The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Fed Cracks Code Of Most Infamous Serial Killer： The Zodiac

00:00:00.760 And we are live. What's up, guys? Welcome to FedIt. Today, we're going to be covering the Zodiac Killer Man.

00:00:04.400 We've got a lot to go over. Let's get right into it.

00:00:09.580 I was a special agent with Homeland Security Investigations, okay, guys?

00:00:12.340 HSI. The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug trafficking.

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00:01:46.780 So he was in this bad boy.

00:01:48.320 We're going to go over his past, the gang time, so that this all makes sense.

00:01:58.340 All right.

00:01:59.040 What's up, guys?

00:01:59.540 Welcome back to Fed It.

00:02:00.860 Okay.

00:02:01.120 So I'm here with a special guest.

00:02:02.360 I'm going to have her introduce herself real quick. 0.96

00:02:03.920 Annie, what's up?

00:02:05.140 Hi, guys.

00:02:06.260 My name is Annie, but you can call me Funanny.

00:02:10.020 Where are you from?

00:02:11.120 Toronto.

00:02:12.120 Toronto, Canada.

00:02:13.140 The Canadians snuck in. 1.00

00:02:14.540 Yeah.

00:02:15.340 How old are you?

00:02:16.420 I'm 23.

00:02:17.520 And I already know that the people are going to want to know, what is your ethnic background?

00:02:21.640 I'm half Filipino, Polish, and Russian.

00:02:25.080 Fantastic. 0.98

00:02:25.600 That's where she got the boobs from, guys. 1.00

00:02:29.060 And what do you do for work? 0.97

00:02:30.980 I do OnlyFans.

00:02:32.320 Okay.

00:02:33.060 Fantastic.

00:02:33.940 So, guys, today we're going to be covering the Zodiac Killer.

00:02:36.780 She's actually pretty familiar with the case herself.

00:02:38.840 So we're going to go over a bunch of the crimes.

00:02:41.800 We're going to go over the evidence.

00:02:43.180 We're going to show you guys movie clips, which are pretty accurate about what actually happened.

00:02:47.660 And we're going to go over the suspects.

00:02:49.000 Okay, guys?

00:02:49.460 So without further ado, let's get right into it because we got a lot to cover.

00:02:52.720 All right?

00:02:53.000 So first, let's go ahead, as always, with the Wikipedia page, right?

00:02:57.460 Show you guys kind of an overview of who this individual is.

00:03:00.420 The Zodiac Killer is a pseudonym of an unidentified serial killer who operated in Northern California in the late 1960s.

00:03:05.980 The case has been described as the most famous unsolved murder case in American history.

00:03:09.940 Yeah, that's an understatement.

00:03:10.900 It is by far the most famous serial killer case in American history.

00:03:15.020 You know, I know Jack the Ripper is also famous.

00:03:16.640 But as far as the United States goes, this guy is it.

00:03:19.200 There are websites all over the place, guys.

00:03:22.240 You know, ZodiacKiller.com, Zodiac Forums.

00:03:25.220 To this day, there's still a Reddit where people post information about the case and try to discover who the killer is.

00:03:30.600 It's the biggest unsolved case in U.S. history.

00:03:33.880 While I was researching for this thing, I was going down the Zodiac rabbit hole trying to find, okay, who is the killer?

00:03:39.860 All right, was it this guy?

00:03:40.580 Was it this guy?

00:03:41.160 Blah, blah, blah.

00:03:41.820 What I'm going to do is I've distilled a bunch of this information for you guys, and I'm going to go over the most prominent suspects.

00:03:47.340 Actually, me and Annie were discussing a few of them earlier, which we'll get into.

00:03:52.580 And she'll give you guys her opinion of who she thinks it is, and I'll give you guys my take on who I think it is.

00:03:56.820 I think we pretty much agree on who it might be.

00:03:59.020 It's Lee Allen.

00:04:00.200 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:04:01.140 No, I'm just kidding.

00:04:02.720 We're going to talk about Arthur Lee Allen, guys.

00:04:04.600 Don't worry.

00:04:05.620 But he was one of the prime suspects.

00:04:08.240 But anyway, let's keep going on here.

00:04:10.560 Oh, my bad.

00:04:13.440 Okay.

00:04:14.320 So the case has been described as the most famous unsolved murder case in American history.

00:04:19.140 It became a fixture of popular culture and inspired amateur detectives to attempt to solve it.

00:04:22.920 The Zodiac murdered five known victims in the San Francisco Bay Area between December 1968 and October 1969, operating in rural, urban, and suburban settings.

00:04:31.860 He targeted young couples and a lone male cab driver.

00:04:35.440 He has known attacks took place in Benicia, Vallejo, unincorporated in Napa County, and the city of San Francisco proper.

00:04:42.540 Two of his wounded victims survived.

00:04:43.900 The Zodiac claimed to have murdered 37 victims.

00:04:46.100 He has been linked to several other cold cases, some in Southern California or outside the states.

00:04:50.700 Okay.

00:04:51.200 So this is him.

00:04:52.920 And he also inspired a couple of copycats, including Herbie Tocita and Kobe Child Murders.

00:04:58.100 Right.

00:04:58.300 And this is how influential this guy was.

00:05:00.680 Okay. 0.99

00:05:01.040 As far as like for the deranged out there, they like to kill people.

00:05:03.360 So anyway, we're going to go ahead and go on to ZodiacKiller.com.

00:05:07.900 We're going to cover his first victims that were actually documented that were verified.

00:05:11.780 Okay, guys.

00:05:12.440 The Zodiac had a few verified victims.

00:05:15.720 Let me go back here real fast.

00:05:17.460 And these are the definite victims.

00:05:18.960 Okay.

00:05:19.160 And this is that website I told you guys about, ZodiacKiller.com.

00:05:22.200 This website is run by Tom Voigt, okay, one of the top leading researchers for the Zodiac Killer, and there's been so many different Zodiac websites.

00:05:34.220 But, you know, this is fairly accurate.

00:05:36.640 When I looked at the police information versus this website and other websites, this is pretty much the definitive victim list that we know for a fact were his victims.

00:05:45.200 So we're going to go over the first pair right now, which is David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen.

00:05:49.540 Okay.

00:05:49.700 So they were killed on December 20th, 1968, Friday.

00:05:54.460 Okay.

00:05:54.600 Here's the case number out of Riverside.

00:05:56.740 And the time of the attack was approximately 11.15 p.m.

00:05:59.700 The place of attack was a gavel parking area along remote Lake Herman Road and the eastern outskirts of Vallejo, California.

00:06:06.120 Let me enlarge this for y'all real fast.

00:06:08.400 Okay.

00:06:09.620 David Faraday, age 17, was shot once in the head at point-blank range and died within minutes.

00:06:14.320 Betty Lou Jensen, age 16, was shot five times in the back and killed instantly.

00:06:17.820 The weapon was a .22 caliber semi-automatic pistol.

00:06:20.620 The ammunition was Winchester Western Super X copper-coated long rifle.

00:06:25.180 There was no indication of robbery or sexual molestation.

00:06:28.040 While there were no witnesses, several vehicles were seen in the area just prior to local resident Stella Borges discovering the crime scene.

00:06:34.780 Okay.

00:06:34.880 And here we go here.

00:06:37.260 So this is the coroner, right, showing that they had been shot.

00:06:41.880 And then one thing I like about this website is they actually have the authentic, you know, reports from the 60s.

00:06:47.620 As you guys can see, this one was dated the day after they were killed on December 21st, 1968.

00:06:52.980 Okay.

00:06:53.340 And they were killed instantly.

00:06:56.200 Here's the county of Solano.

00:06:57.440 Here's her certificate of death, Betty Lou. 0.84

00:07:02.980 And then here, this is the crime scene.

00:07:05.820 This picture actually ended up going on the Herald, very famous.

00:07:10.120 And here is where one of the victims was actually shot and killed.

00:07:13.460 And this area is very rural, guys.

00:07:14.900 It's out in the middle of nowhere.

00:07:16.620 Okay.

00:07:17.480 So whoever did this was on some demon time.

00:07:21.760 All right.

00:07:22.120 Details.

00:07:22.600 According to the police report, the victims were apparently approached while occupying Faraday's station wagon.

00:07:26.840 Shots were fired into the vehicle in an apparent effort to force them out.

00:07:31.480 Jensen exited the front passenger door first.

00:07:33.860 Remember, guys, Jensen is the female.

00:07:35.260 So she ran out first, the front passenger door, followed by Faraday.

00:07:38.700 So the guy ran out after.

00:07:40.020 Faraday was shot as he emerged from the car.

00:07:41.580 So as soon as he got out, he got shot.

00:07:43.400 So the attacker always goes for the man first, right?

00:07:46.840 Jensen was then shot as she fled on foot.

00:07:49.340 It was the first state Jensen had ever been allowed on and the crime shocked the community.

00:07:54.640 The shooting could not be explained by Faraday's family.

00:07:56.840 Jensen's family was equally dumped on it.

00:07:58.620 So no one knew.

00:07:59.260 I mean, these were kids.

00:08:00.240 She was 16.

00:08:01.180 He was 17, right?

00:08:02.300 They're there, maybe making out, you know, back in the 60s.

00:08:05.480 This is how they used to do things, right?

00:08:06.960 There wasn't TV or Instagram, right?

00:08:08.580 You can't shoot a girl at DM.

00:08:11.420 So this is her right here, right?

00:08:13.960 Shot as she was trying to exit the passenger side.

00:08:16.840 And, you know, very sad, 16 years old.

00:08:20.020 And remember, guys, this is 60.

00:08:21.380 So the pictures aren't going to be that clear.

00:08:23.320 And then this is the police report shocked the community.

00:08:26.140 Yeah.

00:08:26.700 Her classmates ended up doing a fund, right?

00:08:29.060 They organized some money to try to find who the killer was.

00:08:31.520 And then the parents had no clue, is the family, for Ms. Jean Faraday, mother of Leho student David Faraday, who was shot to death near December 20th, is shown with her three other children, Debbie 16, Stevie 13, and Robert 15, in their home at 1930 Sereno Drive.

00:08:48.180 But the slangs of David and Betty Lou Jensen remain unsolved.

00:08:50.580 Times Herald photo.

00:08:51.620 Sad, man.

00:08:52.200 Very, very sad.

00:08:52.780 And let's see here.

00:08:56.700 And then this is the station wagon here.

00:08:58.260 This is the vehicle, right?

00:09:00.080 They're doing the bullet trajectory here.

00:09:02.720 And then Solano County Coroner Dan Horan examines a bullet-riddled station wagon.

00:09:07.280 And in this police report, guys, right, this is the actual police report of the shooting, all right?

00:09:16.000 And as you guys can see, there are 60 different pages here.

00:09:19.020 But I'll go ahead and summarize it for y'all because I already read through this thing pretty much.

00:09:23.800 And there were a bunch of different witnesses that drove by, right, this area and saw a man standing outside of their vehicle with a gun, all right?

00:09:33.180 And they called the police after the fact, but what the basic thing is, the basic conclusion here is that whoever this killer was, they didn't have much time to commit the murder and then get out of the scene quickly before the police arrived.

00:09:49.960 Because there was a very tight timeline between witnesses seeing this man and the guy being able to commit the murder and get the hell out of there quickly, okay?

00:09:58.040 So at this point, no one knew what the hell was going on, all right?

00:10:01.200 So for two years, there was, like, no clues.

00:10:03.920 All right?

00:10:05.160 Actually, excuse me, one year.

00:10:06.580 Because you guys are going to see the next offense come shortly thereafter, all right?

00:10:11.760 But you guys are free to go ahead and read the police report.

00:10:14.360 And we're going to go ahead and skim through this video here as well.

00:10:17.960 And this is the first murder again.

00:10:19.160 This is the murder of David Faraday, 17, and Betty Lou Jensen, 16, in 1968, December 20th.

00:10:27.660 Okay?

00:10:27.900 It was a Friday, approximately 11, 15 p.m.

00:10:33.180 No one knew who the Zodiac Killer was at this point.

00:10:38.360 Sergeant, could you briefly describe what apparently happened last night?

00:10:43.120 Yes, we had a devil homicide that took place out on the county road about sometime after 11 o'clock last night.

00:10:51.120 And a devil homicide involving victims were a 16-year-old girl and a 17-year-old boy.

00:10:59.460 How did this incident occur, apparently?

00:11:02.140 Well, they were shot.

00:11:06.000 What were the circumstances involved?

00:11:09.040 Possibly they were ordered out of the car by the responsible and the boy was shot right at this side of the...

00:11:17.240 The responsible is an old police term, guys, when they're referring to the suspect.

00:11:21.400 It's not really used anymore as far as police jargon goes.

00:11:24.180 But when they say the responsible, when you see that on police reports, that typically means the suspect.

00:11:28.120 The car and the girl apparently tried to run, and she was shot and found 28 feet further on.

00:11:35.820 There was one bullet hole that penetrated one of the windows of the car.

00:11:39.640 Was this a stray bullet, or was this one of the bullets that hit the victim and went on through?

00:11:44.540 This could be a stray bullet or a warning bullet of some sort that we can't connect it with the bodies,

00:11:53.380 but it's the same type of shell.

00:11:55.840 Do you have any idea what the possible motive might be for this killing?

00:12:00.640 We have no motive at this time.

00:12:04.100 And there's the footage of...

00:12:07.500 It's black and white.

00:12:08.400 Obviously, this is the late 60s.

00:12:10.800 The bullet hole.

00:12:11.720 The bullet hole.

00:12:25.840 That's the vehicle.

00:12:43.180 As you can see, that it was shattered.

00:12:47.080 Some more footage here.

00:12:48.400 And this area is extremely rural, by the way, guys.

00:12:59.880 Lake Herman.

00:13:00.760 Ain't nothing out there.

00:13:01.720 No lights.

00:13:02.920 Nothing.

00:13:03.280 And it hasn't changed much over the past few decades.

00:13:09.400 Some more footage where they outline the body.

00:13:11.820 You can see the blood there.

00:13:14.620 Very discretion is advised, obviously.

00:13:16.020 Okay.

00:13:18.400 This is where the murder took place.

00:13:24.840 This used to be like an old oil.

00:13:28.180 I think it was like an oil factor or something like that.

00:13:30.660 And this is where they were pulled in.

00:13:33.140 And witnesses saw two different vehicles in this area right around the time the shooting was happening with a man.

00:13:39.300 Look at that.

00:13:39.820 Out in the middle of nowhere.

00:13:40.680 Out in the middle of nowhere.

00:13:45.020 So, what I have here for y'all, okay, is some more stuff.

00:13:58.580 Okay.

00:13:58.880 So, as you guys can see here, some actual crime scene pictures.

00:14:02.980 All right.

00:14:03.640 Two warning shots fired into the Rambler here.

00:14:06.400 Here's the actual footage.

00:14:09.060 Sorry.

00:14:10.160 Here, let me enlarge this for y'all real fast.

00:14:13.080 So, you guys can see better.

00:14:14.840 Okay.

00:14:16.480 Some crime scene photographs.

00:14:18.420 Right.

00:14:20.620 Here's obviously that famous photograph I showed you guys from before in color.

00:14:24.720 Right.

00:14:26.760 Here.

00:14:28.300 Here's another photograph.

00:14:29.440 Another angle right here.

00:14:32.980 I feel like we're watching 90s porn where it takes forever to zoom.

00:14:37.920 Right.

00:14:39.100 And then, hold on.

00:14:42.360 My bad.

00:14:43.860 All right.

00:14:44.300 And then you scroll down a bit.

00:14:45.920 This is Pierre Bedou revisits the Lake Herman Road.

00:14:49.000 He was one of the investigators assigned to this case.

00:14:52.820 The opposite hasn't changed much.

00:14:54.900 He's aged, but the area hasn't changed too much.

00:14:58.080 Right.

00:14:58.520 And then this is where it was.

00:14:59.440 This is where they were found.

00:15:00.560 And now, this right here, I like this because it summarizes the reports.

00:15:07.580 Okay.

00:15:07.900 So, there were a couple of witnesses.

00:15:10.920 Okay.

00:15:11.480 The Lake Herman Road timeline from the police reports.

00:15:13.420 Right.

00:15:13.860 So, the timeline of events on 12-20-68 on Lake Herman Road is an interesting one.

00:15:17.380 It includes some questionable details.

00:15:18.740 One thing is for sure, for being a dark, cold night on a quiet, lonely road, there seems to have been a good amount of witnesses in cars at and around the crime scene.

00:15:26.120 An examination of the timeline is in order, but I will not attempt to discredit any of the witnesses.

00:15:30.160 But we'll merely point out the approximate established times is taken from the reports, as well as details included herein.

00:15:37.760 The first or perhaps the most interesting witness was William Crowe.

00:15:41.120 Okay.

00:15:41.420 So, let me go ahead and enlarge this for you guys real quick.

00:15:44.120 And I like this because it summarizes it.

00:15:45.600 And I went through this report as well and read some of these statements.

00:15:47.620 And, yeah.

00:15:48.100 I mean, you guys got to remember, this is the 60s.

00:15:49.860 You know, people didn't have their iPhone to look at and check the time like now.

00:15:55.140 All right.

00:15:55.680 So, everything is approximately.

00:15:57.460 At approximately 9.30 in 10, Crowe and his girlfriend claimed they were parked on that very spot where Faraday and Jensen would be murdered a little while, a little over an hour later.

00:16:05.460 So, get this.

00:16:06.100 Hold on.

00:16:06.440 So, you're telling me another couple parked there, right, to maybe do a make-out session or whatever it may be, and they were there an hour prior.

00:16:18.540 And they go, there were no other cars parked there.

00:16:21.040 Crowe claims that while parked at the spot, checking out his girlfriend's new car, a blue car, possibly a Valiant, passed them coming from Benicia to Vallejo and then suddenly stopped in the road and started to back up.

00:16:33.940 So, Crowe, sensing danger, quickly pulled out and the other car followed them at a high rate of speed before Crowe was able to quickly turn off, losing the blue car behind them.

00:16:43.040 The car that chased Crowe apparently contained two white males.

00:16:46.440 Males. 1.00

00:16:47.240 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:16:48.880 So, were they going to go ahead and get attacked? 1.00

00:16:51.240 But they ran away versus these two did not run and they ended up getting attacked?

00:16:54.480 Now, keep in mind, guys, that the next murder we're going to describe fits very closely to this one.

00:17:00.580 And you know what I'm talking about, right?

00:17:01.920 So, and I'm going to show you guys a movie clip from it as well to illustrate it better.

00:17:06.760 So, Peggy and Homer, okay?

00:17:08.820 So, Yore.

00:17:11.000 Peggy and Homer, Yore.

00:17:11.860 Their last name is Yore.

00:17:12.940 Passed the crime scene while out checking pipes for her husband's job.

00:17:16.180 As they passed the pump station, the turnout, they saw Faraday's Rambler with a boy sitting in the driver's seat with the girl resting on his shoulder.

00:17:22.940 Certainly based on what she witnessed, there was no sign of foul play at 11 p.m.

00:17:26.560 Just as young people parked in a quiet area enjoying their time together, Ms. Yore went into detail even stating that when her headlights, when her headlights, his Dave's car, Dave put his hands on the steering wheel.

00:17:37.900 It's obvious she was providing great detail here.

00:17:41.820 And while Ray Grant would have you believe that the kids were kidnapped earlier and that Ms. Yore was lying or making these details up, there is zero evidence to support Ray's theory.

00:17:52.100 I don't know who Ray is.

00:17:53.320 But either way, the point of this, guys, is that they go ahead and let me.

00:18:00.980 So, in her later report about three months after the incident, Ms. Yore continues to say that she saw the two victims in the Rambler and again mentions that when their headlights shined on the young Caucasian couple consisting of a boy and a girl, the boy says to himself, moving in a seat.

00:18:13.440 She also, once again, details the hunters and their clothing.

00:18:16.540 Nothing changes in the description of the scene or the car.

00:18:18.720 She estimates that she encountered the hunters and saw the Rambler at about 11.15 to 11.18 p.m.

00:18:24.280 Ms. Yore, sorry, Ms. Yore describes the same details and estimated that they were at the scene between 11 and 11.20.

00:18:32.280 The Yore's clock was found to be off by such and such minutes.

00:18:35.840 Okay.

00:18:39.080 Okay.

00:18:39.580 So, let's see here.

00:18:40.980 The car was facing east towards the field left of the gate when your friend turned around.

00:18:45.880 See, and this is a problem with witness statements sometimes, guys.

00:18:48.880 It's very difficult for them to remember all the details, especially when you're dealing with such a tight timeline.

00:18:54.980 Okay.

00:18:55.580 So, now they interview the hunters, right, that were in the area at the same time.

00:18:59.040 So, the first statement to the police was the day after.

00:19:00.920 The hunters claimed they hunted until 11 p.m. or so, and they noted the times as Connelly had looked at his watch.

00:19:06.660 Time was approximately and could have been 10.50 or 10.55.

00:19:09.700 They stated that it took them about three to five minutes to walk to their truck.

00:19:12.620 In his second statement to police, Connelly stated it may have taken up to 10 minutes to walk back to the truck.

00:19:17.220 Connelly stated that they arrived at the truck and were there about five minutes when a car came in and turned around.

00:19:22.860 This car belonged to the yours.

00:19:24.240 So, the hunters saw the yours, this couple right here.

00:19:27.540 All right?

00:19:27.740 After the yours turned around, the hunters sat there about another five minutes and then drove off.

00:19:34.420 Connelly estimated they left the area between 11.05 and 11.15.

00:19:37.360 If we assume that the hunters started walking back to their truck at Connelly's earliest estimated time of 10.50 and it took them three to ten minutes to get to their truck.

00:19:45.240 They arrived at the truck at about 10.53 to 11.00 p.m.

00:19:48.180 They sat there until approximately 10.58 to 11.05 p.m., at which time they saw the yours turn around.

00:19:54.220 They then sat there another five minutes or so until approximately 11.03 to 11.12 before they left.

00:19:59.460 All right?

00:19:59.640 Now, you got James Owen, Stella Burgess.

00:20:06.520 All right?

00:20:07.180 Now, hold on.

00:20:08.660 Because one of these witnesses saw a guy with a gun.

00:20:11.200 Okay.

00:20:22.320 And this is from whose statement.

00:20:25.100 Sheep Holder also pleased that he was checking his sheep at approximately 10.

00:20:28.740 Okay.

00:20:29.420 There we go.

00:20:30.180 At approximately 11 p.m., Peggy and Homer Yore, the witnesses that we talked about before, returning from Sacramento, heading west on Lake Herman Road.

00:20:35.240 Because Homer Yore wanted to check some pipes near the Marshall Ranch as he worked for a construction company laying pipes in the area.

00:20:41.220 As they passed the turnout, Peggy Yore would recollect the young couple in the Rambler, right?

00:20:46.060 Saying that, of course, she shined a light on them, et cetera. 0.67

00:20:47.740 We know that.

00:20:48.600 As they were driving west on Lake Herman Road at the turn off to Benencia Water Pumping Station, she observed a Rambler Station wagon parked with front and end heading east.

00:20:58.740 There were two Caucasians in the front seat, male and female.

00:21:01.520 And then we know what happened there.

00:21:02.560 They proceeded toward the Marshall Ranch, which was located at approximately 30 seconds driving time beyond the turnout, where they encountered the two raccoon hunters, Frank Gasser and Robert Connolly, as they turned into the gated entrance of the ranch.

00:21:15.060 They noticed one of the men had a long-barreled gun, while the other had a flashlight, so decided to reverse and head east back to Benencia when they passed the turnout for a second time.

00:21:25.740 The Rambler of David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen was still there.

00:21:28.440 The time was now a few minutes after 11 p.m.

00:21:32.080 So, obviously, guys, timelines are off.

00:21:35.720 Very fishy.

00:21:37.220 You know, who knows if any of these people were actually the killers and they just didn't want to, you know, give accurate statements on times.

00:21:43.720 Here's colored photos of the two victims.

00:21:45.980 And this pretty much went unsolved for a significant amount of time, right?

00:21:51.660 So, now, we're going to go ahead and move on to the second murder, okay?

00:22:01.480 And this is where things start to get a little bit more focused, all right?

00:22:04.600 This is the issue sometimes with witnesses because times are off.

00:22:08.180 Oh, I saw this.

00:22:08.820 I saw that, et cetera.

00:22:10.020 This is the beauty of having other witnesses and having something like cell phone evidence, et cetera, location data to be able to verify things, which, you know, obviously, in the 60s, they didn't have any of that stuff, right?

00:22:22.020 Which made catching killers much more difficult.

00:22:24.660 Technology was not on law enforcement side.

00:22:26.240 So, now, we're going to go ahead and fast forward approximately almost a year later, okay, guys?

00:22:36.980 And this is the next victims, set of victims, Darlene Elizabeth Farron and Mike Renat-Maju, okay?

00:22:47.460 Maju.

00:22:48.560 Now, I'm going to go ahead and show you guys a clip that illustrates this attack, and then we're going to go ahead and go through the evidence.

00:22:54.720 So, I think it'll be easier for you guys to understand.

00:22:57.480 Now, this comes from the movie Zodiac, 2007 film.

00:23:00.560 This movie actually was very well done, very well researched.

00:23:04.220 The director of this movie took great effort to illustrate the movie and be as accurate as he possibly can about a bunch of the facts in it, okay?

00:23:14.820 So, what we're going to go ahead and do is, similar to the first set of murders, right, with Faraday and Jensen,

00:23:23.300 these two, Darlene Elizabeth Farron and Mike Maju, also are parked in a secluded road in California,

00:23:33.680 and, you know, they're potentially going to get some type of action going, and this is what occurs.

00:23:39.900 It's the largest thing.

00:23:41.360 Play it for y'all. 0.99

00:23:41.980 So, he told some hecklers, fuck off, right, that we're, this is July 4th, 1969, right, Independence Day in the United States for all my foreign guys out there. 1.00

00:23:56.760 So, after they go off. 1.00

00:23:58.500 Mind you, this woman, guys, is married, okay, at this point.

00:24:22.480 The car just rolls up behind them, turns off its lights.

00:24:40.440 What would you do at that point?

00:24:42.900 What would you do, Annie? 1.00

00:24:45.060 I was like, fuck off. 1.00

00:24:46.720 Like, I don't know why they're just chilling. 1.00

00:24:48.440 Turns the lights off and just sits there.

00:24:49.760 Let's see what happens.

00:24:50.260 Was that car they're driving?

00:24:57.940 I saw that car, Mr. Darlene.

00:25:04.360 Do you want me to tell them to leave?

00:25:08.140 Stay in the car.

00:25:09.060 And the location right now, guys, is at the Blue Rock Springs Park in Vallejo, California.

00:25:23.420 3.3 miles northwest from the Lake Herman murder, which we described earlier.

00:25:28.580 Was that your husband?

00:25:37.760 No.

00:25:40.360 So, very similar to the first set.

00:25:42.020 Remember that witness that said, hey, car pulled up behind us, we panicked, got the hell out of there, and then they chased after us.

00:25:47.700 But they don't leave.

00:25:51.460 Who was that, Darlene? 1.00

00:25:54.360 Don't worry about it.

00:25:56.460 Don't tell me not to worry.

00:25:57.820 Who was it?

00:25:58.340 It's nothing. 1.00

00:26:09.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:26:10.280 Hold on. 0.99

00:26:11.160 So, it's about to get interesting here, guys, right?

00:26:15.020 Hold on.

00:26:15.300 I'm trying to do it where...

00:26:17.700 There we go.

00:26:30.720 Bro.

00:26:32.440 At this point, what would you do, Annie?

00:26:34.180 I'd, like, run away.

00:26:35.800 Like, I don't know what's going on.

00:26:37.160 But you don't think that girl is sus. 0.99

00:26:40.040 Like, I feel like you don't think she had nothing to do with it?

00:26:44.400 Well, we'll talk about that later on.

00:26:47.400 The connection to this.

00:26:49.880 All right.

00:26:50.980 So, you guys hear him screeching in a distance and turns back.

00:26:55.040 And this is all very accurate from the police report that they had done with Maju after the fact.

00:27:03.880 Let's go.

00:27:08.740 Now, D.

00:27:09.320 That bright flashlight.

00:27:23.340 Get your wallet.

00:27:26.660 So, he thinks it's the police.

00:27:28.320 With that bright flashlight or they're going to get robbed.

00:27:30.300 One of the two.

00:27:30.820 Man, you really creeped us out.

00:27:40.340 Oh! 0.60

00:27:44.820 Oh! 1.00

00:27:52.780 So, he shoots the hell out of them. 1.00

00:27:54.840 All right? 1.00

00:27:55.240 All right.

00:27:55.340 All right.

00:27:56.320 All right.

00:27:56.600 And he hears groaning.

00:28:03.840 What does he do? 0.99

00:28:12.520 He shoots him another two times and then he shoots her. 1.00

00:28:17.580 Crazy, crazy, crazy. 1.00

00:28:24.960 Right?

00:28:25.720 So, that, in a nutshell, was very accurately done of how the murder actually occurred, guys.

00:28:30.880 So, let's go ahead.

00:28:33.420 And.

00:28:33.820 So, that's what happened with these two.

00:28:38.520 Right?

00:28:40.080 Darlene Farron, age 22, was shot nine times.

00:28:42.360 Mike Maju, age 19, was shot four times.

00:28:44.280 The weapon was a nine millimeter semi-automatic pistol.

00:28:47.940 There was no indication of robbery or sexual molestation.

00:28:51.240 There were no witnesses.

00:28:52.740 Okay?

00:28:52.860 Obviously, there were the same thing.

00:28:54.360 Rural area.

00:28:55.660 Parking lot of secluded Blue Rock Ridge.

00:28:58.360 Blue Rock Springs park on the eastern outskirts of Vallejo, California.

00:29:02.640 Okay?

00:29:03.800 So, details.

00:29:04.780 Farron was married and worked as a waitress at Terry's restaurant.

00:29:07.340 Make a note of that, guys.

00:29:08.260 Okay?

00:29:08.720 She was a waitress. 1.00

00:29:10.860 Maju was single and worked as a laborer.

00:29:12.700 Farron's husband, Dean, was initially a suspect in the murder for obvious reasons.

00:29:16.480 Right?

00:29:16.700 Hey, you're committing infidelity.

00:29:18.140 You're out with this, you know, this 19-year-old and you're 22.

00:29:21.440 What the hell is going on here?

00:29:22.740 However, he was ruled out once it was established he was working as a cook at Caesar's restaurant at the time of the murder.

00:29:27.440 Farron's first husband, James Philip Crabtree, was also briefly a suspect.

00:29:31.980 According to surviving victim of Joe, and remember, guys, this is the 1960s.

00:29:35.740 Women got married very young back then.

00:29:37.460 Okay?

00:29:37.720 I know some of you guys are like, 22 and she already had a husband?

00:29:39.620 Yes.

00:29:40.240 Back then, they were getting married young.

00:29:42.160 All right?

00:29:42.360 Women understood that their value comes from their youth and beauty back then. 1.00

00:29:45.360 They're not stupid like nowadays. 0.96

00:29:46.360 But anyway, according to surviving victim Majew, he and Farron had parked at the isolated location to talk. 0.99

00:29:55.080 A car, possibly a light brown Ford Mustang or Chevy Corvair, pulled into the lot just a few feet away.

00:30:00.680 A man with a flashlight exited the vehicle and approached him.

00:30:03.300 There were no other cars in the parking lot.

00:30:04.940 Thinking it was a police officer, the couple had their identification ready.

00:30:07.400 Without warning, the man began firing at the couple.

00:30:09.600 After five shots were fired, the man walked slowly back to his car.

00:30:13.060 Majew screamed in pain, at which point the man returned and fired two more shots into each victim.

00:30:18.460 It was at that point that Majew got a good look at him, or got a look at him.

00:30:22.580 The man was white, 5'8 to 5'9 in his late 20s to early 30s, stocky build, round face, and brown hair.

00:30:32.800 No conversation between the victims and the man occurred.

00:30:35.340 Approximately 45 minutes later, the Vallejo Police Department received a call from a man claiming responsibility for the attack.

00:30:42.980 He correctly identified the weapon used as a 9mm and also took credit for the Faraday-Jensen murders of December 20th, 1968.

00:30:51.580 So what has he done, guys?

00:30:52.860 He's pretty much given information that only the killer would know. 0.99

00:30:56.300 Yo, I used a 9mm weapon to kill them, right?

00:30:59.740 And this is about an hour after the attack. 0.72

00:31:01.700 And he went ahead and took credit for killing these two about seven months prior, okay, on December 20th.

00:31:10.380 And he killed them in a very similar fashion.

00:31:12.500 A couple parked in a secluded area.

00:31:15.160 For the next few weeks, the investigation went nowhere.

00:31:17.820 Then, on July 31st, 1969, letters were sent to the Vallejo Times-Herald, San Francisco Examiner, and San Francisco Chronicle.

00:31:24.540 The letters claimed to be from the killer of Faraday-Jensen and Faraday-Jensen and Farron.

00:31:29.920 Remember, guys, keep in mind, Maju lived.

00:31:34.140 He survived.

00:31:35.420 The other three died.

00:31:37.240 Okay?

00:31:37.920 So Farron, Faraday, and Jensen all died.

00:31:43.720 Maju lived.

00:31:45.300 Okay?

00:31:46.020 And keep that in mind because he's going to give important details later on.

00:31:48.780 Details were included that only the killer could have known, and each letter contained one-third of a cipher that, if solved, supposedly contained the killer's identity.

00:32:00.280 While the killer hadn't yet given himself the name Zodiac, this marked the beginning of a letter-writing spree that would go on for more than five years.

00:32:08.680 Okay?

00:32:08.920 So, uh, we'll talk about this identification later when we talk about the suspects.

00:32:14.460 Okay?

00:32:15.400 Now, um, and then here, this is Mike Maju, 20 years later, Darlene's sisters confronts Maju.

00:32:20.480 Uh, this isn't really pertinent right now, but what I do want to say, uh, did you have something that you want to add, Annie?

00:32:28.140 Um, no, I just, I think it's weird that he's just targeting couples.

00:32:32.200 And I think it's, like, I don't know, I feel like he's, like, getting off of, like, um, you know, like...

00:32:39.420 Killing women? 0.79

00:32:40.880 Yeah, but also, like, he kind of, like, wants to be caught, but, like, not actually. 0.88

00:32:46.400 Like, he's, like, teasing, like, the police and everything.

00:32:50.540 So, I don't know, he's, like, just sick.

00:32:52.520 Yeah. 0.95

00:32:53.060 And if you guys notice, he actually shoots the women way more, and you guys are going to notice in the next attack, he's always more ferocious with the women.

00:32:59.680 He kind of deals with the guys as, like, a requirement, but he takes more, uh, time with shooting and attacking the women.

00:33:07.780 Which is, uh, also gives an indication as to where his mindset is at.

00:33:11.780 Go ahead.

00:33:12.460 You got something else?

00:33:13.200 Yeah, like, he likes, I guess, to see them struggle.

00:33:16.660 Like, seeing the women struggle.

00:33:18.320 Yeah.

00:33:18.960 Yeah.

00:33:19.540 Now, also, what I'm going to go ahead and play for y'all, guys, is the phone call that he made to, uh, the police after this shooting.

00:33:27.900 Okay?

00:33:28.260 Um, and, uh, this is a pretty good rendition of it.

00:33:32.920 Uh, this was pretty much what he said when he called 911.

00:33:37.160 Okay, let me fast forward a little bit, because that's copyrighted music.

00:33:41.520 So, rotary phone dialing.

00:33:42.940 This is what he actually told 911 when he called.

00:33:45.880 This isn't the actual recording.

00:33:55.180 They don't have that, because this is the late 60s, so it wasn't recorded back then.

00:33:59.560 But this is verbatim pretty much what he said.

00:34:01.440 So that's a clue right there, because that's something only the killer would know.

00:34:22.580 And the way he said goodbye was extremely chilling.

00:34:32.640 And, and the 911 operator, you know, I had seen some interviews with them, uh, did not forget that, that, that goodbye.

00:34:41.680 So, obviously, you're dealing with a demented individual here.

00:34:44.480 Okay?

00:34:45.000 Okay, now, we're going to fast forward, okay, a couple of months.

00:34:52.020 And we're going to get into probably, I think this is one of the worst ones.

00:34:57.420 Uh, this was the attack on Cecilia Shepard and Brian Hartnell.

00:35:01.980 Okay?

00:35:02.500 This occurred on September 29th, 1969, on a Monday.

00:35:06.500 Um, case number here.

00:35:08.660 And then this was, uh, on, uh, at approximately 6.15 p.m., September 27th.

00:35:12.880 This was a Saturday.

00:35:14.200 Um, and it happened at the shoreline of Lake Berryessa near Napa, California.

00:35:18.840 Um, method of attacks of Cecilia Shepard, age 22, was stabbed 10 times, five in the front and five in the back.

00:35:23.820 Brian Hartnell, age 20, was stabbed six times in the back.

00:35:27.340 The knife had a wooden handle and a blade approximately 10 to 12 inches long.

00:35:30.240 There was no indication of robbery or sexual molestation.

00:35:33.480 There were no witnesses.

00:35:35.220 Okay?

00:35:35.740 And here are the two victims right here.

00:35:37.620 Brian, once again, ends up surviving.

00:35:39.840 Cecilia did not.

00:35:41.620 And I can show you guys better than I can tell you.

00:35:44.820 So I have the clip here from the movie, which is also painstakingly done.

00:35:50.860 Shout out to this director, man.

00:35:52.180 Don DeMarco for him.

00:35:53.860 Don DeMarco.

00:35:54.940 He actually went and did this scene where the actual murder occurred.

00:36:00.280 And on top of that, he went and got Hartnell involved to make sure that it was as accurate as possible.

00:36:06.580 And I'm going to show you guys this, too, when I show you the police reports and show you guys the evidence.

00:36:10.560 All right.

00:36:11.080 So let's go ahead and roll the clip.

00:36:17.440 So here's Cecilia.

00:36:18.740 Here's Hartnell.

00:36:23.220 Where'd he go?

00:36:25.720 So she sees a man walk up without a mask on, by the way.

00:36:28.660 Okay.

00:36:29.020 And in the police reports, she says he didn't have his mask on.

00:36:32.440 He had brown hair.

00:36:33.920 Imagine how menacing that is.

00:36:47.240 You see a dude coming up with a cross symbol on his chest and a hood.

00:36:51.700 Bruh.

00:36:55.760 He's coming towards us.

00:36:59.800 Oh, my God.

00:37:00.560 He has a gun.

00:37:02.780 Don't move.

00:37:04.380 I want your money and your car keys.

00:37:06.040 Okay.

00:37:07.680 We're not going to do anything, okay?

00:37:09.380 We're going to cooperate.

00:37:10.520 Just tell me what you want us to do.

00:37:20.320 Welcome to everything I have.

00:37:26.340 If there's anything else.

00:37:27.340 And they did a fantastic job of re-illustrating what he was wearing.

00:37:31.120 He had glasses on, all black.

00:37:34.360 Obviously, you guys can see the knife here.

00:37:36.700 Gloves.

00:37:37.520 The gun.

00:37:38.620 And he had glasses over his eyes.

00:37:41.580 Okay.

00:37:42.100 And a square top mask.

00:37:46.040 Executioner style.

00:37:47.000 It was like a bib almost.

00:37:47.960 I could do for you.

00:37:49.520 Maybe I could write you a check.

00:37:55.340 Okay.

00:37:55.700 I could give you my phone number.

00:37:58.460 You know, I might be able to help you.

00:38:01.480 Even more than you might think.

00:38:02.780 He's a sociology major.

00:38:07.120 Pre-law.

00:38:07.800 What? 1.00

00:38:09.880 What the fuck? 1.00

00:38:12.280 Keys. 1.00

00:38:13.600 You know, I'm sorry.

00:38:14.160 I don't know exactly where I put my keys.

00:38:15.820 They might be on the blanket.

00:38:17.040 Is it okay?

00:38:23.460 Here's the keys.

00:38:24.060 Don't get up.

00:38:28.300 I want her to tie you up. 1.00

00:38:29.740 So you can't prepare for two sets of rope, you know, which obviously tells you that he

00:38:41.200 was, he was been watching them for a bit because this is a very secluded area, guys.

00:38:44.920 Lake Berryessa.

00:39:10.080 Don't get any idea.

00:39:11.240 So he whispers, I might be able to get that gun.

00:39:13.760 I'm not.

00:39:14.300 Don't get any ideas, buddy. 0.85

00:39:16.360 I killed a guard escaping from prison in Montana. 0.97

00:39:19.160 I'm not doing. 0.95

00:39:19.880 Okay.

00:39:20.180 So he drops a clue there. 0.52

00:39:22.460 I killed a guard escaping from jail in Montana.

00:39:25.180 We're going to go into this in a little bit more detail on the police reports, guys,

00:39:27.840 which I have.

00:39:28.260 I'm not afraid to kill again. 0.61

00:39:33.380 Look away.

00:39:41.840 What was the name of that prison?

00:39:42.920 Hey, you said it was in Montana, right?

00:39:51.780 I'm taking your car.

00:39:53.620 I'm going to Mexico.

00:39:55.640 We didn't complain.

00:39:56.640 You tied our hands.

00:39:57.980 Okay.

00:39:58.160 You have everything that I have.

00:40:00.060 We have done everything that you've asked.

00:40:02.720 It's okay.

00:40:03.340 So tied your lips, didn't you?

00:40:06.580 All right.

00:40:09.700 Get on your stomach so I can tell your feet.

00:40:12.140 Okay.

00:40:12.800 It gets really cold out here at night.

00:40:14.520 We could freeze.

00:40:17.880 Throws it down anyway. 1.00

00:40:20.520 Fuck your warmth, I guess. 1.00

00:40:24.460 Are you all done? 1.00

00:40:28.220 You know, just because people are going to ask.

00:40:29.660 So he looks to see if anybody else is there.

00:40:32.340 That right there.

00:40:34.220 Red flag.

00:40:35.500 Was that thing even loaded?

00:40:39.120 He goes ahead and shows him the gun.

00:40:41.380 It was loaded.

00:40:42.240 It's okay.

00:40:50.400 It's all going to be okay.

00:40:51.940 All right.

00:40:52.420 Viewer discretion is advised for what you guys are about to see right now.

00:40:55.620 I'll play it one time all the way through.

00:40:57.620 And then I'll show you guys something that I noticed that was very important

00:41:01.480 that is also going to be shown in the police reports when we go through it.

00:41:03.700 All right.

00:41:22.480 So I'm going to play that back one more time.

00:41:24.640 I know, very disturbing.

00:41:27.160 All right.

00:41:27.880 What I want you guys to notice.

00:41:29.040 And that's what makes this scene so eerie.

00:41:32.560 You know, just because people are going to ask.

00:41:33.580 Was that thing even loaded?

00:41:36.340 Right.

00:41:36.860 Is that there's no music.

00:41:39.720 There's no weird theatrics.

00:41:42.280 They're just.

00:41:43.380 It's just.

00:41:44.140 All you can hear is the sound of nature.

00:41:46.580 Them breathing and screaming and being nervous.

00:41:49.680 Then all of a sudden.

00:41:51.600 It's all going to be okay.

00:41:53.800 And she's the knife. 0.99

00:41:56.000 You start stabbing him.

00:41:57.160 So Hartnell is smart. 0.93

00:42:00.120 He realizes.

00:42:01.520 That he's.

00:42:02.620 That. 1.00

00:42:02.880 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:42:03.380 This guy's trying to kill us. 1.00

00:42:04.360 Right. 0.95

00:42:04.540 At this point.

00:42:06.740 And he shuts up.

00:42:07.860 He stops screaming.

00:42:08.820 Right.

00:42:09.100 And plays dead.

00:42:10.440 However, Cecilia.

00:42:12.800 Doesn't.

00:42:14.480 Stabs her.

00:42:15.040 And she starts squirming around. 1.00

00:42:17.960 And he flips her over and starts stabbing her. 0.65

00:42:20.040 Right.

00:42:20.380 Which is very.

00:42:22.420 And that.

00:42:23.700 She ended up stabbing her ten times. 0.86

00:42:25.420 And Hartnell only six.

00:42:26.420 And Hartnell ended up surviving.

00:42:28.140 Because he just played dead.

00:42:29.640 Right.

00:42:31.120 So.

00:42:33.780 Now.

00:42:35.760 This is the vehicle here.

00:42:37.280 Right.

00:42:37.700 That they came in.

00:42:38.420 This guy has like a fetish card.

00:42:46.380 Yeah.

00:42:47.220 Yeah, he does.

00:42:47.900 And then also.

00:42:48.640 I don't know why.

00:42:49.320 I think the vehicle was actually an organ plate.

00:42:51.160 I don't mean to be picky here.

00:42:53.020 But that's fine.

00:42:54.820 Everything else is pretty accurate.

00:42:56.840 Serial killer writes this on their vehicle.

00:42:59.580 Okay.

00:43:00.320 You guys can see here.

00:43:02.040 Vallejo.

00:43:03.100 Right.

00:43:03.580 He puts his.

00:43:04.120 The infamous target symbol.

00:43:07.040 That the Zodiac goes by.

00:43:09.760 12, 20, 68.

00:43:11.580 You know.

00:43:11.860 The murder of the first couple.

00:43:13.360 Then.

00:43:14.100 July 4th, 1969. 0.99

00:43:15.600 When he kills. 0.74

00:43:16.340 The other. 1.00

00:43:18.880 The female. 0.87

00:43:19.540 But not the guy.

00:43:20.180 Which we showed you the clip before.

00:43:21.960 Right.

00:43:22.180 Vallejo lives.

00:43:23.000 But.

00:43:24.340 Darlene dies.

00:43:25.460 Then.

00:43:25.940 September 27th, 1969.

00:43:28.080 6.30 p.m.

00:43:29.120 And he writes.

00:43:30.640 By knife.

00:43:32.360 Okay.

00:43:33.060 And.

00:43:33.700 Very interestingly enough.

00:43:34.680 The police did not disclose this part.

00:43:36.600 To the public.

00:43:37.800 Because they wanted the killer to come forward.

00:43:39.720 Right.

00:43:40.580 And say.

00:43:42.360 Oh yeah.

00:43:42.960 I did it by knife.

00:43:43.700 Etc.

00:43:43.940 So that they can go ahead.

00:43:45.080 And know who the person potentially was.

00:43:46.560 Because at this point.

00:43:47.340 They were.

00:43:47.800 They believed that they were.

00:43:49.160 Tracking a serial killer.

00:43:50.780 Okay.

00:43:52.040 Now.

00:43:52.400 What I'm going to show y'all.

00:43:54.560 Is the actual crime scene pictures.

00:43:57.020 From that event.

00:43:59.280 Okay.

00:44:00.480 As y'all can see.

00:44:01.780 Here is.

00:44:04.500 This is where the attack happened.

00:44:06.440 Here is.

00:44:07.660 And I'll enlarge this for y'all real fast.

00:44:10.860 Here's.

00:44:11.520 Cecilia Shepard.

00:44:12.940 Hartnell.

00:44:13.700 Right.

00:44:16.000 And it's kind of funny.

00:44:17.120 Because they said that they were lovers.

00:44:18.380 They were more like.

00:44:18.980 More platonic friends guys.

00:44:19.960 To be honest with y'all.

00:44:20.640 But I guess maybe for cinematic purposes.

00:44:22.080 They wanted to.

00:44:22.940 To illustrate.

00:44:23.600 That.

00:44:24.180 To get you more involved.

00:44:25.700 Here's the actual rope.

00:44:26.660 That they had as evidence.

00:44:28.180 Here's the tire tracks.

00:44:29.300 Behind the vehicle.

00:44:30.560 Do they have the license plate?

00:44:31.340 Is that a California plate?

00:44:32.840 Let's see here.

00:44:36.880 Oh.

00:44:37.300 Okay.

00:44:37.500 Maybe they were accurate about that. 0.78

00:44:38.540 That's my bad.

00:44:39.360 And then here's the tire tracks.

00:44:40.500 Right.

00:44:41.840 From.

00:44:42.320 The other vehicle.

00:44:43.100 That was parked behind them.

00:44:46.140 Right.

00:44:47.420 And he claimed.

00:44:48.320 The man claimed to have been.

00:44:49.220 An escaped convict.

00:44:50.000 From Deer Lodge, Montana.

00:44:51.240 Which is.

00:44:52.060 Right here.

00:44:52.480 Okay. 0.99

00:44:53.140 Out in the middle of fucking nowhere. 1.00

00:44:54.360 Deer Lodge. 1.00

00:44:54.700 The city and county.

00:44:55.680 Sea of Powell, Montana.

00:44:56.860 United States.

00:44:57.300 Publishment was 2,938.

00:44:59.460 At the 2000.

00:45:00.420 At the 2020 census. 0.99

00:45:01.440 God damn. 0.99

00:45:02.460 And back then in the 60s. 0.99

00:45:03.580 Probably had less people. 0.98

00:45:04.700 Out there in the middle of fucking nowhere. 0.99

00:45:06.560 Right. 0.99

00:45:08.460 Anyway.

00:45:08.820 I would escape too.

00:45:11.620 All right.

00:45:13.160 And he took.

00:45:14.660 Hartnell's car keys and money.

00:45:16.020 To which Brian Hartnell duly obliged.

00:45:17.740 It was only 75 cents by the way guys.

00:45:19.260 And we'll see that here in a police report in a little bit.

00:45:21.760 And then.

00:45:23.480 And then here's the actual.

00:45:25.520 What they took off of the vehicle.

00:45:27.700 The door.

00:45:28.760 Right.

00:45:30.940 This is a remake.

00:45:31.880 Here's the actual thing.

00:45:35.100 Right.

00:45:35.340 Clicked.

00:45:35.640 This is the actual.

00:45:38.380 Crime scene photo.

00:45:39.260 And some people.

00:45:45.940 Right.

00:45:46.460 After the attack.

00:45:47.080 The killer drove.

00:45:48.260 To one, two, three, one.

00:45:49.620 Main Street.

00:45:50.140 Phone booth.

00:45:50.540 27 miles away.

00:45:51.560 In downtown Napa.

00:45:52.320 And placed a call at 740 p.m.

00:45:53.940 To the Napa Police Department.

00:45:55.380 Claiming responsibility.

00:45:56.800 And knowledge of the latest attack.

00:45:58.720 Relief police attack.

00:46:00.180 Dispatcher.

00:46:00.660 Dave Slate.

00:46:01.540 Took the call.

00:46:02.160 And heard the killer.

00:46:03.180 Out of the words.

00:46:04.260 I want to report a murder.

00:46:05.820 No.

00:46:06.400 A double murder.

00:46:07.600 They are two miles north.

00:46:08.680 Of Parkhead.

00:46:09.260 Quarters.

00:46:09.880 They were in a white Volkswagen.

00:46:11.800 Carmen Ghia.

00:46:13.560 And after a brief pause.

00:46:14.620 Uttered the words.

00:46:15.700 I am the one that did it.

00:46:17.320 Now what I'm going to do for y'all real fast.

00:46:19.600 Is I'm going to go ahead.

00:46:20.880 And play.

00:46:21.880 The rendition of that call.

00:46:30.320 Napa Police Department.

00:46:32.480 I want to report a murder.

00:46:34.140 No.

00:46:35.240 A double murder.

00:46:36.900 And the way they were rescued.

00:46:38.080 Was they were able to get.

00:46:38.980 I think a boatman.

00:46:39.800 Or a hunter.

00:46:40.840 They were screaming.

00:46:41.680 After they got attacked.

00:46:42.720 And he came.

00:46:43.600 And helped them.

00:46:44.080 And they were able to get themselves untied.

00:46:46.160 And Hartnell fortunately.

00:46:47.060 Was able to survive the attack.

00:46:48.480 They are two miles north.

00:46:51.540 At the parking headquarters.

00:46:53.800 They were in a white.

00:46:54.700 I'm the one that did it.

00:47:00.920 Now they were able to go ahead.

00:47:08.440 And get a sketch.

00:47:10.120 Right.

00:47:10.780 Of the individual that they thought could have been the guy.

00:47:14.020 All right.

00:47:14.880 Right here.

00:47:16.020 Lake Berry has a sketch derived from the eyewitnesses.

00:47:18.700 And let's see here.

00:47:22.160 And where he made this phone call real quick.

00:47:23.740 I'll show you guys where he made this phone call from.

00:47:25.760 It was right.

00:47:26.800 Here.

00:47:30.860 This is the area he made the phone call from.

00:47:32.940 Which obviously has changed.

00:47:34.100 This is 2021.

00:47:35.160 But this is where he made the phone call from.

00:47:39.380 Okay.

00:47:40.720 One two five zero main street.

00:47:43.380 Because back then guys.

00:47:44.500 Right.

00:47:44.680 For all you guys out there.

00:47:45.500 All you young boys out there.

00:47:47.500 Not everyone had cell phones.

00:47:49.140 Okay.

00:47:49.520 In the 60s.

00:47:50.200 Cell phones weren't a thing.

00:47:51.220 You had to use pay phones to make phone calls.

00:47:53.140 And or use a landline.

00:47:54.660 So.

00:47:54.960 It was very popular to have quarters on you.

00:47:57.440 Right.

00:47:57.760 Like Hartnell for example.

00:47:58.680 Only had 75 cents on him.

00:47:59.960 It was very popular to have quarters on you back then.

00:48:02.840 To be able to make phone calls.

00:48:04.540 Because no one had cell phones back then.

00:48:06.120 Or using a.

00:48:07.020 You know.

00:48:07.420 The phone at an establishment.

00:48:08.720 Etc.

00:48:09.740 All right.

00:48:10.280 This whole cell phone thing is fairly new.

00:48:12.760 Guys.

00:48:13.660 All right.

00:48:14.040 So let's go back.

00:48:17.400 To this.

00:48:19.280 Also.

00:48:20.920 When they examined the wounds.

00:48:22.400 Inflicted on Ms. Shepard.

00:48:23.320 It was his opinion that the weapon used would be.

00:48:25.360 From nine to 11 inches in length.

00:48:27.080 And one inch in width.

00:48:28.000 And possibly sharpened on both sides of the top of the blade.

00:48:29.860 Similar to a bayonet type weapon.

00:48:31.240 In addition.

00:48:31.700 The wounds indicated.

00:48:32.820 It would be a heavy or sturdy type blade.

00:48:36.500 Okay.

00:48:37.040 And then.

00:48:37.840 I'm going to go ahead and show you guys the news footage.

00:48:39.720 From Hartnell.

00:48:41.100 When he survived.

00:48:42.520 So Hartnell ended up serving.

00:48:43.920 Surviving.

00:48:44.980 And they got an interview with him.

00:48:47.640 Post attack.

00:48:49.540 Enough.

00:48:50.440 To link the murderer of Celia Shepard.

00:48:52.540 To other murders in the Vallejo area.

00:48:54.280 In the past year.

00:48:56.100 Anywhere in the bay area.

00:48:57.060 He should go to the nearest law enforcement agency.

00:49:01.220 And turn himself in.

00:49:03.480 Yeah.

00:49:03.960 He ain't going to do that.

00:49:04.800 Nope.

00:49:05.720 And we will.

00:49:06.960 Try to do whatever we can to help this man.

00:49:09.480 Yeah.

00:49:18.720 And they purposely concealed that.

00:49:20.480 So they wouldn't see the knife part.

00:49:24.080 Does it seem to you as if.

00:49:28.160 You're pretty much on the verge of finding this man.

00:49:30.520 Well I wouldn't want to say that Dave.

00:49:35.320 We're hoping.

00:49:37.240 We've got some good things working for us.

00:49:40.580 But it takes time.

00:49:41.980 And to be able to reach out and pluck this guy out of the air isn't done.

00:49:45.720 And in most murder cases you'll find a motive. 0.85

00:49:50.200 But of course this guy is just a killer. 1.00

00:49:52.680 A mad killer. 1.00

00:49:54.040 And you have no motive.

00:49:55.400 So it makes it a little bit harder for us to track him down.

00:49:59.280 It's also fairly obvious that the man greatly enjoys the publicity that surrounds this thing.

00:50:09.160 A little bit of silence there.

00:50:10.680 And there's a chance that man.

00:50:12.360 1960s technology guys.

00:50:13.840 Could be watching this interview.

00:50:14.960 That's true.

00:50:16.500 What would you have to say to this man?

00:50:20.860 About the only thing I could say to him.

00:50:24.200 I think he realizes he needs help.

00:50:27.120 I'm sure he does.

00:50:29.040 And I'm sure he realizes what he's doing.

00:50:31.500 And this is to me.

00:50:33.440 It's a sex crime.

00:50:35.000 He's doing this for gratification.

00:50:37.340 And I feel that he should definitely seek aid.

00:50:41.420 At any agency that he wants to go to in law enforcement.

00:50:45.020 Also, I want to make this mention as well, guys.

00:50:51.760 That's very important observation here.

00:50:53.260 The roadway observations of the Zodiac crosshairs and dates on the car door occurred after 8 p.m.

00:51:00.980 Once the ambulance had departed the scene, making any Zodiac style payphone message, SM40 undoubtedly the attacker at the lake and one perpetrator of the crime and call.

00:51:08.720 The silent left visible footprints to and from the crime scene, later believed to be a 10 and a half style military boot called wing walkers.

00:51:18.000 Guys, this is a very important detail.

00:51:20.700 Okay, because these boots are from the military.

00:51:24.360 Okay, the Navy to be specific, the distance from the Carmen Gia, which is a vehicle to the crime scene was approximately 510 yards.

00:51:32.080 But what became familiar became a familiar trait throughout the Zodiac investigation.

00:51:36.340 And the killer left the message this time written on the couple's car with a black marker pen.

00:51:40.440 It read Vallejo 12 2068 7469 September 27th 1969 630 p.m.

00:51:46.580 By knife, which was the last attack he did, but the wing walkers, okay, are right here. 1.00

00:51:56.040 They're a type of combat boot, okay, designed for paratroopers featuring calf length lacing.

00:52:01.620 Well, actually, it's a jump boot, but let me go back here.

00:52:04.580 They might have put the wrong link there, but but he left those footprints at the scene.

00:52:09.980 Okay, and these boots guys, you really can't get them unless you're in the military and they were size 10 and a half.

00:52:15.920 All right, so now they know approximately how tall the guy is.

00:52:19.260 They know that he's obese to some degree.

00:52:20.660 He's kind of fatter, okay, and they know that he wears a size 10 and a half, all right, and they know he has brown hair.

00:52:27.880 And it's a little bit longer because Cecilia, before she died, right, when she was interviewed, said that she remembered that he had something like clip-on glasses over his mask, but she could see brown hair draping over his eyes.

00:52:39.160 Okay, which is terrifying, but let's go back to this interview here.

00:52:46.100 And we won't play the whole thing, guys, but they actually interview Hartnell here.

00:52:52.340 Let me fast forward this a little bit, 1960s.

00:52:54.760 If I remember right.

00:52:57.680 So there's Hartnell right there, obviously.

00:53:00.240 They didn't waste no time.

00:53:01.120 They went right to the hospital.

00:53:03.080 In speaking with one of the deputies who was investigating this thing, he said that the first thing you told a deputy out there was to give some idea of a description of the man.

00:53:14.100 Do you understand now how your mind was able to work that well under those conditions?

00:53:18.960 You really did an exceptional job in that.

00:53:22.700 Well, through the whole thing, like I mentioned before, at the beginning, I did think I was going to die.

00:53:28.420 And so from that moment on, one has to have certain goals that you have to set.

00:53:33.060 The first goal, of course, was to live.

00:53:36.340 I suppose the second goal was to get untied.

00:53:40.680 The next one was to get help.

00:53:42.240 I'm getting help, getting to the hospital.

00:53:45.880 You know, you have to have a successive set of goals.

00:53:49.340 And if you can keep this going and you can keep your mind active, I don't, whether you die or not, you're at least psychologically attuned, whether you're in shock or not.

00:54:01.760 If you can keep arguing with yourself, praying, doing anything to keep your mind off of yourself or at least just not lapsing back and just saying, well, it's no use.

00:54:13.280 It's no use.

00:54:17.280 1960s technology once again, guys.

00:54:20.580 There's where they were at the hospital.

00:54:22.500 All the get well cards.

00:54:30.200 Brian will probably be able to leave Queen of the Valley Hospital fairly soon.

00:54:34.920 But where he's going from here is being kept secret in the event that the man who attacked him and killed Cecilia Shepard on Lake Berryessa a week ago Saturday tries again.

00:54:46.420 Brian made it for two reasons some people might regard as intangibles, but reasons that for him were enough.

00:54:53.380 A strong faith and an equally strong will to live.

00:54:56.660 Dave Monsies, Eyewitness News, at Queen of the Valley Hospital, Napa.

00:55:05.900 You know that this man is still at large and that there is a better than average possibility that this could be the same man who was involved in four murders over in Vallejo.

00:55:21.180 Can you think of anything that you might want to tell that man at all?

00:55:26.660 What he ended up saying is he prays for him.

00:55:33.340 I don't know why.

00:55:35.600 It's like.

00:55:36.780 A robber.

00:55:37.320 I had absolutely no thought.

00:55:38.940 Okay.

00:55:40.280 No thought.

00:55:41.180 So he thought he was a robber at first.

00:55:42.880 That he was anything but that.

00:55:45.600 Remember, he comes up to them and says, yo, give me your car keys.

00:55:48.380 I want to go to Mexico and your money.

00:55:49.900 We're at this robbery stage.

00:55:50.940 I didn't consider any real threat to my life or to the girl or anything.

00:55:54.280 I really didn't consider this, but I really wanted to help him.

00:55:58.640 Did he seem as though he would like your help at all?

00:56:02.140 No, he didn't.

00:56:02.800 And he didn't even end up taking the money.

00:56:06.500 There are no grudge.

00:56:07.860 Well, of course not.

00:56:08.680 But I don't I don't think that that he was acting under his total, complete, total, complete consciousness.

00:56:16.780 And you imagine that someone stabs you and kills your friend and he's still so nice about it.

00:56:21.540 Like, that's incredible.

00:56:22.860 Like, because, guys, he's still in the hospital.

00:56:24.520 This is probably like, what, a week or two, maybe after he got stabbed and he's still being compassionate to this guy.

00:56:29.020 Obviously, he's sick to some degree.

00:56:30.920 So you don't see that much in people.

00:56:34.940 When a man is, if you don't mind using the word sick, you can't you can't hold this against them.

00:56:41.800 But the real concern that I have is that he doesn't do this again.

00:56:45.240 I would like I I'd like to see some people save this this experience.

00:56:56.220 Early last Saturday evening, Celia Shepard and Brian Hartnell, both in their early 20s, were sitting on this knoll of land overlooking part of Lake Berryessa.

00:57:05.960 They thought they were alone, but there was a third man on this knoll, a man who wore a medieval style executioner's hood, carried a knife and gun and intended to use them.

00:57:22.960 Hey, nothing out there, man.

00:57:26.140 Nothing out there.

00:57:29.220 That's one of the worst places to get attacked.

00:57:31.120 Here's patrol on this lake, and I've seen a lot of people cut up by boat accidents in this.

00:57:36.040 But this is one of the worst things I ever witnessed for no reason at all. 0.90

00:57:40.800 Just a hooded man came up with a pistol drawn on him, tied him up and then told him he had to kill him. 0.97

00:57:53.980 There's no doubt about it.

00:57:55.120 Is there any doubt in your mind that there is or is not any connection between Vallejo and Lake Berryessa?

00:58:01.120 Well, this, we're sifting out now.

00:58:03.940 I wouldn't say that there is any connection, yet I wouldn't want to tell you that there isn't at this time.

00:58:10.220 We have some pretty good physical evidence that we're working on now.

00:58:14.660 And, of course, we're going to get together with the Vallejo authorities.

00:58:17.620 We've been in contact with them since the incident, and we definitely will pool our resources.

00:58:25.420 We found this young girl in on the shoreline here, all stabbed in several places.

00:58:41.480 And her boyfriend, male companion, came to from, he had been stabbed, and he had taken off for help.

00:58:51.040 And the other patrolman came in, which is Dennis Lamb.

00:58:54.860 He found him some hundred yards from here, passed out.

00:58:58.260 So he brought him back to the scene of the, where the girl was.

00:59:01.600 Once again, 60s technology, I got you.

00:59:08.820 The subject stated, I want to report a murder.

00:59:12.600 No, a double murder.

00:59:14.100 They are about two miles above Park Headquarters in Lake Berryessa, and they are driving a Volkswagen Carmen Ghia.

00:59:24.920 And with that, the officer asked, well, where are you now?

00:59:28.240 And he stated, I did it.

00:59:32.140 And with that, the officer could feel that there was nobody on the line.

00:59:36.160 He said, are you there?

00:59:37.280 Are you there?

00:59:37.780 And there was no answer. 0.98

00:59:39.840 Crazy, man.

00:59:40.660 So, what also I want to show y'all is, so obviously that's the wing walker boot that I talked about, 10 and a half, right?

00:59:52.280 Which is a military thing.

00:59:53.800 One thing that I want to draw to your guys' attention, so this is a police report here, right?

00:59:57.180 The original police report that occurred on Lake Berryessa, okay?

01:00:02.940 And as you guys can see, there's 35 plus pages here.

01:00:05.580 You know, they did forensic reports and everything.

01:00:07.040 But something that I want to draw to your guys' attention is this right here.

01:00:13.940 Kind of show you guys how much of a crazy individual this guy was.

01:00:17.460 Victim Hartnell then stated that without warning, the suspect, okay, suspect had, let's see here.

01:00:23.420 Victim asked suspect if suspect's gun was loaded.

01:00:25.920 Suspect removed magazine from handle of pistol and showed the victim a bullet removed from the gun.

01:00:31.060 Bullet described as a possible .45 caliber.

01:00:33.120 Victim did not know what caliber the pistol was.

01:00:35.020 Suspect had Ms. Shepard tie Hartnell's hands behind him. 1.00

01:00:39.120 Suspect then tied victim Shepard's hands, then retied Hartnell's hands, then tied both victims' ankles together.

01:00:45.940 So he hogtied them.

01:00:47.000 Had victims lie on their stomachs.

01:00:48.940 Hartnell stated, suspect said, I'm getting nervous.

01:00:52.780 Okay?

01:00:53.480 So he got nervous after they were tied up.

01:00:56.020 Wasn't nervous before.

01:00:57.640 Was nervous after they were tied up.

01:01:00.300 All right?

01:01:00.480 So that should let you know that there's something sinister was about to occur.

01:01:02.900 However, this was when the suspect was tying Ms. Shepard's hands.

01:01:06.700 In fact, Hartnell stated, suspect got real shaky when he was tying Ms. Shepard's hands.

01:01:13.120 Victim Hartnell then stated that without warning, the suspect plunged his knife into the back of Hartnell.

01:01:18.420 Suspect did this repeatedly.

01:01:19.860 Hartnell stated he'd think six times.

01:01:21.760 Hartnell stated he pretended to be dead when the suspect went over to Ms. Shepard and stabbed Ms. Shepard repeatedly in the back.

01:01:27.700 And when Ms. Shepard turned her body over on back, suspect stabbed her in the lower abdomen. 1.00

01:01:34.160 Victim stated suspect stabbed Ms. Shepard much worse than him.

01:01:38.080 Suspect went into some sort of frenzy when stabbing Ms. Shepard. 0.99

01:01:41.680 Sick, man. 1.00

01:01:42.480 Sick. 0.99

01:01:42.700 And then victim Hartnell stated, suspect left the area after the stabbing.

01:01:49.000 Victim Hartnell held a boat offshore and told the man in the boat the couple needed help badly.

01:01:54.120 Victim stated the boat left the area, and he and the victim attempted to get help by crawling and walking to the road.

01:01:59.420 Victim believed he had walked to the road.

01:02:01.200 However, he had not gone too far from his wounded companion.

01:02:04.140 Victim stated he thought suspect had been with the couple for approximately 15 minutes from the time of observing the suspect until the suspect departed.

01:02:11.560 Okay, so the Zodiac was with them for about 15 minutes.

01:02:14.320 Victim stated, and guys, this is an actual police report from 1969, man.

01:02:23.120 Suspect did not take the wallet or victim's car keys.

01:02:25.840 Victim stated the man in a pickup truck found him on the road and called an ambulance.

01:02:29.500 Victim stated he estimated one hour in time was involved between the time he and Ms. Shepard were stabbed until help arrived.

01:02:36.080 Ms. Shepard is listed in critical condition.

01:02:38.520 All right, so the police report goes on, and I want to read you guys this chilling exchange, okay?

01:02:43.940 So this is a dialogue between unknown assailant and Brian Hartnell, okay, which the movie got mostly right.

01:02:48.120 But there's some things here, the key differences I kind of want to share with y'all.

01:02:52.040 All right, let's enlarge this bad boy real fast.

01:02:54.960 So Cecilia says, what do you want?

01:02:57.340 He says, now take it easy.

01:02:59.360 All I want is your money.

01:03:00.560 There's nothing to worry about.

01:03:01.860 All I want is your money.

01:03:03.960 Brian goes, okay, whatever you say, I want you to know that I will cooperate so you don't have to worry.

01:03:09.420 Whatever you say, we'll do.

01:03:10.960 Do you want us to come up with our hands up or down?

01:03:14.580 Just don't make any fast moves.

01:03:16.040 Come up slowly.

01:03:16.640 And that's from the Zodiac.

01:03:17.820 So Brian goes, but we don't have any money.

01:03:19.880 All I have is 75 cents.

01:03:21.760 Do me a favor real quick.

01:03:22.640 Can you Google, Annie, 75 cents in 1969 to today?

01:03:27.080 What, inflation calculator?

01:03:28.460 Because, you know, we might say 75 cents in 2022 and be like, ha-ha, that's nothing.

01:03:34.900 But guys, back then, 75 cents was something.

01:03:36.920 All right?

01:03:37.380 Inflation is real.

01:03:39.100 Yeah, 75 cents.

01:03:39.980 Just Google it.

01:03:40.780 Yeah, 75 cents in 2022 today.

01:03:43.460 In 1969 to today.

01:03:45.100 All right.

01:03:45.760 So he goes, that doesn't matter.

01:03:47.880 Every little bit helps.

01:03:49.280 Pause.

01:03:50.200 I'm on my way to Mexico.

01:03:51.900 I escaped from Deer Lodge Prison in Montana.

01:03:54.640 Deer Lodge, I need some money to get there.

01:03:57.740 You're welcome to the money.

01:04:00.300 And Brian goes, you're welcome to the money I have, but isn't there something else I can

01:04:03.640 do for you?

01:04:04.280 Give you a check or get some more?

01:04:07.420 The sailor says, no.

01:04:09.240 I can give you my phone number and you can call me.

01:04:12.440 Zodiac doesn't reply.

01:04:14.200 Brian goes, I want to get in contact with you.

01:04:16.880 I'm a sociology major and maybe I can even offer you more help than you think you need.

01:04:22.040 Zodiac says, no.

01:04:23.820 And Brian goes, well, is there any other thing you need?

01:04:26.620 And he goes, the sailor goes, yes.

01:04:29.240 One more thing.

01:04:30.160 I want your car keys.

01:04:31.440 My car is hot.

01:04:33.400 Brian goes, reaching into his pockets, then padding first front, then back pockets.

01:04:39.240 I guess in all my excitement, I don't remember where I put them.

01:04:42.340 Let's see.

01:04:43.100 Are they in my shirt?

01:04:44.440 And I can't read this word here.

01:04:47.100 And OK, on the blanket say, would you answer a question for me?

01:04:51.760 I've always wondered, on TV movies and an article in the Reader's Digest, they say that thieves really keep their guns, rarely keep their guns loaded.

01:05:02.280 Is yours?

01:05:03.460 OK, so that's what Brian actually asked him.

01:05:05.100 Yo, is your gun actually loaded?

01:05:06.420 And the Zodiac, excited slightly, says, yes, it is.

01:05:11.600 Then, common matter of fact, I killed a couple of men before.

01:05:15.640 Brian goes, what?

01:05:16.620 I didn't hear you. 0.98

01:05:18.220 Zodiac replies, I killed a couple of guards getting out of prison and I'm not afraid to kill again. 0.93

01:05:24.140 Cecilia goes, Brian, do what he says. 0.98

01:05:27.460 Zodiac goes, now I want the girl to tie you up. 1.00

01:05:30.140 And then, um, Cecilia, right, reaches for rope that he pulls from the back pocket.

01:05:39.580 Brian goes, this is really strange.

01:05:41.220 I wonder why someone hasn't thought of this before.

01:05:43.580 I'll bet there's good money in it.

01:05:46.460 Zodiac, no response.

01:05:47.580 So he's trying to be funny, right, Brian?

01:05:49.420 As y'all can see, right, you guys saw his interview before.

01:05:51.360 He seems like a pretty, you know, cheery fellow.

01:05:54.260 What was the name of that prison?

01:05:55.820 He doesn't respond.

01:05:58.180 Brian goes, no, really?

01:06:00.140 What did you say the name of it was?

01:06:01.600 I'm just curious.

01:06:03.180 He gives the answer begrudgingly.

01:06:04.800 Dear Elijah Montana, there must have been some dialogue at this point, but I can't remember any until we are both tied up.

01:06:12.180 So they're making some small talk.

01:06:13.820 And obviously, guys, you can only imagine there's a bunch of adrenaline going on.

01:06:17.120 Small talk.

01:06:17.780 He's trying to kind of keep the guy talking, trying to build some kind of rapport with him.

01:06:20.840 Because at this point, he thinks he's just getting robbed, right?

01:06:22.780 He doesn't know what the hell is really going to happen.

01:06:24.620 All right.

01:06:25.360 Did you find out how much it is?

01:06:26.440 Yeah, it's like $7.

01:06:28.440 $7.

01:06:29.440 $7?

01:06:29.560 I was like, the inflation rate was like 4%.

01:06:32.960 Okay.

01:06:33.740 So $0.75 in 1969 to today is worth $7 today.

01:06:38.080 Okay.

01:06:38.780 So barely nothing, basically.

01:06:41.320 But that's still a big jump, though.

01:06:42.960 Yeah. 0.96

01:06:43.900 Damn near 7X. 0.99

01:06:44.760 Okay. 0.97

01:06:45.880 Now, like 8X.

01:06:47.880 Now he goes, now the Zodiac goes, now I want you both to lay face down so I can tie up your feet.

01:06:54.020 Brian goes, come on.

01:06:55.500 We could be out here for a long time and it could get cold at night.

01:06:59.920 Come on.

01:07:00.560 Get down.

01:07:01.020 That's from the Zodiac. 0.96

01:07:02.000 Then Brian goes, listen, I didn't complain when we tied our hands, but this is ridiculous. 0.65

01:07:05.860 And then the assailant goes, I told you.

01:07:08.820 And then Brian goes, we aren't going anywhere.

01:07:10.400 Anyway, I don't think that it's necessary.

01:07:12.280 Or, oh, come on.

01:07:13.520 We don't want to.

01:07:15.040 And then the Zodiac pointed gun directly at me at point blank range.

01:07:19.640 I told you, get down. 1.00

01:07:20.880 So he gets a little bit more assertive now.

01:07:22.660 He ties me, then her.

01:07:24.200 So he ties him up first, then he ties her.

01:07:26.920 Your hands are shaking.

01:07:28.200 Are you nervous?

01:07:28.880 So Brian asked that to the killer.

01:07:31.700 Your hands are shaking.

01:07:32.720 Are you nervous?

01:07:33.460 He goes, yes, I guess so.

01:07:35.860 And then he laughs in a very relaxed manner.

01:07:40.600 Brian goes, well, I suppose that I'd be nervous, too.

01:07:43.980 Then after we were tied and hogtied, Brian goes, now that everything is all said and done, could you show me that your gun is loaded or probably this?

01:07:56.320 Now that is all said and done was the gun really loaded.

01:08:00.540 So basically, basically, he asked, can I see the gun?

01:08:03.260 And then the Zodiac says, yes, it was.

01:08:05.500 Or sure, I'll show you.

01:08:06.880 One of those things.

01:08:08.000 He then opened the cartridge or whatever.

01:08:09.920 And then that was the last thing I remember him saying.

01:08:12.880 Signed by Brian Hartnell.

01:08:14.140 So then that's when he starts going on his stabbing spree, which we talked about.

01:08:17.540 Right.

01:08:18.300 So that was a dialogue between the two.

01:08:20.740 OK.

01:08:21.580 And then here's some more stuff from the police report.

01:08:25.220 Right.

01:08:25.980 They're just pages and pages of this stuff.

01:08:30.200 And then one thing I also want to say that is also very interesting.

01:08:34.780 OK.

01:08:38.460 Is that Brian Hartnell described his attacker as having brown hair, 225 to 250 pounds in weight and 5 foot 8 to 5 foot 10 in height.

01:08:46.720 Guys, if you remember, this is an almost nearly identical description as who?

01:08:52.580 This guy right here.

01:08:55.500 Your boy, Maju.

01:08:58.020 He described him the same way.

01:09:05.500 5 foot 8, heavy set.

01:09:07.900 OK.

01:09:10.660 He said somewhere between 5'8 to 5'10 in height, but admitted he was bad judge of height because he was so tall.

01:09:15.460 Yeah.

01:09:16.240 Brian Hartnell was very tall.

01:09:18.120 Brian stated that the assailant had a unique way of talking with John Robertson, his interviewer, correcting himself, saying, Brian, you mentioned he had a draw.

01:09:23.600 Well, not a draw, an accent.

01:09:24.620 OK.

01:09:25.360 And then he also stated he wore a black hooded mask of a cloth material covering his entire head and shoulders and reaching down to the waist.

01:09:31.240 On the front of the four corner mask at the chest area was a white circle, three inches by three inches in diameter and a symmetrical cross.

01:09:37.900 And the police report, Brian Hartnell backed up Cecilia Shepard and stated.

01:09:43.520 And this is important.

01:09:45.780 He could see hair through the mask's eyelids and observed the hair to be dark brown.

01:09:51.180 Now, Brian Hartnell, Brian Hartnell, why is this thing freaking minus one?

01:09:59.260 OK, Brian Hartnell went on to say, I'll tell you another thing that probably made me think that it was somebody over there.

01:10:05.420 It wasn't an improved park site.

01:10:07.060 There wasn't regular established bathroom.

01:10:08.400 So if you had to go to the restroom, you'd kind of get out of eye shot of what of whoever you were with or go behind a tree like that.

01:10:15.440 So basically, the person followed them, whoever the hell this was, definitely followed them.

01:10:19.280 All right.

01:10:19.840 And then she was still conscious when they interviewed her.

01:10:22.860 And she said he may have been a little bit taller than him.

01:10:25.080 So maybe around five foot ten.

01:10:28.300 And then she died two days later from the attack.

01:10:35.100 Let's see here if there's anything else.

01:10:37.440 All right.

01:10:38.040 Cool.

01:10:38.220 I think we covered this attack.

01:10:42.120 Annie, what's your thoughts on this?

01:10:43.360 I know this bothered you quite a bit when we saw the clip.

01:10:46.780 The guy was like, I feel like I would have reacted the same as the guy.

01:10:53.000 Like, I feel like I would have been calm.

01:10:55.000 Yeah.

01:10:55.220 That's easy to say from hindsight, though.

01:10:56.920 Come on.

01:10:57.140 No, I know.

01:10:57.700 You can't stab in the back.

01:10:58.480 No, but I feel like that was like, I feel like that was like the best way to like react to.

01:11:04.940 Yeah, he was smart.

01:11:05.800 Yeah, he was smart.

01:11:07.060 But it's easy to say that in hindsight, like, you know, some dude in a mask is stabbing you in the back.

01:11:11.760 Like, your natural inkling is to, like, you know, turn around and try to wiggle away or whatever.

01:11:17.040 So I could see why she did that.

01:11:18.980 But he was very smart and controlled to be able to, like, like realize, OK, this guy's trying to kill us.

01:11:23.500 I'm just going to shut up and stay here and pretend I'm dead.

01:11:26.180 And if you guys remember in the first shooting, right?

01:11:30.340 Well, not the first shooting, the second shooting when he shot Majo and Darlene.

01:11:35.340 He came back to kill them because he can hear Majo groaning.

01:11:37.880 And so, you know, if he if he feels like he didn't finish the job, he's going to come back and shoot again or do whatever he's doing. 0.94

01:11:44.880 So he actually it worked out very well that he stayed quiet.

01:11:49.360 Yeah.

01:11:49.620 And also, I feel like.

01:11:50.900 Yeah.

01:11:52.180 No, I feel like when he said he got nervous because in the beginning, I feel like he thought that they were just getting robbed.

01:11:59.120 So I feel like that's why he was like, whatever, like, take whatever.

01:12:02.480 I don't care.

01:12:03.140 Yeah.

01:12:03.340 But then, like, he started to get nervous, like when they were, like, tying them up.

01:12:08.100 Yeah.

01:12:08.860 Yeah.

01:12:09.260 And he especially got nervous when he was tying Cecilia, which is which is, you know, obviously it kind of speaks to his character a bit.

01:12:17.340 All right. 0.99

01:12:17.880 Yo, guys, like the goddamn video, by the way. 0.99

01:12:19.620 So, OK, let's go ahead and get back into it. 0.99

01:12:21.480 So now we're going to get into the next murder.

01:12:23.000 OK, so we covered the Lake Berryessa case.

01:12:26.240 So we can recap that one real fast.

01:12:28.040 So let's actually know.

01:12:28.880 Yeah, let's recap.

01:12:30.080 We could recap Lake Berryessa or you know what?

01:12:34.180 No, we can.

01:12:35.080 We'll just move on to the next one and then I'll recap all the murders at once.

01:12:38.580 So the next one here, guys, is the next big murder that came that they were able to tie was.

01:12:49.320 Right here, Paul Stein, OK, killed October 11th, 1969 in San Francisco.

01:12:55.560 Approximately 955 p.m., the northeast corner of Washington and Cherry Street in Presidio Heights neighborhood of San Francisco, California, a very wealthy neighborhood.

01:13:02.580 By the way, guys, cab driver Paul Stein, age 29, was shot once in the head at point blank range.

01:13:08.000 The weapon was a nine millimeter semi automatic pistol, not the same nine millimeter used in the Farron murder.

01:13:12.460 There were three witnesses from a house on the southeast corner of the intersection.

01:13:17.740 OK, so what I'm going to do, let me show you guys the clip and then we'll go ahead and.

01:13:23.120 I'll show the clip for you out from the movie and then we'll get into the evidence.

01:13:30.140 The man, they print his letters or he'd kill more people.

01:13:33.260 Yeah, but he would have done it anyway, whether they printed it or not.

01:13:36.100 So there's Paul Stein.

01:13:37.460 Here's the Zodiac in the back.

01:13:39.180 An interesting point.

01:13:40.580 So what do you think he'll do next? 1.00

01:13:43.100 Bam, shoots him in the back of the head. 1.00

01:13:45.460 Killed him. 1.00

01:13:45.940 Now, pay attention. 0.94

01:13:50.000 He had that white and blue striped shirt.

01:14:07.760 So what is he doing right now, guys?

01:14:09.740 He's ripping off a piece of Paul Stein's shirt.

01:14:13.780 San Francisco Police Department.

01:14:15.000 So people here, the gunshots, they're calling the cops.

01:14:17.760 What is your location?

01:14:20.580 3390 at Washington at the corner of the street.

01:14:23.560 When can we think he's robbing him?

01:14:25.640 Is the crime still in progress?

01:14:26.700 Yes, please hurry.

01:14:37.020 So he wipes the car down a bit.

01:14:42.620 Then he just walks off.

01:14:45.000 Now, if you guys remember, right?

01:14:52.220 This picture right here, this infamous photo came from this attack.

01:14:59.640 All right?

01:15:00.720 The three witnesses that saw him described the Zodiac.

01:15:04.520 And this is the description they gave.

01:15:06.040 Crew cut, a little bit bigger.

01:15:08.840 Glasses, creases in the forehead.

01:15:10.180 All right?

01:15:11.660 All right?

01:15:19.400 All right.

01:15:20.020 And then David Tasha gets involved in the case.

01:15:22.520 Who was the detective involved in this investigation on the Zodiac killer from the San Francisco side.

01:15:28.160 So, I got some crime scene photos for y'all here.

01:15:31.420 Actually, no.

01:15:33.880 Let's go ahead and read through that one, this here first.

01:15:38.520 All right.

01:15:38.660 So, here's Paul Stein, right?

01:15:41.260 So, here's the detail.

01:15:43.300 Stein's cab was hailed at Mason and Greary Streets with the intended destination being Washington and Maple Streets near Presidio.

01:15:49.240 Where is that exactly?

01:15:50.500 Right here, guys.

01:15:51.700 This is where the murder occurred.

01:15:53.960 Right?

01:15:54.760 Pretty much right here.

01:15:55.940 On this corner.

01:15:57.060 And then the killer walked off in this direction here.

01:16:01.220 Okay?

01:16:01.740 And this is it in 2022.

01:16:04.500 And the witnesses were right, from what I understand, here.

01:16:11.260 Okay?

01:16:12.000 This is where the witnesses were that saw him.

01:16:14.180 And you can see they would have a good vantage point because they can look right down and see him right there.

01:16:20.300 Which is when the movie, that's where you guys were able to kind of see the same angle.

01:16:23.580 Very similar angle.

01:16:25.120 All right?

01:16:30.480 Okay.

01:16:32.300 So, Stein's wallet and keys were taken and a large portion of his shirt was carefully torn off.

01:16:38.220 And there's his bloody shirt.

01:16:39.440 You guys know. 0.68

01:16:40.140 White and blue.

01:16:41.580 Okay?

01:16:42.320 Piece of evidence.

01:16:43.160 And you can see the cut on the shirt right here.

01:16:46.820 All right. 0.99

01:16:48.760 Sick individual. 0.99

01:16:49.560 Obviously wanted to take his, uh, his, his, uh, oh, my bad. 0.97

01:16:54.960 He wanted to get, he wanted to basically take a piece with him.

01:16:58.620 All right.

01:17:00.480 Uh, bloody fingerprints potentially of the suspect were recovered from the vehicle.

01:17:03.660 According to a police document, a pair of men's size seven black leather gloves was also found.

01:17:09.000 The three witnesses watched the suspect from approximately 60 feet away as he wiped down the cab with a cloth after killing Stein.

01:17:14.880 So, they got the bloody fingerprints off of the cab as well.

01:17:17.820 Okay?

01:17:18.280 So, they were able to get a partial print off the, off the cab.

01:17:21.200 And here they are right here.

01:17:24.040 Okay?

01:17:28.140 Um, after he killed Stein.

01:17:29.880 And then this is some graphic.

01:17:31.800 I actually, I actually got, got better res photos for you guys right here.

01:17:35.080 Here's some photos from the crime scene for y'all.

01:17:37.080 Uh, what about I show you is graphic, guys.

01:17:38.620 So, be prepared.

01:17:39.440 Here we go.

01:17:42.320 Actual crime scene footage, uh, photos.

01:17:51.740 And then, they found some glasses there as well.

01:17:55.160 And then blood pooling in the floorboard region.

01:17:57.780 All right.

01:17:58.240 This is the actual photograph of the scene from the cab.

01:18:01.860 There's, I think this is David Tosche right here, if I'm not mistaken.

01:18:05.080 And I'll go ahead and give y'all real quick.

01:18:08.100 David.

01:18:09.440 Tosche.

01:18:14.340 There we go.

01:18:15.060 Bam.

01:18:15.440 Here he is.

01:18:16.080 Uh, he was a detective for the San Francisco Police Department.

01:18:20.580 He was played in the movie, The Zodiac.

01:18:23.020 Okay?

01:18:23.440 Uh, he passed away, oh, 2018.

01:18:25.140 A couple years back.

01:18:26.220 Um, but yeah.

01:18:27.680 Uh, and as you guys know, San Francisco, they call the detectives inspectors.

01:18:31.500 Okay?

01:18:32.320 Uh, which is pretty unique.

01:18:33.820 But, this is him.

01:18:35.540 He was the main case, uh, detective for this investigation.

01:18:38.780 Out of San Francisco.

01:18:40.040 All right?

01:18:40.440 And he ended up working with a bunch of the other investigators out of Vallejo and Napa

01:18:45.360 Valley, et cetera, to try to figure out who the hell this guy was.

01:18:48.260 And we're going to get into that prime suspect here in a little bit.

01:18:51.940 Um, so, and we're about an hour in, by the way, guys.

01:18:55.720 So, like the video.

01:18:57.300 All right?

01:18:58.000 Uh, they called the police and described, uh, so they called the police, the witnesses,

01:19:01.160 right?

01:19:01.320 They called the police and described a white male, 25, 35 years old, 5'8 to 5'9, stocky

01:19:05.180 build, reddish brown hair, worn in a crew cut, heavy rimmed glasses, and a, and dark

01:19:10.120 clothing.

01:19:10.420 They last saw him casually walking north on Cherry Street.

01:19:14.000 Unfortunately.

01:19:14.560 So, he walked this way here, because I believe this is Cherry right here, if I'm not mistaken.

01:19:21.800 Let's look.

01:19:23.860 Because this is... 0.98

01:19:25.420 God damn it, there's no intersections. 0.98

01:19:34.320 Let me open this up a bit. 0.99

01:19:39.560 So, we're right here.

01:19:40.940 Yeah.

01:19:41.200 So, we started walking this way.

01:19:43.660 So, we started walking.

01:19:47.860 Yeah.

01:19:48.480 North on Cherry.

01:19:49.120 Yep.

01:19:49.740 So, we started going this way.

01:19:52.940 Uh...

01:19:55.420 Unfortunately, the police dispatcher mistakenly described the suspect as being a black male

01:20:02.440 adult.

01:20:03.120 Bro, this was a big... 0.99

01:20:04.920 A big fucking L. 0.99

01:20:09.620 This actually ended up potentially costing them catching the Zodiac killer. 0.99

01:20:14.220 This is probably one of the biggest blunders I've ever seen in my life.

01:20:17.520 Um, because he was in the area, and we're going to talk about this here in a second, and 0.97

01:20:21.380 the police actually fucking encountered him. 0.94

01:20:23.640 All right? 0.99

01:20:23.980 So, the police...

01:20:26.980 This is 1969.

01:20:29.020 Racial profiling was a thing. 0.90

01:20:30.700 Uh, you know, this wasn't a...

01:20:31.940 You know, black people were considered second-class citizens back then.

01:20:35.100 Okay?

01:20:36.620 As a result, when patrol officers Donald Fook and Eric Zelms minutes later observed a white

01:20:41.500 man walking east on Jackson Street, he was never stopped in question.

01:20:45.200 The officers did get a good look at him.

01:20:47.260 However, when the correct description of the suspect was finally broadcasted, the officers

01:20:51.420 realized they might have encountered him.

01:20:53.420 A search of the area where the man had been observed was conducted to no avail.

01:20:57.880 The man seen by Fook and Zelms was very similar to the suspect observed by the three witnesses.

01:21:02.220 He was white, 35 to 45 years old, 5'10", between 180 to 200 pounds, barrel-chested, with

01:21:08.140 light-colored, crew-cut hair, and wearing glasses.

01:21:11.240 The man didn't appear to be carrying anything, and no conversation between the man and the

01:21:14.560 officers took place.

01:21:15.320 The Stein murder was initially thought to be a routine cabbie killing, a robbery gone

01:21:19.740 bad.

01:21:20.240 However, on October 13, 1969, the San Francisco Chronicle received a letter from the Zodiac

01:21:24.880 containing a portion of a bloody shirt and taking credit for the killing.

01:21:31.680 So, there's that portion of that shirt that they found, and the police were able to match

01:21:36.560 it back up with the shirt, and they knew that it was, in fact, the Zodiac killer that

01:21:40.580 killed the cabbie.

01:21:41.860 Uh, SF inspectors Dave Tosche, as I showed you guys before, this is him, right?

01:21:49.040 This is him photographed, uh, in 1969, with a bow tie.

01:21:54.100 Uh, and Bill Armstrong, who were assigned the case, were shocked to realize the shirt belonged

01:21:57.660 to Stein.

01:21:58.220 Okay, and this is them showing up and matching the shirt back up.

01:22:02.580 Still later, Zodiac would claim he actually spoke with the patrolman the night of the

01:22:08.660 murder, leading them astray.

01:22:10.140 The three witnesses, though hampered by poor lighting conditions and fog during their observation

01:22:14.680 of the crime, work with police composite to put a face on the Zodiac.

01:22:18.680 And this is where this famous photograph came from.

01:22:21.060 Two days later, October 13, 1969, white male, 25, 35 years old, 5'8 to 5'9, reddish brown

01:22:26.080 hair, crew cut, heavy room glasses, navy blue or black jacket.

01:22:30.000 Suspect takes cab in downtown area at 9.30 p.m. and sits in front seat with driver, tells

01:22:35.720 driver destination in Washington and Laurel area, uh, near park or, uh, Presidio.

01:22:43.220 Upon reaching destination, suspect orders driver to continue on at gunpoint into or near

01:22:48.260 park where he perpetrates robbery.

01:22:49.960 In one case, victim was shot and head at contact victim's wallet and ID in the name of Paul

01:22:54.940 L. Stein and taxi cab keys missing.

01:22:58.420 So that's a little bit different than what the movie puts.

01:23:00.100 They say he reached the destination and then he ordered the driver to continue, uh, continue

01:23:04.080 on at gunpoint into or near park where he perpetrates the robbery.

01:23:08.840 And then suspect's lane lifts available for comparison, refer homicide case, robbery case.

01:23:16.160 And then inspectors Armstrong and Tashi homicide, uh, detail.

01:23:20.780 And then Thomas J. Cahill was a police, a chief of police back then.

01:23:25.200 All right.

01:23:26.780 Uh, a few days after the sketch was circulated throughout the Bay area in the form of a

01:23:31.660 wanted poster, the witness is requested the sketch be altered to make it more accurate.

01:23:36.380 Thus, another version was made.

01:23:37.680 So here's another version of the sketch, right?

01:23:39.960 So this is the original and then this is the amended one.

01:23:44.180 I guess it kind of, he had a little bit of a lazy eye, I guess they're trying to show

01:23:47.520 here.

01:23:48.600 Uh, wrinkles aren't the same.

01:23:50.860 Maybe lips aren't as pronounced.

01:23:53.860 So yeah, not too much of a difference here, but this is the sixties guys.

01:23:59.420 It's because sketches were a big thing, right?

01:24:02.280 Uh, thus another version was made more than a month after Stein's murder.

01:24:10.120 Officer Fook finally came forward about his possible encounter with the killer.

01:24:14.400 And then they closed the case in 2004.

01:24:16.720 Okay, guys, San Francisco police department.

01:24:18.900 So this is what officer Fook who said that he came in touch with, with the Zodiac killer

01:24:23.700 said, let's go ahead and enlarge this bad boy for y'all.

01:24:27.740 Well, this was reported a month later, Wednesday, November 12th, 1969.

01:24:35.040 Sir, I respectfully wish to report the following that responding to the area of Cherry and Washington

01:24:41.600 streets, a suspect fitting the description of the Zodiac killer was observed by officer

01:24:45.740 Fook walking in, and I think easterly direction is what that says on Jackson street and then

01:24:54.340 turn north on Maple street.

01:24:55.740 This subject was not stopped at the, uh, and the description received from communities, uh,

01:25:01.920 from communication was that of a Negro male when the right description was broadcasted,

01:25:07.380 reporting the officer informed communications that a possible suspect had been seen going

01:25:11.940 north on Maple street into the, into Presidio, the area of Julian can playground.

01:25:19.380 And a search was started, which had negative results.

01:25:22.720 Sorry guys, the prints here is very difficult to read.

01:25:24.720 The suspect was then observed by officer Fook, uh, was a white male, 35 to 45 years old,

01:25:30.300 about five foot 10, 180 to 200 pounds, medium to heavy build, barrel chested, medium complexion,

01:25:36.120 light colored hair, possibly graying in rear may have been light lighting that caused thin

01:25:41.800 effect.

01:25:42.180 Uh, crew cut, uh, crew cut wearing glasses, uh, dressed in dark blue and dark.

01:25:49.640 I don't see what was, no, what that says blue length nipper type jacket, Navy or Royal blue,

01:25:55.260 uh, climatic gloves may have been worn wearing low cut shoes subject at no time appeared to

01:26:04.620 be in a hurry, walked with a shuffling lope, slightly bent forward, head down.

01:26:08.740 The subject's general appearance to clarify, to classify him as a group would be that, uh,

01:26:17.420 night would be of Welsh ancestry.

01:26:20.680 My partner that night was officer E Helms badge number 1348 of Richmond station.

01:26:27.560 I do not know if he observed this subject or not.

01:26:30.740 And that comes from Donald Fook signed.

01:26:33.100 Okay.

01:26:34.360 So, you know, this was a big L on the part of San Francisco police department.

01:26:41.000 And this is an intro departmental memorandum, which means it's only internal.

01:26:44.820 So, uh, they were able to get ahold of this probably through freedom of information act.

01:26:48.300 Um, yeah, they need to fire the police. 0.99

01:26:54.840 Yeah, this was a much different time, man.

01:26:57.540 So, uh, here we go.

01:27:00.960 Why did he stop?

01:27:04.340 This has always been known as a city of mystery, and it seems now to have a new and real one on

01:27:09.640 its hands, five murders.

01:27:11.420 Hold on.

01:27:11.860 Let me enlarge this for y'all real fast. 0.94

01:27:16.720 Murders.

01:27:17.680 Somebody who says he committed all.

01:27:19.640 We're not going to watch all 30 minutes of it, guys, but this will give you a pretty good,

01:27:22.700 uh, um, I guess summary.

01:27:26.380 And we'll commit yet more.

01:27:28.400 A story goes on in San Francisco for the man known as the Zodiac Killer.

01:27:32.680 The element involved the death of the Zodiac, a symbol that now stands for terror in San

01:27:38.120 Francisco.

01:27:39.160 Today, there was a possibly significant development in the terrifying case of the man who calls

01:27:44.060 himself Zodiac.

01:27:45.920 The psychotic killer has already murdered five.

01:27:49.300 One at a lover's lane near a lake just north of San Francisco.

01:27:53.120 Three others in nearby Vallejo.

01:27:55.160 The latest, a taxi driver in San Francisco.

01:27:57.500 I was the first officer that responded on the scene.

01:28:04.460 I was working with an officer who has since deceased, Frank Peda, uh, an excellent police

01:28:11.600 officer.

01:28:12.680 And we responded to a radio call, told us that, uh, a cab driver was being robbed and

01:28:20.140 or possibly assaulted, uh, at the corner of Cherry and Washington streets in Pacific Heights.

01:28:32.980 We fortunately were very close and responded to that corner and were able to do so red light

01:28:40.360 and siren at 9 55 at night and got there very quickly.

01:28:45.260 I parked the car in the middle of the intersection facing a yellow cab that was, uh, sitting a little

01:28:53.180 bit back from the corner of, uh, Cherry street on Washington facing west on Washington.

01:29:01.520 Uh, there were three children that were heading over to that car.

01:29:06.680 They weren't too far away, but I'd say a good 15 or 16 feet away.

01:29:11.600 Uh, I made the assumption they were coming, uh, from the home on the corner and that was

01:29:17.740 correct.

01:29:18.300 And I heard them immediately back to that alcove.

01:29:22.760 Um, I didn't know if the suspect was still there, the description that came out over the

01:29:29.200 air was of an NMA Negro male adult at the time.

01:29:34.400 Um, the only person that could have given that information would have been the child who

01:29:42.080 called it into police dispatch, uh, whether somebody wrote it incorrectly and the child actually

01:29:51.640 said, white guy, I don't know.

01:29:55.900 My regular partner was off.

01:29:58.540 I don't recall the reason why he was not working that night.

01:30:04.220 However, Eric Zelms was assigned as my partner that night.

01:30:10.140 We were patrolling the Eastern side of the Richmond district going.

01:30:18.920 Very interesting.

01:30:19.540 Actually how they interview like officers that were there at the time.

01:30:23.880 Northbound on Presidio Avenue.

01:30:27.260 We had passed Washington street when a broadcast came in of a shooting at cherry and Washington

01:30:37.380 street.

01:30:38.180 Went over to the cab.

01:30:39.580 I could see Mr.

01:30:40.680 Paul Stein, who was slumped over the front seat with his head into the, the well on the

01:30:47.260 passenger side in the front, there was blood all over the cab on him.

01:30:54.560 And I was 99.9 certain.

01:30:56.300 He was dead.

01:30:57.040 Uh, and, uh, it was at that point that I retook the, um, description of the suspect.

01:31:05.800 And that's when I was told it was a white male.

01:31:08.180 I couldn't get to the radio fast enough at that point to let everybody else know.

01:31:14.060 The kids had told me that whoever had done this crime left the cab, went out the door, seemed

01:31:24.720 to be wiping the cab down, reaching into the cab, and then ambling or walking down Cherry

01:31:32.400 street in the northerly direction, kind of towards the Presidio.

01:31:37.560 I walked that way myself.

01:31:39.400 I did not run because there are innumerable alcoves and parked cars.

01:31:44.560 So I went down following every technique I knew.

01:31:48.280 So I didn't get my head blown off.

01:31:50.240 Cut down.

01:31:51.180 Which, you know, makes sense.

01:31:51.980 Obviously they're terrified at this point.

01:31:53.300 They just shot a cabbie point blank in the back of the head, right?

01:31:56.480 Blood everywhere.

01:31:57.200 So like, yo, is this guy still out there? 0.61

01:31:58.940 And mind you, at this point, right, they're not sure if it's a white dude or a black dude.

01:32:02.600 To the corner of Jackson Street.

01:32:05.980 Had to make a choice.

01:32:07.680 I was on the east side of the street.

01:32:09.240 So I turned right to the east.

01:32:11.220 Went up in that direction.

01:32:12.560 I couldn't see anybody in either direction, nor could I see anybody scaling a wall into the

01:32:18.040 Presidio.

01:32:19.140 I got all the way down to the next corner, which was Maple.

01:32:24.300 Decision number two, which way to go?

01:32:26.120 Look to the left, toward the Presidio.

01:32:27.800 Saw absolutely nothing.

01:32:30.300 It was much darker there.

01:32:32.160 I figured the chance of finding somebody was almost nil.

01:32:35.980 I turned to the right, and I saw a man walking his dog.

01:32:40.840 All right, so we're going to fast forward, right?

01:32:42.840 I thought that's what I wrote in the scratch all these years.

01:32:48.400 Portion of Zodiac's letter dated November 9th, 1969.

01:33:07.400 So he says here, two cops pulled a goof about three minutes after I left the cab.

01:33:14.960 I was walking down the hill to the park, I think that says, and this cop came and pulled

01:33:22.880 up.

01:33:24.200 Let's see here.

01:33:26.460 The Zodiac killer seems to crave publicity.

01:33:29.960 He sent letters and cryptograms to newspapers and the police, recounting his crimes, threatening

01:33:35.460 more murders and making Bay Area residents very edgy.

01:33:39.360 There was panic in San Francisco after this.

01:33:45.640 Nobody in San Francisco was aware of any Zodiac until the murderer wrote to the Chronicle

01:33:52.460 and included that torn piece of shirt from Mr. Stein.

01:34:02.420 Famously piecing it together.

01:34:04.100 School children.

01:34:04.760 And here is a letter right here, guys, because it's in bad quality there.

01:34:10.580 I got you, although I got it right here.

01:34:12.340 Here's the actual letter.

01:34:16.500 Okay, the infamous letter that he wrote to the Chronicle after...

01:34:22.460 The killing of the cab driver.

01:34:24.540 This is the Zodiac speaking, right?

01:34:26.620 And that's what he typically always started, how he starts all of his letters is a trademark.

01:34:30.240 Okay?

01:34:31.120 I am the murderer of the taxi driver over by Washington Street and Maple Street last night.

01:34:36.160 To prove this, here is a bloodstained piece of his shirt.

01:34:40.520 I'm the same man who did in the people in the North Bay Area.

01:34:44.960 San Francisco police could have caught me last night if they had searched the park properly

01:34:50.660 instead of holding road races with their motor cycles, seeing who could make the most noise. 0.99

01:35:01.940 Oh, shit, he's exposing them. 0.99

01:35:05.740 The cab drivers should have just parked their cars and sat there quietly waiting for me to come out of cover. 1.00

01:35:15.560 School children make nice targets.

01:35:19.720 I think I shall wipe out a school bus some morning. 0.86

01:35:24.040 Just shoot out the front tire and then pick off the kitties as they come bouncing out. 0.96

01:35:33.200 Sorry, guys.

01:35:33.680 His handwriting is very difficult to read.

01:35:35.920 But yes, so he basically said,

01:35:37.240 I think I shall wipe out a school bus some morning.

01:35:39.640 Just shoot out the tire, the front tire, and then pick off the kitties as they come bouncing out. 0.89

01:35:47.080 Holy! 1.00

01:35:47.960 This guy's on some fucking evil time, man. 1.00

01:35:52.820 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:53.880 Holy.

01:35:54.740 All right.

01:35:58.120 Make fine targets.

01:35:59.500 Now, what are you doing to protect the school buses, particularly in San Francisco?

01:36:13.980 In San Francisco, we have been since the first day, since the reception of this note, and up to now and continuing.

01:36:23.420 We have a number of plane, clothes, officers, following buses in the morning and in the evening.

01:36:31.660 But he never did, did he?

01:36:33.580 No.

01:36:34.900 No, he just did it to scare them.

01:36:36.860 And everyone went crazy.

01:36:38.460 Yeah. 1.00

01:36:39.360 Scare them and perhaps destroy them. 0.99

01:36:42.480 Exactly. 0.99

01:36:43.180 Catch them.

01:36:43.620 He did this a lot in his letters.

01:36:44.740 We have specifically requested that they alert their drivers to not stop under any conditions

01:37:07.560 if a shot is fired or if their bus is subjected to a flat tire by the sniper.

01:37:12.660 Further, that they get the children down immediately and proceed with all speed out of the air.

01:37:19.020 And to try and attract.

01:37:22.140 He's unable to be broken now.

01:37:24.980 He has written to him.

01:37:26.640 Still following him.

01:37:27.460 So he went ahead, right?

01:37:29.480 And he wrote.

01:37:31.740 This is one of his ciphers here.

01:37:33.300 Except for the last 18 letters.

01:37:35.220 In case of the man.

01:37:36.180 This is what the Zodiac Killer is famous for.

01:37:38.160 Sending basically codes that people have to break down.

01:37:41.540 He calls himself Zodiac and has boasted that he is responsible for five murders in the last nine months.

01:37:48.400 What about the cryptogram in the letter?

01:37:50.140 Does it tell you anything new about him?

01:37:52.920 Well, this letter that we've received is just a short cryptogram, one line of symbols, which he says reveals his name.

01:38:01.300 In the original correspondence we received from the Zodiac, he stated that his name was in it.

01:38:08.000 The cryptogram in that letter was broken, except for the last 18 letters.

01:38:15.320 And we have been unable to break it.

01:38:17.520 We since received another correspondence from him, and that was unable to be broken.

01:38:22.440 And the experts felt that there really wasn't a message within that letter.

01:38:28.480 Of course, we've already submitted this recent letter to our experts.

01:38:32.860 And if his name is there, I'm sure it will be revealed.

01:38:36.740 It conforms with all the other material we've received from him in the past, yes.

01:38:41.200 How can you tell it's authentic?

01:38:42.480 It's a matter of identifying the hand printing appearing on the card.

01:38:48.800 Where was this postcard postmarked from?

01:38:51.800 It has no postmark on it.

01:38:53.420 It was found in the post office.

01:38:55.000 Postal workers found it before it even got through the cancellation machine.

01:38:58.880 We're just about in the same position.

01:39:00.520 We're still following a tremendous amount of leads.

01:39:02.880 We're getting a tremendous amount of information every day, not only from the Bay Area, but from all over the nation.

01:39:07.680 As you know, we have heard from him ourselves through our local press, and recently he has written to an attorney here in San Francisco.

01:39:16.640 But as far as any specific piece of physical evidence or any specific individual, we're no closer than we were.

01:39:25.040 At one point in time, I was asked to go down and listen to a tape of an interview that had been on the Jim Dunbar show.

01:39:31.520 And if I recall correctly, Melvin Belli was asked to come to the Jim Dunbar show, and so I was asked to listen to the voice, and there was some interaction between Melvin Belli and Jim Dunbar.

01:39:45.860 My recollection of that voice is that wasn't even in the range of what I'd heard.

01:39:53.140 I think I told him that I didn't think that was the voice.

01:39:56.480 Talk to us.

01:39:57.240 Just tell us what's going on inside you right now, Sam, please.

01:40:00.500 All right, so this is a guy that called in, right, claiming to be the Zodiac on a national television show.

01:40:11.260 When have you had those headaches, Sam?

01:40:14.520 In a long time?

01:40:16.640 Since I killed a kid.

01:40:18.680 Well, was it before December that you had the headaches?

01:40:23.560 Yes.

01:40:24.080 Were you in service, that you might have had an injury in service, or did you ever fly out of a tree or downstairs, were you ever unconscious?

01:40:33.540 I don't know.

01:40:34.600 You don't remember?

01:40:36.000 Does aspirin do you any good?

01:40:38.040 No.

01:40:38.660 Doesn't do any good.

01:40:40.020 Sam, man.

01:40:40.520 Well, Steph never did me any good either when I had had it.

01:40:42.940 Sam, let me ask you a question.

01:40:43.980 Sam, did you attempt to call this program one other time when Mr. Belli was with us?

01:40:50.700 What?

01:40:51.900 Did you try to call us one other time, about two or three weeks ago when Mel Belli was with us?

01:40:58.220 Yes.

01:40:59.020 And you, well, and we couldn't get through.

01:41:01.440 We couldn't get through.

01:41:02.120 The phones were tied up.

01:41:03.100 Was that it?

01:41:04.060 Yes.

01:41:04.740 Sam, let me ask you this.

01:41:06.340 There's some reason why you go to a particular doctor or a particular priest, and some reason why apparently you wanted to talk to me or Lee.

01:41:16.940 Is it that you feel that we have compassion for people who get in trouble?

01:41:21.440 Or is it you feel that we can do something for you?

01:41:24.800 Or is it you feel that we have enough integrity that we promise you something that we're going to stick to it?

01:41:32.100 Well, let's find out why he wanted to talk to you.

01:41:34.280 Why did you want to talk to Mr. Belli, Sam?

01:41:36.340 I don't want to be hurt.

01:41:40.440 It clearly was not the cadence, but it didn't seem like the voice as well. 0.98

01:41:45.800 I think a man that's sick.

01:41:47.280 I think a man that's going into it.

01:41:48.940 So they ended up setting up a meeting, but this person ended up being someone who was a poser and was not the Zodiac,

01:41:54.740 which we're going to go ahead and prove that later on with one of his ciphers.

01:42:00.980 Now, with that said, guys, we're going to fast forward a little bit in transition.

01:42:03.600 We're going to talk a little bit about the Zodiac's complex messages that he would send the news.

01:42:10.360 OK, so we went over the victims.

01:42:12.480 OK, we went over all four of the victims.

01:42:14.220 Quick little recap.

01:42:14.920 Actually, we'll do that.

01:42:17.760 All right.

01:42:18.260 So first and foremost, we went over the Zodiac killer, who he is.

01:42:20.940 Right.

01:42:21.140 Most infamous serial killer in U.S. history.

01:42:24.700 All right.

01:42:25.020 And this famous photo came after he killed Paul Stein on October 11th, 1969. 0.94

01:42:32.000 OK, shot him in the back of the head. 0.61

01:42:34.700 Then. 1.00

01:42:35.940 Right.

01:42:36.520 So we talked about who he is.

01:42:37.380 Then the first killing that we can prove definitively was the Zodiac was on December 20th, 1968.

01:42:44.960 OK, the two victims were David Arthur Faraday, age 17, and Betty Lou Jensen, age 16.

01:42:51.220 They were shot and killed while out in a rural area in California.

01:42:57.220 OK, then fast forward to July 4th.

01:43:00.900 OK, 1969 and Darlene Elizabeth Farron.

01:43:06.980 All right.

01:43:07.720 And Mike Reynolds Maju were also shot and attacked in Blue Rock, I believe.

01:43:15.000 Yeah, the parking lot Blue Rock Springs Park.

01:43:16.940 OK, and Maju survived the attack.

01:43:20.740 However, Darlene Farron died.

01:43:24.020 She comes.

01:43:24.480 She succumbed to her wounds.

01:43:25.900 Right.

01:43:26.160 Then you fast forward to September 29th or sorry, September 27th, 1969, and Cecilia Ann Shepard

01:43:36.120 and Brian Calvin Hartnell were attacked by knife by the Zodiac killer in person at Lake Berryessa

01:43:43.900 near Napa, California.

01:43:45.900 OK, so say it was stabbed 10 times.

01:43:48.480 Brian Hartnell was stabbed six times.

01:43:50.460 He survived the attack, was able to describe the individual as a 5'10",

01:43:54.840 more heavyset individual that claimed to had escaped from prison in Montana, matches Cecilia's

01:44:03.000 description as well, coming in with executioner mask, bib, etc.

01:44:06.800 And this also matched Maju's description, which he also described the individual as a white

01:44:12.540 male from, you know, 180, 220 pounds between 5'8 to 5'10", heavier set.

01:44:18.940 OK, with dark hair.

01:44:21.120 All right.

01:44:22.300 Unfortunately, the first two victims that we know, David Arthur Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen,

01:44:28.560 neither of them survived, so they weren't able to identify their attacker.

01:44:32.400 OK.

01:44:33.060 And just to clarify, they were attacked at Lake Herman Road on the eastern outskirts of Vallejo, California.

01:44:39.020 All right.

01:44:39.700 And then from there, we get to Paul Stein, who was attacked and killed on October 11th, 1969.

01:44:50.840 This is one of the few situations where we actually have eyewitnesses catching the killer in the act.

01:44:57.700 And that's where that famous photograph that I showed you guys before comes from.

01:45:01.040 Three witnesses.

01:45:01.540 Three witnesses.

01:45:02.160 OK.

01:45:02.640 That saw him.

01:45:04.520 Now we're going to get into the cryptograms.

01:45:08.360 And then I'm going to go into another case that they were able to link to the Zodiac after the fact that we'll get into the suspects.

01:45:14.580 OK.

01:45:14.780 So the most famous code slash cipher that the Zodiac did was on August 4th, 1969.

01:45:24.860 The San Francisco Examiner received a three page letter with smudged writing ending with no address.

01:45:30.060 There is no record of an envelope attached to this letter.

01:45:33.740 Thereby, its mode of delivery to the San Francisco Examiner offices is unknown, but it was likely hand delivered.

01:45:39.200 Please read the no address form Zodiac article below for further information.

01:45:42.720 Now, we won't get too much into the weeds there.

01:45:45.000 Hold on.

01:45:45.540 Let me go ahead and enlarge this real real fast.

01:45:47.740 OK.

01:45:49.400 And this is Donald Harden.

01:45:50.220 He solved the first cryptogram.

01:45:52.680 The Zodiac killer detailed the first two attacks at Lake Herman Road and Blue Rock Springs Park in the debut of the Zodiac litter and goaded the public by writing,

01:45:59.100 By the way, are the police having a good time with the code?

01:46:02.180 However, the code will be deciphered only four days later, August 8th, by Bay Area residents Donald Jean and Betty June Harden of Salinas, California, who unearthed a message beginning,

01:46:13.580 I like killing people because it is so much fun.

01:46:16.320 It is more fun than killing wild game in the forest because man is the most dangerous animal of all. 1.00

01:46:22.280 OK.

01:46:22.740 And you guys are going to see that.

01:46:23.840 That's a famous quote that comes from a certain book, and we'll talk about that in a second.

01:46:26.660 Although nobody seriously expected the code solution to contain his real identity because he said that he would identify himself,

01:46:33.680 they would eventually be proved correct when the cryptogram was broken, unearthing the delusional ramblings of a calculated killer.

01:46:40.680 The latest correspondence was undoubtedly a direct reply to Vallejo Police Chief Jack E. Stiltz,

01:46:46.180 who still expressed doubts regarding the Zodiac killer as the murderer of three.

01:46:49.600 Jack E. Stiltz was a native of Lohan, who first joined the police force in 1939 and oversaw many changes,

01:46:55.980 including the new station located at 111 Amador Street before retiring with health issues in 1970.

01:47:00.840 Jack E. Stiltz died on October 4th, 1974, age 62.

01:47:04.900 OK.

01:47:05.980 So the Zodiac sent three CODA segments and three letters on July 31st, 1969 to the San Francisco Examiner,

01:47:11.900 San Francisco Chronicle, and Vallejo Times Herald, giving details of the first two crimes to the police.

01:47:16.980 The Zodiac killer, seemingly, though, still had a lot to prove to Vallejo Police Chief Jack E. Stiltz,

01:47:22.360 who was less than satisfied that the letter writer and killer were one in the same,

01:47:26.640 as can be seen below in the following extract from the Saturday, August 2nd, 1969 San Francisco Chronicle.

01:47:32.360 He requested the writer to send further correspondence with more facts to prove it.

01:47:36.760 So it actually worked in the police's favor.

01:47:40.680 They went ahead and challenged them like, hey, you ain't really the guy. 0.99

01:47:42.680 And of course, him being the cloud chaser was like, fuck this. 0.99

01:47:45.360 I'm a proof to you that I was the killer. 0.97

01:47:46.980 The police chief urged the writer yesterday to send more letters with more facts to prove his connections with the crimes.

01:47:52.660 So what does the Zodiac do?

01:47:53.860 He obliges.

01:47:55.640 Another Zodiac article was featured the following down Sunday, August 3rd, 1969, in the San Francisco Examiner.

01:48:02.060 The mistrust of Jack E. Stiltz was highlighted again,

01:48:05.720 reiterating that he still is not convinced the letters and codes were written by the actual killer.

01:48:09.840 The police chief urged the writer to send more letters with more facts to prove his connections to the crimes.

01:48:14.280 Okay.

01:48:17.740 So.

01:48:19.060 So now.

01:48:20.860 Okay.

01:48:22.580 So as you guys know, he he went.

01:48:25.340 He called the dispatch right after he killed.

01:48:28.260 I want to report a double murder.

01:48:29.560 If you go down the street and this is after the attack on Maju and Darlene,

01:48:35.140 you'll find I shot them with a they were shot with a nine millimeter Ruger also killed those kids last year.

01:48:41.000 Goodbye. 0.99

01:48:41.560 Right.

01:48:41.840 Goodbye.

01:48:42.420 That's strange.

01:48:42.880 Goodbye.

01:48:43.480 The phone message did not contain incorrect directions to police.

01:48:46.860 As many people in the Zodiac community will have you believe and a break insertion afterward east. 1.00

01:48:51.540 The original message in the police report was described as substance of statement,

01:48:55.340 not a verbatim transcription.

01:48:57.520 The letter below was to arrive at the San Francisco Examiner.

01:49:00.600 Just one month later, the note said this.

01:49:03.400 Dear editor, this is Zodiac speaking and answer to your question to your asking for more details about the good times I have had in Vallejo.

01:49:11.060 I shall be very happy to supply even more material.

01:49:14.960 By the way, are the police having a good time with the code guys?

01:49:18.480 Keep in mind, he says this all the time.

01:49:20.340 Are the police having a good time?

01:49:22.040 All right.

01:49:22.300 That's one of his trademarks as well.

01:49:24.640 If not, tell them to cheer up when they do crack it.

01:49:27.840 They will have me on the 4th of July.

01:49:30.360 I did not open the car door.

01:49:32.480 The window was rolled down already.

01:49:34.660 The boy was originally sitting in the front seat when I began firing.

01:49:39.500 When I fired the first shot at his head, he leaped backwards at the same time, thus spoiling my aim.

01:49:46.540 He ended up on the back seat, then the floor and back, dashing out very violently with his legs. 0.82

01:49:53.500 That's how I shot him in the knee.

01:49:55.940 I did not leave the scene of the killing with squealing tires.

01:49:59.700 Plus, racing engine is described in the Vallejo paper.

01:50:02.460 I drove away quite slowly so as to not draw attention to my car. 0.75

01:50:06.020 The man who told police that my car was brown was a Negro, about 40 to 45, rather shabby dressed. 1.00

01:50:13.900 I was in this phone booth having some fun with the Vallejo cop when he was walking by. 0.98

01:50:21.060 When I hung the phone up, the damn X thing began to ring, and that drew his attention to me and my car. 0.95

01:50:29.700 Last Christmas, and notice how he spells Christmas, by the way, guys, with two S's at the end. 0.98

01:50:35.240 And you guys also notice that they're writing this note verbatim how he spells.

01:50:40.320 Okay, and this is the note here. 0.50

01:50:41.520 Obviously, it's all smudged up and fucked up, so we're reading it so you guys can actually know what's going on here. 0.93

01:50:46.460 Last Christmas, in that episode, the police were wondering how I could shoot plus hit my victims in the dark. 0.97

01:50:52.080 They did not openly state this, but implied this by saying it was a well-lit night plus I could see silhouettes on the horizon. 1.00

01:50:58.520 Bullshit! That area is surrounded by high hills and trees. 0.99

01:51:02.420 What I did was tape a small pencil flashlight to the barrel of my gun.

01:51:07.040 If you notice, in the center of the beam of light, if you aim it at a wall or ceiling,

01:51:11.840 you will see a black or dark spot in the center of the circle of light about three to six inches across.

01:51:18.180 When taped to a gun barrel, the bullet will strike in the center of the black dot in the light.

01:51:23.420 All I had to do was spray them as if I was a water hose.

01:51:27.460 There was no need to use the gun sights.

01:51:30.100 I was not happy to see that I did not get front page coverage.

01:51:34.420 Zodiac symbol, right, was right here.

01:51:38.800 And you can see here I was not happy to not get the coverage.

01:51:41.940 Bam.

01:51:42.480 And then he writes underneath that, no address.

01:51:46.360 Bro.

01:51:47.460 Holy man.

01:51:49.260 This guy. 1.00

01:51:50.460 Oh shit! 1.00

01:51:51.180 Oh shit! 1.00

01:51:51.600 What's your thoughts on that letter? 1.00

01:51:52.920 I don't know.

01:51:53.640 He seems like a clout chaser.

01:51:55.560 Yeah.

01:51:56.000 This is clout chasing at another level, huh?

01:51:58.140 Yeah.

01:51:59.700 And then on the right are the three pages of correspondence mailed by the Zodiac Killer.

01:52:03.180 The writing is not very clear, but click on the page.

01:52:05.300 You want to view Tanlar's image.

01:52:07.340 So yeah, I read it for y'all.

01:52:10.540 Okay.

01:52:10.980 Let's go ahead here and scroll down.

01:52:13.200 He said no address.

01:52:15.460 So, and then he went ahead and sent the cipher as well, and they were able, Donald Harden and his wife were able to decipher the code.

01:52:34.340 Where's the code?

01:52:35.220 Okay.

01:52:35.580 This is the code right here.

01:52:37.100 The 408 character cipher.

01:52:39.080 Okay.

01:52:42.380 And they cracked it.

01:52:45.460 The 408 cipher contained the phrase, the most dangerous animal.

01:52:48.720 Okay.

01:52:49.420 As you guys remember, let me duplicate this real quick.

01:52:54.220 Yeah.

01:52:54.680 I told you guys that this is a very complex thing.

01:52:59.220 This is what it said.

01:53:04.400 Okay.

01:53:05.100 This is what the code said. 0.98

01:53:06.360 I like killing people because it is so much fun. 0.99

01:53:08.960 It is more fun than killing wild game in the forest because man is the most dangerous animal of all. 0.99

01:53:13.280 Okay. 0.89

01:53:13.620 And that quote, guys, comes from the most dangerous game by Richard Carnell, first published on January 19, 1924, a chronicle of the man called General Zaroff, who lived on Ship Trap Island, where he indulged himself by capturing shipwrecked sailors before equipping them with clothes, a hunting knife, and food before releasing them with a three-hour head start, at which time he would hunt them down and kill them.

01:53:35.640 However, if they were fortunate enough to survive for three days, he would grant them their freedom.

01:53:40.980 Okay.

01:53:41.620 And the Zodiac Killer really liked this book because he quoted it in his letters.

01:53:46.940 General Zaroff had become bored with just hunting wild animals and he wanted to attack humans.

01:53:51.100 And then he said, you know, of course, he quotes it in the thing. 0.96

01:53:53.540 I like killing people because it's so much fun. 0.93

01:53:54.860 It's much more fun than killing wild game in the forest. 0.98

01:53:58.700 And then he put that in a letter.

01:54:01.920 Let's see here.

01:54:08.060 This is the cipher right here.

01:54:14.140 All right.

01:54:14.660 Cool.

01:54:15.500 All right.

01:54:15.880 And this is the most famous one.

01:54:17.220 And this one is the one that was cracked.

01:54:18.260 Now, there was another big one, guys, that got cracked literally like two years ago.

01:54:22.480 Three guys out of Europe were able to crack it, which we'll talk about that as well.

01:54:27.340 Well, let's see here.

01:54:30.380 Let me go back.

01:54:33.440 Now, if you go ahead and hit Google here.

01:54:42.340 I think it was called the broken cipher.

01:54:53.020 I think it was in 2021.

01:54:57.340 Yeah.

01:54:58.300 So this is from Infographics.

01:55:03.460 Hey, Melbourne.

01:55:04.820 Yeah.

01:55:05.140 Thank you for having the entire message out from Tractown.

01:55:08.060 Just take us through how you work together and who was involved with doing this.

01:55:15.200 Yeah.

01:55:15.700 So David Aranchak is from the United States and he has been working on trying to solve this cipher in his spare time for the Spartan super.

01:55:24.400 OK, so this is what the code actually said.

01:55:26.760 It took them 50 plus years to solve this thing, guys.

01:55:29.320 OK, it goes.

01:55:30.820 I hope you're having lots of fun and trying to catch me.

01:55:33.380 That wasn't me on the TV show.

01:55:34.640 Remember, guys, I showed you all that clip after one of the killings.

01:55:39.000 And the guy tried to take credit for saying that he was the Zodiac, but he was actually just a sick individual from this clip right here when they when the guy tried to call into the show. 0.97

01:55:49.080 So the Zodiac obviously took that shit personally, who was like, yo, that wasn't me on the fucking show. 1.00

01:55:54.660 Stupid. 1.00

01:55:55.060 I'm not afraid of the gas chamber because the person that called into the show, guys, said that I'm afraid of the gas chamber. 1.00

01:56:00.900 All right.

01:56:01.880 So he goes, I'm not afraid of the gas chamber because I will send because it will send me to paradise all the sooner because I now have enough slaves to work for me where everyone else has nothing when they catch when they reach paradise.

01:56:14.340 So they are afraid of death.

01:56:16.140 I am not afraid because I know that my new life is.

01:56:20.820 Life will be an easy one in paradise death.

01:56:24.860 Which is crazy.

01:56:28.860 Right.

01:56:29.100 And it was cracked by three different guys.

01:56:30.880 Actually, you know, here, let me where the three guys.

01:56:33.880 I forget who it was.

01:56:35.260 Zodiac killer.

01:56:37.920 Zodiac killer.

01:56:41.780 Cryptogram.

01:56:42.260 Solved 20.

01:56:45.300 I think it was 2021, 2020.

01:56:47.600 OK.

01:56:52.580 So this was it originally.

01:56:58.540 Z340.

01:57:01.560 Orange hack.

01:57:05.900 Yes.

01:57:06.400 And FBI confirmed it later.

01:57:07.740 And they made like a special software for it, guys.

01:57:15.640 They ended up spending a significant amount of time on it.

01:57:19.320 They started, I think, in 2006 and then it cracked it to almost 14, 15 years later.

01:57:25.000 And they had to turn the letters.

01:57:28.220 They had to do it diagonally to be able to crack it.

01:57:31.120 OK.

01:57:32.220 And also, the Zodiac made a mistake with the code.

01:57:36.060 So they were able to go ahead and fix that mistake, account for spelling errors, and they were able to actually figure it out.

01:57:42.880 And they used a couple of key words to be able to do it.

01:57:45.500 I think gas chamber was one of them.

01:57:48.420 And.

01:57:49.120 Killing. 0.61

01:57:50.000 And not killing. 0.98

01:57:51.080 Killing was how the teachers found out.

01:57:54.340 Because they were able to find double consonant with the two L's.

01:57:58.560 Yeah.

01:57:58.740 And they kind of used that to create a key.

01:58:01.680 And then, bam, they were able to save it to solve it in a few days.

01:58:08.520 OK.

01:58:08.860 Here we go. 1.00

01:58:09.440 I like killing people because it is so much fun. 1.00

01:58:11.480 It is more fun than killing wild game in the forest because man is the most dangerous animal of all time. 0.97

01:58:15.640 Something gives me the most thrilling experience.

01:58:17.500 It is even better than.

01:58:18.360 Oh, no.

01:58:18.500 This is the original one.

01:58:22.620 OK.

01:58:23.600 Either way.

01:58:24.220 You guys get the point.

01:58:25.060 It was solved a long time later.

01:58:27.100 And that was the one with it because it was the gas chamber, which is how you know it was a Zodiac, because he obviously took offense to that guy trying to take credit from calling into the TV show.

01:58:38.220 Now, we're going to go ahead and get into one of the later.

01:58:43.400 Now, this murder, guys, actually occurred right later on.

01:58:47.500 Excuse me.

01:58:48.000 It occurred first.

01:58:48.760 It occurred in 1966.

01:58:50.140 However, they weren't able to link it to the Zodiac until later on.

01:58:53.960 OK.

01:58:54.220 So this is Sherry Joe Bates.

01:58:57.100 OK, or Sherry Josephine Bates. 0.63

01:58:59.820 All right.

01:58:59.960 She was killed between 923 p.m.

01:59:04.120 October 30th and 1223 a.m.

01:59:05.900 October 31st, Monday.

01:59:07.840 This case number out of Riverside.

01:59:10.600 And she was attacked in an alley on the campus of Riverside City College, Riverside, California.

01:59:15.840 Method of attack.

01:59:16.700 A 1966 graduate at Riverside's Ramona High School.

01:59:19.260 18-year-old Sherry Joe Bates was beaten and stabbed multiple times with a short-bladed knife.

01:59:26.120 Her throat was also cut.

01:59:27.620 There was no evidence of robbery or sexual molestation.

01:59:29.520 There were no witnesses.

01:59:31.180 And it was very bad, guys, because she was damn near decapitated.

01:59:34.340 Bates had visited her college library, and police believe that when her Volkswagen Beetle was disabled by her eventual killer, her car was found approximately 100 yards from the alley where she was killed.

01:59:42.320 A men's Timex watch band with a band suggesting 7-inch wrist was found at the scene along with a military-style heel print indicating a size 8 to 10 shoe.

01:59:52.860 Well, guys, if you remember, right, those wing walker shoes were also found at other crime scenes as well.

01:59:59.540 Military shoes.

02:00:01.100 The origin of the watch was eventually traced to a military post, possibly in England.

02:00:04.880 The shoes could have been sold at a nearby March Air Force Base.

02:00:08.280 Investigators established the watch was ripped from the attacker's wrist during the struggle.

02:00:11.100 Although the watch stopped at 1224, it is unknown exactly when the crime occurred.

02:00:15.840 Bates died very quickly.

02:00:17.940 Okay, so this was her college library here, guys.

02:00:21.180 Then this is the watch that they found at the crime scene right here.

02:00:26.200 Here's the investigators.

02:00:28.840 Okay.

02:00:30.400 This is Bates, right, through her progression.

02:00:34.240 This is obviously older photos.

02:00:38.420 Let's see here.

02:00:41.100 This is where the crime occurred.

02:00:42.880 Obviously, this is them putting this over her body. 0.99

02:00:44.720 It was a very violent scene.

02:00:49.020 Here's the watch.

02:00:50.160 When it stopped.

02:00:52.900 Okay.

02:00:53.260 Also, an important note is that there was paint on this watch, guys, which we'll talk about that in a second, why that was relevant when we go over the suspects.

02:01:02.780 Okay.

02:01:03.720 And she died very quickly.

02:01:05.560 And this is her at her funeral.

02:01:08.520 Her brother, Michael, boyfriend Dennis Hyland.

02:01:10.820 Mother, Irene, unknown.

02:01:12.180 Father, Joseph, unknown.

02:01:14.240 Walking her out.

02:01:14.920 The Zodiac victim.

02:01:16.540 Zodiac was first considered a suspect in the Bates murder in October 1969 when the Riverside Police Department noticed similarities between the Bates case and the Nappy County Zodiac killing of September 27, 1969.

02:01:28.300 As you guys know, that's when they were attacked out there while picnicking.

02:01:31.240 By November 1970, the news media had gotten wind of the possible Zodiac Bates connection, and both the San Francisco Chronicle and Los Angeles Times published lengthy stories.

02:01:42.060 Zodiac detectives from the San Francisco Bay Area met with investigators handling the Bates case, and the conclusion was made that Zodiac was Sherry's killer.

02:01:49.000 Eventually, the Zodiac sent a letter to the Los Angeles Times postmarked March 13, 1971, accepting responsibility for the Bates crime.

02:01:55.600 As in the subsequent Zodiac attacks, the Bates case saw police taunting letters written to the newspapers.

02:02:01.380 A confession letter was mailed anonymously from Riverside on November 29, 1966, to both the Riverside Police Department and the Riverside Press Enterprise newspaper and included details of the murder that had never been revealed by the police.

02:02:13.960 Here is the confession letter right here, guys.

02:02:16.940 She was young and beautiful, but now she's battered and dead.

02:02:21.020 She's not the first, and she will not be the last.

02:02:22.960 I lay awake nights thinking about my next victim.

02:02:26.580 Maybe she will be the beautiful blonde that babysits near the little store and walks down the dark alley each evening about 7. 0.99

02:02:37.280 Or maybe she'll be the shapely blue-eyed brunette that said no when I asked her for a date in high school. 1.00

02:02:45.520 But maybe it will not be either, but I shall cut off her female parts and deposit them for the whole city to see. 1.00

02:02:53.600 So don't make it too easy for me. 0.97

02:02:57.840 Keep your sisters, daughters, and wives off the streets and alleys. 1.00

02:03:02.540 Ms. Bates was stupid. 1.00

02:03:04.240 She went to the slaughter like a lamb. 1.00

02:03:07.760 She did not put up a struggle.

02:03:11.920 Well, actually, she did.

02:03:13.740 But I did.

02:03:15.160 Because, just so you guys know, she ripped off a couple of hairs from his head.

02:03:20.340 And they got four hair follicles that were brown, by the way, off of his head.

02:03:25.000 And they were found in her left hand.

02:03:27.500 It was a ball.

02:03:28.480 I first pulled the middle wire from the distributor.

02:03:34.620 Then I waited for her in the library and followed her out after about two minutes.

02:03:40.780 So he disabled her vehicle.

02:03:42.100 The battery must have been about dead by then.

02:03:46.100 I then offered to help.

02:03:48.240 She was then very willing to talk with me.

02:03:51.240 I told her that my car was down the street and that I would give her a lift home.

02:03:57.500 When we were away from the library walking, I said it was about time.

02:04:04.420 She asked me about time for what? 1.00

02:04:07.540 I said it was about time for her to die. 1.00

02:04:10.220 I grabbed her around the neck with my hand over her mouth and my other hand with a small knife at her throat. 1.00

02:04:20.420 She went very willingly. 0.99

02:04:22.800 Her breast felt very...

02:04:24.500 Sorry, guys.

02:04:28.280 This is hard to read because everything is so tight with this typewriter. 0.99

02:04:33.280 Time for her to die. 1.00

02:04:33.880 Grabbed her around the neck with my hand. 1.00

02:04:37.040 Okay, warm.

02:04:38.060 There we go.

02:04:38.460 Thank you.

02:04:39.440 Her breast felt very warm and firm under my hands.

02:04:43.440 But only one thing was on my mind.

02:04:45.720 Making her pay for the brush-offs that she had given me during the years prior.

02:04:53.220 She died hard.

02:04:54.500 She squirmed and shook as I choked her, and her lips twitched. 0.99

02:05:00.000 She let out a scream once, and I kicked her head to shut her up. 1.00

02:05:06.880 I plunged the knife into her, and it broke. 1.00

02:05:09.780 I then finished the job by cutting her throat. 0.99

02:05:13.640 I am not sick. 0.99

02:05:15.120 I am insane.

02:05:18.820 Where am I at here?

02:05:22.400 Sorry, guys.

02:05:23.080 I lost my...

02:05:24.240 Okay.

02:05:25.200 Thank you.

02:05:26.020 Shout out to Annie. 0.96

02:05:26.520 But then I will not stop the game.

02:05:29.120 This letter should be published for all you to read it.

02:05:32.820 It just might save the girl in the alley, but that's up to you.

02:05:37.320 It will be on your conscience.

02:05:39.220 Not mine.

02:05:40.000 Yes, I did make that call to you.

02:05:43.560 Also, it was just a warning.

02:05:45.820 Beware.

02:05:46.700 I'm stalking your girls now. 1.00

02:05:49.840 And Daily Enterprise, Riverside, California.

02:05:52.740 Attention crime.

02:05:54.320 You guys can see. 1.00

02:05:55.200 Fucking sickness, man. 1.00

02:05:57.120 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:05:57.820 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:05:58.460 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:05:59.040 And they published that? 1.00

02:06:00.540 Yeah.

02:06:00.900 They published it.

02:06:02.320 Yeah. 0.88

02:06:03.020 Because he would threaten, if you didn't publish it, that he would kill more people.

02:06:06.000 And obviously, it's the news.

02:06:07.180 They want clout. 0.74

02:06:07.920 Let's be honest here.

02:06:10.400 It's like similar to the Ripper.

02:06:13.540 Yep.

02:06:13.880 Yeah.

02:06:16.120 All right.

02:06:16.640 So, in December 1966, so two months after Bates was killed, a death with a morbid poem

02:06:25.100 scratched into the surface was discovered in the college library.

02:06:27.820 The writing was eventually attributed to the Zodiac Killer.

02:06:30.440 Additionally, three other letters sent anonymously from Riverside on April 30th, 1967, to the

02:06:34.880 above recipients, as well as to the victim's father, Joseph, have been attributed to the

02:06:38.980 Zodiac.

02:06:39.360 And here's the poem, guys.

02:06:41.620 Sick of living.

02:06:43.600 Unwilling to die.

02:06:45.360 Cut.

02:06:46.300 Clean.

02:06:47.960 I don't know what that says.

02:06:50.380 I, Fred?

02:06:51.300 Clean.

02:06:51.820 Blood.

02:06:52.200 Spurting.

02:06:52.720 Dripping.

02:06:53.180 Spilling.

02:06:54.720 All over.

02:06:56.140 New dress.

02:06:57.180 Oh, well.

02:06:57.820 It was read anyway.

02:06:59.980 Life draining into an uncertain death.

02:07:05.480 She won't die this time.

02:07:08.180 Someone find her. 0.99

02:07:12.300 Just wait till next time.

02:07:15.240 And you can see here, RH.

02:07:17.500 Okay.

02:07:17.740 So, and this handwriting was similar to that of the Zodiac.

02:07:25.900 Uh, okay, let me go back here.

02:07:34.840 Where was, oh, okay.

02:07:37.260 And that was, uh, written on the desk, uh, at the college library.

02:07:43.940 Um, conclusion.

02:07:44.900 The original investigation included the Zodiac was the murder of Sherry Jo Bates.

02:07:47.320 Hopefully 2021 will bring us the answer.

02:07:49.320 Okay.

02:07:50.180 So, so that was a potential person that was killed.

02:07:54.380 And then also, right, I want you guys, this one is, and we'll spend a little bit of time

02:07:59.480 on this one because the similarities are too, are too close.

02:08:02.900 So, victims, right?

02:08:05.620 Ray Davis.

02:08:06.400 Okay.

02:08:07.120 Now, Ray Davis, so y'all know, was a cab driver.

02:08:10.380 Okay.

02:08:10.920 He was murdered on April 10th, 1962.

02:08:13.700 So, he was potentially the first murder victim of the, um, of the Zodiac, right?

02:08:21.740 So, he died in a very similar way to Paul Stein, as we discussed before.

02:08:26.020 He was shot twice from behind in his own cab.

02:08:29.020 The weapon was a .22 caliber and the ammunition was a long rifle.

02:08:32.400 Um, details after becoming estranged from his wife, Davis lived with his brother in a

02:08:35.160 rented house at 525 South Tremont Street in Oceanside.

02:08:37.880 At 1110 p.m., Davis, a driver for the Checker Cab Company, picked up a fare at a downtown

02:08:42.660 cab stand, possibly on Mission Avenue, and notified his dispatcher that he was delivering

02:08:46.760 the fare to a location of South Oceanside.

02:08:49.480 Davis was never heard from again.

02:08:50.700 Early the next morning, the body of Davis was found at the exclusive upscale neighborhood

02:08:54.200 called St. Malo, Oceanside's first gated community.

02:08:57.600 Davis had been shot twice from the backseat of his cab, once shot, one shot to his back

02:09:03.160 and the other to his head.

02:09:05.920 After dumping the body of Davis in the alley, his killer escaped in the cab before quickly

02:09:09.960 abandoning it at 400 South Pacific Street.

02:09:12.580 The exact dump site of the body was an alley directly behind 1926 South Pacific Street.

02:09:16.980 The investigation revealed that Davis wasn't robbed and police could never establish the

02:09:20.100 motive for the killing.

02:09:21.420 Now, was this the Zodiac?

02:09:23.760 The killer Ray Davis called the police in advance and warned them he would soon be committing

02:09:28.200 a baffling crime.

02:09:29.280 Soon after Davis was killed, the police received another call from the killer, this time threatening

02:09:33.340 to target a random bus driver.

02:09:35.760 Servicemen from the nearby Camp Pendleton were used to help guard bus stops.

02:09:39.240 Astonishingly, even though by the late 69, the Zodiac killer was making headlines throughout

02:09:43.700 the country, no law enforcement agency ever noticed that many similarities between the

02:09:46.860 unsolved murder of Ray Davis and unsolved Zodiac killings.

02:09:49.960 These eerie similarities include shooting a cab driver to death in the wealthiest neighborhood

02:09:54.660 of a city, because as you guys know, Paul Stein was killed in the Presidio area, which

02:09:58.060 is the wealthiest part, calling the police to take credit for the murder.

02:10:00.860 Well, the Zodiac did that as well.

02:10:02.540 Contacted the police to warn of future murders.

02:10:04.780 Old police stating his intent was to baffle the police.

02:10:06.720 The Zodiac did this as well, saying that I'll kill people and you guys won't know it's

02:10:09.820 me because it'll be look like he to arguments, etc.

02:10:12.560 Making a bus the state subject of a death threat, displaying no obvious motive for the

02:10:17.300 murder using both a 22 caliber weapon and a long rifle ammunition in the same killing

02:10:22.040 conclusion with all the unusual similarities between the confirmed Zodiac attacks and the

02:10:26.960 murder of Ray Davis.

02:10:27.880 I see only two possibilities.

02:10:29.380 The Zodiac killer somehow learned of the Davis case and decided to copy it or Davis was killed

02:10:34.660 by the actual Zodiac.

02:10:37.180 In a 1971 letter, the Zodiac killer claimed he had many undiscovered victims in the Southern

02:10:42.700 California and I believe Davis was likely one of them.

02:10:45.500 While there is no available DNA in the Davis case, the possibility exists of using ballistics

02:10:49.120 to prove the same 22 weapon was used in both the Zodiac case and the murder of Ray Davis,

02:10:53.420 which could give us definitive proof.

02:10:55.200 For now, however, Davis is definitely a possible Zodiac victim.

02:10:58.200 And here we go.

02:11:01.980 March 13, 1971.

02:11:03.600 This is Zodiac speaking.

02:11:04.980 Like I have always said, I am the I am crack proof. 1.00

02:11:10.720 If the blue meanies are ever going to catch me, they had best get off their fat asses and 1.00

02:11:17.960 do something because the longer the longer they fiddle and. 1.00

02:11:23.040 OK, I don't know what that says, they fiddle and fuck around. 1.00

02:11:27.100 I think that. 1.00

02:11:27.660 Yeah, the more slaves I will collect for my afterlife.

02:11:31.820 I do have to give whom.

02:11:35.780 Credit for stabilizing across my riverside activity.

02:11:42.080 Oh, I have to give them credit for stumbling across my riverside activity.

02:11:48.160 So what does that do that claims credit for Sherry Jo Bates?

02:11:51.980 OK, but they are only finding the easy ones.

02:11:58.920 There are a hell of a lot more down there.

02:12:03.840 The reason that I'm writing to.

02:12:10.160 To the times is this.

02:12:14.000 They can't.

02:12:16.660 Uh.

02:12:20.680 OK, they can't.

02:12:22.940 Put me on the back pages like some of the other ones.

02:12:27.060 SFPD zero.

02:12:30.200 Zodiac 17 plus.

02:12:32.820 Oh, my God. 1.00

02:12:33.740 This guy is fucking ruthless. 1.00

02:12:38.340 In the movie. 1.00

02:12:41.220 They said that the Lee Allen guy was left handed.

02:12:47.300 Yes.

02:12:47.960 And we'll talk about that here in a second.

02:12:49.940 He is left handed.

02:12:50.840 Because this handwriting looks like a left handed.

02:12:54.300 What makes you say that?

02:12:55.500 Because all like everyone who's left handed, like it kind of like slants over to.

02:13:03.420 Because like their hands like drag. 0.96

02:13:06.300 You know, it's funny.

02:13:07.120 I'm left handed too.

02:13:07.860 And I do that sometimes.

02:13:09.660 Yeah, I am also left handed.

02:13:11.060 And yeah, it does.

02:13:11.700 I got to like.

02:13:12.780 Yeah, I got to like force myself to not have a slant. 1.00

02:13:15.360 So that's good.

02:13:15.780 That's a good observation right there.

02:13:17.580 So, you know, let me see if I can get this.

02:13:21.060 This is March 13th.

02:13:23.140 March 13th, 1971 Zodiac letter.

02:13:30.380 Let me see if I can.

02:13:31.380 Because I want to make sure I get that last part done.

02:13:37.260 Okay.

02:13:37.820 What it actually says here at the end, guys.

02:13:41.840 All right.

02:13:42.220 I'll read it for you out one more time what this letter says.

02:13:43.820 So I make sure I have it correct verbatim.

02:13:45.880 This is Zodiac speaking.

02:13:46.840 Like I have always said, I am crack proof. 1.00

02:13:49.380 If the blue meanies are ever going to catch me, they had best get off their fat asses and do something. 1.00

02:13:54.340 Because the longer they fiddle and fart around, the more slaves I will collect for my afterlife. 0.99

02:13:58.520 I do have to give them credit for stumbling across my riverside activity.

02:14:01.900 But they are only finding the easy ones.

02:14:03.820 There are a hell of a lot more down there.

02:14:05.440 The reason I'm writing to the Times is this.

02:14:07.560 They don't bury me on the back pages like some of the others.

02:14:11.320 SFPD zero.

02:14:12.820 Zodiac.

02:14:13.700 17 plus. 1.00

02:14:14.500 God damn. 1.00

02:14:15.860 This dude's a fucking demon, bro. 1.00

02:14:17.660 Okay. 1.00

02:14:19.160 So that's what that letter actually says.

02:14:21.920 So it's very possible that this person, this guy, Raymond Davis, was also a victim of the Zodiac.

02:14:35.520 And this happened in 1962 before he was formerly known as the Zodiac Killer.

02:14:41.180 Now, should we get into, I guess we'll get into the suspect.

02:14:45.220 So, all right.

02:14:45.800 Let's recap real fast, guys. 0.98

02:14:47.040 Because we went over a fucking lot. 0.92

02:14:50.380 And if you guys are still watching at this point, you know, I told y'all this was going to be in a very extensive one. 0.98

02:14:56.400 You know what I mean?

02:14:56.720 This is a lot of murders, a lot of clues here and there.

02:15:00.280 You know, you got cryptograms.

02:15:01.520 You got letters going to the media.

02:15:02.980 You got him taunting the police.

02:15:04.480 You got him, you know, killing people in certain types of ways.

02:15:08.980 You got links in cases, links in others.

02:15:11.240 It's wild.

02:15:12.040 All right.

02:15:12.500 So let's go ahead and do a quick little.

02:15:14.940 Well, before I recap, Annie, what's your thoughts on this?

02:15:18.780 I don't know.

02:15:19.500 I think that letter was, like, super creepy.

02:15:21.680 Like, I want to know what he means by, like, having slaves in the afterlife.

02:15:27.660 Yeah.

02:15:27.920 That's like, like, where did he get that from?

02:15:30.160 I guess he doesn't believe in a dichotomy of heaven and hell for good people and bad people.

02:15:34.860 No, yeah, it's weird.

02:15:35.920 I just, I don't know.

02:15:37.060 Like, I want to know, like, his, like, psychology.

02:15:39.460 Like, what, like, made him think like that?

02:15:43.640 You know what I mean? 0.94

02:15:44.640 He's clearly a narcissist. 0.65

02:15:45.960 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:46.500 The fact that he's, like, had to write a letter saying, yo, that was not me that called in that goddamn show. 0.96

02:15:52.380 I'm the Zodiac. 0.97

02:15:53.940 You know what I mean?

02:15:54.740 Like, that tells you in itself, like, this guy really enjoyed getting the attention.

02:15:59.780 Yeah.

02:16:00.340 Right?

02:16:00.680 Like, this is, y'all think I'm kidding around when I say people do anything for clout.

02:16:03.580 Bro, my man was causing havoc all over California in the 60s and the 70s. 0.98

02:16:09.960 Fucking causing terror to everybody for clout. 0.98

02:16:13.140 Yeah. 1.00

02:16:13.940 Wild.

02:16:14.480 I don't know.

02:16:14.920 I want to, like, I want to know what he, like, went through, like, in his childhood.

02:16:20.120 Yeah.

02:16:21.080 To, like, make him, like, be like this.

02:16:23.120 Like, there has to be, like, this, like, has to come from somewhere, you know?

02:16:27.200 Yeah. 0.95

02:16:27.400 Most serial killers always have, almost always have fucked up childhoods. 0.97

02:16:30.020 Yeah. 0.97

02:16:30.340 You know, Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker, I covered that last week.

02:16:33.420 Um, he basically witnessed a murder in front of him when he was, like, nine years old.

02:16:37.280 Uh.

02:16:37.580 You know, Jeffrey Dahmer, his mom was a drug addict, popping pills.

02:16:40.520 Yeah.

02:16:40.960 Um.

02:16:41.860 Who else?

02:16:42.140 Wasn't it, like, um, his mom was, like, like, while she was pregnant, she was, like, using

02:16:48.380 cleaning supplies or something?

02:16:50.280 Like.

02:16:50.560 Yeah. 0.77

02:16:50.700 She was a drug addict. 1.00

02:16:51.580 Yeah.

02:16:51.820 She was, like, taking a bunch of, like, anxiety medication and some other stuff while

02:16:55.540 she was pregnant with him.

02:16:56.880 Um.

02:16:57.260 John Wayne Gacy, abusive father, right?

02:17:00.100 Yeah. 0.99

02:17:00.320 Used to beat the shit out of him. 0.96

02:17:01.620 Yeah. 0.99

02:17:01.900 Right? 0.99

02:17:02.000 The killer clown. 1.00

02:17:02.900 All the serial killers, like, typically came from, like, a fucked up background. 0.99

02:17:06.360 If the father was in place, he did something like Richard Ramirez, like his dad, um, chained 0.98

02:17:10.600 him to a tombstone and made him sleep in a graveyard one night for being bad.

02:17:14.380 You're lying.

02:17:15.240 Yeah, no, for real.

02:17:15.740 That's so scary.

02:17:16.760 For real.

02:17:17.180 Oh, my God.

02:17:17.540 And he ended up becoming, like, a devil worshiper later on, a Satanist.

02:17:20.160 Oh.

02:17:21.160 Yeah. 0.91

02:17:22.300 Probably one of the sickest serial killers I've covered.

02:17:24.100 Yeah.

02:17:24.400 And then when he went to court, all the girls, like, were on him, like, just, like, going

02:17:28.340 to his trials and.

02:17:29.880 Really?

02:17:30.560 Yeah, dude.

02:17:30.960 He was, like, a rock star.

02:17:31.760 The girls loved him.

02:17:32.480 Ew.

02:17:33.260 Yeah.

02:17:34.300 Don't say ew.

02:17:35.380 We all know girls are cloud chasers. 1.00

02:17:37.700 Uh.

02:17:38.380 All right.

02:17:38.720 So, let's go ahead and recap this thing for y'all.

02:17:41.600 Because we covered a. 0.53

02:17:42.660 All right.

02:17:45.080 So.

02:17:46.760 Uh.

02:17:47.180 So, first, we went over who the Zodiac Killer is, guys.

02:17:49.620 I mean, simple.

02:17:50.840 Most infamous serial killer in United States history.

02:17:53.600 Okay.

02:17:54.520 So, his first known and documented murder was of David Arthur Faraday and Betty Lou

02:18:00.940 Jensen.

02:18:01.440 Okay.

02:18:01.880 On December 20th, 1968, a Friday, they were killed at Lake Herman Road on the

02:18:08.060 eastern outskirts of Vallejo, California.

02:18:11.460 They were both shot.

02:18:13.260 Betty Lou Jensen was shot five times in the back.

02:18:17.060 And David Faraday was shot once in the head at point-blank range and died within minutes.

02:18:23.200 Okay.

02:18:23.520 So, they both were killed on the scene.

02:18:25.280 Then you fast forward to July 4th, 1969.

02:18:29.220 And Darlene Elizabeth Faraday and Mike Renault Maju were both attacked in Blue Rock Springs

02:18:37.780 Park on the eastern outskirts of Vallejo, California.

02:18:40.780 Okay.

02:18:41.000 And Darlene Faraday was killed.

02:18:43.740 She was shot nine times.

02:18:44.620 Mike Maju was shot four times.

02:18:46.660 The weapon was a nine-millimeter semi-automatic pistol.

02:18:50.280 And Maju was able to survive the attack.

02:18:53.260 And that's going to be an important note later on.

02:18:55.880 Okay.

02:18:56.700 Then, we had the attack on September 27th, 1969, of Cecilia Shepard and Brian Calvin Hartnell.

02:19:04.780 All right.

02:19:06.000 They were attacked via knife.

02:19:08.340 They were robbed by an individual wearing what appeared to be an executioner's type mask bib

02:19:13.060 with the infamous crosshairs on it.

02:19:15.920 And it seemed to be an attempted robbery, but he ended up stabbing them, killing Cecilia in the process.

02:19:23.880 Hartnell survived.

02:19:24.920 He was able to describe the individual, luckily.

02:19:27.440 And, yeah, probably one of the more violent offenses.

02:19:31.600 Then, we had the shooting of Paul Stein on October 11th, 1969, okay, not even a month later, in San Francisco.

02:19:41.240 Shot him in the back of the head, killed him in Presidio Heights, one of the most, I guess, most expensive neighborhoods in the area,

02:19:49.460 which draws a starkling resemblance to the murder of Ray Davis, who was also killed in 1962.

02:20:00.480 And then, also, we were able to link, pretty much definitively, but it's still not like 100% like the others,

02:20:07.300 was the murder of Sherry Jo Bates, who was violently stabbed and attacked in Riverside, California, a college student in an alley

02:20:17.100 after the attacker purposely disabled her car and offered her help.

02:20:21.060 And then, you wrote that sickening letter of his attack on her with details that only the police knew.

02:20:26.440 Okay, so they were able to link that one over to the Zodiac as well.

02:20:30.080 So, we've established the victims.

02:20:33.920 Now, we're going to go ahead and get into the suspects.

02:20:41.240 Okay, guys, now, there's a bunch of suspects.

02:20:43.700 Everyone and their mom came forward saying that, I'm the Zodiac killer.

02:20:47.120 So, you guys got to remember, this is the most famous case in U.S. history at this point, unsolved.

02:20:50.900 All right, so everyone wants to clout.

02:20:52.780 All right, so we're going to go over my top three.

02:20:57.460 All right, I would say we're going to go over the top three.

02:21:00.060 Now, the most famous by far is Arthur Lee Allen.

02:21:04.160 Okay, and I'm going to play a clip from the movie as well for you guys that kind of demonstrates a bunch of the evidence.

02:21:17.980 You know what?

02:21:18.620 Maybe I'll do that first.

02:21:21.500 So, in this movie, the Zodiac, right, Jake Gyllenhaal plays a cartoonist that became obsessed with the Zodiac and finding out who he is.

02:21:31.940 All right, this is kind of when he hits the Eureka moment and pins it all, and he's able to connect everything to Arthur Lee Allen.

02:21:41.260 All right, so I'll give y'all.

02:21:48.600 So, he goes and he interviews this woman who is friends with Darlene, this woman right here.

02:21:56.440 Okay, Darlene Elizabeth Farron.

02:21:58.540 Okay, so, and he's playing. 0.95

02:22:01.940 In the movie, goddammit, hold on.

02:22:03.740 Let me make sure I do the guy justice because this guy actually ended up writing a book.

02:22:09.440 Zodiac book.

02:22:13.000 Robert Graysmith.

02:22:14.160 There we go.

02:22:14.900 Sorry.

02:22:15.540 So, he plays Robert Graysmith in this movie.

02:22:17.740 Okay.

02:22:19.480 So, in this scene, he's interviewing a friend of Darlene Elizabeth Farron.

02:22:23.800 All right, in prison.

02:22:24.520 And this is how he starts piecing everything together.

02:22:28.520 And then we'll go ahead and get into who Arthur Lee Allen was.

02:22:32.920 He used to bring her presents from Tijuana.

02:22:36.160 And I don't know why she was... 0.83

02:22:38.220 She's talking about Lee at this point.

02:22:40.040 But he doesn't know that he's talking about Lee.

02:22:41.600 He was friends with him.

02:22:43.500 She once told me he killed somebody.

02:22:46.080 Really?

02:22:46.460 Yeah, I think maybe when he was in the service.

02:22:50.120 Maybe?

02:22:51.200 I think so.

02:22:52.200 Was he into movies?

02:22:52.980 Was he a movie buff?

02:22:54.000 I can...

02:22:54.840 Hmm.

02:22:56.120 Maybe.

02:22:56.980 We talked about those wing walker boots.

02:22:58.600 Tell you that he was not into people.

02:23:00.060 The party Darlene threw, people were supposed to just show up and drink beer and help paint. 1.00

02:23:05.920 But this guy showed up in a suit and just sat in a chair all by himself all night long.

02:23:11.280 Didn't talk to anyone.

02:23:12.920 And Darlene told me to stay away from him.

02:23:14.740 She was scared of him.

02:23:16.900 And a couple weeks later, she was dead.

02:23:21.320 Sorry.

02:23:22.260 Do you remember his name?

02:23:23.380 I mean, it was short.

02:23:26.060 Like a nickname.

02:23:27.480 Like Stan.

02:23:28.860 Rick?

02:23:30.060 No, I don't think so.

02:23:31.960 Are you sure?

02:23:33.300 Yeah.

02:23:34.320 How can you be sure?

02:23:35.420 It was a long time ago.

02:23:36.380 Think hard.

02:23:37.060 I am thinking hard.

02:23:39.120 It was Rick.

02:23:41.560 No, it wasn't.

02:23:42.700 It was Rick Marshall.

02:23:44.560 No.

02:23:44.880 All right.

02:23:45.160 The reason why he says he thinks it's Rick...

02:23:46.880 He says Rick Marshall, guys.

02:23:48.260 Because if you guys remember, right?

02:23:49.980 You go back to the Sherry Ann... 0.80

02:23:52.980 Sherry Joe.

02:23:54.460 Sorry.

02:23:56.500 Sherry Joseph Bates.

02:23:58.000 Sherry Bates, right?

02:23:59.060 And you go to the poem...

02:24:02.620 R-H. 0.55

02:24:04.340 Okay?

02:24:05.080 So that is what made him think that it was Rick Marshall.

02:24:08.800 Okay?

02:24:10.460 But let's continue on.

02:24:11.600 Something else happens.

02:24:13.340 Just say it.

02:24:15.160 It wasn't Rick.

02:24:16.920 So he's frustrated because he's been chasing this guy Rick the whole time.

02:24:24.740 Thinking he was the Zodiac.

02:24:26.920 It was Lee. 1.00

02:24:29.940 Oh, shit. 0.99

02:24:34.820 Now, just so y'all know, Lee is Arthur Lee Allen. 1.00

02:24:39.120 He never went by the name Arthur.

02:24:40.980 Everyone called him Lee.

02:24:42.640 So, Darlene, the woman that was murdered in that clip that I showed y'all in the beginning,

02:24:48.240 that was married,

02:24:50.500 she had a painting party,

02:24:52.340 and this guy Lee came up,

02:24:53.660 came in a suit,

02:24:54.400 and he was extremely awkward and strange.

02:24:57.840 Now, we're going to see if it's the real Lee, though.

02:24:59.880 If it's the same Lee.

02:25:00.760 We're going to see.

02:25:03.520 Lee?

02:25:04.840 Yeah, Lee.

02:25:07.300 Sounds right.

02:25:07.900 So, now, Robert's like, 0.99

02:25:13.200 wait, what the fuck? 0.99

02:25:13.940 I got to go. 1.00

02:25:14.620 I got to go back to the police department.

02:25:16.000 So, he runs to the Vallejo Police Department.

02:25:19.320 Officer.

02:25:21.040 Please let me in.

02:25:22.800 I just need to see one file.

02:25:24.200 You need to come in and buy a long one.

02:25:28.300 Sergeant.

02:25:28.820 Sergeant, hold on.

02:25:30.120 Sergeant, I just need to see one file.

02:25:32.680 Just give me five minutes.

02:25:33.720 I know exactly where it is.

02:25:37.080 Please.

02:25:38.800 And just so y'all know,

02:25:40.060 this case,

02:25:40.940 the Zodiac case,

02:25:42.100 to this day,

02:25:43.160 there's a bunch of people,

02:25:44.720 amateur detectives,

02:25:45.880 running around, 1.00

02:25:46.660 still trying to solve this goddamn case 1.00

02:25:49.240 to this day in 2022, guys. 0.99

02:25:51.060 Okay?

02:25:52.020 This thing happened in the 60s,

02:25:54.240 and people are still to this day

02:25:55.680 trying to figure it out.

02:25:56.480 So, Graysmith, right,

02:25:58.400 was obsessed with this.

02:26:00.360 I shouldn't be talking to you.

02:26:15.520 You've got five minutes.

02:26:16.560 Okay.

02:26:19.700 Here, here.

02:26:21.340 Linda states that some of Darlene's closest friends are

02:26:24.100 Lee,

02:26:25.200 who used to bring Darlene presents from Tijuana.

02:26:28.200 Bam,

02:26:28.540 and that's in a police report.

02:26:30.620 All right?

02:26:31.380 So,

02:26:32.000 he remembered when he was going through the reports

02:26:35.200 that name Lee.

02:26:37.220 So what?

02:26:37.760 He knew her.

02:26:39.280 Linda said Lee. 0.97

02:26:40.280 This is Lee.

02:26:41.240 That's just one name,

02:26:42.300 and a file that contains hundreds.

02:26:43.460 It's nothing.

02:26:45.800 Dave Tosky agrees with me.

02:26:48.480 Our investigation into the subject

02:26:49.920 is over.

02:26:51.120 Sorry.

02:26:55.660 Oh.

02:27:04.520 No.

02:27:12.000 Something to note

02:27:12.920 is that he received these phone calls

02:27:14.880 with someone breathing heavy on the line,

02:27:16.840 and they continued

02:27:18.620 until Lee passed away.

02:27:20.940 So he always suspected

02:27:21.860 that it was Lee calling him.

02:27:31.800 All right.

02:27:32.240 So this is his wife walks in,

02:27:33.380 right?

02:27:33.640 She throws this, 0.88

02:27:34.440 this file at him.

02:27:36.680 Okay.

02:27:38.140 And he looks at it.

02:27:39.020 Yeah, it did.

02:27:40.540 Do whatever you have to.

02:27:43.860 Finish this.

02:27:46.640 He's going to take a look at it now.

02:27:47.980 Oh, hold on.

02:28:07.520 Arthur Lee Allen.

02:28:09.680 Birthday,

02:28:11.000 December 18th,

02:28:13.420 1933.

02:28:14.140 Okay.

02:28:15.940 And here is his California driver's license.

02:28:18.940 You guys got to remember

02:28:19.840 that back then,

02:28:21.840 right?

02:28:22.240 Driver's licenses aren't as refined

02:28:23.860 as they are now.

02:28:24.560 You know,

02:28:24.820 they were like pieces of paper.

02:28:26.300 They weren't like,

02:28:27.260 you know,

02:28:27.540 plastic or,

02:28:28.480 you know,

02:28:29.280 good quality stuff

02:28:30.540 like we have nowadays.

02:28:31.380 the scene where he was like stabbing the couple.

02:28:39.700 Yeah.

02:28:39.900 And he was like,

02:28:40.680 oh,

02:28:40.880 I'm going to take your car

02:28:42.900 and I'm going to go to Mexico.

02:28:44.680 And then they,

02:28:46.800 the girl said that he would always bring

02:28:49.760 like back like souvenirs from Tijuana.

02:28:53.000 Oh,

02:28:53.440 good point. 1.00

02:28:54.060 Oh shit. 0.99

02:28:54.880 Okay. 1.00

02:28:55.200 So,

02:29:01.320 okay.

02:29:01.540 So what does he do?

02:29:02.240 He,

02:29:02.420 he finds out his birthday

02:29:03.620 and you guys are going to see the significance

02:29:04.800 of this in a second.

02:29:05.880 Okay.

02:29:06.720 Um,

02:29:07.280 so we're going to,

02:29:08.960 he runs over to David Tosche's house,

02:29:11.000 the inspector.

02:29:12.340 Okay.

02:29:15.440 After getting this information,

02:29:16.800 he says it's Arthur Lee Allen

02:29:22.660 because Tosche obviously

02:29:24.360 didn't want to talk to him.

02:29:25.060 Like,

02:29:25.140 bro,

02:29:25.260 you're annoying. 0.90

02:29:27.360 It's Arthur Lee Allen.

02:29:28.680 He opens the door.

02:29:29.900 Where'd you get that name?

02:29:30.820 Where'd you get that name?

02:29:33.380 Call the Bell Ice house.

02:29:35.060 December.

02:29:35.400 Now,

02:29:35.760 just so y'all know,

02:29:36.500 right?

02:29:36.880 So inspector Tosche is like, 1.00

02:29:39.700 what the fuck? 1.00

02:29:40.460 Because he's a private citizen. 1.00

02:29:42.020 He shouldn't know that.

02:29:43.340 But unbeknown to,

02:29:45.040 you know,

02:29:46.160 Graysmith at this point,

02:29:47.220 played by Jake Gyllenhaal,

02:29:50.040 Arthur Lee Allen

02:29:50.820 Allen was the prime suspect

02:29:52.680 for SFPD

02:29:55.120 and for Vallejo Police Department.

02:29:57.800 He was the prime suspect

02:29:58.600 for damn near two years.

02:30:00.560 All right.

02:30:01.420 So,

02:30:02.340 um,

02:30:02.760 so obviously Tosche is like,

02:30:04.280 whoa, 0.80

02:30:04.460 what the hell does this guy have

02:30:05.540 to be able to link it like that?

02:30:09.360 69. 1.00

02:30:09.960 I need to kill. 1.00

02:30:10.520 Today's my birthday. 1.00

02:30:11.280 It was his birthday.

02:30:13.520 Arthur Lee Allen was born

02:30:14.640 on December 18th.

02:30:19.200 Get in here.

02:30:19.880 Because he sent a letter 1.00

02:30:23.780 saying I need to kill him 1.00

02:30:24.980 on my birthday, 1.00

02:30:25.500 which was dated

02:30:26.020 on December 18th.

02:30:26.900 And he sent it to,

02:30:27.680 uh,

02:30:28.160 that famous psychologist

02:30:29.320 that was on that TV show.

02:30:30.640 Let me see if I can pull up

02:30:31.280 the letter for y'all.

02:30:32.380 Here you go.

02:30:33.840 Thanks.

02:30:37.360 He wrote me,

02:30:38.060 you know,

02:30:39.700 2,500 suspects.

02:30:41.300 The only one who ever wrote me

02:30:42.140 a letter was Lee Allen.

02:30:45.660 They like to help,

02:30:46.680 you know,

02:30:47.180 sometimes.

02:30:47.600 Yes,

02:30:47.940 Robert,

02:30:48.160 did I know.

02:30:50.420 It was arrested January,

02:30:51.680 1975 for molestation.

02:30:53.460 He sent me that

02:30:53.980 when he got out.

02:30:55.340 Dear Dave,

02:30:55.780 if I can ever give

02:30:56.440 any help to you,

02:30:57.180 just let me know.

02:30:58.040 I'm sorry I wasn't your man.

02:31:00.000 And it's typewritten.

02:31:01.700 Using a typewriter

02:31:02.580 is not a crime.

02:31:03.260 and he knew Darlene.

02:31:08.560 See,

02:31:08.960 the Vallejo files.

02:31:15.860 Bolneck said

02:31:16.640 that he was your favorite suspect,

02:31:19.260 that you spent two years on him,

02:31:21.400 and that nobody ever came close.

02:31:23.040 All the evidence said no.

02:31:29.500 Sherwood disqualified his handwriting.

02:31:32.100 The same Sherwood.

02:31:32.660 Sherwood was a

02:31:33.760 handwriting expert,

02:31:35.660 which back then,

02:31:36.360 guys,

02:31:36.620 was very important,

02:31:37.820 right?

02:31:38.080 Like,

02:31:38.340 people actually wrote things

02:31:40.300 back in the day

02:31:40.920 versus typing and texting.

02:31:42.480 So,

02:31:43.100 he was a handwriting expert,

02:31:44.620 and he actually disqualified Lee

02:31:46.280 and said the handwriting

02:31:47.620 wasn't the same.

02:31:48.820 With the drinks like Paul Avery now.

02:31:50.320 But,

02:31:51.360 there was heavy speculation

02:31:53.160 that Lee was ambidextrous,

02:31:55.340 which means you could write

02:31:55.980 with both hands.

02:31:57.400 So,

02:31:57.620 he could have potentially written

02:31:58.720 with another hand

02:32:00.560 to throw off the police.

02:32:03.980 Yes,

02:32:04.420 you have Sherwood more in writing

02:32:05.620 saying,

02:32:05.980 I'm sorry,

02:32:06.300 this is just...

02:32:06.660 All right,

02:32:06.880 now pay attention,

02:32:07.440 guys.

02:32:07.640 This is where he's going to

02:32:08.720 recap some of the evidence,

02:32:09.820 and we're going to go through

02:32:10.400 that same evidence here.

02:32:11.520 But I wanted to show you guys

02:32:12.340 in a cinematic version

02:32:13.220 so that it makes more sense

02:32:14.120 when we actually go through it,

02:32:15.500 and we'll dispel

02:32:15.980 what may have been Hollywood

02:32:17.260 versus what actually is fact.

02:32:19.200 We also have

02:32:20.040 Terry Pascoe's protégé.

02:32:21.440 Yeah,

02:32:21.620 fine,

02:32:21.900 it's his protégé,

02:32:22.480 but he's a handwriting expert

02:32:23.400 nonetheless,

02:32:24.020 and he's saying,

02:32:24.540 do not disqualify this suspect

02:32:26.060 on the basis of handwriting

02:32:27.340 so that the two cancel

02:32:28.240 each other out.

02:32:28.780 No,

02:32:28.960 they don't.

02:32:29.560 It was Sherwood's case.

02:32:30.920 He was the head

02:32:31.440 of question documents.

02:32:32.540 If it went to trial,

02:32:33.620 all the defense would have to do

02:32:35.140 is call Sherwood to the stand,

02:32:36.820 and there was no way

02:32:37.520 of getting Allen

02:32:38.120 into court in the first place

02:32:39.280 because there was no evidence,

02:32:40.740 Robert.

02:32:41.100 What do you mean

02:32:41.360 there's no evidence?

02:32:42.200 You have him seen

02:32:42.800 with the ciphers,

02:32:43.480 the military boot prints,

02:32:44.520 the same size shoes and gloves,

02:32:45.820 the most dangerous game,

02:32:46.800 the Zodiac watch.

02:32:48.320 Okay,

02:32:48.780 so Lee had

02:32:50.280 a Zodiac watch,

02:32:51.600 okay,

02:32:51.900 guys,

02:32:52.160 that was very similar

02:32:53.100 to the symbol,

02:32:54.540 and I'm going to show you guys

02:32:55.460 what it looks like real fast.

02:32:58.300 Zodiac watch,

02:33:00.580 1960s,

02:33:01.700 and it has the same 1.00

02:33:02.580 goddamn symbol. 0.99

02:33:04.680 y'all can see here. 1.00

02:33:13.500 That's what it looks like.

02:33:16.780 1960s,

02:33:17.180 it has the same symbol

02:33:18.080 and it's called Zodiac,

02:33:19.320 so he wore one of those watches,

02:33:21.440 okay,

02:33:21.800 and his favorite book

02:33:24.160 was

02:33:25.300 The Most Dangerous Game.

02:33:28.080 From his school children,

02:33:29.140 the misspellings of...

02:33:29.800 He admitted this on an interview

02:33:30.780 with the police.

02:33:33.080 He has a background

02:33:35.060 with school children.

02:33:35.760 He used to be a teacher,

02:33:36.320 but he was arrested

02:33:36.840 for molesting one of the children.

02:33:39.560 Christmas, 0.99

02:33:40.060 the bloody knives.

02:33:40.500 All circumstantial.

02:33:41.580 He spells Christmas 0.82

02:33:42.320 with two S's,

02:33:43.940 and he had bloody knives

02:33:45.580 on the day

02:33:46.860 that

02:33:47.660 Hartnell

02:33:50.300 and Cecilia

02:33:51.580 were stabbed

02:33:52.860 at Lake Berryessa.

02:33:54.860 He claimed

02:33:55.440 that he had been

02:33:56.160 hunting chickens

02:33:56.880 on that day.

02:33:59.480 Stein's shirt,

02:34:00.160 his wallet,

02:34:00.820 his keys.

02:34:02.040 We should have found

02:34:02.660 one of those things

02:34:03.260 in that trailer.

02:34:03.920 We didn't.

02:34:05.700 That's...

02:34:06.060 Now,

02:34:06.420 the police did a search warrant,

02:34:07.520 guys,

02:34:07.780 at his house,

02:34:08.500 at his trailer.

02:34:09.900 But,

02:34:10.780 Graysmith comes up 0.96

02:34:11.460 with a good rebuttal for this

02:34:12.460 because he's saying,

02:34:13.260 yo,

02:34:13.340 we should have found

02:34:13.840 that evidence

02:34:14.360 at his place.

02:34:15.560 Stein's shirt,

02:34:16.640 knife,

02:34:17.000 something.

02:34:17.820 Even though they did

02:34:18.420 find gloves

02:34:18.880 that match

02:34:19.380 the size seven.

02:34:23.580 Okay.

02:34:24.420 Catherine Allen states

02:34:25.480 that Lee cleaned out

02:34:26.320 his trailer

02:34:26.700 on Friday after work

02:34:27.700 and moved it to Santa Rosa

02:34:28.720 on Saturday,

02:34:29.320 August 7th,

02:34:29.940 1971.

02:34:31.420 You interviewed him

02:34:32.300 at the refinery

02:34:32.880 on August 4th.

02:34:33.860 Yeah.

02:34:34.200 So he's cleaning out

02:34:34.860 his trailer.

02:34:35.360 He's moving it

02:34:35.820 to a different county

02:34:36.540 48 hours

02:34:37.340 after you interviewed him.

02:34:40.680 Okay.

02:34:41.820 Okay.

02:34:42.340 Look at this stuff

02:34:42.900 side by side.

02:34:43.940 All right.

02:34:44.580 Okay.

02:34:45.000 Arthur Lee Allen

02:34:45.800 and the Zodiac,

02:34:46.840 their timelines.

02:34:48.020 When was the first murder

02:34:48.820 in Vallejo?

02:34:49.440 Christmas 1968.

02:34:50.820 Eight months before that,

02:34:51.880 Allen is fired

02:34:52.480 for molesting his students

02:34:53.480 and his family discovers 0.99

02:34:54.520 that he's a pedophile. 0.76

02:34:55.720 Now, 0.98

02:34:55.920 when do the letters begin?

02:34:56.680 July 69th.

02:34:58.160 After the murder

02:34:58.800 of Darlene Farrin

02:34:59.700 and they continue

02:35:00.660 until you go to see him

02:35:02.160 at work.

02:35:03.160 Now,

02:35:03.440 after that,

02:35:03.940 do any of the letters

02:35:04.640 contain swatches

02:35:05.380 of Paul Stein's shirt?

02:35:06.360 No,

02:35:06.800 because he dumped him

02:35:07.520 because he got scared

02:35:08.200 because he knew

02:35:08.600 that you were onto him.

02:35:10.080 So when's the next letter

02:35:10.840 from Zodiac?

02:35:11.620 Not until January of 1974.

02:35:14.000 He is silent for three years.

02:35:15.460 Then in 74,

02:35:16.300 he feels comfortable again

02:35:17.220 because everybody's moved off

02:35:18.240 Allen as a suspect.

02:35:19.380 What do we get?

02:35:20.180 Three new letters

02:35:20.800 from Zodiac

02:35:21.380 in January,

02:35:22.160 May,

02:35:22.340 and July in 74th.

02:35:24.400 But then the letters stop.

02:35:25.640 What happens to Allen?

02:35:30.920 He's arrested.

02:35:33.420 January 1975,

02:35:35.140 they send him

02:35:35.540 to a Tascadero.

02:35:37.080 We don't get another letter

02:35:37.960 from Zodiac

02:35:38.520 the entire time he's there.

02:35:39.960 When is he released?

02:35:41.600 August 77th.

02:35:42.120 Alan gets out.

02:35:43.620 He types you an apology.

02:35:45.220 And then what?

02:35:46.340 We get our first new Zodiac letter

02:35:48.000 in four years.

02:35:50.840 A lot of coincidences there.

02:35:57.140 Okay.

02:35:58.600 Zodiac had to have known

02:35:59.500 Darlene Farron, right?

02:36:00.580 Yes,

02:36:00.800 because of the phone calls

02:36:01.700 on the night of her murder.

02:36:02.900 Because of the Vallejo file,

02:36:05.480 we know that Darlene

02:36:06.780 knew a man named Lee.

02:36:08.100 Yes.

02:36:08.960 So all coincidence aside,

02:36:10.260 Robert,

02:36:10.720 how can you be sure

02:36:11.780 that Lee Allen

02:36:12.460 is a Lee from this file?

02:36:13.820 Now,

02:36:13.980 Vallejo is a small town,

02:36:15.060 but it's not that small.

02:36:16.360 How do you put

02:36:16.800 the two of them together?

02:36:17.700 This is a case

02:36:18.420 that's covered both

02:36:19.220 northern and southern

02:36:20.120 California

02:36:20.740 with victims and suspects

02:36:22.080 spread over hundreds of miles.

02:36:23.460 Would you agree?

02:36:24.460 Yes.

02:36:26.600 Darlene Farron

02:36:27.460 worked at the Vallejo

02:36:28.520 House of Pancakes

02:36:29.320 on the corner

02:36:30.000 of Tennessee and Carroll.

02:36:31.280 Arthur Lee Allen

02:36:35.600 lived in his mother's

02:36:37.860 basement on Fresno Street. 1.00

02:36:39.840 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:36:41.840 So, 1.00

02:36:42.780 he lived,

02:36:44.860 again, guys,

02:36:45.840 we're talking about Darlene

02:36:47.080 right here.

02:36:48.220 He lived

02:36:48.800 literally

02:36:49.720 right next door.

02:36:55.860 Door

02:36:56.380 to door

02:36:57.500 that is less than

02:36:58.580 50 yards.

02:37:01.280 Is that true?

02:37:04.440 So,

02:37:04.740 it's the same Lee

02:37:05.320 that went to that

02:37:06.520 house painting party.

02:37:08.700 I've walked.

02:37:14.160 Jesus Christ.

02:37:22.200 So?

02:37:26.940 The Prince

02:37:27.780 and the handwriting.

02:37:28.900 I'm not asking you

02:37:29.580 as a cop,

02:37:30.380 but I am a cop.

02:37:31.280 I can't prove this.

02:37:36.720 Just because you can't prove

02:37:37.840 it doesn't mean it's not true. 0.93

02:37:40.000 Easy, dirty Harry.

02:37:45.060 Finish the book.

02:37:47.120 Right.

02:37:47.660 And he was writing a book

02:37:48.720 throughout this time.

02:37:51.480 Which ended up being released

02:37:52.900 later on.

02:37:53.620 Now,

02:37:54.640 we're going to fast forward here

02:37:55.900 to something that was

02:37:58.020 actually factually true.

02:37:59.060 So,

02:37:59.740 seven and a half years later,

02:38:15.700 Ontario, Canada,

02:38:16.540 August 16th,

02:38:17.800 1991.

02:38:18.640 Hausa View 901.

02:38:23.940 Hausa View 901.

02:38:31.680 Hausa View 901.

02:38:40.100 Hausa View 901.

02:38:42.200 Hante Walk.

02:38:43.280 Hausa View 901.

02:38:44.620 Hausaiała View 901.

02:38:45.120 Hausa View 901.

02:38:45.880 Hausa View 901.

02:38:46.440 Hausaева Спanary 901.

02:38:47.380 Mr. Mergeau, thanks for coming to see me.

02:39:11.960 He's the one I talked to on the phone.

02:39:13.520 I'm George Bauer, Vallejo PD.

02:39:15.340 I took over for Jack Monix.

02:39:17.380 All right, guys, this is now your boy, Mad Joe, the guy that was shot in the beginning

02:39:25.420 of the movie and survived, okay?

02:39:29.200 He was 20, he was 19.

02:39:35.140 So in 1991, he's about, what, 40 years old now at this point?

02:39:40.660 This is 22 years later?

02:39:43.120 Yeah.

02:39:44.520 Yeah.

02:39:44.960 He's like maybe late 30s, 40s at this point.

02:39:47.000 My math sucks, but you guys get the idea.

02:39:49.060 So they bring him in. 0.84

02:39:51.660 It's been 22 years.

02:39:54.180 I don't know how I can help you.

02:39:55.880 Well, this is just a formality.

02:39:57.320 I'm going to show you a group of photographs.

02:39:58.780 Now, the person that shot you may or may not be among these photographs.

02:40:02.760 You don't have to pick anybody out just because I'm showing you these pictures.

02:40:05.060 You understand?

02:40:06.520 Yes, sir.

02:40:07.020 I do.

02:40:08.540 All right.

02:40:10.920 Take your time.

02:40:11.660 If you don't recognize anyone, that's okay.

02:40:27.320 It's him. 0.99

02:40:30.260 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:40:31.460 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:40:32.160 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:40:32.800 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:40:33.500 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:40:34.000 How sure are you? 1.00

02:40:35.620 You're pretty sure.

02:40:36.340 He had a wrong face like this guy.

02:40:41.640 I might understand that you're now identifying the second part.

02:40:44.620 Now, just so you guys know, and let me tell you all this from my personal experience as

02:40:47.680 far as showing photo lineups in the race.

02:40:49.600 This is a critical moment in your investigation when you show someone a photo array.

02:40:55.400 You typically give it to them.

02:40:56.440 Tell them, hey, pick the guy out.

02:40:58.660 Take your time.

02:40:59.460 Get a good look at it.

02:41:00.320 And you literally tell them, yo, are you sure?

02:41:04.100 Are you sure?

02:41:05.220 You want to make sure that when they give an identification, that it is positive, affirmative

02:41:10.340 to every degree.

02:41:12.640 Okay?

02:41:13.140 So that's why he's saying, yo, are you sure you're not that guy?

02:41:16.920 Now, I don't know.

02:41:18.440 This is strange that he would be doing this alone.

02:41:19.960 Typically, you want another officer with you so you have a witness.

02:41:23.300 But this might have been done for more theatrical effect.

02:41:25.800 But more than likely, I guarantee it was probably another investigator with him when he did

02:41:30.180 this.

02:41:30.940 But this is factual for them to be asking, yo, are you sure?

02:41:38.020 And did you just identify that other guy?

02:41:39.800 Blah, blah, blah.

02:41:40.940 I'm just interested that you had a round face like that. 0.82

02:41:45.680 It's this man.

02:41:48.060 All right.

02:41:51.260 Now, on a scale of one to ten, ten being positive.

02:41:55.800 Oh, sure, are you?

02:42:03.660 At least an eight.

02:42:08.260 Last time I saw his face was July 4th, 1969.

02:42:15.340 I'm very sure that's the man who shot me. 1.00

02:42:19.260 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:42:20.420 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:42:21.120 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:42:21.800 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:42:22.320 And as you guys know, hurdy-gurdy plays again, as it did in the beginning of the movie. 0.99

02:42:28.100 Now, in 2002, a partial DNA profile that did not match Allen was developed from a 33-year-old

02:42:34.220 Zodiac envelope.

02:42:35.100 Investigators in San Francisco and Vallejo refused to rule out Allen as a suspect on the

02:42:38.260 basis of this test.

02:42:39.700 In 2004, the San Francisco Police Department deactivated their Zodiac investigation.

02:42:43.360 As you guys know, that was a Stein murder.

02:42:44.820 However, today, the case remains open in Napa County, Solano County, and in the city of

02:42:48.760 Vallejo, where Arthur Lee Allen is still the prime and only suspect.

02:42:53.800 In fact, okay.

02:42:57.880 Hold on.

02:42:58.400 I'm going to mute it real quick because we don't want to get hit with the copyright.

02:43:03.880 Too bad.

02:43:04.160 I'm probably going to get hit with the copyright regardless.

02:43:07.880 But that was a song that they used for this.

02:43:09.720 I'm curious to see if they actually played that song while he was getting shot.

02:43:14.080 Like, were they actually listening to that on the radio?

02:43:15.440 The song came out in 1968.

02:43:16.960 Inspector Dave Tasha retired from the San Francisco Police Department in 1989.

02:43:19.620 He was cleared of all charges that he wrote the 1978 Zodiac letter. 0.67

02:43:22.020 Yeah, he got hit with some internal affairs bullshit, but he ended up beating it.

02:43:25.220 Paul Irving passed away on December 10, 2000, of pulmonary emphysema. 0.69

02:43:28.880 He was 66.

02:43:29.400 His ashes were scattered by his family in San Francisco Bay.

02:43:33.100 He was a reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle, if I'm not mistaken.

02:43:36.600 And then Robert Gray Smith lives in San Francisco and enjoys a healthy relationship with his children.

02:43:40.220 He claims he has not received a single anonymous call since Alan's death.

02:43:44.000 As you guys know, that heavy breathing he always suspected was Alan.

02:43:47.620 Now, going back to Alan's birthday.

02:43:50.520 Okay, guys, this is the Melvin Belli letter.

02:43:52.940 All right.

02:43:53.320 This was another piece of evidence that made people think that it was your boy Lee.

02:44:02.340 So in January of 1970, the person claiming to be the Zodiac rang the Belli residence and spoke with his housekeeper, Erna, requesting to speak with a flamboyant lawyer, only to be told he was unavailable and out of the country.

02:44:13.480 The caller replied, I can't wait.

02:44:17.120 Today's my birthday.

02:44:18.740 Okay.

02:44:18.960 This interaction was detailed in the partially redacted FBI file on January 14, 1970, shown below.

02:44:25.820 The phone call would have been placed in the days before this urgent request labeled instant date, January 14th.

02:44:32.340 On February 18, 1970, the caller to the Jim Dunbar show was traced and identified by San Francisco police as Eric Weill.

02:44:38.000 They contacted the FBI with the details, but this information not appeared in the newspapers.

02:44:41.780 Eric Weill was almost certainly responsible for both the Jim Dunbar show call and the call to Belli's residence, stating, I can't wait.

02:44:47.640 Today's my birthday.

02:44:48.260 Eric Weill was born on January 10, 1940.

02:44:50.620 His father's name was Sam.

02:44:51.800 Hold on one second.

02:44:52.760 Something's off here.

02:44:53.480 So this was a letter that was sent to Melvin Belli, right?

02:45:04.720 The lawyer that was on that show.

02:45:07.120 This is Zodiac speaking.

02:45:09.900 I wish you a happy Christmas with two S's, by the way, which is how Lee would spell.

02:45:15.680 The one thing I ask of you is this.

02:45:17.100 Please help me.

02:45:17.760 I cannot reach out for help because of this thing in me want this thing in me want to let me.

02:45:23.500 I'm finding it extremely difficult to hold it in check.

02:45:26.700 I am afraid I will lose control again and take my ninth plus possibly 10 victim.

02:45:32.000 Please help me.

02:45:32.600 I am drowning at the moment.

02:45:34.180 The children are safe from the bomb because it is so massive to dig in.

02:45:38.560 Plus, the trigger mech requires much work to get it adjusted just right.

02:45:43.260 But if I hold back too long from no nine, I will lose all control of myself plus set the bomb up.

02:45:54.140 Please help me.

02:45:54.720 I can not remain in control for much longer.

02:45:57.900 Okay.

02:45:58.660 So, yeah.

02:46:00.340 Very, very strange because he did send a letter one time, guys, which was verified that had instructions on how to build a bomb.

02:46:06.780 Okay.

02:46:07.400 Which actually led to a lot of people thinking that it was the Unabomber, right?

02:46:12.740 Ted Kaczynski as the Zodiac Killer, but he was ruled out.

02:46:17.800 All right.

02:46:18.580 Now, let's go into the hard evidence of what makes them think Arthur Lee was the suspect.

02:46:23.780 We covered what the movie had.

02:46:25.340 We covered one of the Belli letters.

02:46:27.560 Okay.

02:46:29.000 Now, let's go ahead and talk about Arthur Lee's connections to the Zodiac Killer began on October 30th, 1966, when Sherry Joe Bates was stabbed to death at Riverside College in Riverside, California.

02:46:43.040 In late November 1966, two anonymous typewritten Bates murder confession letters were mailed to the local police newspaper.

02:46:49.240 I read one of them for you guys.

02:46:50.740 The typewriter was identified as being a royal model with either elite or pika tape.

02:46:54.680 Allen allegedly was in Riverside the weekend Bates was murdered.

02:46:58.680 The information placing Allen in Riverside was developed in 1971 by the Vallejo Police Department and California Department of Justice.

02:47:05.340 Allen later hinted it was true, first claiming to have been in the area at the time, then telling people he was in nearby Pomona when he first heard of the Bates murder.

02:47:14.200 Okay.

02:47:14.480 So that's one thing, right?

02:47:15.820 That's one clue.

02:47:18.080 Employed as an elementary school teacher in California's Calaveras County at the time of the Bates murder.

02:47:22.540 By the time his employment ended in late March 1968, Allen had used only one of 19 available six days.

02:47:29.840 Allen was absent on November 1st, 1966.

02:47:33.160 Remember, guys, Sherry Joe Bates died on or about October 30th, 1966.

02:47:39.380 Initially, Allen attributed the absence to school business.

02:47:42.580 He was later charged with a sick day.

02:47:44.280 Did Allen stay an extra day or two in Riverside gathering secondhand information to use in the anonymous confessions?

02:47:49.080 Or did Allen actually kill Bates, missing work on November 1st because of facial wounds inflicted by his victim?

02:47:54.500 Keep in mind, guys, that we know, right, from the evidence that Sherry Joe Bates fought off her attacker very hard.

02:48:04.000 Okay. 0.99

02:48:04.400 She scratched the fuck out of him. 0.99

02:48:05.880 She had skin particles in her fingernails and she had hair in her hands. 1.00

02:48:10.700 I think they found four hair follicles, to be exact, in her left hand when they found her body.

02:48:16.500 So she fought like hell.

02:48:19.080 So modern FBI profiles on serial killers usually say that during periods of activity, the killer will behave erratically, exhibit moodiness, drink or smoke more than usual, and miss work.

02:48:28.460 During the execution of a 1991 search warrant, VPD seized a royal typewriter with elite type from the home of Allen.

02:48:35.100 So there's another clue right there.

02:48:36.280 So they found a similar typewriter that was used to type up the confession that you guys saw with the Sherry Bates one that I read earlier that had all the details of using a short knife, choking her, etc.

02:48:48.980 In late April 1967, three anonymous letters referring to Bates were mailed.

02:48:54.360 In 1970, the Sherwood Morrill, head of the question document section of California's Criminal Identification and Investigation Bureau, right?

02:49:01.360 Sherwood Morrill, like I said before, he was the handwriting guy, determined them to be the work of the Zodiac.

02:49:06.920 Each contained double the necessary postage, a Zodiac trademark.

02:49:10.340 Two of the three letters were signed with an unusual symbol.

02:49:12.860 Some believe the symbol resembles a sloppy Z.

02:49:15.300 Others say it looks like 32.

02:49:18.120 At the time, Bates was killed, Allen was 32 years old, and his permanent residence was 32 Fresno Street in Vallejo, California.

02:49:24.860 In 1970, Zodiac would create a cipher that contained 32 symbols.

02:49:29.980 Another connection right there.

02:49:31.920 And also, 32 Fresno Street, guys, was on his driver's license, as you guys saw in the movie.

02:49:37.340 At the approximate time the three letters were mailed, a desk was discovered on the RCC campus

02:49:41.740 that had a morbid poem scratched into the surface, possibly referring to the Bates murder.

02:49:46.160 That's the one that I showed you guys before as well, right?

02:49:49.080 This is it right here, that poem, okay?

02:49:55.100 The poem was signed RH.

02:49:57.400 The president of RCC at the time, Bates, was murdered.

02:50:00.640 It was RH Bradshaw, a detail a stranger to the area probably wouldn't have known.

02:50:06.180 Ah, okay.

02:50:07.760 Okay, so I was wrong about the Rick thing.

02:50:09.400 My bad, guys.

02:50:09.900 It was RH Bradshaw, okay?

02:50:14.320 Which I thought that was kind of weird, too.

02:50:17.320 Interestingly, after establishing the moniker Zodiac, the only reference Zodiac ever made to the Bates murder

02:50:22.520 came in a letter to the Los Angeles Times postmarked March 13, 1971.

02:50:26.720 RCC, where Bates was a student, was found on March 13, 1916.

02:50:34.140 Was found on March...

02:50:34.940 Okay, timing his letters to be postmarked on a significant date was a Zodiac specialty in the Times reference to Bates in another example of this.

02:50:41.900 Ah, okay.

02:50:42.360 So the school she was, she went to was founded on March 13, 1916, but he sent a postmark on March 13, 1971.

02:50:49.860 Uh, so that's a Zodiac thing.

02:50:55.280 The Bates murder was initially merely local news, not likely to have gotten much exposure outside of the Riverside area.

02:51:01.120 If Zodiac didn't actually kill Bates, which is a strong possibility, he at least had enough knowledge of the crime to produce the anonymous confessions.

02:51:08.180 And that's true, he did have quite a bit of information.

02:51:11.660 A strong case can be made that Zodiac had ties to the Riverside area.

02:51:14.580 Allen certainly did.

02:51:16.200 To date, even though it was an, uh, an item, it was looking for, uh, it was looking in 1991 search.

02:51:22.820 BPD had not, has not attempted matching Allen's typewriter to that of the anonymous confessions.

02:51:27.380 Ah, okay.

02:51:28.040 Zodiac name slash cross circle symbol, ciphers, et cetera.

02:51:33.340 According to his brother, Ron Allen was given a Zodiac watch as a Christmas gift from their mother in 1967.

02:51:39.000 Allen's estimation of when he received the watch was July or August, 1969.

02:51:44.220 The logo for the Zodiac watch is a cross circle symbol, the same as eventually used by the Zodiac killer.

02:51:52.640 According to police statements within days of receiving the watch, Allen is alleged to have made these claims, says friend.

02:51:58.040 Don Shaney.

02:51:59.880 Allen used the premise of writing a novel to communicate this fantasy.

02:52:04.060 Shaney estimates the conversation took place on January 1st, 1969.

02:52:09.340 And you, as you guys know, he killed the, the couple, this couple right here, allegedly.

02:52:14.900 On December 20th, 1968.

02:52:17.920 Okay.

02:52:19.660 And then the Zodiac moniker came soon after.

02:52:24.020 So he admitted this to a friend other than the premise it was going to be.

02:52:28.720 And I say this air quotes, a novel.

02:52:32.760 All right. 0.99

02:52:34.120 He goes, he would like to kill couples at random. 0.98

02:52:37.320 He would taunt the police with letters detailing his crimes. 0.65

02:52:39.840 He would sign the letters with cross circle symbol from his watch.

02:52:43.220 He will call himself Zodiac.

02:52:45.240 He wore makeup to change his appearance. 0.64

02:52:47.240 He would attach a flashlight to the barrel of his gun in order to shoot at night.

02:52:51.100 He would fool women into stopping their cars in rural areas by claiming they had problems with their tires.

02:52:56.080 They'd loosen their lugs, their lug nights, and eventually take them captive.

02:53:00.800 And he actually did this to another woman, which I will show you guys a movie clip of this.

02:53:05.540 Actually, you know what?

02:53:05.980 Yeah, I'll show you that clip after because I don't want to get you guys too disconjointed here.

02:53:12.480 Don eventually took this information to the police.

02:53:14.880 And in 1972, the San Francisco Police Department was able to secure a search warrant against Alan as a Zodiac killer.

02:53:19.840 Unfortunately, SFPD elected to search a trailer that Alan frequented in nearby Santa Rosa instead of searching his home at 32 Fresno Street and Vallejo.

02:53:29.060 Nothing incriminating was found. 1.00

02:53:31.020 Stupid. 1.00

02:53:31.760 That was an L. 0.99

02:53:33.360 And as you guys know from the movie, he emptied out that trailer right prior after he got interviewed by the police on August 4th, 1972, I think.

02:53:45.880 Because they got the search one, I think, in September.

02:53:48.180 I think he got – let me – you know what?

02:53:49.880 The movie details it.

02:53:52.140 Let me go back here.

02:53:53.700 This is when they interview him.

02:53:56.300 Right here.

02:54:06.640 Okay, works at Union Oil and Penel.

02:54:09.740 So they go to interview him.

02:54:11.440 All right, they're talking with the chief.

02:54:11.980 Make sure you call him Mullinax.

02:54:13.160 It is his backyard.

02:54:14.460 All right, because that worked so well for us in Riverside.

02:54:16.740 Cooperation, that's us at all costs.

02:54:22.120 All right, they're going to put the date here.

02:54:23.800 One day later, Rodeo, California, August 4th, 1971.

02:54:26.780 So they ended up getting the search warrant, guys, in 1972.

02:54:32.160 Damn near a year later.

02:54:34.060 Okay? 0.97

02:54:35.320 Speaking of which, let's go 32 Fresno Street.

02:54:37.160 This is 32 Fresno Street right here, my friends.

02:54:51.220 This is where your boy, Arthur Lee Allen, used to live.

02:54:58.460 So this is where they should have done the search warrant.

02:55:01.000 I think this is 32 right here.

02:55:04.900 What's this one?

02:55:05.540 Okay.

02:55:07.160 This is 30.

02:55:07.860 Let me see here.

02:55:09.280 Let's have the number.

02:55:10.560 No, this is 26.

02:55:12.440 So if this one is 26.

02:55:14.900 Well, hold on.

02:55:15.480 This one might be.

02:55:16.400 Because it looks like a two-family home.

02:55:21.960 Okay, this one is 30.

02:55:23.100 Yeah, 26, 30.

02:55:24.780 So, bam.

02:55:25.220 This one is 32 right here.

02:55:26.900 This one's got to be 32.

02:55:27.820 So, yeah, Google sometimes is inaccurate, guys.

02:55:32.640 But, yeah.

02:55:32.980 So this is where they should have done the search warrant, but they didn't.

02:55:35.240 They did a search warrant on his trailer instead, thinking that the evidence was going to be there, right?

02:55:39.440 Because it wasn't his official address.

02:55:41.020 According to a police statement in early 1968, a conversation with his friend, Phillip, Allen is alleged to have been fascinated with the concept of hunting people.

02:55:51.480 According to Allen, people would be more challenging to hunt than animals since they have intelligence.

02:55:56.200 On July 31, 1969, Zodiac mailed the cipher to the news media.

02:56:00.900 Within days, it was solved and stated that killing a man was more fun than killing wild game in the forest because man is the most dangerous animal of all to kill.

02:56:08.020 As you guys know, this was the cipher that was solved by the schoolteacher and his wife.

02:56:11.700 Okay?

02:56:12.160 We talked about that earlier.

02:56:13.560 Additionally, during a 1971 police interrogation, okay, which was done on August 4th, right here, as y'all know, okay?

02:56:19.960 Allen offered the fact that, as a youth, he had read a book that had made a lasting impression on him.

02:56:28.180 The book was called The Most Dangerous Game and was about hunting a man like an animal. 0.97

02:56:34.600 That's a lot of fucking similarities, huh? 0.91

02:56:37.460 Then, on June 15, 1958, Allen was arrested by VPD and charged with disturbing the peace the result of an altercation with an acquaintance, Ralph Spinelli. 0.85

02:56:46.680 The charges were dismissed on July 8, 1958.

02:56:48.860 Zodiac would later taunt San Francisco Chronicle columnist Marco Spinelli in a letter postmarked July 8, 1974.

02:56:56.980 According to statements of police by family and friends prior to the publication of the Zodiac codes, Allen had possession of codes featuring identical symbols.

02:57:06.680 Additionally, Allen was known to use the same unusual spelling and phrasing as Zodiac later used, such as spelling Mary Xmas instead of Mary Xmas,

02:57:15.460 and saying trigger mech instead of trigger mechanism, Allen would intentionally misspell words to be funny.

02:57:22.300 So, the big one, guys, is Christmas with the two S's, okay? 0.99

02:57:26.660 In a 1969 letter, Zodiac used the term bussy work, which is jargon used by elementary school teachers.

02:57:33.180 Busy work is a technique used to keep children busy and therefore happy by assigning them menial tasks. 0.95

02:57:37.960 As you guys know, right, we all went to elementary school and the teachers were like, yo, let's fucking do this crossword puzzle or some other bullshit, right?

02:57:45.260 Price's determination in March 1968, Allen had almost 10 years of experience as an elementary school teacher. 0.95

02:57:51.380 And as you guys remember, he made that threat about shooting kids as they came off of the bus.

02:57:57.080 Despite some regular ramifications on his life, Allen continued to wear his Zodiac watch until it was seized

02:58:02.000 during the execution of VPD's search warrant in 1991.

02:58:07.840 Lake Herman Road.

02:58:09.480 In March 1968, Allen was fired from his job as an elementary school teacher for molesting a student.

02:58:14.020 This was Allen's second career failure as in 1958.

02:58:16.780 He was less than honorably discharged from the Navy after two years of service.

02:58:21.260 Another connection.

02:58:22.640 And we know, he was wind walker boots and he wore a size 10.

02:58:26.140 With no source of income, Allen moved back home with his mother and father at 32 Fresno Street in Vallejo, California.

02:58:34.680 According to friends and family, Allen hated his mother and felt inferior to his father, Ethan.

02:58:39.040 Ethan was a very successful military man.

02:58:40.800 Certainly, being a child molester didn't help Arthur's status around the house.

02:58:44.260 Allen began gaining weight and drinking heavily.

02:58:47.060 They eventually taking a part-time job as a service station attendant.

02:58:49.620 By winter, Allen was in a downward spiral of depression and alcohol abuse, most probably amplified by his two major stressors, his birthday and Christmas.

02:58:58.560 Their apparently motiveless Lake Herman Road murders occurred on December 20th, 1968.

02:59:03.280 So he was in a downward spiral in his life and he ended up killing those two, right?

02:59:09.060 Or allegedly.

02:59:10.480 Between Allen's December 18th birthday and Christmas, December 25th.

02:59:14.740 So smack dab right in the middle of those two days, these two were killed, as you guys know.

02:59:20.980 David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen.

02:59:28.140 Profiles indicate serial killers are always active in areas they're familiar with.

02:59:31.140 Allen was living only about seven minutes from Lake Herman Road crime scene.

02:59:35.240 He had an explosive temper, was known to park and drink alcohol in rural settings such as Lake Herman Road,

02:59:39.580 and always carried weapons in his automobile.

02:59:41.420 In 1991, the search warrant executed by VPD revealed Allen owned the same type of ammunition used to kill the victims of the Zodiac's Lake Herman Road attack.

02:59:49.780 Okay?

02:59:50.220 And Lake Herman, as y'all know, were these unfortunate individuals.

02:59:55.720 Excuse me.

02:59:56.360 Sorry.

02:59:57.300 It was them.

02:59:58.240 It was David Faraday and Lou Jensen.

03:00:02.400 Right?

03:00:02.560 So they had the same kind of ammunition.

03:00:04.580 He had the same kind of ammunition in his house.

03:00:08.400 Blue Rock Spanx.

03:00:09.360 Okay?

03:00:09.800 So those were his connections to the Lake Herman Road killings in 1968.

03:00:13.240 Now we're going to get into Blue Rock Springs, which is these two.

03:00:16.800 Darlene Elizabeth and Mike Maju.

03:00:22.240 Remember, Mike Maju actually identified him as well.

03:00:26.040 Zodiac's Blue Rock Springs attack on July 4, 1969 was the second within seven months to occur on the eastern outskirts of Vallejo.

03:00:32.460 This time, Zodiac was only about four minutes from Allen's home.

03:00:34.960 Major holidays can bring out ugly behavior in people, and Allen was already dealing with unemployment and alcohol abuse.

03:00:42.280 The male victim, Mike Maju, survived the attack and gave police description of the Zodiac's car.

03:00:46.960 Brown in color, possibly a Corvair.

03:00:48.640 At the time, Allen had a friend, Phillip, who was trying to sell his brown Corvair. 1.00

03:00:54.660 Oh, shit. 0.94

03:00:57.160 According to a police statement, Phillip's Corvair was parked in front of a service station in Vallejo, where Allen had recently been employed, and the key was inside the office. 0.99

03:01:08.420 Phillip had occasionally allowed Allen to drive the Corvair.

03:01:10.720 The possibility exists that Allen either had a key to the car or to the service station where it was parked.

03:01:18.320 Additionally, there are potential connections between Blue Rock Springs victim, Darlene Farrin, and Allen.

03:01:23.800 In 1966 through 1967, Farrin worked as a waitress at the International House of Pancakes on Tennessee Street in Vallejo, less than one-tenth of a mile from Allen's home at 32 Fresno Street.

03:01:36.320 Let's see if we can go ahead.

03:01:37.440 Does it have the address at the International House of Pancakes on Tennessee Street in Vallejo?

03:01:43.460 You know what?

03:01:44.020 Let's go ahead and try to do directions here.

03:01:49.420 I'm going to go ahead and pull it up for y'all.

03:01:54.340 It's called the, I mean, let's see.

03:01:56.180 If it actually still exists, that's going to be shocking.

03:01:59.020 But let's try.

03:02:00.460 International.

03:02:06.180 Right.

03:02:07.440 House of Pancakes.

03:02:14.980 Tennessee Street.

03:02:19.720 I will be shocked that this thing still exists.

03:02:30.400 Okay.

03:02:30.940 It's an IHOP now.

03:02:31.760 All right.

03:02:35.020 So let's see if we can.

03:02:37.620 Let's enlarge this real fast.

03:02:42.360 And this is from 2017.

03:02:44.480 All right.

03:02:44.680 All right.

03:02:59.820 So let me.

03:03:01.740 Street View.

03:03:03.860 We don't need to do all that.

03:03:06.680 Okay.

03:03:07.140 Okay.

03:03:07.220 So I think 114 Plaza Drive.

03:03:17.920 All right.

03:03:18.460 So I copied that.

03:03:19.600 So let's go ahead and try to map this out, guys.

03:03:22.700 See how close it actually is.

03:03:29.260 Right.

03:03:31.240 Bam.

03:03:31.640 To 32.

03:03:35.860 Fresno Street.

03:03:39.180 Seven minutes.

03:03:40.540 Right.

03:03:41.180 Pretty damn accurate.

03:03:43.000 So he was very close.

03:03:44.420 Allen is alleged to have told Don Chaney that he was fond of a waitress from that restaurant.

03:03:52.580 Okay.

03:03:53.340 Also, according to a police report, an unidentified male named Lee was known to associate occasionally with Darlene.

03:03:59.700 Allen was known by his middle name, spelling it Lee.

03:04:02.300 Until Lee is identified, the possibility exists that victim Farron might have known Allen.

03:04:07.000 Finally, in 1971, Allen's father, Ethan, died.

03:04:10.520 The date was March 17th, Darlene's birthday.

03:04:13.020 It was yet another occasion when someone close to Allen died on a significant Zodiac date.

03:04:18.360 According to a police report, in mid-1992, surviving Blue Rock Springs victim, Maju, picked Allen out of a VPD police lineup saying,

03:04:25.780 That's him.

03:04:26.580 He's the man that shot me.

03:04:28.580 So that one right there is a big one.

03:04:30.180 And I showed you guys that movie clip when he identified him.

03:04:34.000 All right.

03:04:34.180 But sadly, Lee died, a.k.a. Allen, died shortly thereafter in 1992 of, I think, a heart attack.

03:04:42.520 All right.

03:04:42.860 Lake Berryessa.

03:04:43.840 Okay.

03:04:44.580 So as you guys know, Lake Berryessa was this one with Cecilia Shepard and Brian Calville, Calvin Hartnell.

03:04:52.680 All right.

03:04:54.000 So going back.

03:04:55.120 On September 27th, 1909, Zodiac used a foot-long knife with a sheath and rivets to attack a young couple of Lake Berryessa in Napa County, just north of Vallejo.

03:05:04.480 Allen, an outdoorsman, frequented recreational areas such as Berryessa, often trapping games, scuba diving, and camping.

03:05:10.120 And I was familiar with the Berryessa area and even told VPD's Sergeant Lynch in October 6th, 1969 interview.

03:05:16.240 And this was literally a week or so after, right, maybe a week and a half, that the day of the attack, he was going to go to Berryessa, but went up the coast.

03:05:27.140 Instead, Allen first used a mysterious couple from Treasure Island as an alibi, but could never produce their names or phone number.

03:05:34.360 Hmm. 0.99

03:05:35.060 Oh, shit. 1.00

03:05:35.760 Oh, shit. 1.00

03:05:36.320 On 1930s film, Charlie Chan at Treasure Island featured a villain named Dr. Zodiac, who wrote taunting letters about San Francisco crimes. 0.99

03:05:45.440 Later, Allen attempted to use a deceased elderly neighbor as an alibi claiming this neighbor, William White, had seen Allen the afternoon of the Berryessa attack and that the two had a conversation.

03:05:57.460 At this time, another William White, a ranger from Napa County, was all over the news as a spokesman on the Berryessa attack.

03:06:05.060 Neighbor White died within a couple of weeks of this alleged encounter.

03:06:08.440 His birthday was December 20th.

03:06:09.660 So, guys, so he was in Berryessa during the murder.

03:06:16.580 Then he says, oh, but I had an alibi of a couple, which they weren't able to confirm, right, used from the Treasure Island.

03:06:23.220 And then another person, William White, who died.

03:06:28.280 So the police weren't able to actually verify his alibi whatsoever.

03:06:32.820 So during a 1971 police interrogation, this one here, by the way, guys.

03:06:38.520 He says.

03:06:42.920 Allen admitted to having possession of bloody knives at the Berryessa attack, claiming he used the knives to kill a chicken.

03:06:51.540 Okay, sure.

03:06:53.220 Allen's physical appearance and voice were the same as Zodiac's, according to surviving Berryessa victim, Brian Hartnell.

03:07:00.820 Hartnell had been taken to see Allen at his place of employment by a DOJ representative in the mid-1970s. 0.99

03:07:10.200 Holy shit. 0.99

03:07:14.340 Okay. 0.98

03:07:15.280 And remember, guys, Brian Hartnell.

03:07:18.620 This guy right here, right?

03:07:21.400 Oh, excuse me.

03:07:22.040 My bad.

03:07:22.320 Brian Hartnell, this guy right here, survived the knife attack.

03:07:26.460 And he had a full conversation with the guy.

03:07:28.860 Remember, in the police report, we went over this, right?

03:07:33.460 That they had a full dialogue right here.

03:07:39.260 Cecilia, what do you want?

03:07:42.440 Brian, okay, do whatever you say, blah, blah, blah.

03:07:44.900 And here's the assailant.

03:07:46.400 Now, take it easy, blah, blah, blah.

03:07:47.620 So they had a full-on conversation.

03:07:49.340 So he will remember his voice.

03:07:50.560 He was trying to have, you know, small talk with the guy.

03:07:53.320 And keep in mind that he made references to Mexico.

03:07:56.920 All right?

03:07:57.380 And Annie, sharp as she is, remembered that this guy, Lee, would come to Darlene's house with gifts from where?

03:08:07.520 Tijuana.

03:08:08.700 All right?

03:08:08.920 So there's a lot of similarities here, guys.

03:08:12.340 So Hartnell says it's the same voice.

03:08:16.880 Zodiac left a size 10 and a half footprints at the crime scene.

03:08:23.400 According to a police report, Allen wore a size 10 and a half.

03:08:26.560 These are the footprints right here, guys, from those wing walker boots.

03:08:30.520 And we know that Allen served in the military.

03:08:33.860 In 1991, the search warrant executed by VPD revealed Allen owned a foot-long knife with sheath and rivets.

03:08:40.000 To date, even though it was an item it was looking for, VPD has not attempted matching Allen's knife to the wounds of the Berryessa victims.

03:08:49.040 Come on, man.

03:08:49.720 Bad police work.

03:08:52.080 Paul Stein.

03:08:53.480 When Zodiac hailed Paul Stein's cab in San Francisco on October 11, 1969, his original destination was Washington and Maple Street in Presidio Heights, an intersection featuring a school crosswalk.

03:09:06.160 Okay.

03:09:06.680 Washington and Maple Street in Presidio Heights.

03:09:08.180 I'm going to go ahead and type that in for y'all, too.

03:09:13.080 Let's go ahead.

03:09:16.800 Washington and Maple Street in Presidio Heights.

03:09:19.000 Washington and Maple.

03:09:23.320 Bam.

03:09:29.580 Oh, has that big crosswalk to this day.

03:09:31.860 Here it is.

03:09:38.480 Okay.

03:09:39.320 This is the intersection.

03:09:49.960 Featuring a school crosswalk.

03:09:51.460 Amazingly, the address of Stein was headed when he encountered Zodiac was 509th Avenue, the Allen Arms Apartments.

03:09:58.920 On October 13, two days after killing Stein, Zodiac mailed a letter threatening schoolchildren.

03:10:04.000 Exactly one week earlier, Allen had been interviewed by VPD's Lynch at the elementary school where Allen worked as a janitor.

03:10:09.540 If Lynch had asked to see Allen's driver's license, he might have noticed that the issue date was October 13, was October 13.

03:10:19.360 Hmm.

03:10:24.920 Strange.

03:10:25.480 Okay.

03:10:28.880 According to a police report in 1991, Allen's old nemesis, Ralph Spinelli, came forward to VPD claiming that just prior to the Stein murder, Allen had admitted he was Zodiac and would prove it by going to San Francisco and killing a cabbie.

03:10:42.360 After killing Stein, Zodiac took his wallet, car keys, and a portion of his shirt.

03:10:47.940 In no other attack did Zodiac take items from his victims.

03:10:50.780 It is a matter of fact that Zodiac did indeed prove he was Stein's killer, and he did so by including scraps of Stein's bloody shirt and his subsequent taunting letters to the news media.

03:10:59.780 One such letter was postmarked November 9, 1969 and contained a bomb diagram.

03:11:04.600 Ingredients for the bomb included ammonium nitrate, fertilizer, and gravel.

03:11:07.920 Zodiac claimed in the letter that the bomb was being stored in his basement and that his killing tools were acquired through mail-order outfits.

03:11:16.800 In 1991, the search warrant executed by VPD revealed Allen had, in his basement, handwritten diagrams for bombs comprised of ammonium nitrate, fertilizer, and gravel.

03:11:27.440 Holy!

03:11:29.540 Also found were mail-order catalogs for bombs, guns, and booby traps.

03:11:34.880 Ha ha ha!

03:11:35.900 Allen and Stein had much in common.

03:11:39.880 Both were students.

03:11:41.260 Both had the middle name Lee, spelled Lee by Allen, and both were born on December 18th.

03:11:46.300 Perhaps December 18th was the most significant Zodiac date of them all, because that was Lee's birthday.

03:11:51.980 Arthur Lee-Allen timeline.

03:11:53.620 Okay, now we're going to get into the timeline.

03:11:54.940 So, as you guys can see, look at all the similarities and all the different crime scenes between Paul Stein, the Lake Berryessa stabbings, the Blue Rock shootings, and the Lake Herman Road shootings in the 60s.

03:12:08.800 Wild!

03:12:09.860 What's your thoughts so far, Annie?

03:12:11.960 Um, I feel like everything leads to him, but I just, I don't understand, like, in the movie, um, they, like, disregarded him because, um, the handwriting was, like, off.

03:12:26.040 The handwriting, and I think the DNA didn't match.

03:12:28.760 Uh.

03:12:29.100 For the envelope.

03:12:30.100 Yeah, but don't you think, like, other people could have gotten their hands on the envelope?

03:12:33.780 Exactly.

03:12:34.420 They could have, or they could have licked the envelope. 0.88

03:12:36.020 You could have had some, like, girl lick it for him or something, or a dog. 1.00

03:12:38.420 I've heard of criminals having dogs lick the envelopes for them.

03:12:41.280 Yeah.

03:12:41.780 Um, to not, granted, in the, in the 60s, DNA wasn't a thing.

03:12:45.620 Right.

03:12:46.100 But, who knows?

03:12:46.800 I mean, if he's that smart, you know, putting all these things together, I mean, I couldn't put it past him to, you know, also take that step as well.

03:12:53.920 Yeah.

03:12:55.060 Um.

03:12:55.340 Yeah, I feel like everything, like, it has to be him.

03:12:58.480 Yeah, there's too many similarities, right?

03:12:59.680 Yeah.

03:13:00.020 Yeah, this is a staggering amount of coincidences.

03:13:02.960 Uh, let's go.

03:13:03.880 So, okay, so we're able to, you know, they were able to, and shout out to Tom Voight, by the way.

03:13:08.420 For, I'm going to give him a shout out.

03:13:11.520 This is his website, man.

03:13:12.580 He did a fantastic job of linking a bunch of this stuff, summarizing stuff for y'all.

03:13:17.140 A big part of us being able to give you guys this awesome-ass Zodiac breakdown is because of his hard work and putting everything together,

03:13:22.520 and me kind of putting it in a fashion for you guys where it's a little bit easier to digest.

03:13:27.100 Because I ain't got a lot of y'all.

03:13:29.040 There is a Zodiac Black Hall that you can easily get into, and timestamps are definitely going to be on this podcast because we have a lot that we went through.

03:13:35.440 All right, so Allen and Stein had much, okay, so now we're going to go into the timeline based on official police reports, social security records, employment applications, motor vehicle records, and testimony from friends and law enforcement officials.

03:13:48.920 Most information about this suspect found elsewhere is grossly inaccurate.

03:13:51.580 So, Arthur Lee Allen was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, December 18, 1933.

03:13:58.000 Allen was reared in Vallejo, California, and was graduated from Vallejo High in 1950.

03:14:01.820 It is suspected that the Zodiac had very close ties to Vallejo, most likely as a resident.

03:14:06.540 Obviously, a lot of the murders happened in and around that area, right?

03:14:08.780 In 1948 to 1957, Allen attended Vallejo College, majoring in liberal arts.

03:14:13.140 He received an Associates of Arts degree in 1957.

03:14:16.080 1951 to 1952, Allen worked as a lifeguard at The Plunge in Vallejo.

03:14:20.100 In 1953, Allen worked as a sailmaker at Mare Island Naval Shipyard in Vallejo, California.

03:14:24.600 1954 through 1960, Allen attended Cal Poly State College in San Luis Obispo, California, majoring in elementary education.

03:14:33.740 He received his bachelor's degree in 1960.

03:14:36.540 1957, Allen enlisted in the U.S. Navy.

03:14:39.940 Zodiac was thought to have an affiliation with the military, most likely the Navy, because of the wing-walker boots we spoke about before.

03:14:45.820 June 15, 1958, Allen was arrested by Vallejo Police Department for disturbing the peace as a result of an altercation with acquaintance Ralph Spinelli.

03:14:54.280 The charges were dismissed on July 8, 1958.

03:14:56.580 Zodiac demonstrated animosity towards the police.

03:14:58.360 It could have stemmed from the perceived mistreatment.

03:15:01.400 December 1958, Allen was discharged from the Navy.

03:15:05.020 So, he got kicked out.

03:15:06.060 1958, 1962, Allen attempted to gain his teaching credential.

03:15:09.440 It was hired by Santa Rosa Elementary in Addis Cadro, California.

03:15:13.840 1961 to 1962, Allen worked two summers as a psychiatric technician at Addis Cadero State Hospital in Addis Cadero, California.

03:15:23.240 62 to 63, Allen taught at Travis Elementary, Travis Air Force Base, California.

03:15:30.020 He was eventually fired for having a loaded weapon in his car on school grounds.

03:15:34.140 64 through 65, Allen was incapacitated with a severely lacerated leg, allegedly the result of a motorcycle accident.

03:15:40.620 66 through 68, Allen taught at Valley Springs Elementary in Valley Springs, California.

03:15:46.080 His teaching career ended when he was fired for molesting a student. 1.00

03:15:49.320 Stupid. 1.00

03:15:50.380 Allen's mother, Bernice, gave him a Zodiac watch as a gift. 1.00

03:15:53.080 And this is December of 1968.

03:15:54.660 According to Allen's brother, Ron, the watch was received in December 1967.

03:15:59.220 So, he got it in 68.

03:16:05.140 The first murder occurred in December of 1968.

03:16:07.940 But, according to Allen's brother, Ron, the watch was received in December of 1967, so a year prior.

03:16:12.980 But either way, it was in December.

03:16:14.400 January 1969, Allen allegedly confided in Don Cheney that he intended to kill couples at random, threaten school children in taunting letters to the police and call himself the Zodiac.

03:16:25.640 Okay?

03:16:25.880 So, that was at the beginning of the year, right?

03:16:30.720 After, again, these murders of these two in 68, December of 1968.

03:16:37.560 April 4, 1969.

03:16:40.840 Living back at home with his parents, Allen was terminated from his part-time job at a gas station in Vallejo, where he had worked for approximately six months.

03:16:47.600 In August 1971, Allen was described by his former employer as being undependable with a drinking problem.

03:16:52.640 In addition, Allen was said to be too interested in small girls.

03:16:55.700 Oh, man.

03:16:56.140 That's an L for him right there.

03:16:57.300 July 1969, shortly after the murder of Darlene Ferrin, a relative of the victim informed investigators that Darlene had a relationship with some sort of man named Lee.

03:17:08.460 And we know that Lee lived the minutes from her restaurant, and he took a fancy to a waitress at said restaurant.

03:17:15.940 During the 1969-70s school year, Allen was employed part-time as a janitor at Elmer Cave Elementary School in Vallejo.

03:17:22.540 During Allen's stint at Cave, Zodiac wrote letters threatening school children.

03:17:26.260 October 6, 1969.

03:17:28.500 Allen was questioned by Detective John Lynch of VPD regarding the murder of Cecilia Shepard at Lake Berryessa.

03:17:32.720 It is unknown who turned Allen in as a suspect or why.

03:17:36.060 Allen later admitted that when asked by Lynch where he was on September 27, 1969, Allen said,

03:17:40.540 I was going to go to Lake Berryessa, but I ended up the coast instead.

03:17:44.360 Hmm, interesting.

03:17:45.860 On October 10, 1969, Allen supposedly told Ralph Spinelli he would be going to San Francisco to kill a cabbie.

03:17:52.060 Okay?

03:17:52.340 The day before, Zodiac would later taunt San Francisco Chronicle columnist Marco Spinelli in a later postmarked July 8, 1974.

03:18:02.440 1970-1974, Allen attended Sonoma State College, majoring in biological science with a minor in chemistry.

03:18:09.280 He completed all academic requirements in 1974, but did not receive his Bachelor's of Science degree until after 1981.

03:18:14.720 During Allen's stint at Sonoma State, the Zodiac murders apparently ceased.

03:18:17.480 However, the Sonoma co-ed killings began, according to a retired special agent, Jim Silver of the California Department of Justice.

03:18:24.380 If you map where the co-eds were last seen and where they were later found dead, Allen's trailer would be directly in the center.

03:18:32.500 Eventually, many other murders were suspected of being the work of the Zodiac.

03:18:36.320 One investigator theorized that Zodiac was choosing crime scenes to form a giant Z.

03:18:39.940 Of course, this is a theory.

03:18:42.660 March 17, 1971.

03:18:44.240 Allen's father, Ethan, died at age 67.

03:18:45.920 Ethan was the retired, highly decorated naval commander.

03:18:48.420 Ethan Allen died on what had been Darlene Ferentz's 24th birthday.

03:18:53.500 When Allen became a suspect, this was looked at with suspicion.

03:18:57.820 On summer 1971, Allen was employed as a junior chemist at an oil refinery in Pineville, California.

03:19:03.440 July 15, 1971, the Manhattan Beach, California Police Department was contacted by Allen's former friend, to whom Allen allegedly made the incriminating statements in January 1968, which we talked about before.

03:19:14.420 A report was prepared by MBPD Inspector Dave Tosche, San Francisco Police Department.

03:19:22.700 Okay.

03:19:24.540 And that was Inspector Tosche, as you guys know, is the main SFPD guy.

03:19:27.880 July 27, 1971, SFPD Inspectors Dave Tosche and Bill Armstrong, along with Special Agent Mel Nikolai from California, traveled to Vallejo to meet with Sergeant Jack Mullinex, a VPD regarding Allen.

03:19:40.660 It was decided that more background information on Allen will be obtained before the contact would be made with him.

03:19:46.280 Mullinex immediately began investigating Allen.

03:19:48.700 August 4, 1971, the famous interview.

03:19:51.440 Mullinex, Tosche, and Armstrong interviewed Allen in his place of employment in Penhall, California.

03:19:54.940 The last authenticated Zodiac letter had been mailed in March 1971, just a few months earlier.

03:20:01.480 However, after Allen's interview by police, it would be two and a half years before Zodiac would write again.

03:20:07.120 That's a clue as well.

03:20:08.940 Maybe he got spooked by the police.

03:20:12.560 September 14, 1972.

03:20:14.580 And let me see if I can pull up that letter for you guys real quick.

03:20:18.380 Actually, can you do me a favor?

03:20:19.320 Can you type in March 1971 Zodiac letter?

03:20:28.700 And then we'll share it on screen for them, just to give them a refresher.

03:20:31.360 September 14, 1972, SFPD obtained a search warrant against Allen and made him submit handwriting samples.

03:20:36.040 Detectives found several bizarre items during the search, but nothing that would incriminate Allen in Zodiac crimes.

03:20:40.280 September 27, 1974, Allen was arrested by the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department on a charge of child molesting.

03:20:45.740 Zodiac had written several times in 1974, breaking a two and a half year silence.

03:20:50.300 However, no authorized Zodiac letter was ever received again after Allen's arrest.

03:20:53.980 That's another clue.

03:20:55.380 March 14, 1975.

03:20:56.540 After pleading guilty, Allen began serving his sentence in the Addis Cadro Califf State Hospital. 0.88

03:21:02.860 Obviously mentally sick.

03:21:03.880 August 31, 1977. 0.91

03:21:05.540 Allen completed his sentence.

03:21:07.300 It was released from Addis Cadro.

03:21:08.480 Also, January 3, 1978, Allen was hired as a fleet mechanic by Benica Import Auto Service in Benica, or Benicia, California.

03:21:17.620 This deployment ended on March 3, 1978, apparently due to slowdown.

03:21:21.680 June 25, 1978.

03:21:23.200 We're almost done here, guys.

03:21:24.160 Through 1987, Allen found sporadic employment in Vallejo, including ascent as an aide to senior citizen.

03:21:31.480 Allen also worked at Ace Hardware on Tennessee Street for several years as a buyer for the tool and garden departments.

03:21:36.660 January 10, 1998, Bernice Allen died at age 83.

03:21:41.580 I think that was his wife.

03:21:44.680 Or was that his mom?

03:21:46.900 Either way.

03:21:47.480 Okay.

03:21:47.880 February 14, 1991.

03:21:49.020 VPD executed a search warrant against Allen and found a huge catch of weapons.

03:21:53.180 Allen's probation terms didn't disallow owning weapons.

03:21:55.800 Enraged at the search, Allen began granting interviews with the news media to proclaim his innocence and blast the police.

03:22:01.060 There was a huge amount of circumstantial evidence against Allen, including Ralph Spinelli coming forward with Allen's incriminating statements on October 10, 1969.

03:22:08.460 Saying, you know, as you guys know, saying he was going to kill a cabbie.

03:22:11.500 August 1, 1991, Allen gave an interview to the Fairfield, California, Daily Republic, in which he claimed to have consulted with attorney Melvin Belli.

03:22:18.400 Zodiac had written a letter to Belli in December 1969.

03:22:23.940 Remember, guys, this is what the author, Graysmith, had referred to the letter and his birthday, December 18th.

03:22:32.740 The letter can be found on the Zodiac letters page.

03:22:35.780 And we already went through that letter.

03:22:37.560 And then July 1992, definite Zodiac victim Mike Maju picked Allen out of a police photo lineup saying,

03:22:43.180 That's him.

03:22:43.560 He's the man who shot me.

03:22:44.340 And then August 26, 1992, Arthur Lee Allen died of natural cause at 58.

03:22:48.540 He had been suffering from diabetes and heart problems.

03:22:50.600 And then August 28, 1992, VPD obtained a search warrant against Allen and found many interesting items.

03:22:58.800 VPD has been extremely secretive about the results of this search.

03:23:01.740 The objective was to seize a videotape Allen had his possession that was labeled with a Z.

03:23:06.680 The exact contents of the video have never been revealed, although VPD has said there was no confession.

03:23:12.320 Oh, man.

03:23:14.760 And right there is where the conspiracy theories can be.

03:23:23.820 All right.

03:23:24.520 Did you find that letter?

03:23:25.740 Yeah.

03:23:26.100 Is that this one?

03:23:29.300 This is the Zodiac speaking.

03:23:31.260 Like I've always said, I'm crack proof.

03:23:34.060 Oh, okay.

03:23:34.540 That's the one we read earlier.

03:23:35.460 That's the one.

03:23:35.880 I'm bulletproof, right?

03:23:36.860 Yeah.

03:23:37.200 Okay.

03:23:37.440 We read that one earlier.

03:23:38.280 Okay.

03:23:38.600 Um, just to remember, to remind you guys, we read that one earlier.

03:23:42.620 Um, cool.

03:23:44.300 Are you going to show, um, the interview?

03:23:47.420 Like.

03:23:48.060 From the, uh, from the thing?

03:23:49.320 Yeah.

03:23:49.600 From the movie?

03:23:50.200 Yeah.

03:23:51.960 What do you think?

03:23:52.560 You think the people want to see it?

03:23:53.600 Yeah.

03:23:54.180 I think it's crucial.

03:23:55.620 What do you think?

03:23:56.600 Okay.

03:23:57.120 We'll play it.

03:23:58.160 I think, yeah.

03:23:58.960 Cause I, I've noticed people get, it's, it's, it helps more when they actually see it.

03:24:02.220 All right.

03:24:03.300 So here they walk in.

03:24:04.220 Here's the actual interview guys.

03:24:07.520 Talk to him in here.

03:24:09.400 Coke machine's busted, by the way.

03:24:11.200 Tosche, his partner, Wollinex.

03:24:14.860 I'll go get him for you.

03:24:16.840 Too morbid.

03:24:18.300 So here he comes in.

03:24:23.180 It's about to be a four hour podcast.

03:24:25.640 Mr. Allen.

03:24:27.100 I'm Inspector Bill Armstrong.

03:24:28.780 This is Inspector Dave Tosky and Sergeant Jack Wollinex.

03:24:31.400 We're investigating the Zodiac murders in San Francisco and Vallejo.

03:24:36.020 Please sit down.

03:24:46.280 The informant notified us that you made certain statements 11 months prior to the first Zodiac murder.

03:24:51.880 If they're true, they're quite criminating.

03:24:54.740 Do you recall having any such conversation?

03:24:57.400 No.

03:24:57.940 Have you ever read or heard anything about the Zodiac?

03:24:59.940 When it was first in the paper, but I didn't follow it after those first reports.

03:25:04.280 Why not?

03:25:05.500 Too morbid.

03:25:07.460 I told all this to the other officer.

03:25:10.500 Which other officer?

03:25:11.980 From Vallejo.

03:25:12.660 Do you remember his name?

03:25:15.940 No.

03:25:16.220 But it was right.

03:25:17.500 Now, I want to make a quick note here, guys, just so you know.

03:25:21.340 When police come in and interview you, all right, and they ask you questions, and it's like a free interview, and you're free to go, and they're not necessarily, you're not under arrest, or you're not being, you know, you're not detained.

03:25:33.340 They don't have to necessarily read your Miranda rights.

03:25:35.620 Now, what are the Miranda rights?

03:25:36.980 You have the rights to remain silent.

03:25:37.980 Anything you say could be used against you in a court of law.

03:25:39.940 You know, if you're going to afford an attorney, it won't be appointed for you, blah, blah, blah, right?

03:25:42.620 Every agency has a different, you know, variation of the verbiage, but that's essentially what it is, right, in the United States.

03:25:49.940 But in this case, right, I don't know if they read him as Miranda rights when they actually went and did the official interview here in the movie.

03:25:56.280 Obviously, they didn't add that in there, but they didn't necessarily have to.

03:25:59.840 Now, when I was an agent, personally, I would read people their Miranda rights, right, just because, yo, listen, man, just so y'all know, this is just kind of what I have to get.

03:26:07.880 I would kind of like downplay it a bit, read them their rights, and then if they did say anything, I would be covered, right?

03:26:12.880 But can you get away with interviewing a suspect, asking them incriminating questions, right?

03:26:19.760 Without Miranda, yes, you can if they were free to leave, and they were under that impression that they were free to leave, right?

03:26:25.460 And if the detectives let them know, listen, man, you're free to leave, this is just a voluntary interview, we're just trying to gather some facts, blah, blah, blah.

03:26:31.480 There's different ways to finesse it, but me, personally, I always used to read them their rights, right, at least verbally, and then get into the questioning.

03:26:37.880 I would downplay it, of course, and then, you know, you would get into asking questions, but you can get away without it.

03:26:42.900 So this could be factually correct as far as the movie goes.

03:26:46.180 Right after the murder at the lake.

03:26:49.660 And what did you tell this officer?

03:26:53.640 I told him that I'd gone to Salt Point that weekend to skin.

03:26:57.300 Okay, look at those boots, guys.

03:27:00.040 Those look like wing walkers to me.

03:27:03.120 All right.

03:27:03.680 Now, as far as, was he wearing wing walkers when they did the interview?

03:27:07.620 We don't know.

03:27:08.080 That might have been for cinematic effect, but they're paying attention to that.

03:27:11.600 I was alone, but I met a couple there.

03:27:16.280 I have their names at home, if you want.

03:27:18.620 That would be great, Arthur.

03:27:20.420 Oh, so now he doesn't have the Treasure Island couple.

03:27:24.820 What?

03:27:26.620 Lee, nobody calls me Arthur.

03:27:29.120 Hmm.

03:27:29.640 Another clue right there.

03:27:30.500 Also, that day when I came home, my neighbor saw me.

03:27:34.360 It was around four.

03:27:35.840 But I forgot to tell the other officer that.

03:27:38.300 Neighbor's name?

03:27:39.260 Bill White.

03:27:41.920 He died a week or so afterwards.

03:27:43.860 Oh, yeah.

03:27:44.260 Of course he's dead.

03:27:46.000 Heart attack.

03:27:46.860 So I didn't think to call to follow up.

03:27:48.500 The knives I had in my car with the blood on them, that blood came from a chicken that I killed for dinner.

03:27:57.040 Wait, what?

03:27:57.880 What? 1.00

03:27:59.920 What the fuck? 1.00

03:28:01.140 I had knives in my car that weekend. 1.00

03:28:03.280 Maybe Bill saw them and called the other officer on me.

03:28:07.840 Well, we'll be checking in on that.

03:28:10.960 Let me ask you something else.

03:28:12.280 Were you ever in Southern California at any time in 1966?

03:28:17.660 Is this about the Riverside killing?

03:28:19.520 Yes.

03:28:20.280 Oh! 0.60

03:28:22.140 Well, I guess I was there around that time.

03:28:24.800 I used to go down there a lot.

03:28:26.700 I like the auto races.

03:28:32.240 Foreman says that you're ambidextrous.

03:28:34.780 No, that's untrue.

03:28:36.280 You can't write with both hands.

03:28:40.240 My teachers tried to make me when I was a kid, but I couldn't.

03:28:43.720 I'm left-handed.

03:28:45.520 He also said that you made statements about killing schoolchildren.

03:28:50.840 That is...

03:28:51.280 That is...

03:28:52.800 Remember, that was in the letters.

03:28:53.820 It's horrible.

03:28:54.320 That is...

03:28:55.140 That's a horrible thing to say.

03:28:56.820 So you aren't angry about being fired from Valley Springs for touching your students? 0.55

03:29:06.280 I'm not the Zodiac.

03:29:13.960 And if I was, I certainly wouldn't tell you.

03:29:19.700 That's a nice watch.

03:29:22.880 Thank you.

03:29:24.260 May I see it?

03:29:27.360 May I see it? 1.00

03:29:29.860 Let me see that, bitch. 1.00

03:29:36.280 Where'd you get it? 1.00

03:29:43.460 It's a Christmas gift from my mother two years ago.

03:29:46.000 That's very sweet.

03:29:47.340 Okay.

03:29:47.740 So he said two years ago.

03:29:48.840 They interviewed him.

03:29:49.820 This is 71, if I'm not mistaken, right?

03:29:53.380 So 1969.

03:29:56.240 It was a Christmas gift.

03:29:59.140 Hold on.

03:30:00.320 We're at 124.24.

03:30:01.360 24.

03:30:06.280 So tell me something, Arthur.

03:30:09.620 You don't remember anyone you might have had a conversation with regarding the Zodiac?

03:30:15.860 Maybe Ted Kidder or Phil Tucker at Vallejo Recreation.

03:30:22.400 But I couldn't be positive.

03:30:24.260 I used to work through one.

03:30:30.080 The most dangerous game.

03:30:33.860 What?

03:30:34.340 The most dangerous game.

03:30:36.600 That's why you're here, isn't it?

03:30:38.180 It was my favorite book in high school.

03:30:40.000 It's about this man who waits for people to get shipwrecked on this island.

03:30:43.480 Because he was tired of hunting animals, he hunted the people for the challenge. 0.99

03:30:46.840 And man is the most dangerous animal of all?

03:30:51.000 That's the whole point of the story.

03:30:54.220 Great book.

03:30:56.760 Or at least that's what I told Phil.

03:30:58.400 Thanks for your time.

03:31:16.740 I'm willing to help in any way possible. 0.78

03:31:19.960 I look forward to the day when police officers are no longer referred to as pigs.

03:31:26.800 Thanks. 0.84

03:31:27.360 All right.

03:31:30.480 We'll be in touch.

03:31:31.780 That fantastic saying right there.

03:31:35.340 So, yeah.

03:31:35.920 They did a pretty good job of summarizing that interview right there.

03:31:39.020 And let's see here.

03:31:41.300 So, yeah.

03:31:41.720 Arthur Lee Allen, guys.

03:31:43.040 Right.

03:31:43.300 And let me see here.

03:31:44.580 If I could get a good picture of him for y'all real fast.

03:31:52.760 This is him right here.

03:31:56.660 Arthur Lee Allen.

03:31:57.660 Okay.

03:31:59.180 Okay.

03:32:02.120 All right.

03:32:02.880 Now, we'll go into he was by far the number one suspect, right?

03:32:11.200 For to this day, even with the police departments.

03:32:14.200 The next one, and this is from the next one is this guy, Richard Gajkowski.

03:32:23.220 Okay.

03:32:23.620 And this is actually who Tom Voight thinks is probably the Zodiac killer.

03:32:29.560 All right.

03:32:30.480 And he updated this.

03:32:31.640 Unfortunately, for years, certain individuals spread information about Richard Gajkowski,

03:32:34.940 including false claim that Gajkowski was overseas for the Zodiac killer's first attack on December 20th, 1968.

03:32:42.140 And thus, couldn't be the Zodiac.

03:32:43.680 Thankfully, Gajkowski's passport information has finally been obtained and sadly puts the lie to rest once and for all. 0.98

03:32:50.540 Hot damn. 0.98

03:32:51.940 He out here getting the secrets. 0.99

03:32:55.940 All right.

03:32:56.280 Here's his passport information right here.

03:32:59.980 All right.

03:33:00.480 Richard Gajkowski.

03:33:01.460 This is where he lived.

03:33:02.180 He's from Albany, New York.

03:33:04.120 Okay.

03:33:04.520 You guys are going to see a very crazy coincidence with this guy.

03:33:07.440 Five foot 11.

03:33:08.860 Those are those glasses.

03:33:10.500 Okay.

03:33:10.800 The brown hair.

03:33:14.240 And this application was in Boston, Massachusetts, October 3rd, 1968.

03:33:21.620 Proposed length of stay one month.

03:33:23.560 Purpose of trip was business.

03:33:24.740 Where was he going?

03:33:28.940 323 Stanley Street, Albany, New York.

03:33:31.960 Countries to be visited the United Kingdom, France, and Spain.

03:33:36.280 So.

03:33:38.720 So they're saying that there was a myth that he was out of the United States in December 1968, including his having allegedly authored a newspaper article from Ireland.

03:33:47.780 So you might wonder how did Gajkowski's headed for Europe claim somehow become unequivocal proof?

03:33:51.700 It's simple.

03:33:53.360 See.

03:33:53.680 Also see the man behind the falsehoods.

03:33:55.740 What's this?

03:33:57.500 Mike Butterfield.

03:33:58.540 Mike Butterfield and Zodiac.

03:33:59.800 The rest.

03:34:01.840 What you don't know about Mike Butterfield.

03:34:07.160 All right.

03:34:07.920 See, this is what I'm talking about when I say that you. 0.99

03:34:10.620 This is where you can get into the freaking Zodiac black hole. 0.97

03:34:16.140 Okay, guys. 0.95

03:34:17.080 Now.

03:34:19.860 Take my word for it.

03:34:20.980 Pretty much.

03:34:21.480 They were able to prove that this guy was actually in the United States, guys.

03:34:24.960 When the first murder happened in December of 1968.

03:34:28.320 So we're going to skip over that because you can see there's beef between Zodiac investigators.

03:34:33.700 Right.

03:34:34.740 But besides all that.

03:34:36.280 Right.

03:34:36.460 He had to debunk the fact that he wasn't in, you know, the United States.

03:34:40.340 But let's go ahead and get into the facts.

03:34:42.000 All right.

03:34:42.500 We've established now that he was, in fact, in the United States on December 20th, 1968 for the first Zodiac murder, which was right here between David Arthur Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen.

03:34:55.420 All right.

03:34:57.320 Okay.

03:34:58.160 Unfortunately for you.

03:34:59.100 Sorry.

03:35:00.400 Gajkowski was born in Watertown, South Dakota on March 14th, 1936.

03:35:03.960 He attended a nearby Webster High School and then Northern State Teachers College in Aberdeen, South Dakota.

03:35:08.440 He died of cancer in San Francisco on April 30th, 2004.

03:35:12.920 Gajkowski served a stint in the Army during the 1950s.

03:35:15.400 It is known that Gajkowski was trained as a medic.

03:35:17.560 Medics were trained to tear the clothing of a bleeding victim to use as bandages.

03:35:20.540 If they did not have access to the proper equipment, undershirt first, then pants if necessary.

03:35:25.900 That is the order of cleanliness with the shirt tail being preferred if tucked in.

03:35:29.900 Zodiac tore off a portion of a victim's shirt tail.

03:35:33.100 Unfortunately, since 80% of such records were destroyed by fire in 1973, not much more of known about Gajkowski's military career.

03:35:39.920 In 1963, Gajkowski moved from South Dakota to San Francisco, California, living on Parnassus Avenue and working downtown at the Daily Commercial News, a financial newspaper.

03:35:49.160 By December 1964, Gajkowski was living and working in Martinez, California, about 45 minutes from San Francisco.

03:35:54.900 His home address was 1250 Escobar Street, which is located less than five miles directly south of the Zodiac's first eventual murders.

03:36:03.720 During that time, Gajkowski worked as managing editor for the local newspaper on Martinez, the News Gazette.

03:36:08.960 The News Gazette was owned by the same company that also owned the much larger Vallejo Times-Herald newspaper,

03:36:15.680 which was headquartered less than 10 miles from Martinez's weekly editorial meetings for both the Martinez and Vallejo newspapers were held in Vallejo at the Times-Herald building.

03:36:24.420 In October 1965, Gajkowski was intentionally arrested for refusing to sign a traffic citation following a routine stop in Contra Costa County, California.

03:36:32.900 As an investigative reporter for the local newspaper, Gajkowski's goal was to write an essay, or sorry, write a story about the conditions within the county jail from the perspective of an inmate.

03:36:42.740 Following his brief stay in jail, Gajkowski's mugshot was published along with his story.

03:36:46.520 However, by the time Gajkowski became a Zodiac suspect more than 20 years later, records of his fingerprints were long gone,

03:36:52.280 making a comparison to Zodiac's fingerprints impossible without either Gajkowski's consent or a court order.

03:36:57.900 There's no evidence either happened, okay, so here's his picture right here, right?

03:37:04.400 That was his picture from the article, and then here, what's this?

03:37:11.400 Okay, here's the Zodiac form.

03:37:13.040 This is what I'm talking about when I say that y'all can go ahead and this is where the Zodiac Black Hole can go.

03:37:21.200 Okay, eventual Zodiac victim Darlene Farrin of Vallejo, California got married on, okay, now this is where the connections start coming, okay, guys?

03:37:27.840 So start to pay attention here, all right?

03:37:30.940 Eventual Zodiac victim Darlene Farrin of Vallejo, California, this lady right here, okay, the woman that was married, 0.96

03:37:38.200 where we at here, okay, got married on January 1st, 1966, okay, and here's her affidavit of application for marriage to James D. Phillips

03:37:54.860 from Los Angeles, California, and then Darlene E. Sonnenen of Rosemake, California, and they got married on January 1st, 1966, and moved to Albany, New York, all right?

03:38:11.040 So she got married on January 1st and then moved to Albany, New York.

03:38:15.440 Gajkowski quickly followed, moving cross-country from Martinez, California, near Vallejo, by the way.

03:38:21.520 Farrin's husband worked at the Albany Times Union newspaper.

03:38:24.600 Gajkowski worked in the same building at the rival Albany Knickerbocker News.

03:38:29.180 In August 1973, four years after Farrin was killed by the Zodiac, the Times Union received a letter from someone claiming to be the Zodiac.

03:38:37.760 When solved, the cipher that was included with the letter made reference to the Albany Medical Center.

03:38:42.580 Here's a letter right here.

03:38:44.940 Ah, goddammit, where's the letter?

03:38:49.320 Here's the letter. 0.92

03:38:53.100 Okay.

03:38:56.100 In 1969, 1970, and 1971, Gajkowski was a member of an anti-police, pro-violence, counterculture newspaper, and commune in San Francisco called Good Times, which had a story, sorry, that had a history, right?

03:39:09.960 Yeah, dear editor, this is Zodiac speaking.

03:39:12.660 October 2nd, issue of the Good Times.

03:39:14.940 Interesting.

03:39:17.940 Okay.

03:39:18.500 Which had a history of radical ideology.

03:39:20.260 During his time, Gajkowski was known to smoke pot regularly and use heavier drugs such as speed and LSD.

03:39:26.000 All right, so let's see here.

03:39:28.200 Can I click this?

03:39:28.940 It brings it right back.

03:39:29.860 Okay, so it just shows you a picture.

03:39:31.120 It's like a hyperlink of a picture.

03:39:35.840 Okay, so here's the Zodiac letter from the FBI lab.

03:39:40.380 Oh, okay.

03:39:42.660 This is the Zodiac speaking, as you guys can see, right?

03:39:44.640 In answer to your asking for more details about the good times I have had in Vallejo, I shall be very happy to supply even more materials.

03:39:54.560 Okay, Good Times is the magazine.

03:39:56.580 Now I see where the connection is.

03:39:58.440 All right.

03:39:58.700 And he had a history of radical ideology.

03:40:02.080 All right.

03:40:02.240 As early as January 1969, the Good Times newspaper was running violent works of fiction that were nearly a blueprint, right, for Zodiac's future crimes.

03:40:10.820 On July 4th, 1969, a band of revolutionaries calling itself the Berkeley Revolutionary Committee for Business successfully engaged and humiliated the combined police force of the Bay Area.

03:40:20.060 138 police were killed in the 12-hour period.

03:40:22.160 Well, guys, there's a connection there because, as we know, on July 4th, 1969, what happened?

03:40:26.120 The murder of Darlene and the injuring of Vallejo, right?

03:40:32.200 The pigs, I'm sure, must be frantically searching their suburban communities for bombs we warned of for booby traps. 0.94

03:40:38.740 Well, we know that he also talked about this stuff in the letters. 0.61

03:40:41.360 On January 28th, 1969, the San Francisco Express, which became the Good Times shortly after, published a work of fiction called The Berkeley Gluns, written by Lenny Keller.

03:40:48.720 See below of excerpt.

03:40:50.140 All right.

03:40:50.360 Wednesday was production day for the weekly Good Times newspaper, which the staffers worked from early in the morning until very late at night to prepare the new issue.

03:41:00.000 Between the Zodiac's debut in July 1969 until the Good Times unfolded in 1973, the Zodiac mailed 15 letters.

03:41:07.100 Never did he mail a letter on a Wednesday, although he did on every other day of the week.

03:41:11.740 Okay, that's interesting.

03:41:12.560 At the time of his murder, the Good Times switchboard was located only yards from the residence of Zodiac victim Paul Stein on Fell Street in San Francisco.

03:41:25.740 The Geick short bits.

03:41:26.840 Conscious.

03:41:27.320 Okay, let's see here.

03:41:29.420 Conscious.

03:41:30.140 Consentious objectors who refuse alternate service are receiving longer prison sentences, according to the Fellowship of Reconciliation.

03:41:37.600 96 side, the average sentence given to CEOs was 21 months last year.

03:41:40.820 The average.

03:41:41.860 Okay.

03:41:43.000 Those who have books to contribute should leave them at 1830 fell switchboard.

03:41:51.240 Good Times.

03:41:52.060 August 7th.

03:41:52.840 August 7th, 1969.

03:41:54.000 So this was after the murders of Farron.

03:42:00.440 Interesting.

03:42:01.740 Okay.

03:42:03.100 So where are we at here?

03:42:05.520 No, 15 letters.

03:42:13.100 Okay.

03:42:13.700 So at the time of the murder, the switchboard was located only yards from the...

03:42:16.740 Okay.

03:42:18.060 Carol, Paul Stein's sister, recognized Gajkowski as having attended Paul's funeral.

03:42:22.620 Interesting.

03:42:24.100 So why would he go to his funeral?

03:42:25.560 Stein was killed on San Francisco's Washington Street.

03:42:27.560 Only one Gajkowski was listed in a city directory at that time.

03:42:30.940 Richard's cousin, and she lived on Washington Street.

03:42:33.860 Her birthday was October 11th, the very day Stein was murdered by the Zodiac.

03:42:37.780 Stein, a cab driver, was the one victim whom the Zodiac could choose when and where he would be killed.

03:42:43.440 Interesting.

03:42:43.920 On the very day Zodiac debuted by mailing three rush-to-editor letters to three separate newspapers in the San Francisco area with each letter containing one-third of a code,

03:42:55.140 the Good Times, edited by Gajkowski, just happened to run a cover that was split into thirds.

03:43:02.460 That's an interesting coincidence.

03:43:06.040 The bow of the image they damaged during the scanning process, resulting in a warping effect not on the original cover.

03:43:13.080 Interesting.

03:43:18.580 It was the only instance of Zodiac mailing a letter on a Thursday until after the Good Times folded in 1973.

03:43:24.540 Five months later, the Good Times published a three-part code of its own.

03:43:28.020 The Good Times also occasionally ran sensationalistic Zodiac killer headlines that were out of place.

03:43:33.180 Zodiac strikes again.

03:43:35.620 Zodiac message, three-part codes.

03:43:37.060 Interesting.

03:43:37.480 Okay.

03:43:37.660 In articles he published in 1969, Gajkowski had the habit of shortening his last name to four letters and used multiple spellings such as Geik or Geik.

03:43:46.400 Interestingly, Geik can clearly be seen in Zodiac's three-part cipher mailed on July 31st, 1969.

03:43:52.480 Right there.

03:43:54.140 What's more, how Zodiac chose to code the cipher phonetically gives you Gajkowski's full last name.

03:43:59.440 That's actually pretty clever.

03:44:06.120 Wow.

03:44:06.660 I'll leave that up on the screen for y'all for a little bit to look at.

03:44:09.700 Or you could pause it here at the YouTube video to see.

03:44:12.720 Very interesting.

03:44:13.360 At the very time the Zodiac wrote his only letter to the Vallejo Times-Herald, Gajkowski's best friend, Bob, worked at that very newspaper.

03:44:23.920 Even though Good Times was a counterculture hippie newspaper, once Gajkowski came aboard, it ran free ads for such unlikely events such as performances of the Mikito, a Zodiac favorite.

03:44:34.340 Zodiac sometimes quoted from the Mikito in his letters.

03:44:36.940 Okay.

03:44:38.360 Interesting.

03:44:40.740 The Mikito.

03:44:41.880 Okay.

03:44:42.980 So what was that, a rock band or something like that, I guess?

03:44:46.340 On March 13th, 1971, Zodiac Killer sent a letter to the Los Angeles Times coinciding closely with the mailing.

03:44:53.900 Gajkowski was involuntarily committed to the Napa State Hospital after going berserk.

03:44:59.080 He was then diagnosed with a mental illness and began treatment at Mount Zion Hospital in San Francisco.

03:45:03.380 The Zodiac did it right again for almost three years.

03:45:05.260 When Zodiac reemerged in 1974 with letters referring to recent movie releases, Gajkowski was operating a storefront theater in the Mission District of San Francisco, a film buff.

03:45:14.780 Gajkowski eventually became involved with the San Francisco's Roxy Theater.

03:45:18.420 Nancy Sover, the police dispatcher who spoke with the Zodiac in July 1969, had identified Gajkowski's voice as being the same as Zodiac's voice.

03:45:26.040 Remember, guys, he went ahead and called the police after he killed Farron.

03:45:35.300 Okay.

03:45:35.840 And he said, I want to report a murder.

03:45:39.240 So listen to Nancy Sover, identify Gajkowski as the voice of Zodiac.

03:45:44.460 Hi, everybody.

03:45:45.720 It's Nancy again.

03:45:47.000 I'm back.

03:45:47.680 I listened to the voice of Richard.

03:45:51.640 I felt shocked and deja vu.

03:45:56.560 In my opinion, he was the same person who I listened to in July of 1969 or twin.

03:46:07.620 All right.

03:46:10.600 Now, listen to Richard talking about Zodiac's codes.

03:46:13.020 The whole thing about a code, you've got to remember also, once a code, until a code is broken, you have never any way of knowing whether it's a real code or whether it's just a fake code.

03:46:26.060 So what's that mean?

03:46:26.860 Well, it just means that sometimes, you know, like the military and all of that, sometimes you would send garbled messages that meant absolutely nothing so that you get the enemy to spend all their time trying to break the code.

03:46:41.380 And that's his voice right there.

03:46:42.880 Very unique voice, right?

03:46:44.000 In 1996, the Napa County Sheriff's Department briefly investigated Gajkowski after urging from Goldcatcher and Pam Huckabee, sister of Darlene Farron.

03:46:53.100 Detective Ken Narlow did a background check on Gajkowski and put him under surveillance for a few nights.

03:46:57.060 More info.

03:46:57.920 Narlow found nothing to warrant further investigation and the matter was dropped.

03:47:01.540 Meanwhile, the California Department of Justice determined that Gajkowski's handwriting had consistencies with Zodiac's handwriting and more samples of Gajkowski's printing were requested.

03:47:09.380 Goldcatcher found printing that he could have belonged to Gajkowski, but those samples were determined not to be a match.

03:47:15.440 There was not enough probable cause for an arrest or search warrant and the investigation ended.

03:47:19.320 Okay.

03:47:20.500 And then this was a little documentary they did thinking that it was Gajkowski, mystery quest, San Francisco slaughter.

03:47:28.100 And this is from Tom Voight, right?

03:47:29.700 This is a little bit older.

03:47:31.060 Called Vallejo Police Department.

03:47:32.760 That's the woman that received the phone call after Farron was killed.

03:47:37.760 Okay.

03:47:38.200 Remember, guys, quick little reminder.

03:47:41.140 Darlene, Elizabeth Farron, right?

03:47:43.460 So, oh yeah, here.

03:47:46.320 So she hears Gajkowski's voice.

03:47:52.540 Don't worry, don't worry.

03:47:55.180 The last part of June happens for me.

03:48:01.020 So this was the 911 dispatcher.

03:48:03.500 When Nancy.

03:48:05.180 That's Tom Voight right there.

03:48:06.180 Was listening to Zodiac.

03:48:08.620 He not only was clear, but when she tried to ask him questions, he talked louder and talked over her.

03:48:13.180 Over the phone.

03:48:13.540 So she'd be the perfect candidate to hear?

03:48:14.860 She'd be the perfect, because this is actually over the phone and she heard it over the phone.

03:48:18.460 So it's the same environment in both cases.

03:48:20.040 Nancy Slover is one of the few people to have heard the Zodiac's voice.

03:48:33.020 I had discussed it with my neurologist about would it be possible for me to remember.

03:48:42.560 This is the call when he gives that chilling goodbye.

03:48:44.500 After all these years, that specific voice.

03:48:51.220 When anything traumatic or life-changing happens at any time in your life, your subconscious holds on to it.

03:49:12.560 And you never know what's going to trigger it.

03:49:15.900 Once the code is broken, you have never known, there's never any way of knowing whether it's a real code or whether it's just a fake code.

03:49:26.060 Don't worry, don't worry.

03:49:27.700 The last part of that was even more like what I heard in the first part.

03:49:46.320 Have you just played that last part for me again, Tom?

03:49:50.420 Don't worry, don't worry.

03:49:52.180 You're pretty good.

03:49:54.040 That's okay.

03:49:55.200 That's enough.

03:49:57.700 That came very close to his goodbye to me.

03:50:05.480 So the second half of that.

03:50:06.940 Remember guys, you gave that strange goodbye.

03:50:09.800 Is more like maybe there's more emotion in his voice.

03:50:13.140 It's the same guy, yeah.

03:50:15.180 You seem pretty certain.

03:50:20.660 I, well, I am.

03:50:23.880 Only.

03:50:24.140 Nobody that I have listened to before even came close to him.

03:50:36.340 In my opinion, that is a man that called Vallejo Police Department in the early morning hours of July 5th, 1969.

03:50:54.400 All right.

03:50:57.780 So she says that's him, right?

03:51:00.120 So we got another potential Zodiac suspect.

03:51:03.500 All right.

03:51:03.780 I don't know if I'm convinced.

03:51:05.060 Yeah, I think Arthur Lealem is a better potential, but there are some interesting similarities here.

03:51:14.220 And I mean, his ties with Darlene are pretty strong.

03:51:19.040 But yeah, I mean, I don't think that's him either.

03:51:21.260 And then the one that is the newest one, okay?

03:51:27.060 And as you guys can see, I'll give a quick little, here's a full suspect list, right?

03:51:31.020 Here's the other ones.

03:51:31.640 And you guys, if you want, you can, you know, feel free to go ahead and check out the other ones.

03:51:34.960 These guys are not as strong.

03:51:36.060 Rick Marshall, right?

03:51:37.920 I'll quickly skim through these guys just so you kind of get an idea, right?

03:51:41.480 This is another potential guy.

03:51:44.740 Okay.

03:51:45.200 Rick Marshall was a suspect, right? 1.00

03:51:47.240 He has the similar build, kind of a fat ass. 1.00

03:51:50.680 And then you got Lawrence Kane. 1.00

03:51:52.900 This guy was, or Larry Kane.

03:51:55.840 He was in the Navy, I think, before as well, right?

03:51:59.460 In 1969, during the peak of the Zodiac activity game, he was 45 years old.

03:52:02.680 He stood 5'9", and weighed approximately 160 pounds.

03:52:04.500 An astrological sign is a Taurus.

03:52:06.800 He had a lot of brain damage, so he couldn't really control himself.

03:52:13.120 Wait, what does his, like, sign have to do with anything?

03:52:16.440 I don't know.

03:52:17.520 Again, this is, like, these people going crazy trying to find someone.

03:52:21.160 Paul Huckabee's sister of Zodiac victim Darlene Farron claims Kane followed Darlene in the months before her murder.

03:52:26.060 Additionally, possible Zodiac victim Kathleen Johns identified Kane as her abductor.

03:52:29.920 So, that's really the big one.

03:52:32.600 The sister of Darlene Farron claims this guy followed her around for months before she was killed.

03:52:37.740 He has a lengthy criminal history as well.

03:52:41.300 Right?

03:52:41.900 So, these are some other guys.

03:52:43.020 And then, just out of, right, just for the purposes of being fully thorough with y'all, let's see here.

03:52:49.060 The other website here.

03:52:51.300 Okay.

03:52:51.600 Here are some of the other suspects.

03:52:54.980 Rick Marshall.

03:52:56.380 Right?

03:52:56.920 Theodore Kaczynski, which, as you guys know, I did a whole podcast on this guy alone.

03:53:01.300 This is the Unabomber.

03:53:02.520 Right?

03:53:02.780 And they suspected him because of the letters and also because of, you know, the high IQ and the bombs.

03:53:10.160 But it wasn't him.

03:53:10.840 He was ruled out.

03:53:11.460 So, it was Ted Bundy.

03:53:12.240 Ted Bundy was actually a suspect on this case as well.

03:53:14.200 And he was also ruled out.

03:53:15.440 We already went over Richard Gajkowski.

03:53:18.220 Jack Terrence.

03:53:19.580 This was a guy.

03:53:20.760 Basically, his son came forward and said that he thinks that this guy was the Zodiac.

03:53:27.500 Right?

03:53:27.940 That was in, like, 2006.

03:53:29.600 Then you got Gareth Penn.

03:53:33.140 He was born.

03:53:34.700 Okay.

03:53:35.040 I ain't gonna lie.

03:53:35.460 I don't know too much about this guy.

03:53:37.040 But he was another suspect.

03:53:38.900 All right.

03:53:40.760 And then we went over Rick Marshall.

03:53:45.560 Yeah, yeah.

03:53:46.160 Sorry.

03:53:46.420 My bad.

03:53:47.240 We already went over him.

03:53:48.400 He was actually referred to in the movie as well.

03:53:50.820 The Zodiac, which I talked to you guys about where Jake Gyllenhaal had mentioned his name in the prison.

03:53:56.420 Yeah.

03:53:56.780 Then, obviously, we know Arthur Lee Allen.

03:53:59.240 And, cool.

03:54:00.020 Yeah.

03:54:00.200 I think we went over all these guys.

03:54:01.540 Cool.

03:54:01.980 So, the real guy now, right, as of, I want to say, one year, okay, the person that everyone thinks is a Zodiac now is this guy right here.

03:54:13.340 Gary Post.

03:54:14.660 A lot of people think that this is him, and this broke from the cold case, right?

03:54:24.720 Gary Francis Post, the Air Force veteran turned house painter, who may or may not have been the notorious Zodiac killer, has been revealed as the ringleader of a group of men he trained as killing machines.

03:54:34.880 A team of 40 private investigators claimed last month that they had unmasked Post as a Zodiac killer who terrorized the Bay Area in the late 1960s with brutal murders accompanied by creepy riddles through photos and anagram code breaking.

03:54:48.100 Now, they tell the Post that after the murders, Post led a bizarre double life in a small Sierra Nevada town.

03:54:54.320 All right.

03:54:54.960 Here he is here.

03:54:55.580 Zodiac mysteriously dropped out of sight in 1974 after a final letter to the media.

03:55:01.080 The case is among the most famous unsolved murders in the U.S.

03:55:04.260 Post moved to Groveland, California in 1970, according to Thomas J. Colbert, who runs the casebreakers team, consisting of former cops, forensic analysts, academics, and retired military, and has been working the case for about 10 years.

03:55:15.700 He came to the High Sierra town after marrying a woman there who had a young child.

03:55:20.440 The ledge killer fronted as a mild-mannered house painter and was well-liked by the locals.

03:55:24.760 Colbert said, but he also began recruiting young men in their late teens and early 20s as his own personal criminal gang in the picturesque mountain town about 26 miles west of Yosemite.

03:55:38.360 Some 10 men were part of the locals called the Posse, and they stayed loyal to Post for decades until he died in 2018.

03:55:44.660 He would take them deep into the mountains where they learned to hike and kill, Colbert said.

03:55:48.500 He taught them how to turn a pipe bomb into a bomb that would blow up houses.

03:55:51.800 Colbert said if new cops moved into town, he would have the Posse throw rocks into their windows to get them to move out.

03:55:57.460 He was involved in lowering guns out to suicidal people in town.

03:56:00.320 According to Colbert, the men would go on hiking trips into the mountains to kill animals for fun.

03:56:05.420 One time, he had a kid climb out of a tree, branch, and hang caches of raw meat from it.

03:56:10.860 He said he also nailed salmon hooks below to catch bears trying to get to the meat.

03:56:15.240 One time, there were three bears bleeding to death from the tree trying to get the meat, and Gary just watched them laughing at them.

03:56:22.960 Interesting.

03:56:24.000 He described Post as type of a fagin, the child gang leader from the Oliver Twist who rounded up local wayward boys.

03:56:32.080 Colbert added that there was no indication that Post had a sexual interest or sexual relationships with the young men.

03:56:38.380 One Posse member, whom Colbert identified only as Will, fled Groveland in 2010 after seeing sketches of the Zodiac Killer confronting Post, he said.

03:56:49.560 Former Air Force captain Hans Smits met Will, whose real name is Chris Avery, when Avery went to the Santa Cruz TV station to report Post.

03:56:57.240 Smits was friends with the TV anchor Dale Julen at the station at the time.

03:57:01.160 Okay, let's see here.

03:57:02.760 And this is the guy, I think, that came forward, that he had been the member of the Post.

03:57:08.380 Let's see here.

03:57:16.660 This is him when he got arrested for domestic violence.

03:57:19.600 All right, so if I'm going to summarize this for you guys, basically a guy came forward, right, and revealed a bunch of information.

03:57:25.780 Hey, I was a part of this criminal gang.

03:57:27.020 We learned how to kill people. 0.67

03:57:28.260 Post was the guy. 1.00

03:57:29.100 He's a Zodiac killer.

03:57:30.480 And they went up and followed on this lead.

03:57:32.560 And what they're doing is they're analyzing DNA, right, and they've been able, they think that Post was the killer of this woman right here, Sherry Jo Bates.

03:57:43.900 Okay, and the reason why, you guys remember, the reason why they think he killed her is because, number one, the time piece, right, this right here, the Timex watch, right, that they found at the scene had, where is it?

03:58:07.860 Had paint on it, okay?

03:58:12.360 And at the time, Post was a house painter.

03:58:15.180 Also, Post was in the military, and he had a pair, he also wore a size 10 and a half, similar to your guy, Lee Allen.

03:58:26.320 Then, the other reason, too, why they think it could have been him is because he had dark brown hair, similar to what they found in Sherry Bates' hand.

03:58:41.620 Remember, you guys, she had four hair follicles in her hand at the time.

03:58:48.280 And the other thing as well, there was another piece.

03:58:50.720 I think they were testing it for DNA, and they've been able to link him to the other Zodiac killings as well with the footprints.

03:58:56.700 So, apparently there's a documentary coming out on this where they're going to conclusively prove that Post was, in fact, the Zodiac killer.

03:59:07.040 But we don't, and also he has the scars, right, the scars that they used on the, in the 1969 Paul Stein killing with the scars on the head.

03:59:18.220 He also has those scars as well, right?

03:59:21.060 And he had brown hair when he was younger.

03:59:23.260 Obviously, he's much older now.

03:59:25.320 But, yeah.

03:59:27.160 So, they're saying that, and they said also they found Post's name in some of the Zodiac killer's cryptograms.

03:59:34.360 What else?

03:59:36.060 Oh, there we go.

03:59:37.040 Cobra said that the evidentiary gold mine is now being examined by three forensic labs.

03:59:40.360 He believes that modern techniques like identifying fingerprints on shell casings may match official police evidence and convince skeptical detectives that Post is their man.

03:59:47.480 So, before Post died, he gave away a bunch of, um, sorry guys, here it is right here.

03:59:53.520 He gave away a bunch of ammunition, and they had that ammunition, and they're going to scan it and see if it was the same ammunition.

03:59:59.560 All right, and I think some of it actually did match one of the crime scenes, okay?

04:00:04.900 And then FBI officials in San Francisco say they're still investigating the Zodiac killer has been linked to five seemingly random brutal murders in 1968 and in 1969 in San Francisco Bay Area.

04:00:16.220 What the hell?

04:00:18.340 What is this? 0.98

04:00:20.120 All right, back.

04:00:23.100 Oh.

04:00:24.100 Yeah, I definitely feel like it was, like, a group offer.

04:00:26.980 Like, I was going to say, I feel like.

04:00:28.320 Like, you got help?

04:00:28.940 Yeah, no.

04:00:29.960 Possibly, yeah.

04:00:30.620 I feel like it was, like, just more than one of these guys.

04:00:35.400 Um.

04:00:37.160 Okay, according to the investigator, a few years before his death, Post quietly began giving away his weapon, pistol parts, gunpowder, bullets, and shell casings more than a thousand, involving 25 different calibers to favorite locals.

04:00:47.780 Okay, and then that's how they're able to get this stuff.

04:00:50.760 Um, let's see here.

04:00:52.040 Okay, so the Zodiac boasted that he had more than 30 murders, and I remember, and I think in his last one, can you pull up the last Zodiac one?

04:01:03.040 I think it was in 1937, or excuse me, it was 1974, his last letter, and we'll show it to them.

04:01:09.640 And I think he says, uh, the infamous SFPD zero, Zodiac killer 37.

04:01:15.500 And then one of them is 51 years to crack.

04:01:20.640 Let's see here.

04:01:21.960 Uh.

04:01:22.360 Colstein believes that Post's Zodiac because of a physical similarity to a 1916 police sketch of the killer, both featuring forehead scars and anagrams sent to the San Francisco Chronicle that purportedly revealed Post's name.

04:01:37.180 So Post's name is in the, is in the, uh, codes.

04:01:40.420 Um.

04:01:40.860 Okay, Smith also said that when Avery asked Post, are you the Zodiac, the man came at him with a five-pound hammer.

04:01:50.660 Smith said that Post's posse always called him, uh, only the old man, another source, told the Post that Post was a good house painter who painted Clint Eastwood's mother's home in the 1970s.

04:02:01.980 Uh.

04:02:08.900 Did you find it?

04:02:09.680 Was it the first one?

04:02:11.420 Uh.

04:02:12.820 I saw, but I think the exorcist was the best.

04:02:16.260 Oh, yeah.

04:02:16.620 He talks about the exorcist.

04:02:17.680 Yeah.

04:02:18.160 Find the one where it says 37 to no.

04:02:22.640 Uh.

04:02:24.120 Let's see here.

04:02:25.620 Is there anything else?

04:02:28.620 All right.

04:02:29.400 So, also.

04:02:32.240 And, um, I'll go ahead and show you guys something else here.

04:02:35.720 Because I actually watched the video with some of the people and we're, we'll skim through it real fast.

04:02:44.080 Give me one second, guys.

04:02:51.780 I'm pulling it up right now.

04:02:54.360 History.

04:02:57.000 I think it was this one.

04:02:59.320 It's like me, 37.

04:03:01.600 37?

04:03:02.240 Yeah.

04:03:02.900 S-F-T-D-0.

04:03:04.980 Hey, everyone.

04:03:05.440 Okay.

04:03:06.440 Okay.

04:03:07.480 So, this woman interviews one of the guys.

04:03:10.340 And he kind of goes over some of the evidence.

04:03:14.200 A book that talks about how to make these codes.

04:03:17.420 And who's Cooper?

04:03:18.880 Why are you mentioning somebody named Cooper?

04:03:20.440 Okay.

04:03:21.080 I'm going to break down the Cooper case for y'all later on.

04:03:23.240 Don't worry.

04:03:24.240 He is the same height, weight of the Zodiac described in other locations.

04:03:30.320 It is the only daytime attack of the Zodiac suspected murders.

04:03:38.760 All right.

04:03:39.480 So, that's one thing.

04:03:41.460 Let's fast forward a little bit more.

04:03:43.380 Then a pay phone after he did it.

04:03:45.460 Yes.

04:03:45.820 Right?

04:03:46.040 So, jumping back to the murder of Darlene Farron and the attack on Mike Magot, at 1240

04:03:54.100 a.m., there was a call to the police.

04:03:57.360 And it was to the Vallejo Police Department.

04:04:00.800 The man said, I would like to report a double murder.

04:04:03.880 He didn't know that Mike Magot had survived.

04:04:06.240 If you will go one mile east on Columbus Parkway to the public park, you will find the kids

04:04:11.000 in a brown car.

04:04:12.440 They were shot with a nine millimeter Luger. 0.98

04:04:16.040 I also killed those kids last year. 0.99

04:04:19.460 Goodbye. 0.98

04:04:20.220 An apparent reference to David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen.

04:04:23.460 Then after the Cecilia Shepard and Brian Hartnell attack in Napa.

04:04:28.300 Similar.

04:04:29.820 And call to Napa County Sheriff's Office at 740 p.m.

04:04:33.480 I want to report a murder.

04:04:35.380 No, a double murder.

04:04:37.160 They are two miles north of Park headquarters.

04:04:38.900 They were in a white Volkswagen, Carmen Ghia.

04:04:42.480 I'm the one who did it.

04:04:44.380 What's that?

04:04:45.240 What do we glean from these confessions, which everyone seems to agree was Zodiac?

04:04:51.080 Well, I'll give you another example, too, because it matches.

04:04:56.960 Oceanside PD, first cab driver killed.

04:05:00.940 And before we talked about this as well in 1962, guys, or he killed him.

04:05:04.700 He called the police department, said, I'm going to this is paraphrasing.

04:05:08.400 I'm going to commit a crime that you're never going to be able to figure out.

04:05:13.640 And sure enough, after shooting him in the back of the head, just like the San Francisco

04:05:18.400 cab shot back in the head, he calls a few days later from that area and said, I told you

04:05:27.800 you'd never figure it out.

04:05:29.560 He was stationed at an Air Force base along the coast in Santa Barbara area.

04:05:35.340 And there is a railroad track that empties right at his base and is five minutes from

04:05:43.260 the murder scene of that cab driver in Oceanside.

04:05:46.540 OK, now I want to keep my crime straight, because the next crime we know is committed

04:05:53.400 by Zodiac was of a cab driver.

04:05:57.420 It seems like you're talking about a separate one, but the one let me just set this one

04:06:02.620 up before we get to your one.

04:06:03.760 This is this would be Zodiac number four confirmed again.

04:06:08.220 Stocky build, consistent, reddish brown hair, consistent.

04:06:12.280 Mike had said brown hair with heavy rimmed glasses.

04:06:15.020 That's a new detail.

04:06:17.280 And they initially thought this was a robbery gone bad, but then they realized it wasn't.

04:06:22.820 And once again, Zodiac wrote a letter to the San Francisco Chronicle this time.

04:06:27.000 And he said, I did it.

04:06:29.580 And tell us why we had every reason to believe that was not a hoax letter.

04:06:34.520 The person writing it really did kill Paul Stein.

04:06:38.360 Well, he also put a piece of a shirt in it, sent letters afterwards.

04:06:43.160 And one of them he bragged.

04:06:45.000 The reason they were not finding any prints of him was because he put glue on his fingertips

04:06:50.580 and that left no prints.

04:06:52.820 And he bragged about it in a letter right after that, too.

04:06:56.960 So it matches the Oceanside back of the head.

04:07:01.900 That is a one shell that was recovered on the floor of the cab.

04:07:06.320 It is with, right now, San Francisco PD.

04:07:10.400 And our plans are to compare our nine millimeters to there.

04:07:16.020 This is the one, if I'm not mistaken, where with the letter he sent to the San Francisco

04:07:22.240 Chronicle, he included a portion of the bloody shirt of Paul Stein, which is just so chilling.

04:07:31.140 That are hoping someday they can share with people who they are.

04:07:35.300 And they sometimes leak it out.

04:07:38.780 And that is, but he said, you're not going to be able to figure this one out.

04:07:45.000 And then he called him back and bragged about it.

04:07:47.920 That was the cab driver that died in 1962 that I showed you guys before.

04:07:51.980 I think his name was Raymond.

04:07:52.960 The word, Zodiac.

04:07:54.360 My own brother said.

04:07:56.860 I have to give them credit for stumbling across my riverside activity, but they are only

04:08:01.600 That's one of the letters I read to you guys before.

04:08:02.880 Finding the easy ones.

04:08:03.960 There are a hell of a lot more down there.

04:08:06.380 The reason I'm writing to the times is this.

04:08:08.760 They don't bury me.

04:08:09.820 They made a decision to bury her.

04:08:12.580 It's not so dissimilar from what we see now.

04:08:15.460 Somebody was just positing on a show.

04:08:18.120 I listened to our podcast.

04:08:18.760 I can't remember what they were talking about.

04:08:19.880 Why do we not have the series?

04:08:22.440 See, this is what happens when you don't got timestamps. 0.99

04:08:24.020 This is why I fed it as superior to this woman's fucking channel, man. 1.00

04:08:28.940 This is why timestamps are so goddamn important, guys. 0.98

04:08:31.760 I'm trying to find the part for y'all.

04:08:34.100 And this woman's channel. 1.00

04:08:36.340 You know, no offense to Megyn Kelly, but this is fucking trash. 1.00

04:08:38.980 Yo, you got to have timestamps in your shit, man. 1.00

04:08:40.960 Any type of long form content. 0.98

04:08:42.100 You got to have timestamps of the questions that are answered.

04:08:44.900 Don't worry. 0.98

04:08:45.360 This video is going to have detailed fucking timestamps for y'all. 0.98

04:08:48.540 Right? 0.99

04:08:49.340 Real killers today like we used to.

04:08:51.300 You know, I was born in 1970.

04:08:52.900 I grew up hearing these stories and being afraid and son of Sam in New York and all of that.

04:08:57.920 And they were saying it's not really a basis to track license plates.

04:09:01.800 Move them in.

04:09:03.080 But all the Cooper.

04:09:05.500 You know what?

04:09:06.840 In this interview, they go over the similarities for Gary Post, guys.

04:09:10.760 Or, yeah, Gary Post.

04:09:12.360 Um, and that woman's podcast is unbearable. 1.00

04:09:16.500 It's fucking. 1.00

04:09:17.700 They go over it. 1.00

04:09:18.920 Gary Francis post.

04:09:19.980 However, you have to go in there fishing for it. 0.62

04:09:22.260 And quite frankly, this is the difference between good YouTubers and trash YouTubers. 0.99

04:09:26.820 You got to put your goddamn timestamps up. 0.99

04:09:28.680 And she didn't do that. 0.99

04:09:29.780 And I don't want to bore you guys with an hour plus podcast.

04:09:32.740 But all you guys got to know is that right now what's going on is they're looking through DNA.

04:09:38.580 Right?

04:09:38.820 They're comparing the hair follicles found at the Sherry Bates murder.

04:09:43.040 They're comparing ballistics with the bullets.

04:09:45.540 Right?

04:09:46.340 Tracing them back to the crime scenes from the late 60s.

04:09:49.720 And they're working now towards identifying this guy.

04:09:54.560 Right?

04:09:55.000 They're pretty sure that he is the Zodiac.

04:09:57.400 But we'll see what happens in their, um, their, uh, what's it called?

04:10:03.420 Their, uh, their documentary that they're working on.

04:10:06.960 Right?

04:10:07.460 And I think, let me go here on YouTube real fast.

04:10:15.520 Okay.

04:10:16.340 Gary Post.

04:10:18.400 Did she cover it?

04:10:25.820 Let's see if she put in stamps. 0.99

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04:10:39.520 Okay.

04:10:39.920 We know.

04:10:40.420 We already talked about the 340 and the 408 ciphers.

04:10:47.280 Let's see here.

04:10:48.400 And after he read the recent Case Breakers update, he looked more into their team and

04:10:54.360 realized that this lawyer who had contacted them was on the Case Breakers team.

04:10:59.640 Now, Gary Francis Post actually died in a state-run facility in 2018.

04:11:06.180 He was 80 years old and his cause of death was listed as vascular dementia, sepsis, septic

04:11:12.140 shock, and difficulty swallowing.

04:11:14.320 His wife, Mary, is still alive and is reportedly living in an assisted living facility.

04:11:20.460 Fox News says they have tried to reach out to Gary's family members to interview them

04:11:25.320 about the whole situation and they've had no luck with that.

04:11:28.640 However, a woman in California who lived next to Gary said that she believes, due to all

04:11:35.040 the evidence that has come out so far, that he truly is the Zodiac Killer.

04:11:38.240 Her name is Gwen.

04:11:39.280 She declined to give her last name.

04:11:41.500 And she claims that Gary and his wife actually babysat her a few times when she was younger.

04:11:52.200 This was back in the 70s and 80s.

04:11:55.140 And she claimed that he had tried to show her how to shoot a firearm multiple times and

04:12:00.680 that he was also very abusive to his wife, Mary, which would make sense.

04:12:03.900 Another woman named Michelle claimed that she was common-law married to Gary.

04:12:08.240 And she told Fox News that she was a victim of Gary and his posse several times during

04:12:13.860 their relationship, including incidents of damaging her car and other things.

04:12:18.520 Plus, many of you have probably seen this Facebook post going around.

04:12:22.660 I've seen it everywhere.

04:12:24.180 It's from a man named Glenn Barnes.

04:12:26.460 And he says,

04:12:27.360 Also, there was, you know, I think they interviewed like six witnesses that said that Gary Post

04:12:41.820 used to walk around and brag to them and the gang that he was, in fact, the Zodiac Killer.

04:12:46.420 There were several posts made about Gary by this guy, Glenn, and some of them have been

04:12:52.860 taken down, according to Newsweek.

04:12:54.960 Other posts have been shared on different forums, screenshots with different captions,

04:13:00.140 including,

04:13:01.160 Love this man with all my heart.

04:13:03.020 But of course, we do not know the authenticity of these posts at this point.

04:13:06.880 Investigators say, to this day, they still get at least three to four tips a week about

04:13:12.440 the Zodiac Killer, sometimes more.

04:13:14.000 But they have pretty much shut down the claim from case breakers and the San Francisco Police

04:13:19.840 Department and the San Francisco FBI has confirmed that the case is not solved and that their

04:13:25.660 investigation continues and remains open.

04:13:29.140 So, well, they also never disproved the case breakers as well and said that they're wrong.

04:13:33.260 They just said the case is still being investigated and is still open.

04:13:36.400 So they didn't confirm and or deny the case breakers stuff.

04:13:42.720 I mean, honestly, guys, with the evidence that I've seen, which I've described to y'all pretty

04:13:46.500 much, right, we got, you know, he was a painter, right?

04:13:52.500 We found paint on the watch.

04:13:54.080 He was in the military.

04:13:55.440 Also, where he used to go ahead and get his veterans benefits, one of the military hospitals

04:13:59.240 was very close to where Sherry Jo Bates was killed.

04:14:01.900 The brown hair on her hand, the paint on the watch, right?

04:14:04.980 Because he was a house painter at the time.

04:14:06.980 The fact that he ran a gang, his gang going ahead and saying, yo, he was the Zodiac.

04:14:11.800 He killed multiple people.

04:14:12.820 He admitted it to us.

04:14:14.400 Informants coming forward, the way he looks, the scar on the head.

04:14:18.020 And also keep in mind, the case breakers aren't telling everything that they found because

04:14:22.340 they want to go ahead and save it up for their documentary.

04:14:24.400 Also, allegedly, there's a bunch of weapons and or Zodiac stuff stashed somewhere on a

04:14:31.240 mountain that they need to get up there and they have the coordinates to do it so that

04:14:34.400 they don't have the resources and or the ability to get up there, you know, excavate, get the

04:14:39.200 stuff out.

04:14:39.700 And then they're going to need police there with them, obviously, right?

04:14:41.880 Because you need to maintain a chain of custody and the evidence properly.

04:14:45.400 So there's a bunch of stuff that they got to deal with.

04:14:48.500 But if I mean, here's the thing.

04:14:51.300 I think personally, Arthur Lee Allen is probably the best candidate.

04:14:57.960 He's probably the best suspect, the strongest suspect.

04:15:00.180 The amount of coincidences are ridiculous.

04:15:02.960 OK, and we go back to the pod if you guys want to go ahead over all the things about

04:15:07.360 Arthur Lee Allen.

04:15:07.980 I'll make sure I put a nice timestamp for y'all on that one.

04:15:10.800 But post, I need more evidence.

04:15:15.080 The case breakers are claiming that they're going to go ahead and link them through DNA and

04:15:18.520 through ballistics found that his, you know, his gang members gave him and they're going

04:15:24.660 to go ahead and compare it to prior crime scenes.

04:15:26.600 So we'll see what happens, man.

04:15:28.020 They're obviously not with they're not telling everything, right? 0.98

04:15:30.620 That's why all these YouTubers here are failing as far as like telling y'all what the fuck 0.89

04:15:33.620 was actually there. 0.64

04:15:34.280 I think I'm like one of the few actually outlining all the evidence they have, but they're

04:15:37.660 saving it for the documentary.

04:15:38.700 But anyway, what's your thoughts on this, Annie?

04:15:42.340 I'll turn it to y'all to you.

04:15:43.560 Sorry.

04:15:44.140 Turn it to you before we end this thing.

04:15:45.260 This thing has been going for about four hours plus is what y'all want with the Zodiac

04:15:48.940 killer.

04:15:50.040 I feel like Lee Allen, it has to be him.

04:15:53.780 And especially because the guy like identified his face.

04:15:57.000 I feel like that's like, yeah, like the 20 years plus later.

04:16:01.680 But no, I know.

04:16:03.100 But also, OK, when the woman identified his voice, like like she seemed kind of old and

04:16:11.480 out of it.

04:16:12.220 Yeah.

04:16:12.720 You know, it's just like God with Gajkowski. 0.68

04:16:15.460 Yeah.

04:16:16.020 Yeah.

04:16:16.360 Not too convincing.

04:16:17.920 Yeah. 0.95

04:16:18.340 So but no, I also and of course, for dramatic effect and shit like that, too. 0.80

04:16:22.520 Right. 0.94

04:16:22.740 Yeah.

04:16:23.460 But no, I also feel like it has to be like some sort of team effort.

04:16:28.080 Like, I don't think like he could have done it on his own or I don't know.

04:16:33.900 Yeah.

04:16:34.300 I don't know.

04:16:34.780 There's just I don't know.

04:16:35.980 There's so many things in it.

04:16:37.500 Yeah.

04:16:37.860 I would say the top three suspects by far, I would put Arthur Lee Allen first.

04:16:43.460 I need to see the evidence on post.

04:16:45.020 So for now, I'll put Gajkowski second and then I'll put post third.

04:16:48.960 And then the other guys are all, you know, random.

04:16:51.120 And then this isn't to mention all the people that came forward and said, my dad is a Zodiac.

04:16:54.780 You know what I mean? 1.00

04:16:55.500 So many guys came forward and said that shit. 1.00

04:16:57.280 So, you know, again, this guy's this was a four hour plus podcast. 1.00

04:17:01.000 The sun is about to fucking come up.

04:17:02.580 But I honestly saved y'all a lot of time by distilling a lot of the information, because 0.96

04:17:06.860 as you guys can see, there's a Zodiac black hole that you can easily go into.

04:17:11.560 And I'm going to make sure I put detailed timestamps on here for you guys.

04:17:14.420 You can go ahead and skip to whatever part you want to see, whether it's the suspects,

04:17:17.680 the crimes, the how the murder happened.

04:17:20.480 I'm going to put nice and detailed stamps for y'all, man.

04:17:22.880 Other than that, Annie, where can they find you on Instagram or whatever?

04:17:26.600 So my Instagram is nutty Annie, N-U-T-T-I-A-N-N-I.

04:17:32.520 It's nutty Annie? 0.96

04:17:33.400 Yeah.

04:17:33.840 Okay.

04:17:34.640 Fair enough.

04:17:35.940 And guys, you know, you can find me here at Fed1811, Fresh and Fit Podcast, Unplugged Fit

04:17:40.140 on Instagram.

04:17:41.260 Hope you guys enjoyed that, man.

04:17:43.440 And yeah, this is probably one of the most extensive edits I've done.

04:17:46.820 I know you guys have been asking for this for a while, but hey, as you guys know, I had

04:17:49.840 to do a lot of research on this.

04:17:51.440 And yeah, we'll see what happens.

04:17:53.260 I'll probably have to put the full version on Rumble, because I know YouTube is probably

04:17:55.840 going to be lame about the copyright stuff.

04:17:58.040 But hey, man, I had to give it to y'all and use the movie scene so that you guys can get

04:18:02.100 a full understanding, because the movie was very, very well done and very accurate to

04:18:05.540 the actual events.

04:18:07.060 But other than that, guys, love y'all.

04:18:08.680 Don't forget to like the video, subscribe to the channel, and I'll catch you guys on

04:18:13.000 the next one.

04:18:13.720 Peace.

04:18:14.100 Peace.

04:18:16.500 I was a special agent with Homeland Security Investigations.

04:18:19.000 Okay, guys?

04:18:19.520 H-S-I. 0.99

04:18:20.340 The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug trafficking.

04:18:25.440 No one else has these documents, by the way.

04:18:27.760 Here's what Fed it covers.

04:18:28.860 Dr. Lafredo confirmed lacerations due to stepping on glass.

04:18:35.700 Murder Investigations.

04:18:36.720 You see him reaching in his jacket.

04:18:37.780 You don't know.

04:18:38.960 And he's positioning.

04:18:39.600 Been on February 13, 2019.

04:18:41.320 You're facing two counts of two meditative meals.

04:18:44.220 Bracketeering and Rico Conspiracies.

04:18:46.220 Young Slime Life here and after referred to as YSL.

04:18:48.860 This is 6ix9ine, and then this is Billy Seiko right here. 0.82

04:18:52.300 Now, when they first started, guys, 6ix9ine ran with me. 0.98

04:18:54.920 I'm a Fed.

04:18:55.420 I'm watching this music video.

04:18:57.180 You know, I'm Bobby Mahala. 0.99

04:18:58.380 Hey, this shit lit. 0.99

04:18:59.280 But at the same time, I'm pausing. 0.99

04:19:00.760 Oh, wait.

04:19:01.180 Who this?

04:19:02.000 Right?

04:19:02.420 Oh, who's that in the back?

04:19:04.620 Firearms and violent crime.

04:19:05.960 A.K.A. Bush Icy violated.

04:19:07.800 You're wanting to stay away from the victim.

04:19:09.540 Trapper Bush Icy arrested after shooting at King of Diamonds, Miami Silk Club. 0.97

04:19:12.720 This is the one that's going to fuck him up because this gun is not tracing me. 0.96

04:19:17.060 Well, it happened at the gun range. 0.99

04:19:18.240 Here's your boy, 42 Doug, right here on the left.

04:19:20.500 Okay. 0.99

04:19:20.820 Sex trafficking and sex crimes.

04:19:22.200 They can effectively link him to paying an underage...

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - December 12, 2022

Fed Cracks Code Of Most Infamous Serial Killer： The Zodiac

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