00:00:23.760Russia, of course, at war with Ukraine, Ukraine launching strikes in Russia, Russia switching
00:00:28.900to a wartime economy. And now the U.S. and Iran embroiled in a war which has cut off the Strait
00:00:35.900of Hormuz and isolated China from their oil imports. Since the start of this war, China has
00:00:41.780lost around 44 percent of its oil imports, and it is reeling. With Ukraine's strike on these Iranian
00:00:50.240ships, it could merge the war into one massive conflict. And in fact, that's typically how these0.89
00:00:58.280world wars have begun. China has few options left. It appears they're going for the political
00:01:05.660route. Influence American politics. Get Trump out by any means to try and stave off an escalation
00:01:14.060of a conflict. Xi Jinping said recently that he hopes the U.S. and China can avoid Thucydides'
00:01:21.280trap, which is a bold statement and is not a call for peace. She's saying this is telling the
00:01:29.740American people. The city's trap means China is ascendant and the U.S. will fall. And he hopes0.61
00:01:37.720when that happens, there will not be a war. Now, I wouldn't call it a direct threat, but it's a bold
00:01:45.120thing to say, because the implication is that China will win. Well, right now, China's cut off
00:01:51.780from their oil imports because the Strait of Hormuz is closed. They are struggling with energy
00:01:56.560coming from Russia because Russia switched to a wartime economy over Ukraine. And now we are
00:02:02.060seeing prominent influencers, notably Laura Loomer, coming out in defense of Ukraine, in support of
00:02:08.580Ukraine, saying she had been brainwashed by Russian propaganda. Now, somehow I find myself
00:02:14.260wrapped up in that story. But don't worry, we'll break it all down. The media is lying to you about
00:02:19.640everything. And that's probably why they don't like me, because I'm not. That's probably wrong
00:02:25.640a lot. Don't get me wrong. But not lying to you. And the story is this. There is a reality to what
00:02:32.640is going on with the Ukraine war. Well, as it pertains to a casus belli, the powers that be0.71
00:02:39.380fighting that war don't want you to know what is actually happening. And the sad reality is this.
00:02:45.660If I were to surmise a reason as to why Laura Loomer is now backing Ukraine, it's because these
00:02:52.120wars are converging and you have to get behind U.S. interests. And you know what? I agree.
00:03:00.400I'm not gonna play stupid games and act like Ukraine is innocent or that our involvement0.99
00:03:06.720is justified, or whatever that may be. The fact of the matter is this, whether you like Trump or0.99
00:03:11.060not, whether you care for Zelensky or what Ukraine is doing or not, it's not material to the question
00:03:15.400of what is about to happen. Now, it may be that China just backs off and slowly withers away
00:03:22.180and loses, but I don't think that will be the case. In which case, I think it's fair to say
00:03:27.600I have deep criticisms over how Ukraine handles itself and largely how the West handles Ukraine,
00:03:32.480because I'm not here to blame the Ukrainians for being invaded. That's silly.0.94
00:03:36.520Russia is not the good guy here. The principal issue I've had for the longest time with Ukraine1.00
00:03:40.840is not whether they're justified or unjust, just that the U.S. involvement was never properly
00:03:46.200justified to the American people. And though I generally do agree that Ukraine is in the right0.96
00:03:50.680because they were invaded, Russia lost the soft power battle and chose to use force. And for that,
00:03:57.460they are the aggressors. And I do believe it's fair to say they're the bad guys in this scenario.
00:04:01.280But that doesn't mean the U.S. should be involved or that the Ukrainian president should be soliciting hundreds of billions of dollars from the U.S.
00:07:58.460If we go back to the 2000s, you get a story from The Guardian about what is called the Qatar-Turkey Pipeline.
00:08:06.020The goal of the United States was to build a pipeline from Iraq through Syria, Turkey into Europe for the purpose of offsetting the Russian Gazprom gas monopoly.
00:08:47.600The Assad government said, no, we are allied with the Russians who operate a military base, a naval base in Tartus.
00:08:54.600we cannot allow you to offset their gas monopoly in violation of their interests because we're
00:09:01.900aligned with them seemingly around this time whatever your opinion may be civil war erupts
00:09:08.340in Syria with rebel factions working to oust Bashar al-Assad and they have succeeded now it
00:09:15.260wasn't just the Bashar al-Assad said sorry thank you for the opportunity but no thank you
00:09:20.560In fact, when the U.S. went to Assad to his family, I don't know if it was actually Bashar at the time, but he was in the family and proposed this pipeline instead of cutting a deal with the U.S. and Europe, Syria decided to cut a deal with Iran.
00:09:36.300They would tap the same natural gas field, put a pipeline through Iraq into Syria and Turkey, effectively strengthening Russia's gas monopoly and empowering Iran.
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00:10:32.000surface level in full of inaccuracies. But at least according to the reporting,
00:10:38.320this is what we get next. Syria falls into chaos. Bashar al-Assad's government is in chaos.
00:10:44.620Eventually, as of recently, he's fled to Russia and Syria has fallen and the U.S. has gained
00:10:49.360interest control, as it were, in Syria. The U.S. tried something else. Biden flew to Ukraine
00:10:56.280and they set up a gas company, Burisma. And now you can see what's actually going on.
00:11:02.240There is an information war between the East and the West, between Russia, China, Iran,
00:11:08.520the United States and Europe. You don't get me wrong. Trump at the time, early on in his first
00:11:14.140term, pissed off at Germany because Germany taking energy from Russia is strengthening
00:11:18.400their abilities to control the price of gas in Europe. Trump, of course, issues his threats.
00:11:25.940There are a lot of issues that have occurred over the past several years that I can't account for
00:11:29.520in the surface level overview of what is currently going on.
00:11:32.620Suffice it to say, this is what we believe to be happening.
00:11:35.140Joe Biden goes to Ukraine and says, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the
00:11:39.100billion dollars. Why? The prosecutor at the time, Shokin, had several, at least a dozen plus
00:11:44.140investigations into Burisma. The argument was that they, this guy, Mykola Zlochevsky,
00:11:49.860who founded this energy company, was crooked. However, on the board of Burisma was a former
00:11:55.240director of counter terror for the CIA and Hunter Biden. I would put it like this.
00:12:01.920The U.S. knowing that they do not have control and they're struggling with this,
00:12:07.600decided to go into Ukraine and try and manipulate politically what was going on so that they could
00:12:13.480control the Gazprom gas pipelines. Then you get 2014. Don't get me wrong. A lot of this is
00:12:19.980overlapping with each other, and I want to make sure we're clear on what was going on.
00:13:10.680Russia's trying to build a trade federation with many of these countries that are in and
00:13:14.900around Eastern Europe and Western Asia.
00:13:17.300and he says to Ukraine, if you do a trade agreement with Europe, cheap European goods
00:13:23.360will come into Ukraine. And then if we have an open borders deal with you, those will flood
00:13:27.560Russia as well. Bad for our economy. So Ukraine now has the leverage position.0.95
00:13:33.740Whose deal are they going to take? When Yanukovych was leaning towards Russia,
00:13:38.760you get a massive, I guess you'd call it a revolution. This results in the ousting of
00:13:44.600Yanukovych. And the Ukraine government veers towards Europe, largely where I believe it's
00:13:50.460fair to say, having been there and talked to many people, the people generally were leaning towards
00:13:54.600anyway. Russia's pissed. Trump comes in in his first term. Things seem to calm down.
00:14:01.580Biden gets in. Things start to build up. War kicks off. And what did I say? In 22, 23, 24,
00:14:09.020Biden was creating a circumstance by which the war would become so intense and ingrained,
00:14:14.740Trump would be unable to stop it. And so here we are. The war, it's not stopping.
00:14:21.660What we have right now, the Caspian Sea, understand how far away the Caspian is from Ukraine.
00:14:28.260Ukraine launching these drone strikes is massive. So what does it look like?
00:14:33.580The war with Iran is not over nuclear weapons. The war with Iran is probably multifaceted.
00:14:39.020Related to Iran's distribution of weapons to Russia, as well as the Strait of Hormuz and large portions, large, large supplies, shipments of energy going to our adversary, China.
00:14:52.940I believe largely what we're looking at, and the reason this is possible, there's a possibility of World War Three, is that for too long, Iran, Russia, China, the BRICS nations largely have been able to grow unabated.
00:18:57.100From a Kiev bomb shelter, Laura Loomer explains her shift on Russia's war in Ukraine.0.65
00:19:02.980They say Laura Loomer became infamous for spreading conspiracy theories online.
00:19:07.060Now, as she travels across Ukraine to see the damage inflicted by Russia in its years
00:19:10.080long war, she wants to admit that she fell for some falsehoods of her own.
00:19:14.260A close ally of President Trump, Loomer has completely reversed her longtime criticism of Ukraine and is urging fellow conservatives to be wary of Moscow's propaganda, which she blames for duping large swaths of the American right.
00:19:27.240You don't need to listen to a podcast or let them influence your opinion about a country.
00:19:31.060You can look at those facts yourself, she told the Associated Press.
00:19:35.340Loomer has remained influential with Trump despite not having an official role.
00:19:39.100They're going to say Loomer says she was bamboozled to oppose Ukraine.
00:19:44.260Loomer had spent years minimizing the war and amplifying Russian propaganda until she made0.57
00:19:48.600a dramatic reversal this week. I've come to realize I was bamboozled by Russian propaganda,
00:19:53.240and I came to believe a lot of untrue things about Ukraine. I used to think this was a country full
00:19:57.500of Nazis, Loomer told Zelensky as she interviewed him for her show on Rumble. So let's play this.0.78
00:20:04.220She mentions the Russians are very good at capitalizing on people's rage.0.62
00:20:07.500Those are the Iranians, those are the Chinese, and all of it is happening.0.77
00:20:11.060First, El Mundo America claims that I went with Laura Loomer to Ukraine, which I did not do,1.00
00:20:17.260though I have been to Ukraine twice. I have friends who live in Ukraine as well,
00:20:21.280or they used to. They fled the country. MAGA influencers make surprise visit to Ukraine.
00:20:27.460We were deceived by Russian propaganda. Actually, I'm wondering if this is even about me at all,
00:20:33.060because who made that quote? We were. Yeah, apparently that quote doesn't even exist in
00:20:38.340the article. I love it. Let's read what it says. So we know what it says about Laura Loomer,
00:20:43.320but I'm mentioning myself in this. I'm not trying to make it up by myself,
00:20:46.080but I think I've exemplified the war propaganda fairly well.
00:20:51.160They say, last Friday, podcaster and MAGA activist Tim Poole jumped on the bad wagon.
00:20:56.920Ukraine has been fighting for its own existence against an evil dictator. Now I see the importance
00:21:01.820of the Ukrainian victory against Russia. I hope that Trump and the people of the United States
00:21:05.840lend their support. He wrote in his account, Zelensky is the Abraham Lincoln of this generation.
00:21:15.840He is a hero of the people. He insisted in response to criticisms from his own followers,
00:21:21.300would go accustomed to criticizing and insulting Ukrainians. Remarkable. I've never insulted
00:21:26.940Ukrainians. I've taken issue with the governance of Zelensky. I've taken issue with the lack of0.99
00:21:31.560a casus belli for the U.S. to spend 200 billion dollars in a country without justification.
00:21:37.340The point is, as I have long maintained, this is about Gazprom, Burisma, the Qatar-Turkey pipeline
00:21:45.180and U.S. control of energy in the region. It has never been justified to the American people.
00:21:50.560It is foreign interventionary manipulation. And they don't like me and they lie about me
00:21:56.040because of this. So I'll put it real simple. Why did the AG under Biden falsify a story that
00:22:04.100I was being paid by Russians? Because they need to poison the well. They don't want you to know
00:22:09.940the truth. First, as I've always maintained, Russia's the bad guy. That's it. I've never0.89
00:22:14.880defended Russia. I've always called them the bad guy. But there's a problem when I point out a few1.00
00:22:21.000things. Notably, a video clip in which I said, Ukraine is an enemy of the United States and we0.57
00:22:27.780should apologize to Russia. What is that quote in reference to? It is in reference to Ukrainians0.78
00:22:33.520sabotaging Western interests and bombing a pipeline that was supplying energy to our allies.
00:22:40.860Now explain to me why, if on the surface Germany is our ally, receiving energy it so deeply needs,0.51
00:22:47.380that Ukraine would blow up a NATO asset. And we should be supportive of that.0.96
00:22:55.160The truth is, Ukraine in its war with Russia wanted to force the West into deeper involvement,0.69
00:23:02.240creating a casus belli. Now, of course, they'll play that clip for you out of context, but right
00:23:07.740context, but rightly so, I believe it is fair to say they are manipulating us to join the war.0.91
00:23:12.720And you know what? They're doing it rather poorly. I'm not a fan of the involvement in the war with Iran. And I am hoping that this resolution comes peacefully with all of it. But I think it's also fair to point out, guys, welcome to the rock and the hard place. Knowing everything I've said, giving you an honest assessment about what is actually going on and how they're lying. Would you rather Russia, China and Iran win or the United States and Europe?
00:27:17.780Now it's not a presidential election year, and they want people to hear that Trump supporters
00:27:24.860or people on the right are in favor of backing Ukraine.
00:27:28.940What I can say is this, the Iran war, I'm not a fan.0.93
00:27:35.960I am not at the point so outraged like with Iraq or Afghanistan, but I also understand
00:27:41.620people with power will use it and they will abuse it.
00:27:45.880so you can sit back and let bad guys win or you can decide to win yourself what does that mean
00:27:54.020i voted for trump because he was the anti-war candidate he had proven it in his first term
00:27:59.480in the second term he started a new war i'm not happy about it i would not vote for it but it's0.73
00:28:05.300here so i'm not going to play any stupid moral games of what i should have done what i regret
00:28:11.060no, I stand by my decision to support Donald Trump in 2024. He has brought this war to our0.97
00:28:16.820doorstep, and I am not happy about it. Whatever the reason may be, be it nuclear weapons,
00:28:21.720abuse of the civilians or otherwise, the war has begun. And now the question is,
00:28:25.440what will we do as Americans in this conflict? I do not support boots on the ground.
00:28:31.840I do not want this war to escalate. I hope it stays where it is and slowly just eases up.
00:28:37.700But what's going on in Ukraine with Russia is not going to stop. And I fear that China is going to step in. So I can only say this at this point. Only one thing matters that we win. You explain to me how you think we can win because I'm all ears because winning does not mean boots on the ground. Winning does not mean nuclear weapons. Winning means we peacefully resolve the conflict to the benefit of the American people.0.61
00:29:02.760Now, we say peaceful, but of course, we're at war. I'm saying we stop, we talk, we resolve this.
00:29:09.020How do we come to that point? Is it possible? And if it is not possible, what do we do?
00:29:15.460Violently bring a war, an end to this war? Well, you tell me what I am supposed to do as an American
00:29:21.560right now in the situation. I've already explained I spoke out against the war. I've been attacked,
00:29:27.020maligned, slandered, defamed, falsely accused for saying this is not justified our involvement
00:29:34.020in Ukraine with the war against Russia. Now that we stand on the doorstep of what may be
00:29:39.720World War Three, if China decides to get involved, what should I as an American do
00:29:45.220who have been outspoken the whole time do? Capitulate? Should I say now, no, we should lose?