The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Fed Explains Genovese Family & Crazy Don Vince Gigante

00:00:00.000 and we are live what's up guys welcome to feta today we're gonna be covering a part of the

00:00:04.740 mafia series we're gonna be covering the genovese crime family uh i got andrew here with me hi guys

00:00:09.700 um i'll be here i i know i wasn't like i was not on the last live well premiere the last mafia

00:00:18.320 episode the last mafia episode yes i was busy sleeping she was asleep guys she she's useless

00:00:24.720 no i'm just kidding no she actually uh she helped out she was really tired because you guys got to

00:00:28.460 remember that she works another job so she works a full day then she comes and helps me with fed it

00:00:33.380 um and then i finish my shift after she finishes like eight ten hours of work and then on top of

00:00:38.880 that we had done uh which episode did we we did the dc sniper yeah which was very long the dc sniper

00:00:44.960 then after that right we go get food and stuff like that by then it's like three four o'clock i

00:00:49.520 mean hell right now as we're filming it's 4 30 in the morning um and that day myron slept all day

00:00:54.140 that's why i will not confirm or deny if that is true but yeah so she she went to sleep that's why

00:01:02.420 like you know what i mean so she she comes down helps me out at the end of her long work shift

00:01:06.240 so shout out to her uh but anyway so guys we're gonna get right into i'm not gonna play the intro

00:01:10.420 here we're gonna go ahead and go right into the genovese crime family um so the genovese crime

00:01:14.620 family pronounced uh genovese i think also sometimes referred to as the west side as an italian

00:01:19.260 american mafia uh crime family and one of the five families that dominate organized crime activities

00:01:24.200 in new york city and new york new jersey as part of the american mafia they have generally maintained

00:01:28.440 a varying degree of influence over many of the smaller mob families outside of new york including

00:01:32.940 ties with the philadelphia patriarca and buffalo crime families okay okay um hang on um before you

00:01:39.280 guys go any further i just want you to know that if you're watching this this is the fourth

00:01:45.020 uh out of the five families that we've covered already so um if you haven't watched any of the

00:01:52.520 other ones go watch it before you watch this one although it's not gonna like um make much of a

00:01:58.460 difference but it is very important that you watch the first episode that we at least the first one

00:02:02.900 yes we can kill you be like and you know what i'm really glad you mentioned that let me share the

00:02:07.480 screen with them real quick so they see what we're talking about here and stuff yeah so guys we went

00:02:11.520 ahead and created a whole uh mafia playlist for you guys right here okay and the this genovese one

00:02:16.620 is going to be here but as you guys can see the first episode we covered was um and i'll enlarge it

00:02:22.020 for you guys real fast uh was you know the origins right where we break down to to chat you know

00:02:27.860 everything oh shout out to michael francis we're gonna actually have him on the podcast next week

00:02:31.160 yeah it's gonna be great um angie's been researching uh questions to ask his history everything

00:02:39.240 like that she's pretty much been uh covering that um so yeah we got michael francis oh sorry uh the

00:02:45.100 origins here right then we go ahead and go into john guyden the gambino family then we got the

00:02:49.240 lucchese's how they were freaking man those guys made money by any means they were extorting um

00:02:54.000 kosher chicken spots yeah yeah they didn't give a shit and then the banano crime family this is the

00:02:59.520 one that angie missed but yeah like i said she was passed out but you didn't you watch this on the

00:03:04.820 premiere with them i tried to kill yeah i was part of the premiere yeah i'm always watching the

00:03:09.300 premieres with you guys and i'm always like i'm active on the chat so i can copy like your case

00:03:14.560 requests and all that stuff so i'll be i'll be watching this premiere for sure so yeah that's why

00:03:20.720 i wanted to mention if you guys are watching this um this is the fourth of the five family so the last

00:03:26.280 one we left it uh at last on purpose because we're gonna have the mr franchisi yes yes we will have

00:03:35.060 him on may 17th so that's why we left that's why we're yeah the colombo one we're gonna do the

00:03:39.760 colombo one first but we pushed it back just uh since he's gonna be in town um but uh but yeah guys

00:03:45.640 so go check out that mafia playlist man you guys have been asking for the mafia forever so we're

00:03:50.460 we're delivering as you guys wanted and then probably after this we'll probably cover some colombian

00:03:54.920 uh crime stuff and then some mexican stuff so like i said before as you guys know when it comes to

00:04:00.260 um organized crime groups i want to make sure that i have entire series i mean hell we got a whole 9-11

00:04:04.880 playlist which we're gonna do the second part of 9-11 by the way guys um on rumble that's definitely

00:04:10.580 not gonna be on youtube for obvious reasons because of them boys if you know what i'm saying

00:04:15.240 actually i wanted to ask you like after we finish this is the question that i wanted to ask like

00:04:20.040 after we finish the this like five families of the italian mafia what we should do like are we

00:04:27.500 continuing with the italian mafia uh we'll probably do um performance and stuff good good question we'll

00:04:33.780 probably two two things we're gonna do so al capone because i know they've been asking you about that

00:04:38.420 right they have so we're gonna cover al capone and the outfit out of chicago because they didn't call

00:04:42.300 them the mafia in chicago they call them the outfit so we're gonna definitely cover that at least

00:04:45.380 then we might i might go ahead and do uh the philly mob and the buffalo mob and uh the florida guys

00:04:53.640 uh down there in tampa like um uh i think traffic ante like i might do all them in one episode right

00:05:00.920 so all the other kind of like mob mob guys in all the different parts of the country i might cover that

00:05:05.540 in like one episode so we're gonna do al capone dedicated without finish chicago because that was like

00:05:08.900 the next big uh mafia organization then we're gonna go ahead and cover all the smaller sub subsets in

00:05:14.880 the different parts and then i'm gonna go ahead and do an episode and this is going to be a special

00:05:19.200 for y'all i'll announce it right now we're gonna have ryan dawson on and we're gonna cover how the

00:05:26.320 italian mafia and organized crime work very closely with the cia guys and they definitely worked with

00:05:32.960 intelligence agencies back in the days especially in the 40s etc because just watch the documentary

00:05:38.560 numec and you guys are going to see how intelligence agencies played a role in

00:05:44.880 criminal activity going on and maybe some nuclear bombs being transported to a certain country that

00:05:50.080 we can not talk about on youtube so yeah anyway uh but yeah i'll do an episode with ryan dawson on

00:05:56.560 that as well guys okay so um anyway without further ado guys we're gonna go ahead and break down

00:06:01.680 this episode the crazy dawn okay from the fbi files as y'all know i love this documentary because it

00:06:07.120 you know it takes a more specific look at um the fbi agents that are involved in the investigations

00:06:12.320 and fbi agents give a lot more background in the cases which i like which gives a lot more

00:06:17.600 in my opinion richer information for you guys and more for me to break down for as well because i can

00:06:22.160 kind of read between the lines when they give their um background in cases so yeah without further

00:06:26.480 let's get into it for 30 years vincent giganti wandered the streets of new york's greenwich village

00:06:38.880 dressed in a tatted bathrobe and babbling endlessly to himself to the fbi he was believed to be the boss

00:06:45.760 of new york's most powerful mafia organization the genovese crime family was giganti crazy or was his

00:06:53.360 behavior a shrewd attempt to disguise his position as a ruthless marketplace that question would take

00:07:00.240 years to answer yeah you guys heard that right you had a guy who basically was supposed to be crazy

00:07:06.560 to evade detection from the fbi man so that is creative

00:07:10.320 every family has eccentrics even crime families crime boss vincent giganti head of new york's

00:07:24.320 genovese family was undoubtedly eccentric the question remained was he truly mad justice rested

00:07:32.000 on the answer outwardly he roamed the streets as a doggedly old man barely in touch with the reality

00:07:38.080 but in the eyes of the law he was a cunning conspirator and responsible for murder i'm jim

00:07:45.120 kalstrom former director of the fbi's new york office organized crime takes a concerted effort to crack

00:07:52.160 the fbi is devoted to cracking it the case against giganti hinged on his ability to stand trial

00:07:59.280 was a strange behavior an act of madness or a stroke of genius

00:08:03.520 anyone who witnessed giganti's ravings would have found it hard to believe that he controlled the

00:08:11.840 largest and most profitable family in the new york mafia an organization with a long and bloody history

00:08:21.600 the origins of the mafia can so i will say this one good thing that this documentary does is it's

00:08:26.320 going to go ahead and go over the origins of the mafia and give you guys a quick little you know

00:08:30.400 rewind but if you guys want the full background on you know everything from sicily to the casa

00:08:37.440 malariz war lucky luciano maranzano all that stuff um how the mafia became to be the commission all that

00:08:44.480 stuff i go into way more detail on that first episode that i showed you guys on the mafia playlist

00:08:49.600 we trace back to 13th century feudal sicilian society bands of sicilian families organize themselves

00:08:56.800 to rebel against the oppressive and ruthless french invaders mafia the acronym for the italian

00:09:03.840 morta alla francia italia anella which translates to death to the french as italy's cry became the

00:09:10.960 name that these organized families used to refer to themselves its meaning synonymous with men of honor

00:09:19.600 by the 19th century the mafia re-emerged in sicily as a purely criminal culture mostly hiring themselves

00:09:27.360 out to wealthy landowners to oppress upstart peasants more and more the goal of the mafia became focused

00:09:33.760 on how to generate illegal profits the tradition continued as waves of italians emigrated to new york

00:09:44.560 in the 1920s most immigrants lived in cramped and poor conditions

00:09:52.720 as a result of growing ethnic tensions sicilian americans became the target of growing resentment

00:10:00.160 they needed mafia protection more and more

00:10:05.600 louis chileiro a third generation italian american is head of the fbi's new york field office

00:10:11.440 a 23 year veteran he is an expert on the mafia translation when they say head of the new york

00:10:17.280 field office guys that means he is the special agent in charge uh which the fbi refers to that as

00:10:21.920 a saic uh when i worked at hsi we used to call them an sac or a sac um that you know the bureau uses

00:10:29.600 different acronyms every now and then but yeah he's pretty much uh the top guy um in new york which if you

00:10:35.200 go to new york field office um they're going to have multiple saic's actually that oversee

00:10:40.960 multiple groups because it's such a big field office and its intricate structure

00:10:46.240 when they first became uh prevalent in new york city it primarily uh victimized members of the

00:10:51.760 immigrant community where in in lower manhattan they became the victims of extortions and protection

00:10:56.960 rackets and and that's how the cousin ostra families originally got their start

00:11:01.040 with prohibition influence of the crime families grew out from the isolated neighborhoods and began

00:11:07.680 to spread nationwide a new form of underworld cooperation emerged various crime families

00:11:14.480 across america banded together to supply illegal alcohol to a country willing to pay for it

00:11:22.320 i think that probably more as you guys know the prohibition area is what made

00:11:26.240 the mafia extremely wealthy in the 1920s uh everyone wanted booze they couldn't get it so

00:11:32.640 obviously the bootleggers had it and who ran that the uh the italian mafia man more than anything

00:11:38.880 they were making billions of dollars in today's dollars equivalency gave the italian gangs the italian

00:11:45.520 causa nostra families a foothold in american society not only from an organizational standpoint but certainly

00:11:51.760 from a financial base uh since prohibition uh certainly they then expanded into other areas

00:11:58.480 operating outside the law meant the mafia had to police itself

00:12:02.560 for an organization animated by self-interest and greed there would always be conflict in opposition

00:12:09.840 an elite group of killers were organized to enforce mafia rules oh yeah that was back in the day they

00:12:15.440 didn't care they were bombing up places they were just shooting them with machine guns man it was

00:12:19.120 a different time back then by ensuring it survived

00:12:25.680 this group of mob and forces came to be known as murder inc

00:12:30.720 by the early 1940s murder inc would be responsible for hundreds of mob related murders nationwide

00:12:40.240 the powerful new york bosses during the mafia's early that's lucky luciano right

00:12:44.320 there guys often um credited as being the godfather of the mafia because he was

00:12:49.280 after the customary war he basically um instilled the ideology of the five crime families having

00:12:57.440 their own bosses and the commission which the commission would oversee the five crime families

00:13:02.000 and basically every boss would have a seat at the table at the commission so they would make um

00:13:07.920 they'd you know resolve disputes they'd make uh business decisions together they would you know if a

00:13:13.760 boss needed to get whacked or something like that they would take a vote so anything that was big

00:13:18.080 that needed to be done uh especially as far as like you know being an intermediary between the

00:13:23.040 families it was done through the commission which was a nationwide effort by the way as seen by

00:13:28.880 a buffalo state trooper who stumbled upon some of them in upstate new york years lucky luciano

00:13:34.560 and frank costello set up a ruling body for the mafia responsible for delegating territories and duties

00:13:40.880 among the various gangs nationwide home for america's five largest families new york remained the center

00:13:49.600 of the mafia's expanding foothold in america it remains so to this day the five new york families

00:13:57.840 consist currently of the gambino family the banana lucchese the colombo and the genovese family

00:14:03.920 each of those families are also members of the commission and also have their base in new york city

00:14:10.880 the commission composed of the bosses that's carlo gambino right there as you guys uh remember we

00:14:16.400 covered him uh in the first uh the second episode of the mafia series uh probably one of the most

00:14:22.640 feared and um ruled with the most respected mob boss uh he ran for one of the longest amounts of

00:14:30.640 time and on top of that he was never he never died of prison or was killed he actually died of

00:14:34.880 natural causes which is rare for a mob boss of the five new york and he didn't live too far from where

00:14:39.280 i grew up god damn it in brooklyn families acts as if y'all want to see where i grew up as a kid you

00:14:44.640 guys got to go back and watch the episode on the gambino family okay criminal board of directors

00:14:49.840 settling disputes between families and making major decisions on mafia business

00:14:56.240 each family is governed by its administration comprised of the boss the underboss and the

00:15:01.600 consigliere or counselor who are responsible for directing their family's criminal activity

00:15:09.280 below the administration in the family hierarchy are the captains the captains are the leaders of

00:15:16.160 crews of soldiers the men responsible for carrying out the day-to-day criminal activity

00:15:21.840 to become a soldier properly known as a wise guy or good fella an individual has to first be made or

00:15:28.720 officially inducted into the secret society he must blindly obey the rules of casa nostra italian for this

00:15:36.720 thing of ours he is sworn to put the family ahead of all else if he is asked to kill he must faithfully

00:15:43.840 do so

00:15:47.440 it was against this backdrop a bustling immigrant community within and just you guys know i go over

00:15:53.360 the ritual of how to become a maid guy um what it takes etc all the requirements in the first episode

00:15:59.360 when i talk about you know the mafia in detail um also just you guys know uh captain is also known as a

00:16:06.320 capo that is pretty much like a first-line supervisor over a soldier who's a maid guy

00:16:11.920 exactly thank you banding casa nostra influence that vincent giganti grew up

00:16:17.440 so that means to become a maid guy and by the way i talk about this guys in the last episode that i did

00:16:29.440 with um with the banana crime family how uh joe pistone undercover fbi agent aka donnie brasco almost

00:16:49.600 became a maid guy uh while undercover came the closest to anyone ever to becoming a maid guy that

00:16:56.400 was in law enforcement and you guys can see here all the crimes that um the mafia was involved in

00:17:02.080 you know organized crime you see all the tentacles narcotics extortion murder arson bribery hijacking

00:17:06.800 corruption because they were hijacking uh planes back then and stealing from them at the airport if you

00:17:11.200 guys remember yeah uh the gambino family did this and john gott he was notorious for this uh labor

00:17:16.080 racketeering stolen property cigarette smuggling which was a big thing back in the day guys you guys

00:17:21.920 got to remember that back um and you guys should watch my hezbollah episode as well if you guys really

00:17:26.240 want to learn about cigarette smuggling cigarette smuggling is one of those crimes that no one really

00:17:30.720 gives a about it but it's extremely profitable because if you buy cigarettes in one

00:17:35.920 area that's cheap or no taxes etc and you go sell them somewhere else you can make quite a bit of

00:17:40.320 money and keep in mind guys 10 20 30 years ago right and plus smoking was cool it's not the same way

00:17:48.000 as it is now in 2023 where smoking is considered like dude what are you doing like smoking cigarettes

00:17:52.720 used to be the thing to do you could leave the united states and everyone smokes guys so this whole

00:17:57.440 not smoking thing is relatively new in an american thing so back in the day used to be huge cigarette

00:18:02.640 smuggling and you'd be able to get away with it because no one gave a about it the

00:18:06.720 only people that really investigate it was like the atf if that and uh and the time if you did get

00:18:12.320 caught was very little and then you got infiltration of legitimate business that's true because

00:18:16.640 what was the mafia doing they were uh entering in and strong arming um labor unions uh the kosher

00:18:24.880 the kosher chicken business as you guys saw with the lucchese crime family uh loan sharking which is

00:18:30.160 the process of you know um basically giving people predatory loans hey i'll give you this um loan on 28

00:18:38.560 uh or 29 or 30 40 50 and then they can't pay you back so next thing you know now you say okay

00:18:44.720 use work for me now forget about it i own your business and then obviously illegal gambling that's

00:18:49.920 the mafia's big one pornography huge prostitution narcotics yeah yeah even if they're not involved

00:18:57.040 in it what the mafia would do is if you were conducting business where you were selling

00:19:01.120 pornography or whatever they'd come in and say hey you owe me a cut now or else forget about it and

00:19:06.560 then next thing you know you're being extorted and they're just like mama mia they got a pay up or

00:19:10.560 they're going to get some broken kneecaps career spanned a turbulent time in american mafia history

00:19:17.920 the mob had expanded its reach into legitimate businesses the various families fighting to

00:19:22.880 control and in the ensuing turf wars violence was often the final arbiter

00:19:31.440 the family the giganti attached himself to was steeped in casa nostra's american origins

00:19:37.280 the infamous charles lucky luciano responsible for organizing and structuring the american mafia

00:19:43.600 was the family's first boss until he was imprisoned in 1936 as a result luciano's family administration

00:19:51.760 frank costello nicknamed the prime minister of the underworld and vito genovese fought for control

00:19:57.840 of the family costello won out but vito genovese began plotting his takeover

00:20:03.680 if you guys want to learn more about lucky luciano watch that first episode that we did and you guys

00:20:08.960 are going to see how close he was to a certain individual mayor lansky aka one of them boys

00:20:15.600 and how he was critical to the italian mafia's rise and making a lot of money

00:20:22.320 a young vincent giganti first gained notoriety as a mobster in 1957 when he attempted to murder frank

00:20:28.880 costello within the mafia it was widely believed that vito genovese had ordered the hit to get rid

00:20:35.040 of his rival giganti's bullet only grazed costello's head but apparently costello got the message soon

00:20:42.480 after the shooting he put out word that he was retiring vito genovese was now the boss of the family

00:20:48.480 that would take his name giganti was arrested for attempted murder and brought to trial

00:20:56.640 but the case was dismissed for lack of a witness

00:21:01.520 the location and angle of costello's wound indicated he probably saw the would-be assassin

00:21:06.880 but at the trial he failed to identify giganti as the shooter even for an ousted boss the oath of secrecy

00:21:15.040 remained sacred giganti continued to make money for the genovese family through illegal enterprises

00:21:24.480 two years after the failed assassination attempt he was arrested and convicted of narcotics violations

00:21:30.800 he received a seven-year sentence and you guys as you guys know narcotics was something that was

00:21:37.200 frowned upon in the mafia but you know if you were earner they'd kind of look the other way

00:21:42.320 but typically it was an offense that would get you killed convicted mobsters are expected to do their

00:21:47.680 time and remain silent if giganti served his time and kept his mouth shut he would be rewarded after

00:21:54.480 his release it was up to giganti to figure out how to avoid future arrests

00:22:01.920 he was a model prisoner neat polite and willing to take on any job

00:22:09.520 giganti's cooperation was so impressive that some prison officials wrote glowing reports

00:22:14.080 he was released early from the federal penitentiary in lewisburg for good behavior when he was 35 years

00:22:22.000 old oh that's it now he's about to be back out there on the streets

00:22:28.160 giganti now devised a secret plan that he hoped would prevent his return to prison forever

00:22:36.560 he didn't want to leave his mafia life or give up his shot at becoming the boss of the family

00:22:41.280 after his release in 1964 giganti's public behavior began to grow bizarre

00:22:47.840 he became a frequent sight on the streets of greenwich village giganti could be found wandering

00:22:52.880 the neighborhood appearing disoriented and mentally unstable that's crazy

00:23:00.000 he was like i'm not going back i'm not going back forget about it um the the the italian mafia

00:23:08.640 bought like a lot of people in prison

00:23:11.280 so they were like whenever a member of the mafia will go to prison they will be treated with respect

00:23:19.520 at all times yes we saw that in the uh banana family uh one of the guys the boss that was in the

00:23:25.200 in jail he basically called the black people and then word if y'all know what i'm saying i'm on

00:23:29.600 youtube i can't say if i was on rumble i would but uh and uh yeah but anyway yeah so he would he

00:23:36.320 would say that and they didn't touch him why because the mafia had that much power back in the day

00:23:40.240 um you're actually listening to uh aren't you listening to the five families uh i'm listening

00:23:44.400 to an audible the one of the best books on the on the crime uh italian mafia uh yeah it's called five

00:23:51.520 families by so it's got like a arab arabic name here i want to say because it's really good you guys if

00:23:58.400 you want to listen to it it like it has like all the details on the italian mafia it's called five

00:24:05.280 families by uh sewing rob so when rob that's the name of the guy yeah it's pretty good yeah she's been

00:24:14.160 uh listening to that quite a bit man i also watched the good fellas oh you did yeah good movie right

00:24:19.360 yeah it was really good it was really good for 1990s yeah yeah that was one of one of the best mob movies uh

00:24:25.360 of all time but it's about the life of henry henry something so it was like it was not like a he was

00:24:32.640 not a wise guy yeah he was an associate yeah and then you saw the part where where uh they they've

00:24:37.440 walked them into the room and it was empty and they shot him in the back joe pesci yeah that's when you

00:24:41.840 know that they got you and it would often be your best friend that they'd walk you in with so

00:24:45.600 yeah uh all right let's get back michael francesi talks about that in an interview by the way yes

00:24:50.720 not long after he left prison giganti learned of a police investigation over his association with

00:24:57.600 known mobsters in 1969 he was indicted for attempting to bribe new jersey police officers

00:25:05.280 allegedly he offered them money in exchange for information about surveillance and ongoing

00:25:10.000 investigations in the genovese family

00:25:12.080 in the genovese family history

00:25:15.920 now at almost 40 years old he returned to his mental disability as a foil and checked himself

00:25:21.760 into a psychiatric hospital for the first time

00:25:27.440 to support his story giganti and his relatives began to revise his medical history

00:25:36.080 while giganti was at lewisburg his mother had been required to fill out a detailed family history

00:25:42.080 she said vincent was a healthy happy child

00:25:46.880 she noted only a speech impediment and a slight heart murmur

00:25:50.720 he had been a boxer but never had a serious injury

00:26:00.080 by the time of the 1969 indictment however giganti's lawyers claimed he was not competent to stand trial

00:26:06.400 his family his family suddenly remembered a host of mental problems he'd been given to severe temper

00:26:12.880 tantrums he had a phobia for the dark he had been truant from school he was at one time obese and had

00:26:20.480 learning problems the incompetency argument worked giganti never stood trial for the 1969 bribery charges

00:26:31.440 wow that same year giganti very smart you can see here that he built up

00:26:38.880 kind of a fake um background a fake i guess mental portfolio that he was crazy and he can't

00:26:46.480 stand trial so what do they do ah you know what man he's just a weirdo

00:26:50.080 these boys veto genovese died of heart failure while serving a prison sentence for narcotics trafficking

00:26:55.760 in the decade that followed the genovese family was so secretive that for law enforcement it was

00:27:02.320 difficult to tell exactly who the boss was even had the fbi been able to identify the genovese family

00:27:10.480 leadership making a case against them was another story witnesses were hard to come by mobsters who

00:27:18.400 violated the sacred oath faced certain death the best the fbi could do was to go after individual

00:27:25.760 crimes there were no laws that focused on bringing down the entire criminal family rico

00:27:33.360 as you can that is until rico came he was moving up in the family the federal government was about to

00:27:38.640 make the fbi's job a little easier in 1970 congress passed the racketeer influences and corrupt

00:27:45.920 organization act and you guys don't understand how influential this was toward targeting organized

00:27:52.080 crime throughout the united states this wasn't just used on the mafia guys this was later used

00:27:57.040 for against terrorists it was used against um like the hezbollah case which i talked about which was the

00:28:01.840 first successful prosecution of a terrorist organization in the united states for material

00:28:06.720 support i covered that episode as well on this pod um really interesting episode it is yeah yeah you

00:28:12.080 know investigations and everything motorcycle gangs uh yeah you really enjoyed that one right yeah

00:28:16.640 yeah it was really good because you you can you guys can see like from people outside let me show you

00:28:21.280 guys that one that one should have got more views man that actually was one of my favorite episodes

00:28:25.200 that i did let me it's really good because from people outside the law enforcement like laws and things

00:28:30.800 like me for example that i don't know anything about american law you can see how um the rico

00:28:37.360 law works you know like how it goes from the beginning of everything is pretty crazy dude we've

00:28:44.880 done so many episodes look at all these um so yeah i mean um so you got obviously courtney clenny die

00:28:51.440 um where is he i think he was alive no was it alive no no no it was a thursday episode let's see here where is

00:28:58.800 it is it no no no no yeah i think it's a live one no no i know it wasn't live because we we definitely

00:29:08.240 pre-recorded it no it's after it's after corny yeah it was let me i'll find it up a little for you

00:29:14.640 i'll go back to this all right do this on the side all right we'll carry on you probably missed it and

00:29:22.400 didn't put it on the on the playlist maybe yeah my maybe as the rico laws what the racketeering

00:29:32.960 law allowed us to do was to look at the family as a criminal enterprise and to attack the family as a

00:29:38.640 criminal act that became much more effective you if you look back from the mid-70s to the 80s

00:29:46.000 in terms of actually indicting the entire family in the entire hierarchy of that family

00:29:53.040 the rico laws require that the government prove that mafia families are essentially

00:29:57.440 criminal enterprises they must show that the crimes committed by the boss and members of his family

00:30:04.080 here's the video guys uh right here it's um if you go back to it um first errors of prosecution in

00:30:12.160 the u.s operation um smokescreen hezbollah takedown this one was really interesting um

00:30:18.720 and yeah guys i really enjoyed doing this one and i think you guys really enjoy watching if you get the

00:30:22.960 chance but it was the first successful prosecution of uh for material support in the united states back

00:30:29.280 in the 90s really good video uh and they talk about the cigarette smuggling in in this this is a

00:30:34.160 case that would actually successfully prosecuted these guys for cigarette smuggling so yeah if you guys

00:30:39.200 are bored and want to check this out and i got to check this check this i don't think it's in the

00:30:42.160 right playlist so if you're not bored too check it out it's really good the documentary is pretty good

00:30:47.120 it's from declassified yes you know we need to do some more i mean we'll probably get back to

00:30:51.200 declassified after this mafia stuff yeah okay after we do this mafia stuff guys we're gonna do golden

00:30:56.720 state killer i got that one at the top of the list because everyone's been asking for that one

00:30:59.840 we should do the menendez brothers we'll do that one too uh we'll we'll research that one because

00:31:04.960 i haven't heard about that that one so i guess we'll research that one you do need to it's crazy

00:31:09.280 we do need to do that one yeah cool and then the canadian serial killer pinkerton or whatever they

00:31:14.080 ask about him a lot too committed to either expand the criminal enterprise or to increase a family

00:31:19.520 member's position within that enterprise to successfully bring down a family the government

00:31:28.160 has to prove that any one of several criminal acts ranging from racketeering and extortion to murder

00:31:34.080 okay i know why i dropped it on a sunday when i wasn't in town that's why even though it was a

00:31:38.960 pre-recorded video that's why i just put it on thursday playlist too my bad guys has been committed

00:31:47.600 by 1979 now armed with federal legislation aimed directly at organized crime

00:31:53.200 the fbi had devoted teams to exclusively focus investigations on the five major families

00:31:59.840 the fbi's genovese squad finally learned that vincent giganti was on a fast track with the family

00:32:06.080 fyi guys when fbi was at the height of going after the mafia in the late 70s 80s they had one squad

00:32:14.160 working on each family what that basically means is guys an fbi squad is a team of agents okay it's

00:32:20.400 what we would call when i worked at hsi a group so you have a supervisory special agent right i'll break

00:32:25.120 it down for y'all how the fbi doesn't i'll break it down for you guys how hsi does it but it's literally

00:32:29.040 uh the same exact thing just with different terms so you have a supervisory special agent who is a gs14

00:32:36.160 okay he supervises that group he's not doesn't carry cases he's not a case agent he just supervises

00:32:40.880 he's basically the middleman between upper management and his agents that are on the ground

00:32:45.120 then under him he has somewhere between seven to ten guys that are agents task force officers etc that work

00:32:52.720 underneath him that um basically you know they submit the reports to him he signs them

00:32:56.960 gives it back uh he approves them he approves paperwork that needs to go up and down the chain

00:33:01.040 if uh you know someone wants to put in for leave or someone wants to go uh take a trip or needs funding

00:33:05.360 for a case whatever the supervisor right is the conduit between you and upper management now give you a

00:33:11.920 little tip right here the difference between a good supervisor and a bad supervisor okay well before i get

00:33:18.720 into that hsi how they do it is it's called a group supervisor and then underneath him is every

00:33:23.360 special agent right so we don't call it supervisory special agent or ssa like the fbi does but it's the

00:33:28.560 same exact thing a group supervisor is a gs14 just like the fbi ssa is a 14 and then you got special

00:33:34.320 agents underneath him and ssa has special agents underneath him it's just semantics at that point

00:33:38.960 but the difference between a good supervisor guys and a bad supervisor is a good supervisor works for his

00:33:46.080 agents a bad supervisors make a bad supervisor makes his agents work for him i'll give you guys

00:33:52.080 an example of what i mean by this um so a good supervisor for example let's say you got a big

00:33:57.360 case for example i had a big drug case back in the day and i was doing title threes i was doing all this

00:34:01.680 a good supervisor will literally go to the assistant special agent in charge's office the sac whatever

00:34:08.080 and fight for your case and say we need funding this is what we're doing i need 50 000 for this wiretap

00:34:13.600 i need more agents from other groups to help out he is basically making sure that you as the case

00:34:19.120 agent get what you need to run your investigation properly and have the resources doing complex

00:34:23.360 cases guys is very difficult and it requires a lot of manpower you need someone to back you from

00:34:28.720 management that can get you the funding and support that you need because as the case agent your job is

00:34:33.760 to direct the case get the reports ready for the a usa direct the guys on the ground put them where you

00:34:38.720 need them to be for surveillance um you're debriefing informants you're getting funding you're doing all

00:34:44.320 this stuff you're writing up memos whatever so a good supervisor will help you do all that stuff

00:34:48.320 hell good supervisors will help you write up your memorandums for funding okay now here's a bad

00:34:53.840 supervisor a bad supervisor will sit there and nickel and dime you on everything as far as like hey you came

00:35:00.320 in late hey what's going on where were you what are you doing right now blah blah blah asking you where

00:35:04.800 you're at all the time well that's also they do that if the agent isn't doing shit right when i was

00:35:08.400 an agent no one ever asked me where i was because they always know i was working right i'd be up at

00:35:12.640 two o'clock in the morning typing on my laptop whatever uploading reports so no one ever bothered

00:35:16.400 me about where i was right i'd come into the office at two three in the afternoon sometimes but i was

00:35:20.720 always working and i always could i was always writing reports the number one thing to show that you're

00:35:24.480 working as an agent is are you uploading rois which we call them reports investigation hsi uh

00:35:30.080 fbi calls on 302s dea calls on dea sixes but you guys get the point it's a report of investigation

00:35:35.280 to document you interviewing suspects talking informants uh doing surveillance uh going to

00:35:41.680 uh i wouldn't say meeting what a usa is that's that's that's kind of lame but getting an indictment

00:35:45.600 getting a conviction uh you know interviewing witnesses all that shit is there you just document

00:35:50.320 everything phone analysis all that crap right so a bad supervisor is going to give you a pain in the

00:35:55.920 ass and make your job harder to get shit done or give you a bunch of red tape

00:36:00.000 right i remember i had a one really good supervisor i would literally go into office

00:36:04.080 and i say yo this is what i'm trying to do like what can we do instead of him saying no he would

00:36:08.480 find a way to say yes let's make this shit happen because he believed in me and believed in the

00:36:11.920 case i was doing we did some great cases but that is difference guys between a good supervisor and

00:36:16.000 a bad supervisor a good supervisor works for his agents a bad supervisor where the agents work for

00:36:22.480 him and he works against his agents hope y'all enjoyed that man you ain't gonna get a breakdown

00:36:27.600 like that and the reason why is because there's no one else on internet that's done criminal cases

00:36:34.560 at a federal level that has a youtube channel there's no one i've seen people kind of yap or

00:36:39.120 whatever but they they haven't really done cases special agent richard rudolph had been assigned to

00:36:45.040 investigate the genovese crime family through uh informants and other law enforcement agencies

00:36:51.760 were exchanging information we became so great this guy that you guys are listening to talk this

00:36:56.720 why i love this documentary so much this guy is more than likely probably the case agent on the

00:37:01.280 genovese crime family which means he had the squad working with him helping him out and he was the main

00:37:06.880 guy or the point man in the investigation you know filling in the a usa's office controlling the

00:37:11.840 informants etc i'm aware that mr giganti was a individual uh which with much respect in the genovese crime

00:37:20.240 family and operated out of an area in lower manhattan um because he was a uh an up and coming

00:37:27.200 person uh with a lot of respect within the family we began to do some surveillances of mr giganti

00:37:34.880 with the fbi continuing to build its arsenal against organized crime giganti's cat and mouse game

00:37:40.960 intensified he stepped up his public show of mental disorder in the late 70s and into the 80s he was

00:37:48.400 admitted five more times for psychiatric treatment the fbi continued to keep tabs on giganti agents

00:37:59.280 learned that he frequented the triangle social club a gathering place for genovese crime figures

00:38:06.800 he could be found there almost on a daily basis he lived in it in the neighborhood um he was in it

00:38:12.880 and this is something very common guys a lot these organized uh crime guys in the mafia they all had

00:38:17.360 certain spots that they would be at where they felt safe and they can talk why because obviously when

00:38:21.680 you're a boss you got a target on your head an individual that could be found there um in the

00:38:28.320 late afternoons and into the early hours of the morning and people would come to see him as opposed to

00:38:34.400 him going to see other people though giganti's association in the genovese family seems certain to

00:38:41.120 investigators giganti's family and doctors continuously told investigators that he led a very narrow

00:38:47.680 existence they said his whole world was confined to the block where he lived and the church he attended

00:38:54.240 with his mother he was barely functional at home and could not care for himself they said

00:39:03.040 but with every passing day the fbi and new york police were seeing a very different look at that they got

00:39:08.880 pictures of him meeting with guys on the street looks pretty competent to me doesn't it vinson giganti

00:39:16.640 in the early 1980s the mafia in the northeast went through a particularly tumultuous time with several

00:39:22.560 killings internal disputes within the family resulted in a string of assassinations

00:39:28.800 the fbi suspected giganti was responsible for these gangland executions especially those

00:39:34.480 intended as punishment for breaking casa nostra rules giganti was known to be a traditionalist

00:39:42.240 he wanted the rules obeyed and when they were broken retribution was sure to follow

00:39:47.200 it started with the murder of philadelphia crime boss angelo bruno

00:40:03.600 although bruno's family was well outside new york all families answered to the members of the

00:40:08.960 commission giganti was upset because bruno had been assassinated by his own men in a grab for control of

00:40:16.320 the family a casa nostra rule had been violated no one can kill a boss unless the commission sanctions

00:40:23.760 it and they seldom do it was for obvious reasons because as soon as a boss dies guys what ends up

00:40:31.520 happening is there becomes a tug of war and a battle for that spot and it creates a lot of volatility

00:40:37.760 volatility violence occurs and guess what happens when violence occurs next thing you know now them

00:40:43.600 boys are on you and it brings a lot more attention and the mafia wants to be in the shadows right they

00:40:49.680 you know the code of silence or murder they don't want anyone to see what the they're doing they want

00:40:53.360 to be able to collect their money through their extortion rackets their criminal rackets whatever

00:40:56.800 it is illegal gambling loan sharking whatever it is they want to be able to do that in silence

00:41:00.720 without the police being involved and it's very difficult for them to operate when violence is going

00:41:05.120 on and the police have heat on them there's nothing that will draw an investigation to your door faster

00:41:10.640 than violence and luckily lucky luciano knew this which is why he made sure as soon as the casa

00:41:15.440 miller's war was over okay he made sure to say all right guys it's going to be peace between us

00:41:21.200 we're just going to make money no more wars we're going to have a commission so no one actually has

00:41:25.520 all the power the power is evenly distributed amongst the families you know it's actually one

00:41:28.880 of the smartest things he can do which was a high iq 3d chess move because he knew if he tried to

00:41:33.920 make himself the boss of all bosses like with a guy before him he would have a target on his back

00:41:38.480 and next thing you know forget about it so he was like i don't want that i want to make money

00:41:45.360 they were very very uh delicate with dealing with the police they had like rules uh of like

00:41:53.680 in the code that they had it's like no dealing with anything like related to the police or anything so

00:41:59.360 that's why you heard that on that on the audible thing yeah can you give us like one or two examples

00:42:03.280 like as far as like not well for example what you just mentioned earlier oh violence uh no no no

00:42:09.600 that they were like uh very um i don't know how to say this but like yeah it's kind of like delicate

00:42:16.480 they had like a delicate matter with like narcotics especially drugs because uh and also like other

00:42:24.160 criminal activities uh because they were like high they will make very high

00:42:30.320 uh federal chargers so oh okay so being yes trafficking drugs brought a lot of time

00:42:37.600 with them and it was considered a dirty business and and a lot of snitches too so yeah they were

00:42:42.000 like very respectful of those charges because they will like make like very high federal charges on them

00:42:48.160 yeah so that's why they wouldn't like messing up with the police also like killing police people

00:42:53.840 that kind of shooting out police and shit yeah yeah and not nothing related with the police they didn't

00:42:58.400 want anything related with the police okay yeah well that makes sense because they were notorious for

00:43:02.880 paying them off you know what i mean versus like shooting at them or anything else like that because

00:43:06.560 yeah that's gonna you kill a cop it's over you're gonna basically you're you're asking for

00:43:10.320 them to come after you with every resource they have codes and like stuff that's they have a load of

00:43:15.360 codes so whenever they will talk in the streets or whatever they wouldn't like be framed for it

00:43:22.000 you know what framed oh friend yes they use different yes yes they definitely use terminology you're

00:43:25.920 going to see here when they refer to gigante gigante had a very interesting way to have the people

00:43:30.000 refer to him so they would have mentioned the word mafia was prohibited ah they cannot say mafia

00:43:35.600 because that that for obvious reasons yeah yeah okay uh let's get back to the documentary

00:43:42.560 where the gigante himself launched an investigation into bruno's murder

00:43:56.880 retribution was swift less than a month later tony bananas capa negro identified as one of bruno's

00:44:03.920 assassins was found dead

00:44:05.440 he had been shot 15 times and stabbed in the back his body was stuffed in a trunk and 20 dollar bills

00:44:15.040 were littered around his body a clear message that he was killed for his greed and this would happen

00:44:21.280 often guys where if they whacked the guy that did some bs they'd leave things on him as kind of a um

00:44:28.000 message a message and a warning sign to other would-be um perpetrators not to do this or else this

00:44:33.120 will be your fate this is how godfellas start yes

00:44:40.800 on the same day another body was discovered this time it was fred salerno dead of gunshot wounds

00:44:47.360 dumped in a vacant lot he too had allegedly participated in bruno's murder

00:44:52.480 phil testa had taken angelo bruno's place as boss his reign was short

00:45:04.640 almost a year after bruno's execution testa was blown up entering his own home

00:45:18.880 well that's ballsy blowing dudes man mafia didn't give a back then guys they're out here

00:45:23.840 literally blowing dudes up and that they would never do that today in post 9-11 era

00:45:28.080 another boss killed without the blessing of the commission another avenging act would follow

00:45:41.040 rocco maranucci was next found dead with fireworks stuffed in his mouth

00:45:49.280 a gesture designed to show that he was killed for the way in which he had killed test

00:45:58.080 the house if the casa nostra was to flourish all of its members had to comply with its rules there

00:46:08.160 were no exceptions giganti was believed to have ordered the murder of one of his own crime family

00:46:16.160 members genovese soldier jerry papa had murdered two colombo family members without permission

00:46:21.680 as punishment for his unsanctioned act he was brutal and again you guys are wondering why would

00:46:29.920 you kill someone in your own family for killing someone from another family well guys if you kill

00:46:34.080 someone from another family and it was unsanctioned the commission is going to come down on your entire

00:46:39.280 family so they need to discipline the person from their family because if you with someone from another

00:46:44.000 family lasting the mafia and the commission wants in general is an all-out war so they got to deal with

00:46:50.240 everything in-house they needed to they to have permission yes to kill anybody yep that was another

00:46:56.800 person to another another family from another part family exactly so that's going to cause a bunch of

00:47:02.160 problems for everyone involved and last thing they want is a turf war or some kind of violence and at

00:47:06.640 this point keep in mind guys they know that the fbi is breathing down their neck and watching them

00:47:11.760 shot and killed by members of his own criminal family

00:47:14.800 had giganti become the enforcer remember guys what we said in goodfellas that when they walk you

00:47:23.280 into an empty room to kill you it's typically your best friends that are with you for the northeast

00:47:27.680 casa nostra informers within the mob told federal agents that all of these killings had been ordered

00:47:34.560 by giganti but information given by admitted criminals is always a problem for potential juries

00:47:42.080 criminals will say anything if their cooperation can be traded for a reduced prison sentence

00:47:48.240 the fbi needed more than the words of criminals looking for a deal giganti knew this and he protected

00:47:54.800 himself accordingly yes guys so um co-conspirator testimony is almost never enough you need other

00:48:01.840 evidence that corroborates it so for example let's say i talked to a cooperator and he says yo such and

00:48:08.240 such as selling drugs and i'm like okay well how about you go ahead and go buy drugs from that

00:48:12.320 individual okay he goes and buys the drugs now everything he says concerning this potential

00:48:17.440 person selling drugs is way more credible why because we were able to independently corroborate

00:48:22.880 his information that the other individual is in fact a drug dealer through our own independent

00:48:27.200 investigation which is very important because you can't rely on a crook's testimony to put someone

00:48:32.880 else in jail you can use it in tandem with other pieces of evidence that stand by themselves but

00:48:38.800 crook testimony in itself a lot of the times isn't enough you need other pieces of evidence as well

00:48:43.360 especially in the federal court system

00:48:49.920 it seemed that giganti was now the boss the fbi began a more focused surveillance effort on giganti

00:48:57.040 they learned that the genovese family had also infiltrated several of new york's major industries

00:49:02.480 the garment trade trucking garbage collection airport cargo handling and the city's seafood industry

00:49:12.960 vincent giganti was known on the streets as the chin an abbreviation of chin xeno little vincent

00:49:20.080 fearing fbi surveillance and wiretaps family members were not allowed to speak his name

00:49:25.680 they were to refer to him with hand signals touching their chins to communicate his nickname

00:49:32.800 bringing that's how you know on edge these guys were man down the chin was going to take every bit

00:49:38.800 of know-how that the fbi could muster they were going to have to create their own luck

00:49:48.000 as a surveillance team member watched one day a telling crack in the chin's roost appeared

00:49:52.960 the seemingly frail man was being helped across a busy street

00:50:01.440 when oncoming traffic threatened he became suddenly animated racing to safety

00:50:08.560 catch it his helplessness somehow overtook him again on the other side

00:50:13.680 that's huge

00:50:21.760 clearly there were two gigantes the mentally troubled one displayed to the public

00:50:26.640 and the determined boss of the genovese administration

00:50:32.240 i gotta give it to him this is dedication though yeah you can't you can't find it i don't know any

00:50:37.760 other crooks that went to this extent to show that they're crazy bro the guy would soon learn of a

00:50:42.240 third i think we just did the episode on uh marjorie armstrong from the pizza thing i think this guy

00:50:47.760 got to her beat big time of course she's over here just shaving her eyebrows and telling inmates

00:50:51.840 she's crazy and lying this dude was out here legit walking for hours a day you know shaking and

00:50:57.200 shit gigante's ex-wife and their five children lived in new jersey while he maintained a relationship with

00:51:12.880 his long-standing companion olympia esposito

00:51:18.960 he usually called on her late at night looking quite deaf before he was aware of the surveillance

00:51:24.000 we learned that uh he frequently visited a townhouse which was located up on 77th street and the east

00:51:33.840 side of manhattan where we later learned that um a common law he was living with his common law wife

00:51:41.120 and he had been married previously and this was his second family or this residence

00:51:45.520 soon the fbi knew all of the chin's hangouts this gave surveillance teams an opportunity

00:51:54.160 to observe gigante without his knowledge a major break came when nypd organized crime task force

00:52:01.440 member detective tom bruno was able to snap photos of some of gigante's activities all right real quick

00:52:07.440 so you guys understand because you guys are probably wondering why is the nypd guy what's going on here

00:52:11.680 so in a lot of major cities um and just in general with any field office you're going to have something

00:52:17.120 called task force officers and task force officers a lot of times guys are guys that work under the

00:52:21.840 auspice of a federal agency and get the um the authorities and power that that federal agency has

00:52:28.480 while simultaneously being able to maintain their state credentials and authorities as well so basically

00:52:34.160 they're able to do both things they could pull somebody over in one situation but then go ahead

00:52:38.560 and arrest someone federally on another so they actually have more power if you're going to look

00:52:41.760 at it from i'm an investigative standpoint than a federal agent so these guys are literally critical

00:52:48.960 to organized crime task forces because they can wear many hats you they can you know let's say you

00:52:53.360 need someone that has a canine whatever they can make the calls to local pd that has all these

00:52:57.120 resources because federal agents 99 of the time don't have access to dogs don't have access to

00:53:02.800 helicopters and planes and all this other stuff like the state does dmv records all that stuff it all

00:53:07.920 comes from the state guys so you know this all this mumbo jumper on the movie was like oh the feds are

00:53:12.560 coming in and taking over the case that's a load of fucking man right does it happen sometimes yeah

00:53:18.160 but in general most of the time i'd argue probably 80 to 90 of the time that feds work with state um

00:53:24.320 officers they uh they need them a lot and they respect the authority that they bring and expertise

00:53:30.320 they bring to the table and you guys are going to see here with this guy how he was so valuable

00:53:37.920 in 1984 i was assigned to a joint organized crime task force that task force consisted of fbi agents and

00:53:50.400 new york city police officers detectives and we were assigned to investigate the genefees crime family

00:53:59.600 then the next step was to go to sullivan street where chingiganti lived

00:54:02.880 his apartment was above a pet store alleged pet store and he also had a social club on the block

00:54:11.920 and when you'd go by the social club you'd see numerous people that were in the photos and you'd

00:54:17.760 see them standing in front of going inside and then sometimes crossing the street going to uh the pet store

00:54:24.480 which was where the chin we believe met people uh pet store really never had any kind of uh business

00:54:31.520 that we could see it had a little cat box in the window and basically that was it

00:54:37.840 pet store making no business was still open hmm i wonder what's going on there

00:54:45.440 more and more giganti was seen acting normally when he was unaware he was being watched

00:54:50.240 i see uh chin giganti and i see andrew giganti which is his son come out of his residence and i'm

00:55:01.600 just minding my business walking up the block uh andrew leaves to get in his car and chin is standing

00:55:08.880 on the corner and he wasn't helped out of his building and he was standing on the corner

00:55:13.360 andrew gets in his car pulls out as he pulls out there's a car coming up sullivan street it blows

00:55:19.840 the horn uh chin giganti yells hey what are you in a rush as he does this i come into the lighted area

00:55:28.560 he looks sees me and all of a sudden his head goes down and he plays uh the sick point of course

00:55:35.680 another break followed detective bruno's surveillance successes

00:55:51.920 the fbi managed to rent an apartment close to the townhouse of giganti's companion ms esposito

00:55:57.360 and agent would exit through a back door in the rented apartment building and position himself

00:56:05.120 about 50 feet from ms esposito's townhouse from there ms esposito and giganti could be seen from

00:56:14.080 time to time an agent watched the couple for four months between midnight and 2 a.m

00:56:21.200 assistant u.s attorney andrew weissman who later would have to prove giganti's competency to stand

00:56:26.640 trial was delighted with the agent's observations and lo and behold when he was inside in a place

00:56:36.400 where he didn't think he was being observed he did all of the normal things that any of us would do

00:56:41.600 matter of fact what was unusual about those surveillances was that there was nothing unusual

00:56:46.160 about him he was normal and guys that's going to be critical information for them to show that he

00:56:52.880 is competent to face criminal charges and the person speaking right now is the prosecutor

00:56:56.560 aka the assistant united states attorney that is the equivalent to an ada or assistant district

00:57:00.960 attorney he was talking to people he was counting money he never wore a shoddy bathrobe indeed the

00:57:10.240 only time he was seen in a bathrobe was not surprisingly when he got out of the shower he would wear a nice

00:57:17.520 fluffy brooks brothers type bathrobe which was not at all like the bathrobe that he would wear when he was

00:57:23.440 on the street so it became pretty obvious to the people conducting the surveillance that he was

00:57:31.840 engaging in a concerted effort to give an appearance to the public that was false that was not the way he

00:57:39.120 behaved in real life investigators continue to watch giganti's bizarre public behavior

00:57:47.760 but photos themselves are only a single link improving criminal activity investigators needed hard

00:57:56.480 evidence to corroborate what the photos were suggesting that giganti was in fact the boss

00:58:06.480 one wiretap conversation between genovese crew members gave investigators more proof of giganti's

00:58:12.080 position in the family on the tapes known genovese members were complaining about the chin assistant

00:58:20.560 u.s attorney george stambulitis reviewed these tapes to help prepare a case against giganti

00:58:28.560 he's constantly nitpicking his men trying to always with a million questions drilling them and questioning

00:58:33.600 them on what they're involved in he's always looking to get money from them or money from some of the schemes

00:58:39.040 and how he earned um and how much money he would make from the gambling operations at the triangle social

00:58:45.600 club and things like that while giganti micromanaged the internal affairs of his family the tabloids

00:58:54.480 began calling him the odd father that's actually pretty funny forget about the odd father he would check

00:59:05.520 himself into a hospital once a year for what his colleagues in the mafia sarcastically referred to

00:59:11.280 as tune-ups so that he would have a paper trail showing that he had some or giving the impression that

00:59:18.480 he had something that goes to show guys how dedicated these guys were man the literally tune-ups is what

00:59:24.000 they called it a mental condition and with the assistance of people around him and people in his family

00:59:30.400 he was able to cultivate this paper trail giving the impression to anyone who looked at the cold

00:59:35.600 medical records that here's someone who year in year out was being treated for some form of mental illness

00:59:45.840 giganti knew how to protect himself both publicly and privately

00:59:53.440 mr giganti was very clever in how he conducted business

00:59:58.080 and um he limited his contacts with uh with members of the family uh if there were messages or uh

01:00:05.920 or items to be discussed regarding illegal activities conducted by the genovese family

01:00:10.320 there would be messages passed on to people immediately surrounding him access to him was very limited

01:00:16.400 if the other family wanted to meet with him more than likely they would have to send a message

01:00:20.880 giganti avoided the normal sit-downs or more formal meetings held regularly by other family bosses

01:00:29.360 he would take meetings when businesses demanded his attention

01:00:34.480 he and his visitors would stroll the sidewalks through the neighborhood

01:00:39.280 john gotty was also famous for doing this they call it a walk and talk since they knew that the

01:00:43.120 fbi was looking at them and places might be bugged they would often take improv walks and discuss

01:00:48.640 business during that surveillance wiretaps would not pick up any incriminating conversations

01:01:00.240 the always careful giganti also suspected ms esposito's phone was tapped and it was

01:01:05.760 he never taught business on the phone he would simply use a payphone or make arrangements to talk

01:01:15.280 elsewhere the fbi would not be able to use the chin's own words to make a case against him

01:01:25.680 other mobsters were not as smart sophisticated bugging operations were allowing the fbi to capture a

01:01:38.080 multitude of other mob business on tape in early 1985 the justice department was bearing down hard on

01:01:46.480 the number of hot rudy julian and his gang high level organized crime figures most were being charged

01:01:52.480 under the rico act though rico had been around since the early 70s it was only now receiving its first real test

01:02:03.200 two of giganti's men had gotten wind that the bosses of the gambino and lucchese families would soon be

01:02:08.400 arrested they wondered if the chin was vulnerable

01:02:15.840 one commented that if he gets pinched all those years in the asylum would be for nothing

01:02:22.480 on february more critical evidence that comes to run wiretaps 19th the arrests of several crime

01:02:29.440 family bosses were made the next day vincent giganti checked himself into the hospital and stayed a

01:02:35.520 week he had of course of course he checked himself into the hospital right after all his counterparts

01:02:42.320 were arrested by the fbi successfully avoided the indictment against the new york bosses

01:02:47.360 among those arrested was paul castellano head of the gambino crime family who would later be killed

01:02:55.280 by john goddy um after being indicted so and make sure to go check out that episode on john goddy and

01:03:01.200 um the gambino family if you guys want to get more insight into that prosecutors never brought him to

01:03:07.920 trial he was killed before they had the chance

01:03:10.720 by casa nostra standards the unsanctioned murders of gambino boss paul castellano and his underboss tommy

01:03:19.360 bellotti were unpardonable and everybody knows john goddy did it

01:03:28.160 although john goddy a captain in the gambino family acted shock there he is with sammy the bull

01:03:33.520 locked in castellano which i'll work on getting him on the show for y'all as well i know he has

01:03:37.520 a youtube as well so yeah we'll make we'll make that happen to you guys death it was widely believed

01:03:42.880 that he was responsible within two weeks of the murders goddy had publicly taken over as boss

01:03:53.280 vincent giganti issued a subtle warning to god without mentioning names he told goddy that the murderer

01:03:59.280 would have to pay it took two years but in 1987 giganti acted to avenge the murder of his friend and

01:04:07.200 partner in mob business through his counselor bobby manna and some lucchese family members giganti

01:04:14.560 plotted to have got he killed the planning session at a new jersey restaurant was bugged and because it

01:04:21.200 was the fbi saved john goddy's life and i think we actually made a mention of this in the

01:04:29.200 last episode as well where they got wind of this and they just had to make an arrest immediately

01:04:33.440 and kind of put their case against john goddy on hold because here's the thing guys if you're

01:04:37.440 doing wiretaps and you get information that someone's life is an imminent danger you must act

01:04:42.240 right of course you don't have to disclose how you know or why you're acting right you could just make

01:04:46.400 it look like hey we're arresting you on this charge or whatever blah blah blah but behind the scenes

01:04:51.440 you know you really arrested him because you got a threat on his life so you have to act when something like

01:04:57.280 that happens which i mean nowadays you have to notify that there was a throughout in their life

01:05:02.560 but i don't know if back then you had to notify there was a threat in their life i think all you

01:05:05.680 have to do is just get them out of the situation and let's say they make bond or whatever then at

01:05:09.680 that point you probably got to disclose it if agents intercept information of a murder plot

01:05:18.560 they are required by law to try to prevent the killing so damn how did i know bro

01:05:26.880 i haven't seen this episode in years but i already know guys why because i actually did

01:05:30.640 wiretaps when i was an agent so this is all you know second nature for me man based on the tape

01:05:36.560 agents warned gotti acting on the fbi warning john gotti changed his plans on the day the murder was

01:05:44.640 okay so they didn't have enough to arrest them so what they had to do was notify him now if they

01:05:48.880 did have something to actually grab them on they would have grabbed them on that right some bit

01:05:52.640 typically some charge and not have to disclose it but since they didn't have anything or it would

01:05:57.200 jeopardize their investigation to a degree they decided to notify him instead to take place

01:06:03.040 because he was not where he was expected the murder plot failed

01:06:06.240 giganti however did not give up he asked vick amuso acting boss of the lucchese family to supervise

01:06:17.040 another hit it was up to amuso and his men to work out the details and that was to have amuso reach

01:06:26.480 out to al diarco one of his trusted men just as manna was one of giganti's trusted men and have diarco use

01:06:33.680 his contacts uh in other parts of the country to acquire a remote controlled bomb

01:06:40.880 bigotti was arrested and imprisoned before the second plot could be carried out

01:06:45.680 he died of cancer while serving a life sentence for racketeering involving extortion and murder

01:06:51.840 including castellanos meanwhile the fbi had chinsmen on tape conspiring the murder

01:06:58.480 as the fbi's investigation into genovese family operations continued information about a corrupt

01:07:06.640 construction scheme was coming to light they learned that for years much of the genovese family income

01:07:12.960 came from one segment of the construction industry the window business the family had managed to keep

01:07:19.600 its hold on window replacement jobs for all of new york city's public housing projects

01:07:26.240 we learned big money maker and this is another example of the mafia getting in to legitimate

01:07:30.720 businesses and labor unions to get a cut they're all business like small businesses yeah you know

01:07:36.800 well the mafia was smart they knew like and this is why they prioritize gambling you know loan

01:07:42.640 sharking like at face value these crimes are right like yeah if you get charged with

01:07:47.120 loan sharking or i mean extortion probably has the most time but they weren't like beating people

01:07:51.520 down every day but gambling cigarettes smuggling this type of if you get caught for it you're not

01:07:57.040 going to really you know do that much time which is what the mafia love because they were lucrative

01:08:01.440 while simultaneously also being low risk unlike drugs or murder etc the mafia typically only murdered

01:08:07.440 when they needed to to prove a point but other than that they weren't running around just killing

01:08:11.920 random civilians it was typically for power with some kind of purpose within the organization

01:08:15.680 at that time there was a an enormous amount of money being put into refurbishing some of the new

01:08:22.800 york city housing authority windows there was a an energy crisis underway and the timing of this was ideal

01:08:29.520 for the organized crime people become more active in it what we learned was that the genovese family

01:08:37.120 and along with two or three other families were becoming involved in companies that were bidding and

01:08:43.280 installing the windows in some of these housing projects from the late 1970s up until the late

01:08:51.520 1980s there was approximately 190 million dollars worth of contracts given out by the city of new york

01:08:58.400 for the window replacement industry

01:09:02.480 it was classic mob business and a textbook example of racketeering

01:09:06.720 the mafia took over an industry to the exclusion of legitimate businesses

01:09:14.320 union officials were corrupted in this case iron workers local 580. bids were rigged and companies

01:09:21.360 or workers trying to play by the rules lost out

01:09:26.320 for years the lucasian genovese families operated their construction schemes really smart scheme man really

01:09:32.080 really really smart autonomously by the early 80s they realized that a partnership would be much more profitable

01:09:42.160 by this time the lucchese family had a firm hold on local 580

01:09:46.160 and the genovese family had corrupted several contractors they cooperated because it meant more business

01:09:52.480 by using the local 580 as a tool they were able to exclude several uh contractors from coming in and

01:10:03.200 bidding on some of these projects and in essence created a somewhat of a monopoly for themselves

01:10:11.040 on nearly all city housing authority work and on much of the new construction for the city the genovese

01:10:16.960 contractors and installers paid two dollars a window a dollar went to the lucchese family 25 cents to

01:10:23.840 the collector and 75 cents to the boss for the family's role in handling the union

01:10:31.280 the other dollar went to the crooked union officials who looked the other way as jobs went to non-union workers

01:10:40.240 refusal to cooperate often carried a penalty of violence

01:10:43.840 in the late 80s a carpenter's union delegate had both of his legs broken by genovese men for refusing to

01:10:49.440 cooperate though he maintained that he was unable to get a good look at his attackers

01:10:57.920 and in 1992 a delegate from local 580 was shot and killed coming out of his house on long island

01:11:04.160 over a disagreement with his costa-nostra contracts

01:11:07.040 the lucchese and genovese family arrangement was working very smoothly that is until peter savino was

01:11:19.120 persuaded to wear a wire savino was a genovese soldier and point man for the window racket

01:11:27.680 we built a case on him a murder case on him and it was sufficiently compelling

01:11:31.760 that he realized like many of these people that he didn't want to die in jail so what he do he

01:11:36.640 decided to cooperate and for an 18-month period made tape recordings of people in the genovese family

01:11:42.480 and people in the lucchese family operating this scheme oh man should somebody get real now

01:11:50.400 vincent giganti didn't realize peter savino was turning on him he was happy with savino's work

01:12:02.160 and satisfied with the window scheme's progression

01:12:06.640 and guys you typically don't suspect the guys that are earning the most money for you so this guy was

01:12:12.000 under the perfect guys to be in a situation to assist the government

01:12:21.360 savino kept track of the money he managed the contracts he supervised the bids

01:12:30.720 he arranged the payoffs

01:12:32.000 the boss was happy but some genovese family members began to suspect savino

01:12:48.320 when bodies were found in the basement of a building he owned

01:12:51.440 genovese members were surprised that he was never seriously investigated by law enforcement

01:12:56.240 that's how much are your people got some you know alarm bells going off right now

01:13:05.360 as a result of that people speculated well savino wasn't arrested yet these bodies were found in a

01:13:10.400 building that's tied to him maybe he's cooperating but nobody was really sure

01:13:16.880 savino was a cash cow for vincent giganti he was bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars for

01:13:22.800 the genovese family every month so when you don't want to say i'm right again but pretty much lose my

01:13:28.080 point from before and he was told i haven't seen this episode in years by the way guys just so y'all

01:13:33.360 know so again this just comes from doing these podcasts and knowing how the mafia moves

01:13:38.560 savino's betrayal he chose not to believe it and initially refused to order him killed

01:13:44.880 savino continued to wear the wire trying to get other family members to acknowledge chin and his

01:13:50.240 position as boss of the family giganti's troops however could never be persuaded to break the

01:13:56.880 boss's rule about not mentioning his name remember uniseal vincent had said when it came time okay

01:14:08.320 he had said to go out and bid to work

01:14:11.280 it was don't mention that name how can you talk like that that was pretty damning proof um even

01:14:21.040 though it's yup gotcha bitch didn't give you a specific crime it told you that this was a man to

01:14:25.840 be feared it was hardly somebody who was incompetent

01:14:30.880 shortly thereafter it came to giganti's attention that savino was in fact cooperating

01:14:36.800 furious at this betrayal giganti ordered the murder of peter savino

01:14:45.680 by that time the fbi had relocated savino well out of genovese family reach

01:14:50.880 but not before he supplied agents with thousands of hours of taped conversations

01:14:57.760 mr savino was also um in a position to provide us with the historical aspects of how the scheme

01:15:04.080 developed his relationship with uh the leaders of both the lucchese and genovese crime family

01:15:09.840 and what their participation was in this thing mr savino also was able to uh tell us how the various

01:15:17.280 members of all of these families interacted with local 580 which was used again as the tool to make

01:15:23.680 the scheme work

01:15:26.880 the fbi was successfully employing the rico laws to bring down new york's most powerful bosses

01:15:32.880 as a result high-ranking family members saw that their only way to avoid long prison terms was to

01:15:38.160 cooperate

01:15:41.600 among them were gambino family underboss salvator sammy the bull gravano

01:15:50.400 giganti was finally arrested and charged under the rico laws with ordering six people murdered

01:15:55.280 conspiring to kill three others and at least 24 counts of racketeering oh in short giganti was

01:16:06.880 charged with being the boss of the genovese crime family but giganti still had his mental illness

01:16:13.520 history walks on that robe looking all crazy all back on

01:16:19.440 mr giganti was indicted in may of 1990 and the second indictment was filed against him in june of

01:16:24.240 1993. mr the case against mr giganti was unusual that it spanned uh several years before it actually

01:16:31.360 went to trial uh he eventually went to trial in june of 1997. during that period of time the issue was

01:16:37.600 that was before the courts was that whether he was competent to stand trial or not that issue was

01:16:43.520 finally resolved in um in 1996. seven years after his arrest a federal district judge declared vincent

01:16:53.760 giganti competent to stand trial damn here we go man fatality all that time trying to prove that

01:17:01.280 you're crazy and the judge still rules that you're sane enough to stand trial man which is the whole

01:17:05.760 purpose why he had that persona vincent the chin giganti was 69 years old when a jury convicted him

01:17:16.000 of conspiring to kill three mafia figures including gaudi and savino he was also found guilty of extortion

01:17:22.800 and union payoff conspiracies in the window replacement scheme

01:17:28.880 but jurors failed to convict him on charges of directly ordering six murders

01:17:36.560 now that giganti was convicted his defense lawyers argued that he was not fit to be sentenced

01:17:42.000 they claimed he was too old too free gotta try again man

01:17:46.000 and too mentally incompetent to understand the punishment

01:17:55.120 while awaiting sentencing giganti was confined to a prison hospital and examined by several doctors

01:18:00.400 doctors giganti was given several pet scans a procedure that uses a radioactive tracer to measure brain chemistry

01:18:12.720 a 1991 scan first read as normal was later found to be too flawed to use in diagnosis

01:18:18.880 the 1993 scan did show some abnormalities

01:18:26.640 but at least one expert dr jonathan brody judged these abnormalities as not consistent with dementia

01:18:36.560 dr brody is an attending psychiatrist at new york's bellevue hospital and a professor at new york

01:18:41.680 university's school of medicine he also conducts research on schizophrenia mr giganti at the time of

01:18:49.680 the scan was purportedly taking medication that affects the brain and because it affects the brain

01:18:57.520 it affects brain chemistry and brain chemistry is what a pet scan is all about

01:19:02.400 uh giganti was taking an antipsychotic medication and antidepressants a low potency tranquilizer and sleeping pills

01:19:16.400 so dr brody was skeptical about the pet scan but had yet to examine the patient

01:19:21.280 and when the three of us entered the the observation room the examining room where he was then uh brought

01:19:32.320 i i was struck at first by his appearance which i said made me think oh my god

01:19:41.120 he really is sick that that i've missed the boat he's really very sick he came in wearing a bathrobe

01:19:49.200 he was shuffling he was mumbling he was uh making allusions to god

01:19:57.440 but as the examination progressed some of giganti's actions began to raise doubts

01:20:07.040 but one of the things that really struck me was uh that i didn't note at the time but i noted a few

01:20:12.160 seconds later was when i put out my hand for him to shake it he didn't shake it and that's a

01:20:19.040 very automatic behavior you put your your hand down your worst enemy can put his hand out to you and

01:20:25.600 you tend to take it when giganti was asked the names of his children he didn't know when he was asked

01:20:34.400 where he lived he didn't know and yet these are things that people tend not to forget you know the

01:20:44.320 brain in a dementia tends to work on the process of accounting the last in first out so recent memory

01:20:50.480 tends to be lost but that's why people who are very demented can often remember very well events from

01:20:56.320 long ago even if they can't remember recent events well he was not consistent on that indeed he was asked

01:21:03.840 the question about who the president of the united states was which is a standard question on a

01:21:08.480 psychiatric mental status evaluation and he scratched his head and he looked perplexed and he said um

01:21:16.000 i should know that i really i should know that answer al acting it's in there somewhere he was

01:21:23.920 all about um faking it and some more questions making it so you make it man yeah this is a perfect

01:21:28.880 example of when acting definitely gets you denied i really should know that and then finally he said

01:21:39.040 bush george bush

01:21:43.680 and i sat there and thought oh he remembered the question what was striking was not that the answer

01:21:52.960 was incorrect what was striking was that the question was remembered despite all of the

01:21:58.560 interfering questions he asked a bunch of questions and he remembered one of them in that exchange

01:22:07.360 which set it off that this dude isn't crazy like he claimed he remembered a small detail that should

01:22:13.680 have been over gloss given his condition right with air quotes and there were other red flags he seemed to

01:22:21.680 to understand abstract concepts dr brody asked giganti if he was proud of his children

01:22:30.640 now pride is really quite an abstract notion

01:22:34.800 and his response was yes they're all working legitimate jobs

01:22:43.040 legitimacy well that wasn't even a question

01:22:45.280 legitimate implies yet something else that he was able to abstract from the question some intent as

01:22:52.640 to what the question was involved with and awareness of a distinction between legitimacy and illegitimacy

01:23:00.800 and here was a man who didn't know what month it was he didn't know if he was in a hospital

01:23:06.800 i'll let you leave

01:23:12.880 i'll let you do of course

01:23:16.000 these and other inconsistencies contributed to dr brody's conclusion that giganti did not suffer from

01:23:21.520 progressive dementia vascular dementia or schizophrenia

01:23:24.800 guards assigned to watch giganti during his pre-sentencing hospitalization also found his behavior in

01:23:34.480 morning they testified that he was active around his prison hospital cell and polite to the hospital

01:23:41.280 staff he did not need help to shout to groom himself or to feed himself

01:23:47.840 the lawyers more red flags all put in affidavits that they couldn't communicate with vincent giganti at

01:23:54.080 all well when he was in jail he managed to speak with the prison counselors when you sort of talk to the

01:24:01.440 sort of low level people in jail who have to take care of inmates on a day-to-day basis it turns out

01:24:07.280 he knew exactly that what had happened he knew he'd been on trial he knew that gravano had testified

01:24:12.160 against him and didn't have very nice things to say about him he knew that his sentencing was upcoming

01:24:16.480 he knew what the issue was before judge weinstein as to that he had to decide that he was competent to

01:24:20.960 be sentenced it was completely at odds with what his lawyers were telling judge weinstein

01:24:29.840 some psychiatrists thought giganti really was incompetent others thought he was faking

01:24:36.320 five months and dozens of tests later the judge ruled

01:24:42.640 the judge said in short the defendant's cognitive and emotional capacity and his communication skills are

01:24:49.680 equivalent to other 69 year old defendants with limited education no hallucinations interfere with

01:24:56.480 his abilities to participate in sentencing boom boom my god yeah bro he understands the fundamentals of

01:25:04.560 criminal substantive law and procedure he's deliberately feigning mental illness to avoid punishment which he

01:25:10.560 fears

01:25:14.080 defendant is competent to be sentenced and to serve an appropriate term in prison

01:25:19.360 there you go

01:25:23.440 described efforts of the fbi and prosecutors as historic and courageous

01:25:30.320 this has been a battle that that certainly i've been involved with for the last 20 years and certainly

01:25:35.680 i think agents that will continue that on over the next five or six years if the effort could be

01:25:40.240 sustained and the resources maintained you know i think we're on the verge of really reducing the

01:25:45.680 effects and the impact of the cause of nostril

01:25:48.320 yep he definitely was right about that because you know 20 30 years later now that we're in 2023 the mafia

01:25:54.800 it's kind of it's a former shell of itself man do they still exist absolutely but they don't have the same

01:25:58.960 power that they did back in the 70s and 80s and well and of course the 20s and onward to be sure the

01:26:07.440 government's legal victory in the giganti case was partially the jury after all failed to convict him of

01:26:13.360 the six murder charges he was originally sentenced to 12 years in 2003 he pleaded guilty to obstruction of

01:26:21.680 justice and earned three more years finally admitting in court that he had been faking insanity

01:26:28.080 the entire time bam and that right there guys is the genovese crime family uh you know highlighting

01:26:37.120 the crazy don aka the odd father um gigante but angie what's your uh final thoughts on this before

01:26:43.840 we close out i think that was a clever man yeah although not that clever because he didn't make it

01:26:49.680 but that's dedication it's crazy yeah if the fbi had not had him on like 24-hour surveillance like

01:26:55.440 that they wouldn't have been able to figure that out so surveillance was really critical in that case

01:27:00.400 which led to the wiretaps etc but um guys hope you enjoyed that episode man i'm gonna catch you guys

01:27:05.680 on next one don't forget to like the video subscribe to the channel if you haven't already check me out

01:27:08.800 on fitted.1811 uh to get a hold of angie if you want to she's going to be more active on there

01:27:14.560 uh so yeah we'll see on there and uh she'll be watching the lives with you guys or excuse me the

01:27:18.400 premieres so if you have any questions always hit her up and she'll relay on back to me or cases

01:27:21.760 y'all want to see yes she has a running list and uh yes we'll catch y'all uh like the video by the

01:27:27.680 way don't be a ninja watcher later guys i was a special agent with homelands investigations okay guys

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - May 15, 2023

Fed Explains Genovese Family & Crazy Don Vince Gigante

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