The Culture War - Tim Pool - November 04, 2025


Whales Make HUGE BETS On Cuomo To BEAT Mamdani, Democrats Go FULL Communist ft. Batya Ungar-Sargon

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Tim Pool Phil Labonte Hannah Claire Brimelow
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Tucker Carlson Zoran Mamdani Andrew Cuomo Mom Donnie Nick Fuentes Donald Trump Bhatia Charlie Kirk Vladimir Putin Jessica Tisch Anna Paulina Luna Brandon Johnson DeVorey Darkins Connects Ontario Steven Crowder Candace Owens Kathy Hochul Mark Grimes Eric Adams Bill Maher and 12 more
New Yorkers TO FLEE NYC If Mamadani Wins, Communists Are TAKING OVER ft. Gavin McInnes Zohran Wins BIG With Anti-White Rhetoric, NYC Is COOKED ft. Scott Greer

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On today's show, we have a special guest on the show, Bhatia Unger Sargen. She joins us to discuss the recent election results in the New York City Mayor's race, and how Zoran Mamdani is likely to win the race. We also talk about the growing problem of anti-Semitism in the Democratic primary, and what we can do about it.

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00:01:29.140 I'm really despondent about the tolerance and acceptance for political violence on the left.
00:01:36.280 It's not a both sides issue.
00:01:38.420 That's a canard.
00:01:40.740 Mamdani himself, it's so amazing, Tim, because he was so disciplined throughout the campaign,
00:01:45.940 focused on, you know, affordability or whatever.
00:01:48.080 But then right in that last week, he just couldn't help taking a hit off that grievance bong
00:01:54.480 and came out with that whole Islamophobia thing.
00:01:58.180 Several bomb threats were made in New Jersey today as the election continues over who's going
00:02:04.940 to win the governor's race, who's going to win the mayor race in New York.
00:02:08.520 Plus, we have Virginia, Pennsylvania.
00:02:10.180 It's getting pretty interesting.
00:02:12.400 But Mamdani is blaming Trump for the threats and the intimidation, despite the fact that
00:02:16.860 we have videos showing leftists assaulting ICE agents once again, ramming vehicles, kicking
00:02:24.700 these feds when they attempt to arrest these people.
00:02:27.300 In one video the other day, we saw somebody run up to a DHS vehicle and pop the door open
00:02:31.700 to help an illegal alien escape custody.
00:02:35.560 What's happening in this country is getting pretty crazy.
00:02:39.360 And if Zoran Mamdani wins in New York, around a million people are expected to flee the city.
00:02:45.900 I wonder if that'll actually happen.
00:02:48.760 Well, we're going to bring in Bhatia Unger Sargon to discuss these issues. 0.97
00:02:53.740 Let's see if we've got to.
00:02:54.780 It looks like everything is working well.
00:02:56.520 Well, let's kick it up.
00:02:59.460 And here we go.
00:03:00.200 Bhatia, how's it going?
00:03:01.420 Can you hear me?
00:03:05.040 Apparently she can't.
00:03:10.080 Bhatia, can you hear me?
00:03:13.120 Nope.
00:03:13.820 I believe she may be, she may have her system muted. 0.55
00:03:18.380 Can you hear me?
00:03:19.900 Yes.
00:03:20.480 Hi, Tim.
00:03:20.860 Oh, okay.
00:03:21.140 There you go.
00:03:22.120 How's it going?
00:03:23.120 It's going well.
00:03:23.980 Thanks for joining.
00:03:25.180 Thanks for having me.
00:03:26.120 I'm always so happy to see you.
00:03:27.520 Absolutely.
00:03:28.380 So I've got some questions about what's going on in general politics across this country.
00:03:32.960 But New York's the big story right now.
00:03:35.040 Not just New York, but New Jersey.
00:03:36.300 We saw these bomb threats.
00:03:38.360 Mamdani is blaming Trump, saying it's this intimidation.
00:03:41.540 And they're trying to stop Democrats from winning.
00:03:43.780 The first is the easy question.
00:03:45.760 And it's a question that won't last much longer than today.
00:03:48.360 But do you think Mamdani is going to win?
00:03:51.120 He's probably going to win.
00:03:52.280 Uh-oh.
00:03:52.840 Um, despite, um, you know, Cuomo got much closer towards the end.
00:03:59.800 There was a huge mobilization effort in the Jewish community, in the Orthodox community,
00:04:04.620 um, to get people to show up.
00:04:07.080 Really thousands of people turned out who don't ordinarily vote.
00:04:10.220 Um, but I just don't know that it's enough.
00:04:12.860 What Mamdani did, and this is a bitter pill to swallow, but we have to be honest. 0.75
00:04:18.360 If we want to prevent something like this in the future, he won, he ran a very good campaign.
00:04:24.680 And it is extremely important to understand how he did it, because it's not rocket science.
00:04:32.100 He identified three constituencies and, like, brilliantly crafted messaging that would sort
00:04:40.940 of find the overlap between them.
00:04:43.400 So his constituencies were Muslims, South Asians, and then these 20 to 30-something, over-educated,
00:04:53.460 over-credentialed, downwardly mobile hipsters in Bushwick and Brooklyn, who think they're the
00:05:00.980 working class because they failed to get, like, amazing jobs and have student loan from getting, 0.94
00:05:07.320 you know, degree upon degree upon degree.
00:05:09.200 They have enormous contempt for labor.
00:05:12.720 And as a result, they want things from the government, despite him being, like, the most
00:05:17.420 privileged people on planet Earth.
00:05:19.900 And Mamdani is their avatar.
00:05:22.840 This is a guy who's, like, a total Nepo baby, never worked a day in his life, lives off his 1.00
00:05:28.900 parents, but makes it seem cool, right?
00:05:31.740 Like, it's cool to, like, live off your parents, be a total failure if you can make great content
00:05:38.080 for social.
00:05:39.300 Okay, so that's how he got those people.
00:05:41.620 He got Muslims by making ads in Arabic, by being one of them, by very clearly catering 1.00
00:05:49.540 to them and pandering to them and using Israel in this really interesting way that could activate
00:05:55.800 both the 20 to 30-something over-credentialed people who are all anti-Zionists and the Muslims
00:06:02.280 and the South Asians who are really against Israel and pro-Palestinian.
00:06:08.040 And so he did this kind of interweaving of messaging, despite the fact that he's, like,
00:06:13.100 he doesn't believe anything.
00:06:14.020 He's not, like, a real politician.
00:06:15.760 It's, like, politics as lifestyle brand.
00:06:19.140 And it's just really, I think, important that we acknowledge how smart this was so that
00:06:24.900 we can defeat it next time around instead of sitting here, like, being butthurt about it,
00:06:28.720 you know?
00:06:28.960 I got to give it to him.
00:06:31.300 What I will say is I think you've nailed it, especially with these over-educated young
00:06:36.220 people.
00:06:37.160 The issue that we're dealing with, though, is these over-educated young people are actually 1.00
00:06:41.300 really, really stupid. 1.00
00:06:43.820 Zohan Mamdani is offering things that make literally no sense. 1.00
00:06:48.700 He's, I'm going to make the buses free and go faster.
00:06:51.600 And not a single person asks, what does that mean?
00:06:54.860 If the buses could be free, they'd be free.
00:06:57.460 So, like, you pay for them because there are workers, there is maintenance, there's
00:07:01.640 storage, there's fuel, there's energy they've got to use for these buses.
00:07:05.220 The money sustains that.
00:07:07.340 So here's my pitch.
00:07:08.420 Here's my pitch.
00:07:09.040 I know how we beat Mamdani's in the future. 0.99
00:07:11.080 I mean, more people like them.
00:07:13.120 My proposal is I will run for office, and I'm not just going to make the buses free.
00:07:21.180 That's offensive.
00:07:22.640 When you board my bus, a machine will spit out a $5 bill just for you.
00:07:28.260 And faster?
00:07:30.460 You're going to make them go faster?
00:07:31.360 No, no, no, no, no.
00:07:31.900 I'm going to make them fly. 0.89
00:07:33.700 I don't need to explain how it's possible as long as enough retards vote for me because 1.00
00:07:38.080 they want free stuff.
00:07:39.000 So you've got a guy who literally is offering up things that make no sense.
00:07:45.100 And it's funny because when I talk to my friends and my family, you know, my wife is like,
00:07:48.740 has Mamdani explained how you pay for these things?
00:07:51.500 No, of course not.
00:07:52.940 Because you can't.
00:07:54.320 A really great example of where we're going is AOC.
00:07:56.720 AOC, when Amazon wanted to bring jobs to New York, they offered a tax break over 10 years.
00:08:03.680 They said, you will save $3 billion in taxes spent.
00:08:08.860 AOC then claimed that was a grant of $3 billion cash for them to spend because she doesn't
00:08:16.060 understand math.
00:08:18.080 I don't know how we—you're not going to educate these young people. 1.00
00:08:23.140 They're stupid. 1.00
00:08:24.280 They don't—they've not held jobs in a management position. 1.00
00:08:27.500 They think communism works because they've never actually run a business.
00:08:31.580 They've never actually organized anything.
00:08:34.200 This is why people like Mamdani win.
00:08:37.020 And you know what the worst part is?
00:08:40.020 We're going to operate on the assumption right now Mamdani won.
00:08:42.300 Although, to be honest, I wagered for Cuomo.
00:08:44.940 But what's going to happen is—
00:08:46.000 Good for you.
00:08:46.600 When Mamdani ultimately fails in these policies, the response from them is going to be an excuse.
00:08:54.860 It's because Trump obstructed us.
00:08:57.240 It's because the capitalists interfered.
00:09:00.040 It's exactly what they said about Venezuela.
00:09:01.880 The thing that makes this so funny is that the subway and the buses pretty much are already
00:09:09.860 free because they don't enforce fare evasion.
00:09:14.340 So I like a good—every time I get on the subway three, four times a week, I feel like 0.91
00:09:20.020 a complete idiot because I'm paying and there's 15 kids just jumping the turnstile. 0.85
00:09:24.720 So they're already free. 1.00
00:09:25.820 That's A.
00:09:26.220 B is why the buses and not the subway, right?
00:09:29.140 It makes no sense.
00:09:30.100 Like, really, very few people take the bus in New York, and it's because those 20 to 1.00
00:09:34.460 30-somethings don't take the bus, right? 1.00
00:09:36.960 This is what I'm trying to explain to you.
00:09:38.060 Like, they don't actually want him to do any of this stuff.
00:09:40.800 They would never dream of shopping in an Aldi.
00:09:45.000 Forget about a free supermarket.
00:09:47.520 These are people who spend $12 on a cold brew, okay, Tim?
00:09:51.500 It's all one big virtue signal. 0.99
00:09:54.660 They feel like the government should pay them to make their shitty podcasts. 0.96
00:09:59.820 And this is just a protest vote for them because he embodies everything that made them feel 0.98
00:10:05.860 like failures.
00:10:06.680 And it's just—it's so amazing to see, like, how in it they are.
00:10:11.040 Like, there's no distance between them and any of this stuff.
00:10:14.580 Like, of course, you can be a socialist if your parents are funding your life, which is,
00:10:18.380 I think, what's going on for a lot of these people, including Mom Donnie himself.
00:10:21.980 I think, you know, it was really—it was actually fairly terrifying to wake up and
00:10:26.820 see all the bomb threats in New Jersey, seven locations, and young people are increasingly
00:10:33.220 embracing violence.
00:10:35.300 Yeah.
00:10:35.880 Unsurprisingly, Mom Donnie then blamed Trump for the bomb threats. 0.99
00:10:40.420 I don't—I don't care either way.
00:10:42.620 The bomb threats are a bad thing.
00:10:44.140 And we were actually just talking about this a few—I've been talking about this actually
00:10:49.180 for several weeks now, that we're going to get to the point with our elections where
00:10:52.720 you have bomb threats or actual terror attacks, and that will be used to discredit the results.
00:10:57.900 Now, because of this, if Cittarelli wins in New Jersey, you know that these Democrats are
00:11:02.620 going to—are going to say it's because of the bomb threats disenfranchising voters.
00:11:05.620 We're seeing this escalation of violent rhetoric, threats of violence, and this past year, just
00:11:11.140 overt terror attacks across the country, especially considering the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
00:11:17.420 I'm curious what you think happens in these places or in this country moving forward with
00:11:22.980 our elections, considering.
00:11:24.100 I'm really despondent about the tolerance and acceptance for political violence on the left.
00:11:33.260 It's not a both-sides issue.
00:11:35.380 That's a canard.
00:11:37.740 Mom Donnie himself, it's so amazing, Tim, because he was so disciplined throughout the campaign,
00:11:42.900 focused on, you know, affordability or whatever.
00:11:45.720 But then right in that last week, he just couldn't help taking a hit off that grievance bong and
00:11:51.680 came out with that whole Islamophobia thing, which Islamophobia to me is—it's sort of
00:11:57.160 like oppression envy, you know what I mean?
00:11:59.260 Like, they have this envy of, like, people who are actually the subject of violence, hate
00:12:06.700 crimes, violent crime, you know?
00:12:09.180 And I think there's a lot of that on the left.
00:12:11.420 They use rhetoric to turn themselves preemptively into the victims of the very violence that they
00:12:19.360 themselves are justifying and meeting out on the right.
00:12:24.240 And again, this comes right out of the university.
00:12:28.360 That kind of reversal of victim and perpetrator is just classic postmodernist, poststructuralist 0.85
00:12:35.600 crap that was imported here by the French in the 60s and 70s and was, like, safely ensconced 0.65
00:12:42.440 in the hallowed hallways of academia until it became totally mainstreamed because in this 0.99
00:12:48.080 country, the Democrats built an economy that you really needed to have a college degree
00:12:52.180 in order to achieve the American dream.
00:12:53.760 And so suddenly, having access and having spent years of your life swimming in this mind
00:12:58.980 virus crap was the only avenue to getting any kind of, you know, financial security.
00:13:04.240 And so it was totally mainstreamed.
00:13:05.740 I think it's going to be interesting to see how this transforms, right?
00:13:12.620 We're looking at an estimated, whether the reporting is true or not, but they estimate
00:13:16.580 a million people will flee New York City if Mamdani wins.
00:13:20.840 And I'm hearing people say things like, let them win, because then they're going to learn
00:13:24.680 what socialism is really like.
00:13:26.840 And my response immediately, we were talking about this the other day with Ian on IRL, Chicago
00:13:31.000 did that with Brandon Johnson, and they've not learned their lesson.
00:13:33.860 Nothing's changing.
00:13:34.480 Mamdani will win.
00:13:36.020 They'll just blame.
00:13:37.240 They'll keep saying, we need more communism, more communism.
00:13:39.360 That's the only answer.
00:13:40.680 And I think what it really comes down to at the granular level is an individual says to
00:13:44.580 themselves, maybe communism doesn't work.
00:13:47.900 But if I vote for him again, he's promising me free stuff.
00:13:51.280 So I'll take what I can get.
00:13:53.380 And then I can always flee and let the system burn down.
00:13:57.040 This, this, it feels like it's an inevitability that's going to keep getting worse.
00:14:01.080 And there's nothing we can do to stop the expansion of young people just saying, screw 1.00
00:14:05.660 it.
00:14:06.560 Everyone should pay for me.
00:14:07.700 And I don't care if it works or not.
00:14:09.500 Okay.
00:14:09.960 So the reason I feel a lot more hopeful about it is none of his proposals can he actually
00:14:14.000 like put into effect.
00:14:16.620 Kathy Hochul, I believe, has already said she's not going to raise taxes on the rich.
00:14:19.900 He can't make his own supermarkets and he can't make buses free.
00:14:22.460 The only thing he can impact, the only thing he can impact is public safety.
00:14:28.480 He can fire Jessica Tisch, who's the police commissioner, who's excellent, who has actually
00:14:33.220 crime in New York is actually like quite low.
00:14:36.160 You know, it's funny.
00:14:36.820 You see a lot of things like, you know, male influencers talking about how like dangerous
00:14:42.240 the streets of New York are.
00:14:43.700 And I'm like, dude, grow a pair.
00:14:45.440 Like, it's really not that bad.
00:14:46.840 There was a while where it was really bad.
00:14:48.180 It was really sketchy during, during COVID.
00:14:50.540 But actually, Eric Adams is kind of sad.
00:14:53.040 He never got credit for this, but he did make the subway safer.
00:14:55.820 Like it used to be, I would encounter a crazy person every week.
00:14:59.300 And now it's really once every four months or so.
00:15:02.340 So it really is much, it's nothing like Chicago.
00:15:05.780 And by the way, in Chicago as well, crime is so racially segregated.
00:15:10.620 Like if you're a young man who's black, who lives in Chicago, your life expectancy is
00:15:15.540 lower than that of the Congo.
00:15:16.900 But if you're a white person, it's actually like normal.
00:15:21.420 I mean, this is true of crime across America.
00:15:24.260 It's, it's very racially segregated.
00:15:26.460 It's, it's a lot.
00:15:27.520 And, and obviously liberals won't talk about it.
00:15:29.420 They've made it a taboo to actually admit this because the majority of violent crime 0.99
00:15:34.240 is done by blacks. 0.99
00:15:35.660 They erase the fact that it is done to blacks, like literally just making it impossible to 0.99
00:15:41.260 protect the most vulnerable.
00:15:42.280 But anyway, because of that, I think rich people don't really actually suffer from the 1.00
00:15:48.800 stupid, horrible, vile policy that they enact. 0.99
00:15:51.680 It's always the poor who can't afford to actually move. 1.00
00:15:55.160 Yeah.
00:15:55.460 Defunding the police.
00:15:57.160 Who's it going to affect?
00:15:58.080 So, so he promised he was going to defund the police before throughout the campaign.
00:16:01.500 He said he's learned his lesson.
00:16:03.240 He's going to, he promised to keep Jessica Tish.
00:16:06.140 If he keeps that promise, you know, everything will be okay. 0.98
00:16:10.500 You know, he, he hates the Jews. 0.97
00:16:12.300 It's fine. 0.95
00:16:12.720 Like, I, I really don't care what he thinks about that.
00:16:14.740 Like, it's fine.
00:16:15.560 Like, as long as he protects my synagogue, as long as he doesn't tell the cop that has
00:16:19.740 to stand there on, on, on Shabbos to protect us from being shot up.
00:16:22.620 Like, so as long as that to me is the only thing that really, really matters.
00:16:26.900 And he's promised to keep her.
00:16:28.420 If he breaks that campaign problems, just one more thing, very briefly.
00:16:31.460 Mom, Donnie is very popular 40% in New York.
00:16:34.960 He never cracked 50% and he's very unpopular nationally.
00:16:38.420 So there's a very high chance that the Democrats will learn the exact wrong lesson from this
00:16:43.820 and it'll hurt them.
00:16:45.080 I think Cuomo could actually win.
00:16:46.540 So I was looking at, there's an interesting post from Call She, where they said externally,
00:16:50.940 like nationwide, the, the, the people trading on the New York race give Mom Donnie 90% chance 1.00
00:16:58.620 to win and, uh, 11% to Cuomo, which is weird.
00:17:02.640 It's greater than a hundred percent, whatever that means.
00:17:03.980 However, inside of New York, Cuomo has a 9% edge on Mom Donnie.
00:17:10.820 So he's at 49 to 40.
00:17:12.840 The people who live in New York, who are buying, who are betting on this race are betting Cuomo
00:17:18.120 is going to win.
00:17:18.840 And just recently data came out suggesting major whales are dropping tens of thousands of dollars
00:17:24.460 this morning on Cuomo to win.
00:17:26.240 I actually think the perception of Mom Donnie may, it may be influenced by the national level
00:17:32.440 political machine claiming that he's this very popular character when he might not actually be.
00:17:38.800 So the other day I saw this and I said, okay, it's a value bet.
00:17:42.620 I put 400 bucks down on Cuomo to win.
00:17:44.620 And if he does, I get paid out $5,217 or something.
00:17:50.220 How cool.
00:17:51.660 Now I, I, I do, I do believe that Mom Donnie has the edge to win, but the odds don't make sense.
00:17:58.820 Cuomo has a much better chance of winning than 10%.
00:18:02.940 That's a weird number to give, but I guess people are so convinced.
00:18:06.440 But when you, again, look at the data inside New York, Cuomo is actually leading.
00:18:11.240 So I wonder, you know, they, they, they do this strategy, the Democrats, the progressives,
00:18:16.480 where they go for the primary because they know most people don't vote in the primary
00:18:19.640 and they can easily convince Democrat activists to vote for their Democrat activist candidate.
00:18:24.220 But when it comes to the actual city itself, do they want someone as radical as Mom Donnie
00:18:29.520 making these pie in the sky promises he can't ever fulfill?
00:18:32.660 I think Cuomo's got a chance to win.
00:18:34.040 I think, I think he's being underestimated.
00:18:36.440 I love that you're saying that.
00:18:38.080 I've been saying that for the last two weeks, especially since I've been seeing the voter,
00:18:41.620 the early voting, and that's been very much weighted in Cuomo's favor.
00:18:45.940 I'll just say two things.
00:18:47.000 The first, which supports what you're saying, I've been, I have four screens up in my office.
00:18:51.320 Every person of color who has been interviewed in New York over the last week is voting for Cuomo.
00:18:57.300 Wow.
00:18:57.680 And every white kid or white person is voting for Mom Donnie. 1.00
00:19:01.200 So it's really going to come down to voter turnout.
00:19:04.700 I do have to say, Tim, I am enraged at Andrew Cuomo for running the worst campaign I've ever seen,
00:19:12.760 for never once giving a single person a reason to vote for him except to stop the other guy. 0.96
00:19:19.260 Like, how pathetic is that? 0.99
00:19:20.920 Like, how cucked is that? 0.99
00:19:22.260 Like, you literally have nothing to offer us except our, you know, fear of that guy. 0.96
00:19:27.940 It's so lame.
00:19:29.220 He never reached out to Republicans.
00:19:31.260 It was all just so entitled.
00:19:33.660 And so I think a lot of people are going to be standing there and looking at Sliwa's name
00:19:37.640 and looking at Cuomo's name.
00:19:39.540 Like, objectively, if it was between the two of them, Sliwa deserves it so much more.
00:19:44.700 It's just that you know Sliwa can't win because New Yorkers are all Democrats. 0.98
00:19:48.440 So the whole thing is so fascinating.
00:19:50.440 I've never been in a situation like this.
00:19:51.720 One other quick, quick thing I have to say, like, I didn't quite realize, like, something
00:19:58.140 that really hit me today was we're never going to get to vote for Donald Trump again.
00:20:02.820 Like, that feeling you had going in and being like, this person is going to break everything 0.77
00:20:10.960 that sucks and spit at every person who had contempt for me and rewrite the whole story 0.88
00:20:17.500 to make, you know, life better for working class Americans and then to see him do it 0.98
00:20:22.360 for the last year.
00:20:23.400 Like, the euphoria I got from that and continue to get from that.
00:20:27.600 Like, I just I was like, but yeah, you're not getting that again.
00:20:31.100 That's not what it's supposed to feel like every time.
00:20:33.700 It's never going to feel like that again, probably.
00:20:36.000 Just like slow your roll here.
00:20:38.540 So I made this point on Twitter a while ago, half jokingly.
00:20:41.800 I said Israel is the new left-right divide, and I don't think people understood the point 0.99
00:20:48.260 I was making.
00:20:48.980 It's a generality, but on the—there are moderate Democrats very pro-Israel, moderate Republicans
00:20:55.300 very pro-Israel, and then the emergent left and the emergent right are both very anti-Israel.
00:21:01.180 And I'm half joking, saying I see a possibility in the future where moderate Republicans and liberals
00:21:07.860 actually come together, and then it kind of rotates to a new left and right where Israel
00:21:13.280 becomes this central focus, because you've got young, right-leaning individuals—I don't even
00:21:18.760 know if right-leaning is the right word—that just hate Israel.
00:21:21.580 The left, of course, just hates Israel, and I feel like that could be a penchiality in the future.
00:21:27.060 But the question I want to ask you is, what did Zoran Mamdani mean when he said the boots
00:21:33.260 of the NYPD are laced by the IDF?
00:21:35.760 What I wanted to know is when he apologized to the NYPD, did that include the people lacing 0.97
00:21:42.420 their boots, right?
00:21:43.300 I mean, it was like this blanket apology.
00:21:45.100 What does this mean?
00:21:46.760 There's this meme on the left that because the IDF has developed certain methods of control
00:21:54.820 of—I don't remember exactly what it was.
00:21:57.740 So they used to do these—no, actually, it was this.
00:22:00.340 It was anti-terrorism training.
00:22:01.940 The IDF is very good at identifying suspicious objects, obviously, because people are always
00:22:06.360 trying to blow up Israelis. 0.99
00:22:07.380 And so they would do specifically identification of—I can't remember when this was, like
00:22:12.180 10 years ago.
00:22:13.180 They would have NYPD counterterrorism units train with them.
00:22:17.560 And this, of course, was blown out of proportion by the left until the IDF is importing all of 0.92
00:22:23.000 its anti-Palestinianism and whatever.
00:22:25.000 And the NYPD now, because the NYPD obviously hates people of color, therefore they got this
00:22:30.020 from Israel, I mean, it's like the typical elevation of Israel to this level of, like, 0.69
00:22:34.440 Israel is the source of all your problems. 1.00
00:22:36.200 The Jews are the source of all your problems. 1.00
00:22:37.580 I want to say something about what you said about the left-right. 0.98
00:22:40.040 I think, like, the real thing is it's going to continue to be immigration, which means
00:22:44.900 it's the divide.
00:22:46.040 Like, it's just going to—which is about the class divide.
00:22:48.820 Like, if you're a working class, you can love immigrants.
00:22:52.080 They're coming for your job.
00:22:53.320 They're bringing down the wages in your industry.
00:22:55.440 Like, it's just a fact.
00:22:56.460 It's like pure economics.
00:22:57.900 And if you are an elite or a person with a college degree working in the knowledge
00:23:01.360 industry, immigrants are labor. 1.00
00:23:03.880 They're cheap labor.
00:23:04.700 Like, that, I think, is going to continue to be the dividing line.
00:23:08.660 You know, it's interesting.
00:23:09.620 Only 13 percent of Democrats overall, not young Democrats, but Democrats overall now support
00:23:15.240 Israel, but still 71 percent of Republicans.
00:23:19.400 And Charlie at his—Charlie Kirk at the last Student Action Summit did a poll.
00:23:23.500 So this is, like, young conservatives, 75 percent of them still called themselves pro-Israel.
00:23:30.200 They're against funding Israel.
00:23:32.260 And honestly, I'm probably against that, too.
00:23:33.960 I think it really reduces Israel's sovereignty and ours. 0.93
00:23:37.280 But they still would call themselves pro-Israel.
00:23:40.220 And so I think, like, the war in Gaza was very unpopular.
00:23:44.600 But we're really going to—I don't see the—to me, like, what you're seeing now—like,
00:23:49.040 we could talk about this or not, but, like, the reaction on the right from the Christian
00:23:53.680 right, including people of all ages, to Nick Fuentes, to be like, he's not in.
00:24:00.880 You know, like, that's something you would never see on the left.
00:24:04.940 So when big influencers on the left say anti-Semitic things or platform anti-Semites, they close
00:24:10.980 ranks around the anti-Semitic element.
00:24:12.920 But right now what you're seeing against Fuentes and even against Tucker and against Heritage
00:24:17.680 is the right—the mainstream of the right saying, actually, there's no room here for
00:24:22.300 Holocaust denial.
00:24:23.700 So—and that seems to me to be really, really widespread.
00:24:27.840 And I don't think that's necessarily about Israel, but obviously it's, like, sort of
00:24:30.640 tangentially related.
00:24:31.560 Well, Tucker Carlson used to be, like, the top voice in, you know, in this movement or whatever.
00:24:38.180 And now he's interviewing Nick Fuentes, he is attacking Christian Zionists, he seems 0.96
00:24:45.220 to have very much shifted.
00:24:46.340 Candace Owens, of course, has now—very much runs this rhetoric. 0.98
00:24:50.420 And whether or not it's Nick Fuentes or not, it does feel like there's a divide on the right.
00:24:54.740 What I will say is I don't completely agree.
00:24:58.440 Here's what I predict.
00:25:00.340 I predicted that on the right you have anti-interventionists as a dominant faction.
00:25:04.600 So they don't like funding foreign countries.
00:25:07.560 It could be Ukraine, it could be Afghanistan, it could be Israel.
00:25:10.460 We shouldn't be funding it.
00:25:11.460 On the left, they just hate Israel.
00:25:13.700 It's, like, a core part of their identity.
00:25:15.520 And to be honest, I think it's not just Israel, it's the Jews. 0.99
00:25:19.260 You had, like, with the Women's March, that story from Tablet Magazine, where they were
00:25:22.660 accusing Jews of all sorts of weird conspiracies.
00:25:25.640 The right certainly has their anti-Semitic faction.
00:25:27.480 It's much smaller.
00:25:28.100 But the anti-Israel sentiment largely—I think the right has anti-intervention.
00:25:34.640 So in 10 years, when young right-wing individuals are in office and in power, they're not going
00:25:40.460 to want to fund Israel.
00:25:41.280 The left certainly doesn't want to, and Israel's likely going to get cut off.
00:25:44.640 But what I will say to your point about—
00:25:46.940 By the way, I agree with all that, and I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
00:25:50.600 Like, that's not—I don't think that's anti-Semitic at all.
00:25:53.340 I do think that Fuentes is, like, on a completely different level.
00:25:56.720 Yeah, I agree.
00:25:57.760 He's a segregationist.
00:25:59.180 You know, like, this is the kind of—like, I feel like, you know the book, The Lorax,
00:26:02.360 like, the kid's book?
00:26:03.160 Like, I speak for the trees.
00:26:04.460 Like, I speak to you as a swing voter who loves Trump and really found, like, a home
00:26:09.720 in the MAGA movement.
00:26:10.400 Like, swing voters don't vote for a party that can't say, like, Holocaust denial, 0.98
00:26:16.560 segregationism, you know, blacks are inferior. 1.00
00:26:20.100 I can't—I can't F for that, you know? 0.99
00:26:22.200 I feel like you do it right.
00:26:24.100 I mean, the way you're even approaching it right now is more upbeat, more critical.
00:26:29.400 The problem that I've seen consistently over the past several months is that the response
00:26:34.620 to Tucker and Heritage has been a massive detriment to the mainstream conservative and has massively
00:26:40.680 emboldened Tucker Carlson.
00:26:43.080 So I'm a fan of Tucker.
00:26:45.640 I don't know if I—I don't watch him consistently.
00:26:47.240 I'm not—he's allowed to have his opinions.
00:26:50.320 And what I see are holding up signs saying Tucker is not MAGA. 0.98
00:26:55.240 Yeah, no, that's pathetic. 0.99
00:26:56.600 That's pathetic. 0.99
00:26:57.280 I will just say, like, okay, I just want to give a quick analogy, okay? 0.98
00:27:01.960 I was against us funding the war in Ukraine, okay?
00:27:05.780 I don't think Putin's a good guy.
00:27:08.600 I think Russia could be a very good ally for the United States.
00:27:11.500 I don't see that this is something working-class Americans, young people who will never be 0.79
00:27:17.080 able to afford a home should be asked to pay for, okay?
00:27:19.080 That's my position.
00:27:20.760 It's extremely unpopular, as you may imagine, in the mainstream media.
00:27:23.960 I'm a mainstream pundit.
00:27:25.400 I go on TV a lot.
00:27:26.920 People really hate when you say this. 0.64
00:27:29.740 Some of the people who really hate it are Ukrainians, who will send you extremely horrible 1.00
00:27:36.140 things about you and your family and your DMs.
00:27:38.000 Some of the people who hate it are mainstream, massive figures with millions of followers
00:27:42.340 who have attacked me relentlessly. 1.00
00:27:44.960 None of that attack has pushed me to embrace Vladimir Putin as a hero and shit on Ukrainians 1.00
00:27:52.560 and Ukraine and their noble, noble effort to protect their sovereignty, okay? 0.98
00:27:57.480 Because I don't answer to the algorithm.
00:28:00.180 I answer to my God, and I have to face myself in the mirror.
00:28:03.860 So I understand.
00:28:04.920 I have an unpopular view on this.
00:28:06.960 It is the Ukraine lobby's job to call me a fascist.
00:28:12.220 It is their job not to send me death threats.
00:28:15.400 I really wish they wouldn't do that to my private home.
00:28:17.640 But it is their job to try to silence me in any way they can.
00:28:21.360 Mainstream pundits, I think, should have a little more dignity.
00:28:23.800 But I understand that people feel very strong about that.
00:28:26.560 My view is not going to be shaped in opposition to the worst element on the other side because
00:28:31.920 I answer to my God.
00:28:33.400 And I think that there's so much on the right that is following the clicks and following
00:28:38.340 the algorithm and allowing the worst element on the other side to determine.
00:28:41.740 Not you, Tim.
00:28:42.580 You are always above this.
00:28:44.160 And I just do not know how you do that because you're a content creator, but you are never
00:28:48.960 like enthralled or enslaved to your audience.
00:28:52.040 You tell them what you think.
00:28:53.160 And I just so admire that about you.
00:28:56.220 Scruples, I guess.
00:28:57.480 Remember all those conservatives who got caught taking money to promote sugary drinks for welfare
00:29:01.900 from Snap or promoting India in this trade dispute with Trump because they got paid to
00:29:07.800 do it? 0.77
00:29:08.860 That is completely disgusting to me.
00:29:11.520 I see mostly on the left. 0.93
00:29:14.460 My view of the left, the liberal faction, they want money.
00:29:18.360 And it's a means to an end.
00:29:20.700 We invited Don Lemon on the show and he responded with, or his people responded with, $50,000.
00:29:27.760 Stop! 1.00
00:29:29.020 Yeah.
00:29:30.240 So when we invite liberals all the time, even Bill Maher was pointing this out, they won't
00:29:33.800 do it.
00:29:34.560 I know.
00:29:35.120 I have the same thing on my show.
00:29:36.480 They won't come on my show.
00:29:37.640 Or they'll just say, I want an exorbitant amount of money.
00:29:40.100 We invited Naima Trout to a Culture War live show. 0.99
00:29:42.700 And she first responds with her people, not her personally, $500.
00:29:47.880 And so, no, I think they asked how much we could pay.
00:29:50.060 And we said, we don't normally pay for people to come on shows, but the Culture War is a
00:29:52.840 live stage event.
00:29:53.560 So we'll cover travel accommodation and $500 for you to attend.
00:29:57.600 They agreed, then came back later saying, you know what?
00:30:01.100 Actually, we want $5,000.
00:30:03.280 And I was like, absolutely not.
00:30:05.160 In fact, I told my team, go offer the $5,000 to some other random leftist instead, just
00:30:09.480 because, like, they also turned it down, by the way.
00:30:13.800 So I was like, hey, I respect them for turning down the $5,000 in that regard.
00:30:16.220 It was someone else.
00:30:16.780 I was like, you asked for it, you don't get it, we'll throw it to somebody else.
00:30:19.040 But that's what the left does.
00:30:20.600 The right does have these people.
00:30:22.880 But I do think, I described this phenomenon earlier in the year, how to mind break somebody.
00:30:30.160 And I believe the right is wholly susceptible to it, but the left is guaranteed to be susceptible
00:30:35.080 to it.
00:30:35.840 What you'll do is, we've actually seen this happen.
00:30:39.340 There's a fitness influencer.
00:30:40.620 I'm not going to say who they are.
00:30:41.900 And most of their content was fitness.
00:30:44.800 Then October 7th happened.
00:30:46.920 And they made a video about, you know, a lot of, it was a video where they're like, a lot
00:30:51.180 of people have been saying they wanted to get my take on this one.
00:30:53.920 I'm just a fitness guy, but I understand it's really devastating and bad what happened.
00:30:57.620 October 7th, et cetera, et cetera.
00:30:58.940 That video gets five times as many views as the normal videos they make.
00:31:03.920 So then they make another video about fitness.
00:31:06.940 They get a bunch of comments saying, what do you think about what's going on right now
00:31:10.620 with Israel?
00:31:11.480 And so they think, okay, I'll answer this.
00:31:14.300 They respond.
00:31:15.680 Here's what I think.
00:31:17.060 Uh-oh, they were pro-Israel.
00:31:19.020 To a little bit, they said, it's really sad.
00:31:20.900 I think Israel this, Israel that.
00:31:22.500 The comments all say, I appreciate you speaking up, but I think you're wrong about this.
00:31:27.920 What's happening is psychological operations, bot campaigns, and general farms in Pakistan 0.98
00:31:37.600 or Malaysia or Indonesia spam the comments very nicely suggesting, you may be wrong about
00:31:45.020 this.
00:31:45.300 Look at our source.
00:31:47.160 The content creator who once made videos about doing fitness, within a month or two of this,
00:31:52.980 their entire personality is now dedicated to Israel, and they hate Israel because they're
00:31:58.820 making 10 times as much money off the views and the ads.
00:32:01.860 And they respond with, but this is what the people wanted.
00:32:04.360 Mind-breaking through this kind of manipulation is extremely common and has been around forever
00:32:11.040 and I think is particularly pronounced.
00:32:13.280 And that's how I think you end up with people who two years ago were Israel ambivalent or
00:32:18.540 even fitness influencers.
00:32:20.540 And now they are prominent anti-Israel personalities.
00:32:24.740 I think they were attacked by a PSYOP.
00:32:26.920 I think you're allowed to criticize Israel. 0.91
00:32:29.000 I think you're allowed to hate Israel. 0.94
00:32:30.100 I think you're allowed to dedicate everything of your being to criticizing and focusing on
00:32:34.580 the war and all of those things.
00:32:36.680 But it doesn't make sense when, you know, I had a debate with someone and I said, did
00:32:41.740 you know that Ukraine has received more in two years than Israel has in 70 from the United
00:32:47.100 States?
00:32:47.660 Did you know that the president of Ukraine personally flew to our Congress and they waved
00:32:52.020 his flags?
00:32:52.940 So when they make these arguments about Israel's influence, I say, by all means, they have influence
00:32:57.060 they shouldn't have.
00:32:58.160 But so does Ukraine. 0.50
00:32:59.040 So does Sudan, for that matter. 0.98
00:33:01.900 The weird the weird thing that comes that I see is when like, by all means, again, criticize
00:33:06.880 Israel or whatever you think you're allowed to. 0.94
00:33:09.220 But it's strange when you notice someone who is like a chef on YouTube now only talks about
00:33:14.600 Israel.
00:33:15.220 Totally.
00:33:16.680 Totally.
00:33:17.320 And you see it on both sides, honestly.
00:33:19.080 Yep.
00:33:19.380 I think because the left is more likely to be grifters, they're very easily susceptible to
00:33:24.820 this.
00:33:25.140 And I think the right has their grifters.
00:33:27.880 So they adopt some of this as well.
00:33:29.500 But I suppose we'll see where we go.
00:33:31.200 Mamdani certainly has weaponized it.
00:33:33.500 But Bhatia, are there any final thoughts you want to say before we wrap up?
00:33:36.760 I'm just so grateful for you, Tim.
00:33:38.700 Like when I agree with you, when I don't agree with you, I love what you're doing.
00:33:42.060 I think you're such a force for good and a patriot.
00:33:44.340 And yeah, I just love you.
00:33:46.600 Thanks so much for having me.
00:33:47.680 Thanks for coming on.
00:33:48.300 It's always great to have you.
00:33:49.100 I appreciate it.
00:33:49.720 Where can people find you?
00:33:51.160 I have a new show on News Nation.
00:33:53.100 It's called Bhatia!
00:33:56.400 It airs.
00:33:57.380 I'm not going to tell you where it airs because you have a very young audience.
00:33:59.600 But they post the whole show to YouTube.
00:34:01.600 So you can find it there on Sundays.
00:34:03.060 And it's a weekly show.
00:34:04.080 We're having a good time.
00:34:05.240 Well, right on.
00:34:05.740 Thanks for hanging out.
00:34:06.460 And we'll see you next time.
00:34:07.820 Thanks, Tim.
00:34:08.360 God bless.
00:34:08.660 Take care.
00:34:10.060 Always great to have Bhatia on. 0.79
00:34:13.320 It's going to be interesting.
00:34:14.040 I think there's a lot of people, you know, I will push back a little bit more on the,
00:34:20.060 she says, the mainstream rights pushing back against Tucker and Nick and all of that.
00:34:24.040 No, I think it's bifurcated.
00:34:25.820 I certainly do think that there is an establishment conservative base that is very pro-Israel.
00:34:31.040 But their pushback of Tucker and Nick and Candace and others has been miserable.
00:34:38.900 When DeSantis was running, the pro-DeSantis people were the smarmiest.
00:34:45.460 It was the most smug.
00:34:48.360 Oh, I just couldn't take it.
00:34:50.020 I throw up my mouth from these people. 0.98
00:34:52.800 Spamming you and just attacking you. 1.00
00:34:54.740 Shut up. 1.00
00:34:55.900 Dude, the last thing that's going to make me change my opinion is being attacked by a mob of people. 1.00
00:35:01.420 I'm the opposite.
00:35:02.600 I'll just be contrarian for the sake of it. 0.99
00:35:04.680 Tell you to screw yourself.
00:35:05.680 So when you get people like Tucker who comes out, interviews Nick, he's allowed to do it. 0.94
00:35:11.040 You can't tell Tucker what he's allowed to think.
00:35:12.900 He's followers because of the things he said and the people who agree with him.
00:35:17.340 And he's allowed to.
00:35:18.860 You want to debate him?
00:35:19.960 Sit down and have a calm, kindly debate.
00:35:22.940 Ted Cruz is a senator calling for war.
00:35:25.320 I agree with Tucker's criticism of him.
00:35:27.660 Nick Fuentes is a guy on the Internet.
00:35:30.160 Tucker could have pushed back in certain areas.
00:35:32.400 I think when we have Nick on, here's the challenge.
00:35:35.600 We've invited Nick onto the culture war.
00:35:37.080 He don't want to do it.
00:35:38.160 The culture war is the actual debate where we freeform debate.
00:35:42.900 No, he wants to come on Timcast IRL where we will only just go over news of the day,
00:35:46.940 which means less likely for there to be any kind of debate.
00:35:50.800 But hey, he's going to do what he wants.
00:35:53.140 And I'll criticize him when I think he needs to be criticized.
00:35:55.100 I think he's a bit, I think he's very vitriolic.
00:35:57.660 And I think he's wrong, especially about Hitler and World War II.
00:36:01.800 And people want to see that debate.
00:36:03.960 However, he's allowed to have his opinions.
00:36:06.340 Tucker's allowed to interview him. 0.98
00:36:07.640 And this reaction to Tucker, I think, has been pathetic. 0.99
00:36:10.680 It's been absolutely pathetic. 0.99
00:36:12.840 I say to Tucker, you're a guy with a lot of followers and you're allowed to believe what you want. 0.94
00:36:17.860 And people who say that Tucker shouldn't be speaking at turning point or that the right shouldn't embrace him or whatever,
00:36:25.820 I'm just like, dude, your response isn't an argument.
00:36:29.660 It's not an argument, okay?
00:36:31.220 I'm going to platform leftists and communists' platform and they can come to my show and we'll debate.
00:36:35.780 And it is what it is.
00:36:37.260 And people seem to have no problem with that because I argue with them.
00:36:40.840 I'll argue with Tucker.
00:36:41.900 I argued with Joe Rogan.
00:36:43.400 I'll argue with anybody.
00:36:44.460 We had Mark Grimes on as a Canadian.
00:36:45.980 I argue with him.
00:36:46.740 And then some people get mad and they're like, Tim, be more demure and don't insult people.
00:36:53.020 I shouldn't say that.
00:36:54.520 This is probably obvious.
00:36:55.540 Anna Paulina Luna doesn't like me because I called her out because she wanted remote voting for Congress because she had a kid. 1.00
00:37:02.320 My response is no.
00:37:03.500 You pick one.
00:37:04.660 You don't get to open up Congress to remote work because you had a child.
00:37:09.800 And, you know, I guess now she's like, well, I don't want to go on Tim Pool's show.
00:37:13.700 So be it.
00:37:14.200 But I'm not going to pretend to agree with Congress getting to vote remotely so I can try and get access to these politicians and personalities. 0.89
00:37:23.020 And yet the sad reality is much of journalism is called access journalism where people refuse to criticize stupid things from prominent people because they're worried they won't get access. 0.59
00:37:32.560 I'll say what I think needs to be said. 0.99
00:37:35.280 And if that means people don't want to come on my show or I won't go on theirs, well, whatever, maybe one day that will bite me in the ass, I'll fizzle out and I'll go live in a van down by the river. 0.98
00:37:42.700 It is what it is. 0.98
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00:38:22.120 And we'll see you all tonight at 8 p.m.