UK May Be On Brink Of CIVIL WAR Over Migrant Crime ft. Winston Marshall
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Winston Marshall, host of The Winston Marshall Show on BBC Radio 4, joins us to talk about the rape of a 15-year-old girl by two men who stole her virginity in the middle of her GCSE exams.
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We are back and we have the great Winston Marshall.
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Well, I'm sure people in the audience are well aware of who you are, but maybe for those
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who aren't, could you give a quick intro of who you are, what you do?
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I'm host of the Winston Marshall Show, which is a British political commentary show.
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Not only do we interview all of the wrong thinkers this side of the pond, I should say, but we
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And I've been doing this now for about a two-year birthday as a show.
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Before that, I had a career in the music industry.
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I was a founding member of the band Mumford & Sons, which I did for 14 years.
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I, this year, went and played with Oliver Anthony down in North Carolina.
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I went and played on the Kill Tony show when he came to London.
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So, I still do music, but most of my time now is on the show trying to work out what's
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I should say this, in America, there's a very healthy alternative media landscape where,
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Now, it's gone off the fucking deep end with some of the nut jobs and the conspiracy theories
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Having said that, it is the case, nevertheless, that you have a podcast sort of ecosystem where,
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as well as the nut jobs, you have a lot of people who are genuinely pursuing the truth.
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In Britain, what happened was, you have the mainstream media, very similar to yours,
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and then all of the podcasts that dominate the charts, dominate advertising space, and
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dominate the ear and airwaves of the people are actually mainstream media adjacent.
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They have exactly the same world view, news agents, rest is politics.
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So, basically, the ecosystem of alternative opinion, that that is not of the corporate media,
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media is much smaller still, and even within podcasting is much smaller.
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And the situation in our country is much worse than it is in America.
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It's a bit like what America would like had Kamala won.
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So, that's a little bit about what we're trying to do and what's going on.
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And the issues that people care most about and we're most worried about, well, this free
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speech is certainly a big part of it, which I could talk to you at some length about.
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But this story that I think you brought me on to speak about really speaks for the real moral decay
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of my country. And this is another example of asylum seekers coming in and brutally raping young
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miners. In this case, in a town called Leamington Spa, which is not too far from Stratford-upon-Avon,
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where William Shakespeare was from working. And basically, beautiful, idyllic England,
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the Shire, if you will. And this young girl, aged 15, was raped by two 17-year-old Afghans
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who had come here illegally via small boats across the channel. One at the end of last year,
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one at the beginning of this year. Both of them were 17. And they stole this poor girl's virginity.
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She was in the middle of her GCSE exams, which is the most important exams, which obviously,
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it's completely put her out of whack. And she's even reported as such. They haven't reported a
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name, but she has made short statements to the media and her mother as well about how distressing
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this whole thing is. And a horrible video of it went online. And, you know, this is not the first
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time and I can talk to you about this sort of history of this happening. But just, I mean,
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a couple of things just to show how outrageous this really fucking is. And I'm sorry to curse,
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but it's really heinous. In court, the lawyer defending one of the Afghans,
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and this is, this lawyer is called Joshua Radcliffe and defending one of them is called
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There are cultural differences. He is not used to a society where women are free and deemed equal
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to men. He is not used to a society where alcohol is freely available. He is morally at sea. There
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are massive cultural barriers that have become massive moral barriers. But he may make a life for
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himself in this country eventually. Now, he's been sentenced to nine years and 10 months. The other
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perpetrator, or I should say rapist, has been sentenced to 10 years and eight months. To make
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things all the more ridiculous, the next day, the other side of the country in Bolton, which is just
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north of Manchester, Manchester in the news two months ago, because a certain jihad al-Shammy, Syrian born,
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murdered Jews at a synagogue in an Islamist attack. The same city you'll remember from 2017.
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At an Ariana Grande concert, two dozen young girls and kids were brutally murdered in an Islamist
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attack by a second generation Libyan migrant. I'll come back to that because that was,
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that could have been prevented and wasn't prevented because someone saw the attacker and thought,
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because he had brown skin, he didn't want to be accused of racism. So he didn't step in and do
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something. That shows you the political correctness literally kills. I'll come back to that again
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with regards to the rape of Britain. So the next day after this story is repeated, reported in the
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Times in Bolton, near to Manchester, another Afghan, this time a 28 year old, also an asylum seeker,
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illegal migrant. This one's called Sultani Bakatash, born in 97, raped two teenage girls this weekend,
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or he's been charged with it at least anyway. And this comes, look, why it's important to Americans.
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I remind you last week that an Afghan immigrant, a legal immigrant, killed a National Guard in DC,
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Sarah Beckstrom, another one remains in critical condition, and at the same time down in Fort Worth,
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another Afghan was stopped in an attempted Islamist attack, which he bizarrely announced on TikTok,
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and that was thwarted and foiled, fortunately. It is the case that Afghans do not have the same
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culture as us in the West. Whether they came here legally or illegally, it is clear, as even the
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lawyer defending them in court will say, they do not have the same culture as us. It gets worse.
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Afghans are 22 times more likely to be convicted of sexual offences than British citizens.
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Afghans. That's according to the Center for Migration. I actually did a whole episode with
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this about the guy reporting on this, if you want to see on my show, this guy called Robert Bates.
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In Germany, this was a couple of years ago now, back in 2021, there was a young politician,
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early 27-year-old, called Marie-Thérèse Kaiser, who was fined. She was part of the AFD party. She
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was fined for citing government statistics about Afghans in Europe. She cited the government
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statistics, and she was fined 6,000 euros for this, because it was inciting hatred.
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That, despite being 0.4% of Germany's population, Afghans overrepresented in sexual offences. In 2021,
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they accounted for a significant share of the 677 reported gang rapes. Some analyses claiming Afghans
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were 70 times more likely to be suspects than native Germans. Not all cultures are equal. And this is
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the great fallacy that progressives have been telling us for decades. This doesn't come out of nowhere
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in our country. This isn't in a vacuum. This is after decades of migrants, be they legal or illegal,
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targeting young British girls because they were white, because they were kafir, because they were not
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Muslim. Now, predominantly this has been perpetrated by those of Pakistani men from a very specific part
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of Pakistan. So not even all of Pakistan. And this began... So in Britain, we didn't really have much
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immigration from South Asia until after the war, really until the end of the 40s, beginning of the
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50s. And almost immediately then, you have reports, not just in the police, but in the papers, of
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South Asian men grooming young girls. Now, over the decades, this has amounted to tens of thousands,
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probably hundreds of thousands of young girls, some of them not just brutally gang raped, but some of
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them horrifically murdered. One guy, one of the perpetrators gloated in court about chopping up the
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girl and putting her in the kebab meat of his shop. This is the most heinous crimes against humanity
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and it's all the more offensive because none of it had to happen. Look, every population has
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their heinous criminals. Every population has the heinous mass murderers and pedophiles.
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It's all evil and we must call it out. But in this case, these people, we've invited them in.
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Now, when I go to your country, when I go to any country, even when I go to, well, maybe especially
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when I go to a Muslim majority country, I'm on best behavior. I respect this country. And look,
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if I went to Afghanistan, it doesn't mean I'm going to start doing as they do and raping and
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treating women badly as they do. Within reason, I will respect the laws of the local country,
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the local culture. I'll respect it. These people are not. They're coming to our country.
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Most of them are coming illegally, but not all of them, as was the case in DC. He came legally. So
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we've got to talk about legal migration as well as illegal migration.
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But this is another kick in the balls for us. It's really, I mean, a mountain of offences, but
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they're fleeing, not Afghanistan. They're not flying here from Afghanistan. They're coming here from
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France. There's no war in France. They are not fleeing anything. They're coming here because,
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truth be told, they're not asylum seekers. They're economic migrants. That's what they are. They want a
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better life because here there's bloody good welfare. There's a bloody good system where they
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know they can come here. They get pretty good cash. Now, I can talk to you about the system,
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about how they're coming over and the sort of new techno feudalist state that's arriving. But at the
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very core of all of these issues is the fact that not all cultures are equal. And we have been importing
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on mass on an unprecedented scale in history. Young men from cultures that are not compatible with us,
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and they are literally murdering and raping our daughters.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm really glad you made that point that not all cultures are equal because
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in this post-war consensus that we've had all across the West is this, this has been the point
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that they've been trying to sell us on. And we get data point after data point coming in,
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anecdote after anecdote, story after story, screaming, this is not true. This is false.
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This is objectively false. President Trump was making this point yesterday in his rally in
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Pennsylvania. We covered it in the opening of the show. As he emphasized over and over again,
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like, hey, you know what? It'd kill us to take some migrants from like maybe Norway or Denmark,
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these countries that have a culture and overall a sense of morality that would sort of seamlessly
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assimilate into the United States. But instead, we keep insisting on bringing people from countries
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like Somalia, from Afghanistan, from Haiti, countries that their population has demonstrated
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over and over again are incompatible with the way we conduct our affairs in America.
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It's absolutely ridiculous. And so to your point, if you're, if you're, you know, in the British public
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and you're, you're looking at this, because I mean, you made the point that illegal and legal
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migration is the issue here. How else can you view the government's relationship with you other than
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hatred? Because they continue to import these people and the British people over and over
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again have voted to reduce migration at every step. And that's, according to polling, seems to
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be the primary issue in Britain and in America. And not just they, not do they just ignore it, but
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they keep the, they keep cranking the faucet up. They keep, you know, they keep pouring on more and
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more gasoline onto the fire. We, I know I saw your interview. That's where I met you when you came
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over and you came on our show and you interviewed, um, interviewed Tim and he made the point that like,
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look, this is going to lead to civil unrest. There's no question about it. So if the government can't at
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the very least do the right thing for morality sake, to prevent these horrendous, uh, horrendous crimes
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from occurring at the very least, they should be like, Hey, this is going to destabilize our government.
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If we don't get a, you know, get a grip on this. You're absolutely correct. And it already has.
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And I'll explain, but before I do, let me just add some points to some, some of the good points
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you made. You've had a problem with your Somalis up in Minnesota. Yeah. And there's various problems
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there, not least the corruption problems under, um, Tampon Timmy and he's not just a billion dollars.
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Now it turns out it's many billions that have been going to Al-Shabaab out in Somalia, all quite in the,
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in the, um, not foreknowledge of those Somali Americans, um, uh, up there in Minnesota, but
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Somalis over index when it comes to FGM, female genital mutilation.
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We have this problem in Britain. We never had a problem of female genital mutilation. We've
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had a problem of cousin marriage, by the way, about 500 years ago. And then we outlawed it.
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Now we've been imported that positive problem of cousin marriage, particularly when, when it comes to
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the Muslim, um, well, or actually a Pakistani Muslim problem, but the Somalis, there's now in
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the hundreds of thousands of cases of FGM in our country. And there's a similar problem going on in
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America. Uh, and there's been some campaigns to try and make it illegal because Somalis, Eritreans,
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East Africans have this problem. It's not all of the Muslim world, by the way, it's just
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these different cultures have different traditions and we are importing those traditions into the West.
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Now you have a fantastic president who immediately after the DC incident outlawed or put a moratorium,
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I should say on all immigration from third world countries, because he understands not all
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cultures are equal. But to your point, the position of importing everyone is actually the position that
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increases the likelihood of social unrest and social disunity.
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For every lefty, every progressive, every one of these post-war consensus types
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who are going to deny a link between ethnicity and culture and these crimes.
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Well, they can play that game, but if they're really going to be proponents of mass migration,
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they have to tell us how many rapes and murders at the hands of these people. Is it okay?
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Yeah. Because if we know there's only a percentage of people, of migrants are going to commit crimes,
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what percentage? And what percentage is it okay? How many should we tolerate? If they make the argument
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that, well, all populations have a certain percentage of pedophiles, and they do, and mass
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murderers, what percentage should we import? And if these, like the Afghans, who have up to 70 times
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more likely to be suspects of gang raping, how much gang raping should we tolerate in Germany? How much
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gang raping should we tolerate in Britain and America? I think we need to know the answer to that. But
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you make a very good point about the social unrest, and this has already happened in Britain.
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It started famously in a place called Knowsley in 2023, beginning of 2023, I think January, February.
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And there was a migrant hotel where, so the government, this is a whole other story, the
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government were shuttling all the illegals into various migrant hotels around the country,
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at considerable expense of the taxpayer, by the way, eight million pounds a day. And
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they were putting them in these places, usually in undesirable parts of the country,
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read working class, poorer parts of the country, because they wanted to not be near them. So
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they didn't have to deal with the problem of these African, Afghan men. By the way, they're not women
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and children, very, very few. It's Afghan men of military age. And so what happened in Knowsley is,
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one of the migrants was filmed making a pass at a young teenage girl, I think she was 15. That video
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made the rounds online. And it was reported in some media, but not mainstream media. It was
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reported on GB News, and they played it. But actually, the mainstream media seemed to deny it.
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They were like, no, it's misinformation. And we were like, we're watching the video on our phones.
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What do you mean it's misinformation? We can see it's happening. The police, I think they arrested
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someone and then let him go. And so what happened was all of the local men started rioting outside the
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migrant hotel, tipping the police fans, because they're like, what the hell is going on here?
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Why are these men going after our daughters? And by the way, it's our responsibility as men
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to protect the women in our families, the women in our community. So the men were doing the righteous
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thing. Now, they might have gone too far with it. But I agree, they probably went too far with it.
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But who am I to speak? If I was in that situation, the anger flowing through my veins,
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The media then, having not really reported on the initial crime of the migrant, reported on this
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whole story as the far right up in Noseley, which is just outside of Liverpool. They're on the march,
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they're on the rise, because look at all this crime they do. Now, that was beginning of 2023.
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Fast forward to 2024. It's a month into Sakhir Starmer's premiership as prime minister.
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And you have the famous Southport killings, very close to Noseley up in Liverpool. This is a
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young guy called Axel Rudicabana, murdered three children at a Taylor Swift dance party,
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and stabbed many, many others, murdered the three, the three girls. And the whole country
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were sort of glued to their foot, glued to X, because we couldn't trust the mainstream media
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to report on this properly. So we're like, what the hell is going on?
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And there was a righteous anger that blew up across the country. There were a lot of protests
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and vigils that were contained and respectful. But there was also some unsavoury, unpleasant
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escalations where those rioters were angry, surrounded other migrant hotels. They'd had enough,
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because we've experienced this with the Pakistani rape gangs for decades. This is a pent up anger of this
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country that's blowing, blowing up. So we saw a kind of escalation from Noseley to Southport.
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And I do believe our country, I mean, through this summer, again, we had another bunch at Epping.
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There's so many of these stories that are so bloody mental, you wouldn't even believe them.
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Here's the latest one, actually, just as it comes to mind is in Epping Hotel, there's an Ethiopian
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illegal immigrant being kept, everything is in Essex, just like east of London. And an Ethiopian was
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kept in this hotel. And he was arrested because when he was out, he went up to a teenage girl and
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made some sort of sexual advance at her. So they eventually arrested him for doing that. And then
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he they accidentally let him out of prison. They just let him out. So then he was roaming around
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all over the place. After a couple of days, they found him and they eventually deported him. So by
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the way, they can deport if they actually want to. Yeah. Instead, they're putting more putting them all
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in the illegal. They should be deported immediately. They shouldn't set foot in our country. But the point
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is, as to Tim's point about, you know, social unrest, and your point about social unrest, the pro mass
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migration movement is to be pro social unrest. There isn't an example of in history when you on
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scale, bring together different groups, and expect them to live side by side when they're so drastically
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different, that it goes well, I actually don't know any situations like that. So yeah, hopefully,
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there can be change. But this stuff has to stop. And yeah, there is a serious threat of increased
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social disunity. Some people are talking about civil war. I'm not completely convinced that that's
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possible. I think it's possible. But it's not completely convinced it's likely or probable yet.
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But it's it's something it's a conversation that's been had at least. Yeah, well, I mean,
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to your point, I mean, look at Europe in the previous in the pre war period. I mean, these were
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cultures very similar to each other, going at it, you look at Africa now, where, you know,
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people point out, oh, well, the borders were drawn arbitrarily, and they they lumped different
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tribes together, neighboring tribes go at it. So it's like, how do you expect people from across
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the world to cohesively assimilate into Western society? And beyond that, I want to ask you, Winston,
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let's just let's just grant the post war consensus argument, these people really are blank
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slates, these people really are just interchangeable. And let's just say,
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hypothetically, that these people coming from Afghanistan or wherever across the third world,
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specifically, or these economic miracles, let's just say they actually overperformed the British
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native British population. Let's just hypothetically grant that even then, what sort of the demographic
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change in these places? Is that still not up for debate? I mean, I think it's a very valid concern
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for the English to want Birmingham to still resemble England and the Scottish to want Glasgow to
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resemble Scotland and the Welsh to, you know, for, you know, Swansea to resemble Wales. I mean,
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is that even even if we granted everything else? Is that to me, that seems like it's still a valid
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It's certainly a concern, but we should be specific about what it is we're concerned about. So
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you've mentioned a couple of things that the post war consensus, we should actually drill down on
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what that exactly that is to be precise. And then you mentioned blank slate ism. I actually don't
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think blank slate ism is what they think the post war ideologues. It's not about blank slate ism what
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they believe among as well as the sort of car popper open society ideology. What they believe is that all
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people, this is a progressive fallacy, all people want the same thing, which is to get along, have
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families, thrive, prosper, live good long lives. Okay, that's, that's the fallacy. That's not blank
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slate ism. I think that's worth bringing out because people are bringing up this blank slate stuff. And
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maybe you want to push back against me and tell me why you think I'm wrong, seeing as you brought up
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blank slate ism. But I think the specific issue is this idea that everyone just wants the same thing.
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That's just demonstrably not true. Not only do different civilizations, different countries,
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different people want the same things, like between nations, as is clear, like, you know,
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the Islamic world does not want the same thing as the Christian world. But even within countries, we
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don't all want the same things. Look at America, you know, half the country still hate Trump, half the
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country think Democrats are ridiculous. So it's just not true that we all want the same things. It's not true
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that not everyone wants a family. A lot of us do. But not everyone wants that not everyone wants
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their countries to prosper. Some of them want the destruction of their country, of their own
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country. So that's just not true. And I think that's the actual fallacy that is that is force feeding
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this dilemma. I agree that there's a postwar dogma, that it's kind of a car popperism, this false
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dichotomy of the good things are democracy, free speech, freedom, liberalism, and the bad things are
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Nazism, fascism, religion, nationalism. Now, I happen to agree that Nazism and fascism are evil and bad
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things. I don't want them. I also happen to agree that freedom, liberty, free speech are good things.
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But I don't agree that nationalism and religion are bad things. And so that's part of the popper
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dichotomy. But it's an important part because they don't, these people are anti-nationalist.
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They're anti-nationalism is always, when I was growing up, you'd never say you're a nationalist.
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It's different now, but you'd never say it because it was a dirty word. And because it's sort of
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associated with ethno-nationalism and with the Second World War with the Nazis. But that's not
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what nationalism, that is a very specific, that's Nazism. Nationalism is wanting the best for your
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nation and not necessarily at the expense of others. In fact, even the Oxford English Dictionary defines
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it as the expense of others. No, that's jingoism. That's not nationalism. So anyway, these words,
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I know it's semantic and we're going to get bored in it, but it is part of this ideology that's built up
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that means that we've imported rapists en masse to our country. And then there's some people who
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genuinely hate the West and they're importing these people to undermine it. So this is kind of a whole
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bunch of things happening at once. I'm not sure if that answers your original suggestion, question.
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No, no, that was great. Yeah, no, I totally agree. I mean, yeah, there's probably a deeper conversation
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we could probably go into, again, sort of on the motivations of the post-war. But no, I mean,
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I certainly agree. That's a good point that just the priorities are misaligned, if that's not obvious
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by the way that these people conduct themselves once they arrive on the shores of Britain.
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With that, we are running low on time. Winston, if you had any final thoughts and where people can find
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you to get more. Final thoughts are things probably get worse before they get better. But don't give
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up on Britain. We're very grateful for all of the support that you Americans are giving us. And, you
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know, we see you guys calling it out on X and we see you guys calling out on social media. And we're
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grateful for it because there's a lot of us here in Britain who are fighting for our country. And we're
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grateful for the support from the Americans. Trump's been great. His administration has been
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great from our point of view and calling out this nonsense. And we appreciate it very much when
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good Americans do that. And I hope that you still consider us your cousins and brothers.
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Despite our years of animosity, I still think that we are great united friends. And we have a lot more
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in common. The Anglosphere has a lot more in common than a lot of the cultures and civilizations we're up
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against. Absolutely. I love that. Well, yeah, I totally agree. You know, people call me delusional,
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but I genuinely believe as a Christian and an optimist broadly that Britain's best days are ahead.
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And people like you were doing excellent work to ensure that that future manifests. But yeah,
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Winston, where can people find you? Inshallah. The Winston Marshall Show. You can catch us on
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YouTube and we're on Substack, although very, very exciting stuff here. Reports coming through from my
00:29:18.440
fellow Substackers that we are now being censored on Substack. And this is because of the Online
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Safety Act that was brought through by Keir Starmer, but also under the Tories started under Boris Johnson.
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They're all bastards. Yeah. So true. Many, many such cases, unfortunately. But
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Winston, thank you so much, man. Thank you for hopping on. Hope to see you soon.
00:29:38.680
Thanks, Nate. Thanks for having me. Yep. Alrighty, guys. Well, that was the great Winston Marshall. That was a
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great, great chat. Um, yeah, I mean, you can, you can tune into Across the Pond if you want to see
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us probe deeper on a lot of these issues afflicting Britain and the United States and how a lot of
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these are actually sort of two sides of the same coin in many ways. Obviously, Americans here with
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Trump, we are postured in a better position. Um, Serge, if you can get the raid going for, uh,
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DeVorey Darkins, uh, if you go to his. Yep. Way ahead of you, bro. I just sent them over there.
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Let's go. But, uh, with that, you can find me on X and Instagram at Real Tate Brown. Come give me a
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follow. Give me your thoughts on today's show with you. It looks like it was a lot more seamless
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today. So I'm happy with that, but you're welcome, bro. Yeah. The surge clutched up,
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surge clutched up big time, but I will be back tonight for Tim Castirel at 8 PM.
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We'll see you all there. Thank you very much for watching.