The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Candace Owens On Feminism, Zionism, Who Assassinated Charlie Kirk？

00:00:00.000 Who do you think is the most responsible? Why would they want him gone?

00:00:02.340 I think Charlie was not allowed to be anything but a Christian Zionist, 0.99

00:00:06.820 and he was changing in the last few weeks.

00:00:09.300 Everything began ratcheting up after Tucker Carlson hit the stage.

00:00:12.420 That pissed him off.

00:00:13.160 It was like a full court press effort to lie about everything.

00:00:16.280 I do not like the way Turning Point is behaving.

00:00:19.420 I've made that clear, and nobody is going to emotionally manipulate me

00:00:23.200 and tell me to attack Turning Point would be to attack his legacy.

00:00:26.320 Charlie told me years ago he was having a ton of visions

00:00:28.560 and was telling me Turning Point was going to be a death of him.

00:00:30.760 He knew he was going to die young

00:00:31.660 and strangely knew that I was going to be the only person to defend him.

00:00:35.080 Candice, thank you for having me here.

00:00:36.940 I'm excited, and thank you for making it work on short notice.

00:00:39.640 Of course, of course.

00:00:40.480 These are crazy times, so I totally, you know,

00:00:43.060 we got to be careful about where we're at, right?

00:00:44.640 Right.

00:00:44.940 So it's been a while since we last spoke, last time you were on.

00:00:48.840 I remember we did After Hours where you were saving a few women's lives,

00:00:51.980 and I did want to tell you this on camera.

00:00:53.900 One of the girls that you spoke to actually quit OnlyFans on that day. 1.00

00:00:57.040 Wow.

00:00:57.360 No, it was a good conversation.

00:00:59.460 I feel like a lot of people think that, I guess,

00:01:02.300 those conversations are not worth it or the show is all theater.

00:01:05.080 But for me, I want to sit across from these young women 0.97

00:01:07.060 because anybody's life could have ended that way.

00:01:09.720 You know what I mean?

00:01:10.280 Like, I could have ended up being one of these OnlyFan girls

00:01:12.960 if there weren't so many, like, life interventions

00:01:15.300 because it's just being sold to women so much. 1.00

00:01:18.980 This is the easy way out.

00:01:20.100 You know what I mean?

00:01:21.220 Yeah, but I wanted to make sure I told you that, you know,

00:01:23.620 on camera that she literally quit, like, not too long after you did that show.

00:01:28.060 So that's great.

00:01:28.540 Saving lives.

00:01:29.260 That makes me happy.

00:01:30.180 So kind of with that, I saw that you had did a debate on Jubilee

00:01:34.280 with a bunch of feminists. 1.00

00:01:38.720 Obviously, we're in a modern day age.

00:01:40.220 Things have changed quite a bit.

00:01:41.760 We've both been pretty critical of feminism.

00:01:43.420 But I think with what you're doing, you know,

00:01:46.300 you're able to really reach a demographic of women that just guys like me

00:01:49.980 and Andrew Tate and others just aren't going to reach

00:01:51.420 because, you know, we're abrasive in the way that we get it.

00:01:53.800 So they might want, you know, another female's perspective on, 1.00

00:01:57.540 you know, the detriments of feminism and everything else like that. 1.00

00:01:59.860 So kind of given how society is now,

00:02:03.400 how do you see feminism today with young women? 1.00

00:02:05.180 And then what do you predict is going to happen in the next 5, 10 years?

00:02:08.300 Are we getting better?

00:02:09.040 Is it getting worse?

00:02:09.840 What are your thoughts in general on that?

00:02:11.040 So I was actually very interested in Tate culture,

00:02:15.120 as I'm going to call it.

00:02:15.760 So I'm going to put you in that orbit of Tate culture.

00:02:19.080 All of these male influencers that were coming out

00:02:21.100 and calling girls B-I-T-C-Hs and hoes and all this stuff. 0.97

00:02:24.900 And people sat back and were like,

00:02:26.240 oh my God, this is horrible, whatever.

00:02:28.340 But I'm like, wait a second.

00:02:29.180 Whatever you think about him, whatever you think about Tristan,

00:02:31.700 whatever you think about Myron,

00:02:33.060 this culture got very big very quickly

00:02:34.920 and there's got to be something there, right?

00:02:36.480 There has to be.

00:02:37.300 So I kind of, that was the reason why I flew out to meet Andrew Tate.

00:02:40.620 There was all of these conspiracies that I knew him before.

00:02:42.880 I met Andrew a total of two times before I did his show.

00:02:47.500 My husband hung out with him maybe three times in his life before him and I met.

00:02:52.500 He was actually friends with PJW.

00:02:54.560 And that's how I met Andrew.

00:02:56.260 My husband was actually friends with PJW.

00:02:59.920 And I just wanted to know what it was.

00:03:01.560 I'm never a person that will dismiss something on its face and call it a name.

00:03:04.600 Like there has to be some substance here.

00:03:06.900 And what was actually happening was you got Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate

00:03:11.120 and you got Myron Gaines because you perpetuated a culture of Lena Dunham's, right?

00:03:15.920 So you're acting like men just got tired of it is what happened.

00:03:19.540 And finally, men looked around and somebody stood up and said,

00:03:22.560 it's actually okay to be a man and you don't have to listen to any of these women.

00:03:26.560 Now, you may not have liked how they said it.

00:03:28.480 You may not have liked that they were doing this on top of Lamborghinis.

00:03:31.120 But the reality is, is that what sat beneath that was a horribly toxic culture where women 1.00

00:03:37.820 were dictating the terms to men.

00:03:39.700 And every time a man did something that actually felt natural to them, you called it toxic masculinity

00:03:45.060 and books were written and Lena Dunham is writing articles.

00:03:48.400 And there's a show about this and Lena Dunham's naked on Instagram.

00:03:51.300 I wrote a whole chapter about Lena Dunham in my book.

00:03:53.140 And she's naked on Instagram and she's lecturing you if you don't want to see her, 0.68

00:03:57.940 you know, overweight, naked and tatted up.

00:04:01.780 So you can't blame the culture, Tate culture, until you are ready to address where this actually

00:04:08.400 came from, which was women constantly bashing men over the head and telling them 1.00

00:04:12.280 that masculinity, full stop, was wrong.

00:04:15.460 Given the problems that we have, you know, obviously, whether it's me or Tate or other people,

00:04:19.520 we'll kind of come in and say, hey, this is what you need to do as a guy.

00:04:22.220 You know, this is how the modern day marketplace is now when it comes to dating.

00:04:26.540 What's your approach to kind of combating this problem from a female perspective? 1.00

00:04:30.360 First, you have to understand the origin of feminism, right? 1.00

00:04:32.840 You have to understand that this was not a culture and an ideology that came because

00:04:38.420 they wanted women to have equal rights with men.

00:04:40.920 OK, this was a CIA sponsored PSYOP.

00:04:45.560 Gloria Steinem was sponsored by the CIA.

00:04:48.760 OK, these protests were sponsored by men in government. 0.98

00:04:52.220 A lot of them homosexual, actually. 0.50

00:04:55.220 And the reason for that was simply because they wanted to tax.

00:04:58.940 It was actually twofold, I would say.

00:05:00.620 They wanted to tax households, household income both ways.

00:05:04.260 And also they wanted women to instead of focusing on their kids, which comes natural to women, 1.00

00:05:09.960 right, to be the quote unquote, like I say, CEO of the household.

00:05:13.060 They wanted to remove that and to have the children given to the government for six hours a day, beyond six hours a day, six hours a day, plus whatever sports activities, which gives the government full control over the minds of the children.

00:05:25.260 This came straight from the pale of settlement after they assassinated the czar.

00:05:30.940 You had these Jewish women like Emma Goldman who came over to America. 0.99

00:05:35.460 Emma Goldman was the mentor to what's her face from Planned Parenthood.

00:05:40.500 I'm blanking on her name for a moment.

00:05:41.760 I'm going to say Margaret, Margaret, Margaret Sanger.

00:05:43.960 That was her mentor.

00:05:45.200 And so this was, in fact, a very radical communist movement that came to America and sought to overthrow families, family institutions, strong men, feminine women stands in the way of government and absolute control. 0.62

00:06:02.260 In your book, Make Him a Sandwich, what are some of the things that you tell the women? 1.00

00:06:06.940 Because I'm assuming it's a it's a book that's going to be centered around how women can kind of get in a marketplace, find a long term partner, get married.

00:06:13.200 What are some of the strategies that you implement, that you tell women to implement to find a partner?

00:06:18.780 You don't have to give it all away.

00:06:19.620 I don't even try in my book to sell them a strategy or a technique.

00:06:24.600 I just tell the truth.

00:06:25.640 So here's the history of feminism. 1.00

00:06:26.740 Here's what we were told in school.

00:06:27.840 Here's actually how it went down.

00:06:29.120 Right.

00:06:29.780 Knowledge is power.

00:06:30.760 I give them the actual statistics of the fact that what was sold to you was you were going to be just like a man and you were going to be happier.

00:06:36.240 Women are actually more miserable than they've ever been. 1.00

00:06:38.260 If you go back and you ask most women about their grandmothers, they remember grandma being happy. 0.99

00:06:42.780 Right.

00:06:43.360 So what they actually sold to you, now you've achieved this equality, quote unquote equality.

00:06:50.080 And women have never been more miserable and women are popping more pills than they were popping and finding it harder to find a partner and wondering why. 0.99

00:06:58.640 Well, it's because you attacked natural masculinity. 0.66

00:07:02.200 You told men that they shouldn't be allowed to lead.

00:07:04.500 Women have to lead. 1.00

00:07:05.200 And actually, you didn't want that.

00:07:06.800 Right.

00:07:07.220 You were convinced psychologically in a classroom, as I was back when I wanted to be a feminist or I thought feminism was cool. 0.99

00:07:14.960 And you should know that.

00:07:16.360 I think that that's how you change things without trying to say, here's a strategy and here's how we're going to move forward.

00:07:21.220 Let people know true knowledge.

00:07:22.840 Let people know true history.

00:07:23.940 And I think the rest of the stuff happens naturally, or I hope.

00:07:27.900 For you on your journey, when did you, like, figure out that feminism was a lie? 1.00

00:07:32.440 Like, was there a certain event that triggered it that you were like, holy crap, this is, this is, yes.

00:07:36.240 I actually tell the story in this book.

00:07:38.280 I think I do, actually.

00:07:39.180 I think it's in this book or it's in my last book, actually.

00:07:40.880 It's in Blackout of this teacher that I had.

00:07:43.600 And I was required to take a Feminism 101. 1.00

00:07:48.120 It was called Women's Studies.

00:07:49.480 Maybe it was Women's Studies 201 at the University of Rhode Island. 0.71

00:07:52.520 And at that time, I was like, yeah, I'm a feminist, of course.

00:07:54.840 Who doesn't want equality as they sold it? 0.99

00:07:57.120 Again, it was a classroom.

00:07:58.020 And this teacher, I realized very quickly, was not actually motivated by wanting equality.

00:08:03.440 She was, I was in a classroom where she was trying to convince me that every problem that we had in society was due to men.

00:08:09.640 This was a literal class that was designed to basically teach women to hate men. 0.59

00:08:14.500 Like, no matter, all you had to do to get an A was she would introduce any problem.

00:08:18.960 She could have lost her keys that morning.

00:08:22.080 And been like, why did this happen?

00:08:22.960 It's a patriarchy.

00:08:23.840 Well, you know what, who designed cars?

00:08:25.780 You know who designed cars?

00:08:26.980 Do you know who designed the whole concept of a car key and who designed the couch that you lost it in this morning?

00:08:32.200 It was meant, it was, it became to a point where for me, it was like laughable.

00:08:35.480 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:35.980 And, but there was this one particular class where it clicked for me.

00:08:39.640 Because when I was in college, I had an eating disorder.

00:08:42.720 So I was sitting in her class and I had, I was anorexic.

00:08:46.680 And she gets into this topic of anorexia, eating disorders.

00:08:49.960 And she gave us some statistic about the amount, the percentage of women that have eating disorders. 0.99

00:08:55.200 And I'm making this up now, but it was something like 80% of people who have eating disorders are women. 0.64

00:09:00.660 And she asked the class, why is that?

00:09:02.860 And we were supposed to say, and she did say, that it was because men control the advertising agency and men want women to be skinny. 0.86

00:09:11.240 And I had literally, I'm sitting here having this experience, nothing to do with a man.

00:09:15.760 Like nothing, no man said, you're fat, you have to be skinny.

00:09:18.860 That is completely made up.

00:09:20.420 And I'm listening to her try to psychologically convince me that my eating disorder came from a man when it just factually didn't.

00:09:25.880 Most people who suffer with anorexia know it's a control mechanism.

00:09:28.600 It actually has nothing even to do with weight.

00:09:30.160 It just is like, this is the one thing you can control.

00:09:31.880 And I just kind of called her out on that.

00:09:35.300 And I raised my hand.

00:09:35.920 I was like, whoa, wait a second.

00:09:37.640 Okay, well, let's look at another statistic.

00:09:40.060 How many, what percentage of people are juicing up with steroids, right?

00:09:45.480 That's not a super healthy thing to do.

00:09:47.160 If we said that 90% of it was men, would you have presented to the class that it was because of women, right?

00:09:52.900 Because women are telling them they have to look like this. 1.00

00:09:54.600 And she was, I mean, when I say she went white and she said to me,

00:10:00.420 and I always tell the story on stage, she said to me,

00:10:03.320 I feel like you were sent to me from the men's department.

00:10:05.880 Of course.

00:10:06.280 Yeah.

00:10:06.840 I told her that I told her, I told her back, but I was sent to her from the common sense department.

00:10:11.220 Yeah.

00:10:11.660 And that everything couldn't be because of men.

00:10:14.080 So I think that was kind of the first time that it clicked for me that this was some sort of a psychological program.

00:10:21.420 I'm, in many ways, I was actually saved by.

00:10:24.020 How old were you at that point?

00:10:25.120 I was in college, so I was 19.

00:10:27.700 Okay.

00:10:28.200 Yeah, it was first, it was the first year of college.

00:10:30.460 Okay.

00:10:31.240 So, yeah, it was a prerequisite.

00:10:34.680 So it was interesting for me, I think.

00:10:36.880 Did that make you shift your priorities?

00:10:38.520 I wasn't like, I was never a gun-ho feminist. 0.67

00:10:41.040 I just was like in the back of my mind, same way that I was liberal.

00:10:43.400 Like I was never voting Democrat, but if you had asked me, what do you think about this?

00:10:46.280 I'm going to very quickly have been like, of course we need feminism. 1.00

00:10:47.960 Yeah. 0.93

00:10:49.020 And then I was kind of thinking, man, these women are really annoying in this classroom. 1.00

00:10:53.600 Because then there were the majors that were there, you know, the people, these women that were tatted up and like growing their armpit hair out. 1.00

00:11:01.040 You know, we had those people in class and I was like, I don't like any of these people.

00:11:03.860 So it made me think that there was something more to the feminist movement, I think, which was indoctrination.

00:11:11.900 Interesting.

00:11:12.500 Okay.

00:11:13.140 So I think you've been able to do what every woman dreams of.

00:11:16.620 Have a family, have children, have your dream man, but simultaneously being able to also, you know, run a business and do what you want to do. 1.00

00:11:25.680 And I noticed when you were debating on Jubilee, some of them tried to say, oh, well, you're a hypocrite. 0.99

00:11:30.640 You're over here talking about feminism being bad, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:11:34.140 But, you know, you obviously have a lot of things set up where you maximize your ability to be with your family, right?

00:11:39.160 You do your show, get out of there, spend time with your family.

00:11:43.140 What would you say to the people that sit there and try to call you a hypocrite because, you know, you're successful in your own right, but you've been able to also balance a family, which many women can't do. 1.00

00:11:52.700 They want to do it, but they can't do it.

00:11:54.320 What would your response be to those critics?

00:11:57.340 First and foremost, do not allow people to rule you by exceptions.

00:12:01.500 What I mean by that is it is such a mistake to look at my life and to say, Candice did this, and so therefore I can do this.

00:12:09.320 My life is actually exceptional, right?

00:12:11.760 We are sitting in my house.

00:12:13.560 I do things on my own terms.

00:12:14.920 I wake up in the morning.

00:12:15.780 I get to homeschool my kids, right?

00:12:17.740 I'm homeschooling my children for hours.

00:12:20.120 That's now very important to me.

00:12:22.540 I get to do a podcast from home, and I am actually doing something that I enjoy, right?

00:12:29.700 What is the number one thing?

00:12:31.180 If you find any woman that makes it and she's successful, what is she doing? 1.00

00:12:34.920 She's tapping into her femininity. 1.00

00:12:36.380 Communication.

00:12:37.200 Women communicate more than men. 0.75

00:12:38.500 I have a whole chapter on this.

00:12:40.140 If you have a daughter and a son, you know this.

00:12:43.040 Girls start speaking faster, and we will speak more words from men for the rest of our lives.

00:12:47.840 And when you actually look, and I ask people in this chapter, who is the most, if I ask you the question right now, who is the most successful man in the world?

00:12:55.520 Just give me your answer.

00:12:56.880 If you have a name, a couple of them.

00:12:57.840 I was going to say, like, from a financial perspective?

00:13:03.840 Yeah, sure.

00:13:04.720 Full stop.

00:13:05.160 If I said who's the most successful man in the world, who would you say?

00:13:07.920 I mean, you could say, like, the richest guy in the world who would be Elon, even though it pains me to say that.

00:13:11.860 Okay, yeah.

00:13:12.540 No, but that's the right.

00:13:13.880 You would say Elon, or you would say...

00:13:15.740 Something based on meritocracy, finances, and status.

00:13:18.940 You would say Jeff Bezos.

00:13:19.980 Everyone would say the same answers, right?

00:13:21.740 If I ask you who is the most successful woman in the world, what would you say? 1.00

00:13:25.400 That's where it gets straight.

00:13:26.180 Yeah, I see what you're saying.

00:13:27.460 Because they're like, what is it?

00:13:28.140 Like, off the top of your mind, like, what are the names that come to your mind?

00:13:31.240 Yeah, it's an ambiguous, like, you're like, okay, well, are we going to go off career?

00:13:33.960 Are we going to go off versus a man? 1.00

00:13:34.860 But most people would say, like, Taylor Swift or Oprah.

00:13:39.320 These women are nowhere near the richest women in the world. 1.00

00:13:42.600 Nobody knows the name of the richest woman in the world. 1.00

00:13:44.580 And so I go about through this in my chapter.

00:13:46.320 Yeah, you'd say Beyonce.

00:13:47.000 I'm like, these are the names that you would say off the top of your head if I asked you who was the most successful.

00:13:51.660 Nobody knows, everybody knows the names of the most, the richest men in the world.

00:13:57.640 And yet nobody knows the names of the richest women in the world, right?

00:14:01.300 Nobody knows the names of them.

00:14:02.620 And the answer is a Russian woman. 0.80

00:14:04.720 And I talk about this in my book.

00:14:05.500 I'm like, nobody knows her name.

00:14:07.200 And the women that you do name actually all tapped into their femininity. 0.85

00:14:11.760 Taylor Swift was writing songs about relationships.

00:14:13.860 She was writing songs about looking for love.

00:14:17.440 And women flocked to this. 0.76

00:14:19.580 Oprah was communicating to the housewife, right? 0.95

00:14:22.720 She was speaking about issues.

00:14:24.440 They're tapping in, actually, to the one thing that, actually, you think they're standing against.

00:14:28.340 Oh, they're the ultimate feminists. 1.00

00:14:29.800 But they tap into their femininity and found success, actually. 0.95

00:14:33.040 And women do not, when we think about success, we don't measure it in terms of finances. 1.00

00:14:39.320 That's why these women, we think, are the most, quote-unquote, successful women in the world. 1.00

00:14:44.340 Whereas men naturally think finances. 0.94

00:14:47.860 Oh, it's Jeff Bezos.

00:14:48.760 It's Elon Musk.

00:14:50.020 So I do a chapter, and I speak about that in my book, about who the richest woman in the world is.

00:14:55.240 And then the next 10 women who are the richest in the world are all rich because of who they divorced, right? 1.00

00:15:01.540 So what is the picture that we're recognizing here?

00:15:04.720 We don't measure success in the same terms as men measure success, nor should we.

00:15:11.460 And it's important for women not to think that becoming financially rich somehow means that you are successful or that you have triumphed something in life. 1.00

00:15:23.540 And since having children, how has that shifted your priorities as far as, and you can go into as much detail, as little as you want, as far as how you've kind of prioritized child rearing versus maybe your career and doing social media as much?

00:15:37.720 Because I noticed before you were super, super active.

00:15:40.320 You still post, obviously, every day.

00:15:41.820 But now it's like you have other priorities.

00:15:44.860 So how has that kind of shifted?

00:15:46.000 Yeah, my family is my number one priority.

00:15:47.540 I would say having kids made me more secure than ever before.

00:15:51.800 I just don't care about the noise.

00:15:54.360 None of it matters anymore.

00:15:55.840 And also, I have real stake in this fight.

00:16:00.020 Before, these were just ideas.

00:16:01.800 America shouldn't be run like this. 0.86

00:16:03.480 This is why.

00:16:04.660 This is what's bad.

00:16:06.180 Once you have kids, you have actually a real stake in the future of America.

00:16:09.900 So when I am podcasting, the subjects that I am covering to me are existential, right?

00:16:16.840 Are we being ruled by pedophiles and criminals?

00:16:19.460 That's now existential for me.

00:16:20.960 What is happening in the school systems?

00:16:23.460 What is happening in these churches?

00:16:25.660 What is going on?

00:16:26.500 This is now existential because my children will inherit the America that I fight for or the America that I remain silent about.

00:16:34.400 And just to kind of finish off with the feminism real quick. 1.00

00:16:36.680 So what do you think are the top three things holding women back from fulfillment and happiness right now?

00:16:43.100 The number one thing I would say that's holding women back would be not understanding the history of feminism, I think. 1.00

00:16:51.520 I think once you know that everything, like knowledge is actually power.

00:16:55.640 However, I would say the second thing that's holding them back is the psychology of peer pressure.

00:17:01.920 And that is the psychology and the peer pressure starts when we are in school with women being told you have to go to college, you have to have a career.

00:17:10.800 The last thing you should be thinking about, you have plenty of time.

00:17:13.280 You don't actually have plenty of time.

00:17:14.680 Biologically speaking, you literally don't have plenty of time.

00:17:17.200 Men might have plenty of time, biologically speaking, but your body is telling you you don't.

00:17:21.060 And so I think and then that kind of gets into the education, the education system truly is just Soviet propaganda in the classrooms.

00:17:33.220 So those would be the top two things.

00:17:35.300 And so they're ignoring their gut instinct and following the herd.

00:17:40.060 So understanding what feminism is and how it came into place makes it a lot easier to understand everything else. 1.00

00:17:46.160 All right. Fair enough.

00:17:46.900 What do you think so far about this switch in politics?

00:17:48.900 What do you think so far about this administration with Trump? 0.96

00:17:52.100 Bad, bad, ugly, sad.

00:17:54.420 Honestly, the first thing that I would say is that it makes me sad because obviously I spent a lot of time helping Trump get elected, trying to help Trump get elected.

00:18:03.540 And Trump is.

00:18:04.540 I see a photo right here. Yeah.

00:18:06.000 Yeah. He's a part of my political story. Right.

00:18:07.900 A part of my political awakening, if you want to call it that.

00:18:10.800 And it feels to me like when he said.

00:18:14.740 What Epstein files, you know, are we still talking about the Epstein files?

00:18:19.420 It was just like we were so close.

00:18:21.340 We did everything we could and we were supposed to be fighting with Swallop.

00:18:25.540 And then what happened with the Loch Ness Monster, which is Israel, rose up and and swallowed our hero whole. 0.99

00:18:31.800 So it makes me sad. And I think we all can very clearly see what has happened on the basis of who is now supporting him.

00:18:38.880 The literal never Trump movement is now supporting Trump.

00:18:42.440 Yeah.

00:18:42.680 And telling us that we're radicals, the people who initially supported Trump.

00:18:46.240 So it's there's been a complete flip and they're trying to use this mechanism of psychology to convince us, oh, we just got here.

00:18:51.700 But we noticed this rot, which is the original MAGA movement. 0.93

00:18:54.600 It's completely ridiculous. 0.94

00:18:56.380 Their tactics aren't working. 0.95

00:18:57.540 But I think it also indicates to us that there is something very scary and sinister that is in D.C., right?

00:19:05.520 That turns good men like it like petrifies good men that go in maybe with the best of intentions and then they see something else.

00:19:13.960 Like what happens to these people?

00:19:15.160 We don't know where is I mean, day in and day out.

00:19:20.400 Cash Patel and Dan were saying we're going to do this.

00:19:23.580 We get to the FBI now they look petrified.

00:19:26.280 They look petrified, actually.

00:19:27.740 There's nothing here, actually, to see about these Epstein files.

00:19:29.900 What are you talking about?

00:19:31.680 You kind of made your show off of what we need to happen with the Epstein files.

00:19:36.260 So it's sad.

00:19:37.960 So if you were to rate them because people have asked me this question, so now I get to ask someone else.

00:19:41.960 What grade would you give them right now at this point based on, you know, obviously the Epstein files?

00:19:46.400 I agree with you.

00:19:46.900 It's a huge debacle.

00:19:47.680 It's going to probably be a huge negative in his legacy at the end of the day.

00:19:52.680 If you had to grade his presidency so far within 11 months in roughly, what would you say?

00:19:58.500 So I would say I'm biased.

00:19:59.580 So if you're asking me to grade, you know how you would have those teachers where if you would take a test and they would automatically flunk you if you didn't put your name on the paper?

00:20:06.620 Oh, yeah.

00:20:07.340 The Epstein thing for me is like automatic flunk if you don't put your name on the paper.

00:20:10.740 Right.

00:20:10.900 So like I'm a mom now, so this was the most important thing to me was figuring out where the pedophiles are in our society.

00:20:18.360 And that was your number one voting that this for me, like becoming a mother, because you have to remember Epstein, I did a partial series, a miniseries on what we discovered about him.

00:20:29.780 He just got pulled to the ranks, right, bankrupted Americans. 0.64

00:20:33.700 Same thing with the Maxwell family, bankrupted people in England and was allowed to do this.

00:20:40.220 He had absolutely no background.

00:20:41.580 He was given access to children.

00:20:43.400 He had an office on Harvard campus despite only having a high school diploma, which I can't even verify his high school diploma, if I'm being honest with you.

00:20:50.120 And we were this was going to show us everything.

00:20:53.380 He had access to Hollywood.

00:20:54.940 He was working with Weinstein.

00:20:56.600 He had some notorious fight with Harvey Weinstein right before Harvey went down.

00:21:00.720 So now I'm kind of going back in my mind and thinking that's a question I should probably ask.

00:21:04.340 Harvey Weinstein is what they were fighting about.

00:21:06.700 And he had access to models.

00:21:09.860 I mean, this man was just handed the keys to Les Wexner's empire, which even how that empire started has got a shady story with a guy who said that Les Wexner was a literal devil.

00:21:19.300 He was the guy who controlled Victoria's Secret.

00:21:21.100 He said this man is evil.

00:21:22.280 And then suddenly that guy jumps off the Golden Gate Bridge and decides to give his company to Les Wexner.

00:21:26.280 That doesn't really make sense.

00:21:27.600 So we had this rare opportunity to really understand how the matrix was put together, in my view.

00:21:36.220 And Trump took us to this line and then balked.

00:21:40.520 And I'm not sure why he did.

00:21:41.860 OK, I don't.

00:21:43.180 Maybe it's because he almost survived his assassination attempt.

00:21:45.840 He survived his assassination attempt.

00:21:47.200 Yeah, two of them.

00:21:48.020 Two of them.

00:21:48.700 And maybe they put him in a room and said, here's how it's going to go.

00:21:52.180 So I try not I'm going to try not to judge him because I don't know what he is going through.

00:21:57.980 But for me, the Epstein files was a name on the paper.

00:22:02.200 So what are your thoughts on the current news?

00:22:03.720 Because it just resurfaced again.

00:22:05.060 They're, you know, in the process right now of getting everything classified.

00:22:07.680 I understand that there were a bunch of emails that came out, you know, and it's coming back up again.

00:22:12.720 I can tell because I'm seeing nothing but CNN clips on it.

00:22:15.600 Anytime they love to hit Trump when it comes to this Epstein thing, what are your thoughts on the latest information that came out recently with the emails and everything else like that?

00:22:23.460 When he initially balked on discussing Epstein and Pam Bondi did the whole crazy bit, I was told that it was because there was donors he was protecting.

00:22:35.980 And that makes sense to me.

00:22:37.140 I have never felt and I'm a pretty good vibe person.

00:22:41.500 Trump's not into kids.

00:22:42.720 Right.

00:22:42.900 So the nature of the emails, was he at a party when people should just think about that?

00:22:49.340 People say, oh, they exchange like he was on his plane, never on the island, but like was on the plane.

00:22:54.320 Or was it a party?

00:22:55.380 If you were at a party, I mean, you live in Miami.

00:22:56.940 If you were at a party, the idea that somebody could be at any club that you are at or any party that you are at has somebody that's underage and looks like she could be 18.

00:23:06.760 And that doesn't really track to me as any evidence of anything other than the fact that he was at a party once and Jeffrey Epstein was very clearly running a sophisticated network and a blackmail ring.

00:23:18.740 So I don't think that whatever they have on Epstein with Trump and Epstein is going to implicate Trump in any of that stuff.

00:23:26.200 And I've been around him.

00:23:27.460 It just Trump has a type.

00:23:29.380 And I have never felt that vibe from him at all.

00:23:32.660 But I do think he's protecting some of his donors.

00:23:35.640 I do believe that because they I look at them and they just creep me out.

00:23:39.740 And he took a lot of money from Miriam Adelson, the Adelson family, hundreds of millions of dollars from Miriam Adelson.

00:23:47.840 And I think that's kind of the beginning of everything.

00:23:50.400 So when they started leaking these emails, I read it as like a public threat to him.

00:23:55.200 Maybe they're arguing about something in the background and he's holding a line on something.

00:23:59.180 So they because they obviously have all the Epstein stuff.

00:24:01.460 He that he was their blackmail guy, you know.

00:24:03.520 And so if people don't listen, they probably do a little trickle.

00:24:08.560 That's how I read it.

00:24:09.360 I read it as like a public threat and they want something from him and they're going to be like capitulate or we will hit you with everything they have.

00:24:15.880 And we need to have a leader that says just comes right out in a press conference and says they have this about me.

00:24:22.420 They've been threatening me with it.

00:24:23.760 I'm going to tell them to release everything and I'm going to hold the line.

00:24:26.140 People would cheer.

00:24:26.900 People would cheer.

00:24:28.060 I wouldn't we wouldn't even care.

00:24:29.120 We'll be like, OK, like as long as you're not implicated in harming children, I can deal with you being at a party that Epstein was at and finding out that whatever it is that they have on you.

00:24:39.680 That's my that's my gut instinct about the whole thing.

00:24:42.480 Yeah, no, I agree with you that I think I don't he doesn't give me the vibe that he's like, you know, doing that type of thing with children.

00:24:48.220 But I do think that maybe there's something in there that looks really bad optically.

00:24:53.160 And that's might be why or to protect donors, like you said, because I look at it like if there was something really bad like that.

00:24:59.720 The Democrats would have exposed that during Biden administration if there really was.

00:25:03.560 So, you know, that's that's another thing as well.

00:25:06.220 Speaking of the Zionist lobby, we're talking about Mary Maddelson and Epstein and everything else like that. 0.78

00:25:10.860 Last time we spoke, you were literally like a week or two before you left Daily Wire.

00:25:15.520 Or it's been a while now. And obviously, a lot of things have transpired, right?

00:25:19.740 You've had a meteoric rise. Congratulations.

00:25:22.440 Meanwhile, your opposition, Ben Shapiro, has had a meteoric downfall.

00:25:27.680 Can you kind of take me through that day of what happened when because I remember you had been in Miami for a bit.

00:25:33.800 And then I think you might have went back to Daily Wire for like a day or two.

00:25:36.940 And then they said, hey, we're going to get ready to be blah, blah, blah.

00:25:39.240 Can you kind of take me through how that all transpired and how you've been able to kind of use that cancellation from their perspective?

00:25:45.520 To just utterly destroy them and flip the rules.

00:25:48.580 So, gosh, I was fired in March of 2024.

00:25:52.560 And I obviously was very surprised about it.

00:25:54.700 I did not know it was coming.

00:25:56.000 I was even if I sensed it was coming, I would have never have thought that it would have happened in the way that it happened.

00:26:02.240 I would have thought that we would do everything that we can to keep things friendly.

00:26:06.700 I mean, you don't want to work for any company.

00:26:08.500 It's just unprofessional to want to work to dedicate years of your life to any company and not have things.

00:26:12.920 Even if they're not on great terms, you still want to make it as peaceful as possible.

00:26:16.880 TMZ reported, and I have to ask you this because I've always been wanting to ask you this.

00:26:19.980 They reported that the reason, one of the reasons why they wanted to get rid of you is because you did the show with us.

00:26:25.340 And when we talked about Jews, we hit the sound effect, the cha-ching sound effect. 1.00

00:26:28.720 And that, I guess, that infuriated Ben Shapiro.

00:26:30.780 Is that true?

00:26:31.380 Or?

00:26:31.540 I know that, I know where that leak came from.

00:26:35.460 Okay.

00:26:36.480 And it came, gosh, am I allowed to say anything about this?

00:26:40.300 She no longer works for the Daily Wire.

00:26:42.020 And I think she was behind that leak.

00:26:46.400 Yeah.

00:26:46.900 So she no longer works for the Daily Wire.

00:26:48.740 So that was interesting.

00:26:50.740 I can neither confirm or deny whether or not that is true.

00:26:54.760 Okay.

00:26:55.000 But what I will say is I would have never expected that sort of a PR.

00:27:00.520 I mean, it was just, it's just the opposite of the way that I am.

00:27:03.140 I mean, I've worked with several companies.

00:27:05.080 I've worked with PragerU.

00:27:06.140 I have obviously very, a lot of disagreements with them now.

00:27:09.580 But I had a very peaceful working relationship with them.

00:27:11.680 They treated me fantastically.

00:27:13.180 I've said this a thousand times.

00:27:14.160 Like, when I think about them now and what their contributions are to what we're fighting,

00:27:19.060 I could never go back and say, like, one bad word about how they treated me.

00:27:22.260 They were really good employers and very communicative.

00:27:25.660 I ever had an issue.

00:27:26.940 I mean, I think my contract with PragerU was like two pages.

00:27:29.480 I'm not even kidding.

00:27:30.000 It was crazy.

00:27:30.980 She didn't.

00:27:31.660 Marissa never even wanted to talk about contracts.

00:27:33.400 She's like, if we ever have to talk about the contract, she was like, you should probably

00:27:35.420 leave because, like, I don't want you here if you're not happy.

00:27:37.980 Yeah.

00:27:38.760 Obviously had a very great relationship with Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA.

00:27:42.700 So I, for me, having never had any sort of a debacle ever in my life in terms of working

00:27:49.720 for people, it was, it was new.

00:27:53.140 It was global.

00:27:54.140 There was so much happening.

00:27:56.020 And I didn't know if we were going to survive it.

00:27:58.860 Genuinely, my husband and I, it felt like you are just, it's like trench warfare.

00:28:03.200 You're every move.

00:28:04.480 You're not even thinking about the implications.

00:28:06.120 It's like, I just have to put one foot in front of the other and fight, fight, fight,

00:28:09.200 fight, fight, fight, fight.

00:28:09.920 And I am, I, I, first and foremost, just grateful to God, grateful to God that my husband was

00:28:18.320 just rock solid.

00:28:20.140 I think if my husband had shown even a fraction of apprehension, fear, anything, I probably

00:28:27.000 would have come apart.

00:28:28.060 And this, again, gets back to the importance of marriage because there are, there are things

00:28:32.000 that men are designed to deal with.

00:28:33.340 Women are designed. 1.00

00:28:34.020 Like I, I was good on the, on the psychology games of what they were trying to do.

00:28:37.760 But in terms of just getting down in and building the infrastructure and like, okay, we need

00:28:42.800 to rebuild the podcast.

00:28:43.820 We got to do this.

00:28:45.200 You got to figure this out.

00:28:46.800 We laugh now.

00:28:48.600 I mean, even because my team came with me, which was something that was also a huge blessing.

00:28:52.420 I'm so grateful to my team because I went to them and I was like, I don't know if this

00:28:56.480 is going to work.

00:28:57.540 We can't offer you health insurance.

00:28:59.100 We have, we have nothing.

00:29:00.220 So if you leave the comfort of where you are, you are taking a risk and we don't know where

00:29:05.380 this thing is going to end.

00:29:06.040 And also we're like being banned from society also.

00:29:08.860 So the chances of his podcast working when we're banned from everywhere, uh, even YouTube

00:29:13.840 demonetized us.

00:29:15.020 It was slim to none.

00:29:15.820 And they took, they were just like, we're, we're coming with you.

00:29:18.620 So to look back on that, it's just a tremendous amount of gratitude and appreciation for the

00:29:24.960 audience, my team, and first and foremost, my husband, you know?

00:29:29.560 So he helped you through that, through that process.

00:29:31.180 Cause yeah, I remember like it was all over the place and, you know, obviously there was

00:29:34.400 enormous amount of pressure, but you were able to use that to your favor.

00:29:36.980 You get let go from daily wire.

00:29:38.400 You start up your own thing.

00:29:40.160 And you know, obviously this topic is a very controversial topic when it comes to Zionism,

00:29:45.140 Jewish power, and these other things.

00:29:47.140 Um, and it led to some things.

00:29:48.760 What is, what red pilled you on this topic that made you say, I got to speak up, even

00:29:53.780 though this is a very taboo topic, you can get, you know, like you said, deal with demonization,

00:29:57.400 cancellation, losing an employer.

00:29:59.880 Or what made you say, I got to speak up on this?

00:30:02.820 I want to get into heaven.

00:30:04.200 And I think people don't realize that that's real.

00:30:06.960 Like, I think people who are atheists don't understand that a part of this whole psych

00:30:12.540 operation was to make you an atheist, because if you knew for certain that when you die,

00:30:18.220 there is more, which there is, you would be living your life differently, right?

00:30:22.660 You want to, I want to get into heaven.

00:30:23.980 And so at the very moment that I know anything is true, I can't tell a lie, right?

00:30:30.780 So when I was working, and giving the example again for PragerU, I genuinely, first off,

00:30:36.740 wasn't up on the topic of Israel.

00:30:38.060 It wasn't kind of a common discussion.

00:30:39.560 There was no pressure on me to get out there and say things that are pro-Israel.

00:30:43.480 I just genuinely believed it in the same way that I tell people Charlie Kirk just believed

00:30:46.620 it.

00:30:46.780 There was nothing, there's no conspiracy.

00:30:48.320 He just was like, yeah, Israel, I'm a Christian.

00:30:50.420 And, uh, obviously Israel has biblical, um, connotations.

00:30:56.620 And so I, I'm, I support Israel almost like it's a periphery. 0.96

00:31:00.120 Yeah.

00:31:00.360 It's like a default setting.

00:31:01.440 Yeah.

00:31:01.460 It's a default setting.

00:31:02.400 Yeah.

00:31:02.500 Literally.

00:31:02.960 Yeah.

00:31:03.360 In the GOP.

00:31:04.220 It's a factory setting.

00:31:04.480 Yeah.

00:31:04.800 And people who, who attack that and assume that everyone's in on an agenda should stop

00:31:09.260 doing that.

00:31:10.260 At the moment that it kind of became a, and I would say after October 7th, they were kind

00:31:14.700 of demanding that you take a side, I watched Bassem Youssef.

00:31:20.180 This, this was truly the mental turning point for me.

00:31:23.000 He went on to Piers Morgan and it went viral and he held up this paper where he showed how

00:31:28.220 many deaths there were every year of Palestinians versus Israelis.

00:31:32.560 And I, I will never unsee that. 0.99

00:31:34.500 And he was being totally a jackass about it. 0.92

00:31:38.940 It was just kind of using humor, which is the best tool and being like, so what's the 0.96

00:31:43.300 equation of how many lives are worth?

00:31:45.440 So I'm going, okay, so I'm supposed to believe these are the evil people, but this is how

00:31:49.100 many people.

00:31:50.360 And then I had Norm Finkelstein on my show at the Daily Wire because I was like, let

00:31:54.380 me go to someone who actually is not an anti-Semite, right? 0.89

00:31:58.140 His parents survived the Holocaust and he's a professor who was denied tenure for a ridiculous

00:32:03.180 reason because he is committed to telling the truth about Gaza and he wrote so many books

00:32:06.960 on it.

00:32:07.720 And that to me was like, wow.

00:32:10.520 So that like red pilled you on the topic, like seeing the deaths and everything.

00:32:12.920 Cause no one ever sees like the Palestinian perspective. 1.00

00:32:15.240 Cause it's like almost like in America, well, especially if you're a conservative, the default

00:32:18.920 setting is we support Israel unequivocally every single time.

00:32:21.760 And you never even hear the other perspective.

00:32:23.760 So, uh, and I've said that too, like October 7th kind of opened up this discussion.

00:32:27.620 Whereas like, I remember before it, like, if you talked about it, you would get demonetized

00:32:30.700 band.

00:32:30.940 That's what got me demonetized was, was that topic, especially before October 7th.

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00:33:36.680 You start talking about it.

00:33:37.840 I remember you had debated, uh, a rabbi forget.

00:33:40.600 I can't remember his name.

00:33:41.760 A couple of them.

00:33:42.380 There was rabbi Shmuley.

00:33:43.900 And then there was who was, oh gosh.

00:33:45.900 I have to remember his name.

00:33:46.860 He was my favorite.

00:33:48.120 Candace.

00:33:49.320 This is the worst antisemitism.

00:33:51.400 He actually was low key.

00:33:52.680 My favorite.

00:33:53.060 Cause he was so over the top.

00:33:56.180 He was so over the top.

00:33:58.420 And he was like, you can't even say, what was it?

00:34:01.180 Witches Skylar.

00:34:02.080 What was the name of that rabbi? 0.86

00:34:03.760 Barclay, Rabbi Barclay.

00:34:05.300 That was his name.

00:34:05.700 And I think that was one of your last, um, debates you did on daily wire too.

00:34:08.800 I think you were still on the daily wire there.

00:34:10.280 Did Ben ever like have a conversation with you about this?

00:34:12.620 If you could disclose it, like he just like never talked to you.

00:34:15.660 In person about this.

00:34:17.000 He just like trashed you.

00:34:18.840 Cause I remember seeing a clip of him, like at some type of social gathering, like late

00:34:23.760 in the year of that year saying, oh yeah, I think what she's doing is, you know, despicable

00:34:26.780 blah, blah, blah.

00:34:27.340 But he had never had a conversation with you.

00:34:29.100 No.

00:34:29.440 And after that, we never had a conversation.

00:34:32.080 Wow.

00:34:32.400 So that was, that happened.

00:34:34.820 And that's, uh, we never had a private, we never had a conversation after that.

00:34:39.220 So.

00:34:39.580 So he didn't even have the decency to like figure out, Hey, you know, what's going on

00:34:43.680 here?

00:34:43.980 Have a conversation.

00:34:44.680 You're just like.

00:34:45.780 I tried.

00:34:46.480 Uh, it never happened.

00:34:47.940 So.

00:34:48.440 Wow.

00:34:48.920 Okay.

00:34:49.780 Um, so, so you got banned from Australia, right?

00:34:55.780 You got banned from Australia. 0.68

00:34:56.840 It's like gangster.

00:34:57.960 Yeah.

00:34:58.300 And I was like, you know, super bad.

00:35:00.640 Cause I, I taught people try to tell me like, um, you know, cause I talk about world jewelry

00:35:04.780 being a thing and how, you know, it's a international cabal that works together, you know, for the

00:35:08.960 betterment of Israel and they're located all across the world.

00:35:11.280 And I use that example of how they got you literally banned in Australia, even though they

00:35:14.460 represent like 2% of the population.

00:35:17.240 How did that even happen?

00:35:18.360 Like, how'd you get notified?

00:35:20.400 Like, yeah.

00:35:21.420 How'd that even come about?

00:35:22.260 I was going to tour in Australia and the Zionist lobby found out and they publicly posted, it

00:35:29.360 was like the Zionist organization of Australia.

00:35:31.460 Maybe it was ZOA publicly posted this thing.

00:35:34.140 Like they're calling an APAC, right?

00:35:35.540 Essentially.

00:35:36.200 Yeah.

00:35:36.960 It's another APAC.

00:35:38.640 There's so many of Zionist organizations.

00:35:40.600 And I will say on the conservative side of Australia, the Jewish conservatives did also

00:35:47.860 write a letter in support of me saying like, we disagree with her, but she should be allowed

00:35:51.040 to speak.

00:35:51.400 Yeah.

00:35:52.260 But they were effectively the ADL and they posted this thing and publicly said that I

00:35:58.420 should not be allowed in.

00:35:59.400 My, my rhetoric was dangerous. 0.77

00:36:01.440 They lied and said that I said that Jews, what did they say that I said that Jews drink

00:36:08.000 the blood of children, which was, it's just like completely.

00:36:11.920 The blood libel?

00:36:13.260 It was unbelievable.

00:36:13.780 I mean, the way that that came about was me liking a tweet, literally a like of a tweet

00:36:18.300 of a person who called out Rabbi Shmuley and said, Rabbi Shmuley had told a huge lie about

00:36:24.380 me.

00:36:24.580 So they were replying to Rabbi Shmuley and said, you didn't include that she, and then

00:36:30.300 like told the truth about what I said.

00:36:31.760 And then they ended their thing with, are you drunk on Christian blood again? 0.64

00:36:35.160 And so me liking this tweet, they went full, they went full media press court.

00:36:41.500 I mean, it's just unbelievable.

00:36:42.480 Candace says, I'm like, are you kidding me?

00:36:44.300 It was so obvious why I liked this tweet.

00:36:45.820 Like this person debunked Rabbi Shmuley's lie, but this is how they lie.

00:36:48.940 Yeah.

00:36:49.120 This is how they lie.

00:36:50.700 And they take everything literal.

00:36:51.780 They take everything literally. 0.97

00:36:52.100 Even if it's hyperbole or whatever, it's like, oh, look at you, vile anti-Semite. 0.89

00:36:55.620 Yeah.

00:36:55.940 And I'm like, obviously, I like this tweet because he defended, like he pointed out that

00:36:59.580 Rabbi Shmuley told a ridiculous lie that had nothing to do with anything.

00:37:01.940 I called him a double rabbi. 0.99

00:37:02.440 Yeah.

00:37:02.700 He said that my followers threatened to kill him or something, something very serious.

00:37:06.280 And he was like, you're showing this inbox.

00:37:08.480 Didn't he try to sue you for that?

00:37:09.940 No, he threatened to sue.

00:37:11.020 Okay.

00:37:12.180 And so, yeah, it was quite a time, but they successfully got me banned.

00:37:17.400 I've never been in trouble.

00:37:18.460 I've never been in trouble, nothing, and they decided that I am too dangerous to speak in

00:37:22.580 their country.

00:37:23.420 So that I still think, and this has been my belief, everything that is happening, God wants

00:37:30.200 to happen.

00:37:30.760 So when that happened, it was because Australians needed to understand something about their

00:37:35.040 country because people who didn't like me, who didn't support me or weren't conservative

00:37:40.200 in their country kind of looked up and went, why is this like mom of four being banned from

00:37:45.580 our country?

00:37:46.180 No matter what I think about her, I certainly don't think she's a threat, that she shouldn't

00:37:49.380 be allowed in.

00:37:50.060 And we've got literally people who have been accused of murder, people who have violated

00:37:56.140 their visas in other countries, people that rap about murder are allowed in here.

00:37:59.900 And you're telling me she's saying something that's so dangerous.

00:38:02.920 And it, I think, contributed to more people listening to my podcast.

00:38:06.600 What is she saying?

00:38:07.340 So I do feel we are in this time where the more that they lie, it rebounds very quickly

00:38:15.700 onto them and it creates more pressure against them and they can't stop lying.

00:38:20.100 So yeah, because you can never lie once, right?

00:38:22.140 Like they always say when you lie once, then you have to keep lying to perpetuate that same

00:38:26.420 lie.

00:38:26.860 Right.

00:38:27.360 So New Zealand also banned you, right?

00:38:29.400 And then you were able to get, how'd you go about being allowed to come back to New Zealand?

00:38:33.540 Did they write a petition?

00:38:34.640 No, actually their person, so they have a reciprocal system, which is weird, but if

00:38:39.660 Australia bans you, you get automatically banned in New Zealand.

00:38:43.000 So New Zealand didn't actually ban me.

00:38:44.600 Tony Burke in Australia bans me and they have some weird reciprocal system.

00:38:48.000 Then when they found out their minister and his name was Chris something, I should remember

00:38:52.780 it, was like, I'm just against this.

00:38:54.900 And he reversed it.

00:38:55.960 Gotcha.

00:38:56.280 Yeah.

00:38:56.440 So he had the power to reverse it.

00:38:57.960 So New Zealand actually stood firm on free speech.

00:39:01.140 Okay.

00:39:01.160 I didn't know that.

00:39:01.600 So like basically when one party does something, the other one kind of reciprocates it, but

00:39:05.920 they do have some type of veto power.

00:39:07.780 What other ways I guess has the Zionist lobby came after you?

00:39:10.140 I've seen ADL articles.

00:39:11.260 I've seen SPLC, right?

00:39:12.660 They target me too.

00:39:13.700 Oh gosh, it was everything.

00:39:14.980 It was everything.

00:39:16.600 They did the lobby to get you demonetized on YouTube too.

00:39:19.400 Absolutely.

00:39:19.940 That came from the awesome Jew.

00:39:21.680 Yep.

00:39:21.940 Uh, the awesome Jew, which who was in attendance, by the way, when Charlie got peer oppression

00:39:25.940 in the Hamptons and yeah, it was just a full court.

00:39:30.220 They were like, just start report mass reporting her for violence and violent rhetoric. 0.99

00:39:35.740 And they did that.

00:39:36.640 And then I got, I had no strikes and then I went to all strikes overnight and YouTube

00:39:41.660 demonetized us.

00:39:42.680 We were demonetized for six months.

00:39:43.900 I think it was like September, maybe it was four months.

00:39:48.480 And so that was, can't make any money on YouTube.

00:39:52.480 So we had to, yeah, we had to then build our own website, which we did.

00:39:58.080 So what it forces you to do is to kind of, to become your own power center, right?

00:40:02.580 If you ban people everywhere and you say, you can't, you know, you're not allowed to fight

00:40:05.960 in this realm, we're going to start building our own realms.

00:40:08.000 And I think they're learning that lesson is that there seems to be the opposite thing that's

00:40:11.560 happening.

00:40:11.920 So they, yeah, they would attack us on YouTube.

00:40:15.380 They obviously got a petition to get me fired, banned from Australia.

00:40:19.660 They went after like my family members, obviously.

00:40:23.940 They tried to pretend that there was all this friction between me and my husband's father.

00:40:28.300 And that could not be further from the truth.

00:40:30.360 He, I love my husband's family.

00:40:32.180 They, they have always treated me very well, but they wanted that narrative out there because

00:40:35.820 it was part of the cancellation is even the whole family hates her.

00:40:40.020 No, we have different viewpoints.

00:40:41.920 People can support Israel.

00:40:43.460 People can not support Israel. 0.64

00:40:44.540 You don't marry into ideas.

00:40:46.200 Yeah.

00:40:46.500 Yeah, of course.

00:40:47.240 Of course.

00:40:47.780 There's nothing wrong with having disagreements.

00:40:49.160 Right.

00:40:50.040 And I'm just thinking, whatever, what else they attacked is, it's just, it's been nonstop.

00:40:54.580 And then of course the lawsuits, you know, nonstop legal lawfare.

00:40:58.200 So right now, you know, between you, Tucker, Nick, they're attacking all three of you guys

00:41:05.760 saying, oh, you guys are anti-Semites and you guys are pushing this whole thing.

00:41:08.980 And I, and I give credit because you three have done an incredible job of, you know,

00:41:13.340 awaring the American public on this topic when it comes to Israel's control of the Middle

00:41:17.820 East, what they're doing over there, how they've been able to get away with this for

00:41:20.260 so long, killing people and no one knowing.

00:41:22.740 And, you know, they've been targeting you guys quite a bit.

00:41:26.520 And I see that, you know, there's been a bunch of drama with Megyn Kelly and Ben Shapiro and

00:41:31.020 everything else like that.

00:41:32.300 What are your thoughts on the entire, on the situation?

00:41:34.380 Cause like, you know, anytime they mentioned Tucker, you're right there.

00:41:36.700 Right.

00:41:37.060 When it comes to the criticism of Israel.

00:41:38.520 So yeah, even BB Netanyahu name checking us was crazy on the tick tock thing and why

00:41:43.740 they needed to buy tick tock.

00:41:45.540 They're letting, you know, this is a psychological operation.

00:41:47.960 That's what they're telling you.

00:41:49.120 They've gone mask down and it just, they've just come more inward.

00:41:54.000 I have no idea why they kept attaching me to Tucker Carlson.

00:41:56.580 They wanted both of us gone and they loves you.

00:42:00.240 Yeah, I know.

00:42:02.180 They force fired Tucker.

00:42:04.300 They force fired me.

00:42:05.340 And then they realized, oh, we don't, we can't control them.

00:42:07.640 And we started having to build our own power centers and they didn't like that.

00:42:12.080 And they made you guys bigger.

00:42:13.040 Exactly.

00:42:13.680 So, and then with the Nick Fuentes thing, I promise you, I had never heard the Nick Fuentes backstory

00:42:19.280 until after I was fired from Daily Wire, there was this Twitter audio or X audio space that

00:42:26.180 he did with Jeremy Boring, who at that time was the CEO of Daily Wire.

00:42:29.900 And I heard the backstory.

00:42:31.120 I was like, this is insane.

00:42:32.300 Like what happened to him?

00:42:33.100 Nobody can look at that backstory of what happened to him and not realize that it was

00:42:37.460 just evil.

00:42:38.580 They did everything they can to contain him. 0.99

00:42:40.020 It's ridiculous. 0.75

00:42:41.200 He was, had his life ahead of him. 0.93

00:42:43.500 And so you kind of root, you root for that.

00:42:45.480 You're like, no matter how I feel about him, I root for him against the Zionist lobby. 0.97

00:42:51.060 And this rule that you can't speak to Nick, why can't I speak to Nick?

00:42:55.200 Can't my audience decide whether or not they want to listen to him?

00:42:57.600 There's this false idea of platforming him that somehow that's going to be harmful and

00:43:03.360 you can't platform him.

00:43:05.920 If I platform him and Nick seems likable, right?

00:43:10.740 And then he goes on his show and he says horrific things.

00:43:13.160 And my listeners then go over to his show.

00:43:15.480 They're not going to keep listening to Nick.

00:43:17.340 They're actually then going to have questions about me.

00:43:19.380 Let the people decide, let the people decide.

00:43:21.200 You don't get to think for people.

00:43:22.940 There's no such thing as platforming ideas.

00:43:25.000 If people are following that idea, that is on the people.

00:43:28.740 And they are smart enough to make their own decisions.

00:43:30.680 I don't need to tell people to listen to Nick, to not listen to Nick, to platform Nick,

00:43:35.200 to not platform Nick.

00:43:36.000 If I want to talk to Nick, I'll talk to Nick.

00:43:37.260 If I don't want to talk to Nick, I don't talk to Nick.

00:43:38.760 And there's something about the true free markets that Zionists can't stand. 1.00

00:43:43.080 They're constantly manipulating the markets so that people think that they are number one

00:43:47.420 and they're not.

00:43:47.940 They actually require censorship in order for them to be number one.

00:43:52.080 Yeah.

00:43:52.380 Yeah.

00:43:52.560 And that's their game.

00:43:53.420 And, you know, seeing Ben Shapiro have a meltdown, you know, they had the Republican

00:43:58.500 Jewish coalition a couple of weeks ago and just saying like, oh, these people are platforming,

00:44:02.340 whatever.

00:44:02.980 I find it interesting how like they never like because when you guys if you actually listen

00:44:07.620 to the interviews that you guys do a lot of the times, it's like, oh, this makes perfect

00:44:10.000 sense.

00:44:10.260 I understand like why you have this worldview.

00:44:12.480 They never criticize what you guys talk about.

00:44:14.500 Right.

00:44:14.700 Like they always criticize you guys directly saying they're pushing anti-Semitism.

00:44:17.680 What are they saying?

00:44:18.240 That's anti-Semitic.

00:44:19.400 Oh, well, it's just anti-Semitic. 0.66

00:44:21.080 And then we want to have the discussion, the debate or anything.

00:44:23.680 Yeah.

00:44:24.000 Yeah.

00:44:24.160 Because when you hear Nick's backstory, it's compelling.

00:44:26.600 It just is.

00:44:27.380 I was compelled when I heard it.

00:44:28.620 I actually haven't gotten around to watching his interview with Tucker.

00:44:30.420 It's on my to-do list this weekend, but I'm assuming he told his backstory and then people

00:44:35.040 look at it and go, what is up with the science lobby that they're going after 18 year old

00:44:39.620 kids for questioning Israel?

00:44:41.760 That's actually what they're fearful of is people understanding just how long this has

00:44:46.460 been going on, how vicious it is that it will even go after an 18 year old who's just

00:44:51.300 asking questions literally.

00:44:53.880 And yeah, I think that's what it is.

00:44:56.480 It's the mass awakening that's happening.

00:44:58.100 Yeah, no.

00:44:59.040 And, you know, I credit you, Tucker, Nick, some of the biggest voices in it, like waking

00:45:04.780 people up to this problem that we've had for so long, right?

00:45:06.920 I mean, it got us into wars.

00:45:08.380 And I do think that we're making an impact on it because when I remember when Trump bombed

00:45:12.400 Iran, he had a lot of pressure on him not to do it, right?

00:45:15.700 And he was like kind of going back and forth.

00:45:17.740 I know Steve Bannon had like went to the White House and told him, don't do it or at least

00:45:20.560 push it off a little bit.

00:45:21.800 And he bombed him and then he ended it there, right?

00:45:23.980 Who knows if, you know, if he didn't have that pressure from his base to not go to war.

00:45:27.860 If he had, it would have expanded the conflict because we know Israel wanted to, right? 0.95

00:45:31.180 If this was like 2003, who knows if we wouldn't have just gotten into like a full on war.

00:45:34.660 But I think big voice in social media that we didn't have back in 03 were able to kind

00:45:39.040 of pressure like, hey, we voted for no wars.

00:45:41.280 Like, and then it kind of forced him to like, I want to keep the base.

00:45:44.380 All right, just bomb him and get out of here because that was even very unpopular.

00:45:47.100 And then you saw the neocons go, oh, you were, you were panicking.

00:45:49.900 It was just going to be in the whole time.

00:45:51.500 You guys were just panicking and it was just one response.

00:45:53.660 You thought there was going to be a broader war.

00:45:55.500 And John Miller put it quite succinctly on, he tweeted and he said, no, it's because we

00:46:01.560 panicked and freaked out that this didn't happen.

00:46:03.560 This is like saying robbers outside, you're trying to rob your house.

00:46:07.800 Your dogs start barking and the robber goes away and they're like, oh, you were just panicking.

00:46:11.480 It's like, no, it's because the dogs were barking that this thing didn't happen.

00:46:14.680 So no, every time we, you are, which by the way, he still wants, he still wants his war

00:46:20.020 with Iran.

00:46:20.660 They still want a regime change in Iran and we have to continue to bark and continue to 0.59

00:46:24.220 say that it's not okay.

00:46:25.660 And it worked because we held the line on it and use our platforms to say, this is like,

00:46:30.660 this is the red line.

00:46:31.620 Yeah, no wars.

00:46:32.420 And he, he literally was very ambiguous about it for days.

00:46:35.980 So, and I think a big part of that is from all the pressure from his base with people that

00:46:39.700 have big platforms.

00:46:40.260 And this is kind of a beautiful thing where we have with alternate media.

00:46:43.280 Cause I remember, and you, you remember too, we're around the same age, the Iraq war, there

00:46:46.560 was no dissent, we're going and nobody cares.

00:46:48.800 And we don't, you know, there was no, no one else talking about it.

00:46:51.540 The news was super pro war.

00:46:52.940 Everyone wanted to go to war.

00:46:54.000 And it wasn't until 10, 15 years later that the smoke evaporated and we're like, oh, this

00:46:58.340 was a waste of time.

00:46:59.000 Why did we go to, Salam has nothing to do with bin Laden.

00:47:01.200 Like it didn't make sense.

00:47:03.340 So let me ask you about, I guess real quick with Harvey Weinstein, what, what had you, what

00:47:07.760 got you interested in like getting his story out there?

00:47:09.720 So actually I started working on the Harvey Weinstein documentary when I was at the Daily

00:47:13.080 Wire, which, yeah.

00:47:14.800 So they, somebody on his team reached out to me cause they thought that I would be the

00:47:18.940 only person that would look at this fairly, which is interesting.

00:47:22.140 Cause obviously he and I, and he's gave millions to the ADL, you know what I'm saying?

00:47:27.220 So we were this very unlikely duo and I thought he was guilty.

00:47:29.820 I thought there had to have been some guilt.

00:47:31.740 I mean, there were so many women that were coming out, but this is how the media is effective 1.00

00:47:35.300 at psychology is that they know if they say something over and over again, it becomes true.

00:47:38.880 And actually I realized I didn't know anything about the case.

00:47:41.080 And when I took a look at it, I was shocked.

00:47:43.640 There was no question that Harvey Weinstein should not be in prison right now.

00:47:47.160 And that that's the definition of me too, right there.

00:47:49.740 Yeah.

00:47:49.940 They took him out.

00:47:50.720 Yeah.

00:47:51.160 Who took him out?

00:47:52.100 Why they took him out?

00:47:52.960 That part still is not clear to me, but it should terrify any woman, especially me who

00:47:57.920 has three sons that they can do that.

00:48:00.440 I think me too, what it represented was hostile takeovers of company of companies.

00:48:04.160 That's kind of a theme, right?

00:48:05.720 If you start to go back, you look at from Michael Jackson to Kanye to Britney Spears.

00:48:13.060 These are hostile takeovers of companies.

00:48:15.000 And I think me too was a proliferation where they hostily took over a bunch of companies.

00:48:19.360 And that's, that's my instinct about it.

00:48:22.120 And he was big.

00:48:23.840 So maybe he wasn't playing ball.

00:48:25.380 I actually do now have it on my mind that I want to ask him about this argument he had

00:48:28.920 with Jeffrey Epstein that I learned about.

00:48:30.200 A, I was very passionate about just telling the truth because the Me Too movement is problematic.

00:48:36.860 I like have a real investment in this.

00:48:38.960 I have sons.

00:48:39.640 So I don't care what people think or need to think.

00:48:44.000 I'm not voting for him to be my husband.

00:48:46.320 I'm not voting for him to be the president of the United States.

00:48:48.060 I'm not voting for him to be my pastor.

00:48:49.720 I'm telling you that he was accused of something and the media completely lied to you about the

00:48:55.320 circumstances.

00:48:55.840 And it should terrify you because it means that our courts are corrupted.

00:49:00.520 And they are.

00:49:01.200 We know that.

00:49:01.740 We know our courts are corrupted.

00:49:03.560 Why?

00:49:04.160 Maybe through the same system of blackmail, you've got judge, they've got judges in their

00:49:07.200 pockets, but there is, um, that's a part of the matrix.

00:49:10.600 The court system is a part of it.

00:49:12.000 And I give you credit because, you know, you've, uh, you're very brave for doing that because

00:49:15.300 just like with the George Floyd documentary that you did, which was going against the grain,

00:49:19.100 right?

00:49:19.900 Uh, a lot of people gave you a, you know, slack for that.

00:49:22.700 Like, Oh, why are you interviewing this, you know, pervert and why are you going ahead

00:49:26.220 and, you know, trying to destroy the legacy of George Floyd?

00:49:28.980 So, you know, I give you a lot of credit for like, cause I do think that this whole, like,

00:49:32.520 you know, me too situation and false accusations, it's very real.

00:49:35.680 It matters.

00:49:36.600 You know, athletes and professionals are constantly getting accused of stuff.

00:49:39.720 I mean, we can look at what's going on with Andrew Tate where, you know, it's like

00:49:42.820 every other month, you know, something is getting dropped or a loss is being dropped here

00:49:46.620 or they're finding out that this woman lied here or the, I, there was a, I think a pro soccer 0.95

00:49:50.560 player that recently got out after having his life destroyed.

00:49:53.260 So like this me too thing is a huge problem in the, in the Western world.

00:49:57.760 Um, so let me ask you this with, uh, Charlie Kirk, cause, uh, you're definitely one of the

00:50:02.640 most outspoken people, um, when it comes to the Charlie Kirk investigation and what's going

00:50:08.580 on there, obviously you knew him personally, you guys have worked together for many years.

00:50:12.560 Um, I'll kind of just turn it to you and you can just tell me, cause you've been looking

00:50:15.360 at this for a while now, it's almost too, yeah, it's over two months now.

00:50:18.520 Um, can you take us through what you think happened on that day?

00:50:22.920 What led you to believe that?

00:50:24.620 And, uh, the timeline in general, who you think is actually responsible, uh, you know,

00:50:28.860 who might be covering things up and everything like that.

00:50:31.560 Yeah.

00:50:32.000 So I can tell you that I view the Charlie Kirk assassination as a military hit.

00:50:38.000 I do not know who called the hit yet, but it's, it's military.

00:50:43.480 There's no question in my mind that it was a military.

00:50:46.340 Well, I think I don't view the U S military as being controlled by the U S.

00:50:52.860 I mean, there's, uh, there are a lot of people you can, we've been globalized for a very long

00:50:57.860 time.

00:50:58.660 Um, I don't know that there's a difference in there's decisions that are made in Ukraine

00:51:04.060 for America.

00:51:05.200 I mean, this is the tentacles of the U S military, um, it's a much broader and longer

00:51:11.080 conversation that needs to be had.

00:51:12.440 I mean, I think since JFK was assassinating, I don't know who's in control of anything,

00:51:15.340 right?

00:51:16.420 Much of what we see in the political realm is just an illusion.

00:51:19.280 We're talking about what's happening in Congress and decisions are made in boardrooms.

00:51:23.140 In my view with Charlie, I think that with everything that I have uncovered, there was very

00:51:30.320 clearly an, a faith infiltration that happened.

00:51:33.800 And I'm, I'm putting faith in quotation marks because Charlie would have believed the people 0.97

00:51:41.420 that came to him and told him to grow the organization and, you know, to become the boots

00:51:45.420 on the ground for faith.

00:51:46.480 He cared very deeply about his faith and the characters, the cast of characters and the

00:51:52.620 pastors that are around him, rotten, like very rotten. 0.90

00:51:56.940 The McCoys, Rob McCoy, unbelievably rotten. 0.96

00:52:00.520 And I've been covering a lot with him.

00:52:02.640 And what it's looking like is that that Calvary Chapel, uh, has been accused of tons in the

00:52:10.460 past and also accused of hostily taking over, uh, well-meaning faith organizations and ministries,

00:52:17.060 uh, with Rob McCoy at the center of these, of some of these scandals, it's looking to me

00:52:23.080 like turning points apparatus provided an opportunity.

00:52:27.900 Now who they're actually working for, what they're actually doing.

00:52:31.140 I don't know, but I can tell you it is not about Jesus Christ.

00:52:35.700 Okay.

00:52:36.180 Okay.

00:52:36.720 And this would explain why for some unknown reason, Christian Zionist influencers have

00:52:43.800 been losing their minds about the idea of investigating the Charlie Kirk assassination.

00:52:48.760 It's odd.

00:52:49.660 Like I looked up and I'm going, why are Christian Zionists trying to use Bible verses to say 1.00

00:52:54.840 that we shouldn't question anything?

00:52:56.580 I mean, everybody knows you were a cop.

00:52:58.580 The first thing you do when there's been a murder is to look around at the money, the

00:53:04.300 finances and the people around them.

00:53:06.360 Common sense, common sense.

00:53:08.640 Like, and then you pair that with the actual impossible things that they are telling us.

00:53:15.400 It was a Christian miracle.

00:53:17.520 His neck just stopped a 30 odd six from 150 yards away.

00:53:22.720 It was, it was just your, your modern Christian miracle, you know, that's bed slop, but it's 1.00

00:53:28.740 worse than that. 0.98

00:53:29.320 It's Christian slop. 1.00

00:53:30.720 People using the Bible to psychologically convince you, you know, there were Jesus performed miracles 0.91

00:53:36.540 and this was just one of them.

00:53:37.620 Charlie loved his faith.

00:53:39.700 They're lying about weird stuff.

00:53:41.980 I consider it a clue that they are lying about where Charlie was at in terms of his faith

00:53:47.860 journey.

00:53:48.320 They lied about the Hampton summit.

00:53:50.460 They lied about the fact that he had said, I have no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel

00:53:56.360 cause.

00:53:56.680 I just watched them all lie because I needed to see where all the stakes were.

00:53:59.820 These are weird lies.

00:54:01.160 Yeah.

00:54:01.640 The one thing that connects all of these lies is faith.

00:54:05.320 So that's where the focus of my investigation is right now.

00:54:09.600 And I'm coming up looking and going, all of these characters are dirty that were around

00:54:13.200 him.

00:54:13.660 So you're not going to hold up a Bible like a false prophet and tell me not to look here

00:54:20.200 or else I'm going to be condemned to hell.

00:54:22.000 Because let me tell you how the Bible works.

00:54:23.700 Okay.

00:54:24.280 Christ is King.

00:54:25.420 What that means is truth is King.

00:54:27.440 And if anybody is using the Bible to tell you not to pursue truth, you are dealing with

00:54:31.340 somebody who is manipulating you.

00:54:34.020 Who do you think, I guess, I know you said the people around him, but who do you think

00:54:37.980 is the most responsible?

00:54:38.860 Why would they want him gone?

00:54:39.880 I think Charlie was not allowed to be anything but a Christian Zionist. 0.94

00:54:45.340 Um, and he was changing in the last few weeks.

00:54:50.660 I, when I look at the timeline that I put together, some weird stuff, this Egyptian plane that was 1.00

00:54:56.480 started tracking him began, everything began ratcheting up after Tucker Carlson hit the

00:55:01.920 stage.

00:55:02.680 Uh, and July.

00:55:04.180 Like I was there for that.

00:55:05.560 Yeah.

00:55:06.340 That was, that was a something.

00:55:08.640 Yeah.

00:55:09.200 So I, I think Charlie was done as he, as Megan showed the video, he was telling Tucker to

00:55:15.220 go max, all of the things that they lied about, we've now proven.

00:55:18.640 And why were they lying about it?

00:55:21.160 That's why this is the thing.

00:55:22.000 Why lie if you have nothing to cover up?

00:55:23.560 That's my common sense here.

00:55:26.420 You only lie because you have something to cover up.

00:55:29.260 No matter, no matter what the lie is, is you only lie because there's something that you're

00:55:31.860 hiding. So if they had all come out right when Charlie died, if Seth Dillon, who pressed

00:55:36.240 Charlie in the Hamptons was like, oh my gosh, my biggest regret is the last time I saw Charlie, 0.96

00:55:40.920 I was being such a jerk about the Israel. 1.00

00:55:43.000 They were so stupid. 1.00

00:55:44.040 And this is a reminder that you never know when you're going to see somebody last. 1.00

00:55:46.280 It'd have been like, oh, okay, nothing to see here.

00:55:48.260 It was like a full court press effort to lie about everything.

00:55:51.660 Josh Hammer, he never blinked on Israel. 0.81

00:55:53.420 He was on the text message chain where Charlie said 48 hours before he died that he was done

00:56:00.540 with the peritual cause.

00:56:01.860 Why lie?

00:56:03.360 That's my question.

00:56:04.920 And I don't like the silence from Turning Point employees.

00:56:07.940 I know for a fact one of them, I'm not going to name, has a text message from Charlie the

00:56:12.860 day before he died saying they are going to kill me.

00:56:17.320 Wow. 0.96

00:56:17.540 Now he was not referring to the trans lobby when he wrote that message.

00:56:21.700 Yeah.

00:56:22.080 So why not present?

00:56:23.780 If you are his friend and you're interested in the truth, why wouldn't you tell the public

00:56:29.560 that, wouldn't you just come right out to the public and say, hey, I don't know what

00:56:33.360 happened, but like Charlie thought they were going to kill him.

00:56:36.380 I do not like the way Turning Point is behaving.

00:56:40.660 I've made that clear.

00:56:41.420 And nobody is going to emotionally manipulate me and tell me that it's all good now.

00:56:47.380 And to attack Turning Point would be to attack his legacy.

00:56:50.940 Charlie told me years ago that he had, which I shared the messages.

00:56:55.240 He was having a ton of visions and was telling me that he, Turning Point was going to be the

00:56:58.300 death of him.

00:56:58.780 He knew he was going to die young and strangely knew that I was going to be the only person

00:57:02.500 to defend him.

00:57:03.320 Right.

00:57:04.280 I showed the messages.

00:57:05.540 Yeah.

00:57:05.840 I showed the messages.

00:57:06.500 They tried to say it was fake and you pulled it up and yeah.

00:57:08.460 So it's, it's, it's, we're here, we're here now and I'm going to defend him.

00:57:12.660 I'm going to figure out what happened.

00:57:14.220 What are your thoughts on, um, how Erica Kirk has been dealing with this and some of the

00:57:18.720 people that are close to him, um, his manager, uh, Mike and all them, like, do you think

00:57:22.920 they're just playing a role?

00:57:24.340 Do you think they're involved?

00:57:25.140 What are your thoughts on them in general?

00:57:26.360 That's some of the people in his closest circle.

00:57:28.160 It is obvious to me that Mikey McCoy was the person that they wanted to launch as the

00:57:33.680 new Charlie.

00:57:34.260 That's very obvious.

00:57:35.500 The way they brought his YouTube channel back with a speech from Mikey and everyone was kind

00:57:39.320 of trying to soft sell Mikey to us.

00:57:41.180 And I was like, who's this kid?

00:57:42.040 Is this a 20, you're 23.

00:57:43.840 Why are you the chief of staff of anything?

00:57:45.500 You didn't go to college.

00:57:46.060 Who are you actually? 0.99

00:57:47.520 And you're brought in by Rob, your dad, who is dirty. 0.96

00:57:51.200 I mean, very dirty guy covered more of that yesterday. 0.88

00:57:53.640 Um, he just gives me the sleaze and the ick and it just is very strange that they, I felt

00:57:59.800 like they tried to manipulate us into accepting this almost like they had like, Mikey's going

00:58:04.780 to be this person.

00:58:05.460 Then we see Mikey, he's a hero and he just walks away right after somebody like, that

00:58:10.680 doesn't make any sense to me.

00:58:12.180 And, um, yeah, you know, with Erica, a lot of people on the internet have been going into

00:58:19.640 her past, going into her parents' past and, you know, just speaking about these things.

00:58:23.240 Israel defense contractors, parents, stuff like that.

00:58:25.860 Yeah, I've seen all that.

00:58:26.940 I respond to that on my show.

00:58:28.160 And what I've said to everybody is I'm starting with what happened on that day, what happened

00:58:32.020 leading up to his, um, assassination and the people that catch my attention are people

00:58:35.940 who are telling verifiable lies.

00:58:38.060 Okay.

00:58:38.760 Erica thus far has not told any verifiable lies.

00:58:41.980 She did not lie about the fact that he had, uh, St. Michael on him when he died.

00:58:47.020 So there's two things.

00:58:48.900 She could be on autopilot and some people could be reading that the wrong way and thinking,

00:58:55.060 oh, well, she's like, she's not acting right.

00:58:56.740 Okay.

00:58:57.220 Is she on autopilot because she fears something?

00:59:00.560 Right.

00:59:01.180 Again, we don't know what's happening behind the scenes, but you have to have some level

00:59:06.160 of fear.

00:59:07.540 If you watch somebody get assassinated.

00:59:10.740 I don't know.

00:59:13.500 I just, I just don't know.

00:59:15.020 And so people have been upset with me for not going, you know, down the rabbit hole on

00:59:19.600 my show about Erica's parents, people's parents are people's parents.

00:59:24.880 They haven't yet come up in my investigation.

00:59:26.580 If I find out that her parents were involved and then, then it's going to catch my investment.

00:59:31.760 And there's nobody that will be spared once they come up, once they tell a lie, once they,

00:59:35.780 I come across something.

00:59:36.660 I just literally have not come across anything with Frank Turek.

00:59:40.860 Also, I haven't come across anything with Erica in my investigation.

00:59:44.660 So, um, the shooter, uh, or the alleged shooter, you think they're a patsy?

00:59:49.540 Of course they're a patsy.

00:59:50.780 I mean, come on. 1.00

00:59:51.240 It's just so dumb. 0.99

00:59:52.200 It's so, he wasn't even on campus that day. 0.99

00:59:53.620 They can't show us one clear image, not even one, all of these cameras, turning point has

00:59:58.520 everything in 4k.

01:00:00.120 So shouldn't you have caught the shooter on the roof in 4k?

01:00:02.540 Like you had cameras everywhere that day, every inch of that campus is covered.

01:00:06.440 That was someone else that was running across?

01:00:07.760 Absolutely.

01:00:08.080 It wasn't Tyler?

01:00:08.740 Absolutely.

01:00:09.380 Someone that just, I don't even know if there was a person that sprinted that day because

01:00:13.640 everyone's forgetting.

01:00:15.000 There was also a news report that came out a week before that somebody was on the roof

01:00:21.140 and a professor came out and waved the person that they may have been dropping off a gun,

01:00:25.720 dropping off a screwdriver.

01:00:26.780 I don't know.

01:00:27.580 Cause there was one video, like one of the students had panned out where he was running.

01:00:30.680 I took that video that I had to track down.

01:00:32.640 Okay.

01:00:33.120 Military.

01:00:34.180 Really?

01:00:35.420 Everybody's military in the story.

01:00:36.720 Really?

01:00:37.160 So the person that captured that, cause I remember when it first broke out, that cell

01:00:40.780 phone footage got released where the shot goes off and for some odd reason, he's looking

01:00:44.620 at the roof and you see like a little speck running on the top.

01:00:47.440 So that person that took that video was military.

01:00:49.720 I got in touch with the person and they didn't put up it, didn't put the video up themselves.

01:00:52.620 I had to go through three people.

01:00:54.520 I'm like, so I'm supposed to believe you're like a college kid and you have nothing to

01:00:57.340 do with anything.

01:00:57.680 You just decided to randomly like be like, oh, I got this video, but I'm going to set

01:01:00.620 it through three people to have it released.

01:01:02.940 And also the Losey building where the shot definitely did not come from is the only place

01:01:07.400 on campus that houses, I believe on the third floor, according to my source, like the military

01:01:11.420 something is, is in the Losey building.

01:01:13.820 So there's a lot happening, uh, that all of that was just a show to mask who the real

01:01:19.980 shooter was.

01:01:20.460 I think it's way more likely that the shooter was in the audience or, uh, to the side of

01:01:25.440 the audience.

01:01:25.980 I think that's more, that's the more likely story because he wasn't shot with a 30 odd

01:01:29.920 six first and foremost, and the bullets did not destroy his neck.

01:01:34.980 I know that for a fact.

01:01:36.740 And he actually, uh, yeah, 30 odd six throws everybody off.

01:01:41.840 Like, but that was their plan until I accidentally, which I didn't even process it at the time,

01:01:47.300 revealed that the bullet didn't go through.

01:01:48.600 So yeah.

01:01:49.340 And then they kind of were like, Oh, it was just a miracle.

01:01:52.080 Actually, it was no 30 odd six.

01:01:54.060 Yeah.

01:01:54.160 The text messages are a bit strange too.

01:01:56.260 And you know, this whole situation, like I, I wish the government was being a bit more

01:02:00.360 transparent because this has an incredible amount of public interest.

01:02:02.660 So it's like, look, dude, you guys probably should be more transparent on this because

01:02:05.980 government trust is down at its lowest when it comes to people trusting law enforcement

01:02:09.600 or whatever.

01:02:09.940 What are your thoughts on, um, how the FBI and the state police are handling this in

01:02:14.960 general?

01:02:15.500 Cause I know you've been critical.

01:02:16.460 I think what's way more important is trusting Alexis Wilkins as a sensational singer and the 0.80

01:02:22.160 people.

01:02:23.420 Be careful.

01:02:24.160 She might sue you. 0.99

01:02:24.760 I don't want to talk about like the feds right now.

01:02:27.180 Like they're doing what they have to do.

01:02:28.160 The more important thing is that this sensational country singer is left alone.

01:02:32.140 We are just not a serious nation.

01:02:33.720 I mean, I think if Putin's FBI director or put that out, he would just, Putin would just

01:02:40.280 quietly have him assassinated or something.

01:02:41.700 I don't know.

01:02:42.480 Uh, but we're just not a serious nation.

01:02:43.900 That is just, they are tweeting like girls on TikTok right now. 0.93

01:02:49.220 And it's embarrassing.

01:02:50.620 It is so embarrassing.

01:02:52.080 He should have been forced to resign.

01:02:54.320 Trump should have made him resign for embarrassing us because, uh, there's no way Putin's not laughing

01:02:59.860 with his homies right now about that tweet.

01:03:01.240 My girlfriend, my life partner, we are a bunch of people.

01:03:06.960 It's crazy, crazy.

01:03:08.100 Yeah.

01:03:08.360 And obviously with his blessing, obviously with his blessing, or you would say, Hey, honey,

01:03:13.100 not now.

01:03:14.100 Yeah.

01:03:14.400 Right.

01:03:15.240 This is a bad time.

01:03:16.280 I'm going to be taken as a serious man.

01:03:17.940 Optically.

01:03:18.340 Yeah.

01:03:18.700 And of course the opposite thing happens now where everyone's now calling her a honeypot.

01:03:22.340 And so what's she going to do?

01:03:23.660 Like whack them all just sue everybody on the internet.

01:03:25.280 Who's making a joke, sue Tim Dillon or something. 0.70

01:03:27.400 Yeah.

01:03:27.680 It's absolutely nuts.

01:03:29.140 Um, so it'd be fair to say, so you don't, you know,

01:03:31.220 I believe the official nerve and I, and I do agree with you.

01:03:33.080 There's a lot of problems with it, right?

01:03:34.440 Between a 30 out six.

01:03:36.260 Why don't we have the full footage of him taking the shot, then running off?

01:03:39.000 You're only showing him running.

01:03:40.520 Um, the text messages are strange.

01:03:42.820 You don't even show us him taking the shot.

01:03:44.120 Yeah.

01:03:44.300 That seems like a pretty easy thing to do.

01:03:46.380 That's one of my biggest issues is they didn't show him taking a shot, but they have

01:03:49.540 him running across the roof.

01:03:50.520 So it's like, how do you not have him prone shooting the shot?

01:03:53.220 So I guess, and I know you're still investigating and figuring everything out, but if you can

01:03:58.140 kind of give me a quick summary, what do you think transpired in that day?

01:04:00.780 Who do you think is responsible?

01:04:02.280 Maybe a rough timeline.

01:04:03.500 I know you're still filling parts in, but from what you have so far, what do you think?

01:04:05.980 So this is a guess.

01:04:06.640 And this is just like, if I had to guess right now where I'm at and this, I think Tyler Robinson's

01:04:12.320 only contribution was that he had his prints on the gun.

01:04:18.120 I know that he, his prints were not the only prints that were on the gun, which is something

01:04:21.280 that they haven't been honest about.

01:04:23.040 I would suspect that his only role.

01:04:25.180 The screwdriver of DNA on that too and stuff.

01:04:26.500 Yeah.

01:04:26.760 I think Lance Twiggs is much more involved.

01:04:28.800 I don't think he took the shot either, but I think he's more involved.

01:04:31.240 I think that Tyler Robinson's, all the people that were involved that day got swept up in

01:04:37.000 pedophile stuff from George Zinn.

01:04:39.280 The guy that cheered his father is also a pedophile.

01:04:42.020 The guy next, I mean, the whole thing is like, it was an operation with blackmailed 0.82

01:04:45.680 people.

01:04:46.180 The Zinn guy was at 9-11 too.

01:04:47.420 Yeah.

01:04:48.060 Yeah.

01:04:48.360 I mean, just unbelievable.

01:04:50.760 And again, more of a marker that this was like a blackmail operation.

01:04:55.280 Also Zinn told a nurse that he was being paid, didn't know how he was going to be paid for

01:04:58.960 doing that after.

01:04:59.780 So he was supposed to be another patsy.

01:05:02.460 And yeah, cause it was like immediate.

01:05:04.380 Like he got, like when this girl broke out, he got arrested and he was like, it was out

01:05:07.800 in the news, like immediately.

01:05:09.000 Multiple people involved that day.

01:05:10.460 One person may be just supposed to run across the rooftop.

01:05:14.380 Another, I think Tyler Robinson, all his job was to pick up clothes.

01:05:18.800 I think literally he didn't set foot on campus that day.

01:05:21.140 And his job was to get rid of the clothes next to the Dairy Queen into some cemetery,

01:05:25.120 which I broke.

01:05:26.300 And the FBI is not disputed, but they decided to monitor the Dairy Queen afterwards and send

01:05:30.140 some feds there.

01:05:30.860 And, uh, yeah, so his role was to pick up clothes.

01:05:34.580 I think Lance is actually the one that's walking, um, in the backpack and, but.

01:05:41.060 Oh, uh, the TMZ footage?

01:05:42.680 In the maroon.

01:05:42.960 Yep.

01:05:43.220 I think, I think that's Lance.

01:05:44.120 The TMZ footage, okay.

01:05:44.580 And I don't know who was walking up the stairs.

01:05:46.260 I think that's a whole different person because they don't even look like they have the same

01:05:48.560 body.

01:05:49.140 Okay.

01:05:49.360 And yeah, that's how you do a nice feather operation. 1.00

01:05:52.040 You got a bunch of patsies doing different roles.

01:05:54.020 And then it shows the video of the stairway footage either, which is another thing that's

01:05:57.360 strange.

01:05:57.960 Yep.

01:05:58.400 Yeah.

01:05:58.800 Okay.

01:05:59.220 Well, no, I mean, I see you're, there's a lot of, you know, and I said it before, they've

01:06:03.880 created more questions than answers.

01:06:05.300 Right.

01:06:05.660 Right.

01:06:06.080 Which is obviously the problem here.

01:06:08.600 But, um, but I know we're sore for time here.

01:06:10.700 So I'll just, uh, yeah, where can people find you?

01:06:13.560 I mean, everywhere.

01:06:14.480 Yeah, you're everywhere.

01:06:15.100 Yeah.

01:06:15.620 At your local courthouse, your local courthouse being sued.

01:06:19.360 If you'd like to find me, uh, your local news station being called anti-Semite.

01:06:23.220 Oh, one last thing.

01:06:24.680 Do you think, cause I know Turning Point, they had said something about, we're going

01:06:27.820 to go after anyone that's saying anything.

01:06:29.340 Have they like reached out to you at all or contacted you?

01:06:31.900 Cause you're probably one of the most outspoken critic of what's going on with this investigation.

01:06:35.460 Happy to have any person at Turning Point on my show to discuss anything that I'm saying,

01:06:39.120 to make any corrections about anything that I'm saying.

01:06:41.800 Um, they can make a statement for all I care.

01:06:44.180 I'm not going to stop investigating this until we're told something that makes sense, makes

01:06:47.720 rational sense.

01:06:48.800 And, uh, you're not going to tell me like you do with Israel that I'll get into heaven 0.58

01:06:53.420 if I just ignore how Charlie Kirk was killed.

01:06:55.740 Like we're not going to do, we're not going to play that game.

01:06:57.800 So say something that makes sense or you have an enemy of me.

01:07:00.920 That's pretty much it.

01:07:01.900 And if you didn't want people prying into this narrative, maybe you shouldn't have executed

01:07:07.920 him publicly.

01:07:08.920 Maybe you should have pretended he choked on an egg or something like you did with that,

01:07:13.220 that, uh, rapper a long while back when he started asking questions about things.

01:07:18.160 Not a good idea to get everyone emotionally invested in the story and then to tell them

01:07:22.220 to shut off their emotions.

01:07:23.360 No, I mean, you've been doing an incredible job of putting a lot of pressure on them.

01:07:26.420 Right.

01:07:26.600 Uh, so hopefully we, you know, get answers here because what they have out right now just

01:07:30.740 simply doesn't make sense.

01:07:31.760 So, so thank you so much, Candice.

01:07:33.360 I appreciate it.

01:07:33.900 Thank you.

01:07:34.080 So great.

01:07:34.860 Yeah.

01:07:34.980 Yeah.

01:07:35.120 And also thank you for being so patient because I know my schedule is so crazy with so many

01:07:38.480 kids.

01:07:39.020 And so it's like, we just got to make it happen.

01:07:40.420 I was like, just get them down here.

01:07:41.640 You're a mom, you have a family, so I totally understand it.

01:07:43.600 So thank you so much.

01:07:44.580 Anytime.

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - November 19, 2025

Candace Owens On Feminism, Zionism, Who Assassinated Charlie Kirk？

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