The Culture War - Tim Pool - Woke Leftism BACKFIRED, White Guilt IS OVER, Shiloh Hendrix Raises $660k ft. Carl Benjamin

00:00:00.000 But in the Democrat mind, they view them as congenitally inferior, and if they don't pander to the worst aspects of this community, then they have in some way done something wrong themselves, whereas actually a sensible reading of this would suggest that the black community ought to be held to the same standards as the white community, and this would have a morally improving effect on the black community.

00:00:30.000 This is the Give, Send, Go of Shiloh Hendricks, and as the story goes, this lady was on a playground, was accused of calling a baby a racial slur because she says he was going through her stuff.

00:00:43.680 The man then is yelling at her. She tells him F off. She throws some slurs at him. After this incident went viral, you'd expect this woman to have been canceled, lose her job. Instead, the opposite happened.

00:00:57.320 Give, Send, Go.com. She launched this page, Help Me Protect My Family, and has so far raised $663,111 of a million-dollar goal.

00:01:12.900 This is a big story. Because something is changing in the cultural zeitgeist. Something is changing. People are fed up with the, you know, you've got minorities that will insult and use racial slurs against white people, and we are told that's socially acceptable because it's punching up. 0.66

00:01:30.520 But that is a leftist precept. That is a leftist idea. With the Democratic Party trying to go this route and losing younger voters and white voters, not to mention they've lost basically every demographic.

00:01:41.720 How are they going to stand firmly on the side of racism every day? Now, some may say, but Tim, this story is about a lady being racist. Sort of. It is on the surface. But the fundraising is largely about people being fed up with the racism, and this is the recoil.

00:02:06.180 This is the blowback on DEI. If you are going to have a persistent and consistent culture where comedians are allowed to use racial slurs against white people, but white people can't say anything back, they're allowed to just say, ha, ha, yeah, I guess you're right.

00:02:23.300 Eventually, you get people who say, I've had enough of this. I don't want to live in the world where anybody is racist. And what happens? The people who don't want racism end up supporting this woman out of spite and anger over the racism directed at them.

00:02:39.880 And then, of course, the core of actual white racists join in and say, we were always here where this goes. I'm not entirely sure. But there are two big questions. How is this going to impact the Democratic Party that largely wants to maintain these DEI and racist ideas?

00:02:59.720 And why is it really happening? Maybe I'm right. Maybe I'm wrong. But I do think that my good friend Carl Benjamin has a good idea about all this.

00:03:12.140 So let me see if I can grab this this feller here. If we're if we're loading, we are booting it up. I see Carl. Now let's see if we can get this set up and get it rolling.

00:03:24.020 Carl Benjamin, can you hear me? I can. How are you? I'm doing well. Welcome to we started doing these morning interviews.

00:03:32.020 So it's an honor, privilege, privilege to have you here. And you put out a video over the weekend that I thought was actually pretty good.

00:03:39.540 You said it was the end of white guilt pertaining to Shiloh Hendricks. So what I've been talking about for the past half hour is the Democratic Party's got no front runner.

00:03:47.980 They're ideologically split. You've got the woke element. You've got Stephen A.

00:03:52.540 Smith. He's saying we've got to purge the party. You've got Beto O'Rourke saying they're weak. Pritzker saying we've got to fight.

00:03:58.640 And I don't know if they're going to be able to moderate because of the racist woke elements that persist in the party.

00:04:06.040 But this development here with the Shiloh Hendricks story is interesting.

00:04:09.500 So I'm wondering if you can give us your breakdown of why you think this woman's raised six hundred and sixty three thousand dollars.

00:04:15.560 And then we can talk about how this affects politics.

00:04:17.540 There's a kind of implicit bargain in the Civil Rights Act that has never really been properly acted upon, which is black people will be given access to the full spectrum of spaces in wider society, primarily white society.

00:04:39.760 And that was that was that was fulfilled.

00:04:44.160 But the other side of that is the implicit assumption that black people won't nurture a longstanding grievance against white people.

00:04:50.900 And that hasn't been fulfilled. And we saw this with the Carmelo Anthony case where he he probably murdered someone and the black community decided to raise more than five hundred thousand dollars for him.

00:05:07.380 Because a lot of people perceive that it was because he murdered a white person. 0.99

00:05:12.120 And a lot of the comments that came in on that on the donations were we hate white people and we're glad you killed a white person. 0.99

00:05:19.160 And this is just not an acceptable thing to do. 0.99

00:05:23.240 And this is hardly the first time that this was done.

00:05:26.300 I mean, I'm personally of the opinion that the the chap who killed George Floyd, whose name for some reason escapes Derek Chauvin.

00:05:34.220 That's Derek Chauvin. I'm of the opinion.

00:05:36.560 Wait, wait, I got to pause. I got to pause you there.

00:05:39.040 I don't think he killed him.

00:05:40.140 Oh, I didn't. I don't think either. That's the that's the point.

00:05:43.980 I think that George Floyd was dying of a fentanyl overdose.

00:05:47.060 But the charged atmosphere because of the nurtured race grievances meant that Derek Chauvin essentially had to go to jail no matter what happened in that case.

00:05:57.820 And that means that what you have is a racial element of your society holding the rest hostage, saying, look, we're going to keep doing this because it's profitable for us. 0.61

00:06:07.980 And there's no reason that we give this power up.

00:06:10.600 And I think that in the case of the Shiloh Hendricks event in that she don't get me wrong.

00:06:18.380 I don't think you should be calling children racial slurs.

00:06:20.640 But it really wasn't nearly as bad as some of the other things that have been done in the name of race grievance mongering.

00:06:28.080 And so I think that a large number of people online and I think is predominantly sort of I guess what you call a white separatist community online decided that they'd had enough and they were just going to give her money in the same way that the black community gives its martyrs money purely on the basis of race.

00:06:46.800 And I think really, and I think people like you and I have been warning about this for a long time, if you allow one side to do this kind of thing and it's not addressed, it's in fact in many ways encouraged, the other side will eventually say, right, that's how the game's played then.

00:07:04.200 And we're just going to play this game.

00:07:05.780 And actually, it turns out there are a lot more of us than there are of you.

00:07:08.320 So maybe you won't like it if we play it this way.

00:07:10.720 And I think that's what's really driving this issue.

00:07:13.520 Yeah, it's it's a lot of people are saying this is a reaction to the Carmelo Anthony story.

00:07:18.880 He killed the guy.

00:07:20.620 He's admitted he's killed the guy.

00:07:22.500 The question now is, will the defense, his defense, his family's claims actually hold up in court?

00:07:27.120 And even, you know, we brought in self-defense, self-defense experts have said, yeah, that's not going to fly.

00:07:32.200 He brought a knife to a high school track meet and then stabbed a guy who like pushed him.

00:07:35.700 You're not going to get away with that.

00:07:37.100 But you're right.

00:07:38.440 I saw a lot of these comments.

00:07:39.640 The money they raised for the Carmelo Anthony family was racial solidarity.

00:07:45.560 The posts I've seen on Twitter are all racial solidarity.

00:07:48.760 They're attacking, you know, Austin, saying that he was a white bully and that white people have done this, that or otherwise.

00:07:57.300 And so, you know, what I see with this story, with the Shiloh Hendricks story, all she's accused of doing is insulting a person in a rather crass way.

00:08:05.500 And it's funny because if this is the reaction to it, it's still nowhere near the scale that people have seen in the inverse.

00:08:15.680 Right.

00:08:15.960 You mentioned the Chauvin case.

00:08:17.800 You, of course, have the Ahmaud Arbery case.

00:08:20.400 Are you familiar with that one?

00:08:22.280 I know the name, but I can't remember the details offhand.

00:08:24.880 And this is where the left claimed a black man was jogging and was lynched by by three white men, the Travis and Gregory McMichael, as well as William.

00:08:36.300 What do they call him?

00:08:37.220 It was a William Brian.

00:08:38.440 I think his name was I could be getting his name wrong in in both of these stories.

00:08:43.220 People who are completely uninvolved, I should say figuratively uninvolved, went to prison as well.

00:08:47.940 So like with Derek Chauvin, you had the the cop holding people back prison in the Ahmaud Arbery case, the guy driving his car and just filming it prison for the rest of his life.

00:08:58.760 So I don't know.

00:09:00.580 Like how you how you're in the UK, obviously.

00:09:04.040 What do you guys have like similarities to that?

00:09:06.700 Obviously, I think there are some.

00:09:08.060 But how did we or how do you think we in the United States got to this point where you literally have a felony burglary suspect who attacked people be the victim?

00:09:18.280 So in the United Kingdom, we don't have anything quite this similar.

00:09:24.880 And this is a product of the the American unique narrative surrounding slavery and the historic wrong that was done to the black community that was trying to they tried to pay some sort of restitution for with the Civil Rights Act.

00:09:43.320 And the issue is that there were two narratives in the Civil Rights Act, the liberal narrative and the separatist narrative, which is predominantly a Marxist one that frankly failed.

00:09:58.380 It was the liberal narrative of integration and the sort of liberal view of equality that predominated.

00:10:04.260 But there but there are many segments of the black community that just simply don't agree with this and actually don't want to collectively forgive white people and nurture the grievance because it has an advantage for them in daily life.

00:10:18.040 And this is what white guilt is.

00:10:19.860 It is the perennially sort of liberal perspective that the blacks aren't equals to the whites, because all of this is predicated on the idea that the black community is in some way in a kind of socially inferior rank to the white community. 0.77

00:10:37.600 And it doesn't matter what any individual black person achieves by their status of being black in the liberal mind.

00:10:45.940 And I really don't think MAGA holds this opinion at all, actually.

00:10:49.240 But in the in the Democrat mind, they view them as congenitally inferior.

00:10:54.560 And if they don't pander to the worst aspects of this community, then they have in some way done something wrong themselves.

00:11:02.440 Whereas actually a sensible reading of this would suggest that the black community ought to be held to the same standards as the white community.

00:11:10.700 And this would have a morally improving effect on the black community, because I think and this is one of the difficult things for Americans to really tackle, I think, is I think the black community in America is kind of riddled with poor ethics. 0.97

00:11:25.800 There just is a real spate, a really, really, really, really difficult thing to talk about, which is that there's just a widespread acceptance of really, really bad behavior.

00:11:40.160 And it's not on. You would think it would not be on.

00:11:43.480 But the problem is the Democrats have turned these into kind of personal fiefdoms by simply doling out handouts.

00:11:50.320 They can just continue to essentially pay these people to forever vote Democrats, which means that the Democrats have control over the area and they have no interest in improving the ethics of that community.

00:12:02.320 In fact, it's to their advantage. It's how they maintain their power over these communities by keeping them immiserated as they are.

00:12:09.780 I'm sure like the average black person has got no interest in reducing the number of police in their community. 0.96

00:12:15.640 And in fact, when you see the polling, the average black person, the average black community is like, God, no, why the hell would you think about doing that? 0.94

00:12:23.320 But the activists, the race grifters, the race hustlers, they know which side their bread is buttered on and they know how to maintain this forever. 0.79

00:12:30.800 But it's fascinating because if you go to your average Trump supporter and say, if you took, you know, a random white guy and a random black guy and put them on the same job site, like a construction facility, which one would do better?

00:12:43.380 The average response is going to be like, I have no idea. What do you mean? Like, how am I supposed to figure that out?

00:12:47.540 But predicated in the argument that we see from from wokeness and the left and these race ideologies is that, as you mentioned, congenitally inferior.

00:12:57.980 They call the right white supremacist because on the right is typically the idea that merit is what matters.

00:13:05.460 And most people think hard work and perseverance is going to bring you success on the left.

00:13:11.880 We learn this from the Yale study. They intentionally reduce the the the I guess the verboseness, the degree of their vocabulary to sound.

00:13:24.620 Stupider, and that's how they treat black people. 1.00

00:13:27.320 So it's funny because. They within them, their entire argument is predicated upon they believe they are socially and even as a race superior and people on the right largely are like, just work hard and stop committing crimes. 1.00

00:13:43.020 And that everybody can succeed. How does the Democrat like I know you're you're a UK guy, but considering you've you've obviously been one of the on the forefront of this space, you follow closely.

00:13:54.200 But I mean, back during the launch, like the beginning of Gamergate, which I was reading this interesting thing that this was like the first time millennials had a major political moment that was largely ignored by the large political class.

00:14:06.940 And now what what emerged from Gamergate was this politics of wokeness, which is permeated the Democratic Party.

00:14:12.780 And as it is, it is a major foothold that, you know, Stephen A. Smith says you've got to purge the extreme left.

00:14:18.500 How do you see that evolving politically for a party that's losing every category of race and class?

00:14:24.680 I mean, it is if if you were a Democrat strategist, purging the extreme left would be exactly what you would do.

00:14:33.700 The problem is woke ideology is a product of Democrat liberal ideology.

00:14:40.620 It works within it and it knows itself inside out because actually it comes from the Marxists who lost the civil rights debate.

00:14:50.320 It actually comes out of this philosophy. And so these people spent 30 years in academia wondering, why did we lose the argument to the liberals on civil rights?

00:15:01.100 And so they spent a lot of time essentially manipulating definitions, expanding the definition of racism and merit and various other important keywords to mean the antonym, to mean the opposite.

00:15:13.500 And so we consider racism to be poor treatment, inequality of treatment, right?

00:15:19.640 And that if we have an equal treatment of different people, we will get unequal outcomes.

00:15:25.280 And we completely agree to this because, of course, if one person works hard and if the other person doesn't work hard, it is preposterous that they should end up in the same position to the average person, to a normal liberal minded person.

00:15:37.380 But the Marxists say, well, we consider that to be a form of racism because the unequal outcome is not evenly distributed among the racial groups.

00:15:47.520 And honestly, the liberals are very weak to this. The liberals, with their guilt complex, are very weak to this argument.

00:15:54.300 And so a normal person, a MAGA type, might say, well, then they need to get to school, they need to get to work, they need to improve things.

00:16:01.760 If they want the same standard of living as other groups that they're comparing themselves to, they need to crack on and actually get those because there are no legal barriers preventing anything at this point. 0.87

00:16:11.680 And in fact, most social barriers, I think, have also been knocked down by and large in the United States.

00:16:17.400 And so the thing that's really holding them back is honestly themselves.

00:16:21.020 It's the belief because, I mean, you see this in black circles where they'll say things like you're acting white.

00:16:28.220 Oh, yeah.

00:16:28.520 If you get up, get on time, you know, wear a nice suit, do a hard day's work and get paid good money for it.

00:16:34.440 That's acting white. And it's like, OK, in a way you can see what they're saying is in that's what most of the white community does.

00:16:41.120 But that then suggests that sort of blackness is merely the antonym to whiteness. 0.99

00:16:47.060 And when they the critical race theory say, well, whiteness is hard work, you know, being well spoken, making sure you turn up on time, making sure that you file your taxes and making sure that you do things that are productive, that are the classic productive behaviors that in a capitalist system lead to wealth and success.

00:17:07.180 Then blackness is always left undefined, but in opposition to whiteness. 0.94

00:17:12.440 And if if it's just the antonym of whiteness, then what that means is blackness is being criminal. 0.98

00:17:18.600 It is being lazy. It is taking benefits. 0.98

00:17:21.160 It's all all these things that don't live to a happy, prosperous life.

00:17:24.080 And the critical race theorists encourage the black community to try and embrace that.

00:17:29.560 Now, I don't think that's fair or good to do to anyone.

00:17:32.900 I wouldn't want some super intelligent people and a massively funded activist complex telling me that if I act like this other group and get the success this other group gets, then I'm somehow a race traitor.

00:17:45.660 I think that's really unhealthy and really damaging and a way, in fact, that they keep the black community in an inferior position by making it so that people in there just don't really feel they can get ahead. 0.74

00:17:57.900 And so why would they even try? And I think that secures their power going forward.

00:18:02.500 You know, you know, it's funny is the way you're describing it.

00:18:04.920 I can imagine this for literally any grievance based group.

00:18:07.480 Right. So, you know, during Occupy, you had the class based.

00:18:11.200 It's the one percent they're holding us back if if they weren't in power.

00:18:14.680 It's this politics of envy, I suppose, maybe demagoguery, whatever I say, like this person is your enemy and it can be weaponized in against anybody.

00:18:24.340 I suppose if you grow up in the United States in the black community, it's really easy to hear the history of the transatlantic slave trade and, you know, the history of Jim Crow and all this stuff, slavery, obviously.

00:18:37.340 And then say these people are your enemy.

00:18:41.280 But if you live in a world where you constantly blame everyone else for your for the way you live, you're not going to succeed and break from it.

00:18:49.560 And I think the best example of this, not perfectly, but a really great example of define this is how Native Americans have sort of weaponized the vices of Westerners against them with the launching of all of these casinos, making themselves wealthy. 1.00

00:19:06.180 Not every tribe, not everywhere, but with the with the beginning of it was in it was a seminal tribe in Florida creating bingo halls resulted in this wave of casinos all across the United States where instead of being like the white man is evil and is going to is bad.

00:19:23.060 They said they said let's just sell them a product they want and they've made themselves many different tribes very wealthy off of this and actually some of the coolest places to go ever.

00:19:34.340 So they've you know, they've sort of created something great out of this this negative this negative circumstance for the Democratic Party.

00:19:41.880 However, you've got AOC.

00:19:44.980 She's being heckled over Israel Gaza.

00:19:47.400 I don't see, you know, they're saying she's the front runner right now.

00:19:52.380 I don't see how her or anyone else is going to be able to break out of this narrative moving into 2026, 2028 because they're addicted to it.

00:20:01.840 So who do you who do you think is going to be in front of this?

00:20:04.520 And do you think AOC's got it or what do you see here?

00:20:08.880 So you've got a bit of a problem because I saw just now, actually, Gavin Newsom had done an interview with the BBC where he was on the right of the Democrat Party.

00:20:17.860 Arguing that actually we we need to get rid of the woke stuff and get back to something akin to sort of Bill Clinton Democratism, which might actually be something the electorate wants.

00:20:28.220 And to be honest with you, that's all Trump selling as well.

00:20:30.980 So honestly, it's it's really obviously a popular position in the United States.

00:20:36.180 The problem is AOC.

00:20:38.400 I don't think AOC can win because I think what she is essentially doing, selling it is very popular with a very small slice of the electorate.

00:20:50.820 Right. The Bernie Sanders wing of the Democrat Party.

00:20:54.040 And that's probably, you know, 20 percent of the entire American population or something like this, which is a large number of people.

00:21:01.640 But it's not nearly enough to get any kind of majority.

00:21:03.960 And the problem is, it's very much like Jeremy Corbyn over here.

00:21:06.700 There are there are a large number of people who are into it, but an even larger people who find it utterly repugnant and view it as a kind of civilizational chloroform and really they view it as communism.

00:21:19.020 Right. They view it as communism and they don't want it.

00:21:21.240 And one of the problems that Jeremy Corbyn had here, which will be the same with AOC, is that when the activists are going door to door, they'll find people to say, look, I'm not even necessarily against your party, but this person, I don't trust them.

00:21:34.660 They come across a communist. I'm not having it.

00:21:37.740 So they'll have, you know, millions of people are on their side, but they'll have tens of millions who are against them.

00:21:43.120 And on that ground, I don't think she'll be able to win.

00:21:46.020 So if they were smart, we'd go for Gavin Newsom.

00:21:48.100 If I got to be honest, I think Newsom's terrible. 0.97

00:21:51.360 I think California's screwed. 0.99

00:21:53.360 Yeah. 0.54

00:21:53.600 But it would be a very big victory culturally if Newsom does win a primary and basically the party rejects all of the cultural Marxist stuff or woke whatever.

00:22:04.320 Going back to a smarmy lizard, lizard person in human skin who's trying to sell you snake oil is much better than the woke, you know, cult stuff. 0.79

00:22:14.380 Kind of just jumping to an aside, going back to where we were before.

00:22:19.360 I'm curious your thoughts on the civil rights movement.

00:22:23.580 Do you think the Civil Rights Act created these circumstances?

00:22:27.500 One thing that I've heard from a lot of people is that the inevitable result of the Civil Rights Act basically creating a law saying you can't treat people certain ways based on how they appear or look or where they're from, the end result is going to be wokeness.

00:22:43.480 Do you think that's true?

00:22:44.120 Well, I don't know if I would say it was strictly necessary, but I think it's probably very likely.

00:22:56.200 And the issue is whenever...

00:22:59.120 So what the Civil Rights Act was, was a modification to the American social contract, right?

00:23:05.080 And whenever you have some sort of social contract like this, the problem is there are always a set of duties that come along with the rights.

00:23:15.460 And none of the duties were imposed upon the black community out of guilt.

00:23:19.500 But you're going to have a series of things that you have to do to uphold your side of a contract.

00:23:26.780 The contract is always two ways. 0.65

00:23:28.740 And if that's missing, and in fact it becomes an Achilles heel for the society because the Democrats and the race grifters and the black community can weaponize this against the wider society, 0.97

00:23:41.520 well then it does become a sort of perpetual wound that can't heal.

00:23:45.360 And if nothing is expected of the community to which things are given, then that creates a certain kind of mindset in at least a portion of them that I think has metastasized and developed into the just... 0.91

00:24:00.360 I mean, it's genuinely insane that it should be allowed and should be normal that huge amounts of people in the black community are just genuinely hateful towards whites. 0.99

00:24:12.300 That is insane and shouldn't be allowed to fester. 0.96

00:24:15.360 And it shouldn't be allowed to fester the other way either.

00:24:17.540 Right.

00:24:18.020 I mean, what do you do though, right?

00:24:21.580 Sorry?

00:24:22.080 Like some people are racist, you know?

00:24:24.320 I know that the answer is, hey, you know, my view is largely much more liberal.

00:24:28.780 Like if I run a business in a public space, I'm not going to kick someone out.

00:24:32.440 I don't think you should be able to kick someone out for something they can't control.

00:24:35.280 Well, let me...

00:24:36.620 So on this, right, the question goes a bit beyond social contractism.

00:24:40.600 It goes into the sort of sentimental nature of a society, right?

00:24:45.720 If America wants to be a racially integrated society, that's fine. 0.84

00:24:50.580 That's totally fine.

00:24:51.500 That's totally great.

00:24:52.260 And I can completely see why you would want this.

00:24:55.900 But that means that one side isn't allowed to nurture a longstanding racial grievance against the other.

00:25:02.620 Because that's the barrier against integration, whether that's, you know, the majority or the minority.

00:25:07.680 That's got to be the thing that's prohibited.

00:25:09.920 And for some reason, the left and the leading figures in the black community just don't prohibit that. 0.98

00:25:15.140 They, in fact, encourage it and make lots of money out of it.

00:25:17.640 And so, you know, you're undermining the project of racial integration entirely with that.

00:25:23.760 And I kind of noticed that when I was in the South, I've traveled around the South of America a bit recently,

00:25:28.120 and I didn't feel any racial tension at all, whereas in the North, I don't know, man.

00:25:34.460 It's just the thing's a bit more just tense and, you know, just I can't prove it or anything like that.

00:25:40.680 But you know what I mean?

00:25:41.500 It just feels like there's something different.

00:25:42.980 I hear you.

00:25:43.820 You know what I see?

00:25:45.820 Going in the South, if you come across someone who is racist, they say it to you.

00:25:50.600 They wear it on their sleeve.

00:25:51.740 But let me explain.

00:25:52.500 There was a friend of ours.

00:25:53.760 He's Asian.

00:25:54.100 And he said he went to a bar.

00:25:56.620 And we're in Maryland, which was a union state, but it was a slave state. 0.95

00:26:01.460 And he said that some old, you know, fat white guy looked at him and said, 0.95

00:26:06.020 he said something like, you know, where in China are you from or something? 0.96

00:26:10.180 And he's Korean.

00:26:11.580 So it's like, it's not that the guy's hatefully racist, but you can tell that he's got some kind of bias.

00:26:16.920 But he's not insulting you, deriding you.

00:26:19.840 He's not saying you don't belong.

00:26:22.100 He's just like, you're an other, and I can tell. 1.00

00:26:24.260 And he made some comments that we all thought were funny, even my friend who's Korean.

00:26:28.620 Whereas in the North, they're all walking on eggshells, talking down to you. 0.97

00:26:33.560 And the funniest thing about my encounter with these woke people in, say, New York is they treat me like garbage when they assume I'm white. 0.90

00:26:41.360 And then when I counter by saying, actually, I'm mixed, they immediately apologize and start acting totally different. 0.92

00:26:46.980 And I'm just thinking to myself, there's no real interaction with these people.

00:26:50.440 They're not telling you what they really think.

00:26:53.020 They're just scared of being shunned.

00:26:55.740 So they're saying what they think they're supposed to say.

00:26:59.140 Yeah, no, you're totally right.

00:27:01.020 And what's worse is that they have a racial hierarchy in their mind.

00:27:04.440 And they're judging you by it.

00:27:05.840 They're not judging you as Tim Pool.

00:27:07.740 They're not judging you as the individual that you are and the character of the man.

00:27:12.020 They've completely abandoned the MLK formulation here, right?

00:27:14.680 Oh, right.

00:27:16.380 He's not quite white.

00:27:17.320 Great.

00:27:17.780 I can treat him well.

00:27:19.380 It doesn't matter what your character is at this point.

00:27:21.320 And this is the entire problem with left-wing philosophy, I think.

00:27:24.840 And this is why I genuinely think that there's much fewer problems just socially with integration in the South than they're on the North.

00:27:32.980 And yet, you know, all I hear from the Northern Democrats is, oh, the South is racist.

00:27:39.460 It's like, okay, but they seem to actually have a handle on things.

00:27:42.800 And, I mean, whenever I've gone around the South of America, it's always felt totally chill.

00:27:47.120 Yeah.

00:27:47.660 Totally, totally chill.

00:27:48.640 Whereas in North America, it feels tense, man.

00:27:50.060 There was a bill in California, it was a referendum, that would remove the civil rights protections for college applications and government contracting.

00:28:00.880 The Constitution says you cannot discriminate on the basis of race.

00:28:04.460 So my progressive friends, and this is years ago, of course, so I unfortunately have lost contact with a lot of these people as things have gotten more intense.

00:28:13.800 But I remember talking to this woman, she's really well-known in Hollywood, advocating for the removal of this protection.

00:28:20.700 And I asked her, I was like, honest question, do you believe that white people tend to be white supremacists?

00:28:29.700 And she says, yes.

00:28:30.660 I said, okay, do you believe that the institutions of power tend to be controlled by white people?

00:28:35.340 She goes, absolutely.

00:28:36.720 And I said, okay, do you believe that even in California, with large areas that are not dominated by white people, 0.79

00:28:42.320 white people still control all these systems? 0.84

00:28:44.340 She goes, yes, 100%.

00:28:45.800 And I said, then do you think that stripping away the legal protections from minorities will result in white people giving preference to white people?

00:28:53.200 And she went, uh, no, wait, maybe?

00:28:58.220 She could have got you on this and she would have said, no, we're white guilt Democrats.

00:29:02.500 We will give preference to minorities because we feel so bloody bad about what's happened.

00:29:07.300 That is a good point, but if only they actually understood their positions.

00:29:10.760 Because that's the answer. 0.97

00:29:12.980 Nah, white people in California, it's all white guilt. 0.99

00:29:15.080 They'll give everything away. 0.99

00:29:16.940 Well, no, seriously. 0.97

00:29:18.680 I think they are white supremacists. 0.92

00:29:20.500 I think they do genuinely believe that white people are superior. 0.89

00:29:23.160 And I do genuinely think that they will pander to minority communities on that basis, actually.

00:29:28.280 So she could have checkmated you on that. 0.99

00:29:29.760 I think the point I was making was, you are correct.

00:29:34.640 I think if I was actually having a real debate with someone perhaps more learned on the issues like you, we both immediately understand that point.

00:29:42.120 My point was just to highlight her justification for this was rooted in this idea that all white people, except for her, are secretly racist white supremacists.

00:29:52.620 So we're going to hold back the minorities. 1.00

00:29:54.260 So we need to eliminate this constitutional amendment in California so that we can intentionally be racist against whites and then help minorities get into contracting in schools. 0.89

00:30:05.780 Of course, California voted against this measure.

00:30:08.060 We got like a minute left.

00:30:09.140 And we'll try to make this quick.

00:30:11.940 One of the things with the civil rights movement that has come up a little bit from the left is when we ended segregation and they said you can't have separate bathrooms for black and white people, they're trying to argue that's the same thing for the sexes.

00:30:25.980 Civil rights movement says you can't have discrimination on the base of sex, so then how can you have a men's room and a women's room? 0.99

00:30:32.480 I'm curious how you would rebut that in about a minute if you can.

00:30:36.040 Sure.

00:30:36.660 Well, that's a small, no small challenge.

00:30:39.140 But in a way, they're kind of correct, because the problem of the civil rights movement and the liberalism broadly is it assumes a universal, a historical human being.

00:30:51.380 And actually, we know that human beings are not a historical or universal.

00:30:54.580 They're actually particular and very, very different to one another.

00:30:57.960 And so actually, logically, it is probably contained within the civil rights movement that there can't be men and women's bathrooms.

00:31:04.700 But that is really a failure of its time and honestly, could be updated to be more reasonable.

00:31:11.500 You don't have to be committed to this.

00:31:14.960 Yeah.

00:31:15.580 Well, I think that argument's largely lost anyway.

00:31:18.640 I agree.

00:31:19.280 You know, Newsom's even saying it.

00:31:20.880 So it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

00:31:22.800 But, Carl, I think your insight, I watched your video.

00:31:25.720 It was very good.

00:31:26.680 And so that's why I was trying to, you know, I'm glad to be able to have you on.

00:31:29.280 Appreciate everything you do.

00:31:30.560 Thank you for joining us.

00:31:31.460 Where can people find you?

00:31:33.300 Just go to LotusSeasons.com if you want more from us.

00:31:36.620 Right on, buddy.

00:31:38.100 We'll love to have you back in the States whenever you can.

00:31:40.100 But for now, thanks for hanging out.

00:31:41.220 And I'll see you next time.

00:31:42.460 As soon as I can, man.

00:31:43.280 Bye.

00:31:43.620 All right.

00:31:43.920 Take care.

00:31:44.240 All right, everybody.

00:31:46.760 That was Carl Benjamin.

00:31:49.160 Super, super grateful and excited for everything that Carl does.

00:31:52.900 Super grateful for, you know, back in the early days when he gave me an opportunity to

00:31:57.260 produce a video for his channel.

00:31:58.560 And now here I am having him on mine.

00:32:00.800 And he makes some really great points analyzing all this.

00:32:04.880 You know, he's a very liberal guy.

00:32:06.380 The OG classical liberal, now more post-liberal.

00:32:08.900 Because we're all starting to recognize we don't want people to be mistreated based on

00:32:13.020 their race or where they're from, but on the merits.

00:32:15.860 Like, I don't care what your religion is. 1.00

00:32:17.560 I care about how you function in our society. 0.96

00:32:20.840 If your religion is a backwards, awful religion, but you are not using it to cause harm to people, 0.95

00:32:27.780 you keep it to yourself, that's fine. 0.97

00:32:29.980 But if you take, you know, religious beliefs and then start performing weird surgeries, 0.73

00:32:35.440 sacrificing people, doing really awful things, killing people in the name of your God, 1.00

00:32:39.900 like all of these things I think are bad.

00:32:42.120 We want a society that is based on merit.

00:32:43.740 But instead, what's developed out of the left has been racism, sexism, all of the different

00:32:50.960 phobias they claim, they are fomenting.

00:32:54.340 So my friends, we are going to throw it to Russell Brand, who I believe is gearing up right

00:33:00.940 now.

00:33:02.240 He is just about to go live.

00:33:03.840 We're going to initiate that raid for everybody watching right now.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - May 05, 2025

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