On today's episode of Restoring Order, host Patrick Casey Casey is joined by conservative writer Patrick Casey to discuss the ICE raids in response to the massive ICE raids across the U.S. on immigrants in Minneapolis and other cities across the country.
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00:00:50.640Well, thanks for hopping on, dude. It's good to see you. It's been a minute.
00:00:52.480Can you give the people a quick intro, who you are, what you do?
00:00:56.580Sure. So to keep it really quick, I am a writer. I've been published in Chronicles Magazine, the American Conservative, Federalist, and I'm the host of Restoring Order.
00:01:06.060It's a podcast. You can go to PatrickCasey.com. It's on Spotify. It used to be on YouTube.
00:01:11.320Was suspended. And yeah, just write, do political commentary, all that good stuff.
00:01:17.100Let's go. I love it. Well, I want to just like, let's let it rip. You're on TimCast. You know the drill.
00:01:21.480Do you think civil war is imminent? Because I know, I know that's like, you know, a cliche at this point.
00:01:27.220It's, you know, people are just like, okay, here we go with the civil war talk.
00:01:29.900But I really am seeing two countries here.
00:01:33.120I mean, people that are literally going up to Bovino, who's like in a Target using the bathroom and like screaming, we don't want you here.
00:01:40.300These sorts of things. Simply for the crime of trying to enforce immigration laws that are on the books.
00:01:44.460Where is the off ramp in that situation? How does this not escalate further?
00:01:52.200That's a good question. I think there's, there was no conceivable scenario in which Trump carries, fulfills his mandate given to him by the American people to carry out mass deportations.
00:02:02.800And that the left just like goes along with it. So there was always going to be, unfortunately, given the insanity of the left, some chaos involved.
00:02:13.260You know, it's not like, I'm sure a lot of Democrats support the people literally out in the streets obstructed the Renee Goodes, the people obstructing, you know, to varying degrees of severity.
00:02:25.220These, these, these ICE officers and their, their deportation missions.
00:02:30.240But it really isn't just like that radical, I don't know, 10th or something, but it's a very small amount of people that are willing to go out there and do that.
00:02:37.500And what needs to happen is you need to arrest these people, which the Trump administration is doing.
00:02:43.180You can't just arrest them for being out there. They have the right to protest, right?
00:02:46.180So you have to wait until they, they take things a little too far.
00:02:49.320And as we've seen from the clips, as we've seen from, you know, the Trump administration posting the pictures, the faces, the names of people who have been arrested, you know, specifically in Minneapolis for going after and, you know, just kind of crossing that line.
00:03:03.960You can see some of the footage outside of these detention facilities, Tate, where, you know, these guys are just waiting, you know, DHS officers.
00:03:13.200It's just deportation engines, federal agents, generally, they're waiting for these, these scumbags to just like do the thing that allows them to haul them into the facility and, and to arrest them.
00:03:24.960So it's pretty crazy as to, but I think that the feds basically need to win in that sense.
00:03:31.860And it feels weird to say that as a right winger, but the Trump administration needs to win probably without using the military, without doing the insurrection act.
00:03:39.440And we need to show that you need to respect federal officers and you don't have the right to impede them.
00:03:45.360You don't have the right to harass them, to stalk them.
00:03:48.700And, you know, eventually you arrest enough of these people.
00:03:51.960And I think that, you know, that kind of sends the message and, but we'll see.
00:03:56.800I mean, there's, there's really no telling where we're going.
00:03:59.500Yeah. Well, I guess to add to that, I mean, I, I agree.
00:04:04.020Or on McIntyre, he, he put some thoughts out.
00:04:06.340He was commentating on, on a video where ice was just making a routine arrest of these people that were impeding their, their operation.
00:04:13.860And of course they were met with a bunch of resistance, these sorts of things.
00:04:16.260And the thing he said, it jumped out to me was like, we've kind of joked around about it in the past, but we kind of do need a degree of reconstruction going on in the United States.
00:04:25.800Like we do need something sort of approximating that to truly sort of reestablish some common ground.
00:04:31.380So it's not just two completely opposing factions, but just two parties, you know, proposing maybe disagreements on economic policy.
00:04:41.380I mean, cause that's strong language, but I look at that and it's, I'm not balking at that anymore.
00:04:44.260Yeah, that's so many people have noticed this division that, you know, even if we're able to, the Republicans are able to win elections.
00:04:54.200There are a lot of people out there who are, even if they're not in the majority are just not going to, you know, agree to disagree at the end of the day.
00:05:03.520And I think the reason for that, a big part of that is that there used to be a broad consensus or a broad center in American politics.
00:05:11.640You know, if you go back, people love bringing up the fact that, uh, you know, Barack Obama, it was either his, his initial campaign or his reelection campaign.
00:05:19.860I think it was his latest, his reelection campaign that Barack Obama said that he believed marriage was a man and a woman.
00:05:28.420Um, and, uh, you know, flash forward a few years later, then you've got Tucker Carlson on Fox news, um, saying that he believes that gay marriage is essentially a good thing.
00:05:36.660You know, this is the right, it's like scariest, most right-wing pundit.
00:05:39.580Um, you know, Hillary Clinton supported a border roll.
00:05:42.060You have Biden with supporting the 94 crime bill.
00:05:52.540So that's just like, there used to be a broad consensus.
00:05:55.840Now there isn't that broad consensus on like basic stuff, like children cannot become and should not become transgender, uh, that, you know, we need to actually have some level of security, ideally robust security at the Southern border.
00:06:12.000And of course, law and order that, yeah, we support, we need to support law enforcement.
00:06:16.020Uh, we do not side with criminals, with illegal aliens over, you know, the, the good men and women in law enforcement, federal, state, local, whatever, who are just trying to enforce the law.
00:06:29.320So the fact that we don't have a consensus on that means there's going to be some pretty severe polarization.
00:06:36.560I don't think we're going to see, you know, actual civil war or anything of the sort, uh, but it just means that, you know, when we're trying to accomplish an agenda that was very popular, uh, mass deportations were not exactly a secret, uh, that Trump was going to do that when he was elected.
00:06:53.160He was, that was, that was a central promise to his campaign.
00:06:57.200And, uh, so Trump needs to deliver that, but yeah, it's, it's, it really isn't a good sign for a country to not be able to agree on previous things that previously were, you know, fairly, fairly consensus on both sides of, of the aisle.
00:07:11.780So it's really kind of, again, no telling where we're, where we're headed.
00:07:14.680Yeah, that was what really jumped out to me with the, with the Renee good shooting is, you know, a lot of people were saying like, you know, what drives a society where they're middle-aged women are going out and being foot soldiers for this, you know, this cause or whatever.
00:07:28.640And I look at that and I'm like, all of this started literally because Nick Shirley walked around and exposed like the most obvious fraud in history.
00:07:38.260Like it's like a scandal of utmost proportion to the fact where he scalped a Democrat governor.
00:07:51.180That's what started this entire unrest, so to speak, in Minneapolis.
00:07:54.980I mean, what does that say where you have these, these, these women like Renee good, uh, who like literally are willing to put their lives on the line for fraudsters, for murderers, for rapists, like literally the worst aspects of American society.
00:08:08.320And they're willing to literally die for those people with kids at home.
00:08:11.780I mean, I know we were hitting on it, but like, again, I'm just, I mean, I'm just trying to figure out how do you get out of that?
00:08:18.080I mean, that is, that is brainwashing of the utmost proportion.
00:08:24.620So those people are, unfortunately, they're not, they're not going anywhere.
00:08:29.840Um, and, uh, you know, you can't, uh, despite what some people on Twitter would, would like to have happen.
00:08:35.120You can't just lock people up for, uh, being a libtard essentially.
00:08:38.780And, uh, as far as I'm aware, the Trump administration is not currently working on, uh, yeah, yeah.
00:08:44.640I wouldn't count on Congress introducing any legislation to, uh, to, to fix that.
00:08:48.640Maybe if we get rid of the filibuster, we'll see.
00:08:50.820But, um, in all, in all seriousness, you know, this is something Curtis Yard has dealt with as well.
00:08:55.100Just the idea of like, okay, even if you, like you, you, you, we almost, yeah, we almost do have red and blue America to, to pretty different countries in a way that, you know, even a few decades ago, the division was not this stark.
00:09:07.920And the things that people bickered over politically were not like basic civilizational, you know, things, basic prerequisites for civilization, like having, you know, law enforcement or, um, having, having a border.
00:09:20.840So I, you know, I don't know, Curtis Yard, one thing he, he will point out is look up denazification and what it took in Germany to totally expunge Nazism.
00:09:32.460And it's like, yeah, I guess there's still some like, you know, neo-Nazi biker gangs or something.
00:09:35.940So it's, uh, you know, they're not really a serious force in German society, but what it took to totally stamp out Nazism in Germany was really extreme.
00:09:48.400And I, I don't think American conservatives really have the stomach for doing that to lives.
00:09:57.400Um, and I think in any society, you're going to have people that lean a little more liberal, a little more conservative again.
00:10:03.660So it's, it's about trying to reestablish that center.
00:10:07.700Um, and we, we just, you just need political power at the end of the day.
00:10:12.500There are always going to be Renee goods who are, um, trying to subvert and sabotage totally reasonable, um, popular, you know, plans, right-wing policy, uh, you know, sort of platforms.
00:10:26.320But it's, if, if you have power and you're using it in the right way, um, and ideally, you know, on a long enough timeline, it's you, you rack up enough wins.
00:10:38.620Those people don't feel as emboldened, right?
00:10:40.960Because if, if the Renee goods of America are just sitting at home and complaining on Reddit, then it, that's, that's not really a problem.
00:10:50.140The problem is when the Renee goods of America are going out and putting federal law enforcement in self-defense situations when they're ramming federal law enforcement with their cars.
00:11:02.140So what I'm hoping happens here is we're able to triumph essentially in Minneapolis.
00:11:08.840We're able to, uh, DHS is able to pull off its operation successfully and that people, it sends a message that, look, you can go out there and you're just going to get arrested.
00:11:20.540I think you have the right to protest, but anything beyond that, which obviously if you've seen any of the footage, the, the freaks in Minneapolis are going well beyond, um, but, but yeah, there's a longer question, Tate, uh, a broader discussion that needs to be had about, you know, what, what is going to happen in this country, um, when, you know, even as the right wins, uh, elements of the left grow increasingly desperate and, you know, turn to violence, terrorism, and, and these sorts of things.
00:11:46.820The last I'll say on this is, you know, people notice that the resistance, uh, if you remember that from Trump's first term, uh, was not here after Trump won.
00:11:56.340You know, you had this in 2017, you had just this wave of like all of these, you know, liberals and like influencers, Democrat officials, you know, all of that.
00:12:05.280And it was that there was very little of that after Trump won, like a lot of institutions buckled to Trump, um, you know, tech like this, the business world.
00:12:14.380And, um, but the left, that doesn't mean everyone gave up on the left.
00:12:18.520It means that the left realized it was losing and the more radical elements became even more radicalized.
00:12:24.620And that's why you're seeing a lot of the stuff that you've seen.
00:12:26.700That's why you saw, of course, the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk.
00:12:29.800This is what you saw in the sixties and the seventies as well, you know, with the weather underground and, um, the black liberation army, these like straight up left-wing terrorist organizations, right?
00:12:39.120That, that they did that because the sixties didn't turn into a straight up communist revolution.
00:12:44.660There's a lot of like commie stuff in the sixties, but, uh, you know, you had, you had Nixon that won in what 68.
00:12:49.780And, um, you know, from that point on the leftists were like, wait, this wasn't what's supposed to happen.
00:12:54.620So they turned to terrorism and, uh, you're seeing that again now.
00:12:59.260I'm like, the reason they're doing this, the reason that they do kill Charlie Kirk is because in a way they do feel backed into a corner.
00:13:04.420So in a weird way, it's an indication that we are winning.
00:13:07.560Um, but it just, you know, furthers the point that like, this is why you have to really stamp out every level that you have legally available to you.
00:13:15.920Cause I mean, that, that's sort of the thing.
00:13:18.080Like we're talking about the two different things.
00:13:19.900I kind of want to almost steel, man, maybe the people on the right that are a little uncomfortable with what's going on, because I actually understand it.
00:13:27.540I mean, we're on rumble, but this audience, especially has been tapped into the political zeitgeist for a long time.
00:13:33.100They, you know, experienced the Biden winner.
00:13:35.240They were tapped into the news cycle every day.
00:13:36.620I, I can, I can understand the impulse to be almost hesitant when you see the federal government making these, you know, broad overtures, making these, you know, you know, these, you know, decisive decisions.
00:13:48.940Because we're so used to that apparatus being weaponized against right wingers.
00:13:53.660It's been this way for 60, 70 years, even when Republicans were in office, it's still in many ways, this entire apparatus was pointed towards, for all intents and purposes, oppressing the right.
00:14:03.800I mean, making it more difficult for us to enact our means, these sorts of things.
00:14:07.720So I can actually kind of, to a degree, understand why you're seeing a lot of these commentators on the right sort of stick their head up and kind of counter signal, for lack of a better word, some of these actions the Trump administration is making.
00:14:19.600What would your sort of pitch be to those people, or maybe not pitch, but what would your sort of message be towards those people who are like, I don't know, what if they turn this back around on us in four years?
00:14:30.160Like, you know, are we sure this is the correct direction to go?
00:14:38.200Let's say, worst case scenario, you know, Vance gets the nomination.
00:14:42.700Vance getting the nomination, so that's not the worst case scenario.
00:14:44.980Vance gets the nomination, whoever gets the nomination, loses on the Republican side, and you get President Newsom or something.
00:14:50.920President Newsom is going to gut ICE, is what he's going to do.
00:14:54.560The likelihood of him keeping ICE and deploying ICE agents to harass, I guess, normal Americans, it's just, that isn't what ICE does, basically.
00:15:10.580I mean, I understand, especially if you have more libertarian, inclined members of the audience, you know, there are people that are part of the MAGA coalition, to be sure, some of them.
00:15:21.040It's just not, it's not going to happen.
00:15:23.240And also, the Democrats will, like, do what they can to screw with the right, but they're not going to be sending ICE agents to, like, hunt right-wing people down because they posted something critical of the Democrats or something online.
00:15:38.100That's just not really what it would look like.
00:15:39.980They really want to gut ICE because they'll be afraid that, you know, if they keep ICE the same, like, huge level of, you know, with as many ICE agents, with all of the funding that ICE has received under Trump, thanks to the big, beautiful bill, that it's going to be, you know, that in the next Republican administration, they're going to use it.
00:16:03.800So, like, the next time the Dems get power, they're going to try to gut ICE.
00:16:07.040Whether or not they abolish it remains to be seen.
00:16:10.160Those calls are obviously sort of resurfacing here.
00:16:14.260But I think that, I think on some level the Democrats understand that they have to, like, at least pretend to be doing border security.
00:16:22.820So, I think they would gut ICE, but they would say they're making it more efficient.
00:16:26.760They're just saying, oh, we're not using this.
00:16:28.400So, I'm actually not worried about that.
00:16:30.260Now, there's a separate argument that, you know, seeing masked, you know, seeing the feds rolling, you know, like a few hundred deep, I mean, overall, there are thousands of federal agents in Minneapolis, which, as far as I'm concerned, is a good thing.
00:16:43.300Given how lawless and anarchic it's become, there's an optics concern, though, right, because we have to win, you know, elections, we have to win midterms, we have to win.
00:16:53.160So, you know, you can't just go, like, super hardcore and ignore public opinion.
00:16:58.560And, you know, there's some evidence that public opinion is kind of, you know, people kind of soured a bit on the deportations.
00:17:05.240But, you know, that is what Trump was elected to do.
00:17:09.200So, and it's necessary for the country.
00:17:11.760So, I'm a little more sympathetic to that one is, you know, is this going to hurt us long-term politically?
00:17:18.140And that's why I think it's important.
00:17:19.780I, ultimately, you do need to dispatch, like, ICE agents to go.
00:17:23.380Because these guys are not just going out.
00:17:25.360These guys are, you know, when they converge on a city like this, they are prioritizing.
00:17:29.780It doesn't mean they're only going for the criminals, but they're prioritizing, like, the straight-up party criminals.
00:17:33.720This guy, Jonathan Ross, the hero ICE Patriot, who shot in self-defense, Rene, Rene Good.
00:17:40.860But, you know, when he previously was run over, he was dragged 300 feet, Tate.
00:17:46.680And his arm was, because he had tried to break into the window of the car.
00:17:58.300This illegal that he was trying to get, and I think they did get eventually, was a convicted child molester.
00:18:03.580So, like, wow, when they're sending the feds in, these are the people, this is the scum that Rene Good and these other delusional, you know, anti-ICE libtars are trying to keep literally on the streets, keep in our country.
00:18:32.740We don't want to lean into that too much.
00:18:35.200On social media, you know, official government Twitter accounts probably shouldn't highlight protesters getting owned by, you know, pepper spray or something of the sort.
00:18:44.240Even though I like it, but I can, you know, we'll see the clips from other accounts.
00:18:47.680So, I think the optics concern is good.
00:18:51.200And also, the last thing I'd say is we also have to work toward, you know, during Operation Wetback, which prior to this was the biggest, you know, mass deportation campaign in American history, there was a 1 to 10 ratio of someone who was deported, like, physically removed from the country, and people who self-deported.
00:19:11.400Because the other illegals are like, holy cow.
00:19:13.740And I think that's part of Trump's tactics.
00:19:15.840If you're in a city and you see, like, thousands of ICE agents, and it's literally the only thing people are talking about in American media, yeah, you bet.
00:19:26.320If you're an illegal immigrant, you're getting the hell out of there.
00:19:29.880I've seen, like, libs who are not illegal saying, like, I'm getting out of Minneapolis.
00:19:34.920So, obviously, illegals are scared as well.
00:19:38.300So, we want there to be mass deportations.
00:19:40.740And a lot of that is going to happen, obviously, through self-deportations.
00:19:46.060The last thing I'll say is we don't have to physically remove all of them.
00:19:50.160Putting on, like, a big scary show is, you know, it might spook voters a little bit.
00:19:54.100But, yeah, it's helping get these people out on their own, which is the ideal way of doing it.
00:19:57.980You don't want to have to physically haul every one of these, you know, I don't know how many tens of millions of illegals out of the country.
00:20:03.120And other things, like E-Verify, other things, like making it harder for illegals to, you know, get driver's licenses, jobs, these sorts of things.
00:20:12.380I know a lot of this happens at the state level.
00:20:14.120But these sorts of measures need to happen in conjunction with the physical removals that ICE, so far, is doing a pretty good job of doing.
00:20:22.760Well, yeah, because, I mean, that's the response people give with the optics question.
00:20:26.260They're like, well, it's not politically prudent to conduct these sort of shock and awe operations.
00:20:30.440My counterpoint is, like, you know what's not politically prudent is if you take your time and you're a little slower on these things and they start having kids and they stay in the country and they vote.
00:20:39.200Like, that's much more politically inexpedient than just, like, ripping the Band-Aid now.
00:20:43.200You take, like, five points off in the polls.
00:20:45.100You can make that back up by the midterms because there's something to be said.
00:20:48.060I mean, other guests have, you know, mentioned this on the show is, like, look, the American news cycle spins very fast.
00:21:08.440Part of the reason people are so dissatisfied, not everybody, but, you know, a proportion of the base is dissatisfied with sort of Trump's performance on immigration so far is because they got used to the new elevated standard.
00:21:20.200I mean, I make this point all the time.
00:21:21.320Like, we're at net negative migration.
00:21:24.740Like, five years ago, if you advocated for net negative migration on a conservative panel, you would have gotten, like, tossed off and called a white supremacist or something.
00:21:31.720And then now that's the official policy of the United States government.
00:21:42.500But it's, like, we kind of had to stop.
00:21:45.460It's easy for people, like Zoomers especially, I mean, because I was 14 when Trump came down the escalator.
00:21:50.460Like, I only know politics in the context of Trump.
00:21:54.840So maybe it's important to, like, look back and say, even compared to Trump won, hey, we've moved the football, like, 20, 30 yards down the field.
00:22:03.300If we just keep with this momentum, we're going to be okay.
00:22:27.360Because, again, and then you'll have these people.
00:22:29.960It's a lot of people on the left, too, where they're, like, critical of the optics and the shock and all.
00:22:33.820But then they're also, like, complaining about how the mass deportations are too slow.
00:22:37.460I'm, like, what did you think this was going to look like?
00:22:39.820I got clipped by Media Matters because I said, like, you know, when the podcast bros were, like, wow, these ICE videos, they look pretty bad.
00:23:17.320No, look, during the first Trump term, we, Trump has done more in one year than he did in his first term.
00:23:24.660And that's what a lot of people have forgotten.
00:23:26.400Also, no one was talking about most of these issues, certainly not at the national political level.
00:23:34.760In 2012, when Romney was challenging Barack Obama in one of their presidential, you know, one of the debates, the moderator asked Mitt Romney, what would you do about, you know, all of these illegals in the country or, you know, some equivalent, you know, something along those lines.
00:23:51.100And he said he advocated for self-deportation.
00:23:53.800Now, we hear that and we say, well, yeah, but that's, you know, just you have to do something to make these people self-deport.
00:24:00.940Well, even just saying something as milquetoast as that garnered, you know, immense, you know, created a lot of controversy.
00:24:09.360Even Rens Priebus, who was the chair of the RNC at that time, he denounced those comments as, and I quote, heinous.
00:24:16.900So this is, this is the pre-Trump GOP.
00:24:19.520And yeah, you Zoomers out there, especially you younger ones, I know you get it, Tate, but some of them have just, all they've known politically is Trump.
00:24:27.640So they're like, why isn't, why isn't Trump opened up a portal to a Garfield yet?
00:24:30.820It's like, well, you know, first of all, that was never really one of his campaign promises.
00:25:00.700There are a lot of things that I would like Trump to do that he's not going to do.
00:25:04.840I would like an immigration moratorium or some kind of legislation that would considerably limit legal immigration into this country.
00:25:12.220Because a lot of the bad stuff that happens, Tate, through immigration happens regardless of whether the people come in legally or illegally.
00:25:19.360Look at Minneapolis when they're, when they're busting these fraud rings, most of the Somalis who get charged are U.S. citizens.
00:25:28.320These are not people that like should have been, had, had that offer to become citizens in the first place.
00:25:34.880So I, you know, there's, there's stuff that we can be critical of with Trump, but you just got to remember things have moved very far in the right direction.
00:25:42.740There's a lot of good stuff happening.
00:25:44.300And there are people online that are trying to turn you against Trump because selling outrage porn is the only way that they can stay relevant as influencers.
00:25:53.800So you people, you know, watching this in the audience, I would encourage them to just kind of be on the lookout for that.
00:25:59.060Are these people, a lot of these people are, are trying to lead you astray.
00:26:02.360They're trying to turn you against Trump because they view they're, they're more concerned with their own career as, as an influencer.
00:26:09.420Or, um, yeah, so it's, uh, but yeah, no, things, things are going pretty well overall.
00:26:13.920There's a lot that needs to happen in the remainder of Trump's, uh, second term.
00:26:17.500Um, but like I said, in his first term on basically every major issue on immigration, right.
00:26:22.900Ended the border crisis almost overnight.
00:26:45.900As you've pointed out, he secured the single greatest increase in immigration enforcement funding in U S history.
00:26:51.760Uh, he's taken an ax to this anti-white sort of civil rights bureaucracy.
00:26:56.700He's done the most damage to anti-white discrimination and similar policies since these policies were introduced in the sixties.
00:27:02.640You know, everyone, all for all, everyone wants to talk about Reagan and Nixon, these sort of anti deep state, um, you know, like meritocracy figures, I guess.
00:27:11.560Um, although, uh, Nixon was the last of the, the sort of the great society, uh, presidents, but, um, they, they did nothing even remotely approaching what Donald Trump has done.
00:27:21.500Um, uh, to combat this insane race, communist, uh, bureaucracy that's, that's, you know, festered in the, in the American government.
00:27:29.300So there's, and there's a lot of other great stuff that's happened just in the first year.
00:27:32.760And I'm sure there's plenty, plenty more to come.
00:27:36.620The clip the other day with Trump, where, uh, he was just kind of like off of this, you know, he just instinctually understands these things.
00:27:41.740Cause he was just like kind of throwing the idea around with, with the anti-white racism, sort of how to combat it.
00:27:48.640They're just like really getting roughed up out there.
00:27:50.340Like he, he doesn't have these like elaborate political philosophies and like these nerdy, like wonky, you know, policy institutes that he's reading.
00:27:57.940He just instinctually understands a lot of these issues right away.
00:28:02.580Sometimes the policy comes out, you know, a little sloppy sometimes, but it's like, again, you just look at these things.
00:28:08.500You look at the record, you look at the wins we've had, and you're like, this is just clearly someone who instinctually understands these things.
00:28:15.040This is clearly someone who, um, is able to assemble a team that's directionally correct.
00:28:21.280And I just don't really understand why you would throw a, you know, something in the spokes other than, like you said, that's just kind of self-interest almost.
00:28:29.200And this is also interesting when, when Trump won, I, I didn't understand this impetus from a lot of people, a lot of really, you know, guys that I respect and like a lot where they were saying like,
00:28:37.900look, the conservative movement is not poised to, to govern.
00:28:44.100Like, you know, Trump, like this team he's assembling is fantastic.
00:28:46.420I didn't realize he was talking about everyone else.
00:28:48.740I didn't realize that they were talking about like, as soon as we are in a position to lead, suddenly we would lose faith in ourselves to wield power.
00:28:54.760And people would get like suspicious or skeptical and it would just turn into a massive dog pile.
00:28:59.720And that in many ways is what's happened, but I mean, that's why Trump, it's great that he's president because that gives us something to rally or rally around.
00:29:06.960But yeah, with that, Pat, I want your final thoughts and more importantly, where people can find you for more.
00:29:15.020Well, you really can't respect the officers who are going out and doing this work enough.
00:29:22.280They really, you know, if you know any of them, you know, buy him a drink or something, basically, because these people understand, especially in the aftermath of the Jonathan Ross shooting, a justified shooting of Rene Gold, that they're, they're risking their reputations.
00:29:39.540I mean, his family basically had to go into hiding, you know, how insane people on the other side are.
00:29:44.080They're risking, you know, obviously they're putting their lives on the line.
00:29:48.380They're risking their safety, you know, they're risking, you know, you know, dad not coming home, you know, it's crazy stuff.
00:29:55.620And also they're risking the potential for, you know, serious legal problems in the event that whenever there's a subsequent Democrat administration.
00:30:05.740So these, these guys and gals, because I guess some of them are women too, deserve all of our respect.
00:30:12.920You know, that's, that's, uh, what little we can do, but, um, you know, I know people involved in this sort of work and yeah, they like, they're on social media.
00:30:20.460They like, you know, it's good to see that there are people out there that, you know, that, that don't hate them.
00:30:25.280So we, we just definitely have to let that be known.
00:30:28.280And, um, yeah, that's, uh, that's basically all I have here.
00:30:32.280So yeah, people can go to patrickcasey.com.
00:30:34.440They can follow me on X at restore order USA.
00:30:38.020And that's also my Instagram, uh, username.