The Debrief With MyronGainesX - DEBATE： Who Is A Bigger Obstacle To Peace？ Israelis Or Palestinians？ Destiny vs Myron!

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00:09:48.100 all right can you guys hear me now yep y'all should be able to hear me okay i think the

00:09:58.800 audience should be able to hear me too um let's see if we got uh you guys i think we're good

00:10:04.920 uh chat give me ones if you guys can hear destiny now testing one two can am i heard hello hello

00:10:11.700 hello i think they might be able to hear you bro i think we're good um let me see here though

00:10:17.200 there i'm seeing ones someone said a double audio i don't know if it's coming for me though

00:10:21.620 they might hear from your end destiny i don't know

00:10:25.860 hello hello

00:10:29.160 yeah i got uh yeah i got the obs no i'm screen sharing on obs uh bills

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00:10:39.060 okay they're saying you might have two tabs open destiny i don't know

00:10:43.900 nope it can't be on my end because eli only hits me once right

00:10:46.980 i only hear you once yeah i can hear you a little bit but i think i'm okay i mean

00:10:52.700 uh all right audio is fine chat give me ones if everything's okay to the the fucking idiots uh that 0.94

00:10:59.320 are crying in chat fuck them give me ones if the you guys can hear destiny ellie good and we could 0.97

00:11:03.460 go ahead and have this goddamn debate give me ones if we're good i see ones mostly in chat so i think 0.77

00:11:08.140 we're good bills can you tune into the the debate and let me know

00:11:12.140 all right bro i appreciate that all right cool all right i think we're good i see mostly ones all

00:11:23.140 right i'll get off thanks bills appreciate it bro apologize for that guy sorry um this um software

00:11:29.020 that we're using i've never used it once before before so obviously i'm not set up for it but but i

00:11:34.120 think we're good now cool no is there a way to make yourself a tad quieter like a little itty bitty

00:11:39.420 bit yeah i can is that better yeah all right yeah yeah i turned myself down a bit

00:11:46.660 okay perfect you're ready to go second time lucky yeah yeah i think we're good man this this uh

00:11:54.800 riverside thing sucks no offense ellie no worries don't worry i didn't make it okay uh get started 0.81

00:12:01.400 today i'm hosting a debate with political commentators stephen bonnell otherwise known

00:12:06.060 as destiny and mayron games we're going to be discussing the israel-palestine conflict

00:12:10.300 specifically on the question of whose side is the big obstacle to peace i think there's two parts of

00:12:16.120 this debate uh there's the historical side looking at who started the conflict and let it become

00:12:20.260 the size it is currently and there's also looking at the situation today and asking whose fault is it

00:12:24.820 that there currently is no peace process uh mayron can we start with you who would you blame for lack

00:12:29.800 of peace in israel-palestine conflict and in that question and this is very important can you define

00:12:34.340 peace yeah i mean look both parties have had their issues with um you know coming to an agreement with

00:12:40.520 peace you know i'd be lying if i sat here and just said it was only the israelis but i would argue that

00:12:44.660 the israelis are have been far more uh counterproductive to the peace process um than the palestinians 0.96

00:12:50.600 have been um they've been negotiating in bad faith since the beginning uh it was never about actually

00:12:55.520 having peace it's been about having um you know basically colonization and taking over by any

00:13:01.620 means necessary and feigning diplomacy in order to do that by themselves some more time um this has

00:13:06.300 been going on since they first came in in the 1800s uh with you know starting with the peal commission

00:13:11.420 working all the way up until the abraham of course so what we have going on now with their latest

00:13:15.600 bombing of qatar everything they've done has been in bad faith uh and i can kind of go through each

00:13:21.140 uh one of those but i don't know how do you want to do it if you want to do it around but that's my

00:13:25.220 general overall synopsis of the situation every single deal has been in bad faith the israelis

00:13:30.840 never wanted a two-state solution that's been sabotaged several times about benjamin nanyahu which

00:13:34.680 i'll go into more detail um and um any type of effort for peace um has been sabotaged and or and or done

00:13:43.800 in bad faith um to include all the way up until modern times it's been going on since the 30s

00:13:49.240 and how how would you define peace is that two-state solution one state solution um it could

00:13:54.860 be either or um you know i i understand the strengths and weaknesses of both um but giving

00:14:00.560 the palestinians some type of um right to self-determination and real sovereignty versus 0.99

00:14:05.800 the bs autonomy that they give them where they actually don't have any real freedom um i think

00:14:10.740 that's the way to peace um recognizing them as um as equals which they don't uh israel is an apartheid 0.80

00:14:16.520 state it's i think it's pretty clear now at this point that it is uh despite the fact that they

00:14:20.920 claim that they have two million palestinians that live under their rule um these palestinians are not 1.00

00:14:25.620 um treated the same and they're still they still face discrimination and racism even within israel as

00:14:31.380 full-fledged citizens and that doesn't even account for the other millions of palestinians

00:14:34.560 that live in the west bank and gaza that are being occupied uh steven do you want to answer the

00:14:40.040 question as well um whose fault do you think is and and and what would you define as peace and then i guess

00:14:44.800 what we can do is go back to history because maron said um they've been in bad faith since the

00:14:49.700 beginning yeah yeah so we can um i mean yeah we can we can start i guess as early as we want um in the

00:14:56.580 late 1800s and then come all the way to modern day sure the way that i would kind of characterize the

00:15:00.580 the peace process between israel and the palestinians and i think the reason why it's so easy to read

00:15:05.600 blame into either side if you want is because i would say that on a genuine level i don't believe there

00:15:11.460 has ever been a time in history in in since at least the 1800s onwards where there has been a

00:15:18.760 deal on the table where the palestinians are like this is what we would accept i don't think that's 1.00

00:15:23.100 ever existed um it's never been clearly enunciated because the reality is is i don't think that they

00:15:29.800 at least the leadership or people that have been involved in negotiations i don't think that they

00:15:33.660 ever see any acceptable jewish state being there ever so whether that's um you know when they had the 1.00

00:15:40.700 whole arab revolt in 36 in response to that peel commission white paper that said it might be

00:15:45.340 possible that this land just has to be divided because we don't think that these people can 0.99

00:15:48.260 live together whether we're talking about resolution 181 in 47 when the palestinians you know we say 0.99

00:15:54.800 historically now oh well it's because jews had 46 of the land and the arabs only had this despite 1.00

00:15:59.500 population whatever that didn't matter the reality was any percentage of the land would have been too

00:16:02.880 much um whether we're talking a couple years later at lusanne where in 49 you know israel said well

00:16:07.940 we'll take gaza and all the arabs and that'll be fine but that wasn't enough like there's nothing 1.00

00:16:11.000 there was nothing on the table that would have been acceptable for the arab population and then 1.00

00:16:16.300 going forward now with just the palestinians um it's hard to say over the past 20 years but up at

00:16:21.760 least through arafat's death i don't think that there was ever a proposition on the table that the

00:16:25.900 palestinians would have truly accepted because there are just a couple questions that are difficult

00:16:29.180 to broach and the palestinians will never give a solid answer on it um the two one has to do with

00:16:34.560 like holy relics uh like sites around especially jerusalem and the second has to do with um the

00:16:39.840 right of return which is a hugely hotly contentious issue how many palestinians that are considered

00:16:44.620 refugees right now should be allowed to live back in israel proper despite regardless of the 0.99

00:16:48.420 one state or two state or whatever um i think that the reason why sometimes you can read different

00:16:53.560 things into this historically is because while israel um at times in their history have tried to

00:16:59.180 reach an agreement with the palestinian people israel is also happy to see no agreement materialized

00:17:03.700 because the longer the conflict goes on the more israel can kind of push to take more territory

00:17:08.240 on their own um whether that includes you know the occupation of gaza and the west bank in 67

00:17:13.700 um whether that includes when they were kind of extending their their borders past what the

00:17:18.800 resolution 181 and 47 would have allowed for in 48 after the war um or whether that would include

00:17:23.920 uh the you know today where they're continuing to move more and more settlements into the west bank

00:17:28.400 i think that israel is happy to see a divided palestinian people that aren't capable of negotiating for some 0.99

00:17:32.640 coherent and uh state and that's a part of there's no more violence that's a part of what i mean when

00:17:37.160 i say that they're they're not negotiating good peace and they're doing they're not negotiating good

00:17:40.920 faith they're doing everything they can to keep things fractured and create problems but i mean

00:17:44.720 keep going i don't want to interrupt you as you're going giving your snuffs yeah i mean i i agree i think

00:17:48.840 that i think that they will do what they can to kind of keep things fractured but but the palestinians 1.00

00:17:53.400 i believe will as well because at the end of the day i don't think either of these people

00:17:56.400 um really want to see a final settlement to their issues because both of them will um but both of

00:18:03.940 them think they can get more than they could if they were to actually do some kind of peace agreement

00:18:07.100 okay what would you say that the arabs just a quick one would you say that the arabs have ever 1.00

00:18:11.040 negotiated in good faith or no yeah i don't like say sorry no no go ahead i think he was asking you

00:18:16.820 that that's it yeah i don't like to say when you say the arabs particularly do you mean

00:18:21.920 palestinian leadership or oh you could talk about palestinian leadership also neighboring arab states

00:18:27.900 neighboring arab states i think definitely from what i'm aware of historically i think of generally

00:18:32.540 always negotiated in good faith if there's a negotiation to be had there's a negotiation to

00:18:35.780 be had but i mean the reason why is because by the time you're at the negotiating level like you're

00:18:39.880 already paying big political consequences um sadat being willing to go to fuck to go to the 0.73

00:18:45.120 knesset in jerusalem or to negotiate with israel already you know put egypt on the chopping block they

00:18:49.140 got what 10 year removal i think from the arab league so by the time you're ready to negotiate

00:18:52.620 with israel like you're already making big political concessions well rightfully so rightfully so because 0.74

00:18:58.140 the 1978 uh you know cam david accords were scam okay let me go through if um yeah so i'm gonna go

00:19:04.920 through every single one of these uh peace agreements and explain why they were bs okay i'm gonna i'm gonna

00:19:10.260 go from 1937 and work my way all the way through i i don't it might take me a little bit of time

00:19:15.280 destiny how do you want me to do it do you want me to do it each one just go yeah let's just go one by one

00:19:18.960 time i guess okay let's go one at a time so let's start with 1937 right with the peel commission

00:19:23.360 so with the peel commission um basically the israelis were going to get 20 percent of

00:19:29.180 palestinian land which was you know most of the coastline and most of fertile agricultural land

00:19:33.660 and we're going to see a trend here where when the israelis negotiate with the palestinians uh well

00:19:38.860 before it became a state of israel but the zionists uh the colonists um it was never really a good faith

00:19:44.180 that what it was was they were trying to get the best land and the best most fertile land where

00:19:48.800 they would basically be able to uh you know control the farming um can we real quick on that

00:19:53.200 yeah um so my understanding is that most of the fertile land would be kind of like west bankish

00:19:58.680 area um and then the rest of what would have been given to israel at least in resolution 181 which i

00:20:04.320 think mapped pretty closely on i'm talking about peel right now yeah but i think 181 i think kind of

00:20:09.000 mapped onto the what the white paper in 36 37 said but but most of that was like negev desert and there

00:20:15.400 was some fertile land but that land was only fertile because jews had come in and had like 1.00

00:20:19.560 hardcore put a ton of effort into working that land to make it fertile like it wasn't originally

00:20:23.340 no the palestinians had it first it was labor unions right it was israeli labor unions that took

00:20:29.340 that from them that they they had cultivated and then the israel and then what happened was the

00:20:33.400 israelis came in they kicked them out and then they created these labor unions where palestinians 0.51

00:20:37.580 couldn't sell their merchandise they couldn't do business with them and they brought in these unions and

00:20:41.840 this is back in in the 20s this has been going on so the appeal commission so okay so first they come

00:20:48.320 in right the the zionists come in they come in and they colonize right the palestinians bring them in 1.00

00:20:53.260 and they allow them to come in as they come in right and uh you know these are refugees etc they

00:20:59.240 welcome them in and then they start to realize like okay these people are starting to take more

00:21:02.600 and more land they're starting to get more violent what's going on here and then these labor unions 0.99

00:21:06.700 start popping up and they start taking the land and then they start basically kicking them off their

00:21:10.820 land of the of this uh you know this fruitful land that they had already cultivated um well here

00:21:15.220 well so well okay yeah hold on and this has been going and this has been going on for a while the

00:21:19.500 the the name of the organization was called the histrodot which was basically jewish labor unions that

00:21:23.880 pushed the palestinians out and so i think in terms of in terms of pushing people out the um there 1.00

00:21:29.420 were two organizations that were created for the zionist it was like the jewish agency and then the

00:21:32.700 other one i remember but the reason why they got kicked out the palestinians did is because they bought 1.00

00:21:36.120 this land from from prior owners uh originally i think part of the ottoman empire and then i think

00:21:41.060 afterwards um but there were huge swaths of land owners who were they were absent owners but then

00:21:46.200 once the um jewish organization would buy the land so they just took the land jewish people well they 0.97

00:21:50.560 bought it of the absent of the absent did they do it legally no so a lot of the a lot of the people

00:21:55.840 were absentees and then the people and then when they did buy the land and this is bad like once we

00:21:59.820 start getting into 1948 now 1937 it was even less in 1948 they only owned about six percent of the land

00:22:05.400 that they purchased that they purchased sure that's what i'm trying to stay let me stick with

00:22:09.480 the peel let's stick with peel real quick right let's stick with well wait wait there's like a

00:22:13.020 ton of claims that just got made so i just did see those and we can go through the pill commission

00:22:16.260 report if you want but like the the land that was taken there was no mass uh exportation of

00:22:21.240 agricultural goods from um from the mandatory palestine area right all of the farmers that existed

00:22:26.860 that were palestinian did subsistence farming they just farmed enough to feed their family

00:22:29.680 when jewish people came in they're the ones that uh you know brought huge swaths of agricultural

00:22:34.920 i guess like uh fertilization to a lot of this land that's why there's a lot of fighting over

00:22:39.340 um is it the galilee or whatever the the sea to the northeast or whatever to route water and stuff

00:22:44.800 yeah um they had to fight with syria and i think in the 60s they fought like a big uh water war

00:22:49.280 basically over diverting water but this the that land was nowhere near as fertile or it wasn't really

00:22:54.280 you know used much at all until the jews came in and started working that land and then started to 1.00

00:22:58.240 like make it more agricultural yeah but they stole it the point is is that they didn't steal it

00:23:01.940 they bought it they bought it they did not buy it the majority of they okay when we get into the

00:23:07.260 1947 partition plan they had or they had only owned about six percent of land in 1947 so i'm talking

00:23:13.360 about 1937 so they didn't own anything they owned very little of the land that's why they didn't

00:23:17.720 accept the 1947 deal in the first place but let me hit let me hit the commission we had it because

00:23:22.080 it's important they didn't steal it they bought it when you say they own six percent of the land for

00:23:25.600 that's what they purchased that's what they purchased own six percent that i know the number you're

00:23:29.420 talking about but that's just like where people lived right no no that's what they bought that's

00:23:33.040 what they actually owned and bought fair and square the rest they stole no so which part do they steal

00:23:38.420 what are you referring to okay let me let me start with the peel commission first so here's the problem

00:23:42.720 with the peel commission right so it was in 1937 the the thing that people need to understand right if

00:23:47.220 i'm going to be very nice and simple about this the peel commission was basically a veneer right that

00:23:52.640 your boy ben-gurion utilized to legitimize them beginning the colonization process so it started with

00:23:57.600 20 now how do we know this ben-gurion himself wrote letters to his son admitting back in october

00:24:03.740 of 1937 that they were going to start doing these uh exercises this diplomacy but the goal from the

00:24:09.720 beginning was always to take the entire land and that's irrefutable this is his own letters to his

00:24:15.260 son so they feigned diplomacy in the beginning with the peel commission and then they continued it on

00:24:20.260 through the 1947 partition plan the camp david accords and it continued on throughout the entire time

00:24:25.600 oslo accords and we could go through all of it but the peel commission was the beginning of the lie

00:24:29.840 where they would start to go ahead and start to take the land aggressively it was the plan from the

00:24:33.340 beginning so everything was feigning diplomacy and that's assuming that's assuming that we're even

00:24:38.240 that and this is me saying this is me coming into it saying like okay they're having a fair ground

00:24:43.080 where they can even negotiate keep in mind that they had been displacing palestinians they had been 0.99

00:24:46.620 killing palestinians they had been doing a whole bunch of bs prior to the peel commission and then the 1.00

00:24:51.340 partition plan they've been doing a bunch of bs with that too as well prior prior to that the two

00:24:55.460 are kind of connected but i'll let you respond what is what is your impression of like where the peel

00:24:59.920 commission came from or why did the peel commission happen i guess it was to get international recognition

00:25:06.080 and get their foot through the door to be taken seriously as a as another entity so that they can

00:25:10.400 start um creating right this is this was the birth of the urgun the haganaw and the stern gang this was

00:25:16.060 the beginning of israeli terrorism at this point because the peel commission legitimized these illegal

00:25:20.700 colonizers um okay so the um since the fall of the ottoman empire the british owned they like they

00:25:28.760 moved to this mandatory system the brits and the um french people to kind of create to carve out a lot 1.00

00:25:34.480 of these different territories in the middle east so that after some period of time uh an emerging

00:25:39.000 government could take over these lands where they weren't doing all of these colonization projects 0.79

00:25:42.380 anymore right so obviously in the um in the mandatory palestine territory there were a lot of issues

00:25:49.160 issues with with violence that was escalating on on both sides right i think the one of the more

00:25:54.140 notable ones uh like i know jews were fighting against arabs but there were also arab uh massacres

00:25:58.800 against jews like i think the haran massacre and i think i want to say 29 um yeah it was a big one 0.51

00:26:03.260 spoken about yeah so so there's a lot of violence back and forth i think that initially the idea is

00:26:08.240 that both of these people can live together they'll figure their shit out it'll be okay and the notable

00:26:11.980 thing so the the appeal commission was a royal commission by the british government um that was headed

00:26:18.600 by lord peel and the goal was to do a survey of the land a survey of the people and figure out like

00:26:23.140 how do we get these people to work together like let's like let's account for everybody who's here

00:26:26.420 what's going on like you know what can we do and i think the pill commission was notable because for

00:26:30.080 the first time uh the recommendation was these two people probably can't coexist in the same state

00:26:35.720 um and that was a big deal at the time because nobody considered up to that point that it was going

00:26:39.620 to have to be two separate countries now that wasn't how any of the mandatory period worked but this

00:26:43.660 was at the behest of the british this wasn't like a jewish plan sure um yeah now now i don't dispute

00:26:48.440 i agree with you destiny that i i believe also that the brits came in um in good faith because

00:26:53.600 they knew at some point that they were probably going to need to uh figure out some kind of plan

00:26:56.960 to get rid of this land and do it in a in a peaceful manner what i'm saying is that these the

00:27:01.620 zionists and would later become israel did not approach this in good faith they came with it 1.00

00:27:06.740 precisely for what i said before to hey look international community we're doing diplomacy we want to work with

00:27:12.520 the arabs but the plan from the beginning this is from ben-gurion himself the plan from the beginning

00:27:17.300 was always always to take the land in full just do it yeah but i mean like that so so you can't go

00:27:23.720 that's so that's that's that's sabotaging peace they never wanted peace same thing with the

00:27:28.300 palestinians though well okay well realistically speaking it was their land from the beginning

00:27:32.680 you got a bunch of colonizers from eastern europe yeah we can make the excuse for it but i'm just saying

00:27:36.600 that like that neither side the difference is neither side really wants peace but the jewish people

00:27:41.740 whether it's because of a european background or whatever we're a little bit better at politics

00:27:45.220 but if the arabs would have confronted the jews and said fine we accept this partition plan we

00:27:49.600 accept these borders the jews would have had to accept okay now we're getting into 1947 okay we can go 0.89

00:27:54.320 okay so i think we're done with peel you know your positions your position but also wait one more

00:27:58.220 other one more go ahead that all of the arabs that were kicked off of the land were kicked off by 0.98

00:28:03.780 jews that had purchased that land i think it might have been mostly under the ottoman empire

00:28:07.980 no prior the back then and now we're getting into the partition plan so my position on peel is that

00:28:14.440 this is prior to 1920 like most like jews bought the land from by 1947 steven by 1947 they only owned

00:28:22.020 six percent of the land so they could not have owned more than that in 1937 or in the 20s yeah but

00:28:26.500 they owned even less owned by people cite that number but then you pretend that the palestinians

00:28:30.700 own 94 percent of the other land that's not true yeah they're indigenous to the land it was theirs

00:28:34.640 they were there before no they weren't there they weren't there all over the place right they had

00:28:38.260 like 10 12 or something like that i don't remember the exact numbers but people just didn't live all

00:28:42.320 over the vast majority of the negev was basically there were villages all over except for some bedwin

00:28:46.160 there were some villages but yes it's a but not like villages it was a village of subsistence

00:28:51.060 people who in mr palestine then nobody did the like you have to consider that that region that

00:28:57.920 levant existed it's kind of like a territory of the ottoman empire once the ottoman empire collapsed it was

00:29:01.860 the brits that came in and carved out and said initially it was a larger area that included

00:29:05.500 jordan as well um and then they chopped off that and that became the british mandatory um the british

00:29:11.220 mandatory state of palestine basically yes and look there's like six percent was in i think occupied

00:29:15.720 by jews i want to say like 12 or 15 percent of something was occupied by arabs and then the rest

00:29:18.920 is basically the palestinians look so the the brits are absolutely messed up here by you know 1.00

00:29:24.120 basically they made promises to both sides they had the baffer declaration on one side

00:29:28.280 for you know the the zionist theodore hertzel and them and then you had on the other side he was they

00:29:33.760 were promising hey look if you help us fight in this war uh ottoman we will go ahead and we'll get

00:29:39.180 you your own land and that's what the the arabs thought okay the brits are going to stand by what

00:29:42.860 they said but that so the peel so going back to 1937 the peel commission my my position is simply this

00:29:50.140 just to summarize ben gurian the chief negotiator the the head zionist here but who would later become the

00:29:55.040 prime minister of israel the first prime minister he negotiated bad faith this is proven by letters

00:29:59.460 that he wrote to his son in october 5th of 1937 admitting that the goal was just to uh enter the

00:30:05.420 negotiations that the brits had set up with the peel commission to give them legitimacy as uh as

00:30:09.960 going from violent colonizers to a potential um agreement where they could be taken seriously

00:30:15.420 politically and he used that we have to do this he used that hold on let me finish let me finish my

00:30:19.740 my thing this i'm just giving you my my summary on peel commission then you can give yours then we'll go

00:30:23.000 to 1947 so he he entered the deal right or he entered the agreements with the palestinians

00:30:28.840 with the ideology of we are going to expand we don't care about what they really want to do we're

00:30:33.280 just going to go and accept this where it's 20 but we're going to get all the fertile land we're going

00:30:36.340 to get all the coastline and um we're going to get we're going to continue doing what we're doing

00:30:40.520 we're going to keep using our labor unions we're going to push them out uh we're going to keep

00:30:43.580 kicking them out as much as we can and then uh you know revisit this later which they always use that to

00:30:47.980 their advantage so my argument with the peel commission is they used the brits the peel

00:30:53.040 commission to create the veneer of legitimacy but the whole time and we know this from bingarine's

00:30:57.360 letters it was feigning diplomacy to take over and create the entire state of israel and take all the

00:31:03.100 land yeah okay that's like negotiating in bad faith or feigning diplomacy doesn't make sense both

00:31:07.760 sides wanted more uh like both sides would have agreed to whatever they agreed to like again if the

00:31:13.100 jews would have agreed to some like hardcore ironed out borders or some state then that would have been the

00:31:17.440 state they would have had but i mean like it's weird to say they're negotiating in bad faith when

00:31:21.260 they're hoping to get more in the future unless we can say they were negotiating bad faith and we

00:31:25.280 know they would have like betrayed the terms in the future number one so negotiating bad faith is a

00:31:29.140 weird phrase to use there and then two this bill commission this was just a uh this was just like

00:31:33.320 an evaluation of the land a survey done um at the behest of the british government by you know headed

00:31:38.540 by lord peel the idea this wasn't like a formal agreement this wasn't like a formal treaty that either

00:31:43.240 side necessarily like agreed or disagreed with it was just his evaluation of or that that commission's

00:31:48.360 evaluation of you know what is the status of these two people so like at the time like jews would have

00:31:54.000 been happy to carve any state out i think because then they would have had at least something solid

00:31:57.380 you know some kind of solid borders and palestinians probably wouldn't have wanted any jews there at all 1.00

00:32:01.560 or at the very least they definitely wouldn't want a jewish state there so i mean like you can say 1.00

00:32:05.140 that the jews were negotiating bad faith but if we're going to use that definition then the

00:32:07.940 palestinians were quote-unquote negotiating bad faith although these weren't negotiations the bill

00:32:11.300 commission was under negotiation it was just a survey of the land but neither side well at the

00:32:15.060 very least the jews would have been happy with some land there the palestinians didn't want any jews 1.00

00:32:18.480 there at all or at least a jewish state well the problem is that the the jews wanted 20 percent 1.00

00:32:23.120 of the most fertile land best land and they were the minority and then on top of that it's not their

00:32:28.720 land in the first place to dictate like if someone comes into your house it tells you hey i'm taking

00:32:32.980 a master bedroom hey it's a small part of the house though but i'm taking a master bedroom after you let

00:32:36.860 them in you're going to feel some type of way about that and the reality is it wasn't it was there were the

00:32:40.560 minority and they wanted the best it was their land it was it was the british we got no but they 0.97

00:32:45.840 were they were there they're the indigenous people they're not indigenous at all they were part of 0.98

00:32:49.920 prior caliphates that had conquered through imperialism that area but the land was owned

00:32:53.420 by the brits it was it was the man it was the british mandatory for we we have we have eastern

00:32:57.800 europeans literally from like russia ukraine etc that's what a lot of these zionists were they were 1.00

00:33:01.920 all majority eastern european coming into land that they have no ties to uh from a bloodline anything

00:33:07.220 like that coming in saying like we're gonna settle and colonize obviously the people that were there

00:33:11.860 for that were there originally are going to feel some type of way and then on top of that they

00:33:15.640 wanted 20 and they wanted the best land so again people felt some type of way and i agree with you

00:33:20.020 they did feel some type of way for sure and they felt like they had they well well you could say that

00:33:24.060 but again all of the land that was taken prior to 36 was purchased by jewish it was not purchasers of

00:33:29.180 land it was it was stolen no land that was conquered no there was no stolen land it was all purchased

00:33:32.760 from prior owners steven didn't didn't the jewish london didn't the zionists go over and buy the

00:33:37.800 jewish uh buy land from uh landowners absentee landowners no even with the even with the absentee 0.74

00:33:45.220 landowners that's what i'm trying to explain to you guys now we can go to 1947 or 1947 partition

00:33:49.700 plan we talked about the peel commission fine now we're going to get into the partition plan

00:33:53.220 the partition plan that deal was insane how can we move on from this i don't know jews conquered land

00:34:00.180 they didn't even have like a military army or anything that no jews conquered land from arabs 0.82

00:34:03.440 prior to the peel commission no it just didn't happen no the peel commission gave them the

00:34:08.180 legitimacy to start creating their own paramilitary forces that's what i'm saying the peel commission 0.99

00:34:12.680 gave them the legitimacy right so that they could go ahead and create these organizations

00:34:17.000 prior to 36 they bought land from prior landowners there were there was no jewish conquering okay no i

00:34:23.780 don't know how because even in the peel commission doesn't say that they and even if they

00:34:27.460 land i'm not even if they did buy the land i'm telling you by 1947 they only owned about six

00:34:32.260 percent of the land that is why no that's why the and this is a big point this is precisely why the

00:34:38.080 palestinians rejected the 1947 partition plan because on top of that they had been killing people 1.00

00:34:42.900 they'd been stealing land the peel commission was a lie we knew that and then on top of that they

00:34:47.940 were the minority but they wanted 56 percent of the land and not so notice how the peel commission

00:34:52.240 went from 20 to 56 percent well yeah yeah there's a hard we can agree to disagree if we want on this

00:34:57.080 point but it's like a hard that's fine like before we get to the the the split on for resolution when

00:35:01.740 i won the the land like in the peel commission itself right um just reading from the text chapter

00:35:07.040 four the disturbances of 1936 so from 36 to 39 there were massive air revolts but like one of the

00:35:11.420 reasons that they um list is is number five under chapter four they say arab alarm at the continued

00:35:16.980 jewish purchase of land there was no conquering of land if you read uh you know more into chapter

00:35:22.720 five many arab land owners have benefited from the sale of land and the profitable investment of the

00:35:26.740 purchase money the fellaheen are better off on the whole uh than they were in 1920 the arab progress 0.95

00:35:30.960 and partly due to the import of jewish capital into palestine and other factors associated with the

00:35:33.980 growth of the national home that's for many jewish people like there was no conquering of land prior to

00:35:37.820 this or if there is i've never seen a source on that ever unless you just consider jewish people

00:35:41.600 buying land and then kicking off the arabs once they bought it uh as conquering but there was no 1.00

00:35:46.540 conquering of land and i'm i'm telling you bro they they were conquering the land that's why they

00:35:52.060 were able to go ahead that's why that this is why the this is the basis as to why the palestinians

00:35:56.580 rejected all these peace deals is because or these negotiations that the israelis gave in because

00:36:01.740 number one they didn't negotiate in bad faith a lot of the time they were the minorities and then they

00:36:05.180 wanted all the best land so how does it like and the way i simply explain it right to the people here

00:36:10.660 that might not be as well versed in in this conflict you know let's imagine that you have a home you allow

00:36:15.860 people to come into your home right because they're coming in and they're poor and they need money

00:36:19.400 whatever it may be hold on hold on hold on let me just finish yeah they absolutely did they welcomed

00:36:23.180 them they were welcome they bought the land since the 1800s they had let them come in and and live

00:36:28.940 alongside them and they work alongside then as they started to colonize more and more they realized oh

00:36:32.920 these people are here to actually take the land and kick us out that's the original late the 0.99

00:36:37.380 original zionists that moved there were part of a labor zionist movement they would never work 0.97

00:36:40.660 alongside arabs the entire point was that they had to there's a saying for this in june yes 0.95

00:36:44.580 to your fucking speaker whatever yes about like working the land that they own so they would 0.99

00:36:47.460 never be working and living alongside arabs once they bought the land they expelled the arabs from 1.00

00:36:50.960 the land no and that's the point a lot of the times they did not buy the land and then on top of

00:36:55.160 that they put these labor unions which i literally said earlier right where they would push the

00:36:59.960 palestinians out and not let them sell their produce or only do jewish labor where they would 1.00

00:37:04.580 only deal do business with each other so they push these guys out that's what i'm trying to say

00:37:08.200 this is why the peel commission was a bunch of bs and these and literally these um these jewish labor unions 0.61

00:37:13.200 have been doing this for a very long time so of course the palestinians are going to be like 1.00

00:37:16.340 we're not going to accept anything with you guys because you guys are coming in and stealing our

00:37:19.240 land you guys are pushing out of us we can move to the next point all right let's go to 47

00:37:23.180 wait wait just real quick i'm just going to ask for one thing i don't do this just generally

00:37:26.740 debates but i'm just curious sure okay and if you don't have it on hand that's fine like what is

00:37:30.320 our source here for like jews stealing the land like if we had to think of like one because i mean 0.99

00:37:35.180 the pill commission itself doesn't refer to this i don't think any of the prior white papers because i think

00:37:38.160 there were five or six part of those oh you're like oh you're googling you're using ai right now

00:37:40.980 i'm debating you and ai

00:37:42.260 okay no hands up right now i'm not using ai the only thing i have on my screen right now is the

00:37:50.960 text of the peel commission refer to to make sure that i'm not missing anything in there

00:37:53.960 sure okay you keep referring to jews buying stuff and stealing and kicking arabs off that's not true

00:37:59.260 if you wanted to make the argument that there was some illegitimate purchase of land the only thing

00:38:02.560 i could possibly think of was that in the ottoman empire but this also contradicts your other claim of

00:38:05.720 the arabs allowed the jews to live next to them that's not true they brought them in as guests 0.98

00:38:09.860 no they didn't because the ottoman empire actually explicitly forbade the purchase

00:38:13.960 of land by jews in the ottoman empire so if you wanted to make the argument of illegitimate land 0.76

00:38:18.920 purchases sometimes jewish foreign companies would have to create shell companies to buy

00:38:22.640 this land from absent arab land owners and then do it that way because the ottoman empire wouldn't 0.97

00:38:26.900 actually allow jews to purchase the land before the collapse of the ottoman empire in 1917

00:38:30.040 that's why i know that claim can't possibly be true they absolutely didn't welcome them in

00:38:33.120 number one number two there was back and forth what's your source for that that the ottoman

00:38:37.360 empire didn't allow the purchase no not for you i'm asking maron yeah maron what's your source

00:38:41.040 yeah i'm just curious with this yes i'm talking about okay they had no forces they had no arms

00:38:45.280 there's no way they could have fought and conquered land from the arabs if you look at the partition plan

00:38:49.160 the big reason the arabs declared that while the palestinians declined the partition plan

00:38:54.360 is because the israelis only legally owned six percent of the land so if they only legally owned

00:39:00.000 six percent of the land that they purchased how the hell are they going to have all this land prior

00:39:03.920 in 1937 or 1920s just work our way back chronologically 1947 how much land they reject

00:39:09.440 the partition plan the majority they owned it it's theirs it's not theirs it was british it was the

00:39:14.960 british palestine it was the british mandate for palestine it wasn't theirs at all what do you mean

00:39:18.800 who would they have owned their palestinians british mandate for palestine most of it was empty

00:39:23.400 there but most of it was empty oh my god do you think that negev desert even today you can go to

00:39:27.720 the negev it's not full of people that live there you got like of course tribes you've got like like

00:39:31.720 most people do not live there but but it's theirs is my point it's their land whether there is no it

00:39:35.960 wasn't it was the ottoman empire's land what do you mean and then it was conquered by the brits

00:39:39.560 and the ottoman empires are what arabs yeah and they lost the war and their whole empire collapsed 0.89

00:39:45.000 and then the brits had it but it said mandatory british palestine

00:39:47.720 empire is technically headed by turks to be clear whatever say what arabs whatever the

00:39:52.280 middle eastern people turks a lot of turks speak arabic the point i'm trying to make here is this

00:39:56.520 it's very simple they only owned it we know this for a fact that this is why they rejected the

00:40:01.240 partition plan they owned six percent of the land back in 1947 so there is no way that they own

00:40:06.840 anything else the bottom line is this they were the minority so if they're the minority the big

00:40:11.880 minority why are the palestinians going to go ahead and concede to these individuals who are violent 0.99

00:40:16.520 colonists stealing their land killing them why would they agree to that and they had been

00:40:20.840 the reason why they agree is because because on the when they did the mandate we're skipping ahead

00:40:24.520 now to the the mandate yeah we'll yeah we'll go to the mandate yeah the reason why is because

00:40:29.080 marron do you have that i still want to know if you have that source

00:40:32.520 that's why they rejected the partition plan you can look it up this is precisely why they rejected the

00:40:36.680 partition plan is because they owned they wouldn't have accepted any jewish no no no no no no no no 0.79

00:40:42.120 no no they wouldn't have accepted any jewish state at all there was nothing acceptable there look 1.00

00:40:46.280 look look what i'm trying to explain to you guys okay is that there's a multitude of different

00:40:51.320 reasons because you guys have not been letting me go into why they rejected the partition plan

00:40:54.840 the seven percent is just one reason i can go through all the reasons that they rejected the

00:40:59.240 partition plan and rightfully so because it was a bullshit plan and on top of that the israelis 0.76

00:41:03.800 were conducting acts of violence and destroying villages all over the place they were raping the

00:41:07.320 women they're destroying the villages they were killing a whole bunch of people stealing land 1.00

00:41:11.400 like the urgun hagenah and the stern gang we had jewish terrorist organizations running a rampage all 1.00

00:41:17.000 across why the hell would they accept any type of deal with these guys they were destroying them and 0.78

00:41:20.920 killing them so they have every right to fight back and defend themselves and defend their villages

00:41:25.720 like this is indefensible on the israeli side and they were a minority of the or and they were a minority of

00:41:30.840 the um of the population in the area the only reason they had the weapons is because they illegally

00:41:35.720 smuggled them there from the united states thanks to organized crime this is the ugly side from the 0.84

00:41:40.120 u.s they absolutely from czechoslovakia they absolutely did not bring them from the u.s it

00:41:43.480 came from czechoslovakia number one um number two i mean like we just have a total disagreement on

00:41:47.640 the history the violence was was on both sides initially a lot of the violence came from the

00:41:51.640 arab side in response to the peel commission the huge arab revolts and everything um only intensified 1.00

00:41:56.680 after the peel commission recommended a partition and that's why the brits cracked down on jewish

00:42:00.840 immigration to the mandatory area i think at 39 or 40 they basically said they either severely

00:42:05.640 limited it or they said no more and that's why um the jews started to fight back from 40 to 44 0.84

00:42:09.720 where they started to do things that um i think this culminated in the uh king david hotel bombing

00:42:13.800 or whatever it was like one of the worst terror attacks um from the jews to the brits and then

00:42:17.000 the brits just fucked off because they were like fuck this this is a spot yeah and they also 1.00

00:42:20.200 assassinated another they assassinated a british diplomat uh british uh official as well when he

00:42:25.320 tried to you know figure out a plan the israelis conducted massive acts of terrorism before

00:42:30.040 they created their state everybody was conducting acts of terrorism in jerusalem the um the

00:42:34.200 palestinians i think murdered the um uh murdered the jordanian king when he was in jerusalem i think

00:42:38.600 at 48 or 49 um so i mean like everybody was doing their terrorism and fighting each other and

00:42:42.600 blowing each other up back then it wasn't like there was one peaceful side accepting everybody

00:42:45.160 well here's the here's the difference whenever israelis conduct terrorism no one cares no one

00:42:49.240 says anything but when arabs do it everybody cared back then hold on that's absolutely not true

00:42:53.640 uh the curb on israeli immigration was one of the biggest reasons why or not on israeli

00:42:58.280 i'm sorry jewish immigration was one of the reasons why the jews got so ass pained in 1940 okay 1.00

00:43:02.040 because the brits they felt it as a betrayal of their promise plus there was the ongoing holocaust

00:43:05.880 and there were ships being turned back full of jews that like weren't allowed to go to where they

00:43:09.880 thought they previously had as per the about for a declaration the ability to send their jewish

00:43:13.800 people too so the brits absolutely most americans most people in the west and most americans are

00:43:18.760 completely unaware of who the ergon is who the stern gang is they're completely unaware of these uh

00:43:23.800 terrorists yeah that's 48 but well the thing yeah it rebranded its idf which is conducting

00:43:30.600 terrorism right now as we speak that they literally just didn't rebrand into the idf they

00:43:34.120 were disbanded and then they were and they rebranded military haggadah stern they all combined

00:43:39.080 and rebranded and became the idea hagana like literally set fire to and laid siege to the irgun

00:43:44.680 um when when when menekhenbegin came back into israel from the mediterranean that's fine but uh

00:43:50.920 ben gurih stood on the shore and he watched as the hagana literally blew this ship up that they were

00:43:55.880 coming to shore in and started arresting people from the irgun because they didn't want to be 0.84

00:43:59.560 associated with them when they when the state of israel was formally properly uh made and then

00:44:03.480 the hagana eventually reformed to the idf but like yeah they disavowed and they fought with a lot of

00:44:07.080 radical elements yeah of course but they stephen ergun and lehi did to join a hagana in yeah they

00:44:12.760 did they all joined they kind of did but the hagana was by far the larger you're you're taking one

00:44:17.160 isolated incident it was like 20 000 plus strong wasn't it and the irgun and the lehi combined had like

00:44:21.480 what like wasn't it like less than two thousand or less than a thousand regardless the point i'm trying

00:44:25.160 to make here like you're taking one isolated incident to try to dispute the fact that they

00:44:28.600 all combined they did combine they did they're all terrorist organizations and they rebranded to

00:44:33.640 become the idf yes they're going in the lehi formed in response to arab terrorism and arab

00:44:37.880 violence as well that was the reason why these organizations formed was because they they felt

00:44:41.720 especially um post-29 after the haran massacre they felt like they were being attacked by uh arab 0.57

00:44:46.360 extremists constantly and that's why these these paramilitary organizations because they were

00:44:49.320 stealing land initially they were stealing land they were killing people they were colonizing

00:44:54.520 they're like dude it's the the reality is is that the state of israel was created through the

00:45:00.440 very terrorism that it tries to condemn every single day but let me go into the 47 perdition

00:45:04.520 plan real quick right so um so european jews started colonizing uh obviously for decades already

00:45:12.200 they banned palestinians from land and labor markets we talked about that earlier

00:45:15.720 um they uh promote exclusive hebrew labor evicted palestinians from land and farms that were 0.82

00:45:21.080 fruitful um this is why they had the right to reject this partition plan because they had been

00:45:25.800 kicking them out for before since like i talked about with the peel commission that that's another

00:45:29.560 reason why they rejected it also um the partition plan was um which i think is 22 to 10 is what

00:45:36.040 you're saying 56 for under 33 of the population so at the time they wanted 56 of the land but

00:45:42.120 they were less than one third of the population right that doesn't make sense and they only owned

00:45:46.680 and they only owned it does they only legally owned six percent of the land does that sound

00:45:50.920 like a good deal to you if you're a palestinian you're gonna be like hell no legally owned when 1.00

00:45:53.960 you talk about legally owned what they purchased what they purchased that the arabs own the other 93 0.99

00:45:58.600 percent that's just not true right you can't source that there's no record of that because that's

00:46:01.960 absolutely not true number one number two when you say that they were going to be given 56 of the

00:46:05.000 land or whatever the division look at the ethnic division of who was to live on that split it was going to

00:46:09.880 be 55 jews and 45 arabs whereas on the arab split of the land it was like 99 arabs so yeah there were

00:46:16.440 a few percentage points more given to the the quote-unquote jewish government there but almost

00:46:20.200 half that population was going to be uh arably ethnically arab people number one number two

00:46:24.760 yeah a huge chunk of that land was the entire negev which was like empty dead land that nothing was

00:46:28.920 even going on through anyway and that's what they wanted to give to the palestinians thank you for

00:46:32.520 saying that that was a part of what they were going to give me look at resolution 101 look at the

00:46:36.440 partition plan what the whole negev was going that was part of that 56 oh this guy's using ai in

00:46:40.920 google um here i could do that too what do you think i studied this whole issue for a year yeah okay

00:46:45.960 go look at the map go look at resolution 101 go look at the partition all the whole negev was going to 1.00

00:46:49.720 the jews and look at the look at the delineation between uh ethnicities that were living on both

00:46:53.640 parts of the partition you can see my type shit so here's the other thing too also that's that's 0.79

00:46:58.760 important because you didn't mention earlier that you said that the that arabs would live within the

00:47:02.920 with the uh amongst the jews yeah but they would have to be under their rule so yeah so they're the 0.98

00:47:08.360 minority of the people but they would be ruling everything why why would they want well they 0.98

00:47:12.280 wouldn't be ruling everything they'd rule their partition that they had 50 yes yes yes yes but 0.88

00:47:17.480 what i'm saying is i think it was like 16 districts or whatever and uh nine of them were arab dominated

00:47:22.520 and i think only one was israeli dominated uh or zionist dominated jewish dominated why would you

00:47:27.640 want to go ahead and live amongst people and they rule you and they're the minority 1.00

00:47:32.920 why why would you do that majority in the state that would have been carved out for them

00:47:36.840 yeah but why would you want jews to run you as an arab muslim when they're the minority why 1.00

00:47:42.280 i agree with you you wouldn't want that which is why my original claim is that palestinians would 1.00

00:47:47.240 have rejected everything correct there's no amount of partition that they would have accepted but that

00:47:51.560 goes to my argument there was never a peace plan every deal to them was a bad deal no but it's a

00:47:57.080 and that's what i'm trying to say the israelis no that's my position no no no no no no any deal

00:48:03.800 with no no no no no no no the deal every single deal that the jews brought forward was bad because 0.59

00:48:08.440 number one it was done in bad faith number two it was to extend the land it was never done oh yeah

00:48:12.920 let's actually have some kind of peace or anything like that and they always wanted the best land the

00:48:17.000 best fertilization areas not the waterways the best land is the west bank no no well we're going to get

00:48:21.480 into the west bank after this because the west bank is is that that's later on that's going to

00:48:25.240 come into 1967. we haven't even got it we haven't even got it to the west bank the west bank is

00:48:30.280 actually even worse because we haven't even got it to 1967 yet we're still on 1947. yeah but the

00:48:36.920 partition that you're talking about the eastern part of the partition would have been the west bank of

00:48:40.040 the of the river jordan it was but this land is i think it's way better it's way more fertile and

00:48:43.560 it looks better and everything too compared to the shit land that is the entirety of the negev which 1.00

00:48:47.160 is nothing i think it's still nothing and then compared to the your you have your coastal regions

00:48:51.000 right with um jaffa and halfa and kaffa and all that bullshit i don't know well they wanted 0.83

00:48:56.680 during the appeal commission they were fighting to take that that's what i'm trying to explain to

00:48:59.320 you bro like they always also would have there was fought to get the best land right most fertile

00:49:05.080 land and that's what a lot of this problem came from and they were the minority it was fertile was 0.51

00:49:08.120 only the land it was only fertile because they had made it such no no that's not true no it was for

00:49:13.800 it was why would if they were there first if the palestines were there first and how would if the land

00:49:19.800 was there if they were there first and the land was fertile right obviously they're going to want

00:49:24.440 to take it and be like oh i want this land now not fertile that was the whole point of labor

00:49:28.440 zionism it's why the first two alias failed fucking miserably the 1881 and 1901 the first ones that 0.91

00:49:32.760 came from the eastern russian empire or whatever is because the land sucked there was nothing there

00:49:37.240 most of the people that came just up and left afterwards because it was so

00:49:39.960 bullshit it wasn't until they had a ton of financial yeah it wasn't until they started stealing land

00:49:43.400 that's it that's precisely land the land sucked shit the land they were not exporting a lot of 0.98

00:49:47.880 shit the appeal commission found this every early white paper found this they were subsistence farmers

00:49:51.480 that lived throughout all of palestine and that's they just made enough of their family that's it

00:49:54.600 they weren't exporting crops to anybody else but the point i'm trying to make is it wasn't until they

00:49:58.520 started stealing land that proves my point even more with the aliyah with them coming in the 1800s 1.00

00:50:02.200 anything about them stealing land they haven't they bought it they purchased land

00:50:05.400 so all these massacres all these uh paramilitary organizations just existed for no reason the

00:50:10.120 irgun stern gang they were just hanging out in response to arab violence and understandably 1.00

00:50:15.800 the arab started to fight against the jews that were buying land and moving there but that's where 0.99

00:50:18.440 the lehi and the irgun formed was in response to a lot of these arab attacks destiny i told you 0.86

00:50:22.200 already by 1947 the design is said only seven is really far away no no no no that but i'm saying

00:50:29.080 by 1940 because you have to work it back if the zionists only owned six percent of the land where

00:50:35.320 they purchased it they actually owned it it's theirs in 1947 how would they own

00:50:39.960 any land prior to that legally they had even less that's what i'm trying to explain to you

00:50:43.800 yeah but how much land do you think the arabs owned it's theirs it's not there it's the brits

00:50:49.560 it's literally they're not indigenous why do you keep saying that they're brits because okay because 0.97

00:50:54.440 number one palestinians they the blood their blood ties to land the zionists don't they're from 0.93

00:50:59.560 eastern europe they're from ukraine russia belarus romania etc i don't even know if that's where most by

00:51:04.600 the 40s most jews are ashkenazi bro most jews are ashkenazi which means they're from eastern 0.95

00:51:09.800 europe and i think most i i'm not 100 sure if that's true but most israelis are ashkenazis and

00:51:14.120 most of these colonists back then were ashkenazi they have no ties to the land so they lose 0.96

00:51:18.680 automatically if we're going to be honest automatically because the only reason the

00:51:22.280 people there are arab palestinians are because of the caliphates because of the the muslim conquest 1.00

00:51:26.920 prior to that right if you want to go all the way back to the fucking the kingdom of israel and 0.91

00:51:30.760 shit right the the canaanites or whatever like these are people with jewish blood that can be 1.00

00:51:34.360 traced through whatever through going to different parts of the world and then eventually coming back

00:51:37.800 but the historical arguments are a loose argument but if you want to do the historical arguments

00:51:40.520 well you're going to go off theology you're going to have to go off theology if you're going to use

00:51:44.040 the historical if you're going to use the historical stuff because how however are you bro are you one

00:51:48.200 of those people that don't believe that there were any that the kingdom of israel was fake or that

00:51:51.240 like the whole the second temple was like a meme and didn't really exist no i'm not i'm not saying

00:51:54.920 that but what i am saying is like they you know we're the chosen people this is our land no not chosen

00:51:59.000 people jewish people lived in jerusalem before any uh you know muslim conquester showed up before the 0.78

00:52:05.640 arab before before islam even existed sure but are those are those the same jews that came back and 0.99

00:52:10.920 colonized them no they're not they're not how do you define a jew well there's many of them there's

00:52:16.680 sephardic jews there's ashkenazi jews there's mizrahi jews there's all different types but the colonizers 0.92

00:52:22.600 that came in the in the in the early 1900s those were definitely not the jews of past that they're 0.98

00:52:28.680 talking about this is our land they're jews and then they all they're all the descendants of the

00:52:32.600 jews from before no because there are diaspora people from all over the place but then they 0.99

00:52:36.440 but then they go ahead and say oh yeah no this is our land no you're there are diaspora people that

00:52:40.360 really can't be tied to any specific region because they've been all over the place have been expelled

00:52:44.680 for so many places so that's the that's the reality maybe the mizrahi jews have they would have 1.00

00:52:50.280 what does diaspora mean diaspora from where they're from they're from all over but what i'm trying to

00:52:55.080 they come from initially do you think jewish the jewish religion randomly sprung up in different

00:52:58.680 places all around the world see that's the problem it's not just a religion they're they're an

00:53:01.800 ethnicity too but if it's an ethnicity then that's an even stronger yeah i agree with you but like

00:53:07.000 was it an ethnicity that randomly sprung up all around the world or where did it okay let me make

00:53:10.280 this nice and simple for you the the the colonial zionists that came in are not the same jews that 0.92

00:53:17.400 you're talking about from thousands of years ago that had ties to lands they're not the same

00:53:20.920 they're not well i i think that's a highly contentious point i don't that's fine we can

00:53:26.360 we can move on to the other stuff because now we're going to get into all the lore and everything

00:53:29.400 else like that the the purpose of the argument is simply who has been a bigger obstacle to peace

00:53:33.960 i argue it's the zionists aka the israelis because the israelis have done far more to sabotage peace

00:53:39.320 talks and or when they do do the peace talks they negotiate bad faith where they're like okay we're

00:53:43.720 going to give you this palestinians but the reality is there's no real right to self-determination

00:53:49.080 there's no right of return they're taking the they're taking the best land they're using force

00:53:53.560 they're killing them what would what would the palestinians have accepted in 47 0.99

00:53:58.760 in 40 i mean not 50 not the uh zionists of the land what would they have accepted 0.99

00:54:05.160 that's a good question um the answer is nothing they wouldn't accept any you don't know that you

00:54:09.080 don't know that i do know that of course you don't you don't know that you don't know that

00:54:12.600 like what we do know is that the deal that they presented was not good 56 for one less than one

00:54:18.360 third of the population that doesn't make sense no no one in their mind would take that the

00:54:21.880 majority of that was the negev it was an empty desert we stuck on the point of what like who's

00:54:28.360 the obstacle to peace marin you mentioned before yes that from the palestinian perspective these

00:54:32.920 jews came in they were the colonizers they took over the land and if they took even 10 even if they 1.00

00:54:37.880 took one bedroom of the house they'll still say no so so at what point so would they have let any

00:54:43.960 jews take any salt any land and created the state in palestine well to be honest by them coming in 1.00

00:54:49.080 and try and colonizing the whole zionist project in itself is a detriment to peace because you're

00:54:53.480 violating another group of people's um sovereignty you're you're you're just you're killing them 0.65

00:54:58.360 you're taking their land so the reality is if we're going to be all the way honest here um

00:55:03.640 the zionists are wrong in every single way it's not their land so then i think that yeah so i mean 1.00

00:55:07.320 i mean i feel like that's basically my argument that there's no there's nothing acceptable for

00:55:11.320 the for the palestinians i mean for them to even negotiate what i'm saying is for them to even

00:55:16.040 negotiate with them right they don't even i i would argue they don't even need to negotiate with them

00:55:20.040 because these guys are colonizers coming in killing you etc the israelis have been the aggressors and

00:55:23.720 we can work our way backwards we can work our forwards the 1967 war i don't even agree that's but

00:55:29.320 that's not even necessarily an agreeable point because the arabs the whole the country collapsed it was one 1.00

00:55:34.040 of the empires that was wiped off the map after world war one the ottoman empire completely collapsed

00:55:38.120 and then the land was owned at that point by the brits if the brits wanted to they could have just

00:55:41.720 had that as part of their country and called it britain too and moved in whoever they wanted there

00:55:45.080 no the brits were the brits were there basically you know managing it but they did not want to hold

00:55:49.320 on to it obviously they were weakened after the wars sure but it was the british were the one

00:55:54.360 were allowed to do what they wanted with it no because they won it in war right i don't i don't i

00:55:59.640 think they were just there trying to facilitate some type of force to come in and take it over

00:56:03.320 they were doing i'm saying they wanted in war the same way that the prior caliphates had won land

00:56:06.840 in war right they expanded in shrunken size based on what they were able to conquer the brits defeated

00:56:11.720 the brits on the winning side in world war one the ottoman empire was one of the great empires

00:56:14.680 that collapsed and the land sure brits to do what they wanted with it right yeah but they didn't

00:56:17.960 want it they they wanted to get rid of it i didn't say they wanted it i'm saying it was theirs

00:56:21.160 the way they wanted part of what they did with it was you brought up the balfour declaration

00:56:24.120 is they had made a promise to the jewish people who you know agreed to help in whatever way they

00:56:27.320 could in world war one they made a promise to them that they would allow there to be some

00:56:30.520 homeland for their safe haven for the jewish people i don't remember the fucking words or whatever

00:56:34.040 but that there would be some safe haven or some land for the jewish people in the middle east that

00:56:37.480 was a promise that the brits had made to the jews so the jews felt like they could rely on that promise 0.96

00:56:41.640 um the arabs lost that war the adamant empire collapsed they didn't have a country in the in 0.97

00:56:46.760 the middle east that was like their country it was the brits to basically divide up as they saw fit

00:56:51.080 all right let's go to we'll go to 1967 it's fine and we'll just kind of work our way right um

00:56:56.120 so at what point what point would uh the arabs ever have or the palestinians ever have accepted

00:57:03.000 peace or accepted a jewish state well i mean you'd have to ask them but what i'm saying is that every

00:57:09.000 single deal that was proposed by the israelis was either a done a bad faith be not fair whatsoever

00:57:15.240 despite them being a minority um and them using force etc like nothing was ever actually worth signing or

00:57:22.440 not worth agreeing to like i don't think anyone with half a brain would have agreed to it even

00:57:26.840 even israeli negotiators later on when asked hey yeah i wouldn't have agreed to that deal either

00:57:31.800 like everything whether it's also accords the 1967 uh the 1967 uh u.n security council 242

00:57:37.880 um the the abraham accords the camp david accords which didn't even involve the palestinians

00:57:42.200 whatsoever i would argue the abraham accords in uh 2020 with trump actually led to october 7th and then

00:57:49.240 we could fast forward all the way until last month or a couple weeks ago where they bombed qatar uh 1.00

00:57:54.200 during the middle of negotiations the the reality is the israelis sabotage every single peace deal

00:57:59.720 and then they lie and say oh no the palestinians don't want peace when in reality you got people 0.90

00:58:03.720 like benjamin netanyahu though the closest we ever came was maybe the oslo accords i would argue

00:58:07.480 maybe that came the closest but what did they do they assassinated yitzhak rabin who did it someone

00:58:11.960 from the lakud party the israelis yitzhak rabin was assassinated by a member of the lakud party

00:58:19.240 by a radical scientist yes by radical radical extremists that's precisely my point and then who

00:58:25.160 came into power after yitzhak rabin benjamin netanyahu because because even though yitzhak

00:58:29.560 rabin didn't forfeit anything he barely gave them anything he just basically gave them the plo which

00:58:34.360 was a scam in itself oh yeah you could uh the plo we're going to give you the palestinian authority 0.99

00:58:38.760 right which basically that's not we're going we're going way too far okay yeah but like i'm just i'm

00:58:44.840 just trying to point out the fact that rabin was murdered by an ultra radical scientist that's fine

00:58:48.280 sure but sadat was also assassinated as well and arafat felt like he would have been assassinated

00:58:52.600 if he ever made any peace so that with israel so that doesn't matter the the camp david of course

00:58:57.240 in 1978 are a joke they didn't even involve palace they didn't even involve the palestinians in it

00:59:00.920 whatsoever that was a peace deal palestinians it was a peace deal between egypt and and israel yeah

00:59:05.160 no but it was it was it's used all the time it's like oh yeah us negotiating peace but the reality

00:59:09.880 was just an agreement between the egyptians and the israelis to facilitate you know get the sinai

00:59:15.320 peninsula back etc make a deal it was the first it was a massive undertaking it's the first peace

00:59:20.040 deal between jews and arabs ever right yeah but they but people market it as if it was a deal that

00:59:25.000 benefited the palestinians it only hurt the palestinians it didn't help them well i don't 0.99

00:59:28.520 know who markets it that way it doesn't but all the time it's benefited the zionists say all the time oh

00:59:32.440 yeah uh you know they've they've dropped every single peace deal that we've given them and they

00:59:36.440 mentioned the camp david accords wait wait i'm sorry one second go ahead no worries um no so if i could just

00:59:42.360 continue if it's not here i mean the the title of the debate is who is a big obstacle to peace

00:59:48.520 and what you're saying is that you're not sure if the palestinians you know anything that the

00:59:52.120 zionists presented the palestinians wouldn't have accepted because the zionists were doing it in bad 1.00

00:59:55.960 faith yes and and but you can't name anything that the palestinians would have accepted so are you

01:00:00.520 saying both of them well here's the thing i i am not i am not i am not you know uh yas arafat i am

01:00:06.280 not one of the main negotiators i don't know what they would have accepted but what i what they wanted

01:00:10.200 was simply was obviously the the right of return let's be honest they're probably not going to get

01:00:15.880 that but they wanted some type of sovereignty right they wanted a palestinian state independent

01:00:20.920 and the israelis never gave them that ever that's all they wanted was hey look we're going to figure

01:00:25.160 something out even though these deals that you guys keep giving us are bullshit whether we're not even 0.68

01:00:28.920 invited to the table or we're not getting any type of sovereignty we're not getting any type of right

01:00:33.080 to determination they might get autonomy but it's always bullshit autonomy like the with things for

01:00:38.200 example with the 93 oslo accords right what basically happened was oh we'll go ahead and

01:00:42.920 give you guys the palestinian authority the palestinian authority was nothing more than a

01:00:45.960 shin bet front man there and and uh idf front man they would go ahead and just basically give information

01:00:52.440 to um to the israelis and you know you know it's funny how how we know that this is real

01:00:59.080 the israelis don't even hide from it and admit that oh yeah a lot of these uh these palestinian 0.87

01:01:03.000 groups especially the palestinian authority like work for us secretly like even in their tv shows they admit

01:01:07.880 that the pa works with basically works for them giving them information to subvert any type of

01:01:13.480 situations that the palestinians have yeah yeah it's fine he was asking me to explain different

01:01:17.720 different things but yes bro basically recognize the palestinian state giving them their uh right to

01:01:22.360 self-determination which the israelis will never give them and they've never given that what happened

01:01:26.200 on 48 that that's what was on option no it wasn't no that was not an option that was not an option

01:01:31.640 that was not an option the israelis the israelis still had the majority even the the majority of

01:01:37.400 the land despite being the minority and they were were ruling and even the palestinians that lived

01:01:41.720 in their territory they would have the authority over them so the thing with the israelis is this

01:01:45.960 they negotiate in bad faith and then they always ensure that they have the monopoly of force they

01:01:49.720 have the monopoly on on uh on airspace having a monopoly on on resources and that is how they always

01:01:55.160 negotiate and then when they the palestinians say no we don't want this they get into a war but why would

01:02:00.120 they accept anything where they don't have any type of right to determine a self-right determination

01:02:03.960 they would have had every right ever in 47 if they would have accepted the partition no they would

01:02:08.120 have had their own country yeah they would have their own country what do you mean their own country

01:02:11.400 but the israelis rule everything no dude no they wouldn't wait the israelis wouldn't have ruled

01:02:15.080 everything they would have ruled their part that they had and then the arabs would have ruled their 0.97

01:02:17.960 part no because the zionists had the majority of the land but it doesn't but that would but that's 1.00

01:02:24.040 their state the other land would be given to the arabs for their state and again like i told you before 0.98

01:02:28.200 who was running wait wait they would have been two separate states that was the whole point of

01:02:31.640 the partition that's what partition means okay okay let's be clear about this okay i said this before

01:02:35.800 i'll say it again back then who was the head who was the head of the zionist party it was ben

01:02:41.400 gurien right so we know since 1937 he had been planning to steal all the land he had been saying

01:02:47.160 this and right i'm just saying that but no that's important one eight one it would have been a jewish

01:02:51.880 state and it would have been an arab state that would have never happened that would have never 0.73

01:02:55.080 happened because ben gurien was that his intention was never to ever to stay you have no proof of

01:02:59.640 that there's no way i can't prove the counter i can't prove the counteractual he wrote yeah they

01:03:04.680 wrote that they hope that the jewish state would expand and everything that's fine but that's like

01:03:07.800 tons of people write letters and plans for hopes for a lot of different things we can't look at a

01:03:11.880 letter and written in 36 37 and say oh he would have betrayed this deal unless you can show me a

01:03:16.120 bunch of other deals that um israel like betrayed against arabs but it's hard to find those okay

01:03:20.520 never make the deals the first prime minister of israel ben gurien admitted himself we are going

01:03:27.880 to feign diplomacy we're going to pretend like we want to make peace and we are going to take all

01:03:33.000 the land it's in his letters you want me to pull it up i could pull it up it's in his letters dude

01:03:37.640 where he's writing into a son we are going to take all the land and we are going to you know let me i

01:03:41.240 think i wrote down the the exact quote you wrote let me let me find this for you i feel like the the

01:03:45.400 letter the thing was like a stepping stone into a future israeli home or something no it was a

01:03:50.680 stepping stone for them to take all the land they never were negotiating okay here we uh

01:03:56.440 okay we will abolish the port uh the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole land

01:04:03.160 of israel he wrote that to his son and he said and he admitted that the peel commission was simply

01:04:09.800 to get their foot in the door to get legitimacy once they got that legitimacy they will slowly

01:04:13.800 start to take land and then the numbers prove it bro 20 of the peel commission 56 in the in the um

01:04:18.760 1947 partition plan then in 1967 they wrote oh yeah we're gonna leave these territories they haven't

01:04:23.960 left them since because they ambiguously wrote the 242 uh charter which they didn't write the when they

01:04:31.160 said the territory so that allowed it for ambiguity and they use that fucking word salad 0.91

01:04:35.880 to their advantage and they've held those territories since

01:04:38.520 uh steven like i can't fight against the counterfactual but like the reality is is

01:04:45.480 there might be some truth to this um i think i'm quoting um shlomo ben ami here the arabs never

01:04:51.320 missed an opportunity didn't miss an opportunity or maybe that was about the jews both sides 0.72

01:04:54.040 seem to do it the reality is it's impossible for me to prove that the jews would have betrayed

01:04:58.440 you know you want to know it's funny you mentioned slow slow mobile

01:05:01.800 but wait wait let me just finish this thing there's no way that i could prove the counterfactual

01:05:04.840 there because arabs never accepted a deal ever there's so there's nothing that you could even 1.00

01:05:08.040 point to for the jews backstabbing a deal because the arabs never accepted they accepted the oslo

01:05:11.880 accords that's way that's like 50 years later that's a way way way way way different thing okay

01:05:17.960 we're making this accusation that they're negotiating a bad faith and all this but the reality is is this

01:05:22.440 is not true they would have accepted any deal because van gurien was obsessed with winning some kind

01:05:27.400 of favor with the west especially with france and britain at the time um because the us wasn't quite

01:05:32.360 seen as like the big boy quite yet but um the idea that they would have accepted something from

01:05:36.520 the u.n and then they would have just instantly backstabbed the arabs they would have lost the 0.58

01:05:40.520 support from anybody in the world they would have been completely isolated and they probably

01:05:43.720 gotten crushed by everybody i like but there's no way for me to disprove a nuclear bomb prove

01:05:47.480 this they had no then they have 48 not in 47 no no no no no no no no i'm talking about i'm

01:05:51.880 moving forward to the 60s now because yeah but we're still arguing in 48 i'm just saying that this

01:05:55.880 this division um the the that palestinian partition plan if it would have been accepted the arabs would 0.96

01:06:01.480 have had a state and jews would have had a state well the idea that jews would have conquered it 1.00

01:06:04.200 and taken it over there's just no way that you can prove that there's no way that i can disprove

01:06:07.560 your counterfactual i have this i have i told you his personal letters that he wrote to his son the

01:06:12.040 plan was never to actually do a two uh a two-state solution it was never to have any type of situation

01:06:16.840 with the they wanted the arabs gone that was the plan from the beginning why do you think they 0.99

01:06:21.160 aggressively fought to get the nuclear bomb why because they felt like they didn't have any allies

01:06:26.520 in the west and they were worried that they wouldn't be able to defend themselves from surrounding

01:06:29.240 arab countries no because they never wanted to have peace with anybody that that ever 0.93

01:06:36.360 but then why would they get the why would they make peace with israel and make peace with jordan

01:06:40.280 after they had the nuclear bomb no no they only made peace with jordan egypt because we basically

01:06:45.560 facilitated that and we give jordan and egypt a bunch of aid to do so wait but why but why

01:06:50.040 they didn't want to have peace with anyone why would they make peace with them if they got the

01:06:52.440 nuclear you just said they got the nuclear bomb so they wouldn't have to make peace with anybody

01:06:54.920 but they got a nuclear bomb and then afterwards they made peace because here's the thing

01:06:57.720 exactly and that's another argument i was going to make actually them procuring the nuclear bomb

01:07:01.400 and doing it illegally by the way while you know being involved in killing a u.s president 0.51

01:07:05.720 stealing their uranium the whole apollo affair this is true again i'm just saying that i'm just saying 0.99

01:07:11.400 that you just said that they got the nuclear bomb so they wouldn't have to make peace with anybody

01:07:13.960 but they got the nuclear bomb and then made peace with with everybody afterwards okay so no no they

01:07:18.440 only made peace with the egyptians and the jordanians for tactical reasons because united states didn't

01:07:22.440 want to have to always constantly watch their back with the borders because obviously from a strategic

01:07:26.040 standpoint the united states says look egypt and jordan we're going to give you guys a lot of

01:07:29.560 money play nice with israel because it would cost us more to help israel with their defense with

01:07:34.120 two countries around their border fighting them obviously lebanon didn't bite into this and they

01:07:37.560 said screw you guys we're going to keep fighting you guys but the reality is egypt and jordan only 0.58

01:07:41.720 play nice because we give them a lot of money they're they're number two and three but it was also

01:07:45.640 but everybody it was also in everybody's best interest to have peace between them so they

01:07:50.760 wouldn't be fighting each other anymore right like it was in israel's interest it was in

01:07:53.960 egypt's interest and it was in jordan's interest yeah but again here's the again this comes back

01:07:58.760 to us i could go all day with how israel there's not a peace broker whatsoever they start all the

01:08:03.400 wars in the middle east whether it's them getting the nuclear bomb which created the nuclear bomb

01:08:07.480 uh race arms race wait wait wait no one even created the nuclear bomb arms race what do you

01:08:11.240 mean everybody around the world was getting nuclear bombs when when israel got who do you think 1.00

01:08:14.200 they did most of their research with it was with south africa in the middle east everybody around

01:08:17.480 the world i'm talking about they started a nuclear arms race in the middle east and then on top of 0.63

01:08:21.800 that right on top of that they illegally who started the who was the first one to start the war in 47

01:08:29.080 what with the with with the arabs yeah yeah what about it the arabs started that the palestinians

01:08:35.000 started the war in 47 yes when okay and then in 48 when israel declared their the war of independence

01:08:40.600 after they won the civil war against the palestinians who started a war at that point in 48

01:08:45.560 i told you yeah the arabs started the war the arabs because they rejected the partition plan which was

01:08:50.040 obviously that which was not fair to them whatsoever the idea that israel started all

01:08:53.720 the wars doesn't seem to hold much who started the war who started yam kippur in 73 okay so they

01:08:59.160 started the 67 war right they started yeah they did start the 67 war i don't think i know that's a fact

01:09:04.600 that's how they won they snuck attack the egyptians that's that's how they won and then 0.55

01:09:08.200 why did they start that war why did they start that war well they claim they claim that the egyptians

01:09:14.120 were going to invade them is what they what they claimed why did they say that though because

01:09:17.800 because nasser had literally ejected all of the u.n peacekeeping forces out of the sinai and started

01:09:23.240 to deploy troops across the sinai to show the rest of the middle east of how big and Israeli intelligence

01:09:27.560 yes israeli intelligence said that israeli intelligence that's what happened u.n peacekeeping

01:09:31.560 forces were ejected from that region and this whole region and the and the occupation of this and the

01:09:36.040 closure of the um fucking strait of tyran was the whole reason why they had just had a war ten 0.70

01:09:40.600 years when i said when i said that they start the wars i wasn't referring i was referring to

01:09:44.600 the middle eastern wars of modern day society with the war on terrorism i'm talking about that

01:09:48.920 i'm saying yeah that's what i was referring to was yeah well i was look we could go back in time

01:09:55.400 because we're jumping all over here we're talking about uh 47 then we moved on to 67 i told you why

01:10:00.200 in 67 they did not um they didn't want to accept it um so wait a second let's just you're right you're

01:10:09.320 we're jumping around yeah yeah we go to the war on terror next and then and then obviously the

01:10:13.560 nuclear bomb and all that other stuff because because other thing that no one talks about with

01:10:17.160 67 is that obviously this let after the suez canal crisis israel went and worked and got the nuclear

01:10:22.840 bomb and that created a bunch of problems as well okay so before we go what do you want to do do you

01:10:27.160 want to stick on 48 do you want to go to 67 i think we're we're not going to agree on the on the

01:10:31.000 because he thinks that the partition plan would have gotten them a state i'm like we don't know that

01:10:35.000 i just think that that's what the partition plan was about to be clear that's what it was about

01:10:38.120 you say that there would have been a greater conspiracy to backstab the state afterwards

01:10:41.400 been gurian admitted this i can't fight no he didn't um and i can't do a counterfactual here

01:10:45.880 then we're an impasse there my thing is even if they had agreed to the 47 even though the rules were

01:10:51.000 at the um even though the deal was not to the favor of the palestinians whatsoever again we're

01:10:56.440 talking about less than 33 the percent of the population wanting for these six percent of the land

01:11:00.680 they would they'd have yes they'd have palestinians within their people but they would be basically

01:11:04.200 ruling them and they would have all the fertile land i wouldn't accept that either if i was a

01:11:07.160 palestinian and then on top of that they were killing them and destroying them and they had 0.96

01:11:10.920 a whole bunch of and these paramilitary organizations running all around why would they go ahead and

01:11:14.440 agree to that partition plan and then obviously a war ensued rightfully so they lost the war though

01:11:18.680 which is a l for them but the reality is we don't know how it would have went but what my argument is

01:11:23.640 ben gurian who was the leader of the zionist movement admitted since 1937 that it was never about

01:11:29.080 actually having a two-state solution it was about taking everything over and then if you look at the

01:11:32.120 peal commission he wanted 20 then you go to the partition plan they wanted 56 i mean it only

01:11:37.000 makes sense logically that they were asking for more land and the leader said he never wanted

01:11:41.240 a two-state solution so i don't believe that the 47 partition plan would have led to a two-state

01:11:45.640 solution that's my position there we can go to 67 though sure i mean that could be your position

01:11:49.720 there the reality is is the jews not nobody was happy with the partition plan um when it was first

01:11:54.680 suggested the eras weren't happy they intensified their civil war um the jews weren't happy because they

01:11:58.920 felt like they they barely had any land you know whatsoever and part of ben gurian as a politician part of his

01:12:05.000 his way to sell this because that quote i think comes from like a jewish council meeting part of

01:12:08.680 the way that he sold this to his people was basically hey listen right it sucks right now

01:12:12.520 but you know we'll expand to the future it'll be better in the future there's a politician selling

01:12:15.720 political words uh in order to get the the jewish people on board with accepting the petition plan

01:12:20.360 now you can make the argument maybe in the future that they would have engaged in some kind of

01:12:24.120 offensive war to take territory but i would argue that future behavior in wars doesn't seems to betray

01:12:29.400 that um even in 67 which we can go to uh like they were like they begged uh the jordanian king not

01:12:35.080 to invade they said don't do this don't attack us from the west bank it's not going to be good and

01:12:38.920 they and he did it anyway and then that's how jordan ended up losing their occupation of the west

01:12:42.920 bank to israel so i mean like we can say that that israel would have kept pushing for more land

01:12:46.600 maybe they would have but it's but unfortunately it's part of my argument it's impossible to ever

01:12:50.040 know that because arabs never agreed to any deal ever with regards to israel which also gave jews 0.88

01:12:55.480 basically infinite um you know ability to continue to fight and take what they wanted essentially

01:13:00.040 well i think the nine the oslo courts is where we'll get to that thing where they there was

01:13:04.680 something on the table there and we can address that next but i think the partition plan and the

01:13:08.200 appeal commission were bs and we can kind of get it we get it to 1967 now why they rejected uh i'll give

01:13:12.920 you my position i'll ask you a question before we move on tonight yeah sure i could just ask you a

01:13:16.520 question 1948 um you said the reason why you can't trust david ben gurren is because he wrote those letters to

01:13:22.280 his son yes um you also meant you also mentioned about menachem begin that he was a terrorist but

01:13:27.080 he's the one that managed to do a peace deal with egypt later on quite a few years later on

01:13:31.000 so if someone had one mindset at one point could they not have changed it and start doing peace like

01:13:37.160 menachem begin did yeah the only reason menachem begin did the deal with the egyptians is uh because

01:13:42.600 again the united states was involved and the united states was like look you guys need to do some kind

01:13:46.520 of peace with your neighbors because we don't want to foot the bill for all of your wars and all your

01:13:51.480 your conflicts it was a strategic move by the united states to get um the egyptians to work with

01:13:57.240 the israelis okay i mean i guess it didn't involve palestine whatsoever the the camp david accords was

01:14:04.360 a scam it had nothing to do with the palestinians it was a when and and it's funny because zionists 0.98

01:14:08.520 always use that it's not a scam it's not it wasn't supposed to have anything to do with the

01:14:11.400 palestinians but it had to do with the but it's marketed i get destiny me and you get that right

01:14:15.800 because we understand this stuff i'm telling you that other people all the time when i listen to

01:14:19.480 the zionists argue they use the camp david accords as an example of palestinians not accepting peace

01:14:24.120 they use it all the time you don't because you guys get it wait wait wait wait wait are you sure

01:14:27.400 you're not making the summit the 78 accords i'm talking about the 78 accords yeah but

01:14:32.120 we'll talk about that yes we'll talk about that too okay that was bs as well okay um

01:14:39.800 okay so we'll move on to the sixth table sure yeah yeah so with um with 67 right so just just so i

01:14:45.480 can make i'm just going to kind of summarize my thing so with the peel commission right we had the

01:14:49.800 issues where um you had hostile colonizers in there with their labor unions pushing out palestinians

01:14:56.840 taking their land etc even though destiny feels like it's not their land that's fine um but i'm

01:15:00.840 giving their their perspective right so ben-gurion enters into the peel commission in 1937 saying look

01:15:06.600 we're going to go ahead and answer this with the perspective of we are going to be legitimizing because

01:15:11.080 we are negotiating with these individuals even though we're colonizer invaders and that's

01:15:14.360 going to make us look legit and then we're going to ask for 20 which is what the appeal commission

01:15:18.040 wanted even though they wanted the fertile land and when he used private letters to his son the

01:15:22.120 plan all along was always to take the land fully then with the um 1947 petition plan they wanted even

01:15:29.160 though they were one uh less than one-third of the population they only owned six percent of the land

01:15:33.400 they wanted uh they wanted 56 percent of land obviously palestinians didn't agree to that either and that

01:15:37.640 ensued with a war later on because obviously they had the urgun hagana stern gang etc these gangs had been

01:15:43.880 killing and destroying multiple villages all across leading up to that partition plan and

01:15:49.960 obviously they declared uh there they after in 1948 they declared their um their independence i'm

01:15:55.000 putting it on speaker i can still hear you i'm just gonna run no problem no problem i'm recapping

01:15:58.120 anyway so you're good um and then may 15 1948 obviously they went ahead and they were able to

01:16:02.280 create their stay in that it created a war right um now we're going to get into and and again even

01:16:07.960 though people say the partition plan would have given them a state i don't believe that because

01:16:11.160 based off of the behavior by ben-gurion right where he started with 20 then he went to 56 despite

01:16:15.720 being the minority and we had those letters we know for a fact that the goal was never to actually

01:16:20.520 have peace it was to take the land fully from the beginning so that is my uh reasoning now let's get

01:16:25.800 into 1967 um obviously this was passed after the six-day war uh where they lost and they started this

01:16:31.240 whole concept of land for peace right that's what leads into the 1978 situation um so here's the

01:16:36.200 biggest problem with this resolution it was not specific about which territories the the israelis

01:16:41.480 would um would uh withdraw from it was not specific it just said they'll withdraw from territories um

01:16:47.240 and then withdrawal of israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict that's

01:16:52.440 what it said that's not descriptive whatsoever and where they would withdraw what are you reading

01:16:56.600 from are you reading well in this already proposed that's actually from the english um 1967 u.s

01:17:01.400 security council it says withdrawal what he's he's what he's reading from is it's this is resolution

01:17:05.640 242 that um commits people to creating some kind of place maybe for the palestines the one which

01:17:12.840 with the word the wasn't involved yes and that's very important there's a debate over it because the

01:17:16.600 french version of this didn't include it and the english version didn't or whatever and so people

01:17:20.440 are and the israelis and the israelis ran with the with obviously with the um french or the english

01:17:25.080 version that didn't specify which territories this is very important and then one of the people that

01:17:29.880 wrote this lord garradon from the uk admitted that they didn't put the the they're on purpose so i

01:17:35.480 mean that shows that there was never really an intent and at this point just so you know when 1967

01:17:41.240 this is when they had the most land was this when they were one of the most powerful this is why they

01:17:45.080 pursued the nuclear bomb right after this so there was never an intention to actually come to any type

01:17:50.040 of deal the goal was to prolong for a period of time control the territories get the nuclear bomb once you 0.54

01:17:56.600 get the nuclear bomb people can't do shit to you and they were able to do this later on with the

01:18:00.440 yam kippur war that's what saved them in the yam kippur war was the nuclear bomb so even if it meant

01:18:04.840 that didn't save them in yam kippur at all what saved them was the fact that america started to

01:18:09.080 replace hardcore all of their losses i think on day three into the war but but why did we come in and

01:18:12.920 save them at all destiny why did we come in and save them in 73 then um i i mean well because they were

01:18:18.600 our ally there and during the cold war is we were interested in because the soviets were supporting the

01:18:23.400 other side and we were interested in having a foothold there on the israeli side and israel was

01:18:26.520 kind of like the us entry point into the middle east no i'll tell you why because uh the pm um

01:18:31.320 goldemeier called nixon and said if you don't go ahead and give us this airdrop and you don't

01:18:35.960 support us we're going to drop a nuclear bomb on these guys and obviously after world war ii no 0.57

01:18:39.400 one wanted to see a nuclear bomb dropped again the israelis telegraphed this and soviet satellites

01:18:44.200 saw it that's how they knew that they were going to drop a nuclear bomb on them the only reason

01:18:48.040 they survived the yam kippur war because they were losing because they got a sneak attack back on

01:18:51.560 them and got to taste their own medicine the only reason they didn't lose is because of american

01:18:55.160 support and the fact that goldemeier literally blackmailed nixon with the nuclear bomb they were

01:19:00.680 going to drop the nuclear bomb and that's what that's why they're safe to this day yeah that i

01:19:05.000 just i don't 100 true historical thing that was 100 true that's not even a part of my argument here

01:19:09.800 but once again i'm just saying this to explain that all of this was posturing so that they could

01:19:14.920 get the nuclear bomb now we can go ahead and have a debate whether you know they're involved in

01:19:18.440 killing jfk or whatever that's fine we don't have to even have that debate but what i will say is

01:19:21.960 this jfk actively fought against the israelis getting a nuclear bomb everyone in his administration

01:19:27.560 was told about this i think it was eisenhower that was before um kennedy and they warned him that they're

01:19:31.960 trying to get a nuclear bomb and they if they get a nuclear bomb it's going to set off a chain

01:19:35.560 reaction in the middle east and the israelis when it got the nuclear bomb ben gurry installed for

01:19:40.360 months with kennedy how many bombs did they even have made at that point like one they had a few they

01:19:45.320 they had a few at that point what would the chain reaction even be well if you get a nuclear bomb

01:19:49.240 everyone else in the regions want to get a nuclear bomb that's going to create a problem for the 0.98

01:19:51.880 united states that's what that was kennedy's biggest fear was creating a nuclear arms race

01:19:55.640 in the middle east that's why he told ben gurian we need nuclear inspections and ben gurian lied to

01:19:59.640 him for several wait if they if they i don't understand if we were trying to avoid that israel

01:20:04.920 got a nuke though so it seems like that would have been wouldn't the better thing just been to let

01:20:07.640 them get destroyed by the arab states no they stole the nuclear stuff from us is what i'm trying to 0.97

01:20:12.440 explain they stole it from us testing was with south africa yeah but they got that they got the

01:20:16.680 material from us they stole it from us this was the all documented the apollo affair affair i don't

01:20:21.160 remember if this was promotion from france maybe but regardless i just don't like do you not think

01:20:25.400 that the united states had an interest in in seeing you know some kind of western friendly state existing

01:20:30.600 in the middle east considering the soviets were backing no no surprisingly surprisingly oh and a lot

01:20:36.280 of people don't know this wait wait no you think there was we had no interest all the stuff in

01:20:40.360 afghanistan um and the soviet invasion there we had no interest in anything in the middle east 0.96

01:20:44.280 i'll explain no no no we did we did but kennedy kennedy uh kennedy wanted to have uh peace with

01:20:50.120 the arabs he did not want to go ahead and just arm the israelis and give them a bunch of weapons

01:20:53.640 how can you have peace with the arabs they were backed by the soviets completely but like bought 1.00

01:20:56.760 and paid for there's no way they would have just agreed to peace with the united states doesn't

01:20:59.560 make any sense here's the thing he wanted to get influence with them to take them from the soviets

01:21:04.520 that was the goal the whole time and then obviously with the israelis doing what they were doing that put

01:21:08.680 them in a very precarious situation because he was trying to influence when with the with the

01:21:13.800 middle east when they already had they were already bought and paid for by the soviets the middle east

01:21:17.960 got a lot of their armor from that's where they got a lot of their intelligence support from the

01:21:20.760 middle east always plays both sides bro me and you both know this saudi arabia does this right there

01:21:24.840 you know one end they're like oh yeah we love america other end they're buying weapons from russia

01:21:28.360 and china like this is what the middle east does they've always done this but kennedy wanted to vie

01:21:33.080 for that for that support in in the middle east and he did understand the palestinian plight uh you

01:21:38.440 know he was never really a fan of ben-gurion and and the state of israel obviously a lot of people

01:21:43.800 don't know this because they had private letters going back and forth fighting with each other

01:21:46.840 but it's a known fact that kennedy had been fighting with ben-gurion and the israelis to stop

01:21:50.760 their nuclear program for years uh some people allege that's the reason that got him killed i won't

01:21:54.600 go into conspiracy theories but what the fact is is that that was absolutely a big point with the kenny

01:22:00.280 administration and his brother rfk was trying to get the zionist council to register under farah

01:22:04.840 this all created a lot of issues with them um and then nixon knew this um but then they ended up

01:22:09.720 getting okay one thing i don't i don't think anything of this is true and i don't even know

01:22:13.160 how we could begin to source any of these things but like let's okay back just like sure everything

01:22:17.640 i said is sure you can look it up while we're on the six day war yeah we're on the six day war so so

01:22:22.520 going back to the six day war right so what i was saying was basically um so the resolution wasn't

01:22:27.720 specific about the territories right it was withdrawal of israel armed forces from territories

01:22:32.280 occupied in the in the uh recent conflict versus the french version did say the territories right

01:22:37.640 um the lord carried on from the uk admitted that there was a lack of the and they did this on

01:22:42.840 purpose um israel put loopholes like this in charters all the time for decades um joel singer

01:22:48.200 and israeli legal advisor admitted to this as well that they purposely okay why can i just finish

01:22:53.560 bringing up real quick well why are you bringing up 242 here i'm just trying to what is the no no

01:22:56.440 we're talking about we're talking about 67 now we're off we're off uh 47. no but when you when

01:23:01.640 you're when you're bringing up the territories this is the wording that was used for resolution 242

01:23:06.360 that came at the end of the six-day war but this wording is only brought up when people are attacking

01:23:11.480 the idea that israel fulfilled their obligations to resolution 242 in 79 when they made peace with

01:23:15.560 israel because israel said that its obligations have been fulfilled because they had returned sinai which was

01:23:19.640 a conquered territory was an occupied territory that's why people bring up this um the

01:23:23.160 theoretically this difference in wording or the lack of the word the in the english version

01:23:26.680 versus the french version for resolution 242 so i don't know why it was relevant here for 67.

01:23:31.000 yeah it's it's well i'm referring to it with with uh with the palestinians and i'm saying that it's

01:23:35.560 it's relevant because they purposely wrote it this way so that they can go ahead and get a whole bunch

01:23:39.800 of shit done in the meantime um and not actually push towards um some type of real resolution to buy 0.60

01:23:46.120 themselves time um and then also what else here oh yeah and also they they the another big thing with the

01:23:51.960 i don't understand how that might be in 67 jordan pushed through the the west bank through jerusalem

01:23:57.640 to go into israel after israel bombed egypt right

01:24:05.080 you're you're saying after the six-day war the israelis won the six-day war i'm saying that

01:24:08.440 during i'm saying on was it june 6th i don't remember yeah it was june yeah it was like june 6th yeah

01:24:12.520 june of june 4th june 6th bombed israel bombed the egyptian airports yep and then nasser communicated to

01:24:19.400 king hussein that the airplanes that were flying back to israel they were actually his planes his

01:24:23.480 bombers and then the jordanian king readied his army to invade israel i want to say moshe dayan i

01:24:30.040 think was the minister of war whatever this point was communicating with the with the king and saying

01:24:33.800 hey don't do this don't invade us and he said i think the quote is the die has been cast and then

01:24:37.960 they invade and then jordan loses that invasion miserably and that's when israel conquers the west bank

01:24:42.760 it was in response to jordan attempting to invade okay so then they get the west bank there from jordan

01:24:46.920 um they get the um the gaza strip i guess in the sinai from egypt during that and then i think

01:24:52.760 east jerusalem from jordan well sure they i mean the whole west bank right includes

01:24:57.160 east jerusalem right um and then the um yeah yeah from syria right but this is in response to

01:25:03.800 fighting with all of these countries right yep okay so so what do we make what what i'm saying is that

01:25:12.760 they well number one we we know that they never really retreated from anything uh except for the

01:25:17.400 sinai peninsula because they struck the you know the the deal with with uh egypt but the point i'm

01:25:23.240 trying to make is is that this this document was written ambiguously on purpose and then it didn't

01:25:28.040 address the palestinian issue i'm talking more specifically with the palestinians because it

01:25:31.880 didn't even refer to the palestinians they just referred to them as uh it is basically like a refugee

01:25:37.320 problem they didn't even refer to them as the palestinians and they purposely left it that way why do you think that

01:25:41.480 is though well there was no intention of ever giving them any type of sovereignties there

01:25:47.000 was no well there the idea or the existence of like a palestinian people that's a more recent

01:25:52.440 phenomenon i mean they really emerged that much until like 47 48 and then from 48 to 67 the west

01:25:59.240 bank was occupied by jordan jordan annexed it formally just made all those people jordanian citizens

01:26:03.560 egypt annexed the gaza strip and for one year had like a little faux government that they ended up

01:26:07.400 recalling to cairo and the disbanding almost immediately like after a year so there were no palestinian

01:26:11.240 people there it wasn't until israel occupied both territories that all of a sudden some people

01:26:16.120 started to talk about like a palestinian people but i believe yeah 242 justice just calls it the

01:26:20.600 refugee problem but another reason why that resolution completely it doesn't because nobody

01:26:25.160 knew what to do at that point nobody knows like what do you do at that point like the idea like

01:26:28.840 they're not going to say these territories should be independent they weren't independent before

01:26:31.800 israel conquered them they were owned by jordan and egypt right well what i'm saying is that it

01:26:35.640 didn't address the problem at all it didn't address the right of return whatsoever completely like ignored

01:26:39.880 it um and then also on top of that my argument is they had no intention of having peace because

01:26:44.840 while this was going on they also bombed the u.s liberty right uh that was during the six-day war

01:26:51.560 yes yes so the while this was going on they bombed the uss liberty right and then after that they went

01:26:57.400 ahead and tried to get the nuclear well they already had the nuclear bomb at this point and they were

01:27:00.920 working ahead in the 67 but yeah they got yeah they got it pretty much that year and

01:27:04.760 they so what what i'm arguing is that israel is not a true broker of peace whatsoever whether it's

01:27:10.280 not acknowledging the palestinian problem yeah but you're giving them their sovereignty where

01:27:13.480 all they're getting like fighting against israel it's not like israel is the one who's like 0.67

01:27:17.000 starting these wars right the air well they started the 67 war not really i mean they started

01:27:21.720 it dude yeah because because the entire arab world poised themselves as being about to about

01:27:26.680 to attack right well here's the thing they they started the war right they started the war they

01:27:32.920 didn't address the policy and problem the right of return etc when i'm talking about this this piece

01:27:36.680 i'm saying that nasser had already closed down the same straits that had led to a war 10 years earlier

01:27:41.560 kicked out all of the u.n peacekeeping troops to ensure that there wouldn't be another war

01:27:45.160 and then was telling people the arab trade unionists the next war will be a war of annihilation 0.55

01:27:49.800 um yeah i mean it looked like they were poised for war you could argue but they didn't start

01:27:53.080 technically they didn't start they didn't start technically but it was obviously because your

01:27:56.600 argument you're saying is that the the you said that the arab started the arab started they didn't

01:28:00.120 the israelis started that one no but they were poised for war that you could argue that the closing

01:28:05.000 of those straits was across his belly for war they had been fighting bro they're always poised for

01:28:09.800 war they're they're obviously right now they're poised for war like you can make the argument that

01:28:13.720 they're not even close to poised for war right now absolutely no i'm saying i'm saying other countries

01:28:17.800 i'm saying israel before the six-day war the straits of tyran were closed weren't they you

01:28:23.320 know there are a hundred thousand a lot of troops in uh near israel's borders and uh if you look at

01:28:28.600 historians a lot of historians say that the israelis and a lot of them reservists called up so they

01:28:33.320 were like in a state of emergency so it was more of a of a state of war more than ever it wasn't you

01:28:39.800 know the whole time but here's the thing you can make the argument that israel's always in a state

01:28:43.480 of war because they're always getting attacked right people are always shooting missiles in in

01:28:46.680 there that's why they have the iron dome and everything else like that the point i'm trying

01:28:49.240 to make is that's not true all that way that people are always shooting no the palestines

01:28:52.600 from the gaza strip might have passed like the year 2000 but prior to that there weren't always

01:28:56.200 people just shooting random things like this is a huge escalation expelling the un peacekeeper troops

01:29:01.080 and starting to deploy military across the sinai was a big explanation uh um explanation escalation of

01:29:06.520 stuff and this was literally what it just caused the prior war so the assumption was that oh well

01:29:10.280 i guess they're about to invade again well again who started the war it wasn't the arabs you can 1.00

01:29:14.280 say that they postured all day but did they start the war they didn't it was the israelis that started

01:29:17.560 the war on 60 on 1967 so what i'm trying to say is that again the the debate is who is a bigger

01:29:24.360 obstacle to peace i would argue the israelis because again they get they went they win they

01:29:29.320 start the war they win the war fair then they don't address the palestinian issue they write the

01:29:34.680 the um the u.n how would they have addressed the palestinian issue what would they have said or done

01:29:38.760 they had a right to return that had been agreed upon before that where with the

01:29:41.560 u.n no there was absolutely no agreement before that the right of return had the right of return

01:29:45.480 had existed before that and they they completely ignored it in this uh in 242 no they completely

01:29:50.280 ignored it existed before that prior to this we have what the the armanian genocide the expulsion

01:29:53.640 of some million some greeks from turkey what do you mean right of return had been agreed

01:29:56.600 upon no this is absolutely not the case there was a palestinian right of return after the nakba

01:30:01.160 there was the right of return the 242 didn't address it whatsoever again my there was no right of

01:30:06.600 return after the i don't know what you're talking about there's no right of return that was

01:30:09.160 guaranteed by any international or domestic people here i'll get it free real quick i had it written

01:30:13.960 down real fast yeah u.n general assembly 194 does that call for a right of return or does that just

01:30:21.720 say adjust resolution to the uh that is that is that is that addresses the palestinians right to return

01:30:28.440 u.n general assembly 194 again what i'm arguing here is i'm arguing that the pal the israelis are a

01:30:36.040 bigger obstacle to peace than the palestinians and my argument when it comes to the 1967 war 0.82

01:30:41.560 is they ambiguously wrote the uh the document not including the territories they didn't acknowledge

01:30:46.920 the palestinians whatsoever they just left it as like kind of a refugee problem versus the people

01:30:51.080 that were originally there being displaced they didn't give a shit about them they didn't acknowledge 0.99

01:30:54.280 the right to return whatsoever um and then they were procuring okay and then they're procuring a

01:30:58.040 nuclear bomb which is not going to help at all so the language here is refugees wishing to return 0.99

01:31:02.280 to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the

01:31:04.920 earliest practicable date and that the compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing

01:31:08.760 not to return and for a lot so this wasn't just about palestinians there were also jews that were

01:31:12.280 expelled from the west bank when that war happened as well they weren't allowed back nobody was allowing 1.00

01:31:15.480 anybody back all of these territories were in conflict with each other the majority of the

01:31:19.080 people that were displaced were overwhelming the palestinians we're talking about almost a million

01:31:22.440 people yeah sure well like so yeah but yeah but that's because the israeli side won

01:31:29.080 but there were some i think it was less it might have been less than a hundred thousand again but

01:31:32.920 there were jews that were um display it doesn't matter with the number nobody was seeking to

01:31:36.920 figure out this quote-unquote refugee problem all of these territories were so actively at war with

01:31:40.760 each other we're referring to the 1967 right i'm arguing that the israelis i think are a bigger

01:31:47.960 obstacle to peace than the palestinians and that was my arguments for 1967. once again ambiguous

01:31:53.400 for writing the document not addressing the palestinians the right to return um uh procuring the

01:31:58.520 nuclear bomb in the middle of all of this right illegally by the way doing it by stealing from

01:32:02.760 the united states which is a whole other uh huge provocation because of procuring a nuclear bomb

01:32:06.760 is obviously going to escalate things to a whole other level everybody around the world was like

01:32:10.200 doing research on like procure like this is when a lot of people around the world were procuring

01:32:13.400 nuclear weapons britain and france did their research for it um the israel did it largely with

01:32:17.800 conjunction of south africa procuring a nuclear bomb india and pakistan were starting like their

01:32:22.440 research project yeah everybody was trying to get because it was sure but procuring a nuclear bomb

01:32:27.000 by stealing from your greatest ally and then uh obviously subverting the president before and

01:32:31.960 getting somebody just allied the united states wasn't a huge ally to israel until like 73.

01:32:37.400 no we were we were absolutely giving them quite a bit of money with during even during the

01:32:41.000 kennedy administration and they were lying to us ben-gurion was lying to kennedy all over the place

01:32:45.160 so they were betraying one of their greatest allies yeah we're allies with israel we definitely were

01:32:49.480 giving them aid even back then in the 60s we weren't as great as the linda b johnson started the

01:32:53.960 cucking for israel but kennedy was a supporter of the israelis and he wanted to have some type of

01:32:59.000 two-state and peaceful solution with the arabs and with the israelis obviously got killed before

01:33:02.680 he can do that but um just to be clear marin i think uh the us sent uh sold israel's first

01:33:08.440 offensive weapon in 1958 sure but they should not have that but they were not allowed to have nuclear

01:33:13.720 weapons and they were getting them illegally uh against kennedy's will the united states did not

01:33:19.560 provide significant aid to israel until i think it was like yeah until yeah until linda b johnson

01:33:25.320 came in that's when we started cucking for israel yes you're you're right but what i'm trying to

01:33:28.680 explain here is they went ahead and got a nuclear weapon illegally by stealing from us who were their

01:33:33.880 allies and knowing that that would escalate tensions in the region by getting a nuclear bomb

01:33:39.480 couldn't they have also got that because they wanted some safety and security knowing that they

01:33:42.680 wouldn't be destroyed by all of the surrounding arab states uh no because because the them having a 0.98

01:33:47.800 nuclear bomb was so that they can basically do what they wanted to do the whole time since the 0.92

01:33:52.280 days of bengurian which was take over the entire region and have a nuclear bomb nothing literally

01:33:57.560 nothing that you're saying is making any sense you're saying that it's inconceivable that they

01:34:02.200 would have wanted a nuclear bomb to keep their state safe you're saying instead they got one for

01:34:05.640 offensive purposes after they got a nuclear bomb they gave land back to the arabs and made more peace 0.82

01:34:10.680 with the arabs so their entire plan worked backwards nothing that you're saying is causally

01:34:14.280 connected to anything if what you were saying was true prospectively after they got the nuclear

01:34:17.640 bomb they should have captured cairo they should have gone north to lebanon and take a beirut or

01:34:21.160 they should have you know crossed the the river and taken uh you know more of jordan or they should

01:34:24.840 have gone and expanded their territory in the golden heights they didn't do any of this they

01:34:27.960 lost their territory receded after they acquired a nuclear bomb so it seems like it's working exactly

01:34:31.640 the opposite but somehow you can still explain the same behavioral pattern i don't understand that at

01:34:34.840 all yes because here's the thing um the united states basically forced them to play nice with

01:34:40.680 the egyptians with jimmy carter and is is getting the cam david accords in 1978 because again we didn't

01:34:46.200 want to foot the bill for their recklessness obviously why would we have to foot the bill

01:34:49.560 for anything we could just let them fight and it wasn't at the it wasn't i don't think it was i

01:34:53.400 think it was sadat that was pushing for peace um more so than anybody in the united states i think

01:34:59.160 the united states eventually became a mediator or a facilitator um under carter more than anything

01:35:03.400 else well yes we facilitated but at the same time we didn't want to foot the bill for all their wars

01:35:07.240 because obviously had been creating quite a bit of issues and then also the yom kippur war was a very

01:35:11.720 close call we don't want to foot the bill for their wars we were literally doing this all over the

01:35:14.840 world it was the cold war time we were doing this all over south america we were already you know

01:35:18.600 helping like mujahideen in the middle east um in afghanistan like we were putting the bill everywhere

01:35:25.320 even even more so not wanting to foot the bill because again when it comes to egypt and jordan

01:35:30.200 they're in strategically good positions where hey you know what you should be allies with them so that

01:35:34.120 we don't have to necessarily put the bill where these guys constantly have to defend themselves also

01:35:37.720 the other thing you got to keep in mind was the yom kippur war in 1973 where they threatened to use

01:35:42.280 a nuclear bomb so that was another reason why we needed to i don't think they ever nobody threatened

01:35:46.680 israel threatened to use nuclear bomb yes yes yeah they absolutely on him goldemeier literally called

01:35:53.480 nixon and said if you don't give us an airlift we are going to drop a nuclear bomb on these guys as 0.62

01:35:57.240 they're invading us because they were going to lose the yom kippur war everybody knows this nixon 0.60

01:36:01.240 literally got nuclear blackmailed with the nuclear bombs by the way that they illegally stole from us and

01:36:05.800 want to make that very clear these nuclear weapons that they got they got them from us and they stole 0.84

01:36:09.320 them from us okay against john f kennedy so nixon said yo we got to do this and he basically gave

01:36:15.160 them the biggest airlift ever so they can win the war otherwise it would have lost so what i'm saying

01:36:20.040 is that the israelis the israelis not only what was that where do you find that where's the source for

01:36:25.160 that that that israel threatened look look look it up look it up goldemeier uh yom kippur war she was

01:36:31.400 absolutely going to use the nuclear bomb against the arabs because they were losing it's 100 that's a fact 1.00

01:36:36.840 because they were losing is a lot different than because they were threatening to nuke somebody

01:36:41.000 yeah they were losing the war and they were going to use the nuclear bomb yeah i think they were 0.96

01:36:45.240 internally considering that but i don't think that that's what made the us cave that's helping

01:36:49.560 that's 100 why the us cave they did not want them to drop a nuclear bomb so you're saying that if israel

01:36:53.800 didn't have a nuclear bomb at that point that the united states would have just watched the entire

01:36:57.320 middle east be ran by the soviet we we would not have we would not have given them the aid as quickly 0.87

01:37:02.360 because kissinger at the time uh no no no no hold on you're saying the united states would have

01:37:06.760 watched israel collapse yeah and then you're saying you're saying the us would have watched israel be

01:37:10.440 completely destroyed in the middle east and just ceded that whole region to the soviets

01:37:14.840 there's a good chance yeah because henry kissinger did not want to get involved involved in the afghan 0.97

01:37:18.920 civil war then why were we supplying so much and doing so much training and everything to the

01:37:22.280 for the mujahideen or other places in the middle east well again they were osama bin laden was had a

01:37:28.440 very capable rebel force where he was fighting we were giving him weapons and money and

01:37:31.560 shit like that but keep in mind osama bin laden was a multi multi-millionaire his family were

01:37:35.960 billionaires in in in saudi arabia they built up the entire infrastructure so he was very well

01:37:41.080 equipped to handle things on his own yes we gave some aid and support and everything else like that

01:37:44.120 but we didn't need to give him the same amount of help as the israelis and again it's very important

01:37:48.280 for you guys to understand the israelis got the nuclear weapon by stealing the technology from us

01:37:53.720 against the will of a former u.s president that's a problem that's a big problem so just to recap

01:37:59.560 you're saying that the reason why the us in the 1973 war i presume we're going to that one now

01:38:04.680 uh the reason why they gave 2.2 billion dollars worth of aid to israel and that they called death

01:38:09.640 con 3 um against the ussr was just because israel threatened them with a nuclear bomb they were

01:38:16.600 going to drop a nuclear bomb on their enemies and that was a big problem because obviously yeah that

01:38:21.560 would be a big escalation and nixon could not afford that so he gave that he gave uh goldemaier the aid that

01:38:27.080 she wanted and uh that's what ended up happening that's how they won the yam kippur war they were

01:38:31.480 going to lose but i i wasn't even gonna but again i'm using the the only reason i'm even bringing up

01:38:37.960 the yam kippur war is because i'm making the argument that the israelis don't do any they're

01:38:42.840 the bigger brokers of chaos uh and they they don't negotiate for peace whatsoever and i'm using the

01:38:47.960 nuclear bomb them getting a nuclear bomb right in 1967 created instability throughout the region is

01:38:54.280 what i'm trying to say because my argument is that do they no one do you not think they want

01:38:58.760 peace as a country um no no not right now i think what they want is a hegemony and they're going to

01:39:05.000 do whatever they need to do to get that hegemony to include stealing the nuclear weapons and running

01:39:09.560 their cowboy foreign policy we could fast forward to now if you want but um but this one i was going

01:39:15.000 to go into the oslo accords next because the camp david accords post 73 what's like a more stable if

01:39:20.520 israel is causing chaos or israel is like a chaotic country who is a more stable country to look towards 1.00

01:39:25.400 like after 73 besides israel like isn't israel one of the more stable countries in the middle east

01:39:33.000 well again they're they're stable because they've done uh they've stolen nuclear technology from us and

01:39:38.280 they've called you know they they get aid from us like that's why israel would not exist without the 0.99

01:39:43.400 united states at all they'd be overtaken immediately much the same they i mean the the um the soviet

01:39:50.840 backed arab states would have probably all been even more annihilated by israel prior to any use 0.98

01:39:55.080 involvement with the soviets weren't backing them no i mean yes you know that's i we don't know

01:40:01.720 because that's like you know who knows right but the point of my argument is simply that i don't i think

01:40:08.200 again i'm not saying arab worlds is is perfect guys i'm not saying arab world don't create problems and 1.00

01:40:12.840 that they're not broke that they're bad brokers of peace too i my argument the argument i'm making

01:40:17.960 is that the israelis are a far bigger obstacle to peace than anywhere in the arab world uh even 0.94

01:40:24.520 though we go and blame the arab world for all the problems but we never actually look at the documents

01:40:28.600 we don't look at what israel does behind the scenes i mean you guys didn't even know that they illegally

01:40:31.800 got a nuclear weapon and this is on purpose i don't want you guys to know this stuff i've heard that

01:40:35.640 claim but like most of their testing and everything was with south africa what are you claiming exactly

01:40:38.840 that they stole from the us okay so the weapon the technology or the uranium or what yeah yeah

01:40:43.240 they stole uranium they uh they were they were building a nuclear program uh against the wishes

01:40:48.200 of john f kennedy john f kennedy told them multiple times in terms of what they stole you said so they

01:40:51.880 stole all the enriched uranium they stole from the united states they saw enriched uranium from the

01:40:56.040 united states and then on top of that kennedy knew that they're running a nuclear program and he told

01:40:59.720 them you guys got to stop we need inspections and uh ben-gurion lied to him he even made a fake nuclear

01:41:04.280 panel um for inspection kenny found out and he got pissed off and his brother was trying to get

01:41:09.080 the zionist organization which is now apac to register other people around the world were also

01:41:13.160 pursuing nuclear programs it wasn't just israel right a lot of people in the cold war were

01:41:16.440 pursuing nuclear programs we didn't really want anybody to but people were and we didn't stop them

01:41:19.960 fucking pakistan has has nuclear weapons right more people but here's the difference than pakistan 0.91

01:41:24.280 but fair here's here's the difference though here's the difference we were giving them aid so

01:41:28.520 kennedy told them if you guys keep building your nuclear program we are going to stop giving you aid

01:41:32.920 and guess what happened ben-gurion resigned the the first prime minister of israel resigned to buy

01:41:38.440 himself more time wait resigned in what year uh this is 1960 yeah uh i think in 67 i think ben-gurion

01:41:47.000 was still the prime minister yeah i think yeah i think he might have resigned that year afterwards

01:41:50.600 did he resign or did he just not run for pm again he was he completely left he completely left because

01:41:56.680 the the um yeah he left because uh kennedy was putting pressure on him and he needed more time

01:42:02.760 they needed more time to get the nuclear bomb

01:42:06.440 well kenny was dead by 63 but um this this might have been we weren't giving them much aid under

01:42:13.000 kennedy how much was we giving israel we were given 63 we were giving them quite a bit and then we

01:42:17.400 upped it even more once uh lynda b johnson came in lynda b johnson was the beginning i would have to

01:42:22.120 see i don't think we were given that much aid i don't think it was until 1970 that we started to

01:42:25.480 uh and then really 73 lynda b johnson lynda b johnson was the beginning of the ushering of the super pro

01:42:31.160 israel uh foreign policy that we have he basically made the guys on the us's liberty sign gag orders

01:42:35.960 even though they had attacked us and that was an act of war he like doubled or tripled the foreign 0.59

01:42:41.000 aid to israel um his family one of his aunts was a founding member of the adl my claim is i don't

01:42:46.280 think we were giving to give an aid prior to 1970 we don't know there's a place i can look this up we

01:42:50.040 were this like can i look because if i google anything about aid to israel we were giving them

01:42:53.640 started in 1970 we were 100 we were giving them aid because that is precisely why ben-gurion stepped down

01:42:58.600 because kennedy said if you know law if you do not comply with these nuclear inspections we are

01:43:03.960 going to um our our aid of us giving you aid is going to be significantly impacted basically he said

01:43:10.120 what he basically told him is we're going to stop giving you aid he wrote worded it much nicer than

01:43:13.160 that i think i don't have gone around the nuclear but it's probably best to just yeah my argument the

01:43:18.040 whole nuclear angle the only reason i'm even bringing up the nuclear bomb is that what i'm saying is that

01:43:22.120 the israelis are willing to backstab allies to illegally get a nuclear bomb to conduct and and

01:43:28.440 or what they say oh to protect ourselves but no it's so that they could be more aggressive look at

01:43:32.200 how more aggressive israel's been since getting the nuclear bomb but let's go into we go into the 0.77

01:43:37.080 camp david accords i'm going to you know that was for egypt and and uh and and egypt and israel to

01:43:43.400 have peace basically when i can't begin and so that i don't count that sure we could fast forward

01:43:47.240 there's so many little things here like that we were just like completely indifferent at this

01:43:50.360 point that's fine you want to go to like the apollo affair didn't happen when we were strong allies

01:43:54.280 with israel it was in 65 so this we wouldn't have been considered strong allies at that point we

01:43:57.640 weren't giving them a ton of money at that point um we're still giving them quite a bit though we're

01:44:01.240 still giving them a lot that's true no i know we weren't we weren't um yeah we weren't so like

01:44:07.480 enough for ben-gurion to resign it was that much aid that he had that he resigned that's significant

01:44:12.920 we're talking about the first prime minister of israel claim you're making that he resigned so that they

01:44:16.920 would investigate but they couldn't find the nukes anyway or it's simple kennedy told ben-gurion

01:44:21.800 we know that you have a nuclear program he wrote a bunch of fear a flurry of angry letters at him

01:44:26.440 saying we know that you have a nuclear weapon and uh we need to do nuclear testing ben-gurion stalled

01:44:32.600 first he denied then he said okay you can come uh inspect they send inspectors over there it's

01:44:37.080 a fake nuclear panel not real whatsoever they make a whole fake thing so kennedy is like okay uh

01:44:43.640 we are not going to give you aid anymore if you guys don't comply with these nuclear inspections

01:44:47.080 what did ben-gurion do he resigns why would that matter for him resigning how would that prevent

01:44:52.600 nuclear inspection um because because what ended up happening was when in the interim while they're

01:44:57.400 trying to find a new pm that bought him time to get a replacement so they can continue the

01:45:01.800 nuclear program it's not like they didn't have a prime minister for years after he resigned he would

01:45:06.840 choose a successor which eshkol after whatever the idea like why wouldn't they just do the inspection

01:45:11.160 right after this doesn't make any sense because he thinks that they're going to glue inspect so he

01:45:14.200 just pushes the resign button and then they went like 100 free turns he he he literally left so

01:45:19.000 that his replacement would be like oh i'm not familiar what's going on john please aware of me

01:45:23.640 of course kennedy got killed later on right so they didn't really get to finish this but the reason why

01:45:27.960 he did that remember bro this is the 60s they're writing telegrams to each other right so for this

01:45:32.280 bought him a significant amount of time if he was a telegram isn't that electronic it's not like

01:45:36.040 telegrams are taking years or whatever to get no it took it took time to get over there they didn't have

01:45:40.600 a way to pick up a there were no phones in 1960 they didn't have phones in the 60s and 50s it's

01:45:45.560 classified got it there's classified documents they have to write in a different way

01:45:52.520 you can look it up bro i'm like yo this kennedy thing is like instantaneously communicate with

01:45:57.640 each other i don't think that it i don't think there'll be weeks and that's fine the point the

01:46:01.000 point is is that ben gureen resigned when he got pressure to have nuclear inspections

01:46:05.480 that's the bottom line okay i mean i i mean i disagree i don't we can try to move on from this

01:46:12.440 fact sure we're just gonna go around yeah that's fine steven wait should we go into that or should

01:46:17.560 we go into the camp david occult um okay yeah we can go uh no uh camp david i was going to skip

01:46:22.440 because that's just a peace treaty between egypt and and um and israel the title of the debate is

01:46:27.320 who's a big obstacle to peace wouldn't it then doing a peace deal with egypt show that they do well i'm

01:46:32.360 i'm i'm i'm referring i'm referring to the palestinians in this case when yeah because

01:46:35.960 they because they completely yes they made peace with egypt but they made peace with egypt from

01:46:40.200 a strategic position which you can you can make the argument oh well my and everything is done

01:46:43.320 strategically fair but they completely ignored the palestinians and the camp david accords

01:46:47.240 are often utilized as a um as as a as a peace plan where they say look the palestinians rejected this

01:46:53.480 too they rejected every single peace plan they rejected the peel commission they rejected the 47

01:46:57.160 partition they rejected the 67 they reject and they use the camp david accords even though it's not

01:47:02.360 the palestinians aren't even mentioning no one here is yeah no one here is claiming that yeah

01:47:06.120 yeah no not you guys but i'm saying in general like other zionists i've debated have tried to

01:47:10.440 say that on me that like oh yeah they rejected the 78 uh camp david accords i'm like dude the

01:47:14.760 palestinians weren't even involved in that discussion whatsoever and then on top of that i would argue

01:47:19.480 that the israelis did that because they knew that the egyptians were a powerful ally of the palestinians

01:47:24.120 right in the arab world and that would create even more problems because like there's no way that they 1.00

01:47:28.040 didn't foresee okay if we go ahead and we do this with the egyptians that this isn't going to

01:47:32.120 create issues as well because what we saw later on if you fast forward to 2020 was the israelis

01:47:37.640 doing this where they're you know circumventing the palestinians with the abraham accords that led

01:47:41.880 directly to october 7th so on one side they say oh look we're doing peace we're we're negotiating with

01:47:47.480 these arab countries but they never answer the palestinian question and that's that's what i'm

01:47:51.160 trying to say they never had an intention on on a two-state solution making peace with palestinians

01:47:55.720 giving them the right to their right um the self-determination any type of sovereignty they

01:48:00.680 circumvented it every single way whether it's doing side deals with other countries whatever

01:48:05.480 do you think that they offered in to egypt that part of the camp david accords to keep gaza they

01:48:09.960 offered it to got to egypt and egypt said no does that make any difference to you or not really

01:48:15.480 no because um they my argument is that they don't really care about doing anything for the palestinians

01:48:20.600 they want to get them out of there and i think what we have proof of that now i think i'm being

01:48:23.800 vindicated because they're getting the gazas out of there now they're trying to do an ethnic cleansing

01:48:27.240 right now as we speak they bomb qatar who was the negotiators they because they don't care about 1.00

01:48:31.720 necessarily doing peace they're like oh you know what let's go ahead and invade the sovereignty of

01:48:35.480 qatar who's one of the middlemen and bomb these hamas guys right and and and not even get them and 0.66

01:48:40.440 look like idiots in the world stage and make ourselves look bad in front of uae suda arabia

01:48:45.400 qatar make the gulf states question our our um you know our our alliance or potentially joining the 0.99

01:48:50.920 abraham accords later on because saudi arabia is going to actually join the abraham accords

01:48:54.040 so there's just so much um there's just so many things that the israelis have done to sabotage

01:48:59.240 but we can go into the oslo of course i can give my position on that one yeah steven are you happy to

01:49:02.760 move on to also i mean i guess but we're like totally different we don't have to agree steven

01:49:08.600 i mean it's for the people like you gave your arguments i gave mine people can agree or disagree

01:49:12.360 i'm sure your audience might say what the hell my audience might say what the hell it's fine

01:49:17.160 um but we don't have to agree and that's that's totally cool i guess like broadly speaking

01:49:21.080 go ahead is there a single like peace agreement that has been presented to israel that's on the

01:49:27.240 table to solve like the palestinian problem that like israel has rejected during negotiations you

01:49:33.320 mean the palace the closest you mean the one that like the palestinian rejected that could have done 1.00

01:49:36.600 something you mean like any like where palestinians like this is what we want and then we will accept 1.00

01:49:40.520 peace during any negotiation ever i think the oslo accords and the um 2002 arab summit air peace

01:49:48.200 initiative well so the two so that so the oslo accords were never going to be that was never a

01:49:52.680 peace a great agreement that was just like a framework to kind of move in the direction of

01:49:56.680 hopefully figuring stuff out so the oslo accords happened and also too happened the arab peace

01:50:01.640 initiative is just that's not like a formal agreement that's just the arab states are like oh like yeah

01:50:05.640 all of us are coming together and hoping that something works out the israelis didn't want want to do

01:50:08.840 that either because they never wanted peace with they never wanted my i don't even know the arab

01:50:12.840 peace and if you don't mean anything it's just like a general statement of things but nobody knows

01:50:16.840 because nobody wants to touch the refugee question on the palestinian side nobody will negotiate

01:50:20.520 perfect and i avoided it intentionally over and over again and i and i'm really glad that you

01:50:23.800 mentioned that and that is that is that because here's the thing if you notice when i make the

01:50:27.880 argument that um israelis are a bigger obstacle to peace notice how um i'm saying a bigger obstacle

01:50:33.560 to peace especially when it comes to the palestinians because here's the problem until the palestinians 1.00

01:50:39.080 either a get their own state or get absorbed into israel and get some type of freedom and get the

01:50:42.680 rights of self-determination there is never going to be peace in the middle east so if this

01:50:46.440 palestinian question is not answered there's going to continuously be warfare and israel will never 0.98

01:50:50.680 have peace that's the cold hard reality their world is never going to rest the muslim world is never 1.00

01:50:54.600 going to rest until the palestinians have some level of sovereignty so notice how i bring everything 0.99

01:50:59.240 back always to they circumvent the palestinians they don't deal with the palestinians let's deal 1.00

01:51:02.920 with the egyptians here let's deal with the bahrain over here let's deal with uae that doesn't 1.00

01:51:06.440 fucking matter until they deal with the palestinian question which netanyahu has done everything in his

01:51:10.600 power to avoid since the oslo accords which i was going to get into here i do think the oslo accords was the

01:51:15.160 closest we ever came to something even though it's still bullshit but at least like you said 0.52

01:51:18.680 destiny it created the framework for us to potentially get somewhere but what did the

01:51:22.440 israelis do well let's go over the oslo accords real quick then i'll talk about what the israelis

01:51:25.800 did and then you can give me your rebuttal to it but basically the 93 oslo accords right between

01:51:30.040 yitzhak rabin and uh and our boy uh yasser arafat um let's see here so basically arafat agreed he gave

01:51:39.320 them a bunch of things he recognized israel uh has the right to exist with peace and security which

01:51:43.960 was huge they had never gotten that before he accepted resolution 242 which is the the partition

01:51:49.160 plan and then he renounced violence furthest they've ever gotten all yitzhak rabin gave him

01:51:53.800 in exchange was recognize the plo as uh the reps of the palestinian people with no state or right to 0.97

01:51:59.400 self-determination they give them autonomy which we know is bullshit because the palestinian authority 1.00

01:52:04.680 who basically ran things was nothing more than a shinbet shell basically shinbet idf etc would use the

01:52:11.560 pa to collect information and then they would act as almost like a uh security force on behalf of

01:52:16.760 the israeli government and obviously this created a lot of issues because this is precisely why

01:52:20.840 hamas was able to rise because they're like yo these guys don't really care about the palestinians 0.96

01:52:24.840 these guys are literally working for the israelis and how do i know this even in israeli tv i watch

01:52:29.560 israeli television as much you guys might not know this i've seen the show fowda and fowda the israelis

01:52:35.320 even admit and show in their own television that the palestinian authority collaborates with them so why

01:52:39.880 the hell are the palestinians going to respect them or take them seriously it created a huge 1.00

01:52:42.840 rift which just was great for benjamin nanyahu later on because he was able to use that division

01:52:47.400 to his advantage because people didn't trust the palestinian authority so the problem with the

01:52:52.440 oslo accords was it was always to be revisited later right and while this was happening it being

01:52:58.040 revisited later the west bank is still expanding they're still taking territory the illegal settlements

01:53:02.600 are expanding so uh the other problem also with the oslo accords was

01:53:06.280 it fragmented the palestinian territory where it was never contiguous so what they would have to do

01:53:13.400 is they'd have to use these roads have all these checkpoints or whatever so they're never able to

01:53:17.320 actually establish any type of commerce with jordan they didn't control their borders they didn't

01:53:21.320 control their airspace they didn't control their resources the israelis controlled everything and

01:53:25.240 the illegal settlements continued to expand and then on top of that the only thing the oslo accords let

01:53:30.200 them have was a limited police force meanwhile the israelis and the settlers all had m4s they all had 0.77

01:53:35.880 rifles um and then they could reserve the right to go ahead and go into any of these territories the

01:53:39.720 a b and c territories which the israelis i think controlled uh c which is like 60 percent of the

01:53:44.040 west bank so it was bullshit man so um yes erif obviously accepted it and a lot of people got mad

01:53:49.880 and then even though they got this lopsided deal guess what happens yitzhak rabin who had signed this

01:53:54.200 lopsided deal which gave all them the advantage they couldn't even agree to that they killed him

01:53:58.840 the israelis killed him so the only chance what do you mean the israelis killed him it was it was a

01:54:04.040 it was a soul murderer yes a member of the lakud party which is a big representation which is running

01:54:09.720 israel right now literally assassinated yitzhak rabin so the only the lakud party didn't do it

01:54:16.120 it was a low and extremist member wasn't it no he was a member of the lakud party he was a 100

01:54:20.280 member of the lakud party and then the year after your boy benjamin and yahoo goes ahead and becomes

01:54:24.040 prime minister and to this day yitzhak rabin's wife thinks benjamin netanyahu is behind the murder

01:54:28.600 and honestly i'm not too surprised because what happened after yitzhak rabin got killed now the

01:54:33.080 clean break memo comes out now uh now the institute for um for foreign affairs comes out you got all

01:54:38.520 these neocons that come out and write up this paper about securing the realm then you got the rise of

01:54:42.520 the pnac etc so with with with yitzhak rabin being killed the oslo accords died alongside him and then

01:54:48.520 netanyahu comes in and what did he do he's caught in the fucking village in the west bank talking 0.93

01:54:52.840 about how he sabotaged the oslo accords how there's never going to be a peace a two-state solution

01:54:56.760 how the palestinians are never going to have any type of sovereignty he said it today after

01:55:00.520 the uh brits and the australians recognized uh palestinian state he said they'll never get

01:55:04.200 to be a palestinian state obviously he did it in hebrew he did it in the israeli media but the point

01:55:08.040 is this yitzhak rabin came the closest to having any type of deal even though the palestinians didn't

01:55:12.040 get for it all they got was basically a snitch force with the palestinian authority and then on top of 1.00

01:55:16.280 that for him doing that he got assassinated by the lakud party and then benjamin netanyahu took over the

01:55:20.600 oslo accords were the closest and they killed him even for that so the israelis have no intention 0.80

01:55:25.240 whatsoever of having peace the one guy that came an inch closer to peace they fucking killed him 0.94

01:55:32.600 steven you've got a lot to respond to yeah i mean it's we're just in totally different reality so

01:55:37.080 the oslo accords were never supposed to be the the final settlement i think that people were inspired

01:55:41.720 after the peace meal deal that had been made with egypt in terms of giving back the sinai and then

01:55:45.320 peace by peace eventually israel had achieved like a formal peace with egypt um sadat was also

01:55:50.680 assassinated after that peace deal had been reached by the way um um um i also had nothing to do egypt

01:56:00.040 i didn't say that but i'm sadat was assassinated after uh he had agreed formally to peace with with

01:56:05.000 israel um some people theorize that the guy that killed him was because again like a lot of people

01:56:09.880 that are you know dug in on wanting to fight forever between arabs and jews don't like it when when

01:56:14.040 people make peace deals here's the difference the camp david accords did not die with sadat

01:56:20.840 the oslo accords died with yitzhak rabin the oslo accords didn't necessarily die the oslo ii came

01:56:25.640 after the issue is that they never reached the final state but also you have an issue too where

01:56:29.640 the fact is arafat never really wanted to stop fighting the guy was a general the foundation of

01:56:33.720 the plo and arafat's popularity in the palestinian and larger arab world was that of a resistance fighter

01:56:38.760 the whole name and party that he'd carved out for himself um as long as all of the

01:56:42.680 the as well as all of the kind of like terrorist mini parties that were a part of the palestinian

01:56:46.280 liberation organization um the palestinian liberation fraud the palestinian defense

01:56:50.280 force the pflp the video for all these other or the dflp like these things like they were they

01:56:53.800 were fighters they were uh you know they were involved in plane hijackings around the world they

01:56:57.480 killed a couple of um jewish athletes in munich um you know this is what they did the uh the massad had 0.56

01:57:03.960 their stuff against the arabs the palestinians had their stuff against israel like yeah these guys

01:57:08.280 were at each other's throats constantly um during like the 60s and 70s as you move forward you get to

01:57:12.840 oslo one um which was 93 also two is 95 i think um you get uh you have some agreements but these are

01:57:20.440 just like larger frameworks that is hopefully going towards palestinians having an independent state

01:57:26.120 now the most noteworthy thing was the creation of the palestinian authority which was an actual

01:57:29.480 official palestinian government now yes there is the propaganda line that you're giving that they're

01:57:33.160 they're just security subcontractors for israel that's the line that everybody who is incentivized

01:57:37.800 into having infinite conflict between both sides will take though arabs will look at the palestinian 0.95

01:57:41.320 authority and go oh they're a security subcontractor uh jews will look at the palestinian authority 0.94

01:57:45.240 and go oh the pa well they're part of the um you know basically ran by the plo they have the martyr

01:57:49.880 fund they pay uh shahids and everybody else to go and kill themselves but they have no sovereignty 1.00

01:57:53.640 jewish people anyways there there was no sovereignty yet they're on their way they have technically they 1.00

01:57:57.720 have some kind of sovereignty over area a area b is your connective areas that i think still have

01:58:02.040 israeli security involved in an area c are mainly your green line settlements on the west but um

01:58:07.640 it was it was supposed to be you know steps towards a peace process but the issue is arafat would never

01:58:13.240 ever ever ever agree to any peace ever because he would never list final terms or final settlements

01:58:18.120 or final agreements for what peace would look like now you can argue it was very simple what they wanted

01:58:22.040 terms of it was not very simple what they wanted they want a two-state solution and the right to

01:58:26.600 self-determination that's simple but the israelis would never let that happen what even what you just

01:58:30.760 say a two-state solution what do you do with israel there was never an agreement on what would happen

01:58:34.600 with no israel would exist the the the the i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry what would you do with

01:58:39.080 jerusalem and east jerusalem uh east jerusalem would be would be the capital for the palestinians

01:58:43.960 but the israelis would never agree to that that's what they wanted i'm telling you what they wanted

01:58:47.080 they wouldn't they might not have agreed to that because generally when east jerusalem is brought up in

01:58:50.040 talks arabs are not okay with jews visiting um the the western wall ever because uh arabs don't believe 1.00

01:58:56.120 that there was ever an old temple there so they would restrict access at every point in history

01:58:59.880 are you talking about the western wall or the mount i think i think it's the temple mount the

01:59:04.360 western i think you're i think you're talking about the mount where the lx mosque is the wall

01:59:09.240 the wailing wall they can go there of course that's where they go western wait that's where the western

01:59:12.520 wall is they're both there the but no arabs would not allow jews to go there because they don't believe 0.98

01:59:17.320 a temple they don't believe that's a western wall a last standing wall of some jewish temple they

01:59:20.600 refuse that any jewish temple there ever exists because even though people in the west are keen to argue

01:59:25.080 that uh well you know we're only going to run the clock on history since the ottomans were there that's not 0.95

01:59:29.480 true the arabs want to run the clock back indefinitely and they believe that it was always 0.73

01:59:32.840 arabs there there was no jewish temple there so they would never allow jews every time it's been 1.00

01:59:36.200 owned in history by arabs jews were not allowed to pray at the wailing wall that's only when israel 0.99

01:59:40.280 has been in control of it that um right now i think it's a jordanian uh whack or whatever that runs

01:59:45.160 it that allows jews you know to go to the wailing wall and yeah they go to alaska um yeah muslims 0.99

01:59:50.440 could pray but people could visit the the mount they could visit the mount they just can't pray

01:59:54.440 not not if the arabs not if the arabs controlled it so the the what would happen with east jerusalem

01:59:58.920 is is is not has never been settled that's never been put on paper number one number two the right

02:00:03.080 of return question has never been tackled by any arab leader um not by arafat uh not by mahmoud

02:00:09.240 abbas uh nobody has ever put a number on paper for how many people are allowed because the israelis

02:00:12.920 will never let it happen the israelis will never let it that here's the thing they want that because

02:00:16.680 there are five million refugees that that palestines argue should be allowed to return to israel

02:00:21.240 proper and they're never going to let that and i understand that i said that most refugees have 0.95

02:00:24.840 never even set foot in israel but a lot of the people that are considered refugees are people

02:00:28.040 that had full jordanian citizenship but they're still considered refugees even though they were

02:00:31.080 made full citizens of jordan and live in jordan and have lived in jordan here's the thing over

02:00:34.360 two generations here's the thing i i said before at the top that the right of return you'll acknowledge

02:00:39.640 that palestinians have never put a number on paper that it seems like in their world five million 0.52

02:00:44.920 arabs have to be allowed to emigrate into israel proper and and have full citizenship there that

02:00:49.880 would make jews a minority in israel that's always part of the thing the unspoken thing in the

02:00:53.720 background that no palestinian leader has ever given up well yeah that's literally why i say

02:00:59.560 israel is an apartheid ethno state a supremacy that's fine but so but realistically that's a

02:01:04.280 non-starter that's never happening that jews are losing their state to arabs yes because they have to 1.00

02:01:09.000 they have to maintain the 80 percent uh majority yes i understand that not necessarily 80 but they have

02:01:12.920 to maintain some kind of jewish ethnic majority otherwise they feel like they'll probably be

02:01:16.280 yeah they'll feel like every other arab state yeah they'll feel like they'll get overrun or whatever

02:01:20.760 but look the the point i'm trying to make is here with um with the oslo accords in general um is that

02:01:26.280 yes i understand what you're saying you're saying the oslo accords were a framework to work towards

02:01:29.240 something my argument is even when they had that framework what did the israelis do i'm talking about

02:01:34.440 the israelis now i'm not just talking about yitzhak or bean or whatever sides fucked around both sides 0.89

02:01:39.480 fucked around there was still violence on the the arab side and there were still expansions of settlements 0.93

02:01:44.280 on the israelis side both sides accused each other of sabotaging the deal and both sides kind

02:01:47.880 of sort of you know but here's here but here's the difference though see what at least you meant

02:01:52.440 you mentioned sadat got killed the camp david of course didn't get killed alongside him they still

02:01:55.720 maintain peace to this day hell they even warned the egyptians even warned the israelis about october 7th

02:02:00.440 here's the difference when yitzhak rabin got killed because yitzhak rabin got killed for giving the

02:02:05.640 palestinians the p the palestinian authority he got killed for that and then nanyahu came in and

02:02:10.280 then sabotaged everything that's my point true the oslo accords are still active the

02:02:13.880 palestinian authority still exist there so yes they are area a b and c are still there

02:02:17.480 the palestinian authority still exists they did the division of haran and they moved most of the jews

02:02:21.560 out of there they they live in the h1 section but here's the problem so there's the redeployment

02:02:24.680 there yeah like the the oslo accords are still in effect but the oslo accords were just temporary

02:02:28.520 they were never supposed to be a final arrangement but that's my point that so it was a framework

02:02:32.520 towards something better to eventually get to a two-state solution and they killed the problem is

02:02:36.760 no they said but that is the definition of being an obstacle matter arafat never agreed to any final

02:02:41.560 deal anyways arafat could have agreed with netanyahu to something arafat could have agreed

02:02:45.080 um with a hill barack for something but they didn't they never did arafat never made any final

02:02:49.080 agreement ever because he always wanted to see the fighting continued no no no that's not true

02:02:53.160 because he wanted again all they wanted self-determination to stay solution east jerusalem

02:02:58.920 as the capital that's what the palestinians have always wanted pretty much okay now an infinite right 0.95

02:03:03.400 of return of five million refugees i didn't even mention i didn't even i didn't even say right

02:03:07.400 of return but that's what they want that's the problem no no no no no no no no even the right

02:03:11.640 of return they've bro a lot of them have given that up it's pre-67 borders pre-67 borders pre-67

02:03:17.480 borders is what they don't matter they don't care about the land that's not the important thing 0.96

02:03:21.000 the important thing is what to do with the holy landmarks especially in east jerusalem and what to

02:03:24.360 do with the palestinian right of return and then what sovereignty they have my point my point

02:03:29.000 here is remember the debate is who is the bigger obstacle to peace i'm saying when ria

02:03:34.600 yitzhak rabin tried to create a peace deal with the oslo courts which would work towards a two-state

02:03:39.480 solution that's what it was there for that's why yitzhak rabin uh so that's why uh arafat even came to

02:03:43.800 the table right was eventually to get some right of self-determination for the palestinians what did

02:03:49.240 they do they killed yitzhak rabin they killed them the israelis killed him and then they put in 0.50

02:03:53.800 yeah then now yeah you know who comes in power contentious region yeah a lot of people like to fight

02:03:57.480 there yeah but that but that but that is precisely my point the israelis are the bigger obstacles

02:04:01.560 of peace because even when the palestinians came in good faith with the oslo courts what did they

02:04:04.760 do they killed the guy that negotiated it and then then yo comes in and he admits on video i am here

02:04:09.400 to sabotage oslo courts they're never going to get a state but yeah the oslo courts but despite that

02:04:14.360 they still continued and they had another shot at peace five years later with um with yahud barack

02:04:19.080 but here's the problem and they didn't take that either the yahud barack we could talk about

02:04:22.440 that the 2000 camps that was bullshit too that was complete but that was even worse 0.76

02:04:26.280 let's move on to the clinton parameters in 2000 sure we can we can go into that but again yeah

02:04:31.160 i just want to be clear about this the debate here for me is about who is a bigger obstacle to peace

02:04:36.680 i agree that yitzhak rabin came in some degree with good faith even though he made almost no concessions

02:04:42.200 and then yeah yasser arafat came in and made a lot of concessions that's how i know he came in good

02:04:46.120 in good faith because he literally who came in and made a lot of concessions yasser arafat made way more

02:04:50.440 concessions he didn't make any consent what are you talking about they had no state they had nothing to concede

02:04:54.760 okay no he can see bro he literally conceded that israel has a right to exist okay and peace

02:05:00.360 and security that's huge these are words on paper and then he goes to universities he's making

02:05:04.280 speeches about strategically lying or whatever um when it comes to making deals with the with the

02:05:09.960 infidel or whatever like yeah he said things but the problem is like in the second intifada he never

02:05:13.640 denounced violence and violence continued and that was no huge things that that moved but okay but

02:05:17.640 that was after the oslo courts were sabotaged by netanyahu so the oslo courts were still in place

02:05:22.440 the palestinian authority still exists today area a b and c still exists today no they're not

02:05:25.880 sabotaged they're not gone they're still in place no he did sabotage them because what did he tell

02:05:29.240 what did he say oh i'm gonna destroy the oslo accords i'm not gonna make it work then palestinian 0.98

02:05:33.080 authority has no power because again it was a framework say that of course he said that he came

02:05:37.560 in right after the last guy who supported the oslo accords got assassinated of course he came in

02:05:40.920 saying he hated the oslo accords but there's still political realities you have to contend with in

02:05:44.760 israel he got him killed at that point on both sides he got him killed you have no proof of that

02:05:48.440 there's no evidence of that yisak rabin's wife to this day wrote a book i don't care what his wife

02:05:52.280 said who cares what is that does she have some intelligence or some reason yeah like she's his 1.00

02:05:55.640 wife no he wrote a book and she literally said who killed my husband and the guy that killed him

02:06:00.680 was a lakud party guy who's out of the lakud party right now netanyahu sounds pretty fucking clear to me

02:06:04.920 who killed that being in a political party means that you were ordered by the party to kill somebody

02:06:08.680 the head of the part yes for sure yeah for sure now again with that said again yasser arafat conceded

02:06:16.040 israelis have a right to uh peace and security live to live in peace and security you recognize

02:06:20.040 israeli state which was huge no arab country had really done that yet besides the other ones

02:06:24.520 it did it didn't matter it did matter it did matter it didn't matter by that point jordan

02:06:28.440 and egypt had already formally signed peace treaties because they're getting paid at that

02:06:31.080 point we're done they're getting paid that's why because they're done fighting and they don't

02:06:33.720 want to fight with israel anymore they recognize they're going to be there there's nothing else they 0.96

02:06:35.880 can do about it they they they got they were getting paid they're getting they're literally bought

02:06:39.320 off by the americans that's why they did that now but for your free ass arafat he comes in hey we're 0.92

02:06:43.800 going to recognize you guys we're going to give you guys peace and we're going to denounce violence

02:06:46.760 that was huge for a palestinian but he didn't do that violence no he did but here's the thing

02:06:51.160 he literally did it he actually did it through the whole second intifada everybody's looking to

02:06:54.680 arafat to call down the violence and he didn't he refused to do so the second intifada started

02:06:58.680 because the israelis didn't fucking honor the ozlo accords at all so because here's the thing 0.89

02:07:03.400 you're you're going to the bot you're going to the end here saying intifada intifada but how did we get

02:07:07.400 there okay 1993 they signed the ozlo accords they're right there in the white house and everything else

02:07:11.560 like that yasser arafat makes big concessions hey israel we're going to recognize the state

02:07:15.640 i denounce violence and you guys have the right to exist with peace and security huge all yitz

02:07:19.880 agrabin did was say okay well we'll recognize the palestinian authority uh over the palestinian

02:07:24.200 people but no sovereignty no two-state solution no nothing okay some limited autonomy so i would

02:07:29.560 argue that the palestinians came in way better faith because they conceded more hold on hold on

02:07:34.040 let me finish zero autonomy up to that point that was the that was the big concession that was a huge deal

02:07:38.120 let me let me finish my point so they go ahead and they may and they um and they make this agreement

02:07:42.200 right then yitz agrabin gets killed like a year later so his successor comes in takes everything

02:07:48.360 away sabotage the oslo accords palestinian authorities the shell of itself it's basically

02:07:52.520 being used as a collaborator force for the shin bet etc so look he came in wanting to work with yitz

02:07:58.040 agrabin and then the that same government kills him what are you going to do if you're yasser arafat

02:08:02.280 the guy that you did a deal with literally gets killed by the other party are you going to do

02:08:06.680 diplomacy no of course there's going to be an antifada because they didn't negotiate in good

02:08:09.800 faith they killed them they killed them dude what it's not like we just ended up at an antifada

02:08:14.040 for no reason there was a reason why there was an antifada they killed the negotiator which israel

02:08:18.040 always does they always kill the negotiators they kill ishma haneya they try to bomb the they 0.90

02:08:21.960 bomb the uh qatar right they've killed so many negotiators they they always do this 1.00

02:08:27.240 haneya is our negotiator the head of the of hamas he was the head negotiator and the political

02:08:31.640 wing when they killed the head of the other power bureau which is the head of hamas yeah no he was not

02:08:35.480 killed because he was negotiator he was a negotiator negotiate anything bro are you serious

02:08:40.360 you're gonna say ishma haneya was not the head negotiator yes he was the head of the political

02:08:43.640 party he was the head of hamas he was the head of the political party and he was the head negotiator

02:08:46.760 when they killed him yeah he because he was the head of the government that they were fighting with

02:08:50.600 yes he was the head of the political wing and the head negotiator and they assassinated him the

02:08:54.920 leader of the group that was they were fighting with yes so israel does this all the time they kill 0.99

02:08:59.640 they assassinate people that they're negotiating with or they start wars when they're negotiating like

02:09:02.920 like they did with Iran. 0.52

02:09:03.640 There was no negotiating.

02:09:04.500 What do you mean?

02:09:04.760 Ismail Hanayah was not going to negotiate 0.96

02:09:06.180 a peace with Israel.

02:09:07.480 What do you mean?

02:09:08.440 Bro, they had already done hostage exchanges

02:09:11.780 at this point with Ismail Hanayah.

02:09:13.780 He had...

02:09:14.120 Should we get back to that soon?

02:09:16.880 Should we just go back to the Oslo Accords first?

02:09:19.240 Oslo Accords, I think we're done.

02:09:20.300 We're going to move on to the Camp David, right?

02:09:22.020 The 2000...

02:09:23.740 Because he's not going to go into the Oslo Accords.

02:09:25.280 My argument is...

02:09:26.460 And that's fine.

02:09:27.000 I'll just ask you a quick question before we...

02:09:28.960 Sure, I mean, Oslo 2 happened under Netanyahu, right?

02:09:31.200 So for sabotaging...

02:09:32.560 And the redeployment of Hebron also happened

02:09:34.260 under Netanyahu as well, I'm pretty sure.

02:09:36.180 It's kind of weird that he, quote-unquote,

02:09:37.340 wanted to sabotage and destroy the Oslo Accords.

02:09:38.900 He admitted it on camera.

02:09:41.020 Yes, he doesn't like it.

02:09:41.820 Yes, yes.

02:09:42.580 I don't know why you guys listen to him.

02:09:43.880 You believe it when they say that,

02:09:44.980 and you say that that's the whole thing,

02:09:45.880 but you will ignore Arab leaders

02:09:46.980 when Nasser, before the Six-Day War,

02:09:49.060 literally said that it would be a war of utter destruction

02:09:50.960 for every single Jew in Israel.

02:09:52.480 I don't know why you believe some people.

02:09:53.360 Like, yeah, politicians talk and they talk shit.

02:09:55.560 Like, it happens.

02:09:56.600 Yeah.

02:09:57.220 Netanyahu absolutely wants to see every single...

02:09:59.340 If Netanyahu could push a button

02:10:00.320 and expel every single Palestinian 1.00

02:10:01.480 from the West Bank of the Gaza Strip,

02:10:02.420 he would do it, 100%.

02:10:03.280 That proves my point.

02:10:03.920 No shit, obviously.

02:10:04.400 Yeah, that proves my point.

02:10:04.880 No, no, that's not your point.

02:10:06.480 Your point is if you think that in Israel...

02:10:07.520 There are bigger obstacles.

02:10:08.460 ...is magical.

02:10:09.500 Yeah, there are obstacles.

02:10:10.260 You've got foreign obstacles. 1.00

02:10:10.740 There are bigger obstacles.

02:10:11.240 Now there are no foreign obstacles 1.00

02:10:12.200 because Donald Trump is a massive Israeli dick-suck. 0.93

02:10:14.300 And then you've got domestic obstacles.

02:10:15.380 Sure, you can make that argument.

02:10:16.080 Right now, it doesn't seem like

02:10:16.440 there's many domestic obstacles

02:10:17.540 because Netanyahu's gotten lucky 0.93

02:10:18.680 a lot with military shit recently.

02:10:20.040 But the idea that just because

02:10:20.900 an Israeli leader says they would do something

02:10:22.220 means it's inevitable is not true.

02:10:23.840 Netanyahu did not want to see

02:10:24.660 an expansion of the Oslo Accords,

02:10:25.780 but political forces,

02:10:26.860 Israel still kind of thought

02:10:27.920 that peace was a chance

02:10:28.600 and Palestinians still kind of

02:10:29.620 sort of thought that peace was a chance

02:10:30.500 and that's why Oslo took him about.

02:10:31.620 That's why the redeployment in Haran happened

02:10:32.740 where most of the city was turned over

02:10:33.880 to Arabs, which it is to this day.

02:10:36.060 It's still like 80-20 split,

02:10:37.420 Arabs and Jews.

02:10:38.760 So no, I mean, this idea that

02:10:39.960 just because Netanyahu wanted something,

02:10:41.180 he could speak it into existence is not true.

02:10:42.540 He lost his elections afterwards

02:10:43.620 when Ehud Barak came in

02:10:45.060 and he tried to do peace as well.

02:10:46.460 And it was the failure

02:10:47.280 of Ehud Barak doing peace

02:10:48.640 and then it was the subsequent failure

02:10:50.860 of Arafat

02:10:51.540 to agree to any actual terms

02:10:53.220 after the failures of Camp David,

02:10:55.080 after the unwillingness

02:10:56.180 to accept the Clinton parameters,

02:10:57.120 after the Taba summit's disastrous thing

02:10:59.140 because Arafat always wanted

02:11:00.000 to wait till the next day

02:11:01.020 and wait till the next prime minister

02:11:02.000 and wait for the next assassination,

02:11:03.020 wait for whatever.

02:11:03.640 And then when the second defada happens

02:11:04.760 and he's chilling in fucking, 0.98

02:11:06.440 what is he,

02:11:07.000 in his mansion in fucking Ramallah

02:11:08.380 just watching the violence erupt,

02:11:09.720 they do nothing to push for peace ever.

02:11:11.420 And then eventually he fucking dies of AIDS

02:11:12.780 or whatever the fuck happened to him.

02:11:14.160 And then here we are today.

02:11:15.500 And then after the second defada,

02:11:16.440 Israel's like, well, fuck this. 1.00

02:11:17.280 We're never doing peace, I guess,

02:11:18.200 because you've got fucking videos 0.99

02:11:19.500 of Arabs in Ramallah

02:11:21.460 tearing a fucking Israeli dude's head off 0.99

02:11:23.220 and holding it out of a fucking window. 0.96

02:11:25.060 Like, yeah, no shit.

02:11:25.720 That shit is fucked at that point.

02:11:27.220 I'm just saying that if you want,

02:11:28.260 you can find an infinite number of excuses

02:11:29.600 on both sides for who sabotaged peace.

02:11:31.440 But the reality is,

02:11:32.300 when push came to shove,

02:11:34.720 there was good faith,

02:11:35.840 Israeli negotiation and delegation

02:11:37.480 at Camp David

02:11:38.220 and at the Taba summit.

02:11:39.480 And it was Arafat

02:11:40.400 who literally drew the ire

02:11:41.700 of the rest of the Arab world.

02:11:43.800 Bandar, the ambassador

02:11:46.760 from fucking Saudi Arabia, 0.99

02:11:47.680 there's a whole fucking two hours 0.89

02:11:48.700 on this.

02:11:49.080 Everybody in the Arab world

02:11:49.760 looked at Arafat like it was fucking crazy

02:11:51.360 that this guy wouldn't accept

02:11:52.480 what would have basically been

02:11:53.220 a normalization of the 67 borders

02:11:54.600 and some final negotiation

02:11:55.720 on the Palestinian refugee issue

02:11:57.900 and on what would happen

02:11:58.640 with East Jerusalem.

02:11:59.200 And Arafat flew around

02:11:59.940 in a fucking plane for two weeks 0.66

02:12:01.280 ignoring everything

02:12:02.280 until Ahud Barak was basically

02:12:03.560 lost his next election.

02:12:04.740 And he was like,

02:12:05.000 oh, well, let's see what the next guy wants.

02:12:06.280 And that's been the story

02:12:06.960 of the Palestinians ever since.

02:12:08.000 We'll talk about,

02:12:08.800 we'll talk about,

02:12:09.700 no, that's fine.

02:12:11.220 We'll talk about Ahud Barak right now

02:12:12.560 because a lot of that was not true.

02:12:13.880 And then going back

02:12:14.560 to what you said about,

02:12:15.560 here's the difference

02:12:16.040 with Netanyahu, right?

02:12:17.080 When you said that

02:12:17.840 Nasser said that

02:12:20.920 we're going to destroy them

02:12:21.660 or blah, blah, blah.

02:12:22.520 Here's the big difference.

02:12:23.960 When these Arabs said 1.00

02:12:24.880 the things that they said,

02:12:25.640 they said it in public

02:12:26.360 in front of everybody.

02:12:27.620 What I'm talking about

02:12:28.460 with Ben-Gurion saying

02:12:29.400 that he's never going to agree,

02:12:30.500 he's going to always expand

02:12:31.600 and create a state of Israel

02:12:32.560 and go ahead and take

02:12:33.600 all the Arab land,

02:12:34.580 he did that in private.

02:12:35.700 And when Benjamin Netanyahu,

02:12:36.600 when he said what he said

02:12:37.280 and the West Bank saying

02:12:38.340 that I sabotage the Oslo Accords

02:12:39.600 and they'll never have

02:12:40.140 a two-state solution,

02:12:40.720 he said that in private too.

02:12:41.500 Ben-Gurion was saying

02:12:41.720 that wasn't just private,

02:12:42.760 that was to shore up his political.

02:12:44.020 Let me finish what I'm saying.

02:12:45.520 The difference is this.

02:12:46.680 He said this to his son,

02:12:47.700 not expecting those letters

02:12:48.520 to become public.

02:12:49.240 And then Netanyahu said

02:12:49.980 that stuff to those people

02:12:50.680 in the West Bank

02:12:51.140 not expecting that to be public.

02:12:52.300 So what they say in private

02:12:53.260 is what they really want.

02:12:54.620 The politicians,

02:12:55.540 you're talking about Nasser saying,

02:12:56.540 oh, they're going to destroy them,

02:12:57.300 they're going to destroy them.

02:12:58.020 That's fine.

02:12:58.440 That's political botchering.

02:12:59.220 He's saying in front of everybody

02:13:00.020 that it is what it is.

02:13:01.420 But what these guys said in private

02:13:02.760 was their real intention.

02:13:03.920 So I believe them

02:13:04.660 because that's what they said in private

02:13:05.700 and not expecting to be recorded.

02:13:07.160 So that's different.

02:13:07.940 Then also with the Six-Day War,

02:13:08.960 remember,

02:13:09.540 the Israelis started that one.

02:13:10.240 Why would they do Oslo one at all then?

02:13:11.180 Israelis started that war.

02:13:12.160 Why did they do Oslo one at all then?

02:13:15.380 Because he didn't think

02:13:16.180 that Yitzhak Rabin

02:13:16.900 would be assassinated

02:13:17.520 by a Likud party member?

02:13:19.000 He couldn't perceive that?

02:13:20.000 No, why did Israel do? 0.91

02:13:22.120 Why did Israel agree?

02:13:23.180 If Israel always wanted to expand 0.96

02:13:24.340 and always wanted to take all the territory,

02:13:25.360 why would they even do Oslo one?

02:13:26.380 Well, I'm referring to Benjamin Netanyahu

02:13:27.800 and Ben-Gurion in particular.

02:13:30.140 So then the other half of Israel 0.63

02:13:31.700 doesn't want to do it?

02:13:32.380 So it's just some Israeli leadership

02:13:33.380 that wants to expand

02:13:34.040 and not the other part

02:13:34.900 of Israeli leadership?

02:13:35.620 Well, I know for a fact,

02:13:36.620 Ben-Gurion and Netanyahu,

02:13:39.940 we know what they said

02:13:40.820 to their private counterparts

02:13:41.740 what their intentions were.

02:13:42.760 Wait, so you believe that Rabin and Barack,

02:13:44.000 they legitimately did want peace

02:13:45.320 with Palestinians?

02:13:46.780 Then why didn't the peace happen?

02:13:48.040 If Arafat was there negotiating

02:13:49.000 the other hand the whole time?

02:13:49.760 Here's the thing.

02:13:50.360 I don't have access

02:13:51.080 to their private stuff,

02:13:51.740 so I don't know.

02:13:52.320 But what I will say

02:13:52.940 with Yitzhak Rabin

02:13:53.620 is he came the closest

02:13:55.040 to actually doing something

02:13:56.160 even though he didn't concede

02:13:57.080 barely anything,

02:13:58.440 and they killed him

02:13:59.080 for even conceding a little bit.

02:14:00.740 But there was no deal

02:14:01.720 to concede to.

02:14:03.060 Arafat didn't lay out

02:14:03.940 anything ever in particular

02:14:05.060 that he wanted

02:14:05.720 for any final agreement.

02:14:06.720 He was always happy

02:14:07.660 to kick the can down the road.

02:14:08.600 The plan was always

02:14:09.620 a two-state solution

02:14:10.480 and rights of self-determination.

02:14:11.640 That was always the plan

02:14:12.220 they were working towards it.

02:14:13.080 No, that's not always the plan.

02:14:13.320 That was the plan.

02:14:13.840 That's not true.

02:14:14.520 Even the majority of people,

02:14:15.640 I don't know today,

02:14:16.580 but historically,

02:14:17.480 don't even agree

02:14:18.280 on wanting a two-state solution.

02:14:19.640 That's like a Western concept

02:14:20.800 of a plan.

02:14:21.600 Well, that's why Clinton

02:14:23.460 was facilitating it.

02:14:24.440 Yes, you're right.

02:14:24.900 It is a Western plan.

02:14:25.800 That's why Clinton

02:14:26.320 was in the middle

02:14:26.820 of brokering the Oslo Accords.

02:14:28.420 It was Clinton's idea

02:14:29.300 to bring them together

02:14:30.040 and do this.

02:14:30.680 Now, with that said,

02:14:31.600 whether it's a two-state solution

02:14:32.680 or a one-state solution,

02:14:34.080 the point is this.

02:14:35.640 What Arafat wanted

02:14:39.620 and rights of self-determination.

02:14:41.160 That's the bottom line.

02:14:42.480 And I would argue

02:14:43.140 that the Oslo Accords...

02:14:43.880 And an infinite right of return

02:14:44.360 to Israel proper.

02:14:45.840 Infinite right of return

02:14:46.460 for all millions of refugees.

02:14:47.960 That never got put on paper,

02:14:49.320 so we don't know.

02:14:50.540 We don't know.

02:14:51.320 But I know...

02:14:51.600 That's my argument.

02:14:52.200 Nothing got put on paper

02:14:53.120 with Arafat.

02:14:53.660 Nothing was put on paper.

02:14:54.480 Because the Israelis 0.98

02:14:56.360 would not agree to that, dude.

02:14:58.080 So he didn't put it on paper

02:14:59.300 to show them rejecting it?

02:15:00.660 Why would you not do that?

02:15:02.220 Because, again,

02:15:03.140 the Israelis had all the levers. 0.94

02:15:04.260 They had all the power.

02:15:05.180 Klan brought them together

02:15:06.040 so they can go ahead

02:15:07.000 and make some kind of peace.

02:15:07.580 No, you put something on paper

02:15:08.660 so that you can go to

02:15:09.160 the international community

02:15:09.880 and go, hey,

02:15:10.420 this is what we would accept

02:15:11.480 and Israel turned it down.

02:15:12.500 The Israelis never accept 1.00

02:15:14.500 anything in the international community.

02:15:15.680 They break international law

02:15:16.540 every single day, bro.

02:15:17.580 They literally break

02:15:18.200 international law every single day.

02:15:19.260 They accepted resolution 181.

02:15:20.820 They accepted the petition.

02:15:21.620 You're going to say it's unfair.

02:15:22.580 That's fine.

02:15:23.400 But Israel accepted... 0.91

02:15:24.500 Israel will accept things.

02:15:25.400 You're just saying

02:15:25.740 that they do it in bad faith,

02:15:26.700 but we can't ever prove that

02:15:27.460 because Arabs are always 1.00

02:15:28.280 constantly ready

02:15:28.820 to make war with them regardless.

02:15:30.120 I mean, I proved the bad faith

02:15:31.680 with Ben Gurion's letters

02:15:32.380 and Netanyahu

02:15:32.920 getting this guy killed.

02:15:34.080 That's not proving it.

02:15:34.480 That's trying to establish

02:15:35.200 a counterfactual

02:15:35.960 that there's no possible way.

02:15:36.820 Show me the Arab letters.

02:15:37.800 By the way, you can't

02:15:38.520 because none of their archives

02:15:39.340 are even available

02:15:39.860 for us to go through.

02:15:40.820 I can't go through Cairo's archives

02:15:42.280 to see what that leadership

02:15:43.540 was talking about.

02:15:43.940 I can't go through

02:15:44.520 Syrian Damascus fucking archives

02:15:47.080 or fucking archives 0.95

02:15:48.760 in Beirut or archives

02:15:50.660 in Abbott.

02:15:52.380 What the fuck is the name

02:15:52.940 of the Jordanian capital?

02:15:54.040 That's fine.

02:15:54.580 We're in the impasse.

02:15:55.300 I can't even visit.

02:15:55.880 No, no, no.

02:15:56.200 Wait, hold on.

02:15:56.520 But I'm just saying that

02:15:57.020 you're going through

02:15:57.720 and you're cherry picking

02:15:58.340 single lines,

02:15:59.480 single statements or whatever

02:16:00.580 out of Ben Gurion

02:16:01.760 trying to prove

02:16:02.260 that the whole Jewish project

02:16:03.400 was going to be

02:16:04.220 a massive back step.

02:16:04.940 Even though Ben Gurion

02:16:05.600 didn't even know

02:16:06.120 he would have been

02:16:06.540 the first prime minister,

02:16:07.640 even though Ben Gurion

02:16:08.160 would have no idea

02:16:08.760 how politically successful

02:16:09.520 he'd be in the future

02:16:10.180 and even though by your own words

02:16:11.240 somebody like Rabin could exist

02:16:12.380 who would genuinely

02:16:13.100 want peace with the Arabs

02:16:13.900 so that disproves it right there

02:16:15.320 that Israel would have always been 1.00

02:16:16.300 on some expansionist pathway.

02:16:17.520 Meanwhile, on the Arab side,

02:16:18.540 there is no deal on the table

02:16:20.500 that Israel has walked away from.

02:16:22.080 There are deals

02:16:22.740 that Arafat walked away from.

02:16:24.360 Okay, so again,

02:16:25.520 we're talking about

02:16:26.360 a huge time span.

02:16:27.120 You're going from Ben Gurion,

02:16:28.240 the first prime minister

02:16:28.960 because you brought up

02:16:29.860 Ben Gurion quote.

02:16:30.600 No, no, no.

02:16:30.960 Because again,

02:16:32.620 because I'm saying

02:16:33.320 that there were prime ministers

02:16:34.780 that were in power

02:16:35.760 that obviously had no intention

02:16:37.660 of ever giving

02:16:39.020 the Palestinians anything 0.90

02:16:39.820 and we have proof of this

02:16:40.840 with Netanyahu

02:16:41.700 and with Ben Gurion.

02:16:42.760 I don't have proof

02:16:43.460 for Yitzhak Rabin

02:16:44.200 not wanting to do

02:16:45.120 any type of peace

02:16:45.620 so I got to go off

02:16:46.400 of what he did.

02:16:46.860 But the Jews accepted 181. 0.56

02:16:48.280 That's what they did.

02:16:49.080 They accepted 181, right? 0.88

02:16:50.540 They did accept it, right?

02:16:51.680 You're saying they would have

02:16:52.200 back stepped into the future

02:16:52.680 but they did accept it, right?

02:16:54.240 You're talking about

02:16:54.680 the Oslo Accords?

02:16:55.680 No, no.

02:16:56.120 In 47 and 48,

02:16:57.000 they accepted resolution 181.

02:16:58.620 They would have accepted

02:16:59.080 that partition plan.

02:17:00.120 That partition plan

02:17:01.180 I told you before.

02:17:02.140 Well, again,

02:17:03.060 Ben Gurion was in power

02:17:04.140 during that time.

02:17:05.840 And he would have accepted

02:17:06.440 the Jews accepted

02:17:07.380 that partition plan.

02:17:08.400 It was the Arabs 0.99

02:17:08.860 that refused it.

02:17:09.520 You could say it was unfair

02:17:10.240 or whatever.

02:17:10.460 It was unfair.

02:17:11.080 It was unfair.

02:17:11.960 Why would they accept it?

02:17:12.820 But the Jews accepted it 1.00

02:17:13.780 and the Arabs didn't.

02:17:14.680 And the Arabs didn't put 1.00

02:17:15.220 a counterproposal.

02:17:16.000 The Arabs didn't counter 1.00

02:17:16.620 with anything

02:17:17.020 because despite what you guys

02:17:18.260 want to say in the West now,

02:17:19.400 there was zero place

02:17:20.580 for any kind of Jewish state

02:17:21.640 in that land.

02:17:22.460 It's not like they said,

02:17:23.020 hold on,

02:17:23.760 well, 55%.

02:17:24.700 I know they're going to say

02:17:25.300 it's 100%.

02:17:25.660 55% is unfair.

02:17:26.500 We want it to be 22%.

02:17:27.580 No, there was 0%

02:17:28.440 would have been acceptable.

02:17:29.140 That's why there was

02:17:29.480 no counterproposal ever.

02:17:30.600 And that's why on the heels

02:17:31.340 of 181,

02:17:32.180 when that proposal was issued

02:17:33.960 and the Jews accepted it,

02:17:34.780 the Palestinians went to war immediately.

02:17:36.320 They were like,

02:17:36.580 fuck this, civil war.

02:17:37.280 We're kicking them all out.

02:17:38.160 If they would have won that war, 0.60

02:17:38.980 they wouldn't have left them

02:17:39.620 with Jaffa

02:17:40.540 or they wouldn't have left them

02:17:41.340 with 10% or 1% or whatever.

02:17:44.420 They would have expelled all of them.

02:17:46.440 Well, the thing is, again,

02:17:47.740 is that at the end of the day,

02:17:49.780 they came in,

02:17:50.220 they were killing them,

02:17:50.780 they were stealing their land,

02:17:51.580 they were doing a whole bunch of bullshit

02:17:52.560 and then they said,

02:17:53.160 oh yeah,

02:17:53.440 let's go ahead and negotiate.

02:17:54.620 What if somebody came to your house

02:17:56.120 and took 50% and said,

02:17:57.120 yeah, let's negotiate?

02:17:57.780 You'd be like,

02:17:58.100 no, get the fuck out. 0.65

02:17:59.140 And you'd want them to get them

02:18:00.360 from the fuck out of there. 0.98

02:18:00.860 What if they wanted 50%

02:18:01.340 after the bank reposed my house

02:18:02.500 because I failed to pay my mortgage?

02:18:03.880 Well, at that point,

02:18:04.240 it's not really my house anymore.

02:18:05.420 The Arabs that lived in the Levant

02:18:07.240 didn't own that.

02:18:08.220 It was the Ottoman Empire territory.

02:18:09.520 The Ottoman Empire had collapsed

02:18:10.520 after World War I.

02:18:11.240 It wasn't all their territory.

02:18:12.100 They didn't buy it.

02:18:12.920 They never paid for it.

02:18:13.840 They didn't have any deeds

02:18:14.700 showing ownership of it.

02:18:15.180 Well, it wasn't the Israelis either. 0.96

02:18:16.200 It was AFK landowners.

02:18:16.840 It didn't belong to the Israelis either.

02:18:19.320 No, they only own 6%.

02:18:21.140 They only own 6%.

02:18:22.100 Yeah, and the Arabs 1.00

02:18:22.780 only had deeds to show

02:18:23.580 for like 10 or 11%.

02:18:24.780 Well, they still own more

02:18:26.380 even if we're going to go off

02:18:27.680 that number.

02:18:28.120 That's fine, but they didn't own

02:18:28.680 the 100% or whatever

02:18:29.760 that you seem to think

02:18:30.780 that they did.

02:18:31.140 Well, they were their first.

02:18:32.000 They were their first, Destiny.

02:18:33.520 These colonial guys 0.99

02:18:34.500 came from Eastern Europe.

02:18:36.340 It's that simple.

02:18:37.660 It was their house.

02:18:38.220 They were their...

02:18:38.980 It was their house.

02:18:40.260 They lost the war.

02:18:41.920 They lost.

02:18:42.940 If they would have invaded...

02:18:44.040 The territories of the prior caliphates

02:18:46.520 expanded and receded

02:18:47.420 depending upon, you know,

02:18:48.340 how their conquest was going.

02:18:49.300 That's how it worked.

02:18:50.120 And they lost the war.

02:18:51.000 They lost that country.

02:18:52.280 Their rights to the land

02:18:53.420 belonged to the British.

02:18:54.140 It was the British mandate 0.94

02:18:54.920 for Palestine.

02:18:55.900 And it was up to the British 0.99

02:18:56.620 to decide what they wanted

02:18:57.280 to do with it.

02:18:57.960 They made promises to the Jews. 1.00

02:18:59.120 The Arabs lived there too.

02:19:00.180 Remember, the debate is

02:19:02.180 it's not about who won the war,

02:19:03.620 who lost the war.

02:19:04.060 I'm not disputing the fact

02:19:04.800 that they lost the war.

02:19:05.480 I'm saying that the Israelis

02:19:06.500 are a bigger obstacle to peace

02:19:08.000 because they gave a bullshit plan, 0.72

02:19:10.100 right, expecting that the Palestinians 1.00

02:19:11.920 would take it

02:19:12.380 when they were just a minority

02:19:13.160 and only owned 6% of the land.

02:19:14.960 Why the hell would you agree

02:19:15.980 to something like that?

02:19:17.140 You don't have to agree,

02:19:18.180 but that means you're not the,

02:19:19.660 that you're still

02:19:20.220 the obstacle to peace then.

02:19:21.060 Put a counterproposal.

02:19:22.080 This is the thing

02:19:22.600 that hurts the Arabs the most,

02:19:23.740 the Palestinians the most,

02:19:24.440 is there's not a single time

02:19:25.620 in all of history,

02:19:26.480 I can at least point

02:19:27.320 to bullshit Jewish plans 0.98

02:19:28.440 and say, oh, well, look,

02:19:29.120 the Jews would have 1.00

02:19:29.480 at least accepted that

02:19:30.020 even though it's bullshit.

02:19:30.780 The Arab, the Palestinians 1.00

02:19:31.720 cannot point to a single plan

02:19:33.180 where they go, look,

02:19:34.000 we were going to accept that.

02:19:35.060 Look, we were going to do that.

02:19:35.320 I told you Oslo was the closest.

02:19:37.800 Oslo was the closest,

02:19:38.740 even though it was bullshit.

02:19:39.360 Oslo was not a peace plan.

02:19:39.880 It was a framework

02:19:40.560 to move you,

02:19:41.140 to move them in that direction.

02:19:42.520 Yes.

02:19:42.680 But there are no peace plans

02:19:43.560 that the Jews walked away from 0.97

02:19:45.140 that were left on the table

02:19:45.860 by the Palestinians

02:19:46.420 because the Palestinians

02:19:46.980 were always under the delusion

02:19:47.920 that they could expel

02:19:48.740 every single Jew

02:19:49.480 and they could never do it.

02:19:50.260 And by the time they lost

02:19:51.160 like their 12th war,

02:19:52.360 they were like, okay,

02:19:53.000 well, can we go back

02:19:53.600 to like the agreement

02:19:54.100 we had on our fifth war

02:19:55.120 and then go back to that?

02:19:56.240 But by then you're fucked.

02:19:57.180 Dude, the Israelis 1.00

02:19:58.180 are such an obstacle to peace

02:20:00.160 that the Oslo Accords,

02:20:01.160 which was the closest thing

02:20:02.080 of framework, again,

02:20:02.980 I agree with you.

02:20:03.940 It was a framework

02:20:04.520 towards some type of peace.

02:20:06.440 The Israelis are such an obstacle 1.00

02:20:07.420 they killed one of their own

02:20:08.500 to stop the fucking peace deal.

02:20:10.400 You say they killed

02:20:11.200 one of their own.

02:20:12.020 Hafez in Syria

02:20:12.860 was worried about being

02:20:13.620 assassinated by one of his own.

02:20:14.780 That's why they didn't even

02:20:15.460 make peace with Israel forever 0.51

02:20:16.460 because they were worried

02:20:17.000 about killing by their own.

02:20:17.640 Sadat had already been killed

02:20:18.560 by their own.

02:20:19.100 The king of Jordan

02:20:19.740 had been killed

02:20:20.280 by a Palestinian in Jerusalem.

02:20:22.040 We're not talking about

02:20:22.720 these countries.

02:20:23.900 We're talking about Israel.

02:20:25.160 Arafat was worried about

02:20:26.000 being killed by one of his own as well.

02:20:27.440 All of these people

02:20:28.000 were worried about

02:20:28.480 being killed by one of their own.

02:20:29.480 It's a fucking hectic region.

02:20:30.500 If you start making peace

02:20:31.020 with your enemies,

02:20:31.680 everybody's worried

02:20:32.040 about getting killed.

02:20:32.700 Sure, but here's the difference.

02:20:33.800 Israel claims to be a democracy,

02:20:38.500 who died because they made

02:20:40.260 that sacrifice for peace

02:20:41.140 and who Barak knew

02:20:42.180 that he faked the same risk

02:20:43.340 and he was worried

02:20:43.940 about getting assassinated too.

02:20:45.060 And that's why he gave

02:20:45.900 a bullshit deal. 0.60

02:20:47.760 And that's why he gave

02:20:48.540 a bullshit deal. 0.60

02:20:49.080 And we'll talk about

02:20:49.540 Rocknex.

02:20:51.160 But then when I ask you,

02:20:51.860 what was the good deal

02:20:52.560 that Arafat left on the table?

02:20:53.460 You have nothing.

02:20:53.940 There's nothing you can point to.

02:20:54.620 There's nothing at all.

02:20:55.100 I just told you.

02:20:56.080 I told you.

02:20:57.080 Okay, again,

02:20:58.640 let's go through this.

02:20:59.820 Oslo Accords.

02:21:00.680 What was the deal

02:21:01.140 that Arafat left on the table?

02:21:02.760 He recognized the Israelis?

02:21:04.460 He recognized them?

02:21:05.200 It denounced violence?

02:21:06.200 This is a part of the Oslo One.

02:21:07.480 He didn't even denounce violence.

02:21:08.740 Yes, he did.

02:21:09.360 In Oslo One,

02:21:09.960 he denounced violence.

02:21:11.000 100%.

02:21:11.360 They said that.

02:21:12.880 But Oslo One was not a...

02:21:14.320 If you want to point to Oslo One

02:21:15.500 as an example,

02:21:15.960 then the Jews accepted that as well.

02:21:17.060 Then they know you're equal.

02:21:17.840 But that's my point.

02:21:18.860 Oslo One got sabotaged

02:21:20.340 because the Jews

02:21:21.380 killed their own guy.

02:21:22.820 That's my point.

02:21:23.840 Oslo Two came after.

02:21:25.320 It wasn't...

02:21:26.600 All right, let's go to camp then.

02:21:28.740 Let's go to Camp David 2000.

02:21:30.040 Oslo One carried on

02:21:30.740 after Rabin's death.

02:21:31.800 Yeah, it carried on,

02:21:32.960 but it didn't carry on

02:21:33.660 the way it was supposed to carry on

02:21:34.860 where they were going to come

02:21:35.540 and they were revisiting.

02:21:36.540 It was not supposed to

02:21:37.480 because that's how Arafat works.

02:21:39.320 You got killed a year later.

02:21:40.740 Yeah, and Oslo Two

02:21:41.660 and the Haran redeployment

02:21:42.880 happened after Rabin died.

02:21:44.420 It still carried on.

02:21:45.260 There's still a Palestinian authority

02:21:46.100 to this day.

02:21:46.820 There's still area A, B, and C

02:21:47.660 to this day.

02:21:48.300 It still exists.

02:21:48.940 Yeah, but it was never supposed

02:21:49.800 to last that long as a point.

02:21:51.060 The terms of the deal

02:21:51.980 got destroyed.

02:21:52.320 That's why the second is about to start.

02:21:53.780 Yeah, rightfully so 0.71

02:21:54.860 because the terms didn't go

02:21:55.700 as agreed.

02:21:57.000 There was no final deal arranged.

02:21:58.000 So Camp David...

02:21:58.520 There was no...

02:21:59.280 Yeah.

02:21:59.920 Okay, so you mentioned a guy

02:22:01.280 named Shlomo Ben-Amin,

02:22:03.900 which I find interesting

02:22:04.700 because he even admitted

02:22:05.820 that that deal was bullshit

02:22:07.480 and he said,

02:22:07.840 I wouldn't have accepted

02:22:08.400 if I was a Palestinian either

02:22:09.280 and he was one of the negotiators

02:22:10.320 alongside your boy Ahud Brak.

02:22:11.640 So he admitted that.

02:22:12.280 Yeah, I'm aware.

02:22:12.580 I know this quote.

02:22:13.320 I literally asked this guy

02:22:14.020 about this quote.

02:22:14.500 I'm aware.

02:22:14.880 All he's saying is that

02:22:15.600 they were able to push

02:22:16.220 for a stronger deal

02:22:17.180 at the Taba Summit.

02:22:18.140 But the thing that undermines

02:22:18.940 that quote is that

02:22:19.800 at Camp David,

02:22:20.660 he said that the Palestinians

02:22:21.900 were right to walk away from it.

02:22:23.280 But then at Taba Summit

02:22:24.040 where they got even more offered,

02:22:25.160 they walked away from that too.

02:22:26.300 So apparently there was

02:22:26.960 never any strategic mind there.

02:22:28.260 Okay.

02:22:28.480 But because, yeah,

02:22:29.320 because they never accepted anything.

02:22:30.940 That summit that you're talking about,

02:22:31.760 the deals were already cooked

02:22:33.100 at that point.

02:22:33.620 He was trying to save face

02:22:34.620 and get his legacy.

02:22:35.420 But we'll go into there.

02:22:36.560 Yeah, it was cooked at that point.

02:22:37.800 The deals weren't cooked

02:22:38.280 because Arafat was never

02:22:39.200 going to agree to anything

02:22:39.860 and they started to realize that.

02:22:40.940 That's where the frustrations

02:22:41.520 were mounting on

02:22:42.080 because after Camp David,

02:22:43.060 the Palestinians accepted nothing. 0.98

02:22:44.220 There was nothing on the table.

02:22:45.080 He would always give

02:22:45.700 the vaguest, bullshittest answers.

02:22:47.100 They didn't accept

02:22:47.780 the Clinton parameters

02:22:48.400 even though the Jews did. 0.91

02:22:49.520 And then they go to Taba Summit

02:22:50.300 for the last-ditch negotiation

02:22:51.320 and Arafat's looking at Barack like,

02:22:52.620 ha ha, you got an election

02:22:53.520 coming up, motherfucker. 0.98

02:22:54.500 And then just, you know,

02:22:55.260 kicked his feet back and chilled.

02:22:56.500 Flew around the world

02:22:57.160 in a jet for a while

02:22:57.900 to the embarrassment

02:22:59.060 of the rest of the Arab world

02:22:59.800 and then sat back

02:23:00.280 and watched as the Second Intifada

02:23:01.320 erupted all over

02:23:02.060 the country of Israel.

02:23:03.020 All right, let's go through

02:23:03.720 why it was a bullshit deal.

02:23:04.980 Instead of, like,

02:23:05.640 complaining about it,

02:23:06.100 let me go through

02:23:06.520 why they didn't accept it.

02:23:08.060 And even one of the Israelis 0.98

02:23:09.020 that you're mentioning here

02:23:10.020 admitted that the Palestinians 0.98

02:23:11.420 were right to walk away from it.

02:23:12.720 So, number one.

02:23:13.220 From Camp David.

02:23:13.860 Camp David, not the Taba Summit.

02:23:14.980 Camp David.

02:23:15.340 Yeah, I'm talking about,

02:23:15.800 yes, I'm talking about Camp David.

02:23:16.700 This was the original deal.

02:23:17.900 So, first, Ahud-Brak says,

02:23:19.040 oh, yeah, we're going to give you,

02:23:20.040 we're going to concede

02:23:20.960 with 91% of the West Bank.

02:23:22.160 But the problem is that

02:23:22.860 they didn't use

02:23:23.440 the international community's

02:23:24.260 definition of the West Bank.

02:23:25.160 They gave their own

02:23:25.920 bullshit definition

02:23:26.800 of the West Bank,

02:23:27.660 which didn't cover

02:23:29.620 a bunch of the areas

02:23:30.500 that were important.

02:23:31.580 No man's land,

02:23:32.180 East Jerusalem,

02:23:33.060 Red Sea territories, etc.

02:23:34.440 Also, so the deal

02:23:35.440 was cut from the beginning.

02:23:36.320 It wasn't the full 91

02:23:37.100 like they claimed

02:23:37.660 because it didn't cover

02:23:38.520 a lot of the settlement areas.

02:23:40.400 Also, they left out...

02:23:41.600 Point by point,

02:23:42.000 just to correct that.

02:23:42.540 It has nothing to do with 91%.

02:23:43.660 You're talking about land swaps, okay?

02:23:45.340 Yes.

02:23:45.520 What you're actually talking about,

02:23:46.840 it's funny,

02:23:47.400 you're using the Jewish mind here, 1.00

02:23:48.620 is that they were like,

02:23:49.440 okay, well, they want 91%,

02:23:50.400 97%, 100%.

02:23:51.500 When they came in,

02:23:52.980 Ayurved had no clue 1.00

02:23:53.620 what he wanted.

02:23:54.100 The Jews thought 0.78

02:23:54.560 it's just some percentage thing.

02:23:55.560 But the reality is

02:23:56.100 what they really needed

02:23:56.700 to negotiate on

02:23:57.380 was what you hit on

02:23:57.980 on the second point there

02:23:58.580 were the holy sites.

02:23:59.980 That was way more important

02:24:01.000 than any type of 91%,

02:24:02.160 95%, 97% land swap.

02:24:03.820 But the holy site thing,

02:24:05.160 the Ayurved side

02:24:05.620 never even touched that.

02:24:06.760 They never made any strong claims

02:24:08.180 about what they wanted there.

02:24:08.980 And that was an unanswered question.

02:24:10.240 And a lot of people do point

02:24:10.920 to the lack of specificity

02:24:12.320 around holy sites

02:24:13.060 for why nothing came from Camp David.

02:24:15.220 Yeah, well, here's the thing.

02:24:16.860 If they can't even negotiate

02:24:18.880 for continuity, right,

02:24:21.060 continuity in their region

02:24:22.380 where everything is fragmented

02:24:23.500 and they barely have

02:24:24.200 any type of authority,

02:24:25.440 they're not in a position

02:24:26.460 to negotiate

02:24:27.000 for the religious site.

02:24:27.980 They would have had continuity.

02:24:28.880 That's an easy thing to do.

02:24:29.760 Continuity was never the big deal.

02:24:30.900 No, that's huge

02:24:31.700 because if they don't have continuity,

02:24:33.360 then how are they going to go ahead

02:24:34.360 and be able to establish trade?

02:24:35.320 How are they going to be able

02:24:35.740 to travel properly?

02:24:36.740 They would have continuity.

02:24:37.780 Everything is fragmented.

02:24:39.680 There's travel.

02:24:39.980 It's only fragmented right now

02:24:41.200 because of the relic

02:24:42.020 of Oslo 1 and 2.

02:24:43.380 But the continuity would be given

02:24:44.440 if they actually had a state.

02:24:45.220 The idea behind Oslo 1

02:24:46.260 was that Area A and B

02:24:47.300 would be fully handed over

02:24:48.220 to them eventually

02:24:48.680 and then lots of Area C

02:24:49.660 would be handed over

02:24:50.200 to them as well.

02:24:50.800 And that never happened

02:24:52.880 because the settlements

02:24:54.300 kept expanding,

02:24:55.040 which are illegal, by the way.

02:24:55.960 The whole international community,

02:24:57.480 it literally says

02:24:58.140 that the settlements are illegal.

02:24:59.080 It never happened because Oslo 2

02:24:59.420 died with the second intifada.

02:25:00.880 Nothing came from it.

02:25:01.260 The settlements are illegal, bro.

02:25:02.400 There's no way around that.

02:25:03.360 Everybody knows that.

02:25:04.100 Settlements are 1,000% illegal.

02:25:05.800 Ask Destiny.

02:25:06.960 Destiny, Stephen,

02:25:07.960 do you think the settlements are illegal?

02:25:09.400 I don't think it matters.

02:25:10.420 It's not relevant.

02:25:11.600 The international community's opinion here is not.

02:25:13.040 Oh, now the international community

02:25:13.980 doesn't matter.

02:25:14.440 We were talking about the UN

02:25:15.540 and the GA all this time

02:25:16.800 and now international law doesn't matter.

02:25:18.520 And that's the problem with the Israelis. 1.00

02:25:19.780 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

02:25:20.420 When have I ever cited international law

02:25:21.720 as being determinative

02:25:22.340 for any of these deals?

02:25:23.220 You were talking about

02:25:24.440 we were talking about the Peel Commission.

02:25:25.760 Then we were talking about the 242.

02:25:27.540 Then we were talking about the 1967.

02:25:28.340 The Peel Commission was prior to the existence

02:25:28.860 of the UN

02:25:29.440 and the Peel Commission

02:25:30.240 wasn't determinative of anything.

02:25:31.780 It was just a finding

02:25:32.320 on what was happening.

02:25:32.960 When you're talking about 67,

02:25:33.920 you're talking about peace or whatever,

02:25:35.320 you yourself just said

02:25:36.500 that Resolution 242 is bullshit.

02:25:38.320 And we agree on that, right?

02:25:39.420 And the phrasing was kind of vague.

02:25:40.400 When you're talking about peace

02:25:40.960 between Egypt and Jordan and Israel,

02:25:42.760 you agreed.

02:25:43.220 It wasn't the UN that caused it.

02:25:44.200 It was the US paying both sides

02:25:45.480 a lot of fucking money.

02:25:46.360 So yes, the international community

02:25:47.380 is not very relevant

02:25:47.980 when it comes to dealing with peace

02:25:48.820 in this region.

02:25:49.400 It's always because there are leaders

02:25:50.380 in the region

02:25:50.940 that are trying to take big steps to make it

02:25:52.040 or it's because international pressure

02:25:53.140 from some countries

02:25:53.780 or assistance are the ones

02:25:54.540 that are encouraging to take it.

02:25:55.260 The deal was bad.

02:25:56.400 I'm not saying international law is bullshit.

02:25:57.940 I'm saying that the deal,

02:25:59.380 the partition plan was bullshit.

02:26:01.240 That particular plan was not fair

02:26:02.720 to the Palestinians whatsoever.

02:26:04.480 International law doesn't mean anything 0.66

02:26:05.660 to any of the players in this region

02:26:06.960 until they want to wield it as a weapon

02:26:08.240 against somebody else.

02:26:08.900 Fucking Assad and the Houthis in Yemen 0.99

02:26:11.100 and the Muslim Brotherhood.

02:26:12.900 These people don't give a fuck

02:26:13.560 about UN international fucking law.

02:26:15.140 None of these people

02:26:15.500 don't care about international law.

02:26:16.800 Well, I'll tell you this.

02:26:18.100 They break the international law

02:26:19.580 less than the Israelis do, 1.00

02:26:20.640 which is kind of crazy

02:26:21.320 because the Israelis

02:26:21.900 are supposed to be democracy

02:26:23.340 and we're the Muslim army.

02:26:24.820 I don't even know how you would.

02:26:25.500 I seriously don't.

02:26:26.140 And they're the occupying force.

02:26:27.440 As the occupying force,

02:26:28.340 they're held to a way higher standard, right?

02:26:29.920 And they get aid from the United States.

02:26:31.120 You think Israel breaks international law

02:26:32.380 more than Assad did in Syria?

02:26:34.740 No.

02:26:34.980 More than Hezbollah does in Lebanon? 0.98

02:26:36.680 More than the Houthis do? 0.99

02:26:37.720 Is there a lot in Yemen?

02:26:39.480 You can make the argument

02:26:40.280 that the Israelis

02:26:40.960 break international law

02:26:42.020 more than these rogue

02:26:43.100 terrorist organizations.

02:26:44.680 Yeah.

02:26:44.920 You can make that argument.

02:26:45.740 Well, given that the death toll

02:26:46.600 is like 10x or more

02:26:48.240 from all these other regions.

02:26:49.540 Dude, Israel's doing a genocide 0.99

02:26:50.920 right now as we speak.

02:26:52.500 They're doing a genocide

02:26:53.360 right now.

02:26:55.600 Yeah, because

02:26:55.920 Arabs can't genocide other Arabs.

02:26:58.440 Because Arabs don't genocide other Arabs.

02:26:59.760 It's never considered that way.

02:27:00.880 There's not enough votes

02:27:01.580 in the UN to ever say

02:27:02.540 that there's a genocide going on

02:27:03.840 amongst any of these other Arabs.

02:27:05.600 Arab on Arab violence.

02:27:06.520 It's just not considered.

02:27:08.000 But I mean, yeah,

02:27:08.520 if you want to call it a genocide,

02:27:09.280 that's fine.

02:27:09.640 It is a genocide.

02:27:10.040 More children died in Yemen 0.99

02:27:11.280 than total Palestinians have died.

02:27:13.820 More children died of starvation in Yemen

02:27:15.240 than more children have fucking died

02:27:16.400 in the entire Israeli-Gaza war.

02:27:18.140 I'm one of the few

02:27:18.460 in Sudan.

02:27:18.900 It's like 500,000 people dead.

02:27:20.220 In fucking Syria, 0.86

02:27:20.700 it was like 500,000 people dead.

02:27:22.120 The Iraq-Aran war

02:27:23.000 saw a million people dead.

02:27:23.880 Sure.

02:27:24.040 Yeah, there's a ton of death

02:27:24.860 that happens.

02:27:25.360 That's great if we want to

02:27:26.060 throw around international law here,

02:27:27.200 but it's not solving anything.

02:27:28.540 Well, here's the thing.

02:27:29.080 242 came in in 67

02:27:30.300 and we're not any closer

02:27:31.420 to a fucking solution, right?

02:27:32.380 Here's the thing.

02:27:33.080 I've a million times

02:27:34.620 shit on the Gulf states.

02:27:36.300 I talked about Sudan,

02:27:37.340 all this other stuff

02:27:37.920 where we have all these conflicts

02:27:38.880 in the Middle East

02:27:39.340 and obviously the Gulf states

02:27:40.700 not helping and or contributing to it.

02:27:42.480 But the reality is

02:27:44.000 is that there is a genocide

02:27:45.520 being done right now

02:27:46.760 by the Israelis

02:27:47.480 on the people in Gaza.

02:27:49.640 We can sit here and deflect

02:27:50.640 and be like,

02:27:51.000 well, yo, look at the rest

02:27:51.740 of the Arab world.

02:27:52.540 That's fine.

02:27:53.260 You know, I totally acknowledge that.

02:27:54.940 But the reality is that

02:27:55.940 we have a full-fledged genocide

02:27:57.340 going on right now,

02:27:58.240 but the Israelis are supposed

02:27:59.380 to be the most moral army.

02:28:00.940 They're supposed to be,

02:28:01.640 and they're the occupier.

02:28:02.980 So obviously they're held

02:28:03.600 to a higher standard.

02:28:04.820 So a whole bunch of...

02:28:05.800 Why doesn't Hamas just 0.97

02:28:06.080 release the hostages then?

02:28:08.080 Okay, sure.

02:28:08.760 We can go ahead and discuss that

02:28:09.820 because that's a whole other...

02:28:10.720 Let's just move to...

02:28:12.200 You don't want to...

02:28:13.020 No, no, I just want to hear that

02:28:14.060 because that would immediately

02:28:15.940 take the wind out of the sails

02:28:17.120 of any kind of moral authority

02:28:18.260 Israel has to continue the war. 0.85

02:28:19.740 Why wouldn't Hamas just 0.98

02:28:20.300 release the hostages?

02:28:20.820 Say, oh, fuck us.

02:28:21.720 Obviously we're not winning this.

02:28:22.560 We're just releasing the hostages.

02:28:23.640 Okay, so are we going to do this

02:28:25.220 or Camp David?

02:28:25.800 Because this is going to go

02:28:26.360 into a whole other thing

02:28:27.020 if I go into this Hamas thing.

02:28:27.740 We can do...

02:28:28.360 I'm just curious to hear

02:28:28.920 your answer to this

02:28:29.460 and then we can go back

02:28:29.960 to Camp David.

02:28:30.900 Well, if I answer this,

02:28:31.820 I know you're not going to let...

02:28:32.720 You're going to want to keep going.

02:28:34.460 I promise we'll come to this.

02:28:35.360 We'll come to this.

02:28:35.780 We'll come to this, yeah.

02:28:36.020 All right, let me just go

02:28:37.100 through Camp David, right?

02:28:38.200 So also the Camp David Accords,

02:28:41.840 of course,

02:28:43.480 it allowed them to keep

02:28:44.260 the best land that was fertile.

02:28:46.040 They had the strategic high ground,

02:28:47.240 key waterways.

02:28:48.720 Israel would control the border 0.99

02:28:49.660 with Jordan,

02:28:50.320 which obviously would undermine

02:28:51.460 their ability

02:28:52.100 to have some sovereignty

02:28:53.080 or do any type of economic trade.

02:28:55.560 Also, they were demilitarized,

02:28:56.780 as we know,

02:28:57.580 no military whatsoever

02:28:58.520 still occupied.

02:28:59.600 They would have

02:28:59.920 a lightly armed police force,

02:29:02.460 but we know that's not nothing.

02:29:04.480 And then obviously,

02:29:05.280 the Israelis would control 1.00

02:29:07.500 everything else.

02:29:08.340 And also another important thing

02:29:09.440 is according to international law,

02:29:10.960 I know you say

02:29:11.280 you don't care about international law,

02:29:12.480 but transferring civilians

02:29:13.540 to occupied territory

02:29:14.580 is illegal under 49 0.59

02:29:15.880 of the Geneva Convention.

02:29:17.160 So even with Ahud Barak's deal here,

02:29:19.640 he was still violating

02:29:20.300 international law.

02:29:21.180 So this deal was complete bullshit.

02:29:23.780 And then I know you're going to want

02:29:24.740 to mention the whole Clinton thing.

02:29:26.020 The Clinton situation,

02:29:28.280 the Clinton summit

02:29:31.000 was basically like,

02:29:32.300 hey, I'm trying to come in

02:29:33.300 and save it

02:29:33.800 to save my own legacy,

02:29:34.680 but he didn't really console

02:29:36.080 with the Israelis

02:29:36.600 or the Palestinians whatsoever.

02:29:37.800 Because at that point,

02:29:38.400 it was already, you know,

02:29:39.580 head to bed with the Intifada

02:29:40.720 and everything.

02:29:41.660 So whatever.

02:29:42.520 But we can fast forward.

02:29:43.480 The Clinton parameters

02:29:44.020 were before the Intifada,

02:29:44.920 the second Intifada.

02:29:46.000 The Clinton parameters

02:29:47.620 were an attempt

02:29:48.240 to save Camp David

02:29:49.220 because no final agreement

02:29:50.380 was reached with Camp David.

02:29:51.320 And then the Clinton parameters

02:29:52.160 rolled into the Taba summit

02:29:53.560 back and forth.

02:29:54.680 But I think Arafat saw

02:29:55.960 the time ticking

02:29:58.140 on Ehud Barak's

02:29:59.560 prime ministership

02:30:00.300 and then flew around

02:30:01.220 a jet all day

02:30:02.200 and waited to run

02:30:03.180 the clock out on his.

02:30:04.240 It didn't.

02:30:04.720 The deal sucked.

02:30:05.440 I mean, I read it out for you.

02:30:06.420 Like they had like,

02:30:07.100 it was fragmented territory,

02:30:08.840 limited police force.

02:30:09.940 It's fragmented

02:30:10.200 because I know the maps

02:30:11.020 you've seen,

02:30:11.380 but that's just not true.

02:30:12.720 It wouldn't have been fragmented.

02:30:13.980 It would have been contiguous land.

02:30:14.900 In your mind,

02:30:15.460 you're thinking of like

02:30:16.180 some Area A versus BC land.

02:30:18.180 The final deal

02:30:18.880 that they would have made

02:30:19.580 like would have had,

02:30:21.520 not only would it have been

02:30:22.900 contiguous territory

02:30:23.540 in the West Bank,

02:30:24.040 they would have had

02:30:24.340 a highway that was supposed

02:30:25.480 to have been built

02:30:26.060 between the West Bank

02:30:27.560 and the Gaza Strip.

02:30:28.240 Like it literally would have been.

02:30:29.240 It's not contiguous at all.

02:30:30.520 And then on top of that,

02:30:31.260 settlers get certain roads 0.69

02:30:32.260 that Palestinians don't. 1.00

02:30:33.580 Palestinians got to go 1.00

02:30:34.160 through checkpoints

02:30:34.660 that settlers don't.

02:30:35.820 No, you're talking about

02:30:36.760 the Oslo Accords right now.

02:30:37.840 That's not what it would have

02:30:38.980 been like afterwards.

02:30:39.940 But the Oslo Accords

02:30:40.840 were still in effect

02:30:41.460 when this deal,

02:30:42.100 when they brought this

02:30:42.760 Camp David bullshit in, 0.79

02:30:44.080 which didn't help.

02:30:45.140 The Camp David

02:30:45.800 was supposed to supersede

02:30:46.900 the Oslo Accords.

02:30:47.460 And it didn't.

02:30:48.480 And it didn't.

02:30:49.000 That's my point.

02:30:49.460 Because they never agreed

02:30:49.880 to anything.

02:30:50.560 Yeah, but the Oslo

02:30:51.280 was in point.

02:30:52.120 Hold on.

02:30:52.540 We can't.

02:30:53.280 This is a quick thing,

02:30:54.760 I guess, for the audience.

02:30:55.460 This is what the map

02:30:56.240 would have looked like.

02:30:56.780 The idea that there was

02:30:57.400 no contiguous offer

02:30:58.580 is just not true.

02:31:00.080 There would have been

02:31:00.600 contiguous land.

02:31:01.240 It would have basically

02:31:01.980 solidified Area A, B,

02:31:03.480 and most of, I think,

02:31:04.100 Area C for the Palestinians. 0.98

02:31:06.740 And the settlements

02:31:07.540 were expanding the whole time.

02:31:08.640 They had 60% of the West Bank

02:31:09.700 pretty much with these

02:31:10.280 illegal settlements,

02:31:11.080 and they kept expanding.

02:31:12.280 And on top of that,

02:31:13.240 these settlers are starting

02:31:14.100 fights all the time,

02:31:14.940 beating up on Palestinians, 0.82

02:31:15.880 stealing their land.

02:31:16.900 The vast majority

02:31:17.600 of the settlements

02:31:18.100 are near the Green Line.

02:31:18.980 The vast majority

02:31:19.540 of settlers live

02:31:20.320 near Israel, basically.

02:31:21.740 Like, Palestinians themselves 0.98

02:31:22.840 wouldn't care to trade away

02:31:24.000 most of this land

02:31:24.840 on the fringes

02:31:25.660 because you wouldn't even

02:31:26.060 have to trade

02:31:26.340 that big of a percentage.

02:31:27.300 The big disagreements

02:31:27.980 would have been over

02:31:28.400 what to do with these

02:31:28.960 The settlements are

02:31:29.280 on the best land, bro.

02:31:30.300 The big settlements

02:31:31.080 are on the best land.

02:31:31.660 The best land doesn't

02:31:32.120 matter anymore.

02:31:32.540 People aren't here

02:31:32.880 farming corn.

02:31:33.980 That's not irrelevant.

02:31:34.900 Right now, the relevant

02:31:35.700 disagreements are holy lands.

02:31:37.500 You can laugh.

02:31:38.000 Okay, but see,

02:31:38.700 here you go.

02:31:38.920 So you can laugh.

02:31:39.420 And here's the ultimate

02:31:40.040 destroyer to your point.

02:31:40.780 What did Arafat offer?

02:31:41.720 What did he say

02:31:42.120 he was going to accept?

02:31:42.700 You have nothing.

02:31:43.440 You have nothing.

02:31:43.860 You lose on this point

02:31:44.460 every single time.

02:31:45.040 You would never be able

02:31:45.660 to give me a counteroffer

02:31:46.500 by Arafat

02:31:46.820 because he never wanted

02:31:47.560 to accept anything.

02:31:48.440 And you could say,

02:31:48.920 well, this deal was a good deal.

02:31:49.660 This deal was bullshit.

02:31:50.500 Show me that Arafat's word.

02:31:51.100 I wouldn't take it either.

02:31:52.440 I wouldn't take it either.

02:31:53.660 So what would he have taken?

02:31:55.680 Not that.

02:31:56.240 Exactly, nothing.

02:31:56.840 You have no idea

02:31:57.400 because he wouldn't.

02:31:57.960 He wanted to fight forever.

02:31:58.560 Bro, bro,

02:31:59.180 even the Israeli Shlomo himself

02:32:01.260 said, I wouldn't take

02:32:02.080 this deal either.

02:32:03.320 That was in reference

02:32:04.160 to Camp David.

02:32:05.160 That was in reference

02:32:05.600 to Camp David.

02:32:06.040 Yeah, Camp David

02:32:06.580 was bullshit.

02:32:07.780 Yeah, but then

02:32:08.520 Tabas Summit came after

02:32:09.600 and he walked away

02:32:10.900 from Tabas Summit as well.

02:32:11.820 It was bullshit.

02:32:12.600 It was an expansion.

02:32:13.520 No, that was even more

02:32:14.120 concessions made by Israel.

02:32:15.560 I think by the end

02:32:16.460 of Camp David

02:32:16.880 they had like 91. 0.99

02:32:17.820 Hold on.

02:32:18.320 Those concessions

02:32:18.800 you're talking about

02:32:19.260 were from Clinton,

02:32:20.060 not from the Israelis.

02:32:21.400 No, they were from Clinton.

02:32:22.060 They were from the Israelis.

02:32:22.980 No, they weren't.

02:32:23.320 The Clinton parameters

02:32:23.880 were a set of six parameters

02:32:25.040 that both sides

02:32:25.680 were basically supposed

02:32:26.400 to sign on to

02:32:27.100 in agreements

02:32:27.620 to do negotiations.

02:32:28.540 The Israeli delegation

02:32:29.500 accepted basically all of them.

02:32:31.140 Clinton gave that

02:32:32.100 on his way out

02:32:33.160 to look cool

02:32:34.020 and say that he was

02:32:34.700 a peacemaker for his legacy.

02:32:36.980 The Israelis 0.92

02:32:37.680 and both parties

02:32:39.040 are off on this one.

02:32:40.140 The Israelis 0.92

02:32:40.580 and the Palestinians 0.55

02:32:41.700 weren't involved

02:32:42.240 in that whatsoever.

02:32:42.960 That was for Clinton's ego.

02:32:43.740 That's not true.

02:32:44.120 Israel accepted

02:32:44.940 the Israeli delegation

02:32:45.800 accepted the Clinton parameters

02:32:46.760 and Arifat basically

02:32:47.460 walked away from them

02:32:48.260 and then went to Tabas Summit

02:32:49.160 and Arifat again

02:32:49.960 walked away.

02:32:50.500 The Israelis did not 1.00

02:32:51.260 accept that Clinton parameters.

02:32:52.660 They did not.

02:32:52.940 They did not.

02:32:54.000 They did not.

02:32:55.220 They definitely did not.

02:32:56.920 They definitely did.

02:32:57.600 They did not.

02:32:58.560 And honestly,

02:32:59.180 even if they did,

02:32:59.760 it doesn't matter

02:33:00.280 because it was

02:33:00.800 a bullshit deal anyway.

02:33:02.480 Every deal is a bullshit deal

02:33:03.960 to the Palestinians.

02:33:04.880 I'm seeing a trend here.

02:33:05.800 All of the deals

02:33:06.320 are bullshit.

02:33:06.720 There's no deal on the table.

02:33:07.880 I told you Oslo Quartz

02:33:08.860 came close.

02:33:09.620 Oslo Quartz

02:33:10.080 have been stuck it out.

02:33:10.860 What about Olmert in 2008?

02:33:11.680 Olmert offered more

02:33:12.540 than had ever been offered

02:33:13.300 even at Tabas Summit

02:33:14.120 and Abu Mazen

02:33:16.460 or Makurabas

02:33:17.420 walked away from that as well.

02:33:19.320 And he didn't respond

02:33:20.140 until 2010

02:33:20.840 claiming that he didn't know

02:33:22.040 what the deal would look like.

02:33:22.880 And again,

02:33:23.540 because he saw

02:33:23.900 the writing on the wall

02:33:24.460 for Olmert getting kicked out too.

02:33:25.780 No, man.

02:33:26.420 There's never a deal

02:33:28.100 that the Palestinians will accept. 0.88

02:33:29.240 I told you,

02:33:29.800 Oslo came the closest

02:33:30.800 and they killed the guy

02:33:31.700 that was the head negotiator

02:33:32.840 in that

02:33:33.060 and Oslo died

02:33:33.920 with Rabin.

02:33:36.620 It was a framework.

02:33:38.280 Yeah, they are still in.

02:33:39.520 They're locked in Oslo today.

02:33:40.720 It was the best framework

02:33:41.700 and it was the best framework.

02:33:45.200 Number one,

02:33:45.580 it was the best framework

02:33:46.280 and if Yitzhak Rabin had lived,

02:33:47.760 who knows

02:33:48.220 how far we could have gone.

02:33:49.700 We don't know

02:33:50.340 because Yitzhak Rabin

02:33:51.360 got assassinated

02:33:52.040 and then Netanyahu came in

02:33:53.040 and sabotaged the Oslos.

02:33:54.380 That's the point.

02:33:55.460 What final issues

02:33:56.480 would,

02:33:56.920 on the final issues,

02:33:57.920 not just the framework,

02:33:58.700 the actual final issues

02:33:59.500 on refugees,

02:34:00.380 the capital,

02:34:00.920 the borders,

02:34:02.480 what of those

02:34:03.060 would Yasser Arafat

02:34:04.220 have agreed to?

02:34:05.680 With the whole situation,

02:34:07.460 with the borders

02:34:08.540 and what else?

02:34:08.860 What deal would he have agreed to?

02:34:10.940 He agreed to the Oslo.

02:34:12.440 The Oslo.

02:34:13.180 No, that's not

02:34:13.700 final status issues.

02:34:14.780 The final status issues

02:34:15.900 was only discussed later on.

02:34:17.420 Okay,

02:34:17.780 but here's the problem,

02:34:18.720 right?

02:34:19.380 Here's the thing

02:34:19.800 that the Israelis do. 0.99

02:34:21.040 They start up,

02:34:22.040 they enter an agreement

02:34:23.680 and they say,

02:34:24.120 oh yeah,

02:34:24.380 we can revisit it.

02:34:25.260 But what they do

02:34:25.900 in the meantime

02:34:26.580 is they expand the settlements,

02:34:28.420 they take more land,

02:34:29.520 they kill more people,

02:34:30.300 they've been doing this forever.

02:34:31.360 It's always in the Israelis' interest 1.00

02:34:32.860 to extend it

02:34:33.920 and have things going on

02:34:35.060 because they have this stupid term

02:34:36.580 where reality on the ground.

02:34:38.340 So what they do is

02:34:39.280 they purposely push things back

02:34:41.600 so that the reality on the ground

02:34:42.940 could be more in their favor

02:34:43.860 so that when they come back

02:34:44.740 and do negotiate,

02:34:45.440 oh yeah,

02:34:45.860 by the way,

02:34:46.540 we expand little settlements,

02:34:47.600 et cetera.

02:34:48.000 They've been doing this for decades.

02:34:49.560 The Oslo framework

02:34:50.440 was the best framework

02:34:51.640 even though it wasn't even that great

02:34:52.880 because the Palestinians

02:34:53.740 had conceded quite a bit

02:34:55.660 in the Oslo Accords.

02:34:57.340 But the Israelis 0.99

02:34:59.160 don't want peace that bad

02:35:00.540 where they killed

02:35:01.100 their own fucking prime minister.

02:35:02.480 Do you guys understand

02:35:03.140 how insane that is?

02:35:04.020 They killed their own prime minister

02:35:05.300 because he gave an inch

02:35:07.120 to recognize

02:35:07.820 the Palestinian authority?

02:35:09.380 There's radicals

02:35:10.200 in every country

02:35:11.160 related to this issue.

02:35:11.440 Oh, now there's radicals

02:35:12.300 in every,

02:35:13.140 but that's my point.

02:35:14.240 They are the-

02:35:14.760 Wait, wait, wait.

02:35:15.020 Why are you being ironic there?

02:35:15.980 Hold on.

02:35:16.240 What do you think

02:35:16.600 that you just said?

02:35:17.220 The country is anything I said.

02:35:18.140 You don't think

02:35:18.400 I think there aren't radical Israelis?

02:35:20.220 No, I'm going to say

02:35:20.880 you're not,

02:35:21.220 that there's not radical Israelis.

02:35:22.220 I didn't say that.

02:35:23.220 Are you saying

02:35:23.820 there aren't radical Palestinians

02:35:24.920 or radical Egyptians?

02:35:26.140 Of course there are.

02:35:26.480 Okay, so what do you mean

02:35:27.100 like, oh, there are radicals

02:35:27.800 in all this, yes.

02:35:30.340 Because remember

02:35:30.760 what the debate was, Destiny.

02:35:31.940 The debate was

02:35:32.620 who is the bigger obstacle

02:35:33.980 to peace?

02:35:35.080 I argue with the Israelis 1.00

02:35:36.140 and I gave my case on that.

02:35:37.780 Let's start with,

02:35:38.320 and I'm going to do it.

02:35:39.220 In my case,

02:35:40.180 it's just that

02:35:40.660 there have been Israeli leaders,

02:35:42.600 you yourself said it,

02:35:43.800 that were willing

02:35:44.180 to be assassinated

02:35:45.100 or make huge political sacrifices

02:35:46.520 to look for peace.

02:35:47.840 Rabin was assassinated

02:35:49.040 for his peace deal.

02:35:51.080 Ehud Barak

02:35:51.620 lost his election,

02:35:52.580 you know,

02:35:53.160 off of his failed peace,

02:35:54.200 basically,

02:35:54.740 and there is no peace deal

02:35:56.300 on the table

02:35:56.900 that we can look to

02:35:57.600 from Arafat.

02:35:58.860 I mean, he was messing

02:35:59.400 around with Epstein.

02:36:00.480 He was messing around

02:36:01.040 with Epstein,

02:36:01.480 I don't know,

02:36:01.980 but I would rock.

02:36:03.020 But look,

02:36:03.840 the point is,

02:36:04.440 okay, let me give my,

02:36:05.340 do you want to go,

02:36:05.980 do you want,

02:36:06.360 can I give my summary

02:36:07.120 and then we'll go into

02:36:07.780 the conflict with October 7th

02:36:09.420 because that's a whole other thing.

02:36:11.580 All right,

02:36:11.880 so here's my summary,

02:36:12.840 okay?

02:36:13.160 Let's start with the Peel Commission.

02:36:14.520 Peel Commission

02:36:15.020 was basically Ben Gurion's way

02:36:17.180 of getting into

02:36:17.840 the international scene

02:36:19.360 and say,

02:36:19.940 look,

02:36:20.120 even though we're colonists

02:36:21.700 that are coming in here

02:36:22.380 and it's not our land,

02:36:23.060 et cetera,

02:36:23.400 look,

02:36:23.620 we want to go ahead

02:36:24.140 and make some peace

02:36:24.620 even though we got

02:36:25.080 these labor communities 0.87

02:36:25.920 taking up all the land

02:36:27.000 and fighting with the Palestinians

02:36:28.420 and kicking them out

02:36:29.080 and not letting them

02:36:29.540 do what they got to do.

02:36:30.900 But you know what?

02:36:32.040 Let's go ahead

02:36:32.580 and do some kind of peace.

02:36:33.360 20% of the land,

02:36:34.760 let us get it

02:36:35.220 even though it's the best land.

02:36:36.380 Obviously,

02:36:36.740 the Palestinians

02:36:37.120 didn't want to agree to that,

02:36:38.080 right?

02:36:38.360 And that led to some conflicts.

02:36:39.460 Then we find out

02:36:40.060 that your boy,

02:36:41.240 Ben Gurion,

02:36:42.060 never had an intention

02:36:43.040 of actually having peace.

02:36:44.560 His intention

02:36:45.460 the whole time

02:36:45.920 was to always take the land.

02:36:46.700 This got personified

02:36:47.680 once again

02:36:48.260 with the 1947 petition plan

02:36:50.440 where he went ahead

02:36:51.740 and said,

02:36:52.060 okay,

02:36:52.200 we're going to agree

02:36:52.780 to 56% of the land

02:36:54.480 and then even though

02:36:55.980 we're less than

02:36:56.700 one third of the population,

02:36:57.640 56% of the land,

02:36:58.680 we only own about

02:36:59.300 6% to 70% legally.

02:37:00.880 But yeah,

02:37:01.180 let's go ahead and do this

02:37:01.900 and then we're going to

02:37:02.440 overrule the Palestinians 1.00

02:37:03.200 that are in our territory.

02:37:04.220 No,

02:37:04.500 they didn't agree to that.

02:37:05.420 Obviously,

02:37:05.820 a war breaks out.

02:37:06.720 After that war breaks out

02:37:07.640 in 1948,

02:37:08.680 which by the way,

02:37:09.800 Ergun,

02:37:10.160 Haganah,

02:37:10.940 Stern Gang,

02:37:11.480 all these militia groups,

02:37:12.660 these terrorist groups

02:37:13.160 were created

02:37:13.780 in the meantime

02:37:14.420 after 1937

02:37:15.460 to create the state of Israel.

02:37:16.800 State of Israel is created,

02:37:17.880 war ensues,

02:37:18.720 et cetera.

02:37:19.320 Then we get it,

02:37:19.860 fast forward into 1967,

02:37:21.120 Israel starts the war 0.98

02:37:21.940 because they think

02:37:22.600 they're going to be invaded.

02:37:23.560 They win the war,

02:37:24.540 but obviously,

02:37:26.260 they go ahead

02:37:26.980 and write the 242,

02:37:28.740 deal with that one

02:37:30.240 where they don't go,

02:37:31.720 they're not descriptive

02:37:32.380 of the territories.

02:37:33.140 They write territories.

02:37:34.800 They don't announce

02:37:35.280 the Palestinians whatsoever 0.71

02:37:36.280 or the refugees 0.97

02:37:37.280 or the right of return.

02:37:39.040 And obviously,

02:37:39.920 this was written

02:37:40.560 in a way deceptively

02:37:41.540 to basically allow them

02:37:42.940 to have more time.

02:37:43.660 During the meantime,

02:37:44.580 they're procuring

02:37:45.020 a nuclear weapon,

02:37:46.180 which again,

02:37:46.880 adds to my argument

02:37:47.460 that they never had peace

02:37:48.300 in the first place.

02:37:49.580 They held on to the territories

02:37:50.720 to some of it,

02:37:51.340 which they still hold on to today.

02:37:52.820 Then you fast forward

02:37:53.580 to 1978

02:37:54.160 with the Camp David Accords.

02:37:55.720 That had nothing to do

02:37:56.820 with the Palestinians.

02:37:57.460 The Palestinians 0.99

02:37:57.820 were not talked about

02:38:00.200 whatsoever

02:38:00.540 in the Camp David Accords.

02:38:01.640 It was just a peace deal

02:38:02.360 between Sadat and Menachem,

02:38:03.660 who's also a terrorist himself,

02:38:05.200 leader of like the Ergun 0.99

02:38:06.360 or the Haganah.

02:38:07.400 And then he ended up,

02:38:09.040 they negotiated this agreement.

02:38:10.980 They get the Sinai Peninsula back. 0.79

02:38:12.160 The Egyptians do become an ally

02:38:13.820 and didn't deal

02:38:15.420 with the Palestinian question

02:38:16.180 whatsoever.

02:38:17.240 And the reason why

02:38:17.760 I keep mentioning

02:38:18.320 that the Palestinians

02:38:18.900 aren't mentioned

02:38:19.340 is because until the Palestinians 1.00

02:38:21.260 have some type of sovereignty

02:38:22.440 or there's a two state

02:38:23.160 or a one state

02:38:23.720 where they get the right

02:38:24.580 to determination

02:38:25.120 is there going to be peace.

02:38:26.100 So that is my basis

02:38:26.980 as to why I'm making the arguments

02:38:28.100 that Israelis,

02:38:30.060 they're the biggest obstacles

02:38:30.980 of peace

02:38:31.280 because they never want

02:38:32.100 to answer the Palestinian question.

02:38:33.160 Yes, they'll negotiate

02:38:33.700 with the Egyptians here.

02:38:34.980 They'll negotiate

02:38:35.540 with the Jordanians here,

02:38:37.520 but they don't answer

02:38:38.080 the Palestinian question,

02:38:38.820 which is the root cause

02:38:39.680 of all these problems.

02:38:40.260 Then you fast forward

02:38:41.260 to the Oslo Accords.

02:38:43.660 Yasser Arafat agrees

02:38:44.700 to recognize Israel

02:38:45.580 as a state,

02:38:46.580 denounce violence,

02:38:47.400 and then say that they,

02:38:48.440 you know,

02:38:49.220 deserve to exist

02:38:50.700 in security and peace

02:38:51.720 and Israel has a right

02:38:52.320 to exist,

02:38:52.720 which was a huge concession

02:38:53.560 from a Palestinian perspective

02:38:54.560 because they had said,

02:38:55.480 oh, we're never going

02:38:56.000 to do peace with these guys.

02:38:57.480 Yasser Arafat,

02:38:58.440 Yitzhak Rabin,

02:38:59.040 all he does is,

02:39:00.320 hey, we're going to recognize

02:39:00.960 the Palestinian authorities

02:39:01.660 that represented the Palestinians.

02:39:03.400 Though that was

02:39:04.160 a minor concession,

02:39:05.120 in my opinion,

02:39:05.620 based on what Yasser Arafat gave.

02:39:07.100 Destiny might disagree with me,

02:39:07.820 that's fine.

02:39:09.160 Yasser Arafat tragically

02:39:10.240 gets assassinated

02:39:10.920 a year later

02:39:11.540 and that kills the Oslo Accords.

02:39:13.680 And the person

02:39:14.120 that killed Yasser Arafat,

02:39:15.000 and this is very important,

02:39:15.920 was a member

02:39:16.460 of the Likud party.

02:39:17.720 Who runs the Likud party?

02:39:18.800 Benjamin Netanyahu.

02:39:19.620 Yasser Arafat's wife

02:39:20.340 writes a book,

02:39:20.920 says that she thinks

02:39:21.500 that Netanyahu

02:39:21.960 is the one that killed

02:39:22.520 her husband.

02:39:24.500 Netanyahu takes power over

02:39:25.720 after that

02:39:26.580 and he sabotaged

02:39:27.680 the Oslo Accords

02:39:28.220 as admitted multiple times

02:39:29.480 in the West Bank

02:39:31.200 recorded footage

02:39:31.800 where he said this secretly.

02:39:32.980 And then on top of that,

02:39:34.000 he said it many times,

02:39:34.760 oh, I'm not going to,

02:39:35.500 we're not going to have

02:39:36.000 the Palestinian state.

02:39:36.900 He did everything

02:39:37.300 in his power to sabotage it

02:39:38.260 to include using

02:39:39.400 Jewish American neocons 0.63

02:39:41.100 like Douglas Pearl

02:39:42.280 and Douglas,

02:39:43.380 like Richard Pearl

02:39:44.440 and Douglas Feith,

02:39:45.020 all these other guys

02:39:45.500 to write the clean break memo,

02:39:46.800 how they can go ahead

02:39:47.580 and strategize

02:39:48.180 on how they're going to

02:39:48.660 take over the Middle East. 0.69

02:39:49.720 So once again,

02:39:50.680 not negotiating good peace,

02:39:52.440 not wanting peace,

02:39:53.400 procuring a nuclear weapon,

02:39:54.520 writing up papers

02:39:55.120 to start the war on terror,

02:39:56.060 which we're going to get

02:39:56.460 into here next.

02:39:57.160 Then you get into

02:39:57.660 the Camp David Accords,

02:39:58.720 which were bullshit as well

02:39:59.620 because the West Bank territories

02:40:01.080 that they were talking about

02:40:01.920 giving over

02:40:02.520 were all fragmented.

02:40:03.600 There was no contiguity whatsoever.

02:40:04.900 The Palestinians had no ability 1.00

02:40:06.440 to trade with the Jordanians.

02:40:07.660 They had no sovereignty.

02:40:08.380 They had a little

02:40:08.680 shitty police force,

02:40:10.100 but they were still

02:40:11.140 being occupied

02:40:11.740 by the Israelis

02:40:12.680 according to international law.

02:40:13.780 They're still being occupied.

02:40:14.940 And on top of that,

02:40:15.920 the Houd-Barak,

02:40:16.480 the deal that he made,

02:40:17.440 literally was illegal

02:40:18.280 and a war crime

02:40:18.880 because he was saying,

02:40:19.660 oh yeah,

02:40:19.880 we can move civilians

02:40:20.720 into an occupied territory.

02:40:21.820 What the fuck?

02:40:22.540 Like, how's that going to work?

02:40:23.300 So yes, of course,

02:40:24.040 Yasser Arafat declined it.

02:40:26.560 And then when that deal

02:40:27.200 didn't work

02:40:27.720 and Tafada happens,

02:40:29.240 Klan is trying

02:40:30.040 to save his legacy,

02:40:31.000 he tries to go ahead

02:40:31.620 and write the Klan parameters,

02:40:32.500 which would, you know,

02:40:33.660 in theory,

02:40:34.200 give the Palestinians

02:40:35.000 a little bit more land,

02:40:36.820 but the reality is

02:40:37.520 it never worked out

02:40:38.140 because the sovereignty

02:40:39.140 was what they wanted,

02:40:40.060 the right self-determination

02:40:41.620 which the Israelis

02:40:42.460 took from them

02:40:43.200 because they were occupying

02:40:44.100 them in the West Bank.

02:40:44.860 So that's up until

02:40:46.080 the year 2000

02:40:46.840 and we can go from there.

02:40:47.700 That's the idea of your sum.

02:40:50.120 Are we doing like a summary

02:40:51.380 on the entirety of...

02:40:52.300 Yeah, I gave a quick summary

02:40:53.960 on my thing

02:40:54.360 and then we'll go into

02:40:54.920 October 7th

02:40:55.700 because I know

02:40:56.080 that's going to be

02:40:56.540 its own thing.

02:40:57.480 Okay, yeah.

02:40:58.120 The way that this conflict works

02:40:59.240 is you talk to

02:41:00.220 the radical Zionists 0.74

02:41:01.140 which I've debated before.

02:41:01.960 You talk to the radical

02:41:02.500 pro-pali

02:41:03.000 which I've debated before

02:41:03.800 and all they do

02:41:04.280 is they give like

02:41:04.740 a total one-sided telling

02:41:05.600 of their history

02:41:06.140 and if you give one-sided

02:41:06.900 telling the history

02:41:07.460 you can also...

02:41:08.560 You can basically

02:41:09.040 incentivize an infinite amount

02:41:10.200 of justification

02:41:11.260 to do whatever you want.

02:41:12.920 When it comes to

02:41:13.680 the late 1800s,

02:41:14.640 when it comes to,

02:41:15.240 you know,

02:41:15.440 who belongs in Israel,

02:41:16.420 Palestinians are quick 1.00

02:41:17.460 to point out

02:41:18.000 that people that are

02:41:19.340 diaspora Jews

02:41:20.040 that might have come

02:41:20.440 from Eastern Europe

02:41:21.080 or that might have come

02:41:22.100 from Eastern Russia

02:41:22.840 didn't count.

02:41:23.980 They can't trace

02:41:24.480 their original bloodlines

02:41:25.360 back to the Middle East 1.00

02:41:26.380 which I'm pretty sure

02:41:26.940 most people don't even

02:41:27.560 agree with that today

02:41:28.160 that most of the people

02:41:29.040 that call themselves

02:41:29.580 Ashkenazi Jews,

02:41:30.760 most of the people

02:41:31.320 that were the Jews

02:41:32.040 that were diaspora Jews

02:41:32.900 around Europe,

02:41:33.880 around Russia

02:41:34.440 or whatever else,

02:41:35.080 like all of these bloodlines

02:41:36.120 can, a lot of them

02:41:36.900 can be traced back

02:41:37.500 to the same Canaanite people

02:41:38.680 that a lot of the Arabs

02:41:39.360 living there for a long time have.

02:41:40.860 All the caliphates before

02:41:41.880 that ultimately occupied

02:41:43.760 a lot of this land

02:41:44.560 in MENA,

02:41:45.400 the Middle East,

02:41:45.740 North Africa,

02:41:46.460 you know,

02:41:46.800 displaced people there,

02:41:48.180 subsumed people there,

02:41:49.240 you know,

02:41:49.660 assimilated people there,

02:41:50.440 forced them to change religions, 0.96

02:41:51.200 killed people

02:41:51.460 or whatever the fuck.

02:41:52.680 Doing the historical argument

02:41:53.800 in my opinion

02:41:54.400 is a loser

02:41:54.860 because if you go back

02:41:55.580 far enough,

02:41:56.240 you want to talk

02:41:56.640 indigenous people,

02:41:57.600 a kingdom of Israel

02:41:58.140 existed there way

02:41:58.780 before any of the

02:41:59.660 Islamic caliphates invaded, 0.72

02:42:01.480 before Islam was even 1.00

02:42:02.260 a religion in existence.

02:42:04.420 All of the Jews 0.97

02:42:05.180 that initially existed

02:42:06.440 in the Levant,

02:42:08.240 in the Ottoman Empire

02:42:09.180 territory,

02:42:09.960 preceding the collapse

02:42:11.080 of the Ottoman Empire

02:42:11.580 in 1917,

02:42:12.600 were,

02:42:13.340 it was purchased land.

02:42:15.020 We can say this

02:42:16.060 like they invaded

02:42:16.640 and they stole it,

02:42:17.220 but that doesn't pass

02:42:17.900 the smelt test

02:42:18.460 if you even think about it

02:42:18.980 for two seconds.

02:42:19.640 Like there was what,

02:42:20.160 a Jewish paramilitary group

02:42:21.760 fighting inside

02:42:22.660 the Ottoman Empire territory,

02:42:23.900 displacing Arab farmers,

02:42:25.560 like it doesn't make sense.

02:42:26.700 Like the territory

02:42:27.540 was bought by Jews. 0.58

02:42:28.920 Early Jews tried 1.00

02:42:29.780 to make Aliyah

02:42:30.620 to the Levant.

02:42:31.640 They failed.

02:42:32.120 They sucked.

02:42:32.520 They didn't have the money

02:42:33.240 and the funding for it.

02:42:34.460 After the Balfour Declaration

02:42:35.920 was secured by Jews

02:42:37.360 in the United Kingdom,

02:42:38.780 which was basically

02:42:39.200 a promise to have

02:42:39.920 some kind of Jewish homeland

02:42:40.680 in the Ottoman Empire

02:42:41.640 should the Ottoman Empire

02:42:42.460 fall,

02:42:42.760 the Ottoman Empire fell

02:42:43.460 post-1917.

02:42:44.340 The mandate for Palestine

02:42:45.060 exists.

02:42:45.800 Jews are still buying up land. 0.85

02:42:46.780 They're moving in more farmers.

02:42:47.680 They start to do

02:42:48.420 a whole bunch of

02:42:48.840 fucking agriculture.

02:42:49.620 They start to bring

02:42:50.140 water in from

02:42:51.100 the Northeast or whatever.

02:42:52.220 And then eventually,

02:42:53.380 there's conflict

02:42:54.640 that arises there

02:42:55.220 for understandable reasons

02:42:56.120 between the Arabs 0.96

02:42:56.720 that live there

02:42:57.200 and between the Jews

02:42:58.200 that are starting

02:42:58.560 to immigrate there.

02:42:59.220 This violence escalates

02:43:00.660 to such points

02:43:01.280 that paramilitary groups

02:43:02.620 are starting to being

02:43:03.180 created by Jews 0.98

02:43:03.960 because the British

02:43:04.580 police force

02:43:05.640 is no longer able

02:43:06.280 to keep check

02:43:06.980 with some of the

02:43:07.900 Arab-on-Jew violence there.

02:43:09.560 Some of these people,

02:43:10.380 the Leahy and the Irgun 0.92

02:43:11.000 especially,

02:43:11.720 engage in what

02:43:12.600 the Haganah

02:43:13.260 and other people

02:43:13.640 would say was

02:43:14.140 unjustified violence

02:43:15.440 for terrorism

02:43:15.760 against Arab communities. 0.94

02:43:16.580 You have some

02:43:18.500 notable events.

02:43:19.120 I think the Haran 0.96

02:43:19.580 massacre in 29

02:43:20.400 was a notable one

02:43:21.400 with a lot of Jewish

02:43:22.400 people being killed

02:43:22.880 by Arabs.

02:43:24.260 I think by 36,

02:43:25.500 there have been

02:43:25.780 multiple white papers

02:43:26.680 written,

02:43:27.160 but by 36 or 37,

02:43:28.400 the Peel Commission

02:43:28.880 comes out,

02:43:29.320 which is the first one

02:43:30.100 that says,

02:43:30.460 okay,

02:43:30.640 like the violence

02:43:31.300 and the disagreements

02:43:31.880 between these two people

02:43:32.320 have escalated so much

02:43:33.040 that we have to separate

02:43:33.680 these motherfuckers 1.00

02:43:34.320 because they can't

02:43:34.740 get along anymore.

02:43:36.060 You can go back

02:43:36.800 and you can cherry pick

02:43:37.520 whatever lines you want

02:43:38.820 saying that,

02:43:39.600 oh,

02:43:39.780 well,

02:43:39.920 Ben-Gurion said

02:43:40.400 that he was happy

02:43:40.940 to see the Jewish land

02:43:41.620 expand or happy to see

02:43:42.580 that they could expel

02:43:43.600 Arabs or whatever. 0.67

02:43:44.280 Prior to 1920,

02:43:45.360 a lot of Jews

02:43:46.220 spoke more favorably

02:43:46.880 about living together

02:43:47.440 with Arabs.

02:43:47.940 It really just depended

02:43:48.720 on what time period

02:43:49.860 you pick.

02:43:50.400 As the violence increases,

02:43:51.460 though,

02:43:51.600 both sides obviously

02:43:52.240 see each other

02:43:52.700 as increasingly hostile.

02:43:53.940 And the British government

02:43:54.480 finally agreed with that

02:43:55.320 in the late 30s.

02:43:56.880 After the Peel Commission

02:43:57.560 comes out,

02:43:59.140 basically from 36 to 1940,

02:44:01.380 there's a whole bunch

02:44:01.800 of Arab on Jew violence.

02:44:03.020 The Brits basically

02:44:03.660 destroy a lot of the,

02:44:05.300 what would become

02:44:05.900 the later Palestinian state.

02:44:07.800 A lot of the Arab elite,

02:44:09.280 a lot of the Arab wealthy people

02:44:10.920 basically flee Jerusalem

02:44:12.160 and flee the Levant.

02:44:13.600 Because the Brits

02:44:14.540 kind of fuck them over.

02:44:15.380 And then the Brits

02:44:15.760 clamp down on Jewish immigration 1.00

02:44:17.260 and the Brits say,

02:44:17.920 no more Jews. 1.00

02:44:18.440 You guys are fucking around

02:44:19.040 too much.

02:44:19.640 The Jews get mad. 1.00

02:44:20.380 They start doing terrorism

02:44:21.200 from up to around 44.

02:44:23.120 They're especially ass-pained

02:44:23.960 because of the Hitler shit happening 0.92

02:44:24.940 and they feel like

02:44:25.380 their people are now getting

02:44:26.180 basically genocided

02:44:27.320 and they have no place to go to

02:44:28.340 because the Brits

02:44:28.880 curbed all the immigration.

02:44:29.840 So they blame the Brits for it.

02:44:30.960 And then Britain leaves.

02:44:31.880 They say,

02:44:32.120 fuck this completely.

02:44:33.700 In 47,

02:44:34.400 you get your first big

02:44:35.480 UN resolution.

02:44:36.600 Okay,

02:44:36.760 the wars are done.

02:44:37.940 Israel is willing to agree.

02:44:39.240 The Palestinians say,

02:44:39.940 fuck no.

02:44:40.360 They start a huge war

02:44:41.340 against the Israelis. 0.76

02:44:43.320 It's kind of a hardship first,

02:44:44.700 but eventually Israel

02:44:45.440 makes a comeback.

02:44:46.080 They win by 48

02:44:46.900 when they do their

02:44:47.940 formal declaration

02:44:48.540 of independence

02:44:49.020 because the Palestinians

02:44:49.920 won't accept

02:44:50.380 any Jewish people there.

02:44:51.220 Then after they make

02:44:51.980 their independence declaration,

02:44:53.300 all of the Arab states

02:44:54.160 go to war with Israel 0.64

02:44:54.900 with the goal of

02:44:55.960 expelling every Jew 1.00

02:44:56.940 off the land.

02:44:57.620 They fail that war.

02:44:58.620 Although Egypt manages 1.00

02:45:00.260 to take the Gaza Strip.

02:45:02.020 Jordan manages to

02:45:03.020 occupy

02:45:03.980 and then annex

02:45:05.180 the West Bank

02:45:06.040 from 67.

02:45:08.760 Well,

02:45:09.160 you get the Suez Crisis,

02:45:10.280 I think,

02:45:10.560 what,

02:45:10.680 in like 56,

02:45:11.660 you know,

02:45:12.100 where Israel

02:45:12.520 tries to make good

02:45:13.300 with France and Britain.

02:45:14.020 We didn't talk about this,

02:45:14.720 but they kind of sort of,

02:45:15.680 you know,

02:45:16.260 push a little bit further

02:45:16.920 into the Sinai.

02:45:17.680 That's what made them

02:45:18.200 get the nuclear bomb.

02:45:20.060 Sure.

02:45:20.860 But I mean,

02:45:21.380 Nasser,

02:45:21.900 you know,

02:45:22.400 at the time,

02:45:23.220 there's this whole

02:45:23.880 pan-Arab sentiment

02:45:24.720 where Arabs 0.87

02:45:25.440 kind of see themselves

02:45:26.120 as trying to create

02:45:26.880 like a unified state again.

02:45:28.000 They long for a caliphate 0.99

02:45:29.020 that's not ruled

02:45:29.480 by disgusting Turks. 0.99

02:45:31.340 And Nasser

02:45:31.960 has like fancied himself

02:45:33.040 as like the leader

02:45:33.960 of the Arab world

02:45:34.660 and he feels like

02:45:35.360 he's going to come out

02:45:36.000 and be this like big dude

02:45:36.860 that's going to fuck around

02:45:37.520 with Israel

02:45:37.980 and he shuts down

02:45:38.740 the Straits of Tehran

02:45:39.600 and he says,

02:45:40.480 you know,

02:45:40.640 fuck you, 0.99

02:45:41.060 we're not going to let you

02:45:41.460 ship shit

02:45:41.860 and, you know,

02:45:42.200 suck my dick. 1.00

02:45:43.040 And eventually Israel 0.93

02:45:43.660 goes to war with them 0.91

02:45:44.960 with kind of the backing

02:45:45.640 of the French and the British.

02:45:47.240 I think it's Eisenhower.

02:45:48.320 The U.S. basically tells him

02:45:49.220 to fuck off eventually

02:45:49.940 and then they go home.

02:45:50.860 Nasser, you know,

02:45:51.460 feels like he's king shit.

02:45:52.420 He rules the world

02:45:53.140 and the whole Arab world

02:45:54.780 thinks he's so cool

02:45:55.480 because he won against the Israelis 0.88

02:45:56.720 and then he goes

02:45:57.420 and he fucks his whole life up 0.85

02:45:58.520 in Yemen

02:45:58.800 and, you know,

02:45:59.340 sacrifices fucking 80%

02:46:00.600 of his troops

02:46:01.020 and then at the same time

02:46:02.320 keeps talking shit to Israel.

02:46:03.740 Israel basically, 0.69

02:46:04.740 you know,

02:46:05.200 calls his bluff

02:46:06.020 despite the fact

02:46:07.400 that you had like

02:46:08.100 this unified,

02:46:08.940 you know,

02:46:09.460 Syrian, Jordanian

02:46:10.380 and Egyptian front

02:46:11.000 against Israel.

02:46:12.200 Nasser's talking a lot of shit.

02:46:13.360 He expels everybody

02:46:14.060 from the Sinai,

02:46:15.180 all the UN peacekeeping troops

02:46:16.120 that were there

02:46:16.460 from the Suez crisis

02:46:17.280 and then does the exact same thing

02:46:18.700 that caused the Suez crisis

02:46:19.700 to happen,

02:46:20.420 which is close the Straits of Tehran

02:46:21.640 and say,

02:46:21.980 fuck you, 0.99

02:46:22.420 try me.

02:46:23.060 And then Israel does that. 0.82

02:46:24.160 They bomb the shit

02:46:24.760 out of everything.

02:46:25.980 Jordan tries to countervade Israel. 0.90

02:46:27.300 They lose fucking miserably.

02:46:29.340 Syria, you know,

02:46:30.400 walks in a circle and dies

02:46:31.240 because who the fuck knows

02:46:31.840 what goes on up there

02:46:32.440 and then Israel expands

02:46:33.300 their territory

02:46:33.780 in a bunch of different places.

02:46:35.300 Israel does make peace

02:46:36.340 at this point.

02:46:37.820 Myron is correct to point out

02:46:38.840 that Israel doesn't have 0.99

02:46:39.580 an interest in making peace

02:46:40.540 with the Palestinians directly

02:46:41.720 because Israel doesn't see itself 0.90

02:46:43.020 as being able to make peace

02:46:43.720 with the entire Arab world.

02:46:44.980 Remember,

02:46:45.340 the Palestinian crisis

02:46:46.420 is like a newish phenomenon.

02:46:48.120 Nobody thought about

02:46:48.820 like a Palestinian state

02:46:49.960 or crisis at the time.

02:46:51.340 Even, you know,

02:46:52.140 Resolution 242 doesn't say

02:46:53.000 like the Palestinian crisis

02:46:54.500 or whatever.

02:46:54.840 It doesn't call these things

02:46:55.460 out in a specific term.

02:46:56.080 But it's the root cause

02:46:56.680 for everything is my point.

02:46:57.960 It's not the root cause

02:46:58.720 for everything.

02:46:59.100 That's absolutely not correct.

02:47:00.460 No, it's a rewriting of history

02:47:01.480 to make the Palestinians 1.00

02:47:02.060 seem more legitimate

02:47:02.600 than they actually are

02:47:03.300 because nobody was calling

02:47:04.500 for an independent

02:47:04.940 Palestinian state

02:47:05.640 when Jordan occupied 0.93

02:47:06.380 the West Bank.

02:47:06.880 This is your summary

02:47:08.360 so I shouldn't have interrupted.

02:47:09.380 I'm sorry.

02:47:09.880 Sure.

02:47:10.000 Yeah, that's fine.

02:47:10.480 Nobody was calling for it.

02:47:11.320 Nobody called it an occupation.

02:47:12.780 When Jordan took the West Bank, 0.97

02:47:13.980 they just annexed it

02:47:14.640 and made all of them citizens.

02:47:15.460 And then when Egypt 0.95

02:47:15.840 took the Gaza Strip,

02:47:16.880 they kind of annexed that

02:47:18.260 and they did make them citizens.

02:47:19.760 They left those people there

02:47:20.460 because they didn't want

02:47:20.800 to deal with it.

02:47:21.200 But after Israel wins 0.93

02:47:23.680 their war in 67,

02:47:24.960 they win in 73,

02:47:26.340 they formally make peace

02:47:28.100 with Egypt.

02:47:29.020 Merchem Begin decides

02:47:30.280 that it's impossible

02:47:31.000 to negotiate peace

02:47:31.880 with everybody.

02:47:33.280 Benjamin calls this capsule theory

02:47:34.520 that he engages basically

02:47:35.520 that if he can just isolate

02:47:36.500 the Arab states

02:47:36.980 and engage one-on-one,

02:47:38.040 especially with the U.S.,

02:47:39.200 who took like a huge interest

02:47:40.260 in backing this,

02:47:40.800 that they can make peace.

02:47:41.520 And so they do initially

02:47:42.380 with Egypt,

02:47:43.260 which is a huge deal

02:47:44.000 because Egypt was like

02:47:44.720 the big player

02:47:45.520 in the Middle East

02:47:46.080 kind of at the time.

02:47:47.160 And so, you know,

02:47:47.960 with Sadat's effort,

02:47:48.880 with Jimmy Carter's effort,

02:47:50.500 they make formal peace

02:47:51.160 with them.

02:47:51.400 They give back the Sinai. 0.90

02:47:52.720 And then after the fall

02:47:53.420 of the Soviet Union,

02:47:54.160 it becomes easier

02:47:54.860 to put Jordan

02:47:55.500 on a peace track

02:47:56.160 with Israel.

02:47:56.740 They do that.

02:47:57.500 And then for the most part,

02:47:58.260 Israel as a region

02:47:59.160 has kind of chilled out

02:47:59.840 with everybody

02:48:00.140 except for the Palestinian problem.

02:48:02.000 That problem continues

02:48:02.800 to get worse

02:48:03.400 because the Palestinians

02:48:04.420 who were initially,

02:48:05.800 you know,

02:48:06.480 earlier referred to as,

02:48:07.540 you know,

02:48:07.780 like the Fedein,

02:48:08.520 the fighters that would come

02:48:09.400 from these different Arab states,

02:48:11.120 they saw themselves

02:48:11.780 as having the backing

02:48:12.620 of the entire Arab world.

02:48:14.180 And that basically

02:48:14.720 completely vanished

02:48:15.760 within a few decades

02:48:16.620 to just being backed

02:48:17.700 by extremist Iranian proxies

02:48:19.700 who don't even give a fuck 0.97

02:48:20.860 about Palestinians.

02:48:21.480 They just see it

02:48:22.160 as a way to fight

02:48:22.740 against Saudi Arabia,

02:48:24.140 Israel, and the United States.

02:48:25.520 So now the Palestinians, 0.98

02:48:27.380 in the peace agreements

02:48:28.540 that Israel tried 0.67

02:48:29.140 to reach with the Palestinians,

02:48:30.180 they were an awkward force

02:48:31.500 or an awkward place

02:48:32.340 because the only representation

02:48:33.440 the Palestinians had 0.99

02:48:34.360 were essentially

02:48:35.120 terrorist freedom fighters.

02:48:36.080 Arafat, you know,

02:48:37.340 emerged victorious

02:48:38.720 in some conflict with Israel,

02:48:39.820 I think in 64.

02:48:41.100 I think 67 might have been

02:48:42.200 when the PLO

02:48:42.720 was formally formed.

02:48:44.680 But these were freedom fighters.

02:48:45.860 These were terrorists,

02:48:46.820 whatever you want

02:48:47.400 to fucking call them,

02:48:48.200 that fought against Israel.

02:48:49.080 Arafat made a name

02:48:49.760 for himself

02:48:50.200 as being a fucking 0.98

02:48:51.240 military general,

02:48:52.180 not as a diplomatic leader.

02:48:53.620 If you look at photos

02:48:54.320 of him standing next to,

02:48:55.720 it's Clinton and Rabin

02:48:56.760 signing Oslo One.

02:48:57.700 He's literally

02:48:58.140 in his military fatigue.

02:48:59.580 He's in his garb

02:49:00.140 because that's not

02:49:00.480 what he fancies himself.

02:49:01.640 Arafat was never the man

02:49:02.540 to make peace with Israel.

02:49:03.740 The Palestinians were never 1.00

02:49:04.620 able to choose a leader

02:49:05.620 that would have been

02:49:06.200 able to make peace.

02:49:07.120 There were some Israeli leaders

02:49:08.360 that tried to make,

02:49:09.460 you know, big strides

02:49:10.220 towards peace

02:49:10.740 or big concessions

02:49:11.540 and they often did so

02:49:12.200 at great political cost

02:49:13.340 or at the cost of their life.

02:49:14.520 Rabin died.

02:49:15.860 Ehud Barak lost,

02:49:16.940 you know, his election.

02:49:18.120 You know, we can point

02:49:18.740 to the fact that Netanyahu

02:49:19.820 was elected to,

02:49:21.660 and he said that he wanted

02:49:22.520 to, you know,

02:49:23.120 fuck over the Oslo courts,

02:49:24.060 whatever.

02:49:24.620 Netanyahu wasn't a fan of them.

02:49:25.920 Netanyahu was also elected

02:49:26.860 like a couple weeks after

02:49:27.980 two, I think it was in Jaffa,

02:49:29.800 two fucking buses

02:49:30.560 full of people

02:49:31.260 were fucking suicide

02:49:32.200 bombed by Palestinians. 0.98

02:49:33.760 I think 40-some people

02:49:34.760 died from this terrorist attack.

02:49:35.920 So yeah, Israel was not 0.96

02:49:36.800 too keen on working

02:49:37.660 with Palestinians.

02:49:38.280 And the Palestinians 0.88

02:49:38.700 weren't too keen

02:49:39.200 on working with Israelis.

02:49:40.540 Like nobody trusted

02:49:41.160 each other in this region.

02:49:42.560 Despite that,

02:49:43.600 Ehud Barak did come back

02:49:44.520 in 2000.

02:49:45.200 He tried to make a deal

02:49:46.080 at Camp David.

02:49:47.460 Arafat accepted nothing.

02:49:48.400 They walked away.

02:49:49.640 Clinton, in a last-ditch effort,

02:49:50.860 put out these six parameters.

02:49:51.800 Can you guys agree to it?

02:49:53.160 The Israeli administration

02:49:56.100 largely agreed.

02:49:57.860 There were some things

02:49:58.740 that they had questions on

02:49:59.460 because like some of the percentages

02:50:00.460 just mathematically

02:50:01.000 didn't work out.

02:50:02.000 Arafat didn't really agree

02:50:03.000 to anything.

02:50:03.540 He said, oh, maybe,

02:50:04.320 I don't know,

02:50:04.580 I'd have to consider

02:50:05.100 like these huge points

02:50:06.220 and then didn't agree to it.

02:50:06.960 They had a final meeting

02:50:07.540 at Tavah Summit.

02:50:08.880 Arafat didn't agree

02:50:09.500 to anything there

02:50:10.000 and he walked away again

02:50:10.880 despite the fact

02:50:11.400 that what was on the table

02:50:12.160 was like an amazing deal

02:50:13.620 that would have looked like

02:50:14.280 basically 67 borders

02:50:15.500 and some negotiation,

02:50:17.140 some final negotiation,

02:50:18.020 a holy relics,

02:50:18.660 but they never reached

02:50:19.240 an agreement there

02:50:19.680 because Arafat fucked off

02:50:21.200 hoping that maybe

02:50:21.760 the next prime minister

02:50:22.420 and the next he was president

02:50:23.100 would give him a better deal

02:50:23.860 and it didn't.

02:50:24.760 Spoiler alert,

02:50:25.260 Bush fucking hated everything

02:50:26.280 in the Middle East

02:50:26.820 and reset that completely.

02:50:29.360 And then after the second intifada,

02:50:30.700 there was basically no hope

02:50:31.620 of any kind of Israeli-Palestinian

02:50:34.540 negotiation.

02:50:35.780 Everything basically

02:50:36.600 was fucked after that. 0.89

02:50:37.980 I think the last large overture

02:50:39.080 that I'm familiar with

02:50:39.780 is Olmert in 2008

02:50:41.320 had a big negotiation

02:50:43.440 with Mahmoud Abbas

02:50:44.140 who would be the later leader

02:50:45.380 of the Palestinian Liberation Organization

02:50:47.840 and I think the head of the PA.

02:50:49.620 But Mahmoud Abbas

02:50:50.980 also walked away

02:50:52.120 from that deal with Olmert.

02:50:53.360 Olmert went to jail

02:50:54.020 and then two years later

02:50:54.880 Abbas comes out 0.99

02:50:55.520 with this story about,

02:50:56.420 well, it was just a napkin

02:50:57.200 and I didn't know

02:50:57.620 what would happen.

02:50:58.540 That was bullshit.

02:51:00.000 There was just no desire

02:51:01.360 on the Palestinian side

02:51:01.960 for peace

02:51:02.200 because they always feel

02:51:02.700 like if they keep fighting,

02:51:03.460 they can keep getting more

02:51:04.220 and that's my takeout.

02:51:06.640 Just before we move on

02:51:09.240 to October 7th,

02:51:09.900 I just want to ask both of you,

02:51:10.900 we've been doing it

02:51:11.920 for around 2 hours

02:51:12.540 and 40 minutes.

02:51:13.260 Is there any specific times

02:51:14.940 you want to finish by?

02:51:16.700 We can do this October 7th

02:51:17.880 with modern stuff.

02:51:18.600 Yeah, I'm cool with that.

02:51:20.080 I was going to take a quick piss.

02:51:21.280 I just want to hear

02:51:21.920 Destiny's summary.

02:51:23.760 Yeah, no, look,

02:51:24.560 I think the audience

02:51:25.840 can decide what they want,

02:51:26.860 whether they think

02:51:28.360 you made a strong argument

02:51:29.240 for the Arabs

02:51:29.900 being the obstacle to peace

02:51:31.220 or the Palestinians. 0.53

02:51:34.220 Versus, I think the Israelis 1.00

02:51:35.480 are the big obstacle to peace.

02:51:37.920 I guess,

02:51:38.800 do you want to go first

02:51:40.020 and give your take

02:51:40.920 on what your position

02:51:42.460 is on October 7th

02:51:43.280 or do you want me to do it?

02:51:45.360 I mean, my position

02:51:46.100 is pretty simple.

02:51:46.740 I think October 7th

02:51:47.560 is probably bad.

02:51:47.680 Let me piss real quick. 0.82

02:51:48.360 Hold on, hold on

02:51:48.720 so I can hear what you guys say.

02:51:49.580 I'm going to take a quick whiz

02:51:50.300 and then I'll get a thing

02:51:51.740 and then if anybody

02:51:52.500 got to take a piss break

02:51:53.400 real quick.

02:51:55.180 Yeah.

02:52:01.140 You having fun?

02:52:01.760 I popped onto Twitter

02:52:04.940 just now

02:52:05.540 and I saw

02:52:06.380 one of Myron's

02:52:07.780 fan Twitter accounts

02:52:09.340 saying

02:52:09.740 what was it called?

02:52:12.460 Myron takes on

02:52:13.480 Destiny and Jew 1.00

02:52:15.200 or something like that.

02:52:16.500 It's Jew host. 1.00

02:52:18.080 Is that how it goes?

02:52:20.400 That's how it goes.

02:52:22.080 Oh wow,

02:52:22.540 that's very,

02:52:23.380 that's good.

02:52:26.480 Is there any specific time?

02:52:27.880 I thought you were

02:52:28.740 recording something else

02:52:29.620 after this.

02:52:31.000 Did I say that?

02:52:31.600 I hope not.

02:52:32.360 I don't think so.

02:52:33.140 No, I thought you,

02:52:34.000 oh, because you,

02:52:34.800 I thought you put on

02:52:35.380 your YouTube title.

02:52:36.860 What was that now?

02:52:38.300 Oh, it's just other shit.

02:52:40.240 Oh, okay.

02:52:40.880 I thought it was a separate recording.

02:52:42.900 Oh, okay.

02:52:43.580 I thought it was a separate recording.

02:52:46.100 No.

02:52:46.300 No.

02:52:46.360 No.

02:52:46.420 No.

02:52:46.460 No.

02:52:46.480 No.

02:52:57.780 All right.

02:53:03.460 Okay.

02:53:04.940 So before we do October 7th,

02:53:06.580 I want to do a quick,

02:53:07.360 just to make my argument real fast,

02:53:10.080 because my argument again is

02:53:11.640 I think the Israelis 0.94

02:53:12.380 are the biggest obstacle

02:53:13.380 to peace in the Middle East.

02:53:15.740 I want to cover real quick

02:53:16.880 the war on terror.

02:53:18.100 So obviously,

02:53:18.920 as you guys know,

02:53:19.620 9-11 happened.

02:53:20.360 We're not going to agree

02:53:20.760 on any of this.

02:53:21.300 I don't think there's any,

02:53:22.500 because you're going to

02:53:22.960 a clean break memo

02:53:23.700 that Israel instigated everything 1.00

02:53:25.080 and got us to fight,

02:53:25.780 but I'm not going to agree

02:53:26.380 with any of that.

02:53:26.940 That's fine.

02:53:27.120 And you can totally disagree.

02:53:29.040 I don't expect you to agree.

02:53:30.020 I just want to give it out

02:53:30.880 to the audience real quick,

02:53:31.700 because again,

02:53:32.020 my argument is that simply

02:53:32.940 that the Israelis

02:53:33.520 are the bigger obstacle to peace,

02:53:34.740 and I have to deal with,

02:53:36.340 you know,

02:53:36.520 the neocon angle

02:53:37.320 and everything else like that.

02:53:38.860 So what I'll say is simply this.

02:53:41.000 Before 9-11 happened,

02:53:41.880 we know that there was

02:53:42.940 a clean break memo,

02:53:43.760 and we also know that

02:53:44.480 there was the, you know,

02:53:46.020 paper that came out

02:53:47.140 in September by PNAC as well.

02:53:49.380 The authors of these documents

02:53:50.600 overwhelmingly were Jewish neocons,

02:53:52.440 right?

02:53:52.660 Some of them even have

02:53:53.560 dual citizenship with Israel.

02:53:56.100 And these individuals,

02:53:57.120 like, for example,

02:53:57.940 with the clean break memo,

02:53:58.620 they wrote it for Benjamin Netanyahu

02:54:00.120 right after he came into office

02:54:01.220 in 1996.

02:54:02.240 In this document,

02:54:03.240 it basically identifies

02:54:04.760 several countries

02:54:05.580 in the Middle East,

02:54:06.360 namely, most importantly,

02:54:07.580 Iraq and removing Saddam Hussein.

02:54:09.460 Obviously,

02:54:09.860 the PNAC document

02:54:10.580 also talks about this as well.

02:54:12.240 A year later,

02:54:13.160 9-11 happens,

02:54:14.120 and it literally says in there,

02:54:15.320 oh, we need

02:54:15.680 a Pearl Harbor-like event.

02:54:16.920 So after 9-11 happens,

02:54:18.340 right,

02:54:18.520 we go ahead and identify

02:54:19.540 Osama bin Laden,

02:54:20.440 blah, blah, blah.

02:54:21.060 It is what it is.

02:54:21.900 We don't have to go

02:54:22.380 into conspiracy theories

02:54:22.980 of who's involved,

02:54:23.760 but what I'll do

02:54:24.380 is just talk more

02:54:24.920 about the aftermath.

02:54:26.100 And the aftermath,

02:54:27.480 what ended up happening

02:54:28.100 was they were able

02:54:28.780 to falsely link

02:54:30.100 Mohammed Atta,

02:54:31.380 the, you know,

02:54:32.440 lead hijacker,

02:54:33.740 to Anthrax

02:54:34.600 when he met with

02:54:35.360 an Iraqi intelligence official,

02:54:37.500 I think in Malaysia 0.91

02:54:38.140 or somewhere in Malaysia,

02:54:39.280 and they said that

02:54:39.820 there was an Anthrax exchange.

02:54:41.260 This was one of the chief things

02:54:42.540 that the intel community

02:54:43.880 and the neocons

02:54:44.720 and the Bush administration

02:54:45.740 in general

02:54:46.280 utilized

02:54:46.940 to justify a war in Iraq.

02:54:49.260 And then they went ahead

02:54:49.900 and said that there was

02:54:50.620 weapons of mass destruction.

02:54:51.520 Why am I mentioning Israel

02:54:52.920 in all this?

02:54:53.600 The reason why

02:54:54.100 is because the cabinet

02:54:55.360 and the people

02:54:56.240 that wrote a lot

02:54:56.720 of these policy papers

02:54:57.560 were overwhelmingly

02:54:58.900 Jewish neocons 0.86

02:55:00.340 from Paul Wolfowitz

02:55:01.420 over to Bill Kristol

02:55:04.020 to Robert Kagan

02:55:05.780 to, you know,

02:55:07.900 or there were

02:55:08.460 hardcore Zionists 0.98

02:55:09.320 like John Bolton,

02:55:10.280 et cetera,

02:55:10.940 Richard Perle,

02:55:12.060 Douglas Feith.

02:55:13.280 It was just complete.

02:55:14.040 Judith Miller

02:55:14.500 who lied about the,

02:55:15.400 about the,

02:55:16.200 about Iraq's

02:55:17.240 weapons of mass destruction.

02:55:18.820 Overwhelmingly Jewish neocons. 0.77

02:55:20.000 It is what it is.

02:55:20.540 And a lot of them

02:55:21.200 had an affinity to Israel.

02:55:22.600 Now,

02:55:22.940 with the whole

02:55:23.520 Mohammed Atta 0.95

02:55:24.000 and Anthrax angle,

02:55:24.920 the reason why

02:55:25.300 this is important

02:55:25.720 is because

02:55:26.120 Israeli intelligence

02:55:26.840 gave us this information.

02:55:28.360 And then Netanyahu

02:55:28.860 famously came in 2002

02:55:30.080 and said that

02:55:30.920 taking out Saddam

02:55:31.960 will have positive reverberations

02:55:33.880 all across the region.

02:55:34.700 Well, we know

02:55:35.040 what happened after that.

02:55:35.840 We went over there.

02:55:36.660 There were no weapons

02:55:37.180 of mass destruction.

02:55:38.140 A million people died.

02:55:39.260 Kids starving.

02:55:40.980 The Middle East

02:55:41.720 completely stabilized.

02:55:43.040 This led to a whole bunch

02:55:43.820 of problems in the region.

02:55:45.200 And this set up

02:55:45.880 the war on terror.

02:55:47.440 Now we can,

02:55:48.360 and I would argue

02:55:49.300 that in itself

02:55:49.960 because it was Israel

02:55:50.840 that precipitated

02:55:51.460 a lot of this

02:55:51.900 because we have

02:55:52.840 dual allegiance neocons

02:55:54.480 in America

02:55:55.220 that are running

02:55:55.680 foreign policy for us

02:55:57.060 and we have a bunch

02:55:57.960 of donors involved.

02:55:59.040 That led to the war on terror 0.94

02:56:00.100 which also is another reason

02:56:01.380 why the Israelis 1.00

02:56:01.980 are an obstacle to peace.

02:56:03.240 It created a lot of problems

02:56:03.940 in the Middle East.

02:56:04.940 And then if you want

02:56:05.600 to fast forward,

02:56:06.160 Destiny,

02:56:06.500 I know me and you

02:56:06.920 are not going to agree

02:56:07.460 on any of that

02:56:07.920 but I just want to give

02:56:08.520 the audience my perspective

02:56:09.320 on that with the war on terror.

02:56:10.780 But if you want to fast forward

02:56:11.680 to October 7,

02:56:12.200 we can do that too.

02:56:13.500 Sure.

02:56:14.040 I mean,

02:56:14.240 I would just say

02:56:14.640 in regards to this,

02:56:15.260 I mean,

02:56:15.440 Israel had a reason 1.00

02:56:16.160 to hate Saddam Hussein.

02:56:17.100 Like Saddam Hussein 0.85

02:56:17.560 was the,

02:56:18.060 Iraq was the first country 1.00

02:56:19.300 to actually shoot missiles

02:56:20.380 into Israel,

02:56:21.120 scout missiles

02:56:21.500 during the first Gulf War

02:56:22.820 in an attempt

02:56:24.060 to bring Israel into the war

02:56:25.160 because they knew

02:56:25.560 that that would break

02:56:26.060 the Arab coalition

02:56:26.680 that the United States

02:56:27.340 had formed

02:56:27.600 for the first Gulf War.

02:56:28.520 Also,

02:56:29.040 to say that

02:56:29.620 they were trying to argue

02:56:30.480 that taking out Saddam Hussein

02:56:31.640 would lead to

02:56:32.320 a more stable Middle East,

02:56:33.600 that's not a hard argument

02:56:34.360 to make

02:56:34.760 after,

02:56:35.520 you know,

02:56:36.140 the first failed invasion

02:56:37.020 into Kuwait,

02:56:37.720 after chemical warfare

02:56:38.660 against Kurdish people 1.00

02:56:39.640 in Kurdistan

02:56:40.220 and North Iraq.

02:56:41.080 Like,

02:56:41.220 yeah,

02:56:41.320 I think most people

02:56:41.920 probably would have agreed

02:56:42.480 with that.

02:56:43.020 If Israel was always 1.00

02:56:43.660 just going to fabricate

02:56:44.480 some reason

02:56:44.920 to bring the U.S. 0.81

02:56:45.500 into war

02:56:45.840 like some anthrax bullshit, 0.55

02:56:46.960 I don't know why

02:56:47.320 they would write a paper

02:56:48.040 on it first.

02:56:49.220 I feel like you just

02:56:49.800 probably wouldn't write

02:56:50.480 the paper

02:56:50.840 and you would just

02:56:51.260 fabricate the reason

02:56:52.040 later on.

02:56:53.740 Well,

02:56:54.080 that was the intention

02:56:54.720 the whole time

02:56:55.220 is my point

02:56:55.740 and they needed

02:56:56.300 a reason to do it.

02:56:57.160 So it was a plan

02:56:57.780 for years,

02:56:58.860 almost a decade

02:56:59.540 and then they were able

02:57:00.580 to...

02:57:00.760 Yeah,

02:57:01.280 why not just like

02:57:01.880 do the plan?

02:57:02.900 They don't need a paper

02:57:03.640 that just makes them

02:57:04.020 look guilty as hell.

02:57:05.120 You're right.

02:57:05.600 It was very stupid

02:57:06.200 and now we have the evidence.

02:57:07.300 You're correct.

02:57:07.900 They shouldn't have

02:57:08.220 wrote a paper.

02:57:08.720 They should have

02:57:09.000 just done it secretly

02:57:09.620 but yes,

02:57:10.720 my argument is that

02:57:11.720 the Iraq war

02:57:12.340 had nothing to do

02:57:13.180 with the September 11th

02:57:14.920 attack.

02:57:15.320 Saddam Hussein

02:57:15.840 and Osama Bin Laden

02:57:16.540 hate each other.

02:57:17.900 You know,

02:57:18.080 a lot of people

02:57:18.420 don't know this

02:57:18.860 that they actually

02:57:19.280 were going to fight

02:57:19.660 each other.

02:57:20.000 The whole reason

02:57:20.360 why Osama hates us

02:57:21.180 is because

02:57:21.940 the Saudi Arabia

02:57:22.840 government didn't

02:57:23.400 allow him to fight

02:57:24.140 Saddam Hussein

02:57:24.700 during the first

02:57:25.480 desert storm

02:57:26.060 situation

02:57:26.900 when he invaded Kuwait.

02:57:28.600 So,

02:57:29.180 you know,

02:57:30.040 it is what it is.

02:57:31.100 That's my position

02:57:31.880 on it.

02:57:32.160 I think Israel 0.98

02:57:32.600 dragged us into that war.

02:57:34.140 We did not benefit

02:57:34.740 whatsoever

02:57:35.140 from the Iraq war.

02:57:35.940 Only Israel did 1.00

02:57:36.700 and yeah.

02:57:38.340 Okay,

02:57:38.840 now with October 7th,

02:57:40.080 another reason

02:57:40.840 why I think

02:57:41.220 that the Israelis

02:57:42.280 are an obstacle

02:57:42.800 to peace

02:57:43.560 is with the

02:57:44.540 October 7th

02:57:45.280 conflict.

02:57:46.460 Well,

02:57:46.720 how do we get there?

02:57:47.560 Let's get there

02:57:48.020 first with Abraham Accords.

02:57:49.400 The Israelis 0.92

02:57:49.920 went ahead

02:57:51.260 and recognized

02:57:52.380 or well,

02:57:52.920 they got the UAE,

02:57:54.600 Bahrain,

02:57:55.160 Sudan,

02:57:56.000 and I think

02:57:56.440 one other country

02:57:57.460 to recognize them

02:57:58.540 with the Abraham Accords

02:57:59.220 and this is something

02:57:59.740 that Trump actually brokered

02:58:00.740 so I got to give,

02:58:01.480 you know,

02:58:02.020 you know,

02:58:02.540 I'm very critical

02:58:03.920 of Trump when need be.

02:58:04.680 I know you hate Trump

02:58:05.360 but here you go.

02:58:06.320 I know you'll enjoy this.

02:58:07.320 The Abraham Accords 0.98

02:58:07.960 were absolutely

02:58:08.880 an L 0.91

02:58:09.740 when it comes to

02:58:10.420 peace in the Middle East

02:58:11.000 because all this did

02:58:11.960 was stimulate

02:58:13.380 agitation

02:58:14.920 for the Palestinians,

02:58:16.140 especially Hamas 0.86

02:58:16.780 because with the Abraham Accords,

02:58:19.860 what that basically did was

02:58:20.740 it created the process

02:58:21.940 for which now

02:58:22.560 the Saudi Arabians

02:58:23.260 can join

02:58:23.620 and Hamas understood 0.59

02:58:24.840 that if the Saudi Arabians 0.92

02:58:26.120 join the Abraham Accords, 0.87

02:58:27.140 it's over

02:58:27.460 because Saudi Arabia

02:58:28.260 obviously has

02:58:28.720 a significant amount

02:58:29.580 of power and influence

02:58:30.260 in the Arab world.

02:58:31.820 Obviously,

02:58:32.440 from a religious perspective,

02:58:33.600 Medina,

02:58:33.800 and Mecca

02:58:34.440 are very religious cities

02:58:36.000 so if Saudi Arabia

02:58:37.060 had joined,

02:58:37.620 that would have been

02:58:38.440 a big problem

02:58:39.720 and then also

02:58:40.440 on top of the Abraham Accords, 0.76

02:58:42.580 we also had the issues

02:58:43.480 with recognizing Jerusalem

02:58:45.660 as the capital,

02:58:46.760 moving the embassy,

02:58:47.700 that was obviously symbolic

02:58:48.560 and problematic

02:58:49.180 for the Palestinians

02:58:49.900 and then lastly,

02:58:51.260 which a lot of people

02:58:51.760 don't talk about

02:58:52.340 but it is very important as well,

02:58:53.860 is bringing over

02:58:54.740 the heifers

02:58:55.460 and, you know,

02:58:56.700 trying to destroy

02:58:57.460 the Al-Aqsa Mosque

02:58:58.360 to create the temple

02:58:59.920 which there's a whole temple

02:59:00.880 organization

02:59:01.360 that's doing this.

02:59:02.040 Ben-Gavir and these other

02:59:03.100 crazy people

02:59:03.560 have been antagonizing them

02:59:04.540 going up to the temple mount

02:59:05.460 with their security

02:59:06.380 so this is what precipitated

02:59:08.460 and what led to

02:59:09.200 the October 7th attacks

02:59:10.460 and as a matter of fact,

02:59:11.560 the operation on October 7th

02:59:12.600 was called Al-Aqsa Flood

02:59:13.680 and the reason for that

02:59:14.760 was because

02:59:15.240 they were planning on

02:59:16.000 destroying the Al-Aqsa Mosque

02:59:16.980 to go ahead

02:59:17.440 and create this temple mount

02:59:18.200 on top of the Abraham Accords 0.91

02:59:19.620 and everything else

02:59:20.080 without solving

02:59:20.520 the Palestinian question

02:59:21.260 and this is precisely

02:59:22.480 what I mean when I say

02:59:23.240 if there is not an answer

02:59:24.980 to the Palestinian question,

02:59:25.940 there's never going to be peace

02:59:26.760 in the Middle East

02:59:27.640 and Israel keeps trying 0.87

02:59:29.080 to kick the can down the road

02:59:30.180 and not deal

02:59:30.640 with the Palestinian problem.

02:59:31.540 Now, October 7th happens.

02:59:33.400 Here's something

02:59:33.840 a lot of people don't know.

02:59:35.260 On October 10th,

02:59:36.340 the Israelis had a chance

02:59:37.640 to get all the hostages back.

02:59:39.880 Is this a report

02:59:40.340 in the Israeli Times?

02:59:41.740 Wait, before we go

02:59:42.540 to the October 7th

02:59:43.660 conspiracy theory.

02:59:44.320 So prior to this,

02:59:45.420 I would actually agree

02:59:46.380 with most of this.

02:59:47.100 I think that at this point,

02:59:48.500 past 2005,

02:59:49.320 I think Israel's appetite 1.00

02:59:50.140 for any kind of

02:59:51.020 peaceful arrangement

02:59:51.560 after seeing all the terrorist attacks

02:59:52.560 and everything else

02:59:52.960 from the Second Intifada,

02:59:53.840 I think Israel's basically 0.85

02:59:54.580 done at this point

02:59:55.360 thinking that Palestinians 0.99

02:59:56.560 want to live alongside Israelis

02:59:58.140 in any sort of

02:59:58.860 good faith manner.

02:59:59.700 So I think that

03:00:00.380 the Israeli side

03:00:01.380 gets pretty radicalized.

03:00:02.320 The Palestinian side

03:00:03.000 remains pretty fucked

03:00:04.320 and hateful of the Israelis.

03:00:05.960 The Israelis are pretty 1.00

03:00:06.640 hateful of the Palestinians.

03:00:07.520 However, the Palestinians 1.00

03:00:08.200 have now been basically

03:00:09.260 divorced from every 0.92

03:00:10.240 legitimate major

03:00:11.120 backer or country

03:00:11.980 on the planet.

03:00:12.780 The only people

03:00:13.460 that are legitimately

03:00:14.100 backing them

03:00:14.760 are really,

03:00:15.900 you've got Hamas 0.97

03:00:16.880 that comes up big

03:00:17.700 post-2005

03:00:19.200 as the governing body

03:00:20.120 in the Gaza Strip,

03:00:21.240 and then you've got Hezbollah 0.88

03:00:21.980 that's starting to exist

03:00:23.720 in greater force

03:00:26.100 in Lebanon

03:00:27.520 in 2006.

03:00:28.580 I think they kind of

03:00:29.060 trashed Israel 0.99

03:00:29.760 in an attempted little war

03:00:30.860 there

03:00:31.120 under the leadership

03:00:32.760 of Nasrallah.

03:00:33.380 And then you've got Iran 0.98

03:00:34.020 that's kind of like

03:00:34.560 funneling money over to them.

03:00:36.360 The Houthis 0.95

03:00:36.760 kind of sort of

03:00:37.380 take an interest

03:00:37.940 I think around 2017,

03:00:38.980 2018,

03:00:39.480 I think Iran starts 1.00

03:00:40.120 pumping a little bit

03:00:40.640 more money to them.

03:00:41.320 Houthis don't really 1.00

03:00:41.800 give a fuck

03:00:42.200 about what's going

03:00:42.680 on Gaza.

03:00:44.060 They'll just do a little bit

03:00:44.880 for Iranian money,

03:00:45.800 basically.

03:00:47.000 But yeah,

03:00:48.300 this is,

03:00:48.840 at this point,

03:00:49.620 nobody wants to deal

03:00:50.360 with a Palestinian problem.

03:00:51.380 I think Palestinians

03:00:51.960 don't have a genuine

03:00:52.860 solution in mind

03:00:53.560 for peace,

03:00:54.440 and Netanyahu

03:00:54.860 is totally fine

03:00:55.720 to keep kicking

03:00:56.720 the can down the road

03:00:57.400 and solidify

03:00:59.660 basically peace

03:01:00.260 with the rest

03:01:00.580 of the Arab world.

03:01:02.120 I largely agree

03:01:02.700 with that at this point,

03:01:03.780 but I mean,

03:01:04.120 this is where we're at,

03:01:05.020 where neither side is.

03:01:06.260 I mean,

03:01:06.780 I would argue

03:01:07.100 for the Palestinian side,

03:01:07.920 they have never

03:01:08.580 accepted any peace agreement.

03:01:09.700 Israel feels like 0.99

03:01:10.200 there's not going

03:01:10.560 to be any peace,

03:01:11.100 especially after all

03:01:11.660 the terrorism

03:01:12.080 in the Second Intifada.

03:01:13.040 And now,

03:01:13.340 yeah,

03:01:13.500 that's where we're at.

03:01:14.320 We're both sides

03:01:14.760 just trying to

03:01:15.040 infinitely fuck the other over, 0.93

03:01:16.020 and then we come

03:01:16.360 to October 7th,

03:01:17.200 sure.

03:01:17.700 Yeah,

03:01:17.900 well,

03:01:18.240 I mean,

03:01:18.620 there is a potential

03:01:21.040 for peace,

03:01:21.660 but Netanyahu

03:01:24.860 and sidestepping it,

03:01:26.020 which obviously

03:01:26.460 agitates the problem,

03:01:27.500 and he doesn't want

03:01:28.040 to exercise

03:01:28.360 any type of diplomacy

03:01:29.300 at all.

03:01:31.560 You know,

03:01:31.740 Netanyahu,

03:01:32.400 he's trying to...

03:01:33.400 The Palestinians 0.99

03:01:33.600 aren't even united

03:01:34.340 as a people

03:01:34.920 post 2003,

03:01:36.220 2004.

03:01:36.380 And he did that

03:01:37.300 on purpose.

03:01:38.280 He didn't do that

03:01:38.840 on his own,

03:01:39.340 no,

03:01:39.540 part of that was Hamas.

03:01:40.680 He funded Hamas? 0.55

03:01:42.960 No,

03:01:43.420 Netanyahu

03:01:44.060 has never personally

03:01:44.580 funded Hamas.

03:01:45.200 Qatar money

03:01:45.680 was making its way

03:01:46.360 in there

03:01:46.820 prior to October 7th.

03:01:48.540 But after,

03:01:49.060 yeah,

03:01:49.360 of course,

03:01:49.680 because either that

03:01:50.060 or allow the Gaza Strip

03:01:50.720 to collapse,

03:01:51.240 because the PA

03:01:52.000 didn't want money

03:01:52.560 going over to the Gaza Strip

03:01:53.420 because Hamas was

03:01:54.200 the governing body there

03:01:55.320 after they killed

03:01:56.080 all the Fatah people 0.99

03:01:56.700 and threw them up

03:01:57.500 buildings and kicked them out.

03:01:58.700 But yeah,

03:01:59.460 Hamas is the government 1.00

03:02:00.260 basically in the Gaza Strip

03:02:02.040 post 2005

03:02:02.780 because the people there

03:02:04.320 felt like they were

03:02:04.740 fighting against Israel

03:02:05.480 better than,

03:02:06.120 you know,

03:02:06.640 Mahmoud Abbas's

03:02:07.240 cucked,

03:02:07.800 you know,

03:02:08.520 Fatah

03:02:08.860 or whatever was existing.

03:02:10.700 I think it was Fatah

03:02:11.420 versus Hamas 0.94

03:02:12.400 in the Gaza Strip.

03:02:13.440 And so after Hamas 0.93

03:02:14.420 becomes the governing body there

03:02:15.460 and then the PA

03:02:16.360 and the PLO

03:02:16.900 remain like the governing

03:02:17.740 people in the West Bank,

03:02:18.900 well,

03:02:19.180 now you've got

03:02:19.520 divided Palestinians

03:02:20.440 and now it's just

03:02:21.060 infinite conflict

03:02:21.920 with the Gaza Strip,

03:02:22.680 which Netanyahu

03:02:23.780 and a conservative Israel

03:02:25.240 is happy to see

03:02:25.840 because now they've got

03:02:26.660 a reason to fight

03:02:27.200 against them forever

03:02:27.740 and they've got

03:02:28.180 a divided Palestinian people

03:02:29.100 but it's not helping

03:02:29.840 the Palestinian people at all.

03:02:30.900 Like Hamas is a huge

03:02:31.500 thorn in the side there

03:02:32.220 but they're okay

03:02:32.900 with being a thorn

03:02:33.380 in the side there

03:02:33.780 because they don't want

03:02:34.300 any final agreement anyway.

03:02:35.200 They want the destruction

03:02:35.920 of all the Jewish people

03:02:37.300 in Israel.

03:02:37.940 That's why they call

03:02:38.240 for global intifada.

03:02:39.100 That's why they shoot rockets

03:02:39.900 randomly at people

03:02:40.480 all the fucking time. 0.91

03:02:41.240 Well,

03:02:41.540 they have the right

03:02:42.320 to resist,

03:02:43.980 you know,

03:02:44.560 and under internet,

03:02:45.360 yes,

03:02:45.600 they absolutely do.

03:02:46.320 They don't have the right 0.92

03:02:47.020 to launch random rockets

03:02:48.360 into Israel.

03:02:49.000 They absolutely have

03:02:50.080 the right to resist.

03:02:51.000 I know that sounds

03:02:51.520 fucked up or whatever

03:02:52.320 but the reality is

03:02:53.320 It's not fucked up.

03:02:53.740 It's a fundamental

03:02:54.440 misunderstanding

03:02:54.900 of international law.

03:02:55.840 You're making sure

03:02:56.100 of Usad Bellum

03:02:57.180 versus Usad Bellum.

03:02:58.120 Like, yes,

03:02:58.420 you are allowed

03:02:58.880 to fight against

03:02:59.600 your occupiers

03:03:00.280 but to say

03:03:01.000 that they're being occupied

03:03:01.700 is a tenuous

03:03:04.040 it's probably not.

03:03:05.520 Number one,

03:03:05.820 but number two,

03:03:06.280 that doesn't give you

03:03:06.720 the right to take hostages.

03:03:07.860 That's a war crime. 0.90

03:03:08.440 It doesn't give you

03:03:09.000 the right to attack

03:03:09.560 civilian populations.

03:03:10.340 That's a war crime. 0.90

03:03:11.080 It doesn't give you

03:03:11.440 the right to launch

03:03:12.020 indiscriminate arms

03:03:13.020 against an opposing force

03:03:14.060 that could kill civilians.

03:03:15.460 That's also a war crime. 0.72

03:03:16.260 Like, none of the conduct

03:03:17.160 in war is reasonable 0.97

03:03:18.960 for a lot

03:03:19.540 by international law.

03:03:20.240 Here's the thing.

03:03:20.640 But nobody cares

03:03:21.080 about international law.

03:03:21.660 Yeah, well,

03:03:22.400 yeah, but like

03:03:23.660 the reality is

03:03:24.600 that they are occupied

03:03:25.420 by every means

03:03:26.100 of the measure.

03:03:26.560 They are absolutely occupied.

03:03:27.760 They're not.

03:03:28.180 The main means

03:03:28.680 of the measure

03:03:29.120 would be a police force

03:03:30.420 that displaces

03:03:30.860 the local police force.

03:03:31.700 That wasn't the case.

03:03:32.700 The second one

03:03:33.280 is like administrative power

03:03:34.400 over the area.

03:03:35.140 Hamas was the administrator. 0.99

03:03:37.140 And then the,

03:03:37.600 there's a third one,

03:03:39.380 but by every measure,

03:03:40.400 Hamas was the government. 0.97

03:03:42.440 By every measure of destiny,

03:03:43.820 they're occupied.

03:03:44.360 They don't control

03:03:44.900 their airspace.

03:03:45.460 They don't control

03:03:45.840 their water.

03:03:46.360 They don't control

03:03:46.860 what goes in

03:03:47.440 and what goes out.

03:03:48.100 They have no sovereignty.

03:03:49.000 That's called a blockade. 0.99

03:03:49.740 That's called a blockade. 0.99

03:03:50.080 You can argue

03:03:51.040 there's a blockade,

03:03:51.720 but they're not occupied.

03:03:52.660 No, they're absolutely occupied.

03:03:54.580 The West Bank and Gaza

03:03:56.560 have been deemed

03:03:57.180 by the international community

03:03:58.120 as being occupied.

03:03:59.060 They are 100% occupied,

03:04:00.740 which allows them

03:04:01.420 to have the right

03:04:01.960 to resist through,

03:04:03.460 it says here,

03:04:04.680 by almost any means.

03:04:07.160 No, nothing says that

03:04:08.100 in international law.

03:04:08.980 It does.

03:04:10.640 To include armed resistance

03:04:11.980 and armed struggle.

03:04:12.980 Yes, armed resistance,

03:04:13.680 but that's still,

03:04:14.220 you have to follow

03:04:14.820 all of the other rules of war.

03:04:16.160 It's not armed resistance,

03:04:16.820 it's killing random civilians.

03:04:17.600 And here's the other thing too,

03:04:18.620 if we're like,

03:04:19.740 the reality is

03:04:20.380 who commits more war crimes? 0.86

03:04:21.440 I mean,

03:04:21.660 if we're going to go ahead

03:04:22.280 and have this war crime thing,

03:04:23.200 like, oh, well,

03:04:23.600 you can't do this,

03:04:24.100 you can't do that.

03:04:24.720 The Israelis are committing 1.00

03:04:25.360 war crimes all the time. 0.58

03:04:26.400 They have,

03:04:27.020 you want to talk about hostages,

03:04:28.340 the Israelis have 10,000,

03:04:29.700 11,000 hostages,

03:04:30.600 a lot of them

03:04:30.920 without any type of charge

03:04:32.140 whatsoever.

03:04:33.300 That's why October 7th

03:04:34.220 happened in the first place.

03:04:35.400 So we have all this agitation

03:04:36.580 going on, right,

03:04:37.720 with Israel.

03:04:39.480 Now, oh,

03:04:39.940 and then also the other thing too,

03:04:41.100 and I want to talk about

03:04:41.700 the JCPOA too,

03:04:42.900 that was another thing

03:04:43.560 that the Israelis killed 0.95

03:04:44.420 that was another obstacle,

03:04:46.040 once again,

03:04:47.020 being an obstacle to peace

03:04:47.860 with the nuclear deal.

03:04:48.800 That's another example.

03:04:50.320 But with whole October 7th thing,

03:04:52.360 so we have all these things

03:04:53.200 that happened with October 7th.

03:04:54.220 That's fine.

03:04:55.060 And the other thing also

03:04:56.120 that's important

03:04:56.600 is that there was a stand-down order

03:04:57.620 and they could have got the hostages back

03:04:59.840 on October 10th,

03:05:01.000 but they chose not to do that

03:05:02.320 because...

03:05:02.760 I don't think there was a stand-down order

03:05:03.800 that's never been proven

03:05:04.480 and getting the hostages back,

03:05:05.480 saying that Hamas is willing 0.98

03:05:06.300 to give the hostages back

03:05:07.120 if you go away

03:05:08.020 is the most joke thing in the world.

03:05:09.360 You can't do a huge terrorism,

03:05:11.000 capture 200 people,

03:05:11.820 and then get the 200 people back

03:05:12.620 and end the war.

03:05:13.280 Nobody would ever agree

03:05:14.000 to that ever.

03:05:14.420 That's an insane demand.

03:05:15.340 That's fair.

03:05:15.980 That's fair.

03:05:16.460 And I knew you were going to say that,

03:05:17.480 but here's the difference, right?

03:05:18.740 So here's the thing.

03:05:20.220 The debate is

03:05:20.960 who is the bigger obstacle to peace?

03:05:22.740 Israel could have gotten 1.00

03:05:23.540 all their hostages back

03:05:24.440 on the 10th.

03:05:25.200 Now, am I saying that they...

03:05:27.080 and what would have happened

03:05:28.100 was for them not invading

03:05:29.200 the Gaza Strip?

03:05:30.360 Now, here's the thing.

03:05:31.200 Normally, I see what you're saying.

03:05:32.660 Hey, well, they conducted

03:05:33.580 a terrorist attack.

03:05:34.600 How dare, you know,

03:05:35.540 how dare they do this

03:05:36.220 and then Israel not respond?

03:05:37.240 That would make them look weak.

03:05:38.340 Where's the difference?

03:05:39.420 Israel has a fantastic

03:05:40.600 fucking intelligence service, okay?

03:05:42.560 The Mossad, Shin Bet,

03:05:44.540 Unit 8200, Amman.

03:05:45.980 These guys ran a pager

03:05:47.200 fucking operation for 10 years. 0.60

03:05:48.660 They did Operation Rising Line

03:05:49.740 where they had Mossad assets

03:05:50.700 in the back line in Iran.

03:05:52.840 They have the ability

03:05:53.900 to conduct sophisticated operations

03:05:55.920 where they can easily

03:05:56.920 dismantle Hamas. 0.51

03:05:57.720 And here's the other thing, too.

03:05:58.440 They did this against Hezbollah

03:05:59.620 and they did this against the IRGC.

03:06:01.460 Two militaries that are

03:06:02.240 superior to Hamas. 0.56

03:06:03.200 You're telling me that you

03:06:03.780 couldn't run special operations

03:06:04.860 or do some type of intel operation

03:06:06.360 where you have a bunch of

03:06:07.040 collaborators that got a strip

03:06:07.960 and taking them out?

03:06:09.060 I mean, they killed

03:06:09.540 Ishma Haneya into Iran, Iran.

03:06:10.960 So I don't want to hear

03:06:11.660 anything about like,

03:06:12.500 oh, well, you know,

03:06:13.720 they conduct their terrorist attack.

03:06:14.960 Well, here's the thing.

03:06:15.860 Who's the bigger obstacle to peace?

03:06:17.000 I would argue it's the Israelis 1.00

03:06:17.980 because how many people have died

03:06:18.960 because they wanted to go

03:06:19.740 into the Gaza Strip?

03:06:20.560 And they could get the Hadjus back 1.00

03:06:21.860 at any time

03:06:22.780 because this is what I was going

03:06:23.740 to answer your question before.

03:06:24.520 You asked me, hey,

03:06:25.240 why don't they release the Hadjus? 0.99

03:06:26.260 Here's your answer.

03:06:27.180 They will release the Hadjus. 1.00

03:06:28.080 Here's the problem.

03:06:29.100 Netanyahu does not want to

03:06:30.880 do a final ceasefire

03:06:32.900 because Hamas will give them 0.68

03:06:34.500 the Hadjus back,

03:06:35.220 but they want a permanent

03:06:36.780 ceasefire and withdrawal

03:06:38.760 of all troops.

03:06:39.460 Israel does not want to do that

03:06:40.380 because they want to occupy

03:06:41.400 the Strip.

03:06:41.900 It's about getting them

03:06:42.560 out of there from the first place.

03:06:44.000 So again...

03:06:44.440 Sure, but I mean,

03:06:44.800 like you acknowledge that

03:06:45.540 them keeping hostages,

03:06:46.760 that is a war crime, right? 0.79

03:06:48.740 Sure, but Israel's committing 0.99

03:06:49.940 war crimes all the time. 0.58

03:06:50.820 How many hostages does Israel have?

03:06:52.260 That's fine.

03:06:52.620 11,000.

03:06:53.320 Prisoners of war are not 0.99

03:06:54.240 necessarily the same as hostages

03:06:55.340 unless you're counting

03:06:55.800 every single person who's been...

03:06:57.020 They're there without charge.

03:06:57.960 They're being raped at destiny. 0.68

03:06:59.280 Like they're literally...

03:06:59.940 I don't...

03:07:00.680 They protest...

03:07:01.860 That's a whole other thing.

03:07:02.860 But the reality is...

03:07:03.720 That's a war crime. 0.90

03:07:04.240 ...is that like...

03:07:05.200 If you're raping prisoners,

03:07:06.420 that is a war crime, sure.

03:07:07.720 But the...

03:07:08.680 And they protest for it

03:07:09.920 so they can continue to do it.

03:07:11.500 Sure.

03:07:12.060 If Hamas were to release

03:07:12.980 the hostages, though,

03:07:14.200 the support for Israel

03:07:15.460 doing any kind of war,

03:07:16.300 I think,

03:07:16.620 in the Gaza Strip,

03:07:17.320 at least a while ago,

03:07:18.060 probably would have collapsed

03:07:19.320 internationally,

03:07:20.480 what little support they had.

03:07:21.360 And then domestically,

03:07:22.160 I think there probably

03:07:22.620 would have been

03:07:22.880 major upheaval as well.

03:07:24.120 If all the hostages were released,

03:07:25.300 I think Israel would have 1.00

03:07:25.800 a much harder time

03:07:26.560 justifying that war

03:07:27.340 to its citizens.

03:07:28.180 They would keep fighting, dude.

03:07:29.800 Like, because the reality is

03:07:30.820 is that they...

03:07:31.300 Well, they'll only fight

03:07:32.180 as long as they have

03:07:32.660 the domestic support for it.

03:07:34.080 But I think the domestic support

03:07:35.100 for that fighting

03:07:35.540 would collapse pretty fast

03:07:37.020 if like all the hostages

03:07:37.880 were released

03:07:38.360 and now you're just on

03:07:38.960 an infinite war in Gaza.

03:07:39.880 The United States

03:07:40.760 would continue to support them.

03:07:42.580 Even the UK

03:07:43.000 would continue to support them.

03:07:44.660 Yeah, Stephen,

03:07:45.280 I don't really think

03:07:45.860 the domestic support

03:07:47.320 will falter

03:07:48.180 if the hostages come back.

03:07:49.940 You've got to remember

03:07:50.740 that the people

03:07:51.420 who are supporting him,

03:07:52.660 Netanyahu's supporters,

03:07:53.900 are not on the far right,

03:07:56.040 but are the people

03:07:56.560 that want Hamas to be destroyed.

03:07:58.080 They want a new age.

03:07:59.540 Sure, I agree.

03:08:00.120 But you guys have

03:08:00.640 like a crazy coalition government

03:08:02.300 with like fucking 0.99

03:08:02.880 20 different parties

03:08:03.820 that are holding together

03:08:04.780 Netanyahu's majority, right?

03:08:06.320 I think that

03:08:06.800 if all of the hostages

03:08:09.200 are released,

03:08:10.280 there's absolutely

03:08:11.740 a decent chunk

03:08:12.740 of the Israeli population

03:08:13.720 that would want to see

03:08:14.500 war in Gaza

03:08:15.020 until everything is done.

03:08:15.700 I think it would be

03:08:16.640 a lot harder like Israel 1.00

03:08:17.480 because even today

03:08:18.100 they still keep saying

03:08:19.160 that, what is it,

03:08:19.680 20 or 40 hostages left?

03:08:20.740 They still keep citing

03:08:21.540 these hostages

03:08:22.240 as like a reason

03:08:23.060 and they have to give that

03:08:23.780 as like their moral front

03:08:24.600 I think internationally

03:08:25.540 and to their own people.

03:08:26.620 Sure.

03:08:26.920 I don't know,

03:08:27.760 but maybe today,

03:08:28.680 maybe they could,

03:08:29.060 but I know like six months ago

03:08:30.060 if Hamas would have 0.89

03:08:30.720 just released all the hostages,

03:08:31.880 I think Israel would have 1.00

03:08:32.380 been different.

03:08:33.260 Yeah, I think they would have

03:08:33.820 a really hard time going.

03:08:34.840 I don't know today.

03:08:35.500 I feel like the,

03:08:36.900 because they couldn't

03:08:37.300 bring up the hostage thing

03:08:38.020 ever anymore

03:08:38.540 and now they're just

03:08:39.060 on a war against Hamas

03:08:40.240 and however many people die

03:08:41.000 and they can't even

03:08:41.400 put the hostages

03:08:41.980 on the other side.

03:08:42.480 Well, here's the thing,

03:08:43.380 like they never cared

03:08:44.360 about the hostages.

03:08:45.660 That's my point

03:08:46.440 is that, again,

03:08:47.500 once again,

03:08:47.960 an obstacle to peace.

03:08:48.740 They could have got

03:08:49.540 the hostages back

03:08:50.140 on a 10th,

03:08:50.960 had them all back safe,

03:08:52.220 run a special operation.

03:08:53.680 I don't disagree with this,

03:08:54.620 but both sides

03:08:55.360 wanted the war to happen. 0.99

03:08:56.620 Hamas could have just 0.97

03:08:57.200 released the hostages

03:08:57.860 in the beginning

03:08:58.340 and then it would have been

03:08:59.040 really hard for Israel

03:09:00.220 to continue.

03:09:01.080 And Israel could have done 0.99

03:09:02.140 more to get the hostages,

03:09:03.240 but Israel's happy 0.54

03:09:04.000 for the hostages to be there

03:09:04.760 because they get to

03:09:05.160 fucking go disassemble

03:09:06.460 Hamas as much as they want. 0.95

03:09:07.500 No, no, no,

03:09:07.820 because if they gave

03:09:08.620 the hostages up,

03:09:09.240 that would have taken

03:09:09.740 the only leverage they have.

03:09:11.000 Here's the thing,

03:09:11.460 the Israelis...

03:09:12.120 No, they have no leverage.

03:09:13.060 No, you're wrong.

03:09:13.900 That's the most absurd belief.

03:09:15.520 You think they have leverage?

03:09:16.400 You think that Hamas

03:09:17.140 has leverage

03:09:17.700 over the Israeli government

03:09:18.680 because they have hostages?

03:09:19.540 No, no, no, no,

03:09:19.900 they don't.

03:09:20.440 I said it's the only

03:09:21.660 leverage they have.

03:09:22.700 They have no leverage.

03:09:23.240 It's not leverage.

03:09:23.920 If anything,

03:09:24.640 it's a counter leverage.

03:09:25.780 That's what's giving Israel 1.00

03:09:26.960 the cause for war 0.67

03:09:28.080 as much as they have.

03:09:29.280 You think Israel...

03:09:29.860 You just said it yourself

03:09:30.620 that they don't give a fuck

03:09:31.280 about the hostages.

03:09:31.720 I think that they're

03:09:32.560 a very distant second place.

03:09:33.920 They don't.

03:09:34.580 And they're proving that.

03:09:35.280 And they're proving that

03:09:36.160 right now with what's going on.

03:09:37.700 But Hamas is proving 0.88

03:09:38.520 that they wanted the fighting

03:09:39.320 the whole time as well.

03:09:40.100 They should have known

03:09:40.920 very early on

03:09:41.620 within the first few months,

03:09:42.440 we're fucked. 0.97

03:09:42.980 There's no possible way

03:09:43.740 we win this.

03:09:44.020 But they kept those hostages

03:09:44.720 the whole time

03:09:45.040 because they want

03:09:45.400 the conflict to continue.

03:09:46.220 Well, no, no, no.

03:09:46.940 I told you.

03:09:47.560 October 10th,

03:09:48.180 they were willing

03:09:48.640 to give it back.

03:09:49.280 The Israelis said no.

03:09:51.260 That's a big deal.

03:09:52.380 Yeah, but the Israelis 1.00

03:09:53.540 were never going to...

03:09:54.260 I mean, you can't have somebody

03:09:55.080 do big terrorism on you

03:09:56.400 and then agree that they can be

03:09:57.480 a permanent government

03:09:58.140 and then you just go back to normal.

03:09:59.700 There was no way

03:10:00.240 that was ever going to be accepted,

03:10:01.240 obviously.

03:10:01.940 Well, yeah,

03:10:02.520 but here's the thing.

03:10:03.360 They have the capability

03:10:04.320 of destroying them

03:10:04.960 from the inside out.

03:10:05.620 We've seen them do it

03:10:06.160 with Hezbollah.

03:10:06.660 They've seen them do it

03:10:07.160 with IRGC.

03:10:08.000 We've seen them do it

03:10:08.720 with the Houthis.

03:10:10.080 What?

03:10:10.560 Dude, did you not see

03:10:11.280 the Patriot attack?

03:10:11.900 You know they had bombs

03:10:12.600 in those Patriots for 10 years?

03:10:14.320 Yeah, but that's a lot different

03:10:15.540 than disassembled...

03:10:16.960 First of all, no.

03:10:17.660 I don't think they had bombs

03:10:18.700 on the Patriots.

03:10:18.900 It was in for 10 years.

03:10:20.040 New York Times reported.

03:10:20.820 You can look it up.

03:10:21.220 10 years.

03:10:21.840 10 years.

03:10:22.580 Sure.

03:10:23.100 Okay.

03:10:23.560 Number two,

03:10:25.000 I think taking apart

03:10:26.020 the entirety of Hamas, 0.88

03:10:27.080 which is also the government

03:10:28.160 of Gaza,

03:10:29.520 leads to a lot more problems

03:10:30.740 than attacking,

03:10:31.740 you know,

03:10:32.160 the military,

03:10:33.360 you know,

03:10:34.340 part or segment

03:10:35.440 or thing of like Hezbollah,

03:10:37.480 right?

03:10:37.640 Like I think that

03:10:38.140 if Israel would have done 0.99

03:10:39.500 a Patriot attack

03:10:40.240 on Hamas

03:10:40.960 to kill the government figures,

03:10:42.020 the policing,

03:10:42.440 the military,

03:10:42.880 everything else,

03:10:43.700 like the whole Gaza Strip

03:10:44.660 would fucking collapse

03:10:45.540 and then what do they do

03:10:46.260 after that?

03:10:47.500 Well, they could do

03:10:48.860 what they're trying to do now,

03:10:49.740 which is basically...

03:10:50.600 The point is...

03:10:51.860 Here's the bottom line.

03:10:53.160 What do they do?

03:10:53.600 What do they do

03:10:54.020 after Gaza collapses?

03:10:55.700 If they were to do

03:10:56.420 the same type of huge attack

03:10:57.460 and destroy all of Hamas, 0.93

03:10:58.480 the legitimate government

03:10:59.200 of the Gaza Strip,

03:10:59.860 what is this supposed to do

03:11:00.520 after that?

03:11:01.680 They can get another government

03:11:03.040 in there

03:11:03.400 or do what they always want to do,

03:11:04.720 which is ethnically cleanse.

03:11:05.480 Get another government how?

03:11:06.160 They want ethnically cleanse anyway. 0.97

03:11:08.540 Here's the thing.

03:11:09.620 Again,

03:11:10.000 my argument is simply that

03:11:11.100 they are the obstacle to peace

03:11:13.260 and they could have had peace,

03:11:15.280 but they don't want that peace.

03:11:16.340 They want to destroy

03:11:16.960 the Gaza Strip,

03:11:17.640 get them out of there,

03:11:18.580 and on top of that,

03:11:19.480 start wars with everybody else.

03:11:20.860 They literally started a war

03:11:21.700 with Hezbollah.

03:11:22.540 They went down,

03:11:23.500 they bombed the Houthis.

03:11:24.700 Hezbollah's been at war with Israel.

03:11:26.040 It's not like they just

03:11:26.480 randomly started that.

03:11:27.600 What do you mean?

03:11:27.860 These guys have been fighting forever.

03:11:28.820 Hezbollah's been shooting rockets

03:11:29.920 after October 7th, right?

03:11:30.800 Yeah, but they invaded.

03:11:32.200 They invaded.

03:11:32.860 They did the Patriot attack. 0.60

03:11:33.980 They invaded southern Lebanon. 0.93

03:11:35.400 They said they were going to make it

03:11:36.440 all the way into Beirut.

03:11:37.200 They didn't do that.

03:11:37.840 Then they went ahead

03:11:38.460 and obviously conducted that attack,

03:11:41.080 and then that set up the stage

03:11:43.380 for Syria to be dethroned 0.81

03:11:46.700 and destabilized,

03:11:48.400 and then obviously they did

03:11:49.300 Operation Rising Lion

03:11:50.820 in the middle of peace negotiations.

03:11:52.820 Like, this is a rogue state, dude.

03:11:53.980 Like, they're doing whatever they want,

03:11:54.900 and then they just bombed Qatar last week

03:11:56.280 or two weeks ago.

03:11:57.480 Like, they are absolutely

03:11:58.860 the biggest obstacle to peace

03:12:00.100 in the Middle East.

03:12:00.960 Israel is the main antagonizer 1.00

03:12:02.400 of almost every modern conflict.

03:12:04.500 Why do you think that most of the people

03:12:05.760 in the Middle East,

03:12:06.900 say for say,

03:12:07.400 like Syria and Iran

03:12:08.720 and maybe Iraq,

03:12:10.060 generally support Israel?

03:12:12.100 Like Egypt, 0.99

03:12:12.820 all the Gulf states?

03:12:13.640 Because they're cucked

03:12:15.520 by the United States.

03:12:16.800 That's why.

03:12:18.420 Do you think that if Saudi Arabia,

03:12:19.940 the rest of the Gulf states

03:12:21.120 in Egypt could choose,

03:12:23.040 who do we want to lead

03:12:24.120 the Middle East going forward?

03:12:25.880 The Ayatollah

03:12:26.820 or the Knesset

03:12:27.920 or, you know,

03:12:28.540 or Jerusalem

03:12:28.960 or Israel?

03:12:29.980 Who would they choose?

03:12:30.620 Would they choose Iran 1.00

03:12:31.300 or would they choose Israel?

03:12:33.660 Well, preferably,

03:12:34.580 they'd want Saudi Arabia to do it.

03:12:36.700 Saudi Arabia is like, 1.00

03:12:37.520 yeah.

03:12:38.260 Let's look at Saudi Arabia.

03:12:39.180 Who would Saudi Arabia 0.97

03:12:39.780 rather be partners with,

03:12:40.660 Iran or Israel? 0.79

03:12:43.800 Israel.

03:12:44.320 Everybody would choose Israel. 0.98

03:12:45.300 It's a country

03:12:45.720 that's fought its way to,

03:12:47.160 yeah.

03:12:47.600 No, because here's the thing

03:12:48.820 you got to remember.

03:12:49.920 Yes, maybe the politicians

03:12:51.060 might say,

03:12:51.620 you know what?

03:12:52.040 Yeah, politically it'd be easier

03:12:53.340 for us to deal with Israel. 0.67

03:12:54.560 But the reality is

03:12:55.580 the people of the land

03:12:58.200 would have a serious problem

03:12:59.100 with that.

03:12:59.440 This is why Saudi Arabia 1.00

03:13:00.220 is so scared

03:13:00.880 to recognize Israel

03:13:03.660 and a lot of these Arab countries

03:13:04.780 are scared

03:13:05.140 because they look at it like,

03:13:06.060 yo, that's like

03:13:06.820 we have our Palestinian brothers

03:13:07.880 over there being killed

03:13:08.560 or whatever.

03:13:08.920 The Muslim world

03:13:09.380 would have a problem with that.

03:13:10.660 So, what I think is,

03:13:12.000 and here's the other thing too,

03:13:12.700 a lot of people don't know this.

03:13:14.380 Iran and Saudi Arabia

03:13:15.740 are exercising diplomacy now.

03:13:17.780 They started recognizing

03:13:18.360 each other in 2023.

03:13:20.000 So, they've done,

03:13:21.620 they've done.

03:13:22.040 Yeah, they might be

03:13:22.660 on the path to that

03:13:23.400 but they have a highly contentious

03:13:24.740 history with each other

03:13:25.880 where Iran has been

03:13:26.760 like directly attacking now

03:13:27.920 or not now

03:13:28.680 but I think

03:13:29.000 Trump's first presidency.

03:13:30.640 Yeah, they were attacking

03:13:31.460 Saudi Arabian refineries

03:13:32.400 with fucking drone attacks

03:13:33.120 for the first time ever

03:13:33.740 I think in 2019.

03:13:35.020 Yeah, yeah, but

03:13:35.500 yes, you're 100% right.

03:13:37.760 So, they might be working

03:13:38.480 their way towards

03:13:39.100 like peace now.

03:13:40.080 No, they've already

03:13:41.200 got peace going.

03:13:41.840 So, since 2022 or 2023

03:13:43.220 they've been formalizing

03:13:44.460 negotiations

03:13:45.140 and they recognize each other.

03:13:46.440 Literally, their militaries

03:13:47.400 do flight simulations together.

03:13:49.080 Like, there's peace

03:13:50.720 between the two now.

03:13:51.580 I'm telling you,

03:13:52.200 Israel is the biggest problem 1.00

03:13:53.640 in the Middle East

03:13:54.120 and it is the main antagonizer

03:13:55.320 for all the wars

03:13:56.480 in the Middle East

03:13:56.920 because before Israel's creation

03:13:59.480 we didn't really have a beef

03:14:00.700 in the Middle East

03:14:01.160 like that, dude.

03:14:01.700 Not only that,

03:14:06.200 here's another one.

03:14:06.760 Hold on, the United States

03:14:07.420 wasn't even like enough

03:14:08.320 of a foreign power 0.81

03:14:09.980 to do anything

03:14:10.580 in the Middle East.

03:14:11.080 What do you mean?

03:14:11.660 I would argue

03:14:12.200 we were at the pinnacle

03:14:12.820 of power after World War II

03:14:13.980 and we didn't have a beef

03:14:15.660 with the Middle East.

03:14:16.620 Israel didn't exist 1.00

03:14:17.440 until World War II.

03:14:18.540 Precisely.

03:14:18.920 And they're the ones

03:14:19.360 that started the problems.

03:14:20.420 No, no, but the United States

03:14:21.360 had no, I don't think

03:14:22.020 the United States cared

03:14:22.720 or had anything to do

03:14:23.640 with conflict

03:14:24.080 really with the rest

03:14:24.780 of the world.

03:14:26.180 Even World War I

03:14:27.200 we were kind of involved

03:14:27.920 but prior to that

03:14:28.460 we were doing our own thing.

03:14:29.180 I mean, we're involved

03:14:29.780 in World War II

03:14:30.480 but Israel has extended

03:14:32.200 the war

03:14:33.120 because if you look

03:14:34.340 at a lot of the modern wars

03:14:35.580 we have now

03:14:36.020 it's been for the benefit

03:14:36.760 of Israel

03:14:37.140 especially this war on terror.

03:14:38.460 It's a whole bunch of bullshit

03:14:39.180 and here's the other thing too

03:14:39.820 I want to say

03:14:40.260 with Iran, right?

03:14:41.560 They always say

03:14:42.040 Iran's the boogeyman 1.00

03:14:42.920 and all these other problems, right?

03:14:44.240 The only reason

03:14:45.320 Iran is fighting so hard

03:14:46.500 to get a nuclear bomb now

03:14:47.480 especially

03:14:47.840 is because

03:14:48.800 we pushed them to do that

03:14:50.140 because of Israel's 0.67

03:14:51.200 reckless foreign policy

03:14:52.460 where they're bombing Iran 0.71

03:14:53.540 they're attacking Iran 1.00

03:14:54.300 all the time

03:14:54.760 we pulled out the JCPOA

03:14:56.200 why do we pull out

03:14:56.960 the JCPOA?

03:14:57.940 Because Mike Pompeo

03:14:58.800 I'm implying that

03:14:59.360 there was no conflict

03:15:00.240 in the Middle East

03:15:00.780 like all the conflict

03:15:03.160 that happened in Yemen

03:15:03.900 with Egypt

03:15:05.160 in like the 60s

03:15:08.120 had nothing to do

03:15:08.980 with Israel

03:15:09.420 the Iraq-Iran War

03:15:10.500 didn't have anything

03:15:11.660 to do with Israel

03:15:12.240 the Afghanistan Civil War

03:15:13.920 only had anything

03:15:14.480 to do with Israel

03:15:15.140 Turkey

03:15:16.580 and all of their

03:15:17.400 revolution

03:15:18.100 to create themselves

03:15:18.880 as their own state

03:15:19.520 in the late 1910s

03:15:22.180 or whatever

03:15:22.380 had nothing to do

03:15:23.160 with Israel

03:15:23.540 all of the stuff

03:15:25.280 that happens across

03:15:26.680 northern Africa

03:15:27.420 doesn't have anything

03:15:28.780 to do with Israel

03:15:29.140 all these places

03:15:29.840 were violent

03:15:30.960 in conflict places

03:15:31.740 especially after the

03:15:32.380 collapse of the Ottoman Empire

03:15:33.100 we have an interventionist

03:15:34.320 foreign policy

03:15:34.940 because of Israel

03:15:35.640 and we have destabilized

03:15:37.040 assisted or done coups

03:15:38.280 in so many different places

03:15:39.280 all across the Middle East

03:15:40.120 because of Israel

03:15:40.800 did Israel make us go to

03:15:41.860 South America

03:15:42.580 and coup all the countries

03:15:43.780 that were enrolled

03:15:44.120 in South America

03:15:44.740 as well?

03:15:45.120 I'm talking about

03:15:45.840 the Middle East

03:15:46.260 like for example

03:15:46.840 let's talk about Iran

03:15:47.820 wait wait wait

03:15:48.520 you can't just say

03:15:49.420 they made us do it

03:15:50.340 in the Middle East

03:15:50.800 and that's the only

03:15:51.180 reason we did it

03:15:51.680 but we also did it

03:15:52.600 in Taiwan

03:15:53.840 or not Taiwan

03:15:54.520 I'm sorry

03:15:54.740 we did it in Korea

03:15:55.620 we did it in Vietnam

03:15:56.420 we did it in how many

03:15:57.320 countries in South America

03:15:58.840 and Cuba

03:15:59.300 it seems like we kind of

03:16:00.660 did that everywhere

03:16:01.100 in the Cold War

03:16:01.500 everybody was doing that

03:16:02.100 everywhere in the Cold War

03:16:02.700 the US

03:16:03.060 sure but remember

03:16:04.580 the debate is

03:16:05.420 who is the bigger

03:16:05.960 obstacle to peace

03:16:06.800 I'm saying that Israel 0.99

03:16:08.200 is a bigger obstacle

03:16:08.940 to peace

03:16:09.420 than Palestine 0.96

03:16:11.440 or any of these

03:16:12.040 Arab countries

03:16:12.580 because Israel's

03:16:13.980 foreign policy

03:16:14.660 literally their motto

03:16:16.400 is rise up

03:16:17.020 and kill them first 0.96

03:16:17.760 and then don't forget

03:16:18.840 with Iran

03:16:19.220 so that's not Israel's

03:16:20.400 I don't even know

03:16:21.160 what that means

03:16:21.720 that is one of their

03:16:23.460 mottos

03:16:23.860 rise up and kill them first

03:16:25.140 okay

03:16:26.280 I'm not sure

03:16:27.320 where that comes from

03:16:27.700 or what that means

03:16:28.020 but for Iran

03:16:28.880 like Iran 1.00

03:16:30.480 has also been fighting

03:16:31.900 with and killing 0.62

03:16:32.320 troops in the Middle East

03:16:33.020 as well

03:16:33.300 like post

03:16:33.760 no

03:16:34.000 no

03:16:34.460 okay

03:16:35.340 Operation Ajax

03:16:36.540 what did we do

03:16:37.500 we got rid of Mogadessu

03:16:38.880 right

03:16:39.200 their electedly

03:16:40.060 democratically elected leader

03:16:41.500 what does that have to do

03:16:42.820 with Israel

03:16:44.320 Israel was involved 0.84

03:16:45.500 with us

03:16:46.040 the Brits

03:16:46.740 no

03:16:47.680 no

03:16:48.300 that's

03:16:48.580 you're dead wrong

03:16:49.120 we did that on behalf

03:16:49.880 of the British

03:16:50.280 because the Brits

03:16:50.900 wanted their oil refineries

03:16:52.100 and because he was gonna

03:16:52.720 look it up

03:16:53.120 I have

03:16:53.460 Operation Ajax

03:16:54.360 we're involved

03:16:55.300 yes

03:16:56.340 that was because

03:16:57.100 Iran was going to 1.00

03:16:57.860 nationalize all of their

03:16:59.300 oil refineries

03:17:00.180 and Britain didn't want to

03:17:00.800 lose their investment there

03:17:01.700 of course

03:17:02.120 and the Israelis were involved

03:17:03.800 in helping us with that

03:17:04.680 I don't know how

03:17:05.160 they might have been

03:17:05.660 involved in helping

03:17:06.280 Israel wanted to help

03:17:07.080 everybody in the West

03:17:07.700 yeah but we did it

03:17:08.240 because of Britain

03:17:08.860 if Israel didn't exist 0.93

03:17:10.040 we would have still

03:17:10.500 done that same thing

03:17:11.320 well here's the thing

03:17:11.900 yes we did it to help Britain

03:17:12.880 but at the same time

03:17:13.580 we also

03:17:13.960 what was one of the first

03:17:15.060 things that Iran did 0.99

03:17:15.660 when the Shah came in 0.99

03:17:16.460 after him getting

03:17:17.260 thrown out

03:17:19.400 or once the Shah

03:17:20.260 came into power

03:17:20.700 he recognized Israel

03:17:21.600 I think he was the first

03:17:22.360 country in the Middle East

03:17:22.980 to recognize Israel

03:17:23.760 what is that

03:17:25.960 how does that prove any point

03:17:27.800 what I'm trying to say here

03:17:29.100 is that Israel has either

03:17:30.300 been directly involved in

03:17:31.480 or one of the main

03:17:32.720 precipitators of us

03:17:33.660 creating this

03:17:34.220 interventionist foreign policy

03:17:35.500 all across the Middle East

03:17:36.500 are you saying that Israel

03:17:37.760 had like some interest

03:17:38.700 that that was a great

03:17:39.200 boon to Israel 0.52

03:17:40.000 that Iran 0.91

03:17:40.500 100%

03:17:41.220 100%

03:17:42.380 absolutely

03:17:42.920 they were the first

03:17:43.500 country in the Middle East

03:17:44.200 to recognize them

03:17:44.800 a big one too

03:17:45.320 that has a bunch of energy

03:17:46.120 that's huge

03:17:46.980 Iran was like barely 0.99

03:17:47.340 even considered

03:17:47.980 the Middle East

03:17:48.620 at that point

03:17:49.160 this was like

03:17:49.600 we're like a non-player

03:17:50.380 in World War II

03:17:51.440 what do you mean

03:17:51.740 what was Iran doing

03:17:52.780 in the 40s and 50s

03:17:54.980 literally nothing

03:17:56.040 people are trekking

03:17:56.940 through here

03:17:57.440 they had a lot of oil

03:17:58.740 enough where we had

03:17:59.760 to run a coup

03:18:00.280 they were a player

03:18:01.400 they actually

03:18:01.820 yeah but that was not

03:18:02.880 that had nothing to do

03:18:03.620 with Israel

03:18:04.120 that wasn't helping Israel 0.70

03:18:04.840 Israel's main conflict

03:18:05.980 at that point

03:18:06.440 if you do

03:18:06.860 history of Israel

03:18:07.720 you know

03:18:08.580 you don't hear anything

03:18:09.420 about Iran

03:18:09.840 Iran is not involved 0.99

03:18:10.420 in like fucking 0.99

03:18:10.780 any of these conflicts

03:18:11.480 are helping much at all

03:18:12.320 until you get to like 2000

03:18:13.560 okay

03:18:15.040 Israel's primary 0.95

03:18:17.560 arch nemesis

03:18:18.380 the entire time

03:18:19.120 has always been Iran 1.00

03:18:20.080 once they got rid of

03:18:20.860 Saddam 0.94

03:18:21.340 they've been fighting

03:18:22.960 like hell

03:18:23.440 to get rid of Iran 1.00

03:18:24.220 that's why they've been

03:18:25.200 trying to get us

03:18:25.740 to bomb them

03:18:26.180 this is post 2000s

03:18:28.120 you just said that

03:18:28.800 Iran recognizing Israel

03:18:29.880 was some great help

03:18:30.500 to Israel

03:18:30.940 Israel's main enemies 1.00

03:18:31.660 were Egypt and Syria

03:18:32.880 well that's after

03:18:33.840 that's after

03:18:35.060 we destabilized Iran 0.99

03:18:36.400 with Operation Ajax

03:18:37.880 because that was a benefit

03:18:39.020 to the Brits

03:18:39.700 and to the Israelis

03:18:40.500 obviously it benefited

03:18:42.140 multiple people

03:18:42.880 but again

03:18:43.620 like you know

03:18:44.580 for us to sit here

03:18:45.160 and not

03:18:45.380 Israel wasn't hurt 0.91

03:18:46.720 by Iran

03:18:47.180 it didn't help them

03:18:47.720 at all

03:18:47.980 it did

03:18:48.420 no it definitely helped them

03:18:49.680 it was one of the first

03:18:50.240 countries in the region

03:18:50.900 to recognize them

03:18:51.500 it was the first one

03:18:52.000 to actually

03:18:52.300 that didn't help Israel 0.53

03:18:52.860 and what did that help with

03:18:54.320 it didn't help them

03:18:54.900 in the Suez crisis

03:18:55.840 it didn't help them

03:18:56.440 in 67 with the six day war

03:18:57.820 it didn't help them

03:18:58.260 in 73 with Yom Kippur

03:18:59.340 no it definitely

03:19:01.020 it definitely did help them

03:19:01.980 to have a country

03:19:02.560 in the region

03:19:03.060 how did it help them

03:19:04.680 well for one

03:19:05.300 since the Brits

03:19:06.980 control their oil

03:19:07.760 the Israelis

03:19:09.100 were able to benefit

03:19:09.660 from that

03:19:10.140 because that was

03:19:11.600 the big reason

03:19:12.000 why they even conducted

03:19:12.960 Operation Ajax

03:19:13.660 because Mogadish

03:19:14.120 wanted to go ahead

03:19:14.940 and actually

03:19:15.400 nationalize the oil

03:19:16.520 and the Brits

03:19:16.840 were like hell no

03:19:17.460 we want to make

03:19:17.980 a bunch of money

03:19:18.460 the Israelis

03:19:19.200 benefited from that

03:19:20.100 significantly

03:19:20.940 right

03:19:21.820 for how

03:19:22.540 from a cash transfer

03:19:23.540 or from

03:19:23.980 no no

03:19:24.340 because

03:19:24.660 what ended up happening

03:19:26.440 was Iran

03:19:26.940 became a vessel state

03:19:27.840 for the west

03:19:28.340 and then Israel

03:19:28.900 benefits from anything

03:19:29.620 that we do

03:19:30.100 that's a vessel

03:19:31.000 of the west

03:19:31.440 Israel benefits 1.00

03:19:32.420 because they're

03:19:32.700 one of our main

03:19:33.240 allies over there

03:19:33.960 I don't

03:19:35.020 I don't

03:19:35.340 I don't agree with this

03:19:36.120 you can look at

03:19:37.080 Operation Ajax

03:19:37.820 was conducted by who

03:19:38.680 the US

03:19:39.280 Brits

03:19:39.800 and the Israelis

03:19:40.820 why

03:19:41.300 because there was

03:19:41.900 enormous benefits

03:19:43.040 of the Israelis 0.73

03:19:43.560 for being involved

03:19:44.600 in that

03:19:44.800 no you're dead wrong

03:19:45.160 it was for the Brits 0.81

03:19:47.100 it was to prevent

03:19:47.740 all of their oil companies

03:19:48.940 from being taken over

03:19:49.680 and nationalized

03:19:50.160 by the country

03:19:50.600 the Brits begged

03:19:51.600 the United States

03:19:52.260 to help in that

03:19:52.840 intervention

03:19:53.140 of course

03:19:53.460 and then the Israelis

03:19:54.200 assisted as well

03:19:54.980 but the Israelis

03:19:55.580 I don't know

03:19:55.980 what the Israeli

03:19:56.420 assistant

03:19:56.680 in that case

03:19:58.120 so did France 0.73

03:19:58.640 so did every single

03:19:59.280 country in the west

03:19:59.820 benefited I guess

03:20:00.360 and then also

03:20:02.240 again the argument

03:20:03.280 is that the Israelis

03:20:04.640 are one of the

03:20:05.300 biggest obstacles

03:20:05.920 of peace

03:20:06.300 another thing

03:20:06.880 they were heavily

03:20:08.000 involved in us

03:20:08.740 pulling out of the

03:20:09.640 JCPOA

03:20:10.320 aka the Iran 0.98

03:20:11.120 nuclear deal

03:20:11.620 I think that

03:20:12.480 that was a good deal

03:20:13.300 that was going to

03:20:14.140 have Iran 0.93

03:20:15.060 be in a position

03:20:15.720 where we can

03:20:16.240 monitor what they're

03:20:16.760 doing

03:20:16.920 we had inspectors

03:20:17.640 in there

03:20:17.920 we would stop them

03:20:19.040 from getting a

03:20:19.480 nuclear weapon

03:20:19.960 actually it was

03:20:20.440 to Israel's benefit 0.98

03:20:21.180 because Israel

03:20:22.640 would be the only

03:20:23.160 nuclear power

03:20:23.780 in the region

03:20:24.400 but what did

03:20:25.140 Israel do 0.98

03:20:25.600 Mike Pompeo

03:20:26.420 is a cuck

03:20:26.860 he went ahead

03:20:27.660 and pressured

03:20:28.020 he's owned

03:20:28.840 by the Jews

03:20:29.380 he tells Trump

03:20:30.640 hey we got to

03:20:31.480 pull out of this

03:20:31.940 thing

03:20:32.220 Trump pulls out

03:20:33.700 by advice of him

03:20:34.860 he puts

03:20:35.580 he's the secretary

03:20:36.220 of state

03:20:36.480 at the time

03:20:36.900 he puts the IRGC

03:20:39.040 on a terrorist

03:20:39.820 watch list

03:20:40.220 in 2019

03:20:40.720 and then bam

03:20:41.760 now the diplomacy

03:20:43.400 that we had worked

03:20:44.220 for for multiple

03:20:45.060 years under the

03:20:45.640 Obama administration

03:20:46.260 gone

03:20:46.940 and then

03:20:47.600 why was that

03:20:48.420 because of

03:20:48.880 enormous pressure

03:20:50.120 from the Israel

03:20:51.040 lobby

03:20:51.340 yeah I think

03:20:53.660 pulling out of the

03:20:54.100 JCBOA was horrible

03:20:54.960 the Iranian nuclear

03:20:55.620 deal was bad

03:20:56.220 I don't think we

03:20:56.960 should have done it

03:20:57.460 but if Israel

03:20:58.080 has so much control

03:20:58.880 that they were able

03:20:59.360 to make us pull

03:20:59.920 out of that deal

03:21:00.440 why didn't they

03:21:00.900 have enough control

03:21:01.360 to make us not

03:21:01.920 enter the deal

03:21:02.340 in the first place

03:21:02.760 with Obama

03:21:03.140 because Obama

03:21:03.800 had a spine

03:21:04.320 against the Israelis 1.00

03:21:05.060 but Benjamin Netanyahu

03:21:06.560 if they have a spine

03:21:07.600 if a spine is all it

03:21:08.480 takes then you have

03:21:08.980 no conspiracy

03:21:09.440 then there's no way

03:21:10.000 they can control it

03:21:10.540 all you need is a

03:21:11.220 little bit of a spine

03:21:11.820 and now you can't

03:21:12.280 do anything

03:21:12.620 like you said before

03:21:13.480 they were assassinating

03:21:14.240 people like JFK

03:21:15.020 or whatever

03:21:15.280 in order to keep them

03:21:15.960 on board with their

03:21:16.440 nuclear program

03:21:17.020 and shit 0.59

03:21:17.320 and now you're

03:21:17.840 saying that all

03:21:18.260 you need is a spine

03:21:18.920 and now you can

03:21:19.480 create one of the worst

03:21:20.400 well I think it was

03:21:21.500 a great deal

03:21:21.940 but Saudi Arabia

03:21:22.580 and Israel

03:21:23.420 both fucking hated it

03:21:24.380 they felt like

03:21:24.700 they got stabbed

03:21:25.140 in the back

03:21:25.500 by the United States

03:21:26.100 but fuck them both 0.74

03:21:26.880 I thought that was

03:21:27.720 a great deal

03:21:28.120 but to say that

03:21:28.960 Obama can resist

03:21:30.080 Israel with just 0.93

03:21:30.620 having a spine

03:21:31.160 means that Israel 0.92

03:21:31.680 has no power

03:21:32.300 to do anything

03:21:33.200 for US foreign policy

03:21:33.860 here's the thing

03:21:34.300 like Netanyahu

03:21:35.420 came to the United States

03:21:36.940 and literally like

03:21:37.820 challenged the sitting

03:21:38.460 President of the United States

03:21:39.340 and addressed

03:21:40.340 our house

03:21:41.560 talking about how

03:21:42.360 the JCPOA

03:21:43.100 was a bad deal

03:21:43.800 blah blah blah

03:21:44.180 he rallied against it

03:21:45.680 yeah but here's

03:21:47.180 the thing though

03:21:47.840 once Trump came in

03:21:49.320 what happened

03:21:49.860 boom

03:21:50.480 yeah because Trump

03:21:51.080 is a cuck

03:21:51.540 not because he got

03:21:52.080 controlled by Israel

03:21:52.680 Trump is just a fucking retard 1.00

03:21:53.700 well here's the thing

03:21:54.540 that proves my point

03:21:55.300 that the Trump administration

03:21:56.240 is my biggest criticism

03:21:57.260 of Trump

03:21:57.980 he is owned by the Adelsons

03:21:59.560 he's owned by the Jews 0.98

03:22:00.360 so when

03:22:01.220 well we can say that

03:22:02.500 I don't think he's owned

03:22:02.980 I think he's just retarded 1.00

03:22:03.660 I think he just

03:22:04.140 sees an easy conflict

03:22:05.140 and he takes it

03:22:05.740 because he knows

03:22:06.420 they're always going to win

03:22:07.080 and old people like Israel 0.96

03:22:08.080 I don't think you need

03:22:08.660 any conspiracy there

03:22:09.440 to explain shit

03:22:09.960 I mean again

03:22:10.960 Obama stood up to

03:22:12.800 the Jewish lobby

03:22:14.280 more than Trump did

03:22:15.420 so when Trump came in

03:22:16.300 one of the first things

03:22:17.140 he did was this

03:22:18.040 ban the plan

03:22:18.620 got Mike Pompeo in

03:22:20.200 Pompeo was a hardcore Zionist 1.00

03:22:21.520 owned by the Jewish lobby

03:22:22.420 he was the main guy

03:22:23.820 in his ear

03:22:24.100 telling him

03:22:24.520 hey we need to get

03:22:25.740 out of this thing

03:22:26.340 and then he designated

03:22:27.180 the IRGC

03:22:27.900 as a

03:22:28.480 on the terrorist

03:22:29.400 on the FTO list

03:22:30.500 so and then

03:22:31.360 they put the crazy

03:22:32.140 sanctions on him too

03:22:32.940 but it could just be that Trump is just like

03:22:33.080 a mega cuck for Israel right 0.99

03:22:34.360 nobody's forcing Trump

03:22:35.300 to put fucking 0.64

03:22:35.960 who was it

03:22:37.440 fucking Huckabee

03:22:37.980 as our ambassador to Israel now

03:22:39.240 like Trump is still cucking up

03:22:40.240 to Israel now

03:22:40.660 he doesn't need the money anymore

03:22:41.500 he's got a billion other scams

03:22:42.600 he's running in the US

03:22:43.300 oh yeah

03:22:43.520 but that's my point

03:22:44.520 once again

03:22:45.160 Israel

03:22:45.840 the debate is

03:22:46.620 how is it that every time

03:22:47.520 they support them

03:22:48.040 and every time they don't support them

03:22:48.900 it's like always somehow

03:22:49.600 fits your theory

03:22:50.440 we either Obama has a spine

03:22:52.060 and then Trump was forced

03:22:52.960 in Trump 1

03:22:53.580 but then it does the exact same thing

03:22:54.500 in Trump 2

03:22:54.900 even though he's not forced

03:22:55.520 in Trump 2

03:22:55.840 like every single thing

03:22:56.960 can be explained by the same

03:22:58.040 like conspiracy

03:22:58.960 like oh they did a secret paper

03:23:00.500 or they wrote that clean break memo

03:23:01.580 in order to get the US

03:23:02.220 to go to war

03:23:02.680 but it didn't work or do anything

03:23:03.640 so then they had to fabricate

03:23:04.420 the anthrax thing

03:23:04.980 well why would they even write the memo

03:23:05.940 they should just fabricate

03:23:06.560 the anthrax thing

03:23:07.100 like every single thing

03:23:07.980 can always be explained

03:23:08.860 by whatever conspiracy

03:23:10.680 like there's no way

03:23:11.600 I can't even falsify any of it

03:23:12.740 okay so here's the thing

03:23:14.060 okay

03:23:14.420 number one

03:23:16.060 the argument is

03:23:17.100 who is the bigger barrier to peace

03:23:18.540 my argument is that

03:23:19.320 it's the Israelis 0.98

03:23:19.940 and I'm using the angle

03:23:20.840 of them pulling out the JCPOA

03:23:22.180 now with that said

03:23:23.180 Obama

03:23:23.840 the argument is

03:23:24.500 who is the bigger detriment to peace

03:23:26.440 between Israel and the Palestinians 0.99

03:23:27.760 yes

03:23:28.220 right the Palestinians 1.00

03:23:28.840 can't be a detriment to peace

03:23:29.920 with the Iranians

03:23:30.920 that's not even relevant

03:23:31.620 yeah yeah

03:23:31.960 yes it is

03:23:32.860 Israel

03:23:33.200 yes it is

03:23:33.880 because the Iranians

03:23:34.580 back Hamas 1.00

03:23:35.120 and back the Palestinians 1.00

03:23:35.840 so yes it is a detriment to peace

03:23:37.300 so what I'm saying is

03:23:38.760 they only back the Palestinians 1.00

03:23:39.760 because they don't like Israel

03:23:40.760 they don't give a fuck

03:23:41.260 about the Palestinians

03:23:41.880 they just do it

03:23:42.500 because they're trying to fight

03:23:42.960 with Israel and Saudi Arabia

03:23:43.760 and the United States

03:23:44.340 because Israel is a rogue state 0.94

03:23:46.760 that has a nuclear weapon

03:23:47.800 so obviously the acts of resistance

03:23:49.440 was created to insulate themselves

03:23:51.080 and protect themselves

03:23:51.840 how is Israel more of a rogue state 0.92

03:23:53.320 than

03:23:53.540 is it more of a rogue state

03:23:54.460 than Yemen 0.50

03:23:54.920 it's more of a rogue

03:23:56.900 you could make the argument

03:23:58.480 I think Israel is more of a rogue state 0.99

03:23:59.900 than Iran 0.82

03:24:00.260 it's more of a rogue state

03:24:01.640 than Iran 0.82

03:24:02.000 how

03:24:02.280 Iran was a part of the JCPOA

03:24:04.760 it was a part of the

03:24:05.360 International Non-Proliferation Treaty

03:24:07.340 they actually had

03:24:08.820 inspectors come in

03:24:09.680 Israel has a nuclear bomb 0.97

03:24:10.660 that's illegal

03:24:11.420 that they stole from us

03:24:12.360 so just so being

03:24:13.280 having a nuclear bomb

03:24:14.460 makes you a rogue state

03:24:15.360 isn't that like the exact opposite

03:24:16.540 an unacknowledged nuclear program

03:24:18.180 that you stole

03:24:18.780 100%

03:24:20.080 I feel like that

03:24:21.360 every other person on the planet

03:24:22.240 would say that

03:24:22.580 is the exact opposite

03:24:23.160 a rogue state

03:24:23.760 having a nuclear bomb

03:24:24.720 seems like the worst possible thing ever

03:24:26.140 I think that if they were a rogue state

03:24:27.160 they would have used it

03:24:27.880 or something right

03:24:28.360 dude

03:24:28.580 definitely like a rogue state

03:24:30.040 when they can't be controlled

03:24:30.980 destiny

03:24:31.500 they bombed Qatar

03:24:32.860 like two weeks ago

03:24:33.980 okay

03:24:35.540 that is one of our

03:24:36.780 that is one of our main allies

03:24:38.060 with the biggest military base

03:24:39.260 you know how crazy that is

03:24:40.380 that they bombed one of our allies

03:24:41.600 it's

03:24:43.260 it's

03:24:44.200 people

03:24:44.880 everybody bombs

03:24:45.600 Iran has bombed Saudi Arabia

03:24:47.360 like what do you mean

03:24:48.100 they bomb each other over there

03:24:49.520 what do you mean

03:24:50.320 destiny

03:24:51.480 we

03:24:52.120 we give them

03:24:53.440 a lot of their aid

03:24:55.080 we give them billions upon billions of dollars

03:24:56.540 I think this year alone

03:24:57.280 we've given them like

03:24:57.920 16 billion dollars

03:24:59.080 and they bombed Qatar

03:25:00.420 Qatar

03:25:01.280 has the biggest

03:25:02.340 military base

03:25:03.520 US military base there

03:25:04.660 that is one of our close allies

03:25:05.840 they are the intermediary

03:25:07.080 to try to stop this war 0.62

03:25:08.400 and they still bombed them

03:25:09.340 that's crazy dude

03:25:10.640 sure yeah

03:25:10.840 well yeah

03:25:11.300 but it's not

03:25:11.600 they're not like bombing

03:25:12.280 you're making it sound like

03:25:12.900 they're like fucking carpet bombing

03:25:13.980 their cities or some shit

03:25:15.180 right

03:25:15.620 it's not like they're out there

03:25:16.380 like yeah

03:25:17.060 they're doing

03:25:17.600 hold on let me refresh my page

03:25:19.380 can you guys still hear me

03:25:20.460 yeah

03:25:21.380 okay okay

03:25:21.980 my video is frozen

03:25:22.720 sorry

03:25:23.160 sure

03:25:23.900 I think the big issue is that

03:25:25.120 like Trump has absolutely no

03:25:26.800 desire or control of Israel 0.96

03:25:28.980 or any idea what the fuck is going 0.75

03:25:30.060 in the Middle East

03:25:30.500 so now Israel is doing 0.79

03:25:31.220 as I've said from the beginning of this debate

03:25:32.600 I feel like there's a really hard point

03:25:33.640 I understand for most people

03:25:34.320 Israel will try to do 1.00

03:25:35.300 as much as it can get away with

03:25:36.200 but Israel has constraints

03:25:37.880 internationally

03:25:38.720 and constraints domestically

03:25:40.020 when those constraints disappear

03:25:41.000 you can see some crazy shit

03:25:42.040 although arguably

03:25:42.880 that might be true

03:25:43.580 for literally any state

03:25:44.700 right

03:25:45.140 who knows what North Korea

03:25:45.860 would act like

03:25:46.400 absent of China 0.99

03:25:47.240 who knows what

03:25:48.320 do you think

03:25:48.900 I don't understand

03:25:49.500 can you hear us

03:25:50.120 oh maybe not

03:25:50.920 no I'm here

03:25:52.180 can you

03:25:52.460 I just can't

03:25:53.100 you guys just can't see me

03:25:54.200 I'm restarting my

03:25:55.100 I think

03:25:56.040 it says here

03:25:57.020 that your device

03:25:57.920 device struggling to record

03:25:59.300 I think it's recording

03:26:00.420 on your end

03:26:00.980 Ellie

03:26:02.000 maybe that's what the problem is

03:26:03.340 it's probably recording mine

03:26:05.160 but I'm not sure why

03:26:05.800 it's not recording in your end

03:26:06.860 yeah

03:26:07.320 it says

03:26:08.120 it says

03:26:08.820 let me refresh it

03:26:09.780 I'm

03:26:09.960 oh

03:26:10.460 shit

03:26:11.840 hold on

03:26:13.640 sorry guys

03:26:14.160 I'm joining back in

03:26:14.980 I'm joining back in

03:26:15.740 niggas 1.00

03:26:16.080 he's got to accept me though

03:26:21.020 I should get my video back on

03:26:24.440 wow

03:26:25.520 alright

03:26:25.940 it's turning back on

03:26:28.740 can you guys hear me

03:26:29.920 only a blue screen

03:26:31.420 yeah

03:26:31.740 I restarted my switcher

03:26:33.540 hopefully it'll come back on here

03:26:34.720 in a second 0.78

03:26:35.280 okay

03:26:36.300 just before we continue

03:26:37.780 I think we're going to try

03:26:38.620 to finish in the next few minutes

03:26:39.640 as well

03:26:39.940 so just keep that in mind

03:26:40.900 yeah yeah sure

03:26:41.640 but yeah

03:26:42.860 so going back to what I was saying

03:26:44.180 with the whole

03:26:45.580 the JCPOA

03:26:47.240 and everything else like that

03:26:48.060 I think that Israel 0.72

03:26:49.700 is a bigger rogue state

03:26:50.600 because they

03:26:51.320 bond their

03:26:52.280 they assassinate

03:26:54.140 negotiators

03:26:54.820 they do clandestine operations

03:26:57.140 they do false flags

03:26:58.140 they undermine us

03:26:59.160 all the time

03:26:59.640 as their main person

03:27:01.200 did you know that

03:27:02.020 back in the Bush era

03:27:02.880 that they had tried to get

03:27:04.020 a false flag

03:27:04.600 Mossad operatives

03:27:05.460 literally

03:27:06.420 pretended to be

03:27:08.060 CIA operatives

03:27:09.040 and they tried to arm

03:27:09.780 the Jundullah 0.96

03:27:11.000 to conduct a terrorist attack

03:27:12.760 in Tehran

03:27:13.360 at the end of Bush's administration

03:27:14.620 this was back like

03:27:15.260 2007-2008

03:27:16.280 2007-2008

03:27:17.560 and they

03:27:18.620 obviously the Iranians 0.99

03:27:19.580 foiled the plan

03:27:20.220 but then they found out

03:27:21.200 that Jundullah 1.00

03:27:21.760 was actually being

03:27:22.680 supported by

03:27:23.820 Mossad

03:27:24.480 and they figured it out

03:27:25.300 but they were really

03:27:26.060 but they were planning

03:27:26.800 to be CIA guys

03:27:27.500 like the Israelis 1.00

03:27:28.400 constantly do bullshit

03:27:29.500 in the Middle East

03:27:29.960 and try to get us

03:27:30.640 involved in it

03:27:31.380 and Bush knew about this

03:27:32.940 but everybody does bullshit

03:27:33.840 in the Middle East

03:27:34.480 and to say Bush knew about this

03:27:35.700 Bush was literally

03:27:36.260 the one that put Iran 0.97

03:27:37.200 on the axis of evil

03:27:38.420 the IRGC

03:27:40.260 we didn't want to go to war

03:27:41.140 with them

03:27:41.400 no but we were already

03:27:43.400 at war with them

03:27:44.060 largely right

03:27:44.840 like Iran 1.00

03:27:45.660 and the Cuts Force

03:27:46.500 had been doing tons

03:27:47.220 of intervention in Iraq

03:27:48.980 like arguably

03:27:49.640 a lot of the deaths

03:27:50.340 that happened there

03:27:50.900 were a result

03:27:51.500 literally of foreign

03:27:52.520 Iranian operatives

03:27:53.380 a lot of what was

03:27:54.420 going on in Syria

03:27:55.020 was a result of

03:27:55.960 you know like

03:27:56.620 assistance from

03:27:57.820 Iranian foreign operatives

03:27:58.800 or the money

03:27:59.260 or the resources

03:27:59.880 or the training

03:28:00.360 that they would send

03:28:00.860 to Hezbollah

03:28:01.340 in southern Lebanon

03:28:01.940 like yeah

03:28:02.620 Iran does shit 0.94

03:28:03.720 all across the Middle East

03:28:04.820 like the fucking

03:28:05.540 America or Russia 0.97

03:28:06.420 but the difference is

03:28:07.620 is that we don't pay

03:28:09.140 we don't give billions

03:28:10.640 of dollars in aid

03:28:11.520 to Iran

03:28:12.220 we give it to Israel 0.99

03:28:13.060 they need to be

03:28:13.880 beholden to us

03:28:14.480 but they're a rogue state

03:28:15.180 that does reckless stuff

03:28:15.980 I mean the fact that

03:28:16.580 they bombed Qatar

03:28:17.620 is wild

03:28:18.840 I'm not going to say

03:28:19.460 prior to Trump too

03:28:20.260 I don't know how

03:28:21.060 wild it necessarily

03:28:21.740 he's kind of wild

03:28:22.820 but the issue we have

03:28:25.060 right now is that

03:28:25.760 we have no

03:28:26.220 the president is a fucking

03:28:27.340 retard and doesn't know 1.00

03:28:28.080 anything about the Middle East

03:28:28.680 so he doesn't give a fuck

03:28:29.820 about anything that happens there

03:28:30.600 that's our big deal now

03:28:31.460 so now you're seeing

03:28:32.180 people act crazy

03:28:32.880 he's too controlled

03:28:33.780 by the Jews

03:28:34.280 is the problem

03:28:34.840 he's not controlled

03:28:35.700 by the Jews

03:28:36.120 he's retarded 1.00

03:28:38.200 that's the issue

03:28:38.940 retarded on some things 0.97

03:28:41.120 on all things

03:28:43.200 on the Middle East

03:28:44.900 yes

03:28:45.280 100% cucked

03:28:46.300 and owned by them boys

03:28:47.520 okay

03:28:49.160 I think that

03:28:51.760 just admit that

03:28:54.220 the Israelis

03:28:54.680 are the main problem

03:28:55.400 bro

03:28:55.540 just admit it

03:28:56.080 and I'm happy

03:28:56.840 but they're not though

03:28:57.840 they're the biggest obstacle

03:28:58.640 if you think like

03:28:59.240 oh who would I rather

03:28:59.820 have run the Middle East 0.98

03:29:00.780 like there's a reason

03:29:01.660 why most of the Middle Eastern 0.70

03:29:02.620 leadership is totally fine

03:29:03.920 with Israel

03:29:04.320 even if the Arab street

03:29:05.240 you know

03:29:05.560 it's not the

03:29:06.000 you know

03:29:06.640 it's not the nicest thing

03:29:07.400 to say about the

03:29:07.980 fucking Mediterranean Jew 0.96

03:29:08.860 right

03:29:09.300 most of the Arab leadership

03:29:10.240 is like you know what

03:29:10.920 I think I'd rather fucking

03:29:11.720 Israel be in charge of this shit 1.00

03:29:13.160 than fucking

03:29:13.600 than Iran 0.82

03:29:14.520 are you serious

03:29:15.580 than fucking Assad

03:29:16.740 these are like the worst

03:29:18.500 motherfuckers in the world 1.00

03:29:19.580 Assad's out of there

03:29:20.260 he is now

03:29:20.780 yeah

03:29:21.160 or fucking Saddam Hussein

03:29:22.680 like these are the worst

03:29:23.480 people in the world

03:29:24.160 these guys are out of there

03:29:24.920 the fucking Houthi family

03:29:25.740 these are the worst people

03:29:26.600 the Muslim Brotherhood

03:29:27.760 in fucking Cairo

03:29:28.520 these are the worst

03:29:29.200 motherfuckers in the world 1.00

03:29:29.680 and you're like

03:29:30.180 God

03:29:30.380 Israel is a fucking 0.97

03:29:31.120 rogue state

03:29:31.880 they're fucking terrible

03:29:32.820 and horrible

03:29:33.360 you would do

03:29:34.000 living in any one

03:29:35.180 of these motherfucking places

03:29:35.980 like every fucking person 0.96

03:29:37.760 would rather live in

03:29:38.700 Egypt

03:29:39.360 or not in Egypt

03:29:40.120 in fucking Israel

03:29:40.900 like fucking Arabs 1.00

03:29:41.800 would rather live

03:29:42.420 in fucking Israel

03:29:43.000 Arabs who live in Israel 0.97

03:29:43.760 do better

03:29:44.140 than Arabs living 0.99

03:29:44.760 in any of these

03:29:45.200 fucking surrounding

03:29:45.880 you know

03:29:46.120 that's not the argument

03:29:48.180 the argument is simply

03:29:49.040 remember

03:29:49.320 the debate is

03:29:50.260 who is the bigger

03:29:50.980 obstacle to peace

03:29:51.680 I'm saying the Israelis 0.75

03:29:52.540 I understand that's

03:29:53.240 the debate is

03:29:53.740 but you're

03:29:54.260 you're making about

03:29:54.800 the entire Middle East

03:29:55.460 we're talking about

03:29:56.040 the biggest obstacles

03:29:56.780 to peace between

03:29:57.360 Palestinians

03:29:58.020 and the Israelis

03:29:59.040 we're talking about

03:29:59.600 the Middle Eastern region

03:30:01.000 but I'm saying that

03:30:01.880 the broader Middle Eastern region

03:30:02.880 Palestinians aren't even 1.00

03:30:03.540 going to have like

03:30:03.820 any influence on this

03:30:04.460 of course

03:30:04.760 between the Palestinians 0.81

03:30:05.900 and the Israelis

03:30:06.560 the Palestinians will never 1.00

03:30:07.880 settle for peace

03:30:08.740 with the Israelis

03:30:09.200 because they always feel

03:30:09.960 like they can get more

03:30:10.620 so they have no incentive

03:30:11.220 to do it

03:30:11.580 at this point

03:30:12.220 Israelis are radicalized 0.96

03:30:13.200 so much

03:30:13.520 that they figure

03:30:13.880 Palestinians are number one piece 1.00

03:30:14.780 so they're going to keep

03:30:15.420 fighting with them

03:30:15.760 and that's where we're going

03:30:16.220 to go indefinitely

03:30:16.760 until some international leader

03:30:18.000 takes an interest in it

03:30:19.000 and pushes for it

03:30:19.660 the Israelis

03:30:20.180 illegally occupy them

03:30:21.500 okay

03:30:22.060 they're an apartheid 0.90

03:30:22.940 they don't have any

03:30:23.600 representation

03:30:24.080 they're being occupied

03:30:25.680 by a foreign government

03:30:26.860 they have no rights

03:30:28.020 nothing

03:30:28.420 so yeah

03:30:29.220 of course they're going to resist

03:30:30.020 and according to international law

03:30:31.400 they have the right to resist

03:30:32.600 because what Israel is doing 0.94

03:30:33.700 is illegal

03:30:34.160 everything about Israel

03:30:35.080 is illegal

03:30:35.480 the settlements

03:30:36.000 the way the country

03:30:38.080 came as a formation

03:30:38.840 everything about it

03:30:39.540 according to international law

03:30:40.520 is illegal

03:30:41.220 and this is why

03:30:41.880 the Palestinians think 0.99

03:30:42.880 and that's why

03:30:43.220 they'll never settle for peace

03:30:44.220 because I think it's all illegal

03:30:44.940 and it doesn't count

03:30:45.420 and here's the other thing too

03:30:46.680 and the Israelis

03:30:48.020 don't even want to make it right

03:30:49.060 and come to some type

03:30:49.800 of two-state solution

03:30:50.480 or bring them in

03:30:51.360 to a one-state solution

03:30:52.760 nobody knows what

03:30:53.560 a two-state solution

03:30:54.300 would look like

03:30:54.680 and a one-state solution

03:30:55.320 nobody would agree with that either

03:30:56.200 because that includes

03:30:57.060 an infinite right of return

03:30:57.820 but my point is

03:30:59.060 who is the obstacle to peace

03:31:00.700 it is the Israelis 0.94

03:31:01.540 because since they don't want

03:31:02.480 to solve the Palestinian question

03:31:03.680 that creates all the other conflicts

03:31:05.360 the Palestinians don't want to solve it either though 0.89

03:31:06.040 what do the Palestinians want 0.97

03:31:07.200 really

03:31:07.500 what do the Palestinians want 0.97

03:31:08.360 right to self-determination

03:31:10.080 and sovereignty

03:31:10.920 what does that mean

03:31:11.220 that's it

03:31:11.620 you can't speak in riddles

03:31:12.800 sovereignty and right to self-determination

03:31:14.640 what does that mean

03:31:15.180 having a citizenship

03:31:17.040 being able to not be

03:31:18.500 an apartheid state

03:31:19.260 where they're second-class citizens

03:31:20.360 the right of return

03:31:20.480 what do you do with the

03:31:21.380 five to seven million

03:31:22.240 Palestinian refugees

03:31:23.140 okay look

03:31:23.880 nobody wants to talk about that

03:31:25.140 that's one of the huge issues

03:31:26.240 that the Palestinians

03:31:26.820 I didn't say the right of return

03:31:27.880 I didn't say the right of return

03:31:29.240 I know you didn't

03:31:29.520 but that's what comes up

03:31:30.320 all the time

03:31:30.600 that's one of the huge things

03:31:31.600 even though you brought up

03:31:32.640 the Arab peace resolutions

03:31:34.060 or whatever before

03:31:34.680 that's a huge fucking thing

03:31:35.940 no no no

03:31:36.260 that's not

03:31:37.140 here's the thing

03:31:38.080 most of the Palestinians

03:31:39.540 now understand

03:31:40.200 that that's probably

03:31:40.920 not going to happen

03:31:41.520 a two-state solution

03:31:42.440 with sovereignty

03:31:43.500 and their own ability

03:31:44.600 to have self-determination

03:31:45.480 which means their own government

03:31:46.420 their own military

03:31:47.300 their own airspace

03:31:48.480 their own police

03:31:49.940 no Palestinian has ever 1.00

03:31:51.660 given up any right of return

03:31:53.120 ever

03:31:53.320 no Palestinian leadership

03:31:54.220 has ever put on paper

03:31:55.500 the number of

03:31:56.920 right of return refugees

03:31:57.880 that would come back

03:31:58.420 that's what never happened

03:31:59.060 that's great for you to say that

03:32:00.140 but they've never acknowledged that

03:32:01.280 well here's the thing

03:32:01.780 they won't even give them

03:32:02.460 the right to self-determination

03:32:03.520 so how the hell

03:32:04.000 are they going to even get

03:32:04.640 a self-right of return

03:32:06.020 these are flower words

03:32:06.200 it mean nothing

03:32:06.680 what the fuck is

03:32:07.180 right of self-determination

03:32:08.200 okay

03:32:08.420 this doesn't mean anything

03:32:09.300 it's simple destiny

03:32:10.260 being able to govern themselves

03:32:11.580 and being able to have

03:32:12.260 their own government

03:32:12.940 Hamas govern themselves 1.00

03:32:13.900 no no no

03:32:14.600 the Palestinian authority

03:32:14.880 governs itself

03:32:15.440 with their own military

03:32:16.460 where they're not occupied

03:32:17.500 where they have their own airspace

03:32:18.600 they have their own water

03:32:19.520 they're not controlled

03:32:20.420 their food and power

03:32:21.360 isn't controlled by the Israelis

03:32:22.380 where they can turn it off

03:32:23.100 at any single time

03:32:23.900 that's why we got to

03:32:24.720 fuck a genocide going on

03:32:25.580 with famine

03:32:25.900 because the Israelis

03:32:26.480 control everything

03:32:27.200 that proves my point

03:32:28.280 that they're absolutely occupied

03:32:29.400 the fact that they're starving them

03:32:30.380 so having their own

03:32:31.740 sovereignty destiny

03:32:32.820 you're smart

03:32:33.220 you know what that means

03:32:33.920 being able to have

03:32:34.800 their own real country

03:32:36.080 that's what it comes down to

03:32:37.400 sure where's the leader

03:32:38.240 that's negotiating for that

03:32:39.300 this doesn't exist

03:32:40.080 they've been trying

03:32:40.920 and they don't give it to them

03:32:42.020 who when

03:32:42.500 the Oswald courts

03:32:43.520 the Oswald courts

03:32:44.440 was the closest to that

03:32:45.360 and they killed the fucking guy 0.97

03:32:46.400 that set it up bro

03:32:47.120 that was the

03:32:48.380 and the Oswald courts

03:32:49.060 was simply the framework

03:32:49.880 we didn't even get to that point yet

03:32:51.100 but they fucking killed them

03:32:52.300 that's how much the Israelis 0.98

03:32:53.200 don't want to have peace

03:32:54.060 they're the biggest sabotagers

03:32:55.400 to peace

03:32:56.040 and everybody in the

03:32:56.860 international community

03:32:57.440 would agree with me

03:32:57.880 this is why nobody likes Israel 0.97

03:32:59.060 this is why

03:32:59.740 you know

03:33:00.920 literally today

03:33:01.880 why do you think the Brits

03:33:02.840 and the Australians

03:33:03.740 and the Canadians

03:33:05.740 recognize the Palestinian state

03:33:07.060 because they understand

03:33:07.960 that this is some bullshit

03:33:08.660 that Israel's been doing 1.00

03:33:09.400 for 70, 80 years

03:33:10.620 they know it's bullshit 0.78

03:33:11.800 talk is cheap

03:33:12.460 yeah that's fine

03:33:13.020 they can say what they want

03:33:13.720 but at the end of the day

03:33:14.300 nobody is like intervening

03:33:15.300 to do anything

03:33:15.940 all of this is just to make

03:33:17.220 people feel good about themselves

03:33:18.120 that's why Canada invented

03:33:19.040 a new definition of genocide

03:33:20.220 to say that they were

03:33:20.880 genociding their natives 1.00

03:33:21.600 so they could feel good

03:33:22.120 about themselves

03:33:22.460 because there's a pat on the back

03:33:23.440 but at the end of the day

03:33:24.400 none of these people

03:33:25.000 are fucking doing anything

03:33:25.760 to advance any of the causes

03:33:26.800 every genocide expert

03:33:28.820 every scholar is coming out

03:33:29.920 saying that this is a genocide

03:33:30.740 because it doesn't

03:33:31.600 even if you eliminate

03:33:32.700 the people in part

03:33:33.500 yeah this doesn't mean anything

03:33:33.620 that's fine

03:33:34.180 it's a genocide

03:33:34.700 you can say that

03:33:35.320 look okay let's say that

03:33:36.500 how much closer are we

03:33:37.220 to figuring out the solution

03:33:38.300 none

03:33:39.120 if anything

03:33:39.560 now you're further away

03:33:40.300 why the fuck would you

03:33:40.880 make a peaceful solution

03:33:41.860 with a person who's genociding you

03:33:43.000 all you're doing

03:33:43.840 is infinitely

03:33:44.440 incentivizing both sides

03:33:45.720 to fight forever

03:33:46.100 and they will continue to fight

03:33:46.960 why would you make peace

03:33:47.900 apartheid-ing you 0.90

03:33:48.840 genociding you

03:33:49.460 ethnic cleansing you 0.99

03:33:50.260 starvation-ing you

03:33:51.060 like what the fuck

03:33:51.600 well here's the thing

03:33:52.240 Israel is losing 0.92

03:33:53.080 the support of the

03:33:53.900 international community

03:33:54.720 America is starting 0.91

03:33:55.920 but that doesn't matter to you

03:33:56.460 wait how can they lose that

03:33:57.560 wait wait

03:33:57.860 how can they lose the support

03:33:58.880 I thought you said

03:33:59.320 they control everything

03:33:59.980 with all the Israeli money

03:34:00.980 and all the Israeli propaganda

03:34:01.800 you're right

03:34:02.280 you're right

03:34:02.720 they do

03:34:03.120 they do control everything

03:34:04.200 but that support

03:34:05.040 is starting to wane

03:34:05.740 people on their left

03:34:06.560 already your entire party

03:34:07.940 wait how can it wane

03:34:08.940 if they're controlling it all

03:34:09.860 with money and propaganda

03:34:10.660 okay can I explain

03:34:12.020 can I explain

03:34:12.920 so for a very long time

03:34:14.340 talking about Jewish power

03:34:15.740 Zionism was banned

03:34:16.820 on social media platforms

03:34:17.900 we all know this

03:34:18.700 however the October 7th attacks

03:34:20.660 and the current genocide

03:34:21.380 going on has brought it

03:34:22.300 to the forefront of conversation

03:34:23.400 now that it's a forefront

03:34:24.440 of conversation

03:34:25.020 we got people on the left

03:34:26.860 condemning what Israel is doing 0.99

03:34:28.640 this is a topic

03:34:29.440 that the left typically

03:34:30.260 didn't really know about

03:34:31.040 or care too much about

03:34:31.820 unless they were really invested

03:34:32.700 in Middle Eastern foreign policy

03:34:34.180 I understand what you're saying

03:34:34.640 you're just explaining reality now

03:34:36.020 but before this

03:34:36.780 apparently Israel controlled

03:34:37.720 all the reality

03:34:38.240 so what the fuck is the point

03:34:39.240 of all the propaganda

03:34:39.840 and the money

03:34:40.280 and the Adelson's

03:34:40.840 and everybody else

03:34:41.240 if they can't actually

03:34:41.880 control any of the media

03:34:42.820 sure no no

03:34:43.720 well here's the thing

03:34:44.240 they can't control the media

03:34:45.100 anymore because we don't

03:34:45.960 have to deal with Fox News

03:34:46.980 and CNN anymore

03:34:47.620 now we got independent media

03:34:48.560 people are coming out

03:34:49.200 saying like yo this is bullshit 0.54

03:34:49.780 you literally just said

03:34:50.600 that we couldn't talk

03:34:51.220 about this on independent media

03:34:52.120 I thought don't you guys

03:34:52.780 complain about the ADL

03:34:53.600 controlling YouTube policy

03:34:54.700 and Facebook policy

03:34:55.440 and Twitter policy

03:34:55.940 and everything else

03:34:56.440 so how do they lose that

03:34:57.580 if they control it all

03:34:58.420 sure I'll explain that

03:34:59.260 because before

03:35:00.520 if you talked about

03:35:01.600 any of these topics

03:35:02.400 before the ADL SPLC

03:35:03.700 would target you immediately

03:35:04.480 but now everyone

03:35:05.500 people on both the right

03:35:06.560 and on the left

03:35:07.400 it used to be the right

03:35:08.340 that they would target

03:35:08.940 when they would talk

03:35:09.400 about this shit

03:35:09.880 they would ban me

03:35:10.720 demonetize me

03:35:11.420 ban Nick Quentin

03:35:11.980 etc but guess what

03:35:12.840 now Hassan's talking

03:35:13.760 about it every single day

03:35:14.600 now Kyle Kalisky's

03:35:15.620 talking about it all the time

03:35:16.460 now guys on the left

03:35:17.480 are talking about it

03:35:18.280 and then other people

03:35:19.140 are talking about it

03:35:19.860 on TikTok

03:35:20.200 TikTok was another thing

03:35:21.220 that they didn't see coming

03:35:21.940 so everybody

03:35:23.080 from different political angles

03:35:24.260 are seeing what Israel's doing 0.99

03:35:25.160 say this is fucking bullshit

03:35:26.060 well guess what

03:35:26.540 the ADL can't ban everybody

03:35:27.580 so now that it's coming out

03:35:29.040 what Israel's doing 0.97

03:35:29.940 and the world is waking up

03:35:31.200 now this has been brought

03:35:32.040 to the forefront

03:35:32.560 and this is why Israel's 0.82

03:35:33.360 getting absolutely decimated

03:35:34.380 in the press

03:35:34.880 that's why Netanyahu's 0.85

03:35:35.860 running around

03:35:36.220 doing all these stupid

03:35:36.880 ass softball interviews

03:35:37.720 but won't do an interview

03:35:38.860 with someone that's going

03:35:39.780 to ask him real questions

03:35:40.480 because he knows

03:35:41.060 he's conducting a genocide

03:35:42.240 he obviously

03:35:43.220 everybody feels like

03:35:44.480 there was a stand down order

03:35:45.180 how the hell did the IDF

03:35:46.100 take six hours to respond

03:35:47.080 we know the Hannibal Directive 0.52

03:35:48.200 was activated on that day

03:35:49.040 we know that they went ahead

03:35:50.140 and sabotaged a bunch of shit 0.87

03:35:51.480 that could have included peace

03:35:53.180 that included getting their

03:35:53.900 houses back on October 10th

03:35:54.960 so he doesn't want to do

03:35:55.680 any real interviews

03:35:56.280 Israel's getting cooked 1.00

03:35:57.200 and they're losing support

03:35:58.020 and the United States

03:35:58.720 is winning support

03:36:01.740 on them right now as well

03:36:02.700 even Trump have made a damn

03:36:03.760 it's really tough

03:36:04.260 to defend Israel nowadays

03:36:06.220 okay

03:36:06.880 where are we at Eli?

03:36:10.440 yeah we should probably

03:36:11.340 just wrap up

03:36:12.420 do you want to give

03:36:12.820 a one minute recap each

03:36:13.880 or?

03:36:14.760 sure

03:36:15.000 Desi you want to go first

03:36:16.180 since I went first

03:36:17.240 every time

03:36:17.640 yeah I feel like

03:36:20.900 I mean I feel like

03:36:22.220 I've stayed in my position

03:36:22.840 a million times

03:36:23.300 like on the final part

03:36:24.260 like it's difficult

03:36:25.640 arguing against all

03:36:26.440 the Jewish conspiracies 0.63

03:36:27.200 because like they're

03:36:27.740 simultaneously like

03:36:28.440 the most competent

03:36:29.140 propagandized people ever

03:36:30.380 who can control

03:36:31.040 every single part

03:36:31.700 of the media

03:36:32.120 but then when

03:36:32.680 too many people notice

03:36:33.500 all of a sudden

03:36:33.920 they have no control

03:36:34.560 over any of the media

03:36:35.240 it's impossible to argue

03:36:36.720 against these

03:36:37.360 Mossad organizations

03:36:38.300 that are at some points

03:36:39.080 in U.S. history

03:36:39.620 so powerful

03:36:40.400 that they're literally

03:36:40.960 assassinating presidents

03:36:42.040 and stealing enriched uranium

03:36:43.380 for nuclear programs

03:36:44.220 and then at other points

03:36:45.200 so we can trust

03:36:45.900 that Alex Jones

03:36:47.220 and Myron Gaines

03:36:48.360 and other people

03:36:48.940 and Hassan Piker

03:36:49.760 are able to fight against them

03:36:51.000 on the powerful

03:36:51.460 alternative media platforms

03:36:52.400 on YouTube

03:36:52.780 the reality is

03:36:53.920 is like the ADL

03:36:54.560 and all these platforms

03:36:55.160 were banning these motherfuckers 1.00

03:36:55.940 like crazy in 2021

03:36:57.080 2020

03:36:58.000 and then they reversed course

03:36:59.280 on their policy for

03:37:00.080 probably because I felt like

03:37:01.400 the censorship was too much

03:37:02.160 but I just don't understand

03:37:02.860 how like the Jewish conspiracy shit

03:37:04.040 is like so powerful

03:37:04.700 at other points

03:37:05.200 and then so weak and cocked

03:37:06.040 at other points

03:37:06.500 it doesn't make any sense to me

03:37:08.540 but like it's always

03:37:09.340 infinitely explanatory

03:37:10.160 of literally everything

03:37:11.040 except for when we don't

03:37:11.820 want it to be

03:37:12.160 and then it's not

03:37:12.660 so I like yeah

03:37:13.920 I don't know

03:37:14.420 but hopefully the forces

03:37:15.420 of good prevail

03:37:17.140 I guess

03:37:17.740 okay

03:37:17.980 okay so my summary

03:37:20.140 I'll try to make it quick here

03:37:21.380 but I'll summarize

03:37:21.880 almost everything here

03:37:22.800 so nice and simple

03:37:24.100 my argument is simply

03:37:25.680 that the Israelis

03:37:26.280 have been the biggest obstacle

03:37:27.180 to peace in the region

03:37:28.340 cheaply because

03:37:29.740 they keep ignoring

03:37:30.320 the Palestine question

03:37:31.120 we figured this out

03:37:32.160 since 1937

03:37:32.960 up until now

03:37:33.600 to 2025

03:37:34.440 Appeal Commission

03:37:35.500 we know your boy

03:37:36.940 Ben-Gurion

03:37:37.580 had no interest

03:37:38.980 in actually

03:37:39.720 doing any type of deal

03:37:41.540 with the Palestinians

03:37:42.300 because he wrote

03:37:43.700 to his son

03:37:44.280 in letters

03:37:45.080 in 1937

03:37:45.920 that the goal

03:37:46.600 was to always take

03:37:47.580 Palestine and whole

03:37:48.500 so first it was 20%

03:37:49.840 then they moved it up

03:37:50.660 in the 1947 partition plan

03:37:52.420 to 56%

03:37:53.540 and then obviously

03:37:55.380 that led to the war

03:37:56.280 the Israelis won that war

03:37:57.980 and declared their independence

03:37:59.480 that war was done

03:38:00.240 through paramilitary groups

03:38:01.600 like the Ergun-Haganah-Stern Gang 0.89

03:38:03.000 the very terrorism

03:38:03.980 that they condemn today

03:38:04.760 is exactly how the country

03:38:05.840 was formulated

03:38:06.360 in the beginning

03:38:07.320 then that leads us

03:38:08.780 to fast forward

03:38:09.520 to the 1967 war

03:38:10.560 where we had

03:38:11.080 the 242 agreement

03:38:12.240 which was literally

03:38:13.220 written ambiguously

03:38:14.600 it was written

03:38:15.100 purposely in that way

03:38:16.120 so that the Israelis 0.95

03:38:17.400 can stall for time

03:38:18.500 it wasn't until

03:38:19.640 they made a deal

03:38:20.280 with the Egyptians

03:38:21.380 in the Camp David Accords

03:38:22.320 in 1978

03:38:22.800 where they left

03:38:23.300 the Palestinians out completely 1.00

03:38:24.240 and they also left them

03:38:25.000 out in the 1967

03:38:25.840 242 plan as well

03:38:28.180 and then

03:38:29.920 it ended up happening

03:38:30.740 after 1967

03:38:31.500 they procured

03:38:32.420 a nuclear bomb

03:38:33.240 during this period of time

03:38:34.100 against the advice

03:38:35.360 of our president

03:38:36.300 former president

03:38:37.000 John F. Kennedy

03:38:37.520 which is another escalation

03:38:39.000 obviously the Yom Kippur war

03:38:40.700 happened

03:38:41.000 they threatened to use

03:38:41.560 a nuclear bomb

03:38:42.060 in there

03:38:42.360 once again

03:38:43.100 subverting the peace process

03:38:44.940 putting Nixon

03:38:45.860 in a very difficult spot

03:38:46.760 where we had to give them

03:38:47.420 the biggest airlift

03:38:48.020 so they can win

03:38:48.520 the Yom Kippur war

03:38:49.240 because they would have lost

03:38:49.920 then you fast forward

03:38:50.960 to 1993

03:38:52.180 with the Oslo Accords

03:38:53.020 Yasser Arafat conceded

03:38:54.340 and gave them the ability

03:38:55.400 to be recognized

03:38:56.820 as a state

03:38:57.300 their sovereignty

03:38:58.160 and denouncing violence

03:39:00.000 and the fact that Israel

03:39:01.380 has the right to exist

03:39:02.240 Yitzhak Rabin

03:39:03.340 all he gave them

03:39:03.860 in exchange

03:39:04.200 was the PA

03:39:05.100 which was nothing more

03:39:06.520 than a security force

03:39:07.500 that worked on behalf

03:39:08.260 of the Israeli government

03:39:09.060 in the Shin Bet

03:39:09.900 it ended up happening

03:39:11.300 after that

03:39:11.740 a year later

03:39:12.240 Yitzhak Rabin

03:39:12.780 gets assassinated

03:39:13.440 by a far right member

03:39:14.880 of the Likud party

03:39:15.700 Benjamin Netanyahu

03:39:16.640 takes power after that

03:39:17.640 the clean break memo

03:39:18.900 is written

03:39:19.180 where they write up

03:39:20.000 in our strategy

03:39:20.660 of how they're going

03:39:21.120 to take over

03:39:21.480 the Middle East

03:39:21.920 seven different countries

03:39:23.040 fast forward over

03:39:24.020 to the Camp David Accords

03:39:25.260 in 2000

03:39:25.800 that was a bullshit deal

03:39:26.940 the West Bank

03:39:27.840 was fractured

03:39:29.300 for the Palestinians

03:39:30.000 the Israelis

03:39:31.940 maintain all the main

03:39:33.200 resources

03:39:33.900 all the fertile ground

03:39:34.840 all the waterways

03:39:36.060 they control 60%

03:39:37.220 of the West Bank

03:39:37.740 they continue to expand it

03:39:38.940 in the time

03:39:39.600 that Yitzhak Rabin

03:39:40.320 was done

03:39:40.660 it was kicking the can 0.67

03:39:41.360 which would give them

03:39:42.300 more time to expand

03:39:43.060 because the Israelis

03:39:43.980 practice this very devious

03:39:45.260 tactic of facts

03:39:46.840 on the ground

03:39:47.320 which basically is

03:39:48.000 hey let's go ahead

03:39:48.800 and have a peace deal now

03:39:49.720 and then a year passes by

03:39:50.960 two years passes by

03:39:51.660 they expand

03:39:52.020 oh yeah well we can't

03:39:53.180 negotiate like that anymore

03:39:54.000 blah blah blah

03:39:54.400 and they've done this purposely

03:39:55.440 they always kick the can

03:39:56.180 down the road

03:39:56.580 and we know this

03:39:57.800 based off what's going on

03:39:58.800 in 2023

03:39:59.220 then you fast forward

03:40:00.200 in 2001

03:40:00.780 the war on terror

03:40:01.680 we know that was a lie

03:40:02.680 because PNAC

03:40:03.720 and the clean break memo

03:40:05.140 and the Jewish neocons

03:40:06.360 that ran our American

03:40:07.100 foreign policy

03:40:07.780 in the early 2000s

03:40:09.100 basically got us into

03:40:10.140 all with Saddam Hussein 0.95

03:40:11.000 and Iraq

03:40:11.800 which didn't benefit us

03:40:12.800 at all

03:40:13.060 once again subverting

03:40:14.100 the peace process

03:40:14.780 then we fast forward

03:40:15.720 into October 2023

03:40:16.880 we you know

03:40:18.380 many people think

03:40:19.180 that Benjamin Netanyahu

03:40:20.200 allowed the conflict

03:40:21.100 to happen

03:40:21.420 because he benefited

03:40:22.200 from it

03:40:22.680 he was able to invade

03:40:23.340 every country

03:40:23.760 he wanted to invade

03:40:24.400 he was able to operate

03:40:25.360 his Mossad operations

03:40:26.560 that he wanted to do

03:40:27.280 with Operation Rising Lines

03:40:28.560 Operation Pedro attack

03:40:29.760 and he was able

03:40:31.060 to keep himself

03:40:31.580 out of prison

03:40:31.980 I forgot to mention

03:40:32.600 that as well

03:40:33.080 he had quite a bit

03:40:34.300 to gain

03:40:34.720 from waging a war

03:40:35.800 on seven different fronts

03:40:36.600 and keep himself

03:40:37.260 out of prison

03:40:37.760 which he definitely

03:40:38.580 would have been convicted

03:40:39.220 of on the corruption trial

03:40:40.480 so and then they also

03:40:42.620 got the United States

03:40:44.100 to pull out of the JCPOA

03:40:45.440 once again subverting peace

03:40:47.120 by giving an enormous

03:40:48.640 amount of pressure

03:40:49.200 on Mike Pompeo

03:40:50.020 on Donald Trump

03:40:50.700 to pull him out

03:40:51.520 while simultaneously

03:40:52.600 maintaining an illegal

03:40:53.820 nuclear program

03:40:54.500 that they procured

03:40:55.300 at the

03:40:57.020 against the wishes

03:40:59.200 of our former president

03:41:00.140 John F. Kennedy

03:41:00.720 so that for all

03:41:02.260 those different reasons

03:41:03.000 which obviously

03:41:03.660 I'm summarizing

03:41:04.260 from a bird's eye view

03:41:05.180 here for all these reasons

03:41:06.280 this is why

03:41:07.160 Israel has been 1.00

03:41:08.140 the biggest obstacle

03:41:08.940 to peace in the region

03:41:09.960 by not giving

03:41:10.680 the Palestinians a state

03:41:11.500 and creating wars

03:41:12.420 all across the Middle East

03:41:13.400 up until this day

03:41:14.600 and refusing peace

03:41:15.540 up until the point

03:41:16.400 where they literally

03:41:17.020 bombed one of our

03:41:18.020 best allies

03:41:18.580 in the region

03:41:19.180 with our biggest

03:41:19.680 military base

03:41:20.280 once again subverting

03:41:21.300 American influence

03:41:22.440 in the region

03:41:22.940 embarrassing us

03:41:23.600 putting us

03:41:23.960 in a bad political space

03:41:24.900 because the Israelis

03:41:25.860 don't give a fuck

03:41:26.420 about peace

03:41:26.840 they just want war 0.97

03:41:27.820 and they want to have

03:41:28.620 the hegemony in the region

03:41:29.400 well thank you so much

03:41:32.220 for coming on

03:41:33.020 thanks for having me on bro

03:41:34.720 it was a good discussion

03:41:35.420 Destiny it's always good

03:41:36.160 to talk to you bro

03:41:36.660 yeah I appreciate

03:41:37.960 the conversation

03:41:38.380 alright

03:41:39.240 I'll stay on stream guys

03:41:41.540 but shout out to you guys

03:41:43.260 you guys want to shout out

03:41:44.060 your stuff

03:41:44.360 where people can find you

03:41:45.160 you can search up

03:41:47.440 Eli Hassel

03:41:49.000 on YouTube

03:41:50.440 I'm sure everyone knows

03:41:52.180 Destiny

03:41:52.580 yeah

03:41:53.780 youtube.com

03:41:54.340 slash Destiny

03:41:54.740 kick.com

03:41:55.200 slash Destiny

03:41:55.680 cool hot times

03:41:57.060 also your payment

03:41:58.920 thing

03:41:59.600 that people can

03:42:00.180 subscribe to you

03:42:00.980 yeah

03:42:01.540 where's your

03:42:01.880 yeah

03:42:02.180 destiny.g

03:42:03.500 okay cool

03:42:04.100 alright

03:42:04.760 have fun

03:42:05.840 thanks a lot

03:42:06.180 I'll see you guys later

03:42:06.700 later guys

03:42:07.120 peace

03:42:07.720 thank you so much

03:42:08.600 see ya

03:42:09.000 good time

03:42:09.480 alright

03:42:12.460 cool let me close

03:42:14.780 this out guys

03:42:15.500 give me one second

03:42:16.800 ninjas

03:42:17.120 I'll turn my camera on

03:42:18.660 what'd you guys think

03:42:20.500 did you guys enjoy that

03:42:21.300 good debate

03:42:22.540 alright

03:42:31.800 alright

03:42:31.880 alright

03:42:32.940 what'd you guys think

03:42:33.520 was that a good

03:42:33.940 discussion or what

03:42:34.740 was that a good

03:42:38.760 discussion

03:42:39.140 you guys enjoy that

03:42:39.860 one

03:42:40.020 let me uh

03:42:40.720 let me make sure

03:42:41.200 my mic is good

03:42:42.060 and shit 0.59

03:42:42.540 alright

03:42:44.060 hold on

03:42:44.680 is audio good

03:42:45.660 and stuff guys

03:42:46.260 I got this shit

03:42:46.900 on a whole other

03:42:47.620 thing

03:42:48.600 I don't know

03:42:48.860 if y'all heard

03:42:49.280 that's those

03:42:49.720 sound effects

03:42:50.260 or whatever

03:42:50.660 let me make sure

03:42:51.680 let me see

03:42:51.980 if you guys

03:42:52.240 can hear

03:42:52.580 yeah

03:42:53.460 looks like

03:42:53.780 you guys

03:42:54.000 can hear

03:42:54.240 that shit

03:42:54.640 okay

03:42:55.440 I gotta turn

03:42:55.960 my

03:42:56.200 my goddamn

03:42:57.160 headphones

03:42:57.560 on

03:42:57.840 alright

03:42:59.140 um

03:42:59.920 awesome

03:43:01.160 so

03:43:03.080 destiny

03:43:03.400 is suspicious

03:43:03.680 by that

03:43:04.060 yeah

03:43:04.440 hey man

03:43:05.680 I told you guys

03:43:06.560 bro

03:43:06.820 like

03:43:07.180 this is why

03:43:07.740 scientists don't

03:43:08.720 want to debate

03:43:09.100 me

03:43:09.220 because here's

03:43:09.520 the thing

03:43:09.740 destiny's very

03:43:10.340 smart bro

03:43:10.880 he knew a lot

03:43:11.880 more than other

03:43:12.340 people did

03:43:12.840 you know

03:43:13.920 he had a good

03:43:14.920 grasp of the

03:43:15.840 partition plan

03:43:16.500 the only thing

03:43:18.220 that he was wrong

03:43:18.800 about

03:43:19.100 uh

03:43:19.700 was the

03:43:20.340 um

03:43:20.840 was the whole

03:43:22.780 6% thing

03:43:23.620 like saying

03:43:24.200 that the

03:43:24.500 Israelis own 1.00

03:43:26.100 land

03:43:26.280 that's a

03:43:26.820 verifiable

03:43:27.320 lie

03:43:27.700 um

03:43:29.120 and I can

03:43:30.500 go ahead

03:43:30.840 and find

03:43:31.480 that for you

03:43:31.860 if you guys

03:43:32.220 want

03:43:32.680 here

03:43:33.920 let me

03:43:34.200 let me

03:43:34.440 go ahead

03:43:34.720 and find

03:43:34.980 it for y'all

03:43:35.400 because they

03:43:36.440 kept asking

03:43:36.860 me like

03:43:37.100 what was

03:43:37.320 my source

03:43:37.720 or whatever

03:43:38.040 so I'll

03:43:38.860 go ahead

03:43:39.080 and pull 0.59

03:43:39.300 it for

03:43:39.500 you guys

03:43:39.760 here in

03:43:39.980 a second

03:43:40.300 give me

03:43:40.560 one sec

03:43:41.080 but yeah

03:43:42.100 that was

03:43:42.400 like the

03:43:42.680 one thing

03:43:43.060 that they

03:43:43.300 kept

03:43:43.460 trying to

03:43:43.780 harp

03:43:43.980 on

03:43:44.140 and I

03:43:44.340 was

03:43:44.420 like

03:43:44.580 dude

03:43:44.820 like

03:43:45.420 the Israelis

03:43:45.980 didn't

03:43:46.300 own

03:43:46.660 any of

03:43:48.120 that

03:43:48.400 fucking

03:43:48.880 um

03:43:49.480 land

03:43:50.420 like

03:43:51.240 what

03:43:51.600 oh yeah

03:43:53.460 he was

03:43:53.700 checking

03:43:53.900 wikipedia

03:43:54.320 too right

03:43:54.700 yeah

03:43:54.900 dude

03:43:55.160 I didn't

03:43:55.540 I didn't

03:43:56.100 I literally

03:43:57.020 didn't search

03:43:57.580 anything

03:43:57.980 dude

03:43:58.260 I

03:43:58.960 that was

03:43:59.420 all guys

03:43:59.880 like me

03:44:00.220 just off

03:44:00.660 the top

03:44:01.080 and like

03:44:01.380 taking some

03:44:01.840 notes

03:44:02.140 like I'm

03:44:03.560 telling you

03:44:03.880 bro

03:44:04.040 like this

03:44:04.660 is what

03:44:04.920 I do

03:44:05.180 man

03:44:05.460 I might

03:44:06.800 have to

03:44:07.000 be the

03:44:07.380 uh

03:44:07.700 the

03:44:08.860 new

03:44:09.780 Palestine

03:44:10.220 defender

03:44:10.620 bro

03:44:10.880 so

03:44:12.440 I'm

03:44:13.320 gonna

03:44:13.440 read

03:44:13.620 some

03:44:13.740 chats

03:44:13.940 as

03:44:14.100 well

03:44:14.240 sorry

03:44:14.480 guys

03:44:14.680 I

03:44:14.840 didn't

03:44:15.260 mean

03:44:15.380 to

03:44:15.540 forget

03:44:15.880 about

03:44:16.200 the

03:44:16.380 chats

03:44:16.600 obviously

03:44:16.960 when

03:44:17.240 you're

03:44:18.000 in

03:44:18.220 the

03:44:18.320 mode

03:44:18.520 and

03:44:18.620 debating

03:44:18.900 you're

03:44:19.100 like

03:44:19.240 oh

03:44:19.420 shit

03:44:19.660 you

03:44:19.920 know

03:44:20.080 so

03:44:21.080 but

03:44:22.400 yeah

03:44:22.560 dude

03:44:22.760 like

03:44:23.080 look

03:44:24.580 man

03:44:24.860 like

03:44:26.160 here's

03:44:26.460 the other

03:44:26.640 thing

03:44:26.760 too

03:44:26.900 I gotta

03:44:27.160 let

03:44:27.420 you

03:44:27.520 guys

03:44:27.720 know

03:44:27.900 like

03:44:28.100 anyone

03:44:28.360 that's

03:44:28.660 Arab

03:44:28.960 right

03:44:29.580 you guys

03:44:29.800 know

03:44:29.900 my

03:44:30.020 family's

03:44:30.380 from

03:44:30.460 Sudan

03:44:30.700 bro

03:44:31.880 we

03:44:32.160 are

03:44:32.360 all

03:44:32.700 J-pilled

03:44:33.200 like

03:44:33.860 everybody

03:44:34.460 like

03:44:36.800 everybody

03:44:37.100 from that

03:44:37.480 part of

03:44:37.720 the world

03:44:37.960 is J-pilled

03:44:38.460 bro

03:44:38.740 you know

03:44:39.220 what I

03:44:39.340 mean

03:44:39.540 like

03:44:39.800 it is

03:44:40.300 what it

03:44:40.600 is

03:44:40.960 right

03:44:41.560 it's

03:44:41.760 just

03:44:41.880 the

03:44:42.020 reality

03:44:42.440 um

03:44:43.820 hold on

03:44:44.340 Chris

03:44:44.540 is calling

03:44:44.820 me

03:44:45.560 or

03:44:45.780 maybe

03:44:46.220 he's

03:44:46.340 not

03:44:46.460 calling

03:44:46.680 me

03:44:47.240 I

03:44:48.880 don't

03:44:48.920 know

03:44:49.000 why

03:44:49.100 this

03:44:49.180 nigga 1.00

03:44:49.280 is

03:44:49.380 calling

03:44:49.540 me

03:44:49.760 alright

03:44:50.280 um

03:44:51.280 but

03:44:52.320 yeah

03:44:52.420 we

03:44:52.560 can

03:44:52.700 go ahead

03:44:53.040 and

03:44:53.280 um

03:44:53.700 go

03:44:54.400 through

03:44:54.600 some

03:44:54.880 of

03:44:55.000 the

03:44:55.340 uh

03:44:57.140 the

03:44:58.400 fact

03:44:58.680 checking

03:44:58.980 and

03:44:59.180 shit

03:44:59.400 but

03:45:01.140 it was

03:45:01.280 a good

03:45:01.420 discussion

03:45:01.860 it was

03:45:02.960 a good

03:45:03.120 discussion

03:45:03.580 alright

03:45:07.080 let me

03:45:07.420 look

03:45:07.680 here

03:45:08.860 alright

03:45:17.860 um

03:45:23.260 okay

03:45:23.720 but

03:45:23.880 I'm

03:45:24.020 gonna

03:45:24.120 read

03:45:24.300 some

03:45:24.440 chats

03:45:24.680 here

03:45:24.880 okay

03:45:25.300 um

03:45:26.200 BP

03:45:26.620 Rocket

03:45:27.040 subscribe

03:45:27.580 shout

03:45:27.860 out

03:45:27.980 to

03:45:28.080 you

03:45:28.220 bro

03:45:28.400 um

03:45:29.540 hold on

03:45:30.500 welcome

03:45:33.480 to the

03:45:33.780 OSS

03:45:34.320 uh

03:45:34.960 Mike

03:45:35.160 Ox

03:45:35.420 says

03:45:35.600 the further

03:45:35.960 you go

03:45:36.220 down

03:45:36.380 the rabbit

03:45:36.700 hole

03:45:36.980 uh

03:45:37.400 the T

03:45:37.700 the rabbit

03:45:38.080 slowly

03:45:38.420 goes

03:45:38.640 silent

03:45:38.920 facts

03:45:39.320 God

03:45:39.940 says

03:45:40.220 W

03:45:40.420 for

03:45:40.620 winning

03:45:40.820 but

03:45:40.980 Destiny

03:45:41.200 definitely

03:45:41.460 just argues

03:45:41.920 for the sake

03:45:42.280 of arguing

03:45:42.500 he got

03:45:42.800 cooked

03:45:43.040 okay

03:45:43.400 you guys

03:45:43.900 think I

03:45:44.120 won

03:45:44.340 uh

03:45:45.060 Destiny

03:45:45.260 got

03:45:45.460 cooked

03:45:45.640 well

03:45:45.820 done

03:45:46.020 emotional

03:45:46.420 motherfucker

03:45:46.860 W

03:45:47.220 chef

03:45:47.500 Myron

03:45:47.780 L

03:45:47.960 moderator

03:45:48.340 all good

03:45:49.360 um

03:45:50.120 Israel

03:45:50.400 killed

03:45:50.620 four

03:45:50.800 Americans

03:45:51.080 today

03:45:51.260 I'm

03:45:51.400 tired

03:45:51.540 of

03:45:51.620 the

03:45:51.720 fucking

03:45:51.880 parasites

03:45:52.240 bro

03:45:52.560 I'm

03:45:52.700 telling

03:45:52.860 you man

03:45:53.100 these

03:45:53.240 niggas 1.00

03:45:53.420 are

03:45:53.520 the

03:45:53.620 worst

03:45:53.860 WED

03:45:54.640 uh

03:45:54.960 good work

03:45:55.360 Myron

03:45:55.580 you're

03:45:55.700 going to

03:45:55.920 cook

03:45:56.060 these

03:45:56.220 college

03:45:56.480 kids

03:45:56.640 when you

03:45:56.840 go to

03:45:57.040 college

03:45:57.240 campuses

03:45:57.560 bro

03:45:57.780 I'm

03:45:57.900 telling

03:45:58.100 you man

03:45:58.400 I am

03:45:59.340 the

03:45:59.480 Zionist 1.00

03:45:59.820 destroyer

03:46:00.240 bro

03:46:00.500 I'm

03:46:02.500 the

03:46:02.620 and here's

03:46:03.060 the thing

03:46:03.300 like I'm

03:46:04.200 not even

03:46:04.500 like really

03:46:05.100 like

03:46:06.400 I just

03:46:07.760 know the

03:46:08.080 truth

03:46:08.400 Rambo

03:46:10.120 says

03:46:10.320 I just

03:46:10.560 got here

03:46:10.860 what did

03:46:11.220 uh

03:46:11.560 do

03:46:11.680 Destiny

03:46:12.140 looks

03:46:12.380 defeated

03:46:12.700 hey man

03:46:13.300 I don't

03:46:14.500 think he

03:46:14.820 he was

03:46:15.340 prepared

03:46:15.700 for that

03:46:16.440 I ain't gonna

03:46:17.020 lie

03:46:17.220 Ken Rose

03:46:17.900 with five

03:46:18.220 bucks

03:46:18.420 appreciate

03:46:18.760 that

03:46:19.020 bro

03:46:19.200 thank you

03:46:20.080 so much

03:46:20.500 um

03:46:21.880 let me

03:46:22.760 close some

03:46:23.560 of these

03:46:24.060 tabs here

03:46:25.320 real quick

03:46:25.980 um

03:46:27.200 let me make

03:46:28.000 sure I

03:46:28.280 didn't miss

03:46:28.660 any of

03:46:28.920 you guys

03:46:29.240 chats

03:46:29.720 um

03:46:31.660 okay

03:46:34.120 shout out

03:46:35.640 to the OSS

03:46:36.060 guys I

03:46:36.640 read all

03:46:37.120 OSS chats

03:46:37.800 so make

03:46:38.360 sure you

03:46:38.620 get in the

03:46:38.900 OSS man

03:46:39.540 I read

03:46:40.040 all of

03:46:40.400 them

03:46:40.580 so I'm

03:46:41.840 going through

03:46:42.200 right now

03:46:42.580 and reading

03:46:42.880 them for

03:46:43.220 you guys

03:46:43.640 um

03:46:44.840 okay

03:46:45.240 here

03:46:46.020 man

03:46:46.240 uh

03:46:46.620 there's a

03:46:47.000 shooting in

03:46:47.360 my

03:46:47.500 town

03:46:47.800 crazy

03:46:48.120 I was

03:46:48.420 just

03:46:48.560 there

03:46:48.720 and her

03:46:48.960 pops

03:46:49.240 kind

03:46:49.440 of

03:46:49.520 freaking

03:46:49.720 out

03:46:49.940 that's

03:46:50.180 from

03:46:50.320 Lopez

03:46:50.680 Mayo

03:46:50.960 okay

03:46:51.900 Lopez

03:46:52.220 Mayo

03:46:52.420 send me

03:46:52.680 your

03:46:52.820 town

03:46:53.020 name

03:46:53.300 WSS

03:46:54.220 the funny

03:46:54.480 thing

03:46:54.760 this is a

03:46:55.960 funny video

03:46:56.380 about some

03:46:56.720 use of

03:46:56.980 roasting

03:46:57.260 Jonathan

03:46:57.600 Connor

03:46:57.880 kiss on

03:46:58.220 the boys

03:46:58.540 on Piers

03:46:58.880 Morgan

03:46:59.100 show

03:46:59.420 think it'll

03:47:00.100 be fun

03:47:00.460 I'll be

03:47:00.720 willing to

03:47:01.040 get roasted

03:47:01.440 by the

03:47:01.700 chat

03:47:01.960 okay

03:47:02.700 Drewski

03:47:03.080 audio is

03:47:03.560 good

03:47:03.700 slight

03:47:03.920 echo

03:47:04.180 on your

03:47:04.420 voice

03:47:04.700 TPC

03:47:05.380 Films

03:47:05.720 I think

03:47:06.020 this

03:47:06.180 sums up

03:47:06.600 your

03:47:06.700 whole

03:47:06.860 argument

03:47:07.180 with

03:47:07.420 Destiny

03:47:07.700 who

03:47:07.860 probably

03:47:08.140 is

03:47:08.260 going to

03:47:08.500 call you

03:47:08.920 or say

03:47:09.340 you're

03:47:09.460 an

03:47:09.540 anti

03:47:09.680 semi

03:47:09.900 no

03:47:10.160 he

03:47:10.280 didn't

03:47:10.400 do

03:47:10.500 that

03:47:10.740 Destiny

03:47:11.420 did a

03:47:12.040 good

03:47:12.140 job

03:47:12.460 Casual

03:47:13.380 Club

03:47:13.540 says

03:47:13.720 not trying

03:47:14.040 to derail

03:47:14.320 the show

03:47:14.600 got you

03:47:14.920 in my

03:47:15.060 air

03:47:15.160 appreciate

03:47:15.420 you bro

03:47:15.800 Oscar

03:47:16.500 says

03:47:16.780 I don't

03:47:17.160 know

03:47:17.300 if y'all

03:47:17.560 noticed

03:47:17.820 but every

03:47:18.240 time

03:47:18.500 Myron

03:47:18.720 starts

03:47:18.960 cooking

03:47:19.200 Destiny

03:47:19.460 interrupts

03:47:19.920 yeah

03:47:20.120 Padawan

03:47:21.520 Slayer

03:47:21.760 you can

03:47:22.480 end

03:47:22.620 Destiny

03:47:22.840 by reading

03:47:23.220 Jewish

03:47:23.520 Encyclopedia

03:47:24.000 1925

03:47:24.620 well

03:47:25.220 yeah

03:47:25.740 SS

03:47:27.420 Dom

03:47:27.740 Jays

03:47:28.280 are the

03:47:28.480 only

03:47:28.680 set

03:47:29.420 of

03:47:29.580 people

03:47:29.800 on

03:47:29.980 planet

03:47:30.280 that

03:47:30.700 yeah

03:47:39.380 that's

03:47:39.620 true

03:47:39.800 TNS

03:47:40.500 Graper

03:47:40.760 says

03:47:40.980 the framing

03:47:41.340 should be

03:47:41.780 can Israel 0.50

03:47:42.340 give the

03:47:43.160 Palestinians

03:47:43.460 a fair

03:47:43.780 peace

03:47:44.020 offer

03:47:44.260 that's

03:47:44.500 in good

03:47:44.700 faith

03:47:44.940 well

03:47:47.480 I went

03:47:47.660 over

03:47:47.800 that

03:47:48.600 Jail

03:47:50.040 says

03:47:50.340 Destiny

03:47:50.580 is one

03:47:50.840 of those

03:47:51.020 people

03:47:51.160 that doesn't

03:47:51.560 know

03:47:51.720 what's

03:47:51.980 going

03:47:52.140 on

03:47:52.400 then

03:47:52.580 when

03:47:52.680 you

03:47:52.760 explain

03:47:53.000 it

03:47:53.100 to

03:47:53.220 him

03:47:53.360 he

03:47:53.500 acts

03:47:53.720 like

03:47:53.840 he

03:47:53.940 knows

03:47:54.120 it

03:47:54.240 all

03:47:54.420 yeah

03:47:54.760 TJ

03:47:56.080 says

03:47:56.460 tell

03:47:56.840 them

03:47:56.960 about

03:47:57.140 how

03:47:57.300 months

03:47:58.340 before

03:47:58.840 Rabbin's 1.00

03:48:00.620 death

03:48:00.780 and

03:48:00.860 yeah

03:48:01.100 I was

03:48:01.280 doing

03:48:01.500 mock

03:48:02.160 funerals

03:48:02.620 of Rabbin

03:48:03.040 like

03:48:03.260 it was

03:48:03.540 fucking

03:48:03.760 funny

03:48:03.980 oh I

03:48:04.200 didn't

03:48:04.300 know

03:48:04.400 that

03:48:04.720 Mike

03:48:05.580 Oxlong

03:48:06.140 says

03:48:06.360 the further

03:48:06.680 you go

03:48:06.920 down

03:48:07.060 to

03:48:07.140 Rabbin's 1.00

03:48:07.380 yep

03:48:07.560 okay

03:48:07.860 caught up

03:48:08.200 on there

03:48:08.640 okay

03:48:09.320 Myron

03:48:09.700 will you

03:48:10.020 verify this

03:48:10.700 breaking

03:48:11.060 news

03:48:11.860 Florida

03:48:12.300 rolls out

03:48:12.680 new

03:48:12.820 license

03:48:13.080 yeah

03:48:13.280 that is

03:48:13.560 true

03:48:13.700 bro

03:48:13.920 Penn

03:48:14.540 that is

03:48:14.840 true

03:48:15.140 Ken

03:48:16.240 Rose

03:48:16.540 thank you

03:48:17.680 Rabbin's 1.00

03:48:18.940 says

03:48:19.140 I just

03:48:19.420 got here

03:48:19.780 what did

03:48:20.180 you do

03:48:20.420 to

03:48:20.520 Destiny

03:48:20.780 looks

03:48:21.020 okay

03:48:21.380 we're

03:48:21.920 caught

03:48:22.040 up

03:48:22.140 on

03:48:22.260 chats

03:48:22.480 awesome

03:48:22.920 all right

03:48:25.160 let me

03:48:25.380 make

03:48:25.620 sure

03:48:26.100 guys

03:48:26.860 are we

03:48:27.060 good

03:48:27.220 am I

03:48:27.480 lagging

03:48:28.180 on any

03:48:29.020 of these

03:48:29.340 platforms

03:48:29.880 are we

03:48:30.220 good

03:48:30.440 are we

03:48:46.040 good

03:48:46.180 guys

03:48:52.920 we're

03:48:53.900 not

03:48:54.020 lagging

03:48:54.360 okay

03:48:54.800 cool

03:48:56.180 I think

03:48:58.960 I might

03:48:59.260 switch off

03:48:59.680 YouTube

03:48:59.940 and go

03:49:00.320 and just

03:49:00.640 go

03:49:00.960 just go

03:49:04.040 rumble

03:49:05.260 and kick 0.85

03:49:05.940 give me

03:49:06.820 one sec

03:49:07.280 guys

03:49:07.580 we'll see

03:49:07.980 here

03:49:08.260 let me

03:49:09.540 double check

03:49:10.040 though

03:49:10.360 hold on

03:49:14.600 but in

03:49:16.560 the meantime

03:49:16.880 let me show

03:49:17.300 you guys

03:49:17.540 this video

03:49:17.960 to show

03:49:19.220 you guys

03:49:19.480 what I'm

03:49:19.700 talking about

03:49:20.120 here

03:49:20.360 because a

03:49:21.340 lot of

03:49:21.560 people don't

03:49:21.940 believe me

03:49:22.260 with this

03:49:22.600 shit

03:49:22.740 so let me

03:49:23.020 show y'all

03:49:23.300 this real

03:49:23.660 quick

03:49:23.980 shout out

03:49:26.940 to this

03:49:27.180 channel

03:49:27.460 very good

03:49:29.100 channel

03:49:29.360 here

03:49:29.640 it's

03:49:30.240 called

03:49:31.400 overzealots

03:49:33.540 very good

03:49:35.360 channel

03:49:36.900 that covers

03:49:37.580 this

03:49:37.920 stuff

03:49:38.520 hold on

03:49:45.140 here let me

03:49:49.560 find this

03:49:49.960 real real

03:49:50.400 quick

03:49:50.720 let's

03:49:52.740 let's go

03:49:52.840 to the

03:49:53.060 partition

03:49:53.400 plan

03:49:53.880 why it

03:49:58.320 was

03:49:58.440 bullshit

03:49:58.840 okay

03:50:01.180 time to

03:50:14.620 time to

03:50:14.640 time to the

03:50:14.780 1947

03:50:15.660 UN partition

03:50:16.780 plan

03:50:17.260 general

03:50:17.880 all right

03:50:18.540 so

03:50:18.940 this is good

03:50:20.180 and it comes

03:50:20.500 with sources

03:50:20.900 as well

03:50:21.300 assembly

03:50:22.800 assembly resolution

03:50:23.320 181 which

03:50:24.620 proposed splitting

03:50:25.500 the land into a

03:50:26.360 Jewish and a

03:50:27.000 Palestinian state

03:50:27.900 this is viewed by

03:50:28.760 many as one of the

03:50:29.700 first main peace

03:50:30.720 attempts between the

03:50:31.640 indigenous Palestinians

03:50:32.660 and the European

03:50:33.820 Zionist settlers 0.99

03:50:34.800 to really understand the

03:50:36.140 politics surrounding this

03:50:37.420 partition plan we need to

03:50:39.000 look at the events that

03:50:39.780 led up to it

03:50:40.560 Zionists had been 1.00

03:50:41.780 settling and colonizing

03:50:42.960 Palestine for decades by 0.94

03:50:44.340 that point

03:50:44.800 they pushed

03:50:45.340 Palestinians into economic 1.00

03:50:46.760 subjugation

03:50:47.600 banned their labor and

03:50:48.980 goods from the market

03:50:49.860 promoted exclusive Hebrew

03:50:51.700 labor bought up land and

03:50:53.540 evicted Palestinians from 0.99

03:50:54.920 places they'd lived and

03:50:56.160 worked for generations

03:50:57.360 so right from the jump

03:50:58.900 Palestinians had every 0.98

03:51:00.640 right to reject any

03:51:01.900 partition of their land

03:51:03.020 especially one as

03:51:04.160 blatantly unfair as the

03:51:05.640 1947 UN partition plan

03:51:07.800 and we'll break down why

03:51:09.660 exactly it was so unjust

03:51:11.340 in a minute

03:51:11.940 Palestinians at the time

03:51:13.380 rightfully viewed the

03:51:14.620 Zionist settlers as

03:51:15.800 hostile and invaders

03:51:17.280 to be sure at first

03:51:18.340 yeah I mean they

03:51:19.940 they straight up just took

03:51:21.140 their fucking land bro I 1.00

03:51:22.260 mean and this is the

03:51:23.320 thing too that no one

03:51:24.080 ever like thinks about

03:51:24.920 like yo you got these

03:51:26.300 fucking settlers coming

03:51:27.540 in and like taking your

03:51:29.520 land and like killing you 0.54

03:51:30.600 as well it's like why

03:51:32.120 would you like negotiate

03:51:33.760 with these people or why

03:51:34.660 would you even give them

03:51:35.460 any of your land that's

03:51:36.560 the analogy I always give

03:51:37.420 is like if you let someone

03:51:38.980 into your house as a guest

03:51:39.840 right and then they come

03:51:41.120 in and they say all right

03:51:41.920 bro I'm taking out the 0.99

03:51:42.600 master bedroom and shit like 0.90

03:51:43.500 that you'd be like what

03:51:44.120 the fuck like hell nah and 0.94

03:51:46.440 you will fight to get your

03:51:47.180 shit back right but for

03:51:48.700 some odd reason it's like

03:51:49.600 oh yeah no they're

03:51:50.160 supposed to concede and

03:51:50.880 just like let these

03:51:51.580 Israelis take their shit 1.00

03:51:52.660 nah bro hell no of course

03:51:54.640 they're gonna fight what

03:51:55.980 the hell so um anyway uh

03:52:01.080 yeah let's go ahead guys

03:52:02.180 let's go ahead and switch

03:52:03.140 over to uh rumble and

03:52:04.280 kick so I don't have to

03:52:05.860 like fucking uh censor

03:52:07.200 myself so we can really

03:52:07.960 get into fact checking

03:52:09.340 some of this shit because 0.69

03:52:10.680 you guys know how fucking 0.93

03:52:11.780 YouTube is so let me go

03:52:13.560 ahead and give you guys

03:52:14.240 the uh rumble and kick

03:52:15.360 link can you guys uh jump

03:52:18.000 in rumble and kick link

03:52:20.000 man come on over guys

03:52:20.960 uh mods can you spam it

03:52:22.800 in there for them yeah of

03:52:25.740 course YouTube is gonna

03:52:26.360 unsubscribe you guys

03:52:27.180 because fucking YouTube is

03:52:28.440 bullshit bro it's the worst

03:52:29.920 app ever

03:52:30.380 you don't even get me

03:52:34.540 started on YouTube how

03:52:35.280 they fucking um rob me and 0.95

03:52:37.460 shit so yeah let me go

03:52:40.600 ahead and give you guys the

03:52:41.580 rumble link and the kick 0.82

03:52:43.840 link kink is uh kick.com

03:52:45.280 slash myron gains x there's

03:52:47.720 the rumble link can uh

03:52:48.760 mods can you drop both

03:52:49.620 links okay cha-ching 0.51

03:52:50.400 panther shout out to you

03:52:51.200 thank you for that all

03:52:53.120 right guys I'm I'm pinning

03:52:54.860 um cha-ching panther's link

03:52:58.340 here or the yeah his thing

03:53:00.660 this three has both links

03:53:03.020 here or no it has the

03:53:04.580 rumble well it has the

03:53:05.600 rumble link in the in the

03:53:06.800 kick link but there you go

03:53:08.180 guys come on over guys

03:53:10.120 kick or rumble one of the

03:53:12.380 two

03:53:12.560 come on over ninjas I am

03:53:16.220 getting off of um I am

03:53:18.380 getting off of fucking

03:53:19.420 YouTube hate this god

03:53:21.880 forsaken app so come on

03:53:24.280 over ninjas come on over

03:53:28.160 ending this shit now and in 0.96

03:53:32.420 YouTube stream

03:53:32.980 for obvious reasons because

03:53:39.460 we're about to get into some

03:53:40.420 of the fact checking and

03:53:41.200 shit like that and once I 0.76

03:53:42.520 get into the JFK stuff I

03:53:43.580 don't like talking about the

03:53:44.180 JFK shit on YouTube for

03:53:45.420 obvious reasons so smash the

03:53:47.560 like button for me guys

03:53:48.380 smash that like button for me

03:53:50.260 and then come on over to

03:53:51.420 kick and rumble in the

03:53:52.320 meantime smash that like

03:53:54.240 button for me before you

03:53:54.980 come over I'd really

03:53:56.020 appreciate that helps with

03:53:58.000 the uh helps with growing the

03:53:59.880 channel so that more people

03:54:01.260 can fucking find this shit

03:54:02.600 we can cook keep cooking

03:54:04.080 these motherfuckers and 1.00

03:54:05.720 before I go over you guys

03:54:07.180 already know what time it

03:54:07.940 is man we gotta we gotta

03:54:09.220 play a

03:54:09.680 we gotta play a victory lap

03:54:13.420 song baby

03:54:14.120 I need those all slashes in a

03:54:23.260 chat for the victory also

03:54:24.620 we're going over to rumble and

03:54:26.480 kick let's go baby all right 1.00

03:54:27.980 you niggas know what time it 1.00

03:54:28.800 is we got the anthem on all

03:54:29.880 slashes in a chat let's go

03:54:31.040 it's about to get real you

03:54:48.840 know what time it is niggas 0.98

03:54:49.880 let's go fuck YouTube

03:54:52.660 these motherfuckers man we're 1.00

03:54:57.580 getting off YouTube come on

03:54:58.440 over kick and rumble guys 1.00

03:54:59.840 kick.com slash myringainsx

03:55:01.580 rumble.com slash myringainsx

03:55:03.340 come on over links are pinned

03:55:05.020 in the fucking chat mod spam the 0.99

03:55:07.200 fucking links spam the links in 0.95

03:55:09.540 there so these niggas leave 1.00

03:55:10.300 fucking YouTube you guys know 0.88

03:55:11.920 what time it is let's go

03:55:12.660 we're gonna cover some uh we're

03:55:17.960 gonna fact check some of the

03:55:18.800 debate points and then we're

03:55:19.840 also gonna cover about some you

03:55:21.120 know conspiracies that we can't

03:55:22.740 talk about YouTube like JFK for

03:55:24.040 example

03:55:24.360 YouTube's going down right now

03:55:43.820 kick.com slash myringainsx rumble.com

03:55:45.860 slash myringainsx this time to cook 1.00

03:55:47.180 niggas 1.00

03:55:47.480 niggas 1.00

03:55:47.500 niggas 1.00

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - September 22, 2025

DEBATE： Who Is A Bigger Obstacle To Peace？ Israelis Or Palestinians？ Destiny vs Myron!

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