The Culture War - Tim Pool - Trump ENTERING Iran WAR Will END MAGA Base, Dems WIN If GOP SPLITS Over War ft. Batya Ungar-Sargon

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00:01:55.400 We have this story from Newsweek.

00:01:57.920 Trump's most favorable pollster warns it could all be over for MAGA.

00:02:03.780 The Guardian says Republican hawks versus MAGA isolationists,

00:02:07.680 the internal war that could decide Trump's Iran response.

00:02:11.940 According to Newsweek,

00:02:14.060 President Trump's most favorable pollster has warned it could be all over for MAGA.

00:02:17.320 If the president gets the U.S. more deeply involved in the conflict between Iran and Israel.

00:02:23.000 Kiss the Republican majority goodbye for the next decade.

00:02:27.040 Rich Barris, the director of Big Data Poll, wrote an X.

00:02:30.360 If he pulls the trigger, it's all over for MAGA.

00:02:34.560 Newsweek reached out to Barris for further comment.

00:02:37.100 Big Data Poll has given Trump the highest approval rating of plus 19 of any pollster

00:02:41.300 in his second term so far.

00:02:42.960 It is one of just two pollsters that are yet to record a negative approval rating,

00:02:48.860 although its most recent survey recorded a major drop-off, giving Trump a rating of just plus one.

00:02:54.040 A recent poll by the Reagan Institute conducted before Israel launched its surprise attack

00:02:57.820 on Iran's military and nuclear program on Friday

00:03:00.040 shows that a majority of Republicans support Israeli airstrikes on Iran's nuclear facilities.

00:03:05.660 However, polling has shown also that Republican voters are worried about the U.S. being drawn

00:03:10.160 into a military conflict in the Middle East.

00:03:13.100 Now, my friends, Batya Unger-Sargon views herself as a MAGA lefty. 0.86

00:03:19.220 And I'm curious to see how she sees all of this and have a conversation with her.

00:03:22.920 So let's bring her in. 1.00

00:03:24.620 We will grab this interview, pulling up the site right now.

00:03:29.180 I believe it is loading up.

00:03:31.860 Usually takes about a second.

00:03:34.040 And Batya, can you hear me?

00:03:35.900 Yes, I can hear you.

00:03:36.720 Hi, Tim.

00:03:37.360 Hey, how's it going?

00:03:38.920 Thank God.

00:03:39.400 How are you?

00:03:40.140 I am.

00:03:40.660 I am great.

00:03:41.340 Thanks for joining me.

00:03:41.940 Can you just briefly introduce yourself for those that are not familiar with you?

00:03:46.320 My name is Batya Unger-Sargon.

00:03:48.080 I am a journalist and author.

00:03:49.740 I've written two books, one on how the media got woke, one on who is the American working class

00:03:54.360 and do they still have access to the American dream?

00:03:56.160 I'm a columnist at the Free Press.

00:03:57.540 I'm a contributor at Newsmax.

00:03:59.280 I have a group chat show on Two Way.

00:04:02.160 And I am, for the purposes of this appearance, probably most importantly, a huge, huge, huge

00:04:08.060 fan of Tim Pool.

00:04:09.680 Oh.

00:04:10.300 I so admire you.

00:04:11.120 He's trying to butter me up, so I go easy on you.

00:04:13.800 Your independence of thought and your refusal to be told what to think and your moral clarity.

00:04:20.120 I just admire you so much.

00:04:22.160 So it's a big honor for me.

00:04:23.580 So now I'm going to go easy on you for the interview, I guess.

00:04:25.860 No, I'm kidding.

00:04:26.240 But I do appreciate it.

00:04:27.540 Um, there's, there's a, there's a statement out, Rich Barris, Newzik wrote about this saying

00:04:32.280 that if Trump enters the war in Iran, it will be the end of MAGA and the Republican majority

00:04:38.540 for 10 years.

00:04:39.740 I'm curious what you think about this ongoing rift between it's, I mean, the MAGA coalition

00:04:44.600 is split right now.

00:04:46.020 Trump supporters are divided.

00:04:47.780 Do you agree with what Barris was saying?

00:04:50.220 So no, and I'm sort of a skeptic of the narrative that there's a real split in the MAGA movement.

00:04:56.160 I think there's a split in the like influencers of the MAGA movement, but the actual MAGA voters,

00:05:03.020 the actual base is quite united around the position that President Trump has staked out.

00:05:08.960 So yes, in the influencers, you have people like Mark Levin, who is like extremely pro-Israel

00:05:15.060 and wants us to go full hog and bomb Iran. 0.85

00:05:18.640 And then you have the Tucker Carlson's who are pretty anti-Israel and think that we should

00:05:23.520 be doing nothing here, including not even supporting Israel defensively.

00:05:27.440 And we should be dropping Israel, as he put it.

00:05:30.040 So you have this like among the influencers, this dichotomy of pro-Israel, America first,

00:05:36.580 anti-intervention.

00:05:37.780 I mean, anti-Israel, anti-intervention, America first, and then pro-Israel, massive intervention, 0.75

00:05:43.180 return to regime change, let's say.

00:05:45.640 OK, but neither of these positions is the position that the president has staked out.

00:05:50.400 What the president is doing is he's very pro-Israel, but he's very anti-war.

00:05:55.000 And so he has defended Israel, helped Israel in its defensive capacities. 0.53

00:06:00.900 But from his point of view, it's very clear that he is trying to still negotiate that deal.

00:06:07.020 He believes 100 percent Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon on behalf of America.

00:06:11.680 That's the America first position. 0.89

00:06:13.660 That's not on Israel's behalf.

00:06:15.060 That's on our behalf as American citizens.

00:06:17.020 But from his point of view, he's using Bibi and Israel's military supremacy to try to force 0.80

00:06:24.180 Iran to the table to sign a deal, a peace deal in which they would commit to that.

00:06:28.720 So if you have the pro-Israel, pro-intervention on the one side and the anti-Israel, anti-intervention

00:06:35.120 on the other side, what the president has done is this kind of pro-Israel, anti-war lane.

00:06:40.240 And I believe, both based on polling and based on just like the massive interviews I did for

00:06:45.100 my second book, that the vast majority of MAGA voters are there.

00:06:49.440 They are very pro-Israel and they're very anti-war.

00:06:52.540 So they're like, you have to make the case to me that this is in my interest before we're

00:06:56.360 going to actually aggressively attack.

00:06:58.520 I completely agree on the surface.

00:07:01.560 I think Trump has basically made this our position.

00:07:05.360 But I think most I think for for the people who, you know, I was I've always been anti-war.

00:07:11.560 What that means is the way to describe it is I I'm not some staunch libertarian, never get

00:07:16.800 involved for any reason ever.

00:07:17.960 It's that the threshold of proof and justification must be very, very high or it is very, very

00:07:23.720 high.

00:07:24.180 And I don't think it's currently met.

00:07:26.820 And while I agree, Trump has like right now, the public surface level position that we're

00:07:33.200 looking at with J.D. Vance's statement and Donald Trump's assessment is we are not involved

00:07:40.240 in this.

00:07:40.500 It's going to be defensive.

00:07:41.180 The Trump administration has stated we are we are asserting a defensive position.

00:07:46.820 I think the fear that most people have, you know, Bannon, Posobiec, even people like me

00:07:51.700 is that.

00:07:53.400 We're going to get drawn into this.

00:07:55.580 Trump may be saying now we don't want to be involved in a war with Iran and we're not

00:07:58.780 going to.

00:07:59.200 But what happens when Iranian forces or someone trying to instigate the war, be it deep state

00:08:05.700 or even U.S. standard intelligence assets, false flag, or we get legitimately attacked

00:08:11.800 in, say, the Strait of Hormuz.

00:08:13.740 It feels like we are we are we are the dominoes are falling over and we're going to be involved

00:08:17.540 no matter what.

00:08:19.300 So I also like you, you know, I had my time on the left and I also am very anti war.

00:08:25.980 I came up under the regime of these false neoconservative like quagmires in the Middle East.

00:08:31.940 I'm with you.

00:08:33.580 First of all, I think the Iranians are being extremely careful not to touch our soldiers, 1.00

00:08:38.680 which is very wise of them.

00:08:40.780 So they are working really hard to meet that bar that the president has set for them.

00:08:45.840 Second of all, you know, I think things are possibly changing.

00:08:50.900 We may end up attacking only because Israel's success was so overwhelming. 0.99

00:08:56.440 I mean, to control the airspace, the skies over Iran in five days.

00:09:01.300 I guarantee you, the Israelis are as surprised as everybody else that it was so easy. 0.54

00:09:06.700 I think the president might see this as an opportunity.

00:09:09.160 You know, for our bomber jets to fly over and start dropping bunker busters on Fordow,

00:09:17.180 I'm not sure where I am on that yet.

00:09:19.580 I mean, for now, I'm against that.

00:09:21.520 I'm not sure if I could be convinced of it.

00:09:23.340 But the idea that that would inexorably lead to the kind of regime change that we saw or

00:09:30.180 our level of investment in regime change that we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan, to me, that's

00:09:36.440 a little bit not I don't think that's true.

00:09:39.040 It's like very clear that Trump could pull this off without us being the ones to have to

00:09:44.420 oversee what comes next.

00:09:46.180 Now, I think I'm still with you that I right now my position is they should come to the

00:09:51.140 table.

00:09:51.500 I really hope they come to the table.

00:09:53.020 But I think from the president's point of view, it could be that.

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00:10:45.040 This is too big of an opportunity to pass up.

00:10:55.700 We'll see where it goes.

00:10:56.500 I think that's exactly it.

00:10:59.560 I was looking at last night on TimCast.IRL, we looked at Pew data that shows as of from

00:11:06.860 2022 to 25, the 18 to 49-year-olds in this country have shifted heavily anti-Israel by

00:11:13.960 15 points.

00:11:15.080 In 2022, 18 to 49-year-olds, 35% anti-Israel.

00:11:20.240 Today, it's 50%.

00:11:21.640 I should say Israel critical is probably a better way to say it. 0.61

00:11:24.460 They're critical of U.S. involvement.

00:11:26.780 I think that we're likely going to get involved in this.

00:11:30.440 I think it is going to cause a rift among, at least, let's just say the conservatarian

00:11:34.620 and libertarian portion of Trump's base.

00:11:37.020 I think it's going to rip that from it. 0.76

00:11:40.220 I think the Trump administration is going to be dragged into this because if they wait,

00:11:46.520 10 years from now, support for Israel is going to be so low, there will never be an

00:11:50.760 opportunity for the U.S. to justify any kind of action in Iran ever.

00:11:54.020 And it's been the U.S.'s position, not necessarily the Trump administration, but the U.S., to remove

00:11:59.700 the government of Iran for decades now.

00:12:02.720 So it just seems like an inevitability.

00:12:06.320 The problem then is, I do think there is a simple baseline moral acceptable.

00:12:13.400 The U.S. just wants to secure the trade routes in the region.

00:12:16.740 We don't want to be involved in regime change.

00:12:19.000 The problem is, that's the domino that falls over that eventually sees us in a regime change war.

00:12:26.100 Why?

00:12:26.660 So right now we've got, in the Strait of Hormuz, a tanker is on fire.

00:12:33.760 They say it collided with another vehicle.

00:12:35.700 Now, a lot of people are saying it's not directly tied to the war, but it is likely tied to the war

00:12:40.620 because of the security massive increase that's causing chaos.

00:12:44.940 The Persian Gulf can't be cut off.

00:12:47.000 These are American trade partners.

00:12:48.400 You've got Kuwait, you've got Iran, you've got, well, not necessarily trade partners with Kuwait,

00:12:51.280 but you've got Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the Emirates, Saudi Arabia.

00:12:54.940 They're not going to accept the Persian Gulf getting cut off.

00:12:58.420 So the fear is, the U.S. is going to dispatch security forces to the Strait of Hormuz

00:13:02.920 for the purpose of keeping it open, and then someone's going to get bombed.

00:13:06.960 One of the U.S. assets will get bombed because either some Houthi rebel group,

00:13:11.640 Iranian-backed militia group, or Iran itself will attack to assert some kind of military dominance in the region,

00:13:17.520 or the worst case, conspiratorial scenario is a false flag by someone who wants to instigate that war,

00:13:25.660 and then Trump has no choice.

00:13:27.340 Our aircraft carrier was just blown up by what appears to be Iranian forces.

00:13:31.440 How do we not then retaliate?

00:13:33.440 How do we not then get involved?

00:13:34.680 Oh, I could see us retaliating, but I just don't see why that leads inevitably to regime change.

00:13:41.360 I don't think President Trump is a person who gets dragged into things.

00:13:44.560 In fact, the opposite.

00:13:45.520 I think he really resents that.

00:13:47.060 I think that's what we saw with Zelensky.

00:13:48.800 The moment that meeting turned bad was when Zelensky said to him,

00:13:52.680 look, you guys are going to get dragged into this.

00:13:54.580 And that was when the president really lost it.

00:13:56.780 I agree with you that the Netanyahu government wants regime change, 0.83

00:14:01.300 but if Trump feels that they are dragging him into something he doesn't want to be a part of,

00:14:05.880 that is going to go very poorly for them.

00:14:08.560 I hope so.

00:14:09.840 He literally set the entire global economy on fire because he thought that that would be good for the working class. 1.00

00:14:15.840 This is not a person who can be convinced out of his opinion.

00:14:20.060 So I could see us, yeah, giving the bunker busters.

00:14:22.740 I could see us retaliating.

00:14:24.180 I don't see him getting involved in regime change.

00:14:27.420 He likes the mullahs where they are right now because Khomeini is very weak. 1.00

00:14:32.160 That is exactly where he wants him so he can force him to make that deal.

00:14:37.240 So I and I could just every time Trump tweets or talks or says something,

00:14:41.000 you can see exactly how he is plotting this to get them exactly to where he wants them.

00:14:47.040 So I think he's using the Israelis rather than the other way around.

00:14:51.400 I hope, right?

00:14:54.400 So the report is that Trump told Israel not to strike the Ayatollah.

00:14:59.500 And I think there's several reasons.

00:15:00.740 I think what you just mentioned, it leaves them weak, threatened,

00:15:04.320 and it creates a leadership that fears death.

00:15:07.500 So they're going to say, let's hold back so I live.

00:15:11.340 But I also think the reason is if you were to take out the actual governmental leadership,

00:15:15.820 you end up with an ISIS style Iran of chaos you can't control. 1.00

00:15:19.520 Right now, Trump's going to have a terrified Ayatollah being like, 0.93

00:15:23.940 my government's going to collapse, I'm going to die.

00:15:26.000 Trump's forcing him to the table.

00:15:27.940 I'm hoping that is the case with Israel. 0.99

00:15:31.600 But what I will say to your point about Trump getting dragged into things,

00:15:34.520 it certainly looks that way with what Israel's been doing.

00:15:37.820 You know, Israel's claimed that Trump knew the whole time they were going to do this,

00:15:41.720 despite the fact that Trump was negotiating with Iran.

00:15:44.480 Tucker Carlson stated that he knew Trump was negotiating in good faith with Iran to get them

00:15:50.800 to back down, and then Israel claimed he wasn't.

00:15:54.400 I do think that Israel is trying to manipulate the scenario to force the U.S. to engage in regime 0.90

00:16:00.900 change.

00:16:02.320 I don't see that.

00:16:03.640 I don't see.

00:16:04.420 I think those could both exist at the same time.

00:16:07.320 He was negotiating in real good faith and said to them,

00:16:10.980 you have 60 days to make a deal that I approve of, like, that does not conflict with him telling

00:16:15.860 the Israelis, give me this time to negotiate.

00:16:18.160 I'm not backing you up until I've had my time.

00:16:20.300 So I think Tucker Carlson has been falsely creating this narrative where, like, it's true.

00:16:25.840 Both of those could be true at the same time.

00:16:27.720 Yeah, he had that meeting with Netanyahu in the Oval Office.

00:16:30.900 Netanyahu said to him, I want a bomb.

00:16:32.380 And he said, no, I'm negotiating in good faith right now.

00:16:35.200 I'm giving them 60 days.

00:16:36.720 We'll talk then.

00:16:37.820 They talked then.

00:16:38.700 And then they said, all right, go for it.

00:16:40.520 Let's see what you can get, you know, with the bad cop side of things.

00:16:43.640 So, you know, it seems like here's the thing about Israel.

00:16:46.580 Like, our interests are frequently very aligned with Israel's, but they're not identical.

00:16:51.140 And that's OK for an ally.

00:16:52.580 They're aligned more often than they aren't.

00:16:54.460 And the idea that they are the superpower, that they are controlling the strings is just 0.98

00:16:59.900 so ridiculous.

00:17:01.280 Just look at the history every single time. 0.90

00:17:03.540 You know, they love to say AIPAC is controlling American politics.

00:17:06.360 Every time AIPAC pulled out all the stops to stop some sort of, you know, military deal,

00:17:12.980 selling weapons to this one Iran deal here or there, they lost.

00:17:16.300 Every single time.

00:17:17.920 The president is guided by his moral compass.

00:17:20.820 He has a vision for peace in the Middle East.

00:17:23.540 He wants to be known as the man who brought global peace.

00:17:26.960 I mean, it's obvious that's what he is trying to do.

00:17:29.220 And he sees Iran having a nuclear weapon as being anathema to what he thinks will be the

00:17:34.620 greatest achievement for the American people in our lifetimes.

00:17:38.820 And I think he deserves credit for trying to do that.

00:17:40.960 I agree.

00:17:41.800 The Abraham Accords were huge. 0.94

00:17:43.560 Huge.

00:17:44.360 Normalization of economics between Israel and other Arabic nations.

00:17:48.260 And Trump talked about wanting to end the Israel-Palestine conflict.

00:17:51.800 Not to mention crossing the DMZ into North Korea.

00:17:55.560 I think Trump really, really wants a legacy of the global savior.

00:18:01.500 He wants to be beloved.

00:18:02.500 He wants to go down as this great man.

00:18:04.320 Here's what I hope.

00:18:05.540 You're giving me some optimism on this one.

00:18:07.700 I'm hoping it's Trump's big ask, right? 0.87

00:18:11.160 Right now you got all these MAGA people saying, holy crap, we're going to go regime change. 0.86

00:18:15.740 We're going to go boots on the ground. 0.90

00:18:16.620 I'm hoping that Trump is actually, and this may be wishful thinking, but it's a big ask

00:18:22.740 where he wants Iran to think that, that he's capable of this because he really just wants 0.67

00:18:28.480 them to back down and surrender completely.

00:18:31.460 Like, okay, we're done.

00:18:33.600 And instead of having to, I think this is fair.

00:18:36.380 If any world leader given the option, would you prefer it if your enemy surrendered or you

00:18:40.700 had to go in and waste money and resources?

00:18:43.420 They'd say, I'll take the surrender.

00:18:44.640 So maybe that's what he's doing.

00:18:48.280 I want to believe, I want to believe, but I am, I'm terrified that, you know, John Bolton,

00:18:53.060 I know he's not there now, but he represented a lot of, a lot of the interests of the, the

00:18:59.200 military industrial complex in the deep state.

00:19:01.640 He said, we will be celebrating in Tehran.

00:19:04.440 And that was when he was in the first Trump administration.

00:19:07.680 I see why people are nervous, but I think the president deserves a little more credit than

00:19:12.860 that.

00:19:13.000 This is a man who hates war.

00:19:15.380 In 2005, I was having lunch with a TV executive recently.

00:19:18.680 He told me that in 2005, Trump would call him on the phone and scream at him, what are

00:19:23.480 we doing in Iraq?

00:19:24.740 This is so wasteful.

00:19:26.300 He hates war.

00:19:28.120 And so I think he deserves a little bit more credit.

00:19:30.280 I understand why like younger people don't understand why a nuclear armed Iran is a threat 0.99

00:19:34.940 to us as Americans, but it really actually is.

00:19:37.960 And that's not because I want to see regime change.

00:19:40.080 I just think it's a false narrative that if we do give them bunker busters and we do

00:19:46.300 eliminate Fordow, therefore we will be overseeing regime change.

00:19:51.020 I think that there's a lot of steps in between there.

00:19:53.280 And the idea that Trump is going to go the route of the Boltons, he's not actually giving

00:19:57.740 Mark Levin what Mark Levin wants.

00:19:59.460 That is the thing to, I think, to keep in mind.

00:20:01.720 Like, you know, Tucker wants you to think that Mark Levin got his way.

00:20:07.060 And so does Mark Levin, right?

00:20:08.460 Because it is in both of their interests to make you think that.

00:20:10.800 But that is not the case.

00:20:12.540 He has been walking a fine line.

00:20:15.260 He is really navigating this delicate situation in a brilliant, brilliant way.

00:20:19.980 And I think he deserves a lot of credit for it.

00:20:22.060 Yeah, I want to be hopeful.

00:20:24.980 I do think it's fair to say about a lot of steps between if the U.S. supplies weapons to

00:20:29.920 Israel and they bomb Iran versus if the U.S. bombs Iran or the U.S. gets involved directly 0.65

00:20:34.000 on the ground, I think for, you know, for me, having grown up in the Iraq-Afghan war,

00:20:41.140 you know, coming of age around that time, we tend to view, like people like me and the

00:20:45.180 millennials will view war and foreign policy rather singularly.

00:20:48.980 And it's entirely fair to say maybe Trump is a different guy.

00:20:52.080 And I think so.

00:20:54.040 And just because we had this period in the 2000s where we engaged in these, what I would

00:20:59.440 call fraudulent invasions, doesn't mean every foreign policy action will always be exactly

00:21:05.320 that.

00:21:06.000 Right.

00:21:06.620 And think about how different the Middle East is right now.

00:21:09.240 Trump just got back from this trip where he visited with the Saudis who hate Iran, the

00:21:13.800 Qataris who are Iran's allies, and then the UAE who are Israel's allies, right?

00:21:18.600 Like he has vision into the future.

00:21:22.220 He has an idea of who could be applied to, you know, in the future to take on some of the

00:21:28.300 roles that historically would have been our role as the United States, but now 100% we

00:21:33.780 are not doing.

00:21:35.100 I mean, it's a totally different Middle East. 0.99

00:21:37.120 That said, I think you're right to be nervous about it.

00:21:39.760 I'm also nervous about it.

00:21:41.240 I'm not really on board with the U.S. getting involved offensively.

00:21:45.780 But even if they do, I think we should give the president a little bit of credit.

00:21:49.080 I think so.

00:21:49.660 So Polly Market has it at 69% that the U.S. will militaristically intervene.

00:21:57.220 I think it was...

00:21:59.260 By the way, I saw that drop to about 50% by this morning.

00:22:02.540 So last night it was at almost 70%.

00:22:04.540 No, no, hold on.

00:22:04.900 It's back at 50%.

00:22:05.880 69%.

00:22:06.700 There's two bets.

00:22:08.260 Oh.

00:22:08.740 And by beginning of July and beginning of August.

00:22:11.420 By the end of July, it's at 69% right now.

00:22:15.340 It may have changed in the past 10 minutes or so.

00:22:17.500 And then by the end of June, it's at 56%.

00:22:20.600 It may have gone down.

00:22:21.240 So the betting markets, oof, man.

00:22:25.880 But I do think it's fair to say there's a bunch of steps in between.

00:22:28.820 I'm curious your thoughts on this sentimental shift we've seen among Americans toward Israel.

00:22:35.500 It's gone rather negative.

00:22:38.120 Honestly, I don't think that that's about being like pro-Israel or anti-Israel.

00:22:41.980 The American people are very, very philo-Semitic.

00:22:44.380 They're very protective of their Jewish neighbors.

00:22:46.560 So American Jews are like, they don't realize this because most of them are Democrats, which is very sad, although it's changing, thank God. 1.00

00:22:53.700 But like the American people are the most philo-Semitic people on the planet.

00:22:57.100 They're just like the American working class. 1.00

00:22:58.860 Like they're just very attached to a lot of them are Christians.

00:23:01.880 And there's now when it comes to Israel, it's a little more complicated because Israel is a sovereign nation.

00:23:07.560 When I see those polls, I think what young people are saying is, look, we don't want to be paying for it.

00:23:12.120 I don't think they're saying like, we don't like Israel.

00:23:13.860 We don't recognize that it's a strategic interest in the region.

00:23:16.320 And I think they're saying something very fair, which is like, Israel is a very rich country.

00:23:20.480 Every Israeli has universal health care.

00:23:22.540 Like, why are we paying for their weapons?

00:23:24.460 And I think that's a completely fair position, one I sometimes lean towards.

00:23:28.360 I think the Israelis are now having a real conversation about like, maybe we've paid a cost for like being a client state of the United States when we can afford our own weapons.

00:23:36.660 So I think that's going to start to shift as well.

00:23:39.080 And I think it should.

00:23:39.900 They are a very rich country.

00:23:41.080 But there is also on the left, the staunchly anti-Israel.

00:23:44.960 Yes, on the left.

00:23:46.040 Yeah.

00:23:46.240 I mean, that's that's massive.

00:23:47.880 And that's spreading at universities.

00:23:50.340 You know, Trump is cracking down on a lot of these student visas.

00:23:54.640 I'm curious.

00:23:56.540 Yeah.

00:23:56.960 What you think about this?

00:23:58.140 It exists on the right to a certain degree.

00:23:59.580 But on the left, it's dominant.

00:24:01.520 Yeah, definitely.

00:24:02.420 Yeah.

00:24:02.640 I mean, but that's been a constant.

00:24:04.700 I mean, you know, in the 70s, you think leftists on college campuses like Israel.

00:24:08.280 They didn't, you know, like it's that's a total constant.

00:24:10.860 I to me, like the problem with the universities, it's really not the anti-Semitism, which is obviously there.

00:24:16.080 It's like the fact that they manufacture contempt for the working class. 0.99

00:24:19.800 Like, that's what I really fucking hate about it is like people graduate from there with a surefire path to, you know, the American dream. 0.81

00:24:27.360 And they come out having been educated to think that like people who work for a living with their hands are somehow lesser than I fucking hate that so much more than the anti-Semitism, which I think is a sideshow. 0.81

00:24:38.380 Well, it's going to be funny when AI takes all those jobs away.

00:24:41.320 All the all the white collar, all the academic jobs are gone. 0.98

00:24:44.040 And the only jobs left are we need someone who can lift stuff.

00:24:46.620 Right.

00:24:47.160 Totally.

00:24:47.840 Yeah.

00:24:48.580 Yeah.

00:24:49.280 You saw that video of the the protester where the black woman's trying to get to work and the white guy's like, oh, no, not work.

00:24:58.860 Yeah. 0.99

00:24:59.940 That guy hates Israel.

00:25:01.460 I guarantee it.

00:25:02.240 But that's like the least bad thing about him.

00:25:04.640 Right.

00:25:04.900 Right.

00:25:05.080 Right.

00:25:05.280 I agree.

00:25:05.580 Well, I'm curious if you have any final thoughts on all the stuff, anything we didn't we didn't address or, you know, just keep doing what you're doing, Tim.

00:25:12.920 Thank you for everything.

00:25:14.120 Oh, well, I appreciate it.

00:25:14.940 And we're going to have you here.

00:25:16.020 I think like what next week.

00:25:16.880 Right.

00:25:17.100 For IRL.

00:25:17.780 Yeah.

00:25:18.020 It's going to be awesome.

00:25:19.040 Well, where can people find you?

00:25:19.960 I'm on Twitter at Bunger Sargon or refuse to call it X.

00:25:24.800 I'm also on Instagram at Batia US.

00:25:27.640 And yeah, you can find me on Tim IRL next week on Tuesday night.

00:25:32.140 Yeah, it's going to be awesome.

00:25:33.060 Well, I really do appreciate you.

00:25:34.100 You hanging out and giving us your insights so much.

00:25:36.600 And we'll we'll see you next week.

00:25:37.940 See you soon.

00:25:38.400 God bless.

00:25:39.020 Take care.

00:25:39.400 All right.

00:25:42.300 That was let me see if I get this right.

00:25:45.540 There we go.

00:25:46.900 Batia Unger Sargon. 0.99

00:25:48.860 And interesting, giving me a little bit of optimism, I guess.

00:25:53.780 Little optimism.

00:25:55.720 I am admittedly probably so jaded.

00:25:58.840 I'm just staring at all of this.

00:26:00.460 The poly market numbers.

00:26:01.640 I'm like the US is going to bomb Iran. 0.99

00:26:03.560 And the next thing we know, there's going to be one circumstance after another where we have no choice but to get involved.

00:26:09.860 We're going to have security forces in the region.

00:26:11.880 Our men and women in uniform are going to get bombed by some Iranian-backed group. 1.00

00:26:15.120 Trump's going to say we will not tolerate a single death.

00:26:17.720 He doesn't want the legacy of Joe Biden.

00:26:19.700 I hope and I beg and I pray that is not the case.

00:26:24.920 So maybe.

00:26:26.580 Maybe.

00:26:27.580 So I will say this.

00:26:29.200 Fair point to Batia. 0.98

00:26:30.360 And I think Trump does deserve a bit of benefit of the doubt.

00:26:36.300 I really do think so.

00:26:37.960 He's trying really hard to maintain a promising legacy.

00:26:41.500 He's changed his position many times when his base has lobbied him on social media.

00:26:48.720 Trump isn't the guy who just listens to big business.

00:26:53.140 You know, we had that moment where Trump came out and said, you know, we got to protect the farmers.

00:26:56.900 A lot of these farms, they got illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:26:59.380 You know that they're good people.

00:27:00.540 They work here for 20 years.

00:27:01.620 They're not committing any crimes.

00:27:02.520 And everybody got mad.

00:27:04.840 The base said, no, we are not going to give special privileges to big business.

00:27:10.560 Small farms don't have that privilege.

00:27:12.140 Well, guess what?

00:27:12.600 Trump backtracked.

00:27:13.940 He said, we're not going to do it.

00:27:16.400 No exemptions.

00:27:17.580 No exceptions.

00:27:18.840 We're going to start deporting.

00:27:20.020 I think it's fair to say that Trump is very, very concerned.

00:27:23.380 And I'll tell you this, too.

00:27:24.860 I was shocked to see that Trump had called Tucker Carlson kooky.

00:27:29.800 Because I can tell you this.

00:27:31.340 Those guys are friends.

00:27:33.740 And I'm pretty dang sure Tucker can just call the president on the phone and say, Mr. President.

00:27:41.120 In fact, there are numerous stories about how Tucker met with Trump and has given him advice on numerous occasions.

00:27:48.400 I really do think that Trump takes it to heart when he hears Tucker Carlson put out a statement.

00:27:55.120 Because Trump knows Tucker.

00:27:56.940 He knows Tucker's got a powerful position.

00:27:59.900 And he's influential, whether he wants to say it or not.

00:28:02.080 Trump said, maybe you can get a television deal and then people will listen.

00:28:05.220 Yeah, he's getting millions on every show he does per night.

00:28:08.040 It's one of the top podcasts in the world right now.

00:28:10.160 Now, Tucker did not lose influence because he's not on cable TV anymore.

00:28:14.580 The people who follow him still do.

00:28:16.580 Granted, he's probably not getting the same thing that he actually might be getting more.

00:28:20.640 His influence among the older generation probably went down because 70-plus-year-olds are watching Fox News.

00:28:26.820 And he was getting like $5 million per night.

00:28:28.740 Crazy.

00:28:29.740 But in the key demo, I think Tucker's still doing really well.

00:28:33.340 So I'm hoping that as long as we all maintain that pressure.

00:28:37.160 And again, I'm going to stress this.

00:28:38.380 I'm not, you know, I consider myself anti-intervention, anti-war.

00:28:43.480 But I'm not going to, you don't see me doing this.

00:28:45.860 I don't go on X and scream, you know, anti, like, I'm not one of these staunch, hardcore dudes.

00:28:52.960 That's why people call me a milquetoast fence hitter.

00:28:54.940 Obviously, I have opinions.

00:28:56.600 They just want me to be a revolutionary.

00:28:58.780 I am not.

00:28:59.320 I am a reformer.

00:29:00.060 This means that I try to move the needle as much as I can without breaking it off.

00:29:06.360 And there were a lot of people that their whole view is no, never, not ever on so many issues.

00:29:12.320 And my attitude is what can we accomplish today?

00:29:15.720 That's why I voted for Trump, despite the fact that I don't view him as a perfect avatar of everything I believe in.

00:29:21.400 And when people say, well, I'm not going to vote for him because he's not the candidate I wanted.

00:29:26.220 I wanted somebody else.

00:29:27.080 I say, OK, but does he get you a lot of things that are good?

00:29:30.140 Yeah, but I don't want to support the two-party system.

00:29:32.400 OK, well, listen, the two-party system has primaries.

00:29:35.680 The Democrat primary is busted and they have coronations.

00:29:38.800 They don't have elections.

00:29:39.880 But on the Republican side, Trump shows you actually can get your guy to win, even if he's somewhat libertarian or otherwise.

00:29:45.340 If you guys do the groundwork, it is possible.

00:29:48.900 The primary is the process by which the candidates rise up.

00:29:51.920 I don't care if it's just two people at the end of the day.

00:29:55.200 We had a whole primary season and the people who made it made it.

00:29:58.760 And Trump broke through that system.

00:30:00.880 So I want to take what I can get.

00:30:04.700 And that means Trump may be doing things that I don't like.

00:30:07.780 But I'm not going to sit here and be like, throw the baby out with the bathwater.

00:30:10.560 I'm going to say, well, Trump got rid of DEI and contracting.

00:30:13.380 Trump's pushing back against DEI in schools and public works.

00:30:17.860 Donald Trump is working on tax cut things that I like.

00:30:21.040 The Doge cuts were fantastic.

00:30:22.880 They've codified some of them halfway.

00:30:24.620 So I think the House voted on them.

00:30:26.440 Doge was great in gutting USAID.

00:30:28.880 We got so many wins.

00:30:30.280 It's been exceptional.

00:30:31.700 Now Trump may get us entrenched in Iran.

00:30:34.220 Bad thing.

00:30:35.240 We keep up the pressure.

00:30:36.660 We express ourselves.

00:30:37.640 And we say, Mr. President, we deeply care about this issue.

00:30:40.700 We do not want regime change.

00:30:44.080 Now, I talked to Sebastian Gorka a month or two ago at this point, and he said, we are

00:30:50.180 not going to have these long quagmire regime change wars, but we will strike targets.

00:30:56.100 And I think that's a compromise.

00:30:58.580 Look, a lot of people are going to say, Tim, no, no, no world police, no military strikes.

00:31:03.040 Listen, if the U.S. has assets in a region and we have treaties and we simply say, if

00:31:08.760 you hit us, we hit you back.

00:31:10.320 I kind of shrug and say, you know, look, I don't escalation can occur, but I certainly

00:31:15.300 see that as a compromise.

00:31:16.680 If you come to me and say, we're going to put boots on the ground in a foreign country 1.00

00:31:20.340 and pull out their government, be there for 20 years.

00:31:22.180 I say, no, no way.

00:31:25.180 It's a waste of our money.

00:31:27.080 It hurts the, it's damaging to the brave men and women in uniform and to the younger

00:31:35.260 generation that's supposed to be inspired by what it means to protect America.

00:31:37.820 I think there's so much wrong with it.

00:31:38.620 A waste of money is the biggest thing.

00:31:40.340 The funneling of money in directions that I think it's ultimately bad for this country,

00:31:44.640 neglecting our southern border, neglecting our own culture, the people of this country,

00:31:49.140 our birth rates collapsing, our economy, our infrastructure, the plumbing, the roads, the

00:31:54.240 bridges.

00:31:54.840 No, no, no, no, no.

00:31:56.820 If you come and say, we got people bombing trade routes, so we're going to surgically 0.97

00:32:01.340 strike them with drones. 0.94

00:32:02.620 Everybody gets mad.

00:32:03.440 They say, Donald Trump increased the drone strikes by 432%. 0.99

00:32:06.580 I say, shut up. 0.98

00:32:07.900 Like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's this all or nothing, zero sum game BS. 0.99

00:32:12.460 Donald Trump upped the drone strikes.

00:32:14.600 Yeah, I don't like it.

00:32:15.560 But the reason he did was because he was pulling personnel back.

00:32:18.580 As US personnel came back, he wanted to maintain security in the region with a minimal play.

00:32:25.180 So drone strikes went up, but US personnel on the ground were coming back out.

00:32:30.360 You'd have to do something like this.

00:32:33.120 I think that's the play.

00:32:34.820 I don't think it's perfect, but I got my fingers crossed that Trump's going to be the

00:32:38.880 guy.

00:32:39.620 I certainly hope so.

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00:32:49.960 Let me, uh, I believe it's a Russell Brand.

00:32:52.340 Sometimes, sometimes it changes, but you know, it's usually, it's usually Russell.

00:32:56.300 We got Russell Brand coming up in just about a minute, who is going to be live talking about

00:33:01.860 MAGA divided.

00:33:04.520 Trump turns on Tucker as MAGA is split over the US war with Iran.

00:33:09.800 I think Batsha makes an interesting point.

00:33:12.020 She says, we're not.

00:33:13.000 It's the, it's the punditry class.

00:33:16.720 I actually kind of agree with her.

00:33:18.120 I do.

00:33:18.480 I do.

00:33:18.900 But let me caveat that.

00:33:21.220 The influential people in the pro-Trump space can change and shape opinions.

00:33:27.760 If we're talking about right now, a simple idea, Trump wants limited military engagement

00:33:34.000 with Iran, limited and no direct involvement.

00:33:36.600 I actually think you'll find a majority of Americans are probably in favor of that.

00:33:40.800 If the issue is intervention, that's where the real divide is.

00:33:44.840 So it's not that Tucker is wrong or that Mark Levin is wrong.

00:33:49.220 Now, hold on.

00:33:50.540 What I'm saying is, uh, about what they, they expect to happen, not what they want.

00:33:55.160 I certainly disagree with Mark Levin and more, more so agree with Tucker.

00:33:58.480 My point is, what Trump is doing may not reflect what either of these personalities actually

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - June 17, 2025

Trump ENTERING Iran WAR Will END MAGA Base, Dems WIN If GOP SPLITS Over War ft. Batya Ungar-Sargon

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