The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Fed Explains Murdaugh Murder Case STEP BY STEP w⧸Time Stamps! (Most Organized Breakdown)

00:00:00.000 and we are live what's up guys welcome to fed it i am back man i'm here with a special guest

00:00:06.820 well not really that special you guys are used to her at this point but today we're going to be

00:00:10.140 covering the murdoch murders guys i know you guys been waiting for this one for a long time

00:00:13.440 you guys been asking for it for a long time so let's get into it i was a special agent with

00:00:19.860 homelands investigations okay guys hsi the cases that i did mostly were human smuggling and drug

00:00:26.020 no one else has these documents by the way here's what fed it covered dr lafredo confirmed

00:00:32.760 lacerations due to stepping on glass murder investigations i'm reaching in his jacket

00:00:39.420 you don't know and he's positioning been on february 13 2019 you're facing two counts of

00:00:44.580 two meditative murder racketeering and rico conspiracies young slime life here and after

00:00:49.420 referred to as ysl the defendants uh six nine and then this is billy seiko right here now when they

00:00:54.660 first started guys six nine ran i'm upset i'm watching this music video you know i'm bobbing

00:00:59.900 my head like hey this shit lit but at the same time i'm pausing oh wait who this right who's that in

00:01:04.900 the back firearms and violent a.k.a push ic violated you're wanting to stay away from the victim

00:01:11.200 rapper push ic arrested after shooting at king diamond miami strip club injured one person this is the one

00:01:15.920 that that's gonna fuck him up because this gun is not tracing well it happened at the gun range here's

00:01:20.160 boy 42 doug right here on the left okay sex trafficking and sex crimes they can effectively

00:01:25.040 link him to paying an underage girl i'm gonna look like 51 right right and the first bomb went off

00:01:30.600 right here suspect to set down a backpack on the site of the second explosion inspired by al-qaeda

00:01:36.440 two terrorists brothers the zokar sarnev and tamarland sarnev when the cartel shipped drugs into the

00:01:43.060 country this guy got arrested for um espionage okay trading secrets with the russians for monetary

00:01:48.720 compensation the largest corrupt police bust in new orleans history so he was in this bad boy

00:01:57.340 we're gonna go over his past the gang time so that this all makes sense

00:02:01.720 all right we are back guys first live show in a while man

00:02:11.240 okay i see you guys in the chat saying uh stop giving a sudanese stick blah blah blah guys uh you

00:02:17.980 gotta understand that angie works right before the show so she came a little bit later than expected

00:02:22.960 so we started to gather our stuff and make sure everything was you know good to go but yeah uh you

00:02:27.480 know hey you know what angie to introduce yourself to the people for those that may be new hi guys um

00:02:32.960 yeah my name is angelica but most of you can't pronounce it well so yeah it's angie for you all and i'll be

00:02:40.200 helping my away cases um until he says like yeah get the fuck out of here and put your shoes out

00:02:46.060 outside basically so um yeah i mean it's been a while it's been a week since he left from uh to dubai

00:02:54.320 you know he's here it's been almost two weeks right since we filmed last time yeah oh yeah well

00:02:59.660 because we filmed a bunch of content for them but before i left yes i think this is so we had like

00:03:05.040 the hezbollah and the terrorism what is a group yeah terrorist group yeah first terror uh the first

00:03:13.440 successful prosecution united states for a terrorism case we also had the bmf highly requested for you

00:03:19.900 guys yes finally we made it yeah seriously that one that one uh took a while to find because the

00:03:25.820 documentary on that one guys took a while so we had to find it in hd because the ones that were on

00:03:30.340 youtube were trash but shout out yeah to the supporter that sent it to me in hd so that we were

00:03:34.140 able to react to it um i really thought that documentary was good i remember watching it like

00:03:38.000 10 years ago and i was like man the audience is gonna love that one yeah um but i didn't want it to

00:03:41.920 do the 50 same one because it's brand new and maybe i mean oh yeah we would get a copyright

00:03:47.220 immediately yeah if we tried to do that and it's more like entertainment it's not as factually

00:03:51.560 basis the documentary is so yeah also um shout out to every of you this is the thing though you

00:03:58.660 drop the bms first and then you drop hezbollah and in the hezbollah video because this was pre-recorded

00:04:05.360 oh yeah you were asking for the bmf yeah so they got confused so loads of people were like

00:04:10.100 sending like offering to send it to you which was like well i appreciate that guys thank you so much

00:04:16.340 but yeah we we dropped the bmf one first because um because you guys were asking for it

00:04:21.560 that you guys wanted the bmf one bad so i said you know what let me drop that one first and we'll do

00:04:25.100 the hezbollah one after so yeah so yeah thank you guys for like your support and everything uh thank

00:04:31.940 for everyone that is has been sending me like requests on instagram i got a lot of people like

00:04:38.200 seriously guys i separated already like youtube requests in my list and like instagram requests

00:04:44.040 on another list so i have now two lists that we we basically need to cover and i have

00:04:51.380 of course highlighted the ones that are like the most what are the most what are the most

00:04:55.680 requests yeah i can mention them right now i didn't even see that list holy okay yes i told you i told

00:04:59.700 you it's long i wanted you to tell me which ones you have done already but um so far i have uh brian

00:05:04.480 coberger that you already did okay yeah i did i did the coberger case guys if you guys want i go into

00:05:10.100 detail on that one too so go check that one out so yeah guys um i advise you to check the whole channel

00:05:15.080 um so to see if like the cases that you want to we want us to cover it they are not already there

00:05:20.940 because mario has covered many cases already so yeah do that and yeah but like the most requested

00:05:27.400 ones right now are the atlanta child murders i told you there is a documentary on what the what

00:05:31.940 child atlanta child murders atlanta child murders okay that's a new one i haven't heard that one okay

00:05:36.980 it's it's an i have i have mentioned to you before but yeah it's on netflix okay there's a whole

00:05:42.100 documentary on netflix and it's a huge case okay um there was memphis tree remember we read it last

00:05:47.820 time we were here west memphis three kids that were west memphis yes yes yes yes that's crazy

00:05:55.640 that's yeah the child murders yes yes uh i have john dolf okay yeah young dog it's highly requested

00:06:02.940 yeah uh aaron hernandez okay yep yep yep john benner ramsey of course okay we might do that one

00:06:10.260 tonight for you guys yes uh i have ed gain of course okay okay okay i've got the one that we're

00:06:17.620 doing tonight which is the more dorm orders um i have the baseline killer remember i told you about

00:06:23.680 that one yeah okay all right i think it's from arizona uh edmund kemper debbie beckowitz uh and also

00:06:32.280 there's there are a lot of people asking like um if we are gonna cover cases from outside the u.s

00:06:38.180 i talked to marion about it and he said yes so of course like the requests are open for like any

00:06:44.080 cases that you want to cover uh right now the most requesting one from canada is robert picton

00:06:49.380 okay that's that's like their jeffrey that's like their ted bundy if i'm not mistaken right

00:06:54.060 this is the most prolific serial killer in canada yeah okay so we might we might cover that one

00:06:59.160 and also the italian mafia yes the okay because i get asked about the mafia literally every day

00:07:05.680 guys yes the italian mafia is probably one of the most complex criminal organizations in u.s history

00:07:12.580 you got to understand there's layers to it and there's different crime families especially if

00:07:15.860 we're going to talk about the five crime families in new york city i'm very well aware of all the crime

00:07:21.060 families and how each organization worked i mean hell i even talked i touched on it with uh the

00:07:26.160 waddy bulger case as well uh it goes into massachusetts into rhode island into california

00:07:31.060 las vegas etc so for me to properly cover the mafia it's going to be a series okay and when i say

00:07:37.100 series it's going to be similar to what i did for 9-11 as y'all remember when 9-11 i did damn near six

00:07:41.500 or seven episodes one of them got taken down which i'm going to put back up for you guys eventually

00:07:44.580 but the point is is that it's going to have to be a series which means it's going to probably take me

00:07:49.340 one to two months to do la cosa nostra the whole way through where you guys are able to get

00:07:56.440 everything um and understand everything and i also got to figure out which videos that i'm going to

00:08:01.340 use which ones i'm not going to use which ones are going to be live which one are going to be

00:08:03.700 pre-recorded i'm probably going to have to pre-record all of them to be honest with y'all because

00:08:07.140 to use certain documentaries they're going to be lame on it uh with you know uh copyright and all the

00:08:12.820 other stuff so um it's difficult to live stream that stuff so i just got to figure out how i'm going to do

00:08:17.160 which documentaries i'm going to use but i've already established that this is going to take

00:08:21.100 easily four to eight weeks to do uh the italian mafia uh it's coming yeah i promise y'all it's

00:08:28.320 coming uh i've already started preparing for it um to a degree but if i'm going to do it i'm going to

00:08:35.360 make sure i do it right just like when 9-11 i gave y'all the official story right that's in the 9-11

00:08:40.040 commission i went over the fbi investigation in detail i went over how the cia found bin laden i went over

00:08:44.920 how the seal stormed the house and i also went over the conspiracy theories of you know was it

00:08:50.660 inside job etc and there's another part of 9-11 involved with them boys which i'm going to talk

00:08:56.600 about with ryan dawson okay uh there's a reason why a lot of these conspiracy theories didn't talk

00:09:00.640 about that certain connection if you know what i'm saying with them boys i'm not even going to say it

00:09:05.340 because we're on youtube but that's going to probably be rumble only for sure okay let's let me

00:09:10.400 know what i'm talking about angie knows what i'm talking about um but yeah guys uh so if i'm going

00:09:16.940 to do it i'm going to do it all the way thorough just like i did 9-11 okay unbiased from all

00:09:22.260 perspectives uh angie anything you want to say before we get into this one um i also have more

00:09:27.060 cases yeah of course and also people have been asking non-stop what them boys mean so can you break

00:09:34.060 it down without being no i can't say it here on youtube i can't like you can describe it man

00:09:39.500 like you can't like say a joke say a joke yeah i'm trying to think of a joke that i can say that

00:09:46.580 won't give it away another you something to give away to people to guess i think the guys in the

00:09:51.060 chat know what i'm talking about let's see here if anyone in the chat says uh people don't know

00:09:56.660 no i'm looking at the most people there are a lot of people that don't know i didn't know until

00:10:00.680 you told me hey man well actually actually myron didn't tell me yeah you figured it out right

00:10:07.560 my myron just pointed at them like those are the boys yeah man uh some people i see them chat yeah

00:10:16.060 the chat already knows what time it is the chat already knows what time it is

00:10:19.680 all right and you and and the thing is is that there was a significant involvement from them boys

00:10:26.420 boys when 9 11 and we're definitely going to talk about that where ryan dawson okay that's going

00:10:31.360 to be rumble only it's not going to touch youtube i'm not you can't even say nothing about them boys

00:10:36.660 if you know what i'm saying so anyway uh what are you going to say yeah the rest of the cases are uh

00:10:42.640 real quick here river park towers uh-huh it's a new rico indictment on d-tank so yeah that's another

00:10:48.900 highly requested d-tank i got you guys uh i already mentioned gabriel fernandez i think i don't know

00:10:54.520 gabriel fernandez monitor uh yeah the italy mafia and yeah that's it cool all right and and the 9 11

00:11:02.020 one just so y'all know that's probably going to be on fresh and fit with ryan dawson um and we're

00:11:06.120 also going to do the iraq wars you guys know it's been 20 years uh since the iraqi war we invaded iraq

00:11:10.620 back in 2003 uh march 20th to be exact so tomorrow is going to be the uh 20th anniversary man so

00:11:17.060 we're going to definitely cover that as well with ryan dawson i'm really excited to do that

00:11:21.220 um with him uh but anyway um i think well without further ado we got almost a thousand you guys in

00:11:27.680 here so do me a quick favor go ahead like the video subscribe to the channel we're going to cover

00:11:30.840 the murdoch case for today guys okay so um what i'm going to do guys because um i'm going to put

00:11:37.620 detailed timestamps by the way for this case in the description for uh for this breakdown because

00:11:42.880 i ain't gonna lie to y'all when i was researching this case it was very annoying how disconjointed

00:11:49.080 people were that covered this case like one video gives you this another video gives you that

00:11:54.740 no one has everything in one place not even netflix yeah not even netflix yeah i watched the

00:12:00.660 whole documentary and disconjoined it everywhere like no one goes systematically through it so what

00:12:05.740 we're going to do on this podcast guys is we're going to go through everything for this to make

00:12:09.720 sense we're going to have to go through the murdoch family we're going to have to go through their

00:12:12.660 legacy we're going to have to go through the boating accident we're going to have to go through

00:12:15.660 stealing of the money we're going to have to go through the fake suicide attempt or slash murder

00:12:20.180 attempt we're going to have to go through the 9-1-1 call the trial the lies everything for this

00:12:26.120 to make sense because no one on youtube for some odd reason can organize everything and put it in

00:12:31.780 one-stop shop with timestamps so people can quickly go and find whatever they want pertaining to this

00:12:37.380 case and this fucking podcast is gonna do that we're gonna go ahead and get that done for y'all

00:12:43.280 so if y'all are watching live well sucks for you because you won't be able to skip around but

00:12:47.180 but when this thing is done you guys will have one video to go to that covers this case in its

00:12:54.600 entirety that makes sense of everything all right so uh anything you want to say before we get into

00:12:59.900 it yes right before you guys i i see you putting requests on the chat live chat um i will ask you to

00:13:06.840 put on the comments at the end like at the end of the video or just comments like regular comments

00:13:12.100 because that's easier for me to keep track on this on their requests like on the chat i'm not

00:13:17.000 sometimes i'm just talking here or i'm watching the videos and i cannot see it so i might miss them

00:13:22.640 so if you guys can like comment and on the way like the video so yeah you can do that thank you

00:13:28.500 all right that's it okay without further ado let's get right into it guys all right so who are the

00:13:34.680 murdochs okay the murdoch family is a prominent uh is prominent in the low country region of south

00:13:40.020 carolina three generations named randolph murdoch served consecutively as circuit solicitor

00:13:44.060 the elected prosecuting attorney guys a circuit solicitor in uh south carolina is just basically

00:13:49.620 another term for uh ada assistant district attorney or prosecutor okay on the state level not to be

00:13:55.500 confused with an assistant uh united states attorney aka a federal prosecutor i've broken this down for

00:14:00.340 you before there's state uh law enforcement and then there's federal law enforcement they were running

00:14:05.560 state law enforcement known as circuit solicitors which i know is strange i think south carolina

00:14:10.520 uses this term which is a little weird but it's nothing more than a state prosecutor for state

00:14:15.300 crime so they investigate you know everything from your low-level duis all the way up to murder okay

00:14:20.920 uh okay uh randolph murdoch serves consecutively as circuit solicitor the elected prosecuting attorney for

00:14:27.680 the state's 14 judicial district between 1920 and 2006 the family status led locals to call the five

00:14:33.120 county district murdoch country randolph murdoch senior randolph murdoch senior founded the civil

00:14:39.420 litigation firm that is now the perker law group llp in 1910 in hampton south carolina which now

00:14:46.080 specialized in personal injury litigation richard alex murdoch and other members of the murdoch family

00:14:51.140 have been the subject of investigations involving wrongful death murder corruption fraud witness

00:14:56.340 intimidation theft and drug and alcohol related charges 2019 alex's son paul murdoch and some of his

00:15:01.540 close friends were implicated in a fatal voting accident okay which we're going to talk about

00:15:05.740 that as well because this all plays into it but before we do let's go and this is the murdoch family

00:15:10.380 uh as you guys can see here's alex murdoch right here here's um paul murdoch okay and here is the

00:15:15.940 wife okay maggie maggie these two were murdered by him okay alex murdoch the father killed these two now

00:15:24.340 you guys might be wondering wait hold on why the hell would a father you know with a huge family

00:15:30.920 legacy money etc multi-millionaire successful kill his family well for you to understand this we're

00:15:36.860 going to go through the family history and then into what led to his downward spiral but

00:15:42.000 to understand the future or the present it's important to know the past

00:15:46.180 the murdochs are a powerful low country family for more than 85 years a murdoch has served as the

00:15:53.420 14th circuit solicitor the reign began in 1920 with randolph murdoch senior and ended in 2005 when randolph

00:16:01.600 randy murdoch iii retired between 1940 and 1986 randolph buster murdoch jr served as solicitor after his

00:16:10.560 father's death making him the longest serving solicitor in u.s history at that time randy continues

00:16:16.940 to work as a part-time solicitor for the office and his son richard alex alexander murdoch works

00:16:22.900 as a volunteer prosecutor in the circuit in south carolina a circuit solicitor is comparable to that

00:16:29.280 of a state or district attorney in other jurisdictions the 14th circuit solicitor's office covers five

00:16:35.520 counties in the low country allendale beaufort colleton hampton and jasper and prosecutes

00:16:42.980 5 000 cases per year ranging from misdemeanors to serious crimes such as murder and sexual assault

00:16:48.680 the murdoch family has also practiced law in hampton county for more than a century

00:16:53.960 randolph senior founded the family firm in 1910 and practiced civil law until he was tragically killed

00:17:00.220 by a train in 1940 like his father buster worked at the hampton law firm until his retirement in 1987

00:17:07.540 he was known across the state for his booming voice courtroom prowess and sending 14 men to death row

00:17:14.260 all right so as y'all can see these guys had a tight grip on this area of south carolina and it had been

00:17:22.200 going on for decades okay and having your claws deep in the entire law enforcement slash prosecution

00:17:29.840 world is a very powerful thing to have in your corner okay which is going to set the stage for

00:17:37.500 the ridiculousness that's about to come after this the murdoch family legacy of law continues with buster's

00:17:45.460 son and grandchildren three murdochs randy and sons randolph the fourth and alex are practicing attorneys at

00:17:51.720 the firm and one of their sons is currently attending law school the firm peters murdoch parker eltsroth and

00:17:59.380 dietrich which now includes offices in three count pimped oh lord

00:18:05.140 if y'all caught that if you see it you see it you know what i'm saying p-i-m-p without the i

00:18:13.940 and yes this is live live guys is known for winning multi-million dollar settlements for clients mostly

00:18:23.460 in lawsuits related to serious injuries and wrongful deaths the firm's expansion has only increased the

00:18:29.480 legal power and influence of the murdochs in south carolina and they made a lot of money guys from

00:18:34.260 suing railroad companies all across south carolina that's a big part of how they made so much money

00:18:38.820 a legacy that began more than 100 years ago

00:18:42.160 all right cool so now y'all understand the history now we're gonna fast forward to 2019

00:18:51.540 okay with the death of mallory beach okay at approximately 220 a.m on february 24 2019 paul terry

00:19:00.960 murdoch okay this guy here remember right here okay the guy on the thumbnail the son okay crashed

00:19:08.140 his family boat into the arches creek bridge in beaufort south carolina on board the boat at the time

00:19:13.440 of the accident where mallory beach and several other teenagers beach was killed in an accident and

00:19:17.680 murdoch was charged in relation to the accident paul's murder along with his uh mother in 2021 and

00:19:22.940 we're going to talk about that as well allegedly by his father or convicted by now by his father

00:19:26.960 so here is the background on the boat crash okay guys back in 2019

00:19:33.180 48 hours has new details about one of the tragic deaths connected to the family of prominent south

00:19:40.660 carolina lawyer alex murdoch 19 year old mallory beach was killed in a boating accident in 2019 on

00:19:46.840 murdoch's boat murdoch's son paul was allegedly driving it beach's family has been silent on the

00:19:52.980 accident accident yeah driving it accident yeah driving it drunk aka until now for this week's 48 hours

00:19:59.640 nikki patisse spoke with beach's aunt and a first responder who was at the scene of the crash

00:20:04.960 911 emergency we're in a boat crash on arches creek on february 24 2019 six young friends were out

00:20:15.400 partying on the beaufort river there's your boy right here okay and then this is the girl that ended

00:20:21.820 instead of getting killed malory and her boyfriend this guy right here in the blue shirt is the one who

00:20:26.560 called 911 that you guys are hearing right now this is the victim and here's paul murdoch as you guys

00:20:31.560 can tell from his bright red hair very easy to distinguish on a boat owned by the murdoch family

00:20:38.220 when they crashed on board was alex murdoch's 19 year old son paul what bridges paul what bridges

00:20:46.620 Read3 anthony anthony cook was an anthony anthony cook was there with his 19 year old girlfriend malory beach

00:20:51.600 Marley's aunt lynn revest the last thing she told me was she loved

00:20:55.720 twitch the last thing she told me was she loved

00:20:58.640 just hours before the crache surveillance cameras captured paul murdoch using

00:21:02.860 his brother's id to buy beer

00:21:04.940 you stupid he's holding the beer up he's celebrating bro

00:21:10.920 stop it. Yeah, his brother's buster. Who's older? Yeah. Michael DeWitt, editor of the Hampton

00:21:20.780 County Guardian, says later Paul and a friend were seen drinking at a bar on the river. He

00:21:26.940 pounded a couple of shots, got back in the boat. It was kind of a sad moment when you

00:21:31.600 see Matt. And there he is right here. This is a guy that caught 911. And also, I want

00:21:35.540 to let y'all know that Paul is an alcoholic, guys. Yeah. Okay. All he did was rage and

00:21:42.020 party. This is something that he did all the time. Obviously, this is a rich kid from South

00:21:45.720 Carolina. His family is well known everywhere. He doesn't really deal with consequences for

00:21:51.300 his actions, which you guys are going to see here later on. And he grew up with a silver

00:21:55.420 spoon in his mouth and it shows in his actions. Go ahead. He is the perfect example of an

00:21:59.680 over on his spoiled brat. Yes, 100%. If trust fund baby was a term, he is the definition of it.

00:22:07.360 You know, not only does he have the money, but his family has the status and the power in this part

00:22:12.680 of South Carolina. Mallory, I think it's the last moment that anybody captured an image of her

00:22:19.280 alive. About an hour later, the boat slammed into a bridge piling. That's when Mallory disappeared.

00:22:26.560 There's six of us and one is missing. Then Buford County Deputy Sheriff Stephen Domino was one of the

00:22:33.480 first on the scene. Anthony Cook told him he saw Paul Murdoch driving the boat just before.

00:22:40.280 Damn, and y'all can see the blood here, right? So that tells you right there that this was a,

00:22:46.220 he was probably driving that thing fast to get that kind of, yeah, that kind of result.

00:22:51.580 The crash. Y'all know Alec Murdoch. That's his son. See, look at him. Y'all know Alec Murdoch. He's all

00:23:02.200 drunk and shit, slurred and stuff. That's his son. So obviously the deputy knows who he is. The kid

00:23:09.700 knows who he is. Hey, that tells you all you got to know. Good luck. Nearly. Good luck.

00:23:19.460 Two months after the boat crash, Paul was charged with causing the death of Mallory Beach. He pleaded

00:23:28.820 not guilty. But the case will never go to trial. On June 7th, 2021, Alex Murdoch called police and

00:23:37.700 said he'd found Paul and his wife Maggie shot dead on one of their properties. Maggie and Paul,

00:23:44.340 please hurry. Wait. Nikki, Batiste, this is all over the place, this case. Are investigators

00:23:51.920 saying if the boat crash is in fact related to the double murder or connected in any way?

00:23:56.580 So the investigation. Hold on, do you have some? Go ahead. I mean, they don't mention a lot of stuff.

00:24:01.480 Well, we're going to, we're going to, what do you, what do you mean? What did they not mention?

00:24:04.700 Well, actually, the boat crash, Paul tried to blame his friend, the other guy that was drinking

00:24:11.680 with him. Oh, the boyfriend? No, no, no. There were three cops. So there is this thing.

00:24:16.720 Okay, go ahead. And it's all the Netflix documentary, which is like very dramatic. If you guys like

00:24:21.200 drama, you can go watch it. So there were three couples, right? And they were all together. So

00:24:27.200 Paul, his girlfriend, the guy, the girl, Mallory. So Anthony and Mallory. And there was another

00:24:34.420 couple. Yeah. Which was his name was Connor. Connor was trying. So when the accident happened,

00:24:40.360 Paul was driving because he, he wouldn't let anyone else drive the boat. Yeah. So this

00:24:47.080 guy, Connor, he was, he drank, of course, but he was okay. So he was trying to grab the

00:24:53.860 wheel, but Paul wouldn't let him. Yeah. So that's what he said. He kept saying, this is

00:24:58.820 my father's boat. I'm not letting y'all drive. And none of you guys touch this boat. Yeah.

00:25:02.400 Yeah. Yes, exactly. So when the, the crash, when the crash happened, he tried to blame

00:25:08.200 his friend. So he said that he was the one driving all the time. So this is what Paul

00:25:13.760 said. You try to blame it on Connor, even though Connor couldn't get ahold of this.

00:25:16.900 Yes. Because the thing is that when this guy, Anthony called the police, Paul was trying to

00:25:21.840 call his dad. So he's, that will do like the whole thing of like, you know, covering the

00:25:26.900 case. Yeah. So what he said was like, you dude, this guy was driving the boat and he

00:25:32.580 crushed it. I think his grandfather ended up coming up to the ER and telling him to shut

00:25:36.400 up. Yeah. Both fathers. Alex and Ramdolf, which is the grandfather. Okay. So yeah, they,

00:25:42.400 they all try to blame this guy, Connor. Okay. So what happened, which is, I don't see why

00:25:47.900 they don't mention this in here. Alex Mordo tried to cover, tried to cover the whole thing

00:25:54.380 saying that he, they will represent all the kids in trial. Uh, if they blame Connor, you

00:26:00.500 know, not, not if they blame Connor, they didn't mention like blame Connor, but like, you know,

00:26:04.720 I represent you don't say anything. They said, don't say anything, you know? Okay. So, so

00:26:11.500 they were trying to basically bribe them with free representation. Like, Hey, we're all gonna,

00:26:16.180 you know, it's Connor that was driving it. My son is a responsible. I'll represent y'all

00:26:20.280 and we'll go ahead and present a story that implicates Connor as the driver, but the six

00:26:26.060 hooks, like even called the, the Connor's parents, Alex Mordo called Connor's parents. They were

00:26:31.940 like, yo, we know what you're like. They didn't say like, you, we know what your son did, but

00:26:36.340 they were like, we're going to represent Connor no matter what happens at any cost. Like, I

00:26:42.020 mean, these guys were trying to find Mallory and they were just worried about Paul the whole

00:26:47.520 time. Like it's crazy. It's crazy. Did they ever recover the body? No. Right. Yes. Oh,

00:26:51.300 they did. Eight days after they found her dead five miles away from, from the crash. Like

00:26:57.760 the crime scene. Her body floated probably in the river for a few days. Yeah. Wow. All

00:27:03.280 right. No, good, uh, good stuff. Good addition there. Um, I knew that he had been, he didn't

00:27:08.700 want anyone else to touch the boat. Cause he was like, I'm going to lose my boat. I'm not

00:27:11.800 letting you guys touch it. But I didn't know that the Alex went to that extent. Yeah.

00:27:17.500 To cover it up. I knew that they showed up at the ER and they were telling them, don't

00:27:21.400 say anything to the police. And Paul was drunk as hell. He was more, more concerned with

00:27:25.380 like, uh, partying again. He was flirting with the nurses. Yeah. He was flirting with

00:27:30.300 the nurses too. Yeah. Yeah. Guys, this is privilege on another level. He was flirting

00:27:33.620 with the nurses. Meanwhile, they couldn't find Mallory or what was going on with her. And

00:27:37.740 then after he got discharged and he got charged, he was back to partying. Like it was crazy,

00:27:43.140 bro. Wild. Yes. Um, he was throwing ragers. The other thing that, that, that the way they

00:27:49.640 crashed this guy, like they, they just take this guy. It wasn't the, the one that was driving

00:27:55.700 is because he broke his jaw in the accident. Yeah. And from the, you know, like circumstantial

00:28:02.220 evidence, like from the position that he broke his jaw, it wouldn't be possible for him to

00:28:07.600 drive the ball. Okay. Okay. So, so basically, yeah. So, so they tried to pin it on Connor

00:28:13.980 who, right. And, but the thing is, is that his injuries were not indicative of him being

00:28:17.860 behind the steering wheel. So there's no way that he could have been driving based on his

00:28:21.020 injuries. Yeah. Thank you for understanding. Yeah. No worries. I got you, bro. Yeah. I got

00:28:24.960 you. Uh, English is your second language guys. Yes. Uh, all right. So let's continue on

00:28:30.180 here with, with this, uh, good, good, good points there. Yeah. They're staying, staying

00:28:35.120 really tight lipped about a motive, a suspect, but Alex Murdoch's attorneys have admitted that

00:28:40.580 he is a person of interest in the double murders, but I've spent a lot of time in South Carolina.

00:28:45.560 I've talked to a lot of locals. There is speculation that this double murder might be revenge for

00:28:51.640 the boat crash, but here's, what's so crazy about this case. There are six investigations

00:28:55.960 going right, going on. Hold on six investigations. What the fuck? And don't worry guys. We're

00:29:03.920 going to cover some of them here all around the Murdoch family that the boat crash, a double

00:29:09.040 murder, the death of another teenage boy, a suicide scheme, missing money from a law firm

00:29:14.040 and the death of the Murdoch family housekeeper a few years ago. What does the family think?

00:29:20.040 Mallory's family. Yeah. Mallory's family in a civil lawsuit very clearly says they believe

00:29:24.660 Paul Murdoch was driving the boat that he was drunk. It crashed and their beautiful daughter

00:29:30.080 died. Nikki, I cannot wait to watch this one. So many twists and turns. You can watch Nikki's

00:29:35.020 report, the Murdoch mysteries. Let's get that up. All right. So now y'all know, right? This

00:29:41.280 is like one of the first like major or one of the early events in the Murdoch timeline,

00:29:45.780 right? Now we're going to get into Murdoch stealing money from the law firm prior to the murders.

00:29:54.620 Okay guys. Um, and this woman right here was the CFO that was able to ID it and confront

00:30:01.220 him. We're not going to play the entire video, but we're going to play the initial portion.

00:30:04.140 Uh, she has a little bit of a weird lisp guys. So, um, yeah, that's all I'll say. Let's go

00:30:10.920 ahead and roll the clip.

00:30:11.620 Next line where it says Barrett Boulware took insurance proceeds. This is actually a check

00:30:17.560 that was payable to Barrett Boulware from Southern Fidelity insurance. And Alec actually endorsed

00:30:26.500 that check. He had power of attorney on that file. He actually endorsed that check. And later we were

00:30:32.960 able to trace it into his personal accounts. All right. So they basically were able to trace it back

00:30:40.480 that he took money from the firm, from clients that he was not supposed to take and put it into

00:30:46.580 his personal account to fuel, which you guys are going to find out later, his drug addiction.

00:30:52.080 Going down. The majority of these are forged payment. If you get to Dion Martin, the first

00:30:57.340 line says fake real quick. I'm sorry to interrupt you. Just going across though, we've got the client,

00:31:01.980 we've got the civil action number, we've got the category that you were just describing.

00:31:05.400 We got the date, the trust was funded, and then we have the amount. Is that correct?

00:31:09.180 That's right. And the date the trust was funded,

00:31:11.500 what does that category mean? That refers to when we found out and did the deep dive into exactly what

00:31:18.660 had happened on each file and deposited the money back immediately into our client trust. So that's

00:31:26.580 the firm actually, as we found these, put money in client trust. We then met with all the clients,

00:31:33.180 reestablished what the correct disbursements should have been and returned all funds to

00:31:38.180 the clients. So the firm had to pay guys. Let me get this. So let's get this straight.

00:31:43.160 They have to meet with their clients, tell them, Hey, just so y'all know your money's been stolen,

00:31:48.540 but we're going to go ahead and pay y'all back. And let's see how they actually came up with the

00:31:54.580 money to pay them back. The money back that you've determined in each one of these cases that Alec

00:32:00.680 Murdoch misappropriated through the fake Forge on this list. We did.

00:32:10.760 And this is the prosecutor right here, guys, top right. Obviously, this Alec Murdoch right here.

00:32:15.260 And then here is the CFO who is on the witness stand testifying. And this is from the trial

00:32:21.500 in South Carolina.

00:32:30.720 What's the total amount on this sheet?

00:32:34.880 $2,841,512.55.

00:32:40.860 Boom, book out.

00:32:43.620 And again, does this represent everything or just a particular category?

00:32:46.940 Just a particular category.

00:32:49.020 What, bro?

00:32:51.020 What?

00:32:53.240 Yo, my man was embezzling all kinds of money, bro.

00:32:57.140 He was just robbing them blind.

00:33:01.600 2.8. That was just in like one instance.

00:33:07.700 Just real quick. I see that says 129.11 for Thomas More.

00:33:10.980 Or is that supposed to be 21?

00:33:13.640 Yes.

00:33:16.260 And that would be the date and the check number of the check that was taken.

00:33:22.200 My hand, 7-314, up to you.

00:33:26.820 And if you could correct that with my pen here and then just put your initials next to it, please.

00:33:31.920 Thank you.

00:33:33.920 Going back to Exhibit 314, if we look at all the check dates on here,

00:33:53.060 we have the earliest one being about August of 2015.

00:33:56.620 Is that correct?

00:33:57.480 That's right.

00:33:58.680 And then it continues all the way up to early 2021.

00:34:01.420 Is that correct?

00:34:01.960 That's correct.

00:34:03.920 And how he was probably getting away with this, guys,

00:34:09.860 was he was just siphoning money, right, at different periods,

00:34:12.780 so it wouldn't be too noticeable.

00:34:14.100 Obviously, he didn't take all that 2.8 million at one time.

00:34:16.780 He was taking money slowly, right, but surely over a long duration of time.

00:34:22.420 So it would not be too visible to the accountants running the books.

00:34:33.920 Murdoch is kind of like, damn, this is an L for me, bro.

00:34:51.740 They got that money part.

00:34:53.220 And you guys might be wondering, why are they bringing up money in a murder trial, right?

00:34:59.160 It's a completely different crime.

00:35:00.540 Aren't you supposed to be tried for the crime that you're actually being accused of?

00:35:04.560 Well, the reason why, guys, is because the prosecution is trying to frame it where he killed his family, okay,

00:35:12.940 because he had a bunch of issues and his life was spiraling out of control.

00:35:17.760 And about three days prior, right, excuse me, three days after the murders,

00:35:23.900 he was scheduled for a hearing where he was supposed to face these issues in a civil court with the money that he had stolen, okay?

00:35:32.100 So the prosecution theorized that these murders were a part of buying himself some time because obviously as soon as these murders happened,

00:35:42.840 right, in the beginning stages before he was named a suspect, everything was canceled.

00:35:47.700 He was put in the victim category, and people didn't really press him like that anymore, you know,

00:35:53.800 between his drug addiction, stealing money, other things that he had done,

00:35:58.980 and other criminal activity that he had done, stealing money from the firm, stealing money from clients,

00:36:01.920 stealing money from friends, et cetera.

00:36:03.380 So it kind of took pressure off him for a good amount of time because everyone was like,

00:36:07.640 yo, he just lost his family, they had been brutally murdered, et cetera.

00:36:11.440 So they canceled everything.

00:36:22.200 Fast forward this a little bit.

00:36:24.100 Yes, we have.

00:36:24.760 And these are from the records and your investigation into the records at the firm?

00:36:29.460 That's correct.

00:36:30.120 And each one of these, has the firm had to make the clients whole because of the defendant's misappropriation?

00:36:35.300 We did.

00:36:36.220 All right.

00:36:36.460 I'm going to show you what's been marked as 315, and this is a particular case is a lease Mallory.

00:36:42.300 And just as an example, and see if you recognize that document.

00:36:47.720 I do.

00:36:48.000 This first document is the disbursement which would have been drafted at the end of the case

00:36:53.660 that states the recovery, expenses, fees, and payments to clients.

00:36:58.740 Next, we have, this one actually had a payment to forge, so I have a copy of that canceled check.

00:37:04.060 And then the third and fourth pages are where we did our correcting disbursements with footnotes about what had happened

00:37:10.940 and explained everything to our clients when we reimbursed them.

00:37:15.060 Okay.

00:37:16.880 Let's put that up on the screen real quick.

00:37:18.880 Are there similar documents, supporting documents, for each one of these transactions that's on your spreadsheet?

00:37:28.440 There is.

00:37:29.260 All right.

00:37:32.360 So this is a disbursement sheet, is that right?

00:37:34.500 That's correct.

00:37:35.380 And I didn't ask you.

00:37:36.180 He was addicted to oxys, by the way, guys.

00:37:38.200 I'll ask you, but very quickly, tell me what a disbursement sheet is and how they're supposed to work.

00:37:42.380 So disbursement sheet just shows at the conclusion of the case, once the recovery, it will show the recovery amount,

00:37:49.360 list out the fees that were sent to the attorneys, shows fee splits if there's multiple attorneys,

00:37:55.920 shows the amount of expenses we collect back, any liens or loans that were payable that were in the scope of that case,

00:38:03.080 and then the final amount would be the payment to the client or the client's beneficiaries, if they had beneficiaries.

00:38:09.960 All right.

00:38:10.260 And then down here at the bottom, well, guys, he didn't, he didn't spend 2 million plus on just drugs.

00:38:17.180 I mean, he, you got to remember that they lived a very luxurious lifestyle.

00:38:21.640 You know, they had multiple homes, big mansions, boats, luxurious items, a bunch of liabilities.

00:38:29.620 We want to keep it a thousand with y'all.

00:38:31.160 So, and at the time he was kind of a disgraced attorney, so he wasn't probably making enough money

00:38:38.300 to keep up with his lifestyle, okay?

00:38:40.880 And anytime that happens, well, you end up keeping up with the Joneses and you're going to have to,

00:38:45.480 you might, you either got to get the money, you know, legally or in this case, illegally.

00:38:50.840 And that's what he was doing.

00:38:51.860 And also he had his drug habit.

00:38:53.360 He had to pay for his son's defense counsel with the boating accident.

00:38:57.080 He had people suing him.

00:38:59.400 His life was spiraling out of control, guys.

00:39:01.760 So people do desperate things, desperate, desperate times require desperate measures sometimes.

00:39:07.300 And this is the greatest extent to desperate measures.

00:39:13.320 Staling money from his own law firm.

00:39:15.380 Check it or one.

00:39:16.140 You recognize that signature?

00:39:17.560 Yes, that's Alex.

00:39:18.880 Okay.

00:39:19.960 And going to the second page, what is this right here?

00:39:23.880 That is a copy of the check that was payable to forge that you saw on the bottom line of that other disbursement,

00:39:29.460 as well as the back of it showing the endorsement.

00:39:33.040 All right.

00:39:33.520 And is that the real forge or the fake forge?

00:39:35.740 That's the fake forge.

00:39:37.540 All right.

00:39:38.080 And then what is this document right here?

00:39:39.500 This is the correcting disbursement.

00:39:42.060 The yellow totals would signify what the correct amount should have been

00:39:45.560 and the corrections that would need it to have been made.

00:39:50.420 All right.

00:39:51.020 Going back to this first page, in this particular one, how much was the recovery?

00:39:59.200 $183,528.

00:40:02.920 All right.

00:40:03.760 And then was there an attorney fee taken from PMPED?

00:40:10.000 There was an attorney fee taken.

00:40:11.500 In this case, it was $30,000, which was a reduced fee.

00:40:15.260 We generally get a third or 40%, but there are instances where the attorney will reduce their fee for some reasons.

00:40:23.800 And do you know why?

00:40:25.040 Who requested the fees be reduced in this case?

00:40:28.180 That would be Alec.

00:40:29.240 Would have done that.

00:40:30.380 Alec did that.

00:40:32.160 Boom, book out.

00:40:33.620 But those fees got paid to the firm from that recovery, correct?

00:40:36.640 They did.

00:40:37.740 All right.

00:40:38.060 Great.

00:40:38.360 So the rest of that money went to the client, didn't it?

00:40:40.840 It did not.

00:40:41.420 It actually went to the fake forge account where Alec stole the money from the client.

00:40:46.260 Every last bit of it?

00:40:47.200 Every bit.

00:40:47.840 $152,866.

00:40:49.660 That client didn't get one dime until y'all had to make it right.

00:40:53.300 That's right.

00:40:54.040 And that's similar to the rest of the examples we have.

00:40:56.880 It's exactly like the rest.

00:40:58.280 Been going on free.

00:40:59.080 So now y'all see how the scheme, basically he would take in a smaller deposit, you know, try to conceal it, make it fly under the radar, which, you know, ended up getting him caught in the first place.

00:41:08.880 But this is how he was able to steal money for a duration of time.

00:41:13.120 Years.

00:41:13.820 Yes.

00:41:14.080 All right.

00:41:22.760 So now that we know the financial side, right, and you guys can go ahead and watch this video.

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00:41:35.140 That's just an overview of what's going on.

00:41:36.660 We're not going to watch the entire thing, but you guys get an idea now of what he was doing with stealing money.

00:41:40.280 You guys understand the scheme now.

00:41:41.320 Now we're going to go into how he stole millions from his ex-housekeeper's family in a wrongful death case.

00:41:49.840 Okay, guys.

00:41:51.020 Angie, do you want to talk about this one real quick?

00:41:52.660 Because this was covered in the Netflix documentary, right?

00:41:55.860 Just, yeah.

00:41:57.200 But like at the end, like it's three episodes documentary.

00:42:00.760 So they mentioned this at the end.

00:42:02.820 Okay.

00:42:03.220 I mean, I'll summarize it for them real quick.

00:42:06.220 Basically, this is one of their housekeepers, guys.

00:42:08.100 She ended up allegedly, of course, right?

00:42:11.320 No one knows the truth here.

00:42:12.900 Yes.

00:42:13.360 But she ended up getting pushed by the family dog falling down the stairs and then dying.

00:42:19.580 Yeah.

00:42:19.840 She had, uh, the family ended up suing and winning the lawsuit.

00:42:27.880 Okay.

00:42:28.200 And, uh, Alex Murdaugh was still able to steal the money somehow.

00:42:34.260 I don't fucking know how this guy does this shit.

00:42:36.300 This guy is literally a G at stealing money from people.

00:42:40.820 Okay.

00:42:41.320 I mean, obviously not G enough because he got caught, but this is what this dude does.

00:42:45.040 All right.

00:42:46.000 Uh, let's go ahead and get into it here.

00:42:47.580 I'm going to go ahead and share screen with y'all.

00:42:49.040 Uh, this is ridiculous, but yeah.

00:42:52.340 Okay.

00:42:52.820 Okay.

00:42:53.260 Speak up for us because the court quarter, nobody needs to hear you.

00:42:57.300 Um, this is the son of the housekeeper.

00:43:02.660 Who was your mother?

00:43:04.000 Uh, Gloria Satterfield.

00:43:05.200 Gloria Satterfield.

00:43:06.140 Yes.

00:43:07.080 And, um, is Gloria still with us?

00:43:09.640 She's not.

00:43:10.420 And when did she pass?

00:43:11.680 Uh, February 26th, 2018.

00:43:14.400 Go ahead, Angie.

00:43:15.220 You got some?

00:43:15.500 Okay.

00:43:15.980 Yes.

00:43:16.400 Yes.

00:43:16.620 I just want to mention that this lady, Gloria, was the housekeeper for the Murdo family for

00:43:22.880 many, many years.

00:43:24.360 All right.

00:43:24.760 So she actually saw all the kids grow and Paul was very, very close to her.

00:43:31.000 Right.

00:43:31.660 But many, many people, when she died or got killed, I don't know, um, were, um, implicating

00:43:39.440 that the, the one that killed her was Maggie or Alex Murdo because apparently

00:43:45.420 she knew secrets of the family that, uh, no, that.

00:43:49.700 So they alleged the parents killed her because she knew too much.

00:43:52.340 Okay.

00:43:52.860 So Paul, the son who got murdered guys, right?

00:43:55.340 We should, which just to show you guys real fast, because I want you guys to be able to

00:43:59.020 put faces to the names real quick here.

00:44:01.420 Okay.

00:44:02.200 Paul right here.

00:44:04.300 Okay.

00:44:05.200 Maggie is the wife and Alex is right here.

00:44:08.160 So the rumors you're saying is that Maggie and potentially even Alex were behind her

00:44:13.880 being killed.

00:44:14.600 Mm-hmm.

00:44:15.160 Okay.

00:44:15.720 Some people said that Paul also will kill her, but I mean, like people close to the family

00:44:21.340 will know that Paul wouldn't be able to do that because he, she raised him.

00:44:25.500 Yeah.

00:44:26.200 Basically he care about her.

00:44:27.960 So anything, the parents might have an incentive because she knew too much.

00:44:31.140 Yeah.

00:44:31.260 But the thing is that Maggie called it, called 9-1-1 when she died, she was the one who made

00:44:35.900 a call.

00:44:36.500 Ah, interesting.

00:44:37.600 Just like him when he called 9-1-1 when they died.

00:44:40.140 Exactly.

00:44:41.660 Oh man.

00:44:43.500 All right.

00:44:44.520 Yeah.

00:44:44.820 I told you guys, this case is crazy.

00:44:46.880 Uh, all right.

00:44:47.780 Let's, uh, let's go ahead and see a little bit of the testimony.

00:44:49.580 Again, we're not going to play this entire video guys.

00:44:51.300 I'm going to play it.

00:44:52.300 So you guys kind of understand the severity of what's going on here.

00:44:55.160 So this all makes sense.

00:44:56.000 Right.

00:44:56.200 And who did she work for when she passed?

00:45:02.700 Uh, Alex and Maggie Murdoch.

00:45:04.340 Okay.

00:45:04.960 And do you know Alex Murdoch?

00:45:06.540 I do.

00:45:07.180 Do you see him here in the courtroom today?

00:45:08.700 I do.

00:45:09.240 Can you point him out?

00:45:10.420 Uh, yes.

00:45:12.320 You're on a kind of record reflect he's done by this phone.

00:45:15.860 Um, yeah.

00:45:19.060 Where is he?

00:45:20.420 Where is he?

00:45:22.060 Uh, what was that, sir?

00:45:23.500 Pardon?

00:45:24.100 Point him out again.

00:45:24.920 Right there.

00:45:26.480 Right.

00:45:27.060 Can you tell me what?

00:45:27.740 And I know that list looks redundant guys, but the reason why he has to point to the person

00:45:31.040 in the courtroom, they need to get a positive identification for the court records.

00:45:35.520 Um, and obviously they're typing stuff up.

00:45:37.400 So they, you know, they're going to say, let the record reflect that the, uh, witness has

00:45:41.000 identified the defendant and then they can go ahead and get the testimony.

00:45:44.740 Jacket is wearing a Navy blue jacket.

00:45:48.660 It does.

00:45:49.500 Thank you, Your Honor.

00:45:51.200 Um.

00:45:55.640 Over, how long did your mom roughly, how long she worked for Alec?

00:45:59.520 Do you know?

00:46:00.500 Uh, I think you can estimate against 20 something years, maybe give and take.

00:46:04.600 I don't know.

00:46:05.100 There's nine years.

00:46:06.100 Two decades, guys.

00:46:07.540 Holy.

00:46:08.660 That is crazy.

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00:46:37.660 And, uh, yeah.

00:46:38.500 Let's get back into it.

00:46:40.020 Okay.

00:46:40.880 And slid up just a little bit more.

00:46:42.380 I think you're talking right into that mic.

00:46:44.000 There you go.

00:46:45.160 Just a little bit.

00:46:46.080 We need to get up on the mic so we can, uh, hear you.

00:46:49.080 All right.

00:46:49.620 Um, what did, uh, your mom do for, uh, Alec?

00:46:54.420 Uh, she was their housekeeper.

00:46:56.260 She babysat for them.

00:46:57.380 She cleaned their house.

00:46:58.300 Um, kind of anything else they kind of need.

00:47:00.760 Okay.

00:47:01.740 And she had been doing that for a long time?

00:47:03.260 Yes.

00:47:04.340 During the course of that, you got to know Alec and his family to some extent as well?

00:47:08.200 Yes.

00:47:09.840 Uh, did you trust Mr. Murdoch?

00:47:11.360 Yes.

00:47:12.780 What happened to your mom?

00:47:14.580 Uh, she failed.

00:47:16.080 Um, and hit her head.

00:47:17.560 And where was she when she did that happen?

00:47:19.140 Uh, she was at Alec's house in Moselle.

00:47:21.480 In Moselle?

00:47:22.180 Yes.

00:47:23.160 Um, did she pass right away or did she live for a while?

00:47:25.840 Uh, she lived for a few weeks.

00:47:27.800 And guys, Moselle is where the murder occurred, uh, with where the dog kennels were, et cetera.

00:47:33.240 That's a property that they own, which is right here.

00:47:35.580 This is the Moselle estate here, as y'all can see from an aerial photo.

00:47:38.880 Um, so, uh, and actually, I think if I'm not mistaken, it's on the market now and under contract.

00:47:46.220 Uh, these are some photos, right?

00:47:49.040 You got the kennels.

00:47:50.680 Okay.

00:47:51.160 Um, 1,700 acres of land.

00:47:54.260 They purchased the Moselle property around 2012.

00:47:59.180 And, uh, you know, it's gated.

00:48:00.920 Yeah.

00:48:01.040 These guys got money, guys, you know, listed for 3.9 million.

00:48:04.700 Right.

00:48:05.740 So, yeah, these dudes got some money, bro.

00:48:08.080 They definitely got some money.

00:48:09.840 Uh, but this is where the murder occurred and where, um, the, and I think if I'm not mistaken,

00:48:15.080 it was these steps that she allegedly got pushed down and ended up, uh, passing away.

00:48:20.980 So, uh, let's get back to it.

00:48:24.300 Was she ever able to say to you what happened, how she fell or anything?

00:48:28.000 Uh, no, she was not.

00:48:30.920 Um, after she passed, uh, did you have any conversation with Alec, uh, about what to do about it?

00:48:38.220 Uh, I did.

00:48:39.300 And what was the conversation you had with Alec?

00:48:41.980 Uh, I may, uh, I may remember.

00:48:44.840 But it's like, um, you know, let me go after my insurance company for this or whatever,

00:48:49.940 you know, kind of get these medical bills and stuff paid.

00:48:52.360 Okay.

00:48:52.840 So he said he was going to go after his insurance company?

00:48:54.960 Yes.

00:48:55.540 And get medical bills for your mom pay?

00:48:57.700 Yes.

00:48:58.380 Did he say he might get, did he get money for you and your brother?

00:49:01.580 Yes.

00:49:02.660 Did he say how much that might be?

00:49:04.720 Uh, no.

00:49:06.920 Um, ultimately, was there a lawsuit filed?

00:49:11.000 Yes.

00:49:12.080 All right.

00:49:12.320 And he, he, uh, who did you consider your lawyer was in all of this?

00:49:15.480 Uh, Alex.

00:49:16.840 All right.

00:49:17.380 At some point in time, did he bring another lawyer in?

00:49:19.920 Yes.

00:49:20.660 And what did he tell you about that?

00:49:22.300 Um, he said, if I understood it correctly, you know, I can't do it myself because it's

00:49:26.540 conflict of interest.

00:49:27.600 Um, I'm going to send you to my buddy, Corey Fleming.

00:49:30.120 Corey Fleming?

00:49:30.920 Yes.

00:49:31.800 Did he tell you anything about his relationship with Corey Fleming other than they were buddies?

00:49:36.780 Uh, can you repeat the question?

00:49:37.780 I'm trying to hear you.

00:49:38.340 Did he tell you anything more about his relationship with Corey Fleming?

00:49:44.060 You guys see a trend here, how Alex, what he does is he inserts himself into certain

00:49:47.760 legal procedures so that he can influence it to his benefit.

00:49:50.620 So in this case, um, his housekeeper dies.

00:49:54.080 So what does he do?

00:49:55.140 He makes sure that he has a hand in representing her son to ensure that he's involved in the

00:50:00.520 process of financial, uh, disbursement of funds from an insurance company.

00:50:06.620 Okay.

00:50:07.120 We'll see what happens next year.

00:50:09.060 Um, after he brought in Corey Fleming, were you still communicating directly with Alec about

00:50:13.160 the case?

00:50:13.780 Yes.

00:50:14.400 Who did you think your lawyer was?

00:50:16.160 Uh, Alex.

00:50:17.900 The whole time?

00:50:18.980 Yes.

00:50:20.240 Did he ever bring in a person, uh, or did they ever bring in a person by, by the name of

00:50:24.060 Chad?

00:50:24.680 Yes.

00:50:25.840 And you remember Chad's last name?

00:50:27.840 Uh, Westendorf.

00:50:29.180 Okay.

00:50:29.820 God damn it.

00:50:30.480 Chad coming in and messing it up again, man.

00:50:32.440 And it takes a girl and your money.

00:50:37.260 What did they tell you about Chad?

00:50:38.320 Um, that he, um, should be my PR.

00:50:44.700 Your PR?

00:50:45.780 Yes.

00:50:46.400 Did you ever meet with Chad?

00:50:47.640 Uh, yes.

00:50:48.660 Did you meet with him a lot or just?

00:50:50.680 Uh, one time I can think of.

00:50:52.980 Alec told you that he was going after his insurance company.

00:50:57.600 Did he say how much that insurance was?

00:51:00.500 Um, one of them that I know of was like $500,000 and that's the only one.

00:51:04.640 That's the only one he told you about?

00:51:05.880 Yes.

00:51:06.040 Wow.

00:51:08.500 Did he ever tell you that there was also an umbrella policy worth upwards of $5 million?

00:51:14.020 No.

00:51:14.700 Never mentioned that to you, did he?

00:51:15.920 No.

00:51:19.100 So he only told them about the one that's $500,000, didn't tell them about the one that

00:51:23.100 was some M's.

00:51:24.460 Hmm.

00:51:27.300 Yay!

00:51:36.040 I really don't believe this guy actually believes that his mom got killed, uh, died

00:51:51.040 accidentally, like, from some stairs.

00:51:54.180 It's just, it's naive, but, you know, if you go and put yourself in his shoes, right?

00:51:59.360 Like, your mom's worked for them for 20 years.

00:52:02.560 25 years, yeah.

00:52:03.380 20, you know, 20 years plus, you know, you're thinking in your head, like, they would never

00:52:07.180 do anything.

00:52:07.680 They've paid her.

00:52:08.280 They've taken care of her.

00:52:09.420 They've given her time off.

00:52:10.880 Uh, she knows the family.

00:52:12.700 There's no way this could happen.

00:52:13.900 You know what I mean?

00:52:14.300 He probably, he probably grew up in the house with them, probably going to Christmas, everything

00:52:17.820 else like that.

00:52:18.320 So he would think like, maybe it was a dog.

00:52:20.760 Maybe it was this dog on some demon time.

00:52:22.560 You know what I mean?

00:52:22.940 Like coming after, uh, his mom and he's, you know, he's a young guy.

00:52:28.040 Maybe he would believe it.

00:52:29.400 Yeah.

00:52:29.880 But I, I personally think like he must know something.

00:52:33.180 I don't know.

00:52:34.060 I don't want to put my hands in there, but I mean, he probably knows something as well.

00:52:39.340 His mom actually worked 20 plus years there.

00:52:42.380 Like it's sus.

00:52:44.160 Yeah.

00:52:44.420 No, it's definitely sus.

00:52:45.640 It definitely is.

00:52:46.360 Which I think he probably came to that conclusion later on when he didn't get the money.

00:52:50.340 Well, yeah.

00:52:51.320 Well, yeah.

00:52:52.100 But I could see how in the beginning, why he would trust them.

00:52:55.060 Of course.

00:52:55.800 So makes sense.

00:52:56.780 Yeah.

00:52:56.920 You know, you got a prominent rich family telling you, Hey, um, you know, we're going

00:53:00.740 to make sure that you get this money.

00:53:02.080 We're going to take care of you.

00:53:03.360 We loved your mom.

00:53:04.220 She was with us.

00:53:05.140 She's a part of our family, blah, blah, blah.

00:53:06.900 And even, uh, one of Alex's coworkers who said that he, the good thing that he was good

00:53:11.340 at, even though he was a terrible lawyer was he was a fantastic, as she would say bullshit

00:53:15.360 artists in her own words.

00:53:17.120 The CFO actually said that about him during the trial.

00:53:19.640 So, um, I wouldn't be surprised that he was able to con this guy as well.

00:53:23.660 Yeah.

00:53:24.240 Right.

00:53:24.800 Tugging on emotional triggers.

00:53:27.160 Fair enough.

00:53:33.440 He got that con juice.

00:53:35.600 Pause.

00:53:38.120 All right.

00:53:40.260 Prosecutor gathering them documents.

00:53:41.820 You got that.

00:53:42.260 Oh, of course.

00:53:43.280 Trailer company and a medical bill, I believe.

00:53:45.560 And I just wanted the reason that you sent that to that is, uh, that is a cover sheet

00:53:49.820 that a fact that I sent him Alex.

00:53:51.720 Okay.

00:53:52.140 And what was, what's the reason that you sent that to Alex?

00:53:55.280 Um, I got something from the trailer company and a medical bill, I believe.

00:53:59.600 And I just wanted to be sure what I needed to do with it.

00:54:01.980 You had received some paperwork about your mom.

00:54:04.500 Uh, it was a bill.

00:54:05.820 It was a bill.

00:54:06.560 Yeah.

00:54:07.140 And who did you send that to?

00:54:08.600 Uh, Alex Murdoch or the law firm.

00:54:10.640 All right.

00:54:10.920 And why did you send it to Alec Murdoch?

00:54:12.680 Uh, cause he said if we got any medical bills, I swore them to him.

00:54:15.400 And I didn't know if I needed to do anything with it, which, because you thought he was

00:54:18.580 your lawyer.

00:54:19.140 Yes.

00:54:20.100 All right.

00:54:20.420 And this has your phone number on there, but we blacked it out.

00:54:22.720 Correct.

00:54:22.780 Yes.

00:54:23.120 So not only is Alex representing him involved in the entire process, but he's also getting

00:54:44.940 all the bills that are coming in.

00:54:46.300 And so he's in control, guys, of what's going on with the entire process.

00:54:51.480 So if he was involved and had some nefarious activity with his mother's dad.

00:54:55.240 What's coming on?

00:54:55.860 Did you have conversations with Alec?

00:54:57.680 He sees everything coming down the pipeline, which is obviously puts him in a position of

00:55:01.940 power.

00:55:02.240 Are you asking him about the case and what was going on with the case or anything like

00:55:05.400 that?

00:55:06.100 Uh, yes.

00:55:06.920 Not very rarely, but every few months or so.

00:55:09.780 And what would he tell you just generally?

00:55:12.080 Um, first it was hard, hard, and he didn't know that he was making progress.

00:55:15.160 He kind of left it at that.

00:55:16.800 He said it was hard, but they were making progress?

00:55:19.140 Yes.

00:55:19.840 Did he tell you anything about whether or not you and your brother were going to get

00:55:22.900 any money?

00:55:24.180 Uh, he said he was hoping.

00:55:27.360 Did he give you an idea?

00:55:28.340 Like, hey, it's hard, but we're making progress, bro.

00:55:31.340 Uh, you know, we're going to, we're going to get that money.

00:55:33.960 Stop the cap.

00:55:35.400 Any idea of the amount?

00:55:37.280 Uh, if I remember correctly, one time he's been trying to get each of you, at least $100,000

00:55:41.720 a piece.

00:55:42.580 Each of each of you, you and your brother?

00:55:44.540 Yes.

00:55:45.080 Okay.

00:55:46.280 Um, at some point in time, did your family advise you that there was some media reporting

00:55:50.320 about a settlement in the case?

00:55:52.200 Yes.

00:55:53.260 All right.

00:55:53.600 And at that time, had you heard anything from Alec or Corey or Chad or anybody about a settlement

00:55:57.920 in the case?

00:55:58.620 No.

00:55:59.480 All right.

00:55:59.840 And what, if anything, did you do after your family?

00:56:02.560 Did they ask you to do anything?

00:56:04.000 Uh, yeah.

00:56:04.500 They said you might want to kind of follow up on it and kind of see.

00:56:07.940 And did you make a phone call to Alec?

00:56:09.860 Uh, yes.

00:56:11.220 All right.

00:56:11.580 And what month was that in?

00:56:14.280 Uh, I believe the last time I talked to Alec was in June of 21.

00:56:17.420 June of 21?

00:56:18.340 Yes.

00:56:19.580 Around the time of the murders?

00:56:20.980 Yes.

00:56:21.900 And what did you ask him?

00:56:22.880 Uh, I can't believe what I asked him, but, um, it was still making progress and be ready

00:56:28.620 to settle, you know, by the end of the year.

00:56:31.260 He told you it was still making progress and you was hoping to settle by the end of the

00:56:34.500 year?

00:56:34.720 Yes.

00:56:36.020 Stop the cap.

00:56:37.560 Did he tell you that they had already gotten a settlement for $505,000?

00:56:41.620 No.

00:56:42.480 Did he tell you that they had already gotten a settlement for $3.8 million?

00:56:48.640 No.

00:56:48.880 Did he ever tell you that there was an umbrella policy for $5 million?

00:56:56.800 No.

00:56:57.340 Did he ever mention to you anything about forge?

00:57:02.060 No.

00:57:02.980 Did he mention anything to you about structuring any settlement?

00:57:07.680 No.

00:57:09.320 Did he give him permission to steal your money?

00:57:12.440 No.

00:57:12.780 Boom, Bokka!

00:57:20.040 Ultimately, in the wake of all of this, you've come to find out that there was a settlement

00:57:26.020 for $505,000, correct?

00:57:28.500 Yes.

00:57:29.380 And it was diverted by Alec Murdoch, correct?

00:57:31.420 Yes.

00:57:32.960 Boom, Bokka!

00:57:34.140 And ultimately, you've come to find out that there was a settlement under the umbrella policy

00:57:37.840 for $3.8 million, is that correct?

00:57:40.820 Yes.

00:57:41.040 Or thereabouts, correct?

00:57:42.120 Yes.

00:57:42.960 And a large portion of that was diverted by Alec Murdoch, is that right?

00:57:46.500 Yes.

00:57:47.540 Boom, Bokka!

00:57:49.660 Did you ever get one cent from Alec Murdoch when he was still, before all of this happened?

00:57:57.260 No.

00:57:58.980 Boom, Bokka!

00:58:00.180 They took after this happening and took a legal process for that to happen, is that right?

00:58:04.100 Yes.

00:58:04.300 And ultimately, is it your understanding that he confessed judgment to taking money for

00:58:08.940 both of those, is that right?

00:58:09.980 In June of 2021, you made a call to him asking the status of this case, is that correct?

00:58:15.900 I can't remember if he called me or if I called him, but yes, I talked to him in June of 2021.

00:58:19.440 You talked to him in June of 2021?

00:58:20.920 Yes.

00:58:22.040 And there were reports in the media about that settlement, correct?

00:58:24.840 Yes.

00:58:25.120 Thank you.

00:58:29.960 Thank you.

00:58:30.660 And please answer any questions in the defense house, okay?

00:58:32.680 Bro, W prosecutor.

00:58:38.940 Yo!

00:58:39.500 What the hell?

00:58:43.180 My man was robbing everybody clean.

00:58:45.680 He was taking money from the law firm.

00:58:48.300 He was taking money from his dead housekeeper's son.

00:58:54.120 Settlement money.

00:58:54.800 Say who was going to represent him?

00:58:56.280 My man was stealing all kinds of money.

00:58:59.160 Yo!

00:59:01.360 Holy!

00:59:02.600 All right.

00:59:02.940 Now we're going to get into the 911 call of him trying to fake his own...

00:59:09.500 Murder slash shooting.

00:59:10.900 Okay, guys?

00:59:12.120 It gets crazier, all right?

00:59:14.080 I feel like I'm doing an infomercial here, but, you know, it's like, but wait!

00:59:18.180 There's more!

00:59:21.400 Yeah, bro.

00:59:22.460 Holy.

00:59:29.460 Okay, 911, where's your emergency?

00:59:32.340 On Salkahatchie Road.

00:59:35.060 Okay, what's the address on Salkahatchie Road?

00:59:37.740 I'm by the church.

00:59:39.900 What church?

00:59:44.080 What church are you talking about?

00:59:45.540 Look how calm he is, guys, right?

00:59:48.760 He's very calm and speaking kind of low for someone who's about to say what he's about to tell y'all here in a second.

00:59:54.320 Man, I was going to say this.

00:59:56.300 I don't know the name of it with the red roof.

01:00:00.420 Okay, what end of Salkahatchie Road?

01:00:05.840 Because I don't know what you're talking about.

01:00:08.060 At the Hampton County side.

01:00:14.680 Okay, what's going on?

01:00:16.780 I got a flat tire, and I stopped, and somebody stopped to help me.

01:00:23.820 And when I turned my back, they tried to shoot me.

01:00:28.160 What?

01:00:28.420 They tried to shoot me.

01:00:30.640 What the fuck?

01:00:31.180 Oh, okay.

01:00:33.020 Were you shot?

01:00:34.420 Yes.

01:00:35.300 But I mean, I'm okay.

01:00:37.160 You shot where?

01:00:38.280 Where were you shot at?

01:00:41.640 Huh?

01:00:42.820 Did they actually shoot you?

01:00:44.360 They tried to shoot you.

01:00:45.700 They shot me.

01:00:47.560 Okay.

01:00:48.480 Wait.

01:00:48.880 You need EMS?

01:00:51.280 Well, I mean, yes.

01:00:53.360 I mean, yes.

01:00:55.240 Okay.

01:00:56.240 And I'm bleeding a lot.

01:00:58.640 Yo, like, yo.

01:01:00.700 Good shot, but I'm like, okay.

01:01:02.500 You are changing your tire, doing whatever the hell he's claiming that he's doing on the side of the road.

01:01:06.180 And someone shoots you in the back, and then they run away, and you're bleeding.

01:01:10.560 Would you be calling 911 all calm like, yeah, you know, I think I need help.

01:01:17.680 I think someone shot me and ran.

01:01:19.640 I'm bleeding a lot.

01:01:21.300 Yeah.

01:01:21.600 Can y'all send somebody out here and help me out?

01:01:23.640 Like, no.

01:01:23.960 You'd be like, yo, I got shot.

01:01:26.160 I need help.

01:01:26.720 You'd be frantic.

01:01:27.680 Yeah.

01:01:28.260 Right?

01:01:29.000 Like, what the hell is this, bro?

01:01:30.840 I got shot.

01:01:31.820 I mean, I'm okay, but I'm bleeding.

01:01:35.140 So, yeah.

01:01:36.260 Hurry up, please.

01:01:37.420 Like, what the hell, bro?

01:01:40.620 So, yeah.

01:01:41.420 And this happened, guys.

01:01:42.200 You can see, three months after, right, the murders back in June of 2021.

01:01:47.680 What part of your body?

01:01:50.020 Uh, I'm not sure.

01:01:51.400 Somewhere on my head.

01:01:53.080 Your head?

01:01:53.520 He's gaming.

01:01:54.340 Somebody just stop for me, ma'am.

01:01:56.300 Um, for 911.

01:01:58.500 Okay.

01:01:59.640 Still?

01:02:00.320 Hey.

01:02:01.020 Okay, let me speak to him.

01:02:02.660 See if he can tell me exactly where you are.

01:02:04.580 Where are we talking at you, brother?

01:02:06.180 Right here by the church.

01:02:07.900 Is that church?

01:02:09.380 I can run up there.

01:02:10.460 Okay.

01:02:12.260 Red, you can run up there.

01:02:13.200 Yeah, hurry, please.

01:02:14.360 Uh-huh.

01:02:14.640 Okay, about two miles from the pedestrian road there.

01:02:20.760 Okay, and what's your name?

01:02:22.280 I'm still here.

01:02:23.020 I'm going to stay on the line with you.

01:02:24.860 What's your name?

01:02:26.260 Alex Murdoch.

01:02:30.180 Alex Murdoch?

01:02:31.580 Yes, ma'am.

01:02:33.080 And you see you were driving.

01:02:34.160 You got a flat tire.

01:02:35.120 Somebody stopped to help you, and they shot you?

01:02:37.780 Well, they pulled over.

01:02:38.820 Yes, ma'am.

01:02:39.220 Like they were going to help me.

01:02:40.400 Okay, stay on the line with me.

01:02:46.000 We're going to get some.

01:02:46.980 I'm bleeding pretty bad.

01:02:48.560 Okay.

01:02:49.540 Stay on the line with you.

01:02:50.220 John's missionary church.

01:02:51.540 St. John's missionary church?

01:02:53.680 Yes, ma'am.

01:02:55.520 Okay.

01:02:57.840 And can you give me a description of the person that shot you or shot at you?

01:03:02.480 Yes, ma'am.

01:03:03.440 I mean, it was a...

01:03:07.400 Okay.

01:03:08.380 Notice the pausing.

01:03:09.320 He don't really know.

01:03:11.000 He's like, wait, hold on.

01:03:11.860 I have my back to him.

01:03:13.560 So how am I going to say this without implicating the person that I hired to do this, but at

01:03:20.960 the same time come off as believable, and you guys can see it right now, you know, that

01:03:25.740 Perk Hatton, he's trying to figure out how he's going to do this.

01:03:28.520 A white fella.

01:03:29.460 I'd say a white male, a fair amount younger than me, really, really short hair.

01:03:41.660 Do you have an ambulance coming in?

01:03:47.340 Yes, sir.

01:03:48.200 Yes, sir.

01:03:50.340 Stay on the line.

01:03:51.300 I got them on the way.

01:03:53.480 You think one of y'all can drive me to the hospital?

01:03:55.300 Yes, sir.

01:03:57.340 You want to get the truck, though, because I got a baby.

01:03:59.680 I need you on the back.

01:04:02.660 One of y'all can get in this car and drive me?

01:04:04.660 Yes, sir.

01:04:05.360 I can.

01:04:06.120 They're going to drive me to the hospital.

01:04:12.300 Ma'am?

01:04:12.700 Ridiculousness, guys.

01:04:20.140 Ma'am?

01:04:20.920 Can you try to imitate that accent?

01:04:23.680 Ma'am?

01:04:24.680 I'm still here.

01:04:25.460 No.

01:04:25.780 They're on the way.

01:04:27.040 Don't hang out.

01:04:30.380 I'm going to shine the head.

01:04:32.420 I don't know from where, but I'm bleeding a lot.

01:04:35.500 Help me.

01:04:37.280 Even though I staged this with my friend for insurance money.

01:04:42.700 I robbed my dead housekeeper's son blind, but I need more money to fuel this addiction.

01:04:51.860 I killed my family, but I need some help right now, bitch.

01:05:00.440 All right.

01:05:01.240 All right.

01:05:01.300 All right.

01:05:01.640 All right.

01:05:01.880 We got to be professional.

01:05:03.180 Keep going.

01:05:05.900 That was hilarious.

01:05:08.100 Yo, man.

01:05:11.400 Yo, that's it.

01:05:12.180 My manager said there on the lot.

01:05:13.780 Yo, the operator, like, what's going on?

01:05:15.660 Is it cranked?

01:05:16.680 Yeah.

01:05:17.120 It should be cranked.

01:05:18.020 Isn't it?

01:05:18.300 It should be cranked.

01:05:22.120 Okay.

01:05:23.560 Okay.

01:05:23.840 Now it is.

01:05:24.680 Bitch, my hair bleeding.

01:05:26.280 Number one, where's your emergency?

01:05:28.220 Yes, ma'am.

01:05:28.580 I lost you.

01:05:29.460 This young lady is driving me to the hospital.

01:05:32.440 She's carrying you.

01:05:33.760 Y'all bitch-ass niggas too slow.

01:05:35.940 She's driving me to the hospital.

01:05:37.420 To the hospital?

01:05:38.720 Yes, ma'am.

01:05:40.020 Okay.

01:05:40.760 And who is this?

01:05:43.360 This is Alec Murdoch.

01:05:44.700 I was on the phone a minute ago.

01:05:46.540 Okay.

01:05:47.300 All right.

01:05:48.600 He said there's somebody taking him to the hospital.

01:05:55.400 Okay.

01:05:55.760 Oh, you know what?

01:05:57.640 We got a flat tire.

01:05:58.680 We got to see 10 times.

01:06:00.580 Ma'am, I need the ambulance.

01:06:02.280 You need the ambulance?

01:06:03.360 Okay.

01:06:03.760 Are you still in the same location?

01:06:06.480 Yes, ma'am.

01:06:08.000 Okay.

01:06:08.520 Which way are y'all heading?

01:06:12.240 Are y'all driving down the road?

01:06:16.900 No, ma'am.

01:06:17.560 I got a flat tire.

01:06:20.360 Okay.

01:06:20.900 All right.

01:06:21.500 Sit tight right there, okay?

01:06:23.940 We got a flat tire unit.

01:06:26.640 Okay.

01:06:29.080 All right.

01:06:30.720 Simple.

01:06:31.120 Get on the call.

01:06:31.940 And then call.

01:06:32.520 And then call.

01:06:33.060 And then call.

01:06:33.160 1075.

01:06:34.640 One call to see the mail.

01:06:36.100 So you're in the mail.

01:06:38.000 Ma'am?

01:06:38.280 Okay.

01:06:38.860 Yes, sir.

01:06:39.380 We're still here.

01:06:40.440 We're still here.

01:06:41.060 Hold on.

01:06:41.440 We're dispatching.

01:06:43.140 Ma'am.

01:06:43.840 Giving them information.

01:06:45.580 Where...

01:06:45.900 Where are you at?

01:06:48.500 I told you like three times, bitch.

01:06:54.020 Get your ass over here and help me out.

01:06:56.840 I'm bleeding.

01:06:59.000 All right.

01:06:59.360 Now they're...

01:06:59.680 Fucking idiots.

01:07:01.720 Okay.

01:07:02.360 So which way are y'all traveling?

01:07:06.840 We're coming down South Hatchie Road to the Hanson Hospital.

01:07:09.340 Bitch, I'm going to the hospital.

01:07:10.360 There's only one.

01:07:12.480 Ma'am?

01:07:12.960 Y'all coming down South Hatchie Road to your...

01:07:16.140 To the hospital?

01:07:18.460 Yes, ma'am.

01:07:19.500 Okay.

01:07:20.360 They're...

01:07:20.820 They sit...

01:07:25.820 They said that they're coming down...

01:07:28.580 They're coming down South Hatchie Road heading towards the hospital.

01:07:32.380 Yo, L-9-1-1 dispatchers...

01:07:33.720 We're going to keep EMS en route to you, okay?

01:07:36.360 Okay.

01:07:38.020 Are you coming off of Walterburg Highway?

01:07:40.000 Uh, we'll be at Walterburg Highway in 10 minutes or so.

01:07:47.180 They said in about 10 minutes they said they'll be at Walterburg Highway.

01:07:50.980 Mm-hmm.

01:07:53.300 Bitch, I got to be on the highway on my own because you can't get an ambulance to me.

01:07:58.280 What the hell going on over here?

01:07:59.860 What kind of vehicle are you in?

01:08:01.480 A white, um...

01:08:03.320 Nissan Rogue.

01:08:05.940 It's a white Nissan Rogue.

01:08:07.960 Bitch, I'm about to embezzle from 911 at this.

01:08:10.000 At this point?

01:08:11.160 They're clear to your right.

01:08:13.660 This is ridiculous.

01:08:18.100 Victor.

01:08:20.060 Bro, all I'm going to say is none of y'all better get injured in South Carolina in this area.

01:08:24.520 Holy!

01:08:25.480 You ain't getting no help, bro.

01:08:27.780 It's going to be a...

01:08:28.820 Fatality.

01:08:29.940 For you if you get caught in this area, call 911, bro.

01:08:32.440 Could you imagine if you really got shot in the head and you out here, uh, I need some help.

01:08:36.840 Well, we're going to send an ambulance to you.

01:08:39.640 Okay, we're going to get one out there.

01:08:41.720 Next thing you know...

01:08:42.460 Denied!

01:08:44.380 And you're going to meet your maker, bro.

01:08:48.900 It's fucking done for you, my friend.

01:08:53.060 Satan's going to pull you into the hell like...

01:08:54.880 Get over here!

01:08:55.880 Bruh.

01:09:03.180 Bitch, I'm dying!

01:09:07.100 Okay, you still with me?

01:09:09.180 No!

01:09:10.800 Alright, you still with us?

01:09:12.960 Yes, ma'am.

01:09:13.940 Okay.

01:09:14.920 Alright, we're going to hold on to the line.

01:09:17.460 Where did it...

01:09:17.880 Bro, if you really got shot in the head and you had been bleeding as much as he's claiming,

01:09:25.800 you would have been passed out by now.

01:09:27.360 Like, you would have been done.

01:09:28.560 We've been on this call for, what, seven minutes now?

01:09:30.900 Bruh.

01:09:33.040 Yo, you would have been dead by now.

01:09:35.880 You know what I mean?

01:09:36.480 Gone.

01:09:36.840 L911 Dispatch.

01:09:45.860 Anyone that lives in this area, South Carolina, y'all better never call 911, bro.

01:09:50.920 Y'all better off again on a fucking horse and get into that.

01:09:53.960 Ask me on your own if you know what I'm saying.

01:09:56.320 You said horse.

01:09:56.940 Yo, you better get on a fucking horse and go there yourself.

01:09:59.760 This shit is trash, bro.

01:10:01.180 Excuse me.

01:10:01.860 You're getting a fucking horse.

01:10:04.040 Hey, we're still here.

01:10:05.400 We're still here.

01:10:06.100 Hold.

01:10:06.840 Even Alex, man, right now.

01:10:08.600 Yes, sir.

01:10:08.820 Hold on just one moment.

01:10:10.220 I can't even plot a suicide attempt.

01:10:12.440 You fucking trashed 911 Dispatchers.

01:10:15.460 All right.

01:10:15.700 We got their head, not their toes.

01:10:18.760 You, okay?

01:10:19.600 Because you made a person getting...

01:10:21.340 Bro.

01:10:22.600 What the fuck, man?

01:10:24.040 That was easy.

01:10:28.260 Someone said the Dispatch was eating Taco Bell in between.

01:10:34.920 Bro.

01:10:35.320 Bro, this is craziness.

01:10:41.700 Someone said, Totec said, I live in South Carolina.

01:10:44.100 Do I got a chance?

01:10:44.760 No, bro.

01:10:45.200 With this type of 911, you ain't got no chance.

01:10:48.640 Vincent, man.

01:10:49.360 No chance.

01:10:50.680 You're heading down the road?

01:10:51.560 Go by a horse.

01:10:53.900 Definitely.

01:10:54.580 Yeah.

01:10:54.860 Mr. Murdoch?

01:10:55.940 Yes, ma'am.

01:10:56.840 Okay.

01:10:57.160 Y'all still heading down the road?

01:10:59.200 Yes, ma'am.

01:11:00.000 Okay.

01:11:02.240 Bitch, because I don't got an ambulance.

01:11:03.820 I'm heading down the road with this random stranger.

01:11:06.420 And what's a good callback for you, Mr. Murdoch?

01:11:08.980 We're at Leipzig Crossroads now.

01:11:11.940 You're at Leipzig Crossroads now?

01:11:17.360 Bro.

01:11:22.920 No.

01:11:25.440 No, no, no.

01:11:26.500 Okay, Mr. Murdoch, hold on tight for me, okay?

01:11:29.980 Hold on?

01:11:31.540 Bruh!

01:11:32.680 We've been nine minutes and 30 seconds into this call, bro.

01:11:36.860 Yo, if he really had gotten shot, he would be gone.

01:11:40.220 And y'all on Wiltshire Highway?

01:11:42.680 Yes, ma'am.

01:11:43.240 Okay.

01:11:44.160 This is the most ridiculous 911 call I've ever heard.

01:11:50.500 Yo, we're dead at this point.

01:11:52.160 Yes.

01:11:52.760 We're seriously dead.

01:11:55.620 Like, yo, it's a wrap.

01:11:57.860 It's over.

01:11:59.000 That was easy.

01:11:59.900 He dead.

01:12:00.280 We're on Wiltshire Highway in a white Nissan Rogue.

01:12:05.500 White Nissan Rogue.

01:12:07.940 Is the flashers on?

01:12:09.260 I'm speeding it up for y'all.

01:12:20.300 Yo, still 17.

01:12:21.060 Do you have your flashers on on the vehicle?

01:12:23.200 Is the flashers on?

01:12:24.200 Is the flashers on?

01:12:26.520 Yes.

01:12:27.420 Yes.

01:12:28.480 Hotel 12.

01:12:29.440 Yes, bitch, find me.

01:12:31.880 That guy's shooting in.

01:12:34.240 They're on Wiltshire Highway.

01:12:36.740 We see the ambulance, so we can pull over.

01:12:39.260 Yo, it took them 10 minutes and 53 seconds to see the ambulance, bro.

01:12:44.080 They are pulling over.

01:12:45.380 They see the ENF.

01:12:49.660 Okay, do you all stop?

01:12:52.560 I see them.

01:12:54.080 You're at Walterburg Highway?

01:12:55.220 And where?

01:12:55.960 They're here.

01:12:56.600 Okay.

01:13:01.300 Bro, L Dispatch.

01:13:03.440 Took them 11 minutes to find them.

01:13:05.060 And here's the thing.

01:13:05.860 Guys, this is rural South Carolina.

01:13:08.040 Ain't none out there.

01:13:09.400 If you guys know what I'm saying, like, what the hell is this, bro?

01:13:13.200 Trash.

01:13:14.000 Literally, L 911.

01:13:18.240 All I got to say after that, bro, is guys, do not get caught out in South Carolina on your

01:13:23.360 own, because you are definitely going to die, okay?

01:13:27.560 Now, here is a scheme played out in court, guys.

01:13:30.060 I'm going to fast forward through this so you guys get the most pertinent stuff, okay?

01:13:35.560 Oh, hold on.

01:13:36.540 It's muted.

01:13:38.860 I told him that things are getting ready to get really bad.

01:13:55.940 Okay.

01:13:57.280 10-12.

01:13:58.840 Okay.

01:13:59.280 I don't know what he said.

01:14:01.880 I don't.

01:14:02.400 Do you remember what you told him?

01:14:04.480 No, sir.

01:14:05.840 And this is when you were in the hospital in Savannah?

01:14:07.840 No, this is when I was in detox here.

01:14:12.220 Okay.

01:14:12.620 So you've called him since you went, because you wanted to, we need to worry about for buster

01:14:15.860 you, so your son would then reap the insurance benefits.

01:14:20.840 And, and, and, and, and, and, and.

01:14:22.140 Yeah.

01:14:22.180 Okay.

01:14:23.680 Statutory ban on any suicide exclusion.

01:14:27.180 In other words, if you've had the policy word two years, the, uh, you can commit suicide

01:14:32.440 and still collect.

01:14:34.220 okay so this that's not now what he thought it really doesn't matter but he may have thought

01:14:41.100 yeah there's been a problem okay but you still entered into an agreement basically to have him

01:14:47.340 kill you uh so your son would then reap the insurance benefits and yeah okay okay is that

01:14:55.820 yes sir um so basically guys what ended up happening was he staged okay himself getting

01:15:10.380 killed in this case so that the insurance money would go to his son buster his oldest son who's

01:15:15.580 still alive i think he's right here you guys can see in the back on this side right here where i'm

01:15:20.860 uh circling he also has red hair okay so that was a scheme he was trying to do and he plotted it with

01:15:27.420 his drug dealer friend i didn't end up working because as you guys can see here l911 and uh

01:15:34.300 l murda acting skills all right yeah so now we're gonna fast forward guys

01:15:42.780 to the day of the murder okay now before i go into the actual murder itself and we go over the evidence

01:15:48.220 of that uh you know i'll do a quick little recap but before i do the recap i'm going to read some

01:15:54.220 of these chats that came in because they're piling up so i'll go through them very nice and quickly

01:15:58.540 uh keep this thing uh nice and nice and organized okay time stamps will be up by the way as well where

01:16:04.220 i'm going to go and break down each chapter for y'all good podcast and more vlogs why do political

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01:16:30.700 uh sinko stop giving angie the sudanese stick and get to work uh thanks sinko uh not today though

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01:17:03.900 right well we needed to talk a little bit here guys sneko taking a beating online what's your thoughts

01:17:08.700 on what happened uh sneko is more relevant than all of his haters and he's banned off of youtube

01:17:14.060 that tells you guys what you need to know there's channels that are a lot bigger than him piling on

01:17:20.300 talking smack when the man is canceled if that doesn't prove that he's more relevant than they are

01:17:24.860 i don't know what else does uh z hawaiian off topic but what are the grooming standards for an 1811

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01:18:24.940 uh i gotta get the documents for it uh hey myron i'm a 26 year old criminal justice major

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01:19:12.700 we're number one in medical psychology i think we're like number two or number three in dating now medical

01:19:16.860 psychology yeah medical like sexuality intersexual dynamics sexology yeah sexology uh sinko uh angie

01:19:25.660 stop talking over myron you're messing up the audio yeah she's good bro don't worry sorry jerome

01:19:29.180 sartori shooter interview was fired thank you for all you do myron stay strapped and be careful my

01:19:32.620 brother the other side will continue to demonize and suppress the message free the tates absolutely

01:19:35.900 for the tates man we all know they're innocent shout out to sartorial shooter as well that was one of

01:19:39.340 my favorite interviews to do uh plumber mike five bucks appreciate that adam russell russell 39 goes big

01:19:45.100 brother myron when you're going to do an episode about quit prawn and no fap it's so important i'm

01:19:50.620 already quit and that bad habit i feel good not lazy yeah we could do an episode on that jerry choy

01:19:56.940 fit just told me not to donate to the channel i don't know what to do at this point thank you

01:20:00.940 uh shout out to joe jr cho choy i used to work at alvin as uh glenn detention center when he was there

01:20:08.300 and trust me this dude was definitely detoxing in jail it was a full switch from day he was first got there

01:20:13.420 to now okay uh ja rule voice it's murder oh i see what okay bro that was

01:20:22.460 um and nason john christina for the streets no comment uh tags the beast what are we getting

01:20:29.740 next credit episode uh not tomorrow guys because we got waka flocka in the house tomorrow shout out to

01:20:34.620 fresh for making that happen uh so we're not gonna uh have a credit episode next monday uh or tomorrow

01:20:41.580 but we will have a credit episode coming up all right so a quick recap uh we're hour 20 in guys

01:20:48.620 so i'm gonna give you all a quick recap of what went down so far because we're gonna get into the

01:20:51.740 murder now and uh like i said before after this is all done timestamps will be below nice and detail

01:20:56.460 free out to skip around and get whatever this is going to be the definitive murder case breakdown for

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01:21:56.300 every video we do he sits in that chair right for almost like an hour and a half doing the time

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01:22:46.060 ask all right all right so let's go ahead and recap

01:22:51.020 so we covered a bunch of different things here guys on this podcast we started first

01:22:54.780 with the uh the murdoff family background okay who they are how they run the southern part of south

01:23:01.260 carolina then we went into uh describing their history right i showed you guys the photograph of the

01:23:07.420 family uh that were involved in the strategy obviously got alex murdoch the murderer convicted

01:23:12.300 murderer at this point the son paul right who also was involved in killing someone and maggie

01:23:17.580 all right who may or may not been involved in her housekeeper's death then we went into the history

01:23:21.740 then we went to the death of mallory beach okay then we which was the boat accident that paul

01:23:27.180 murdoch was involved in drive operating the boat drunk uh and then we went into uh murdoch

01:23:33.580 embezzling money from his law firm then we went into murdoch stealing money from his deceased

01:23:40.140 housekeeper's son that he promised to represent and get the money to then we went into the bizarre 9-1-1

01:23:47.580 call that he made after staging an attempted hit so that he can collect money from life insurance for

01:23:56.460 his oldest son buster who is still alive then now this brings us to the day of the murder

01:24:03.020 in early june of 2021 and i showed you guys all this to set the stage to put you guys

01:24:08.300 kind of in the man's shoes as to why he did all these crazy things uh all the crazy things that led

01:24:15.420 up to him killing his son and his wife because at face value you look at it like yo why would this dude

01:24:20.700 do this but now you can see a deranged man a desperate man a man sinking from financial stress

01:24:28.060 sinking from lying sinking from stealing money sinking from drug use drug abuse etc okay he's

01:24:36.380 not acting in his rational mind now let's go ahead into the crime scene please hurry we're getting

01:24:45.020 somebody out there to you carlton county sheriff's office deputy daniel green was the first to arrive

01:24:54.780 on the scene at moselle got a whiskey fox whiskey mike both gunshot wounds to the head maggie and paul are

01:25:02.300 clearly dead he sees alec murdoch standing there as well in a t-shirt and shorts alec murdoch is

01:25:10.700 extremely pay attention to what he's wearing guys white t-shirt and shorts which is going to conflict

01:25:15.180 with what he was wearing earlier in the day upset he is beside himself he seems anxious he seems

01:25:24.700 distraught he was pacing quite a bit he was also asking green whether they were dead did you check

01:25:32.060 them the we got medical guys that are that that's that's that's what they're gonna do okay what are

01:25:37.340 they doing can they hurt they are yes sir evidence at the scene suggested that paul was and that blurred

01:25:43.900 area that you guys saw is where the bodies were uh with a shotgun and maggie was shot with a rifle

01:25:50.300 so that's very important to note guys two different weapons were used okay in this uh murder they were

01:26:00.940 both murders uh more murder i i can't even say the last name they were both like they were the owners

01:26:08.620 of the of the guns yes yes which they never found the guns by the way once sled arrives agents start to

01:26:17.660 process the scene meanwhile the lead age sled guys is the south carolina law enforcement um division

01:26:24.460 okay that is the state of south carolina's um main state agency that does big cases like this think of

01:26:32.620 them as south carolina's fbi and wants to talk to alec murdoch to find out what happened and he agrees to

01:26:39.180 be interviewed just stupid but he obviously has to give a statement because if he says i invoke my right to

01:26:47.260 silence or i don't want to talk to y'all what are they going to assume oh you're guilty bro

01:26:55.740 so you got here a deputy sheriff right here uh this guy plainclothes he's he might be a work for the

01:27:02.700 sheriff's office as well and then you got the sled agent here and in this case sled is probably going

01:27:07.980 to take lead and sled investigators are named sled special agents very similar to fbi or dea or whatever

01:27:14.540 but they're state law enforcement officers because this is a murder guys feds don't typically do murder

01:27:19.180 cases unless it's tied to some type of federal crime like a racketeering gang activity something like that

01:27:24.620 start the top take your time um like when i came back here i mean i pulled up and i could see him

01:27:31.820 and you know i knew something was bad i ran out i knew it was really bad

01:27:39.580 my boy over there i could see it was

01:27:48.300 hi everyone george stephanopoulos here thanks for checking out the abc news you

01:27:51.580 all right so as y'all can see obviously very poor acting right so now we're going to go ahead into

01:27:59.180 the evidence that was found at the crime scene okay

01:28:05.500 there were a significant significant number of particles uh of particles characteristic of gunshot

01:28:11.580 primer residue on the inside of this jacket yes gunshot residue on the inside of a rain jacket

01:28:16.700 does it tie alec murdoch to the murders of his wife and son

01:28:23.660 i'm anjanette levy and welcome to law and crime sidebar podcast

01:28:27.580 on tuesday jurors and alec murdoch's double murder trial heard for the first time

01:28:32.460 about his theft from his law firm and clients he's charged with a number of financial crimes

01:28:38.380 as we've been telling you around 99 or so on 99 financial crimes

01:28:44.140 boomba card holy tuesday the chief financial officer for his former law firm testified about

01:28:51.740 confronting murdoch on june 7th 2021 about 792 000 in missing fees from a lawsuit that had settled

01:29:00.780 with another firm hours later paul and maggie murdoch were murdered jeannie seconder went through a

01:29:06.620 number of checks she found that murdoch had deposited for himself and we have the what's

01:29:12.860 this right here that is the date of the check where the funds were stolen from right and then right here

01:29:22.140 that's the client name all right and then right here that's what we call the civil action number

01:29:27.740 if it's been filed within the court all right and then the category is what type that he did most

01:29:34.140 of them are forged payments or you see a couple other took insurance so it's he had a few methods

01:29:40.780 all right and then over here is that when y'all had to pay the money back yes so for each one of

01:29:47.020 these the money that was stolen all the partners got together and had to put the money back into client

01:29:52.460 trust and we went through and corrected and met with every client and distributed money back to them

01:29:59.820 that's an ongoing basis still going on for all these clients you had to pay the law firm had to

01:30:06.780 pay money back the partners came up with money and paid all the all the clients back and why did y'all

01:30:12.140 have to pay all that money back because alec had stolen it jeannie seconder who's known alec murdoch for

01:30:19.660 40 years also opined on his skills as a lawyer using some pretty colorful language what were your

01:30:27.100 observations of him as a lawyer i think alec um was successful more not from his work ethic but from

01:30:36.620 his ability to establish relationships and to to manipulate people into i guess he got 99 problems but

01:30:46.940 his family at one oh my god bro boom booker supplements and clients into liking him um

01:30:57.260 so he did it through the article basically

01:31:02.300 that can be an art uh did he he's just like yo you bitch he literally is like bro if i ever get my

01:31:10.060 hands on my hands on my hands on you fatality you know in the back of his mind he wants to hit her with

01:31:13.900 the get over here the next thing you know that sound comes on

01:31:19.820 then he hits it with the

01:31:20.940 oh you can then the

01:31:22.940 oh you can then the

01:31:23.900 then the panic boom next thing you know perfect and then

01:31:32.300 that's what he's thinking in his head right now he wants to end her bro what is going on in your

01:31:36.460 estimation in your judgment was he more of a technical type lawyer or is he one that really

01:31:40.780 understood how to use the emotion of a case he would use the emotion of a case and the

01:31:46.060 and the emotion of his clients so genie seconder basically said that alec murdoch was a bs artist

01:31:53.580 on cross-examination alec murdoch's lawyer jim griffin reminded seconder that this trial

01:31:59.580 is actually about the murders of maggie and paul and pointed out she may have some bias

01:32:06.060 and we're not here today to try those charges on the financial crime now this is the defense

01:32:11.020 guys now the defense's job guys is to deflect okay the defense their job isn't to prove that

01:32:15.820 the guy's innocent they're there to prove that the prosecution can't prove that he's guilty which

01:32:21.980 is a big difference the burden of performance is always on the prosecution to prove that the

01:32:27.100 the subject is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt so the uh the defense is coming in to just muddy the

01:32:34.220 waters a bit and create a little bit of doubt so that their client can get off which is what he's

01:32:38.380 doing right now saying yo this ain't a financial case this is a murder case what is the relevancy of

01:32:43.180 this which is you know typical that a defense attorney would do this we're here you understand you're

01:32:48.940 testifying because he's been charged with the murder of his wife maggie and his son paul

01:32:57.100 and they were murdered on june 7th 2021 yes sir now some of these it looks like according to um your

01:33:09.740 testimony that this misconduct has been going on since as early as 2011 unfortunately when we found that

01:33:21.180 out right so some my man was stealing money for over 10 years wow 10 years before the murders of maggie

01:33:31.100 and paul correct that's correct he managed to fool a lot of people myself included i understand and

01:33:38.220 i understand you have the right to be very hurt and angry about that and and are you hurt and angry

01:33:43.260 about that oh yes i take it very personally it haunts me that i let this or that this happened

01:33:51.020 you feel like it happened on your watch and i think anybody feel normal feeling like that

01:33:55.900 and guys i want to make a distinction because some of you guys are saying yo leading questions blah blah

01:33:59.020 blah so when you're on when you're on direct right right there's two types of testimony that you're

01:34:07.100 going to give you're going to be on direct examination and uh cross-examination when you're on direct

01:34:13.500 right let's say i'm the agent right i'm the law enforcement officer and the prosecution is asking

01:34:18.780 me questions we're on the same team so he asked me more open-ended questions agent what is your name

01:34:26.060 blah blah blah what is your duties what are your uh what's your title what's your duties how long you've

01:34:30.300 been on the job okay what's your expertise etc then they go into the questioning right because they have

01:34:34.860 to establish that you are qualified to talk about and testify about whatever the hell you're going

01:34:38.140 to talk about especially if you're a subject matter expert aka an sme right then they ask you questions

01:34:43.500 like um uh what happened on such and such day and then bam you kind of go through the facts of the case

01:34:49.580 they don't really stop you too much they might uh interject here to maybe get you to clarify

01:34:53.660 something whatever but y'all are friendly so you guys are working together to ask you um open any questions

01:34:59.740 now when you're on cross okay the ops are questioning you okay so in this case i'm the agent the defense

01:35:07.900 comes after me now the defense is going to ask me questions typically in a yes or no fashion it's not

01:35:13.980 open-ended why do they do that well they do it to put you in a situation where you might answer something

01:35:20.060 and make you look stupid i'll give you an example okay i remember back in the day when i was an agent

01:35:24.540 all right they would ask me questions agent funnel right i've already been doxed at this point so who

01:35:32.460 cares is it true that you've lied in the past okay and that's kind of an open-ended question and you'd

01:35:40.860 be like you know you could say something funny never under oath right ha ha or something like that or

01:35:46.540 have you ever told a lie before well you obviously have to say yeah but right because no one is perfect

01:35:52.140 everyone has lied before right and then they'll ask you questions like that to make you look bad

01:35:57.980 right because their job is to attack the credibility of the prosecution and the investigating officers

01:36:05.020 agents whatever it may be so under on a cross-examination they kind of try to paint you in a

01:36:11.100 corner and ask you yes or no questions all right and then it's back right on the prosecution a lot of

01:36:17.500 times they'll come back and they'll save it uh on the redirect or whatever it may be but that's why

01:36:21.820 he's asking questions like this because obviously this woman the cfo here is the prosecution's

01:36:27.100 witness so the defense is asking her uh uh how do i say this questions that would paint her more in a

01:36:33.820 corner to attack her credibility and to make the defendant look less uh less culpable all right so

01:36:41.660 that's that's what it is when it comes that's the difference between direct examination versus uh cross

01:36:47.180 examination cross-examination you're being questioned by the ops okay to keep it nice and simple uh and

01:36:53.740 then direct examination you're being questioned by your team the big betrayal of trust next up was

01:37:03.020 ronnie crosby he you'll like the video by the way ain't nobody breaking this down for y'all like this

01:37:08.460 and this is coming from someone who's testified hundreds of times by the way i've testified in trial i've

01:37:14.060 testified in grand jury i've testified in depositions i've testified in virtually every type of criminal

01:37:20.460 uh procedure criminal case procedure and or hearing uh at the federal level so this isn't coming from

01:37:27.020 me just reciting some off of wikipedia or whatever this is actual experience from someone that was on

01:37:33.100 a job for over a decade all right guys so like the video subscribe to the channel because ain't nobody

01:37:39.180 else going to be able to give you guys insights to this detail because you might get a lawyer here

01:37:44.860 or there you might get someone that might have testified as a witness you ain't got no

01:37:47.820 fucking federal agent former federal agent test uh giving y'all this type of sauce and telling you guys

01:37:52.860 how it really works in a criminal justice system alec murdoch for much of their lives and they were

01:37:59.260 former law partners together at the now disbanded law firm crosby described his relationship with paul murdoch

01:38:06.780 um i knew paul since he was born um um both he and buster had always referred to me as um uncle ronnie

01:38:16.380 um we lived just across the way from each other so i i got to know him um

01:38:26.060 i don't know if he used to when he got into hunting he hunted a lot on my property he and buster

01:38:32.060 um i have a farm right here in colin county where i grew up um and so i got to know him you know that

01:38:39.420 way uh and then paul was

01:38:50.940 didn't think this would be that hard

01:38:52.060 paul was really good with kids and he took a liking to my son who's younger but he spent a lot

01:39:04.780 of time with him you'd take him hunting fishing they did a lot of hog hunting together paul had some

01:39:09.820 hog dogs and um you know just was around him a lot he had a great personality um it's really you know

01:39:18.300 somebody kid i really loved you know

01:39:24.940 all would come over to your property a good bet yes and and then you know that's and then sometimes

01:39:31.260 as as my son got older we would go over to uh to moseville i'm not with barker i'm not with paul

01:39:39.980 crosby said that he knew that alec murdoch had had some financial difficulties because of some real

01:39:45.340 estate deals that went south on the night of the murders he said he drove to moselle and went

01:39:50.780 directly to the kennels around 11 pm he said that he came back there's a motive right there financial

01:39:59.980 hardship from bad real estate deals should have watched our uh money mondays to talk about proper

01:40:05.580 real estate investing god damn it stupid to moselle and that he went to the house

01:40:16.220 and that uh when he got to the house he he discovered that maggie and paul were not there

01:40:25.900 and that he then got back in his car or his suburban which was an office issued vehicle and uh and he drove

01:40:36.700 down to the kennels and it's more than just kennels there i think y'all scenes maybe sheds there um and

01:40:47.260 he um he discovered maggie and paul's bodies i also want to make this extremely clear for y'all

01:40:55.420 in his interviews okay your boy um murdoch said that he was not at the location okay and we're going to

01:41:04.860 see evidence that proves otherwise but that was a big thing that he stuck with that he was not there

01:41:11.340 at the location when the murders occurred uh at or about 8 50 p.m eastern standard time

01:41:17.260 did he say whether or not he had gone down to the kennels with maggie and paul before he

01:41:27.420 left to go to alameda after 9 p.m

01:41:34.220 that came up in one of the conversations and he's uh specifically said that he did not he did not

01:41:42.220 did you recognize any voices on that video the three voices on that video are the voices of paul murdoch

01:41:53.980 maggie murdoch and elec murdoch how sure are you

01:42:01.340 how sure are you i'm 100 sure that's these voices and this is the video that he's referring to guys

01:42:07.180 right here this is from snapchat on paul murdoch's phone minutes before they were killed

01:42:16.060 get it get back

01:42:25.740 quick cash

01:42:26.380 okay you heard one voice there okay that was murdoch

01:42:42.940 that's maggie that's his mom he's gotta burn his mouth

01:42:46.220 then you heard murdoch again i don't know what he said there he said some jibber-jibber

01:42:51.740 you can hear murdoch again you can hear murdoch again you can hear murdoch you can hear murdoch

01:43:02.700 you can hear a female voice which is maggie the mother and then you can hear a male voice who is murdoch

01:43:33.100 alex murdoch and paul is the one playing with the dog here that's recording this video

01:43:40.780 it's a guinea

01:43:41.580 this is a chicken

01:43:58.060 so what does that do guys that refutes his claim that he was not at the kennels okay

01:44:05.340 yeah so he was full of dr cal and you got one of his close associates here testifying that that

01:44:14.780 is indeed his voice and i think there was eight other people that testified that that was murdoch's

01:44:19.180 voice

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01:44:33.260 for immersive paul and maggie were murdered crosby then spoke about when he learned that alec had been

01:44:40.780 stealing from clients and what alec had to say about it real quick as you guys know with the shooting

01:44:46.940 i'm gonna go ahead and play a video for y'all that breaks down the murder okay crime scene expert

01:44:53.420 testifies in alex murdoch trial as far as how the shooting was done

01:44:56.860 oh hold on i bet i had this tab muted guys

01:45:05.260 murdoch died and it was torture in a graphic courtroom demonstration a crime scene expert

01:45:10.780 described how maggie first witnessed the death of her son then she was wounded several times before

01:45:17.260 the fatal shot was delivered it's a shocking demonstration of the final moments of maggie

01:45:23.020 murdoch's life she would have been on her knees and had at least one hand on the ground the prosecutor got

01:45:31.100 down on the courtroom floor to illustrate the position pause as a crime scene expert used his pointer

01:45:39.420 to show how the killer alleged to be her husband alex delivered the fatal shot the shooter was right

01:45:45.740 here everybody was adjusting their seat to get a better look because it was just so dynamic this

01:45:51.340 courtroom absolutely stopped in south carolina because you had the prosecution lying on the ground

01:45:57.580 actually demonstrating how maggie may have been executed the jury also heard a 911 call murdoch made

01:46:05.260 three months after maggie and paul were slain i got a flat tire that's the 911 call we played earlier guys

01:46:13.340 on september 3rd 2021 somebody stopped to help me and when i turned my back they tried to shoot me when you shot yeah this video was taken in the ambulance

01:46:29.260 murdoch later said he hired a former client to shoot him because his financial crimes were about to be exposed

01:46:36.540 i thought it would be better for me not to be what do you mean by not be here anymore i thought that

01:46:42.700 it would make it easier on my family for me to be dead alex murdoch has pled not guilty to the double

01:46:50.460 murder charges hell all right oh my god somebody said like this guy looked like chucky real

01:46:56.460 like like who chucky oh i was giving a folder that had paperwork in it um

01:47:05.740 and that paperwork consisted of checks both front and back and i was asked to uh review them

01:47:17.900 were those the uh what's been called the fake forged checks

01:47:20.700 yes i believe the fake forged checks there was not all of them that miss seconder went over but i

01:47:27.980 believe that there was um i could probably call the names of most of them that were there i uh i know

01:47:33.020 it was anderson bush uh more there was probably about five or six of them and i believe they had a copy of

01:47:42.540 the uh ferris check there too ferris check yes and i'd sat for a minute and reviewed it i think

01:47:50.380 danny said you're gonna need a drink and so did you have a drink yeah ultimately more than one

01:48:02.700 yeah boy that boy's drinking that scotch you know what i'm saying what happened after that

01:48:09.420 well they didn't tell me what was in it they let me review it on my own

01:48:13.100 and i immediately said this is this is bad and my words then were

01:48:24.140 that we have to terminate elec he cannot no longer practice with us and that was within i don't know

01:48:32.140 how many minutes but it was not a long period of time because the way genie had it laid out

01:48:37.180 it was clear what had happened and that this money had been stolen

01:48:46.780 did uh any of the partners go to confront alec with uh this information that had been uncovered

01:48:54.540 um yes there was a meeting uh the following morning at lee's house i did not attend i did not need to

01:49:01.660 attend um i was still getting ready for trial i'd already i had already decided where this was going

01:49:09.100 and um they met and then we uh danny and randy ellic's brother went and met with elec

01:49:20.060 and what was your understanding of what the defendant said as a result of that

01:49:23.100 uh that he admitted and and said that he was knew he was going to get caught at some point in time

01:49:33.340 and admitted uh to them uh that he did it on cross examination alec murdoch's attorney jim griffin went

01:49:42.620 back to the theme that the crime scene was tainted were you able to get inside the the the crime scene

01:49:50.620 take so cross examination remember guys that guy is the prosecution's witness so now the defense

01:49:54.460 is cross-examining him so now they're going to grill him

01:50:01.500 i don't know if there was crime scene taken up at that point in time okay

01:50:09.180 so you were able as you recall just walk up for maggie and paul's bodies covered at the time you got there

01:50:20.620 um yes

01:50:27.740 but you were able to get into the crime scene close enough where you could

01:50:31.500 tell what you thought caliber of the shell case right and and i i didn't walk from where i was parked

01:50:39.980 there i walked completely around the hanger and went over to talk to people i knew that

01:50:50.620 there the fire and rescue people just to get what their assessment was and i could see

01:50:58.780 from where they were positioned i could see i wasn't like i didn't get over it but i could see

01:51:04.620 yo this chat got no chill bro solo productions reactions goes he had ymw mele playing in his head

01:51:10.300 looking at his son and wife that night yo i guess he had murder on his mind man yo y'all are crazy bro

01:51:21.020 this chat got no chill man

01:51:23.820 i'm very familiar with with with your firearms and i saw what i thought was a 223 casing

01:51:30.940 the last witness of the day was megan fletcher and she testified about gunshot residue test results

01:51:38.620 from alec murdoch's belongings she said there were a small number of particles found on alec murdoch's

01:51:44.540 hand his seat belt his shirt and shorts that he was wearing the night of the murders but there was no

01:51:49.740 gsr found on his sneakers which is notable but 38 particles were found on the now notorious blue rain

01:51:56.700 jacket found at alec murdoch's mother's home oh boy and that was a big piece of evidence guys

01:52:04.460 because they couldn't find gunshot residue on any of the clothing that he was wearing that day i mean

01:52:10.380 granted he had to grab the gun real quick because he claimed that he was going to go back to the scene

01:52:15.180 and you know go after any attackers that had killed his family but this piece of clothing right here

01:52:21.580 which was hidden and remember guys uh there was a snapchat video earlier which i'm going to show

01:52:26.460 y'all of what he was wearing that day okay which his son had documented as well it's interesting how

01:52:31.820 paul snapchat spoke for him after his death and finally uh since this is an inanimate object how long

01:52:40.540 would you expect that gunshot primer residue to stay on there until it's actively removed

01:52:48.700 until it's actively removed

01:52:50.140 that means washed cleaned yeah brushing it like aggressively brushing it off washing it in a washing

01:53:01.980 machine cleaned hosed off something like that if a recently fired firearm was racked up wrapped up

01:53:10.060 inside that jacket would that be consistent with your findings there is a possibility of that yes sir

01:53:15.500 thank you very much that's all we have thank you fletcher said that the gsr on alec murdoch's hand

01:53:21.420 and his clothing and seat belt could have been transferred but she couldn't say when

01:53:26.940 and that's it for this edition of law and crime sidebar podcast it is produced by sam goldberg and

01:53:32.380 michael dininger bobby soki is our all right so real quick here's a timeline of what went down guys

01:53:39.580 right that's the evidence but let's go over the timeline now all right i'm going to pull this up

01:53:44.300 for y'all and then we're going to go over uh the picture crime scene photos and stuff

01:53:52.060 this is his son okay paul murdoch recording his father okay i think this was either a snapchat or this

01:53:58.620 was recovered from the phone after the fact so look at he's wearing what he's wearing tan pants

01:54:02.860 blue shirt uh and looks like some uh some loafers

01:54:17.020 the video you just watched was sent on snapchat by alec murdoch's son on the day he was murdered

01:54:23.420 prosecutors allege this video proves that the disgraced lawyer was with his son paul at their

01:54:29.180 south carolina home before he was killed

01:54:37.260 according to a snapchat representative that video was uploaded to paul murdoch's memories at 7 39 p.m

01:54:44.860 and later sent to friends at 7 56 p.m on june 7 2021 gotcha bitch

01:54:51.980 we just discussed that was part of the snapchat search warrant return yes that you just testified

01:54:58.540 was uh uploaded at 7 39 p.m and sent at 7 56 p.m yes and guys this is common in a trial i've done

01:55:05.580 this before as well whenever you use social media and or phone records in a trial you'll typically call

01:55:10.540 a witness from the company to come in and testify ask the validity of the times

01:55:15.500 the evidence seized etc uh from whatever medium you got the evidence from i've had people come from

01:55:20.540 facebook on trials i've had people come from uh uh from facebook from instagram snapchat this is very

01:55:28.220 common where you bring in a expert right or or t-mobile verizon a lot of times with phone companies

01:55:33.100 uh they come in and they testify to the validity of the information that is gathered and can go into

01:55:39.180 detail and explain it to the jury so this is represented from snapchat here right later probably

01:55:44.060 a law enforcement representative that works with law enforcement liaison that works for snapchat so if any

01:55:49.820 law enforcement officer submits a search warrant or a subpoena they have a compliance unit that deals

01:55:55.580 with that that night paul murdoch took another video on his phone this time in their dog kennel

01:56:02.220 listen to how many voices you hear get back get back

01:56:15.900 quick this is the video we played earlier so fast forward it a bit you can clearly hear three distinct

01:56:22.380 voices here which most importantly was murdoch i don't understand what's the thing they 100 believe

01:56:31.020 alec murdoch's voice is heard alongside his son paul's and wife maggie's in the video recognize the

01:56:37.260 voices on there i did did you recognize the voices of your second family i did and what voices did you

01:56:44.140 hear paul's that's maggie and how sure are you now positive 100 that's correct expert witnesses said

01:56:53.100 the video was taken at approximately 8 44 p.m which is minutes before investigators believe paul and

01:57:00.300 maggie were shocked later alec would call 911 at approximately 10 0 6 p.m to report the discovery

01:57:07.660 of the bodies of his wife and son an hour plus after the fact this is alec murdoch at 4147 moselle

01:57:16.140 road i think the police immediately my wife and child badly well go ahead did you find that the

01:57:25.100 the footage that i told you that it's on youtube when they when they found the bodies like when he

01:57:29.740 called the oh when he called remember that i told you that the police um yeah we could play it uh the

01:57:35.100 basically the body cam footage also another thing i want you guys to know when he called 9-1-1 when

01:57:40.220 you guys call 9-1-1 it starts rolling before they pick up the phone they start recording before that

01:57:44.620 so if you listen to 9-1-1 call he starts frantically uh acting after they say 9-1-1 not before

01:57:51.980 so he was like just silent online waiting and then he starts getting frantic

01:57:56.620 also testified that alec and paul had a close relationship here's a video of the father and son

01:58:01.740 at alec's 61st birthday

01:58:17.660 did you imagine i'ma kill you in a couple years

01:58:19.980 motherfucker happy birthday thank y'all so much thank you baby i'ma steal all your money and kill

01:58:32.540 as the murdoch trial continues one crime will keep you updated on all the newest developments

01:58:38.140 reporting all right so now we're going to go over some evidence photos from the scene

01:58:43.180 as you guys can see i just sent you the video oh you did okay here's some uh the deputy showing up

01:58:51.420 here's the kennel you guys can see footprints all over the place which the defense actually attacked

01:58:55.660 this guys because um and the reason why the defense attacked it hold on is this tab muted oh no it's just

01:59:03.260 silent okay so uh yeah i can see the water spill

01:59:15.660 chain of custody south carolina law enforcement division sled forensic services laboratory chain of

01:59:19.580 custody uh this is a case number camel benelli black eagle unfiltered so this is the firearms that they took

01:59:26.860 and then here is one of the weapons that were used

01:59:48.460 okay so you can see huge area where this crime occurred

01:59:53.580 now what i want to show you guys as well is you said you sent me the uh the video of the

02:00:02.780 the footage of the the police okay when he called which one did you send it to on telegram

02:00:11.260 this one the ip this one okay uh i already played this all right let me let me go let me go back

02:00:23.820 so this right here guys so remember how the guy was showing the uh shooting here is his actual

02:00:30.220 testimony we're going to play a portion of it because i want to this is this is pretty good stuff

02:00:33.420 so i want you all to see a little bit more again he never made any movement any movement he made

02:00:39.580 and it was due to gravity pulling his body down to the ground when you sustain an injury to your brain

02:00:46.060 like that that ceases all movement so he was found outside the feed door he fell over

02:00:53.100 forward after sustaining that movement some some wounds are fatal later you can actually see

02:00:59.660 someone that receives a fatal wound and they i've seen them run 100 yards uh they can move for a

02:01:05.340 little while this is not that type of wound once he received this wound it ceased all movement and did

02:01:12.300 you i i'm gonna put attachment excuse me uh stage 535 up on the screen and uh tell the jury what this

02:01:19.820 particular image reflects please yes sir if you can look at the green funnel that i've added

02:01:25.980 just visually if you look at that green funnel that is approximately the shot shell path the shot path from the

02:01:34.620 shot shell after it uh did the injuries to paul or the direction of the shot from the shot shell

02:01:41.340 and i determined that by shot shell pellet defects that are still in the door even though the door had

02:01:48.140 been cleaned i went and looked at it myself by the way there's 18 11 of you guys watching right now

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02:02:11.900 run my own measurements took the width of the door i took paul's approximate height uh it's listed as

02:02:19.180 several different things dm and just you guys know paul was shot first which is why i'm showing you this

02:02:23.580 because they didn't detail how the sun was shot v shows him at five six the pathologist listed him i

02:02:29.340 believe at five nine so i had to split the difference i went somewhere in the middle

02:02:34.060 then i deducted the distance between the top of your head and the top of your shoulder so i took

02:02:41.500 another foot off then i took the width of the door and it was one other thing i looked at and that was a

02:02:47.180 void pattern that's on the door frame of the door a void pattern is caused by something being there

02:02:53.820 when the blood and biological materials are are uh let let we call it a blood letting from the wound

02:03:03.340 and there's a void pattern which tells me something was in that way and because of the narrow door

02:03:11.100 in my opinion it was paul so that's what caused that void pattern on that door so i use all of that

02:03:16.860 and i use a dowel rod and i used a protractor on the uh doorknob side of that door frame and i ran it up

02:03:24.700 and that's what helped me establish the angle of that shot pattern so as y'all can see it was doing

02:03:30.300 quite a bit of arithmetic to figure this out and we're gonna uh use the images to kind of talk about

02:03:35.980 that a little bit more specifically but quickly i want to show you 539 and 540 and see if you recognize

02:03:41.820 these images the pellet defects in the door and this is the approximate center of it here so that's

02:03:51.180 four inches above 72 that's approximately 76 inches on an 80 inch door i'm gonna show you states 536

02:04:00.300 and explain to the jury what this is and in particular how that's relevant to uh your conclusion about uh the

02:04:06.380 angle in which paul suffered the fatal head wound this is the original yeah his head was pretty much

02:04:13.180 blown out guys his brains were everywhere crime scene pictures and this is where the pellets took

02:04:18.540 their path this is where they struck and did damage to the door and you can actually still see the dents

02:04:23.180 that are documented in my photograph you can see them in the original crime scene this is a concentration

02:04:29.180 of blood that's caused by the brain exiting paul's body in the path of the shot shells and then you

02:04:37.740 also have biological material hair and blood here at the top of the door frame and that's where i drew my

02:04:44.300 conclusion you guys can see that right here what they're talking about all kinds of brain matter bone

02:04:49.900 hair everything right there in the corner illusion at some time those body parts made contact with these

02:04:58.060 sections of the door and my opinion is that it hit here hit here and then landed on the sidewalk looking

02:05:07.100 at states 537 can you explain what the jury's seeing in this image and how it relates to your opinion

02:05:16.300 about the manner in which paul suffered that fatal wound i can with a major bloodletting

02:05:23.020 especially dr kinson let me ask you i'm gonna move this podium and i actually can ask you to

02:05:28.300 step back just a hair so that uh the jurors over here can see what you're what you're saying yes sir

02:05:33.820 with a shotgun wound you know you've got hundreds well not hundreds you've got over 800 pellets that

02:05:41.100 are making damage it's not like a projectile a single projectile from a pistol or a rifle so there's mass

02:05:48.140 damage and it it throws body fluids and blood in several different directions but they follow the

02:05:53.900 path when i mentioned that it was a void pattern this is the last blood drop you can see it in the

02:06:00.140 photograph that i could see and it's uh it's approximately five foot right there and this is

02:06:10.700 not green tape that is a digital effect i put on the photograph to show the uh the void i was talking

02:06:16.620 about so at some time it's my opinion that paul was up against that door or real close to that door

02:06:22.780 to keep that blood from striking the door at the point in time that he was shot all right and the

02:06:27.420 green tape reflects that that blood pad or that uh void area that is consistent with uh paul blocking

02:06:33.980 that area is that correct yes or digital tape it's not really tape all right yes sir so that's that's

02:06:38.860 been added to yes sir okay to illustrate your opinion yes sir all right and then uh 538 i'm going to show

02:06:45.340 you this image and again uh if you can point out what's been added and and how this uh relates to

02:06:51.820 the conclusion that you're offering to the jury yes sir one thing that i looked at to determine that

02:06:56.940 it happened in the doorway and a little bit outside the doorway more outside than inside you don't just

02:07:05.100 look for the presence of biological material and blood you look for the absence of biological material and

02:07:11.420 blood here at the top it didn't have a scale or a ruler so i can't tell you exactly but looking at

02:07:18.460 some of these other objects i was able to scale it approximately four inches up here you have a void

02:07:25.500 so i know that it happened the second wound happened far enough outside of that door frame

02:07:31.820 that the actual frame kept the biological material from hitting at the very top right here i also you

02:07:39.260 guys can see the arrows pointing here right and sometimes right and you can see blood here on this

02:07:44.140 side right of the cleaning material but not as much on the other side so that gives the um the forensic

02:07:50.060 analysts right something to work with to figure out because it's not just important where the blood is

02:07:54.620 it's also important where the blood is not so you can go ahead and get a good trajectory of where the

02:07:59.420 bullets may have come from and where the victim was standing at the time of the murder and how the

02:08:03.020 murder was actually committed so um and you guys are probably going to hear the testimony later on but from

02:08:08.380 what you can basically tell here it doesn't seem like paul had much reaction time before he was shot

02:08:14.540 look at these items uh you got some medication uh canine medication or some cleaning materials and

02:08:21.260 that kind of thing up here you can see all the spatter at the front of those containers and then we got

02:08:29.340 what i call a demarcation line right here here and i drew it through most of these it's right here guys

02:08:35.980 you can see uh this is the demarcation line he's talking about as you can see on one side it's clean

02:08:42.300 on the other side it's pretty dirty with quite a bit of blood hands and that separates the blood the

02:08:50.140 blood contaminated area in the clean area so that tells me that it was at least forward of the angle

02:08:57.260 on those containers and that's why i believe he was shot the second wound happened just outside the

02:09:04.700 door frame but his feet were probably still in the door frame all right and just quickly point to the

02:09:09.100 jury we can can we see part of the door frame in this particular room you can yes sir right here

02:09:17.020 all right um what's uh been going back now to states 535 and just for the record we were just looking

02:09:25.580 at states 538 and 537 uh going back to states 535 uh did you reach any conclusion as to the location

02:09:36.220 of the shooter on that second fatal shot that paul suffered to his head yes sir i did all right and

02:09:41.180 explain that to the jury if you would okay this is important now he's going to give the location of

02:09:44.380 where it was when he got the fatal shot that actually killed him guys the shooter was right here if you're

02:09:50.700 facing that door to the right of the doorway outside and um would you have expected there to be uh in

02:10:00.940 that particular range uh any sort of uh biological evidence in that area in proximity to the shooter

02:10:10.300 yes sir i would would the door frame have potentially blocked any of that as well it would block some

02:10:16.620 and just depending on the positioning how much of the body of the shooter was exposed because uh you

02:10:25.260 know once you have that kind of catastrophic injury it's real real real fine blood blood particles and

02:10:32.380 and biological fluids that go in all directions and the closer the shooter was to the muzzle to the

02:10:39.420 exit into that firearm the more stuff you would expect um let me ask you this in your uh expert

02:10:49.260 opinion is there any way that paul's fatal head injury came from the top in a contact fashion or a

02:10:57.020 close fashion no sir i see no possible way for that and explain your conclusion in that regard to the

02:11:02.300 jury please what factors weigh against that in your actual opinion well number one i don't know of a way to

02:11:07.580 mimic this blood evidence on this door that pattern where that shot traveled through paul's shoulder

02:11:16.620 into his jaw into his brain and then took a path up and placed the biological material here at the top of

02:11:22.940 the door wow so yo hold on it went through his shoulder into his jaw and then into his brain guys

02:11:33.180 traveled through paul's shoulder traveled through paul's shoulder into his jaw into his brain and then

02:11:40.620 took a path up and placed the biological material here at the top of the door if he was shot in the

02:11:46.700 head then you'd have biological material out here on the ground or at least going down you know on the

02:11:53.420 sidewalk in front of him and it would be different than just free pouring blood you would see

02:11:59.340 this pattern and you would see those high velocity blood droplets there on the ground and plus the

02:12:06.060 shooter would have to be on the roof to shoot down into him but you wouldn't have this on the door

02:12:13.260 bam and that's how he was able to establish that he was shot up basically it seemed like he was taken

02:12:20.780 for surprise he was at the doorway shooters outside the door shoots him from the side bullet goes up

02:12:26.780 through the through the shoulder into the jaw right through the brain blows the top of his head out

02:12:31.580 guys okay so like pretty much this entire part of his head at the top was blown out because the bullet

02:12:38.060 went shoulder jaw and then bam travels upwards this way which is what he's trying to explain with the

02:12:45.340 bullet trajectory which the brain matter right on the door signifies that so that's how he was able to

02:12:53.580 come to that conclusion based on uh the injuries as well as the blood splatter is uh the bullet

02:13:00.060 trajectory etc all right and it was a shotgun that did this at close a very close range in your expert

02:13:08.060 opinion did you see any support uh or evidence in this crime scene that could support that the injuries

02:13:13.660 suffered by paul or in any manner a suicide or self-inflicted i i don't see the possibility

02:13:23.180 knowing that and why did the prosecutor ask that because he wants to establish that there is no way

02:13:28.860 that this was a self-deletion he wants to establish this was a murder okay there's no way that someone

02:13:36.460 could have shot themselves in this way to create that bullet wound pattern that blood splatter that

02:13:43.420 uh that trajectory etc it's not a contact shotgun wound and i'm i'm fairly strong and i'm bigger than

02:13:52.700 paul and notice how he said it's not a contact shotgun wound for you to actually commit self-deletion

02:13:58.140 with a shotgun the gun is big guys okay it's very awkward to you know delete yourself with a shotgun you'd

02:14:04.220 have to like put it like this and it'd have to basically touch your face so you can actually

02:14:09.020 pull the trigger and and actually do it right so it's got to be right up on you but he's saying it

02:14:13.980 wasn't a contact shot so there's no way that it could have been done that way okay this is very

02:14:18.060 important for the prosecution to establish that self-deletion was not the cause of demise here

02:14:23.420 or was and i don't know of any way you could hold that shotgun out

02:14:28.620 and and shoot yourself in that direction at that see there you go i didn't even hear this

02:14:33.260 testimony and i already knew who that's what he was going to say at angle and put that biological

02:14:37.580 material on top that door like that i don't think it's possible okay all right thank you

02:14:45.260 all right uh hey keep sending you back and forth but now

02:14:53.260 now he's gonna his arm and call say now he's gonna show up with his full all right i know i just sent

02:14:58.220 you back and we'll bring you back down i'm sorry uh guys like the video by the way man i hope you

02:15:04.460 guys are enjoying this content man breaking this down with y'all showing you guys exactly how this

02:15:08.140 went down i think this is very important to illustrate how the murders went down and the gruesome

02:15:12.220 uh you know the gruesome nature of it before we move on from paul i would and if you could just use

02:15:18.700 me as a mannequin but can you uh sort of describe to me your conclusions about the positioning of the

02:15:24.220 of paul when he suffered that fatal head wound and uh and and just how the trajectory of that wound

02:15:30.780 uh and that shot as you've uh described and as supported by the evidence as you see it can i

02:15:35.420 describe it and demonstrate yes please uh the second wound this is where the rubber meets the road my

02:15:43.660 friends as i mentioned went in his arm and caused a an injury here a a large entrance exit entrance and

02:15:53.740 then of course exit here so it had to be typically with the kind of non-fatal wound paul suffered to his

02:16:04.460 chest in his arm it's my belief that now his five foot eight frame is dipping or favoring that arm because as

02:16:13.340 you know that's that's over 20 something entrances and exits i believe it would have hurt him i believe

02:16:19.020 he would have been in pain and i believe he would have been somewhat affected and the reason i believe

02:16:24.380 that is because i've got the 90 degree blood drops look at me saying oh it's not me it's not me i think

02:16:29.740 his reaction here brings him back to the moment where he shot his son and he remembers because the side

02:16:36.540 of him is like yo i did you know he has my son at the end of the day but his reaction you know they

02:16:41.100 say a picture's worth a thousand words i think a video is worth even more it's moving really really

02:16:45.900 slow if he wasn't feeling it or if it hadn't affected him in some way i believe his youthfulness

02:16:53.260 would have allowed him to get out of there faster but he's moving real slow to the door so that's going

02:16:58.700 to drop that angle just a couple inches and i can demonstrate

02:17:03.180 all right all right if we didn't make sure that juror can see yes absolutely all right

02:17:19.020 that woman went in

02:17:23.740 approximately right here

02:17:25.020 it traveled in out in and out in a straight line

02:17:34.060 in a straight line shot always goes in a straight line and then when you're pressing the dial stick

02:17:41.020 there you're showing the trajectory of the wound not implying that was a contact thing no sir i'm not

02:17:46.300 i'm not implying it's contact i'm just showing the level of the wound all right while i'm thinking about

02:17:51.660 it uh the wound to uh paul's chest did it show evidence of stippling yes sir all right just very

02:17:58.380 quickly what is stippling commonly referred to as tattooing it's particles and material that's in that

02:18:05.420 shell that don't burn up because it's superheated at the time that the powder charge ignites it doesn't

02:18:12.540 explode it ignites and burns rapidly and that's unburnt particles of of powder and other contents of that

02:18:20.540 shell they're hot and when they hit the body they call stippling or in the old days they called it

02:18:26.460 tattooing and and that's basically what it is it works as an ink looking at uh this particular image

02:18:34.460 paul's about five feet in the third feed room when he suffers the first wound correct yes sir that is

02:18:39.020 correct and then he moves towards the door is that correct that is correct and suffers the second one

02:18:43.500 somewhere near the door frame on the inside yes sir with his shoulder just outside that door frame and when

02:18:49.740 he suffers that second wound what happens to paul he falls immediately and where does he fall he

02:18:55.820 falls outside the feed room all right um let's move on uh now and let's talk a little bit if we can

02:19:04.220 about uh the injuries to maggie burdock okay so now we we established how the son was murdered in graphic

02:19:12.060 detail uh now we're going to go into maggie the mob start out by the wife the jury uh of the injuries

02:19:21.180 that she suffered and then let's talk about your conclusions as to the manner and the order in which

02:19:26.380 those were suffering yes sir all right so it's good just to remind us again of those injuries and

02:19:31.180 if you could go ahead and describe them in the order that your expert opinion they were suffered yes sir

02:19:36.940 yes miss maggie murdock suffered three non-fatal injuries from a firearm one was through her wrist

02:19:48.220 one was her left uh upper thigh above the knee one was at her abdomen here and it exited somewhere around

02:19:56.220 her kidneys now i'm not that kind of doctor i can't tell you all the damage it did inside all those organs

02:20:02.300 and things but it ran a straight line through her body this one on her left leg and this one on her

02:20:08.140 midsection were approximately the same angle and they were really really close in distance one had

02:20:15.660 stippling that that said that it was a a foot closer than the other but that would probably fit this was

02:20:22.940 either a total separate non-fatal wound or it could have been a continuation of one of the two fatal wounds

02:20:29.340 wounds her fatal wounds were she had an abrasion or burn on the left side of her abdomen on the outside

02:20:40.940 end that bullet followed a straight pass it entered the end of her breast and did extensive damage to the

02:20:48.860 end of her breast entered her left jaw side of her face area and went into her brain that's the first fatal

02:20:57.260 injury and it was immediate and she dropped right where she was at i saw no evidence that her body

02:21:03.980 had been manipulated moved or rolled over the second thing she was in an enormous amount of pain guys with

02:21:10.940 these bullet wounds by the way like you can't even believe and she was alive for paul his stuff was his

02:21:17.180 his death was fairly quick hers was painful and took a little bit longer injury was down into her head

02:21:23.260 and it actually did what in in in the day they call a keyhole injury just from appearances the entrance and

02:21:30.620 exit in the top of her head were so close it made one big injury and then it entered into her upper

02:21:36.780 shoulders and went down into her body that would have also been a fatal wound but it was second in my

02:21:42.620 opinion that one came second all right let's uh let's talk about that a little bit a little bit more

02:21:50.460 detail those first two wounds uh that uh that you described uh you believe those are the first two

02:21:57.260 wounds she suffered yes sir and possibly three i can't tell you much about this because the arm could

02:22:02.460 have been moving or it could have been here there's all right well let's talk about the thigh wound and the

02:22:07.180 abdomen wound can you did you have any conclusions about uh the the location of the shooter as those

02:22:13.340 two wounds were were uh um suffered yes sir i did all right let me explain that to the jury

02:22:18.220 to what place right there all right left leg out a little bit about here and here here and here

02:22:40.220 and in your opinion were those two shots fired at a in fairly quick succession or around the same time

02:22:46.780 i think it would have been really really difficult to get a similar angle if they weren't uh all the

02:22:52.300 shooter had to do is raise the weapon or lower the weapon and you're still on the same plane

02:22:57.260 and those wounds to the abdomen and to the thigh uh reflect the presence of stippling they did and what

02:23:03.420 does that indicate to you about the distance between maggie and the shooter when those wounds were

02:23:08.140 suffered i guess four or five feet fairly close yes sir all right and so that means that she saw her

02:23:15.100 attacker guys she saw the shooter uh at the time after those two paul might have not seen his attacker

02:23:22.700 but she definitely did two uh wounds were suffered and again we'll put aside the wrist wind for

02:23:28.060 for a bit uh what would have happened after that in your expert opinion in my opinion at bare minimum

02:23:33.740 she would have been over she would have been in pain i believe sometime in close proximity

02:23:41.260 she fell to the ground and that's when the first fatal wound was delivered would she have been prone

02:23:46.700 on the ground or still somewhat raised by the ground or in a bent over position when that

02:23:50.620 first fatal wound was suffered in my opinion from the angle she would have been on her knees

02:23:56.940 and had at least one hand on the ground those first two shots uh well let me ask you this uh there

02:24:04.700 were obviously six shell uh shell cases that of 300 blackout that were used to murder uh maggie burdock

02:24:10.940 found at the scene is that correct that is correct explain to the jury is there what conclusions if

02:24:15.980 any can you draw about the location of those shell cases uh if any explain that to the jury a little bit

02:24:21.900 once again just like with the shotgun i'm not saying it doesn't exist but i don't think there are many

02:24:27.020 left-handed ar ar platforms so generally speaking the ejection ports could be on the right side i own seven uh

02:24:37.660 some of them throw it the ship the shell casing a little bit forward some throw it a little bit

02:24:42.140 back some throw it perfect 90 degrees to the ejection port if they were always uniform where they come

02:24:49.500 out if you go target practice you could place a bucket there and all your shell casings would drop in

02:24:53.820 the bucket you wouldn't have to bend over and pick up your shell cases unfortunately that's not

02:24:58.540 the real world so i don't put a lot into that unless i have the actual weapon and we can test

02:25:04.940 the weapon with the same ammunition and you can generally get an idea of where that shell case is

02:25:10.460 going to go so no sir i don't pay a lot of attention to it and i definitely don't think the

02:25:15.420 sequence of from one end to the other or from this end and just so you guys know let's illustrate this

02:25:20.300 so you guys understand what the hell he's talking about this is what it looks like when a uh bullet

02:25:24.940 is ejected from an air okay in slow motion one more time for y'all fires bam ejects right out the

02:25:35.900 side now obviously this is a right-handed firearm because most firearms are right-handed but you know

02:25:40.620 you would just reverse it on the left hand side but this is what it looks like for people out there

02:25:45.260 so you have a uh a visual representation of what he the guy is talking about

02:25:51.100 like the video guys all right we're going deep in this thing pause all right like the video i see

02:25:57.980 we got uh 1800 plus y'all watching but we only got 1.3k likes we should have 1800 likes on this thing

02:26:05.660 all right and to this end means that's necessarily the movement of the shooter gotcha all right um you

02:26:12.780 said that when she shoved suffered that first fatal wound in your opinion i mean she would have

02:26:17.340 been over and perhaps been on her hands and knees is that correct yes sir all right i'm gonna get

02:26:21.500 down on my hands and knees and if you could come around here and kind of show me where the trajectory

02:26:25.020 of that wound would have gone uh the first wound that was fatal for me i guess all right so guys all

02:26:30.860 right just a recap real quick here so she gets shot twice okay she gets shot in the uh it looks like

02:26:37.740 the abdomen and the leg or the thigh all right obviously at this point you're gonna fall right

02:26:43.340 to the ground your your leg's gonna give out your at your you know you get shot in the in the stomach

02:26:48.380 like oh god you're gonna hunch over right so now we're gonna go into the demonstration of what occurs

02:26:53.900 after maggie hits the floor

02:27:01.260 in full detail we show an excerpt of it from the other one but now we're gonna see in full detail

02:27:09.100 so the shooter sees her uh shoots her at this point she's probably pleading please don't kill

02:27:13.580 me please don't kill me etc etc and you know this just think about the callousness you have to have

02:27:18.940 to be able to walk around and shoot the individual again from the back you probably

02:27:22.220 don't want to look at her as he did this

02:27:34.460 the shooter was right here approximately right here

02:27:39.100 all right and show us the trajectory as it went uh through maggie into her brain yes it burned or

02:27:45.500 raised her stomach outside to inside went through the end of her breast into her jaw and then into her

02:27:54.060 brain okay and what would have been the effect on her once that shot was suffered she would have

02:27:59.020 immediately fell down with the front of her body all right and that is the position her arms were in

02:28:04.460 the original crime scene photographs and while i'm down here so i don't have to get up again tell me about

02:28:08.940 the fatal shot and the positioning of the shooter as the evidence indicates to you the second shot was not as

02:28:13.580 close but it still wasn't a long distance

02:28:18.700 it was approximately here into the crown of the head bam so he walked he shot her up front

02:28:27.580 right so he shoots her up front twice bang bang right

02:28:31.260 in the in the ab and in the leg goes behind her shoots again then he walks in front of her

02:28:40.780 and shoots her a third time guys all right and obviously you know he's doing maybe one or two taps as

02:28:45.660 he's doing this so this is wild right probably didn't want to see her she was looking at him saying don't

02:28:51.260 shoot me goes behind her shoots her she falls on the floor at that point because it hit her brain so

02:28:55.740 at that point all motor function is pretty much gone and then he has to do obviously the final

02:29:02.460 it comes and shoots her from the front sick bastard sick yeah bro holy now i also want to let y'all know

02:29:11.660 that at this point him and his wife were not living together and they were having marital issues guys

02:29:17.660 they definitely were he actually called her to go see her see him good point yes that is true

02:29:24.540 she had he had called her um because they had not been speaking she was living at another house at

02:29:28.780 the time guys and he called her i think it was to go see his dying father correct yeah one of his

02:29:34.380 dying parents both of his parents are are old and sick so uh no randolph is that uh that's who it was

02:29:43.260 yes okay so that's who he wanted her to go see and she she went and she showed up and this is what ended

02:29:48.940 up happening and uh use the dowel stick to show that injury that might be suffered

02:29:56.620 hey angie can you do me a favor can you go ahead and do what you do best and grab the crime scene

02:30:00.140 photos for this and we'll put them in the in the description for them yeah sure well we'll get you

02:30:03.820 guys the unedited crime scene photos i won't be able to show them here but i know some y'all are

02:30:07.420 probably requesting them so uh angie will go ahead and dig them up for you guys yeah you sick bastards

02:30:12.540 she's good at finding them ian out ian in that line okay thank you bam and that explains the uh the

02:30:29.580 shooting okay guys now you guys know in graphic detail how it was done all right so the other thing

02:30:35.420 i want to go over with y'all is we're going to go over the phone data which was very important

02:30:42.540 okay deleting phone calls sex messages all that blah blah so let's go into it

02:30:48.540 all right welcome back to long crime everybody i'm jesse weber and thanks for joining us we're

02:30:51.980 waiting to jump back live into the alec murdoch trial the man accused of murdering his wife maggie

02:30:57.180 and son paul on the property in june 2021. right now it is all about the defendant's cell phone and i

02:31:03.900 want to break that down i'm joined by two special guests i think we're working on getting forensic

02:31:07.740 death investigator joseph scott morgan and if you guys were watching fed it y'all already know

02:31:11.660 the importance of cell phones and how critical they are to investigations okay it's a big reason

02:31:15.980 why serial killers back in the 70s 80s and 90s weren't getting caught like that ted bundy

02:31:20.380 jeffrey dommer john wayne gacy etc they were able to do all this craziness because uh the advent of the

02:31:25.500 modern cell phone was not around to track these sick bucks down but now they are okay cell phones is

02:31:31.820 the reason why ymw melly is going to go to jail all right guys very powerful evidence because it

02:31:37.340 could pin you down literally to the foot but right now we do have with us criminal defense attorney and

02:31:43.500 host of the defense diaries podcast bob mada bob good to see you thanks for coming on so we've heard

02:31:51.100 a lot of interesting testimony today about alec murdoch's cell phone something that is usually attached

02:31:57.260 to us we've learned about a which i thought was really interesting that the calls that he allegedly

02:32:03.420 made to maggie were wiped away from his call log the reason we know those exist because if you look at

02:32:08.380 her call log they exist that's a b we learned about the recorded steps with the phone which a you know

02:32:15.500 it makes me wonder if these steps were happening when he said he had was taking a nap at the house and

02:32:20.860 why there are so many steps at really curious moments and also about how many messages he read and

02:32:26.540 when he read them what are you taking away from this testimony to me it's the strongest evidence

02:32:34.140 they've put forth so far i mean it's it's damning in the sense that it looks like there's way too much

02:32:40.460 going on you know i mean when you look at the amount of steps that were taken it just doesn't look like

02:32:46.620 the guy was calling his wife so it's going to be problematic i mean they're going to have to try to

02:32:51.740 dismantle the defense uh it's going to have to try to dismantle what's what's going on with this

02:32:57.020 because and again another reason why this is so critical guys why the phone information stands

02:33:01.980 even stronger is because he claimed that he was not there it it stinks of impropriety to say the least

02:33:09.340 um and i'm a defense attorney if i was his attorney i'd be concerned about that but you know they can't

02:33:15.580 be shocked about it either that this isn't as much as his attorney seemed to have a hard time

02:33:20.940 understanding yesterday during the testimony exactly what the codes meant um you know this isn't a shock

02:33:27.660 for them i'm anticipating that they'll have some kind of way to try to offset what i consider to be

02:33:34.300 very damaging evidence so again just to give you an idea joseph 74 steps recorded between 805 and 809 283

02:33:43.580 steps recorded between 902 and 906 is when we believe after the killings happen and then at 908

02:33:50.540 is when alec murdoch texts his wife saying he's going to go see his mother what stands out to you

02:33:56.860 well i think that you know it it does uh our colleague mentioned smacking of impropriety you

02:34:03.020 know you begin to think about uh his actions uh uh certainly leading up but then afterwards um you know

02:34:11.420 and what how how how in the world would would these things be wiped on his end i do know this i've

02:34:17.740 gotten a peek at that potential witness list in this case and it is rather robust on the defensive side

02:34:25.660 relative to electronic evidence i think that that's that's something that we're going to be seeing

02:34:32.700 because um you know as was mentioned um this is a fire that the defense is going to have to put out

02:34:40.620 they're going to have to address it and one other thing i um prosecution is going to have to do a

02:34:47.820 very good job of keeping this very simple not getting into the weeds with a lot of the technical

02:34:54.700 data but really preaching to the jury about what this means in a very basic level i agree with you and

02:35:01.340 talking about one of the complications for the prosecution's cases we don't have the murder

02:35:05.180 weapons right those murder weapons weren't recovered that brings me to john beddingfield who was

02:35:10.540 actually assembled certain weapons for the defendant now before you say oh my goodness what are you

02:35:15.020 talking about well this is a family that had a lot of weapons on their property so the idea put forward

02:35:20.220 by the prosecution is we might not have the murder weapons but i tell you what we do have

02:35:24.300 we can match the ammunition that was found near the bodies uh with the ammunition that was found on

02:35:29.180 different parts parts of the property and we can make the assumption that the family murder weapons are the

02:35:33.900 murder or the family weapons of the murder weapons let's go back to john beddingfield this is him

02:35:37.500 actually being cross-examined by the defense from yesterday let's listen to where they went you

02:35:43.260 mentioned that you and alan murdoch are um related um how are you related our grandmothers were sisters

02:35:54.540 and does that make and you're i call a second cousins we're cousins your your fathers were first

02:36:00.140 cousins correct okay and you spend over the years you spend time with alec and the boys i have not

02:36:07.740 not a lot with alec mostly with john marvin and you go have you been camping with alec and the boys at um

02:36:16.380 i think that'd be the dad who shows to be camp every year i have and you've been fishing with not much

02:36:22.700 been hunting with no sir not alec okay i have the john right um you've known alec for quite some time

02:36:32.700 my entire life are you um you well a gift of some eight thousand dollars is a pretty nice gift for

02:36:43.420 two boys right yes sir uh did you ever observe alec around the sons what kind of relationship they had

02:36:51.980 i have and how would you describe their relationship it was always good i mean he would when he called

02:36:57.900 me he was excited about getting these for his boys and it was a big christmas for them yes all right

02:37:08.140 one second

02:37:14.700 is it um less expensive to buy a 300 blackout directly from palmont state armory

02:37:21.500 rather than have you build one it can be depending on configuration and all the

02:37:28.940 any accessories that get added and okay and we're looking now at the first page

02:37:33.900 now describe to the jury what that is please that is the canceled check

02:37:39.900 from alec for the original two firearms for the original two yes and what's the price on that please

02:37:45.420 i can bring it to you i got it nine thousand one hundred and eighty eight dollars all right and

02:37:52.140 what's the date on oh they those are some expensive guns mad please i'm sorry what's the date on that

02:37:58.540 twelve twenty three sixteen all right and this is this a record that you kept in accordance with

02:38:03.260 your ffl obligations the check no sir we retrieved that from my bank yeah all right

02:38:11.500 go to the second page of this exhibit um you recognize that tell me what that is please that is the

02:38:16.860 the check for the third replacement 300 blackout to maggie murdoch that's the check she wrote to me

02:38:23.980 all right what's the amount on that one eight hundred seventy five dollars all right so the first

02:38:28.460 one for two of them was nine thousand one hundred eighty eight dollars correct yes sir and the second

02:38:33.020 one is only 875 is that right yes my man spent over 10k to make this happen holy the difference between

02:38:40.780 those that the second one didn't have the optic and didn't have the suppressor sling part of the

02:38:46.060 difference yes sir okay all right we'll talk about that in a second but right now i want to bring in

02:38:50.700 law and law and crime correspondent gg mckelvie who is outside of that courthouse in walterborough

02:38:56.300 south carolina gg it's good to see you what a morning right i mean what did you take away

02:39:02.060 from what did you learn that we didn't know before about alec murdoch's phone

02:39:09.180 good morning jesse well we've learned that alec largely deleted most of the calls he made that night

02:39:15.740 except for one to rogan who had his dog there at the kennels other than that it seems every other

02:39:21.340 phone call he made was deleted from his cell phone and what about the the tracking location because i

02:39:29.260 thought the amount of steps were interesting they went through a whole list of time frames and how

02:39:33.580 many steps and and obviously it's not an exact science but it does tell us something and the

02:39:39.500 things that i'm thinking about well how does that match up to what his alibi is which is he never went

02:39:45.100 down to the kennels he fell asleep after dinner right that says the last time he saw his family was dinner

02:39:50.540 then he goes to visit his mother then tries to call maggie then comes back she goes to the kennels

02:39:56.300 and discovers the body what what are those what is the tracking of the steps on the cell phone tell us

02:40:02.860 well what's interesting to me is the most steps that he took was between 902 and 906 pm which is when

02:40:09.180 he says he left to go see his mother that was 283 steps apparently he said he leaves the house gets in his

02:40:16.780 car it's a lot of steps from the house to the car it seems and everybody kind of was looking around

02:40:23.100 thinking yeah that that's a long distance to walk just to go to your car and that's it there was also

02:40:30.860 information i thought it was interesting about what his general activity is in terms of when he reads

02:40:36.780 messages which i gotta tell you i didn't even know there was a science to it but i'm sure if you look

02:40:41.180 at anybody's cell phone there's probably a pattern there was a pattern with him is it any different uh

02:40:47.580 during the night in question it is they said that normally he would read text messages anywhere between

02:40:54.620 5 to 40 minutes after they were received but the group text which involved the condition of his

02:41:00.460 father being in the hospital wasn't read until the next day after the murders so so walk me through this

02:41:07.660 i've been of the opinion that the prosecution has done a really strong job of showing when these killings

02:41:13.740 happen can you walk us through based on what we've seen so far in this case including today

02:41:19.100 can we be defend are we pretty sure that the killings happen at eight around 8 50 pm

02:41:25.580 well yeah because what you have is maggie reading her last text at 8 49 pm and 27 seconds paul's last text that he read

02:41:35.500 was just 30 seconds or so after that and then no more activity from either phone so

02:41:42.140 it lets you know sometime after 8 49 pm is likely when those murders occurred and we have alec leaving

02:41:51.660 the house at 10 06 okay and that is 906 i'm sorry right and and i think he calls 911 what an hour later

02:41:58.620 at 10 06 or something like that so walk me through right why it's so important they're leading up see how

02:42:03.980 the timeline doesn't make sense guys they died at around 8 50 pm but he didn't call the police until

02:42:09.100 over an hour later and all these steps in between what was he doing to this because what the big

02:42:16.380 finale is not even the big fan alley but like the crescendo of their case is going to be that video

02:42:21.660 from paul that video that was taken on his phone what time was that video is it 8 44 is it 8 47 i can't

02:42:28.300 seem to recall and on the video is allegedly you can hear alec murdoch with him at the kennels which

02:42:35.660 would contradict what he told police but also place him at the crime scene walk us through what we should

02:42:40.940 expect from the timing of that video and why it's important well that was around 8 44 that paul took

02:42:48.140 that cell phone video of his friend's dog now here we have the last text being read just a couple of

02:42:55.660 minutes after that then no activity so you have a three or four minute window there where we know alec

02:43:01.260 is there by the dog kennels at 8 44 and within three or four minutes the last texts are read by both maggie

02:43:07.980 and paul and no more activity from their phone so i think it kind of starts to get a picture of exactly

02:43:14.140 when those murders could have allegedly happened at the hand of alec murdoch gg what's the environment

02:43:20.940 like in the courtroom i mean the jurors and i would say it's the most accurate because the reality is

02:43:25.180 people are glued to their phones so if the phone locks and it hasn't been open for a significant

02:43:30.060 amount of time and you know the individual that was deceased in that period of time it's fair to say

02:43:35.260 that that it's probably closer to the time the phone locked that that individual probably may have

02:43:41.260 been uh incapacitated okay so and then on top of that uh you know you have the forensics that show how

02:43:48.060 long they had the time of death you got the bullet uh trajectories you got the wounds etc uh and then

02:43:53.500 you got his multiple steps in the area contrary to what he had told the police this is this case

02:43:59.020 guys is heavily circumstantial now what does a circumstantial case means it means that on one

02:44:04.700 piece of evidence alone it's not enough however when you go ahead and put all the pieces of evidence

02:44:09.740 together it starts to create a puzzle for you and it illustrates what more than likely happened and how

02:44:16.540 whatever was purported to have been happened to have happened could not have happened so in this

02:44:20.860 case your boy murdoch says i wasn't there blah blah blah but you find out that he was lying okay well

02:44:26.860 the fact that he was lying shows that he's not credible which we're going to talk about here in

02:44:29.420 a second when he takes a stand which was definitely i was going to ask you to write that down yeah we're

02:44:33.740 going to play some of that as well but the point is is that circumstantial evidence a lot of the times

02:44:39.340 what it does is it paints a picture that it could not have been except for this scenario that we're

02:44:44.620 displaying for you guys here because all this evidence by itself might not be strong enough

02:44:49.660 but it is significant and irrefutable and will put together with other pieces of circumstantial evidence

02:44:54.860 it paints the picture right and unlocks the real story of what happened contrary to what the defendant

02:45:01.660 is saying that's the power of circumstantial uh evidence you look at the ymle case which i suggest

02:45:07.100 you guys should all go watch that as well very similar case where he's denying killing his two friends

02:45:12.700 but when you look at the bullet wounds the bullet trajectory uh the lies that they made the witness

02:45:17.420 testimony etc it all contradicts the physical evidence so you don't have to have a murder weapon

02:45:23.820 guys a lot of the times to be able to prove that someone committed the act paying careful attention

02:45:31.100 to this cell phone evidence sometimes it can be a bit dry sometimes you can see jurors kind of fading

02:45:36.700 interest and you know not falling you know hopefully not falling asleep do they seem attentive

02:45:42.620 they seem very attentive it's a little hard to keep up with the times um because they're being said so

02:45:47.740 quickly but they are all ears nobody has really moved everybody's kind of just sitting in their seat

02:45:53.340 hanging on every word of this expert very intriguing stuff and now we actually have a display in the

02:45:59.100 courtroom we can see the non-graphic exhibits but yeah i mean it's really starting to put a little

02:46:05.180 bit of that picture together at least nailing down the time of those murders we think i'll tell you

02:46:09.500 i i think today was more interesting than yesterday there was only so much more i could hear about 300

02:46:15.580 blackout rounds and different kinds of ammunition it's important but again you don't have the murder

02:46:20.140 weapons it's kind of remember what the purpose of it was this is fine very fascinating and the reason

02:46:25.660 why they suck so much on the 300 blackout guys probably wondering why do they care so much

02:46:29.100 about this 300 blackout because it's a fairly rare round that isn't used often let's uh gg thank you

02:46:36.140 so much i know you have to jump back in the courtroom appreciate reporting great reporting as always

02:46:39.980 we're gonna take a quick break when all right so uh let's go guys real quick i only we got 1800 plus

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02:47:44.140 uh okay we should be at 1700 likes right now easy um i couldn't find the the the pictures of like the

02:47:53.900 i just have like the autopsy one that is leaked and actually the the judge uh-huh of the of the case

02:48:03.420 the he warned about the leaked picture so i just have one leaked picture and that's it like maggie

02:48:09.980 here and it's just you see can you see like this screenshot of the of the trial the trial computer

02:48:16.780 so yeah all right we could put the link in the description for them yeah so they could check it

02:48:21.100 out that's it all right fair enough i'm not surprised that everything is censored censored okay all right

02:48:27.660 so uh this is uh alex murdoch taking a stand guys um and this is an excerpt from him taking

02:48:32.540 a stand which i tell you all the time taking a stand as a defendant is one of the dumbest things

02:48:35.820 that you could do quite frankly very you stupid but at the end of the day uh the defendant ultimately

02:48:41.500 chooses if they want to take the stand which he chose to take the stand stupid as a lawyer i don't

02:48:45.500 know why the hell he took the stand but i guess he probably looked at it like yo it's a hail mary let

02:48:49.500 me get on the stand anyway because i want to be able to give the jury my take on the situation but

02:48:55.180 what does that do that opens them up to cross examination from the prosecution which is

02:49:00.220 typically where you take a big l you're stupid yeah really

02:49:11.420 mr murdoch is that you so this is defense counsel this is on direct on the kennel video at 8 44 p.m on

02:49:19.820 the night maggie and paul were murdered it is were you in fact at the kennels at 8 44 p.m on the night

02:49:28.060 maggie and paul were murdered i was okay so this is a defense by the this is a strategy by the defense

02:49:34.620 they know that the prosecution is about to attack the hell out of them and call them a liar so they're

02:49:40.060 getting ahead of it and they're saying okay tell us were you there yes you were now they're going to

02:49:46.380 ask him more than likely and i haven't even seen this so i'm just predicting here let's see if i'm

02:49:50.060 right they're going to probably ask him an open-ended question and ask him in his own words to explain

02:49:54.700 why he lied so that he can give uh a sympathy based response to the jury remember guys the

02:50:01.020 jury are human beings okay uh if you can appeal to the feels you might be able to go ahead and beat

02:50:08.060 the real which in this case we know that this dude killed his family so let's keep going did you

02:50:13.260 lie to slid agent owen and deputy laura rutland on the night of june 7th and told them that you stayed

02:50:22.060 at the house after dinner i did lie to them did you lie to agent owen and agent croft on the follow-up

02:50:28.940 interview on june 10th that the last time you saw maggie and paul was at dinner i did lie to them

02:50:37.100 and in the interview of august 11th did you tell agent owen and agent croft did you lie to them

02:50:49.580 by telling them that you were not down at the kennels on that night yes

02:50:57.580 boom alec why did you lie to agent owen agent croft and deputy rutland about the left now this is where the

02:51:06.060 defense is going to go ahead and posture and make a stand for why he lied to defend against the

02:51:11.580 prosecution's eminent beating that they're about to give this guy on the stand last time you saw maggie

02:51:18.540 and paul as my addiction evolved over time i would get in these situations or circumstances where i would

02:51:29.420 get paranoid thinking uh it could be anything that triggered it might be a look somebody gave me it

02:51:36.220 might be a reaction somebody had to something i did um it might be a policeman following me in in a car

02:51:43.420 um that night june 7th after finding

02:51:48.940 mags and paul

02:51:57.820 don't talk to anybody without danny with you all my partners were just repeatedly telling me that

02:52:06.620 i had a deputy sheriff taking gunshot tests from my hands

02:52:11.740 i'm sitting in a police car with david owen asking me about my relationship with my wife and my son

02:52:25.100 and all those things coupled together after finding them coupled with my distrust for sled

02:52:33.900 caused me to have paranoid thoughts normally

02:52:37.580 when these paranoid thoughts would hit me i could take a deep breath real quick just think about it reason

02:52:46.860 my way through it and just get past it really quickly

02:52:52.060 on june the 7th

02:52:53.100 i wasn't thinking clearly i don't think i was capable of reason

02:53:12.060 there's his son in the shot right there buster and i lied about being down there and that is not a joke

02:53:18.700 that is his real name and i'm so sorry that i did

02:53:29.100 i'm sorry to my son buster

02:53:35.500 i'm sorry to grandma and papa t

02:53:43.020 i'm sorry to both of our families

02:53:48.700 most of all

02:53:54.220 i'm sorry to max

02:53:56.460 and papa

02:54:00.140 i would never intentionally do anything to hurt either one of them

02:54:06.220 ever

02:54:15.260 ever

02:54:18.220 ever

02:54:22.700 did

02:54:26.780 did you continue lying after that night did you not but once i lied i continued to lie yes sir

02:54:33.660 so just to sum this up for y'all the reason why he lied was because he was on the drugs

02:54:42.060 paranoid and didn't trust the sled agents

02:54:45.980 that is why he lied to law enforcement

02:54:47.660 you know oh what a tangled web we weave but once i told the lie

02:55:00.940 then i told my family i

02:55:02.300 i had to keep going

02:55:18.140 alex tell the jury what happened on the evening of

02:55:21.500 tune 7th starting when you met with paul

02:55:28.300 i've been at work that day

02:55:32.060 a fairly normal day

02:55:34.060 um

02:55:38.060 let me start in the morning or

02:55:39.340 it's just regular morning maggie was leaving to go

02:55:49.100 out of town

02:55:51.260 she was she was going to a doctor's appointment

02:55:54.460 and

02:55:56.380 all right so yeah i just bought the story right now we're going to go ahead and go into

02:56:01.500 the cross examination from the prosecution this is 22 minute video but we're not going to play the

02:56:05.340 whole thing we're going to uh skim through this thing guys we got 17 out watching like the video

02:56:10.380 subscribe to the channel okay most importantly like the video let's get to 1700 likes let's get

02:56:14.380 100 engagement on this bad boy all right everybody to understand i do not dispute that i stole money

02:56:22.140 that was not my money that i misled people to do that that i misled people that

02:56:28.220 trusted me alec murdoch on the hot seat under cross-examination is he telling the truth or is he lying

02:56:37.420 the jury will have to decide and here's the problem when you take the stand when you've

02:56:41.500 already been proven to be a liar all your testimony is going to be considered what stop the cap

02:56:48.540 i'm anginette lee you're no longer a credible witness evie and welcome to law and crime sidebar

02:56:53.340 podcast one of the first things that creighton waters the assistant attorney general representing

02:56:59.020 the state of south carolina did when he was cross-examining alec murdoch assistant attorney

02:57:04.300 general that's like the second guy in charge of all prosecution in the state of south carolina

02:57:09.500 was ask him about his claim that he didn't trust sled and that's why he lied about being at the kennels

02:57:15.900 on the night of the murders it's curious because the murdoch family has basically been a part of law

02:57:21.340 enforcement for a century in the area murdoch was a volunteer assistant solicitor and carried a couple

02:57:28.220 of badges one belonging to him and one belonging to his grandfather he was asked about carrying one

02:57:34.700 when he and his dad showed up at the hospital on the night of the boat crash involving his son paul

02:57:41.740 i'll show you what's been marked as states 569 and you recognize the person on the right in that image

02:57:51.340 you know sir you don't recognize that i don't recognize him no i'm asking about that oh me is

02:57:59.900 that you yeah it looks like me all right what's hanging out of your pocket in plain view looks like

02:58:04.540 a badge you didn't recall that until i just showed you that picture no sir i did not you're on it off

02:58:10.300 for states 569 and evidence okay admit it so now he's starting to destroy his testimony oh you don't

02:58:17.740 trust police but you're walking around with a badge gotcha bitch

02:58:24.220 here we go

02:58:24.860 that's you in the white shirt is that right yes sir it is and this is the badge hanging out

02:58:37.500 of your pocket you remember which is that correct looks to be yes sir which badge is that which one

02:58:42.380 of the two do you remember no you can't tell from here okay why'd you have it hanging out of your pocket

02:58:48.220 like that i don't remember having that i don't know you don't remember that i i don't remember

02:58:54.540 that no sir did you generally walk around with your badge hanging out of your pocket

02:58:59.900 generally speaking no sir i did not or only when you wanted some advantage from it

02:59:07.180 did i did i want some advantage from wearing it like that

02:59:10.700 did i hang it out my pocket when i wanted an advantage yes

02:59:13.900 i i i may have i certainly may have what advantage did you want when then i don't even recall this

02:59:27.580 mr waters but if i was wanting some advantage as you say it i guess and i don't remember this but i

02:59:36.700 guess i would want uh you know as i said a badge has a warming effect with other law enforcement

02:59:46.780 and so if i was seeking any advantage as you say then i guess that would be what it was

02:59:53.180 all right so we got the badge see how we danced around it but he basically

02:59:56.060 came to the final conclusion like i want preferential treatment because i'm a murdoch

03:00:02.380 maybe accidentally hanging out of your pocket you won't concede that you did that purposefully

03:00:06.700 i mean mr waters if you want me to say i did that on purpose i don't have a problem with that i'm

03:00:13.420 saying i don't remember that all right so can i tell you that i did that on purpose no sir i can't

03:00:19.900 can i say that that this happened by accident no sir i can't what i can say is i don't remember it

03:00:26.620 and that's not how i would normally that's just not how i would normally

03:00:34.460 you know that's that's just not it's not something i did that's not a normal thing so i don't know

03:00:42.620 when asked by creighton waters alec murdoch says he was aware there was a criminal investigation underway

03:00:49.020 into the investigation of the boat crash and the claim that alec murdoch tried to influence the

03:00:55.820 witnesses the victims of that boat crash by getting them to and you was right not talk to

03:01:01.900 law enforcement among other things another really big moment on cross-examination happened when alec

03:01:08.060 murdoch claimed that he wanted to meet with law enforcement after his arrest to tell them about his

03:01:14.220 opioid addiction and other things involving the financial crimes but creighton waters said

03:01:20.700 there was no such meeting requested alec murdoch didn't want to do that and he simply changes his

03:01:26.380 story to fit the evidence and mr waters just to be clear i was begging for a meeting with y'all to try

03:01:33.980 to bring this to a close to to talk to y'all about everything up until the time that y'all charged me

03:01:40.060 with hurting maggie and paul now at after that point in time

03:01:48.460 i stopped obviously that you were begging for a meeting and information but you admit information

03:01:54.540 was never conveyed that you wanted to change your story after multiple interviews with law enforcement

03:02:02.060 about what happened that night including the most important fact of all which is when the last time you

03:02:07.580 supposedly saw your wife and son alive was i don't know exactly what was conveyed or not because to

03:02:15.020 you because i wasn't part of all i know is what i was trying to do was to sit down

03:02:23.340 i understood to bring all this to a close that y'all would want me to sit down and go through all of

03:02:30.380 these financial things all of these things that i've done wrong and to try to bring that to a close

03:02:38.620 yeah he yeah seriously stop the cap he ain't doing that he's a lawyer he knows anything that

03:02:42.540 he says so police will be used against him in a court of law he's not stupid he ain't doing that

03:02:46.620 i was repeatedly trying to sit down with y'all the reality is mr murdoch is the reason why no one's

03:02:53.660 ever heard that before it's because you had to sit in this courtroom and hear your family and your

03:02:58.780 friends one after the other come in and testify that you were on that kennel video so you like

03:03:03.660 you've done so many times over the course of your life had to back up and make a new story that kind

03:03:08.380 of fit with the facts that can't be denied isn't that true sir no sir that's not true you've done that

03:03:14.220 over and over again over the years with all of this we've been talking about haven't you

03:03:17.100 i've done what over and over again the second that you're confronted with facts that you can't deny

03:03:24.460 you immediately come up with a new lie isn't that correct

03:03:31.660 mr waters have we established i have lied many times but i can't sit here and tell you that what

03:03:37.660 are you talking about facts that i can't deny that i i would disagree with that proposition that

03:03:43.340 you're putting out that that was what i did all the time but in in doing that i admit again that i

03:03:49.660 have lied to people that trusted me

03:03:59.340 so we can agree that the prosecution and law enforcement and so many of your friends and family

03:04:08.460 heard for the first time your story about the kennels yesterday after all these weeks of testimony

03:04:16.940 can we agree on that the law enforcement my partners and my friends heard me say that for the first time

03:04:27.100 yes i agree with that i think everyone watching this case has been wondering where did all of the money

03:04:32.700 go they between eight million and ten million dollars that alec murdoch has admitted to stealing

03:04:38.700 from clients as he's testified he was questioned about his lifestyle and whether or not he considered

03:04:45.100 himself living a wealthy lifestyle would you concede with me that not all this money was going

03:04:50.860 to pills at this point in time guys 1.5k likes we're going to finish this video off strong i need

03:04:56.460 y'all to get me to 1.7k likes 100 engagement before you close the video all right

03:05:06.060 all the stolen money

03:05:09.500 no i doubt that it was okay and it was being used to support your wealthy lifestyle

03:05:17.980 well i haven't looked at all these documents to know exactly what was being spent where but here's

03:05:25.260 what i do know i know that i was making a bunch of money and i should have had i should have had

03:05:33.340 more money than i did and i know that i was spending a bunch of money on pills and i know that

03:05:42.540 you know i just i don't remember in 2011 if those i just can't remember those land deals but

03:05:47.900 you know if if i spent money on other things i don't dispute that either i just haven't looked

03:05:53.340 at the records okay

03:05:58.300 but you would at least concede that the money you were stealing was going to support

03:06:04.220 your ever expanding wealthy lifestyle would you concede that did all of the money i stole

03:06:11.260 any of it mr murdoch any of it yeah i would certainly agree that

03:06:14.940 there was money that that didn't go to buy just pills all right and you would concede that even

03:06:21.660 though you were generating millions of dollars in fees that was not enough for you would you concede

03:06:29.660 that if if by concede that you mean was i also stealing money that i shouldn't have yes sir i agree

03:06:39.020 with that i've said that repeatedly we know that alec murdoch has stolen from many clients one of

03:06:45.340 them was a teenager creighton waters questioned alec murdoch about that let's talk about uh let's

03:06:52.300 start with natasha thomas do you remember her i do how old was she when she became your client i'm not

03:06:58.860 sure she was young she was a teenager i'm not sure but i know she was young she was underage correct

03:07:04.700 but yes she was underage i do believe that all right i know that and can you tell me what the uh

03:07:12.620 she was injured in this wreck with uh in an automobile wreck correct yes and the company

03:07:20.140 michelin that was uh one of the defendants for an alleged tire issue is that correct that is correct

03:07:25.740 all right and do you remember how much natasha thomas got

03:07:28.300 in that particular case and i can show it to you on 334 you remember how much you got as a gross

03:07:34.060 settlement i believe it shows two million two million dollars two million dollars all right

03:07:38.220 and how much were your or pmp these fees that would be attributed to you and that out of that two million

03:07:44.060 dollars eight hundred thousand dollars eight hundred thousand dollars yes sir all right excuse me yes sir

03:07:57.740 all right and so that would be eight hundred thousand dollars in fees that would get attributed to you

03:08:02.380 that has nothing to do with the money that you subsequently stole from that teenager

03:08:06.940 that is correct all right when you did that did you sit down with her much as you sat down with this

03:08:35.900 jury and explain to her what was going on while you were stealing her money that would be the normal

03:08:43.980 process but i nope i certainly don't remember specifically doing that that would be the normal

03:08:49.980 process correct that would be it may be a little different with a teenager but certainly i mean you

03:08:56.860 would sit down with them across the table and go through these documents correct

03:09:00.220 if that that would not be abnormal yes sir all right and then you would try you would explain to

03:09:08.460 them what was going on and how they were getting everything they were entitled to correct if i was

03:09:13.500 the one doing it yes sir and you would look them in the eye while you did that correct it wouldn't be

03:09:18.860 unusual for me to look them in the eye while you were doing some fast talking to a teenager correct

03:09:23.180 i certainly was not telling her the truth i don't know if i was talking fast or slow but i wasn't

03:09:31.340 telling the truth creighton waters that boy took the money from her bro also asked alec murdoch about

03:09:38.620 what he was doing the weekend before the murders and basically murdoch and his wife maggie were in

03:09:44.860 columbia for a baseball game but alec murdoch was spending a lot of time in the hotel guys we're still

03:09:50.380 at 1.5k likes man get it to 1700 god damn it come on man we're still going hard in the paint

03:09:56.620 to filming another video walk a flock tomorrow iso kenny tomorrow after hours tomorrow vegas this week

03:10:03.580 we're gonna film a bunch of content with a bunch of creators out there in vegas man ain't nobody

03:10:07.340 working harder than us these bum ass reaction channels that talk shit apple and peach moist

03:10:12.220 critical loser fucking play layback you know what i mean these fucking dorks these guys are all bums

03:10:20.380 we surpass them for a reason we go hard in the paint in different genres we don't just do stupid

03:10:26.140 reactions we cover crime we cover how to make money we bring celebrities on teach you how to become

03:10:30.860 better men teach how to get girls teach you guys how to fucking get your shit together man number one

03:10:36.940 fucking podcast in the world when it comes to male self-improvement doesn't even come close

03:10:41.500 book is in stores why women women deserve less ain't nobody going as hard as us

03:10:45.340 all right yeah i'm gonna talk my shit so like the goddamn video get us a 1.7 god damn it because

03:10:52.620 we work harder than all these pussy motherfuckers and y'all know it too man

03:10:57.980 pal and water suggested he may have been doing that because he was agitated all right tell the jury

03:11:06.380 where were you when these sets were taking place i was in the hotel and where what city were you in

03:11:13.260 columbia south carolina and where um

03:11:23.820 i'm not exactly sure where they were when they first started but they would have been somewhere

03:11:30.300 between a hotel a restaurant and the ball field all right but when you send this text on

03:11:36.460 june 6th at 11 41 you say y'all in seat already correct yes that's what i did say all right and

03:11:45.020 they say yeah maggie says yes we like these seats is that correct all right that's correct i didn't

03:11:49.980 notice that so at that point in time they are in the ballpark all right and then you respond

03:11:57.500 better than last night they extended checkout to one

03:12:00.380 going to come then is that correct that's what that text says yes sir all right so you're back

03:12:05.180 at the room is that right yes sir

03:12:15.260 later on you text after she asked you to bring a charger and says muggy you text i'm dreading it

03:12:22.380 see you in a little bit is that correct that's what i said yes sir

03:12:30.700 she responds don't come but then asks about the charger and says it's hot is that correct

03:12:40.860 mr warden yes i assume you were reading it exactly so yes sir

03:12:45.580 she eventually responds not crowded but not the place to come if you don't feel well very hot and

03:13:02.940 muggy we are inside sitting at the bar very nice indoors is that correct that's what it says yes sir

03:13:08.380 and then you respond out by accident they are making me leave so i'll see y'all in a few is that

03:13:15.100 correct that's correct and who was making you leave where uh it was it was past checkout time at the hotel

03:13:24.460 after you've gotten an extended checkout correct it appears so

03:13:27.900 and the reality is is that you were in that hotel suffering from withdrawals when that's going

03:13:43.500 on is that correct i was beginning to yes sir all right and the reality is is that

03:13:49.500 your wife and your son were on you at that time period because they had found pills just a few weeks

03:13:58.460 prior no sir that's not correct then creighton waters moved on to the lead up to that kennel video

03:14:07.980 on the day of the murders the all-important which is not true because they definitely did

03:14:12.620 see the pills and paul had texted him saying hey mom found the pills and she's not happy

03:14:18.060 so that was stop the cow from him kennel video taken at 8 44 p.m murdoch talked about eating dinner

03:14:25.660 with paul and maggie before paul and maggie went down to the kennels and what did you do after that

03:14:32.540 i came back out sat out on the couch to eat dinner what about what time was that

03:14:39.020 a few minutes later it didn't take me long to shower

03:14:41.500 and you say paul was already eating at that point he was you say he left first

03:14:51.340 what i what i said is he got up and he finished eating and he left our immediate vicinity now um

03:15:03.020 i don't believe he left at that point given what i've looked at time records and all i believe

03:15:12.220 that he was around the house for a little bit longer and just to be clear but i didn't see him

03:15:21.740 all of this detail was people were hearing for the first time yesterday like we talked about before

03:15:26.300 correct say that again all of this detail that we're going through right now is not

03:15:33.980 anything that you related before we're all hearing this for the first time yesterday objection your

03:15:38.940 honor fifth amendment privilege jackson's overruled so yes i i did not tell law enforcement

03:15:52.060 that's his future

03:16:03.180 actually i don't think law enforcement asked me what i did when we first went to the house but

03:16:07.180 i clearly lied to law enforcement about what i what i said yesterday okay and all of this the last

03:16:16.460 time you saw your supposedly saw your wife and child all of this detail you you as a lawyer and

03:16:24.140 a prosecutor didn't think that was important to offer on your own oh i think it's important you told

03:16:29.740 this jury how cooperative you were been you've been and how much information you want to provide but

03:16:33.900 you left out the most important parts didn't you i left out i left out that i sure did you don't

03:16:40.700 consider that one the most gotcha bitch i think it's important now since the murders happened alec

03:16:47.420 murdoch has never mentioned being down at the kennels with paul and maggie but on the stand he had to admit

03:16:54.140 it because his voice is on the video we've all heard it that kennel video happened and was taken by paul

03:16:59.900 at 8 44 p.m nobody knew about that video until march of 2022 almost a year after the murders

03:17:08.460 alec murdoch says that he took that chicken out of bubba's mouth and then went straight back to the

03:17:14.220 house prosecutors though say five minutes later paul and maggie were murdered listen to alec murdoch's

03:17:20.700 explanation oh it is gonna be good down there for a couple minutes i think you've said now before you get

03:17:26.140 off the golf cart about yes sir all right and where do you go at that point i take the chicken

03:17:36.220 from bubba all right so you get up well i mean bubba's you know bubba's come out there with this

03:17:43.020 chicken showing us hey i caught this chicken and i take the chicken from bubba

03:17:49.820 he came up by the golf cart he came up to maggie and i which i was on the golf cart she's by the

03:17:57.980 golf cart i mean he's not coming to the golf cart but he's coming to us is this during the kennel

03:18:02.460 video or is this after the kennel video well no you hear maggie say he's got a chicken that's what

03:18:09.100 she's talking about is bubba caught a chicken all right all right so is the kennel video still going on

03:18:16.300 before you go get the chicken i mean you've heard it correct you've heard in this courtroom i don't

03:18:21.820 know exactly um i don't know exactly but in close time into bubba coming out of those woods with the

03:18:29.900 chicken i got up and took the chicken from him so did you say goodbye according to your new story

03:18:39.740 did i say goodbye yeah did you talk to them at all or did you just get the chicken put it on there

03:18:45.020 jump on there and just take off i wouldn't have just gone off i mean i would have said i'm leaving

03:18:49.820 okay did i say goodbye bye and again go ahead i mean there would have been some you know there would

03:18:55.180 have been some exchange i'm not staying here what was that exchange i mean you have you've had such

03:19:02.460 a photographic memory about these new stories what what what happened here it's not i can't tell you

03:19:09.820 the exact words you don't remember your conversation after you put that chicken up did y'all talk about

03:19:16.220 the chicken no i don't think we did did you talk with paul about cash's tail after the chicken yeah

03:19:25.580 no i know i didn't do that did you tell maggie i'm gonna go check on him at that point no i don't

03:19:32.060 i don't i don't think tell maggie oh it's hot out here if they don't go back i certainly would have

03:19:37.420 said something to that effect all right so unlike everything else for the new story you just can't

03:19:43.980 recall what what that would have been well you know i mean you're making that categorization i think

03:19:51.020 there's other things about that that i can't remember but if the question is can i remember exactly

03:19:56.460 what words i used when i gave maggie some uh salutation when i'm leaving i can't tell you what

03:20:05.500 those were all right but it would have been something to the effect of i'm leaving all right

03:20:10.460 okay what you would concede that there was man it's over nine thousand these lie levels at least some

03:20:17.100 conversation that you wouldn't have just put the chicken on there and jump ran back to the golf cart

03:20:21.260 and taken off without talking to maggie i would have never done that and that's it for the top

03:20:26.300 incredible all right so needless to say my boy ended up getting uh you know found guilty okay let's

03:20:34.300 read the let's see the verdict here hold on docket number number 2022 gs 1500592 the state of south

03:20:51.900 carolina county of colleton in the court of general sessions in the term of 2022 july the state versus

03:21:03.020 richard alexander murdoch defendant indictment for murder sc code 16-3-0010 cdr code 0116

03:21:15.740 the state of south carolina county of colleton in the court of general sessions

03:21:45.740 in the cirsonghowitz uh dot name code again signed by the court even難 mi uma

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03:21:58.620 idos are a red card is great you can qualify that they need to leave again

03:21:59.820 for the court uh

03:22:01.100 those are all fitted a red card and in the court and out

03:22:01.840 and now that when deberone the court gotvin the court should vote

03:22:02.620 it was the court through the court being

03:22:04.300 to pathways other people have her the court will go up in the court

03:22:04.700 taxes the court э open esther

03:22:10.800 lit is ha Hey white

03:22:11.780 Docket number 2022-GS15-00595, the State of South Carolina, County of Colleton, Court of General Sessions, July Term 2022, the State v. Richard Alexander Murdoch, defendant, indictment for possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime.

03:22:35.900 SC Code-16-23-0490, CDR Code-0549, verdict guilty.

03:22:51.200 This is why you don't listen to Pop Smoke before you kill your family.

03:22:55.500 I'll pop a broken go retarded.

03:22:58.740 Signed by the foreperson of the jury, date 3-2-23.

03:23:05.900 Docket number 2022-GS-15-00594, the State of South Carolina, County of Colleton, Court of General Sessions, July Term 2022, the State v. Richard Alexander Murdoch, defendant,

03:23:23.360 indictment for possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime.

03:23:28.320 SC Code-16-23-0490, CDR Code-0549, verdict guilty.

03:23:38.920 Signed by the foreperson of the jury, date 3-2-23.

03:23:45.000 He was like, guilty on all counts, fuck.

03:23:48.000 Bro, this is what happens, man.

03:23:49.440 My man was playing fucking Pop Smoke Invincible.

03:23:52.180 I feel invincible.

03:23:55.320 I'm off a broken go retarded.

03:23:57.240 And then he just goes in and starts shooting crazy.

03:24:00.800 BONG!

03:24:01.680 Next thing you know.

03:24:03.720 BONG!

03:24:04.540 He's like, hey!

03:24:08.240 You know what I'm saying?

03:24:09.680 BONG!

03:24:11.700 He thought he was invincible.

03:24:13.160 Next thing you know, South Carolina's like, nah, bro.

03:24:15.420 You are not invincible.

03:24:17.300 Denied.

03:24:17.960 Yeah.

03:24:18.840 Facts.

03:24:19.760 You're going to jail now.

03:24:21.780 Denied.

03:24:22.580 Oh, Lord.

03:24:23.580 And then, it gets even crazier.

03:24:26.180 He gets sentenced.

03:24:28.820 Hold on.

03:24:31.160 ...prisoned today.

03:24:32.420 The morning after, the jury found him guilty of murdering his wife and son.

03:24:36.620 It took jurors...

03:24:37.800 My bad, guys.

03:24:38.500 Let me share a screen.

03:24:39.900 ...less than three hours to hand down their...

03:24:42.240 Less than three hours!

03:24:43.480 ...invection, but what was it like inside the jury?

03:24:46.460 That was easy.

03:24:47.260 ...and as that and much more from South Carolina.

03:24:50.420 It's Alex Murdoch as you've never seen him before.

03:24:53.440 In a prison jumpsuit and flip-flops and shackles.

03:24:56.960 And he went down swinging, still insisting he's innocent of the crime that shocked America.

03:25:02.940 I'm innocent.

03:25:03.860 He's still got that pop smoke playing his head.

03:25:05.680 I feel invisible.

03:25:07.400 I'll probably get into it.

03:25:08.620 I would never hurt my wife, Maggie, and I would never hurt my son, Pawpaw.

03:25:15.280 Murdoch's son...

03:25:15.900 Grrrr!

03:25:17.400 ...buster and brother John Marvin were in court as Judge Clifton Newman blasted the disgraced attorney.

03:25:23.600 You've engaged in such duplicitous conduct here in the courtroom.

03:25:30.040 He's telling the judge, wait, wait, grrrr!

03:25:34.420 What the fuck?

03:25:36.180 ...here on the witness stand.

03:25:38.340 And I know you have to see Paul and Maggie during the night times when you're attempting to go to sleep.

03:25:45.440 I'm sure they come and visit you.

03:25:47.060 ...all day and every night.

03:25:49.140 And then Judge Newman said, and I bet you remember the last time they looked you in the eyes.

03:25:54.340 I got chills down my spine.

03:25:56.380 The judge gave Murdoch a chance to say more.

03:25:59.100 May I tell you again, I respect this court, but I'm innocent.

03:26:04.880 The judge wasn't having it.

03:26:06.800 It might not have been you.

03:26:07.780 It might have been the monster you become when you take 15, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 opioid pills.

03:26:22.720 Then the sentence.

03:26:24.740 A Papa Papa could go retarded.

03:26:27.620 He even said it.

03:26:28.620 The judge was like, maybe it wasn't you.

03:26:29.740 It was the guy after.

03:26:30.820 Yeah, he was listening to that pop of smoke before he did.

03:26:33.160 I'm telling you, man.

03:26:33.920 I sentence you for a term of the rest of your natural life.

03:26:39.200 And we do follow inside of this.

03:26:40.940 I spoke exclusively to Judge Newman today.

03:26:44.080 Enjoyed the media, enjoyed everyone.

03:26:45.960 It's been a great experience.

03:26:47.900 For me, not so much for some others.

03:26:50.340 Today, we're getting a fascinating look inside the jury room.

03:26:53.140 After six weeks of testimony, it took less than three hours for them to announce the guilty verdict.

03:26:59.080 Juror Craig Moyer spoke to good news.

03:27:01.020 Yeah, that's fast, bro.

03:27:02.000 Morning America.

03:27:03.260 Did you feel like he was a liar?

03:27:05.480 A good liar, but not good enough.

03:27:09.540 He says the juror's initial vote was nine guilty, two not guilty, and one not sure.

03:27:16.520 What was your vote?

03:27:17.540 Guilty.

03:27:18.040 From the start.

03:27:19.180 Yes.

03:27:19.840 He says it only took about 45 minutes of discussion to reach a unanimous verdict.

03:27:24.980 He says this was the most crucial piece of evidence.

03:27:28.580 Hey, he's got burned in his mouth.

03:27:30.620 The kennel video that placed Murdoch at the scene minutes before the murders.

03:27:36.120 Murdoch admitted on the stand that it was, in fact, his voice, despite earlier denials that he was there.

03:27:42.400 When he said it was him, were you surprised?

03:27:44.820 No, very surprised.

03:27:45.600 We spoke to prominent jury consultant Dr. Joe Ellen Demetrius.

03:27:49.980 I really believe that, maybe not consciously, but subconsciously, these jurors probably had the thought that, you know, this man has pulled the wool over our eyes and other people's eyes for years, and now it's got to stop.

03:28:05.820 The jury's quick decision caught everyone by surprise.

03:28:09.520 Breaking news coming into the Situation Room right now.

03:28:12.300 The jury has reached a verdict in the Alex Murdoch murder trial.

03:28:16.420 Guilty verdict.

03:28:18.200 As soon as the verdicts were read, Murdoch was slapped in handcuffs.

03:28:23.000 He mouthed, I'm sorry, I love you, to Buster, who showed zero emotion.

03:28:28.360 Then, damn.

03:28:29.680 Wow.

03:28:30.560 Bro, I think he knows his dad did it, bro.

03:28:32.520 I think he knows, he popped that plug and we're retarded.

03:28:36.060 Yeah, he just knew that.

03:28:37.220 He knew it, bro.

03:28:38.500 Yeah.

03:28:38.760 Murdoch was led away.

03:28:40.460 We were all stunned by how quick this verdict came in.

03:28:43.860 The one thing that I said to you on the set yesterday is, I'm not certain what the verdict is, but I'm certain that they're going to deliberate for a while.

03:28:50.960 I thought the timing was either shocking, actually.

03:28:55.020 And there's an intriguing what-if question today regarding the jury.

03:28:58.840 According to one published report, the juror who was removed at the 11th hour yesterday could have caused a hung jury if she had remained.

03:29:07.320 She said he was not guilty and there was nothing anyone could do to change her mind.

03:29:11.680 Bruh, of course it's a female, man.

03:29:13.760 Boom, bro.

03:29:14.860 Boom, booker!

03:29:15.820 Guys, book in stores.

03:29:16.940 Why women deserve less, bro?

03:29:18.460 Because they go with their feelings instead of what's really going on.

03:29:21.860 Book is in stores.

03:29:23.000 Why women deserve less?

03:29:23.980 You can get it in paperback or hardcover.

03:29:26.380 I'm waiting for the fucking hardcover, man.

03:29:29.180 Or, yeah, get the hardcover, guys.

03:29:30.480 It's a lot better.

03:29:31.340 It's better quality.

03:29:32.320 And it's also on Kindle for $10 if you want as well.

03:29:35.140 If you're, you know, one of them boys, if you know what I'm saying.

03:29:38.420 Or if you're money's tight.

03:29:39.940 And Audible version coming very soon.

03:29:41.780 But this is why, bro.

03:29:42.620 Real talk, man.

03:29:43.860 Yeah, listen.

03:29:44.560 I've got a question.

03:29:46.700 Does those jury can ever get bribed?

03:29:50.380 It's happened before, yeah.

03:29:53.820 Because for being so wealthy, you think, like, you will pay some people, right?

03:29:58.200 Yeah, it could be, yeah.

03:30:00.300 So it's happened before where there's been, like, jury tampering for sure.

03:30:04.000 It's definitely happened before.

03:30:05.940 So, yeah.

03:30:07.000 Guys, get the book.

03:30:09.240 Why women deserve less?

03:30:10.160 All right, guys.

03:30:10.880 For jurors like this that aren't able to divorce their emotions from facts.

03:30:14.920 The report claims she was dug in.

03:30:18.320 She would have hung the jury.

03:30:20.100 She didn't express an opinion to us.

03:30:23.300 She said she was open.

03:30:25.000 She had made up her mind.

03:30:26.480 Several of the jurors returned today to watch the sentencing.

03:30:29.340 And as they left, they were applauded by bystanders.

03:30:34.420 Horax lawyers say they plan to appeal.

03:30:36.640 Yeah, everybody knows.

03:30:37.520 Yeah, of course they're going to appeal.

03:30:39.180 But, all right, guys, that summarizes the entire case.

03:30:44.580 Angie, what are your final thoughts?

03:30:46.700 Well, they didn't mention, we didn't mention the allegations that were on Buster.

03:30:52.240 I don't know if you know, but, like, people were thinking that he killed a teenager back in 2015.

03:30:59.840 Ah, yes, yes, yes.

03:31:00.940 You heard that?

03:31:01.340 Yes, the guy that was found on the side of the, the kid that was found on the side of the road that they were also able to attribute.

03:31:06.580 So how many deaths is that?

03:31:08.100 We got the mother and the son.

03:31:09.900 One, we got the girl on the boat.

03:31:12.340 We got the housekeeper.

03:31:14.320 And now we got this fifth guy, which we didn't cover because it didn't have too much to do with this story.

03:31:18.980 Yes.

03:31:19.220 Um, but, uh, but yeah, that there was a random, there was a teenager that was found, a young man found on the road awkwardly.

03:31:26.780 And they weren't sure if he got hit by a car, if he was murdered.

03:31:29.080 But that also was tied back to the Murdauls as well.

03:31:32.240 Yes.

03:31:32.560 So, I left that out because it wasn't really too relevant to the story.

03:31:35.760 But, what are your final thoughts, Angie?

03:31:37.160 No, people think that he did it.

03:31:38.980 But, yeah, I mean, that's why he's called, like, the Murdaul, uh, Murdauls.

03:31:44.380 But, yeah, um, I don't know, man.

03:31:47.060 Yeah, I mean, it's obvious.

03:31:48.960 Like, any other case, it's another family, Annihilators.

03:31:53.060 Annihilators, what's the word?

03:31:54.600 Annihilators?

03:31:55.360 Annihilators.

03:31:56.080 I can't even say it, but, yeah, it's another one.

03:31:58.820 Fair enough.

03:31:59.380 All right, I'll read these chats real quick, and then we'll close this thing out.

03:32:02.980 Let's see here.

03:32:04.060 It's Dutch Boy.

03:32:04.700 What make a bullet travel like this?

03:32:07.100 Is it the bone?

03:32:09.440 That was probably when you explained, like, the bullet.

03:32:11.900 That question was answered.

03:32:13.200 Hey, Mara, big friend of the show.

03:32:14.180 I was wondering if you could cover the Marcus Wesson case in Fresno, California.

03:32:16.940 Actually, I was reading that case.

03:32:19.740 Oh, you were?

03:32:20.880 Yes, man.

03:32:22.660 I'm Tony Carrillo.

03:32:24.340 Man, I'm disgusted.

03:32:25.600 This case is so crazy.

03:32:28.420 Okay.

03:32:28.660 Sure.

03:32:28.980 Look it up.

03:32:30.200 Brian and Edge.

03:32:32.200 Hey, yo, Edge, put down in your book Ash Vlogs by Nextball.

03:32:35.820 I'm sure the chat can agree on this.

03:32:37.780 Right.

03:32:38.220 Again, guys, like, don't put requests on the chat.

03:32:41.000 I mean, you can, but, like, I wouldn't remember, so it's better if you leave it on the comment

03:32:44.840 section.

03:32:45.720 Are you doing any more serial killers also?

03:32:47.740 Yeah.

03:32:47.960 Golden State Killer is probably going to be next.

03:32:50.060 Yes.

03:32:50.360 Golden State Killer is probably going to be the next one.

03:32:51.520 Golden State Killer?

03:32:52.580 Yeah, unless there's something else that's higher up on the totem pole.

03:32:54.880 Of course.

03:32:55.400 We have Ed Gein and Edmund Kemper, which I've been telling you we do.

03:33:00.360 Who?

03:33:00.560 We need to Edmund Kemper, Ed Kemper, and Ed Gein.

03:33:04.520 Okay.

03:33:04.900 I don't know who Ed Kemper is.

03:33:08.300 What about who's up higher on the list?

03:33:10.940 Golden State Warrior or Berkowitz?

03:33:13.060 What?

03:33:13.820 Berkowitz is the son of Sam.

03:33:15.320 Yes, yes.

03:33:16.600 He's also on the list.

03:33:17.720 What was your question?

03:33:19.200 No, I said who's higher on the list.

03:33:20.400 Like, do they want Golden State Killer first or Berkowitz, son of Sam?

03:33:23.400 Probably the Golden State Killer, yeah.

03:33:25.660 You know what?

03:33:26.100 Maybe I'll do a poll right now.

03:33:28.380 Can you do a...

03:33:29.900 Shit.

03:33:30.880 Okay.

03:33:31.180 I'll do a poll.

03:33:31.620 Hey, Myron, I've watched your podcast for two years, and I thank you for everything you've

03:33:36.860 taught me.

03:33:37.760 Never a Ninja Watcher, thank you for the video.

03:33:39.540 I have an FM.

03:33:40.060 Also, I'm in college about to get a second job.

03:33:41.380 Good stuff, my friend.

03:33:42.020 Chief Keefe goes, Momo Murda, tell me what you're going to do when there ain't nowhere to

03:33:46.720 hide.

03:33:47.100 Y'all missed my Espaniel super chat.

03:33:48.780 Did I?

03:33:49.380 I don't think so.

03:33:50.160 Nine out financial crimes.

03:33:51.480 Nine out financial crimes with his family ain't one.

03:33:53.380 By the way, the Pocket Town is a Chicago gang slash hood.

03:33:59.040 Michael Meestroke, thank you very much for a dollar.

03:34:01.580 Jiru, any tips to not be shy when speaking to new people?

03:34:04.180 Just do it often, and you'll get used to it.

03:34:06.500 And then I think we're caught up here with the chats.

03:34:09.880 Cool.

03:34:10.440 And then let me do a quick poll for y'all real fast.

03:34:13.720 Let's see here.

03:34:14.880 You know what?

03:34:15.160 I'll give you guys a chance here.

03:34:16.680 I will do a couple of polls, and I'll get it going right now, start a poll.

03:34:23.940 So I'll give you guys a couple ones.

03:34:27.260 Next, serial killer.

03:34:31.100 Okay.

03:34:32.000 We're going to go Son of Sam.

03:34:38.420 Okay.

03:34:39.940 Who's the other one?

03:34:40.860 Son of Sam.

03:34:42.520 Ed Gein.

03:34:44.100 Ed Kemper.

03:34:44.780 Ed Kemper?

03:34:47.160 Kemper, yes.

03:34:48.560 Ed Kemper?

03:34:49.680 Ed Edmon Kemper.

03:34:51.380 Okay, Ed Kemper.

03:34:52.740 Okay, and then who else is another one that people want?

03:34:57.540 Ed.

03:34:58.220 I can't know that.

03:34:59.860 Too many.

03:35:01.140 And if you guys are wondering, Ed Gein is who Texas Chainsaw Massacre was modeled after.

03:35:05.000 Well, we also have the Amazon Review Killer.

03:35:08.080 Okay.

03:35:09.760 I don't really know his name.

03:35:11.340 I don't know how to pronounce it.

03:35:11.720 Amazon Killer, all right.

03:35:12.820 Yes, Amazon Review Killer.

03:35:14.780 We have Aileen Wuornos pending as well.

03:35:19.440 Oh, yeah.

03:35:19.920 Let me put her in here.

03:35:21.960 Look at that.

03:35:22.780 There's so many.

03:35:24.860 Okay, let's see what they say.

03:35:26.920 I don't even know who Ed Kemper is.

03:35:29.420 Oh, no.

03:35:29.780 You do need to know, though.

03:35:30.880 You know what?

03:35:31.400 Let me put Golden State Killer.

03:35:32.800 Co-Ed Killer.

03:35:33.500 Who's Co-Ed Killer?

03:35:35.360 That guy was crazy.

03:35:36.740 These guys are way more famous.

03:35:38.100 These four that I'm putting.

03:35:39.060 All right.

03:35:39.540 Let's see what the audience says right now.

03:35:41.060 I just put the poll up.

03:35:41.880 Poll is live, guys.

03:35:43.460 Poll is live.

03:35:46.240 Let's see what y'all say.

03:35:49.520 Holy shit.

03:35:50.580 Okay.

03:35:51.960 Okay.

03:35:52.400 I'm voting.

03:35:53.500 It's flying.

03:35:55.200 It is literally all over the place right now.

03:35:58.380 Let's.

03:35:59.580 I'll go ahead and share the screen with y'all real fast.

03:36:02.300 What the chat is saying.

03:36:04.340 Real time.

03:36:07.120 Yes.

03:36:07.620 Real time, guys.

03:36:09.940 These are the ones that stay until the end.

03:36:12.680 Yeah.

03:36:13.060 Let's see here.

03:36:15.000 They gave Alien Werdos the last.

03:36:17.500 They gave her zero, bro.

03:36:18.580 I guess women deserve less for real.

03:36:20.260 For y'all.

03:36:20.640 Okay.

03:36:22.180 Oh, wow.

03:36:23.000 Okay.

03:36:23.340 Y'all want Ed Gein.

03:36:25.080 Okay.

03:36:25.460 But it's the only woman and also.

03:36:28.600 Did you put Ed Kemper, though?

03:36:30.520 I'll keep it a thousand with y'all.

03:36:31.820 Alien Werdos has a way better story than Ed Gein.

03:36:33.900 But if y'all want Ed Gein, we'll do Ed Gein.

03:36:35.940 You didn't put Ed Kemper.

03:36:37.460 No, I didn't have space.

03:36:39.360 Right.

03:36:39.720 So I put the most space.

03:36:40.560 These guys are probably.

03:36:42.340 Of the serial killers left, we already did the big ones.

03:36:44.600 Ted Bundy, all that shit.

03:36:46.780 But of the serial killers that are left.

03:36:48.120 I'm going to vote for Aileen.

03:36:49.660 I already saw her story.

03:36:51.460 I think her story is better than Ed Gein, to be honest.

03:36:55.100 But if y'all want.

03:36:56.900 Okay.

03:36:57.240 Well, women killers are way different from men killers.

03:37:02.140 Yeah.

03:37:02.600 For many reasons.

03:37:03.940 But basically, it's because women kill for motive.

03:37:06.700 Men kill for compulsion.

03:37:08.460 So, yeah.

03:37:09.620 Yeah.

03:37:11.060 Yeah.

03:37:11.800 All right.

03:37:12.300 Well, I guess in this case.

03:37:15.300 Yeah.

03:37:15.860 It looks like it's going to be Ed Gein.

03:37:18.440 I did the Zodiac already.

03:37:19.800 I see some of you guys put Zodiac.

03:37:23.000 For all y'all that are screaming Aileen, vote, bro.

03:37:26.440 What?

03:37:26.980 Vote.

03:37:27.220 Yeah.

03:37:27.480 Y'all in the chat saying Aileen, Aileen.

03:37:30.100 Then click Aileen on the poll, man.

03:37:32.640 That's why it's there.

03:37:33.960 Trying to get y'all a vote.

03:37:34.800 But it looks like Ed Gein is the winner, man.

03:37:36.400 49%.

03:37:37.000 He's smacking everybody.

03:37:38.200 Nobody else can really compete.

03:37:39.640 Well, it's very famous.

03:37:40.920 I think he was the one that inspired the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

03:37:48.060 I mean, very loosely.

03:37:49.860 Like, Ed Gein wasn't a big, humbling, like, retard.

03:37:52.600 Like, you know, running around with an actual chainsaw.

03:37:55.280 He was a retard, I think.

03:37:56.940 He was.

03:37:57.480 No, he actually wasn't.

03:37:58.620 He was.

03:37:59.260 That's what I'm saying.

03:38:00.120 Like, he was literally a retard.

03:38:01.600 No, he wasn't.

03:38:02.120 Oh, the character in Texas Chainsaw Leatherface was.

03:38:04.960 Yes.

03:38:05.220 No, no, no.

03:38:05.900 The guy had something in his mind.

03:38:09.620 He was just crazy after his mom died, but he wasn't retarded.

03:38:12.400 Was it?

03:38:12.960 Yeah, he just had, like, a downward spiral after.

03:38:15.960 I'll look it up, though.

03:38:16.640 Or he could be like Murdoch.

03:38:17.720 Papa Topper could go retarded.

03:38:18.620 He was the one that.

03:38:19.300 He has.

03:38:19.740 He's the one that's got a museum, right?

03:38:21.900 Let me check.

03:38:22.860 He might.

03:38:24.060 Yeah, it looks like Ed Gein is number one.

03:38:25.520 All right.

03:38:26.200 Y'all want Ed Gein.

03:38:27.340 All right, cool.

03:38:28.060 That's who's going to be the next serial killer.

03:38:29.640 Yes, he's the one that's got a museum because he will make furniture.

03:38:33.060 Yeah, he made furniture with body parts.

03:38:34.720 Yes.

03:38:35.240 Yeah, that's where they took the Leatherface scheme from, was, like, using body parts to

03:38:38.960 accentuate the house and wearing it and shit like that.

03:38:41.980 Yeah.

03:38:42.880 So, all right.

03:38:43.820 Looks like it's Ed.

03:38:44.640 All right.

03:38:45.160 Y'all want to Ed.

03:38:46.400 The people have spoken.

03:38:48.660 Yeah, y'all have spoken.

03:38:50.540 All right, guys.

03:38:51.580 With that said, man, we gave y'all a three-hour-plus podcast, three and a half hours.

03:38:54.840 I need y'all to go ahead and like the video.

03:38:57.600 All right.

03:38:57.960 We got 1,600 likes, but I know there's a bunch of you that haven't liked, so if you guys

03:39:01.120 start liking now, it'll probably hit 1,700.

03:39:02.400 Well, actually, Angie, I'll give you the last, well, before I give you the last word.

03:39:08.000 Get the book, Why Women Deserve Less.

03:39:09.260 We got three podcasts tomorrow, I think one at 5 or 6 with ISO Kenny.

03:39:13.380 Then we got Waka Flocka Flame.

03:39:15.140 Then we got, and then we got, obviously, After Hours, three podcasts in a row for y'all.

03:39:19.300 Like the video.

03:39:20.120 Go check out the episode I did with Nico.

03:39:21.560 That dropped early on Fresh to Fit, and I did an interview with Sartero Shooter.

03:39:24.640 So, yeah, man, content coming out all over the place.

03:39:26.600 We're going to go to Vegas next week.

03:39:27.840 We're going to do collabs with Graham Stephan and his brother, Jack Selby.

03:39:32.260 While I break the computer, sorry.

03:39:34.840 We're going to also get with Ryan Pineda, and then we're also going to go ahead and interview

03:39:39.260 your boy, Dan Blazerian.

03:39:42.840 And then also, we're going to go ahead and do an interview with Rolo Tomasi and Marco

03:39:47.560 Sartain for Access Vegas.

03:39:48.940 Who works harder than us?

03:39:54.000 Nobody.

03:39:55.460 All right?

03:39:56.320 There's a reason why I talk my shit.

03:39:58.100 No one comes close.

03:39:58.880 We're the number one men's podcast in the fucking world.

03:40:00.960 All these other dudes are bums.

03:40:02.420 Y'all know it.

03:40:03.180 Y'all know who I'm talking about.

03:40:04.440 Asshole and Bleach and Moist Loser and fucking Fat Back.

03:40:09.200 Bro, they are bums.

03:40:11.460 They don't even come close.

03:40:12.940 Bro, I put out more videos than them niggas on this channel, man.

03:40:15.700 Fuck out of here.

03:40:16.700 Bums.

03:40:17.060 Anyway, Angie, I'll give you the last word.

03:40:21.820 You feel better with that after that?

03:40:23.240 Yeah, I had to just go on that rant because they've been going after Sneako and it's annoying

03:40:25.880 me.

03:40:26.500 Right.

03:40:27.020 Okay.

03:40:27.660 Good.

03:40:28.660 Yeah, guys.

03:40:29.440 Again, don't leave your requests on the chat.

03:40:32.060 Leave it on the comment section, please.

03:40:34.300 And also, for those of you that have been requested and have been DMing me, I have everything

03:40:41.240 written down.

03:40:42.040 I've been reading all of your DMs and all of your comments.

03:40:45.620 I also catch the premieres with you, so I'll be there in the chats with you.

03:40:50.800 Also, sharing my thoughts and everything.

03:40:53.880 And like, yeah, reading your opinions on everything.

03:40:56.840 And I'm also cooking something.

03:40:58.720 I don't want to drop.

03:41:00.320 I don't want Myron to drop my Instagram anymore because you guys are weird as fuck.

03:41:05.040 And I don't want anyone else following me now anymore.

03:41:08.260 Yes.

03:41:08.620 So, I'll probably just open a Fetty account or another account.

03:41:13.920 Instagram is so angelical.

03:41:15.040 Send a dick pic.

03:41:18.820 Yeah, so I'll be cooking something and yo, that's it.

03:41:25.360 That's it.

03:41:26.300 Cool.

03:41:26.900 Cool.

03:41:27.160 All right, guys.

03:41:27.940 Like the video.

03:41:28.640 Catch you guys on the next episode of Fetty.

03:41:30.000 Love y'all, man.

03:41:30.920 Gave y'all.

03:41:31.380 We gave y'all a huge breakdown.

03:41:32.780 I'm going to go ahead and go through and put the timestamps in this bad boy.

03:41:35.600 And yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed it, man.

03:41:37.420 This is the best breakdown on the Murdoch case.

03:41:39.900 Detailed timestamps coming in.

03:41:41.280 So, you'll have a one-stop shop to get everything from A to Z.

03:41:43.920 Love you guys.

03:41:44.560 Like the video.

03:41:45.280 Peace.

03:41:48.260 I was a special agent with Homeland Security Investigations.

03:41:50.120 Okay, guys?

03:41:50.540 H-S-I.

03:41:51.520 The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug trafficking.

03:41:56.680 No one else has these documents, by the way.

03:41:58.920 Here's what Fetty covers.

03:42:00.020 Dr. LaFredo confirmed lacerations due to stepping on glass.

03:42:06.880 Murder investigations.

03:42:07.880 You see him reaching in his jacket.

03:42:08.940 You don't know.

03:42:10.100 And he's positioning.

03:42:10.780 Been on February 13, 2019.

03:42:12.480 February 13, 2019.

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - April 19, 2023

Fed Explains Murdaugh Murder Case STEP BY STEP w⧸Time Stamps! (Most Organized Breakdown)

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