The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Enrique Tarrio, Pat Stedman, And Ethan EXPOSE J6 LIES!

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00:13:29.220 And we are live. What's up, guys? Welcome to Debrief, special edition. I'm here with the J6ers.

00:13:33.500 Guys, without any further ado, I know we got a lot of international people, but this is the United States of America.

00:13:38.000 So I want to see a bunch of American flags in the chat and stand for the national anthem, and then we're going to get into the broadcast.

00:13:44.840 Go ahead, Bills.

00:13:45.840 Please welcome from Italia, James Hetfield.

00:13:59.000 Thank you.

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00:15:29.000 Thank you.

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00:15:59.000 I'm a dating relationship coach for men and political prisoner.

00:16:02.680 Spent a year at Fort Dix, New Jersey.

00:16:04.000 My name's Enrique Tarrio.

00:16:06.000 My name's Enrique Tarrio.

00:16:08.000 I love the local chapter here in Miami of the Proud Boys, and I was sentenced to 22 years, and just about a month and change ago, I was pardoned by the President Trump.

00:16:17.140 My name's Ethan Nordean.

00:16:19.140 I used to be the president of Seattle chapter at Proud Boys, and I switched over and moved over here, and now I'm Vice City.

00:16:26.140 We just did a little remodel there.

00:16:29.140 I was sentenced to 18 years in federal prison.

00:16:32.320 I spent four years in federal prison.

00:16:33.860 I was released, not with a pardon, but a commutation.

00:16:37.900 We'll get into that.

00:16:38.600 That's some fun stuff.

00:16:39.320 And then, Gary, you were there that day as well.

00:16:42.040 Yeah, I was there.

00:16:43.400 I'll never forget that day.

00:16:44.680 I was at Trump's last speech in 2021 when he was president, and I saw a whole bunch of people going down to the Capitol, and I was like, when the hell have we ever seen a revolution start with flags?

00:17:00.360 And I just backed off.

00:17:03.300 Fair enough.

00:17:04.680 So I guess we can kind of go through that day, because there's been so many different stories and narratives when it comes to January 6th and what happened.

00:17:15.020 Obviously, I look at you guys as political prisoners.

00:17:17.300 When Trump came into office on January 20th, and one of the first things he did was pardon 1,500 guys, that's obviously very powerful.

00:17:24.420 And it goes to show that there was some problematic situations with the justice system when it came to your guys' political persecution.

00:17:32.280 To say the least.

00:17:33.140 Yeah, to say the least.

00:17:35.040 Luckily, we got Cash Patel in as director of the FBI, and Dan Bongino is his number two guy, so hopefully they clean house and get rid of some of these dickheads that use the justice system as weaponization.

00:17:46.700 Lock them up.

00:17:47.780 Okay, we can use dickhead in here.

00:17:49.320 Lock them up.

00:17:50.780 We're like, all right, we're good with that one.

00:17:51.780 Yeah, you know, the weaponization of the Department of Justice was absolutely obvious, man, and everybody knows it.

00:17:56.720 So I don't know who wants to go first, so they can kind of take us through their experience.

00:18:00.140 Because all you guys were at different places on that day.

00:18:02.340 I mean, you weren't even there.

00:18:03.440 We should talk about that.

00:18:04.660 I mean, I don't want to start off, because you're like, oh, well, tell me what happened there that day.

00:18:09.780 I'm like, well, I can't tell you.

00:18:10.860 Let me start with whoever wants to go first on that day.

00:18:13.380 I'll go first, yeah.

00:18:14.280 So I had a show after the—it started off around COVID, but after the election theft, it really started to kick off on Twitter using Periscope at that time called COVID Cabal.

00:18:24.840 So I had a bunch of guys who were watching the show.

00:18:28.400 They came down to D.C. to meet me there.

00:18:30.500 We were there at 5 a.m.

00:18:32.080 We got in to see Trump's speech, got in at the very, very beginning of that, basically all the way in the front where the VIP stuff was, watched the speech.

00:18:40.720 It was super delayed, which was kind of weird unto itself.

00:18:44.360 I mean, we were there.

00:18:45.320 We were waiting out there for the speech like well over an hour and a half beyond what it was supposed to be.

00:18:49.720 But at any rate, speech ends.

00:18:51.760 Everyone's going down to the Capitol.

00:18:53.220 Trump said, go down to the Capitol, peacefully, patriotically protest, right?

00:18:57.360 I'm heading down there.

00:18:59.180 We find out on the way down there that basically Pence isn't going to be sending the votes back to the states.

00:19:05.240 So everyone's a little bit pissed off.

00:19:07.140 If I'm getting to the Capitol and I see people running from the Capitol screaming and I can see smoke in the distance and I'm asking people what's going on.

00:19:18.020 They said the police started attacking us out of nowhere and I'm already in a pissed off state.

00:19:23.780 You know, I've already been kind of in like this like revolutionary agitating mode of my show.

00:19:27.640 So I ran towards the Capitol.

00:19:29.220 I saw that there was a crowd of people going in, flags, as Gary was saying, just flags as far as the eye can see.

00:19:36.060 Gary probably picked up the right message from it, but I was really caught up in that fervor.

00:19:41.800 And so I went in.

00:19:43.360 I found out later on, I was actually very close to the, I was in the group that Ashley Babbitt was in.

00:19:50.480 I didn't know who she was and I didn't see her, but I ended up going upstairs when we got to the, basically the doors of the congressional chambers.

00:20:01.300 I went upstairs.

00:20:02.620 She kept going forward.

00:20:03.660 And as I come back downstairs on the other side, I have these plainclothes police officers with guns pointed at me.

00:20:10.680 They're like secret service looking people.

00:20:12.720 I have no idea what's going on because when I was in the Capitol, the cops were really chill.

00:20:18.700 So they let you guys in, didn't they?

00:20:20.000 Well, they did.

00:20:20.560 And this is the thing that's really confusing.

00:20:22.240 I think, you know, as we hear the other stories, you know, it's Ethan's story and everything about how it was really different at different points.

00:20:29.180 Like I heard that the police attacked people and I saw footage later on that they did.

00:20:33.660 But then there was like a big stand down, I guess, because when I came into the Capitol, I thought that the police were actually with us.

00:20:40.500 And this was in documented evidence in my trial.

00:20:43.260 I had like text messages to people because they were like waving us through.

00:20:46.740 They were just chilling.

00:20:48.200 And then all of a sudden it was like.

00:20:49.520 Was this Capitol Police waving you guys through, right?

00:20:51.060 Capitol Police.

00:20:51.860 Yeah.

00:20:52.140 And then all of a sudden it was like, we just shot one of you.

00:20:55.620 Like it was, it was totally, it was really hard to understand.

00:20:58.940 And our emotions were getting thrown back and forth.

00:21:02.000 So soon after that, I was out of the Capitol.

00:21:04.940 Yeah.

00:21:05.540 So after she got shot.

00:21:07.340 Yeah.

00:21:07.740 I went and talked to a regular police officer afterwards.

00:21:10.520 I said, you know, what the fuck is going on here?

00:21:12.380 Why is this guy pointing a gun at me?

00:21:14.180 And he said, a protester has been shot.

00:21:16.460 You should head for the exit.

00:21:17.780 And so I did.

00:21:18.560 I sat in the rotunda for a bit.

00:21:20.520 Did you even hear the gunshot?

00:21:21.740 No, I didn't hear the gunshot.

00:21:22.660 But I, when I came back around the corner, I could see that there was like tear gas all

00:21:26.880 throughout the hallways.

00:21:27.900 Oh, shit.

00:21:28.320 Do you remember seeing Ashley Babbitt at all personally?

00:21:31.480 Or did you just realize this after when you viewed Discovery or something like that?

00:21:33.860 It was just, it was just at the trial during Discovery.

00:21:35.860 Because I could see that I was in the same group as her.

00:21:40.720 And even footage that they used that they got from her, her situation was used in my trial.

00:21:45.960 I think there's a lot of situations like that where it's kind of like a godsend.

00:21:48.840 A lot of us didn't see it.

00:21:50.560 Because just with the energy, a lot of us saw like grandmas and mothers that were getting

00:21:54.640 attacked by these police officers.

00:21:56.520 We're not practicing de-escalation tactics, rather escalation tactics.

00:22:01.240 And so, I mean, in the heat of the moment, especially if you had a group of just men like

00:22:06.000 all of us in one place and you'd seen an individual use lethal forces as his first response, I

00:22:13.220 think there would have been a very different reaction.

00:22:15.220 And I think, I mean, it's horrible that what happened to Ashley Babbitt happened, of course.

00:22:20.420 But I'm glad that we weren't there because it would have been.

00:22:23.780 I think it would have escalated.

00:22:24.700 It would have been very bad.

00:22:25.740 Yeah.

00:22:26.000 If we, if I think if Ethan or myself would have been there, it would have escalated.

00:22:29.660 It would have been very bad.

00:22:30.240 It was a bad shoot.

00:22:30.980 I saw it, you know, I saw the clip a bunch of times.

00:22:33.600 We had Ivan Raiklin here, a constitutional lawyer, you know, I was just on the phone

00:22:36.900 with Ivan.

00:22:37.360 We were just on the phone.

00:22:37.960 I have a shout out to Ivan.

00:22:39.060 Good guy.

00:22:39.700 I saw him at Mar-a-Lago as well.

00:22:41.680 But we went over this in like detail when it came to, you know, what went down that

00:22:45.840 day, the shooting.

00:22:46.720 We watched it on video, which, by the way, if any of you guys are interested, go watch

00:22:49.460 that episode if you guys want to see the legality of, you know, how these guys were politically

00:22:52.320 persecuted.

00:22:52.860 It was bullshit.

00:22:53.620 But the long story short is when we looked at that shooting, it was like there was no justification

00:22:57.300 for it.

00:22:57.840 Like the officer's life wasn't in danger.

00:23:00.800 She was behind the door.

00:23:02.080 Like, I don't know what was going on.

00:23:04.100 So she weighed about like 110 pounds wet.

00:23:06.820 Yeah.

00:23:07.020 She had no weapons.

00:23:08.280 Right.

00:23:08.760 And this guy, no warning.

00:23:10.840 Did he get prosecuted?

00:23:11.940 He got pardoned.

00:23:12.800 He did, right?

00:23:13.440 Of course not.

00:23:14.020 He got pardoned.

00:23:14.660 No, he got pardoned.

00:23:15.080 Biden pardoned him before.

00:23:15.780 They've actually protected him too.

00:23:17.300 Yeah, he's not under protection.

00:23:18.780 So he got arrested, but then Biden pardoned him on his way.

00:23:20.940 He never got arrested.

00:23:22.040 They just pardoned him preemptively.

00:23:23.380 So he got a diet.

00:23:24.160 Oh, preemptively.

00:23:24.980 Preemptively pardoned.

00:23:25.360 Biden's last day, they pardoned him.

00:23:26.620 Is that even illegal?

00:23:28.540 A preemptive pardon?

00:23:29.840 Is that even illegal?

00:23:31.640 Because I've never even heard of anything like this before Joe Biden started doing this.

00:23:35.480 So I looked into it.

00:23:36.200 It is legal.

00:23:37.300 But they purposely, it's very vague in the Constitution.

00:23:41.200 It's written in a very vague manner.

00:23:43.020 So it's about interpretation.

00:23:44.540 Yeah.

00:23:45.000 So we don't know.

00:23:46.040 That whole section of the Constitution is very vague.

00:23:47.480 So in that case, the Supreme Court has to see if that's actually legal to do.

00:23:51.380 They have to interpret it.

00:23:52.260 That's the way this government works.

00:23:53.340 The Supreme Court has to decide if they can preemptive pardon, and if they can't, Tom's

00:23:59.060 coming for you.

00:23:59.640 I think that there's going to have to be some investigation of that, or like litigation

00:24:03.300 of that, because prior to this, prior to Biden's last-minute pardons, the only time you've

00:24:08.380 ever seen a preemptive pardon was, or rather a blanket pardon, not even a preemptive pardon,

00:24:14.480 was with Nixon in Watergate.

00:24:16.780 And it was, even that was very specifically oriented, said, okay, anything in these years

00:24:21.240 related to Watergate, but Biden pardoned people, like blanket pardoned for things that

00:24:26.320 they didn't even, there wasn't ever, so it's anything, anything you did for 10 years.

00:24:30.160 Yeah.

00:24:30.460 For a son especially.

00:24:31.420 I don't know if that's a constitutional person.

00:24:33.280 Yeah, and his son wasn't just like a basic pardon, like, hey, I'm just going to pardon

00:24:36.700 you for these offenses.

00:24:39.400 He gave him a blanket pardon for, yeah, and I think it was like 10 years, right?

00:24:43.020 Yeah, like 10 years, yeah.

00:24:43.420 10 years, yeah.

00:24:43.700 10 years.

00:24:44.420 It's the whole time in Burisma.

00:24:46.260 Dumpster fire of the situation.

00:24:47.680 Not only his whole time in Burisma, but we also saw like other Biden members get pardoned

00:24:52.860 also, ones that we didn't even know existed, so there was something there, there.

00:24:58.220 Yeah.

00:24:58.420 Just the amount of times his genitalia was mentioned in the trial is hilarious.

00:25:03.280 Yeah.

00:25:03.560 I mean, it's a dumpster fire of a situation, and just like, yeah, don't worry about, nothing

00:25:07.340 to see here.

00:25:08.160 I can blame Biden for a lot of things.

00:25:10.420 I'm not going to blame him for partying in the sun.

00:25:12.360 Yeah.

00:25:12.720 Listen, you know what?

00:25:14.140 You would have made a great crowd boy, to be honest.

00:25:16.160 We know it's going to happen.

00:25:16.780 As a father, like as a father, that is your main goal in life is to make sure that your

00:25:21.600 kid is good.

00:25:22.320 There you go.

00:25:22.720 Yeah.

00:25:22.900 So that is.

00:25:24.200 Absolutely.

00:25:24.560 And he's going to join the Proud Boys, I think, from what I understand.

00:25:26.960 Hunter.

00:25:27.580 Yeah.

00:25:27.940 I mean, he might be pretty good to party with.

00:25:31.000 I don't know about the pedophilia, but he might be really good to party with.

00:25:34.960 What was it that he said?

00:25:36.220 Didn't he say he's like the person that has smoked the most Parmesan cheese in history?

00:25:42.240 I don't know.

00:25:42.580 Because he like dropped it on the rug, and he thought the Parmesan cheese was crap.

00:25:46.400 Crap.

00:25:47.620 Wow.

00:25:48.900 It's in his book.

00:25:49.840 The Biden family, man.

00:25:51.340 It's in his book.

00:25:52.000 That's a few people come to mind when I think of that, yeah.

00:25:53.640 The criminal and the degenerate in the same family.

00:25:56.260 So, Pat, take me through.

00:25:57.640 So after she got shot, you left.

00:26:00.640 So how much time did you think you spent in the Capitol altogether?

00:26:02.820 I think it was like 44 minutes.

00:26:04.340 44 minutes?

00:26:04.960 Yeah.

00:26:05.260 Okay.

00:26:05.720 I sat down in the rotunda for like probably about eight minutes, and then I listened to

00:26:10.640 his speech, and then they tried to clear everybody out.

00:26:12.920 You said when the police officer told you, you know, hey, get out of this area, did you

00:26:17.340 follow that order?

00:26:18.640 Yeah.

00:26:19.120 Yeah.

00:26:19.360 I mean, you know, the prosecution tried to make it seem like I didn't because even though

00:26:24.960 I went to the exit, I sat down on a bench right outside the exit and just chilled for

00:26:31.380 a little bit because I was tired.

00:26:32.880 I'd been standing since like 5 a.m.

00:26:34.800 I had a bunch of adrenaline rush.

00:26:36.960 But I mean, when they started to clear out the area, like I just walked out with everybody

00:26:40.960 else.

00:26:41.220 Like there was no, you know, the whole thing was a clown show.

00:26:45.520 It's crazy because, so you were in there, you said 44 minutes.

00:26:48.200 I was in there for 27, didn't go past the rotunda.

00:26:51.900 And I only went in there because my phones were dead, everything.

00:26:54.840 I had no means of communication.

00:26:55.760 But you touch a fucking fence, you terrorist.

00:26:57.380 Yeah.

00:26:57.600 I touch a fence.

00:26:58.480 And that's a whole nother.

00:26:59.940 We did a live stream when we were in D.C. and I kind of, I kind of showed people literally

00:27:04.320 just touching a fence was enough force to give us terrorism.

00:27:07.780 Just to tell you like my story on where I was on January 6th, I got arrested on January

00:27:14.560 4th for burning a Black Lives Matter banner, right?

00:27:18.840 And I knew I was going to get arrested going into D.C.

00:27:21.660 So two days prior.

00:27:22.640 Two days prior.

00:27:23.260 Two days prior.

00:27:23.700 But I knew I was going to get arrested.

00:27:24.940 I went into D.C. knowing full well that I was going to get arrested.

00:27:27.880 So what I planned is, that's why I bought my flight on January 4th.

00:27:30.700 I'm like, okay, whatever.

00:27:31.480 I get arrested on January 4th.

00:27:32.760 Fuck that.

00:27:33.680 I go to, I go to, in front of the judge on January 5th.

00:27:36.460 She bonds me out because D.C. is a no cash bail state, right?

00:27:41.380 So I'm like, and then I'll go see the president speak on January 6th, which was our plan, right?

00:27:46.800 And, you know, the judge threw a cog, a wrench in my cog.

00:27:51.580 And it's like, well, on top of bonding out, I am going to order you to get out of the district.

00:27:56.720 Which, again, bothered me a little bit, right?

00:27:59.600 But I didn't care.

00:28:01.220 I'm like, you know what?

00:28:02.060 It doesn't matter.

00:28:02.960 I was just going to go see the president speak.

00:28:04.600 It's cold as fuck.

00:28:06.120 You know, I'll just spend the day in the hotel.

00:28:07.660 And when these guys are done watching the president speak, like, I'll just go meet them or they'll come meet me because I can't be in the district.

00:28:14.860 But they were in Virginia.

00:28:16.320 That was my plan.

00:28:17.960 So, but that wasn't what the prosecutor, the prosecutor.

00:28:21.400 And the DOJ alleged.

00:28:23.440 Yeah, you were saying, yeah.

00:28:24.040 They alleged that I was the mastermind and I was responsible.

00:28:29.440 And we were responsible for every single person that walked into that building.

00:28:34.140 Every single person that put their hands on a police officer.

00:28:38.760 Those, we were responsible for everything that happened that day.

00:28:43.480 They called us the ultimate leaders of what happened that day on January 6th.

00:28:48.140 I think it sounds pretty cool.

00:28:48.760 And I actually find that, I do find that very flattering.

00:28:51.780 Yeah.

00:28:52.180 And it sounds cool.

00:28:52.960 We sound way cooler than we really are.

00:28:54.040 And it sounds like we're like some fucking Bond villains or some shit like that.

00:28:57.940 Yeah.

00:28:58.380 But the thing is, I can't even say that because it's not true.

00:29:01.940 That's not what we planned.

00:29:03.020 What we planned is to go see the president speak.

00:29:04.960 I had to go speak on two stages after the president spoke.

00:29:08.280 And then we had, in his Airbnb, we had the lead singer, The Misfits, Michael Graves.

00:29:14.240 Okay.

00:29:14.580 He was going to do like a little unplugged session for us.

00:29:17.080 Yeah.

00:29:17.240 So like what did this jury think that we were going to overthrow the U.S. government at one

00:29:22.140 o'clock and then go an hour and a half later across into Virginia and like listen to a concert?

00:29:31.020 Like it sounds, it sounds cool.

00:29:32.840 They make it sound so cool, dude.

00:29:34.820 Yeah.

00:29:35.500 So real quick, just going back to you with the, with the Pence thing.

00:29:39.640 Like, so would you say like everything started getting crazy once it was confirmed that Pence

00:29:44.680 wasn't going to send the votes back to the States?

00:29:46.900 Well, I started to confirm the election results.

00:29:49.700 I started to see some tension in the crowd even before we got to the Capitol, just because,

00:29:54.080 you know, I, I think all of us knowing that the 2020 election was stolen, this really

00:29:58.100 seemed like the last opportunity without Trump declaring the insurrection act.

00:30:03.320 It was the last opportunity for us to basically deal with the 2020 election fraud.

00:30:08.100 And so as it started to seem more and more like they're, they're just going to try to

00:30:11.600 push this through.

00:30:12.300 They don't give a shit that there's too many million people here.

00:30:14.660 I think people were starting to get a little bit angry, like, and, you know, agitated.

00:30:19.040 Like there was a lot of love there too.

00:30:20.300 Don't get me wrong.

00:30:21.040 Like a lot of patriotism, a lot of prayers, like people, people were, were united.

00:30:27.140 But I think when you, when you had those people with those emotions and you had the police

00:30:33.320 then start attacking and it was like a powder keg automatically.

00:30:36.800 Yeah.

00:30:36.900 They were kicking the pit bull's cage.

00:30:38.280 Yeah.

00:30:38.580 A hundred percent.

00:30:39.060 And the, and the, and the door was loose.

00:30:41.340 Yeah.

00:30:41.680 They knew exactly what they were doing.

00:30:42.980 I don't think enough attention gets put onto Mike Pence for basically betraying the, Donald

00:30:48.360 Trump and the GOP in general for confirming that because, you know, Democrats and liberals

00:30:53.460 always say, oh, oh, the conservatives are, are conspiracy theorists with the election.

00:30:57.100 But there's quite a bit of evidence that shows that at least warrants an investigation

00:31:01.060 with, you know, the, the election fraud that everyone suspects.

00:31:03.880 He just signed on it.

00:31:04.980 He's a, he's a fucking coward is what he is.

00:31:06.960 He's a fucking coward.

00:31:07.800 He represents a bigger, a bigger problem with all these rhinos.

00:31:10.940 You know what I mean?

00:31:11.300 You saw him getting those pieces of silver afterwards too.

00:31:13.800 Just like, wait, what?

00:31:15.000 Yeah.

00:31:15.300 Tell us about that.

00:31:16.180 Yeah.

00:31:16.360 Well, I mean, there's a video of this right after he said that there, he pushed through

00:31:19.260 the certification.

00:31:20.280 Yeah.

00:31:20.700 I think it was, I don't remember which democratic politician, but it was one of the high ranking

00:31:24.860 democratic politicians gave him like two coins.

00:31:28.100 Like it was like, it was like some sort of like symbolic gesture.

00:31:31.380 It was really weird.

00:31:32.340 Yeah.

00:31:32.760 It was really weird.

00:31:33.720 But you know, the thing Myron about what Mike Pence did that's so aggravated.

00:31:37.460 Can you explain it to the audience because like a lot of people here might not be familiar

00:31:40.020 with like politics and how our civic government works when it comes to certifying the election

00:31:43.520 and stuff.

00:31:44.140 Why this was such a patrol?

00:31:45.180 Because I really want people to understand how much of a piece of shit Mike Pence really

00:31:47.680 is.

00:31:48.080 Right.

00:31:48.360 But please.

00:31:49.000 Yeah.

00:31:49.180 So you have the election.

00:31:50.160 That's when the people vote.

00:31:51.280 And then a month later, you have the electoral college is basically supposed to vote based

00:31:56.180 on what, you know, like the people did.

00:31:59.200 Technically, they can do what they want, but that's, you know, typically how it goes.

00:32:02.940 Then you have the final step before the actual inauguration, which is a certification of the

00:32:07.780 electoral vote.

00:32:08.760 Basically, Congress has all the electoral votes and then they decide, okay, yep, the election

00:32:13.380 is legitimate.

00:32:14.260 We certify this.

00:32:15.380 So now the different people can move forward to the presidency.

00:32:18.380 Now, the issue with this whole thing was that you had five different states that were

00:32:24.260 that the legislatures had sent separate slates of electors to all the swing states said, this

00:32:29.460 is bullshit.

00:32:30.160 A lot of the state senators said, this is bullshit.

00:32:32.280 We need to have this investigated.

00:32:34.240 Nobody was really asking Mike Pence to overturn the election.

00:32:38.260 They were asking him to pause the certification and investigate the fraud in the swing states

00:32:42.860 like the state legislatures of those swing states wanted.

00:32:46.580 That's why we were so pissed off.

00:32:48.080 Like, it wasn't like, oh, Mike Pence, you have the ability to overturn the election.

00:32:51.860 It was like, no, man, just like slow things down a little bit so that we can all come together

00:32:55.300 as a nation and find out what really happened.

00:32:57.880 Yeah.

00:32:58.120 Yeah, absolutely.

00:32:59.360 I mean, that was really it.

00:33:00.460 And everybody makes Trump out to seem like he was this dictator trying to steal the election.

00:33:04.000 But really, it was just a matter of let's bring some transparency to the table because

00:33:07.440 that's what we deserve.

00:33:08.660 Obviously, there's enough Americans, which hasn't been properly represented by the mainstream

00:33:12.140 media that showed up.

00:33:14.060 And when you see an event like this, especially a national event like this, when you see over

00:33:17.420 a million people, that reflects a greater portion of the country because a lot of people

00:33:21.680 don't show up for these things.

00:33:23.200 But those people represent the ideals that a lot of other Americans want to portray.

00:33:30.640 And so it was, I think a poll was taken.

00:33:33.500 Over 80 million people believed that the election was stolen.

00:33:36.380 That's a huge number.

00:33:37.520 That's not a small, crazy, extreme number of people that wanted to overthrow the election.

00:33:45.640 This is a genuine, large portion of the population of America that believed genuinely that the

00:33:51.280 election was stolen.

00:33:52.100 And this individual, Mike Pence, was in a position to just bring some transparency to

00:33:56.520 the table and couldn't do that.

00:33:59.000 It wasn't about forcing anything.

00:34:01.760 It was just, hey, let's take a moment and see what happened.

00:34:04.100 Let's look at the numbers.

00:34:04.740 And I'm actually going to pull up a lot of the reasons why people feel that it was fraud

00:34:08.580 because I wrote a whole thread on this and we like investigate it.

00:34:11.360 And I mean, at the bare minimum, it warranted a thorough investigation, which they never

00:34:15.540 did, by the way.

00:34:16.100 Absolutely.

00:34:17.320 Like, you know, people think that people were just riding at the Capitol for no reason

00:34:21.740 and they're going crazy.

00:34:22.660 And it's like, dude, if you actually like look at all the facts and circumstances that

00:34:25.880 led to the 2020 election, which was unprecedented times.

00:34:28.620 People were locked up in their homes.

00:34:30.060 We weren't able to really calculate who really showed up to vote or whatever.

00:34:32.900 Was there, you know, ID registration?

00:34:34.860 No, there was a bunch of problems with it.

00:34:38.360 On that day, what about you?

00:34:39.520 Can you take us through what went down on that day from your perspective?

00:34:42.460 Yeah.

00:34:42.760 So I had gotten there a couple of days early, obviously.

00:34:44.580 Enrique had already explained what happened to him.

00:34:46.240 And so I was given what the government calls war power.

00:34:48.720 So were the Proud Boys.

00:34:49.600 The undisputed leader on the ground for the Proud Boys.

00:34:52.120 Yeah.

00:34:54.020 Sounds so fucking crazy.

00:34:55.440 Sounds a lot crazier than it really is.

00:34:57.440 My prerogative, like my main, you know, objective was really to keep guys on the move and away

00:35:03.460 from big crowds.

00:35:04.160 Because when I came to D.C., it just, you could feel the aura.

00:35:07.200 It was weird.

00:35:07.840 It was off.

00:35:08.820 And I'd been, I'd been on the, you know, I grew up on the West Coast and most of my

00:35:13.160 Proud Boy career is on the West Coast.

00:35:14.480 So I'm used to violence.

00:35:15.300 I'm used to Antifa and crazy stuff getting wild.

00:35:17.900 It wasn't that.

00:35:18.600 It was like, it was like they wanted us to be there.

00:35:21.340 You know what I mean?

00:35:22.000 And so there's the different creepy feeling when you have that.

00:35:24.360 And so I said, okay, instead of having just a point A rally point where we don't move

00:35:28.780 and people gather to us, I wanted to stay on the move to have a point A, point B, back

00:35:32.120 to point A march away from the, from the main crowds.

00:35:35.240 So that we started out at the Washington Monument.

00:35:37.600 We gathered there at 10 a.m.

00:35:40.080 We started the march down to the Capitol simply to do hearts and minds, you know, kiss babies

00:35:45.020 and give hugs and recruit, you know.

00:35:47.020 Shake hands and kiss babies.

00:35:48.660 Let's clear that up.

00:35:49.900 Yeah.

00:35:50.480 Shake hands and kiss babies.

00:35:52.260 You know, to all you weirdos out there.

00:35:53.960 Stop.

00:35:55.360 But, you know, just, just hearts and minds, you know, give people an understanding who

00:35:59.360 we really are.

00:36:00.060 Because obviously there's a lot of bullshit out there about who we are.

00:36:02.420 And we're really just a bunch of good, you know, we're a little rugged around the edges,

00:36:05.880 but we're good hearted dudes.

00:36:07.300 We want to show up.

00:36:08.200 And honestly, for both sides, really, like, you know, if you, if you're out there and you,

00:36:13.080 you need some help and you're just trying to exercise your first amendment, right?

00:36:16.920 Like we got you.

00:36:17.840 You know what I mean?

00:36:18.360 What is the problem?

00:36:18.900 If anybody fucking touches you, I mean, I guess that's where we get our rep from, right?

00:36:22.920 So we've always been of the mind, like, we don't care if people scream at us or use a

00:36:29.180 bullhorn or use a whistle.

00:36:31.040 It doesn't matter.

00:36:32.380 We consider that free speech.

00:36:33.900 But when you put your hands on us or other Trump supporters, it's over with, dude.

00:36:40.220 It's over with, you know, we, we're not going to take it.

00:36:43.780 And it's not because we're, we're big and we're bad or anything like that.

00:36:47.100 It's just like, it's a natural masculine instinct.

00:36:51.280 Called being men.

00:36:51.580 Well, you guys were like sheepdogs.

00:36:52.680 You guys were like sheepdogs.

00:36:53.860 Yeah.

00:36:54.420 So that's why the media takes advantage of the Proud Boys.

00:36:57.640 The mainstream media takes advantage of the Proud Boys.

00:36:59.560 And they, they do this, they do this thing where they call us all sorts of names, like

00:37:03.360 white supremacists.

00:37:04.320 Well, here's the thing.

00:37:04.880 You're the leader.

00:37:05.740 I don't, you're not even white.

00:37:07.060 How are they calling you a white supremacist?

00:37:08.640 Dude.

00:37:09.120 I don't get this stuff.

00:37:10.060 It's like that Zimmerman guy who was a white Mexican or something like that.

00:37:13.720 Why do they always do this?

00:37:15.700 Nazi, white supremacists.

00:37:17.180 They go, they go through the whole array of things.

00:37:18.820 And you know what?

00:37:20.060 I, I, I thank them for it because when people see, right, this is, this podcast, obviously

00:37:26.660 has a video.

00:37:27.640 Obviously I'm not white.

00:37:29.120 Um, I speak better Spanish than I do English.

00:37:32.740 Right there.

00:37:33.440 Look, look at that.

00:37:34.500 I'm real white.

00:37:35.020 You're Dominican, right?

00:37:35.740 He really doesn't know in the sun very much.

00:37:37.460 I'm Cuban.

00:37:38.100 Don't say Dominican anymore.

00:37:39.340 No, my bad.

00:37:40.800 But.

00:37:41.140 You're paler than I am.

00:37:42.180 You got it.

00:37:42.380 Yeah, I'm.

00:37:42.940 There you go.

00:37:43.460 Put me next to it.

00:37:44.360 That's real white right there.

00:37:45.200 I got shit.

00:37:45.940 You're fucking transparent, dude.

00:37:47.520 That's Scott Sire.

00:37:48.260 Is that racist to say that?

00:37:49.880 No.

00:37:50.220 All right.

00:37:50.720 So.

00:37:51.300 Only in a democratic state.

00:37:52.680 Yeah.

00:37:53.700 Uh, but I thank them.

00:37:55.800 I actually thank them for doing that because what they, I lean into it.

00:37:59.820 Right.

00:38:00.340 Because they're like, oh, you're white supremacists.

00:38:02.580 I let it roll.

00:38:03.700 I don't, I don't answer.

00:38:05.340 I let it roll and I let people actually make up their own minds about us.

00:38:09.880 Right.

00:38:10.620 Cause we're, we're not any of that.

00:38:13.740 We're regular dudes.

00:38:14.600 We're carpenters, plumbers, business owners.

00:38:17.300 We're big on like business owners and small, um, opening small businesses and stuff like

00:38:21.700 that.

00:38:21.920 We're lawyers.

00:38:23.220 We're, uh, ex police officers, veterans.

00:38:26.660 We're everything.

00:38:27.320 We're everywhere.

00:38:28.200 You ever seen fight club?

00:38:29.280 Yeah, of course.

00:38:29.980 Yeah.

00:38:30.200 We're everywhere.

00:38:31.960 We're everywhere.

00:38:32.600 And here's the thing, like the reason why we became so big, the reason why we ended up

00:38:36.760 getting, you know, mentioned, uh, on the debate stage from Trump himself, uh, is because we

00:38:41.860 were the only ones showing up when there was a problem and everybody would sit on mainstream

00:38:45.220 media and everybody like, well, how dare these people?

00:38:47.340 Somebody's got to do something, you know?

00:38:49.100 And everybody would just sit there and stare at each other and pointed the problem while

00:38:52.040 Americans were getting beat in the streets.

00:38:53.680 I don't know if you guys remember the 2016, 17 era of Portland and Berkeley and all that

00:38:59.640 crap.

00:39:00.040 And grandma's getting drug through the streets, just holding onto their American flags.

00:39:03.980 We showed up and we beat the brakes off these people.

00:39:06.780 We make self-defense look like assault.

00:39:09.260 Yeah.

00:39:10.100 I think we, I like that.

00:39:12.000 I mean, put that on the shirt, bro.

00:39:13.340 Start selling it.

00:39:14.000 You know, and you know, I've always found it funny that these leftist organizations like

00:39:18.280 Antifa, et cetera, they can practice ridiculous levels of violence, right?

00:39:22.520 And they're still reluctant to call them domestic terrorists.

00:39:25.000 They're burning BLM.

00:39:26.180 They're burning cities down.

00:39:27.400 They destroyed Minneapolis with the George Floyd protests.

00:39:30.240 And, you know, you guys, like they went after you guys aggressively.

00:39:34.420 I mean, we were talking about this before.

00:39:35.540 What?

00:39:36.140 43% of the FBI workforce?

00:39:38.760 40% of the FBI workforce was dedicated entirely to January 6th investigations.

00:39:44.000 That's great.

00:39:44.600 And all the air marshals were.

00:39:46.600 Yeah.

00:39:46.860 Human trafficking details that were focused on saving children from being trafficked were

00:39:53.980 re-designated to focus on January 6th.

00:39:56.720 Just think about that for a second.

00:39:57.760 Maybe that was part of the plan in the first place.

00:39:59.500 It is part of the plan.

00:40:00.660 They can think about that.

00:40:02.040 So they won't arrest their own.

00:40:03.320 That's what your government's focused on right now.

00:40:05.380 Yeah.

00:40:05.980 But also refocus, you know, another thing is like we focus like on like local stuff.

00:40:10.780 You know what I'm saying?

00:40:11.640 When was the Proud Boys established?

00:40:12.800 We were established in 2016, in May of 2016.

00:40:16.920 Okay.

00:40:17.220 As a joke.

00:40:17.920 Right for the Trump stuff, right?

00:40:19.720 Right before Trump.

00:40:20.620 Yeah.

00:40:20.820 Right before Trump got elected.

00:40:22.280 It was actually a joke on Gavin McGinnis' podcast.

00:40:25.260 And the joke kind of had this snowball effect.

00:40:29.400 You know, we went from, when I joined, there was like 150 Proud Boys in existence.

00:40:33.700 You know, I joined very, very early.

00:40:35.820 You know, now we have tens of thousands of Proud Boys.

00:40:38.940 It's an international organization.

00:40:41.840 We have chapters everywhere.

00:40:44.180 South Korea, Australia, Canada, Mexico, Argentina, Poland, Ukraine, Russia, which is crazy.

00:40:52.720 And they get along.

00:40:54.420 Interesting.

00:40:54.820 You know, and we have, it's a pretty big organization.

00:41:00.760 Yeah.

00:41:01.240 You know, that was started as a joke.

00:41:02.700 Chad, just so you guys know, I'm going to go, because I was looking for the tweet, but

00:41:05.240 I can't find it right now.

00:41:06.020 But I'll go ahead and put a tweet for you guys below where like we outline everything that

00:41:10.240 shows that the 2020 election is questionable at bare minimum.

00:41:14.440 Yeah.

00:41:14.760 Like literally like so many, like I think there's like 20 examples of potential election fraud

00:41:19.060 there.

00:41:20.160 And I'll put that link for you guys, because I've talked about this ad nauseum.

00:41:22.500 It's not like people were at the Capitol for no reason.

00:41:25.380 Like it was bullshit, man.

00:41:26.480 And Mike Pence had the chance to do something and he didn't do it.

00:41:29.520 He's literally a traitor.

00:41:31.140 He's a traitor.

00:41:31.660 And I don't even know where he's at now, but.

00:41:33.580 No worries.

00:41:34.060 That's the whole point.

00:41:34.500 No worries.

00:41:35.020 Absolutely no worries.

00:41:35.780 No, that's it.

00:41:36.100 He's in hiding.

00:41:36.860 He's the definition of a rhino.

00:41:38.560 Republican in name only.

00:41:39.540 He rebuilt Biden's basement and he's just sitting there.

00:41:42.520 Is it safe to say that Pence was Trump's biggest mistake?

00:41:45.380 I think so.

00:41:46.040 Yeah.

00:41:46.440 Well, you know what?

00:41:47.460 I mean, he was clearly a mistake.

00:41:49.040 I think that the big question is, did the Republican Party force him to take Pence in the beginning?

00:41:54.220 Because at the beginning, yeah, I think he had no choice at that time.

00:41:57.780 Yeah.

00:41:57.800 And I actually talked about this.

00:41:59.080 I said a big reason why he ended up with idiots like John Bolton and guys like Mike Pence

00:42:04.280 on his thing is because Trump, actually, if you look at him, he didn't think he was

00:42:08.440 going to win.

00:42:08.820 He was actually shocked when he won.

00:42:10.740 Yeah.

00:42:10.900 So when he won, this is a businessman out of New York City.

00:42:13.080 He doesn't know anyone in D.C.

00:42:14.300 So what ended up happening is when you come in as a president, you got like 4,000 jobs

00:42:17.980 that need to be filled.

00:42:18.840 So all these old GOP establishment guys just filled the void.

00:42:23.320 And this is why Trump couldn't get anything done the first two years that he was in.

00:42:25.980 And then that's why Project 2025 became a thing was because they needed to bring in

00:42:29.860 Trump loyalist guys that can actually get stuff done.

00:42:31.660 Now, look at how fast he's moving.

00:42:33.140 We're getting things done with executive orders, putting people in position because he's already

00:42:36.400 been through the rigmarole in D.C.

00:42:38.840 So now he knows who to trust and who not to.

00:42:40.320 But his first term, he literally just had to put establishment GOP shells and kind of

00:42:44.220 rely on them.

00:42:44.700 And he couldn't get shit done.

00:42:45.580 And that's what the 2020 election was in many ways, like a total blessing for all of us.

00:42:50.780 I mean, not maybe not to us personally, but for the country, it certainly was.

00:42:55.120 We needed it.

00:42:55.740 We needed it.

00:42:56.440 We needed it.

00:42:57.080 And, you know, at the time on January 6th and even up to the inauguration, I was like,

00:43:00.800 how is he just going to let him take it?

00:43:02.220 You know, how is he just going to let him steal the country?

00:43:04.200 And then a few months later, I'm like, no, he made the right decision because we probably

00:43:07.520 would have gone to the Civil War if he had really fought against it.

00:43:10.480 And now what happened is he gave him four years to be completely masked off.

00:43:14.140 The most corrupt, fucking incompetent people in the planet running the United States,

00:43:19.260 running it into the ground.

00:43:20.800 And because of that, the public woke up.

00:43:23.040 Public's come together.

00:43:23.980 Now we have a mandate for lasting change.

00:43:26.100 We're going to wipe the communism off the face of this country.

00:43:29.200 Now, from what I understand, someone was telling me that Nancy Pelosi pretty much controls the

00:43:32.640 Capitol Police, right?

00:43:33.500 She's the main, she's like the main person.

00:43:35.660 She certainly did at the time.

00:43:36.880 Yeah, at the time.

00:43:37.500 Did she not, did she tell them to pull back when Trump tried to send other reinforcements

00:43:42.260 there?

00:43:42.760 Yes.

00:43:43.380 Oh, can you kind of go through it?

00:43:44.960 Because I want to get it from people that were actually on the ground.

00:43:47.560 Yeah, well, Trump offered to send the National Guard in.

00:43:50.320 And they made numerous offers to send National Guard in.

00:43:53.140 She turned it down every time.

00:43:54.180 Because she thought the Capitol Police could handle it.

00:43:56.900 Well, that's what she said.

00:43:57.660 That's what she said.

00:43:58.400 But I think it's pretty circumstant, the evidence is pretty clear, I think, circumstantially

00:44:02.300 that the whole thing was a setup.

00:44:04.500 Yeah.

00:44:05.000 You know, Byrd was connected to her directly.

00:44:07.240 Byrd was one of like, he wasn't just a, I'm sorry, in Capitol Police Officer, Byrd is

00:44:11.240 the one who killed Ashley Babbitt.

00:44:12.560 Yeah.

00:44:12.720 So, there's some indications that he may have gotten the order directly from, like, it

00:44:17.720 came directly from Pelosi.

00:44:18.860 Maybe not Pelosi exactly on the comms with him.

00:44:21.840 Her chief of staff.

00:44:22.480 But her chief of staff.

00:44:23.780 Like, that was, they wanted an example made.

00:44:26.220 And a lot of people don't know this.

00:44:27.120 The Speaker of the House is the third most powerful person in the United States.

00:44:29.460 Yes.

00:44:29.720 After the Vice President.

00:44:30.960 That's it.

00:44:31.300 That's the next line of succession.

00:44:32.240 A lot of people don't know that.

00:44:33.300 I'd actually, I'd actually say.

00:44:35.460 I would say the Speaker of the House is more powerful.

00:44:36.440 More powerful.

00:44:36.940 Yeah, more powerful.

00:44:38.040 Because he actually does more stuff every day.

00:44:39.560 Yeah.

00:44:40.160 Yeah.

00:44:40.360 It has the purse strings.

00:44:41.320 Yeah, 100%.

00:44:42.000 If that Speaker is able to whip, you know, up these votes and get people on the same page,

00:44:48.120 it's a lot more powerful than the President of the United States.

00:44:51.460 Yeah.

00:44:51.600 Because people, some people forget it's Article I of the Constitution is actually the first

00:44:55.400 thing that they thought of with the House of Representatives and the Senate, right?

00:45:00.140 So, it's, although it's an equal branch, it is the most powerful branch because it is

00:45:06.520 the people's house.

00:45:07.300 It's the people's house.

00:45:07.760 Yep.

00:45:08.240 Right?

00:45:08.640 Because there's supposed to be like the actual representatives of the people.

00:45:11.580 Yeah.

00:45:11.780 And the executive, you know, it's in the word.

00:45:14.840 Their job is to execute legislation, the will of the people.

00:45:21.440 He executes the will of the people.

00:45:23.620 Who is the chief of police?

00:45:25.400 I forget his name.

00:45:25.920 I got a chance to talk to him.

00:45:26.880 Oh, no.

00:45:28.040 He's done Son or something like that?

00:45:29.200 We talked to him, Son or Son or something like that.

00:45:30.480 So, I got the chance to talk to him in D.C. and he was telling me about how it took over

00:45:34.780 two hours to get a response for the National Guard, right?

00:45:38.020 And I was kind of just comparing him like, okay, what other event would this have been

00:45:41.920 normal or if any?

00:45:43.340 He said none.

00:45:44.600 So, any time-

00:45:45.720 Chief of Police for Metro PD.

00:45:46.660 No, for Capitol Police.

00:45:47.980 Capitol Police.

00:45:48.200 Okay.

00:45:48.620 Right.

00:45:49.020 So, for that request-

00:45:50.880 Yeah, he got fired.

00:45:51.420 Because there's multiple police departments, like, you know, in D.C. especially, you got Metro,

00:45:54.920 Washington, D.C., Capitol PD.

00:45:56.860 You're going to be arrested by the FBI, Metropolitan PD, Capitol Police.

00:46:00.260 Secret Service is there.

00:46:00.640 U.S. Park Police.

00:46:01.340 Park Police.

00:46:01.800 Everyone is there.

00:46:02.660 So, I asked him, no, no, I asked him, how normal is it to get that kind of response?

00:46:08.640 He's like, absolutely, it's out of bounds.

00:46:12.160 Like, if I asked for National Guard, they have a response team ready to go within probably

00:46:18.340 five to ten minutes of being there.

00:46:19.600 They're ready to go.

00:46:20.680 So, for the fact that he had to wait two hours and basically at the end of it get a no, he's

00:46:25.760 like, it was something that I've never seen before.

00:46:28.400 And it kind of speaks to the whole situation so that people can understand this wasn't a

00:46:32.620 matter of, like, things just got chaotic and out of control and there's so many people

00:46:35.980 that overwhelmed the police and the people were just doing the best job.

00:46:38.360 No, they spent two hours trying to do some one specific thing to get National Guard in

00:46:43.220 there.

00:46:43.800 And, you know, people have a conflicting feeling.

00:46:46.520 Well, you know, well, if they need a National Guard, well, how are you guys the good guys?

00:46:50.940 And it's just kind of like your side and our side kind of an argument.

00:46:54.780 But really, the biggest thing that was lacking there was communication.

00:46:57.980 There was no cops on bullhorns or loudspeakers telling us what they were going to do.

00:47:02.340 Hey, this is a riot now.

00:47:03.780 We're going to start firing non-lethals into the crowd if you guys don't.

00:47:07.720 They just started shooting people, you know.

00:47:10.960 So there was no escalation.

00:47:12.260 There was no escalation.

00:47:14.180 They let you guys in.

00:47:15.460 And then all of a sudden, then they say, hey, they start shooting.

00:47:19.140 Yeah, there was a brief time of escalation, right, where inside of the crowd, people stormed

00:47:23.660 the Capitol, and then it chilled the hell out.

00:47:25.780 It was chill as, you know, as all could be, and people were walking around.

00:47:28.780 I walked into a door, like, I got up to the...

00:47:31.940 With a cop next to that door.

00:47:33.360 Yeah, I saw an entrance where everybody's going through a window, and I'm like, I'm too

00:47:36.960 well known, not a good idea.

00:47:38.920 So I see this other entrance with, like, 10 cops outside, and they're holding up a door.

00:47:43.300 I'm like, I'm going over there.

00:47:44.200 And that's exactly what I did.

00:47:45.180 It's on video and everything.

00:47:46.000 And, you know, it's like, in that moment, as a civilian, you know, how are you supposed

00:47:52.100 to know that that's not okay?

00:47:54.420 Yeah.

00:47:54.980 There's no signs.

00:47:55.940 That's when they let you in.

00:47:56.480 Yeah.

00:47:56.800 I mean, it's their job to tell you if it's not okay or not.

00:48:00.000 Yeah.

00:48:00.100 It's a public building, so if it's restricted, it is their job to let me know that.

00:48:04.740 There's no signs that say this is a restricted area.

00:48:06.520 So now I didn't realize that that much of the FBI workforce, which, by the way, just

00:48:12.460 so you guys know, about what, 35,000 employees of the FBI, 40,000, something like that, the

00:48:16.800 biggest federal law enforcement agency in the country.

00:48:19.500 35,000 too much.

00:48:20.780 Yeah, something like that.

00:48:21.700 So take me through.

00:48:23.860 Did they actually arrest you, or did you turn yourself in?

00:48:26.660 No, they arrested me.

00:48:27.740 My arrest warrant-

00:48:28.160 Take me through that day.

00:48:29.160 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:29.720 So my arrest warrant was signed three hours in the Biden's presidency.

00:48:34.840 What?

00:48:35.480 Yeah.

00:48:35.860 Wow.

00:48:36.140 He's a big name.

00:48:36.980 That's why.

00:48:37.380 They went out.

00:48:37.940 My show was doing really well.

00:48:39.860 So January 20th, you're an arrest warrant.

00:48:42.260 He swears in, and you're already-

00:48:44.000 Three hours later, arrest warrant signed.

00:48:45.500 The next morning, the FBI comes to my house, picks me up.

00:48:48.300 Wow.

00:48:48.840 So I was under persecution every single day of that administration.

00:48:53.460 Okay.

00:48:53.980 Did they give you bail?

00:48:55.360 In the beginning, because they didn't have the strategy, I think, put together yet.

00:48:59.340 I just got initially two petty misdemeanors.

00:49:02.000 I know.

00:49:02.320 I didn't even have any firearms.

00:49:03.820 Like, they had no rationale to be able to do it.

00:49:07.780 It was a local judge.

00:49:08.720 So I kind of slipped through the cracks a bit, and then June came around, and I got superseded with the Class A misdemeanors and the 1512 obstruction of an official proceeding felony, which about 350 other J6ers also got.

00:49:21.880 But that felony was absolutely crazy.

00:49:24.340 So just so I have the timeline right, because this is another thing, too, that I had a problem with the FBI with, right?

00:49:28.700 As a guy that used to do these investigations, the federal government, 1811 special agents, should not be wasting time on fucking misdemeanors.

00:49:34.260 Yeah.

00:49:34.380 So the fact that they even put this much resources into misdemeanors is unparalleled.

00:49:38.840 So I've never seen it.

00:49:39.800 Only the FBI would do something so stupid.

00:49:41.600 So January 20th, FBI shows up at your house for misdemeanors.

00:49:46.240 21st, yeah.

00:49:46.700 Or more than the 21st.

00:49:47.620 The 21st.

00:49:48.120 They show up at your house, 6 o'clock in the morning.

00:49:49.480 Where were you at at the time?

00:49:50.400 Like, what state?

00:49:50.940 South Jersey.

00:49:51.720 South Jersey.

00:49:52.220 So they show up.

00:49:53.500 Did they even – did they knock your door down, or did they –

00:49:56.080 Well, so I actually gave him –

00:49:57.440 Because of misdemeanor warrants, so it's like –

00:49:58.760 I gave him the spook because I'd actually gone for a walk.

00:50:01.200 I don't know if I had a premonition or something that night, but I was just like, I got to – like, something's not right.

00:50:05.260 I went – like, early in the morning, went out for a walk.

00:50:07.780 Yeah.

00:50:08.020 And my wife calls me crying at, like, 7 a.m.

00:50:09.860 She's like, the FBI's here.

00:50:11.640 And the FBI agent goes on the phone.

00:50:12.980 He's like, where the fuck are you?

00:50:14.500 I'm like, I'm just – I'm just in town.

00:50:15.980 Like, I'm over here.

00:50:16.660 Like, stay where you are.

00:50:17.880 We're going to come to get you right now.

00:50:19.080 There were cop cars all over the small town.

00:50:21.320 Wow.

00:50:21.440 They called the police departments from, like, the five neighboring towns.

00:50:25.000 Yeah.

00:50:25.140 It was like a manhunt situation to try to get me.

00:50:27.580 Wow.

00:50:28.120 Absolutely insane.

00:50:28.980 And for a misdemeanor – because I don't think they could kick your door in for a misdemeanor warrant.

00:50:31.920 No.

00:50:32.180 I don't think they can.

00:50:32.920 And fortunately, they didn't kick the door in.

00:50:34.640 I know that they did that to a lot of J6ers.

00:50:36.460 They didn't do that to me.

00:50:36.940 Well, we know a lot of things that they couldn't do.

00:50:38.440 Did you have any prior criminal record or anything?

00:50:41.880 See, this is what I'm talking about.

00:50:42.560 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:50:43.240 This is what I'm talking about.

00:50:43.980 A guy who has no record whatsoever, and they go after him like this.

00:50:46.860 So, okay.

00:50:47.640 So, you get arrested.

00:50:48.360 They bring you in probably that morning for initial appearance.

00:50:50.400 Yeah.

00:50:50.580 And then you get a bond, right?

00:50:52.080 Yeah.

00:50:52.400 I have arraignment, and I get a bond.

00:50:54.020 Okay.

00:50:54.260 I think about –

00:50:54.760 And then you said they did a superseding indictment, and that's when they finally hit you with felony charges.

00:50:59.200 And you said this was six months later?

00:51:00.800 About – yeah, five, six months later.

00:51:02.500 It was mid-June.

00:51:03.420 I got hit with that.

00:51:05.140 And the 50 –

00:51:05.440 And then did they come into your house again and kick the door in this time?

00:51:08.300 No, no.

00:51:09.620 Everything – because I was already on bond.

00:51:11.080 It was just a superseding indictment, basically.

00:51:13.200 And they told your lawyer, I'm assuming, and they said, hey, you got to turn yourself in.

00:51:16.320 No, I didn't get put in prison then.

00:51:18.640 I was in pretrial release all the way up.

00:51:23.420 Of course, of course.

00:51:23.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:23.840 But like when they did a superseding indictment, they had to bring you in front of a judge again.

00:51:27.180 It was a Zoom meeting.

00:51:28.140 I think that's why I'm –

00:51:29.180 Oh, okay, okay.

00:51:29.760 And this is 2021, so this makes sense.

00:51:31.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:32.000 Lockdowns are still going on, et cetera.

00:51:33.520 So, they said, hey, you've been indicted.

00:51:35.340 Your lawyer probably called you, and then you went to – okay.

00:51:37.620 Correct.

00:51:38.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:38.440 So, then what happened from there?

00:51:41.500 So, like, you took it to trial, right?

00:51:43.460 I did take it to trial, yeah.

00:51:44.760 Okay, can you take us through that?

00:51:46.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:51:48.120 So, that was in June 2023, and that was a crazy experience.

00:51:53.660 So, two years later, roughly.

00:51:55.060 Yeah, we kept trying to delay.

00:51:56.960 So, this is actually a little interesting thing to add in here.

00:51:58.700 So, I had Judge Sullivan at first, and he was a really lazy – I'm not saying he was, like, a good judge or anything like that, because none of the D.C. judges were good judges.

00:52:06.320 Was this added, like, what, the Sunday district in New Jersey or something?

00:52:08.700 So, I got arrested in New Jersey, but everything got transferred to D.C.

00:52:12.080 Like, immediately.

00:52:12.920 So, did you have to go to D.C. to do – or to go to trial?

00:52:15.320 For trial, yes.

00:52:16.600 In the beginning, though, everything was Zoom hearing because of the COVID stuff.

00:52:19.340 Of course.

00:52:20.300 So, I had Judge Sullivan at first.

00:52:22.820 He actually seemed kind of amenable to have things kind of get kicked down the road.

00:52:26.100 So, there was a lot of can-kicking with this over – my prosecutor got transferred, so I had a new prosecutor.

00:52:31.460 I had to start the process over.

00:52:33.600 In the fall of 2022, you know, at this point, you had the initial stuff with Fisher, with the Fisher case.

00:52:39.420 And this is kind of relevant when it comes to the 1512 felony.

00:52:42.400 Do you mind if I digress a bit on the 1512?

00:52:44.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:44.360 Please, please.

00:52:44.980 Explain it to the people because 18 U.S.C., 1512, right?

00:52:47.560 Yeah.

00:52:47.820 Okay.

00:52:48.240 Yeah.

00:52:48.440 So, the 1512 felony is called obstruction of an official proceeding.

00:52:53.160 It goes back to the Enron era, the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, and basically Enron was destroying documents and trying to impede their investigation of Enron officials, right?

00:53:05.100 And there was some, like, loophole in the law where –

00:53:06.920 This was, like, in the 80s, right?

00:53:08.160 Early 2000s.

00:53:09.080 Early 2000s.

00:53:09.960 Yeah, okay.

00:53:10.500 Yeah, so there was this whole thing, like, loophole in the law, basically, where they could be destroying these things.

00:53:16.440 Or, like – or they – I don't know whether it's that they couldn't destroy it, but basically, the bottom line is that it was – the whole law was about witness tampering and document destruction.

00:53:25.600 And you basically have a 20-year felony if you do it to impede a proceeding.

00:53:28.720 And that's what they hit you with.

00:53:29.800 Well, so there's a subsection that says, or otherwise obstructing an official proceeding.

00:53:34.780 And so, they took this law, which is about financial crimes.

00:53:37.860 Yeah.

00:53:38.480 And they applied it to basically anybody who they wanted to, who went into the Capitol or even didn't go into the Capitol, right?

00:53:45.380 Yeah, it didn't matter.

00:53:46.220 You know, it didn't really matter.

00:53:47.120 So, literally –

00:53:47.440 It was so vague.

00:53:48.720 They could stretch it.

00:53:49.500 Everyone got with a charge.

00:53:50.160 That was their go-to felony, right?

00:53:53.000 Oh, so all of you guys got hit with the same 15-12.

00:53:54.820 Everybody got hit.

00:53:55.880 So, when that Fisher – when that Fisher ruling came in, it affected us all.

00:54:00.480 Gotcha.

00:54:01.000 Right?

00:54:01.340 So, pretty much – the government was trying in the beginning – they were trying to restructure how they prosecuted the cases so they could make it stick.

00:54:07.840 Yeah.

00:54:08.040 Gotcha.

00:54:08.120 And then they – since the judges were throwing them out, I think they kind of just gave up on it.

00:54:14.740 Also, some – so some judges were throwing out this 15-12.

00:54:17.500 Yeah, if the Supreme Court's telling you, hey, this doesn't apply.

00:54:20.740 Yeah.

00:54:20.940 Right?

00:54:21.600 And then you, as a judge, is like, well, fuck you, Supreme Court.

00:54:26.880 Like, we're going to do whatever we want.

00:54:29.080 No, they were throwing it out.

00:54:30.420 I know a whole bunch of judges that would have wanted for it to stick.

00:54:35.300 Interesting.

00:54:35.600 But they used it – that was, like, the cookie-cutter felony in order to get anybody – like, if you trespassed into the Capitol, like, all you did was really just walk in, like, they did, or I can't say it because I wasn't there.

00:54:50.540 Yeah.

00:54:51.540 Then that was the felony that you got hit with.

00:54:54.200 And usually, people that were louder, people with, like, a podcast –

00:54:58.160 Yeah, I was shouting in there, too.

00:54:59.580 They didn't know that.

00:55:00.100 Or people, like, that had a bigger following, that's what they did to make an example.

00:55:06.260 Yeah.

00:55:06.560 So anyone that had a platform, an audience of some kind, they went after you guys first.

00:55:10.000 You're done.

00:55:10.400 That's 100%.

00:55:11.100 You're cut.

00:55:11.880 If you were in Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, 3%ers, if you had a big social media platform, those were grounds, basically, to throw the book at you, to go after you.

00:55:20.020 I saw you on Yahoo News.

00:55:21.880 Yeah.

00:55:22.300 I saw you on Yahoo.

00:55:23.160 They went after you quick, bro.

00:55:24.420 Yeah.

00:55:24.600 No, they were really –

00:55:25.160 Well, I mean, the day after Biden has sworn is crazy.

00:55:27.460 This is insane.

00:55:28.260 That tells me.

00:55:29.300 Indictive.

00:55:29.700 I was pointing on my investigator hat.

00:55:31.540 They had the warrants ready to go.

00:55:32.620 They just waited until he was sworn in.

00:55:34.120 Yep.

00:55:34.280 New USA comes in.

00:55:35.460 All right, well, let's push this through now.

00:55:36.680 That's 100% right.

00:55:37.260 They had everything ready to go.

00:55:38.240 They just waited for the new USA to come in.

00:55:40.120 Yeah, because they were having the hearings for Merrick Garland before Biden was sworn in.

00:55:43.800 Yeah.

00:55:44.120 Right?

00:55:44.480 Yeah, the Attorney General.

00:55:45.660 And then also, the other thing, too, is that the United States Attorney, a lot of people don't know this, that is a presidentially appointed position.

00:55:50.540 The United States Attorney presides over that entire area and takes all the cases.

00:55:56.100 His name was Matthew Graves.

00:55:57.480 Boom.

00:55:57.800 Out of Washington, D.C.

00:55:58.560 Oh, right.

00:55:58.840 Graves.

00:55:59.280 Yeah, so that guy got appointed by Biden.

00:56:01.680 He comes in.

00:56:02.440 All right, let's go get them all now.

00:56:03.720 Yeah.

00:56:03.940 Yep.

00:56:04.560 Yeah.

00:56:04.760 Wow.

00:56:05.760 Real piece of work.

00:56:06.320 So you go to trial.

00:56:08.180 Yeah, so in the fall—

00:56:09.280 That must have been nerve-wracking.

00:56:10.520 No one goes to trial.

00:56:11.640 So, like, take us through that, man.

00:56:13.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so in the fall of 2022, we kept trying to do this delay because of the Fisher case because it was going to the appeals court, and the judge gave us another delay.

00:56:22.440 Okay.

00:56:22.600 The prosecution was now really angry about this, you could see.

00:56:25.280 And it was really convenient for them, and it was really convenient for them because over the weekend, like, I had the hearing on a Thursday, and then my lawyer calls me on Monday, and he says, you have a new judge now.

00:56:35.900 Oh.

00:56:36.720 And I'm like, okay, what are the fucking odds of that?

00:56:38.640 You had a district judge, right?

00:56:40.220 It was, yeah, federal—

00:56:41.500 I'm not sure for the misdemeanors, then I go to a district judge for the felony.

00:56:44.120 Yeah, so I had Judge Sullivan at first.

00:56:45.880 He was happy to delay it, and then I get transferred to Beryl Howell, who's very—

00:56:51.740 Ooh, that's very harsh.

00:56:52.220 Wasn't that your district judge?

00:56:53.960 Yeah.

00:56:54.460 Yeah.

00:56:54.980 She's actually was under two congressional investigations, one for collusion with the Justice Department, and another one for bias, basically.

00:57:03.160 Wow.

00:57:03.740 And she was still on the bench?

00:57:04.320 She's a big advocate activist judge that is anti-Trump, openly anti-Trump, that she should have never taken—a lot of these judges should have never taken these cases.

00:57:13.760 So, okay, holy shit.

00:57:14.640 Let me get this straight.

00:57:16.640 So, in every district, there is a couple of district judges, depending on how big it is.

00:57:20.660 You guys all got indicted out of the district of Columbia.

00:57:22.940 Yes, we had the same—I think it's 12 judges that operated out of D.C.

00:57:27.360 I think it's somewhere close to that.

00:57:28.540 So, 12 judges.

00:57:29.220 Would it be fair to say that all 1,500 people from the January 6th event basically got one of those 12 judges?

00:57:36.420 Yeah.

00:57:36.660 Yeah, basically, yeah.

00:57:37.900 That's exactly what it is.

00:57:39.140 All those—all those—if you were a J6-er, you're going to be charged in D.C.

00:57:44.320 Exactly.

00:57:44.560 And if you're charged in D.C., these are the judges.

00:57:47.340 And are all of them left-leaning, pretty much?

00:57:49.780 And you—I mean, yes.

00:57:51.520 Yeah.

00:57:52.200 Some rabidly—some rabidly.

00:57:54.540 So, here's another thing—

00:57:55.280 But not one of them is right-wing.

00:57:56.660 No.

00:57:56.760 Well, here's the confusion with some people.

00:57:59.520 Some people—the media picks this up.

00:58:01.700 They're like, oh, well, these are Trump-appointed judges.

00:58:04.520 Well, even if they're Trump-appointed judges, that's not how the appointments work, right?

00:58:09.580 Yeah.

00:58:09.780 There's a committee that goes and says, hey, these are the judges that we're recommending.

00:58:14.100 And the president just basically—

00:58:15.340 And we talked about this in his first administration.

00:58:17.540 Yeah, he put them in because he doesn't know anybody.

00:58:19.420 Yeah, he doesn't know.

00:58:20.540 He relied upon establishment, GOP, deep state motherfuckers that have been there forever.

00:58:25.760 He relied on them to make the appointments.

00:58:27.500 So, a lot of them probably might not even align with him politically.

00:58:29.500 I mean, what we're seeing now is a different administration.

00:58:31.880 Like Pat just said, it is important that Trump—the election in 2020 was stolen, right?

00:58:41.560 Because it was a learning experience for him, too.

00:58:43.980 Yeah.

00:58:44.120 We're seeing a Trump that we would have never saw in 2020.

00:58:47.260 We're seeing a country and a culture shift that we would have never seen if that didn't happen.

00:58:54.000 That was supposed to happen.

00:58:55.160 That was God sent.

00:58:56.560 Yeah.

00:58:56.780 I'll tell you this.

00:58:57.480 So now, nothing that the president does comes out of his office.

00:59:02.960 I mean, it leaves his office.

00:59:05.160 So when—we'll give you a perfect example.

00:59:07.100 Pardons are usually done by the Department of Justice, by a small group of prosecutors that decide who gets a pardon and who doesn't.

00:59:14.020 At the end of the term.

00:59:14.960 Yeah.

00:59:15.180 So, in the president's case, no.

00:59:17.780 He went ahead and he appointed a pardon czar, which is that woman that did 21 years for marijuana.

00:59:26.620 She was pardoned by the president back in 2019.

00:59:29.760 Okay.

00:59:30.180 So, he appointed her.

00:59:31.460 So, everything goes through his office.

00:59:33.020 He's not micromanaging, but he's using his people the right way now.

00:59:37.500 Yeah.

00:59:37.700 So, that's something that's big in the administration.

00:59:40.280 I think that kind of speaks to the whole pardon issue, that a lot of people are up in arms.

00:59:43.960 And I've been kind of sitting back, right?

00:59:45.060 Because I didn't receive a pardon.

00:59:46.240 Yeah.

00:59:46.640 I was going to ask you about that next.

00:59:47.920 This next to me did.

00:59:49.520 You got a commutation.

00:59:50.420 Like, right away.

00:59:51.700 If you could explain the difference between a commutation.

00:59:54.400 And then we'll come back to you with the trunks.

00:59:55.560 I want to hear about that.

00:59:56.580 Yeah.

00:59:56.780 Yeah.

00:59:57.160 Commutation versus a pardon.

00:59:59.200 So, with the pardon, you can still see that you have had a conviction before, but everything's sealed, right?

01:00:05.900 And you're able to go probation-free.

01:00:08.820 You're gone.

01:00:09.520 You're done.

01:00:09.900 None of your civil rights are violated.

01:00:11.120 You can carry a gun.

01:00:11.980 You can carry your gun.

01:00:12.440 You don't lose your ability to the Second Amendment and all that.

01:00:14.120 Right.

01:00:14.360 And this.

01:00:14.960 Commutation is you've served your sentence, but you still have to do probation.

01:00:18.520 So, when I got back, I got 18 years.

01:00:23.640 Yeah.

01:00:24.520 I got 18 years.

01:00:25.100 Second best.

01:00:25.520 First.

01:00:26.380 For 1512?

01:00:26.780 If this is competitive, I'm first.

01:00:28.440 Well, seditious conspiracy was the charge that we got that was the big bad.

01:00:32.960 Okay.

01:00:33.320 So, you guys both got hit with 371.

01:00:35.300 Yeah.

01:00:35.520 Okay.

01:00:36.300 Well, it's 2384.

01:00:37.860 2384.

01:00:38.360 That's what I got tattooed right here.

01:00:39.640 Which is sedition.

01:00:40.920 Oh, so they didn't even hit you with the normal conspiracy.

01:00:43.100 No, no.

01:00:43.480 They went down.

01:00:44.140 We got everything.

01:00:44.800 We got all of them.

01:00:45.140 We got all of them.

01:00:45.460 They dusted off the books on the Civil War era.

01:00:48.780 I've never seen that.

01:00:49.560 I was going to say.

01:00:50.340 Yeah.

01:00:50.740 Normal.

01:00:51.300 It's 18-USC, 371, conspiracy.

01:00:53.300 Civil War.

01:00:53.800 Yeah.

01:00:54.140 General one.

01:00:55.160 I've never even seen that one.

01:00:56.260 Seditious conspiracy.

01:00:57.260 It's actually the only felony that has the conspiracy laid out in the law itself that's above just conspiracy.

01:01:04.020 Is it, is it, is it, um,

01:01:05.620 basically tied to political conspiracy?

01:01:07.920 So what it is is, so just to tell you what sedition is, sedition was, uh, the British made this, this, this law back in the 1400s where they couldn't charge somebody with treason, right?

01:01:19.460 So they made another law called sedition and it was really, they were, they were jailing their political opponents with it.

01:01:25.500 Okay.

01:01:25.760 Now fast forward into, uh, the Civil War.

01:01:29.620 Um, it was actually before the Civil War.

01:01:32.060 John Adams passed this thing called the Seditious Acts and it was actually rendered unconstitutional two years later and it went away.

01:01:38.980 After the Civil War, they needed a way to punish, um, the, the rebel army, right?

01:01:44.840 Coming back and they needed a loss and they couldn't charge them with treason.

01:01:48.980 So they brought back this sedition, which is what we see today as the 18 USC 2384.

01:01:55.200 Wow.

01:01:55.480 Right.

01:01:55.920 And that's really, it's, it's hardly ever used cause it's a, it's a very high bar, but it didn't matter in DC because the most important thing you wanted to ask him about the trial.

01:02:07.700 Yeah.

01:02:08.480 The trial doesn't matter.

01:02:09.840 Yeah.

01:02:10.100 Because the jury pool, anybody who went to DC and went to trial, lost that trial on the first day.

01:02:15.340 First day we are all guilty.

01:02:16.500 Because when you go to jury selection and 14 member people that are residents of DC, DC is the most left-leaning district by far worse in the country.

01:02:29.580 93% voted for Biden and 4% voted for Trump.

01:02:34.260 They're lefty activists.

01:02:35.580 Yes.

01:02:35.960 Now that, I mean, she, Kamala Harris won Washington DC.

01:02:38.200 That should tell you everything you need to know.

01:02:39.480 I mean, I don't, I don't think.

01:02:40.600 She got like 90% plus of the vote in the last election.

01:02:43.180 I don't, I don't think that there's, uh, I gotta look that up.

01:02:46.160 The jury who was being looked at for a jury wanted to, she didn't want to put us in prison.

01:02:50.740 Oh, she wanted to put us under the prison.

01:02:52.580 That's what she said.

01:02:53.080 And she almost got put in the jury.

01:02:54.340 Yeah.

01:02:54.520 And then the foreman, we, we protest, the Proud Boys pride themselves in protesting that drag queen story hour shit.

01:03:00.060 Yeah.

01:03:00.520 Yeah.

01:03:00.860 Okay.

01:03:01.180 So they were, the Proud Boys has never stopped protesting that.

01:03:04.240 And there were events in DC while we were going to trial, right?

01:03:08.380 That the Proud Boys were protesting in the district of Columbia.

01:03:11.740 Guess who the foreman of our jury was?

01:03:15.060 He is the guy who organizes drag queen story hour.

01:03:18.600 Oh, man.

01:03:19.100 So anybody who went to trial did the smart thing and the courageous thing to do.

01:03:24.160 Right.

01:03:24.740 But it was also in, it was, it was impossible to win.

01:03:28.280 It was six months long ago.

01:03:28.840 Your trial was one day?

01:03:29.800 No, it was a week.

01:03:30.660 It was a week.

01:03:31.440 It started on my birthday, actually.

01:03:33.040 June 5th, 2023.

01:03:34.320 What a happy birthday.

01:03:35.320 Jury selection.

01:03:35.940 And then the last, the next two days were them showing footage of all sorts of other things that happened on J6 that had nothing to do with me.

01:03:44.240 They're like, like my lawyer would go and say, was Mr. Stedman present for this?

01:03:48.060 Like to the witness, the witness said, no, I never saw him.

01:03:51.100 You know, I, yeah, he wouldn't have been able to see this.

01:03:52.980 And we're like, how the fuck was this even allowed in the trial to begin with?

01:03:56.860 How did it become a government exhibit?

01:03:57.800 Yeah.

01:03:57.980 Well, that's the thing.

01:03:58.580 So we protested this in the motions.

01:04:00.380 Yeah.

01:04:00.620 Obviously.

01:04:01.340 Before the trial.

01:04:01.820 Yeah.

01:04:01.980 Before the trial.

01:04:02.640 And we were denied on it.

01:04:03.600 Basically, we said, look, if the, if the prosecution is going to show evidence of things that Mr. Stedman wasn't present for, then we can show, you know, other evidence of things that Mr. Stedman wasn't present for that might defend him.

01:04:14.800 Like the police attacking the protesters.

01:04:16.720 Of course.

01:04:16.920 And they said, no, the government can use whatever they want to set the context, but you can only show what you saw.

01:04:22.900 So it was automatically from the beginning, completely weighted against any reasonable.

01:04:27.820 The scope was unbalanced.

01:04:28.580 Yeah.

01:04:28.880 Wow.

01:04:29.340 Yeah.

01:04:29.440 I mean, I mean, if you're a jury, even if you weren't a DC jury, right.

01:04:32.780 That was super biased from the start.

01:04:34.840 You used to have two days straight of watching people ride and blow, you know, throw things.

01:04:39.160 And, and like, I didn't do that, but like, that's what they showed them for two days straight.

01:04:43.460 That's how does that not bias them?

01:04:45.360 Yeah.

01:04:45.380 That's going to bias them immediately.

01:04:46.600 Yeah.

01:04:47.180 What the, okay.

01:04:48.420 So this is crazy.

01:04:49.540 So going back to this, um, sedition charge, which I've never seen it.

01:04:53.080 I've probably never been charged in modern times.

01:04:54.860 Uh, yeah, actually it was charged one time by a Puerto Rican national back in the fifties

01:05:00.700 that literally bombed the Capitol and killed people with guns in the Capitol.

01:05:06.400 And she was charged with sedition amongst other things.

01:05:10.380 Yeah.

01:05:10.420 Wasn't she pardoned?

01:05:11.240 She was pardoned.

01:05:11.900 She was pardoned by President, uh, I believe Clinton or Obama.

01:05:15.800 Yeah.

01:05:15.980 It was Clinton.

01:05:16.600 Oh, of course.

01:05:17.140 In the fifties she did this.

01:05:18.060 Of course the Democrats.

01:05:18.320 In the fifties.

01:05:18.860 This must have been when I was spying on Puerto Ricans, right?

01:05:21.740 This was in that era.

01:05:22.560 Okay.

01:05:22.940 Yes.

01:05:23.220 Yeah.

01:05:23.360 Because there was a lot of Puerto Rican revolutionaries that didn't want to.

01:05:25.280 There's a bigger story there.

01:05:26.220 Yeah.

01:05:26.460 With that.

01:05:26.820 Gotcha.

01:05:27.060 Um, we had the longest trial in DC history, the longest, so you both went to trial too.

01:05:32.840 Yeah.

01:05:33.080 This is my, this is not only my brother.

01:05:35.480 Uh, this is also my co-defendant.

01:05:38.000 Uh, there's five of us.

01:05:39.220 I was number one on the indictment, just so you know.

01:05:41.800 He loves when I say that.

01:05:42.900 I was number one.

01:05:44.640 Yeah.

01:05:45.060 Normally, the number one is the top guy.

01:05:47.340 Stop, stop, stop, can we, can we take this, mute this, mute his mic, please.

01:05:52.040 You guys had the only like co-defendant, because we, none of, none of the J6ers were usually

01:05:55.780 co-defendants, but you guys were all actually co-defendants.

01:05:57.420 We were all co-defendants.

01:05:58.460 We went to trial for six months.

01:06:00.500 That was a crazy episode.

01:06:01.160 Every day, wake up at four o'clock in the morning, you get put in chains, you get put

01:06:05.240 in the bus, you get an hour drive, every day for six months.

01:06:08.720 And you get a bologna sandwich.

01:06:09.660 And you get a bologna sandwich.

01:06:09.840 Oh.

01:06:10.340 Breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

01:06:11.940 So that, let me tell you, okay.

01:06:12.900 Psychological warfare.

01:06:14.160 Yeah.

01:06:14.420 Yeah.

01:06:14.560 So I gotta go through this with you guys.

01:06:16.000 So, okay, so when were you guys indicted?

01:06:20.260 Well, they were indicted in January of 21.

01:06:24.000 I, they took a whole year to come pick me up.

01:06:26.380 So same with you guys.

01:06:27.440 You guys got indicted, basically, or arrested where it's filed, just like Pat, immediately.

01:06:31.740 You guys are getting arrested on the 21st.

01:06:32.260 From what I understand, the superseding indictments were like ready to go before they had any evidence

01:06:36.820 against us at all.

01:06:37.780 Yeah.

01:06:37.980 Okay.

01:06:38.640 Which is not legal, from what I understand.

01:06:41.260 So you get arrested where, in California, or?

01:06:43.280 In Seattle.

01:06:44.280 Okay.

01:06:44.680 Thank God you said that.

01:06:45.060 So you're there.

01:06:45.340 Take us through that day.

01:06:46.360 He looks like a Californian.

01:06:47.920 Take us through that day when they picked you up.

01:06:50.540 Well, I was actually out with the boys at a meetup, and these idiot feds didn't know

01:06:54.580 I wasn't home.

01:06:55.380 So they kicked down my door.

01:06:57.260 They threw flashbangs.

01:06:58.680 They held my wife at gunpoint.

01:07:00.260 Wow.

01:07:01.240 Just massive.

01:07:02.180 Like, I don't know how many agencies were involved, but we're talking, I mean, there

01:07:04.820 was a tank in my front lawn.

01:07:06.460 What?

01:07:07.240 A tank.

01:07:08.660 Well, they're like, right.

01:07:10.220 They probably spent their SWAT tank.

01:07:11.720 They sent their SRT probably.

01:07:13.200 I had two tanks.

01:07:13.780 God damn, bro.

01:07:15.660 They have these, like...

01:07:16.400 I got...

01:07:16.960 I mean, they broke in my door.

01:07:19.000 There's flashbangs, like, burn marks all over my carpet still to this day.

01:07:22.540 Wow.

01:07:22.860 Um, and they held my wife at gunpoint, uh, arrested her without reading her her rights

01:07:28.480 or Miranda rights or anything.

01:07:29.600 She got arrested, too?

01:07:30.460 Well, detained her.

01:07:31.520 Okay, okay.

01:07:31.620 So they put her in cuffs for hours.

01:07:33.740 Okay.

01:07:34.320 And we're interrogating her for passwords for my laptop.

01:07:38.060 And so I get a call.

01:07:39.260 I'm hanging out with the boys, right?

01:07:40.660 Yeah.

01:07:41.460 And, hey, the FBI's here.

01:07:43.040 And I, you know, I was anticipating this.

01:07:45.060 Yeah.

01:07:45.220 You know what I mean?

01:07:45.600 Uh, so I was like, all right, cool.

01:07:47.640 I talked...

01:07:48.100 I was like, let me talk to the head agent.

01:07:49.900 I talked to the guy.

01:07:50.660 He's, like, super chill with me.

01:07:52.500 You know what I mean?

01:07:53.220 I'm like, hey, man, what's going on?

01:07:54.280 What am I being charged with?

01:07:55.540 I'm not away right now.

01:07:56.660 Oh, where are you?

01:07:57.620 What are you...

01:07:57.900 When are you going to be here?

01:07:59.000 You know, just, hey, look, man.

01:08:00.360 I'm coming, okay?

01:08:01.640 I'm not, you know...

01:08:02.380 I'll turn myself in.

01:08:03.340 I just need to know what's going on.

01:08:04.660 What's...

01:08:04.940 What am I being charged with?

01:08:05.680 Because at the time, I had no idea.

01:08:07.520 There was no way that I would ever have thought that we would have ended up being charged with what we got charged with.

01:08:12.660 I'm thinking I might be in jail for, like, the weekend.

01:08:15.240 They might try and question me and say, oh, fuck yourself, you know, what I mean.

01:08:18.240 Yeah.

01:08:18.380 Like, I'm not talking to you lames.

01:08:20.760 That didn't happen.

01:08:22.180 Within the four years that I was locked up in all of trial, I was never asked a single question by a single government anything.

01:08:29.200 And I was...

01:08:30.520 Unlike Enrique, well, I guess...

01:08:32.060 Oh, here we go.

01:08:32.960 Get the fuck out.

01:08:33.420 I love getting my shit.

01:08:34.180 But, so, on the ground, I was leading the Proud Boys, and there was no communication between any of us guys and Enrique, right?

01:08:42.580 So, he creates this plan, and I'm acting it out with the guys allegedly.

01:08:46.940 That's what they're allegedly in an indictment.

01:08:49.220 So, if anybody knew what the actual plan was on the ground that was leading this insurrection, it would have been me.

01:08:57.180 Yeah.

01:08:57.660 And I was never asked one time by a prosecutor, by an FBI agent, nothing.

01:09:01.200 Not even an attempt.

01:09:02.320 Hey, what happened that day?

01:09:04.180 And I never got a chance to speak to anybody.

01:09:06.820 My lawyer didn't think it was a good idea to go to testify just because of the bullshit that they were doing.

01:09:11.580 Of course.

01:09:11.880 Just character assassination.

01:09:13.100 And they limited our scope so much.

01:09:15.520 Yeah.

01:09:16.220 That it was just...

01:09:17.080 We were so constrained.

01:09:18.240 It was just like, look, let's just get to the...

01:09:20.560 So, you're there on the...

01:09:21.400 What he's asking...

01:09:22.280 So, the bureau agent is telling you, hey, turn yourself in, or where are you at, right?

01:09:26.020 Right.

01:09:26.440 And you're in Seattle.

01:09:27.180 They're in Seattle as well?

01:09:28.440 Yeah.

01:09:28.820 So, I'm heading back.

01:09:30.040 You know, it took me about an hour drive.

01:09:31.440 I'm hanging out with the boys all night.

01:09:32.620 And the guy's like, look, just turn yourself in at two.

01:09:34.840 Come home, take a shower, whatever.

01:09:36.560 I'm like, okay, cool, man.

01:09:37.400 Sounds good.

01:09:37.860 I pull up, and I've got lasers all over my body.

01:09:41.500 Wow.

01:09:41.860 Just like, I'm like afraid to even put my car in park.

01:09:44.900 Yeah.

01:09:45.360 And they're all yelling at me, and, you know, I got rifles all on me.

01:09:49.340 So, you pull up, and then as soon as you pull up, like, your car's surrounded.

01:09:53.500 I can see my hands.

01:09:54.380 I can see my...

01:09:54.960 I'm just red dots.

01:09:55.880 You're surrounded as soon as you show up.

01:09:57.460 Completely, yeah.

01:09:58.060 And so, I didn't move.

01:09:59.060 I didn't even want to put the car in park because I'm like, this is not...

01:10:01.680 I'm not going to move.

01:10:02.840 And so, finally, the cop comes up to my window and be like, hey, man, you need to get out of the car.

01:10:06.880 I'm like, I need to put the car in park.

01:10:08.660 I'm not trying to run you all over, and then you guys have a reason to shoot me, you know?

01:10:11.360 Yeah.

01:10:12.560 Yeah, right.

01:10:13.360 Good thinking.

01:10:14.060 And so, he's like, okay, do it.

01:10:15.140 Because your foot is on the brake, just sitting there.

01:10:16.780 Yeah.

01:10:16.880 I'm not moving up an inch until they give me permission to put the car in park.

01:10:22.640 And they cuff me.

01:10:24.540 They bring me in the house.

01:10:25.500 I kind of get in their face a little bit because I'm like, you know, at this time, we're really battling Antifa in the streets,

01:10:30.320 and nothing's being done to them, and they're coming to my house and treating me like a terrorist.

01:10:33.380 Yeah.

01:10:33.540 And so, I'm like, you guys do all this for us, and you don't...

01:10:36.880 even acknowledge that Antifa or these other entities exist.

01:10:40.400 I mean, how many of these guys' doors are you knocking down?

01:10:42.780 Never.

01:10:43.460 None.

01:10:43.580 Zero.

01:10:44.120 Zero.

01:10:44.560 BLM never gets arrested.

01:10:46.160 Bro, it's ridiculous.

01:10:46.780 They get medals.

01:10:47.320 Well, Tim Kaine, Tim Kaine, right?

01:10:49.120 The vice presidential candidate for Clinton.

01:10:51.420 His son was in Antifa.

01:10:53.260 Yeah.

01:10:53.920 Well, it's certainly interesting, you know, with all this money, Doge is taking away from the funding,

01:11:01.100 how many Antifa aren't showing up lately.

01:11:04.580 Yeah.

01:11:05.000 Interesting.

01:11:05.060 We did a...

01:11:06.920 Last week, we did a presser in D.C. to announce that we're suing the DOJ for violation of civil rights,

01:11:15.380 plus, plus, plus, plus, plus, plus.

01:11:16.560 Yeah, sure.

01:11:17.160 All the things.

01:11:17.700 If we would have...

01:11:18.700 We had, like, three screamers there, you know, some people with bullhorns.

01:11:22.200 The banshees.

01:11:22.660 Three banshees, like, three liberal...

01:11:24.840 Oh, Antifa people talking shit.

01:11:26.460 Liberal, crusty white women that are, like, four foot nine.

01:11:30.320 Yeah.

01:11:30.840 No problem.

01:11:31.600 I got no problem.

01:11:32.120 If we would have done that back in 2020 or 2019, we would have had, like, hundreds of Antifa.

01:11:39.780 So, it's kind of like we just got pardoned, and we came out into, like, this crazy multiverse

01:11:47.440 that we didn't expect, that you guys built.

01:11:50.600 Yeah.

01:11:50.720 You know, we were locked in, that you guys built while we came out.

01:11:54.060 The culture has shifted so much that that shit isn't cool anymore.

01:11:58.600 Yeah.

01:11:58.760 Going out in the street and assaulting Trump supporters isn't cool.

01:12:01.660 I also want to thank my boys, right, for doing that, because I think that was a big portion

01:12:07.040 of it.

01:12:07.740 You know, every time they came out, we fought back.

01:12:11.340 But the price that we paid, right, was January 6th.

01:12:15.440 I paid 22 years of my life.

01:12:17.640 He paid 18.

01:12:18.760 You paid a year.

01:12:20.040 Joe Biggs paid 17.

01:12:22.040 Zachary Real paid 15.

01:12:23.940 And Dominic Pizzola paid 10.

01:12:25.680 Those are my...

01:12:26.440 And you would have got a lot more if it wasn't for Trump.

01:12:28.160 Yeah.

01:12:28.480 I mean, they hit that with four.

01:12:29.800 I wouldn't have been there right now if it wasn't for Trump.

01:12:32.800 He saved my fucking life.

01:12:35.460 He saved all of our lives.

01:12:37.020 We would have rot in there.

01:12:38.260 This is why I don't want anyone telling me it doesn't matter who you vote for.

01:12:41.160 This is proof right here it matters who you vote for.

01:12:43.360 These innocent political prisoners would have still been in jail if Harris was president.

01:12:48.760 It's a fact.

01:12:49.280 I mean, this is a dating podcast and male self-improvement.

01:12:52.420 But obviously, when I saw what was going on in 2024, I was like, no, we've got to get Trump in, man.

01:12:56.300 Like, this is beyond just getting some bitches.

01:12:59.320 Like, this is going to be very problematic if Kamala becomes president of the United States.

01:13:03.280 And obviously, you know, we made sure to campaign and push and say, guys, you've got to get out there and vote Republican and vote Trump.

01:13:08.180 I'm glad that it worked out.

01:13:10.340 And we were too big to rig, baby.

01:13:11.620 Like, we won in the last line, which was great, you know.

01:13:14.860 I remember that night when I – that was the day that I was free, right?

01:13:18.960 Trump pardoned me on January 20th, 2020.

01:13:21.580 A lot of people don't know this.

01:13:22.980 So he took his oath of office at noon, right?

01:13:27.500 And everybody was waiting until 5 o'clock because that's when he was going to sign all the executive order and the pardon.

01:13:32.280 And so all you guys were watching on TV, right, these – and everybody was like, okay, that's when he's going to sign the pardons.

01:13:41.160 Bullshit.

01:13:42.180 At 1.30 p.m., there was already emails and faxes from the administration to the Bureau of Prisons that told him, you better prepare to release these guys today.

01:13:53.760 He said, and I'm going to quote him, I will release them in the first nine minutes of my presidency.

01:13:59.560 And that was 100% true.

01:14:03.080 Promises made, promises kept.

01:14:06.360 Have you talked to the president?

01:14:09.960 No, I haven't.

01:14:11.060 Gotcha.

01:14:12.980 So back to – so you're there.

01:14:15.480 They got you handcuffed at the house.

01:14:17.500 They got you handcuffed at the house.

01:14:19.340 What happened after that?

01:14:20.580 Like, they just took you in and you didn't – you obviously probably invoked your right to not speak to them or –

01:14:29.560 I kind of just – I don't know.

01:14:35.620 Yeah, I just had no experience with the feds prior to this at all.

01:14:39.740 And so I'm thinking, again, that this is going to be one of those interrogation systems.

01:14:44.540 Let's just get it over with, right?

01:14:47.780 And it's just kind of going back to that time frame.

01:14:50.200 It's just kind of wild.

01:14:51.080 Like, it's – it really feels like we've been just in this long dream since we've gotten let out.

01:14:56.720 Four years, yeah.

01:14:57.320 And thinking back on it, it's just like it's – the mindset that I had was just so much different.

01:15:03.980 And what I've learned from the feds, you know, these guys, you can't trust them.

01:15:08.340 And they want to be your buddy.

01:15:10.060 They want to, you know, hey, it's all good, bro.

01:15:12.300 We understand.

01:15:13.300 You know, we're just doing our job.

01:15:14.620 It's called minimizing.

01:15:15.400 That's what they do.

01:15:15.920 Yeah, and you know what?

01:15:17.640 I hear it from the marshals.

01:15:18.880 I heard it from the CEOs.

01:15:21.200 I've heard it from local police.

01:15:22.480 And I'm just kind of sick of this, hey, you understand, man, I'm just doing my job thing.

01:15:26.020 Yeah, you should be fired.

01:15:27.240 You should be.

01:15:27.840 And you should feel a sense of guilt that you're cuffing up innocent people and taking them from their families.

01:15:33.680 And a lot of people don't realize, like, the scope of this issue isn't just, like, us, you know, directly, specifically, the guys who experience this head on.

01:15:41.540 It's our families.

01:15:42.460 It's our friends.

01:15:42.980 It's our businesses that got shut down and the employees that lost their jobs because of it and their families.

01:15:48.080 And, like, this is a huge, huge ripple effect of a problem that happened.

01:15:52.920 And there's several thousand people.

01:15:54.440 There's only, I think, like 260 that were locked up, right?

01:15:58.840 So I think there's less than 100 that are locked up since, like, day one.

01:16:01.800 Like, when we got arrested originally.

01:16:04.480 I got arrested, like, early February 2nd.

01:16:06.520 Again, what the first thing?

01:16:08.380 Number one.

01:16:10.480 So, yeah, so you got arrested February 2nd.

01:16:12.100 But there's, you know, there's a lot of people that were going through this the entire time.

01:16:19.260 And it's insane to me.

01:16:21.180 And I think everybody else, if you really think about this, one man was our savior.

01:16:24.760 We couldn't rely on anyone else.

01:16:26.260 There was no other leader in our country.

01:16:28.940 Well, you know, God was obviously the one getting all this organized.

01:16:34.200 And that's why I believe so much that Trump was going to get elected.

01:16:37.700 I saw them get, they tried to kill him.

01:16:39.560 They tried to bankrupt him.

01:16:40.460 They tried to do everything they could.

01:16:42.400 And there's, I can't explain how, in my mortal brain, how that's possible unless there was something supernatural.

01:16:51.240 Divine intervention.

01:16:52.220 Exactly.

01:16:53.160 So.

01:16:53.440 It's just, it's impossible.

01:16:55.200 We've never seen anything like it before.

01:16:56.400 And a lot of people forget, like, when you're in prison, right, because I only did, I don't want to say only, but I did three years.

01:17:03.860 Yeah.

01:17:04.040 You know, they did four.

01:17:04.900 And you guys were locked up the whole time, right?

01:17:06.300 The whole time.

01:17:06.640 Like, you never got bonded.

01:17:07.460 We were in solitary confinement the whole fucking time.

01:17:09.980 Wow.

01:17:10.100 I did three years of solitary confinement in 40 different prisons.

01:17:13.180 They had me on what's called diesel therapy.

01:17:14.880 40 different prisons?

01:17:15.940 40 different prisons.

01:17:17.000 Wow.

01:17:17.260 Prisons, county jails, and federal holdovers.

01:17:19.840 Yeah.

01:17:20.020 They do that to you so you won't be comfortable in one place, and you're solid, it's solitary confinement.

01:17:25.960 You're by your fucking self.

01:17:28.120 No noise.

01:17:29.680 Hardly any time.

01:17:30.620 No wreck.

01:17:31.260 Communication.

01:17:31.800 No wreck or anything like that.

01:17:32.480 Why did they put you guys, because I'm assuming you guys didn't ask for it.

01:17:35.100 They just put you in solitary confinement just because of the nature of your charges?

01:17:38.400 Well, yeah, because the charges are akin to that of terrorists.

01:17:42.480 So they had to treat us differently.

01:17:44.500 With the sedition charge?

01:17:45.500 With the sedition charge.

01:17:46.740 You were in it.

01:17:47.580 Oh, no, but you were in for a year, right?

01:17:49.420 Yeah, I was sentenced to four years, but I only ended up serving a year because the

01:17:55.040 Supreme Court overturned that 15-12 felony midway through my sentence.

01:17:58.920 Gotcha.

01:17:59.360 But what was-

01:17:59.740 Was you a gen pop, or did they isolate you two?

01:18:01.360 I was in general population.

01:18:02.820 Okay.

01:18:03.120 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:03.460 But the sedition charge, they pretty much treated like a terrorist.

01:18:05.620 Sedition charge, I was put in the same category, and they were too, we were put in the same

01:18:11.080 category as El Chapo.

01:18:13.280 Yeah.

01:18:13.780 Wow.

01:18:14.300 The same method of transportation.

01:18:16.400 An enemy of the state, basically.

01:18:17.280 Yes.

01:18:17.560 Yeah.

01:18:18.080 So, actually, remember when we were in Alexandria, the plane bomber guy, he, like, bombed a whole

01:18:24.940 airplane over Africa and, like, killed, like, 300 and something people?

01:18:28.340 Okay.

01:18:28.840 He wasn't even at our level.

01:18:30.480 Wow.

01:18:31.400 Like, when we came out of ourselves, they had to shut down the entire floor.

01:18:35.560 There couldn't be any more inmates out on the floor.

01:18:38.320 Um, so, it was crazy, but, uh, this is where, what I was saying is, you get used to that.

01:18:45.040 You know, one gets adapted.

01:18:46.820 It's, the nefarious thing about this whole situation is how easily somebody, like, that's

01:18:51.600 life, right?

01:18:52.780 Like, the people who suffered more than we did was our families.

01:18:56.840 Yeah.

01:18:57.280 Yeah.

01:18:57.360 Right.

01:18:57.600 Because they're out here fighting every day.

01:18:59.360 My mom was crying every day.

01:19:00.480 My wife was crying every day.

01:19:02.100 And the people that did that to them, those people need to pay.

01:19:06.180 Yeah.

01:19:06.400 And what I mean by they need to pay is I want accountability.

01:19:09.820 Yeah.

01:19:09.920 I want investigations.

01:19:11.520 If we were to do investigations, we're going to find a crime.

01:19:15.300 And if we find a crime, they need to be prosecuted.

01:19:18.040 If they're prosecuted, they will be found guilty.

01:19:20.720 And if they're found guilty, they need to be put in a concrete box exactly like we are.

01:19:25.200 I'm not here to play games.

01:19:26.700 I'm not here to be the bigger person.

01:19:28.520 They need to be put in jail.

01:19:30.300 Yeah.

01:19:30.980 Yeah.

01:19:31.400 100%.

01:19:31.840 And, and I just want to just to add to what Enrique is saying.

01:19:34.940 We're not asking for them to do what they did to us.

01:19:39.600 They framed us for crimes.

01:19:42.140 We know what they did.

01:19:44.020 We want them just held accountable for the things that they actually did.

01:19:47.500 This is not about like playing their games.

01:19:49.700 We just want justice, real justice.

01:19:52.100 Yeah.

01:19:52.700 The real conspirators.

01:19:54.260 Yeah, exactly.

01:19:55.000 Quite frankly, justice should mean reparations for you guys in every single January 6th.

01:19:58.480 And I'm waiting for you guys to actually do something about that.

01:20:01.260 We're going to sue them.

01:20:02.220 Yeah.

01:20:02.500 And you know what I'm going to do?

01:20:03.380 Class action, right?

01:20:04.340 Class action.

01:20:04.680 Like, oh, you guys are getting together and.

01:20:06.280 Well, there's, there is a couple of class actions that are coming, but I think a lot

01:20:10.440 of the attorneys, what they're trying to do is sue individually, right?

01:20:14.820 Because it's more effective.

01:20:17.680 Maybe a class action's going to happen.

01:20:20.500 Maybe we join it.

01:20:21.640 Are you guys going after the Department of Justice or are you guys going after AUSAs and

01:20:25.340 agents?

01:20:25.940 One, that is one step.

01:20:28.280 We'll be announcing in the next week.

01:20:30.080 Okay.

01:20:30.520 We'll be announcing in the next week.

01:20:31.920 Exactly.

01:20:32.440 But it is a Department of Justice.

01:20:33.760 It might be the FBI.

01:20:35.480 It might be the Bureau of Prisons.

01:20:37.700 Again, it's violation of civil rights.

01:20:39.820 So I think, I think it's, I think we're, we're going to win this.

01:20:45.380 And when we win this, I'm going to spend a little bit of that money frivolously.

01:20:49.240 Right?

01:20:49.640 Because what I want to do is, I want to get, I want to get, yeah, I'm going to buy like

01:20:53.840 a fucking Cheetah with like a gold, gold leash, you know, just to, because what they

01:21:00.860 did to us, I'm really not going to do that, but what they did to us was wrong.

01:21:04.800 Yeah.

01:21:04.940 And it's not just reparations, it's payback.

01:21:07.720 Yeah.

01:21:08.040 You know, and it's, it's justified payback because we did not do anything wrong.

01:21:12.920 The J6ers did nothing wrong.

01:21:14.580 The Proud Boys did nothing wrong.

01:21:15.820 And the three men that are sitting right here did nothing wrong.

01:21:19.160 So take me through what happened for you on that day.

01:21:22.700 So you weren't even there.

01:21:24.380 I wasn't there.

01:21:25.000 You're, you're in Baltimore.

01:21:26.080 I'm in Baltimore in the hotel.

01:21:27.420 They take my phone from me.

01:21:28.820 What day was this?

01:21:30.000 This was on, I get released in January, on January 5th.

01:21:34.020 I get bonded out January 5th.

01:21:35.400 Yes.

01:21:35.560 Because you got arrested by, did you get arrested by Metro PD?

01:21:37.900 Metropolitan Police Department.

01:21:39.060 Because of BLM stuff.

01:21:40.000 Because of BLM stuff.

01:21:40.600 Misdemeanor charge, I'm guessing.

01:21:41.840 It's a, it's a misdemeanor charge.

01:21:43.640 Yes.

01:21:43.760 Okay.

01:21:44.060 So you get out January 5th.

01:21:44.860 They also gave me a felony because I had a high capacity magazine, which is a 30 round mag.

01:21:49.700 On my store, on my online store, I do like custom laser engraving.

01:21:53.560 So I was bringing them to somebody.

01:21:55.120 I didn't know it was illegal.

01:21:56.180 Okay.

01:21:56.480 But it didn't matter because the judge didn't ban me from DC for the mags.

01:22:01.240 She banned me in DC because she says that there's a whole bunch of Black Lives Matter banner and they're all in danger.

01:22:06.900 She might be right.

01:22:08.660 Okay.

01:22:09.120 So you get, so January 5th, you get bond, you get out.

01:22:11.920 I get out.

01:22:12.660 I'm automatically ordered to leave the district.

01:22:15.800 Okay.

01:22:16.180 But they keep my phone, which is weird for these stupid charges.

01:22:20.060 They keep my phone.

01:22:21.100 Yeah.

01:22:21.200 And I'm going to tell you why later.

01:22:22.740 Yeah.

01:22:23.760 So I'm in, I go, you know what?

01:22:26.020 I got to leave.

01:22:26.620 Let's go to Baltimore.

01:22:27.660 These guys can go ahead and meet me up in Baltimore and party on January 6th at night.

01:22:32.180 Or I'll meet them in Virginia.

01:22:34.240 So no big deal.

01:22:36.320 So I go to Baltimore.

01:22:38.020 I stay overnight.

01:22:39.140 I don't have a phone.

01:22:40.640 I have no way of communicating with them.

01:22:43.040 Right.

01:22:43.700 Because I don't care to communicate with them.

01:22:46.540 They're going to go have fun at the Trump speech.

01:22:48.460 I'm going to take a very nice day to relax that I didn't have any during that election season because we're flying all over the place.

01:22:56.880 Um, so I was actually going to enjoy the day and I did, you know, I woke up in the morning.

01:23:01.400 I skateboarded to, to, uh, the corner store.

01:23:04.120 I got some breakfast.

01:23:05.220 I, I'm like, well, I need a phone.

01:23:07.100 I skateboarded to Walgreens.

01:23:08.580 I got a phone.

01:23:09.580 I didn't activate it.

01:23:10.540 I got on wifi.

01:23:11.500 But by the time I come back, guess what happened?

01:23:14.860 The Capitol was breached.

01:23:16.200 Uh, so I find out this is January six.

01:23:19.500 Now I probably found out later than you did.

01:23:21.560 Yeah.

01:23:22.040 Right.

01:23:22.400 Cause I, I, I have no communication.

01:23:24.760 I get, I finally get to the hotel room.

01:23:26.440 I turn on the TV.

01:23:27.100 I'm like, what's this?

01:23:28.860 So I'm watching this on TV.

01:23:30.360 I celebrated what happened on my social media platforms.

01:23:34.140 Like most of America did.

01:23:36.060 Right.

01:23:36.540 I'm guilty of that.

01:23:37.420 If that's a crime, I'm guilty of that.

01:23:39.360 And, um, you know, at night I was kind of like, well, fuck, I'm happy.

01:23:43.400 I wasn't there because then you know what?

01:23:46.200 They'd arrest me for the charge of trespassing.

01:23:50.620 Yeah.

01:23:50.960 Right.

01:23:51.180 Cause that's like, that's the thing that I thought was the highest thing that was going

01:23:54.240 to happen.

01:23:54.800 You get arrested for fucking trespassing.

01:23:56.640 $50 citation.

01:23:57.320 So these guys start getting picked up, right?

01:23:59.980 On February 12th, the FBI has a press conference.

01:24:04.440 This isn't a fucking conspiracy theory.

01:24:06.240 You guys can look it up right on YouTube right now.

01:24:08.860 February 12th, January 6th, FBI press conference.

01:24:12.000 Okay.

01:24:12.640 So they said, they were asked the question, what was it?

01:24:16.200 That you did to prevent January 6th.

01:24:18.080 And the first thing that they said is we arrested Enrique Tarrio on January 4th, right?

01:24:25.200 They didn't arrest me.

01:24:26.440 It was metropolitan police department.

01:24:27.800 Yeah.

01:24:28.260 Yeah.

01:24:28.460 They ordered the metropolitan police department to arrest me for the misdemeanor.

01:24:33.660 So they could keep me out of the loop in January 6th.

01:24:36.880 I'm going to tell you this right now.

01:24:38.360 If I was on the ground on January 6th, we wouldn't have gone into the Capitol.

01:24:42.520 Not cause I'm smarter than anybody or anything.

01:24:44.560 I had speaking engagements on the opposite side of the Capitol over there by the Washington

01:24:49.660 monument.

01:24:49.980 So we wouldn't have even been close, right?

01:24:54.640 Obviously, since I wasn't there, you know, there was nothing to do.

01:24:57.700 And these guys wanted to go see the Capitol.

01:24:59.640 And that was where the rally was supposed to be.

01:25:02.180 The president said it.

01:25:03.280 We're going to rally in front of the Capitol.

01:25:05.320 Right.

01:25:05.780 And that's, you know, it was supposed to be a regular rally.

01:25:08.680 I think it was a riot gone wrong, like a protest gone wrong, you know, and I said it that same

01:25:16.040 day, you know, if, if you trespassed, you know, you're going to get fucked.

01:25:19.960 You're going to get trespassing charged.

01:25:21.260 If you put your hands on a cop, you're fucked.

01:25:23.480 You're going to get charged with, but that's not what happened in these cases.

01:25:26.360 They're doing the 1512.

01:25:28.100 They use the 1512, which is a 20 year felony, by the way.

01:25:31.240 Yeah.

01:25:31.480 It's not just like a regular charge.

01:25:33.180 Yeah.

01:25:33.540 Financial charge.

01:25:34.340 That's 20 year felony.

01:25:35.700 Right.

01:25:36.300 So this is what they made off.

01:25:37.600 Did they use that against Bernie Madoff?

01:25:39.240 I don't know.

01:25:41.100 It's possible.

01:25:41.880 Very possible, though.

01:25:42.900 A lot of people get hit with that.

01:25:44.040 And here's another thing that people don't understand, too, is the enhancements that they

01:25:47.400 went wild.

01:25:47.960 Oh, yeah.

01:25:48.520 I'm glad you brought that up.

01:25:49.800 We got a terrorism enhancement for touching a fence.

01:25:52.720 For touching a fence.

01:25:54.160 Wow.

01:25:54.720 So they increased us from, I think it was like 14 years to 33.

01:25:58.140 You go from Category 1 all the way to Category 6 and all the way down.

01:26:01.960 They were trying to give us life.

01:26:03.240 This doesn't even seem like America, what they did to you guys.

01:26:05.500 It wasn't.

01:26:06.320 It's not America.

01:26:06.840 It doesn't seem like America.

01:26:07.340 No.

01:26:07.740 It's not America.

01:26:08.660 Yeah.

01:26:09.060 That's not what this is.

01:26:10.780 It's not.

01:26:11.380 Like, I'm Cuban.

01:26:12.300 My family came from Cuba.

01:26:13.820 They literally left the island because one of my family members, right, at the order of

01:26:20.900 Che Guevara wanted him to give up his piece of property so they could use it as a forward

01:26:25.240 operating base.

01:26:26.040 And when my family member said no, Che Guevara gave the order to put all the males, all the adult males that lived in the house, on their knees, tied their hands behind their back and shot them in the back of the head.

01:26:38.700 That's what these people want to do to us.

01:26:42.040 They can't do it because it's too much, right?

01:26:45.120 So the next step is just lock them in a cage, throw away the key.

01:26:49.380 22 years is a fucking life sentence.

01:26:51.180 Yeah, pretty much.

01:26:52.380 So, okay.

01:26:53.780 So the FBI does this press conference.

01:26:55.520 You're there watching it.

01:26:56.520 I'm watching it.

01:26:57.120 So you must have been like, oh, shit.

01:26:59.680 So they arrested you basically on a misdemeanor charge as a guise to get access to your phone and keep you away from D.C.

01:27:07.480 Gotcha.

01:27:08.140 So then about a year later, right, they went to the grand jury multiple times and they couldn't get an indictment.

01:27:15.400 And, you know, the saying goes they could indict a ham sandwich.

01:27:18.220 Of course.

01:27:18.380 Yeah.

01:27:18.760 So they couldn't get an indictment.

01:27:20.200 So they finally unlocked my phone.

01:27:22.860 They sent it to Israel to this company called Celebrite.

01:27:26.160 Yes.

01:27:26.440 So they unlocked the phone.

01:27:30.160 It was an iPhone or?

01:27:31.140 It was an iPhone.

01:27:31.820 Yeah.

01:27:32.000 That's why it took so long.

01:27:32.940 Yeah, yeah.

01:27:33.300 They're good.

01:27:33.780 So they went ahead and they found this document on my phone.

01:27:38.240 You're not under arrest at this point, right?

01:27:39.700 No, no, no, no.

01:27:41.200 I'm just talking about their process to get that.

01:27:43.060 Yeah, this is what they did.

01:27:43.880 But you hadn't been arrested yet.

01:27:45.360 No, no, no.

01:27:46.140 I didn't get arrested a year and two months later on March 8th of 2022.

01:27:51.060 Okay.

01:27:51.600 But meanwhile, all your buddies, the Proud Boys.

01:27:53.580 Everybody's there.

01:27:54.140 I'm like fucking putting rallies together.

01:27:56.920 I'm fucking doing fucking t-shirts.

01:27:58.700 Yeah.

01:27:58.820 I'm doing their fundraisers.

01:28:00.260 I'm doing all that shit.

01:28:01.240 How many guys have been arrested at this point when you were the last one they got probably,

01:28:05.060 right?

01:28:05.260 No, no.

01:28:05.720 There was more people after me, but I was one of the late comers.

01:28:08.660 Okay.

01:28:09.100 Right.

01:28:09.300 So, sorry, you were saying about the phone.

01:28:10.680 So, the document that they find is called, it's a document called 1776 Returns, and it's

01:28:16.740 actually a very interesting document.

01:28:19.600 The actual document is not like, it's not bad or anything.

01:28:22.260 It's like how to stage a sit-in at a government building, right?

01:28:26.120 Yeah.

01:28:27.020 Terrorism.

01:28:27.880 Yeah.

01:28:28.360 Terrorism.

01:28:30.480 So, by that alone, I should have been exonerated, because there's no fucking way in the world

01:28:35.560 if I tell this man right here, if you look at his size, if I tell that man right here,

01:28:40.500 and there's a whole bunch of them bigger than him in the group, and I tell them that we're

01:28:46.120 going to go into a building, and we're going to stage a sit-in, and we're going to lock

01:28:48.540 arms, and we're going to wait to cops pull this out.

01:28:49.860 Well, that's a form of peaceful protest, though.

01:28:51.380 They would kick me out.

01:28:52.900 Yeah.

01:28:53.200 And that is a form of peaceful protest, but you're not going to find a bunch of proud

01:28:56.320 boys doing that cringe-ass shit.

01:28:57.780 Yeah.

01:28:58.000 It's just not how it is.

01:28:58.800 Yeah.

01:28:59.380 Yeah.

01:28:59.480 So, they present this to the jury, the grand jury.

01:29:03.740 They're like, look, look what we found on this phone.

01:29:05.320 Okay.

01:29:05.520 It's what they used to get you indicted.

01:29:07.240 Okay.

01:29:07.340 Right?

01:29:09.000 The funny part is, they knew a very important detail about that document that they did not disclose that

01:29:14.840 to the jury.

01:29:15.500 That document was never opened by me.

01:29:18.300 It was sent to me on Telegram, which at the very time, at the very moment that my phone

01:29:22.940 was frozen in time, which was January 4th, I had 1.2 million unread messages on my Telegram

01:29:29.240 alone.

01:29:30.220 So, it was sent to my Telegram.

01:29:31.880 I never opened it.

01:29:32.940 Wow.

01:29:33.140 Never saw it.

01:29:33.780 They knew that.

01:29:34.640 They actually testified.

01:29:36.080 The forensics expert for the FBI testified to that.

01:29:39.280 So, already the grand jury indictment was picked up illegally.

01:29:45.920 Yeah.

01:29:46.420 And just so the audience understands, guys, with the grand jury, it's just them presenting

01:29:51.100 their case for probable cause.

01:29:52.560 There's no defense.

01:29:53.160 There's no defense at all.

01:29:54.340 It's the agent in the AUSA, and they're talking to a grand jury.

01:29:56.640 We want probable cause.

01:29:57.780 This we found.

01:29:58.700 It's not a real jury.

01:29:59.940 And the defense can't do anything.

01:30:01.960 Like, this is how they get charged.

01:30:03.720 So, they use that as evidence to indict you.

01:30:06.340 Yes.

01:30:07.020 They use that.

01:30:07.800 That's the only piece of evidence that they used to indict me.

01:30:10.360 Oh, really?

01:30:11.060 That is the only piece of evidence that they used to indict me.

01:30:13.280 Other than that, there was nothing.

01:30:14.860 Fuck.

01:30:15.200 They couldn't find a single fucking piece of evidence.

01:30:19.000 And the agent testified at grand jury that you didn't open it, and they still gave a true

01:30:21.740 bill of indictment?

01:30:22.120 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:30:23.220 They didn't tell the grand jury that.

01:30:24.880 Of course.

01:30:25.240 Whether I...

01:30:25.880 That's at your trial.

01:30:26.900 This was on his phone.

01:30:28.280 Yeah.

01:30:28.520 This document was on his phone.

01:30:29.960 So, you have to indict this person.

01:30:33.780 And they did.

01:30:34.020 Okay.

01:30:34.520 So, at trial is when that agent finally came out and said he never opened it.

01:30:38.160 He never opened it.

01:30:39.140 Their forensics expert said.

01:30:40.820 So, like, already, like, you're already arresting me on their false pretenses.

01:30:44.280 Wow.

01:30:44.460 And then before trial, they went ahead and they gave me a sweetheart deal.

01:30:48.260 They offered me a sweetheart deal, too.

01:30:49.880 Okay.

01:30:50.080 What did they offer you?

01:30:50.640 They offered me if I turned on the...

01:30:54.260 Well, wait.

01:30:54.780 Before I tell you that.

01:30:56.220 They offered me that they would set me up for bail.

01:31:00.260 The following week.

01:31:01.360 Because it has to go through the judge.

01:31:02.580 And the judge has to approve it.

01:31:03.660 In this case, the judge would have approved it.

01:31:05.600 And I would be released because I was in custody already.

01:31:08.680 At that point, I think I was in custody for about, like, a year and a half.

01:31:11.760 I would be released the following week.

01:31:14.020 And I wouldn't do a single day in prison anymore.

01:31:16.560 And all I had to do, and they slid the paper over, all you have to do is confirm that this

01:31:23.800 is the story that happened.

01:31:25.480 Not asking for the truth.

01:31:27.640 Not, hey, tell me what happened and we might lessen your time or whatever.

01:31:30.660 No.

01:31:31.880 Verify what?

01:31:32.560 Verify that this happened.

01:31:36.220 Testify against the president of the United...

01:31:38.800 The 45th president of the United States and the next president of this country.

01:31:42.600 And you won't have to do a day in jail.

01:31:44.420 You can go out next week and you can be with your family and everything will be over.

01:31:50.680 Everything's peachy.

01:31:51.160 Let me make sure I have this right.

01:31:52.060 So they gave you...

01:31:53.420 The plea agreement basically was confirm the statement of facts, right, that they presented.

01:31:58.180 Yes.

01:31:58.780 And then be a government witness against Donald Trump.

01:32:01.200 Let me guess.

01:32:01.700 An insurrection case, Jack Smith?

01:32:03.120 An insurrection case, yes.

01:32:05.180 Now, at this point, because if I'm not mistaken, that insurrection case by Jack Smith was the

01:32:09.580 last indictment.

01:32:10.700 Had they indicted Trump for that yet?

01:32:12.080 They hadn't indicted Trump for that yet.

01:32:13.700 So it wasn't Jack Smith's team.

01:32:15.840 It was another team of attorneys that was also present, right?

01:32:20.900 AUSA's present.

01:32:21.740 So let me get...

01:32:22.740 So let me...

01:32:23.240 You were probably one...

01:32:23.900 So then that deal that they gave you, you were probably one of the first people in America

01:32:27.880 to know that they were going to indict the president on January 6th.

01:32:31.140 I pretty much after that encounter, I knew that it was inevitable.

01:32:36.200 Gotcha.

01:32:36.700 Right?

01:32:37.640 Wow.

01:32:38.120 I knew it was inevitable.

01:32:39.700 So I told them to fuck...

01:32:42.300 Go fuck themselves.

01:32:43.400 I told them to kick rocks.

01:32:44.740 And because of that...

01:32:46.160 Yeah.

01:32:47.280 ...is why I got 22 years.

01:32:48.920 Wow.

01:32:49.320 Yeah, you really undermined their case against Trump.

01:32:52.180 Yeah.

01:32:52.460 Big time.

01:32:52.940 Yeah, I mean, because if you read the indictment...

01:32:56.480 That's awesome, though.

01:32:57.360 If you read the Jack Smith indictment, right?

01:32:59.480 If you read the Jack Smith indictment...

01:33:01.000 I read it.

01:33:01.320 It was the front of the United States government.

01:33:02.820 Yeah.

01:33:03.080 They technically didn't...

01:33:04.680 They weren't...

01:33:05.320 They didn't indict him for January 6th.

01:33:07.220 Yeah.

01:33:07.540 Right?

01:33:07.920 What they indicted him for was documents.

01:33:10.100 That's why they used the 1512.

01:33:11.340 Yeah.

01:33:11.400 Yeah.

01:33:11.960 Altering documents.

01:33:12.940 Everything leading up from the election all the way to January 6th.

01:33:15.820 So it wasn't about what the insurrection, right?

01:33:20.320 It was about the documents.

01:33:22.160 Because they wanted a nice and tidy indictment for a sitting president, which it was sloppy as

01:33:27.300 shit.

01:33:27.580 But anyways, but it's better than saying, well, he caused the insurrection and he's responsible

01:33:32.660 because that's a bridge too far.

01:33:35.400 They actually had to try to make it believable and it wasn't believable at all.

01:33:38.860 But if I would have turned on the president, right, I'd be home free.

01:33:43.180 Wow.

01:33:43.340 And Kamala Harris would probably...

01:33:44.820 We were the bridge that they needed, I think, to prove...

01:33:47.680 So did you also get this plea deal as well?

01:33:50.600 No.

01:33:50.840 Like I said, no interaction, no questions, nothing.

01:33:54.940 So after the day you got arrested, they didn't even Mirandise you.

01:33:57.400 They didn't ask you any questions?

01:33:58.340 Yeah, they came to the number one.

01:34:00.980 Because in my head, I'm thinking like you're a higher up guy.

01:34:04.880 Like no one tried to interview you at all?

01:34:06.500 None of them?

01:34:06.900 They just took you right to jail?

01:34:08.140 Yep.

01:34:08.320 They took me right to jail and I found out what my charges were and I was super surprised

01:34:13.280 about that.

01:34:14.180 You know what that tells me?

01:34:16.100 That tells me it was probably hostage rescue team that went to go, just from like you're

01:34:20.900 saying the way they did it, one of their special response teams went to go arrest

01:34:23.900 you and then the case agent wasn't there on site.

01:34:26.020 That's why they didn't ask you questions.

01:34:27.740 Maybe.

01:34:28.080 I don't know.

01:34:28.320 That's the only thing I...

01:34:29.140 Because in my head, I'm like, wait, why would it...

01:34:30.640 Because you're...

01:34:31.080 According to them in the indictment, you'd be the number...

01:34:33.200 Well, you're number one in the indictment.

01:34:34.600 Yeah.

01:34:34.620 At the time, yeah.

01:34:35.080 I'm shocked no one would try to ask you questions.

01:34:36.840 Oh, I'm going to edit this.

01:34:37.300 Yeah, I think what it was is because I had so...

01:34:39.940 I mean, like I'm kind of a ghost on the telegram.

01:34:42.860 There's really no evidence against me at all.

01:34:46.060 I went in through the entrance where police officers opened the door.

01:34:48.720 Gotcha.

01:34:49.020 So I'm like, actually, like I would argue that my case, aside from his, because he wasn't

01:34:53.500 there, is probably one of the best presentable because it's so extreme.

01:34:57.420 Yeah.

01:34:57.740 That's what I was charged with and I did so little.

01:35:00.340 Yeah.

01:35:01.340 You know, and so I think that they just wanted to bury me and keep me quiet and they didn't

01:35:05.220 want us collaborating together.

01:35:06.580 Of course.

01:35:07.120 So they just, you know...

01:35:08.820 So, okay.

01:35:09.780 So they give you this sweetheart deal and you said like 23, 24?

01:35:13.280 22 years.

01:35:14.520 No, I mean like in the year 20...

01:35:15.840 Oh, the year, I believe it was at the end of...

01:35:18.320 23?

01:35:19.080 23 or 20...

01:35:20.120 No, 22 at the end of 22.

01:35:21.520 That makes sense.

01:35:22.040 That was before Jack Smith was appointed.

01:35:24.520 They were already looking...

01:35:25.560 They were already looking in that direction.

01:35:27.840 Okay.

01:35:28.040 But we all knew that.

01:35:29.120 If you jump back on a time machine, everybody was saying, you know, the DOJ is attempting to...

01:35:34.140 Yeah.

01:35:34.500 Had they raided Mar-a-Lago yet at this point?

01:35:36.440 No, they hadn't raided Mar-a-Lago.

01:35:37.440 Okay.

01:35:37.700 This is before everything.

01:35:38.700 This is before everything.

01:35:40.020 Okay.

01:35:40.960 Okay.

01:35:41.440 So this...

01:35:41.760 All right.

01:35:42.220 This makes sense then.

01:35:42.960 So they...

01:35:43.340 Because they raided Mar-a-Lago, if I'm not mistaken, summer of 22.

01:35:46.360 Sounds about right.

01:35:47.060 Right?

01:35:47.500 Summer of 23...

01:35:49.460 Three, maybe?

01:35:50.140 No.

01:35:50.600 22?

01:35:50.940 No, 22.

01:35:51.600 I think it was 22.

01:35:52.140 Summer of 22.

01:35:53.000 Summer of 22, they raided Mar-a-Lago.

01:35:54.380 We had just finished trial.

01:35:55.740 We were in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania.

01:35:57.400 Mo, can you fact-check it for me?

01:35:58.820 Just...

01:35:59.100 I think it's August of 22.

01:36:00.320 And then I remember they raided the house and then a couple months later, then they indicted

01:36:03.780 him for the fraud document case...

01:36:04.980 The document case.

01:36:05.900 Yes.

01:36:06.220 Right.

01:36:06.380 And then he had already been under charges for New York for the false document case.

01:36:10.240 Yes.

01:36:10.740 So first New York indicted him.

01:36:12.320 I think the first thing was Mar-a-Lago.

01:36:15.900 Yeah.

01:36:16.180 And then the first indictment...

01:36:17.880 The state...

01:36:18.240 I remember this.

01:36:18.800 Alvin Bragg, you know, but who cares?

01:36:21.320 That was a bullshit case.

01:36:22.020 So they indicted him out of the state of New York.

01:36:24.040 Then the Mar-a-Lago raid.

01:36:25.540 Then the document case, the classified document case.

01:36:28.900 No.

01:36:29.300 That makes sense now.

01:36:30.380 So they had this all ready to go from the beginning.

01:36:33.700 Of course.

01:36:34.380 The raids...

01:36:35.540 Because the fact that they went to you saying, hey, we want you to testify against him for

01:36:38.840 the insurrection case.

01:36:40.220 Yes.

01:36:40.460 Wow.

01:36:41.460 Well, can you think about this for a second?

01:36:42.980 That's wild.

01:36:43.320 If Enrique had signed that piece of paper and testified against Trump, that would have completely

01:36:48.160 changed the entire narrative.

01:36:49.680 Yeah.

01:36:50.140 And it wasn't...

01:36:50.740 I mean, this was like a really heroic act.

01:36:52.600 I think people...

01:36:53.220 Yeah.

01:36:53.240 Yeah.

01:36:53.520 That's huge.

01:36:54.120 People need to know about this.

01:36:55.780 Like, this is...

01:36:56.340 I'm glad that we're breaking it here.

01:36:57.580 I also want to be clear, like, the entire...

01:37:01.180 And obviously I said it, but I want to be clear about it.

01:37:03.600 The entire narrative of the story...

01:37:05.400 August 8th, 2022 was when they raid them all right.

01:37:07.000 August 8th.

01:37:07.580 Yep.

01:37:07.820 You're right.

01:37:09.360 The entire story that they made up was something out of a fucking, like, space fiction.

01:37:14.580 That's how outrageous it was.

01:37:16.980 Right?

01:37:18.520 So...

01:37:19.280 I don't want to give them too much credit, though.

01:37:21.780 I mean, like, they did a great job, but we wore them the hell out.

01:37:25.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:25.360 We wore them down.

01:37:25.980 I mean, they did throw us under the bus, but we can...

01:37:28.580 I mean, we just...

01:37:29.820 We tested them every single...

01:37:31.500 Just ask the marshals.

01:37:32.760 If we could get a marshal on here to just explain the wear and tear that we put on them.

01:37:37.380 I got a marshal we could bring on here.

01:37:39.100 I doubt...

01:37:39.740 No.

01:37:40.080 He'll never show.

01:37:40.880 Some of the stories show.

01:37:41.800 I mean, this guy is...

01:37:43.400 We...

01:37:43.760 Each individual marshal, by the end...

01:37:45.520 Their spirit had to be just...

01:37:47.020 Did we not have a lot of...

01:37:48.180 Like...

01:37:48.660 Didn't we have a lot of fun?

01:37:50.420 We had a lot of fun.

01:37:51.960 I mean, every time getting your chains on, chains off, you know.

01:37:55.780 There was piss breaks.

01:37:56.800 We were together for a long time.

01:37:58.440 All five of us.

01:37:59.200 All the five brothers, co-defendants.

01:38:01.900 I hate...

01:38:02.340 I'm, like, institutionalized, so I want to say co-defendants.

01:38:04.700 Yeah.

01:38:05.740 But all five of us were together the entire ride.

01:38:09.540 But you know what was the funnest part, though, is after trial...

01:38:13.060 We went to Lewisburg for a little bit, but getting to the D.C. gulag.

01:38:16.120 Oh, that was fun.

01:38:17.020 That was probably my funnest time.

01:38:18.480 I didn't go in there, but I met guys at Fort Dix who had spent some time there.

01:38:22.280 Oh, man.

01:38:22.700 It was terrible.

01:38:23.240 It was great.

01:38:24.040 We had our own block.

01:38:25.580 The great part about it was, like...

01:38:27.420 Yeah, because you guys all got hit with a sedition, so they put y'all together.

01:38:29.240 Yeah, so it was cool to be with all the cast.

01:38:31.440 It was five guys that got hit with a sedition?

01:38:34.020 It was five of us.

01:38:35.240 And then I think another seven for the Oath Keepers, which is another group.

01:38:39.620 Yeah.

01:38:40.720 So...

01:38:41.080 But when we're in there, it's a whole block, so, like...

01:38:44.340 It's like 30 years.

01:38:45.600 We ran that shit.

01:38:45.620 We ran that shit, dude.

01:38:47.120 What is the Proud Boys' relationship with the Oath Keepers and 3%ers?

01:38:50.160 So, to tell you, my relationship with the leader of the Oath Keepers is Stuart Rhodes.

01:38:57.600 Before January 6th, me and Stuart Rhodes did not get along at all.

01:39:01.000 To the point where, like, at my local chapter, because although I was the chairman of the

01:39:05.880 Proud Boys, I didn't have executive privilege over the guys.

01:39:08.520 But my local chapter, we cut off any recruiting from the Oath Keepers.

01:39:15.020 We wanted no recruiting.

01:39:16.800 And it was just, like, on a personal level, personal differences between me and Stuart.

01:39:20.620 After January 6th, that's my brother.

01:39:24.560 We went through hell together.

01:39:27.260 I actually was with Stuart now in D.C.

01:39:30.820 They're two very different groups, right?

01:39:33.580 So, they're more of, like, an organization slash militia where the Proud Boys is more...

01:39:40.680 People think that we're, like, a political movement and we're not.

01:39:42.740 We're more like a cultural movement, right?

01:39:44.520 Like, we espouse these views that are just, like, these pro-America, first amendment, second

01:39:53.340 amendment, pro-family, those views.

01:39:57.960 So, it's more of a cultural movement than it is political.

01:40:00.420 Gotcha.

01:40:00.700 Like, automatically, people are like, oh, well, they're a bunch of, like, Republicans and

01:40:05.200 stuff like that.

01:40:05.640 No, we got...

01:40:06.360 There's a wide array of views within the Proud Boys.

01:40:10.000 Yeah.

01:40:10.100 It's all...

01:40:10.920 The only goal for us is to make better men.

01:40:13.240 And then it all starts locally.

01:40:14.960 You know, it all starts locally for me.

01:40:16.540 It starts locally...

01:40:17.380 And also for him, it starts locally here in Miami.

01:40:20.260 My Villain City chapter is my everything.

01:40:22.560 You know?

01:40:23.100 His Vice City chapter here in Miami is his everything.

01:40:26.540 You know?

01:40:27.040 So, that's how we make better men.

01:40:30.160 I mean, you start at home.

01:40:30.940 Of course.

01:40:31.560 It's like a fraternity of sorts, right?

01:40:33.320 Yeah.

01:40:34.200 So, you guys go to trial together.

01:40:36.080 Yes.

01:40:36.200 They have you guys all...

01:40:37.320 All those co-defendants.

01:40:38.480 What was that like, man?

01:40:39.340 Because no one ever really goes up...

01:40:40.620 I'm shocked that all of you guys went to trial.

01:40:42.720 Most people don't do it.

01:40:43.700 You know what I mean?

01:40:44.100 Because, obviously, you're looking at a lot of time.

01:40:45.740 You had the sweetheart deal.

01:40:46.800 You turn it down.

01:40:47.660 You don't want to testify against Donald Trump, which is obviously very admirable.

01:40:51.140 Most people would have taken that deal in a second to be out of jail in a week.

01:40:54.100 Like, so, take me through that, go on a trial, man.

01:40:57.520 That must have been nerve-wracking.

01:40:59.940 And you guys are held in jail the entire time.

01:41:01.900 No bond, no bail, nothing.

01:41:03.780 It's...

01:41:04.140 You know what?

01:41:04.700 Like, I can't...

01:41:05.800 It's not a one or zero thing.

01:41:07.500 It was a rollercoaster of emotions.

01:41:09.020 Like, some days were great.

01:41:10.840 You know?

01:41:11.080 Some days we thought we were going to win.

01:41:12.740 We were on top of the world.

01:41:14.580 You know, other days it's like, we have no fucking chance.

01:41:17.480 We're going to be in prison the rest of our lives.

01:41:20.000 But I can't say that...

01:41:24.040 It would have been really tough for me to do this alone.

01:41:26.700 Yeah.

01:41:26.940 And doing it with my four brothers and my family's support and their family's support,

01:41:32.680 like, we knew we had a team.

01:41:34.340 Like, we literally built, like, the Avengers, right?

01:41:37.180 And we put it together, and that's what got us through this whole thing.

01:41:40.660 And I'm sure they tried to get you to testify against other guys and their fat boys,

01:41:44.100 or they tried to turn you...

01:41:45.200 No, they didn't care.

01:41:46.060 They only cared about...

01:41:47.100 With me, they don't care about none of that shit.

01:41:49.240 They cared about Trump.

01:41:50.180 That's it.

01:41:50.440 Wow.

01:41:51.120 Okay.

01:41:51.380 That's all they cared about.

01:41:52.680 Yeah.

01:41:52.920 Because they didn't have...

01:41:54.260 They didn't have an in to get Trump for the events of January 6th,

01:41:59.660 like what happened at the Capitol that day.

01:42:01.260 They didn't have an in.

01:42:02.560 With me, they created an in.

01:42:05.380 Yeah.

01:42:05.840 They swerved it.

01:42:07.820 They lied.

01:42:08.540 And they're like, this is a story.

01:42:09.780 Yeah.

01:42:10.000 So they gave you...

01:42:10.960 In that statement of facts, what did they want you to say?

01:42:13.100 Like, that Donald Trump put you up to it and...

01:42:14.920 It has a protective order, and I'm hoping it gets lifted, I think, next week,

01:42:19.080 and I'll be able to say exactly what happened, but...

01:42:21.560 You can come back after that, right?

01:42:22.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:42:22.780 I'd love for the American public to see what they tried to do.

01:42:28.340 Because just so the audience knows, right?

01:42:30.060 They always give you...

01:42:31.080 When you plead guilty, right?

01:42:32.500 They tell you to plead guilty, and then they give you a statement of fact, right?

01:42:37.480 Like, this is what you're pleading guilty to.

01:42:38.740 So the fact that they wanted you to plead guilty to that, and I'm sure that statement

01:42:42.560 of fact would have been something where...

01:42:44.660 I'm assuming here.

01:42:45.760 I don't know what it is, but I'm just going to speculate.

01:42:48.100 That statement of fact probably has something along the lines of, Donald Trump put you up

01:42:51.300 to do this, blah, blah, blah, so they can use that against him in the indictment, and

01:42:56.240 then they would have a witness against him.

01:42:57.700 I can't confirm or deny.

01:42:58.980 Fair enough.

01:42:59.660 You need to confirm or deny.

01:43:00.560 Fair enough.

01:43:00.860 But the fact that the U.S. government did that is absolutely crazy, and the fact that

01:43:04.240 they planned this out so long since 22 is wild.

01:43:07.240 If this man didn't have morals, Donald Trump's not president.

01:43:10.820 Yeah.

01:43:11.120 That's what I'm getting out of it.

01:43:12.200 That's what I'm getting out of it, too.

01:43:13.060 What they did to us, and we had a lot of time to think, what they did to us, they didn't

01:43:22.600 learn how to do it.

01:43:24.060 It's not like they're like, hey, let's figure out how to indict these people.

01:43:27.940 This is something that they've learned how to do over the years.

01:43:31.840 I pressed it in a case.

01:43:33.020 They do it with, and you're familiar, obviously you said conspiracy, like drug conspiracies,

01:43:38.660 ghost dope.

01:43:39.600 Dope that doesn't even exist.

01:43:41.180 Like, if I call somebody and I'm like, yeah, hey, you know what?

01:43:44.120 Let me get two million kilos.

01:43:45.900 I know that's impossible, but they'll fucking hit you with two million kilos.

01:43:50.000 You know?

01:43:50.560 The dope never has to exist.

01:43:52.160 The money never has to exchange hands.

01:43:54.220 The call could be made, and you jump in the car, you turn the key, and that is the action

01:43:58.340 towards the conspiracy.

01:44:00.860 The overt act.

01:44:01.420 Yep.

01:44:01.480 So that, this isn't a new thing, and we've seen this not just on like drug cases, things

01:44:08.660 like that.

01:44:09.080 We've seen this with political movements before.

01:44:11.860 Movements that I don't agree with, you know?

01:44:14.260 We've seen this with left-wing groups.

01:44:15.600 We've seen it with right-wing groups.

01:44:17.420 So, with us, it wasn't like they invented a new way.

01:44:23.020 That's what I'm saying.

01:44:23.720 I think for, it was, it was very educational for me, I know for everybody else, two of

01:44:28.980 those involved, to go and speak to just regular inmates about like what he just mentioned,

01:44:34.560 ghost guns.

01:44:36.240 A lot of people are in for decades and decades, sometimes life, for, you know, the probable

01:44:42.840 cause, what he was talking about earlier with the grand jury, and also reasonable doubt,

01:44:47.600 I think are two things that people really need to start honing in on and focusing on.

01:44:51.080 And I think with, hopefully with this new administration, we can start really honing in on that because

01:44:55.700 there's just too much gray area that they offer the jury to make these hardline decisions on,

01:45:00.440 oh, he's guilty.

01:45:01.540 However, I have a bias and I don't like these guys.

01:45:03.740 So, I'm going to do the community, you know, a service by putting them in prison, even though

01:45:08.600 there's no real evidence, I don't really like them.

01:45:11.700 I think reasonable doubt has to come into play as far as the judge and his, you know, being

01:45:17.620 an arbiter of truth in the law and ensuring that our rights are being, you know, represented

01:45:22.740 properly.

01:45:23.520 I think the reasonable doubt and probable cause has to play more of a standard in our law.

01:45:29.260 Yeah, this is scary.

01:45:30.400 What you guys are telling me right now is scary.

01:45:32.580 And everyone watching this should be scared out their freaking minds.

01:45:35.840 Yeah, the standard is that the standard has been set is...

01:45:38.040 You're an American citizen.

01:45:38.520 They can't do this to you.

01:45:39.800 Well, obviously they can't.

01:45:40.660 Well, five guilty, horrible rapist murderers need to be set free before one innocent man

01:45:46.700 is found guilty.

01:45:48.960 That's the standard, right?

01:45:51.000 And so we need to understand, like, well, that's crazy.

01:45:52.920 It's like, yeah, that's supposed to be crazy.

01:45:55.100 Like, you shouldn't just easily be able to send somebody to prison who's innocent.

01:45:58.720 It needs to be...

01:45:59.580 The standard is before we ever do that, we let five guilty men go free because that's

01:46:05.140 how serious this is.

01:46:06.360 We can't set a standard where this is something that can happen so easily.

01:46:10.200 Let me ask a question because these guys in chat are a little bit wild.

01:46:13.920 Oh, I know exactly.

01:46:15.800 They've been calling me a Mossad agent for years.

01:46:18.220 Oh, yeah.

01:46:18.540 They're calling you an informant.

01:46:19.940 Come on now.

01:46:21.160 No.

01:46:21.720 Let me just say that abundantly.

01:46:22.960 No.

01:46:23.240 Now, they're calling you an informant.

01:46:25.140 So let me tell you...

01:46:25.720 What do you have to say to people like that?

01:46:26.760 Let me tell you because I'm watching it scroll over there.

01:46:29.980 I was a DOD contractor for 12 years.

01:46:32.520 In 2013, I caught a case.

01:46:34.700 All right.

01:46:34.940 And I've been very clear about this even before any of this.

01:46:40.020 In 2013, yes, I cooperated with the federal government in a case, right?

01:46:45.320 What did they charge you with?

01:46:46.560 At that time, it was like rebranding and relaboring the diabetic test strips.

01:46:51.960 It was like...

01:46:52.540 Oh, shit.

01:46:53.100 What the hell?

01:46:53.420 Yeah, it's a weird...

01:46:54.700 Excuse me?

01:46:54.740 It's like this weird...

01:46:55.740 It's this weird trial.

01:46:57.580 Like just general fraud, I guess?

01:46:59.340 Yeah.

01:46:59.740 So there was this sex trafficking ring that was coming in from Mexico.

01:47:04.420 Okay.

01:47:05.120 And what they did is they operated different little businesses here in the city, right?

01:47:10.420 So we took that down, right?

01:47:14.300 And that's been the story, right, with some of these people.

01:47:19.480 So they call you for stopping a sex trafficking ring?

01:47:21.880 Yeah, exactly.

01:47:23.540 So, obviously, but there's always haters because I also see...

01:47:28.700 I've seen people talk about Gary, like, Drew Gary, Mossad.

01:47:33.860 I mean, I've seen it.

01:47:34.540 I'm calling you out.

01:47:35.620 If you're not doing something...

01:47:37.460 I believe in freedom of speech, so I let the chat go crazy.

01:47:39.540 Just let it go.

01:47:40.460 And that's where I'm at with it, you know?

01:47:42.900 F you too, chat.

01:47:43.960 And then, like, there's a lot of people too, like, and I want to be clear because I've also

01:47:47.780 seen that people are putting fake Proud Boy websites on there.

01:47:51.020 And we've had this recent problem with these Proud Boys.

01:47:55.120 When you're an organization that's lasted eight years, you tend to kick out a lot of guys.

01:48:00.080 And those guys have grievances for being kicked out, right?

01:48:03.040 When you kick out enough guys, they form a clique.

01:48:06.400 Of course.

01:48:06.680 And they want to be Proud Boys.

01:48:08.040 I get it.

01:48:08.640 I get it.

01:48:09.080 It's very flattering, but it's also dangerous too because there are those people that we've

01:48:15.860 kicked out because they are literal feds, right?

01:48:18.500 Because we got to see the list and things like that.

01:48:21.400 Oh, yeah, because you guys got discovery.

01:48:22.940 We got to get discovery.

01:48:24.220 Also, it's protective order, but, you know, we've kicked out a lot of people.

01:48:29.340 So what ends up happening is that they click up with these feds, right?

01:48:32.280 And then they show up.

01:48:33.240 I'm going to give you the prime example.

01:48:35.320 So before January 20th, before the inauguration, I told the Proud Boys, I go, please, guys,

01:48:43.020 do not go out in the streets.

01:48:44.400 Do not march in the streets, right?

01:48:47.080 Because you're risking, you know, us getting a pardon, right?

01:48:51.240 We don't want to make any noise right now.

01:48:53.720 There's no Antifa in the streets.

01:48:55.000 There's no BLM in the streets.

01:48:56.020 Why are you going to go in the streets?

01:48:56.960 So everybody's like, everybody contacted each other.

01:49:00.380 We're like, hey, don't worry about that shit.

01:49:01.780 We'll never show up.

01:49:02.640 Guess what happens on January 20th?

01:49:04.640 A group of people in black and yellow show up to D.C., right?

01:49:09.560 They start making fucking noise, and it's exactly what the organization didn't want, right?

01:49:14.880 These are people that aren't Proud Boys.

01:49:17.640 These are people that I've seen the video.

01:49:19.720 There's two federal informants inside the actual crowd.

01:49:22.560 And federal informants, not from, like, 2013, like my case was, from people that threw people January 6ers under the bus.

01:49:31.000 Gotcha.

01:49:31.440 Right?

01:49:31.880 And they're in this crowd.

01:49:34.160 Let it be known.

01:49:35.520 And let me be very clear.

01:49:37.100 If you see a group of Proud Boys, ask them what chapter they're in, right?

01:49:41.240 And if we have a website, and we've had a website since 2016, it's called ProudBoysUSA.com.

01:49:50.240 You go to where it says chapters, right?

01:49:52.720 And you go down that chapter list.

01:49:54.460 If those people that are in front of you aren't saying that they're part of the local chapter of where you're at, be very careful with them.

01:50:03.820 Be very careful with them because it might be Antifa, right?

01:50:06.880 It might be these BLM little thugs.

01:50:09.280 It might be feds.

01:50:10.380 It could be somebody else, but it's definitely not us.

01:50:13.040 Okay?

01:50:13.520 In the city of Miami, there's only two chapters.

01:50:16.500 In South Florida, there's only two chapters.

01:50:18.300 I saw what they said.

01:50:19.220 Villain City and Vice City, right?

01:50:20.700 South Florida, Proud Boys.

01:50:21.360 Yeah.

01:50:21.560 Villain City, which is my chapter.

01:50:22.980 Vice City, which is his chapter.

01:50:24.340 We have Broward, and we have West Palm Beach.

01:50:27.160 Yeah.

01:50:27.620 And here's the thing.

01:50:28.300 I'll speak to that, too.

01:50:29.360 Because it's a big problem that we have.

01:50:31.080 I'm sorry to confirm.

01:50:31.580 I'm sure.

01:50:31.880 Yeah.

01:50:32.300 I spent a lot of time with NBK.

01:50:33.500 I mean, this topic, you know, especially, like, if anybody knows prison politics, you

01:50:38.080 understand this topic is very difficult, especially if you're white.

01:50:41.120 White boy politics in prison is very, very fierce.

01:50:45.440 And so, you know, I've had to deal with this, like, the informant thing, like he's talked

01:50:50.140 about, on a personal level, as everybody else.

01:50:52.860 And some guys, you know, that's where they cut ties with Enrique, and that's totally fair.

01:50:56.400 But as an organization, this is something I got an 18-year sentence for, you know, and

01:51:01.380 I took it on the chin.

01:51:02.180 And before that, I was out on the streets, you know, fighting Antifa, protecting people,

01:51:07.060 and being called a terrorist and a Nazi for it.

01:51:09.960 I mean, the fact that you guys got so much time shows that you didn't talk.

01:51:13.640 Like, well, people are stupid.

01:51:15.180 Like, the fact that, like, even me, someone that used to do this job, like, you know,

01:51:18.620 not FBI, fuck them.

01:51:19.920 But, like, I know, I could tell when someone talked, if you're getting 22 years or 18 years,

01:51:25.200 dude, you didn't cooperate, clearly.

01:51:27.320 And you guys went to trial.

01:51:28.240 You went to trial.

01:51:29.360 If you go to trial, that means by definition you didn't cooperate.

01:51:31.380 And not only that, it comes out in trial.

01:51:34.020 Yeah.

01:51:34.320 Right?

01:51:34.680 Like, that's not a secret.

01:51:36.340 They wouldn't have put him in the same room as us if he was cooperating.

01:51:39.760 Yep.

01:51:40.540 And if you are cooperating, like, you know, we have an individual.

01:51:44.060 He has an interesting beard, one might say.

01:51:47.720 Yeah, we'll say that.

01:51:49.080 And then some of them.

01:51:51.160 He didn't spend a day in prison, from what I understand.

01:51:53.580 And he got pardoned, so.

01:51:54.740 And he testified against us for two weeks.

01:51:57.220 Why did you get a pardoned, Ethan?

01:51:59.000 Oh, well, I'll go into that.

01:52:00.460 My theory is, because Trump does everything.

01:52:02.740 You've got a commutation.

01:52:03.540 Basically, he can still fight the case.

01:52:06.920 Yeah.

01:52:07.520 Okay.

01:52:07.900 Well, my theory is, is because our case was so rich in Brady violations and constitutional

01:52:14.640 violations, that the Trump administration wants to keep our case open.

01:52:18.260 Because, like I said, if you get pardoned, your discovery gets sealed.

01:52:21.720 Right?

01:52:21.900 So, they pardoned him because he wasn't there, right?

01:52:24.660 Sorry.

01:52:25.360 And, but they didn't pardon the other proud boy.

01:52:29.400 Well, I think Dom's good, right?

01:52:31.500 Dom has not been pardoned yet.

01:52:32.960 So, it's me, Joe Biggs, and Zachary Real.

01:52:34.740 If the DOJ throws out their case, they won't need a fucking pardon.

01:52:37.720 Right.

01:52:37.920 And that's what we think is going to happen.

01:52:40.080 I think the case is just going to get thrown out like they never happened.

01:52:42.300 But we, the DOJ and the Trump administration still needs evidence to use during this investigation

01:52:47.900 against the DOJ, I believe.

01:52:49.300 And I think that stuff is coming.

01:52:50.660 That's coming.

01:52:51.120 Those investigations are coming.

01:52:52.140 So, you think they purposely kept, so some of you guys, they gave you guys commentations

01:52:56.260 to avoid the case not being able to have access to discovery for them, for their investigation.

01:53:01.240 Right.

01:53:01.860 Okay.

01:53:02.460 And a commentator, just so the audience understands, basically, time served, essentially, almost.

01:53:08.460 You still got a probation officer?

01:53:10.080 I did.

01:53:10.900 I did have probation, and it was so severe.

01:53:14.420 It was so strict.

01:53:15.500 I couldn't even have an Xbox.

01:53:16.900 I couldn't have any online presence.

01:53:19.080 I couldn't associate with Proud Boys.

01:53:20.920 I couldn't even listen or read news that it got to the point where it was like, I couldn't

01:53:25.900 even be in support of the Second Amendment because I was advocating for force against the government.

01:53:29.260 Wow.

01:53:30.020 And so, but in the same day, in the same day, I'm talking to my PO, and he's like, dude,

01:53:34.360 I don't know what the hell this is.

01:53:35.940 He even is confused, like, what is this?

01:53:37.080 He gets a call from his supervisor while I'm in there taking a piss test.

01:53:41.680 Yep.

01:53:42.140 And he's like, hang on, man.

01:53:44.520 You're good.

01:53:45.960 You're good.

01:53:46.560 I'm like, what do you mean I'm good?

01:53:47.920 Did I get pardoned?

01:53:48.660 He's like, no.

01:53:49.080 Well, you didn't get pardoned, but your probation is nil as of right now.

01:53:53.120 And so I'm like, okay.

01:53:54.320 And I just left.

01:53:55.200 I got my stuff out of Seattle and moved to freaking Miami because there was also rumor.

01:53:59.960 Because you couldn't leave.

01:54:00.620 You were probably on strict.

01:54:01.800 Yeah.

01:54:02.160 It was bad.

01:54:02.640 You couldn't carry a gun, like none of that stuff.

01:54:04.660 Did they restore your Second Amendment privilege?

01:54:06.480 No, no.

01:54:07.300 So I, yeah.

01:54:08.660 I mean, there's.

01:54:09.320 Look, I'm taking it one day at a time.

01:54:10.620 Yeah.

01:54:11.020 I think it's going to happen.

01:54:12.020 I think it's going to happen.

01:54:12.640 I'm not trying to press it.

01:54:14.100 Of course, I'd like for all this to get kicked out.

01:54:16.380 And I know Trump's working hard.

01:54:17.780 He's getting a lot done.

01:54:18.840 And I'm just, I'm going to be patient and wait on his timeline because I know he's doing everything

01:54:21.860 for a reason.

01:54:22.320 Okay.

01:54:22.800 Yeah.

01:54:23.080 Fair.

01:54:23.540 Yeah.

01:54:24.220 And, you know, I'm watching the chat and there's people calling you a Fed now.

01:54:28.360 Oh, yeah.

01:54:28.800 So, I mean, this, and it's crazy because some of those same people that are talking.

01:54:35.420 I got my indictment tattooed on me.

01:54:37.940 Yeah.

01:54:38.200 There you go.

01:54:38.740 Who else does that?

01:54:39.640 Yeah, man.

01:54:40.400 Like, I mean.

01:54:42.020 22 years, 18 years.

01:54:43.920 Dude, you don't get that if you cooperate, man.

01:54:45.300 If these people see in the streets, they're going to ask for pictures.

01:54:47.660 I promise you.

01:54:48.360 Oh, no.

01:54:48.760 Yeah, definitely.

01:54:49.460 Well, you probably don't want to run into me in the streets if you're calling me a Fed.

01:54:52.440 Some of those people have asked for pictures, but regardless of fact.

01:54:55.620 They're brave behind the chat because there's, like, no name, no picture.

01:54:59.420 One of them, I think, is, it says, like, Oaks Report or something.

01:55:02.060 He turned into a jailhouse snitch, right?

01:55:04.060 So, like, even if they didn't snitch outside, they snitched inside, right?

01:55:10.140 Gross.

01:55:10.620 So, like, this whole thing is, they're calling you a snitch now.

01:55:17.480 That feed is fucking going on.

01:55:19.240 But this, I mean, it's the internet and it's freedom of speech.

01:55:22.480 And I get it.

01:55:23.420 And I actually thank you for having, you know, showing what freedom of speech is.

01:55:29.060 Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah.

01:55:29.300 Because, look, when we had that press conference the other day, when these women were screaming at us, I was like, this is America.

01:55:36.100 Yep.

01:55:36.460 It actually makes for good content, for real.

01:55:39.240 You know, seeing the other side and being able to talk to them, it allows us to show how ridiculous the other side is.

01:55:45.100 Oh, yeah.

01:55:45.960 So, you know, I appreciate it.

01:55:47.880 And, guys, I like the video.

01:55:48.940 I'll read the chats after at the end here.

01:55:51.180 But, yeah, I like the video because I didn't want to interrupt the interview because, obviously, this is historic.

01:55:54.400 This is very important.

01:55:55.020 Sorry, Pat.

01:55:55.420 Go ahead.

01:55:55.840 No, I was just going to say that, I mean, the way that everything is going right now, like, they're in a death spiral.

01:56:01.500 The left is in a complete death spiral right now.

01:56:03.680 And they're just eating themselves.

01:56:05.000 They're becoming more and more.

01:56:06.140 Brian loses clearance.

01:56:07.300 Yeah.

01:56:07.480 Like, he loses, like, he can't even be read into anything going on with national security.

01:56:11.120 Of course.

01:56:11.660 Yeah.

01:56:12.020 So, I mean.

01:56:12.880 Hilarious.

01:56:13.220 I don't even want to stop him.

01:56:14.860 Like, just keep saying what you're saying.

01:56:16.800 Keep doing what you're doing because they're only alienating more people and they only give us more political capital to actually achieve the reforms in this country that we have to achieve.

01:56:25.980 Yeah.

01:56:26.520 Yeah.

01:56:26.980 Yeah.

01:56:27.640 No, man.

01:56:28.160 I mean, this is crazy.

01:56:31.100 I'm glad I was able to, like, talk to you guys and kind of, like, get your guys' take on what's going on here because this is a topic that, obviously, you know, a lot of people on the right are like, this is bullshit.

01:56:40.800 These guys are political prisoners.

01:56:41.660 Then you got people on the left that are like, these guys are insurrectionists.

01:56:43.980 They're, you know, committing treason against their country.

01:56:46.540 And I think, and I'm glad that we talked about the Mike Pence angle because that's something that a lot of Americans don't understand how Mike Pence, I would argue, is, like, one of the problems in this situation.

01:56:58.380 Okay.

01:56:58.480 He had an ability.

01:56:59.480 He had a duty to, you know, you don't have to stop what's going on, but at least, like, slow it down so that we can have a proper investigation because, dude, people weren't outraged for no reason.

01:57:09.480 I mean, when the majority of the country thinks that the election wasn't fair, come on, man.

01:57:15.400 I mean, the whole thing really is a big projection.

01:57:17.800 Like, they accuse us of overthrowing the U.S. government.

01:57:20.420 They overthrow the U.S. government.

01:57:22.080 And, you know, they accuse them of having a conspiracy.

01:57:24.960 They're the ones who had a conspiracy.

01:57:26.360 And all this stuff is going to get dug out over the coming months and years.

01:57:29.440 I have no doubt about that whatsoever.

01:57:31.180 Yeah.

01:57:32.340 You know, and I'm hoping, you know, Cash Patel and Bongino, right, the one and two over at the FBI, they help that agency because, obviously, you know, we call them famous but incompetent for a reason.

01:57:41.900 And they've done a lot of stupid shit.

01:57:43.100 And the fact that they expended almost 50 percent of the workforce to go after guys from the January 6th event when there's terrorists, organized crime, sex trafficking, drugs, et cetera, you know, what an agency to fall from grace, man.

01:57:56.180 You know, it's fucking terrible.

01:57:58.360 Absolutely.

01:57:58.720 Yeah.

01:57:59.220 There's so much shit to, like, worry about.

01:58:01.780 And they use this as political pawns.

01:58:03.820 Of course.

01:58:04.100 They use this in fundraising campaigns.

01:58:06.200 They use the five of us in congressional fundraising campaigns.

01:58:09.120 They're like, oh, we're good.

01:58:10.240 You know, these are the terrorists and this is what we're going to fight.

01:58:13.240 So they used this for that.

01:58:15.020 They thought that they had it figured out.

01:58:17.780 They thought that the 2024 election was in the bag, that Trump was down, that Trump was weak.

01:58:23.700 Try to go after him, too.

01:58:24.660 It's crazy.

01:58:25.160 He was getting his time.

01:58:26.240 When are you guys after him?

01:58:27.380 Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

01:58:29.380 Yeah.

01:58:29.500 That's all I have to say.

01:58:30.260 And they did.

01:58:30.880 And they deserve to be in prison.

01:58:32.380 Yeah.

01:58:32.660 Really.

01:58:33.120 Those people that did this to us deserve to be in prison.

01:58:34.760 Well, everyone left.

01:58:35.440 Jack Smith resigned.

01:58:36.660 Chris Wray left the FBI.

01:58:39.000 Everyone that was, I mean, I know that they're launching investigations into the agents in the

01:58:43.900 USA's that were instrumental in this stuff.

01:58:45.700 The law firm that was involved helping out Jack Smith that worked pro bono on this shit.

01:58:49.980 Yep.

01:58:50.860 Just yesterday.

01:58:51.620 Yeah.

01:58:51.760 Just yesterday.

01:58:52.080 They signed an executive order against this.

01:58:53.840 So, you know, the tides are turning, man.

01:58:55.520 And it's great to see.

01:58:56.840 Like I said, it's this is preposterous, man.

01:58:59.760 But, yeah, guys, I want to get you guys the last word.

01:59:04.560 You know, what are your guys' final thoughts on it?

01:59:06.260 You know, where can people find you, et cetera?

01:59:08.700 Let me start with whoever wants to go first.

01:59:09.960 Go ahead.

01:59:10.580 You know, our biggest thing right now is just how do we move forward on a good foot?

01:59:15.440 And I think for me is I focus on a lot on the other guys that I met.

01:59:21.380 We have this thing called the Lost Boys.

01:59:22.920 It's something that I kind of created while I was in prison with other January Sixers.

01:59:26.340 Just really phenomenal, courageous individuals.

01:59:28.980 I didn't get to meet all the January Sixers, but the ones that really stood out to me.

01:59:32.680 We started this group called the Lost Boys.

01:59:34.140 You're going to be seeing more of that, too.

01:59:35.400 And a lot more of their voice, their stories.

01:59:38.000 It's really, really awesome.

01:59:39.560 We're also starting this project called the Proud Coin that we're going to be allocating to January Sixers to help relief.

01:59:44.820 Because, for example, one of our buddies, Billy Cressman, he's got a custody battle right now for his 10-year-old daughter.

01:59:51.780 He's got, after he just paid rent, he's got no money, no extra car.

01:59:57.120 So he's just trying to get an extra car right now.

01:59:58.840 And that kind of broke my heart hearing that.

02:00:00.360 But there's just handfuls of people like that in this.

02:00:04.460 So we're really just starting to try and start projects to encourage about entrepreneurship, the future with crypto and investment.

02:00:13.520 I think that's really big.

02:00:14.520 I think that's really important that people start to see that.

02:00:16.340 I think Trump is going to be huge into crypto as well.

02:00:19.060 Oh, yeah.

02:00:19.620 Sure.

02:00:19.940 And, sorry, what was I?

02:00:22.940 Oh.

02:00:24.400 Yeah.

02:00:25.760 You go ahead and plug that one.

02:00:27.020 All right.

02:00:27.240 I can't see it real.

02:00:28.240 Yeah.

02:00:28.780 What I can do is, do we got a lot of jobs right now?

02:00:31.060 Oh, you don't have your glasses on.

02:00:31.340 Because I know some of them have questions and stuff.

02:00:34.340 You'll put them what?

02:00:35.140 I'll put them all up already.

02:00:36.360 You good?

02:00:36.980 Okay.

02:00:37.600 All right.

02:00:38.480 What about you?

02:00:38.900 So, I mean, I don't know what the future holds for me.

02:00:44.980 You know, I want to get all, like, the emotional business ideas out, you know, because when you're in there, all you have is time to think.

02:00:51.580 Yeah.

02:00:51.760 So, I kind of want to, I just want to have some time to myself and then kind of just, like, center my chi.

02:00:58.760 Yeah.

02:00:59.280 Right?

02:00:59.720 And kind of figure out what the path forward is.

02:01:01.940 Right now, for me, the most important thing is my guys here locally.

02:01:07.460 You know, before, I'm sorry, before that is my God, my family.

02:01:11.580 Right?

02:01:12.060 And then, like, my guys here locally, the J6ers, all the J6ers.

02:01:17.920 Also, with the ProudCoin project, what we're trying to do is also give, you know, it's a coin that I want to give education to the J6ers, too, about crypto and how the currencies work, how you trade, how you make a wallet and things like that.

02:01:32.400 So, it's also about education.

02:01:35.780 But, again, I'm focused on my stuff here locally and trying to get, like, my bearing up.

02:01:43.080 Do I go back into the security business?

02:01:44.880 Do I go back into the contracting business?

02:01:47.300 Do I get into, we're going to start our podcast here soon enough?

02:01:51.160 Do we get back into podcasting?

02:01:53.080 When are you guys going to drop it?

02:01:53.940 What's it called?

02:01:55.140 Well, it was called The War Boys.

02:01:56.600 We did have a podcast before.

02:01:58.280 It was called The War Boys.

02:01:59.180 It was me, Ethan, and Joe Biggs.

02:02:01.380 Okay.

02:02:01.800 Right?

02:02:02.380 Which was a contributor to InfoWars.

02:02:04.160 Yep.

02:02:05.200 So, that's going to be dropping soon.

02:02:07.620 We're building the studio out right now, and we're just getting, we're trying to pick a good platform.

02:02:12.600 Are you guys going to do it here in Miami?

02:02:13.920 It's going to be in Miami.

02:02:14.820 Yes.

02:02:15.760 We're right by Tropical Park.

02:02:18.060 I live, I literally could probably look outside that window and see my house.

02:02:21.420 So, that's how close I live.

02:02:22.360 I'm a Miami native.

02:02:22.480 You guys drop it.

02:02:23.060 Let me know.

02:02:23.620 We'll help you guys promote it.

02:02:24.840 Okay.

02:02:25.300 Awesome.

02:02:25.780 Thank you so much.

02:02:26.700 And, you know, just follow me on Twitter.

02:02:30.380 Noble one, guys.

02:02:31.220 Noble one.

02:02:31.800 I got all their Twitters below, by the way, guys.

02:02:34.020 Pat, Ethan, and Enrique.

02:02:36.200 All their Twitters are going to be below.

02:02:37.340 Give them a follow.

02:02:38.460 All right.

02:02:38.840 Thank you.

02:02:39.400 Thank you for having me.

02:02:40.580 No, of course, dude.

02:02:41.220 Of course.

02:02:41.520 When you guys drop your podcast, make sure to let me know, and I'll definitely put it out there for the people.

02:02:44.960 Appreciate it.

02:02:45.640 Pat?

02:02:45.800 Like with all J6ers, I'm in the process of rebuilding my life, rebuilding my business.

02:02:51.280 I mean, taking them to trial, the lost income.

02:02:54.180 I mean, I still was able to, for three years, like, run my business.

02:02:57.320 But, you know, when you got jail on your horizon, a lot of people aren't necessarily going to work with you for coaching services.

02:03:05.460 So, things were held back a lot.

02:03:07.300 It's probably about a million dollars in damages total.

02:03:10.840 You know, a wife and two kids, another one on the way.

02:03:14.020 So, it's really, for me, about anchoring back into the business, anchoring back into my family, and taking everything to the next level.

02:03:21.060 I have a book on the J6 experience coming out, Memorial Day, Letters from Fort Dix, Reflections of a Political Prisoner.

02:03:28.920 So, that's going to be out for presale in April.

02:03:31.000 I wrote most of those letters by hand in prison, saying them out on my email list.

02:03:35.040 Really got amazing response from that.

02:03:36.940 So, it's kind of like a combination of, like, prison stories, J6 stories, all that stuff.

02:03:42.820 So, at any rate, that's kind of where things are going for me.

02:03:46.260 Congratulations.

02:03:46.620 And you can find me on Twitter, Pat underscore, at Pat underscore Stedman.

02:03:51.720 Yeah.

02:03:52.040 When that book comes out, let me know.

02:03:53.960 Definitely will help you promote it.

02:03:56.100 But, no, guys, thank you so much for coming on the podcast, man.

02:03:58.920 Obviously, you guys are patriots.

02:04:01.000 You know, I think the course of the history of the country was changed because of what you guys did.

02:04:04.920 And, thankfully, we got Trump in and, you know, he gave you guys the part.

02:04:08.800 And, hopefully, you guys can repair with the damage they've done, man.

02:04:11.400 It's fucking ridiculous how they weaponized the Justice Department to go after the patriots.

02:04:15.360 Yeah.

02:04:16.080 But, anyway, guys, we'll be fresh and going to go live here soon on Fresh and Fit with Amaranth.

02:04:22.000 I hope you guys enjoyed the podcast, man.

02:04:23.960 Love y'all ninjas.

02:04:24.840 We showed all the chats on screen.

02:04:26.020 Obviously, we wanted to focus on the interview.

02:04:28.200 I'll catch you guys back here tomorrow.

02:04:30.840 No, actually, we're going to be traveling to Vegas.

02:04:32.160 So, after the Amaranth, we're going to have After Hours, guys.

02:04:34.800 And then we're going to be in Vegas.

02:04:35.900 So, love you guys.

02:04:36.820 Be back in After Hours in about two hours.

02:04:38.820 Later.

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The Debrief With MyronGainesX - February 26, 2025

Enrique Tarrio, Pat Stedman, And Ethan EXPOSE J6 LIES!

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