The Culture War - Tim Pool - December 10, 2025


UK May Be On Brink Of CIVIL WAR Over Migrant Crime ft. Winston Marshall


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Winston Marshall, host of The Winston Marshall Show on BBC Radio 4, joins us to talk about the rape of a 15-year-old girl by two men who stole her virginity in the middle of her GCSE exams.

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00:01:00.160 We are back and we have the great Winston Marshall.
00:01:03.680 Winston, how are you doing?
00:01:05.680 Hi, Tate. Thanks for having me on the show.
00:01:07.360 Of course, of course.
00:01:08.160 Well, I'm sure people in the audience are well aware of who you are, but maybe for those
00:01:11.600 who aren't, could you give a quick intro of who you are, what you do?
00:01:13.600 Sure.
00:01:15.040 Hi, my name is Winston.
00:01:16.400 I'm host of the Winston Marshall Show, which is a British political commentary show.
00:01:21.920 Not only do we interview all of the wrong thinkers this side of the pond, I should say, but we
00:01:29.120 cover quite a lot of American stuff as well.
00:01:31.680 And I've been doing this now for about a two-year birthday as a show.
00:01:37.120 Before that, I had a career in the music industry.
00:01:39.920 I was a founding member of the band Mumford & Sons, which I did for 14 years.
00:01:44.640 And I still play music.
00:01:45.680 I, this year, went and played with Oliver Anthony down in North Carolina.
00:01:49.840 I went and played on the Kill Tony show when he came to London.
00:01:53.680 He did the O2 earlier this year.
00:01:55.360 So, I still do music, but most of my time now is on the show trying to work out what's
00:02:01.840 going on in my country.
00:02:03.200 I should say this, in America, there's a very healthy alternative media landscape where,
00:02:10.160 well, actually, it used to be healthy. 0.94
00:02:11.520 Now, it's gone off the fucking deep end with some of the nut jobs and the conspiracy theories 0.98
00:02:16.000 they're coming up with. 0.94
00:02:16.800 Having said that, it is the case, nevertheless, that you have a podcast sort of ecosystem where,
00:02:27.440 as well as the nut jobs, you have a lot of people who are genuinely pursuing the truth.
00:02:31.920 In Britain, what happened was, you have the mainstream media, very similar to yours,
00:02:36.480 and then all of the podcasts that dominate the charts, dominate advertising space, and
00:02:43.360 dominate the ear and airwaves of the people are actually mainstream media adjacent.
00:02:48.640 They have exactly the same world view, news agents, rest is politics.
00:02:53.040 So, basically, the ecosystem of alternative opinion, that that is not of the corporate media,
00:02:59.280 media is much smaller still, and even within podcasting is much smaller.
00:03:04.720 And the situation in our country is much worse than it is in America.
00:03:08.720 It's a bit like what America would like had Kamala won.
00:03:11.840 Sure.
00:03:12.840 So, that's a little bit about what we're trying to do and what's going on.
00:03:16.600 And the issues that people care most about and we're most worried about, well, this free
00:03:22.440 speech is certainly a big part of it, which I could talk to you at some length about.
00:03:26.760 But this story that I think you brought me on to speak about really speaks for the real moral decay
00:03:35.000 of my country. And this is another example of asylum seekers coming in and brutally raping young 1.00
00:03:43.880 miners. In this case, in a town called Leamington Spa, which is not too far from Stratford-upon-Avon, 0.96
00:03:51.400 where William Shakespeare was from working. And basically, beautiful, idyllic England,
00:04:00.200 the Shire, if you will. And this young girl, aged 15, was raped by two 17-year-old Afghans 0.91
00:04:08.520 who had come here illegally via small boats across the channel. One at the end of last year,
00:04:15.000 one at the beginning of this year. Both of them were 17. And they stole this poor girl's virginity.
00:04:23.080 She was in the middle of her GCSE exams, which is the most important exams, which obviously,
00:04:28.680 it's completely put her out of whack. And she's even reported as such. They haven't reported a
00:04:33.160 name, but she has made short statements to the media and her mother as well about how distressing
00:04:40.440 this whole thing is. And a horrible video of it went online. And, you know, this is not the first
00:04:47.080 time and I can talk to you about this sort of history of this happening. But just, I mean,
00:04:52.520 a couple of things just to show how outrageous this really fucking is. And I'm sorry to curse, 0.96
00:04:58.440 but it's really heinous. In court, the lawyer defending one of the Afghans,
00:05:07.400 and this is, this lawyer is called Joshua Radcliffe and defending one of them is called
00:05:12.120 Israel Niazal. This is what he said in court.
00:05:15.160 There are cultural differences. He is not used to a society where women are free and deemed equal
00:05:21.800 to men. He is not used to a society where alcohol is freely available. He is morally at sea. There
00:05:28.680 are massive cultural barriers that have become massive moral barriers. But he may make a life for
00:05:35.560 himself in this country eventually. Now, he's been sentenced to nine years and 10 months. The other
00:05:41.480 perpetrator, or I should say rapist, has been sentenced to 10 years and eight months. To make
00:05:48.120 things all the more ridiculous, the next day, the other side of the country in Bolton, which is just
00:05:57.000 north of Manchester, Manchester in the news two months ago, because a certain jihad al-Shammy, Syrian born, 0.93
00:06:05.160 murdered Jews at a synagogue in an Islamist attack. The same city you'll remember from 2017. 0.55
00:06:11.400 At an Ariana Grande concert, two dozen young girls and kids were brutally murdered in an Islamist
00:06:22.200 attack by a second generation Libyan migrant. I'll come back to that because that was, 0.99
00:06:29.240 that could have been prevented and wasn't prevented because someone saw the attacker and thought,
00:06:35.080 because he had brown skin, he didn't want to be accused of racism. So he didn't step in and do
00:06:39.080 something. That shows you the political correctness literally kills. I'll come back to that again
00:06:44.920 with regards to the rape of Britain. So the next day after this story is repeated, reported in the
00:06:51.480 Times in Bolton, near to Manchester, another Afghan, this time a 28 year old, also an asylum seeker,
00:07:03.080 illegal migrant. This one's called Sultani Bakatash, born in 97, raped two teenage girls this weekend, 0.98
00:07:13.800 or he's been charged with it at least anyway. And this comes, look, why it's important to Americans.
00:07:24.280 I remind you last week that an Afghan immigrant, a legal immigrant, killed a National Guard in DC, 1.00
00:07:35.080 Sarah Beckstrom, another one remains in critical condition, and at the same time down in Fort Worth,
00:07:41.400 another Afghan was stopped in an attempted Islamist attack, which he bizarrely announced on TikTok,
00:07:49.640 and that was thwarted and foiled, fortunately. It is the case that Afghans do not have the same 1.00
00:07:58.120 culture as us in the West. Whether they came here legally or illegally, it is clear, as even the
00:08:05.720 lawyer defending them in court will say, they do not have the same culture as us. It gets worse.
00:08:14.280 Afghans are 22 times more likely to be convicted of sexual offences than British citizens. 0.86
00:08:20.920 Afghans. That's according to the Center for Migration. I actually did a whole episode with
00:08:29.480 this about the guy reporting on this, if you want to see on my show, this guy called Robert Bates.
00:08:33.880 Center for Migration Control.
00:08:37.240 In Germany, this was a couple of years ago now, back in 2021, there was a young politician,
00:08:42.440 early 27-year-old, called Marie-Thérèse Kaiser, who was fined. She was part of the AFD party. She
00:08:48.200 was fined for citing government statistics about Afghans in Europe. She cited the government
00:08:54.360 statistics, and she was fined 6,000 euros for this, because it was inciting hatred. 0.93
00:09:01.720 That, despite being 0.4% of Germany's population, Afghans overrepresented in sexual offences. In 2021,
00:09:11.960 they accounted for a significant share of the 677 reported gang rapes. Some analyses claiming Afghans
00:09:21.080 were 70 times more likely to be suspects than native Germans. Not all cultures are equal. And this is 0.98
00:09:30.280 the great fallacy that progressives have been telling us for decades. This doesn't come out of nowhere
00:09:36.520 in our country. This isn't in a vacuum. This is after decades of migrants, be they legal or illegal, 1.00
00:09:47.480 targeting young British girls because they were white, because they were kafir, because they were not 0.99
00:09:54.600 Muslim. Now, predominantly this has been perpetrated by those of Pakistani men from a very specific part 0.52
00:10:02.360 of Pakistan. So not even all of Pakistan. And this began... So in Britain, we didn't really have much
00:10:09.800 immigration from South Asia until after the war, really until the end of the 40s, beginning of the
00:10:15.160 50s. And almost immediately then, you have reports, not just in the police, but in the papers, of
00:10:22.360 South Asian men grooming young girls. Now, over the decades, this has amounted to tens of thousands,
00:10:30.040 probably hundreds of thousands of young girls, some of them not just brutally gang raped, but some of 0.97
00:10:36.040 them horrifically murdered. One guy, one of the perpetrators gloated in court about chopping up the
00:10:43.000 girl and putting her in the kebab meat of his shop. This is the most heinous crimes against humanity
00:10:49.480 and it's all the more offensive because none of it had to happen. Look, every population has
00:11:01.160 their heinous criminals. Every population has the heinous mass murderers and pedophiles. 0.99
00:11:08.600 It's all evil and we must call it out. But in this case, these people, we've invited them in.
00:11:16.440 Now, when I go to your country, when I go to any country, even when I go to, well, maybe especially
00:11:20.760 when I go to a Muslim majority country, I'm on best behavior. I respect this country. And look,
00:11:26.360 if I went to Afghanistan, it doesn't mean I'm going to start doing as they do and raping and 1.00
00:11:31.000 treating women badly as they do. Within reason, I will respect the laws of the local country,
00:11:39.560 the local culture. I'll respect it. These people are not. They're coming to our country. 0.94
00:11:44.520 Most of them are coming illegally, but not all of them, as was the case in DC. He came legally. So
00:11:50.040 we've got to talk about legal migration as well as illegal migration. 0.98
00:11:52.920 But this is another kick in the balls for us. It's really, I mean, a mountain of offences, but 0.70
00:12:02.520 they're fleeing, not Afghanistan. They're not flying here from Afghanistan. They're coming here from 0.91
00:12:07.320 France. There's no war in France. They are not fleeing anything. They're coming here because,
00:12:15.480 truth be told, they're not asylum seekers. They're economic migrants. That's what they are. They want a
00:12:19.640 better life because here there's bloody good welfare. There's a bloody good system where they
00:12:24.680 know they can come here. They get pretty good cash. Now, I can talk to you about the system,
00:12:29.000 about how they're coming over and the sort of new techno feudalist state that's arriving. But at the
00:12:34.200 very core of all of these issues is the fact that not all cultures are equal. And we have been importing 0.99
00:12:42.040 on mass on an unprecedented scale in history. Young men from cultures that are not compatible with us, 1.00
00:12:51.400 and they are literally murdering and raping our daughters. 1.00
00:12:54.440 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm really glad you made that point that not all cultures are equal because 1.00
00:12:59.400 in this post-war consensus that we've had all across the West is this, this has been the point
00:13:04.520 that they've been trying to sell us on. And we get data point after data point coming in,
00:13:09.080 anecdote after anecdote, story after story, screaming, this is not true. This is false.
00:13:14.840 This is objectively false. President Trump was making this point yesterday in his rally in
00:13:19.160 Pennsylvania. We covered it in the opening of the show. As he emphasized over and over again,
00:13:22.760 like, hey, you know what? It'd kill us to take some migrants from like maybe Norway or Denmark, 1.00
00:13:27.880 these countries that have a culture and overall a sense of morality that would sort of seamlessly
00:13:34.360 assimilate into the United States. But instead, we keep insisting on bringing people from countries 0.99
00:13:38.520 like Somalia, from Afghanistan, from Haiti, countries that their population has demonstrated
00:13:43.560 over and over again are incompatible with the way we conduct our affairs in America. 0.99
00:13:48.200 It's absolutely ridiculous. And so to your point, if you're, if you're, you know, in the British public
00:13:53.720 and you're, you're looking at this, because I mean, you made the point that illegal and legal
00:13:56.680 migration is the issue here. How else can you view the government's relationship with you other than
00:14:03.480 hatred? Because they continue to import these people and the British people over and over 1.00
00:14:08.360 again have voted to reduce migration at every step. And that's, according to polling, seems to
00:14:13.560 be the primary issue in Britain and in America. And not just they, not do they just ignore it, but
00:14:19.240 they keep the, they keep cranking the faucet up. They keep, you know, they keep pouring on more and
00:14:24.520 more gasoline onto the fire. We, I know I saw your interview. That's where I met you when you came
00:14:29.720 over and you came on our show and you interviewed, um, interviewed Tim and he made the point that like,
00:14:35.080 look, this is going to lead to civil unrest. There's no question about it. So if the government can't at
00:14:42.040 the very least do the right thing for morality sake, to prevent these horrendous, uh, horrendous crimes
00:14:47.240 from occurring at the very least, they should be like, Hey, this is going to destabilize our government.
00:14:53.400 If we don't get a, you know, get a grip on this. You're absolutely correct. And it already has.
00:14:57.640 And I'll explain, but before I do, let me just add some points to some, some of the good points
00:15:02.040 you made. You've had a problem with your Somalis up in Minnesota. Yeah. And there's various problems
00:15:07.880 there, not least the corruption problems under, um, Tampon Timmy and he's not just a billion dollars.
00:15:13.800 Now it turns out it's many billions that have been going to Al-Shabaab out in Somalia, all quite in the,
00:15:20.520 in the, um, not foreknowledge of those Somali Americans, um, uh, up there in Minnesota, but
00:15:27.400 Somalis over index when it comes to FGM, female genital mutilation.
00:15:34.520 We have this problem in Britain. We never had a problem of female genital mutilation. We've 0.99
00:15:38.120 had a problem of cousin marriage, by the way, about 500 years ago. And then we outlawed it.
00:15:41.720 Now we've been imported that positive problem of cousin marriage, particularly when, when it comes to
00:15:45.960 the Muslim, um, well, or actually a Pakistani Muslim problem, but the Somalis, there's now in 0.99
00:15:54.120 the hundreds of thousands of cases of FGM in our country. And there's a similar problem going on in
00:15:58.520 America. Uh, and there's been some campaigns to try and make it illegal because Somalis, Eritreans,
00:16:04.200 East Africans have this problem. It's not all of the Muslim world, by the way, it's just
00:16:08.280 these different cultures have different traditions and we are importing those traditions into the West.
00:16:12.840 Now you have a fantastic president who immediately after the DC incident outlawed or put a moratorium,
00:16:22.200 I should say on all immigration from third world countries, because he understands not all 1.00
00:16:27.160 cultures are equal. But to your point, the position of importing everyone is actually the position that
00:16:35.640 increases the likelihood of social unrest and social disunity.
00:16:39.480 For every lefty, every progressive, every one of these post-war consensus types
00:16:46.040 who are going to deny a link between ethnicity and culture and these crimes.
00:16:51.560 Well, they can play that game, but if they're really going to be proponents of mass migration,
00:16:58.280 they have to tell us how many rapes and murders at the hands of these people. Is it okay?
00:17:04.200 Yeah. Because if we know there's only a percentage of people, of migrants are going to commit crimes, 1.00
00:17:11.400 what percentage? And what percentage is it okay? How many should we tolerate? If they make the argument
00:17:18.120 that, well, all populations have a certain percentage of pedophiles, and they do, and mass
00:17:24.280 murderers, what percentage should we import? And if these, like the Afghans, who have up to 70 times 1.00
00:17:30.520 more likely to be suspects of gang raping, how much gang raping should we tolerate in Germany? How much 0.96
00:17:37.160 gang raping should we tolerate in Britain and America? I think we need to know the answer to that. But
00:17:42.280 you make a very good point about the social unrest, and this has already happened in Britain.
00:17:46.440 It started famously in a place called Knowsley in 2023, beginning of 2023, I think January, February.
00:17:52.600 And there was a migrant hotel where, so the government, this is a whole other story, the 0.99
00:17:57.400 government were shuttling all the illegals into various migrant hotels around the country,
00:18:03.080 at considerable expense of the taxpayer, by the way, eight million pounds a day. And
00:18:09.480 they were putting them in these places, usually in undesirable parts of the country,
00:18:13.320 read working class, poorer parts of the country, because they wanted to not be near them. So 0.85
00:18:19.960 they didn't have to deal with the problem of these African, Afghan men. By the way, they're not women 1.00
00:18:24.520 and children, very, very few. It's Afghan men of military age. And so what happened in Knowsley is,
00:18:30.840 one of the migrants was filmed making a pass at a young teenage girl, I think she was 15. That video
00:18:39.080 made the rounds online. And it was reported in some media, but not mainstream media. It was
00:18:44.040 reported on GB News, and they played it. But actually, the mainstream media seemed to deny it.
00:18:49.240 They were like, no, it's misinformation. And we were like, we're watching the video on our phones.
00:18:52.280 What do you mean it's misinformation? We can see it's happening. The police, I think they arrested
00:18:57.160 someone and then let him go. And so what happened was all of the local men started rioting outside the
00:19:04.360 migrant hotel, tipping the police fans, because they're like, what the hell is going on here?
00:19:08.440 Why are these men going after our daughters? And by the way, it's our responsibility as men
00:19:12.280 to protect the women in our families, the women in our community. So the men were doing the righteous
00:19:16.520 thing. Now, they might have gone too far with it. But I agree, they probably went too far with it.
00:19:20.840 But who am I to speak? If I was in that situation, the anger flowing through my veins,
00:19:25.000 maybe I'd have behaved the same way.
00:19:26.360 The media then, having not really reported on the initial crime of the migrant, reported on this
00:19:35.320 whole story as the far right up in Noseley, which is just outside of Liverpool. They're on the march,
00:19:41.480 they're on the rise, because look at all this crime they do. Now, that was beginning of 2023.
00:19:46.680 Fast forward to 2024. It's a month into Sakhir Starmer's premiership as prime minister.
00:19:51.640 And you have the famous Southport killings, very close to Noseley up in Liverpool. This is a 0.96
00:19:58.760 young guy called Axel Rudicabana, murdered three children at a Taylor Swift dance party,
00:20:05.000 and stabbed many, many others, murdered the three, the three girls. And the whole country
00:20:12.760 were sort of glued to their foot, glued to X, because we couldn't trust the mainstream media
00:20:17.400 to report on this properly. So we're like, what the hell is going on?
00:20:20.120 And there was a righteous anger that blew up across the country. There were a lot of protests
00:20:26.840 and vigils that were contained and respectful. But there was also some unsavoury, unpleasant
00:20:36.040 escalations where those rioters were angry, surrounded other migrant hotels. They'd had enough,
00:20:43.320 because we've experienced this with the Pakistani rape gangs for decades. This is a pent up anger of this 0.97
00:20:48.920 country that's blowing, blowing up. So we saw a kind of escalation from Noseley to Southport.
00:20:56.760 And I do believe our country, I mean, through this summer, again, we had another bunch at Epping.
00:21:02.360 There's so many of these stories that are so bloody mental, you wouldn't even believe them.
00:21:05.880 Here's the latest one, actually, just as it comes to mind is in Epping Hotel, there's an Ethiopian
00:21:12.920 illegal immigrant being kept, everything is in Essex, just like east of London. And an Ethiopian was 0.99
00:21:21.000 kept in this hotel. And he was arrested because when he was out, he went up to a teenage girl and
00:21:29.800 made some sort of sexual advance at her. So they eventually arrested him for doing that. And then
00:21:35.000 he they accidentally let him out of prison. They just let him out. So then he was roaming around
00:21:41.800 all over the place. After a couple of days, they found him and they eventually deported him. So by
00:21:46.440 the way, they can deport if they actually want to. Yeah. Instead, they're putting more putting them all
00:21:50.600 in the illegal. They should be deported immediately. They shouldn't set foot in our country. But the point 1.00
00:21:57.080 is, as to Tim's point about, you know, social unrest, and your point about social unrest, the pro mass
00:22:06.680 migration movement is to be pro social unrest. There isn't an example of in history when you on 0.99
00:22:12.520 scale, bring together different groups, and expect them to live side by side when they're so drastically
00:22:18.200 different, that it goes well, I actually don't know any situations like that. So yeah, hopefully,
00:22:26.040 there can be change. But this stuff has to stop. And yeah, there is a serious threat of increased
00:22:33.880 social disunity. Some people are talking about civil war. I'm not completely convinced that that's
00:22:37.960 possible. I think it's possible. But it's not completely convinced it's likely or probable yet.
00:22:43.320 But it's it's something it's a conversation that's been had at least. Yeah, well, I mean,
00:22:47.720 to your point, I mean, look at Europe in the previous in the pre war period. I mean, these were
00:22:53.000 cultures very similar to each other, going at it, you look at Africa now, where, you know,
00:22:58.280 people point out, oh, well, the borders were drawn arbitrarily, and they they lumped different
00:23:02.680 tribes together, neighboring tribes go at it. So it's like, how do you expect people from across
00:23:06.920 the world to cohesively assimilate into Western society? And beyond that, I want to ask you, Winston,
00:23:14.200 let's just let's just grant the post war consensus argument, these people really are blank
00:23:18.280 slates, these people really are just interchangeable. And let's just say,
00:23:22.200 hypothetically, that these people coming from Afghanistan or wherever across the third world,
00:23:27.320 specifically, or these economic miracles, let's just say they actually overperformed the British
00:23:33.000 native British population. Let's just hypothetically grant that even then, what sort of the demographic
00:23:39.640 change in these places? Is that still not up for debate? I mean, I think it's a very valid concern
00:23:45.160 for the English to want Birmingham to still resemble England and the Scottish to want Glasgow to
00:23:49.960 resemble Scotland and the Welsh to, you know, for, you know, Swansea to resemble Wales. I mean,
00:23:55.960 is that even even if we granted everything else? Is that to me, that seems like it's still a valid
00:24:00.840 concern for for the British electorate?
00:24:06.280 It's certainly a concern, but we should be specific about what it is we're concerned about. So
00:24:10.600 you've mentioned a couple of things that the post war consensus, we should actually drill down on
00:24:15.400 what that exactly that is to be precise. And then you mentioned blank slate ism. I actually don't
00:24:20.280 think blank slate ism is what they think the post war ideologues. It's not about blank slate ism what
00:24:28.280 they believe among as well as the sort of car popper open society ideology. What they believe is that all
00:24:36.280 people, this is a progressive fallacy, all people want the same thing, which is to get along, have
00:24:42.280 families, thrive, prosper, live good long lives. Okay, that's, that's the fallacy. That's not blank
00:24:49.800 slate ism. I think that's worth bringing out because people are bringing up this blank slate stuff. And
00:24:54.280 maybe you want to push back against me and tell me why you think I'm wrong, seeing as you brought up
00:24:58.600 blank slate ism. But I think the specific issue is this idea that everyone just wants the same thing.
00:25:04.600 That's just demonstrably not true. Not only do different civilizations, different countries,
00:25:12.200 different people want the same things, like between nations, as is clear, like, you know,
00:25:16.760 the Islamic world does not want the same thing as the Christian world. But even within countries, we 0.85
00:25:20.920 don't all want the same things. Look at America, you know, half the country still hate Trump, half the
00:25:25.320 country think Democrats are ridiculous. So it's just not true that we all want the same things. It's not true 0.95
00:25:33.960 that not everyone wants a family. A lot of us do. But not everyone wants that not everyone wants
00:25:38.600 their countries to prosper. Some of them want the destruction of their country, of their own
00:25:43.000 country. So that's just not true. And I think that's the actual fallacy that is that is force feeding
00:25:50.520 this dilemma. I agree that there's a postwar dogma, that it's kind of a car popperism, this false
00:26:01.800 dichotomy of the good things are democracy, free speech, freedom, liberalism, and the bad things are
00:26:08.760 Nazism, fascism, religion, nationalism. Now, I happen to agree that Nazism and fascism are evil and bad
00:26:16.840 things. I don't want them. I also happen to agree that freedom, liberty, free speech are good things.
00:26:23.320 But I don't agree that nationalism and religion are bad things. And so that's part of the popper 0.83
00:26:29.400 dichotomy. But it's an important part because they don't, these people are anti-nationalist.
00:26:33.960 They're anti-nationalism is always, when I was growing up, you'd never say you're a nationalist.
00:26:37.720 It's different now, but you'd never say it because it was a dirty word. And because it's sort of
00:26:42.200 associated with ethno-nationalism and with the Second World War with the Nazis. But that's not
00:26:49.160 what nationalism, that is a very specific, that's Nazism. Nationalism is wanting the best for your
00:26:55.400 nation and not necessarily at the expense of others. In fact, even the Oxford English Dictionary defines
00:27:00.760 it as the expense of others. No, that's jingoism. That's not nationalism. So anyway, these words,
00:27:05.800 I know it's semantic and we're going to get bored in it, but it is part of this ideology that's built up
00:27:11.880 that means that we've imported rapists en masse to our country. And then there's some people who
00:27:18.440 genuinely hate the West and they're importing these people to undermine it. So this is kind of a whole 1.00
00:27:25.800 bunch of things happening at once. I'm not sure if that answers your original suggestion, question.
00:27:32.200 No, no, that was great. Yeah, no, I totally agree. I mean, yeah, there's probably a deeper conversation
00:27:36.760 we could probably go into, again, sort of on the motivations of the post-war. But no, I mean,
00:27:40.760 I certainly agree. That's a good point that just the priorities are misaligned, if that's not obvious
00:27:45.720 by the way that these people conduct themselves once they arrive on the shores of Britain.
00:27:51.720 With that, we are running low on time. Winston, if you had any final thoughts and where people can find
00:27:56.760 you to get more. Final thoughts are things probably get worse before they get better. But don't give
00:28:03.480 up on Britain. We're very grateful for all of the support that you Americans are giving us. And, you
00:28:08.760 know, we see you guys calling it out on X and we see you guys calling out on social media. And we're
00:28:14.760 grateful for it because there's a lot of us here in Britain who are fighting for our country. And we're
00:28:19.480 grateful for the support from the Americans. Trump's been great. His administration has been
00:28:23.320 great from our point of view and calling out this nonsense. And we appreciate it very much when
00:28:30.760 good Americans do that. And I hope that you still consider us your cousins and brothers.
00:28:37.000 Despite our years of animosity, I still think that we are great united friends. And we have a lot more
00:28:43.800 in common. The Anglosphere has a lot more in common than a lot of the cultures and civilizations we're up
00:28:50.760 against. Absolutely. I love that. Well, yeah, I totally agree. You know, people call me delusional,
00:28:55.080 but I genuinely believe as a Christian and an optimist broadly that Britain's best days are ahead.
00:29:00.200 And people like you were doing excellent work to ensure that that future manifests. But yeah,
00:29:05.160 Winston, where can people find you? Inshallah. The Winston Marshall Show. You can catch us on
00:29:11.320 YouTube and we're on Substack, although very, very exciting stuff here. Reports coming through from my
00:29:18.440 fellow Substackers that we are now being censored on Substack. And this is because of the Online
00:29:23.880 Safety Act that was brought through by Keir Starmer, but also under the Tories started under Boris Johnson. 1.00
00:29:30.120 They're all bastards. Yeah. So true. Many, many such cases, unfortunately. But 1.00
00:29:36.040 Winston, thank you so much, man. Thank you for hopping on. Hope to see you soon.
00:29:38.680 Thanks, Nate. Thanks for having me. Yep. Alrighty, guys. Well, that was the great Winston Marshall. That was a
00:29:44.200 great, great chat. Um, yeah, I mean, you can, you can tune into Across the Pond if you want to see
00:29:48.920 us probe deeper on a lot of these issues afflicting Britain and the United States and how a lot of
00:29:53.320 these are actually sort of two sides of the same coin in many ways. Obviously, Americans here with
00:29:57.880 Trump, we are postured in a better position. Um, Serge, if you can get the raid going for, uh,
00:30:02.360 DeVorey Darkins, uh, if you go to his. Yep. Way ahead of you, bro. I just sent them over there.
00:30:06.040 Let's go. But, uh, with that, you can find me on X and Instagram at Real Tate Brown. Come give me a
00:30:10.760 follow. Give me your thoughts on today's show with you. It looks like it was a lot more seamless
00:30:14.040 today. So I'm happy with that, but you're welcome, bro. Yeah. The surge clutched up,
00:30:17.800 surge clutched up big time, but I will be back tonight for Tim Castirel at 8 PM.
00:30:21.400 We'll see you all there. Thank you very much for watching.