The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Fed Explains The Karen Read Case： Domestic Violence Gone Wrong Or A Coverup？

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00:22:59.800 So, you got to go.

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00:24:29.740 Yeah. 0.99

00:24:59.740 Shut down.

00:25:29.720 All right.

00:25:59.700 Here, I'll play this.

00:26:29.680 January,

00:26:59.680 Okay, okay.

00:27:29.660 And then you Spiel, too.

00:27:59.660 because she was in a frantic.

00:28:01.900 That is the timeline from the prosecution.

00:28:05.320 Then the defense basically has a conspiracy theory saying,

00:28:09.640 look, she dropped him off.

00:28:11.820 He went in the house.

00:28:13.100 A dispute arised, and they got into a fight,

00:28:16.040 and he got killed in the house,

00:28:17.520 and then they put the body outside of the house, right?

00:28:21.500 And this is the house that we're talking about here, guys.

00:28:25.540 I have it right here.

00:28:26.360 The 34 Fairview Road, right?

00:28:31.040 This is where the murder allegedly occurred,

00:28:34.360 inside this house, according to the defense, right?

00:28:37.400 And they left his body right here.

00:28:41.820 So after she didn't hear from him for hours, right,

00:28:45.740 she came back, and that's when they discovered his body.

00:28:50.840 So basically, what the defense is trying to illustrate,

00:28:55.780 they're saying, look, this was a cover by the police

00:28:57.780 because the person that they went to go see at the house

00:29:01.420 was a police officer with a bunch of his cop friends.

00:29:04.060 And then on top of that, the trooper that ran this case,

00:29:07.220 Trooper Proctor, okay, he knew these guys as well.

00:29:11.960 And he had some inappropriate text messages

00:29:13.940 with his chain of command, right,

00:29:17.160 as he was investigating this case.

00:29:18.580 And they cross-examined him on that quite a bit.

00:29:20.620 But that's the general, very broad overview of the case, okay?

00:29:26.740 The jury deadlocked when they went to trial,

00:29:29.060 and now she's doing the retrial. 1.00

00:29:32.740 And we're going to talk about the retrial here as well.

00:29:34.180 But let's go ahead and go through a timeline

00:29:36.200 of Karen Reed's case from arrest at trial.

00:29:39.620 ...against my client.

00:29:42.680 Karen Reed left the courthouse after posting bail,

00:29:45.820 charged with hitting her boyfriend, Boston police officer.

00:29:48.920 And they charged her with manslaughter, guys.

00:29:51.140 And the reason why they charged her with manslaughter,

00:29:53.280 the difference between manslaughter and murder, guys,

00:29:55.280 is manslaughter is when you basically kill someone

00:29:58.180 by being reckless, right?

00:30:02.000 For example, you drink and drive, right?

00:30:05.420 And you hit someone on the street.

00:30:07.940 Obviously, you didn't mean to do that.

00:30:09.340 It just was kind of a byproduct of your reckless decisions.

00:30:12.060 But it doesn't rise to the level of premeditated murder

00:30:14.920 where you're planning it out, and you're stalking them

00:30:17.300 and everything else like that, right?

00:30:19.620 So, for example, Elias Rodriguez.

00:30:22.700 That's murder one.

00:30:23.880 Why?

00:30:24.180 Because he stalked the Jewish museum, right?

00:30:26.680 Was waiting for them to come out.

00:30:27.920 As they came out, he pretty much executed them, right?

00:30:30.680 So there was a deliberate thought process

00:30:32.620 to make that happen.

00:30:34.140 Versus with manslaughter, it's more accidental.

00:30:38.520 And that's what they hit her with, the prosecution,

00:30:40.260 because they're claiming...

00:30:42.200 Oh, the other thing, too, that's very important to know.

00:30:44.080 She was very drunk, and she barely remembers that night.

00:30:46.560 All of them were drunk.

00:30:48.500 So they're saying, you drove drunk, you did a three-point turn, 0.95

00:30:51.500 you dropped them off, and you hit them, and you killed them. 0.77

00:30:53.480 And guys, January in Boston is freezing. 0.98

00:30:56.000 Absolutely freezing.

00:30:56.740 And this is John O'Keefe right here.

00:31:04.060 He was a very...

00:31:06.060 Everybody loved him in the community.

00:31:08.140 Also, another thing about John O'Keefe

00:31:09.620 that a lot of people admired,

00:31:11.660 his sister and her husband died.

00:31:15.100 So he ended up adopting her kids.

00:31:18.560 So he had two kids.

00:31:19.320 They weren't his, but he basically took on his nieces

00:31:21.020 and nephews and raised them.

00:31:22.500 And he was like a single dad for them

00:31:24.260 in light of their parents passing away.

00:31:27.560 Leaving him in a snowbank.

00:31:29.200 I am disappointed in the rush to judgment

00:31:32.540 against my client.

00:31:35.320 Reid was in a two-year relationship with the officer.

00:31:38.280 Last Friday night, say prosecutors,

00:31:40.060 the couple went to two bars in...

00:31:41.700 There we go.

00:31:42.340 Wait, C.F. McCarthy's?

00:31:46.260 And what was the other one again?

00:31:49.720 Against my client.

00:31:51.380 Reid was in a two-year relationship with the officer.

00:31:54.300 Last Friday night, say prosecutors,

00:31:55.900 the couple went to two bars...

00:31:56.880 Yeah, Waterfall Bar and Grill.

00:31:58.260 ...bars in Canton before being invited...

00:31:59.760 C.F. McCarthy's.

00:32:00.400 Bro, you know how many McCarthy restaurants 0.99

00:32:01.640 there are in fucking bars in Boston? 0.99

00:32:03.480 Holy, man. 1.00

00:32:05.020 Or in the Massachusetts area?

00:32:06.500 ...to an after party at this...

00:32:07.580 Boston, Massachusetts area?

00:32:08.780 ...Canton home.

00:32:09.760 Prosecutors say she dropped O'Keefe off

00:32:11.380 and left...

00:32:12.200 ...because she was having stomach issues. 1.00

00:32:13.660 She stated that she dropped the victim off.

00:32:14.940 She made a three-point turn in the street and left.

00:32:16.820 Did not see the victim enter the house.

00:32:18.820 Also, I think it's important that in the evidence,

00:32:20.960 the vehicle that she used,

00:32:22.680 it showed that there was a three-point turn was made

00:32:25.660 in the car.

00:32:26.980 It was like one of these more advanced vehicles,

00:32:29.260 if I'm not mistaken.

00:32:29.920 I think that was also a piece of evidence

00:32:31.100 the prosecution used.

00:32:32.120 She indicated that she first observed

00:32:33.780 broken taillight in the morning

00:32:34.840 and did not know how she broke it.

00:32:36.160 Prosecutors say when O'Keefe didn't return home,

00:32:38.560 Reid repeatedly texted him

00:32:39.800 and asked two friends to return to the housing Canton.

00:32:41.720 They discovered his body at the height of the blizzard

00:32:43.980 near a fire hydrant.

00:32:45.280 Skull fractured, severe cuts to his arms,

00:32:47.280 eyes swollen shut, and suffering from hypothermia.

00:32:49.680 And when a female paramedic arrived... 0.99

00:32:51.600 She arrived on scene, observed the victim's condition,

00:32:53.600 went to speak to the defendant in regard to any

00:32:55.620 sort of prior medical issues or causality

00:32:58.060 of the injuries that she observed to his face,

00:33:00.780 to which the defendants then made several statements

00:33:02.980 to her indicating,

00:33:04.340 I hit him, I hit him, I hit him, I hit him. 0.94

00:33:05.680 I think that...

00:33:06.740 Now, that was very important

00:33:07.720 because they're saying, like, look,

00:33:09.520 you know, she's going to be fairly honest

00:33:11.480 right after the incident

00:33:13.040 because, you know, these are what you could consider

00:33:15.240 like damn near spontaneous utterances, right?

00:33:17.840 But it wasn't until she got some more time

00:33:19.480 that, you know, she kind of switched up her story

00:33:22.360 and said that she didn't hit him.

00:33:24.360 There was a lot of political pressure

00:33:25.460 on this district attorney's office

00:33:26.660 to bring charges and letter to the fact

00:33:28.020 that a police officer was the victim here.

00:33:30.880 The alleged...

00:33:31.500 Also, it's very important for you guys to know

00:33:33.060 that Karen and John O'Keefe

00:33:34.540 were kind of on a rocky patch.

00:33:36.900 Karen had suspected him of cheating

00:33:38.280 and kissing another girl.

00:33:39.820 And she also... 1.00

00:33:41.200 She also... 1.00

00:33:43.400 What was the other thing?

00:33:44.700 Left him a voicemail saying, 1.00

00:33:46.000 fuck you, I hate you. 1.00

00:33:47.480 So they had a little bit of a tiff going on. 1.00

00:33:50.580 Details unfolded in a courtroom

00:33:52.160 packed with officers

00:33:52.980 and members of two families visibly upset.

00:33:55.480 O'Keefe was the guardian of a niece and nephew

00:33:57.240 while Reed is an adjunct professor

00:33:58.940 at Bentley University.

00:33:59.880 Okay, so yes, I double checked.

00:34:01.080 Yeah, there was vehicle data.

00:34:02.400 Digital forensic expert Shannon Berg

00:34:03.720 has testified about data from Reed's SUV

00:34:06.120 indicating a three-point turn event

00:34:07.540 and a reverse...

00:34:08.540 and a vacuum maneuver 0.99

00:34:09.280 consistent with reversing

00:34:10.180 at the time and location

00:34:10.920 where Keefe was found.

00:34:12.740 This data was extracted

00:34:13.680 from a micro-SD card

00:34:14.700 in the vehicle's infotainment system.

00:34:17.400 Do you want to say anything?

00:34:18.640 No comment.

00:34:19.140 Neither family would speak...

00:34:20.200 Yeah, so if you're going to do a hit and run, bro,

00:34:21.860 guys, don't do it in a...

00:34:22.880 Don't do it in one of these...

00:34:24.140 In these older cars.

00:34:26.460 I'm sorry.

00:34:26.860 Make sure you do it

00:34:27.600 in one of these older cars.

00:34:28.820 As they left,

00:34:29.400 but the head of the Boston Police Department

00:34:30.940 says they're all trying

00:34:31.800 to process this tragedy.

00:34:33.160 Lose anybody, any member,

00:34:34.400 and especially in circumstances like this,

00:34:35.700 it's tough.

00:34:39.440 Okay, this is her showing up at the scene.

00:34:41.740 Okay, you guys can see 0.99

00:34:42.520 it's fucking freezing. 0.98

00:34:44.040 Um, and this is from one of the dash cams. 0.99

00:34:47.600 Dash cam footage,

00:34:48.340 you can hear Karen Reed screaming,

00:34:50.280 then see her running,

00:34:51.180 apparently in distress,

00:34:52.260 as Canton police respond

00:34:53.240 after she discovered

00:34:53.980 her then-boyfriend John O'Keefe's body

00:34:55.700 in a snowbank.

00:34:56.760 Karen addressed that video after court. 0.99

00:34:58.100 I've seen it many times,

00:34:59.680 and it's difficult each time.

00:35:01.760 Prosecutors say Reed is the person

00:35:03.140 who put O'Keefe there,

00:35:04.260 hitting him with her car hours earlier

00:35:05.700 and leaving him to die in the cold

00:35:07.120 in January 2022.

00:35:08.740 After opening statements,

00:35:09.680 three witnesses testified Monday.

00:35:11.280 John's brother, Paul,

00:35:12.020 his wife, Erin,

00:35:13.040 and the first responding officer.

00:35:15.100 Ms. Reed was visibly upset. 0.90

00:35:17.500 She kept saying,

00:35:18.520 this is all my fault.

00:35:20.120 This is my fault.

00:35:20.820 I did this.

00:35:21.620 Then in the early hours

00:35:22.520 after John's body was discovered,

00:35:23.940 his sister-in-law, Erin,

00:35:24.940 described her phone calls

00:35:25.840 with Karen Reed.

00:35:26.980 Asked her, I said,

00:35:27.740 what the hell happened last night?

00:35:29.240 Erin O'Keefe told jurors

00:35:30.220 she and Karen were very close,

00:35:31.820 even that Reed confided in her

00:35:33.200 a month earlier

00:35:33.860 that she had caught John

00:35:35.040 kissing another woman.

00:35:36.280 But it was those comments

00:35:37.280 following John's death

00:35:38.300 that made Erin's head turn. 0.64

00:35:39.920 She told me

00:35:40.900 that she had to remember

00:35:42.120 the bad times,

00:35:43.500 which struck me

00:35:45.380 as an odd comment to say.

00:35:46.980 She said,

00:35:47.380 I don't think I'm ever

00:35:47.980 going to see you guys again.

00:35:49.400 Remember,

00:35:49.800 this is just the prosecution's

00:35:51.000 case so far.

00:35:51.960 If you ask Karen Reed's

00:35:52.900 defense attorneys,

00:35:53.540 they say,

00:35:54.360 Karen Reed was framed

00:35:56.060 for a murder

00:35:56.640 she did not commit.

00:35:59.180 And on this first day,

00:36:00.060 the defense team

00:36:00.580 did not cross-examine

00:36:01.480 any witnesses,

00:36:02.260 but they will cross-examine

00:36:03.560 that Canton police officer

00:36:04.620 who testified

00:36:05.120 first thing tomorrow morning.

00:36:06.700 Thankful that we have

00:36:07.700 the team we have.

00:36:09.300 William Reed leaving court

00:36:10.420 after the second day

00:36:11.220 of testimony

00:36:11.660 in his daughter's murder trial

00:36:13.160 focused on what

00:36:14.360 Karen Reed said.

00:36:15.380 All right,

00:36:15.620 so now we know

00:36:16.380 what occurred prior

00:36:18.460 and kind of what

00:36:19.000 the narrative is.

00:36:20.140 So now they're going

00:36:21.360 to get into the trial a bit.

00:36:22.460 Then we're going to,

00:36:23.000 and now once we cover this,

00:36:24.300 then we're going to get

00:36:25.020 into the trial

00:36:25.620 that's going on now,

00:36:26.620 which has been going on

00:36:27.480 for over a month now.

00:36:30.080 After she found

00:36:30.980 John O'Keefe's body

00:36:31.960 lifeless in the snow.

00:36:33.340 I hit him. 0.99

00:36:33.920 I hit him. 0.89

00:36:34.300 Is he dead?

00:36:36.140 Each time she said,

00:36:37.600 is he dead?

00:36:38.820 What was her tone of voice?

00:36:41.440 She was screaming very loudly.

00:36:43.080 First responders

00:36:43.700 recounted seeing...

00:36:44.660 And there's multiple

00:36:45.340 first responders

00:36:46.060 that heard this.

00:36:47.240 Firefighters, et cetera,

00:36:47.920 that came on the scene

00:36:48.600 and heard her saying,

00:36:49.340 I hit him, I hit him.

00:36:50.400 Right?

00:36:50.780 Which obviously

00:36:51.340 is very damaging.

00:36:52.880 Now, you can make the argument,

00:36:54.320 hey, she was drunk,

00:36:54.960 she doesn't even know

00:36:55.480 what she was doing.

00:36:56.540 You know,

00:36:57.040 does that necessarily mean

00:36:58.780 that she's guilty

00:36:59.520 by saying,

00:37:00.100 I hit him, I hit him,

00:37:00.640 or did I hit him?

00:37:01.460 Or I'm not sure?

00:37:03.260 You know,

00:37:03.520 it could go either way.

00:37:06.120 ...with blood on her face 1.00

00:37:07.440 after she gave John CPR.

00:37:09.200 Then they say

00:37:09.920 she admitted hitting him.

00:37:11.480 But the defense team

00:37:12.300 called police out

00:37:13.020 for inaccuracies

00:37:13.780 on reports from that day,

00:37:15.220 asked why they never

00:37:16.060 searched inside that house,

00:37:17.400 and questioned them

00:37:18.280 about another officer

00:37:19.080 who allegedly brought

00:37:19.860 a leaf blower

00:37:20.500 and blew around the snow

00:37:21.460 looking for evidence.

00:37:22.420 You certainly didn't see

00:37:23.080 45 pieces of broken plastic

00:37:25.260 for tail like you two. 0.97

00:37:26.140 No.

00:37:26.740 Even one piece

00:37:27.640 of broken plastic?

00:37:29.280 I did not.

00:37:30.080 Experts tell us

00:37:31.020 while the defense

00:37:31.560 spends time poking holes

00:37:32.660 in the police response,

00:37:33.840 the words Karen said

00:37:34.700 immediately following

00:37:35.440 the discovery of John's body

00:37:36.620 are crucial

00:37:37.220 to the prosecutor's case.

00:37:38.740 I tend to believe

00:37:39.280 that in that moment

00:37:40.260 Karen Reed's going

00:37:40.940 to be more truthful

00:37:41.640 than she would be

00:37:42.740 36 hours later,

00:37:44.200 let's say,

00:37:44.600 when sitting in front

00:37:45.160 of a police officer

00:37:45.880 and being interrogated,

00:37:46.880 right?

00:37:47.040 She's got more time

00:37:47.780 to reflect prosecution's theory,

00:37:49.540 more time to sort of

00:37:50.360 back off of what she said

00:37:51.420 and try to distance herself

00:37:52.400 from those remarks.

00:37:53.360 But in the moment,

00:37:54.120 it's pretty powerful

00:37:54.940 that she was saying

00:37:55.920 to first responders,

00:37:56.800 I hit him.

00:37:58.140 And Reed's defense lawyers

00:37:58.840 also asked one of those paramedics

00:38:00.100 if he thought John O'Keefe's injuries

00:38:01.240 could be from something

00:38:02.040 other than a car,

00:38:02.800 like a fight, for example.

00:38:04.000 He told them he couldn't say.

00:38:06.040 A long day of testimony

00:38:07.640 revisiting the tragic day

00:38:09.140 a couple years ago

00:38:09.940 that led to this.

00:38:11.160 Karen Reed accused 0.97

00:38:12.000 of killing her Boston 0.98

00:38:12.940 police officer boyfriend,

00:38:13.980 John O'Keefe,

00:38:14.560 in 2022.

00:38:15.960 With this SUV,

00:38:17.120 jurors got an in-person look at

00:38:18.780 when they visited the scene,

00:38:20.640 the Canton home,

00:38:21.640 where she allegedly 0.99

00:38:22.220 hit him with the vehicle 0.87

00:38:23.220 and left him in the driveway.

00:38:25.100 Part of the interior removed.

00:38:26.620 In the back,

00:38:27.200 a broken light.

00:38:28.380 Reed herself seemed upbeat

00:38:29.600 about the jury field trip.

00:38:31.180 We'll get a very good perspective.

00:38:32.640 This was after a tense morning

00:38:34.380 between her attorneys 0.88

00:38:35.480 and Canton firefighter

00:38:37.000 Katie McLaughlin.

00:38:38.040 This photo showing the two together

00:38:39.740 at the scene

00:38:40.460 the morning after it happened.

00:38:42.080 She said,

00:38:42.640 I hit him.

00:38:44.200 She repeated it.

00:38:45.120 Reed's attorneys

00:38:45.660 calling McLaughlin's credibility

00:38:47.140 into question,

00:38:48.240 bringing up her connection

00:38:49.440 to the daughter

00:38:50.040 of the Boston police officer

00:38:51.280 who owned this home

00:38:52.800 at the time

00:38:53.780 where O'Keefe's body was found.

00:38:55.660 I would say that we

00:38:57.120 have mutual friends,

00:39:00.140 so we might see each other

00:39:01.600 Yeah, I don't know why

00:39:02.180 it does this year.

00:39:03.060 Let me fast forward

00:39:03.760 this a little bit.

00:39:04.520 Sorry, Bill.

00:39:05.620 Oh, the truth.

00:39:07.020 Go ahead, Bill.

00:39:07.460 My daughter was factually innocent

00:39:08.640 and it's tough for me

00:39:11.000 to hear some of this.

00:39:12.220 Karen Reed herself

00:39:13.280 did not join jurors

00:39:14.740 for their trip to the scene

00:39:15.760 in Canton.

00:39:16.460 On the way out of court,

00:39:17.660 she was asked

00:39:18.160 if she would have wanted to.

00:39:19.380 She said,

00:39:19.780 no, I've already been there.

00:39:21.260 You've got to get here, okay?

00:39:24.980 Okay.

00:39:25.920 Emotional moments inside court

00:39:27.480 as the O'Keefe family

00:39:28.400 listens to the 911 call

00:39:29.920 from the early morning hours

00:39:31.040 of January 29, 2022.

00:39:32.980 That call came from

00:39:33.900 Jennifer McCabe

00:39:34.560 when she, Karen Reed,

00:39:36.000 and Kerry Roberts

00:39:36.620 found John O'Keefe's body

00:39:38.040 outside 34 Fairview Road

00:39:39.440 in Canton.

00:39:40.300 In the background,

00:39:40.780 you can hear Karen screaming.

00:39:42.780 Who's that in the background?

00:39:43.900 Is that someone related?

00:39:44.640 That's his girlfriend. 0.81

00:39:46.400 I think she's passed away.

00:39:48.260 Testimony revealed

00:39:48.920 that Karen Reed

00:39:49.520 became suicidal

00:39:50.420 in the hours that followed.

00:39:51.660 Her father called police on her.

00:39:53.040 Threats to take her own life.

00:39:54.720 Karen,

00:39:55.000 what would I like

00:39:55.340 for you to hear

00:39:55.600 those 911 calls?

00:39:57.020 I've heard those

00:39:57.660 many times too, Christine.

00:39:58.940 Okay.

00:39:59.740 They're not easy,

00:40:00.480 but they're revealing.

00:40:02.560 Monday's witnesses

00:40:03.240 focused mostly

00:40:04.080 on an unusual

00:40:04.800 and challenging

00:40:05.520 police investigation

00:40:06.400 in tough weather.

00:40:09.400 Officers blowing the snow

00:40:10.780 off of possible blood evidence,

00:40:12.500 then collecting it

00:40:13.540 in a neighbor's

00:40:14.120 borrowed solo cup

00:40:15.100 and transporting it

00:40:16.140 in a stopper.

00:40:16.700 Bro, 1.00

00:40:16.920 what the fuck 1.00

00:40:17.840 kind of evidence 0.99

00:40:18.420 handling is this, man?

00:40:19.580 Chopped bag.

00:40:20.620 Also,

00:40:21.020 allegations from the defense

00:40:22.020 that officers

00:40:22.540 actually damaged

00:40:23.560 Karen Reed's taillight 0.74

00:40:24.640 in the investigation.

00:40:26.280 During the removal process,

00:40:27.320 that light was broken

00:40:28.060 even more.

00:40:29.240 No.

00:40:30.520 And the afternoon

00:40:31.120 ended with Canton Sarge.

00:40:32.360 And the reason

00:40:32.980 why the taillight

00:40:33.500 is so important, guys,

00:40:34.240 because that's a critical

00:40:34.880 piece of evidence

00:40:35.760 that the prosecution

00:40:36.440 is using to go

00:40:37.280 after Karen Reed.

00:40:38.160 And they said

00:40:38.720 that there was a hair.

00:40:40.000 So two things.

00:40:40.780 You got the broken taillight,

00:40:41.840 then they said

00:40:42.280 that they found

00:40:42.700 a hair follicle

00:40:43.300 that belongs to John O'Keefe.

00:40:44.700 And also,

00:40:45.500 they were saying,

00:40:46.060 there was remnants

00:40:48.200 of a glass

00:40:48.760 because when he got hit,

00:40:49.680 he had a glass

00:40:50.300 of alcohol

00:40:51.820 and that was on

00:40:53.520 the bumper as well.

00:40:54.580 So there,

00:40:54.940 sorry,

00:40:55.240 the taillight as well.

00:40:57.600 So that's why

00:40:58.180 this taillight

00:40:59.740 in the vehicle

00:41:00.340 is so critical

00:41:01.140 to the defense's,

00:41:03.220 excuse me,

00:41:03.580 the prosecution's case.

00:41:04.420 urgent Michael Lank

00:41:05.380 on the stand,

00:41:05.940 but without the jury present.

00:41:07.360 He was testifying

00:41:07.940 to a previous relationship

00:41:08.920 with the homeowners

00:41:09.680 at Fairview Road.

00:41:10.920 Now, it hasn't been decided yet

00:41:12.040 whether or not

00:41:12.480 that previous relationship

00:41:13.320 will actually be admitted

00:41:14.280 in front of the jury.

00:41:15.580 We expect to find out tomorrow.

00:41:17.400 Something out of the ordinary,

00:41:18.420 like a black blob.

00:41:20.360 Julie Nagel

00:41:21.100 is among the group

00:41:21.720 of Brian Albert Jr.'s friends

00:41:23.020 who were over the house

00:41:23.720 for his birthday that night.

00:41:25.040 She, friend Sarah,

00:41:26.360 Brian's sister Caitlin Albert,

00:41:27.500 and her boyfriend Tristan Morris

00:41:28.620 all testified Tuesday.

00:41:30.340 Nagel says she was getting

00:41:31.200 a ride home

00:41:31.720 from Jen McCabe

00:41:32.380 that night

00:41:32.760 when she alerted her friend

00:41:33.640 to something on the lawn

00:41:34.760 in this spot she indicated.

00:41:36.660 I did say it out loud.

00:41:38.040 I was like,

00:41:38.680 I think I might have

00:41:39.160 saw something.

00:41:39.940 But she was drunk,

00:41:40.760 she says,

00:41:41.300 and the defense pointed out

00:41:42.400 this observation

00:41:43.140 was first noted

00:41:43.880 in October of 2022

00:41:45.260 to trooper Michael Proctor,

00:41:47.060 months after Karen Reed

00:41:48.280 was indicted for murder.

00:41:49.600 You've never mentioned 0.64

00:41:51.440 that this black object 0.94

00:41:52.920 was five or six feet long

00:41:54.180 until the last hour or so

00:41:55.880 when Mr. Lally

00:41:56.480 questioned you about it,

00:41:57.880 correct?

00:41:58.220 Yes.

00:41:59.120 This revelation came

00:42:00.060 after a half day

00:42:00.860 of testimony from others

00:42:01.960 about who saw whom,

00:42:03.180 where, and when,

00:42:04.100 and what many didn't see.

00:42:05.420 Against that white snow,

00:42:06.540 did you see

00:42:07.200 a black baseball cap?

00:42:08.520 I did not.

00:42:09.120 Absolutely not.

00:42:09.940 No.

00:42:10.340 Did you see a black sneaker?

00:42:11.520 I did not.

00:42:12.300 No.

00:42:12.800 Did you see a six foot two,

00:42:13.920 220 pound man

00:42:15.000 sprawled out

00:42:16.240 right in front of you

00:42:16.880 on that lawn?

00:42:17.640 I did not.

00:42:18.360 No, I did not.

00:42:19.140 No.

00:42:19.760 But jurors left the day

00:42:20.780 with the revelation

00:42:21.360 of that black blob

00:42:22.480 on the lawn.

00:42:23.340 A piece of evidence

00:42:23.940 defense attorneys squashed

00:42:25.120 on their way out of court.

00:42:26.300 Her credibility

00:42:26.760 is completely shot.

00:42:27.800 Do you think

00:42:28.020 this is a made up story?

00:42:29.380 Yeah, I think

00:42:29.900 it's a made up story.

00:42:31.120 A nice guy, a good guy.

00:42:33.820 That's Colin Albert

00:42:34.600 on the stand

00:42:35.160 talking about John O'Keefe.

00:42:36.580 He was 17 when John died

00:42:37.920 and has been pegged

00:42:38.680 by defense attorneys

00:42:39.420 as a possible suspect.

00:42:41.620 My opening statement

00:42:43.060 is it's not up to us

00:42:44.320 to solve this case.

00:42:45.800 We think that there are

00:42:46.900 multiple suspects

00:42:48.060 that the police

00:42:48.720 completely failed

00:42:49.620 to investigate.

00:42:50.720 Before Colin

00:42:51.360 took the stand,

00:42:52.000 his friend Allie McCabe did.

00:42:53.280 They're connected

00:42:53.840 in this family tree

00:42:54.680 through mutual cousins,

00:42:55.960 but they're not related.

00:42:57.120 She spoke about harassment

00:42:58.060 her family has faced.

00:42:59.480 People showing up

00:43:00.420 at her house,

00:43:02.000 people emailing my school.

00:43:07.920 Just like a lot of harassment.

00:43:10.800 Which is why she later 0.50

00:43:11.900 screenshotted texts

00:43:12.940 with Colin from that night

00:43:14.060 to prove when he left

00:43:15.060 the house, she says.

00:43:16.140 He was not at the house

00:43:16.740 when John was there,

00:43:17.480 so I drove him home.

00:43:19.020 So people are harassing him

00:43:20.400 saying he was at the house

00:43:21.580 when it's not true.

00:43:23.520 Witnesses earlier testified

00:43:24.500 to seeing a man and a woman

00:43:25.740 and then just a woman 0.99

00:43:26.900 in a car outside the home

00:43:27.980 that night.

00:43:28.740 The prosecution wants

00:43:29.560 the jury to believe

00:43:30.180 that's because John

00:43:31.040 was already in the snow.

00:43:32.320 The defense suggests

00:43:33.200 he was inside the house

00:43:34.280 and Colin could have

00:43:35.200 been there with him.

00:43:35.820 And obviously the two theories

00:43:37.680 are completely, you know,

00:43:39.780 diametrically opposed, right?

00:43:40.900 So like one side is saying

00:43:41.720 like, yeah, he went in the house.

00:43:42.760 Oh, another thing

00:43:43.380 that the prosecution,

00:43:44.540 or excuse me,

00:43:45.080 the defense is using

00:43:45.900 is they're saying,

00:43:46.840 look, he had bite marks

00:43:48.720 and scratches indicative

00:43:50.620 of a dog.

00:43:51.480 Well, they have a dog

00:43:52.260 in the house called Chloe, guys.

00:43:53.340 And what they were claiming was

00:43:56.020 not only did he get into a fight,

00:43:58.540 he got into a fight

00:43:59.160 and the dog attacked him.

00:44:00.200 That's how he had those

00:44:01.100 wounds on his arm.

00:44:03.160 Also, he had like

00:44:04.340 bruised knuckles.

00:44:05.340 They were saying

00:44:05.720 that these were defensive wounds

00:44:06.800 of him potentially

00:44:07.680 getting in a fist fight.

00:44:09.460 Right?

00:44:09.860 So as you guys can see,

00:44:10.820 the evidence kind of

00:44:11.360 goes back and forth.

00:44:13.040 Right?

00:44:13.700 It really does,

00:44:14.340 which is why this case

00:44:14.980 is exploding in popularity.

00:44:16.400 With him.

00:44:16.880 Point in time

00:44:17.380 on the evening of January 28th

00:44:18.800 into January 29th, 2022.

00:44:20.720 Did you see Mr. O'Keefe?

00:44:21.920 Anyway.

00:44:22.420 No.

00:44:23.340 There were two people

00:44:24.200 from Inside 34 Fairview

00:44:25.420 that night

00:44:25.780 that have yet to testify.

00:44:26.880 That's Jen and Matt McCabe.

00:44:28.060 And remember,

00:44:28.520 Jen was with Karen

00:44:29.280 in the morning

00:44:29.760 when John's body

00:44:30.420 was discovered as well.

00:44:31.540 So we expect to hear

00:44:32.340 from them soon.

00:44:33.000 And also,

00:44:33.500 another important note

00:44:34.100 for you guys.

00:44:35.060 She asked McCabe

00:44:36.160 to search

00:44:37.640 how long would somebody,

00:44:39.160 how long until someone

00:44:39.980 dies in the cold.

00:44:40.860 Now,

00:44:41.380 the defense is saying

00:44:42.400 that Karen asked her

00:44:45.300 to do that

00:44:45.840 after they found

00:44:47.380 Ken O'Keefe's body.

00:44:48.680 Right?

00:44:49.620 After they found it.

00:44:50.660 But then the prosecution

00:44:51.500 is saying

00:44:52.020 she had that Google search 0.61

00:44:55.040 prior to him dying.

00:44:57.740 Okay?

00:44:58.360 So those are the two

00:44:59.380 discrepancies as well.

00:45:01.660 But first,

00:45:02.520 Colin Albert will be back

00:45:03.480 on the stand

00:45:04.040 for cross-examination.

00:45:04.940 These videos taken

00:45:12.600 by Colin Albert

00:45:13.300 in high school

00:45:13.840 played before the jury

00:45:14.840 as the defense

00:45:15.620 worked to paint him

00:45:16.600 as a kid

00:45:17.080 with a propensity

00:45:17.660 for fighting.

00:45:18.620 That was a threat,

00:45:19.220 wasn't it?

00:45:20.220 Yes.

00:45:20.840 But Colin claims

00:45:21.660 he's never been in a fight,

00:45:23.080 not with anyone

00:45:23.640 but his brothers.

00:45:24.580 The defense also

00:45:25.440 showed this picture,

00:45:26.540 taken 28 days

00:45:27.440 after John O'Keefe's death.

00:45:28.740 See Colin's knuckles?

00:45:29.660 And I was walking

00:45:30.600 up the driveway

00:45:31.100 and I slipped

00:45:31.720 down the driveway

00:45:32.340 and I tried

00:45:33.080 to catch myself

00:45:33.660 but I had something

00:45:34.200 in my left hand

00:45:34.860 so I tried to brace myself

00:45:36.360 with my right hand

00:45:36.980 and I ended up sliding

00:45:37.740 a little bit down the driveway.

00:45:38.940 After Colin,

00:45:39.580 it was Matt McCabe's

00:45:40.360 turn to testify,

00:45:41.400 filling in yet another witness

00:45:42.480 in the long list of people

00:45:43.660 at or near that after party.

00:45:45.560 McCabe said he kept

00:45:46.420 looking outside

00:45:47.220 for O'Keefe and Reed

00:45:48.040 that night.

00:45:48.740 He saw Karen's car

00:45:49.560 outside in three

00:45:50.380 different positions

00:45:51.160 and a wave of tire

00:45:52.640 marks in the snow.

00:45:53.660 I looked out again

00:45:54.580 because it had been

00:45:56.880 a few minutes

00:45:57.360 and two, three, four minutes

00:45:59.580 I'm not sure how long

00:46:00.360 but it had been a few minutes

00:46:01.300 and we thought it was weird

00:46:02.760 that he hadn't come

00:46:03.240 into the house.

00:46:04.160 And they never did,

00:46:04.940 he says.

00:46:05.480 He didn't know why

00:46:06.360 until the next morning.

00:46:07.640 I woke up to screams

00:46:09.600 in my bedroom.

00:46:10.720 And Friday,

00:46:11.380 jurors will find out why

00:46:12.580 when Matt is on the stand again

00:46:14.060 followed by his wife,

00:46:15.360 Jen McCabe.

00:46:16.460 What do you hope

00:46:17.360 to get out of Jen McCabe? 0.99

00:46:20.180 Same thing,

00:46:20.900 I'm hoping to get out

00:46:21.660 of every witness,

00:46:22.140 a little bit of truth.

00:46:23.480 So why does Jen McCabe's 1.00

00:46:24.360 testimony matter so much?

00:46:25.980 Well, she was one of two women 1.00

00:46:27.280 who were with Karen Reed

00:46:28.500 when John O'Keefe's body

00:46:29.780 was discovered.

00:46:30.660 Also, there's been

00:46:31.180 some controversy

00:46:31.960 around an alleged

00:46:32.740 Google search Jen McCabe did 0.99

00:46:34.200 regarding how long

00:46:35.160 it takes to die in the cold.

00:46:36.800 Now, you guys are going

00:46:37.580 to see the two different

00:46:38.320 theories for this Google search.

00:46:40.200 She grabbed my hands 1.00

00:46:41.520 and she said,

00:46:42.900 Google hypothermia.

00:46:43.780 Reed told her to.

00:46:45.100 The woman who's 0.98

00:46:45.720 Jen McCabe takes to die

00:46:47.220 in the cold.

00:46:47.740 That's Jen McCabe. 1.00

00:46:48.060 6am because Karen Reed

00:46:49.400 told her to.

00:46:50.500 The woman who discovered

00:46:51.380 John O'Keefe's body

00:46:52.220 with Karen told her version

00:46:53.560 of the story Friday,

00:46:54.760 starting with the early

00:46:55.480 morning phone call

00:46:56.280 from Karen.

00:46:57.060 And she tells me that

00:46:58.080 John didn't come home.

00:46:59.260 They got into a fight

00:47:00.160 and that she left him

00:47:01.140 at the water.

00:47:01.660 After party.

00:47:02.600 Then on the phone,

00:47:03.480 she was saying,

00:47:04.120 did I hit him?

00:47:04.720 Could I have hit him?

00:47:05.980 And then she proceeded

00:47:07.000 to say that she had

00:47:07.800 a crack to tell him.

00:47:07.860 It's not me, guys.

00:47:08.700 It's the video.

00:47:09.240 There's something going

00:47:09.840 on with the video.

00:47:10.720 On the drive,

00:47:11.260 Jen told jurors

00:47:11.960 Karen was hysterical,

00:47:13.340 talking about other women

00:47:14.380 John O'Keefe

00:47:14.860 had dated years prior.

00:47:16.020 As they pulled near the house,

00:47:17.760 Karen screamed,

00:47:18.640 there he is

00:47:19.160 and bolted out the car.

00:47:20.420 The three women 0.58

00:47:20.880 then discovered O'Keefe's

00:47:21.860 lifeless body on the lawn,

00:47:23.360 covered in snow.

00:47:24.360 I saw Carrie wiping 0.97

00:47:25.640 the snow off of John's face

00:47:27.340 and I could not believe

00:47:28.400 that that was John Langna.

00:47:29.640 Still hysterical,

00:47:30.780 the women tried to warm John,

00:47:32.400 performed CPR

00:47:33.160 and called 911.

00:47:34.540 Once paramedics arrived,

00:47:35.580 Jen McCabe told jurors

00:47:36.580 Karen's words were clear.

00:47:38.200 Three times,

00:47:38.880 I hit him, 0.97

00:47:39.500 I hit him, 0.99

00:47:40.120 I hit him. 0.84

00:47:41.180 And obviously,

00:47:41.840 they're saying that

00:47:42.860 this was all for show

00:47:43.660 when she showed up.

00:47:44.920 But Karen's attorney says

00:47:45.860 Jen will have a lot 1.00

00:47:46.700 to answer for

00:47:47.420 when it's his turn

00:47:48.120 to ask questions,

00:47:49.140 including what time

00:47:50.200 that Google search

00:47:50.920 really happened.

00:47:51.900 There are more holes

00:47:53.180 in her story

00:47:53.920 than a fishing net.

00:47:55.400 Now, there's no court

00:47:56.340 on Monday in this case,

00:47:57.340 so cross-examination

00:47:58.020 will take place

00:47:58.540 first thing Tuesday morning.

00:47:59.960 Fourth defined the four hours

00:48:01.720 of Jen McCabe's

00:48:02.400 cross-examination Tuesday.

00:48:03.880 McCabe was with Karen Reed

00:48:05.060 when they found

00:48:05.600 John O'Keefe's body.

00:48:06.800 She testified that she heard

00:48:07.820 Karen say she hit him.

00:48:09.280 Testimony the defense says

00:48:10.180 has changed over the years.

00:48:11.660 Instead, lawyer Allen Jackson

00:48:12.840 painted Jen as the 0.97

00:48:13.820 orchestrator of the narrative

00:48:15.080 told by her family and friends.

00:48:16.860 Have you spoken to them

00:48:17.740 about these events

00:48:18.600 between then and now?

00:48:19.680 About this case?

00:48:21.180 Is that what you're asking?

00:48:23.880 Yes, Ms. McCabe,

00:48:24.800 I'm asking about this case.

00:48:26.060 Of course, I speak to them

00:48:27.180 all the time

00:48:27.880 about the vicious harassment

00:48:29.080 we are all receiving.

00:48:30.720 Karen Reed's team

00:48:31.700 accused McCabe

00:48:32.540 of an off-the-books meeting

00:48:33.540 with a Campton cop

00:48:34.420 in the days after John's death.

00:48:36.140 And the jury heard

00:48:37.080 for the first time

00:48:37.920 allegations that Jen deleted

00:48:39.780 at least six calls.

00:48:41.320 She made two.

00:48:41.960 See, now you guys

00:48:42.860 are starting to see

00:48:43.440 where the conspiracy theories

00:48:44.400 are coming from.

00:48:46.700 Who John O'Keefe

00:48:48.740 between 1229 and 1250

00:48:50.860 that night?

00:48:51.960 I believe I used

00:48:52.840 the word butt dials.

00:48:55.740 You claimed that

00:48:56.720 every one of these calls

00:48:57.540 was a butt dial. 0.54

00:48:58.380 Is that right?

00:48:59.340 Yes.

00:49:00.080 Defense lawyers believe

00:49:01.140 those deleted calls

00:49:02.160 could provide reasonable doubt

00:49:03.420 for the jury.

00:49:04.360 Butt dialing is becoming

00:49:05.260 a thing with the Albert clan.

00:49:06.520 Like, how bizarre is that?

00:49:08.180 And so you say

00:49:09.080 John was in the house,

00:49:09.960 his phone's missing,

00:49:10.500 she's calling him

00:49:10.920 to find his phone.

00:49:11.400 That's certainly

00:49:12.160 a reasonable interpretation,

00:49:13.200 isn't it?

00:49:13.720 The jury has yet to hear

00:49:14.760 any cross-examination

00:49:15.600 about that Google search

00:49:16.520 Jen McCabe did

00:49:17.240 about how long

00:49:17.800 to die in the cold.

00:49:18.880 She'll be back on the stand

00:49:19.600 first thing Wednesday morning,

00:49:20.760 then Carrie Roberts

00:49:21.620 is up next.

00:49:22.780 What phrase did you put

00:49:24.380 in your phone?

00:49:25.040 I'm just asking you

00:49:25.700 to say it.

00:49:26.500 Why don't you show me it?

00:49:27.500 The Google search

00:49:28.580 at the heart of

00:49:29.200 the defense's theory

00:49:30.120 finally addressed

00:49:31.100 as Jen McCabe

00:49:31.840 finished up her

00:49:32.460 three days of testimony.

00:49:34.100 How long to die

00:49:34.860 in the cold?

00:49:35.900 Misspelled,

00:49:36.620 according to phone data

00:49:37.400 shown to the...

00:49:37.900 Because she was probably

00:49:38.580 drunk just like

00:49:39.140 everybody else.

00:49:39.820 The jury,

00:49:40.940 it appears Jen Googled it

00:49:42.040 at 2.27 a.m.

00:49:43.380 before John O'Keefe's

00:49:44.380 body was found,

00:49:45.180 then again at 6.23

00:49:46.380 and 6.24 a.m.

00:49:47.760 But she says

00:49:48.540 that 2.00 a.m. search

00:49:49.480 never happened.

00:49:50.800 Haas long to die in cold. 1.00

00:49:52.860 Does that sound familiar?

00:49:53.720 Yeah, it's been everywhere.

00:49:54.500 Why does that sound so familiar?

00:49:55.580 Because you put it out

00:49:56.300 in social media.

00:49:57.280 That exchange

00:49:57.860 led to fireworks in court

00:49:59.180 about so-called harassment

00:50:00.280 at the hands of

00:50:01.000 free Karen Reed supporters

00:50:02.040 and a bond formed

00:50:03.260 between Jen 0.68

00:50:03.900 and the lead investigator's

00:50:05.040 wife, Elizabeth Proctor.

00:50:06.240 We received calls,

00:50:07.280 people drive by our house,

00:50:08.600 there was a rolling rally.

00:50:09.500 outside of my house

00:50:10.740 where people just screamed

00:50:11.860 at us.

00:50:12.880 McCabe introducing the jury

00:50:14.120 to the fanfare

00:50:14.820 surrounding this case outside

00:50:16.240 and addressing claims

00:50:17.240 that she was the mastermind

00:50:18.620 behind a cover-up.

00:50:19.820 I never would have left

00:50:20.900 John O'Keefe

00:50:21.620 out in the cold 0.83

00:50:22.400 to die 0.56

00:50:22.940 because he was my friend

00:50:23.920 that I loved.

00:50:24.780 There were many tears

00:50:26.000 on the stand Wednesday,

00:50:27.200 some from John's good friend

00:50:28.180 Carrie Roberts.

00:50:29.320 Carrie tearfully watched

00:50:30.260 Dash camera video

00:50:31.080 of that morning.

00:50:31.980 She was with Jen McCabe

00:50:32.880 and Karen

00:50:33.300 after Reed called

00:50:34.320 and told her

00:50:34.740 John was dead

00:50:35.480 and hadn't come home.

00:50:36.780 Carrie drove them

00:50:37.360 to 34 Fairview

00:50:38.240 when she says

00:50:38.920 Karen screamed

00:50:39.640 and started kicking

00:50:40.540 the door to get

00:50:41.160 out of the car.

00:50:42.060 And she ran over 1.00

00:50:42.740 to a mound of snow.

00:50:44.640 That mound of snow

00:50:45.580 was John O'Keefe's

00:50:46.700 buried body.

00:50:47.540 Ran over

00:50:47.960 and I dug his head up 0.99

00:50:49.020 and grabbed the snow.

00:50:53.480 Defendant responded.

00:50:54.820 Okay, so foul ball, 0.99

00:50:56.220 you stink, 1.00

00:50:56.680 you suck, 1.00

00:50:57.100 and you're double trouble, 1.00

00:50:57.960 you're hot.

00:50:58.340 Are you serious

00:50:58.680 or are you messing with me?

00:50:59.980 No, I'm serious feeling

00:51:00.620 as mutual as that bad.

00:51:01.380 How long do you have?

00:51:02.160 Have you thought that?

00:51:02.960 Are you okay,

00:51:03.400 Dream?

00:51:03.520 You don't want to stay here.

00:51:04.400 You're hot.

00:51:05.780 That text from Karen Reed

00:51:06.960 began a couple of weeks

00:51:08.100 of flirtation

00:51:08.800 in January 2022

00:51:09.960 and for one hour Friday

00:51:11.740 jurors listened

00:51:12.420 to dozens of the messages.

00:51:14.400 You know, I'm not...

00:51:15.000 And I think if I'm not mistaken

00:51:15.980 this is the ATF agent

00:51:16.860 that was at the house as well. 1.00

00:51:17.900 This shit is crazy, bro. 1.00

00:51:19.160 ...and for text from... 1.00

00:51:21.080 Defendant responded,

00:51:24.260 you're hot.

00:51:24.920 That text from Karen Reed

00:51:26.260 began a couple of weeks

00:51:27.400 of flirtation

00:51:28.120 in January 2022

00:51:29.380 and for one hour Friday

00:51:31.040 jurors listened

00:51:31.720 to dozens of the messages.

00:51:32.920 You know, I'm not...

00:51:34.840 I'm not proud

00:51:35.380 of these text messages.

00:51:36.680 Brian Higgins,

00:51:37.420 an ATF agent

00:51:38.100 who worked out of Canton PD

00:51:39.400 recounting a texting relationship

00:51:41.080 with Karen

00:51:41.600 in the weeks leading up

00:51:42.540 to John O'Keefe's death

00:51:43.380 and their one

00:51:44.240 physical romantic interaction.

00:51:46.180 The defendant kissed me.

00:51:47.480 And how did she kiss me?

00:51:48.360 Bro, this is crazy, man.

00:51:50.780 Not like a friend.

00:51:51.360 Girl's an ATF agent 1.00

00:51:52.160 doing this dumbass shit, man. 1.00

00:51:53.220 Is that fair to say? 1.00

00:51:53.900 Yes.

00:51:54.840 ...that her relationship

00:51:55.660 with John was deteriorating.

00:51:57.340 Okay, I'm divorced since 2015

00:51:58.800 and have no kids.

00:51:59.580 I try very hard

00:52:00.340 but they are very spoiled

00:52:01.300 and they're not my family

00:52:02.100 and my parents keep telling me

00:52:03.180 I'd feel differently

00:52:03.820 if they were mine

00:52:04.360 or my own sister's.

00:52:05.660 Then,

00:52:06.620 I told you you got drunk

00:52:07.700 and sloppy on New Year's Eve

00:52:08.640 while we were away

00:52:09.580 and that has really affected me.

00:52:11.420 What did he exactly do?

00:52:12.820 I never got married

00:52:13.460 and now somehow

00:52:13.960 I'm arguing with someone

00:52:14.660 about raising kids.

00:52:15.760 Why won't you tell me?

00:52:16.660 He was a puddle all day

00:52:17.840 and then disappeared.

00:52:19.620 Then I found him

00:52:20.520 all over friend's sister 0.84

00:52:21.920 in the lobby of our hotel 0.96

00:52:22.880 and she's gross 1.00

00:52:23.540 which I think 0.97

00:52:24.660 may actually be worse.

00:52:27.620 So, she's going ahead

00:52:28.740 to talk with this guy.

00:52:29.600 She claimed to have seen

00:52:30.980 John kiss another woman

00:52:32.000 on their New Year's vacation

00:52:33.000 and that she struggled

00:52:34.200 helping raise his kids.

00:52:35.580 Because I went from being solo

00:52:36.920 to trying to give attention

00:52:37.980 to kids who aren't mine.

00:52:39.540 Because remember

00:52:39.840 like I told you guys before

00:52:41.080 those two kids are not hers. 0.98

00:52:43.120 And I never wanted kids.

00:52:44.900 The two went through a lull

00:52:45.940 for about a week

00:52:46.620 then Higgins fired...

00:52:47.580 Hey, we just hit front page

00:52:48.600 on Rumble, niggas. 1.00

00:52:49.280 Let's go!

00:52:52.380 I think I'm the only person

00:52:53.380 that's like live right now

00:52:54.300 on Rumble like that.

00:52:55.320 Let me see here.

00:52:55.840 Yeah.

00:52:59.020 Yeah.

00:52:59.500 Alright, we lit, Chad.

00:53:00.320 We lit, we lit.

00:53:00.960 We're on the front page.

00:53:02.120 ...heard off a text

00:53:02.760 at the waterfall that night

00:53:03.840 and received this text

00:53:04.960 back from Karen

00:53:05.600 shortly before noon

00:53:06.560 on January 29th.

00:53:08.260 John died.

00:53:09.400 Then fireworks

00:53:10.100 at the end of the day

00:53:10.900 as defense attorneys

00:53:11.640 accused him

00:53:12.240 of destroying his phone.

00:53:14.180 You've destroyed that phone,

00:53:15.100 haven't you?

00:53:15.540 No, I threw the phone away.

00:53:17.560 Ooh.

00:53:19.280 Falcon Punch! 0.86

00:53:21.240 And not only him

00:53:21.860 but I think the other guy,

00:53:22.880 Avery, also got rid

00:53:23.860 of his phone.

00:53:24.520 That's destroying the phone,

00:53:25.500 isn't it?

00:53:25.840 Brian Higgins

00:53:28.060 will be back on the stand

00:53:28.760 first thing Tuesday morning

00:53:29.920 and Tuesday is the only day

00:53:31.280 of court in this case

00:53:32.000 next week.

00:53:32.740 Also of note,

00:53:33.460 defense attorney Alan Jackson

00:53:34.480 will not be present

00:53:35.340 on Tuesday.

00:53:36.480 No, what I testified to

00:53:37.660 was that it's...

00:53:38.340 Did you take the SIM card

00:53:39.440 out of your phone,

00:53:40.620 yes or no?

00:53:41.580 I don't know.

00:53:42.520 A contentious cross-examination

00:53:43.840 with Brian Higgins.

00:53:44.880 Defense attorneys asking

00:53:45.760 why he extracted his text

00:53:47.220 with Karen Reed

00:53:47.820 and John O'Keefe

00:53:48.480 then removed and broke

00:53:49.640 his SIM card

00:53:50.200 and dumped his phone

00:53:50.920 in a military-based trash

00:53:52.200 despite a preservation request. 0.96

00:53:54.100 Higgins said he was

00:53:54.600 concerned about people

00:53:55.240 who had gotten

00:53:55.620 his personal number

00:53:56.380 and the phone

00:53:57.080 didn't mean much to him.

00:53:58.160 I'm divorced.

00:53:59.160 I don't have kids.

00:54:01.260 I didn't have the typical

00:54:02.280 memories that somebody

00:54:03.460 would have had.

00:54:04.520 Higgins, who previously

00:54:05.320 testified to a flirty

00:54:06.300 relationship with Karen,

00:54:07.460 was one of eight witnesses

00:54:08.460 on the stand

00:54:09.020 in a long day

00:54:09.660 of testimony Tuesday.

00:54:10.960 Among the group,

00:54:11.540 a number of medical professionals

00:54:12.680 and forensic experts.

00:54:13.660 So we got juvenile

00:54:14.780 O'Keefe's niece,

00:54:16.740 Michael Trotta,

00:54:18.260 can't public works,

00:54:18.960 Nicholas Roberts,

00:54:19.620 forensic toxicologist,

00:54:21.640 Dr. Gary Fowler,

00:54:22.480 pathologist,

00:54:23.100 Louis Jutras,

00:54:24.380 Canton IT department,

00:54:25.540 Brian Higgins,

00:54:26.060 ATF agent,

00:54:26.720 Dr. Justin Rice,

00:54:27.800 emergency physician,

00:54:28.800 and then another juvenile,

00:54:29.800 O'Keefe's nephew.

00:54:30.460 Who told the jury

00:54:31.000 their tests put Karen's 0.74

00:54:32.120 blood alcohol

00:54:32.680 above the legal limit

00:54:33.660 that day

00:54:34.140 with what defense attorneys

00:54:35.180 called unreliable testing.

00:54:36.540 If Ms. Green drank alcohol 1.00

00:54:38.300 after 1245 a.m.

00:54:40.540 and before her blood

00:54:41.340 was drawn at 908 a.m.,

00:54:42.880 your entire calculation

00:54:44.020 would be invalid.

00:54:45.700 Uh, yeah.

00:54:47.460 Some highly anticipated

00:54:48.460 testimony was off camera.

00:54:50.180 John's teenage niece

00:54:50.960 and nephew testified

00:54:51.680 about their two years

00:54:52.700 witnessing what the prosecution

00:54:53.680 has called

00:54:54.280 a deteriorating relationship.

00:54:56.160 On the phone

00:54:56.600 the morning of John's death,

00:54:58.040 Karen said... 0.89

00:54:58.580 That's crazy that they put

00:54:59.600 juveniles on the stand, bro.

00:55:00.760 That would never happen

00:55:01.480 in federal court. 1.00

00:55:02.120 That's some state-level shit, man. 0.99

00:55:03.900 Maybe I did something. 1.00

00:55:05.060 Maybe a snowplow hit him.

00:55:06.160 The niece testified.

00:55:07.320 She said they were

00:55:07.800 in an argument.

00:55:08.880 The defense criticized

00:55:09.620 that decision.

00:55:10.700 It was desperate

00:55:12.020 and inappropriate

00:55:12.720 for the DA's office

00:55:14.480 to call children

00:55:15.280 to try to prove

00:55:17.020 a non-executive...

00:55:17.380 Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

00:55:18.000 That is kind of crazy.

00:55:18.980 But I can see why

00:55:19.800 the prosecution did it

00:55:20.660 because the prosecution

00:55:21.500 is trying to illustrate

00:55:22.320 that this was a volatile

00:55:24.040 relationship

00:55:24.700 where there was

00:55:25.180 personal issues.

00:55:26.420 So that's why they

00:55:27.140 did that.

00:55:28.360 So I can see why

00:55:29.300 they did that.

00:55:31.180 But, you know,

00:55:32.420 it's kind...

00:55:33.040 It's a little uncouth.

00:55:34.860 I ain't gonna lie to y'all.

00:55:35.440 It's kind of uncouth.

00:55:37.160 ...that they failed

00:55:38.340 to prove

00:55:38.700 through their adult witnesses.

00:55:40.440 This was the only day

00:55:41.380 of testimony this week.

00:55:42.520 And next week,

00:55:43.060 there will only be

00:55:43.560 three days of court

00:55:44.520 in this case

00:55:45.000 as we enter

00:55:45.600 the sixth week

00:55:46.520 of testimony.

00:55:48.180 Zero.

00:55:49.240 Absolutely zero.

00:55:49.880 Okay, this is Trooper Proctor.

00:55:51.880 This is the guy,

00:55:52.640 the main case trooper

00:55:54.080 that ran this case.

00:55:55.460 And about the unflattering

00:55:56.600 personal text messages

00:55:57.580 of his he sent

00:55:58.300 over the lifetime

00:55:58.880 of the case.

00:55:59.820 She's a... 0.94

00:56:00.100 And about the unflattering

00:56:01.760 personal text messages

00:56:02.740 of his he sent...

00:56:03.360 And they really

00:56:04.000 attacked him on this

00:56:04.960 on the cross.

00:56:06.600 You guys are gonna see

00:56:07.440 some of the messages

00:56:07.920 he sent.

00:56:08.400 ...time of the case.

00:56:09.160 She's a whack job. 1.00

00:56:10.920 See you.

00:56:14.560 So don't spell it.

00:56:15.920 You have to...

00:56:16.460 So these are your words. 1.00

00:56:17.720 We have fucked. 1.00

00:56:18.720 Childhood friends, 1.00

00:56:19.660 his wife,

00:56:20.340 disparaging Karen Reed,

00:56:21.820 at times mocking

00:56:22.580 her medical condition

00:56:23.400 as he investigated

00:56:24.180 her for murder. 0.57

00:56:25.120 The rest of the

00:56:25.820 unprofessional

00:56:26.680 and regrettable comments

00:56:27.560 are something

00:56:28.680 I'm not proud of.

00:56:31.160 ...testified about when...

00:56:32.160 ...wrote in a private

00:56:33.820 or any type of setting.

00:56:34.800 ...before Proctor,

00:56:35.580 two other witnesses

00:56:36.240 testified about when

00:56:37.300 Karen's taillight broke.

00:56:38.460 Then Trooper Proctor

00:56:39.360 showed the jury

00:56:40.000 the actual physical

00:56:40.880 taillight itself.

00:56:42.080 But Proctor's texts

00:56:42.920 took over Monday afternoon.

00:56:44.740 These moments

00:56:45.280 were as he testified

00:56:46.020 for the state.

00:56:47.120 Then defense attorney

00:56:47.740 Alan Jackson got 25 minutes

00:56:49.140 to start cross-examination.

00:56:50.680 Who's the...

00:56:51.580 ...client?

00:56:53.180 Um...

00:56:53.900 Correct?

00:56:55.200 Include the following.

00:56:57.440 She's a... 0.94

00:56:58.060 ...jection.

00:56:59.920 Is that right?

00:57:01.000 Yes.

00:57:01.340 A whack job, correct? 0.84

00:57:02.580 Yes.

00:57:03.140 Basically he was saying 0.97

00:57:04.080 that she's retarded 1.00

00:57:04.840 and that he hopes she dies 1.00

00:57:08.280 so he doesn't have to 0.97

00:57:09.000 do the case anymore 0.99

00:57:09.840 and shit 1.00

00:57:10.140 is what he was texting 1.00

00:57:11.320 his colleagues.

00:57:12.900 Right?

00:57:13.860 Yes.

00:57:14.240 And that's what the cross-examination

00:57:15.820 is beating him up on.

00:57:16.660 Now let me be honest

00:57:17.280 with you guys here.

00:57:18.200 Right?

00:57:18.700 This is what the defense

00:57:19.440 is paid to do.

00:57:20.400 They're paid to obfuscate

00:57:21.360 the case 1.00

00:57:21.840 because you saying shit 0.98

00:57:24.260 about the defense, 0.99

00:57:25.460 right?

00:57:25.760 Or sorry, 1.00

00:57:26.240 you saying shit 0.99

00:57:26.800 about the defendant 0.99

00:57:27.400 saying like, 0.99

00:57:28.220 oh, they're retarded 1.00

00:57:28.740 or whatever. 0.97

00:57:30.160 Does that really affect

00:57:31.140 the integrity

00:57:31.540 of the investigation?

00:57:32.280 Not really.

00:57:33.020 But the defense

00:57:34.080 has this theory

00:57:35.040 that it was a conspiracy,

00:57:36.640 it was a cover-up,

00:57:37.240 et cetera.

00:57:37.520 So this fits perfectly

00:57:39.100 into their theory

00:57:42.580 and their allegation

00:57:43.460 is like,

00:57:43.840 yo, look,

00:57:44.480 he's biased,

00:57:45.320 he's covering up, 0.99

00:57:46.460 he hates this woman

00:57:47.260 and he has a personal 0.97

00:57:49.020 issue with her.

00:57:49.660 So it feeds into

00:57:50.880 what they're trying

00:57:51.640 to establish

00:57:53.480 in their theory.

00:57:54.960 So that's why

00:57:55.680 this testimony

00:57:57.860 was so important

00:57:58.520 for the defense,

00:58:00.480 for them to basically

00:58:01.440 beat him up quite a bit.

00:58:03.200 That is why. 1.00

00:58:08.320 No ass, correct? 1.00

00:58:10.000 Yes. 1.00

00:58:10.340 She's f***ing 1.00

00:58:11.120 according to you, right? 0.98

00:58:12.240 Yes. 0.99

00:58:12.620 A girl who s***ed herself, 1.00

00:58:13.900 right? 0.99

00:58:14.420 Correct.

00:58:14.940 But the focus Wednesday

00:58:15.840 was about more than

00:58:16.620 the insults in those texts,

00:58:18.080 but what they revealed

00:58:18.760 about how Trooper Proctor

00:58:19.880 conducted his investigation

00:58:21.020 into John O'Keefe's death

00:58:22.200 as early as the night

00:58:23.360 after it happened.

00:58:24.280 But I assume you guys

00:58:25.520 are out to make it

00:58:26.340 cut and dry

00:58:27.060 since it involves cops,

00:58:29.340 correct?

00:58:30.520 Yes.

00:58:31.440 And Byrd writes,

00:58:32.680 something stinks,

00:58:34.560 correct?

00:58:35.480 Correct.

00:58:36.460 And then Trooper Proctor,

00:58:37.540 you responded,

00:58:38.640 yeah,

00:58:39.440 but there will be

00:58:40.580 some serious charges

00:58:41.520 brought on the girl. 1.00

00:58:42.360 In five hours,

00:58:43.300 the defense asked

00:58:44.040 Trooper Proctor

00:58:44.660 why he never considered

00:58:45.740 other suspects

00:58:46.500 if he deleted ring video

00:58:47.940 to conceal evidence

00:58:48.900 and about his friendship

00:58:49.900 with the Albert family.

00:58:51.120 After court,

00:58:51.520 defense attorney felt...

00:58:52.360 Remember guys,

00:58:52.900 the Albert family

00:58:53.440 is the family

00:58:53.920 where this house was

00:58:54.880 on 34 Fairview.

00:58:56.400 One of the guys

00:58:58.380 was a Boston police

00:58:59.420 officer investigator

00:59:00.080 and I think the other

00:59:00.760 guy was a Canton police

00:59:01.560 officer.

00:59:02.280 ...testimony cemented

00:59:03.640 a future Karen Reid

00:59:04.660 acquittal.

00:59:05.340 And John O'Keefe

00:59:05.920 was the Boston police

00:59:06.640 officer.

00:59:07.280 Beyond any reason,

00:59:08.400 beyond any doubt,

00:59:09.300 I've never seen

00:59:09.640 anything like that.

00:59:10.200 Like everything he's

00:59:10.860 touched on...

00:59:11.360 I'm all the rest.

00:59:12.120 After eight weeks

00:59:12.940 of testimony

00:59:13.460 and 68 witnesses...

00:59:15.080 That's crazy.

00:59:16.040 Two months,

00:59:16.560 68 witnesses.

00:59:17.380 ...date rested its case

00:59:18.400 against Karen Reid.

00:59:19.500 Its final witness,

00:59:20.340 the medical examiner,

00:59:21.500 left the manner

00:59:22.140 of John O'Keefe's death

00:59:23.060 unsolved for the jury,

00:59:24.460 not definitively

00:59:25.400 from a car strike.

00:59:26.280 Would you agree

00:59:26.680 that his injuries

00:59:27.320 to his face

00:59:27.920 are consistent?

00:59:28.760 This was huge

00:59:29.340 for the defense.

00:59:30.260 With having been punched.

00:59:31.440 That is a possibility.

00:59:32.920 Dragged on the ground.

00:59:34.160 It's possible.

00:59:34.920 Being struck

00:59:35.340 with a large object

00:59:36.180 such as a baseball bat

00:59:37.140 or a barbell.

00:59:37.860 It's possible.

00:59:38.560 Now the defense

00:59:39.140 takes center stage.

00:59:40.060 And this is the thing,

00:59:40.920 right?

00:59:41.180 Like I told you guys before,

00:59:42.520 the defense's job

00:59:43.340 isn't to prove

00:59:44.440 that you're innocent.

00:59:45.240 The defense's job

00:59:46.040 is to prove

00:59:46.680 that maybe you're innocent.

00:59:48.660 Okay?

00:59:49.340 So the government

00:59:50.540 has the burden

00:59:51.360 of performance.

00:59:51.820 They have to prove

00:59:52.900 beyond a reasonable doubt

00:59:53.600 that you're guilty.

00:59:54.560 All the defense has to do

00:59:55.540 is question that.

00:59:57.140 So with this witness

00:59:58.240 saying it's possible,

00:59:59.920 I'm not sure exactly,

01:00:01.840 that creates

01:00:02.500 that critical reasonable doubt

01:00:04.240 that the defense needs.

01:00:05.140 Guys, remember

01:00:05.460 in the United States of America,

01:00:06.920 you need to be found guilty

01:00:07.780 beyond a reasonable doubt.

01:00:09.140 And when a witness

01:00:09.800 goes up on there

01:00:10.500 and says,

01:00:10.900 look,

01:00:11.960 it could have been

01:00:12.540 from a car,

01:00:13.000 it could have been

01:00:13.320 from a bat,

01:00:13.900 it could have been

01:00:14.280 from blunt force

01:00:15.240 getting hit by something,

01:00:16.500 like it could have been

01:00:17.060 anything,

01:00:18.180 that creates

01:00:18.960 that reasonable doubt

01:00:19.640 that the defense needs

01:00:20.660 to attack

01:00:22.140 the government's case

01:00:22.860 or in this case,

01:00:23.420 the state's case.

01:00:24.540 First,

01:00:25.020 with a plow driver

01:00:25.760 who says he plowed

01:00:26.640 Fairview Road

01:00:27.260 multiple times

01:00:28.040 between 2 and 6 a.m.

01:00:29.340 that night.

01:00:29.980 Did you see anything

01:00:31.080 on the lawn?

01:00:32.460 Nothing.

01:00:33.180 See a body?

01:00:33.960 No.

01:00:34.680 No body,

01:00:35.540 but he did see

01:00:36.080 a Ford Edge

01:00:36.820 parked out front

01:00:37.480 that arrived

01:00:38.000 between 2.45

01:00:38.840 and 3 a.m.,

01:00:39.600 he says,

01:00:40.240 which the defense

01:00:40.880 believes shows

01:00:41.460 activity at the house

01:00:42.400 when everyone said

01:00:43.140 they were asleep.

01:00:44.160 John O'Keefe

01:00:44.460 was killed inside

01:00:45.040 that house

01:00:45.440 and drug outside,

01:00:46.420 period.

01:00:46.840 Nothing but the truth

01:00:47.400 to help you.

01:00:47.720 To further that theory,

01:00:49.600 Dr. Marie Russell,

01:00:50.540 a retired California doctor

01:00:51.780 who's done research

01:00:52.640 on animal attacks,

01:00:53.760 she reviewed pictures

01:00:54.560 of O'Keefe's arm injuries.

01:00:56.280 I believe that these injuries...

01:00:57.380 So this is crazy right here

01:00:58.960 because how would he get

01:01:01.460 these types of scratches

01:01:02.300 by getting hit by a car?

01:01:04.560 These were sustained

01:01:05.400 by an animal,

01:01:07.080 possibly a large dog.

01:01:09.160 Defense attorneys

01:01:09.800 tell WBZ

01:01:10.620 they still plan to call

01:01:11.620 two accident reconstruction experts

01:01:13.380 and a different medical examiner,

01:01:15.140 but they think

01:01:15.600 they could rest their case

01:01:16.500 on Monday.

01:01:17.340 I think we're going

01:01:17.720 to be done on Monday.

01:01:18.440 Yeah, I think we're going

01:01:19.260 to be done on Monday.

01:01:19.760 I think we'll probably...

01:01:20.660 Does that mean closing's Tuesday?

01:01:21.820 I think closing on Tuesday

01:01:22.980 and then we'll charge the jurors

01:01:23.820 and they'll have it by

01:01:24.460 maybe end of the day Tuesday.

01:01:26.100 And court is expected

01:01:27.080 to be five full days next week.

01:01:29.180 Though, if defense attorneys

01:01:30.200 wrap up when they say

01:01:30.980 they're going to,

01:01:31.780 several of those days

01:01:32.640 could be for jury deliberations.

01:01:34.520 Thank you, I'm with that.

01:01:35.500 Defense rests.

01:01:36.660 29 days of testimony,

01:01:38.460 74 total witnesses,

01:01:40.100 and Karen Reed's murder trial

01:01:41.320 is almost in the hands

01:01:42.340 of the jury.

01:01:44.500 The sea of people here

01:01:45.880 to support the defendant

01:01:46.940 increased five-fold Monday

01:01:48.540 as the case wrapped up.

01:01:49.640 Where's our character?

01:01:50.600 That crowd swarming Reed

01:01:52.160 and her team as they leave court.

01:01:53.880 How do you feel about

01:01:54.400 how the size of it...

01:01:55.160 She has like a lot of fans chat.

01:01:57.140 This crowd has grown.

01:01:58.620 Yeah, it's heartwarming.

01:02:00.040 The group comes from

01:02:01.060 all over the country,

01:02:02.060 wearing pink and believing

01:02:03.200 Reed is an innocent victim

01:02:04.320 of a cover-up,

01:02:05.260 framed for the murder

01:02:06.060 of her boyfriend,

01:02:06.840 Boston police officer

01:02:07.680 John O'Keefe.

01:02:08.800 Reed's lawyer spent

01:02:09.640 the final day of testimony

01:02:10.780 trying to disprove

01:02:12.140 prosecutor's theory

01:02:13.100 that she hit O'Keefe

01:02:14.120 with her car 0.77

01:02:14.640 and left him to die

01:02:15.480 in the snow.

01:02:16.600 It is not, no sir.

01:02:17.760 Two expert accident

01:02:18.620 reconstruction witnesses

01:02:19.460 testified for the defense.

01:02:20.720 They recreated multiple

01:02:21.860 versions of the accident

01:02:22.820 and say neither

01:02:23.680 the damage to Reed's Lexus

01:02:25.000 nor John O'Keefe's injuries

01:02:26.260 to his head and arm

01:02:27.100 are consistent

01:02:27.880 with a car crash.

01:02:28.980 It is not.

01:02:29.640 There you go.

01:02:30.820 Creating that reasonable doubt, chat.

01:02:32.600 No, sir.

01:02:33.840 Creating that reasonable doubt.

01:02:35.300 Your service is complete.

01:02:36.660 Yeah, chat,

01:02:37.060 she does have fans.

01:02:38.160 She actually does.

01:02:39.040 The Reeds will have to sit through...

01:02:40.100 Look, I'll show you guys.

01:02:41.960 Let me see if I can find it here.

01:02:43.820 Another trial

01:02:44.600 after the 12-person jury

01:02:46.060 of six men and six women

01:02:47.160 was unable to reach

01:02:48.200 a unanimous decision

01:02:49.020 in this one.

01:02:49.780 The deep division

01:02:50.480 is not due to a lack

01:02:51.500 of effort or diligence

01:02:52.300 but rather a sincere adherence

01:02:54.280 to our individual principles

01:02:55.580 and moral convictions.

01:02:57.520 To continue to deliberate

01:02:58.640 would be...

01:02:59.420 Attorney's office

01:03:00.100 releasing this statement

01:03:01.060 immediately after

01:03:01.920 saying we thank the O'Keefe family

01:03:03.580 for their commitment

01:03:04.160 and dedication

01:03:04.660 to this long process.

01:03:05.580 They maintained sight

01:03:06.620 of the true core of this case

01:03:07.720 to find justice for John O'Keefe

01:03:09.200 saying the Commonwealth

01:03:10.360 intends to retry this case.

01:03:12.180 The Commonwealth

01:03:12.620 did their worst.

01:03:13.800 Yeah, they're not going to

01:03:14.800 give up on a case

01:03:15.660 like this big.

01:03:16.620 Just like with YNW Mellie, 0.57

01:03:17.800 they're retrying him as well.

01:03:18.980 74 witnesses

01:03:19.940 and no closure

01:03:20.940 for those involved.

01:03:22.180 Karen Reed and her lawyers

01:03:23.120 hugged her family

01:03:23.900 before they exited court

01:03:25.020 just briefly addressing

01:03:26.200 reporters outside.

01:03:27.340 I want to send a message

01:03:28.100 to all of her supporters

01:03:29.320 out there.

01:03:30.240 Your support was invaluable.

01:03:32.420 Hold on one sec.

01:03:36.800 And I think she did

01:03:37.640 a documentary on this

01:03:38.500 as well, chat.

01:03:40.020 Which, let me see

01:03:40.620 if I can find it for you guys.

01:03:43.420 I'm a Boston kid,

01:03:44.680 but I'll repeat what he said,

01:03:46.040 which is,

01:03:46.440 we ain't got no quit.

01:03:53.720 I'll find a few images.

01:03:55.540 Oh, here we go.

01:03:57.360 It's been a stormy start

01:03:58.240 to the holiday week.

01:04:02.160 This is like a documentary

01:04:03.080 she's doing,

01:04:03.560 which I think they're going

01:04:04.400 to attack her on this

01:04:05.260 as well, chat.

01:04:05.860 on the retrial.

01:04:09.520 Here's a doc.

01:04:11.960 Karen Reed is accused

01:04:13.120 of hitting John O'Keefe

01:04:14.120 with her SUV 0.99

01:04:14.840 and leaving him

01:04:16.220 to die in the snow.

01:04:17.260 Their relationship

01:04:17.940 was not a happy one.

01:04:19.820 Not a single witness

01:04:21.160 actually saw this happen.

01:04:23.320 There's a whole other

01:04:24.000 side of the story.

01:04:24.920 This is funny,

01:04:25.740 Ms. Reed.

01:04:26.200 Y'all don't believe me

01:04:26.940 that she got fans.

01:04:27.600 Y'all see that?

01:04:28.180 You got her guilty already.

01:04:29.340 So, did you

01:04:33.220 drive your car

01:04:34.320 into John?

01:04:37.560 Doing this film

01:04:38.440 is my testimony.

01:04:40.400 I want to say

01:04:41.380 what happened

01:04:42.160 exactly

01:04:42.980 as it happened.

01:04:45.800 John was

01:04:46.160 a Boston police officer.

01:04:47.720 We went to the bar

01:04:48.560 with a bunch of cops.

01:04:50.040 Jen McCabe

01:04:50.480 invited us

01:04:51.300 to the...

01:04:52.380 And just so you guys know,

01:04:54.120 um,

01:04:55.500 she did not take

01:04:57.020 the stand in her trial.

01:04:57.800 The Alberts.

01:05:02.300 Last I ever talked to him

01:05:03.660 when he got out of my car

01:05:04.640 at Brian Alberts' house.

01:05:06.080 And that is where

01:05:06.800 all the different stories

01:05:08.220 come from.

01:05:11.240 Everybody liked Karen.

01:05:12.700 And everything changed.

01:05:16.420 He was found dead.

01:05:17.760 There's his body right here

01:05:18.560 like I showed you guys before.

01:05:20.320 Literally right here.

01:05:24.040 Pretty much was found

01:05:25.020 right here.

01:05:27.800 On the lawn

01:05:31.680 of another

01:05:32.300 police officer.

01:05:33.660 This is one of their own.

01:05:35.440 And that raises

01:05:36.300 the stakes.

01:05:38.080 Miss Reed

01:05:38.640 stated that she hit him

01:05:40.020 three times.

01:05:41.060 I hit him. 0.95

01:05:41.900 I hit him. 0.99

01:05:42.740 I hit him.

01:05:43.440 That statement doesn't appear

01:05:44.540 on any of the tapes.

01:05:46.080 They were shot.

01:05:47.320 I am not on trial.

01:05:48.520 I am a witness.

01:05:50.300 It's impossible

01:05:51.300 to have any sympathy.

01:05:52.980 They're all lying.

01:05:54.480 She'd smile or laugh.

01:05:56.060 She's posing for... 1.00

01:05:57.180 See all those people

01:05:57.860 standing outside?

01:05:58.720 Her behavior 0.89

01:06:00.680 in conjunction

01:06:01.460 with the hard evidence

01:06:02.540 points in one direction.

01:06:04.820 DNA evidence

01:06:05.460 placed parts of John

01:06:06.880 on Karen.

01:06:08.020 The hair.

01:06:08.880 It's car.

01:06:09.460 Feels like I'm in a bad dream.

01:06:12.020 This can't be real.

01:06:15.260 She was angry.

01:06:16.020 This is the surveillance footage

01:06:17.660 from them at the bar.

01:06:20.060 You've been drinking. 1.00

01:06:20.840 I f***ing hate you. 1.00

01:06:22.420 That's the voicemail 0.99

01:06:23.180 I told you guys about before

01:06:24.300 where they, you know,

01:06:26.020 that showed that they had

01:06:26.720 animosity towards each other.

01:06:28.280 How many calls?

01:06:29.520 There was over 50. 0.99

01:06:30.440 Get what the f***ing got you. 0.98

01:06:31.760 Is that crazy? 0.99

01:06:32.960 What did you...

01:06:33.560 Hold on.

01:06:34.140 Let's go back real quick.

01:06:35.020 Break that down.

01:06:35.740 How many calls?

01:06:36.660 There was over 50. 0.99

01:06:37.600 Get what the f***ing got you. 0.98

01:06:39.580 Is that crazy? 0.98

01:06:39.920 Okay, this is the investigator,

01:06:42.880 Trooper Proctor. 0.50

01:06:44.480 He says, see how crazy she is? 0.94

01:06:47.420 And then here's, I think, 0.89

01:06:48.220 Kansas Police Officer and Proctor.

01:06:49.320 Proctor was the lead investigator

01:06:50.380 for the state police.

01:06:51.080 The state police obviously

01:06:51.740 took this case

01:06:52.360 because of the notoriety

01:06:54.000 and how big it was.

01:06:54.880 Also, because Canton's

01:06:56.220 kind of a small town,

01:06:58.120 they ended up taking it.

01:06:59.840 But he knew these people

01:07:00.820 because all the cops

01:07:01.860 know each other in town

01:07:02.540 a lot of the times.

01:07:04.400 What did you text about

01:07:05.960 going through Karen Reed's phone?

01:07:08.200 No news so far. 1.00

01:07:09.920 Nigga retarded, bro. 1.00

01:07:17.020 God damn. 1.00

01:07:21.180 Because, and the context, 0.99

01:07:22.820 just so you guys understand

01:07:23.500 the context here.

01:07:24.140 Basically, he was going

01:07:24.880 through the phone, right?

01:07:26.340 And he was texting

01:07:27.460 with his buddies

01:07:28.060 on his personal phone

01:07:29.160 when this happened.

01:07:30.380 And what ended up going down was

01:07:32.060 as he was searching the phone,

01:07:34.880 making jokes,

01:07:36.140 he said, oh yeah,

01:07:36.860 no news so far.

01:07:38.440 Right?

01:07:38.660 So, obviously,

01:07:40.140 that looks terrible though

01:07:40.880 because his personal text messages

01:07:42.800 got put into the trial,

01:07:45.820 okay,

01:07:47.160 for the defense.

01:07:49.840 Okay?

01:07:50.300 And the reason why

01:07:50.880 the defense was able to get it,

01:07:52.020 they got it from the FBI.

01:07:53.360 And the reason why

01:07:54.120 they got it from the FBI

01:07:54.840 is because the FBI

01:07:55.580 did their own independent

01:07:56.680 investigation on this

01:07:57.700 situation as well.

01:07:58.480 So, that is how

01:08:00.480 these text messages

01:08:01.080 became available

01:08:01.780 to the defense.

01:08:04.740 Right?

01:08:05.160 Because their theory,

01:08:07.080 remember,

01:08:07.440 the defense's theory, guys,

01:08:08.660 centers around a conspiracy

01:08:10.180 and a cover-up.

01:08:11.760 So, in order for them

01:08:12.620 to have that theory,

01:08:14.560 they need to be able

01:08:15.400 to get the, you know,

01:08:17.920 the information

01:08:19.180 that they need.

01:08:19.800 And in this case,

01:08:20.500 it was the lead trooper's phone.

01:08:23.080 Now, let's be honest here. 1.00

01:08:24.920 Him making stupid jokes like this 1.00

01:08:26.200 with guys at the state police 1.00

01:08:27.540 as he's going through her phone?

01:08:28.660 Does that really mean

01:08:29.660 that the investigation

01:08:30.360 is corrupted?

01:08:31.520 No.

01:08:31.840 People make jokes 1.00

01:08:32.460 and say dumb shit all the time. 1.00

01:08:33.960 But, 1.00

01:08:34.620 it looks really bad

01:08:36.080 for that to be in a jury trial

01:08:37.620 like this with a female defendant. 0.99

01:08:39.220 Really fucking bad. 0.99

01:08:40.440 Falcon Punch! 0.99

01:08:42.860 There were gasps.

01:08:44.040 One of the most uncomfortable moments

01:08:45.940 of this entire trial.

01:08:47.220 Shame on you, sir.

01:08:48.360 Please!

01:08:49.980 And he ended up getting fired.

01:08:52.540 So, Trooper Proctor got fired

01:08:53.800 a couple of days

01:08:56.020 after the jury was hung.

01:08:59.280 One's to feature me. 0.68

01:09:00.360 She was the happiest murderer. 0.80

01:09:01.960 Yeah, bro. 0.96

01:09:02.280 See all the people

01:09:02.700 lining in front of the courthouse? 1.00

01:09:03.760 Cameras and shit? 1.00

01:09:04.500 In America, 1.00

01:09:05.820 you're either 1.00

01:09:06.460 fucking celebrity. 1.00

01:09:07.880 Pro Karen Reed 1.00

01:09:08.920 or you are pro police.

01:09:11.780 It's become a civil war.

01:09:14.500 This justice system

01:09:15.660 will never be the same

01:09:17.160 after this.

01:09:18.420 Bros did a whole documentary 1.00

01:09:19.440 on this shit, bro. 1.00

01:09:20.780 Okay. 1.00

01:09:21.260 So, now you guys kind of know.

01:09:22.340 So, let's recap real quick, right?

01:09:24.860 Let's recap.

01:09:27.020 Before I do that,

01:09:28.260 let me read some of these chats first.

01:09:30.760 Let's see here.

01:09:31.460 We got Mr. Keeping It Real.

01:09:33.840 We read that one before.

01:09:35.800 J.R. from Dallas.

01:09:36.720 4K, 4 days, 4 weeks,

01:09:38.320 and now it's been 4 months.

01:09:39.180 If I leave it to Karen Reed case,

01:09:40.340 tell us what you know, Myron.

01:09:41.260 Tell us what are you hiding.

01:09:42.240 Okay, bro.

01:09:42.700 I don't know anything.

01:09:43.660 I've been here in Massachusetts

01:09:44.360 and Miami the whole time.

01:09:45.840 Anyway, I'm 26 with a 680 credit score.

01:09:47.880 Is that good?

01:09:49.160 Get up to 700, bro.

01:09:50.620 That's when you're able

01:09:51.540 to get opportunities.

01:09:52.740 680?

01:09:53.560 Like, yeah, you can apply 0.98

01:09:54.300 for credit cards and shit, 0.99

01:09:55.320 but it won't be as good. 0.98

01:09:59.060 It will not be as good.

01:10:00.440 Alexia says, 0.99

01:10:01.020 with six to seven tabs

01:10:01.820 like connected,

01:10:02.840 how we, via Israel,

01:10:04.160 funded the Iran-Iraq war

01:10:05.220 while gathering Iraq intel

01:10:06.820 behind their back

01:10:07.580 while funding Saddam,

01:10:09.000 made money with the recession

01:10:10.060 it caused and printed more money.

01:10:11.220 Matt Murdoch says,

01:10:17.780 as soon as someone

01:10:18.780 makes a book or documentary,

01:10:19.840 the lying meter goes over 9,000.

01:10:21.780 Yeah, yeah,

01:10:22.320 now you have a financial incentive

01:10:23.900 to do it, bro.

01:10:25.480 So, okay.

01:10:26.960 So, on the prison,

01:10:28.180 and I wrote this stuff,

01:10:29.320 I made a note of this stuff.

01:10:30.700 So, on the prosecution side, guys,

01:10:32.800 right,

01:10:33.220 they have

01:10:33.780 broken taillight and DNA, okay?

01:10:37.180 Prosecutors presented evidence

01:10:38.220 of a broken taillight

01:10:38.880 from the Reed SUV

01:10:39.720 as well as the hair.

01:10:40.480 Then, glass fragments,

01:10:42.040 a shattered drinking glass

01:10:43.200 was found at the scene

01:10:44.000 and pieces of glass

01:10:44.860 were recovered

01:10:45.400 from Reed's SUV bumper.

01:10:47.060 Then, the vehicle data

01:10:47.980 that shows that the vehicle

01:10:49.180 did make a three-point turn.

01:10:51.060 Then, O'Keefe's injuries

01:10:54.380 and cause of death.

01:10:56.240 One of the medical examiners

01:10:57.180 testified that O'Keefe's

01:10:58.220 cause of death

01:10:58.620 was blunt impact injuries

01:10:59.940 of head and hyperthermia.

01:11:01.620 Remember, guys,

01:11:02.040 it was freezing out that day

01:11:03.180 when he was out there

01:11:04.500 in the snow.

01:11:05.520 And there were scrapes

01:11:06.320 on his right arm

01:11:07.000 were noted

01:11:07.660 but attributed to the collision

01:11:08.720 rather than other causes, right?

01:11:10.180 So, the prosecution's

01:11:11.660 medical examiner

01:11:12.520 doesn't go over

01:11:13.820 the potential of it

01:11:14.960 being a dog.

01:11:15.560 Rather, they say

01:11:16.000 it scratches from him

01:11:17.000 getting hit.

01:11:20.720 Then, there's

01:11:21.500 digital and forensic evidence.

01:11:23.300 O'Keefe's iPhone data.

01:11:24.700 Basically, data from

01:11:25.400 O'Keefe's phone

01:11:25.840 analyzed by

01:11:26.400 digital forensic examiner

01:11:27.360 Ian Whiffen

01:11:28.120 showed no significant movement

01:11:29.360 from the flagpole era

01:11:30.300 where his body was found.

01:11:32.040 Right?

01:11:32.340 This area right here.

01:11:34.320 Right?

01:11:38.740 And this is to dispute

01:11:40.160 the defense's theory

01:11:41.080 that he went inside

01:11:41.980 and got beat up.

01:11:44.360 Right?

01:11:44.740 Then they got

01:11:45.360 Jennifer McCabe's

01:11:46.440 Google search.

01:11:47.440 Right?

01:11:47.620 And the prosecutors

01:11:48.000 present evidence

01:11:48.620 that Jennifer McCabe

01:11:49.300 O'Keefe went and searched

01:11:49.940 how long to die in cold

01:11:51.040 after O'Keefe's body

01:11:52.200 was found.

01:11:53.100 Not before.

01:11:54.260 As the defense alleges.

01:11:55.880 Right?

01:11:56.100 And then the witness testimony

01:12:00.260 obviously you guys

01:12:01.020 the government had a bunch 1.00

01:12:02.780 of fucking witnesses. 1.00

01:12:04.880 And then next was 1.00

01:12:05.520 obviously her public statements.

01:12:07.040 Her saying

01:12:07.600 I hit him 0.59

01:12:09.800 I hit him

01:12:10.240 as witnessed by

01:12:11.280 multiple first responders

01:12:12.480 firefighters, cops, etc.

01:12:13.800 saying this.

01:12:14.800 Right?

01:12:15.040 Allegedly.

01:12:23.200 And then the motive

01:12:24.080 and the relationship dynamics

01:12:25.000 because we know that

01:12:25.880 obviously

01:12:26.420 Karen and O'Keefe

01:12:29.360 had issues.

01:12:31.280 And then the defense

01:12:32.340 the taillight damage

01:12:33.880 Oh, another big one too

01:12:36.640 also guys

01:12:37.180 that I want to let you guys know

01:12:38.200 why the

01:12:40.180 why the prosecution

01:12:42.000 why the defense

01:12:42.780 thinks that this theory

01:12:43.900 according to them

01:12:45.120 O'Keefe's Apple Watch

01:12:46.660 showed that he had

01:12:47.480 climbed three sets of stairs

01:12:49.600 okay?

01:12:51.580 Before dying

01:12:52.440 and with like

01:12:54.280 the pedometer in his watch.

01:12:55.880 That aligns with their theory

01:12:57.440 that he did in fact

01:12:58.260 go in the house

01:12:58.900 and then at some point

01:12:59.840 was attacked

01:13:01.160 and then killed.

01:13:02.580 That is one of the things 0.94

01:13:03.520 that they use also

01:13:04.360 to justify and say

01:13:05.420 and then also the

01:13:06.380 the scratches you guys saw

01:13:08.440 with the video

01:13:09.120 that a dog bit him.

01:13:12.360 Let me see here.

01:13:13.200 What else?

01:13:13.560 Also, they said that

01:13:19.420 they was tampering

01:13:19.960 with a Sally Port video

01:13:21.120 of Reed's SUV

01:13:21.800 like you guys saw before.

01:13:24.080 They attacked

01:13:24.800 Trooper Proctor's

01:13:26.940 credibility.

01:13:29.500 The FBI

01:13:29.920 basically said

01:13:31.400 that the damage

01:13:32.900 to Reed's SUV

01:13:34.000 was inconsistent

01:13:34.640 with striking O'Keefe's body

01:13:35.800 and his injuries

01:13:36.740 did not align

01:13:37.220 with vehicle impact.

01:13:37.920 This came from the FBI.

01:13:39.460 So that's crazy

01:13:40.120 that the defense

01:13:41.340 was able to

01:13:42.040 to get that.

01:13:43.000 And then obviously

01:13:43.800 there's the dog attack theory

01:13:44.820 that I gave you guys before

01:13:45.720 where the scratches

01:13:47.560 on his body

01:13:48.480 were indicative

01:13:49.900 of potentially being attacked

01:13:50.880 and there was a German shepherd

01:13:52.040 in the house.

01:13:56.520 So it could go either way

01:13:58.120 as you guys can see here.

01:13:59.640 Okay, so

01:14:00.480 now that we kind of know

01:14:01.740 some of the big things

01:14:02.600 and there's more evidence

01:14:03.360 than that on both

01:14:04.000 the prosecution

01:14:04.420 and defense side

01:14:04.920 but these are some of the

01:14:05.640 this is some of the bigger

01:14:06.660 these are some of the bigger

01:14:10.060 pieces of evidence.

01:14:12.040 So let's go ahead

01:14:12.640 and go recap

01:14:14.140 now that we know

01:14:14.720 that what happened

01:14:15.160 in the first trial

01:14:15.760 and the facts

01:14:16.220 in the first trial

01:14:16.880 and how she basically

01:14:18.800 got off

01:14:19.260 let's go into

01:14:20.060 the retrial

01:14:21.260 week one

01:14:22.020 which I think

01:14:22.460 kicked off in April.

01:14:24.380 We are on the record

01:14:27.060 in the Karen Reed

01:14:27.960 murder retrial.

01:14:29.520 I'm your host

01:14:30.040 Cody Thomas

01:14:30.680 and I'm here to break down

01:14:31.980 week one's

01:14:33.020 biggest courtroom moments.

01:14:34.880 Karen Reed

01:14:35.320 who was accused

01:14:35.880 of killing her boyfriend

01:14:36.940 Boston police officer

01:14:38.180 John O'Keefe

01:14:39.000 is back in court

01:14:40.240 after her first trial

01:14:41.360 ended

01:14:41.780 and a mistrial.

01:14:43.080 We're going to get

01:14:43.920 right into day one

01:14:44.800 but first

01:14:45.340 let's get you caught up

01:14:46.640 on the case.

01:14:49.180 I'm declaring a mistrial

01:14:50.640 in this case.

01:14:52.140 Crazy.

01:14:53.180 After deliberating

01:14:54.300 in Dedham

01:14:54.780 over five days

01:14:56.140 a mistrial

01:14:57.300 in the case against

01:14:58.220 So what

01:14:58.680 it was like

01:14:59.120 eight weeks

01:14:59.700 two months

01:15:00.180 and then they had

01:15:00.700 a week of deliberation

01:15:01.800 and obviously

01:15:02.780 the jury was deadlocked.

01:15:04.060 Karen Reed

01:15:04.660 we will not

01:15:06.640 stop fighting.

01:15:07.860 We have no

01:15:08.360 Her defense attorney

01:15:09.120 is very good.

01:15:09.960 I watched some

01:15:10.360 of his cross-examination

01:15:11.340 last night

01:15:12.680 very good.

01:15:15.560 Reed is the

01:15:16.380 college professor

01:15:17.260 accused of killing

01:15:18.260 her Boston police officer

01:15:19.840 boyfriend

01:15:20.320 John O'Keefe

01:15:21.080 hitting him

01:15:22.720 with her SUV 0.99

01:15:23.520 after a night

01:15:24.560 of drinking.

01:15:26.580 Look at all the people 1.00

01:15:27.680 fucking lined up here 0.99

01:15:28.640 man for this trial 0.99

01:15:29.420 and so you guys know

01:15:30.640 they actually televised

01:15:31.360 this trial

01:15:31.660 because it's a state trial

01:15:32.480 so they can televise it.

01:15:33.660 She claims

01:15:37.100 she's being framed

01:15:38.080 in a massive

01:15:38.820 police cover-up

01:15:40.020 and that O'Keefe

01:15:41.120 was fatally beaten.

01:15:42.620 Also guys

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01:15:43.600 involved in the show

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01:15:49.020 as you guys know

01:15:49.760 to go ahead

01:15:51.500 and get involved

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01:15:56.200 and super chat

01:15:57.460 into the show

01:15:57.840 man.

01:15:58.700 Inside a fellow

01:15:59.640 officer's home

01:16:00.700 it's a case

01:16:01.920 that has divided

01:16:02.780 a community

01:16:03.600 we believe

01:16:04.620 in the past

01:16:05.200 for just

01:16:05.600 for John O'Keefe

01:16:06.560 The jury

01:16:07.280 of six men

01:16:08.140 and six women 0.71

01:16:08.960 visited the crime scene

01:16:10.760 and heard testimony

01:16:12.100 from 74 witnesses

01:16:13.940 during the nine-week trial

01:16:15.520 and all of a sudden

01:16:16.600 Karen said

01:16:17.220 there he is

01:16:17.820 there he is

01:16:18.460 let me the F 0.98

01:16:19.760 out of this car

01:16:20.480 and she started

01:16:21.200 kicking the door

01:16:22.040 I hit him 0.90

01:16:22.940 I hit him

01:16:23.740 she repeated

01:16:24.800 I hit him

01:16:26.160 and then she was

01:16:27.020 saying

01:16:27.440 did I hit him 0.59

01:16:28.200 could I have hit him

01:16:29.160 and then she proceeded

01:16:31.120 to say that she had

01:16:32.200 a cracked taillight

01:16:33.600 with no video

01:16:35.180 or eyewitnesses

01:16:36.760 the first trial

01:16:37.820 turned into a battle

01:16:38.880 of the experts

01:16:39.780 the vehicle

01:16:41.040 traveled up to

01:16:42.240 24 miles per hour

01:16:43.440 and approximately

01:16:44.320 62 feet

01:16:45.200 what if anything

01:16:46.160 occurred then

01:16:46.760 the right rear

01:16:49.220 of the Lexus

01:16:50.060 struck the pedestrian 0.99

01:16:51.260 John O'Keefe

01:16:52.020 that does not

01:16:53.360 look to me at all

01:16:54.300 remotely like an impact

01:16:55.740 from a motor vehicle

01:16:57.460 and you can see here

01:16:58.420 there's the difference

01:16:59.780 you know

01:17:00.200 of opinion here

01:17:01.000 we found a

01:17:02.340 google search

01:17:03.240 that happened

01:17:04.620 first of all

01:17:06.120 the search was

01:17:06.640 how long

01:17:07.500 to die in cold

01:17:08.540 and it happened

01:17:09.960 at or before

01:17:10.600 at 2 27 a.m

01:17:11.900 I'm of no doubt

01:17:13.200 that the only time

01:17:14.220 those two searches

01:17:15.220 were conducted

01:17:16.040 was at 6 23

01:17:17.120 and 6 24

01:17:18.100 on the morning

01:17:19.260 of the 29th

01:17:20.400 okay now

01:17:21.060 if it's early like that

01:17:22.120 that works out

01:17:22.880 and Karen reads the fence

01:17:24.000 because they found

01:17:25.100 the body around 6 a.m

01:17:26.160 so the cell bright guy

01:17:27.780 okay

01:17:28.420 let's look at this

01:17:29.400 right here

01:17:29.660 so I've talked to you

01:17:30.740 guys about what

01:17:31.220 cell bright is

01:17:31.860 right

01:17:32.580 cell bright

01:17:33.180 okay

01:17:34.000 is a

01:17:35.160 software

01:17:36.520 that law enforcement

01:17:37.420 uses to extract

01:17:38.580 data from a phone

01:17:39.360 okay

01:17:40.460 it's actually

01:17:41.720 Israeli by the way

01:17:42.540 yeah I know

01:17:43.480 seriously

01:17:43.980 but um

01:17:45.960 here let me go ahead

01:17:47.000 and show you guys

01:17:47.680 this

01:17:47.880 on my motor vehicle

01:17:48.740 so

01:17:50.380 because this is

01:17:51.460 very very important

01:17:52.320 right

01:17:57.640 so

01:17:58.000 if the

01:17:58.600 digital forensics

01:17:59.820 company

01:18:00.160 specializing

01:18:00.660 solutions

01:18:01.000 solutions

01:18:01.020 for law enforcement

01:18:01.560 enterprise

01:18:01.880 clients

01:18:02.260 they provide

01:18:02.660 tools and services

01:18:03.200 to collect

01:18:03.560 analyze

01:18:03.900 and manage

01:18:04.240 digital

01:18:04.500 data

01:18:05.220 from various

01:18:06.180 sources

01:18:06.460 now when I was on a job

01:18:07.240 guys we would use

01:18:07.840 the cell bright

01:18:08.260 so this guy right here

01:18:09.620 Ian Whiffen

01:18:10.740 right

01:18:11.180 whenever you

01:18:13.700 want to go ahead

01:18:14.760 and get

01:18:15.060 authenticate evidence

01:18:16.520 you're going to bring

01:18:17.040 someone in

01:18:17.620 that basically

01:18:19.560 understands

01:18:20.220 the tool that's

01:18:21.140 being used

01:18:21.600 so in this case

01:18:22.820 since the text messages

01:18:24.340 and the time they were sent

01:18:25.320 is extremely important

01:18:26.540 okay

01:18:27.400 they brought in

01:18:28.600 this guy

01:18:29.060 to say

01:18:29.900 look man

01:18:30.360 we got

01:18:30.680 different times

01:18:31.360 one instance

01:18:32.540 we see a

01:18:32.980 227 a.m.

01:18:33.980 or around 2 a.m.

01:18:35.220 four hours before the body's found

01:18:36.340 then another instance

01:18:37.360 we see that it's 6 a.m.

01:18:38.620 which one is it

01:18:39.420 they brought him in

01:18:40.540 to basically clarify

01:18:41.480 and he says

01:18:42.000 look there's no doubt

01:18:42.960 that it was at 6

01:18:43.760 whatever it was

01:18:45.020 right

01:18:45.360 because you guys can see

01:18:45.940 her look 0.93

01:18:46.260 623 a.m.

01:18:49.720 UTC

01:18:50.040 and then again

01:18:51.080 before

01:18:51.640 227 a.m.

01:18:53.860 UTC

01:18:54.180 now here's the other thing

01:18:55.400 too that gets confusing

01:18:56.120 when you use a cell bright

01:18:56.900 guys

01:18:57.120 they use UTC time

01:18:58.880 okay guys

01:19:00.200 so that sometimes

01:19:01.120 becomes a little bit

01:19:01.920 harder to read

01:19:02.540 when you're going

01:19:04.520 through cell bright

01:19:05.060 because it pulls

01:19:06.220 all the data out

01:19:06.900 in a raw format

01:19:07.620 and then you have to

01:19:09.220 kind of go through

01:19:09.680 and analyze it

01:19:10.340 and let me see this

01:19:12.000 227 a.m.

01:19:13.980 to die in question

01:19:15.000 that happened

01:19:16.340 first of all

01:19:17.780 the search was

01:19:18.300 how's long

01:19:19.160 to die in cold

01:19:20.220 and it happened

01:19:21.640 at or before

01:19:22.280 227 a.m.

01:19:24.160 I'm of no doubt

01:19:24.880 that the only time

01:19:25.900 those two searches

01:19:26.900 were conducted

01:19:27.720 was at 623

01:19:28.800 and 624

01:19:29.780 okay

01:19:30.740 so that's what he's saying

01:19:31.900 and his name

01:19:33.900 was this guy's name again

01:19:35.060 something with time

01:19:35.760 those

01:19:36.060 Ian Wiffen

01:19:36.640 let's look this guy up

01:19:37.340 real quick

01:19:37.640 he's probably a representative

01:19:38.640 John O'Keefe

01:19:39.240 he's probably like the guy

01:19:40.720 that cell bright sends

01:19:41.840 to testify in cases

01:19:42.960 like this

01:19:43.520 yeah he's a cell bright expert

01:19:49.340 full testimony

01:19:50.100 Karen Reed

01:19:50.540 yeah

01:19:51.200 so a lot of the times

01:19:53.600 these law enforcement companies

01:19:54.660 they'll have someone

01:19:55.420 on standby

01:19:56.000 and they'll go

01:19:57.660 and testify

01:19:58.120 on behalf of the company

01:19:59.240 and Ian Wiffen

01:20:00.700 he's probably

01:20:01.540 that guy

01:20:02.200 so yeah

01:20:07.420 digital forensic examiner

01:20:08.620 was sub right

01:20:09.020 he testified

01:20:09.380 on Karen Reed's

01:20:09.940 second murder trial

01:20:11.140 today

01:20:11.340 Monday April 28th

01:20:12.220 about his analysis

01:20:12.940 of cell phones

01:20:13.520 and the investigation

01:20:14.260 including

01:20:14.540 Jim McCabe's

01:20:15.040 murder victim

01:20:15.580 John O'Keefe

01:20:16.040 so

01:20:16.880 and then

01:20:21.380 they have the full testimony here 0.99

01:20:22.680 holy shit 1.00

01:20:24.740 they put this nigga 1.00

01:20:25.300 on the stand 0.99

01:20:25.640 for six hours

01:20:26.400 holy

01:20:27.360 so they brought him back

01:20:31.420 because you can see

01:20:33.380 look

01:20:33.640 he's dressed differently

01:20:34.460 here than before

01:20:35.140 so this must have been

01:20:35.960 the

01:20:36.160 this was the

01:20:37.780 where the hell

01:20:39.240 did I put it

01:20:39.740 this was the first trial

01:20:41.420 and it looks like

01:20:43.380 he came back

01:20:43.720 for the second trial

01:20:44.440 two searches

01:20:46.500 were conducted

01:20:47.340 it was at 623

01:20:48.400 and 624

01:20:49.400 and this is obviously

01:20:50.520 very important guys

01:20:51.380 because

01:20:51.780 for the state

01:20:53.340 and for the defense

01:20:54.180 this kind of makes

01:20:56.180 the situation

01:20:56.680 did she text before

01:20:57.580 or after

01:20:58.580 saying how long to die

01:20:59.540 on the morning

01:21:00.360 of the 29th

01:21:01.080 the defense

01:21:02.140 also raised questions

01:21:03.680 about the police

01:21:04.760 investigation

01:21:05.580 had you ever used

01:21:07.620 a leaf blower

01:21:08.240 in a crime scene

01:21:09.920 preservation

01:21:10.480 effort

01:21:11.620 first time

01:21:12.640 not once

01:21:13.780 did you mention

01:21:15.120 that this video

01:21:16.720 now here

01:21:17.580 this is important

01:21:18.120 as well

01:21:18.460 this is the

01:21:19.220 when they were

01:21:20.340 inventorying the car

01:21:21.240 when the cops were

01:21:22.080 is actually

01:21:23.640 completely inverted

01:21:25.160 I did not know

01:21:26.360 lead investigator

01:21:28.340 trooper Michael Proctor

01:21:29.580 also came under fire

01:21:31.220 she's a whack job 1.00

01:21:32.880 he's reading back

01:21:34.800 his text messages

01:21:35.480 about her 1.00

01:21:36.200 no ass 0.99

01:21:38.400 now 0.99

01:21:39.700 Reed faces

01:21:40.620 a new jury

01:21:41.700 and news

01:21:42.660 wait did this 1.00

01:21:43.100 nigga say no ass 1.00

01:21:43.840 bruh 1.00

01:21:44.700 no ass 0.99

01:21:45.460 now Reed faces 0.99

01:21:47.760 you must watch

01:21:48.680 Fresh Affair 1.00

01:21:49.560 or some shit bro 1.00

01:21:50.220 that's that fresh quote 1.00

01:21:51.700 Falcon Punch

01:21:53.840 a new jury

01:21:55.540 W Trooper

01:21:56.320 jury

01:21:56.980 and new special

01:21:58.300 prosecutor

01:21:58.980 Hank Brennan

01:21:59.680 plans to introduce

01:22:00.660 new evidence

01:22:01.700 including

01:22:02.400 molds made

01:22:03.540 of Chloe's mouth

01:22:04.620 Chloe is the

01:22:05.720 German

01:22:05.960 so that's crazy

01:22:07.620 that they took

01:22:08.160 the like

01:22:09.040 the teeth marks

01:22:10.240 of a dog

01:22:10.840 Shepard owned

01:22:12.020 by the Albert family

01:22:13.180 during the night

01:22:14.040 in question

01:22:14.680 those wounds

01:22:16.220 were inflicted

01:22:17.240 by a dog attack

01:22:19.820 but they actually

01:22:21.760 got rid

01:22:22.780 of the dog

01:22:23.680 altogether

01:22:24.340 do you know

01:22:25.440 yeah so after

01:22:26.380 the case happened

01:22:27.080 guys

01:22:27.420 they rehomed

01:22:28.560 the dog

01:22:29.060 they you know

01:22:30.680 basically gave him

01:22:31.580 to somebody else

01:22:32.120 and then also

01:22:32.780 they sold the house

01:22:34.160 they sold the house

01:22:36.160 and got out of there

01:22:37.400 that Chloe exists

01:22:38.880 that we provided

01:22:40.060 notice to you

01:22:40.820 that we went up

01:22:42.160 and saw Chloe

01:22:42.880 and took molds

01:22:43.820 new evidence

01:22:45.640 could also include

01:22:46.680 new testing

01:22:47.280 of the SUV's

01:22:48.380 telemetric system

01:22:49.540 new video

01:22:50.480 of Brian Higgins

01:22:51.560 at Canton PD

01:22:52.560 and Reed's

01:22:53.740 prior interviews

01:22:54.780 including

01:22:55.440 with ABC News

01:22:56.880 yep now they're

01:22:58.500 going to use

01:22:58.840 that against her

01:22:59.380 because remember

01:22:59.860 guys after

01:23:00.500 the mistrial

01:23:01.420 she went ahead

01:23:01.900 and did a little

01:23:02.340 bit of a press run

01:23:03.160 and they're

01:23:05.880 absolutely going

01:23:06.460 to use

01:23:06.820 these interviews

01:23:08.600 that she gave

01:23:09.120 with all these

01:23:09.580 television networks

01:23:10.240 against her

01:23:10.920 snowing

01:23:12.700 John has no coat

01:23:13.960 on

01:23:14.360 it's windy

01:23:15.520 so drop him off

01:23:16.960 he goes up the driveway

01:23:18.060 and approaches

01:23:18.880 the side door

01:23:19.740 the changes

01:23:20.900 might signal

01:23:21.660 a different defense

01:23:22.820 and possibly

01:23:23.860 the defendant

01:23:24.580 taking the stand

01:23:25.900 and you also

01:23:27.180 mentioned to the

01:23:27.920 media that

01:23:28.540 there are some

01:23:29.780 things that you

01:23:30.200 wish that you

01:23:30.680 could clarify

01:23:31.800 is there anything

01:23:32.920 anything

01:23:33.340 look at all those

01:23:34.180 people though

01:23:34.720 clarified one day

01:23:35.900 Matt

01:23:36.220 they'll be clarified

01:23:37.600 might not be live

01:23:39.000 but it will be

01:23:39.960 day one kicked off

01:23:42.300 with fiery opening

01:23:43.320 statements

01:23:43.960 prosecutor Hank

01:23:45.100 Brennan says

01:23:45.680 Reed hit O'Keefe

01:23:46.740 with her SUV 0.99

01:23:47.720 in a drunken fight

01:23:48.920 and left him

01:23:49.800 to die in the snow

01:23:50.800 citing phone data

01:23:51.900 and Reed's own words

01:23:53.800 but the defense

01:23:54.840 has a very different

01:23:55.900 story

01:23:56.380 Alan Jackson says

01:23:57.740 this is a cover up

01:23:59.200 blaming corrupt cops

01:24:00.420 and even suggesting

01:24:01.640 O'Keefe was mauled

01:24:02.940 by a dog

01:24:03.980 and his body

01:24:04.700 moved

01:24:05.300 a first responder

01:24:06.600 was the first

01:24:07.180 to take the stand

01:24:08.780 recalling

01:24:09.280 now I'll be honest

01:24:09.960 with you guys

01:24:10.520 if the guys

01:24:13.280 in the house

01:24:13.880 actually did 1.00

01:24:14.480 whoop his ass 0.99

01:24:15.100 it's a little weird 0.99

01:24:18.280 and a little bit

01:24:18.780 of a stretch

01:24:19.220 that they would

01:24:19.560 take the body

01:24:20.080 and just put him

01:24:20.540 outside

01:24:20.960 right

01:24:22.360 a couple of these

01:24:24.200 guys are like

01:24:24.620 trained investigators

01:24:25.340 that were in the house

01:24:26.180 so why would they

01:24:27.380 go ahead 1.00

01:24:28.400 and whoop his ass 1.00

01:24:30.300 right 0.99

01:24:31.460 he gets banned

01:24:32.260 by the dog

01:24:32.680 and just leave him 0.91

01:24:33.160 there

01:24:33.420 and depend

01:24:37.980 on Karen Reed

01:24:38.820 to come back

01:24:39.260 so they can put

01:24:39.700 the blame on her

01:24:40.260 that's something

01:24:40.940 that's a bit

01:24:41.320 far fetched

01:24:42.300 being honest with y'all

01:24:43.100 with the defensive

01:24:44.200 theory

01:24:44.520 but again

01:24:45.500 there's a lot

01:24:47.620 of evidence

01:24:47.880 on this thing

01:24:48.360 so you know

01:24:49.460 like I said before

01:24:50.260 it's not about

01:24:50.880 what happened

01:24:51.700 it's about

01:24:52.020 what can you

01:24:52.460 what can you prove

01:24:53.220 so that's what

01:24:55.960 it really comes down

01:24:56.660 to

01:24:57.940 Reed saying

01:25:03.560 I hit him

01:25:04.700 three times

01:25:05.940 then John O'Keefe's

01:25:07.300 close friend

01:25:07.880 Kerry Roberts

01:25:08.640 described the

01:25:09.360 frantic search

01:25:10.180 that ended

01:25:11.100 with O'Keefe's

01:25:11.920 body in the snow

01:25:13.160 let's take a look

01:25:14.480 so now they're

01:25:24.040 going to go

01:25:24.300 into the state's

01:25:24.980 official opening

01:25:25.780 statement

01:25:26.040 we'll play a little

01:25:26.500 bit of this

01:25:26.920 at 6.04 a.m.

01:25:30.940 on January 29

01:25:32.060 2022

01:25:32.760 the alarm bell

01:25:34.140 sounded

01:25:34.560 and you can't

01:25:35.140 fire the car

01:25:35.640 fire fire

01:25:37.060 paramet

01:25:37.600 Timothy not all

01:25:38.400 you with that

01:25:39.040 man

01:25:39.300 is the car

01:25:39.980 pulled up

01:25:40.320 the 34

01:25:40.740 fair view

01:25:41.200 the ambulance

01:25:41.780 stood at the

01:25:42.320 back

01:25:42.580 I won't play

01:25:43.300 he has a strong

01:25:43.940 Boston accent

01:25:44.520 so I'll just 1.00

01:25:44.900 play this shit 1.00

01:25:45.300 at normal speed 1.00

01:25:45.760 for you guys

01:25:46.300 the doors open

01:25:49.780 he could hear a woman

01:25:50.720 screaming and shrieking

01:25:51.960 now he wanted

01:25:52.720 any information

01:25:53.700 because when you're

01:25:54.540 trying to save

01:25:55.060 someone you want

01:25:55.680 to know

01:25:56.060 are they on

01:25:56.720 drugs medication

01:25:57.620 do they have

01:25:58.080 a heart condition

01:25:58.720 and he looked up

01:26:00.020 at Miss Reed

01:26:01.820 and he said

01:26:02.320 what happened

01:26:03.480 and you'll hear

01:26:05.480 her words

01:26:06.300 to a firefighter

01:26:08.020 not all

01:26:08.400 she said

01:26:09.000 I hit him

01:26:10.560 I hit him 0.98

01:26:12.180 I hit him 0.94

01:26:13.340 you will learn 0.57

01:26:14.380 that on January 29

01:26:16.100 2022

01:26:17.940 when the defendant

01:26:20.200 and Mr. O'Keefe

01:26:21.280 were in front of

01:26:21.820 34th Avenue Road

01:26:23.040 you will learn

01:26:23.920 that Mr. O'Keefe

01:26:25.020 got out of the car

01:26:26.160 and she stood

01:26:27.160 by the side of the road

01:26:28.300 after an argument

01:26:29.780 with the defendant

01:26:30.840 that argument

01:26:32.800 that anger

01:26:33.660 fueled by

01:26:34.360 heavy intoxication

01:26:35.680 in her SUV

01:26:37.300 drove away

01:26:38.780 she drove at least

01:26:40.160 35 feet away

01:26:41.240 argumently

01:26:42.220 over

01:26:42.580 it had ended

01:26:43.460 the event

01:26:44.260 put the left

01:26:45.520 to the reverse

01:26:46.380 put her foot 1.00

01:26:47.740 on the gas pedal

01:26:48.680 and began to press

01:26:49.860 not 25%

01:26:51.000 not 50%

01:26:52.300 up to 75%

01:26:54.660 itself

01:26:54.940 bro that's crazy 0.96

01:26:55.940 women can't drive 1.00

01:26:56.640 huh

01:26:56.860 or park

01:26:58.460 she clipped 0.91

01:27:00.000 John O'Keefe

01:27:00.940 he fell backwards

01:27:02.640 hit his head

01:27:04.400 broke his skull

01:27:06.460 and she simply

01:27:07.340 drove away

01:27:07.940 this man

01:27:08.860 who helped

01:27:09.640 a lifetime of help

01:27:11.260 was left

01:27:12.120 at the corner

01:27:13.280 of that yard

01:27:13.920 left to die

01:27:14.660 with no help

01:27:15.580 there was

01:27:23.460 no

01:27:24.220 collision

01:27:25.020 with John O'Keefe

01:27:26.340 there was

01:27:28.700 no collision

01:27:30.300 there was

01:27:32.320 no collision

01:27:32.980 you'll see

01:27:33.840 from the evidence

01:27:34.400 in this case

01:27:35.020 that this case

01:27:37.480 carries a malignancy

01:27:38.460 a cancer

01:27:39.280 that cannot

01:27:40.060 be cut out

01:27:40.880 a cancer

01:27:41.960 that cannot

01:27:42.860 be cured

01:27:43.560 and that cancer

01:27:44.540 has a name

01:27:45.100 his name

01:27:46.820 is Michael Proctor

01:27:47.520 he was the lead

01:27:48.520 investigator on the case

01:27:49.680 the case officer

01:27:50.980 the architect

01:27:51.880 of the entire prosecution

01:27:53.540 you'll learn

01:27:54.300 there's not a single

01:27:55.440 part of this case

01:27:56.340 folks

01:27:56.660 not a single part

01:27:57.900 that he didn't touch

01:27:59.180 that he didn't direct

01:28:00.280 that he didn't

01:28:01.160 orchestrate personally

01:28:02.360 he didn't care about

01:28:03.480 finding the truth

01:28:04.360 in his world

01:28:07.600 his priority

01:28:08.520 was to protect

01:28:09.820 the brotherhood

01:28:10.540 to protect

01:28:11.660 that blue wall

01:28:12.660 to protect

01:28:14.400 his friends

01:28:15.040 who were at

01:28:16.260 the Alberts house

01:28:16.880 that night

01:28:17.400 you'll also learn

01:28:18.480 after this incident

01:28:19.180 and within days

01:28:19.880 of one another

01:28:20.460 both Brian Higgins

01:28:21.540 and Brian Albert

01:28:22.220 both police officers

01:28:23.740 both trained

01:28:25.020 investigators

01:28:26.000 got rid of

01:28:28.840 their phones

01:28:29.360 and what else

01:28:30.720 you'll learn

01:28:31.180 Brian Albert

01:28:34.080 got rid of

01:28:34.680 shortly after

01:28:36.700 this incident

01:28:37.220 Brian Albert

01:28:37.680 got rid of

01:28:38.080 his house

01:28:38.560 the whole thing

01:28:39.740 just sold it

01:28:40.700 his childhood home

01:28:41.840 a home that had

01:28:42.340 been in the Albert

01:28:42.860 yeah see

01:28:43.720 and again

01:28:44.200 this is what

01:28:45.740 the defense

01:28:46.200 is gonna do

01:28:46.880 right

01:28:47.100 they're gonna

01:28:47.440 all they need

01:28:48.280 to do

01:28:48.480 is create

01:28:48.800 like

01:28:49.140 reasonable doubt

01:28:50.940 and this is

01:28:51.500 he's doing a

01:28:52.300 fantastic job

01:28:52.980 of creating

01:28:53.380 like

01:28:53.680 hey look man

01:28:54.760 like

01:28:56.380 the government

01:28:57.160 might have

01:28:57.560 this evidence

01:28:58.000 but look at

01:28:58.500 all this stuff

01:28:58.860 that's going on

01:28:59.640 where she might

01:29:01.640 not be culpable

01:29:02.200 and that's the

01:29:03.860 defense's job

01:29:04.500 it's not to prove

01:29:05.800 you innocent guys

01:29:06.440 it's to prove

01:29:07.020 you might be

01:29:07.700 innocent

01:29:08.020 and create

01:29:10.040 that reasonable

01:29:10.480 doubt

01:29:10.780 family for

01:29:11.700 generations

01:29:12.460 he literally

01:29:13.380 sold it

01:29:14.040 mere months

01:29:15.100 after this

01:29:15.660 incident

01:29:16.020 it's not that

01:29:17.860 the defense

01:29:18.420 wins

01:29:18.820 it's that

01:29:19.520 the prosecution

01:29:20.040 loses

01:29:20.560 anytime someone

01:29:21.260 is not found

01:29:21.760 guilty

01:29:22.080 the prosecution

01:29:23.020 lost the case

01:29:23.700 it's not that

01:29:24.100 the defense

01:29:24.520 won

01:29:24.740 because as the

01:29:26.200 defense

01:29:26.500 you are under

01:29:26.860 no obligation

01:29:27.540 to present

01:29:28.020 your own

01:29:28.260 witnesses

01:29:28.560 you're under

01:29:29.300 no obligation

01:29:29.900 to provide

01:29:31.020 any testimony

01:29:33.100 you don't have

01:29:34.020 to do anything

01:29:34.560 you're just

01:29:35.380 sitting there

01:29:35.780 to defend

01:29:36.220 against the

01:29:36.580 government

01:29:36.760 the government

01:29:37.120 or the state

01:29:38.240 in this case

01:29:38.620 the state

01:29:39.320 has to prove

01:29:39.800 everything

01:29:40.220 but this case

01:29:44.780 interestingly enough

01:29:45.720 you can see

01:29:46.160 that the defense

01:29:46.660 is actually

01:29:47.140 on the attack

01:29:47.700 on this

01:29:48.120 they're providing

01:29:49.440 their own

01:29:49.740 expert witnesses

01:29:50.360 they're providing

01:29:50.900 their own

01:29:51.340 theories

01:29:51.860 they're providing

01:29:52.380 their own

01:29:52.860 recollection

01:29:54.080 of the story

01:29:54.940 so it's not

01:29:57.000 and that's another

01:29:57.420 reason why this

01:29:57.920 case is so big

01:29:58.540 Chad

01:29:58.720 the reason why

01:29:59.120 this case

01:29:59.420 is so big

01:29:59.920 is because

01:30:00.680 most cases

01:30:02.120 the defense

01:30:03.080 is literally

01:30:03.640 just on the

01:30:04.220 defense

01:30:04.620 they're sitting

01:30:05.640 there just

01:30:05.960 trying to

01:30:06.500 take the

01:30:07.440 strikes

01:30:07.700 and keep

01:30:09.520 the defendant

01:30:09.880 from going

01:30:10.220 to jail

01:30:10.460 and try

01:30:10.660 to create

01:30:10.920 a little

01:30:11.180 bit of

01:30:11.560 reasonable

01:30:12.340 doubt

01:30:12.580 by attacking

01:30:13.220 the witnesses

01:30:14.900 from the state

01:30:15.680 or the government

01:30:16.160 but in this

01:30:16.880 situation

01:30:17.320 you're actually

01:30:17.880 seeing the

01:30:18.240 defense

01:30:18.580 take a more

01:30:19.400 aggressive

01:30:19.880 posture

01:30:20.440 and go

01:30:21.140 after

01:30:21.800 the witnesses

01:30:23.040 in the case

01:30:23.460 go after

01:30:24.380 the evidence

01:30:25.140 and then on

01:30:25.540 top of that

01:30:26.240 bring their

01:30:26.980 own experts

01:30:27.860 to attack

01:30:28.380 the government's

01:30:29.180 witnesses

01:30:29.480 so that's

01:30:31.580 why this

01:30:31.860 case is

01:30:32.160 so big

01:30:32.580 and then

01:30:33.060 the fact

01:30:33.320 that it

01:30:33.540 involves

01:30:33.920 a small

01:30:34.640 town

01:30:35.020 a bunch

01:30:35.340 of cops

01:30:35.840 you know

01:30:36.560 there's the

01:30:37.160 possibility

01:30:37.600 of a cover-up

01:30:38.220 etc

01:30:38.500 you know

01:30:39.260 it has all

01:30:39.700 the makings

01:30:40.140 of a huge

01:30:40.580 true crime

01:30:40.960 case

01:30:41.260 obviously

01:30:41.940 house sold

01:30:44.480 you'll learn

01:30:46.220 that all

01:30:46.520 these things

01:30:46.940 happened

01:30:47.220 shortly after

01:30:47.840 the incident

01:30:48.240 where John

01:30:48.720 O'Keefe

01:30:49.160 was found

01:30:49.960 unresponsive

01:30:50.720 and dying

01:30:51.340 in Brian

01:30:52.080 Albert's

01:30:52.540 front lawn

01:30:53.280 you'll learn

01:30:53.940 that during

01:30:54.220 the trial

01:30:54.740 the commonwealth

01:30:55.560 bears the

01:30:56.540 highest burden

01:30:57.300 known to our

01:30:57.800 justice system

01:30:58.520 they must prove

01:31:00.120 every element

01:31:00.820 of every charge

01:31:01.820 beyond a

01:31:02.920 reasonable doubt

01:31:03.580 they're not

01:31:04.300 going to be

01:31:04.500 able to do

01:31:04.820 that

01:31:05.100 not when

01:31:05.960 every piece

01:31:06.360 of this case

01:31:06.840 was handled

01:31:07.220 by a disgraced

01:31:08.080 investigator

01:31:08.720 with a motive

01:31:09.740 to protect

01:31:10.280 his friends

01:31:10.800 not when the

01:31:11.340 physical evidence

01:31:12.140 contradicts

01:31:13.340 their very theory

01:31:14.180 not when

01:31:14.900 their own

01:31:15.240 medical examiner

01:31:16.100 won't call

01:31:16.600 this case

01:31:17.040 a homicide

01:31:17.720 by the end

01:31:18.560 of this trial

01:31:19.000 you'll conclude

01:31:19.600 that Karen Reed

01:31:20.380 is not guilty

01:31:21.960 of hitting

01:31:22.820 John O'Keefe

01:31:23.460 with her SUV 0.99

01:31:24.180 there was

01:31:26.000 no

01:31:27.080 collision

01:31:28.120 she's the victim 0.88

01:31:30.240 of a botched

01:31:30.900 and biased

01:31:31.480 and corrupted

01:31:32.140 investigation

01:31:32.720 that was never

01:31:33.540 about the truth

01:31:34.260 folks

01:31:34.620 it was about

01:31:35.600 preserving loyalty

01:31:36.700 and at the end

01:31:37.400 of this trial

01:31:37.940 we'll ask you

01:31:38.440 to return the only

01:31:39.220 verdicts

01:31:40.320 all three of them

01:31:41.300 that are consistent

01:31:42.500 with the evidence

01:31:43.620 the science

01:31:44.960 the truth

01:31:46.120 and justice

01:31:47.760 not guilty

01:31:49.500 not guilty

01:31:51.360 not guilty

01:31:53.740 as you were nailing

01:32:02.100 I want you to take us

01:32:02.940 so this is one of the

01:32:03.560 firefighters that showed up

01:32:04.600 on the crime scene

01:32:05.720 early on

01:32:06.680 so that moment

01:32:07.580 as you're nailing

01:32:08.260 trying to help

01:32:08.940 Mr. O'Keefe

01:32:09.780 did you have a chance

01:32:11.020 at any point

01:32:11.560 to look up

01:32:12.100 I did

01:32:12.880 and when you looked up

01:32:14.280 when you were trying

01:32:14.800 to help Mr. O'Keefe

01:32:16.080 can you tell us

01:32:16.680 who you saw

01:32:17.180 I saw a middle-aged male

01:32:19.840 excuse me

01:32:20.660 middle-aged female

01:32:21.600 with blood on her face 1.00

01:32:24.460 and I

01:32:25.560 real quick

01:32:26.260 as I was in the process

01:32:27.420 of providing ventilations

01:32:28.920 I said

01:32:29.320 do you know this person

01:32:32.080 and when you looked up

01:32:33.120 and saw

01:32:33.660 that person

01:32:35.480 and asked

01:32:36.800 about any background

01:32:38.020 what did she say to you

01:32:39.800 I hit him 0.90

01:32:40.980 I hit him 0.98

01:32:41.380 I hit him 0.50

01:32:41.820 how clearly

01:32:42.860 do you remember

01:32:43.480 her words

01:32:44.180 saying to you

01:32:45.500 I hit him 0.98

01:32:46.080 I hit him 0.98

01:32:47.180 I hit him

01:32:48.020 I remember it

01:32:49.580 very distinctly

01:32:50.920 what was the reason

01:32:59.100 that you woke up

01:33:00.060 I got a phone call

01:33:01.880 at 5 o'clock

01:33:03.360 in the morning

01:33:03.760 from Karen Reed

01:33:04.620 were you expecting a call

01:33:07.200 no I was not

01:33:08.720 had you ever received

01:33:10.340 a call at 5 in the morning

01:33:11.680 from Ms. Reed before

01:33:13.120 no

01:33:13.760 share with us

01:33:16.000 what happened that morning

01:33:16.860 what did you hear

01:33:17.540 Karen called 0.96

01:33:19.860 and was

01:33:21.060 the first thing

01:33:21.920 she said was

01:33:22.680 Carrie

01:33:23.500 Carrie

01:33:24.480 Carrie

01:33:25.400 John's dead

01:33:26.640 and then she hung up 0.82

01:33:28.200 so as you approached

01:33:29.720 Fairview

01:33:30.200 tell us what happens

01:33:31.200 as we approached

01:33:33.700 Fairview

01:33:34.240 at the house

01:33:35.000 you mean the house

01:33:36.280 or the street

01:33:36.780 yes

01:33:37.320 the house

01:33:38.640 Jen said

01:33:40.840 my sister's house

01:33:41.700 is right up here

01:33:42.980 and I said okay

01:33:43.980 and as we

01:33:45.720 approached the house

01:33:46.720 Karen from the backseat

01:33:48.260 is now screaming

01:33:48.960 there he is

01:33:49.660 there he is

01:33:50.160 let me out of this car

01:33:51.300 and she's now kicking 1.00

01:33:52.260 the back door

01:33:53.180 to get out

01:33:53.660 okay

01:33:54.160 what happens next

01:33:55.020 and then I unlocked

01:33:56.500 the car

01:33:57.220 I looked over

01:33:58.460 I didn't see anything

01:33:59.380 and I unlocked it

01:34:00.800 so she could get out

01:34:01.520 of the backseat

01:34:02.100 I looked at Jen

01:34:03.280 and I said 0.97

01:34:03.740 she's crazy 0.96

01:34:04.760 and then I turned around 0.99

01:34:06.420 and watched

01:34:06.940 and she ran over 1.00

01:34:08.120 to a bound of snow

01:34:10.040 when she started running

01:34:11.640 before she got anywhere

01:34:12.800 did you see anything

01:34:14.120 at that point

01:34:14.720 I did not

01:34:15.500 on day two

01:34:20.440 Carrie Roberts

01:34:21.280 returned to the stand

01:34:22.500 she got emotional

01:34:23.880 as she described

01:34:24.840 finding O'Keefe's body

01:34:26.020 and remembered Reed

01:34:26.960 asking if she might have

01:34:28.600 hit him 0.69

01:34:28.940 even pointing out

01:34:30.000 her already broken

01:34:31.000 taillight

01:34:31.640 the defense went

01:34:32.900 after her hard

01:34:33.820 calling her memory

01:34:34.600 into question

01:34:35.280 and suggesting

01:34:36.420 she was swayed

01:34:37.780 by a mutual friend

01:34:38.920 Jen McCabe

01:34:39.680 then came gut-wrenching

01:34:41.440 testimony from

01:34:42.200 John's mother

01:34:42.980 Peggy O'Keefe

01:34:43.860 she denied ever

01:34:45.220 telling Reed

01:34:45.840 that John looked

01:34:46.580 like he'd been hit

01:34:47.480 by a car

01:34:48.460 something Reed

01:34:49.140 claimed in a media

01:34:49.920 interview

01:34:50.340 the state played

01:34:51.200 a 2020 clip

01:34:52.180 when Reed talked

01:34:52.840 about Peggy's

01:34:53.620 suspicion

01:34:54.460 prosecutors say

01:34:55.880 that showed

01:34:56.420 a consciousness

01:34:57.140 of guilt

01:34:58.200 we also heard

01:34:59.380 from law enforcement

01:35:00.240 first responders

01:35:01.120 and forensic technicians

01:35:02.640 digging into data

01:35:03.980 from O'Keefe's phone

01:35:04.940 and Reed's behavior

01:35:06.340 during her psyche

01:35:07.400 eval

01:35:07.840 when you came out

01:35:18.640 of Meadows

01:35:19.240 did you have a chance

01:35:20.480 again to look at

01:35:22.300 the defendant's

01:35:23.200 taillight on her

01:35:25.180 Lexus

01:35:25.720 yes Karen pointed

01:35:27.220 out and said look

01:35:27.840 my taillight

01:35:28.460 and I said

01:35:29.160 she said do you

01:35:30.060 think I hit him

01:35:30.800 and I said no I don't

01:35:31.800 think you hit him

01:35:32.800 what are you talking

01:35:33.660 about let's just

01:35:34.740 go find him

01:35:35.400 did you have any

01:35:36.080 reason

01:35:36.460 Matt Murdock says

01:35:38.160 Myron when you say

01:35:39.420 beyond a reasonable

01:35:40.780 doubt does that mean

01:35:41.720 the defendant only

01:35:43.400 needs to make it seem

01:35:44.080 like there's a 1%

01:35:44.820 chance of being

01:35:45.360 innocent not trying

01:35:46.080 to troll I actually

01:35:46.780 want to know

01:35:47.280 not 1% but it's

01:35:49.340 it's basically to show

01:35:50.220 like hey

01:35:50.720 you know

01:35:51.620 there's a

01:35:53.880 there's a

01:35:54.420 there's a good

01:35:54.920 chance

01:35:55.500 there that there's

01:35:57.540 some doubt here

01:35:58.160 there's some doubt

01:35:59.740 here

01:36:00.000 that's basically

01:36:01.520 what we're trying

01:36:01.880 to do

01:36:02.100 that's what the

01:36:02.860 defense is trying

01:36:03.360 to do

01:36:03.620 create doubt

01:36:04.360 attack the

01:36:04.900 witnesses

01:36:05.160 attack the

01:36:05.660 evidence

01:36:05.980 and then that's

01:36:07.180 what you know

01:36:07.920 kind of creates

01:36:09.080 this element of

01:36:09.660 doubt and that's

01:36:10.500 what the defense's

01:36:11.080 job is to do

01:36:11.980 that's why I always

01:36:13.100 say when it comes

01:36:13.880 to criminal trials

01:36:14.480 guys it's not

01:36:15.700 about winning

01:36:16.080 for the defense

01:36:16.740 it's about the

01:36:17.400 prosecution losing

01:36:18.180 to think at that

01:36:21.100 point that she

01:36:21.620 hit anybody

01:36:22.140 no

01:36:22.880 did she ever

01:36:24.180 repeat that phrase

01:36:25.120 or question in the

01:36:26.100 same or similar

01:36:26.720 manner again that

01:36:27.540 night

01:36:27.780 she did at the

01:36:29.440 scene where we

01:36:30.200 found John

01:36:30.700 how often was the

01:36:31.840 yelling on the way

01:36:32.660 to Fairview

01:36:33.420 oh several times

01:36:34.860 it was like

01:36:35.540 you couldn't

01:36:37.240 control her

01:36:37.760 and I was trying

01:36:38.700 to drive

01:36:39.240 and guys I'm

01:36:40.320 reading chats

01:36:40.780 five and up

01:36:41.420 so rumble rants

01:36:42.540 everything else

01:36:43.060 on chats I'm

01:36:43.700 reading under

01:36:44.140 five our

01:36:44.780 castle club

01:36:46.240 we got

01:36:47.500 Hamza says

01:36:47.920 traveling in

01:36:48.640 Morocco and

01:36:49.080 still got time

01:36:49.520 for a stream

01:36:49.800 W debrief

01:36:50.300 I got you bro

01:36:50.880 can you take

01:36:52.800 us back

01:36:53.340 and describe

01:36:54.240 for us what

01:36:54.720 you're seeing

01:36:55.180 also guys do

01:36:56.940 me a favor

01:36:57.260 if you're

01:36:57.460 watching the

01:36:57.800 stream on

01:36:58.160 YouTube

01:36:58.500 like the video

01:36:59.780 for me we

01:37:00.160 got about

01:37:00.560 1800 you

01:37:01.180 guys in

01:37:01.500 here

01:37:01.700 okay let's

01:37:03.240 get to

01:37:03.640 1500 likes

01:37:05.040 I think

01:37:05.340 YouTube is

01:37:05.700 throttling my

01:37:06.140 channel honestly

01:37:06.880 guys I think

01:37:08.380 they're truly

01:37:08.900 throttling my

01:37:09.760 channel man we

01:37:10.280 were cooking

01:37:10.540 too hard last

01:37:11.140 week and now

01:37:11.560 they're throttling 0.99

01:37:12.540 shit so 0.99

01:37:13.680 like the video 0.99

01:37:15.180 guys get the

01:37:15.840 get the

01:37:17.420 engagement up

01:37:18.020 because it's

01:37:19.120 very clear that

01:37:19.840 I'm like

01:37:20.280 shadowbanned or 0.98

01:37:20.840 some shit 0.99

01:37:21.260 um his body 1.00

01:37:25.840 was completely

01:37:26.420 covered but

01:37:27.000 his head was

01:37:28.680 completely covered

01:37:29.400 so I started to

01:37:30.220 dig around his

01:37:31.380 face and his

01:37:32.220 eyes and his

01:37:34.340 left eye was

01:37:34.920 fine but his

01:37:36.160 right eye looked

01:37:37.080 like it was

01:37:38.580 huge like he

01:37:41.220 had something

01:37:42.600 happen to it

01:37:43.280 and after that I

01:37:46.360 told Karen to

01:37:47.160 get off him we 0.52

01:37:47.820 were going to

01:37:48.080 start CPR was

01:37:49.280 anything said at

01:37:50.620 that point about

01:37:51.400 her tail light

01:37:52.080 about what her

01:37:54.520 tail light no

01:37:56.000 when the EMTs

01:37:57.640 were around and

01:37:58.280 they were working

01:37:58.760 on the body she

01:37:59.400 was running

01:37:59.820 around and

01:38:01.300 saying did I

01:38:01.940 hit him did I

01:38:02.520 hit him is he 1.00

01:38:02.980 dead is he 1.00

01:38:03.460 dead oh man

01:38:04.640 that's crazy

01:38:05.460 when you were

01:38:05.980 trying to save

01:38:06.560 Mr O'Keefe did

01:38:07.360 you ever see

01:38:08.400 any signs of

01:38:10.480 life I did

01:38:12.320 not and I

01:38:13.100 checked his

01:38:13.520 pulse um

01:38:14.700 no I did

01:38:17.740 not you saw

01:38:18.940 the interaction

01:38:21.000 between all

01:38:21.700 three of you

01:38:22.280 and the

01:38:23.140 vehicles correct

01:38:23.820 yep at any

01:38:24.780 point did

01:38:25.420 anybody stop

01:38:26.200 and take a

01:38:27.180 look at the

01:38:27.560 tail light or

01:38:28.360 the rear end

01:38:29.160 of the car

01:38:29.540 not when we

01:38:30.960 were entering

01:38:31.380 the house like

01:38:31.920 I thought but

01:38:32.440 when we came

01:38:33.000 out okay

01:38:33.740 and there's

01:38:35.160 no video of

01:38:35.960 that I'm

01:38:36.860 sorry there's

01:38:37.460 no video of

01:38:38.020 that no I

01:38:39.380 don't believe

01:38:39.740 so right so

01:38:40.640 the video that

01:38:41.420 does exist

01:38:42.380 describes nearly

01:38:43.940 exactly the

01:38:45.520 time that you

01:38:46.180 testified that

01:38:47.700 y'all stopped

01:38:48.380 at the back of

01:38:48.880 the tail light

01:38:49.420 and Karen said 0.90

01:38:50.640 look my

01:38:51.840 tail light's

01:38:52.300 broken oh my

01:38:53.160 god do you

01:38:53.620 think I hit

01:38:54.020 him correct

01:38:54.900 okay and that

01:38:56.520 obviously was

01:38:57.780 incorrect it was

01:38:59.380 incorrect so your

01:39:00.160 memory was faulty

01:39:00.960 about that incident

01:39:02.040 that part of that

01:39:03.100 incident oh 0.99

01:39:03.800 shit it 0.99

01:39:05.060 happened I 0.96

01:39:05.620 think this is

01:39:06.120 her on cross

01:39:06.640 examination that

01:39:07.360 sounds like

01:39:07.780 Karen Reed's

01:39:08.420 defense attorney

01:39:09.000 on the way out

01:39:09.900 of the house

01:39:10.360 so your memory

01:39:10.960 was faulty about

01:39:11.860 that part of the

01:39:12.600 incident that you

01:39:13.240 testified to at the

01:39:14.140 grand jury yes 0.99

01:39:15.260 okay fucked her up 0.99

01:39:17.600 right there man 1.00

01:39:18.320 fucked her up right 1.00

01:39:19.800 there so they 0.99

01:39:22.980 can't find it on

01:39:23.660 the video apparently

01:39:24.380 let me see if we

01:39:25.020 can find this

01:39:25.720 dash cam footage

01:39:26.460 let me let me

01:39:26.900 let's get this 0.99

01:39:27.780 fucking dash cam 0.99

01:39:28.420 footage and let's 1.00

01:39:32.120 listen to ourselves

01:39:32.980 this is because

01:39:58.220 obviously this

01:39:58.840 evidence is huge

01:39:59.580 about what she

01:40:00.660 said right when

01:40:01.980 this all happened

01:40:02.600 previously been

01:40:03.240 marked as 12a

01:40:05.060 okay so this is I

01:40:09.940 think one of the

01:40:10.380 troopers that was

01:40:11.820 on the scene

01:40:12.380 let's go ahead and

01:40:13.100 zoom in on the

01:40:13.720 upper left hand

01:40:14.320 corner okay go

01:40:15.620 ahead play

01:40:15.920 oh no this isn't

01:40:23.840 this is this is the 1.00

01:40:24.560 fucking car we need 0.99

01:40:26.180 the dash cam 1.00

01:40:26.740 all right you know

01:40:28.060 what I think we can

01:40:28.960 go we can use this

01:40:30.980 bimbo's car or

01:40:31.960 let's see here

01:40:32.740 we'll use this one

01:40:33.320 before we get into

01:40:34.260 today's video I just

01:40:34.980 want to let you guys

01:40:35.400 know that this video

01:40:36.040 is for educational

01:40:37.120 purposes only please

01:40:38.220 remember to be kind to

01:40:38.960 everybody everywhere

01:40:39.660 opening statements

01:40:41.080 went on to say that

01:40:41.860 at least four officers

01:40:43.060 initially searched

01:40:44.060 brian's yard at 30

01:40:45.340 however they stopped

01:40:46.780 it about 10 minutes

01:40:47.640 in to end the day

01:40:48.860 so here's the vehicle

01:40:50.460 right there and the

01:40:51.960 females are right 1.00

01:40:54.720 there yeah so they

01:41:11.260 came on scene later

01:41:12.120 I think this is

01:41:28.360 Karen right here on

01:41:28.860 the left chat

01:41:29.400 running around

01:41:41.140 you can hear her

01:41:42.520 screaming 0.51

01:41:42.900 again

01:42:12.880 we're supposed to

01:42:13.620 see the rest of the

01:42:14.180 body cam footage on

01:42:15.180 Tuesday but she

01:42:16.580 definitely seemed to

01:42:17.420 be in distress and

01:42:18.640 shocked that he was

01:42:20.200 not alive

01:42:20.740 she's on trial now 0.98

01:42:22.360 we've seen

01:42:22.900 okay when this is a

01:42:24.340 year ago okay

01:42:25.100 was incorrect

01:42:27.300 it was incorrect

01:42:28.400 this is important

01:42:29.040 so

01:42:29.600 you testified

01:42:30.620 that y'all stopped

01:42:32.280 at the back of the

01:42:32.900 taillight and Karen

01:42:34.100 said look my

01:42:35.760 taillight's broken

01:42:36.500 oh my god do you

01:42:37.520 think I hit it

01:42:38.140 correct

01:42:38.780 okay

01:42:39.340 and that obviously

01:42:40.820 was incorrect

01:42:42.540 it was incorrect

01:42:43.740 cooked

01:42:44.440 memory was faulty

01:42:45.580 about that incident

01:42:46.660 that part of that

01:42:47.720 incident

01:42:48.000 just completely

01:42:48.580 destroyed her

01:42:49.060 credibility

01:42:49.560 it happened on the

01:42:51.200 way out of the

01:42:51.800 house

01:42:52.040 so your memory

01:42:52.640 was faulty about

01:42:53.520 that part of the

01:42:54.280 incident that you

01:42:54.900 testified to at the

01:42:55.820 grand jury

01:42:56.220 yes

01:42:56.940 okay

01:42:57.340 I'm showing you a

01:43:05.200 photograph

01:43:05.620 okay

01:43:06.320 and can you tell us

01:43:08.140 what you see

01:43:08.580 that's my sign

01:43:09.760 thank you

01:43:11.600 may I introduce this

01:43:13.820 as an exhibit

01:43:14.320 yes

01:43:15.220 I want to go back

01:43:16.800 I want to go back

01:43:16.820 to the morning

01:43:18.800 of January 29th

01:43:21.600 2022

01:43:23.040 is that okay

01:43:24.760 yeah

01:43:25.460 were you home

01:43:27.260 I was home in

01:43:28.880 Braintree

01:43:29.280 in Braintree

01:43:30.320 who were you with

01:43:32.000 my husband

01:43:32.960 did you receive a

01:43:33.980 phone call

01:43:34.460 2022

01:43:35.140 yes

01:43:35.580 from Carrie

01:43:36.340 Roberts

01:43:37.180 yeah

01:43:37.580 it was about

01:43:38.200 6 15

01:43:39.060 between 6 15

01:43:40.220 and 6 30

01:43:40.940 in the morning

01:43:41.500 when she called you

01:43:42.520 that morning

01:43:43.040 do you remember

01:43:43.720 the conversation

01:43:45.480 yeah

01:43:47.060 she said

01:43:47.860 John was found

01:43:49.620 in a snowbank

01:43:50.660 and I

01:43:51.340 I didn't understand

01:43:53.700 which I said

01:43:54.220 what do you mean

01:43:54.740 found in a snowbank

01:43:55.960 she said

01:43:56.220 they found him

01:43:56.800 in the snow

01:43:57.400 they don't know

01:43:58.640 what happened

01:43:59.220 she says

01:44:00.020 he's brought up

01:44:00.820 to the

01:44:01.260 Good Samaritan

01:44:02.380 Hospital

01:44:02.840 finally they said

01:44:03.940 okay you can go down

01:44:05.380 so we started

01:44:07.000 walking down

01:44:07.540 the corridor

01:44:08.060 and as I'm

01:44:09.720 walking down

01:44:10.420 I hear

01:44:12.340 Karen Reed

01:44:13.020 yell

01:44:13.460 Peg is he dead 0.74

01:44:14.680 is he dead 0.51

01:44:15.160 Peg

01:44:15.440 Peg is he dead

01:44:16.280 and I just

01:44:24.080 kept walking

01:44:24.800 and then I

01:44:25.620 asked

01:44:26.560 I don't know

01:44:27.500 who it was

01:44:28.020 a nurse

01:44:28.520 or a

01:44:29.200 a worker

01:44:30.960 at the hospital

01:44:31.680 and I said

01:44:32.180 what is she doing

01:44:32.900 here

01:44:33.220 she says

01:44:33.720 oh she's being

01:44:34.220 psych evaluated

01:44:35.260 so then they

01:44:37.460 brought us down

01:44:38.120 to the room

01:44:38.640 where my son was

01:44:39.580 he's bruised up

01:44:47.020 his eyes were closed

01:44:48.160 just not a good scene

01:44:51.980 on day three

01:44:59.100 tension rose

01:45:00.060 right away

01:45:01.040 judge ruled

01:45:02.220 that jurors

01:45:02.720 could see a clip

01:45:03.420 of Reed mocking

01:45:04.320 John's mother

01:45:05.000 Peggy

01:45:05.440 the courtroom felt it

01:45:07.020 things heated up

01:45:08.200 as the prosecution

01:45:09.020 zoomed in

01:45:09.780 on the couple's

01:45:10.760 rocky relationship

01:45:11.860 in the hours

01:45:12.540 leading up to

01:45:13.120 John O'Keefe's death

01:45:14.080 special prosecutor

01:45:15.460 Hank Brennan

01:45:16.020 dropped a bombshell

01:45:17.480 a series of texts

01:45:19.240 that paint a picture

01:45:20.360 of a romance

01:45:21.660 unraveling fast

01:45:22.980 and one text

01:45:24.340 Karen Reed

01:45:24.900 asked bluntly

01:45:25.780 tell me if you're

01:45:27.040 interested in someone

01:45:27.960 else

01:45:28.360 John replies

01:45:29.600 nope

01:45:30.080 things haven't been

01:45:31.460 great between us

01:45:32.200 for a while

01:45:32.820 ever consider that

01:45:33.920 then came

01:45:35.260 the call log

01:45:36.380 dozens of

01:45:37.300 unanswered calls

01:45:38.140 from Reed to O'Keefe

01:45:39.160 that same afternoon

01:45:40.320 one message

01:45:41.440 from John Reed

01:45:42.140 and I think that's

01:45:43.000 why Proctor

01:45:43.420 was calling her

01:45:44.000 crazy

01:45:44.360 because she 0.55

01:45:44.700 called him

01:45:45.000 50 times

01:45:45.700 which I mean

01:45:47.820 kind of is justified

01:45:48.620 bro

01:45:48.860 he called somebody

01:45:49.280 50 times 0.99

01:45:49.880 god damn bro 0.99

01:45:50.720 it's I am not 0.99

01:45:52.520 answering

01:45:53.060 stop calling

01:45:54.460 but then came a

01:45:55.960 twist

01:45:56.380 Michael Camerano

01:45:57.780 a friend of John's

01:45:58.820 painted a peaceful

01:45:59.580 picture of the night

01:46:00.920 before

01:46:01.380 he said Karen

01:46:02.620 seemed caring

01:46:03.800 even trustworthy

01:46:04.900 the next morning

01:46:06.340 when he went to

01:46:07.000 pick up John's

01:46:07.700 niece

01:46:08.040 Reed seemed

01:46:09.240 distraught

01:46:10.100 the jury also

01:46:11.160 heard clips from

01:46:11.900 Karen Reed's

01:46:12.580 own interviews

01:46:13.260 where she downplayed

01:46:14.380 how much she drank

01:46:15.140 that night

01:46:15.660 though she did

01:46:17.000 admit to being

01:46:18.060 impaired

01:46:18.640 in April of 2022

01:46:30.980 before the grand jury

01:46:32.180 Mr. Lally asked you

01:46:33.600 quote

01:46:35.020 what if any questions

01:46:36.320 did she ask you

01:46:37.500 regarding hypothermia

01:46:38.880 do you remember that

01:46:39.480 who's this guy

01:46:40.240 in April

01:46:42.740 okay

01:46:44.320 paramedic

01:46:45.000 in April of 2022

01:46:50.300 before the grand jury

01:46:51.500 Mr. Lally asked you

01:46:52.920 quote

01:46:54.340 what if any questions

01:46:55.640 did she ask you

01:46:56.820 regarding hypothermia

01:46:58.220 do you remember that

01:46:58.840 question

01:46:59.220 I do

01:46:59.820 your answer was

01:47:01.600 she was just

01:47:03.500 wondering

01:47:04.020 if he could have

01:47:05.400 survived outside

01:47:06.400 in the cold

01:47:07.040 even though he

01:47:07.920 didn't have a jacket

01:47:09.000 on

01:47:09.420 do you remember

01:47:10.420 giving that answer

01:47:11.220 I do

01:47:12.380 I do

01:47:12.400 now

01:47:13.220 2024

01:47:14.360 last year

01:47:15.480 Mr. Lally asked you

01:47:17.020 so firefighter

01:47:18.220 Whitley

01:47:18.480 at some point

01:47:19.220 specific to your

01:47:20.120 conversations

01:47:20.720 with the defendant

01:47:21.520 Ms. Reed

01:47:22.200 can you describe

01:47:23.560 sort of her demeanor

01:47:25.200 or any observations

01:47:26.240 you made

01:47:26.900 in relation to that

01:47:28.480 as you were speaking

01:47:29.280 with her

01:47:29.780 and your answer

01:47:31.100 was

01:47:31.580 yes

01:47:32.100 she asked

01:47:33.280 if somebody

01:47:34.100 could be alive

01:47:34.940 in the snow

01:47:35.600 without a jacket

01:47:36.820 for many hours

01:47:37.780 correct

01:47:38.160 so

01:47:39.740 2022

01:47:41.140 there was no

01:47:41.940 mention

01:47:42.300 of many hours

01:47:43.640 2024

01:47:44.800 over time

01:47:46.800 now that's

01:47:48.080 the first time

01:47:48.940 that you mention

01:47:49.840 the words

01:47:50.980 many hours

01:47:51.640 in your testimony

01:47:52.980 regarding this

01:47:53.920 hey guys

01:47:54.460 we got 1800

01:47:55.460 of you guys

01:47:55.800 in here pretty much

01:47:56.400 but only 800 likes

01:47:57.660 man

01:47:57.880 guys smash

01:47:58.580 that like button 0.58

01:47:59.260 alright smash

01:48:00.920 the like button

01:48:01.360 guys

01:48:01.700 let's get to

01:48:02.660 1000

01:48:03.200 alright let's get

01:48:04.260 to 1000

01:48:04.760 correct

01:48:05.540 correct

01:48:06.280 it always

01:48:07.860 was a question

01:48:09.480 correct

01:48:10.160 it was a question

01:48:11.160 she never

01:48:12.200 said

01:48:13.360 what you said

01:48:15.700 on cross examination

01:48:16.760 yesterday

01:48:17.520 which was

01:48:18.200 she said

01:48:20.000 that he had been

01:48:21.060 out in the snow

01:48:22.140 without a jacket on

01:48:23.960 for many hours

01:48:24.840 that was not

01:48:25.540 a declarative statement

01:48:26.760 by Ms. Reed

01:48:27.500 correct

01:48:27.960 objection

01:48:28.760 I'll allow that

01:48:30.600 was that a declarative

01:48:31.820 statement by Ms. Reed

01:48:33.000 she asked

01:48:34.760 if she

01:48:35.240 if he could be alive

01:48:36.540 without a jacket

01:48:38.460 in the snow

01:48:39.440 for many hours

01:48:40.180 so again

01:48:40.900 it was a question

01:48:41.840 sir

01:48:42.240 she asked me

01:48:43.340 alright now

01:48:47.440 Michael Camerano

01:48:48.440 victim friend

01:48:49.380 John O'Keefe

01:48:52.100 of course

01:48:52.540 I want to

01:48:54.640 guys let's get to

01:48:55.460 1000

01:48:55.800 we got

01:48:56.120 850

01:48:56.720 let's get to

01:48:58.440 1000 likes

01:48:59.260 guys smash

01:48:59.780 that like button 0.58

01:49:00.340 on YouTube

01:49:00.800 all right

01:49:02.380 Rumble Rants

01:49:03.640 in

01:49:03.800 MyronGainesX

01:49:04.540 dot com

01:49:05.940 either or

01:49:06.380 whatever you guys

01:49:06.940 want to do

01:49:07.640 take you forward

01:49:10.260 to January 28th

01:49:11.860 of 2022

01:49:12.640 okay

01:49:13.660 do you remember

01:49:14.240 that day

01:49:14.660 yes

01:49:15.360 had you

01:49:16.680 without any

01:49:17.760 discussion

01:49:18.520 of what might

01:49:19.040 have been

01:49:19.240 said

01:49:19.420 did you have

01:49:19.940 any discussions

01:49:20.560 with John

01:49:21.180 that day

01:49:21.600 yes

01:49:22.180 at some point

01:49:23.260 did you decide

01:49:24.260 that you were

01:49:24.680 going to spend

01:49:25.120 some time

01:49:25.560 or go meet

01:49:26.060 John

01:49:26.740 yes

01:49:27.580 where did you

01:49:28.420 go

01:49:28.660 we went

01:49:29.740 to see

01:49:30.020 F McCarthy's 0.66

01:49:30.860 were you

01:49:31.300 drinking

01:49:31.640 yes

01:49:32.540 was John

01:49:33.080 drinking

01:49:33.440 yes

01:49:34.100 alcohol

01:49:34.680 yes

01:49:35.760 how long

01:49:36.900 were you

01:49:37.160 there for

01:49:37.620 a couple

01:49:39.980 hours

01:49:40.420 did you do

01:49:41.180 anything

01:49:41.380 significant

01:49:41.840 when you

01:49:42.160 got home

01:49:42.580 put the kids

01:49:45.680 to bed

01:49:46.400 my son

01:49:47.340 and no

01:49:48.980 I went

01:49:49.280 to bed

01:49:49.640 what's the

01:49:50.380 next thing

01:49:50.700 you remember

01:49:51.100 happening

01:49:51.480 waking up

01:49:53.060 to I

01:49:53.700 missed some

01:49:54.080 phone calls

01:49:54.660 who were

01:49:56.160 the missed

01:49:56.380 phone calls

01:49:56.880 from

01:49:57.140 from my

01:49:57.940 wife and

01:49:58.380 Karen

01:49:58.680 what did

01:50:00.360 you do

01:50:00.760 I called

01:50:01.480 my wife

01:50:02.020 after speaking

01:50:03.380 to your wife

01:50:04.060 what did

01:50:04.720 you do

01:50:05.040 I got

01:50:06.520 in my car

01:50:07.180 and drove

01:50:08.160 to John's

01:50:09.280 house

01:50:09.600 about what

01:50:10.380 time was

01:50:10.800 this

01:50:11.160 these accents

01:50:13.080 are crazy 0.91

01:50:13.640 man 0.73

01:50:13.960 in between

01:50:15.180 maybe 5

01:50:15.880 and 6

01:50:16.300 a.m.

01:50:17.100 what was

01:50:17.500 your mood

01:50:18.240 at that

01:50:18.540 point

01:50:18.800 I was

01:50:21.680 panicked

01:50:22.260 you were

01:50:22.840 very close

01:50:23.680 with your

01:50:24.400 friend

01:50:24.680 John O'Keefe

01:50:25.320 correct

01:50:25.720 I was close

01:50:26.340 with him

01:50:26.640 yes

01:50:26.920 and you

01:50:28.380 actually met

01:50:29.060 Karen Reed

01:50:29.940 through John

01:50:30.980 correct

01:50:31.680 correct

01:50:32.560 during the

01:50:33.300 month before

01:50:34.040 John's passing

01:50:35.000 that January

01:50:35.780 of 2022

01:50:36.700 you observed

01:50:38.900 their relationship

01:50:39.780 in your presence

01:50:41.320 to be normal

01:50:42.700 caring

01:50:43.760 and affectionate

01:50:44.680 right

01:50:44.980 yes

01:50:46.440 you were asked

01:50:47.300 a number of

01:50:47.780 questions about

01:50:48.660 the relationship

01:50:50.600 between John

01:50:51.460 and Karen

01:50:51.900 and Karen

01:50:51.920 that night

01:50:52.460 do you know

01:50:55.380 what was going

01:50:55.820 on behind

01:50:56.300 closed doors

01:50:57.080 other than

01:50:57.520 what you saw

01:50:58.120 I'll allow it

01:51:00.220 no

01:51:00.740 do you know

01:51:01.980 whether or not

01:51:02.980 John was trying

01:51:03.920 to end the

01:51:04.880 relationship

01:51:05.460 with Miss Reed

01:51:06.560 objection

01:51:07.440 do you know

01:51:08.380 that sir

01:51:08.880 no

01:51:09.500 next question

01:51:11.340 do you know

01:51:12.020 if there was

01:51:12.480 any jealousy

01:51:13.760 in that relationship

01:51:15.400 I mean

01:51:16.440 she

01:51:18.380 I mean

01:51:19.160 Karen wouldn't

01:51:20.500 let

01:51:20.700 I mean

01:51:21.140 they did

01:51:21.800 everything together

01:51:22.560 a lot of

01:51:23.480 things together

01:51:23.980 and

01:51:24.260 I thought

01:51:26.720 at times

01:51:28.000 you could see

01:51:29.220 you know

01:51:29.620 she didn't want 1.00

01:51:30.900 other women 0.95

01:51:31.600 around John

01:51:32.360 all right

01:51:37.780 now

01:51:37.960 Nick

01:51:38.240 Guarino

01:51:39.100 state police

01:51:40.320 from the

01:51:43.700 defendant

01:51:43.960 to John O'Keefe

01:51:44.620 tell me

01:51:45.480 if you're

01:51:45.720 interested

01:51:45.960 in someone

01:51:46.400 else

01:51:46.700 can't think

01:51:47.340 of any

01:51:47.640 other reason

01:51:48.120 you've

01:51:48.360 been

01:51:48.440 so

01:51:49.820 this

01:51:50.000 is our

01:51:50.160 texting

01:51:50.540 obviously

01:51:51.240 the

01:51:51.560 victim

01:51:53.020 here

01:51:53.300 and like

01:51:53.740 this

01:51:54.040 2 25

01:51:55.280 18 p.m.

01:51:56.560 on the 28th

01:51:57.400 from John

01:51:57.720 O'Keefe

01:51:57.940 to the

01:51:58.160 defendant

01:51:58.440 nope

01:51:59.220 2 25

01:52:00.220 33 p.m.

01:52:01.240 on the 28th

01:52:01.920 from John

01:52:02.360 O'Keefe

01:52:02.660 to the

01:52:02.860 defendant

01:52:03.160 things haven't

01:52:04.020 been great

01:52:04.360 between us

01:52:04.820 for a while

01:52:05.300 ever consider

01:52:06.020 that

01:52:06.320 so if the

01:52:06.960 call is

01:52:07.280 not answered

01:52:07.800 that means

01:52:08.720 the call

01:52:10.080 rang out

01:52:10.540 and goes

01:52:11.100 to voicemail

01:52:11.720 if the call

01:52:12.400 is rejected

01:52:12.840 that is

01:52:13.200 someone actively

01:52:13.880 hitting the

01:52:14.640 sent to voicemail

01:52:15.640 button to

01:52:16.180 disable the

01:52:17.060 call

01:52:17.300 to stop it

01:52:18.140 from ringing

01:52:18.840 I'm going to

01:52:19.860 introduce

01:52:20.180 exhibits

01:52:21.060 or clips

01:52:21.760 and apparently

01:52:22.440 50 calls

01:52:23.140 man

01:52:23.400 that is

01:52:23.900 absolutely

01:52:24.300 nuts

01:52:24.720 7 through

01:52:25.900 11

01:52:26.260 the troops

01:52:27.100 that they

01:52:29.100 were for me

01:52:29.740 at McCarthy's

01:52:30.780 which is

01:52:31.060 where I can

01:52:31.640 to host

01:52:32.320 the alcohol

01:52:33.000 was the

01:52:34.720 weakest

01:52:35.300 vodka

01:52:35.980 tonic

01:52:36.620 so

01:52:37.240 John

01:52:37.740 I said

01:52:38.140 John

01:52:38.380 this drink

01:52:38.820 tastes like

01:52:39.160 it has

01:52:39.380 no vodka

01:52:40.240 in it

01:52:40.560 he said

01:52:40.940 just get

01:52:41.540 get a shot

01:52:42.960 and mix it

01:52:43.720 yourself

01:52:44.180 and I'm not as

01:52:44.940 clear as I would

01:52:45.740 be if I hadn't

01:52:46.360 been drinking

01:52:46.920 yeah

01:52:47.420 yeah

01:52:47.440 see now

01:52:48.060 now they're

01:52:48.260 now they're

01:52:48.620 using her

01:52:49.060 testimony

01:52:49.420 against her

01:52:50.000 sorry

01:52:50.800 her interviews

01:52:51.360 against her

01:52:51.720 I'm shocked

01:52:52.660 that she did

01:52:53.060 all these

01:52:53.460 TV interviews

01:52:54.120 man

01:52:54.420 knowing that

01:52:55.780 she was going

01:52:56.100 to have

01:52:56.320 another trial

01:52:56.980 you know

01:52:58.840 talking to

01:52:59.900 the media

01:53:00.420 can put you

01:53:02.200 in a precarious

01:53:02.840 situation

01:53:03.340 because

01:53:03.720 they're going

01:53:04.600 to analyze

01:53:05.060 every single

01:53:05.960 thing you say

01:53:06.700 to the media

01:53:07.240 and then

01:53:07.560 they're going

01:53:07.780 to compare

01:53:08.200 and contrast

01:53:08.820 it

01:53:09.060 with other

01:53:10.040 statements

01:53:10.440 you've given

01:53:11.000 before

01:53:11.980 and the

01:53:12.980 problem

01:53:13.340 here

01:53:13.580 is that

01:53:14.180 and this

01:53:15.540 is what

01:53:15.720 they actually

01:53:16.080 did to

01:53:16.600 in the

01:53:17.420 Diddy case

01:53:17.800 guys

01:53:18.020 if you guys

01:53:18.580 remember

01:53:18.860 I talked

01:53:19.180 to you guys

01:53:19.520 about

01:53:20.260 Cassie

01:53:21.380 and Don

01:53:22.480 Richard

01:53:22.960 and both

01:53:24.640 of them

01:53:24.880 had a lawsuit

01:53:25.460 against

01:53:26.200 Diddy

01:53:26.680 and the

01:53:27.840 defense

01:53:28.180 was able

01:53:28.600 to use

01:53:29.240 the language

01:53:29.840 in their

01:53:30.340 lawsuits

01:53:30.820 against

01:53:31.300 them

01:53:31.540 in the

01:53:31.800 criminal

01:53:32.020 case

01:53:32.520 okay

01:53:33.480 so

01:53:34.260 when you

01:53:34.700 talk to

01:53:35.020 the media

01:53:35.380 or you

01:53:35.820 do a

01:53:36.180 lawsuit

01:53:36.500 or you

01:53:36.740 do

01:53:36.860 anything

01:53:37.100 out

01:53:37.340 there

01:53:37.600 that's

01:53:38.700 out

01:53:38.840 there

01:53:39.060 the

01:53:40.660 the

01:53:41.060 prosecution

01:53:41.820 is always

01:53:42.320 going to

01:53:42.640 use that

01:53:42.900 against

01:53:43.160 you

01:53:43.420 always

01:53:45.140 going to

01:53:45.340 use that

01:53:45.580 against

01:53:45.800 you

01:53:46.000 and that's

01:53:46.940 what they

01:53:47.160 did to

01:53:47.440 weaken

01:53:47.680 the

01:53:48.180 strength

01:53:48.660 of the

01:53:48.860 witnesses

01:53:49.180 I mean

01:53:54.040 I had

01:53:54.920 drink

01:53:55.280 so

01:53:55.680 and that

01:53:56.440 led me to

01:53:57.440 question

01:53:57.900 like

01:53:58.360 could I

01:53:59.620 have hit 0.55

01:53:59.940 him

01:54:00.100 did I

01:54:00.460 hit him 0.69

01:54:02.520 in the 0.80

01:54:02.740 knee

01:54:03.120 did I

01:54:03.660 incapacitate

01:54:04.360 him

01:54:04.700 Friday

01:54:12.660 day

01:54:13.360 day

01:54:13.380 four

01:54:13.960 of the

01:54:14.540 trial

01:54:14.980 the jury

01:54:15.760 took a

01:54:16.180 field trip

01:54:16.660 to see

01:54:17.340 the scene

01:54:18.120 of the

01:54:18.660 crime

01:54:19.120 after

01:54:20.040 thoroughly

01:54:20.480 observing

01:54:20.940 the lawn

01:54:21.380 where John

01:54:21.800 O'Keefe

01:54:22.120 was

01:54:22.280 the other

01:54:22.900 case that I

01:54:23.340 could think

01:54:23.640 of where

01:54:23.900 they took

01:54:24.200 a field

01:54:24.560 trip to

01:54:24.880 look at

01:54:25.140 the scene

01:54:25.580 of the

01:54:25.780 crime

01:54:26.020 was in

01:54:26.280 the OJ

01:54:26.680 case

01:54:27.100 the OJ

01:54:28.080 case

01:54:28.320 they did

01:54:28.580 that as

01:54:28.880 well

01:54:29.180 found and

01:54:30.820 Karen Reed's

01:54:31.420 Lexus SUV

01:54:32.200 they returned

01:54:33.340 to court

01:54:33.840 to hear

01:54:34.600 an expert

01:54:35.000 testify to

01:54:35.800 Reed's

01:54:36.220 blood

01:54:36.700 alcohol level

01:54:37.520 and an

01:54:38.160 EMT

01:54:38.740 give his

01:54:39.300 statement

01:54:39.600 to Reed's

01:54:40.300 behavior

01:54:40.980 and statements

01:54:41.960 upon finding

01:54:42.840 John's

01:54:43.580 body

01:54:44.000 as her

01:54:55.320 honor

01:54:55.480 explained

01:54:55.920 to you

01:54:56.220 we're

01:54:56.380 going

01:54:56.520 to go

01:54:56.840 to

01:54:57.040 34th

01:54:57.760 Fairview

01:54:58.160 Road

01:54:58.520 I ask

01:55:07.220 you to

01:55:07.540 pay

01:55:07.700 attention

01:55:08.080 to the

01:55:08.840 street

01:55:09.200 the

01:55:09.760 front yard

01:55:10.240 of the

01:55:10.460 home

01:55:10.760 and you'll

01:55:11.760 see to

01:55:12.160 the left

01:55:12.500 side

01:55:12.880 of the

01:55:13.360 front yard

01:55:13.800 in the

01:55:14.060 corner

01:55:14.360 there'll

01:55:15.040 be a

01:55:15.620 car

01:55:15.880 it's

01:55:16.160 the

01:55:16.320 Lexus

01:55:16.660 that we

01:55:16.980 spoken

01:55:17.320 about

01:55:17.660 the

01:55:17.960 defendant's

01:55:18.460 Lexus

01:55:18.860 and you'll

01:55:19.860 also see

01:55:20.500 a flagpole

01:55:21.480 and a

01:55:22.780 fire

01:55:23.000 and so

01:55:23.740 I'd

01:55:23.880 ask you

01:55:24.160 to take

01:55:24.500 a look

01:55:24.800 from

01:55:24.940 different

01:55:25.160 points

01:55:25.940 take a

01:55:26.560 look

01:55:26.740 from

01:55:27.060 that

01:55:27.440 area

01:55:27.720 with

01:55:27.920 flagpole

01:55:28.520 is

01:55:28.880 from

01:55:29.240 where

01:55:29.520 the

01:55:30.100 fire

01:55:30.440 hydrant

01:55:30.720 is

01:55:31.040 and you'll

01:55:31.780 see

01:55:31.900 on the

01:55:32.200 street

01:55:32.480 before

01:55:32.780 the

01:55:32.940 grass

01:55:33.280 is

01:55:33.440 all

01:55:33.660 far

01:55:34.040 on

01:55:34.540 the

01:55:34.760 top

01:55:35.780 a little

01:55:36.020 bit

01:55:36.160 I'd ask you

01:55:36.600 just to

01:55:36.940 know

01:55:37.120 that

01:55:37.380 in the

01:55:37.600 building

01:55:37.840 one thing

01:55:39.000 I suggest

01:55:39.620 is

01:55:40.020 April 25th

01:55:41.400 2025

01:55:42.260 on

01:55:42.800 January

01:55:43.340 22nd

01:55:44.380 2022

01:55:45.220 so the

01:55:46.840 weather

01:55:47.460 will be

01:55:48.080 very

01:55:48.320 different

01:55:48.700 the

01:55:48.980 temperature

01:55:49.340 will be

01:55:49.700 different

01:55:50.020 the

01:55:50.260 conditions

01:55:50.760 will be

01:55:51.080 getting

01:55:51.260 although

01:55:59.120 the

01:55:59.440 view

01:55:59.720 is

01:56:00.140 not

01:56:00.440 as

01:56:00.740 acceptable

01:56:01.120 jury

01:56:02.500 view

01:56:02.680 opening

01:56:02.940 statement

01:56:03.380 okay

01:56:04.260 and this

01:56:04.500 is from

01:56:04.640 the

01:56:04.760 defense

01:56:05.000 attorney

01:56:05.200 Oliver

01:56:06.080 Queen

01:56:06.320 says

01:56:06.560 we all

01:56:06.860 know

01:56:07.140 how much

01:56:07.600 these

01:56:07.780 304s

01:56:08.280 lie

01:56:08.500 if you

01:56:09.320 had to

01:56:09.540 guess

01:56:09.700 right now

01:56:10.060 the outcome

01:56:10.500 of the

01:56:10.760 trial

01:56:11.060 which side

01:56:11.820 are you

01:56:12.020 taking

01:56:12.220 my take

01:56:12.640 Karen

01:56:12.860 has

01:56:13.080 failed

01:56:13.600 Karen Reed

01:56:14.540 has failed

01:56:15.500 the city

01:56:15.860 let's

01:56:20.020 keep

01:56:20.180 going

01:56:20.360 through

01:56:20.480 and I'll

01:56:20.700 give you

01:56:20.880 guys

01:56:21.020 my take

01:56:21.360 on

01:56:21.480 it

01:56:45.860 but

01:56:46.220 there

01:56:46.440 is

01:56:46.640 no

01:56:46.860 substitute

01:56:47.380 to

01:56:48.280 your

01:56:48.440 only

01:56:48.840 two

01:56:49.360 eyes

01:56:50.120 when we

01:56:50.720 get

01:56:50.980 to

01:56:51.180 34

01:56:51.640 fairview

01:56:52.220 we

01:56:53.520 will be

01:56:53.920 pointing out

01:56:54.580 certain things

01:56:55.840 that we'd like

01:56:56.460 you to

01:56:56.880 observe

01:56:57.560 the house

01:56:58.720 the second

01:56:59.620 floor

01:56:59.980 window

01:57:00.540 to that

01:57:01.280 house

01:57:01.640 the three

01:57:02.400 front doors

01:57:03.360 in the front

01:57:04.120 of the house

01:57:04.600 the driveway

01:57:05.520 the street

01:57:06.360 the front lawn

01:57:07.680 and the

01:57:08.720 flat

01:57:08.980 court

01:57:09.320 and we'll

01:57:10.320 be asking

01:57:11.020 you

01:57:11.500 specifically

01:57:12.340 to

01:57:13.360 consider

01:57:14.120 the

01:57:15.000 distance

01:57:15.720 between

01:57:16.740 that

01:57:17.560 second

01:57:18.020 floor

01:57:18.640 front

01:57:19.420 window

01:57:19.920 and the

01:57:21.000 front

01:57:21.240 lawn

01:57:21.600 the

01:57:22.400 distance

01:57:22.880 between

01:57:23.420 the

01:57:24.020 front

01:57:24.280 doors

01:57:24.940 to the

01:57:25.460 house

01:57:25.860 and that

01:57:26.960 front

01:57:27.240 lawn

01:57:27.480 the

01:57:27.720 distance

01:57:28.060 between

01:57:28.620 the

01:57:29.340 driveway

01:57:29.900 to the

01:57:31.060 front

01:57:31.280 lawn

01:57:31.540 and we'll

01:57:32.860 be asking

01:57:33.360 you

01:57:33.820 to take

01:57:34.620 a good

01:57:34.920 look

01:57:35.300 at that

01:57:36.220 Lexus

01:57:36.800 to stand

01:57:38.200 next to it

01:57:38.900 to size

01:57:40.080 it up

01:57:40.520 all right

01:57:44.740 now Gary

01:57:45.260 Dr. Gary

01:57:45.880 Fowler

01:57:46.340 physician

01:57:47.540 pathologist

01:57:48.520 signature

01:57:49.380 healthcare

01:57:49.740 all right

01:57:51.440 so this is

01:57:51.780 week one

01:57:52.260 right

01:57:52.740 we're going

01:57:53.460 to go

01:57:53.600 into week

01:57:53.860 two

01:57:53.980 after this

01:57:54.460 do you

01:57:56.720 recognize

01:57:57.100 those records

01:57:58.140 sir

01:57:58.360 yes

01:57:59.280 and what

01:58:00.120 do you

01:58:00.240 recognize

01:58:00.580 those

01:58:00.840 these are

01:58:03.380 the medical

01:58:04.100 records of

01:58:04.960 Karen Reed

01:58:06.300 doctor what

01:58:07.100 was the

01:58:07.460 result of

01:58:08.620 the testing

01:58:09.660 for alcohol

01:58:10.360 in the

01:58:10.800 defendant's

01:58:11.200 blood

01:58:11.460 when it

01:58:12.940 was taken

01:58:14.000 shortly after

01:58:14.880 9 a.m.

01:58:15.440 on January

01:58:15.860 29th

01:58:17.280 93 milligrams

01:58:19.060 per deciliter

01:58:20.560 the good

01:58:21.380 Samaritan lab

01:58:22.260 is a clinical

01:58:23.200 lab not a

01:58:24.400 forensic lab

01:58:25.100 is that right

01:58:25.660 correct

01:58:26.980 you'd agree

01:58:27.980 that there

01:58:28.340 are differences

01:58:28.980 between screening

01:58:30.020 tests that are

01:58:30.620 conducted at

01:58:31.140 hospitals and

01:58:32.980 forensic tests

01:58:34.000 that are conducted

01:58:34.520 by law enforcement

01:58:35.340 right

01:58:36.200 yes

01:58:37.320 our test

01:58:38.180 system is

01:58:39.280 is a little

01:58:40.340 bit different

01:58:40.900 than the

01:58:42.140 forensic testing

01:58:43.040 system

01:58:43.520 when we compare

01:58:44.620 our methodology

01:58:46.700 to the headspace

01:58:47.560 we get almost

01:58:48.200 we get the exact

01:58:49.000 same results

01:58:49.700 and doctor

01:58:50.440 you did a number

01:58:51.340 of other tests

01:58:52.120 on misread

01:58:52.880 on january

01:58:53.700 29th

01:58:54.280 2022

01:58:54.700 you tested

01:58:55.300 for additional

01:58:56.080 drugs not just

01:58:57.000 alcohol correct

01:58:57.840 correct

01:58:59.240 and all of those

01:59:00.760 results were

01:59:01.420 negative

01:59:01.860 correct

01:59:02.920 okay

01:59:06.020 jason becker

01:59:06.780 fire department

01:59:07.260 emt cancer

01:59:07.900 fire department

01:59:08.500 i was lead tech

01:59:11.040 so you know

01:59:12.380 i'm the one

01:59:12.660 documented

01:59:13.120 giving a report

01:59:14.140 to the nurses

01:59:14.660 the staff

01:59:15.420 so i was more

01:59:17.120 kind of getting

01:59:18.920 that information

01:59:19.500 my initial

01:59:20.140 triage questions

01:59:20.840 and then

01:59:22.740 just kind of

01:59:23.540 sat and

01:59:23.880 supported

01:59:24.540 miss read

01:59:25.480 can you describe

01:59:26.780 her demeanor

01:59:27.900 or temperament

01:59:28.700 yeah this case

01:59:30.060 is very reliant

01:59:30.820 upon first responders

01:59:31.780 as well guys

01:59:32.620 not common

01:59:33.640 in criminal cases

01:59:34.300 like this

01:59:34.760 but since her

01:59:35.640 statements about

01:59:36.560 i hit him 0.94

01:59:37.480 i hit him 0.74

01:59:37.900 are so pivotal

01:59:39.700 for the prosecution

01:59:40.520 they're bringing in

01:59:41.180 as many of these

01:59:41.720 guys as they can

01:59:42.400 initially she was

01:59:44.800 agitated

01:59:45.280 because she didn't

01:59:46.120 feel like she needed

01:59:46.600 to go to the hospital

01:59:47.120 but then there'd be

01:59:48.160 periods of which

01:59:48.720 you'd be calm

01:59:49.220 and it would

01:59:50.280 fluctuate

01:59:50.720 she would have

01:59:51.280 like pressured

01:59:52.740 speech

01:59:53.180 repetitive

01:59:53.940 but all in all

01:59:55.980 she was cooperative

01:59:56.620 it's the last thing

01:59:57.460 she last conversation

01:59:59.140 she had with her

02:00:00.180 husband at the time

02:00:00.760 was an argument

02:00:01.700 i didn't feel like

02:00:03.940 it was my role

02:00:04.540 to really find out

02:00:05.780 the details

02:00:06.240 on what was said

02:00:07.340 you were talking

02:00:08.060 about an argument

02:00:08.740 that they had

02:00:09.400 and then she was

02:00:10.440 upset

02:00:10.780 and you were

02:00:11.660 paraphrasing her

02:00:12.540 and one of the

02:00:13.380 things that you

02:00:13.860 paraphrased was

02:00:14.920 in fact

02:00:15.780 your statement

02:00:17.500 was she was

02:00:18.260 upset

02:00:18.640 that that

02:00:19.380 was like

02:00:20.560 her last words

02:00:21.460 to him

02:00:21.820 correct

02:00:22.240 she said that

02:00:24.320 yes

02:00:24.920 correct

02:00:25.620 okay

02:00:26.140 were you also

02:00:29.100 made aware

02:00:29.700 did she tell you

02:00:30.880 that her last words

02:00:32.380 to him

02:00:32.860 were in voicemails

02:00:34.920 did she say that

02:00:36.420 she didn't give

02:00:37.140 any details

02:00:37.740 this week proved

02:00:42.740 to be full of drama

02:00:43.940 in karen reed's

02:00:44.760 murder retrial

02:00:45.520 two stark versions

02:00:46.660 of the truth

02:00:47.260 are taking shape

02:00:48.400 one that karen reed

02:00:50.540 snapped after a night

02:00:51.520 of drinking

02:00:51.960 and left john o'keefe

02:00:53.560 to die

02:00:54.060 the other 0.99

02:00:55.180 that she's a victim

02:00:56.340 of a conspiracy

02:00:57.160 far deeper

02:00:58.160 than anyone imagined

02:00:59.440 the evidence is mounting

02:01:01.040 but the truth

02:01:01.920 still up for debate

02:01:03.420 stay with us

02:01:04.580 as we continue

02:01:05.220 to give you

02:01:05.700 the biggest moments

02:01:06.680 in the trial

02:01:07.340 all right

02:01:08.060 now let's get

02:01:08.440 into week two

02:01:08.920 chat

02:01:09.180 we are on the record

02:01:10.560 breaking down

02:01:11.220 the biggest moments

02:01:12.260 from inside the courtroom

02:01:13.480 of the karen reed

02:01:14.300 murder retrial

02:01:15.080 and we'll go through

02:01:16.040 each week chat

02:01:16.780 i'm your host

02:01:17.360 cody thomas

02:01:17.900 it's week two

02:01:18.780 and this

02:01:19.380 so all of you guys

02:01:19.920 are ready

02:01:20.120 get your popcorn ready

02:01:20.900 i'm gonna take a piss 0.99

02:01:21.600 real quick and get

02:01:22.200 something and we're

02:01:22.840 gonna keep uh

02:01:23.580 kind of just going

02:01:24.160 through this

02:01:24.600 this retrial

02:01:25.640 um because like i said

02:01:27.100 this is a big case

02:01:27.740 you guys have been

02:01:28.120 asking for for a minute

02:01:28.920 so we'll kind of go

02:01:29.540 through this with a

02:01:30.060 fine-toothed comb

02:01:30.640 and uh go through

02:01:32.000 all the testimony

02:01:32.720 uh so we'll get a

02:01:34.540 longer stream for you guys

02:01:35.480 today and i'll give you

02:01:36.600 kind of give you guys

02:01:37.160 my commentary on the

02:01:38.040 side uh with what's

02:01:39.580 going on as you guys

02:01:40.220 know myrongainsex.com

02:01:41.880 it's a super chat in

02:01:42.900 uh there or you can

02:01:44.140 rumble rant in uh or

02:01:45.640 cows club in whatever

02:01:46.480 you guys want i'm reading

02:01:47.820 five and up um so yeah

02:01:51.220 this case just got more

02:01:54.080 technical more emotional

02:01:55.360 and all right give me

02:01:56.240 one sec i'm gonna take

02:01:57.180 a quick whiz

02:01:57.780 and i'll be right back

02:02:02.500 we're gonna get into

02:02:03.060 week two

02:02:05.480 week two

02:02:07.180 you

02:02:35.480 Thank you.

02:03:05.480 Thank you.

02:03:35.480 This week, the spotlight turned to forensics, Google searches, and key witness testimony

02:03:40.000 with tensions high on both sides.

02:03:42.320 If you're just now joining us, let's get you caught up on the case.

02:03:46.080 I'm declaring a mistrial in this case.

02:03:48.540 After deliberating in Dedham over five days, a mistrial in the case against Karen Reed.

02:03:54.040 We will not stop fighting.

02:03:55.700 We have no...

02:03:56.460 Faces a new jury.

02:03:58.200 And new special prosecutor Hank Brennan plans...

02:04:00.320 I'm fast-forwarding this stuff because we saw before from the other one.

02:04:03.220 It's windy.

02:04:04.240 So I drop him off.

02:04:05.060 He goes up the drive.

02:04:06.420 There was witness Jennifer McCabe's controversial could have occurred from 82 degrees shortly

02:04:11.160 after...

02:04:11.600 All right.

02:04:13.640 Now we're getting into week two.

02:04:14.540 Did you share with us when you first became aware of the data in this case and how that

02:04:19.300 came about?

02:04:20.060 Yes.

02:04:20.520 It was actually one of the public...

02:04:22.540 And remember, guys, he's the one that said that the text message about how long to die

02:04:26.440 in the cold, he's saying that the text messages only came out at basically 6.20 in the morning

02:04:33.660 or whatever he said before.

02:04:34.460 But basically, he was debunking the whole 2 a.m. one.

02:04:39.140 Okay.

02:04:39.420 And this guy works for Cellbrite, a.k.a. the people that extract phones.

02:04:42.200 Relations managers at Cellbrite, who reached out to me or to my team because he'd heard

02:04:46.640 about this case, about the confusion regarding a timestamp.

02:04:50.360 And can you share with us what was the issue?

02:04:52.500 What was the question that you were actually looking into?

02:04:55.840 The question was related to a timestamp of 227.40 a.m.

02:05:00.900 And an instant query that appeared to have occurred at that time, 227.40, which was the

02:05:08.900 time of interest.

02:05:10.620 And we see that a browser switch occurs, causing the last visited timestamp to take on the time

02:05:17.100 of 227.40.

02:05:18.860 This is the tab that was ultimately used to search HOS long to die in cold, which is the

02:05:25.200 query that started all of the confusion.

02:05:27.980 At this point in time, there is no navigational events recorded anywhere.

02:05:34.660 All we see is that the web page that was brought into view is ozonebasketball.com slash teams.

02:05:41.840 This web page was last visited at 14 minutes after midnight on the 26th of January.

02:05:47.700 At 227.42, there is a web navigation event.

02:05:51.720 Whether this is loaded from a bookmark or whether it's typed in, I can't say, but a web navigation

02:05:58.540 event occurs using the same tab that's just been loaded.

02:06:03.560 And now the user is loading the web page, hocamocksports.com slash standings.

02:06:08.940 A few seconds later, at 6.23.51, the blue button at the bottom of the keyboard is used to submit

02:06:16.000 a search for the term, how long to die in Kikti.

02:06:22.240 Importantly, there is no history record made that shows that a navigation actually occurred

02:06:28.260 to this website.

02:06:29.880 Around 10.33.34, that tab would have been closed.

02:06:32.940 Was that the same tab, that 227.40 tab opened for hocamock sports, was that the same tab

02:06:39.980 that later was used?

02:06:42.200 That's crazy, man.

02:06:43.160 They have every single keystroke chat.

02:06:45.260 Isn't that wild?

02:06:46.780 Every single keystroke.

02:06:48.220 By the way, I got some protein chips and some blueberries. 1.00

02:06:54.600 This is how you don't become a fat nigga. 1.00

02:06:56.300 For searches or attempted searches at 6.23.51 and at 6.24, relative to how long or how's 0.99

02:07:05.640 long to die in Kikti?

02:07:06.800 I believe it was, yes.

02:07:08.060 Do you have an opinion to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty, whether or not that

02:07:12.940 information was removed as a natural application of the phone, or was it because somebody took

02:07:18.820 the phone and actually deleted it by hand?

02:07:20.740 So, again, I don't believe it's possible, given the situation and the information that's

02:07:26.060 available, that it would have been possible for the user to delete it.

02:07:29.140 I believe it was more than likely a system event that caused that, but I've not been able

02:07:33.400 to replicate that system event.

02:07:35.000 Did you analyze John O'Keefe's phone on the evening, early morning hours through the next

02:07:41.120 morning on January 29th, 2022, in an attempt to identify where he was, what he was doing,

02:07:50.580 and whether his phone was inside or outside?

02:07:53.020 That was my goal, yes.

02:07:54.980 At 24 minutes and 36 seconds, traveling at 3.2 miles an hour.

02:07:59.660 At 24 minutes and 37 seconds, traveling at 1.4 miles an hour.

02:08:04.120 Finally, the device comes to a complete stop at 24 minutes and 38 seconds.

02:08:09.060 Before that complete stop, was the car continuously moving at some speed?

02:08:15.800 Yes, this is the first record that shows 0 miles per hour or 0 meters per second.

02:08:22.140 Prior to this, there was always a record that showed some level of speed.

02:08:27.340 Did this car or the phone that was in the car ever stop at the driveway of that address?

02:08:32.460 No, according to the location and the speed data from the device, by the time it was approximately

02:08:40.560 the driveway, the phone reports it was still traveling at around 15.9 miles an hour.

02:08:46.600 When this car stops, or this phone stops at 12.24.33, how close is the phone to that flagpole?

02:08:53.760 No. I believe very close.

02:08:56.500 And you never, do you ever see the car or the phone stop anywhere near that driveway?

02:09:05.380 No.

02:09:06.440 At 31 minutes and 56 seconds until 32 minutes and 16 seconds, there were 36 steps recorded.

02:09:13.620 And then there was no further health activity recorded on the device for several hours until

02:09:20.920 four minutes after 6 a.m.

02:09:24.760 So you guys, this is why you don't commit a crime with a cell phone on your pocket. 0.99

02:09:28.180 Bros can literally get all this fucking detail on your stuff. 1.00

02:09:33.880 Absolutely wild what cell phone track. 0.99

02:09:35.800 When a 432 steps were recorded between the time of 6.04 and 6.11.

02:09:44.960 So on the evening of the 29th, sorry, the 28th, see an average temperature of around mid-80

02:09:53.220 degree Fahrenheit.

02:09:54.860 By 37 minutes after midnight, we now know the device is already at Fairview.

02:10:00.140 It's been at Fairview for approximately 12 minutes.

02:10:03.220 And the temperature has continued to drop.

02:10:06.100 It's now 72 Fahrenheit.

02:10:08.840 And then you're now at 6.14 and it's 37 degrees?

02:10:13.280 Yeah, correct.

02:10:14.160 This is the coldest temperature recorded.

02:10:16.480 Do you know what if anything happened to that phone at 6.15.01?

02:10:21.140 I don't know.

02:10:22.400 32 minutes and 4 seconds, the device is unlocked using Face ID.

02:10:27.220 SMS application is already on screen from the previous use.

02:10:29.900 And at 32 minutes and 9 seconds, the lock button is pressed by the user.

02:10:35.020 My opinion is that the device never moved far away from the flagpole.

02:10:46.240 Details are absolutely wild.

02:10:47.800 Jennifer McCabe, one of the prosecution's star witnesses, took the stand on day six.

02:10:54.660 She described searching for O'Keefe with Karen Reed and Carrie Roberts on the morning

02:10:59.140 of January 29th.

02:11:00.780 She claimed that as they approached the house on Fairview Road, Reed became hysterical, kicking

02:11:05.860 the door and yelling, there he is, let me out.

02:11:09.000 McCabe recalled Reed asking, did I hit him?

02:11:11.780 She testified that neither Reed nor O'Keefe entered her sister's home that night and that

02:11:20.280 no fighting, no violence and nothing out of sorts occurred in the house.

02:11:25.480 Meanwhile, two controversial ARCA experts from the defense, Daniel Wolf and Andrew Rensselaer,

02:11:31.460 were cleared by the judge to testify.

02:11:33.380 And once again, the defense bringing their own witnesses like this is not normal, guys.

02:11:43.420 That's what makes this trial so entertaining.

02:11:45.060 They're bringing in their own witnesses.

02:11:46.100 As a general matter, is the Waze application more accurate than the Apple information regarding

02:12:02.880 location?

02:12:04.080 It's the same thing.

02:12:05.220 It's the same thing because it's coming essentially from the same source, correct?

02:12:08.680 Yes, Apple provides that information to Waze.

02:12:10.640 You focused your testimony and your opinions on the smaller black circle, correct? 0.97

02:12:21.900 Correct.

02:12:22.700 The fair way to interpret, and this is what you put in your report, this is your depiction,

02:12:30.960 is that based upon what you said yesterday, the phone could be at the very edge of the top

02:12:39.000 of the circle, correct?

02:12:39.920 Correct.

02:12:40.720 And the phone could also be at any point, so you can, in theory, put a phone anywhere around

02:12:49.140 the very edges of that entire circle, correct?

02:12:54.260 There's caveats to that, but yes.

02:12:55.880 In June of 2024, when you testified under oath, the situation with the forensic tools was

02:13:06.100 CELEBRITE Forensics Insights did not show the 227.40 a.m. time stamp, but another version

02:13:16.600 of Physical Analyzer did show it, correct?

02:13:19.400 Correct.

02:13:19.820 In that second program, that second tool, Physical Analyzer, not only showed it at 227.40 a.m.,

02:13:29.040 but it showed it as a deleted state, correct?

02:13:32.160 It's a deleted record, yes.

02:13:33.280 So, with regard to the first proceeding, there was one CELEBRITE Forensic Tool that still

02:13:45.280 showed the 227.40 a.m. time stamp.

02:13:49.440 Correct.

02:13:49.700 Now, the reason why this is so important, guys, for the prosecution, because this is

02:13:55.280 the prosecution right now, because if I'm not mistaken, this CELEBRITE guy is the defense's

02:14:01.260 witness.

02:14:01.760 So, the prosecution is cross-examining him, okay?

02:14:04.540 So, the reason why the state is really focused on this 227 timeline is because they're trying

02:14:12.500 to show that her asking that beforehand shows guilt and awareness of what she was doing versus

02:14:21.580 what the defense is saying, where the defense is alleging that that search was done after

02:14:27.420 they found his body and, excuse me, after he found his body and trying to figure out how long does it

02:14:35.320 take for someone to die from the cold.

02:14:37.740 Does that make sense, guys?

02:14:38.560 So, obviously, very different.

02:14:40.040 So, one at 227, prosecutor's saying, hey, she said that at 227 because she had ideas, she knew

02:14:45.740 what she was doing and she tried to kill him.

02:14:47.540 The defense is saying, no, she put that search in there so that she could figure out how long

02:14:55.800 it takes for someone to die, because they were trying to resuscitate him.

02:15:00.020 However, the competitor of CELEBRITE that we just talked about, Magnet Frank's axiom.

02:15:06.780 Yes.

02:15:09.480 That program at the first proceeding showed the 227.

02:15:14.120 Basically, prosecution wants 227, defense wants 6 a.m.

02:15:17.880 Make it simple for y'all.

02:15:19.180 After 6 a.m.

02:15:20.060 The defense wants after 6, the prosecution is posting for the 227.

02:15:24.380 227, 40 a.m.

02:15:26.900 Time today, correct?

02:15:27.900 Correct.

02:15:28.980 And as a matter of fact, as you sit here today, the Magnet Forensics Program, Axiom, still shows.

02:15:37.820 Now, Axiom is the software that they use for the report after it's done from the CELEBRITE,

02:15:44.060 by the way.

02:15:44.980 Axiom, this came up in the Diddy case, actually, while I was in New York, guys.

02:15:48.400 Axiom, once all the stuff is extracted from the CELEBRITE, well, it's a bunch of raw data.

02:15:53.400 It's very difficult to read and interpret.

02:15:54.680 It has a bunch of numbers and lines and all this other shit.

02:15:56.800 So it needs to be put in a format where it's easy to read and decipher.

02:16:00.460 That's where the Axiom report comes in.

02:16:03.060 That's what he's referring to in this.

02:16:04.740 The 227, 4 a.m.

02:16:07.440 timestamp, correct?

02:16:08.560 As far as I know, yes.

02:16:09.700 And Magnet Forensic Axiom is a reputable company, correct?

02:16:15.120 Correct.

02:16:16.760 CELEBRITE removed that 227, 4 a.m.

02:16:22.440 timestamp, which is in a deleted state, in response to issues raised in the first proceeding,

02:16:29.340 correct?

02:16:29.580 It was changed because of the research that I did, and that was verified by the Forensic

02:16:35.320 Research Group.

02:16:36.200 But the issue arose because of what had come up in the first proceeding, correct?

02:16:40.560 In the first investigation prior to the proceeding, yes.

02:16:42.860 In the first investigation in this case, correct?

02:16:45.480 Yes.

02:16:47.060 So CELEBRITE, after the first proceeding, after the investigation, just outright went and

02:16:53.560 removed the timestamp.

02:16:54.560 Oh, see what the prosecution is trying to do here?

02:16:59.220 Again, prosecution is trying to discredit this witness and say, look, you guys removed

02:17:06.220 this critical timestamp that shows that Reed is culpable for the murder.

02:17:13.980 That's why they're harping on this so much, Chad.

02:17:16.840 It's not unusual to change the code.

02:17:19.040 I didn't ask you if you, I just asked you whether they removed it.

02:17:21.840 Are you a detective in your present role, helping aid one side or another in an-

02:17:27.660 Wait, you're saying that's- no, no, no, Chad, hold on.

02:17:41.280 No, that doesn't make sense.

02:17:42.720 Is the CELEBRITE guy the government's- the state's witness?

02:17:46.200 Let me double check.

02:17:47.280 I'll double check, Chad.

02:17:48.240 I'll fact check it right now.

02:17:50.080 Investigation.

02:17:50.480 I'm not, no.

02:17:51.980 At some point, you and I spoke about reviewing phones?

02:17:55.860 We did.

02:17:56.400 You had begun your whole process in some of this work before you had met me.

02:17:59.940 Correct.

02:18:00.960 And I'd ask you to look at Mr. O'Keefe's phone?

02:18:03.600 Correct.

02:18:04.300 Did I ever tell you what you should look for?

02:18:06.620 No.

02:18:07.300 Did I ever tell you what I wanted to see or what I wanted the results to be?

02:18:11.240 No.

02:18:11.880 Did I ever share with you parts of the investigation that had nothing to do with your actual data analysis?

02:18:19.520 No.

02:18:20.020 Is that the only time that the phone moves from the point it stops at the flagpole until the next morning?

02:18:28.220 Correct.

02:18:28.880 The only time?

02:18:29.760 Correct.

02:18:30.060 12-31-56 to 12-32-16?

02:18:34.300 Yes.

02:18:34.600 At 12-32-16, when that phone stops moving, John O'Keefe's phone stops moving, do you know the next time it moves again?

02:18:43.220 It's approximately 6-15.

02:18:44.920 Less than five minutes later, 12-37, that battery in that cell phone gets another temperature reading, and it goes down to what degrees?

02:18:54.640 72 degrees.

02:18:56.140 And over the next eight minutes, does that temperature even or go up?

02:19:00.680 At 43 minutes past, there was another reading of 66 Fahrenheit.

02:19:05.240 And then at 12-53, that's about, what, 21 minutes or so after that phone stops moving?

02:19:13.260 What's the temperature?

02:19:14.320 61 Fahrenheit.

02:19:15.800 61 degrees?

02:19:17.020 Yes.

02:19:18.000 And over the next 14 minutes, does it drop again?

02:19:22.260 It does.

02:19:23.000 It drops to 55 degrees.

02:19:25.620 Yes, yes.

02:19:26.140 I know, guys, it's McCabe's phone that they're searching here.

02:19:29.340 No, I understand that.

02:19:30.440 But what I'm saying is, that's a little weird because he's hurting their case by saying it's at 6 a.m. 0.98

02:19:36.440 That's what I'm trying to figure out, how the fuck this guy is a state witness. 0.95

02:19:40.040 Let me, I'll look into this, guys. 0.98

02:19:42.640 We'll keep watching.

02:19:43.560 It's at 1-07.

02:19:45.300 And at 1-36 a.m. that morning?

02:19:48.120 It's down to 50 degrees.

02:19:49.380 Does this health care data show that this phone hasn't moved since 12-32-16?

02:19:55.220 No more steps were recorded.

02:20:02.240 How close is your friendship with John O'Keefe at that time?

02:20:05.980 He was a very good friend of mine that I knew I could call for anything.

02:20:10.180 My sister, Nicole, sent me a text and said that she was going to be at the waterfall.

02:20:16.800 And it was my nephew's birthday.

02:20:18.720 He was going to meet up.

02:20:20.160 And did I want to come by for a drink?

02:20:21.680 When the group was together, you mentioned a number of people have joined.

02:20:25.460 Were you joined by other people later?

02:20:27.520 Yes.

02:20:28.380 Who were you joined by later?

02:20:30.380 John O'Keefe and Karen Reed.

02:20:38.560 Oh, my bad, guys.

02:20:39.480 I had it mixed up.

02:20:41.020 He is a state witness.

02:20:43.020 My bad, Chad.

02:20:43.500 McCabe returned for a second day of testimony on day seven.

02:20:47.920 And defense attorney Alan Jackson did not hold back.

02:20:51.840 He accused her of potentially coordinating her story with witness Carrie Roberts, a claim McCabe denied.

02:20:58.320 Jackson then challenged McCabe's credibility, bringing up her statements to outside investigators.

02:21:03.200 McCabe initially said she called just two people after the incident.

02:21:06.960 But under Cross, she admitted to three more calls, including one to John O'Keefe's mother, Peggy O'Keefe.

02:21:13.960 She also confirmed she did not hear a collision or a cry for help outside the house.

02:21:18.720 But perhaps the most incriminating moment, when asked if Karen Reed said,

02:21:23.740 I hit him at the scene, McCabe testified, quote,

02:21:26.800 I was there the morning of January 29th when your client said,

02:21:30.560 I hit him, I hit him, I hit him.

02:21:43.260 Before the chest compressions, did you make a phone call?

02:21:46.580 I called 911.

02:21:48.280 I was in shock.

02:21:50.920 My heart was racing.

02:21:52.440 I was trying to be as helpful as I could and get the information to the most important information out as quick as I could to the 911 operators.

02:22:06.980 But also the scene there with Karen and. 0.95

02:22:12.020 OK, so sorry, guys, let me clarify this shit. 0.98

02:22:14.520 That's my bad. 0.98

02:22:15.120 So basically, right, the prosecution needs it to be at 6 a.m., right?

02:22:22.200 Because for it to be at 6 a.m., because McCabe, this chick right here, right, this chick right here, it was on her phone, right?

02:22:34.080 The search was on her phone, how long to die in the cold?

02:22:36.360 And the prosecution, and she's a prosecution witness, so they need it to be at 6.23 a.m.

02:22:40.780 so that they can say, look, this was after they discovered his body, that she searched this to see how long he had been there.

02:22:46.440 But the defense is saying that at 2.22 a.m. that she did the search because they had beat him in the house and then left him for death in the cold.

02:22:54.380 That's what the defense is saying.

02:22:55.760 So she searched it four hours earlier because at that point here had already been outside of the house and they beat him.

02:23:04.360 That's what it is.

02:23:05.060 So sorry about that, guys, that confusion.

02:23:06.480 The most important information out as quick as I could to the 9-1-1.

02:23:14.420 So, in short, the prosecution needs a 6.23 timestamp.

02:23:18.380 The defense needs a 2.22 timestamp.

02:23:21.040 Or to make it even simpler, the prosecution needs a 6 a.m. timestamp.

02:23:25.060 The defense needs a 2 a.m. timestamp.

02:23:27.800 Because the prosecutor is saying that she rightfully searched how long it takes to die in the cold after finding McCabe's body at around 6 o'clock. 0.97

02:23:34.100 And then the defense is saying, no, she knew that he was dying at around 2 o'clock because they had whooped his ass before and threw him outside of the house. 0.95

02:23:40.800 That's why she searched it. 0.91

02:23:42.380 So those are the two different conflicting narratives here.

02:23:46.900 Sorry for that, guys.

02:23:48.000 I hope I didn't confuse you guys too much.

02:23:51.900 But that's what it is.

02:23:53.960 And here she is right here.

02:23:54.940 And she's one of the main witnesses for the government or, well, the state.

02:23:58.640 Operators, but also the scene there with Karen and Carrie was a bit chaotic between the two of them.

02:24:09.640 So I was just trying my best to be as calm as I could to get help there as fast as I could and to answer their questions the best that I could.

02:24:19.440 Before you told the 911 operator, John O'Keefe's name and his age, you said there's a man in the snow.

02:24:28.980 Do you know why you chose those words?

02:24:31.040 I think I just wanted to get out the most specific details.

02:24:35.520 So a man in the snow versus, you know, John O'Keefe and into a story.

02:24:41.720 He was bleeding from the face area.

02:24:43.980 Was that before or after he was moved?

02:24:47.040 After.

02:24:47.520 Any point during the time when you tried to help Mr. O'Keefe and the first police officer arrived at any point, did you see any signs of life from Mr. O'Keefe?

02:24:57.200 No.

02:24:57.960 The police officer, not sure specific.

02:25:01.660 I do remember him asking about John.

02:25:05.880 I think he said, is he a drug user?

02:25:07.540 He was just asking some basic questions.

02:25:10.920 And what's the environment?

02:25:12.520 What's going on around you?

02:25:13.580 Karen's just running around crazy, like just yelling, screaming, kind of like a ping pong. 1.00

02:25:22.260 One of the offices thought it would be best if maybe she went and just sat in one of the cruises for a little bit because she was just doing a lot of screaming and yelling. 1.00

02:25:31.220 And I think they were just trying to, you know, get, you know, work on John and make the scene a little less chaotic.

02:25:38.400 She started yelling and pulling on me to Google hypothermia and Google how long it takes for somebody, you know, to die in the cold.

02:25:46.860 Was this the first time that morning after the defendant asked you to search that you searched that phrase?

02:25:52.480 Yes, it was.

02:25:53.980 Did you hear or do you remember the defendant saying anything to the first responder?

02:25:58.060 Yes.

02:25:58.660 What did she say?

02:26:00.700 She told the first responder, I hit him, I hit him, I hit him.

02:26:05.460 When she told the first responder, I hit him, how did you react?

02:26:09.420 I was like startled, kind of like, what are you saying?

02:26:13.000 What are you talking about?

02:26:14.260 Did you say anything to the defendant?

02:26:15.620 I think after the second or third time she was saying it, I was like, Karen, Karen, what are you saying?

02:26:21.640 I was extremely concerned.

02:26:24.900 I was calling Kerry, trying to get updates.

02:26:28.320 I think deep down I knew that John was gone.

02:26:32.880 But, you know, until you hear it, I think there was that little bit of hope maybe.

02:26:39.420 Did you speak to her again later that day?

02:26:41.380 No, I think I texted her asking her for Kerry's number because I didn't have it.

02:26:47.660 Did you hear back?

02:26:49.120 No.

02:26:49.720 Did you ever speak to Ms. Reed again?

02:26:51.600 No, I've never spoken to her again.

02:26:54.480 Neither one of you, your good friend Kerry Roberts and you, have ever discussed either of your testimonies between that time and this time?

02:27:04.360 No, we've discussed the case and we've discussed what happened to that moment, the moments of the morning, but we have not discussed testimony.

02:27:15.700 As you said, that's your story, correct?

02:27:17.980 Not my story.

02:27:19.060 It's the truth.

02:27:20.440 Did you practice your testimony with any member of the DA's office?

02:27:24.780 No.

02:27:25.600 How long in total would you say?

02:27:27.760 Wait, that's not true. 0.99

02:27:28.940 Bro, they prepare you for fucking trial. 0.98

02:27:31.060 They prepare you for trial, so you kind of do practice your testimony. 1.00

02:27:36.200 This is very common in trials.

02:27:38.200 That doesn't make sense.

02:27:39.400 This chick is over here lying. 1.00

02:27:40.840 Antoine says, debating whether to use my 4K bonus play down 0% business credit cards to get more funding, Section 8 real estate.

02:27:47.100 From this, I have no idea who that guy is, bro. 0.90

02:27:50.560 Samir with Juanis, Econ Remains or shit? 0.96

02:27:58.900 Hold on one sec. 0.99

02:28:01.060 Oh, from our guy, Samir. 1.00

02:28:09.740 Shit, my bad. 1.00

02:28:11.780 Yeah, dude. 1.00

02:28:12.340 I mean, look.

02:28:14.860 If you want to do that, you can.

02:28:16.280 I would just say, like, make sure you have money saved, bro.

02:28:18.840 Like, don't waste all your money on a course.

02:28:20.820 Like, make sure you have some money still.

02:28:22.840 Like, you know.

02:28:24.620 Because, like, the problem is that a lot of you guys will buy a course and you guys will go broke.

02:28:28.080 Yeah, sorry.

02:28:28.500 The way you spelled his name threw me off.

02:28:30.660 But, yeah, yeah.

02:28:31.280 No, Sam, we had him on the show a bit before.

02:28:34.380 No, he's a nice guy, man.

02:28:35.660 But, like I said before, I would say if you're going to spend that kind of money, I don't know if it's a course of 4K.

02:28:41.380 Is it that much?

02:28:42.200 I don't know how much it costs.

02:28:44.100 Just make sure you have some money, bro.

02:28:46.520 Make sure you have some money saved.

02:28:47.660 Don't spend all your money on a course.

02:28:52.880 All of those meetings were.

02:28:55.880 I really can't give you an estimate.

02:28:58.120 I think the first one was fairly quick.

02:29:00.380 The second one, you know, one of them was a little bit longer, maybe a couple hours.

02:29:04.060 You were contacted by another law enforcement agency that was not Massachusetts State Police and not Canton Police Department at one point in April of 2023.

02:29:18.360 Do you remember that?

02:29:19.360 Yes.

02:29:19.760 You were contacted at your residence by these members of this law enforcement agency, correct?

02:29:25.080 Yes.

02:29:25.360 During the course of that interview, those officers informed you very specifically, Ms. McCabe, that it is a crime to lie to them, even during an interview, correct?

02:29:38.280 Yes.

02:29:38.880 One of the first calls you made after being contacted by these other law enforcement officers from a different agency, one of the first calls you made was to Carrie Roberts.

02:29:49.400 Is that right?

02:29:51.980 She was the first one.

02:29:54.200 That's what I'm asking.

02:29:55.100 One of the first two calls you made, your husband.

02:29:58.400 Right.

02:29:58.940 And Carrie Roberts. 0.79

02:30:00.180 Okay.

02:30:00.860 Yes.

02:30:01.540 Your motive in calling Carrie Roberts at that moment before your interview was to ensure that your story would line up with her story, Ms. McCabe.

02:30:12.100 Isn't that right?

02:30:13.680 No, that is not.

02:30:15.780 You wanted to find out if she had talked to these particular law enforcement officers and what she had told them.

02:30:22.820 So, as you guys know, you know, corroboration is critical when it comes to witness testimony.

02:30:28.560 So, and this is why actually in a Diddy case, again, use that as an example, they brought

02:30:34.700 on like two of Diddy's assistants and other people so they can create what's called foundation.

02:30:39.040 And when they're doing that, what they're doing is they're trying to show like, look,

02:30:43.500 you know, let's say Cassie, right, with the whole grape situation.

02:30:48.960 I told you guys before how, like, you know, you can interpret it as her lying.

02:30:53.360 Well, the thing is, is that when there's other people corroborating her story with her timeline and stuff like that,

02:30:57.800 it does add credibility to what she's saying.

02:30:59.660 So, a lot of times what the prosecution will do is they'll bring people in that have almost the same narrative

02:31:06.040 to corroborate and bolster up other witnesses who might not be as credible.

02:31:13.000 So that your story could somehow align or it could inform how you responded to questions that they asked you.

02:31:20.160 Isn't that true?

02:31:21.180 That's not true.

02:31:22.140 We both know what happened.

02:31:23.300 We don't have to have a story.

02:31:25.160 There is no story.

02:31:26.320 There's what happened.

02:31:27.340 And that's it.

02:31:27.800 We don't have to have a story.

02:31:36.700 McRae Jackson scrutinized her evolving statements and phone calls and texts.

02:31:40.640 She adamantly defended herself and any of her actions.

02:31:45.060 Meanwhile, forensic scientist Hannah Knowles testified that retrograde analysis estimated Reed's blood alcohol content was between 0.14% and 0.28% around 12.45 a.m.

02:31:57.060 Well over Massachusetts legal limit of 0.08%.

02:32:01.680 You're aware that your phone records actually show that at 5.07, you called the 34 Fairview, Nicole Alberts, correct?

02:32:18.960 Correct.

02:32:19.480 Correct.

02:32:20.980 You actually spoke to your sister, Nicole, that morning?

02:32:24.740 I did not speak to my sister, no.

02:32:26.840 So that 38-second call went to voicemail?

02:32:31.160 I'm not sure.

02:32:32.000 All I can tell you is I never spoke to my sister, Nicole, that morning.

02:32:35.020 There's nothing nefarious.

02:32:36.920 I remembered who I called.

02:32:39.340 I didn't go back and look at phone records.

02:32:41.120 I didn't say it was nefarious.

02:32:42.540 Why would you use the word nefarious?

02:32:44.540 Because there's nothing about me calling my sister that is nefarious.

02:32:50.380 And I feel like you're insinuating it might be.

02:32:52.600 And it's not.

02:32:53.580 You've indicated on direct exam.

02:32:55.520 That's definitely what it's insinuating.

02:32:57.020 Examination and earlier on cross-examination that you had multiple phone calls to Mr. O'Keefe.

02:33:04.220 Hey, guys, let's get to 1,500 likes, man. 0.98

02:33:07.780 Let's get this, um, let's get this, uh, let's get this shit up, man. 0.98

02:33:12.260 Let's get to 1,500 likes, ninjas. 0.99

02:33:13.940 In the early morning hours of January 29th, 2022, correct?

02:33:17.080 Correct.

02:33:17.780 Ms. McCabe, these are, there's seven calls.

02:33:20.480 What's your explanation?

02:33:21.980 I think I was going back and forth to the door.

02:33:24.560 I was texting him.

02:33:25.860 I think I put my phone in my pocket.

02:33:27.820 I think I inadvertently maybe have called him.

02:33:31.100 What did you call it at the last hearing?

02:33:32.540 Um, I believe I called it a butt dial.

02:33:36.440 And it's not just one butt dial, correct?

02:33:38.920 There could be multiple, yes.

02:33:40.460 Seven butt dials in the course of 19 minutes.

02:33:43.180 And we only know about these calls because you're looking at an extraction of John O'Keefe's phone, correct?

02:33:49.820 Correct, but I also turned over my phone so you could have gotten all of that off of my phone as well.

02:33:54.700 And you're well aware that an extraction was done on your phone and not one of those butt dials appears on your phone extraction, correct?

02:34:03.920 Objection.

02:34:04.780 Are you aware of that?

02:34:05.900 I am not aware of that.

02:34:07.300 You Google searched the phrase, Huss long to die in cold.

02:34:11.620 Yes or no?

02:34:12.340 Yes.

02:34:13.540 On January 29th, correct?

02:34:15.880 Yes.

02:34:16.320 You agree that there was a search done at 2.27 a.m., correct?

02:34:21.220 I don't recall doing a search at 2.27.

02:34:24.000 The paper says it.

02:34:25.100 I don't.

02:34:25.800 Do you deny that you deleted a Google search off your phone?

02:34:29.020 I never deleted a Google search off my phone.

02:34:32.260 So you deny?

02:34:32.800 Never did that.

02:34:33.600 I deny it, yes. 0.99

02:34:34.540 Okay, now we're really getting into the shit, man. 0.99

02:34:36.660 Here we go. 0.99

02:34:38.680 Now he's getting into the part where he really needs to know because this is obviously a critical moment right now.

02:34:45.120 Because this is one of the state's main witnesses and they're trying to attack your credibility about this Google search.

02:34:51.240 Or deleted a Google search.

02:34:52.680 Yes.

02:34:54.360 I never made the search.

02:34:55.820 So you have a situation where a man is laying dead or dying in the front yard of your sister's house.

02:35:04.820 You see nothing in terms of life inside the house.

02:35:09.560 Lights aren't coming on.

02:35:10.800 They're not getting up.

02:35:12.020 They're certainly not coming outside.

02:35:13.480 Did you think your sister might have been in peril?

02:35:16.300 Did you think to go inside the house and check that they're okay?

02:35:19.860 I had no reason to think that they weren't okay.

02:35:23.280 You had no reason to believe they weren't okay.

02:35:25.320 A man was dead or dying on their lawn and your sister's not entering the phone.

02:35:29.540 And nobody is coming out to the chaos.

02:35:31.460 Look at her smiling.

02:35:32.960 Karen Reed screaming on the front lawn.

02:35:35.700 You didn't think there was some reason to believe they could have been in peril?

02:35:39.540 I didn't because your client was screaming, she hit him.

02:35:42.500 She had a cracked taillight.

02:35:44.220 She was crying, she hit him.

02:35:45.660 I didn't.

02:35:46.260 But my focus.

02:35:48.060 Can I finish, please?

02:35:49.220 You had solved the crime right then and there.

02:35:51.220 You solved the whole case.

02:35:52.240 No, I didn't.

02:35:53.060 I knew John never came in the house, so I had no concern for anyone's safety inside the house.

02:35:58.400 The reason you didn't go inside the house is because you knew better.

02:36:03.820 You knew better.

02:36:05.480 You knew she wasn't in peril.

02:36:07.300 You knew that Brian Albert wasn't in peril.

02:36:09.480 You weren't worried at all about them, were you?

02:36:12.580 I was not worried at all because something happened on the front lawn that had nothing to do with anything inside that house.

02:36:21.640 And just so you guys know, the reason why she's covering for them so hard is because her brother-in-law, okay, Brian Albert, the cop, he's the one that owned that house at 34 Fairview.

02:36:33.640 You weren't worried about them at all because you knew what really happened.

02:36:40.700 At that moment, I didn't know that he was hit by a vehicle and there was taillight found next to him.

02:36:45.800 And that wraps week two.

02:36:56.620 All right, now we got week three right here.

02:37:00.860 Testimony from 74 witnesses during the nine-week trial.

02:37:05.060 And all of a sudden, Karen said, there he is, there he is.

02:37:07.960 Let me the F out of this car.

02:37:09.620 And she started kicking the door. 1.00

02:37:11.380 I hit him.

02:37:12.080 I hit him. 0.95

02:37:12.720 She repeated, I hit him.

02:37:15.360 And then she was saying, did I hit him?

02:37:17.320 Could I have hit him?

02:37:18.780 And then.

02:37:19.240 They got her on the stand multiple days.

02:37:20.900 And she proceeded to say that she had a cracked taillight. 0.97

02:37:24.920 With no video or eyewitnesses, the first trial turned into a battle of the experts.

02:37:31.160 The vehicle traveled up to 24 miles per hour in approximately half on the morning of the 20th.

02:37:36.680 Lead investigator, Trent Brennan, plans to introduce new evidence, including molds made by SUVs, and possibly the defendant taking the stand.

02:37:48.640 And you also mentioned to the media that.

02:37:51.560 OK, I was just fast forwarding through that stuff.

02:37:54.800 Let's see here.

02:37:55.960 There are some things that you wish that you could clarify.

02:38:03.320 Is there anything?

02:38:04.460 They'll be clarified one day, Matt.

02:38:06.360 They'll be clarified.

02:38:07.780 It might not be live, but it will be.

02:38:10.800 We're on the record, bringing you the biggest moments from the Karen Reed murder retrial.

02:38:15.600 I'm your host, Cody Thomas.

02:38:16.940 And today we're diving into week three, where evidence got colder, but the courtroom heat kicked up a notch.

02:38:23.460 This week, forensic analysis, first responder testimony, digital footprints, and questions about law enforcement integrity all collided in the courtroom.

02:38:33.800 Let's jump right into day nine.

02:38:35.400 Ryan Nagel and Heather Maxson, who were at the Alberts' home to pick up Nagel's sister, testified that they saw a woman in a black SUV outside the Albert home.

02:38:44.280 Maxson recalled seeing a man in the passenger seat briefly, but by the time they drove away, only the woman remained.

02:38:52.360 The jury also heard from Sarah Levinson, an Albert party guest, who confirmed she left with the McCaves at around 1.30 a.m.

02:38:59.820 and saw no sign of O'Keefe in the yard.

02:39:02.440 EMT Katie McLaughlin recounted her brief but disturbing interaction with Karen.

02:39:07.080 Just so you guys know, the other law enforcement agency that came to talk to McCabe was the FBI.

02:39:11.020 Basically, what happened was McCabe admitted to lying to the FBI about who she was and phone calls she made when agents approached her in April 2023.

02:39:21.620 And Reed, she testified...

02:39:22.760 That's who they were referring to when they said the other law enforcement agency.

02:39:25.440 ...that Reed kept repeating, I hit him, I hit him, when first responders arrived.

02:39:30.360 Retired Canton Police Lieutenant Paul Gallagher detailed how investigators used a leaf blower to uncover blood and broken glass buried beneath the snow, raising eyebrows and questions about protocol.

02:39:43.720 A broken cocktail glass was found nearby and red Solo cups were used to collect samples.

02:39:49.320 Witnesses placed Reed at the scene and conflicting accounts of the night at 34 Fairview Road continued to mount.

02:39:56.580 Here's more from Day 9.

02:39:58.240 Good Samaritan uses serum or plasma testing as opposed to whole blood testing.

02:40:18.420 And just so you guys know, like every state has like big labs like this where they do tests on drugs or toxicology, etc.

02:40:26.860 Firearms, ballistics, almost every state has one of these things.

02:40:30.700 So it's very common for someone from, you know, the Massachusetts State Police, Connecticut State Police, you know, any of these state police agencies,

02:40:36.260 because they typically have big crime labs that they use, every big, every state police has a crime lab in the United States pretty much.

02:40:44.260 So that the locals and the counties can go ahead and rely upon that state, that state police lab to get the information they need.

02:40:52.120 I'm not familiar with their specific technique or methodology.

02:40:56.340 I haven't undergone training for their methods, but it is my understanding that this type of sample used for their method is serum or plasma.

02:41:04.980 Would somebody's age be a factor in determining the amount of water in their blood?

02:41:10.440 I don't know.

02:41:11.360 Could somebody's gender affect the amount of water in their blood?

02:41:15.480 Yes.

02:41:15.860 All right, Ryan Nagel, brother of Julie Nagel.

02:41:24.360 When your sister went back up the driveway to go in the house, when was the next point you had any chance to see the SUV?

02:41:32.000 When we were passing it.

02:41:34.640 When you were passing the SUV, where was it located in relation to the house flagpole?

02:41:42.360 Directly in front of the house.

02:41:43.320 Like a car length from that.

02:41:45.820 A car length from the flagpole?

02:41:47.340 Yes, give or take.

02:41:48.940 There was a woman in the driver's seat of the black SUV in front of me, sitting there with her hands on the steering wheel at 10 and 2. 0.98

02:41:56.680 How did you see them inside the car?

02:41:58.820 Their dome light was on.

02:42:00.880 As you were parked at the driveway the entire time, that generally five minute time, did you ever see anybody get out of the SUV and walk down the street towards the driveway?

02:42:11.240 Objection.

02:42:12.360 I'll allow it.

02:42:13.600 No, I did not, sir.

02:42:14.740 Did you ever see any person other than your sister outside of those vehicles the entire time that you were at Fairview?

02:42:24.300 Objection.

02:42:24.960 I'll allow it.

02:42:25.940 No, I did not, sir.

02:42:27.080 And she looked like she was alone.

02:42:29.540 Yes.

02:42:31.180 You didn't see anybody else in the SUV?

02:42:33.320 No, I did not, sir.

02:42:34.100 You certainly didn't see a six-foot, one-inch man in the SUV in the passenger seat, correct?

02:42:40.080 Correct, sir.

02:42:41.100 In fact, you saw that the passenger seat was empty.

02:42:47.360 Correct.

02:42:47.840 Okay, Katie McLaughlin, paramedic, firefighter, Canada Fire Department.

02:43:00.080 At some point, did you see the patient?

02:43:02.200 Yes.

02:43:02.880 Was it he or she?

02:43:03.800 It was a man.

02:43:06.060 He was lying supine on the side of the road.

02:43:14.620 He asked me to...

02:43:17.780 Also, the reason, guys, why Nagel is so important is because he's a prosecution witness, the guy that we just heard from before.

02:43:22.720 Basically, he puts Reed at the scene around the time that they believed that she struck him around midnight, 1230-ish.

02:43:30.700 Try to gather more information and kind of see...

02:43:33.300 And that's why they asked him, hey, was there a woman alone with no one in the passenger seat?

02:43:38.340 What happened?

02:43:39.240 Which means Ken O'Keefe was already out the car by that point.

02:43:42.420 What's going on?

02:43:43.200 There was a woman who seemed to be really concerned and involved with the patient's status.

02:43:52.460 And so I just kind of assumed that this would be the person that I could try to get more information from.

02:44:00.120 I asked if there had been any significant trauma that happened that...

02:44:04.320 Female firefighters, bro. 1.00

02:44:05.600 ...proceeded this, and she answered with a series of statements that she repeated, I hit him.

02:44:14.600 Did I say Ken O'Keefe?

02:44:15.240 I'm sorry, John O'Keefe.

02:44:16.660 Sorry, guys. 0.98

02:44:17.260 It was fucking... 0.97

02:44:18.300 I didn't sleep much last night, guys. 0.99

02:44:19.700 I think you guys are starting to see that.

02:44:21.160 I only slept maybe a few hours. 0.97

02:44:23.880 Definitely going to fucking get a way longer sleep tonight. 0.91

02:44:27.600 But yeah, sorry, I'm a bit fatigued today. 0.99

02:44:32.860 I hit him. 0.53

02:44:34.320 There was a woman next to us who told her to calm down, stop talking, calm down, you're hysterical. 0.98

02:44:42.760 So she repeated, I hit him.

02:44:44.920 And a police officer asked her, said, you what?

02:44:49.920 And she repeated it again, I hit him.

02:44:53.600 After Ms. McCabe interjected and the defendant made those statements about hitting him, 0.93

02:45:00.020 did you persist in getting more information, asking to clarify what she meant by I hit him?

02:45:05.440 No, I did not.

02:45:06.600 Why not?

02:45:07.480 I felt at that point, given the situation and how disturbing,

02:45:17.360 and it was a very emotional situation, the woman was very upset.

02:45:23.720 I didn't feel comfortable pushing and asking for more.

02:45:27.520 I just didn't think that it was the right time for that.

02:45:32.020 Plus, she's not an investigator.

02:45:33.180 She's a firefighter. 0.99

02:45:34.140 It was also really not my place at that point.

02:45:38.240 And I feel like that was something that the police were, that's more their role.

02:45:43.160 On day 10, Lieutenant Paul Gallagher returned for cross-examination,

02:45:50.800 where he admitted he only learned later that his friend Brian Higgins had been at the Albert House that night.

02:45:56.960 He was also questioned about his failure to collect potential video evidence from a nearby security camera.

02:46:03.300 Weather meteorologist Robert Gilman confirmed it was a frigid, snowy night,

02:46:07.720 with reduced visibility and temperatures plunging, critical context for the timeline of events.

02:46:13.900 Trooper Nicholas Guarino was recalled and brought a barrage of Karen Reed's voicemail messages,

02:46:19.640 over 50 calls to John O'Keefe, many laced with profanity.

02:46:23.960 The final voicemail recorded during the discovery of O'Keefe's body captured the panic and chaos.

02:46:29.820 Lieutenant Kevin O'Hara of the state police cert team testified next.

02:46:35.260 His team recovered six taillight fragments and O'Keefe's sneaker filled with snow near the curb of 34 Fairview Road.

02:46:43.980 So he got hit so hard that it knocked him out of his shoes, basically.

02:46:47.820 Is the reason that you didn't seek a search warrant or separate the witnesses or ask any of the potential witnesses

02:47:03.780 to join you down at the station, did that have anything to do with your knowledge?

02:47:09.180 The homeowner was the police officer.

02:47:11.300 Absolutely none.

02:47:12.280 I've actually executed warrants on police officers' houses in the past, including police officers I personally worked with

02:47:20.800 and had to charge some of their children.

02:47:24.060 So that absolutely would not factor into a reason.

02:47:28.220 You contacted your deputy chief, Deputy Chief Kelleher,

02:47:32.920 and ultimately secured some solo cups from Deputy Chief Kelleher across the street, correct?

02:47:39.000 That is correct, yes, sir.

02:47:39.860 You were aware at the time that Deputy Chief Kelleher's house was adorned with a ring video camera

02:47:47.360 just over the front door facing out toward the street and facing across the street,

02:47:52.740 which would be facing 34 Fairview, correct?

02:47:55.920 That is incorrect.

02:47:57.200 He does not have a ring camera.

02:47:59.060 I know that his system is an ILO camera.

02:48:02.240 Did you seek the footage from that camera?

02:48:04.900 No, I didn't.

02:48:05.520 I know what that camera captures.

02:48:07.000 Did Deputy Chief Kelleher get any special treatment from you because he's a police officer?

02:48:16.460 No.

02:48:17.080 Did Deputy Chief Kelleher get any special treatment from you because he was your boss?

02:48:21.620 No, absolutely not. 0.99

02:48:26.500 Shit, they brought a meteorologist in? 1.00

02:48:29.440 Robert Gilman? 0.99

02:48:30.360 And during that time frame, was there a significant storm forecast for that time period?

02:48:37.400 Oh, yes.

02:48:38.660 The first couple of days was dry and very cold to bitterly cold. 1.00

02:48:45.500 I'm telling you guys, State Court is a fucking circus, man. 0.99

02:48:48.240 I don't think they would ever call on a fucking meteorologist to federal court. 1.00

02:48:52.080 It was crazy. 0.99

02:48:52.640 As we got closer to the 28th and 29th, we were looking at a storm coming in from the west

02:48:58.780 and strengthening along the mid-Atlantic coastline.

02:49:03.740 How much snow accumulated on the 28th before turning the page for the 29th?

02:49:09.220 Very little.

02:49:11.220 Enough to track a cat.

02:49:12.840 Hey, guys, we got 1,000 likes.

02:49:15.220 We got 1,700 of you guys watching right now.

02:49:17.600 Guys, do me a favor.

02:49:18.840 Like the video.

02:49:20.040 Let's get to 1,500 likes.

02:49:21.580 I think I'm getting hit with a shadow ban on YouTube right now, man.

02:49:25.180 I'll be honest with y'all.

02:49:26.660 We should be having like triple the live viewers right now, but something's going on.

02:49:31.640 I've noticed that they've kind of stifled my reach a little bit.

02:49:33.900 But this happens.

02:49:34.600 Like YouTube will go ups and downs.

02:49:36.400 And it's like if you weather the storm, then you get pushed again. 0.99

02:49:39.400 But shit always happens. 0.92

02:49:44.040 So, yeah, like the video, guys. 0.99

02:49:46.820 Let's get to 1,500 likes.

02:49:47.940 We got 1,700 of you guys watching live.

02:49:49.380 But, yeah, I'm not sure why they said 1,000.

02:49:54.780 No, that's really low, bro.

02:49:56.600 I was getting like 5,000 to 6,000 last week.

02:50:00.860 Now I'm getting like 1,700.

02:50:02.300 So I'm definitely getting hit quite a bit.

02:50:13.200 So like the video, my ninjas.

02:50:14.520 We got 1,125.

02:50:16.560 Nice.

02:50:16.820 Let's get to 1,500, guys.

02:50:17.780 Let's keep going.

02:50:18.220 About how much snow had accumulated at that point, around 6 p.m. or so?

02:50:25.320 Around 6 p.m.?

02:50:26.520 Yes.

02:50:31.440 22.5 inches.

02:50:34.180 So that's 22 and a half inches, just short of 22.

02:50:37.620 Excuse me.

02:50:40.040 Just short of 22 and a half inches by 6 p.m.

02:50:42.340 Is that correct?

02:50:43.000 That's correct.

02:50:43.460 And what was the total snow accumulation from the storm in its entirety again?

02:50:47.460 23.8 inches.

02:50:49.080 Okay.

02:50:49.220 So just short of 2 feet.

02:50:50.960 Is that correct?

02:50:51.560 That's correct.

02:50:52.300 And what impact would that have on the hardness of the ground over that time period?

02:50:58.400 Well, again, the ground was frozen.

02:51:02.320 The soil was frozen and the surface of the ground was frozen.

02:51:09.660 And it would have made the ground impenetrable.

02:51:12.820 All right, now we got a trooper in from the state police.

02:51:22.620 Trooper Guarino, did you have an opportunity to obtain phone calls, voice messages, and text messages from the defendant to Mr. O'Keefe's phone on the evening of January 29, 2022?

02:51:39.160 Yes, I was.

02:51:41.380 And again, can you give us the time of the connection between the defendant's phone and Mr. O'Keefe's router at Meadows Ave that night?

02:51:48.560 Yes, 12.36.39 a.m.

02:51:51.160 At 12.36.40 a.m., the defendant calls John.

02:51:54.680 It's not answered.

02:51:56.140 At 12.37.08 a.m., the defendant calls John and voicemail number one is left. 0.99

02:52:01.780 John, I f***ing hate you. 0.72

02:52:04.380 See you later at 12.55.50 a.m. on the 29th. 0.98

02:52:09.400 12.59.24 a.m., the defendant calls John.

02:52:12.900 Voicemail number three is left. 0.99

02:52:14.840 John, I'm dealing with you, f***ing kid. 1.00

02:52:17.860 Nobody knows what the f*** you want, you f***ing pervert. 1.00

02:52:21.740 Goddamn. 1.00

02:52:22.380 Day 11 began with Trooper Connor Keefe testifying about the collection of physical... 0.98

02:52:31.380 Guys, we're at 1168.

02:52:33.140 Let's get to 1,500 ninjas.

02:52:34.900 Smash that like button.

02:52:35.900 I don't want to have to stop the show.

02:52:37.980 Okay?

02:52:38.800 I really don't want to have to stop the show.

02:52:40.500 Also, we got something big coming for you guys next week.

02:52:43.160 It's going to be litty.

02:52:45.520 You guys are really going to enjoy it.

02:52:46.740 And digital evidence.

02:52:50.800 But it was his connection to disgraced lead investigator Michael Proctor that took center stage.

02:52:56.740 Proctor, a now former Massachusetts state trooper who was recently fired for misconduct, now looms over...

02:53:02.840 After the first trial, by the way.

02:53:04.860 They fired him after the first trial.

02:53:06.740 ...with a case like a shadow.

02:53:08.640 The day ended with Jessica Hyde, a digital forensics expert, who focused on the timing of a crucial search by Jennifer McCabe.

02:53:17.480 She testified that the search term, how long to die in the cold, was entered at 6.24 a.m. on a browser tab that had been opened at 2.27 a.m.

02:53:27.180 This supported the prosecution's timeline.

02:53:29.700 The search occurred after John O'Keefe's body was found.

02:53:38.640 What was your role, limited role, that night?

02:53:46.540 To process any evidence that was discovered during the search.

02:53:51.120 Do you recognize that item?

02:53:52.940 Yes.

02:53:53.760 Is that one of the items you bagged that night?

02:53:55.860 Yes.

02:53:56.600 On October 21 of 2022, you and Michael Proctor interviewed Sarah Levinson together, correct?

02:54:05.200 No, I don't recall that.

02:54:08.620 Having reviewed that report, does that refresh your memory as to whether or not you participated in an interview of Sarah Levinson with Michael Proctor on October 21 of 2022?

02:54:19.480 Yes, I don't recall the specifics, but...

02:54:22.060 So when you say yes, is it your current testimony that your memory is refreshed that you were actually there?

02:54:29.400 Yes.

02:54:30.220 The two of you would have participated in that interview...

02:54:33.380 And this is common, guys, because obviously you're trying to recall things from years ago, so it's very common for either the defense or the prosecution to provide you with, you know, a report to remind you of something that may have happened.

02:54:46.980 It's why reports are so important.

02:54:48.160 Together, correct?

02:54:50.060 Yes.

02:54:51.600 But you did not write the report, correct?

02:54:55.860 No, I did not.

02:54:56.700 Were you asked by the Norfolk County District Attorney's Office to look at and analyze a phone that was related to a person by the name of Jennifer McCabe?

02:55:15.600 Yes, with a very, very specific scope to a specific date range.

02:55:19.140 Were you asked during that scope and date range to analyze it and provide an opinion about whether there were any user-initiated deletions of any web searches or Safari-type searches?

02:55:32.720 Yes, I was asked for deletions of Safari searches within the scope of the time frame that was dictated by the purpose of the exam.

02:55:41.800 Were you asked to look at the phone device and determine whether or not there were any user-initiated deletions of phone calls on the device?

02:55:50.700 Yes, I was asked to look for deletions of phone calls in that same date range.

02:55:54.780 I mentioned or I asked you about using multiple tools and whether or not the use of different tools changes the actual underlying data.

02:56:03.080 So the actual underlying data is always maintained, and we do validate that.

02:56:08.220 And all of the tools I use in this instance are tools that do not change the underlying data.

02:56:12.340 An examiner who has not dug into the artifact and tested to see what it means may assume, erroneously, that that 227 timestamp is the time that what is there is searched.

02:56:25.920 The search in that field of that artifact is going to always be the most recent search in the tab,

02:56:33.040 but that timestamp actually means either the time that that tab was backgrounded or if it's the first time the tab's been opened, when it was opened.

02:56:42.480 So you could erroneously implicate a search was done hours or some time period or even days before it actually occurred.

02:56:53.440 Some of us leave our tabs open forever.

02:56:56.520 In this case, this phone, was it on non-private or private?

02:57:00.580 So the specifically the two searches we're talking about, how long to die in cold and how long to die in C-I-K-L-D, excuse my differentiation there.

02:57:12.480 Both of those searches were done in non-private browsing.

02:57:17.460 Was there any applications on to mask those searches?

02:57:23.160 Not to the best of my knowledge. I did not see any.

02:57:25.820 You shared that you have an opinion about whether that timestamp 227.40 was, whether or not that was the time, the search, how long to die in the cold. 1.00

02:57:37.880 Man, we're really getting in weeds in this shit. 0.56

02:57:39.660 Can you tell us, to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty, your opinion about whether that search, how long to die in the cold, occurred at 227.40 a.m. on January 29, 2022? 0.99

02:57:53.140 What I can state, to a scientific degree of certainty, is that that search occurred at 6.24 a.m.

02:58:05.780 and was the last search in the tab that had been opened at 227.

02:58:11.400 Hmm. Interesting. Very, very interesting.

02:58:16.580 And was the last search in the tab that had been opened at 227.

02:58:23.480 Just ensuring that I have the question correct.

02:58:27.040 Please.

02:58:27.400 You're asking if what else occurred in that tab prior?

02:58:32.260 Yes.

02:58:33.120 That I cannot say with a clear degree of certainty.

02:58:36.020 So she's saying the tab was opened at 227, but the search happened at 6.27.

02:58:42.000 Let me make sure I get that right.

02:58:46.100 We're really getting in the weeds here, man.

02:58:49.020 What I can state, to a scientific degree of certainty, is that that search occurred at 6.24 a.m.

02:58:55.640 Okay, and that's what the Cellbrite guy said before as well.

02:58:58.420 It's the last search in the tab that had been opened at 227.

02:59:02.600 So apparently the tab was opened at 227, but the search itself happened at 6.

02:59:08.360 Interesting.

02:59:09.500 Just ensuring that I have the question.

02:59:12.300 Very, very interesting.

02:59:13.460 Correct.

02:59:14.180 Please.

02:59:14.640 You're asking if what else occurred in that tab prior?

02:59:19.420 Yes.

02:59:20.300 That I cannot say with a clear degree of certainty. 1.00

02:59:22.680 God damn. 0.98

02:59:25.020 That's important so that we can figure out if it's a tab or if it's a search. 1.00

02:59:28.880 God damn it. 0.96

02:59:29.360 No degree of scientific certainty whether any user deleted the phrase, how long to die in cold. 0.99

02:59:35.660 Yes.

02:59:36.240 And what is your opinion?

02:59:37.900 My opinion is there was no deletion that occurred by the user because it is not something a user can delete.

02:59:45.900 So that helps the prosecution.

02:59:49.700 Sergeant Uri Buchanik of the Massachusetts State Police testified on day 12.

02:59:54.480 He discussed the crime scene, case evidence, and the investigation into John O'Keefe's death.

03:00:00.280 He also presented a lot of evidence, including O'Keefe's what.

03:00:04.280 Hey guys, we're at 1,200 likes, man.

03:00:05.800 Let's get to, uh, let's get to 1,500, man.

03:00:08.820 300 more to go, guys.

03:00:10.680 300 more to go.

03:00:11.880 Let's get that engagement up.

03:00:13.320 Smash that like button.

03:00:15.360 I'm here.

03:00:16.720 Live at five.

03:00:18.160 Every time.

03:00:19.680 Even though I'm super dead and tired.

03:00:21.520 But I love y'all ninjas, but I'm here anyway.

03:00:23.080 Anyway, we're demonetized.

03:00:26.140 Nobody would be working this hard if they were demonetized, but I'm still doing it.

03:00:29.840 So I love y'all ninjas.

03:00:31.700 So like the video.

03:00:32.720 I'm not asking for a dollar.

03:00:33.760 Just wanted you guys to subscribe.

03:00:35.780 Subscribe to the channel if you haven't already.

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03:00:43.380 And then like the video on YouTube so we can get the engagement up.

03:00:47.860 Smash that like button, guys.

03:00:48.860 You know what I might do, Chet?

03:00:55.260 Just for you guys?

03:00:56.240 When they have closing arguments, maybe I'll go up to Massachusetts to cover this case.

03:00:58.820 Would y'all want me to do that?

03:01:01.040 Would y'all want me to do that?

03:01:02.020 Maybe when they have closing arguments, I'll go up there.

03:01:15.700 Attorney Allen Jackson zeroed in on who really led the investigation into John O'Keefe's death.

03:01:21.920 Buchanan said trooper Michael Proctor was just a, quote, case officer.

03:01:25.860 But Jackson showed Proctor's name was on nearly every warrant, search, and evidence log.

03:01:31.960 The defense pointed out key missteps.

03:01:34.320 The house wasn't searched.

03:01:35.740 A crime scene log wasn't created.

03:01:37.440 Now when they say the house wasn't searched, obviously, like, basically what they're trying to say, guys, is, you know, they never paid attention to the house.

03:01:44.120 And then McCabe, right, when they found O'Keefe's body, she didn't bother to go knock on a door. 0.79

03:01:50.440 Like, hey, this doesn't make sense.

03:01:52.200 There's someone dead out here.

03:01:53.780 Why wouldn't you go ahead and tell your brother-in-law and your sister, who's married to your brother-in-law, hey, just so you know, like, John's body's out here. 0.97

03:02:02.540 What the hell? 0.88

03:02:03.300 And what the defense is trying to say is that, of course, she's not going to go in there because she conspired with them to kill him. 0.99

03:02:09.260 Right?

03:02:09.660 Which, you know, that is a fair point.

03:02:11.160 You would think, like, if you see a dead body of your friend on your sister's lawn, you would knock on a door and be like, yo, John's body's here.

03:02:21.440 What the hell's going on?

03:02:22.420 But she didn't do that. 1.00

03:02:23.380 And the defense pressed her on that.

03:02:25.840 Created and O'Keefe's clothing sat unsecured for days.

03:02:30.160 Buchanik insisted the case was handled with honor, but admitted he didn't know who bagged critical evidence and that major reports weren't filed for over a year.

03:02:40.200 On the day or the morning of January 29, 2022, do you know who was assigned to take calls for new cases?

03:02:56.720 Yes.

03:02:57.600 Yes.

03:02:58.800 Before 7 a.m. on the 29th, it was Michael Proctor that was assigned to be on call.

03:03:06.340 We were shown a...

03:03:08.720 And that's the end of getting the case.

03:03:10.180 He was basically the on-duty detective.

03:03:12.580 Broken cocktail glass, bottom of a broken cocktail glass.

03:03:15.800 We were provided Mr. John O'Keefe's cell phone.

03:03:22.920 And I was also shown a brown paper bag with six plastic Solo cups in it containing what was reported to be blood in the snow.

03:03:40.440 We had statements made by the defendant that she was questioning whether she had hit him and to that extent.

03:03:50.780 Had you focused in on a target at this point or reached any conclusions about your investigation?

03:03:56.380 No.

03:03:56.860 Had he passed at that time?

03:03:58.600 Yes, he has.

03:03:59.200 When I walked into the room, I saw a medical bed in front of me.

03:04:05.600 Mr. O'Keefe was covered with a sheet.

03:04:09.480 There was a pile of clothing to the left, at his feet to the left of the bed.

03:04:16.000 I observed several injuries on him once I lifted the sheet, and those were documented with photographs.

03:04:25.600 I saw pooling of blood underneath his head.

03:04:31.020 There was seepage of blood into the sheets.

03:04:36.820 There was also swelling, discoloration, a large amount of blood pooling underneath his eyelids.

03:04:44.280 There was also a tiny cut laceration to the eyelid area.

03:04:50.240 You're pointing to your right eye.

03:04:51.500 Could you be specific, please?

03:04:52.860 Both, also on the left nostril, there was a very, very small laceration there.

03:04:59.220 Both were not actively bleeding.

03:05:03.600 There were a series of cuts and bruises.

03:05:09.200 And this is where the dog expert believes that he was attacked by a dog when she came in, which, you know, you can, I guess you can see the scratching.

03:05:17.020 To the right arm, which extended from approximately mid forearm up to the mid tricep area.

03:05:29.440 There was also a bruise on that same arm on the back of the hand.

03:05:34.660 It was light in color.

03:05:41.000 It wasn't a profound discoloration as the eyes appeared to me.

03:05:47.280 There were also injuries to abrasion or cut scrapes to the knee, I believe.

03:05:53.980 Which knee?

03:05:54.560 The right knee.

03:05:55.400 Let me just ask you this.

03:05:57.200 Do you believe that Michael Proctor, his involvement in this case, taints the investigation?

03:06:07.160 Tainted the investigation?

03:06:09.580 No. 1.00

03:06:10.700 Oh, shit. 1.00

03:06:12.180 Not at all? 1.00

03:06:14.360 Right.

03:06:14.620 The investigation was done with honor, integrity, and all the evidence pointed in one direction, one direction only.

03:06:20.580 And did you state to them that there was a possibility that the decedent, John O'Keefe, was struck in the face with a cocktail glass?

03:06:31.920 I don't recall my words exactly, but that sounds accurate to what I might have said.

03:06:38.820 What steps did you take to, at that moment, to determine whether or not anybody in the house could have been involved in that possible physical altercation that you just described?

03:06:52.140 We interviewed the homeowner and two witnesses that were in that house.

03:06:59.180 With each day, the trial becomes a battleground of timelines, technology, and trust.

03:07:07.760 From evidence found beneath the snow to angry voicemails and the digital search history that could shift everything,

03:07:13.960 this case is as much about what happened as it is about who to believe.

03:07:18.760 As the testimony deepens, so do the questions.

03:07:21.800 Was this a tragic accident or something more sinister?

03:07:26.120 Stay with us.

03:07:26.980 The story is far from over.

03:07:29.760 I'm Cody Thomas.

03:07:30.740 All right, let's go into Karen Reed week four now.

03:07:44.240 We are back on the record.

03:07:46.440 I am Cody Thomas.

03:07:47.380 Shout out to Court TV.

03:07:48.140 This is pretty good that they're summarizing it by week.

03:07:49.880 It's breaking down key moments from week four of the Karen Reed murder retrial.

03:07:54.860 Let's get right into it.

03:07:59.180 The death of John O'Keefe was tragic.

03:08:02.200 A brave officer raising...

03:08:03.700 We'll also watch this as well, guys, where she tells her story in an exclusive one-on-one interview with a drive-thru.

03:08:10.280 We'll cover that as well.

03:08:11.540 We're going to be on stream for a bit, guys.

03:08:16.680 So we're at 1,253, guys.

03:08:20.160 Let's get to 1,500 likes.

03:08:21.400 Let's get to 1,500 likes.

03:08:22.420 Smash that like button, guys, on YouTube.

03:08:23.680 Let's get to 1,500.

03:08:24.400 Let's get to 100% engagement.

03:08:25.540 And the state says, point to motive.

03:08:28.620 Surveillance footage showed both Reed and Higgins at Canton PD in the early morning after O'Keefe's death.

03:08:35.240 The defense suggested Higgins may have had a reason to confront O'Keefe.

03:08:39.300 Lastly, the topic of the patient's text between week.

03:08:42.720 Defense Attorney Buchanik remained at the center of testimony this week.

03:08:52.000 Defense Attorney Alan Jackson pressed him about an early theory involving a cocktail glass, Reed's I-hit-him comment, and the timeline of when the taillight fragments were found.

03:09:03.180 Jurors also heard about flirtatious texts between Reed and ATF agent Brian Higgins.

03:09:08.380 Let me see.

03:09:08.840 This guy's got to be...

03:09:09.900 I wonder if he's still an ATF agent, this guy.

03:09:11.760 There's Proctor, by the way.

03:09:13.780 What's his name again, this guy?

03:09:15.220 It's Brian Higgins.

03:09:17.740 Hold on, chat.

03:09:32.400 Let's see here.

03:09:33.400 Oh, this dude got a badge of bravery?

03:09:46.680 Or is this something...

03:09:47.400 On November 2nd, 2010, an investigation and a warrant arrest warrant was obtained in a suspect firing violation of surveillance of a vehicle known, blah, blah, blah.

03:09:58.920 McCain and patrol sergeant reared in.

03:10:01.820 Desperate Olivera approached the suspect while he was sitting in a car.

03:10:04.900 Sergeant Detective McCain...

03:10:05.400 Let me see if I can find him again.

03:10:08.720 Okay.

03:10:09.860 Let me...

03:10:10.400 Let me see if I can find where he is now.

03:10:19.960 Let me see if I can find...

03:10:21.020 Watch this and I'll find out for you guys.

03:10:31.140 I'll Google search on the side for y'all.

03:10:32.980 The defense says speak to her mindset and the state says point to motive.

03:10:38.140 Surveillance footage showed both Reed and Higgins at Canton PD in the early morning after O'Keefe's death.

03:10:44.280 The defense suggested Higgins may have had a reason to confront O'Keefe.

03:10:48.800 Lastly, the topic of Brian Albert's dog, Chloe, came up, fueling speculation after the German Shepherd was rehomed following the incident.

03:10:58.700 That is suspicious.

03:10:59.880 Can you describe for the jurors exactly where each of the...

03:11:11.720 Let's take them one at a time.

03:11:12.740 Where each of the six pieces of plastic fragments were found?

03:11:18.660 All items recovered that day were found in the general vicinity where the other items were also located.

03:11:27.560 You weren't there, correct?

03:11:30.460 I was there recovering the evidence, yes.

03:11:32.720 You weren't there at the time of the incident?

03:11:36.840 No, of course not.

03:11:37.920 Well, you'll agree that words matter, right?

03:11:40.560 I mean, you're testifying, so words do matter.

03:11:42.840 Words do matter.

03:11:43.680 That's, you know, that's important.

03:11:45.760 So, working off of your, as you put it, your theory, you theorized that there was an impact spot at 34th area, correct?

03:11:54.020 Okay, so when I'm looking here, guys, the rumor is, is that this guy, Brian Higgins, he's been applying to fire departments, but no one really knows if he's done with the ATF or not.

03:12:06.880 Based on the statement I hit him, I assumed that Mr. O'Keefe was impacted with something.

03:12:15.040 The theory would be, why is the cocktail glass broken?

03:12:17.880 Because it came into contact with the victim.

03:12:20.080 So, that's why my information communicated to them.

03:12:23.800 And the reason why he's involved, guys, is because he's friends with these guys.

03:12:26.340 They're all at the house.

03:12:27.840 Me's office was a possible domestic involving a glass strike to the victim.

03:12:33.880 Did that refresh your recollection as to when the items were booked at the crime lab?

03:12:41.720 According to this document, yes, there were items booked at the crime lab prior to March 14th.

03:12:48.100 In particular, to answer your question, completeness here, in particular, that one item does indicate that the first time the lab received it for processing was March 14th.

03:13:00.400 Who submitted all of that evidence to the crime lab?

03:13:02.580 Michael Proctor.

03:13:03.880 You're also aware that Michael Proctor eventually submitted a total of some 46 or so pieces of taillight material that was claimed to have been recovered at 34 Fairview on January.

03:13:18.600 I'm sorry, since January 29th, 2022, correct?

03:13:23.080 I don't know the total pieces, but we didn't claim to recover it there.

03:13:26.580 We recovered it there.

03:13:27.880 You did learn.

03:13:29.220 Fresh updates, Five Bucks Amaran.

03:13:30.500 Myron, are they saying they can view a profile of a person in Google search even if it's in incognito mode?

03:13:35.480 Potentially.

03:13:41.880 Soterio says, whatever, I'll send it again.

03:13:44.340 I hate using secondary currency.

03:13:45.640 Myron, being a Northeastern native, there's a lot here.

03:13:48.460 The news won't report.

03:13:49.420 Are you planning on going deeper here on this?

03:13:51.660 I haven't followed DUI guy since the mistrial.

03:13:53.460 Wild stuff.

03:13:54.840 I don't know who DUI guy is.

03:13:56.860 You sent another chat in here.

03:13:57.920 Myron, are you planning on looking at coverage of lots of people like DUI guy who are extremely well-versed in both this trial and a mistrial?

03:14:02.880 There's a lot of information and evidence between this trial and the next, which makes this case extremely fascinating.

03:14:07.620 We'd love to see you do a deeper dive.

03:14:10.400 We'll see.

03:14:11.140 We'll see.

03:14:11.560 I know you support the police, but do you think they perpetrated a corrupt?

03:14:17.340 Okay.

03:14:18.560 Remember, guys, five and above.

03:14:19.660 Five and above, man.

03:14:20.860 I'll show every single channel screen, but I'll answer questions and everything else like that with five and above.

03:14:26.040 Myron Gaines X or Rumble Rants.

03:14:27.420 That Brian Higgins, on January 29th, January 28th, going into January 29th, 2022, had a, what could be generally referred to as a romantic interest in Ms. Reed?

03:14:40.420 Objection.

03:14:41.300 Sustained.

03:14:41.780 Would you describe the text messages between Brian Higgins and Karen Reed that he presented to you as flirtatious in nature?

03:14:56.580 Without having recently reviewed them in detail, I don't want to label it something without having complete understanding of the content.

03:15:09.160 Hmm, are you breaking up or staying together?

03:15:12.800 I don't know.

03:15:14.040 He hooked up with another girl on vacation.

03:15:17.140 I am very close to his niece. 0.96

03:15:19.720 It is a very f***ed up situation.

03:15:22.900 Have you always had trouble accepting compliments? 0.76

03:15:25.880 Yeesh.

03:15:26.600 No.

03:15:27.760 It all, it at all.

03:15:30.620 All yours came to me after a day of drinking.

03:15:33.740 You were way more all over me that day.

03:15:36.520 So what?

03:15:37.120 Don't most compliments come that way?

03:15:40.720 Coming to your house would have been bad for the both of us.

03:15:43.700 For starters, you wouldn't have wanted me to leave.

03:15:47.320 Now equals not.

03:15:49.640 That sounds good.

03:15:51.060 That's trouble.

03:15:52.180 Would you consider those text messages as you reviewed them when you received them from Brian Higgins as being flirtatious or romantic in nature?

03:15:59.860 I would not categorize them to that extent.

03:16:05.240 The totality of, you know, to put a label on the whole thing, my opinion is that she's trying to get revenge. 1.00

03:16:12.200 Get revenge?

03:16:14.920 Yes, get revenge.

03:16:16.060 On John?

03:16:18.180 Yeah.

03:16:18.740 For what happened on New Year's Eve?

03:16:23.780 Yes.

03:16:24.120 Day 14 featured more testimony from Sergeant Buchanan and key surveillance footage.

03:16:33.360 Jurors saw Karen Reed and ATF agent Brian Higgins arrive at the Canton Police Department just hours after O'Keefe's death.

03:16:41.320 Higgins stayed for six minutes and left with what looked like a phone.

03:16:45.760 Prosecutors asked if Higgins had motive.

03:16:48.260 Buchanan said no.

03:16:49.520 The defense pointed to text messages with Reed suggesting a possible confrontation with O'Keefe, but Buchanan said the texts speak for themselves.

03:16:58.480 Buchanan denied seeing Trooper Proctor plant taillight fragments.

03:17:02.200 He also explained why key witnesses were interviewed at the McCabe home, citing bad weather and emotional stress, raising defense concerns about witness separation.

03:17:12.960 Finally, he confirmed Reed was interviewed at her parents' house with both parents in the room.

03:17:19.520 You testified that on direct examination that there was no video from Ring at or around the time 12.36 a.m. when Ms. Reed's SUV returned back to One Meadows.

03:17:45.280 Do you remember that testimony?

03:17:46.960 Yes.

03:17:47.300 Are you aware that after John O'Keefe's cell phone was recovered by Massachusetts State Police, someone at Massachusetts State Police actually opened the Ring app on his cell phone?

03:18:01.340 Yes.

03:18:03.120 Meyer, please react to this one. It's really good. I'll take a look at it.

03:18:06.300 Who is the person who opened and accessed the Ring app on John O'Keefe's cell phone?

03:18:10.560 I'm not 100% sure.

03:18:13.860 Sergeant, having looked at this report, does that refresh your recollection as to who may have accessed that Ring app?

03:18:22.320 Yes, that report is authored by Michael Proctor, and it says that investigators accessed the Ring application.

03:18:33.400 Trooper Proctor then, former Trooper Proctor, Michael Proctor.

03:18:36.520 Yeah, boy, I've already reacted to this. This is a restaurant that got shot up in California. I've talked about this before.

03:18:42.200 Then responded, correct?

03:18:44.560 That's what it says here, yes.

03:18:46.220 And he responded to the group, funny, I'm going through his client's phone.

03:18:52.320 He wrote, no nudes so far. Correct?

03:18:56.520 That's what it says, yes.

03:18:57.500 What did you think he was looking for when he wrote that phrase?

03:19:02.120 I don't know what he was looking for.

03:19:03.800 What would be a reasonable interpretation of what Michael Proctor was looking for when he wrote, no nudes so far?

03:19:12.300 I don't know.

03:19:13.400 Motorcycles, handbags, pair of shoes, or naked pictures of Miss Karen Reed?

03:19:20.500 His mission was to go through the phone to look for digital evidence that's related to the crime.

03:19:27.560 The fact that he wrote, no nudes so far, I cannot comment on.

03:19:31.340 Oh, my God. 0.99

03:19:33.380 Oh, man, when fucking around goes wrong. 0.98

03:19:35.420 Do you stand by your testimony that Michael Proctor conducted himself during the course of this investigation with integrity? 0.99

03:19:43.720 Yes, I do.

03:19:44.180 The fact is, Sergeant, you put it in writing, and you liked it. Correct?

03:19:51.660 I acknowledge the text message. I never saw the vile term.

03:19:56.420 And you'll also agree that this video was taken before any taillight material was ever found at 34 Fairview. Correct?

03:20:08.200 I know that the SUV pulled into the garage, the Sally Port, at 535, and we were still on scene at 551, almost 52.

03:20:20.940 So, yes, if that's time stamp before, 551 before we left Canton PD, then, yes, taillight pieces had already been found.

03:20:31.360 At that point in time, after viewing Mr. O'Keefe's injury...

03:20:34.200 And the reason why this is important with the taillight, guys, is because they're trying to say that the taillight stuff was found after the fact and put in the crime scene versus actually being found on the crime scene.

03:20:44.020 Those are the conflicting theories.

03:20:45.340 My impression shifted from him possibly being struck with the glass that was located at the scene where he was found to him being struck by a vehicle.

03:20:57.540 Why?

03:20:58.000 Well, due to the abrasions and cuts on his right arm and the amount of force, in my experience, the amount of force one would have to generate to produce the wound to his head.

03:21:16.640 And that's the biggest thing. The defense is saying he went inside and got killed in the house, then they threw him outside.

03:21:37.960 The prosecution is saying he never went in the house in the first place because she struck him with the car and he died right pretty much there.

03:21:42.920 I don't support the police, but do you think they perpetrated a corrupt justice system and that by doing so, they themselves are corrupt, whether knowingly or not?

03:21:57.660 It depends on the situation, man. There's dirty cops everywhere, right? 0.88

03:22:00.940 The majority are not, but yeah, there's always going to be police officers that have abused their power.

03:22:05.280 Marco.

03:22:05.920 John O'Keefe.

03:22:07.000 No.

03:22:07.360 Did you have any information that there was any animosity between Brian Albert and John O'Keefe?

03:22:16.600 No.

03:22:19.540 And Brian Albert, guys, if I'm not mistaken, is a detective for Boston Police Department. 0.84

03:22:25.120 I think he's like in their gang unit or some shit like that.

03:22:27.000 And here's the interview, here's the actual, let's take a break from week four real quick and go into the testimony that these cops gave here.

03:22:42.820 Albert testified in the first trial that neither.

03:22:44.740 Okay, here he is. This is Brian Albert.

03:22:46.080 This is the guy that was a detective for Boston Police Department, the homeowner who ended up selling the house after this happened.

03:22:53.340 Karen Reed nor John O'Keefe entered his house on the night in question, contradicting the defense's claim that John O'Keefe was assaulted inside the house and his body was staged outside.

03:23:13.940 Under cross-examination, Albert acknowledged disposing of his cell phone shortly before receiving a preservation notice, raising concerns about...

03:23:22.020 Wait, shortly before or after?

03:23:24.460 ...of his cell phone shortly before receiving...

03:23:27.180 Okay, shortly before.

03:23:28.360 So what's a preservation letter, guys?

03:23:30.180 A preservation letter is a letter that you give to, typically you serve it on social media companies or internet service providers.

03:23:36.920 Anybody that like, you know, is the custodian of data.

03:23:40.240 So like, let's say I want to go ahead and get like cell phone records.

03:23:43.200 I would send a preservation letter, or I want to get like a social media profile.

03:23:47.020 I'll send a preservation letter to Facebook.

03:23:49.440 Hey, I need you guys to preserve this information on this profile because I'm going to write up a search warrant on it.

03:23:55.180 And what that does is it allows that company to maintain that data for you until you draft up and get your search warrant because that will take time.

03:24:04.760 So you send a preservation order, then you send them the warrant, and then they get you the information that you need to ensure that it doesn't get purged.

03:24:10.840 ...preservation notice.

03:24:13.320 I've never seen it served on an individual, though, but he probably knew a preservation order was coming, so he got rid of his phone beforehand.

03:24:18.840 ...concerns about potential evidence loss.

03:24:22.220 Furthermore, Brian's brother Kevin is an officer in Canton, the agency that began the investigation before state police took over.

03:24:29.580 And on the morning when John O'Keefe was found dead on his front lawn, Brian Albert never came outside.

03:24:34.600 These factors have intensified scrutiny over Albert's testimony and the events surrounding...

03:24:40.040 Yeah, because it just doesn't make sense.

03:24:41.420 A guy from your police department is dead on your front lawn, and you never left the house?

03:24:46.800 ...John O'Keefe's death.

03:24:48.120 All this as Karen Reed attempts to raise doubt about the prosecution's allegations that she murdered John O'Keefe.

03:24:56.880 I have seen a...

03:24:58.020 Guys, smash that like button. 1.00

03:24:59.280 We're at 1,300.

03:24:59.760 Let's get to 200 more likes, man.

03:25:04.540 A lot of trials through the years, and it's been a lot of years here at Court TV, longer than anyone else at Court TV.

03:25:10.680 And I'll say that to brag.

03:25:11.700 I just say that to say, hey, I've been here a long time.

03:25:13.480 At your house, was Brian Albert already there?

03:25:15.420 Brian Albert was a police officer.

03:25:17.680 Brian, to me, Nicole, and Matt.

03:25:20.340 Now, he hasn't testified in this trial yet, but his name is all over this case.

03:25:25.960 Which brings us to the first question in our investigation.

03:25:29.900 Remember, this is when he testified the first time.

03:25:32.060 And of course, it's about Brian Albert.

03:25:33.100 What is Brian Albert's connection to this case?

03:25:35.900 How is he linked to what happened to John O'Keefe and everything else surrounding the investigation and this trial?

03:25:44.140 And this guy, like I said before, if I'm not mistaken, I'm almost certain, he's a Boston Police Department gang task force detective, this dude, Brian Albert.

03:25:53.060 Okay, a couple of familiar faces joining me tonight, John DiPietro, host and creator of Road Patrol Live, and Karen Reed supporter Kim Whalen.

03:26:00.900 She's also known as Nurse Kim on TikTok.

03:26:04.240 Great to have you both here.

03:26:06.460 I'd like to start by playing, since we didn't hear from him yet, let's listen to Brian Albert here talk about his relationship with John O'Keefe.

03:26:12.340 So I knew John O'Keefe, but not well.

03:26:16.260 I had only met him two times prior to that night.

03:26:19.360 But I knew him to be a Boston cop, and I knew of him, and I knew some things about him.

03:26:24.620 Although I didn't know him well, I considered him to be a friend, and our relationship was very, very good.

03:26:30.140 Cordial.

03:26:31.360 And, you know, I considered him to be somebody that I could hang out with.

03:26:35.980 Okay, Kim, obviously his name comes up a lot.

03:26:40.400 Him and John O'Keefe, is there any history here that we don't know about, history between these two that would somehow lead down the road where Brian Albert is part of some alleged conspiracy to do harm to John O'Keefe and then frame his girlfriend?

03:26:54.080 Yeah, Vinny, great question.

03:26:57.720 And by all accounts, no, not a typical relationship or some sort of history that they had.

03:27:04.980 But what there is known.

03:27:06.260 Those butt dials. 1.00

03:27:07.000 I don't give a fuck with this one female, I've got to say. 1.00

03:27:08.480 I'm sure the defense would call him something else, but. 0.99

03:27:11.060 Objection.

03:27:11.960 Called butt dials.

03:27:14.980 That next morning, while everything was going on, I mentioned to Brian that I may have butt dialed you last night.

03:27:22.380 Sorry about that.

03:27:22.980 Did the two of you agree that you were going to both say those calls were butt dials in order to cover up those calls?

03:27:30.000 Objection.

03:27:30.520 You can answer that.

03:27:31.740 We did not say that.

03:27:34.160 All right, Kim, give us a little more background and context for these so-called, what he calls.

03:27:39.840 22, you got rid of that dog.

03:27:41.240 It's not.

03:27:41.560 Objection.

03:27:42.400 All right, now let's get into some of the cross-examination here.

03:27:45.700 After you learned that there were questions being raised about John's injuries and dog bites and scratches,

03:27:51.020 in May of 2022, you got rid of that dog.

03:27:53.600 It's not.

03:27:54.060 Objection.

03:27:54.700 Sustained.

03:27:55.160 Callie was rehomed in May.

03:27:56.560 So four to five months after the fact, remember, this incident happened in January.

03:28:00.360 By May, that dog was gone.

03:28:03.640 We can use whatever words we want to.

03:28:05.760 Rehomed, rehoused, whatever.

03:28:07.080 But you got rid of her.

03:28:07.800 She's no longer part of the Albert family, right?

03:28:09.400 Objection.

03:28:09.940 I don't know.

03:28:10.300 Right.

03:28:12.740 My parents built the house in the late 70s, 79, maybe.

03:28:16.760 You listed that house for sale for the first time ever.

03:28:19.720 And that's his childhood home, by the way, Chad.

03:28:21.780 That's another reason, too, why this is a big deal.

03:28:24.020 Got rid of the dog, sold the house.

03:28:25.640 And the house was his childhood home.

03:28:27.720 In November of 2022, correct?

03:28:31.520 That's the time we listed it, yes.

03:28:32.920 Just months after John O'Keefe was found on your lawn.

03:28:36.500 Objection.

03:28:37.320 Stay.

03:28:37.620 Okay, so that's his version of what happened with Chloe the dog and with his home.

03:28:44.160 And all this brings us to the next question in our investigation. 0.99

03:28:49.280 Just creates more and more reasonable doubt for Karen Reed, because this is all suspicious shit, man. 0.99

03:28:54.840 Was Brian Albert's behavior suspicious? 0.99

03:28:57.640 Absolutely was.

03:28:58.500 And that's why Karen Reed's defense is so strong, is because of the suspicious behavior of the police officers involved.

03:29:03.320 The things that he did, are they routine, normal behavior?

03:29:09.560 Or does it rise to the level of suspicious?

03:29:11.820 And if so, how suspicious is it?

03:29:13.640 Joining us, private investigator with more than 20 years of experience, Jason Jensen and psychotherapist and CEO of Life Counseling Solutions, Dr. Janie Lacey.

03:29:20.980 To offer their expertise on this really significant issue.

03:29:25.020 Private eye, bro.

03:29:26.980 Who are these random experts that they'd be bringing in, bro? 1.00

03:29:29.540 What the fuck? 0.99

03:29:31.280 I just want to refresh some of the conduct that we're talking about. 1.00

03:29:35.520 Brian Albert knew John O'Keefe, didn't know him that well.

03:29:39.320 He said John O'Keefe never came inside his house.

03:29:41.740 He said the calls after 2 a.m. that morning to Brian Higgins were butt dialed.

03:29:47.180 And Brian Higgins, guys, remembers the ATF agent, his friend.

03:29:49.160 He was accused of destroying his phone, but said, I was just getting a new phone just before the order to preserve the phone.

03:29:56.240 And then rehoming the dog and selling his home.

03:29:59.740 Jason Jensen, I'll begin with your thoughts on this.

03:30:02.000 As you look at those facts, are they all pretty mundane, being blown out of proportion?

03:30:06.700 Are they suspicious?

03:30:07.540 What are your thoughts here?

03:30:09.140 Well, oftentimes, what's described there is pretty normal, pretty common to rehouse a dog or sell a home.

03:30:15.320 But in the context of a case, and that's what this is, it's a trial, where if you're getting rid of things that are relating to a case, that can be characterized as disposing of evidence, which disposal of evidence is consciousness of guilt.

03:30:29.060 Now, Dr. Janie Lacey, it's, you know, it's difficult to, I guess, truly understand what's going on.

03:30:38.000 Let's go to Higgins more.

03:30:39.560 It is the accused murderer on trial, but her and her-

03:30:46.560 You know Brian Higgins?

03:30:47.780 Brian Higgins.

03:30:48.540 From Brian Higgins.

03:30:49.280 It was Brian Higgins, Chief.

03:30:50.420 Brian Higgins.

03:30:51.160 From the blood alcohol level of Brian Higgins?

03:30:52.900 Brian Higgins?

03:30:53.800 As Brian Higgins.

03:30:54.920 Did you become friendly with Mr. Higgins?

03:30:56.560 I've become friendly with Mr. Higgins, yes.

03:30:57.880 And Brian Higgins has not testified yet in this case, but his name is making its way and weaving its way into some of the testimony in front of this jury, which brings us to the next question in our investigation.

03:31:11.960 There he is.

03:31:12.680 And that's him from the first test, testifying the first time.

03:31:15.980 And the reason why he's probably friends with these guys, guys, is because, remember, Brian Albert works at a gang squad, right?

03:31:23.700 A gang or drug trafficking squad.

03:31:25.640 A lot of the times, these guys work with ATF quite a bit, so it would make sense that he would be friends with ATF agent Brian Albert.

03:31:33.760 What is Brian Higgins' connection to the case?

03:31:36.740 What's his connection to the people, to what happened that night?

03:31:40.400 Here with us, the host and creator of Road Patrol Live.

03:31:43.800 He's been inside the courtroom.

03:31:44.840 John DiPietro is with us.

03:31:46.440 And Karen Reed, supporter Kim Whalen, nurse Kim on TikTok, and I believe on YouTube as well, doing a great job there.

03:31:51.740 Okay, I want to play for you some testimony from Brian Higgins here talking about his relationship with John O'Keefe and Karen Reed.

03:32:01.260 Describe your relationship with John O'Keefe.

03:32:03.260 I considered him a friend.

03:32:04.980 And how would you describe your relationship with Ms. Reed?

03:32:07.800 I considered her a friend as well.

03:32:08.960 Okay.

03:32:12.780 Was it Houdini who said friends?

03:32:15.060 How many of us have them?

03:32:16.220 It may have been Houdini.

03:32:17.620 Tell me, John, how would you describe...

03:32:19.560 So was there maybe some element of jealousy of Karen Reed?

03:32:22.600 ...of this relationship among the lives of Canton to me.

03:32:25.820 ...her that he wanted the real... 0.96

03:32:27.500 ...or you found a little bit of a refuge in Brian Higgins.

03:32:31.840 And he was giving her compliments.

03:32:33.920 He was telling her that he wanted the real deal.

03:32:36.220 He'd give her whatever she wanted.

03:32:37.580 And she just really wanted someone to tell her that she was pretty, I think.

03:32:43.260 And then she noticed that asking repeatedly, what do you want from me?

03:32:47.100 Are you joking with me?

03:32:48.440 She pulled back and hadn't actually spoken to Brian Higgins for over a week before January 29th, 2022.

03:32:55.480 So he sends her a text message while they're at Waterfall Bar and Grill.

03:32:59.860 And then he ends up texting Officer John O'Keefe when they're en route to 34 Fairview.

03:33:05.220 Are you coming here?

03:33:06.200 So I find it murky, a little bit muddy with the relationship timeline or the talking timeline, if you will.

03:33:12.880 But it was more embarrassing and very innocent, in my opinion.

03:33:17.620 Now, you mentioned the text messages.

03:33:19.920 I want to take...

03:33:21.000 All right, let's go ahead and go back to week four.

03:33:26.040 Now you guys know who Brian Albert and Brian Higgins are.

03:33:28.860 Brian Albert, owner of the home, acquaintance slash friend of the deceased John O'Keefe.

03:33:34.580 Brian Higgins, ATF agent, also friend slash acquaintance of John O'Keefe.

03:33:38.860 After a day off, Karen Reed... 1.00

03:33:40.300 And of Karen, where he would flirt with her.

03:33:41.660 ...turned to court on day 15, appearing upbeat, but the tone inside was serious.

03:33:47.620 Prosecutors introduced new evidence suggesting John O'Keefe's death followed a volatile breakup.

03:33:53.040 This came after the defense had Sergeant Buchanic read text messages between Reed and ATF agent Brian Higgins,

03:33:59.380 which prosecutors say reveal a troubled relationship.

03:34:02.960 O'Keefe's niece testified privately due to her age.

03:34:06.260 Jurors also watched Reed's past interviews on Dateline.

03:34:09.540 Kumo says, did you already read my first chat? I was on the phone.

03:34:12.160 No, I didn't see your first chat, bro.

03:34:13.380 ...and ID.

03:34:14.660 Crime scene testimony resumed when Sergeant Brian Galarani testified he collected DNA from Buchanic and Proctor,

03:34:21.880 but not from several Canton officers, including the chief.

03:34:25.840 Sergeant...

03:34:26.260 All right, guys, we're about 100 away, so smash that like button, guys.

03:34:30.240 Let's get to 1,500.

03:34:31.160 ...and Evan Brent described evidence found buried in snow.

03:34:35.740 Criminalist Maureen Hartnett detailed scratches, a dent, glass, and a hair found on the back of Reed's SUV.

03:34:51.660 And what was it that you were asked to document at that location?

03:34:56.580 Namely, it was Karen Reed's...

03:34:58.740 Hold on.

03:34:59.860 All right, Sergeant, Zachary Clark, crime scene investigator, Massachusetts State Police.

03:35:03.660 And what was it that you were asked to document at that location?

03:35:12.120 Namely, it was Karen Reed's vehicle.

03:35:15.020 I was also asked to process the front passenger, front right passenger compartment of the vehicle for friction ridge impressions.

03:35:21.180 A friction ridge impression is a replica or an impression of the friction ridge skin on the hands or the feet.

03:35:29.780 What makes it unique and significant to policing is that that friction ridge skin has unique patterns. 0.93

03:35:36.140 They're formed through ridges and furrows or hills and valleys, and they're unique to every individual.

03:35:41.220 The area was processed with white fingerprint powder, examined, and no impressions of value were determined to be present.

03:35:50.060 My recollection is that there was a significant amount of snow present.

03:35:54.740 Snow banks were apparent from what I presume to be plowing.

03:35:59.400 There was an area that did appear to be cleared and heavily trodden by footwear and tires.

03:36:05.660 Still, even in that area, there was a significant amount of snow with certain spots of grass showing.

03:36:11.220 Were you called out to 34 Fairview Road on February 18th of 2022 to photograph and document anything?

03:36:20.560 February 1st was the only date I was called to 34 Fairview, sir.

03:36:23.600 So the answer to my question is no, correct?

03:36:25.900 That's correct.

03:36:30.280 All right. Now, Sergeant Evan Brent, crime scene investigator.

03:36:34.840 MSP.

03:36:35.320 There was a search effort digging through some snow banks that they were looking for some items.

03:36:45.240 They wanted me to document it with photography.

03:36:49.180 Some were on top of the snow.

03:36:53.960 So there was some significant snow melt.

03:36:56.500 I think that day it was raining out and it was much warmer than it was previous three days.

03:37:02.340 So some had been revealed by this melted snow.

03:37:07.320 So they were on top.

03:37:08.440 Others were under a foot, foot and a half of snow.

03:37:12.400 What damage did you observe to that Chevy Traverse?

03:37:14.860 I observed no visible damage.

03:37:16.940 So you don't know and you didn't know at the time who had access to that Traverse during those five days, correct?

03:37:25.160 That is correct.

03:37:26.460 At the time, did you know you were at the home of a Boston police officer named Brian Albert?

03:37:31.200 I did not.

03:37:32.340 I was asked biological criminals to examine a black Lexus SUV.

03:37:42.960 I noticed there was some damage to the rear passenger area of the vehicle.

03:37:48.940 Did you take any swabs to see if there was any biological evidence?

03:37:55.360 Yes, I did.

03:37:56.240 Where did you take swabs from as far as trace for blood?

03:38:00.840 I screened for blood on various areas of the undercarriage of the vehicle.

03:38:07.100 And what was the results?

03:38:08.620 Those were negative.

03:38:09.660 Was there anything significant that you saw?

03:38:11.740 So we know that he didn't get run over.

03:38:13.440 Relative to the back bumper of that vehicle?

03:38:16.520 Yes.

03:38:17.200 And share with us what you saw.

03:38:19.100 There were scratches on the bumper as well as apparent pieces of glass on the bumper.

03:38:23.560 Did you have any interest in maintaining that piece of evidence?

03:38:29.540 Yes, I did.

03:38:30.340 What did you want to do?

03:38:31.660 I wanted to collect the entire taillight housing.

03:38:35.120 Did you attempt to remove that entire unit yourself?

03:38:38.040 I did.

03:38:38.720 Were you successful?

03:38:39.980 No, I was not.

03:38:41.000 So what did you do?

03:38:42.600 A Canton police officer that was in the Sally Port at the time offered to help disconnect it with some tools that he had.

03:38:52.200 Day 16 brought key rulings, potential delays, and critical medical testimony.

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03:39:05.520 Run it up back in court Tuesday to cover the video. 0.98

03:39:07.820 I'll keep you updated.

03:39:09.220 Shout out to you, Chad.

03:39:10.440 This is my boy, Chad, guys.

03:39:15.000 Yeah, so Chad, if you guys remember, he helped me out with my streams yesterday, man.

03:39:18.240 He'll be back at the Diddy Courthouse on Tuesday.

03:39:20.080 So I'll probably be chopping it up with him and Mel and giving you guys updates on what's going on.

03:39:25.160 Karen Reed's supporters won a major legal victory when Judge Canoni lifted the protest buffer zone.

03:39:31.000 Following a federal court ruling, it violated First Amendment rights.

03:39:35.320 Meanwhile, Reed's defense may seek a delay after...

03:39:38.780 It's full auto night, by the way.

03:39:40.660 Weird.

03:39:41.000 On my Rumble thing, it shows up something else.

03:39:43.500 But yeah, full auto night, guys.

03:39:44.560 It's Chad on Rumble.

03:39:46.680 Full auto night.

03:39:47.560 Shout out to him, man.

03:39:50.000 Receiving a late forensic report from the Commonwealth.

03:39:53.000 The report highlights a timing discrepancy between Reed's SUV and O'Keeffe's phone that could disrupt the defense's timeline.

03:40:00.640 The defense called it a mid-trial ambush.

03:40:03.320 Prosecutors said they just received the data themselves.

03:40:06.300 Criminalist Maureen Hartnett returned for cross-examination on evidence handling.

03:40:10.740 Then came pivotal testimony from the medical examiner.

03:40:15.100 She detailed O'Keeffe's injuries and ruled the cause of death as blunt force trauma plus hypothermia, but left the manner of death undetermined.

03:40:23.420 On cross, she admitted the injuries weren't clearly consistent with the car strike, and the head wound could have come from a fall.

03:40:29.720 I'm at my breaking point.

03:40:41.780 I can't get a job, and I live in my car.

03:40:44.220 I can't even provide for my kid.

03:40:46.320 I won't do anything stupid, but if I made a GoFundMe and Super Chat in, would you be willing to repost, or can I pay you to repost?

03:40:54.060 I really need help. 1.00

03:40:55.840 Shit, man. 1.00

03:40:57.980 Yeah, bro, we got you. 1.00

03:40:59.720 What the fuck happened, man? 1.00

03:41:03.400 Damn. 1.00

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03:41:10.660 You're on Cal's Club.

03:41:11.220 We got you.

03:41:13.100 Cal's Club member, we got you.

03:41:22.520 When you said you looked over the entire vehicle, did you look over the back of the vehicle as well?

03:41:27.080 Yes.

03:41:27.360 Yes, the only part I did not look at was the roof of the vehicle.

03:41:30.480 Did you find any dense scratches or hair anywhere but on other than the right side quarter of that Lexus?

03:41:40.800 I did not note any.

03:41:42.420 I also did not examine the interior of the vehicle.

03:41:44.480 I did the autopsy on Mr. O'Keefe.

03:41:50.720 I did the autopsy on Mr. O'Keefe.

03:41:54.720 I observed on his right upper eyelid a one centimeter laceration.

03:42:01.040 So I also observed abrasions on the anterior and the left aspect of the nose.

03:42:10.240 There was some bleeding and some swelling of the eyelids of both eyes.

03:42:22.160 So on the right upper medial arm, that would be the inner side of his arm, there was a superficial abrasion.

03:42:33.120 Again, that's a scrape.

03:42:34.320 Then on his right posterior arm and forearm, so not exactly on this aspect of the arm, but on the back side of the arm, which would be in the back of the diagram.

03:42:52.900 There were multiple abrasions, which I described as ranging from two to three millimeters and up to seven centimeters.

03:43:02.200 I noted that there were two bruises on the back of his right hand.

03:43:09.260 Also a.

03:43:11.240 And the defense was saying that that might have been defensive wounds in a fight.

03:43:15.280 That's what they were trying to to claim.

03:43:18.080 O.D. says, what do you think about Travis Hunter making that 304 his wife with no printup?

03:43:26.940 I believe he's taking a major L after she pops out of bed and takes him to cleaners and divorce.

03:43:30.080 Yeah, bro. 1.00

03:43:30.760 These NFL niggas are retarded, bro. 1.00

03:43:32.760 Young professional athletes are some of the dumbest niggas on earth. 1.00

03:43:36.080 I'm actually surprised he wiped her up, too. 1.00

03:43:37.860 Bitch destroyed his fucking image. 1.00

03:43:42.720 Faint scratch on the back of his left hand. 1.00

03:43:48.080 Um, there was a small abrasion, a small scrape on the side of his right knee.

03:43:56.200 Do you have an opinion to a reasonable degree of medical certainty as to how those superficial abrasions occurred?

03:44:05.020 I do not.

03:44:06.340 Do you have an opinion to a reasonable degree of medical certainty how the other discoloration happened on Mr. O'Keefe's hand?

03:44:12.020 I can state to a reasonable degree of medical certainty that that's a bruise, a contusion, but I cannot tell you how it occurred.

03:44:24.140 Regarding the scrape on Mr. O'Keefe's right eye, can you provide...

03:44:31.260 And it doesn't have to be dog bites, guys.

03:44:33.540 It could be dog scratches as well.

03:44:35.640 Those scrapes on his arm.

03:44:37.140 An opinion to a reasonable degree of medical certainty how that scrape occurred.

03:44:42.460 No, I cannot.

03:44:44.940 And when we pulled back the scalp, I noted that there was blood, what we call hemorrhage, under the laceration or associated with the laceration on the back of the right head.

03:44:57.740 There were skull fractures associated with that laceration abrasion on the right side of the head.

03:45:09.260 So, when the brain was removed and we were able to look at the base of the skull, I noted that there were multiple fractures that appeared to be originating from the... 0.98

03:45:23.480 Holy shit, they took his brain out, man. 0.87

03:45:25.780 ...area of the laceration or what would correspond to the area of the laceration. 0.99

03:45:33.100 Inevitably, did you come to a conclusion about the manner and cause of Mr. O'Keefe's death?

03:45:43.360 In this case, stated that the cause was blood impact injuries of head and hypothermia and the manner was undetermined.

03:45:50.880 There's nothing inconsistent with this injury and a fall on someone's, um, on the back of the head with a blunt, um, surface.

03:46:08.520 Week four wrapped up with a short but fiery day 17 that almost led to a delay in proceedings.

03:46:18.460 The prosecution leaned... 0.96

03:46:19.940 Shots is niggerator, bro. 1.00

03:46:22.400 See, you went from narrator to niggerator. 1.00

03:46:24.620 ...heavily on forensics, walking the jury through a detailed breakdown of DNA and physical evidence found at the scene and on John O'Keefe's clothing.

03:46:33.160 First, a DNA expert from the Massachusetts State Police Crime Lab testified that multiple bloodstains on O'Keefe's jeans, shirts, and sneakers were overwhelmingly likely to be his.

03:46:44.820 But defense attorney David Unetti pushed back, pointing out the DNA mixtures included unknown contributors.

03:46:50.940 And that the lab never compared samples to other key names like Brian Albert or Brian Higgins.

03:46:55.760 Then came a second expert, a physical match analyst who reconstructed shattered taillight pieces found on Fairview Road.

03:47:03.660 Some fragments were matched as part of a single taillight unit, presumably from Karen Reed's Lexus, but others showed no mechanical connection.

03:47:11.440 Finally, a courtroom fight. 0.98

03:47:13.240 Does she have like a fucking, what kind of bat, is that like a, what flag is that? 1.00

03:47:18.180 Is that the LGBT flag or like the Tran flag? 0.99

03:47:21.600 But others showed no mechanical connection.

03:47:24.960 Finally, a courtroom fight erupted over expert data.

03:47:29.560 The defense accused the Commonwealth of trying to get, quote, three bites at the apple by updating a tech expert's report about vehicle and phone data after the defense had already cross-examined witnesses.

03:47:41.060 The judge ultimately ruled the state could move forward, setting the stage for a high-stakes rebuttal.

03:47:46.700 All right, DNA analyst, Massachusetts State Police Crime Lab, Andre Porto.

03:47:56.500 So the DNA profile was interpreted as a mixture of three contributors, including male DNA.

03:48:05.100 And the DNA profile from this item is at least 510 non-alien times more likely if it originated from John O'Keefe and two unknown individuals.

03:48:13.100 What did you conclude based on the generation of those profiles with those four items?

03:48:31.700 Yeah, so the profiles that were generated were not suitable for a comparison.

03:48:35.480 It was a mixture of at least five contributors.

03:48:38.560 We can only interpret mixtures of up to four contributors.

03:48:42.220 So I determined that there were five contributors.

03:48:44.400 So that makes it too complex for us to do comparisons to it.

03:48:46.820 Were you ever asked to compare DNA samples from either Canton Police Detective Kevin Albert or Canton Police Chief Kenneth Berkowitz to the DNA profile that you analyzed from that passenger side tail light?

03:49:09.280 I was not.

03:49:10.600 Were you ever asked to compare the DNA profile with... 0.99

03:49:14.820 This nigga look crazy, bro. 1.00

03:49:16.720 I ain't gonna lie. 1.00

03:49:17.120 He looks like a 1970s serial killer.

03:49:19.600 The DNA profiles of either Brian Higgins or Brian Albert.

03:49:24.120 I was not.

03:49:26.760 That's crazy that they didn't take any of the information from the other people.

03:49:34.580 What did you conclude as far as your physical match analysis within that item?

03:49:39.200 Yeah, I think that's a T-flag chat.

03:49:42.080 Cooked.

03:49:42.640 What did you conclude as far as your physical match analysis within that item alone?

03:49:59.540 Within item 3-1, I believe four of the pieces fit together.

03:50:06.760 Now, if I could turn your attention to item 7-5, piece of plastic, red, covered, recovered from 34 Fairview Road.

03:50:15.240 What did you conclude as far as your physical match analysis just within that single item?

03:50:20.800 There was no physical match noted among those three pieces of apparent plastic.

03:50:28.020 And when you say no physical match found from the different pieces within that item, what does that mean?

03:50:35.560 The broken edges of each piece did not align.

03:50:38.280 And what, if any, conclusions did you come to in relation to your physical match analysis between item 7-15 and item 7-60?

03:50:47.500 Two pieces from item 7-15, F and H, fit mechanically with two pieces from item 7-16, F and G.

03:51:00.400 So two pieces from item 7-8, one piece from item 7-9, piece A, and one piece from 7-16, piece E, were found to have a mechanical fit.

03:51:17.140 So those pieces were at one time together as a larger unit.

03:51:21.120 And what, if any, conclusions did you come to from your analysis, your physical match analysis between item 3-1 and all of the items beginning with the number 7?

03:51:33.840 There was a physical match with, do you want me to list?

03:51:39.600 If you could, please.

03:51:40.440 Okay, so two pieces from item 7-5, four pieces from item 7-8, one piece from item 7-10, four pieces from item 7-11, two pieces from item 7-12, two pieces from item 7-13, four pieces from item 7-15, and four pieces from item 7-16, were found to have fit mechanically with item 3-1.

03:52:10.440 So what's depicted here is the mechanical fit between item 7-5, 7-6, 7-8, 7-10, 7-11, 7-12, 7-13, 7-14, 7-15, and 7-16, correct?

03:52:28.740 Not items 7-8 and 7-14, but the other ones, yes.

03:52:33.300 From clashing forensic timelines to newly surfaced text messages, week four brought a wave of testimony that cut straight to the heart of the case.

03:52:46.980 With credibility, timing, and motive all now under the microscope, the next phase of this retrial promises even more twists and turns.

03:52:55.680 I'm Cody Thomas, and as always, thanks for listening.

03:52:58.040 Stay safe, stay informed, and we'll see you next time we go back on the record.

03:53:05.120 All right, let's see here.

03:53:14.640 Let's go ahead and week five.

03:53:20.320 I think that's probably going to be the last week.

03:53:22.620 Week five, Karen Reed.

03:53:24.280 Bam, all right.

03:53:31.920 We're on the record in week five of the Karen Reed murder retrial.

03:53:36.480 I'm Cody Thomas, and this week, the Karen Reed retrial takes a sharp turn.

03:53:41.060 A forensic expert admits he lied about his qualifications.

03:53:45.240 A critical piece of vehicle data was missed entirely,

03:53:48.160 and a neurosurgeon suggests John O'Keefe's fatal injury might not have come from a car at all.

03:53:54.800 The prosecution is still building its case, but the cracks are starting to show.

03:53:59.380 The death of John O'Keefe was tragic.

03:54:05.440 A brave officer raising two children as a single parent.

03:54:09.020 Fast forward this.

03:54:09.740 Now, as a completely different version of how John O'Keefe died,

03:54:14.220 evidence from videos should help the jury find the truth.

03:54:18.160 During the first trial, the jury was divided and could not agree about what happened.

03:54:22.440 But now, second time around, both sides are hoping their side's interpretation of these videos will persuade the jury.

03:54:32.200 Meanwhile, the public waits as the evidence unfolds inside the courtroom.

03:54:40.000 Today's testimony zeroed in on digital forensics and DNA analysis.

03:54:44.920 Digital forensic analyst Shannon Burgess dropped a bombshell.

03:54:48.200 An SD card, the SUV's equivalent of a black box, was missed during testing,

03:54:54.140 and parts of the car's data system were damaged in the process.

03:54:58.820 Burgess analyzed a three-point turn and a reverse maneuver by Karen Reed's Lexus,

03:55:03.500 timing it just seconds before O'Keefe's last phone activity.

03:55:07.920 But then came the twist.

03:55:09.560 On cross, Burgess admitted he falsely claimed a college degree on his resume.

03:55:14.660 A forensic analyst with no diploma, testifying in a murder trial.

03:55:20.100 The defense jumped on it.

03:55:21.560 DNA experts also took the stand.

03:55:23.880 A hair found in Reed's SUV couldn't rule out John O'Keefe as a contributor,

03:55:29.020 and comparisons were made to Sergeant Yuri Buchanic and former trooper Michael Proctor.

03:55:36.900 Frank, you want to say what's up to the people?

03:55:39.840 All right, Frank, okay, okay, okay.

03:55:41.580 Relax. Hey, stop.

03:55:42.800 Hey, Frank.

03:55:42.860 Hey, Frank.

03:55:44.660 What was your role in the testing in this case?

03:55:57.480 Yes, so my role was to analyze the DNA profiles and then do the comparisons.

03:56:04.080 Now, what items specifically did you receive for DNA testing in this case?

03:56:07.720 So, yes, like I mentioned, we received the hair, we received the two reference samples,

03:56:14.740 we received an extract from a taillight as well as the negative control that was associated with that,

03:56:21.660 and then we also received a reference profile from the state lab.

03:56:25.740 Now, sir, in your comparison analysis between the taillight sample and the known standard from John O'Keefe,

03:56:31.580 what conclusions did you make from your comparative analysis between those two?

03:56:36.640 Between John O'Keefe and the mixture profile,

03:56:41.140 John O'Keefe could not be excluded as a potential contributor to that,

03:56:46.720 which pretty much means that it's his hair mixture profile.

03:56:48.960 Now, in your comparison analysis between the taillight sample and the known standard from Michael Proctor,

03:56:54.000 what conclusions did you make from your analysis there?

03:56:56.780 Yes, so he could not be visually excluded, again, based on that initial comparison.

03:57:01.680 So we run the statistic, and it was 76,000 times more likely that it was three unknown unrelated individuals

03:57:09.920 versus Michael Proctor and two unknown unrelated individuals,

03:57:13.640 and that would be strong support for exclusion.

03:57:20.900 All right, Carl Mayasako, DNA analyst, Bode Technology.

03:57:26.160 All right, Kumo says,

03:57:26.960 She lied on me in a domestic violence case when I was in Los Angeles County Jail for a week 1.00

03:57:30.520 in a one-man cell with no Quran, Bible, pencil, or paper.

03:57:34.180 My TV was shut off, so complete isolation, showered once.

03:57:37.760 And NJ, you have 25 days to reopen any case after you please,

03:57:40.500 so I plead no contest against my PDs or public defendants of us

03:57:45.160 to get out and fight the case on the street.

03:57:47.680 But California law is different, and I didn't...

03:57:52.500 Wait, hold on.

03:57:57.040 So I plead no contest against...

03:57:59.040 To get out and fight the case on the street,

03:58:01.940 but California law is different, and I didn't know at the time. 0.98

03:58:04.040 I was only 19, young and dumb. 1.00

03:58:07.760 Damn, man. I'm sorry that you're going through that, bro. 1.00

03:58:12.160 How old are you now, Kumo?

03:58:16.360 Sir, are you familiar with some mitochondrial DNA testing

03:58:19.520 that was performed at Bode on lab case number CCA2416-0023

03:58:25.420 pertaining to this defendant, Karen Reed?

03:58:27.660 Yes.

03:58:28.420 Did the Bode lab also perform mitochondrial DNA testing

03:58:32.280 on the known standard from John O'Keefe?

03:58:34.660 Yes.

03:58:35.180 And did you then perform your own comparative analysis

03:58:38.160 of those two mitochondrial DNA profiles

03:58:40.640 from the hair extracts from the rear panel

03:58:43.080 of the defendant's vehicle

03:58:44.500 and that of the known standard of Mr. O'Keefe?

03:58:47.180 I did.

03:58:48.000 What conclusions did you come to

03:58:50.240 from that comparative analysis

03:58:51.680 between those two standards?

03:58:53.280 That John O'Keefe could not be excluded

03:58:58.040 as being a source of the hair sample.

03:59:00.680 You're not saying that the hair belonged to John O'Keefe, correct?

03:59:05.700 That's not what you're saying.

03:59:08.040 What I'm saying is based on the genetic data

03:59:10.780 obtained from the hair sample

03:59:12.040 and the genetic data obtained

03:59:14.020 from the known reference sample of John O'Keefe,

03:59:16.760 I could not exclude John O'Keefe

03:59:18.300 as being a possible source of the hair sample.

03:59:20.380 In addition, all maternally-related individuals

03:59:23.580 could not be excluded

03:59:26.180 as being a source of the hair sample.

03:59:28.440 Another way of saying that, Mr. Miyasako,

03:59:30.860 is to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty,

03:59:35.160 you cannot say that hair belonged

03:59:38.120 to John O'Keefe specifically, can you?

03:59:41.220 Yes or no?

03:59:42.360 No, with mitochondrial DNA, you can't.

03:59:44.940 Okay.

03:59:45.660 All right, so it's not as precise as we thought.

03:59:47.740 Let's say that it is, per se, an individual person,

03:59:51.200 so it's more so the maternal line.

03:59:52.940 Because the hair could have come from his mom,

03:59:54.440 it could have come from his maternal nephew,

03:59:57.080 or anybody in...

03:59:58.220 Unlikely, but, you know...

04:00:03.940 See what the defense is doing here?

04:00:06.460 Oh, well, you can't conclude 100%

04:00:08.140 that it was his hair,

04:00:10.340 even though it came from his mother's side,

04:00:12.900 and his mom didn't get hit by the car,

04:00:14.760 but you guys see what the defense is doing here?

04:00:16.080 They're creating that doubt, which is...

04:00:17.380 This is what their job is.

04:00:18.780 They're doing a fantastic job of creating doubt.

04:00:21.220 And this is mature wine, correct?

04:00:23.020 Correct.

04:00:24.420 Because now he's expanded it from...

04:00:26.180 It could be John O'Keefe to his mom,

04:00:28.020 to his aunt, to his sister,

04:00:29.160 anybody that's a female on his family.

04:00:37.520 Were there certain events that you were focused on

04:00:40.960 relative to the data in the defendant's Lexus?

04:00:45.000 Sure.

04:00:45.560 So there were specific events

04:00:47.480 that we were looking for specifically.

04:00:49.960 That would be including time-stamped

04:00:52.680 ignition-owned events or power-owned events,

04:00:56.920 as well as other data.

04:00:58.940 Can you tell us what this is?

04:01:00.520 Sure.

04:01:00.820 So this is the first power-owned event

04:01:05.060 after 12 o'clock on January 29th.

04:01:08.660 That power event is happening at 12-12-36,

04:01:13.660 up here in the top.

04:01:15.100 And the vehicle is powered on,

04:01:17.060 and it's not powered off until 12-42-08.

04:01:20.400 Did you analyze it to see how, in fact, accurate it was?

04:01:24.680 Yes, I did.

04:01:25.360 And how accurate was it?

04:01:26.580 It was accurate to the second.

04:01:28.120 These two clocks,

04:01:29.660 one on the left being the Lexus clock

04:01:31.540 that reads 12-23-38 a.m.,

04:01:33.960 and the other clock on Mr. O'Keefe's iPhone

04:01:36.680 has a different time, 12-23.

04:01:39.080 All right, so this is the three-point turn.

04:01:44.040 I'm going to bring this back a little bit.

04:01:45.840 This is important.

04:01:49.880 Okay, digital forensic analyst aperture.

04:01:54.820 Also, guys, before we do this,

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04:02:06.960 Were there certain events that you were focused on

04:02:10.360 relative to the data in the defendant's Lexus?

04:02:14.380 Sure.

04:02:14.960 So there were specific events

04:02:16.880 that we were looking for specifically.

04:02:18.620 That would be including time-stamped

04:02:22.080 ignition-owned events or power-owned events,

04:02:26.100 as well as other data.

04:02:28.360 Can you tell us what this is?

04:02:29.940 Sure.

04:02:30.520 So this is the first power-owned event

04:02:34.480 after 12 o'clock on January 29th.

04:02:37.560 Okay.

04:02:38.720 So this is from 12.12 to 12.42 a.m.

04:02:41.760 This is where the alleged hit happened.

04:02:44.060 That power event is happening at 12.12.36

04:02:52.720 up here in the top.

04:02:54.560 And the vehicle is powered on

04:02:56.380 and it's not powered off until 12.42.08.

04:02:59.860 Did you analyze it to see how, in fact, accurate it was?

04:03:04.120 Yes, I did.

04:03:04.800 And how accurate was it?

04:03:06.020 It was accurate to the second. 1.00

04:03:07.980 Damn. 1.00

04:03:08.480 Okay. 1.00

04:03:09.880 Now we're going somewhere.

04:03:11.060 Two clocks, one on the left being the Lexus clock

04:03:14.100 that leads 12.23.38 a.m.

04:03:17.280 And the other clock on Mr. O'Keefe's iPhone

04:03:19.200 has a different time, 12.23.

04:03:21.600 All right.

04:03:22.100 So TechStream, okay,

04:03:23.400 one o'clock until the three-point turn.

04:03:24.760 O'Keefe's iPhone clock is 21 to 29 seconds fast

04:03:27.480 relative to the Lexus clock

04:03:28.780 at the time of the three-point turn.

04:03:30.800 Lexus clock should be adjusted forward

04:03:32.140 by 21 to 29 seconds

04:03:33.600 to align with Mr. Keefe's iPhone clock.

04:03:35.080 So TechStream event and Lexus clock,

04:03:38.220 12.23, 38 a.m.

04:03:43.660 And then three-point turn,

04:03:45.720 O'Keefe's iPhone clock, 12.29.

04:03:48.460 Okay.

04:03:49.080 So they're comparing the two times

04:03:50.520 to basically see when a three-point turn happened.

04:03:55.960 59 to 12.24.07.

04:03:59.220 Do you have an opinion

04:04:01.900 to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty? 0.98

04:04:08.080 Damn, KumoTV says 25, almost 26. 0.99

04:04:10.080 I'm fighting, trying to fight this 0.99

04:04:11.380 for a while now unsuccessfully.

04:04:12.980 Bro, seven years? 1.00

04:04:23.280 Holy shit, man. 0.99

04:04:24.360 If these two clocks pertain to an event 0.99

04:04:31.200 that's happening at the same time

04:04:32.520 or a different time?

04:04:34.220 Yes.

04:04:34.860 So these two clocks are, you know,

04:04:37.960 we are synchronizing these clocks

04:04:39.500 to an event that is happening at the same time.

04:04:46.640 The Commonwealth's digital forensic analyst,

04:04:49.240 Shannon Burgess,

04:04:50.000 returned to the witness stand

04:04:51.220 for a second day of cross-examination

04:04:53.480 on day 19.

04:04:54.940 The defense zeroed in

04:04:56.080 on a 21 to 29 second time variance

04:04:58.900 between Reed's SUV and O'Keefe's iPhone,

04:05:02.300 a gap they say could weaken

04:05:03.560 the prosecution's timeline.

04:05:05.620 Burgess insisted his analysis

04:05:07.040 pulled from that missed SD card

04:05:09.120 was accurate to the second.

04:05:11.320 But under pressure, he admitted

04:05:12.600 the SUV's recorded, quote,

04:05:15.220 trigger events like shifting gears

04:05:17.340 don't prove a crash happened.

04:05:19.600 Prosecutors tried to shift the focus

04:05:21.060 back to the data.

04:05:21.920 They also played a clip of Karen

04:05:23.740 from an April 2024 interview

04:05:25.760 where she seemed to estimate O'Keefe's time of death

04:05:28.600 in line with the prosecution's theory.

04:05:31.340 Which is roughly around 1230 in the morning.

04:05:33.420 All right.

04:05:41.640 Shannon Burgess,

04:05:42.400 uh,

04:05:43.080 Burgess,

04:05:43.540 digital analyst,

04:05:44.180 aperture.

04:05:44.600 Same guy.

04:05:45.660 Country accent guy.

04:05:49.100 Mr. Burgess,

04:05:50.360 once that timeline

04:05:54.020 crosses into midnight,

04:05:56.160 it's January 30th,

04:05:58.300 not January 29th,

04:06:00.520 correct?

04:06:00.760 Correct.

04:06:01.780 Yes,

04:06:02.020 it is January 30th.

04:06:03.040 Yes.

04:06:04.500 So,

04:06:05.100 in actuality,

04:06:06.840 these five timelines,

04:06:08.940 as you testified to them yesterday,

04:06:11.780 are not accurate down to the second,

04:06:14.680 correct?

04:06:15.400 Because you got the wrong date.

04:06:17.220 Well,

04:06:18.220 parlance,

04:06:18.700 yes,

04:06:19.060 but,

04:06:19.320 but yes,

04:06:19.780 they are still accurate to the second.

04:06:21.720 But,

04:06:22.320 the date,

04:06:24.020 these five timelines,

04:06:25.180 let's see,

04:06:26.180 let's pursue this.

04:06:27.640 these five timelines are exactly 24 hours off

04:06:35.420 from the time where the event actually occurred,

04:06:40.100 correct?

04:06:40.840 No.

04:06:41.380 So,

04:06:41.680 these events occurred on January 30th.

04:06:45.860 If I misspoke and said the 29th,

04:06:48.100 yes.

04:06:48.980 Okay.

04:06:49.400 you understand my point?

04:06:53.040 Yes,

04:06:53.280 I do.

04:06:53.720 In your January 30th report,

04:06:56.720 you did not issue any opinion or conclusion with regard to the timing of what you call the

04:07:07.280 TechStream event 1162.2 in your January 30th report,

04:07:13.520 did you?

04:07:14.060 No,

04:07:14.320 I did not.

04:07:15.140 You didn't even mention either the phrase TechStream event or the phrase 1162.2 in your January 30th,

04:07:26.060 2025 report,

04:07:27.860 did you?

04:07:28.420 No,

04:07:28.740 I did not.

04:07:29.160 But in that January 30th, 2025 report,

04:07:35.580 you did evaluate the variance between the Lexus infotainment system on the one hand

04:07:42.040 and Mr. O'Keefe's iPhone data on the other,

04:07:45.580 correct?

04:07:46.140 Correct.

04:07:46.440 Despite claiming the purpose in your January 30th report of quote,

04:07:51.860 identifying timestamp discrepancies,

04:07:55.620 potential clock skew,

04:07:58.720 and clock drift,

04:08:00.620 you did not compare the time of the three-point turn between the infotainment system in the

04:08:10.020 Lexus SUV and Mr. O'Keefe's phone,

04:08:15.380 did you?

04:08:15.960 Not at that time,

04:08:17.100 no.

04:08:17.220 You failed to apply this variance to the infotainment time on the Lexus associated with

04:08:27.260 the TechStream event 1162.2,

04:08:31.700 correct?

04:08:32.860 Correct.

04:08:33.520 May I explain?

04:08:35.280 I will proceed along.

04:08:37.120 I'm sure if Mr. Brennan has questions and want you to explain,

04:08:40.520 he may choose to do that.

04:08:42.000 This is simple arithmetic,

04:08:46.500 is it not?

04:08:47.540 It's either an addition or a subtraction, the offset, correct?

04:08:52.800 Correct.

04:08:53.100 And yet, in your initial report on January 30th, 2025,

04:09:00.680 you did not take that final analytical step, did you?

04:09:06.760 No, because these clock variances do not apply to that time frame.

04:09:11.840 Is the reason you failed to take that final analytical support, or excuse me, final analytic step we've been talking about in your January 30th report was because you knew if you did that,

04:09:25.860 that if you calculated the actual time of the 1162.2 TechStream event, based upon your own methodological analysis of the clock skew,

04:09:39.040 there would always be continued interaction on Mr. O'Keefe's phone after the TechStream event.

04:09:48.580 No.

04:09:50.700 So you deny that?

04:09:52.240 Yes.

04:09:56.120 Interesting.

04:09:57.020 Very, very interesting.

04:09:58.740 And I mean, you can see here that they're really going in the weeds here, guys.

04:10:01.520 You know, looking at the infotainment system of the SUV to figure out when the three-point turn was actually made and kind of comparing and contrasting it with Ken O'Keefe's,

04:10:10.080 sorry, I said Ken O'Keefe, John O'Keefe's phone, right, to see when he was struck in relation to the infotainment system and his phone.

04:10:19.080 Day 20 began with an unexpected delay.

04:10:22.380 Judge Beverly Canone spoke privately with jurors for over an hour.

04:10:26.300 No one was dismissed, but two jurors were reseated.

04:10:29.220 The judge reminded the panel no talking about the case inside or outside the courtroom.

04:10:35.320 Neurosurgeon Dr. Isaac Wolfe told jurors that O'Keefe's injuries could have been caused by a fall, not a car.

04:10:42.440 He said the trauma was consistent with someone falling backwards and hitting their head on something hard like the ground.

04:10:48.560 Then trace analyst Christina Hanley testified that plastic fragments found on O'Keefe's clothes were a possible match for Karen Reed's Lexus taillight or a similar vehicle.

04:10:58.240 But the defense hit back, noting glass on Reed's bumper didn't match a cocktail glass collected from the scene.

04:11:05.240 You reviewed a number of items of information in this case.

04:11:17.560 Did you have an opportunity to review photographs of a laceration to Mr. John O'Keefe's head?

04:11:27.960 Yes, I did.

04:11:28.960 What we're seeing is an approximate inch and a half laceration with bridging tissue and contusions and abrasions.

04:11:45.060 To us, that's just a classic blunt trauma injury.

04:11:49.060 So can you walk us through what happens when someone incurs this type of injury to the back of the head?

04:11:55.000 What happens is, you know, you fall backwards and the linear acceleration starts to take you back down with gravity.

04:12:04.740 The skull hits the ground.

04:12:09.540 It gets, you know, in layman's terms, smashed a little bit.

04:12:13.760 The brain is being thrust forward at a fairly good speed and it's getting bruised.

04:12:19.080 You can think of it as if you took a hammer to your thumb.

04:12:22.420 It's really turning black and blue.

04:12:24.640 Could this type of injury happen from an attack by a weapon like a bat or a hammer?

04:12:29.900 Well, he did not have a depressed skull fracture.

04:12:36.860 So any focal hit like that would more likely than not have caused a depressed skull fracture.

04:12:43.760 I want you to take us back now to after the fall.

04:12:51.060 Would Mr. O'Keefe, in your study and opinion, have died immediately?

04:12:56.640 No, there is very few things that you had injury where you would die, quote, immediately.

04:13:05.000 Was there any other observations you made about Mr. O'Keefe or his body that support your opinion that he didn't die immediately?

04:13:14.860 Well, the medical examiner took pictures of his periorbital area and diagnosed raccoon's eyes.

04:13:25.220 So raccoon's eyes occur because there's leakage through the orbital fractures into the periorbital space.

04:13:34.260 Normally, it takes about 24 to 48 hours to develop.

04:13:37.420 So it has been noted as early as one to three hours, which would make it not immediate.

04:13:44.200 You testified about raccoon eyes.

04:13:47.760 The medical term for that, sir, is ecchymosis.

04:13:51.080 Correct.

04:13:51.720 And ecchymosis, raccoon eyes, does not cause a laceration to form on an eyelid, does it?

04:13:59.820 No.

04:14:00.060 Are you aware that Mr. O'Keefe had a laceration to the outside area of his right upper eyelid?

04:14:12.660 I am aware that the ME described that.

04:14:14.720 Yes, sir.

04:14:15.120 From your comparison of starting with the clear plastic from the debris from Mr. O'Keefe's clothing,

04:14:30.820 from your comparative analysis of that clear plastic to the clear plastic from item 3-1, the taillight,

04:14:36.980 what did you conclude?

04:14:37.860 So the clear plastic from the debris was found to be consistent in color and instrumental properties

04:14:56.000 to the clear plastic from the taillight.

04:15:01.980 Um, so, accordingly, the clear plastic from the debris could have originated...

04:15:11.980 Hey, uh, thanks to, uh, the Brimless for 20 gifted subs.

04:15:15.340 I appreciate that, my friend.

04:15:18.680 Thank you for supporting the show and rocking with me, man.

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04:15:22.660 From the clear plastic from the taillight or from another source with the same characteristics.

04:15:29.280 And with reference to the red plastic from item 7-18.18 from Mr. O'Keefe's clothing,

04:15:39.700 in your comparison of that red plastic with the red plastic from the passenger side taillight

04:15:44.800 of the defendant's vehicle, item 3-1, what did you conclude from that analysis?

04:15:49.120 So, the red plastic, um, that I sampled from, um, item, um, from the debris, from the clothing,

04:16:01.140 from 7-18.18, was found to be consistent in color, microscopic appearance, and instrumental properties

04:16:13.180 with the portions that I sampled from the red plastic from the taillight.

04:16:19.480 So, accordingly, the red plastic from item 7-18.18 could have originated from the red plastic

04:16:33.580 that I sampled from the taillight or from another source with the same characteristics.

04:16:39.740 Interesting.

04:16:45.340 So, you guys have been asking me about this DUI guy.

04:16:47.780 So, uh, here's his channel right here.

04:16:50.020 I was looking at some of this stuff while, oh, actually, you know what, let's see, before

04:16:53.420 I go into him, let's see this interview that she did with, uh, Boston 25 News, where she

04:16:58.720 did an exclusive, like, ride-along with them.

04:17:00.920 Um, and then we'll go on to the DUI guy.

04:17:12.060 Today's going to be all Karen Reed, ninjas, all Karen Reed today. 0.98

04:17:16.220 I'll probably cover Jordan Peterson debating some people tomorrow.

04:17:19.380 I think he had a debate with, um, on Jubilee, if I'm not mistaken.

04:17:22.560 You look at a first glance to read the same, but then you read it to her in PD, and I've

04:17:27.740 read this so many times that I don't know if I've become desensitized to it, but he says

04:17:31.960 to Matt McCabe when he...

04:17:33.340 Hold on one sec.

04:17:38.580 Yeah, nine hours ago.

04:17:39.360 Jordan Peterson, verse 20, atheists.

04:17:42.900 That's kind of weird, because I thought Peterson himself was an atheist.

04:17:47.080 But, whatever.

04:17:48.020 I need to go back on Jubilee, bro.

04:17:53.700 I need to get back on there.

04:17:56.280 But don't worry, guys.

04:17:57.540 Very soon.

04:17:59.360 Very, very soon.

04:18:00.400 How many nights do you think that you've stayed at a hotel, uh, since this legal saga began?

04:18:07.720 Since the legal saga began, uh, well, trial was every bit of ten weeks, and then a week

04:18:14.620 or so leading up to it.

04:18:15.820 Um, so that's 100 days, 90-plus days, and then every hearing, at least one day.

04:18:25.520 And that's just not having a license and being out in the suburbs.

04:18:30.080 Now I don't have my house anymore.

04:18:31.720 Um, so I'm always in transition of where I'm staying.

04:18:38.500 So, uh, and when, when Alan and Liza come in, and now Bob, and if it's one of our experts,

04:18:45.100 um, time is of the essence.

04:18:47.240 And I like to be involved in everything.

04:18:49.680 So I certainly don't want my legal team convening, and I'm not there.

04:18:54.300 You miss one day of this case on this legal team, and you're behind.

04:19:00.520 Um, we just got a discovery dump today.

04:19:03.640 This tends to happen right before a hearing.

04:19:05.260 We get discovery.

04:19:06.840 I wonder if part of that is preempting us, saying in court in an open forum that we're

04:19:11.220 still waiting on this, this, and this.

04:19:12.660 So then we get it.

04:19:13.460 And then, but we haven't had time to really distill it before we're back in court.

04:19:16.440 But we just got a dump today.

04:19:17.860 As you guys can see, we're doing a very deep dive on Karen Reed.

04:19:20.460 But I don't want to, like I said, we're going to cover this extensively, because you guys

04:19:25.180 have been asking for this case for a very long time.

04:19:28.140 So, um, so yeah, we're going to get it done.

04:19:31.420 And it's nice, because the lawyers are coming in, and we're kind of all combing through it.

04:19:35.820 We'll sit down tonight and go through it.

04:19:37.660 We'll have time again tomorrow to go through it.

04:19:40.120 Um, so staying with them helps, helps foster this logistically.

04:19:48.780 During this time, when there is no trial, we see you in court once every, what, three months?

04:19:53.540 But what's going on when we're not seeing you?

04:19:56.840 This is, this is it, right?

04:19:58.520 This is it.

04:19:59.260 Uh, I work on the case every day from when I wake up.

04:20:02.900 I'll take a few breaks.

04:20:04.640 I'll have dinner with friends or with my family or, or both.

04:20:08.920 Um, but the, the, the hearing is, those are easy days.

04:20:13.940 I mean, they're easy for me.

04:20:14.760 I don't have to do anything, but it's all the days in between.

04:20:18.360 We've gotten, now this is the second trial.

04:20:20.420 So for any given witness, there's the initial police reports, or in some cases, no police reports.

04:20:26.160 Hey, and shout out to Mo for fixing the audio on this mic. 0.97

04:20:28.740 The, the audio should be 100% crispy, by the way, guys.

04:20:31.560 Mo fixed the sound effects. 1.00

04:20:32.800 Stupid. 1.00

04:20:33.620 And he fixed the, um, sound of the mic. 1.00

04:20:36.120 Falcon punch! 0.86

04:20:37.420 So, shout out to Mo for taking care of this and, um, you know, giving you guys this, uh, crispy audio.

04:20:45.240 For those of you that are wondering, I'm using a Zoom PodTrack P8.

04:20:49.200 I've had this thing for years.

04:20:51.100 Um, but, uh, you know, I just haven't been using it, so now I am.

04:20:55.000 And, uh, here we are.

04:20:56.360 So the audio should be very good now.

04:20:59.540 Jubilee Mario Games vs. 20 Feminists? 1.00

04:21:01.060 Yeah, I, I, I'm telling you, bro, that's, they, they need to put me on there.

04:21:04.020 I don't know what's wrong.

04:21:04.700 I think they got scared of me from the last time I was there, bro.

04:21:07.540 Because they put on a bunch of no-names, man.

04:21:09.780 They put on people that aren't nearly as relevant as I am on there.

04:21:12.700 So, it's, there's something going on there.

04:21:14.940 It's not relevance.

04:21:16.160 Something else.

04:21:17.500 We've got the state grand jury.

04:21:19.360 Then we've had a federal grand jury.

04:21:20.780 And now a trial.

04:21:22.520 And then any interim police reports that involve some of these witnesses.

04:21:25.160 So, it's layers of statements.

04:21:27.920 And the inconsistencies are just seemingly endless.

04:21:32.800 So, there's always work to do.

04:21:34.400 And it's, it's like finding a needle in a haystack.

04:21:37.820 That the report may look at a first glance to read the same.

04:21:40.920 But then you read it two or three times and it starts to sink in.

04:21:44.020 You know, we were just looking at a police report.

04:21:45.760 My father and I, a couple mornings ago.

04:21:47.780 Early, early police report from January 29th by Michael Lank with the Canton PD.

04:21:51.940 And I've read this so many times that I don't know if I've become desensitized to it.

04:21:56.560 But he says to Matt McCabe when he goes into 34 Fairview.

04:22:00.180 If John got in a fight the night before.

04:22:02.860 And I always read that.

04:22:04.620 And that's documented?

04:22:05.840 That's documented in the Canton, the Canton police report that day.

04:22:09.460 Three years ago.

04:22:11.120 Nearly to the hour.

04:22:14.320 To right now.

04:22:15.700 But now that I read it, I'm like, of course he's being asked if he knew of John getting into a fisticuffs.

04:22:24.440 Because John looks like he was.

04:22:26.300 And those are things that I read in the moment when I was arrested and then arraigned on February 2nd.

04:22:33.180 And I don't quite know the contours and what I'm dealing with.

04:22:37.320 I first think that this is just mistaken.

04:22:40.280 I was hysterical.

04:22:41.420 I was drinking.

04:22:42.940 And they've just got the wrong person.

04:22:45.100 And then piece by piece it came together.

04:22:46.820 Like, they got the right person.

04:22:48.860 I'm the wrong person.

04:22:49.960 But for them, I was the right person.

04:22:51.860 Now, three years later, looking at a police report that I got on February.

04:22:55.320 Actually, David came and brought it to the holding cell at the Stoughton District Courthouse on February 2nd, right before I was arraigned.

04:23:01.940 And you see something every time that you just can't see without repetition.

04:23:07.020 Your eyes, like, preempt what you're going to, what the next word is, what the next sentence.

04:23:11.480 And it doesn't have the same meaning to you today on January 29th, 2025, that it did in 2022.

04:23:17.480 So, are you going through all the police reports that you've looked at prior and all the statements?

04:23:23.660 You're going through everything again?

04:23:24.800 You've got to go through everything again because every time you get something new, it's not what is this on its face.

04:23:30.000 In my case, it's what's changed.

04:23:32.700 What are they saying now versus what did they say six months ago, 12, 18 months ago?

04:23:39.040 So, you're always doing, I mean, I've got some things in a spreadsheet.

04:23:43.200 That's how my mind has always worked.

04:23:44.740 But some things you just have to read.

04:23:46.420 You've got to go through the court minutes, go through the transcripts.

04:23:50.380 But a police report today, you know, we'll read something.

04:23:53.580 Liza and I were on the phone on the way up here.

04:23:55.960 And it's, wait a minute, what did this witness say?

04:23:59.680 Or what did this responding officer say back on February 10th, 2022?

04:24:05.560 Okay, I adjusted the USB as well, guys.

04:24:07.540 So, it should be better.

04:24:09.040 The USB.

04:24:10.600 So, that also should be good.

04:24:13.500 Now we're saying this.

04:24:14.600 You've got to always compare and see what's changed.

04:24:19.380 Do you feel like you've gotten more astute doing this now for three years?

04:24:29.180 I feel I've, I understand now how it's going to, I understand better how it's going to play in court.

04:24:36.440 Or I think of things I was texting David constantly in the early, early days of this.

04:24:42.980 I'd find something and I'd think, well, can't we go talk to this person and they'll say it didn't happen that way.

04:24:49.020 And now I know better how tough it is to get, especially in my case, how tough it is to get something admitted.

04:24:55.640 Even going into trial with my seasoned attorneys, there were things we thought we could show like an exhibit, for example, like one witness, Christina Hanley.

04:25:05.020 The key part of her forensic report at the MSP lab, and she's just a scientist, a civilian, but the glass on the bumper that was photographed on the bumper does not match the cocktail glass.

04:25:19.060 Does not match the cocktail glass.

04:25:20.800 So that means it's from another piece of glass.

04:25:23.580 So that had to have been two breaking events.

04:25:27.120 There's the glass that was found around John's body.

04:25:30.320 The base, I think it was Lank that pulled it out with his gloves on, or maybe it was Buknik, the base of the cocktail glass.

04:25:36.240 That is scientifically proven by the state police, Christina Hanley, not to be the glass that was on the bumper.

04:25:41.960 But I think the jury was left in the first trial with the impression that it was the glass.

04:25:46.880 Yes, because it's so confusing.

04:25:49.360 Nothing's referred to as the cocktail glass or the bumper glass or the lawn glass.

04:25:53.840 It's 7-1 item 5.

04:25:56.660 Yeah, and that's going to be very difficult for a jury to track and an average layman person as well.

04:26:01.640 Or item A or 7-12 items A, B, C, D, and E.

04:26:05.660 And then there's more glass found by Proctor, and that's 7-13 item A.

04:26:10.840 And when you have the scientist who, my guess is worried that we're trying to impeach her,

04:26:16.120 when we're in fact not, we just want her to present the report.

04:26:19.480 And this is, you know, I don't know when she testified, but it's mid-trial, it's 2 in the afternoon,

04:26:25.280 it's 80 degrees outside, and you see jurors' eyes glass over, and I know what's coming.

04:26:31.780 I know what that report is, and it doesn't come out cleanly.

04:26:35.320 So we were thinking going into trial, we could summarize what she was saying using her own acronyms and abbreviations.

04:26:44.860 Here's 7-12, here's 7-13, no match, something like that.

04:26:48.220 And that exhibit was denied.

04:26:50.900 So we were learning on the fly things we thought.

04:26:53.220 Not having it sidebar, correct? Because I don't remember.

04:26:55.040 It happened at sidebar.

04:26:55.800 So this, shout out to definitely not a burner, Myron Gaines vs. 20 Feminists, yeah, funny. 1.00

04:27:01.120 This is a very familiar spot in Boston for you.

04:27:04.080 This is your old life.

04:27:05.060 This is my old life that I go by probably once a week.

04:27:08.620 I took the train in and out of South Station every day.

04:27:12.220 Oh man, I'm very familiar with this area too.

04:27:15.460 This is right near Chinatown.

04:27:16.860 Where I lived in Mansfield, and I'd come out the back, and this is where I worked for 15 years, Fidelity at 245 Summer Street.

04:27:26.680 Equity analyst was your title.

04:27:28.360 I was equity research.

04:27:29.680 My role was a sector specialist, and it was in this building at 245.

04:27:35.440 Do you still stay in contact with any of the people you work with?

04:27:38.180 I used to go to South Station every time I wanted to go home.

04:27:42.920 I would take the train home.

04:27:45.500 I do.

04:27:45.900 Back to Connecticut.

04:27:46.580 I would say about half of my donations have come from former colleagues at Fidelity.

04:27:57.460 Half of what you're aware of that you can see has come from former Fidelity colleagues.

04:28:04.040 So it's funny, Ted.

04:28:08.920 I was sent home from Fidelity, from that building, I want to say the second week in February,

04:28:14.880 February 2020, the pandemic, and I remember talking to someone on the subway, I took like a 2 p.m. train back to Mansfield.

04:28:23.660 I was talking to someone else who had been sent home from a job, a different facility.

04:28:27.440 Because of COVID.

04:28:28.160 Because of COVID.

04:28:28.180 Because of COVID.

04:28:29.300 And we were saying, well, we'll be back in a week, right?

04:28:31.400 Two weeks.

04:28:32.480 Little did I know, I'd reconnect with someone I had dated nearly 20 years earlier in 2004.

04:28:38.400 I'd be working from home for two years, and then he would be tragically killed, murdered.

04:28:45.880 And I've been framed for it.

04:28:49.540 And I never would set foot in that building again.

04:28:52.440 So it was a pandemic, and then I was suspended from Fidelity officially as soon as I was indicted.

04:29:01.320 Is that their policy?

04:29:02.680 I would think so.

04:29:03.760 So I would think so, that it means there's been some due process.

04:29:11.200 Is there hard feelings about that?

04:29:13.360 Or could you even have kept your job even if you wanted to?

04:29:16.440 I could not.

04:29:17.120 I would not be capable of having that responsibility.

04:29:20.900 16 likes away, guys, from hitting 1500.

04:29:28.440 Okay, so I found this video here.

04:29:30.400 This looks like it covers a timeline of what went down.

04:29:32.600 So let's go ahead and look at this.

04:29:36.220 The micro dots.

04:29:38.360 The drop-off Karen Reed timeline and Jen's calls by micro dots.

04:29:42.860 It's the evening of January 28th, 2022.

04:29:47.180 There's a dangerous storm coming.

04:29:50.340 Give me all slashes if audio is good for you guys.

04:29:52.540 Give me all slashes if the audio is good.

04:29:54.620 It's still early.

04:29:55.680 As friends and family begin gathering at the Albert home.

04:30:06.900 The younger generation stay inside for the evening to consume alcohol together.

04:30:13.440 In celebration of a birthday.

04:30:18.420 All right, awesome.

04:30:18.800 While the elders choose to venture out to a local bar named The Waterfall.

04:30:22.160 Where they meet acquaintances John O'Keefe and Karen Reed.

04:30:29.860 All are drinking.

04:30:32.780 Bro, this is why alcohol is the devil, man.

04:30:35.060 I tell you guys all the time, bro. 1.00

04:30:37.960 Guys, alcohol is fucking terrible, bro. 0.99

04:30:42.100 If they didn't drink this night, they would all be alive. 1.00

04:30:44.700 Think about that.

04:30:45.340 And John O'Keefe would be alive and no one would be going to jail.

04:30:52.660 If they had all just not drunk this night. 1.00

04:30:56.360 Fucking alcohol, man. 1.00

04:30:57.340 At about 12.15, they returned from the bar. 1.00

04:31:26.720 That damn German Shepherd. 0.99

04:31:36.100 Jen calls John at 12.14. 1.00

04:31:38.500 At 12.18, John calls her back.

04:31:42.240 Then Higgins messages John at 12.20.

04:31:46.620 Remember, Brian Higgins guy's the ATF agent.

04:31:48.740 He's asking him, yo, are you coming?

04:31:51.360 To the house.

04:31:52.340 To the house.

04:31:52.400 To the house.

04:31:53.340 To the house.

04:31:54.340 To the house.

04:31:56.340 This is the guy that was flirting with Karen Reed before via text.

04:32:06.320 Thank you.

04:32:16.300 I'm embarrassed.

04:32:19.800 so the car pulls up

04:32:43.980 I like this 3D animation

04:32:46.160 visualize it for you guys

04:32:47.740 now if I'm not mistaken

04:33:06.220 this is going to be the Nagels 0.80

04:33:07.200 that pull up

04:33:08.180 Karen sits and waits for confirmation

04:33:12.560 ok here's the layout of the home

04:33:18.740 she watches as John approaches

04:33:22.060 looks inside

04:33:23.300 and walks through the door

04:33:24.580 it's the last time she'll see him in good health

04:33:28.100 so her story is

04:33:32.200 she sees him go in

04:33:33.100 niggas is watching cops 1.00

04:33:46.120 at the same time 0.65

04:33:49.440 Ryan Nagel

04:33:50.240 Ricky Dantano

04:33:51.440 and Heather Maxson

04:33:52.720 arrive in Ricky's 2018

04:33:54.360 Ford F-150

04:33:55.580 to pick up Julie Nagel

04:33:57.380 at her request

04:33:58.380 causing the Lexus

04:34:01.960 to move forward

04:34:02.760 the first time

04:34:03.920 and we saw a little bit of the

04:34:07.680 Nagel guy's testimony

04:34:09.340 they brought him in

04:34:10.460 because he was able to see

04:34:11.800 that Karen was there

04:34:12.660 at the house

04:34:13.160 at the time he pulled up

04:34:14.080 bringing it straight in line

04:34:24.200 with the front door

04:34:25.020 just right outside the front door

04:34:26.280 straight outside yes

04:34:28.220 the vehicles remain

04:34:42.160 in these positions

04:34:42.920 for a number of minutes

04:34:44.080 while they both wait

04:34:58.220 and keep in guys

04:35:13.840 keep in mind guys

04:35:14.940 the prosecution says

04:35:17.180 he never went inside

04:35:28.220 and they walk around

04:35:29.800 where they call

04:35:31.560 one- Hutton

04:35:34.540 where was he

04:35:35.220 no they can have

04:35:35.800 become a sign

04:35:36.740 buck

04:35:38.920 and that's

04:35:40.060 it don't want to

04:35:40.500 go

04:35:41.480 and they put

04:35:42.140 him

04:35:42.200 on there

04:35:42.960 and now

04:35:43.700 he's

04:35:43.820 looking back

04:35:45.280 and he just

04:35:46.460 on the line

04:35:46.840 get out

04:35:47.980 get out

04:35:48.900 he's

04:35:49.820 engaged

04:35:50.700 an

04:35:51.440 hold

04:35:51.860 on

04:35:52.600 kind

04:35:53.540 get out

04:35:53.660 The wife of the cop that owns the built home.

04:36:23.660 The wife of the cop that owns the built home.

04:36:53.660 John's Apple health data indicates that he ascended or descended three flights of stairs and took 80 steps between 1222 and 1224.

04:37:06.380 And I told you guys this before that this is one of the things that the defense referred to was his Apple watch.

04:37:12.920 It stated ascending, descending three floors.

04:37:15.960 Suggesting that he entered the home, walked inside and within less than a minute ended up in the basement, either by his own volition or by force.

04:37:23.660 The most logical interpretation of the three flights as he went down, turned around to leave and for an unknown reason was returned.

04:37:30.360 Theories on how John sustained his injuries vary, but they largely focus on a violent assault carried out by up to three men inside the home, as well as an attack by their ill-tempered German shepherd.

04:37:44.920 An animal with a documented history of aggression, one that Brian Albert was caught attempting to conceal from the court by lying, saying that Chloe has never attacked a human being when she has attacked two, sending both to the hospital for treatment. 0.99

04:38:00.300 Goddamn, bro. 0.99

04:38:02.300 Guy can't control his dog, man. 0.99

04:38:06.600 Frank on the other end, he's smart, he don't attack nobody.

04:38:10.340 Look, see, look, look, here he comes. 1.00

04:38:13.580 Frank, what do you got to say about this stupid German shepherd, bro? 1.00

04:38:17.720 Huh? 1.00

04:38:19.400 All right, I love you too, buddy.

04:38:21.060 Come here. 1.00

04:38:21.480 You stink, nigga. 1.00

04:38:27.540 You need to get you a shower. 1.00

04:38:28.940 You smell like dog.

04:38:29.600 Just one of the many lies they've been courted.

04:38:33.460 On the right side is an opening containing rows of dumbbells.

04:38:40.540 And a systems room behind a set of double doors.

04:38:43.860 A bathroom straight ahead.

04:38:52.940 Stairs exiting directly to the backyard.

04:39:04.600 Ryan Nagel texted his sister at 12.23 here.

04:39:11.100 He did text me saying that he was outside.

04:39:13.860 And then he texted again that he was going to leave.

04:39:31.260 Then Julie Nagel went outside.

04:39:33.680 If Ryan texted his sister again that he was going to leave,

04:39:45.920 that means she kept him outside waiting.

04:39:48.580 So what caused the delay?

04:39:54.680 The timeline indicates that John entered the home,

04:39:57.880 triggering a violent...

04:39:58.680 So, John attacked 12.24.

04:40:04.080 Roughly, that's what they're saying.

04:40:05.580 And then Julie comes out two minutes later. 1.00

04:40:07.680 ...confrontation that unfolded quickly.

04:40:10.060 The chaos inside delayed Julie for several minutes.

04:40:13.500 Long enough for Ryan to text...

04:40:14.940 Well, two minutes, really.

04:40:16.000 ...saying he was going to leave,

04:40:17.740 prompting them to send her outside to get rid of her brother.

04:40:20.620 Within the four walls of 34 Fairview Road,

04:40:26.160 they had a full-blown crisis on their hands,

04:40:28.740 one that needed to be contained fast.

04:40:31.780 It's nearly 12.30 a.m.

04:40:34.100 They have a fatally injured cop laying on the floor,

04:40:36.640 a house full of people,

04:40:37.880 and two separate parties waiting outside,

04:40:40.440 each expecting someone to step out

04:40:42.260 or at least inform them that they can leave.

04:40:44.380 They immediately took command,

04:40:47.920 and no one was coming or going until this was worked out.

04:40:53.680 And since they didn't have the idea to blame Karen until morning,

04:40:57.680 when Jen noticed her taillight was cracked,

04:41:01.200 the only claim they have is to say that despite being dropped off right out front,

04:41:06.340 John never came into the house.

04:41:11.420 Say it with me.

04:41:12.480 The guy never came into the house.

04:41:21.780 At 12.27, after sending Julie outside, 0.96

04:41:25.600 Jen starts using her phone to build that alibi. 1.00

04:41:29.060 But Karen is still out there, and they don't know why.

04:41:32.340 As soon as you saw Ms. Reid's SUV,

04:41:37.300 you texted John.

04:41:39.240 Is that right?

04:41:39.740 Correct.

04:41:50.820 Jen McCabe.

04:41:52.860 You noticed this SUV outside.

04:41:56.560 You started paying somewhat close attention to it.

04:41:59.060 They are watching her every move, anxiously waiting.

04:42:04.140 The Lexus is seen moving forward a second time,

04:42:07.360 into the proximity of the flagpole.

04:42:09.940 They have no clue if Karen's about to drive off,

04:42:12.800 dial 911, 0.87

04:42:14.400 or bang on their door demanding to speak to John.

04:42:17.680 Also, guys, I'm going to do tomorrow,

04:42:19.660 I'm going to react to not just the Jordan Peterson debate,

04:42:21.800 I'm also going to react to the Charlie Kirk debate that he had,

04:42:26.380 which it's pretty interesting,

04:42:31.140 where they debate on, what's it called?

04:42:34.600 Israel-Palestine.

04:42:37.040 Julie is outside.

04:42:39.080 She tells her brother that she will be staying longer,

04:42:41.800 despite calling him to come pick her up for a ride home.

04:42:44.980 So that's kind of weird.

04:42:47.360 She changes her mind, huh? 0.97

04:42:49.440 Y'all were actually talking for closer to five minutes.

04:42:52.700 The whole thing?

04:42:53.520 Probably, yeah.

04:42:56.840 She walks back into the house.

04:43:00.760 At 12.29,

04:43:02.620 Jen McCabe makes the first of seven calls to John's phone,

04:43:05.880 over the next 21 minutes.

04:43:07.400 Although she insists that each of these calls

04:43:15.580 were made unknowingly and completely accidentally,

04:43:18.800 not a single voicemail was recorded,

04:43:21.580 implying that she not only inadvertently made the calls,

04:43:24.900 but she also inadvertently hung up before a voicemail was triggered.

04:43:29.320 An absurd proposition that any rational person must reject on its face.

04:43:34.100 You claimed that every one of these calls was a butt dial.

04:43:36.860 Is that right?

04:43:38.320 Yes.

04:43:38.980 Definitive evidence that they are hiding something.

04:43:42.180 The chances of this set of anomalies occurring

04:43:44.660 at the exact time required to support her alibi are impossibly low.

04:43:49.200 14 interfaces with that phone over the course of 19 minutes.

04:43:55.200 Those calls were later deleted,

04:43:57.100 and she doesn't have an answer for that either.

04:43:59.600 We are being asked to take Jen at her word

04:44:01.800 when she has every motive to shift the blame away from herself and her family.

04:44:05.800 Finally, Ryan Nagel watches Julie entering the side door as they pull away.

04:44:11.080 All right, so timeline again.

04:44:19.540 They get there at 12.24.

04:44:21.780 Julie comes out two minutes later. 0.99

04:44:23.300 So basically in this two-minute span,

04:44:26.320 I guess he starts getting attacked somewhere in here.

04:44:30.520 Quickly, like literally within a minute of him getting there,

04:44:32.860 assuming that this conspiracy theory is true.

04:44:35.640 I was making sure my sister got in the house okay.

04:44:46.360 Providing him the perfect angle to witness Karen Reed sitting alone in her vehicle, 0.73

04:44:51.120 waiting for John.

04:44:52.440 But you did look inside that as you did.

04:44:54.200 As I passed by, yes.

04:44:55.640 And you saw one person.

04:44:56.940 That's all I saw at the time, yes.

04:44:58.380 Female with long hair. 0.60

04:44:59.520 Correct.

04:44:59.700 Ryan and friends drive away.

04:45:05.820 Karen is now alone for the first time since she arrived.

04:45:12.320 The three of them confirm that they didn't see John outside the entire time they were there.

04:45:17.880 Nor was he in Karen's SUV.

04:45:20.120 Entirely consistent with Karen's story of what happened.

04:45:23.840 Karen leaves between 12.29 and 12.30.

04:45:26.560 We know this because her phone connects to the Wi-Fi network at John's home at 12.36.

04:45:32.680 Okay.

04:45:34.440 Ms. Reed's phone auto-connected to John O'Keefe's Wi-Fi at his house at 12.36 a.m.

04:45:39.780 Google Maps confirms the drive time for that route on that date and time is six to seven minutes,

04:45:45.840 without factoring in the snowy road conditions that night,

04:45:49.100 which would have only slowed travel further.

04:45:50.940 That means the latest Karen Reed could have left 34 Fairview Road,

04:45:56.000 according to the data we have.

04:45:57.580 It's 12.30 a.m.

04:46:02.060 Around 12.45 in the morning when the vehicle was in front of the residents on Fairview,

04:46:07.380 for some perceptual period of time,

04:46:09.460 that vehicle travels over 60 feet in reverse at approximately 24.2 miles per hour.

04:46:14.840 What kind of charade is this?

04:46:16.660 The lead prosecutor is standing in front of an unknowing jury

04:46:20.720 and claiming the defendant committed murder 15 minutes after she left the premises.

04:46:26.620 Shameful.

04:46:27.920 Using such flimsy and misleading information to pin a crime on an innocent woman isn't just gross negligence.

04:46:34.020 So I just want to let you guys know,

04:46:35.660 clearly this video is biased and they're going towards a conspiracy theory,

04:46:38.440 but that's fine.

04:46:39.100 We'll entertain it.

04:46:39.880 We'll see this side.

04:46:40.940 It's a crime in itself.

04:46:42.440 At 12.30.

04:46:43.020 Just keep that in mind that he's obviously, this YouTuber is very,

04:46:47.920 he thinks that this was a conspiracy cover-up, which is fine.

04:46:51.560 Let's entertain it and watch it.

04:46:54.980 I just want you guys to be aware.

04:46:56.460 Behind me to John.

04:47:01.520 With no one outside,

04:47:03.460 they finally have their first chance to address their next immediate problem.

04:47:07.460 At 12.31 and 56 seconds,

04:47:12.640 someone carries John's phone 83 and a half feet,

04:47:15.600 out to the last spot they saw the SUV parked.

04:47:19.760 Conveniently near trees and bushes,

04:47:21.820 providing enough cover to stay out of sight.

04:47:24.560 It is placed there at 12.32 and 16 seconds,

04:47:28.420 which means it took about 20 seconds for someone to move to that location and drop the phone.

04:47:34.280 Although another theory suggests they turned the phone off and placed it outside at a later time.

04:47:40.480 Without a proper investigation, we can only speculate.

04:47:44.240 Regardless, for Karen to have hit John,

04:47:46.760 she would have had to complete a six to seven minute drive in just three minutes and 44 seconds,

04:47:52.340 on slippery, snow-covered roads,

04:47:54.540 with a route that includes a long traffic light.

04:47:57.460 This means that according to the Commonwealth's own forensic data,

04:48:01.060 Karen Reed could not have murdered John O'Keefe.

04:48:04.280 Then who did?

04:48:06.600 And then at 12.40...

04:48:07.680 John O'Keefe.

04:48:08.500 No covered roads,

04:48:09.940 with a route that includes a long traffic light.

04:48:12.900 This means that according to the Commonwealth's own forensic data,

04:48:16.500 Karen Reed could not have murdered John O'Keefe.

04:48:20.540 Then who did?

04:48:22.040 And then at 12.40,

04:48:24.380 he texted hello.

04:48:25.520 Hello.

04:48:25.600 At 12.41,

04:48:36.320 Jen makes call number two of this series. 1.00

04:48:41.500 54 seconds later,

04:48:43.420 call number three.

04:48:45.820 And at 12.42,

04:48:47.820 you texted,

04:48:48.620 where are you?

04:48:49.240 Where are you?

04:48:51.240 At 12.43,

04:49:01.840 she makes call number four.

04:49:04.740 And at 12.45,

04:49:06.560 you texted,

04:49:07.420 hello.

04:49:11.620 At 12.46,

04:49:13.580 call number five.

04:49:14.680 At 12.47,

04:49:23.540 call number six.

04:49:28.280 And finally,

04:49:29.620 at 12.50,

04:49:31.080 Jennifer places call number seven.

04:49:32.880 A highly suspicious pattern of calls.

04:49:45.200 But what's even more interesting is that Jen originally told police that she saw Karen pulling

04:49:50.040 away at 12.45,

04:49:51.620 specifically remembered because it coincided with her last text to John stating hello,

04:49:55.980 which means Jennifer has been caught in another lie,

04:49:59.480 and that she was attempting to place the SUV outside.

04:50:02.880 When it was already back at John's house for nearly 10 minutes.

04:50:08.100 You were also interviewed by Trooper Proctor on January 29th,

04:50:14.100 2022.

04:50:15.260 Jen has also adjusted her story since the beginning to accommodate the Commonwealth's evolving theory.

04:50:21.380 The flagpole was always the last place the SUV had been seen until Jen testifies here. 0.88

04:50:29.000 When I first saw the vehicle,

04:50:30.960 it was straight ahead out the front door stationary.

04:50:39.920 You said you saw it fall up again.

04:50:42.180 Second time.

04:50:43.680 You said you saw it move twice.

04:50:47.280 From one place to the flagpole.

04:50:48.920 Jennifer changes her story now claiming she saw the SUV in position to reverse backwards towards John.

04:51:03.140 It moved to the flagpole and then it moved up again.

04:51:05.840 And like they did over and over again in the first trial to explain why the new story doesn't match the first.

04:51:11.920 They blame police incompetence.

04:51:13.760 No one has done more to damage the reputation of cops everywhere than these people.

04:51:19.760 So as Trooper Proctor was taking notes about what he was saying, he just got it wrong.

04:51:24.820 At no time, did you hear any noise or sound outside that was unusual?

04:51:30.460 Now.

04:51:33.780 You didn't hear any squealing of tires or squealing of brakes?

04:51:37.460 No.

04:51:39.900 You didn't hear any screaming or yelling?

04:51:42.480 No.

04:51:42.920 You didn't hear any loud voices or foul language or doors slam?

04:51:56.700 No.

04:52:06.880 You didn't hear any verbal arguments? 1.00

04:52:08.520 Fuck it! 1.00

04:52:09.620 Fuck it! 1.00

04:52:11.200 Fuck it! 1.00

04:52:11.240 Fuck it! 1.00

04:52:11.440 Fuck it! 1.00

04:52:11.540 Fuck it! 1.00

04:52:11.920 Fuck it! 1.00

04:52:12.920 Anything like that? 1.00

04:52:14.320 No.

04:52:21.560 But I was just picking up the area cleaning.

04:52:25.240 Alright, so let's go on to DUI guy.

04:52:28.840 Alright, so...

04:52:30.880 Jury trial insane moments.

04:52:32.080 Let's see here.

04:52:32.540 Let's go.

04:52:33.100 Well, hello everybody and welcome back to...

04:52:36.880 You guys have been recommending this guy, so let's see what he's got to say.

04:52:39.820 Buckle up, it's the law with attorney Larry Foreman.

04:52:44.680 Folks, today we are going to cover the top three moments of the trial that have happened

04:52:49.740 this past week.

04:52:50.420 Now, unfortunately, we can't even do a top five, let alone forget a top ten.

04:52:53.500 That would...

04:52:53.920 Nothing has significantly happened this week.

04:52:55.960 Not only because it's a short week, but of course, oh, you know the one or possibly even

04:53:00.580 two clips that are going to come from the same witness, Shannon Burgess.

04:53:04.260 Oh my God, this guy.

04:53:06.560 Unbelievable.

04:53:07.220 Just unbelievable, this man.

04:53:09.160 How do you even testify like that about your lack of degree?

04:53:12.980 Oh, folks, if you don't know what I'm talking about, buckle up. 0.99

04:53:15.200 It's about to...

04:53:16.360 I think this is a guy that talked about the three-point turn, if I'm not mistaken.

04:53:19.560 Get interesting.

04:53:20.780 So, without further ado, I give you the top three moments of the Karen Reed trial in Canton,

04:53:26.580 Massachusetts, Norfolk County, from the week of May 9th to May 21st, 2025.

04:53:33.260 Enjoy.

04:53:37.680 And what is that document?

04:53:39.160 So, this document appears to be my CV.

04:53:41.060 And is that a fair and accurate document?

04:53:43.040 It appears to be.

04:53:43.940 It says, Bachelor of General Science in Mathematics and Business Administration,

04:53:47.580 University of Alabama-Birmingham, Alabama-Currently Pursuing.

04:53:52.400 Did I read that correctly?

04:53:53.440 You did read that correctly.

04:53:54.400 So, in those two exhibits, your two CVs in front of you, am I correct that the first

04:53:59.940 one is November 2024, and the second one is April 2025?

04:54:04.860 Yes, that appears to be correct.

04:54:06.160 And in both of those CVs, you indicate that you have not yet earned a bachelor's degree.

04:54:11.540 That is correct.

04:54:12.420 And you certainly have not earned a bachelor of science degree in any educational field,

04:54:18.020 according to those two CVs, right?

04:54:20.240 Correct.

04:54:20.620 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

04:54:21.160 So, he's a high school graduate?

04:54:22.600 And again, nothing against high school graduates, don't get me wrong.

04:54:25.220 There's a lot of very, very, very smart and talented people who hold nothing more than

04:54:29.580 a high school degree.

04:54:30.700 They may even hold an elementary school degree.

04:54:32.820 They never even went to high school.

04:54:33.820 I've met them.

04:54:34.420 And they're brilliant folks.

04:54:35.640 But this guy is presenting himself out as an expert in a field of science and or mathematics.

04:54:40.860 And this is the guy that rewrote his report.

04:54:44.000 Oh my God, it makes so much sense now.

04:54:45.380 It just clicked.

04:54:46.040 He is the one who decided to rewrite his entire report because he doesn't know what he's doing.

04:54:49.460 And in fact, as you sit here today, you do not possess any bachelor's degree.

04:54:54.700 Correct.

04:54:55.860 Hitting is credibility.

04:54:56.640 And the reason, as you state, is because that bachelor's degree is currently pending.

04:55:03.340 That's the term you use.

04:55:04.780 So, I use currently pursuing.

04:55:06.640 Currently?

04:55:07.240 Currently pursuing means you're taking classes actively.

04:55:09.380 Assuming, yes.

04:55:10.440 You have a public profile.

04:55:12.560 No way.

04:55:12.880 That's published on Aperture's website, correct?

04:55:15.440 No way.

04:55:16.040 Yes, I do.

04:55:16.640 And it's in the form of a biography page?

04:55:18.680 No way.

04:55:19.480 Yes, I believe so.

04:55:20.300 And that biography page has your education listed?

04:55:23.480 Very possible, yes.

04:55:24.420 You recognize that document?

04:55:26.000 Yes, I do.

04:55:27.100 And indeed, that is the bio page that's published on Aperture's website, correct?

04:55:33.040 That is what it appears to be, yes.

04:55:34.320 I'd like to turn your focus to the bottom of education.

04:55:38.580 It states, am I correct, sir, BS, mathematics, and business administration?

04:55:43.680 It does state that, yes.

04:55:44.860 And there is no qualification that it's currently pending.

04:55:48.900 It states BS in mathematics and business administration, correct?

04:55:52.760 That's what it states there, yes.

04:55:53.860 Still bad.

04:55:55.900 Falcon Punch! 0.86

04:55:57.940 Oh, Lord.

04:55:59.020 You do not have a Bachelor of Science in Mathematics in Business Administration, do you?

04:56:03.680 No, I do not.

04:56:04.320 My God.

04:56:04.880 And if you click on the hyperlink for your CV on that same website, do you know where

04:56:09.540 that hyperlink takes you?

04:56:11.020 No, I do not.

04:56:11.760 To any member of the public reading this, including prosecutor, a defense attorney, a judge,

04:56:17.320 or a jury, that represents that you received your Bachelor of Science in Mathematics in Business

04:56:22.940 Administration, does it not?

04:56:25.000 Wait, why?

04:56:26.180 Why?

04:56:26.880 Why is that sustained?

04:56:27.620 That was a valid question.

04:56:28.760 That is a direct question.

04:56:30.040 You lied, sir.

04:56:30.960 Aperture is a client of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts in this case, right?

04:56:34.920 Correct.

04:56:35.480 So is it fair to say that your CV, especially when it's published on a LinkedIn or... 1.00

04:56:40.920 Bro, the only BS this guy got is bullshit. 1.00

04:56:43.180 Holy. 1.00

04:56:44.520 They're cooking his ass right now. 0.99

04:56:45.680 ...published on a website is something that is published to intend to have, especially if 0.99

04:56:51.680 you're in the private sector, have clients view and retain your services.

04:56:55.940 That's a hope and an expectation, correct?

04:56:57.880 Yes, that is part of it.

04:56:59.100 Do you recognize that document, sir?

04:57:00.720 Yes.

04:57:01.160 It appears to be a screenshot of my LinkedIn account.

04:57:04.140 You recognize this as a fair and accurate depiction of your personal...

04:57:08.440 Personal.

04:57:08.760 ...page, with the exception of what you just mentioned, correct?

04:57:12.360 Correct.

04:57:12.860 Did you draft that document that's represented as Exhibit WW?

04:57:16.280 I have drafted that over time, yes.

04:57:17.800 So this guy deceived Brennan and Lally and Morrissey about his education.

04:57:23.660 He said, I hold these degrees.

04:57:25.620 Yeah, now his credibility is cooked.

04:57:27.640 But on his real CV, he is currently pursuing, I don't hold these degrees.

04:57:32.020 That's a lie.

04:57:32.720 That's deception.

04:57:33.800 Caught.

04:57:34.340 Attention to your personal...

04:57:36.520 The printout of your personal LinkedIn page and go right to the second page bottom.

04:57:42.640 And under education, it says University of Alabama at Birmingham.

04:57:45.700 It's got a little UAB acronym there.

04:57:50.680 And it says Bachelor of Science, paren, B period, S period, comma, Applied Mathematics and Scientific Computation, 2016-2018.

04:57:59.820 Do you see that, sir?

04:58:00.740 Yes, I do.

04:58:01.540 That's not correct, is it?

04:58:02.740 No, it's not correct.

04:58:03.320 What?

04:58:03.560 You do not hold ABS in a Bachelor of Science in Applied Mathematics and Scientific Computation from the University of Alabama at Birmingham, do you?

04:58:10.860 I do not.

04:58:11.820 And that would have been, at that time, an expected graduation date.

04:58:14.460 Oh, so you shoulda, coulda, shoulda, woulda graduated 2016 to 2018, but you never finished.

04:58:21.460 So you decided, you know what?

04:58:22.320 I'm just going to lie to everybody and get away with it because no one's ever going to catch this. 0.89

04:58:27.720 What a dum-dum, bro.

04:58:30.340 It would be expected, you state.

04:58:32.800 Correct.

04:58:33.380 It would be another word for, is another word currently pursuing?

04:58:38.480 Is that similar to expecting?

04:58:40.100 Sure, that could be similar.

04:58:41.440 But you know how to put currently pursuing down, don't you, sir, because you did it on the first few CVs, but you don't have it on your LinkedIn page.

04:58:48.720 Am I correct?

04:58:49.980 Correct.

04:58:50.680 That's probably because, obviously, that has not been updated in quite some time.

04:58:54.040 It is your responsibility as the holder of the CV, the LinkedIn page, to make sure it is current and not outdated.

04:59:01.540 If you are going to put out there that I am expected to graduate 2016 to 2018, and it is now 2025, and you haven't updated that, that's on you.

04:59:08.440 Because you bear the sole responsibility of making sure that your information is current.

04:59:12.480 Yeah, this is your responsibility, Burgess.

04:59:14.640 Your failure to update.

04:59:16.220 You have deceived the Commonwealth.

04:59:17.920 You lied to Brennan about your credentials, man.

04:59:21.420 It does not get lower than this.

04:59:22.620 I mean, lying on a report, everybody does it.

04:59:25.360 Making facts up on the report, everybody does it.

04:59:27.540 Embellishing facts in your report, everybody does it.

04:59:29.340 Changing the facts in your report, some people do it.

04:59:31.600 But to lie about your foundation?

04:59:34.380 So I was an adjunct professor at the University of Alabama from 2017 to 2019.

04:59:39.060 Mr. Burgess, you never taught as an adjunct professor at the University of Alabama of 2017 to 2019, have you?

04:59:43.780 Nope, just made it up, put it on there, thought it looked good.

04:59:46.280 Meh.

04:59:46.740 Is this guy for real?

04:59:48.400 Is this guy, is this, is this the real life?

04:59:52.040 Wow.

04:59:53.080 Your LinkedIn page, correct?

04:59:54.560 I get selective notifications when people view my LinkedIn page.

04:59:57.440 So you know people are looking at your LinkedIn page.

05:00:00.500 You know people are looking at your education.

05:00:03.140 And you have down here 2016 to 2018.

05:00:08.040 So that time period is seven years old.

05:00:11.340 Seven years.

05:00:12.440 Eighteen, yet you use the 2016 to 2018 on your LinkedIn page.

05:00:18.340 Oh my God, that's correct.

05:00:19.820 Correct.

05:00:20.440 With the caveat that my understanding is people look at your...

05:00:23.460 Today.

05:00:23.760 All right, now we're going to get into the next guy here, which is this detective.

05:00:31.300 Do you believe that this investigation, now I'm going to turn to this investigation, was conducted with professionalism, with competence, at the highest level of integrity?

05:00:39.480 This investigation was conducted professionally, with integrity, and all the evidence collected, all the statements collected, pointed in one direction.

05:00:48.980 There was no bias influence on the evidence, on the information.

05:00:52.940 What he should have said was, and you could tell these guys don't testify that much, though the contents of my colleagues' text messages were unprofessional and done in a comedic fashion, that does not impact the quality of the investigation and the integrity of the investigation whatsoever.

05:01:15.160 Everyone has a sense of humor with their colleagues at work and makes jokes.

05:01:19.460 That does not impact our ability to be forthright, honest, and impartial in conducting the investigation.

05:01:34.020 Workplace banter and jokes do not affect the ability of my colleagues to do this investigation impartially.

05:01:41.380 That's what he should have said.

05:01:42.740 But, you know, obviously, you know, it's an L regardless, because it optically looks terrible.

05:01:48.600 Right?

05:01:49.000 There's not really much you can say.

05:01:52.000 But, yeah.

05:01:53.300 That was collected for which direction the investigation pointed naturally.

05:01:58.080 Former trooper.

05:01:59.840 Drake Zien, I will be covering geopolitics tomorrow.

05:02:02.300 Today is true crime, bro.

05:02:03.600 Sunday is true crime day.

05:02:05.820 Michael Proctor was the person who was the assigned case agent, the lead case agent, in this particular investigation.

05:02:11.900 Correct?

05:02:12.560 Michael Proctor was the case officer for this investigation.

05:02:14.780 He was assigned, ultimately, to use another phrase, as the lead investigator, wasn't he?

05:02:19.360 Come on.

05:02:19.640 Which is the same thing as a case agent on the federal side.

05:02:22.000 This is a state case, so obviously they're going to call him the lead case officer.

05:02:25.760 But, yeah.

05:02:26.720 I'm not going to agree with you.

05:02:28.040 Really?

05:02:28.740 Is there a reason that you want to try to distance yourself from naming Michael Proctor as the lead investigator?

05:02:33.900 Good question.

05:02:34.340 Is there some reason?

05:02:34.980 I am not trying to distance myself.

05:02:36.560 Yes, you are.

05:02:36.760 All I'm saying is the term that I use is the case officer.

05:02:39.180 We're simply case managers.

05:02:40.920 There's no leading investigation in any direction. 0.96

05:02:43.160 Liar. 0.99

05:02:43.680 So, in your mind, well... 1.00

05:02:45.840 When they say lead, that means he's the one that makes the...

05:02:48.840 Oh, my God, bro.

05:02:49.860 See?

05:02:51.280 Lead investigator means you're the one making all the decisions on the case.

05:02:54.060 You are the primary guy for running the investigation, managing the investigation.

05:02:59.320 That's what it is.

05:03:01.120 He totally let the defense attorney trip him up there by saying you're the lead officer, as in leading it in a certain way.

05:03:06.140 Not that manner.

05:03:07.060 In the report, in the Department of State Police report, Michael Proctor, and I quote, I am going to read from the report,

05:03:17.460 when they found him guilty and discharged him from duty from the Massachusetts State Police forever,

05:03:22.420 they wrote, Trooper Proctor, on various dates between January 29, 2022 and August 17, 2022, a seven-month period,

05:03:29.420 did fail to conform to the work standards established for the member's rank title or position,

05:03:34.000 and or did fail to make...

05:03:35.240 With any criminal case, there's always going to be a lead investigator, Chad.

05:03:38.660 ...to take appropriate action.

05:03:40.220 They're the ones responsible for managing the case, writing the reports, you know, presenting the evidence,

05:03:44.680 getting search warrants, all that stuff.

05:03:46.060 On the occasion of a crime disorder or other condition deserving state police attention,

05:03:50.340 this occurred when Trooper Proctor, while assigned as the lead investigator in a homicide investigation,

05:03:59.040 sent derogatory, defamatory, disparaging, and or otherwise inappropriate text messages about a suspect,

05:04:03.420 Karen Reed, in that investigation to other individuals, Buchanek and others.

05:04:07.400 This action is a direct violation of Article 5.8.2, and this is a Class A violation which merited not suspension,

05:04:13.160 not leave, paid or unpaid, but disbarred from the Massachusetts State Police.

05:04:17.940 You know, it's the wrong word, but it just sounds so good.

05:04:20.200 Fired is another way.

05:04:22.240 Discharged from duties forever is another great phrase.

05:04:25.600 He can't say...

05:04:26.240 He can't agree with his own governing agency?

05:04:28.600 What is that?

05:04:29.500 How is that?

05:04:33.840 He is a detective, yes.

05:04:35.280 And he was the one who was assigned by the Massachusetts State Police because of his final call status that night,

05:04:40.460 that morning, January 29th, 2022, he was assigned to a case, correct?

05:04:45.740 Michael...

05:04:46.220 That's enough. Assigned to a case. It's all a massacre.

05:04:48.420 Well, you said a lot before that, so...

05:04:49.980 I said he was assigned to a case.

05:04:51.300 What I said before, that was January 29th, 2022, he was assigned by the Massachusetts State Police

05:04:56.040 as the case officer for this case, right?

05:05:00.480 No.

05:05:01.080 No!

05:05:01.500 Who was?

05:05:01.960 What?

05:05:02.260 He was assigned to be on call a month prior.

05:05:05.080 Just because he was on call, he was assigned the case as a result.

05:05:08.760 He was not assigned...

05:05:09.800 All right, so this is common, guys.

05:05:11.980 And again, this attorney's looking at him crazy because he doesn't understand this.

05:05:15.120 So when you're an investigator, right, there's something called duty, right?

05:05:20.400 And whether it's FBI, DEA, whatever it may be, you're going to get general calls, right, throughout the day, the night, whatever.

05:05:29.820 And what's up happening is when you're the guy on duty, that means all the calls that come in, any case that happens, you're picking it up, okay?

05:05:38.780 So since he was the guy that was on call that week, he ended up taking a case.

05:05:46.660 That's how it goes.

05:05:48.560 So this happens in all law enforcement agencies.

05:05:51.920 Hell, it even works with judges.

05:05:53.580 Like if there's a duty magistrate judge for the week, they see all the people that come in for their initial appearance and all that other stuff, right?

05:06:00.200 So this is across the entire criminal justice system where there's a duty AUSA, there's a duty ADA.

05:06:09.040 Any case that comes through, you know, and you need to call a prosecutor to get a declination or acceptance, there's going to be a duty AUSA if you're a fed. 0.86

05:06:17.340 There's going to be a duty ADA if you're a state guy.

05:06:19.480 So that's just how it goes.

05:06:21.260 So the reason why he picked up this case is because he was the guy that was on call when it came through.

05:06:25.940 I'm the case right there and then because his assignment began much earlier in the day.

05:06:35.820 That's how being on call and being on duty works, Chad.

05:06:39.240 He was.

05:06:40.040 He was.

05:06:40.820 Because he was on call, any case that happened to come in would be assigned to whom?

05:06:46.300 To the on call trooper.

05:06:47.440 There you go.

05:06:48.760 Who was?

05:06:49.560 Was whom?

05:06:50.700 Michael Proctor.

05:06:51.080 It was Michael Proctor.

05:06:51.620 There you go.

05:06:53.220 That's a good boy.

05:06:54.800 Let me just ask you this.

05:06:55.540 Do you believe that Michael Proctor, his involvement in this case, taints the investigation?

05:07:01.140 Yes.

05:07:01.680 Tainted the investigation?

05:07:03.160 No.

05:07:03.540 Yes.

05:07:03.980 Not at all?

05:07:04.720 The investigation was done with honor, integrity, and all the evidence pointed in one direction, one direction only.

05:07:09.180 Honor and integrity by Michael Proctor?

05:07:11.020 Was that a question?

05:07:11.660 I'm sorry.

05:07:12.020 Sure is.

05:07:12.740 Everything I say is a question.

05:07:14.060 Honor and integrity by Michael Proctor?

05:07:15.500 Sir?

05:07:16.800 He's processing.

05:07:17.740 He's trying to come up with an answer.

05:07:19.140 Go ahead and ask you again.

05:07:20.080 I'll ask you again.

05:07:21.180 You said honor and integrity.

05:07:22.580 Honor and integrity by Michael Proctor?

05:07:24.440 Sir?

05:07:25.300 Okay.

05:07:27.200 I'll allow it.

05:07:28.620 The investigation was conducted with honor and integrity, and all the evidence pointed in one direction and one direction only.

05:07:33.820 So, Sergeant...

05:07:34.580 It's like a broken radio.

05:07:35.380 You don't want to answer my question, correct?

05:07:37.580 I will answer your question, absolutely.

05:07:39.480 Do you think this case was handled with honor and integrity by Michael Proctor, Sergeant?

05:07:44.740 The investigation was handled...

05:07:47.000 Just say yes, and that's it.

05:07:49.000 Don't go further.

05:07:49.940 Just say yes.

05:07:50.800 With integrity by Michael Proctor.

05:07:52.860 Oh.

05:07:53.120 You want short answers when you're on cross-examination chat.

05:07:56.160 You want to try to do your best to do short answers.

05:07:58.560 Okay.

05:07:59.600 Wow.

05:08:00.420 Really?

05:08:00.780 You do know that he touched or had input in nearly every part of this case, obviously, is the case officer, correct?

05:08:06.160 He managed the case.

05:08:07.460 So he had some input or had some connection to nearly every part of the case, be it the physical evidence, the search warrants, the interviews, things of that nature.

05:08:14.760 He was one of the involved...

05:08:16.440 Oh, my God.

05:08:16.960 ...with collecting evidence, conducting interviews... 0.99

05:08:18.780 Somebody please shoot me! 0.99

05:08:20.300 ...and signing... 0.98

05:08:21.080 Yeah, he should have just said yes.

05:08:22.160 He keeps...

05:08:22.920 He's dragging it on.

05:08:24.060 Just say yes, dude.

05:08:25.620 Affidavits for the search warrants.

05:08:28.000 He didn't take a minor role.

05:08:29.100 Before I have an aneurysm, I'm going to take a pause and I'll say, don't forget to like this video, comment below, subscribe to the channel.

05:08:34.420 This guy...

05:08:34.980 Actually, yeah, like the videos one and just...

05:08:37.040 I swear to God, what is wrong with this man?

05:08:40.460 I know this there.

05:08:41.040 Hopefully, my editor will splice that in there and show you guys.

05:08:43.940 Shout out to my editor.

05:08:45.060 They're the only one...

05:08:46.100 And with a team of the size that we had working on this case, he did not have a major role.

05:08:51.140 So you believe, as you said here today, your testimony is Michael Proctor did not have a major role in this investigation of Commonwealth versus Karen Reed.

05:08:57.940 Because you didn't have 51% of something?

05:09:01.220 That's your testimony?

05:09:02.040 That's the way I understand it, yes.

05:09:03.120 Okay.

05:09:03.520 I am in physical pain.

05:09:04.720 And the jury hears and reads all of that, folks.

05:09:07.320 Don't be misled.

05:09:07.920 Don't be mistaken.

05:09:12.440 Your goal was to create a timeline, correct?

05:09:15.900 Correct.

05:09:16.320 Have you ever talked to Justin Welcher, your colleague, about this pace at all?

05:09:19.520 I have, vaguely, yes.

05:09:20.680 Did Dr. Welcher ever tell you, your colleague, why he wanted to use that data for his purposes?

05:09:27.500 For reconstructing a timeline.

05:09:29.260 And for reconstructing a timeline and picking a time for what you now call a tech stream event, correct?

05:09:36.760 You knew that's what he was doing.

05:09:38.100 Correct.

05:09:38.420 For a timeline, yes.

05:09:39.080 Right, so you knew that for the 1162.2 tech stream event, he was going to use your analysis back in January of 30, 2020, 25, to try to pinpoint that tech stream event 1162.2, correct?

05:09:53.200 That is correct.

05:09:53.720 You knew that.

05:09:54.440 Yes.

05:09:54.660 And you know that he used that data to select a specific range for that tech stream 1162.2 tech stream event, correct?

05:10:05.040 I don't know if select would be the right one.

05:10:06.780 I understand what you're saying, yes.

05:10:07.940 Oh, yeah.

05:10:08.240 Who would you use?

05:10:09.240 Sure.

05:10:09.480 So based on the data, he's identifying the time approximately when that event would have occurred.

05:10:14.220 Wait, wait, wait.

05:10:15.840 Identifying or manufacturing?

05:10:18.320 Big difference, Burgess.

05:10:19.400 Do you know the purpose of the 1162.2 tech stream event in the analysis performed by your firm?

05:10:28.320 No, Dr. Welcher, I do not.

05:10:29.960 So you performed your analysis.

05:10:32.800 What?

05:10:33.540 In all these timelines that you talked about on direct without knowing what Dr. Welcher was going to do with that data?

05:10:39.620 No.

05:10:40.060 Oh, my God. 1.00

05:10:41.740 You liar.

05:10:43.000 The time and date or to put a time and date with when that tech stream trigger would have occurred.

05:10:47.560 Exactly.

05:10:47.920 So you knew.

05:10:48.580 So you knew what the purpose was of your work with regard to Dr. Welcher's work.

05:10:52.940 Yes.

05:10:53.420 Correct.

05:10:53.760 Yes.

05:10:54.040 And isn't Dr. Welcher's work on the 1162.

05:10:58.580 You can't hide behind the veil of, oh, I misunderstood.

05:11:01.280 You know exactly what you are doing.

05:11:03.440 You're trying to recreate a case from the ground up by changing the facts, manufacturing the evidence, and fabricating what actually happened.

05:11:13.560 Don't play games, Burgess.

05:11:14.600 You know what you're doing, and you know what Welcher is doing, and you're both in cahoots, and you're both getting exposed.

05:11:19.240 Did anybody from the Commonwealth ask you?

05:11:23.400 Oh, it's the fifth anniversary of George Floyd's death?

05:11:25.800 Oh, man.

05:11:26.280 In your January.

05:11:27.100 Beulah, I'm about to go crazy.

05:11:28.100 January 30th, 2020-25 report to not discuss your work in connection with the tech stream 1162.1 and the 1162.2 events.

05:11:41.260 No.

05:11:41.520 But you didn't discuss that, meaning the 1162.1 and 1162.2 events in your first report on January 30th, did you?

05:11:49.480 That was not part of my report, correct.

05:11:50.860 But you did delve into that pretty heavily in your May 8th report, correct?

05:11:57.060 Correct.

05:11:57.400 And you delved into that pretty heavily in the middle of this trial, correct?

05:12:04.460 Correct.

05:12:05.420 So after the trial, you know the trial started around April 22nd?

05:12:09.200 Oh, God.

05:12:10.020 Oh, my God.

05:12:10.820 You guys, prepare yourselves for an absolute annihilation. 0.90

05:12:15.800 I have not seen this before, but I can already tell, Alessi is about to rip this dude's head off of his shoulders. 0.83

05:12:23.520 Let's watch this together.

05:12:24.520 Oh, God.

05:12:25.320 I'm so excited.

05:12:25.920 Yes, generally.

05:12:27.820 So let's do the timeline on this.

05:12:29.940 Yeah.

05:12:30.840 January 30th, 2025, you prepare your initial report, correct?

05:12:36.960 Correct.

05:12:37.520 In that initial report, you mentioned nothing about tech stream event 1162.1, correct?

05:12:43.780 Correct.

05:12:44.200 In that report, you mentioned nothing about tech stream event 1162.2, correct?

05:12:49.160 Correct.

05:12:50.080 The trial starts April 22nd, correct?

05:12:53.660 Correct.

05:12:54.300 Generally.

05:12:54.900 No, no, the trial in this case, this trial, about April 22nd, after the trial starts and

05:13:01.480 after witnesses, of course, are appearing, you prepare another report, correct?

05:13:05.860 Correct.

05:13:06.180 And that's your May 8th report.

05:13:07.900 Correct.

05:13:08.300 Right in the middle of this trial.

05:13:09.860 Correct.

05:13:10.500 And right in the middle of this trial, you enlarge the number for the 21 to 29 range.

05:13:17.520 That's bigger than what was in your first report, correct?

05:13:20.400 No, that is not correct.

05:13:21.480 Well, you changed the number, don't you?

05:13:23.280 No, I did not change the number.

05:13:24.520 Well, let's go back to see exactly what you did, sir.

05:13:27.380 Sure.

05:13:27.520 I'm like Scooby right now.

05:13:28.820 I'm like, so May 8th, you just resubmitted the exact same report, Burgess?

05:13:32.940 We all know you didn't.

05:13:34.240 All right, let's go into the next guy, Turtle Boy.

05:13:36.760 He's also heavily involved in this case, right, on the conspiracy side, right?

05:13:43.180 And this guy actually was arrested, okay, in relation to this case.

05:13:49.540 Aiden Kearney, the journalist and blogger known as Turtle Boy, has been arrested and

05:13:52.780 charged with multiple counts of witness intimidation as well as assault and battery.

05:13:55.780 He was initially charged in a Karen Reed case and later faced charges related to an alleged

05:13:59.020 assault involving a former girlfriend.

05:14:00.860 According to Social Law Library, he was charged with witness intimidation, unlawful picketing

05:14:04.940 to influence a witness, and conspiracy to intimidate a witness.

05:14:07.740 Let's go ahead and click this real quick.

05:14:10.640 All right, Alyssa, thanks.

05:14:11.720 Well, the blogger, who's become closely intertwined with the Karen Reed murder case, is being

05:14:17.220 held without bail.

05:14:18.480 He's actually facing new charges of assault and battery.

05:14:21.400 And this guy's been going viral for this case, for covering it.

05:14:24.260 WBC's Tammy Mutasso is live outside of Dedham Court tracking some fast-moving developments

05:14:30.000 in the case.

05:14:30.700 Tammy.

05:14:33.460 Chris, tonight there is shock from Turtle Boy supporters and his attorney.

05:14:38.200 The entire courtroom gasped when the judge revoked his bail.

05:14:42.120 Yeah, I can't talk about, you know, Karen Reed without bringing this guy up.

05:14:45.480 He's very involved in this case.

05:14:47.620 And now Turtle Boy is locked up on his latest charges of assault and battery and witness

05:14:52.660 intimidation.

05:14:53.480 The turtle boy blogger, Aiden Kearney, walked into court, but this time he didn't walk out

05:15:03.120 after a judge revoked his bail.

05:15:08.440 He's charged with shoving his ex-girlfriend.

05:15:11.320 We're just shocked and disgusted that that's the ruling, and we're going to do everything

05:15:15.840 we can to fight it.

05:15:17.000 Prosecutors say this weekend, Kearney went to the woman's home, demanded to see her phone,

05:15:21.440 then during a confrontation, he shoved her.

05:15:23.660 And it's clear that he did not want to leave the premises without those notes.

05:15:27.460 Then he put his hands on her, then he shoved her back into a couch, and this constitutes 0.99

05:15:32.120 witness intimidation.

05:15:33.300 Kearney's lawyer played a recording of a conversation between the two, where prosecutors say she was

05:15:38.020 pushed, but the defense says that's not what happened.

05:15:40.900 See this for what it is, which is a total fabrication.

05:15:44.120 The tape recording is completely opposite what her sworn affidavit is.

05:15:47.960 What kind of person, Judge, would record something like that and put it on YouTube for the entire

05:15:54.320 world to hear?

05:15:55.220 Outside of court, a war of words were exchanged between Turtle Boy supporters and those who

05:16:01.140 feel empathy for the ex-girlfriend.

05:16:02.700 I thought the charges today were another attempt.

05:16:05.660 Brad Goldstein.

05:16:10.900 I mean, look at him, bro.

05:16:18.960 To silence him, you know, it seems like for the last couple of months, they've been doing

05:16:23.500 everything they can to weaponize the law, to use it against him and try to keep him quiet.

05:16:28.280 Men who use violence against women to silence and intimidate them are the worst.

05:16:33.420 Alice? 0.97

05:16:36.420 You might be one of them, too, man.

05:16:38.180 First dregs of our society.

05:16:39.840 Just last week, Kearney was arraigned on 16 felony charges, including witness intimidation

05:16:45.340 relating to the Karen Reed case.

05:16:48.140 Reed is charged with killing her Boston police officer boyfriend, John O'Keefe.

05:16:52.180 We've not yet begun to fight.

05:16:53.940 We're not giving up the battle here.

05:16:57.420 So let's go ahead.

05:16:59.380 Here's his YouTube channel right here, guys.

05:17:00.920 Let's see here.

05:17:23.080 All right.

05:17:23.560 Let's go to when I was at before.

05:17:27.560 My name is Aiden Carney and I'm the founder.

05:17:29.420 OK, so this is came out a month ago.

05:17:32.060 Full summary of a case by Aiden.

05:17:34.520 My name is Aiden Carney and I'm the founder of Turtle Boy Daily News.

05:17:38.800 For the last two years, I've been reporting on the murder of John O'Keefe and the prosecution

05:17:43.300 of Karen Reed.

05:17:44.700 In doing so, I've exposed unprecedented amounts of corruption in the Massachusetts State Police

05:17:49.900 and the Norfolk County District Attorney's Office.

05:17:53.060 As a result of my relentless journalism and activism, this case has gotten more attention

05:17:58.000 than any murder case since O.J. Simpson.

05:18:03.160 I don't know about that.

05:18:04.820 I'll say the case gets more attention, but that's fine.

05:18:07.500 Millions of people now know that...

05:18:09.580 Or hold on.

05:18:11.580 ...any murder case since O.J. Simpson.

05:18:13.860 Oh, murder.

05:18:14.440 OK, he's talking about murder.

05:18:15.140 Millions of people now know that Karen Reed was framed and that the people who murdered

05:18:21.420 John O'Keefe were protected by their friends and family in law enforcement.

05:18:25.940 This has led to widespread outrage and demonstrations outside the courthouse and in the streets across

05:18:31.960 the country.

05:18:33.300 Because of the damaging effect that my reporting and protesting has had on the Commonwealth's

05:18:37.500 case and reputation, I was arrested by the same police I've been exposing.

05:18:42.320 Hmm.

05:18:43.300 So the police grabbed him up?

05:18:44.960 ...and charged with 16 counts of felony witness intimidation, conspiracy, and picketing.

05:18:50.780 The charges are completely meritless and were designed to get me to stop reporting and

05:18:55.560 stop leading this movement.

05:18:57.140 But, I mean, why do you go to his girl's house, though?

05:18:59.660 ...for justice.

05:19:01.400 An overview of my charges can be found in the video link in the description.

05:19:05.900 All right, let's see here.

05:19:07.400 Although Scanlon didn't specify names, didn't mention Colin Albert or Brian Higgins in particular,

05:19:13.040 they were the only ones who matched the description who were at the house that night.

05:19:16.840 This was the first time Karen... 1.00

05:19:18.720 I will tell you that my client has no criminal intent.

05:19:22.520 She loved this man.

05:19:24.160 She is devastated.

05:19:25.360 He did not state or suggest that his client did, in fact, strike O'Keefe with her car.

05:19:30.740 Karen was admittedly drunk on the evening of January 28th and had no memory of hitting

05:19:35.540 John O'Keefe with her car.

05:19:37.020 She says that she saw him go into the house, but had no idea how he ended up dead on the

05:19:40.880 lawn.

05:19:41.320 She began to wonder if she could have accidentally bumped into John without realizing it.

05:19:45.360 One thing that didn't cross her mind in the days after John died was that the people 0.91

05:19:49.680 inside Brian Albert's house would beat him up and throw him on the lawn to die like trash.

05:19:55.680 That changed on February 3rd, 2022, the day after Reed DeRaymond.

05:20:00.260 Yannetti was visited in his Boston office by a man named Steve Scanlon.

05:20:04.880 Scanlon was a former corrections officer and a longtime friend of Brian Albert.

05:20:08.320 He told Yannetti...

05:20:09.460 Hey, can one of you guys do me a solid and get me the...

05:20:12.740 Can one of you guys in the chat get me a link for the official narrative?

05:20:18.880 We've been looking through the conspiracy theories.

05:20:21.220 Let's get one that kind of illustrates the prosecution case.

05:20:25.540 You know what I'm saying, guys?

05:20:26.200 Because we've watched two videos now that cover the conspiracy.

05:20:28.840 We'll watch this one as well.

05:20:30.260 So do me a solid, guys.

05:20:31.780 If one of you guys can get me one that has the official narrative.

05:20:35.540 And then we can compare and contrast.

05:20:38.180 Well, inside the house and opined that O'Keefe was beaten up by Brian Albert, an ATF agent

05:20:42.600 and Albert's nephew, and that they later moved his body to where Reed found him at 6 a.m.

05:20:46.420 Although Scanlon didn't specify names, didn't mention Colin Albert or Brian Higgins in particular,

05:20:51.100 they were the only ones who matched the description who were at the house that night.

05:20:53.940 This was the first time Karen had heard that Colin was at the house, and it suddenly started

05:20:57.980 making sense what had happened.

05:20:59.340 From that point on, she began investigating the investigation into her and discovered that

05:21:03.100 she was being framed.

05:21:04.420 Scanlon wanted to be a whistleblower, but since he's a coward, he also wanted to remain anonymous

05:21:07.660 and wouldn't sign an affidavit for David Yonetti.

05:21:09.520 When I spoke with Scanlon, he told me that he didn't know for sure what had happened to

05:21:12.460 John, but said that the injuries to John, quote, didn't add up.

05:21:15.340 There's just one problem with that, though.

05:21:16.620 John's autopsy photos weren't released at that time, and his injuries hadn't been reported

05:21:20.320 by any media outlets.

05:21:21.380 So Scanlon would have no idea what his injuries were.

05:21:23.940 Scanlon wasn't wrong, though.

05:21:25.080 When people get run over by cars, they generally have bruises all over their body and broken

05:21:28.320 bones.

05:21:28.760 Not John O'Keefe, though.

05:21:29.800 He had no bruises or broken bones below his nose, but he did have two black eyes, defensive

05:21:34.360 wounds on his knuckles, a three-inch laceration in the back of his head, indicating that he

05:21:38.080 had been hit by a blunt object, and what appears to be dog bites exclusively on his right

05:21:42.220 arm.

05:21:42.540 You don't have to be a doctor to know that a car did not do that.

05:21:45.280 Karen Reed and John O'Keefe dated 20 years ago and reconnected romantically after speaking

05:21:48.900 on Facebook during the pandemic.

05:21:49.900 During those 20 years, John left his job as a Duxbury police officer to join the Boston

05:21:53.380 police department.

05:21:54.080 In 2014, John's sister and brother-in-law tragically died in less than three months of each other,

05:21:58.080 leaving John's-

05:21:58.720 Yeah, just shoot me a link, guys, if you have it, so we can compare and contrast.

05:22:03.640 ...young niece and nephew without their parents.

05:22:05.560 John stepped up and became their parent, raising them alone and moving to Canton.

05:22:08.900 Karen worked for Fidelity as a financial analyst and was an adjunct professor at Bentley

05:22:12.180 University.

05:22:12.760 She owned a home in Mansfield, but for all intents and purposes, was cohabitating with O'Keefe and

05:22:16.460 acting as a de facto stepmother to O'Keefe's niece and nephew.

05:22:19.140 Text messages leading up to the night O'Keefe was killed show that Reed felt taken advantage

05:22:22.360 of by John, as some refer to her as the, quote, babysitter with benefits.

05:22:25.540 Ouch.

05:22:26.020 John didn't like how she spoiled the kids.

05:22:27.540 They argued, as many couples do, sometimes in front of the kids, and discussed breaking

05:22:30.580 up.

05:22:30.840 There was an incident in Aruba a month before John died, where Karen angrily confronted a

05:22:34.240 woman named Marietta Sullivan and accused her of kissing John, and Karen was frustrated

05:22:37.780 that John got drunk during the trip and left her to take care of his kids.

05:22:40.900 Karen herself sought validation and attention from an ATF agent friend of John's named Brian

05:22:45.500 Higgins, who she flirted with over texts in January of 2022, but ultimately ended up

05:22:49.580 ghosting him after a tap kiss in John's garage two weeks before John died.

05:22:52.840 One time, John told Karen to leave the house, but they never ended up breaking up because

05:22:56.160 Karen was so helpful with the children.

05:22:57.540 Despite their occasional arguments, John and Karen were lovey-dovey at CF McCarthy's.

05:23:00.580 On the night, Karen was so helpful before John died.

05:23:06.040 One time, John told Karen to leave the house, but they never ended up breaking up because

05:23:09.340 Karen was so helpful with the children.

05:23:10.740 Despite their occasional arguments, John and Karen were lovey-dovey at CF McCarthy's.

05:23:30.580 On the night that she allegedly killed him and was described by witnesses to be affectionate

05:23:34.100 towards one another.

05:23:34.740 On Friday, January 28th, the huge winter storm coming to Massachusetts was all over the news.

05:23:39.000 John and Karen texted back and forth all day, talking about problems in their relationship.

05:23:42.120 But whatever issues they had with each other wasn't enough to keep them apart that night,

05:23:44.960 as John repeatedly invited her to Canton to drive him around to the bars and get snowed

05:23:48.620 in with him and the kids for the weekend.

05:23:50.220 John went out to a local bar called CF McCarthy's with his friends Mike Camarano and Kurt Roberts.

05:23:54.280 Karen drove in from Mansfield and met them there at 9 p.m.

05:23:57.280 She immediately began ordering drinks and could be seen on camera paying for four. 0.71

05:24:00.780 By 11 o'clock, Reed and O'Keefe made plans to go to a bar across the street and meet

05:24:03.820 up with a woman named Jennifer McCabe, who O'Keefe was friends with because his niece

05:24:06.900 was friends with one of McCabe's four daughters.

05:24:08.740 McCabe was at the bar with her husband, Matt McCabe, her sister, Nicole Albert, Nicole's

05:24:12.160 husband, Brian Albert, Brian's brother, Chris Albert, and Chris's wife, Julie Albert.

05:24:15.740 Joining them there was Brian Higgins, the ATF agent Reed had previously flirted with

05:24:19.240 earlier in the month before, quote, ghosting him.

05:24:21.120 While they were there, Jennifer McCabe invited O'Keefe to Brian Albert's house for an after

05:24:24.360 party, where Brian Albert Jr. was celebrating his 23rd birthday with several friends and

05:24:27.980 his 17-year-old cousin, Colin Albert.

05:24:29.720 One witness described McCabe as trying to separate John from Karen, who had no interest

05:24:33.620 in going to an after party at a stranger's house.

05:24:35.360 After an hour, the bar closed and Brian and Nicole Albert left to go back to their home

05:24:38.380 at 34 Fairview Road.

05:24:39.300 Higgins can be seen on video yelling and pointing in O'Keefe's direction before being held

05:24:43.300 back and restrained by Chris Albert.

05:24:45.040 While he was at the bar, he had texted O'Keefe's girlfriend, um, well, as if to say,

05:24:49.080 why are you ignoring me?

05:24:50.100 He was drunk, upset with O'Keefe, and felt disrespected by O'Keefe's girlfriend.

05:24:53.580 When Nicole and Brian Albert got back home, they testified that their nephew Colin was

05:24:56.580 still there, but that he left within a few minutes.

05:24:58.580 Colin... 0.95

05:24:58.940 All right, hold on one sec, I'm trying to find the goddamn, um, something that shows 0.96

05:25:05.880 the, the prosecution. 0.99

05:25:08.980 It's fine, let me just bring this shit back a little bit. 0.99

05:25:12.480 ...and Matt McCabe, her sister, Nicole Albert, Nicole's husband, Brian Albert, Brian's brother, 0.99

05:25:16.660 Chris Albert, and Chris's wife, Julie Albert.

05:25:18.420 Joining them there was Brian Higgins, the ATF agent who he had previously flirted with earlier

05:25:22.200 in the month before, quote, ghosting him.

05:25:23.840 While they were there, Jennifer McCabe invited O'Keefe to Brian Albert's house for an after

05:25:27.040 party, where Brian Albert Jr. was celebrating his 23rd birthday with several friends and

05:25:30.660 his 17-year-old cousin, Colin Albert.

05:25:32.380 One witness described McCabe as trying to separate John from Karen, who had no interest

05:25:36.300 in going to an after party at a stranger's house.

05:25:38.040 After an hour, the bar closed, and Brian and Nicole Albert left to go back to their home

05:25:41.060 at 34 Fairview Road.

05:25:41.980 Higgins can be seen on video yelling and pointing... 1.00

05:25:44.640 Oh, shit. 1.00

05:25:47.040 This is him right here. 1.00

05:25:51.260 ...in O'Keefe's direction.

05:25:54.000 ...before being held back and restrained by Chris Albert.

05:25:57.580 ...while pointing in O'Keefe's direction at their home at 34 Fairview Road.

05:26:00.500 Higgins can be seen on video yelling and pointing...

05:26:03.260 Okay, so this is him right here.

05:26:05.240 ...pointing in O'Keefe's direction before being held back and restrained by Chris Albert.

05:26:09.680 While he was at the bar, he had texted O'Keefe's girlfriend,

05:26:12.500 Um, well...

05:26:13.900 As if to say, why are you ignoring me?

05:26:16.220 He was drunk, upset with O'Keefe, and felt disrespected by O'Keefe's girlfriend.

05:26:20.780 When Nicole and Brian Albert got back home, they testified that their nephew Colin was

05:26:24.000 still there, but that he left within a few minutes.

05:26:25.940 Colin claimed that he had been there for 90 minutes.

05:26:28.180 Dropped off earlier in the evening by Jennifer McCabe's daughter, Allie, so that he could

05:26:30.960 wish his much older cousin, Brian Albert Jr., a happy birthday.

05:26:33.620 Despite being a teenage meathead who loves to drink and party, Colin's story is that he

05:26:36.840 left the house minutes after his fun uncle arrived at the party because he wanted

05:26:39.580 to get home, kiss his parents goodnight, and go to bed.

05:26:42.060 Right.

05:26:42.340 Physical violence and toughness are things that are encouraged amongst male members of the

05:26:45.440 Albert family.

05:26:45.980 Brian Albert is a former Marine and trained boxer with 30 years of experience as a Boston

05:26:49.500 police officer, serving on the fugitive...

05:26:51.740 Oh, yeah, he was actually featured on a TV show, guys.

05:26:54.280 This guy, Brian Albert.

05:26:56.180 Here, I'll show you guys real quick.

05:26:57.980 Happy birthday.

05:26:58.480 I forget that he was featured on a TV show.

05:27:02.120 Hold on.

05:27:12.260 It was literally featured on a TV show.

05:27:14.160 Hold on.

05:27:14.600 ...unit where he was in charge of tracking down and arresting some of the most violent

05:27:31.440 and dangerous criminals.

05:27:32.420 He reportedly assaulted two other Boston police officers named Eddie Hernandez and Stephen

05:27:36.300 Rich and had a bad reputation amongst the rank and file in the BPD.

05:27:39.500 Chris Albert is a thug who has political power in town.

05:27:41.700 On June 23rd, 2024, he threatened to beat my face up and down the sidewalk.

05:27:45.700 I forget what the name of the TV show was.

05:27:48.840 Outside Steve McCarthy.

05:27:50.040 ...up and down the sidewalk.

05:27:51.080 Two seconds.

05:27:51.420 You'll beat my face?

05:27:52.220 No, I wouldn't.

05:27:52.640 I could.

05:27:53.180 You could, yeah.

05:27:54.080 Yeah, no, what I'm asking, guys, is, uh, J-Bro, I was asking if you can, if someone

05:27:58.740 can give me a YouTube video that shows the prosecution's case.

05:28:01.160 If not, I can outline it for you guys.

05:28:03.120 If not, because right now we're looking at, you know, conflicting theories from the defense

05:28:06.840 that prop up Karen's innocence. 0.99

05:28:09.480 You seem really intimidated.

05:28:10.400 I was going to try to keep it unbiased and show the other side for the prosecution, but

05:28:13.340 I can outline it myself if needed.

05:28:15.000 Then watched gleefully as one of his employees and his crazed sister-in-law, Jill Daniels,

05:28:19.480 assaulted me on camera. 1.00

05:28:20.700 You are a fucking prick. 1.00

05:28:22.740 There she is. 1.00

05:28:23.140 You know what? 1.00

05:28:23.460 I'm so sick of your shit. 1.00

05:28:24.680 Chris knew he can get away with this because the McAlbert... 1.00

05:28:26.740 Massachusetts for you.

05:28:28.540 ...basically run the town again.

05:28:29.680 Chris is on the board of selectmen.

05:28:30.800 His brother, Kevin Albert, is a detective sergeant.

05:28:32.480 Brian Albert is a legend.

05:28:33.420 And Tim Albert, once owned a pool.

05:28:34.660 As a member of the select board, Chris is in charge of hiring the police chief who works for him.

05:28:37.980 Unsurprisingly, Chief Helena Rafferty and former Chief Ken Berkowitz both supported Chris

05:28:42.080 Albert's campaign for selectmen and used their positions of authority to cast doubt on what

05:28:46.100 was plainly a cover-up in the eyes of any rational person.

05:28:48.560 Chief Berkowitz allowed Brian Higgins to have an office at the Canton Police Department and

05:28:51.580 asked the reporter to take down a tweet on February 1st, 2022, because the tweet mentioned

05:28:56.260 the fact that John O'Keefe's body was found on Brian Albert's front lawn and Brian Albert was a

05:29:00.080 quote, pillar of the community who didn't deserve to have his reputation tarnished.

05:29:03.560 In November of 2023, the people of Canton held a special town meeting where they voted to audit

05:29:07.080 the police department despite the select board and Chris Albert voting 5-0 not to.

05:29:11.600 Colin was the star of the Canton High School football team and the quintessential jock who 0.97

05:29:14.680 thought football was cool but Shakespeare was a loser.

05:29:17.140 He was also neighbors with O'Keefe and had reportedly gotten into shouting matches with his 0.71

05:29:20.260 much older neighbor after throwing beer cans on O'Keefe's lawn.

05:29:22.560 Colin's parents jokingly referred to O'Keefe as Nevercracker and in reference to a grumpy

05:29:26.600 cartoon character who didn't like people on his lawn.

05:29:28.720 Colin has a history of violence and has gotten to several fights that were memorialized on video.

05:29:37.600 He had also issued disturbing threat to a group of teenage hockey players from Hingham known

05:29:41.640 as the Advantage Boys.

05:29:43.240 Yo, you're Advantage Boys. 1.00

05:29:45.160 I will beat all your asses. 1.00

05:29:47.440 I promise you, I will fuck you all up. 1.00

05:29:50.240 Pull up, bitch. 1.00

05:29:51.040 Despite this, Colin claimed during the trial that he had never been in a fight before, 1.00

05:29:54.860 something that was undeniable perjury.

05:29:58.160 Like many others, Colin looked up to and admired his Uncle Brian.

05:30:00.800 Family photos of the Alberts almost always show the men

05:30:03.120 Yep, all fists.

05:30:09.480 Either giving the middle finger to the camera or holding up their fists like boxers do. 1.00

05:30:12.700 The Commonwealth wants us to believe that as soon as his Uncle Brian got back to the party,

05:30:15.760 Colin just immediately decided it's time to leave.

05:30:17.880 Colin, Chris, and Julie Albert have all known state police detective Michael Proctor for decades.

05:30:22.020 And as luck would have it, Proctor ended up being a side lead investigator for O'Keefe's murder.

05:30:25.940 Seven-year-old Colin was the ring bearer in Proctor's sister, Courtney's wedding.

05:30:30.160 Oh, she's really getting into weeds. 1.00

05:30:32.900 A side lead investigator for O'Keefe's murder.

05:30:34.920 Seven-year-old Colin was the ring bearer in Proctor's sister, Courtney's wedding.

05:30:42.560 There's pictures of Colin and his family all over Courtney's Facebook page.

05:30:45.460 And Proctor's own mother referred to the Alberts as a, quote, second family.

05:30:48.980 Yet Proctor did not recuse himself from the investigation or disclose this close relationship.

05:30:53.240 In fact, he denied knowing that when he testified in front of the grand jury that invited Reed.

05:30:57.060 He said he didn't know him.

05:30:57.780 Karen discovered by researching the Albert and Proctor families on social media this was a lie.

05:31:01.120 Throughout the investigation, Proctor went out of his way to protect the McAlberts by treating them as witnesses instead of potential suspects.

05:31:06.900 And not interviewing eyewitnesses and even accepting bribes from the Alberts on the day that Reed was arrested.

05:31:12.040 Shortly after Brian Nicole arrived at 34 Fairview Road, Jennifer and Matt McCabe pulled into the driveway and parked there.

05:31:17.000 At 1214, John O'Keefe had just left the waterfall bar with Karen Reed and texted Jim McCabe asking where to.

05:31:21.640 At 1218, he called her asking her to clarify directions.

05:31:24.400 Unfamiliar with the town that she didn't live in, Karen went slightly out of the way to get there, coming from the east on Cedar Crest Road.

05:31:29.000 She missed the left-hand turn onto Fairview Road, did a U-turn in the driveway, and then she went back to Fairview Road.

05:31:33.560 When she did so, a truck was coming from the opposite direction and was trying to turn left onto Fairview Road.

05:31:37.600 Inside that truck was Ricky D'Antonio, Heather Maxson, and her boyfriend Ryan Nagel, whose sister Julie Nagel was a friend of Brian Albert Jr., and it called him looking for a ride home.

05:31:45.380 D'Antonio allowed Reed to turn onto 34 Fairview and drop John off in the driveway, where she claims that she saw him run quickly to the side door.

05:31:52.400 D'Antonio, Maxson, and Nagel pulled in seconds afterwards and testified that they did not see John O'Keefe run into the house.

05:31:57.660 Which would make sense, because the other cars in the driveway would have obstructed their view from seeing him.

05:32:02.020 Karen had no intention of going inside, because she didn't know anyone there.

05:32:04.560 And throughout the whole scene, she just thought it was sketchy, because the house was dark and Higgins had just yelled at O'Keefe before leaving the bar.

05:32:09.440 But John was drunk and wanted to go, so she agreed to drop him off.

05:32:11.780 Alright, I'm back.

05:32:12.760 The plan was for him to call or text her that he was inside to let her know everything was fine, and she'd go back to his house three miles away at One Meadows Ave, where his 14-year-old Neves was home alone.

05:32:20.180 But John never called or texted Karen Reed again.

05:32:22.100 As she waited outside, she became frustrated with John for not calling her, and assumed that he had once again gotten drunk and left her to take care of his kids.

05:32:28.260 After 10 minutes, she left and drove back to John's house, leaving all sorts of angry voicemails and text messages accusing him of cheating on her.

05:32:34.660 This is the exact opposite thing that you would do if you just murdered someone.

05:32:38.680 Scott Peterson and countless other killers have left voicemails for their victims, pretending to be worried about them.

05:32:42.660 Reed's messages indicated that she thought John was alive, possibly with another woman, and had left her alone to watch his children.

05:32:58.280 Who wouldn't be pissed?

05:32:59.080 According to Trooper Nicholas Garino, Karen Reed logged into John's Wi-Fi at 12.36 a.m.

05:33:02.920 The 2.3-mile trip from Fairview Road to One Meadows Ave, which included going through a traffic light in the center of town, would have taken... 0.92

05:33:08.100 Yeah, because I mean, I guess you could make the argument, you know, damned if she does, damned if she doesn't, right? 1.00

05:33:11.960 If she, you know, talks shit to him, oh, you're angry. 0.99

05:33:14.740 But if she says, oh, my God, I'm wondering where you are, they'll look at it as a cover-up. 1.00

05:33:18.060 So I see his perspective.

05:33:19.080 And I covered the Lacey Peterson case.

05:33:20.580 I remember that one.

05:33:22.660 Yeah. 0.99

05:33:23.280 Yeah, I remember that one as well, where, yeah, he was sending those messages to make it look like he gave a shit, but he actually killed her. 0.99

05:33:28.040 In at least six minutes in ideal conditions. 0.99

05:33:30.640 In the snow, it would take much longer.

05:33:32.220 That means Karen had to leave Fairview Road no later than 12.30 a.m.

05:33:35.520 This presents a huge problem for the Commonwealth.

05:33:37.920 Ricky D'Antonio, Heather Maxson, and Ryan Nagel all testified that Julie Nagel came out

05:33:41.780 and said that she was going to stay there instead.

05:33:43.220 They all left while Karen Reed was still parked outside and drove by her Lexus. 0.87

05:33:46.380 All three of them testified that they saw Karen Reed alone in her car with the interior lights on in her hands at 10 and 2 on the steering wheel.

05:33:52.420 None of them saw John O'Keefe inside the car with Karen Reed.

05:33:54.560 None of them saw O'Keefe on the ground outside the car or standing outside the car.

05:33:58.040 This means there could only be one place that O'Keefe was inside Brian Albert's house.

05:34:02.420 The forensic evidence backs this up.

05:34:04.000 John's Apple Health data shows that he ascended and ascended three flights of stairs between 12.22 and 12.24 a.m.

05:34:08.600 Karen's Apple Health data does not show her going up any flights of stairs during that time.

05:34:11.780 This means that Reed and O'Keefe could not be in the same place at that time.

05:34:14.780 Brian Albert has two flights of stairs in his house.

05:34:16.780 Karen Reed Lexus doesn't have a basement. 0.66

05:34:18.440 Don't worry, though, the Commonwealth has an explanation for that.

05:34:20.300 You see, John's GPS, which has a three-minute standard deviation from the actual time,

05:34:23.940 shows that he wasn't there yet at 12.22.

05:34:25.680 According to Detective Garino, the Norfolk DA's forensic expert,

05:34:29.260 John was on Oakdale Road and was probably moving the phone up and down in the car.

05:34:32.560 The movement of the phone, the distance traveled, it's going to register a step.

05:34:34.720 You don't have to physically be walking and moving the phone for it to register movements.

05:34:37.840 Just waving around and then could potentially cause it to think you're walking and moving.

05:34:41.280 Which somehow tricked Apple into believing that he had just climbed a couple flight stairs.

05:34:44.760 Garino testified that it was a very hilly street.

05:34:46.460 So I tried driving down Oakdale Road to see if I could get my Apple Health data to say I climbed stairs.

05:34:50.940 This is...

05:34:51.280 This is cool that he did this, actually.

05:34:54.960 So, the state says just by moving sometimes, it'll signify it as you taking steps.

05:35:02.360 Let's see what happens when he does it.

05:35:03.680 What I found.

05:35:04.360 Look how flat the street is.

05:35:06.080 Are you kidding me?

05:35:07.560 Are you kidding me?

05:35:08.220 Watch out for the hill, kid.

05:35:09.000 The flattest street in Canton.

05:35:11.540 Unsurprisingly, my Apple Health data did not show that I had climbed any flights of stairs.

05:35:14.900 D'Antonio, Maxson, and Ryan Nagle all testified that there were no cars in between them and Reed's Lexus.

05:35:18.960 This presented a problem for the Commonwealth, so they had to try to find a way to discredit them.

05:35:21.780 The solution to this was for Matt McCabe, Gem McCabe, and Brian Higgins to make up a lie

05:35:25.520 that Higgins had parked his white Jeep next to Brian Albert's mailbox,

05:35:28.220 which would have been in between the Lexus and D'Antonio's truck.

05:35:30.760 And after the end of the driveway, there was a Jeep, and after the Jeep was the SUV.

05:35:34.260 You did not see, for instance, a Jeep with a snowplow on the front parked in between you.

05:35:38.600 I did not.

05:35:38.940 In fact, you indicated that that Jeep was just a little bit in front of the mailbox, meaning

05:35:42.220 about there, correct?

05:35:44.720 Yes.

05:35:45.180 You certainly did not see a full-sized Jeep Wrangler outfitted with a snowplow between the SUV

05:35:50.100 and Rick's truck.

05:35:50.980 I did not.

05:35:51.660 I want to ask a question about Mr. Higgins.

05:35:53.140 Mm-hmm.

05:35:53.980 You said on Friday that you saw his vehicle when you got to see it, correct?

05:35:57.020 Yes.

05:35:57.880 You said that it was pulled up a little bit in front of the mailbox, correct?

05:36:00.380 Yes.

05:36:00.980 Did any car pull in between Ricky's truck and the SUV when you were sitting behind the SUV?

05:36:04.520 No, sir.

05:36:04.800 You didn't see a Jeep?

05:36:05.600 No, sir.

05:36:05.920 With a big old snowplow in front of it?

05:36:07.080 No, sir, I did not.

05:36:07.580 That car was never between your car and the SUV, was it?

05:36:09.480 I never saw any other vehicle in between us.

05:36:10.840 And then after the end of the driveway, there was a Jeep, and after the Jeep was the SUV,

05:36:14.860 the dock SUV.

05:36:15.540 Timeline of Karen getting back to One Meadows Ave at 1236 was also problematic because Jen McCabe

05:36:20.800 testified that she looked out the window three times and Karen was still there at 1245.

05:36:24.560 The Commonwealth claims that Karen struck John with her car at 1232.

05:36:28.000 And we know that that's impossible because we have the Wi-Fi, her phone connecting to Wi-Fi at 1236.

05:36:32.800 So there's no way she would have been still in front of the house at 1245, which, you know,

05:36:37.640 is a good piece of evidence, you know, to Karen's benefit.

05:36:42.940 Meaning she couldn't get back to O'Keefe's house by 1236, and she definitely wouldn't

05:36:47.680 still be at Brian Albert's house at 1245.

05:36:50.100 In order to make it look like she was worried about where John was, Jennifer McCabe called

05:36:53.500 his phone six times between 1240 and 1250.

05:36:56.440 She later testified that they were actually butt dials, none of which resulted in a voicemail

05:37:00.380 being left on John's phone because she would hang up and then, I guess, butt dial again.

05:37:04.040 Then there's the Canton Library video, which perfectly captures the intersection in the

05:37:07.980 middle of town that Karen would have driven through on her way back to John's house.

05:37:11.040 If she had just hit John with her car, then her taillight would be visibly broken on that

05:37:15.500 surveillance video, and they could nail her. 0.97

05:37:17.580 The IT director, Louis Judtress, gave state police a share file with all the footage from

05:37:22.220 that night, which Proctor then burned onto a CD.

05:37:24.520 When he did that, the footage from the two-minute window where Reed drove by was mysteriously

05:37:29.420 missing.

05:37:29.920 You got that?

05:37:30.500 It recorded everything except for when the woman with the allegedly broken taillight drove

05:37:35.300 by.

05:37:35.640 How convenient.

05:37:36.500 But the library wasn't the only place that surveillance videos that could have shown the condition

05:37:40.200 of Reed's taillight as she drove back to John's house.

05:37:42.400 There's hundreds of homes along the way, many of which have ring cameras.

05:37:45.700 Did police ask any of these homeowners to look at them?

05:37:47.920 I randomly stopped and asked the homeowner, who told me no one ever asked him for his.

05:37:52.300 Who does it say you need to know now?

05:37:53.660 So I was just wondering, did the state police ever come by here and ask for ring camera footage

05:37:59.100 from the night of, from the morning of January 29th, 2022?

05:38:02.300 Uh, no, they haven't.

05:38:05.840 They haven't.

05:38:06.380 Normally, police canvass all over town asking for ring and other surveillance videos.

05:38:10.220 But the murder of a Boston cop wasn't worthy of that sort of effort, apparently?

05:38:13.940 They knew Reed's taillight wasn't broken at 1235, and they knew that asking to look at

05:38:18.640 videos would exonerate her.

05:38:20.340 Inside the house, when Karen Reed left, were Matt McCabe, Jen McCabe, Brian Albert, Nicole

05:38:25.740 Albert, Brian Albert Jr., Caitlin Albert, Julie Nagel, Brian Higgins, and Albert Jr.'s friend, 0.94

05:38:30.500 Sarah Levinson, but for 10 plus people at that fucking house, some reason people didn't 0.84

05:38:34.900 question Nagel or Levinson until nine months after Oki's death and Caitlin Albert, Brian 0.99

05:38:39.600 Albert Jr., and several others until 18 months later, despite the fact that they all would

05:38:44.600 have likely heard or seen a murder less than 50 feet from where they were standing.

05:38:49.660 Proctor had no interest in speaking with any of these people.

05:38:53.020 Not a single person inside the house reported hearing a man who was invited over the house

05:38:57.020 being hit by a car outside.

05:38:58.340 Matt and Jen McCabe testified that they were looking out the window frequently.

05:39:01.440 Matt McCabe even said that he saw V-shaped tire tracks in the snow.

05:39:05.160 Remarkably, neither of them noticed John O'Keefe's body on the front lawn.

05:39:08.440 John was 6'2", 220, and was found just 10 feet from the curb.

05:39:11.900 Yet not a single person saw his body as they drove directly past where the Commonwealth claims

05:39:16.540 O'Keefe's body was, which would have been illuminated by the bright white snow.

05:39:19.700 They all had their own excuses for that, including peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

05:39:23.620 Then there's Tristan Morris and Caitlin Albert.

05:39:25.620 Tristan was at the waterfall with his girlfriend, Caitlin, but left early to go back to their

05:39:29.220 apartment east end and sleep for a couple hours before waking up to plow.

05:39:32.380 Caitlin planned on staying the night at her parents' house at 34 Fairview Road.

05:39:35.940 But for some unexplained reason, Tristan was woken up in the middle of this night by Caitlin,

05:39:41.400 who told him to come and pick her up.

05:39:43.140 What happened to change your plans?

05:39:44.660 Perhaps a Boston police officer was beaten to death inside the home that she was supposed

05:39:48.560 to sleep in that night.

05:39:49.460 Hmm.

05:39:49.720 In Michael Lang's police report, it says that he spoke with Brian and Nicole Albert, who told him

05:39:53.180 that Caitlin Albert left at 1215 with Tristan.

05:39:55.960 Conveniently, this would have gotten her out of the house before John and Karen arrived.

05:40:00.040 And thus, police would have no reason.

05:40:01.460 Remember, they got there at 1224-ish.

05:40:04.240 ...a questioner.

05:40:04.860 But after Caitlin and her parents received a summons from the FBI to testify at the federal

05:40:09.580 grand jury, the Alberts were advised by their attorney, Greg Henning, not to lie about when

05:40:14.440 they left because the feds already knew the answer to that.

05:40:17.060 Caitlin...

05:40:17.380 Hold on.

05:40:17.900 Let's get that real quick.

05:40:19.020 Greg Henning, FBI, to have no reason to question her.

05:40:21.780 But after Albert, who told him that Caitlin Albert left at 1215 with Tristan, conveniently,

05:40:26.300 this would have gotten her out of the house before John and Karen arrived.

05:40:29.840 And thus, police would have no reason to question her.

05:40:31.940 But after Caitlin and her parents received a summons from the FBI to testify at the federal

05:40:36.660 grand jury, the Alberts were advised by their attorney, Greg Henning, not to lie about when

05:40:42.460 they left because the feds already knew the answer to that.

05:40:45.080 Caitlin admitted that Tristan did not pick her up until 145.

05:40:48.320 And when Brian Albert was asked about the 1215 time in Link's report, Albert blamed

05:40:52.300 Link for writing down the wrong time.

05:40:54.320 If police knew that Tristan had picked up Caitlin at 145, it would make Tristan a witness

05:40:58.220 since he would have driven right past where John O'Keefe was allegedly dying of hypothermia.

05:41:02.280 At trial, Tristan claimed that he never saw a body on the lawn because he was distracted,

05:41:06.060 just like everyone else who left the house that night.

05:41:08.080 Mm-hmm.

05:41:08.440 The more people involved in a conspiracy, the harder it is for everyone to keep their story

05:41:12.240 straight.

05:41:12.600 This is why Brian Albert and Jennifer McCabe went out of their way to say that their kids

05:41:16.720 had all left before John and Karen arrived.

05:41:19.200 Less people to interview means less people to tell a different version of events of the

05:41:23.140 story.

05:41:23.540 After Jennifer McCabe got home from dropping off Julie Nagel and Sarah Levinson, her Apple

05:41:27.980 health data shows that she went upstairs and was pacing around all morning.

05:41:31.100 Her heart rate shows that she never went to sleep.

05:41:33.180 Something was on.

05:41:34.320 Interesting.

05:41:34.720 On her mind.

05:41:36.200 Then at 227.

05:41:37.560 Very, very interesting.

05:41:38.320 In 40 seconds, she Googled the most incriminating thing she could possibly have Googled.

05:41:42.740 How long to die in cold?

05:41:44.040 Except she spelled.

05:41:46.880 Hosslong to die in cold. 0.96

05:41:47.880 Why would she Google this if she thought John O'Keefe had decided to go home with Karen

05:41:51.500 Reed and never went inside Brian Albert's house?

05:41:53.700 She had to have known that the plan was to put O'Keefe's body out on the lawn to make it

05:41:58.060 look like he had died from hypothermia after being struck by a car.

05:42:00.980 McCabe must have realized it was a huge mistake to Google this because the celebrate extraction 1.00

05:42:05.240 report of her phone shows that she deleted the search along with 18 phone calls made that

05:42:09.640 morning.

05:42:10.100 In order to cover her tracks, she planned to Google the same thing the same exact way

05:42:14.120 after O'Keefe's body was found because it would be more explainable after finding out

05:42:18.200 he was lying in the snow.

05:42:19.300 She ended up doing this at 624 but claims Karen Reed was the one who told her to do this

05:42:23.100 while John O'Keefe was being wheeled into the ambulance.

05:42:25.180 However, according to Sergeant Good's testimony, Karen Reed was alone in the car at 624 and

05:42:30.180 dashed camera footage confirms this.

05:42:31.900 Jennifer McCabe was trying to cover her tracks. 1.00

05:42:34.480 The answer to Jen's question is one to two hours.

05:42:36.820 That's all it would take for a person to die from hypothermia in an 18 degree snowstorm.

05:42:40.820 If Karen Reed struck John O'Keefe with her car at 1232, then he should have been dead

05:42:45.420 when his body was discovered at 6 a.m.

05:42:47.180 But he wasn't, so he couldn't have been out there for very long.

05:42:50.020 Jennifer McCabe handed her phone over to police just days after O'Keefe's death and the

05:42:53.520 contents were all extracted by Detective Garino.

05:42:56.580 Nowhere in Garino's report did it mention anything about a deleted Google search for

05:43:00.760 Haas long to die and cold at 227 a.m.

05:43:03.920 In fact, it didn't show the 624 search for the same thing either.

05:43:07.180 And as it turned out, Garino has a history of manipulating Cellbrite data extraction reports.

05:43:12.000 In February of 2021, a pregnant woman named Sandra Birchmore was found dead in her Canton

05:43:16.880 apartment in what state police, many of whom were involved in the Reed investigation,

05:43:21.040 immediately determined was a suicide by hanging with the belt.

05:43:24.180 But Birchmore was last visited in her apartment by 6'4'' Stoughton police detective Matthew

05:43:29.100 Farwell, who had impregnated her and wasn't happy about it due to the fact that he was

05:43:32.840 married with two kids and was about to have a third.

05:43:34.880 Farwell met Birchmore when he was working in the Stoughton High School Explorers program.

05:43:38.840 She was just 15 years old when he started having sex with her and 23 when she died.

05:43:43.780 But Farwell... 0.81

05:43:44.120 Oh, man.

05:43:47.240 Can is cooked.

05:43:48.380 Falcon punch! 1.00

05:43:50.480 The fuck is going on, man? 0.99

05:43:52.220 Farwell was never treated as a real suspect, just as the people inside Brian Albert's house 0.99

05:43:57.320 were never treated as suspects.

05:43:58.800 He handed over his phone to Garino, who said that he couldn't retrieve 32,709 text messages

05:44:05.160 between Birchmore and Farwell, much like he couldn't find Jennifer McCabe's Google searches

05:44:09.280 because they were deleted too.

05:44:10.980 But Cellbrite extracts deleted messages and Google searches as well.

05:44:14.660 Luckily, the FBI ended up looking into the case and found all the deleted messages showing

05:44:19.180 that Farwell was into violent rape fantasies.

05:44:21.500 In August of 2024, he was arrested by the FBI for murder.

05:44:25.180 If it was up to Garino, the Cannes police, and Lieutenant John Fanning, another one of

05:44:29.100 Proctor's bosses who was in charge of the Birchmore investigation, Farwell would still

05:44:32.800 be walking the streets today.

05:44:34.400 The Google...

05:44:34.840 Hold on.

05:44:35.640 That's...

05:44:36.120 That's interesting.

05:44:37.660 Let me look...

05:44:38.020 It's just 15...

05:44:38.600 Let me look at this real quick.

05:44:43.080 Stoughton.

05:44:43.560 This was eight months ago.

05:44:57.900 Hold on.

05:45:14.520 Quick little deviation chat.

05:45:15.780 Good afternoon.

05:45:21.340 On February 4th, 2021, Sandra Birchmore was found dead in her Canton, Massachusetts apartment.

05:45:30.300 The charges filed today in federal court allege that she was, in fact, murdered by Matthew

05:45:37.240 Farwell three days earlier.

05:45:40.040 At the time of her death, Sandra Birchmore was a 23-year-old woman with her entire life

05:45:45.980 ahead of her.

05:45:46.460 And she was pregnant with her first child.

05:45:50.300 We allege that Sandra Birchmore survived years of grooming, statutory rape, and then sexual 1.00

05:45:57.800 violence, all at the hands of Matthew Farwell, who was employed throughout their relationship

05:46:02.780 as an officer and then detective for the Stoughton Police Department.

05:46:07.460 And when it became clear to Mr. Farwell that he could no longer control Sandra Birchmore,

05:46:12.360 he allegedly silenced her permanently.

05:46:16.760 This morning, Matthew Farwell was arrested on a federal grand jury indictment, charging

05:46:22.680 him with one count of killing a witness or victim.

05:46:27.220 Specifically, Mr. Farwell is charged of violating Title 18, United States Code 1512.

05:46:33.820 And I got the indictment for you guys right here.

05:46:42.360 Killing a witness or a victim.

05:46:46.900 Now, like I said before, the feds normally do not go after murder, but since it was involved

05:46:53.640 with her being a witness or a victim, they were able to go ahead and get some jurisdiction

05:46:57.020 here, which is interesting.

05:47:00.060 For killing Sandra Birchmore with the intent of preventing her from communicating information

05:47:04.900 about his possible commission of federal crimes.

05:47:09.140 How did this all unfold?

05:47:10.420 What happened here?

05:47:12.460 Well, back in 2010, a 12-year-old Sandra Birchmore applied to join the Stoughton Police Department's

05:47:18.440 Explorers Program, which introduces teens to policing.

05:47:23.020 Officer Matthew Farwell was an instructor in that program.

05:47:26.820 And as alleged court documents, he befriended Sandra Birchmore, contacted her online, went to

05:47:32.380 the library with her, became friends on Facebook, essentially groomed her. 0.91

05:47:36.120 And then he committed statutory rape by having sex with her when he was a 27-year-old police 0.78

05:47:42.900 officer, and she was just 15 years old. 0.74

05:47:46.420 Mr. Farwell continued to have a sexual relationship. 1.00

05:47:50.300 Fucking weirdo, man. 1.00

05:47:52.260 What's the... 1.00

05:47:53.160 Hold on one sec.

05:47:57.080 What's the age of consent in Massachusetts?

05:47:59.800 16.

05:48:09.900 Dude's a weirdo for that, man. 1.00

05:48:11.380 God damn. 1.00

05:48:12.100 Sandra Birchmore until her death eight years later, allegedly meeting her for sex regularly 1.00

05:48:17.120 when he was on duty and being paid by the Stoughton Police Department.

05:48:20.340 Wow.

05:48:22.980 Now, in the weeks leading up to Sandra Birchmore's death in February 2021, she found out that

05:48:28.540 she was expecting a baby.

05:48:30.820 And she told Mr. Farwell that he was the father.

05:48:35.560 According to court documents, Ms. Birchmore was very excited about becoming a mother, buying

05:48:41.800 baby clothes and other items, taking precautions to ensure the health of her new child.

05:48:48.260 Sandra Birchmore had good friends, she had a good job, she had dreams of becoming a nurse,

05:48:52.760 and she had a child on the way.

05:48:54.580 But Mr. Farwell did not share in that excitement.

05:48:57.720 It's alleged that Mr. Farwell reacted quite negatively to the news that Sandra Birchmore was

05:49:03.120 pregnant with his child.

05:49:05.320 And he acted angrily, it is alleged, when Sandra Birchmore started making requests of Mr.

05:49:09.960 Farwell around doctor's appointments and ultrasounds and what information would be on the birth

05:49:14.400 certificate.

05:49:14.760 Mr. Farwell was losing control in late 2020, early 2021.

05:49:20.200 And the information that Sandra Birchmore possessed about his illegal conduct was in

05:49:25.640 danger of slipping out.

05:49:27.200 In fact, word started to get out about their relationship.

05:49:30.680 Less than two weeks before she was found dead, someone called the Stoughton Police Department

05:49:35.760 and disclosed that Matthew Farwell had had a relationship with Sandra Birchmore.

05:49:39.980 And when Mr. Farwell learned about that, that call, he became visibly angry.

05:49:46.360 Mr. Farwell, it is alleged in these court papers, started to lose his patience, lose his temper,

05:49:51.700 and the six-foot-four-inch Mr. Farwell started to be physically violent with four-foot-ten-inch

05:49:57.700 Sandra Birchmore.

05:49:58.320 What, four-foot-ten?

05:49:59.880 Sandra Birchmore told her friends that Mr. Farwell had pushed her and shoved her.

05:50:04.140 This story has played out in several Massachusetts communities.

05:50:11.100 Let's show you a map right now.

05:50:12.920 It's in Stoughton is where Matthew Farwell met Sandra Birchmore and allegedly groomed her

05:50:18.520 as a sexual predator.

05:50:19.580 In Canton is where Birchmore went into custody as he was driving a gravel truck. 0.58

05:50:35.600 The details that later surfaced about why he was taken into custody. 0.99

05:50:38.960 Revere sucks, man. 0.94

05:50:40.240 They got the worst beach ever. 1.00

05:50:41.980 Custody made it that much more shocking.

05:50:44.140 Cell phone video from a Revere strip mall shows the take... 1.00

05:50:48.960 Oh, shit. 0.99

05:50:50.800 ...down of former Stoughton detective... 1.00

05:50:52.540 Let me see here if I can get this bigger.

05:50:55.600 Cell phone video from a Revere strip mall shows the take...

05:50:59.280 Yeah, it looks like they got him down on the floor here.

05:51:03.480 ...down of former Stoughton detective Matthew Farwell after his indictment in the murder of

05:51:08.680 a pregnant woman more than three years ago.

05:51:11.280 People came in the floor and...

05:51:12.860 Oh, Lee.

05:51:14.480 ...that, um...

05:51:17.320 The FBI was out front arresting someone, so I went outside and you've seen a bunch of

05:51:22.820 cops running around.

05:51:24.840 Chris, who doesn't want to use his last name, was working at the Northgate Shopping Center

05:51:29.180 when the FBI swarmed the property and arrested the former police officer who was wearing a

05:51:34.760 t-shirt and jeans and behind the wheel of a gravel hauler.

05:51:38.320 I don't have any respect for someone that would do that, especially to a child.

05:51:42.380 He and others who watched the scene unfold say they are blown away by the accusations that

05:51:47.440 Farwell groomed Sandra Birchmore when she was a teen and sexually abused her before staging 1.00

05:51:53.180 her suicide in 2021.

05:51:55.580 It's a cry of shame that we have these cops doing this stuff behind closed doors. 1.00

05:52:03.080 I think he's a clown. 0.98

05:52:04.420 He should never have been doing what he was doing. 0.98

05:52:06.780 Later in the day, others who learned of the arrest and called themselves supporters of

05:52:12.840 justice showed up at the Moakley Federal Courthouse in Boston to...

05:52:16.340 I've been to that courthouse many times.

05:52:18.420 ...see it firsthand.

05:52:19.740 It just breaks my heart.

05:52:21.360 Because she would have been...

05:52:21.940 It's a very nice courthouse.

05:52:22.860 They have like...

05:52:23.220 They're right on the water.

05:52:24.660 Her and her baby would have been fine.

05:52:26.720 They would have been absolutely fine.

05:52:28.520 That's crazy, bro.

05:52:30.840 So he ran that case, I guess.

05:52:32.900 All right, let's get back to where we were with Turtle Guy.

05:52:35.600 ...search was not discovered until...

05:52:36.980 We just went down a little rabbit hole there, but we're back, Chad.

05:52:39.040 We're back.

05:52:40.520 ...april of 2023 when Reed's forensic expert Richard Green found it.

05:52:44.480 This is what ultimately caught my attention and led to widespread publicity that the case

05:52:48.440 wasn't getting before.

05:52:49.460 Like many, I assume the DA's office was run by ethical people who wouldn't knowingly prosecute

05:52:54.140 an innocent woman, especially when there was evidence that someone inside the house was 1.00

05:52:57.660 responsible for John's murder.

05:52:59.180 But I underestimated just how corrupt they were and just how determined they were to

05:53:03.100 get Karen Reed. 1.00

05:53:03.920 Two days after my first article reached millions of people and outrage was spreading over the

05:53:07.800 case, the DA's office announced they weren't dropping the charges and would be disputing

05:53:11.420 the 227 Google search, which they claimed never happened.

05:53:14.260 But how could they know this on April 20th, 2023 if they hadn't hired their own expert yet?

05:53:18.520 Any comment on that?

05:53:19.580 Why you Googled that 227?

05:53:21.340 Any comment, Mr. McCabe?

05:53:22.560 Any comment?

05:53:25.140 How can you show your face in court?

05:53:26.600 I'm doing bad.

05:53:27.180 That's hilarious that he'd be harassing them like this, but this is what got him in trouble

05:53:29.840 though.

05:53:30.240 ...harassed?

05:53:31.560 Aren't you ashamed?

05:53:33.260 What are you hiding?

05:53:34.060 What did you do?

05:53:34.820 What?

05:53:35.140 Why did you delete all those phone calls, Ms. McCabe?

05:53:37.800 Why did you delete all those phone calls?

05:53:40.100 Why did you delete your Google search?

05:53:41.600 The Google search was not discovered until April of 2023 when Reed's forensic expert Richard

05:53:46.400 Green found it.

05:53:47.340 This is what ultimately caught my attention and led to widespread publicity that the case wasn't

05:53:51.740 getting before.

05:53:52.300 Like many, I assumed the DA's office was run by ethical people who wouldn't knowingly prosecute

05:53:56.940 an innocent woman, especially when there was evidence that someone inside the house was 1.00

05:54:00.480 responsible for John's murder.

05:54:02.000 But I underestimated just how corrupt they were and just how determined they were to get

05:54:06.080 Karen Reed.

05:54:06.720 Two days after my first article reached millions of people and outrage was spreading over the

05:54:10.600 case, the DA's office announced they weren't dropping the charges and would be disputing

05:54:14.240 the 227 Google search, which they claimed never happened.

05:54:17.060 But how could they know this on April 20th, 2023 if they hadn't hired their own expert yet?

05:54:20.840 Over the next six months, they went searching for experts who would tell them what they wanted

05:54:24.880 to hear.

05:54:25.280 Jennifer McCabe might not have Googled Hoss Long to Dying Cold at 2.27 AM.

05:54:29.600 Two months later, they found Jessica Hyde, whose report left open the possibility that the search

05:54:34.000 may have happened at 2.27.

05:54:36.140 Unsatisfied, they somehow came across a former Calgary, Alberta police officer named Ian Whiffen,

05:54:40.920 who worked for Cellbrite and was promoting his new app called ArtX.

05:54:44.540 Whiffen greenlights updates to Cellbrite software and was able to make sure that the 227 Google search

05:54:49.660 did not come up on the updated version.

05:54:51.480 He spent much of his testimony promoting his own app, which Cellbrite did not endorse.

05:54:55.500 Somehow, the Commonwealth knew on April 20th that seven months later, they would have an

05:54:59.060 expert from Canada who would reach this conclusion.

05:55:01.820 Karen Reed was furious with her boyfriend for ignoring her calls and texts and leaving 0.98

05:55:05.160 her alone to watch John's niece.

05:55:06.420 She fell asleep sometime around 1.30 and woke up at 4.30.

05:55:09.120 This time, her emotions changed from angry to worried.

05:55:11.960 John would never not come home to his niece and nephew, and he would never ignore that many

05:55:15.680 phone calls from Reed.

05:55:16.480 He was drunk.

05:55:17.020 The weather conditions were dangerous, and she began to become extremely worried that

05:55:20.480 something horrible happened.

05:55:21.720 She woke up John's niece and used her phone to call Jennifer McCabe at 4.53 a.m., who was

05:55:25.820 awake and had never gone to sleep all night for some reason.

05:55:28.540 By that point, John's body hadn't been on the lawn for very long, if it was even there

05:55:32.280 at all.

05:55:32.760 Jen needed to delay Karen from going to 34 Fairview Road. 1.00

05:55:35.780 She told Karen that John never came inside that house, but volunteered to go out looking

05:55:39.960 for him with Karen.

05:55:41.200 She invited Karen to come to her house, and Karen is seen backing into John's Chevy Traverse

05:55:45.080 in the driveway as she went out looking for him at 5.07 a.m., cracking her rear taillight

05:55:50.080 in the process.

05:55:51.040 Karen went towards the waterfall bar first, then drove back towards Jen McCabe's house.

05:55:54.820 Her car is seen a mile and a half from McCabe's house at 5.18 a.m., but since she didn't

05:55:58.860 know Canton very well and had no idea how to get to McCabe's house, she pulled over in

05:56:02.640 the Canton Cemetery, and her phone records show that she...

05:56:05.080 All right, chat.

05:56:07.380 So, I'm doing some maintenance right now.

05:56:09.340 My guy Andy is here.

05:56:10.160 If the stream turns off, I'll be back.

05:56:14.460 Okay?

05:56:15.520 We're going to just hit one of the circuit breakers here.

05:56:17.760 It shouldn't affect this room, but if it does, you guys know what's going on.

05:56:24.340 So, I guess, Andy, the moment of truth, go ahead, try it.

05:56:30.120 All right, we're still live.

05:56:31.320 Sweet.

05:56:32.160 And also, I need you to type in your address for the computer.

05:56:36.900 For which computer?

05:56:37.800 Where Bills is?

05:56:42.100 Yeah.

05:56:42.940 All right.

05:56:43.840 You need the password for it?

05:56:45.500 Right now?

05:56:46.700 Yeah.

05:56:48.280 All right.

05:56:49.460 She called her parents.

05:56:50.380 All right, we're still live, chat.

05:56:51.180 We're still fine.

05:56:51.840 Give me one sec.

05:56:58.000 Parents and Googled McCabe's address.

05:57:00.140 She ended up getting there at 5.35 and picked up Jen, who convinced her to go back to One 0.72

05:57:04.780 Meadows Ave to search the house for John as if he would jump out of the closet and yell,

05:57:08.420 peekaboo.

05:57:08.920 This was all part of Jen's plan to delay Karen from returning to 34 Fairview Road. 0.99

05:57:13.760 Jen and Karen were met at John's house by his friend, Carrie Roberts.

05:57:16.680 And after searching the house without taking their shoes off, something the Commonwealth would 0.96

05:57:20.060 later claim was evidence that she murdered John. 0.99

05:57:22.180 The three of them jumped into Carrie's car and headed towards Fairview Road.

05:57:25.280 When they arrived there, Karen immediately saw John's body on the lawn, where she had

05:57:28.820 been idling her car, waiting for him to call her back and say everything was okay inside.

05:57:32.780 She jumped out of the car, rushed over to John, who was lying with a cell phone underneath

05:57:36.220 his body, and began to perform CPR.

05:57:38.620 Meanwhile, Jennifer McCabe called 911 and told them,

05:57:40.940 So this is Jennifer McCabe.

05:57:48.560 She says she's at 30...

05:57:49.720 Guys, did I miss something good?

05:57:51.780 Chad, did I miss something good?

05:57:53.100 ...4 Fairview Road.

05:57:54.380 And by the way, on the official police report, it actually says 32 Fairview Road.

05:57:59.240 She says 34 Fairview Road at least three times in this tape, and they still put 32 Fairview

05:58:04.180 Road.

05:58:04.520 They also don't put Brian Albert Sr.'s name on it.

05:58:06.380 They just put B. Albert.

05:58:07.260 He's the only one not listed out.

05:58:08.780 But listen to what she says there.

05:58:10.020 There's a man passed out in the snow.

05:58:12.080 Now, keep in mind, who is man?

05:58:14.120 No.

05:58:14.720 She knows who this man is, because Karen Reed has gotten out of the car already and said,

05:58:18.780 There's John.

05:58:19.660 And they're literally looking for John, and they get out of the car when they see him.

05:58:25.040 So she knows who it is.

05:58:26.420 She said there's a man passed out in the snow.

05:58:28.860 Now, keep in mind, this is a quote-unquote man who she was just with six hours prior.

05:58:35.200 She was just with them six hours prior.

05:58:36.880 At the very least, according to her own story, they were together at the Waterfall Bar.

05:58:41.500 And she invited him back to that house.

05:58:50.700 She says, Carrie, Carrie, seven times.

05:58:53.420 And I think she says, Jen, Jen, Jen here.

05:58:55.100 I know I'm on the phone with the Android.

05:59:00.000 I know, I know, I know.

05:59:01.600 I know that sound.

05:59:03.160 I know that.

05:59:04.360 Hey, Mark, read this and do the salute on CC.

05:59:07.880 I think you're trying to get me banned.

05:59:09.660 Listen to the fear in her voice.

05:59:11.000 When Karen jumped out of the car, she was calling O'Keefe and left her phone in Carrie's car. 0.99

05:59:14.860 A four-minute voicemail was left on O'Keefe's machine that picked up McCabe's 911 call,

05:59:18.840 which was immediately followed by McCabe whispering what sounded like,

05:59:22.160 no one's coming out to help.

05:59:26.600 Jennifer McCabe phone records show that she called her sister, Nicole Albert,

05:59:30.320 inside the house at 6.07 and 6.08 and spoke to her for durations of 7 and 9 seconds.

05:59:34.620 Not enough time to have a conversation, but enough time to say,

05:59:37.460 stay inside.

05:59:38.320 No one's coming out to help.

05:59:39.220 The first call happened at the exact time that you can hear Jennifer whispering,

05:59:46.600 no one's coming out to help.

05:59:47.760 Nicole Albert was awake and Jen McCabe was telling her to stay inside the house. 0.88

05:59:51.860 For some reason, Jennifer McCabe deleted those two answered phone calls to her sister.

05:59:55.580 But she and Nicole claimed that the two answer phone calls were never answered

05:59:58.780 and that she never deleted them, even though Jen's phone records show that she did.

06:00:02.440 Disputing forensic data is a common theme with the McAlberts and the Commonwealth.

06:00:05.820 Officer Seraf was the first cop who arrived on the scene.

06:00:08.700 His report says nothing about a car accident or Karen Reed uttering incriminating statements.

06:00:13.140 Yet at the grand jury, several months later, his story evolved and he claimed that Reed said,

06:00:17.000 this is all my fault.

06:00:18.040 Although the Canton police were the first to respond to the scene,

06:00:20.380 they were ultimately conflicted off of the case because O'Keefe's body was discovered on Brian Albert's front lawn

06:00:25.180 and Brian Albert's brother, Kevin, is a detective in the Canton Police Department.

06:00:28.600 Kevin Albert is drinking buddies with Proctor,

06:00:30.300 who was later reprimanded when text messages revealed that the two of them had done some day drinking

06:00:34.960 while investing a cold case on Cape Cod and Kevin Albert woke up hungover

06:00:38.580 and realized that he left his gun and badge in Proctor's work vehicle.

06:00:41.940 Oops.

06:00:42.500 Oh, wow.

06:00:44.920 Ah, man.

06:00:46.000 Paramedics arrived shortly after Officer Seraf, which included a woman named Katie McLaughlin,

06:00:51.020 a close personal friend of Caitlin Albert.

06:00:52.940 They graduated high school together, did cross country, and are photographed together

06:00:56.660 in countless social situations up until a few months before O'Keefe's death,

06:01:00.520 including trips to the beach, hot tubs, and a baby shower.

06:01:03.380 Despite this, both she and Caitlin lied at the trial

06:01:06.200 and said that they were just acquaintances who went to high school together.

06:01:09.200 McLaughlin was one of nearly a dozen paramedics.

06:01:11.280 Remember, that's the firefighter chat, this girl.

06:01:13.820 She's the firefighter that heard her say,

06:01:16.480 um, did I hit him or I hit him?

06:01:18.000 And she responded to the scene.

06:01:19.720 Yet she was the only one police spoke with prior to Reed's arrest.

06:01:22.620 On January 30th, Kevin Albert told Proctor that he wanted Proctor to interview McLaughlin

06:01:26.620 and offered up Canton Police Department headquarters to do so,

06:01:29.040 despite the fact that CPD was supposed to be conflicted off the case

06:01:32.280 specifically because of Kevin Albert.

06:01:34.880 McLaughlin told Proctor that she heard Reed say,

06:01:36.900 I hit him, I hit him, I hit him, I hit him.

06:01:38.520 While Reed was standing next to Jennifer McKeith, 0.72

06:01:40.700 Officer Seraf, and McLaughlin.

06:01:42.100 While Keefe was being, was already in the ambulance.

06:01:44.140 That, that was her story.

06:01:45.040 There's just a couple problems with that though.

06:01:46.360 Officer Seraf, four other cops, and five other first responders testified

06:01:49.480 that Karen Reed never said, I hit him.

06:01:51.580 And police desk cam footage shows that when these four were standing together,

06:01:54.580 John wasn't in the ambulance yet.

06:01:56.620 Karen was arrested two days after McLaughlin told Proctor she said,

06:02:00.040 I hit him.

06:02:00.560 And according to firefighters Anthony Flamatti and Timothy Nuttall,

06:02:03.480 they talked about her case every day at the firehouse.

06:02:05.620 Yet no other firefighters besides McLaughlin were ever questioned by Proctor until February 8th.

06:02:10.680 By that time, the I hit him lie was all over the news and was the talk of the firehouse.

06:02:14.920 And thus, Nuttall and Flamatti both told Proctor that she said it.

06:02:17.900 However, on cross-examination, it was revealed that neither of them was anywhere near Karen

06:02:22.140 when McLaughlin claims that Karen edited those words.

06:02:24.520 Despite the fact there was a hysterical woman screaming on their front lawn, 1.00

06:02:27.780 bright flashing fire and police lights illuminating the area,

06:02:31.120 and an aggressive German shepherd that barked a lot and easily spooked inside the house.

06:02:35.280 And phone data showing Nicole Albert spoke to Jennifer McCabe at 6.07,

06:02:39.120 Brian and Nicole Albert claimed that they slept through the whole thing.

06:02:42.740 Brian Albert, a trained first responder, did not come out of the house

06:02:45.520 while a fellow Boston police officer was lying dead on his front lawn.

06:02:48.340 The bedroom window was the closest to where O'Keefe's body was found,

06:02:51.240 and they testified that Chloe was in the room with them.

06:02:53.780 But Chloe, Brian, and Nicole did not wake up.

06:02:55.740 However, their neighbors in what Matt McCabe would later call the Asian house

06:02:58.980 did wake up and take these pictures, showing how impossible it would be to sleep through it.

06:03:03.200 Karen police sergeants Sean Good and Michael Lank and Lieutenant Paul Gallagher

06:03:07.100 arrived after Seraph, all of whom spent their entire lives in Canton.

06:03:10.740 Good graduated and was friends with Courtney Proctor and Julie Albert's sister, Jillian Daniels.

06:03:14.440 Lank was good friends with Chris Albert since high school,

06:03:16.740 and 20 years prior, he was involved in a drunken bar fight

06:03:19.180 in which he came to the rescue of Chris and assaulted and arrested two brothers

06:03:22.100 who Chris had started trouble with.

06:03:23.600 None of these three cops had any sort of curiosity or suspicion

06:03:32.700 about how a dead cop ended up on Brian Albert's front lawn.

06:03:35.560 John didn't seem dressed for the weather and was missing a shoe.

06:03:37.880 If you or I invited a cop to our house,

06:03:39.880 and he ended up being found dead on our lawn with only one shoe on,

06:03:43.220 the cops are definitely going to ask to search the house and get a warrant if you said no.

06:03:46.960 But this was Brian Albert's house, a well-respected veteran police officer.

06:03:50.980 As Proctor's text messages would later show, they weren't going to hassle him.

06:03:54.460 And they claimed there was no probable cause to search the house,

06:03:56.980 despite the fact that none of them applied for a warrant,

06:03:59.320 so a judge could determine that for them.

06:04:01.060 For all they knew, John had been killed by someone who also killed the people inside the house.

06:04:05.100 Yet they allowed Jennifer McCabe to go into the house by herself at 6.34 a.m. 0.84

06:04:09.140 where she claimed she woke up asleep in Brian and Nicole.

06:04:12.020 Jennifer McCabe was the quarterback of the entire cover-up. 0.97

06:04:14.360 She didn't cause John's injuries,

06:04:16.040 but she was essential for making sure that those who did were never held responsible.

06:04:20.020 Jen made sure to speak with every police officer that she could

06:04:23.080 in order to push the narrative that Karen was responsible for John's being on the lawn. 1.00

06:04:27.340 Dashcam footage shows Jen turning her back as John's body was being wheeled into the ambulance.

06:04:32.420 She was too busy talking to Officer Serrat and laying the groundwork for framing Karen Reed. 0.67

06:04:36.780 Jen's phone records show that she was talking to Carrie Roberts all day on January 29th,

06:04:40.620 making sure that Carrie, a potential loose end, believed that Karen had killed John.

06:04:44.340 She spoke to John's mother and made her feel the same way.

06:04:47.040 She hid the fact that her cell phone data shows that on January 30th,

06:04:50.100 she went to Sergeant Lank's house for an hour.

06:04:51.960 She never disclosed this, but when confronted with the information at trial,

06:04:55.280 she said that she had just gone there to talk to Lank's wife.

06:04:57.660 Jen continued to show up for Karen Reed's hearings wearing a Justice for JJ button. 1.00

06:05:02.260 How can you wear those buttons when you covered up his murder?

06:05:04.640 And comforted the grieving family in court. 0.99

06:05:07.220 What a psychopath.

06:05:08.980 Soon after that, the sun came out and Lieutenant Gallagher began to search the grassy area 0.93

06:05:12.860 where O'Keefe's body was found.

06:05:14.500 There was less than three inches of snow on the ground at that time,

06:05:17.280 so he used a leaf blower to clear off the light dusting and search for clues.

06:05:20.780 He found transparent pieces of what appeared to be cocktail glass.

06:05:23.780 But what he didn't find was 47 pieces of bright red taillights,

06:05:27.360 some as big as a dinner plate,

06:05:28.800 that Michael Proctor and the state police would find over the course of the next three weeks.

06:05:32.300 The search was conducted on video, too.

06:05:34.160 Do you see any red taillight here?

06:05:36.380 Transparent cocktail glass is much harder to see than bright red taillight on bright white snow.

06:05:40.980 This cannot be emphasized enough.

06:05:42.600 There was no taillight anywhere near John's body at 7 a.m.,

06:05:46.500 nor was there a missing shoe.

06:05:47.940 Around this time, Karen Reed made statements that she was suicidal 0.85

06:05:50.980 and she was sectioned for the next four to five hours.

06:05:53.240 During this time, the McAlberts were allowed to talk together away from police

06:05:56.540 and get their story straight.

06:05:57.720 At 9 a.m., McCabe called Lenk on his cell phone to tell him that she suddenly remembered Karen saying,

06:06:03.900 could I have hit him?

06:06:04.640 Her story later evolved at trial to, did I hit him?

06:06:07.620 But she accused Lenk of misquoting her in the original report.

06:06:10.640 Police knew that protecting the crime scene was essential,

06:06:12.940 especially since it was snowing and evidence could easily get buried.

06:06:15.820 But the Cannon police just left the crime scene completely abandoned the entire day.

06:06:19.000 No crime scene tape put up, no cops to watch over the area and make sure the scene was in tamper with.

06:06:23.440 The crime scene was completely open.

06:06:25.520 Yes.

06:06:25.740 Unsecured.

06:06:27.880 Yes.

06:06:28.480 And Brian Albert didn't offer his house up as a command center for officers to come out of the cold.

06:06:32.900 Blood droplets found at the scene were put in red Solo cups.

06:06:35.240 Just any Solo cups or the Solo cups that you took back to the station from 34th Avenue?

06:06:41.000 Were acquired from the deputy police chief, Tom Keller, who lived across the street.

06:06:44.560 It looks like an evidence bag.

06:06:45.880 It just doesn't say can't police on it.

06:06:47.660 Police chief, Tom Keller, who lived across the street.

06:06:49.720 It looks like an evidence.

06:06:50.660 What's going on?

06:06:51.000 Were acquired from the deputy police chief, Tom Keller.

06:06:53.740 What did they have an FBI badge behind them though?

06:06:59.820 Who lived across the street.

06:07:00.900 It looks like an evidence bag.

06:07:02.220 It just doesn't say can't police on it.

06:07:03.960 It says stop and shop.

06:07:04.800 But it does look like an evidence bag.

06:07:06.420 It's the same thing.

06:07:07.140 It should be noted that Keller had a ring camera pointed directly at the area where Commonwealth alleges that John was hit by a car.

06:07:14.360 Michael Proctor never even asked to look at the ring camera footage.

06:07:17.520 Because again, this is astounding.

06:07:20.140 Look how close that is.

06:07:21.560 It's right there.

06:07:23.040 I can even put my camera up there.

06:07:25.080 Yeah.

06:07:25.520 Like that's, that's the view it would have gotten.

06:07:29.680 Meanwhile, Proctor and his partner, Yuri Buchanek, didn't even go to 34 Fearview Road that day to investigate the scene.

06:07:35.620 At 1130, they decided it was finally time to interview some witnesses.

06:07:38.740 But instead of separating them and recording their interviews at a police station, which is what detectives always do, they decided to interview just four witnesses.

06:07:46.680 Jennifer McCabe, Matt McCabe, Nicole Albert, and Brian Albert at the McCabe's house.

06:07:50.560 After being together all morning and getting their story straight, the four of them drove across town in the middle of a blizzard where they were interviewed by Proctor and Buchanek.

06:07:58.040 At no point was anyone in the house treated as a potential suspect who had to be ruled out.

06:08:01.980 Their story was a simple one and was blindly taken as gospel by police.

06:08:05.380 John O'Keefe never came in the house, but this story strained credulity because there's no possible way that none of them would hear or see a three-ton vehicle striking a man and that none of them would see his body laying on the lawn when they left.

06:08:17.800 The four McCalverts all told the same story.

06:08:19.940 They went out to the bar.

06:08:20.940 Things seemed fine.

06:08:21.980 Karen and John pulled up outside.

06:08:23.460 He never came in.

06:08:24.400 She left.

06:08:24.960 And in the morning when Jen and Karen went out looking for him, Karen had a cracked taillight and said, could I have hit him upon finding his body?

06:08:31.200 That was it.

06:08:31.660 That was all Michael Proctor needed to hear to determine that Karen Reed was the killer.

06:08:36.080 He didn't speak to anyone else, but he'd made up his mind by 12.30 p.m.

06:08:40.140 By that time, no taillight pieces had been found.

06:08:42.740 No one saw a body on the lawn.

06:08:44.220 No surveillance video was pulled.

06:08:45.920 And none of the first responders were interviewed.

06:08:47.880 Nonetheless, Proctor and Buchanek had determined that Karen Reed was guilty.

06:08:51.320 So they got in their car and drove to her parents' house in Dighton to seize her phone and car, which he knew was the murder weapon, based solely on what Jennifer McCabe had told him that Karen Reed had said.

06:09:00.600 A cover-up is easier to cover up when you involve less people.

06:09:03.780 It's not what the police did do during the investigation they made that made it a cover-up.

06:09:08.500 It's what they intentionally didn't do.

06:09:10.460 Proctor didn't interview Julie Nagel, Caitlin Albert, her boyfriend Tristan Morris, Brian Albert Jr., or any of the people who were admittedly at the house that night.

06:09:17.400 Sarah Levinson was in the house that night, and her name was kept hidden from the defense for almost a year.

06:09:25.860 Julie Nagel wasn't interviewed until nine months after Rokie's death, and only after the defense filed a motion in which they pointed out how impossible it would be for no one to have seen a body on the lawn.

06:09:35.940 Conveniently, for the first time at her interview, Julie Nagel told Proctor that she saw a dark, shadowy figure on the front lawn.

06:09:42.120 She didn't say it was a body because she would have had to call police if she did.

06:09:45.940 But calling it a dark, shadowy figure was her way of suggesting that something might have been there without implicating herself.

06:09:52.120 Conveniently, at trial, Julie Nagel's story also evolved, this time claiming that the dark, shadowy figure was actually a five to six foot black blob.

06:10:00.360 She testified that she realized the next day that the black blob was John O'Keefe, but didn't come forward to speak with police about it.

06:10:06.900 Then there's Colin Albert.

06:10:08.080 Despite admittedly being at Brian Albert's house that night, Colin wasn't interviewed by police until 18 months after John's death, and only in regards to him being a victim of alleged witness intimidation.

06:10:19.440 Conveniently, on the day Karen Reed was arrested, Colin's mother, Julie Albert, sent Proctor's sister Courtney a text message offering a thank you gift to Proctor for not interviewing Colin.

06:10:29.480 Instead of telling her that this was unethical, Proctor told her to give the gift to his wife Elizabeth instead.

06:10:36.260 Colin Albert never had to hand over his phone or answer any questions from police.

06:10:40.040 His existence at the house was hidden, despite the fact that Steve Scanlon somehow knew he was there that night.

06:10:45.380 Colin claimed that he was home in bed by 1230, but yet at 1233, minutes after Reed left 34 Fairview, and John O'Keefe's phone moved for the last time, Colin called a friend named Erin Beattie.

06:10:56.460 She didn't answer, as kids at that age almost never call each other, and when she contacted him the next day, he goes, never mind.

06:11:03.960 For telling people this story, Erin Beattie and her father Tom Beattie were harassed and ostracized by adults in the Canton community. 0.99

06:11:10.780 Jennifer McCabe and her friend Jill Thomas reportedly told 17-year-old Erin Beattie to, quote, put a dick in your mouth instead of talking so much. 0.97

06:11:19.300 Chris Albert confronted Tom Beattie and tried to get him to say that Colin never called Erin that night. 0.99

06:11:24.400 They were going out of their way to pressure the Beattie family to lie and cover for Colin.

06:11:28.600 Since Colin didn't speak with police and his parents did the speaking for him, an alibi for Colin was finally presented at trial, claiming that he was picked up by Jennifer McCabe's daughter, Allie, at 1210.

06:11:38.220 As evidence, the Commonwealth submitted an unverified screenshot of a text message with the name Colin at the top.

06:11:43.480 No celebrate report, just a screenshot that Chris Albert gave prosecutor Adam Lally.

06:11:47.620 At 1210, Allie tells what she claims is Colin, I'm here, but it doesn't say where here is.

06:11:53.220 For all we know, she could have been picking up Colin to drive him to 34 Fairview, which would make sense because the party wasn't really starting until everyone else got back from the bar.

06:12:01.600 Allie testified that she was driving people around all night and that Colin Albert was her last pickup at 1210.

06:12:07.080 She said she was home in bed.

06:12:08.700 Someone put, Myron, you still streaming?

06:12:10.120 You're damn right I'm still streaming, bro.

06:12:12.140 We're still cooking over here, baby. 0.72

06:12:13.560 There was no brakes on this train.

06:12:43.560 90 minutes later in order to get him back home as soon as his fun uncle and his friends showed up to party.

06:12:49.400 Right.

06:12:49.660 Meanwhile, Chris Albert initially testified that he left the waterfall bar and was home at between 1205 and 1210.

06:12:55.320 He said that Colin got home 15 to 20 minutes later and came upstairs to say goodnight to his parents.

06:13:00.540 There was a problem with that story, though.

06:13:02.060 Chris is seen on surveillance video at the waterfall bar at 1213 and it would take him at least seven to eight minutes for him to walk home from there.

06:13:09.040 By his own admittance, his son Colin got home much closer to 1245, which, meanwhile, Chris Albert initially testified that he left the waterfall bar and was home at between 1205 and 1210.

06:13:19.060 He said that Colin got home 15 to 20 minutes later and came upstairs to say goodnight to his parents.

06:13:24.340 There was a problem with that story, though.

06:13:25.820 Chris is seen on surveillance video at the waterfall bar at 1213 and it would take him at least seven to eight minutes for him to walk home from there.

06:13:32.800 By his own admittance, his son Colin got home much closer to 1245, which would mean that he was still at Brian Albert's house when John O'Keefe arrived.

06:13:40.300 This is why the defense is so suspicious of Colin Albert.

06:13:43.360 The McAlberts in the Commonwealth are insistent that Colin wasn't there when John O'Keefe was allegedly killed.

06:13:48.080 But why would it matter if he was inside and John O'Keefe was killed outside by Karen Reed?

06:13:52.500 Why did he call Aaron Beatty, a girl he wasn't dating, out of the blue at 1233?

06:13:57.100 Why did his family try to silence the Beatys? 0.72

06:13:59.280 Why did his mother offer Proctor a thank you gift?

06:14:01.580 And why were his knuckles so cut up in a picture a few weeks later?

06:14:05.120 Colin had an explanation for that, too, which illustrated just how easily he could lie with a straight face.

06:14:09.880 And I was walking up the driveway and I slipped down the driveway and I tried to catch myself, but I had something in my left hand.

06:14:16.060 So I tried to brace myself with my right hand and I ended up sliding a little bit down the driveway.

06:14:21.340 Obviously, that was a lie, which begs the question, if he didn't do anything wrong, why did he have to lie?

06:14:27.160 Colin also testified he'd never been in a fight before.

06:14:29.420 Shortly after that, the internet found three videos of him fighting, proving that he lied about that, too.

06:14:34.180 Why lie if you have nothing to hide? 1.00

06:14:36.420 You're a bitch, bro. 1.00

06:14:38.480 Fuck you. 1.00

06:14:39.180 Yeah, fuck you, you pussy. 1.00

06:14:40.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

06:14:45.260 Clean cold, boy.

06:14:46.320 You be knocked out.

06:14:47.200 KO.

06:14:47.800 Bang, bang. 0.99

06:14:48.280 These are questions an investigator looking for the truth could have grilled him on.

06:14:52.500 Colin was a hothead and previously had issues with O'Keefe.

06:14:55.280 When the lead investigator is Michael Proctor, whose mother describes Colin's family as a second family, you don't have to worry about being questioned by police.

06:15:02.120 But perhaps the most obvious witness that...

06:15:03.900 That's crazy that the state police took this case and this guy took this case knowing that he was going...

06:15:08.660 I would have...

06:15:09.440 He should have accused himself as the lead investigator.

06:15:12.420 Like, if I was, like, friends with people like that and they were being investigated, I would literally hand the case over.

06:15:17.280 I'd be like, look, I can't do this.

06:15:18.460 I know these people.

06:15:20.240 And I hand it off to somebody else.

06:15:21.660 That's crazy that he actually still took the case.

06:15:23.540 Retarded. 0.99

06:15:24.480 Proctor went out of his way not to speak to was Brian Lucky Loughran.

06:15:28.880 Proctor interviewed DPW director Michael Trotta and claimed that Trotta told him that the Kinn DPW does not plow Fairview Road.

06:15:36.400 This was an outright lie.

06:15:37.700 I tracked down Mr. Trotta and asked him myself.

06:15:40.340 For any reason that Lucky Loughran, Brian Loughran, would have been plowing that road at 2.30 in the morning?

06:15:45.420 We generally have two people on every route, so it's usually a town plow with a contract plow.

06:15:53.640 After that, I trucked down Lucky, who was happy to tell me what he witnessed that morning.

06:15:57.940 Lucky said that he did first plow Brian Albert's house at 2.30 and didn't see a body on the lawn.

06:16:03.180 When I asked him if he would have seen a body if a body was there, he was insistent that he would because bright lights and constantly looking on the yards and scanning sidewalks in case animals ran into the road.

06:16:13.160 Lucky told me that when he tried to do another plow at Fairview Road an hour later, he couldn't because there was a Ford Edge parked in the exact spot where John O'Keefe's body would be discovered three hours later.

06:16:22.380 At least three members of the Albert family, Kevin, Brian, and Colin, owned a Ford Edge at the time.

06:16:27.040 If there was nobody on the lawn at 2.30, which Lucky Loughran and seven of the witnesses said there was not, then Karen Reed couldn't have struck him at 12.30.

06:16:34.980 Then a Ford Edge appeared.

06:16:36.380 Then there was a body.

06:16:37.640 You do the math.

06:16:38.360 The fact that the state police didn't put out an all-points bulletin looking for that Ford Edge is all the evidence you need to know that this was a cover-up.

06:16:45.960 Remember, this cover-up wasn't so much what the cops did to cover it up.

06:16:49.460 It was what they chose not to do.

06:16:51.220 Choosing not to interview Lucky Loughran was deliberate.

06:16:55.500 Punisher, what's your opinion on Shimmer University that Kai Sinatra is doing?

06:16:58.420 I mean, they're, you know, I mean, it's unique, definitely unique.

06:17:06.300 Give them credit for that, you know, it's a new idea.

06:17:10.340 So, you know, yeah, unique idea.

06:17:16.800 They knew that if they spoke to him, he was going to say there wasn't a body.

06:17:19.740 Don't really have anything to say to hate.

06:17:21.060 Not really my type of content that I would watch, but I think it's unique in there pushing the boundaries with streaming and entertainment.

06:17:32.860 Not necessarily my cup of tea.

06:17:34.220 You guys know I like to be a bit more intellectual with my content with, you know, political stuff and true crime and analyzing more complex scenarios.

06:17:43.000 But, you know, you got to understand that the youth, that's what they're looking for.

06:17:45.980 You know, that fan base, that's what they're typically looking for.

06:17:51.060 ...body on the front lawn.

06:17:52.580 And logically, they'd have to pursue whoever was driving to Ford Edge since they were allegedly right next to a dead cop on the lawn.

06:17:58.980 Michael Proctor didn't want to pursue any leads that didn't point to Karen Reed.

06:18:03.140 The state police finally decided to interview Lucky Loughran 18 months after the death of John O'Keefe and two days after I published this bombshell interview with him.

06:18:12.080 But Proctor and Buchanan weren't trying to learn more about the Ford Edge.

06:18:15.660 They were trying to discredit his testimony and get him to say that I illegally wiretapped Lucky.

06:18:22.780 At trial, Brian Tully testified that he didn't investigate the Ford Edge because Loughran couldn't possibly be sure it was a Ford Edge.

06:18:29.220 But it had four wheels and an engine and whoever was driving it was supposedly parked next to a dead body that police think was run over by a car.

06:18:37.500 So wouldn't you want to find out who that person was and speak with them?

06:18:41.420 Nah.

06:18:42.040 Better just pin it on Karen Reed. 1.00

06:18:43.440 Rather than question any of these witnesses, Proctor and Buchanan drove to Dighton to seize Karen Reed's car which they hadn't seen yet because they were certain that it was a murder weapon.

06:18:51.220 No taillight had been discovered at the scene yet.

06:18:53.340 At 2.30, they called and asked Dighton police for a tow.

06:18:56.040 When they arrived an hour or so later, they didn't take a picture of Karen Reed's car to show the condition of the taillight Ford had been towed.

06:19:01.660 According to Michael Proctor's report, and as with all the witnesses, they didn't record any of their interviews with Karen.

06:19:06.560 Reed's car was towed at 5.30 p.m.

06:19:08.780 This time is critical because the state police began searching the area where John O'Keefe's body was discovered at 5.45 and found four pieces of taillight.

06:19:16.020 If the car was towed at 5.30, then there was no way it could get from Dighton to Canton in a blizzard, normally a 40-minute drive, in time to plant taillight.

06:19:23.060 But as it turned out, Michael Proctor was lying about what time he towed the car.

06:19:26.960 Video surveillance from the Reed's house shows the car being towed at 4.12 and a Dighton police report confirmed this.

06:19:34.020 This meant that Proctor was unaccounted for with Reed's car for 78 minutes and would have more than enough time to get the vehicle to Canton and plant taillight before the state police search at 5.45.

06:19:44.400 Nevertheless, in pretrial hearings, the Commonwealth continued to lie about what time the car was towed.

06:19:49.080 Adam Lally said in court filings that Bill Reed's ring video didn't reset for daylight savings, but the sun set that day at 4.56 and there was still sunlight in the video at 4.12.

06:19:59.140 Eventually, after realizing that they couldn't lie their way out of this one, the Commonwealth called it a scrivener's error, even though the digits 4.1.2 are nowhere near 5.30 on a keyboard.

06:20:10.860 The state police cert team, led by Lieutenant O'Hara, began arriving at 34 Fairview Road at 4.51 to search the area where John's body was discovered.

06:20:19.640 By that point, Proctor's commanding officer, Lieutenant Brian Tully, determined that O'Keefe was hit by a car and told O'Hara that they were looking for pieces of taillight.

06:20:26.860 The scene was unsecured the entire day and more than 18 inches of snow had fallen since the Ken police searched the area and didn't find a single piece of taillight.

06:20:33.520 Internal messages show that the cert team was ready to start digging at 5.30, but that Lieutenant Tully did not give them the green light.

06:20:39.440 Time was of the essence and snow was continuing to fall.

06:20:42.180 What was Tully waiting for?

06:20:43.720 Simple.

06:20:44.140 They needed to wait for Karen Reed's car to arrive in Canton first.

06:20:46.920 They could have brought the vehicle to any state police barracks close to Dighton, including Middleborough or Foxborough.

06:20:51.640 Yet they insisted on bringing the car to the Canton Police Department less than two miles away from Brian Albert's house where Kevin Albert was working.

06:20:57.540 The car is seen on video, which is shown for the first time in Reed's first trial, entering the Canton Police Salliport garage at 5.36 p.m.

06:21:04.540 Proctor could be seen hanging around what appears to be the left rear taillight, which was not broken.

06:21:09.440 In other words, there was no evidence Proctor went anywhere near Reed's broken right rear taillight, except there's just one problem.

06:21:15.140 The video shown in court was intentionally inverted.

06:21:18.020 What appeared to be left was actually right, and Proctor was hanging out there for a while.

06:21:21.780 In the video, the word police appears backwards on another vehicle parked in the garage.

06:21:26.520 So does the number four on one of the garage's overhead doors.

06:21:30.640 Defense attorney Alan Jackson believes it was no accident.

06:21:33.580 The time stamp across the bottom is not inverted, and there appears to be somebody standing near it.

06:21:40.660 Who's the guy in the watch cap, in the winter cap, back there by that right rear taillight the entire time by himself?

06:21:47.240 The Commonwealth was trying to deceive the jury.

06:21:49.700 The cover-up was happening right in front of millions of people.

06:21:52.820 For 20 seconds at 5.37, the video cuts out.

06:21:55.900 And when it begins again, you could see another unknown man, who was not in the video before, leaving the area where Proctor was standing by the right rear taillight.

06:22:03.320 Who was this man?

06:22:04.260 And did he have pieces of taillight with him when he left?

06:22:06.300 Was it Kevin Albert or Brian Higgins' close friend, Chief Ken Berkowitz?

06:22:09.580 The Commonwealth still can't explain who that was.

06:22:12.100 But coincidentally, five minutes later, after that, Lieutenant Tully gave the cert team the go-ahead to begin their search.

06:22:17.620 Lieutenant O'Hara testified that he had no idea who several members of the cert team were, but said that he believed they were Canton police.

06:22:23.220 Minutes after they began searching, someone, they never said who, found a piece of red taillight under 18 inches of snow.

06:22:29.300 This was the exact same area Lieutenant Gallagher searched on video during the daylight with a leaf blower on video and did not find any taillight.

06:22:35.740 Yet the cert team was able to find it under all that snow with minimal effort in the dark, 10 minutes after Reed's car arrived at camp police.

06:22:42.700 Whoever this officer who found the taillight was, was never testified at trial.

06:22:46.960 They also found John's missing size 12 shoe that the camp police completely missed during their search.

06:22:51.520 So either the camp police are blind and incompetent or the taillight in the shoe were planted.

06:22:55.700 Shortly after that, someone on the cert team found three more pieces of taillight.

06:22:59.100 Once again, we don't know who, but Brian Tully had seen enough.

06:23:02.100 And now that he had some physical evidence linking Reed to the crime scene, he shut down the search.

06:23:06.500 O'Hara offered to come back the next day in the daylight to search some more, but Tully told him he was all set.

06:23:11.380 Instead, the state police were instructed to drive by on their way to work to see if any taillight presented itself.

06:23:16.500 And wouldn't you know it, it did.

06:23:18.140 Over the course of the next three weeks, Chief Berkowitz, Sergeant Buchanan, and Proctor found a total of 47 pieces of red taillight.

06:23:24.920 The pieces actually became bigger.

06:23:26.940 Absolutely wild.

06:23:27.780 Real quick, Bobby Trauma, geez, was the last time a guy named Jon Snow got that dirty?

06:23:33.360 It was the Game of Thrones.

06:23:34.340 Okay.

06:23:36.340 Comfort Zone, hey, Brian, read this, do it.

06:23:38.620 No, sorry, I read that one already.

06:23:40.360 Mark, can you explain this?

06:23:41.100 If the 30-year-old and the partner is 16 years old, is it not still considered jail time because the age gap is too wide?

06:23:46.980 Well, if they have the age of consent, then the age gap doesn't matter.

06:23:50.820 It's only when they don't have the age of consent, then you can potentially deal with the Romeo and Juliet laws.

06:23:55.880 But every state is different, Comfort Zone, so don't hold me to that.

06:23:58.900 Every state is completely different.

06:24:00.080 And then there's also still federal law. 0.99

06:24:02.480 JJ goes, brother, I know you're a blue line guy, but you have to admit, yeah, this is shady as fuck. 0.99

06:24:07.360 I believe it. 0.98

06:24:08.200 Karen could walk just on the prosecution's witnesses. 0.98

06:24:10.100 The defense doesn't even need to do anything, in my humble opinion.

06:24:12.720 This time went by, leading to this dinner side.

06:24:15.040 It's very, very shady, bro.

06:24:16.460 This plate discovered by Proctor on February 18th.

06:24:19.280 You got that?

06:24:19.900 Can't police the cert team and everyone who went to the house for three weeks didn't see that piece of taillight.

06:24:25.180 Just a few feet from the curb.

06:24:26.760 Of course, Proctor didn't take any pictures of any of this because documenting isn't really his thing.

06:24:31.860 After all, it's just the murder of a cop.

06:24:33.460 Who cares about completely incorrect police reports?

06:24:35.860 No chain of custody and a complete lack of documentation.

06:24:38.460 You would think after the second or third time the taillight presented itself,

06:24:41.840 that the state police would have preserved the crime scene.

06:24:43.800 But not these Keystone cops.

06:24:45.180 They just kept doing their drive-bys until they could put the entire taillight together like a jigsaw puzzle.

06:24:49.840 Here's the problem, though.

06:24:50.520 Reed's taillight did not look like this when she pulled out of John's driveway at 5.07 seconds after backing into his car.

06:24:56.860 As you can see, the taillight was cracked but not completely broken.

06:24:59.900 Don't take my word for it.

06:25:01.360 Listen to Dighton Police Sergeant Nicholas Barrows who observed the condition of the taillight at the Reed house and made sure to point out,

06:25:07.640 I saw that there was some damage to the right rear taillight.

06:25:10.860 To my best ability and recollection, that taillight was not completely damaged.

06:25:14.620 It was cracked and a piece was missing but not completely damaged.

06:25:17.800 Perhaps the biggest obstacle for the Commonwealth was explained in John O'Keefe's injuries.

06:25:21.100 In the words of John's brother, Paul O'Keefe, John looked like he had gone five rounds with Mike Tyson.

06:25:25.640 People who get backed into cars have bruises and broken bones but not John O'Keefe.

06:25:29.280 Instead, John had two black eyes, a three-inch laceration in the back of the head that looks like he was hit by a blunt object

06:25:42.940 and parallel linear cuts exclusively on his right arm.

06:25:46.680 And did I mention that Brian Albert owned an aggressive German Shepherd named Chloe with a documented history of biting strangers and dogs?

06:25:53.380 They tried to hide this from the court by opposing a defense motion for Canton animal control records

06:25:58.160 and having Brian Albert's attorney, Greg Henning, lie in open court by claiming that Chloe never bit a human being.

06:26:03.940 Animal control records show that Chloe sent at least two people to the ER. 1.00

06:26:07.420 According to Dr. Marie Russell, who has done thousands of autopsies, those are dog bites on John's arm.

06:26:12.600 And guess what? The six-year-old family dog was suddenly rehomed a few months after John's murder.

06:26:17.760 They claim...

06:26:18.660 Yeah, just so many things stacking up, man, that just make it look very bad.

06:26:22.240 For the prosecution.

06:26:24.980 There's no way she gets convicted.

06:26:27.400 There's too much reasonable doubt, bro.

06:26:29.540 There's just too much doubt.

06:26:30.620 And the defense has done a really good job of attacking the witness's credibility, creating the doubt.

06:26:35.740 And even if she did it, she's going to walk, bro.

06:26:38.740 I'll tell you all that right now.

06:26:40.720 We are somewhere in Vermont, but won't say where.

06:26:42.820 Oh, and they sold the house and they ripped up the basement floor, too.

06:26:46.120 But there's nothing suspicious about that.

06:26:48.020 The Commonwealth originally claimed that Karen Reed struck John O'Keefe for doing a three-point turn.

06:26:51.920 And they stuck to this theory for the first 18 months after Reed's arrest.

06:26:55.400 But after a turtle rider pointed out that it would have meant that the wrong TLA was broken, they quickly abandoned that theory.

06:27:05.660 Hold on, wait a second.

06:27:06.660 And they stuck to this theory for the first 18 months after Reed's arrest.

06:27:10.920 But after a turtle rider pointed out that it would have meant that the wrong TLA was broken, they quickly abandoned that theory.

06:27:16.600 Interesting.

06:27:42.220 Interesting.

06:27:42.940 Interesting.

06:27:43.160 Interesting.

06:27:43.240 Interesting.

06:27:43.320 Interesting.

06:27:45.400 so how did john get those cuts on his arm surely the grass didn't do that and if he had gotten

06:27:56.420 run over then his body would be covered in bruises and broken bones the jury that's a good point if

06:28:01.340 he did get hit by the car it would have been the other side that would have gotten the um

06:28:05.200 that would have gotten uh smashed the taillights would have been smashed on the other side that's 0.97

06:28:10.620 a really good point he needed an explanation from an expert and that's where this guy came in

06:28:15.380 trooper joseph paul is norfolk county's crash reconstruction expert and he's got an

06:28:19.260 associate's degree in administration to prove it for the first time at trial the commonwealth

06:28:23.500 explained that john was actually standing in the middle of a blizzard with his arm extended into

06:28:27.960 the street he had just gotten into a huge fight with karen and even though everyone is out that

06:28:32.380 night they seemed happy together according to trooper paul karen reed who was parked in front

06:28:37.040 of the neighbor's house for some reason began gunning it in reverse hitting 24 miles an hour

06:28:41.760 in just 62 feet she sideswiped john o'keefe and the tail light hit john exclusively in the arm that 0.76

06:28:46.900 was hanging out over the road for some reason this caused the tail light to shatter into 47 pieces all

06:28:51.700 of which the canton police department couldn't find in broad daylight after striking john's arm it caused

06:28:56.100 him to then catapult 30 feet and do a pirouette in midair before hitting his head on the curb and then

06:29:01.840 bouncing another 10 feet onto the grass where he finally came to his final resting place on top of

06:29:06.840 his phone how did his phone end up underneath him you ask trooper paul had an answer for that too

06:29:11.580 what's your theory how that cell phone ended up flying 30 feet it just did just did and somehow as

06:29:18.600 he landed tucked that cell phone underneath his body so he landed on top it just did that's the evidence

06:29:24.620 at the scene i can't i didn't put the evidence there so well you didn't um it just did okay and how did

06:29:30.420 he get the laceration in the back of his head simple the grass did it you see it was cold out that day

06:29:35.260 and when it gets cold the ground turns into a blunt object that causes a cut like this which

06:29:39.900 looks like professor plum hit you with a lead pipe i decided to test this theory out to see if it was

06:29:44.360 even possible to accelerate to 24 miles an hour and 62 feet this is 62 feet we're going to mark it off

06:29:49.660 right here all right boom all right and that's where 62 feet is see my car up there see where the

06:30:02.000 chalk mark is on the ground that's 62 feet so look at you mark 62 feet off right so that's where karen

06:30:10.040 reed started that's where the back of her car started okay and you see the line down there the

06:30:16.540 other line that's where he got hit okay so probably not 62 feet so this dude just stood here and he's

06:30:22.260 like yeah come hit me come hit me like think look at by the way look how far away the car is

06:30:27.200 you see somebody coming at you in reverse right that like that that's plenty of time to get away

06:30:31.980 right oh yeah like just like don't just jump out of the way

06:30:34.600 the first time i hit 14 miles per hour and ended up driving over the curb because the road curves

06:30:42.100 right where his body was found

06:30:43.380 you're on the curb am i really yeah you're on the grass then i got up to 17 miles an hour and finally

06:30:56.120 when i put the pedal to the metal i was able to hit 19

06:30:58.580 so i had 19 miles an hour there that was pretty uh i mean i felt fast as shit yeah it looked fast

06:31:20.040 and let me tell you it was scary try going that fast in reverse and you'll see that it feels like

06:31:25.500 a roller coaster it's not natural there's no possible way you can accidentally run into someone

06:31:30.880 at that speed keep in mind i did this in perfect conditions with a lexus that had a comparable

06:31:36.260 engine to reed's car i couldn't come close to 24 miles an hour and i wasn't a good enough driver to

06:31:41.500 avoid the curb but the commonwealth would have you believe that karen reed transformed into a nascar 1.00

06:31:46.380 driver hitting 24 miles an hour in 62 feet cutting the wheel just in time to intentionally hit her target 0.99

06:31:52.240 in the arm oh yeah and no one inside the house saw or heard it happen and they call us conspiracy 0.96

06:31:57.900 theorists you don't have to be a doctor to realize that this was complete bullshit but luckily the 0.57

06:32:02.440 defense had not one but two doctors who testified as to the scientific reasoning why john o'keefe 0.96

06:32:07.860 wasn't hit by a car dr daniel wolf and dr andrew rentsler are crash reconstruction experts who work

06:32:13.200 for a company called arca they have contracts with the department of defense and the nhl and were hired

06:32:17.780 by someone the defense wasn't allowed to say who at trial to run tests in order to see if john o'keefe's

06:32:23.420 injuries could have come from a motor vehicle collision they made it clear that the laws of

06:32:27.680 physics said that john o'keefe could not have been hit by a car and that a side swipe would not knock

06:32:33.480 him out of his shoe so not only does the red tail light bloom on brian albert's front lawn like a

06:32:39.180 perennial plant every february but newton's laws of physics also ceased to exist there at that time

06:32:45.620 after reed was indicted for murder arrested and released on a hundred thousand dollar bail she 1.00

06:32:49.320 realized the commonwealth was pressuring her to take a plea deal for manslaughter video footage of

06:32:53.260 her arrest and booking on june 9th 2023 shows reed telling sergeant buchanick

06:32:58.340 karen realized that she was up against the most powerful and corrupt government officials who felt

06:33:18.600 political pressure to get a conviction for an alleged cop killer in september of 2022 she hired

06:33:24.360 high-profile la-based attorney alan jackson and his associate elizabeth little specifically because

06:33:30.460 of jackson's experience with cell phone data extraction jackson had previously represented

06:33:35.240 kevin spacey in nantucket after he was falsely accused of sexually assaulting a young man the

06:33:40.620 data extraction showed that a number of exculpatory text messages from the alleged victim's phone were

06:33:45.600 deleted by his mother heather unra a wcvb reporter and jackson got the case thrown out in october of

06:33:52.220 2022 the reed team it's a pretty damn good attorney to do that he filed a motion asking the court to

06:33:57.840 order that several people inside the house including brian albert and brian higgins preserve their phones

06:34:02.860 for the first time they put on the record their theory that john o'keefe was killed inside the house

06:34:07.140 and the karen was framed afterward shortly after the motion was filed brian albert's youngest brother 1.00

06:34:11.960 tim albert posted this ominous threatening message on facebook telling the world that if you fuck with 0.99

06:34:17.300 his family he won't hesitate to make you the most miserable person judge peter crupp allowed the 0.99

06:34:24.660 motion for the preservation order but the day before it was to be put into place brian albert

06:34:28.980 and brian higgins were tipped off to it by the norfolk county da's victim witness advocate steve

06:34:33.360 nelson brian albert immediately got rid of his phone and higgins removed his sim card placed the phone and

06:34:38.880 sim card in separate trash bags and drove them to an army base in cape cod where he disposed of them in

06:34:44.680 a dumpster they both not looking good man both pretended that this was normal when they testified

06:34:49.940 back to the arc experts guess who hired them not the defense was actually the fbi shortly after the

06:34:55.120 addition of jackson and little reid's defense team reached out to the united states attorney's office

06:34:59.560 because they believed their client was the victim of a police cover-up and corruption in the da's office

06:35:04.140 the usao easily could have ignored them but they found their claims credible and ended up launching

06:35:09.660 an investigation into the investigation of john o'keefe sometime around december of 2022

06:35:13.980 on april 10th 2023 colin albert was visited in his bridgewater state dorm room by two fbi officials

06:35:20.220 with the subpoena to appear before a federal grand jury several others inside the house also received

06:35:25.460 summons including brian albert and brian higgins i wrote my first story in the canton cover-up a week

06:35:30.500 later and the karen reed case blew up overnight in may of 2023 lucky lockran was also visited by two

06:35:36.000 fbi agents as he repeated the same story that he told me there was no body on brian albert's front lawn

06:35:42.040 at 2 30. everyone in the house immediately lawyered up brian albert's family hired attorney

06:35:46.360 greg henning colin albert hired joe krowski jr and higgins hired brian connelly higgins immediately cut

06:35:52.040 tie with the albert family and began ignoring their messages clearly they were worried about what higgins

06:35:56.980 would tell the grand jury this prompted kevin albert to send a text message to higgins telling

06:36:02.160 him that he was making everyone worried but worried about what just tell him the guy never came in the

06:36:06.680 house jennifer mccabe matt mccabe brian albert colin albert sarah levinson julie nagle michael proctor

06:36:12.120 and several others ended up testifying before a closed door grand jury session although no indictments

06:36:18.200 have come as of yet the fbi hired arca to see if karen reed could be ruled out as a suspect she was 0.63

06:36:23.880 from there they began secretly monitoring the mcalberts and proctor's phones and their suspicious

06:36:29.160 incriminating text messages were included in a 3 000 page report that was given about the commonwealth

06:36:34.200 and defense shortly before trial the report is what showed and that's how they were able to get the 0.96

06:36:39.240 the the um uh proctors because i was wondering i i was like searching this like how the fuck did 0.83

06:36:43.800 proctor's um text messages get into the defense and it was because this fbi um investigation basically

06:36:51.160 but brian albert and higgins were tipped off to destroy their phones the investigation is what showed

06:36:56.520 brian albert was given to both the commonwealth and defense shortly before trial the report is what

06:37:01.400 showed brian albert and higgins were tipped off to destroy their phones the investigation discovered

06:37:06.200 that albert and higgins lied to the state grand jury that indicted karen reed when they testified they

06:37:10.600 were sleeping at 2 a.m at 2 22 a.m albert called higgins but higgins didn't answer higgins called back

06:37:16.280 right away and they spoke for 22 seconds after being confronted with the fact that they clearly

06:37:20.440 lied about being asleep higgins and albert came up with a new lie they butt dialed and butt answered each

06:37:25.800 other in fact albert testified that after drinking all day the man in his 50s decided to have sex with 0.96

06:37:31.880 his wife nicole and while they were having sex he butt answered higgins butt dial a february 1st 2022 0.85

06:37:38.360 group text message with the mccabes and alberts shows that matt mccabe was telling the others to 0.94

06:37:43.320 instruct chris albert to tell the media tell them the guy never went in the house correct yes mr mccabe who

06:37:51.960 was the guy that you were referring to does he have a name that would be john why would they need

06:37:57.080 to instruct chris albert who wasn't at 34 fairview road that night to say this if john never came

06:38:02.360 inside the house the text also showed that the mcalberts were heavily monitoring police activity

06:38:07.080 at the scene and discussing who was telling the police what a quantico trained forensic expert

06:38:12.120 from the fbi also confirmed that jennifer mccabe's google search happened at 227 but perhaps the most

06:38:17.160 damning thing the fbi discovered were michael proctor's tax messages on yeah uh 227 yeah and

06:38:23.000 that that goes for um that's important for the uh defense that jennifer mccabe searched that at 227 0.97

06:38:31.800 because that means why the hell would you search that at 227 if he wasn't already like out there

06:38:40.520 or you didn't plan to put him out there on the evening of january 29th 2022 he was going through

06:38:46.440 her cell phone uh karen reed and they showed the text message of what he did made him look like a

06:38:50.520 retard one of his friends named bird asked proctor if the homeowner would quote get some for having 0.95

06:38:55.560 a dead cop on his lawn proctor responded by saying nope homeowner is a boston cop literally saying that

06:39:01.640 the reason brian albert wouldn't be treated as a potential suspect as he normally would was because

06:39:06.280 of his status as a police officer the messages with his friends that night show that he had already

06:39:11.160 decided that karen reed and karen reed alone was guilty telling them that there would be quote serious

06:39:16.200 charges brought on the girl he couldn't hide his disdain for karen reed telling his friends

06:39:20.920 she's a whack job these are your words trooper proctor yes your honor go ahead and say them

06:39:26.840 and she probably has a whack job let's be honest here guys but for him to put that a text and for 0.89

06:39:30.680 it to be read out on court crazy bro falcon punch she called john o'keefe 50 times yeah she's a babe 0.99

06:39:39.320 we had fall river accent though no ass when she's a babe no ass though that's funny that's 1.00

06:39:46.760 fucking funny man these guys incredible asked if she would be skating on the charges he replied zero 0.99

06:39:53.000 chances she skates she's fucked he told them that quote all the powers that be want answers asap 0.99

06:39:59.480 indicating political uh bruce banner says you say uh she's most likely gonna walk even if she did it but 0.98

06:40:05.560 how and if she didn't do it then what what do you think well the case is too compromised bro at this

06:40:10.280 point i think she's gonna walk because the case is just way too compromised go pressure to charge reed 0.64

06:40:16.600 quickly proctor's text not only showed his bias it showed what a piggy was when asked if she was

06:40:21.800 attractive proctor made fun of her medical condition she's got a leaky or not leaks poo on the day that 1.00

06:40:26.680 she was indicted leaks poo proctor texted fellow norfolk state police detective david de chico and

06:40:34.040 said that reed was attractive if you like women who themselves right before arresting 0.50

06:40:40.280 this nigga funny bro read for murder on june 9 proctor texted his wife elizabeth and told her 0.81

06:40:45.320 we're gonna lock this whack job up on august 17th in a group text that included his superior officers 0.97

06:40:51.400 lieutenant fanning and sergeant buchanan proctor said that he was going through david united's retarded 0.97

06:40:55.800 client's phone no nude so far i hate that man i truly hate him 0.90

06:41:03.160 was alleging that proctor's investigation was flawed proctor's texts also showed that he and

06:41:07.800 the chico discussed ways to manipulate the medical examiner proctor called emmy irene scordie bello 0.99

06:41:13.240 a whack job because her report said that the cause of john's death was undetermined that bro me seeing 1.00

06:41:18.120 this stupid shit bro makes me say like goddamn i gotta get back on the job man 1.00

06:41:21.640 these niggas keep fucking up bro 1.00

06:41:29.800 incredible 0.99

06:41:35.800 guys i'm out to go back to the government man 1.00

06:41:39.320 put some of these weirdos in jail holy shit man 0.99

06:41:43.000 chico mocked proctor for not being able to pressure the emmy to come back with the homicide 0.99

06:41:48.440 determination proctor really hated scordie bello and she turned out to be a great witness for the

06:41:52.840 defense of the trial because she testified that john could have been hit with the blunt object perhaps

06:41:57.000 most disturbing was proctor's text messages with the sister courtney in which they both talk about

06:42:01.640 how they hope can read kills herself so that the okey family didn't have to sit through a trial jurors 1.00

06:42:06.120 were never told about the federal investigation so they had no idea that all of these tax messages

06:42:11.000 came from the feds or that arco was hired by the feds or the investigation itself was so suspect that

06:42:16.680 the u.s attorney himself josh levy had conducted a grand jury in which all these witnesses were

06:42:20.840 grilled about their lives jurors afterwards said that they thought arco was paid to lie by cameron

06:42:25.240 reed's car insurance company had they known about the federal investigation it certainly would

06:42:29.160 have impacted their verdict which is exactly why judge beverly canoni didn't allow it to be

06:42:33.320 mentioned in court speaking of judge canoni the former public defender hasn't exactly tried to

06:42:38.200 hide or obvious bias for the favor of the commonwealth judge canoni wouldn't allow the

06:42:41.480 defense to hold an evidentiary hearing she allowed the commonwealth witnesses who aren't doctors to

06:42:45.560 testify about the causation of injuries but not defense witnesses and put sanctions on defense

06:42:50.520 attorneys over a misunderstanding involving paying for witnesses travel expenses but never once

06:42:54.920 reprimanded the commonwealth for presenting an inverted video at trial in july of 2023 the defense

06:42:59.800 filed a motion to recuse the judge after matt mccabe's brother sean

06:43:02.920 messaged this award-winning journalist and said that he was going to murder me and bury my corpse 1.00

06:43:07.880 oh shit 0.99

06:43:11.720 in the front yard of auntie bev's seaside cottage somehow sean mccabe knew that canoni owned a 0.99

06:43:17.160 seaside cottage down the cape that was just a couple miles from his house additionally judge

06:43:21.240 canoni's brother is a lawyer who represented chris albert in 1994 when albert was convicted of

06:43:25.720 killing a hungarian foreign exchange student in a hit and run car crash to the surprise of no one

06:43:30.920 judge canoni denied the motion to recuse after determining that she wasn't biased little did

06:43:35.880 i realize that sean mccabe was going to be the least of my problems you see i was too effective

06:43:40.360 at getting the word out about the commonwealth's blatant corruption i was holding protests in the

06:43:43.560 courthouse steps before hearings and even though the rolling rally in canton where we stopped at the

06:43:47.160 homes of the mcalvards and proctors for five minutes each and i explained to the crowd of 100 or so

06:43:50.920 people what they'd done to cover up the murder of john o'keefe the state police in norfolk this

06:43:54.840 this nigga bro he's got this guy going hard bro no wonder they want to silence him his office 1.00

06:43:59.800 really didn't like this in august of 23 d.a michael morrissey issued a press release video in which he 0.78

06:44:05.000 inappropriately vouched for the truthfulness of the mcalverts said that michael proctor didn't know any

06:44:09.080 of the witnesses and demanded that the protest stop but of course we didn't colin albert didn't

06:44:13.240 commit murder jennifer mccabe matthew mccabe and brian albert these people were not part of a conspiracy

06:44:18.840 and certainly did not commit murder or any crime that night they have been forthcoming with authority

06:44:23.320 providing statements and have not engaged in any cover-up they are not suspects of any crime

06:44:27.640 they're merely witnesses in the case trooper proctor had no close personal relationship

06:44:32.040 any of the parties involved in the investigation what had no conflict and he had no reason to

06:44:36.600 step out of the investigation every suggestion to the contrary is a lie on september 25th 2023 i

06:44:41.960 published a story after getting a tip that a car resembling jennifer mccabe's was seen parked at

06:44:46.600 the proctor's house if true it would mean that morrissey had lied in the statement about the proctors

06:44:51.400 not being friends with any of the witnesses in order to verify this i asked turtle riders if one

06:44:55.800 of them could run a license plate for me and gave them the license plate number of the car parked

06:45:00.360 outside proctor's house several people ran it for me but one of them was an avon police dispatcher

06:45:04.760 named janelle webb and it was traced back to her for the crime of peacefully protesting reporting the

06:45:08.840 news and exposing the fact that michael morrissey is a liar i was arrested on october 11 2023 at my

06:45:14.200 kid's bus stop and charged with nine counts of felony witness intimidation three counts of picketing and

06:45:19.080 one count of conspiracy to commit witness intimidation i was indicted two months later

06:45:23.400 since i was out on bail another charge would mean that my bail could be revoked for 60 days naturally

06:45:28.360 then brian tully and special prosecutor ken mellow began conspiring with the side chick i was seeing

06:45:33.240 on friday nights deputized her as a witness and got her to invite me over her apartment so they could

06:45:37.720 falsely accuse me of hitting her and have me charged with witness intimidation oh for that i was

06:45:42.200 sentenced to 60 days in jail on my birthday the day after christmas the trial began on april of 2024

06:45:48.040 and lasted almost three months on the final day of closing statements judge canoni called

06:45:52.280 up a juror who is visibly disgusted by the commonwealth throughout most of the trial and

06:45:56.520 told her that she'd been reported by lieutenant john fanning who was somehow in charge of juror

06:46:01.080 security for allegedly talking about the case at a bar six weeks prior judge canoni then appointed a

06:46:06.120 former cop who was hit by a car to be the jury foreman exempting him from the lottery that would

06:46:11.080 determine who the alternates were clerk jim mcdermott drew two numbers out of a bucket but didn't show

06:46:15.560 anyone in court what so much problems here man this is the problem with the state man these

06:46:19.800 dudes are just not thorough messy messy messy those numbers work two other jurors who planned 0.81

06:46:25.560 on voting not guilty were named alternates and not allowed to delivery after five days of

06:46:29.800 deliberations the deep division is not due to a lack of effort or diligence but rather a sincere

06:46:34.360 adherence to our individual principles and moral convictions to continue to deliberate would be

06:46:38.680 futile and only serve to force us to compromise these deeply held beliefs i'm not going to do that to

06:46:43.320 you folks your service is complete i'm declaring a mistrial in this case judge canoni declared a

06:46:47.560 mistrial without pulling any of the jurors just when you thought things couldn't get any more corrupt

06:46:51.560 jurors started speaking out afterwards the one charge that we were not very clear on and not

06:46:55.400 everybody was in agreement with was essentially the manslaughter charge involuntary manslaughter so that

06:47:00.600 was the one that we were not clear on but the other two charges which was essentially second

06:47:04.760 degree murder as well as leaving a scene of an accident was very clear we all 12 agreed um that was not

06:47:10.840 the case and since the instructions were not clear they had no idea that they could acquit on two

06:47:15.800 charges and hang on the third so now karen reed will have to face those charges again despite half 1.00

06:47:19.880 the jury coming forward and swearing that they voted to acquit her trial two will be very different from

06:47:24.440 the first trial mike all right like a proctor has been fired and it's unclear if he or the disastrous

06:47:29.960 joseph all will be called as witnesses by the commonwealth we know that they've abandoned they definitely

06:47:34.920 won't bring proctor back as a witness no way several of their own witnesses that were favorable to

06:47:39.960 karen reed and they've added fake youtube doctors as expert witnesses will try to prove that trooper 1.00

06:47:44.840 paul what he couldn't do in the first trial the norfolk county da's office has hired mob attorney

06:47:49.560 hank brennan a close personal friend of mass murderer whitey bulger to be lead prosecutor for

06:47:55.800 the commonwealth they have dozens of ada's who get paid to do that job already but all of them refused 0.99

06:48:00.840 to do it and there was no that way they were going with lunchbox lally again brennan claimed that

06:48:05.400 he wanted to ensure karen reed got a fair trial but since taking over he spent most of his time

06:48:09.720 trying to prevent her witnesses from testifying thus far brennan has shown a deep personal obsession

06:48:14.440 with getting things he's not entitled to like phone records for me and everyone in karen reed's

06:48:17.880 family but the facts and the science remain on the side of karen reed some may say that it's hard to

06:48:22.680 believe that this many people could be involved in a conspiracy but it's really not that complicated

06:48:26.680 five well-connected people with ties to law enforcement brian albert nicole albert matt mccabe jennifer

06:48:31.640 mccabe and brian higgins spoke to police after being alone for hours and getting their simple

06:48:35.640 story straight the guy never came in the house the lead detective was from canton and his family

06:48:40.120 called the alberts the second family all he had to do was cover for them plant some tail light and 0.73

06:48:44.360 avoid doing normal detective work his bosses instinctively covered for him because cops

06:48:49.080 don't snitch on other cops from there it's just people trusting institutions it all makes sense it all

06:48:53.800 fits karen reed defying the laws of physics cell phone data no longer being reliable evidence and

06:48:58.920 eyewitnesses not seeing something that they definitely should have seen does not make any

06:49:02.920 sense there can never be justice for john o'keefe without justice for karen reed she is undeniably

06:49:08.360 innocent which means by default that the mcalverts are undeniably guilty we may never know exactly what 0.96

06:49:14.040 happened to john o'keefe when he went inside brian albert's house but we know as a fact that he was

06:49:18.360 beaten up by several people you know what the fact that they didn't search the house is a big problem

06:49:24.440 hacked by a dog and thrown out on the lawn to die in the cold we know as a fact that the state police

06:49:30.600 are well aware of this and that they allowed michael proctor to intentionally subvert justice but we also

06:49:36.280 know that we will never stop fighting for justice until karen reed is free all right not bad man made a

06:49:44.680 very compelling case two shareholders and trying to save my own life um i was bitter at first but

06:49:53.320 i understand it i just had such strong tender feelings for and i still do for fidelity um i would

06:50:01.640 have stayed there forever i was very happy there but as former co-workers have reached out have donated

06:50:08.360 incredibly generously i feel like all right it's the company is the people yeah and they've been there for

06:50:14.440 me and um do you miss that i i miss working every day i miss just being ordinary and um not feeling

06:50:25.640 like people are looking at me everywhere i go does that happen it does i don't know that everyone is

06:50:32.600 but i know people approach me everywhere i go and i have to imagine there's people who aren't approaching

06:50:37.320 me that recognize me but i i've come to terms with the fact ted that this is this is what my purpose is

06:50:45.400 in my life it wasn't working at fidelity it wasn't teaching a night class at bentley those jobs are

06:50:51.880 replaceable someone else is doing the job someone else is teaching someone else is the dean at bentley

06:50:56.680 now that my father's gone and we're here to shed light on the corruption that exists in this state and i feel

06:51:06.200 humbled by it in some ways it's a nightmare and i wish it never happened but i also feel that i can

06:51:13.960 handle this and i don't feel weaker as it goes i feel stronger and the public support is a big the

06:51:21.160 restoration of my reputation which was a big loss has re-energized me has energized me rejuvenated me

06:51:28.520 but this is this is what i'm here for and i get messages constantly from mainly from people i've

06:51:34.600 never met and from people that are suffering and it's a lot of women that have either had like a

06:51:39.240 physical loss of a spouse or a child or an illness similar to mine or with a colostomy bag um or

06:51:45.800 colostomy oh that's why they were making fun of her for the poop stuff okay or have been the victim of

06:51:50.600 of of uh you know police harassment or um some type of unfairness with the criminal justice system

06:51:59.080 um and there's a lot of suffering in this world mine is just very visible but i i do feel

06:52:06.280 honored isn't the right word but i'm humbled by it and i feel like this is your

06:52:08.760 purpose and a lot of people have purposes thrust on them that they just didn't really want so people

06:52:13.480 will stop you on these streets what do they say to you a lot of times so i just went to the cobbler

06:52:17.240 to get shoes that i'm going to wear to court this week that i wore out during trial and the cobbler

06:52:21.240 on dream on street and someone in the shop said to me just very respectfully you know hang in there

06:52:25.720 and a lot of people are pulling for you i hear that probably the most if i if i could generalize

06:52:30.680 the sentiment we're pulling for you hang in there um i was walking through the common when the weather

06:52:35.400 was warmer in the fall with a an old friend from fidelity and used to fatally striking her boston

06:52:46.840 police officer boyfriend john o'keefe with her car during a snowstorm back in 2022.

06:52:52.840 her defense though claims a massive cover-up by local law enforcement before i bring in my guest

06:52:58.440 let's take a closer look at the evidence in the case against karen reed here's our own court tv

06:53:03.480 crime and justice correspondent matt johnson now to walk us through the crime scene

06:53:10.280 we're here in canton massachusetts this is just outside of boston and on january 28 2022 karen reed and

06:53:17.640 john o'keefe went out drinking they went drinking here at the waterfall bar and grill

06:53:22.840 we're here at the fairview road in canton and at this house

06:53:27.560 we're here at the fairview road at the fairview road at the fairview road at the fairview road in canton

06:53:37.320 and at this house this house was owned by brian and nicole albert at the time brian was a good friend of theirs and also a police officer now what happens next is what this case is all about prosecutors say that the couple

06:53:53.320 actually got into a fight and when o'keefe exited the car karen reed backed over him leaving him to die in the curb here in front of this house during the snowstorm police collected a lot of evidence at the scene including what appeared to be in the curb here in front of this house during the snowstorm

06:54:05.320 what appeared to be a broken cocktail glass with blood around it and also a broken tail light now reed says when she pulled up to the house here she wanted to know if the couple was really invited it was late at night

06:54:24.040 so she watched john o'keefe walk up to the front door over there and when he didn't return to the car and didn't return her phone call that's when she said she went to his house and fell asleep

06:54:42.040 the next morning karen reed hasn't heard from john so she starts making phone calls and then she comes back here to the last place she says that she saw him over at this house on fairview and that's when he's discovered lying in the snow dead

06:55:02.040 now reed's defense says a very different story they say that john was actually beaten up in the basement of this house and attacked by the family dog

06:55:11.040 they claim that he was dragged outside and left in the snow to die now being here on fairview road in canton a few things come to mind why didn't someone see anything because the neighborhood it's it's fairly dense the houses are close together but you have to keep in mind that this happened in january in the middle of the night and it was also a snow storm whiteout conditions now another key for the defense is the snow plow driver who said that he was

06:55:41.020 he cleared fairview road here the morning that john o'keefe was found dead i wonder what this house is worth

06:55:47.160 read let's see here

06:55:50.480 nine hundred five thousand

06:55:59.620 that's what it looks like

06:56:04.620 yeah and this is clearly when they used to live here

06:56:32.560 five bedrooms four baths big backyard

06:56:40.320 big pool

06:56:45.560 let's see here what's the average income

06:56:55.960 demographics

06:57:10.760 21 000 people

06:57:13.460 81 percent white

06:57:16.820 six percent african-american that's good

06:57:20.020 um

06:57:21.020 uh what's the median income here let's see

06:57:25.160 oh wow median income 109 000 so yeah you gotta you gotta have money to live in this town

06:57:38.720 nicer town

06:57:42.020 and he claims that he didn't see a body in the road or near the road

06:57:49.780 all right let's welcome our guests for this hour criminal defense attorney lara yaretzian thank you of course for joining me this hour to talk about the karen reid case all right court is dark a lot of evidence is presented the second trial has been very different than the first trial you have a different prosecutor you have a different presentation of evidence you have different evidence being presented including the second trial

06:58:03.020 the second trial has been very different than the first trial you have a different prosecutor you have a different presentation of evidence you have different evidence being presented including yesterday a witness about some of the evidence that was found i want to talk specifically about the fact that there was testimony yesterday laura that some of the tail light there was trace evidence of it on john o'keefe's clothing i think that makes a pretty good connection

06:58:32.020 of course it does i mean it basically as far as the prosecution is concerned it's gonna they're gonna argue that there was contact between the vehicle or the tail light and john o'keefe's body and hence the transference that's an easy one but we'll have to see what the defense is gonna do because i bet you they've got some experts themselves who are gonna be challenging this really great point i think that they will as well but talk about the third party culprit defense because the judges ruled that they're not allowed to use

06:59:01.960 that unless the door is open but it doesn't mean they can't argue that something else happened to her that something else happened inside him rather john o'keefe that something else happened inside that house do you think that this time around it's smart to say something happened inside the house he was dragged outside the dog attacked him or do you think perhaps a broader defense of many things could have happened because there's not enough evidence that she hit him with the car would that have been a better

06:59:31.940 way to go maybe uh look it all right women talking no one cares all right um so guys i am going to uh

06:59:42.940 i think i'm going to call it a night chat it's been uh we're about to cross into the seven hour mark

06:59:49.480 yes we're crossing into the seven hour mark i am going to cover um tomorrow i'm going to cover uh charlie kirk debate

06:59:58.940 um which i think it's going to be um which i think it's going to be i think

07:00:09.380 i see if i was it this one

07:00:17.680 you

07:00:24.400 but i think it's going to be easy to see you

07:00:25.420 and after the last minute

07:00:29.420 you

07:00:31.800 and it's aятis

07:00:32.420 yeah

07:00:33.920 that's right

07:00:34.860 and

07:00:35.780 that's

07:00:36.080 it's not

07:00:36.380 it's not

07:00:38.280 it's not

07:00:39.480 aamp

07:00:40.420 etc

07:00:42.080 So 0.98

07:00:43.860 I'm trying to remember where the fuck I put it, or where it went. 0.99

07:00:54.500 Hold on one sec. 0.99

07:01:13.860 Okay, I think this is it, Christian.

07:01:23.980 How are you, Charlie?

07:01:25.060 Yeah, this is the one I'm going to cover.

07:01:28.020 So I'll cover this debate tomorrow, chat.

07:01:33.380 It's going to be a good one.

07:01:34.960 I'm going to break down this debate, and then I'm also going to—

07:01:40.900 and then if I've got time, I'll cover Jubilee as well.

07:01:43.860 I've got time, which will be this one right here.

07:01:54.740 I don't want to hear y'all talk about Karen Reed no more.

07:01:57.440 I gave you guys a seven-hour stream dedicated just to Karen Reed, bro.

07:02:01.520 We covered every angle. 0.99

07:02:03.900 We covered every fucking angle, man. 0.99

07:02:06.760 What is it? 0.99

07:02:07.600 What are we going to search here?

07:02:08.660 We're going to search—oh, yeah, Jubilee.

07:02:13.860 You're a Christian.

07:02:16.960 So, yeah, this hour and a half, this is nine minutes, so I'll do both tomorrow.

07:02:23.540 I'll do both these debates tomorrow for you guys.

07:02:25.600 So, yeah, that's what we're going to do.

07:02:35.880 It's going to be a good one, chat.

07:02:37.440 It's definitely going to be a good one.

07:02:41.480 Let's see here what else we got.

07:02:42.700 Is there anything else on Karen Reed that y'all wanted to cover before I get off?

07:03:00.440 Let me make sure I didn't miss any of your guys' super chats.

07:03:02.500 All right.

07:03:26.220 I'll do the Sudan War another day because I don't think I'll have time. 1.00

07:03:29.040 Because we've got to give you guys Money Monday tomorrow.

07:03:33.160 We're going to do Money Monday.

07:03:38.200 And we're going to do—also, guys, do me a favor.

07:03:42.020 Follow me on Instagram.

07:03:44.220 Okay.

07:03:45.160 FedReacts.

07:03:46.640 That's my Instagram account.

07:03:47.940 Follow me on there.

07:03:50.320 Okay.

07:03:50.680 Okay.

07:03:59.040 So, make sure to check me out over there. 0.77

07:04:00.380 Mario, the first says the case was trash.

07:04:25.620 Complain to the people that you're—complain to your colleagues, buddy. 1.00

07:04:30.880 Like, I mean, they've been asking for this shit for a minute, bro. 0.99

07:04:34.640 I've gotten so many requests for Karen Reed, bro. 0.99

07:04:37.200 So, I'm just giving the people what they want, man. 0.92

07:04:40.120 Really don't know what to tell you, nigga. 1.00

07:04:43.360 If you want to bitch about it, you can bitch about it. 0.99

07:04:46.480 Here, let's watch a little bit more of this, then we'll close out. 0.96

07:04:48.220 And someone just was running, some guy maybe about 25, 30 years old, running through—

07:04:51.800 Streaming seven hours.

07:04:53.060 —with a comment, and he waited until he passed me.

07:04:54.680 And this was about 5 o'clock.

07:04:55.760 There were people everywhere, and he just yelled, free Karen Reed. 0.97

07:04:57.740 People will yell that in a busy area.

07:04:59.520 But it's constant, and it's heartwarming to me that this is my old stomping grounds.

07:05:04.280 I used to live here in a building on the other side of this park lane.

07:05:07.140 That was my first apartment.

07:05:08.380 I met my best girlfriend there, and then I started working at Fidelity.

07:05:11.340 Were you in your 20s when you offered him?

07:05:12.660 I was in my 20s when I started at Fidelity.

07:05:14.920 I'd been somewhere before that.

07:05:16.000 But this area is comfortable to me.

07:05:18.680 And there was a year that was kind of in hibernation,

07:05:21.200 where the general public did not know the truth of what had happened.

07:05:24.140 So I didn't know when I went out, what are people thinking?

07:05:26.000 I would go check my mail or bring my garbage barrels in at night.

07:05:28.900 I'd wait until nighttime, and then I'd go out to the street on Gilbert Street,

07:05:31.780 where I used to live in Mansfield.

07:05:32.680 And I just didn't want anyone looking at me or wondering or judging.

07:05:35.980 And now I can only go out when I have energy, and I'm ready to engage,

07:05:40.200 and I'm receptive to it.

07:05:41.660 I mean, if we're having a rough day with a case or something personal,

07:05:44.320 I can't just go out and be anonymous and just sit and...

07:05:48.840 Someone will approach you.

07:05:49.940 Someone will approach you.

07:05:50.520 But it always feels good, and it makes me think, right?

07:05:52.620 These are common people.

07:05:54.420 These are the jurors.

07:05:55.620 Yep.

07:05:57.000 Yeah, she's going to walk, bro.

07:05:59.320 She's going to walk.

07:06:00.860 What I might do, guys, is I might go up to Massachusetts

07:06:03.180 when it's closing arguments.

07:06:05.120 Maybe I'll do that for you guys.

07:06:08.020 But anyway, guys, love you, ninjas.

07:06:10.260 I'm going to get off.

07:06:11.680 I'm going to get some food. 0.99

07:06:12.340 I'm fucking dying. 0.99

07:06:13.080 Take Frank for a walk. 1.00

07:06:14.040 Feed him, too.

07:06:14.600 He hasn't eaten yet.

07:06:15.860 So I'll be back tomorrow at 5.

07:06:22.060 It's going to be a good time.

07:06:24.680 And, yeah.

07:06:27.980 Catch you guys tomorrow.

07:06:30.140 But, of course, you guys know I got to...

07:06:33.760 If I'm going to go ahead, I got to...

07:06:34.860 I'll catch you guys back here tomorrow at 5 o'clock!

07:06:54.640 Peace out, ninjas!

07:06:55.480 Every branch and leaf

07:06:56.900 They're born to the sea

07:06:58.540 But I'm telling you the truth

07:07:00.600 It's not just one or two

07:07:02.300 It's every single Jew 1.00

07:07:04.180 They all hate you 0.99

07:07:06.200 And it really breaks my heart 0.70

07:07:08.040 But their lies are off the charts

07:07:09.920 And they only bring us harm

07:07:11.900 You've got to get smart

07:07:13.540 So if you want to be safe

07:07:15.580 And don't want to get replaced

07:07:17.440 It's best you start being based 1.00

07:07:19.520 Or you'll get erased

07:07:20.780 Every single time

07:07:22.160 Every single crime

07:07:24.080 Every single line

07:07:25.960 Early life

07:07:27.780 Every single hour

07:07:29.660 Every single day

07:07:31.540 Every single night

07:07:33.420 Early life

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - May 25, 2025

Fed Explains The Karen Read Case： Domestic Violence Gone Wrong Or A Coverup？

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