Trump NUKES His Own Base Over Epstein DESPITE Agenda VICTORY ft. Viva Frei
Summary
On today's show, we have a special guest on the show, John Oelichman. John is a 20-year veteran of the financial media and has been in the business for a long time. He's been covering the stock market for a number of years and is a regular contributor to the Wall Street Journal. In this episode, we talk about the Epstein scandal, the Democratic Strategists' call for a Democratic Depression, and how to deal with a president who doesn't want our support anymore.
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Well, back it up to the beginning where it's not a false dichotomy of if you're criticizing Trump,
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it means you're going to vote for the Democrats. But what it does mean, and I had on the pollster,
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as far as I'm concerned, one of the only reliable pollsters out there, Richard Barris,
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big data polling, talking about the fact that like, okay, you're just going to make them become
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inactive voters, and they're not going to turn out at the midterms, and low turnout doesn't favor
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Republicans. The Post Millennial reports, Democrat strategist says parties should pray long and hard
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for an effing depression. Yo, what? A Minnesota accused assassin wrote an unhinged confession to
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Kash Patel claiming Waltz urged him to murder. These Democrat lawmakers say what? The nation,
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Trump is the Confederacy's revenge. Well, right now, we have a lot of people talking about Trump's
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failings and his attack on his base over the Epstein case. I think it's important to realize
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the left is not any less unhinged. In fact, I'd argue they're still substantially more unhinged.
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But how do those of us who have backed Trump contend with him saying, do not support us?
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It's interesting because Democrats are latching onto this story on Epstein.
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They're using it as an attack vector on Trump. Now, I've laid out my position. It's very clear.
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I'm going to support Trump and his efforts that I think benefit us, and I will criticize him in
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efforts that I think are detrimental, as anyone should. And that means the Epstein thing is
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miserably bad for him, and he needs to be called out on it. I'm also kind of happy that he's got these
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victories, and I'm happy we dodged the Democrats. They're crackpots. But Viva Fry made a great point.
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I'm going to bring him in. We've been having some weird browser update issues, so I'm going to try
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and correct the audio. Here we go. One, two. Okay. There we go. I believe we solved the echo issue,
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the browsers initializing poorly. Viva, can you hear me? I can hear you. How you doing?
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How's it going, buddy? Let me pull in the camera and get you on. So right now, we're dealing with
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Donald Trump saying he doesn't want our support anymore. But I wanted to highlight,
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for the beginning of this interview and segment, conversation, the Democrats are still crazy,
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strategists calling for a depression, this crazy guy who claimed Tim Walz was telling him to shoot
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people up, these several past mass shooters being of left persuasion. Democrats being right on the
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Epstein issue, I don't think should put us in a position where we're going to sacrifice the
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victories of the Trump administration and start supporting the psychotic behaviors of the left.
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But there is still a conundrum in Trump telling this morning all his past supporters,
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we don't want to support you anymore. You had a really great post on this that I'd highlighted
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where you'd mentioned, why are we going to trust the Democrats' previous administration on this?
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But I'm curious your thoughts on why Trump is doing this, what's going on, and what we should
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be doing. Back it up to the beginning where it's not a false dichotomy of if you're criticizing
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Trump, it means you're going to vote for the Democrats. But what it does mean, and I had on
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the pollster, as far as I'm concerned, one of the only reliable pollsters out there, Richard Barris,
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big data polling, talking about the fact that like, okay, you're just going to make them become
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inactive voters, and they're not going to turn out at the midterms, and low turnout doesn't favor
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Republicans. So on the one hand, shaming your most ardent supporters for following a theory that you
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yourself proposed, it might not get them to vote Democrat, because you'd have to have a hole in
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your head to vote for the Democrats, but you'll just stay home. And so, and you can't poo on your
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own supporters and deter them from wanting to get out there and vote by calling them stupid and mean
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bad people for following through on the very same story that not only Trump himself brought up,
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but his administration had been pursuing doggedly for six months. So where we start from the beginning
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here, my post where I said, the files potentially corrupt. That's what I said when the line coming
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out of the White House was Epstein killed himself, there is no blackmail material, and there is no
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client list. And I'm like, okay, good. That's the finding based on the FBI file, the very same criminal
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weaponized FBI DOJ that you're now investigating for criminality. How do you rely on it from the
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beginning? And I'm told, well, you know, that's the file. We've seen it, rely on it. Now they've pivoted
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and moved the goalposts to the file is corrupt and cannot be relied on. But they were telling us
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three months ago to rely on this file because it says he killed himself. You may not believe it.
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Here's the video, yada, yada. Wow. And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's actual gaslighting. Like Trump
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coming out and saying, I don't know why you guys find this story so important. You brought it up and
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not like you brought it up. So therefore we were entitled to be fooled. You brought it up because it
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was a big story. We don't believe it because we want to, we believe it because there is absolutely a
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conspiracy there. Otherwise, Ghislaine Maxwell is not serving 25 years for human trafficking.
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Otherwise Epstein, you know, doesn't get re-indicted in 2019. So Trump brought it up
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to the limelight, not made something out of nothing, brought it to the limelight. Bongino and I, and I,
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I didn't, I don't agree with Bongino when he was saying what I believed. I believe what he believed.
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And I believe he believed what he said for the last several years. It's a big story. You don't know how
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deep it goes. Follow up on it. Never let it go. I believe Bond Patel when he was on
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Benny Johnson saying, you know, Epstein, not Epstein, what's his face? Bill Gates is on the
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list. We know that Epstein blackmailed Bill Gates over his relationship with that woman that he was
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cheating on with his wife. We know that he's blackmailed people before. And now we have Trump
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saying, if you push this, it's a conspiracy theory. I no longer want your support. When two of the most
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vocal truth seekers are the director and deputy director of his FBI. And I look at this like,
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how would I feel if I'm Bongino or Patel? How would I feel if I'm Don Jr.? And, you know,
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I'm on record saying release the list. Everyone is on record saying release list because everybody
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knows colloquially speaking, there's a list of something there. There's unindicted co-conspirators.
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There are people that were involved in this. And now we're being told not only that it's a hoax
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from the Democrats can't rely on the file that they were telling us to rely on two months ago
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as their messaging. And now we're being called bad people, conspiracy theories, and he no longer wants
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our support. It's I don't know what the hell is going on because I'm trying to look for the happy
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ending to this. You know, like Trump in two months says, sorry, guys, I had to lie to you because we
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were doing some wildly, you know, double fakie, deep investigation. And I hope you forgive me.
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That's not going to happen. And even if that happens, there are going to be people who say
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you cannot lie. You could have just said nothing. But I'm trying to make sense of these posts.
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It's it's it's madness. I don't know how to make sense of it. I don't understand what their play
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is. Trump repeatedly just blasting off on this issue is only making the issue more prominent.
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He's pouring gas in the fire. Trump is a PR master. I know he knows this PR 101 is let it go.
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I feel the story before I was hanging out at Vice when I worked at Vice. One of their one of their
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personalities on HBO went on a podcast and described raping a woman and it caused a huge backlash for
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the company. And so I'm sitting down and I said, guys, this dude has gone on a show. I think you
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sever him from your brand because he's he's one of your hosts. And they were like, well, we're going
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to do literal nothing. And guess what? It worked. They decided we will say nothing. We will do nothing.
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We will let people talk about it. A week later, they'll forget. Trump knows this. So why is he or
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anybody else constantly going on TV and making this the issue? It would be. Well, the reality is
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they made it the issue when they released that undated, unsigned memo, but to Axios.
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So some people want to always play the 4D, 7D, 800D level chess. Say he knows that he knows what
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the Streisand effect is, you would think. Another reality is he might just be getting bad feedback
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from the wrong people, or I should say wrong feedback from bad people. He might just be getting
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bad feedback. He might be sufficiently isolated from the people who put him in power at this point
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that he's just getting bad advice. And everyone around him is a yes man saying, yes, Donald Trump,
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what you're doing is great. They'll fall in line eventually, Donald, Mr. Trump, President Trump,
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keep saying it, and they'll fall in line. They'll take the orders. That could be one thing. The other
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thing, maybe, you know, he comes out and says, it's a hoax. It's a hoax. It's a hoax. Everyone jumps
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down his throat two months from now. Oh, I guess it wasn't a hoax. And X, Y, and Z are on the list.
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But the bottom line is, most importantly, the way that it's become almost abusive to the most
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ardent supporters of his, as if to say, now that I've gotten elected, now that some of you have
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lost friends over your support of me, you've lost jobs, some of you've been jailed over your
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support of me, now I don't want you support, I don't want your support anymore, because you're
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repeating a story that I myself brought to your attention, that my members, key members of my
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administration have been pushing for years, and rightly so, I say. So, like, I've had a number of
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theories. Is this sabotage, like the deep state, it's going to take Trump down with the Epstein file,
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and this is how they're going to do it? Are they sabotaging members of his administration
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to make the FBI look at odds with Trump's position now? I mean, and even if the argument is going to
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be, well, Patel and Bongino have fallen into line, they're no longer repeating the theories that
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they've been espousing for years, so they've fallen into line. Congrats. What do you think the
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Democrats are going to do? You don't have to be a scoundrel to think like one. Democrats are going to
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say, great, your deputy director of the FBI and your director of the FBI have been pushing these
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hoax conspiracy theories for years. How can we have any faith in the FBI right now?
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Yep. I mean, it's like it's an abject PR disaster. It's an administrative disaster. I have no idea what
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the heck is going on, but and for those who say, you know, Trump takes the truth to get a feel for
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the room and see the responses, we're fast approaching the point of having said things
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that cannot be taken back. Oh, this is the event horizon saying my past supporters saying,
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I don't want your support saying this will forever be called the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
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That is that is that is a nuclear bomb on the issue that I think we're already past the point
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of taking it back. I'm trying to be charitable and forgiving. And Tim, I say it. I've got the
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I got the shoes up there. I say this as someone who is there. No, you got the gold ones. They were
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out when I only got the red and white. So, you know, I got two pairs for the price of one gold.
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Um, it's like in a fight, you know, if you're fighting with your wife, you can't say, you know,
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you're fat and ugly and then expect everyone to go back to being lovey, lovey the next day.
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I'm trying to be charitable and hope that we're not past the event horizon. But
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like they say, when you when you reach the event horizon of a black hole,
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you don't even know that you've fallen into it. And maybe we're already there.
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But I want to stress, you know, one of the things I was just highlighting a moment ago was
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the immigration raids have been on point, a major victory. The the doge cuts just pushed through
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nine billion. Fantastic. USAID, NPR, PBS budget slashed, obliterated the firings at all these
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departments. The wholesale inflation was flat for June. Not the trip, not a tremendous,
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tremendous victory, but still good considering the tariffs. Trump has got so many victors under his
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belt. I don't understand why he would want to burn himself down over this.
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But but I will stress as an aside, two points. I don't want to sacrifice these tremendous
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victories over a single story, albeit a very important one. You know, so I want to keep the
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pressure on and say this story will always matter and we're always going to demand it and we're not
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going to settle for less. But I want Trump to win the midterms. I want the Republicans to still win
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the midterms. What what what is this play? It's just risking everything. I will. Some people say
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to risk everything. And yes, those are big W's. He's had recent court victories. If on immigration
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alone, it's a smashing success on the you know, some would say for him to stake everything on this
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particular issue, there must be some bad names in that list that are so damn would be so damn
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destabilizing that for the greater national security, it must be kept private. But even if that
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were the explanation and he were to sit down and say, look, it has nothing to do with child
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trafficking or blackmail or extortion. You know, Mike Benz was on with Charlie Kirk yesterday
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talking about the angle of Epstein being, you know, a handler, money launderer or whatever arms
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dealer. If it were only from that perspective to say it's a national security issue and we cannot
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disclose it, that well, it might be too late for that now, but that would have satisfied people.
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People say, OK, I understand that confirms everything I already thought about Epstein.
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It's a national security issue. We can't, you know, risk World War Three if foreign nations realize what,
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you know, other nations might have been doing for the purposes of political, you know,
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geopolitical strategy. But like at this point in time, some people think it's already going to
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have had a decisive impact on the midterms. And people don't seem to say, OK, fine, so you lose
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a few seats. No, if Trump lose, if Republicans lose the Senate, he gets impeached, he gets convicted,
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he gets removed from office in 2026 or 20 and they'll do it the day after they have control over
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the Senate as it was for the one. Well, it took a tiebreak. They would need, what, like 63 votes
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in the Senate or something. I was it not. I thought I thought it would be so I thought it'd be a
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majority. But but so it's a majority to impeach. But but two thirds, I think, is to convict in the
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Senate. So, OK, I'm going to be wrong. One way, one way that will fact check in time one way or the
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other. They're only dealing with a six or seven seat differential right now. And depending on how
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disastrous this is, I mean, but to stake all of these successes on what all it would have taken
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was a releasing some of the documents be a satisfactory explanation that doesn't consist
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of an undated, unsigned memo leaked to Axios and then no explanation for the better part of a week
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while rumors fly. And then Dan Bongino allegedly claims he's going to leave the it's him or Bondi.
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Then you get Todd Blanche on Friday saying, no, no, we all discussed it and signed off on it.
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Yeah. If nobody signed off on it. So it was 60. It is 67. Sixty seven senators can convict if Trump
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loses, I think, like two seats in the House, he gets impeached. He'll be obstructed every step of
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the way. And considering it's already rough with, you know, like Massey, for instance, always he's
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the new doctor. No, Trump's already in a precarious position. I want him to win. But I'm curious if this
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is where the the what the coalition breaks. Right. So I would say I don't know where you'd fall in
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this, Viva, maybe somewhere similar for someone like me. Obviously, I was like a moderate liberal
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and I'm like, Trump's the guy. All these policies I want. I'm not I'm still voting for Trump. I'm still
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voting likely for. Well, I'm definitely voting Republican in the midterms because Riley Moore is
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my my congressman. He's he's amazing and he's a good friend. Any skateboards.
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But there are a lot of liberals we're seeing now with like Schultz coming out and being like super
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pissed off. Andrew Schultz about Trump not publishing the Epstein files, attacking his
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supporters. Do you think this could break that coalition where the kind of normie middle of the
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road went for Trump in twenty twenty four and now the midterms come around and they're just like,
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I'm out? Well, I mean, not to be doom pilled. I think that's kind of that might have already
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happened with Iran, with the with the debacle in Iran. You lose the people who said no new wars.
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Oh, this one's not a war, except it's a 12 day war. We no new regime change. Oh, it's not regime
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change. Well, there's a truth about regime change and people who didn't want to see any further
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involvement in any capacity who were sold on that or might have left or might just be despaired to
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the point of the more things change, the more they stay the same. Nothing ever changes. So we might
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already be there. The question is, how do you salvage that between now and the next midterms?
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And it's you got Schultz, Theo Vaughn, Joe Rogan. Rogan was already starting to turn somewhat on some
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of the deportations like would you have voted for, you know, Home Depot parking lot raids? And, you
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know, he was starting to turn. But the idea to turn around and say, I don't want your support
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anymore because you are. I don't understand it. People say he's a petulant child, stubborn,
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can't admit when he's wrong, thinks he's going to get people to side with him by doing this.
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Yep. At this point. No, but I mean, at this point, I'm not one to demand apologies, but I think what
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it would take is an actual sit down, long press conference, maybe a statement saying, look,
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so things got carried away, but it's not going away. And the problem is this might cost him all of
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his successes in the midterms. And at the very least for the time being, nobody's talking about the
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miracle that it is that he's even alive after, you know, the one year anniversary. Nobody's
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talking about the court victories. Nobody's talking about the economic victories, the board,
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the border victories. They're talking about Epstein and why it now. I don't believe it,
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but people are saying it's clear that he's on the list. I mean, you know, the funny thing is there
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is an opportunity here that Trump may have inadvertently created in that Democrats are
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now demanding the release of the documents. Ro Khanna put for that amendment, which I, you know,
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initially I said, this is fantastic. Let's go. I don't care if it's Ro or anybody else,
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but in the morning we got news that Republicans voted it down. And I was like, why would they do
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that? And I looked, oh, because it says any evidence must be published on the DOJ's website
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within 30 days. And I'm like, well, there's no way anyone's voting for that. Democrats know they're
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not going to win. So they vote. Yes. Republicans are then trapped and can't vote. Yes. I'm releasing
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all of this abuse material. But Rep Khanna spoke with me and he said, you are right. I'm going to fix
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the bill and we're going to change that. We're going to make sure it's clear that will not be
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related. Then then you have my support. I want to see that bill. Let's get it done. Republicans
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have no excuses. That being said, Democrats for years and even in the corporate press right now
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are arguing the Epstein story is a conspiracy theory. They're saying, you know, you know, ABC put a story
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on July 1st. And this is about a week before the unsigned memo saying there's no there's no Epstein
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videos. We spoke with sources and intelligence and none of this exists. And I'm asking myself,
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why is the corporate press writing a story on a non non news item that the Epstein stuff wasn't in
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the news? Why are they writing this up and publishing this a week before? Then we get this
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weird memo coming out. It's almost like they're trying to to quash the story and claim it's a
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conspiracy. So ultimately, my point is, let's pull up all of the articles from like, I don't know,
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maybe Rolling Stone had one or Variety or New York Times where they were like, the Epstein story is a
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crackpot conspiracy. It never happened. And now we can point at all the Democrats that are voting yes
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on it being like these fringe conspiracy QAnon Pizzagate politicians. They will weasel out of it to
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say we're not confirming the existence of it. We're just saying if it exists, release what you can.
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Sure. But we can still call them Pizzagate QAnon people all night.
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Well, I mean, now you got AOC confirming there's a list in her tweet for which she deserves to be
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sued for defamation. But which tweet was that? What did she say? She said, who would have thought
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that electing a rapist would would slow up the release of the Epstein files? And I'm like,
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BITCH, you deserve to get sued for that. And she tweeted it from her personal account.
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Although I know the state of the law, there's vast immunity for government officials,
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even when they choose to maliciously defame other people, especially public figures like
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the president. She has a personal account. Yeah. And she tweeted it specifically says
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personal account from which she tweeted that defamatory per se tweet. I saw the bit on
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Ro Khanna's amendment. I wasn't I didn't agree that it would require or compel the production of
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criminal CP or CSAM. But I said, if that's if that's the concern, and if the if the Republicans had
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like a little bit of political savvy, they would have said, we can't pass it like that. Let's add
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an amendment that says with the exception of any material, the publication of which would violate
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child pornography or CSAM laws and vote for it instead. Oh, we can't vote for that. I saw the
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talking point that would require the publication of criminal materials and we have to vote. No
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Democrats get the talking point. Republicans unanimously voted down the amendment,
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make the amendment that except in as much as publication would violate existing laws.
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And then you have your solution to the problem. I think it's impossible. I think even if Rep
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Khanna does introduce an amendment saying the CSAM stuff, the child pornography, the the issue is
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still going to be you'll create a circumstance where the Trump DOJ can redact whatever they want
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and make that argument and say, sue me. And you're not going to know what to sue over because it's
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redacted. Yeah. Well, first of all, at the very least, you get some production of documents
00:21:04.880
which might satisfy the base and you satisfy the concerns that nobody ever wanted to see
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CP or CSAM, despite that being the talking point as to why they weren't producing it. So Trump
00:21:14.300
Trump could just make a fake list. Like, I don't know. I don't know. He could literally just put
00:21:19.100
the J6 committee on a list and be like, here's the Epstein list. And it would like, here's the
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opportunity to do the funniest thing imaginable. The reality is that, yes, that entire file has
00:21:29.600
been tainted. So how the heck then were we told to believe the file? Because I mean, and it wasn't
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even, I mean, it's arguable as to whether or not they were drafting it or phrasing it in a way that
00:21:40.220
based on our review of the file, he killed himself. There is no list and there's no blackmail material.
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I was like, okay, good. The file's tainted. I don't think anybody doubts that the, whatever,
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what was it? 14 terabytes of video from Epstein's Island. Where did that go? Oh, it only involved
00:21:53.280
Epstein. Oh, the various rooms and the, and the footage was only about Epstein. I would like,
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I think everybody is within their rights to know who visited that Island. You'll by association be
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damned. That Island is sufficiently tainted that you can defend yourself, but everybody should be
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entitled to know who was there and under what circumstances, what went down. They can disclose
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that. Apparently behind the scenes, this has been reported that Trump has told, I think it was like
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Dershowitz or somebody said this, that there's a lot of innocent people whose names are going to appear
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on having gone to parties or like flown with Epstein and that he doesn't, that it's thousands of
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prominent individuals. They don't want to damage who are not criminally implicated. And my attitude is,
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I don't care. No, I don't care. That explanation itself doesn't make sense. The black book is out
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already. Everybody understands there are some people in that book who were just in there because
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they were numbers in a book. So that excuse no longer flies because of the names that are already
00:22:43.080
out there based on the file as it is, the black book, the Rolodex, whatever, the flight logs. We
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know it. So if there's guilt by association, so be it. That's kind of what happens when you go to the
00:22:52.000
private Island of a man who's convicted of sex trafficking. And if you're innocent, not that you
00:22:57.180
have to prove your innocence, but someone's gonna have to prove your guilt. But to say 14 terabytes of
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that Island, Lord knows what they did on it. We still don't know what they did on that Island. So how about
00:23:06.420
this? Don't tell us who was there. Tell us what went down on that Island and or who he was working
00:23:10.540
for. I mean, I think there's a fair point in one thing that has me worried. I'm never adamant, like
00:23:16.680
a hundred percent on anything fact-based. It's always what we believe, what we think we know. Is there a
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percentage chance in any way that Epstein was not working for intelligence? We've made that assumption
00:23:29.600
based off of evidence. There was a statement from a prosecutor who gave him the sweetheart deal back
00:23:34.340
in like 08 or whatever, who said, I was told to back off because intelligence owned him.
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And so we, based upon these stories, we believe that to be true and correct. I think he likely was
00:23:43.280
intelligence. I think CIA, Mossad, MI6 makes a lot of sense, maybe even others. And that's the blackmail
00:23:48.940
machine we were using. But what if there's a real possibility that he was just a well-connected
00:23:53.460
diddler who used his own personal like resources for trafficking and blackmailed politicians so he
00:24:01.760
could be a drug-fueled pedophile? Well, but that would still be an explanation that people would
00:24:06.960
be satisfied with. Absolutely. Absolutely. But I, you know, so this was Alex Acosta who struck the
00:24:11.700
plea, the sweet plea deal back in 2009, who he's told it to the Daily Beast. And so then you could
00:24:17.620
take it with a grain of salt. I don't think anyone has officially contradicted it that he said it.
00:24:21.240
Yeah. I was told he's intelligence. Leave him alone. You know, I did have an interesting idea
00:24:26.380
that to the extent that Mike Benz talking about this with Charlie Kirk, say he was being used for
00:24:31.720
money laundering, arms dealing. Okay. Then maybe he was a pedo and CIA was using that blackmail
00:24:38.500
material on him to continue allowing them to have their operations for money laundering and arms
00:24:43.260
dealing. You imagine if it came out that the U.S. government was exploiting blackmailing a pedophile
00:24:50.340
so they could use him for other military or intelligence purposes. Yeah. The public might
00:24:55.200
be up in arms to the point where they would want to overthrow the government. So it could be that.
00:24:59.580
But he was a nobody, right? He was a nobody. And then all of a sudden he was this hedge fund guy
00:25:05.220
that made no sense. And so that's why it's hard to believe that he was the one being blackmailed,
00:25:10.680
right? Well, they could have caught him and then they could have used him and then they used it.
00:25:14.980
But also that implies the CIA was like, keep diddling, just, you know, we won't arrest you.
00:25:19.840
But Matt, look, that's within the realm of possibility. Hey, Jeffrey, we're going to use
00:25:25.040
you. And if you ever don't cooperate with us, we're going to release all of this pedo stuff
00:25:29.680
that's going to put you in jail for life. And we're going to use you to launder money
00:25:32.420
to various places, various sources, sell arms to various places, various sources.
00:25:35.780
I'm not saying it's true. It's just conceivable. And if it were, if the American public discovered
00:25:40.500
that their government was actually exploiting of a pedophile for its own intelligence purposes,
00:25:44.440
they might be sufficiently irritated. That's the point. I think the likely scenario is
00:25:48.980
Epstein was blackmailing other prominent individuals using pedophilia as his attack vector.
00:25:56.880
So Epstein himself seems to have been a diddler based on the evidence we've received.
00:26:00.660
And then the CIA said, we want you to get other people implicated in your activities to use as
00:26:06.300
blackmail against them. So it's like that that is the that I think that is the general theory most
00:26:12.740
people believe is likely correct. And I'm going to stress, considering all the other conspiracy
00:26:16.640
theories everybody was right about, I was running maybe half of them. Some of them I didn't believe
00:26:21.560
myself. And then the stories came out and they were confirmed. It's like, oh, that was wow. We were
00:26:24.940
they were right about that one. I'm going to go ahead and assume that the Epstein stuff is probably
00:26:29.460
correct. And the one thing I had real quick, sorry, is there was there was a funny there's a
00:26:34.500
couple of comments I saw in response to this story. People are commenting and I rumble saying
00:26:38.740
Trump is 100 percent implicated in this. Well, what the question would be, what is it? What do you
00:26:45.820
mean implicated? Might it mean that there are prominent members of his administration that would
00:26:49.940
be negatively affected by public disclosures? Yeah. I don't believe for a second that you're going
00:26:55.380
to hear some lawnmower going by. I don't believe for a second that that Trump is on the list. If
00:26:59.220
he were, that would have been disclosed years ago. But can you hypothetically imagine that
00:27:05.220
disclosing of Epstein's activities would either reveal that American foreign policy was dictated by
00:27:10.760
blackmail or that American government was using blackmail to coerce foreign policy via the trafficking
00:27:18.420
of underage children? That would be earth shattering. Let me let me ask you a question. So
00:27:23.940
the theory that's presented, I think based on everything we've assessed, it appears that Epstein
00:27:30.340
himself was a diddler. And that includes underage, like pre-mubescent, as well as just, you know,
00:27:37.300
teenage girls. The typical theory as to how he operated was that he would bring on 16 and 17 year old
00:27:44.140
girls claim they were 18 or 19 film someone engaging activity and then say they're underage
00:27:51.040
and we filmed you. We own you now. And so one of the arguments that's come up is Trump doesn't want
00:27:57.520
a prominent businessman to go to prison for hooking up with a 17 year old that he was tricked and was
00:28:03.580
told was of age. So let me ask you that. Do you think like, I still think they should, we should
00:28:09.200
publish it and the public can decide if they go to jail over that or not. That's still illegal. You
00:28:13.660
can't be a 30, 40 year old man hooking up with 16, 17 year olds. To be fair, actually, there are some
00:28:18.400
jurisdictions, I think we're 16 is age of consent. But one of the theories or arguments is that many
00:28:24.560
of these people were thinking they were hooking up with 18 year olds because maybe other sleazy
00:28:29.400
businessmen, but they were actually 16, 17. Should those people be exposed and go to jail?
00:28:34.700
Well, go to jail is a separate thing. Should they be exposed? I can appreciate the arguments for and
00:28:40.940
against. If that's what happened, then the world needs to know what happened.
00:28:45.200
The bottom line, we know that Epstein, unaccounted for how he made his millions, why Lex Wexner,
00:28:51.340
Lex West, whatever his name is, gave him power of attorney over his vast estate. We know that he
00:28:56.140
had, after his conviction, intimate business dealings with Ehud Barak, who visited him like 30 times in his
00:29:02.540
Manhattan apartment, took a million dollars to invest in Ehud Barak's business, which lo and behold,
00:29:07.020
was a live streaming, video streaming, and geolocation service. So you can connect dots,
00:29:12.260
whatever you want there. Ehud Barak, former prime minister of Israel, says he didn't know about
00:29:16.240
Epstein's conviction when they got into business together, where Epstein was giving him a million
00:29:19.880
plus dollars. Horse crap. You know that Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter of Robert Maxwell and all
00:29:25.380
of his illustrious intelligence ties to the point where Mossad shows up at his funeral after his
00:29:30.580
suspicious death. What was his name? Seymour Hersh, you know, accused him of being a Mossad agent.
00:29:34.920
The whole point is, you know, the way, what was it, Naftali Bennett put out a tweet and said,
00:29:39.920
Jeffrey Epstein never worked for Mossad. All right. Did he work with Mossad? Did Mossad,
00:29:44.600
did any intelligence exploit of or use Jeffrey Epstein for any purpose? The bottom line is,
00:29:50.860
Alex Acosta made that statement years ago. I don't think anybody denies it. The question is,
00:29:55.280
do you believe that he was only sex trafficking for himself and himself only despite Prince Andrew's,
00:30:00.120
you know, clear involvement somewhere along the lines. They're selling us something that nobody's
00:30:05.420
believing because we're not stupid. And the, you know, the 180 that Trump is doing, it's sort of
00:30:11.080
like a dance. It's a pirouette. Believe the file. He killed himself. We'll release it. It's on my desk,
00:30:18.060
phase one. Then it comes out. We can't release it. Then it comes out. You can't trust the file.
00:30:22.280
And nobody's believing it. And the question is, how do you get out of this situation? If it were
00:30:26.760
just a question of people not believing it, it would be serious enough. But to burn the bridges
00:30:31.260
with an electorate that you need in order to have a margin that is, you know, too big to rig,
00:30:37.520
I sort of, he's taking the worst advice ever, or he's surrounded by too many yes men who are not
00:30:42.940
saying, Donald, this is a big effing problem, and you're not going to browbeat your way out of it.
00:30:47.940
And I say this with respect and admiration for Trump. It's a bloody miracle that he's with us today.
00:30:53.700
It's a miracle that he's after everything. And now some people are saying, Viva, God chose him.
00:30:59.340
And so let him cook. I was like, first of all, God chose him. God gave him ears to listen to the
00:31:03.380
people that God put in place to elect him into power. And so all of these things, God having a
00:31:07.920
plan doesn't mean that we all sit idly by here while he ostensibly destroys it.
00:31:12.060
Maybe we're part of that plan. Viva, thank you so much for joining and sharing your insights. I do
00:31:17.660
Oh, at Viva Fry. I got the three o'clock slot on Rumble. So Viva Fry,
00:31:21.160
live this afternoon with Susan Crabtree. Tomorrow, Mike Benz is coming on. And Friday,
00:31:25.960
Vince from The Vince Show is going to come on. So it's a big week. And VivaBarnesLaw.locals.com,
00:31:31.600
where a lot of this would not be new to anybody. If you follow our Locals community, it's a good one.
00:31:35.860
Right on, man. Thanks for hanging out. We'll see you next time.
00:31:40.600
Viva, always smart on point. Great insights. I was highlighting his tweet. I actually
00:31:44.400
misunderstood his tweet. He was saying, they came out and said, Epstein killed himself. We looked at the
00:31:50.340
files. That's all that's there. And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Why do you believe those
00:31:54.020
files from a corrupt DOJ? Interesting point. We went a little bit over time, but it's cool,
00:31:59.140
my friends. We're going to gear up that raid for our friend Russell Brand, where he's talking once
00:32:05.240
again about the Epstein story. So let's send you guys on your way. Smash that like button. Share the
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