The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Charlie Kirk Murder Hearing Day 2, RIP Connor Murphy, US Bombs Iran, Trump In Turkey, ICE Shooting!

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00:11:00.000 Describe in more detail what that item might be.

00:11:01.720 It appears to be black and it appears to be longer.

00:11:05.340 Okay, anything else about that item?

00:11:10.020 No.

00:11:10.920 What's up, what's up?

00:11:17.260 I believe it was Exhibit 9, State's Exhibit 9,

00:11:20.120 that Ms. Nestor pulled up on the screen.

00:11:23.560 And she had you look at that.

00:11:25.860 And I believe what you looked at was beginning,

00:11:29.160 a still image but then a few moments or a few seconds of that video and that's the UVU

00:11:34.920 tunnel video is that right? The breezeway underneath all the flags yes.

00:11:38.660 And the view is is from behind where I believe you testified that Mr. Kirk was on the other

00:11:45.100 side of what appears to be a banner in that tunnel view. Yes. And on the other side of

00:11:51.600 that banner is the tent and then the rest of the courtyard is that what you're saying?

00:11:55.160 do you remember seeing the banner yes in the video okay and you're referring to

00:12:02.480 the the back of the pop-up tent correct yes yes and do you remember what do you

00:12:08.060 what do you remember about that banner has some kind of an emblem on it and it

00:12:14.960 forms the back portion of the pop-up tent is it is it opaque is it transparent

00:12:20.520 No, you can't see through it.

00:12:21.860 It's white, and you cannot see through it, no.

00:12:25.480 Thank you, Drama.

00:12:26.700 And how much of the tunnel does that banner, I guess, if it's opaque, obstruct?

00:12:35.740 I couldn't say.

00:12:37.820 I'm assuming it's a 20 by 20 gazebo,

00:12:40.720 so it would block out the area of the back of the tent that you can see.

00:12:46.260 You would not be able to see through it.

00:12:47.640 You would not be able to see through it from the audience side of the amphitheater.

00:12:51.940 And what about the tunnel side of that banner?

00:12:54.360 Can you see through the tunnel side in the opposite direction?

00:12:57.360 You cannot, no.

00:12:58.740 Can you see Mr. Kirk on the other side of that banner?

00:13:02.220 You can't, no.

00:13:02.980 Okay.

00:13:09.860 You, you, well, we exhibited, or Ms. Nestor had you watch just...

00:13:15.480 How's the audio, guys?

00:13:16.200 Audio good? You can hear it?

00:13:16.980 seconds of that video that that exhibit is actually much longer than what we

00:13:21.240 just looked at or what mr mr mr. had you look at is that right correct and

00:13:25.980 leading up and again I'm referring to that I see you that tunnel view I'm a

00:13:31.920 little bit louder than them so you guys can hear this camera leading up to the

00:13:34.540 shot what's going on behind that banner there are representatives I believe of

00:13:39.960 TPUSA but there are representatives of TPUSA there are law enforcement

00:13:43.820 representatives i don't know if there's any student body but essentially people are moving to

00:13:49.040 and fro behind that area a couple of individuals are retrieving items from a vehicle but there's

00:13:55.580 consistent movement behind and in that area directly behind the banner correct

00:14:00.980 Ms. Nestor asked you about the wooded area that Mr. Robinson entered.

00:14:14.400 Well, Ms. Nestor brought that up, and I believe your testimony has been between today and yesterday

00:14:19.920 that you witnessed Mr. Robinson enter a wooded area on at least two occasions.

00:14:24.800 Is that fair to say?

00:14:25.500 yes on on his second visit to the campus and on the visit where the incident took

00:14:33.600 place at least on those two occasions didn't the wooded area that he entered

00:14:40.800 were they different parts of the wooded area or was it the same parts that they

00:14:44.680 appeared to be the same you're aware that a rifle was eventually discovered

00:14:52.140 yes and and was it your understanding that that rifle was discovered in a

00:14:57.500 wooded area I was it was in the wooded area where we believe mr. Robertson

00:15:02.140 entered the wooded area I'll turn up a little bit some somebody says low and

00:15:08.180 that rifle was discovered on the 10th yes

00:15:14.180 mr. asked you about a variety of tips tips including threats to mr.

00:15:22.100 Kirk I think before the event yes and did you follow up on those tips after

00:15:30.740 tips have been put through a process and been analyzed and screened anything

00:15:34.760 that appeared to have relevance to either the investigation or a credible

00:15:38.180 threat was managed by the various entities involved yes so managed by law

00:15:43.760 enforcement so correct did you personally follow up on any of the

00:15:47.480 tips I don't think I personally did but I worked closely with people who did the

00:15:55.640 point is I guess is that those tips were followed up on is that fair to say to

00:15:58.820 the best of our ability yes and then mr. also asked you about tips I believe

00:16:03.620 of people reporting to police that they felt like they knew who who the shooter

00:16:10.520 was yes okay so identities of possible shooters correct did did law

00:16:15.380 enforcement follow-up on those tips as well? They did.

00:16:23.420 Miss Nester, finally, Miss Nester asked you, well, she asked you whether Mr.

00:16:38.620 Robinson voluntarily went to the sheriff's office down in southern Utah, is that right?

00:16:46.720 Yes.

00:16:47.280 Okay.

00:16:47.840 And that was the Washington County Sheriff's Office?

00:16:49.700 Yes.

00:16:50.560 You understood that he turned him, well, he showed up there voluntarily, is that right?

00:16:54.720 Correct.

00:16:55.220 What was your understanding as to why he was showing up there voluntarily?

00:16:59.060 uh he had informed i believe his immediate family that he had been involved in the shooting

00:17:06.280 and that he wanted to turn himself in

00:17:08.900 all right so that's the end of uh that's pretty much the end of the testimony for the main case

00:17:17.540 agent um i think they're probably going to bring the co-case agent on this thing next

00:17:20.860 and we'll kind of sorry guys i started up a little bit later i had some important business

00:17:25.860 calls this morning so that's why i couldn't start up but uh we'll recap everything as well

00:17:40.340 in in the video that um he has a few more okay we've already talked about the video where mr

00:17:46.980 robinson stands up and runs across the top of the low c building is there do you notice whether at

00:17:53.380 that point after he stood up until you you see him last at least in that part

00:17:59.560 of the video do you notice whether he's walking or running with a limp he is not

00:18:04.840 from the time he left the after going over the railing when we see him on the

00:18:09.460 video move out to the position correct and then leave the position there is no

00:18:14.240 longer a visible limp or gate. Thank you. Ms. Nestor. All right. May agent Hall be

00:18:25.880 excused. All right. Thank you. All right. Let's take a five minute break. All right.

00:18:35.420 All right. All right. So they're doing a quick little recess chat while I turn my

00:18:44.060 monitors on one of my monitors on um yeah bear with me here guys sorry every time i turn on one

00:18:49.060 of the monitors everything else starts acting crazy um so yeah anyway like i was saying sorry

00:18:52.940 guys to delay i wanted to come on at 11 this morning because when they started um but i had

00:18:57.140 to uh do had a i had a report of phone call fresh this morning so we were handling some stuff um

00:19:02.020 good stuff good stuff i think we got some big things coming for you guys um later on so um i'm

00:19:07.220 excited for it but either way um that's kind of what i was doing this morning but uh let's see

00:19:13.600 here let's kind of go ahead and recap some of the stuff we missed because i was in and out listening

00:19:20.260 to it uh with with this as far as like this thing goes i mean i was like in and out listening to it

00:19:25.360 i know uh obviously the guy that just went on that was the main case agent out of the sbi

00:19:29.880 okay which is the uh utah's functional equivalent of the fbi okay um he is the second witness that

00:19:37.620 got done um the first witness was a campus police officer and then the second one was the guy um

00:19:44.020 was the case agent i predict the next witness is more than likely it might be the second case agent

00:19:48.780 on the case that probably took the case further because uh this guy actually left sbi to go uh

00:19:54.160 do another uh assignment within the state police so let's go ahead and look here and see if we can

00:19:58.700 go uh tyler robinson day two we can go get a quick little recap on this

00:20:09.800 we got core tv

00:20:13.160 a bunch of people live streaming it

00:20:19.120 recap let's see here

00:20:24.260 hold on guys i'm looking for so i'm looking at the different um

00:20:30.480 things we could look on here because the it's a break right now

00:20:34.780 and oh he didn't get turn himself in the weirder stuff that he was coerced into doing this

00:20:48.820 yeah and it that was actually kind of the i think a moment that we you could skip over and kind of

00:21:00.260 not hear it but the defense themselves is admitting that tyler robinson turned himself in

00:21:06.340 so you know what would compel him to do that besides being guilty of the crime of the alleged

00:21:15.160 crime here i don't know what what you could surmise from that um there was also this um

00:21:22.040 there was also this uh interesting moment where

00:21:25.560 talking about like some of the camera footage that there were there were multiple angles or

00:21:32.800 something uh sat 12 i want to talk now about the tp usa video that you got that was the angle that

00:21:41.280 was you guys want me to show the chat on the side you guys want me to move it you guys want

00:21:45.140 to see uh the tp usa chat or you know you guys don't care from behind mr kirk while he was

00:21:53.160 talking looking out at the audience during when the shot was fired do you remember that video

00:21:57.660 the visual impulse videos yes yes all right is it true that visual impulse provided four videos

00:22:04.780 uh yeah i believe there were four total videos that encompassed everything that they provided

00:22:10.720 to us, yes. But the one that you

00:22:12.800 showed, that's only one of the four that

00:22:14.780 they provided to you?

00:22:17.400 That one

00:22:18.820 that was shown had a Bates number. It was

00:22:20.360 an item that was provided by Utah County

00:22:22.800 Attorney's Office. Okay, but

00:22:24.420 were there more that you haven't seen

00:22:26.900 in this courtroom, in this prelim

00:22:28.520 that you got from? There's the original

00:22:30.740 footage. Okay.

00:22:32.920 But were there other angles

00:22:34.940 that are not shown here in this

00:22:36.880 prelim? Yes. Okay, that's what

00:22:38.880 I was trying to get to. Thank you.

00:22:40.720 so i don't really know what she's getting at there um all that that video was turned over

00:22:48.720 to authorities that's why they have it uh so i don't know if she's trying to get access to that

00:22:54.680 or doesn't have access to that i'm i'm not sure what to make of that uh precise as the that's

00:22:59.980 her job right like a defense attorney's job is to come in and shake the tree see what they can get 0.99

00:23:05.560 you know what i mean try to hurt the credibility of the investigation that's all they're trying

00:23:08.680 to do they're trying to create reasonable doubt um also guys do me a favor double tap on your way

00:23:12.940 in if you're coming in on tiktok and then like the video you guys are watching on on youtube okay

00:23:16.520 smash the like button on youtube double tap the thing i'm on here early for you guys i never come

00:23:20.320 on this early but obviously we're going to break down this preliminary hearing uh you know live

00:23:25.740 it's always tough to see what they're going for as we've established they're

00:23:29.440 really throwing every piece of spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks they are they're asking

00:23:36.140 they're bringing up every objection they can they're asking questions that seem weird we even

00:23:39.820 heard them ask him did you were you involved in the decision to repave over where it happened

00:23:47.500 and he said no i only heard about that later same and through the news yeah that's gonna be a

00:23:53.420 university decision he said i heard about that through news reports yeah which was the same for

00:23:57.640 us um yeah there there's a bunch there i it does seem just initial reaction kind of the way she's

00:24:05.820 going through everything it does feel like they're just kind of trying to i don't know sort of poke

00:24:11.420 holes blur the vision yeah that's their job it's important then to kind of go through some of you

00:24:16.760 know that that's that's the defense's job right like object to everything try to keep things from

00:24:21.660 getting in that's their job these different moments that we have here right so just to recap

00:24:27.940 for the audience we've got the medical examiner's report says cause of death was a gunshot wound to

00:24:32.780 the neck, right? So no exploding mic theory. CPUSA turned over HD video footage of a visual

00:24:39.720 impulse, turned over the video footage from their camera shooting. So nobody tampered with that

00:24:45.440 evidence. It was turned over. The lead investigator testified that the tip came when a person,

00:24:51.000 Tyler Robinson, turned himself into the Washington County police. So he did turn himself in. That's

00:24:56.320 another sort of thing that's been unclear access to the rooftop we heard from that testimony

00:25:03.400 that he when he was walking with a limp he kind of rolled over the railing so it was

00:25:10.140 the open to the public a small guardrail that can be hopped over to gain entry or in this case

00:25:15.440 rollover so you don't need to be super tall you don't need to be super you don't need to have like

00:25:21.900 a huge vertical jump or anything like that he rolled over it that video is uh has been presented

00:25:29.420 of that moment happening uh so so there's just the the bullet casing we talked about that bolt

00:25:36.100 actions doesn't doesn't eject the casing if one shot's firing uh go ahead you were i'm just

00:25:41.300 thinking some of the i'm re-looking because we're getting these videos coming in some of the stranger

00:25:45.620 objections they they go after the autopsy there they ask were you personally present there and

00:25:51.440 he says no so so you're only getting the second hand yes that is what we're allowed to do in this

00:25:57.180 preliminary hearing we will see um you know yeah and and you know as the case agent is your job to

00:26:02.420 like the case agent's job guys to manage the case so he's getting all the information and it comes

00:26:07.540 to one central person that is your job as a case agent you delegate different tasks to different

00:26:14.280 people they do what they're supposed to do and then they give you the findings and then you manage

00:26:18.240 everything you know the medical exam you are the central point of the investigation or will

00:26:22.780 almost presumably come in or give some kind of uh make some sort of appearance in the actual trial

00:26:28.740 but for now it is enough for the police officer to say i have seen the report and this is what it

00:26:33.980 says uh but they're they're they're really making a lot of objections and i know some people are

00:26:39.820 freaking out about them remember tyler robinson is constitutionally entitled to a defense and

00:26:46.760 you and i both believe they have a pretty tough job to do honestly it would be a tough job i

00:26:52.460 in in kind of just hearing nester repeatedly say tyler robinson turned himself in and it's sort of

00:26:58.420 that alone would be a really uphill battle at that point ask yourself what would you do if you were

00:27:04.940 required professionally to do this yeah and so you're you're basically casting any doubt you can

00:27:12.580 any skepticism in any different piece of the pie and the puzzle that they've put together

00:27:17.900 to try and, I don't know, just inject any sort of doubt in the mind of the judge in this case,

00:27:23.920 because it's kind of, he's an audience of one right here. But, you know, it's a preview of

00:27:27.700 what the defense tactics are going to be. But yeah, just him admitting alone. So it basically,

00:27:34.120 I'll read the quote here, and I think we're getting the video as well. It says,

00:27:39.800 uh isn't it fair to say that as of this is from nester the the defense isn't it fair to say that

00:27:46.780 as of the moment that tyler robinson voluntarily surrendered to authorities in washington county

00:27:51.600 as of that moment you all did not know who the shooter was is that right even the framing of

00:27:57.200 that you didn't know who the shooter was uh that's interesting are you admitting that this

00:28:02.540 that tyler robinson's issue we identified a person of interest they didn't really explore that i

00:28:07.240 don't think no they was it tyler robinson or was it somebody else you mean the the investigators

00:28:13.440 when he says that we had a person of interest we identified a person of interest uh but we did not

00:28:18.120 specifically know who the shooter was at that time i think i read that as just i read that as just

00:28:22.860 sort of um him saying that we identified that person the suspect in the video that makes sense

00:28:28.760 yes yeah because he's saying we don't know who we didn't know who specifically know who the

00:28:32.620 shooter was okay so so they knew who they were looking yeah they exactly they they they knew

00:28:37.700 the person in the videos they'd seen who they they thought was the person of interest you and

00:28:41.960 then nestor says you became aware that mr robinson was voluntary voluntarily surrendering

00:28:46.660 how did you become aware of that uh and hall says that information came originally i believe from

00:28:52.940 the washington county sheriff to the administration at the uh the control center at the university on

00:28:58.620 the evening of the investigation or the second evening. And just to help people have this map

00:29:03.160 in their head, Washington County is down in St. George. That's actually many hours drive away.

00:29:08.760 This is in Utah County. That's where Provo and Oromar. And then Washington County is down in

00:29:13.660 the southwest corner of the state, close to Nevada and Arizona. That's where Tyler Robinson is from.

00:29:19.300 That's where he turned himself in. And so I just want to emphasize that point that this is a

00:29:24.120 completely separate police department sheriff's office that is bringing in this information to

00:29:29.580 them yeah that's that's a good point um separate sheriff's office we're going to take a quick break

00:29:35.340 for real america's voice again the preliminary hearing is taking a quick break we're monitoring

00:29:40.580 we'll be right back yeah so um yeah it's not a close drive right that's not a close drive so

00:29:47.480 when people say that he was going there to do recon or whatever um that's kind of uh what they're

00:29:52.960 talking about and and again guys there's so many different law enforcement agencies that were

00:29:56.880 involved in this investigation like the case agent's not going to know every single thing

00:30:01.560 um that every other agency did during the course of this investigation so um and especially of a

00:30:07.580 case like of this you know significance with this many hands in the cookie jar it's just impossible

00:30:11.880 to know everything but it is the state police that's running it so um they're the ones that

00:30:17.180 are making the investigative decisions but obviously lots of things happened before the guy

00:30:20.100 became the official case agent.

00:30:23.180 All right, Snow Young goes,

00:30:23.960 oh, slash, appreciate you, man.

00:30:25.800 Pepper Street, he says, 1.00

00:30:26.960 have you done a segment on all the foreigners here

00:30:28.540 for the World Cup and their reaction

00:30:29.820 to American culture and cuisine?

00:30:30.940 No, I haven't.

00:30:33.800 Can you give a summary from the day before

00:30:35.760 at the start of the streams?

00:30:38.600 I guess I could, yeah.

00:30:40.800 Ricky says, have you spoken about the Dustin

00:30:43.240 Warrior incident from a couple weeks ago?

00:30:46.020 What advice would you give someone struggling

00:30:47.360 to give up on something as intense as MMA,

00:30:48.920 especially if they turn to alcohol to cope i've never heard of them i mean i tell you guys all

00:30:55.040 the time bro don't drink alcohol is the devil dude it really is the devil um hey bro did i

00:31:01.660 get a wrench from tiktok from yesterday patriot uh chef tell brett brett gonna give it to you

00:31:07.320 because for some odd reason when i'm in the web version it doesn't let me give wrenches out

00:31:10.540 uh guard says what's your prediction on the prosecutor the defense showing actual evidence

00:31:15.380 of Tyler taking a shot.

00:31:17.620 Yes, I did hear about this, guys.

00:31:18.900 So there's, guys, there's word out there, allegedly.

00:31:23.020 Apparently, there is video out there

00:31:25.540 of Tyler Robinson actually taking the shot.

00:31:31.100 Okay?

00:31:31.720 I don't know.

00:31:32.580 Did someone mention it in this preliminary hearing?

00:31:34.020 Was it mentioned in this preliminary hearing, guys?

00:31:36.340 Like I said before, I was working out and I was on the call,

00:31:38.200 so I didn't even get to watch all of it.

00:31:39.900 But I'm hoping maybe somebody here saw it.

00:31:43.560 Did they mention that they have it?

00:31:46.180 So I've heard from multiple people now

00:31:47.680 that they have the video of him actually getting down

00:31:50.140 in a prone position and firing the shot.

00:31:53.160 So we'll see.

00:31:55.300 Welcome to the OSS.

00:31:57.620 Mick, Mario, what's up? 0.93

00:31:58.380 Do you think it's a good idea for a young man to use 304s?

00:32:01.560 Eh, I'm not sure.

00:32:05.280 I don't know if that's the best move, dude,

00:32:06.600 because then you're going to get lazy.

00:32:10.700 GG Channel says, hey, Mario, I hope you're doing okay.

00:32:14.300 Yesterday, I asked about being a mod for your TikTok.

00:32:16.540 There's people in TikTok right now cheering on Charlie Kirk's demise.

00:32:20.360 My name is Black Gotcha Gamer.

00:32:22.080 Okay, tell Brett.

00:32:23.760 Brett, can you give these guys a wrench, bro?

00:32:26.380 Because I can't give it to them right now.

00:32:28.080 Joel says, early show is the best.

00:32:29.840 Fair.

00:32:30.620 Busy Bustin' 304 says, if Tyler did do this, does he admit it to his lawyer

00:32:34.120 so they can plan his defense in the best way possible?

00:32:36.980 Well, everything he tells his lawyer is going to be a privilege.

00:32:39.180 So he could literally say, you know, anything.

00:32:41.740 you know anything he talks to his lawyer about is privileged and protected and the government

00:32:47.140 can't use it against him ghostly says off topic uh but could you break down the mexico cartels

00:32:52.360 please uh i know we've been asking this about it yeah that'll have to be the reason why i haven't

00:32:56.480 done that is because that's going to be like its own i'd have to dedicate several episodes episodes

00:33:01.240 to that if i did it you know i mean so that's kind of why all right let's see what else is going on

00:33:07.280 here okay let's see this i've been taking in consideration all sorry guys the audio is like

00:33:19.460 this but here's new footage i guess that they didn't show let's look at this it's only coming

00:33:25.360 out one side i apologize guys this is the salt lake tribune being trash you may proceed appreciate

00:33:30.480 that judge thank you go ahead okay what are we seeing here agent hall uh that's the vehicle

00:33:36.300 is believed to belong to mr robinson arriving in the parking garage on campus

00:33:40.200 yeah what time in the morning is what what time of the day uh it's approximately 8 30 in the

00:33:45.520 morning on september 10th 2025 and and what leads you to believe all broke out the challenger

00:33:50.900 this particular vehicle belongs to mr robinson uh information uh that was provided

00:33:57.840 um regards to driver's license and department of motor vehicle record yes i will be covering

00:34:03.460 a dirk trial i will be covering a dirk trial the only problem with the dirk trial is this federal

00:34:07.320 bro so i'm gonna have to go there in person just like i did with the diddy one courts the vehicle

00:34:12.960 fits the description of a vehicle owned by mr robinson is there anything unique about that

00:34:17.400 vehicle that stands out to you uh the the shape of the vehicle is is very distinct but predominantly

00:34:22.800 the wheels were very distinctive on this uh yeah guys i'm sorry the audio is like this it's not me

00:34:27.160 now what do we see uh the driver of the vehicle exits the vehicle and then uh walks on foot

00:34:33.540 try turning it up a little bit

00:34:34.540 that's the individual in the the red t-shirt and the short i can't get the audio on my auto

00:34:42.520 mono chat it's the way that they recorded it's not me and uh shoes and do you believe you

00:34:49.140 recognize who that person is yes who is that i believe that's tyler robinson okay there you go

00:34:54.200 all right where does he go from there this is never seen a never before seen footage he heads

00:35:01.000 out of the parking garage on foot uh into the campus um and actually goes to the quad area of

00:35:07.020 the campus at that time he makes contact with some representatives from tp usa by quad area

00:35:15.620 sorry the amphitheater is is what i've previously referred it to all right so he goes up on campus

00:35:21.720 visits the the amphitheater area the courtyard or quad correct um and and then what do we see here

00:35:27.380 now he returns on foot back to the same vehicle and what time is he returning back to the vehicle

00:35:33.080 It's about 9.25 a.m.

00:35:59.060 And where is this parking structure located on campus?

00:36:02.460 Uh, it's, it's just off of campus drive.

00:36:05.200 Um, it's a short walk from the, from the amphitheater.

00:36:10.100 What do we see now?

00:36:12.120 Uh, that's the vehicle exiting with Mr. Robinson.

00:36:14.780 You know what?

00:36:15.060 Let me see if I could just rewind on here and get this for you guys.

00:36:26.100 I mean, I'll find it for you guys right now.

00:36:29.660 Probably early in the testimony.

00:36:32.460 and uh this is mr robinson returning to the campus on perfect okay we got it baby okay

00:36:43.400 okay foot from um the neighborhood to the so he goes up on campus visits the the amphitheater

00:36:54.200 area the courtyard required that should be way better chat sorry and then what do we see here 0.90

00:36:57.960 i got y'all niggas man we're always gonna make the production quality very high over here 0.90

00:37:00.900 now he returns on foot back to the same vehicle and what time is he returning back to the vehicle 0.94

00:37:06.300 uh it's about 9 25 a.m so roughly one hour uh he spent outside

00:37:11.820 speed it up a little bit

00:37:24.020 okay you can see the car pulling out right here

00:37:30.900 And where's this parking structure located on campus? It's just off of Campus Drive. It's a short walk from the amphitheater.

00:37:38.300 What do we see now? That's the vehicle exiting with Mr. Robinson driving the vehicle.

00:37:51.040 Now what do we see? This is Mr. Robinson returning to the campus on foot from the neighborhood to the northeast.

00:37:56.300 You can see he's wearing the same clothing as in the previous video and he's carrying a blue backpack.

00:38:00.900 Describe the clothing.

00:38:02.280 It's a maroon-colored T-shirt with gray or olive-colored shorts and then Converse shoes.

00:38:09.800 And what time did he return to campus?

00:38:11.980 Just after 10 a.m.

00:38:13.700 And does he leave the parking structure eventually?

00:38:15.940 He does, yes.

00:38:16.780 And during this visit, do you know where he goes after he leaves the parking structure?

00:38:19.860 Yes, we were able to track his movements on campus.

00:38:21.520 He went to Chick-fil-A in the Sorensen building and purchased some food, sat and ate the food.

00:38:27.540 And where did he purchase the food from?

00:38:29.460 Chick-fil-A in the Sorensen Center.

00:38:30.440 And where is that in relation to the amphitheater or the courtyard?

00:38:35.000 It's kind of on the northeast side of the amphitheater.

00:38:37.300 It would be on the upper.

00:38:39.500 All right, it's back, Chas, so I'll come back.

00:38:41.160 What time stamp is this?

00:38:41.960 This is at 1.56.

00:38:43.340 We'll come back to this after.

00:38:44.600 The court, obviously, because the court can decide how much of this we discuss in open court,

00:38:49.720 how much we discuss at the bar, so to speak, sidebar.

00:38:55.040 There's initially a fundamental relevance problem with this 1102.

00:39:06.200 There are also, there are other issues, but I think that just to help the court parse the evidentiary issues, we should start with the relevance.

00:39:24.240 There are sub issues. There's there's also a problem under 1102, because if the court looks at the last paragraph of this 1102, guys, is the rules of evidence for the state of Utah.

00:39:34.160 You're going to hear this a million times. 1102, 1102. Every time they mention that, they're talking about rules of evidence. So you guys don't get confused.

00:39:42.740 Mr. Englehart, who is the purported author, refers to himself in the third person. So it's not clear to me who actually wrote this report.

00:39:52.840 And as Your Honor knows, 1102 says that prosecutors are not to assist witnesses in writing their own 1102 reports.

00:40:04.680 That's not my primary concern, although I think it is an important issue because that's what the rules require.

00:40:11.420 But the real question is relevance.

00:40:13.600 And I guess the question is, does the court want me to do the speaking objection?

00:40:19.480 because the court said no speaking objections should we approach sidebar how does the court

00:40:23.360 want to handle it um the people can move their exhibits into evidence when whenever they

00:40:27.880 wish um i just i i wasn't aware we were going to do it at this moment i'm ready to proceed

00:40:33.260 but the question is how the court wants to handle these objections i'm prepared to keep going in

00:40:39.280 open court but it's what the court referred to as a speaking objection no i appreciate that uh as it

00:40:45.240 relates to, well, so here's my question for you, Mr. Novak, as you're, and again, I appreciate

00:40:54.280 your discretion in highlighting that point. Do you anticipate your arguments being of

00:41:01.280 the nature that would defeat the purpose of, if the court does not admit this, that you've

00:41:13.380 already let the cat out of the bag with your argument or do you feel that you can make your

00:41:16.900 argument without compromising um what is in the 1102 so the purpose of if excluding it is still

00:41:24.560 preserved um i'll go as far as i think we can go and then we'll just see i mean i do think i don't

00:41:36.340 i am not trying to all right they're just going through some legal mumbo jumbo guys right now

00:41:40.900 And this always happens, like, before they bring the next witness on, they want to make sure that they have everything good to go so that, like, there's no issues once the witness is actually on the stand.

00:41:50.340 This happens all the time in court.

00:41:52.040 You know, before you call the witness, you want to get your ducks in a row.

00:41:54.660 Both the prosecution and the defense want to get that done so it's smooth sailing.

00:41:58.820 Obviously, in the course of this situation, the defense has been objecting to everything, complaining about hearsay or unduly suggestive or that it would hurt Tyler Robinson's ability to get a fair trial, right?

00:42:09.860 So that's kind of what's been going on for you guys.

00:42:12.800 So don't worry.

00:42:13.300 I'll, I'll interpretate all the legalese for you guys.

00:42:15.100 Cause you know, I've been in court a hundred million times, you know, for those of you

00:42:18.820 guys that are new here, I know we got a lot of people.

00:42:20.140 This is the first time you watch my stream.

00:42:21.580 If this is the first time you guys watch a live stream of mice, please give me a five

00:42:24.680 in the chat.

00:42:25.120 We got people here from Twitter, um, obviously OSS, kick rumble, YouTube, give me a five

00:42:30.440 in the chat.

00:42:30.760 This is your first time watching me on stream.

00:42:33.600 Give me a five.

00:42:36.940 Cool.

00:42:37.400 So, yeah, and I know a lot of TikTok people are all new here.

00:42:39.540 So, yeah, look, guys, I used to be a special agent with Homeland Security back in the day.

00:42:42.940 So I've been in court a million times.

00:42:44.720 This always happens, whether it's a preliminary hearing or, you know, a suppression hearing or anything like for that matter in front of a judge. 0.97

00:42:53.260 The lawyers are always going to try to get their ducks in a row before they start calling witnesses so they don't look like morons when things are actually proceeding.

00:43:00.280 Now, when it comes to this situation here, just to give you guys a summary of yesterday.

00:43:04.340 essentially what happened was they brought two main witnesses on they brought the uh they brought

00:43:11.200 a campus police officer on yesterday they brought on a police officer and then they brought on the

00:43:15.580 case agent from the uh state bureau investigation out of utah the campus police officer what he

00:43:20.880 really focused on was illustrating the layout of the campus how the campus is split up they

00:43:25.340 talked quite a bit about the low sea center the low sea center is where the shots came from

00:43:28.360 allegedly they talked a lot about um their surveillance video how the campus is structured

00:43:33.260 etc so he was kind of there to lay the foundation of the campus right after him they brought the

00:43:40.000 sbi special agent which again for you guys that don't know the sbi state bureau investigation

00:43:44.580 that is they the premier law enforcement agency for the state of utah that is their fbi equivalent

00:43:49.780 at a state level this is a state case this is not an fbi case it is not an atf case the fbi and atf

00:43:55.140 have given substantial assistance but they are not the lead this is a state case in a state

00:44:00.320 court. Very important that you guys understand this. The death penalty is on the table.

00:44:04.940 Guys, the death penalty is on the table, by the way, for this situation.

00:44:08.100 Now, this hearing, because I see a bunch of you here talking about trial this, trial that. Guys,

00:44:11.240 it's not a trial. This is a preliminary hearing. A preliminary hearing is to establish probable

00:44:16.360 cause, okay? Now, you're probably wondering, what the hell? Charlie got killed almost a year ago.

00:44:22.060 Why are we just establishing probable cause now? Well, the reason why is because obviously with a

00:44:25.580 case of this magnitude and this much public exposure, both parties want to make sure that

00:44:30.080 their T's are crossed and their I's are dotted. So I would assume both the defense and the

00:44:35.640 prosecution needed a lot of time to prepare for this preliminary hearing because obviously Tyler

00:44:40.640 Robinson's defense is going to want to have a preliminary hearing. And the reason why is because

00:44:43.740 they want to see what the government has. So the government right now, the burden is on them to

00:44:49.240 prove probable cause, but they don't want to show too much evidence. They want to still keep some

00:44:53.520 things close to the chest because this isn't the trial, right? So for the defense, their job is to

00:44:59.700 kind of go in here you know attack the evidence that they have see what they have figure out what

00:45:05.040 their strategy might be and almost like game plan for the trial okay so the defense doesn't really

00:45:10.400 lose too much by doing a preliminary hearing versus the um see someone in the chat's low 1.00

00:45:15.940 aq says a fake trial dude did you not just hear me say that this isn't a trial you fucking idiot 1.00

00:45:20.660 yo get out my chat bro i fucking hate stupid people dude holy shit man dude get it get the 1.00

00:45:25.520 fuck out here bro enjoy the shadow time to send you to the shadow realm the future is mine 1.00

00:45:32.600 fucking incredible bro dude's name is adg test get the hell out of here bro oh my god i hate 1.00

00:45:39.740 stupid people anyway so the goal for the so the prosecution has all the burden of proof they have 1.00

00:45:47.540 to prove the probable cause all the defense has to do is challenge the probable cause okay so the 0.99

00:45:55.040 defense is being the defense is getting a lot of intel right now from doing this trial or excuse 0.98

00:46:01.160 me this trial see i have the stupidity spreads um it's contagious from doing this hearing 0.98

00:46:04.960 okay so that's what's going on now are five-day preliminary hearings almost a year after the fact 0.99

00:46:13.800 a common thing hell no not at all i've testified at a million preliminary hearings dude normally

00:46:20.480 the government puts on one witness it's the case agent because he knows everything hearsay is

00:46:24.660 totally admissible because you're just establishing probable cause and the hearing is takes less than

00:46:30.060 an hour so the fact that they're doing this five days is insane give me one's in the chat if you

00:46:35.960 guys are caught up to speed give me one's in the chat now you guys should know what's going on

00:46:41.600 what happened yesterday um and where we are oh and just to finish up the sbi investigator that

00:46:47.980 came on um he was the one that testified about a bunch of the evidence that the guy as far as like

00:46:52.960 video footage goes that's what he testified a lot to yesterday is like uh interviewing people and

00:46:57.640 getting ring cameras and surveillance footage and then the first guy testified more about the

00:47:02.300 landscape of the um of the school all right you guys came to the best place for this case man

00:47:09.440 i'll tell you that right now we're gonna give the best coverage so uh let's get back into it 0.98

00:47:12.320 that should bring all of you back up to speed please idiots stay out the chat this is not a 0.99

00:47:19.200 trial you're a moron and uh let's get back to it cold expression and i'm gonna focus if i may the 0.99

00:47:27.440 court's attention on two things one is do me a favor like the video if you guys like the type 0.99

00:47:33.460 of stuff that i do you guys enjoyed that little break that i gave we're gonna do way more of this

00:47:36.800 we're gonna be on all day smash the like button for me and then double tap it on uh tiktok double

00:47:42.100 tap the thing on tiktok and then like the video on youtube okay especially you guys on youtube you 0.99

00:47:47.120 guys already know i hate youtube more than anything so you guys better like the fucking 0.99

00:47:49.740 video i'm getting off this bitch ass platform i hate youtube with a passion whose state of mind 0.99

00:47:55.900 are we talking about when or whose state of mind is the statute talking about and what aspect of 0.99

00:48:04.340 the victim targeting enhancement is being invoked here the latter is the state invoking

00:48:15.080 mr kirk's political expression and now i'm quoting the statute as the personal attribute

00:48:25.300 that the state alleges is the gateway to this uh penalty enhancement

00:48:34.080 okay they're still talking about okay uh let me also add in this too because um i had a bunch of

00:48:39.780 uh smooth brains yesterday um guys for the purposes of me covering this preliminary hearing

00:48:44.100 I'm not going to be engaging too much with the conspiracy theories

00:48:46.620 okay let's just deal with the elephant in the room right now

00:48:48.260 I know a lot of you guys love Candace Owens

00:48:50.320 I know a lot of you guys love Ian Carroll

00:48:51.780 I do too they're both friends of mine

00:48:53.540 so you know I totally understand

00:48:56.480 where some of you guys are coming I love both of them

00:48:58.020 however for the purpose of the preliminary hearing

00:49:00.560 and me like explaining

00:49:02.400 the legalese to you guys and what's going on

00:49:04.160 and analyze the evidence I'm not really going to go

00:49:06.280 too much into the conspiracy theories

00:49:08.340 because I'm focusing on

00:49:10.260 giving you guys a legal breakdown

00:49:12.220 of the criminal investigation, okay?

00:49:14.480 The official narrative, that's what this is, okay?

00:49:17.340 If you guys wanna go ahead and watch the alternative theories,

00:49:20.400 no problem with that.

00:49:21.060 I'm a big fan of challenging mainstream narratives.

00:49:24.320 We know the government lies to us all the time,

00:49:26.200 so no problem, you know what I mean?

00:49:27.720 Like I told you, I get along with both of them.

00:49:29.220 I like both of them.

00:49:30.140 I've had them both on my show, so there's no hate there.

00:49:33.620 But for the purposes of me giving you guys legal analysis

00:49:36.300 and kind of giving you guys a law enforcement perspective

00:49:38.180 of someone that used to do this,

00:49:39.860 i'm going to be focusing more on the preliminary hearing and like the fact pattern from the

00:49:45.120 official narrative okay so i'm not going to be talking about exploding microphones and massad

00:49:49.020 and israel i'm not really going to be talking about that too much because we're doing a breakdown

00:49:52.520 of this hearing okay you're free to talk about it and you know you know cover it whatever you guys

00:49:58.880 want but don't be annoying in the chest like egyptian planes it's like bro that's not what

00:50:04.900 we're focused on right now okay we're breaking down the hearing okay we're looking at the evidence

00:50:11.580 we're looking at the witnesses we're listening to the objections we're um looking at um what's

00:50:19.220 going to go down okay so anyway um but yeah look go check out he and carol and candace bro go check

00:50:26.440 out their content man you know i mean go check it out for sure i it's you know very um very

00:50:32.280 interesting stuff but let's get back to it here the court will bear with me because there's a

00:50:39.040 reason why we have these hearings in public there are various categories for a for alleging

00:50:46.780 uh i should say there are various categories of personal attributes that's the phrase the

00:50:53.500 legislature uses which um okay um another thing also a lot of you guys ask me to weigh in on the

00:51:00.920 conspiracy uh stuff right and all the different narratives here's my position on this and this

00:51:05.640 has been my position on this the entire time okay since this case first happened all right

00:51:10.100 i am waiting until all the evidence comes out okay i'm not jumping to conclusions

00:51:16.380 okay i am waiting until i have all the evidence all the surveillance footage all the testimony

00:51:23.480 everything before i make like a concrete statement of what i actually think transpired on september

00:51:28.140 10th okay so that's my official position i'm waiting till all the evidence comes out so i

00:51:33.320 can analyze it because look i kind of knew this when this first broke out that the the state and

00:51:40.860 the government is obviously not going to release everything in the beginning of the investigation

00:51:44.800 like i knew that they were just not going to do that right um and i can understand why because

00:51:50.660 from the prosecution perspective is like they don't want to reveal things early that they don't

00:51:54.340 have to. So that's why I'm watching this hearing. That's why when the trial happens, I'm going to

00:51:59.260 be watching it. And I always wait until the evidence comes out. And you guys are wondering,

00:52:04.100 Omar, why? Why not be able to jump to a conclusion right now? I'll tell you guys right now.

00:52:10.980 The year is 2025, May.

00:52:17.860 I'm in New York City, okay? At the federal courthouse for the Diddy trial, okay?

00:52:24.340 I'm there watching the testimony.

00:52:27.580 As you guys know, Diddy was accused of sex trafficking,

00:52:31.500 Rico, a bunch of really crazy charges

00:52:33.220 that would have put him in prison for the rest of his life.

00:52:35.640 Okay?

00:52:37.220 For those of you guys that don't know who Diddy is,

00:52:38.740 obviously music mogul from the early 2000s,

00:52:40.460 the guy was literally everywhere.

00:52:41.840 Okay? Huge.

00:52:43.540 I digress.

00:52:44.920 Anyway, all these allegations came out, right?

00:52:47.720 Oh, this dude is doing this, this dude is doing that,

00:52:49.520 this dude is doing this, freak-offs at parties, 0.99

00:52:52.320 you know, messing around with minors, all this shit, right? 0.98

00:52:54.340 I go to the trial and I actually listen to the testimony 0.99

00:52:56.640 from the victims themselves, okay?

00:52:59.000 The main witness was a girl named Cassie.

00:53:00.980 Those of you guys that don't know,

00:53:02.020 you know the song Me and You?

00:53:03.520 That was his main girlfriend for over a decade.

00:53:05.920 I listened to all her testimony.

00:53:07.980 And I'll tell you guys this.

00:53:09.880 What the media said versus what came out of trial

00:53:12.000 were two different things, man.

00:53:13.960 Two different things.

00:53:15.920 So, and in the federal court,

00:53:18.700 none of it was televised, obviously.

00:53:20.040 So I was there and guess what ended up happening?

00:53:22.420 the jury only convicted Diddy

00:53:25.160 of

00:53:26.100 interstate transportation of prostitutes

00:53:29.240 they couldn't convict him

00:53:30.640 on the RICO charges

00:53:32.480 they were only able to convict him on interstate transportation

00:53:35.220 of prostitutes so in other words

00:53:36.900 Diddy is doing federal prison right now guys 0.94

00:53:39.280 for watching 0.98

00:53:41.400 a dude smash his wife which is kind of fucking crazy 0.99

00:53:43.160 I ain't gonna lie 0.99

00:53:43.540 that's kind of crazy

00:53:45.180 because he flew these guys in 0.94

00:53:47.540 to smash his chick 0.95

00:53:48.960 right 0.98

00:53:51.280 That's what got him the interstate nexus

00:53:52.960 that the feds needed to prosecute him.

00:53:55.460 So, yeah, a lot of stuff came out during the trial.

00:53:58.100 Guys, like Cassie cheating on him, 0.65

00:53:59.500 Cassie, it was consensual sex most of the time,

00:54:01.340 them being on drugs, 0.94

00:54:02.580 them both beating each other up.

00:54:03.900 So much stuff came out during trial, you know?

00:54:06.300 And then a lot of the top witnesses for the government

00:54:07.960 all had personal lawsuits against Diddy

00:54:09.600 for millions of dollars.

00:54:10.860 So this hurt the credibility of all the witnesses.

00:54:12.580 So Diddy's defense team was really good, right?

00:54:16.960 You know, and make no mistake about it, 0.99

00:54:19.000 Diddy is still a degenerate pervert. 0.98

00:54:22.680 I'm not saying that. 0.99

00:54:23.800 But to say that he's a human trafficker, not really.

00:54:26.580 And the government couldn't prove their case,

00:54:28.380 and the jury didn't think so either.

00:54:29.800 So this is why it's so important to look at the evidence,

00:54:34.680 go to the trial if you can,

00:54:36.440 look at the testimony of the witnesses, right?

00:54:39.460 Because the witnesses obviously have no incentive

00:54:40.880 to cover the bad guy, right?

00:54:42.280 Or cover the person that's on trial.

00:54:44.400 and go from there and make an educated assessment

00:54:49.420 based off what you see in the trial.

00:54:50.740 So after going to the Diddy trial, bro,

00:54:53.100 I don't trust the media.

00:54:53.980 I'm like, you know what? 0.98

00:54:54.560 I might as well fucking look at the analysis myself, right? 0.98

00:54:57.620 Or go to the trial myself. 0.98

00:54:59.360 So that's how I look at it.

00:55:02.440 Let's see if this guy's still yapping.

00:55:03.680 It looks like this dude is still yapping, bro.

00:55:05.120 What's wrong?

00:55:05.720 What's this guy on, bro?

00:55:06.460 To decide whether there is evidence.

00:55:10.000 Does that make sense, guys?

00:55:10.760 Give me ones if that don't make sense for y'all.

00:55:12.080 Of the target enhancement in the way I think I've structured it.

00:55:17.980 So it's not relevant.

00:55:20.360 It's not admissible lay opinion.

00:55:22.620 It's not admissible expert opinion.

00:55:28.140 There are two aspects of Rule 403, one of which I'm prepared to talk about publicly

00:55:34.440 and one of which I think is appropriately discussed at sidebar

00:55:37.660 because it does get into undue prejudice.

00:55:42.080 The 403 here is that receiving this document into evidence is, um.

00:55:52.720 All right, we're going to go back to the surveillance footage.

00:55:54.360 This guy's still yapping.

00:55:57.280 We'll go back to the surveillance footage we were looking at before.

00:55:59.800 It's a short walk from the amphitheater.

00:56:04.140 What do we see now?

00:56:06.560 That's the vehicle exiting with Mr. Robinson driving the vehicle.

00:56:09.660 This is new never-before-seen footage here, guys

00:56:13.460 So we saw Robinson come in

00:56:18.020 He hung out for about

00:56:19.060 He got there around 8.30 and about an hour later

00:56:21.320 He's driving off

00:56:22.220 Him and the Challenger

00:56:25.140 Now what do we see?

00:56:33.260 This is Mr. Robinson

00:56:34.640 Returning to the campus on foot

00:56:36.680 From the neighborhood

00:56:38.640 To the northeast

00:56:39.480 You can see he's wearing the same clothing as in the previous video.

00:56:43.960 And he's carrying a blue backpack.

00:56:46.440 Describe the clothing.

00:56:48.400 It's a maroon-colored T-shirt with gray or olive-colored shorts and Converse shoes.

00:56:59.620 And what time did he return to campus?

00:57:02.800 Just after 10 a.m.

00:57:05.480 And does he leave the parking structure eventually?

00:57:08.840 He does, yes.

00:57:10.140 And during this visit, do you know where he goes after he leaves the parking structure?

00:57:14.700 Yes, we were able to track his movements on campus.

00:57:17.180 He went to Chick-fil-A in the Sorenson Building and purchased some food, sat and ate the food.

00:57:26.180 And where did he purchase the food from?

00:57:29.120 Chick-fil-A in the Sorenson Center.

00:57:31.120 And where is that in relation to the amphitheater or the courtyard?

00:57:36.180 It's kind of on the northeast side of the amphitheater.

00:57:40.180 It would be on the upper

00:57:44.180 back edge of the amphitheater, furthest away from where the tent was that Mr. Koch

00:57:48.180 was in. And from there, where does he go? From there, he

00:57:52.180 moves across campus, out across Campus Drive

00:57:56.180 into a wooded area on what would be kind of the

00:58:00.180 northeast side of Campus Drive. Then

00:58:04.180 returns back onto campus. We noticed at this point he's no longer carrying the

00:58:09.820 backpack that he was originally wearing. He moves through the Gunther building

00:58:14.320 and the computer science building and then I'm sorry and then goes where?

00:58:20.080 Then goes across to the the railing that gives access to the roof of the

00:58:26.780 Loci building. From there? From there he comes back down the stairs and walks

00:58:34.060 off campus from that point and and about what time was that that he left campus

00:58:39.220 that that second time do you know I believe it was approximately 11 a.m. or

00:58:45.160 just after if I recall I could verify from my notes if you need an exact time

00:58:49.540 yeah if you don't mind that'll help you remember refer to it don't read it out

00:58:56.440 loud so you know you've had a chance to look at that would you

00:59:04.060 I'm sorry in relation to the LDS Institute building on campus

00:59:16.840 I'm sorry in relation to the LDS Institute building on campus

00:59:22.020 I think it would be just to the north of the LDS Institute building if I recall

00:59:32.300 Do you recall whether it was adjacent to the LDS Institute?

00:59:34.960 Yes, it is.

00:59:35.680 Okay.

00:59:36.160 Understood.

00:59:36.920 All right.

00:59:37.840 Mr. McBride.

00:59:38.960 What do we...

00:59:39.920 It looks like he's fine.

00:59:42.040 Then he happened.

00:59:47.120 Your Honor, the evidence is relevant to two points.

00:59:51.220 One is to the defendant's motive, which is not an element of the defense,

00:59:57.320 but nonetheless is powerful evidence, persuasive evidence.

01:00:01.300 and two it is relevant to the victim targeting enhancement which has been described and appears

01:00:06.900 in the information um okay i think i think the government wants to introduce the comments he

01:00:12.860 made about charlie kirk being like a hateful and a bigot and the defense is obviously trying to

01:00:17.600 remove it and say hey why is this relevant um and the prosecution is trying to get it in right now

01:00:21.940 so this is what i think they're fighting over but we'll see the statement clarifies what what

01:00:27.980 What Turning Point USA, what Charlie Kirk's business was.

01:00:33.540 And I think as you read this statement, it's clear that Charlie Kirk presented both religious

01:00:46.800 and political arguments and positions in his presentations.

01:00:52.920 And that is what paragraph three says, that he engaged others in debate, discussion of traditional family values, Orthodox Christian views on sexuality, marriage, gender, sex, America's founding principles, political doctrines, and so forth.

01:01:11.700 He often spoke specifically and attempted to persuade attendees to follow a mindset rooted in orthodox Christian and politically conservative values.

01:01:23.220 Excuse me, Your Honor, can I lodge an objection to Mr. McBride reading the exhibit, which we are discussing the admissibility of?

01:01:31.040 And I'd ask the court to strike his statements and admonish him.

01:01:38.240 Right, so, oh man.

01:01:42.400 As it relates to reading from the actual 1102, because it's not admitted into evidence,

01:01:48.200 I will, well, before I do that, let me turn to you about the objection to make sure that you are heard as well.

01:01:55.000 Yes, Rule 104 requires the court to consider evidence before determining its admissibility.

01:02:02.100 I'm going to explain all this to you guys here in a second.

01:02:04.000 I just want to make sure I take this all in so I can translate the legalese for you ninjas.

01:02:08.200 How can you determine whether an exhibit is admissible without knowing what is contained in that exhibit?

01:02:14.620 That's what I'm putting in front of your honor is explaining this is why the exhibit is admissible,

01:02:19.900 because it contains this language that is relevant and probative.

01:02:24.460 I don't know how I can make an argument that something's relevant and probative without saying this is what the exhibit says.

01:02:29.840 Well, Mr. Novak, and I want to make sure you're, I do see you have a microphone. Go ahead.

01:02:37.520 Your Honor is not a jury.

01:02:41.600 Your Honor can look at the exhibit

01:02:43.120 and determine for itself whether it's relevant,

01:02:49.300 whether it meets other criteria for admissibility.

01:02:52.220 It's not necessary for Mr. McBride

01:02:54.540 to read aloud in open court

01:02:56.840 an exhibit which the court has available to it.

01:03:02.200 I'm not saying that the court shouldn't read it.

01:03:04.420 I'm saying that it's not admissible.

01:03:05.620 yo your boy Tyler Robinson got like four lawyers guys look one this is the lead lawyer this guy's

01:03:12.080 over here arguing this dude is probably an attorney as well I understand that the court

01:03:17.280 has two roles one under 104 and this one has obviously two or three prosecutors as well so

01:03:21.920 they're they're they're finding out and one is the magistrate but that doesn't require Mr.

01:03:26.920 McBride to read in open court the exhibit which we are discussing the admissibility of especially

01:03:34.060 where I have just

01:03:35.660 expressed our concern that the

01:03:38.040 exhibit has a tendency

01:03:40.020 to

01:03:41.680 infuse the issues in this

01:03:46.180 case and

01:03:47.900 create fair trial risks for Mr. Robinson.

01:03:50.920 All right. Thank you, Mr. Novak.

01:03:52.080 Any final thoughts before I

01:03:53.980 rule on this specific issue

01:03:55.540 about reading from the 1102

01:03:57.720 by Mr. McBride?

01:03:59.940 Yes, Your Honor. I have to be able

01:04:02.020 to argue here. I have to be able to refer

01:04:03.980 to the exhibits. I can't do my job as an attorney without being able to refer to the exhibits.

01:04:09.860 If the court doesn't want this to be in public, then we've got to close this proceeding. But I

01:04:14.020 have to be able to argue the exhibits. I don't know how I can make an argument without actually

01:04:17.500 pointing to the language of the exhibits unless I want to say, you know what I mean? Or referring

01:04:22.620 to line 13. It's just so cumbersome to do, Your Honor. And I think my job and my duty to my client,

01:04:30.620 which is the state of Utah, and to their right, to fairness, requires me to make a good and powerful argument,

01:04:37.700 and that requires me to refer to the exhibit, and I'll submit it with that.

01:04:42.600 All right. Thank you to both of you in looking at this.

01:04:46.340 Typically, in court, when evidence is being taken, until it's admitted, it doesn't come in.

01:04:56.300 For example, if there's a witness on the stand and one is trying to get a piece of evidence in,

01:05:01.940 that witness cannot read from the document prior to it being admitted into evidence.

01:05:08.280 And so the court applies that same principle here.

01:05:10.800 However, the difference is, and noting that Mr. Novak was drawing points from this specifically,

01:05:18.300 He mentioned Matthew, I believe, chapter 19, in talking about certain points in here specifically.

01:05:27.060 There is room for it to be mentioned in argument in order for the court to fully consider what's before it.

01:05:34.780 So I'm going to sustain Mr. Novak's objection and simply say,

01:05:41.000 if you want to talk about it conceptually, talk about the points, you certainly may,

01:05:45.740 but simply reading from it exactly, saying, and I understand, I don't want to constrain either party from being able to make their full argument,

01:05:56.320 but quoting from it in open court, I fear, does risk issues to the constitutional rights of the parties.

01:06:05.120 If the parties prefer to go into a closed evidentiary hearing on this issue in order to be unrestrained,

01:06:12.180 and it appears Mr. Novak has requested that for a second portion of his argument,

01:06:17.000 we certainly can do so because I do not want to put out evidence that is not admitted in open court

01:06:26.360 until the appropriate time, until the court has gone through its decision-making process

01:06:32.700 on whether it should be admitted or not.

01:06:35.240 So to the parties, if you feel you can move forward on this first portion of it,

01:06:40.040 I'm happy to entertain that argument

01:06:42.340 if the parties feel at this point

01:06:44.840 at this juncture that a closed

01:06:46.700 evidentiary hearing is needed

01:06:48.540 in order to fully explore

01:06:50.140 okay, translation 0.96

01:06:52.360 what the fuck is going on here? So clearly there's 0.97

01:06:54.560 something that the prosecution has

01:06:55.940 that they want to get in from which

01:06:58.500 they can refer to and read

01:07:00.080 in court. The defense is saying

01:07:02.580 no, we don't want you to

01:07:04.500 be able to read that thing in court

01:07:06.440 because it's going to be highly suggestive

01:07:08.300 And this isn't a jury trial. That's not fair. And it's going to hurt Tyler Roberts's ability to get a fair trial later on.

01:07:13.680 You can only refer to it in concept, which means the prosecutor can refer to it somewhat, but you can't necessarily read from it as the basis of what you're doing. 0.99

01:07:23.840 The prosecutor is saying, what the fuck? This is going to be cumbersome. It's weird for me to do that. 0.97

01:07:28.920 For it to make sense, I need to be able to refer to it. And he was saying it's probative, right, which means to test or demonstrate or prove something.

01:07:36.120 And the defense is saying, no, I don't want that in open court.

01:07:38.720 So the lawyers, the judge basically saying here, I'm going to go with the defense.

01:07:42.940 You can't refer to it verbatim and read from it exactly, but you can refer to it when you're asking questions.

01:07:49.400 So that's kind of what's going on here.

01:07:51.220 Now, I want to know exactly what they're talking about, but that's what they're arguing right now, Chad.

01:07:54.600 Give me one that makes sense.

01:07:56.260 All the issues, I will leave it to the parties because I don't know your arguments.

01:08:00.760 And I don't want to, say, constrain you from saying, well, I don't know what you're going to say, but I can't read your minds.

01:08:09.260 And the court will stay in its lane to ensure that it's in the proper judicial role.

01:08:14.060 So the objection has been sustained.

01:08:17.640 Yeah, the defense is going to fight everything, dude.

01:08:19.640 And they've won a few times with keeping things out.

01:08:22.960 Obviously, this isn't a full trial.

01:08:24.200 This is just a preliminary hearing.

01:08:25.300 Mr. McBride, in regards to your response, the rebuttal to the argument by Mr. Novak, what is your request?

01:08:32.820 Yes, Your Honor. I do not believe it's necessary to close this hearing.

01:08:36.480 I would argue against closing the hearing on the admissibility of this exhibit.

01:08:40.280 However, the court needs to rule on that issue before I launch into the fullness of my argument

01:08:46.840 because I do not want to be admonished for discussing an item that I'm asking to be admitted into evidence in public.

01:08:54.440 So I would ask the court to make a ruling on the closure of the argument about the admissibility of this hearing

01:09:00.480 so that I can make that argument unconstrained.

01:09:03.780 And after that time, if the court rules on that, I will make my full argument.

01:09:09.640 All right.

01:09:10.240 Well, what I'm trying to do is you've heard the reasoning of the court.

01:09:17.100 I don't want to constrain you.

01:09:18.420 If you're saying, as you stated, that you want to best represent your client,

01:09:21.700 and every attorney should be doing that.

01:09:23.800 That is your duty.

01:09:25.380 I don't want, if you feel that closing this hearing

01:09:29.340 to the public is necessary in order for you

01:09:32.700 to fulfill your duty, the court will entertain that.

01:09:35.880 But I can't have it both ways.

01:09:38.600 If you want me to close the hearing

01:09:40.700 in order for you to be fully,

01:09:42.960 be able to argue freely as you feel you need to,

01:09:46.780 I will entertain that.

01:09:47.840 But I don't want to say,

01:09:49.140 well, I'm not going to close the hearing

01:09:51.000 and then suddenly the issue is, well, I wasn't able to make a full argument.

01:09:55.900 So do you need a closed hearing to make a full argument to best represent your client?

01:10:01.240 I think defense counsel is asking to close the hearing

01:10:03.820 so that the argument can be made without the public seeing it.

01:10:07.480 I do not want to close the hearing.

01:10:09.060 I do not believe it's necessary to close the hearing.

01:10:11.300 That's not my motion.

01:10:12.520 I do, however, want to make a full argument that requires me to rely on the evidence

01:10:16.220 and quote the evidence as I have done.

01:10:19.540 That's my position.

01:10:20.440 If I am not permitted to quote the evidence in my argument.

01:10:24.940 And that's exactly what the defense is trying to prevent it from.

01:10:27.040 We don't want you quoting the evidence.

01:10:28.340 We want you to kind of refer to it here and there.

01:10:30.660 Then we need to decide whether or not this hearing should be closed.

01:10:33.520 I would oppose closing it, but I do think it's necessary for me to quote the evidence.

01:10:36.640 And the defense is saying, if you're going to let the prosecutor refer to everything like that, it needs to be closed.

01:10:41.340 So our client doesn't get railroaded in the process.

01:10:44.540 And the defense is saying that.

01:10:45.720 All right.

01:10:46.880 are you able to make your full argument to the best of your ability to best represent your client

01:10:53.080 by simply referring to the paragraphs and to the lines so it is clear to the court what you're

01:10:59.240 talking about there's no ambiguity without quoting it verbatim in open court okay so the

01:11:06.340 judge is trying to come a middle ground here how about you refer to the paragraph in the line

01:11:09.860 specifically people can read on their own but you just don't say it in open court

01:11:13.420 Hey, nice middle ground by the judge offer right there.

01:11:27.400 No, I don't think so.

01:11:29.260 All right.

01:11:31.800 Your Honor, if you're going to make a closer ruling, I'd like to refer to you.

01:11:36.700 All right. I'll hear from you as well.

01:11:38.940 If you would like to come forward, again, Mr. Reimer, just stating your full name for the record, for the clarity of the record.

01:11:46.000 Sure, thank you, Your Honor.

01:11:46.880 David Reimer, again, for the news media.

01:11:49.520 We have briefed this issue a couple different times so far.

01:11:53.320 Sometimes there is a misconception that I think is running, particularly through what Mr. Novak argued,

01:12:00.320 that suppression hearings, because the evidence may be suppressed or excluded or eliminate hearings,

01:12:06.860 need to be closed unless the evidence is deemed admissible that is the opposite of the law

01:12:12.320 that has been settled since the united states supreme court decided waller versus georgia

01:12:17.360 you can see it in kern's tribune which dealt with a preliminary okay so this guy's arguing

01:12:22.880 on behalf of the press saying hey you guys better not fucking close this thing

01:12:25.620 okay i'm translating his legalese for you guys right now he's come in and citing you know case 0.91

01:12:32.300 law hey we got all these reporters in here you better not close this trial buddy all right you

01:12:39.040 better not not try excuse me you better not close this hearing hearing and access to a preliminary

01:12:44.280 hearing where as you know and as we've heard repeatedly today all kinds of evidence is

01:12:50.500 presented at the preliminary hearing it may not be admissible at trial and so the public's the

01:12:56.300 universe of the public's right of access to proceedings is not limited just to what eventually

01:13:02.940 gets admitted at trial, which, you know, if there even is a trial. And that's been, we've cited the

01:13:10.940 court to, you know, numerous cases on this, and I don't have the brief in front of me, and there's

01:13:15.140 the docket is huge, and I can find it for you if you'd like. But I just wanted to correct the

01:13:20.500 misimpression that the public is not entitled to hear argument and to see evidence just because it

01:13:28.400 may not be admissible. Otherwise we would never have admissibility arguments in public. And I do

01:13:34.800 want to just, I'll just make one other point. Currents Tribune also speaks to this. And that

01:13:41.580 is that if you are, if you do decide that there's a, and so let me just make two quick points.

01:13:48.700 to the 403 point just because evidence isn't admissible is not a basis to close the hearing

01:13:56.500 there may be a 403 argument i haven't seen this document i don't know what's in it

01:14:00.700 maybe there is something incredibly prejudicial you would have to make that decision i'm at a

01:14:06.620 loss i haven't seen well i'll tell you this whatever whatever the prosecution is trying 0.90

01:14:10.540 to bring in right now the defense is saying fuck no it's probably very damaging 0.93

01:14:17.700 it's probably very very damaging because they are i'll tell y'all right now they are fighting 0.98

01:14:24.880 like hell to keep this thing out in a preliminary hearing the defenses at least

01:14:30.340 i'm happy to take a look at it and give you substantive argument but it's the same

01:14:35.980 high constitutional standard that you have to satisfy in order to close it um and then the

01:14:42.180 last thing is just on the scope of any closure current's tribune hey w mans bro he's making

01:14:46.720 sure that we still have access to hearing the w man's guys he's arguing right now saying you guys

01:14:52.720 don't close it and i know the court is aware of this um in turn if you are going to close it it

01:14:59.500 needs to be um as minimal as possible and it's my experience at least that most of the argument

01:15:07.680 about and you can tell the judge doesn't want to close it either that's why he gave the prosecutor

01:15:11.400 that middle ground things in this context can occur in open court and if you want to have you

01:15:18.700 know a closed session or a sidebar or however you have to also so basically this was going on

01:15:23.220 prosecution wants to make the argument they don't care how they how how it happens if they got to

01:15:27.080 close the court or not they don't care they prefer it to not be closed but they want to make the

01:15:30.140 argument defense is saying well if you're going to make that argument prosecution it has to be

01:15:35.660 closed so that's kind of the the battle that we're gonna got going on here the judge is trying to

01:15:40.280 find the middle ground and then this guy who's representing like the media saying he's basically

01:15:44.040 saying like yo this does not rise to level where it needs to be closed this is bs so this is what's

01:15:49.040 going on right now guys in this uh legalese i hope that kind of demystifies it for you guys

01:15:54.060 so done it in chambers give me fives in the chat this all makes sense to you now you should know

01:15:58.600 what every party is trying to argue for i just ask that it be as limited as as possible thank you

01:16:05.140 Thank you. All right, Mr. Novak, it appears like would you like to respond to that before?

01:16:11.600 All right, here comes the defense, a.k.a. Novak.

01:16:14.320 I'll return to Mr. McBride for any final thoughts.

01:16:17.340 I'm going to call this like a buzzkill from now on.

01:16:19.140 We'll make it strong.

01:16:19.860 Well, I just wanted to mention the Utah Supreme Court decision in state versus Archuleta, 857 P. 2nd, 234, where this state's Supreme Court reminds us that the First Amendment right of access is qualified.

01:16:41.140 I don't know what the evidence is, guys, that they're trying to keep out. I don't know.

01:16:45.480 But whatever it is, it's damaging to the defense.

01:16:48.140 And that what needs to be carefully judged in light of the qualified right of access with respect to preliminary hearing exhibits, that was the issue in State v. Archuleta, is the defendant's right to a fair trial.

01:17:05.860 So we're in this slightly twilight zone situation where counsel for the media is saying, even if the court has decided that the exhibits are not going to be made available for copying and inspection,

01:17:26.500 and the court may decide that this exhibit is either not admissible

01:17:31.620 or admissible for the court's eyes only,

01:17:36.400 counsel for the media is counseling that the court permit Mr. McBride

01:17:41.580 to read the exhibit verbatim in open court.

01:17:44.620 And that basically defeats all of those principles.

01:17:49.420 So I don't think that's the correct path.

01:17:51.540 counsel for the media is correct

01:17:54.680 that the court's

01:17:56.200 sealing or closure should be

01:17:59.020 narrowly tailored and the

01:18:00.880 403 issue which we are prepared only

01:18:02.920 to discuss

01:18:03.740 because of the

01:18:06.560 sequencing of things

01:18:08.820 in this case

01:18:09.680 in this proceeding

01:18:11.660 we're only prepared to discuss at sidebar

01:18:14.680 has to do with potential future

01:18:16.680 evidence that the court may receive in this hearing

01:18:18.920 or it may not

01:18:20.300 so i'm not going to to address other 403 issues uh in open court if the court wants to defer this

01:18:29.960 entire exhibit and discussion of it until later in the proceeding then um it may be that that

01:18:37.000 part of the 403 argument doesn't need to be all right translation he's arguing and he was referring

01:18:43.640 to a case law that's the case he referred to when he first got back up there he's saying

01:18:47.300 teller robbins's right to a fair trial overrides the press attorney and the prosecutions want

01:18:54.480 um and i guess their legal justification to present their evidence that's what he's arguing

01:19:00.040 right now just to sum it up for you guys in a simple sentence at sidebar and i i think we're

01:19:05.960 all assuming that sidebar proceedings in this preliminary hearing are going to be part of the

01:19:12.080 sealed transcript until some later point in time in other words it's not because remember

01:19:16.380 you're innocent until proven guilty right and you're supposed to get a fair trial so that's

01:19:20.740 what he's arguing is that tyler robinson's ability to get a fair trial is going to be um infringed

01:19:25.380 upon if this happens and he's basically saying look i know the press attorney has his like his

01:19:31.120 thing but like who cares like our clients um rights shall not be violated that's what he's

01:19:37.060 trying to say not sidebar just for the moment it's because the transcript is going to be sealed

01:19:42.860 So it very well may be that taking this issue up at a later point in time in this proceeding eliminates the need, from our perspective, for that 403 issue to be discussed at sidebar or what counsel for the media says in a closed proceeding.

01:20:01.560 However, I agree with the court that Mr. McBride can't have his cake and eat it too.

01:20:06.480 If he wants to make his argument and he thinks that his argument requires that he read an exhibit in court,

01:20:12.540 which we in good faith are saying is not admissible, that we need to have a closed proceeding.

01:20:18.740 I'm not asking for a closed proceeding.

01:20:20.500 I was asking the court to caution Mr. McBride not to read into evidence exhibits that are not received into evidence

01:20:28.160 because that's the same as Mr. McBride testifying.

01:20:31.060 All right. Thank you.

01:20:37.680 Anything?

01:20:38.160 I'm not going to lie. All three parties made really good arguments, guys.

01:20:40.700 I'm not going to lie. All three made really good arguments.

01:20:43.740 Further, Mr. McBride?

01:20:46.900 Just a note, I have not made my full argument on admissibility. That's all.

01:20:51.120 All right.

01:20:53.620 All right. I appreciate the arguments by the parties.

01:20:56.560 This is clearly something that's very important to you all.

01:20:59.640 Yeah, you got prosecution fighting with the media attorney, fighting with the defense right now.

01:21:05.540 Very interesting.

01:21:06.860 Someone said I got to simplify it more for the chat.

01:21:09.120 I think I'm simplifying it enough for you guys.

01:21:10.880 I don't think you guys are that slow where I got to dumb it down to baby level, but I think you guys get it.

01:21:14.940 It is important for this case, as is every piece of potential evidence.

01:21:19.580 I note that Mr. Novak indicated that receiving this could create confusion for future potential jurors.

01:21:38.220 And that he mentioned that it could suggest to a potential jury pool that this case is about religion.

01:21:46.760 However, what is happening at a preliminary hearing is far different than what happens at a jury trial.

01:21:54.160 The magistrate, myself, is the fact finder.

01:21:57.660 And whether something becomes admissible at trial is far different than what is admissible at a preliminary hearing.

01:22:06.240 The purposes are different. The standards are different.

01:22:10.240 And preliminary hearing, guys, probable cause jury trial beyond a reasonable doubt.

01:22:15.640 If we're going to quantify that in numbers, probable cause, 30% out of 100.

01:22:21.460 Beyond a reasonable doubt, 90% out of 100.

01:22:24.740 Okay?

01:22:25.160 Just to kind of give you guys an idea of, like, the vast difference in proof requirements.

01:22:32.620 Different steps need to be followed.

01:22:34.880 Something could become admissible at a jury trial, but given the nature of a jury trial, more steps are necessary.

01:22:43.680 Under Rule 1102, one of the major differences is that—

01:22:47.620 It's not really 20%, but do you guys understand what I'm saying?

01:22:50.040 Like, it's a way lower number.

01:22:52.360 Public cause is way less than beyond unreasonable doubt.

01:22:54.660 That's my point I'm trying to illustrate here.

01:22:57.200 Reliable hearsay is allowed in a preliminary hearing under the Utah—

01:23:01.940 Versus hearsay is not allowed in a trial.

01:23:05.640 Constitution, and under the Rules of Evidence 1102,

01:23:08.960 that is far different than what would happen at a jury trial.

01:23:14.740 Taking this into consideration, I look to the information going to the very beginning,

01:23:21.600 whether this is relevant.

01:23:24.500 And as noted by counsel, I'm looking to count one.

01:23:29.300 Adio Hayner, thank you.

01:23:30.260 Which is squarely before the court to determine probable cause at the end of this proceeding.

01:23:35.760 and the court is not weighing in whether it will reach that or not it's not predetermining anything

01:23:42.580 but it what is before this court under count one aggravated murder which is a capital offense

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01:24:21.960 tyler james robinson intentionally selected charlie kirk because of tyler james robinson

01:24:28.880 belief or perception regarding charlie kirk's political expression

01:24:33.280 and so if that was not here this this enhancement and it also goes to

01:24:45.220 count two felony discharge of a firearm causing serious so the prosecution wants to show that

01:24:51.560 tyler robinson targeted charlie kirk because of his conservative values and conservative views

01:24:56.200 when it comes to family, religion, culture, etc.

01:24:59.800 The defense does not want that to come in because they look at it like,

01:25:02.440 hey, that's kind of, you know, you're making things biased 0.95

01:25:05.160 because what you're trying to illustrate is my guy just kills Christians, 0.89

01:25:07.940 which if a jury were to come in later, that could be used, 0.96

01:25:10.760 that would make him look bad.

01:25:11.840 Does that make sense, Chad?

01:25:12.760 That's why the defense is fighting so hard to say,

01:25:15.120 no, we don't want that to come in because we don't want it to look like

01:25:17.860 our client killed Charlie because he's a Christian,

01:25:22.200 which can hurt them later on when they're doing their jury pools.

01:25:25.420 Okay, that's kind of what's going on here.

01:25:28.620 That's why they're fighting this so hard.

01:25:31.580 Even though we all know, right, from what we've seen with the evidence,

01:25:35.900 you know, with the text message and everything else like this, allegedly, right,

01:25:38.480 according to official narrative, of course.

01:25:39.920 Remember, we're covering the official narrative in this thing. 0.99

01:25:42.980 Then he said, Charlie Kirk is a bigot, he's a transphobe, he's racist, blah, blah, blah. 0.98

01:25:47.940 He said all this stuff about him to justify attacking him. 0.93

01:25:52.680 So the defense does not want that to come in.

01:25:54.680 bodily injury.

01:25:57.260 But the prosecution is saying we do need it to come in

01:25:59.620 because it's extremely relative to why he did the crime.

01:26:11.260 And I'm just reviewing.

01:26:13.020 And then finally, count seven,

01:26:14.580 violent offense committed in the presence of a child

01:26:17.120 where the victim targeting enhancement also is in play.

01:26:24.680 Because that is part of the information, that's squarely before the court, this becomes relevant.

01:26:31.300 Now, trying to determine what is political expression versus religious expression,

01:26:38.160 that goes into different grounds.

01:26:41.260 But at this point, the court finds it is relevant for consideration,

01:26:46.200 and for the very least for argument.

01:26:48.280 What the court is going to rule is that the need for a closed hearing has not been met at this point

01:26:56.360 Because what needs to be shown is prejudice

01:26:58.900 Or that the exhibit contains inflammatory information that would prejudice the jury pool

01:27:07.040 That begins the path where we can consider closing the hearing

01:27:11.340 And that's what their biggest fear is, is poisoning the jury pool

01:27:14.980 That's what they're terrified of

01:27:18.280 Could you imagine, like, the frame is out there that, like, Tyler Robinson hates Christians or whatever, and that's, like, what they're going with with the jury pool?

01:27:24.740 That's why they're terrified.

01:27:26.520 The public.

01:27:27.800 However, that's not what's before the court, nor has the court heard that.

01:27:32.160 And so the ruling of the court is previously I sustained Mr. Novak's objection, and the court will expound upon that, that Mr. McBride, in his argument, cannot read the entirety of State's Exhibit 5.1.

01:27:48.280 Can he reference points of it and specifically quote certain points?

01:27:53.340 The court rules that he can, just as Mr. Novak pulled from this, and it was broad, but he quoted Matthew chapter 19.

01:28:03.280 He stated that this came from the Bible.

01:28:05.940 He talked about going from paragraph 1 where he quoted, or at least drew from, about the internal revenue service and the type of business.

01:28:18.140 And so there is grounds for that to occur in order for the court to consider the argument fully

01:28:24.480 and making the determination whether it is relevant and should be admissible.

01:28:29.140 Therefore, the court rules that Mr. McBride can continue in his arguments

01:28:32.640 in order that the court can make its determination whether State's Exhibit 5.1 is admissible or not.

01:28:48.140 Thank you. 5.1 is a general explanation of what Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk's organization, is and was on September 10th.

01:29:02.600 The exhibit describes the events that Turning Point USA holds,

01:29:10.000 talking about at least 200-plus of these events featuring Charlie Kirk as a headline speaker had taken place by that time.

01:29:16.260 that's in paragraph three that these events discussed ish political issues as well as

01:29:22.840 religious issues most political issues in the portion i previously all right before you guys

01:29:27.620 ask yes this is mango okay and i got a bag of uh protein chips here okay so i stay nice and

01:29:35.820 slim and in shape you know i'm saying i never become a gordito for like some of you taco consumers

01:29:39.700 and i also got a protein shake as well i just got done working out right before i jumped on stream

01:29:47.580 so quoted talked about because i already know you guys are going to ask a million times in chat

01:29:51.840 um gender issues in particular gender uh uh sexuality issues the difference are the

01:30:00.100 the christian and political view regarding marriage and families and gender identity

01:30:07.540 And that information is relevant to the motive that we are alleging in this case.

01:30:18.340 And it's also relevant to the victim targeting enhancement, which is in part a motive type enhancement.

01:30:27.540 And the evidence will be introduced through, or we will offer evidence through other witnesses that talks about some of the defendant's statements

01:30:35.460 that indicate his gender persuasion

01:30:41.320 and that he falls into some of these political and gender views

01:30:46.040 that Charlie Kirk argued against.

01:30:50.080 That's the relevance.

01:30:52.180 We all know what those were.

01:30:54.300 Okay, we all know what that was.

01:30:56.460 Dude was dating one of the alphabet people. 0.99

01:30:59.960 Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay. 0.96

01:31:02.220 of this statement is it shows charlie kirk publicly um in front of large you guys are 0.66

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01:31:25.940 you guys are shocked wait my iron's doing a legal analysis covering a case yes i do i can do it all

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01:31:57.960 ...of people debated and presented...

01:32:01.360 For the YouTube viewers only.

01:32:02.620 ...presented his views, his political views,

01:32:05.020 which were tied to his religious views

01:32:06.940 about gender identity, LGBTQ rights-type issues.

01:32:12.120 And the relevance to that is the defendant's motive

01:32:15.800 is that he was on the other side of those views.

01:32:20.240 and you will see evidence that talks about that through other witnesses

01:32:30.200 that talks about that being the inference and the motive that he had

01:32:36.160 or the inference from that evidence supports that motive

01:32:40.840 which supports the victim targeting enhancement

01:32:43.020 and frankly motive in general which goes to identity

01:32:47.040 for that reason your honor this this exhibit is relevant um i don't see the prejudicial

01:32:59.740 effect unfair prejudicial effect this would have on the fact finder whether or not it has

01:33:05.900 you know some capability of prejudicing the potential jury pool i think that's yeah we're

01:33:11.460 on tiktok so i gotta just do sound effects bro i gotta keep us somewhat clean so it's

01:33:16.420 completely different question. I don't think it does. I think this case has already highlighted

01:33:26.420 the political issues that we're talking about here, but my job here is to present this case

01:33:35.100 to the court, to you, Your Honor, for you to make a decision. This evidence is admissible for that

01:33:41.080 purpose whether or not it's public for the for the uh or published for the public to see is a

01:33:48.460 different question which i'll submit the the media is very capably represented and i'll let them make

01:33:56.120 the argument on that point but i would ask the court to admit this exhibit mr novak all right

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01:34:33.360 let's go stream is going down we're going to see what the defense has to respond to that

01:34:37.880 Thank you, Your Honor.

01:34:49.660 For the state to argue that this exhibit says anything about Mr. Robinson's state of mind

01:34:57.140 should be rejected out of hand.

01:34:59.140 This exhibit does not say anything about Mr. Robinson's state of mind.

01:35:02.640 And that's what motive is, and that's what the victim targeting enhancement adopted by the legislature focuses on, is the defendant's perception.

01:35:14.020 If Mr. McBride wants to propose significant redactions to this exhibit so that Your Honor, acting as a magistrate, can consider things that are narrowly tailored to what the information alleges,

01:35:36.020 alleges, which is the allegation is that Mr. Robinson perceived that Mr. Kirk had certain political views.

01:35:46.800 That's one thing.

01:35:48.040 But this document talks, and now Mr. McBride, not to be colloquial, has sort of thrown down the gauntlet.

01:35:55.680 This document talks about foreign affairs, political doctrines, America's founding principles, cultural trends, and what Mr. Englehart refers to as Orthodox Christian views on sexuality, marriage, and gender slash sex.

01:36:22.140 So this document goes way beyond what the state just flagged for the entire world is their view of Mr. Robinson's motive, which has something to do with gender identity, gender ideology, and sexuality.

01:36:44.740 That's what Mr. McBride has just said this case is all about.

01:36:49.880 This document goes way beyond that, and that's why it's not admissible.

01:36:58.420 There may, as I said, be other evidence which Mr. McBride and the state want to rely upon,

01:37:05.800 which they haven't presented yet, and Mr. McBride hinted at that.

01:37:09.220 So I think that it's not admissible at this point in time.

01:37:14.480 um i don't think it's it's um relevant uh in the sense of has a tendency to make a fact of

01:37:26.780 consequence okay so it doesn't just cover like you know his sexual preferences

01:37:30.900 it's like it's almost like this document covers a like a lot of tyler robinson's um political

01:37:37.980 view so that's what they don't like so it goes beyond just the um allegations it's more or less

01:37:48.860 true that's the definition of relevance so how does this court go from what the state has to

01:37:54.860 establish which is motive or mr well actually the state doesn't have to establish motive motive is

01:38:01.420 not an element of the offense but at least with respect to the victim enhancement according to

01:38:06.100 legislature the question is what is in mr robinson's state of mind um the other thing i want

01:38:12.140 to say is that mr mcbride did not address the admissibility of these opinions now the court

01:38:19.060 talked about 1102 but 1102 doesn't resolve all of the other rules of evidence it's just a gateway

01:38:25.800 for an affidavit his defense is making a lot of good arguments man um i don't know i don't know

01:38:33.940 how tyler got like the money to get these guys they might have taken like this they might have

01:38:37.800 taken this case at a lower rate um just because of all the like um media coverage that this case

01:38:43.540 is going to get so in itself they're going to be advertised so what we have in this document

01:38:50.300 they're fighting a lot for a preliminary hearing dude but hey it's good stuff oh it's pro bono chat

01:38:55.400 it's actually pro bono i would be surprised dude when you get a case this big they will take your

01:39:02.740 pro bono because the exposure pays for it the exposure itself is going to bring an enormous

01:39:08.780 amount of business their way are what i think are purport to be yes uh that pro bono means free

01:39:17.700 pro bono means free guys untested expert opinions or at least lay opinions and the question is

01:39:27.080 under the rules of evidence is whether this document is helpful to the court.

01:39:33.200 I'm going to double check that, guys, because that's crazy if this is actually pro bono.

01:39:37.300 When it makes a determination about whether Mr. Robinson perceived that Mr. Kirk had certain

01:39:45.600 political views. So where is the evidence that Mr. Robinson in this document, that Mr. Robinson

01:39:51.680 was aware of Mr. Kirk's political views.

01:39:55.300 Where is the evidence in this document

01:39:57.220 that Mr. Robinson had

01:40:00.240 disagreement with Mr. Kirk's political expression?

01:40:10.460 None of that appears in this document.

01:40:12.520 There may be other evidence

01:40:13.700 of that we'll have to see,

01:40:18.980 but there's nothing in this document

01:40:21.200 which connects up with Mr. Robinson's state of mind,

01:40:25.480 which is the question in the enhancement.

01:40:28.080 And Mr. Englehart cannot, of course,

01:40:32.360 express any opinion about Mr. Robinson's state of mind

01:40:35.260 because he doesn't know him

01:40:36.400 and because that would be improper opinion evidence

01:40:39.560 under any rule of law.

01:40:42.120 So for a document to be received into evidence

01:40:45.740 that quotes one very narrow piece of religious doctrine and that involves...

01:40:58.200 Okay, so I just double-checked it.

01:41:00.460 No, so pro bono, yes and no.

01:41:04.340 Their coin-appointed counsel, his lead counsel, Catherine Nestor,

01:41:09.640 she's obviously an experienced Utah Salt Lake City attorney

01:41:12.160 with a background on capital cases and federal public defense.

01:41:15.740 But the co-counsel, Michael Burt and Richard Novak, Richard Novak is the guy arguing right now.

01:41:20.300 They were both added later on for their death penalty expertise, because as you guys know, Tyler Robinson right now is facing the shooting squad.

01:41:26.960 Utah does have the firing squad as a as a way to execute people and he's facing the death penalty.

01:41:33.520 So so apparently this is standard for capital case in the U.S., which is true.

01:41:38.600 And they're saying so the state of Utah paid for it.

01:41:40.820 Utah County's budgeted significantly for this.

01:41:42.920 And they're estimating that the lawyers

01:41:44.900 basically have already been paid $750,000.

01:41:48.420 Taxpayers are covering it.

01:41:49.560 Bruh!

01:41:53.720 So yeah, that's why he has a competent team.

01:41:55.720 And then obviously, you know,

01:41:57.680 these guys are fairly competent,

01:41:59.180 and even though they're public defenders,

01:42:00.360 but they're going to go hard

01:42:01.080 because this case has an enormous amount of coverage.

01:42:03.440 So if they do a really good job,

01:42:05.240 even though they're coin-appointed,

01:42:06.700 it doesn't matter.

01:42:07.760 And these two guys are from California.

01:42:09.100 Michael Burt

01:42:10.960 he was formerly involved in the Menendez brothers case

01:42:12.760 for those of you guys that don't know that was the brothers who killed

01:42:15.040 their parents and then Richard Novak

01:42:16.840 from Pasadena these guys are both

01:42:19.000 from California but they came in

01:42:20.400 because they're good at what they do

01:42:22.720 but yeah already

01:42:24.260 three quarters of a million dollars paid

01:42:26.260 to this legal team

01:42:28.040 but yeah it's the exposure as well

01:42:31.100 you know if I know that I'm going to be

01:42:32.860 covering a case in the five day

01:42:35.100 preliminary hearing that has millions of eyeballs

01:42:36.980 that are going to be on it yeah I'm going to go hard too

01:42:38.420 I'm going to do my homework and put on the best defense that I can

01:42:41.660 because this is free promo for them.

01:42:44.500 Mr. Englehart's interpretation of what that means.

01:42:50.340 I mean, Mr. Englehart at the top of page two

01:42:53.360 is basically telling this court what he thinks chapter 19 means.

01:42:59.180 How could that possibly be admissible in this proceeding?

01:43:03.300 And how could it possibly be admissible

01:43:05.440 for the purpose of this court

01:43:08.300 concluding what Mr. Kirk thought

01:43:12.640 chapter 19 of Matthew means.

01:43:18.500 So it's not relevant.

01:43:21.240 It's improper opinion evidence.

01:43:24.520 It's definitely overbroad

01:43:27.420 in terms of the evidence

01:43:29.640 that the state is proffering

01:43:30.960 to prove a very narrow point.

01:43:33.940 and it actually doesn't get to that point,

01:43:36.520 which is what was Mr. Robinson's state of mind.

01:43:41.480 It also doesn't say anything that Mr. Kirk specifically said on September 10th

01:43:49.600 that Mr. Robinson may or may not have heard

01:43:53.100 or anything that Mr. Kirk said before September 10th specifically

01:43:58.100 that Mr. Robinson may or may not have heard.

01:44:00.640 Nor has the state presented any evidence

01:44:02.720 and as an officer of the court i would say i don't think the state can present right 87k guys

01:44:07.320 go ahead and uh smash that like button on tiktok smash the heart button let's get this thing pulled

01:44:13.060 up uh last level i'm going to speed up the the thing guys to like 1.5 let me know if it's too

01:44:17.380 fast i want to catch up to what else is going on in the in the uh hearing is that any evidence

01:44:24.020 that mr robinson specifically heard mr kirk say a specific thing at a specific time there are some

01:44:29.040 statements, which I think that the state will say are admissions by Mr. Robinson,

01:44:33.800 which reference Mr. Kirk, which we will get to later. But none of those

01:44:36.980 reference specific statements by Mr. Robinson about specific statements by Mr. Kirk on any

01:44:41.720 specific issue that would even make a piece of this relevant. So I'm pretty sure that I've

01:44:51.680 reached that point where anything more I say, I'm going to be repeating myself. And so I'm just

01:44:54.160 going to stop unless the court has questions. I don't. Thank you. Well, I do have a question

01:44:58.540 And as it relates to political expressions, does religion or gender intersect with political expressions?

01:45:08.960 I think that's a great question, but probably not a question to be answered by me in this proceeding.

01:45:15.420 That's actually a really, really complicated question that the state wants the court to say is a simple yes.

01:45:24.860 All right.

01:45:25.580 Because I don't want to be the expert.

01:45:26.480 I mean, the court's basically asking me to testify.

01:45:28.920 I'm not trying to be flippant.

01:45:30.120 The court is asking me to testify about where religion and politics intersect.

01:45:35.140 And I, that's a fascinating question.

01:45:36.840 The question here is whether this document, the way it's presented, the way it was written,

01:45:42.820 is admissible under relevance and expert 701, 702, rules of evidence,

01:45:50.240 to prove what Mr. McBride says the state, what he acknowledges the state has to prove,

01:45:55.000 which is that Mr. Robinson had a state of mind, which was, let's just say, hostile to Mr. Kirk's political expression.

01:46:02.200 And I don't think that this court should be deciding, based on the record before it, where, if at all, politics and religion intersect.

01:46:10.420 I mean, if the court needs to resolve that issue, then the court also needs to resolve the question of which religious philosophy are we talking about.

01:46:20.220 Well, Mr. Novak, I bring that up because you mentioned it.

01:46:22.140 You said you cited directly to the enhancement.

01:46:23.940 You said political expression, and then you went to the Bible itself.

01:46:26.580 And so it appeared to the court that you put into play.

01:46:28.800 So I just wanted to get a little bit of guidance from your position.

01:46:31.340 And so that's the reason for the question.

01:46:33.180 I totally appreciate the question.

01:46:34.520 I'm not suggesting, Your Honor, that there's a problem with the question.

01:46:37.260 Any question that the court asks is a question that counsel should take seriously.

01:46:39.720 The legislature separates in the statute religion and political expression.

01:46:44.600 The state selected the victim targeting enhancement based on political expression only.

01:46:49.160 now the state wants to bring

01:46:51.340 I didn't bring Matthew in

01:46:52.760 the state is bringing Matthew in through Mr. Englehart 0.73

01:46:55.160 I didn't bring the Bible to this courtroom

01:46:57.300 the state brought it and that concerns me greatly

01:46:59.320 because the state is turning this into a question

01:47:01.200 of whether

01:47:03.420 Mr. Robinson's

01:47:05.980 views

01:47:07.500 identity

01:47:09.020 life are anti-Christian 0.60

01:47:10.880 and that's a huge problem and the state

01:47:13.060 has created that problem

01:47:13.840 and this hearing is being broadcast to the entire jury pool

01:47:17.300 and that's what Mr. McBride just did

01:47:18.800 is he turned this case into whether Mr. Robinson's life is...

01:47:22.920 Yeah, that's what they're so...

01:47:24.480 Yeah, I see why the defense is worried.

01:47:26.740 Inconsistent with what... 1.00

01:47:28.320 Because Utah has a lot of Christians, man. 0.85

01:47:30.600 Lots of Christians in Utah.

01:47:34.540 Mr. Englehart calls Orthodox Christian views.

01:47:39.020 I'm going to stop right here because I think the court knows what the problem is.

01:47:42.300 Thank you.

01:47:43.260 All right, anything further before the court makes its ruling?

01:47:44.820 I appreciate the in-depth argument and the passion behind the argument you are advocating for your clients, and I respect that.

01:47:51.680 Your Honor, I just say it provides context for the defendant's state of mind.

01:47:55.200 All right.

01:47:56.960 In making this determination whether it's admissible or not, I'm going to start at the beginning, which is this.

01:48:00.920 This is a preliminary hearing.

01:48:02.420 The purpose is to determine whether the state has established probable cause to believe a crime was committed and that Mr. Robinson committed it.

01:48:09.180 As it relates to this case, as I turn to relevance, I turn to the information as previously stated,

01:48:13.560 and is this relevant what is before me and without indicating my decision on probable cause because

01:48:19.520 I am not at that point I'm withholding all decision making until all evidence is properly

01:48:23.040 before me and so in this ruling is not indicating either direction that the court is heading

01:48:26.820 however the court finds that it is relevant as it relates to the victim targeting enhancement

01:48:31.020 as it relates to Charlie Kirk's political expression and the court recognizes the argument

01:48:35.320 made by defense in regards to state of mind and it is because of both arguments that the court

01:48:41.080 finds that well the court is ruling that it is provisionally admitted into evidence

01:48:45.700 and at such point when it becomes relevant based off what Mr. Novak has talked about

01:48:54.480 about Mr. Kirk's I'm sorry Mr. Robinson's state of mind about Mr. Kirk's political

01:48:58.780 beliefs then at that point whether it is admitted or not into evidence will be decided upon so as

01:49:04.680 of right now it is provisionally admitted because of that stance it will not be published to the

01:49:09.640 courtroom or media but both parties can weigh in on that when this is brought up again and the

01:49:14.740 request for it to be uh fully admitted uh is made by either party then the court will re-examine

01:49:19.920 whether it should be published at that time to those in the courtroom and to whether that is

01:49:24.180 displayed or or filmed by the camera all right let us proceed so sound like it's going to come

01:49:29.680 in a limited fashion so we'll see uh guys we're at 94 keep tapping the bind on uh on tiktok ninjas

01:49:34.560 well let us proceed to lunch because it is now 12 40 okay all right so let's see here are they

01:49:41.340 they have their break okay yeah so they didn't they didn't um okay so let's go ahead uh

01:49:47.760 let's finish watching the video because we never got a chance to finish this

01:49:54.780 what do we see displayed here now this is surveillance footage they played earlier guys

01:49:59.740 in, uh, the hearing. Oh, hold on. I'm driving the vehicle. Oh, no, this is a bad version.

01:50:11.960 And why, uh, well, let me ask you this. You believe this is Mr. Robinson returning to campus?

01:50:17.260 I do, yes. Okay. And, and what do you believe is Mr. Robinson? Uh, the shoes are the same

01:50:21.900 and the images that we have are from my viewing

01:50:30.160 and seeing Mr. Robinson on the video, it's the same person.

01:50:35.840 He's noticeably wearing different clothing.

01:50:38.540 He is wearing different clothing,

01:50:39.740 and he also is walking with a gait or a limp in this video.

01:50:44.980 Okay, so we showed that he left, came back, and now he's changed clothes.

01:50:49.400 A gait or what?

01:50:50.300 A limp.

01:50:51.140 Okay.

01:50:51.900 okay we got a lot of new people in here since you guys want me to play this video from the

01:50:57.040 beginning give me one's their chap you guys want me to play this surveillance footage from the

01:50:59.500 beginning because i think a lot of you guys didn't see what we're watching before give me a two of

01:51:04.440 you guys don't want me to give me a one of you guys want to play it okay let's go to the beginning

01:51:08.980 of the video then there's unseen footage guys that they played at the trial okay

01:51:12.740 because i know we got a lot of new people in here all right that cool get me to 100 000 on tiktok

01:51:18.260 then a lot of you guys in here on tiktok are new so smash that like button in there and we'll i'll

01:51:23.000 play for y'all okay so this is the unseen footage uh of him rolling in at about 8 30 in the morning

01:51:33.700 on september 10 2025 it is uh so it is admitted and uh may be published to the screens and uh

01:51:44.680 just want to make sure it's on your matter of fact let me make it big screen for you guys right now

01:51:48.280 so y'all can fully see everything let me get my mug out the way a little bit all right there we go

01:51:53.780 screen agents all right all right uh i got you ninjas mr sturgill you may proceed appreciate

01:52:02.820 that judge thank you go ahead okay what are we seeing here agent and i'm gonna play it at 1.25

01:52:07.880 speed okay guys so it's not too slow

01:52:09.560 so here's a challenger ruling in september 10 2025 8 30 a.m this was played earlier guys

01:52:17.180 um at this hearing the person that's testifying right now is the lead agent for the um state

01:52:25.100 bureau of uh investigation sbi or sorry uh yeah state bureau of investigation sbi um which is

01:52:32.700 you know the fbi of the state for utah uh major crimes unit uh state police basically

01:52:39.260 That's a vehicle that is believed to belong to Mr. Robinson arriving in the parking garage on campus.

01:52:43.740 At what time in the morning?

01:52:44.720 Well, what time in the day?

01:52:46.060 It's approximately 8.30 in the morning on September 10th, 2025.

01:52:49.920 And what leads you to believe that this particular vehicle belongs to Mr. Robinson?

01:52:54.500 Information that was provided in regards to driver's license and Department of Motor Vehicle Records.

01:53:00.440 The vehicle fits the description of a vehicle owned by Mr. Robinson.

01:53:03.140 Is there anything unique about that vehicle that stands out to you?

01:53:05.800 The shape of the vehicle is very distinct, but predominantly the wheels were very distinctive on this version of the vehicle.

01:53:12.300 Now what do we see?

01:53:13.960 The driver of the vehicle exits the vehicle and then walks on foot to exit the parking garage.

01:53:20.380 That's the individual in the red T-shirt and the shorts and the shoes.

01:53:26.380 And what is that? A thing like the Hurley hat or something like that?

01:53:29.320 Do you recognize who that person is?

01:53:30.000 Is it a dark hat?

01:53:31.120 Yes.

01:53:31.700 Who is that?

01:53:32.400 I believe that's Tyler Robinson.

01:53:34.440 All right, and where does he go from there?

01:53:36.720 He heads out of the parking garage on foot into the campus

01:53:39.440 and actually goes to the quad area of the campus.

01:53:43.360 At that time, he makes contact with some representatives from TPUSA.

01:53:48.200 By quad area?

01:53:49.460 Sorry, the amphitheater is what I previously referred it to.

01:53:52.240 All right, so he goes up on campus, visits the amphitheater area, the courtyard or quad.

01:53:56.540 Correct.

01:53:57.120 And then what do we see here now?

01:53:58.740 He returns on foot back to the same vehicle.

01:54:00.840 And what time is he returning back to the vehicle?

01:54:02.820 It's about 9.25 a.m.

01:54:07.240 He's on campus for about an hour.

01:54:26.240 Hey, Abram, thanks for the give the sub on kick, by the way.

01:54:28.420 I appreciate all you guys.

01:54:29.020 If you're a Brokie watching on kick, type in, I'm a Brokie, and then someone will probably gift you a sub-Ninjas.

01:54:34.860 Brokies are located on campus.

01:54:37.020 It's just off of Campus Drive.

01:54:39.100 It's a short walk from the amphitheater.

01:54:42.840 What do we see now?

01:54:44.680 That's the vehicle exiting with Mr. Robinson driving the vehicle.

01:54:58.140 Now, what do we see?

01:54:59.020 This is Mr. Robinson returning to the campus on foot from the neighborhood to the northeast.

01:55:04.860 You can see he's wearing the same clothing as in the previous video.

01:55:08.120 And he's carrying a blue backpack.

01:55:09.880 Describe the clothing.

01:55:11.180 This comes back again.

01:55:12.560 It's a maroon-colored T-shirt with gray or olive-colored shorts and then Converse shoes.

01:55:21.520 And what time did he return to campus?

01:55:24.080 Just after 10 a.m.

01:55:26.220 And does he leave the parking structure eventually?

01:55:28.940 He does, yes.

01:55:29.960 And during this visit, do you know where he goes after he leaves the parking structure?

01:55:33.620 Yes, we were able to track his movements on campus.

01:55:35.620 He went to Chick-fil-A in the Sorensen building and purchased some food, sat and ate the food.

01:55:42.820 And where did he purchase the food from?

01:55:45.160 Chick-fil-A in the Sorensen Center.

01:55:46.780 And where is that in relation to the amphitheater or the courtyard?

01:55:51.840 It's kind of on the northeast side of the amphitheater.

01:55:54.260 It would be on the upper back edge of the amphitheater,

01:55:58.600 furthest away from where the tent was that Mr. Cook was in.

01:56:01.180 And from there, where does he go?

01:56:02.960 From there, he moves across campus, out across campus drive into a wooded area

01:56:08.380 on what would be kind of the northeast side of campus drive,

01:56:12.300 then returns back onto campus.

01:56:15.100 And that's where I think the rifle would be later found,

01:56:18.040 the wooded area that he's referring to.

01:56:20.260 Semi, I appreciate you, bro, with the gifted.

01:56:22.960 Guys, keep double tapping on kick, man.

01:56:24.840 Sorry, on TikTok, man.

01:56:26.260 We're taking over slowly but surely.

01:56:29.760 We noticed at this point that he's no longer carrying the backpack that he was originally wearing.

01:56:33.840 He moves through the Gunther building and the computer science building.

01:56:38.020 And then, I'm sorry.

01:56:39.500 And then goes where?

01:56:40.620 Then goes across to the railing that gives access to the roof of the Loci building.

01:56:46.320 From there?

01:56:47.600 From there, he comes back down the stairs and walks off campus from that point.

01:56:52.300 and and about what time was that that he left campus that that second time do you

01:56:57.220 know I believe it was approximately 11 a.m. or just after if I recall I could

01:57:01.720 verify from my notes if you need an exact time yeah if you don't mind that'll

01:57:07.720 help you remember refer to it don't read it out loud so you know you've had a

01:57:11.020 chance to look at that would you

01:57:22.300 Were you able to refresh your memory as far as the time?

01:57:30.600 I was, yes.

01:57:31.460 And what time was it?

01:57:32.480 It was just prior to 11 a.m. when he walked off campus.

01:57:35.320 Before we go any further, the parking structure that he left initially,

01:57:39.300 where is that parking structure in relation to the LDS Institute building?

01:57:42.140 I'm sorry, in relation to?

01:57:43.040 The LDS Institute building on campus?

01:57:49.080 I think it would be just to the north of the LDS Institute building, if I recall.

01:57:51.980 Do you recall whether it was adjacent to the LDS Institute?

01:57:54.920 Yes, it is.

01:57:55.540 Okay.

01:57:56.400 All right.

01:57:57.980 What do we see displayed here now?

01:58:00.600 Go ahead.

01:58:01.660 This is a video of Mr. Robinson returning back to campus the same way that he did previously on foot.

01:58:07.600 This takes just a moment.

01:58:12.720 And why, well, let me ask you this.

01:58:15.180 You believe this is Mr. Robinson returning to campus?

01:58:17.120 I do, yes.

01:58:17.640 Okay.

01:58:18.060 And why do you believe it's Mr. Robinson?

01:58:19.300 the shoes are the same and um the images that we have i mean the hat is the same too

01:58:25.760 and sunglasses now look at how stiff he is now just so you guys know okay

01:58:31.240 the prosecutor the the um the official narrative because that's what we're covering here

01:58:36.740 people wonder all the time how did he conceal the gun okay and i'll show you guys here uh in a

01:58:43.700 little bit i'm gonna show you guys but he basically broke the had the gun broken down in two parts

01:58:47.060 okay he had it the the rifle side with like the barrel was on one side and then the other side

01:58:54.480 with the stock was on another side and then he went up on the top of the roof okay and that's

01:59:01.460 where he assembled the gun and used a screwdriver to do it but then when he after the shot was fired

01:59:07.660 he panicked rolled up the towel took the gun left the screwdriver there that's how they were able to

01:59:13.260 find the screwdriver with his dna on it i'll try to get you guys a visual of how he was able to

01:59:17.920 like break it down and put it in his clothes i'll give me one sec i'll keep playing this for you

01:59:20.720 guys and i'll show you guys like a visual from from my viewing and seeing mr robinson on the

01:59:29.500 video it's the same person uh he's noticeably wearing different clothing he is wearing different

01:59:35.580 clothing and he also is walking with a gate or a limp in this video with a gate or what a limp

01:59:41.220 now what do we see this is mr. Robinson coming up the stairs of the parking

01:59:51.260 structure again he seems to be having issues walking

01:59:59.480 And again, were you able to track Mr. Robinson when he leaves this parking structure?

02:00:15.680 Yes, we were able to.

02:00:17.580 So when he leaves the parking structure, where does he go?

02:00:21.160 He comes up around Campus Drive, as you can see on the video here.

02:00:24.240 There is a cut through there north of the Loci building, and that's Mr. Robinson coming

02:00:28.280 up the sidewalk he has the noticeable gate or limp in his walk and then he

02:00:33.200 moves south across the front of the Loci building on the sidewalk yes correct

02:00:40.560 he would be the rear of the two individuals in this particular video so

02:00:44.960 right now if we were to break this picture into quadrants where would he

02:00:47.840 where would he be I would be in the top left quadrant walking to the left of the

02:00:51.720 image now what do we see this is an image looking across the parking lot to

02:00:57.120 the Lossie building and Mr. Robinson is appearing on the exterior staircase which gives access to

02:01:02.180 the Lossie building roof and the area where the railing was. And again let's break that image

02:01:06.820 into quadrants. Where would you be located if you broke it into quadrants? It's in the top right

02:01:11.200 and the individual can be seen moving under the notations that are on the video.

02:01:14.940 and what time is this it's just afternoon about 12 15 on what day on december sorry december

02:01:28.680 september 10th 2025 what what just happened or what did we just see happen the individual

02:01:33.400 actually kind of rolls over the railing onto the roof of the lossy building all right

02:01:37.540 um and again in the top left corner the individual is now seen running across the

02:01:43.780 rooftop of the Loci building to what would be the southwest corner

02:01:48.500 of the building crouching down and then crawling to the corner of the building

02:01:55.460 and and this is at what time um around 12 23. i think the time stamp on the video is 12 22.

02:02:03.780 on the 10th on september 10th yes 20 25. we're clear this is the roof of the Loci building

02:02:08.660 correct can you still see that individual i guess you can lane prone

02:02:26.340 you believe this to be mr robinson i'm sorry but i'm trying to find the the let me hold on

02:02:33.140 let me let me let me find this again um guys there's a video i'm trying to find there's this

02:02:38.420 this dude. He's from Arizona. Maybe one of you guys know the YouTuber. He's from Arizona. He's

02:02:42.920 a fat guy. He's a white guy. He did a couple of videos on how you can conceal a Mauser in your 0.99

02:02:50.500 pants. The video came out a long time ago. I'm trying to find it for you guys. Someone in the

02:02:56.220 chat might know who I'm talking about. Can you guys give me the YouTuber's name?

02:03:02.380 I'm trying to remember, bro

02:03:06.520 Like, oh, man

02:03:07.740 He uses, like, teenage son to show it

02:03:11.860 Because his son has, like, a similar build to Tyler Robinson

02:03:14.720 Let me see here

02:03:22.120 I'm looking at, um

02:03:26.620 Let's see in here if any of you guys know the, um

02:03:32.380 someone said okay yeah i get the jokes i get the joke yeah someone said that's a good video i've

02:03:39.060 seen it too exactly you guys know what i'm saying yeah some people know who i'm talking about

02:03:41.860 i'm trying to see what the guy's name was man and i can't find the video because every every

02:03:48.480 time i'm clicking this thing all i see is like the most recent stuff because obviously the hearing is

02:03:53.580 going on right now so oh man all right i'll keep playing this for you guys i'll rewind it if i need

02:04:03.740 to but but yeah i'm not looking at the surveillance footage right now guys i'm trying to find you this

02:04:06.840 video so i'm gonna have to replay it back for y'all you believe this to be mr robinson i do yes

02:04:10.960 and how long is he out there on the edge of the building um just until the the reported shot was

02:04:17.680 fired at 12 23 and 28 individual then stands up and then moves across the building to the north

02:04:22.740 Is that what we're seeing happening right now?

02:04:24.560 It is, yes.

02:04:25.440 They move behind the atrium area on the rooftop to the northeast corner where the white triangle is.

02:04:34.680 Do you see Mr. Robinson now?

02:04:36.460 I do, yes.

02:04:37.020 He's just arriving at the corner of the building, almost the top center of the image.

02:04:46.320 What are we seeing now?

02:04:47.600 Mr. Robinson lowering and jumping off of the roof of the Loci building onto the Grouse area.

02:04:52.740 And then moving away towards campus drive.

02:04:57.440 And he appears to be carrying some kind of an object in his hand at this time.

02:05:07.280 So he's approaching campus drive.

02:05:10.460 And again, broken into quadrants.

02:05:12.120 All right, boys, I found it. 0.99

02:05:13.460 Let's fucking go. 0.99

02:05:14.320 All right, here we go. 0.99

02:05:15.840 assassination and the FBI said that he had a gun in his pants well a lot of people thought that it

02:05:27.680 was something like this the trouser mouser and they started questioning the narrative because

02:05:33.120 they just couldn't understand how this gun might have been concealed underneath the shooter's

02:05:39.320 clothing smart people understood that there were certain breakdown style stocks that may have made

02:05:45.740 a gun easier for transport but because this particular gun has a fixed stock they're having

02:05:51.520 a hard time struggling with the fact that this gun could have been broken down transported in

02:05:56.380 multiple pieces reassembled in a relatively short amount of time and used to take the shot

02:06:01.980 I've already went through another video discussing how easy this gun is actually to break down and

02:06:07.320 reassemble in its configuration as is and I'll link that video in the description below if you

02:06:13.460 haven't already seen it, I reckon you go do so. But we're going to talk today about some theories

02:06:20.100 I have on how this gun may have been broken down and transported and how it may have or may not

02:06:26.960 have had an outward appearance to either maybe confirm what the FBI is telling us or maybe

02:06:32.940 disprove it. I don't know. I have a feeling that this could be possible and I'd like to show that

02:06:39.600 and i think it's important that we kind of investigate these things with the assets that

02:06:46.120 we have available to ourselves at all my heart is completely with the kirk family and anyone

02:06:51.480 out there just under 30 inches and it comes apart into four groups before so this is how

02:06:58.560 let me get myself out the way here um

02:07:01.440 so you guys can like see the full there we go and it's maybe five depending on the application

02:07:09.660 immediately the stock assembly comes off that is going to measure

02:07:15.120 just under 30 inches and um there may be some variables in the gun that was used

02:07:22.980 um there are different stock lengths out there there's different lengths of pole

02:07:26.780 different foreign lengths uh the one he used looked like it was pretty much standard it didn't

02:07:31.280 look like he cut anything off in the front end. He also didn't have any slings mounted

02:07:35.860 that I can get any kind of clue on in the photos. I didn't see a sling swivel. He wouldn't

02:07:41.220 have needed one in his application so I have removed it and it's out of the discussion.

02:07:45.740 So this is the actual part of the firearm that is the most important, the barrel and

02:07:51.600 the receiver assembly. The overall barrel length on this is, looks like it's about a

02:08:00.600 a 22 going from the chamber forward and okay so we can clearly see here that you can break the

02:08:08.060 gun break the gun down into um you know two pieces right to decrease the the profile size

02:08:16.060 we're not gonna watch the full but i'm just gonna like kind of take you guys through like

02:08:20.640 what what the other theory is that was molded uh in some sort of a mold the interior was probably

02:08:27.380 a lot smoother so these pieces could so now we're gonna get it we'll show the concealment

02:08:31.720 test theoretically go thing out of the way i'm uh assuming that since this was the longest piece

02:08:37.340 and then it was causing so much uh hiccup in his giddy up that this is probably maybe what was

02:08:43.920 sitting on his right leg so i'm gonna go ahead and throw it in my pants here because here you

02:08:47.980 guys can see here look at how he's walking um but we've all fell off the roof good look

02:08:59.780 we're gonna go to google because he heard him say this from on his way in this is clearly a

02:09:07.980 home security camera and is dragging the right leg camera looking out from a garage you see the

02:09:13.700 shooter walking along and he is engaged with a limp here and that's the right leg so what he's

02:09:18.640 going to do here is going to replicate that again i took my belt off i i don't know if

02:09:27.100 shoves in his pants is not moving it's kind of pressed close to his body like he's squeezing

02:09:37.420 with his armpit and i have the scope and the receiver right underneath my armpit right now

02:09:43.360 and let's see what my walk looks like i wonder if i can zoom you guys out further

02:09:49.120 right now as it sits the muzzle of the rifle is just below my knee which would go to

02:10:03.400 the fact that we saw him moving with no hip movement but he was still able to move his knee

02:10:10.300 I can still bend my knee.

02:10:12.840 And the walk was very slow and deliberate with no arm motion.

02:10:19.680 Yeah, because you can see his right arm is stiff, too.

02:10:22.200 This very well could have been.

02:10:23.940 Because you can see in the footage, his arm is tight on it like this,

02:10:27.140 and he's walking stiff.

02:10:28.640 So the whole right side of his body is, like, almost locked.

02:10:32.400 Been how the barrel and the receiver action was stashed.

02:10:36.320 uh as far as printing on it let me get a little closer to you and look

02:10:42.180 can you see like that okay so now let's go ahead and look at the um and then oh yeah look at the

02:10:50.780 print on his pants right here you would think this is a cell phone right

02:10:54.280 a parent on the outside of me now we have seen some video of him or the still images we didn't

02:11:03.280 see video but stills when he was approaching stairs and his arms were out i do have my arms

02:11:09.320 out and the barrel and receiver is not falling down um i wouldn't want to move very much like

02:11:15.020 that okay let's go to the second part of the gun now we got the stock portion gonna be

02:11:21.660 a little trickier i wonder if it can go in this side

02:11:24.880 under the arm uh the mug shots this gentleman was 72 inches tall or six feet

02:11:32.100 i am somewhere between five foot ten and six foot depending on what pair of shoes i'm wearing

02:11:37.220 and what convenience store i'm leaving that day uh he's also a lot thinner i'm a more husky

02:11:43.160 individual obviously but okay so we've seen photos of him on the stairs we've never actually

02:11:51.100 seen video of it but i'm gonna well we do now we have it now with with this but um

02:11:58.200 okay so let me see here because i know he made another video

02:12:05.500 with his son who's like a very similar build

02:12:10.380 all right let me go back here

02:12:17.140 oh here we go bam

02:12:20.440 solved by uh one of you guys out there uh very nice so now this is going to put everything

02:12:29.660 together this video here okay this is going to put everything together because you got an email

02:12:33.120 from someone who explained something so i'll just go from the beginning we solved it and when i say

02:12:38.760 we i don't mean me or this individual right here i mean one of you did actually i gotta and again

02:12:44.120 like i said before guys as we break down this preliminary hearing and we do the legal analysis

02:12:51.200 on this we are going to go ahead and cover um obviously the official narrative and what's going

02:12:56.820 on with that because that's what's going on when it comes to this case the conspiracy theories we

02:13:02.560 could talk about that after but for the purposes of today and us covering the preliminary hearing

02:13:06.200 i'm making sure that you guys are the most aware of what the official narrative is okay i think it

02:13:10.880 It is important to know the official narrative because that's what's going to be talked about during the preliminary hearing.

02:13:15.560 We're not going to talk about Egyptian planes and exploding microphones, guys.

02:13:18.340 I know you guys want to talk about that, but we can talk about that after we do the prelim, okay?

02:13:24.300 So let's go through this because I don't think this video hasn't gotten that much attention.

02:13:29.080 But this is how, in theory, Tyler Robinson could have carried the rifle up to the roof.

02:13:36.980 an email today with the image and an idea of how this stock was carried and i grabbed my

02:13:44.700 well my 18 year old six foot something assistant here who so almost you know identical um you know

02:13:52.160 biology weighs how many pounds 140 ish okay i don't know what the killer's weight was but

02:13:58.800 we do know that based on the mugshot he was about 72 inches tall and that's what this individual

02:14:02.900 right here is and essentially the change was carrying the stock in the front if you can see

02:14:10.820 down here these jeans are a little bit baggier but if you pull them back you remember that image of

02:14:14.580 the gigantic cell phone sitting right here in the thigh that's your stock that explains why the leg

02:14:19.860 motion cannot come forward because it's completely locked in and if you see i'll put the video or the

02:14:24.660 image up on the screen. Boom. Right there. In the photo, you can start to see an outline of the

02:14:33.120 stock. Okay. This has solved the riddle that has been bugging me the whole time about the bulk of

02:14:37.200 the stock. Essentially, I believe now with 90 something percent certainty that the stock was

02:14:42.620 carried this way and the barrel was carried on the side. Now, whether or not the scope came off

02:14:47.240 or not, that's an item for debate. And we can talk about the ramifications of that later. But I think

02:14:51.500 with certainty or fair not you can't be certain about anything but I I think as

02:14:54.980 close as we can be to certain this is how this was carried and I'm gonna let

02:14:58.820 this guy demonstrate we're also gonna go out in the stairwell shoot a little

02:15:01.640 video of him walking in the stairs so you can see that it's possible to climb

02:15:03.860 the stairs like this so go ahead

02:15:13.100 that's why I think he hooked underneath his armpit kept his arm straight down

02:15:17.780 because if you see when he walks he doesn't have his hands in pockets they're out

02:15:20.080 Keep your hands out.

02:15:21.500 All right, now walk towards me.

02:15:23.180 Or walk that way.

02:15:26.160 Makes sense.

02:15:35.220 Pull your hand up when you come back the next way.

02:15:37.920 When you show me that other side the next time, keep your hand off of it.

02:15:44.300 All right, now try.

02:15:50.000 all right walk straight at me

02:15:54.500 all right try it again okay okay so let's uh now we know the stock let's see if we can get

02:16:07.620 now they're gonna do it on the stairs

02:16:09.780 let's try

02:16:20.000 pointed out astutely that the way that the scope is mounted to the mouse all right mr ron cruchin

02:16:34.300 made a comment and i tracked it down and it was very extensive it was very concise and very

02:16:38.380 knowledgeable and we've actually emailed back and forth but he pointed out astutely that the way

02:16:43.440 that the scope is mounted to the mouser in the picture that we have seen is using what is known

02:16:47.740 as a rotary dovetail it is a system that was designed to mount all my gun guys in here pay

02:16:53.780 attention to this part all my gun guys in here scopes onto rifles um kind of when the sporterized

02:17:00.380 military rifle thing started which mausers definitely were sporterized military rifle and

02:17:03.940 i'll do a whole talk on that a little later but the gist of it is is that when gunsmiths were going

02:17:08.860 to mount these scopes to these receivers that were never designed to have scopes they had to

02:17:12.260 drill and tap them out what happened was the alignment wasn't always there so what they came

02:17:16.420 up with was what was called rotary dovetail and when the scope ring goes to seat each individual

02:17:22.180 one you have two to hold the scope on either end of the receiver they have a t-shaped foot on the

02:17:27.060 front one that goes in at a 90 degree angle perpendicular to the barrel and then it's turned

02:17:31.040 with a wrench the rear one does the same thing but the front one is in a dumb mount it does not move

02:17:35.640 it is not adjustable the rear mount actually has winded screws on either side of it and that mount

02:17:41.840 sets on the gun and the ring goes inside of that and then it's turned then you can mount the scope

02:17:49.000 and put the cap on to the ring and those windage screws are there because the alignment between

02:17:53.200 the holes when these sporterized rifles were brought into the market wasn't always accurate

02:17:57.360 and what would happen was you would have to use up all of your windage adjustment in the scope

02:18:00.880 just getting to the zero point on the rifle. What he is telling me and this is a very astute

02:18:05.200 observation is that you can take a windage screw off of one side of the scope, grab the whole scope,

02:18:10.580 turn it lift the scope assembly out with both rings on it and when you're ready to go you can

02:18:16.080 put it back in turn it back over and as long as the winded screw on this side has not been adjusted

02:18:19.920 you can put the other one back in and you will have a very little small effect on your zero

02:18:26.760 almost negligible effect you so the gun was zeroed in before allegedly you may not even lose the zero

02:18:35.260 at all this particular rifle was fitted with that kind of an assembly my rifle has very interesting

02:18:40.700 uh weaver rings on it which are very similar to how scopes are generally mounted now and

02:18:45.560 um you know you've seen you put a scope now like most everybody here is an ar fan yeah it's very

02:18:51.240 interesting when i heard this theory i was like wow okay i didn't even think about that or some

02:18:55.380 sort of military modern sporting rifle aficionado and you just slap your scope in the weaver rail

02:19:01.300 screw it in that's kind of how or the pick rail and screw it in and that's kind of the same

02:19:05.540 function as mine except there's no lateral cuts to lock it for moving forward and back so if you

02:19:09.600 go to take the scope off of my gun and then try to remount it you're not ever going to find true

02:19:14.660 to where you were before so it's not all right so someone's saying uh my big gun guy here that

02:19:20.380 is true but i doubt he was smart enough to do that i mean look bro um this guy teller robinson

02:19:26.060 a lot of people don't know he actually had a high iq he was um you know he had gotten accepted to a

02:19:30.000 lot of good schools the dude's not an idiot um so he might have known bro you might have known

02:19:36.120 a gonna be an apples to apples comparison and uh be what this scope system can achieve with

02:19:44.180 remaining true to zero is much higher and much more probable than the setup that i have on my

02:19:48.920 because if you guys think about it he only took one shot you know he only took one shot and he hit

02:19:54.740 so uh so the gun was definitely zeroed in to some degree but um but yeah this is a theory of how he

02:20:03.480 could have concealed it but anyway let's go back to the footage surveillance footage here now that

02:20:06.400 we kind of got that out the way um but does that make sense guys how they could how he probably

02:20:10.980 could have concealed this the the rifle in his clothing stock in the front barrel on the other

02:20:17.200 side as you guys can see um all right let's see here let's uh let's go back to the um to the

02:20:33.700 footage that the agent was going over now that we know this currently being the top white and

02:20:38.300 they're on lunch break right now guys i'm keeping my eye on it and i'm seeing when when it comes

02:20:41.940 back yeah there's still there's still lunch break as you guys can see right here so it'll it'll we'll

02:20:45.860 hear it when they're back so while we do that let's go ahead and just review some of the stuff

02:20:50.700 we missed so i'm going to rewind it a little bit so here we go after 10 a.m and does he leave the

02:20:57.140 parking structure eventually uh he does yes and during this visit do you know where he goes after

02:21:02.020 he leaves the the parking structure yes we were able to track his movements on campus he went to

02:21:06.020 chick-fil-a um in the sorenson building and purchased some food sat and ate the food then

02:21:12.700 And I'm sorry, where did he purchase the food from? Chick-fil-A in the Sorensen Center.

02:21:16.560 And where is that in relation to the amphitheater or the courtyard?

02:21:21.460 It's kind of on the northeast side of the amphitheater.

02:21:24.020 So here he comes back, you know, where the tent was at Mr. Cook, side of campus drive and returns back onto campus.

02:21:31.060 Remember, guys, we never had any of this footage of him actually like walking on surveillance, like with the on campus.

02:21:36.400 We only had the we only had the TMZ stuff of him walking in the neighborhood.

02:21:39.540 we noticed at this point that he's no longer carrying the backpack that he was originally

02:21:43.900 wearing uh he moves through the gunther building and the computer science building 0.98

02:21:48.140 and then i'm sorry and then goes where then goes across uh okay of course i get one idiot in the 0.54

02:21:55.900 chat name anonymous ac dude says marmley ck was killed by the 30 out six is off betslav how do 0.86

02:21:59.980 you know it's him bro i said at the beginning of the broadcast that we're focusing on the 0.99

02:22:04.520 official narrative because that's what we're watching the hearing like shut the fuck up dude 1.00

02:22:07.840 holy shit you 10 point hat guys please shut the fuck up we are not talking about the alternative 1.00

02:22:15.920 theories right now you fucking moron holy crap dude how many times i have to say this on stream 1.00

02:22:22.680 how many times i have to tell you i like and carol i like canis owens i work with both of them i know 0.99

02:22:28.540 they have alternative theories but that's not the purpose of today's shows how many times i have to

02:22:31.920 say this dude this dude's anonymous ac i can see why you want to stay anonymous because you're low

02:22:36.240 iq enjoy the shadow run bro time to send you to the shadow round the future is mine out of my chat 0.97

02:22:44.380 bro oh my god man it's like common sense isn't common dude how many times i have to fucking 0.91

02:22:49.900 repeat myself dude holy crap man to the the railing that gives access to the roof incredible 0.97

02:22:56.960 of the low sea building from there uh from there he comes uh back down the stairs and uh walks off 0.70

02:23:03.780 campus from that point and and about what time was that that he left campus that that second time

02:23:09.020 do you know i believe it was approximately 11 a.m or just after if i recall i could verify from my 0.97

02:23:14.560 notes if you need an exact time uh yeah if you don't mind we'll talk about the exploding fucking 0.89

02:23:19.580 thing after guys how about that one you happy now after the prelim hearing is done we'll talk about 0.82

02:23:25.380 the exploding microphone sorry the exploding um lapel mic after okay but for the purpose of right

02:23:31.380 now we're obviously analyzing the prelim hearing which is the official narrative and i'm trying to

02:23:37.900 educate the people on what the official narrative is so they know what is being talked about in the

02:23:43.040 courtroom with the testimony okay stop spurging out for a little bit dude okay i get it you want 0.98

02:23:49.880 to put the tinfoil hat on and go full-on moron wait until after the preliminary hearing is done 0.99

02:23:54.860 okay then we'll entertain the other side but please shut the fuck up about that right now dude 1.00

02:23:58.520 holy crap man incredible dude incredible how people are just so low IQ no critical thinking 0.99

02:24:04.080 skills they it's like they can't hear another perspective at all that'll help you remember 0.95

02:24:11.120 refer to it don't read it out loud let me know when you've had a chance to look at that would

02:24:14.700 you and I've been telling you guys for a year now that I'm waiting until I get all the evidence I'm

02:24:18.100 looking at all the evidence I'm gonna look at all sides okay I haven't made my concrete decision on 1.00

02:24:22.540 what I think transpired on that day okay so I'm looking at both narratives so please shut the fuck 0.99

02:24:31.780 up about it 0.99

02:24:33.080 ...to 11 a.m. when he walked off campus.

02:24:51.580 Before we go any further, the parking structure that he left initially, where is that parking

02:24:56.360 structure in relation to the LDS Institute building?

02:24:58.500 I'm sorry, in relation to?

02:24:59.360 The LDS Institute building on campus?

02:25:03.080 Um, I think it would be just to the north of the LDS Institute building, if I recall.

02:25:09.120 Do you recall? 1.00

02:25:09.880 I had to send another idiot to the Shadow Realm. 1.00

02:25:11.680 Uh, HHN, enjoy that, my friend. 1.00

02:25:14.580 Time to send you to the Shadow Realm.

02:25:18.740 The future is mine. 1.00

02:25:21.940 Yeah, I'm sending all you trolls to the fucking Shadow Realm, bro. 1.00

02:25:24.640 Double kill. 1.00

02:25:25.740 Okay. 1.00

02:25:27.120 I'm sending all you niggas to the Shadow Realm, bro. 1.00

02:25:30.520 Hold on, who else we got to hunt down and get them out of here, bro? 1.00

02:25:33.080 See, the thing is, when you got trolls in chat,

02:25:35.800 you got to get rid of them immediately, dude. 0.98

02:25:37.060 They're like cancer. 0.97

02:25:41.340 Yeah, Masada, agent, enjoy the shadow. 0.90

02:25:42.920 I'll go back to Tel Aviv.

02:25:44.280 Time to send you to the shadow realm. 0.61

02:25:48.440 The future is mine.

02:25:51.540 That's three gone. 0.98

02:25:52.780 Triple kill. 0.77

02:25:53.940 Who else wants it? 0.83

02:25:55.500 Who else?

02:25:57.900 I'm looking for the kill tack. 1.00

02:26:00.100 With you morons. 1.00

02:26:04.080 Well, it was adjacent to the LDS Institute. 1.00

02:26:05.940 Yes, it is.

02:26:06.540 Okay.

02:26:07.420 All right.

02:26:08.960 What do we see displayed here now?

02:26:11.580 Go ahead.

02:26:12.660 This is a video of Mr. Robinson returning back to campus the same way that he did previously on foot.

02:26:18.620 And this takes just a moment.

02:26:23.700 Yes, Chad, I am waiting until the trial.

02:26:25.540 Yes, I am waiting until the trial.

02:26:27.520 And why, well, let me ask you this.

02:26:29.740 You believe this is Mr. Robinson returning to campus?

02:26:31.440 No, 4 is Kiltacular and Halo 2, bro.

02:26:33.320 We don't care about Halo 3.

02:26:34.940 We use Halo 2 terminology over here. 0.66

02:26:38.220 Halo 3 is trash compared to Halo 2, bro.

02:26:40.160 I do, yes. 0.78

02:26:40.820 And why do you believe it's Mr. Robinson?

02:26:43.120 The shoes are the same.

02:26:44.820 And the images that we have

02:26:47.020 from my viewing and seeing Mr. Robinson on the video,

02:26:52.700 it's the same.

02:26:53.180 Black enjoyed the Shadow Realm as well. 0.99

02:26:55.080 Time to send you to the Shadow Realm. 1.00

02:26:59.240 The future is mine. 1.00

02:27:01.180 Tick-tock, moron, bro. 1.00

02:27:04.540 Kiltacular. 1.00

02:27:07.700 He's noticeably wearing different clothing. 0.92

02:27:09.860 He is wearing different clothing,

02:27:11.080 and he also is walking with a gate or a limp in this video.

02:27:14.800 With a gate or what?

02:27:15.740 A limp.

02:27:21.860 Okay, now here's the infamous video of him going up the stairs.

02:27:25.040 Now what do we see?

02:27:26.360 This is Mr. Robinson coming up the stairs of the parking structure.

02:27:31.180 again he seems to be having issues very similar to uh to the sun right like uh with the stairs

02:27:37.820 well now now we got to go up we want to go up

02:27:47.020 skinniest pair of jeans you on so the right leg has to stay stiff while the left one is the one

02:27:57.600 that actually ascends same here walking left goes up right is stiff left goes up right is stiff

02:28:05.900 well in this case it's the other way around but you guys get the idea

02:28:16.560 one leg is stiff while the other one goes up

02:28:18.440 And again, were you able to track Mr. Robinson when he leaves this parking structure?

02:28:34.080 Yes, we were able to.

02:28:35.760 So when he leaves the parking structure, where does he go?

02:28:39.100 He comes up around Campus Drive, as you can see on the video here.

02:28:42.460 There is a cut through there north of the Loci building, and that's Mr. Robinson coming up the sidewalk.

02:28:47.380 now this is the building right here guys uh where the the shot came from this is the building it's

02:28:53.600 the noticeable gate or limp in his walk um and then he moves south across the front of the

02:28:59.900 building okay i think this is him right here chat right where my mouse is i know it's a little hard

02:29:06.360 to see but that's that's where he is yes correct he would be the rear of the two individuals in

02:29:13.740 this particular video someone said he was wearing skinny jeans no he wasn't dude he was wearing

02:29:17.480 regular jeans bro like come on dude he was wearing regular jeans dude look

02:29:22.100 emotion cannot come these are the type of jeans he was wearing

02:29:28.260 and this is not a cell phone that's the that's the barrel or sorry that's the stock

02:29:33.460 of the mauser i thought it was a cell phone at first too but this actually makes way more sense

02:29:43.740 So right now, if you were to break this picture into quadrants, where would he be?

02:29:48.740 I would be in the top left quadrant, walking to the left of the image.

02:29:52.740 Now what do we see?

02:29:54.740 This is an image looking across the parking lot to the Loci building,

02:29:57.740 and Mr. Robinson is appearing on the exterior staircase,

02:30:00.740 which gives access to the Loci building roof and the area where the railing was.

02:30:05.740 Again, let's break that image into quadrants.

02:30:07.740 Where would you be located if you broke it into quadrants?

02:30:10.740 It's in the top right, and the individual can be seen moving under the notations that are on the video.

02:30:18.680 So this might be right here, guys.

02:30:21.660 It's hard to see, but you can see something moving.

02:30:26.260 And what time is this?

02:30:28.440 It's just afternoon, about 12.15.

02:30:31.020 And I think the shot was fired around 12.25, if I'm not mistaken.

02:30:34.540 On what day?

02:30:35.240 On December.

02:30:37.000 Sorry, December.

02:30:38.140 September 10th, 2025.

02:30:39.140 what just happened or what did we just see happen the individual actually kind of rolls over the

02:30:45.920 railing onto the roof of the lossy building all right um and again there you go see her right

02:30:53.980 there guys they never showed any of this footage before the top left corner and i was saying for

02:30:59.460 the longest time when the fbi released the footage i was like yo where's the rest of it

02:31:02.300 okay cool we see him because let me refresh your guys memory go back in time a little bit

02:31:09.140 Right? We go back in time a little bit.

02:31:13.640 Tyler Robinson.

02:31:17.060 Roof.

02:31:18.800 We all remember this infamous footage that came out,

02:31:22.940 the FBI release. Remember this?

02:31:25.700 This is at 1223.

02:31:27.940 Then we see him running.

02:31:35.020 You can see him right there. Just follow my mouse.

02:31:39.140 right and i was like and i was like annoyed because i was like yo if they were able to

02:31:49.260 get this footage where's the footage of him getting up there like why are they not releasing

02:31:52.460 that well now we're seeing it so boom there he goes jumps down

02:31:57.520 and then he runs off so i remember when the fbi originally released this before

02:32:04.660 so now we can see him getting up there in this footage finally and this is at 12 22

02:32:14.140 he was running this is right after the shots are fired 12 23

02:32:21.100 12 23 37 this is right after the shots were fired he's obviously sprinting out of there

02:32:34.660 and then it's like a minute before individual is now seen running across the rooftop of the

02:32:39.320 building to what would be the southwest corner of the building crouching down and then crawling

02:32:46.340 to the corner of the building and and this is at what time um around 12 23 i think the time stamp

02:32:56.600 on the video is 12 22 on the 10th on september 10th yes 2025 where was the mouse when he jumped

02:33:02.820 down uh right here i'll show you you see he drops something down with a towel and it's stiff

02:33:11.740 as he like is dangling

02:33:15.740 he grabs it and then he jumps down and you can see it in his hand

02:33:21.420 right and then he runs off and you can see something like this the towel or the thing

02:33:30.280 that's covering the rifle,

02:33:31.380 that was the towel

02:33:31.920 that he laid down on

02:33:32.780 when he took the shot.

02:33:35.520 So he,

02:33:36.080 because there was all gravel up there.

02:33:37.160 So he put a towel down,

02:33:39.000 assembled the gun

02:33:39.600 with a screwdriver, 0.58

02:33:41.000 shot,

02:33:41.480 and then got out of there.

02:33:44.740 This is the roof

02:33:45.460 of the Losey building.

02:33:46.380 Correct.

02:33:48.320 Can you still see that individual?

02:33:50.780 Yes, you can,

02:33:51.520 laying prone.

02:34:00.280 Do you believe this to be Mr. Robinson?

02:34:05.860 I'm sorry?

02:34:06.440 Do you believe this to be Mr. Robinson?

02:34:07.600 I do, yes.

02:34:08.200 And how long is he out there on the edge of the building?

02:34:12.020 Just until the reported shot was fired at 12, 23, and 28.

02:34:16.840 The individual then stands up and then moves across the building to the north.

02:34:20.060 Is that what we're seeing happening right now?

02:34:21.700 It is, yes.

02:34:22.620 They move behind the atrium area on the rooftop to the northeast corner where the white triangle is.

02:34:30.280 Do you see Mr. Robinson now?

02:34:33.620 I do, yes. He's just arriving at the corner of the building.

02:34:36.580 Almost the top center of the image.

02:34:39.660 Yeah, this is when he's running now.

02:34:44.460 What are we seeing now?

02:34:45.960 Mr. Robinson lowering and jumping off of the roof of the Loci building onto the grass area.

02:34:50.820 Yeah, this is when he ran.

02:34:52.180 And then moving away towards Campus Drive.

02:34:54.320 So this is the original one.

02:34:55.960 and then this one that we have here

02:34:59.060 this is the one that I think the FBI

02:35:00.380 enhanced and released

02:35:02.600 this one seems

02:35:05.160 to be the raw one that they didn't enhance

02:35:07.120 or zoom in on

02:35:08.760 he appears to be

02:35:11.300 carrying some kind of an object in his hand at this time

02:35:13.280 which again you guys can see right here

02:35:25.960 so he's approaching campus drive and again broken into quadrants where is he

02:35:31.420 currently in the top white right quadrant and the time it's 12 24 and 42

02:35:39.220 on the timestamp okay we didn't see this what do we see now he then crosses

02:35:42.820 campus drive and drops down into the wooded area on the far side of campus

02:35:47.060 drive and that is located in what part of the video what quadrant it would have

02:35:54.640 been just off-center on the top left side are what do we see now this is the

02:36:01.900 intersection of campus Drive and 800 South there's a vehicle attempting to

02:36:05.620 turn right onto campus Drive that's the vehicle is driven by mr. Robinson and on

02:36:11.140 this on the screen where is that vehicle that you're referring to located if you

02:36:14.740 broke it into quadrants it's on the left side on the on the upper side the upper

02:36:19.000 quadrant. Now what do we see? That vehicle is now pulling away and heading east on 800

02:36:25.900 south. And why do you believe that that vehicle is Mr. Robinson's vehicle? When that vehicle

02:36:33.200 was stopped, it actually made contact with an officer who was doing security detail.

02:36:36.620 And do you know who that officer is? Officer Goforth. And do you know which department

02:36:39.820 he works for? Spanish Walk, please. And did you have a conversation with Mr. Goforth regarding

02:36:44.080 this interaction at that intersection?

02:36:46.820 I did, yes.

02:36:47.600 And what time was that interaction?

02:36:49.240 I'm sorry, did I ask you that?

02:36:50.320 It was approximately 12.30 a.m.

02:36:53.940 On the 11th?

02:36:55.000 On September 11th, 2025.

02:36:57.060 So you talked to the officer Goforth about that contact

02:36:59.460 on the corner on that,

02:37:01.120 I guess during the early morning hours of the 11th.

02:37:03.320 Correct.

02:37:03.760 And what did the officer Goforth tell you

02:37:05.460 about that interaction?

02:37:07.120 It was an interaction that,

02:37:10.220 I guess cop intuition,

02:37:11.900 but there was something about the interaction

02:37:12.840 that made him make a note of the license plate of the vehicle.

02:37:17.000 And then subsequently, when information was available that that vehicle,

02:37:21.500 or a vehicle matching the description of that, was involved in the incident,

02:37:25.280 he ran the information that he had obtained from the stop

02:37:27.260 and was able to identify that it was registered to Mr. Robinson.

02:37:31.340 And he had, in fact, had contact with Mr. Robinson on the morning of September 11th, 2025.

02:37:35.760 The information that he ran, when you say that, he ran information.

02:37:40.140 Yes, he ran a partial plate.

02:37:41.680 A license plate?

02:37:42.620 Correct.

02:37:43.260 And based on that partial license plate, he was able to identify the owner of that vehicle?

02:37:47.220 Yes.

02:37:47.700 And did he tell you who the owner of that vehicle was?

02:37:49.300 He did, yes.

02:37:50.160 Okay, and who did he tell you that it belonged to?

02:37:51.340 There were two registered owners of the vehicle, Tyler Robinson and Amber Robinson.

02:37:55.640 Did he say anything about the person that he actually interacted with?

02:37:58.360 Yes, it was a male that he believed to be Tyler Robinson.

02:38:10.440 Let's return again.

02:38:12.480 to what's been marked to Stakes Exhibit 12.1.

02:38:16.800 Again, you've reviewed that video.

02:38:18.380 Yes.

02:38:18.880 And the difference between 12.1,

02:38:20.320 what's been marked to Stakes Exhibit 12.1, and 12.4,

02:38:23.640 are, if I understand you correctly,

02:38:25.080 are these enhancements that we've been talking about.

02:38:26.680 Yes.

02:38:27.320 And specifically, be specific about the enhancements,

02:38:31.820 and let's go one at a time.

02:38:33.000 Okay.

02:38:33.760 I think there's a reference to either red circles

02:38:35.440 or red highlights.

02:38:36.480 Correct.

02:38:36.640 That's how Mr. Olson described it, red highlights.

02:38:39.320 Yes.

02:38:39.580 Do you know what he's,

02:38:41.060 What is he referencing by the red highlights, or what do you believe he's referencing?

02:38:45.760 I believe he's referring to red ovals or circles that were placed over the image to identify specific individuals of note.

02:38:52.980 And these red circles, are they permanent red circles? Are they temporary?

02:39:00.720 I would assume they are temporary. I'm not very technological, but I believe they would be overlaid over the image.

02:39:05.460 And that is a bad question.

02:39:07.020 What I mean by that is do they appear and disappear quickly

02:39:09.000 or do they linger or last for a period of time?

02:39:12.440 They're there for a notable period,

02:39:13.840 but I believe they come off the video.

02:39:16.640 All right.

02:39:17.840 And other than, well, and you said that the circles,

02:39:22.820 what do the circles do?

02:39:24.280 They identify an area or a person of interest within the video.

02:39:28.180 And other than do that, do the circles or the highlights,

02:39:31.520 Do they do anything with regards to the video itself as far as its accuracy?

02:39:36.580 Not to my knowledge, no.

02:39:38.460 I think the next enhancement that has been mentioned that we've talked about is there's some blurring.

02:39:44.080 Yes.

02:39:44.460 Do you know what that, tell us what that is.

02:39:46.880 What blurring do you see in state what's been marked as state's exhibit 12.1 that you now don't see in 12.4?

02:39:52.440 If I recall, there were some individuals in the parking garage footage and their faces were blurred.

02:39:56.560 is anything other than faces being blurred i'm not i recall now and how often do you see the

02:40:05.700 blurring throughout the video i believe it's just in the in the original sequence in the parking

02:40:10.400 garage the um the other than the blurring um does well does the blurring other than obviously blur

02:40:19.380 out part of the image does it change or impact i read some of these super chats real quick um

02:40:23.780 before they pile up too much um ghost says off topic but could you break down oh no read that

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02:41:42.280 defend this chair morale the story don't uh break the law yeah uh tender says uh hey myron just

02:41:48.620 joined oss and glad to be a part of the community real quick i was catching up on yesterday's stream

02:41:52.880 and said uh whoever did this will burn in hell in reference to kirk assassination from that i

02:41:56.740 implied that maybe you have skepticism we'll see because i don't know who you know we don't know

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02:42:41.400 kill in shadow realm yep guard says i have a million questions about this case but the main

02:42:45.680 question i have is and i want to get your thoughts on this how this uh this college student with no

02:42:49.680 job afford four lawyers uh that they're all uh court appointed i looked it up they're all court

02:42:54.800 appointed and since this since this case is so severe and has so much um press um two of the

02:43:02.220 lawyers came from california uh like the guy novak apparently is a very good criminal defense

02:43:07.120 attorney a lot of people know about him very famous ah triple killed actually up kill tech

02:43:10.840 incoming and then um bad says uh what's wrong with halo 3 uh halo 3 just sucks compared to halo

02:43:16.240 um 2 that's the main reason let's get back to it uh the the accuracy in your mind of that part of

02:43:25.760 the compilation video not to my knowledge no and then the last thing is i believe is there's some

02:43:29.980 zooming in and zooming out that's in 12.1 that has been removed uh yes 12.4 what can you tell

02:43:35.060 us about the zooming in and zooming out uh predominantly it's in the area that was uh

02:43:39.040 referred to as viewing the low sea building rooftop i believe it focuses on the area where

02:43:44.000 mr robinson comes up all right so let's see what uh these guys said these are charlie's people

02:43:48.640 right after slightly wrong after we you know did the lunch break wrong just simply because

02:43:55.440 i'm not a lawyer but there are something called enhancements necessary for a death penalty case

02:44:01.660 this is now andrew and candace have gone back and forth with each other like crazy on twitter

02:44:07.900 You have to prove that it was done, the motive...

02:44:11.240 Has Candace went live chat?

02:44:13.200 Has she talked about this thing?

02:44:15.000 I want to see what she has to say.

02:44:18.500 Was done out of a political or religious...

02:44:21.200 Basically, the Supreme Court, when they briefly banned the death penalty

02:44:26.580 and then brought it back in the 70s, when they brought it back,

02:44:29.380 they said, you can't have the death penalty just be the default punishment.

02:44:34.660 Oh, she's on vacation? She's not streaming this?

02:44:36.740 Okay.

02:44:37.300 all right so she's gone for two weeks you guys said for first degree murder you need some sort

02:44:44.200 of aggravating factor and so states that have the death penalty such as utah have these

02:44:49.420 aggravating factors common ones is if you've committed murder before if you've uh if you

02:44:55.460 killed a law enforcement officer if you killed children if you killed several people and so what

02:45:00.400 they're going for here you can see this actually when they did the charging document they looked

02:45:04.180 for a few different reasons this is one reason for example they um i remember in the original

02:45:10.540 charging document they mentioned like other people were in the area so that they could claim

02:45:14.440 he was endangering the lives of uh minor yeah i was gonna say she's on x so there's other that's

02:45:21.220 why i thought she would be she'd be uh live people but the one that seems to be has ian carol went

02:45:26.520 live on it? I could check out his channel, too. Oh, shit. He hasn't been on in a month?

02:45:46.980 what the hell where's everybody where's everybody man i want to hear what they got to say about this

02:45:57.240 stuff be the strongest is that he was shooting kirk because uh shooting charlie because of his

02:46:07.260 baron coleman i don't know who that is who's that guy political beliefs and that is an aggravating

02:46:15.120 factor basically makes it a form of hate crime right uh and let's we we have the we have a

02:46:21.120 i'm gonna try and pull it up here uh team can you pull up the the text message exchange the

02:46:26.600 highlighted one yeah i've never i don't know who this guy is uh let's see here so his last stream

02:46:40.460 was yesterday let me look here

02:46:54.500 like what's his background like is he uh does he do like true crime or something or

02:47:10.460 all right i could take a look here this must be absolute bup oh hold on i gotta go live

02:47:21.880 there we go welcome in welcome in welcome in

02:47:33.080 guys we've had a never-ending crash out today from andrew colvette yes a never-ending crash

02:47:40.440 Crash out.

02:47:40.960 I don't know if you got to see it.

02:47:42.160 I don't know if his job's in jeopardy, if his liberty's in jeopardy.

02:47:45.260 I have no idea what's going on with this guy.

02:47:47.140 I have rarely.

02:47:48.960 Yeah, him and Candace Owens have been going back and forth with each other on Twitter.

02:47:52.920 Ever seen a PR professional crash out like Mr. Colvette has done over the last, I don't know, 18 hours or so.

02:48:03.640 It's been bad.

02:48:04.540 It's been really, really bad.

02:48:05.920 But, you know, hardcore drinkers do this when they get a little out of control.

02:48:10.500 They get manic drug users sometimes do this.

02:48:13.220 I'm not accusing him of either.

02:48:14.340 He might just be undisciplined, but we will examine that as the time arises to do so.

02:48:21.360 But welcome in, welcome in, welcome in.

02:48:23.160 We're going to have a big, big show today.

02:48:25.340 Like many of you, I spent a good chunk of the day reviewing the preliminary hearing from Utah.

02:48:31.740 I had one goal in mind.

02:48:34.600 I wanted to scale the mountain.

02:48:36.640 I was promised a mountain of evidence.

02:48:38.620 I was told there would be mountains of evidence.

02:48:41.820 There's a mountain of evidence.

02:48:43.940 I didn't see the mountain.

02:48:45.460 If I'm being honest, I saw no mountain.

02:48:47.260 I saw grainy footage.

02:48:49.340 I saw hearsay.

02:48:50.680 I saw, I didn't say it, but he said, I saw a lot of trust me, bro.

02:48:53.820 I saw no mountains.

02:48:55.240 I don't know when the mountains are coming.

02:48:56.700 Maybe they're small mountains.

02:48:59.300 Maybe we're quite literally making mountains out of mole hills.

02:49:04.100 but i'll be honest uh not only did the government not show any we had 200 000 guys uh do me a

02:49:11.160 favor keep keep smashing uh like button on uh tiktok guys let's get to 250k let's get to 250k

02:49:17.260 ninjas anything that would even approach reasonable doubt at a regular trial i think if the judge had

02:49:23.680 to rule based on today alone how could you even how could you even find that it continues onto a

02:49:30.260 trial i mean that was ludicrous and we will go through some of it we'll go through some of it

02:49:34.520 uh including cameras not working well tell me stop me if you've heard this one before

02:49:40.920 uh next thing you're going to tell me is that uh jeffrey uh uh einstein's camera stopped working

02:49:46.280 in the in the manhattan correctional center facility right as he took his own life oh

02:49:51.720 next thing you're going to tell me is the camera above tyler robinson while he was eating a steak

02:49:56.700 at the penguin steakhouse that stopped oh yeah both of those things are true as well and the

02:50:01.580 cops body cam stopped working guys there's a bunch we've got to go through yeah that was weird that

02:50:06.040 the patrolman's body cam didn't work the first witness there's a bunch we got to go through i

02:50:10.920 do want to set the stage it is day one and i've kind of shied away from from trial coverage or

02:50:16.840 i don't say trial coverage because pretty much a lot of what we've done the last 10 months has

02:50:20.680 been preparation for the trial, but I've shied away from kind of a blow by blow of daily court

02:50:27.000 hearings. And I'm going to violate that a little bit today because I thought there were several

02:50:31.640 interesting things that needed to be covered. So we will start at the beginning and we will work

02:50:36.320 our way through. I have a good opening that I did not, I kind of been holding it in the tank. I

02:50:40.100 wasn't sure when I wanted to do this opening, but today was the day. Today was the day we had the

02:50:45.120 Colvette crash out that necessitated the opening but we also had Stacey Sheridan and her two girls 0.98

02:50:50.960 show up well that was kind of harsh perhaps but Stacey Sheridan showed up for the trial

02:51:00.860 she she all of her showed up for the trial and all and and very little of it was covered

02:51:06.040 um and so she she sort of had handler vibes Andrew Colvette all day is basically admitted

02:51:11.600 to having handler vibes and so it was the perfect day to talk about handlers particularly handlers

02:51:19.200 when it comes to assets that don't know they're being handled this is something specific to the

02:51:24.920 spycraft arena but it is not rare it happens quite a bit and today seems like a perfect day to talk

02:51:34.320 about it because in the terms of spycraft, a handler is someone who directs an operation

02:51:41.700 and they do it on behalf of a principal. Rarely is the handler the organization that wants

02:51:48.860 something done. They usually hire some sort of an in-between. It's typically an intelligence

02:51:53.440 agency, but it can be any kind of an organization. The person being controlled by the handler

02:51:58.240 is called an asset and it's entirely possible and in fact it's quite operationally common for

02:52:04.920 someone to function as a handler while the asset remains completely or largely unaware he's being

02:52:12.920 handled in these scenarios the the agency or the organization still treats the interaction

02:52:19.000 as a managed intelligence operation but externally it relies on deception it relies on intermediaries

02:52:26.380 and it's it's it's accomplished through manipulation sometimes subtle manipulation

02:52:31.220 the asset in this situation that we're talking about where the handler is not known to be a

02:52:36.980 handler from the perspective of the asset it's it's sometimes called an unconscious agent or a

02:52:43.420 floater or an unwitting asset and what we okay it looks like they're back um but we'll uh wait

02:52:50.780 until they start yapping have here is an unwitting asset in this situation that will provide valuable

02:52:58.080 information all right so he's describing the relationship between you know obviously a source

02:53:03.940 and a uh a controlling agent or a handler perform useful actions all all while not realizing they're

02:53:11.980 assisting any kind of intelligence service or any other court is now in session all right so they're

02:53:19.020 back. Noting the presence of all council and all parties. All right, Mr. McBride, turning to the

02:53:27.480 state. Yes, Your Honor. Just by way of preview, we are going to call Jen Fowl-Moina, Sergeant with

02:53:38.400 the SBI. Okay, so they're going to put on another law enforcement witness from the Utah SBI.

02:53:49.020 How we're going to proceed is we're going to call her for a very limited purpose.

02:53:53.720 We're going to pause her testimony.

02:53:55.800 Defense is not going to cross at that time.

02:53:57.820 And we're going to call an FBI DNA analyst out of order.

02:54:02.180 It's a defense witness.

02:54:03.520 But that's to accommodate that witness's schedule.

02:54:06.840 Interesting.

02:54:07.900 Okay.

02:54:08.740 Sergeant Jen Fallon-Wena. 1.00

02:54:12.200 Okay, they're going to bring her in and swear in. 0.99

02:54:15.800 All right, guys, double tap the likes.

02:54:17.360 We're going in on three hours now

02:54:19.140 So guys, double tap the likes to get to 250,000

02:54:21.300 250,000 or else I'm going to turn the TikTok off 0.82

02:54:23.180 Be sworn in

02:54:47.360 all right after you're situated there should be a bottle of water to your left

02:54:55.520 maybe behind the monitor and if you wouldn't mind just bringing that microphone just a little bit

02:55:00.860 closer to you so it picks up your voice for the recording uh when they swear you in for court

02:55:06.120 it's not on a bible most of the time mr mcbride your witness will you please state your name that's

02:55:12.260 when you swear into office mostly yes jennifer famuina where do you work i work for the utah

02:55:17.840 department of public safety what position do you hold that's their state police basically

02:55:21.540 i'm currently a sergeant within the state bureau of investigation so she's a supervisor or well

02:55:27.300 no actually we'll see right now because i don't know if they're investigators or sergeants every

02:55:31.500 department is different what was your assignment um september 10th 2025 i was assigned to oversee

02:55:37.620 the crime scenes as well as the physical evidence.

02:55:40.240 And were you sergeant with the State Bureau of Investigation at that time as well?

02:55:45.080 Yes.

02:55:46.080 And do you have any kind of specialty in your assignment there?

02:55:49.860 Yes, I do.

02:55:52.020 I am currently overseeing or I am the team lead over our evidence response team within

02:55:57.500 our division.

02:55:59.120 That includes not only conducting training but also attending training and what not.

02:56:05.060 Okay.

02:56:06.180 So if we hear ERT, it means Evidence Response Team?

02:56:09.640 Yes.

02:56:10.800 Were you called to the crime scene at Utah Valley University on September 10th of 2025?

02:56:18.380 Yes, I was.

02:56:19.640 And were there multiple scenes that you oversaw or helped to process?

02:56:23.640 Yes.

02:56:24.500 We've had some testimony about the rooftop of the Low C Center.

02:56:29.260 Did you oversee the, or are you aware of evidence that was collected in that area?

02:56:35.060 Yes, I am.

02:56:36.180 Was there a screwdriver that was collected from that rooftop?

02:56:39.780 Yes.

02:56:40.400 And do you know how that was collected and what happened to that screwdriver?

02:56:45.700 Yes, that was collected by the Utah Bureau of Forensic Services Crime Scene Response Team,

02:56:50.320 or also known as our State Crime Lab.

02:56:53.100 And do you know what happened to that?

02:56:55.260 Yes, it was packaged, and then that evening there was discussion on who would take custody of the evidence,

02:57:01.740 and I was there along with FBI, and it was decided that FBI would take custody.

02:57:06.180 And did that evidence actually go to the FBI?

02:57:09.200 Yes, it did.

02:57:09.860 And was it sent for testing?

02:57:11.200 Yes, it was.

02:57:11.820 Where was it sent?

02:57:12.460 It was sent back to their, I guess, their...

02:57:16.800 Their lab probably in Quantico, Virginia.

02:57:18.980 Equivalent of our crime lab.

02:57:20.880 Okay.

02:57:23.720 Were there other crime...

02:57:25.080 Basically Quantico, which is where the FBI Academy is.

02:57:29.740 And I think their lab is there in Quantico as well, or in D.C., but same area.

02:57:32.740 Are there other areas there at Utah Valley University that were also processed for the

02:57:39.460 presence of evidence? Yes, there was. Is there a wooded area that's northeast of campus? Yes.

02:57:45.940 What was found in that wooded area? Well, it was found there was a long gun that was wrapped in a

02:57:52.200 dark colored towel. And you say a long gun. What does that mean, a long gun? Sorry, that would be

02:57:59.400 a rifle. So to be more specific, it was a Mauser 98 rifle. Do you know what caliber

02:58:07.820 that was? It was a retrofitted to a .30-06 barrel. And do you know what kind of action

02:58:15.240 that had? Was that a semi-automatic, automatic, bolt action? It was a bolt action. What is

02:58:19.900 a bolt action rifle? I'm not too familiar with guns, but I just know there's a bolt

02:58:25.340 and you have to pull it back okay um and what was done with that with that weapon and that towel

02:58:33.860 that was documented in place and then eventually uh pictures were taken sorry it was yeah guys um

02:58:40.960 it's not it's actually not that um crazy for a law enforcement officer to not be like a gun person

02:58:47.500 remember man you get assigned a gun you basically you know you get proficient with your gun and

02:58:51.800 that's it you know um unless you're like an atf agent or whatever uh a lot of law enforcement

02:58:57.260 officials are not going to be like super super aware of um of every single firearm like a gun

02:59:02.820 nut will gun nut will sorry put it in place and then afterwards we that's a very common

02:59:08.940 misconception that all cops are gun nuts they're really not that gun safe and then package the gun

02:59:15.200 yeah that's all they teach them make sure the gun is safe understand how to use your glock

02:59:19.940 understand how to use an m4 a shotgun that's about it break it down clean it other than that

02:59:26.300 it is what it is as well as the towel what was done with the towel after it was packaged

02:59:31.720 the towel was also provided to the fbi and uh those two items well let me tie up that thread

02:59:42.040 the gun what was done with the gun the gun was packaged um it was taken to fbi custody then

02:59:48.940 eventually it was provided to the atf lab okay so the gun went to the atf lab is that correct yes

02:59:56.160 the towel went to the fbi lab yes and the screwdriver went to the fbi lab yes did you

03:00:03.360 receive reports back from testing that had been done on those items yes i did i'd like to show

03:00:08.680 states exhibit 31 hey top j mark levin i appreciate you bro uh does they have to bring every witness

03:00:19.940 to this hearing no they don't they don't and that's why they're actually a big reason why

03:00:23.700 they're bringing law enforcement in is because uh with law enforcement they're able to kind of like

03:00:27.380 consolidate a lot of the other witnesses remember guys you bring in the main case agent he already

03:00:31.140 interviewed all the main witnesses so you bring him in and he can recap what each witness told

03:00:35.000 them, right? And hearsay is admissible. So that's why they are bringing in law enforcement for the

03:00:40.340 most part. Preliminary hearings almost always heavily rely upon law enforcement. It's the trial

03:00:45.440 where you have to bring the actual witness in and have them testify. But for prelims, you don't need

03:00:49.460 to do that. That's why all three of the witnesses so far that have come forward have been law

03:00:58.480 enforcement. First, the campus police officer. Second, the case agent. Now we got the sergeant

03:01:03.080 who was involved in a case as well.

03:01:14.380 I'll wait for them to do this.

03:01:15.680 Guys, smash that like button on TikTok. 0.98

03:01:17.400 We got 220,000 plus of you ninjas in here.

03:01:19.880 Or sorry, well, likes.

03:01:21.500 So let's get to a quarter million.

03:01:22.900 Double tap your screen if you guys are watching this on TikTok.

03:01:25.180 I know a lot of you guys are watching on your phone,

03:01:26.360 so double tap the screen.

03:01:33.080 I think that's connected to a defense computer right now.

03:01:40.060 Is there any way to switch it?

03:01:42.100 The court will admit State's Exhibit 31 into evidence

03:01:47.900 and allow publication of this exhibit to the gallery

03:01:53.080 and to the monitor on screen in the courtroom

03:01:57.260 and for the camera to broadcast.

03:02:03.080 Okay, if you'll go to, Kimberly, if you'll scroll down to, see on page one where the screen will show items seven and eight.

03:02:13.360 Sergeant Falamwina, do you see the lines there that say item seven, that line?

03:02:18.460 Yes.

03:02:19.440 And will you read that portion of the report that describes what item seven is?

03:02:25.100 Item seven, Tau from around Mauser Rebifle, serial number 8863.

03:02:31.800 And there's also some other identification numbers.

03:02:35.440 Is that the towel that you found with the rifle that day?

03:02:38.620 Yes, it is.

03:02:39.080 On September 10th?

03:02:40.000 Yes.

03:02:41.180 Item eight.

03:02:42.640 I remember, guys, when you guys asked me about that thing,

03:02:44.560 what was it, what was covering the gun or whatever?

03:02:46.740 That's the towel that we're talking about.

03:02:47.860 That was the towel that Tyler Robinson laid upon, allegedly,

03:02:51.260 on the gravel when he took the shot in the prone position.

03:02:55.200 And he left the screwdriver at the scene.

03:02:58.260 that's why he had to leave the gun in the forest because he left the screwdriver on accident

03:03:03.100 at the top of the roof allegedly um and he wasn't able to put the uh take the gun apart

03:03:08.100 and since he couldn't take the gun apart he couldn't conceal it since he couldn't conceal

03:03:10.940 it he had to leave it in the woods wrapped in the towel read what that says is a description of item

03:03:16.300 eight at least that's the official narrative i'm explaining you guys the official narrative like i

03:03:20.200 said before because we're talking about the prelim here eight screwdriver from perch and is that the

03:03:26.280 screwdriver that you've described that was collected from the rooftop? Yes. Okay.

03:03:35.520 If we can go to page three of six, please.

03:03:42.160 Will you, item seven, sub one, will you please read the result there

03:03:46.760 from the title item seven until the word contributors?

03:03:56.280 And would you mind to repeat that?

03:04:08.820 But with the microphone, I want to make sure that the right.

03:04:10.720 Yeah, I was going to say the defense is it seems like they're objecting.

03:04:13.380 Let's see. Picks up your objection.

03:04:20.520 All right. Either way, if you want to come up, that's fine.

03:04:22.900 judge the objection is that her reading to the court what's in the report is cumulative since

03:04:29.360 we have the analysts here who will be testifying to what the report says and what it means so

03:04:34.860 you've got the report in evidence we don't need this witnesses reading the report to the court

03:04:40.500 yeah so they're like hey she doesn't need to read it bro it's right there and and they got

03:04:46.680 the dna analyst from the fbi there so they're trying to get the sergeant off the stand essentially

03:04:50.900 So it's a 403 cumulative objection.

03:04:55.180 Mr. McBride, do you wish to respond?

03:04:58.440 My point is only to draw your attention, Your Honor, to the relevant results that will be discussed by the other expert,

03:05:07.060 as well as the results of the items we've discussed, the towel and the screwdriver. That's all.

03:05:14.480 All right. The court will overrule the objection and allow a brief overview of it, not going line by line, page by page.

03:05:24.140 So if it is brief, I'll allow that.

03:05:27.420 Thank you. So if you'll read item 7-1 to the word contributors at the top of that page, if you will.

03:05:35.080 Yes. Male DNA was obtained from item 7-1.

03:05:38.880 Sub 1. Item 7. Sub 1 was interpreted as originating from two individuals, one of whom is Twigs.

03:05:45.880 The DNA results from item 7. Sub 1 and are 1.7 octillion times more likely if Twigs and T. Robinson are contributors

03:05:54.900 than if Twigs and an unknown, unrelated person are contributors.

03:05:59.140 Thank you. Let's skip down to item 8.1. Do you see that bolded and underlined line there?

03:06:05.560 Yes.

03:06:05.740 And this is relating to swabs of the handle area of the screwdriver?

03:06:11.480 Is that right?

03:06:12.640 Yes.

03:06:13.100 Will you read those same two paragraphs there, male DNA ending with contributors?

03:06:19.280 Male DNA was obtained from item 8 sub 1.

03:06:23.040 Item 8 sub 1 was interpreted as originating from two individuals, one of whom is Twiggs.

03:06:28.220 The DNA results from item 8 sub 1 are 30 quintillion times more likely if Twiggs and T. Robinson are contributors

03:06:36.300 than if Twiggs and an unknown, unrelated person are contributors.

03:06:40.860 Okay, thank you.

03:06:42.320 A couple of foundational questions before we finish for now.

03:06:46.440 First off, do you know who Twiggs is?

03:06:48.380 Yes.

03:06:48.780 Who is Twiggs?

03:06:49.920 Twiggs is Lance Twiggs.

03:06:51.720 He was a roommate of Mr. Tyler Robinson.

03:06:56.480 And do you know if Lance Twiggs' DNA was obtained for comparison in this test?

03:07:04.800 Yes, it was.

03:07:05.740 And how was that DNA obtained?

03:07:07.760 It was obtained by law enforcement officers.

03:07:10.400 And was that by a buckle swab?

03:07:12.520 Yes.

03:07:13.120 What is a buckle swab?

03:07:14.520 Inside the mouth, I think.

03:07:15.840 A buckle swab is basically like a Q-tip or a swab that we'll just place in someone's mouth

03:07:21.060 and just scrub the inside of their mouth to obtain the cells.

03:07:25.540 And then that Q-tip is then packaged and sent to the lab for testing and comparison?

03:07:30.700 Yes.

03:07:31.500 And was the defendant, Tyler Robinson's DNA, also collected in the same manner?

03:07:35.700 Yes, it was.

03:07:36.680 Okay.

03:07:38.000 Thank you.

03:07:38.680 Nothing else.

03:07:40.480 All right.

03:07:40.920 Mr. Burt, cross-examination.

03:07:42.340 I think he's going to cross-examine her after.

03:07:52.160 Would you mind grabbing the microphone?

03:07:54.140 I just want to make sure what you say is on the record.

03:08:03.180 With the court's permission, I'd like to reserve the right to cross-examine on the area she testified about until she's completed her testimony.

03:08:10.300 Okay, I didn't, so, okay, I see what you're saying.

03:08:14.380 Any input, Mr. McBride?

03:08:21.400 Okay, so he only wants to cross-examine her once.

03:08:23.300 He wants all of her testimony to be done before he tries to cross.

03:08:27.460 Because they want to bring in the DNA person. 0.98

03:08:30.960 Your Honor, that's what we expected to happen. 0.76

03:08:33.040 We discussed this beforehand.

03:08:34.440 We stipulate.

03:08:35.340 All right.

03:08:35.960 That's fine.

03:08:37.400 And so should I have the sergeant step down?

03:08:41.680 Yes.

03:08:42.240 Okay.

03:08:42.860 Sergeant, if you'd like to step down, you're still under oath,

03:08:45.440 and so please don't discuss your testimony with anyone.

03:08:48.740 And is she being asked to exit the courtroom,

03:08:52.000 or what's the request of the yes to exit yeah they're gonna kick her out all by the way guys

03:08:56.660 as if you're a witness you cannot sit in the courtroom so every time i testified in uh prelim

03:09:01.060 i had to sit outside and wait until i uh testified and that that's for uh trial as well they bring

03:09:07.140 you in only for that and then they kick you out after the courtroom at this time for obvious

03:09:11.120 reasons agent if you wouldn't mind exiting the courtroom and then we'll come get you when we're

03:09:15.320 ready for you all right thank you all right mr burt turning to you your honor out of order the

03:09:23.920 defense would be calling uh amanda baker all right ms baker i think this is the fbi um dna person

03:09:34.920 if i'm not mistaken guys we're at 240 smash that double tap on um on tic-tac ninjas

03:09:42.200 all right miss baker if you wouldn't mind coming forward uh right up here by the bailiff and being

03:09:55.100 sworn in you just all may swear that the testimony you shall give in the case now

03:10:08.860 A penny before the court will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

03:10:12.980 Put your phone on silent, dude.

03:10:14.220 Holy.

03:10:15.560 Yo, judges lose their minds when attorneys don't put their phones on silent.

03:10:18.940 Truth, so help you God.

03:10:20.120 Look at the death theories given to this attorney right here.

03:10:25.420 All right, Ms. Baker, if you wouldn't mind being seated at the witness stand, once you're

03:10:32.000 situated.

03:10:32.660 Oh, God.

03:10:33.160 What's going on?

03:10:33.560 Where is it?

03:10:34.420 Bro, what's going on with the food in Utah, bro?

03:10:38.860 there should be a water bottle for you if you'd like behind the monitor and after you're seated

03:10:49.440 if you wouldn't mind just pulling that microphone close to you so it picks up your voice okay okay

03:10:54.940 mr. burt your witness we're going to need the monitor switched over to our side if we could

03:11:01.220 while we're doing that good afternoon good afternoon tell us your name please

03:11:07.940 Hi, good afternoon. My name is Amanda Baker. My last name is spelled B-A-K-K-E-R.

03:11:14.180 Ms. Baker, what do you do for a living?

03:11:16.200 I am a forensic examiner in the DNA casework unit of the FBI laboratory located in Quantico, Virginia.

03:11:22.700 Boom, I told you, ninjas.

03:11:24.780 And guys, the beginning always when they bring the witness on is they ask them their expertise, their background, etc.

03:11:29.340 So this is very normal to do this. So they know who she is, what her expertise is, and what her role was in the investigation.

03:11:35.560 And how long have you been a DNA analyst at that location?

03:11:39.800 A little more than 10 years.

03:11:42.080 And just in general, what are your duties?

03:11:44.440 My duties are to manage a case.

03:11:46.260 When a case comes into the DNA Casework Unit, I will review any information associated with that case.

03:11:52.960 I will review any evidence that is submitted for that case,

03:11:56.400 determine which items of evidence need to be tested and which tests need to be performed.

03:12:01.120 I will then create something called an exam plan.

03:12:03.740 You can think of this like a to-do list to let the biologist know which items I need tested.

03:12:09.660 Once that testing is complete, I will review all the data, draw conclusions in the form of a report, and then testify if needed.

03:12:19.780 Ms. Baker, in this case, were you requested by the state of Utah?

03:12:23.260 Hey, Top J says, I know it's up top, but in Utah they have a caffeine problem.

03:12:27.640 They like to drink a lot of sodas.

03:12:29.080 I see what you're saying there.

03:12:30.280 Well, she's from Virginia, so a little bit different.

03:12:33.740 you taught to do certain testing yes i was and when were you called upon to do that testing

03:12:40.560 uh that was september of 2025 and you recall when the case first came into your lab

03:12:47.800 i believe we received evidence the first shout out to all the mods getting rid of the trash in

03:12:52.840 the tiktok chat i appreciate the mods on tiktok thank you guys keep smack double tap your screen

03:12:57.360 though guys let's get to 250 000 let's go this is the best coverage that you guys got on tiktok

03:13:01.740 on this trial by far double tap the screen ninjas this time was september 11th of 2025

03:13:07.580 and just in general when the fbi your unit receives uh evidence for analysis yeah i see

03:13:17.000 ophelia you're getting rid of the trash i appreciate you on tiktok thank you is it true

03:13:21.160 that the okay so media said bro stop the pausing okay bro how about this one how about you stop

03:13:24.900 being in the chat enjoy the shadow on my friend time to send you to the shadow round

03:13:31.740 The future is mine.

03:13:34.340 Now you can enjoy over there.

03:13:35.480 Now you're paused from the chat forever.

03:13:40.940 Turnaround time is about 200 days?

03:13:44.500 It depends.

03:13:45.900 We've wavered between 90 days and over 200 days.

03:13:51.180 I would say on average, it's somewhere between 180 and 200 days.

03:13:55.000 However, did this case come in on what's called a priority one level?

03:14:00.160 Yes, it did.

03:14:00.800 And what that means is we worked 24 hours a day, seven days a week until examinations were complete.

03:14:08.180 And is it true that you were still you were conducting the analysis as the evidence was being inventoried?

03:14:15.900 That is true because of the high profile nature of this case.

03:14:20.620 An item of evidence would be submitted to the lab.

03:14:23.600 It would be inventoried by our evidence management group and then sent to the various units for testing.

03:14:28.800 for example, the DNA case work unit, we would begin testing as additional evidence was being

03:14:34.260 delivered to the FBI lab. Now, as a result of your analysis, do you produce case files? Yes,

03:14:41.580 I do. And document your examination in other ways? Yes. Do you have your case file with you? Yes,

03:14:47.040 I do. Okay. And in your case file, are there notes of conversations that you have with people

03:14:55.300 that are relevant to your testing.

03:14:58.320 Yes, that's called our communication log.

03:15:01.280 Now, do you have your case file there in front of you?

03:15:04.860 Yes, I do.

03:15:06.300 I think the pages are numbered.

03:15:09.980 So I'll ask you to go to page 22 of your case file notes.

03:15:24.740 Okay.

03:15:25.300 and if i could direct your attention to the bottom of that page there is a communication

03:15:32.080 log entry dated september 13th do you see what i'm referring to yes i do and would you read

03:15:40.860 to the court what your entry is for that date yes this is my communication date excuse me

03:15:47.780 communication entry on september 13th 2025 all spoke with fbi special agent folger and utah sbi

03:15:57.160 sa dave hull gave technically reviewed results that robinson was included as a possible all guys

03:16:04.580 was the first guy that that was the guy that testified before with the um accent that was

03:16:09.920 and then uh boger this other fbi agent that she mentioned i'm willing to assume that's probably

03:16:14.360 going to be the fbi case agent because the fbi opened up their own case atf opened up a case

03:16:18.600 obviously sbi is leading the investigation they have their case open but uh that was probably the

03:16:23.400 the um the liaison uh or the middleman uh for which hall was able to work with the fbi

03:16:29.640 because obviously you can't use fbi resource like this without having an agent on the case

03:16:35.960 to some degree contributor to the dna from the towel and the screwdriver we discussed the

03:16:41.340 additional examination an FBI agent on the case to some degree is conducted by DCU and they both

03:16:47.280 agreed that no additional immediate comparisons are needed at this time all remaining comparisons

03:16:53.200 will be in the laboratory report is that an accurate reflection of what you told the agents

03:16:58.640 at that time yes it is and you told them that quote Robinson was included as a possible

03:17:05.860 contributor to the DNA from the towel and the screwdriver, correct?

03:17:10.020 Yes.

03:17:10.280 Was the language that you used in conformity with requirements that you have for reporting out test results?

03:17:17.980 Yes.

03:17:18.840 All right.

03:17:19.300 I'd now like to direct your attention, if I could, to Exhibit Number, States Exhibit 31,

03:17:28.440 which is in evidence, and I think it's R, Tab 2.

03:17:31.800 And that's in evidence, so if you could display that on the screen.

03:17:42.920 Mr. Burt, are you requesting it to be displayed to just your screens or to all screens?

03:17:46.940 No, since it's in evidence, I'd like it displayed to the public.

03:17:51.600 Okay, let's go ahead and put it on the main monitor as well.

03:17:54.880 Okay, could you go to page six, please, and highlight the third paragraph?

03:18:17.160 This is your report dated September 15, 2025, correct?

03:18:25.460 Yes, that is correct.

03:18:26.500 So this is two days after you had the conversation with the agents as to what your results were.

03:18:31.820 That is correct, yes.

03:18:32.600 And in your report that you wrote two days later, you included this language that's highlighted there, correct?

03:18:39.900 That is correct.

03:18:41.240 This report conforms to the Department of Justice uniform language for testimony and reports for forensic DNA examinations.

03:18:50.840 Correct?

03:18:51.980 Yes.

03:18:52.640 Okay.

03:18:52.940 Now, I'd like you, if you could, to take a look at that standard that you referenced.

03:19:03.240 And then I believe is that, and this will be just to the witness, not to the public.

03:19:10.720 Okay.

03:19:13.080 Calling up tab seven.

03:19:18.880 Do you see that on your screen?

03:19:21.600 Yes, I do.

03:19:22.040 Do you recognize this document?

03:19:25.280 Yes, I do.

03:19:26.460 And tell the court what this is.

03:19:28.720 This document is the approved standards for scientific testimony and reports for autosomal DNA testing.

03:19:35.860 And is this the document that you were referencing in your report?

03:19:40.400 One of them, yes.

03:19:41.440 And is it a true and accurate statement of what the policy of the FBI is in regard to reporting DNA in a case of this type?

03:19:49.140 Yes.

03:19:50.080 I move that document into evidence, Your Honor.

03:19:53.620 So is it just this page or all the pages?

03:19:57.060 Because it says one of six.

03:19:59.100 Yes, so this would be the entire document.

03:20:01.760 Mr. McBride?

03:20:04.980 I don't see the relevance of this document.

03:20:08.620 I object on relevance grounds.

03:20:11.040 Mr. Burt?

03:20:12.400 Your Honor, the document is referenced in your report,

03:20:15.280 and it defines the parameters of what her opinion means.

03:20:20.360 So I think it's very important for the court to understand.

03:20:23.020 I will say this is a little interesting how the defense is calling an FBI DNA examiner.

03:20:28.480 This little, I'm not, I am a little, that is a little strange.

03:20:32.220 I will say that, but let's keep watching.

03:20:34.660 Let's see what happens here. 1.00

03:20:35.880 Normally this would be a government witness because obviously she's a government employee. 1.00

03:20:39.260 ...imitations of the opinions being expressed.

03:20:42.480 And just from my understanding, when you say in her report, are you referring to States Exhibit 31?

03:20:47.320 That's correct.

03:20:48.280 All right.

03:20:48.520 Mr. McBride, any further thoughts?

03:20:50.160 No, I'll submit it.

03:20:50.820 All right.

03:20:51.640 So States Exhibit, well, I'm sorry, how am I labeling this exhibit for the defense?

03:20:57.860 Your Honor, we have our exhibits organized by witness,

03:21:02.720 and we would be submitting to the court electronic copies of these under named witnesses.

03:21:10.280 So this would be baked.

03:21:11.360 Hey, yo, Matty P, thank you for the 10 gifted, bro.

03:21:16.380 Appreciate it.

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03:21:22.540 So.

03:21:23.720 Baker 7.

03:21:26.320 All right.

03:21:27.300 Defense exhibit Baker 7 is admitted into evidence.

03:21:31.880 And as it relates to publication, what is your request, Mr. Burt?

03:21:35.220 Your Honor, I would ask that this be published since the report is published.

03:21:39.120 and this is important to understanding the limitations of the report.

03:21:43.860 And so published in the courtroom and on the monitor for the media?

03:21:47.040 Yes, correct.

03:21:48.340 Any thoughts, Mr. McBride?

03:21:52.580 No objection.

03:21:53.760 All right.

03:21:54.080 It will be admitted and published both in the courtroom

03:21:57.000 and on the monitor for the video camera.

03:22:09.120 Okay. So this document has various subjects, correct?

03:22:14.480 That is correct, Jess.

03:22:15.740 And it, in the beginning, tells you how to frame your testimony in terms of inclusions or exclusions, mixtures, sex determination, et cetera.

03:22:27.980 Correct, Jess.

03:22:28.640 And then there's a section called statements not approved for FBI autosomal DNA testimony in our laboratory reports.

03:22:39.120 That is correct, yes.

03:22:40.860 Okay.

03:22:41.420 So if we could go to page five for that statement.

03:22:57.840 Okay.

03:22:58.480 under the topic absolute identification is it the policy of the fbi when you're reporting out

03:23:06.220 results that an examiner may not state or imply that a match provides an absolute identification

03:23:15.480 of the individual okay this is why he okay i think i'm trying to see why i'm starting to see

03:23:20.260 why they brought her on here role from whom the biological material originated that is correct

03:23:26.520 And you were following that policy in this case when you told the investigators that this was a possible match, correct?

03:23:34.020 That is correct, yes.

03:23:34.740 You never said it was an absolute identification of Mr. Robinson, did you?

03:23:38.660 Correct. No, I did not.

03:23:39.540 Now, the second guidance under that policy is an examiner shall not use the expressions reasonable degree of scientific certainty, reasonable scientific certainty, or similar assertions of reasonable certainty in either reports or testimony unless required to do so by a judge or applicable law.

03:24:03.080 You're not, and your report did not use any conclusion, any language that suggested you were giving an opinion to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty.

03:24:13.900 That is correct.

03:24:14.580 It was not.

03:24:15.260 Okay.

03:24:17.340 And then the next one, not that one, one more down.

03:24:22.800 I'm not going to talk about race, ethnicity.

03:24:25.460 That doesn't apply to this case, right?

03:24:27.600 but 5.4 says an examiner may not state or imply that forensic autosomal DNA examinations have a

03:24:39.140 zero error rate or are infallible that is correct and you followed that policy in this case correct

03:24:46.720 yes I did you're not in your report stating to the court that your testing has a zero error rate

03:24:54.420 correct correct you're not saying that the test is infallible i am not no what is the source of

03:25:01.000 error rates in dna testing i'm sorry can you clarify your question yeah when it refers to

03:25:08.600 don't state that there is a zero error rate what in general are the sources of error

03:25:15.020 in dna in the kind of dna testing that you do a human error could be an error

03:25:21.160 Anything else?

03:25:29.280 Not that I can think of off the top of my head.

03:25:31.440 One of the big things is potential human error.

03:25:34.480 I guess you could also associate the DNA testing itself

03:25:39.800 and how items are collected or how those items are tested.

03:25:45.640 Now, to your knowledge,

03:25:47.580 That policy statement that we just read in Exhibit 7, Baker 7, was based on a more general Department of Justice policy, correct?

03:25:58.520 Correct, yes.

03:25:59.380 And that policy is called the Department of Justice Uniform Language for Testimony and Reports for Forensic Autosomal DNA Examinations Using Probabilistic Genotyping Systems, correct?

03:26:13.200 That is correct, yes.

03:26:13.920 And could you display eight for us, please, to the witness?

03:26:17.580 so i think that the goal here by the defense is they're trying to show that um

03:26:24.040 just because there's like a dna reporting doesn't mean it's 100 spot on which i mean i in theory

03:26:30.540 you can always say that they never say it's 1000 they always say you know the likelihood of finding

03:26:34.940 someone else with this dna is one in a trillion or something like that but i'm trying to figure

03:26:38.560 out why he's going this route so we'll see

03:26:40.360 that are 40 and 50 years old, and we've been able to recover DNA.

03:26:55.440 Now, could you explain to the court the concept of degradation of DNA samples,

03:27:00.980 what that means, and what it suggests with your testing?

03:27:05.020 Sure. So degradation of DNA is breaking up the DNA. So if you think of DNA,

03:27:10.360 like a long rope, it's essentially taking that rope

03:27:12.760 and cutting it up into pieces.

03:27:15.800 Degradation, seeing degradation in a sample

03:27:18.760 could lend me to believe that there may be,

03:27:22.480 that that sample may have been subjected to cleaning

03:27:25.300 or high heat, an extended period of time.

03:27:29.040 So I really, I can't tell why an item is degraded,

03:27:31.980 but looking at my data, I can tell if that sample

03:27:34.480 is potentially degraded or broken down.

03:27:36.380 And two of the items that you examined were referred to as items 7 and 8, correct?

03:27:45.540 That is correct, yes.

03:27:46.400 One was a towel and one was a screwdriver.

03:27:49.160 That is correct, yes.

03:27:50.520 Were both those samples degraded to a certain extent?

03:27:55.140 May I refer to my data?

03:28:06.380 now whenever you have witnesses like this like all they can really testify to is like the data

03:28:22.560 and the numbers and like the facts like uh this is what you would call like maybe like an

03:28:25.700 this would be considered like like an expert witness right where they kind of just testify

03:28:29.880 off there they're not really intimately involved in the investigation or they even know what was

03:28:34.440 going down all they know is they generated a report or looked at something or analyzed something

03:28:39.120 um in an investigation know that all they're going to do is they're going to have the limited

03:28:43.020 purview of testifying to what they analyzed um so that's kind of what is going on in this situation

03:28:48.880 so item eight was the screwdriver from the perch 0.98

03:28:54.420 okay we got an idiot in the tiktok chat he says maran how do you have an input in this if you're 1.00

03:28:59.740 an hsi 1.00

03:29:04.440 mouth breather chat or what 1.00

03:29:19.560 dude definitely has tick-tock brain bro what an idiot um i would say that there was some 1.00

03:29:28.680 degradation. As I look at the DNA peaks or the DNA data, in an ideal world, if there's no 1.00

03:29:34.940 degradation, I would expect all the peaks to be at the same height. Here I see a ski slope type

03:29:40.660 effect, meaning that the data on the left is a little bit taller than the data on the right.

03:29:45.440 As far as item 7, item 7 was the towel.

03:29:59.040 I think someone already banned them.

03:30:00.960 I didn't even have to do anything.

03:30:01.760 I think someone already sent them to the shadow realm.

03:30:05.020 There was a slight amount of degradation, but not as much as item 8.

03:30:09.640 Okay.

03:30:10.680 and what is the effect of degradation on production of the

03:30:17.380 first of all what's an allele i think they're trying to hurt the quality of the of whatever

03:30:23.380 they found on the towel guys um or the screwdriver so i think that might be why he's going down this 0.95

03:30:28.760 road but yeah for the idiot out there yes i used to work in federal law enforcement so i understand 0.98

03:30:34.180 how law enforcement does investigations and i understand how the fbi works and how these state 1.00

03:30:38.060 agency's work so it's ridiculous i even have to explain this to this idiot but it's like yeah dude 0.96

03:30:43.780 like what i think i'll probably don't probably and i don't want to even be cocky about this 0.95

03:30:49.560 we're just gonna say it um i am by far the most experienced law enforcement guy on the internet

03:30:55.480 by far okay all these other people that i've seen like give their you know their background or

03:31:01.540 whatever like they haven't done anything in their careers when i was when i was an agent i was

03:31:05.680 literally running and gunning every day. Okay. I was testifying a grand jury. I was doing title

03:31:10.940 three intercepts. I was writing search warrants all the time. I was writing criminal complaints.

03:31:15.240 I was leading big cases. I was doing OCDFs. Like I was literally doing it all. Okay. Like a lot of

03:31:20.820 these, um, a lot of these FBI agents are like these law enforcement people that they bring on

03:31:24.760 these, like to be pundits on these talk shows. They don't know shit. And they haven't done half 0.99

03:31:28.400 of what I did when I was in my career. Why? Because I started my career on the Southwest

03:31:31.880 border in laredo texas literally every single day we were hitting a house doing something most

03:31:37.880 federal agents just so you guys know they might do one criminal case every five years your typical

03:31:42.440 fbi agent like might not even lead a case until like halfway through their career where they're

03:31:48.780 like the case agent writing affidavits etc so when if you take my experience and you put it up against

03:31:55.140 any of these pundits on these news shows or whatever i will run laps around them okay so i 0.92

03:32:00.980 don't want to say like an asshole or whatever but sometimes i got to remind people that i know what 0.99

03:32:04.760 the fuck i'm talking about and not only do i know what the fuck i'm talking about i know it to a 0.99

03:32:09.000 more significant degree than any other law enforcement professional that'd be talking 0.99

03:32:13.360 about talking about anything on these talk shows okay that's why someone said john kiriaco bro 1.00

03:32:18.980 john kiriaco's not even law enforcement bro are you stupid like this is what i'm talking about 0.99

03:32:23.160 dude like he's not he's cia cia is not law enforcement like the fact that you even brought 0.99

03:32:29.100 up his name as moronic and that's what i'm trying to explain like people don't even know what they 0.99

03:32:32.940 don't know it's incredible how dumb people are so every now and then i got to give you guys a 0.99

03:32:39.100 reminder like i know what the fuck i'm talking about i i'll give you guys a break because i 0.98

03:32:43.220 know we're on tiktok right now and a lot of you guys are new here and you guys don't know my 0.64

03:32:46.420 background but that's what i did for a very long time an allele is an individual's dna type so we

03:32:55.500 inherit half of our DNA from our mom and half of our DNA from our dad, we're looking at something

03:33:00.620 called short tandem repeats, or STRs. These are small segments of DNA that repeat themselves over

03:33:06.980 and over again. We all have those same sections of DNA, but what might differ amongst us is how

03:33:13.440 many times it repeats, and that's actually what we inherit from our parents. So for example, at one

03:33:18.640 particular location, my mom may give me 14 repeats and my dad may give me 15. So when I'm looking at

03:33:24.980 the DNA types, I would say that I have two alleles at that location, a 14 and a 15. As far as

03:33:31.900 degradation goes, it could cause some of those alleles to do something called drop out. Meaning

03:33:37.260 when I'm looking at the DNA chart or the DNA data, I do not see information. I do not obtain

03:33:43.160 numbers at that particular section of DNA. And is it true that in the testing, and I'm looking at

03:33:50.020 the chat guys, if you ask good questions, I'll definitely like answer them. I've seen some people

03:33:53.680 ask some pretty good questions um my super chat is broken right now so uh if you're watching on

03:33:59.840 kick just send in a kick ask questions on there that's the best way um but yeah that you were

03:34:07.100 doing in this case or send in a rumble rant if you're watching on rumble str testing what you

03:34:12.660 were looking at is the length of the what i'll call have you ever heard the boxcar analogy

03:34:20.280 I have, yes.

03:34:21.440 Tell the court what that is.

03:34:22.480 So the boxcar analogy is how many times that section of DNA repeats.

03:34:27.840 So that section is essentially letters.

03:34:30.840 So, for example, ACTG.

03:34:33.240 So you may have ACTG repeated 10 times or 12 times.

03:34:38.400 Each of those sections of ACTG would be considered one boxcar.

03:34:44.520 And so when you're looking for alleles, you're essentially counting the boxcars.

03:34:49.860 could be seven boxcars and that that person so he's setting up all guys you guys are probably

03:34:54.620 wondering why is he going down this line of questioning what i think he's going to do here

03:34:58.120 is he's going to like like kind of get everyone to understand how dna works and everything else

03:35:03.140 like that and then he's going to try to um probably uh attack the credibility or attack

03:35:09.440 the evidence which is more than likely going to be the screwdriver in the dna as you guys know

03:35:12.660 um tyler robinson's dna was found on the screwdriver and i think on the towel and they

03:35:18.180 found um and that's what they found in the woods well they found a screwdriver on top of the

03:35:22.140 building and they found the towel in the woods wrapped around the gun person would be a seven

03:35:27.640 that is correct yes and from the mom and from the dad he may have inherited 10 boxcars that is

03:35:35.840 correct yes and so that person at that particular location would be a 17 mind did everything about

03:35:41.680 joining fbi i was actually hired by the fbi i just didn't finish the process um but yeah i was an

03:35:46.580 agent with hsi bro all the agencies are basically you're they're all special agents they're all 18

03:35:51.100 11 same job series get paid the same same thing the only difference between the different federal

03:35:55.800 agencies is like obviously your mission is different like the investigative you know power

03:36:00.640 and what you do like every agency is different right like fbi prioritizes uh terrorism and

03:36:05.700 counterintelligence hsi does more you know um crimes that have an international nexus uh atf

03:36:12.680 It does guns and explosives and firearms, obviously, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms.

03:36:17.680 IRS is financial, right?

03:36:20.040 DEA is drugs.

03:36:20.880 It's in the name, right?

03:36:22.560 So every agency kind of has exclusive authorities that other agencies might not.

03:36:29.600 Yes.

03:36:30.360 And what you're doing in your testing is comparing those numbers to what you get from a known sample to see if they match.

03:36:38.380 That is correct, yes.

03:36:39.100 Is that true?

03:36:39.680 Yes.

03:36:39.940 Now, is it true that you mentioned the A, C, T, and G, correct?

03:36:45.460 Correct, yes.

03:36:46.520 Is it true that you are not measuring the sequence within the boxcars?

03:36:51.860 You're just measuring the length of the boxcars?

03:36:55.180 That is correct.

03:36:55.960 So the sequence would be equivalent to letters in a word.

03:37:01.060 What I'm looking at is the number of words.

03:37:03.940 Someone asked if Tyler pled anything.

03:37:05.300 No, Tyler has not pled anything.

03:37:07.040 He hasn't even been indicted yet, guys.

03:37:09.940 there's the letters that make up that word and we'll talk about this a little later but people

03:37:14.780 can vary not only in the length of the boxcars but in the sequence within the boxcars right

03:37:21.240 and that is correct yes and what you're testing looks at is just the length correct yes okay 0.99

03:37:27.700 now someone said our alcohol tobacco on farms illegal no man no dude are you dumb no 0.97

03:37:36.000 but they're regulated. So that's what the ATF does. It regulates it, right? Make sure that 0.97

03:37:41.660 people are in compliance of those three things. For the, and is it also true that you're looking

03:37:49.900 across many different locations? Yes. So at the FBI laboratory, we use a kit called Global Filer,

03:37:58.440 and this is looking at 21 different locations on a human's DNA, in addition to three sex

03:38:04.740 determining locations that lets me know if an individual is biologically a male or a female

03:38:09.300 um as between two individuals 99 of their dna is exactly the same right that is correct um and

03:38:18.660 that makes sense we're all humans we all have arms why the twigs been charged because he's

03:38:22.780 probably cooperating with the law with law enforcement that's why he didn't get charged 0.58

03:38:25.760 legs he might even testify in his prelim um but he's not going to testify in person if he does

03:38:30.760 Then ahead, less than 1% of our DNA is what different, it differs amongst us with the exception of identical twins.

03:38:38.680 But within that 1%, you're looking at these length differences, correct?

03:38:44.160 Correct, yes.

03:38:44.840 And you're looking at what you called short tandem repeats.

03:38:48.720 Yes.

03:38:49.240 How many, you said you looked at 25 locations?

03:38:52.980 We're looking at 21 and three sex type determining, so 24 total.

03:38:57.780 What are the sex-determining, they're called the locus, correct?

03:39:02.460 Correct.

03:39:02.880 So locus is that individual section of DNA.

03:39:06.340 And they typically have names or numbers associated with them, correct?

03:39:11.760 Yes, they do.

03:39:12.500 So what are the sex-determining loci?

03:39:16.580 So there is amylogenin, and that lets me know if an individual is male or female.

03:39:23.440 And then there's two specific male sex-determined locations.

03:39:28.660 One is Y-Indel and one is DYS385.

03:39:33.520 Those just let me know that those are specific to male individuals.

03:39:36.800 Okay.

03:39:37.240 And then for the other locations you're looking at,

03:39:41.300 those you're just looking for two types at each location, correct?

03:39:45.960 Correct, yes.

03:39:47.040 Okay.

03:39:47.360 Okay. Now, for the samples that you looked at, the 7A and the 8A, did you get a full, what's called a full profile would be a profile where you have all 23 locations present?

03:40:04.180 That is correct. So full profile means I have DNA at every single location. It is above our threshold, and I'm seeing one or two pieces of information at each location. For item seven, I did develop a full profile.

03:40:25.320 For item eight, you developed a full profile?

03:40:34.180 Item 8 was a partial profile, so I did not develop DNA at every single location.

03:40:41.340 Okay, so what that means in your comparisons is you have certain information in the question sample

03:40:46.560 that for whatever reason doesn't appear, correct?

03:40:51.000 Correct, yes.

03:40:51.520 So you can't make a comparison at those locations.

03:40:54.160 That is correct.

03:40:54.680 All right.

03:40:55.720 What makes it not appear at certain locations?

03:41:00.280 So it could be that there's degradation.

03:41:03.080 So those larger locations could be broken up so that it wasn't detected during the DNA process.

03:41:10.640 It could be a low-level amount of cellular material to begin with.

03:41:15.260 So if I only have a few cells, I may not have enough to detect at every single location.

03:41:22.620 Okay.

03:41:23.380 Okay. And for the 8-1 sample, did you measure Mr. Robinson and Mr. Twiggs' DNA at the 23 locations?

03:41:38.300 For item 8, I did not have a full profile, so I did not have data at all 23 locations to compare to either Mr. Robinson or Mr. Twiggs.

03:41:49.260 Right, but you had full profiles for Mr. Twiggs and for Mr. Robinson, right?

03:41:54.140 For their known sample?

03:41:55.700 Yes.

03:41:56.140 Yes, so for their known sample, that was a sample that was taken directly from those individuals,

03:42:01.320 and I did develop a full DNA profile.

03:42:04.780 Okay.

03:42:07.580 And just to illustrate how this works, is one of the loci that you looked at called the DYS391 loci?

03:42:19.400 Yes, it is.

03:42:20.840 And what type was Mr. Robinson at that low site?

03:42:38.500 Now he's going to start pointing together, guys.

03:42:41.000 They have to go over, like, the foundational stuff.

03:42:42.940 Now let's see what he's actually trying to get at here now.

03:42:44.660 At that location, Mr. Robinson was an 11.

03:42:49.660 I think you said you inherit one from your mother and one from your father.

03:42:54.660 But when you say he's an 11, technically he's what's called an 11-11, correct?

03:43:00.660 So for this, so DYS 391 is actually that male location.

03:43:06.660 So he would not have, or anybody would not have inherited anything from their mother.

03:43:11.660 So at this location, I would only expect to see one piece of information, and I did see an 11 here.

03:43:17.400 Okay. 0.87

03:43:18.120 And for the D3S loci, what was his type?

03:43:23.380 His type was a 17.

03:43:25.340 Now for that loci, you'd expect two types, correct?

03:43:30.200 That is correct.

03:43:30.820 And when you say he's a 17, do you mean he's actually a 17-17?

03:43:36.200 That is correct.

03:43:37.080 He inherited 17 repeats of that location from mom and 17 from dad.

03:43:41.660 Other locations, for instance, the VWA, he's type 1819, correct?

03:43:46.720 That is correct, yes.

03:43:47.640 So you're looking at those.

03:43:50.160 And what the machine produces are peaks, correct?

03:43:54.220 Correct, yes.

03:43:55.080 They're just spikes on a graph, similar to spikes on a heart monitor.

03:43:58.820 And you said for 8A you had certain locations where the test sample didn't have any results.

03:44:08.760 That is correct.

03:44:10.280 So at the TPOC's location, Mr. Robinson's a type 8-9, correct?

03:44:19.720 That is correct.

03:44:21.300 Mr. Twiggs is a type 8-11.

03:44:24.280 That is correct.

03:44:25.520 But when you looked at the sample, 8A, it didn't have any of those types.

03:44:29.820 That is correct, so I could not compare at that location.

03:44:33.260 Now, are there certain rules for when you exclude someone?

03:44:36.200 In other words, when you're comparing two samples, are there rules which say,

03:44:40.920 here's where I would conclude that he could not possibly have contributed this sample?

03:44:45.600 Yes.

03:44:48.180 Your field has a lot of literature written about it, correct?

03:44:51.780 That is correct, yes.

03:44:52.780 And do you generally like to keep up with that literature?

03:44:55.620 I do, yes.

03:44:56.940 And across time, there have been several books, publications,

03:45:01.900 that attempt to educate you and courts and lawyers on the technical aspects of DNA testing, right?

03:45:10.720 Correct, yes.

03:45:11.780 One of the books, the early one, DNA Technology and Forensic Science by the National Resource Council.

03:45:18.580 I'm familiar with that, yes.

03:45:19.880 That's an authoritative book that was really one of the first books on DNA testing.

03:45:25.080 Yes.

03:45:25.440 All right. And then by the same organization, National Resource Council, the Evaluation of Forensic DNA Evidence.

03:45:34.660 Correct, yes.

03:45:35.620 Published in 1996. Are you familiar with that as well?

03:45:39.100 Yes, I am.

03:45:40.280 And then there's an author, I believe, who did his research work at the FBI named Dr. John Butler.

03:45:50.880 Yes, I'm familiar with him.

03:45:52.200 And you have studied his work both in your training and your continuing education.

03:46:00.600 That is correct, yes.

03:46:01.380 And he's got three current textbooks on the topic that we're talking about, right?

03:46:07.420 I'm not familiar with how many textbooks he has.

03:46:09.880 I know at least the one.

03:46:11.800 Fundamentals of Forensic DNA Typing.

03:46:14.120 Yes.

03:46:14.580 I'm familiar with that.

03:46:16.900 Forensic DNA Typing Methodology.

03:46:19.640 Yes, I'm familiar with that one as well.

03:46:21.080 and forensic DNA typing interpretation yes everybody in your field relies on

03:46:27.580 these publications and use them as teaching tools yes I would agree with

03:46:32.480 that and then in addition to those books there have been studies that have been

03:46:38.000 done on particular topics correct yes this case we're dealing with mixtures

03:46:43.800 correct yes and mixtures present certain challenges that are not present when the

03:46:50.360 samples are not mixed, correct? Not necessarily. So first to define a mixture, that simply means

03:46:57.220 DNA from more than one individual in a sample. So if I were to take a sip from a coffee cup and my

03:47:03.520 husband were to also take a sip, if I were to swab that coffee cup, I would get a mixture, his DNA

03:47:08.920 and my DNA together. As far as it being difficult, you can have some mixtures where there's one

03:47:15.200 contributor that donates a lot of DNA and the second contributor donates a little bit.

03:47:20.760 For DNA interpretation, that is not challenging for me.

03:47:23.980 Where it can become challenging is if you have four or five individuals within that sample

03:47:30.220 all donating roughly around the same amount,

03:47:33.380 it may be challenging for me to determine if a person is included or not.

03:47:37.320 And would you also agree that that challenge exists in situations

03:47:43.240 where you have what are called low quantities of DNA?

03:47:47.000 again that could be possible so i could have low quantities of multiple and i'm going to explain

03:47:54.360 what's going on here in a little bit for you guys um i'm just making sure i get everything right

03:47:57.900 here but um guys smash the like button on uh tiktok let's get 300 000 individuals where 294k

03:48:04.420 likes we should have way more um which is simply just saying that i can't determine which piece

03:48:10.140 of DNA goes with which individual. So that's possible. What is drop-in? Drop-in is where you

03:48:17.500 have environmental DNA that's not inherent to that sample that's detected during our DNA process.

03:48:24.840 DNA testing is very sensitive. So it could be that we have a peak that's detected,

03:48:30.580 like I said, from the environment. And what is drop-out? Drop-out is when you have an allele

03:48:37.880 that is not detected or a piece of DNA information that is not detected.

03:48:42.100 So in the DNA chart, there is no number associated with that particular location.

03:48:48.720 And degradation can cause dropout?

03:48:51.600 Yes. 0.99

03:48:52.060 So if you have a person at a particular location that is a type 14-15,

03:48:58.800 and because of degradation, that 15 drops out,

03:49:02.260 what you're seeing on your chart is just the 14, right?

03:49:07.260 That is possible, yes.

03:49:08.680 And that presents a certain challenge, does it not?

03:49:11.340 Because if the 15 is not there, you could misinterpret that as a type 1414, correct?

03:49:17.700 Not necessarily.

03:49:19.100 So we have thresholds.

03:49:20.880 We have something called the stochastic threshold.

03:49:23.660 If that 14 is above that stochastic threshold, I'm confident, based on our validation, our testing, and my training, that the DNA type there is only a 14.

03:49:35.720 If that 14 falls below that threshold, that could be an indication that there is another peak.

03:49:46.520 So when I'm interpreting, when I'm comparing, if that 14 is below threshold and someone is a 14-15, I will not automatically exclude them.

03:49:55.040 What is stochastic effects?

03:49:58.840 Bro's done his homework on this topic.

03:50:01.360 I'm going to object at this point. I think we've gone beyond the scope of...

03:50:04.880 yo i was wondering when the prosecution was gonna get in here

03:50:11.320 and uh see what the hell's going on um so yeah hey cam says give some commentary how about you 0.97

03:50:20.680 shut the fuck up i'm waiting until they finish saying what they're saying so i can summarize 1.00

03:50:23.540 everything you fucking moron how about that one idiot in the in the fucking kick chat enjoy the 1.00

03:50:29.940 shadow on, bruh. You don't tell me how to run my show, 1.00

03:50:31.940 bitch. Time to send you 1.00

03:50:34.000 to the shadow realm.

03:50:36.840 The future

03:50:37.840 is mine. 0.97

03:50:40.660 Killing spree. 0.98

03:50:43.780 Anyway, I'm taking out the trash, 0.98

03:50:46.040 bruh. Preliminary hearing.

03:50:48.280 I think this is getting a 702 material

03:50:49.880 that's not necessary for the probable cause of

03:50:51.680 termination.

03:50:53.740 Mr. Burt?

03:50:55.240 In other words, they want him to wrap it up.

03:50:57.560 Because they're going real deep in here, and I'm trying to figure out

03:50:59.700 So I think what I presume he's going to try here is he's going to try to discredit the DNA that was found on the evidence and potentially put it on the boyfriend.

03:51:16.380 That's what I think the defense is going to try to do here, but he's not really getting to it yet.

03:51:19.920 He's going more into like, you know, covering all these details.

03:51:22.400 But let's see what happens here.

03:51:23.360 It was directly to their reliability of the testing results that the state introduced.

03:51:27.720 I think the court has to understand the limitations and potential sources of error in order to assess whether these results are reliable.

03:51:40.320 And in regards to this line of questioning, how far are you going to go on this line of questioning?

03:51:45.900 I have this one question, and then I'm moving on.

03:51:48.280 All right. Mr. McBride.

03:51:51.540 I'll hold him to that.

03:51:53.160 All right. Well.

03:51:54.080 yeah basically guys to sum it up for you guys they're basically saying hey wrap it up nigga 0.57

03:52:00.640 that's what they're basically trying to say here like yo we don't want to listen to it

03:52:04.520 we don't want to get a lecture on dna bro you're over here bringing all these textbooks and stuff

03:52:08.100 like that like wrap it up bro that's basically what they're saying mr burt uh so the objection

03:52:13.680 is overruled you may proceed with that question you can answer could you repeat your question

03:52:18.580 please. Tell the court about stochastic effects. Stochastic effects, when you have low-level

03:52:25.260 samples during the DNA copying process, based on how the DNA is copied, you could have

03:52:32.660 alleles that are copied better than other alleles. Okay. Now, on another topic,

03:52:43.020 I mentioned studies before. One of the studies that you're familiar with is

03:52:47.400 called the PCAST Report.

03:52:50.780 Are you familiar with that report?

03:52:52.200 Yes, I am.

03:52:53.120 And tell the court what that is.

03:52:55.840 PCAST Report is,

03:52:57.280 PCAST stands for the President's Council of Advisors

03:53:00.540 on Science and Technology.

03:53:02.780 And this was a committee that was found,

03:53:05.540 I believe, under the Obama administration

03:53:07.260 that gave guidance on different areas of forensics.

03:53:13.200 Including how to deal with mixed samples

03:53:16.220 and how to deal with samples that have low quantity of DNA?

03:53:21.440 I don't know that I would agree that it's how to deal with them.

03:53:25.180 They gave some of their concerns on low-level samples and mixtures.

03:53:31.780 Right.

03:53:34.060 And they also did a follow-up report to assess whether using the kind of software that you used in this case

03:53:41.260 had been established as reliable, correct?

03:53:44.060 That is correct.

03:53:44.680 And what was the software that you used in this case to reach your statistical results?

03:53:52.940 The software is called Starmix, S-T-R-M-I-X.

03:53:58.060 And the PCAS report specifically addresses whether reliability has been established with respect to Starmix, correct?

03:54:08.540 I don't believe reliability came into question.

03:54:13.400 I think PCAST thought that there needed to be additional testing as far as mixtures and low-level samples go.

03:54:22.220 Mixtures and low-level samples that had certain characteristics, right?

03:54:26.420 That is correct, yes.

03:54:27.900 Including mixtures where the, what's called the minor contributor, was in the sample below 20%.

03:54:36.940 That is correct.

03:54:38.040 So the minor contributor would be an individual that donated less DNA to that sample.

03:54:43.380 So PCAS called into question mixtures of three or more individuals

03:54:48.180 with that minor or that low-level contributor making up 20% or less.

03:54:55.180 Seven and eight samples in this case were both mixtures, correct?

03:54:59.020 Yes, that is correct.

03:54:59.760 And did you determine what the proportion of mixture was

03:55:03.760 between what I'll call the major contributor and the minor contributor?

03:55:08.840 So I did not calculate that personally.

03:55:11.040 Part of the Starmix software

03:55:13.240 It does a couple different things

03:55:15.540 One it takes a mixture

03:55:16.800 And it uses math

03:55:18.960 And biological modeling

03:55:20.360 To try to break that mixture

03:55:22.240 I think what the defense is going to try to say here

03:55:24.780 Is that both my client

03:55:27.000 And

03:55:27.740 His boyfriend

03:55:29.840 Touch both materials

03:55:33.640 And we don't know who did it

03:55:35.420 That's what I think he's going to try to do

03:55:39.520 But let's see

03:55:41.040 into its individual contributors,

03:55:43.600 and then it also calculates the likelihood ratio,

03:55:46.240 which is the statistic that I report.

03:55:48.680 During that process, it does give an estimate

03:55:51.320 of the breakdown of those potential contributors.

03:55:54.840 And what was, first of all, for the seventh sample?

03:55:58.660 Was the minor in there at less than 20%?

03:56:00.980 And shout-out to Lovely Things, the Patriot and Chungus Khan,

03:56:03.880 top three supporters right now on TikTok.

03:56:06.020 Shout-out to you guys.

03:56:06.880 Apparently it says something about a fan club or something like that.

03:56:08.980 TikTok has a fan club?

03:56:11.040 I'm so lost, bro.

03:56:12.480 I don't know.

03:56:13.180 I'm looking at this screen.

03:56:14.160 I don't know what's going on.

03:56:15.740 According to StarMix.

03:56:25.700 Yes, it was.

03:56:26.940 For one of the runs when I compared to Mr. Robinson conditioning on Mr. Twiggs,

03:56:32.140 it was a 5% to 95%.

03:56:35.160 And how about for the other signal?

03:56:41.040 for item eight one of the contributors was 11 and the other was approximately 89 so below just

03:57:00.120 speeding it up a little bit guys up to 1.25 20 right correct yes and the concern is for seven

03:57:06.280 fans in the club yeah uh well guys uh i don't know how the fan club works but if you guys are

03:57:10.080 supporters man make sure to follow if you guys enjoy this type of stuff make sure to follow the

03:57:14.360 page you guys know i've been banned on tiktok for six years so we're back um but i do true crime

03:57:18.840 political commentary geopolitical commentary uh i cover obviously dating and everything else like

03:57:22.860 that but i can't really cover that on tiktok so whenever i do true crime or politics um like

03:57:27.560 especially with like geopolitical affairs with wars and stuff like that i'll come on tiktok for

03:57:30.900 you guys and stream um but yeah we're diversified bro so make sure to follow the uh page guys i

03:57:36.980 don't just like make fun of women all day even though that's a part of what i do um or make fun

03:57:41.480 of uh certain races if you know what i'm saying okay we cover it all so make sure to follow the

03:57:49.340 page ninjas make sure to follow the page and uh yeah let's get the fan club up i guess i don't

03:57:53.840 know how it works on tiktok but we'll see what happens but yeah but the main home base for me

03:57:57.320 guys on this channel is kick kick.com slash my gains x as you guys know we'll stay on for a bit

03:58:02.520 longer, and I'm going to move everybody over to kick here soon.

03:58:05.060 In this

03:58:05.680 report, which was written by

03:58:08.380 experts in your field, correct? No, that

03:58:10.500 is not correct. The PCAS report was

03:58:12.460 written by individuals that were not practitioners

03:58:14.220 or any type of laboratory personnel.

03:58:17.380 Right, but they list the

03:58:18.420 experts who provided input into

03:58:20.500 that report, do they not? Yes, they did.

03:58:22.300 One of them was Bruce Bedoli, correct?

03:58:24.640 Correct, yes. Who's Bruce Bedoli?

03:58:26.020 He is a DNA expert within the field.

03:58:29.380 Well, he was

03:58:30.340 the head of your unit for a number of years before

03:58:32.340 you came on board wasn't he he was yes uh bro did his homework man um and he's written but i don't

03:58:38.660 know what he's trying to get at but let's see extensively on forensic dna testing has he not

03:58:42.820 he has yes the report also lists eric gilkerson correct uh that name does not i do not recall

03:58:49.700 that name forensic examiner for the federal bureau of investigation laboratory i don't recognize that

03:58:54.420 name how about uh bruce mcvick mcvicker forensic examiner federal bureau of introduction your

03:59:00.500 your honor i'm gonna renew my objection i think this is beyond the scope of determining i was

03:59:04.360 wondering what he's gonna do it i was wondering yeah guys the reason why kick is the best is

03:59:10.380 there's no ads on kick guys no ads on kick at all and it's like really high quality latency is really

03:59:16.260 good yeah i mean so kick is really good completely free but yeah this is fucking hilarious i was

03:59:25.160 wondering when the prosecutor was gonna object he said i'm gonna hold him to it bro asked like 0.72

03:59:29.420 three more questions. The standards that apply here are the court weighs the evidence in the

03:59:34.420 light most favorable to the state and avoids credibility and balancing the evidence at the

03:59:39.480 stage. I think we're far into 702 territory at this point. Mr. Burton. I'm not sure I understand

03:59:45.540 the objection into 702 territory. 702 deals with reliability of evidence. That's what the court is

03:59:51.160 here to determine. So again, it's directly relevant to reliability. This report criticizes

03:59:57.280 for the specific sample she's using here,

04:00:00.020 the reliability of this testing.

04:00:02.200 And her response was, oh, but they weren't experts.

04:00:04.780 But the report indicates that there were experts

04:00:06.560 who were consulted on this report.

04:00:08.180 So I think it is relevant,

04:00:09.440 and I think it goes to the issue of reliability,

04:00:12.400 and it's the only question I have on this area as well.

04:00:16.740 Anything further, Mr. McBride,

04:00:18.340 or do you wish to respond to that?

04:00:19.740 Just that 702 deals with admissibility.

04:00:23.420 It does discuss reliability,

04:00:24.860 but it's directly related to admissibility

04:00:26.660 of the testimony at trial under the Utah Constitution

04:00:29.720 and under the robust case law in this area,

04:00:34.720 the court does not weigh the evidence,

04:00:36.840 draws the inferences in the light most favorable to the state.

04:00:40.740 And I think we're beyond that point now

04:00:43.100 getting into the admissibility questions.

04:00:46.260 All right. Anything further, Mr. Burt?

04:00:48.000 No, you're right.

04:00:49.820 All right. Well, as this is the last question,

04:00:52.720 I'm going to overrule the objection,

04:00:54.260 But as a reminder to all parties that this is a probable cause standard, and as it relates to—well, I will just leave it at that.

04:01:05.380 Are you familiar with that analyst?

04:01:06.980 In other words, wrap it up, Brad. It's the only probable cause.

04:01:09.460 No, I'm not.

04:01:10.200 Okay. Just to close the loop on the PCAS report.

04:01:13.520 What they said in the report was that published evidence supports the foundational validity of probabilistic genotyping with some programs of DNA mixtures of three individuals in which the minor contributor constitutes at least 20% of the intact DNA in the mixture and in which the DNA amount exceeds the minimum required level for the method.

04:01:37.140 Isn't that what they concluded?

04:01:38.800 That sounds accurate, yes.

04:01:40.200 And do you know why the level 20% raises reliability issues?

04:01:44.780 I do not know.

04:01:46.200 Okay.

04:01:49.060 My main channel is kick, guys.

04:01:50.340 I'm going to drop the link for you guys here.

04:01:52.080 But you do know that in this case, both your samples had minor contributors below 20%.

04:01:56.780 That is true, but in this case, it was also only a mixture of two individuals.

04:02:01.280 All right.

04:02:01.820 Now, that's the next thing I was going to ask you about, which is, what is NOC?

04:02:06.520 NOC stands for number of contributors.

04:02:09.180 And when you use this program, this genotyping program, STAR-MIX,

04:02:13.920 who decides what the number of contributors is?

04:02:17.640 That's my determination based on my experience and training looking at the data.

04:02:22.840 That's something I input into STAR-MIX.

04:02:25.420 And that's a complex determination, is it not?

04:02:29.340 Not necessarily.

04:02:31.480 But it can be in some cases, correct?

04:02:33.580 It could be.

04:02:34.280 Again, if there's mixtures of a lot of individuals and a lot of the peak heights, the size of the spikes are relatively the same.

04:02:41.000 It could cause some trouble for me as an examiner.

04:02:48.540 All right.

04:02:49.060 One of the groups that studies your field is the National Institute of Standards and Technology, correct?

04:02:57.220 That is correct, yes.

04:02:57.860 They're in the Department of Commerce?

04:02:59.460 I believe so, yes.

04:03:00.460 Federal agency?

04:03:01.380 Yes.

04:03:02.380 And they published a report in 2024 called Forensic DNA Interpretation and Human Factors, Improving Practice Through a Systems Approach.

04:03:12.580 You're familiar with that publication, right?

04:03:14.120 I am, yes.

04:03:15.120 And was that a publication written by scientists?

04:03:18.460 I don't recall exactly who the authors of that publication were.

04:03:24.540 Okay.

04:03:26.800 Just to make sure.

04:03:31.660 while i wait for him to get his papers guys um smash that like button on tiktok guys

04:03:37.500 we're at 338 let's get a 350. oh we got a galaxy thank you very much for the donation

04:03:44.260 the galaxy thank you yes it is and you've read it i've read highlights of him is it true that

04:03:50.860 one of the things that they say in that report is uh jctn jctn thanks for the galaxy bro appreciate

04:03:56.640 you we have a section on the complexity of number of contributor estimations objection are you

04:04:04.400 same objection your honor uh yeah all galaxies get shot out on stream by the way guys if you

04:04:08.400 guys said in the galaxy i'll definitely make sure i shot you out on screen stream excuse me

04:04:12.560 this is beyond here's the third objection now wrap it up ninja preliminary hearing again we're

04:04:18.640 talking about uh expert reports we're talking about um scientific studies these materials are

04:04:25.360 are all fine to consider at a 702 admissibility hearing at this stage where, again, the light,

04:04:30.360 the evidence is viewed in the light most favorable to the state. This is unhelpful to the course

04:04:33.120 of termination. Yeah, I see that we got a lot of new viewers on TikTok. Shout out to you guys,

04:04:36.440 man. I hope you guys, I'm glad that you guys are checking it out. Everyone thinks I'm just like

04:04:40.760 some crazy racist bigot, which I am, but I also cover true crime every now and then too. 0.83

04:04:46.740 And therefore, you're relevant to this proceeding. Thank you, Mr. McBride. Mr. Burks. 0.95

04:04:50.240 I think the report that the state put into evidence, as clarified by this witness, indicates that she reached the conclusion that Mr. Robinson and Mr. Twiggs were, quote, possible contributors to these two samples.

04:05:04.740 And so one thing the court has to weigh is, what is the weight of that opinion, given the science or lack thereof?

04:05:11.500 And one of the important issues here is how she derived these statistical numbers.

04:05:17.080 And as an offer of proof, I'll indicate to the court that the numbers derive from this software program and that that software program is dependent in large part on how many contributors the analyst puts into the input of the software.

04:05:33.840 And the numbers can change if the number of contributors is.

04:05:37.860 Yeah, don't worry, guys. I'm going to cover every day of this preliminary hearing for you guys.

04:05:41.120 so don't worry, I got y'all. I will hold your hand throughout the five days of this preliminary

04:05:46.740 hearing, which I have never seen a five-day-long preliminary hearing. Insane, but hey, it's a big

04:05:52.960 case, so it makes sense. Guys, again, this is not a trial. This is literally just a established

04:05:59.580 probable cause. All this is a established probable cause. Changed, and in this case, as I'll show

04:06:05.380 through the examination, this examiner originally thought there were three contributors. And I will

04:06:11.700 show to the court why she changed her analysis and will indicate through this publication that

04:06:17.320 there has been criticism of the way in which she determined the number of contributors. So I think

04:06:23.000 it's important for the court to assess whether you've got accurate numbers in front of you. The

04:06:27.160 state put in these astronomical numbers and are asking the court to give weight to them. And I'm

04:06:32.900 asking the court to consider how those numbers were arrived at and whether there are reliability

04:06:37.280 issues with regard to those numbers. So the concern that I have is I turn to State v. Ramirez in 2012

04:06:45.900 UT 59 in paragraph 10. Dab says thanks for the coverage. I appreciate you, my friend. Appreciate

04:06:51.620 you. And guys, that's how you super chat on kick, by the way. You send in a kick. That's how you do

04:06:56.260 it. The more the magistrate's role does not encompass an assessment of whether such inference

04:07:00.020 is more plausible than an alternative that cuts in favor of the defense.

04:07:03.720 That is a matter of fact-finding, which is left for the jury at trial.

04:07:06.940 And so when I'm staying in my role as a magistrate,

04:07:09.420 I hear what you're saying, but my concern is based off case law

04:07:12.620 that dictates what I as a magistrate should be doing

04:07:15.360 if I want to stay in that lane.

04:07:17.020 And just so you guys know, as a magistrate,

04:07:18.420 this is like a lower-level judge, by the way.

04:07:20.140 He's supposed to be overseeing misdemeanors.

04:07:23.160 Okay, he goes to trial on misdemeanors.

04:07:25.080 This case hasn't been indicted yet,

04:07:26.540 which is why there's a magistrate on it.

04:07:28.560 It needs to go to like a district judge or a circuit judge, whatever they want to call it in the state system.

04:07:32.900 And in the federal court system, once it gets indicted, it goes to a district judge.

04:07:37.300 Right. So. Yeah, we'll see what happens here.

04:07:41.980 And my fear is as we go down further down this path, which, again, is not precluding if this were to proceed,

04:07:47.940 if there were a bind over, if there was a trial that certainly that could be determined.

04:07:52.820 But at this point, at this stage, how do you weigh this issue as I'm weighing State v. Ramirez

04:08:01.080 in deciding whether we're going past the probable cause stage?

04:08:04.440 Sure. And I think the answer to that is we have to take into account the ruling that you made in this case,

04:08:09.480 which is the law of this case, which is when we objected to the hearsay aspect of these DNA reports and other reports,

04:08:16.060 you ruled that you are the ultimate determiner of the reliability of the hearsay evidence being

04:08:22.080 admitted and you were a shot for a galaxy man i appreciate you thank you was that jan again

04:08:26.920 with the galaxy thank you recall it our argument was the statute was unconstitutional because it

04:08:31.820 was dictating that you find certain evidence to be reliable without considering whether it was

04:08:36.580 reliable and your ruling as i understood it was no you retain the ultimate determination of whether

04:08:43.680 the evidence is reliable. And that's not a credibility issue. It's, is this reliable

04:08:49.280 hearsay that the state is offering? And so issues that go to whether these numbers that the state

04:08:56.460 is putting in front of you are reliable, I think, go directly to the substance of your ruling,

04:09:00.820 which is that your role here is to determine reliability of evidence. And I'm familiar with

04:09:06.380 a case that the court cites, but I think that has more to do with weighing evidence and making

04:09:12.400 credibility assessments. Whereas I'm focused on what the court ruled, which is we have to look

04:09:17.200 at reliability here. And that's my job as a magistrate. Mr. McBride, any final thoughts?

04:09:23.560 Yes. Under rule 11, excuse me, 1102B4, this- 1102, guys, you're going to hear that referred

04:09:30.620 to a million times in this preliminary hearing. That is the rules of evidence for the state of

04:09:33.760 utah 1102 the the exhibit 31 is a is considered reliable hearsay um in addition uh credibility

04:09:45.900 determination jctn thanks for the campaign i think you sent me another galaxy as well so thank you

04:09:49.740 bro actions are not propped for the court to make here for the whole reason that you know studies

04:09:54.060 supporting this supporting the science studies opposing the science um testimony from this

04:09:59.720 expert or that expert about what is reliable what is not what's more reliable what's less

04:10:03.000 reliable factors that affect all those determinations, those are all very, very complex decisions.

04:10:07.840 There will be probably multiple-day hearings dealing with that, and a probable cause determination

04:10:11.960 is just not the place to conduct that kind of thorough, in-depth, and searching analysis.

04:10:15.780 Rather, the case law, the Constitution of Utah that says the only purpose of a preliminary

04:10:19.760 hearing is determining probable cause, the case law, the rules that all say the court

04:10:23.800 does not weigh the evidence at this stage but leaves that for a finder of fact, the

04:10:27.100 jury in the end.

04:10:28.000 And that all supports cutting this line of questioning off at this point

04:10:32.760 rather than going on into greater depth, Your Honor.

04:10:38.460 All right.

04:10:40.900 Based off what's been presented before me,

04:10:43.200 I'm going to sustain in part and deny in part the objection made.

04:10:46.720 I'm going to allow this question to be asked,

04:10:49.300 and so that is denying,

04:10:51.660 but sustain in the sense that this would be the last question,

04:10:54.340 and if Mr. Burt chooses to, may go on to a different subject.

04:10:58.000 or a different line of questioning.

04:11:00.240 Sure.

04:11:01.700 Did that NIST report conclude that it remains unclear

04:11:05.120 if visual inspection renders consistent number of contributor estimations

04:11:10.380 across analysts over time?

04:11:12.940 Can you repeat that?

04:11:14.300 Yeah.

04:11:14.760 Did the NIST report that you referenced conclude that it remains unclear

04:11:18.660 if visual inspection renders consistent number of contributor estimations

04:11:24.020 across analysts over time?

04:11:26.880 I think that goes to the DNA evidence.

04:11:31.360 Again, we never truly know the number of contributors in a forensic sample.

04:11:36.280 So like I mentioned before, you could have DNA mixtures that are made up of two, three, four individuals.

04:11:41.420 I have training.

04:11:42.140 I have experience.

04:11:42.880 I followed standard operating procedures.

04:11:44.980 So I'm making the best determination based on the DNA evidence that I have as far as number of contributors goes.

04:11:53.200 Now, if I could, I'd like to return to your case notes.

04:11:55.440 And could you display for the witness page?

04:11:59.340 See the prosecutor over here?

04:12:00.360 He's like, yo, what's wrong with this guy, bruh?

04:12:01.620 Page 365 of tab number four.

04:12:05.940 Lead prosecutors are frustrated as hell.

04:12:10.820 And why he's doing that, by the way,

04:12:12.000 it's true that if you change the number of contributors,

04:12:14.320 you're going to get different numbers from the software program.

04:12:17.500 It depends.

04:12:18.360 So actually, each time you run the software,

04:12:20.080 you will get a different number based on the math

04:12:23.120 that the software system does.

04:12:25.100 But there are studies and validations that show we don't expect that math to be greatly different, usually by a factor of 10.

04:12:31.840 Changing the number of contributors, it depends.

04:12:33.800 If you have a major contributor, someone who's made up most of that DNA profile,

04:12:38.460 if I originally interpret something as three, calculate a statistic,

04:12:41.800 if that major contributor is the individual that I'm comparing to,

04:12:45.040 if I change the number of contributors to two, based on the studies and based on my own experience,

04:12:49.740 it doesn't change the likelihood ratio of that major contributor by much.

04:12:53.820 But it does change it, correct?

04:12:55.260 Yes.

04:12:55.760 And you just said, I think, that even when you put in the same parameters,

04:12:59.400 you don't get the same answer if you run it through SDR mix more than once, right?

04:13:03.980 That is correct.

04:13:04.840 Based on how StarMix utilizes math and distributions, you will never get the same.

04:13:09.280 Yeah, sorry, guys. 1.00

04:13:09.860 I don't know why the hell she's so loud. 0.99

04:13:11.200 I've got to, like, adjust her volume every time she talks.

04:13:13.140 I've got to answer twice, but it will be no more than a magnitude of 10.

04:13:16.980 So that test is not reproducible in the sense that you can run a sample

04:13:24.460 or your assumptions in there 10 times you could get 10 different answers.

04:13:28.580 That is true.

04:13:29.560 Again, the first time I run StarMax, I'm not going to get a likelihood ratio of 10

04:13:33.060 and the second time get 10 quadrillion.

04:13:35.100 I might get 10 quadrillion the first time, 2 quadrillion the second time.

04:13:39.540 But even if I run it 10 times, I'm still going to get around the same likelihood ratio value.

04:13:45.560 Could you look at tab number four, your case notes at page 365, if you could bring that up to the witness?

04:13:57.400 Let me know when you have that in front of you.

04:13:59.580 I think you need to scroll up one page.

04:14:05.900 There we go.

04:14:07.920 Can you identify this page from your notes?

04:14:10.240 Yes, I can.

04:14:11.020 These were notes that my technical reviewer made, and my technical reviewer, they will review all of my DNA evidence.

04:14:17.500 They will draw their own conclusions as far as number of contributors and comparisons, then compare back to my conclusions.

04:14:23.760 All right, so this is regarding the seven sample, correct?

04:14:27.600 That is correct. That is one of the samples.

04:14:29.000 And your original assessment was that there were three contributors to the sample, right?

04:14:33.340 That is correct, yes.

04:14:34.280 And that conclusion was reviewed by a reviewer, correct?

04:14:38.440 Correct, yes.

04:14:38.900 She read the same electropherograms or the name for the output of this technology you use, correct?

04:14:46.180 So you utilize the same electropherogram, which is the chart that the DNA is on.

04:14:50.340 And does this page in front of you, is that an accurate representation of your case file?

04:14:54.760 Yes, it is.

04:14:55.720 Moving to evidence page 365, and that would be Baker 4.

04:15:04.960 Mr. McBride?

04:15:06.360 I'll object on relevance grounds.

04:15:08.900 All right. Did you want to respond, Mr. Burt?

04:15:11.880 Your Honor, it's relevant because the witness originally determined that there were three contributors,

04:15:18.080 and I'd like her to explain to the court how she reached that conclusion

04:15:20.900 because I think it does go to the reliability of her testing here.

04:15:24.940 All right. So as it relates to Baker 4, and this is her personal notes from Ms. Baker

04:15:33.640 as it relates to what I'm assuming is...

04:15:37.800 Okay, let me go ahead and explain to you guys

04:15:39.340 what the hell's going on here, okay?

04:15:40.520 Because there's been a lot.

04:15:45.860 Certain items were sent over to the FBI to be tested.

04:15:48.260 Okay, the towel and the screwdriver, okay?

04:15:50.900 The screwdriver was used to put the gun together.

04:15:54.240 The rifle, the Mauser was put together

04:15:58.180 when it was split in two parts.

04:16:00.020 It was smuggled in his clothing, allegedly.

04:16:02.200 He climbed up to the top, laid down the towel,

04:16:05.560 assembled the gun, fired the shot,

04:16:07.800 wrapped the gun up in the towel ran however he left the screwdriver there and when he left the

04:16:13.360 screwdriver there when he got back to the forest he realized he didn't have the screwdriver so he

04:16:17.600 couldn't take the gun apart so what he had to do was he had to leave the gun assembled

04:16:21.060 and leave it in the woods with the towel this obviously obviously left dna so now from what i

04:16:27.720 understand not just his dna but his boyfriend's dna okay twigs or whatever his name is was also

04:16:37.260 on um the i think the towel what the defense attorney's trying to do right now is he's trying

04:16:43.580 to say look um is it true that just because someone's dna on is on there in a mixture or

04:16:52.260 whatever are we 100 sure that like they were actually it's them right because there's like

04:16:57.960 trace or maybe it's a mixture or it doesn't make sense he's basically trying to like you know shake

04:17:02.680 the bottle to try to say like well is there a chance that there's a mixture so the reading isn't

04:17:09.800 accurate or it's not real or can you or is it possible that my client could be excluded and 0.70

04:17:15.640 he's going through all this goddamn dna research paperwork right in books to kind of show that dna

04:17:23.980 isn't 1000 bulletproof now i'll be honest with you guys dna is very reliable so it's kind of 0.96

04:17:30.720 crazy that he's going down this road right and you can see the frustration from the um from the

04:17:35.860 prosecution because it's like he's taking it to a whole other level where he's like trying to

04:17:40.060 make it as if it's um he's challenging the credibility of the dna evidence and he's going

04:17:47.440 really deep into the lore to show that dna evidence isn't always reliable does that make

04:17:52.400 sense guys so he understands that there's dna evidence so he's going he's but he has um he

04:17:58.080 understands DNA evidence so since DNA evidence is so bulletproof most of the time he has to go into

04:18:03.300 crazy detail and depth and research to show instances where DNA is not reliable does that

04:18:10.360 make sense guys so since DNA is so reliable he has to spend a lot of time showing that there's

04:18:17.380 times where DNA was not reliable which is why he's going into all this granular detail

04:18:21.840 now the prosecution comes in and says hey buddy this isn't right necessary like

04:18:28.880 this is a probable cause hearing what are you doing and he's like well you guys are bringing

04:18:36.020 this in so i want to go in and be able to challenge it and the only way that i can

04:18:39.300 challenge it properly is i need to go into all these nuanced details

04:18:42.680 but the prosecution is saying like this is way beyond the scope

04:18:47.220 of what's needed because this is just a preliminary hearing.

04:18:52.500 Does that make sense, Chad?

04:18:54.340 Now, I still don't know what he's challenging,

04:18:56.700 if it's the screwdriver or the towel.

04:19:00.200 We don't know that yet.

04:19:02.200 But let me know if that makes sense.

04:19:04.040 I hope I was able to kind of, like, summarize all this yap for you guys.

04:19:08.020 But that's what essentially was going on here.

04:19:12.400 Yeah, he's trying to create doubt.

04:19:13.660 Exactly.

04:19:14.920 But the problem is that he's picking, like,

04:19:16.880 the worst type of virus to create dealt with.

04:19:19.740 You know what I mean?

04:19:20.760 Bro is taking on, like, the strongest family of evidence,

04:19:25.940 which is DNA.

04:19:27.460 Yeah, I mean?

04:19:30.480 So, anyway.

04:19:32.900 We'll go back to it.

04:19:33.920 I hope that makes more sense for you guys.

04:19:36.820 We'll keep going into it, though.

04:19:38.220 States Exhibit 31, that these notes were prepared

04:19:41.580 as part of the report in state 16.

04:19:45.880 No worries, no worries, guys.

04:19:46.900 I see a lot of thank yous for clarifying.

04:19:48.560 No problem.

04:19:48.880 I got you guys, man.

04:19:49.860 That's kind of what I do.

04:19:50.860 I try to, I watch this stuff

04:19:52.440 and I try to give it to you guys back in layman terms

04:19:54.320 because this stuff can be very confusing.

04:19:57.480 So double tap the screen.

04:19:58.500 Let's get to 400K.

04:19:59.760 Take a quick piss. 0.96

04:20:00.400 I'll keep letting this rock for you guys. 0.89

04:20:01.560 I find that it is relevant

04:20:04.380 and that it is admitted into evidence

04:20:06.640 as regards to publication.

04:20:08.740 What is the request?

04:20:09.720 Your Honor, if I may clarify,

04:20:11.020 I think the testimony was that this was not her notes.

04:20:13.600 These were the notes of her technical reviewer, is what I heard.

04:20:17.300 Please correct me if I misheard that from both sides.

04:20:20.000 I want to make sure, are these Ms. Baker's notes?

04:20:23.940 Could I clarify that?

04:20:25.420 Absolutely.

04:20:27.120 Ms. Baker, these are notes in your case file, correct?

04:20:30.420 These are notes in my case file, but they're not my notes.

04:20:32.700 And the way your lab works, you're not the one that does all the different steps in the testing process, correct?

04:20:40.440 That is correct.

04:20:41.020 other analysts have input that then all goes into the case file which you have

04:20:46.480 access to and rely upon in rendering your opinions that is correct yes all

04:20:51.880 and this particular page is a note written by your peer reviewer that you

04:20:57.940 relied upon correct after I made my interpretations and draw true

04:21:01.640 conclusions my technical reviewer then reviews the data and draws their own

04:21:05.380 conclusions. So this was created after I had already drew my own

04:21:09.280 conclusions.

04:21:13.960 All right, I'm just trying to put it together here.

04:21:22.140 So the question I'm trying to get to, Council, is was this particular, and I

04:21:26.980 recognize it as it being prepared by someone else, but as it relates to States

04:21:31.300 Exhibit 31 was this relied upon in order for States Exhibit 31 to be put

04:21:37.240 together as the report? Because I'm trying to determine relevancy as it

04:21:41.680 relates to that and that's a crucial point I don't have the answer to just

04:21:44.260 yet. Okay, let me lay a more adequate foundation. The case file notes are

04:21:56.320 are assessed by you at every step of the analysis, correct?

04:22:01.220 Not necessarily at every step.

04:22:02.820 Speeding it up, guys.

04:22:04.760 Before I issue a report, before I write a report,

04:22:07.800 I review all of the case notes.

04:22:08.940 So that will be any communication log entries,

04:22:11.740 any documentation from the laboratory,

04:22:13.320 the biologists that perform the DNA testing.

04:22:15.260 I will review all of that, write a report,

04:22:17.680 and then give that to a technical reviewer.

04:22:19.660 They will draw their own conclusions

04:22:20.700 to determine if they agree with me.

04:22:22.460 If they do, they will sign off,

04:22:24.020 and then my report and my case file

04:22:25.100 will go for an administrative review to make sure that the laboratory number is correct

04:22:29.640 on all the pages, that if there's any crossouts, there's dates and initials and so forth.

04:22:33.200 Those two reviews have to be done before I can actually make it a final report and case

04:22:36.780 file that gets submitted and sent to the field.

04:22:39.020 And in this case, correct me if I'm wrong, but the sequence was you originally determined

04:22:42.740 in sample seven that there were three contributors.

04:22:45.680 That conclusion got reviewed.

04:22:47.260 Then you ran some further testing, and then you changed your conclusion, correct?

04:22:50.640 That is correct, yes.

04:22:51.320 And before you change your conclusion, you, of course, go back and look at what the reviewer

04:22:54.760 said about her review? We would have a discussion if I say a number of contributors was three. Here

04:23:00.140 she notated that it was two. We had that discussion. She agreed with three. So for that step of that

04:23:04.860 process, because again, we're piecemealing this. Typically in a normal case, we will work all of

04:23:09.040 the evidence. I will write a report. For this situation, I had DNA evidence coming to me

04:23:13.260 throughout the day, throughout the night. So I had reviewers at different steps, which is not usual

04:23:16.980 for a case. Usually I have one reviewer. So in this case, at that particular time, I had a reviewer.

04:23:21.180 Then when I was submitted additional known samples and used those for comparisons,

04:23:25.060 then I did have additional conclusions and additional reviewers.

04:23:27.820 But you certainly took into account this notation on this page before you changed your conclusion, correct?

04:23:32.560 I don't know that I would agree that I took into account.

04:23:35.000 We had already had that conversation, and again, once I received additional known samples

04:23:38.040 and additional information from the field, I then did and then my conclusion.

04:23:41.540 And these notes are kept in the ordinary course of your business?

04:23:44.040 Yes.

04:23:44.580 And they're part of the case file that you rely upon in reaching your conclusions?

04:23:48.280 They are kept with the case file after I draw my conclusions.

04:23:52.800 So, Your Honor, I think there's a foundation for this.

04:23:54.900 The state has offered all kinds of hearsay here, and certainly there's no question about the reliability of the entries.

04:23:59.980 All right.

04:24:01.480 Anything further from the parties before I weigh in on, well, make my ruling on Baker 4?

04:24:06.240 No.

04:24:07.560 The court finds that it is relevant, and as it relates to C6 Exhibit 31 and Baker 4 is admitted into evidence.

04:24:14.040 In regards to publication, Mr. Burt, what is your request?

04:24:16.200 uh that it be published all right to in the courtroom in both the courtroom in the to the

04:24:21.380 to the cameras all right any uh objection mr mcroyd all right go ahead and publish that

04:24:26.280 to all screens and may be captured by the media so these notations at the top there are seven one

04:24:32.140 male discuss three noc and okay with three could you translate that for us what that means sure

04:24:38.180 uh so when my technical reviewer took a look at the dna evidence um she determined that male dna

04:24:43.120 was present and she concluded that she would have called it a number of contributor of two.

04:24:46.700 She compared it to my conclusions. I said number of contributor three. So we had a discussion as

04:24:50.560 to why she thought it was two, why I thought it was three. And she said she agreed with me calling

04:24:54.800 it three based on her discussion. Okay. So was that an extended discussion you had with her or just?

04:24:59.940 No, this was a quick discussion and this is not unusual. We have discussions like this during

04:25:03.400 the technical process quite often. And the stamp on the bottom approved by Tara Benson,

04:25:07.180 is that the reviewer? Yes, it is. All right. Thank you. All right, the supervisor. Now, I want to ask you,

04:25:12.600 to look at page 128

04:25:14.460 of that same exhibit?

04:25:23.320 No.

04:25:25.380 Is this...

04:25:25.720 Double-top the screen, guys.

04:25:26.660 We just hit 400.

04:25:27.360 Let's get to 450.

04:25:28.520 Is this an electropherogram

04:25:30.380 that is a part of your case file?

04:25:32.160 Yes, it is.

04:25:32.620 And is this an accurate representation

04:25:33.700 of what's depicted on this page?

04:25:37.840 I'm sorry.

04:25:38.520 There's nothing on the screen.

04:25:39.340 I might...

04:25:40.660 Yeah, 128.

04:25:42.600 yes it is i move that indefinite this would be baker uh four page 128. oh i thought i already

04:25:53.680 admitted baker four is this a different uh the previous one was baker four as i understood it

04:25:58.080 yeah baker four page 365. oh okay and so this is baker four page 128. all right so the previous

04:26:06.060 admitted exhibit is baker four 365 the current proposed one is baker four 128. that's correct

04:26:10.500 All right, Mr. McBride.

04:26:11.400 If I could have just a minute to update my notes on those page numbers.

04:26:13.760 All right.

04:26:17.300 365 was the previous one, unless I heard it wrong.

04:26:19.260 Yes, that's right.

04:26:19.920 All right, and the current one is one. 0.94

04:26:21.300 Bossy XS, thanks for the morning.

04:26:22.640 Stream Iron makes working in the heat bearable.

04:26:25.460 Got you, my friend.

04:26:26.540 28.

04:26:31.520 First, I'll note, this is the first I'm seeing these as exhibits.

04:26:34.540 Of course, I have this file, but I was unaware that these are going to be offered as exhibits,

04:26:37.900 so I'm looking to find them in my file as we go.

04:26:40.500 Second, again, I'm going to object on relevance grounds to the probable cause determination.

04:26:45.460 We're going through the finite details of the analysis here, and once again, I think

04:26:48.960 these are appropriate questions to raise in a 702 hearing, but with the standards that

04:26:52.620 apply at the preliminary hearing that I've already discussed, I think we're beyond the

04:26:55.240 scope of probable cause determination as we dive into this evidence.

04:26:57.920 All right, Mr. Burks.

04:26:58.980 Your Honor, I think this exhibit is particularly important because the court does not yet have

04:27:02.460 in front of it what an electric ferrogram is and how it's interpreted, and this particular

04:27:07.360 page will illustrate to the court how the analysts interpreted the peaks uh on this

04:27:11.600 electropherogram to reach the conclusions that he reached that there were three and not two

04:27:15.280 contributors i think it will assist the court in the term yeah he's really getting in in the weeds

04:27:18.840 here but the whole purpose here seems to me is like he's trying to create um some doubt some

04:27:25.000 plausible doubt that um that since both tyler robinson and twigs both contributed to it

04:27:31.220 yeah i mean exactly how this comparison process works and what the output looks like so the court 0.92

04:27:40.580 can see exactly all right sorry guys we got an idiot in chat uh we gotta we gotta send them 0.70

04:27:44.680 to the shadow real quick uh grapeus enjoy my friend time to send you to the shadow 0.93

04:27:50.920 The future is mine.

04:27:54.400 Bro made the new account is already gone.

04:27:57.420 Triple kill.

04:28:01.120 Sayonara, buddy.

04:28:02.640 How the interpretations are being made.

04:28:05.660 And is this the dose that we're relied upon?

04:28:08.820 So I'm viewing today's exhibit 31 as a summary,

04:28:12.040 and this more of showing the work of how the summary was reached.

04:28:14.640 Am I misunderstanding how this fits in?

04:28:16.500 This fits into how the analyst originally was of the opinion

04:28:20.560 that there are three people here and not two and and it um and she will go on to explain how she

04:28:26.500 changed the interpretation from three to two um and there you go that's what he's going after 0.99

04:28:31.920 the mask is coming off now we see why he's been doing all this shit 0.78

04:28:38.080 right there chat we'll rewind that a little bit and she will go on there are three people 0.94

04:28:43.260 this fits in more of showing the work of how the summary was reached am i misunderstanding

04:28:47.400 how this fits in this fits into how the analyst originally was of the opinion that there are

04:28:53.140 three people here and not two and and it um and she will go on to explain how she changed the

04:28:59.080 interpretation from three to two um and the point of this is to illustrate to the court

04:29:03.580 um that this is a subjective process to a certain extent boom all that was for what he's saying 0.98

04:29:11.260 right now he's trying to tell the the fbi lady gotcha bitch that's what he's trying to do 0.99

04:29:17.400 Okay? 0.99

04:29:21.560 Obviously, he could have done this in a far lens.

04:29:24.480 Sorry, he could have done this in a far more abbreviated manner. 0.99

04:29:28.980 But now we're figuring out why the hell he was wasting all this fucking time. 0.99

04:29:32.700 Okay? 0.99

04:29:34.060 But yes, basically, there are three.

04:29:36.520 She interprets it as two.

04:29:37.900 And he's going to attack how she interprets it that way, et cetera.

04:29:40.840 So let's continue on to see.

04:29:42.620 Now we know what he's trying to do here.

04:29:44.540 And that people can read these things in different ways.

04:29:47.400 And so I think it will help the court understand exactly what's being compared here.

04:29:53.240 You've got peaks on a line.

04:29:54.580 She will say, and just to let the court know in response to Mr. McBride's statement that he was unaware that this is going to be an issue,

04:30:01.820 he and I met with this analyst before the preliminary hearing.

04:30:05.360 The analyst pointed this page out to us as being illustrative of why she originally concluded that there were three contributors.

04:30:12.860 So this is not something that's being sprung on the state.

04:30:15.340 He was a part of that conversation, and this particular page was identified by the analyst, not by me.

04:30:20.060 So it is important to understand why we went from three to two

04:30:23.400 and what impact that has on the numbers that the state is offering.

04:30:27.200 All right. Anything further?

04:30:28.580 No.

04:30:29.760 All right. Under Utah Rule of Evidence 1102,

04:30:32.900 B4, it says Scientific Laboratory of Forensic Reports and Records.

04:30:38.000 I find that this is admissible and is admitted into evidence as Baker 4, page 128,

04:30:43.540 and as a request to publish this document.

04:30:48.780 Was that a yes?

04:30:49.880 Oh, okay.

04:30:50.340 Yes.

04:30:50.720 All right.

04:30:50.960 So published, I'm assuming, to all to that screen as well.

04:30:53.560 Yes, correct.

04:30:53.700 All right.

04:30:53.740 Maybe published.

04:30:54.660 Counsel, just as a reminder, as this is a probable cause,

04:30:57.860 I understand and I appreciate you give me a pointer of where it's going,

04:31:01.160 but just as a reminder, as probable...

04:31:02.420 Yeah, now we know what he was trying to do all this time.

04:31:04.280 ... probable cause.

04:31:06.240 It is admitted, and you may discuss it,

04:31:08.240 but I definitely want to keep this within the track of probable cause.

04:31:11.260 Understood.

04:31:11.800 All right.

04:31:12.160 Thank you, Mr. Burt.

04:31:13.540 Yeah, he's going in extensively which would be at the level of a trial

04:31:18.040 Okay

04:31:20.040 Is it true what I just told the court that you pointed this particular page out is illustrating why you originally thought we had three contributors?

04:31:25.300 Yes, that is true. So explain to the court, is this an electrophirogram?

04:31:28.200 Yes, this is an electrophirogram each of those rectangles at the top for example D2S441

04:31:33.700 That is that small segment of DNA that I referred to earlier

04:31:36.460 And each of those peaks has a corresponding number that is the allele so that corresponds to the number of repeats that an individual inherited

04:31:42.660 And this is what you ultimately, you get this electropherogram not through running it through SDR mix.

04:31:49.600 There's a different device that you use to produce these electropherograms, right?

04:31:53.720 Correct, yes.

04:31:54.240 During the DNA process, this is the last step of that process.

04:31:56.540 So what it's doing is it's, so DNA is found in cells of our body.

04:32:00.780 We're taking those cells.

04:32:02.520 We're breaking them open with chemicals to release the DNA from those cells.

04:32:04.920 We're making photocopies of those pieces of DNA so that we can essentially see them.

04:32:09.160 And then the last step is to separate those pieces by size.

04:32:11.620 and the ultimate output is this electropherogram.

04:32:13.880 Okay.

04:32:14.440 And is it true that you set the parameters for what the machine will pop up

04:32:19.260 in terms of numbering the alleles?

04:32:22.160 Personally, I do not set that up.

04:32:23.400 That was done during our validation of the chemicals and the software

04:32:26.200 and the instrument that we utilize, but there are parameters so that the output

04:32:30.500 of the DNA lets me know, for example, the different types of alleles,

04:32:34.000 but that's not a parameter I set.

04:32:35.600 I want to make sure you answered that.

04:32:36.840 you set or your lab sets what the machine does in terms of labeling particular alleles, correct?

04:32:43.620 Yes, that's part of the whole process in the validation, yes.

04:32:46.280 So you could tell the machine, give me all the peaks at whatever level and label them as whatever the alleles are.

04:32:53.480 I see. So yes, so during our validation, we determine our thresholds, our analytical threshold and that stochastic threshold that I mentioned before.

04:32:58.940 The analytical threshold is a threshold that was determined during validation that we input into the software that I utilize

04:33:04.540 that says, for example, our analytical threshold is 150.

04:33:07.360 Any peak that is 150 or greater,

04:33:09.500 the software system will give me that allele call or that number for that peak.

04:33:12.840 Any peak that's below that 150,

04:33:15.140 the software system will not give me an allele call for it.

04:33:18.020 Even though it might be a true allele?

04:33:19.580 Correct, yes.

04:33:20.600 So you could say, and you refer to a measurement,

04:33:23.260 you refer to that as RFUs, right?

04:33:25.120 Yes, that is the unit.

04:33:26.680 What does that mean?

04:33:27.280 It stands for a relative fluorescent unit.

04:33:29.580 So in your lab, you tell a machine,

04:33:31.820 only label peaks that come above 150 RFU.

04:33:34.540 The software that utilizes the information from the machine, yes.

04:33:37.860 However, it's true, is it not, that in determining the number of contributors, you look below that 150 RFU level.

04:33:43.480 And that is true, yes.

04:33:44.300 All right.

04:33:44.560 Now, this is only showing four different locations, right?

04:33:49.240 Correct, yes.

04:33:50.080 And you see a number of peaks at each one of these locations.

04:33:53.480 Some of them are labeled.

04:33:54.200 Some of them are not.

04:33:55.280 Correct, yes.

04:33:55.880 So tell us how you originally looked at this and said there's not two contributors.

04:33:59.100 There's three.

04:33:59.740 Sure.

04:34:00.300 So first what I do is I count how many labels that I see.

04:34:03.280 so how many of those little squares under each of those locations. So for example, at D2S441,

04:34:07.880 there are three squares. Knowing that one piece of information comes from mom and one comes from

04:34:11.240 dad, if it's a single source profile from one individual, I expect to see no more than two

04:34:14.540 squares. Because I see three, that gives me an indication that there's at least two individuals.

04:34:18.440 Same thing for the next D19S433 and as well as FGA. There were three peaks that were called,

04:34:24.920 so I knew this had to be at least two individuals. Then what I do is I take a look at the peaks that

04:34:29.020 are not called and determine could there potentially be a third person included so for example at d2

04:34:34.240 on the location farthest to the left i'm asking myself that 12 in that bottom box is it the same

04:34:39.500 contributor as for example the 22 under fga all the way to the right because i see peaks that are

04:34:44.840 not labeled it could be that the 12 belongs to one individual and those two peaks that are not

04:34:48.720 called belong to a second or third individual and that at fga i could be seeing the 22 from that

04:34:53.020 third person but that second person has dropped out because i'm able to use information below

04:34:57.360 the threshold and I see peaks, that

04:34:59.440 gives me an indication that I can increase my number of contributors to

04:35:01.440 three, which I did in this case. Okay, when did

04:35:03.540 you reach that conclusion, time-wise?

04:35:07.380 If I recall, it was somewhere around September 12th.

04:35:10.540 And when did you

04:35:11.360 change your conclusion?

04:35:15.000 That I

04:35:15.480 would have to refer. Sure.

04:35:16.720 bro is uh doing the trying to do the impossible to take on dna evidence

04:35:29.080 i changed my conclusion on september 13th of 2025 and explain to the court why you changed

04:35:43.880 your conclusion? I was submitted an elimination sample from Mr. Twiggs, and an elimination sample

04:35:48.580 is a sample in which it's from a known individual, and then there's an expectation that the individual's

04:35:52.560 DNA might be present. In receiving that sample and talking to the investigators, it was decided

04:35:57.660 that Mr. Twiggs should be used as elimination. When I compared him to this sample, all of the DNA,

04:36:03.120 unlike that major contributor, matched to Mr. Twiggs. So because of that, I determined that

04:36:07.140 there's actually only two individuals, because those small peaks, there was nothing left for a

04:36:10.320 individual to be compared to. You use a phrase elimination sample. That's typically used,

04:36:15.740 is it not, in a situation where you're testing a sample that has more than one contributor?

04:36:21.800 Not necessarily. An elimination is just simply an individual that we're expecting their DNA to be

04:36:25.920 there. So for example, if we have a stolen vehicle, I will request an elimination sample from the

04:36:30.640 known driver of the vehicle so I can subtract out their DNA to see what I have left over. It doesn't

04:36:34.820 necessarily have to be more than one individual. There certainly has been times where I only detect

04:36:38.160 that known expected individual and you said you had a conversation some dude in a rumbo chat said

04:36:44.580 dna is a construct made by them boys to fool law enforcement the heavy podcast bro enjoy the 1.00

04:36:52.220 chat room bro bro time to send you to the shadow realm the future is mine so tired of idiots like 1.00

04:37:03.400 Bro get these niggas out of here 1.00

04:37:21.140 Like yo what is going on 1.00

04:37:24.040 When did the IQ go down to 1.00

04:37:26.120 Fucking 20 man 1.00

04:37:27.240 Holy 1.00

04:37:29.500 Taking out the trash man

04:37:32.220 Every day

04:37:32.740 with the investigators as to whether twig should be included as

04:37:38.060 were you talking to them about whether you should get elimination samples i talked to them

04:37:43.800 with regards to if i should utilize mr twigs as an elimination versus comparing him and offering

04:37:48.300 a statistic okay but in your report you concluded did you not that one of the contributors

04:37:56.220 to both samples was twigs that is correct yes right you didn't just assume that you

04:38:01.740 reached the determination that he was the source of both those samples. One of the sources, right?

04:38:06.760 I don't want to use the word source, but knowing that there was an expectation that his DNA could

04:38:10.220 be present, when I compared him to that DNA sample, I did see his DNA types present. So

04:38:14.620 using the word assumed, that's verbiage that we use when we calculate our statistical

04:38:18.800 calculation. I'm letting the software know, I know this individual is there. I'm assuming that

04:38:23.400 they're there. Based on my comparisons, I did see evidence that that person was there.

04:38:28.280 But I guess what I'm confused about is we talked before about how your language should never

04:38:31.400 imply an absolute identification, but in the body of your report, you say that one of the

04:38:36.000 contributors is Twix. You don't say he's a possible contributor like you do for Mr. Robinson.

04:38:40.120 You say he is a contributor. Do you not? I do. And with elimination samples, that's slightly

04:38:45.380 different. So for example, let's say I have a sexual assault case and I have a vaginal swab

04:38:48.900 from a female. She has a consensual partner. I can request an elimination sample from that 0.68

04:38:52.840 consensual partner. If I see that they're present, I can say they're present and say the DNA

04:38:56.500 a foreign to that victim and that consensual partner is one person for example so it's

04:39:00.740 it's different than comparing a known individual if they're an elimination sample I can say that

04:39:06.260 I expect their DNA to be there and based on my interpretation and reviewing that data they are

04:39:10.360 present and based either on your conversations with the agents or other people why did you think

04:39:14.900 that twigs was someone whose DNA you would expect in those two samples so from what I recall in

04:39:21.000 speaking with the investigators Mr. Twigs was a roommate of Mr. Robinson and it was thought that

04:39:25.520 those items came from, potentially, Mr. Robinson's home.

04:39:30.900 And I don't recall exactly if it was a situation where a particular towel was known to have

04:39:37.820 been in that house.

04:39:38.820 I don't remember that exactly.

04:39:40.420 But in talking to the investigators, based on their investigation, it was important to

04:39:43.220 assume, potentially, Mr. Twiggs was present.

04:39:48.040 Did the investigator ever tell you that the towel did not come from Mr. Robinson's home, but was found in a bush out of the university?

04:39:55.900 I was aware of that, yes.

04:39:57.600 So you knew that that towel was not found in a place where you would expect Mr. Twiggs' DNA to be present?

04:40:02.900 That is correct. It was found outside of a home, but again, based on speaking with the investigators,

04:40:06.340 they had information to suspect that that towel came from Mr. Robinson's home, and I should utilize Mr. Twiggs as an elimination.

04:40:13.680 Yeah, there was a towel that he laid down on when he shot,

04:40:17.140 and then he wrapped the gun in it when he hit it in the woods.

04:40:19.140 Right, and again, you didn't assume that.

04:40:21.220 You actually concluded it based on the match, right?

04:40:23.500 Based on reviewing Mr. Twig's DNA profile to what I developed on these items,

04:40:26.940 I used him as an elimination sample.

04:40:28.180 Now, you did various STR mix, what I'll call runs, correct?

04:40:34.340 That is correct, yes.

04:40:35.280 And the way this works is you input the number of contributors.

04:40:40.020 You determine that.

04:40:41.000 and then they also have something called hd and hp right correct yes tell the court what that is

04:40:46.740 so those are different propositions so in calculating the likelihood ratio likelihood

04:40:50.460 ratio compares the probabilities of seeing a dna profile given one of two different scenarios or

04:40:54.700 explanations or hypotheses one is that a particular person of interest is a contributor and the other

04:40:58.780 is that an unknown unrelated individual is a contributor so depending on the question being

04:41:02.960 asked is how i set up star mix number of contributors for example if i'm utilizing

04:41:06.440 someone as a known elimination sample, I will apply their DNA profile both to the HP and HD.

04:41:11.660 And the theory of this, HP is the prosecution hypothesis, right? Correct, yes. And HD is the

04:41:16.640 defense hypothesis? Correct, yes. So, and these are things you plug in based on your understanding of

04:41:22.140 what the prosecution and the defense are contending? Correct, yes. So how do you plug in the HD in a

04:41:25.920 case where you don't yet have a defense postulating what their theory is? So that is, so HD or the

04:41:31.180 defense hypothesis is simply the DNA profile, the probability of the DNA profile, given that it's

04:41:35.400 another unknown, unrelated person to the prosecution's potential personal interest.

04:41:40.200 I don't want to interrupt your line of questions, but we've been going for just shy of two hours.

04:41:43.400 We'd right now be the time to take a 15 minute break.

04:41:45.440 All right. So they they took a break or yeah, because I'm looking at the other people here.

04:41:53.320 So we could cover some news real quick.

04:41:57.740 So check this out. This dropped a couple hours ago.

04:41:59.920 Netanyahu responds to declining U.S. support for Israel.

04:42:02.600 um guys double tap the screen we're gonna shift real quick to some politics cover some news

04:42:08.420 he will consider selling f-35 fighter jets to turkey which is a reversal of a ban he put in

04:42:16.520 play as you guys know uh donald trump is in turkey right now he met with erdogan um the leader of

04:42:21.740 turkey and uh basically they're lifting up sanctions they're lifting sanctions off of turkey

04:42:25.740 and uh they might sell f-35s to turkey as well which obviously israel does not like that because

04:42:30.720 Israel does not like Turkey. Turkey has said some things about, uh, about Israel that they don't

04:42:36.500 like. So, um, yeah. Place. Uh, you said yesterday that would quote upset the power balance in

04:42:44.440 double tap guys. Let's get to, let's get to 500,000, man. If we don't get to 500,000,

04:42:48.440 I'm gonna give you all like 10 minutes. If we don't get to 500,000, I'm going to end the TikTok

04:42:51.540 stream. Okay. So come on guys, let's get it. In the middle East. Have you made that clear

04:42:57.440 to president trump yes i have actually spoke to him several times about it and

04:43:04.640 i think that everybody understands that notwithstanding the personal friendship that

04:43:10.740 president trump has with with erdogan it doesn't make turkey a friendly or a friendly state to the 0.97

04:43:18.920 united states to the contrary it's a regime that's infected with the muslim brotherhood which hates 0.85

04:43:25.360 the United States. He harbors Hamas, the Hamas terrorists. He supports them. He finances them. 0.96

04:43:31.660 He's thrown his opponents in jail, all of them. He throws more journalists in jail than anyone

04:43:37.280 can understand. So he's not exactly a model ally of the United States. But even worse than that,

04:43:43.260 he threatens Greece, a NATO ally. He occupies half of Cyprus, another NATO country. And the

04:43:50.700 most important thing and i put it right on the table he threatens to destroy my country the one

04:43:56.760 and only jewish state is number two says that we have no place among the nations and you know what

04:44:01.560 that means and is number three the interior minister says that he's well you're kind of a 0.69

04:44:06.600 war criminal bro and you kind of just did a genocide but okay looking forward to be the

04:44:10.720 governor of jerusalem but it's like he never tells you why everyone is saying all these things

04:44:14.880 oh but you know we're a sovereign country yeah but prime minister the president said this morning

04:44:20.460 president said this morning that they are great friends and not just that i'm shocked that he's

04:44:26.720 on cnn but you know what actually no no no because cnn was acquired by them so what am i talking

04:44:33.260 about two of them the countries recently i think barry weiss is it barry weiss going to be they're 0.94

04:44:42.360 going to move her over here if i'm not mistaken the united states and turkey and that turkey is

04:44:46.260 perhaps a better ally than other so-called allies so he is considering giving the country these

04:44:53.960 these planes f-35s and the reason why this is a big deal guys because um f-35s are like the

04:45:01.500 cornerstone of our um air superior or superiority alongside the f-22 now the f-22s we don't sell

04:45:07.400 anyone um those are super stealth but the f-35s we do but they're nerfed we give them um weaker

04:45:14.580 versions of the of the ones that we have the israelis have the the closest ones to the u.s

04:45:19.360 but those are nerfed too but they're still pretty strong well as i said it would destroy the power

04:45:25.480 balance in the middle east because uh because turkey uh i think has uh aggressive aspirations

04:45:32.820 I mean, they openly say that.

04:45:34.100 They want to restore the Ottoman Empire.

04:45:36.700 The Ottoman Empire not only included Turkey, it included many other countries, included

04:45:41.680 Syria, it included pieces of Jordan, included all of present-day Israel, included some Gulf

04:45:48.040 countries. 0.90

04:45:48.820 So this is not a force for peace and stability.

04:45:52.860 And if you give, you know, this kind of radical regime, that admittedly smiles to America

04:46:00.260 when it is necessary, or smiles to the president of the United States when it's necessary.

04:46:04.680 When you're given that power, you're going to see aggression in its wake. I wouldn't do that.

04:46:10.780 Prime Minister Netanyahu, the conversation that the president is having with Turkey today is just

04:46:16.820 the latest in moves that he has made that are not making you happy. He obviously imposed

04:46:22.740 ceasefires in Gaza, in Lebanon, on Iran. He made you turn fighters back from attacking Iran last

04:46:30.140 summer. He's told you. Okay, she's asking some real questions now. What you can and can't do

04:46:35.340 in Hezbollah. Who is calling the shots for Israel? Oh, I think there's a wide misperception 1.00

04:46:45.560 everything you said, because a lot of these things, some of them were not true and some of

04:46:49.920 them were agreed. Yeah, now we see why he never goes on CNN. In advance. And some of it, yes,

04:46:55.180 we had occasional disagreements. Look, he is the president of the United States. He does what is

04:47:00.720 good for the United States. I'm the prime minister of Israel. I do what is important for what is

04:47:06.920 good for Israel. And most of the time, these things are identical. I have to commend the

04:47:14.260 President, he brought a huge American force to counter our common enemy, which is Iran, 0.97

04:47:20.140 the chance death to Israel, death to America. Had they developed nuclear weapons, if we hadn't 0.93

04:47:25.300 acted, they would have them already. They would eventually use them against America,

04:47:30.880 not only against Israel. So on the big things, we see eye to eye, and occasionally we don't,

04:47:36.240 but we're true allies. They call us, the National Security Council issued a memorandum a few months

04:47:42.800 ago. They called Israel the model ally. And I can tell you that even allies can have their

04:47:47.860 differences. But I think America has no greater ally in the world than Israel. And Israel has

04:47:53.240 no greater ally than the United States. And I say that with complete recognition of the fact that we

04:47:59.240 sometimes see things a bit differently. It's natural. You're a big country. You're far away.

04:48:05.000 We're a small country beleaguered and close to these regimes that want to destroy us. 0.99

04:48:09.360 I want to talk specifically about Iran for a moment, sir.

04:48:13.440 President Trump said the memorandum of understanding with Iran is probably an unconditional surrender.

04:48:20.060 But the specific question is, under this MOU, the United States terminates all types... 0.81

04:48:26.620 Which Israel ruined for us, by the way, because they won't stop attacking Lebanon.

04:48:30.900 ...sanctions against Iran.

04:48:33.340 Is this a failure for your country, for Israel?

04:48:39.360 Look, I think it's too early to say what will happen. 0.60

04:48:41.800 The president believes that he can stop Iran's nuclear program, which is a nuclear program to create atomic bombs. 0.79

04:48:49.480 He believes that he can do this through negotiations. 0.80

04:48:52.100 Do you?

04:48:52.640 And various pressures.

04:48:55.860 Look, I have my doubts, but I think he should be given the chance.

04:48:59.340 And he's, you know, trying to do, to achieve that.

04:49:04.080 It remains to be seen. 0.75

04:49:05.100 But I have said, and by the way, I think President Trump has said, too, that deal or no deal, I certainly would not let Iran have nuclear weapons. 0.56

04:49:14.060 And that is also the president's position.

04:49:17.600 In 2015, I was there.

04:49:19.500 I remember that you came to the U.S. and spoke to Congress over the objection.

04:49:24.280 Yeah, he did.

04:49:25.840 As Obama was on his way out, yeah, he did.

04:49:27.920 President Obama, because of your opposition to that Iran deal, the JPCOA, you specifically

04:49:34.840 mentioned the deal's sanction relief in that speech. What's different about now?

04:49:40.340 Oh, she's asking some good questions that they would never dare ask Netanyahu on Fox.

04:49:48.480 I think Iran, look, our combined action, the U.S. and Israeli action today destroyed,

04:49:55.320 I think the lowest estimates are $400 billion of the regime's infrastructure, and some say

04:50:02.240 as much as three-quarters of a trillion dollars or even a trillion dollars. So I think what is

04:50:07.680 being discussed now are very small numbers. Admittedly, any number is a high number as far

04:50:14.640 as countries like Israel and others see it, but it is not, it's not going to allow Iran to

04:50:24.280 reestablish itself the question remains at the end of the negotiations if there's a deal struck

04:50:30.820 then you have to see does the deal actually meet the main goals the most important one

04:50:36.200 being ending iran's nuclear program taking out the enriched material uh dismantling you guys

04:50:42.700 want to know the truth israel doesn't really care too much about the nuclear program they

04:50:46.040 just say that because that's that sounds it's politically um you know it's easier to justify

04:50:51.060 a war for that the real fear is the ballistic missiles bro that's the real fear that is the

04:50:59.220 real fear for them the proxies and the ballistic missiles are like the main things the nuclear

04:51:03.760 weapons sure you can make that argument even though they don't have them but after the six

04:51:08.940 day war last year i'm sorry i said six day war after the 12 day war last year six day war is 67

04:51:14.400 um Israel figured out that um you know those ballistic missiles hurt quite a bit man 1.00

04:51:22.260 they figured out real quick that shit hurts 0.99

04:51:29.860 bro yo they learned the hard way bro so that is their real fear guys is the ballistic missiles 0.99

04:51:47.520 handling the enrichment sites and there are other things that have to do with

04:51:52.240 proxy warfare and ballistic missiles if it achieves that then yes iran will get uh sanctions

04:51:57.940 relief. And that would help the regime resuscitate itself. But I don't see that happening yet. And I

04:52:05.960 hope that the president will do exactly as he promised to do, to make sure that Iran does not

04:52:11.440 have a nuclear weapons program. The issue of supporting Israel as a Jewish state and just

04:52:18.380 U.S. support for Israel overall, they have become a central issue in American politics,

04:52:24.880 really a litmus test right now in Democratic primaries here in the U.S.

04:52:29.240 I want you to listen to how the mayor of New York City responded

04:52:32.940 when he was asked if he supports Israel as a Jewish state.

04:52:38.440 I've said time and again that I support the state of Israel as a state with equal rights.

04:52:42.900 I believe that any state that preferences...

04:52:44.340 But as a Jewish state is the question. 0.97

04:52:45.980 I think any state that privileges one... 1.00

04:52:47.720 Yeah, no thanks, buddy.

04:52:49.540 Nope.

04:52:50.540 ...over the other is one that I can't tell you I support,

04:52:52.980 whether it be Israel or Saudi Arabia or anywhere else.

04:52:56.220 And a lot of that comes back to a fundamental belief

04:52:58.280 that we should all be considered equal no matter what our faith is.

04:53:02.700 Your response?

04:53:05.780 Bro, you have the politically correct answer.

04:53:08.060 Let's see what he says.

04:53:09.380 Well, he conveniently forgets that the only democracy in the Middle East is Israel.

04:53:13.740 20% of our...

04:53:14.580 Bro, okay, let's debunk each of these things.

04:53:17.760 He said this all the time.

04:53:18.720 So, you know what, let's let him say...

04:53:20.140 I already know what he's going to say.

04:53:21.120 i haven't i haven't um watched this interview by the way here we go we're the only democracy

04:53:29.400 middle east 20 of our population population is palestinian we allow them to have all the

04:53:35.940 same rights as us they have representation in knesset what else is he going to say let's see

04:53:40.700 our citizens are in fact muslims they're not

04:53:45.100 but they sit in the supreme court they're in the knesset our parliament bro come on i do this 0.85

04:53:56.180 come on guys like yo when you've watched benjamin daniel as much as i have

04:54:08.640 you know what he's gonna say bro is it a point my brother has a spot-on impersonation of netanyahu

04:54:16.200 bro it's hilarious it's hilarious but like dude i've watched so many of his interviews man if you

04:54:21.720 guys watch my streams like dude we've watched this guy talk so much he has like the perfect

04:54:27.720 talking points so let's address some of these things what he won't tell you is this they're

04:54:33.380 never gonna let it be more than 20 they need to maintain the majority the 80 that's why they call 1.00

04:54:37.860 themselves a jewish state that's number one number two the palestinians that live there don't enjoy 0.99

04:54:41.500 all the same rights and benefits that the jewish people do because there's a lot a lot of laws 0.99

04:54:46.020 there's like 60 laws out there in israel that allow uh that that palestinians can't really 0.97

04:54:51.000 take advantage of right because they're not jewish it is what it is um what else um it's 0.99

04:54:56.420 not a democracy because it's an apartheid by definition the west bank gaza they have no rights 0.79

04:55:02.420 and they're occupied right they're not they're they're not full-fledged citizen whatsoever they

04:55:06.300 have no representation that is the opposite of a democracy so um when he sits there and says

04:55:11.800 we're the only democracy in the middle east it's laughable they uh share every walk of life

04:55:17.640 that's the only place in the middle east where you actually have this uh this equality that he's

04:55:23.180 talking about but uh he is supported that's a lie go to the west bank and talk about that equality

04:55:29.020 bro that's cat that's cat man and then on top of that um even within israel itself um the

04:55:37.920 palestinians that live there the arabs that live there still don't have uh all the same rights as

04:55:41.480 the jewish israelis that live there uh or his supporters have supported hamas these people 0.87

04:55:48.000 who murder people who beheaded our men who raped our women oh god here we go and then murdered them 0.99

04:55:53.940 burned babies oh he's mentioning the burned babies 0.99

04:55:57.180 he's still using the burned babies lie 0.99

04:56:04.020 men raped our women and then murdered them uh burned babies alive and so on he said the river 0.86

04:56:13.020 did you guys know that on october 7th only one baby was killed her name was myla cohen 0.99

04:56:18.820 that's a lie one baby was killed on october 7th obviously that's horrible

04:56:25.540 but she was shot by um by a random uh fire

04:56:30.880 mila cohen to the sea he supports him this is how do i know her name and he doesn't what's going on

04:56:38.920 here bro this is not mere cynicism i mean it's ridiculous it's absurd there are uh always

04:56:47.580 imperfect democracies. Israel is an imperfect democracy. The United States is-

04:56:52.620 They exaggerate October 7th so much, guys, to justify massive aggression against Gaza.

04:57:04.300 So-

04:57:05.100 An imperfect democracy.

04:57:07.500 Yanglang, thanks for the love, bro. Appreciate you.

04:57:10.780 Why? Because we live in the real world. But it's a hundred times better than these

04:57:15.260 dictatorships and these horrible, horrible tyrannies that Mamdani and his supporters support.

04:57:23.340 So yeah, I stand completely with the Jewish state, the democratic Jewish state that fights

04:57:28.160 for its life, but we also... See, notice how he said the democratic Jewish state?

04:57:33.080 By definition, that means it's not a democracy.

04:57:38.760 Because when you say it's a Jewish state, that by itself... 0.92

04:57:42.700 Burt your witness that by itself implies that the Jews have to be the majority which means it's not

04:57:47.780 a democracy but anyway uh let's go back to the trial guys as you guys can see we do it all over 0.80

04:57:53.520 here man all you TikTok ninjas you guys can see we do it all cover news trials etc uh smash the

04:58:00.100 like button on TikTok guys let's get up to 500,000. Mr. Baker would you take a look at in your

04:58:06.740 notes, page 24

04:58:08.880 of

04:58:10.520 379.

04:58:18.260 At the very bottom of the page.

04:58:28.740 Did you write there on the 15th

04:58:31.260 of September, 2025,

04:58:33.760 spoke with

04:58:35.840 If Special Agent Folger gave update on report timeline, discuss it upon review, it was decided that additional statistics needed to be run, report will still be issued with twigs as an assumed contributor per previous discussions with Folger and Carmack.

04:58:56.920 Do you see that?

04:58:57.620 Yes, I do.

04:58:58.700 Here we go.

04:58:59.420 And what additional statistics needed to be run at that time?

04:59:03.720 So at that time, I believe I ran statistics with just twigs comparing that individual to the sample.

04:59:15.020 If I may refer, I think that was the only additional.

04:59:33.720 Yes, after discussion with my reviewer, it was determined that I was also going to calculate

04:59:43.040 a statistic or compare twigs by himself, comparing him to the evidence, and having that run in

04:59:49.540 my case file.

04:59:51.040 Okay.

04:59:52.980 And could you go to tab 38, page 39?

05:00:05.300 Yeah, it should not be on the screen.

05:00:07.100 Let's pull it down from the screen.

05:00:09.640 Thank you.

05:00:10.220 Thank you.

05:00:10.420 So just to the monitors of the attorneys and the witness, Mr. Burt?

05:00:15.640 Just for the witness, Your Honor.

05:00:17.240 Okay, just for the witness.

05:00:18.660 39.

05:00:20.160 And this is it.

05:00:21.120 yeah page 39 is this the dna report i'm sorry the star mix report that you that was produced as a

05:00:32.760 result of your uh inquiry that involved a comparison of the sample to mr twigs alone

05:00:40.440 yes it is and is that a six-page report yes it is and is keep double tapping guys we're at 488

05:00:49.260 Let's get $500,000.

05:00:50.800 Keep double tapping it just.

05:00:52.100 Is it a true and accurate copy of the STR mix report for that particular sample?

05:01:06.480 Yes, it is.

05:01:07.700 Move that into evidence, Ron.

05:01:09.060 This would be...

05:01:11.020 Noob Diamond come in and says,

05:01:12.580 I don't believe Tyler Robinson was even there.

05:01:15.300 There's no strong evidence.

05:01:16.180 time to send you to the shadow

05:01:21.640 the future is mine 1.00

05:01:46.180 bro bro even his defense is conceding that he was there moron like what are you talking about 1.00

05:01:55.060 bro what are you talking about man his own defense is conceding that he was there you idiot 1.00

05:02:01.580 holy crap people are dumb baker 38 page 39 through 1.00

05:02:08.560 44. 0.99

05:02:12.300 Baker 38, page 39 through...

05:02:15.380 I'm seeking admission as well as publication to the audience and the camera.

05:02:21.100 I just want to make sure I have the label correct.

05:02:22.680 Baker 38, pages 39 through 44.

05:02:24.980 Did I hear that correctly?

05:02:25.500 That's correct, Your Honor.

05:02:26.320 All right.

05:02:26.720 To the state.

05:02:28.480 Yes, Your Honor.

05:02:28.840 I object on grounds of relevance to the probable cause of termination.

05:02:32.660 All right.

05:02:33.440 And Mr. Burt, would you like to respond?

05:02:35.560 Submitted, Your Honor.

05:02:38.560 so i'm not not exactly sure what this is in order to determine how it fits into the probable cause

05:02:46.520 analysis uh no that guy nuke diamond was from kick bro that dude was from kick we so we had

05:02:51.980 to give him the kick that wasn't a tiktok person that was a kick person a little bit more information

05:02:57.500 making us look bad bro because as of right now i don't have enough to admit it understood and i

05:03:01.600 apologize to the court so the report that was admitted into evidence uh has the conclusion in

05:03:07.500 that both samples were contributed, that Mr. Twiggs was a contributor to both samples.

05:03:13.560 And this is the report that the analysts ran in order to make that determination, I believe.

05:03:20.560 All right.

05:03:21.320 And did these reports, were these made prior to State's Exhibit 31 being prepared?

05:03:29.520 Yes.

05:03:30.640 That's correct.

05:03:31.800 All right.

05:03:32.080 I will admit, so Baker 38, pages 39 through 44 is admitted and may be published.

05:03:41.080 Again, as a reminder, for all attorneys, this is a probable cause standard,

05:03:46.020 so if all parties can just keep that in mind as we're moving forward on this.

05:03:50.520 Sure.

05:03:51.100 Thank you.

05:03:51.900 Thank you.

05:03:53.180 So it may be published to all screens.

05:03:54.580 Yeah, it's page 39.

05:04:24.560 the sample through StarMix? Yes. Now, at the top, this is the StarMix unit dated September 15th,

05:04:34.080 and it relates to item 7-1, correct? That is correct, yes. All right. And then down below that,

05:04:41.420 the kit used, if you could go to the summary of the input, you tell the software program,

05:04:48.060 Assume there are two contributors, right?

05:04:52.420 Correct, yes.

05:04:53.200 You input sample 7A.

05:04:56.660 Correct, yes.

05:04:57.440 And when you input it, it's just the raw data, right?

05:04:59.800 Correct, just the numbers from the graph.

05:05:01.740 The numbers.

05:05:02.120 And then known contributors under HP, the prosecution hypothesis.

05:05:10.120 Correct, yes.

05:05:11.840 And you put in sample 61.

05:05:14.640 Yes.

05:05:15.380 That's TWIGS's known sample.

05:05:17.180 Correct, yes.

05:05:17.660 And then the known contributors under the defense hypothesis, you left that blank.

05:05:23.080 Correct.

05:05:23.600 Is that because you didn't know what the defense hypothesis was?

05:05:26.560 No, again, the defense hypothesis for the situation if I'm comparing someone is an unknown, unrelated individual,

05:05:33.000 and that is taken into account during the calculation.

05:05:35.440 Okay, and then you input that data, and what you get out from that is a likelihood ratio, right?

05:05:40.920 Correct, yes.

05:05:41.420 So let's go to page two of that report.

05:05:43.400 and is this a summary of the results from that test on the 15th in terms of a likelihood ratio

05:05:50.840 yes it is what is a likelihood ratio what does that mean a likelihood ratio is a statistic that

05:05:56.040 calculates the probability of seeing a dna profile given one of two different hypotheses one is that

05:06:01.420 a particular person of interest is a contributor and the other is that an unknown unrelated

05:06:05.340 individual is a contributor the probability with the higher number gets the support and

05:06:09.600 the magnitude of the support is determined by the ratio of those two numbers.

05:06:14.920 That's pretty technical stuff, but the bottom line is that the software computes the numbers,

05:06:21.240 and then you look at those numbers and determine whether it has any significance, right?

05:06:26.600 I don't know that I would say if it has significance. I report the value that's

05:06:30.840 calculated.

05:06:31.160 All right, and why is one column, these columns relate to different what are called population

05:06:36.640 databases, right?

05:06:37.760 That is correct, yes.

05:06:38.400 The one in the far left, BAH, is an FBI population database on Bahamans.

05:06:44.160 And African-Americans, yes.

05:06:45.440 African-Americans. 1.00

05:06:46.180 Another one for Caucasians. 1.00

05:06:48.140 Correct, yes. 1.00

05:06:48.940 SEH is Southeast Hispanics. 0.74

05:06:51.140 Correct. 0.94

05:06:52.440 And then Southwest Hispanics. 0.70

05:06:54.660 Correct. 0.99

05:06:56.000 That's all I have on that.

05:06:57.080 I'm just trying to explain the chart.

05:06:58.340 All right, well, there's an objection.

05:06:59.420 Let's pause and turn it to Mr. McBride.

05:07:01.660 Sure.

05:07:02.220 Your Honor, at this point I'm going to object on, again, grounds of relevance to probable cause hearing.

05:07:06.840 state v drozbeck state v merrill um savior ramirez okay now now he's now he's citing he

05:07:12.300 got tired of this guy he now he's citing case law why this dude needs to shut up and stop asking

05:07:16.440 these questions so as you guys can see the the the prosecution is annoyed they're really annoyed

05:07:25.360 i think was this is the fourth objection guys i think this has been his like fourth or fifth

05:07:30.900 objection now at this point to the defense um asking all these questions about dna so uh

05:07:37.500 so now he's citing now he's citing other case law as to why this guy is going uh he's going full um 0.68

05:07:44.680 full moron has cited all hold that uh the court should bind the defendant over for trial unless 0.74

05:07:52.460 the evidence is wholly lacking and incapable of reasonable inference to prove some issue 0.96

05:07:55.940 supports the prosecution's claim i don't know that any of this analysis goes to whether or not

05:08:01.360 the expert's testimony and her report is wholly lacking and incapable of reasonable inference to

05:08:08.140 prove her result in this case we're far beyond this we're hours into this examination this feels

05:08:14.300 like a 702 hearing to me it yeah and uh they've been going for like two hours now bro's been

05:08:20.500 asking all kinds of questions on dna bro pulling out textbooks hey you know this guy you know this

05:08:26.500 scientist yeah you know this guy i think we're far beyond a probable cause hearing someone in

05:08:30.760 youtube thing uh bozo destroyer says show trial disgraceful uh buddy this is not a trial you 1.00

05:08:38.000 idiot time to send you to the shadow round the future is mine bomba cut fuck out here man bro 1.00

05:08:48.720 I'm tired of these stupid people, man. 1.00

05:08:50.020 It's just like, bro, like. 1.00

05:09:06.700 Bro, the Shadowrum is like getting packed with idiots. 1.00

05:09:11.680 Bro comes in here. 1.00

05:09:12.700 This is a show trial. 1.00

05:09:15.460 Nigga, shut up. 1.00

05:09:16.340 This ain't a trial, idiot. 1.00

05:09:17.880 Your Honor. 0.99

05:09:18.100 I would ask the court to sustain the objection, not allow questioning on this or any other matter that does not deal with the issue of probable cause.

05:09:29.360 Thank you, Mr. McBride.

05:09:30.780 Mr. Burtz.

05:09:31.520 The state offered this report on a very technical, complex, scientific area of inquiry.

05:09:38.360 And they offered to the court a conclusion in that report that Mr. Robinson and Mr. Twiggs were contributors to two samples that were found at the crime scene.

05:09:47.160 They obviously think that's relevant to the probable cause inquiry, or they wouldn't have offered the report in the first place.

05:09:53.320 So having done that, I think the defense is entitled to inquire whether those conclusions are reliable,

05:09:59.140 because that, again, is the court's ultimate determination here, reliability of this evidence.

05:10:03.620 And the court can decide it's not relevant, it's not, I'm sorry, it's not reliable,

05:10:08.340 therefore I'm not going to rely on that in determining probable cause.

05:10:11.540 or the court could say it is reliable

05:10:14.880 and it bolsters up other evidence

05:10:16.620 that the court is going to hear from

05:10:17.760 so the particular report in front of us

05:10:20.520 goes directly to the issue of whether

05:10:22.160 the expert correctly

05:10:24.360 concluded that Twiggs

05:10:26.680 not was a possible contributor

05:10:28.500 but was a contributor

05:10:29.640 and the state's theory apparently is that both Mr. Robinson

05:10:32.520 and Mr. Twiggs are somehow connected

05:10:34.360 to this crime scene

05:10:35.140 so I think when the court sees

05:10:37.720 what the numbers were generated

05:10:40.240 and how that compares to her own standards for assessment,

05:10:44.240 the court will see that the conclusion is not justified that she reached.

05:10:47.980 All right.

05:10:49.380 Well, I understand what both parties are saying.

05:10:51.880 And at a probable cause hearing,

05:10:54.260 the issue is whether we walk one mile or 100 miles down the path.

05:10:57.580 And so I want to keep it limited to one mile.

05:11:00.660 And as opposed...

05:11:01.220 We're way beyond that.

05:11:03.340 Bro spent well over two hours on this.

05:11:05.440 ...to 100 miles, because that would exceed the probable cause standard

05:11:08.100 for a preliminary hearing for what is before me.

05:11:11.440 And so, Mr. Burt, as it relates to the objection,

05:11:15.220 I'm going to sustain it in part.

05:11:17.020 If you want to briefly address this and move on,

05:11:21.440 you certainly may choose to do so.

05:11:23.380 But as it relates to where we're at,

05:11:27.600 my hope is we can keep this very brief

05:11:30.400 as opposed to going through all this.

05:11:31.800 Yeah, bro's been saying this forever.

05:11:33.580 Yeah, you got to keep nothing brief.

05:11:34.880 He's about to pull out another textbook, this guy.

05:11:36.420 You can move on to whatever else you would like to present.

05:11:38.880 Thank you.

05:11:39.280 We'll do that, Your Honor.

05:11:40.600 In the interest of doing that, could you bring up on the same screen part of her report,

05:11:46.480 People's Exhibit 31.

05:11:48.000 And let's take that off.

05:11:50.120 I'm going to need that up there because I need to do it.

05:11:52.100 Oh, so is it part of the same?

05:11:53.960 Because it was on that screen.

05:11:55.000 I want to make sure that what you're calling up on the screen right now, is it part of

05:11:57.700 this that was already admitted or something else?

05:11:59.260 It's part of this, which has already been admitted compared to People's or Plaintiff

05:12:03.800 Exhibit 31, which has also been admitted.

05:12:05.660 Okay, thank you.

05:12:06.260 i just wanted to clarify sure all right so um if you and you want that published on this

05:12:10.580 yes all right let's go ahead and do so

05:12:15.060 in the chart i would like you to bring up from that report is on page five

05:12:20.260 and just highlight that

05:12:36.600 thank you

05:12:42.200 all right um so okay so another document so what we've uh blown up there is from your report

05:12:49.820 plainest 31 and you provided this chart in the report, correct? That is correct.

05:12:54.800 Explain to the court how this works, what this chart is supposed to represent.

05:12:58.160 Sure. So this is our verbal scale. In addition to the numerical likelihood

05:13:02.320 ratio value that I provide, I also give a qualitative or a verbal equivalent to

05:13:06.300 that numerical value. That gives some kind of context to to what that

05:13:09.620 likelihood ratio means. Okay and on the left, explain what the greater than 1

05:13:16.400 million less than one in a hundred means what does that scale relate to sure so

05:13:21.000 that scale is the numerical value of the likelihood ratio so if I have a

05:13:24.380 likelihood ratio that's greater than or equal to 1 million I designate that as

05:13:28.100 very strong support for inclusion the next example 10,000 to less than 1

05:13:32.480 million I would say that's very strong support for inclusion and so forth so

05:13:35.600 you need to reach a likelihood ratio of two in order to get even limited

05:13:38.740 support for an inclusion let me try to make this a bit bigger for you guys

05:13:41.280 correct correct yes okay if you could not uh gotcha ninjas reduce that

05:13:53.040 and go to page two of the report on the left

05:14:04.640 so from this chart when you ran mr twigs against the sample

05:14:10.080 We just crossed the five-hour mark on TikTok.

05:14:12.020 I don't think I've ever been on TikTok this long

05:14:13.600 without getting banned, so we did it.

05:14:15.860 The key is I just got to cover true crime on TikTok,

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05:14:42.600 you're on tiktok and all my cake ninjas you guys want to get the sub help broke you out that puts

05:14:47.480 the fries in the bag and it'll be greatly appreciated what was the likelihood ratio

05:14:53.200 that you determined i believe this chart is not the comparison to mr twigs that's not in the report

05:15:00.800 the chart at the bottom of the screen is not my comparison to mr twigs

05:15:06.540 Mr. Twigs, by the way, guys, is the boyfriend

05:15:10.680 Let's verify that if we could take that down

05:15:17.460 The highlight

05:15:18.940 Yeah, I think if I just use sound effects, I'll be alright

05:15:32.340 And repost

05:15:33.460 38 page 45 i'm sorry

05:15:38.500 page 39 that is why wait for them to get ready uh basically guys what's going on right now is

05:15:51.300 the defense is cross-examining or well actually it's their witness kind of it's kind of weird

05:15:56.060 because i think they called her on but either way uh this woman works for the fbi she's like

05:16:01.920 a dna specialist um and what he's trying to do here is he's kind of trying to attack the credibility

05:16:07.500 of the report that she prepared because he's saying you took three sample sizes but then you

05:16:11.620 only mentioned two sample sizes and um in one situation you're saying that hey i can't

05:16:17.420 definitely say that it's twigs but i can definitely say that it's robinson so that's kind of where

05:16:21.840 we've been um and he's been going into great granular detail talking about dna talk about

05:16:27.100 reports pulling up you know different textbooks that are used talk about the history of dna and

05:16:31.740 that's what's been going on right now.

05:16:32.760 So give me one thing to chat if that all makes sense.

05:16:36.640 But that's a very abbreviated elevator pitch

05:16:41.800 on what's been going on right now

05:16:43.660 for those of you that are just joining now

05:16:45.100 and wondering what the hell am I looking at here, Myron?

05:16:49.540 All right, awesome.

05:16:50.400 Got you, ninjas. 0.93

05:16:51.580 Get back to it.

05:16:52.920 In evidence.

05:16:55.240 There we go.

05:16:55.820 Second page.

05:16:56.620 is this the likelihood ratio from your twigs comparison yes it is okay now what was the

05:17:04.860 likelihood ratio that you calculated based on this chart likelihood ratio was one one yes so

05:17:10.700 that doesn't rise to the level of even limited inclusion correct correct it would fall under

05:17:14.760 an uninformative uninformative and yet you concluded that despite this str mixed reading

05:17:19.120 with a likelihood ratio of one that mr twigs was a contributor to both item seven and item eight

05:17:24.740 correct i did so actually i didn't utilize this calculation to determine that mr twigs was a

05:17:28.960 possible contributor or that i could use him as an assumed contributor um i i visually looked at

05:17:32.740 the dna and again twigs is tyler romps's boyfriend and they live in the same house that's why

05:17:36.860 he's being uh brought in uh and they're like testing his dna too

05:17:41.140 sample and the dna unlike that major contributor he also had those peaks so that was one uh

05:17:48.100 proposition or one hypothesis that i determined that he was uh an assumed contributor um there

05:17:53.280 are multiple different ways. We don't have a threshold. I don't have to see two, four, eight

05:17:56.600 peaks to determine, I think, an individual is present. Given that the field submitted him as

05:18:00.900 an elimination, I assumed he was a contributor. When I compared him to that data, I did see his

05:18:05.000 DNA present. So when I calculated the statistic for Mr. Robinson, I used Mr. Twiggs as an elimination.

05:18:10.820 Let me see if I understand that. The STR mix that you relied upon to include Mr. Robinson,

05:18:15.960 you relied on the STR mix to... Okay, this part is going to be important here because this is where

05:18:19.900 is going to try to make his point so let's see what happens include mr robinson as a possible

05:18:25.340 contributor correct correct yes but when you ran mr twigs's sample through sdr mix the result you

05:18:30.100 got was that he was not a contributor correct or that it was it didn't it was of no not even of

05:18:35.800 limited value in including it based on the star mix run it was uninformative but i did use my

05:18:40.920 own knowledge and training to determine that i was going to utilize him as an assumed contributor

05:18:44.780 Okay.

05:18:46.000 Your own knowledge in training.

05:18:48.100 Is there some standard that you use for deciding when not to rely on the StarMix results

05:18:53.060 and when to sort of disregard it and rely on your training and experience?

05:18:58.080 I can't say that I disregarded it.

05:18:59.680 When I'm comparing someone, that's my first determination.

05:19:01.860 Do I think this person is potentially included or excluded?

05:19:03.980 If I determine that I think they're included, I will run StarMix to give weight to that inclusion.

05:19:08.020 Elimination samples are different.

05:19:09.280 If I'm told that an individual is submitted as an elimination sample, I can assume they're there.

05:19:13.440 Visually, I'm able to look at the DNA evidence and determine, yes, I think there's enough evidence there to assume that individual, which is what I did here.

05:19:19.140 Okay. At D16, Mr. Twiggs was a 912, right?

05:19:27.420 According to your electrophilograms.

05:19:34.780 That is correct, yes. Mr. Twiggs was a 912 at D16.

05:19:37.680 912. And did you find 912 at that location in the 8-1 sample?

05:19:43.100 I'm sorry, sample 8 or sample 7?

05:19:46.620 Sample 8.

05:19:49.240 And the two, just so you guys know, they're testing the towel and the screwdriver.

05:19:54.700 That's where they pulled DNA from by using the FBI.

05:20:04.460 The only piece of information I had for sample 8 at item D16 was a 12.

05:20:09.140 And you said twigs at that was a 912, right?

05:20:11.540 Correct, yes.

05:20:11.960 But at that location, the evidence sample was not a 9-12, but a 12.

05:20:16.000 That was the only piece of information that was recovered at that location.

05:20:19.420 Let me ask you about your interpretation rules for excluding someone.

05:20:25.120 Is this an accurate statement?

05:20:26.560 This is from Butler's textbook.

05:20:28.000 In forensic DNA analysis, if any STR locus fails to match when comparing the genotypes

05:20:34.420 between two or more samples, then the comparison of profiles between the question and the reference

05:20:39.500 sample is usually declared a non-match, regardless of how many other loci match.

05:20:43.980 I would agree with that if it's a single source sample. So single source, again, meaning from one

05:20:47.520 individual. If I have a DNA profile from evidence and I compare it to a known individual,

05:20:51.620 if there's a difference at even one location, I can say it's an exclusion. If I have a mixture,

05:20:55.320 it's not that cut and dry. I have to take into account how many people are in that mixture,

05:20:58.560 how many pieces of information I have, is there a potential dropout. So it's just because someone

05:21:03.360 may not be present in a mixture doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going to automatically exclude them.

05:21:06.440 I see. At D19S, what was Mr. Twiggs' type?

05:21:13.480 Gay. 0.99

05:21:15.100 He was a 14-16. 0.99

05:21:16.320 Did you find a 16 allele in the 8A sample?

05:21:20.100 No, I did not.

05:21:22.320 Okay.

05:21:24.040 At Tho, what was Mr. Twiggs' type?

05:21:27.760 He was a...

05:21:28.380 They said, what was his type? 0.99

05:21:29.660 Gay. 0.87

05:21:30.960 7-9.3.

05:21:32.120 Did you find a 7 allele in the 8-1 sample?

05:21:36.440 No, I did not. But again, this is a mixture, and there is some dropout.

05:21:39.260 So just because I didn't see a seven, for example, does not mean I would automatically exclude someone.

05:21:43.600 It's a mixture, so there was some dropout.

05:21:45.320 So did you assume that at that location that the allele that dropped out matched his allele?

05:21:51.420 At that location, no. There's only one individual represented there.

05:21:55.340 So when comparing an elimination, I would essentially ignore that location.

05:21:58.420 I'm looking at the other locations where there was two individuals present.

05:22:01.260 Okay. Now a couple more.

05:22:02.820 When you received this, the evidence, you got more than seven and eight, correct?

05:22:11.520 You got a number of other samples?

05:22:12.680 Correct.

05:22:13.020 You got a backpack, which you labeled as exhibit nine, and a bunch of items from that backpack, correct?

05:22:20.280 Correct, yes.

05:22:20.760 You were initially told that those items related to things that may have been discarded by the suspect.

05:22:26.580 So initially, we didn't have any information, so we processed that.

05:22:29.800 Those are items that are good for DNA.

05:22:30.800 not having any information from the investigators

05:22:32.960 we processed them for DNA. As the investigation

05:22:34.740 continues, it was determined that that backpack

05:22:36.480 was potentially left behind by a bystander

05:22:39.220 and there was no comparisons needed at that time.

05:22:42.080 Well, left behind

05:22:43.260 by a bystander or according to your notes at page

05:22:45.180 20, the backpack belongs to Kirk's

05:22:47.320 detailees.

05:22:54.120 Yes, based on individual

05:22:55.280 that was not my communication log.

05:22:57.400 That was someone else within the laboratory.

05:22:58.360 Yeah, guys, I have it sped up. 0.97

05:23:00.280 She doesn't talk that fast.

05:23:03.300 Before you received any samples, did you request to perform what's called destructive testing on the samples?

05:23:12.600 Yes, I did.

05:23:13.180 And destructive testing is essentially consuming the sample, cutting the cotton off of the Q-tip or the swab,

05:23:19.780 subjecting it to testing, so there's nothing remaining.

05:23:22.940 I have to request permission to consume prior to doing so, and I did in this case.

05:23:26.780 And why did you do that?

05:23:28.360 That is part of our protocols, that we have to request permission to consume, and we consume, so DNA, we can't see it, so when an item is swabbed, we don't know how much DNA is on that swab, if anything, or how that swab was used.

05:23:40.040 Did someone just swab using one side of it? Did they roll it and use all sides? Because I don't know that, it's our practice to consume that swab. It's our best chance of getting any DNA evidence.

05:23:49.740 And that's a determination that you made in this case before you even saw any of the evidence, correct?

05:23:55.000 Determination to consume?

05:23:56.200 Yeah.

05:23:56.460 Yes.

05:23:56.660 Okay. Now, remember I referred to that NRC report?

05:24:00.860 Yes.

05:24:01.140 1996. Did they say they're a wrongfully accused person's best insurance against the possibility of being falsely incriminated is the opportunity to have the testing repeated? Such an opportunity should be provided whenever possible?

05:24:15.120 Yes, that does say that.

05:24:16.320 And does your laboratory have a policy, Standard 7.4, which says,

05:24:25.180 where possible, the laboratory shall retain or return a portion of the evidence, sample, or extract?

05:24:32.020 That is correct, and we do actually return the remaining extract, the liquid, from our DNA testing.

05:24:38.840 So we did consume the swab.

05:24:40.520 However, there was a small amount of liquid that was left and returned.

05:24:44.680 On some of the items.

05:24:46.320 Right?

05:24:47.320 I believe on all of the items.

05:24:53.320 We'll get to that in a minute.

05:24:56.320 And that policy that I read is from your lab policy, right?

05:25:01.320 Yes.

05:25:02.320 The FBI's lab policy?

05:25:03.320 Yes, it is.

05:25:04.320 And then is there also a similar policy from the quality assurance standards, the FBI quality

05:25:12.320 which says the laboratory must have a policy on sample consumption.

05:25:17.940 The policy is expected to provide instruction for if and when the laboratory may or may not consume a sample

05:25:25.460 and any documentation that the laboratory requires.

05:25:30.380 That is correct, yes.

05:25:31.920 Okay.

05:25:32.600 Now, your report indicates that certain samples were destroyed, consumed, correct?

05:25:38.060 That is correct, yes.

05:25:39.300 And which samples were consumed?

05:25:42.320 Items 1 through 6, which were swabs from possible smudge, swabs of hand swipe, swabs from possible

05:25:56.580 sweat drop, swabs from possible smudge, swabs of possible smudge, and swabs from possible

05:26:03.220 sweat drop, in addition to items 54 and 55, which were swabs of swiped finger areas and

05:26:13.360 swabs of stairwell railing.

05:26:18.740 Okay, so when you wrote in your report that those items were consumed, which of those

05:26:26.420 items, and by that you mean the actual swab was consumed?

05:26:33.220 Correct. So a swab is just like a Q-tip. So the cotton portion of that swab was cut off the wooden stick, placed into a tube, subjected to DNA testing.

05:26:42.820 So we consider that consuming. But again, there is liquid at the end of the process that is returned to the field.

05:26:49.720 And the normal procedure in terms of sample preservation would be something called sample splitting, right?

05:26:55.700 You split the swab and you use half.

05:26:58.300 You save half so that your testing results can be replicated and retested.

05:27:04.860 So yes, however, again, I don't know how an item is swabbed.

05:27:09.660 So even if I were to cut that swab in half, it could be that I'm testing the half that doesn't have any DNA

05:27:15.320 and the other half may have some DNA.

05:27:18.000 Or the swab may have a little bit of DNA on one side and a lot on the other side.

05:27:24.580 So for the best possible chance of getting a DNA profile, it is our practice to consume the entire swab.

05:27:31.240 So for the first six items, those were swabs that were taken from the northeast corner of the Losey building, correct?

05:27:40.660 Correct, yes.

05:27:43.540 And you used all of the Losey building, guys, is where the shock came from.

05:27:50.080 So when they're saying they took the DNA from there, that probably came from the screwdriver.

05:27:52.660 All of the swabs, and you concluded that there was no DNA present on any of those items, correct?

05:28:00.040 That is correct.

05:28:00.700 So you couldn't do any comparative testing?

05:28:02.860 Correct. There was nothing for me to compare to.

05:28:04.840 Okay. And what did you have left after you did that in terms of the volume of extract? What was left?

05:28:12.980 So it was approximately 3 microliters, so a very small portion.

05:28:19.420 A very small portion, and you actually used 10 microliters to do your testing of those samples, right?

05:28:25.500 That is correct, yes.

05:28:26.480 So if you didn't get any results with 10, what you left over would not be sufficient to get any sort of independent testing done, correct?

05:28:35.080 It could be tested.

05:28:36.620 However, my expectation, if I took 10 microliters and did not get any DNA, the remaining three would also still not give me any DNA.

05:28:43.480 Okay.

05:28:44.120 Okay. And for item 55, that was two swabs of a stairwell from a stairwell railing where the suspect touched the railing, right?

05:28:59.020 As far as I know, they were swabs from a stairwell.

05:29:01.660 And correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand from your lab notes that you took those two swabs and combined them into one sample and then used the whole sample, right?

05:29:12.880 That is correct, yes.

05:29:14.120 Okay. Before you did that, did you inquire whether the two swabs came from two different areas?

05:29:19.660 For instance, maybe the suspect touched it here, but the other sample was taken somewhere else?

05:29:25.200 I did not. They were both labeled as coming from the same stairwell, and they were packaged together.

05:29:30.740 So our policies and procedures is that we can combine those two together.

05:29:36.200 And when you do that, you create a mixture, right?

05:29:40.520 I don't know that I would agree that combining the two would create a mixture.

05:29:45.480 Given the item of evidence, a stairwell railing,

05:29:48.480 I don't necessarily expect that one swab would have one person,

05:29:54.420 the second swab would have a different second person,

05:29:57.220 and combining the two of them creates a mixture.

05:30:00.020 However, I don't know that for certain,

05:30:02.060 but again, I don't know is DNA present,

05:30:05.100 So our procedure is to combine and consume those swabs.

05:30:10.620 Okay.

05:30:11.080 And in this case, when you did that, what you got was a complex mixture, right?

05:30:15.680 I did.

05:30:16.200 I got DNA from more than five individuals, so I could not provide a conclusion.

05:30:23.620 All right.

05:30:25.440 Now.

05:30:25.920 Mr. Burt, and we are at the 430 points.

05:30:34.680 I just want to inquire without applying the pressure.

05:30:37.940 I just have one area in my life.

05:30:38.120 Just trying to understand.

05:30:39.300 Okay.

05:30:39.960 I'll be done with her. 1.00

05:30:44.980 We talked earlier about your...

05:30:55.920 testing of the length of the DNA sequence, the length of the DNA boxcars,

05:31:05.840 not the sequence of A, C, T, and G within those sequences, within those boxcars, right?

05:31:14.100 Correct, yes.

05:31:15.380 And is it true that there are different alleles that have the same length when you measure by SDRs

05:31:24.700 but have different sequences?

05:31:26.500 Yes, that is possible.

05:31:28.800 And I'd like to show you a chart that you have reviewed, I believe.

05:31:34.220 This is, could you bring up 34?

05:31:42.120 This is not in front of the, on the public screen, just for the witness.

05:31:48.900 and is this a chart that you reviewed

05:31:56.400 that I prepared and you looked at to see if I had correctly

05:32:00.300 stated what alleles were found? Yes, it is

05:32:03.600 and does it, as it's presently existing, accurately state

05:32:08.540 what the alleles are at each location? Yes

05:32:12.040 Okay, I would move that into evidence

05:32:16.340 It's five pages, and it's Baker.

05:32:20.660 What was the matter?

05:32:21.280 Object?

05:32:21.600 34.

05:32:22.760 Or maybe not.

05:32:24.300 Mr. McBride.

05:32:30.460 Yes, I object.

05:32:31.740 Unless this exhibit is reasonably likely to defeat the prima facie showing of probable cause,

05:32:36.640 this is irrelevant to the preliminary hearing.

05:32:40.400 Mr. Burke.

05:32:41.200 And this exhibit and the next one go directly to whether the comparisons being made between Mr. Robinson's sample and the evidence samples are usable and reliable to make a determination that he is a probable contributor.

05:33:03.400 I'm not sure I'm following with what you're saying on there, right?

05:33:06.800 Maybe it's just because it's late in the day.

05:33:08.580 Yeah, it could be.

05:33:11.200 So this chart illustrates what allele she found at each location for Mr. Twiggs and Mr. Robinson

05:33:19.240 and for the evidence samples, the 7-1A and 8-1A.

05:33:25.400 The other alleles are on here as well, but we're going to focus on 7-1 and 8-1.

05:33:31.500 And, for instance, Your Honor, you'll see that under the first reading there is for Tyler Robinson at the D3 location.

05:33:49.020 He is a 17.

05:33:52.940 Okay?

05:33:54.360 And take that down.

05:33:55.380 And then if you go on to the 7.1 TAL sample, which is what the topic is of this report introduced by the state, you'll see that she found a 17 there as well, measured only by the length of the DNA strand.

05:34:15.980 And what she's going to testify to is that this location and five or six others, there are alleles, all of which measure here 17, but actually contain different sequences.

05:34:31.280 And that her testing that she used does not measure for those differences.

05:34:37.140 And so as it relates to probable cause, that's what I want to keep coming back to again.

05:34:43.000 Yeah, so he's trying to, what he's trying to do, guys, he's trying to highlight the discrepancy in her testing to hurt the quality of it, but it's like, yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

05:34:55.280 This is way beyond the scope of this hearing, but hey, it is what it is, right?

05:35:01.740 This is the defense's job.

05:35:03.660 This is their job to, yeah.

05:35:07.300 And if this was a trial, this may be a little bit different analysis.

05:35:10.420 Yeah, for a trial, this would be great.

05:35:12.700 You know, but like, bro, this is a prelim hearing. 1.00

05:35:14.360 Nigga, like, damn. 0.99

05:35:17.000 It's like, we all want to give this guy the yeet. 1.00

05:35:19.660 So the trial judge applies.

05:35:23.080 But as a magistrate, taking a look at this and looking at the probable cause standard, how does this comport?

05:35:31.940 So it comports because it goes to the ultimate.

05:35:34.140 Time 82, welcome back for resubscribing.

05:35:37.520 opinion expressed in the report that the state is offering that the report offers

05:35:44.300 reliable support that mr robinson also just so you guys know i am going to cover this has been 0.90

05:35:51.120 a pretty big case house of whores we're going to cover a little bit more true crime um apparently 0.98

05:35:56.660 six kids were found in ohio it's a crazy ass house brother this is nuts so uh we'll cover that next 0.99

05:36:03.300 okay so you we got we got some fire coming up uh tonight guys make sure to follow the tiktok

05:36:09.620 channel follow on youtube follow everywhere okay and we'll also finish up our netanyahu interview

05:36:16.360 as well we didn't get to finish this up so finish that up as well cover a little bit of news

05:36:20.340 geopolitics from true crime no other streamer can do this bro no other streamer can do this

05:36:26.440 we cover it all baby we cover it all is a possible contributor and we're asking the

05:36:32.840 court to consider that the comparisons are only based on a limited number of length-based

05:36:40.000 comparisons and that there are sequence differences so that she cannot distinguish, and I believe

05:36:45.240 she'll testify, she cannot distinguish based on the testing that she did in at least five

05:36:49.740 separate locations, whether the evidence sample and Mr. Robinson's sample, or for that matter,

05:36:54.920 Mr. Twiggs' sample, matches the sequence difference.

05:36:59.940 Twix is the boyfriend that is a part of the Alphabet community.

05:37:04.000 I'll say that because we're on TikTok.

05:37:06.300 Part of the Alphabet community.

05:37:08.660 And this is my final area, and I think I can do it very efficiently.

05:37:12.500 I think it is important for the court to consider,

05:37:15.680 especially as it relates to the comparison to Mr. Robinson.

05:37:18.780 Mr. McBride.

05:37:19.780 And she is also going to testify that the analysis she does

05:37:22.640 is based on looking at the totality

05:37:24.440 and all of the different markers that match and are consistent,

05:37:28.340 and that's how she comes to the... 0.96

05:37:29.940 this dude this moron jaybird and the tiktok chest is kind of odd myron comes back on the scene 0.95

05:37:34.640 just to air this dude i've been banned on tiktok for six years bro what are you talking about i've 0.99

05:37:39.600 been here the whole time bro enjoy the shadow i'm idiot time to send you to the shadow realm 1.00

05:37:48.120 the future is mine i hate idiots dude 1.00

05:37:53.400 and i've been taking care of business every day taking care of business every way i've been taking 0.99

05:38:02.560 care of business it's all mine taking care of business and working overtime 1.00

05:38:09.080 the opinion that she does the point is they're i fucking hate idiots dude explanations that are 1.00

05:38:16.820 fucking moron susceptible to different it's like i just came out of nowhere 1.00

05:38:21.260 to cover this case only. 1.00

05:38:24.040 Fuck out of here, dude. 1.00

05:38:25.300 ...interpretations and arguments. Ultimately, 1.00

05:38:27.380 we're going to have an expert hearing where all

05:38:29.400 of the literature is going to be before the court,

05:38:31.300 and the court's going to determine if it meets the threshold of reliability

05:38:33.200 for admission at trial. But at this stage,

05:38:35.380 even... Oh, we got another idiot. 1.00

05:38:38.020 Dude's name is 1.00

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05:38:41.180 All right, bro. Enjoy the shout-out as well. 1.00

05:38:43.540 Time to send you

05:38:44.820 to the shadow realm.

05:38:46.580 Oh!

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05:39:05.600 granting that there may be some argument that may come from defense counsel's position the court 0.88

05:39:10.860 can't weigh it this does not go to the probable cause determination and uh i don't think it's

05:39:15.280 relevant and this exhibit in particular is not relevant without the testimony of the witness

05:39:20.480 and so the exhibit should not be admitted on his face either. That's why I was trying to lay a

05:39:24.880 foundation that she would and offered a proof to the court that she would testify that in fact

05:39:29.720 there are these sequence differences at the five or six locations, six different locations relevant

05:39:36.600 to the comparison to Mr. Robinson and when the state says the court cannot weigh it, the court

05:39:43.520 can weigh reliability the court has ruled that so we're simply asking the court to take into

05:39:48.800 account the limited nature of these comparisons and the fact that she cannot based on the testing

05:39:53.300 that she performed tell the court whether there are differences between uh at these five locations

05:40:00.440 she can't match mr robinson to the question sample also it looks like the u.s has started

05:40:07.020 striking iran once again so looks like the war is back on guys so uh multiple cities along the

05:40:18.720 are being blown up right now as we speak i mean this has been over the past hour

05:40:22.720 um and then the u.s has warned golf states to brace themselves for a potential iranian collapse

05:40:27.900 bro oh iranian response excuse me bro

05:40:37.020 because she didn't do sequence testing.

05:40:43.520 Looks like we've got a busy day today, Chad.

05:40:45.520 Also testify that the FBI is in the process of implementing this kind of testing.

05:40:50.820 All right. Thank you to both sides.

05:40:53.520 I'm going to allow the admission of this evidence,

05:40:56.220 but I'm also going to set a limited number of questions.

05:41:02.920 We are now at 440.

05:41:04.720 This is on the cusp of whether it is applicable to the probable cause standard.

05:41:10.200 I want to afford the fence.

05:41:11.200 It's a full opportunity, but I still have to rein it in to keeping it to probable cause

05:41:15.020 and not going into full exploration because that's not the purpose of a preliminary hearing.

05:41:19.380 So I will admit Baker 34, but Mr. Byrd, I'm going to limit you to how much time do you need to address this?

05:41:28.840 I just need about four or five minutes.

05:41:30.540 The next chart will be the chart with the what are called iso-alleles displayed for the court so the court can see what we're talking about, and that's it.

05:41:38.380 I'm just going to have her document that, in fact, I've accurately stated what the...

05:41:43.540 Rose was saying he's going to be quick the whole time, this cap. 1.00

05:41:46.060 Alleles are that have sequence differences. 1.00

05:41:48.160 All right, so it is Mr. McBride. 0.81

05:41:50.780 Just on a second matter, which is I need to cross-examine this witness.

05:41:54.140 She's got to leave town today.

05:41:55.420 I would like 20 minutes to cross-examine the witness. 0.55

05:41:57.820 Oh.

05:41:58.140 All right.

05:41:59.180 Well, we'll go with the, I accept Mr. Byrd's representation's amount of time,

05:42:04.880 and I'm going to talk less because that's consuming more time,

05:42:07.420 and also allow the state the appropriate time for cross-examination

05:42:10.840 given the nature of this witness having to travel.

05:42:13.700 So, Mr. Byrd, I'll turn to you.

05:42:14.840 This has been moved into evidence.

05:42:16.100 Do you want it on the screens?

05:42:19.220 Actually, I don't need it on the screen, just in the interest of efficiency.

05:42:21.940 Pull up the next one, please.

05:42:22.920 Okay.

05:42:27.800 I'm on it.

05:42:28.360 Hey, guys.

05:42:28.720 smash the like button for me on uh youtube smash the like button for me on youtube ninjas

05:42:32.140 and uh tick tock go ahead uh double tap and 35 take that one down and is this exhibit the same

05:42:42.060 chart with what are called the isoalleles indicated yes it is and isoalleles is a term

05:42:49.020 used to refer to these alleles that have different sequence but the same length correct yes so across

05:42:54.780 the top there for allele 17 and D3, there is a allele 17A, allele 17B, allele 17C, all

05:43:05.860 with the same length, but different sequences for each of those three.

05:43:10.100 Correct, yes.

05:43:11.040 And similarly at VWA, where you say that Mr. Robinson is an 1819 and 1819 in the evidence

05:43:19.340 sample, there's an 18A, an 18B, a 19A, and a 19B.

05:43:24.600 Correct, yes.

05:43:25.460 And similarly for the other areas I've indicated there,

05:43:27.880 I've accurately stated what the different sequence alleles are, correct?

05:43:33.200 Yes.

05:43:34.080 So I move this into evidence, Your Honor, and for publication.

05:43:37.900 Is this Baker 34?

05:43:40.020 Yes.

05:43:41.520 35.

05:43:42.380 35.

05:43:43.340 Baker 35.

05:43:44.560 Same objection, Your Honor.

05:43:45.300 All right.

05:43:45.860 I'll admit into evidence under the previous statement as it relates to Baker 34.

05:43:49.980 It may be published.

05:43:53.920 and as you look at these five areas you can't distinguish so guys after this we're going to

05:44:04.860 go right into the war coverage then so uh yeah we got it we got it we got a bang we got some

05:44:10.320 work for tonight man we got a banger uh never banger show so we're going to go right into

05:44:16.900 war coverage after this chat the evidence samples from mr robinson based on the sequence differences

05:44:22.720 can you? Correct. I only utilize length differences, STRs in this case. The FBI laboratory does not

05:44:29.180 use sequencing for nuclear DNA testing, nor am I qualified in it. What is NGS? NGS stands for

05:44:35.300 next generation sequencing. And your laboratory is involved in validating next generation sequencing,

05:44:40.580 correct? We utilize next generation sequencing from mitochondrial DNA, which is a different

05:44:45.340 subset of DNA testing, but not for nuclear DNA testing, which is what we're talking about today.

05:44:49.440 All right. But the people who market STRMix also market a sequence platform, do they not?

05:44:55.060 I'm not aware if they do or do not.

05:45:01.240 Last question. Take a look at.

05:45:19.440 Well, I'll save that for redirect.

05:45:27.640 Thank you.

05:45:28.380 Thank you.

05:45:29.660 All right, so turning to the state, Mr. McBride.

05:45:32.400 All right, now the state's finally going to get up.

05:45:33.960 Man, that guy was painful.

05:45:49.440 Good afternoon.

05:45:54.680 Good afternoon.

05:46:07.940 I want to start by asking you what your training and experience is.

05:46:11.940 First of all, do you have any education?

05:46:14.680 Yes, I do.

05:46:15.320 I have a Bachelor's of Science in Biology from Salisbury University.

05:46:19.360 And after your bachelor's in biology degree, what did you do for your career and further education?

05:46:27.340 Upon graduating from college, I began working at the AFCI laboratory as a contractor.

05:46:32.460 I was assigned to the Federal Convicted Offender Program, which was a program under the DNA unit.

05:46:37.260 During that time, I did that for approximately a year and a half.

05:46:39.500 It was my responsibility to open and inventory and barcode DNA collection kits sent in from federal agencies across the United States.

05:46:47.200 I then became a biologist in the DNA casework unit.

05:46:49.860 I did that for approximately six years.

05:46:51.820 During that time, I did the actual testing of items of evidence,

05:46:54.660 so swabbing, cutting those swabs, producing the DNA profile.

05:46:58.380 And then in 2015, I accepted a position as a forensic examiner, which I am still today.

05:47:03.440 I'm sorry, what year was that?

05:47:05.040 2015.

05:47:06.160 So 11 years, you've been doing more or less the same duties you have now, is that right?

05:47:09.480 Correct, yes.

05:47:11.480 I want to ask you about your lab's accreditation.

05:47:14.240 What is accreditation for a laboratory?

05:47:16.980 Accreditation is a formal recognition that our laboratory is following a very strict set of standards.

05:47:22.260 We're accredited by ANAB, the American National Standards Institute National Accreditation Board.

05:47:29.180 And our accreditation shows that we have to follow standards,

05:47:33.120 such as I have to have a certain education background, how we process evidence, how we store evidence.

05:47:38.040 Every four years, we're audited to those standards, meaning an outside body will come into our laboratory,

05:47:42.600 look at my training records, look at our standard operating procedures

05:47:45.640 to ensure that we're following those standards.

05:47:51.240 You mentioned your training.

05:47:53.000 What do you have to do as an examiner there, as a scientist there,

05:47:57.840 for your lab to maintain its accreditation?

05:48:00.400 So for my training program, I had to complete a two-year training program.

05:48:04.360 During that time, I learned the science behind DNA testing,

05:48:07.840 and I showed that I understood that science by completing oral board examinations

05:48:11.460 and written examinations. I also then had to show that I can relay results that those scientific

05:48:16.480 results to a jury by completing moot court exercises and before becoming qualified I

05:48:21.760 then took something called a competency exam or it's like a final examination to show that I'm

05:48:26.520 qualified to perform my duties. During that accreditation or that audit process my training

05:48:30.920 records were reviewed to make sure that I had the proper coursework the proper college degree

05:48:37.340 as well as completing successfully that training program.

05:48:41.000 And do you have to keep up with ongoing education to maintain your...

05:48:44.720 Do you have a certification?

05:48:45.880 I'm not certified. I'm qualified as an examiner.

05:48:48.300 To maintain your qualification, do you have to have ongoing education?

05:48:51.000 Yes. On a yearly basis, I have to complete at least eight hours of continuing education,

05:48:55.800 and this can be done by attending conferences or lectures or reading scientific literature.

05:49:01.280 Do you also have to undergo proficiency testing?

05:49:04.520 Yes, and a proficiency test is a test that we receive from an outside vendor.

05:49:07.980 I process that test like I would any other case and submit those answers to determine if I'm satisfactory or unsatisfactory.

05:49:16.000 This tests not only me to see if I'm still proficient in my qualifications,

05:49:19.940 but it also tests the laboratory process to ensure that we're getting accurate and reliable results.

05:49:24.340 Now, as you discussed your work in this case, you talked about your work needing to be reviewed by another analyst.

05:49:31.380 Correct, yes.

05:49:32.060 And is that true in every single case?

05:49:33.720 Yes, and every one of our cases. 0.99

05:49:35.420 Guys, the reason why she's able to testify so smoothly 1.00

05:49:37.840 is because they're trained to testify. 0.97

05:49:41.280 You know what I mean?

05:49:42.660 They're taught how to testify

05:49:43.820 because they're considered expert witnesses.

05:49:47.040 So they know how to testify.

05:49:48.600 They know because they're testifying to their experience

05:49:50.560 and what their findings are.

05:49:51.660 So there's really, it's all very like matter of fact.

05:49:55.480 There's not really much open for interpretation.

05:49:57.840 It's science-based.

05:49:58.640 So it's like, it is what it is.

05:50:00.400 undergo a technical review in addition to an administrative review and it sounds like during

05:50:05.260 those technical reviews and administrative reviews there's discussions between you and

05:50:08.960 other analysts is that accurate yes and is that an opportunity for training and learning as well

05:50:13.720 yes absolutely and i assume that training and learning learning goes both directions that

05:50:17.580 you're learning and you're also helping others understand your thought process which may train

05:50:20.760 them as well is that accurate that's true yes the tools you use are the tools you use validated

05:50:26.820 Yes, they are.

05:50:27.720 And what does that mean to have a tool that you use validated?

05:50:31.580 So a validation is a thorough testing of a process or procedure.

05:50:35.880 So before we subject any evidence to testing,

05:50:39.260 we ensure that those process and procedures will work within our laboratory.

05:50:43.640 Based on the validation, we create something called standard operating procedures, or SOPs,

05:50:47.960 and these are kind of like cookbooks.

05:50:49.440 It gives us step-by-step instructions on how to do our process and procedures.

05:50:53.380 And then both myself as an examiner as well as the biologists,

05:50:55.780 were all trained to those standard operating procedures

05:50:57.740 and tested to those standard operating procedures

05:50:59.820 during proficiency tests.

05:51:01.860 Now, you've talked about, I think, a couple of the tools you use.

05:51:04.760 One you call StarMix, is that right?

05:51:06.180 Correct, yes.

05:51:06.840 And is that tool validated?

05:51:08.560 Yes, it's validated both developmentally and internally.

05:51:11.940 Developmentally, it's validated by the creators of the software.

05:51:15.360 And then we also, we, the FBI laboratory,

05:51:17.220 also tested StarMix to ensure that we could use it

05:51:20.160 within our laboratory and produce accurate and reliable results.

05:51:23.620 Now, when you say it was developmentally validated,

05:51:25.780 Is that in a peer-reviewed study?

05:51:28.040 Yes, it is.

05:51:32.080 And is StarMix used, how widely is StarMix used throughout the world?

05:51:38.260 StarMix is used in approximately 120 laboratories, both domestically and internationally.

05:51:55.780 I want to go back to some of the questions you were asked on direct examination.

05:52:00.300 You were asked about an Exhibit 8.4, Baker 8.4, which is the DOJ Ultra, which is the Uniform

05:52:07.240 Language.

05:52:08.240 What does that stand for?

05:52:09.240 Uniform Language for Reporting and Testimony, I believe.

05:52:13.100 Okay.

05:52:17.060 It talks about language that you should use and language that you shouldn't use as an

05:52:21.340 examiner and a scientist, correct?

05:52:22.660 That is correct, yes.

05:52:23.660 Now, I want to ask you a little bit about what you do when you have a conclusion, like you did in Exhibit 31.

05:52:32.860 Do you know the directive from the Department of Justice limits the adjectives you can use to describe the evidence and the conclusions that you reach?

05:52:45.220 Is that accurate?

05:52:45.960 Yes, it is.

05:52:46.380 And the thinking behind that is to submit the statistical number and let others decide, meaning the reader decide, how they want to describe that number.

05:52:54.720 Is that accurate?

05:52:55.400 Yes, it is.

05:52:56.520 So, for example, if we can look at Exhibit 31, if you don't mind publishing that.

05:53:06.820 Yes, and that's been admitted, so if we can put it on the screen.

05:53:10.220 and kimberly if you could scroll to page three when that comes up

05:53:18.380 thank you so item seven sub one is the swabbing from the towel from the rifle

05:53:28.680 we have uh the number in all right finally now we're getting onto the towel and the dna

05:53:34.960 written form in the second paragraph beneath the heading and then beneath that you have a table

05:53:40.220 correct? That is correct, yes. And the likelihood ratio gives the number, right? That's the likelihood

05:53:46.760 ratio. And that's stated in sentence form in the paragraph preceding the table, correct? Correct,

05:53:50.980 yes. The language, the only language you can use to describe what that number means from the DOJ

05:53:56.160 directive is very strong support for inclusion, correct? Correct, yes. And the sentence there that

05:54:02.600 says the DNA results from item 7.1 are 1.7 octillion times more likely if twigs and T. Robinson are

05:54:07.600 contributors than a twigs and an unknown unrelated person are contributors. The reader can assign

05:54:12.860 whatever value they want to that, correct? What do you mean? Meaning adjective to describe what

05:54:17.680 that means. Sure, yes. The adjective you can use is very strong support. For inclusion, yes. Okay,

05:54:22.440 for inclusion. All right, if we go to 8.1, if you can scroll down just to make that a little bit

05:54:28.460 easier to view. Same question there. The results are from 8.1 are 30 quintillion times more likely

05:54:35.920 if twigs and t robinson are contributors than if twigs and an unknown unrelated person are

05:54:39.680 contributors um the adjective you're allowed to use is very strong support for inclusion again

05:54:44.160 correct yes okay we can take that exhibit down thank you uh you were asked about formal activity

05:55:01.280 level. And you describe this as the lab cannot testify about, or you cannot testify about what

05:55:07.720 action left the DNA on the object. Is that right? That is correct, yes. Does that mean that an

05:55:14.460 individual did or did not touch? Let me ask you this. How can DNA get onto an object? DNA can get

05:55:22.120 on an object via direct contact, so an individual touching an object. It can also end up on an item

05:55:27.880 via body fluids, such as blood, or through transfer.

05:55:30.760 So if I were to touch an object, and then that object is given to someone else,

05:55:35.260 my DNA could potentially be on that other individual through the transfer of DNA.

05:55:42.040 And your lab can't, or you cannot testify as to what precise action left the DNA on the object, correct?

05:55:48.600 Correct, I cannot.

05:55:49.420 Okay.

05:55:50.780 Same question about time.

05:55:51.940 You can't testify about the exact time the DNA was left on an object, right?

05:55:55.020 Correct.

05:55:55.340 but there are some indicators that may give some information

05:55:59.820 about how long and the condition.

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05:57:15.900 It's under which an item, under which DNA was placed on an item.

05:57:19.700 Like, 50 IQ people, bro.

05:57:23.080 Degradation.

05:57:24.320 Yes, degradation or the condition of the item.

05:57:27.140 So again, if a firearm, for example, is in a river,

05:57:30.620 I would expect with the water rushing over that item,

05:57:33.520 I may or may not be able to detect DNA.

05:57:36.100 Also, if there's an item of evidence that is exposed to the elements,

05:57:39.440 something that's been left behind 10 years ago,

05:57:41.180 I don't necessarily expect to recover DNA,

05:57:43.760 but something that may have been left yesterday, I might.

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05:57:51.280 be able to detect DNA. An item that has been left in the dirt or has been rubbed in the dirt, 1.00

05:57:57.260 could that affect your ability to recover DNA? It could, yes. Could it also affect degradation? Yes.

05:58:03.460 Can UV rays affect degradation? Yes, it can.

05:58:10.000 Does degradation keep you from doing your work? No, it does not. Is degradation normal? Yes, it is.

05:58:16.300 uh does all dna degrade it does yes i imagine if it's kept in a pristine environment it would

05:58:22.940 degrade less than if it's kept in or if it's found in a yeah keeping in a cold weather like in a

05:58:28.360 fridge preserves it beautifully that's how they were able to catch a lot of serial killers in the

05:58:32.520 70s they um they kept the dna in cold storage before they were able to test it in the 90s

05:58:40.600 that's how they caught the btk um the golden state killer preserving the dna uh decades later

05:58:48.060 out in the open is that accurate yes okay

05:58:51.700 you said with regard to the screwdriver there is some degradation um did that affect your ability

05:58:59.380 to reach conclusions in this case no it did not you said and on item seven the towel or the swab

05:59:04.660 from the towel there was slight degradation not as much as exhibit eight is that accurate yes did

05:59:09.360 that degradation affect your ability to reach a conclusion here? No, it did not.

05:59:22.480 You're asked about the PCAST report. You testified that that gave guidance on different areas of

05:59:27.320 forensic science. Do you know what year that report was published? I don't recall the year.

05:59:34.240 Do you know if it's been within the last five years? No, it has not. Meaning it's older than

05:59:38.460 that? Yes. Do you know if it's been the last 10 years? I think it was 2016, but I'm not entirely

05:59:44.840 sure. I would say within the last 10 years. Let me ask you this. Has the science in your area,

05:59:51.500 can I refer to it as probabilistic genotyping? Probabilistic genotyping is the math in my area,

05:59:58.320 yes. The science in your area and in your field, has it developed over the last 10 years? Yes,

06:00:02.840 it has. And have there been studies that have made suggestions which have been implemented in the

06:00:07.800 field yes you testified about exhibit seven and eight that they both had

06:00:18.240 mixtures excuse me yes item seven and eight in your testing the the of these

06:00:24.780 items that they both had mixtures and you stayed I want to make sure I

06:00:28.860 understood this you stated I believe that the minor sample the minor

06:00:35.160 contributor was less than 20 percent and that it was actually five percent the ratio was five

06:00:39.380 percent to 95 percent for one of the samples yes do you remember that yes does that mean the five

06:00:44.280 percent was from twigs and the 95 percent that that 95 percent is assumed all right guys we're

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06:02:31.960 finish up this uh this prelim hearing day two let's go all right now i can say what i want to 0.79

06:02:42.380 say too man let's go baby finally um youtube niggas come on over let's go time to cook baby 0.86

06:02:47.700 all right sweet from the defendant the the robinson when i calculate the statistic uh twigs 0.90

06:03:01.960 dna profile aligned with the 5 contributor and mr robinson's dna profile aligned better with

06:03:07.400 the 95 contributor okay same question with regard to eight i think you said the ratio was 11 percent

06:03:12.980 from the minor and 89% from the major.

06:03:15.560 Is that Twiggs being the 11% and Robinson being the 89%?

06:03:20.460 Yes, Twiggs better aligned with that 11% contributor

06:03:23.400 and Mr. Robinson better aligned with that 79% contributor.

06:03:33.820 You're asked about Baker 4, an exhibit that was titled Baker 4, 365.

06:03:42.980 Do you remember this exhibit, by chance?

06:03:45.100 I don't have a copy of it, so, well, do you have Baker 4365?

06:03:49.620 Put that up.

06:04:00.020 And item seven is the towel, right?

06:04:03.260 Yes.

06:04:03.760 Item eight is the screwdriver.

06:04:06.060 Correct, yes.

06:04:06.640 Thank you.

06:04:12.980 You know, it's 5 o'clock.

06:04:27.400 I'm going to wrap up.

06:04:29.560 We can go ahead and take that down.

06:04:30.740 I'm sorry.

06:04:30.960 Thank you for helping out with that.

06:04:35.240 In reaching your conclusions, did you follow the protocols of your accredited lab?

06:04:39.780 Yes, I did.

06:04:40.880 And based on your training and experience and following those protocols,

06:04:46.740 did you in fact come to the conclusions described in Exhibit 31?

06:04:49.380 Yes, I did.

06:04:50.300 Thank you.

06:04:52.400 All right.

06:04:52.840 Mr. Burt?

06:04:55.280 And how much time are you anticipating?

06:04:56.720 Five minutes.

06:05:01.680 You referred on cross-examination to your training and experience, right?

06:05:07.320 Yes.

06:05:07.940 Do you agree with this statement?

06:05:10.180 In the PCAS report, experience or judgment cannot be used to establish the scientific validity and reliability of a metrological method, such as a forensic feature comparison method.

06:05:22.500 Moreover, a forensic examiner's experience from extensive casework is not informative because the right answers are not typically known in casework.

06:05:31.180 And thus, examiners cannot accurately know how often they erroneously declare matches and cannot readily hone their accuracy by learning from their mistakes. 0.99

06:05:39.540 Oh, shit. Here we go. 0.99

06:05:40.880 In the course of casework. Do you agree with that statement?

06:05:43.080 Now he's going for the punch.

06:05:45.000 Ro's going for the Falco punch now. 1.00

06:05:46.740 Finally, he gets his fucking point, man. 1.00

06:05:48.740 Falco punch! 1.00

06:05:51.160 I don't.

06:05:52.580 I think experience, they're right in the fact that we never know the true answer.

06:05:57.400 However, my experience means that I've seen a lot of different DNA.

06:06:01.300 I've seen a lot of validation data.

06:06:03.400 So that does help me come to a conclusion.

06:06:06.240 Do you agree with this statement?

06:06:07.300 By that same report,

06:06:08.560 good professional practices such as the existence of professional societies, certification programs,

06:06:15.100 accreditation programs, peer-reviewed articles, standardized protocols, proficiency testing,

06:06:19.700 and the code of ethics cannot substitute for actual evidence of scientific validity and reliability.

06:06:28.660 I don't think I agree with that either.

06:06:31.560 The science has been heavily validated and tested to show that's reliable.

06:06:36.040 um being following protocols that are based on validation again shows that my results are

06:06:41.220 accurate and reliable as well as being proficiency tested by the way you said that that report was

06:06:46.720 not authored by experts but the head of that group was eric lander who was one of the uh foremost

06:06:52.360 experts in the area of forensic biology is he not i that name does not ring a bell yo this guy right

06:06:59.100 here i think this guy's probably like a dna uh defense like he's like a uh defense attorney that

06:07:04.000 specialize in looking at dna because he has a um a ridiculous amount of uh knowledge on this topic 0.75

06:07:11.520 for a fucking defense attorney to have kind of weird i don't know who that individual is you 0.90

06:07:16.920 don't know who eric lander is no i do not okay when did you go to school what years uh 2003 to 0.99

06:07:22.740 2007 you said that sdr mix was widely used and then it's been validated the pcas report said

06:07:28.260 the problem is it's been validated by the people selling the product right uh development developmental

06:07:33.440 Validation yes internal validation no a laboratory that's going to utilize star mix has to validate within their own laboratory

06:07:39.780 And the peak as report said that we need validation data not by the people selling the product

06:07:44.660 But by independent scientists in order to make this reliable, right? They do and that's exactly what happened

06:07:49.780 There was 31 laboratories that came together in response to the peak as report and

06:07:55.060 Gave their validation data on how they internally validated star mix and then after that information came forward

06:08:01.300 the PCAST committee reviewed it and they said, PCAST was unpersuaded by those studies. While

06:08:11.080 likelihood ratios are a mathematically sound concept, their application requires making a

06:08:15.280 set of assumptions about DNA profiles that require empirical testing. Errors in the assumptions can

06:08:20.260 lead to errors in the results. To establish validity with a range of parameters is thus

06:08:24.760 important to undertake empirical testing with a variety of samples in the relevant range.

06:08:29.140 And they specifically address the studies you're referring to. Did they not? I believe they did. Yes. Yeah

06:08:34.000 And then lastly you said that

06:08:37.020 STR

06:08:38.080 Mix is widely used, but as I understand your testimony

06:08:41.320 You didn't use it and rely upon it for your conclusion about twigs, right?

06:08:45.960 The exit that the software told you

06:08:48.860 There was no support there for including them and you ignored it and decided otherwise correct. I did not ignore it again

06:08:55.580 Given the type of sample it was an elimination rose coming for her next 1.00

06:08:59.140 now. Now we know why he was saying all that shit earlier. Sample, I compared that individual to 0.99

06:09:04.580 the DNA profile that I developed and determined that I could conclude that I could utilize him

06:09:09.760 as an elimination sample. You said your laboratory was accredited, correct? Yes. But you're aware

06:09:14.380 that in 2004, the inspector general did a comprehensive audit of your laboratory and

06:09:20.660 published a report called the FBI DNA Laboratory Report, a review of protocol and practice

06:09:27.300 vulnerabilities, which found a number of errors in the way that your lab does testing, correct?

06:09:31.460 Objection, the 2004 study is hardly relevant to this proceeding 22 years later.

06:09:36.160 It's relevant because he's relying on accreditation to somehow say that these results are valid.

06:09:43.420 This lab was accredited when this study was done.

06:09:45.760 I'll allow this single question as she may respond, so I'm overruling the objection,

06:09:49.800 and then we'll continue to move forward.

06:09:51.180 You're aware of that study, right?

06:09:52.440 No, I'm not.

06:09:53.180 Okay, thank you.

06:09:53.900 That's all I have.

06:09:54.340 All right.

06:09:55.120 Anything further for this witness?

06:09:57.880 Yes, I think there's one follow-up that needs to be asked.

06:10:00.460 You were asked that, or you testified that you never know the true answer with field work, correct?

06:10:05.740 Correct, yes.

06:10:06.440 And that's compared to ground truth studies where you do know the true answer

06:10:09.360 and you can compare the conclusions that analysts draw with the true answer,

06:10:12.860 the ground truth answer that is the basis of the study.

06:10:15.600 Is that right?

06:10:16.060 Yes, and that is what our validation is.

06:10:17.560 Your validation actually studies is a ground truth test, in essence.

06:10:21.840 Yes.

06:10:22.540 Thank you.

06:10:23.620 Anything further for this witness?

06:10:26.580 Thank you.

06:10:27.400 May this witness be excused.

06:10:28.640 Yes.

06:10:29.280 Thank you, Ms. Baker.

06:10:30.160 You may step down.

06:10:30.920 Thank you.

06:10:31.140 Yeah, so they had to keep her there and do it a little bit longer 1.00

06:10:34.400 because she's flying back to Virginia. 0.68

06:10:37.160 She's out of Quantico.

06:10:38.460 Thank you.

06:10:39.020 All right.

06:10:39.460 Well, does either party need the benefit of the record before we go into recess?

06:10:44.440 No, Judge.

06:10:44.980 All right.

06:10:45.320 Having both parties say no, we'll go ahead and be adjourned until tomorrow at 1 p.m.

06:10:51.740 We do not have morning court for this proceeding,

06:10:54.580 and we'll start up at 1 p.m. in the afternoon.

06:10:57.300 Okay, if they're starting up at 1 p.m. in the afternoon, that means that's going to be 3 o'clock here.

06:11:02.360 So I will go live at 3 o'clock.

06:11:05.320 They're two hours behind.

06:11:06.720 So 3 p.m., I'll be back covering this tomorrow.

06:11:09.540 But we're going to continue the show. 1.00

06:11:10.720 The show goes on, niggas. 1.00

06:11:12.140 We're not done yet. 1.00

06:11:13.260 I'm not leaving. 0.98

06:11:16.960 I'm not fucking leaving. 0.99

06:11:18.560 The show goes on. 0.99

06:11:22.260 This is my home. 1.00

06:11:23.500 they're gonna need a fucking wrecking ball to take me out of here 0.99

06:11:28.520 they're gonna need to send in the national guard a fucking swat team because i ain't going no way 0.98

06:11:36.940 all right so let's go ahead and look here so uh as of 30 minutes ago power outages are being 0.97

06:11:42.580 reported across bahrain home of the u.s uh fifth fleet reports indicate electricity failures hitting

06:11:47.280 bahrain so the u.s might have struck back breaking uh iran declares the u.s in breach of peace deal

06:11:53.380 and reserves the right to respond statement in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs

06:11:55.940 regarding the United States' explicit violations of Clause 10

06:12:03.660 of the Islamabad Memorandum.

06:12:09.420 Yeah, bro.

06:12:10.740 And CENTCOM pushed this out.

06:12:12.740 Look, breaking U.S. carpet bombing Iran.

06:12:14.500 Boy.

06:12:18.780 Boy.

06:12:23.380 yeah crazy here's set com one hour ago u.s central command forces have begun launching a

06:12:29.980 series of powerful strikes against iran to impose heavy costs for targeting and attacking commercial

06:12:33.360 shipping crewed by innocent civilians in an international waterway the u.s strikes are in

06:12:38.160 response to iranian attacks on three commercial vessels that were transinsured to most iran's

06:12:42.440 demonstrated aggression was unwarranted dangerous and a clear violation of the ceasefire so uh yeah

06:12:52.220 Let's go ahead and jump into Twitter space right now,

06:12:54.800 see what these guys are yapping about, see if we can get a mic. 0.96

06:12:57.620 But I don't think there's enough people in Iran to keep pushing this,

06:13:04.700 however much one faction controls some set of launchers along the Persian Gulf.

06:13:08.600 Over to you.

06:13:09.900 Thanks, Trent.

06:13:10.580 I'm sure we're going to have some more questions for you,

06:13:13.060 so I hope you stay around. 1.00

06:13:13.880 No, this fucking bitch is talking. 1.00

06:13:15.260 Just a few news updates. 1.00

06:13:16.320 We're seeing some reports of IAF fighter jets, you know,

06:13:20.320 low altitudes over Beirut shores and some of those Beirut areas. Of course,

06:13:25.440 there are ongoing strikes targeting Nabatea in Lebanon and southern Lebanon. Also, this is

06:13:32.700 just coming out as well, that Iran's president, Mahmoud Pazishkian, I'm sorry, Masoud Pazishkian,

06:13:39.760 left Iraq and is returning to Iran after these U.S. strikes started on southern parts of the

06:13:44.600 country. We also have a statement from an Iranian hardliner, a hardline lawmaker,

06:13:51.060 Mojtava Zarai, who lashed out and sort of lashed out at Erdogan saying, you know,

06:13:55.980 why are you hosting NATO summit, you know, hosting the killer of the martyred imam at the NATO summit

06:14:01.500 in Turkey, etc. So there seems to be some internal clashes there, too. I know we've spoken about

06:14:07.100 this. I think AB was bringing this up earlier in terms of the internal domestic politics of what's

06:14:12.100 going on um so on the heels of that i do want to go to um i think did we lose dr farrook again oh

06:14:20.140 there he is dr farrook and then we're going to go to ali real quick and then um alicia i see you as

06:14:24.700 well so dr who the fuck are these people bro um hi everyone and azia love the pronunciation you're

06:14:30.580 saying it all right it's dr farrook so that's pretty good i live in u.s i live in midwest and 0.97

06:14:36.600 what i see with the weird regime changing i got a map we're giving freedom to the iranians

06:14:41.660 and a lot of right-wing radios which are am radios on on on the car they were they were not happy

06:14:49.020 that you know we were thinking that we're going to give freedom so trump has to finish and wrap

06:14:54.080 this up quickly there's midterms coming up and today when there's a violation of mou and it

06:15:00.400 seems the MOU is collapsing and the oil prices are going high. It went 5% up. What that means

06:15:08.060 is that higher gasoline price for the Americans, plus the war is still going on. We're still

06:15:13.360 attacking. The boots on the ground, I agree with him. Any casualty coming out of Iran,

06:15:18.620 American soldiers, God forbid, got martyred or killed in Iran is a bad optics for Trump

06:15:25.200 and his midterm elections.

06:15:27.080 So Trump tries to wrap it up. 0.94

06:15:29.480 Iran comes up with that some attack 0.70

06:15:32.040 because they want,

06:15:33.800 I heard today that they said

06:15:35.360 the Strait of Hormuz is a god gift to Iran

06:15:38.060 to control and win wars and make economy. 0.99

06:15:41.440 So they want to show their power there.

06:15:43.560 And somewhere in the middle,

06:15:44.900 we have to shut this war in few weeks.

06:15:48.440 If not, then I can promise you

06:15:50.440 that Republicans will lose

06:15:51.800 both the Senate and Congress. 0.99

06:15:53.100 and then we will have a lame duck president.

06:15:55.980 Chad, no way he's dead. 0.91

06:15:58.080 Who confirmed?

06:15:58.900 Are we, we got this confirmed? 0.96

06:16:01.880 It looks like this is a troll.

06:16:03.380 No way he's dead, dude. 0.99

06:16:06.360 Lebanese airspace.

06:16:07.300 So that's an interesting development happening there.

06:16:09.440 I want to get to, I think we lost Ali.

06:16:11.760 So I want to go to you, Ali Sheva.

06:16:13.700 Welcome.

06:16:14.960 What are your reactions to this?

06:16:16.260 And how do you see what's going on

06:16:18.100 between Israel and Lebanon right now

06:16:19.580 and some of the activities in Lebanon

06:16:20.940 on impacting this moment where we are right now?

06:16:25.420 Hi, Zayn. Hi, guys. Thank you for having me.

06:16:27.700 Before I touch on that, I want to mention and touch on something

06:16:30.320 that Hazem said that was really important.

06:16:32.740 And he said that we are not asking the right questions.

06:16:36.420 And I'm just going to go back on to the question of professionality.

06:16:39.560 The West is following one set of rules

06:16:41.760 and the ROGC is following another set of rules.

06:16:44.700 How can we or how can America properly negotiate with the ROGC

06:16:50.180 whose mission statement is very clearly death to America.

06:16:54.660 And we see that when we're talking about proportionality, 0.72

06:16:57.960 the IRGC has murdered 10x more of their people,

06:17:01.240 their own people, than any American. 1.00

06:17:03.080 She's a Jew, of course. 1.00

06:17:04.040 Casualty, which is, of course, one too many. 1.00

06:17:06.400 So we're talking about casualties.

06:17:07.980 We're applying a set of rules that the IRGC does not care about.

06:17:12.240 And as an Israeli, I can tell you that

06:17:14.120 I think that Americans are learning a lesson

06:17:16.720 that Israel understood a very, very long time ago. 0.84

06:17:20.180 And that lesson being, you cannot negotiate with Hamas, Hezbollah, or any of the IRGC's

06:17:26.020 proxies, because what they do is they use these negotiations as strategic pauses in

06:17:30.580 war.

06:17:31.220 Their mission statement has been abundantly clear. 0.83

06:17:33.600 They have not changed the mission statement of death to America or death to Israel.

06:17:38.340 And how can we properly, you know, have an MOU or talk about, you mentioned the ambiguities

06:17:44.280 of it when this is their mission statement.

06:17:46.500 And I'm following the news with you guys, too, the developments.

06:17:49.560 so uh i guess the what i'll say about israel and lebanon is that uh this is affecting us on a on a

06:17:56.980 very personal level this war residents in the north have still not gone back home the country

06:18:01.240 is um sending their milouim the reservists um on an ensemble like israel is not on pause but i would

06:18:09.060 say you really do feel the heaviness and someone earlier mentioned that a boots on the ground would

06:18:14.100 be would be a disaster for America and what's happening politically there I can tell you that 0.62

06:18:19.580 Israelis are also tired of fighting but oddly enough or ironically enough when we have this 0.99

06:18:26.640 game of whack-a-mole which someone else also mentioned it prolongs the war and I really wish 0.58

06:18:30.860 that we could properly eliminate the threat of the ROGC and I think that's the best way to do it

06:18:36.220 Unfortunately, I don't I don't see that happening with, you know, this this, you know, half, half, half, you know, negotiation, half attacking this ambiguous foreign policy.

06:18:51.420 Thanks. Just another quick update. It looks like Josh has, of course, has left Najaf and on his way to Tehran.

06:18:59.200 And there are some reports coming out from Iranian officials saying they're preparing for a broad response to the U.S. aggressions with a new target bank.

06:19:07.860 So this one is interesting.

06:19:10.060 I want to go to you.

06:19:11.540 Is Trent still with us militarily speaking?

06:19:14.620 I'm still here.

06:19:16.000 Great.

06:19:16.280 When we hear some language like this, new target bank, if you could, even for the listeners and the panelists who are not familiar, a military aspect from that lingo, broad target bank, a new target bank, what could that possibly be?

06:19:34.000 More than likely, American bases within range of Iranian delivery systems.

06:19:39.100 The Iranians understand that if Americans are sending body bags and wounded bodies home, that bad things happen to whatever president is in office at the time. 0.93

06:19:48.340 So when the Iranians talk, they're going to escalate. 0.92

06:19:52.440 They're going to go after the president. 1.00

06:19:56.900 And I hope it's just that, because if they go after things like water desalinization plants, things could get really, really ugly, really quick.

06:20:05.720 in terms of the humanitarian implications of not having potable water in a desert. 0.51

06:20:12.040 So, you know, at best case, they're going to go after American facilities,

06:20:16.480 which generally have since the first round of fighting have been hardened somewhat

06:20:20.320 and have defenses as opposed to going after either electric or desalinization plants of the Gulf states.

06:20:31.180 And, you know, those are two options.

06:20:33.360 Option A is probably the bad option in terms of the fighting unwinding. 0.97

06:20:38.780 But if the Iranians really do go after the Arabs, then the gloves come off and things get really ugly really fast. 0.99

06:20:50.080 I'm hoping that they're just going to try and get some American body bags, but we shall see. 0.96

06:20:57.220 Right now, the Iranians are behaving as if the faction within their government that wants to fight is in control.

06:21:05.640 I don't know if that's the case. We'll see. Over to you.

06:21:10.580 Thanks, Trent. I want to welcome some of the new speakers, but I just want to quote over quickly again for those joining us.

06:21:17.580 Just a quick update since we last checked in.

06:21:20.440 Following the initial wave of U.S. strikes, it seems like they've concluded for now.

06:21:25.800 According to Iranian state media, several citizens were also reportedly injured by shrapnel

06:21:29.320 after some of those strikes hitting commercial pier in Sirik.

06:21:32.280 Of course, this pier is a fishing pier as well.

06:21:35.640 They've been transferred to Minob Hospital.

06:21:37.540 On the diplomatic front, we see President Pezashkian has departed Najaf.

06:21:40.520 Of course, he was there for the funeral memorial service for Ali Khamenei, the late supreme

06:21:47.560 leader of Iran.

06:21:49.020 He's returning to Tehran earlier than originally planned, which is likely to draw some attention,

06:21:53.880 I guess, as officials coordinate their next steps. Meanwhile, there are reports indicating

06:21:57.020 that Iran is preparing a broader response to what is calling U.S. aggression, with officials

06:22:02.600 reportedly assembling a new target bank. Trent was just kind of explaining to us what that means.

06:22:07.580 Earlier tonight, earlier today, we discussed the significance of the U.S. officials stating

06:22:12.360 their response would not be based on traditional proportionality, but rather on imposing costs and

06:22:16.800 punishing further attacks. This, of course, for those that are not aware of what's been going on

06:22:22.180 the last few days. There were some strikes against some vessels trying to go through

06:22:26.300 the Strait of Hormuz, according to Iran. They weren't following the agreement and the rules of

06:22:31.020 safe passage. So the question now is whether Iran adopts this proportional response

06:22:36.000 of its own or chooses this broader escalation, regionally also kind of expanding.

06:22:41.480 There were some activities in Lebanon and Nabatia in southern Lebanon, and also some reports of

06:22:47.180 fighter jets over Beirut. That seems to now have, that has now cleared up. We don't see any of those

06:22:54.440 fighter jets over the area, although it does seem that tensions still remain elevated in the

06:23:00.000 situation in southern Lebanon remains fragile. So we're watching multiple things happen very,

06:23:05.640 very closely. You know, whether Iran retaliates right away on scale, what scale, second, you know,

06:23:12.120 whether the U.S. is considering its initial objectives achieved or conducts additional

06:23:16.720 strikes, and also whether this leaves any room to preserve the U.S.-Iran MOU. You know, is there

06:23:22.320 ambiguity in that language? We've had a productive conversation around what that looks like as well.

06:23:26.620 So, you know, this is where we are now. I appreciate everybody who's joined us, all the

06:23:30.940 speakers and the listeners. Please continue to share the space. Send your questions and comments

06:23:35.320 to the Purple Pill. I did read a comment that I saw. It was a very interesting conversation around

06:23:40.260 that. Vladimir, are you seeing any other news before I go to some of the hands?

06:23:46.720 Well, apart from what you mentioned,

06:23:49.340 that the Iranian president left Iraq.

06:23:51.540 We see, like, I was just checking flight radar.

06:23:54.440 There's a lot of, like, U.S. air activity

06:23:56.780 above the Strait of Hormuz.

06:23:58.540 Some military planes flying in circles,

06:24:02.120 so they're probably prepared for any Iranian response.

06:24:06.480 There's also some reports that the U.S. Secretary of Defense

06:24:10.060 will visit Israel on Wednesday.

06:24:12.040 day um and and also at the same time we still have the funeral uh procession going on in iraq

06:24:20.300 in najaf and there's also you see like pictures there uh uh with uh i think something calling

06:24:30.020 trump a killer or something like that in arabic uh so that there's still but but as you mentioned

06:24:35.780 And I don't see many new reports of any ongoing strikes now in Iran itself.

06:24:40.260 So most likely the strikes of the U.S. have stopped and they're probably waiting if Iran as well respond again to the U.S. strikes again or that it will just stop.

06:24:51.740 But also the fact that the Iranian president left Iraq, they're probably also expecting more escalation.

06:24:57.560 Otherwise, you wouldn't have left such an important procession in Iraq 0.55

06:25:02.180 because you have the large Shia population there

06:25:05.320 and the whole Iraqi leadership was welcoming the Iranian leaders

06:25:09.900 in Baghdad for the procession.

06:25:12.900 So we'll see how that will work out.

06:25:15.760 Okay, go ahead, Azzy.

06:25:17.280 Thanks, Vladimir.

06:25:18.560 I see Gerald and Jalda have hands up.

06:25:21.340 I want to go to some of the new speakers

06:25:22.500 and I'll come back to you guys in just a second.

06:25:24.220 So I'll go with Myron and then Joe.

06:25:26.300 Myron, welcome.

06:25:27.560 Hi, you guys hear me? Yes. Okay. No, I think this is a failure in diplomacy as usual. I don't think this is a good idea. And, you know, I think Trump also understands already that he didn't really have much escalation power before. So to strike again is really, this is bad diplomacy in every single way.

06:25:47.480 I heard someone earlier from Israel is here, and I don't want to be the guy to blame Israel again.

06:25:52.080 But, you know, this MOU wouldn't have been able to stand if the Israelis had pulled back a little bit in Lebanon. 0.64

06:25:57.500 But we know they're not going to do that because they're taking over the castle and why they control southern Lebanon. 0.85

06:26:01.980 It is what it is. 0.84

06:26:02.560 But the reality is that this MOU has failed and we're in this war again because of our lack of ability to restrain Israel in their military pursuits. 0.88

06:26:10.960 And that's the reality. 0.75

06:26:11.860 So now if there's some kind of conflict, well, we know why it is.

06:26:17.480 So, Myron, I want to ask you a question on that, though, because this particular, I'll say, event, this exchange or possible exchange, depending on how Iran wants to pursue it, this seems to have started, though, because of some of the activities in the Strait of Hormuz specifically.

06:26:32.320 Not one time have they mentioned Lebanon and Israel.

06:26:34.860 Yeah, but don't forget the reason why that happened in Strait of Hormuz is because the Israelis refused to pull back out of Lebanon and didn't honor the agreement in the MOU.

06:26:44.420 in the mou literally said all conflict will stop on all fronts to include lebanon and they didn't

06:26:50.660 do that and what they tried to do instead was get these ships through um using hugging the coast of

06:26:56.560 the uae and oman and they tried to get around the iranians that's why they got struck

06:27:01.460 i don't know where that came from but um okay so this is an interesting perspective that's being

06:27:10.520 added this dynamic to this conversation that we're having it's true if i understand you correctly

06:27:15.120 i know if i if i saw if i understand you correctly what you're saying is is that there was a strategy

06:27:21.280 behind these vessels and how they were going through to intentionally trigger iran's response

06:27:27.880 and hitting those vessels going through is that i just want to make sure i understood you correctly

06:27:31.220 okay so what happened was so number one the israelis did not stop the conflict in lebanon

06:27:36.500 That was an explicit part of the MOU, like that was an explicit part of it. I think it was one of the 15 points. Not only did they not did they not stop the conflict. Right. And of course, we've got these Israelis laughing down here when it's literally their country that's causing all these problems. That's fine.

06:27:50.940 not only did they do that but then they tried to get around the iranians and smuggle some of these

06:27:55.840 vessels through hugging the coastline of the uae and oman and the iranians found out about that

06:28:01.460 started shooting drones at them to obviously deter them so they wouldn't you know want to

06:28:05.600 continue doing that so they can get the insurance companies to be worried so that's what led to this

06:28:09.480 so first israel doesn't want to pull back then they tried to push the ships closer hugging these

06:28:13.820 gulf states iran found out about it and shot drones at them because they were supposed to do

06:28:17.060 a deal with Oman where they would split the revenue with the straight and they try to go

06:28:21.300 around there behind their back and do it. And that's what led to the issues. Thanks, Myron.

06:28:25.820 I saw Joe's hand go up and then I saw some reactions from Gerald and Dr. Fungi.

06:28:32.700 If I could just say. I was called first, Gerald. You can respond to me, please. You've already

06:28:38.080 spoken. Thank you. And Gerald, you're about the only person on here. Let me, let me moderate and

06:28:43.400 Let me, Joah, hang on.

06:28:44.740 Let me just moderate this real quick, okay?

06:28:46.060 So, Gerald, I appreciate you.

06:28:47.480 I want to go to you, but let's go to Joah first real quick.

06:28:49.740 He hasn't spoken, and I'll definitely come to you next,

06:28:51.700 and then we'll get to some of the other hands as well.

06:28:53.660 Yeah, I mean, look, although I don't completely agree with Gerald,

06:28:57.020 Gerald has been probably the only, besides Myron,

06:28:59.120 that has brought any sense to this space. 0.91

06:29:01.520 I've heard that, you know, these Iranians are terrorists 0.99

06:29:04.020 because they attack civilian ships. 0.83

06:29:06.640 These ships were told not to cross.

06:29:08.280 I wonder if they did the same thing for the girls' school in Iran.

06:29:13.400 or when the Israelis hit the over 10 residential buildings in Tehran.

06:29:18.080 I wonder if they got a warning that they shouldn't pass. 1.00

06:29:20.480 So, yeah, I agree with you.

06:29:21.620 When you attack civilians, you become a terrorist. 0.98

06:29:23.720 Thank you, Hazam. 1.00

06:29:24.660 I completely agree with that.

06:29:26.340 Then you also heard that these Pahlavi people are just good people.

06:29:29.440 They're just good, normal people.

06:29:31.020 Do they forget that Pahlavi was overthrown

06:29:33.580 because he killed and tortured hundreds of thousands of people, right?

06:29:38.140 I mean, it's completely blind to the fact,

06:29:40.540 whether you agree with Aitole or not,

06:29:42.420 The same thing happened before. There were people that were murdered and tortured. There was a

06:29:47.320 secret police force to go after people in Iraq. Let's go. They're just the good and normal people. 1.00

06:29:54.380 People overturn them. I like when people take control of their own country and U.S. doesn't

06:29:59.240 have to get involved. So I applaud those people. Now, when it comes to what Myron was saying,

06:30:05.300 I completely agree with him. There was an MOU. The MOU stated that the war in Lebanon was 0.80

06:30:12.400 to stop. I see multiple people here, including Hizam, who has worked for the government,

06:30:17.260 laughing at this fact. When Trump himself said, you need to calm down. This shouldn't have happened.

06:30:23.460 People started going after Israel, and it seemed like they were talking bad, to the point where 0.73

06:30:27.520 you had over 400 people, Israelis in Telegram, calling for the death and rape of Ivanka Trump

06:30:34.280 because he said, you shouldn't have done, this shouldn't have happened. Can you imagine?

06:30:39.260 like there was a girl school that was bombed in iran did you see iranians going we should rape 0.99

06:30:44.400 ivanka trump now you know how ridiculous this is and then i hear people come up here with this 0.97

06:30:49.900 propaganda as if people don't know history and you're just going to sit here the whole time and 0.72

06:30:54.460 i'm actually surprised that you don't call some of this out because i know you know it

06:30:57.740 right like it's absolutely insane to me for someone to come up here and be like oh polar

06:31:03.060 people are just good people they killed hundreds of they killed and tortured hundreds of thousands

06:31:07.820 of people. That's why it was overthrown. I appreciate it. One, I sort of break the news

06:31:14.480 and moderate the discussions to keep it flowing. Two, I wouldn't say that all Pallavi people, 0.96

06:31:19.340 you're talking about Pallavists and monarchists and royalists, they're not all, they didn't do

06:31:22.700 those things. No, of course not. I appreciate the perspective you're taking, but I think the other

06:31:26.920 person, the speaker earlier was referring to an opposition group more than just the Pallavi

06:31:32.780 dynasty it ignores it ignores history of a time where people were oppressed a family who stole

06:31:38.180 hundreds of hundreds of millions from from that country it gave 80 percent of its wealth to

06:31:44.640 america in order to do so so he could stay in power and when he decided to finally take it

06:31:49.160 back for his country um but he took it for himself people got mad and went up against them i i think

06:31:55.560 i i can i i appreciate i appreciate i appreciate the fact that there needs to be more conversations

06:32:02.400 around like the the internal domestic history and politics of iran but i think the person was

06:32:07.820 framing it a little bit different not necessarily like the palavi dynasty necessarily so i didn't

06:32:12.540 know get to this yeah because i don't want to regarding the straight and the yeah so regarding

06:32:17.560 the straight the mou the the fragility that we're seeing the strikes there what your reaction would

06:32:22.840 be and then i can get to gerald and others yeah there were more ships that were supposed to go

06:32:26.460 through based on the mou those ships have not gone through because because iran has consistently

06:32:31.460 been calling out the fact that israel has not stopped uh our own us government including people

06:32:37.040 from democratic and republican side which is crazy to me chat you can see it right here i'm not crazy 1.00

06:32:41.920 like these motherfuckers these stupid jews that are laughing for the laughing emotions they're wrong 1.00

06:32:46.060 stop attacking lebanon that same day israel went on the attack calling for the death of donald trump 1.00

06:32:52.840 and for the rape of his daughter uh because he said stop um this is why this is happening this 0.94

06:32:59.260 why ships are not going through. But in my perspective, I actually don't think they want 0.98

06:33:05.460 this. If you look at what's happening with, by the way, Kiev was just hit pretty hard just a

06:33:10.480 few minutes ago. If you look at what's happening in Russia, and you look at what's happening in

06:33:15.700 Iran, like none of the moves Iran has done, this is one of the few wars I've ever seen in my

06:33:20.980 history, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that looks more like a chess match than it does like a

06:33:25.180 war like okay u.s did this move okay now iran's gonna do this move now let's wait to see what u.s

06:33:31.420 does okay u.s does this move now iran's gonna do that move like this is like war by turn it's the

06:33:37.840 strangest war i've ever seen because iran has kind of always responded tit for tat um but all the all

06:33:46.900 the the attacks that iran has done are foreseeable they've been known for 20 years they know if they

06:33:51.840 would have hit the lng field that is shared with qatar that they would have hit um the the oil

06:33:58.520 refinery in the sorry the lng refinery in qatar what does that do if you look at the lng exports

06:34:04.940 of united states they have been on the rise lng is coming to the west you see mexico growing

06:34:10.520 china has not funded the siberian 2 pipeline from russia it has funded the one from louisiana

06:34:16.400 instead and this and the clarity act is going to price the dollar in lng and and then issue

06:34:23.440 stables this fixes u.s's debt problem and if you look at what trump has done trump has tripled his

06:34:29.040 net worth and he stands to become one of the wealthiest families in the entire world once he

06:34:35.800 prices things in lng because he has the the world liberty financial token which will be stable coins

06:34:42.080 which would be one of the most transacted.

06:34:43.860 So I believe that he's trying to keep the price of oil

06:34:47.480 between $70 and $90

06:34:48.740 because that is the sweet spot of where things are good.

06:34:53.160 If we go below $70, he attacks.

06:34:55.300 If it goes above $90, he starts talking about a peace deal.

06:34:58.880 And that's what we've been seeing over and over and over.

06:35:00.800 I don't think we're going anywhere.

06:35:02.220 I think this is staying this way in order to control prices.

06:35:04.960 And all you have to do is look up LNG exports for the United States

06:35:08.080 and look at what happened ever since it became an office the first time.

06:35:12.080 It's absolutely insane. It doesn't happen

06:35:14.300 inorganically. Can I say one thing?

06:35:16.440 I appreciate the perspective of the markets.

06:35:18.260 Myron, I really need to get to some hands if it's like

06:35:20.200 30 seconds. It's 30 seconds. Not even 30 seconds.

06:35:22.280 I'm going to, it's going to be faster. Because people were,

06:35:24.300 when I talk about the MOU, it was literally point one.

06:35:26.260 I'll read it verbatim. The United States of America and Islamic 0.99

06:35:28.120 Republic of Iran and their allies in the current

06:35:30.260 war by signing this MOU declared the immediate

06:35:32.100 and permanent termination of military operations

06:35:33.840 on all fronts, including in Lebanon

06:35:35.960 and undertake from now on not to initiate any war

06:35:38.080 or any military operation, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

06:35:39.860 So for all the idiots in here that are saying like, 1.00

06:35:41.920 oh, you're wrong. It's literally 0.1 in the MOU. I don't think anybody was saying anything else 1.00

06:35:48.260 other than that. No, there's Israelis putting laughing emojis like I see them. Israelis in 1.00

06:35:51.720 here. It's okay. It's okay. I think really the context of today, though, the strikes that we're 1.00

06:35:56.760 seeing, I think it's fair to say is also related to Article 5, which I'm hoping we can also dive

06:36:01.140 into a little bit more. I know, Gerald, I wanted to go to you and then Dr. Fungi and some of the

06:36:05.240 other hands, but Gerald, go ahead. Yeah, it's just, thanks, Hazi. It's just that, you know, 0.97

06:36:10.720 what Myron's talking about and what Joe's talking about. Maybe it's because a reporter and an

06:36:18.040 attorney looking at this, but I mean, the MOU is not even actually binding on the United States

06:36:27.120 and Iran. I don't know if they're aware of that. I mean, there are long legal discussions about it.

06:36:32.120 It's a non-binding political framework. It's not a ratified treaty. It doesn't bind even the United

06:36:39.940 States and Iran certainly not the United States to do what it sets out to do and Israel not only 0.97

06:36:46.540 was not a party to the MOU he can look through every page then what the fuck is the point of 0.99

06:36:50.620 the MOU you fucking retard what is this guy talking about then why sign it like what are 0.99

06:36:55.920 you talking about if it's not the point is to understand and to do what's in the understanding 1.00

06:37:00.720 what dramatic understanding Iran did not then walk away from the table Iran didn't say oh by

06:37:07.740 the way, Israel has formally rejected it. They did not sign the MOU. They were not presented

06:37:12.180 the MOU. And therefore, since they are not going to abide by it and they're going to have military

06:37:16.440 actions in Lebanon, we will not abide by it by day one. Iran went along with it. But what they 0.70

06:37:22.260 knew their leverage point was, and they continue to know that and they continue to press us,

06:37:26.120 and there's no easy answer on that, is the Strait of Hormuz. Anybody who believes that the Iranians 0.99

06:37:32.580 are only firing on Qatari and Saudi ships and others because Israel's in Lebanon is in a fantasy 0.84

06:37:39.660 land. Iran is firing on those ships because it is determined to exercise some level of control 0.74

06:37:46.360 that may be together with a side deal with Amman, allows it to collect whatever you want to call it,

06:37:51.460 a fee, a toll, something for passing through the strait, and use that as leverage at a final point. 0.90

06:37:57.940 That Israel happens to be in Lebanon is a fantastic point for the Iranians to be able to say, ah, that's why we're doing it. 0.94

06:38:06.080 Blame Israel. 0.99

06:38:07.000 They're responsible for it.

06:38:08.300 Drive a further fissure between Israel and the United States from the MAGA right so that they're furious with Israel. 0.81

06:38:14.780 The people like Tucker Carlson and others will say, by the way, we just follow Israel into every war.

06:38:20.820 So create that as an additional fissure point absolutely makes sense. 0.91

06:38:24.360 but in practical sense if you're looking at the mou it's absolutely yeah it proves that we have 0.99

06:38:30.320 no control of israel you fucking retard i've already said this that iran is like doing this 0.98

06:38:34.740 because they know that when they do this they travel they drive a wedge and they're showing 0.99

06:38:38.700 that our interests are not aligned but guess what we're still over here getting involved in a

06:38:43.660 conflict like what gerald gerald can you how much longer i i i had a heartbreak at 7 30 but i pushed

06:38:52.840 that off. Don't worry. It's a good discussion as always. Okay, great. Thanks, Gerald. I want to go

06:38:56.900 to you, Dr. Fungi. You've been here listening for a while. I want to get your reactions to what we're

06:39:00.540 seeing and your thoughts as well on the MOU. I think this is a Jew, this dumbass chick. 1.00

06:39:05.900 You know, and what Gerald was saying in terms of it just being an agreement, not necessarily 1.00

06:39:09.440 a legally binding contractual type of treaty, if you will. So go ahead, Dr. Fungi.

06:39:15.460 Hi, Azzy, Vladimir and everyone. And hi, Gerald. Always great to come to Spaces and listen to Gerald when he has to explain and outline things in a very articulate way.

06:39:29.660 I want to debunk something regarding Iran's current behavior in Hormuz, because it is built on a longstanding strategy.

06:39:40.720 It's not a sudden byproduct of the present war or anything Israel has done in the last month.

06:39:47.920 Hormuz was hijacked by Iran well before this war and well before the latest run of Israel-Iran confrontation. 0.55

06:39:56.680 and Tehran has consistently tried to convert geography into political capital. 0.74

06:40:04.040 Every tanker, every shipping route is a potential bargaining chip.

06:40:08.900 So for decades, Tehran has treated the Strait of Hormuz as a leverage point against the broader international system

06:40:15.700 and more specifically against U.S. pressure.

06:40:18.940 so the idea that closing hormones or threatening shipping could be used to to deter attacks to 1.00

06:40:26.320 retaliate against this bitch is retarded or even to raise the price of comfort the fucking straight 1.00

06:40:32.040 was open on february 27th dude like what is this chick talking about what are you talking about 1.00

06:40:37.680 you know that this has evolved from you know um episodic threats into what we see now a systematic 0.61

06:40:46.140 practice. They're deploying fast attack boats, messiahs and mines. They're testing rules of

06:40:53.400 engagement. And they are periodically harassing or seizing commercial vessels to make clear

06:41:00.680 that the strait is not a neutral transit corridor, but a space that can be politicized at will.

06:41:07.480 So the present MOU and the war have given the IRGC new legal and rhetorical cover.

06:41:16.140 But they really sit on top of a reality in which Iran already treated the strait as an area under de facto Iranian veto.

06:41:26.040 So what the MOU does is formalize part of that claim by speaking of Iran's responsibility for, quote-unquote, arrangements and, quote-unquote, best efforts on safety.

06:41:41.400 That is a language Iran can then stretch to justify a more intrusive management regime.

06:41:50.920 And there's also a legal dimension to the Iranian posture.

06:41:56.820 Iran has never, ever ratified the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, the UNCLOS.

06:42:03.220 It signed it, but it never ratified it.

06:42:05.460 And in practice, it privileges its own domestic legislation that they expect in 1982, and also its security doctrine over the more expansive notions of freedom of navigation that is embedded in that convention.

06:42:22.160 So for Tehran, Hormuz is not simply an international state governed by a multilateral treaty it did not ratify.

06:42:31.980 It is a coastal zone where Iranian law and Iranian threat perceptions are assumed to prevail.

06:42:40.500 So that makes it easier for the IRGC and other state organs to claim that their management of routes, their requirements for prior orientation,

06:42:51.980 And even what we see now, the punitive actions against what they call offending ships are rooted in sovereign legal authority rather than in a breach of an international obligation, because they say they never ratified it.

06:43:09.020 So so from the outside, this looks like a hijacking of a of a global commons, but from within Iran's own legal and political frame, it is presented as enforcement of national rules in a strategic waterway that happens to be vital to the to the rest of the world.

06:43:28.400 Was the straight open on February 27th or not? Was a straight open on February 27th or not, doctor? No, no, I want to answer this. Was a straight open on February 27th or not, doc? 0.54

06:43:36.260 what i what i was answering is what what you said is is was it open or not it has to do with israel

06:43:44.440 is wrong was it open or not you answer the question you to the iran iraq war in 1980 when

06:43:52.080 iran systematically attacked gulf shipping including in and around or moves as part of

06:43:59.040 the so-called tank was it open on february 27th or not i'm gonna finish my sentence come on ju

06:44:05.020 was it open or not let her make her point okay okay let her make her point i asked her a specific

06:44:08.780 question and she can't answer it because she knows she's wrong because i don't want to go too into 0.95

06:44:12.900 into the fucking incredible fucking incredible 0.99

06:44:18.800 they took my mic away that's the problem bro this these spaces are always run by fucking 1.00

06:44:27.100 zionists dude like it's fucking infuriating how fucking retarded these people are it's 1.00

06:44:34.660 infuriating the straight was open on february 27th they closed the straight because we started 1.00

06:44:43.100 a war with the fucking israelis that's why that's why it's that simple with the straight open or not 0.97

06:44:50.760 on february 27th can't even answer the fucking question well let me talk about 1982 shut your 1.00

06:44:56.240 bitch ass up bro shut your dumb ass up like when we're back in some of the state of gaza strip 1.00

06:45:02.900 it's not a problem but when iran does it it is it's just the double standard here aussie 1.00

06:45:08.240 i i i appreciate that that perspective joe and and i can i definitely think that we can open 1.00

06:45:13.680 this conversation every time another time every time i go in here this bitch fucking moderates 1.00

06:45:18.880 it just yaps the whole time it's so fucking annoying like dude i want to get trent's opinion 1.00

06:45:24.000 on this and i also see aj's with us and didn't get a chance to speak i'm gonna give i'm gonna 0.97

06:45:28.400 give like two or three minutes if i don't get a mic i'm gonna fucking just start up another 0.99

06:45:31.620 spaces and shit this is fucking pissing me off fucking retarded dude while attending the nato 0.99

06:45:35.480 summit in turkey this is according to axios trump held a meeting with hegseth rubio uh besant and 1.00

06:45:43.140 also general kane was there and other senior officials before authorizing the operations

06:45:46.920 this is the part trent i want to ask you a quick question on this because

06:45:50.420 says u.s officials said that it remains unclear how long the strikes will continue saying we'll

06:45:56.320 get the assessment about the results of the strikes and make a decisions and make our decisions

06:46:00.400 afterwards. Now, President Pezashkian of Iran has now landed inside of Iran, I think,

06:46:06.280 for about 30 minutes or so he's been there. So we're waiting also to see how Iran may

06:46:11.880 respond to some of this from a military perspective. What does that really mean for

06:46:17.380 our listeners and others following this? When we hear a statement like that, we're going to get an

06:46:23.680 assessment about the results of the strikes and make a decision after. What kind of results are

06:46:27.980 they looking for when this is more of a punitive, as we spoke about earlier, there's no proportionality

06:46:35.180 in this, this is punishment. So what kind of results would the U.S. be looking for to make

06:46:39.980 a decision on this? I suspect that's a bunch of code words for the American government signals

06:46:49.400 intelligence and computer hacking abilities to figure out what the hell is going on with

06:46:55.880 and inside the iranian government um additionally uh you earlier pointed out not not this yeah bro 1.00

06:47:04.360 like this this bitch is like some jew bro like you know what i mean like what the hell is going 1.00

06:47:11.720 on here you know canary missions look these four americas are traveled to honor ali khamenei a 1.00

06:47:17.980 leader who wanted to destroy america at his funeral jackson ankle christopher uh like 0.97

06:47:22.260 like this is um these are the people that were like fucking that i'm dealing with dude 0.99

06:47:30.100 she's she's retweeting fucking canary mission who is like a jewish organization who all they 1.00

06:47:37.500 do is just fucking report people and try to get them fired from their jobs or lose their 1.00

06:47:40.860 fucking livelihoods that's what canary mission is fucking gay so annoying and and every time 1.00

06:47:47.440 this girl's a fucking co-host dude she does this stupid shit i think she's a jew too probably is 1.00

06:47:51.580 this bitch a jew what is let me see this comms policy strategist whatever bro they can't answer 1.00

06:47:58.800 my questions but we got a mic whatever dude fucking annoying as fuck dude not true um you know 0.99

06:48:05.300 a lot of what is going on here may be shipping insurance i mean let's be honest the reason that 0.98

06:48:12.340 so annoying these companies stopped moving oil through the straits was they couldn't get insurance

06:48:18.040 for their tankers. Well, if you're using old, worn-out Greek shadow tankers to move things,

06:48:25.820 ships that have single holes and should have been out of service a decade ago to move stuff,

06:48:32.880 those are expendable assets when you get down to brass tacks. So when I look at this,

06:48:40.660 I'm seeing there is politics, there's economics, and there's intelligence going on just

06:48:48.040 There's all sorts of stuff going on beneath the surface that we won't know until the shooting either resumes or stops.

06:48:53.460 Over to you.

06:48:54.860 Thanks, Trent.

06:48:56.500 Vladimir, I think, oh, AJ, we haven't heard from AJ yet.

06:48:59.720 Welcome, AJ, to the panel.

06:49:00.760 What are your thoughts on what you're hearing, what you're seeing unfold?

06:49:05.120 Welcome.

06:49:05.900 Hi.

06:49:06.420 Yeah, thanks.

06:49:07.080 Thanks for having me.

06:49:08.160 I just want to just share my insights.

06:49:10.200 A couple of things on the war with Hezbollah.

06:49:13.500 I think what's happening there is Israel's trying to decouple the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel itself by trying to isolate Hezbollah as a separate issue, separate than the MOU, although the MOU says including Lebanon.

06:49:29.140 But that's where the narrative seems to be going, and that's where the agenda seems to be going.

06:49:34.500 um and then the other thing too in terms of the uh the Strait of Hormuz I think

06:49:38.720 um what we're gonna see over the next uh few uh probably

06:49:43.280 did we just lose AJ obviously the okay there you go sorry yeah the the MOU is obviously

06:49:52.300 you know not binding it's as good as the paper that it's written on which is nothing in the

06:49:59.300 global, you know, contracts and things like that.

06:50:04.180 So I think what we're, and the other thing that somebody mentioned that, you know, the

06:50:09.040 United States is trying to put a wedge between Oman and Iran by utilizing the Omani coast

06:50:17.380 to take the ships out of the Strait of Hormuz.

06:50:21.120 And this strategy is basically, I think we saw the threats that were issued against Oman

06:50:25.860 saying Trump saying that we will be bombing Oman and all of that and they took a couple of phone

06:50:31.980 calls for Oman to change its narrative and then they're trying American shipping or enable the

06:50:38.900 American government to you know charge the hegemony that Iran seems to be stashing over

06:50:46.800 the Strait of Hormuz and this is what it's about now we're at the stage where there's a war going

06:50:51.700 on for narrative control in the battle space i don't think we've actually seen the war break

06:50:56.740 out yet what we're seeing is a series of small battles before the ultimate large war that will

06:51:02.820 break out because this isn't a war between you know just uh trump and khamenei and things like

06:51:08.420 that these are a war that's such as irgc the banking sector the shipping industry and everything

06:51:17.500 else that makes the iranian regime tick plus the american uh institutions trying to dominate

06:51:24.300 and subjugate the iranian government regime whatever you call it so these institutions

06:51:29.740 cannot survive together they have to isolate they have to contain one another now obviously

06:51:37.740 the united states being the larger power the more capable power iran will put up a fight but 0.93

06:51:44.620 But ultimately, the United States cannot afford to leave the Iranians unchecked in the long term because it undermines about 70 years of the Middle East security architecture that the United States has put in place, right? 0.91

06:52:00.760 If we see what happened in 2019, I don't know if you've mentioned this or not or anybody mentioned it, but essentially Israel was moved out of the Eurocom into the Central Command in the Middle East. 0.96

06:52:13.360 their entire security architecture is being groomed to be handed over to Israel to be the

06:52:19.560 dominant force representing the American interests in the Middle East. And in that picture, which has 0.64

06:52:25.460 already been changed, in that picture, Iran cannot stand in the way of Israel, and Israel cannot have

06:52:32.460 an Iran that is, you know, independent, has its own foreign policy, its own influence, and its own

06:52:39.280 security architect. And this is why in my assessment, I've been saying this since April

06:52:43.760 and May, you guys can look at my timeline, every MOU, every ceasefire, everything that we see from

06:52:49.560 the Americans is essentially a battle for narrative control. And it isn't anything that

06:52:55.420 will be lasting. What we're trying, what we will see over coming months is more and more and more

06:53:00.400 escalation until Iran will be perceived as having made such a critical blunder or such a critical

06:53:08.960 mistake that United States will have no choice to ultimately declare some kind of a war,

06:53:14.420 some kind of an emergency coalition against the Iran government.

06:53:18.780 Thanks. AJ, you're starting to cut in and out really bad. I don't know if you can hear

06:53:24.820 me. If you want to try to recycle and come back, we can hear the rest of it. I want to

06:53:30.420 go. Yeah, I know, Gerald, your time is limited with us. I want to go to you real quick. And

06:53:34.140 then I want to get some thoughts from Dr. Hotho from Saudi Arabia's perspective. So

06:53:38.940 So, Gerald, thank you for staying with us a little bit longer than you intended. 0.74

06:53:41.980 Yeah, no, thanks very much, Hazi.

06:53:43.360 Thanks.

06:53:44.080 I'm sorry I'm not able to stay longer.

06:53:45.700 I just wanted to say that one thing to watch for is,

06:53:50.060 and I think that Vladimir had said this earlier,

06:53:53.280 is whether Hegseth goes to Israel tomorrow.

06:53:55.700 Now, it's the middle of the night already over there,

06:53:58.040 and the Pentagon had refused to confirm it,

06:54:01.560 but it was reported by CNN and Reuters and others

06:54:04.300 that he was expected to leave turkey where he was and met he was at the nato summit

06:54:11.020 was going to go to israel for his first visit as the head of the department of war and meet with

06:54:18.000 netanyahu and defense minister katz now um officially the purpose was going to be to make

06:54:24.640 the israelis feel all right i'm gonna take some notes here because um a lot of these people here 0.99

06:54:28.420 are stupid they don't know what they're talking about so we'll just keep listening to what they 0.99

06:54:31.880 got to say and debunk a lot of this stuff was as i'm sure you know everybody on on the panel knows 1.00

06:54:37.320 and your listeners as well hegseth went from a person that a lot of israelis didn't know almost

06:54:43.480 anything about before february 28th to becoming sort of this folk hero in israel and it's been

06:54:49.200 reported widely in israeli press in that afterwards so they view him and he's been very warm in

06:54:54.940 talking about israeli military cooperation when they were having the original rounds of military

06:54:59.360 action. So the only thing that could prevent that from happening, the reason I mentioned that,

06:55:04.800 is if Iran does strike back, you talked about the targets before that they may look at,

06:55:08.820 if Iran strikes back, it becomes a more complicated action, the U.S. is still figuring

06:55:14.560 out the next round of what it will do into tomorrow, then clearly Hegseth is not going

06:55:19.660 to be doing a walking tour inside of Israel. So if we see Hegseth cancel that visit to Israel

06:55:26.940 tomorrow. To me, that would mean that they weren't able to just do the strikes that they 0.53

06:55:32.200 intended and then let that play out. There's a little bit of a complication, and that doesn't

06:55:37.260 mean that it's terrible, but that Hegseth has to focus on a different way. And if you see him in

06:55:41.800 Israel, that's going to be an opportunity to keep a very close watch on what he does with the

06:55:47.780 Israelis. I mean, the timing-wise is very, very important. That visit was set, although not

06:55:53.020 officially confirmed at least 24 hours before all of this happened with the revocation of the

06:55:58.660 oil sales and then the military strike on Iran tonight.

06:56:04.420 Thanks, Gerald. Dr. Hotha, I'm so glad you're with us because I want to get a perspective from

06:56:11.980 Saudi, like a Saudi Arabian perspective on this. One of the vessels struck in the last few days

06:56:17.000 was a Saudi vessel. We did hear some, you know, condemnation from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

06:56:24.360 today, saying that they are going to respond somehow. But I want your, what are you hearing

06:56:30.900 there in Saudi Arabia? Because, and I want to remind everybody as well, during the war, Iran,

06:56:35.840 you know, did carry out some strikes that impacted Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia took the position that

06:56:40.760 they will respond in kind, but they've also maintained a very strong position in the diplomacy

06:56:46.360 in this whole process of negotiation. 1.00

06:56:49.520 Saudi Arabia can't do shit. 0.99

06:56:50.640 That's why they didn't do shit back. 1.00

06:56:52.780 They just want to protect, 0.88

06:56:54.080 they just want to make sure 1.00

06:56:54.800 that the Houthis don't mess them up

06:56:56.280 with the Bab-el-Dem straight. 0.78

06:56:59.000 They can't do anything either. 0.99

06:57:00.600 Against Iran from Saudi Arabia,

06:57:02.500 I don't think that this is something 0.74

06:57:04.260 that we take in consideration.

06:57:06.740 You know, Iran is in a difficult place

06:57:10.240 in their terms.

06:57:11.140 You know, they're in a corner

06:57:12.620 and I think that we have a lot to lose 1.00

06:57:15.940 to get into a military interaction with Iran

06:57:19.440 that is really not necessary.

06:57:21.240 I told you.

06:57:21.940 Especially at the meantime now.

06:57:23.900 So from what I hear, again, I really doubt,

06:57:26.900 I really doubt that there will be like a military strike on Iran. 0.99

06:57:31.620 They can't do shit and he knows it. 0.98

06:57:34.580 Or, you know, possible whatsoever. 0.99

06:57:39.240 However, I would like to mention, you know, from a Saudi perspective,

06:57:43.560 that when this war started, I think Saudi Arabia was very clear

06:57:47.000 that they were against the attacks on Iran to start with.

06:57:50.500 It's an illegal war, an abuse on Iranian sovereignty,

06:57:59.720 and again, it's an illegal war.

06:58:01.200 However, it just seems that it is very hard for Iran

06:58:07.160 not to really start acting like a normal state.

06:58:09.760 I mean, again, just like how you mentioned, the two tankers,

06:58:13.040 There wasn't even one tanker. It was two tankers that was attacked. The civilian team that was running the ship got attacked as well. And then only then was the attack from CENTCOM towards Iran happened. It happened after the fact that these tankers got attacked.

06:58:30.380 And it seems, you know, whenever anybody brings up that, you know, Iran is trying not to get into this war, I mean, there was no need for those ships to be attacked.

06:58:41.080 There was nothing that made Iran, you know, put Iran in a position where they had the right to attack those ships. 0.85

06:58:49.440 I think that was a pure aggression from Iran. 0.54

06:58:51.680 And in a time when, you know, everybody's wishing for peace, I cannot say that Iran is also one of the parties that is looking for peace. 0.84

06:59:01.780 If they're going to attack civilian, you know, tankers and commercial ships, I don't think that's somebody looking for peace. 0.51

06:59:08.540 And the problem is the talking points, when you say this, they would say, yeah, but Israel, yeah, but Israel.

06:59:14.080 I don't think that's a fair assessment.

06:59:15.580 I think that Iran should, if they're actually looking for peace, then I think that they should act like a peaceful nation.

06:59:23.860 And this is this is really worrying. I don't know how the end game looks like.

06:59:28.540 And I really wish the end game doesn't look like, you know, Iran getting absolutely demolished after this. 0.96

06:59:34.620 Because, again, if Iran will continue to behave in this manner, I don't see I don't see a pathway where peace will will happen.

06:59:41.320 If they're going to continue terrorizing that Strait of Hormuz, continue attacking civilian ships and, you know, oil tankers that affect the whole world economy, I don't think anybody would want that. 0.72

06:59:50.680 So I'm actually very surprised. And, you know, let's see. Let's see what happens.

06:59:56.460 Thanks, Hoda. I saw a lot of reactions and I see some new speakers as well.

07:00:00.100 I see some of you have been waiting with your hands up.

07:00:03.400 I want to go to Shahab real quick. He's a new speaker and get his thoughts on this.

07:00:07.780 and I'm going to go to Elisheva and Trent and Myron and others.

07:00:12.560 Go ahead.

07:00:14.120 Hi, Aziz. Can you hear me?

07:00:16.480 Yes, yes.

07:00:17.260 Perfect.

07:00:18.060 Okay, so right off the bat, what I wanted to say is,

07:00:21.200 look, before I start anything,

07:00:22.960 I just want to point out this mistake

07:00:24.800 that I think people are making on both sides,

07:00:27.320 that, you know, there's aggression happening

07:00:29.860 from the Israeli side and the Iranian side, okay? 0.61

07:00:32.540 Now, just because I don't like Iran, 0.81

07:00:34.380 then I should justify every action of Israel is not on. 0.84

07:00:39.640 And similarly, if I hate Israel, 0.71

07:00:41.840 that doesn't mean that I justify every action that Iran is doing. 0.75

07:00:44.980 So that binary should not exist.

07:00:48.180 Look, the kinetics between Iran and Israel started around 2024, 0.76

07:00:55.420 once when the Israelis attacked the Iranian embassy in Damascus. 0.60

07:01:01.420 It's been going on since.

07:01:03.220 but there's bad blood between Iran and the GCC states

07:01:06.780 and the Arab states, not just the GCC.

07:01:09.060 Don't forget Iran.

07:01:10.460 I love how he said, oh, they bombed the embassy 0.75

07:01:12.340 and just glossed over that.

07:01:13.380 That's an act of war, dude. 0.99

07:01:15.020 That's an act of fucking war. 0.99

07:01:17.000 Entire region, okay? 0.99

07:01:18.300 So try to understand the complexities

07:01:20.980 of this geopolitical game that's going on.

07:01:23.720 Second thing that I would say is that, look,

07:01:25.820 while we have these 60 days of negotiations going on,

07:01:28.780 and someone very rightly pointed out

07:01:30.180 that an MOU is not a binding agreement,

07:01:33.340 And just having said that,

07:01:35.880 understand that there are other agreements

07:01:37.320 that are also going side by side.

07:01:39.520 Okay, so for example,

07:01:40.800 we know that the MOU discusses

07:01:42.540 that war will be stopped on all fronts,

07:01:44.760 which includes Lebanon.

07:01:45.580 Okay, however, the Lebanese government

07:01:48.400 has a separate agreement

07:01:49.880 that's going on with the Israeli government.

07:01:52.240 Now, which binds the Israeli government

07:01:54.980 to what contract?

07:01:57.300 So like someone pointed out,

07:01:58.760 the Israelis never signed on to this MOU,

07:02:00.500 but they have signed on to the agreement

07:02:02.720 with the Lebanese government, okay?

07:02:04.540 So there are two parallel things going on

07:02:07.380 and this is not just the only case.

07:02:09.100 There are many other cases.

07:02:10.360 For example, in the state of Hormuz,

07:02:12.420 the MOU is saying something

07:02:14.220 but there are existing laws

07:02:15.980 on how international shipping goes

07:02:17.960 through these waters.

07:02:20.640 So what do you really follow?

07:02:22.940 So there's a lot of gray area

07:02:23.920 that people are exploiting

07:02:25.160 and having said that,

07:02:28.220 um you know when i think myron was talking about how um thank you come again these ships are kind

07:02:33.560 of uh and he's he's right in a way that the strait of hermuz basically is a cul-de-sac right so uh

07:02:39.060 the inward and outward uh movement of ships is through that same channel okay so what used to

07:02:44.860 happen in the past was that most of the ships used to go in through the iranian channel the

07:02:48.940 water that's more to the iranian side and any shipment coming out outside of the persian gulf

07:02:53.940 would traverse the waters through Oman.

07:02:57.440 Now, if the argument right now...

07:02:59.540 This concept that they're making about the MOU

07:03:02.060 not being a binding legal agreement is clown world,

07:03:04.760 and I'm going to debunk them when I get my chance to speak on here. 1.00

07:03:07.040 They're so stupid. It's incredible. 1.00

07:03:08.860 Myron and many others need to understand

07:03:10.960 that the Omani government has to allow that, right?

07:03:14.600 So these ships can just not traverse their waters.

07:03:17.080 They would need the Omani Navy to give them approval

07:03:21.020 to traverse their waters.

07:03:22.060 So what do we hear in the general perception or in the laity talk online?

07:03:28.620 We hear that the Iranians are saying that they're trying to work a model with the Omani government where they want to start tolling the state of Hormuz.

07:03:37.280 OK, but if that is the case, then why is Oman allowing these ships like the Qatari vessel that got attacked today and the Saudi vessel to move via these Omani waters?

07:03:49.420 So something is not adding up.

07:03:51.220 So, I mean, I can try to make it add up. It's just that I don't want to take more time. I want to give others a chance.

07:03:57.200 Thank you. Come again.

07:03:58.280 No, I definitely appreciate that.

07:03:59.200 Worst accent ever.

07:04:00.120 I think you have some news that you wanted to share, and then we can get to some of those hands.

07:04:04.760 Yeah, so basically we have an Iranian lawmaker is calling on the Iranian army to basically respond as fast as possible.

07:04:14.460 And also we saw the report of Axios that Trump approved a plan to launch a strike on Iran from Turkey,

07:04:22.900 which probably Turkey will not be very happy with that fact.

07:04:26.560 And also we saw a U.S. official talking to New York Times that strikes on Iran will continue for some time

07:04:31.260 and will focus on a series of military targets.

07:04:34.380 But Axios also was saying that the U.S. official will first assess the strike impact

07:04:39.780 and then will decide what to do after that.

07:04:42.320 And for the rest, there's also, yeah, there's other news of the Iranian president that left

07:04:50.080 recently Iraq, and there's a lot of news in the Iranian media about the ongoing funeral

07:04:56.740 procession for the late Iranian supreme leader in Iraq itself.

07:05:01.480 Oil prices, they have been going up a little bit also, and we now have to basically see

07:05:07.320 if Iran is going to respond to the U.S. strikes and how that—

07:05:11.220 All right, guys, double tap the screen if you're watching on TikTok.

07:05:14.640 We're going into politics now.

07:05:16.240 U.S. responding to Iran, Iran responding to the U.S.

07:05:21.040 So I think we can go to the next speaker.

07:05:24.720 We can go to Trent and then to Elisabeth, if I pronounce your name on Joe on Myron.

07:05:30.960 Go ahead, Trent.

07:05:33.080 All right, just a couple of points.

07:05:35.280 that Trump ordered military action while he was in a summit in NATO with Erdogan there

07:05:41.980 is nothing new. President Trump launched dozens of Tomahawk cruise missiles against a Syrian air

07:05:48.640 base while he was in a state dinner with Chairman Xi of China in his first term. So, you know,

07:05:55.820 this is just par for his particular course. The sequence of events that sticks out for me is

07:06:04.620 The Iranian president left Iran with Khomeini's body to Iraq to do things.

07:06:12.340 Someone in Iran started shooting at tankers.

07:06:15.840 President Trump shot back, and the Iranian president went back to Iran.

07:06:20.540 So, you know, it sounds like someone without adult supervision pulled the trigger.

07:06:26.920 I could be wrong on that.

07:06:28.640 But given the fractious nature of the Iranian regime, I wouldn't put it past the president leaving the country allowed something to happen simply because he wasn't there to sit on it when someone got bad ideas.

07:06:43.460 So we don't know exactly what is going on. 0.53

07:06:48.340 We are in a ionization layer, to use a term from a spacecraft reentering the atmosphere.

07:06:55.020 There's a whole lot of static whatnot that's going on out there.

07:06:58.620 We just don't know.

07:07:00.520 We can speculate.

07:07:01.880 We can talk about specific technical things.

07:07:05.300 We're not going to know until a little bit after the shooting stops, if the shooting stops, the exact secret events and what went down.

07:07:12.920 And we may not know everything for years.

07:07:16.480 So, you know, everyone buckle in and try not to get too worked up

07:07:21.120 and be aware that this can stop on a dime and restart.

07:07:26.420 And I think some of your earlier people saying that this might escalate,

07:07:29.980 I'm expecting it to escalate after the November 2016 elections in the United States.

07:07:37.420 Simply because, you know, two more years until the next election lot could be done

07:07:41.880 between November of 2026 and then.

07:07:47.700 Yeah, let me ask you a question on this real quick,

07:07:50.380 because for those that are not aware,

07:07:52.760 Pezashkian can't himself declare any kind of strikes,

07:07:55.840 just unlike the United States with President Trump

07:07:59.180 as the commander-in-chief.

07:08:01.300 Also, real quick, I just saw a report coming through

07:08:04.140 that there's renewed explosions on Reshma Island.

07:08:07.800 But going back to what you were saying, Trent,

07:08:09.700 And, you know, given that, though, because we have an IRGC commander, we have Ahmad

07:08:15.140 Vahidi, and then we have the Security Council that was established during the war.

07:08:18.600 The parliament hasn't met anymore.

07:08:20.880 The Guardian Council hasn't met anymore.

07:08:23.200 You know, it seems like it's a limited core group, but still, you know, the bus driver

07:08:28.200 seems to be the commander of the IRGC.

07:08:30.300 Given that, do you think that the Iranian response will be after perhaps they've all collectively left Iraq, or could they potentially kind of steer from Iraq, from Najaf, where they all are?

07:08:47.260 I think they're going to leave Iraq before they do anything big, for the simple reason they don't want to get caught out in the open where the Americans can grab them. 0.52

07:08:57.660 Because, you know, there are Americans in Iraq.

07:09:02.380 If real shooting starts and there's an American Special Forces team in and around there, considering

07:09:08.580 what happened to President Maduro of Venezuela, it would behoove them to get the hell out

07:09:13.440 right now.

07:09:14.440 Right, right.

07:09:17.040 And also, I apologize, I said Resh, Misharg Island, not Resh.

07:09:21.780 No, actually, it's both.

07:09:22.780 I just saw another report come through, so it looks like we're seeing…

07:09:26.140 So, Arg Island?

07:09:27.140 Yes, Harg Island and Gresham are both reporting explosions.

07:09:32.540 All right.

07:09:33.060 Harg Island is where 90% of Iran's oil exports move through.

07:09:38.620 Watch that closely and watch the damage that is done there.

07:09:42.880 Because if you take out, there are a series of oil pumps there, which if taken out will take a long time to replace.

07:09:49.540 They're not going to touch them.

07:09:50.420 If those are hit, then we're looking at, that's regime ending event. 0.76

07:09:55.420 Yeah, and that's going to be the end of the gulf

07:09:58.440 Trump's not going to touch him

07:10:00.000 There's a reason why he didn't touch him the first time

07:10:01.480 The regime will go down

07:10:04.400 From a lack of money

07:10:05.100 Unless China is willing

07:10:08.260 To do lots to keep him going

07:10:10.400 And I don't know that Chairman Xi

07:10:11.720 Has got that much cash available

07:10:14.040 At the moment, over to you

07:10:14.940 One last question, I know we have some hands-up promises

07:10:17.700 While we have Trent here

07:10:19.840 With the military perspective 0.99

07:10:22.360 And Hotha, please stick around too

07:10:24.400 because this relates to you, I'm looking also at some of this, like the air traffic. We're seeing

07:10:32.420 visible military air picture over the Middle East area. We're seeing 12 U.S. Air Force aerial

07:10:39.420 refueling aircrafts, some of those strato tankers, Pegasus. We've got Poseidon there as well. Of

07:10:46.380 course, for those that aren't familiar, those are more like intelligence surveillance, et cetera,

07:10:49.620 reconnaissance. But this one is the key part that I wanted to get both of your thoughts on.

07:10:54.400 There are also two multi-role tanker transports, the MRTT aircrafts, operated by Saudi Arabia and the Emiratis.

07:11:03.620 And it seems like there's some sort of coalition air operation going on here.

07:11:08.520 So, Trent, I want to go to you first and then get Hotha's perspective on this.

07:11:11.680 Is that, because I don't remember seeing this during the entire war, this specific type of aircrafts.

07:11:21.020 And if you could also explain for the listeners who may not be aware, including myself, really, in terms of these MRTT aircrafts and the significance of them operated by Saudis and Emiratis, I think that would be helpful.

07:11:36.160 All right. Generally, when you see a term like multi-role tactical transport, what it means is the tanker is also outfitted as a communication relay platform.

07:11:45.100 All right. And the U.S. bought a series of executive jets for the communication role and is basically retiring them because they can't operate in or close to battle areas.

07:11:59.760 And they're putting that equipment onto American tankers to fulfill the role and basically so they don't have to pay for all the pilots for the executive jets.

07:12:10.560 the thing that I'm looking at is

07:12:13.920 if you're seeing lots of aircraft

07:12:15.800 showing up on aerial maps

07:12:20.880 it's because they haven't turned off their beacons

07:12:22.560 if they were going to fight

07:12:24.240 all the beacons would be off

07:12:25.520 you would not be seeing anything

07:12:27.380 so that the beacons are on right now

07:12:32.120 is generally saying

07:12:34.880 we're trying not to start a war

07:12:37.360 we're not trying to fight a war

07:12:39.280 if you're going to fight

07:12:43.120 you turn off all the beacons, you turn on all the

07:12:45.280 jammers and nobody can see or hear

07:12:47.220 anything unless you're working on a

07:12:49.240 proper digital spread

07:12:51.280 spectrum frequency hopping

07:12:52.820 radio. So

07:12:54.840 we're in

07:12:57.160 a diplomatic

07:12:59.400 to kinetic gray zone

07:13:01.420 and we've seen this a lot

07:13:03.300 in the Middle East.

07:13:06.620 Diplomacy

07:13:07.220 through bomb drops.

07:13:09.280 while the diplomats are at a table somewhere else.

07:13:12.420 And frankly, this isn't anything new.

07:13:14.760 You saw the same thing in the Korean War in the 1950s

07:13:18.720 where you had intense fighting along the DMC 1.00

07:13:21.980 while people were arguing about the flight of a hag,

07:13:24.620 the height of flags on a table, if you can believe.

07:13:29.200 So we're in the gray zone.

07:13:32.140 We're in the, we don't know what's going on zone.

07:13:34.980 If there's going to be more war, 0.78

07:13:37.560 you will see the Iranian government that is in Iraq back in Iran,

07:13:42.060 and you will see all of these aircraft beaconry turned off.

07:13:45.980 So we're not seeing either of those.

07:13:47.620 We're in this gray whack-a-mole zone where people throw punches

07:13:51.360 while diplomats sit at a table and argue over inane things

07:13:55.220 that have nothing to do with people dying.

07:13:56.840 What do you?

07:13:57.840 It's funny that you say that, Trent.

07:14:00.140 I always say we're also in this information battlefield

07:14:03.320 in addition to the kinetic battlefield that we're in and the diplomacy.

07:14:07.080 Hey, I'm on stream, and I need to respond real quick before I get off because I'm on stream right now.

07:14:11.380 But I just want to say a couple things real fast.

07:14:13.540 I'll be very quick here.

07:14:14.380 Three things.

07:14:15.380 Number one, someone has said earlier that MOUs are not binding.

07:14:18.700 Look, that's a preposterous statement because the whole purpose of an MOU is to create a framework, which you bind to to some degree, to try to get a more serious deal in the future like a treaty or whatever it may be.

07:14:29.480 So what's the point of having an MOU if people aren't going to follow it? 0.93

07:14:32.060 So that's a ridiculous statement.

07:14:33.320 Also, why would we, you know, betray the MOU when we've already shown that we're not reliable because we bombed Iran twice while we're in the middle of negotiations?

07:14:41.180 So all it does is undermines our position, undermines our position diplomatically.

07:14:44.700 So it's foolish to sit there and be like, oh, yeah, we're just going to go ahead and have MOU and not agree to it.

07:14:48.740 Like, that's wild.

07:14:49.840 The second thing, the second thing I was going to say was someone said Israel wasn't included in the MOU. 0.95

07:14:53.960 Well, who cares?

07:14:55.220 We are the reason why Israel is able to survive the way that they do.

07:14:57.920 That is categorically false.

07:14:59.280 Okay.

07:14:59.860 Uh-oh.

07:15:00.480 Dude, dude, dude. 1.00

07:15:01.380 Hey, Israeli. 1.00

07:15:02.380 Israeli.

07:15:02.940 Israeli, I'm going to get to you in just a second.

07:15:06.100 Just because I didn't get to answer him from before.

07:15:09.020 It's been a few sentences back.

07:15:10.340 He's been speaking a lot about Israel.

07:15:11.880 Israel now is signed by the MOU. 0.53

07:15:13.580 Israel is on an American proxy. 0.64

07:15:15.440 Just as Americans are in terms of Israel's interest.

07:15:17.100 Just because he's on stream, he mentioned it.

07:15:18.680 There was a few points a while back.

07:15:20.400 So sorry to interrupt you, but it's very important to make that clear. 1.00

07:15:23.120 Nobody cares, Israeli. 1.00

07:15:24.680 Can you be quiet? 1.00

07:15:26.060 No, I'll make my points before because you mentioned before.

07:15:27.960 I was speaking. 1.00

07:15:29.120 Israelis have died at the hands of Hezbollah, 1.00

07:15:30.520 and we will absolutely fight the enemy that wants us dead and we will not be ashamed of that we 0.90

07:15:35.180 will not be binded or to something we never signed all right cool cool then you know what

07:15:39.600 how about this okay great whatever i welcome you to a conversation after myron if you would like

07:15:44.760 no no thank you i don't really care to talk to you you're speaking a lot about israel so if you

07:15:48.800 okay so can i finish can i finish here incredible myron just make your points really fast because

07:15:53.920 i needed to ask both that question get to some of the other hands like yeah and yahudah okay so um

07:15:58.900 Don't worry, this space is getting a lot of exposure right now because I'm out live.

07:16:02.880 So anyway, like I was saying, she's saying that Israel is, you know, fighting Lebanon and they're trying to kill them.

07:16:07.160 Great. You know what? How about this?

07:16:08.620 We just don't give you guys any type of aid, no diplomatic cover, no support.

07:16:12.020 You guys can go ahead and fight Hezbollah and all the other acts of resistance countries and deal with it on your own. 0.52

07:16:16.280 My thing is why. Let me finish. Let me finish. 0.81

07:16:19.320 So my thing is like, look, if you're not going to listen to what we say, then we don't have to support you guys anymore.

07:16:23.260 And you guys can fight your own wars. 0.83

07:16:24.320 We don't need Americans to crush Hezbollah. 0.96

07:16:26.100 Here we go. Here we go. 0.98

07:16:27.380 We don't need Americans to teach us how to fight a war.

07:16:30.780 You need us to cover you for everything, Dr. Ju.

07:16:33.080 Be quiet for two seconds.

07:16:35.160 Can you guys, you guys can't even control yourselves.

07:16:37.900 You can't even control yourselves.

07:16:38.880 The only one who's screaming, Myron.

07:16:40.400 You guys keep interrupting.

07:16:42.020 It's hilarious.

07:16:42.860 I appreciate it.

07:16:43.640 I think you spoke the most last one. 0.96

07:16:44.800 This is ridiculous. 0.97

07:16:47.040 Yes. 0.82

07:16:47.860 Thank you.

07:16:48.400 Myron, I think you wanted to make your last one.

07:16:49.960 Yeah.

07:16:50.660 We need to get to other hands.

07:16:52.500 Yeah, I understand.

07:16:53.140 so what i'm saying is when it comes to israel not being involved in the mou fine no problem if they

07:16:58.240 don't want to listen to us that's great but we don't need to support them anymore let them fight

07:17:01.580 their own wars because i look at it like we're the reason why they're even able to exist surrounded 0.99

07:17:05.520 by their enemies with all the support oh my god another jew coming in dude can you guys chill out 0.99

07:17:10.500 can you guys chill can you guys chill holy fuck like bro what is this what did i lose my mic 1.00

07:17:23.120 Yo, fuck these fucking losers, bro. 1.00

07:17:25.640 Oh, so ridiculous, man. 1.00

07:17:28.740 So ridiculous. 1.00

07:17:31.020 And the last thing I was going to say was about the Shredder Hamus. 0.94

07:17:36.280 The Shredder Hamus guys was open on February 27th. 0.99

07:17:39.700 So for them to sit here and be like, oh, what are you? 1.00

07:17:43.800 Yo, see how they can't control themselves?

07:17:45.360 They just start going crazy. 1.00

07:17:48.360 Bro, it's like the Hasbara people. 1.00

07:17:52.640 Yeah, I'm probably going to have to get off TikTok. 1.00

07:18:01.580 I'm going to get off TikTok right now because I'm on here.

07:18:06.100 I'm going to get off, guys, and then you can come on over to Kit, guys.

07:18:10.780 I'm going to get off TikTok and delete the stream 0.99

07:18:12.160 because I already know they're about to fucking cook my shit. 0.97

07:18:14.500 Come on over to, come on over, guys. 1.00

07:18:17.840 This shit is so fucking stupid. 1.00

07:18:20.160 So fucking stupid, dude. 1.00

07:18:21.560 I'm, like, the biggest person in there, and they're so fucking stupid that they don't realize, like, oh, maybe we should let this guy talk. 1.00

07:18:29.300 Maybe we want this guy to be able to say what he wants to say. 0.99

07:18:32.540 Like, this guy's by far the most popular person here. 0.97

07:18:35.200 It's all a bunch of fucking no-names in there. 0.88

07:18:37.560 And it's like, what's going on here, dude? 0.99

07:18:40.260 What is going on?

07:18:43.140 We're going to go in here.

07:18:43.940 We're going to sneak in. 1.00

07:18:45.060 I want to see what some of these idiots are saying. 0.99

07:18:46.920 um a3 a330 mrtt fleet they actually have six of them and they have you know used them before 0.99

07:18:56.360 now the question is were they in use during this war this recent attack and you know during the war

07:19:02.940 the the previous one um i i personally my opinion is no i don't think they have been involved

07:19:08.360 um there's no news that they have been involved there's no public statement that they you know

07:19:12.660 been involved um i and again my opinion is that no they're not they're not you know they have not

07:19:18.060 been involved saudi arabia's i think position has been very clear um in that they do not want to get

07:19:24.040 sucked in this war um they will try to not get sucked in this war in any way possible anyway um 0.98

07:19:31.300 yeah they don't want to get sucked in the war because they'll get fucked up and they know that 1.00

07:19:34.620 that's why they won't dare fucking fuck up the iranians uh yeah dude um that's so fucking gay 1.00

07:19:41.180 annoying dude it's so fucking retarded it really is um let me let me go on tiktok and clean this 1.00

07:19:48.880 shit up uh where were we and we have some big breaking news right now the u.s striking iran 1.00

07:20:00.280 i don't know i don't think it's her guys i think it's uh this fucking dude um the other guy that 0.99

07:20:05.240 keeps booting me the other person on there but let me go back where was i 0.98

07:20:12.260 as the two countries are in the middle of peace negotiations and scripts news senior white house

07:20:20.280 correspondent hayley bull literally just coming in here to tell us this breaking news so hayley

07:20:25.640 i know developments happening rapidly what do we know right now the u.s military says it is

07:20:30.940 launching what it calls a series of, quote, powerful strikes against Iran. And these are in

07:20:35.440 response to a series of vessels being hit earlier today in the Strait of Hormuz. U.S. Central Command

07:20:42.220 stating, quote, Iran's demonstrated aggression was unwarranted, dangerous, and a clear violation

07:20:49.580 of the ceasefire. Some of those tankers hit earlier today based on statements coming from

07:20:55.100 Qatar included a Saudi tanker as well as a Qatari tanker. Notably, Qatar has been a mediator in

07:21:02.000 negotiations between the U.S. and Iran. This is another layer of the U.S. response to this.

07:21:09.260 Earlier today, the administration also revoked a license that paved the way for the sale of

07:21:14.380 Iranian oil. That was something that was previously waived following the reaching of a memorandum of

07:21:20.240 understanding between the u.s and iran which officials had described as performance based a

07:21:26.580 u.s official telling us quote iran will only reap benefits if they exhibit good behavior iran's

07:21:31.880 actions in the strait were wholly unacceptable to the united states and will be met with consequences

07:21:37.040 they also noted that negotiators uh working yo i have no speed appreciate you g money thanks for 0.98

07:21:42.380 the 10 yeah dude that's fucking frustrating dealing with these fucking people bro such 1.00

07:21:46.240 fucking faggots man and that and now you guys know why jews piss me off so much who are the 1.00

07:21:51.480 people that start bitching as soon as i tell start telling the truth a bunch of fucking 1.00

07:21:54.560 retarded zionist jews you know i mean it's like fucking annoying i can't even finish my point 1.00

07:22:01.420 without them shutting the fuck up dude it's so fucking frustrating and then all these other 1.00

07:22:06.900 fucking faggots in there are like uh just interrupting being retarded oh can you be quick 1.00

07:22:13.800 yo i'm the biggest motherfucker in here shut the fuck up like literally literally 1.00

07:22:19.560 like what the fuck is going on holy shit man so goddamn fucking annoying 1.00

07:22:27.100 it's like what the fuck like what the fuck 1.00

07:22:33.320 holy shit man frustrating as fuck can't even get anything out because they know i'm telling the 0.99

07:22:39.660 truth like oh an mou isn't a framework i'm sorry an mou isn't a binding agreement what the fuck are 1.00

07:22:45.560 you are you retarded that's preposterous that's fucking preposterous yes it's not binding it's 0.99

07:22:52.860 a framework but you're supposed to adhere to the framework so that you build trust to get something 1.00

07:22:56.980 more uh tangible down the road like a fucking treaty idiots like what the fuck are we that 1.00

07:23:03.400 retarded it's not binding yes it is then why the fuck are you gonna waste your time and do it 1.00

07:23:09.660 That's number one. Then number two, the Israelis want to go ahead and continue the war in Lebanon. 0.98

07:23:14.720 Oh, we will fight. We'll fight. They go fight them. You motherfuckers are getting killed.

07:23:18.840 Go fight them then. Why the fuck are we helping you out? You would not survive without us. 1.00

07:23:24.060 And notice how all the fucking stupid ass Zionists with Israeli flags in their fucking bio. 1.00

07:23:28.120 No, we don't need America. Shut the fuck up, you fucking kike. Yes, you do. Yes, you fucking do. 1.00

07:23:34.320 Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. You fucking do. 1.00

07:23:38.660 you need us for diplomatic cover and everything fucking else 1.00

07:23:41.280 and the three people that kept interrupting me who are they fucking zionist jews man they're so 1.00

07:23:50.780 fucking insufferable also i was gonna say because i didn't get to finish was what the 0.99

07:24:01.500 ronians have done to united states is they've humiliated us why they knew that the israelis 0.99

07:24:07.440 would not fucking pull out of Lebanon made Trump look weak they know that we can't protect our 1.00

07:24:14.880 fucking allies in the gulf they bombed them they know we can't even protect our fucking bases 0.99

07:24:19.480 they bombed those too so now the United States looks weak on multiple grounds we can't protect 1.00

07:24:26.900 our allies we can't get Israel in check we can't protect our bases fucking cooked 0.94

07:24:31.080 and then finally what i was going to say about the shredder humus was it was open on february 27th 0.98

07:24:40.420 iran is going to rise up as the fourth world fucking power because we alongside the israelis 0.61

07:24:47.200 attacked them on february 28th they closed the shredder humus they didn't realize how much of a 0.99

07:24:51.860 fucking superpower it was now they realize what a superpower was and how easy it is for them to 0.98

07:24:55.920 close it, done. They're controlling that forever. Billions of dollars coming in. Billions of dollars 0.99

07:25:02.360 coming in. That's why I don't give a fuck about the sanctions no more. So yeah, what it comes down 0.90

07:25:15.600 to is it's simply this. Trump took a gamble. He thought he'd be able to topple the government in

07:25:21.140 96 hours. He thought

07:25:23.120 he'd get another Venezuela. He 0.89

07:25:25.080 thought killing Ali Khamenei in the first part

07:25:27.300 would make it impossible

07:25:29.300 for them to regroup and close the straighter moose. 0.99

07:25:31.260 And he was fucking wrong. 0.99

07:25:33.100 He was big time wrong. 0.99

07:25:37.640 And you guys want to know how I know

07:25:39.160 that our government has been lying to us the whole 0.98

07:25:41.300 fucking time like they always do, by the way? 0.99

07:25:43.600 Let me show y'all something. 1.00

07:25:51.140 I'm going to show y'all niggas something real quick, man. 1.00

07:25:56.920 Because people, um. 1.00

07:26:13.900 Look at all these fucking people, bro. 1.00

07:26:21.140 biggest funeral of all time dude 1.00

07:26:32.480 biggest funeral of all time 1.00

07:26:35.920 didn't the Israelis

07:26:38.960 and the Trump administration say that

07:26:42.640 oh it's a horrible regime 0.69

07:26:44.500 they kill their own people

07:26:46.280 the people want to rebel 1.00

07:26:48.280 didn't they say some stupid shit like that 1.00

07:26:52.140 How the fuck did 20 million people attend this fucking funeral then? 1.00

07:26:58.280 Biggest funeral ever, dude. 1.00

07:27:06.700 So it's like, somebody's lying, clearly.

07:27:11.440 Because if they hated him as much as they claim,

07:27:15.100 would there be a turnout this big?

07:27:18.120 No. 1.00

07:27:19.240 So everything our government told us about Iran is a fucking lie. 1.00

07:27:24.040 And again, I'm not saying this because I'm like some fucking, you know, pro-Iranian motherfucker. 1.00

07:27:28.980 But it's like, bro, what the fuck are we doing? 1.00

07:27:32.300 What the fuck are we doing? 0.99

07:27:34.160 We're in this war that has no fucking benefit for us. 1.00

07:27:40.300 Of course, the fucking Jews and the Israelis love it because it helps their dumb asses out. 1.00

07:27:44.640 Doesn't benefit us at all. 1.00

07:27:48.600 hold on let me i got i got let me show y'all niggas a clip i got a clip here somewhere 0.99

07:27:58.660 on my page i'll show you guys um dude it's just so fucking ridiculous 0.99

07:28:04.520 look at this shit man 0.99

07:28:12.220 that's a helicopter and this is real too i died made sure to double check this shit i put it 1.00

07:28:23.040 through ai i asked is this fucking ai because even i was shocked it's not dude it's not and 1.00

07:28:31.080 then our government tells us that everybody hated the fucking supreme leader that's a fucking lie 0.99

07:28:34.840 bro you don't get a turnout like this if you're hated 1.00

07:28:38.640 bro it's like it's it's like ridiculous man it's fucking ridiculous all they do is lie 1.00

07:29:05.980 oh look and I left and now their shit is down to 1.00

07:29:08.400 they had like 4,000 now they're down to like 3,100 1.00

07:29:10.380 bitch ass fucking space they deserve it 1.00

07:29:12.200 they lost a thousand people just by me fucking leaving 1.00

07:29:14.700 maybe 0.99

07:29:16.340 not just me but other people probably got frustrated and left too 1.00

07:29:18.860 fucking retarded dude 1.00

07:29:20.520 yo they like that's the one thing I hate about 1.00

07:29:22.520 Mario Spaces he always bring these faggot ass 1.00

07:29:24.700 Jews in there dude 1.00

07:29:25.420 these fucking annoying stupid 1.00

07:29:27.840 kike motherfuckers man these 1.00

07:29:29.660 fucking retarded fucking Zionists 1.00

07:29:32.100 so annoying dude 1.00

07:29:35.220 So fucking annoying. 1.00

07:29:44.020 Dumbass bitch, Azzy, whatever the fucking name is. 1.00

07:29:45.900 I sent her. 1.00

07:29:48.120 I said, what's your problem?

07:29:49.320 Okay, I don't have any problem.

07:29:54.980 She said I triggered them by saying, okay, Drew.

07:29:59.860 Yo!

07:30:01.400 Like. 1.00

07:30:04.380 Tell them to shut the fuck up then. 0.99

07:30:09.080 She said, I triggered them by saying, 1.00

07:30:10.840 I said, what's your problem?

07:30:14.340 She says, I don't have any problem, Myron.

07:30:15.860 I even said, okay, make your next point,

07:30:17.520 even your last one.

07:30:18.580 But you also triggered some of them by saying,

07:30:20.200 okay, Jew, several times,

07:30:21.300 so explode it to what it was. 1.00

07:30:22.340 I don't control speaker requests or rotation.

07:30:23.780 I just moderate and break news.

07:30:25.960 Bro, you clearly do because you keep, 0.99

07:30:28.700 she kept fucking taking me off speaker. 1.00

07:30:30.280 Like I'm doing your dumb asses a favor 1.00

07:30:34.720 Like what the fuck 1.00

07:30:36.160 You know 1.00

07:30:37.660 Um

07:30:40.140 Okay let's go back to what we were doing here

07:30:57.140 Were we

07:30:58.380 continuing to work towards a final deal now whether those talks that impact on these talks

07:31:06.860 following this latest round of strikes remains to be seen this is not the first time that the

07:31:11.180 u.s. has launched strikes in the midst of these talks with iran in response to aggression in the

07:31:17.120 strait notably this week those high-level talks and those technical talks were essentially paused

07:31:23.420 as we saw the funeral for Iran's supreme leader being carried out.

07:31:27.640 But at the same time, publicly, the Iranians have continued to try to double down on their view of control of the strait

07:31:34.540 that the U.S. and other allies have maintained is an international waterway.

07:31:38.520 So at this point, not clear how this might impact that memorandum of understanding agreement.

07:31:45.340 I do want to ask, because the president declared this conflict is over,

07:31:48.960 That's why he says he didn't need approval from Congress after 60 days.

07:31:53.920 What does this mean for that discussion?

07:31:57.620 Well, that remains to be seen.

07:31:59.080 Historically, what we have seen is that the U.S. has viewed this as responses to particular incidents of aggression.

07:32:06.220 It is notable that in the statement from Central Command, they are calling this a clear violation of the ceasefire,

07:32:13.200 which, of course, is part of the memorandum of understanding.

07:32:16.660 So how the U.S. views this after having already carried out strikes in a similar vein before remains to be seen.

07:32:25.540 Historically, in these strikes, U.S. Central Command has focused on military targets.

07:32:30.320 We are waiting to see what is specifically hit in this regard and if Iran retaliates.

07:32:36.920 Previously, they have retaliated on Middle Eastern partners in response to this.

07:32:41.900 So it's very early. There are a lot of questions left to be answered right now.

07:32:46.660 uh let's see here what else we got oh let me read some super chats shit um okay

07:32:54.980 uh somehow it was good chat just came in uh who's the guy that's answer the questions 0.99

07:33:12.880 It's not the food in the hotel is all the damn soda they drink. 0.57

07:33:15.340 KB says, just out of curiosity, Andrew Wilson is covering too. 0.95

07:33:20.100 Would y'all consider doing dual analysis one of these days this week?

07:33:22.580 If he wants to.

07:33:25.040 Copyright rate of stream.

07:33:25.920 Thanks, J. Miles.

07:33:26.760 Where did you get your women, stupid? 1.00

07:33:28.140 I got as a gift. 1.00

07:33:29.240 Goku, talk your shit. 1.00

07:33:30.500 This chick has never had a man take such an interest in her job before today. 1.00

07:33:36.660 Exactly. 0.99

07:33:37.840 Guard says, yo, listen to the state versus defense on this case.

07:33:40.620 It's like watching a battle between two levels.

07:33:42.540 Hello, boxers.

07:33:45.480 Torita says,

07:33:46.520 all right, you need to add this sound effect

07:33:48.120 to the boondocks.

07:33:48.880 Guilty. 1.00

07:33:49.600 That nigga's guilty. 1.00

07:33:51.400 Can we get a Shadow Realm counter on the screen? 1.00

07:33:54.820 We're going to start calling that boy 0.83

07:33:56.000 Benjamin Kapanyahu.

07:33:57.160 Facts. 0.54

07:33:58.520 One chest with the,

07:34:01.480 if you guys want to enter the competition,

07:34:04.720 then if you guys want training,

07:34:06.160 definitely get one chest.

07:34:07.680 If you're fat,

07:34:09.180 and you're tired of being fat, 0.99

07:34:10.040 um d elder thanks for not being brain dead mine if evidence gets thrown out and prelim is 0.60

07:34:18.760 excluded from the trial uh yeah there's uh they'll have to find a way to get it in guys

07:34:24.000 share the locals and oss let's get myron to 10 000 appreciate that uh a lot of these x-paces 0.98

07:34:29.600 are just fake think tanks yeah using that gay sound effect was funny as fuck yeah try bro um 0.98

07:34:35.460 Ice Age just shoots man in Houston 1.00

07:34:37.660 after trying to run him over

07:34:38.680 oh really 0.99

07:34:40.040 damn 1.00

07:34:42.260 made a new Israeli flag, baby killer, facts 1.00

07:34:45.560 after you attended that space

07:34:47.460 you're definitely on the Canary Mission website

07:34:49.000 we did it, did I?

07:34:51.180 I don't know if I'm going to be on that website

07:34:52.560 Raz Viking, let's fry the chat

07:34:55.280 O says all for one and one for all, O says cook the chat

07:34:57.460 what status is this? 0.99

07:35:05.460 yeah it's fucking gay actually that they don't let me um that they don't let me tell i see what 1.00

07:35:15.700 you got oh you guys are cooking them in the okay good shit i like that i like that i appreciate 1.00

07:35:20.520 that guys i appreciate that you guys are cooking them on the fucking um on a thing man yeah i'll 0.99

07:35:27.720 even comment in here uh they're commenting here i'll show you guys i'll give you all the link 1.00

07:35:54.680 yeah just comment on that shit say that they're fucking retarded 0.99

07:35:57.720 there's the link guys 1.00

07:35:59.740 go ahead and cook

07:36:00.460 there's the link guys 1.00

07:36:27.720 fucking retarded bro so frustrating dude so fucking frustrating 1.00

07:36:32.940 uh can this report be any more jewish with a nose speaking out says don't know if you're 1.00

07:36:41.060 covered this already by conor murphy foreign finisher influencer died yeah i don't know if

07:36:44.880 that's true man um all right do we have a confirmation count like if you had a chance

07:36:53.460 to cover the dead black kid in mississippi they just found his body no i didn't cover that

07:36:56.740 um myron would you do another interview with candace to hear out the alt theory

07:37:00.660 um sure i i don't know uh yeah i don't know i'd be down but but yeah dude 0.99

07:37:09.620 fucking retarded dude 1.00

07:37:23.460 I just don't like running Twitter spaces, bro. 1.00

07:37:27.620 They're fucking gay, 1.00

07:37:28.100 but I can see you niggas in here cooking. 1.00

07:37:34.660 Appreciate you guys fucking baking these faggots, bro. 1.00

07:37:36.820 Niggas are retarded, man. 1.00

07:37:39.780 Like, fuck, yeah, just, yeah, 1.00

07:37:40.920 just tell them, call them their faggots, bro, 1.00

07:37:42.280 because they are. 1.00

07:37:43.860 Someone linked to Brent Crude Prices

07:37:45.480 in the replies to Mario Space.

07:37:49.620 Where?

07:37:50.540 I mean, I could pull it up right here.

07:37:53.460 sitting at 75 yeah this is totally astro turf by the way guys

07:38:02.780 this price is not going to last long if we keep going like this dude

07:38:13.260 um getter chris says the funeral looks like the rod store at copacabana

07:38:23.460 Thank you.

07:38:53.460 ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE

07:38:55.460 WE GOT HERE.

07:38:56.460 LET'S FINISH THIS INTERVIEW.

07:38:58.460 CAPTAIN YAHOO. 0.99

07:39:00.460 PROTECT SO MANY OTHERS BY 1.00

07:39:02.460 FIGHTING THESE BARBARIANS WHO 1.00

07:39:04.460 HAVE NO QUALMS WHATSOEVER TO 1.00

07:39:05.460 MURDERING THEIR OWN PEOPLE AND

07:39:07.460 TRYING TO TERRORIZE EVERYONE 0.98

07:39:08.460 ELSE. 1.00

07:39:09.460 SOME AMERICAN JEWS IN

07:39:11.460 CONGRESS WHO SUPPORT ISRAEL AND

07:39:13.460 SUPPORT WHAT YOU JUST SAID, SAY

07:39:16.460 THAT A LOT OF THE ACTIONS BY YOU

07:39:18.460 AND YOUR GOVERNMENT ARE MAKING 0.66

07:39:20.460 JEWS IN THE UNITED STATES 1.00

07:39:21.460 CONGRESSWOMAN HAILEY STEPHENS, 0.93

07:39:23.540 SHE'S RUNNING FOR SENATE IN

07:39:24.640 MICHIGAN, SAID BENJAMIN

07:39:25.940 YETUNYAHU HAS MADE US LESS SAFE. 0.90

07:39:28.160 HE HAS FRANKLY PUT JEWS IN AN 0.93

07:39:30.080 UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION ACROSS 1.00

07:39:31.620 THE COUNTRY.

07:39:32.280 HAVE YOU?

07:39:34.820 WELL, IT'S MADE HER

07:39:36.740 UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE SHE CAN'T

07:39:38.520 STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH.

07:39:40.360 SHE'S TRYING TO PROBABLY EXCUSE

07:39:42.420 ANTISEMITISM.

07:39:43.220 YOU KNOW, I...

07:39:44.020 SHE'S NOT.

07:39:44.520 I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN.

07:39:46.300 SHE'S SOMEBODY WHO SUPPORTS 1.00

07:39:47.540 ISRAEL. 0.79

07:39:47.940 SHE SUPPORTS FUNDING ISRAEL,

07:39:49.780 which is diminishing big time among Democrats and even some Republicans in the United States Congress?

07:39:57.180 Well, let me tell you, we track support, and I'm obviously concerned when people raise that.

07:40:02.860 And I've looked at the Gallup polls, okay, and they're very interesting, and other polls.

07:40:08.220 And you see the decline in support for Israel, okay?

07:40:11.920 And it's years before, several years before the Gaza war took place, okay? 0.85

07:40:17.440 and you ask why did that happen well the one correlation you see which is almost a perfect

07:40:23.120 correlation is the penetration of tiktok and other social media in the united states and as

07:40:30.020 the penetration increases the support for israel decreases and let me tell you something else yeah

07:40:34.960 because uh people are figuring out the truth and it's fucking great that social media is doing that 0.95

07:40:38.920 that's why they're trying to fucking you know right um that's why they're trying to take control 0.94

07:40:43.220 the narrative that's why they took control of tiktok right that's a big reason why they got 0.98

07:40:48.320 tiktok matter of fact because tiktok is how the normies um that is the normie platform right there

07:40:54.040 tiktok that is the normie platform

07:40:57.780 the support for america decreases the number of people who say they're not proud to be american

07:41:06.880 it's just correlation so i think that what has happened here is that no most people are just 0.98

07:41:11.720 annoyed uh that we support you fucking dickhead so much that that's really what it is if i want 0.98

07:41:16.580 to be very honest here you're just really really fucking tired of um supporting uh 1.00

07:41:23.680 israel being and our tax dollars going to like bombing kids like people are just tired of that 0.99

07:41:28.960 shit dude there are several countries and organizations that have penetrated the social 1.00

07:41:34.480 media have abused them uh by putting in bot farms and other things to uh especially directed at 0.97

07:41:41.360 I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF

07:41:43.360 THEM.

07:41:44.360 I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF 0.81

07:41:46.360 YOUNG AMERICANS TO NOT ONLY TO 0.99

07:41:49.360 HATE ISRAEL, BUT ALSO TO HATE 0.99

07:41:51.360 AMERICA. 0.99

07:41:52.360 YOU KNOW WHAT?

07:41:53.360 THOSE WHO SAY THEY HATE ISRAEL

07:41:55.360 USUALLY END UP HATING AMERICA.

07:41:57.360 MR. PRIME MINISTER, I THINK

07:41:59.360 ALL THINGS CAN BE TRUE.

07:42:01.360 ALL THINGS CAN BE TRUE.

07:42:03.360 WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT BOTS

07:42:05.360 AND ABOUT THE INTERNET, NO

07:42:07.360 QUESTION.

07:42:08.360 BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT ISRAEL

07:42:10.360 CONTINUING TO REFUSE TO DISARM.

07:42:13.220 THE IDF IS ALSO CARRIING OUT NEARLY DAILY AIR STRIKES IN GAZA.

07:42:17.840 YOU'VE TAKEN OVER MORE TERRITORY THERE. 0.95

07:42:20.380 AND THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE ARE CONTINUING TO SUFFER. 0.99

07:42:24.300 STILL DISPLACED, DEALING WITH INTENSE HEAT, LIMITED CARE, LIMITED RESOURCES.

07:42:29.340 WILL YOU DO MORE TO HELP THOSE SUFFERING IN GAZA?

07:42:31.780 AND WILL YOU CONCEDE THAT THE IMAGES THAT PEOPLE ARE SEEING ON THEIR PHONES AS PART

07:42:37.200 OF SOCIAL MEDIA IS VERY MUCH

07:42:39.680 CONTRIBUTING TO THE TURNAROUND

07:42:43.900 AND THE DIMINISHMENT OF SUPPORT

07:42:46.440 OF YOUR STATE OF ISRAEL AND OF

07:42:48.080 YOU.

07:42:48.580 YEAH, LOOK, I THINK THAT THE,

07:42:53.340 WHAT YOU'RE RAISING IS HOW DO YOU

07:42:54.720 FIGHT A WAR IN THE DIGITAL AGE

07:42:57.500 WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE

07:43:01.780 TERRORISTS THAT EMBED.

07:43:03.080 KEYON BLAKE, HAVE YOU HAD A

07:43:07.200 Oh, the chat is in fire.

07:43:11.840 Oh, okay.

07:43:13.080 Let me look here.

07:43:14.900 ...themselves in civilian populations, in schools, in civilian neighborhoods, in apartment blocks, in mosques and so on. 0.99

07:43:22.120 How do you fight them?

07:43:23.000 They send rockets to indiscriminately kill our people, and they hide behind...

07:43:27.740 They're targeting our civilians while hiding behind their own civilians.

07:43:31.360 So what are you going to do?

07:43:32.420 What do you think would happen if this happened to New York?

07:43:34.180 Oh, God.

07:43:35.280 The army is going strong, man. 0.96

07:43:37.200 yeah bro it's so fucking annoying 1.00

07:43:44.240 yeah this dude's a fucking retard 1.00

07:43:51.060 fucking retard 1.00

07:43:59.460 um 1.00

07:44:00.700 yeah

07:44:07.200 panel so tries to play an echo chamber 0.78

07:44:11.920 funded through a Jewish self 1.00

07:44:13.720 yeah she's so annoying bro can't even answer a simple 0.74

07:44:15.920 question about the story being open yeah dude like 0.99

07:44:17.700 ridiculous 0.99

07:44:18.300 so fucking ridiculous 1.00

07:44:23.940 bro 1.00

07:44:24.240 let's finish the Netanyahu interview though

07:44:27.100 New York City from New Jersey 0.89

07:44:28.880 you think if they rocketed you with

07:44:31.080 you know with this firepower

07:44:33.680 and murdered about 0.60

07:44:35.140 about 10,000 of European people murdered, raped, maimed, disemboweled. 10,000 Americans. What do

07:44:42.160 you think the response of the United States would be? But let me ask you about right now. It would

07:44:44.580 be a lot stronger than ours. Yeah. I'm going to say right now, but I think it's important.

07:44:50.380 I think it's important. We have taken unbelievable measures in order to avoid civilian casualties.

07:44:57.520 You know, we send millions of phone calls to the people, millions of text messages and so on. 0.95

07:45:02.680 Please leave this neighborhood because we're going to try to eradicate Hamas in it. 0.79

07:45:05.560 But, sir, there's supposed to be a ceasefire right now. 0.67

07:45:07.460 And Hamas – I'm talking about – I'll ceasefire and talk about it in a minute.

07:45:12.900 Obviously, there's no real fighting going on.

07:45:15.640 There are occasional actions that they try to do against us and we do against them,

07:45:19.420 but it's not the kind of broad warfare that we had before.

07:45:22.960 Everybody understands that.

07:45:24.260 But I still come back to this point, Dana, and I insist on it because people say,

07:45:28.420 Israel, how dare you? How come civilians are killed? Because Hamas did not let the civilians

07:45:34.820 leave. And when they try to leave at our behest, they would shoot them. They would actually kill

07:45:43.140 their own people in order to keep them in a place where they would be injured by us. So when you

07:45:47.880 have this cynicism and this horror, you don't support the terrorists. You support Israel because 0.98

07:45:54.400 you will end up being in the same place exactly. We're not fighting just our battle, we're fighting

07:45:59.360 your battle, both against Iran and its proxies, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis. These people are

07:46:06.080 bent on destroying our free societies. And they're bent on using the media for that end.

07:46:15.200 Well, look, it depends. Every time they try to kill our people, make a move on our people,

07:46:21.080 Obviously, we act.

07:46:22.340 But I think that the most important thing is the disarmament factor in the agreement,

07:46:28.660 the 20-point agreement that President Trump put forward.

07:46:31.640 And the most important one is that Hamas has to disarm and Gaza has to be demilitarized.

07:46:37.380 You know, it's going to happen in one way or the other.

07:46:39.340 I prefer that it would happen without the need for the use of force and the need for

07:46:45.720 our use of force because, Donna, I've been to war.

07:46:49.420 You know, I served five years in a special unit.

07:46:53.060 My brother died while saving the hostages in Antibet.

07:46:56.420 I had an 18-year-old fellow soldier die in my arms.

07:47:00.660 That's not something that you forget.

07:47:02.520 And I saw the grief of my parents and the grief of so many others.

07:47:06.440 So I would prefer if we could avoid the renewal of open combat.

07:47:12.840 Yes, I would prefer that if we could achieve our aims of eliminating the Hamas threat from Gaza 0.84

07:47:17.780 with other means. 0.87

07:47:19.420 BY ALL MEANS.

07:47:20.700 I KNOW WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME,

07:47:22.500 BUT I REALLY DO WANT TO ASK ONE

07:47:23.880 FINAL QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING

07:47:26.140 ON IN THE WEST BANK. 1.00

07:47:27.220 VIOLENT ATTACKS BY ISRAELI 1.00

07:47:28.820 SETTLERS AGAINST PALESTINIANS.

07:47:31.080 OVER THE WEEKEND, ISRAELI

07:47:32.880 SETTLERS IN THE WEST BANK RAIDED 0.75

07:47:34.960 AND SET FIRE TO A RESTAURANT.

07:47:36.760 WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS THAT WE'RE

07:47:37.920 SHOWING.

07:47:38.380 I KNOW, AND I'VE HEARD YOU SAY

07:47:39.680 THESE ARE JUST THUGS.

07:47:41.500 BUT MY QUESTION IS, IF THEY'RE

07:47:43.220 JUST THUGS?

07:47:44.040 YEAH.

07:47:44.940 WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WEST

07:47:46.020 BANK, BY THE WAY, GUYS, IS 0.99

07:47:46.860 ABSOLUTELY FUCKING CRAZY. 1.00

07:47:49.420 And they've been doing this for a while, these West Bank settlers, bro. 1.00

07:47:53.840 They're fucking scumbags. 1.00

07:47:55.960 Like, lots of them don't have the money to live in, like, Tel Aviv and shit, 1.00

07:47:58.880 so they're just, like, hillbilly idiots. 1.00

07:48:02.300 They're like the hillbilly Jews. 1.00

07:48:04.440 Why won't or can't you stop them? 1.00

07:48:09.080 Well, we do, actually.

07:48:11.420 It's about 100—it's actually 150 or so, what you would call juvenile delinquents.

07:48:17.120 They're not, by the way, from the settler community.

07:48:19.760 They're overwhelmingly upstanding citizens.

07:48:23.500 They serve in the army.

07:48:24.900 They're law-abiding.

07:48:26.260 And unfortunately, they're attacked by Palestinian terrorists on the roads.

07:48:31.640 They massacre families. 0.98

07:48:33.820 So it's not that community.

07:48:36.560 It is actually 150 or so kids, teenagers usually, who are brought into the area of here.

07:48:43.720 But you're the Israeli government. 0.93

07:48:45.060 You should be able to stop them, particularly given how much of an impact this is having globally on seeing this happen in these images. 0.93

07:48:55.360 You're absolutely right that this is blown up beyond belief and causes a lot of damage.

07:49:00.240 I think it's wrong on its own account. 0.99

07:49:01.680 I don't want and don't accept vigilantism, and I don't care if it comes from Arabs or Jews.

07:49:08.160 Our citizens cannot practice violence against anyone.

07:49:13.200 If we have to apply force, it's the law and order.

07:49:16.700 It's the police and the military that has to do that.

07:49:19.300 And therefore, we take actions among them.

07:49:21.600 But it's precisely because it's such a tightly knit group that acts according to—they try to skirt the law.

07:49:33.460 And when we bring them to the courts, our courts are very lenient.

07:49:36.600 I don't know why. Maybe because they're young.

07:49:38.400 And I've said that we have to challenge that.

07:49:40.580 and I will not, I don't accept it, but I want to put that in perspective. It's not the settler 1.00

07:49:45.520 community because they, the settler community condemns them. It's not the people of Israel 0.73

07:49:50.340 because we condemn them. It's not the government of Israel. It's a, it's a, I would say a violation 0.52

07:49:56.600 of the basic norms of our country. We don't accept it. I don't accept it. Okay. And I do

07:50:01.400 have to let you go, but you are committed, for example, to going after and bringing justice to

07:50:07.300 FOR THE FAMILY OF PALESTINIAN

07:50:09.420 AMERICAN SAVE MOUSALET WHO WAS

07:50:11.980 BEATEN TO DEATH LAST YEAR?

07:50:16.360 I'M NOT SURE THAT I'LL LOOK

07:50:19.900 INTO IT CERTAINLY BECAUSE YOU

07:50:21.020 RAISE IT BUT I'VE TRIED TO MAKE

07:50:23.820 SURE THAT LOOK EVERY TIME YOU

07:50:25.780 HAVE THIS YOU DO IT WE HAVE REAL 1.00

07:50:27.480 INVESTIGATIONS YOU KNOW ISRAEL 0.55

07:50:29.300 IS A TRANSPARENT COUNTRY YOU

07:50:31.080 CAN'T YOU CAN'T NOT TRANSPARENT

07:50:33.280 AT ALL YOU GUYS GOT AN ILLEGAL 0.97

07:50:34.440 NUCLEAR PROGRAM YOU DON'T TALK 1.00

07:50:35.860 about that not signed on npt all a bunch of fucking cap man cap cap cap um let's go ahead 1.00

07:50:44.620 what else do i want to show here yeah fucking insane um okay so we're we got that let me get 0.99

07:50:55.660 some of this stuff out the way um we'll keep this one the connor murphy thing i don't let me see if 0.98

07:51:03.560 this is real dude because it's breaking right now i don't believe kick champ bro kick champ always

07:51:08.380 lies do we farms threads

07:51:12.000 you know it's kind of crazy because connor murphy um went crazy bro

07:51:26.520 he used to be the chad man bro was the original looks max her and um something just snapped dude

07:51:37.380 tony hughes murphy a lot of close friends and mutual friends 0.97

07:51:51.000 oh shit johnny bravo said it now 0.99

07:51:53.560 fuck caused his death there was witnesses who saw connor on this what happened to connor and 1.00

07:52:01.620 what caused his death there was witnesses who saw connor on the side of the road acting 0.99

07:52:05.620 about and he was praying on the side of the road acting you know how connor sometimes acts

07:52:12.120 well they panicked they called the police and the bangkok police they came to the scene

07:52:16.380 and once Connor saw them he panicked and he went and jumped in the lake by his home and he was

07:52:25.280 trying I guess to swim away from the police so far out into that waters and I know those waters

07:52:29.640 are very deep until he was exhausted and he ended up dying and that's where his body was found.

07:52:35.860 The police later entered his home and they saw the house was very messy there was strange paintings

07:52:41.780 all over the walls

07:52:42.860 and we've seen this behavior

07:52:43.940 you know with Conor before

07:52:45.120 and his ex

07:52:46.280 his girlfriend

07:52:47.000 who was at the scene

07:52:47.860 she said that

07:52:48.500 he was up all night

07:52:49.720 he was going crazy

07:52:50.880 he didn't sleep all night

07:52:51.840 and the next day

07:52:53.040 I guess is where

07:52:53.720 he was found on the streets

07:52:54.700 where people ended up

07:52:55.440 calling the police on him

07:52:56.360 an American man 0.98

07:52:57.320 went on a violent ramp

07:52:58.240 what happened to Conor

07:52:59.460 and what caught 0.99

07:52:59.940 fuck 0.99

07:53:01.620 so it's real 1.00

07:53:05.420 wow man

07:53:09.840 wow

07:53:13.400 wow

07:53:16.220 so

07:53:30.620 Grok is saying it's a different

07:53:32.000 Connor Murphy

07:53:32.600 but

07:53:37.620 I don't know

07:53:39.000 What is this?

07:54:09.000 I can handle spicy but he's sweating. I don't know who Tony Hughes is.

07:54:25.500 Seems to be one of his friends, I guess.

07:54:27.660 I didn't think I should make a video at all, but I consulted a lot of close friends and

07:54:43.460 mutual friends, and the consensus was that I should make a video right now, and I'm still

07:54:53.000 processing this because it doesn't seem real.

07:54:55.160 i'll just give you the straight facts first of all connor murphy was living i didn't think

07:55:01.880 all right i got a i got the youtube video here we'll watch this probably better quality um

07:55:07.980 what the fuck okay i should make a video at all but i all right some of you guys might not know

07:55:19.800 who this guy is uh so connor murphy guys um og fitness youtuber from way back in the day i can 0.92

07:55:25.680 i consider him like uh a youtuber from the aesthetic era um and he was like really popular

07:55:33.660 i would say in the 2010s from the 2010s like 2015 right um he was known for like doing uh

07:55:45.740 like look i'll show you guys right now i think i could just show you guys better than i can tell you 0.98

07:55:49.540 fucking crazy dude wow 1.00

07:55:57.160 he just became crazy dude he became insane 1.00

07:56:19.540 you know videos popular yeah like this is what he's known for all right so the game is

07:56:29.940 i'll give you three guesses three chances to guess the color of my shirt and this is both

07:56:34.420 this is before he became crazy this was what how long was this yeah 2016 so

07:56:39.300 yeah this is like peak connor murphy days man the original chad look maxer looks maxer

07:56:47.540 dude.

07:57:07.500 And he lived in Austin, Texas at the time

07:57:09.700 when he did a lot of this stuff. 1.00

07:57:13.980 Red?

07:57:15.140 Red.

07:57:15.620 Red? Why are so many people picking red? Oh my gosh, is it showing?

07:57:21.920 Yeah. Oh my gosh.

07:57:23.440 I can't even see your shirt, so...

07:57:24.880 You can see it?

07:57:25.580 I can.

07:57:26.300 It's okay, it's okay. Just keep going.

07:57:28.820 Two more guesses. Just go for it.

07:57:30.360 Okay.

07:57:32.020 I'm just trying to be nice. 1.00

07:57:33.060 Black. 1.00

07:57:33.400 Black, okay. 0.91

07:57:34.100 One more red. 0.87

07:57:35.120 Green.

07:57:35.900 Green. That's a more unique guess.

07:57:38.180 Blue.

07:57:38.700 Blue?

07:57:39.160 Green.

07:57:40.200 I feel like it's going to be some of the third thing.

07:57:42.780 Blue.

07:57:43.600 Blue, really?

07:57:44.240 Unfortunately, all those three are wrong. It's actually neither of those. You don't believe me?

07:57:49.880 I don't believe it. Do you believe me? No. You don't believe me? I can see it. It's red.

07:57:54.260 Do you believe it though? No, not at all. You don't believe it? No. You guys want to see what it is?

07:57:58.400 You want to see your new favorite color?

07:58:00.560 Yes!

07:58:14.240 Yeah, see, and this is what happens when you're in good shape, man. 1.00

07:58:20.060 You can do shit like this, and girls don't give a fuck. 1.00

07:58:24.520 That's not fair. 1.00

07:58:26.320 Their reactions were better than yours.

07:58:32.840 This is a better color, though, don't you think?

07:58:34.940 Yeah, but I have better abs than yours.

07:58:36.740 Really? Can I see?

07:58:38.360 Oh, my God.

07:58:39.960 Oh, my God. 1.00

07:58:41.040 She's got me beat. 0.74

07:58:42.580 Wow. 0.82

07:58:42.980 that's way way better than red right yeah so um this is what he was known for man he would get

07:58:57.420 a lot of views doing stuff like this right and this was like back when fitness youtube was like

07:59:02.220 a thing you know i'll be honest with you guys i think fitness youtube is dead nowadays i mean 0.71

07:59:06.940 you guys tell me what you guys think but i think it's fucking dead um you know guys like connor 0.87

07:59:11.700 murphy you look at people like you know i'm gonna go real back and you got people like jeff side 0.97

07:59:16.740 right i don't even think these guys post anymore dude like when's the last time he posted to be

07:59:22.380 oh he posted two weeks ago okay all right but yeah i mean like yeah man these guys

07:59:29.240 you know you look at like uh matt ogus does he post anymore let's see 0.75

07:59:33.920 we're going we're going through the fucking history uh things right here what is this videos 0.97

07:59:41.040 one year ago holy shit yeah these guys like they don't they don't post anymore bro 0.98

07:59:48.180 you look at like people like let's see what christian guzman is doing 0.92

07:59:51.380 we're going real back okay one day ago that's good he's still posting where's his hair

08:00:00.220 still married okay that's good to see um you got uh who else

08:00:06.980 who else i'm trying to think what are their like fitness youtubers from back in the day

08:00:13.560 um i'm really showing my age right now oh yeah chris jones yeah shout out to chris jones

08:00:21.920 he's been on the show multiple times right beast mode jones he's still he's still posting

08:00:27.260 right uh who else get a crate appreciate you rich piana yeah yeah rich piana

08:00:37.560 calvin moger does he even post no i don't even think he posts anymore let me see here

08:00:42.140 why i chose disappear okay 10 days ago

08:00:47.640 yeah see like like yeah man these guys have not been around forever

08:00:53.240 you know so he started taking boxing and then it said literally why i chose to disappear

08:00:58.480 so he wasn't around um i'm trying to think who else i mean bradley martin is still around the

08:01:07.980 only person i would say that like comes from that fitness era and is still like that still post is

08:01:14.160 like bradley martin dude yeah hot swims post yeah but they stopped to finish it they've been

08:01:18.660 don't want to finish it uh cali muscle stopped to finish it too

08:01:22.380 or does he still do it i don't think i don't know let me see here

08:01:26.280 i don't think he does does he still do fitness content

08:01:29.600 yeah not so much i know he did the car shift for a while

08:01:38.580 so yeah bro it's it's like um he does food content

08:01:46.720 Yeah, bro

08:01:48.520 Fitness content is dead, bro

08:01:50.620 Fitness content is dead

08:01:53.800 Like, if you only do

08:01:56.280 Fitness content, Omar Esau

08:01:58.160 That's another guy I used to watch back in the day

08:01:59.720 Does he still post?

08:02:06.900 One year ago? 1.00

08:02:08.820 Damn 0.98

08:02:09.220 Yeah, he hasn't posted in a year, bro 0.99

08:02:12.520 god damn who else let's uh let's check out lane norton does he still post he's got to still post 0.84

08:02:24.800 uh four days ago so he's still around 0.99

08:02:34.620 but yeah dude like it's crazy man just crazy people don't like you know

08:02:44.600 the days of uh david laid i don't he probably still post let me see here

08:02:49.900 you probably still pull let me see here

08:03:01.960 two weeks ago

08:03:04.620 yeah but he barely posts man before that he posted a year ago yeah dude fitness content is 0.99

08:03:12.380 dead bruh i hate to say it but like fitness content is fucking cooked this shit like 15 0.88

08:03:18.560 years ago was like very very popular dude but it's it's not popular anymore i don't even thurston 0.96

08:03:23.280 you guys said mike thurston i don't think he posts uh i don't think he posts fitness content 0.53

08:03:27.740 anymore i think he does like vlog shit now let's see um

08:03:35.300 the most alive city right now new york yeah so new york vlog 90 uh nine days ago 0.95

08:03:42.900 yeah so he he's he does like vlogs bro i don't really even think he does like fitness content

08:03:48.460 like that anymore you know i mean so it's like if you do fitness because i was talking i was

08:03:55.080 talking about this with um with um with awesome dunham dunham was basically telling me like you

08:04:01.900 can't do fitness by itself anymore like because it used to be like um if you oh shout out to mike

08:04:08.340 dixie thank you so much for the 20 bro like basically what's happening guys is like you

08:04:15.160 can't do fitness content by itself anymore like if you're going to do like uh fitness content it

08:04:18.960 has to be like with other shit like you have to do like vlogging or lifestyle or like you have to do

08:04:25.600 other shit with it you can't just do straight fitness content like those days are done it's

08:04:29.640 got to be hybrid yeah yeah you can't you can't do fitness content on its own anymore so um which is 0.67

08:04:36.140 crazy because like i remember bro like like 20 i would say like 2009 to like 2016 2017 was like

08:04:48.220 the era like that was the peak fitness era it was like a good like 10-year run like a really

08:04:55.660 good 10-year run but like after that bro just it's it's trash like i don't even know who the

08:05:00.580 new fitness guys are nowadays i don't know who sam solik is i've never heard of him in my life

08:05:11.020 uh probably maybe the one of the new new school people i don't know

08:05:14.700 never heard of this guy in my life

08:05:18.280 uh five million

08:05:27.940 yeah so like you look at the views like the views aren't

08:05:34.140 yeah the views aren't even like

08:05:36.680 comparative to the to the subscriber count 0.87

08:05:40.720 bro has like five million views how's he only getting 23k views on on vlogs and shit 0.96

08:05:44.680 you know 0.88

08:05:47.400 yeah no i've never heard of this guy i'll be honest with y'all

08:05:52.100 but then again like i don't you know i don't um keep up with um

08:05:57.660 i don't keep up with fitness content anymore you know i mean i look at it like it's kind

08:06:05.080 of a dead genre now unfortunately

08:06:06.240 so um

08:06:12.100 that funeral looks like the rod store at copacabana r.i.p rich piano yeah definitely

08:06:22.060 r.i.p to rich piano rich piano the thing i liked about rich piano is that he was one of the few

08:06:26.500 um fitness guys influencers that like admitted he was on on gear bro when rich piano was admitting

08:06:33.860 that he was on steroids no one would admit it now the meta is to admit that you're on drugs

08:06:40.140 okay the meta now is to admit that you're on drugs but before dude like from 2010 to like 2020

08:06:49.000 like that 10-year mark right there like nobody admitted they were on drugs bro ever it was like 0.98

08:06:55.520 a career killer for you if you ever admitted you were on uh gear gymshark would would fucking you 0.97

08:07:01.860 gymshark would uh drop you um you know any of these companies that you were sponsored by would 0.99

08:07:07.400 drop you optimum nutrition whatever like if you had if you were on gear and you admitted it cooked

08:07:12.560 bro absolutely cooked now let's see what uh let's jump in here with tim prevent people from from

08:07:19.100 using the straight or moves oh shit i think the u.s is is probably in a pretty good position to

08:07:23.380 continue preventing that so long as as you know as long as the the military is in the in the area

08:07:30.620 um and i think these strikes are probably going to continue for a while i was just reading about

08:07:35.060 this there were three the three merchant ships that got hit there's a qatari merchant ship

08:07:39.220 a uh liquefied natural gas tanker uh a saudi arabian crude oil super tanker i'm saying quick

08:07:45.660 pitch i'll be right back and an unidentified tanker you know and to that point like the other

08:07:50.360 arab states they should be stepping up and saying look this is this is iran you know actually 0.57

08:07:55.900 declaring war on us right like the saudis have no love for iran at all iran is the the country

08:08:02.400 that destabilizes the whole region you know like the saudis in iran had you know whether it be 0.62

08:08:08.660 because of the shia sunni issue or whatever they all really have a problem with iran because iran

08:08:16.920 is the the you know they're the ones that are funding the houthis and the houthis were fighting

08:08:21.200 um they were fighting saudi arabia iran's funding hezbollah and hamas like iran has been

08:08:26.980 doing all sorts of taking all sorts of actions to fund terrorist organizations or militias that

08:08:33.060 cause that just wreak havoc throughout the whole region i don't know why i'm thinking about turkey

08:08:37.260 and we it's not this story there is another story i'm thinking about like american dominance in the

08:08:42.880 region how trump's over there removing sanctions from the turks because the russians in order to

08:08:47.500 get through the black sea now that they have crimea and they have sebastopol they need to go

08:08:50.760 through turkey they need to go through istanbul that that constantinople they need to get through 0.81

08:08:54.920 the bosphorus strait so turkey's in nato so america wants to strengthen its ties with turkey

08:09:00.120 so that they don't strengthen ties with russia and then because netanyahu is like that's a bad

08:09:05.320 idea trump trump's talking about giving like f-35s or some some jet to the turks and netanyahu's like

08:09:09.880 i wouldn't do that that will change the power balance in the region we shouldn't do that we

08:09:13.000 should we don't i don't care what netanyahu has to say about it i generally don't but i think the

08:09:16.840 reason we're in this war with iran is because of what netanyahu said about it so i think that it

08:09:21.080 it has to do with a lot more I think it's far more broad I think that it has

08:09:25.880 to do with was way more than sorry it's all up like I like I wrote a piece on

08:09:31.340 my on my patreon a couple willing actually right day yeah a little bit the

08:09:35.240 day after I can read to the day that the strikes happened I started right I wrote

08:09:43.220 peace I was talking about you know it's it's really about China and about trying

08:09:46.800 to you know change the geopolitical um situation with the belt and road initiative yeah regarding

08:09:54.240 china yeah you know that's what venezuela was was largely about that's what the the argument over

08:09:59.540 the um the what's it called the so um saying right here rerum says a u.s military official

08:10:06.540 said the airstrikes against iran would go on for a while focus on a series of iranian military

08:10:10.680 targets the official did not disclose what types of targets were being hit but in strikes last

08:10:15.080 month u.s forces hit iranian coastal radar sites as well as missile and drone storage locations

08:10:19.600 that's from the new york times um also i saw jackson nickel reported that um uh iran has

08:10:25.960 launched missiles at um u.s vessels so oh man uh let's see here secretary of war px is currently

08:10:34.920 attending a nato summit in ankara will travel to israel tomorrow um democratic nominee for

08:10:41.000 senate in maine oh no hold on let's see here what else we got

08:10:45.080 Israel airstrikes against

08:10:48.840 Nabatea. Okay, yeah, they're striking

08:10:50.340 Lebanon. The UAE 0.99

08:10:53.040 possibly transported military equipment to the

08:10:54.900 Democratic Republic of the Congo in late June.

08:10:56.720 UAE's military assisted DRC. Whoa, are we surprised,

08:10:58.940 bro? These niggas always assist these African countries, 1.00

08:11:01.100 these African warlords. U.S. airstrikes 1.00

08:11:03.060 against Sirik.

08:11:07.300 Yep, airstrikes in

08:11:08.860 Lebanon.

08:11:10.500 So basically, the U.S. struck Iran and

08:11:12.800 Israel struck Lebanon.

08:11:15.080 probably coronated 0.76

08:11:18.940 is it Bandar Abbas

08:11:21.040 in southern Iran 1.00

08:11:24.020 this is right on the Shredder Hamous 1.00

08:11:26.240 by the way 0.89

08:11:27.580 oh shiz

08:11:45.080 All right, man. 1.00

08:12:13.800 Lots of shit going on. 1.00

08:12:19.400 Let's see what else is going on on Twitter. 1.00

08:12:34.600 Yeah, wasn't there shit at like 4K before? 0.98

08:12:37.360 Now it's down to three? 1.00

08:12:38.780 Fucking retards. 1.00

08:12:41.360 Much deserved. 1.00

08:12:43.800 Um, let's see here.

08:12:46.420 What else do we got?

08:12:47.140 Oh, yeah.

08:12:47.400 This is you guys cooking them in there.

08:12:51.340 Who's in there?

08:12:52.080 Look, let's look and see who's in there now.

08:12:55.940 Yeah, bro. 1.00

08:12:56.580 Fucking, fucking retarded, dude. 1.00

08:12:58.640 It was probably, she's claiming that she's not the one that did it. 1.00

08:13:00.980 It was maybe this faggot. 1.00

08:13:02.340 But either way, dude, it's fucking annoying. 1.00

08:13:03.760 Fuck these people, bro. 1.00

08:13:06.000 It's like, I'm doing them a huge favor by even going in there. 1.00

08:13:09.960 Like, one thing I realized is like, Twitter is not fucking real. 0.96

08:13:13.280 Okay? 0.79

08:13:13.800 like it's not real at all like it's very hard to like import your audience from twitter to like a

08:13:21.240 like a video-based platform you know like being big on twitter does not translate over

08:13:26.920 to being big on youtube unfortunately or being like a streamer but if you're a big streamer

08:13:32.920 and you fucking jump on and do uh do a space or something like that it translates back 0.73

08:13:38.980 so uh let's see everyone's foreign mystery says washington has breached the article 10 of the 0.98

08:13:46.580 mou and the mystery deepening tonight power outage is hitting bahrain and kuwait yeah 0.79

08:13:51.080 yep yep yep they're definitely losing um the thing jewishness like randy fine have taken 0.95

08:13:57.840 our government's hostage uh to uh genocide gaza and nuke iran the rain is coming to a close look 0.98

08:14:03.220 for it's returning to a free America. 0.56

08:14:06.980 Breaking news,

08:14:07.800 Erdogan is prepared to join forces

08:14:09.080 with Iran against our country and Israel. 1.00

08:14:13.900 All right, bro. 1.00

08:14:15.280 It's a fucking retarded Jew, bro. 1.00

08:14:17.860 All right, let's see. 1.00

08:14:18.660 We got a lot of fucking news going on right now. 0.99

08:14:21.880 Let's go ahead. 0.99

08:14:26.200 Let's cover...

08:14:32.000 Let's see what the latest is

08:14:33.120 with the war is there anything here okay i know jackson reported something a second ago i saw it

08:14:53.080 my feed uh oh the funeral's not done yet yeah um jackson ankles in iran by the way uh new or

08:15:08.340 new iran just launched uh anti-ship missiles against u.s navy ships in the persian gulf

08:15:13.120 11 minutes ago and he's in iran so just look at how many gulf states are

08:15:21.920 allying with the Epstein Coalition.

08:15:25.480 Interesting. 0.97

08:15:27.200 That's why they get bombed.

08:15:37.460 Okay.

08:15:38.900 Some more footage here.

08:15:44.340 Holy.

08:15:46.080 These are very significant strikes.

08:15:51.920 That's crazy work, man.

08:16:09.280 Okay, um.

08:16:10.780 i definitely want to cover trump's visit uh to turkey as well um 0.67

08:16:26.560 we got a lot of shit to cover man holy okay all right let me close some of these tabs

08:16:33.160 oh uh i want to read this as well this is pretty good analysis here 0.97

08:16:37.420 and has to do with the um the conflict uh it goes moments ago united states revoked uh revoked the

08:16:45.440 general license that lifted sanctions on iran oil the significance of this move cannot be overstated

08:16:50.160 it is a complete destruction of the mou between the united states and iran so basically the u.s

08:16:54.160 like completely lifted sanctions on the oil which means like they don't care two things need to be

08:17:00.700 highlighted right off the bat here one washington had justification for doing this after iran struck

08:17:04.840 multiple vessels across the train of moves via the Omani route in the last 24 hours. 1.00

08:17:09.120 Two, this was an incredibly stupid move from Washington. 0.98

08:17:14.000 Something I've highlighted since its original issuance on June 21st 0.99

08:17:17.920 is the general license X is more politically damaging for President Trump

08:17:24.200 than it is economically game-changing for Iran.

08:17:26.960 While it likely could have resulted in a windfall of about $1 billion for Tehran

08:17:32.120 over the course of the initial 60 days,

08:17:34.160 this is likely really inconsequential when compared to the massive damage their country

08:17:38.020 has seen throughout the war and that political damage for trump it already happened you can't

08:17:43.060 put that genie back in a bottle he's already taken those blows the oil sanction waivers were the only

08:17:47.900 notable upfront concession that iran received for the joint lifting of blockades in the schrader

08:17:53.260 moose the frozen assets being released is orders of magnitude more important for iran but as of yet

08:17:59.260 not a penny has moved this has been repeatedly confirmed by both the iranians and the americans

08:18:04.500 What this revocation does accomplish is a complete and total destruction of the MOU

08:18:07.740 between the United States and Iran.

08:18:10.180 This is far more detrimental to negotiations and permanent cessation of hostilities

08:18:15.600 than a tit-for-tat response to the vessel strikes by Washington.

08:18:19.760 This destroys the MOU.

08:18:20.900 Did Washington have some justification for moping this waiver?

08:18:24.420 Absolutely.

08:18:24.800 Is this a catastrophic move for securing and enduring cessation of hostilities

08:18:29.240 between the U.S. and Iran?

08:18:30.240 Absolutely. 0.56

08:18:33.540 Yeah.

08:18:35.580 Yeah, this is just bad.

08:18:43.660 Yeah.

08:18:45.340 Yeah, this is going to hurt Trump politically for sure. 0.99

08:18:49.220 For fucking sure, dude. 0.99

08:18:51.500 For sure. 0.99

08:18:53.720 So,

08:18:54.560 and yeah, Joe Kent said the MOU is effectively dead.

08:19:02.340 Yep.

08:19:03.540 so put two hours ago leave dubai now yeah i ain't gonna lie bro if i was in the gulf states i'd be

08:19:16.620 leaving right now yo anybody that's watching dude if you live in qatar kuwait bahrain the uae 0.88

08:19:26.400 oman saudi arabia any of you guys watching from the gulf i'm dead ass i'm not even trying to be 0.89

08:19:33.180 hyperbolic i would leave i would actually i would genuinely leave and even if nothing happens it 0.91

08:19:38.780 doesn't matter at least you didn't take a chance i would get on a flight now and leave dude 0.93

08:19:43.500 book a one-way get out come back if it's safe someone said bro i can't leave all right nigga 0.99

08:19:51.460 well you're you're cooked i will get the fuck out like because here's the thing with these 0.99

08:19:57.800 golf states bro you can go you got a strong passport you can go wherever yeah like a lot 1.00

08:20:02.380 these gulf states you go you can go to a lot of different countries dude i would get the fuck out 0.86

08:20:05.720 if i was you bro uh my please react to this uh resetting body count trend going very viral very 0.89

08:20:14.140 viral if i do does that my uh if i do that does my torta count reset to zero no i gotta live with

08:20:21.780 the shame okay mr fernand thank you for the gifted brawley gains you want these do these

08:20:35.020 you mad bro says chess bronzes um both die in thailand yeah man

08:20:41.360 uh thoughts on jack's ankle chanting down to america to a crowd in a run 0.97

08:20:48.480 uh no comment uh don't know if you saw ice agent shot dead a man in Houston for a time to run them

08:20:55.500 over yeah that's what they were discussing before I can I can cover that as well um 0.95

08:21:00.100 let me see here what the fuck is this 0.99

08:21:05.880 what is this AI shit you sent me bro I think I sent me some AI shit I think there's the wrong 1.00

08:21:15.980 link dude um 0.99

08:21:31.580 no video is currently unavailable

08:21:45.980 yeah Z's died in Thailand as well

08:21:49.480 so Conor 1.00

08:21:52.020 alright there I'm caught up

08:22:11.040 doesn't work bro

08:22:12.120 Like I got this link that you get

08:22:20.080 Oh, hold on 0.99

08:22:20.800 What the fuck 0.98

08:22:21.400 Yeah, I don't think this link works, dude 0.99

08:22:26.360 That you try to get me

08:22:27.240 I'll try to open it, but

08:22:34.980 Let me see if it opens this time

08:22:42.120 doesn't work bro

08:22:45.420 um let's see what we got here

08:23:05.900 yeah this is nuts man

08:23:07.180 all right let me uh okay so this is what we'll do we'll cover uh we'll cover

08:23:12.780 connor uh we'll cover connor uh murphy

08:23:16.380 we'll cover turkey

08:23:20.020 we'll keep this up so we can keep the news going on

08:23:35.300 um

08:23:37.180 Oh, I got this House of Horrors thing as well.

08:23:43.840 Let me see here.

08:23:44.940 Ice.

08:23:49.280 We'll type in Ice Shooting Houston.

08:24:00.100 We begin at three with breaking.

08:24:03.960 So we'll cover that.

08:24:07.180 um

08:24:15.820 all right okay let me uh

08:24:37.180 I'm going to turn the YouTube and the,

08:24:39.820 because it's normally when I go live anyway.

08:24:42.280 I'm going to turn the YouTube and the, what's it called?

08:24:45.020 TikTok back on.

08:24:45.880 We'll go on for a little bit.

08:24:47.960 So give me one second and just.

08:24:56.040 Let me. 0.98

08:25:07.180 oh shit okay george gammon let's listen to this real quick 0.99

08:25:22.420 and i was asking you to explain to me what the hell happened to the price of oil 0.99

08:25:26.960 and you started giving that explanation and i'm like stop stop stop let's go live because i think

08:25:31.800 the audience would love to hear it so can you can you start over again sure well first of all i don't

08:25:37.580 know that anyone knows for sure uh but what happened is oil got up to what was it 120 or so

08:25:43.100 when they closed the straits and everyone thought that it was going to 150 200 and instead it went

08:25:49.380 the other direction uh to the point where now it's it's uh i think it's trading with the 6 60s

08:25:55.980 And so I think that everyone talks about the supply side of the equation, which I think is relevant, right?

08:26:04.140 You've got this.

08:26:04.720 Sorry, Brent, just picked up again.

08:26:08.420 Sorry, literally a few seconds ago, news came in.

08:26:11.080 Oil prices rose more than 3% after the U.S. announced it would revoke the license authorizing Iranian oil sales, raising concerns of a tight global supply.

08:26:19.620 Brent crude and U.S. WTI both climbed by over 3% following the announcement.

08:26:23.760 that just came in so i thought it was worth interrupting you for it because the time for

08:26:27.560 sure so you they're talking about tight supply so then you ask the question okay well then how

08:26:31.980 was oil trading in the 60s right when it was 120 just a couple months ago and so everyone looks at

08:26:37.740 this as though it's just completely and totally baffling because they strictly look at the supply

08:26:42.220 side of the equation but i think the bigger story although it's not the only story but i think a

08:26:47.020 bigger story may be the demand side and maybe why we didn't see oil go to 150 why we didn't see oil

08:26:52.840 go to 200 even though according to this we still have tight supply and why we're seeing it down

08:26:57.820 the 60s is because the demand is extremely low which would imply we're having a global economic

08:27:04.500 slowdown now china as you pointed out have just i mean they stopped buying so you got to ask why

08:27:12.260 i mean is there some strategic move there maybe but maybe not maybe it's just they don't uh have

08:27:18.740 the need for as much oil as they did a few months ago because they're continuing this slide

08:27:24.100 interesting um

08:27:27.600 all right let's go um hold on one second and just

08:27:35.700 yeah we got a lot of uh stuff going on right now

08:27:43.800 busy busy day chat busy busy day so um let's see here

08:27:54.040 we've got a lot of stuff going on okay

08:28:00.940 then you know what i also we're so we're going to cover connor murphy uh

08:28:09.520 Trump in Turkey.

08:28:13.800 We're going to talk about the House of Horrors.

08:28:17.080 ICE agents

08:28:17.840 shooting.

08:28:25.560 So.

08:28:35.780 So.

08:28:39.520 so i'm gonna just titling everything for you guys right now okay boom boom all right

08:28:45.940 let's go ahead we'll start with um let's start with this story and then we'll kind of work our

08:28:52.280 way um backwards because um obviously lots of stuff have just happened over the past

08:28:58.120 few hours we covered the charlie kirk stuff i was gonna get off man but like

08:29:02.580 man it is what it is we're here now boys we're here now so uh let's start with um

08:29:10.020 we'll start with this news from the ice gets into a shooting magnolia park neighborhood a man shot

08:29:18.320 in the stomach with ice agents and federal investigators on scene within the last few

08:29:24.100 moments we've confirmed that man has died let's show you where this is oh okay so he passed away

08:29:30.240 that's going to make it a lot tougher. Happening at the intersection of Canal

08:29:33.760 Street and Highway 90. KPRC2's Bryce Newberry is there working to gather the

08:29:38.900 latest. Bryce, what have you learned? Andy, federal agents just left Canal

08:29:45.540 Street here in the last 30 minutes or so. They had been on this scene for about

08:29:49.860 eight hours as we have just confirmed through an ICE spokesperson that an ICE

08:29:54.400 agent opened fire and killed a Mexican national here on this street just before

08:29:59.520 7 o'clock this morning. What ICE is telling us this afternoon is that enforcement officers were

08:30:04.600 out here attempting to pull over that Mexican national. He's been identified by ICE as Lorenzo

08:30:09.800 Salgado Araujo, and according to ICE, when they tried to stop him, he refused to stop.

08:30:15.520 ICE says from the information that they are getting, he then used his vehicle in an attempt

08:30:21.440 to ram the ICE officers who were out here. He then did not follow verbal commands, according to ICE.

08:30:28.260 i'll tell you guys this if i wasn't in miami i would be at the houston field office that was

08:30:32.940 my number one pick when i was leaving laredo was to go to houston so fun fact for y'all i would

08:30:40.040 have probably been in houston if it wasn't for me being here in miami and then also i um another

08:30:45.200 funny story i was um hsi dallas picked me but i had already told miami yes they call me a day late

08:30:54.100 because a couple of officers had offered me a position.

08:31:00.720 And, yeah, I missed Dallas by a day.

08:31:04.560 That was my second choice.

08:31:05.440 I didn't get it, so I ended up going to Miami.

08:31:07.340 That is when, according to ICE, he tried to run.

08:31:11.120 And the reason why Houston was my number one option

08:31:12.920 was because the COLA in Houston is very good.

08:31:17.040 The cost of living allowance is very high

08:31:18.660 compared to how much you make there.

08:31:20.460 So it's a fantastic ratio.

08:31:22.360 to be a fed out there run over the agents who were out here attempting to pull him over

08:31:28.800 ice says that an agent then opened fire the man salgado arajo got rushed to bentob hospital

08:31:36.120 according to the houston fire department we're told that he was taken there with cpr in progress

08:31:41.960 and then we have just learned from ice this afternoon that he died there at the hospital

08:31:48.000 there's still a lot of questions here we have not seen any video of this incident but we saw

08:31:54.160 that the fbi houston's evidence response team came to process this scene again those federal

08:31:59.720 agents have been here for about the last eight hours um it's probably going to be if i had to

08:32:05.180 guess it's probably going to be the texas rangers um that handled the case um at least that's what

08:32:12.500 I think that that just makes the most sense.

08:32:17.400 Typically, the DPS will handle other law enforcement shootings.

08:32:21.860 So and the Texas Rangers are a part of DPS.

08:32:26.400 Today, we have reached out to the mayor's office to get any additional information.

08:32:31.260 Houston police officers were here on the scene also holding the perimeter.

08:32:35.360 we did see a white van that got loaded onto a wrecker as part of this investigation

08:32:41.300 uh and then hauled away from here this afternoon uh a lot of reaction coming in from the community

08:32:48.480 while the police tape was up out here we did yeah kazi says uh this is the proper link to it

08:32:52.860 all right i'll take a look uh i probably won't be able to react to it on tiktok though i'll be

08:32:57.640 honest with you because uh we're alive on tiktok but i'll just get off um and then i'll react to

08:33:02.640 because TikTok is horrible when it comes to anything red pill related bro you can't say

08:33:07.480 anything on there it's whack so did see a lot of those neighbors coming they had seen on social

08:33:14.840 media what happened a lot of them upset my colleague Joy Addison is just down the road

08:33:20.360 here on the other side of where this scene has cleared she's been speaking with those neighbors

08:33:24.240 throughout the day Joy what are they telling you yeah well I've been out here trying to speak with

08:33:29.120 neighbors and figure out exactly what happened.

08:33:31.740 What I've been able to piece together so far is that whatever interaction

08:33:35.680 happened between four men that were in a van headed to work, picking up

08:33:39.840 somewhere, someone on this street happened right over here in front of

08:33:44.140 this business and home right here.

08:33:46.540 Now I'm told by the stepdaughter of one of the men that was in that

08:33:50.960 vehicle that they stopped to pick up a coworker and that they had

08:33:54.580 suspicions that ice was behind them. Upon arriving at a home on this street, one of these addresses

08:34:00.980 here behind me, the men had some type of interaction with ice, and during that interaction, Lorenzo

08:34:07.080 Salgado was shot. Video from our media partner Grizzly's Hood News shows that man lying on the

08:34:13.620 ground screaming. He was later taken to Bentob Hospital. Now, when I was able to speak with the

08:34:19.300 stepdaughter of one of the men who was in the car. She said that she and her mother were made

08:34:24.620 aware of what happened due to some social media video that had been floating around TikTok. They

08:34:30.880 saw on that video the co-worker of her stepdad, Mr. Salgado, laying on the ground, bleeding and

08:34:38.500 begging for help. Like I said, that is the same video that was posted by our media partner,

08:34:43.580 Grizzly's Hood News. Now, as you heard my colleague Bryce Newberry say, the man who was

08:34:48.880 shot. His last name is Lorenzo Salgado Arugio, who has now died at the hospital.

08:34:55.480 Montserrat left here with her stepdad after I spoke, excuse me, she left here looking for her

08:35:00.940 stepdad after I spoke with her earlier. We haven't been able to confirm that he's in custody. What

08:35:06.540 she's been told from a very brief phone call is that he and the two other men that were in the car,

08:35:12.540 not the man that was shot. So three men were taken into custody and then the man that was shot

08:35:17.700 was taken to Bentob Hospital and later pronounced dead.

08:35:21.440 This is a developing story, and as we get more information,

08:35:24.540 we'll bring it to you right here on KPRC 2 News.

08:35:29.780 Oh, man.

08:35:32.560 Okay, real quick, because this came out literally 23 minutes ago.

08:35:37.460 Let's click this, the latest with the U.S.-Iran war.

08:35:41.320 It's developing as we speak, guys.

08:35:43.000 They're bombing Iran as we speak right now,

08:35:44.800 so we're going to be going back and forth.

08:35:46.160 this is going to be one of those like dynamic news nights okay guys we're going to be

08:35:49.660 going back and forth expect following those iranian strikes on commercial vessels the u.s

08:35:56.340 has had a very powerful response attacking bombing and i'll go ahead and give you guys a

08:36:02.620 quick summarization of this conflict if you guys want i know we have a lot of people that might be

08:36:06.480 new here so uh yeah ron once more central command posting this out just within the last couple hours

08:36:12.560 saying central command forces have begun launching a series of powerful strikes against Iran to impose heavy costs for targeting,

08:36:19.120 attacking commercial shipping crewed by innocent civilians in that international waterway.

08:36:24.040 The U.S. strikes are in response to Iran attacks on three commercial ships. 0.57

08:36:28.240 Iran's demonstrated aggression as unwarranted, dangerous, and a clear violation of the C Spire. 0.57

08:36:34.040 And these might be different.

08:36:35.440 Mark Meredith posting this saying from Liz Frieden saying U.S. officials telling Fox News that these

08:36:40.880 strikes tonight are significantly larger than the strikes carried out last month saying these are

08:36:45.720 meant to send a signal that is attacking commercial ships is unacceptable the official said. Let's be

08:36:51.600 joined right now by national security reporter for the New York Post Caitlin Dornbos. Caitlin thank

08:36:56.840 you so much for joining us and we talk about these new round of powerful strikes in response.

08:37:03.280 how long could they last? Right, so they're underway now. They are targeting areas around

08:37:10.320 the Strait of Hormuz, so the coastal lines, and that's very similar to previous strikes that we've

08:37:15.540 seen before the U.S. has taken in retaliation for Iranian aggression over this period. However,

08:37:22.400 what does make them different, as your reporter had mentioned, was that the scale was quite larger.

08:37:28.060 They're really wanting to put a big punch on top of this to really emphasize that the U.S. isn't messing around and that this was a violation of the U.S.-Iran Memorandum of Understanding.

08:37:40.920 Well, we violated her first, but I digress. We'll cover that in a little bit more detail here in a second.

08:37:47.740 Of course.

08:37:48.400 And once I get some more people in here from YouTube and from TikTok, I'll go ahead and give you guys a quick little primer on what's really going on here.

08:37:54.980 Iran is arguing that the strikes are in violation of that MOU, and really we're just at this kind of standstill looking to see what's going to happen this weekend, whether those talks are really capable of continuing.

08:38:08.760 Yeah, potentially sending that signal as Mark Meredith and our Fox News team was reporting.

08:38:14.200 Does this put the MOU, the Memorandum of Understanding, the ceasefire in peril?

08:38:19.180 Oh, no, it's cooked.

08:38:21.060 Not even in peril. It's done. It's a wrap.

08:38:24.980 you know i think just stand alone with the strikes maybe not but we also have to talk

08:38:34.500 about major people but it's not a standalone they also pulled away they already they also

08:38:38.580 pulled the waiver off the iranian oil so news today with the treasury department that well

08:38:45.420 the waiver on iranian sanctions on oil announcing that it had rescinded that wave of iranian oil

08:38:52.740 sanctions that was allowing

08:38:55.060 Iran to sell its oil

08:38:56.880 at market price

08:38:58.980 and gaining roughly

08:39:00.860 $10 billion

08:39:02.640 a month in

08:39:04.940 oil sales through that. So

08:39:06.680 now

08:39:07.880 with the U.S. targeting

08:39:11.100 Iran economically, with

08:39:12.980 that lift of the sanctions, that was a

08:39:14.820 major 0.91

08:39:15.560 thing that brought Iran... 1.00

08:39:18.700 Hey, Sneeko, thank you. Appreciate you, my friend. 1.00

08:39:20.960 shout out to all the uh love speech ninjas in here welcome welcome welcome you guys came at

08:39:26.200 a perfect time actually you guys came at a very very good time we're covering um

08:39:31.460 we're covering the iran war as you guys know the united states initiated by doing making strikes

08:39:37.900 once again um we're talking about conor murphy uh apparently just passed away in thailand

08:39:44.340 we're covering uh trump's talk talks in turkey with erdogan um we covered an ice shooting in

08:39:52.380 houston so uh you guys came in a very very good time shout out to all you ninjas in here

08:39:56.660 welcome to the stream welcome to the stream welcome to the stream so

08:40:00.060 yeah we're going to be doing all the breaking news on uh on a rotten us we're going to talk

08:40:06.900 about connor murphy here um and then we're going to be also talking about the 16 kids that were

08:40:10.980 found in a house of horrors in houston so um and i'll probably do a review real quick also of um

08:40:16.800 of the charlie kirk hearing day two so onto the table in addition to these amplified strikes

08:40:25.920 it's tense it's tense to say the least and you brought up the u.s not allowing and putting back

08:40:33.060 in place reinstating these sanctions that have been placed since the late 1970s is that in the

08:40:39.760 Iranians' eyes breaking the MOU? Could we see an escalating retaliation even further than we did

08:40:46.240 last month? Right, exactly. I mean, I thought that alone, I was surprised when the U.S. Central

08:40:53.600 Command also announced strikes because hitting them in both of these ways is a really strong

08:40:58.960 message to send. And really, that was the biggest driver in getting Iran to come to the table to do 0.97

08:41:06.420 negotiations because Iran has been put in such a detrimental economic standard from those years

08:41:13.280 and years and decades, really, of those sanctions on top of the months-long blockade that the U.S.

08:41:19.180 had on Iranian ports that was lifted as part of the MOU. Now, we haven't heard anything about that

08:41:25.240 blockade being put back into place, but a U.S. official told me just as recently as this week

08:41:30.240 that that remains a possibility if at any point the U.S. feels that the MOU and the negotiations

08:41:37.860 aren't making enough progress. Would that be the next point of escalation, that blockade? Would

08:41:44.160 that be the next step for the U.S. potentially? I think it certainly could be. It is an option

08:41:50.200 at their disposal. I think that they're going to want to try all levers before they withdraw

08:41:56.980 from the talks that have been achieved through the memorandum of understanding, but there's also

08:42:03.100 a number of other actions that they can take. And it's certainly faster, easier, swifter to

08:42:09.660 send a message with the kinds of strikes that we're seeing tonight, rather than kind of the

08:42:14.440 lengthy process that it would take to reestablish a blockade, which would be, you know, very much

08:42:21.540 fought by the Iranians. But in this middle period, what we really have to do is be on edge to be 0.90

08:42:27.480 watching how Iran is going to respond, because I imagine it's going to be responding kinetically.

08:42:34.140 It's going to be launching some kind of attacks because Iran isn't just going to say, oops,

08:42:39.520 our bad, and let's continue on with the negotiations. Yeah, this far from over and

08:42:44.720 this significantly larger in response by the United States. I do want to ask you about the

08:42:48.940 timing of all of this? Because even if the memorandum of understanding continues to be in

08:42:53.380 place, the clock is ticking on this negotiating window of 60 days. How does this complicate it?

08:43:01.480 Will they still be able to come to the table despite this back and forth?

08:43:05.940 Yeah, that's really the key issue here. I'm glad you brought that up because

08:43:09.820 the negotiations were set for a 60-day period from when that MOU was signed last month. So

08:43:16.620 that would have brought us down and into you know just a really a matter of weeks all right let's

08:43:25.340 talk about this uh this situation right so as you guys know right this war started on well it started

08:43:31.360 a long time ago started with october 7 but we're just for the purpose of this discussion um this

08:43:37.140 conflict really started on um between the united states and iran at least when the iran was fully

08:43:43.120 brought in or when it was a full-on conflict first it started in june of last year with the 12-day

08:43:48.500 war and then uh hostilities you know pretty much stopped the stop um and iran knew from back then

08:43:55.340 that the u.s is going to strike again it was just a matter of time uh that the u.s and israel were

08:44:00.740 going to rearm get their interceptor missiles and basically go ahead and have um have the abilities

08:44:06.680 to fight Iran and be able to defend themselves, right? 0.67

08:44:10.660 Now, Iran, knowing this, purchased weapons from China, 0.69

08:44:15.520 got some resources from China, stockpiled a bunch of drones,

08:44:18.980 stockpiled a bunch of air defense, stockpiled a bunch of their ballistic missiles.

08:44:24.180 And they knew that at some point the United States has no problem

08:44:28.380 with attacking while in the middle of negotiations.

08:44:30.980 so what happened was when before the supreme leader ali khamenei died what he did was he

08:44:38.940 basically made it where he increased the power of their decentralized response okay so the iranians

08:44:46.140 practice something called the mosaic defense the mosaic defense guys is a decentralized

08:44:50.520 military structure where if something happens where the leader is killed the iranians are still

08:44:58.680 able to mount what's called a second response okay they have what's called second strike

08:45:03.220 capability okay because since they don't really start start attack first they know more than

08:45:11.080 likely in any type of conflict they're going to be attacked first by the united states or by israel

08:45:14.720 so they always reserve the ability and skill set right to have a second straight capability no

08:45:22.720 matter how hard they're hit and the way they do this is by practicing the mosaic defense where

08:45:26.820 you have a decentralized military, where you have 31 different provinces of the IRGC that have their

08:45:33.160 independent orders and structure and command, where even if their leaders are killed, they know what

08:45:40.460 to do. Now, when the 12-day war happened last time, right, if you guys remember, Iran got caught with

08:45:47.540 their pants down, okay? They're in the middle of negotiations with the United States. They got

08:45:52.740 struck, Mossad operatives were behind enemy lines, they used drones, they destroyed air defense,

08:45:58.100 and this allowed the opening that the Israelis needed to come in and start bombing the halal 0.52

08:46:02.220 to Iran, okay? And they also had a bunch of strikes, drones, because the Mossad operatives

08:46:08.540 that were in Iran, they smuggled the parts into Iran, built the drones in-country, and then used

08:46:15.000 it to kill several generals, several high-ranking IRGC officials. And they did it with, like,

08:46:22.000 you know pinpoint accuracy they knew exactly where they were they shot the drones right at

08:46:25.900 their apartment blew up a corner of the apartment carpet apartment stays intact but the apartment

08:46:29.840 that they're that unit there they were targeting gets hit right so iran learned okay we had to beef

08:46:38.400 up our uh our ability to respond and then on top of that we need to have a more um decisive manner

08:46:44.920 and response where if we are attacked we're able to mount a response immediately now if you guys

08:46:49.360 remember when it came to the 12-day war of June of last year, what happened was when the Iranians

08:46:52.560 got attacked, they weren't able to mount an attack back for several hours. And the reason why is 1.00

08:46:57.660 because the Israelis basically hit them so hard in the beginning that they weren't able to get

08:47:03.340 themselves organized, centralized, and then retaliate. They weren't able to do it quick

08:47:07.960 enough. Now, within 24 hours, they were able to attack, but the attack wasn't as quickly as they

08:47:13.580 wanted so that's something that they fixed on this go-round so after the 12-day war and they

08:47:20.340 you know learn from their mistakes and they rearmed and everything else like that

08:47:23.360 the united states attacks them on february 28th as you guys know when they attacked them on february

08:47:30.020 28th within one hour right the the iranians were hand israel hand the u.s bases etc now trump's

08:47:39.720 mistake is that he thought and this is what i got kicked out of the space for because i was cooking

08:47:42.580 on this, Trump thought he was going to be able to get the country to collapse, have

08:47:47.720 them capitulate, get control of the oil, kill all the leadership within 96 hours.

08:47:52.540 That's what he was shooting for, okay? 0.97

08:47:54.760 And him and Netanyahu thought if they were able to kill the leadership quickly enough,

08:47:59.220 right, they would not be able to mount a response and they wouldn't be able to set

08:48:03.380 down a straight, right?

08:48:04.240 Like, they wouldn't even be able to mount a response, let alone be able to set down

08:48:06.460 a straight.

08:48:07.100 They were very wrong about that.

08:48:08.480 Within one hour, missiles were flying towards all our bases and towards Israel because Ali Khamenei, before he died, issued out all the orders. 0.52

08:48:18.800 And that's how they were able to mount a response so quickly.

08:48:20.640 Within one hour, Marco Rubio admitted himself, within one hour, they're hitting us back, which is unheard of, right?

08:48:25.240 That's incredible response time.

08:48:27.120 After the type of attack that Iran suffered on February 28th, where your supreme leader and several members of the top echelons of government get killed on one strike, right?

08:48:37.100 now the other thing also that people need to understand is that the iranians warned yo 0.93

08:48:41.680 if you attack us we're going to hit all these bases in the gulf we're going to hit israel back 0.91

08:48:45.660 and we're going to shut down the straighter humus they were able to do all of it now the reason why 0.99

08:48:51.100 trump underestimated the um the iranians ability to like shut down the straight is because

08:48:56.860 he didn't realize that all it takes is the ability to like hit a ship with a drone and now

08:49:05.460 no insurance company right like lloyds of london for example which is like a big one 0.89

08:49:09.320 is going to insure shit because obviously you got a bunch of merchandise on there you got a bunch of 0.63

08:49:13.640 oil in there a bunch of gas bunch of you know expensive energy no one wants to be on the hook 0.99

08:49:18.340 for um you know no cat is going to want to be on the hook for sailing through the straighter

08:49:22.740 humus with no insurance you know and then on top of that with besides the drones the iranians put

08:49:28.880 a bunch of mines all across the seafloor of the straighter humus and the seafloor guys of straighter

08:49:33.180 almost is very shallow okay u.s submarines can't even operate there so um so this is obviously

08:49:40.580 created quite a predicament for trump where the price of brand crude a barrel of brand crude right

08:49:46.100 which is the you know the national price for uh a barrel of oil shot up to like 120 130 i think the

08:49:53.380 highest was like maybe 140 150 ish right which is crazy absolutely crazy once you get it and to give

08:49:59.140 you guys like uh perspective 80 bucks and above is not good okay now what made this issue worse

08:50:06.200 was there's something called strategic oil reserves right the entire international community

08:50:12.720 dumped out like 400 million barrels or something like that of um of reserves right after the

08:50:18.480 straighter musk was closed because the straighter musk controls roughly 20 of the world's oil

08:50:21.360 right and gas a lot of uh economists energy experts geopolitical analysts they've all pretty

08:50:29.040 much agreed that we only have enough some people are saying by end of july some people are saying

08:50:34.920 by end of august but pretty much by the fall those reserves are cooked okay every expert to some

08:50:41.120 degree has they have all agreed unanimously some earlier than others but by fall we're cooked now

08:50:48.060 this led towards the current mou that we have in place now okay and the mou we have in place now

08:50:57.840 right it's a 14 point MOU

08:51:00.120 which you know obviously had

08:51:02.080 a bunch of concessions from the United

08:51:04.140 States the big

08:51:06.160 thing that you guys need to know

08:51:07.180 is that on point one of the MOU

08:51:09.840 there was supposed to be

08:51:11.980 a cessation of aggression

08:51:13.360 on all war fronts to

08:51:15.800 include Lebanon

08:51:17.540 okay that's key

08:51:19.420 and I think that Iranians 0.98

08:51:22.040 did this for multiple reasons and this is actually 1.00

08:51:24.140 what got me kicked out of the Twitter space a second ago 0.98

08:51:25.840 because I was cooking and these Israelis didn't like it 1.00

08:51:27.840 because my argument is the reason why we're in this war again

08:51:32.260 is because the Israelis refuse to end the war in Lebanon.

08:51:37.660 Now, for you guys to, for me to,

08:51:39.340 I need to kind of explain Lebanon for a second,

08:51:42.080 because what the U.S. has going on with Iran is a different thing.

08:51:46.840 But for you guys to understand the issue with Lebanon,

08:51:48.680 I kind of need to explain this for you.

08:51:49.700 So let's go ahead and pull up a map here, okay?

08:51:52.820 Kind of break this down.

08:51:53.820 So I hope you guys got your notebooks ready

08:51:57.900 because school is in session, my friends. 0.92

08:52:01.420 This is what the Israelis didn't want you guys to hear. 0.74

08:52:04.240 So as you guys can see here,

08:52:07.100 here's a map of the Middle East, right?

08:52:11.460 Now, for the purpose of this conversation,

08:52:12.980 we're going to zoom right in to our favorite state, right?

08:52:20.040 And it is Israel.

08:52:21.560 Now, ever since October 7th,

08:52:23.820 Hezbollah has been shooting rockets into northern Israel, okay?

08:52:28.340 After the United States attacked alongside Israel,

08:52:33.600 attacked and killed the supreme leader, right? 0.89

08:52:40.700 Hezbollah rejoined the army. 0.93

08:52:42.400 Sorry, Hezbollah joined the war, right? 0.55

08:52:45.220 The Israelis, in response to Hezbollah rejoining the war

08:52:48.080 because they had a ceasefire, invaded Lebanon, okay? 0.54

08:52:52.680 Now, historically speaking, the Israelis have always wanted to take the Latani River and control this area. 0.58

08:52:58.580 What they've been able to do, and they haven't been able to do this since like 2006, 0.52

08:53:02.980 is they've been able to go in and they're also fighting all around this area here.

08:53:06.960 Okay, southern Lebanon, and there's a very famous castle in southern Lebanon

08:53:11.340 that the Israelis have been fighting for control of.

08:53:14.040 Okay, it's been going back and forth.

08:53:15.580 I don't know who controls it now.

08:53:16.520 It's like every other day they're like, you know, switching possession of this thing.

08:53:22.120 But the reason why the castle is so important is because this castle has enormous historical influence.

08:53:28.160 Obviously, it was a castle that was there from the Crusader era, and it's on a hilltop.

08:53:34.080 So you're able to see a great vantage point.

08:53:38.220 You have a great vantage point from a tactical perspective, right?

08:53:40.940 So Israel and Lebanon have been fighting very hard since February, since March, excuse me, all across southern Lebanon, right?

08:53:51.880 There's lots of casualties on both sides.

08:53:53.940 Thousands of casualties on the Israel side as well as on the Hezbollah side. 0.60

08:54:00.840 Okay?

08:54:03.180 Now, Hezbollah does not want to stop fighting, and neither do the Israelis.

08:54:08.240 However, you have this MOU that's saying, yo, we want the war to end,

08:54:14.780 and in order for the war to end or the conflict to end in general, 0.82

08:54:18.000 Israel needs to leave Lebanon.

08:54:18.920 Well, Israel said no.

08:54:20.560 And they look at it like,

08:54:21.700 well, we weren't involved in these negotiations.

08:54:25.060 Why should we?

08:54:25.940 We're not going to end the war

08:54:27.240 because we haven't made it this far into Lebanon before

08:54:29.560 and we're going to keep doing what we do.

08:54:31.880 Well, there's a couple of problems here.

08:54:35.400 Okay?

08:54:36.100 Number one, 0.98

08:54:39.020 by us not being able to restrain Israel, 0.92

08:54:41.800 we have proven what everyone has always thought about the United States. 0.86

08:54:45.380 We have no power over Israel, 0.93

08:54:47.100 even though we give them all the money,

08:54:49.080 we give them support, we give them aid, we give them backup, and most importantly, we are their

08:54:53.580 insurance policy. What do I mean by we are their insurance policy? I mean that Israel knows that

08:54:59.180 if they start a war, they get into situations, or they create problems, that we are always going to

08:55:03.200 be there to back them up, okay? And we also run diplomatic cover for them. Every time the UN votes

08:55:08.640 against them, the United States is always there to cover them, okay? So in other words, the Israelis 1.00

08:55:14.480 never really deal with consequences for their poor foreign policy and that is because the United 0.87

08:55:19.240 States shields them all right is everything tracking right now give me a one in the chat

08:55:24.140 if everyone's everything's tracking right now I know we got a lot of new people in here that

08:55:28.320 might be like what is going on but I'm kind of summarizing a Middle Eastern foreign policy for

08:55:32.160 you guys I'm looking at the TikTok check because I know we got a lot of new people here too from

08:55:36.600 there all right awesome and uh smash the like button on tiktok for me guys let's get uh let's

08:55:46.020 get uh let's get it up so so the iranians know that the united states can pitch lace for israel

08:55:54.580 all the time trump talks a big game but he can't really control them so that is why they've been

08:55:59.620 insisting that they stop the war in lebanon and also another part reason why they don't they want

08:56:06.100 the war to stop in Lebanon is because 0.88

08:56:07.920 Hezbollah is their strongest 0.99

08:56:09.400 partner, okay,

08:56:12.120 in the resistance movement.

08:56:14.120 Now, you guys might be saying, Myron, what the hell is Hezbollah?

08:56:16.180 I'll quickly show you guys what this is

08:56:18.220 because I am sensitive to the fact that we have a lot

08:56:20.100 of new people in here.

08:56:21.880 Give me a five in the chat if this is your first time watching a live stream of mine.

08:56:25.560 Give me a five

08:56:26.180 if this is your first time watching.

08:56:28.860 Or first time watching me

08:56:30.040 cover Middle East stuff.

08:56:32.480 Five if this is your first time.

08:56:34.280 Alright, cool.

08:56:36.620 So here's who Israel is fighting with. 0.59

08:56:38.720 Okay, this is Hezbollah.

08:56:40.120 Now, it's important that you guys understand that Hezbollah is a paramilitary group.

08:56:43.960 They are not a state actor.

08:56:45.640 Though they have representation in the government, they are not the official Lebanese army.

08:56:49.660 Okay, or armed forces.

08:56:51.380 Now, this has created a problem for Lebanon.

08:56:53.520 Because on one end, you have the Lebanese government who kind of wants to, you know, do some type of peace treaty or some kind of deal with the Israelis.

08:57:02.260 but then you have a very popular militia group like hezbollah who fights for lebanon's sovereignty

08:57:09.680 people forget that lebanon was created back in the early 80s to fight the israelis when they

08:57:14.160 invaded hezbollah would not be a thing if it did not exist for israeli aggression in the early 80s

08:57:20.940 so they have an enormous amount of respect in the region okay um all the muslim countries and all

08:57:27.580 you know a lot of people support hezbollah because they look at it like they're one of

08:57:31.520 the people fighting against Israeli aggression. And Iran backs them. So Iran can't really afford

08:57:36.440 to have Hezbollah get destroyed. Okay? Now, this creates a problem for the Lebanese government

08:57:42.120 because with the Lebanese government, they want a ceasefire. They want to normalize relations

08:57:47.600 with Israel. But the problem is that it's very unpopular. Okay? It's very unpopular to normalize

08:57:54.900 with Israel. And also, Hezbollah will never let it happen because in order for them to normalize, 0.86

08:57:58.820 Israel's demand is you have to drop your weapons.

08:58:03.540 In other words, Hezbollah has to disarm.

08:58:05.340 They're never going to do that.

08:58:07.820 Okay?

08:58:08.820 So the government is in a difficult position because it's like, 0.79

08:58:11.480 okay, we want to normalize with Israel, but no one likes Israel. 0.62

08:58:17.280 Hezbollah has too much power politically and militarily, 0.86

08:58:20.700 and they refuse to disarm. 1.00

08:58:22.400 And then on top of that, the Israelis don't make it easy 0.71

08:58:24.220 because they're invading Lebanon. 0.52

08:58:26.020 So you see where the Lebanese government is having problems here.

08:58:28.820 So they sat down with the Israelis like a week and a half ago,

08:58:31.480 the Lebanese government, right?

08:58:34.060 And they came up with an MOU.

08:58:36.680 People started protesting all across Lebanon. 0.99

08:58:39.160 People went to the fucking prime minister's house 0.99

08:58:41.140 or the president's house, 1.00

08:58:42.480 and we're calling him a traitor and a Zionist, right? 0.88

08:58:47.400 So very unpopular, very, very unpopular, 0.97

08:58:50.660 Israel and normalizing relations with them. 0.98

08:58:52.800 so iran can't afford to have hezbollah fall so this is why they had them in the mou it accomplishes

08:59:02.580 multiple strategies number one it preserves and protects their strongest proxy number two

08:59:09.460 it keeps israel at bay who is one of their main enemies three it embarrasses the united states

08:59:15.820 because it puts the united states in a difficult position where for the first time u.s and israeli

08:59:22.060 interests are not aligned. Trump wants to end the war so that he can go ahead and focus on other

08:59:28.620 things for the midterms. And then he also wants to go over and take Cuba. Netanyahu refuses to end

08:59:33.340 the war because this is the furthest they've ever made it into Lebanon. So the Iranians were able

08:59:38.300 to intelligently put a wedge in between the U.S. and Israel and force them to do what? Have differing

08:59:45.720 goals. Now, anyone that watches Netanyahu speak, what does Netanyahu always do? He says, Israel's

08:59:52.320 problems are always the U.S.'s problems. He's always able to kind of hide behind this phrase.

08:59:57.680 We fight your terrorists. We fight your battles. We're on the front lines. We're keeping you safe.

09:00:02.260 But for the first time in a long time, Israeli interests are not aligned with U.S. interests.

09:00:08.340 You can even make the argument that Israeli interests now are starting to conflict with U.S.

09:00:11.780 interests. We have gotten to a point now where the interests have completely diverged. We want

09:00:16.840 the war over. The Israelis don't want the war over because they want to continue to take territory 1.00

09:00:21.160 in southern Lebanon and create a security buffer. Okay. So once again, rewind. 0.66

09:00:31.540 Number one, Iran wants Hezbollah to stick around because they need them because they're the 0.75

09:00:36.520 strongest power two they um they're the most competent fighting force and they know how to

09:00:42.060 deal with the israelis three it embarrasses trump and puts trump in a weird position because now

09:00:46.940 his interests are not aligned with israel's interests and then here's something else four

09:00:52.060 it further embarrasses um the united states and the west because they've proven that not only do

09:01:01.280 we not have israel under control we can't protect our allies in the region because they all got

09:01:05.280 bombed. Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc. And they destroyed a majority of the bases all across the

09:01:14.120 region. So this is kind of where we are now. This is kind of where we are. It's not a good

09:01:24.940 predicament to be in. And the MOU that we had in place is effectively dead, thanks to, you know,

09:01:33.460 this situation and let me be explicitly clear because people always say oh well

09:01:39.740 iran was attacking ships that's why the united states are retaliating oh well no go backwards 0.53

09:01:43.620 more this is this is the typical zionist thought that this is what they do they always start at 0.96

09:01:49.660 where like um their enemy fucked no no no no no the reason why iran hit these ships is because 0.95

09:01:57.060 they had a deal. Israel didn't leave Lebanon. Since Israel didn't leave Lebanon, the U.S. 0.99

09:02:04.600 and the Western General tried to get ships to sneak by Iran through the straitermosts without

09:02:09.100 notifying them, and they tried to hug the coast of the UAE and Oman. This is why the Iranians 1.00

09:02:15.620 started striking those ships, because they tried to sneak by, and they hit them with drones.

09:02:20.900 so you know this is where we are this is where we are now politically give me uh

09:02:28.460 give me ones that that makes sense guys give me ones that that makes sense

09:02:33.120 we're going to cover uh carter murphy here in a little bit

09:02:37.640 uh we'll finish watching this news

09:02:44.400 and obviously there's a lot more than that guys but like i'm giving you guys the cliff note version

09:02:50.900 where those negotiations needed to have made at least enough progress to make the Americans feel

09:02:56.580 that the Iranians were serious about their pledges to discuss denuclearizing and getting rid of its

09:03:04.260 enriched uranium that's been buried deep down within the structures in Iran. And I think it's

09:03:13.060 very clear from what we're seeing today in U.S. action is the U.S. doesn't think that there's been

09:03:20.180 enough progress made yes it's a response directly to these strikes on ships that were all flagged

09:03:27.860 by our gulf allies by the way and that's a that's that's a decision but i could bet money that the

09:03:35.380 u.s wouldn't have necessarily taken such massive overhaul of a chain okay so i heard also that um

09:03:43.300 And Iran is attacking U.S. Navy ships.

09:03:45.740 So let's look here. 0.95

09:03:51.760 Let's see what the latest is with this.

09:03:56.840 Let me jump on.

09:04:00.440 Hold on.

09:04:01.080 FOX NEWS ALERT, CENTCOM CONFIRMING THAT THE U.S. MILITARY CONDUCTED A NEW SERIES

09:04:16.940 OF POWERFUL AIRSTRIKES IN IRAN FOR ATTACKING COMMERCIAL SHIPPING.

09:04:20.200 LET'S GO TO MARK, MEREDYTH, IN TURKEY.

09:04:21.800 MARK.

09:04:24.040 GREG, GOOD MORNING TO YOU.

09:04:25.520 THE PRESIDENT IS AT HIS HOTEL FOR THE EVENING, IS NOW AFTER MIDNIGHT, BUT THE LATEST NEWS

09:04:29.020 we are getting is from U.S. Central Command that they are launching new strikes against Iran,

09:04:34.160 basically in retaliation after Iran had launched three different attacks on ships

09:04:38.420 that were transiting the Strait of Hormuz. These were commercial ships as they are trying to get

09:04:42.960 oil, natural gas out of that water from the Persian Gulf into the Gulf of Oman. But the

09:04:48.160 Strait, of course, has been the center point for so much of what's happened since early February,

09:04:52.420 where President Trump said it was imperative that ships would be allowed to move in and out of that

09:04:57.020 area freely. Iran, of course, had contested that, saying that they were going to be the ones

09:05:01.100 deciding who was going to be able to move through that waterway. Now, we don't know whether or not

09:05:06.160 these strikes are completed or if they are going to be ongoing. Iranian state media was reporting

09:05:10.460 a series of explosions in southern Iran, but we'll be looking to get more details from what

09:05:14.520 central command has to say or the president's own comments while he's here in Turkey. And I will

09:05:18.920 mention, Greg, oil prices already jumping on the news of what's happening. Another big development,

09:05:22.540 The U.S. revoking a waiver it had just issued to give Iran 60 days to sell its oil.

09:05:28.300 The White House pulling back that release earlier this evening.

09:05:31.400 Be sure to like and subscribe for all the Fox News latest.

09:05:36.840 Interesting.

09:05:38.500 So.

09:05:40.500 So here's the final tally, guys, here of what what the U.S. did.

09:05:45.840 CENTCOM final tally is in over 80 targets struck, including 60 IRGC attack boats destroyed.

09:05:51.340 CENTCOM says forces completed a new round of offensive strikes, hitting over 80 targets with precision munitions.

09:05:57.520 The strikes destroyed more than 60 IRGC small boats in and near the strait.

09:06:04.560 The swarm fleet Iran used to harass the attacking shipping.

09:06:07.860 The attack shipping also hit air defense systems, command and control networks, coastal radar and anti-ship missile capabilities. 0.71

09:06:14.600 The three attack ships were named the Marshall Islands Flagged AI.

09:06:19.580 Okay, whatever.

09:06:21.000 CENTCOM, so basically three ships.

09:06:23.460 CENTCOM called Iran's aggression a clear and dangerous violation. 0.74

09:06:26.320 The ceasefire vowing to hold Iran accountable. 0.60

09:06:28.420 So here's some of the footage, I guess.

09:06:34.860 So Iran's president cut his Iraq trip short and rushed back as the American strikes escalated.

09:06:41.260 So yeah, so Podetskian went back.

09:06:43.120 so yeah man no bueno at all no bueno at all guys this is where we are uh i'm gonna end the youtube

09:07:00.140 stream youtube guys come on over we're gonna talk uh we're gonna cover uh conor murphy we're

09:07:05.380 gonna cover uh conor murphy i'm gonna go back and forth between conor uh well i'm gonna do

09:07:09.340 conor murphy then i'm gonna go back to the news because right now it looks like um iran is hitting

09:07:13.680 iran is hitting uh the united states back they made it said uh bro can't read yeah we know what

09:07:21.720 you can enjoy the shadow on bro uh enjoy time to send you to the shadow round 1.00

09:07:27.700 the future is mine i've literally been on for like 10 hours bro shut your bitch ass up idiot 1.00

09:07:34.360 okay uh youtube stream going down guys come on over to kick youtube guys i'm giving you guys 1.00

09:07:41.760 the kick link come on over because um

09:07:46.920 i hate youtube don't get paid to be on here it's a waste of time so come on over guys

09:07:56.000 dropping a kick link i've been on here for like 40 plus minutes for you guys come on over gonna

09:08:02.880 cover connor murphy now yeah we're basically on 10 hours now are we on 10 hours yeah we're on nine

09:08:09.880 nine hours so let's go guys we're gonna cover connor murphy um recipes of connor we're gonna

09:08:15.500 talk about that a little bit but yeah youtube stream going down guys youtube stream is going

09:08:19.840 down murphy just 32 years old and a pioneer in the fitness industry he was going viral back in

09:08:27.460 the days before going viral was yeah like 10 years ago was even a thing he was pronounced dead this

09:08:33.200 morning at just 32 years old in the waters outside of a town in bangkok young guy man

09:08:41.060 i'm 36 guys you know i mean so he's four years younger than me yeah the reason i'm getting off

09:08:48.340 youtube guys i'm demonetized i've been demonetized guys for three years no youtuber would be able to

09:08:53.240 survived doing youtube um being demonetized for three years but i'm still here for yon ninjas

09:08:58.260 so uh all i ask is that you guys come on over to kick okay that's uh that's my main platform

09:09:03.260 now that's my main platform it's not youtube i still stream on rumble even though um you know

09:09:10.480 i lose money streaming on rumble to be honest with y'all but i love rumble that's our home

09:09:16.460 base for fresh and fit so i show love so youtube stream is going down come on over guys

09:09:21.180 thailand and connor was a friend of mine so i have my feelings and my thoughts but i first want to

09:09:28.520 share to you what happened to connor and what caused his death there was witnesses who saw

09:09:34.080 connor on the side of the road acting about and he was praying on the side of the road acting

09:09:41.180 you know how connor sometimes acts well they panicked they called the police and the bangkok

09:09:47.420 police they came to the scene all right youtube going down now guys come on over we're going to

09:09:52.560 talk connor murphy um we're going to talk uh more around war we're going to be giving updates

09:09:58.200 periodically we're going to talk about trump and turkey that's going to be a good one we got a lot

09:10:01.480 to talk about on that one uh we're going to talk about the um horrors house of horrors in ohio

09:10:05.860 what else uh yeah and then we'll yeah we'll cover that and then we'll also go back and

09:10:11.180 reflect real quick on the um on uh the hearing the charlie kirk hearing day two

09:10:17.300 so youtube going down now guys got a lot to talk about let's go politics true crime

09:10:23.400 and uh obviously this tragic death myron gains x kate.com slash myron gains x

09:10:30.900 and once connor saw them he panicked and he went and jumped in the lake by his home

09:10:40.120 and he was trying i guess to swim away from the police so far out into that waters and

09:10:47.020 And I know those waters are very deep until he was exhausted and he ended up dying.

09:10:52.960 And that's where his body was found.

09:10:54.960 The police later entered his home and they saw the house was very messy.

09:11:00.300 There was strange paintings all over the walls.

09:11:03.680 And we've seen this behavior, you know, with Connor before.

09:11:06.880 Yeah, look, guys.

09:11:08.720 So this is what's what happened with Connor Murphy.

09:11:10.580 Okay.

09:11:13.140 He was a huge fitness YouTuber.

09:11:15.740 Like, you know, I showed you guys the video earlier.

09:11:17.640 You know, I'd walk up to girls, pull off a shirt. 0.75

09:11:19.700 You know, there'd be crazy reactions.

09:11:21.020 He went viral for doing, like, Omegle back in the day where he would, like, you know, have a shirt on.

09:11:25.560 And then he'd take his shirt off and the girls would go crazy because he was Chad.

09:11:29.100 And basically what ended up happening was he went and he took ayahuasca, right?

09:11:36.220 This is why I'm not a fan of drugs, dude.

09:11:38.320 He went down to, like, somewhere in South America and took some ayahuasca.

09:11:41.260 And dude he never

09:11:43.400 Ever

09:11:44.100 Like

09:11:46.100 Was normal after that

09:11:48.340 Like he never came back the same after that

09:11:51.300 And I remember that

09:11:52.620 Brandon Carter used to work with him

09:11:55.460 Brandon Carter did all of his marketing

09:11:56.880 And he couldn't work with him anymore

09:11:59.580 Because he just went crazy dude

09:12:01.080 He went crazy

09:12:02.380 You know he had like a mental breakdown

09:12:06.200 And he went like crazy for a while

09:12:07.480 I was like thinking to myself like bro is this a joke

09:12:09.200 This has got to be a joke 0.96

09:12:11.260 Yeah, that's what made him crazy, guys, was the ayahuasca.

09:12:13.800 Yeah.

09:12:15.720 Yeah, he started, like, making really crazy content, dude.

09:12:18.300 Like, I'll show you guys an example of what I mean.

09:12:20.840 And his ex, his girlfriend, who was at the scene, she said that he was up all night.

09:12:26.280 He was going crazy.

09:12:27.280 He didn't sleep all night.

09:12:28.800 And the next day, I guess, is where he was found on the streets, where people ended up calling the police on him.

09:12:33.680 An American man went on a violent rampage, painting the entire interior of a luxury rental home valued at 22 million baht.

09:12:41.060 causing extensive damage before running into the village lake where he drowned.

09:12:45.140 His girlfriend stated she did not know the cause,

09:12:47.320 while the homeowner was shocked and never expected to encounter such a scene.

09:12:51.280 At 3 p.m. on July 7th, police lieutenant, deputy investigation officer,

09:12:56.620 received a report of a foreign man acting erratically

09:12:59.260 and jumping into the lake of a luxury village in Bang, Philly district.

09:13:02.640 He, along with emergency doctors, rushed to the scene.

09:13:06.240 The scene was a luxury house situated next to a large pond.

09:13:09.280 divers were searching for the missing person before finding the body so i'll show you guys

09:13:13.720 what i mean man um so you've been pranked

09:13:18.480 yeah bro he went crazy dude um this one more more plays more dates

09:13:36.880 um to be enlightened whatsoever so if you look on the instagram page and i'm not going to show 0.94

09:13:42.980 any of like the really personal shit but you know back a few weeks yeah dude like this is

09:13:48.800 his instagram after to go you know he was uh posting some like really interesting stuff about 0.98

09:13:55.000 like uh he's starting to wear like costumes and shit and he's like going around at night time

09:14:00.460 doing weird stuff and he starts posting these uh mario became enlightened when he realized that he 0.96

09:14:05.080 is the pixels you are living in the matrix connor that uh call me yeah bro just started going nuts

09:14:12.500 the happy hatter and he's wearing some costume here he is with like like some of these are so

09:14:18.120 how it's even relevant to be in very like it just feels like you're what you would think is the

09:14:24.280 stereotype of being on psychedelics when you see like the videos like they seem very very 0.97

09:14:29.320 colorful Alice in Wonderland abstract like I don't know how to fucking describe it because 0.73

09:14:35.620 I've never actually experienced these drugs but I mean like dude tell me this doesn't look like 0.99

09:14:40.340 drugs in a fucking video like this is that's what I see when I see this shit and so all the comments 0.98

09:14:45.280 expectedly are like can someone please from his family check on him I miss old Connor uh let's 1.00

09:14:50.860 see four bruh this image is so aesthetic said no said no one ever geez let's see what else um him

09:14:58.460 zooming in on his uh his mad hatter yeah he gave away like he put all the he put a social security

09:15:05.240 number on stream like on video um and he put all the passwords to it you know it's yeah thing him

09:15:14.860 uh holding a golf club with uh the uh outfit on him trying to juggle fruit with uh a mushroom hat

09:15:23.140 like from uh super mario and even his choices of music like they're so

09:15:28.260 i don't know recreational psychedelics user um and today apparently he proposed to some chick 0.98

09:15:36.300 you know how legitimate is that but he proposed to some chick i can't even fucking talk he 0.80

09:15:42.000 proposed to some chick and um he was like cleaning his place or something i don't know what their 0.96

09:15:47.480 their connection is but i mean he's been posting like weird golf shit you know all week and i when 0.98

09:15:54.320 i say weird i just mean like he's in costumes he's like flying around the course on some fucking 0.95

09:15:58.520 automated wheel thing and then he rides right onto the green and you know as far as i know 0.83

09:16:06.860 are you guys don't do drugs man

09:16:09.280 don't do drugs bro 1.00

09:16:13.200 um like fuck man like this guy had it all dude like it like he really had it all 1.00

09:16:23.140 guys this is just acting okay this is just acting 0.99

09:16:32.020 this is goodbye and i thought it would be fit to end it all in the same setting from which i began

09:16:42.360 this crazy yeah bro it's just like it's painful to see this like you know um it sucks he wasn't

09:16:51.640 like this all the time he was the epitome of a male he's the epitome of what you'd want to aspire

09:16:56.260 to be like before going on your fitness journey okay you're like you look up to this guy like i 0.99

09:17:00.400 want to look like that so we see him now in this video he's a certified geeker in this fucking 0.99

09:17:05.460 clip he has fully downsized he has fully fucked up his physique he has fucked off life basically so 1.00

09:17:11.400 he's one of those guys that just got fucked i mean he fried his shit bro he fried his 1.00

09:17:17.080 fucking brain he wasn't like this all the time yeah man like i wish i you know and it's kind 1.00

09:17:22.300 of sad because like these newer youtubers and shit like that like um they don't know 1.00

09:17:28.200 what connor was before all this fucking crazy shit man yeah i mean um he wasn't always like this 0.99

09:17:35.980 But what can you say man 1.00

09:17:39.500 It's so fucking 0.97

09:17:41.840 You know sad to see 1.00

09:17:43.020 The guy fucking had it all man 0.99

09:17:45.460 But then he just started 1.00

09:17:48.060 Doing drugs 1.00

09:17:49.140 Partying and shit 0.99

09:17:51.120 You know he used to get videos like this 1.00

09:17:53.960 Picking up girls shirtless

09:17:54.880 This is like what he went viral for doing

09:17:57.320 Back in the day

09:17:58.440 You know when going viral was like

09:18:01.420 When going viral wasn't even a thing

09:18:05.980 from the paragon of western success to a cautionary tale of clinical insanity

09:18:15.020 dude ayahuasca man ayahuasca can't wait to join you in heaven

09:18:21.700 what happened to connor murphy how could somebody so loved go from this

09:18:28.860 all right so the game is i'll give you three guesses three chances to guess the color of my

09:18:34.260 shirt under my jacket the color of my shirt underneath my jacket and if you get it wrong

09:18:39.000 then I get your number one of your favorite color so today I'm just gonna go through some of his old

09:18:47.280 content some of his new content and I'm just gonna see if I can figure out what really happened to

09:18:52.720 Connor let's hop into it so if you don't know who Connor Murphy is already he started off in around

09:18:59.640 2016 2015 era doing taking off shirt pranks quote unquote into women and his videos got insanely

09:19:08.860 successful and he was one of the main factors of me joining into the fitness community because i

09:19:14.880 would see somebody like him yes it was cringe but i saw him impress these girls and it really

09:19:20.360 motivated me to start working out and now the only thing i pulled yeah he got a lot of guys in

09:19:25.040 him him z's a lot of these guys are dudes so you know who's really the winner now but connor's

09:19:31.520 content wasn't always a success after around the 2019 2020 era connor and murphy's videos

09:19:38.680 started becoming irrelevant well and that's that's all fitness content by the way that was all like

09:19:44.320 fitness fitness youtube just was dead in the 2020 like i think covid killed it dude i think i think

09:19:51.960 fitness youtube was already cooked anyway but by 2020 it was already done people got tired of his

09:19:57.800 shtick and eventually stopped clicking on his videos you know well people got tired of fitness

09:20:02.400 content in general bro because it's very redundant man it's extremely redundant only do that like you 0.92

09:20:07.420 can only like you know eat fucking boiled chicken and white rice and diet and bulk and cut so much 0.90

09:20:14.020 dude so connor deleted a lot of his videos started a new channel called connor murphy talks and 0.95

09:20:20.400 started posting on there he started making a bunch of content about enlightenment did i believe

09:20:26.660 either a 30-day or 60-day fast lost all of his muscle and then claimed to go on drugs

09:20:33.620 the government is reptilian yeah he was never the same after he did his ayahuasca uh push

09:20:39.680 when he went and did ayahuasca in south america and came back he was never the same after that 0.99

09:20:45.100 dude he was never the same after that joe rogan is in on it elon musk is fuck drugs dude guys 0.99

09:20:52.340 this would be the biggest red pill for you guys right now to never ever fucking do drugs dude 0.99

09:20:58.840 ever okay 0.91

09:21:00.900 tiger woods is in on it you can check my story i've been messaging them i am forgetting and

09:21:08.040 knowing that is how i created the plan i can't do the plan if i knew it the whole time because

09:21:11.600 be cracking up so i make myself forget i am infinitely intelligent so i can make

09:21:15.680 he even went as far as faking his own death and the content that he makes now is well to say the

09:21:21.680 least scary like quite honestly i don't know what he started making he teamed up with joey swole and

09:21:30.480 started going to thailand and making videos here you know what we'll do a little bit of sunny v2

09:21:35.200 sunny makes good videos on this crap every single conspiracy theory you ever know is 100 true 0.65

09:21:40.960 the government is reptilian overlords joe rogan is in on it elon musk is in on it tiger woods is 0.96

09:21:47.200 in on you can check my story i've been messaging them i am forgetting and knowing that is how i

09:21:50.720 created the plan i can't do the plan if i knew it the whole time because i'd be cracking up so

09:21:54.000 i make myself forget i am infinitely intelligent so i can make money connor murphy once had a

09:21:57.520 reputation as an extroverted disciplined running at 1.25 go getter whose athleticism easily rivaled

09:22:02.400 other top-tier fitness influences however as the years rolled by and connor's channel faded

09:22:06.480 into irrelevance and that's all fitness channels like i was saying before his mental state would

09:22:10.240 sadly decline alongside it i used to be so happy when i was a kid this is called times market i

09:22:14.640 love this place because the gospel of thomas is where it's at see people who wrote the bible or

09:22:18.000 i was actually put into a psych ward for over two weeks i remember when that happened i remember

09:22:24.560 when in the psych ward he said he was god he was offered anti-psychotic medication every emotion

09:22:28.800 in me is just rapid fire the whole universe is me i am consciousness i know that mom has a strong

09:22:33.120 belief in having a new dad it's in essence you can feel it you can feel god within someone now

09:22:36.800 Now, this, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who has officially lost his mind.

09:22:40.940 Breakdown Psych Ward's strange podcasts and the belief that he had become God

09:22:44.820 were all captured right here on the YouTube platform

09:22:47.380 with his path to insanity beginning on the 9th of January 2016,

09:22:51.820 where Connor Murphy would post his very first video titled,

09:22:54.580 Connor Murphy Natural Body.

09:22:55.820 Yeah, and this is going to kind of go through all the lore,

09:22:57.480 so I got you guys.

09:22:58.240 We'll go through this and react to it.

09:22:59.680 Body transformation.

09:23:00.780 The video began by stating that, quote,

09:23:02.380 when he was younger, he wasn't really the coolest kid in his class

09:23:05.220 before going on to show numerous photos of his skinny younger self.

09:23:08.560 This would all change when he began to hit the weight room at the age of 13,

09:23:11.900 building a pretty reasonable physique in the four years that followed.

09:23:14.440 However, this had become even more impressive by his 21st birthday,

09:23:17.980 having built his body to the point where he could stand out as a fitness YouTuber on the platform.

09:23:22.260 He began by posting simple workout and nutrition guides,

09:23:24.780 in which it was clear that Connor had a genuine desire for improving the lives of his viewers.

09:23:28.860 It's to help you look as impressive as you possibly can for your next Instagram picture.

09:23:33.860 and this came from the aesthetic era all right like i told you guys before like you know people

09:23:38.380 were heavily influenced by people like z's his brother chesbra um jeff side matt ogis uh christian

09:23:46.720 guzman this was like the aesthetic fitness era uh where he came up from or youtube video everyone

09:23:53.300 wants and this is what like i was going hard in the gym too man uh is well i mean i still do now

09:23:57.660 still but like you know i was going pretty hard as well because i i'm uh well i'm a little older

09:24:02.140 than connor i'm four years old than connor so yeah i remember like i was like yeah look good

09:24:07.060 i'm gonna help you guys out these instructional videos were interwoven with basic fitness pranks

09:24:11.000 such as pretending to be a fitness mannequin in the mall however it will be when connor posted

09:24:15.020 the first video in what would become his aesthetics on omegle yeah this is what really

09:24:19.300 blew him up dude this this right here with omegle he's like the hey you know it's funny

09:24:23.200 z's used to do this too z's like the real the first one to do this series that his channel

09:24:29.080 began to explode. The premise of the series was pretty basic. He'd wait to match with females on

09:24:34.280 Omegle before taking his shirt off and simply recording their reaction. Within six months of

09:24:38.320 posting his first aesthetics on Omegle video, Connor Murphy had passed 100,000 subscribers.

09:24:43.180 However, the most notable part about this video was the information it revealed to Connor. People

09:24:47.260 were interested in watching him take his shirt off in front of girls, spawning a new series of

09:24:51.220 bizarre prank type videos in which he would leave the bedroom and instead look for excuses to take

09:24:55.320 his shirt off in public there were classics such as a conor murphy shirtless on the roof of chipotle

09:24:59.840 conor murphy goes grocery shopping and who could forget how to impress a girl instantly so if i

09:25:04.620 can impress you in just one second it's also important as you guys understand at this time

09:25:09.460 like rsd was huge like dating coach content was like also very popular at this time so

09:25:16.640 mixing fitness with like um you know getting girl attention was like the meta back then it was like

09:25:23.700 the meta and there was like no IRL streaming so like you'd be able to do this film get the

09:25:35.840 best clips and reactions and then go home and edit it make it look great right RZ is real

09:25:42.260 social dynamics come on man you guys don't know about that RZ RZ Tyler and all these other guys

09:25:47.780 yeah dude that's what it was in a day this was like the meta back then there was no IRL streaming

09:25:54.080 you go pick up girls you record it or you do stuff like this get reactions and it would go viral

09:26:00.560 this was also um the prank era as well a lot of big prank youtubers uh were huge doing this stuff

09:26:10.900 So fitness

09:26:13.520 Prank

09:26:14.600 Pickup

09:26:15.800 These genres were all like super popular

09:26:18.440 Connor Murphy blended them all together

09:26:21.080 That's why he blew up so much 0.99

09:26:23.980 Because he was pulling in people from different realms 1.00

09:26:25.900 Fitness people

09:26:26.920 People that are interested in getting girls with the dating stuff 0.79

09:26:29.380 And the pranks

09:26:30.580 He literally was able to combine all of it

09:26:32.920 That's why his videos went so viral back then

09:26:34.700 Because he combined

09:26:36.500 All those top tier niches

09:26:38.920 Into one

09:26:39.360 the videos were incredibly cringy however this was offset to some degree by connor's

09:26:53.060 self-awareness and likable attitude in the beginning i really hope you don't think that

09:26:56.800 i'm too much of a douchebag but even if you do please subscribe because my view to subscriber

09:27:02.720 ratio is getting absolutely insane however even with the likable attitude without context the

09:27:08.260 videos were incredibly easy to roast individuals such as h3h3 productions who was oh yeah of course 0.97

09:27:13.800 uh this fucking slob would say something like this hating training supreme in the commentary 0.94

09:27:19.300 genre at the time uploaded this yeah now they fell off they are cooked now h does anyone even 0.99

09:27:25.680 watch h3 anymore i know they bought their their uh subscribers they are so washed it is nuts 0.53

09:27:35.680 Yeah, she did serve an IDF.

09:27:37.140 Yeah, she's a full-on Israeli, bro. 0.92

09:27:39.620 Full-on Israeli. 0.93

09:27:41.980 This video titled, 0.99

09:27:43.080 My Girl is Leaving Me for This Guy

09:27:44.720 to an audience of over 9 million.

09:27:46.860 So what do you think about Connor Murphy?

09:27:48.460 First thing I think when I look at this guy 0.99

09:27:49.920 is that when he's having sex, 0.98

09:27:51.160 he's watching himself in the mirror.

09:27:52.920 You know what I'm saying?

09:27:53.680 And while most YouTubers would see

09:27:54.820 this level of criticism as a negative,

09:27:56.760 it simply gave Connor Murphy

09:27:57.880 another opportunity to display his humility.

09:28:00.380 Ethan Klein from H3H3 Productions.

09:28:02.620 I've honestly been a longtime subscriber.

09:28:04.360 all of his videos are hilarious, including his recent one. My idol, Connor Murphy. I think it's

09:28:09.660 the best one yet. So you guys should totally go check it out. Providing a pathway for Connor

09:28:12.900 Murphy to hit 1 million subscribers only a year and a half after beginning his channel. However,

09:28:18.220 while such a milestone would have been incredibly exciting for Connor Murphy, it seemed to trigger

09:28:22.280 a serious decline in his motivation for making videos as only six months after achieving 1

09:28:26.980 million subscribers, he disappeared from the platform for over five months. Upon returning,

09:28:31.140 he'd upload only 8 videos within the space of a year, less than 1 per month, with only

09:28:35.400 half of them cracking the 1 million view mark. As a result, Connor Murphy's average monthly

09:28:39.260 view count began to tumble. He'd go from 20 million views per month at the beginning

09:28:42.740 of 2018, to less than 5 million per month by the beginning of 2019, only 12 months later.

09:29:01.140 you guys this? Before, I'm going to say it again. Being famous and rich in your 20s is a curse,

09:29:08.940 dude. It's a curse. In addition to his five-month break, his decline in viewership had also been

09:29:13.960 aided by a reduced interest for prank-related videos. In 2016 and 2017, his ideas were fresh

09:29:19.700 and on par with the YouTube meta at the time. However, they were certainly feeling a little

09:29:23.340 dated by 2019. As 2020 rolled around, the prank genre had not only become even more dated,

09:29:29.000 but Connor was facing a new problem.

09:29:31.000 Almost all of his viral ideas required outdoor social interaction with females,

09:29:34.700 which had been halted by US lockdowns, forcing him to return to older video ideas.

09:29:38.960 And I know it has been forever since I've made an Omegle video,

09:29:41.980 but since it's pretty much the only type of content I can film right now,

09:29:45.340 I figured it was time to do another one.

09:29:46.460 Connor returned to the streets whenever lockdowns were lifted.

09:29:48.720 On 6th Street, thank goodness it is back, like the good old days.

09:29:52.260 However, the overall limitation would drop his monthly view count

09:29:54.740 to less than 3 million per month, forcing Connor to try a new career path.

09:29:59.000 With a sane and coherent mind, Connor Murphy made the decision to move to LA

09:30:02.440 in pursuit of becoming an actor,

09:30:04.140 and while the potential of a new career path was incredibly exciting,

09:30:07.360 this would be the point at which things began to go downhill rapidly.

09:30:12.120 For a while now, he's come under fire for his physique essentially deteriorating.

09:30:17.680 Compared to when he first started YouTube,

09:30:19.560 he's kind of like, doesn't look nearly as good as when he first started.

09:30:24.160 It looks like he's probably lost about 10 to 15 pounds of muscle.

09:30:26.920 while connor's physique was still incredibly impressive by average standards it was becoming

09:30:30.580 increasingly obvious that his body wasn't built to the same standard as it had been in the early

09:30:34.760 days of his channel is this just me or is connor looking a little smaller and less shredded not

09:30:40.160 hating just noticing bro yeah here's the other thing too man with fitness youtubers bro um

09:30:45.120 and there's another like very this let's just talk about this um

09:30:49.160 fitness youtubers are under an enormous amount of pressure to maintain a certain physique

09:30:55.440 and any deviation from that like makes them go crazy and their fans notice it because a lot of

09:31:00.680 them are like parasocial weirdos so they're gonna notice like any change right especially if they're

09:31:07.480 on gear very very toxic community to have by the way very very toxic community to have is the

09:31:12.940 fitness community so um this obviously played a huge role because i don't think he was taking as

09:31:19.400 much gear when he went to california and then obviously you know he probably started partying

09:31:24.300 he probably started like you know focusing more on like getting into acting and everything else

09:31:27.840 like this and and believe it or not guys um they do not want you to be huge uh you will lose a lot

09:31:33.740 of acting roles uh if you're big okay you will lose a lot of acting roles so he probably had

09:31:41.780 to cut down to make himself a more marketable actor oh your videos are awesome but what's wrong

09:31:48.600 with you you don't look like a bodybuilder your abs are disappearing you don't look shredded

09:31:51.940 focus on your physique more bro although I enjoy watching your vids. Connor explained the reason

09:31:56.200 for his loss so weird of gains to be body fat percentage and over the course of the last few

09:32:01.400 months or whatever I've probably gained like one to two percent body fat. The second thing man is

09:32:08.420 lighting. However others speculated that his weight loss might have been the result of some

09:32:12.080 kind of addiction. I don't look that skinny do I? You might man. Maybe you've lost. I mean you're

09:32:17.100 definitely bigger than me but yeah I have lost a lot. Well you weigh less you weigh less than me

09:32:20.820 by a lot now because you've lost uh 31 31 pounds holy yeah these suspicions would be confirmed to

09:32:28.660 some extent when his friend and fellow youtuber patrick lyons would upload a video explaining

09:32:32.580 that in early 2020 connor tried psychedelics for the first time yeah man oh god guys i hate to say

09:32:40.200 this again please man don't do drugs guys don't do drugs man yo just roll one time bro yo try

09:32:55.660 shrooms the only love once bro yo come here to southern america and do some ayahuasca nah bro

09:33:02.840 nope nope definitely no honor has taken a substance called ayahuasca for the first time

09:33:11.660 he took it about a year ago i remember this dude because again connor murphy worked with

09:33:17.040 brandon carter and they were making a lot of money together dude brandon carter ran all of

09:33:21.340 connor murphy's um marketing dude his merch his his um i think he had a something in line or they

09:33:28.260 had a supplement line together like he ran all his marketing brennan carter is like a very good 0.89

09:33:33.100 marketer right he ran all this shit for him they were making so much money they were killing it

09:33:38.200 dude and just went crazy oh and when he took it a year ago it is what led to the first period of 0.97

09:33:48.800 like concerning video content creation on his part uh related to what he called enlightenment

09:33:54.960 The mentioned concerning video content began with this video in late 2020,

09:33:59.320 titled, Why I Deleted My Old Videos and How to Access Them,

09:34:02.480 in which his audience witnessed the first example of Connor giving up his old gym-related branding,

09:34:07.020 replacing it with a much more hippie vibe,

09:34:08.800 wearing a hoodie and necklace while standing in front of a damp rainforest poster.

09:34:12.500 Throughout the video, Connor would discuss the many downsides of success

09:34:15.280 in a relatable, articulate, and intelligent manner.

09:34:17.740 I reached this point of success, the great physique, the girls, the money, and-

09:34:22.300 See?

09:34:22.540 and this is why right here this is why it is a curse to be rich and famous in your 20s 0.96

09:34:32.080 i don't care what anyone says i do not give a shit what anyone says i've been saying this 0.97

09:34:39.560 for years i'm going to say it again nothing good comes of becoming rich and famous in your 20s bro 0.97

09:34:44.440 you have to suffer so that you appreciate it later on man everybody that i've seen become 0.97

09:34:50.740 rich and famous in their 20s they end up fucking crashing out at some point dude they crash out at 0.95

09:34:57.300 some point and i became depressed and while his new introspective message yeah he became depressed 0.88

09:35:10.660 even though he had it all you want to know why you want to know why guys because you only experience

09:35:15.900 highs with no lows. If you only get highs, you're eventually going to go low. That's why it's better

09:35:23.540 to experience the lows first so that the highs you appreciate, man.

09:35:30.980 What people don't understand is that appreciation is a very subjective feeling, okay?

09:35:37.140 the reason why

09:35:41.620 I'll tell you guys right now

09:35:44.620 I guarantee every single one of you

09:35:47.420 has a moment in your life

09:35:49.360 where you drank soda or water 0.98

09:35:52.180 and it was the best water you ever fucking tasted 0.97

09:35:54.560 or the best Coke Zero you ever tasted 0.98

09:35:57.800 right

09:35:58.520 you go ahead

09:35:59.780 you open up your little mini fridge

09:36:02.420 like I got

09:36:03.800 you got your Coke Zero here 1.00

09:36:05.880 These niggas don't pay me, 1.00

09:36:06.580 so I'm not going to go further than that, right? 1.00

09:36:08.520 You crack that bad boy open. 0.97

09:36:10.720 You had a hot-ass day. 0.94

09:36:12.600 You take a sip and you're like, 0.86

09:36:16.420 man, that tastes good, right?

09:36:21.600 Is the Coke good?

09:36:23.360 Coca-Cola, I mean.

09:36:24.860 Is the Coca-Cola good?

09:36:25.960 Is the soda good?

09:36:26.760 Or was the water that good?

09:36:29.020 No, it's only good

09:36:30.820 because you were at the gym training

09:36:32.600 right before you came in.

09:36:34.060 It's only good because it's 120 degrees outside

09:36:36.420 and you haven't drank all day.

09:36:38.620 It's only good because it's smoltering hot outside.

09:36:44.680 But if you drink Coca-Cola every single day

09:36:46.900 in air-conditioned environments

09:36:49.740 and you're fat

09:36:51.640 and you don't like work out or anything, 0.96

09:36:54.760 well, guess what?

09:36:55.920 That soda's not going to taste as good, is it?

09:36:58.780 Let's say you had a bodybuilding competition

09:37:01.220 or an athletic competition, right?

09:37:03.760 you're finally able to eat carbs again.

09:37:06.760 That first pancake is going to be fantastic, won't it?

09:37:09.020 Or that burger or those fries.

09:37:10.640 Or you haven't had McDonald's in a year or two.

09:37:14.120 Those fries taste a lot better

09:37:15.720 after not having it for a while, right?

09:37:18.440 So appreciation is a subjective term

09:37:20.320 based on where you are, okay?

09:37:24.720 The more you've suffered,

09:37:26.200 the easier it is for you to appreciate.

09:37:28.800 The less you've suffered,

09:37:30.260 the harder it is for you to appreciate.

09:37:31.820 It's that simple.

09:37:33.760 It's that simple.

09:37:35.880 So the reason why I'm so critical of young guys

09:37:39.400 that have money and are famous

09:37:40.380 is because they haven't suffered enough.

09:37:42.620 So since they haven't suffered enough,

09:37:43.660 what ends up happening is they get all these blessings

09:37:45.460 and they don't know how to act.

09:37:47.960 They don't know how to behave.

09:37:51.100 They live in an extremely warped and unrealistic world.

09:37:55.820 And what's worse is a lot of these young men

09:37:58.540 influence other young men.

09:38:02.320 I'll give you guys another example.

09:38:03.760 you know i'm gonna get off tiktok because i know i'm gonna say something that will get

09:38:11.540 me banned on tiktok we're gonna talk about um our favorite thank you come again we're

09:38:15.160 gonna talk about neon because i'm gonna use them as an example tiktok guys come on over to uh to

09:38:20.380 kick i will get kicked off uh i am 100% gonna get kicked off tiktok if i say what i'm gonna 0.98

09:38:25.880 say here on tiktok so come on over niggas come on over i'm dropping the link in here for you 0.92

09:38:33.220 guys right now uh don't worry it's not it's not free i'm sorry it's um there's no ads on kit guys 0.87

09:38:38.140 so just come on over click click the goddamn link on there go to kick it's completely free just 0.56

09:38:43.400 click the link all right no ads you click the link you don't need the app it's right there 0.94

09:38:49.280 okay so i'm gonna i'm gonna end it i'm gonna end it right here i'm gonna end the tiktok stream

09:38:53.100 because i already know if i say this i'm cooked on tiktok i'm finito

09:38:56.740 come on over guys come on over

09:39:03.220 Come on over.

09:39:06.540 TikTok going down now.

09:39:08.060 kick.com slash maringainzax.

09:39:09.280 Let's go, guys.

09:39:12.920 Okay. 1.00

09:39:19.120 Okay, faggots. 1.00

09:39:23.820 Now we can actually cook. 1.00

09:39:26.840 So Neon is a fucking Jeep, right? 1.00

09:39:28.920 As you guys know, Neon's a fucking Jeep. 1.00

09:39:30.660 however even though he's like a five foot six skinny jeet he's been able to acquire some money 0.99

09:39:40.180 get some status and get some bitches right here's the problem under normal circumstances as a skinny 0.98

09:39:47.480 19 year old jeet who doesn't go to the gym or have any like any real life experience and you 1.00

09:39:52.520 know grew up in a rich family um you would be considered like a fag girls wouldn't want to be 0.99

09:39:57.720 around you you wouldn't be able to like you know command a level a high level of attention you 0.98

09:40:02.060 wouldn't be able to get respect from other guys like under normal circumstances a guy like that

09:40:08.780 would suffer in a sexual marketplace right it would force him to get in the gym it would force

09:40:13.680 him to get some money it like well like um like work hard because i'll be honest with you guys

09:40:19.520 streaming is not hard work bro like i don't i don't care what anyone says streaming is not hard 0.99

09:40:22.860 work bro okay a lot of these niggas are just pussy oh well your streaming is so hard it's not 1.00

09:40:28.260 hard bro you're you're a fucking faggot if you think it is all right but anyway i digress so 1.00

09:40:34.140 you take someone like neon right um and i'm not saying to say i'm just being very honest here i'm 1.00

09:40:39.220 just being very candid like this is a guy that was rich in his 20s um you know all this money 0.99

09:40:44.640 all this fame etc and he's never had to deal with like the reality of him being like a skinny indian 1.00

09:40:51.320 Any regular dude that's a skinny Indian at that height 1.00

09:40:53.480 with his competence level would fucking suffer. 1.00

09:40:56.040 So, he has the beautiful opportunity to, like, suffer 0.99

09:41:00.480 and, like, you know, figure life out, understand how women are,

09:41:03.500 get in the gym, train, become better. 0.99

09:41:05.140 Now he doesn't need to do that shit because he has money. 0.99

09:41:08.000 So, now, when he gets things given to him or when things come his way, 0.99

09:41:13.100 he's not going to have the same level of appreciation for it.

09:41:14.840 And then on top of that, right, he's getting all these girls, right,

09:41:18.600 that, like, use him for his cloud or whatever.

09:41:20.640 And he doesn't know how to operate. 1.00

09:41:21.860 How many times have we seen these bitches use him? 1.00

09:41:24.100 He keeps getting got by the same bullshit. 1.00

09:41:28.360 Right? 1.00

09:41:28.780 He literally keeps getting got by the same bullshit. 0.99

09:41:30.720 So that's an example of a guy who you get things handed to you 0.99

09:41:37.220 or you get things too early in life, you don't learn to appreciate it,

09:41:40.300 and then you don't learn the prerequisite skills to get it done.

09:41:43.820 It's like getting the Chico's in a game.

09:41:46.380 Let's go back in time. 1.00

09:41:47.540 Let's say I give you Grand Theft Auto Vice City.

09:41:50.040 Everybody played that game.

09:41:50.940 Give me a five of you played that game before.

09:41:58.000 Grand Theft Auto Vice City. 1.00

09:41:59.140 All y'all niggas played that, right? 1.00

09:42:01.080 Perfect. 1.00

09:42:01.760 Great.

09:42:03.620 Now, two people, right?

09:42:07.480 Tom and Harry.

09:42:09.300 Tom plays the game.

09:42:12.280 He has to play it on hard mode, right? 0.99

09:42:14.800 No fucking cheat codes. 0.99

09:42:15.940 You got to play. 0.99

09:42:16.900 You got to do all the missions, et cetera.

09:42:19.940 harry right tom and harry harry i give him the game shark he gets all the codes right he gets 0.98

09:42:27.540 all the codes left left right right down down he has the fucking rocket launchers all this shit 0.95

09:42:30.860 so harry's gonna beat the game faster but who's gonna be the actual better player 0.96

09:42:37.260 both people beat the game who's gonna be the better player 0.90

09:42:40.820 tom because tom didn't use the cheat codes tom had to fucking get it out the mud and play the 0.92

09:42:50.380 game without codes same exact situation if i give you the cheat codes or i give you the fame and the 0.95

09:43:01.860 money up front early you're not going to know how to play the game properly you're not going 0.98

09:43:07.240 have an appreciation for the game this is why i am so against young men becoming rich and famous 1.00

09:43:14.880 as a matter of fact i'm gonna make my son fucking suffer fuck that nigga bro 1.00

09:43:19.300 hell no i'm seeing how bitch made and faggotified guys are 1.00

09:43:25.620 yo this thing i'm i'm sending them to a poor ass country bro 1.00

09:43:30.000 Fuck out of here, man 1.00

09:43:34.380 Because you become a fucking faggot 1.00

09:43:38.080 When you have money too young, dude 1.00

09:43:39.180 You become a huge faggot 1.00

09:43:40.920 You become an 1.00

09:43:44.440 Unappreciative, entitled

09:43:46.940 Non-skill-having 1.00

09:43:48.800 Pussified faggot, dude 1.00

09:43:51.080 And you don't treasure what you have 1.00

09:43:55.340 And I'm not saying this is shit on Connor Murphy 0.99

09:43:57.780 What I'm saying is that 0.98

09:43:59.300 like i just wish like he number one i wish he didn't take drugs and then number two like

09:44:06.880 you know a little bit of delayed gratification probably would have helped him

09:44:10.400 it probably would really would have helped him dude so um so yeah dude that's and again i don't

09:44:19.920 mean to like pick on neon by using it as an example but i you know that's a perfect example

09:44:24.560 of what i mean when it's like when you're rich and you're young you just don't know how to act 1.00

09:44:28.340 and then like these bitches use them and he doesn't know what he's like he doesn't he just 0.99

09:44:31.260 doesn't learn because he hasn't got it out the mud might have resonated with some in the months 1.00

09:44:38.580 that followed it became blatant all right so let me let me go back here when he talks about

09:44:42.360 what he had his audience witnessed the first example of connor giving up his old gym related

09:44:47.340 branding replacing it with a much more hippie vibe wearing a hoodie and necklace while standing

09:44:51.360 in front of a damp rainforest poster throughout the video connor would discuss the many downsides

09:44:55.580 of success in a relatable, articulate, and intelligent manner. And while his new introspective

09:45:05.360 message might have resonated with some, in the months that followed, it became blatantly obvious

09:45:09.400 that Connor Murphy was diving deeper into what you might call the spirit realm, as his ramblings

09:45:13.360 became increasingly incoherent. Through deep meditation and consciousness work, you can realize

09:45:18.360 that you can be free of the compulsive nature behind thought. Of course, you will still think,

09:45:22.740 but there won't be any addictive qualities to that thought.

09:45:25.440 You can detach it from your thoughts and be the observer of the thoughts.

09:45:28.980 Bruh.

09:45:37.120 Rather than identify with the thoughts.

09:45:38.800 That is probably the biggest addiction of all.

09:45:40.460 At around the same time, Connor would post a picture to his Instagram

09:45:42.940 holding a graduation certificate alongside a caption reading,

09:45:46.060 I am now officially a doctor.

09:45:47.640 That's right, I received an honorary doctorate in spirituality

09:45:50.080 from the Los Angeles Development Church

09:45:52.140 and institutes simply from making a donation.

09:45:54.620 This honorary degree lets me legally use the doctor title in front of my name.

09:45:58.320 I can legally be referred to as Dr. Connor Murphy.

09:46:00.900 His former friend and fellow YouTuber Patrick Lyons,

09:46:03.220 who had originally updated everyone on Connor's ayahuasca use,

09:46:06.120 then went on to explain that Connor's dosage had increased substantially.

09:46:09.020 He took that ayahuasca the first time a year ago,

09:46:12.320 and I don't know where along the lines these things happened,

09:46:15.960 but he has increased his frequency of consumption to every two hours.

09:46:20.300 Which would also be reiterated by another friend of Connor called Jane.

09:46:23.660 I asked Connor, how often do you do ayahuasca?

09:46:26.720 And he said, every two hours.

09:46:28.520 Connor's extreme dosage would become apparent when a-

09:46:30.820 Bro, what the hell?

09:46:34.920 A channel called Micah would upload a video titled,

09:46:37.480 We Went to Save Connor Murphy.

09:46:38.820 Every two hours is nuts.

09:46:39.980 I knew he was using it a lot though, but I didn't realize it was that much.

09:46:43.100 In which Connor's apartment could be seen in complete and utter disarray,

09:46:46.500 shown similarly in Jane's video.

09:46:48.120 I drove my car to Connor's apartment complex.

09:46:49.820 There were a bunch of boxes and trash bags in front of his door.

09:46:53.560 We went inside his apartment, and this is what I saw. 0.99

09:46:59.600 What the fuck? 0.99

09:47:01.320 Bro, what? 1.00

09:47:02.100 Inside his apartment, and this is what I saw.

09:47:08.500 Bro.

09:47:16.820 The stack of boxes.

09:47:17.820 and guys just so you know that's like very drug drug uh drug addict habits by the way 1.00

09:47:23.040 i mean look at homeless niggas bro you ever see them on the street all their shit is like 0.99

09:47:26.840 packed up and all over the place they're pack rats they can't get rid of anything boxes was 1.00

09:47:32.180 so huge that it took up half of the apartment and spilled out through the front door connor

09:47:36.400 apologized for it being so messy but said that he hadn't had time to clean because he'd been so

09:47:40.440 busy making content i've just been so focused on giving out all this content i just haven't had

09:47:47.040 time to clean that's why i'm here so i just started unboxing the mountain of packages and it was a

09:47:52.840 bunch of totally random stuff just a few of the things were a harry potter invisibility cloak

09:47:57.240 12 cans of oxygen and a cat tower i asked him if he had a cat and he said no before he'd go into

09:48:02.980 Hold on one sec. This dude

09:48:04.540 Sidney Falco says 1.00

09:48:10.380 How about you go suck a dick you fucking faggot 1.00

09:48:12.940 Get the fuck out of my chat you fucking loser 1.00

09:48:14.800 Fuck out of here 1.00

09:48:15.720 Time to send you to the shadow realm 1.00

09:48:19.100 The future is mine 0.98

09:48:22.300 Bro like 0.99

09:48:26.100 What the fuck do you think it is 1.00

09:48:28.740 Coming into my chat talking shit up to me bro 1.00

09:48:30.980 Like who the fuck are you 1.00

09:48:32.140 dude says oh i'm sure it's not just the drugs that killed him yeah you fucking retard i know 1.00

09:48:38.000 it's not the just just the drugs that killed him but that definitely led to his death you 1.00

09:48:40.860 fucking faggot retard fucking dumbass every fucking day i gotta take out the trash with 1.00

09:48:49.000 these fucking retards that come into my chest say some stupid shit man taking out the trash 1.00

09:48:53.840 with you garbage ass niggas bro yo i got no tolerance for fucking retards you stupid fucking 1.00

09:48:58.980 monkey you really think it's am i sitting here saying the ayahuasca killed him no i am saying 1.00

09:49:03.580 that the ayahuasca and the drug use absolutely contributed to his death you stupid fuck 1.00

09:49:08.220 so i hope you enjoy the shadow room nigga holy fuck 1.00

09:49:14.820 it's like bro you come into my chat talking shit get your fucking bum peasant ass out of here man 1.00

09:49:33.200 you fucking faggot and by the way i could call you a fucking peasant because i worked my ass 1.00

09:49:37.660 off to fucking get here to this point you fucking dickhead fuck out of here man you're sitting in 1.00

09:49:41.840 your fucking mom's guest room like a fucking loser because you went to go visit her because 1.00

09:49:47.560 it's your fucking anniversary when you graduate of fucking high school in seven years because 1.00

09:49:51.080 you're a fucking mouth-breathing retard and you're talking shit to me the fuck you talking 1.00

09:49:55.780 about bro faggot you're the type of nigga you come home and your dog barks at you your 1.00

09:50:01.060 dog don't even like you fucking dickhead in your fucking free time you pick out the dingleberries 1.00

09:50:09.000 from your fucking boxers. 1.00

09:50:13.900 Fucking lick that shit 1.00

09:50:14.780 and see if it tastes salty. 1.00

09:50:15.880 Get the fuck out of here, 1.00

09:50:16.640 you fucking retarded faggot. 1.00

09:50:20.000 I've had to fucking censor myself 1.00

09:50:21.580 because I've been on fucking Jewtalk 1.00

09:50:22.960 and fucking Ufag YouTube 1.00

09:50:26.440 for a while. 0.99

09:50:29.000 Been out for like 10 hours, 1.00

09:50:30.420 this stupid-ass nigga go, 1.00

09:50:31.620 look, yeah, 1.00

09:50:32.640 Myra totally said

09:50:33.560 that the drugs killed him, huh? 1.00

09:50:35.080 Myra's an idiot. 1.00

09:50:36.000 Did I say that, 1.00

09:50:36.640 you fucking dumb faggot? 1.00

09:50:37.660 Did I say that the drugs killed him? 1.00

09:50:40.320 You stupid fucking monkey retard nigger 1.00

09:50:42.180 retard faggot 1.00

09:50:43.120 Holy shit man 1.00

09:50:45.140 Are you black? 1.00

09:50:49.920 That's all my seriously good critical thinking skills 1.00

09:50:52.520 you fucking moron 1.00

09:50:53.440 You gotta be black or Jewish 1.00

09:50:55.220 Cause honestly 1.00

09:50:56.400 no one would come in here 1.00

09:50:57.800 saying some retarded shit like that 1.00

09:50:59.440 Holy fuck 1.00

09:51:02.960 His bodybuilding diet 1.00

09:51:06.180 How you been getting all your calories in?

09:51:07.660 well i just eat whatever i want now later in the video connor's mental health problems will be put 0.99

09:51:13.000 on full display my name is stewie what the fuck bruh yeah you don't think these drugs right here 1.00

09:51:25.280 contributed to his death you stupid fuck niggas walking around saying that he's stewie 1.00

09:51:31.680 oh well well well 1.00

09:51:36.840 fucking dumbass 1.00

09:51:39.360 bro i got some idiots that be coming into the chat sometimes bro 1.00

09:51:44.600 holy man 1.00

09:51:45.920 fucking hate these retards 1.00

09:51:48.280 your calories are wrong i just eat whatever i want now 1.00

09:51:52.560 later in the video connor's mental health problems will be put on full display

09:51:55.840 my name is stewie stewie griffin and bell delphine you like this i'm about to eat some vegan macaroni

09:52:01.500 cheese vegan it's made out of plants just like your when the two guys who were filming the video

09:52:06.900 left connor's house they'd receive this call the giant zoom call the world is on a giant zoom call

09:52:11.640 please i'm begging you man i'll pay you anything please get over here yeah i'll let you know we

09:52:17.020 probably will i will give you all the money in the world it's a worldwide zoom call all right

09:52:21.980 okay now thank you uh please come back here thank you dude oh my showing that it clearly wasn't fake

09:52:28.940 In other videos, Connor appeared more sane.

09:52:31.000 However, there were still signs of mental illness,

09:52:33.060 such as this video in which he would attempt to pick up girls

09:52:35.320 by telling them that he had become God.

09:52:40.740 it. Connor's God complex would then lead him to produce even stranger videos, such as this one

09:53:01.640 titled Failing to Enlighten My Parents, in which he would sit in a Zoom call rambling

09:53:05.980 Bruh.

09:53:07.640 ...incoherently to his mother and father for an hour and a half straight.

09:53:10.880 If you truly had faith and you knew that heaven on earth existed,

09:53:13.100 that's the only thing you'd be searching for.

09:53:14.740 You wouldn't be working, you wouldn't be stressing.

09:53:18.060 All you would be doing is doing everything you can to experience heaven on earth.

09:53:21.760 Accompanying these incoherent ramblings was a complete overhaul of his Instagram

09:53:25.160 from a former aesthetic showground to a psychedelic wasteland. 0.99

09:53:28.660 He's starting to wear like costumes and shit and he's like going around at night time 0.86

09:53:32.320 doing weird stuff and he starts posting these uh... 0.86

09:53:34.660 Mario became enlightened when he realized that he is the Pixels.

09:53:38.020 You are living in the Matrix.

09:53:40.080 Connor, Zad, call me the Happy Hatter, and he's wearing some costume.

09:53:44.960 In the early days of his channel, Connor had talked about his passion for golf.

09:53:48.100 My two main, more serious sports were basketball and golf.

09:53:51.460 I played those both in high school, and I play golf in college right now.

09:53:54.300 Which would be reignited in the strangest way after he had become enlightened,

09:53:57.520 as explained by Derek from More Plates, More Dates.

09:53:59.740 I look at my DMs, and I'm in this weird group, and it's called, like,

09:54:04.660 connor's like enlightened cult or something the members of this group it's like connor

09:54:09.740 me tiger woods the pga tour team star like some like the weirdest shorgasbord combination of

09:54:17.600 individuals ever and connor is just like posting weird voice messages in his matthew mcconaughey

09:54:22.760 accent and i'm like like what are we doing here dude like what is going on and presumably his uh

09:54:28.760 enlightenment sort of led him towards the realization that he was going to win a major

09:54:35.600 golf tournament. Sirens in Bahrain, yeah, I saw. We'll talk about that after. Professionally,

09:54:42.140 as far as I understand. In the same video, Derek would go on to explain that Connor had gone so far

09:54:46.200 off the rails that he began posting his saved passwords to his public Instagram. Him showing

09:54:51.160 every single password on his phone that is saved like bro insane every single account he has in

09:55:00.160 the email associated with it so like bank of america amazon even his bang energy password

09:55:05.320 apparently derrick would then host a podcast talking about conor murphy with another youtuber

09:55:08.980 who would state that his action seemed indicative of schizophrenia that is psychotic behavior

09:55:13.200 yeah like that is very indicative of somebody with lingering mental instabilities uh such as

09:55:19.640 a family history of schizophrenia. And while it didn't seem like things could possibly get any

09:55:23.420 worse, they were about to. Connor's audience would come to find out that with every high,

09:55:27.620 there's an equivalent low after he'd upload a video simply titled Goodbye. In this video,

09:55:31.860 Connor would explain that he felt as though he was going insane, being at his quote,

09:55:35.260 mental breaking point. He'd then go on to state that he was doing anything to try and show his

09:55:49.160 family how to be happy before going on to link his address you can come here

09:56:09.000 to 1-6-7-1-0.

09:56:16.180 After posting his address in a public YouTube video,

09:56:18.920 police would pay him a visit

09:56:20.000 before taking him to a psych ward

09:56:21.620 where he would remain for two weeks.

09:56:23.240 In the process, he'd remain in contact with his best friend

09:56:25.620 who'd state that even after being put in a mental hospital,

09:56:28.380 Connor was unable to stop talking

09:56:29.560 about his spiritual enlightenment.

09:56:31.420 So Connor spent two weeks in a psych ward

09:56:33.360 and I called him every few days.

09:56:35.720 Rather, he called me and we talked every few days

09:56:38.040 and he was able to get to a point where he was able to hold a normal conversation and speak

09:56:41.780 normally. But yet one thing remained the same. The one thing that stayed the same was he just

09:56:46.620 didn't want to talk about anything other than his enlightenment and his

09:56:50.560 awakening. It seemed to be the only thing that mattered to him. After being let out of the

09:56:55.740 psych ward, Connor would upload a video titled, Yes, I'm Alive and I'm Sorry, in which he would

09:56:59.600 state that the goodbye video was all an act done for the purpose of potentially grabbing the

09:57:03.300 attention of a movie studio. However, at a later date, he'd go on to release the book that he'd

09:57:22.180 been discussing in the original Goodbye video, in which he would state that he planned on

09:57:27.600 replicating the path of Jesus by faking his death so more people could focus on his spiritual

09:57:32.220 message? What if I uncovered the true knowledge and was able to spread it to the world? What if

09:57:36.180 I thought up the most mind-blowing YouTube stunt of all time to spread it? What if I could start

09:57:39.740 to awaken other people and change the world? What if I could actually tell the modern-day story of

09:57:43.940 Jesus? I had some work to do, before showing that the psych ward did little to bring him back to

09:57:48.020 reality, in another statement reading, I recently had what the doctors called a manic episode,

09:57:52.220 and I call a spiritual awakening. Okay, I admit, there might have been some mania involved,

09:57:56.480 but I can promise you not an ounce of it was negative. Perhaps in his own mind, none of it

09:58:00.680 was negative. However, his total subscriber graph told a different story. Since he began

09:58:04.940 to lose his mind in 2020, Connor has lost over 150,000 subscribers and now barely

09:58:10.240 the gains over a million views per month. He'd also mentioned in a recent video that he didn't

09:58:20.100 have any money left. The moral of the story is that I'm broke. So if you have a business

09:58:24.380 opportunity for me, maybe you want to help me get some brand deals and make some commission.

09:58:27.720 At this point, I have zero shame and I'm open to pretty much anything.

09:58:30.660 However, he does sound fairly sarcastic, so this might have been a joke.

09:58:34.120 The silver lining to the story is that Connor has deleted almost all evidence of his crazy

09:58:37.900 spiritual phase, replacing it with fitness content as he had posted in the past.

09:58:41.860 His spiritual channel titled Connor Murphy Talks, on which he used to post incoherent

09:58:45.660 ramblings, went completely silent until one month ago, at which point Connor returned with

09:58:49.740 a normal articulate story relating to his high school days, in which he's looking and

09:58:53.500 sounding substantially healthier than he had been 12 months ago.

09:58:56.240 Almost all of his comments discuss the obvious recent improvement in Connor's life,

09:58:59.840 so hopefully his insanity was nothing more than a minor hiccup

09:59:02.880 in what will become an incredibly successful life over the long term.

09:59:26.240 to go on drugs.

09:59:43.900 He even went as far as faking his own death.

09:59:46.740 And the content that he makes now is, well, to say the least, scary.

09:59:53.620 quite honestly i don't know what he started making he teamed up with joey swall and started

09:59:58.720 going to thailand and making videos of ladyboys i'm saying we need to get you a ladyboy girlfriend

10:00:03.880 a ladyboy girl like look if that's your thing go for it but me i'm good dog i think it's a little 0.94

10:00:10.960 weird he even made gay content like fake being gay drinking another man's um let's say divine 0.98

10:00:19.520 protein shake and even drank his own piss all to get views and insane dude uh where's johnny bravo's 0.98

10:00:27.220 video here we go sorry went crazy he didn't sleep all night and the next day i guess is where he was 0.58

10:00:34.940 found on the streets where people ended up calling the police on him an american man went on a violent

10:00:39.620 rampage painting the entire interior of a luxury rental home valued at 22 million baht causing

10:00:45.280 extensive damage before running into the village lake where he drowned. His girlfriend stated

10:00:49.920 she did not know the cause, while the homeowner was shocked and never expected to encounter such

10:00:54.320 a scene. At 3 p.m. on July 7th, police lieutenant, deputy investigation officer, received a report

10:01:01.360 of a foreign man acting erratically and jumping into the lake of a luxury village in Bang, Philly

10:01:06.160 district. He, along with emergency doctors, rushed to the scene. The scene was a luxury house

10:01:11.520 situated next to a large pond. Divers were searching for the missing person before finding

10:01:16.280 the body of Connor Michael Murphy, 32, an American, about 20 meters from the shore. They recovered the

10:01:22.440 body for examination on land. No wounds or signs of assault were found. The police sent the body

10:01:27.920 for further autopsy. Reviewing video footage, a village staff member showed the foreign man

10:01:32.780 suddenly exhibiting erratic behavior without known cause. He ran and swam in the village lake until

10:01:38.160 became exhausted and submerged before witnesses' eyes. No one dared to enter the water due to its

10:01:44.000 depth of over 10 meters, so they immediately called authorities. Divers searched for about

10:01:48.760 30 minutes before locating and retrieving the body ashore. Security personnel at the village

10:01:53.960 reported that the man went out and returned by a hired vehicle, which stopped at the security

10:01:58.800 checkpoint. He offered the driver 1,000 baht, but the driver refused due to the man's abnormal

10:02:03.820 behavior. Then the man approached the resident's car passing by, knocked on the window to get a

10:02:09.520 ride inside, while security shouted, don't pick him up. The man then became agitated, shouting

10:02:15.420 loudly and rolling on the road, making gestures as if praying to God. When police patrol arrived,

10:02:21.420 he fled into the village and jumped into the lake to swim. Police called for backup and rescue teams

10:02:26.800 as they could not control him. Eventually, he exhausted himself and drowned. Miss B, 22,

10:02:32.260 the deceased's girlfriend, said they had been together for about three years but had lived

10:02:36.020 apart due to incompatible lifestyles. They had reunited less than three months ago. Before the

10:02:41.540 incident, their life was normal with no problems or signs of illness. She did not know why he

10:02:46.260 suddenly became erratic that day and never saw him use drugs during their time together.

10:02:50.500 The vandalism with paint happened during the previous night while she was asleep.

10:02:54.340 He refused to sleep. The homeowner shared her shock upon seeing the house,

10:02:58.180 which had been completely defaced with paint including electrical appliances she said she

10:03:02.740 loved and cherished the house a beautiful property by the lake she had carefully chosen the tenant

10:03:07.540 and never expected to find the house in such damaged state with furniture and decorations

10:03:12.420 all destroyed initially investigators and rescue personnel conduct and we know that he you know

10:03:18.500 was kind of keeping his house very dirty when we uh looked at it before when they showed when

10:03:22.580 that girl went to his place did an autopsy finding bruises likely caused by rolling on the road

10:03:27.780 the rescue team will send the body for further examination to determine the exact cause of death

10:03:32.900 including drug testing evidence is being collected and the american embassy in thailand has been

10:03:37.620 notified to provide information about the incident so connor was a friend of mine and i'm i'm finding

10:03:43.780 it hard to to come up with the right words and the right things i want to say but we haven't spoken

10:03:51.140 that much in in recent years just because he's changed so much

10:03:54.740 you know and did change a lot man. I think I did a podcast

10:04:00.240 with him one time. Let me see if I could last I spoke to him as

10:04:03.840 you guys all know you guys see his behavior online. It's not

10:04:07.440 how Connor used to be. It's not the Connor that I once knew

10:04:11.840 and obviously we know he's been experimenting with so many

10:04:15.540 different types of drugs and experiments on himself and I

10:04:19.340 believe that it took

10:04:21.380 Yeah.

10:04:23.920 What up, guys?

10:04:24.820 Myron Gaines here.

10:04:25.500 My boy, Connor.

10:04:26.800 Yo, five years ago, dude.

10:04:29.720 Five years ago.

10:04:32.380 An oldie but a goodie, man.

10:04:36.660 Oh, man.

10:04:39.480 This is way back in the day, man.

10:04:42.180 It's on the Fresh Fit channel. 0.99

10:04:47.720 Damn, dude. 0.99

10:04:52.140 Took over his mind and changed him from the person we all once knew. 1.00

10:04:56.540 And it's sad because 32 years old, that's a kid.

10:05:00.360 He had so much more life to live, so much more to give to people in life.

10:05:06.120 But he let, you know, his demons take over him.

10:05:12.640 Experimenting with drugs that changed him from the person we all once knew.

10:05:17.660 And think about it.

10:05:18.920 his parents have to bury him you never want to see parents bury their son and it didn't have to

10:05:26.320 be this way you know really didn't man he had it all dude he literally had it all man and it's very

10:05:34.080 painful uh to look at this and you know guy was you know had money he had the girls he had the

10:05:41.700 the fame and everything and i'm just telling you guys man like drugs will ruin it all dude

10:05:46.440 it truly will ruin it all man

10:05:49.000 you guys think I'm just like being hyperbolic

10:05:51.520 when I tell you guys like to stop 0.99

10:05:52.620 to not smoke weed and shit 0.97

10:05:54.200 or when I tell you guys not to drink 0.87

10:05:55.840 not to drink booze or stay away 0.99

10:05:58.140 like I'm not just talking out my ass man 0.99

10:06:00.960 like I know what I'm telling you guys 0.99

10:06:02.340 I'm telling you guys like to

10:06:03.180 like not ruin your life man

10:06:04.740 the fitness industry

10:06:10.480 promotes so much drug use

10:06:12.700 even more now than it ever did before

10:06:15.780 they yeah because now it's out in the open now it's all about like being transparent so like

10:06:21.520 since it's more about being transparent you don't lose sponsorships um guys use drugs more now

10:06:26.720 because it's not like a career ender you know and and by being transparent with it dude i'll tell

10:06:31.720 you this i get more young guys asking me about using drugs now than in my era like my era like

10:06:39.780 you didn't ask you didn't really ask about gear like that but now they ask about it way more

10:06:46.580 so yeah it's nuts man it's absolutely nuts

10:06:54.020 also guys i'm gonna get off rumble come on over to kick guys i'm getting off rumble guys 0.85

10:07:03.600 i gave y'all what 10 hours on rumble i'm getting off rumble it's gonna be kick only guys let's go 0.97

10:07:10.520 Rumble Niggas, come on over. 0.96

10:07:13.440 Switching right now. 1.00

10:07:15.420 The stream goes on, but we're going to go kick only.

10:07:23.620 All right.

10:07:26.100 Give you guys a minute to get ready, but we're going over to kick now. 0.99

10:07:30.140 They have a drug for literally every function of the body,

10:07:33.060 and they promote this to people. 1.00

10:07:34.520 and haven't we seen enough people in this industry die my friends some idiot named batman says 0.99

10:07:42.980 martin i could beat you in a debate about islam how about this one bro uh nobody cares i don't 1.00

10:07:47.320 debate religion get the fuck out my chat faggot time to send you to the shadow realm 1.00

10:07:53.700 the future is mine fucking faggot nobody gives a fuck about debating islam you fucking 1.00

10:08:00.680 cow fucking retard, your fucking goat fucker. 1.00

10:08:19.140 Man, I'm working overtime getting rid of these fucking retards. 1.00

10:08:23.680 Stupid ass nigga, bro. 1.00

10:08:24.920 Oh, yo, I could debate in this lab. 1.00

10:08:26.560 Get your fucking goat fucker ass out of here, nigga. 1.00

10:08:28.460 but blow up somewhere else 1.00

10:08:30.700 die i'm tired of making these videos saying one of my friends died and they were all similar

10:08:40.540 situations again this is a lesson for all of us and you know a hard lesson 32 years old conor murphy

10:08:49.880 is dead and i wish you know his friends his family i wish them the best because i know this

10:08:56.720 can't be easy so i'm sorry because this video is hard for me to make um but i want to you know

10:09:04.400 wish connor a better life you know wherever he is and wish the best to his family to his loved ones

10:09:11.840 to his friends and uh connor 32 years old rest in peace my brother

10:09:18.940 Yeah, man 0.99

10:09:23.880 Fucking tragic, bro 0.99

10:09:25.840 Really, really bad 1.00

10:09:27.620 Fuck Thailand, man 1.00

10:09:44.920 Holy shit, dude 1.00

10:09:45.880 Like, that's the second person that's died in Thailand, dude 1.00

10:09:48.500 z's died in thailand conor murphy died in thailand like what the fuck man 0.98

10:09:54.920 well look man i'm glad i was able to talk to him at least but you know you gotta you gotta um 0.98

10:10:03.520 you gotta you gotta um enjoy people while they're here bro you know

10:10:14.160 so uh let me read some of these chats here uh so i don't have them pile up too much

10:10:18.160 okay um

10:10:21.040 Maren am I late did I already did you already discuss uh Netanyahu's uh comments on Maldani

10:10:35.880 I think I did I we watched the CNN interview earlier OSSTY says finally got that Lucas Gage

10:10:41.660 playlist uh one chest talks about the 90 day uh fat loss challenge guys oss 90 day uh fat loss

10:10:47.700 challenge guys uh yeah i'm putting i'm gonna i'm putting into a thousand bucks in my own money

10:10:52.300 guys so you can guys can get in there um also friendly reminder so you aren't fat um here is 0.99

10:10:59.560 the link if you guys want to work with one chest to not be a fat piece of shit like some of you 0.94

10:11:02.940 guys are in the chat so uh jump on in uh yeah and and uh yeah locals is going to end in like two 0.92

10:11:10.680 hours i or yeah because i fucking ends in yeah all right when are you going to react to the link 0.99

10:11:16.100 i sent um i was actually going to get to it here uh in a second but you're being a faggot so now 0.99

10:11:22.040 i'm going to now i'm not going to react to it right now uh sorry dude 0.99

10:11:28.260 let's see here uh timer says uh let's see here

10:11:40.680 You're asking a million questions, dude.

10:11:47.300 Is Priya Patel hot for a G?

10:11:48.740 Are you still friendly with Laura Loomer? 1.00

10:11:50.080 We make a stream on UK Grooming Gangs.

10:11:51.760 Has Osmogold reached out and spoken to you?

10:11:55.800 If you can, as Owen, sharing text with Charlie,

10:11:57.240 praising a Fuentes meme, you should check X.

10:11:59.320 Yes, I've seen all of it.

10:12:02.120 You know, yo, this guy asked a million questions.

10:12:04.340 Bro, what do you want, bro?

10:12:06.780 This guy asked, like, seven questions in two chats.

10:12:10.680 all right uh forum says uh yo i just had a bomb dropped on me did y'all know that six

10:12:22.140 hour drop memorial turning point model for charlie guy had a sick last uh last name cohen

10:12:27.700 of course now when did charlie ever speak of sig never interesting uh deport time or

10:12:36.220 rave he's uh he's spamming an annoying yeah i'm starting to realize that starting to kind of

10:12:40.960 realize that uh does that mean speed is going to have a downfall the rich and famous argument

10:12:46.740 i hope not i hope not but uh that level of fame at his age is not good i'll tell you that

10:12:52.960 it's not good uh okay guys rumble's going down right now come on over to um uh rumble stream

10:13:00.040 going down

10:13:00.620 gonna end the Rommel stream now

10:13:04.140 come on over

10:13:06.120 ninjas

10:13:06.500 come on over to Kit guys 0.99

10:13:10.640 it's pinned

10:13:18.560 but I'll drop it one more time

10:13:20.440 for you guys in here in the chat

10:13:21.440 so yeah

10:13:26.520 I'm switching over guys 0.99

10:13:27.580 Foxuru San says, what the fuck? 0.99

10:13:30.260 Well, how about this one? You can go, what the fuck in the 1.00

10:13:32.080 shadow realm, bitch-ass nigga. 1.00

10:13:33.460 Time to send you to the shadow 1.00

10:13:36.120 realm.

10:13:37.860 The future is mine.

10:13:40.640 Yo, my patience is really

10:13:41.880 slim with ungrateful 1.00

10:13:44.040 faggots, bro. 1.00

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - July 09, 2026

Charlie Kirk Murder Hearing Day 2, RIP Connor Murphy, US Bombs Iran, Trump In Turkey, ICE Shooting!

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