The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Fed & Lawyer Explain Idaho Murders. Is Bryan Kohberger Guilty？ @LegalMindset

00:00:00.480 And we are live. What's up guys? Welcome to Fed. I'm here with Legal Mindset. We're going to be talking about the Idaho murders. You guys have been asking for this one for a very long time. Let's break it down.

00:00:11.180 I was a special agent with Homeland Security Investigations. Okay guys? HSI. The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug trafficking.

00:00:19.680 No one else has these documents by the way.

00:00:21.920 Here's what Fed covers.

00:00:23.640 Dr. Lafredo confirmed lacerations due to stepping on glass.

00:00:29.540 Murder Investigations.

00:00:30.860 You see him reaching in his jacket. You don't know.

00:00:33.120 And he's positioning.

00:00:33.780 Been on February 13, 2019.

00:00:35.460 You're facing two counts of two meditative murders.

00:00:38.400 Bracketeering and Rico conspiracies.

00:00:40.360 Young Slime Life here and after referred to as YSL.

00:00:43.000 This is 6ix9ine and then this is Billy Seiko right here. 0.73

00:00:46.480 Now when they first started guys, 6ix9ine ran with. 0.98

00:00:49.080 I'm a Fed. I'm watching this music video.

00:00:51.340 You know, I'm bobbing my head like, hey this shit lit. 0.98

00:00:53.440 But at the same time I'm pausing. 0.99

00:00:54.920 Oh wait, who this? Right?

00:00:56.700 Who's that in the back? 0.73

00:00:57.560 Firearms and Violent Clans.

00:01:00.180 A.K.A. Bush Icy violated.

00:01:01.980 They're wanting to stay away from the victim.

00:01:03.720 Bush Icy arrested after shooting at King of Diamonds.

00:01:06.020 Miami Slip Club injured one person. 0.98

00:01:07.700 This is the one that's going to fuck him up because this gun is not tracing. 0.98

00:01:11.220 Well, it happens at the gun range. 0.99

00:01:12.380 Here's your boy 42 Doug right here on the left.

00:01:14.660 Okay. 0.99

00:01:15.000 Sex trafficking and sex crime. 0.71

00:01:16.560 They can effectively link him to paying an underage girl.

00:01:19.660 I'm going to blow my 50-11 right.

00:01:21.160 And the first bomb went off right here.

00:01:23.940 Suspect 2 set down a backpack on the site of the second explosion.

00:01:27.800 Inspired by Al-Qaeda. 0.93

00:01:29.240 Two terrorists, brothers, Dezokar Sarnev and Tamerlan Sarnev.

00:01:33.800 When the cartel shipped drugs into the country.

00:01:35.860 This guy got arrested for espionage.

00:01:38.300 Okay.

00:01:38.560 Trading secrets with the Russians for monetary compensation. 0.57

00:01:42.240 The largest corrupt police bust in New Orleans history.

00:01:46.820 The days of the police are gone.

00:01:48.420 So he was in this bad boy.

00:01:49.960 We're going to go over his past.

00:01:51.740 The gang guy.

00:01:52.580 So that this all makes sense.

00:02:00.180 All right.

00:02:01.000 What's up, guys?

00:02:01.620 Welcome to FedEx.

00:02:02.340 I know you guys complain.

00:02:03.140 Yo, the intro's too long.

00:02:04.180 Hey, man.

00:02:04.820 I need a couple.

00:02:05.560 No, it's fire.

00:02:06.660 It's two fires.

00:02:07.620 What it is?

00:02:08.020 It's great.

00:02:08.560 I love it, man.

00:02:11.080 But guys, I got Andrew from Legal Mindset in the house, man.

00:02:14.780 If you guys already know, if I have him in the house, we got a very thorough breakdown

00:02:18.360 for you guys.

00:02:19.060 You guys have been requesting this thing since November when it first broke.

00:02:22.660 Hey, cover this case.

00:02:23.740 Cover this case.

00:02:24.240 Cover this case.

00:02:24.720 As you guys know, they recently got a suspect in custody.

00:02:27.780 We're going to break down the case overall, how they identified the suspect, what's going

00:02:32.420 on, the current legal process, what we predict in the future.

00:02:36.600 And yeah, but yo, Andrew, I know who you are, but the people might not know who you are.

00:02:41.080 But yeah, yeah, sure.

00:02:43.820 I'm Andrew Esquire.

00:02:44.800 I got my channel Legal Mindset.

00:02:46.220 Follow me on YouTube, Rumble and Locals, legalmindset.locals.com.

00:02:50.100 All those platforms, best ways to find me.

00:02:51.960 I've been covering this case since the jump.

00:02:54.300 I'm a practicing Florida attorney, but I live now in Seoul, South Korea.

00:02:57.600 I've been, I've done cases in court.

00:02:59.860 I've done non, you know, non-litigation.

00:03:02.780 I've done litigation.

00:03:03.260 So I have done everything and I cover just about everything on my channel and I've gone

00:03:10.000 on a deep dive on this case because it is hotly requested and I'm a man of the people.

00:03:14.000 I give the people what they want and this is something I covered before they caught the

00:03:18.820 guy.

00:03:19.120 And now we're following it through this case.

00:03:22.120 And I'll tell you right now, will be the biggest case of the year in whatever year it goes.

00:03:28.600 Now we'll talk about when I think this case is actually going to go to trial, but whenever

00:03:31.900 this case goes, it will be the largest case ever.

00:03:34.620 And we're looking at some insane facts that Myron and I are going to break down for you

00:03:38.760 from a law enforcement, law enforcement perspective and from a legal perspective.

00:03:43.160 I'm super excited about this one.

00:03:45.200 Yeah, no, this one is going to be lit.

00:03:46.600 We got a super chat here, Raul goes in town visiting a couple of buddies, just had BBQ

00:03:50.220 and Kraft and Brickle.

00:03:51.060 Everything you guys say about Miami is 1000% facts.

00:03:54.280 Yeah, I ain't kidding around when I tell you guys, Miami is the Olympics of hypergamy, my

00:03:57.480 friend.

00:03:57.980 Yeah, it is.

00:03:58.540 It is the, it is the top tier.

00:04:00.740 It is the Olympics.

00:04:01.720 You got it.

00:04:02.240 You cannot come to Miami with your B game.

00:04:04.860 You got to be on your A game in Miami, period.

00:04:08.240 Hands down.

00:04:09.940 Don't know if anybody asked, but could you do a take K breakdown?

00:04:13.020 Yeah.

00:04:13.200 Take K is probably one of the worst snuff shooters of all time.

00:04:15.720 He did the song, the race while he was running from the police for murder and burglary.

00:04:19.940 And then AR Abb as well.

00:04:21.680 Don't worry.

00:04:21.960 I'll do some of those terrible self-snitching hip hop cases as well in the future.

00:04:26.020 But so this case, I guess, I guess to give my overall thoughts on it, it gave me some

00:04:32.420 Ted Bundy vibes.

00:04:33.280 Do you remember, do you ever hear about the, I went to University of Florida.

00:04:37.460 Did you hear about the Rawlings killings, the Danny Rawlings killings?

00:04:41.300 You know, I did, I did hear them, but the, the facts are a little murky.

00:04:44.940 So back in the day in Gainesville, this was before ring cameras and CCTV and all that good

00:04:51.620 stuff.

00:04:51.840 We have traffic hands.

00:04:53.720 This guy was a rando, right?

00:04:55.480 Some random dude who went around killing women in Gainesville and he would, you know, position

00:05:01.720 their bodies for shock value and all this.

00:05:03.940 And there was one of the famous murders that he committed was at a house where the boyfriend

00:05:08.780 was sleeping there.

00:05:10.060 He still broke in, murdered the boyfriend with a knife because he used a knife and as well

00:05:14.360 as the other girls in that apartment. 0.83

00:05:16.500 And this reminded me of that specific murder.

00:05:18.180 Now he, he had more than one, he was a serial killer, but it reminded me of that, the use

00:05:22.200 of the knife, the boyfriend being there.

00:05:24.420 You know, that's another fact that I think really sets this apart because you had three

00:05:29.420 women, three blonde college sorority type women and one of their boyfriends that were

00:05:34.380 killed.

00:05:35.300 And it really reminded me of that because it put everybody in fear following this incident.

00:05:41.100 Everybody was remote at University of Idaho.

00:05:44.880 Everyone was there.

00:05:45.740 Everyone was out and just scared for their life.

00:05:49.180 People didn't want to be there.

00:05:50.180 People didn't want to be in class.

00:05:51.640 Exact same sentiment was back in the day with the Rawlings murders.

00:05:55.020 And those still have not been, have been forgotten in Gainesville.

00:05:57.700 And I think the University of Idaho, they're going to be feeling this one for a long time.

00:06:01.580 When, when, when did the Rawlings murders happen?

00:06:03.980 Oh, I'd have to look it up.

00:06:05.140 It was, I was not, no, this is before, um, 80s, 90s, way before.

00:06:09.660 Yes.

00:06:09.880 I think we're looking at 80s on that.

00:06:11.660 Okay.

00:06:11.980 Um, I want to say this about this case that I, 90, August, 1990, August, 1990, August,

00:06:17.240 1990, or on the border there.

00:06:18.780 Yeah.

00:06:19.060 Border of the 80s and 90s.

00:06:20.380 Well, one thing I want to say about this case is that if not for modern technology,

00:06:24.280 they would not have found this guy.

00:06:26.020 Um, there's a reason why serial killers went crazy from the sixties all the way up until

00:06:30.680 the nineties with, you know, the use of the, you know, the wide stream use of, uh, DNA

00:06:35.360 evidence, you know, being able to get phone location, et cetera.

00:06:38.380 They caught this guy off of DNA, phone location data, and surveillance cameras.

00:06:43.520 Those are the three main pieces of evidence, which we're going to go over in this affidavit.

00:06:47.120 But, um, before we get anything before you, you got anything to say before we get into

00:06:50.620 it?

00:06:51.040 Let's just get into it guys.

00:06:52.100 This one is going to be, this one's going to be huge.

00:06:53.860 It's going to be covered.

00:06:54.620 Let's just get into it, man.

00:06:56.000 Okay.

00:06:56.300 So I'm going to move this over here.

00:06:58.280 All right.

00:06:58.520 As you guys know, uh, I got a whole bunch of tabs for y'all open.

00:07:02.460 Uh, that's how I do it.

00:07:03.740 So first we're going to talk about where is Moscow, Idaho guys.

00:07:08.720 Okay.

00:07:09.000 This is where the murder took place.

00:07:10.240 As y'all can see, we are talking about rural America over here.

00:07:13.900 All right.

00:07:14.700 Uh, right on the border of Washington state.

00:07:17.440 Cause I got a lot of international viewers.

00:07:19.020 You guys kind of understand a lot of people think, Oh, United States, New York city.

00:07:22.260 No guys, it's much bigger than that.

00:07:23.660 So you go over to Idaho, right?

00:07:25.480 And this is where the murder occurred right here.

00:07:28.820 Moscow, not Moscow, Russia, but Moscow, Idaho.

00:07:31.160 And yes, I did not know this place existed prior to this murder either.

00:07:34.300 Okay.

00:07:34.740 Moscow is a city in North central Idaho, United States located along the state border with

00:07:38.180 Washington.

00:07:38.480 It had a population of 25,435 at the 2020 census, the County seat and the largest city of Latah

00:07:44.640 County.

00:07:45.080 Moscow is the home of the university of Idaho, the state land grant institution and primary

00:07:49.780 research university, which here it is right here, guys, pretty big school.

00:07:53.100 I think the school has about a 10,000 students.

00:07:55.320 If I'm not mistaken, half the population of Moscow is students.

00:07:59.360 So this, this town is students.

00:08:02.100 It's like any college town, right?

00:08:03.380 So in Florida, I think of UF, I think Gainesville, cause that's my alma mater, but you can think

00:08:07.300 of a place like college station or anywhere else you got, that's got, you know, large student

00:08:11.760 population.

00:08:12.320 That's the primary population of that town, college town.

00:08:14.840 Yeah.

00:08:15.480 And I will say this too, because for all my international viewers that might not be aware

00:08:19.320 in the United States, when you have a big university, let's say you got a university of Connecticut,

00:08:22.600 right?

00:08:22.920 You got a Texas longhorns, et cetera.

00:08:25.880 Typically these big schools that have 10, 20, 30, all the way up to 50, 60,000 students,

00:08:31.140 they're typically in a rural town somewhere outside of a major city.

00:08:34.720 And that town is run by the college.

00:08:37.740 That town's entire economy is dependent upon that college nine out of 10 times.

00:08:41.500 Okay.

00:08:42.100 Especially the big universities.

00:08:43.420 So I'm not surprised that this school, right?

00:08:45.740 By Idaho standards, this is a big school and this is a big town.

00:08:48.380 Okay.

00:08:49.740 So yeah, half the population guys, you guys can see here is students.

00:08:53.220 All right.

00:08:53.500 But basically here's the university of Idaho.

00:08:55.260 Give you guys a quick little overview of audit.

00:08:57.340 University of Idaho is a public land grant research university in Moscow.

00:09:00.740 Idaho is the state's land grant and primary research university and lead university

00:09:04.640 in the Idaho space grant consultorium university of Idaho was a state's sole university for

00:09:09.520 71 years until 1963.

00:09:11.300 It's college of law established in 1909 was first accredited by the American bar association

00:09:15.700 nine 25.

00:09:16.420 So basically guys, this school is the main state school for, uh, for Idaho.

00:09:21.820 And this is how it goes in the United States.

00:09:23.320 Typically every state has a big state university of some kind in Connecticut, it's UConn, you

00:09:27.520 know, in Massachusetts, the university of Massachusetts, UMass Amherst, you know, in Florida, what

00:09:31.780 would you say?

00:09:32.100 University of Florida.

00:09:33.140 Yeah.

00:09:33.500 University of Florida.

00:09:34.140 That'd be university of Florida, not to be confused with, yeah, maybe there's like,

00:09:39.060 maybe UCF eyes for it close to, but I mean, university of Florida, I'd say, especially college

00:09:42.840 town, we think of college towns, right?

00:09:44.480 Yeah.

00:09:44.840 That's, that's exactly what you think of.

00:09:46.520 I went, you know, UNC, my other alma mater up in North Carolina, Chapel Hill, primarily

00:09:50.440 college town.

00:09:51.260 So these are places that, you know, once again, they're made up by their transient student 1.00

00:09:55.060 population.

00:09:56.180 And the problem is, is that you cannot have a huge police force in a place that has a transient 0.98

00:10:02.400 student population.

00:10:03.360 You don't have a lot of officers to hire there.

00:10:05.500 You don't have normal working people.

00:10:07.280 Those people are mostly transient.

00:10:08.920 They're not sticking around.

00:10:10.540 And whether, and I know the chat's like, it's, it's Moscow.

00:10:13.860 And I'm like, okay, however you pronounce it, Moscow, Moscow, whatever.

00:10:17.320 They're not sticking around in your small town.

00:10:19.100 Right?

00:10:19.320 Yeah.

00:10:21.480 Anyway.

00:10:22.100 So yeah, guys, now it's Moscow in Idaho.

00:10:24.480 All right, guys.

00:10:25.000 Either way.

00:10:25.780 So now we know where it's located and we know the university.

00:10:28.440 Now we're going to go ahead and get into what happened when the news first broke.

00:10:32.680 Okay.

00:10:32.920 Back up.

00:10:34.180 As you guys can see, this video came out November 14, 2022.

00:10:37.700 The murders occurred on November 13th.

00:10:39.300 The reason why I want to play the video from when this first occurred is so you guys can kind

00:10:43.220 of get the idea, right, of the, of the atmosphere and the temperature of the nation at when this

00:10:49.520 stuff was broken out, because this is, this isn't something that happens common guys.

00:10:52.420 I mean, some crazy killer breaking into a house and killing college students.

00:10:56.480 I mean, they haven't seen this since like Ted Bundy and the Roland murders.

00:10:59.400 Right?

00:10:59.700 So anytime this happens, it's going to put everyone on high alert.

00:11:02.940 Right?

00:11:04.560 I'm going to play this video and you guys are going to also see who the victims are.

00:11:08.360 And I'll show you guys real fast who they are right here.

00:11:12.160 And then we'll play this video.

00:11:13.220 As you guys can see, Ethan Chapman, 20 years old from Mount Vernon, Washington.

00:11:16.640 Kaylee Goncalves, 21 from Wraith Drum, Idaho.

00:11:21.100 Zana Kurnadil, excuse me, 20 years old, Post Falls, Idaho.

00:11:26.120 Madison Mogan, 21.

00:11:28.100 Okay.

00:11:29.240 Kazor D'Aline, Idaho.

00:11:31.880 So, you know, rest a piece of them guys.

00:11:35.620 And we're going to go ahead and play this video and then we'll go ahead and get into how

00:11:38.860 they identified this individual.

00:11:40.740 Four students from the University of Idaho are dead, but very little is known other than

00:11:45.600 it is being investigated as a homicide.

00:11:48.100 We have reached out multiple times to Moscow police.

00:11:51.700 They are saying very little to our reporters on the scene and our newsroom.

00:11:55.640 Which is actually really good that they barely talked to the press.

00:11:59.740 You don't see this a lot with small police departments that don't have experience like

00:12:02.860 that.

00:12:03.700 It was fantastic that they kept a lot of things to their chest.

00:12:06.220 Go ahead.

00:12:06.420 Sorry.

00:12:06.540 I will say this.

00:12:07.960 They kept some things to their chest because there's a gag order. 0.88

00:12:11.400 So the court did put out a gag order saying, do not talk to people.

00:12:15.300 I will say that there were some comments that should not have been made early, early, early

00:12:20.780 on about the culpability of Mr. Koberger because that can be potentially prejudicial, potentially

00:12:28.820 problematic, used against them in the future.

00:12:30.600 If they're making those statements before they've really processed this guy and, you

00:12:35.980 know, given him an appearance.

00:12:37.060 Okay.

00:12:37.880 Nice.

00:12:38.260 Good point.

00:12:39.000 And Brian Koberger, guys, is the suspect.

00:12:41.400 He's the suspect, the prime and only suspect in this case.

00:12:44.340 We have heard rumors about how these students were killed, but here's what we know for sure

00:12:50.260 tonight.

00:12:50.800 Police received a call around noon on Sunday about an unconscious person.

00:12:55.260 And when officers arrived at the home on King Road, they found the bodies of Ethan Chappin,

00:13:00.960 Madison Mojan, Zana Kurnodal, and Kaylee Gong Caves.

00:13:06.020 Investigators say there's no active threat in the community.

00:13:08.860 No word yet on how the students were killed or if the victims might have known their attacker.

00:13:13.400 We currently have three crews in Moscow searching for answers, and we will update you when we

00:13:17.760 learn more.

00:13:18.820 There's still a lot we don't know about the University of Idaho homicide that took the lives

00:13:22.780 of those four students yesterday.

00:13:24.420 Emily Blum explains what we know about the students so far.

00:13:27.520 Emily.

00:13:28.000 Yeah, we're starting to learn more about the four students who lost their life yesterday.

00:13:32.300 They all grew up in North Idaho, Coeur d'Alene, Post Falls, Rathdrum, and Priest Lake.

00:13:37.220 And the four students, clearly very close friends.

00:13:42.540 Kaylee Gong Caves was a 21-year-old senior from Rathdrum who graduated from Lake City High,

00:13:48.340 majoring in General Studies in the College of Letters, Arts, and Social Sciences.

00:13:52.400 The second victim and Lake City High graduate, Madison Mojan, was 21 years old.

00:13:57.980 She was a senior from Coeur d'Alene also, majoring in marketing and in the College of Business

00:14:02.480 and Economics.

00:14:03.940 These two lifelong childhood friends.

00:14:07.380 Coeur d'Alene schools put out a statement today, reading in part,

00:14:10.200 The loss of our graduates, Kaylee and Madison, is heartbreaking.

00:14:14.740 We joined the University of Idaho in mourning the tragic loss of all four students.

00:14:20.360 Ethan Chapman was a 20-year-old freshman, a member of the Sigma Chi fraternity.

00:14:25.480 He was majoring in recreation, sport, and tourism management in the College of Education, Health,

00:14:31.120 and Human Sciences.

00:14:32.980 Originally from Mount Vernon, Washington, growing up, his family spent time at Priest Lake.

00:14:38.860 Zanna Kurnodal, a 20-year-old junior from Post Falls, was majoring in marketing in the College

00:14:43.760 of Business and Economics and a member of the Pi Beta Phi sorority.

00:14:48.280 Zanna posted a photo to social media.

00:14:50.440 All right, so this photo has the four victims and two of the witnesses.

00:14:54.440 And the two roommates, right?

00:14:55.660 And these are the ones that survived, right?

00:14:57.400 So the witnesses are the survivors.

00:14:58.620 Hold on.

00:14:58.960 I got that photo for y'all because-

00:15:00.600 Unedited.

00:15:01.620 Unedited.

00:15:02.180 It's out there.

00:15:02.640 This is them right here, guys.

00:15:03.700 So this is the actual photo of all of them.

00:15:07.360 And if I'm not mistaken, this is who on the right?

00:15:09.620 Again, this is Dylan.

00:15:10.580 This is Dylan.

00:15:11.380 Yes.

00:15:12.020 Dylan Mortensen, I think her last name is.

00:15:14.700 Yes.

00:15:15.020 So she's going to show up in the affidavit as DM. 0.98

00:15:17.980 Yes.

00:15:18.260 DM.

00:15:18.480 And then this is, what's her name again?

00:15:21.520 Bethany.

00:15:22.220 I forget the last name.

00:15:25.200 But they're going to use her initials and affidavit too.

00:15:27.420 So make a note, guys.

00:15:28.640 So again, these are the four victims that were killed.

00:15:30.500 Rest in peace to them.

00:15:31.300 And then these are the two surviving victims, which we're going to talk about their involvement

00:15:36.020 in this case.

00:15:38.680 But yeah, but they tried to blur them out, I guess, for privacy since they survived.

00:15:43.160 But I mean, come on, it's the internet.

00:15:45.040 Yeah.

00:15:45.300 No, and here's the thing.

00:15:46.280 You put this on Instagram, right?

00:15:47.920 Guys, when you put stuff on Instagram, that is public record.

00:15:51.420 Yep.

00:15:51.640 A lot of these hoes don't know this, especially the 304s. 1.00

00:15:54.080 They're out there posting stuff that is literally usable in court.

00:15:57.380 If you put something on Facebook and it is public, you put something on Instagram and it's public,

00:16:01.940 guess what?

00:16:02.860 They can use that in court.

00:16:03.860 Even if you delete it afterwards, they can use that.

00:16:05.980 Because at one point, you put it out there to the world.

00:16:08.520 You put it out there to the public.

00:16:09.700 They can just admit that as evidence. 0.99

00:16:11.680 You're kind of screwed. 0.83

00:16:12.260 So be very careful with your social media posts because they can and will be used against 0.97

00:16:16.860 you in a court of law.

00:16:18.320 Yeah.

00:16:18.520 No expectation of privacy is what they assume once you post it on the internet.

00:16:22.780 Exactly.

00:16:24.260 Just two weeks ago, wishing Ethan a happy birthday.

00:16:27.540 A caption including, life is so much better with you in it.

00:16:31.300 Love you.

00:16:32.480 Mad Greek, a restaurant in the heart of downtown Moscow, shared this tweet today.

00:16:37.320 So as y'all can see, right, you know, these were four students, right?

00:16:40.620 Innocent people.

00:16:41.760 Rest in peace to them, man.

00:16:42.840 And I'm glad that they did this, humanizing the victims, because this is something that

00:16:45.820 we don't do often.

00:16:46.600 A lot of the times they, you know, they want to go ahead and, you know, you know, prop

00:16:51.040 up the killer, like, oh, my God, look at this or whatever.

00:16:53.340 So it's good that they were able to humanize the victims and let y'all know that, yo, these

00:16:57.840 are people that had lives, regular people that had jobs, families, people that love them.

00:17:02.300 And I think that's important because, you know, we live in a very true crime, sensationalized

00:17:06.780 world where it's like, oh, yeah, let's just go ahead and pedestalize the murderer.

00:17:11.980 So, yeah.

00:17:13.480 Anyway, so, okay.

00:17:14.660 So now that we know who the victims are, and again, just for some of you guys that are

00:17:18.340 joining, because I see that we're over 1,200 now in here.

00:17:20.900 Here are the four victims, guys, as a reminder, just get these faces in your head as, because

00:17:25.760 we're going to be referring to them in the affidavit quite a bit.

00:17:28.060 It's Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Goncaves, Zana Curnado, Madison Mogan.

00:17:33.240 And if I'm not mistaken, Zana and Ethan are in a relationship.

00:17:37.100 Okay, guys?

00:17:37.360 Yes, they were dating.

00:17:37.940 They were dating.

00:17:38.480 They were in a relationship and Ethan does not live at this house.

00:17:43.260 It's Zana that lives at the house and he was just visiting.

00:17:45.720 So, you know, just bad timing, I guess.

00:17:49.120 All right.

00:17:49.360 Okay.

00:17:50.640 All right.

00:17:51.220 Cool.

00:17:51.500 So now that we did that, so they identified who the guy was.

00:17:57.440 So we're going to go into the detail of how they identified this guy here in a little

00:18:00.200 bit, but they ended up identifying and bringing him back to Idaho.

00:18:04.440 So we're going to run this clip real quick for y'all and then go over the court documents

00:18:07.200 that led to his arrest.

00:18:08.400 Okay.

00:18:08.640 And this was on December 29th, if I'm not mistaken.

00:18:13.060 Berger touching down after a cross-country extradition flight and turned over to a convoy

00:18:21.560 of heavily armed local law enforcement, ready to serve him with an arrest warrant for the

00:18:26.220 first-degree murders of four University of Idaho students, Kaylee Gonzalez, Maddie Mogan,

00:18:31.620 Zana Karnodal, and Ethan Chapin.

00:18:34.020 Overnight, authorities releasing these new mugshots of the suspect who is now being held

00:18:37.840 at the Lataw County Jail in Moscow, the city where the victims were found stabbed to death

00:18:42.520 on November 13th.

00:18:44.020 Next, he's expected to make an initial appearance in court where the judge will explain his rights

00:18:49.080 and the charges against him.

00:18:50.620 Kohlberger was arrested in an early morning raid at his parents' home in eastern Pennsylvania

00:18:55.160 last Friday and agreed to be extradited to Idaho in a hearing on Tuesday.

00:18:59.660 His attorney in Pennsylvania said,

00:19:01.060 Yeah, so guys, when you get arrested in another jurisdiction, right, and when you're arrested

00:19:06.740 in another jurisdiction and they have an arrest warrant for you somewhere else that they're

00:19:10.640 trying to bring you to, you have the right to fight being extradited to that other place.

00:19:14.560 But in his case, right, and this guy's a PhD, criminology major, by the way, he said,

00:19:19.420 You know what?

00:19:20.000 I'm going to get exonerated.

00:19:21.380 I'm not going to fight this.

00:19:22.300 I just want this process to be as expedited as possible.

00:19:24.380 So he waived the extradition hearing and was, you know, immediately flown to Idaho.

00:19:29.220 And here's one more fact, Myron, is that for the extradition hearing, all they have to

00:19:32.900 present to the other state is that they have a valid warrant for your arrest.

00:19:37.020 They don't actually have to give the affidavit, the criminal affidavit.

00:19:40.000 So before Brian Kohlberger came back to Idaho, he did not have, and his attorney, his public

00:19:47.140 defender, would not have the information on what he's charged with.

00:19:50.120 He cannot even look at the evidence.

00:19:51.800 So he cannot see that until he's extradited.

00:19:54.300 And he knows he's going to be extradited.

00:19:55.980 If you look at the history on extradition, almost nobody wins, you know, a defensive

00:20:00.700 extradition hearing.

00:20:02.420 That's not something that within the United States, one state being extradited to another

00:20:07.060 state, that doesn't happen.

00:20:08.840 Where it happens is internationally, in between countries.

00:20:12.680 Yes, you can sometimes fight that.

00:20:14.880 For example, let's look at, you know, Assange holding up in Britain, right?

00:20:19.500 He was able to fight that for years.

00:20:20.900 Snowden, you know, ended up getting citizenship in Russia.

00:20:23.420 So that's a situation where, yeah, you can do it if it's another country, but another

00:20:27.320 state, 99, no, sorry.

00:20:30.380 I would say, you know, out of a thousand, you know, 999 times they're going to extradite

00:20:34.000 you unless there's something rare.

00:20:35.380 And it's a very, very political crime where maybe there's a huge political, you know,

00:20:39.560 imbalance between two states.

00:20:41.380 Maybe they wouldn't do it there, but most of the time they're going to extradite you.

00:20:44.200 So it benefited him to not, not fight it and to get back, get the evidence and prepare

00:20:48.480 him for his actual trial.

00:20:49.900 But the other, the other circumstance where they won't extradite you is if the state doesn't

00:20:54.080 want to pay.

00:20:54.660 So a lot of the times, right?

00:20:55.540 Some states will, let's say you're wanted for like, it's, yeah, I know some states are

00:20:58.720 like broke, right?

00:20:59.440 So it depends on the crime.

00:21:00.720 Let's say you're wanted for, I don't know, larceny, right?

00:21:03.740 And then they catch you in, you know, Texas.

00:21:07.560 Well, it's going to be expensive for, let's say a random police department in Connecticut

00:21:11.720 to fly down to Texas, pick you up and drive you all the way back or fly you all the

00:21:16.120 way back to Connecticut.

00:21:17.440 So they might say, you know, so let's say it's a trooper stops you in Texas and they

00:21:21.440 find that you got a warrant out in Connecticut.

00:21:22.800 They're going to call the agency that wants you, right?

00:21:25.700 They're going to check you on NCIC, right?

00:21:28.260 National Crime Information Center, whatever it may be, what the acronym is exactly.

00:21:32.980 But it's an interstate database that's run by the FBI that keeps and lodges all, you

00:21:37.860 know, warrants, et cetera.

00:21:38.880 Anytime you get pulled over by the police, they're running your plate through something

00:21:41.560 called endlets.

00:21:42.220 And then they're also running you through something called NCIC to see if you got a warrant.

00:21:44.960 Okay.

00:21:45.160 They see that you have a warrant in another state.

00:21:48.340 They're going to contact that state and hold you there until that state lets them know if

00:21:53.000 they are willing to actually come and pick that guy up.

00:21:56.480 If they're willing to come pick that guy up, they will go ahead and arrest that individual

00:22:00.440 or sometimes they'll just arrest the individual because he has a warrant, bring him back to

00:22:03.520 the station and see and then call the state there or the originating agency then and say,

00:22:07.600 do you guys want him?

00:22:08.520 If they say no, then they release him because at that point it's like, okay, they don't want

00:22:12.320 to do anything, but nine out of 10 times it's because the state doesn't have the money or

00:22:15.340 they don't have the time or resources to go get the guy because the charge isn't worth

00:22:18.140 it.

00:22:18.740 Obviously a case of this magnitude, right?

00:22:21.820 Four murders, burglary, national coverage.

00:22:25.400 Moscow PD is going to come up with the money somehow to go get this guy.

00:22:28.240 And on top of that, they had the FBI helping them.

00:22:29.920 So that also is a huge because they don't necessarily have to pay, right?

00:22:34.820 Sometimes to bring the individual over because they had other agencies assisting.

00:22:38.440 So that's the beauty of working with different police and law enforcement agencies, especially

00:22:42.100 federal, where they're able to do a lot of things for you.

00:22:44.340 We're going to talk about the FBI's involvement in this investigation, how it's critical to

00:22:47.740 Moscow PD, a small PD, by the way, being able to find, identify and apprehend this guy

00:22:53.160 and get him extradited over to Idaho.

00:22:56.020 And then as you guys can see, he's wearing a bulletproof vest here and they gave him a

00:22:58.980 bulletproof helmet as well.

00:23:00.060 So that should tell you guys, you know, this case obviously is national news. 0.98

00:23:03.900 A lot of people want to kill this guy.

00:23:05.680 There's people that, and I will say this guys, you know, and I want to say it's upfront is

00:23:09.840 that I do believe everybody deserves their day in court, you know, from the beginning

00:23:13.060 of this country and our constitution, our founding fathers literally, literally defended

00:23:17.880 the British soldiers in the Boston massacre.

00:23:20.000 So everybody deserves to go to court.

00:23:22.080 We do need to get out of the court of public opinion where we're saying this guy

00:23:25.020 is 500% guilty before he's even gone to trial.

00:23:28.420 And this guy deserves to go to trial.

00:23:30.320 Now, if he's proven guilty of trial, throw him away, right?

00:23:33.380 Lock away the key.

00:23:34.460 But he deserves that new process and to be able to present a defense to all these crimes.

00:23:40.160 But yet people are willing to put a bullet in you the second that things are pointed

00:23:44.680 at you, second the fingers pointed at you.

00:23:46.460 And by the way, that's just as true of this guy as for Andrew Tate, right?

00:23:49.700 People are willing to convict him the same way.

00:23:51.820 So if we're going to say that we need to do process for Tate, we need to do process for

00:23:54.940 everybody.

00:23:55.720 Yeah.

00:23:55.940 It's got to go all the way around, you know, all the way around.

00:23:58.300 All sides, guys.

00:23:59.060 Consistent.

00:24:00.100 Okay.

00:24:00.700 Let's keep going.

00:24:01.900 Kohlberger intends to plead not guilty.

00:24:04.040 He believes he's going to be exonerated.

00:24:06.780 Body cam footage from one of...

00:24:08.020 And just so you guys know, it's common practice to always plead not guilty at your initial...

00:24:12.680 Well, you can't plead at your initial appearance, but at your arraignment, you know what I mean?

00:24:15.500 It's typically that's posturing from the defense to try to negotiate, you know, better terms

00:24:19.680 should they plead guilty?

00:24:20.640 Because think about it.

00:24:21.120 If you're going to say, okay, yeah, we'll just take the first...

00:24:23.220 We'll just plead guilty.

00:24:23.900 It's like, no, no, no.

00:24:24.860 You know, the defense a lot of times is trying to position themselves to get a plea agreement,

00:24:29.340 right?

00:24:29.480 Or a plea deal.

00:24:30.680 That's how most cases in the United States are, you know, solved is typically through a plea agreement

00:24:35.180 to some degree.

00:24:35.820 So they're always going to plead guilty...

00:24:38.860 Sorry, plead not guilty at the arraignment.

00:24:40.500 Nine out of ten times.

00:24:42.720 Two traffic stops in Indiana in mid-December show Kohlberger and his father driving his

00:24:47.300 white Hyundai Elantra from his apartment at Washington State University to the family's

00:24:51.580 home in Pennsylvania.

00:24:52.760 Holy, that's a far distance, guys.

00:24:54.540 And just so y'all know, right?

00:24:56.180 Here's what it is mapped out.

00:24:57.960 It's 219 hours, 2,640 miles, all right?

00:25:02.800 Which is, you know, cross-country.

00:25:04.440 Went all the way from Washington State, essentially, to Pennsylvania on the other side.

00:25:09.760 So, just so you guys have a better idea.

00:25:13.280 That is where his family lives, though.

00:25:14.800 So, just to be clear, that is where his family lives in Pennsylvania.

00:25:18.240 Yes, Albridesville.

00:25:19.200 Exactly.

00:25:20.480 By NBC affiliate KTVB, Kohlberger applied to transfer the title of that same car from Pennsylvania

00:25:26.080 to Washington just five days after the murders and had new Washington license plates when

00:25:31.000 he was pulled over.

00:25:32.620 This is an important fact, right?

00:25:35.040 Yeah, it is a very important fact.

00:25:36.400 Because it's based on the visibility.

00:25:38.080 Because certain states require front and back license plates.

00:25:41.720 Yes.

00:25:41.920 And Pennsylvania does not.

00:25:43.280 They just require a back license plate, which is a super important fact for this case.

00:25:46.660 Yes.

00:25:48.540 It can be heard telling the officer about an incident involving a SWAT team at Washington State

00:25:53.380 University.

00:25:54.400 What did you say about some SWAT team thing?

00:25:56.260 Yeah, there was a mass shooting and everything.

00:25:58.480 That incident had no apparent connection to the murders in Idaho.

00:26:01.180 So, he was a PhD student, guys, at Washington State University.

00:26:05.320 Just to let you guys know how close that school is, here it is, okay?

00:26:10.660 This is where the murder occurred, 1122 King Road.

00:26:14.000 And then this is the SEPTO apartments, which is on campus at WSU.

00:26:17.600 We're talking 10.8 miles.

00:26:20.600 Extremely close, guys.

00:26:22.340 15-minute drive.

00:26:23.380 All right?

00:26:28.540 Idaho a month earlier.

00:26:30.240 Now the quest for justice begins to play out in the Latow County courts with victims,

00:26:34.140 families, and loved ones anxious for answers.

00:26:37.120 Yeah, indeed.

00:26:37.540 Those answers hopefully will come soon, Gotti.

00:26:39.600 All right.

00:26:39.940 So, now we're going to start getting into some of the court documents here, guys,

00:26:43.100 to break this down for you all.

00:26:44.480 So, as you guys can see, this is the official website here where you can get all the court

00:26:49.380 documents, which, you know, shout out to the state of Idaho.

00:26:51.260 I'm going to give them a Don DeMarco.

00:26:52.340 So, this is available.

00:26:54.480 This is nice.

00:26:55.580 This is very nice.

00:26:56.780 This is something similar to what they did with the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard case.

00:26:59.600 I really appreciate it because it lets everybody get the information without you flooding them

00:27:04.020 for the requests.

00:27:05.180 Yeah.

00:27:05.320 So, yeah, this was very smart for them to do this.

00:27:08.400 I've seen a couple of states do this, but typically this is why I hate state cases because it's

00:27:12.000 very difficult to get court documents and why I like the Fed system better.

00:27:15.360 But, yeah, shout out to Idaho for doing this.

00:27:18.220 And then, oh, one other thing I was going to say.

00:27:19.700 In the federal system, they have something called an identity hearing, which if you're

00:27:22.380 arrested, right, by, let's say, you know, federally in another jurisdiction, let's say

00:27:27.860 the Southern District of Florida, which is down here in Miami, you know, wants a guy and

00:27:31.340 he's caught up in the Southern District of New York, right, which is in Manhattan area.

00:27:35.240 He can request if they call an identity hearing to make sure that, hey, do the Feds have the

00:27:38.720 right guy?

00:27:39.160 Is it the right John Smith that's wanted?

00:27:41.400 And then that's when the Fed, right, the agent that's involved in the case has to go on the

00:27:45.480 stand and testify.

00:27:47.140 Yes, I know it's him because, you know, fingerprint identification or whatever it may be.

00:27:51.120 I remember I had this happen to me when I had a guy.

00:27:54.500 I had an arrest warrant for a guy in Laredo, Texas, which is the Southern District of Texas,

00:27:57.680 but they arrested him in Travis County, Texas, which is right outside of Austin.

00:28:01.860 That falls into the Western District of Texas.

00:28:04.180 There's two different judicial districts federally in Texas.

00:28:06.900 So since he was caught in another district, right, same state, but a different judicial

00:28:11.560 district federally, he was entitled to something called an identity hearing.

00:28:15.360 And I had to drive up to Austin.

00:28:16.960 I'll never forget this.

00:28:17.900 And I was supposed to testify that, hey, this is the same guy that I have the arrest warrant

00:28:23.360 for because I have pictures.

00:28:24.580 I know who he is, et cetera.

00:28:26.160 I have his fingerprints, whatever.

00:28:27.300 He ended up waiving the hearing once I said I was going to show up because a lot of the

00:28:29.840 times what they'll do is they'll say, oh, no, we want the hearing.

00:28:31.800 Like, then they say, OK, well, they're just going to drive from where the hell they're

00:28:34.680 at.

00:28:34.860 Are they going to fly in to testify?

00:28:36.140 Oh, and everybody, we waive the hearing.

00:28:37.840 So that happens as well with extradition hearings where there could be something called identity

00:28:43.100 hearing.

00:28:44.020 All right.

00:28:45.160 Cool.

00:28:45.760 So, you know, guys, like the video because you guys are not going to get this level of

00:28:48.780 information anywhere else on the Internet.

00:28:50.140 You ain't going to have a former Fed and a lawyer breaking down cases, tag teaming it for

00:28:53.840 y'all.

00:28:54.480 So, yeah, here's the probable cause order.

00:28:57.580 OK, guys, so here are the charges that he's officially looking at.

00:28:59.800 As you guys can see here, these are the state statutes here.

00:29:02.300 Let me enlarge it for y'all real fast.

00:29:04.020 OK, this is a state statute, 181401, which is burglary and then 184001 and then 400020304.

00:29:12.300 But this is the four counts of murder in the first degree.

00:29:15.220 OK, and typically in the United States, guys, when you get charged with something like murder

00:29:18.580 in the first degree, that means there was some type of premeditation and or planning

00:29:22.860 to commit the murder, which is the highest offense.

00:29:25.180 And a lot of states carry either a life sentence or the death penalty for this.

00:29:29.940 Yes.

00:29:30.440 And they do have the death penalty in Idaho.

00:29:31.920 They do not use it as often because there aren't that many murders in Idaho.

00:29:34.980 Yeah.

00:29:35.360 But they do have it on the books.

00:29:37.200 It's lethal injection.

00:29:38.540 Yeah.

00:29:38.760 So basically they issued an arrest warrant on no bail.

00:29:42.000 Right.

00:29:42.260 Which is common for a murder one case.

00:29:45.000 And you guys can see here this was dated on December 29th, 2022 at 22 p.m.

00:29:51.660 And then this is a magistrate judge.

00:29:52.920 Right.

00:29:53.880 Who goes who went ahead and signed it and signed the probable cause hearing.

00:29:57.720 Now, here's the thing you guys got to understand.

00:29:59.160 This is all contingent upon something called an affidavit, which we're going to go over

00:30:03.500 in detail, which outlines all the evidence in the investigation that led to identifying

00:30:09.920 the defendant, who in this case is Brian Kohlberger.

00:30:12.420 You guys can see here born November 21st, 1994.

00:30:15.360 He has a Washington driver's license.

00:30:18.100 And this is, you know, what a probable cause statement looks like, which is a little bit

00:30:21.700 different.

00:30:22.200 The feds don't have this, but here is the federal.

00:30:25.300 Here's the state arrest warrant.

00:30:26.500 This is what a state arrest warrant look from Idaho looks like.

00:30:28.380 I know some of you guys like to look at this.

00:30:29.900 You guys can see here the case number, right?

00:30:31.980 Criminal 29, 22, and then 2805.

00:30:34.740 This is the actual case number here.

00:30:36.400 This is typically the court.

00:30:39.140 And then here's the fiscal year, 22.

00:30:40.640 22, and then warrant of arrest felony, Brian Kohlberger, defendant, here's his birthday.

00:30:46.160 They redacted the driver's license number.

00:30:48.280 And then to any law enforcement officer of the state of Idaho, information under oath

00:30:51.100 having been presented to me on December 29, 22, and they're appearing to be probable cause

00:30:55.980 to believe that the public offenses of, and then bam, they outline all the charges again.

00:30:59.900 And once again, there's a standard, just real quick.

00:31:01.500 The one important thing is probable cause.

00:31:03.240 So they arrest people on probable cause.

00:31:05.700 Probable cause does not mean reasonable doubt, right?

00:31:08.280 We don't have a high threshold.

00:31:09.400 There's a very, very low minimal threshold to get somebody, arrest somebody, and bring

00:31:13.940 them to trial.

00:31:15.100 Yes.

00:31:15.840 So yeah, probable cause, guys, is a much lower standard than beyond a reasonable doubt, okay?

00:31:20.420 Right.

00:31:21.300 So basically have been committed and accused.

00:31:23.640 Brian C. Kohlberger, thereof you are ordered to arrest and bring the defendant before the

00:31:27.480 court at 522 S. Adams Street, Moscow County of Latos State or of Idaho, or in the case

00:31:32.580 of my absence or inability to act if the defendant is arrested outside of this county before

00:31:36.580 the nearest available magistrate within the judicial district where the defendant is arrested.

00:31:40.520 So basically what this means, guys, is, yo, anyone can go pick this guy up.

00:31:44.860 They're saying a piece, a law enforcement officer of the state of Idaho, but obviously this applies

00:31:49.420 to all law enforcement officers, regardless of where they may be located in case the guy

00:31:52.920 isn't in the state, right?

00:31:55.100 And then no bail, right?

00:31:56.640 And then as you guys can see, the judge signed this as well.

00:31:58.940 Everything was signed at 2.22 PM.

00:32:00.400 This was probably brought in as a package and the judge signed everything at once, right?

00:32:04.920 And then, bam, here's the warrant of arrest.

00:32:06.760 And then any, this stuff that's redacted here is more than likely personal information,

00:32:10.100 personally identifiable information, P.I.

00:32:12.940 Because I know some people ask me, yo, Myron, what's this redacted stuff?

00:32:16.420 Nine out of 10 times when it's redacted, it's personally identifiable information.

00:32:20.820 So cool.

00:32:21.800 So we went over the charges.

00:32:23.660 We went over the arrest warrant, what it looks like.

00:32:25.720 Now we're going to go into the meat and potatoes of this thing.

00:32:28.940 Exhibit A.

00:32:29.640 Okay.

00:32:29.860 Here it is.

00:32:30.260 This is the affidavit.

00:32:31.520 This is where all the crazy, insane details are.

00:32:35.560 So strap in for this one, guys.

00:32:37.200 All right, guys.

00:32:38.000 So we're going to go ahead.

00:32:39.020 And what I have here, guys, is a bunch of different things to kind of paint a picture

00:32:43.240 for you guys on this affidavit.

00:32:45.220 We're going to read through it so that this all makes sense.

00:32:48.060 All right, guys.

00:32:48.440 So I need you guys to all write.

00:32:50.420 Stop what you're doing.

00:32:51.980 Pay attention.

00:32:53.260 All right.

00:32:53.520 Like the video.

00:32:54.600 Subscribe to Legal Mindset.

00:32:56.200 Subscribe to FEDA 1811.

00:32:58.160 And we're going to break this thing down.

00:32:59.580 You're going to have a former federal agent who's written hundreds of these, by the way.

00:33:02.280 And you're going to have a lawyer break this down for y'all.

00:33:05.560 I want to make this very clear for y'all.

00:33:07.120 This is not a federal case.

00:33:08.260 This is a state case.

00:33:09.640 Merck 1 is almost always prosecuted by the state.

00:33:13.100 But the state system is nearly identical to the federal system.

00:33:16.460 And an affidavit is typically written in support of getting an arrest warrant for an individual.

00:33:22.000 Okay?

00:33:22.920 All right.

00:33:23.440 Exhibit A, statement of Brett Payne.

00:33:26.200 You guys are probably wondering, who the hell is Brett Payne?

00:33:27.840 Brett Payne, guys, is the law enforcement officer who swore to this affidavit.

00:33:31.340 So, the below information is provided by Brett Payne, who is duly appointed, qualified, and acting peace officer within the county of Latos, state of Idaho.

00:33:39.320 Brett Payne is employed by the Moscow Police Department in the official capacity or position of corporal and has been a trained and qualified peace officer for approximately four years.

00:33:47.620 CPL Payne is being assisted by members of the Idaho State Police and agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, a.k.a. the FBI.

00:33:54.220 So, one thing that stands out to me, guys, when I read this was the affiant is not a detective.

00:34:00.160 Rather, it is a corporal, which a corporal, nine out of ten times in a police department, is going to be a uniformed officer.

00:34:06.340 So, as soon as I saw this, I said, okay, this is a very small police department because they don't even have a detective on board.

00:34:13.000 So, go ahead and be the affiant on this.

00:34:15.300 Typically, detectives or investigators are the ones that write up affidavits and conduct investigations.

00:34:20.820 But the fact that a corporal is doing it tells me that this police department is extremely limited.

00:34:25.260 Also, the fact that they got substantial, as we're going to read on to the affidavit, they got substantial assistance from the Idaho State Police and the FBI also shows that, you know, the police department is very small and is quite frankly limited.

00:34:39.000 This is a college town, guys.

00:34:40.100 They don't need, you know, a hundred man or a thousand, fifty thousand.

00:34:43.340 They don't have that.

00:34:45.160 They literally don't have that.

00:34:46.280 If you took their whole police force, I mean, you could fit them in, you know, in a large van.

00:34:51.340 I mean, it's going to be small because they don't need it.

00:34:54.680 Something crazy?

00:34:55.500 When they talk about the resources and what they have assigned to this, they have six detectives assigned to this case from Moscow.

00:35:01.920 And that's probably almost everybody.

00:35:03.640 They probably left one for everything else, right?

00:35:05.940 It's like six on this and one on everything else because the rest of their stuff, they're dealing with DUIs.

00:35:11.060 They're dealing with very, very, you know, people smoking pot. 0.99

00:35:13.860 I mean, very normal college shit. 1.00

00:35:16.620 Yeah. 0.99

00:35:16.980 Like this is one of those police departments where the guys wear a uniform on some days and then on other days they wear plain clothes and do like detective work.

00:35:25.220 But they're not like officially detectives.

00:35:27.560 You know what I mean?

00:35:28.040 This is one of those police departments where everyone has like three different jobs.

00:35:31.760 You got a guy that's a canine dude.

00:35:33.080 That's an investigator.

00:35:34.340 Like, yeah, they're all.

00:35:35.080 He's also the janitor.

00:35:36.520 You know what I mean?

00:35:37.020 Like, you know, he's doing 10 things, you know?

00:35:39.440 Yeah, I've worked with small police departments like this before, bro.

00:35:42.080 Very, very limited, okay?

00:35:43.840 So, and this place, just so y'all know, just for context, they haven't had a murder for about seven years in Moscow, Idaho.

00:35:49.780 So, this is how it happens.

00:35:52.660 This guy is charged with crimes which implicate the death penalty.

00:35:56.520 He can be charged with the death penalty.

00:35:57.700 So, his attorney has to be death penalty certified.

00:36:01.040 Because of that, they had to bring in an attorney from a different county.

00:36:05.440 This county does not have an attorney that can actually represent him.

00:36:10.400 The actual attorney has to be death penalty certified, has to have certain crimes they've covered.

00:36:15.400 Now, this attorney, death penalty certified, doesn't mean they've defended a death penalty case.

00:36:20.240 That means they've defended the types of crimes that are on the same seriousness level as this.

00:36:25.160 So, capital crimes, felonies, severe felonies.

00:36:28.720 So, they brought in one from out of county to defend them.

00:36:31.780 Okay. Awesome. Awesome.

00:36:33.720 That's a good thing for the people to know, just so they understand that this entire town is not equipped for this investigation.

00:36:40.840 And right now, he has a public defender.

00:36:44.840 He was labeled by the court as indigent.

00:36:47.960 That does not mean that word is also used.

00:36:49.940 Some people call homeless people indigents.

00:36:52.180 Yes, they are technically.

00:36:53.040 But in the words of the court, in the way the court looks at it, it's do you make under a certain amount of money, right?

00:36:58.620 Whatever they set that threshold, it might be $20,000, it might be $30,000.

00:37:02.500 If you make under that, you can qualify for a public defender, and that's the status of being indigent.

00:37:08.100 So, he counts as indigent.

00:37:09.820 Okay.

00:37:10.120 Because he's a full-time PhD student, so that makes perfect sense.

00:37:12.840 Where's his income?

00:37:13.900 I mean, his parents are giving him some money.

00:37:15.440 That's indigent.

00:37:15.800 Yeah.

00:37:16.340 He has nothing.

00:37:17.500 All right.

00:37:18.160 On November 13th, 2022, at approximately 4 p.m., right?

00:37:21.360 So, guys, police don't arrive on scene essentially until about 4 p.m., all right?

00:37:25.660 Moscow Police Department MPD, Sergeant Blaker, and I responded to 1122 King Road, Moscow, Idaho, here and after the King Road residence, okay?

00:37:33.680 This is where the murder occurred, guys.

00:37:34.920 And just to give you guys a visual, this is where the murder occurred right here, okay?

00:37:40.040 And I will go ahead and zoom in a bit so you guys get a better look at it.

00:37:44.180 As you guys can see, it's a three-story structure, three-story structure with multiple rooms in it.

00:37:51.360 Okay?

00:37:52.800 And if you try to put this address into Google Maps, it's actually blurred out, which is kind of lame.

00:37:57.160 All right?

00:37:57.500 Well, because, you know, people are all – people are all going –

00:37:59.860 Everyone is going – yeah, everyone is, like, Googling the hell out of it, all right?

00:38:03.040 Yeah.

00:38:04.600 Okay.

00:38:05.600 Idaho, here and referred to as the King Road residence, assists with scene security in processing of a crime scene associated with four homicides.

00:38:13.260 Upon arrival, the Idaho State Police forensic team was on scene and was preparing to begin processing the scene.

00:38:21.360 MPD officer Smith, one of the initial responding officers to the incident, advised he would talk me through the scene.

00:38:27.260 Okay.

00:38:27.720 So let me break this down for you real quick.

00:38:29.680 So as a small police department, they don't have the resources to properly canvas a murder scene like this, okay?

00:38:37.420 So the state police are coming in to assist.

00:38:39.800 I want to make this very clear.

00:38:40.920 Anytime you're doing a criminal investigation, there's always a lead agency, okay?

00:38:45.420 That lead agency, most of the time, is going to be the agency that has jurisdiction.

00:38:49.120 Jurisdiction is dependent upon location.

00:38:51.680 So in this case, since these crimes occurred in Moscow, Idaho, and there is a police department functioning there, they are going to take the lead.

00:39:00.960 Now, could they defer the lead to the state police if they wanted to?

00:39:04.220 Yes.

00:39:04.480 But obviously a case of this caliber, et cetera.

00:39:06.560 They're like, you know what?

00:39:07.340 No, we're going to take lead on it.

00:39:08.360 It happened in our backyard.

00:39:09.360 We're going to run it.

00:39:10.400 However, we are going to go ahead and get support from the state police.

00:39:13.600 This is very common all across the United States where the state police has a refined and very strong, you know, forensics teams, forensics team that can come in and process the scene for you, especially in places where, you know, you're looking at like an Idaho or Washington State, Vermont, et cetera.

00:39:31.820 State police almost always have strong forensic teams because small police departments don't have the capacity to do it on their own or a big sheriff's office will have it as well, depending on where you are.

00:39:42.660 Now, if you're looking at like a big city police department, of course, they're going to have their own forensics team and NYPD and LAPD, et cetera.

00:39:49.540 But unfortunately, most police departments don't have that luxury of having in-house forensics teams, guys, that can come in and process the murder.

00:39:56.060 So it's common where the state police are going to come in, provide assistance, but the main lead agency is going to be the agency in which where the crime actually occurred.

00:40:04.620 All right.

00:40:05.940 So they arrive on scene and the Idaho State Police is on the scene.

00:40:09.340 So they probably didn't want to start anything until the investigating officer that's going to take charge of the case arrives on scene.

00:40:15.380 So he probably got on scene and said, all right, guys, y'all can start processing it now because I'm here.

00:40:19.220 Right. Officer Smith and I entered the King Road residence through the bottom floor door on the north side of the building.

00:40:26.580 Officer Smith and I then walked upstairs to the second floor.

00:40:29.960 Officer Smith directed me down the hallway to the west bedroom of the second floor, which I later learned through Zana's driver's license and other personal belongings found in the room was Zana Kurnadil's here and after Kurnadil's room.

00:40:42.120 Just before this room, there was a bathroom door on the south wall of the hallway.

00:40:47.320 As I approached the room, I could see a body later identified as Kurnadil's laying on the floor.

00:40:52.260 Kurnadil was deceased with wounds which appeared to have been caused by an edged weapon.

00:40:56.640 And that means a knife, right?

00:40:58.020 So that's pretty much a knife.

00:40:59.840 He's not coming in there with a samurai sword.

00:41:01.360 They're not talking about a machete there.

00:41:03.180 The weapon here is likely a knife.

00:41:05.220 Now, I will go ahead and do this for you guys visually.

00:41:07.760 So they said they walked in and walked upstairs to the second floor.

00:41:10.800 Officer Smith directed me down the hallway to the west bedroom on the second floor.

00:41:13.940 So let's go ahead and do a visual here.

00:41:15.520 So let's enter this apartment, right?

00:41:17.760 Yep.

00:41:18.300 And here we are, guys.

00:41:19.840 Here is the home, okay?

00:41:21.600 So the police walk in and they go upstairs to the second floor, all right?

00:41:25.860 As they go to the second floor, they said they went to the west bedroom, which is going to be right here, if I'm not mistaken.

00:41:32.780 Bedroom 2B, all right?

00:41:35.180 And then this is where the murder occurred for Zana Curnado's bedroom, okay?

00:41:41.100 As you guys can see, this is Zana and Ethan were found in this room.

00:41:45.860 And that is these two individuals right here, again, for a visual for y'all.

00:41:50.400 Ethan and Zana, all right?

00:41:52.440 We're sleeping together, presumably, right?

00:41:55.340 Because this occurred in the late morning, in the early morning hours.

00:41:58.720 Yeah, it's really early in the morning.

00:42:00.760 It's 4 a.m., so they're probably in bed together, right?

00:42:03.980 That's her boyfriend, girlfriend.

00:42:05.820 You know, it's happening.

00:42:07.100 Yeah, and this is the part of the affidavit where you guys can see this.

00:42:09.720 But this is just a visual representation for y'all.

00:42:11.940 And this is where the bedroom is actually located, okay?

00:42:15.120 So I'm going to go ahead and show you guys.

00:42:17.140 So on the day of the murder, they could see there was –

00:42:19.740 they don't know if this is water or blood that was, you know, seeping down.

00:42:24.220 Let me enlarge this for y'all real fast.

00:42:26.640 And then this is the bedroom, right?

00:42:28.940 Right here.

00:42:30.200 And then this is where the bedroom is located in relation to the house, okay?

00:42:34.000 As y'all can see, where everyone –

00:42:36.260 while the press and the police were all parked,

00:42:38.080 her window actually faces this – out this way, okay?

00:42:41.580 And I'll go ahead and enlarge this for y'all.

00:42:43.580 And this is where her bedroom was, all right?

00:42:45.860 Her and Chapman, Chapman, all right?

00:42:48.740 And then this is an actual photo after the murder.

00:42:51.900 And they're not sure if this was blood seeping from, you know,

00:42:55.100 the water or from the blood.

00:42:57.340 But, you know, that's anybody's guess.

00:43:00.440 But the point is, is obviously anytime you have a knife murder,

00:43:03.640 it's going to be extremely violent, very bloody.

00:43:07.000 So that's where the – well, one of the murders occurred, right?

00:43:10.300 We don't know the order necessarily, right, in which he killed him yet.

00:43:13.840 It's – or at least the affidavit doesn't specify.

00:43:16.480 But that's where one of them is.

00:43:18.320 So also in the room was a male later identified as Ethan Chapman,

00:43:21.120 here and after Chapman.

00:43:22.540 Chapman was also deceased with wounds later determined.

00:43:24.960 Autopsy report provided by Spokane County Medical Examiner –

00:43:28.140 they've redacted their name, I don't know why –

00:43:29.940 dated December 15, 2022 to be caused by sharp force injuries.

00:43:34.440 I then followed Officer Smith upstairs to the third floor of the residence.

00:43:38.360 The third floor consisted of two bedrooms and one bathroom.

00:43:41.140 The bathroom on the west side of the floor was later determined to be

00:43:44.400 Kaylee Goncalves' here and after Goncalves' room.

00:43:48.180 I later learned from review of Officer Nunez' body camera,

00:43:51.240 there was a dog in the room when Moscow police officers initially responded.

00:43:55.300 The dog belonged to Goncalves and her ex-boyfriend, Jack DeCour.

00:44:00.760 I might have butchered the pronunciation.

00:44:03.780 Jack, by the way, there's a fact here.

00:44:06.340 Jack was the one – the boyfriend that was called multiple times.

00:44:09.140 So one of the facts of this case is that during the night,

00:44:12.260 the girls were calling Jack and trying –

00:44:14.820 and I think, you know, she was trying to get back with the wrecks.

00:44:17.040 I mean, come on, guys.

00:44:17.820 That's for – but she was calling repeatedly.

00:44:20.980 And so he was initially – a lot of people, Redditors, other people out there,

00:44:24.440 the internet sleuths thought he was the potential, you know,

00:44:27.760 potentially involved in this, but the police have cleared Jack of any wrongdoing.

00:44:31.300 Yeah.

00:44:32.700 I found out from my interview with Jack DeCour on November 13, 2022.

00:44:36.080 So they interviewed him that day.

00:44:37.400 Yes.

00:44:37.680 That he and Goncalves shared the dog.

00:44:39.640 Officer Smith then pointed out a small bathroom on the east side of the third floor.

00:44:43.360 This bathroom shared a wall with Madison Mogan's here and after Mogan's bedroom,

00:44:47.280 which was situated on the southeast corner of the third floor.

00:44:50.380 So let's go ahead and do a visual on this one, guys.

00:44:52.680 Right?

00:44:53.400 So he goes – so they go up to the third floor now,

00:44:56.120 and we're following the police's footsteps here.

00:44:58.460 Okay?

00:45:00.320 So now we're going to go up to the third floor.

00:45:05.740 And the third floor, right, you go up.

00:45:11.000 And they said – I think they said it was the west side bedroom.

00:45:14.040 So this one right here.

00:45:16.220 Right.

00:45:17.540 Okay?

00:45:17.900 And this bedroom here, guys, is where Goncalves was.

00:45:21.900 Goncalves was.

00:45:22.540 Confirmed this victim, gave you Kaylee Goncalves' bedroom.

00:45:25.860 Right?

00:45:26.260 So as you guys can see, this is from the affidavit that we read from before.

00:45:28.980 This, right, is where the dog was in the room during the murders.

00:45:33.740 Right?

00:45:34.020 The dog was all right, guys.

00:45:35.120 The dog was all right.

00:45:36.360 The dog was all right.

00:45:37.160 I know everybody's concerned about the dog.

00:45:37.960 So the dog was in the room as she was being murdered.

00:45:41.800 Okay?

00:45:42.060 And you guys are going to hear about this in a second in the affidavit.

00:45:44.580 Also, here's a picture of the bedroom.

00:45:47.640 Okay?

00:45:47.960 And she also had – this is the balcony view from her bedroom.

00:45:53.320 Yeah.

00:45:53.540 Right?

00:45:54.240 So this is where she was murdered.

00:45:58.800 As I entered this bedroom, I could see two females in the single bed in the room. 1.00

00:46:03.260 Okay.

00:46:03.860 So hold on.

00:46:04.280 My bad.

00:46:04.920 So this – we talked about Goncalves' room.

00:46:07.440 This bathroom was shared with Madison Mogan here and after Mogan's bedroom, which was situated on the southeast corner of the third floor.

00:46:13.440 As I entered this bedroom, I could see two females in the single bed in the room. 1.00

00:46:16.900 Both Goncalves and Mogan were deceased with visible stab wounds.

00:46:19.420 I also later noticed what appeared to a tan leather knife sheath laying on the bed next to Mogan's right side when viewed from the door.

00:46:27.360 Okay.

00:46:27.660 So both Mogan and Goncalves' guys were killed again.

00:46:32.780 And it's these two girls right here. 1.00

00:46:34.400 And so one of the facts was that there were phone records of them trying to call Jack, both trying to call him.

00:46:41.800 So they had a bunch of missed calls.

00:46:43.400 They went something like 13 missed calls or something.

00:46:45.940 And both of them were trying to call him late at night, calls from both their phones.

00:46:51.500 And also they were up, and I believe one of them was on TikTok.

00:46:55.240 So they were up fairly late, and that was confirmed by the phone records.

00:46:59.660 Yes.

00:47:00.480 So, yeah.

00:47:01.140 So just so you guys have a visual.

00:47:02.460 So we know that Zana and her boyfriend were killed down below on the second floor.

00:47:07.720 And then Kaylee, Goncalves, and Madison Mogan were killed on the third floor in what appears to be, I think, Goncalves' bedroom.

00:47:16.580 Okay.

00:47:16.840 Because they were both found in the same room, which is this one right here, guys.

00:47:21.580 Okay.

00:47:21.960 Yep.

00:47:22.140 So going back to the affidavit.

00:47:26.920 Okay.

00:47:27.440 As I answer this bedroom, I can see two females in a single bed. 1.00

00:47:30.140 Okay.

00:47:30.400 I also later noticed that what appeared to be a tan leather sheath, leather knife sheath laying on the bed next to Mogan's right side.

00:47:38.980 When viewed from the door, the sheath was later processed and had K-Bar United States Marine Corps and the United States Marine Corps Eagle Globe and anchor insignia stamped on the outside of it.

00:47:50.100 The Idaho State Lab later located a single source of male DNA suspect profile left on the bottom snap of the knife sheath.

00:47:58.960 So you guys might be wondering, hey, what the hell does one of these knife sheaths look like?

00:48:03.000 Let me pull a picture for y'all.

00:48:04.380 I got one if you need it real quick.

00:48:06.220 You got one?

00:48:06.660 Yeah.

00:48:06.760 Can you share?

00:48:07.480 Yeah.

00:48:07.800 Oh, wait. 1.00

00:48:08.320 No, shit. 1.00

00:48:08.740 That's not the shit. 1.00

00:48:09.700 Sorry about that. 0.98

00:48:11.480 Let me get this.

00:48:13.460 Here.

00:48:13.920 I'll just share my screen real quick.

00:48:15.720 Yeah.

00:48:15.860 Go share your screen.

00:48:16.680 I'll.

00:48:17.380 Yeah.

00:48:17.700 Just there you go.

00:48:18.240 It's just a nice picture of a K-Bar.

00:48:20.100 There you go, guys.

00:48:22.680 So, yeah, this is a K-Bar right here.

00:48:24.820 It's going to have the USMC Globe here. 0.98

00:48:26.580 This is a very, you know, this is a knife that is made for stabbing and killing people, right?

00:48:31.300 So this is something that is, you know, made by the U.S., you know, as U.S. Marine Corps intended to actually be used, you know, in combat and in situations that would involve stabbing people. 0.68

00:48:41.920 There's a snap here.

00:48:43.380 This is very important.

00:48:44.420 This is a leather case.

00:48:46.120 Now, we don't know whether this is the actual exact model, but I guarantee you, based on the description, that the snap is constructed the same way.

00:48:54.220 So in the sheath right here, U.S. Marine Corps logo, the stamp there, and the snap.

00:48:59.920 And we're going to talk about that snap because that snap may be the DNA evidence that seals this case.

00:49:07.000 Yep.

00:49:07.940 Yeah.

00:49:08.320 So that's so.

00:49:09.220 So, OK, so just a quick little review, because this is a very important piece of evidence here, guys.

00:49:13.480 I'm going to share this with y'all one more time.

00:49:14.920 Hold on.

00:49:15.120 Let me pull up this thing.

00:49:16.500 So, OK.

00:49:17.360 As you guys know, just to give you guys a visual, in this bedroom on the third floor, Kelly Gunacalvis' bedroom, she was here, right?

00:49:27.620 Kelly Gunacalvis, right here, with Madison Mogan.

00:49:31.400 They were in this bedroom together trying to call Gunacalvis' boyfriend, or ex-boyfriend, excuse me, Jack, right?

00:49:38.680 This girl.

00:49:39.520 And I guess they fell asleep together.

00:49:42.240 The killer walked in and killed both of them in this bedroom, and the dog was here, OK?

00:49:47.980 And also, we're going to get into another piece of evidence that was very important as well, as far as a neighbor's surveillance camera, OK?

00:49:53.720 That picked up some sounds.

00:49:55.340 So both of them were killed right here, and in this bedroom, a sheath was found, OK?

00:50:01.600 Here was the, do they have where the knife?

00:50:04.380 Right next to the body.

00:50:05.760 It was on the bed.

00:50:06.680 Yeah, it was right next to the body on the bed.

00:50:08.220 So once again, it's circumstantial, but that's a hell of a circumstance.

00:50:13.040 How did your knife sheath end up next to a dead body in a room that is in a different city than which you live?

00:50:21.860 It's close by, but how did it end up there?

00:50:23.640 Why was it there?

00:50:24.880 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:26.500 So they got this knife, right?

00:50:29.800 The Idaho State Lab later located a single source of male DNA suspect profile left on the button snap of the knife sheath, OK?

00:50:35.440 So that's very important.

00:50:36.360 As part of the ongoing, as part of the investigation, numerous interviews were conducted by Moscow Police Department officers, Idaho State Police detectives, and FBI agents.

00:50:45.440 Two of the interviews included BF and DM.

00:50:47.960 Again, you guys are probably wondering, who the hell are these girls?

00:50:50.260 That is these two women right here, OK? 0.88

00:50:54.120 Remember, guys, I told you all before, these are the two surviving victims of the home, and they give some pretty chilling details on what the hell happened, OK?

00:51:01.800 OK, so we're going to go with who they interviewed first.

00:51:05.900 I think they interviewed DM first, right?

00:51:08.140 Who is this girl? 0.99

00:51:09.540 This girl.

00:51:10.400 All right.

00:51:11.360 All right.

00:51:15.160 OK.

00:51:16.780 So BF and DM were inside the King Road residence at the time of the homicides and were roommates to the victims.

00:51:22.700 BF's bedroom was located on the east side of the first floor of the King Road residence.

00:51:27.020 So, OK, first floor, she was right here.

00:51:33.060 All right.

00:51:35.580 So you walk in this way.

00:51:37.320 Is it?

00:51:37.840 No, it's not this one.

00:51:39.620 Because I think this bedroom was empty at the time.

00:51:44.020 Yeah, this bedroom was vacant at the time of the murders.

00:51:45.880 My bad.

00:51:46.200 It's going to be this one, probably.

00:51:47.460 And I think that the dog was moved to the vacant bedroom.

00:51:50.800 Oh, yeah.

00:51:51.180 When they were doing the investigation, I think so.

00:51:53.400 Yeah.

00:51:53.620 Or was the dog barking?

00:51:54.600 No, no, no.

00:51:54.980 The dog, I think, was there when they were.

00:51:56.480 We'll go into it.

00:51:57.020 It's in the update.

00:51:57.720 It's in the update.

00:51:58.140 OK.

00:51:59.040 Is this it?

00:52:01.300 Yeah.

00:52:01.720 This is.

00:52:02.620 OK.

00:52:03.400 So this is her bedroom.

00:52:05.220 Yeah.

00:52:05.480 Bethany Funk's bedroom.

00:52:06.540 So this is BF right here, guys.

00:52:08.100 OK.

00:52:08.380 This is this girl's bedroom right here.

00:52:12.120 OK.

00:52:13.660 So now that you have a visual representation.

00:52:16.520 So the killer walks in right here and he goes right upstairs.

00:52:20.780 He doesn't even really spend any time on the first floor like that.

00:52:23.540 All right.

00:52:24.980 So because he was in the house for probably around 10 to 15 minutes from my estimate.

00:52:29.220 Well, the window they have put is between four and about four to four 20s, four 25.

00:52:34.740 Right.

00:52:35.180 But there's a there's there's a question.

00:52:37.340 Was he there before the door dash?

00:52:38.860 Was he inside the building before the door dash or not?

00:52:41.180 Yes.

00:52:41.600 That's that's a huge factor.

00:52:43.880 Also, more than likely.

00:52:44.820 My bad.

00:52:45.460 The killer probably came in through the second floor, not the first floor.

00:52:48.060 Sorry about that.

00:52:48.820 He came in through the second floor, guys.

00:52:49.960 So that would make sense why the people the why the girl on the first floor has didn't wasn't involved in this.

00:52:55.720 All right.

00:52:56.240 So anyway.

00:52:56.860 OK.

00:52:57.120 So the interview, the two witnesses that we just discussed.

00:52:58.740 Right.

00:52:59.820 Based on numerous interviews conducted by NPD officers, ISP detectives and FBI agents, as well as my review of evidence.

00:53:04.840 I have learned the following on the evening of November 12, 2022, Chapman and Curnado were seen by BF at the Sigma Chi House on the University of Idaho campus at 735 Nez Pierce Drive from approximately 9 p.m.

00:53:18.080 on November 12th to 145 a.m. on November 13th.

00:53:21.160 BF also estimated.

00:53:22.840 Remember, guys, this one is surviving with victims.

00:53:24.440 BF, Bethany Funk, also estimated that at approximately 145 a.m.

00:53:27.960 Chapman Chapman and Curnado returned to the King Road residence.

00:53:33.180 BF also stated that Chapman did not live in the King Road residences, but was a guest of Curnado, who is his his girlfriend.

00:53:41.680 Right.

00:53:42.000 Gunkavis and Mogan were at a local bar, the Corner Club, at 202 North Main Street in Moscow, in Moscow.

00:53:49.680 Gunkavis and Mogan can be seen on video footage provided by the Corner Club between 10 p.m. on November 12th and 1.30 a.m. on November 13th.

00:53:58.240 At approximately 1.30 a.m., Gunkavis and Mogan can be seen on video at a local food vendor called the Grub Truck at 318 South Main Street in downtown Moscow.

00:54:07.000 The Grub Truck live streams video from their food truck on the streaming platform Twitch, which is available for public viewing on their website.

00:54:15.180 This video was captured by law enforcement.

00:54:16.620 Let me say one thing about the Grub Hub food truck.

00:54:19.780 This is another big one for Reddit, like for one against the Internet, the Internet, you know, investigators here.

00:54:24.380 They saw a guy in a hoodie who looked a little sketchy, who I think he was trying to holler at one of them at the Grub Hub food truck.

00:54:31.560 I also saw people giving wild conspiracy theories that, you know, these people at the Grub Hub food truck are secretly shadowy figures, you know, following them.

00:54:40.020 They're getting drunk food at 1.30 a.m.

00:54:42.500 Like these are like drunk hoes getting food at 1.30 a.m. 1.00

00:54:45.200 And the guy was clearly to me when I watched the feed was trying to holler at them.

00:54:48.400 And he was investigated, cleared, and it was not him.

00:54:52.440 But that was a big theory early in this case.

00:54:54.980 And don't worry, I got the footage, too.

00:54:56.540 I got y'all.

00:54:57.580 A private party reported that he provided.

00:54:59.640 Oh, so it's available for public viewing on their website.

00:55:02.720 This video is captured by law enforcement.

00:55:04.160 A private party reported that he provided a ride to Gunkovas and Mogan at approximately 1.56 a.m.

00:55:09.000 from downtown Moscow in front of the Grub Hub truck to the King Road residence.

00:55:12.200 Okay, guys.

00:55:12.680 So here's this one.

00:55:13.880 And by the way, the ride was confirmed to be one of those campus kind of drunk buses.

00:55:18.760 They got those at a lot of big campuses.

00:55:20.360 You can call a ride late at night.

00:55:22.620 So it was like one of those.

00:55:23.700 You call a ride.

00:55:24.480 It's like a minivan that rolls up and grabs you and takes the drunk people home.

00:55:28.400 So it's, you know, it's actually everything you're supposed to do to be safe, right?

00:55:32.100 They were actually following the most safe procedures to get home when you're drunk.

00:55:36.060 They just weren't safe when they got once they got actually got home.

00:55:39.680 Yeah.

00:55:40.160 So here's footage, guys, from this from this truck.

00:55:43.740 Hold on.

00:55:44.360 I'm going to go ahead and unmute the thing.

00:55:47.480 My bad.

00:55:47.840 I think it's the tab is muted.

00:55:50.460 Oh, my bad.

00:55:51.380 This thing is muted.

00:55:52.320 All right.

00:55:53.100 This video from a Moscow food truck that's from early Sunday morning.

00:55:57.280 It shows two of the students, Kaylee and Matt.

00:56:00.260 There you go.

00:56:00.800 You see, I can see two of the victims right here, pretty much.

00:56:03.880 Patty ordering food around 1.40 a.m.

00:56:07.020 This is one of the last times they were seen.

00:56:09.920 Moscow police say this video is helping investigators recreate a timeline of events from that night.

00:56:15.680 And it has helped.

00:56:16.500 It gives us a time and space where we knew that two of our victims were.

00:56:23.120 And that helps us a ton.

00:56:24.240 And we'll continue to follow up all leads that we can.

00:56:26.720 The family of Kaylee Gonsalves have seen the video and agreed to let us publish it.

00:56:31.940 They identified Maddie Mogan wearing the long black jacket and Kaylee, who is with her, in the white sweatshirt.

00:56:38.380 Okay.

00:56:38.660 So there we go.

00:56:39.260 Those are the two right there.

00:56:40.640 Hold on.

00:56:41.140 Let me rewind it back.

00:56:42.000 They were getting some food.

00:56:43.180 They were actually, like, flirting with the guys.

00:56:45.600 Like, when I said I've watched the entire video, you can actually get the audio of it.

00:56:49.620 They put it up on Twitch.

00:56:50.600 This was public, right?

00:56:51.720 Yeah.

00:56:51.920 So a lot of people grabbed it.

00:56:53.560 They may have taken it down because it was so highly demanded.

00:56:55.880 It was evidence, potentially.

00:56:57.280 But the Internet got it off of Twitch before they yeeted it.

00:57:01.940 And to me, looking at it, and I reviewed all of it, it just seems like this was a normal late night interaction with drunk kids who are in college, right?

00:57:10.080 Yeah.

00:57:10.200 There's nothing weird about this.

00:57:11.880 This was totally normal.

00:57:12.880 What happens on a college campus?

00:57:14.480 Yeah.

00:57:14.920 This is common.

00:57:16.820 Yeah.

00:57:17.360 So in the white sweatshirt.

00:57:19.120 It's normally a place where everyone feels really safe.

00:57:21.460 Joseph Woodall is the manager of the grub truck.

00:57:24.540 He is seen in the video working the cash register.

00:57:27.140 And these are the two girls right here, bam, the two victims. 0.93

00:57:30.720 Taking the girls' order.

00:57:32.140 This afternoon, he described their interaction with me.

00:57:34.680 One of the blondes was just a little bit more cheering, kind of bouncing around a little bit more. 1.00

00:57:39.320 And then one was, like, standing there and doing the, hello, how are you, and go through the interactions.

00:57:43.840 And normally, that's pretty normal.

00:57:45.820 In most of our groups, there's people that are more energetic and people that are managing the energetic people.

00:57:51.720 Might have been the girl that had the ex-boyfriend that was trying to call him that night.

00:57:55.160 As you guys know, right?

00:57:56.200 They were obviously drinking a bit, getting some food, get back home.

00:57:59.660 Maybe the feels start to come in.

00:58:01.320 You know, what the hell?

00:58:02.240 I'm going to call my ex. 0.91

00:58:03.100 Call them, like, six or seven times.

00:58:04.920 You know, two o'clock in the morning, he's probably asleep, right?

00:58:07.720 So.

00:58:08.780 Joseph told me he felt incredibly sad when he learned the news about the girls he had just seen the other night.

00:58:14.760 I hope they find the person.

00:58:16.300 I hope they get the person.

00:58:18.040 All right.

00:58:18.640 So that is the footage right there.

00:58:20.360 So let's go back to the affidavit, right?

00:58:22.320 So as y'all can see, this all paints a picture because this is all very important for the timeline.

00:58:27.300 Okay.

00:58:27.660 So this is the grub truck.

00:58:28.660 So DM and BF, again, the two surviving witnesses, guys, right?

00:58:31.980 Just to put pictures again, DM and BF are these two girls right here. 1.00

00:58:35.760 Okay.

00:58:36.620 Dylan and Bethany.

00:58:38.240 All right.

00:58:38.500 This is Dylan right here.

00:58:40.180 This is Bethany on the left.

00:58:41.660 All right.

00:58:43.500 Both made statements during interviews that indicated the occupants of the King Road residence were home at home by 2 a.m.

00:58:49.140 and asleep or at least in their rooms by approximately 4 a.m.

00:58:52.520 This is with the exception of Carnotl, who received a DoorDash order at the residence at approximately 4 a.m.

00:58:58.180 Law enforcement identified the DoorDash delivery driver who reported this information.

00:59:03.540 DM stated she originally went to sleep in her bedroom on the southeast side of the second floor.

00:59:08.520 DM stated she was awoken at approximately 4 a.m.

00:59:11.460 by what she stated sounded like Goncalves playing with her dog in one of the upstairs bedrooms,

00:59:16.360 which were located on the third floor.

00:59:19.860 A short time later, DM, again, this is Dylan, said she heard who she thought was Goncalves say something to the effect of,

00:59:27.500 there's someone here.

00:59:29.080 A reviewer.

00:59:30.140 Okay.

00:59:31.020 Once again, there's going to be a lot of little things where you're like, okay,

00:59:34.320 at what point do you think something is wrong?

00:59:38.000 Well, so this is Dylan in a room.

00:59:41.000 She hears this.

00:59:43.180 And just let's keep a note that in this, after all the things she hears here, she does not call the police.

00:59:51.520 So keep asking yourself, at what point would you have called the police?

00:59:54.880 At what point would you have sought help?

00:59:56.740 At what point would you have checked on something?

00:59:58.840 Like, at what point of view would have done more than she did?

01:00:02.000 So just ask yourself that as we go through this.

01:00:04.820 Okay.

01:00:05.860 A short time later, DM said she heard who she thought was Goncalves.

01:00:10.580 Is it Goncalves or Gonsalves?

01:00:12.420 It's more like Goncalves, but it's, I think, the Portuguese version.

01:00:17.420 Right?

01:00:18.060 So it's like the Portuguese version of Goncalves.

01:00:20.260 Okay.

01:00:20.760 So I'll say Goncalves, I think, because that's what the newscaster said.

01:00:23.100 Goncalves, yeah.

01:00:23.700 Say something to the effect of, there's someone here.

01:00:25.580 A review of records obtained from a forensic download of Karnado's phone showed this could also have been Karnado as her cellular phone indicated she was likely awake and using the TikTok app at approximately 4.12 a.m.

01:00:37.500 So that's very important.

01:00:38.660 Right?

01:00:38.960 So we know she was alive at 4.12 a.m.

01:00:41.640 Right?

01:00:42.980 DM stated she looked out of her bedroom but did not see anything when she heard the comment about someone being in the house.

01:00:49.040 DM stated she opened her door a second time when she heard what she thought was crying coming for Karnado's room.

01:00:55.100 DM then said she heard a male voice say something to the effect of, it's okay, I'm going to help you.

01:01:00.300 Okay.

01:01:00.880 Now that statement, I will say right there, like, if you hear a weird, strange male voice, and I don't know what tone it was, right?

01:01:09.440 But let's imagine it was like, it's okay, I'm going to help you.

01:01:13.140 You know, like, do you not, after there's somebody here was the last thing you heard, and then you hear that.

01:01:21.000 Yeah.

01:01:23.060 Yeah.

01:01:23.960 Just asking, do you call?

01:01:25.420 Have you called yet?

01:01:26.320 So at approximately 4.17 a.m., a security camera located at 112 King Road, a residence immediately to the northwest of 112 King Road, picked up distorted audio of what sounded like voices or a whimper followed by a loud thud.

01:01:41.860 A dog can also be heard barking numerous times starting at 4.17 a.m.

01:01:46.600 The security camera is less than 50 feet from the west wall of Karnado's bedroom.

01:01:51.900 Okay.

01:01:52.220 So here's another fact.

01:01:53.580 So a security camera that is in a different residence, not in this residence, it is across.

01:02:00.700 Right here.

01:02:01.140 Okay.

01:02:01.340 Yeah.

01:02:01.540 There.

01:02:02.040 There.

01:02:02.540 So that security camera picked up the thud.

01:02:07.600 Yeah.

01:02:08.020 Now, this camera, so she definitely heard it even louder in her room, which is way closer than this other residence.

01:02:18.320 Yep.

01:02:18.880 And this is, so this is the other residence guys.

01:02:20.700 So here's where the murder occurred.

01:02:22.520 Here is where the security camera was positioned.

01:02:25.200 Now, if you guys look, this, this camera, right, is on this side over here.

01:02:30.720 Here is Karnado's room for, for, so you guys have a visual, right?

01:02:35.800 Literally just about, I think they said in the affidavit, it's about 50, 50 feet or something like that.

01:02:41.440 Not too far, 50 yards, something like that.

01:02:43.360 50 feet, 50 yards.

01:02:44.300 Yeah.

01:02:44.600 So, so here's our bedroom right here.

01:02:47.240 So they were able to hear, they were able to hear that from there.

01:02:52.180 Here's a side view of it.

01:02:53.540 Right.

01:02:54.120 So here's our bedroom right here.

01:02:55.920 This area on the side.

01:02:58.100 And those sliding doors right there on the second level, you see those sliding doors?

01:03:01.400 Those are the likely, those are the guests that that's the entry point, the sliding doors.

01:03:06.100 Yes.

01:03:06.840 Because people often forget to lock their sliding doors.

01:03:09.660 Yes.

01:03:09.980 Every, all the doors, by the way, guys, when the police showed up, were open at this house.

01:03:13.240 People don't lock their doors in this area.

01:03:16.280 You know what I mean?

01:03:16.700 It's a very safe area in general.

01:03:18.680 Yeah.

01:03:18.820 So going back again, show y'all, go back up to the second floor.

01:03:23.740 So one of the girls, DM, which I'm going to show you guys where her bedroom was, heard the thud and everything else coming from Curnado's room.

01:03:33.520 All right.

01:03:33.980 And again, just so y'all can see what I'm saying from a visual representation.

01:03:40.860 All right.

01:03:41.420 This is where her room was facing the side and the camera guys is off to the left over here in the neighbor's, in the neighbor's property.

01:03:52.080 That's how I was able to pick up that sound.

01:03:53.880 Okay. 0.97

01:03:54.260 Which I, God damn, that camera must've been good, you know, which is common. 0.96

01:04:00.420 You know, a lot of landlords, when you, when you're leasing out to college students, you're going to have good equipment, good security equipment because let's, I'll be honest with you. 0.98

01:04:05.960 I'm a landlord.

01:04:06.420 I got 12 properties.

01:04:07.240 I don't want to lease to college students. 1.00

01:04:08.600 They fuck your place up, man. 0.99

01:04:09.600 So yeah, you're going to have some good equipment in there to protect your stuff. 0.99

01:04:13.020 All right.

01:04:13.920 So let's go back.

01:04:16.300 So now we know where the camera is, right?

01:04:18.240 The security camera is less than 50 feet from the West wall of Curnado's bedroom, which we just showed y'all.

01:04:23.120 DM stated she opened her door for the third time after she heard the crying and saw a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person's mouth and nose walking towards her.

01:04:33.280 DM described the figure as five foot 10 or taller, male, not very muscular, but athletically built with bushy eyebrows.

01:04:41.060 Okay.

01:04:41.540 The male walked past DM as she stood in a frozen shock phase.

01:04:45.100 The male walked towards the backsliding glass.

01:04:48.180 DM locked herself in her room.

01:04:49.460 After seeing the male, DM did not state that she recognized the male.

01:04:53.380 This leads investigators to believe the murderer left the scene.

01:04:56.560 So guys, holy.

01:04:59.340 That's a lot.

01:05:00.580 So let's go ahead and figure out.

01:05:02.540 So DM's room, guys, as y'all can see.

01:05:04.440 Right.

01:05:04.600 Because I want you guys to visually see what she saw.

01:05:07.420 Okay.

01:05:07.920 So her bedroom.

01:05:11.460 On the southeast side of the second floor.

01:05:13.660 All right.

01:05:14.040 So let's go ahead and take a look at DM's bedroom.

01:05:16.840 All right.

01:05:17.900 So you come here.

01:05:19.460 Back to the first floor.

01:05:21.100 Second floor.

01:05:23.140 Her bedroom is right here.

01:05:27.900 This is Kurnado's bedroom.

01:05:29.820 All right.

01:05:29.980 Excuse me.

01:05:30.480 DM's bedroom.

01:05:31.700 So she's right.

01:05:32.500 She's literally right there.

01:05:34.360 You have to pass by her bedroom to go anywhere.

01:05:37.240 So Dylan Morrison's bedroom on the night of events.

01:05:40.180 So this is where her, this is what her bedroom looks like.

01:05:42.900 Right.

01:05:43.160 And this is from the affidavit where her bedroom is.

01:05:45.080 Right.

01:05:45.240 Which we just read that.

01:05:46.980 And then supplementary view.

01:05:48.220 So this is what the bedroom looks like from the inside.

01:05:52.180 Right.

01:05:52.600 Here's an actual photo of it.

01:05:54.040 Now, this is what she saw.

01:05:56.560 So imagine this.

01:05:57.680 You're looking at your door.

01:06:00.520 Right.

01:06:01.220 And you see a dude in black coming towards you from here.

01:06:04.300 Right.

01:06:04.880 Because he just finished.

01:06:06.040 She heard the thud from over there.

01:06:08.520 You hear the, you see a dude coming in all black.

01:06:11.940 Mind you, it's probably pitch black in this area.

01:06:13.780 It's dark as hell.

01:06:14.780 It's 4 a.m.

01:06:16.320 Right.

01:06:16.920 And then he ended up leaving a footprint here.

01:06:19.560 And he exits out this way right here.

01:06:22.440 See, here's the kitchen. 0.83

01:06:27.780 And here's that sliding door that we showed you guys from before.

01:06:30.760 It goes out that door.

01:06:31.980 Through the kitchen and out that door.

01:06:33.900 Right.

01:06:34.560 And this is the patio.

01:06:36.700 This is a picture of the kitchen.

01:06:39.240 And here's another picture of the kitchen.

01:06:41.200 Right.

01:06:42.640 But yeah.

01:06:43.360 So going back to her room. 0.99

01:06:45.060 You can see, actually, this view is great.

01:06:46.680 That view from the kitchen is great.

01:06:48.120 Because you see, when you're looking at that kitchen view, Myron, if you can go back to

01:06:51.940 that last one, you can see where the footprint is, like, yeah, from the kitchen facing the

01:06:56.180 bedroom, right?

01:06:57.160 Uh-huh.

01:06:57.420 You can see, okay, there you go.

01:06:59.100 See the opening of the door.

01:07:00.200 So imagine, he's standing right there, that close to her.

01:07:04.620 She opened the door and is face to face with him.

01:07:06.780 That's what she said in her affidavit.

01:07:08.620 Yeah.

01:07:08.800 He walks by after hearing all those things, after hearing the loud thud, after hearing the

01:07:14.200 dog barking, after hearing, it's okay, I'm going to take care of you.

01:07:17.420 Her say there's somebody here.

01:07:18.800 All those things.

01:07:20.380 And she goes to bed, and it's not until the next day that a friend calls the police.

01:07:29.120 Yep.

01:07:29.920 Yep.

01:07:31.000 So, yeah.

01:07:31.940 I mean, imagine, guys, this is her view.

01:07:33.860 This has got to be, this would be, like, literally horrifying.

01:07:36.320 You're standing, and you see a dark figure come, wearing all black with a mask on.

01:07:41.120 You could just see them bushy-ass eyebrows, and he walks past you.

01:07:44.140 So, now, what I'm assuming is that he didn't see her with the door, because she probably

01:07:47.620 had the door cracked open, and she could see a little.

01:07:49.560 Or even if she opened it, it's also possible that he had lost kind of his night sight, because

01:07:54.600 let's say that his eyes had adjusted to the rooms upstairs, where they were awake, and

01:07:59.220 probably had all the lights on.

01:08:00.520 So, his eyes might have been shifted, so he could not see her with her lights off.

01:08:06.020 Maybe she had her lights off in her room, and looked out there, or peeked out, and he

01:08:09.780 just didn't see that.

01:08:10.980 Yeah.

01:08:11.660 Yeah.

01:08:11.920 Yeah.

01:08:12.160 That's true as well.

01:08:13.900 So, and then-

01:08:15.240 And also, by the way, we don't know whether or not she was intoxicated.

01:08:18.880 We have no idea if DM was intoxicated at all.

01:08:22.400 The one thing I will say, the one thing that can maybe explain this, which I would want

01:08:26.240 to hear at trial, is, were you drunk?

01:08:28.340 Were you high?

01:08:29.380 Like, what were you doing that night?

01:08:32.540 Because, I mean, what was your state of mind that you saw all these things and didn't say

01:08:36.700 anything?

01:08:37.360 That's going to be, I think that's why Dylan, DM, is the number one liability for the prosecution

01:08:44.620 in this case.

01:08:45.360 I think it's going to be something that the defense is going to really harp on.

01:08:48.620 Yeah, they're going to beat the shadow of her on cross.

01:08:51.020 Yes.

01:08:51.380 I'll tell you that.

01:08:53.300 So, okay.

01:08:55.040 So, she looked at, so basically, she sees this guy, right?

01:09:00.160 This shadowy figure, okay, coming through with bushy eyebrows.

01:09:04.820 The male walked towards the backsliding glass door.

01:09:06.580 DM locked herself in a room after seeing the male. 0.88

01:09:08.920 DM did not say she recognized the male.

01:09:10.540 This leads investigators to believe the murderer left the scene, all right?

01:09:12.880 So, you got an eyewitness that saw an unknown male in the room, in the house.

01:09:17.000 The combination of DM's statements to law enforcement, reviews of forensic downloads

01:09:20.280 of records from BF and DM's phone, and video of a suspect video, as described, below

01:09:26.960 leads investigators to believe the homicides occurred between 4 a.m.

01:09:31.060 and 425 a.m.

01:09:32.360 And, I mean, hell, we know that she was on TikTok at 412.

01:09:34.680 I would put it even closer to, she got, they got killed somewhere between 412 to 425.

01:09:41.120 So, yeah.

01:09:41.660 So, the actual, so, when they say the, the homicides happened when he 4 and 425, he may

01:09:47.960 have been in the residence, but they got a door dash in there.

01:09:51.900 They were on TikTok.

01:09:52.940 So, you know certain things happened.

01:09:55.840 So, it really puts the murders within, like, maybe an eight-minute range.

01:10:00.040 It was a quick in, out, stab, stab, stab, out.

01:10:03.120 Yep.

01:10:05.160 During the processing of the crime scene, investigators found a latent shoe print.

01:10:08.120 This was located during the second processing of the crime scene by the ISP forensic team

01:10:12.480 by first using a presumptive blood test and then amino black, a protein stain that detects

01:10:17.920 the presence of cellular material.

01:10:19.720 The detective's shoe print showed a diamond-shaped pattern similar to the pattern of a Vance-type

01:10:24.620 shoe sole just outside the door of DM's bedroom, located on second, on the second floor.

01:10:29.960 This is consistent with DM's statement regarding the suspect's path of travel.

01:10:32.920 Once again, let's take a look at this, guys.

01:10:34.960 Here is where the footprint was found.

01:10:37.340 Okay?

01:10:37.820 And this is what it looked like.

01:10:39.380 All right?

01:10:40.420 Well, a Vance-type shoe with this type of print.

01:10:43.780 Now, the other thing I also want to say was, man, this is why serial killers went crazy

01:10:48.300 in the 70s and 80s, bro.

01:10:49.640 You would not be, they did not have this type of technology back then because, just so y'all

01:10:53.760 know, they pulled protein, right?

01:10:56.000 I was going to say, can you talk about, like, because when I speak with other attorneys

01:10:59.980 on this, and I have talked with attorneys on this case, if you want to check out my discussions

01:11:03.620 that talked with a public defender on this case the other day, Andrew Burkhart, and this

01:11:07.880 particular evidence, just the amino black, right?

01:11:11.140 Yes, it's new, right?

01:11:12.080 It's great.

01:11:12.660 But the shoe print alone, I mean, this by itself doesn't convict somebody, right?

01:11:19.180 I mean, you know, and here's the other thing, too.

01:11:21.680 How many people were walking through that blood before they called the police?

01:11:27.500 Because they didn't call the police until the other day, they thought they were passed

01:11:30.480 out, and they actually called a friend who came in, checked them, realized they were

01:11:34.600 dead, not just unconscious, not just drunk, and called the police.

01:11:39.160 Yeah.

01:11:40.160 Yeah.

01:11:40.660 I mean, this is, you know, it's basically from blood.

01:11:43.320 So what more than likely happened, right?

01:11:44.860 Assuming that this guy, you know, the person wearing the shoes, obviously, when you're stabbing

01:11:51.780 people, there's going to be blood all over the place.

01:11:53.540 So, and he probably more than likely, at some point, stepped in blood.

01:11:57.440 You step in the blood, that's going to go ahead.

01:12:00.340 There's protein in human blood.

01:12:02.340 And what the investigators are able to do, and I'm really glad the state police went ahead

01:12:06.980 and did a second processing of the crime scene, right?

01:12:10.720 And they were able to find this shoe print.

01:12:13.200 And they didn't get it on the first pass.

01:12:15.620 So would that happen with the FBI?

01:12:17.100 Would that happen with the feds, Myron?

01:12:18.460 You know, would they miss it on the first pass?

01:12:20.700 Yeah.

01:12:20.940 Well, this is the state police in this case, because the Bureau is not going to have, you

01:12:25.340 know, the same sophisticated murder investigative tools that the state is going to have, because

01:12:30.980 feds typically don't do murders. 1.00

01:12:32.840 So the state police, a lot of times, are going to have superior methodologies for processing

01:12:38.760 a crime scene as far as the murder goes.

01:12:40.900 And it was the state police that processed this scene.

01:12:43.180 The FBI comes more in touch with the cell phone stuff.

01:12:45.860 But as far as the processing of the scene, it was the state police that did this.

01:12:49.460 So they did a second processing, which is actually really good that they did this.

01:12:52.980 And they're able to find this protein stain from blood.

01:12:56.240 And they were able to find a shoe print.

01:12:57.620 Now, I'm willing to bet that more than likely they went ahead and compared Chapman's shoe

01:13:01.720 size to that of the suspect.

01:13:03.780 And there's probably discrepancy, which is why they were able to eliminate, oh, this

01:13:07.140 isn't Chapman's shoe, right?

01:13:08.420 A male that we know that frequents the home.

01:13:10.360 Um, and that's how they're able to use this as a legit piece of evidence.

01:13:14.600 And also the other thing too, is that this shoe print, uh, was, uh, was consistent with

01:13:20.180 DM statement of regarding the suspect's path of travel.

01:13:22.600 Remember, she saw him walk past her right here and they found a shoe print that she was

01:13:27.140 like, okay, he walked this way.

01:13:28.680 And then they found the shoe print right in this area.

01:13:30.640 I guarantee you that her statement is what made them say, okay, let's go back and canvas

01:13:35.240 this entire area from where she saw this individual.

01:13:37.900 And then bam, they found that shoe print off of her testimony. 0.99

01:13:41.000 They probably could.

01:13:41.660 That's what made them go back and do it a second time.

01:13:43.800 Oh yeah.

01:13:44.980 Um, all right, cool.

01:13:46.160 So, uh, as part of the investigation, extensive search commonly referred to as in law enforcement

01:13:51.680 as a video canvas was conducted in the area of the King road residents.

01:13:54.980 This video canvas was to obtain any footage from early morning hours of November 13, 2022

01:13:59.260 in the area of King road residents and surrounding, uh, neighborhoods in an effort to locate

01:14:04.080 the suspects or suspect vehicles traveling to or leaving from the King road residents.

01:14:08.160 This video canvas resulted in the collection of numerous surveillance videos in the area

01:14:11.740 from both residential and business addresses.

01:14:14.120 I reviewed numerous videos that were collected and have had conversations with other MPD,

01:14:18.200 uh, officers, ice, uh, ISP detectives, uh, Idaho state police and FBI agents that were,

01:14:24.520 that are similarly reviewing footage that was obtained.

01:14:26.940 A review of footage, uh, indicated that a white sedan here and after suspect vehicle

01:14:32.460 one was observed traveling westbound in the 700 block of Indian Hills drive in Moscow at

01:14:37.980 approximately 3 26 AM and south and westbound on Steiner Avenue at Idaho state highway 95

01:14:43.100 and Moscow at approximately 3 28 AM on this video.

01:14:45.840 It appeared suspect vehicle one was not displaying a front license plate.

01:14:48.820 Remember how Andrew talked about that guys, certain States, you don't have to necessarily

01:14:53.060 have a front license plate, which in this case is Pennsylvania.

01:14:55.900 And we'll find out why, because normally Idaho, you're supposed to, right?

01:14:58.820 And yeah.

01:14:59.260 And the thing is, is that in Washington as well, right?

01:15:01.540 Uh, both States, Idaho and Washington, and they make that clear here.

01:15:04.600 Um, but here's the thing, if you're a student and you're just there, uh, there's certain

01:15:08.000 rules that sometimes you're not required to do that.

01:15:10.780 But typically if you live somewhere for more than some States, it's 10 days, 30 days, you're

01:15:15.220 required to update it.

01:15:16.640 It's annoying.

01:15:17.420 And frankly, from my, my legal standpoint, I think they should ban that because I think you

01:15:21.580 should be required to acknowledge other States driver's license.

01:15:24.100 But that being said, you are supposed to do that under current law, update your tags and

01:15:28.040 your title.

01:15:28.740 Um, so that's something that, or not, sorry, you update your tags, not your title, uh, but

01:15:32.100 update your tags.

01:15:33.460 And he was, he was due to do this, but because he was following it under the Pennsylvania rules,

01:15:39.440 he did not have a display, which made it harder to track his call.

01:15:43.320 Good point.

01:15:46.240 Uh, and we got 2,500 plus y'all in here, man.

01:15:48.420 Do me a favor, guys. 0.99

01:15:49.200 Like the goddamn video. 1.00

01:15:50.040 Subscribe to legal mindset. 1.00

01:15:50.960 Subscribe to fed at 1811.

01:15:52.020 Let's keep going here.

01:15:52.700 Review footage for multiple videos obtained from King road neighborhood showed multiple

01:15:56.000 settings of suspect vehicle one, starting at three 29 AM and ending at four 20 AM.

01:15:59.780 These settings show suspect vehicle one makes an initial three passes by 11 to two King

01:16:04.480 road.

01:16:04.820 Remember, as you guys know where the murder occurred and then leave via, uh, uh, Walenta drive.

01:16:09.620 Based off my experience as a patrol officer, this is a residential neighborhood with a very

01:16:14.200 limited number of vehicles that travel in the area during the early morning hours.

01:16:18.580 Upon review of the video, there are only a few cars that enter and exit this area during

01:16:23.080 that timeframe.

01:16:23.660 So that's important to know because obviously what is a vehicle, uh, doing in that area that

01:16:29.760 early in the morning?

01:16:30.900 Suspect vehicle one can be seen entering the area a fourth time at approximately four or four

01:16:35.240 AM.

01:16:35.820 It can be seen driving eastbound on King road, stopping and turning around in front of 500

01:16:39.360 Queen road, number 52, and then driving back westbound on King road.

01:16:43.000 And don't worry guys, I have a visual.

01:16:44.100 That's going to show you guys this in a second.

01:16:45.560 I'm just going to get through it and then I'll show it to y'all.

01:16:47.200 When suspect one is in front of the King road residents, it appeared to unsuccessfully attempt

01:16:51.040 to park or turn around in the road.

01:16:53.060 The vehicle then continued on to the intersection of Queen road and King road, where it can be

01:16:57.180 seen completing a three point turn and then driving eastbound again down Queen road.

01:17:01.460 Suspect vehicle one is next seen departing the area of the King road residents at approximately

01:17:06.140 420 AM at a high rate of speed.

01:17:08.000 Remember guys, 420 AM is when the murders were pretty much almost done, right?

01:17:13.740 Suspect vehicle one is next observed traveling southbound on Wilenta Drive.

01:17:18.480 Based on my knowledge of the area and review of camera footage in the neighborhood that

01:17:22.520 does not show suspect vehicle one during the timeframe, I believe that suspect vehicle one

01:17:26.060 likely as the neighborhood, the neighborhood at Palouse River Drive and Canesta, uh, Canestoga

01:17:32.980 Drive.

01:17:33.840 Yeah.

01:17:34.040 Palouse River Drive is at the southern edge of Moscow and proceeds into Whitman County,

01:17:38.240 Washington.

01:17:39.080 Eventually the road leads to Pullman, Washington.

01:17:41.540 Pullman, Washington is approximately 10 miles from Moscow, Moscow, India.

01:17:45.360 Both Pullman and Moscow are small college towns and people commonly travel back and forth

01:17:49.020 between them.

01:17:49.440 Again, guys, revisional representation for y'all.

01:17:52.060 Um, this is where Moscow, Moscow is versus where, um, Pullman, Washington is.

01:17:59.180 Okay.

01:17:59.400 This is the address of the suspect, uh, 1630 Northeast Valley drive road versus, uh, 1122

01:18:05.900 King road.

01:18:06.420 We're talking about 11 miles between the two.

01:18:09.120 And this is the country.

01:18:10.280 So you can go pretty fast out there.

01:18:11.560 A lot of this is very rule.

01:18:13.000 There's nothing out there, but cows to tip over.

01:18:15.280 I mean, you got the state line right there, that dash line, that's the Idaho, Washington

01:18:19.100 border.

01:18:19.520 So this is, this is just over the border, right?

01:18:22.620 So this is very, very, very close.

01:18:24.760 In fact, the, the, uh, airport is on the Washington side, not on the Idaho side.

01:18:29.900 Exactly.

01:18:30.820 Um, so, uh, so also, okay.

01:18:34.700 So now, so now we know the path that he kind of took.

01:18:36.740 So I got this visual representation for y'all here.

01:18:39.500 All right.

01:18:40.460 Um, this is what it looks like, right?

01:18:42.420 With the path.

01:18:43.600 Okay.

01:18:44.080 You can see her 326 AM observe a shout out to a tenant life.

01:18:47.600 Uh, she mapped this out, but you can see her 326 AM observed traveling westbound, right?

01:18:53.300 328 observed, observed traveling westbound again.

01:18:55.720 This is the route he took 329 entered the neighborhood, uh, four, 4.

01:19:00.020 AM.

01:19:00.280 Here's it.

01:19:00.640 Here he is at queen road, right?

01:19:02.360 Passed by one, one, two, two King three times.

01:19:04.180 And then at 420 AM, he speeds away.

01:19:07.520 All right.

01:19:07.960 And then likely exited this way.

01:19:09.460 So this is kind of the path that the affidavit shows.

01:19:12.660 Now we're going to go ahead and do the actual, uh, visual representation of, of this occurring.

01:19:19.180 All right.

01:19:20.980 The car is doing a little like fast and the furious.

01:19:23.340 You guys can see it's moving a little fast here.

01:19:25.300 You drift action there at the end when it speeds away from the scene.

01:19:28.120 Her art, art, art, art isn't the greatest, but you guys get the idea.

01:19:31.680 The path is accurate.

01:19:32.840 Yeah, the path is the point video is not meant to be funny, but I understand that it kind

01:19:37.660 of is given the skillset.

01:19:39.160 So the video is pretty quick.

01:19:40.560 So I'll play it twice, but it basically shows the vehicle coming into the neighborhood, kind

01:19:43.900 of doing its little drive.

01:19:44.980 That's outlined in the affidavit parking for a while, going in the house, obviously, and

01:19:49.080 then speeding away from the scene.

01:19:52.260 Bam.

01:19:52.780 So, so let me just say one other thing too.

01:19:54.580 This is just what happened on the night of that's just the drive by on the night of we're

01:19:59.400 going to see, based on other evidence, this was not the first time he was there.

01:20:03.780 In fact, he was there driving by multiple times before, based on cell tower evidence,

01:20:11.460 and we can talk about that type of evidence.

01:20:13.020 They're alleging that he was there multiple times casing out the joint and that potentially

01:20:18.860 he went by the house after the murders.

01:20:23.540 The morning after he drove back all the way over there, drove back and specifically went

01:20:30.120 in front of the house after the murders.

01:20:31.960 Bam. 0.70

01:20:32.500 Crazy.

01:20:33.120 So now we're going to go.

01:20:34.460 So now we got, so we got the video footage, right?

01:20:36.300 So y'all, we saw the route, right?

01:20:37.960 Of how this potentially went down.

01:20:40.200 Now we're going to get into the cell phone stuff, right?

01:20:42.840 Uh, okay.

01:20:47.200 Um, okay.

01:20:48.440 Well, actually, no, no, no.

01:20:49.200 We're going to, now we're going to go into identifying the vehicle, suspect vehicle one.

01:20:52.140 Okay.

01:20:52.600 Law enforcement officers provided video footage of suspect vehicle one to forensic examiners

01:20:56.580 with the FBI that regularly utilize surveillance footage to identify the year, make, and model

01:21:01.200 of an unknown vehicle that is observed by one or more cameras during the commission

01:21:04.980 of a criminal offense.

01:21:06.060 The forensic examiner has approximately 35 years law enforcement experience for 12 years at

01:21:10.380 the FBI.

01:21:10.760 His specific training includes identifying unique characteristics of vehicles and uses

01:21:14.740 a database that gives visual clues of vehicles across states to identify differences between

01:21:19.780 vehicles.

01:21:20.500 Okay.

01:21:21.080 I wonder what the hell. 0.67

01:21:22.700 Okay.

01:21:23.160 To boil it down for y'all, this guy is an expert using grainy surveillance footage, which

01:21:28.380 is very common in businesses, homes, et cetera, to identify vehicles that are used during

01:21:33.460 the commission of crimes.

01:21:34.340 They look at certain things, right?

01:21:36.000 They're able to enhance the video number one, and then they're able with his expertise.

01:21:39.800 Okay.

01:21:40.320 I see this little fender here.

01:21:41.840 I see this thing here.

01:21:42.880 Okay.

01:21:43.360 I can, from my professional experience, I know that this is this car approximately this

01:21:47.420 year, this make, et cetera.

01:21:48.780 And that obviously whittles down a bunch of potential vehicles it could be and help you

01:21:55.580 hone in on a target vehicle.

01:21:57.880 Okay.

01:21:58.160 After reviewing numerous observations of suspect vehicle one, the forensic examiner initially

01:22:03.620 believed that suspect vehicle one was a 2011 to 2013 Hyundai Elantra.

01:22:07.720 Upon further review, he indicated it could also be a 2011 to 2016 Hyundai Elantra.

01:22:12.500 As a result, investigators have been reviewing information on persons in possession of a vehicle

01:22:15.880 that is a 2011 to 2016 white Hyundai Elantra.

01:22:20.320 Okay.

01:22:20.580 So fairly accurate.

01:22:21.500 Now he's boiled it down to, you know, specific make and model and year ranges.

01:22:26.780 You guys know a lot of these vehicle producers, they kind of get lazy.

01:22:30.160 You know, the model stays very similar, you know, for a span of time, right?

01:22:33.140 For it to obviously cut down on production costs, which is good for law enforcement.

01:22:36.540 So they're able to say, pin it down.

01:22:37.940 Okay.

01:22:38.580 It's this year's, these years of makes.

01:22:41.480 Right.

01:22:41.840 So investigators were given access to video footage on the Washington State University

01:22:46.940 campus located in Pullman, Washington.

01:22:48.960 A review of that video indicated that at approximately 2.44 a.m. on November 13, 2022,

01:22:54.420 a white sedan, which was consistent with the description of the white Elantra known as

01:22:58.080 suspect vehicle one, was observed on WSU surveillance cameras traveling north on Southeast

01:23:03.700 Nevada Street at Northeast Stadium Way at approximately 2.53 a.m.

01:23:07.440 A white sedan, which is consistent with the description of the white Elantra known as

01:23:10.680 suspect vehicle one, was observed traveling Southeast on Nevada Street in Pullman, Washington

01:23:15.140 towards SR270.

01:23:17.180 SR270 connects Pullman, Washington to Moscow, Idaho.

01:23:20.200 This is what they're talking about, guys.

01:23:21.700 This road.

01:23:22.080 He took that road.

01:23:22.920 Yep.

01:23:23.720 This road right here is what they're referring to.

01:23:26.160 270.

01:23:26.940 As you guys can see, this road.

01:23:28.960 270 connects to two towns.

01:23:30.880 All right?

01:23:31.080 Right.

01:23:31.740 So there's kind of two ways.

01:23:33.020 You can see there's that way.

01:23:33.840 I think that's the quickest.

01:23:34.640 There's also, if you see that road right under it, I think there's that kind of a little

01:23:38.480 slightly longer way to go there.

01:23:40.420 But yeah, at any point, here's the other thing.

01:23:42.720 At any point, as you can see, it's very rural.

01:23:46.780 So you can see that area in the middle there.

01:23:47.920 Yeah.

01:23:48.080 That area right there.

01:23:49.460 Just the green, you know, all that.

01:23:51.920 Yeah.

01:23:52.040 We don't have a murder weapon right now.

01:23:54.200 We don't have his clothes.

01:23:55.140 No, we do not.

01:23:56.220 So that stuff could be anywhere out there in that rural area, in the cut, in between Moscow

01:24:03.920 and Pullman, or Moscow and Pullman.

01:24:08.140 So, okay.

01:24:10.840 This camera footage from Pullman, Washington was provided to the same FBI forensic examiner.

01:24:15.860 The forensic examiner identified the vehicle, observed that Pullman, Washington, as being

01:24:18.760 a 2014 to 2016 Hyundai Elantra.

01:24:20.800 So now they're able to whittle it down even more.

01:24:22.760 At approximately 525 a.m., a white sedan, which was consistent with the description of

01:24:27.360 suspect vehicle one, was observed on five cameras in Pullman, Washington, and on WSU

01:24:31.540 campus cameras.

01:24:32.800 The first camera that recorded the white sedan was located at 1300 Johnson Road in Pullman.

01:24:36.740 The white sedan was observed traveling northbound on Johnson Road.

01:24:39.240 Johnson Road leads directly back to West Pole House River Drive in Moscow, which intersects

01:24:43.720 with Conestoga Drive.

01:24:45.880 The white sedan was then observed turning north on Bishop Boulevard and northwest on SR270.

01:24:50.760 At approximately 527 a.m., the white Elantra was observed on cameras traveling northbound

01:24:54.580 on Stadium Way and Nevada Street Stadium Way at Grimes Way Stadium Drive at Wilson Road

01:24:59.200 and Stadium Way at Cougar Way.

01:25:01.860 So what does this all mean, guys?

01:25:03.700 Basically, they were able to go ahead and get camera footage from probably a combination

01:25:08.540 of businesses, red lights, road cameras, et cetera, to be able to determine the path of

01:25:14.620 this vehicle because this vehicle matches, right, the description of the vehicle that

01:25:20.900 they saw on the night of the murder in the area of King Road where the murders occurred.

01:25:25.800 Okay, guys, so you see what's going on here?

01:25:27.240 So they identify the vehicle.

01:25:28.760 All right, it's a white sedan, suspect vehicle one.

01:25:32.160 All right, FBI profiler, tell me, vehicle expert, tell me what this vehicle could potentially

01:25:36.980 be.

01:25:37.660 All right, it's a white high-end down lunch rod between this.

01:25:39.620 Okay, cool.

01:25:40.580 So then they're able to go ahead and use that original, right, video surveillance footage

01:25:45.800 from the murder area and compare it to other camera footage that they have from roads, businesses,

01:25:53.780 et cetera, and they were able to match that vehicle to the suspect vehicle in the original

01:25:58.900 footage from the murder scene.

01:26:00.520 Okay, guys, so that's how they're able to do this.

01:26:02.200 I know you guys are probably like, okay, I'm a little confused here.

01:26:03.820 What's going on?

01:26:04.620 That's essentially how it boils down in a simplified version.

01:26:07.940 And also think about it, guys.

01:26:08.800 There's so many traffic cameras now.

01:26:10.240 This is something, like I said, it's different nowadays.

01:26:12.480 We got traffic cameras.

01:26:13.820 We got rings.

01:26:14.680 We got businesses with cameras everywhere.

01:26:17.100 We got security footage.

01:26:18.440 You know, we got all these things.

01:26:19.720 So you can put these together and line these up.

01:26:21.540 And that does take a while, right?

01:26:22.880 That does take, you know, a couple weeks to process that.

01:26:26.280 And remember, everybody and their mother was submitting proof, evidence on this.

01:26:30.520 They're calling in with tips.

01:26:31.800 This was something they were getting a flood of information on.

01:26:34.060 And they needed a massive amount of resources, far beyond what they have in Moscow, to be able to process this.

01:26:40.240 I'm willing to bet they had probably 100-plus law enforcement officers working on this case, looking at surveillance footage.

01:26:46.260 And they said in the beginning they did a video canvas.

01:26:48.740 Guys, when they do a video canvas, we're talking like a, you know, 20-mile radius.

01:26:53.640 They're grabbing footage from everybody.

01:26:55.260 Yo, we need, you know, we need video footage from your business, et cetera.

01:27:00.840 And they were just gathering this stuff and comparing all the surveillance footage.

01:27:03.780 And that's how they were able to piece all this together.

01:27:05.880 Obviously, they're boiling it down and summarizing it on this affidavit for y'all.

01:27:09.420 But they went through hundreds of hundreds of hours of surveillance footage to find this stuff out.

01:27:14.120 All right? 0.95

01:27:14.340 And the affidavit, this is shitty.

01:27:15.820 But I already showed you guys the route on Google Maps.

01:27:18.280 Okay, so they're showing a depiction of the White Launcher's path of travel, not to scale. 0.80

01:27:23.480 And then here it is again, which is, you know, trash. 0.85

01:27:25.880 And by the way, it's a trash quality image. 0.82

01:27:27.880 Like, this is why the internet always does win on this.

01:27:30.200 Like, budget graphics versus, like, just going to Google.

01:27:33.840 Yeah.

01:27:34.460 Oh, I will say, Myron, you might want to click on the car icon instead of the bike.

01:27:38.040 But it's a good thing.

01:27:40.300 My bad.

01:27:41.000 Where's the car?

01:27:41.640 Oh, my bad.

01:27:42.320 No, no, no.

01:27:42.600 No, no.

01:27:42.960 It's funny because it would take you only – but here's the funny thing.

01:27:45.640 When you clicked on the bike, it was only an hour if you were biking, you know?

01:27:49.020 So I'm saying, like, it's 19 minutes if you're driving, you know?

01:27:53.120 It's nothing.

01:27:53.960 It's absolutely nothing.

01:27:55.680 And the way this guy drove, you probably made it back in, like, you know –

01:27:58.640 He was booking it.

01:27:59.760 Yeah, he was booking it, man.

01:28:01.840 All right.

01:28:03.000 So let's go back to the affidavit here.

01:28:05.660 All right.

01:28:06.940 So on November 25th, 2022, MPD asked area law enforcement agencies to be on the lookout for a white Hyundai Elantra in the area.

01:28:13.300 So they put a bolo, guys, okay, out for everybody.

01:28:16.400 On November 29th, 2022, at approximately 1228 a.m., Washington State University police officer Daniel Tiango queried why Elantra is registered at WSU.

01:28:25.600 As a result of that query, he located a 2015 white Elantra with a Pennsylvania license plate LFZ 8649.

01:28:32.300 This vehicle is registered to Brian Kohlberger, here and after Kohlberger, residing at 1630 Northeast Valley Road, Apartment 21, Pullman, Washington. 0.99

01:28:42.920 That's how they fucking got him. 0.99

01:28:44.660 Bam. 0.99

01:28:45.640 So this guy, shout out to Officer Daniel Tiango, queried why Elantra is registered at WSU.

01:28:51.820 So he gets a bolo from Moscow PD, and they're like, yo, why Elantra is beyond the lookout?

01:28:58.620 He goes and acquires.

01:28:59.400 Okay, so that's what it is, just because, I mean, Myron, you know, I'm glad I'm here to, like, call Myron sometimes when he uses words.

01:29:05.420 Bolo is beyond the lookout, right?

01:29:07.580 Yeah, thank you.

01:29:08.100 That's the slang.

01:29:08.680 Yeah, because you just dropped this.

01:29:10.280 When I'm hanging out with Myron, I'm going to just drop this LEO terms.

01:29:12.800 I'm like, you've got to explain this to the people, man.

01:29:14.680 The people need to know.

01:29:16.460 You're right.

01:29:16.940 Thank you.

01:29:17.220 I appreciate that.

01:29:18.140 Yeah, so they put that out to all the law enforcement area.

01:29:21.060 This guy, right, probably bored because he works as a university police officer, right?

01:29:24.880 I'll be honest with you.

01:29:25.540 A lot of times they're just sitting in their cruiser querying tags for fun.

01:29:28.660 I'll give it 1,000, man.

01:29:30.020 But they're bored.

01:29:30.700 They're bored.

01:29:31.020 They got nothing to do.

01:29:31.740 This is not normal for them.

01:29:33.520 This is completely something they've never done in their entire lifetime.

01:29:37.020 Yeah.

01:29:37.540 So you got a murder case, you know, 10 miles away, and they're saying, yo, a white Elantra.

01:29:42.040 He's like, you know what?

01:29:42.600 Let me look at the white Elantras in my area.

01:29:44.420 So, bam, he queries.

01:29:45.860 And that's why they had to put his name in here because this is a big find.

01:29:48.660 He's the witness.

01:29:49.680 They have to.

01:29:50.700 He's a witness now.

01:29:52.500 100% he's a witness.

01:29:53.500 Yeah.

01:29:54.400 So they even put the date and time that he identified this.

01:29:58.620 So that tells you right there the importance of this find.

01:30:01.380 All right?

01:30:02.040 So he located a 2015 white Elantra, Pennsylvania license plate, LFZ 8649.

01:30:06.800 This vehicle is registered to Brian Kohlberger, here and after Kohlberger, residing at 1630 Northeast Valley Road, Apartment 201, Pullman, Washington.

01:30:13.860 And just so you all know, right, so going back to these apartments, I'll go ahead.

01:30:21.160 We don't want direct.

01:30:22.200 Oh, no.

01:30:22.620 Hold on.

01:30:23.500 I want to go ahead and try to give you guys the satellite location or the satellite.

01:30:30.200 You know what?

01:30:30.920 Hold on.

01:30:31.260 Image.

01:30:32.460 Where is that? 0.98

01:30:35.360 God damn it. 0.99

01:30:36.180 You know what? 0.99

01:30:37.880 I'll just put it in right here.

01:30:39.860 Bam.

01:30:41.400 Here it is, guys.

01:30:42.720 And I'll give you guys a.

01:30:43.800 Septo, here we go.

01:30:48.100 Here we go.

01:30:48.120 This is it.

01:30:50.220 This is the area.

01:30:51.400 Septo Village.

01:30:51.960 This is basically where this guy lives.

01:30:54.340 Apartment 201 in this area.

01:30:55.640 I think that's.

01:30:56.600 Guys, just look at the background of this place.

01:30:58.500 Like, you know, if you want to know how rural this is, like, look at the building and look what's behind it.

01:31:02.820 You know, like, this is not a dense urban area.

01:31:05.880 Imagine nighttime here.

01:31:07.540 It's probably pitch black.

01:31:09.960 Yeah.

01:31:10.060 And you guys can see the W here.

01:31:11.200 This is all Washington.

01:31:12.140 Probably 90% of these people are students.

01:31:15.800 Right.

01:31:17.120 And this is where he basically lived.

01:31:21.040 Oh, look at that.

01:31:21.660 The nice little rainbow.

01:31:22.760 Oh, how wholesome.

01:31:24.100 How nice.

01:31:27.160 And then here, guys, is a satellite view.

01:31:30.440 So as you guys can see, here's the Valley Road play field, which they had mentioned.

01:31:35.400 Septo Apartments, the Grove Apartments Pullman.

01:31:37.980 So this is the area where this guy lives, which is all WSU.

01:31:41.420 This is all WSU stuff.

01:31:42.960 Right.

01:31:43.120 Student Rec Center, Beasley, Ecclesium, et cetera.

01:31:46.660 All right.

01:31:46.920 Let's go back to here.

01:31:51.160 Okay.

01:31:51.900 6030 Northeast Valley Road is approximately three quarters of a mile from an intersection of Stadium Way and Cougar Way.

01:31:56.480 Last camera location that picked up the white Elantra.

01:31:59.100 Let's see here.

01:32:01.080 Intersection of Stadium Way and Cougar Way.

01:32:05.780 Oh, it's right here.

01:32:06.700 My bad.

01:32:08.000 Stadium Way and Cougar Way.

01:32:09.840 Do you see it here anywhere, Andrew?

01:32:11.360 Yeah, to zoom in a little bit.

01:32:12.740 Just a little bit.

01:32:13.340 If you can zoom in a little bit more.

01:32:16.140 I'm trying to find where the camera more than likely got him.

01:32:26.040 Probably one of the major intersections.

01:32:27.620 I mean, it's probably going to be at one of the, yeah, it's probably going to be one of the major intersections.

01:32:31.160 Somewhere in this area here.

01:32:32.360 Probably in that area.

01:32:33.280 Yeah.

01:32:33.700 All right.

01:32:34.040 But there's Stadium Way.

01:32:34.900 There's Stadium Way right there.

01:32:35.980 So right down there, you see Stadium Way, right by the stadium.

01:32:39.620 Literally by the stadium.

01:32:40.820 Right here?

01:32:41.400 Yeah.

01:32:42.700 Yeah, it could be there.

01:32:43.640 Yeah.

01:32:44.020 That's Stadium Way right there.

01:32:45.580 So this is a major thoroughfare.

01:32:47.280 It's going to be on a major, you know, arterial street.

01:32:50.980 So they picked them up on a camera somewhere on this road, on the street.

01:32:55.520 Right?

01:32:55.800 So just so you'll have an idea.

01:32:57.720 Technology, man.

01:32:59.240 All right?

01:33:00.460 Stadium Way, Cougar Way.

01:33:01.460 Last camera location.

01:33:02.320 I picked up the white Elantra.

01:33:03.680 The same day at approximately 1258 a.m., WSU officer Curtis Whitman was looking for a white Hyundai Elantra and located a 2015 white Hyundai Elantra at 1630 Northeast Valley Road in Pullman in the parking lot.

01:33:15.060 So, bam, guys, literally, what, they identify the car at 1228 by 1250, they got the car identified, and they got eyes on it.

01:33:21.600 Okay?

01:33:22.080 So the shout-out to WSU police officers, they're probably bored, but they're like, yo, we're going to find this guy, bro.

01:33:28.060 So they find him, right, within 30 minutes.

01:33:31.400 All right?

01:33:33.740 1630 Northeast Valley Road is an apartment complex that houses WSU students, which we showed you guys' pictures earlier.

01:33:39.040 Officer Whitman also ran the car and returned it, and it returned to Kohlberger with a Washington tag.

01:33:43.060 Remember how I told you guys they run your car through a database?

01:33:45.520 They probably ran it through something called Endless, National Law Enforcement Telecommunication System, which allows you guys to go ahead and get state information on vehicles, boats, tags, all that stuff.

01:33:58.660 I reviewed Kohlberger's Washington State Driver License Information and Photograph.

01:34:01.980 This license indicates that Kohlberger is a white male with a height of six foot and weighs 185 pounds.

01:34:06.860 Additionally, the photograph of Kohlberger shows that he has bushy eyebrows.

01:34:11.200 Kohlberger's physical description is consistent with the description of the male DM saw inside the King Road residence on November 13th.

01:34:17.480 As you guys remember, DM, when she said, I saw that male, she said it was about six feet tall, athletic build, not muscular, but athletic build, bushy eyebrows.

01:34:23.600 Go ahead, Andrew.

01:34:23.960 So I'm just going to say, okay, before we – without the DNA evidence, like from a defensive point of view, like if all they had was her description of a dude with bushy eyebrows who's taller than 5'10 and wearing black, no, no.

01:34:39.520 That's not like – first of all, she would get destroyed on cross-examination.

01:34:43.180 Her reliability is pretty much zero, her not calling the police, all the other stuff.

01:34:48.980 So if that was all they had, how many dudes are out there with bushy eyebrows? 0.98

01:34:53.620 What the fuck is a bushy eyebrow, right? 0.98

01:34:55.940 That's a look at the suspect. 0.99

01:34:59.140 I mean you could make an argument that his eyebrows are bushy to a degree.

01:35:02.400 But once again, Myron, how many guys are out there who are 5'10 and up with bushy eyebrows?

01:35:08.760 That alone is not enough.

01:35:10.140 However, you don't take evidence alone.

01:35:12.820 You take evidence together, right?

01:35:14.700 So this is offered as one piece of evidence together with other circumstantial evidence that put him at the scene, including the sheath.

01:35:23.660 And I think most importantly the sheath, which we'll get to.

01:35:25.780 Yeah, absolutely.

01:35:27.000 And this is the power of – circumstantial evidence only works with other pieces of circumstantial evidence.

01:35:32.400 Yes, yes.

01:35:33.080 So they have to work together.

01:35:35.440 All right.

01:35:36.400 So, okay.

01:35:37.280 So there we go.

01:35:38.160 So they said – so he looked at his picture and he said, okay, this guy has bushy eyebrows as well.

01:35:42.220 So further investigation, including a review of Lataw County Sheriff's Deputy CPL Duke's body cam and reports,

01:35:47.340 showed that on August 21st, Brian Korberger was detained as part of a traffic stop that occurred in Moscow, India – Idaho, sorry.

01:35:53.660 Moscow, Idaho by Corporal Duke.

01:35:56.100 At the time, Korberger, who was the sole occupant, was driving a white 2015 Hyundai Elantra with Pennsylvania plate Elva FZ,

01:36:02.400 A649, which sets expire on November 30th, 2022.

01:36:06.720 During the stop, which was recorded via a law enforcement body camera, Korberger provided his phone number as they redacted the first part.

01:36:13.200 But it ends in 8458.

01:36:15.240 Here and after the 8458 phone.

01:36:17.360 Now, guys –

01:36:17.720 You might just want to say the phone or Brian's phone because saying 8458 sounds crazy.

01:36:22.900 But, yeah, you know.

01:36:24.040 So I'm just going to say Brian's phone, okay, guys?

01:36:26.440 It's his phone.

01:36:27.260 It's his phone.

01:36:27.760 We know it's his phone.

01:36:29.340 As a cellular telephone number.

01:36:30.580 Investigators conducted electronic database queries and learned that Brian's phone is a number issued by AT&T.

01:36:37.440 All right?

01:36:37.820 So he was stopped, guys, by Lataw County Sheriff's Deputy Corporal Duke.

01:36:42.440 Okay?

01:36:42.760 So he stopped by another law enforcement agency on August 21st, 2022,

01:36:46.400 and they confirmed that this guy is the actual user of this Hyundai Elantra.

01:36:50.820 On October 14th, 2022, Brian Koberger was detained as part of a traffic stop by a WSU police officer.

01:36:57.700 Upon review of that body cam and report of the stop, Koberger was the sole occupant who was driving a 2015 Hyundai Elantra Pennsylvania Play LFZ A649.

01:37:06.140 Now, why are they doing this, guys?

01:37:07.180 They're showing that he is the driver of this vehicle, and he's been stopped multiple times by law enforcement

01:37:11.420 and pretty much is the main driver of the vehicle.

01:37:14.340 This is very important for them to establish because they're trying to link it back as the suspect vehicle they saw on the camera footage from before.

01:37:19.800 On November 18th, 2022, according to Washington State Licensing, Koberger registered the 2015 White Elantra with Washington

01:37:26.920 and later received a Washington plate CFB 8708.

01:37:30.800 Prior to this time, 2015 Elantra was registered in Pennsylvania, which does not require a front license plate to be displayed.

01:37:37.780 This was learned through communications with a Pennsylvania officer who is currently certified in the state of Pennsylvania.

01:37:42.700 Based on my own experience in communication with Washington law enforcement,

01:37:46.060 I know that Idaho and Washington require front and back license plates to be displayed.

01:37:50.320 So, the fact, guys, so this is important.

01:37:53.480 The fact that the suspect vehicle only had a license plate on the back and not at the front

01:37:59.780 actually helped the police to narrow down the potential vehicles that could have been the suspect vehicle.

01:38:05.740 So, they were able to figure out, okay, this guy, okay, now that he has a Washington plate now,

01:38:11.880 but in the past, he had a Pennsylvania plate, and that only required one plate on the back, not necessarily the front.

01:38:18.240 And what does that do?

01:38:18.980 That matches him up with the suspect vehicle that they saw in the area at the time of the murder.

01:38:23.820 See how this is all linking, guys?

01:38:25.280 Right.

01:38:25.700 It wasn't that he was breaking a law because he wasn't actually breaking any laws.

01:38:28.880 He was doing what was required in Pennsylvania and what was required in Idaho and Washington.

01:38:32.240 It was the fact that it matches up.

01:38:33.740 It's consistent with the description.

01:38:35.500 Yep.

01:38:36.200 So, investigators believe that Kohlberger is still driving the 2015 white Elantra because this vehicle was captured on December 13, 2022,

01:38:42.480 by a license plate reader in Loma, Colorado, provided by a query to a database.

01:38:46.600 Okay, hold on, hold on.

01:38:47.520 Who got that information?

01:38:49.120 Who's getting that information in Colorado?

01:38:51.200 Who's getting that one, Myron?

01:38:53.460 Yo, there's license plate readers all over the country, bro.

01:38:56.260 Like, all over the country.

01:38:58.080 So, the fact that they were able to pull that, I mean, hey, that's why serial killers,

01:39:03.380 people underestimate this.

01:39:05.360 I've talked about this before, why serial killers like Ted Bundy, you know, the Night Stalker, etc.,

01:39:11.260 a lot of these serial killers that went crazy in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, a lot of, you know, Samuel Little,

01:39:16.740 a lot of them were able to get away because the interstate highway system, right, being able to move from state to state fairly easily,

01:39:23.140 law enforcement being limited, technology not being available, like license plate readers, etc.,

01:39:27.900 and forensics not being available as well.

01:39:30.320 So, you know, if this occurred in the 70s, this dude will probably be still running around killing people on college campuses.

01:39:36.740 Oh, yeah, no, there's no way.

01:39:37.740 I mean, with the amount of evidence we have here that's all digital, it's technological,

01:39:42.460 we probably would have never found this DNA evidence.

01:39:45.320 This was the 50s, 60s, 70s.

01:39:46.960 Yo, this guy's out here looking for the next murder.

01:39:49.620 100%.

01:39:50.020 Yeah.

01:39:51.300 Okay, Carburg's Elantra was then queried on December 15 by law enforcement in Hancock County, Indiana.

01:39:56.040 So I know for a fact they probably did this through, like, looking through NLTS to see who queried this car.

01:40:00.600 I was going to say, do the feds help with this?

01:40:02.240 Is this a fed thing, or could the state law enforcement access the database?

01:40:05.180 The state law enforcement could do this because everyone has access to –

01:40:07.200 Okay, they don't need the feds.

01:40:08.040 No, you don't need the feds for this one.

01:40:09.580 Everyone has access to NLTS, which is National Law Enforcement Telecommunication System, which is the state database,

01:40:15.900 and everyone has access to NCIC, which NLTS –

01:40:19.040 So NCIC is at the top, NLTS is a component of NCIC, and all state law enforcement agencies have access to it.

01:40:25.820 So they were probably able to look and see who else queried this car nationally,

01:40:29.640 and that's how they were able to identify that Hancock County queried it.

01:40:33.740 And then as far as the license plate reader goes, there's a bunch of different databases that law enforcement agencies can use

01:40:38.440 that are connected to license plate readers all over the country.

01:40:41.720 On December 16, 2022, at approximately 2.26 p.m., surveillance video showed Koberger's Elantra in Albrightesville, Pennsylvania.

01:40:49.980 The sole occupant of the vehicle is a white male whose description was consistent with Koberger.

01:40:53.560 Koberger has family in Albrightesville, Pennsylvania.

01:40:56.000 Learn through a TLO search and locate tool database query.

01:40:59.140 Okay, I used to use TLO when I was an agent.

01:41:01.080 They give you a whole bunch of –

01:41:02.720 TLO, guys, the database that typically searches through utility searches, social security number, et cetera,

01:41:09.200 to see what is registered to people, and this is how you get a bunch of information as far as like where people live, et cetera,

01:41:16.040 because when people pay bills, well, guess what?

01:41:17.760 Those bills got to be connected to some kind of address.

01:41:20.120 A lot of the times you want those bills to be connected to a correct address or, better yet,

01:41:23.940 if you're getting some kind of benefit where you're getting paid, maybe checks are being sent to you, et cetera,

01:41:27.340 you're definitely going to put the right address because you want to get paid.

01:41:30.200 So TLO pulls a lot of that data for you.

01:41:32.340 I've used TLO when I was an agent myself.

01:41:33.940 Based on information provided on the WSU website,

01:41:38.580 Kohlberger is currently a Ph.D. student in criminology at Washington State University.

01:41:43.160 Pursuant to records provided by a number of the interview panel for Pullman Police Department,

01:41:47.660 we learned that Kohlberger's past education included undergraduate degrees in psychology and cloud-based forensics.

01:41:53.700 Very interesting.

01:41:54.680 These records also showed Kohlberger wrote an essay when he applied for an internship with the Pullman Police Department in the fall of 2022.

01:42:00.120 Kohlberger wrote in this essay he had interest in assisting rural law enforcement agencies with how to better collect

01:42:06.900 and analyze technological data and public safety operations.

01:42:10.220 Oh, my God.

01:42:11.960 So here's the thing.

01:42:14.520 Imagine this guy, like this killer, ended up working with cops.

01:42:20.060 Imagine if he was in the police department at the time of the murders.

01:42:22.900 He could have well been.

01:42:24.200 This guy could have well been inside the police department and committing murders at the same time.

01:42:29.460 And this next part here, when he posted this Reddit survey, this is one that has gone crazy viral online,

01:42:35.860 one of the huge case facts people flip out about.

01:42:38.600 I'll say something about it.

01:42:40.160 I've read the survey.

01:42:41.380 He posted a question.

01:42:43.120 This was to people who have committed crimes to criminals, saying,

01:42:46.380 when you did a crime, how did you think and feel about it?

01:42:49.780 How did you think and feel about it afterwards?

01:42:51.140 I will say this is normal questions to ask for a criminology student.

01:42:58.320 That's the whole point of criminology, to understand criminals.

01:43:01.120 You got a bunch of feds studying criminology. 0.99

01:43:02.940 It's normal for them.

01:43:03.960 It's creepy when you view it knowing that he potentially did this.

01:43:10.040 When you know he's suspect number one, it makes it creepy.

01:43:14.200 It makes it really, really creepy.

01:43:16.720 But yeah, it is common that you would, for your research, you would do that.

01:43:20.900 You would ask the mind of a murderer.

01:43:22.840 That's what the FBI tries to get into, right?

01:43:25.160 You try to understand why do people kill, right?

01:43:27.100 You try to understand why do people commit crimes?

01:43:29.120 Why do people do these things?

01:43:30.760 You want to know why they commit crimes.

01:43:32.420 That's criminology. 0.97

01:43:33.420 There's 10,000 criminology students graduated every year in the United States.

01:43:37.120 Most of them aren't killers.

01:43:38.100 But sometimes you have one guy who is so obsessed with it, who probably thought about it and thought about it again.

01:43:48.580 And this paints a very scary picture.

01:43:53.340 Absolutely.

01:43:54.460 All right.

01:43:54.960 So now we're going to get into the phone data, guys.

01:43:57.520 All right.

01:43:57.700 So we got, what, two parts here.

01:43:59.200 We got physical evidence, right?

01:44:00.960 We got video surveillance.

01:44:02.940 And then we got being able to use that video evidence to identify the vehicle.

01:44:07.260 Now we're going to get into the phone stuff.

01:44:09.400 As part of this investigation, law enforcement obtained search warrants to determine cellular devices that utilize cellular towers in close proximity to the King Road residents on November 13, 2022, between 3 a.m. and 5 a.m.

01:44:19.840 After determining that Kohlberger was associated to both the 2015 Elantra and the 8458 number that we discussed earlier, investigators reviewed these search warrant returns.

01:44:28.220 A query of Kohlberger's phone in these returns did not show the phone utilizing cellular towers resourcing in close proximity to the King Road residents between 3 a.m.

01:44:38.560 and 5 a.m.

01:44:39.680 So the phone did not hit the towers, guys, on the night of the murders between 3 a.m. and 5 a.m.

01:44:46.440 Based on my training experience, the conversations with law enforcement officers that specialize in utilization of cell phone and telephone records as part of investigations,

01:44:52.900 individuals can either leave their cellular telephone at a different location before committing a crime or turn their cellular telephone off prior to going to a location to commit a crime.

01:45:01.800 This is done by subjects in an effort to avoid alerting law enforcement that a cellular device associated with them was in a particular area where a crime is committed.

01:45:09.500 I also know that on numerous occasions, subjects will surveil an area where they intend to commit a crime prior to the date of the crime, and Andrew alluded to this earlier.

01:45:17.320 Depending on the circumstances, this can be done a few days before or for several months prior to the commission of a crime.

01:45:23.620 During these types of surveillance, it is possible that an individual will not leave their cellular telephone at a separate location or turn it off since they do not plan to commit the offense on that particular day.

01:45:33.680 Let's talk about this, Byron.

01:45:34.760 I want to talk about this with you because this is where I think people think they're smart.

01:45:39.120 You know, and this guy, he was studying criminology, probably thought, you know, if, you know, assuming this guy's motive, right?

01:45:44.480 This is a lot of assumptions here, right?

01:45:45.940 But let's say you're a person who thinks they're smart.

01:45:48.700 Everybody's watched CSI.

01:45:50.200 You watch the crime shows.

01:45:51.140 You know they're going to track your cell phone.

01:45:52.500 So you're like, all right, I'm going to turn that thing off.

01:45:55.040 I'm going to, I'm not going to have that thing on.

01:45:56.360 I'm having an airplane mode, right?

01:45:58.340 And yeah, they can't track it then.

01:46:00.160 But guess what?

01:46:01.520 Guess what?

01:46:02.220 If you've been in the area before or after that day, they're going to figure that out.

01:46:06.540 They're going to enter that evidence.

01:46:08.300 Did you have your phone off at all times, at all times where you were at all relevant places?

01:46:14.320 Probably not.

01:46:15.160 A lot of people think they're smart.

01:46:17.520 This just shows he was not as smart as, well, he probably thought he was.

01:46:22.500 Yeah, so no, that's a good point.

01:46:25.300 And just for the audience, so you guys can understand this.

01:46:28.540 So the way that law enforcement does this, when it comes to like cell phone towers, et

01:46:33.060 cetera, you could do what you call a historical ping, okay?

01:46:36.940 This is what we call in law enforcement is a historical ping warrant where you could write

01:46:40.640 a search warrant.

01:46:41.200 If you believe that an individual was in a certain location during the commission of

01:46:44.400 a crime and they had their cell phone with them, you can articulate, yo, I think this

01:46:48.560 person was at this time and you could write up a search warrant.

01:46:50.360 You write the search warrant up and what happens is you give that search warrant to the phone

01:46:53.800 company.

01:46:54.140 In this case, they're going to give it to AT&T.

01:46:56.000 AT&T, right?

01:46:58.640 You write an affidavit just like this, articulating your facts.

01:47:01.720 You get assigned by a judge.

01:47:03.080 You get a search warrant.

01:47:04.080 Bam.

01:47:04.280 Give the AT&T the search warrant package.

01:47:08.700 They go ahead and give you all the location data.

01:47:11.580 Now, this is really big for law enforcement guys to establish a pattern, a subject's pattern

01:47:17.260 of movement.

01:47:18.120 If they were at a certain area in the commission of a crime, et cetera, because you can't really

01:47:22.340 dispute cell phone data.

01:47:24.480 And this guy's, this type of data is what I would call almost irrefutable.

01:47:27.860 All right.

01:47:28.140 You think, really, Myron, do you think it's irrefutable data?

01:47:31.220 I mean, irrefutable as far as like the phone was at this location at this time.

01:47:35.140 Okay.

01:47:35.420 Because the way I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, the way I understand triangulation

01:47:38.740 works, it can put you in a general area, but it can't put you in a specific spot, right?

01:47:45.200 Because it's got to say, okay, you were in this general area, right?

01:47:49.080 Or the phone was in the general area, right?

01:47:51.120 But it can't say you were exactly here.

01:47:53.260 It can kind of say it's triangulation, right?

01:47:55.760 So it depends.

01:47:56.560 Oh, go ahead.

01:47:57.160 Go ahead, please.

01:47:57.660 No, no.

01:47:57.880 And also, like, it depends on how many towers, right?

01:47:59.580 Because if it's two towers only, it could be a wide area.

01:48:02.620 It could be a five-mile area, two-mile area, right?

01:48:05.180 And in rural areas, the towers might be further apart.

01:48:08.220 So you might actually be dealing with an area where some of these pings are coming from

01:48:12.360 towers that are quite far away.

01:48:13.980 Yeah.

01:48:14.280 So, okay.

01:48:14.800 So that's a good point.

01:48:16.500 So when I used to do this myself, right, and I used to write these types of warrants,

01:48:19.620 the type of data you got was heavily contingent upon the service provider.

01:48:24.460 So I'll give you an example.

01:48:25.800 T-Mobile gives you fantastic location data. 0.99

01:48:28.400 It's down to the meter almost, which is not why WMLE fuck. 0.99

01:48:31.960 Yeah. 0.99

01:48:32.560 Right?

01:48:32.860 From my personal experience, I remember this.

01:48:35.500 T-Mobile would give you fantastic stuff.

01:48:37.340 So anytime I saw a guy and they were using a T-Mobile phone, because first, what you have

01:48:41.360 to do is you have to subpoena the phone and figure out, you know, are they a subscriber

01:48:45.000 and what service it is? 0.99

01:48:46.080 If it was T-Mobile, I was like, fuck yeah. 0.98

01:48:47.660 Because they're law enforcement liaisons that help you out with this stuff. 0.97

01:48:53.480 A lot of the times the data comes back very good because I don't know what it is about

01:48:57.020 T-Mobile towers, but they're able to point it down sometimes to the meter.

01:49:00.100 How's AT&T?

01:49:00.900 How's AT&T?

01:49:01.860 Not as good depending on where it is.

01:49:03.660 It's really contingent upon where it is.

01:49:05.900 So in a rural area like this, yeah, you might not get it down to the meter.

01:49:09.500 You might get it, you know, in a general area based on what it is.

01:49:13.040 But the point is, is that it's irrefutable as far as like it will determine that, yo,

01:49:17.880 the phone was in this area at this time with a general, with a general, like, you know,

01:49:23.560 distance of what area of where it would, where it would have been in.

01:49:27.640 So it's really good for establishing that someone was in an area at a certain day and

01:49:32.800 time and depending on the service provider, depending on the cell towers, depending on

01:49:36.720 the area, depending on all this other stuff, they can point it down even to the meter to

01:49:40.180 some degree, which is why.

01:49:41.520 Quick question, quick question.

01:49:42.400 What was the most trash tier data?

01:49:44.000 Like, is it, we got cricket up in here?

01:49:45.660 Like, what was the, what was the worst?

01:49:47.060 Who gave you the worst data?

01:49:48.200 It's funny because a lot of the times, like the shittier cell phone providers have more

01:49:52.200 accurate data. 0.86

01:49:54.240 T-Mobile sucks, but like they would get it down to the meter, which is why 1W Melly is 1.00

01:49:57.940 fucked. 1.00

01:49:58.300 Like his provider was T-Mobile and they had him down to the meter when he was doing all that 1.00

01:50:01.560 bullshit, uh, trying to cover up the crime. 0.89

01:50:03.660 But like, like Verizon, for example, is, is not as good for somebody. 1.00

01:50:08.200 That's funny.

01:50:09.160 It's really weird, dude.

01:50:10.100 Yeah.

01:50:10.960 I remember.

01:50:11.680 Yeah.

01:50:11.880 If Verizon gave me a hard time sometimes as far as like accuracy.

01:50:15.300 That's funny.

01:50:16.040 All right.

01:50:16.340 No, that's good to know.

01:50:17.320 See, that's good to know that a very strong provider, that's something guys, you're only

01:50:20.360 going to get here.

01:50:20.800 You only get from Myron, a guy who's actually looked at this type of data and actually says,

01:50:24.680 Hey, it just depends.

01:50:25.560 We really don't know yet.

01:50:26.920 So that's fantastic.

01:50:27.800 Thank you, Myron.

01:50:28.540 No, no, no.

01:50:28.840 Of course, of course, man.

01:50:29.760 But yeah, AT&T can be spotty for sure.

01:50:31.840 AT&T can absolutely be spotty.

01:50:33.560 Um, but from what I remember, T-Mobile gave the best on December 23rd, 2022, our platform

01:50:38.640 was granted a search warrant for historical phone records between November 12th.

01:50:42.160 And this is what we call a historical ping warrant, right?

01:50:44.540 In the law enforcement world, uh, for historical phone records between November 12th, 2022

01:50:48.300 at 12 AM and November 14th at 12 AM for the, uh, for Kohlberger's phone held by the phone

01:50:53.940 provider, AT&T.

01:50:54.860 And he bid this approximately 24 hours proceeding and following the times of the homicides, which

01:50:58.660 is good that he did this so he can narrow it down.

01:51:00.200 Right?

01:51:00.380 So on December 23rd, 2022, he gets the stuff back and it says, pursuant to that search

01:51:04.900 warrant, I received records for a Kohlberger's phone from AT&T.

01:51:07.500 These records indicated that the phone is subscribed to Brian Kohlberg at an address in

01:51:11.900 Albright'sville, Pennsylvania.

01:51:13.460 And the account has been open since June 23rd, 2022.

01:51:17.100 These records also include historical cell site location information, CSLI for Kohlberger's

01:51:22.840 phone.

01:51:23.240 So historical cell site location guys information basically is like, where was the phone on

01:51:27.920 certain dates and times?

01:51:28.920 That's I'll boil it down for you.

01:51:30.200 I'll get, it could get a little bit more complex than that, but that's basically what it is.

01:51:32.780 OK, now this goes to this is where the FBI comes in, because remember, guys, this is a

01:51:38.440 corporal.

01:51:39.120 He doesn't do investigations.

01:51:40.620 This is now you're getting into more sophisticated methodologies of conducting an investigation.

01:51:45.040 And he's not going to know how to interpret this data.

01:51:47.560 Right.

01:51:47.960 So he goes ahead and consults with the FBI special agent that is a certified member of

01:51:51.380 the cellular analysis survey team.

01:51:54.180 So they went hard.

01:51:55.200 They want someone from CAST.

01:51:56.640 All right.

01:51:58.400 Members of CAST are certified with the FBI to provide expert testimony in the field of

01:52:01.860 historical CSLI and are required to pass extensive training that include both written

01:52:06.040 and practical examinations prior to be certified with CAST, as well as the completion of yearly

01:52:10.360 certification requirements.

01:52:11.400 Additionally, the FBI CAST essay that a special agent that it consults with has over 15 years

01:52:15.940 of federal law enforcement experience, which includes six years with the FBI from information

01:52:19.660 provided by CAST, I was able to determine estimated locations for the Coburg phone from

01:52:24.720 November 12th, 2022 to November 13th, 2022, the period authorized by the court.

01:52:29.440 So this is this is a good job by this corporal.

01:52:31.860 He went above and beyond and actually got an expert to help him interpret this data.

01:52:36.180 Now, myself, you know, I used to interpret this data myself all the time.

01:52:39.400 I didn't call nobody from CAST.

01:52:40.660 What the hell?

01:52:41.120 I could do it myself.

01:52:42.500 Well, are they good, though?

01:52:43.600 Are they do they have do they have a good reputation?

01:52:45.580 Like, are they are they you know, are they people that that you'd heard about?

01:52:49.840 You know, what did you know about these guys?

01:52:51.360 Yeah.

01:52:51.540 So I'll be honest with you.

01:52:52.360 I didn't even know that the bureau had a cellular analysis survey team because normally

01:52:57.140 when I had trial.

01:52:57.940 Right.

01:52:58.100 And I was using phone data.

01:52:59.480 I would call someone from the phone company themselves to come and testify.

01:53:04.860 So but the FBI is a big agency, so I'm not surprised that they have their own agents

01:53:08.600 that can be expert, provide expert testimony, this type of stuff.

01:53:12.780 But me as a agent, when I went to trial and I use phone data, I would call someone from

01:53:16.840 that cell phone provider.

01:53:18.520 Right.

01:53:18.900 That's a law enforcement liaison to come in and testify to the data.

01:53:22.040 But I would interpret the data myself because I would look at it because I did a lot of

01:53:24.980 cases that were drugs and human smuggling, also the stuff.

01:53:27.720 And a lot of times these cases are conspiracy cases.

01:53:30.340 And whenever you have conspiracy cases, well, how do they communicate?

01:53:33.580 Well, through phones.

01:53:34.100 So for me, I got really good really quickly at, you know, looking at cell phone data to

01:53:39.080 connect criminals, et cetera, you know, using pen registers, using trap and traces, which

01:53:42.240 he's going to get into here.

01:53:43.080 And I'll explain that for y'all as well.

01:53:44.080 They talk about that, right?

01:53:45.540 Yeah.

01:53:45.860 And I'll talk about that for y'all because I used to do this stuff myself.

01:53:48.560 So give me a man. 0.56

01:53:49.880 Yeah.

01:53:50.080 Where are you going to get this?

01:53:51.360 Where are you going to get this?

01:53:52.600 To somebody who's done this, someone who can break it down.

01:53:55.140 It's not, it doesn't exist on the internet. 1.00

01:53:56.340 You get a bunch of fools who don't know what the fuck they're talking about. 1.00

01:53:58.540 They don't know the actual practice and they don't know the law. 1.00

01:54:01.080 Guys, smash the like button, guys.

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01:54:03.920 Subscribe to Legal Minds.

01:54:04.900 Subscribe to Fed1811 because nobody's going to be able to tell you because I actually look

01:54:08.360 at it, look, have done these search warrants.

01:54:10.180 I've done hundreds of them.

01:54:11.220 And I've also interpreted that data.

01:54:12.920 And I know exactly how this stuff is.

01:54:14.280 So I can go into a little bit more detail to explain to you guys how these search warrants

01:54:17.960 work, how the data is interpreted, et cetera.

01:54:20.120 Okay.

01:54:20.380 But this guy, right, this corporal, right, obviously he's not used to this type of, this is

01:54:24.460 what I'll call like sophisticated investigative techniques here.

01:54:27.520 So obviously he's going to go ahead and consult with someone from the FBI that's involved

01:54:31.680 in this investigation and get an expert that can actually help him with this, which is

01:54:34.500 really good on his part.

01:54:36.100 On November 13th at approximately 2.42 a.m., the Coburger's phone utilizing cellular

01:54:40.380 resource to provide coverage to 1630 Northeast Valley Road.

01:54:43.080 Remember, guys, that's his apartment in Pullman, Washington, at Pullman, Washington, here

01:54:49.200 and after the Coburger residence.

01:54:50.640 At approximately 2.47 a.m., right, this is on November 13th, the day of the murder.

01:54:54.360 At approximately 2.47 a.m., the phone number utilized cellular resources to provide coverage

01:54:59.320 Southeast corner, coverage Southeast of the Coburger residence, consistent with the Coburger

01:55:04.440 phone leaving the Coburger residence and traveling south through Pullman, Washington.

01:55:08.700 This is consistent with the movement of the white Elantra.

01:55:11.400 At approximately 2.47 a.m., the Coburger phone stops reporting to the network, which is

01:55:15.320 consistent with either the phone being in an area without cellular coverage, the connection

01:55:19.300 to the network is disabled, such as putting the phone in airplane mode, or that the phone

01:55:22.840 is turned off.

01:55:23.940 So the phone, guys, right, starts traveling south and west almost, right, maybe towards

01:55:30.780 Moscow.

01:55:31.320 They don't know.

01:55:32.180 But the phone is turned off at 2.47 a.m.

01:55:34.660 And we know, and by the way, we know because it's not turned on again until 4.48 that it's

01:55:39.860 almost entirely turned off.

01:55:42.600 It's not an area without coverage because once they turn it back on, where is it?

01:55:47.120 It's south of Moscow.

01:55:48.400 Yeah, exactly.

01:55:49.720 And here's the other important thing.

01:55:51.400 They tracked the phone with the surveillance footage, right, that they had of the Elantra.

01:55:58.080 So regardless of the fact that he turned his phone off and AT&T was no longer able to ping

01:56:03.320 the phone, they had the surveillance footage and they were able to take the independent

01:56:08.060 data from the phone as well as the independent data from their surveillance cameras and put

01:56:12.400 them together to create this timeline.

01:56:13.940 All right.

01:56:15.220 All right.

01:56:15.840 So let's keep going.

01:56:16.760 So the Kohlberger phone does not report to the network again until approximately 4.48 a.m.,

01:56:22.440 at which time it utilized cellular resources that provide coverage to ID State Highway 95

01:56:28.220 south of Moscow, ID near Blaine, Idaho, north of Janice.

01:56:32.800 So if I'm not mistaken, that guy is right 95.

01:56:40.620 Oh, right here.

01:56:41.840 So he was on this highway for some odd reason to some degree, it looks like.

01:56:45.980 Right?

01:56:46.620 That's what they're saying in the affidavit?

01:56:49.680 Yeah.

01:56:50.260 Yeah.

01:56:50.860 Yeah.

01:56:51.300 Covered highway south of, yeah.

01:56:53.420 Oh, highway 95 south of Moscow, ID near Blaine, Idaho.

01:56:56.540 So he was over here somewhere.

01:56:59.300 Let me see if I can see Blaine, Idaho, anywhere here.

01:57:03.360 Oh, right here.

01:57:04.180 Bam.

01:57:04.580 All right.

01:57:05.420 This is where it was like hitting in this general area here, guys.

01:57:08.980 All right.

01:57:09.820 At what time?

01:57:10.900 This was at 4 at around 4.48 a.m.

01:57:15.060 is when it comes back on.

01:57:17.480 All right.

01:57:17.960 Between 4.50 a.m. and 5.26 a.m., the phone utilized the cellular resources that are

01:57:21.600 consistent with the Coburg phone traveling south on Idaho State Highway 95 to Janice, Idaho,

01:57:27.860 then traveling west towards Unintown, Idaho, and then back north into Pullman, Washington.

01:57:34.020 Okay.

01:57:34.400 Fantastic.

01:57:34.960 So now we got his route.

01:57:36.140 Right?

01:57:36.720 So basically, he went south into Janice.

01:57:42.400 Right?

01:57:43.160 And then he comes back and then comes back up this way to Pullman, which is a very strange

01:57:50.460 route to take. 1.00

01:57:51.500 But, hell, he probably is like, bro, I don't want to be anywhere near this shit. 1.00

01:57:55.320 I want to go for a drive. 1.00

01:57:56.400 He probably just killed four people.

01:57:57.240 Who knows what his mindset was at this point.

01:57:59.580 Right?

01:58:01.060 But this is the, it seems that this is the route that was taken.

01:58:05.180 Going back to the affidavit.

01:58:07.740 Yeah.

01:58:08.120 And then, and then, and then north back into Pullman.

01:58:10.540 Yeah.

01:58:10.700 So, Uniontown, Idaho.

01:58:12.380 Uniontown is right.

01:58:15.180 How far south did he go?

01:58:16.380 Janice, what the hell is, y'all see, you see Uniontown anywhere here, Andrew?

01:58:25.840 Uniontown?

01:58:26.800 I believe that was to the right.

01:58:31.100 Yeah, once again, these small, these small places. 1.00

01:58:38.720 Yeah, bro, this shit is a middle of nowhere. 0.99

01:58:40.380 But y'all get the idea. 0.99

01:58:41.600 He came down and then came back and then went west and then went back up into Pullman through

01:58:46.420 this, one of these routes here.

01:58:48.600 Okay?

01:58:50.040 After the, on the day of the murders.

01:58:51.420 I found it.

01:58:53.780 It's so, it's so, dude, it's so small.

01:58:56.000 It's so small.

01:58:56.900 Yeah, it's south.

01:58:58.020 It's halfway between Lewiston and there.

01:59:01.700 So, go right north of, okay, see that kind of square?

01:59:03.440 There you go.

01:59:03.740 Uniontown.

01:59:04.180 See it?

01:59:05.840 White line.

01:59:06.640 Go down right.

01:59:08.120 Oh, okay.

01:59:08.660 Okay.

01:59:08.920 My bad.

01:59:09.560 So, he went down this way and then came back up this way.

01:59:11.960 All right.

01:59:12.420 Yep.

01:59:13.280 So, he did a detour.

01:59:14.420 That's a, that's a, that's a real detour right there.

01:59:16.860 So, this is his route, guys.

01:59:17.760 So, the phone gets turned back on right around this area at 448 a.m.

01:59:21.140 And then he comes all the way down here, then comes back, crosses the state border,

01:59:24.540 and then comes back up this way into Pullman.

01:59:30.800 He probably didn't want to be anywhere near the area.

01:59:33.220 Well, and he probably thought he was being smart.

01:59:35.180 He was like, oh, look at me.

01:59:36.260 I went far out of my way.

01:59:38.100 I went way out of my way.

01:59:39.620 Exactly.

01:59:40.880 Yep.

01:59:42.800 Okay.

01:59:44.420 Let's see here.

01:59:44.980 So, at approximately 530 a.m., the Kohlberger phone is a resource that provides coverage

01:59:50.400 to Pullman, Washington, and consistent with the phone traveling back to the Kohlberger residence.

01:59:53.960 So, by 530 a.m., guys, he's almost home.

01:59:57.420 Kohlberger's phone movements are consistent with that, with the movements of white Elantra

02:00:00.280 that observed traveling north on Stadium Drive at approximately 527 a.m.

02:00:03.700 Based on a review of Kohlberger's estimate, phone, estimated location to travel,

02:00:08.600 the phone travel is consistent with that of the white Elantra.

02:00:10.760 So, again, guys, they're comparing the cell phone stuff with the surveillance footage

02:00:15.700 because, as you guys can see, he had the phone turned off for a significant part of his travel.

02:00:21.720 Further review indicated the Kohlberger phone utilized cellular resources on November 13,

02:00:25.520 2022 that are consistent with the Kohlberger phone leaving the area of Kohlberger residence

02:00:28.720 at approximately 9 a.m. and traveling to Moscow, Idaho.

02:00:32.220 Specifically, the Kohlberger phone utilized cellular resources that would provide coverage

02:00:35.380 to the King Road residences between 9 to 12 a.m. and 9 to 21 a.m.

02:00:38.720 The phone, next, utilized cellular resources that are consistent with the phone traveling back

02:00:43.520 to the area of the Kohlberger residence and arriving to the area at approximately 9.32.

02:00:47.420 So, he went back to Moscow at around 9 in the morning.

02:00:53.120 Yeah, at around 9.12.

02:00:54.920 Yeah.

02:00:55.600 He was in the area.

02:00:57.100 He went back there.

02:00:58.040 So, imagine what he did now.

02:00:59.040 So, this is more evidence.

02:01:00.420 He went back.

02:01:02.080 This is what the phone resources are saying, that he went back.

02:01:04.700 And as long as it's reliable evidence, which Byron is pointing out here, this is pretty

02:01:08.100 damn good evidence.

02:01:09.000 This is pretty strong evidence that he went back. 0.99

02:01:12.680 What type of person?

02:01:13.520 First of all, what business did you have on that road?

02:01:16.100 Like I said, it is a small residential street.

02:01:19.020 You only go down that street if you really live on that street.

02:01:22.360 It's not like this is a dense urban area.

02:01:24.260 You're taking a shortcut through a random road.

02:01:26.660 No, you're going back.

02:01:27.980 Who does that?

02:01:29.020 And it goes back to motive.

02:01:30.260 It goes back to somebody who did something, wants to see if the police are there, wants to

02:01:33.420 see what's going on.

02:01:34.860 So, this is very, very, very suspect behavior.

02:01:38.620 And here's another thing, too.

02:01:39.600 Just so y'all know, the police weren't called until about 12.

02:01:42.420 So, he was able to go into the area, and there wasn't law enforcement presence yet.

02:01:46.100 So, he was able to freely drive around, see what's going on.

02:01:48.920 Okay, the cops aren't here yet.

02:01:49.980 Okay, I'm going back.

02:01:51.340 So, and remember, guys, this is only 10 or 11 miles from his house.

02:01:54.940 So, he's able to quickly go over there, check it out, see what's going on.

02:01:57.880 Police aren't there.

02:01:58.580 All right, cool.

02:01:59.200 So, why would he be there on a Sunday, right, to check it out at 9 o'clock in the morning?

02:02:03.820 Because I know his defense might say, well, yo, it's possible that he could be in that

02:02:07.220 area because, you know, it's a party town.

02:02:09.140 People come in all the time.

02:02:10.680 He might know some people in that area.

02:02:12.140 Okay, cool.

02:02:12.800 That's a good defense.

02:02:14.400 But why would he be there on the day of the murders, five hours after the fact?

02:02:19.460 Why?

02:02:20.660 Right?

02:02:20.900 On a Sunday.

02:02:21.880 That makes no sense.

02:02:22.760 So, here's the route that he took, guys, which we actually mapped it out earlier as to when 0.99

02:02:26.860 he was driving back after the murder, which we mapped it out for y'all because that shit 1.00

02:02:31.640 is trash. 1.00

02:02:32.120 But this is it right here. 1.00

02:02:32.820 Bam.

02:02:34.080 Come up this way.

02:02:35.180 And he took a whole roundabout route to do it.

02:02:37.600 Okay?

02:02:37.980 Which probably added a significant amount of time to his drive.

02:02:41.940 All right.

02:02:42.420 Investigators found that the phone did not connect to a cell phone tower that provides

02:02:46.980 service to Moscow on November 14, 2022.

02:02:49.760 But investigators do believe that the phone was in Moscow on that day.

02:02:53.620 The 8458 phone has not connected to any towers that provide service to Moscow since that day.

02:02:58.700 So, he hasn't been back there, guys, since the 14th for obvious reasons.

02:03:03.060 Based on my trade experience and the facts of the investigation thus far, I believe that

02:03:06.060 Koberger, the user of the phone, was likely the driver of the white launcher that observed

02:03:10.880 departing Pullman, Washington, and that this vehicle is likely suspect vehicle one.

02:03:16.460 Additionally, the route of travel for the phone during the early morning hours of November

02:03:20.580 13, 2022, and the lack of Koberger's phone reported to AT&T between 2.47 a.m. and 4.48

02:03:26.640 a.m. is consistent with Koberger attempting to conceal his location during the quadruple homicide

02:03:31.920 that occurred on King Road residence.

02:03:35.000 On December 23, I was granted a search warrant for Koberger's historical cell site data.

02:03:40.880 From June 23, 2022, to current prospective location information and a pen register and

02:03:45.380 trap and trace on the 8458 phone to aid in efforts to determine if Koberger's stock

02:03:50.080 in this case, prior to the defense, conducted surveillance on the King Road residence, was

02:03:55.620 in contact with any of the victims' associates before or after the alleged offense, any location

02:03:59.140 that may contain evidence of the murders that occurred on November 13, 2022.

02:04:02.300 The location of Lowe White, Elantra registered to Koberger, as well as the location of Koberger.

02:04:06.180 That was a mouthful.

02:04:06.660 First of all, what they're talking about is the amalgamation of evidence.

02:04:10.760 So based on all of that evidence taken together, that's enough to issue the search warrant.

02:04:16.720 So that was the basis for the search warrant.

02:04:18.440 They had enough at that point, which I would agree with.

02:04:20.400 I would agree they met their legal burden to get a search warrant at that point.

02:04:23.760 Myron, can you explain what a pen register and a trap trace is?

02:04:27.960 Because I think that's something that when it's like pen register, I got a pen right here.

02:04:32.020 I don't think you're talking about that type of pen I'm talking about.

02:04:34.280 Can you explain that a little?

02:04:35.340 Yeah, I'll break this down.

02:04:36.160 I've done so many of these guys.

02:04:37.640 So a pen register guy's trap and trace is basically, it's not even a search warrant, guys.

02:04:41.380 It's actually a court order.

02:04:42.380 All you need is reasonable suspicion to get one.

02:04:44.980 But what a trap and trace does is it gives the agent or the affiance or whoever is requesting

02:04:50.220 the court order access to the phone to look at every person they contact real time.

02:04:57.780 Okay?

02:04:58.420 That's crazy.

02:04:59.260 That is crazy.

02:04:59.880 Yeah, so let's say I do a trap and trace on Andrew's phone, right?

02:05:03.860 Right. 0.99

02:05:04.140 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:05:04.740 I'm shit. 1.00

02:05:05.380 My DMs, man. 1.00

02:05:06.160 All right.

02:05:06.940 Now, it doesn't tell me where the phone is, right?

02:05:08.740 That's a search.

02:05:09.420 You would need to do a ping warrant to do that.

02:05:11.100 Okay?

02:05:11.260 That's the important distinction.

02:05:12.200 That needs a search warrant.

02:05:13.100 But to do a trap and trace, aka a pen register, all that needs is a court order, which is required

02:05:16.840 for reasonable suspicion.

02:05:17.820 You don't even need probable cause for it.

02:05:19.380 What it does is it tells me real time who he's contacting, which number, and whether it's a phone

02:05:25.540 call or a text message.

02:05:26.560 So it tells me who he's contacting real time.

02:05:29.360 That's all I see.

02:05:30.200 I don't see the contents of the information.

02:05:32.220 I don't see any real.

02:05:34.080 Sometimes they give you duration of like how long the phone call was or whatever.

02:05:36.840 But in general, it just tells you who he's contacting.

02:05:39.260 And the reason why they're doing a pen register is they want to see, yo, did he contact any

02:05:43.740 of the victims?

02:05:44.380 Did he have communication with them, et cetera?

02:05:45.880 Which to me kind of seems a little weird, but you could get historical stuff as well with

02:05:50.180 the trap and trace.

02:05:50.840 And they also want to see who he's calling at the time that they're looking at him.

02:05:55.140 They want to see if he's calling any other co-conspirators.

02:05:58.580 They're trying to see if he committed this crime by himself.

02:06:01.000 Is he contacting maybe a car washing business?

02:06:03.880 Maybe is he contacting other people that might try to help him get rid of evidence?

02:06:06.880 So they're seeing a real time who he's communicating with and who he's in contact with so they

02:06:11.580 can identify other co-conspirators.

02:06:13.160 This is really important drug investigations, right?

02:06:15.040 So if I know I have an individual who's committing drug trafficking offenses, for example, and

02:06:18.960 I know he's utilizing his phone to commit these offenses, I will go ahead and do a trap

02:06:22.420 and trace on his phone.

02:06:23.160 And what that will allow me to do is it will allow me to identify maybe a source of supply,

02:06:27.240 runners, money couriers, other members of the organization, et cetera.

02:06:30.880 So trap and traces are really good for identifying other members of some type of conspiracy and

02:06:36.540 see who the hell they're communicating with.

02:06:38.300 Now, a pen register trap and trace is required for you to get what I call a Title III intercept,

02:06:42.680 which is listening to phones, because you need to establish that the phone is dirty.

02:06:45.980 He's communicating with criminals through the pen register.

02:06:48.680 Then you write a Title III affidavit saying, I need to see the contents of this communication

02:06:54.860 that I'm getting real time because I know it's criminal activity.

02:06:57.360 I've identified some of these phone numbers you need to contact with as drug traffickers.

02:07:00.880 So that's how a trap and trace is typically utilized in investigations.

02:07:04.600 So this is a little bit overkill for a murder case.

02:07:06.720 I ain't going to lie to y'all, but this is them going really hard and trying to identify

02:07:10.640 other people that may have been involved in this thing.

02:07:14.400 Guys, I'd like to get a breakdown, man.

02:07:17.540 So, yeah, they went hard.

02:07:19.680 So they want to go ahead and get everything in regards to this phone.

02:07:24.120 On December 23rd, 2022, pursuant to that search warrant, I received historical records for

02:07:29.260 the for the Kohlberger phone from AT&T from the time the account was open in June 22.

02:07:33.420 So they got everything now after consulting with the cash special agent.

02:07:37.320 Right.

02:07:37.480 Remember, guys, this is the FBI agent that is a expert when it comes to phone data.

02:07:41.180 I was able to determine estimated locations for the phone from June 22 to present.

02:07:45.420 The time period authorized by the court.

02:07:47.200 Now, this is a big find.

02:07:47.900 And Andrew alluded to this earlier.

02:07:48.980 The phone records for the phone for Kohlberger's phone show the phone utilizing cellular resources

02:07:53.820 to provide coverage to the area of one one two two King Road on at least 12 occasions prior

02:08:00.000 to November 13th, 2022.

02:08:02.060 All these occasions, except for one, occurred in the late evening and early morning hours

02:08:06.500 of their respective days.

02:08:07.900 Think about this, guys.

02:08:10.160 He is there in the morning, in the late evening, early morning hours, unless he is showing up

02:08:17.620 to smash.

02:08:18.520 Like, why are you in that area?

02:08:21.240 Like, what reason could you possibly have to be in that area during the early morning

02:08:26.020 hours?

02:08:26.500 Why?

02:08:27.040 Why?

02:08:27.680 That's facts.

02:08:28.400 I mean, yeah.

02:08:29.000 I mean, so and also, guys, right?

02:08:31.840 I'll tell you guys this was serial killers and murders.

02:08:33.800 A lot of the times, especially guys that are premeditated.

02:08:35.440 The BTK, bound, torture, kill, serial killer that went, you know, that terrorized Wichita, 0.93

02:08:40.740 Kansas for 30 years.

02:08:41.840 He used to stalk all of his victims for months.

02:08:44.480 Okay.

02:08:45.000 For months, he would get their pattern on life, know who lived in a house, et cetera, plan

02:08:49.160 their stuff out.

02:08:50.020 So they were able, right?

02:08:51.900 Because on the day of the murder, his phone, right?

02:08:54.480 They can't, it wasn't in the area, right?

02:08:56.560 Because it was turned off.

02:08:57.500 But prior to the murder, they caught him 12 different times in that area, in that vicinity

02:09:03.140 at odd hours of the day and or night, right?

02:09:06.980 So that's strange, right?

02:09:08.960 Definitely some more circumstantial evidence, right?

02:09:10.980 Does that mean it's-

02:09:11.900 Once again, it doesn't prove his guilt alone, but taken together, it's starting to look really,

02:09:16.700 really bad.

02:09:17.480 This is a very small residential road.

02:09:20.540 You don't just roll down here.

02:09:21.840 It's not on the way to Pizza Hut.

02:09:23.240 It's not on the way to a bar.

02:09:24.700 It's not downtown.

02:09:25.700 This is a random residential road.

02:09:27.100 You do not go in this 12 times unless you've got a reason to go on it 12 times.

02:09:30.780 Absolutely.

02:09:31.140 I mean, and I'll show you guys, I think I have a map here.

02:09:34.300 Yeah.

02:09:34.780 So here's the area, guys.

02:09:35.920 There ain't nothing out here.

02:09:37.140 Just a bunch of houses.

02:09:38.600 You know what I mean?

02:09:38.940 There's really nothing out here.

02:09:40.500 So if you're going here, you more than likely live here.

02:09:43.620 There's no other reason for you to come out here, right?

02:09:48.560 Okay.

02:09:49.120 On one of these occasions, on August 21st, 2022, the phone utilized cellular resource providing

02:09:53.900 coverage to the King Road County residents, King Road residents at approximately 1034 PM

02:09:58.360 to 1135 PM, at approximately 1137 PM, Coburger was stopped by Lataw County Sheriff's Deputy

02:10:03.240 Corporal Duke, as mentioned above.

02:10:05.520 The phone was utilizing cellular resource consistent with the location of the traffic

02:10:09.840 stop during this time, Farm Road and Pullman Highway.

02:10:12.600 So guys, this is huge.

02:10:14.180 So they stopped him, a county sheriff's deputy stopped him on August 21st, 2022, when he

02:10:20.240 was in the area from 1034 to 1135 PM.

02:10:23.060 So he was only there for 10 minutes.

02:10:24.440 What are you doing there?

02:10:25.620 Yep.

02:10:26.440 Very, very, very, very short period of time.

02:10:28.800 What are you doing there?

02:10:29.420 Were you there for a party?

02:10:30.220 Clearly not.

02:10:31.320 What were you doing there?

02:10:32.900 Right?

02:10:33.520 So again, does that mean he's guilty?

02:10:35.480 Who knows?

02:10:35.820 Maybe he wants to go pick up something from a friend. 0.98

02:10:37.660 Maybe he wants to go get a handjob. 0.98

02:10:39.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:10:39.800 Right? 0.99

02:10:40.120 That's a quick handjob. 0.87

02:10:41.120 But either way, we don't, we don't know.

02:10:42.520 And we don't know.

02:10:42.940 And by the way, you know, a lot of the theories on this are that maybe he was sleeping with

02:10:46.340 one of the roommates and there was something secret going on.

02:10:48.540 That's some of the defense theories.

02:10:49.720 And once again, reasonable doubt means you just got to prove one thing.

02:10:52.400 You got to poke a hole in one piece of evidence.

02:10:54.360 Yeah.

02:10:54.460 So all they got to do on the defense is poke one hole in this evidence.

02:10:57.660 Now the evidence is not looking good for him so far.

02:10:59.440 It's looking really bad.

02:11:00.380 Yeah, they just got to find one hole and make one theory of the case.

02:11:04.140 And also keep in mind, guys, he didn't give a statement to the police intelligently.

02:11:06.780 So, so they don't know anything yet.

02:11:09.920 So further analysis, the cellular data provided showed that the phone utilized cellular resource

02:11:15.680 on November 13, 2022, consistent with the phone traveling from Pullman, Washington to

02:11:19.240 Lewiston, Idaho via US Highway 195 at approximately 1236 p.m.

02:11:24.940 The phone utilized cellular resources that would provide coverage to Kate's cup of Joe

02:11:29.620 coffee stand located at 810 Port Drive, Clarkson, Washington.

02:11:32.860 Surveillance footage from the US Chef's store located at 820 Port Drive, Clarkson, Washington

02:11:37.600 and adjacent to Kate's cup of Joe showed on a white launcher consistent with suspect vehicle

02:11:41.780 one drive past Kate's cup of Joe with the cellular data from the phone.

02:11:46.040 All right.

02:11:46.260 Now, is this paragraph necessary?

02:11:47.940 Not necessarily.

02:11:48.860 But what they're doing, guys, they're showing you that he was in the area, right?

02:11:53.940 They were giving you his travel basically during the day of the murder is what they're

02:11:57.840 basically telling you, right?

02:11:59.560 Yep.

02:12:00.280 So at approximately 1246 p.m., the phone was then utilized cellular data in the area of

02:12:05.920 the Albertsons grocery store at 400 Bridge Street in Clarkson, Washington.

02:12:09.580 Surveillance footage obtained from the Albertsons showed Kohlberger exit the white launcher

02:12:13.480 consistent with suspect vehicle one at approximately 1249 p.m.

02:12:16.440 Interior surveillance cameras showed Kohlberger walk through the store, purchase unknown items

02:12:19.780 at the checkout and leave at approximately 104 p.m.

02:12:21.860 Kohlberger's possible path of travel is depicted below.

02:12:24.000 So as you can see, they're getting a timeline of everything he was doing that day.

02:12:28.420 They're looking at his phone.

02:12:29.380 They're looking at the surveillance footage.

02:12:30.620 They're going to the businesses, getting the surveillance footage.

02:12:33.840 So they are getting an indisputable account of events that he can't sit there and argue 1.00

02:12:39.280 like, no, bro, we know you were picking up coffee at 1246 in the afternoon, motherfucker. 1.00

02:12:42.820 Right. 0.99

02:12:44.280 Analysis, additional analysis of records for the phone indicated that between approximately

02:12:48.000 532 p.m. and 536 p.m., the phone utilized cellular resources to provide coverage to

02:12:52.780 Johnson, Idaho.

02:12:54.440 The phone then stops reporting to the network from approximately 536 to 830 p.m.

02:12:58.900 This is consistent with the phone being in the area that the phone traveled in.

02:13:02.280 The hours immediately found the suspected time the homicides occurred.

02:13:04.880 So what they're panning here, guys, is, yo, look, guys, he's already starting to turn the

02:13:08.920 phone off, right, on the day of the murder earlier in the day, right?

02:13:12.460 On December 27, 2022, Pennsylvania agents, what they mean by Pennsylvania agents, is this

02:13:17.860 the FBI watching him at this point now, guys?

02:13:19.960 Oh, yeah.

02:13:20.300 Oh, yeah.

02:13:20.780 Well, now they know where he's at.

02:13:21.760 They know he's all the way over here in Alberts, Alberts Wrightville, Pennsylvania, right?

02:13:27.020 Which is far as hell.

02:13:28.340 Guys, we already mapped this out. 0.99

02:13:29.980 219 hour drive, 2,640 miles, other side of the goddamn country. 0.99

02:13:34.380 He's out here. 0.99

02:13:34.840 He's where his parents are, though.

02:13:36.660 So he wasn't like on the defense side to give a fact in his favor.

02:13:40.160 His parents do live there, such as a random place that he picked across the country.

02:13:44.160 It's his parents.

02:13:45.020 It's his parents' home.

02:13:46.140 Yeah.

02:13:46.340 This is where his parents live.

02:13:47.620 It's his defense.

02:13:48.180 Good point.

02:13:49.180 Right?

02:13:49.820 So they got FBI agents staked out over here watching him, right?

02:13:54.400 Which is a huge plus for, because obviously the police officers out of Idaho don't have

02:13:59.240 the authority to go to Pennsylvania, conduct an investigation.

02:14:02.080 So they have the FBI doing this for them, right?

02:14:04.560 Right.

02:14:04.780 So the agents recovered the trash from the Kohlberger family residence located in Albrightsville,

02:14:09.240 Pennsylvania.

02:14:09.620 This is where it just starts to get good here, guys.

02:14:11.260 Okay?

02:14:11.460 So pay attention.

02:14:12.900 That evidence was sent to the Idaho State Lab for testing on December 28th, 2022.

02:14:17.540 So 24 hours later, that's how I know that the Idaho State Lab was taken in serious, right?

02:14:21.980 Reported that a DNA profile obtained from the trash and a DNA profile obtained from the sheath

02:14:26.620 identified a male as not being excluded as the biological father of suspect profile.

02:14:31.040 At least 99.99998% of the male population would be expected to be excluded from the possibility

02:14:36.600 of being the suspect's biological father.

02:14:40.640 In English, you want to tell the people what that means, Andrew?

02:14:43.700 So this is essentially the function of the DNA test.

02:14:47.680 I mean, you probably use this more than me, but essentially it's saying that, hey, there

02:14:50.840 is a very, very low, high probability this person is the same person.

02:14:54.480 And because they've matched up the DNA on that sheath, that snap, remember in the beginning 0.99

02:14:58.640 I said that snap is what fucked him. 0.98

02:15:01.100 That little piece of metal that his finger was on right next to the body matched up with 1.00

02:15:06.800 something they fished from the trash.

02:15:08.780 You know, the trash over in Albrightsville that it tied to him.

02:15:12.040 It'd be interesting to see what exactly they used to match that up.

02:15:14.920 But that means that you are the father.

02:15:16.920 No, you are the one who likely did this.

02:15:19.680 They match this through your biological, your biological line.

02:15:23.820 That's how the DNA works.

02:15:24.800 So that's just them saying, hey, this is reliable.

02:15:27.220 This is reliable data.

02:15:28.680 Yeah.

02:15:28.920 So just to give you guys a little bit more context, because they didn't put this in the affidavit,

02:15:32.360 but what the FBI observed, right, while they were watching them on surveillance.

02:15:35.140 And remember, this is a rural neighborhood.

02:15:36.420 They kind of had to watch from a distance what they observed was him come out of the

02:15:39.640 house multiple times, right, with gloves, surgical gloves, clean that Elantra crazy

02:15:46.340 as if he's trying to sell it, right?

02:15:47.460 He did a whole deep clean on it and they witnessed him take the trash and not put it in his own

02:15:52.580 trash, guys, but they observed him put the trash in his neighbor's trash.

02:15:56.860 So what the FBI did was they this is called a trash pull, by the way, guys, I've done this 0.96

02:16:00.240 several times when I was an agent.

02:16:01.220 This is a very good way to collect maybe a DNA evidence trash as far as like figuring out

02:16:06.200 what they what their pattern of life is.

02:16:08.080 Maybe they might get rid of documents that you want to identify, et cetera.

02:16:11.800 So trash pulls actually are can be really useful.

02:16:15.060 And in this case, it was vital because they need a DNA.

02:16:17.700 And the best way to get DNA is through the trash.

02:16:19.780 So they go ahead.

02:16:21.560 They pull the trash from the neighbor that he dumped out, right, because he dumped it

02:16:24.540 in the neighbor's trash.

02:16:25.680 And they also pulled the trash from his house.

02:16:27.840 And they had him on surveillance with surgical gloves, cleaning the Elantra.

02:16:30.700 Now, again, does that mean he is guilty necessarily?

02:16:34.480 Who knows?

02:16:34.780 Maybe on a long drive, he spilled some soda. 1.00

02:16:37.340 He was getting a handjob from some hooker on the way. 1.00

02:16:40.120 Who knows? 0.99

02:16:40.560 Nobody knows.

02:16:41.460 Right.

02:16:42.200 But stop, you know, who knows?

02:16:43.840 Maybe he want to have some fun on the way.

02:16:45.500 And he, you know, I guess caused a sexual explosion all over the world.

02:16:50.040 But realistically speaking, this is a pretty damning evidence coupled with all the other

02:16:54.580 facts.

02:16:54.880 This is probably the strongest evidence.

02:16:56.660 And my thing is, from a jury's perspective, they really viewed DNA evidence strongly.

02:17:01.800 So I think this is going to be on the defense to try to overcome this.

02:17:04.940 This is going to be hard.

02:17:05.700 I'm not saying they can't do it.

02:17:07.240 A good defense attorney could attack the reliability of DNA evidence, attack the processing,

02:17:12.400 you know, could point out errors.

02:17:14.020 It's possible, right?

02:17:14.780 It's a battle of the experts.

02:17:16.320 But it's very strong evidence against Brian Koberger.

02:17:20.940 And this is probably the most damning evidence.

02:17:22.860 Everything else is circumstantial.

02:17:24.200 So this, in and of itself, is very bad for him.

02:17:28.960 Bad for himself.

02:17:29.340 Yeah.

02:17:29.900 So basically, guys, they found the sheath in the home, right?

02:17:37.320 In one of the victim's bedrooms, right?

02:17:39.420 Which we discussed earlier.

02:17:40.620 That sheath had a male profile DNA on the snap.

02:17:43.620 They were able to take that DNA profile and save it.

02:17:46.900 Then, they went ahead and searched the trash at Koberger's residence on the other side of the country, by the way.

02:17:52.840 And they found a DNA profile of his father.

02:17:56.380 And from that DNA profile of his father, they could pretty much conclude that the son is more than likely going to be damn near 100% match to the DNA profile they found on the sheath.

02:18:06.580 Now, you guys may be wondering.

02:18:07.880 It's like the same test you might get if you went on Mari.

02:18:10.600 You know?

02:18:10.860 You are the father.

02:18:12.200 Exactly.

02:18:12.660 It's pretty damn accurate.

02:18:13.820 The other thing, too, I want to say, guys, you might be wondering, well, yo, Myron, how can the father DNA be used to identify somebody else?

02:18:20.520 Well, I'll give you guys an example of this.

02:18:21.840 Back in 2005, right?

02:18:27.300 This is how they caught the BTK killer, actually.

02:18:29.740 I broke this down on one of my episodes.

02:18:31.200 They went ahead.

02:18:32.020 This guy was killing people for 30 years.

02:18:33.640 From, like, 1974 all the way to, like, 2004.

02:18:37.780 He was running crazy in Worcita, Kansas.

02:18:39.560 They couldn't get him.

02:18:40.780 However, they were able to identify who he was.

02:18:43.660 But they didn't have a DNA profile of him because they had the DNA from the crime scenes back in the 70s.

02:18:49.220 So what they did was they went to the University of Kansas.

02:18:52.600 They got his daughter's DNA profile because she went to get some medical checkups over there.

02:18:56.660 And they were able to conclusively say, yo, the killer is this woman's father.

02:19:03.080 And, bam, they identified him.

02:19:04.780 And the DNA ended up matching up.

02:19:06.720 So parental DNA is damn near 100% accurate, guys.

02:19:11.440 So this is very strong evidence that Kohlberger might be the killer here.

02:19:16.380 You know, this is the one they've got to turn over.

02:19:20.180 This is the one they've got to fight.

02:19:21.360 This is the case right here.

02:19:22.380 If they can't beat this DNA evidence, they're probably going to lose.

02:19:25.460 They're probably going to lose this case.

02:19:26.740 Yeah.

02:19:27.220 Yeah.

02:19:27.820 For some of you guys that are wondering, no, it was not.

02:19:29.740 The floppy disk identified the BTK as Dennis Rader. 0.81

02:19:32.460 However, it was he left semen at some of the crime scenes where he sexually assaulted the victims.

02:19:38.020 And that semen was compared to the DNA profile of his daughter 30-plus years later.

02:19:42.800 And that's how they linked them.

02:19:43.760 Sorry, go ahead.

02:19:44.060 And in this instant case, we don't have any semen evidence.

02:19:47.020 So there's no essay, no grief, none of that in this case.

02:19:50.980 Yeah.

02:19:51.300 But yeah, in the BTK, I was just showing it to establish that DNA can be linked through familial links is what it is.

02:19:58.620 I mean, the Golden State Killer, they caught him as well through DNA from family members.

02:20:03.020 So and I'll break down that case for you guys as well.

02:20:05.000 But the point I'm trying to make here, guys, is that familial DNA matches are very strong and have led to convictions in the past on high profile cases.

02:20:13.100 All right.

02:20:14.560 Based on the above information, I'm requesting an arrest warrant to be issued for Brian C.

02:20:17.480 Kohlberger for burglary at 122 King Street in Moscow, Idaho, and four counts of murder in the first degree for the murders of Madison Mogan, Kelly Gonsalves, Zana Kurnado, and Ethan Chapman.

02:20:28.020 Rest in peace to them.

02:20:29.180 I declare under penalty of perjury pursuant to the law of the state of Idaho that the foregoing is true and correct.

02:20:35.500 So this was a very well written affidavit.

02:20:37.320 A lot of facts in here.

02:20:38.600 Very detailed.

02:20:39.920 And I would say I agree with you, Andrew.

02:20:41.600 The strongest piece of evidence is by far this paragraph here that they were able to pull the DNA.

02:20:47.040 I'm just interested why he didn't put in here that the FBI agents observed him leaving the house multiple times and cleaning the car furiously.

02:20:53.820 But yeah, yeah.

02:20:54.380 And there could be more details.

02:20:56.360 This doesn't have to be the be all end all.

02:20:58.080 This is the affidavit.

02:20:59.080 This is just enough for keeping him in, bringing him to trial.

02:21:01.800 So this is not all the evidence we'll get.

02:21:04.060 I guarantee you over the next year we will get more evidence.

02:21:07.480 If you want to get it to, you know, I don't know if you want to, you're ready yet for my speculation on when this goes to trial.

02:21:12.360 But no, let's let's do it.

02:21:14.220 And I want to do that's a really good point that you mentioned.

02:21:16.680 I want to let you guys know that these probable cause affidavits are only done to establish the bare minimum probable cause needed to get the guy arrested.

02:21:25.500 So all of the investigation don't necessarily need to be disclosed for them to go ahead and get probable cause and get the guy arrested.

02:21:33.200 So the little fact I gave you that FBI agents observed them with surgical gloves, cleaning the car furiously, you know, coming in and out of the house multiple times, him dumping the trash out at a neighbor's trash versus his own, which is very suspicious.

02:21:45.200 Right.

02:21:45.660 I see drug dealers do that all the time.

02:21:47.860 These are all facts that are pertinent that could establish more probable cause, but they don't need it.

02:21:51.880 They already got his DNA linked to, uh, the sheath that was found, you know, on the other side of the country.

02:21:57.400 So that in itself is pretty damn good evidence, right?

02:22:00.320 Yeah.

02:22:00.700 So, uh, all right.

02:22:01.480 So go ahead, Andrew.

02:22:02.360 I'll, uh, what, what's your, I was going to say.

02:22:04.220 So here's my thing.

02:22:05.060 So we've got this case and everyone was like guilty, guilty, whatever, you know, whatever theory you've got here, you know, it was the roommate, you know, you are not going to see this trial. 0.99

02:22:13.960 Even if he does not waive his right to a speedy trial, which he would be an idiot not to do.

02:22:18.960 Uh, even if he demands a trial, it says as soon as possible, you would not see this before July of this year. 0.68

02:22:25.860 Like that would be the fastest they could run this case.

02:22:29.060 They, they're just running it back just as fast as they can on everything.

02:22:32.600 More than likely you will see this next year or possibly even the following year, but I think next year.

02:22:37.000 So this is a case you're going to have to wait at least a year because there's a lot of evidence, particularly DNA evidence, that they're allowed to go get into their own expert and have them analyze that.

02:22:44.540 They're allowed to go back through the video evidence and say, what is admissible?

02:22:48.240 What's not admissible to challenge that.

02:22:50.320 So there's a lot of evidence to review on this case.

02:22:52.540 And that's going to take the defense a while to go through if they want to go through this thoroughly.

02:22:56.880 So I do not think we see a case on this till next year, maybe next summer.

02:23:01.060 I think that'd be a risk, realistic timeline.

02:23:03.280 What do you think is the only way I could think of one scenario in my head where this guy won't get found guilty?

02:23:07.960 Well, there's a couple, there's a couple, one of them that people point out is, um, if there's any sort of, uh, potential interference here, right?

02:23:16.540 Like if there was any sort of coercion here, um, if there was any statements made that shouldn't have been made at some point, um, there's a lot, there's a lot of potentials.

02:23:25.140 I mean, the roommate is to me off the affidavit.

02:23:28.200 If we're going off the affidavit, not on theories, not on speculation, but just off the affidavit.

02:23:32.740 The roommate is the number one thing to me off that affidavit that as a defense, I would attack that.

02:23:38.760 Yeah.

02:23:38.840 I would say, you know, why didn't you call?

02:23:40.840 You know, why were you?

02:23:41.740 Did you, is this reliable?

02:23:42.740 Is any of your testimony reliable?

02:23:44.160 Is any of your account reliable?

02:23:45.840 Yeah.

02:23:46.020 And, and I would even use that to put suspicion on her or potentially her boyfriend or whatever else.

02:23:51.420 So I would actually, uh, be able to, I would actually push that around if I was a defense attorney.

02:23:56.440 Um, I think that's very, very, very suspect.

02:23:59.420 A lot of the behavior there, there's not a lot of details.

02:24:01.860 And also, you know, a young girl on cross.

02:24:04.220 I think she might, I think she might fold if she's put under pressure. 1.00

02:24:07.260 She's probably not an experienced witness.

02:24:08.880 Absolutely.

02:24:09.440 Right here, by the way, guys, um, this here, um, on the right, Dylan, that's Bethany. 0.99

02:24:17.120 I'm sorry.

02:24:17.600 Yeah.

02:24:17.800 Right here.

02:24:18.520 Dylan is this chick right here who saw the guy walk by her and the police were able to pull a footprint based off of her information, which I mean, can't show that she's accurate because they were able to independently corroborate.

02:24:30.700 Um, that someone was in the house and had a, an unidentified shoe print there, but regardless, yeah, they're going to beat her up on the stand. 0.99

02:24:39.100 The defenses are absolutely going to beat her up on the stand. 1.00

02:24:41.020 Yeah.

02:24:41.540 Yeah.

02:24:42.220 On that one.

02:24:42.680 So, um, I would say what I think is the only thing I could think of that could potentially save this guy would be, he had a relationship with one of the girls and a sheath was there because he had been messing with her in the past.

02:24:56.040 And, uh, that she was just there because, you know, he left it there.

02:25:00.120 So one, here's the, here's the thing about this, this that's been kind of going out.

02:25:02.920 This was a party house, right?

02:25:04.080 These, these girls were all there. 0.99

02:25:05.200 They would have people over for parties.

02:25:06.960 They would have dudes over these. 1.00

02:25:08.940 I mean, they were not like, you know, they were not there, you know, one of them had a boyfriend, but the others did not right.

02:25:14.980 They were there partying, they were doing things, having their sorority sisters over.

02:25:17.880 So it's very possible that one of them could have been sleeping with a grad student.

02:25:22.100 Right.

02:25:23.180 And there could be something going on here.

02:25:25.240 Some sort of dynamic that we don't know about that would have to come out at trial.

02:25:28.580 And it absolutely wasn't a party house.

02:25:30.540 And I'll show y'all guys real quick here.

02:25:32.840 Hold on.

02:25:34.200 Uh, cause yeah, that could be another thing in his favor.

02:25:36.640 Like, oh no, I was in that area because that house is a, is, is a known party house.

02:25:40.220 And here, let me show you guys the, um, what I met on Tinder, whatever it is.

02:25:46.280 I mean, once again, he's, the burden's on him to prove that, but here's a picture from the house guys, actually, uh, of the girls here, you know, doing some pre-gaming or whatever.

02:25:55.120 Um, and this is the girls partying, uh, here and this is the house, this is the actual, you know, the background picture here.

02:26:02.620 Um, so the, and this is where, again, this is where the, the murder occurred.

02:26:06.600 So you can see even that room, it's got like the couch.

02:26:09.960 You imagine people party in there, hanging out there, whatever, you know, like that's 100% what people are going to do there.

02:26:14.620 Right.

02:26:15.140 Yeah.

02:26:15.360 So there's, there's going to be people in this party.

02:26:18.100 Three story home.

02:26:19.040 You got a bunch of girls living there. 1.00

02:26:20.260 Like, yeah, I mean, this is going to be a pregame spot.

02:26:22.140 It's not going to, it's not going to be unusual for this house to have a high amount of people coming in and out.

02:26:27.280 Right.

02:26:27.820 And I'm just making up the best possible theory for the defense.

02:26:30.240 I'm not saying that's, that's a winning strategy, but you have to think of both sides.

02:26:33.280 You can't just go through this and say, oh no, a hundred percent.

02:26:35.900 It's going to get a W.

02:26:36.700 If you do that, uh, you're, you're, you're not thinking like a lawyer or like a law enforcement agent, right?

02:26:42.220 You have to be able to think in a way of what's their, what's their defense.

02:26:47.020 And how do we present evidence that closes that defense, that shuts that off?

02:26:51.080 You have to preempt it, right?

02:26:53.180 You have to say, what's their strongest argument and how am I going to come and defeat their argument?

02:26:57.320 That's how you live in court.

02:26:58.500 Yeah.

02:26:58.760 So I, yeah, I think that's honestly him knowing one of the girls and, and saying, oh yeah, no, that sheet is there because I've been there before.

02:27:05.000 I've hung out with her.

02:27:05.640 I left that sheet there.

02:27:06.720 And yeah, we used to have a relationship.

02:27:08.540 That's why I was in the area that would probably create a deed, a little bit of plausible deniability.

02:27:14.460 Now, do I still, do I, honestly, I think the case is fairly strong.

02:27:17.480 I think there's a good chance that this guy can get found guilty off of the evidence alone.

02:27:21.360 They probably have evidence that they didn't even disclose on the affidavit, but looking, you know, thinking devil's advocate here, how he might be able to get exonerated.

02:27:28.620 As he's told, uh, as he told, you know, the media, I think it would be, yeah, I knew this chick, uh, who was a killer, who was a girl, um, where they found a sheet.

02:27:35.080 It was right here.

02:27:36.680 I knew, um, no, it wasn't, no, it was on the third floor where they found a sheet, if I'm not mistaken.

02:27:41.200 Right.

02:27:41.980 Um, he knew, uh, Gonsalves or Pogan, one of the two.

02:27:46.760 He knew one of those two.

02:27:48.140 Right.

02:27:48.540 It's possible.

02:27:49.040 Right.

02:27:49.280 You don't know what the relationships are.

02:27:50.520 And by the way, I said it was a sorority house.

02:27:52.620 It's not a sorority house.

02:27:53.840 It's not the sorority house.

02:27:54.920 It's a house where sorority girls live. 1.00

02:27:57.040 Yeah.

02:27:57.440 One of them who are partying there, they're young.

02:27:59.660 It doesn't even matter whether they're a sorority or not, but it's common for sorority people to party. 0.97

02:28:04.560 Right.

02:28:04.860 That's one of the, one of the girls is, uh, is definitely in a sorority. 1.00

02:28:07.840 I forget which one.

02:28:08.520 I think it was, uh, Zana, um, but yeah, so yeah, this is where the weapon was found.

02:28:13.040 So he can articulate, Oh no, bro.

02:28:14.660 Uh, I was dealing, I was dating Gonsalves or, uh, well, she's the one that had the boyfriend. 0.99

02:28:19.780 Right.

02:28:20.340 But who was the other one?

02:28:21.100 Mogan.

02:28:22.020 Right.

02:28:22.700 Uh, so these two girls were killed in this room, right?

02:28:26.060 They were both found on the bed.

02:28:27.480 Uh, Madison Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalves.

02:28:30.340 Remember Gonsalves was the one calling her ex-boyfriend at the time.

02:28:33.000 And they had the dog together.

02:28:34.060 And Mogan slept in the bed with her.

02:28:36.080 So, and they were both found killed next to each other.

02:28:38.760 And the knife was found next to Mogan.

02:28:41.200 So he could say, Oh no, me and Mogan used to see each other.

02:28:44.420 That's why she has my knife and my DNA is on it.

02:28:46.260 And so let me say one other thing.

02:28:48.000 There currently is a gag order out on this.

02:28:50.040 In fact, it's out on the, uh, on the website.

02:28:52.520 You've got that document that's that clearly says right now, the hearings, everything is

02:28:57.720 not able to be streamed.

02:28:59.220 They don't want them streamed as of date, but I do believe that the trial itself will

02:29:04.640 be testified that they're going to update that order and that they're going to allow it to

02:29:08.540 be testified in the interest of a disclosure of the court process.

02:29:11.960 I do believe that's something that's going to happen.

02:29:14.060 Uh, I don't believe they're going to make us watch the replay at nighttime, you know,

02:29:17.640 or whatever else.

02:29:18.320 I don't think they're going to do that.

02:29:19.420 I think they will turn that over.

02:29:20.460 I think people would petition to watch this one cause it's going to be so big and they

02:29:23.660 want it.

02:29:24.240 And there's a lot of money to be made too.

02:29:26.060 Oh my God.

02:29:26.860 Are you kidding me?

02:29:27.280 I'm going to grift off of that.

02:29:28.240 That's going to be, I mean, everybody's should be, should be covering it because I think it's

02:29:31.680 going to be a fantastic case for DNA evidence for, you know, just the circumstantial evidence

02:29:37.000 in this new era, you know, in the era of video evidence, uh, triangulation, everything

02:29:42.480 else.

02:29:43.240 Yeah.

02:29:43.680 So here's Madison Mogan and here's Kaylee Gonsalves.

02:29:46.120 As you guys remember, right?

02:29:47.320 Uh, these were the two that were killed together in the same bed.

02:29:50.280 Kay, Kaylee Gonsalves was trying to call her ex-boyfriend, right?

02:29:53.400 With the dog.

02:29:53.980 They have the dog together in her bedroom and, uh, they found the knife next to, uh,

02:29:59.020 Mogan's, uh, body on the bed.

02:30:00.840 So, and just so you guys remember, this is where, right?

02:30:05.140 That murder occurred and the knife was found here.

02:30:07.560 So, you know, again, plain devil's advocate, right?

02:30:11.160 Kohlberger can say, oh no, I knew Mogan or Gonsalves.

02:30:13.880 We had a relationship and, or I knew her.

02:30:16.260 That's why my knife is there.

02:30:17.200 And my DNA was there.

02:30:19.800 Right.

02:30:20.200 And then maybe they could establish that there was a link, but the fact that they already

02:30:23.480 went ahead and did a pen register on his phone, did phone.

02:30:26.400 They probably did tolls on his phone, et cetera.

02:30:28.020 They probably went ahead and searched all the victims phone numbers to his, to see if

02:30:32.220 there was a relationship.

02:30:33.020 They more than likely didn't find one.

02:30:34.700 Right.

02:30:35.460 Uh, because if they did, they would probably would have outlined it in an affidavit.

02:30:38.200 We don't know, but the fact that they didn't find it is probably what makes that

02:30:42.180 sheath being found there so powerful because it shouldn't be there.

02:30:45.900 Right.

02:30:46.720 Like, why is it there?

02:30:47.680 They don't own it.

02:30:48.280 You know, that's the question.

02:30:49.260 Like, whose is that?

02:30:50.320 Right.

02:30:50.560 It's his.

02:30:50.940 It's clearly his.

02:30:51.800 Yeah.

02:30:52.000 So, um, yeah.

02:30:53.780 Uh, but now, man, I mean, uh, any, any, what's your last thoughts on this thing, Andrew?

02:30:57.620 And this thing is going to be, this case will be whenever it goes to trial, the biggest thing

02:31:02.940 out there, this is going to be huge.

02:31:04.900 We're going to be following it.

02:31:06.000 And I don't think we've seen all the evidence.

02:31:08.100 I think there's lots of evidence here that we have not yet seen.

02:31:11.300 I think there's a video we have not seen.

02:31:13.660 I think there's audio we have not seen.

02:31:15.560 I think we need to see this all together.

02:31:17.240 So I'm going to stay on top of this case because I think this is absolutely going to be the

02:31:22.380 case of the year, whenever it goes to trial.

02:31:24.620 And also I think we're really going to get to hammer down on DNA evidence, uh, triangulation,

02:31:31.660 all those other new methods, which didn't exist, you know, 20 years ago, 30 years ago,

02:31:36.800 but allow us today to put together a, uh, enough evidence to convict someone.

02:31:42.280 Yeah, no, absolutely.

02:31:44.300 And I will say that, you know, if this crime occurred 30, 40 years ago, back when the Ted 0.94

02:31:49.680 Bundy's and the John Wayne Gacy's and all these guys were running around, they would have never

02:31:53.260 solved this thing, man.

02:31:54.140 I mean, you guys, you guys read the affidavit.

02:31:56.160 They use extremely sophisticated investigative techniques between, you know, protein samples

02:32:00.620 and footprints, uh, phone, cell phone data, uh, extraction, right.

02:32:05.120 With cell phone location service, uh, services, um, surveillance footage from neighbors, from

02:32:11.940 businesses, from highways, license plate readers, uh, using law enforcement databases to connect

02:32:17.560 different law enforcement agencies to work together.

02:32:19.320 Guys, let's not forget that it was Washington state university police officers, campus police,

02:32:24.300 by the way, the guys that break your party, those are the dudes that identified this dude.

02:32:28.100 All right.

02:32:28.560 You know, so, um, had it not been for law enforcement working together, technology, inter, interstate

02:32:34.220 databases, working together, license plate readers, all this stuff.

02:32:36.680 They would have never found this guy, man.

02:32:38.520 This dude would probably be running around doing the same stuff that Ted Bundy was doing

02:32:41.460 30 years ago, attacking girls on college campuses back in the seventies.

02:32:44.420 And people didn't know because Ted Bundy did something very similar where he killed girls

02:32:48.680 in Washington.

02:32:49.160 Then he went down to, um, to Colorado, Utah, Florida, Florida, and Idaho. 0.60

02:32:55.640 He was killing girls all over the place.

02:32:57.080 And no one was able to stop this guy because again, a lot of these serial killers use the interstate

02:33:00.740 highway system to, uh, to, to almost kind of cover themselves from being investigated

02:33:05.240 because law enforcement agencies didn't work together.

02:33:07.180 I absolutely believe that if this guy was not caught now, this would have been, this would

02:33:11.280 have been a serious, like if this is the guy, right.

02:33:13.140 And if he's guilty, right.

02:33:14.040 So I'm giving him the presumption of innocence, but, but if this is guy's guilty, then of course

02:33:20.120 that, I mean, this, this would have happened again.

02:33:22.040 This is, if he's guilty, this is somebody who the pattern is looking like it would have

02:33:25.900 happened again.

02:33:26.620 Right.

02:33:27.040 So we'll see.

02:33:27.940 Well, I want to see a court.

02:33:28.840 I'm going to give this guy's day in court.

02:33:30.200 I'm going to listen to it from the standpoint of you've got to convince me, right?

02:33:33.860 It is the duty of the prosecution to convince me beyond a reasonable doubt.

02:33:36.980 This guy is guilty.

02:33:38.260 So I'm going to be watching along with this.

02:33:40.000 I'm going to be doing this trial live.

02:33:41.200 I'll probably do this cover to cover, you know, opening to closing.

02:33:44.300 Uh, I'm planning to do a bunch of other cases at the end of this month.

02:33:46.640 If you're interested in the Murdoch case, uh, there's the suitcase murders in Orlando,

02:33:50.060 probably cover those.

02:33:50.700 And maybe even the Abilene, uh, case where there's a self-defense, alleged self-defense around

02:33:55.260 a dumpster shooting, cover all those cases.

02:33:57.120 And because it's important to see it from beginning to end and think, are these people

02:34:02.180 proving it in court?

02:34:03.840 Not public opinion, not on Reddit, not on Nancy Grace, but in court.

02:34:08.420 That's what's important.

02:34:09.780 Yeah, no, absolutely.

02:34:10.400 And I see a bunch of people in the chat saying, yo, was the knife found?

02:34:13.000 Uh, the knife was not found guys, but I want to be extremely clear.

02:34:16.620 There have been several murder cases that have been solved with no body, with no weapon,

02:34:23.100 et cetera.

02:34:24.060 You do not guys, the days of we need the murder weapon.

02:34:27.240 Those days are done, bro.

02:34:28.360 They can go ahead and convict you without a murder weapon with the sophisticated technologies

02:34:32.380 and advancements that law enforcement has nowadays.

02:34:35.100 So a murder weapon is no longer a critical element of a case.

02:34:40.540 Now, is it fantastic to have it?

02:34:41.900 Of course.

02:34:42.940 Right.

02:34:43.460 But it is not, it is not required to the same extent it was 20, 30 years ago.

02:34:48.180 So, I mean, the shift is damn near good enough.

02:34:50.560 Almost.

02:34:51.460 Yeah.

02:34:51.860 It's not required.

02:34:53.580 Whereas in the past, you would actually need to find the murder.

02:34:56.920 Yeah.

02:34:57.860 Uh, and by the way, people have convicted on less.

02:35:00.060 That's one of the last one I think.

02:35:01.340 Yeah.

02:35:01.480 People have gotten convictions on less evidence than this.

02:35:03.800 So this is actually more, this is actually enough in and of itself to get a conviction.

02:35:07.780 They've convicted people with no body guys.

02:35:11.460 They've convicted plenty of people with no body.

02:35:13.440 So, um, it happens.

02:35:15.800 You know what I mean?

02:35:16.420 Uh, real quick.

02:35:17.000 I'll read these chats.

02:35:17.740 Uh, Raul goes, uh, Oh no, read this one.

02:35:20.600 Um, can you do Adriel Chikatilo next?

02:35:24.280 Love from Croatia.

02:35:25.060 And that's from Sniffatello.

02:35:26.540 I'll look into it.

02:35:27.540 Uh, this is from Harper Thompson.

02:35:29.000 He goes, the only reason why you think it's going to be a big case is because the victims

02:35:32.060 were white.

02:35:32.660 Switch the race around and both of you and the media won't be covering this case.

02:35:37.020 Maybe.

02:35:37.840 Maybe.

02:35:38.320 I mean, bro, you want to cry some more? 0.99

02:35:39.780 Like what are you, one of these guys fucking race people that wants to always think everything 1.00

02:35:43.240 about race. 1.00

02:35:43.760 Like I have fucking tired of you cry babies always complaining about race. 1.00

02:35:47.580 Oh bro. 1.00

02:35:48.340 If they were black, nobody would care. 1.00

02:35:50.240 Last time I checked last time a black dude got killed, especially by the police, the whole nation 1.00

02:35:53.880 went crazy. 0.97

02:35:55.360 All right. 0.77

02:35:55.480 Uh, George Floyd, I think it was a drug addict and a criminal as well.

02:35:58.720 Yeah.

02:35:58.860 I think that dude.

02:35:59.600 Yeah.

02:36:00.240 So I think the facts of the case make it whether or not it pops or not.

02:36:04.200 Right.

02:36:04.580 It's always a facts case.

02:36:05.680 George Floyd, the facts of the case were what made that big.

02:36:08.360 Right.

02:36:08.840 The facts of this case.

02:36:09.840 When it's somebody, people that were not, you know, in the, they were not in the urban

02:36:13.580 areas.

02:36:14.140 Right.

02:36:14.720 Crimes.

02:36:15.140 If you actually, guys, if you take out the urban centers in America, if you took like

02:36:19.740 just punch a hole in Chicago, Atlanta, New York, LA, San Francisco, Miami, in the highest

02:36:25.400 crime areas.

02:36:26.080 Right.

02:36:26.380 You remove those.

02:36:27.400 The U S is safer than Japan, Switzerland, any of those countries.

02:36:30.720 I mean, our crime rate goes away.

02:36:32.100 Guys, you gotta understand crime does not happen in these places.

02:36:34.620 So when crime happens somewhere where it doesn't normally happen, that makes a story.

02:36:39.140 Exactly.

02:36:39.840 And also you gotta remember it's college students.

02:36:41.580 They were randomly killed.

02:36:42.760 This has all the makings of serial killer. 0.54

02:36:44.960 Americans love serial killers. 0.93

02:36:46.160 That's just the way it is guys.

02:36:47.480 You know what I mean?

02:36:47.920 Like I hate you guys that always got to make it about race, man. 1.00

02:36:50.620 Like stop being a fucking baby, man. 1.00

02:36:52.540 Like God damn. 1.00

02:36:53.440 Oh my God. 1.00

02:36:54.240 It's race.

02:36:54.820 So we're oppressed.

02:36:55.580 Oh my God.

02:36:56.220 These were, if these were college students of any other race, but it's in still in Idaho,

02:37:00.300 it's still in the middle of nowhere where there's no murders.

02:37:02.200 It's still a top line story.

02:37:03.520 It's still a happy story. 0.98

02:37:04.420 If there was a black person that got killed in this, trust me, they'd be covering it 1.00

02:37:07.180 too. 0.99

02:37:07.860 You know what I mean?

02:37:08.940 Yeah.

02:37:09.120 Because come on.

02:37:10.560 I mean, the population of the University of Idaho, I don't know what the percentage

02:37:13.700 is.

02:37:14.020 They definitely would cover that.

02:37:15.460 Sean Keller Robinson is getting covered right now.

02:37:17.640 Why aren't you like, you know what I mean?

02:37:18.780 Like, bro, people always, always want to make it about race, bro.

02:37:21.960 Listen, man, I am race agnostic.

02:37:24.280 All right.

02:37:24.600 I don't care.

02:37:25.580 Black, white, Chinese, whatever.

02:37:27.160 There was a Hispanic woman that was killed in this situation. 0.50

02:37:28.860 I don't hear y'all say nothing about that. 1.00

02:37:30.960 You know, it's always fucking people. 1.00

02:37:32.360 Oh, yo, bro, it's only because it's white people. 1.00

02:37:34.700 It's like, bro, stop making everything about race, man. 1.00

02:37:37.020 Fucking crybabies everywhere. 1.00

02:37:38.840 W Belinda with no brown. 1.00

02:37:39.920 Okay.

02:37:40.500 I went to UF as well.

02:37:41.560 Shout out to Legal Mindset.

02:37:42.400 Yep.

02:37:42.580 Shout out to you, Greg.

02:37:43.580 I grew up near Pullman and have lots of friends at both WSU and the University of Idaho.

02:37:46.880 And it's honestly a huge tragedy for this whole area.

02:37:48.920 Oh, I'm sure.

02:37:49.720 This is Bundy FSU Redux.

02:37:51.000 And that's for Kool-Aid, man.

02:37:51.860 You have facts.

02:37:52.760 Ante, hope not hate is really gunning for him, paying women to make accusations.

02:37:57.520 Tommy Robinson has a good piece on Rumble with Proof.

02:37:59.520 Yeah, bro.

02:38:00.000 I've already, I've told you guys this weeks ago.

02:38:02.240 There have been girls that have come forward that said, yo, I was offered $10,000 to $50,000 0.99

02:38:05.160 to lie on Andrew and Tristan saying that they abused me or whatever they did to me.

02:38:09.680 A lot of it is cap.

02:38:11.060 People are attacking him for no reason.

02:38:13.840 Andrew's innocent.

02:38:14.620 All right.

02:38:14.880 You guys can call me by us, whatever you want to say.

02:38:16.640 I know Andrew in person.

02:38:17.520 I know Tristan in person. 1.00

02:38:18.380 They're not going to do that shit, bro. 1.00

02:38:19.620 They're just not. 1.00

02:38:20.780 Mr. Shandon, two bucks from Great Britain.

02:38:22.620 By the way, I trust that.

02:38:23.520 That's called character evidence.

02:38:25.060 There you go.

02:38:26.160 Can you break down Harold Shipman, a.k.a.

02:38:28.600 Dr. Death Case?

02:38:29.440 I will do that.

02:38:30.060 I think that's a British serial killer.

02:38:32.440 $10 from Kool-Aid, man.

02:38:33.300 It goes, was watching the football game, but switched over to hear your thoughts on this

02:38:36.260 with the wife, Spokane resident.

02:38:37.780 Shout out to you, bro.

02:38:38.700 Enid Shagmar, thank you so much for the $10.

02:38:40.600 In 2019, the city of Moscow just got their second forensic specialist.

02:38:45.420 Oh, wow.

02:38:45.860 Okay.

02:38:46.180 I didn't know that.

02:38:47.120 Kool-Aid, man.

02:38:48.040 Tracy goes, they were in Maddie's room, not Kaylee's.

02:38:51.340 Two bucks.

02:38:52.100 What?

02:38:52.860 Okay.

02:38:53.400 Kool-Aid, man.

02:38:53.960 They had lots of parties, and the back slider door was known to be unlocked.

02:38:57.260 Yes, that is true.

02:38:58.280 And that's the thing.

02:38:59.180 If the guy knew that because he was going over there a lot of time, he might say,

02:39:01.660 okay, that's the best way because I know it's unlocked.

02:39:03.500 He's probably tested it before.

02:39:05.040 Kid Cannabis was out of car.

02:39:06.400 D, Aline, ID as well.

02:39:07.840 Could be a good Fetit. 0.92

02:39:08.820 Okay?

02:39:09.480 Content, fire, always.

02:39:10.560 Appreciate all your content, brother.

02:39:11.640 Shout out to me.

02:39:12.100 Legal Mindset.

02:39:12.620 That's thinking, man.

02:39:13.260 Yeah, guys, go subscribe to Legal Mindset. 0.99

02:39:14.600 God damn it. 0.99

02:39:15.220 First 48 Fetit edition. 0.99

02:39:16.520 Love your channel.

02:39:16.960 Thank you, bro.

02:39:17.380 And that's from Checking Vids Online.

02:39:19.700 And then we got a few more here.

02:39:22.060 Madison and Zana were likely targeted because they worked at the first listed vegan-friendly

02:39:25.760 restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, and Kohlberger was an extremist vegan.

02:39:32.260 What?

02:39:32.620 Okay, so you're saying that he ate there and he probably identified them from being there,

02:39:38.120 maybe?

02:39:39.060 Who knows?

02:39:40.200 Okay, that's a speculation.

02:39:41.760 Thanks for the breakdown, G. Don DeMarco.

02:39:43.620 Thank you, Cigarette Man. 0.97

02:39:44.660 Plenty of psycho cops out there. 0.97

02:39:46.020 He would have gotten, he would have just been another one added on the roster. 0.84

02:39:49.140 Well, he wasn't going to be a police officer, Maury.

02:39:50.460 He was going to be like a volunteer.

02:39:52.660 Cell data can pinpoint location depending on which type of cell technology is used.

02:39:57.220 CDMA versus GSM, for example.

02:39:59.000 Certain ones require extremely precise phone geo data.

02:40:01.140 Exactly.

02:40:02.160 Once they know what phone to look for, and that's from Ed Shamar, and he goes again, once

02:40:05.780 they know what phone to look for, they can get historical data and find out who was stalking

02:40:08.920 my step-niece Madison.

02:40:10.480 What?

02:40:11.080 Okay.

02:40:11.700 Thoughts on Kite Grape Allegations Association.

02:40:14.940 I don't know enough about it to speak about it in an intelligent manner.

02:40:18.160 Janice Arbogast, go back to the Johnson case. 0.99

02:40:21.020 There is a state park disposing on evidence.

02:40:23.380 Ding, ding.

02:40:25.260 Okay.

02:40:26.660 Cool.

02:40:28.480 Andrew, where can people find you, brother?

02:40:30.160 Guys, legalmindset.locals.com is the best place to find me.

02:40:32.860 Exclusive information, exclusive stuff on there.

02:40:34.940 Also, two places.

02:40:36.160 You can go on YouTube at Legal Mindset or Rumble at Legal Mindset as well.

02:40:41.220 Both those platforms are great.

02:40:42.260 Rumble has never censored me.

02:40:43.920 Still sitting on one strike.

02:40:45.180 They're still trying to keep me down hard.

02:40:47.020 Guys, make sure if you ever subscribed to me in the past, make sure you subscribe because

02:40:50.640 they are censoring me just like they censor Myron, just like they censor all of us, just

02:40:54.040 like they censor Tate, right?

02:40:55.280 They are working overtime to keep us down.

02:40:57.980 My moderators are getting unsubbed at this point.

02:41:00.260 That's how crazy it is.

02:41:01.480 So if you did in the past, make sure you go check your subs, not just for me, all the

02:41:04.880 channels you like.

02:41:05.700 Do it for all your favorite channels.

02:41:07.180 Make sure you sub, make sure you got the bell on.

02:41:09.200 And I appreciate it.

02:41:10.080 I'm going to be doing more content as always with Myron whenever he needs me on these big cases,

02:41:13.920 but I do legal coverage every single weekday, sometimes on the weekend as well.

02:41:19.500 Bam.

02:41:20.080 Ed Shemar goes, Madison and Kaylee were not involved with Kohlberger.

02:41:22.820 Both girls called their mothers nearly every night and shared intimate details of their

02:41:25.560 romantic lives.

02:41:26.200 Any theory of a relationship with Kohlberger will be immediately shot down.

02:41:28.660 Yeah, that's a possibility.

02:41:29.820 Again, we're just speculating as to how he can get out of this.

02:41:32.840 Once again, the defense just has to propose something that creates reasonable doubt.

02:41:35.640 It doesn't have to convince you.

02:41:37.160 The defense does not have a duty to convince you.

02:41:39.540 They have the duty or the job, the task of convincing a single juror out of 12 that this

02:41:46.760 is plausible.

02:41:48.020 If they believe it's plausible, that's it.

02:41:49.900 One person.

02:41:50.780 That's all they got to do.

02:41:51.980 Big facts.

02:41:53.080 Guys, do me a favor.

02:41:54.420 Like the video, man.

02:41:55.920 Okay, because this took a lot of work, a lot of research from both of us to go ahead and

02:41:59.300 bring you guys this breakdown.

02:42:01.500 I think by far, I've looked at some of the other breakdowns on this case.

02:42:04.200 I think by far, this is the most detailed, probably best breakdown on YouTube right now between

02:42:08.460 us two, because a lot of these other true crime people, let's be honest here, bro.

02:42:11.620 They haven't done an investigation in their life.

02:42:13.100 They don't understand how these cases work.

02:42:14.840 And you got someone who's a former law enforcement professional at the federal level, and you got

02:42:18.080 a lawyer, a practicing lawyer, by the way, not one of these lawyers on YouTube that passed

02:42:22.640 the bar and says they're a lawyer.

02:42:23.820 No, you got a practicing lawyer here.

02:42:25.100 We'll break it down to stuff for y'all so you guys understand.

02:42:27.660 So like the video, subscribe to FedIt, subscribe to Legal Mindset, and I'll catch you guys on

02:42:32.540 Fresh and Fit tomorrow at 7 p.m., man.

02:42:35.620 Other than that, man, I'll give you the last word to you, Andrew.

02:42:38.620 Guys, stay tuned.

02:42:40.240 Stay informed because more and more and more, we are going to see huge topics handled in

02:42:45.280 the courtroom, whether they're issues that are crimes like this or whether we're litigating

02:42:49.400 the truth like we do in big trials like Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.

02:42:53.000 Stay tuned.

02:42:53.640 And you know, as always, you're going to get the facts from me and you're going to get

02:42:56.700 the facts from Myron on all of his channels, guys.

02:42:59.040 So make sure you hang in there with both of us.

02:43:01.660 Ed Strumgar, last one goes.

02:43:02.860 As Carl Berger's personal postings reveal, he's a super radical vegan.

02:43:05.740 Madison worked at the Mad Greek restaurant, the top listed vegan store.

02:43:09.120 Zanna was somewhat new. 0.59

02:43:10.760 Madison was my step brother's daughter. 1.00

02:43:13.220 God damn. 1.00

02:43:14.320 Talk about close to home. 1.00

02:43:15.880 All right.

02:43:16.100 That's true.

02:43:16.640 Yeah.

02:43:17.220 That's how he might have went ahead and staked out his victims.

02:43:21.020 He identified them from going to that restaurant eating there because there ain't that many

02:43:24.240 vegan restaurants, especially in a spot like that in Idaho, bro.

02:43:27.220 Let's be honest here.

02:43:27.840 They're in the boonies.

02:43:29.100 So so I'm not surprised that he may.

02:43:32.700 And the vegan community is small, bro.

02:43:34.220 If you're a vegan, they know all the spots.

02:43:35.680 They literally tell each other all the spots.

02:43:37.360 I met I like met one vegan once.

02:43:39.460 They literally knew all the restaurants that were vegan.

02:43:41.660 Yeah.

02:43:42.200 That's just how it is, man.

02:43:43.980 But no, man, I appreciate that.

02:43:45.560 Guys, do me a favor, man.

02:43:46.720 Like the video.

02:43:47.600 All right.

02:43:47.820 I'm going to end the video here.

02:43:49.560 I'm going to put detailed timestamps in here so you guys can come back and refer to it.

02:43:53.000 And love y'all.

02:43:54.560 Subscribe to Legal Mindset.

02:43:55.780 Subscribe to Fedit.

02:43:56.440 And most importantly, like the video.

02:43:57.660 Get me the 2000 likes.

02:43:58.520 There's 25, 2400 of y'all in here.

02:44:00.560 But other than that, man, I'll catch you guys on Fresh Fit tomorrow, 7 p.m.

02:44:03.200 Peace.

02:44:06.800 I was a special agent with Homeland Security Investigations.

02:44:08.700 OK, guys, HSI.

02:44:10.040 The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug trafficking.

02:44:15.140 No one else has these documents, by the way.

02:44:17.380 Here's what Fedit covers.

02:44:19.160 Dr. Lafredo confirmed lacerations due to stepping on glass.

02:44:25.420 Murder investigations.

02:44:26.440 You don't see him reaching in this jacket.

02:44:27.480 You don't know.

02:44:28.700 And he's positioning.

02:44:29.320 Been on February 13, 2019.

02:44:31.020 You're facing two counts of two meditative news.

02:44:34.220 Racketeering and Rico conspiracies.

02:44:36.000 Young slime life here and after referred to as YSL.

02:44:38.580 This is 6ix9ine. 0.97

02:44:40.200 And then this is Billy Seiko right here.

02:44:42.020 Now, when they first started, guys, 6ix9ine ran with me. 0.98

02:44:44.640 I'm upset.

02:44:45.140 I'm watching this music video. 0.99

02:44:46.900 You know, I'm bobbing my head like, hey, this shit lit. 0.98

02:44:48.980 But at the same time, I'm pausing. 0.99

02:44:50.480 Oh, wait, who this?

02:44:51.720 Right?

02:44:52.140 Oh, who's that in the back?

02:44:54.320 Firearms and violent crime.

02:44:55.680 A.K.A.

02:44:56.220 Bouchard, he's violated.

02:44:57.520 In order to stay away from the victim.

02:44:59.140 I'm sorry.

02:44:59.440 I'm sorry.

02:44:59.540 I'm sorry.

02:44:59.560 I'm sorry.

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - January 20, 2023

Fed & Lawyer Explain Idaho Murders. Is Bryan Kohberger Guilty？ @LegalMindset

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