The Culture War - Tim Pool - Trump Will Declare Antifa FOREIGN TERRORIST Organization, Leftists PANIC ft. Captive Dreamer

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00:00:30.000 Yeah, I think they're just so invested in mass immigration.

00:00:33.540 I mean, really, that is like this sort of the shelling, like that's what they're,

00:00:37.020 if you could really reduce down to left, it's like they're all in on mass immigration, mass migration,

00:00:41.880 and ICE is like the one obstacle, you know, other than say people like Stephen Miller.

00:00:48.060 That's the one obstacle to that, and I think that's just like their most important,

00:00:52.080 they've decided that that is what they're all in on.

00:00:54.160 Hey everyone, Tate Brown here holding it down for Tim Pool.

00:00:56.680 I've got a great interview with TheCaptiveDreamer, prominent ex slash Twitter poster, legendary poster.

00:01:03.300 He's here to discuss leftism, Hassan Piker, what's going on with all of that.

00:01:08.720 It was a great interview.

00:01:09.580 He really, we really get down in the weeds, so make sure you watch till the end.

00:01:12.660 It's really fantastic stuff.

00:01:13.980 Look, a lot of people are going to know who you are.

00:01:15.600 You're a prominent poster, but for the audience, people in the audience that maybe don't know who you are,

00:01:19.120 maybe you could give a quick introduction to who you are, what you do.

00:01:20.900 Yeah, I guess I'm just kind of an internet, a notorious internet troll, some may say, an internet poster.

00:01:30.860 I guess I've always kind of posted, I've enjoyed posting, but the thing that got me on the map was the sort of the Haiti Springfield stuff

00:01:38.580 that got picked up by the Trump campaign, which I'm pretty proud of.

00:01:41.920 But that's kind of my big claim to fame, if you were my 15 minutes.

00:01:45.320 Yeah, I mean, that was a beautiful, and that kind of really showed the power of posting.

00:01:50.260 I mean, for people in the audience who maybe don't remember, the Trump administration, or sorry, the Trump campaign

00:01:55.300 kind of going into the 2024 election, it did feel like the energy was down a little bit.

00:01:59.540 It's like we needed a little oomph.

00:02:01.200 And then out of nowhere, this story comes out, out of Springfield, Ohio, where these Haitian migrants

00:02:06.660 that have just been dumped in the city of Springfield were eating cats and dogs inexplicably.

00:02:11.780 And it was in large part because the Captive Dreamer here was shining the spotlight on it.

00:02:17.040 And the next thing you know, we're watching the debate, it comes up, and then we're eating the dogs, we're eating the cats.

00:02:22.760 It was within like three or four days.

00:02:24.760 It had gone from just like a post on the internet to right on the presidential debate stage.

00:02:30.200 So it was pretty – they were betting on it on Pauly Market.

00:02:33.100 You could bet on whether Trump was going to mention it.

00:02:35.280 So it was pretty cool.

00:02:36.100 Yeah.

00:02:36.280 Well, I wanted to bring you in specifically to talk – we saw yesterday a really, really white-pilling moment

00:02:43.500 where Trump, he's obviously meeting with a lot of prominent conservatives in kind of a roundtable discussion.

00:02:48.540 They're talking about leftist violence, Antifa, how we should deal with it.

00:02:52.760 And I can't remember the journalist that brought up asking him about designating Antifa as a foreign terrorist organization.

00:02:58.740 And Trump kind of asks the room, he's like, what do you guys think?

00:03:01.180 Is this a good idea?

00:03:01.840 Obviously, Jack Posobiec, Patriot.

00:03:03.400 But he says, yeah, it's a great idea.

00:03:05.560 And Trump just kind of taps the room.

00:03:07.360 That's really, really exciting because I think that really opens us up to treating Antifa like Al-Qaeda.

00:03:12.580 I know you have a lot of thoughts on how Antifa should be dealt with.

00:03:15.440 I mean, I was wondering what your reaction was to that yesterday.

00:03:18.440 Well, it's good because the important thing is to go after these networks behind the scene, right?

00:03:23.500 I mean, you can't just go after the individual actors.

00:03:25.460 It's really about this, you know, the Soros-funded networks that are bailing these people out, that are getting them to go in and, you know, riot and protest.

00:03:33.880 And so this opens up a lot more tools to go after.

00:03:37.480 Because I don't know, I posted about this recently, but, you know, organizations like the Canadian government, they fund these sort of Antifa-adjacent groups to do op-ed, like research hit pieces on people.

00:03:48.620 They did it on me too, but they're funded by the government.

00:03:52.320 So this allows, you know, opens a lot more doors to countering that kind of influence, which is notoriously difficult to get to.

00:04:01.860 Yeah.

00:04:02.340 And it's like something when you really see these people get unmasked, you see a particular strain of human being that you don't really encounter in everyday, or maybe we do encounter in everyday life, but we don't see that side of them in everyday life.

00:04:12.880 I mean, something that was really exemplifying this was this video that's been circulating over the last day or two of streamer Hassan Piker, obviously a friend of the show.

00:04:26.020 This is alleged, so like I don't want to get like, you know, I don't know, sued if you can get sued for this.

00:04:30.260 This is alleged, obviously, but it appears that his dog had a shock collar on and he like moved from the designated wholesome camera spot that like looks really good on camera.

00:04:39.100 And then he just zapped him like, like Palpatine or Mike Pence or something like it was really wild.

00:04:44.220 I mean, does that just kind of exemplify what kind of people were dealing with here or what?

00:04:49.660 I mean, I know you have some thoughts.

00:04:51.440 Well, it was funny too, is that dog sits there.

00:04:53.680 I mean, I've never watched this show, but someone did a time lapse and the dog sits there for like four hours straight, like in the one spot.

00:04:59.900 Right.

00:05:00.420 It was the one time it moved.

00:05:01.600 But a lot of these people weaponize this type of empathy or whatever political empathy that they go into, like communism or socialism, whatever.

00:05:10.600 But really what it is, is it's like a way for them to justify their sort of like resentment and their envy and hatred and turn it into something that makes it look less obviously negative.

00:05:21.100 You know what I mean?

00:05:21.460 Like, so, so instead of saying, well, I hate the world and I want to destroy everything, you can kind of couch it or you can kind of hide that behind a mask of, of being good person, you know, being a hecking good person.

00:05:31.740 Right.

00:05:31.920 That's what I always hear from these guys.

00:05:33.240 And, you know, the same person saying be a good person is openly celebrating political assassinations and, and making memes mocking Charlie Kirk.

00:05:40.600 Right.

00:05:40.740 So that's the same type of person.

00:05:42.200 The same personality is, is there behind the scenes.

00:05:44.680 And then the Piker is a great example. 1.00

00:05:46.800 Like he's like the example, I mean, the best example of that.

00:05:50.580 Yeah.

00:05:50.980 Yeah.

00:05:51.140 Totally.

00:05:51.400 I mean, cause that's really where the pushback really has begun is like John Doyle makes this point all the time.

00:05:58.740 Um, Patriot where he talks about how there's this tendency on the right to want to just go back to like the 1990s, right.

00:06:06.040 The 1980s, 1990s.

00:06:07.360 But he makes this point of like, look, if you really want to exterminate leftism, you can't just ratchet it back to like an earlier form of liberalism and not expect like the outcome to be leftism.

00:06:16.120 Cause that's just going to be the case every single time.

00:06:18.660 Um, and I think that's a great point.

00:06:20.980 And that's what I kind of see with what we're seeing now with, I think this strain of thinking, this ideology has, or it has existed for well over 50, 60 years.

00:06:29.280 And it's just now they're so emboldened probably because they've accumulated so much institutional power that they feel like they're just allowed to say things like that.

00:06:37.960 And I think people are finally seeing like, oh, this has been there the whole time.

00:06:40.900 It's just now they're finally saying it out loud.

00:06:43.740 It's like this.

00:06:44.620 It's like the stuff with the great replacement theory that they say, well, it's not happening.

00:06:49.060 But then when you kind of show that it is happening, well, they say, well, it's actually good that it's happening.

00:06:52.500 And so, yeah, we have reached a period where there's been so little pushback for so long and, you know, every major social media platform has propped these people up, right?

00:07:00.880 I mean, Twitch has basically stuck by Hassan Piker interviewing terrorists, doing all kinds of stuff.

00:07:06.700 Everyone, you know, the left has been in control of Twitter, of all these things for so long.

00:07:11.700 And now it's just, they're realizing, okay, well, you know, are we the bad guys?

00:07:16.620 It's almost like they're having this moment where we've been saying this terrible stuff for so long and got in the way with it.

00:07:20.620 And now there's this really big cultural pushback after, especially after the Charlie Kirk assassination that people are realizing, okay, these are actually just like really bad people.

00:07:30.000 Yeah.

00:07:30.460 Yeah, totally.

00:07:31.540 Well, something that's been really interesting to me in the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk assassination is actually the reaction was almost more shocking to me because I kind of expected leftists to react that way, if I'm being honest.

00:07:44.140 I mean, I know a lot of people were shocked because they knew some of these people personally.

00:07:47.380 So that's obviously, you know, my heart goes out for those people because you think you know someone, that sort of thing.

00:07:52.220 But I was a little bit more surprised at the reaction for people on the right.

00:07:56.380 They seem to be so quick to let, like, the left off the hook for this.

00:08:00.440 Like, we have this opportunity to really finally break this that's been tormenting us for decades.

00:08:05.500 And there was this tendency to immediately absolve the left.

00:08:09.680 And I don't know if it was intentional.

00:08:10.760 I don't know if they're saying, I'm going to sit here and I'm going to make sure, like, the leftists don't get punished.

00:08:13.700 But they immediately, like, looked for alternative explanations.

00:08:16.560 Like, you know, maybe Israel did this.

00:08:18.280 Maybe it was an inside job.

00:08:19.500 Or, you know, maybe Qatar did.

00:08:21.260 You know, you're seeing all sorts of these explanations from people on the right.

00:08:23.840 And that's what really surprised me.

00:08:25.240 I don't know if you're seeing the same stuff.

00:08:26.480 It's kind of an outgrowth of what happened during COVID, right?

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00:08:58.020 COVID was very good in terms of shattering the trust in the expert class, right?

00:09:03.700 They kind of lost all of their credibility for many reasons.

00:09:07.340 And what that did is that opened the door to sort of democratizing explanations for things, which led to conspiracies and all these things.

00:09:16.060 And not, you know, not all conspiracies are wrong, but there's this tendency almost to want to go towards the most complicated possible, most convoluted explanation possible.

00:09:26.780 And whether or not they intentionally were trying to sort of take away the blame from the left, that's the outcome or the effect of trying to say, well, no, it wasn't Tyler Robinson.

00:09:36.800 No, he didn't, you know, it wasn't his transgender roommate, all this stuff.

00:09:40.620 So whether that's the intent or not, that's the outcome and that's the effect of it is to say, well, and if you go into Blue Sky, actually, you'll find a lot of people on Blue Sky leftists who are saying the same type of thing, right?

00:09:52.140 Like that's Israel or the Zionists or it was, you know, this corrupt FBI hit job.

00:09:57.440 And because they know that they can get away with, you know, deflecting the blame.

00:10:02.640 Yeah.

00:10:03.400 I mean, Israel stuff seems especially kind of interesting to me because the attack vector that people on the right are using, there's like a lot of fair criticisms of Israel.

00:10:13.540 I mean, I'm in no means an Israel shill.

00:10:16.420 I'm kind of like with Tim.

00:10:17.780 I just kind of am fairly ambivalent on the issue.

00:10:20.280 I actually kind of use Connor Tomlinson.

00:10:22.000 He has a great line on it.

00:10:22.880 And I totally agree is I just really want what Israel has. 0.98

00:10:25.580 But for Americans, like if we could just create an American version of Israel, I'd be okay with that. 0.94

00:10:31.320 But some of the like attack vectors people on the right are using are like leftist arguments.

00:10:36.060 Like they're talking about international law or they're like saying, well, you know, they're like appealing to like human rights violations and these sorts of things.

00:10:43.500 And I'm like, okay, sure.

00:10:45.280 But that's just not really, that's not a vector of attack that's threatening to the liberal world order in any meaningful way.

00:10:51.300 Yeah, that's an issue actually I talked about at length right after the October 7th attacks.

00:10:57.040 And it gained me a lot of a lot of enemies on the Internet right.

00:11:00.480 But I was basically trying to say like, you know, you can criticize Israel without adopting the frame of the left, right?

00:11:05.780 Without adopting this sort of language that's going to get you. 0.51

00:11:08.960 It's going to get you allies in terms of like the third world or the Muslim world.

00:11:13.400 But those are the same people who will then not give you like if you talk about crime or immigration, they're not going to be on board with you on that stuff at all.

00:11:20.880 And so that's that's kind of what I was warning people is that you can build a coalition with these people.

00:11:24.300 But if you're an American patriot or European patriot, whatever, it's going to backfire spectacularly when it comes time to ask these people to give you, you know, some support on your issues of again of the border of immigration of these things.

00:11:38.500 And we've seen now that that's kind of exactly what's happened, where they've been sort of cannibalized by the audience that they've cultivated.

00:11:46.280 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you're seeing that even with Americans.

00:11:50.160 I mean, obviously, we'll talk about it more in a little bit, like with the third world.

00:11:53.300 But even with Americans, we had this really sort of delicate coalition going into the election of like the brocasters, I think is what the media is kind of termed, like, you know, Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn, Tim Dillon.

00:12:05.480 And, you know, they had their issues.

00:12:07.020 Maha was really big for them. And, you know, as it should, that's a really important issue.

00:12:10.900 I mean, I obviously am very Maha.

00:12:13.720 And they were kind of like maybe they're a little bit on legal immigration.

00:12:16.400 They maybe hadn't thought about it that much.

00:12:18.000 And then so as soon as these videos start coming out of, you know, the more physical interactions ISIS having to have with the what the illegals are trying to deport, detain, they flake immediately and they freak out. 0.99

00:12:30.260 And they're like, this is surely there's another way to do this.

00:12:33.200 The line I always hear is, do we really have to do the high school graduations?

00:12:36.020 And I'm sitting here like, yeah, we kind of do.

00:12:38.600 I mean, what did you think mass deportation looked like?

00:12:41.560 Vibes? Essays?

00:12:43.660 Well, what's interesting is that, you know, that's sort of televised and public and commented on.

00:12:48.360 But what's not is, you know, I didn't I don't really remember Rogan and maybe I'm wrong or Theo Vaughn talking about sort of the mass warming of the border under Biden.

00:12:56.440 Right. The people like lining up at the border, getting fed by these NGOs, getting brought in, committing crime.

00:13:02.980 You know, it's very easy to sort of pinpoint one specific event of like a nice guy who's tackled somebody.

00:13:09.600 But if you're if you're going to do that, then I better have been seeing you for the past four years complaining about the millions of people that flooded the southern border, which which I don't think they have.

00:13:19.300 And so it seems a little a little sort of cowardly to me.

00:13:23.360 I understand, you know, sort of the reticence that some of these people have, and especially like someone like Theo Vaughn.

00:13:28.060 He's like, man, he's like, I don't want to get shot.

00:13:30.220 But that kind of shows you that there's this this leftist that he's afraid of the left.

00:13:33.900 Right. There's this heckler's heckler's veto almost where he's he's willing to kind of make little snide jokes about, oh, Israel, don't take me out or the FBI, don't take me out.

00:13:42.040 But he's really afraid of, you know, of some sort of crazed leftist sass.

00:13:47.460 And that's at the end of the day, that's what he's afraid of.

00:13:49.140 So until that gets kind of under control, I think you're going to see people still try and have one foot in both camps and say, well, you know, I supported this, but I don't want the excesses, which which aren't really excesses.

00:14:00.140 They're framed in a way that's tried to make them look bad.

00:14:02.300 Right. That's all it is. So that's a great point, actually, that, yeah, he makes these like, don't kill me, don't kill me.

00:14:07.280 But he would never say like, hey, Antifa, don't kill me, because it's like they would actually see that as like an invitation or something.

00:14:13.840 Right. Yeah. Well, Tim.

00:14:15.560 So Tim caught a lot of flack for this position he took on the show like a week or two ago where he was kind of criticizing the ICE agent's propensity to mask.

00:14:25.040 They often mask to protect their identities.

00:14:27.280 But he made a point in this argument.

00:14:28.700 I think it was actually a really good point that a lot of people missed because they were very upset with this point.

00:14:32.300 With this take, rather, he said part of it is that it's so unacceptable that we're nine months into a Trump administration and we haven't sufficiently broken the left enough where Antifa officers still fear like they should be able to operate with total impunity.

00:14:45.280 And you kind of alluded to it with Theo Vaughn, like where he's afraid to kind of make jokes in that certain sector is it really does show how entrenched this leftist power is and how everyone knows that they're willing to go there.

00:14:58.740 They're willing to use political violence if they don't like what you have to say.

00:15:02.180 Well, the mask thing, too, like if you're familiar at all with like cartel country or stuff from Mexico, I mean, the federal police in Mexico will, you know, the real heavy hitters will wear masks.

00:15:12.900 And specifically it's for that reason, right, because they know the cartels are going to take out their family or whatever.

00:15:17.960 So it does show, again, that the threat is real and we need to be, you know, nine months to me.

00:15:26.200 I mean, I'm a survivor of the Trump one term where we had all the expectations in the world and everything kind of conspired against it.

00:15:33.940 So I'm a little more willing to to be patient just going forward.

00:15:38.540 But it is obviously something that needs to be dealt with long term going forward, for sure.

00:15:43.020 So I would I would consider you you'll deny this because you're a humble man, but I would consider you like one of the more tastemakers, I would say, on kind of the right wing.

00:15:51.320 Like, I think a lot of people do, you know, look to your takes as kind of guidance on it's like what's a style, a style chart.

00:15:58.660 Is that what the AP sends out to the press?

00:16:01.020 Oh, yeah.

00:16:01.420 But you've emphasized the importance of like, OK, it takes a while to reorient a lot of these institutions towards the right because they've obviously been used to what they've been weaponized against the right for so long.

00:16:11.620 So it obviously takes a bit of time.

00:16:12.800 Me as a Zoomer, I'm 24.

00:16:15.660 So I was 14 when Trump came down the escalator.

00:16:18.760 So I don't really remember a GOP prior to Trump.

00:16:22.980 So I don't know.

00:16:23.640 Do you do you have maybe what's your what's your sort of, I guess, message to Zoomers that are kind of dissatisfied with the past?

00:16:31.420 The pace of Trump's policy implementation, because it's very, very vehement on the right.

00:16:36.260 I just anecdotally in my circles, people are always complaining.

00:16:39.920 It's totally understandable.

00:16:40.800 But you have to remember at the end of the day that personnel is policy.

00:16:43.580 Right.

00:16:43.800 And so personnel is what you want to be replacing.

00:16:47.060 And for so, you know, Biden basically gutted these institutions and replaced all of all the patriots, you know, whether it was in the military or whether it was in the FBI or whatever, and basically filled it with these leftist agitators, Democrat Party, you know, apparatchiks, whatever.

00:17:02.200 And so, you know, you can you can turn things around.

00:17:05.900 But if you have people below you who are not willing to carry out the policy or will sabotage you.

00:17:11.540 And I think I'll segue that back into the Trump one campaign or Trump one term, because that was really what happened there.

00:17:17.340 I mean, you had Trump won, but the GOP was still completely hostile to him.

00:17:21.920 Right. They were still stuck in this sort of Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, this old school, you know, cut taxes and big business like it was it was very boring.

00:17:30.920 It was very hard to get excited about politics.

00:17:32.640 I think that's why when Trump came down, you know, a lot of us were like, oh, wow, finally, you know, finally, we're going to get somewhere here.

00:17:39.540 And then what happened was his own party sort of stifled him.

00:17:44.080 The Democrats, you know, put him under investigation the entire time.

00:17:47.680 And so it was it was a disappointment, not because they weren't trying to do the right things, but I don't think they were prepared for the level of of how entrenched the interests opposing them were.

00:17:59.240 And I think now with the second term, it does seem like they're, you know, especially people like Stephen Miller, they're much more aware of of getting the right people in the right places so that they can they can do what they want.

00:18:11.220 And, yeah, I mean, again, I'm willing I'm much more willing to be patient.

00:18:15.080 It's been eight years.

00:18:16.300 It's been an eight long year since since that.

00:18:18.720 But, you know, I'm I'm hoping for I'm cautiously optimistic.

00:18:22.420 I'm always cautiously optimistic these days because the messaging is great.

00:18:25.080 The messaging is absolutely fantastic.

00:18:26.880 And so DHS could be a mutual for all anyone knows.

00:18:31.380 Yeah, it's great.

00:18:33.380 Something when I mean, it's kind of the steer back to kind of how we opened up the conversation.

00:18:38.260 What is it I've been I've been kind of diving into this this the last few days on the show.

00:18:42.420 What's specifically about ice?

00:18:44.720 Is it that animates the left and these these hard left agitators?

00:18:48.880 There's something specifically out of all the agencies that pose a threat to their life, their livelihood rather not their life, but their their their lifestyle for one HHS taking their seed oils and soy away would have massive implications on them.

00:19:00.200 But you never really see much vitriol towards HHS beyond like kind of like little snippy comments.

00:19:04.680 But something about ice specifically really motivates them to go all out and like literally risk their lives.

00:19:11.700 What do you think?

00:19:12.440 What do you think is going on there?

00:19:14.780 That's a million dollar question, honestly, because they're not even that vitriolic towards the police or even even customs and border patrol.

00:19:21.560 Remember, there was that famous picture of the the guy lassoing the migrants on a horse.

00:19:27.880 Right.

00:19:28.040 That was just pretty kino. 0.83

00:19:28.920 Yeah.

00:19:29.320 And there was they were angry about that, but they're not angry enough to go out and, you know, protest and follow their cars.

00:19:36.360 I think.

00:19:37.280 Yeah, I think I think they're just so invested in mass immigration.

00:19:40.700 I mean, really, that is like this sort of the shelling.

00:19:42.700 Like, that's that's what they're if you could really reduce down the left.

00:19:45.840 It's like they're all in on mass immigration, mass migration.

00:19:48.780 And there's and ice is like the one obstacle, you know, other than, say, the say it's people like Stephen Miller.

00:19:55.260 That's the one obstacle to that.

00:19:57.020 And I think that's just like their most important.

00:19:59.320 They've decided that that is what they're all in on.

00:20:01.480 And so they're threatened.

00:20:03.760 I mean, I think they're genuinely threatened.

00:20:04.920 And that's, you know, the optics of picking people up off the street does kind of hit home.

00:20:09.600 It kind of makes it more real.

00:20:11.060 Right.

00:20:11.320 Like the police don't do that.

00:20:12.560 The police, you know, they'll arrest someone in the midst of a burglary or go talk to someone at the door.

00:20:18.420 But there's something about ice just like grabbing somebody and saying, you know, you don't belong.

00:20:21.900 You don't belong here.

00:20:22.840 Right.

00:20:22.980 Maybe that's what it is.

00:20:23.940 You don't belong here.

00:20:25.320 Right.

00:20:25.820 And it's and it's so true.

00:20:27.760 I mean, yeah, because I was talking to Richie McGinnis yesterday, Total Patriot.

00:20:32.060 Great guy.

00:20:33.220 I was talking to him on the show yesterday and we kind of came to this.

00:20:36.240 We made this point about Portland and he pointed this out as like it's the whitest city metro area in the United States by far.

00:20:43.000 It is a very, very, very white city.

00:20:45.440 And then it also is the point I made is it also happens to always be the hotbed of leftist activism.

00:20:51.340 And, you know, for whatever.

00:20:52.540 I don't want to get into like the anthropology of their like politics or that sort of thing.

00:20:56.240 Richie actually did a great job breaking it down.

00:20:57.700 But there is something kind of ironic about how Portland being the whitest city, it's almost like it's the hub or the haven for anti-white or self-hatred, because that ultimately seems to be what drives a lot of this vitriol against ICE is their sort of slavish devotion to mass immigration. 0.77

00:21:16.380 They kind of want to get replaced in their own country.

00:21:19.140 And you see this also in Britain.

00:21:20.300 You see it in Germany.

00:21:21.020 You see it in France.

00:21:22.160 They just that's the one thing that really seems to motivate them. 0.96

00:21:24.760 And maybe that's why Portland, you have a you have a high concentration of sort of self-hating white people. 0.60

00:21:29.460 It's going to they're going to organize. 0.83

00:21:31.180 They're going to organize rapidly.

00:21:32.260 Well, in the end, with Portland, too, the very interesting thing is that they had like the most recent legacy, like with the Ku Klux Klan.

00:21:40.020 So there is like a pretty recent in recent memory.

00:21:43.480 There's a history that goes back there.

00:21:44.540 So I think a lot of it is this.

00:21:46.720 It's almost like a penance, right?

00:21:47.920 This sort of self-loathing this.

00:21:49.780 We have to atone for the sins of of our ancestors, you know, real or imagined.

00:21:55.520 Right.

00:21:55.660 And then that manifests in, you know, the camp of the saints.

00:21:58.880 I mean, the involvement books recently released that.

00:22:01.520 It's a fantastic book.

00:22:02.640 Everyone should read it.

00:22:03.160 Connor Tomlinson did a great review on it, too.

00:22:04.860 He did.

00:22:05.180 Yeah, yeah, he did.

00:22:05.860 Actually, I did read that.

00:22:06.740 And it's a it really does explain the sort of the psychology of the guilt behind all of this.

00:22:11.120 And it's, you know, you can't really you can't even really reason people out of it.

00:22:15.300 That's the kind of interesting thing is it's just so ingrained.

00:22:17.740 It's just yeah, it's very Portland is a hotbed.

00:22:21.320 It's been like that for years and years.

00:22:22.920 It's just now becoming sort of a national disgrace.

00:22:27.440 Yeah.

00:22:27.960 I mean, well, that's that's that's the thing.

00:22:29.940 And it's it's a tough it's a really tough kind of position to come to is kind of giving

00:22:35.840 up on debate because that's what we've prided ourselves on.

00:22:38.400 Like, I actually I think it's appropriate to give Ben Shapiro his flowers because he really

00:22:41.940 is the one that made conservatives realize how important it is to engage in polemics and

00:22:47.600 like truth and debate and these sorts of things.

00:22:49.460 So I want to give him his flowers.

00:22:50.300 See, he was the first person that really brought that to the Internet and like institutionalize

00:22:53.460 that.

00:22:53.640 And I think there's something there and but there's something kind of sad about giving

00:22:57.860 up on the facts.

00:22:59.240 Don't care about your feelings sort of mentality and kind of realizing like you're not really

00:23:04.220 going to out debate.

00:23:05.300 You're not going to debate an Antifa member and like convince them.

00:23:08.700 It's just they're they want to kill you like people like that's really hard for people to 0.61

00:23:13.200 accept and kind of sort of conceptualize is like, oh, no, he just wants to kill me.

00:23:17.680 He doesn't he views me as like a belligerent, not like a debate partner.

00:23:22.060 Well, you saw we saw that with the reaction to the Charlie Kirk stuff, right?

00:23:25.500 People started to see that, OK, even the average sort of lib was like gleefully celebrating

00:23:31.020 it or doing some sort of tongue in cheek, you know, mocking it, sort of this derisive

00:23:35.120 mocking.

00:23:35.760 And so it's you know, I guess you can sort of convince people on the margins and the debate

00:23:40.840 when you debate someone, it's always for the audience, right?

00:23:42.980 I mean, yeah, you're always trying to win over the audience through pathos and rhetoric

00:23:47.800 and this sort of stuff.

00:23:48.840 You're not really trying to convince the other person.

00:23:51.700 But so I think that's still effective.

00:23:54.260 That's still a good thing to do.

00:23:55.900 You just have to realize that a debate can really only happen when there's some sort of

00:23:59.320 common ground.

00:23:59.940 And, you know, and there's really no common ground between us and these kind of people.

00:24:04.080 Yeah.

00:24:04.840 Well, let's say let's let's kind of maybe give some projections the next few months.

00:24:09.800 What because there's this moment after after the Kirk assassination where a lot of people

00:24:14.800 are actually comparing it to like the post 9-11 era, where it really feels like how Bush

00:24:19.060 had a mandate after 9-11 is Trump sort of as a mandate after the shooting to clean this

00:24:24.140 up, to mop this up.

00:24:25.920 We're seeing it with the foreign terrorist organization.

00:24:28.020 What are some kind of things that you need to see from the Trump administration to really

00:24:31.840 fully put a lid on the far left political violence that we're enduring?

00:24:35.820 I think the main the main thing and the most important thing is just going after the networks

00:24:40.360 behind the scenes like it's not glorious.

00:24:42.380 It's not flashy.

00:24:43.340 You know, you're not going to get those clip worthy scenes of arresting people.

00:24:47.660 But what you're going to do is you're going to take down the financial incentives that

00:24:51.660 these people have to do what they do.

00:24:53.360 I mean, think about the average person going to a riot like a protest.

00:24:56.860 Let's say like say you're like a 30 year old guy, your family guy, you got a job, you

00:25:00.960 know, getting arrested, you could mean you lose your job, you can't go to work, you have

00:25:06.140 to pay a lawyer, you get you could get a criminal charge.

00:25:09.060 And now you're sort of a black spot on your record.

00:25:11.460 None of these people seem to worry about that because they kind of know that they're going

00:25:14.340 to be taken care of at the end of the day.

00:25:15.840 Right.

00:25:16.140 And I think that removing that sort of incentive for them is going to be huge going forward

00:25:23.540 because you're going to get these people to start to be afraid to go out and afraid

00:25:26.740 to get arrested and afraid to, you know, get abandoned by their, by their Antifa handlers

00:25:32.520 or whatever.

00:25:33.160 And I think that's, that's to me, the most important thing.

00:25:35.760 I mean, that kind of seems to be more important than even the successful implementation of

00:25:40.720 policy is creating the environment.

00:25:42.740 Like with immigration, it's almost like you just want to create the environment that anyone 0.99

00:25:46.140 could get deported at any time.

00:25:47.820 And that'll actually prompt self-deportation.

00:25:50.200 It's like, ultimately, even if you're like the most, you know, if you love watching the

00:25:54.200 ICE raids and these sorts of things, even that person, which there's a lot of us around,

00:25:58.120 would admit that self-deportation is the most preferable because it's just like, A, it's

00:26:02.400 not on our dime and B, you don't have a video.

00:26:04.780 So it's almost like creating the environment is more, much more important than the actual

00:26:08.360 implementation.

00:26:09.980 Well, I mean, Biden created, like the Biden regime created an environment where people

00:26:13.640 felt very comfortable to come across the border and get everything they wanted.

00:26:16.840 Right.

00:26:17.000 So it's just creating that reverse.

00:26:19.120 Like there was an incentive to come, right?

00:26:20.620 There was this like huge incentive to come knowing that you're going to be paroled if you're on

00:26:23.940 the TPS program or these sorts of things, you're going to be brought into, you know,

00:26:28.560 wherever in the middle of the country.

00:26:30.120 Whereas now the environment is like, you're not welcome and you could be sent home at any

00:26:33.680 time.

00:26:33.980 And that not only has a chilling effect on the people in the country, but there's a chilling

00:26:37.920 effect across these networks where now people are not going to be able to shill, you know,

00:26:43.620 human trafficking as easily as they used to be able to, because it gets down.

00:26:47.400 I mean, through, you know, WhatsApp channels, through family channels, it gets down to these

00:26:50.840 people that look, this is not as welcoming as it once was.

00:26:53.720 And you shouldn't risk, you know, your 5,000 us dollars or $10,000 to try and come across.

00:26:59.820 Do you think that, do you think this environment could get Hassan Piker denaturalized and deported?

00:27:04.960 I mean, cause that's ultimately the goal.

00:27:06.500 That would be, I mean, that would be a pipe dream.

00:27:09.880 I would, I would be, uh, I'd get a Trump tattoo on my back if that happens.

00:27:13.200 So I'll get, I'll get a maggot tattoo for sure.

00:27:15.260 Yeah.

00:27:15.480 That happens.

00:27:15.920 But, but he, you know, he kind of like, so he was born of a, so from what I understand,

00:27:21.540 I, I barely remember his background.

00:27:23.240 His mother was like a professor here and then he was born here.

00:27:26.940 Like neither of the parents, I don't think were citizens.

00:27:29.200 And then they moved.

00:27:30.140 So he got citizenship at his birth and then they moved back to Turkey for most of his life.

00:27:34.840 So like, nobody thinks this guy's American.

00:27:37.060 It's this sort of paper fiction.

00:27:38.780 Yeah.

00:27:39.200 And so the hope, the hope is that if you're a paperwork American, the paperwork can just

00:27:43.680 be revoked.

00:27:44.500 So we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll hope for that going forward.

00:27:47.140 Yeah.

00:27:47.340 He's kind of the epitome.

00:27:48.580 Like when you're making the case to someone that's maybe unfamiliar with the issue, Tim

00:27:53.320 cast viewers are, you know, clued in on this kind of thing.

00:27:55.380 But to people that don't know the anchor baby issue very well, I think you can just show

00:28:00.040 them Hassan Piker as kind of an explanation for like maybe why birthright citizenship isn't

00:28:05.080 the best idea.

00:28:05.980 And then they can kind of just put the pieces together themselves.

00:28:08.240 Like, Oh yeah, yeah.

00:28:08.780 We should probably like make sure that never happens again.

00:28:10.660 It's just such an insane position to think that you could be born of two non-citizens, 0.99

00:28:16.480 say like your mother's not here on like a student visa, she's studying.

00:28:20.020 And then your father's like on a work visa.

00:28:21.740 And all of a sudden you're, you've become American just by virtue of being born. 0.60

00:28:24.960 You know, it's, it's when you actually like frame it like that and you break it down like

00:28:28.320 that.

00:28:28.680 Yeah.

00:28:28.880 I think most, most people like got good faith.

00:28:31.360 People will be like, okay, that's, you know, that seems like a broken system to me.

00:28:34.880 Yeah, totally.

00:28:36.080 Well, Martin, dude, we're kind of, we're kind of running out of time.

00:28:38.040 I just want to say, do you have any, maybe final thoughts and where people can find you

00:28:40.980 to get more?

00:28:43.120 No, no final thoughts.

00:28:44.100 I'm just an internet guy.

00:28:45.200 Just a, just an internet troll just on, on Twitter, I guess on X.

00:28:48.320 Yeah.

00:28:48.800 I just dead named it, but yeah, that's what we do.

00:28:51.320 That's what we do.

00:28:51.860 We do.

00:28:52.100 We do a little dead naming, you know, it happens.

00:28:54.520 But dude, thank you so much.

00:28:55.660 Thanks for coming on.

00:28:56.920 Well, I guess we'll catch you next time.

00:28:58.580 Yeah.

00:28:58.860 Thanks.

00:28:59.180 Have a good one.

00:28:59.700 You too.

00:29:00.980 All righty.

00:29:01.800 Well, that was the captive dreamer, a legendary, legendary poster.

00:29:06.020 Obviously, I think in large part, it should get us flowers for getting the, getting the

00:29:12.260 Trump administration, you know, sort of reoriented.

00:29:14.880 We were describing it earlier at the beginning of the story.

00:29:16.580 Like, yeah, I remember kind of going, I was like, oh, the energy's a little low for Trump.

00:29:20.260 I mean, like, this is Trump here.

00:29:21.880 He's so enigmatic and that sort of thing.

00:29:24.220 And dude, yeah, that hate, that Haiti moment. 0.70

00:29:27.760 And they're in the debate.

00:29:28.720 They're eating the dogs.

00:29:30.080 They're eating the cats. 0.98

00:29:31.140 And Kamala thought it was the most ridiculous thing ever. 0.98

00:29:33.660 She's cackling. 0.92

00:29:35.120 And then you go and you look at what people are saying, like on Facebook.

00:29:38.280 And they're like, yeah, they are.

00:29:39.360 Here's a, here's a picture of it.

00:29:40.580 Like, they actually are doing that.

00:29:41.840 And of course, all the press scrambled to debunk it right away.

00:29:44.480 No, no, no, no, no.

00:29:45.680 He wasn't.

00:29:46.100 He was kissing.

00:29:46.760 He was kissing the duck.

00:29:48.100 He wasn't eating it.

00:29:49.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:29:49.720 So, so it was a beautiful one.

00:29:52.760 And it was, yeah, in large part, in large part due to, due to the Captive Dreamers.

00:29:57.900 So, let me see here.

00:29:59.100 We're going to raid.

00:30:01.080 We got a raid scheduled that I was informed about.

00:30:05.580 Let's see.

00:30:07.720 DeVorey Dawkins, I believe, were raiding today.

00:30:10.480 I don't see, I don't see his, I don't see him have a live stream up.

00:30:14.920 Oh, wait.

00:30:16.220 Oh, no.

00:30:16.520 It says live on the thumbnail, but he's not live.

00:30:19.720 So, I don't know.

00:30:20.820 I'll, I'll link it in there if it goes live here.

00:30:24.900 But, yeah, we'll be back tonight for TimCast IRL.

00:30:27.000 We'll have a great show tonight for you.

00:30:28.720 It's going to be fantastic.

00:30:29.760 So, you'll want to be here at 8 p.m. on the nose.

00:30:33.820 Be ready for it.

00:30:34.780 We'll have another guest host tonight.

00:30:36.000 It's very exciting.

00:30:37.460 With that, you can follow me on X and Instagram at Realtate Brown.

00:30:42.420 Come hang out.

00:30:43.460 Thanks for letting me hold it down this week.

00:30:45.120 I think we, you know, we got it across the finish line.

00:30:47.100 We're slowly getting, you know, getting, getting adequated.

00:30:50.460 I did the opening monologue yesterday.

00:30:52.180 I don't know what you guys thought of that.

00:30:53.220 Maybe you can give me some thoughts if you liked it.

00:30:54.680 If you don't, if you want me to stick with more of the loose style.

00:30:57.140 Hey, that's what I'm here for, for TateCast.

00:30:59.400 It's audience driven.

00:31:00.400 We're a family.

00:31:01.140 You know, we're here, family.

00:31:02.080 It's Olive Garden.

00:31:03.500 So, yeah.

00:31:04.480 Follow me there.

00:31:05.220 And I don't know when I'll see you guys again.

00:31:06.720 Probably on IRL.

00:31:08.060 I think I'm on IRL Friday.

00:31:09.260 So, yeah.

00:31:09.760 We'll see you there with that.

00:31:11.220 Thank you very much.

00:31:17.100 Thank you.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - October 09, 2025

Trump Will Declare Antifa FOREIGN TERRORIST Organization, Leftists PANIC ft. Captive Dreamer

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