The Debrief With MyronGainesX - November 02, 2025


Dave Smith And Seth Dillon Debate Nick Fuentes Becoming Mainstream


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In this episode, we talk about weed and why we should all be against it. We also talk about how stupid people are when it comes to weed and how much money they make while smoking it. We also get into why Nick is against it and why he thinks it s a waste of money.

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00:32:29.940 is their life. Weed, gaming, porn. And I think they know it's bad. I think they know there's
00:32:36.600 like some sense of guilt. And so it's interesting. I would say it's maybe an 80-20 split where 20%
00:32:42.780 say, oh, you're against weed. Not cool, man. It's just a plant. Well, you know, they're very
00:32:49.260 defensive about it, about these addictions. And I think 80% say, I know I have a problem.
00:32:55.060 Like I have a guilty conscience. I know it's bad. I know.
00:32:58.060 And I've told you guys, weed is literally the fucking devil, man.
00:33:04.080 We're losers. Why are you against weed? Because I think that...
00:33:09.960 Oh, actually, no, I never heard Nick's take on why he's against weed. You guys know my reason.
00:33:14.820 Makes it lethargic. I'm not a fan of, you know, being around a bunch of losers because most
00:33:18.740 people that smoke weed are losers. You have to get involved with the criminal underworld
00:33:22.540 to even get access to it. Right? A waste of money. Those are the reasons why I dislike it.
00:33:30.860 See what Nick's are.
00:33:32.420 That it's compromises the integrity of your mental faculties. I think there's something
00:33:37.700 deeply wrong with that. When you...
00:33:40.660 Getting high.
00:33:41.260 I'm against alcohol too. I think it's wrong to numb pain. I think pain is a part of life. I think
00:33:47.800 sobriety is like, should be experienced. And I think that weed is even worse because I think that
00:33:54.060 one, it's very dangerous. There's a lot of numbers now out of like California and Washington that
00:33:59.940 people are going to the hospital for psychosis. People are going crazy because of it.
00:34:04.100 It's also more subtle and therefore more insidious. Like you can't, you know,
00:34:07.260 I've, well, I've done it. If you have a, you know, 12 pack for breakfast, like everyone knows.
00:34:12.100 But if you take a hit off the dab pen, like nobody knows. So you can use it all the time.
00:34:17.640 Yeah. And it makes you a loser. It makes you...
00:34:21.580 Of course, one guy in the chat says, I made 160K a year selling while smoking weed. Yeah.
00:34:27.900 Imagine how much you would have made if you didn't smoke it. Some dude says, I make over 160K.
00:34:33.640 Okay. Uh, what does dumb monkey say? Let me find this shit.
00:34:39.580 I love when these one, a couple of these retards always try to make it like, 1.00
00:34:43.560 what does niggas say? I make millions of diners. I smoke weed and alcohol. Yeah. Okay.
00:34:48.460 Yovani. Sure, bro. Sure. Sure. Sure, buddy.
00:34:57.560 It's either outright lying or just saying like, Oh, I make 160K and I smoke weed every day.
00:35:01.820 Like, all right, bro. For every one person that makes six figures smoking weed every day,
00:35:06.220 there's millions that don't because of the weed. People are so fucking stupid.
00:35:11.700 And bro, I'll be honest with you, 160K a year is not that much. So shut the fuck up, nigga. 1.00
00:35:17.480 Like, bros over here are like, I make 160K a year and I smoke weed every day.
00:35:21.240 Like, imagine if you didn't smoke weed, you fucking monkey.
00:35:27.600 Imagine if you didn't, retard. 1.00
00:35:30.520 Too lazy. You know, people that are addicted to weed are not motivated, don't care about anything
00:35:37.160 other than weed. You know, there's sort of like an irony there where I used to hang out with a lot
00:35:42.000 of stoners in high school. I never smoked weed, but all my friends did. And they were so chill
00:35:49.140 and relaxed and didn't care about anything. But if you criticized weed, they would freak out and
00:35:56.460 get extremely defensive. Yes, I've noticed. Like the retard in this chat right now, 1.00
00:36:00.220 I make 160K a year smoking weed every day, bro. Stupid nigga. And that's some other idiots. It's 1.00
00:36:06.040 funny. Pull the 3.9 GPA high as fuck. Bro, how many times do I got to tell you guys that like,
00:36:11.520 school does not measure how intelligent you are? It could be a component, but guaranteed you're
00:36:18.600 probably still a retard. Right? If you insinuate that it's addictive, if you say it's a problem, 1.00
00:36:24.140 they get very like junky behavior. And so I've always hated it. I think it's disgusting.
00:36:30.860 What is porn exactly? Like describe how available is porn? What is it? I know what porn is, but like
00:36:41.100 you said, it's a huge factor in the lives of young men and a bad factor. Why?
00:36:46.740 Well, this is another thing where it's reality distortion. That's kind of the theme. Just like
00:36:55.260 psychedelics distort reality, just like a kind of internet society is a form of delusion. So is porn 1.00
00:37:02.620 in the sense that, you know, a lot of people maybe don't realize, and we talked about this a little
00:37:08.700 bit, people are getting turned on to porn when they're like 10 years old. And it's when you are
00:37:16.220 going through puberty, when you're developing your sexual faculties, how could you stay away from
00:37:22.140 that? Every kid has a phone, every kid has an iPad, and every iPad and phone is, if you, you know,
00:37:29.500 if you know what it is, loaded up with porn. And it's infinite, and it's ubiquitous, and it's,
00:37:35.460 you can get every, it's free, the kind of it you want, whenever you want, it's in your pocket.
00:37:41.020 And so something that is almost never talked about is that this is a generation that's totally
00:37:45.900 sexually dysfunctional, I think, because of pornography. And some people are able to cope with
00:37:52.060 it. Some people don't have a problem. But I think a lot of people, and maybe even a small
00:37:57.360 minority, have a serious problem with it. And lots of young men are addicted to it. And here's 0.94
00:38:02.940 the other thing, too, you guys got to understand. The reason why so many guys love porn nowadays is
00:38:07.820 because the access to it is so fucking easy. It used to be it because you used to have to put on
00:38:12.460 a trench coat and go to the fucking store and get the magazine or the VHS. You know what I mean?
00:38:17.840 Dudes have to show their faces, right? But now, you can just, like, get porn from your house
00:38:25.140 without anyone knowing. You have to show your face before, man. Go into the fucking store with
00:38:32.820 your trench coat and your hat on. Shit. Now, you can just get that shit from the comfort of your home
00:38:40.060 anywhere. Stream that shit in 4K. Nuts.
00:38:43.260 What does it make people sexually dysfunctional? I think that it's impossible for a...
00:38:49.800 And, you know, all the losers in my chat that are, like, talking about how weed is great and
00:38:53.140 I'm just a loser for talking about it. Bro, I don't know why you guys are watching me then.
00:38:56.520 Go watch some of these other potheads. But you guys are watching me because you guys know
00:38:59.840 I'm telling the truth when it comes to this shit. And being realistically speaking,
00:39:03.640 I don't know anyone that's, like, a super high performer that smokes weed every day.
00:39:06.800 Are there going to be people out there that could do it? Sure. But the reality is a majority
00:39:10.540 of people that smoke weed every single day are fucking losers. You guys don't like hearing
00:39:14.280 that? But it's the truth. Don't fucking sit there and make the dumbass female argument 1.00
00:39:17.740 that, well, I'm good, I make money, and I smoke weed every day. That's your dumb monkey ass. 0.98
00:39:23.240 But the majority of people that smoke weed every day are fucking degenerate losers that
00:39:26.460 can't stop. Also, don't use your dumbass GPA in college or in high school about you being
00:39:32.140 a pothead and still making it. Going to school and college in general and your grades
00:39:37.800 does not reflect your IQ. Okay? If that were true, women wouldn't be functionally fucking 1.00
00:39:42.820 retarded. But a lot of them are. Even though they have higher grades than men and they graduate 1.00
00:39:46.160 at higher rates. Why? Because school teaches you how to be a better slave, stupid fuck. 1.00
00:39:50.880 Oh, sit with your hands folded like this. Raise your hand when you want to speak.
00:39:54.200 Ask permission to go to the bathroom. Right? Can you sit still and memorize a bunch of shit?
00:39:58.680 Women are better at that. Yeah. 1.00
00:40:00.220 The education system is female-run, gynocentrically centered. It's designed for fucking followers. 1.00
00:40:09.000 And guess whose followers? Women, dumbass. So you sitting there and telling me, oh, well, 1.00
00:40:14.040 I got good grades. Hey. Congratulations. You're still a retard. You got high grades in a female 1.00
00:40:21.140 institution. And let me tell y'all niggas something real quick. I hate when you guys try to flex 1.00
00:40:24.460 school. I go to a better school than 99% of you niggas talk of shit. Northeast University has 1.00
00:40:28.860 like damn near a 5% acceptance rate. But I still sit here and I'll tell you guys college
00:40:33.460 is a fucking scam. So don't get it twisted. I'm not one of these guys that like didn't
00:40:36.040 go to college and has a fucking chip on my shoulder. I went to a very prestigious school
00:40:39.480 and graduated. Just so you guys fucking know, here, for some of you stupid ass niggas, Northeastern 1.00
00:40:53.760 has a 5% acceptance rate. That's Ivy League pretty much. Okay. This is a lower acceptance
00:41:01.840 rate than some of the top Ivy League schools. So don't fucking sit here and talk to me about
00:41:07.920 college and GPAs and all this other bullshit. And I was a D1 athlete. So shut the fuck up.
00:41:13.300 And I'm the first person to tell you guys college is a fucking scam. So don't use the
00:41:17.740 excuse of I get good grades. I got a 3.5. A lot of you niggas go to retarded ass fucking 1.00
00:41:23.380 schools. Retarded ass fucking state schools with like a 50% acceptance rate talking about 1.00
00:41:30.020 I get good grades. Shut the fuck up. It's all cope. It's all fucking cope. Honestly, if we're
00:41:36.400 going to be all the way a thousand, college is easier than high school. College is easier
00:41:44.160 than fucking high school. Hot take, but I truly do think so. Why? Because you pick
00:41:49.180 the classes that you want. You go to class when you want. A lot of the times it's fucking
00:41:55.760 papers. You're writing theses and shit. So I would argue that college is actually easier
00:42:03.340 than high school. So all you fucking retards that want to sit here and talk about and use 1.00
00:42:08.560 your grades as an excuse as to why you're still functioning as a pothead, that's not a good
00:42:12.360 excuse. And this is coming from someone that went to the top schools. So save that shit
00:42:16.840 for somebody else. You're not fooling me with that bullshit. Fucking retards, bro. Holy shit. 1.00
00:42:24.540 I get good grades in college. Well, guess what? You go to a shitty state school, like a 50% acceptance
00:42:29.320 rate. Shut the fuck up, dummy. Shut the fuck up. 1.00
00:42:33.560 woman to compete with the availability and the novelty of pornography. College has basically 0.97
00:42:41.560 morphed into a way for people to become degenerates for four years. It's a socially acceptable
00:42:48.280 way to be a fucking degenerate for four years. That's what college has basically become. And
00:42:53.380 no one likes to admit that shit.
00:42:56.380 Your fee. A real woman, uh, you know, like without getting graphic is she's only one person 1.00
00:43:05.480 and you know, she's, maybe she wants to do something sexual. Maybe she doesn't. Porn is.
00:43:14.360 Why is this loser fucking putting a bunch of caps? This checkmate Supreme guy. What a fucking
00:43:19.760 retard. Bro, get the fuck out of my chat, nigga. Get the fuck out of here. 1.00
00:43:25.120 You trying, you're going to say I'm capping out because I went to Northeast University,
00:43:27.680 you fucking retard. The fuck? 1.00
00:43:30.740 You could have a hundred different women in one. Man, I hate stupid people, bro. God damn.
00:43:36.120 Sitting, doing anything that whatever, whatever niche or. Yes, alcohol is trash too. Alcohol is
00:43:44.280 for fucking losers as well. Agreed.
00:43:45.960 The idiosyncratic thing a person might be into, it's there. And so I think that novelty combined
00:43:53.000 with that availability, it makes it so that, you know, when you think about courting a woman,
00:43:59.620 juice isn't worth the squeeze. And so there's like also a problem of like erectile dysfunction,
00:44:05.000 people that can't enjoy regular sex because it does not compare to the intensity, the novelty,
00:44:11.240 and the availability of porn. It's hyper stimulation. And so I think that's sabotaging a lot of normal
00:44:19.040 sexual relationships. It seems like it's making a lot of people gay too. Yeah. And trans. You think
00:44:24.220 that's true? A hundred percent. What is that? I think that the novelty is a huge part of that.
00:44:31.500 I think that if you are somebody that uses pornography multiple times per day, which many
00:44:36.520 people do. Actually? Oh, absolutely. That's a lot of jerking off. It's a huge problem. Yeah. And,
00:44:43.820 you know, if you're doing that multiple times a day, every day for years, since you're a kid,
00:44:49.480 well, eventually you, you get bored and you want to move on to something more extreme. And you're kind of,
00:44:56.560 it's operates, I think, similar to like a drug. You, you kind of have the same kind of resistance to it
00:45:01.760 that you would to a drug or a tolerance for it. And you're always chasing that initial feeling the
00:45:09.180 first time you used it, or the first time you saw a certain thing. And I think eventually you just
00:45:13.200 chase more taboo, more transgressive. And I think maybe some people are more prone to that than other
00:45:19.680 people going in this really extreme direction. No, this is how Charlie Sheen got AIDS, actually. Yeah.
00:45:23.640 Yeah. Yeah. Through just being jaded and looking for something more transgressive.
00:45:28.720 That's just a fact. And there's something too about what it does when you look at it,
00:45:34.960 when you, because people don't realize that it is a fundamentally different experience
00:45:39.120 being involved in intercourse versus watching other people have intercourse. And I think that
00:45:47.460 actually does something to you. Tell me. Well, we got so many cucks nowadays.
00:45:51.040 All right. Let's get into this fucking loser. As you guys can see, good interview guys. I encourage
00:45:58.900 you guys all to go watch it between Tucker and Nick, but people like Seth Dillon are losing
00:46:05.700 their minds over this, right? And there's been several people that have been angry about this
00:46:09.620 interview that was done for jealousy or lack or whatever else reasons. Lavelle says,
00:46:16.980 these motherfuckers worse than after our dumb bitches. I'm telling you, bro. That man says, 1.00
00:46:23.600 yeah, Myron is right. Doing good in school doesn't really mean you're smart. Absolutely.
00:46:26.640 There are women who have bachelor's degrees and still can't name three countries, logic and 1.00
00:46:29.540 reasoning and being able to critically think and being curious are traits of a hierarchy
00:46:32.460 individual. Absolutely, bro. A lot of idiots that have college degrees, bro.
00:46:37.060 Fuckers so weak, minding and self-unaware that they make arguments and excuse to justify the fact
00:46:41.780 they're controlled by a plant that literally turns them into slow retards. Absolutely, bro. 1.00
00:46:44.480 And the thing is, is like you get addicted to that shit. Potheads will always sit there and tell
00:46:48.560 you that they're not addicted to it, but they really are, bro. Niggas are. They just don't want 1.00
00:46:51.560 to admit it.
00:46:56.700 AF Crusader says, makes no sense why these idiots are in here defending a substance abuse when you
00:47:02.280 are all pushing a real ass narrative that elevates men, work out, dress well, read, educate yourself,
00:47:06.580 stay sober, build your empire, control your lust and be a fucking man. Yeah, bro. Drugs are for losers.
00:47:11.060 Alcohol and drugs are for losers. If you guys don't like that, go watch some other loser
00:47:14.240 ass YouTuber niggas that are going to sit there and tell you let's gamble and do drugs and drink 1.00
00:47:17.680 and that's fucking degeneracy. Johnny311duck, my bad brother, no worse. The man says, I never
00:47:24.840 smoked weed. I always thought it was for retarded people with no motivation. Weed makes you less 1.00
00:47:27.980 productive. Only people that are successful that made it had the privilege to smoke weed. But even
00:47:32.500 then, nobody should be putting that bullshit in their body because it's counterproductive to the
00:47:35.480 grind and becoming the best version of it. Absolutely, my friend. Guys, in gardening weeds,
00:47:39.880 just take nutrients from other more useful plants. Yeah, do nothing beneficial. Weed is the same
00:47:45.200 chin of smoke if you're not making seven figures passively at least. Yeah, man. Yeah. And it's
00:47:50.060 always the idiots that sit there that like are already successful that want to sit there and say, 0.72
00:47:53.320 I smoke weed every day. Shut up, nigga. Nick is correct, but weed inducing psychosis. One of my
00:48:00.760 best friend lost his mind in 2021, 2022. He thought he was telepathic. He said he told me things and I
00:48:06.480 knew them because he was telepathic. He was also telepathic with music rappers. Funny, but scared
00:48:10.040 to see him that way. Nick is correct about weed inducing a psychosis. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure, bro.
00:48:18.640 So my grandma watched the old cowboy shows on cable just so I asked PCA type advertised
00:48:24.120 him asking for people to donate money to struggling Jews. Of course. Was Tucker being a contrarian to
00:48:29.740 safe face or was he actually nagging and sermoning Nick with the Bible? I don't know.
00:48:33.000 Oh slash griper zero. Cool dude. Appreciate you guys. Shadow licks says you're rolling 0.91
00:48:39.140 awakening. The masses are priceless. Thank you. God says, I don't think it's black fatigue. I think
00:48:43.640 OK, we got that one from before. Lavelle says I never smoke. We need a poll who actually watches
00:48:50.640 YouTube. I think even the regular OSS wouldn't mind if we never use YouTube. They make the show
00:48:55.300 suck saying dumb shit and trolling because you have to point them out. The clip team can put
00:49:00.360 clips of each show on JTube. Damn, you guys really don't want me to be on YouTube no more.
00:49:07.040 Well, yeah, we do got a lot of retards in YouTube chat. You guys got to remember, bro, 1.00
00:49:09.760 a lot of these niggas in YouTube chat are normies. You know what I mean? They just they watch Mr. 1.00
00:49:13.800 Beast and, you know, Abba and Preacher shit like that. Like they're normies, bro. You know
00:49:18.720 what I mean? They're normies. But they're here for obvious reasons because the people they watch
00:49:24.340 can't give them the answers that we give them over here. He's bigger than ever right now. It's
00:49:29.900 just undeniable. Tucker was so good when you have Democrats on leftist liberals that he disagreed
00:49:35.280 with. He would ridicule and refute their ideas and they stopped coming back because they were
00:49:39.120 so embarrassed. I'd like to see Tucker do that with the right. Why isn't he doing that? The only
00:49:42.880 conclusion, the only reasonable conclusion that you can draw for not challenging Nick in more
00:49:46.480 substantive ways is that he said Dylan is such a bitch. He also has me blocked because he's a
00:49:50.700 fucking pussy. Bro is literally the biggest bitch on media. Oh, and if you're wondering 1.00
00:49:55.560 I know it's hard to believe it's the whole forest, not one tree and it's every branch and leaves
00:50:18.400 they're born to the sea. Yeah. Seth Dillon is a Jew, chat. He is a Jew. 0.98
00:50:24.360 Doesn't disagree with him. He's a Christian Jew. I want to know why Tucker is trying to mainstream 1.00
00:50:29.480 Nick Fuentes. There's no evidence that Tucker was trying to mainstream Nick Fuentes. What happened
00:50:35.380 here is Nick Fuentes became main. Thomas Rushmore says my dad is a my my friend's dad is a millionaire
00:50:42.180 who smokes weed, but his personal life is terrible and he's always paranoid. Even if you're one of the
00:50:46.320 few who can make money, it'll hurt you in other parts of your life. OK, Dodgers won the World
00:50:50.000 Series L.A. acting like animals again. Not surprised. Los Angeles is probably going to burn
00:50:54.260 down, bro. And it's crazy because all these idiots that like, you know, make their life
00:50:59.500 about sports like, bro. Yo, sports is for losers, guys. Imagine watching other men pursue and chase 0.99
00:51:09.220 their dreams while you sit there like a loser cheering them niggas on facing their dreams while 0.99
00:51:13.760 you sit there and continue to exist in a fucking obscurity. Absolutely nuts. That's why I stopped
00:51:21.000 watching sports. I'm like, damn, like I'm out here watching these niggas chase their dreams 1.00
00:51:23.760 while I'm being a fucking loser over here. Fuck that. I might as well make myself smarter.
00:51:31.680 Hollow Point says mine. I noticed that the J chick keeps showing up to your street interviews. 1.00
00:51:35.700 Yeah, she probably does. She probably does do some bullshit, man. And them niggas hate me, 1.00
00:51:39.460 bro. They follow me everywhere I go. They're all from the same stupid temple down the street. 1.00
00:51:44.800 Faj with the book with the with the books.
00:51:50.640 In the stream for all the people, by the way, who are so upset that Candace and Nick
00:51:54.800 Quintas have become so huge. You have no one but yourself to blame for that. It's all over 1.00
00:51:58.980 the Israel issue, man. They were against this destruction of Gaza.
00:52:02.180 Yep. Got no one to blame but yourself, bitches. I think you supporting Israel's destruction of Gaza 1.00
00:52:08.860 is substantially worse than any of his views.
00:52:17.520 Benjamin Netanyahu's decision to order powerful strikes on Gaza has again thrown the ceasefire
00:52:22.780 into doubt. This flare up may pass, but the underlying issues remain the same. Anger on one side that Hamas 0.93
00:52:28.700 is still at large. Anger on the other that Israel can effectively switch to missiles on or off
00:52:33.820 currently with the backing of the United States. It all feels depressingly familiar.
00:52:38.460 And the same can be said of the debates currently rolling digital culture.
00:52:42.180 From the rise of Mamdani to the never-ending frenzy over Charlie Kirk's allegiances
00:52:46.420 and the sudden prevalence of Nick Fuentes, there is a very consistent theme.
00:52:50.920 Well, joining me to debate all this are two not at all depressingly familiar contributors.
00:52:54.420 First of all, Dave Smith, the host of Part of the Problem with Dave Smith, and Seth Dillon,
00:52:59.600 CEO of the Babylon Bee. Welcome to both of you. Let me start by saying, Dave Smith, there is a lot
00:53:06.260 of misinformation, deliberate disinformation, conspiracy theories, analysis of conspiracy theories,
00:53:13.900 flying around cyberspace in all guises. It's becoming, before we get into the weeds of any of this
00:53:20.140 stuff, it is becoming increasingly difficult for somebody who's not absolutely at top speed
00:53:26.020 in dissecting and disseminating all this to work out what is true and what isn't.
00:53:31.840 Yeah, I think that that is true. But I also think that it's probably easier than it's been in the past.
00:53:39.820 And the reason we're in this moment now is partially the technological advances and just the fact that
00:53:46.640 lots of people can have shows and we have social media and they can communicate in that way.
00:53:51.100 But also that the establishment, the corporate media, and the government have been caught lying
00:53:58.540 about every major crisis of the 21st century. And you just can't, there's only so many you can go through.
00:54:04.300 And we can all in our minds are rattling them off right now. If you go to WMDs or you go to, you know,
00:54:10.680 COVID, I mean, my God, they locked the entire country down.
00:54:13.800 Joe Biden wasn't senile. And so, you know, the thing that's interesting is that there are actually
00:54:19.640 tons of conspiracy theories that just don't get called that. What was Russiagate, Pierce?
00:54:25.860 Was that not a conspiracy theory? What was the idea that Iraq, Iran, and North Korea were all
00:54:33.900 involved in 9-11? The only thing those three countries had in common was that they had absolutely
00:54:38.180 nothing to do with Al-Qaeda. And so, you know, there have been so many conspiracy theories that have
00:54:43.180 been pushed from the top that now I think we are in a place where people just don't believe
00:54:47.980 anything. And so on all sides, they're more quick to jump onto conspiracies.
00:54:54.600 But that's the point, isn't it, Seth Dillon, is that people are finding it increasingly hard to know
00:54:59.360 what to believe. I don't disagree with Dave's assessment that social media in particular,
00:55:03.920 and look, people like us who do our own thing now, that you can hold everything to proper account,
00:55:10.780 you can debate this freely, you can reveal where corporate and government and media,
00:55:16.120 mainstream media narratives have been clearly demonstrably wrong. That is all true.
00:55:20.880 But it does feel like, particularly with AI, with deepfakes and all this kind of thing,
00:55:24.560 in sophisticated hands, the ability to completely con people now in a very convincing way is
00:55:32.340 becoming much easier and more dangerous. Yeah, well, I agree with what both you just said and
00:55:38.800 what Dave said that, you know, obviously, there's been... Kevin sounds like a fucking loser too. I've
00:55:43.800 never actually heard him speak like on a microphone before like this. Dude sounds like a fucking loser.
00:55:50.120 conspiracy theories that came true. There's been things that were conspiracy theories that were
00:55:54.880 presented as truth. There's a lot of distrust and a lot of distrust is well founded. It's rooted in
00:56:00.700 something. It's rooted in something real. One of the reasons I've been such a strong proponent of
00:56:04.480 free speech is so that we actually have the freedom to push back. Bro, you're literally complaining
00:56:09.320 because Nick went on Tucker and you're saying you're a proponent of free speech. What the fuck are you
00:56:12.820 talking about? On false narratives, things that we shouldn't believe, things that aren't true,
00:56:19.500 things that aren't well founded. We need the freedom to actually hash these things out and
00:56:23.420 have a conversation, have a debate about them. I think debate is the best way to get to the truth.
00:56:27.960 Yeah, you don't debate. You just block niggas because you always get cooked. 1.00
00:56:30.440 Do think though, which, you know, this may be a point where me and Dave disagree, maybe not,
00:56:36.100 is that, you know, a lot of people are exploiting the distrust to engage in a sort of kind of radical
00:56:42.600 conspiracism where, you know, it's not really... Some conspiracies are more reasonable than others.
00:56:47.700 Some are just attempts to try to find any dots that you can find that might possibly be connected
00:56:52.620 in some way in order to vilify somebody that you don't like and reach some kind of predetermined
00:56:57.120 conclusion. We're using a reasoning method that's kind of like the inverse of Occam's razor,
00:57:00.800 where instead of like the simplest, most straightforward explanation is probably the
00:57:04.180 best. We're going for, you know, whatever is the most convoluted and hardest to falsify
00:57:08.920 and that cast your enemies in the worst possible light. That's what we're going with is the truth.
00:57:13.400 I think that's a very cynical play. I think it's very dishonest. And so there is a sense,
00:57:17.540 in which the conspiratorial stuff, which has some legitimacy to it in some cases,
00:57:22.520 has been overdone and exploited.
00:57:26.500 Yeah, I don't disagree with that at all. You know, a good example, actually, is I had a bit
00:57:31.880 of a falling out with Elon Musk a year or so ago about Alex Jones. And his initial position
00:57:37.560 about Jones was his deliberate defamation of the Sandy Hook families and the subsequent
00:57:43.120 of a ward of it. Bro, that shit was so long ago, man. These dudes are still have there
00:57:46.960 are still complaining about Sandy Hook, man. Damn. Billion dollars. It's like, bro, he
00:57:51.340 apologized, man. He made a mistake. Like, why do people care? Like, bro, Pierce, you told
00:57:55.740 people to go get the fucking COVID vaccine. You were fucking, you know, supporting Israel 0.99
00:58:01.840 during their genocide. And then you changed your mind. Like, bro, people can change their minds
00:58:04.860 and change, man. What the fuck? Because, yeah, Pierce Morgan made a big deal about Alex Jones
00:58:09.680 coming back to X. I was against him, that his trampling on the grades of children, as
00:58:16.920 Elon put it himself, disqualified him from having an active account on X because he would
00:58:21.400 just continue to make hundreds of millions of dollars by pouring fuel onto the pain of
00:58:26.240 these families. And I agreed. And then he reversed that decision and let Alex Jones come back.
00:58:31.620 And, you know, whatever people think about free speech. Yeah, he apologized, dude.
00:58:36.040 He apologized. And the fact that, like, people still, like, are butthurt over this shit
00:58:39.580 is crazy to me. To me, if you've got a billion dollar defamation, Dave Smith, against you
00:58:45.000 for doing it the way that he did to those families, where they proved in the court case that he made
00:58:51.140 hundreds of millions of dollars almost every time he went on a tear about this being staged and set up
00:58:58.140 and they were actors and no kids got killed and so on. You know, I just think there have to be some
00:59:02.920 limits, don't they? I mean, otherwise, the First Amendment, none of it means anything.
00:59:10.120 Well, I mean, you know, to your point about Elon Musk, yeah, he definitely, he said that and then
00:59:14.660 he went back on it and he never exactly made it clear why he had changed his mind from that.
00:59:19.620 He also said at one point at the beginning that everybody would be reinstated. Nobody would be
00:59:25.240 banned from Twitter except for people violating the law. But yet there still were several people who
00:59:30.020 were banned who weren't let back on or people who were shadow banned. So there has been a little
00:59:34.500 bit of a convoluted message there. That being said, there's really no question that the censorship
00:59:41.480 of the previous Twitter regime was much, much worse. Way worse. Than this one. And so on net,
00:59:48.560 I think we've had more protection of free speech. So I'm not really making it my thing to criticize
00:59:52.860 him for that, but it's a fair enough point. You know, with the Alex Jones thing, I think he was very
00:59:56.980 wrong for what he did with Sandy Hook. I think he's acknowledged and apologized for that. I also
01:00:02.780 do think that waving that settlement around isn't quite as good evidence as you might think,
01:00:07.800 because that was kind of crazy and unprecedented. And it did certainly seem like the Sandy Hook
01:00:13.340 thing was used to take Alex Jones out. And what concerned me a lot more than look, there are wild
01:00:21.180 conspiracy theories. I more or less agree with Seth there. And I certainly agree with his spirit that
01:00:25.960 debate is the antidote to this. I mean, this is why I feel an obligation. You know, I go on a lot
01:00:30.520 of big shows and I say, I think it's like this. It's not like this. And I feel an obligation that
01:00:34.960 I got to back that up then. And so I do a lot of debates on all the topics that I talk about.
01:00:39.700 So I agree with that. But just talking about the Alex Jones situation, the reason why I don't think
01:00:44.180 he should be kicked off these platforms, or I should say this, I'm much less concerned about a guy
01:00:50.280 spouting conspiracy theories than I am about iTunes, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, all these
01:00:57.680 organizations all colluding together to essentially unperson somebody, which is what they did with Alex
01:01:03.260 Jones. And I don't buy that it was really over the Sandy Hook thing. It was years later. They just
01:01:07.980 kind of use that because it was the best example that would kind of be indefensible to most people,
01:01:12.540 which it is. But that... Yeah, I mean, the fact that he owes a billion dollars, like, come on, bro.
01:01:18.540 That's absolutely fucking nuts. Absolutely fucking nuts. Doesn't make sense whatsoever.
01:01:24.400 A billion dollars, man. And it's like, I think it's like 1.2 billion or some crazy shit like that.
01:01:29.500 Fucking crazy. Actually concerns me a lot more. The idea of like these few companies who essentially
01:01:36.720 control the public square and have been caught being in bed with the federal government that
01:01:42.380 they can decide who has a voice and who doesn't, I think that is a real threat to a free, open society.
01:01:47.760 Big facts. Well, the biggest example of that, Seth, was, of course, Donald Trump,
01:01:52.060 who was banned by almost every social media platform. But most of those platforms continue
01:01:56.780 to allow accounts by the Ayatollah of Iran, Vladimir Putin, President Xi, and others. And it was like a
01:02:02.820 preposterous double standard where the leader of the free world was the one who got censored.
01:02:07.600 Like most of you, I've been through the ringer with health scares affecting loved ones.
01:02:14.060 I have personal experience with this where, you know, I was, I was recently part of one of
01:02:20.940 these conspiracies where I was named as someone involved in a conspiracy, you know, this specifically
01:02:25.280 this conspiracy about what happened in the Hamptons with Charlie Kirk and was he blackmailed?
01:02:30.120 And was there all this money offered? And then when the money was turned down, he winds up dead.
01:02:33.440 My name was brought up over and over and over again as being in the room and being part of
01:02:37.680 those discussions and being involved in blackmailing Charlie Kirk. And I'm literally receiving death
01:02:42.400 threats as a result of that. I had somebody who was just arrested recently out in Houston, Texas,
01:02:46.180 who has, who was threatening to kill me because they believe that I played a role in Charlie Kirk's
01:02:51.160 murder. And so, you know, I personal experience with defamation and conspiracies targeted at somebody
01:02:57.720 to make them out to be a villain. But I still don't want to see the people, you know, I still
01:03:03.980 want to see free discourse. I want, I want people to have the right to be wrong. In the, in the case of
01:03:09.080 defamation, you know, individuals have recourse where they can file suit if they want to and claim that they
01:03:14.620 were defamed and say, you know, these are false statements. They were made with malice. You can make
01:03:18.660 those claims. I don't think that because someone has done that, you know, that you should take away
01:03:24.420 their right to speak altogether. I don't think that censorship is the answer. Um, there is recourse
01:03:28.920 for individuals in those cases. Well, well, the thing about Alex Jones to remember and why they
01:03:33.620 made the award as big as it was was he wasn't just making a bit of money by doing what he was doing
01:03:39.120 to those families. And in relation to your point, Seth, about you receiving death threats, Sandy Hook
01:03:44.500 family still mourning the murder of their kids at school started getting threats, started being abused in
01:03:50.000 the street. People were turning up at the graveside, urinating on tombstones of their
01:03:54.460 children, right? It was despicable and it was being done quite deliberately, Alex Jones' campaign here
01:04:00.320 because they showed in court, he was literally making hundreds of millions of dollars. Every time
01:04:06.980 he talked about this on air, they saw the spike of the revenue pouring into him. So that's why they made
01:04:13.480 the award as big as it was. And I, I, you know, to me where it's an interesting thing, where is the
01:04:18.640 line about who you platform? For example, there are the free speech purists who say everyone should
01:04:24.720 be platformed. You know, I, yeah, I think everybody should be platformed. Put it this way. I've never
01:04:30.300 had Nick Fuentes on Tucker Carlson just did a one-on-one with Nick Fuentes. It's been very controversial,
01:04:36.280 but I have sat with serial killers and psychopaths. Yeah, but you won't sit with Nick Fuentes or you are
01:04:42.180 reluctant to give even, even for me, guys, they were nervous about putting me on, you know, but
01:04:47.860 they'll sit there and talk with like the most deplorable people like Vlad, for example, DJ Vlad
01:04:51.940 literally sits there and talks with criminals all day, right? So that's kind of where we are now.
01:05:00.740 You know what I'm saying? That's where we are. So, man.
01:05:06.760 Very dangerous, mass murderers and so on for crime documentaries and people rightly,
01:05:11.720 say to me, well, hang on, you're giving a serial killer a platform. Why would you not let Nick
01:05:17.840 Fuentes on? Exactly. And it's an interesting question. So, I mean, Dave, for you, what do you
01:05:24.580 make of Tucker Carlson platforming Nick Fuentes? Should people like Nick Fuentes have free unfettered
01:05:32.400 platforming across anywhere that people want to have them? Should there be any limits to people
01:05:37.360 in terms of giving them a platform? Well, I mean, I think that's a decision for anybody to make of
01:05:43.720 who they want to talk to. I mean, I believe in freedom of association. You know, by the way,
01:05:47.640 if you look at the numbers, I'm not so sure it wasn't Nick Fuentes platforming Tucker. And I mean
01:05:51.900 this with like, I love Tucker. He's a good friend of mine. But look, the fact, the one that makes it
01:05:56.340 particularly ridiculous with this Nick Fuentes thing, and I agree with you too, by the way, you know,
01:06:00.680 I've talked to all types of people. I've had conversations with communists on my show and
01:06:04.780 socialists. And weirdly, like that never seems to be an issue, which is, it's just very strange
01:06:10.160 in a way because. All right, guys, we're going to switch over to party. Okay. Party.com slash
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01:06:22.920 And also I'm going to be live on OSS as well. You guys already know OSS has everything.
01:06:27.500 But as you guys know, I'm working on a party, especially on weekends.
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