The Culture War - Tim Pool - Trump Threatens To Use The INSURRECTION ACT, Civil War Is HERE ft. Viva Frei

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00:01:04.160 Well, Viva, I had to bring you in.

00:01:05.940 Obviously, I imagine you saw all the carnage last night.

00:01:09.780 We had a lot of reporting.

00:01:11.820 You know, we were seeing weapons stolen from federal vehicles.

00:01:15.420 We were seeing documents seized and being read off on live streams.

00:01:20.140 The question that everyone's asking, the debate is over the Insurrection Act.

00:01:23.840 Is it time to sort of, you know, enact the Insurrection Act?

00:01:27.720 Obviously, the last time was with George H.W. Bush running the L.A. riots.

00:01:30.800 I was wondering what your take is on that as far as is it time,

00:01:34.640 and maybe more generally what the situation Minnesota is saying about the moment we're in

00:01:37.980 and sort of the left's, you know, if the left still feels like they can operate with impunity or not.

00:01:44.640 It's the sort of the lose-lose of being on the right or being a conservative or being Trump.

00:01:49.940 It's they want him to invoke the Insurrection Act so they can then say this solidifies his rule as the authoritarian that we always said he was.

00:01:58.520 And so they need him to do it, and so they need to provoke it and act in a way that, you know, makes him do it.

00:02:05.220 So they can then say, look at what an authoritarian is.

00:02:07.700 I think at this point in time, the obvious answer is, yes, it's justified.

00:02:12.480 It's justified by Tim Walz's own words, which it's wild.

00:02:17.040 Like when you're talking about war, and we've never been at war with the federal government, 0.99

00:02:21.540 other than the fact that the idiot seems to be, you know, forgetting about the whole civil war thing. 0.98

00:02:26.420 And it's not just like a state fighting federal overreach, and it's not like it's a state fighting for secession. 0.99

00:02:32.680 This is a state fighting for the, I'll put them in quotes, the rights of illegal aliens and arguably invaders. 0.98

00:02:40.360 I mean, this is arguably but not arguably a state saying we are now siding with foreign invaders to fight federal law and federal law enforcement.

00:02:48.860 So it's obvious that he would be justified in doing it.

00:02:52.860 That'll never satisfy the left who will say he's unjustified in using it, and he's the authoritarian that we've been warning about.

00:02:59.000 And look at this, he's acting like Hitler, declaring emergency powers. 0.79

00:03:02.540 But at some point, I mean, this is insanity.

00:03:05.540 It's insanity.

00:03:06.440 And you have state absence of law enforcement, and you have state governors fomenting what is nothing shy of seditious insurrection in the true meaning of the words.

00:03:17.060 Yeah.

00:03:17.480 I mean, because you're getting this general mood across the right.

00:03:19.880 And, I mean, it's almost a cliche at this point where people say, well, I'm, you know, it doesn't matter if they call you racist anymore because they don't mean it.

00:03:26.440 But I understand the impulse from a lot of people where they're like, you know, maybe they want the Insurrection Act.

00:03:32.540 Again, it kind of gives them sort of some, you know, it solidifies their narrative that Trump is, again, this authoritarian or whatever.

00:03:40.100 But on the flip side, it's one of those things that's like they kind of already think that he's this fascist, you know, dictator anyway.

00:03:48.060 At this point, we kind of have to worry about our own affairs, our own interests, and quell this.

00:03:53.720 I mean, this is just absolutely – I was making a point.

00:03:55.780 We didn't even really see this kind of stuff during the summer of love.

00:03:58.560 I mean, it was insane.

00:04:00.320 There was buildings being burned down.

00:04:01.180 But as far as, like, breaking – stealing weapons and seizing documents and reading it off on live streams, I mean, it's insane.

00:04:08.940 You've had people opening fire on ICE agents. 1.00

00:04:11.580 I mean, accidentally killing illegals, which is, you know, the ultimate irony of their stupidity. 1.00

00:04:17.120 The reality is, yeah, they're going to say – they say he's an authoritarian already. 1.00

00:04:20.520 They already liken him to dictators of the past.

00:04:25.440 At this point, history will be written by the victors.

00:04:28.420 And Trump had better make sure to be the victor.

00:04:30.720 And in five years from now, they'll look back on this the way we now look back on the summer of love and say, yeah, chap, chas – chap, chas – chop and chas and these autonomous zones.

00:04:40.420 It was insanity.

00:04:41.220 It was the highest crime that America had had in recent memory.

00:04:45.060 And nobody looks back on it really with fond or adoring memories.

00:04:49.060 This is next level.

00:04:51.300 And the problem is you need to make an example of the politicians who are egging it on. 1.00

00:04:56.940 And they've got their useful idiots, or I say their useless idiots. 1.00

00:05:00.320 They've got their idiots who are hearing their political permission slip and running with it, and it's getting people killed. 1.00

00:05:06.600 And you need to make an example not only of law and order on the streets and enforcement of federal immigration law. 1.00

00:05:12.780 It went from sanctuary cities to fighting openly with ICE agents or federal law enforcement.

00:05:19.060 I mean, it's the Overton window that's moving so far to the left now.

00:05:23.160 They're not only normalizing undocumented migrants, which are illegal aliens.

00:05:27.240 Now they're normalizing not just sanctuary cities but overt war with federal law enforcement, harassing, stalking, doxing, et cetera. 0.99

00:05:36.180 You need to make an example of the people who break the law, and you need to make an example of the politicians who give the political permission slip to their useful, useless idiots to go out in the streets and think that they are morally and righteously justified in violence and doxing and calling for violence against these ICE agents. 0.98

00:05:53.660 Absolutely. You made an interesting point there regarding the Overton window because the sentiment on the right is, well, the Overton window is sort of expanding on the right. 0.94

00:06:01.800 It's expanding in favor of sort of different conservative opinions and these sorts of things.

00:06:07.200 But I think it's just expanding in general because how do you see a quote from Tim Waltz where he's saying they're going door to door and forcing people to turn in their neighbors of color?

00:06:15.740 How do you see a quote like that and not think this guy is effectively, at least inciting, some sort of reaction to ICE?

00:06:23.980 You're putting a target on their back when you say something like that.

00:06:27.320 Well, I mean, the Overton window is moving. It's great.

00:06:30.100 So, you know, people on the right are using the word retarded now.

00:06:32.920 Great. That's one element of the push and the pull of language and the use of language.

00:06:38.300 But the Overton window, I mean, it is wild where the left has gotten so violent and extreme that I don't even know where the middle is anymore.

00:06:48.300 But it's become normalized where, oh, yeah, fight ICE.

00:06:52.740 It's like the new Che Guevara shirt. And now that has been normalized in the eye of the populace.

00:06:57.400 But the bottom line is, I mean, the people who are not just egging this on, instigating it, Jacob Frye, and I hate the fact that his name sounds like half of my last name, you know, get the F out of ICE.

00:07:11.660 Yeah.

00:07:12.360 When does a when does a mayor, he's a he's a yeah, he's the mayor.

00:07:16.060 When does a mayor have the right to basically tell federal law enforcement what federal laws they can enforce?

00:07:21.400 I mean, I appreciate state autonomy and you don't want a federal overreach of the federal government.

00:07:26.040 Sure. But you see how it's gone from sanctuary cities.

00:07:29.820 We won't collaborate with ICE. We won't provide information to ICE to we will actively fight ICE.

00:07:35.080 And now you're telling them to get the hell out. I mean, holy hell, they should be locked up. 0.51

00:07:39.660 Tim Walls and Jacob Frye should be locked up. And there is no shortage of laws with which to do it.

00:07:44.880 You want to talk about inciting an insurrection. I was going to pull the Chuck Schumer and say inciting the erection. 0.88

00:07:50.380 You want to talk about inciting an insurrection and you want to talk about seditious conspiracies.

00:07:54.300 They're saying the quiet part out loud and they think they're at war with ICE.

00:07:59.600 Well, you know, then then war you shall have cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war, whatever the heck the Shakespearean expression is.

00:08:07.400 Go after them with the full force of the law now.

00:08:09.620 It's seditious. It is openly calling for violence and it's actually resulting in violence.

00:08:14.460 And oddly enough, the death of their own citizens. But what do they care about that?

00:08:17.360 They're just going to be the martyrs for their own extremism going forward.

00:08:20.700 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I sympathize with with people, especially after what we endured through code and these sorts of things, who when they see expanded federal power, they get a little queasy.

00:08:29.820 They get a little nervous. I completely sympathize. I understand.

00:08:33.060 And in some cases I'm like, yeah, that's that's a good point. You know, maybe I didn't look at it that way.

00:08:36.640 But in this instance where you quite literally have people that are openly declaring that they they they they effectively overturned the results of the last election, they want to impede sort of the mass deportation operation, which was widely popular.

00:08:53.380 That's what I mean, like the RNC, they were waving signs that said mass deportation.

00:08:57.080 Like that is the staple, really, of the of the Trump campaign.

00:09:00.660 I mean, again, these are policies that are popular, like their majority of Americans support certainly deportation of all illegal immigrants, but based off of a lot of polling we're seeing.

00:09:09.920 So there's a difference between, you know, like a state operating, you know, with some autonomy and these sorts of things.

00:09:15.460 There's between that and the mayor of a city literally siding with people that are openly declaring sort of these insurrectionist ideas.

00:09:23.360 I mean, I just don't know how people can't see that distinction.

00:09:26.540 Well, you know, you're right. People should be afraid of not just federal overreach, government overreach.

00:09:32.180 But there's a difference between federal overreach and lawlessness at the city and state level.

00:09:37.100 This is lawlessness at the state and city level.

00:09:39.680 And it's funny to first of all, ignore the fact that there were more illegals deported under I don't want to say Biden because I'm not sure, but certainly under Obama.

00:09:47.860 And I believe under under Clinton, it's not even a question now of opposing deportation because there have been more deportations in the past.

00:09:56.540 This is a question of promoting lawlessness and promoting and facilitating an invasion of a country.

00:10:01.660 It's you like it or not. And there are obviously going to be stories of tragedy and it's going to look bad from an optics perspective.

00:10:08.240 But, you know, disciplining a child always looks bad from an external perspective.

00:10:12.940 But if you don't discipline a child, they grow up to be spoiled, rotten, dysfunctional adults. 0.89

00:10:17.160 And it looks ugly. It doesn't feel good when you do it, but it has to be done.

00:10:20.580 Otherwise, you raise bad children. You raise, you know, improperly.

00:10:26.240 I mean, I don't know. Curated children is not the right word I'm looking for, but improperly raised children. 1.00

00:10:31.040 If you don't enforce a border, you don't have a country.

00:10:34.400 If you don't enforce the law because it makes you feel bad.

00:10:37.400 Well, A, you shouldn't be in that position in the first place.

00:10:39.680 And B, you will have lawlessness.

00:10:41.460 Yeah. And what you are basically having the left say right now is we have openly participated in creating a problem that we now say is too big to solve.

00:10:48.660 We'll get the F out if you want to talk about getting the F out and understand you have no business, not just in being part of the solution.

00:10:56.040 If you admit you can't, you cause the problem.

00:10:58.100 And now you're not just being not a part of the solution.

00:11:00.700 You are actively opposing the adults in the room who have to find the unpleasant solutions to the problems that you cause.

00:11:06.840 Get the hell out of power.

00:11:08.080 And you want to incite people to get up in arms and literally up in arms against federal agents?

00:11:13.840 You should be charged.

00:11:15.240 And there's no shortage of laws.

00:11:17.320 Get creative, but don't get abusive.

00:11:19.480 And go after Tim Walls and go after Jacob Frye and get some law and order in these Democrat-run hellholes that have so many of their own problems.

00:11:27.600 They can't solve them, so they just go after fighting the feds to ignore and distract from their own incompetent governance.

00:11:33.640 Absolutely.

00:11:34.100 You made a really good point there regarding the optics.

00:11:36.660 We had the writer Patrick Casey on the show on Monday, and he made this point.

00:11:39.980 It's a really interesting point is which, you know, the short-term sort of, I guess, shock and awe effect, for lack of a better word, with the ICE raids and these sorts of things.

00:11:48.220 What you're trying to do there is create an environment that communicates to people that are here illegally, hey, there's a new sheriff in town. 0.96

00:11:54.980 You don't want that to happen to you necessarily.

00:11:56.940 You don't want to have to get dragged out in front of your family or in front of the neighborhood or whatever.

00:12:00.140 So self-deportation is an option.

00:12:01.840 We've done some different incentives to sort of sweeten the deal for self-deportation because the mass deportation procedure or process, the secret sauce is the self-deportation because it's just not feasible.

00:12:13.300 It's just from a logistical perspective for ICE to be banging on the door of every, you know, whatever, to execute every warrant, these sorts of things.

00:12:20.280 Like, these things would require a massive, massive operation that we quite frankly just aren't capable of at the moment.

00:12:26.540 I don't know if we ever would be.

00:12:27.340 There's so many people here illegally. 1.00

00:12:28.580 You have to create the environment that would sort of foster self-deportation.

00:12:33.780 He talked about with Dwight D. Eisenhower's deportation operation that he conducted, the majority of deportations were self-deportations.

00:12:42.280 It were people just looking around saying, hey, I could be, you know, next.

00:12:45.780 I don't know.

00:12:46.260 So I'm just going to go ahead and cut my losses and get out of here.

00:12:49.340 That, to me, seems to be the reality of the optics is, again, it's not optimal to have these ICE agents being put in really dangerous situations.

00:12:57.900 You don't want – I mean, it's a tragedy when anyone gets killed, like, in this situation.

00:13:01.300 I mean, I think it's easy for people to forget.

00:13:03.460 That is a tragedy.

00:13:04.400 Maybe we're a little burnt out by the news cycle.

00:13:06.380 We don't want to have that to happen.

00:13:07.980 The best-case scenario is they just all leave under their own accord.

00:13:11.200 I mean, that's just the best-case scenario.

00:13:12.320 And I don't see how you get there without, again, these sort of short-term shock and awe operations.

00:13:16.780 Well, you call them a shock and awe operation, but barring actual logistical mistakes, like if they detain a U.S. citizen.

00:13:24.080 And I've heard these reports, oh, they detain someone who's a U.S. citizen.

00:13:27.600 Right.

00:13:28.060 And I'm not clear as to whether or not they were naturalized or not to as explain the confusion.

00:13:33.620 First of all, administration of justice is never perfect.

00:13:36.380 And the idea that, well, don't round up any illegals because you might round up by mistake a naturalized U.S. citizen.

00:13:43.020 It's like saying don't lock up anybody in jail because you might lock up an innocent person.

00:13:46.480 You do your best to avoid bystanders or innocent casualties, you know, legal and physical.

00:13:54.700 But it doesn't mean you don't enforce the law because of the human error that goes into it.

00:13:58.100 And it's obvious it is going to be hard and ugly.

00:14:02.500 Right. But that's what it means to have law and order, because the flip side is, well, now you say we can't close the borders because it's too hard.

00:14:08.760 Well, you know, lo and behold, Trump successfully did that in no time at all.

00:14:12.560 And you say, well, now we can't deport the 10 or 20 million illegal aliens that we've let in through our own incompetence because it'll be too hard. 0.97

00:14:18.840 Well, get started by laying down some law and order by creating, you know, potentially some I don't want to say exceptions, but, you know, people who have been here for 20 years are certainly the exception to the rule of what they're trying to administer.

00:14:32.260 But the flip side to that is declaring war on ice and enforcement to federal law, whether you like it or not, is insurrection.

00:14:40.960 It's seditious. And it's like saying, well, I'm going to defend a murderer because you might you might lock up an innocent person.

00:14:46.860 So let's go bust out all of the convicted murders from jail because there's one potentially innocent person there.

00:14:52.000 Congrats. You know what would happen if you do that? You go to jail.

00:14:53.940 Yeah. So we've just we've gone away now from sanctuary cities to not facilitating, to not cooperating with ice, to actively calling for stalking and harassing of ice and now doing nothing to intervene when mobs break into vehicles and steal weapons and documents and docks ice agents online.

00:15:10.680 Holy hell. I mean, that's that's seditious.

00:15:12.840 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. On the first point, I mean, that's that's so true is, again, we don't apply that standard to other laws.

00:15:21.060 Like, it's very obvious that, yeah, like engagements with law enforcement are never optimal, like, obviously, like, duh, because you're seeing a lot of these sort of I guess they call them like the podcast bros or that sort of thing saying, you know, why do these have to be so, you know, aggressive or these sorts of things?

00:15:34.200 And it's like because law enforcement engagements are always that way.

00:15:38.020 That's just if the law enforcement is having to engage, that means something's gone wrong.

00:15:42.220 Like, of course, it's going to be a little ugly, a little rough around the edge.

00:15:45.300 That's just how this works. That's that's law and order.

00:15:48.480 But to your point, I mean, regarding there was the Trump administration or Trump himself statement where he was saying, if these elected officials refuse to comply with federal mandates, it continues to sort of aid these agitators.

00:16:02.300 Then we will have to invoke the Insurrection Act.

00:16:04.660 And then everyone's response was the obvious.

00:16:07.200 What do you mean if it's already happening?

00:16:10.040 That's the kind of the condition that's being created here.

00:16:12.200 No, well, and and you're going to say, well, the courts have now, you know, prevented at least on a stay of the order deploying the National Guard at the state level.

00:16:23.960 So the courts have already spoken on things, which they really haven't, because, you know, the stay on Trump invoking the National Guard or calling in the National Guard a different law, a different set of circumstances.

00:16:33.380 Yeah.

00:16:33.500 But the reality is that there is it's not a hot civil war.

00:16:38.140 And I hate to sound like Tim Poole saying we're in a civil war.

00:16:41.560 Right.

00:16:41.680 There's quite clearly a civil war going on right now.

00:16:44.500 And it's and it's not just states versus the federal.

00:16:47.060 It's blue states versus Trump.

00:16:49.260 And, you know, you have you have governors, mayors who are saying, well, we want federal dollars, by the way, but we don't want to assist in federal law enforcement.

00:16:59.740 I mean, I know you can't do it constitutionally, but that deserves a double barreled middle finger to them.

00:17:04.180 It's like, all right, good luck.

00:17:06.140 You're all on your own.

00:17:07.040 You want to be on your own.

00:17:07.860 You want to like it's like a child who wants his allowance but doesn't want to do the dishes.

00:17:11.680 Well, OK, good.

00:17:12.180 Don't do the dishes.

00:17:13.200 A, you're not getting food.

00:17:14.540 And B, you're sure as hell not getting your allowance, except you've got the court saying, no, no, no, you can't you can't make abiding by federal policy contingent on funding.

00:17:22.320 That's a commandeering, you know, whatever the legal term is.

00:17:26.200 You can't do it.

00:17:27.080 They want to they want to be the independent.

00:17:29.440 Stick it to the men, but keep giving us our federal funds there.

00:17:33.060 You know, there has to be and there will be a coming to a head of sorts.

00:17:37.780 But I would say go after the obvious stuff.

00:17:39.560 When you have Tim Walls, who this is the ultimate distraction. 0.96

00:17:44.240 Tim Walls, I hate to sound cynical, the more people that get killed by by, you know, being motivated by his idiocy, the better for him, because now, you know, people don't talk about these whatever, $10 billion in Somali fraud. 1.00

00:17:56.940 Now they're talking about ICE agents, you know, having killed a woman who was engaging in highly stupid behavior. 0.99

00:18:03.340 Not to say that she I'm not one of those guys that she got what she deserved. 0.99

00:18:06.080 I think it was unfortunately legitimate.

00:18:08.780 But stay the hell out of harm's way and you'll minimize your chances of unfortunate circumstances.

00:18:15.260 But the more people that die, my goodness, it's great for Tim Walls. 1.00

00:18:18.500 He can rally his idiot base, distract them from his own incompetence. 1.00

00:18:22.560 And it's almost like he needs this something of a civil war with the feds to distract from his own incompetent, corrupt governing. 1.00

00:18:29.200 Yeah, but they should start going out.

00:18:31.740 I mean, I don't know if Bondi's sort of getting the wake up call now that the the rumors and they seem to be substantiated rumors that Trump is unhappy with her.

00:18:39.220 This will be her distraction.

00:18:40.420 Let's go after Tim Walls now.

00:18:42.080 And then I can say that I'm doing something as as AG.

00:18:44.560 They need to go after these people.

00:18:46.200 These words have consequences.

00:18:47.420 And they're not they're not empty words.

00:18:50.080 They're not just like generic whatever. 1.00

00:18:53.040 This is real world problems being caused by the leaders giving the political permission slip to their useful idiots to engage in violence. 1.00

00:19:00.580 And that's what we're seeing right now. 1.00

00:19:01.740 Yeah, I mean, that's an excellent point.

00:19:02.920 And I mean, that's been the frustration for a lot of the bases.

00:19:05.720 We want to see some high profile arrests here because these people are having direct.

00:19:11.480 I mean, covid, anyone that lives in a blue state, you are being directly affected by the decisions of the governor.

00:19:17.420 People are very keenly aware that, you know, people have this tendency.

00:19:21.140 It's almost a cliche at this point where they're like, you know, the real thing you should be focused on is like your local elected official, your school board.

00:19:27.180 And that's true.

00:19:28.240 But we're kind of in a moment where the governor actually has a lot of autonomy over your life.

00:19:32.180 Again, that was demonstrated by covid.

00:19:33.980 So people are demanding these high profile arrests, again, not to make them feel good or not for necessarily red meat, but because these people are literally engaging in behavior that is directly harming their constituents. 0.62

00:19:43.880 And certainly if you're a Republican.

00:19:46.180 They're I mean, I'll say it bluntly. 0.89

00:19:49.280 You know, they are unconvicted criminals.

00:19:51.040 You want to talk about undocumented migrants?

00:19:53.440 It's a good one. 0.84

00:19:53.960 Yes, Tim Walls is an unconvicted criminal.

00:19:56.980 Gretchen Whitmer is an unconvicted criminal. 1.00

00:19:59.220 Kathy Hochul, unconvicted criminals. 1.00

00:20:01.040 And the only way they can distract from that is to find a bigger boogeyman.

00:20:04.900 But you are dealing with you are dealing with people who are corrupt at all levels.

00:20:09.500 And right now, you know, I don't think Tim Walls, I think he knows that he doesn't have a political future, but this is at least the interim distraction.

00:20:18.440 You know, they are trying to undermine Trump's administration and Trump's policy at at all costs and with no limits.

00:20:26.760 And so it is time to start holding them not just to the standards that they tried to hold Trump to and his and his whole entourage to the letter of the law.

00:20:35.820 I mean, these people are openly inciting violence, openly supporting it.

00:20:41.540 And it's not a question of free speech or anything.

00:20:44.060 You want to talk about what it means to engage in insurrection.

00:20:49.300 This is what it looks like.

00:20:50.820 When you have when you have governors and mayors, Karen Bass saying we're going to protect illegal aliens and interfere with federal law enforcement. 0.99

00:20:58.300 These are not just words anymore.

00:20:59.580 And these are not just words from citizens.

00:21:01.320 These are words coming from elected leaders who are who swore an oath, you know, to uphold the Constitution, a desecrating it when it came to covid and be, you know, violating the rule of law and order in their not just speech, but in their conduct.

00:21:16.280 And, you know, get creative.

00:21:18.320 Yeah, there are ways to deal with these these politicians legally.

00:21:21.560 Right. I mean, because I agree with Tim's presupposition, which is on this track, it would result in a civil war.

00:21:27.280 Again, what does that look like?

00:21:29.080 Still up in the air.

00:21:29.960 But there's no question. And you made you made a great point, which is it's not even really necessarily blue states versus red states.

00:21:34.860 It's literally just blue states versus the federal government versus the Trump administration, which actually is more of a table set for a civil war, certainly in the American context.

00:21:43.820 But the question is like, OK, if we agree with the presupposition that, yes, on this track, it will result in a civil war.

00:21:49.060 You have to ask yourself, what are the off ramps?

00:21:50.780 How do we prevent that? Because we don't want that.

00:21:52.540 That would be terrible.

00:21:53.800 Well, it looks like a message is sent in Minneapolis.

00:21:56.920 That's the only off ramp as far as my calculation is.

00:21:59.960 Well, I would argue that we are, I believe, obviously and clearly already in a civil war.

00:22:05.420 The only thing is the only comparison or metric that we have for a civil war is the civil war.

00:22:11.280 A different era.

00:22:12.280 It's not going to be the South versus the North and people fighting in the woods of Harper's Ferry in Virginia.

00:22:17.940 This is civil war.

00:22:19.900 Once you started weaponizing the judiciary and weaponizing police against your political adversaries and violence, you have it.

00:22:26.940 It's just this is the the modern day iteration of what a civil war would look like.

00:22:31.460 People are not going to go up in arms in the streets and engage in that type of battle.

00:22:35.220 Although you have those mini type battles out there, you're going to have weaponization of all aspects of the government to try to go after your political rivals and anyone who supports them.

00:22:45.880 I mean, I'd say we were long into the civil war during the, you know, the Fed surrection persecution that lasted four years.

00:22:53.160 We were long into the civil war when they tried to lock up Trump and anyone in his entourage should go after his lawyers for literally forgiving legal advice.

00:22:59.180 So we're in it.

00:23:00.380 And now the only question is forget the off ramp.

00:23:02.120 You have to suppress it and suppress it through law and order.

00:23:05.660 And it'll it'll hurt in some cases and it might look ugly in others.

00:23:10.740 But this is going to be a case of the victors, you know, writing the books.

00:23:15.620 Yeah.

00:23:15.920 And you've got to make sure to win and not win at all costs.

00:23:18.800 Right.

00:23:18.960 You don't I always say you don't defeat the monster by becoming the monster.

00:23:22.480 You've just replaced the monster.

00:23:23.820 Sure.

00:23:23.940 But these people need to suffer the legal consequences of their own conduct and understand what they've been weaponizing can be righteously used against them.

00:23:32.200 And it's about high time that it be done.

00:23:34.060 Yeah, that's a great point.

00:23:34.940 I mean, that's why you're seeing people, you know, a few conservative commentators saying we need sort of a reconstruction style policy again to deal with these blue states. 0.54

00:23:42.180 And then people are like, well, reconstruction occurs after a civil war.

00:23:45.000 And a lot of people are like, what do you think this is?

00:23:47.280 Like if we were to, again, take the off ramp and I mean, not the offering, but if we were to suppress and sort of emerge out of this now, I think I think you're correct is if we look back on this time, we will say, geez, that was really a two parties pitted against each other.

00:24:00.720 And literally, I guess it would be a cold civil war in summer grads, but it's gone to Connecticut other moments.

00:24:04.300 And they'll look back and they'll say, OK, and then that's that's the moment that we sort of averted like a true mass casualties level of of war.

00:24:12.440 But, yeah, I was wondering, yeah, go ahead.

00:24:15.700 Some of some of these judges need to be impeached yesterday.

00:24:18.440 Some I don't know how you can impeach governors.

00:24:20.320 I mean, it's a whole different process.

00:24:22.340 And at some point, I don't know where you start having some open discussions because it doesn't seem that I say that you never get a nod out by continually pulling at both ends of the rope.

00:24:32.680 The flip side is you're literally dealing with at least a large group of people and a large group of politicians that want you in jail, that want you bankrupt, that want you dead.

00:24:44.280 And so the question is, you can't necessarily negotiate with that.

00:24:48.660 And so what you have to do is defeat it legally, judicially, not through unlawful violence.

00:24:55.000 But we haven't even seen that initiative begun yet.

00:24:59.980 And I can point some fingers and say who's been a little bit slow behind the wheel.

00:25:03.600 I think we all understand that right now.

00:25:05.860 But when you have mayors and governors coming out and openly saying F ICE and we're going to actively assist in frustrating federal law enforcement and actively support defending illegal aliens, foreigners, invaders, arguably. 0.74

00:25:21.400 Yeah, if an AG can't find something to do about that legally, find one who can.

00:25:27.420 Yep. Yeah. We can't negotiate our way out of this.

00:25:29.420 You just have to take their statements at face value.

00:25:31.540 Like there's no question about it.

00:25:32.780 Well, Viva, thank you so much.

00:25:33.920 We're running a little low on time here.

00:25:35.640 I was wondering maybe your final thoughts and more importantly, where people can find you for more.

00:25:39.800 My final thoughts are always, you know, the term black pill is going around these days.

00:25:43.740 And I say reserve the term black pill for people who are promoting violence or promoting withdrawal from participation.

00:25:49.540 Spread the word.

00:25:50.260 Don't resort to violence.

00:25:52.080 I mean, it would be great if the left would listen to this as well.

00:25:56.180 But continue to put pressure on the administration to implement and employ all of the lawful, righteous means to get what needs to be done done because time is running out.

00:26:06.180 Where can people find me?

00:26:07.060 Three o'clock today.

00:26:07.840 I'm actually going to have Stuart Rose on from The Oath Keepers.

00:26:10.080 Let's go.

00:26:10.380 Talking about what can be done for Tina Peters and some other issues.

00:26:13.280 But I'm live daily on Rumble at three o'clock and every Sunday across all platforms with Robert Barnes, Viva and Barnes Law for the People.

00:26:20.580 Excellent.

00:26:21.080 Well, thank you so much, Viva.

00:26:22.020 It's always a pleasure having you on.

00:26:23.420 I really appreciate you.

00:26:24.860 Thank you very much.

00:26:25.900 All righty, guys.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - January 15, 2026

Trump Threatens To Use The INSURRECTION ACT, Civil War Is HERE ft. Viva Frei

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