On this episode of Things You Didn t Know You D Missed, Sarah and Sarah talk about the latest in the war on immigration, the recent events in Minnesota, and the potential use of the Insurrection Act by Governor Tim Walz.
00:01:11.820You know, we were seeing weapons stolen from federal vehicles.
00:01:15.420We were seeing documents seized and being read off on live streams.
00:01:20.140The question that everyone's asking, the debate is over the Insurrection Act.
00:01:23.840Is it time to sort of, you know, enact the Insurrection Act?
00:01:27.720Obviously, the last time was with George H.W. Bush running the L.A. riots.
00:01:30.800I was wondering what your take is on that as far as is it time,
00:01:34.640and maybe more generally what the situation Minnesota is saying about the moment we're in
00:01:37.980and sort of the left's, you know, if the left still feels like they can operate with impunity or not.
00:01:44.640It's the sort of the lose-lose of being on the right or being a conservative or being Trump.
00:01:49.940It's they want him to invoke the Insurrection Act so they can then say this solidifies his rule as the authoritarian that we always said he was.
00:01:58.520And so they need him to do it, and so they need to provoke it and act in a way that, you know, makes him do it.
00:02:05.220So they can then say, look at what an authoritarian is.
00:02:07.700I think at this point in time, the obvious answer is, yes, it's justified.
00:02:12.480It's justified by Tim Walz's own words, which it's wild.
00:02:17.040Like when you're talking about war, and we've never been at war with the federal government,
00:02:21.540other than the fact that the idiot seems to be, you know, forgetting about the whole civil war thing.
00:02:26.420And it's not just like a state fighting federal overreach, and it's not like it's a state fighting for secession.
00:02:32.680This is a state fighting for the, I'll put them in quotes, the rights of illegal aliens and arguably invaders.
00:02:40.360I mean, this is arguably but not arguably a state saying we are now siding with foreign invaders to fight federal law and federal law enforcement.
00:02:48.860So it's obvious that he would be justified in doing it.
00:02:52.860That'll never satisfy the left who will say he's unjustified in using it, and he's the authoritarian that we've been warning about.
00:02:59.000And look at this, he's acting like Hitler, declaring emergency powers.
00:03:02.540But at some point, I mean, this is insanity.
00:03:06.440And you have state absence of law enforcement, and you have state governors fomenting what is nothing shy of seditious insurrection in the true meaning of the words.
00:03:17.480I mean, because you're getting this general mood across the right.
00:03:19.880And, I mean, it's almost a cliche at this point where people say, well, I'm, you know, it doesn't matter if they call you racist anymore because they don't mean it.
00:03:26.440But I understand the impulse from a lot of people where they're like, you know, maybe they want the Insurrection Act.
00:03:32.540Again, it kind of gives them sort of some, you know, it solidifies their narrative that Trump is, again, this authoritarian or whatever.
00:03:40.100But on the flip side, it's one of those things that's like they kind of already think that he's this fascist, you know, dictator anyway.
00:03:48.060At this point, we kind of have to worry about our own affairs, our own interests, and quell this.
00:03:53.720I mean, this is just absolutely – I was making a point.
00:03:55.780We didn't even really see this kind of stuff during the summer of love.
00:04:00.320There was buildings being burned down.
00:04:01.180But as far as, like, breaking – stealing weapons and seizing documents and reading it off on live streams, I mean, it's insane.
00:04:08.940You've had people opening fire on ICE agents.
00:04:11.580I mean, accidentally killing illegals, which is, you know, the ultimate irony of their stupidity.
00:04:17.120The reality is, yeah, they're going to say – they say he's an authoritarian already.
00:04:20.520They already liken him to dictators of the past.
00:04:25.440At this point, history will be written by the victors.
00:04:28.420And Trump had better make sure to be the victor.
00:04:30.720And in five years from now, they'll look back on this the way we now look back on the summer of love and say, yeah, chap, chas – chap, chas – chop and chas and these autonomous zones.
00:04:51.300And the problem is you need to make an example of the politicians who are egging it on.
00:04:56.940And they've got their useful idiots, or I say their useless idiots.
00:05:00.320They've got their idiots who are hearing their political permission slip and running with it, and it's getting people killed.
00:05:06.600And you need to make an example not only of law and order on the streets and enforcement of federal immigration law.
00:05:12.780It went from sanctuary cities to fighting openly with ICE agents or federal law enforcement.
00:05:19.060I mean, it's the Overton window that's moving so far to the left now.
00:05:23.160They're not only normalizing undocumented migrants, which are illegal aliens.
00:05:27.240Now they're normalizing not just sanctuary cities but overt war with federal law enforcement, harassing, stalking, doxing, et cetera.
00:05:36.180You need to make an example of the people who break the law, and you need to make an example of the politicians who give the political permission slip to their useful, useless idiots to go out in the streets and think that they are morally and righteously justified in violence and doxing and calling for violence against these ICE agents.
00:05:53.660Absolutely. You made an interesting point there regarding the Overton window because the sentiment on the right is, well, the Overton window is sort of expanding on the right.
00:06:01.800It's expanding in favor of sort of different conservative opinions and these sorts of things.
00:06:07.200But I think it's just expanding in general because how do you see a quote from Tim Waltz where he's saying they're going door to door and forcing people to turn in their neighbors of color?
00:06:15.740How do you see a quote like that and not think this guy is effectively, at least inciting, some sort of reaction to ICE?
00:06:23.980You're putting a target on their back when you say something like that.
00:06:27.320Well, I mean, the Overton window is moving. It's great.
00:06:30.100So, you know, people on the right are using the word retarded now.
00:06:32.920Great. That's one element of the push and the pull of language and the use of language.
00:06:38.300But the Overton window, I mean, it is wild where the left has gotten so violent and extreme that I don't even know where the middle is anymore.
00:06:48.300But it's become normalized where, oh, yeah, fight ICE.
00:06:52.740It's like the new Che Guevara shirt. And now that has been normalized in the eye of the populace.
00:06:57.400But the bottom line is, I mean, the people who are not just egging this on, instigating it, Jacob Frye, and I hate the fact that his name sounds like half of my last name, you know, get the F out of ICE.
00:07:12.360When does a when does a mayor, he's a he's a yeah, he's the mayor.
00:07:16.060When does a mayor have the right to basically tell federal law enforcement what federal laws they can enforce?
00:07:21.400I mean, I appreciate state autonomy and you don't want a federal overreach of the federal government.
00:07:26.040Sure. But you see how it's gone from sanctuary cities.
00:07:29.820We won't collaborate with ICE. We won't provide information to ICE to we will actively fight ICE.
00:07:35.080And now you're telling them to get the hell out. I mean, holy hell, they should be locked up.
00:07:39.660Tim Walls and Jacob Frye should be locked up. And there is no shortage of laws with which to do it.
00:07:44.880You want to talk about inciting an insurrection. I was going to pull the Chuck Schumer and say inciting the erection.
00:07:50.380You want to talk about inciting an insurrection and you want to talk about seditious conspiracies.
00:07:54.300They're saying the quiet part out loud and they think they're at war with ICE.
00:07:59.600Well, you know, then then war you shall have cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war, whatever the heck the Shakespearean expression is.
00:08:07.400Go after them with the full force of the law now.
00:08:09.620It's seditious. It is openly calling for violence and it's actually resulting in violence.
00:08:14.460And oddly enough, the death of their own citizens. But what do they care about that?
00:08:17.360They're just going to be the martyrs for their own extremism going forward.
00:08:20.700Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I sympathize with with people, especially after what we endured through code and these sorts of things, who when they see expanded federal power, they get a little queasy.
00:08:29.820They get a little nervous. I completely sympathize. I understand.
00:08:33.060And in some cases I'm like, yeah, that's that's a good point. You know, maybe I didn't look at it that way.
00:08:36.640But in this instance where you quite literally have people that are openly declaring that they they they they effectively overturned the results of the last election, they want to impede sort of the mass deportation operation, which was widely popular.
00:08:53.380That's what I mean, like the RNC, they were waving signs that said mass deportation.
00:08:57.080Like that is the staple, really, of the of the Trump campaign.
00:09:00.660I mean, again, these are policies that are popular, like their majority of Americans support certainly deportation of all illegal immigrants, but based off of a lot of polling we're seeing.
00:09:09.920So there's a difference between, you know, like a state operating, you know, with some autonomy and these sorts of things.
00:09:15.460There's between that and the mayor of a city literally siding with people that are openly declaring sort of these insurrectionist ideas.
00:09:23.360I mean, I just don't know how people can't see that distinction.
00:09:26.540Well, you know, you're right. People should be afraid of not just federal overreach, government overreach.
00:09:32.180But there's a difference between federal overreach and lawlessness at the city and state level.
00:09:37.100This is lawlessness at the state and city level.
00:09:39.680And it's funny to first of all, ignore the fact that there were more illegals deported under I don't want to say Biden because I'm not sure, but certainly under Obama.
00:09:47.860And I believe under under Clinton, it's not even a question now of opposing deportation because there have been more deportations in the past.
00:09:56.540This is a question of promoting lawlessness and promoting and facilitating an invasion of a country.
00:10:01.660It's you like it or not. And there are obviously going to be stories of tragedy and it's going to look bad from an optics perspective.
00:10:08.240But, you know, disciplining a child always looks bad from an external perspective.
00:10:12.940But if you don't discipline a child, they grow up to be spoiled, rotten, dysfunctional adults.
00:10:17.160And it looks ugly. It doesn't feel good when you do it, but it has to be done.
00:10:20.580Otherwise, you raise bad children. You raise, you know, improperly.
00:10:26.240I mean, I don't know. Curated children is not the right word I'm looking for, but improperly raised children.
00:10:31.040If you don't enforce a border, you don't have a country.
00:10:34.400If you don't enforce the law because it makes you feel bad.
00:10:37.400Well, A, you shouldn't be in that position in the first place.
00:10:41.460Yeah. And what you are basically having the left say right now is we have openly participated in creating a problem that we now say is too big to solve.
00:10:48.660We'll get the F out if you want to talk about getting the F out and understand you have no business, not just in being part of the solution.
00:10:56.040If you admit you can't, you cause the problem.
00:10:58.100And now you're not just being not a part of the solution.
00:11:00.700You are actively opposing the adults in the room who have to find the unpleasant solutions to the problems that you cause.
00:11:19.480And go after Tim Walls and go after Jacob Frye and get some law and order in these Democrat-run hellholes that have so many of their own problems.
00:11:27.600They can't solve them, so they just go after fighting the feds to ignore and distract from their own incompetent governance.
00:11:34.100You made a really good point there regarding the optics.
00:11:36.660We had the writer Patrick Casey on the show on Monday, and he made this point.
00:11:39.980It's a really interesting point is which, you know, the short-term sort of, I guess, shock and awe effect, for lack of a better word, with the ICE raids and these sorts of things.
00:11:48.220What you're trying to do there is create an environment that communicates to people that are here illegally, hey, there's a new sheriff in town.
00:11:54.980You don't want that to happen to you necessarily.
00:11:56.940You don't want to have to get dragged out in front of your family or in front of the neighborhood or whatever.
00:12:01.840We've done some different incentives to sort of sweeten the deal for self-deportation because the mass deportation procedure or process, the secret sauce is the self-deportation because it's just not feasible.
00:12:13.300It's just from a logistical perspective for ICE to be banging on the door of every, you know, whatever, to execute every warrant, these sorts of things.
00:12:20.280Like, these things would require a massive, massive operation that we quite frankly just aren't capable of at the moment.
00:12:46.260So I'm just going to go ahead and cut my losses and get out of here.
00:12:49.340That, to me, seems to be the reality of the optics is, again, it's not optimal to have these ICE agents being put in really dangerous situations.
00:12:57.900You don't want – I mean, it's a tragedy when anyone gets killed, like, in this situation.
00:13:01.300I mean, I think it's easy for people to forget.
00:13:28.060And I'm not clear as to whether or not they were naturalized or not to as explain the confusion.
00:13:33.620First of all, administration of justice is never perfect.
00:13:36.380And the idea that, well, don't round up any illegals because you might round up by mistake a naturalized U.S. citizen.
00:13:43.020It's like saying don't lock up anybody in jail because you might lock up an innocent person.
00:13:46.480You do your best to avoid bystanders or innocent casualties, you know, legal and physical.
00:13:54.700But it doesn't mean you don't enforce the law because of the human error that goes into it.
00:13:58.100And it's obvious it is going to be hard and ugly.
00:14:02.500Right. But that's what it means to have law and order, because the flip side is, well, now you say we can't close the borders because it's too hard.
00:14:08.760Well, you know, lo and behold, Trump successfully did that in no time at all.
00:14:12.560And you say, well, now we can't deport the 10 or 20 million illegal aliens that we've let in through our own incompetence because it'll be too hard.
00:14:18.840Well, get started by laying down some law and order by creating, you know, potentially some I don't want to say exceptions, but, you know, people who have been here for 20 years are certainly the exception to the rule of what they're trying to administer.
00:14:32.260But the flip side to that is declaring war on ice and enforcement to federal law, whether you like it or not, is insurrection.
00:14:40.960It's seditious. And it's like saying, well, I'm going to defend a murderer because you might you might lock up an innocent person.
00:14:46.860So let's go bust out all of the convicted murders from jail because there's one potentially innocent person there.
00:14:52.000Congrats. You know what would happen if you do that? You go to jail.
00:14:53.940Yeah. So we've just we've gone away now from sanctuary cities to not facilitating, to not cooperating with ice, to actively calling for stalking and harassing of ice and now doing nothing to intervene when mobs break into vehicles and steal weapons and documents and docks ice agents online.
00:15:10.680Holy hell. I mean, that's that's seditious.
00:15:12.840Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. On the first point, I mean, that's that's so true is, again, we don't apply that standard to other laws.
00:15:21.060Like, it's very obvious that, yeah, like engagements with law enforcement are never optimal, like, obviously, like, duh, because you're seeing a lot of these sort of I guess they call them like the podcast bros or that sort of thing saying, you know, why do these have to be so, you know, aggressive or these sorts of things?
00:15:34.200And it's like because law enforcement engagements are always that way.
00:15:38.020That's just if the law enforcement is having to engage, that means something's gone wrong.
00:15:42.220Like, of course, it's going to be a little ugly, a little rough around the edge.
00:15:45.300That's just how this works. That's that's law and order.
00:15:48.480But to your point, I mean, regarding there was the Trump administration or Trump himself statement where he was saying, if these elected officials refuse to comply with federal mandates, it continues to sort of aid these agitators.
00:16:02.300Then we will have to invoke the Insurrection Act.
00:16:04.660And then everyone's response was the obvious.
00:16:07.200What do you mean if it's already happening?
00:16:10.040That's the kind of the condition that's being created here.
00:16:12.200No, well, and and you're going to say, well, the courts have now, you know, prevented at least on a stay of the order deploying the National Guard at the state level.
00:16:23.960So the courts have already spoken on things, which they really haven't, because, you know, the stay on Trump invoking the National Guard or calling in the National Guard a different law, a different set of circumstances.
00:16:49.260And, you know, you have you have governors, mayors who are saying, well, we want federal dollars, by the way, but we don't want to assist in federal law enforcement.
00:16:59.740I mean, I know you can't do it constitutionally, but that deserves a double barreled middle finger to them.
00:17:14.540And B, you're sure as hell not getting your allowance, except you've got the court saying, no, no, no, you can't you can't make abiding by federal policy contingent on funding.
00:17:22.320That's a commandeering, you know, whatever the legal term is.
00:17:27.080They want to they want to be the independent.
00:17:29.440Stick it to the men, but keep giving us our federal funds there.
00:17:33.060You know, there has to be and there will be a coming to a head of sorts.
00:17:37.780But I would say go after the obvious stuff.
00:17:39.560When you have Tim Walls, who this is the ultimate distraction.
00:17:44.240Tim Walls, I hate to sound cynical, the more people that get killed by by, you know, being motivated by his idiocy, the better for him, because now, you know, people don't talk about these whatever, $10 billion in Somali fraud.
00:17:56.940Now they're talking about ICE agents, you know, having killed a woman who was engaging in highly stupid behavior.
00:18:03.340Not to say that she I'm not one of those guys that she got what she deserved.
00:18:06.080I think it was unfortunately legitimate.
00:18:08.780But stay the hell out of harm's way and you'll minimize your chances of unfortunate circumstances.
00:18:15.260But the more people that die, my goodness, it's great for Tim Walls.
00:18:18.500He can rally his idiot base, distract them from his own incompetence.
00:18:22.560And it's almost like he needs this something of a civil war with the feds to distract from his own incompetent, corrupt governing.
00:18:29.200Yeah, but they should start going out.
00:18:31.740I mean, I don't know if Bondi's sort of getting the wake up call now that the the rumors and they seem to be substantiated rumors that Trump is unhappy with her.
00:18:47.420And they're not they're not empty words.
00:18:50.080They're not just like generic whatever.
00:18:53.040This is real world problems being caused by the leaders giving the political permission slip to their useful idiots to engage in violence.
00:19:00.580And that's what we're seeing right now.
00:19:01.740Yeah, I mean, that's an excellent point.
00:19:02.920And I mean, that's been the frustration for a lot of the bases.
00:19:05.720We want to see some high profile arrests here because these people are having direct.
00:19:11.480I mean, covid, anyone that lives in a blue state, you are being directly affected by the decisions of the governor.
00:19:17.420People are very keenly aware that, you know, people have this tendency.
00:19:21.140It's almost a cliche at this point where they're like, you know, the real thing you should be focused on is like your local elected official, your school board.
00:19:28.240But we're kind of in a moment where the governor actually has a lot of autonomy over your life.
00:19:32.180Again, that was demonstrated by covid.
00:19:33.980So people are demanding these high profile arrests, again, not to make them feel good or not for necessarily red meat, but because these people are literally engaging in behavior that is directly harming their constituents.
00:20:01.040And the only way they can distract from that is to find a bigger boogeyman.
00:20:04.900But you are dealing with you are dealing with people who are corrupt at all levels.
00:20:09.500And right now, you know, I don't think Tim Walls, I think he knows that he doesn't have a political future, but this is at least the interim distraction.
00:20:18.440You know, they are trying to undermine Trump's administration and Trump's policy at at all costs and with no limits.
00:20:26.760And so it is time to start holding them not just to the standards that they tried to hold Trump to and his and his whole entourage to the letter of the law.
00:20:35.820I mean, these people are openly inciting violence, openly supporting it.
00:20:41.540And it's not a question of free speech or anything.
00:20:44.060You want to talk about what it means to engage in insurrection.
00:20:50.820When you have when you have governors and mayors, Karen Bass saying we're going to protect illegal aliens and interfere with federal law enforcement.
00:20:59.580And these are not just words from citizens.
00:21:01.320These are words coming from elected leaders who are who swore an oath, you know, to uphold the Constitution, a desecrating it when it came to covid and be, you know, violating the rule of law and order in their not just speech, but in their conduct.
00:21:29.960But there's no question. And you made you made a great point, which is it's not even really necessarily blue states versus red states.
00:21:34.860It's literally just blue states versus the federal government versus the Trump administration, which actually is more of a table set for a civil war, certainly in the American context.
00:21:43.820But the question is like, OK, if we agree with the presupposition that, yes, on this track, it will result in a civil war.
00:21:49.060You have to ask yourself, what are the off ramps?
00:21:50.780How do we prevent that? Because we don't want that.
00:22:19.900Once you started weaponizing the judiciary and weaponizing police against your political adversaries and violence, you have it.
00:22:26.940It's just this is the the modern day iteration of what a civil war would look like.
00:22:31.460People are not going to go up in arms in the streets and engage in that type of battle.
00:22:35.220Although you have those mini type battles out there, you're going to have weaponization of all aspects of the government to try to go after your political rivals and anyone who supports them.
00:22:45.880I mean, I'd say we were long into the civil war during the, you know, the Fed surrection persecution that lasted four years.
00:22:53.160We were long into the civil war when they tried to lock up Trump and anyone in his entourage should go after his lawyers for literally forgiving legal advice.
00:23:23.940But these people need to suffer the legal consequences of their own conduct and understand what they've been weaponizing can be righteously used against them.
00:23:32.200And it's about high time that it be done.
00:23:34.940I mean, that's why you're seeing people, you know, a few conservative commentators saying we need sort of a reconstruction style policy again to deal with these blue states.
00:23:42.180And then people are like, well, reconstruction occurs after a civil war.
00:23:45.000And a lot of people are like, what do you think this is?
00:23:47.280Like if we were to, again, take the off ramp and I mean, not the offering, but if we were to suppress and sort of emerge out of this now, I think I think you're correct is if we look back on this time, we will say, geez, that was really a two parties pitted against each other.
00:24:00.720And literally, I guess it would be a cold civil war in summer grads, but it's gone to Connecticut other moments.
00:24:04.300And they'll look back and they'll say, OK, and then that's that's the moment that we sort of averted like a true mass casualties level of of war.
00:24:12.440But, yeah, I was wondering, yeah, go ahead.
00:24:15.700Some of some of these judges need to be impeached yesterday.
00:24:18.440Some I don't know how you can impeach governors.
00:24:20.320I mean, it's a whole different process.
00:24:22.340And at some point, I don't know where you start having some open discussions because it doesn't seem that I say that you never get a nod out by continually pulling at both ends of the rope.
00:24:32.680The flip side is you're literally dealing with at least a large group of people and a large group of politicians that want you in jail, that want you bankrupt, that want you dead.
00:24:44.280And so the question is, you can't necessarily negotiate with that.
00:24:48.660And so what you have to do is defeat it legally, judicially, not through unlawful violence.
00:24:55.000But we haven't even seen that initiative begun yet.
00:24:59.980And I can point some fingers and say who's been a little bit slow behind the wheel.
00:25:03.600I think we all understand that right now.
00:25:05.860But when you have mayors and governors coming out and openly saying F ICE and we're going to actively assist in frustrating federal law enforcement and actively support defending illegal aliens, foreigners, invaders, arguably.
00:25:21.400Yeah, if an AG can't find something to do about that legally, find one who can.
00:25:27.420Yep. Yeah. We can't negotiate our way out of this.
00:25:29.420You just have to take their statements at face value.
00:25:52.080I mean, it would be great if the left would listen to this as well.
00:25:56.180But continue to put pressure on the administration to implement and employ all of the lawful, righteous means to get what needs to be done done because time is running out.
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