The Culture War - Tim Pool - Trump NUKES His Own Base Over Epstein DESPITE Agenda VICTORY ft. Viva Frei

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00:00:37.960 Well, back it up to the beginning where it's not a false dichotomy of if you're criticizing Trump,

00:00:43.100 it means you're going to vote for the Democrats. But what it does mean, and I had on the pollster,

00:00:48.000 as far as I'm concerned, one of the only reliable pollsters out there, Richard Barris,

00:00:52.240 big data polling, talking about the fact that like, okay, you're just going to make them become

00:00:56.920 inactive voters, and they're not going to turn out at the midterms, and low turnout doesn't favor

00:01:01.740 Republicans. The Post Millennial reports, Democrat strategist says parties should pray long and hard

00:01:08.300 for an effing depression. Yo, what? A Minnesota accused assassin wrote an unhinged confession to

00:01:15.980 Kash Patel claiming Waltz urged him to murder. These Democrat lawmakers say what? The nation,

00:01:22.240 Trump is the Confederacy's revenge. Well, right now, we have a lot of people talking about Trump's

00:01:29.260 failings and his attack on his base over the Epstein case. I think it's important to realize

00:01:32.580 the left is not any less unhinged. In fact, I'd argue they're still substantially more unhinged. 0.91

00:01:38.380 But how do those of us who have backed Trump contend with him saying, do not support us?

00:01:45.900 It's interesting because Democrats are latching onto this story on Epstein.

00:01:49.540 They're using it as an attack vector on Trump. Now, I've laid out my position. It's very clear.

00:01:57.340 I'm going to support Trump and his efforts that I think benefit us, and I will criticize him in

00:02:01.100 efforts that I think are detrimental, as anyone should. And that means the Epstein thing is

00:02:05.660 miserably bad for him, and he needs to be called out on it. I'm also kind of happy that he's got these

00:02:10.400 victories, and I'm happy we dodged the Democrats. They're crackpots. But Viva Fry made a great point. 1.00

00:02:18.140 I'm going to bring him in. We've been having some weird browser update issues, so I'm going to try

00:02:22.380 and correct the audio. Here we go. One, two. Okay. There we go. I believe we solved the echo issue,

00:02:31.060 the browsers initializing poorly. Viva, can you hear me? I can hear you. How you doing?

00:02:34.900 How's it going, buddy? Let me pull in the camera and get you on. So right now, we're dealing with

00:02:40.140 Donald Trump saying he doesn't want our support anymore. But I wanted to highlight,

00:02:45.400 for the beginning of this interview and segment, conversation, the Democrats are still crazy, 0.87

00:02:51.220 strategists calling for a depression, this crazy guy who claimed Tim Walz was telling him to shoot

00:02:55.800 people up, these several past mass shooters being of left persuasion. Democrats being right on the

00:03:01.660 Epstein issue, I don't think should put us in a position where we're going to sacrifice the

00:03:05.620 victories of the Trump administration and start supporting the psychotic behaviors of the left.

00:03:10.940 But there is still a conundrum in Trump telling this morning all his past supporters,

00:03:17.700 we don't want to support you anymore. You had a really great post on this that I'd highlighted

00:03:21.260 where you'd mentioned, why are we going to trust the Democrats' previous administration on this?

00:03:25.440 But I'm curious your thoughts on why Trump is doing this, what's going on, and what we should

00:03:30.540 be doing. Back it up to the beginning where it's not a false dichotomy of if you're criticizing

00:03:35.960 Trump, it means you're going to vote for the Democrats. But what it does mean, and I had on

00:03:40.180 the pollster, as far as I'm concerned, one of the only reliable pollsters out there, Richard Barris,

00:03:45.080 big data polling, talking about the fact that like, okay, you're just going to make them become

00:03:50.260 inactive voters, and they're not going to turn out at the midterms, and low turnout doesn't favor

00:03:55.080 Republicans. So on the one hand, shaming your most ardent supporters for following a theory that you

00:04:00.940 yourself proposed, it might not get them to vote Democrat, because you'd have to have a hole in

00:04:05.020 your head to vote for the Democrats, but you'll just stay home. And so, and you can't poo on your

00:04:11.040 own supporters and deter them from wanting to get out there and vote by calling them stupid and mean 0.99

00:04:17.460 bad people for following through on the very same story that not only Trump himself brought up, 0.99

00:04:21.740 but his administration had been pursuing doggedly for six months. So where we start from the beginning

00:04:27.180 here, my post where I said, the files potentially corrupt. That's what I said when the line coming

00:04:33.560 out of the White House was Epstein killed himself, there is no blackmail material, and there is no

00:04:37.360 client list. And I'm like, okay, good. That's the finding based on the FBI file, the very same criminal

00:04:43.180 weaponized FBI DOJ that you're now investigating for criminality. How do you rely on it from the

00:04:48.480 beginning? And I'm told, well, you know, that's the file. We've seen it, rely on it. Now they've pivoted

00:04:53.840 and moved the goalposts to the file is corrupt and cannot be relied on. But they were telling us

00:04:58.860 three months ago to rely on this file because it says he killed himself. You may not believe it.

00:05:03.120 Here's the video, yada, yada. Wow. And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's actual gaslighting. Like Trump

00:05:08.120 coming out and saying, I don't know why you guys find this story so important. You brought it up and

00:05:12.880 not like you brought it up. So therefore we were entitled to be fooled. You brought it up because it

00:05:17.220 was a big story. We don't believe it because we want to, we believe it because there is absolutely a

00:05:21.620 conspiracy there. Otherwise, Ghislaine Maxwell is not serving 25 years for human trafficking.

00:05:27.040 Otherwise Epstein, you know, doesn't get re-indicted in 2019. So Trump brought it up

00:05:31.700 to the limelight, not made something out of nothing, brought it to the limelight. Bongino and I, and I,

00:05:37.400 I didn't, I don't agree with Bongino when he was saying what I believed. I believe what he believed.

00:05:41.640 And I believe he believed what he said for the last several years. It's a big story. You don't know how

00:05:45.900 deep it goes. Follow up on it. Never let it go. I believe Bond Patel when he was on

00:05:50.900 Benny Johnson saying, you know, Epstein, not Epstein, what's his face? Bill Gates is on the

00:05:55.660 list. We know that Epstein blackmailed Bill Gates over his relationship with that woman that he was

00:05:59.660 cheating on with his wife. We know that he's blackmailed people before. And now we have Trump

00:06:04.780 saying, if you push this, it's a conspiracy theory. I no longer want your support. When two of the most

00:06:09.640 vocal truth seekers are the director and deputy director of his FBI. And I look at this like,

00:06:14.920 how would I feel if I'm Bongino or Patel? How would I feel if I'm Don Jr.? And, you know,

00:06:18.820 I'm on record saying release the list. Everyone is on record saying release list because everybody

00:06:23.100 knows colloquially speaking, there's a list of something there. There's unindicted co-conspirators.

00:06:28.180 There are people that were involved in this. And now we're being told not only that it's a hoax

00:06:32.560 from the Democrats can't rely on the file that they were telling us to rely on two months ago

00:06:36.720 as their messaging. And now we're being called bad people, conspiracy theories, and he no longer wants

00:06:40.780 our support. It's I don't know what the hell is going on because I'm trying to look for the happy

00:06:45.940 ending to this. You know, like Trump in two months says, sorry, guys, I had to lie to you because we

00:06:50.100 were doing some wildly, you know, double fakie, deep investigation. And I hope you forgive me.

00:06:55.980 That's not going to happen. And even if that happens, there are going to be people who say

00:06:58.840 you cannot lie. You could have just said nothing. But I'm trying to make sense of these posts.

00:07:03.620 It's it's it's madness. I don't know how to make sense of it. I don't understand what their play

00:07:08.600 is. Trump repeatedly just blasting off on this issue is only making the issue more prominent.

00:07:13.880 He's pouring gas in the fire. Trump is a PR master. I know he knows this PR 101 is let it go.

00:07:23.120 I feel the story before I was hanging out at Vice when I worked at Vice. One of their one of their

00:07:27.940 personalities on HBO went on a podcast and described raping a woman and it caused a huge backlash for

00:07:34.860 the company. And so I'm sitting down and I said, guys, this dude has gone on a show. I think you

00:07:41.820 sever him from your brand because he's he's one of your hosts. And they were like, well, we're going

00:07:47.620 to do literal nothing. And guess what? It worked. They decided we will say nothing. We will do nothing.

00:07:52.540 We will let people talk about it. A week later, they'll forget. Trump knows this. So why is he or

00:07:57.800 anybody else constantly going on TV and making this the issue? It would be. Well, the reality is

00:08:06.260 they made it the issue when they released that undated, unsigned memo, but to Axios.

00:08:12.800 So some people want to always play the 4D, 7D, 800D level chess. Say he knows that he knows what

00:08:19.760 the Streisand effect is, you would think. Another reality is he might just be getting bad feedback

00:08:24.560 from the wrong people, or I should say wrong feedback from bad people. He might just be getting

00:08:28.420 bad feedback. He might be sufficiently isolated from the people who put him in power at this point

00:08:34.680 that he's just getting bad advice. And everyone around him is a yes man saying, yes, Donald Trump,

00:08:38.960 what you're doing is great. They'll fall in line eventually, Donald, Mr. Trump, President Trump,

00:08:43.840 keep saying it, and they'll fall in line. They'll take the orders. That could be one thing. The other

00:08:49.000 thing, maybe, you know, he comes out and says, it's a hoax. It's a hoax. It's a hoax. Everyone jumps

00:08:52.620 down his throat two months from now. Oh, I guess it wasn't a hoax. And X, Y, and Z are on the list.

00:08:57.020 But the bottom line is, most importantly, the way that it's become almost abusive to the most

00:09:03.700 ardent supporters of his, as if to say, now that I've gotten elected, now that some of you have

00:09:08.220 lost friends over your support of me, you've lost jobs, some of you've been jailed over your

00:09:12.380 support of me, now I don't want you support, I don't want your support anymore, because you're

00:09:17.660 repeating a story that I myself brought to your attention, that my members, key members of my

00:09:22.300 administration have been pushing for years, and rightly so, I say. So, like, I've had a number of

00:09:27.340 theories. Is this sabotage, like the deep state, it's going to take Trump down with the Epstein file,

00:09:31.840 and this is how they're going to do it? Are they sabotaging members of his administration

00:09:35.240 to make the FBI look at odds with Trump's position now? I mean, and even if the argument is going to

00:09:40.840 be, well, Patel and Bongino have fallen into line, they're no longer repeating the theories that

00:09:46.080 they've been espousing for years, so they've fallen into line. Congrats. What do you think the

00:09:50.640 Democrats are going to do? You don't have to be a scoundrel to think like one. Democrats are going to 0.98

00:09:54.200 say, great, your deputy director of the FBI and your director of the FBI have been pushing these

00:09:58.300 hoax conspiracy theories for years. How can we have any faith in the FBI right now?

00:10:02.260 Yep. I mean, it's like it's an abject PR disaster. It's an administrative disaster. I have no idea what

00:10:08.500 the heck is going on, but and for those who say, you know, Trump takes the truth to get a feel for

00:10:12.720 the room and see the responses, we're fast approaching the point of having said things

00:10:17.360 that cannot be taken back. Oh, this is the event horizon saying my past supporters saying,

00:10:24.120 I don't want your support saying this will forever be called the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.

00:10:28.860 That is that is that is a nuclear bomb on the issue that I think we're already past the point

00:10:33.660 of taking it back. I'm trying to be charitable and forgiving. And Tim, I say it. I've got the

00:10:40.480 I got the shoes up there. I say this as someone who is there. No, you got the gold ones. They were

00:10:46.680 out when I only got the red and white. So, you know, I got two pairs for the price of one gold.

00:10:50.640 Um, it's like in a fight, you know, if you're fighting with your wife, you can't say, you know, 0.94

00:10:56.400 you're fat and ugly and then expect everyone to go back to being lovey, lovey the next day.

00:11:00.000 I'm trying to be charitable and hope that we're not past the event horizon. But 1.00

00:11:03.100 like they say, when you when you reach the event horizon of a black hole,

00:11:06.800 you don't even know that you've fallen into it. And maybe we're already there.

00:11:10.140 But I want to stress, you know, one of the things I was just highlighting a moment ago was

00:11:14.620 the immigration raids have been on point, a major victory. The the doge cuts just pushed through 0.62

00:11:22.100 nine billion. Fantastic. USAID, NPR, PBS budget slashed, obliterated the firings at all these

00:11:30.840 departments. The wholesale inflation was flat for June. Not the trip, not a tremendous,

00:11:36.100 tremendous victory, but still good considering the tariffs. Trump has got so many victors under his

00:11:40.160 belt. I don't understand why he would want to burn himself down over this.

00:11:44.180 But but I will stress as an aside, two points. I don't want to sacrifice these tremendous

00:11:50.300 victories over a single story, albeit a very important one. You know, so I want to keep the

00:11:55.000 pressure on and say this story will always matter and we're always going to demand it and we're not

00:11:58.420 going to settle for less. But I want Trump to win the midterms. I want the Republicans to still win

00:12:04.240 the midterms. What what what is this play? It's just risking everything. I will. Some people say

00:12:10.740 to risk everything. And yes, those are big W's. He's had recent court victories. If on immigration

00:12:16.340 alone, it's a smashing success on the you know, some would say for him to stake everything on this 0.98

00:12:22.600 particular issue, there must be some bad names in that list that are so damn would be so damn 0.88

00:12:27.960 destabilizing that for the greater national security, it must be kept private. But even if that

00:12:33.540 were the explanation and he were to sit down and say, look, it has nothing to do with child

00:12:38.560 trafficking or blackmail or extortion. You know, Mike Benz was on with Charlie Kirk yesterday

00:12:43.240 talking about the angle of Epstein being, you know, a handler, money launderer or whatever arms

00:12:48.240 dealer. If it were only from that perspective to say it's a national security issue and we cannot

00:12:53.160 disclose it, that well, it might be too late for that now, but that would have satisfied people.

00:12:58.720 People say, OK, I understand that confirms everything I already thought about Epstein.

00:13:01.920 It's a national security issue. We can't, you know, risk World War Three if foreign nations realize what,

00:13:07.160 you know, other nations might have been doing for the purposes of political, you know,

00:13:11.460 geopolitical strategy. But like at this point in time, some people think it's already going to

00:13:18.780 have had a decisive impact on the midterms. And people don't seem to say, OK, fine, so you lose

00:13:23.240 a few seats. No, if Trump lose, if Republicans lose the Senate, he gets impeached, he gets convicted,

00:13:28.560 he gets removed from office in 2026 or 20 and they'll do it the day after they have control over

00:13:33.460 the Senate as it was for the one. Well, it took a tiebreak. They would need, what, like 63 votes

00:13:39.340 in the Senate or something. I was it not. I thought I thought it would be so I thought it'd be a

00:13:44.880 majority. But but so it's a majority to impeach. But but two thirds, I think, is to convict in the

00:13:49.340 Senate. So, OK, I'm going to be wrong. One way, one way that will fact check in time one way or the

00:13:56.660 other. They're only dealing with a six or seven seat differential right now. And depending on how

00:14:01.880 disastrous this is, I mean, but to stake all of these successes on what all it would have taken

00:14:08.420 was a releasing some of the documents be a satisfactory explanation that doesn't consist

00:14:13.940 of an undated, unsigned memo leaked to Axios and then no explanation for the better part of a week

00:14:19.560 while rumors fly. And then Dan Bongino allegedly claims he's going to leave the it's him or Bondi.

00:14:24.680 Then you get Todd Blanche on Friday saying, no, no, we all discussed it and signed off on it.

00:14:28.580 Yeah. If nobody signed off on it. So it was 60. It is 67. Sixty seven senators can convict if Trump

00:14:34.300 loses, I think, like two seats in the House, he gets impeached. He'll be obstructed every step of

00:14:40.180 the way. And considering it's already rough with, you know, like Massey, for instance, always he's

00:14:44.840 the new doctor. No, Trump's already in a precarious position. I want him to win. But I'm curious if this

00:14:50.740 is where the the what the coalition breaks. Right. So I would say I don't know where you'd fall in

00:14:58.500 this, Viva, maybe somewhere similar for someone like me. Obviously, I was like a moderate liberal

00:15:02.900 and I'm like, Trump's the guy. All these policies I want. I'm not I'm still voting for Trump. I'm still

00:15:09.320 voting likely for. Well, I'm definitely voting Republican in the midterms because Riley Moore is

00:15:13.080 my my congressman. He's he's amazing and he's a good friend. Any skateboards.

00:15:16.180 But there are a lot of liberals we're seeing now with like Schultz coming out and being like super

00:15:23.960 pissed off. Andrew Schultz about Trump not publishing the Epstein files, attacking his

00:15:29.580 supporters. Do you think this could break that coalition where the kind of normie middle of the

00:15:34.720 road went for Trump in twenty twenty four and now the midterms come around and they're just like,

00:15:38.580 I'm out? Well, I mean, not to be doom pilled. I think that's kind of that might have already

00:15:44.500 happened with Iran, with the with the debacle in Iran. You lose the people who said no new wars.

00:15:49.320 Oh, this one's not a war, except it's a 12 day war. We no new regime change. Oh, it's not regime

00:15:53.740 change. Well, there's a truth about regime change and people who didn't want to see any further

00:15:57.900 involvement in any capacity who were sold on that or might have left or might just be despaired to

00:16:03.780 the point of the more things change, the more they stay the same. Nothing ever changes. So we might

00:16:09.700 already be there. The question is, how do you salvage that between now and the next midterms?

00:16:14.120 And it's you got Schultz, Theo Vaughn, Joe Rogan. Rogan was already starting to turn somewhat on some

00:16:23.740 of the deportations like would you have voted for, you know, Home Depot parking lot raids? And, you

00:16:29.020 know, he was starting to turn. But the idea to turn around and say, I don't want your support

00:16:35.420 anymore because you are. I don't understand it. People say he's a petulant child, stubborn,

00:16:40.600 can't admit when he's wrong, thinks he's going to get people to side with him by doing this.

00:16:44.480 Yep. At this point. No, but I mean, at this point, I'm not one to demand apologies, but I think what

00:16:49.660 it would take is an actual sit down, long press conference, maybe a statement saying, look,

00:16:54.900 so things got carried away, but it's not going away. And the problem is this might cost him all of

00:17:01.400 his successes in the midterms. And at the very least for the time being, nobody's talking about the

00:17:05.300 miracle that it is that he's even alive after, you know, the one year anniversary. Nobody's

00:17:09.660 talking about the court victories. Nobody's talking about the economic victories, the board,

00:17:12.920 the border victories. They're talking about Epstein and why it now. I don't believe it,

00:17:19.000 but people are saying it's clear that he's on the list. I mean, you know, the funny thing is there

00:17:22.740 is an opportunity here that Trump may have inadvertently created in that Democrats are

00:17:27.600 now demanding the release of the documents. Ro Khanna put for that amendment, which I, you know,

00:17:34.520 initially I said, this is fantastic. Let's go. I don't care if it's Ro or anybody else,

00:17:37.320 but in the morning we got news that Republicans voted it down. And I was like, why would they do

00:17:43.120 that? And I looked, oh, because it says any evidence must be published on the DOJ's website

00:17:46.640 within 30 days. And I'm like, well, there's no way anyone's voting for that. Democrats know they're

00:17:50.680 not going to win. So they vote. Yes. Republicans are then trapped and can't vote. Yes. I'm releasing

00:17:55.960 all of this abuse material. But Rep Khanna spoke with me and he said, you are right. I'm going to fix

00:18:02.080 the bill and we're going to change that. We're going to make sure it's clear that will not be

00:18:06.160 related. Then then you have my support. I want to see that bill. Let's get it done. Republicans 0.59

00:18:09.940 have no excuses. That being said, Democrats for years and even in the corporate press right now

00:18:16.540 are arguing the Epstein story is a conspiracy theory. They're saying, you know, you know, ABC put a story

00:18:23.200 on July 1st. And this is about a week before the unsigned memo saying there's no there's no Epstein

00:18:32.560 videos. We spoke with sources and intelligence and none of this exists. And I'm asking myself,

00:18:37.180 why is the corporate press writing a story on a non non news item that the Epstein stuff wasn't in

00:18:41.920 the news? Why are they writing this up and publishing this a week before? Then we get this

00:18:46.120 weird memo coming out. It's almost like they're trying to to quash the story and claim it's a

00:18:51.980 conspiracy. So ultimately, my point is, let's pull up all of the articles from like, I don't know,

00:18:58.060 maybe Rolling Stone had one or Variety or New York Times where they were like, the Epstein story is a

00:19:03.580 crackpot conspiracy. It never happened. And now we can point at all the Democrats that are voting yes

00:19:08.440 on it being like these fringe conspiracy QAnon Pizzagate politicians. They will weasel out of it to

00:19:15.960 say we're not confirming the existence of it. We're just saying if it exists, release what you can.

00:19:20.160 Sure. But we can still call them Pizzagate QAnon people all night.

00:19:23.420 Well, I mean, now you got AOC confirming there's a list in her tweet for which she deserves to be 0.97

00:19:28.000 sued for defamation. But which tweet was that? What did she say? She said, who would have thought

00:19:33.080 that electing a rapist would would slow up the release of the Epstein files? And I'm like,

00:19:37.780 BITCH, you deserve to get sued for that. And she tweeted it from her personal account. 1.00

00:19:41.980 Although I know the state of the law, there's vast immunity for government officials,

00:19:46.420 even when they choose to maliciously defame other people, especially public figures like

00:19:51.160 the president. She has a personal account. Yeah. And she tweeted it specifically says

00:19:55.480 personal account from which she tweeted that defamatory per se tweet. I saw the bit on

00:20:00.740 Ro Khanna's amendment. I wasn't I didn't agree that it would require or compel the production of

00:20:06.380 criminal CP or CSAM. But I said, if that's if that's the concern, and if the if the Republicans had

00:20:12.340 like a little bit of political savvy, they would have said, we can't pass it like that. Let's add

00:20:17.800 an amendment that says with the exception of any material, the publication of which would violate

00:20:22.180 child pornography or CSAM laws and vote for it instead. Oh, we can't vote for that. I saw the

00:20:27.580 talking point that would require the publication of criminal materials and we have to vote. No

00:20:31.220 Democrats get the talking point. Republicans unanimously voted down the amendment,

00:20:35.480 make the amendment that except in as much as publication would violate existing laws.

00:20:39.700 And then you have your solution to the problem. I think it's impossible. I think even if Rep

00:20:46.080 Khanna does introduce an amendment saying the CSAM stuff, the child pornography, the the issue is

00:20:52.460 still going to be you'll create a circumstance where the Trump DOJ can redact whatever they want

00:20:56.900 and make that argument and say, sue me. And you're not going to know what to sue over because it's

00:21:00.700 redacted. Yeah. Well, first of all, at the very least, you get some production of documents

00:21:04.880 which might satisfy the base and you satisfy the concerns that nobody ever wanted to see

00:21:09.680 CP or CSAM, despite that being the talking point as to why they weren't producing it. So Trump

00:21:14.300 Trump could just make a fake list. Like, I don't know. I don't know. He could literally just put

00:21:19.100 the J6 committee on a list and be like, here's the Epstein list. And it would like, here's the

00:21:22.420 opportunity to do the funniest thing imaginable. The reality is that, yes, that entire file has

00:21:29.600 been tainted. So how the heck then were we told to believe the file? Because I mean, and it wasn't

00:21:35.800 even, I mean, it's arguable as to whether or not they were drafting it or phrasing it in a way that

00:21:40.220 based on our review of the file, he killed himself. There is no list and there's no blackmail material.

00:21:44.500 I was like, okay, good. The file's tainted. I don't think anybody doubts that the, whatever,

00:21:48.520 what was it? 14 terabytes of video from Epstein's Island. Where did that go? Oh, it only involved

00:21:53.280 Epstein. Oh, the various rooms and the, and the footage was only about Epstein. I would like,

00:21:58.520 I think everybody is within their rights to know who visited that Island. You'll by association be

00:22:02.480 damned. That Island is sufficiently tainted that you can defend yourself, but everybody should be 0.92

00:22:07.460 entitled to know who was there and under what circumstances, what went down. They can disclose

00:22:10.960 that. Apparently behind the scenes, this has been reported that Trump has told, I think it was like

00:22:15.920 Dershowitz or somebody said this, that there's a lot of innocent people whose names are going to appear

00:22:19.920 on having gone to parties or like flown with Epstein and that he doesn't, that it's thousands of

00:22:25.580 prominent individuals. They don't want to damage who are not criminally implicated. And my attitude is,

00:22:29.900 I don't care. No, I don't care. That explanation itself doesn't make sense. The black book is out

00:22:35.260 already. Everybody understands there are some people in that book who were just in there because

00:22:38.320 they were numbers in a book. So that excuse no longer flies because of the names that are already

00:22:43.080 out there based on the file as it is, the black book, the Rolodex, whatever, the flight logs. We

00:22:47.600 know it. So if there's guilt by association, so be it. That's kind of what happens when you go to the

00:22:52.000 private Island of a man who's convicted of sex trafficking. And if you're innocent, not that you

00:22:57.180 have to prove your innocence, but someone's gonna have to prove your guilt. But to say 14 terabytes of

00:23:02.080 that Island, Lord knows what they did on it. We still don't know what they did on that Island. So how about

00:23:06.420 this? Don't tell us who was there. Tell us what went down on that Island and or who he was working

00:23:10.540 for. I mean, I think there's a fair point in one thing that has me worried. I'm never adamant, like

00:23:16.680 a hundred percent on anything fact-based. It's always what we believe, what we think we know. Is there a

00:23:23.740 percentage chance in any way that Epstein was not working for intelligence? We've made that assumption

00:23:29.600 based off of evidence. There was a statement from a prosecutor who gave him the sweetheart deal back

00:23:34.340 in like 08 or whatever, who said, I was told to back off because intelligence owned him.

00:23:38.220 And so we, based upon these stories, we believe that to be true and correct. I think he likely was

00:23:43.280 intelligence. I think CIA, Mossad, MI6 makes a lot of sense, maybe even others. And that's the blackmail

00:23:48.940 machine we were using. But what if there's a real possibility that he was just a well-connected

00:23:53.460 diddler who used his own personal like resources for trafficking and blackmailed politicians so he 0.91

00:24:01.760 could be a drug-fueled pedophile? Well, but that would still be an explanation that people would

00:24:06.960 be satisfied with. Absolutely. Absolutely. But I, you know, so this was Alex Acosta who struck the

00:24:11.700 plea, the sweet plea deal back in 2009, who he's told it to the Daily Beast. And so then you could

00:24:17.620 take it with a grain of salt. I don't think anyone has officially contradicted it that he said it.

00:24:21.240 Yeah. I was told he's intelligence. Leave him alone. You know, I did have an interesting idea

00:24:26.380 that to the extent that Mike Benz talking about this with Charlie Kirk, say he was being used for

00:24:31.720 money laundering, arms dealing. Okay. Then maybe he was a pedo and CIA was using that blackmail

00:24:38.500 material on him to continue allowing them to have their operations for money laundering and arms 0.70

00:24:43.260 dealing. You imagine if it came out that the U.S. government was exploiting blackmailing a pedophile

00:24:50.340 so they could use him for other military or intelligence purposes. Yeah. The public might

00:24:55.200 be up in arms to the point where they would want to overthrow the government. So it could be that.

00:24:59.580 But he was a nobody, right? He was a nobody. And then all of a sudden he was this hedge fund guy

00:25:05.220 that made no sense. And so that's why it's hard to believe that he was the one being blackmailed,

00:25:10.680 right? Well, they could have caught him and then they could have used him and then they used it.

00:25:14.980 But also that implies the CIA was like, keep diddling, just, you know, we won't arrest you.

00:25:19.840 But Matt, look, that's within the realm of possibility. Hey, Jeffrey, we're going to use

00:25:25.040 you. And if you ever don't cooperate with us, we're going to release all of this pedo stuff

00:25:29.680 that's going to put you in jail for life. And we're going to use you to launder money

00:25:32.420 to various places, various sources, sell arms to various places, various sources.

00:25:35.780 I'm not saying it's true. It's just conceivable. And if it were, if the American public discovered

00:25:40.500 that their government was actually exploiting of a pedophile for its own intelligence purposes, 0.60

00:25:44.440 they might be sufficiently irritated. That's the point. I think the likely scenario is

00:25:48.980 Epstein was blackmailing other prominent individuals using pedophilia as his attack vector.

00:25:56.880 So Epstein himself seems to have been a diddler based on the evidence we've received. 0.77

00:26:00.660 And then the CIA said, we want you to get other people implicated in your activities to use as

00:26:06.300 blackmail against them. So it's like that that is the that I think that is the general theory most

00:26:12.740 people believe is likely correct. And I'm going to stress, considering all the other conspiracy

00:26:16.640 theories everybody was right about, I was running maybe half of them. Some of them I didn't believe

00:26:21.560 myself. And then the stories came out and they were confirmed. It's like, oh, that was wow. We were

00:26:24.940 they were right about that one. I'm going to go ahead and assume that the Epstein stuff is probably

00:26:29.460 correct. And the one thing I had real quick, sorry, is there was there was a funny there's a

00:26:34.500 couple of comments I saw in response to this story. People are commenting and I rumble saying

00:26:38.740 Trump is 100 percent implicated in this. Well, what the question would be, what is it? What do you

00:26:45.820 mean implicated? Might it mean that there are prominent members of his administration that would

00:26:49.940 be negatively affected by public disclosures? Yeah. I don't believe for a second that you're going

00:26:55.380 to hear some lawnmower going by. I don't believe for a second that that Trump is on the list. If

00:26:59.220 he were, that would have been disclosed years ago. But can you hypothetically imagine that

00:27:05.220 disclosing of Epstein's activities would either reveal that American foreign policy was dictated by

00:27:10.760 blackmail or that American government was using blackmail to coerce foreign policy via the trafficking

00:27:18.420 of underage children? That would be earth shattering. Let me let me ask you a question. So

00:27:23.940 the theory that's presented, I think based on everything we've assessed, it appears that Epstein

00:27:30.340 himself was a diddler. And that includes underage, like pre-mubescent, as well as just, you know,

00:27:37.300 teenage girls. The typical theory as to how he operated was that he would bring on 16 and 17 year old

00:27:44.140 girls claim they were 18 or 19 film someone engaging activity and then say they're underage

00:27:51.040 and we filmed you. We own you now. And so one of the arguments that's come up is Trump doesn't want

00:27:57.520 a prominent businessman to go to prison for hooking up with a 17 year old that he was tricked and was

00:28:03.580 told was of age. So let me ask you that. Do you think like, I still think they should, we should

00:28:09.200 publish it and the public can decide if they go to jail over that or not. That's still illegal. You

00:28:13.660 can't be a 30, 40 year old man hooking up with 16, 17 year olds. To be fair, actually, there are some

00:28:18.400 jurisdictions, I think we're 16 is age of consent. But one of the theories or arguments is that many

00:28:24.560 of these people were thinking they were hooking up with 18 year olds because maybe other sleazy

00:28:29.400 businessmen, but they were actually 16, 17. Should those people be exposed and go to jail?

00:28:34.700 Well, go to jail is a separate thing. Should they be exposed? I can appreciate the arguments for and

00:28:40.940 against. If that's what happened, then the world needs to know what happened.

00:28:44.220 I agree completely.

00:28:45.200 The bottom line, we know that Epstein, unaccounted for how he made his millions, why Lex Wexner,

00:28:51.340 Lex West, whatever his name is, gave him power of attorney over his vast estate. We know that he

00:28:56.140 had, after his conviction, intimate business dealings with Ehud Barak, who visited him like 30 times in his

00:29:02.540 Manhattan apartment, took a million dollars to invest in Ehud Barak's business, which lo and behold,

00:29:07.020 was a live streaming, video streaming, and geolocation service. So you can connect dots,

00:29:12.260 whatever you want there. Ehud Barak, former prime minister of Israel, says he didn't know about

00:29:16.240 Epstein's conviction when they got into business together, where Epstein was giving him a million

00:29:19.880 plus dollars. Horse crap. You know that Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter of Robert Maxwell and all 0.99

00:29:25.380 of his illustrious intelligence ties to the point where Mossad shows up at his funeral after his

00:29:30.580 suspicious death. What was his name? Seymour Hersh, you know, accused him of being a Mossad agent.

00:29:34.920 The whole point is, you know, the way, what was it, Naftali Bennett put out a tweet and said,

00:29:39.920 Jeffrey Epstein never worked for Mossad. All right. Did he work with Mossad? Did Mossad,

00:29:44.600 did any intelligence exploit of or use Jeffrey Epstein for any purpose? The bottom line is,

00:29:50.860 Alex Acosta made that statement years ago. I don't think anybody denies it. The question is,

00:29:55.280 do you believe that he was only sex trafficking for himself and himself only despite Prince Andrew's,

00:30:00.120 you know, clear involvement somewhere along the lines. They're selling us something that nobody's

00:30:05.420 believing because we're not stupid. And the, you know, the 180 that Trump is doing, it's sort of 0.95

00:30:11.080 like a dance. It's a pirouette. Believe the file. He killed himself. We'll release it. It's on my desk,

00:30:18.060 phase one. Then it comes out. We can't release it. Then it comes out. You can't trust the file.

00:30:22.280 And nobody's believing it. And the question is, how do you get out of this situation? If it were

00:30:26.760 just a question of people not believing it, it would be serious enough. But to burn the bridges

00:30:31.260 with an electorate that you need in order to have a margin that is, you know, too big to rig,

00:30:37.520 I sort of, he's taking the worst advice ever, or he's surrounded by too many yes men who are not 0.76

00:30:42.940 saying, Donald, this is a big effing problem, and you're not going to browbeat your way out of it.

00:30:47.940 And I say this with respect and admiration for Trump. It's a bloody miracle that he's with us today.

00:30:53.700 It's a miracle that he's after everything. And now some people are saying, Viva, God chose him.

00:30:59.340 And so let him cook. I was like, first of all, God chose him. God gave him ears to listen to the

00:31:03.380 people that God put in place to elect him into power. And so all of these things, God having a

00:31:07.920 plan doesn't mean that we all sit idly by here while he ostensibly destroys it.

00:31:12.060 Maybe we're part of that plan. Viva, thank you so much for joining and sharing your insights. I do

00:31:16.080 appreciate it. Where can everybody find you?

00:31:17.660 Oh, at Viva Fry. I got the three o'clock slot on Rumble. So Viva Fry,

00:31:21.160 live this afternoon with Susan Crabtree. Tomorrow, Mike Benz is coming on. And Friday,

00:31:25.960 Vince from The Vince Show is going to come on. So it's a big week. And VivaBarnesLaw.locals.com,

00:31:31.600 where a lot of this would not be new to anybody. If you follow our Locals community, it's a good one.

00:31:35.860 Right on, man. Thanks for hanging out. We'll see you next time.

00:31:37.800 Thank you very much.

00:31:38.560 Take care.

00:31:40.600 Viva, always smart on point. Great insights. I was highlighting his tweet. I actually

00:31:44.400 misunderstood his tweet. He was saying, they came out and said, Epstein killed himself. We looked at the

00:31:50.340 files. That's all that's there. And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Why do you believe those

00:31:54.020 files from a corrupt DOJ? Interesting point. We went a little bit over time, but it's cool,

00:31:59.140 my friends. We're going to gear up that raid for our friend Russell Brand, where he's talking once

00:32:05.240 again about the Epstein story. So let's send you guys on your way. Smash that like button. Share the

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - July 16, 2025

Trump NUKES His Own Base Over Epstein DESPITE Agenda VICTORY ft. Viva Frei

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