On today's episode of FedIt, we are talking about John Wayne Gacy and his gang ties and connections to the Chicago underworld. We talk about how he got his nickname "The Killer Clown" and how he was able to get away with his crimes.
00:00:00.780And we are live. What's up, guys? Welcome to FedIt. Today, we're going to be talking about the killer clown, a.k.a. John Wayne Gacy. Let's get right into it, guys.
00:00:09.580I was a special agent with Homeland Security Investigations, okay, guys? HSI. The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug trafficking.
00:00:17.960No one else has these documents, by the way.
00:07:22.220So we're going to get right into it, okay?
00:07:24.220And I got all the tabs nice and organized here.
00:07:26.380So we're going to get into who was John Wayne Gacy, okay?
00:07:28.440John Wayne Gacy, born March 17, 1942, died May 10, 1994, as an American serial killer and sex offender who raped, tortured, and murdered at least 33 young men and boys.
00:07:38.220Gracie regularly performed at children's hospitals and charitable events as Pogo the Clown or Patches the Clown.
00:07:43.560Personas he had devised, he became known as the Killer Clown due to his public services as a clown prior to the discovery of his crime.
00:07:51.340So we'll just read that first, guys, and we'll go ahead and get into his background, okay?
00:07:55.960So we're going to be reacting to this documentary on John Wayne Gacy, Monster in Disguise.
00:08:02.200And we're going to go through his upbringing here, right?
00:08:04.700Now, I want to give you all a warning real fast.
00:08:07.560I'm pretty confident that I might get hit with a copyright or whatever the hell while I'm playing some of these documentaries, even though I'm reacting to them and giving you guys some educated commentary here because people will be hating.
00:08:18.820So that's why I'm live streaming on Twitch as well.
00:10:19.960The Gacy children, including a third child, Karen, born two years later, grew up in this modest bungalow in a blue collar neighborhood.
00:10:29.000Now, the reason why I'm putting emphasis on this, guys, is because a lot of serial killers, as you guys know, from like Jeffrey Dahmer and Gacy, come up from fucked up backgrounds.
00:10:38.640OK, so I want you guys to really pay attention to this.
00:10:42.380I'll be stopping it momentarily to give you guys some commentary.
00:10:45.040But this this is very important because it's going to lay the foundation as to why Gacy becomes the man that he does later on in life.
00:10:52.640Their father, the son of Polish immigrants and a World War One veteran, worked as a machinist building control panels for utility companies.
00:11:02.820And just so you guys know, Chicago has probably the biggest population of Polish people in the United States, if I'm not mistaken.
00:11:12.260It's consistently been number one to my knowledge.
00:13:58.220You go to mom and tell her a lot of things.
00:14:01.520Now, Gacy had a very close relationship with his mom, which you guys are going to see later on here, how he was able to start his business through his mom.
00:14:24.360But her husband acted as if he ran the household.
00:14:27.540The couple argued frequently about everything, from chores to child rearing.
00:14:31.860She tried so hard to keep the family together, knowing that her husband drank, and when he drank, he went into rages, and he usually turned on John.
00:15:32.160If you guys didn't see a podcast we did with Tristan, Tristan got some top-shelf brandy, gave it to Fresh, and Fresh put Coca-Cola in it, man.
00:34:56.560Investigators even joked that the only truthful answer came when he was asked his name.
00:35:06.420Because just so you guys know, when they give you a lie detector test, they ask you a bunch of questions like what they call like screening questions.
00:35:12.740And those questions kind of see where your baseline is.
00:35:15.860They ask what your name is, where were you born, questions that are easy that you're not going to lie about.
00:35:19.240And after that, once they have that baseline of what your bodily functions are like when you tell the truth, then they go ahead and start pressing you with certain questions to see if you're being truthful.
00:37:59.700Even behind bars, Gacy aggressively pursued all of the social outlets available to him.
00:38:06.360He not only made friends with fellow prisoners, but he mingled with the guards, social workers, and even the warden.
00:38:13.620And the thing is, is that he was a very charming, charismatic guy.
00:38:16.620Guys, there's no way that you're going to be able to kill 33 people and lure him to your place and do all the things that he was able to do.
00:38:21.500If you're not a charming, charismatic, you know, friendly, disarming individual, you know, the way he speaks, his tonality when he speaks, the cadence in how he speaks, him being a little bit chubbier, him being a clown in his off time, right?
00:38:35.360Him being, you know, being a community leader, being involved in politics, being a public figure, saying I have these types of connections, etc.
00:38:41.540This all plays into him being able to create a certain persona, which people would never know what's behind it, okay?
00:38:50.680And you guys are going to see here what he does in prison.
00:39:47.980In this rare footage, the head cook spoke with pride about the meal he was preparing for his fellow inmates.
00:39:55.300The men, with the exception of the turkey, which they get a generous proportion of, and the pumpkin pie that will be served, are allowed to take as much as...
00:40:02.740Shout out to Satan the Sinner in the fucking...
00:44:12.260There was someone who was struggling with an inner demon that did not have to do with hating homosexuals, but with being attracted to them.
00:44:23.420And John hated prison every day that he was there.
00:44:27.280After his father's death, a lot of hates, including that one, became much more powerful in his personality.
00:44:37.940On June 18th, 1970, prison officials released him on good behavior.
00:44:45.400He had served 16 months of his 10-year sentence.
00:46:08.340So now we're going to talk about what happens once he's out on parole and some shocking information as to why he should have never been on parole in the first place.
00:46:17.240That would have been extremely helpful to the communities in which he eventually landed.
00:46:24.680After fooling authorities that, oh, he's fine, he's cured, Gacy was free again to come back to Chicago.
00:46:36.740The Iowa State Psychopathic Hospital, it was called at the time, did a complete workup of Gacy as a sex offender before the sentencing in that case, which essentially says this guy is a sexual psychopath.
00:47:01.740There is absolutely no treatment of any kind.
00:47:05.740The patient is unlikely to benefit from known medical treatment, antisocial personality, 301.7, which is interesting because, as you guys saw, when he was in prison, he was a social butterfly.
00:47:17.560He was over here cooking for people, doing news interviews, you know.
00:47:30.020And you can see here, routine laboratory, EEG, and EKG, and skull spine films were essentially normal psychological test results, a sociopathic personality disturbance, antisocial rejection.
00:52:43.240I think that he liked the hobnob of being with other people.
00:52:49.520I mean, he had a whole new life of meeting people that probably would have never been in his life had he not been working at the restaurant.
00:53:00.640When I first got out on parole for the next two years, I stayed with Bruno's Restaurant.
00:53:06.740And as you guys know, he was a chef while he was in prison.
00:53:08.960So, obviously, this is a perfect segue career for him to be able to make some money on his way out on parole.
00:53:14.340Which, no one in Illinois at this point knew that he had been in prison for almost two years, guys.
00:53:24.360So, no one – like, guys, police records weren't as streamlined as they are now where you can, you know, just punch someone's name in and get a hit.
00:53:32.920You know, national databases were just starting to be conceived at this point.
00:53:37.520So, you can effectively go to another state back then and become a whole new individual.
00:53:41.980And people wouldn't necessarily be able to pull your criminal record unless they really went looking for it, which you guys are going to see here in a second.
00:53:49.260But on the side, I used to work from – I used to go in at 4 in the morning and get off at 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
00:53:56.060And to me, that was too short of a day, not enough work.
00:53:58.940So, I started doing odd jobs painting.
00:54:01.400And I found that on the weekends, the afternoons and the weekends, I was making more money than I was as a chef, even though I was getting 12-something an hour.
00:55:13.260And as you guys can see here, he gets into a manual labor, what his father was involved in and what he was not involved in when his father was alive.
00:55:22.480So, you guys can see he finally takes the initiative after getting out of prison, getting a little advance from his mom.
00:55:27.520Hey, I'm going to become a fucking somebody.
00:55:29.620And I think a part of him, right, again, this is my interpretation from this, my personal interpretation from watching his interviews and everything else.
00:55:38.180He wanted to do this to kind of appease his father, you know, even though – because he felt responsible for his father's death while he was in prison for such a terrible crime like sodomy of a child, right?
00:55:47.720So, this was his way of saying, you know what, I'm going to make amends for being a loser all my life and never having my father see me succeed.
00:55:55.020Because remember, at this point, his father had only been really happy with him once he had a son.
00:55:58.960And after that, he continued to disappoint his father time and time and time again.
00:56:07.500PDM was able to work 52 weeks out of the year while most construction companies shut down for the winter.
00:56:13.720I never had time to shut down because I had them on a waiting list.
00:56:17.500Our business was growing at that rapid rate.
00:56:20.800And also, I just want to make this very clear to some of you guys, because some of you guys might not be from the United States or some of you guys have never been to the Midwest before.
00:56:32.400Some of the coldest places in the United States.
00:56:34.420Chicago in the winter is goddamn fucking miserable.
00:56:38.260They call it the Windy City for a reason.
00:56:39.980And the reason why, guys, is that it is unbearable during the wintertime.
00:56:43.400Which is why he had a competitive edge because him working 52 weeks of the year, not taking time off, is a huge advantage compared to other contractors that didn't want to work in the cold.
00:56:53.260So, that gives him a huge leg up on all his competition, which allows him to scale his business up.
00:56:57.880And he started making quite a bit of money.
00:56:59.500And he's able to start to do what, guys?
01:01:23.400So, there, what he does is, the sexual deviant that he is, he goes ahead and puts himself in a position of authority over these individuals.
01:01:31.700And he's able to use his business as a guise to lure, seduce, and then kill dozens of young men, okay, guys?
01:01:43.420So, what triggers the investigation is a boy goes missing, okay?
01:01:48.360A kid that, you know, comes from a good family, isn't a runaway, isn't a fuck-up, etc.
01:01:53.380His parents turn every stone to find him, and this is what ends up triggering an investigation.
01:01:57.880We're going to fast forward to that part here.
01:01:59.520Because between 1972 to 1978, he commits a whole bunch of murders.
01:02:04.420And it's not until he, his last victim goes missing that the police finally start to investigate what the hell is going on.
01:02:12.580Frankie Baltimore, five bucks, goes, such a start face, you would think, yeah, straight face.
01:02:21.200Yeah, he sounds very, the way he talks about everything that's happening, like, it's hard to imagine that he has any sort of regret or remorse, which is why I was asking if you think he genuinely had regret or knew that what he was doing was wrong.
01:02:35.420Because he just doesn't, I don't know, he just, it's like he's storytelling.
01:02:38.280I think he knew kind of what was wrong because he, like, he went ahead and, like, took, like, over steps to, like, conceal it.
01:02:44.520But definitely, you know, there's, he mitigates his, like, responsibility is what it is.
01:02:52.460He doesn't want to take accountability for it.
01:02:56.400Yeah, I mean, yeah, he ends up, like, you know, he tries to kind of shoot straight, but you guys are going to see opportunity presented itself and he couldn't help himself.
01:03:04.540So let's get back into the, into the, into the pod.
01:03:09.780What's your favorite case you haven't covered yet, SpongeBob?
01:03:13.420I'm going to be covering Bin Laden here probably tonight, guys, how the CIA found him, et cetera, for the documentary series.
01:03:54.760He was the trigger to the whole investigation.
01:03:57.300Rob Peast was working at a pharmacy in Des Plaines when all of a sudden he disappeared.
01:04:05.840Joe Kozenczak and his fellow detectives on the Des Plaines police force weren't out to make history or write the book on serial killers on December 12th, 1978.
01:04:14.960They were just looking for a missing boy.
01:04:16.580As I was looking through the police reports on December 12th, I noticed the missing person's case report of a young boy.
01:04:29.000People say policemen have a gut instinct.
01:04:31.660In this case, that's how I'd have to describe it.
01:04:35.420I just felt there was something in this case that we should look at closer.
01:04:40.780I was with the Des Plaines, Illinois Police Department.
01:04:43.740One thing I like about this documentary, by the way, is they actually went ahead and got all the police officers that were, you know, intimately involved in this investigation so you guys can get first, you know, a close perspective on to what the hell was happening.
01:04:56.940First-hand perspective on the actual investigation with the detectives that were involved in this case, okay?
01:05:02.920And this is a small police department, guys, so this is some shit right here that they're probably never going to forget.
01:05:07.400And you can tell from the way that they recall the events that it's still burning their memories.
01:05:18.960I got a call from Captain Kozenczak on the 13th of December.
01:05:24.580Rob Peace, 15-year-old boy from Des Plaines, had gone missing under unusual circumstances.
01:05:29.680Late in the day on the 11th of December, his mother had come to his place of employment, which was a pharmacy in Des Plaines, picking him up at the end of his workday.
01:05:43.920Rob Peace had come out and spoke with his mom and said, hey, listen, I'll be done in a few minutes.
01:05:48.140I've got this contractor that I want to talk to.
01:05:50.420So, contractor wants to talk to him, and you guys are going to see here a crazy link in a second.
01:05:58.460I understand he's hiring, and I could probably make substantially more than I'm making here.
01:06:04.400So, if you don't mind, I'll just be a few minutes, I'm going to go talk to this guy, and I'll be right back.
01:06:08.920He was pretty excited about it, and I told him there'd be no problem that I'd wait.
01:06:13.780So, you guys can see here, the parents actually went on television to talk about their missing son.
01:06:18.600So, they didn't, you know, they didn't sleep.
01:06:22.280And the thing also that made this crazy was that he went missing on his mom's birthday, guys.
01:06:26.260They had planned for him to help her with setting up the party and everything else like that.
01:07:10.000Former co-worker of mine ran out of Gacy's house and took off on his bike when Gacy came out of a room dressed as Pogo the Clown survived him somehow.
01:07:55.820A little after 9 o'clock, Mom was waiting for him to return.
01:07:59.020He didn't return after Rob didn't show up.
01:08:02.660Mr. and Mrs. Peace searched all around Des Plaines, frantically looking for him.
01:08:07.120Rob Peace was very, very close to his family.
01:08:11.260They were going to celebrate the mother's birthday that night.
01:08:14.680And at that point, the Peace family launched a full court press into the disappearance of a child who to them was inconceivable to have disappeared.
01:08:57.860And this is where John Gacy fucked up because prior guys, a lot of his victims were, you know, kids that came from fucked up homes, male prostitutes, runaways, etc.
01:09:06.840So he was able to kind of prey on them and victimize them and no one would really care.
01:09:12.060However, this guy had a family and his parents gave a shit, which is why they were able to put an enormous amount of pressure on the police.
01:09:18.340And the police actually knew him as well.
01:09:19.640So they took this investigation much more seriously, which would lead them to finding out the crazy shit they're about to find out.
01:09:31.800So it was really unusual for him to go missing.
01:09:34.760So when the police report was being taken, the desk officer overheard the mother make a statement to the father saying, I wonder who the contractor guy was.
01:13:16.520Because these drugstores, like, you know, typically they're owned by big companies that have the money to go ahead and, like, pay for that type of remodeling.
01:13:25.020So when you're charging people in the commercial world, you can charge a lot more.
01:13:28.280So I believe that he made a million bucks a year in the 70s.
01:15:17.180Like, I remember when I was an agent, like, I can go ahead and search, you know, records from any police department anywhere in the country.
01:15:22.980Hell, I was even able to pull up Canadian records if I wanted.
01:15:25.740But that was not what it's like, guys, back then in the 70s.
01:15:29.020You had to manually call people and get, and then they would go look for the records by hand.
01:15:34.620And then that's assuming if they were able to even find it, then they will call you back like a day or two later and tell you, oh, yeah, we have a police record on this individual.
01:15:42.580This was before NCIC, NLITS, you know, all these interstate databases that tracked criminal activity or tracked criminal records.
01:15:51.800So everything was done by phone, by typewriter, by fax.
01:15:55.400And obviously, it would take days, if not weeks, for you to get a record back.
01:16:00.040For some of you guys, I did a podcast on the shooting in the Miami case, right?
01:16:05.740So back in 1986, there was a shooting with the FBI and a bunch of individuals.
01:16:09.680Now, mind you, the reason why they got into that shooting, guys, was because they had looked, they tried to get DMV records for one of the individuals.
01:16:16.120Had they gotten those DMV records in time, they would have identified the individuals and been able to do surveillance properly.
01:16:22.060But since they didn't have the DMV records and didn't necessarily know what the guys looked like, that ended up with them following them to try to identify them.
01:16:28.740And then they ended up getting in a shootout and dying.
01:16:31.080OK, those are the dire consequences of what it was like prior to automated computer systems that would allow you to get records instantaneously in the criminal justice system.
01:16:40.320So in the 70s, it was even less refined than the 80s, guys.
01:16:44.660So I can only imagine how long it took these guys to get a records check back on Gacy, where they had to make phone calls, et cetera.
01:16:51.480And at this point, they got a missing individual.
01:16:53.440So they're probably telling, hey, I need these records immediately.
01:16:56.620I need them now because we got a missing person.
01:16:59.160And every single hour that passes by, when you have a missing individual, the chances and likelihood of finding them alive diminish with it, guys.
01:17:05.480All right. So go ahead. Like the video for the WW commentary.
01:17:55.960They find out the contractor was John Wayne Gacy.
01:17:58.620They find out that John Wayne Gacy specializes in doing pharmacy remodeling.
01:18:03.120And they know that he was the last individual that spoke with with peace.
01:18:07.020And then on top of that, they do a criminal history check and find out, wait, this guy got a 10 year sentence for sodomy of a young of a young kid that was the same age as the individual we're looking for.
01:18:17.640Bro, at that point, they're like, we got to go balls to the fucking wall on this guy.
01:21:58.280They have some interesting facts, which makes them believe that it was Gacy who is involved, indeed, the person that was involved in this person's disappearance.
01:22:06.600So they're going to go ahead and start to try to gather evidence so that they can go ahead and do a search warrant.
01:22:45.640Give me the 2K likes, man, so I don't have to keep asking.
01:22:48.140Once I get to 100% engagement, pretty much, I don't care anymore.
01:22:51.100I'm just going to, you know, keep cruising and not ask for any likes on the video.
01:22:54.360But we got to get the engagement up because I already know that this video is going to get suppressed in the algorithm based off of the sensitive nature of the content.
01:24:20.260Let's get him to stay here as long as we possibly can while we go ahead and get our probable cause altogether, draft up an affidavit, write the affidavit, you know, draft up the affidavit, give it to the prosecutor.
01:24:49.520So what they're doing is they're biding their time, right, and keeping Gacy out of the house because they don't want him to destroy evidence.
01:24:55.040Remember, guys, at this point, they've been interviewing him.
01:24:58.600So they don't want him to get spooked and start, like, removing potential evidence that they can use to pin charges on him later for the disappearance of peace.
01:25:05.660Because remember, at this point, they don't know that he's a serial killer.
01:25:08.040They don't know that he's a mass murderer.
01:25:09.500They just know that they got a missing boy on their hands, and they're trying to find him alive, okay?
01:25:13.320And one day the finding is way worse than that.
01:37:45.260Why the hell did we find this weird stuff at his house?
01:37:48.220Two children out there at the time that he went to prison.
01:37:53.360And as soon as he was paroled, he headed back to Chicago.
01:37:56.320By checking missing persons reports from the area at a specific age, we started seeing that several other people that had worked for him were missing.
01:43:39.060Okay, so now they start with only four guys doing 24-7 surveillance.
01:43:46.180I'll tell you all this myself from my professional experience.
01:43:48.480When I've done 24-7 surveillance, you need at least, you know, six to ten guys to be able to rotate shifts and be able to do it effectively.
01:43:56.060The fact that they were doing, you know, 12-hour shifts with only four guys is wild.
01:44:01.060But, hey, man, that shows the resolve of the police department, even with limited resources and personnel, that they wanted to make it happen.
01:44:06.660I start the surveillance shortly after the first search warrant.
01:44:12.520Right away, we're thinking, hey, you know, if he's not being held against his will, Rob Peast, you know, the worst-case scenario is that he's been killed.
01:44:19.960And there's a possibility that there's more than one victim.
01:44:22.900So I'm thinking to myself, now, what am I doing out here by myself?
01:44:25.660When I went back that day, I said, listen, it's probably a good idea if we grab one more guy for the night shift to be my partner.
01:44:34.140And that's how my partner, Mike Albrecht, became involved.
01:44:37.560We weren't necessarily given any instructions.
01:45:37.740The reason why they're following you is because they found a bunch of dudes' underwear in your place, a classroom that doesn't belong to you, a receipt from the pharmacy from someone that went missing.
01:45:46.960And on top of that, they got handcuffs, books on handcuffs and shackles, strange books on homosexuality, to kill a pretty boy or pretty boys must die, et cetera.
01:45:58.680Of course they're going to follow you like, what the hell is going on here?
01:46:01.940But he, of course, minimizes his involvement in his potential criminal activities and makes it sound like, oh, I just gave a statement and now they're following me, harassing me.
01:48:29.720But then, you know, he started going places that night.
01:48:35.760On the third day of the surveillance, we relieved the surveillance team about midnight over at a place called the Moose Lodge in Desplaines.
01:48:45.600And Gacy was in the Moose Lodge at that time.
01:48:48.500So, Mike and I, being in Unchartered Waters, thought, hey, you know, it would be a lot easier if we would just go inside.
01:58:35.780Now we're about 10 days after the fact.
01:58:37.720The underlying complaint for the warrant prepared by Lieutenant Kazesak basically reiterated the facts contained in the first complaint for search warrant and stated,
01:58:44.260recovered during that search warrant pursuant to December 13th was a customer receipt number 36119 from a film developing envelope with the name and address of Neeson's Pharmacy stamped on it in ink.
01:58:54.640Further investigation revealed that this receipt has last been in possession of Robert Peace immediately prior to the time he had disappeared.
01:59:01.820The complaint also stated that Officer Robert Schultz had informed Lieutenant Kazesak that he had been invited into defendant's home by defendant while on the surveillance unit assigned to watch defendant
01:59:10.820and that while inside, he detected an odor similar to that of a putrefied human body.
01:59:16.520Officer Schultz indicated that he had smelled the odor of at least 40 putrefied human bodies and that the smell in defendant's home was similar.
01:59:24.940Defendant's first two arguments concerning this contention.
01:59:40.400So that's that class ring from that guy, Zik, that they missed and couldn't find.
01:59:44.880Class ring that Gacy probably should not have had.
01:59:47.960Another item of evidence found in the Gacy house was a photo slip, the kind when people used to take pictures with film,
01:59:57.440not in Robert Peace's name, but in the name of a young lady named Kim Byers who worked at the drugstore.
02:00:04.340And if you guys remember, Kim Byers was used, her name came up in the first search warrant where she was saying that she had last seen Rob Peace with your boy, Gacy.
02:00:15.000Kim Byers worked at the cash register at Nissan Pharmacy, and she was at the front of the store right by the front door.
02:00:21.860Kim Byers was going to step outside and have a break, and she borrowed Rob Peace's coat.
02:00:28.940And just before she went outside, she took her film and was having the film process, got a receipt, put the receipt in the pocket of Peace's coat.
02:00:39.800That's the same receipt that we found in Gacy's trash.
02:01:15.320You guys are going to hear about this smell, this odor, how they were able to come to find it.
02:01:20.340And they were doing surveillance of Gacy.
02:01:24.380It was very, very cold that winter, and that's an important fact because they would sit right outside of his house in the unmarked police car.
02:01:32.760Gacy, who was full of hubris and arrogance, would sometimes invite them in to use the restroom and warm up.
02:01:40.360The second surveillance team, which was Bob Schultz and Ron Robinson, they pretty much did the same things that we did.
02:03:01.740And they went ahead and they were able to get the search warrant.
02:03:03.980And you guys got to – here's the thing, guys.
02:03:05.940Like, a dead body, it's an unmistakable smell.
02:03:09.380So when they turned the heat on – remember, guys, he didn't smell the dead body before because they didn't have the heat on when they did the first search warrant.
02:03:15.520Gacy wasn't friendly with them at this point.
02:03:17.820Remember, he was back at the police station, right, getting interviewed by that guy, you know, and they were buttering up.
02:03:23.600So that they were going ahead and try to get the probable cause.
02:03:26.680So when they went in the house the first time, it was cold as hell in there and the heat wasn't on.
02:03:30.360So when he invites them into the house this time, the heat's on, he's preparing food, et cetera.
02:03:52.800So when the heat came on, the officer, with his training experience, is like, yo, this smells like fucking dead bodies, et cetera.
02:03:58.620So they're able to use that as a fact, put in the search warrant, and bam, they were able to go ahead and establish enough probable cause.
02:04:06.000They probably would have even had enough probable cause maybe without the smell of the odor from all the other stuff there, the receipts, the rings, the shackles, et cetera.
02:18:16.400So just like the goddamn video so that we can continue on with this awesome-ass content because y'all are not going to get breakdowns to this degree and this detail anywhere else on the internet.
02:18:25.960Kevin Terrell, listening while at work, bartending, brother.
02:22:28.720And the reason why, guys, is because the marshals won't take the prisoner from you unless they're cleared from a doctor if they tell you that they have issues with them.
02:22:37.460The marshals aren't going to sit there and do all the checks.
02:22:40.880You go get them cleared and then bring them back.
02:22:42.980Because anytime you arrest a federal prisoner, the marshals are pretty much the jailers.
02:22:47.200And they're not going to take the body or the prisoner unless he's of good health because they don't want the liability.
02:22:51.880So this happens often, guys, where someone is arrested for a serious crime and then they make up some bullshit excuse and want to go to the hospital.
02:35:08.160So now, guys, we're going to go ahead and get into the trial.
02:35:10.540So now that you guys know, and that was his methodology, guys.
02:35:13.560He would basically, you know, invite people that work for him, male prostitutes, people that came from disheveled backgrounds, you know, to his house on the promise of drugs, alcohol, marijuana.
02:35:23.720And he would, you know, either do, you know, the tourniquet trick where he would tie them up with ropes, or he would do the handcuff trick, right?
02:35:31.000Because, remember, he was a clown, and he was lying in an interview saying, like, oh, I don't do the handcuff trick with kids at the hospital.
02:35:35.700No, he obviously used to do that handcuff trick at the hospital.
02:35:38.220And what he would do is he would lure the people to his house, show them the handcuff trick while they're drunk.
02:35:42.940Remember, these people worked for him.
02:36:30.200He would handcuff them, and then from there, torture, abuse, and rape them for hours on end, sometimes day on end, and then eventually strangle and kill them.
02:36:38.740And then he would recite that verse that I read to you guys as he was killing the individuals, which he was a six-sadistic individual.
02:36:48.680So, now we're going to fast forward to the trial, okay?
02:36:52.640February 6, 1980, guys, is when he goes on trial for the state, right?
02:37:00.180So, let's go ahead and pull this bad boy back up, and we're going to go ahead and fast forward to 248.
02:37:06.360I told you guys, man, I did all the research here, so you guys don't have to worry, all right?
02:37:10.120This is going to probably be one of the best summaries of the John Wayne Gacy case you guys are going to find anywhere else on the internet.
02:37:15.680And I'll make sure that I put timestamps for y'all so you guys can enjoy this thing on the replay.
02:39:51.820Early on, we were using this big exhibit with three-sided frames to put all the life and death photos in while the victims' parents or whatever were testifying.
02:40:00.920And after we did five or six of them, the defense objected.
02:40:05.120Yeah, the reason why they objected was because it was...
02:40:09.120Basically, the argument they're going to make, guys, is that, oh, this is unduly suggestive, which is basically an argument that, like, yo, you guys are, like, going a little bit too hard to, like, get an emotional reaction from the jury and from the witnesses, etc.
02:40:29.500So, this is how the prosecution responds.
02:40:32.300And the judge said, all right, here's the rule.
02:40:36.920State, if you're talking about a particular victim and you want to use that board, you can have that victim's photo in the board, but none other.
02:40:47.180When you get to closing arguments, you can do whatever you want.
02:42:11.380I really enjoy the serial killer streams.
02:42:14.800John Gacy set a wreck in his chair today, showing no apparent emotion as the prosecution team continued to call parents of the alleged victims.
02:43:05.500It was very difficult to look at him, but I remember seeing him sitting over there.
02:43:17.060And I kept thinking, boy, you really fooled so many people.
02:43:23.140I think he thought he would never be caught.
02:43:26.080Police told the court Gacy became friendly with the police surveillance team, trailed him as part of the investigation into the disappearance of 15-year-old Robert Peast.
02:43:38.640Gacy and I had this relationship from the surveillance.
02:43:41.360So he liked that detective the most and opened up to him, which is great when you're able to build rapport like that and people will confess to you.
02:43:48.980When you're there and you're testifying, you're impacted by what you're saying and you're seeing a reaction to this jury, which affects you too.
02:43:59.600I mean, because you're answering your questions honestly and describing in detail what John Gacy did.
02:44:06.060And let me tell you guys something from being on the stand because I testified hundreds of times and they put you under oath.
02:44:13.220And when you're testifying in cases, especially when it's like crimes that are pretty serious like this, it's very difficult sometimes, right, as an investigator to be able to say the things that you want to say, having the general public there.
02:44:27.700Because there's certain things that you become desensitized as law enforcement, but when you're in front of regular people and you talk about these things and you see the reactions, it kind of brings you back.
02:44:37.000It snaps you out of your jargon slash your professionalism and you're like, oh, shit.
02:44:40.560Like it reminds you as to like a lot of the dark things you see on the job.
02:44:44.820Because remember, the general public isn't used to seeing what law enforcement is seeing.
02:44:48.760So I know where he's coming from when he's saying that I'm testifying to these things and looking at the jury's reactions.
02:45:04.540One by one, the witness described how they found the remains of the victims.
02:45:09.240Some buried on top of others, many with a piece of cloth in the mouth and some with ropes tied around the necks.
02:45:17.220We did learn at the trial, Casey would do different things to the boys.
02:45:24.100And one of the things they said that he would do this trick with cuffs.
02:45:29.020And I know it came out that he did something with my brother's arms.
02:45:33.200And that's the trick that I told you guys about with the handcuffs, where he would handcuff himself, you know, that, you know, like his clown trick, pogo the clown trick.
02:45:40.840But he kept the key secret, right, in his, in his, whether it was in his shirt or he would hide it with it between his fingers.
02:45:47.400And then he'd be like, look, I was able to get out.
02:45:49.120Then he would go ahead and put it on the unsuspecting victim.
02:45:52.700They wouldn't know that he had zero intention of untying that, of, you know, unhandcuffing them.
02:45:57.260And then, bam, you know, the torture and the, the killing would ensue after that.
02:58:46.960Sometimes, when some of these people were murdered, we have receipts that document that he was actually out of the state of Illinois when some of these men were murdered, etc.
02:58:54.200So, those were some of the grounds that they used to argue against his death.
02:59:20.660I thought it was really well done on the Dahmer Netflix documentary on, I think it was the last episode, where they document, on this day, May 10th, 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer actually ends up getting baptized while John Wayne Gacy is being executed by lethal injection.
02:59:37.980And they actually, in one of the, in that episode, they actually show Gacy killing an individual, which is a very, it's a very dark part of the document, of the Netflix series, which I suggest you go see.
03:08:32.440So we're going to go ahead and fast forward, guys, to they reopened the case.
03:08:36.860OK, because they're trying to look for.
03:08:40.640Remember, they only identified 22 bodies at the time that they that they found the people in the crawl space.
03:08:47.120And also, I want to let you guys know as well that when they were excavating, right, the home and they were doing a search warrant, they were they were pulling out bodies.
03:08:57.120Guys, almost every day they were pulling out between one to four bodies over a period of multiple days.
03:09:04.760It was wild, which is why, you know, it hit national news and it hit the main headlines, et cetera.
03:09:09.460So, you know, back then this was a big deal, guys.
03:09:14.160So now we're going to go into the last the second to last chapter here.
03:09:19.480Them reopening the investigation to identify more victims.
03:09:24.080OK, guys, and shout out to the police for doing this.
03:09:27.920Impression that the Gacy case was cleared and closed.
03:09:30.340The offender was known, was found guilty and the victims had been identified cleared and closed.
03:09:36.020But it wasn't and it wasn't for lack of trying.
03:09:39.140You know, my predecessors did what they could to identify every last victim.
03:09:45.800Doctors and dentists matched bones and teeth against medical records and X-rays.
03:09:50.120The bodies found under John Gacy's house were simply too decomposed to allow any other means of identification.
03:09:57.980But in the end, there was eight that were never identified, eight forgotten people.
03:10:04.160So I took that information to the sheriff.
03:10:09.220Shout out to them for going and trying to get justice for those people that weren't identified.
03:10:16.740Back in the 70s, everything was dental records.
03:10:19.080That was the only way you could identify people chasing.
03:10:22.140Which, by the way, guys, dental records, DNA, you know, tests didn't exist back then.
03:10:26.460Dental records were imperative, which is why you guys should watch my breakdown that I did on James Whitey Bulger.
03:10:31.760James Whitey Bulger used to purposely pull out the victim's teeth after he killed them so that they wouldn't be able to identify the subjects after the fact.
03:10:40.100When he was running around with the Winter Hill Gang in Boston, killing a bunch of people.
03:10:55.680So, thankfully, you know, John Wayne Gacy wasn't that smart, and he thought he would never get caught with his hubris, so they were able to get dental records in this situation.
03:11:03.960And at this point, DNA became a thing.
03:11:06.420So they're identifying bodies all the way up to 2021, so let's keep going here.
03:12:00.840Evil Boo goes, Myron, do you think Domro's remorseful for his crimes?
03:12:04.540No, I don't think any of these serial killers are, guys.
03:12:06.900You know, they're only remorseful that they got caught.
03:12:09.300They're not remorseful that they killed people.
03:12:11.820And honestly, if they didn't get caught, they would continue to kill people.
03:12:14.280...to compare to dental records, but contained enough DNA for four complete profiles.
03:12:19.840In September, bodies were exhumed from four Chicago area cemeteries and samples were sent to labs at the University of North Texas, where additional DNA profiles were extracted.
03:12:28.840That process got us to where we had, on most of the victims, very good profiles.
03:12:36.220They were all suitable for comparison to family members of missing persons.
03:12:41.580And that was really when we launched the investigation to the public.
03:12:46.600Cook County Sheriff Tom Darth is calling on families who think a loved one may have been a victim of John Wayne Gacy to come forward and offer up a DNA sample.
03:12:54.940In particular, the Sheriff's Department is looking for relatives of victims who disappeared between 1970 and December 22nd of 1978.
03:13:01.760Well, right away, the phones and the emails started flowing in.
03:13:06.800People from all over the country looking for their missing loved one.
03:13:40.160One of the first leads to come in was a lead.
03:13:55.880So they did end up identifying a couple of the people, guys, that they weren't able to identify before.
03:14:02.920That way, you know, we can keep this thing nice and concise.
03:14:05.560So last thing I want to show you guys is – so one of – so obviously, as you guys know, this guy who is friends with Gacy ended up having some tapes, okay?
03:14:18.520And I want to play these tapes for you all real fast.
03:14:21.480He ended up having these tapes since the late 70s slash early 80s when – or 1980 in this case – before he was executed, John Wayne Gacy.
03:14:31.100So he ends up revealing the contents of these tapes in this documentary.
03:14:35.840So let's go ahead and listen to some of the excerpts.
03:14:38.460And I think it's very important for you guys to listen to Gacy talk about his crimes and, you know, the chilling way he speaks of said crimes.
03:18:32.860So, clearly, you know, there's probably other victims out there that haven't been identified.
03:18:38.540Because, like I said before, he preyed on people that, you know, didn't necessarily have strong family structures, were runaways, prostitutes, guys that were, you know, dealing with some maybe financial issues, family issues.
03:18:51.160And he preyed on them, just like Jeffrey Dahmer did.
03:18:53.940Trillis, 10 bucks, you should do a video on Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker case.
03:18:56.740I will be doing that as well in the future, guys.
03:19:48.600And, you know, there's a bunch of conspiracy theories, too, that, you know, there's no way that he could have executed these murders himself.
03:19:53.240And, you know, there were people that were working on snuff films, and there was a big conspiracy or whatever.
03:19:58.360But, from what we know, right, from, you know, the evidence that they have, it's very clear that, you know, your boy Gacy was involved in at least 33 murders of young men.
03:20:10.700Between the ages of 14 all the way up to 20.