In this episode, I sit down with Scott Horton, Director of the Libertarian Institute and Founder of the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom, to discuss Iran. Scott has been a long time supporter of the Ron Paul campaign and has been involved in the anti-war movement since the early 1980s. He is also the author of a number of books on foreign policy, including "Propelled" and "Enough Already" and is a regular contributor to the antiwar site Antiwar.org.
00:05:06.520Provoked is about the American empire in Eastern Europe and the war in Ukraine.
00:05:12.220And then Enough Already is the one on the Middle East that basically takes you from Jimmy Carter through Donald Trump's first term on the terror wars.
00:05:20.920Yeah, and I'm a big supporter of both those books.
00:05:24.460I think you bring a different and very fresh perspective
00:05:27.240in a very neocon-driven foreign policy country.
00:05:33.160But yeah, if you could kind of just take us through
00:05:50.920All right. Well, I mean, it depends on how far you want to zoom in or out on it. But I guess I can try to do like the fast-ish version of this is America became really the world empire after the Second World War.
00:06:08.840and the communists got like a third of the world
00:19:04.000You're talking about the Iran-Contra deal.
00:19:05.580Yes. And so they were selling missiles to Iran in in order to also then get the hostages released to or to make it easier in the negotiations to get the hostages released, which I'm not sure even worked at all.
00:19:18.820And then they took the extra money. The reason it's called the Iran Contras is because they took the extra profits from the arms sales and funneled that to the Contras in Nicaragua, who were fighting to overthrow the Kami Sandinista government there.
00:19:31.680And that was what ended up blowing up into the giant scandals, how it broke out.
00:19:36.260But anyway, by the way, when they are sending the missiles to Iran, it was really the Israelis who were sending them the missiles.0.64
00:19:43.920And then America was paying them back with more missiles.0.81
00:19:46.380The Israelis were the cutout because, crucially here, the Israelis kept their relationship with Iran the whole time.0.58
00:20:08.060But don't let me get too far ahead of the story.
00:20:09.780So, America won. America supported the coup and the fascists in 53 that led to the revolution of 79, which they initially supported and then wished they didn't. Oh, boy. So then they supported Saddam Hussein in his invasion and his eight-year-long war against Iran.
00:20:29.560Now, at the end of that war, it was basically a ceasefire and a stalemate, and they just stopped it, and the border remained unchanged after all of that.
00:20:38.320But at the end of the war, Saddam Hussein was bankrupt, and he owed billions of dollars to Kuwait, UAE, and Saudi Arabia, and oil was trading at $12 a barrel at the time.
00:20:49.640So he couldn't rebuild his country, and he couldn't repay his debts.
00:20:53.300And on top of that, the Kuwaitis were slant drilling or at least overproducing from shared oil wells on the Iraq-Kuwait border in the Rumelia oil field there.
00:21:03.720And so, and I think this was not a big conspiracy.0.99
00:21:06.840I think this was just a cock up, like stupid left hand, right hand, know what they're doing kind of thing.0.98
00:21:12.540Because what happened was, is CIA and CENTCOM were telling the Kuwaitis to be intransigent towards Saddam Hussein and demand, you know, call in their loans and make all their demands and be insulting about it.0.99
00:21:24.740The State Department was telling Saddam Hussein, you don't have to take that guff from them.0.86
00:21:28.960If I were you, I'd break their legs.0.65
00:21:30.460What's the, what are you waiting for?0.97
00:21:34.480And then, but at the Defense Department, Dick Cheney was then the Secretary of Defense.
00:21:38.460we're talking about bush senior now 1990 the uh and his deputy was paul wolfowitz was deputy
00:21:46.240secretary of defense for policy and and he was paranoid about iraq and did not want this to
00:21:51.000happen and they sent a strongly worded letter to saddam and or they had bush senior write one
00:21:56.420but then it turned out it wasn't word worded strongly enough and they were afraid it would
00:22:00.420also be it would look like a green light or a yellow light just like the state department had
00:22:04.900given him so they tried to send a second letter but it was too late and so saddam went ahead and
00:22:09.900invaded kuwait and then while he was at it it was really easy so he didn't just take the northern
00:22:14.520oil fields he conquered the whole country and like the american ambassador i'm sorry no he did it in
00:22:19.920like 24 hours it was actually that's right how fast he got he took it over yep and so marched
00:22:24.640all the way to see hell i can see it from here why stop now right so and then april glaspie the
00:22:29.560american ambassador even admitted to the new york times she said well we didn't think he was going
00:22:33.080to take the whole country, right? They're giving him a green light to take just the northern oil
00:22:38.500fields. And then he got carried away. But really, it was the British who insisted we intervene.
00:22:42.720And once Margaret Thatcher called out H.W. Bush, then he felt like he had to go to war. And so he
00:22:48.040did and refused to negotiate Iraq's exit in good faith, which he could have. And then they launched0.91
00:22:53.780Iraq War I, crucially, okay? Operation Desert Storm, Operation Yellow Ribbon, Operation Country
00:23:00.560music song just produced and put out to tell you how great this is we beat the vietnam syndrome
00:23:06.180we launched this hugely successful war we bombed them for four weeks and we invaded for 100 hours0.92
00:23:12.680and that was the end of that boy we whooped them good everybody felt so good about the great war0.99
00:23:18.300except it wasn't so short and sweet was it because we've been bombing iraq for 35 years since then
00:23:25.400Yeah. No exaggeration, literally. And the reason why is because just like with all of these things, each crisis then becomes the cause of the next crisis and the excuse for the next intervention, which causes the next crisis and the next crisis and the excuse for the next intervention.0.54
00:23:42.100And so because we helped Saddam go so far into debt with these Gulf states, we helped cause Iraq War I.0.84
00:23:50.540And then because we caused Iraq War I, then we also encouraged the Shiite uprising.0.74
00:23:56.040Bush Sr.'s government encouraged the Shiites and the Kurds to rise up against Saddam Hussein.
00:24:01.160But remember, the reason he launched the Iran-Iraq war, the war before last,
00:24:06.400was because he was worried about the Iraqi Shiites aligning with Iran and turning on him.0.79
00:24:11.740Well, now America was helping the Iraqi Shiites do just that.0.53
00:24:15.840But the problem is, these were the Reaganites, right?0.94
00:24:18.940This was Reagan's third term under Bush Sr., and these were all the same men who worked
00:24:22.800for him, including Bush Sr., had been his vice president.
00:24:25.600So these guys looked at it and they went, oh no, we literally just spent eight years
00:24:32.100supporting Saddam's war to contain the Iranian revolution.
00:24:36.360Now we are literally the ones importing it into Iraq.0.54
00:24:40.320And there were, in fact, Iraqis who had chosen Iran's side 10 years before were now coming across the border to lead the insurrection.
00:24:48.620And so that was why even though George Bush Sr. encouraged the Shiites and the Kurds to rise up, he then allowed Saddam Hussein to keep his tanks and helicopters and crush the revolt and killed like 100,000 people to do it.
00:25:01.460and so this is like a the bay of pigs of cuba right this huge betrayal we sent all these people
00:25:07.400in just to be slaughtered without the support which we shouldn't have done in the first place
00:25:11.060but anyway i'm not saying support them i'm saying don't don't promise playing both sides essentially
00:25:15.740like we were we were helping obviously saddam hussein but at the same time we were also you
00:25:20.360know helping the iranians in other roundabout ways and so at this point america was in this
00:25:30.160position where, first of all, they had this excuse to stay in Saudi Arabia. It was to protect
00:25:34.500the Shiites there, right? And then also the Israelis were upset. And now we had beaten up
00:25:41.540on Iraq enough that they weren't really as strong as they were before to balance against Iran.0.63
00:25:47.020So then the Israelis in the new Bill Clinton administration in the early 1990s, in 1993,
00:25:52.440in fact, in his first year in power, they insisted, they now changed their strategy
00:25:56.680and said, we want to be enemies with Iran, and we demand you be enemies with Iran too,
00:26:00.960and that you stay in Saudi Arabia in order to balance and blockade, well, blockade Iraq0.68
00:26:09.280and put balance against Iran and Iraq, both from these permanent bases in Saudi Arabia,
00:26:15.300using the excuse of protecting the Iraqi Shia and Kurds from Saddam Hussein.
00:26:20.640This was what they called dual containment, and it was a policy born in Tel Aviv.
00:26:24.840And this was the leading cause of motivating the Mujahideen that they had supported in the Afghan war.
00:26:32.200And I don't mean the Afghans, but the international Arab Islamic brigades who had gone to fight in the Afghan war.0.62
00:26:37.780That's what turned them against the United States.0.68
00:26:40.560And just leaving all trutherism aside for the sake of this conversation, Bill Clinton did support the Bin Ladenites in Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya,0.92
00:26:49.440even as they were already attacking us all through the 1990s, trying to provoke America into0.91
00:26:55.840launching a cataclysmic war in the Middle East, which they ended up succeeding in doing. And it0.97
00:27:02.100was American combat forces stationed in Saudi Arabia was the number one issue. And they were
00:27:08.280there to bomb Iraq and blockade Iraq, the number two issue. And then right there tied in third0.98
00:27:14.720place then was American support for Israel and their cruelty against the Palestinians and the
00:27:20.340Lebanese. And as Michael Scheuer from the former CIA bin Laden unit chief had pointed out that all
00:27:27.840of Osama bin Laden's recruitment shtick focused on specific American foreign policies, like support
00:27:35.600for Israel, support for dictatorships, bombing Iraq from bases in Saudi, this holy Arabian
00:27:41.040peninsula and all these things. And then that was how he recruited people to join the war against0.55
00:27:45.680the United States, was based on these issues. And to focus back on Israel again for a second here,
00:27:53.060it was Yitzhak Rabin, the labor leader in the early 1990s who did Oslo. He was the one who
00:28:00.480shook hands with Arafat on the White House lawn. He went to Oslo and they started on the peace
00:28:04.540process for a two-state solution. Now, don't be naive and I'm not naive. They weren't looking
00:28:09.460for a real state, but it was going to be something a hell of a lot better than the occupation the
00:28:13.960Palestinians have suffered ever since then, that's for sure. And Rabin's point was he wanted to make
00:28:19.720friends with the local Sunni Arab states and demonize other states on the outskirts. This was
00:28:30.800the reversal of the so-called periphery doctrine, where they said, we want to support Turkey, Iran,
00:28:36.420and Ethiopia to divide Syria, Iraq, and Egypt's attentions, right? And Rabin said, no, we don't
00:28:44.220want to do that. We want to deal with the Arabs, but we got to deal with the Palestinians first.1.00
00:28:49.380But look, Iran, and that was his way of dealing with the politics of trying to compromise with0.94
00:28:56.420the Palestinians. But then a Likudnik, a Netanyahu fan, shot Rabin in the back in 1995, and his
00:29:03.780sidekick, Shimon Peres, took over shortly after that. And part of proving what a tough guy he was
00:29:10.820is he did the same thing about demonizing Iran. And as part of that, invaded Lebanon in Operation
00:29:17.820Grapes of Wrath in 1996. And this is crucial because the lead September 11th hijacker,
00:29:26.400Mohammed Atta, and his buddy, Ramzi bin al-Shib, they were Egyptian engineering students studying
00:29:31.620in hamburg germany at the time and when shimon perez invaded lebanon they signed their last will
00:29:37.400and testament which all their family and friends said essentially was like a symbolic thing
00:29:40.760saying that they were joining the jihad you know willing to sacrifice themselves in war against
00:29:45.500israel and then what happened was they bombed the school in school right if i'm not mistaken
00:29:49.700in lebanon during this operation i'm sorry they bombed the school in in lebanon if i'm not mistaken
00:29:54.480right? I'm about to say. So what happened was a couple of days later, after they signed their
00:30:02.260will, the Israelis attacked. It was a UN shelter and they killed 106 women and children. And get
00:30:10.880this, it was actually Naftali Bennett, the past and probably future prime minister of Israel.
00:30:16.700He was the artillery officer who called in the strike that killed 106 women and children at
00:30:23.060Khanna. And we call it the first Khanna massacre now because there was a second one in 1996,
00:30:27.340and there was another one just the other day. This is the land where Jesus is said to have
00:30:32.160walked on water. That is the area there. And in 1996, when they killed these people,
00:30:39.800when bin Laden put out his first declaration of war a few months later, he went on and on about
00:30:44.760the Khanna massacre right in the first part of it. And this is what convinced Muhammad Atta and0.99
00:30:51.700ramsi bin al-shib to join al-qaeda and so then in other words you have egyptian engineering students
00:30:59.420studying in hamburg germany volunteer for a saudi sheikh hiding out in afghanistan
00:31:05.040to kill americans to get revenge for what israel's doing in lebanon yeah and you know it's kind of
00:31:11.200the letter to america that you're talking about and i remember back in the day they censored it
00:31:14.220and we couldn't you know actually read it but yeah the uh the santa killings um you know
00:31:20.520being in the middle east in general protecting the royal family um obviously all the things
00:31:25.360that letter came out in 2002 but even more instructive is his original declaration of
00:31:30.520war from 96 and then the second one is from 98 is much shorter um but uh yeah the first one is
00:31:38.100actually called declaration of war against the americans occupying the land of the two holy
00:31:42.660places it's not subtle right and it ain't about your freedom and r-rated movies i mean this is
00:31:48.180what it was about as american foreign policy and on top of that look this is was their motivation
00:31:52.240but their strategy was to get america to overreact to give an american president an excuse to exploit
00:32:00.960and start a war and invade afghanistan so they could replicate what we had helped them do
00:32:06.300to the soviet union in the 1980s and people got very confused about that because the government0.99
00:32:13.120said the taliban did it because they hate our freedom and obviously that's a bunch of crap0.98
00:32:16.740But bin Laden was an engineer. And again, Ramzi bin al-Sheed and Mohammed Atta were engineers.0.99
00:32:23.800Ayman al-Zawahiri was a surgeon from Cairo. They were not Taliban, illiterate, you know, redneck hillbillies from Pashtunistan.0.99
00:32:32.660They were citizens of the world, you know, more highly educated than us and in international politics.
00:32:42.900and they knew exactly what they were doing.
00:32:45.500So I know people get upset about when I say that stuff,
00:32:48.620but that's the reality of all of that.
00:33:38.980So that was the way that they looked at it. As they would say, then terrorism is a small price to pay for being a superpower. But then so this then we pick up our story back after September 11th again. And now Bush goes to Iraq. And importantly, a major obviously Bush Jr. himself had his own reasons for doing that war. Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld theirs.
00:34:03.680but a huge part of what went on there was the role of the neoconservatives and most crucially
00:34:12.460in telling the president of the united states you're right you're smart this is what we should
00:34:17.980do we gamed it all out and our friend ahmed chalabi says it's going to be great and all of this stuff0.99
00:34:22.700that bush believed because he's stupid and so you know the fact that he wanted to do it0.95
00:34:29.040was one thing the fact that he was able to find six think tanks full of lakutenics to tell him1.00
00:34:36.120that this is going to work great that's what made the difference and made the war happen you know
00:34:41.780the there was a new york times um full page ad that had like 175 or 200 or whatever it was
00:34:50.920academic experts warning against the war but that didn't matter right meersheimer and walt
00:34:56.840were on there. That didn't matter. It was the think tankers who got it done. And the think
00:35:00.900tankers, it wasn't the Council on Foreign Relations. It was the Washington Institute
00:35:04.360for Near East Policy, the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, the Project for a New American
00:35:08.480Century, Center for Security Policy. It was the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.
00:35:13.500It was the Likud, the neoconservative movement is essentially the vanguard of the Israel lobby
00:35:19.360in the United States and particularly close, not even just to Ariel Sharon, but they're both
00:35:24.780members of the same party, but particularly close to Benjamin Netanyahu. And where Sharon was actually
00:35:29.800the prime minister at the time, they were still more Iraq hawks in agreement with the American
00:35:35.200president and with the then past and future prime minister Netanyahu. And a big part of their
00:35:42.380thinking was based on, I'm sure you're very well aware of this and your audience is, you know,
00:35:47.040various degrees of familiar with this. It's called the clean break. And what it is, is just try to
00:35:53.860put this in a nutshell here, which always, again, is the kiss of death, but it's David Wormser wrote
00:35:58.960this for, with Richard Pearl, but he's the big brainchild behind, thinks he's so damn smart still,
00:36:04.020it's amazing. And what happened was Ahmed Chalabi, the Iraqi Shiite exile, blew all this smoke up0.90
00:36:12.580David Wormser's ass about how if America would get rid of Saddam or even Israel, would figure out how0.98
00:36:18.700to do a coup somehow and get rid of Saddam Hussein. They weren't even really proposing invasion0.99
00:36:23.320in the clean break memo itself, but whatever, it's still the same thinking behind it when
00:36:27.980he worked for Dick Cheney in the run up to the war. And he and Wolfowitz and Pearl, this was
00:36:32.980their consensus of how this is going to work. No question about that. And so here's how they
00:36:37.720thought it would work. First, the idea was they would put in a Hashemite king, a cousin of the
00:36:42.960king of Jordan, and that then his magical bloodline would force all the Shiites into enslavement and0.97
00:36:48.920hypnosis and they would just obey him and do whatever he said. And then he would use, even0.99
00:36:53.920though the Hashemites are Sunni kings, that these Shiites, they so revere anyone who claims to have
00:36:59.960the blood of the prophet that they'll just totally be enslaved to you and do whatever you will.0.65
00:37:03.920And then the new Sunni king will be able to tell the religious, the Shiite religious clerics in0.88
00:37:09.320Najaf down in southern Iraq, that is the Ayatollah Sistani and his friends, to tell Hezbollah in0.58
00:37:15.840southern Lebanon to stop being friends with Iran and start making nice with Israel, and that the0.94
00:37:22.140new Sunni-led supermajority Shiite Iraq would be friends with Israel and would be a great block
00:37:29.080against Iranian power in the region. From Israel's point of view, the threat was Hezbollah in their0.90
00:37:36.400north, the Shiite sort of mini-state there that grew up in reaction to their invasion of Lebanon
00:37:42.860in the 1980s that they are armed by iran by way of syria but instead of saying we need to take out
00:37:52.420syria or iran both of which seemed impossible at that time they said well maybe we can get rid of
00:37:58.900saddam and get america to get rid of saddam and then so saddam was a bigger threat to them first1.00
00:38:06.300well before iran only because they're stupid right like so they're evil they're cruel evil1.00
00:38:15.220like premeditated psychopathic murderers don't let me like acquit them but they are dumb and wrong1.00
00:38:21.780right so what they're saying is first it'll be this hashamite king will have this magic spell1.00
00:38:29.200over the shiite super majority then you know it's the americans that got to get to do it
00:38:35.160and it's bush's democratic revolution and all this so they're not going to be able to put in
00:38:39.500a monarch and in fact the king king hussein died and king abdullah took over who i believe was
00:38:44.680his son was king abdullah or maybe that was the cousin or whatever but anyway they didn't have
00:38:49.000anybody available to be the sock puppet hashamite king of iraq anyway and wolfowitz and all them are
00:38:55.360pushing this stuff about we're doing these regime changes to remake these societies into democrat
00:39:00.440you know model democracies they'll get along with us because they'll be so democratic and wonderful
00:39:04.860and the wonderful populations will all want to get along with us and it'll all be so great was0.88
00:39:09.020how they're selling it so they decided instead of a Hashemite king they would end up putting
00:39:14.820Ahmed Chalabi the same guy who convinced David Wormser of all this nonsense they'll just put0.94
00:39:20.220him in charge and he'll be able to run the place well it turned out once they launched the war
00:39:25.120guess what it wasn't easy just like there were no nukes also we don't completely pwn the will
00:39:31.700and intention of every man on the ground and what all they want to do. And it turns out that Chalabi0.51
00:39:36.360had very little influence. His family had helped bankroll the upkeeping of one Shiite shrine in
00:39:40.940Najaf. So he had like a little bit of political capital and he ended up with a cushy job at the
00:39:45.340oil ministry, but he was never going to be in charge of the country. And who ended up taking
00:39:50.320over the country? Remember, Saddam invaded Iran because he was afraid that the Iraqi Shiites were
00:39:58.380going to join up with the Iranians. Then in 1991, after the first Iraq war, that started to happen
00:40:07.460again with the Shiite uprising that Bush Sr. encouraged, but then he realized, oops, the
00:40:12.000Iraqis who side with Iran are going to take over. So he called it off and let Saddam crush them,0.71
00:40:16.100which became the excuse to stay, which caused the terrorism war against us and all that.0.63
00:40:20.560And then now what happens in 2003? On the advice of the neoconservatives representing Netanyahu
00:40:27.340in the Likud. And Sharon, by that time, of course, was totally on board for this and helped,
00:40:32.520despite people who try to argue about that. They're totally wrong. He totally was helping
00:40:37.160lie us into war at that point. And then what did W. Bush do? Those same Iraqi Shiites who chose
00:40:44.120Iran's side in the Iranian Revolution, W. Bush took them to power. And so in 2003, the war that
00:40:50.660we know of as Iraq War II from 2003 through 2008 and 2011, that was essentially America0.68
00:40:59.480falling for Chalabi's lies and waging a war on behalf of the Shiites, all right, but they're
00:41:06.120not under America's magic spell. They're not under the magic spell of the Hashemite kings.
00:41:10.400They're not under the magic spell of America's sock puppet, Chalabi. In fact, they are loyal
00:41:16.020to the Ayatollah who's kept them well for the last 20 years before that and who now put them
00:41:21.380in power. And so the leading groups that took over Iraq were the Supreme Council for Islamic
00:41:25.960Revolution in Iraq and the Dawah Party in alliance with Muqtada al-Sadr. And these were the guys
00:41:32.880that they fought the whole war for. And this is crucial because this is really the only way to
00:41:40.060understand American foreign policy from Barack Obama all the way through right now and even
00:41:44.720before obama is they really screwed up in iraq it wasn't just that it was morally wrong to start0.90
00:41:51.860a war based on lies it was that they fucked up everything it was what in in soccer you call an0.81
00:41:58.240own goal right where you're going you're running the wrong way jose and then oh man he right so0.69
00:42:04.060this is what happened um now look the bin laden knights were not from iran iraq or syria the guy
00:42:11.160our hijackers that hit our towers, they're not from Iran, Iraq, or Syria. They were from our
00:42:15.880allied states, mostly Saudi and Egypt. They hated us because we supported their governments,0.79
00:42:20.880not because they were from our enemy states. But our America's system of power in the region
00:42:30.680is our alliances of the Sunni kings. It's the Shiites who we're against. It's the Shiite1.00
00:42:37.640revolution in Iran that declared independence from us, right? And so America is putting Baghdad0.94
00:42:45.320on Tehran's side of the ledger. So then everything that they've done since then is somehow trying to
00:42:52.660make up for that, and most especially Barack Obama's dirty war in Syria, where he supported0.67
00:42:59.120the Bin Ladenites, again, the radical Sunni Salafi edge, the Wahhabi edge of fundamentalist
00:43:06.100revolutionary Islam fighting against us, fighting for them, our enemies, the American people's0.97
00:43:13.460enemies, as long as they're fighting against the Shiites. And in the case of the Ba'athist regime0.99
00:43:18.420in Damascus, Syria, the Assad family, they're Alawites. And that's like sort of kind of break0.92
00:43:25.380off group of the Shiites and very close with the Shiites and allies with Iran. And so unlike Saddam0.78
00:43:30.560Hussein's bought this party. It was more Shiite friendly than Sunni. And so they were willing to0.70
00:43:36.980back Bin Laden night head shopper suicide bombers. Despite September 11th, despite the fact that they0.80
00:43:42.280were the primary enemy in Iraq War II as the worst part of the Sunni insurgency fighting against the0.88
00:43:47.860Americans there, Obama went ahead and took their side. Why? Because they're trying to limit Shiite
00:43:52.680influence. They're trying to limit Hezbollah. They're trying to limit Iran. And in fact,0.89
00:43:56.920they ended up building the caliphate. The ISIS caliphate was the result of Obama trying to spite
00:44:03.300the Shiites because we're mad at them because Bush fought Iraq War II for them. But then once it0.94
00:44:07.880blew up into the caliphate, then they went, ah, shit, it wasn't supposed to be that bad.1.00
00:44:12.880They were supposed to hit Damascus and get rid of Assad. They weren't supposed to conquer all0.99
00:44:17.720of Western Iraq. Ah, crap. So then they launched Iraq War III, where they put America back on the0.99
00:44:23.800side of the Iraqi Shiites, back on the side of the Iranians in order to destroy the caliphate,0.89
00:44:30.020putting Iran up a peg again in two major Iraq wars in a row that they're fighting for people0.90
00:44:37.940that they hate and wish they hadn't backed. And so then from the point of view of Tel Aviv,0.52
00:44:43.780everything that they helped convince America to do ends up only making the Iranian Hezbollah0.79
00:44:50.760axis more powerful and more dangerous to israel clean break nothing they were supposed to get
00:44:57.600total regional dominance out of the clean break and instead iran got regional dominance out of
00:45:03.360the clean break now in fact they even got the houthis in power in the capital city in yemen
00:45:08.820when iran didn't even want that iran told the houthis not to do it and the houthis went ahead
00:45:14.460and did it anyway and so iran got another state under their control or not really under the
00:45:19.540control, but a close alliance with another country in the region as pretty much a direct,
00:45:26.220if maybe an indirect result of Iraq War II as well. So in other words, W. Bush and Barack Obama,
00:45:33.380what they did in the first two presidencies of this century was try desperately to spite Iran
00:45:41.000and screw Iran over. And in both cases, they severely empowered them and put the Israelis0.96
00:45:48.960in a position oh and i i should have not left out in 2006 in the middle of the iraq war the israelis
00:45:55.560tried to invade southern lebanon and um beat hezbollah and they got beaten back they got
00:46:02.160destroyed and kicked out and and that helped to motivate the policy it wasn't even just obama's
00:46:08.220before obama ever came to town that bush started tilting back toward the sunnis and the policy
00:46:13.000they called the redirection was uh there's a great article by seymour hirsch about it in new yorker
00:46:17.860from march 2007 that says that look oops we empowered iran so now we got to tilt back toward
00:46:24.660the sunnis but yeah that does mean the suicide bomber guys but oh well and that was the policy
00:46:30.300and so um i have something for you too quick uh scott um because i i really love and i i think
00:46:36.160the chat's loving it we're going through a lot of history here because that way everyone can
00:46:40.320understand how we got here in the first place um yeah but real fast and then you can continue on
00:46:45.820There's two things that I really wanted to address
00:46:48.180that we kind of went over real quick in the timeline.
00:46:51.260The Barrack bombings in Lebanon in the early 80s
00:46:55.400and the Barrack bombings and then the IEDs.
00:46:59.740These two things have been huge, you know,
00:47:02.360justifications from Pete Hexeth and Trump
00:56:16.260It's always to help one local faction defeat another local faction because we like this faction better, right?
00:56:24.380At all times, the men in charge are over 18 years old and responsible for all of their own actions.
00:56:31.800Also, so are the CIA men who hire them and the State Department, you know, weenies who write up the blueprint on what we're trying to accomplish here and all of these things.
00:56:41.520So I think it bothers me when people try to invoke that kind of excuse for American intervention.
00:56:49.620And so I would say, OK, well, fine. Fair is fair.
00:56:52.180If Iran supported this group that bombed the barracks, well, then screw them for that.0.73
00:56:56.180But I also got to point out to you that that was in 1983 when I was seven in second grade, eagerly awaiting the debut of the return of the Jedi.0.65
00:57:05.100and that Ronald Reagan sold them missiles the year after that
00:57:09.440and the year after that and the year after that, okay?
00:57:12.680And so Ronald Reagan didn't bomb Tehran over it.
00:58:00.720And he never should have done it. He never could understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics.0.98
00:58:04.760He shouldn't have anything to do with it. And as long as I'm on this tangent, I'll tell you, Ron Paul, in his great book, A Foreign Policy of Freedom,
00:58:11.700which I named my Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom after that book, A Foreign Policy of Freedom.
00:58:16.900It's a collection of his speeches. And Ron Paul was in Congress back in the 70s and 80s, dude, before he went back to being a doctor and then came back to Congress in the 90s.
00:58:25.040And so there's speeches that he gave from the House floor in the 1980s.
00:58:53.260And then the next speech is, congratulations, Mr. Reagan, you finally did the right thing after losing 200 and something guys that you didn't need to lose.0.70
00:59:01.380But at least finally you're doing the right thing now and listening to reason now.
00:59:05.520Real quick, how much time do you have? Because I know that.
00:59:09.720Oh, yeah, we are over, but let's keep going for just a minute here.
00:59:13.380Yeah, because I think all this history is super important for the people.
00:59:17.540I just want to make sure that I don't like hold you over time.
00:59:20.260No, you're my last guy of the day, so I'm going to get away with it here for a bit.
00:59:23.060perfect okay awesome awesome because we i also want to get into the war right now too but this
00:59:26.940is history is super important i don't want to disturb you as you go through it go ahead yeah
00:59:31.020it's all right and you know for people who get lost in all this rewind it man you know there's
00:59:35.120plenty it'll be here for you um but um that's why i don't want to talk about the ied yes in iraq war
00:59:41.720ii okay so first of all an ied just means improvised explosive device now again as i said
00:59:48.460America fought that war for the Shiites against the Sunnis. And the majority of our enemies in0.53
00:59:53.860that thing were what we would call broadly the Sunni-based insurgency. That's a bit of an
00:59:58.880oversimplification, but that was basically what it was. The 20% minority that were losing their
01:00:03.360privileged position to the supermajority who happened to live where all the oil is. So the0.57
01:00:08.220guys who used to be in charge, they're really on the outs. They're losing all their power and
01:00:12.260therefore their patronage. And so they fought like hell to hang on to what they had, and it was a
01:00:16.940losing battle. They lost anyway, because the Shiites were the super majority. Plus they had1.00
01:00:21.440the American army and Marines on their side. And so the Sunnis lost, but they killed 4,000 of our1.00
01:00:27.820guys doing so. And when we talk about Al Qaeda in Iraq, they would have been in the vanguard of0.99
01:00:33.640that Sunni based insurgency. Think of just West Iraq is what we're talking about. Mosul in the0.81
01:00:39.340north fallujah just 20 miles west of baghdad and that whole ambar triangle to crete samara
01:00:46.220ramadi is mixed but mostly sunni um we're talking about you know west and northwest
01:00:51.860iraq is predominantly sunni territory there okay now um
01:00:57.180there is an exception in this i'm sorry no no i was saying uh i i i eds as well yeah i eds yeah
01:01:06.000yeah i'm not lost i'm just trying to figure out oh where i want to start up again so um take your
01:01:11.200time there there's an exception to to what i just said that's like the general way to understand
01:01:16.200the war okay but here's the big wrinkle in that the big wrinkle in that is versus shiites basically
01:01:21.140as well iraq war uh two now at this point right yeah and we're on the shiite side right we're on
01:01:27.520the shiite side and wish we weren't but we are anyway it's basically the george w bush outlook
01:01:31.420on the thing um it was supposed to give us dominance over the shiites but instead we're
01:01:35.640just putting iran's best friends in power now the thing is so there's a solution to that
01:01:41.680according to dick cheney and his buddies at the time in the vice president's office which is let's
01:01:45.880spread the war to iran if we get a regime change in iran then we don't have to feel bad about giving0.59
01:01:50.180iran dominance in iraq so we'll just solve this problem right damn now and but the military warned
01:01:56.980W. Bush that they don't want to do it. In January of 07, they told him Iran can hit back too hard
01:02:02.360and it won't be like fighting Iraq. We won't have escalation dominance in the war and they will be0.84
01:02:08.480able to give us enough grief and our troops in Iraq will be at risk because they're embedded0.99
01:02:13.200with Shiite forces. Our bases in the region will be at risk. Don't make us do it, Mr. President.1.00
01:02:18.920And so George Bush told them, okay, fine, we'll do the surge in Iraq, but not the Iran war.
01:02:23.860However, that whole spring, the first, let's say even first half of 2007, when they launched the surge in Iraq, they launched a massive public relations campaign to get us into a war with Iran.
01:02:40.740And here's what they said, that an improvised explosive device, when it's in the hands of a Shiite, is an Iranian bomb.0.50
01:02:50.280And then they attacked one third of the United Shiite Iraqi alliance that we were fighting the war for.
01:02:58.560They turned around and they attacked Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi army.
01:03:04.740Now, it's a bit complicated here, but again, to zoom out a bit.0.64
01:03:10.840Sunnis in the West, Shiites in the Southeast, Shiites are the supermajority.0.50
01:03:15.720We're helping them take over the capital, but the Shiite side is made of these three major factions.0.96
01:03:22.040Skiri, that's the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq, Dawah, and Sadr and his men.0.96
01:03:30.200Wait, Skiri, Dawah, and what was the other one? I'm sorry.0.80
01:03:42.360Now, here's the thing about it, though.
01:03:45.720But Skiri and Dawah had been living in Iran for 20 years and were very close to Iran.
01:03:51.220Sadr was not. Sadr had stayed in Iraq.
01:03:54.640And Sadr was actually the least Iranian tide of all of the Shiite groups at that time.
01:04:00.840But the Americans hated him because he was a nationalist.
01:04:04.280And so he actually wanted to limit Iranian influence.
01:04:08.340But he also wanted to limit American influence.0.60
01:04:11.380And so the Americans preferred the Iranian-backed guys who would allow them to stay and help them win their war than the guy who was least backed by Iran who wanted them to go ahead and get the hell out and maybe even make an alliance with the Sunnis and build a nationalist-type government.0.59
01:04:31.000So we were more alongside, so we're fighting alongside the Shiites, three factions, Skiri, Dawah, and Sadr.0.53
01:04:36.920The problem with Sadr, he was more of a nationalist, so he had issues with not just Iran, but also us.0.91
01:04:41.300So we were aligning ourselves more with the Dawah and Skiri guys.0.91
01:04:44.660Even though they were the ones who were closer to Iran.0.99
01:04:50.700And then the lie was that no, Sadr is the one who's closest to Iran, and that's the only reason he's resisting us,0.64
01:04:58.000is because the Iranians have made him fight our guys.0.93
01:05:01.000which is just total crap dude i'm telling you at the time america attacked them david petraeus0.75
01:05:06.320attacked them and what the whole point was to build up this public relations campaign0.98
01:05:12.500that when they resist that every time the shiites set off a bomb now it's not an ied an improvised0.91
01:05:19.740explosive device which could just be an old artillery shell made into a homemade kind of0.93
01:05:23.920landmine set on the side of the road, that now these Shiite IEDs are all from Iran. And the way0.98
01:05:32.880that you can tell, according to this propaganda campaign, is because they have a copper disc
01:05:37.700and a shaped charge so that when the explosive detonates, that disc becomes a slug, basically.
01:05:46.720Like the disc goes over the top of the thing, the explosion hits it in the middle,
01:05:50.220And so the copper disc kind of folds around the explosion, but then also gets superheated and turns into molten metal as it's flying toward the underside of your tank and cuts right through it.
01:06:02.740It was invented in World War II, apparently.0.66
01:06:05.960But the Iraqi Shiites learned it from Lebanese Hezbollah, and they didn't learn it from Iran either.
01:06:11.440They learned it from the IRA in Ireland.0.71
01:08:07.200Well, I never denied that Iran backed them, especially after America started attacking them.0.74
01:08:13.060Hell, Muqtad al-Sadr fled to Iran to survive and got a higher religious rank while he was there.0.83
01:08:19.560So he's closer to Iran now than he ever was before.
01:08:23.280But that was a self-fulfilling thing on the part of the Americans.
01:08:26.260It was a big propaganda campaign to pretend that essentially the reason he was resisting us was because Iran put him up to it.
01:08:33.800when no man he was resisting us because our side david petraeus attacked him and then iran helped
01:08:40.580him defend himself and his group essentially and the whole thing the whole point of it was to build
01:08:47.500up this pressure campaign on w bush to force him or you know pressure him to launch a war against
01:08:56.120irgc targets that's the iranian revolutionary guard corps their special operations teams
01:09:01.380inside iran in order to touch off the war and in fact it was funny at the time because we joked
01:09:07.660about it at the time that they totally dropped all their nonsense about iran's secret illicit
01:09:12.940nuclear weapons program for like a year they just totally forgot about it you know how you forget
01:09:17.180about a lie because it's not even true so you forget what it even was they just forgot about0.59
01:09:21.740that crap for like a year to push the efp hoax instead the in for explosively foreign penetrators0.64
01:09:27.320And again, I'm not denying, and there are guys probably who fought in that war listening to this, I'm not denying that Muqtad al-Sadr and his Mahdi army fought like dogs, and I'm not denying that Iran supported them.0.94
01:09:37.740I am denying that Iran supplied all those EFPs.0.77
01:09:44.300And I cite in my book numerous sources demonstrating the fact that these things were being made in machine shops by Iraqi Shiites for use against American forces, who, again, were only even put in that situation because David Petraeus betrayed them.0.56
01:10:00.920And that's super important because that is what – and the reason why I wanted to harp on those two things, the Barrack bombing and the IFPs or IEDs, the reason why I wanted to hone in on those two facts is because these are the two facts that Hexeth and Trump constantly refer back to to justify their current war that we're at now.
01:10:18.980So – and I just – I want to make sure I get this because this is very complex.
01:10:22.520I really appreciate you explaining this to us, Scott.
01:10:25.280And by the way, this is all in my book Enough Already.
01:10:27.620And in fact, if you go to my sub stack or just search my Scott Horton show, all one word, and then Iraq chapter or something,
01:10:37.240because I published the whole chapter from Enough Already about Iraq War II on my sub stack.
01:10:53.240soda straws and efps okay and that tells you the story of of the efp hoax there so okay so i'll go0.54
01:11:01.920through this one more time and then we'll go go to the war so skiri dawa solder were fighting
01:11:07.020alongside the united states uh solder was more nationalist and uh so we ended up aligning more
01:11:13.400with the skiri and dawa um and solder did use ieds or ifps we're fighting him what we're saying is
01:11:20.320that these ifps ieds were not efps excuse me they were not manufactured they're not manufactured
01:11:27.060in iran rather they were manufactured in iraq and the design came from the ira and hezbollah
01:11:33.980uh versus coming from iran as people try to claim now to justify the current war because
01:11:39.600hexathen trump uses every single time they talk about why we're attacking yeah and on top of that
01:11:44.640The origin of the lie was a propaganda campaign by the vice president's office, David Petraeus, and Michael Gordon of the New York Times, who's now at the Wall Street Journal.
01:11:56.020They were the ones who were pushing this lie.
01:11:58.900And, you know, as I cite in the book, I got military officers who, you know, absolutely verify what I'm saying.
01:12:05.100Petraeus, and who was the second guy, one more time?0.99
01:12:06.200These bombs were made in Iraq by Iraqis.1.00
01:12:08.000Petraeus, and who was the other guy?1.00
01:12:42.680uh and then we went iraq war one two three um now i guess that can kind of take us to the conflict
01:12:49.300now uh now that we've kind of cleared up the whole ifp things because that it's crazy how
01:12:53.940they still push that propaganda um so we bombed them on the 28th right and uh the war's been
01:13:00.860going on i think you know we can both probably agree that trump thought this thing was going
01:13:04.700to be a lot faster and shorter almost like a venezuela and it's gone on way longer than he
01:13:08.640expected um i'll kind of just leave it open to you so you can talk about the current conflict
01:13:13.120how we got here uh the nuclear discussions as far as like you know us trying to you know they
01:13:19.520can't have a nuclear weapon whatever i'll just leave it open and it's you and you kind of go
01:13:22.360through with this new conflict yeah okay so the first thing is i guess to to debunk the lies of
01:13:29.080the motivations for the war um the excuses for the war the first is the nuclear program the second
01:13:35.200going to be their support for regional terrorist groups um and what the hell i'll think of the
01:13:41.160rest in a minute yeah they always use the their biggest background terror that to america
01:13:45.160the bright yeah the barrett bombings yeah we go through all they get us so upset0.90
01:13:51.180um so look the nuclear program is like this man they developed it during w bush they really
01:13:57.620you know got it up and going in his second term bush one or bush two and when they and so what it
01:14:04.600was this nuclear nuclear program and was it bush one or bush two though when they developed oh
01:14:10.860junior no w bush this early 2000s okay yeah yeah so you know they had a a nuclear program a fledgling
01:14:18.460nuclear program of a different description before even built by the united states back in the 70s
01:14:23.640their medical isotope reactor in tehran for example not but they didn't have a domestic uranium
01:14:28.180enrichment um system now let's steel man this thing for a minute and just pretend to hate iran
01:14:33.640for a minute but not be liars okay so if we're if we're totally skeptical of their motives and
01:14:40.160intentions here myron then you can look at the um the non-proliferation treaties protection of their
01:14:48.100right to a civilian nuclear enrichment program as a huge loophole it allows them to master the fuel
01:14:55.920cycle. It allows them to perfect the mechanical processes necessary to convert uranium metal to
01:15:05.840gas, to uranium hexafluori gas, and then enrich it up to whatever percent they want in their uranium
01:15:11.580cascades, which are these giant collections of aluminum tube centrifuges where the gas passes
01:15:19.360from one centrifuge to the next, to the next, to the next, to the next, down this cascade is what
01:15:23.640they call it um as it gets uh higher and higher enriched the percentage of 235 which is the sweet
01:15:30.400stuff and you're saying them being 38 you're saying them being on the npt allowed them to
01:15:34.940learn and master this process which allows you to enrich the 90 percent weapons grade by being
01:15:41.260no so it allows them to master the ability to enrich to any percent that's what i mean yeah
01:15:48.080Yeah, right. Now they have never enriched up to weapons grade, but they could. Right. So now, and now it's from being an NPT, right? Just so I may, this is what I'm being an NPT. Okay, not proliferation treaty.
01:16:00.340right okay so let me explain that real quick for the nuclear weapon states for the nuclear
01:16:05.060weapon states who signed the npt which is all of them except uh well north korea india pakistan0.53
01:16:10.400and israel but the rest are all members of the npt and we promise that oh one day we'll get rid0.61
01:16:15.180of our nukes which is bs but more importantly we promise not to proliferate nuclear weapons to our0.83
01:16:20.360allies or anybody else um and then the non-nuclear weapon states promise never to get them and not
01:16:28.500by hook or by crook or by making them or whatever. Now, they could withdraw from the treaty and make
01:16:32.580them. Any nation can. But as members of the treaty, they promise not to. And they also agree
01:16:38.100to have a safeguards agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency, which means
01:16:42.840that you have essentially international nuclear inspectors and cops standing around with seals
01:16:48.800and cameras and scales, verifying that all the nuclear material is where it's supposed to be
01:16:54.240and is not being diverted to any military or other special purpose.
01:16:57.860So Iran has had, as a member of the NPT, they've had a safeguards agreement,
01:17:03.760and they had IAE inspectors continue to verify the non-diversion of nuclear material
01:17:10.260to any military or other special purpose over and over again,
01:17:13.920especially under Mohammed al-Baradei, but even after that, under Yukia Amano was his name,
01:17:18.960and these other guys who came later who are more conciliatory to American aims
01:17:23.620and accusations here they all still have to admit there is no nuclear weapons program there they're
01:17:27.940not making nuclear weapons what they were doing which they never said this okay but again i'm
01:17:34.820trying to steel man this argument and say from the point of view of someone who's a hawk but not a
01:17:39.880liar let's let's look at this um you know in the most um kind of uh we're gonna take the neocon
01:17:46.720angle we're gonna take the neocon angle so people understand right okay so so they what they did was
01:17:53.920they got themselves in the position where they could break out as they call it and try to make
01:17:59.560a nuke so that is they've mastered the fuel cycle basically is the point to the israelis this is0.60
01:18:07.800absolutely intolerable this is no different than them having a nuclear weapon so the israeli0.67
01:18:13.160position to the americans has been get in there and bomb them and the american position has been0.58
01:18:20.320no we're not going to get in there and bomb them over their civilian program bush de facto accepted
01:18:25.220enrichment obama officially accepted enrichment which they have the right to do right because
01:18:30.280they're signatures already the right to do yes under the npt but see the israeli demand is that
01:18:36.180they don't. So the Americans are saying, okay, I'll tell you what, don't break out and try to
01:18:43.040make a nuke. If you do, I will bomb you. Okay. The Israelis want me to bomb you now. No. But if you0.99
01:18:50.320try to make a nuke, then I will. I'll bomb you before you finish. So don't. Then the Iranian1.00
01:18:56.940response was, we're not making nukes. So don't you bomb us. And then implicitly, they never said
01:19:05.460this but again we're being hawks here implicitly they're saying if you bomb us well then we might
01:19:12.480because you know we know how to make weapons grade uranium if we so choose to so don't put us in that
01:19:21.160position all right that was what they were doing that was the form of the standoff okay but then
01:19:28.400last June, Netanyahu convinced Trump and they called the Iranians bluff and they launched an
01:19:37.040aggressive war and they bombed their nuclear program. Well, two major results of that. The
01:19:42.580first one is they really did set the program back. I don't know if you can say obliterated,
01:19:47.260but they really put them back years and years and years. They basically buried the Natanz and0.56
01:19:52.020Fordo facilities deep. And they completely destroyed the conversion facility at Isfahan,
01:19:59.180which is crucial for that's how you take the metal and turn it into uranium hexafluoride gas,
01:20:04.180which you need to put it in the centrifuges and enrich it. Then you got to be able to turn it
01:20:08.640back into a metal again. And so you can't do that without your conversion facility. So they really
01:20:13.720have been put, if not back to square one, to square two or three or something. They really
01:20:18.380got their asses kicked last june after all um america has the power to put bunker busters on0.99
01:20:23.960targets man um and now remember their symbolic retaliation was 14 bombs and deliberately missed0.99
01:20:30.640and warned ahead of time please shoot them down a symbolic response only against the united states
01:20:35.300they hit israel but they didn't dare hit the united states the old ayatollah did not want to
01:20:39.900get into a war with america over this stuff he was telegraphing do not want to fight good question
01:20:45.620for you i've heard from people um i think john kirkow mentioned this that the reason why we got
01:20:51.060involved in the 12-day war and bombed their nuclear facilities is because netanyahu and the
01:20:55.300israeli government were threatening to use nuclear bombs against iran because they were getting
01:20:59.440pummeled so bad during the 12-day war uh by their ballistic missiles um have you heard that as well
01:21:04.800or do you agree with that or do you not agree with that no i i don't know that that's true okay i
01:21:09.780don't know that it ain't but um so i'm not like disputing it but i can't verify you haven't heard
01:21:15.180it okay no worries so okay so we we bombed their nuclear capabilities um uh during the 12 days
01:21:21.000go ahead sorry yeah so now it's funny man you know you could bet and you'd be right um you can find
01:21:30.980the article it's in time magazine uh that came out a week or two weeks ago and it's about trump
01:21:36.820seeks off ramps from iran war something like that you probably pull it up and um it's definitely
01:21:45.160in time and in that article netanyahu tells trump after the war last june that uh-oh guess what
01:21:54.100donald now they're more likely than ever to go ahead and try to make a nuke what then he says
01:22:02.120so he says you so we got to finish the job it's not complete without regime change and hell now
01:22:06.520that we bombed them now they're more likely to make a nuke than ever before so we got to start
01:22:10.340again just close the door go ahead sure and then um then after this war started he did the same
01:22:18.240thing again essentially conceding that they weren't making nukes before but now they're going to now
01:22:25.940we put them in such a position that now they really have no choice so now we got to really
01:22:29.880finish the job whatever it takes to achieve a full regime change and have our way there to prevent
01:22:35.620the consequences that were the fake accusation that could now come true. And so, you know,
01:22:44.180it's no surprise, but that's exactly how they do it. And I think this is a great explanation for
01:22:49.080how this war happened in just the last few months here. It was that the Israelis lied,0.82
01:22:55.720not just us, into war. They lied Donald Trump into war. And again, Myron, for the love of God,
01:23:02.940man don't let me deny the agency of the most powerful person the most powerful single0.54
01:23:12.120individual on the face of the planet earth maybe ever okay but the israelis filled his head with1.00
01:23:20.140shit and he believed it because he's stupid and then he made bad decisions based on those1.00
01:23:26.200lies that they manipulated him into believing. By all means, the President of the United States1.00
01:23:33.000is over 18 and is responsible for his own actions. And if he's going to bend over and let the
01:23:38.840Israelis rape him in his brain hole, then he is responsible for that. I'm not denying that.1.00
01:23:47.320But I am saying to you that it was not the Council on Foreign Relations that caused this war. It was
01:23:54.460not the Pentagon joint staff of strategic planners who caused this war. It was the fucking Likud,1.00
01:24:02.360man. It was Benjamin Netanyahu and his agents. The guy, Mark Dubowitz and his buddies at the1.00
01:24:08.700Foundation for Defense of Democracies, Lindsey Graham, Alan Dershowitz, and very few people
01:24:16.940who are very close to Benjamin Netanyahu and the Likud. Mark Levin, of course, pressured Donald
01:24:23.360Trump into doing this. And Joe Kent laid it out perfectly. Now, you know, there's the Marco Rubio
01:24:29.640thing that said, well, they were going to start the war and drag us into it. Mike Johnson also
01:24:33.840seemed to confirm that. I'm dubious about that. I don't really believe that they were, that they
01:24:37.960were, that Netanyahu would, I guess he might blackmail Trump, but I don't think that he would
01:24:43.680blackmail Trump. And I don't think he would need to blackmail Trump. I don't think that's what's
01:24:47.120going on here. I know some people say that Tucker says he's enslaved to Netanyahu. And after all,
01:24:51.900donald trump is a sinner man might he have crossed a line where he could have got compromised yeah
01:24:57.260sure um but i don't think that that's what's going on here i think what happened was netanyahu just
01:25:03.320essentially flattered him into believing that one you can do this and two everybody else is actually
01:25:13.180a big wimp for not doing this before yeah um and that this is going to be your you know greatest
01:25:21.380achievement that you know these people call us the great satan they're determined to destroy us
01:25:26.360they're determined to whatever they can to hurt us and nobody else was man enough to finally solve
01:25:31.620this problem for the world until you came along big donald you just went in venezuela like you
01:25:37.760can do this too you know yes and venezuela you're absolutely correct to identify this and i'm sure
01:25:43.260you did but i did and a lot of other people said right after venezuela was so easy that oh no
01:25:49.620Because now Donald Trump is going to be so high on how well that worked that he's going to essentially consider the Delta Force and then therefore, i.e., the whole Pentagon to be essentially magic and be able to accomplish whatever his whim.
01:26:06.880I mean, the Delta Force is his private army. And and you got to admit, it was quite something that they could get the president and his first lady and have them right out of their beds like an Afghan night raid in the head of state in Venezuela and get away with that.
01:26:21.760So then, but boy, did Donald Trump get coked up on imperial hubris there, right?
01:26:27.740Like this is, he was strutting worse than Dick Cheney.
01:26:31.740He was so sure of himself after Venezuela.
01:26:35.860You'd have had to, I don't know what, to stop him from going to Iran after that.
01:26:49.540It's all happened through American history.
01:26:51.760particularly Robert McNamara, the Secretary of Defense during Vietnam, during Kennedy and Johnson,
01:26:57.440was famous for this, right, was mistaking all these quantities on a page, all these tactical
01:27:05.500and operational so-called successes for a strategic success. I mean, it sounds kind of
01:27:12.440silly now because you know the outcome. It's weird. But think about all that you've heard
01:27:17.220about from Vietnam, that we're going to break their back. We're going to break them. They at1.00
01:27:24.620some point will cry, stop, right? But like, no, that's not true. Yes, it is true. You can bomb
01:27:32.300them. No, it's not true that Ho Chi Minh will give into you. He will not either and nor will0.91
01:27:38.160his people. And so you can kill even 3 million of them and that will not break their back. You will0.99
01:27:45.960have to admit that you were stupid and wrong and lost and leave and that is the ultimate reality1.00
01:27:52.360but it's the same thing here you hear it from Pete Hegseth and his people constantly we bombed1.00
01:27:58.640x thousand of this and we bombed x thousand of that and y thousand of this and nobody could0.64
01:28:04.080stop the big green machine man we have ultimate power but any junior high school kid ought to be0.79
01:28:10.140able to tell you that well wait a minute now tactics and operations are two things and strategy
01:28:17.840is something else and being able to achieve your strategic goals you know in other words a political
01:28:24.040outcome that you desired is there are other things that matter besides simple firepower
01:28:32.260and we saw this also with iraq war ii if you said in 2003 this war is not going to go well
01:28:40.320people would get so outraged and say like how can you doubt the strength of the u.s army
01:28:49.800and it's like well i don't think anybody does doubt the strength of the u.s army you know what
01:28:55.520i mean maybe some people even overestimate it i don't think anyone underestimates it but you
01:29:00.080understand that strength don't count for much when you're sending guys out on patrol in aluminum
01:29:06.320Humvees getting blown up with homemade landmines, right? We're not talking about meeting the
01:29:12.040Wehrmacht in the field. We're talking about trying to pacify a civilian-based insurgency
01:29:17.940of sneak attackers fighting for their own territory on their own territory. Strength,
01:29:25.100nothing right they're just blowing smoke it has nothing to do with it and we ended up losing that0.78
01:29:30.420well we ended up helping the supermajority crush their enemies if that counts as a as a tactical
01:29:36.280win but strategically again we fought that whole war for iran we fought that whole war for the
01:29:42.180people that we hated the most i mean the whole not we the u.s government hated the most the
01:29:47.040american people's enemies are the bin ladenites not the shiites yeah but anyway you know what i0.72
01:29:51.500mean um so i think that's the same thing that's happening here is donald trump got sold this idea
01:29:58.980of just power and and unstoppable strength and then believe that he could get what he wanted
01:30:06.620simply by ordering that things explode and then he came to find out the hard way that like no
01:30:12.400that's not true this is a giant nation of 100 million people with two giant mountain ranges
01:30:16.500and they've had 30 years to build mid-range missiles and now what are you going to do and
01:30:22.020and ultimately as you know we're talking about this during the ceasefire which i really pray
01:30:26.660holds i know a lot of people think that they're just buying their time to escalate um but maybe
01:30:32.000not um but uh i really hope that the that the ceasefire holds but as we're recording this during
01:30:39.460the ceasefire america has i mean this is like george w bush iraq war ii level strategic
01:30:45.560catastrophe. Not only did they not, you know, destroy the nuclear program, they did not coerce
01:30:52.920Iran into forsaking all of their regional allies, like the Iraqi militias, Hezbollah in Lebanon,
01:30:59.680the Houthis in Yemen. They have not convinced them to do that, or Hamas, even for that matter.
01:31:04.640They're not renouncing their support for Hamas, although they don't give them that much support,
01:31:08.260but whatever. That strategic goal has not been achieved. Their missile force has been degraded,
01:31:14.320but whatever by a couple of years they still have by all accounts tens of thousands of missiles left
01:31:19.680they could go right back to war right now and fight for the rest of the year for as far as anyone can
01:31:24.460tell here they're not in danger all those all those claims of donald trump that we've decimated
01:31:29.340their entire missile force and all that is total hogwash it's not true at all nobody believes it
01:31:34.720yeah i think a recent report came out saying like we hexath and trump say 90 percent then you know
01:31:40.300some other reports came out from the intel agency saying about 50 percent i mean we've only degraded
01:31:45.120maybe half of it they said i remember on day two of the war they were like oh yeah we destroyed
01:31:48.74090 percent of the launchers yet they're still hitting it let me ask you this then scott with
01:31:52.800this conflict wait one more thing real quick before just to wrap up that thought is on the
01:31:56.540other side of america failing to achieve their strategic goals here they have a massive strategic
01:32:01.940defeat in the loss of all our bases in the middle east just as i warned and i found an article where
01:32:07.500I warned about this back in August of 2005, that the entire Persian Gulf is up for grabs in the event of a war with Iran.
01:32:14.600They could close this gate of Hormuz, the Strait of Hormuz and end all Saudi oil shipments to the world and drive the price of oil up to $200 barrel.
01:32:22.740I wrote that 21 years ago, dude, at antiwar.com about what they can do there.0.70
01:32:28.160And they have proven that and they have essentially called America's entire bluff on our military empire in the Middle East.0.77
01:32:34.640Now, we still got H-bombs, and nobody better ever attack us.0.75
01:32:38.600In fact, nobody better ever attack England, or else we'll H-bomb you, I guess.
01:32:43.300But can we defend even our own bases, much less your country, with conventional power?
01:32:51.980Apparently, enough mid-range missiles and drones are enough to keep the mighty American superpower at bay.
01:32:57.960I mean, we can't even pull our Star Destroyers into orbit offshore there.0.98
01:33:02.140I mean, our aircraft carriers are 5,000, I mean, pardon me, 500 and 1,000 miles away over horizon after horizon after horizon to prevent from getting hit by Iranian forces.0.58
01:33:15.140We've got to launch our F-18s and refuel them twice to get them to Iran.
01:33:26.920so this whole mythology from carter doctrine in 1980 all the way through that the persian gulf is
01:33:34.420an american lake it belongs to us nobody ever better try to dominate it or we'll treat it like
01:33:39.260an attack on the united states of america our military bases in iraq in kuwait in qatar bahrain
01:33:45.260saudi uae and oman guarantee the sea lanes and guarantee the persian gulf all that's over now
01:33:52.860all that bluff has been called because Donald Trump let Benjamin Netanyahu talk him into this
01:33:59.220now I'm with Ron Paul I say we need to pull all our guys out of those bases and close them all
01:34:03.800down anyway but we should have listened to Ron Paul and done it deliberately instead of having
01:34:08.180to do it in a humiliating defeat at the hands of a second-rate power here but let me tell you like
01:34:13.300those results are gonna stick Myron the the Persian Gulf is called the Persian Gulf for a reason0.83
01:34:19.160And that whole bluff of American supremacy there is over now, and the ball is entirely in Iran's court to decide how they want to deal with their neighbors and everybody going forward here.0.61
01:34:30.640But those shots will not be called in Washington now.0.81
01:34:33.460Now, when it comes to the nuclear program, I've always said that I look at Iran more as like a nuclear threshold head state where they kind of maintain it for deterrence purposes.
01:34:43.880But Trump and Hexeth always, oh, they're never going to get a nuclear bomb.0.64
01:34:47.040We're not going to let them get a nuclear bomb, blah, blah, blah.
01:34:49.160Um, what would you say to the, to the, you know, the magotards, I call them nowadays that are saying they're going to get a bomb.0.94
01:34:55.900They're, they're going to get a bomb.0.78
01:34:56.920They're, you know, there are weeks away.
01:34:58.560I think Trump said like a week or two ago that, you know, there were three months away from a bomb, even though midnight hammer was supposed to have set them back years.
01:35:04.860What's your response to these people that always talk about Iran getting a nuclear bomb and not being rational and everything else like that?0.98
01:35:11.400Well, through their idiocy, they may prove themselves right now in the worst self-fulfilling prophecy kind of way.0.98
01:35:17.200As I was saying before, like in that Time Magazine article, Netanyahu told Trump, now that we attacked them last June, now that we attacked them, now they're going to break out and get a nuke.0.99
01:35:27.380And then he told them the same thing after this war, where they weren't making a nuke.0.52
01:35:31.700Netanyahu goes, now they're going to make a nuke, so you have to follow through.
01:35:35.640You have to prevent this from happening, the thing that you and I just incentivized them to do more than ever before.
01:35:42.800so you know if you ask robert pape from the university of chicago he's like it's purely
01:35:48.040academic they 100 are guaranteed to race to an atomic bomb now because their latent nuclear
01:35:55.220deterrent their threshold nuclear deterrent was not deterrent enough remember as i described that
01:36:00.900standoff don't bomb me and i won't make a nuke bomb me and i might well now trump has called
01:36:06.460their bluff now at the same time you gotta admit though he really set their program way back too
01:36:12.440so if they are going to break out and make a nuke it's going to be much more difficult than it would
01:36:17.260have been and it'll have to be they'll have to get away with it in secret because he's already he's
01:36:21.520going to be there for another three years apparently and he's already proven he's willing
01:36:25.120to bomb them so if he thinks three years yeah if he thinks that they're starting again he'll just
01:36:30.720bomb them again you know what i mean they have not attempted to reopen fordo or isfahan or uh
01:36:36.780natants since the war last june and so now if there's any kernel whatsoever of truth to this
01:36:43.620accusation that these people are clinging to to extrapolate from it's that they did enrich up to
01:36:49.42060 as marco rubio says the only countries that enrich up to 60 have nuclear weapons but that
01:36:56.380doesn't mean anything you're not making nuclear weapons out of 60 it is technically possible but
01:37:01.600no one's ever done it and it would have to be a huge unwieldy and extremely complicated device and
01:37:06.460there's virtually no chance they're going to do that whenever anybody makes a nuclear bomb other
01:37:10.280than hiroshima was 80 something percent low 80s but virtually any other uranium bomb is above 90
01:37:15.820uranium 235 in order to be able to get a good bang out of the dang thing and uh they have never
01:37:23.320enriched up to weapons grade and you think that was more of a bargaining chip uh it was that's
01:37:28.620right it was used more as like a bar and i've seen you talk about this on on you know other shows
01:37:32.320how enriching to the 60% was more of a strategic thing to trade that away
01:37:36.860to lift the sanctions, rather racing towards a bomb,0.87
01:37:39.960even though now they're going to probably race towards a bomb
01:48:09.180That's why I'm always talking this Sunni Shiite stuff.1.00
01:48:11.360I want people to understand who are the shirts and the skins in the fights1.00
01:48:14.220so that you can see they try to say there's no daylight,
01:48:17.240there's no discrepancy between Israel's interests and ours,
01:48:19.780but they couldn't be more diametrically opposed, in fact.
01:48:23.140What we, the American people, want and need is an end of bin Ladenite terrorism at all costs, or at least not do anything ever or tolerate any other country, especially any ally of ours doing anything to support bin Ladenite-type terrorists.0.57
01:48:40.340And then otherwise, all we want is peace and stability so that everybody can trade and get along.0.65
01:48:45.220You know, people always invoke the Monroe Doctrine, but read James Monroe's speech from 200 years ago.
01:48:50.980What it says is, you stay out of our hemisphere, and we promise to stay out of yours.
01:48:55.720And we will accept, as he puts it, he says, we will accept the government of all nations of the old world as de facto legitimate.
01:49:03.520Whether they are or not is somebody else's problem, but it ain't ours.
01:49:13.540let's say uh you know you got a job tomorrow as trump's advisor what would you tell him to get
01:49:21.500us out of this thing while still somehow saving face because i think trump is staying in this
01:49:25.020conflict longer because he's trying to find some political law for him that doesn't make him look
01:49:28.600weak um and you know it doesn't seem as though the iranians are going to be as open to negotiate
01:49:34.160as they were before what would you tell him look i i i would tell him just come home man forget the
01:49:40.240deal. America's sticking points. We got 15 demands. They've got 10. I don't think J.D. Vance is man
01:49:48.920enough to see it through, man. I don't think it's really even possible, quite frankly, for Trump to
01:49:54.880climb down as far as the Iranians are demanding he climb down or vice versa. So I think the best0.96
01:50:00.320thing to do, and this is something about Trump that is horrible, but it's also maybe his greatest
01:50:05.840strength is that he can go from demanding unconditional surrender one day to unconditionally
01:50:11.320surrendering the next and nobody cares and he doesn't care you know what i mean like he said
01:50:17.280when he announced the ceasefire he goes we're gonna take iran's 10 point plan as a basis to
01:50:24.480start negotiating that's like okay dude it's fine with me man anybody says taco like he's chickening
01:50:31.740out around you. You smack them in the mouth. Y'all shut up, man. He needs to be encouraged to do0.99
01:50:37.240this. Um, it was wrong for him to start and it is right for him to stop. And, you know, anything he
01:50:43.320does to call it short now needs to absolutely, absolutely be encouraged. And, and we should,
01:50:49.060you know, especially, you know, when, when Democrat types try to call him weak for giving
01:50:53.980in too early or some kind of thing like that, they need to be shouted down into oblivion,
01:50:58.480Which, by the way, that did happen. The horrific and horrible Senator Chris Murphy from Connecticut, he started making fun of Trump for backing down and being wimpy and stuff.
01:51:11.660And a bunch of leftists and liberals and progressives ruthlessly attacked him for it.
01:51:16.740And then he backed down and said, oh, no, you misunderstood me. That's not even what I meant and whatever, which it absolutely is, too.
01:51:23.460and they just told him like look we are not going to tolerate that from you son of a bitch you0.98
01:51:28.600understand and he said okay okay you guys are right is what really happened there so it's and0.99
01:51:33.700i got one last question kind of pressure up my last question is obviously right now we're in the
01:51:37.740middle of a blockade right trying to um create some financial or economic strife on on iran
01:51:42.940what are your thoughts on the blockade uh bad idea good idea um what happens next well yeah no it's0.99
01:51:50.640it's terrible and stupid and they're just going to end up giving up and0.99
01:58:23.260for those of you who have children born during president trump's term treasury will see and i'm
01:58:31.680going to coordinate the denise susan debate here on the side for you guys as we watch this um
01:58:36.080need that account with a thousand dollars for those of you there with children under 18 you
01:58:43.740can add to those accounts great philanthropists like michael susan dell are adding to that the
01:58:49.640And the other thing, too, is I want to remind everyone, change your withholding.
01:58:53.560If you're getting a big tax return, a big tax refund this year, it's because you didn't change your withholding last year.
01:59:00.100If you go, you change your withholding now, you'll get an automatic raise in your real income.
01:59:05.780Your weekly, monthly income will go up right here, right now.
01:59:09.060And I just want to thank President Trump for championing this program, because I can tell you, some of the more traditional Republicans on economics didn't want this to be part of the program.
01:59:25.520President Trump fought for this the whole way, and this is why we have a new, bigger Republican Party.
02:05:46.000If you go ahead and you get it, the hardcover, 30 bucks, but it looks pretty good, nice and clean.
02:05:54.620Or just get the Kindle version, as you guys can see right here, because the Kindle version is only less than $10, and it's a great way to support.
02:06:03.240And to be honest, what I really want, right, I don't even care about the money.
02:06:06.740I just want you guys to leave a review.
02:09:26.900and it's uh social security no tax on social security who would think and when i did it
02:09:33.080it was a pretty big number let me could i ask you all right let's jump onto twitter space real quick
02:09:38.080guys actually give in to the powers that be to save themselves and their family that's just
02:09:46.740human nature so i don't mean it as being disrespectful and they could be dead maybe
02:09:51.560these people were not going along with the plan that was at the top but just like with um
02:09:56.720Maduro. You're wrong. You're wrong. Just stop it. Just stop it, please. I want to thank Beatrice and Suleyman for all the time they put and to go through all of this. I have no patience for this. He actually died for his belief. He actually, they asked him to go to bunker. He said, no. Can you take all the evil?
02:10:21.920Johan, thank you so much for the gifted
02:14:51.060No, apparently it's been repaired, and I don't have the latest in exactly its position, but it is still in theater somewhere.
02:15:02.320One thing about U.S. naval forces afloat, they try to keep that under really close wraps, but with satellite imagery, et cetera, et cetera, we still see a lot more than we used to.
02:15:12.540But no, it's still operational to some extent. And even if it isn't the Ford or the Abraham Lincoln that's having that food issue for rations, that's got to be affecting also the other forces afloat because those forces afloat get their AFS.
02:15:35.120that's the auxiliary fast forward supply ships and there's got to be something going on there
02:15:40.380but to have three battle groups deployed without the surge i saw in desert storm uh tells me that
02:15:49.500logistics is going to be more and more of an issue as we go into this yeah i'm talking i believe
02:15:55.440that yeah but go ahead no no no i was gonna say no i i believe that because obviously um you know
02:16:01.380your resources and access to food and everything else like that and the supply lines dictate how
02:16:05.980long you can be in a conflict so uh so yeah that's that's a big development the fact that
02:16:10.980um excuse me that uh they're running out of food that means they can't stay there much longer and
02:16:17.380and we already know that these aircraft carriers have already been like kind of tapped out because
02:16:20.520they weren't used in other missions prior to this they kind of just got pulled to the region
02:16:24.460last minute so i remember like with the ford for example um you know they had toilet issues
02:16:30.620you know took them like 45 minutes to to use the bathroom lines were out the wooza you know and
02:16:36.300this all affects morale obviously right it's already bad enough we're getting into a a very
02:16:40.020unpopular war you know to go ahead and say uh where it's like service members can't even use
02:16:46.580the bathroom that's just like you know now it's really bad that's a killer for morale oh yeah
02:16:52.080that when we were on an extended deployment once on a submarine op and we got down to severe
02:27:15.100does anyone in your chat know how to fix it
02:27:21.880I'm not sure because you can't see anything on our end
02:27:24.060Yeah. Dinesh, is it also narrow on your side too? Like where it's like, just like a vertical versus horizontal?
02:27:30.000No, mine's completely different. Cause I'm in my home studio. So I'm just sitting at a desk and looking at you through a screen. Uh, I don't, I don't have any computer in front of me.
02:27:38.480Gotcha. Someone else is running it. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Someone's running it behind the scenes for you. Okay.
02:27:54.060yeah i've never used this program before i've always used extreme yard or or uh zoom
02:28:03.240trying to look oh i think i fixed it okay you got it i think so yeah
02:39:15.500breaking news and arrest in the case of celeste rivas the teen girl found in the trunk of a
02:39:22.120rapper's car an assignment editor mike rogers is at the desk working the story you've got late
02:39:27.100information from lapd mike yeah all of this still coming in here to the newsroom and to the desk
02:39:31.020but what we can tell you right now is that the rapper david whose name is david burke has been
02:39:36.020arrested for the murder of celeste rivas that's according to the los angeles police department
02:39:40.160there is celeste rivas you remember this is a case that has grabbed headlines and she was a minor
02:39:43.700only like 14 15 now with that said i think david is like 18 or 19 so like they're like somewhat
02:39:48.820similar in age but still an l uh i can hear you but you're low yeah sean you're you're um very soft
02:39:57.940they said i'm soft the volume yeah can we raise it
02:40:03.460mic test one two one two uh still coming in low still low yo yo yo yo still low
02:40:12.940mic test one two one two still low still low
02:40:17.640however you had it before was good they said however we had it before for audio wise at least
02:40:24.820oh you didn't change anything jesus are they using obs are you on obs
02:40:31.820are you using obs no they're not maybe up your microphone um on the website
02:40:44.520is there a way to increase the volume on the site he said
02:40:47.740actually you know what i think i found a way to do it on mine go ahead to talk again sean
02:40:53.080i'm maxed out on mine you're maxed out on yours um hey sean i hear you i think you're okay i mean
02:40:59.200you're just moderating so i think we're fine i can't hear you okay yeah we're okay yeah we'll
02:41:04.960make it work i'll just talk louder than normal yeah talk louder than normal and i even bumped
02:41:08.100up the audio on my side a little bit so okay you guys ready we're ready all right yeah we're good
02:41:14.440guys can we start this oh it already started all right all right guys here for a debate today we
02:41:21.840got dinesh and myron the prompt is is trump doing the right thing is he winning or losing the war
02:41:27.240We're going to do five minute openings, 40 minutes back and forth and then five minute closings.
02:41:32.160We're going to start with Myron's five minute opening. Myron, whenever you start talking, I'll start the timer.
02:41:37.980OK, so, yeah, so. This war is a catastrophe in every angle.
02:41:45.580I think that we're losing this conflict from multiple different angles.
02:41:48.760I think we're losing it diplomatically. I think we're losing it economically.
02:41:51.600We're losing it militarily to a degree, even though we are still pummeling Iran with our over superior fighting power.0.71
02:42:01.740But we're also losing our basically our footing in the region.0.59
02:42:06.280And then lastly, politically, obviously, this war and I'll kind of go through.
02:42:10.260So first, when I say diplomatically, we are hurting our partners in the Gulf who we just literally did strategic alliances with for more investments.
02:42:18.880We had a duty to protect them and support them, and we've put them in harm's way and
02:42:23.100affected our own credibility in the region.
02:42:25.620Partners that have been alongside us for a very long time, including members of NATO,
02:42:30.420have distanced themselves from this reckless foreign policy.
02:42:35.000Economically, we're literally experiencing one of the worst energy crises we've ever
02:42:39.080experienced since the 1970s and or during the Russia-Ukraine war when it first kicked
02:42:45.460Many different economists and energy experts agree to this.0.86
02:42:48.420militarily, we are destroying Iran and their, you know, their Navy and Air Force, etc.0.91
02:42:54.760But that's not really the root cause of the problem here.0.94
02:42:56.880It's the ballistic missile program, which is what's actually doing the majority of their damage in their drones.
02:43:00.920And, you know, we see that they absolutely still have the capabilities to launch missiles and drones,
02:43:06.740despite the fact that, you know, people at the Pentagon say we took out 90 percent of their ability to attack,
02:43:12.940which I think is ridiculous and not true.
02:43:14.480And that's actually been corrected recently by intelligence agencies saying that, look, it's somewhere maybe around 50 percent that we've destroyed at this point.
02:43:22.560And then lastly, and we could go into more, you know, later, but this is my opening here.
02:43:28.780And then lastly, politically, Trump campaigned on no new wars.
02:43:32.160And the fact that he has gone back on that promise and got us into another conflict with a, you know, fairly formidable power has created a lot of issues for us alongside all the other issues that I've stated before.
02:43:44.620So this goes against what he campaigned against.
02:43:47.980It goes against what a lot of us voted for.
02:43:49.960One of the main reasons I voted for Trump was foreign policy and not getting us into wars, ending the Russia-Ukraine conflict, not getting involved with Iran, not creating more Middle Eastern wars like we did with Iraq.
02:44:00.540We've seen that that was a monumental failure.
02:44:02.840And quite frankly, he's betrayed his base and it's, you know, that voted for him for the anti-war perspective.
02:44:07.740So these are the reasons why I think this war has been a catastrophe and a strategic failure in many different ways, despite the fact that we might still be winning it militarily in some limited perspective.
02:44:19.800You still have 220, Myron. Do you want to end it there or keep going?
02:44:22.440No, because I just wanted to kind of overview my different views of why we're losing this thing.
02:44:27.040And then, you know, and then we can expand later on based on whatever Dinesh wants to go into.
02:44:31.800Okay. When you start, Dinesh, I'll start the timer.
02:44:34.180all right uh sean thanks for having us um really appreciate the chance to have this conversation
02:44:40.460and participate in this debate i'm in a little bit of a funny position because i have a defense
02:44:45.700of trump and a defense of what he's doing in iran but it happens not to be trump's own defense in
02:44:52.600other words i want to argue that it's very common on the left and the right among people who don't
02:44:58.400like trump but even people who like trump to try to understand him in some kind of ideological
02:45:03.620framework. Like Trump campaigned on being sort of an isolationist. He said, we're not going to
02:45:09.560get involved abroad. And I want to argue that Trump is not fundamentally an ideological guy
02:45:16.460at all. He is a transactional guy. If you want to think of how Trump thinks, he thinks like the
02:45:22.020Chinese. When the Chinese go to Africa, they don't say, we're going to help you create democracy.
02:45:27.020They say, hey, listen, we'll give you some money to build a port. And we want to have some leverage0.94
02:45:31.220over your economy, and we want to have part ownership of that port. And so the Chinese0.99
02:45:36.620are building their leverage that way. Let's remember that a lot of people who voted for0.80
02:45:40.740Trump voted for a businessman. They said, we don't want a politician. We've heard the normal
02:45:45.540political talk, a lot of it fundamentally dishonest. Let's bring in a guy who's transactional,
02:45:51.960who knows how to run things. In fact, we're going to bring in not just any kind of businessman,
02:45:55.720man, we're going to bring in like a real estate guy. And that's, in fact, what happened. And so
02:46:01.560Trump, I would argue, is sort of the world's first, certainly America's first real estate
02:46:07.200president, by which I mean, he's protecting the property values, of course, the home values,
02:46:12.840of course, the people, also the assets of the United States. And he views the world through
02:46:18.660that framework. I think it's important to understand Trump before we defend Trump,
02:46:22.700before I attempt to make a defense of Trump.
02:46:25.000So in my opening statement, I'm going to make no defense.
02:46:27.400I'm just sort of laying out how Trump, I think, views the Middle East, how he views Iran.
02:46:34.840Essentially, Trump is trying to create a peaceful, prosperous framework for the Middle East.
02:46:40.380Even when Trump looks at Gaza, he's like, hey, listen, I'm a real estate guy.
02:48:03.760The Chinese are far more pragmatic and anti-war than Trump is.
02:48:08.660Also, the Chinese are not controlled by the Israel lobby like Trump is.
02:48:13.020As far as Trump having—he has peaceful ideas in the Middle East, I disagree with that.
02:48:21.480And the reason why is because he's backed Israel's campaign all across the Middle East to bomb all their neighbors and attack,
02:48:27.600despite the fact that he said that he wanted to bring some type of peace to the Middle East.
02:48:32.320And it's Trump's own policies, honestly, that have created a lot of the problems.
02:48:35.820He recognized the embassy and moved the capital to Jerusalem.
02:48:39.480He brokered the Abraham Accords, which the Abraham Accords was a large reason why Hamas invaded on October 7th,0.58
02:48:46.420because they were basically trying to get—well, Netanyahu for a very long time has been trying to get around the Palestine question.0.71
02:48:53.440And one of the ways that he was doing that was through the Abraham Accords,
02:48:55.900trying to get these Muslim countries to recognize Israel as a sovereign country or recognize them diplomatically.
02:49:01.980And Saudi Arabia was flirting with potentially joining the Abraham Accords,
02:49:04.480And this is actually what led to a part of the reason of what led to the Hamas attack, because they understood that if Saudi Arabia was to join the Abraham Accords, this is create lots of problems for them and they never be able to get the sovereignty that they're fighting for.
02:49:17.580Also, I think it's important to note besides that, that you said you also mentioned death to America argument and radical Islam.
02:49:28.340Now, you know, when they say death to America, that's more of like a, and I just had a discussion with Scott Horn about this.1.00
02:49:36.180Death to America is more like fuck America and fuck Israel, right?0.99
02:49:38.980It's like if you stub your toe, as he famously says, you're going to say, oh, my God, death to this corner over here that hit my foot.1.00
02:49:45.460So it's more of a phrase rather than a political ideology.
02:49:51.520We've been interfering in their affairs since the 1950s with Operation Ajax in 1953, where we overthrew their democratically elected leader, Mossadegh, which led to the revolution that put these people into power in the first place.
02:50:07.960Mossadegh tried to nationalize the oil.
02:50:11.120We stepped in with the Brits, MI5, as well as Mossad, and we basically got them out of power so that we can maintain control.0.93
02:50:19.460And then we put the Shah to power. And that Shah ended up getting overthrown because he didn't have the best interests of his country.0.82
02:50:25.880And then you also mentioned, Dinesh, radical Islam. I would argue that we have radical Jews that run America and Israel.
02:50:33.020If you look at people like Netanyahu and the Likud party, Netanyahu is probably the most sane of these individuals.0.62
02:50:39.100But let's not forget the fact that another reason why Hamas attacked on October 7th was because there's lots of radical Jews in Israel that want to destroy the Laksa Mosque.0.80
02:50:47.020And by destroying the Luxa Mosque with their five red cows, et cetera, that is going to bring about the Antichrist and or their Messiah.0.74
02:50:56.040So I find it interesting how people say all the time that these guys are radical Islamists, these guys are evil, blah, blah, blah, when in reality, it is the Israelis and the Jewish lobby and the Temple Institute who are the ones that are pushing for a religious prophecy that's going to bring about the end of the world.0.89
02:51:10.700So it's it's incredible how, you know, we push this propaganda in the West when it is the Israelis that are pushing a lot of the radical religion, religious ideology to justify their warfare all across the Middle East.0.73
02:51:24.280That was three minutes thirty five. Are you done, Myron?0.86
02:51:26.880And then there was one other thing. Dinesh, you mentioned something about peaceful peace in the Middle East.
02:51:33.280Oh, another thing. Trump and Marco Rubio have been giving even more money than the Biden administration when it comes to peace.
02:51:39.940I would argue he's done less for peace than Biden because he gave them the two thousand pound bombs.
02:51:44.860He allowed them to continue the the war, didn't put any type of barriers on them in Gaza.
02:51:51.500Yes, he was able to negotiate some type of peace as he came into the office.
02:51:54.840But I think that was more diplomatic posturing, because as soon as that ceasefire ended in March or so about 2025 and the starvation really started to hit, he really didn't do much.
02:52:04.740He didn't really do much to support the Palestinians.
02:52:07.820And until we solve the Palestine question, we're never going to have peace in the Middle East.0.92
02:52:11.700And enabling and supporting the Israelis is only going to make things worse in this regard.0.97
02:52:16.780Until we solve the Palestine question, we're never going to have peace.0.95
02:52:19.560And Trump's Abraham Accords and his catastrophic pulling out of the JCPOA and labeling the IRGC as a terrorist organization alongside Mike Pompeo has also led to a lot of the problems that we have as well.
02:52:30.900So I'll kind of just land it there, though.
02:53:49.780And so radical Islam is already mobilizing to sort of restore its lost glory starting in the 1920s.0.96
02:53:59.180Now, let's fast forward to Iran. I want to talk for a moment about what Myron talked about in the 1950s. First of all, Mohammad Mosaddegh was not democratically elected. The Iranian people did not vote for him. He didn't get any kind of majority. He was selected by the Majli, by the parliament. He was ultimately appointed by the Shah.0.68
02:54:23.300So this is how Mosaddegh came to power.0.94
02:54:25.920Now, true, when he came to power, he sort of changed his stripes.
03:00:21.100Hey, if we had to get involved in this conflict because we knew the Israelis were going to attack, an attack on the Israelis was going to be—an attack by the Israelis would be looked at as an attack by the United States, and we had to get involved there so that we can kind of hedge the damage that might come our way.
03:00:35.460And that dragged us into the current conflict that we're in.0.98
03:00:38.760So I would argue that Israel is a huge liability.1.00
03:00:50.440I'm not saying that, but I do find it incredible that they have the nerve to sit there and say that these guys are terrorists and that these guys aren't responsible or not measured and shouldn't have a nuclear weapon, when in reality, Israel has a nuclear weapon.
03:01:01.200Israel's not a part of the NPT. Israel got their nuclear weapon illegally. Israel just got done doing a genocide. Israel literally is trying to build a temple mount with radical Jews to destroy a mosque.0.63
03:01:11.400No one ever points to the radical Judaism that runs this country because as much as we want to complain about radical Islam, which I agree with you, Dinesh, can be a problem.0.96
03:01:19.840Let's be honest here. Do radical Islamists control America? No, but radical Jews do because these Jews support the Temple Institute and radical Zionists as well, which has led to a lot of problems that we have in the Middle East.1.00
03:01:31.860So if we're going to talk about religious zealots that are creating issues, let's talk about radical Judaism. But no one wants to have that conversation.0.84
03:01:40.160One minute left, Myron. Do you want it?
03:02:29.500Well, I got to start out with what I think is one point that Myron makes that borders on the conical.
03:02:35.920And that is the idea that Iran's reaction was measured due to moral restraint.0.68
03:02:45.040No, Iran's reaction was measured because they had no other reaction to do.0.57
03:02:50.680It's kind of like saying if I step into the ring and I get so badly pummeled that I'm flat on the ground and therefore I'm flailing from the ground.0.81
03:02:58.800You can't say, oh, look at that guy. He's being so restrained. He's only flailing from the ground.
03:03:34.520So their restraint is fake. It's not restraint. It's actually genuine weakness that has been imposed on them on the losing side of a military campaign.
03:03:43.460And even Myron admitted that they are losing this militarily.0.60
03:03:47.240Now, turning to Israel in a kind of fundamental way, I want to go to the root of the matter by saying quite simply that, first of all, the Palestinians are not native to Gaza.
03:03:59.300If you go back to ancient times, the Jews were in Israel,
03:04:02.840but the people who were in Gaza were what the Bible calls the Philistines.
03:04:07.460And the Philistines are actually Europeans.
03:04:30.500Why don't we let the people in Gaza choose their own government?
03:04:33.220And in the early 2000s, they elected Hamas.
03:04:36.140And Hamas, being elected by the people, became the legitimate representative of Gaza.
03:04:41.480Now, I admit that they didn't have subsequent elections, putting their legitimacy in question.
03:04:47.100But the truth of it is they had built deep roots in Gaza.
03:04:51.060And so when the October 7 attacks occurred, and I think, you know, Myron has done a lot to try to minimize those things.
03:04:57.060The simple truth of it is when somebody else attacks you first in this way, you are not bound by any rules of so-called proportionality.
03:05:08.380It's sort of like saying if someone does a home invasion on me, let's just say rapes my wife, kills my kids.
03:05:15.240And then he runs off and he's got nine kids of his own.
03:05:18.380he jumps in a car, he's trying to make a getaway, and he goes, hey, listen, I want to make sure that
03:05:23.460your response is proportional to what I did. I want to make sure that you don't do anything to
03:05:28.160me that's worse than what I did to you unprovoked. So the truth of it is, in every example of warfare
03:05:34.520that I'm familiar with, Pearl Harbor comes to mind. I understand, if I recall correctly, there
03:05:39.780was something like 2,000 U.S. casualties in Pearl Harbor. Very low levels of casualties. In fact,
03:05:45.880who could argue that Pearl Harbor was a military target? And yet the United States goes to war
03:05:52.220with Japan. In fact, not only that, declares war also begins not only on the Pacific front,
03:05:57.900but also on the European front, levels essentially the nation of Japan with ultimately two atomic
03:06:04.080bombs. And so if you try to measure the original provocation and the U.S. response, I would argue
03:06:10.880the U.S. response was disproportionate, but Japan started it, and the United States had every right0.96
03:06:17.080to finish it. Now, no one can deny that October 7th was not merely a Hamas operation. It was an0.83
03:06:25.620operation that was cooked up. Yes, it involved the Hamas guys, but many of the Hamas guys were0.67
03:06:31.700in Qatar. Iran was involved. Turkey was involved. The Sudan was involved. This was a carefully
03:06:38.480planned operation over a long period of time. And so Israel has every right to say that we are
03:06:44.000striking back, not just against the operatives from Gaza who launched the immediate attack,0.79
03:06:49.960but we have every right to strike back at the planners of October 7th. Will Iran publicly deny
03:06:56.700that it was involved in the planning of October 7th? No. In fact, the Mullahs take credit for it.
03:07:02.400They're very proud of it. They see it as part of the global Islamic jihad that they're part of.0.98
03:07:07.980And so, again, I would argue that Israel has every right to respond in the way that it did.0.88
03:07:13.840And a kind of Myron headcount of what Hamas did doesn't impose limitations on what Israel can do to immobilize the future threat posed by Hamas.0.86
03:08:30.760So I would argue that they are being restrained because they do have the capability of actually destroying Israel, especially when it comes to their ability to launch ballistic missiles that go against the Iron Dome, and they don't have enough interceptors to deal with their capabilities.
03:08:45.560Also, you mentioned that proportionality doesn't matter.0.70
03:08:48.460Well, it actually does because that goes to show the restraint of said country.
03:08:52.840I find it interesting how they lost pretty much identical numbers.0.73
03:08:56.980On October 7th, the Israelis lost somewhere, we'll say to be simple, 1,000.
03:09:01.320And during the 12-day war, the Iranians lost 1,000.0.95
03:09:04.520Well, one responded by conducting a genocide and bombing all their neighbors and invading other countries.0.95
03:09:08.740The other one responded by bombing Israel, not bombing everybody else, and then doing a ceasefire after,0.71
03:09:14.800and then even responding to the United States after we bombed them with a symbolic strike where they didn't kill anyone.0.78
03:09:19.540And they gave a notification before they did so.0.86
03:09:22.140So as much as people want to say that the mullahs aren't as restrained or as pragmatic, etc., I would argue that they absolutely are and far more than the Israelis.0.92
03:09:31.920And that's because, I agree with you on this, they understand that they don't have the backing of the United States like the Israelis do.0.87
03:09:38.060So it is the backing of the United States which allows the Israelis to behave the way that they do and then not exercise proportionality.0.95
03:09:45.820And this is why the entire international community has been condemning Israel, and they've lost so much support, because it's not just me that's saying this.0.83
03:09:53.000The whole world saw how they reacted after October 7th.
03:09:55.840So proportionality is absolutely important to see the measuredness and the rationale of a government when they're retaliating in a war.
03:10:04.160Getting attacked on October 7th and losing 1,000 people does not justify genocide.
03:10:08.220And when Iran lost the same exact amount of people when they were attacked, on top of all the other escalations that the Israelis have done that I mentioned before, whether it's assassinating a diplomat, assassinating a political figure in their country and causing great embarrassment, bombing the embassy in Damascus, doing all the false flags that they do, assassinating nuclear scientists, killing generals, all this other stuff.
03:10:29.440The Iranians, I would argue, have been far more measured given the fact that Israel has been attacking them for a very long time.
03:10:37.660Two minutes left. So, yeah, I mean, I think that's, I think if we're going to talk about proportionality, it's definitely a required thing to talk about. And you're saying it doesn't matter. I think it absolutely does matter. Because when the Israelis act as reckless as they do, we end up footing the bill for a lot of their problems.
03:10:55.780We end up looking like the idiots, backing them, running security for them at the U.N., funding their bullshit.1.00
03:11:02.060And that obviously undermines our position in the region and makes it harder for other countries in the region to want to work with us.0.99
03:11:09.440And we're losing some of that influence right now, as a matter of fact, because what we've effectively demonstrated is that as these Gulf states are getting bombed, where are we putting our priorities?0.56
03:11:17.540We're putting our priorities in protecting Israel.
03:11:20.520Hell, even our bases got demolished.1.00
03:11:22.700And the Iranians could have done this a while ago.0.97
03:11:24.820They could have demolished our bases, and it took us attacking them directly, killing their supreme leader, and initiating an all-out war.0.97
03:11:31.740While we're in the middle of peace talks, by the way, for them to finally say, you know what, enough is enough.0.76
03:11:35.800Then they closed the strait of Hamus, they destroyed all of our bases in the region for the most part, they're attacking Israel back.0.68
03:11:41.280They could have done this a long time ago, but they didn't.0.91
03:11:43.740So I would argue they've been acting way more rational and measured than the Israelis.1.00
03:11:54.820When Myron first brought up this issue of Iran's moral restraint, I thought he was using it just as a kind of throwaway line, but he's dug in on it so much that I think it deserves to be scrutinized and perhaps even mocked a little bit.0.84
03:12:12.340Because, look, Iran, I admit, has built up a tremendous force, not just in Iran, but not just in the region of the Middle East with surrogates like Hezbollah, but also projected its power beyond the Middle East.
03:12:27.840Iran has had a very powerful presence. My wife is Venezuelan. Powerful presence in Venezuela.
03:12:32.840Iranians in the Venezuelan parliament, military material coming into the Venezuelan airports from Iran on a daily basis on a private terminal.
03:12:43.300All of this has been going on now for years.0.60
03:12:45.760So Iran was trying to create a beachhead on the Americas where it could project its power not just in South America, but of course you're now a couple of thousand miles from Miami.0.87
03:12:55.840from Miami. So this is a very aggressive, powerful society with 90 million people, as I mentioned
03:13:02.760earlier. Second, Iran has shown the ability to have unbelievably bloodthirsty wars that impose1.00
03:13:10.200hundreds of thousands of casualties. Think back, for example, one of the memorable experiences1.00
03:13:15.820politically for me was just watching the absolute carnage of the Iran-Iraq war. Remember the Iran-Iraq0.95
03:13:22.000war, you just have mass slaughter going on on both sides, hundreds of thousands of casualties
03:13:27.120on both sides, essentially the two countries bleeding each other into the ground. So the idea
03:13:32.580that somehow Iran is this kind of rational, measured guy that, you know, even though they're
03:13:38.020taking a tremendous beating, hey, we have no army, hey, we have no air force, hey, we've got no navy,
03:13:42.960but guess what? We're not going to strike back, and we're not going to strike back, not because
03:13:46.920we can't. Not because little Israel with 10 million people is kicking our butts. Not because0.98
03:13:53.140this little country that is the size of New Jersey has been able to pistol whip the Arab0.62
03:13:59.440countries of the Middle East, including Iran, going back to the 48 war, the 67 war, the 73 war.0.88
03:14:06.200I mean, it's a major embarrassment. And it's a major embarrassment now that Israel in 12 days0.91
03:14:33.900Oh, sure, they could level Tel Aviv tomorrow.
03:14:36.000They could level Jerusalem the next day.
03:14:37.940They could level the Hats or the day after that.
03:14:40.220They're just not doing it because they're super nice guys.
03:14:43.480I mean, to me, this is just laughable. It's absurd.
03:14:46.160Any country that has been pummeled in the way that Iran has is going to use what it can.1.00
03:14:51.480Now, I think Iran has been trying to do that.1.00
03:14:53.900They were able to get one missile off to Diego Garcia, but guess what?0.95
03:14:58.360I don't know if it even killed a couple of cows.
03:15:00.720It certainly didn't kill anybody. It was disarmed.
03:15:04.060And while they have had some strikes in Israel, the damage has been almost comically minimal.
03:15:10.220And I say this because, see, normally when powerful countries fight, you actually have serious damage on both sides.0.87
03:15:16.800I mean, I think of the Civil War, you know, the Northern armies lose 3,000, Robert E. Lee loses 1,500, and it's a great victory for Robert E. Lee.
03:15:24.780Man, he only lost 1,500, he lost only half the number of people that the Union army did, and so he's a genius, he's a military strategic genius.
03:15:33.080In this case, you can almost count on like two hands the number of casualties on the American-Israeli side, and the Iranian casualties are much greater, and the damage to Iran is huge.0.65
03:15:46.080So an immensely powerful country has been leveled by the combined operations, highly successful military operations.0.52
03:15:54.060And look, at the end of the day, you can say, you know, we're losing diplomatically, you know, we're losing reputationally, we're losing blah, blah, blah.
03:16:01.780At the end of the day, the guy who wins the war always wins everything else in the end.
03:16:07.900I mean, there was a lot of Southern propaganda against Lincoln, but when Lincoln won the war and the country was unified, that was it.
03:16:15.080And the Republican Party then ruled the United States for the next 50 years.
03:16:18.860So if we get a peaceful, prosperous, pro-American Iran out of this, it's going to be great news for the Iranian people, great news for the region,
03:16:27.920great news for uae and bahrain and oman and qatar and saudi arabia all these muslim countries are
03:16:35.160going to be cheering not to mention israel and it's also great news for the united states
03:16:39.740okay myron okay hold on one second just writing down some of this stuff uh we got 25 minutes left
03:16:47.160guys okay no worries and i'm gonna you know what i'm gonna yo maz do me a favor guys i'm gonna end0.51
03:16:51.020my youtube stream come on over to kick everybody everybody come on over to kick i'm gonna end the
03:16:54.140youtube stream here just give me one sec uh and then dinesh the last part you were saying there
03:17:00.500with uh you're saying that we're going to get a democratic iran because of this or no no i'm
03:17:06.440saying if we get a demo if we get if we get a a regime change which i support i hope we do get one
03:17:12.680and the malas are out i don't know exactly what will come in its place it might be a constitutional0.99
03:17:17.140monarchy maybe the the shah's son will come back i don't know but it's going to be better than
03:17:21.380what's there now okay i just want to make sure i have everything right uh okay do you guys want0.99
03:17:35.060to keep doing the timed responses or do you want to switch it to open dialogue um we could do one
03:17:39.460or two more rounds this and we could do open dialogue i'm cool with that okay i'm just making
03:17:42.980sure i have uh dinesh's argument here uh yeah sean i like the timing only because this way we just
03:17:48.560don't interrupt each other you know sean has his own i mean myron has his time i have my time and
03:17:52.620so it's actually very cool we each get to lay out our point and then stop within the five minutes
03:17:57.520whenever we want okay yeah i'm cool yeah that's why i suggested the time rounds from from the
03:18:01.980beginning it just makes it easier um all right guys come on over i'm gonna end the uh the kick
03:18:06.480stream right now sorry guys i'm just for the quick little um thing here i'm streaming everywhere so
03:18:12.020uh i'm just gonna make sure i have i'm getting the hell off youtube all right guys come on over
03:18:46.760these proxies and Hezbollah, etc., these were all created from Israeli aggression. Let's not forget0.53
03:18:52.400that the creation of Hezbollah came in 1982 after Israel invaded Lebanon looking for the PLO and
03:18:57.260trying to kill Yasser Arafat. So same thing with Hamas, same thing with the IRGC. All these
03:19:03.220organizations or these terrorist organizations that people talk about were created because of
03:19:08.560Israeli aggression in the region and the fact that we backed them. Next, you made a comment
03:19:13.700saying that iran is a bloodthirsty country with wars uh that's not true saddam hussein actually
03:19:18.080invaded iran he failed and who backed them we did as well as the israelis because at the time
03:19:23.800uh we wanted to support and get rid of the shiites and uh and we supported him in invading them they0.92
03:19:31.000ended up losing and ended up being a war that lasted almost a decade um with almost nothing0.99
03:19:35.940to show for it and then this actually is what led to saddam hussein's aggression after the fact with
03:19:40.760invading Kuwait and everything else like that because that war put them in an enormous amount
03:19:43.600of debt so our backing as usual uh typically leads to a lot of the problems that we cause
03:19:49.940right so this is another reason why intervention creates so many problems um also you mentioned
03:19:53.980that Iran was put on their knees during the 12-day war uh but that's not true because we don't well
03:19:59.020hold on let me rephrase they were absolutely attacked and uh hurt quite a bit from the 12-day
03:20:04.560war I'm not disputing the fact that they took some significant losses a bunch of their generals
03:20:08.260were killed it was a it was um you know literally a genius operation by the massad i've always given
03:20:13.000credit to the israeli intelligence um capabilities like whether it be the pager attack or whatever
03:20:18.260but let's be very honest here and understand that um that 12-day attack led to them getting
03:20:24.180hit back very hard in a manner that they've never been hit before and that's what had them reeling
03:20:28.820and saying we need to end this war begging trump for a ceasefire so though iran did take a
03:20:33.680significant amount of damage and i agree with you on that i'm not disputing that uh israel did as
03:20:37.880well this is why they had a censorship ban uh where you couldn't actually document any of the
03:20:42.520damage going on you couldn't document anything going on in the country uh strategically and
03:20:46.580some people were actually being arrested for this uh because so but the iranians absolutely were
03:20:50.760able to hit the israelis back very hard with the ballistic missile program i would argue they hit
03:20:54.340them back so hard that this is a big reason why the israelis attacked them this time or had to
03:20:59.400attack them again this time in early 2026 because they figured figured out that their ballistic0.69
03:21:03.780missile program was so sophisticated and uh now they're kind of paying for it because Israel's0.57
03:21:08.560been getting bombed they're having they're getting Chinese and Russian intelligence they've been far0.67
03:21:11.520more accurate but it was because of the 12-day war and Iran's retaliation that made Israel realize0.91
03:21:16.580oh we really got to get a regime change and get these guys out of here because they do have the0.86
03:21:20.400capability to actually destroy us and they didn't um so I would argue that shows even more so0.87
03:21:25.200proportionality and the ability to be reasoned in military responses whereas Israel's not because0.70
03:21:30.380when we compare the numbers and there's a reason why i was using those numbers when israel loses0.75
03:21:33.920a thousand they do a genocide and attack all their neighbors iran loses a thousand and they respond0.76
03:21:39.400with a measured response but back towards the aggressor israel and then obviously the lu dead
03:21:44.300base where they notified them and no americans were killed um and then also you mentioned that
03:21:48.920the casualties are low uh and laughable by iran i would agree with you on that we have somewhere
03:21:53.700between thank god only 13 to 15 u.s soldiers that were killed um which you know obviously as someone
03:21:58.760who's an American and is America first. I don't want soldiers to die, which is why I oppose this
03:22:02.360war so much. But let's not, and obviously the U.S. and Israel is being fairly successful
03:22:08.140from a military standpoint, but let's not lose sight of, you know, the entire war strategically.
03:22:14.160We have not really accomplished any of our goals. You know, Trump and Marco Rubio have been running
03:22:18.280around saying, oh yeah, we destroyed their Navy, we destroyed their Air Force. They never had an
03:22:23.160Air Force. These guys had jets from like the 1970s, okay? Their Navy, they have boats from the
03:22:28.420World War II era, like their Navy and their air force is not the reason why we joined the Israelis in attacking them.
03:22:36.380That is not the main reason why the Israelis attacked them.
03:22:38.200They might sit there and say the nuclear bomb, that's just a ruse to build up political appreciation here stateside for the war.
03:22:44.660The real reason was the ballistic missile program, which is heavily safeguarded and dispersed all across the place with their mosaic defense.
03:24:10.500If anything, our rhetoric and our, the way we've been behaving, bombing them, et cetera, alongside the Israelis, it's made them rally around the flag even more so.1.00
03:24:19.460The only people that think that we're still going to have some type of democracy or monarchy are retarded Iranian monarchists that, quite frankly, are out of touch.0.97
03:24:27.940Okay, that was 540, Dinesh, so I'll give you equal time.1.00
03:24:34.320Yeah, I think that Iran had the opportunity early on to try to rally the Muslim countries in the region the way the Palestinians have and make this seem like a war against Islam.0.99
03:24:53.800Iran was so dumb that they didn't do that.0.86
03:24:57.000They actually began to attack bases and assets in these countries, thus making it really easy for really rich and powerful Muslim countries to go far beyond what they have done before.0.98
03:25:11.960Not merely to denounce Iran, but freeze Iranian assets, limit Iranian access, even talk about joining the U.S. and Israeli initiative if the attacks continue.0.84
03:25:24.440So Iran has done something, I think, monumentally stupid, and that it has alienated its other potential allies in the Muslim world, even in the Middle East.0.97
03:25:35.100Forget about Muslims in Pakistan and Indonesia.0.99
03:25:37.760I'm just talking about Muslims in the region.1.00
03:25:39.900This, I think, was a catastrophic blunder.1.00
03:25:43.640Now, with regard to the regime change, here is my view.
03:25:46.820Trump did not sell this expedition as a regime change war.
03:25:53.100And I don't think that for him it is. Trump would be very happy to immobilize the Iranian ballistic missile program, incapacitate Iran as a potential destructive terrorist power in the region, and finally have commercial traffic flowing freely through and around the Strait of Hormuz.
03:26:18.200Very interestingly, Myron said, hey, these Iranians, they don't even have any ships.0.79
03:26:23.240And then two minutes later, they're controlling the Strait of Hormuz.
03:26:27.240Well, how do you control the Strait of Hormuz if you don't have any ships and you don't have any navy?
03:26:32.940The truth of it is Iran has been trying to have a kind of cordon, a circle around the Strait of Hormuz.
03:26:39.820By the way, you know, if you build the Panama Canal and it's very expensive to operate the canal,
03:26:45.460You can charge tolls to people who go through the canal because this is an asset that you've created.
03:26:51.480The Strait of Hormuz is not like that.
03:26:53.360It's just an opening where the oil goes through.0.87
03:26:55.880Iran doesn't do anything, but they want to control it for the same reason the mafia wanted to control Canal Street.0.59
03:27:02.940And Trump has sort of outsmarted them.
03:27:04.940He's like, okay, you build a circle around the Strait of Hormuz.
03:27:07.880We'll build a bigger circle around you and control the ships that go to Iranian ports.
03:27:14.160And so Trump has, in a way, checkmated Iran, even in the one kind of final remaining card,0.52
03:27:20.920what the Iranians thought was their Trump card, if I can use that term, and Trump has sort of outsmarted them.
03:27:26.380Now, Israel, I think, does want regime change in Iran, and maybe the Israelis want to keep going even after the United States has completed its mission.
03:27:34.560This shows that American and Israeli interests are not identical.
03:27:38.100We do what we need to do, America first, and then we're done.0.94
03:27:41.160And if the Israelis want to keep going, that's up to them.0.91
03:27:43.580In my opinion, you cannot do regime change without a land invasion, without going door-to-door.0.99
03:27:52.300And so what that means is not that regime change cannot happen, but if regime change does happen,0.74
03:27:57.260it has to be done in the end by the Iranian people themselves.
03:28:01.540Remember at the end of the Cold War, when the people themselves of Poland, Czechoslovakia,0.95
03:28:08.120which is now the Czech Republic, Romania, Eastern Europe, Berlin, these are people who took back
03:28:15.400their own countries themselves. They pulled down the Berlin Wall. They went into the Romanian palace
03:28:21.840and grabbed Ceausescu and pulled him out of his office or his home. So in other words, in the end,
03:28:27.380I think that people have to fight for their own freedom. I don't think that we can assure
03:28:31.640regime change to Iran, much as I would like to see that happen. I think we can create the0.95
03:28:36.560conditions for it. Maybe Israel can create the conditions for it as well. But in the end,
03:28:41.820it's up to the Iranian people. Now, if Myron is right, and that the Iranian people are really1.00
03:28:46.040happy living under this autocratic rule of the mullahs for 50 years, and there are very few of0.59
03:28:53.540them that actually support freedom, support democracy, support any different regime, any
03:28:59.840kind of replacement for the mullahs, he has nothing to worry about because the Iranian people are
03:29:04.060going to be very content. But I don't think that they are content. In fact, there were a lot of
03:29:08.780them who were on the street and many of them who were killed by the mullahs not that long ago.
03:29:13.480So quite clearly, there's a powerful movement of dissent in Iran. And ultimately, I'm counting on
03:29:19.000those people, not the people who have been killed, obviously, but people like them to take back their
03:29:24.220own country. You got some time left. You want it? I'm good. Okay. Myron, final five minutes,
03:29:30.680and then we'll get into closing statements okay um so you mentioned a couple of things number one
03:29:37.400you mentioned that uh iran has alienated their muslim neighbors in the region um yeah you can
03:29:42.100make that argument to a degree they pissed off the saudis and some of the gulf states or whatever
03:29:45.360uh but let's be honest here who have they hurt more um their reputation with them or the united
03:29:50.280states i would argue they hurt the united states more because what they've done is exposed that we
03:29:54.560cannot guarantee them the security from which we claim and justify the usage and the creation of
03:30:00.280our bases and placement of our military bases in their area. Keep in mind, these countries only
03:30:04.760allowed us to have military bases there in exchange for protecting them. And what they're
03:30:08.580seeing now is that we not only have led to them getting attacked, but we can't even hold up our
03:30:13.100end of the bargain and protect them. So this is the issue when it comes to that. So yes, has Iran
03:30:18.360alienated their Muslim neighbors to a degree? Absolutely. But I would argue that we're taking
03:30:23.940a way bigger hit from this because now our bases are destroyed. And quite frankly, unless there's
03:30:27.900a regime change they're not going to allow us to rebuild those bases so yes they hurt themselves
03:30:31.880in the process but they've hurt us way more and showed uh that we could be a paper tiger when it
03:30:36.180comes to maintaining our military bases in the region and more than likely we will not have the
03:30:39.800same foothold in the region because of this um next you mentioned that trump didn't sell this
03:30:43.680as a regime change that's laughable at february 28th as he was as he was invading and bombing
03:30:48.660not invading but bombing he literally said at the end of his speech hey iranian people rise up
03:30:54.220Take your government. You know, it's yours to take. We're going to help you guys with bombing them, etc.0.55
03:30:59.100The problem is that Trump grossly miscalculated the amount of people that would be willing to go against the government by getting bad intelligence from Mossad and Netanyahu, who claimed, oh, yeah, we're going to be able to go out and get a regime change.0.72
03:31:11.520Once we go out and kill Kemeni and kill these individuals on opening day, is it going to create instability?0.64
03:31:16.660They're not going to close the straight room loose. They're not going to have the balls to attack their neighbors.1.00
03:31:20.980All of that was a lie, and all of that ended up happening.0.99
03:31:23.780And not only did we kill Khomeini, we went ahead and put his son into power, who's a0.52
03:31:29.080bigger hardliner, and as we continue to kill different layers of the Iranian leadership,0.88
03:31:33.480number one, it's irrelevant because they have a mosaic defense and they're able to attack
03:31:36.320with or without a supreme leader in place anyway.
03:31:38.940They figured this out after the 12-day war, and they've always had this set up.
03:31:42.160But by assassinating Khomeini, the guy who didn't want nuclear weapons, who had a fat1.00
03:31:46.180one in place, we put his son in who wants nuclear weapons, who's going to say, fuck1.00
03:31:49.840the West, we're going to go ahead and hit these guys. We can't trust them because we attacked them,1.00
03:31:53.280what, two or three times now at this point while we're in the middle of negotiations.
03:31:57.000So Trump absolutely wanted a regime change. He's just walking it back now because he's realizing
03:32:01.440that he can't get the regime change. How else do I know this? Well, Scott Bessent crashed the real
03:32:06.080on purpose in 2026. They had Mossad riots, smuggled in a bunch of Starlink. They smuggled
03:32:12.000in a bunch of weapons. Trump admitted to this a couple of days ago that they smuggled weapons in
03:32:15.340trying to cause some type of uprise and it all fell flat on its face and if anything all we did
03:32:20.300was rally the people even more so again let me be clear about this i am not saying that the
03:32:24.420iranians love their government i'm not saying that and i'm not saying that the government's good i0.89
03:32:28.600hate the fact that i even have to defend these fucking guys but there is so much information0.95
03:32:31.860propaganda in the west that i have to come out and tell the truth here the reality is as much0.99
03:32:37.160as they might hate their government as much they might hate the supreme leader or the parliament
03:32:41.000or Pereskian, etc., they're going to side with their government when a foreign invader like the
03:32:46.300United States and Israel are bombing them nonstop. And then the fact that Trump made the true social
03:32:51.620post he made about killing a civilization or destroying their power plants or bombing them
03:32:57.680back to the Stone Age, all of this has made the Iranians realize, yo, these guys don't care about0.78
03:33:01.500actually helping us. They just want to destroy us. So we've made them rally around the flag1.00
03:33:04.96010 times more so to the point where there's several videos where people are protesting in
03:33:09.580streets and they get bombed. And as they get bombed by U.S. and Israeli assets, what are they
03:33:15.800doing? They cheer. Oh, fuck the United States. Fuck Israel. We've made them even more extreme0.89
03:33:21.380in their want for revenge. And the Mossad was obviously behind a lot of these different riots.
03:33:27.500Pompeo admitted this on Twitter saying a Mossad agent walks amongst you. You know, we Trump
03:33:32.400admitted that he had smuggled the guns. We know that the Starlink's being smuggled in were funded
03:33:36.960by also the cia um this is why the chinese and the russians got involved with shutting down the
03:33:41.360starlinks as they were trying to go ahead and get these riots going on so uh that's one thing and
03:33:46.440then also you mentioned the iran controls the straighter humus uh or they don't just control
03:33:51.780the straighter humus the thing is this they don't have to actually control the straighter humus and
03:33:54.860you mentioned that they destroyed their navy well isn't that kind of funny how we destroyed their
03:33:58.160navy yet the straighter humus is still pretty much closed to ships that they don't want to go0.95
03:34:01.660through and that's because the iranians all they needed to do was project the ability to destroy
03:34:06.740strips that go through they don't actually have to do it all they got to do is make it where the
03:34:10.720insurance companies don't want to insure the vessels and then trade stops and that's and
03:34:14.940they've been able to do that effectively they don't actually have to bomb anybody and i find
03:34:18.100it comical that marco rubio and hexeth clay say all the time oh yeah we destroyed their navy well
03:34:23.240how's the straighter humus still closed um and then the last thing i'll finish up on here is
03:34:26.740you mentioned that uh there's the blockade we've basically done a blockaded their blockade that's
03:34:31.400also comical because vessels have already went through we've seen this the chinese vessel has
03:34:35.200been able to go through and they're not going to be able to maintain this for much longer that is
03:34:38.460why trump pushed to get another ceasefire going on and they're more than likely going to add
03:34:42.520another 10 days because trump trump knows that these destroyers are going to get destroyed
03:34:47.080if they continue to do what they're doing and doing a blockade is an act of war so
03:34:51.220this is just a catastrophe all around but sorry i went over there
03:34:55.100all good okay so that's a wrap there closing statements guys we'll start with dinesh five
03:35:00.560minutes whenever you start, Dinesh. I said that Trump did not sell this as a
03:35:07.480regime change war. And you, Myron, seem to disagree with me by quoting Trump,
03:35:16.780telling the Iranian people, this country is yours to take back for yourselves. Now,
03:35:23.260you notice that this quote, far from undermining what I said, actually agrees with it. Because
03:35:28.180what is Trump saying? He's telling the Iranian people, listen, I'm not going to give you back
03:35:33.500your country. You need to take it back. So I might create the conditions for it to happen,1.00
03:35:39.320but you're going to have to do it. Now, I want to address, I think, the bit of the elephant in the
03:35:47.080room that we haven't addressed, at least not fully today. And that is this issue of Iraq and
03:35:52.720Afghanistan that Myron brought up at the very beginning. And I think that we have learned
03:35:57.980some lessons from those wars, but we've also learned some bad lessons, some wrong lessons.
03:36:03.860The lesson of Afghanistan and Iraq is not that the regime change was bad. In fact, let's start
03:36:12.300with Afghanistan, right? The Taliban loan out the monkey bars for the terrorists to come in from0.94
03:36:17.660Saudi Arabia, from Egypt, from Pakistan to launch 9-11. So the Taliban is directly responsible for0.86
03:36:24.3009-11. They are the host country of 9-11. The United States has every right in the world0.99
03:36:29.600to bomb Kabul, to oust the Taliban, to chase them away from power. The regime change was
03:36:36.620fantastic. It was, by the way, all done with great speedy effectiveness. The problems began
03:36:42.120after that. When people like Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice began to say, if you
03:36:46.760break it, you own it. We now have to create a nanny state over there. We've got to instruct0.93
03:36:51.760the tribes about what to eat and how to organize their tribal councils and what they should
03:36:57.020educate their children with, and we need to create democracy and sway the hearts and all
03:37:02.280of this gobbledygook and nonsense, when the truth of the matter is when you have a country
03:37:07.900that does this to you, you pulverize them, you let their rivals come to power, you make
03:37:13.400sure that their rivals are pro-American, and you get the heck out of there.0.99
03:37:17.160That's what we should have done in Afghanistan.0.95
03:37:19.160And right now, we would probably have the Northern Alliance and a bunch of ruthless tribes that would be running it now.0.93
03:37:25.440And they probably would have killed off most of the Taliban a long time ago.
03:37:28.960But instead, we tried to sort of run this parliamentary democracy Western style.0.85
03:37:35.060That was the mistake, creating a nanny state in Afghanistan.0.57
03:37:38.820And by the way, kind of the same mistake in Iraq.0.75
03:37:43.140Regime change, by the way, has a great and glorious history,
03:37:46.620which many people are not familiar with since their knowledge of history generally extends only about 20 years.
03:37:52.900Think of it. The American Revolution was regime change.
03:37:55.480We got rid of a really bad regime, and it was a really great thing.
03:42:53.800And this is why foreign intervention doesn't work. The problem is that we get engaged in this foreign intervention because we're run by another country who runs our foreign policy, who have an enormous amount of representation.
03:43:01.880I know that you said that it's comical that a country of only nine million can control a country of 300 million.0.96
03:43:07.380Well, that's not so comical, because the problem is that, let's be honest, a lot of the people that are in positions of power are Zionist Jews.0.84
03:52:05.440um nationalize their petroleum right so that they can basically keep their money that they make
03:52:12.200stop bugs shout out to you with the five gifted appreciate you my friend there are two big
03:52:18.740updates we gotta address that came out after our recording from yesterday new footage new document
03:52:25.980and it regards the victim it regards celeste rivas hernandez whose decomposed dismembered body
03:52:32.260And I just messaged my brother. I might bring my brother on right now, too.
03:52:36.640Was found by authorities in that 2023 Tesla that was impounded in a Hollywood tow yard out in Los Angeles.
03:52:43.320Well, first of all, her death certificate has been released. We'll talk about that.
03:52:47.240Not really a bombshell. OK, it lists things we already knew, like how she was found on September 8th, 2025 in a vehicle.
03:52:55.000The cause of death has been deferred. The manner of death is pending.
03:52:58.480When we talk about manner of death, that could be homicide, accidental.
03:53:01.840But this, again, is not surprising because there is still an ongoing investigation and it's consistent with the reporting that we've seen so far.
03:53:09.200And while the death certificate confirms that an autopsy was performed, reporting suggests that the medical examiner is waiting on the results of toxicology examinations.
03:53:18.340Now, this is interesting. The death certificate indicates that Celeste apparently was not pregnant at the time of her death, nor had she been pregnant in the last year.
04:00:16.880So I'm looking right now saying he was not. David was arrested on April 16, 2026 by the LAPD robbery homicide division on suspicion of murder based on probable cause developed during the investigation.
04:00:27.120This was this was a probable cause arrest, sometimes described as executed with a probable cause arrest warrant, not one stemming from a filed criminal complaint or indictment.
04:00:36.480So they're saying there's been no indictment returned by a grand jury in the case of no criminal complaint filed.
04:00:40.980the arrest relied on evidence gathered over months which gave police probable cause to take
04:00:45.000him into custody without needing prior formal uh charging documents from the da or grand jury he is
04:00:50.120being held without bail the case is scheduled to be presented in los angeles county district's
04:00:53.600office on monday april 20th for reviewing a decision on whether to file formal charges
04:00:57.120um so until then yeah so okay so this is the problem with the state dude so this is what i0.68
04:01:03.120hate about the state let me explain to you guys this like because this is super fucking important
04:01:09.160that you guys understand this because this will help you understand true crime stuff a lot better
04:01:12.240when big profile arrests are made like this. So let's go first with the federal system.
04:01:19.140The federal system, there's three main ways that you're going to get arrested
04:01:22.380via the federal system. It's going to be either a criminal complaint, which is supported by
04:01:27.800an affidavit, right, written by a special agent or a task force officer outlining all the probable
04:01:34.920cause as to why they are arresting you, right? Next, an indictment. An indictment occurs where
04:01:44.280a grand jury is put together. You come in and you testify in front of said grand jury with your AUSA
04:01:50.540and you present all the facts, okay? That is you officially being formally charged.
04:01:56.280Every single federal case that goes through needs to go through an indictment. So if I file a
04:02:01.000criminal complaint, arrest the guy, and then put him in jail, I need to get to grand jury within
04:02:08.320two weeks. So that means that we need to indict the case within two weeks because a criminal
04:02:12.320complaint is not enough. Now, you're probably wondering, Lamar, why do a criminal complaint
04:02:15.980if you need to indict anyway? Why not just indict one time and not have to go through the criminal
04:02:19.600complaint process? The reason why is because criminal complaints work for convenience and
04:02:23.520speed. If you got someone that's in custody or someone that you got right then and there with
04:02:27.900a bunch of probable cause. You file the criminal complaint that day, you arrest them, so you got a
04:02:33.460paper trail going, then you come back and indict after the fact. So convenience and speed is why
04:02:39.960criminal complaints are utilized many times in federal cases, right? The third way that you
04:02:47.340could get jammed up by the feds is what's called an information. Now, an information chat is
04:02:52.720something that the a usa files right and it basically is just like an indictment right it's
04:02:59.440a formal charge as well now informations that the federal system are fairly rare you don't see them
04:03:04.580often nine out of ten times when you file with an information it's some type of strange case whether
04:03:09.480it's like the minor case i showed you guys yesterday where like the guy killed his sister
04:03:13.560but he was a minor right so they file that information then they did a superseding indictment
04:03:18.600later on, or it's, you know, the person's cooperating or something like that, and they'll
04:03:24.180file an information, okay, at the federal level. Those are three main ways. Again, recap.
04:03:32.840Criminal complaint, follow it up with an indictment, right, or a grand jury indictment, or
04:03:38.400grand jury indictment, or an information. These are three ways. Now, the state doesn't work like
04:03:46.040that okay and this is why state cases lose so much this is why uh DAs lose cases all the time
04:03:55.080this is why a lot of the time cases don't stick or whatever in the state world a cop can arrest
04:04:01.160you just off of anything damn near the threshold for probable cause is very low chat especially in
04:04:07.060the state level so and and there's a reason for this right like let's say you're um you know
04:04:12.880you're a patrol cop and you catch someone on the side of the road and you see drugs in a car well
04:04:17.920are you going to call a prosecutor three o'clock in the morning and say hey bro can i get a acceptance
04:04:21.620of this case nine out of ten times no you got the probable cause you've been able to establish it
04:04:26.220you're there you see it right there and then so what ends up happening due to the nature of
04:04:30.860uniformed police officers um dynamic roles within law enforcement and how they come into contact with
04:04:38.060people all the time right off of 911 calls off proactive traffic stops etc they have the ability
04:04:44.520to make arrests right then and there based off of just the things that they observe and they don't
04:04:51.140need a prosecutor to concur or give them clearance versus feds do need clearance and uh approval to0.97
04:04:59.220make the arrest now you guys are wondering what the fuck are you telling me that federal agents0.80
04:05:05.000don't have the same leeway to make arrests0.98
04:07:03.340We'll follow the paperwork for Monday.
04:07:06.560So that's more than likely what happened because, you know, I'd be shocked if they didn't have a prosecutor on this case with how high profile it is.
04:07:14.100So more than likely, they gathered all the evidence, sat down with the DA, or sorry, the ADA, Assistant District Attorney, the prosecutor.
04:11:22.740For those of you guys that are just joining on JTube, you guys missed a fantastic explanation I gave on the difference between federal cases and state cases.0.94
04:11:34.620We went real deep into it with the differences, but I am a little shocked that they had all this time and they didn't indict him and they just made like a fucking, you know, lazy probable cause arrest.
04:11:48.000that's kind of wild i'm kind of intrigued as to see why they did that but who knows0.87
04:11:56.940wait neon's live right now 71k watching bro ain't no way bro ain't no way0.95
04:12:02.820so what the fuck sorry sorry distracted all right let's get back to this david thing0.92
04:12:09.200there's one for october 1st in norway there was a scheduled grammy museum appearance in los0.98
04:12:14.860Angeles that was pulled too from the venue's website his label Interscope told TMZ that all
04:12:19.940promotion for David including his deluxe album release that was being paused and I will say
04:12:26.100this wasn't immediate by the way so when Los Angeles authorities found a body in this Tesla
04:12:32.520that was registered is academics live chat let me see if academics is live don't forget to get the
04:12:37.740book by the way ninjas let me I'll see if he's live to him before the body was positively
04:12:43.440identified as that of Celeste, he went on stage in Minneapolis. At this concert, he even handed
04:12:49.360out labubus to the crowd. But TMZ reported that once Celeste was ID'd, his tour was canceled.
04:12:55.940And that included an upcoming show in Seattle. By the way, I asked retired detective Matt Irvine
04:13:01.200about the tour dates too and David's movements. Here's what he had to say.
04:13:05.040Well, again, as you said, we don't know for sure when she was placed in the front trunk of that
04:13:09.200vehicle but we're now hearing it could have been as far back as early august of this year or a
04:13:14.660month or so before she was discovered um that's consistent with some of the reporting that we're
04:13:20.640hearing in terms of communication celeste was having with friends which appear to have stopped
04:13:25.420sometime in late july or early part of august this year oh it looks like ben shapiro made a video
04:16:15.140For a while, and that significant decomposition occurred before she was found.
04:16:22.680One other thing, I think when we first started covering this case, there was an understanding that maybe that car was only there for a few days.
04:16:29.140And one of the scenarios that we came up with, well, perhaps whoever did this, they didn't have enough time to take that next step, moving the car, doing something with the body.
04:16:38.980But if now we're listening to this and that car was there for a prolonged period of time, doesn't that tell you something, whether it's they wanted the car to be found, whether they wanted it there, whether or not they had the ability to get to it in time.
04:16:54.280But if the car was there for a prolonged period of time, doesn't that tell you something else about who may have done this or maybe not who may have done this, but what the motivations or the actions were of the person who put her body in the car?
04:17:08.980Well, what it does suggest is that the car was abandoned in this Los Angeles neighborhood
04:17:16.280at about the same time that David Burke's tour schedule would have made him...0.82
04:17:22.500Sorry, guys, when I open up a tab, it fucking just starts yapping without even...0.60
04:48:28.520murder one always goes to premeditated murder almost always goes to the state and locals even
04:48:33.460with a big high profile person like this guy i mean i didn't know who this guy was before the
04:48:37.820only time the only time you're gonna see like the feds take over like a premeditated murder is like
04:48:42.600the other day do you see the kid that the minor that got arrested for killing his sister and like
04:48:46.920a cruise uh a carnival cruise thing yeah so that one they took because it's a crime on the high
04:48:52.760seas so since it was a crime on the high seas fbi comes and takes it over yeah if you're like yeah
04:48:57.860Yeah, but, like, normally, like, it's going to be the state police, county sheriffs, or city police department that's going to take, you know, you know, kind of dry murder cases like this.
04:50:11.140I had an entourage of people around him at times.
04:50:14.800I know some other individuals have been considered
04:50:17.520as drivers of this vehicle or either around.
04:50:20.460Any information on possibly how this could impact other people
04:50:23.640that David was around that also may have been around Celeste Rivas?
04:50:28.100Michelle, we don't know yet, and if there are any other arrests that are going to be coming in this case.
04:50:33.660We know that there were a number of witnesses who came and testified in front of the grand jury again.
04:50:39.840And I know that they did a search warrant at one of his houses, too.
04:50:42.020This was not an indictment. This is probable cause that the LAPD put together and moved forward on.
04:50:49.360But during the grand jury proceedings, which are secret as they're ongoing, that there were a number of other people who came forward, those who are close to David, friends of David, family members of his were subpoenaed to go in front of the grand jury.
04:51:06.600So if there are other arrests that could be coming, we don't know.
04:51:09.860But as of right now, he is the only one that we know of under arrest.
05:21:29.560It's a dumbass, like, shame tactic, bro.0.99
05:21:34.520uh the owners of clav's club uh okay i think i yeah i see what you're1.00
05:21:43.520who you're talking about here nigga did his research0.94
05:21:46.720oh god i didn't want to talk about that but all right um myron can you ask your brother about his0.89
05:21:55.240favorite dbz movement saga and uh thought on dbs that's fine we will do that uh jarhead and myron
05:22:00.080is on puerto rican next these past weeks bro there's they get so mad uh that roman that song
05:22:04.300romantic homicide was released way before her death okay fair um would seriously get 20 men
05:22:08.500touch him for this tip you get for free okay how how can trump justify allowing chin ada to run
05:22:14.400the way it is above your heads okay your mind can love your bro teaching me a lot as of growing with
05:22:20.320no father figure we got you bro red pill clippers dinesh basically saying you shilling for iran
05:22:23.980and you hate urzil was a bad faith in my opinion like bro why the adhams it's okay1.00
05:22:27.740um would suck 20 d's to get a sip what the fuck nigga your weirdo okay i'll be flexing this was0.99
05:22:32.960a banger uh stream scott horton is goaded you got it bro um cool i think we're caught up there1.00
05:22:38.920okay um um i had a couple come in as you were reading uh jamie fabo says did you see one of
05:22:49.800australia's only refineries had an equipment failure and was in flames and considering plc's
05:22:55.240control a lot of equipment yeah that is really sus uh thank you for the super chat jamie
05:23:00.220thought x says that'll be real 50 dollars hey shout out to you bro appreciate the super chat
05:23:04.080thank you so much bro don demarco for you um okay yeah did you want to react to tucker or do you
05:23:12.240want to just go straight into the blockade and then we'll do tucker after uh chat what do you
05:23:15.700guys want you guys want tucker or blockade and i got the bench appeal shit too with with him0.92
05:23:20.340talking shit about us and sneko too what do you guys want but blockade or tucker0.95
05:23:24.700i'm seeing lots of tuckers what's your chat saying0.99
05:23:35.940that spam whatever you're looking for if you want us to react to ben shapiro tucker carlson or
05:23:42.960just give you a brief as to what's been happening the last 72 hours with the straighter four moves
05:23:50.340um what you're saying tucker mine is asking for the blockade yeah
05:23:58.740yeah all right we go which one do you think is going to be faster
05:24:03.940definitely the blockade probably you want to do a block we can uh tucker
05:24:08.840yeah we can go over what's been happening because i think a lot of people are confused okay now i'm
05:24:15.580getting a mix but it seems like blockade is let's do a blockade because it's quick winning yeah
05:24:19.100yeah so the blockade i know you've been on top of it i'll just let you honestly i'll just let
05:24:24.420you monologue what's going on with the blockade what the hell's going on because i haven't had
05:24:27.620you on for a minute so yeah what the hell's going on and fill us in and i'll let you give me one
05:24:32.000sec yeah so i'll give you real quick obviously if you haven't been paying attention i'd say
05:24:38.280since monday we've had some micro developments really nothing huge the biggest thing is of
05:24:44.900course if you missed it last week donald trump had tweeted on truth social i believe around
05:24:48.280Thursday or Friday, that we are going to implement a new strategy to block the Strait of Hormuz.
05:24:53.080I'm not sure really what the idea was initially when we were going over it on stream. We weren't
05:24:58.000really sure as to what he had in store, but this was to go into effect on Monday at 10 a.m. So now
05:25:03.280we're seeing this happen. However, the United States has not actually blocked the Strait of
05:25:07.460Hormuz entirely, and we've sent out the Navy in our full force to actually effectuate this plan.0.83
05:25:11.980We have now begun to block Iranian ports across the entire coast of Iran,0.96
05:25:16.860spanning from the Gulf of Oman into the Persian Gulf and then of course what entails the Strait
05:25:21.480of Hormuz and we've blocked these ports from exporting ships and then importing ships so
05:25:26.080anybody coming in and then any ships trying to leave and the strategy seems to be that we're
05:25:30.760trying to choke Iranian economy or their economy as a whole prevent them from receiving goods make0.98
05:25:36.340them feel some pressure and then hopefully that brings them closer to the talking table or
05:25:40.800diplomatic agreement to give up their nuclear program give up the missiles something of that
05:25:45.140sort however what we're seeing on the other side and remember donald trump had tweeted last week
05:25:49.840or really made a truth social post that we are going to block the strait we're going to block
05:25:54.500the blockade and no one really knew what the plan was but now we're able to see the united states is
05:25:58.260just really making iran's government feel economic pressure by blocking their ability to receive
05:26:04.180anything that's coming in or anything that's leaving for them to make money but iran is still
05:26:08.580taxing or tolling ships that are crossing through the strait of hormuz i was just speaking to
05:26:12.640Suleiman on X-Base, and it's still a very low amount of ships that are passing through. Yesterday
05:26:16.960was somewhere around 20, today, somewhere around nine. And so the numbers are still not back up
05:26:21.060to normal. However, they have increased from what was entirely a complete blockade where no ships
05:26:24.840are passing through. So currently what we're seeing is the United States is blocking Iranian
05:26:28.920ports from oil export, goods export, everything else in between. And at the same time, Iran is
05:26:33.240making money from these ships that are coming through the Strait of Hormuz, even though it's
05:26:36.860in a small number, they're able to tax these countries and charge them. And of course, this
05:26:40.480back ends on the United States in regards to the fact that we started this conflict and now
05:26:44.560countries are paying for the price by having to receive their oil by the way that they desperately
05:26:48.340need. A lot of these countries in Asia and Europe depend solely on the UAE countries, or sorry,
05:26:54.620the Gulf countries, UAE being one of the big ones, and then Qatar and Kuwait for oil, but they cannot
05:26:59.040export that through the Strait of Hormuz because of the blockade. Now some ships have gone through,
05:27:03.940but Iran is making a ton of money. So they've kind of filled in the gap that was felt by us
05:27:08.540closing their ports for goods and economic benefit by making money on the Strait of Hormuz.
05:27:12.980So we haven't really addressed the problem directly on its face yet.
05:27:17.320However, we're approaching a ceasefire and really the agreement ends on the 22nd.
05:27:23.380So we have another six days before this whole ceasefire thing that was brokered between J.D. Vance
05:27:27.780and the entire Iranian delegation with the Middle Eastern envoy being included as well.
05:27:32.320That's all done on Wednesday next week.
05:27:35.100And so what we're going to see after is up in the air.
05:27:38.180Of course, it's speculative. We may see a new ceasefire that extends longer. Hopefully that's the case as Trump and this administration tries to buy time to strategize as to what they want to do next. Or we may see a second stage of the war, maybe a second air assault, potentially even boots on ground. We just added 10,000 more new troops to the region in the process of gearing up our Navy to block these Iranian ports.
05:28:00.160But in regards to the Strait of Hormuz, we still don't have control.0.97
05:28:03.340And as you can see, Donald Trump has been telling the press that we've reached an agreement with Iran.
05:28:07.980They're actually conceding on their nuclear program.
05:28:09.980We're getting somewhere in the negotiations and the peace talks.
05:28:12.700But again, the IRGC has came out and said, we haven't really come to the table about anything.
05:28:17.140And we have not changed any of our demands.
05:28:18.920Our demands from the original Islamabad talks, as well as prior, have always remained the same.
05:31:23.680So I'm not surprised that, you know, Trump is doing it now and why he's like this too weak to do this straight because he knows that he's safe.
05:31:30.660But once that ceasefire is done, he won't be able to do that.
05:31:34.100That's another reason, too, why I think he's trying to extend the ceasefire.
05:51:07.720yeah no no that's really the the long and short of it but um it was a famous battle and so like0.97
05:51:15.420you know that's like something that lost muslims have have yeah muslims have used against kind of
05:51:21.580uh israel jewish people when they're fighting they say yeah and now it's like yeah they'll
05:51:26.140say it when they refer to like israel and there's several instances in islamic history where the0.51
05:51:31.240muslims and jews uh clashed heads you have that you have benny quraida which is another tribe
05:51:36.920that the muslims fought and eventually executed because of their treason so there's so many
05:51:41.060different things but obviously the tension has a long history and that's actually just to say this
05:51:45.720really quickly before we get back into the video something important to note is people always say
05:51:50.100that you know the jewish people and the christian people really are the ones having the tension and
05:51:55.300the strife and that's because you know catholics and white christians and european christians
05:52:00.460expunge them or expose them from their countries in europe and everything like that and even though
05:52:06.120there's truth to that. And that's kind of the main grievance. There is also tension from Jews and0.79
05:52:11.020Muslims ever since Islam was created. And that was when they tried to kill the prophet like four or1.00
05:52:15.360five times. And so that's where that comes from as well. So it exists in early Islamic history,
05:52:19.280too. People always think that because the Ottomans offered the Jews safe conduct in their lands and
05:52:24.180try to save them from their persecution, that the history has always been positive. But it actually0.50
05:52:28.460started out very rocky. Then it smoothed out. Now it's rocky again. So that's kind of like the
05:52:32.820historical relation between muslims and the jewish people as a whole yeah now the adl and people like
05:52:38.500ben shapiro whenever people talk about this conflict they're like oh my god it's a call to
05:52:42.420you know you know what i what's the word i want to use here um violence yeah violence against
05:52:49.340against them they say they say this is an anti-semitic call to violence it's something
05:52:54.000that's used by these proxy networks that belong to iran right and it's something that's used
05:52:59.440famously in the middle east you know a lot of people say it as like maybe even a running joke
05:53:03.240but really like you know this anti-israel anti-jewish war chant or chant that's provocative
05:53:08.940that's known to get them very mad you know so it's one of those buzzwords that you gotta
05:53:12.580stay clear of saying as like as like a a t phrase my brother's on youtube so i'll keep it simple
05:53:17.620but like yeah i knew right away bro i saw the clip i could tell sneak because i know sneaker0.54
05:53:21.460personally i could tell he's joking around and fucking around and trolling but i knew they were0.93
05:53:24.820going to take that clip and like try to run with something else i fucking knew it bro and just as1.00
05:53:28.260expected all the idiots on twitter i yell idiot that retard this guy ben shapiro i knew right1.00
05:53:33.760away i was like yeah they're gonna run with this shit and go crazy even though he's just fucking1.00
05:53:36.780around so why am i bringing this up because there are a lot of young people who watch0.99
05:53:52.060this person and treat this clearly he's fucking around but obviously he's gonna take it seriously0.72
05:53:55.980right so person with seriousness and he recently did a podcast with two figures who are foreign0.89
05:54:02.360figures who are openly advocating for the demise of american power internationally that'd be
05:54:07.840alexander dugan who is a propagandist on behalf of vladimir putin and a professor
05:54:12.380named jung jikwin you'll remember him from the tucker carlson show where he claimed that
05:54:19.520did you watch this interview i didn't watch this interview oh let's sneak on this guy okay
05:54:24.520the united states should basically give up power to china that's what he's referring to
05:54:28.520professor jang is who he's talking about oh i didn't even recognize it because the way he said
05:54:32.120it and dugan the russian guy oh no i i only caught a glimpse of it i was not able to watch all of it
05:54:37.500i'm sure he was not happy about that though also he claims of course that the illuminati line up
05:54:41.840for him yep and all the rest of this sort of junk well alexander dugan and and this chinese professor
05:54:49.420zhang they've been making this case again throughout sort of right-wing manosphere
05:54:55.320podcast to stand and it does demonstrate the extent to which foreign influences really have
05:55:00.400grabbed a foothold it's amazing many of the people claiming foreign influence on president trump are0.97
05:55:05.220themselves acting as this guy talking about foreign influence is fucking joke bro that's0.99
05:55:10.220crazy bro netanyahu is your right-hand man bro you're friends with netanyahu what are you talking0.98
05:55:14.240about agents of foreign influence for propagandists of actual foreign regimes it's pretty incredible0.99
05:55:19.600actually here for example was alexander dugan with the lack of awareness is absolutely fucking
05:55:25.340insane it's like bro you are the biggest israeli propagandist you could i would argue yeah ben is0.75
05:55:32.220the biggest israel propagandist in america potentially he's in the top three you think
05:55:40.100anyone he's the first he's number one right yeah i can't he's the first i'm trying to think of
05:55:43.100anybody else more popular bigger i think ben ben shapiro is a bigger household name than somebody
05:55:48.080like maybe mark levin or yeah he is yeah bill what's the other guy's name that has a late night
05:55:54.280talk show oh bill maher like i don't i think those guys are negligible compared to ben because
05:56:00.220remember yeah just a couple years ago before the whole october 7th situation happened that really
05:56:06.240changed the world ben shapiro was kind of revered on the right even from a lot of christians a lot
05:56:10.860of people who are not aware of the middle eastern conflict people loved him you know he was known of
05:56:14.680this as this vicious debater that destroyed the left-wing students and was really good at speaking
05:56:19.820and always had base takes you know facts don't care about your feelings this whole rhetoric0.97
05:56:23.340and then of course october 7th happened and we realized this nigga was a double agent so0.89
05:56:27.040things changed very quickly what he did was when he when he blew up he focused on domestic issues0.93
05:56:33.140When he did the college debates and shit like that, he rarely if ever talked about Middle Eastern foreign policy, like almost never, because there was no need, because there was no pushback on the Israel lobby.
05:56:41.360Nobody knew. But now that everyone came out and started being critical of Israel, he had to come out and defend Israel.0.76
05:56:47.400And that's when he got exposed. Yeah, that's what fucked him up.0.98
05:56:50.960This guy never used to talk foreign policy and geopolitical affairs.0.85
05:56:54.060He had to show face. He had to show face.
05:56:57.260October 7th was very pivotal for a lot of content creators and political commentators, man, because it showed where your allegiance really lied and how honest you were willing to be, even if it meant a financial hit.
05:57:06.520So, you know, it exposed Ben like none else.
05:57:08.800And if you were he was a privy to the situation, guys like him, Stephen Crowder, et cetera.
05:57:18.900These guys are not strong geopolitical commentators.
05:57:21.780They're strong culture warriors, American domestic policy, American politics.
05:57:26.140um when it comes to like the middle eastern foreign policy like both of them are kind of
05:57:30.140you know it's not their thing like yeah no they're lazy they're good at telling people what they want
05:57:34.060to hear in regards to this war right stephen crowder just because of the culture and then
05:57:37.560ben shapiro obviously because he's loyal to israel yeah so they both have their different motivations
05:57:42.100but certainly they come from the same cloth when it comes to that so that's that's very true lots
05:57:46.000and by the way this guy has been weaponizing islamic terrorism from like 2020 2021 like
05:57:52.000he's been making videos on it he's been talking about how islamic terrorism is a big issue how
05:57:57.020it affects the world and so people have been eating it up for years you know he's been a big
05:58:00.580voice on that as well ben shapiro and stephen crowder yeah yeah and that's why i tell you guys
05:58:05.160all the time like you really don't want to watch most right wingers when it comes you guys got
05:58:08.220to understand covering domestic policy and cultures or culture war issues is one thing
05:58:13.020but covering um geopolitics is a whole other angle and a lot of times it's not even really um
05:58:18.860or right-wing or left-wing issue when it comes to geopolitical affairs um so anyway but yeah let's
05:58:25.980the aforementioned it doesn't have the same it doesn't have the same i guess um binding
05:58:31.540to the to like culture warrior stuff right like if like for example someone like a ben shapiro
05:58:37.140steven crowder will dunk on college kids all day when it comes to transgenderism and how many
05:58:40.320genders are there right matt walsh etc but can they go ahead and give you guys the real deal
05:58:44.880and you know like i did with like dinesh souza like what you guys just watch is like when you
05:58:48.720guys watch me debate Dinesh Souza um on Iran that is that is literally an example of um
05:58:55.300the lack of geopolitical awareness from MAGA what you guys saw like the way I was able to like lap
05:59:02.120him and that big gap in between knowledge like that is literally what debating what MAGA is when
05:59:07.640it comes to geopolitics um and foreign policy like they're just not versed on this topic you
05:59:12.420know what I mean they're just not unfortunately because it's very complex you it's very time
05:59:16.860consuming you have to spend a lot of hours studying it understanding it you got to stay up on
05:59:20.320the news right um the only reason i was able to dismantle a lot of his arguments is because
05:59:24.680i've been studying this for the past you know me and my brother been on it for the past couple of
05:59:28.300months um but most maga commentators or right-wing commentators like ben shapiro you know matt walsh0.97
05:59:34.740crowder whatever dude they're not studying they're not studying this shit because it requires so much
05:59:38.240time and and honestly i could understand like for them why like you know foreign affairs isn't0.95
05:59:45.540really like a conservative issue to be honest it's really not it's its own it's its own segment
05:59:50.660it's its own thing bro like this whole yeah the kind of right-wing geopolitical commentary
05:59:55.300it's its own segment that these guys's audiences would not like right or they would not be privy
06:00:02.080to whatsoever especially steven crowder if steven crowder were to take an anti-war position tomorrow0.97
06:00:06.660i think a lot of his audience would be mad i think his viewership would be like what the fuck0.91
06:00:10.540because that's the whole idea is they're culture warriors you know so a lot of these people just0.98
06:00:14.980watched to really hear what they want to hear rather than hearing what they need to hear and
06:00:18.960that's kind of where me and you have been dealt a great blow every single time we talk about the
06:00:23.320conflict people say you're pro-IRGC you're pro-Iran and it's like no we're actually pro-American if
06:00:28.360you had an IQ you'd be able to discern that and actually understand there's a greater issue here
06:00:32.540and that's Israel undermining Israel uh Israel undermining U.S. foreign policy like and you know
06:00:38.160the crazy thing is is like when me and my brother talk right if you guys listen to me and my brother
06:00:42.140talk you're going to hear us talk more about like the United States and everything else like this
06:00:44.660But the problem is that when we talk for you guys to understand the concepts, we have to go back and debunk the propaganda that you guys are all indoctrinated to.
06:00:51.600Right. Like a lot of the a lot of the times when me and my brother explain this stuff to you guys or whatever, we have to rewrite bullshit that you guys have already heard.
06:00:57.760So it comes off and it sounds like we are pro Iran. We're not, bro. We're just pro truth.0.88
06:01:03.120It just so happens that you guys get a lot of lies on Iran. So we have to fucking come in and debunk the bullshit.1.00
06:01:08.620Then we can have actual real geopolitical discourse and like actually talk about shit.1.00
06:01:12.280but i have to debunk the lies i'll give you guys a perfect example right now a lot of people believe0.89
06:01:16.780the 40,000 um protesters kill lied right like so before me and my brother can actually have a
06:01:22.780conversation with you guys about um regime change and how the united states trying to do regime
06:01:26.700change etc we have to debunk the 40,000 protesters that were killed we have to talk to you guys about
06:01:31.300the starlings that they smuggled in we have to talk to you guys about how trump moved in a bunch0.59
06:01:34.620of guns and gave to protests we have to tell you guys how the massad trained a lot of these0.82
06:01:38.480agitators we have to talk to you guys about how scott percent purposely crashed the real
06:01:42.500in early 2026 and how mike pompeo said the massad walks amongst you we have to educate you guys on
06:01:47.800this stuff then we can operate on a flat ground and a basis to go from from there because we can't
06:01:53.440even get into the more the discourse and the analysis unless you guys know the foundation
06:01:58.760and unfortunately fox news american media etc does not set you guys up to know the foundation
06:02:03.920so we have to create the foundation for you guys then we go ahead and have a discussion on the0.84
06:02:08.000actual topic because if i was just talk to you guys about um well this war is retarded because0.86
06:02:13.120xyz you might look at me like well dude why are you saying that they killed 40 000 other own people0.89
06:02:17.080oh my god okay now i gotta go backwards i gotta explain to you guys about the 40 000 thing being
06:02:21.660a lie now we can have a real conversation and if you guys remember um remember we had when he
06:02:25.680reacted to pbd and um fucking um even vinnie bought into that lie about the 40 000 dead and0.98
06:02:31.720we had to spend like 10 15 minutes just showing all the fucking receipts of israel israeli media0.99
06:02:36.860saying like oh yeah this looks like it's Mossad um fucking Scott uh Mike Pompeo putting on Twitter0.97
06:02:41.860that um you know Mossad walks amongst you I had to show you guys the testimony from the0.97
06:02:47.140oversight committee where one of the people literally admitted yeah uh it was an operation
06:02:51.620where we smuggled in a bunch of starlings for the Iranian people I wonder for who funded by the CIA0.96
06:02:55.520so I had to show you guys all that shit now we can have a real discussion yeah yeah and0.99
06:03:02.160you know thank you daily daily vibes five gifted thank you start going around0.98
06:03:06.900no it's a great point you make and something else that's happening as well and of course people have
06:03:12.440been realizing this has now become like not even an issue of left and right this has just become
06:03:17.640an issue of common sense and having awareness on global affairs and foreign policy why do i say
06:03:22.240that canary mission earlier today posted a video of nick fuentes and arian anna kasparian saying
06:03:27.220the same exact things without actually talking to one another and they did this whole like
06:03:31.300compilation where they were repeating each other's talking points or echoing the same sentiment
06:03:35.860you know against the war or against israel whatever it was and they're not realizing like
06:03:41.580that's actually the issue that's actually what's destroying them is the fact that people are super
06:03:46.520far right and people who are super far left and people who are libertarian towards the right and
06:03:51.560people who are dead in the middle and people who are center left are all finally agreeing on one0.53
06:03:56.100thing without any gaps in between and it's israel's control on the united states as well as the fact
06:04:01.680that this war is not beneficial for the united states and so this is why people like ben shapiro
06:04:06.280are grasping for straws and trying to explain this conflict it's right there yep so let's play this0.99
06:04:11.460because like they're so fucking dumb that they don't realize because bro what what do you mean0.99
06:04:16.120you've been talking about i said this is one of the few topics that people on both the left and1.00
06:04:20.940the right agree on which means it's a serious problem go to my twitter go to my twitter really
06:04:25.440quick okay let me duplicate it you might have already taken the words for me
06:04:30.980right there i just reposted it this one third one down no go down go down0.97
06:04:41.200fucking retards yeah see what i said yeah i'm just gonna read you go ahead and play it0.99
06:04:46.980like here do they not realize that i'll play this shit while you guys do that hold on hold on1.00
06:29:58.900So this was kind of dismissed after an online kerfuffle for a few hours, and people were outraged, and then they weren't, and we've got other things to worry about.
06:32:53.800It identifies and tracks friendlies, letting pilots know where their wingmen are to avoid them shooting at one another by mistake.
06:33:01.220But it also tracks the enemy in the air, on land or at sea, letting friendly pilots know what they need to shoot at, where it is and where it's going.
06:33:11.680When flying at 30,000 feet, that radar has a range of 120,000 square miles, which is about the size of Poland or the state of New Mexico.
06:33:20.640In other words, it is an extremely valuable piece of kit.
06:33:24.200The U.S. Air Force currently only has 16 of them anywhere in the world,
06:33:28.180six of which are based in Saudi Arabia.
06:33:30.660The last E3 was produced in the 90s, so technically it is priceless.
06:33:34.920But replacing one with a newer version, the E7,
06:34:36.780You know, 13 bases completely taken out of commission.
06:34:38.880And so for us to station back at those bases, get them back up and running, is going to cost even more money than that of what we have wasted already by just having so much aircraft and military technology destroyed, and especially all of the offensive campaigns that we've launched against Iran, that costing money too.
06:34:55.300So as a whole, the United States has lost a lot of its deterrence ability, and we've lost the ability for an escalation-dominant war with how Iran has been able to strategically destroy critical infrastructure that actually does matter in a long-scale conflict.0.63
06:35:12.400And you could thank Russian intelligence for that.0.83
06:35:14.280I'm pretty sure Russia has played a big hand in giving Iran the go-ahead and the whereabouts as to what to strike, where to strike, when to strike, and it's worked.0.56
06:35:22.620You know, it's work that hasn't worked completely. And the fact that they've completely demilitarized us, of course, they'll never be able to do that. But again, it's this idea of deterrence, us being able to flex our muscles, exercise brinksmanship without doing anything. Yeah, that probably won't be a thing anymore. That's definitely gone. If it existed before, it doesn't exist now.0.87
06:35:40.260Our presence in the Middle East is going to be so cooked after this, bro.0.96
06:35:58.560The rear part of the fuselage appears to be missing as well.
06:36:01.580And there's a large amount of debris scattered on the runway.
06:36:04.500The tail, while still intact, does not appear to be attached to the rest of the aircraft.
06:36:08.820The angle of the fins in the second image suggests it has tilted backwards.
06:36:12.820And there's a large number of vehicles parked nearby, probably driven by Air Force personnel responding to the attack.
06:36:19.820These satellite images were published by the Iranian state.
06:36:22.820Obviously, they need to be treated with scepticism, but we've been able to verify this strike with third-party images taken from the ground.
06:36:29.820These images broadly confirm what we saw on the satellites, but add a few interesting details.
06:36:34.820The rear portion of the aircraft has been destroyed and there is a large debris field on the surrounding runway.
06:36:40.220The tail section has detached from the main aircraft body and has tilted backwards.
06:36:45.060However, it appears the rotodome survived and is lying among the debris down here.
06:36:49.700A second image taken from the reverse angle seems to confirm this.
06:36:53.500Here you can see the sunlight reflecting off the surface.
06:36:56.860From overhead, this detail was not visible.
06:36:59.300The black dish was disguised against the black scorch marks on the ground.
06:37:02.980It is only from the side that this detail is revealed.
06:37:05.920Another interesting detail that is visible from the ground and from the air
06:54:48.600Are you familiar with this user, my dad left?
06:54:51.660They always have these, my dad, a disappointed father and all these other names.1.00
06:54:55.580Like, niggas always make crazy names.1.00
06:54:58.020He asks, when you get a chance, can you ask Myron about the Oklahoma DMV woman who helped Israelis get into the towers to work on sprinkler systems?0.98