The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Fed Reacts To Infamous Serial Killer Ted Bundy! 30+ Murders, Prison Escapes, Trials & Execution

00:00:00.280 And we are live. What's up, guys? Welcome to Fed It, man. Today, we're going to talk about the most infamous serial killer in U.S. history.

00:00:06.900 We've got a lot to talk about, guys. Let's get right into it, man.

00:00:12.400 I was a special agent with Homeland Security Investigations, okay, guys? HSI.

00:00:15.680 The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug trafficking.

00:00:20.720 No one else has these documents, by the way.

00:00:23.080 Here's what Fed It covers.

00:00:24.200 Dr. Lafredo confirmed lacerations due to stepping on glass.

00:00:31.000 Murder Investigations.

00:00:32.040 You see him reaching in his jacket. You don't know.

00:00:34.320 And he's positioning.

00:00:34.940 Been on February 13, 2019.

00:00:36.640 You're facing two counts of two meditative murder.

00:00:39.780 Bracketeering and Rico conspiracies.

00:00:41.640 Young Slime Life here and after referred to as YSL.

00:00:44.180 This is 6ix9ine, and then this is Billy Seiko right here.

00:00:47.660 Now, when they first started, guys, 6ix9ine ran with me.

00:00:50.260 I'm a Fed. I'm watching this music video.

00:00:51.740 You know, I'm bobbing my head like, hey, this shit lit.

00:00:54.620 But at the same time, I'm pausing.

00:00:56.120 Oh, wait, who this? Right?

00:00:57.880 Who's that in the back?

00:00:59.960 Firearms and violent crime.

00:01:01.300 A.K.A. Bush IC violated.

00:01:03.140 You're wanting to stay away from the victim.

00:01:04.780 The strapper to the arrest after shooting at King of Diamonds, Miami strip club, injured one person.

00:01:08.880 This is the one that's going to fuck him up because this gun is not tracing.

00:01:12.300 Well, it happened at the gun range.

00:01:13.560 Here's your boy, 42 Doug, right here on the left.

00:01:15.840 Okay, sex trafficking and sex crimes.

00:01:17.540 They can effectively link him to paying an underage girl.

00:01:20.700 And the first bomb went off right here.

00:01:25.320 In respect to the shutdown in Baghdad, the site of the second explosion inspired by Al-Qaeda.

00:01:30.420 Two terrorists, the brothers, the Zokar Sarnab and Tamerlan Sarnab.

00:01:34.940 When the cartels shipped drugs into the country.

00:01:37.020 As this guy got arrested for espionage, okay, trading secrets with the Russians for monetary compensation.

00:01:43.400 The largest corrupt police bust in New Orleans history.

00:01:48.020 The days of the police are gone.

00:01:49.780 So he was in this bad boy.

00:01:51.140 We're going to go over his past.

00:01:52.920 The gang died so that this all makes sense.

00:01:55.280 And we're back.

00:02:02.520 What's up, guys?

00:02:03.000 Welcome to Fed It, man.

00:02:04.020 Happy to have you guys here, man.

00:02:05.780 This is going to be a big one.

00:02:07.680 This has probably been one of the most requested cases for us to do in a very long time.

00:02:16.640 Between O Block and the YSL case, Ted Bundy has always been up there.

00:02:22.040 As you guys know, I've been covering the serial killers more recently.

00:02:25.220 I did Jeffrey Dahmer.

00:02:26.500 Then I followed that up with the killer clown, John Wayne Gacy.

00:02:29.160 And now we're on the infamous Ted Bundy.

00:02:31.660 So quick announcement before we get into this case, guys, because we got a lot to cover on this.

00:02:35.540 I apologize for the slight delay, but I was spending – I've pretty much been spending weeks researching this case.

00:02:41.420 And then I spent all day putting everything together for you guys in a systematic review where it's going to make sense.

00:02:47.260 And, you know, you'll be able to understand and digest it properly from a chronological standpoint because there's so many different things and so many different pieces on this case.

00:02:54.960 But quick announcements, guys.

00:02:56.140 Number one, like the video, please.

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00:02:59.420 On here, we break down criminal cases.

00:03:00.760 We do a live stream every Sunday, and then we go ahead and give you guys a documentary breakdown every Thursday.

00:03:05.780 And then I release clips in between.

00:03:07.460 This channel is specialized towards, you know, reacting towards criminal cases of all different types I've covered, as you guys saw from the intro.

00:03:13.680 Terrorism, public corruption, espionage, bank robberies, gang cases, RICO's, everything, man.

00:03:18.720 I have all different types of cases I've covered, former special agent of Homeland Security.

00:03:21.740 So, you know, I'm in a position to be able to speak about this stuff from an investigator's perspective.

00:03:25.720 So it's unique because I don't think anyone else on YouTube does this type of stuff.

00:03:28.420 I've seen, like, you know, former police officers kind of react to stuff.

00:03:31.120 I've seen, like, lawyers.

00:03:31.960 But you've never seen a former federal agent do this.

00:03:34.760 So if you're new here, please subscribe to the channel, like the video.

00:03:38.660 So quick announcement before we get into today's episode.

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00:03:44.260 And then also, guys, the party, real fast.

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00:04:36.620 It's going to be awesome, guys.

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00:04:50.560 What was that?

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00:04:52.600 Oh, okay.

00:04:53.200 One ticket left for what?

00:04:54.300 For the $5,000.

00:04:55.520 Okay.

00:04:55.960 And then if you guys want to kick it with us and hang out with us and, you know, VIP and, you know, come to the studio and meet us and everything, we do have a $5,000 tier that you guys can jump in.

00:05:04.120 Like I said before, you don't have to spend a dollar.

00:05:05.580 We'll meet you for free regardless.

00:05:06.860 But if you want to partake in a party, the girls and the booze and the rooftops and, you know, all that other stuff, meet some celebs.

00:05:12.220 Check us out over there.

00:05:12.840 And then I'm here with Christina, by the way, as well.

00:05:15.620 Christina, you have anything you want to tell the people?

00:05:18.120 Hi.

00:05:18.440 Um, yeah.

00:05:20.120 If you guys want any, like, cases done, just contact the IG Feta 1811.

00:05:25.500 And before they even ask, Young Dolph.

00:05:28.520 Yeah, Young Dolph.

00:05:29.340 What about him?

00:05:30.100 Um, it's honestly, it's been a pain in that pain.

00:05:34.380 I'm just going to say that.

00:05:35.040 It's been a pain trying to get, like, somebody to actually go there and not be afraid because they've just been weird.

00:05:39.620 All right.

00:05:40.160 So long story short with the Young Dolph case, because you guys have been asking for this one for months as well.

00:05:43.960 That's up there with the Ted Bundy case, Ted Bundy case request.

00:05:47.820 Long story short, anyone we send over there to go ahead and get documents for that case, guys, they start asking them a bunch of questions.

00:05:52.520 Hey, why do you want these documents?

00:05:53.780 What's your name?

00:05:54.600 Where do you live?

00:05:55.220 Et cetera.

00:05:55.800 So I'm scaring off a bunch of the people that we've asked to go get the documents for us.

00:05:59.660 We're still working to get them, guys, because I want to give you guys the most thorough breakdown on that investigation.

00:06:04.940 I mean, I could do it now, but I want the documents.

00:06:07.160 You know, as you guys know, we've broken a lot of cases with getting documents for us, such as a Tory Lanez case, et cetera, where I broke for you guys that, yo, the doctor even said himself that she stepped on glass.

00:06:15.880 It didn't necessarily come from gunshot wounds, but you only get that type of stuff from getting the documents.

00:06:19.680 So it is what it is.

00:06:21.100 Did you have something to say?

00:06:22.360 No, it's just that it's just it's honestly because with all the cases I've been dealing with, it's never been like this.

00:06:27.920 So it's just.

00:06:29.200 All right.

00:06:29.660 Yeah.

00:06:30.020 Yeah.

00:06:30.420 So we're going to keep working for you guys on that on that Young Dolph case.

00:06:33.880 We haven't given up, guys.

00:06:34.620 Trust me.

00:06:34.920 We're still working on it.

00:06:35.800 But yeah, they've been extremely difficult because they try to say, oh, it has gang ties.

00:06:41.160 We don't want to release those documents, even though they're public record.

00:06:44.080 So anyway, let me hit some of these super chats real fast.

00:06:46.960 Thank you guys so much for donations.

00:06:48.160 I really appreciate it.

00:06:49.180 We got here Austrian and Serbo Croatian top goes.

00:06:52.860 Hey, my number 17, Serbo Croatian watching from Vienna, Austria.

00:06:56.620 Just got out of the relationship because she doing three or four stuff.

00:06:58.660 Stress only down to Marco.

00:06:59.620 Yeah, bro.

00:06:59.940 You don't give these three or fours your time, man.

00:07:01.820 It ain't worth it.

00:07:03.260 What else we got here?

00:07:04.180 And then we got Darnell Elliott.

00:07:05.260 Shout out to you, Mr. Gaines.

00:07:06.000 You are late again.

00:07:06.780 I'm giving you a counseling statement for this.

00:07:08.420 You need to get off black people time.

00:07:10.300 15 minute prior former Fed employee.

00:07:12.460 Amen.

00:07:12.760 It is what it is, bro.

00:07:13.500 You guys want the video to be good or not?

00:07:15.700 I could just start it, but then you'll have to pause it and stuff like that.

00:07:18.700 I'd rather start a little bit later and make sure that it's good to go versus like, you

00:07:22.440 know, starting it on time and they're like, oh, sorry, guys.

00:07:24.800 Give me a second here.

00:07:25.840 You know, oh, God, give me a break.

00:07:28.140 So I'd rather not to do that.

00:07:30.500 Jay Williams, 50 West Coast, watching from Fletzy and Glencoe.

00:07:32.520 Hey, shout out to you, my friend.

00:07:33.860 Congratulations on your career that you're embarking on, your federal law enforcement

00:07:36.600 career.

00:07:37.220 Myron, this channel is very inspiring as I'm looking at going the 1811 route next.

00:07:40.360 I'm currently here for UT, UPTP, Uniform Police Training.

00:07:44.060 All right.

00:07:44.280 Shout out to you, bro.

00:07:45.380 Congratulations on that.

00:07:46.620 Just make it through Fletzy, bro.

00:07:48.000 Just get the hell out of, you know, go through.

00:07:49.900 It is what it is.

00:07:50.480 Put your head down, do the work and, you know, get the hell out of there.

00:07:52.860 It sucks.

00:07:53.820 I dabble in the dark.

00:07:54.800 Myron's alter ego.

00:07:55.660 Thank you, sir.

00:07:57.900 You guys are fucking hilarious.

00:07:59.280 And then did I miss anything?

00:08:00.500 No.

00:08:01.400 All right.

00:08:01.740 And then notoriously welcome to being a new member for the show.

00:08:04.200 And we already got 1000 y'all in here.

00:08:05.440 So, OK, before I get into this breakdown, guys, like the video, I'm really excited to break

00:08:09.240 this one down.

00:08:10.040 This has been probably the most requested serial killer by far for you guys that you wanted to

00:08:14.620 get broken down.

00:08:15.200 So it took, you know, weeks of research.

00:08:16.900 I watched a bunch of different documentaries, watched the Netflix special, watched a bunch

00:08:20.500 of bullshit documentaries in the process as well.

00:08:22.280 So what I've basically done, guys, is I've gathered all the most pertinent content and

00:08:26.700 aligned it in a way where we'll be able to go through it systematically and following

00:08:30.560 the timeline of events.

00:08:31.500 But before we get into that, who the hell is Theodore Robert Bundy?

00:08:34.800 All right.

00:08:35.060 This is who he is, guys.

00:08:35.760 Born November 24th, 1946, died January 24th, 1989.

00:08:40.380 American serial killer who kidnapped, raped and murdered numerous young women and girls

00:08:44.460 during the 1970s and possibly earlier after more than a decade of denials.

00:08:48.420 He confessed to 30 murders committed in seven states between 1974, 1978.

00:08:52.660 Actually, they ended up finding out that he had murders before 1974, guys.

00:08:56.920 His true victim total is unknown and is significantly higher.

00:08:59.420 So they were able to pin him back to about 30 to 36, but, you know, he allegedly what

00:09:05.920 he confessed to.

00:09:06.980 But that's a quick little overview of who he is, guys.

00:09:09.680 This is a famous photo taken in 78 when he was in Florida, when he got indicted and the

00:09:15.720 sheriff was reading the indictment in front of him, which I will go ahead and show you

00:09:18.500 guys that video later on.

00:09:20.060 But for us to understand who the hell this guy was, we got to get into his beginnings.

00:09:24.260 OK, and then just so you all know, Christina is going to be highlighting every single

00:09:27.600 super chat that comes on.

00:09:29.180 We're going to be I'm going to read them, you know, every time I take a break or whatever,

00:09:32.140 but I want to make sure we get through this because we got a lot to cover here, guys.

00:09:35.680 But yeah, without further ado, man, let's go ahead and start playing this thing.

00:09:40.020 This is going to cover his his upbringing, because I think this is very important for

00:09:44.320 you guys to see what led to the crazy person that we ended up seeing later on.

00:09:51.100 OK, and this killer story begins in 1946.

00:09:57.660 Theodore Robert Bundy was born on the 24th of November at the Elizabeth Lund Home for

00:10:04.200 Unwed Mothers in Burlington, Vermont.

00:10:07.780 So you guys see it right on early.

00:10:09.960 No father figure born to a mom that had a wedlock with with zero masculine presence.

00:10:15.760 OK, in his early childhood, this was the 1940s in America that the ideal nuclear family was

00:10:24.060 mom and dad who were married, that nice family units where everything is very neat and very

00:10:29.880 defined.

00:10:30.900 And people who were outside of that ideal really were stigmatized to avoid.

00:10:36.960 Yeah, guys, nuclear family was the way to do things back then in the 40s.

00:10:40.200 You know, there was none of this, you know, single mother bullshit that we got going on

00:10:43.300 nowadays, like I'm by myself, I'm strong and independent like that didn't exist.

00:10:46.620 If you were a woman and you had a child out of wedlock, it was it was shunned.

00:10:50.960 OK, it was not acceptable.

00:10:52.780 So that's why they had shelters like that back in the 40s.

00:10:55.640 I mean, obviously, nowadays, that wouldn't exist because it would be overcrowded.

00:10:58.400 And also, just want to let you all know, I'm streaming live on Twitch as well, because

00:11:01.380 since I'm using documentaries to go ahead to different documentaries to piece this together

00:11:05.940 for you guys and cutting out all the bullshit, giving you guys the most pertinent stuff, what

00:11:09.240 might happen is they might shut the stream down in the middle, right, for copyright, whatever

00:11:12.320 the hell they may be, even though it's a reaction video commentary.

00:11:14.740 So if that happens, go on over to Twitch.

00:11:17.140 OK, guys, so I am live on Twitch right now.

00:11:19.540 The Twitch is fresh and fit.

00:11:21.040 Stay on YouTube.

00:11:21.680 But if it does go down and open up another tab just in case and watch it on Twitch as

00:11:25.520 well.

00:11:25.760 All right.

00:11:26.000 Just give you guys a warning here, because if it does go down, I want to make sure

00:11:29.360 y'all still get the content.

00:11:30.740 All right, let's keep going.

00:11:31.440 That judgment, Ted's 22-year-old mother, Eleanor, moved back to her parents' home in Philadelphia,

00:11:38.380 Pennsylvania, where her parents brought up Ted as their own.

00:11:44.240 The unusual part of his childhood is how he's raised.

00:11:47.580 He's adopted by his grandparents.

00:11:49.720 He's raised alongside a person who he is told is his sister.

00:11:54.740 Imagine that.

00:11:55.560 Like, your mom is your sister.

00:11:58.440 You didn't know.

00:11:59.120 Like, what the hell?

00:12:00.840 But she wasn't.

00:12:01.700 She was actually his mother.

00:12:02.960 This arrangement went on for almost four years, with Ted's grandparents as his main

00:12:08.980 carers.

00:12:09.800 His grandfather was quite a violent character.

00:12:12.100 So that suggests to me that very early on in his life, he's almost in a bit of a survival

00:12:18.040 mode.

00:12:18.660 I'm not safe within this home.

00:12:21.420 Just before his fourth birthday, Eleanor moved to Tacoma, Washington.

00:12:26.180 And just so you guys know, this is where he ends up, you know, living most of his adult

00:12:30.560 life is in the state of Washington.

00:12:32.300 That's where he identifies, where he's from, etc.

00:12:36.160 So he moves from New England.

00:12:38.540 Well, actually, in this case, from, you know, Vermont to Philly and then, bam, all the way

00:12:44.620 out west to Tacoma, Washington.

00:12:46.240 And that's where he ends up doing most of his, you know, growing up.

00:12:51.640 There she met and married Johnny Bundy in 1951.

00:12:55.620 They formally adopted Ted when he was five years old.

00:12:58.880 The couple had four children together.

00:13:01.240 But Ted reportedly didn't form a close bond with his new family and still believed his

00:13:06.860 mother was his sister.

00:13:08.620 Ted Bundy is somebody who has always been really conscious of his social class.

00:13:12.660 He came from quite humble beginnings that the family were quite poor.

00:13:16.100 And he was really quite aware of that and really quite embarrassed and ashamed by it.

00:13:21.460 And he accepted.

00:13:22.280 All right.

00:13:22.660 So he ends up going to the University of Washington, right?

00:13:25.720 And he was he was a smart guy, guys, which is why.

00:13:28.400 OK, this was so wild because and you guys are going to see as we continue to play this

00:13:33.300 on later that Bundy was extremely charismatic, charming, pause, good looking dude.

00:13:40.020 So he was able to evade detection for quite a bit of time.

00:13:44.540 So we'll go ahead and go into the college portion of of his timeline.

00:13:51.300 But in 1966, he enrolled at the University of Washington in Seattle and suddenly.

00:13:59.780 Which, by the way, you dub is an L, by the way, guys, I want to tell you all that right

00:14:02.400 now.

00:14:03.080 OK, and the reason why I say that is because I went to Northeastern.

00:14:07.100 They're the real Huskies, not University of Washington.

00:14:09.080 Well, let's keep going.

00:14:11.500 Here to blossom.

00:14:12.440 He was considered charming.

00:14:19.560 He was considered well-dressed.

00:14:21.240 He was considered educated.

00:14:23.280 And at that time, that was the only thing that people really paid much attention to.

00:14:30.480 Ted was popular at the University of Washington.

00:14:34.660 His professors thought he was great, that he was brilliant.

00:14:38.180 But research has shown that the prettier people get the better grades and better placements

00:14:45.020 and the not so pretty people don't do quite so well.

00:14:48.420 Yeah, this is the halo effect, guys.

00:14:49.940 In other words, if you're ugly, life sucks a lot.

00:14:51.960 You got to work a lot harder, my friends.

00:14:55.040 And that, I think, came to the point where people, because he was such a handsome young

00:15:01.040 man, basically overlooked any type of emptiness that was the core of him.

00:15:08.180 Anne Rule, now a best-selling author, was a volunteer at the Crisis Clinic, the Suicide

00:15:13.920 Helpline.

00:15:15.180 Yes, you guys heard that right.

00:15:17.860 Your boy, Ted Bundy, was working at a suicide crisis hotline.

00:15:22.440 ...met the attractive, charismatic young Bundy.

00:15:26.080 Ted and I would work as a team.

00:15:28.720 Ted was wonderful on the phone.

00:15:30.380 He was sound and caring.

00:15:32.840 He was interested in people.

00:15:34.960 I can still picture him hunched over the desk with a phone to his head.

00:15:41.300 And many times, we saved lives, which seems very ironic to me now.

00:15:49.220 But I got the sweet Ted, who would walk me out to my car at 2 in the morning when my shift

00:15:56.400 was over.

00:15:56.960 And he'd say, Anne, please lock the doors.

00:15:59.700 I don't want anything bad to happen to you on the way home.

00:16:02.920 Well, I'd just been locked up with probably the most dangerous man in the Western states.

00:16:11.700 Yo, this woman does not know how lucky she is, because this is right around the time the

00:16:18.140 killing spree pretty much is beginning, if not has already started.

00:16:21.720 Now, remember, they documented his killing starting in 1974, right?

00:16:26.340 However, they were able to pin it back to 1973 almost.

00:16:30.120 So this woman was working at a suicide crisis hotline with Ted Bundy.

00:16:36.140 And during the day, he was keeping people from putting guns in their mouths.

00:16:39.720 But during the night, he was out here chasing and hitting chicks with crowbars and shit,

00:16:43.080 which you guys are going to see here in a second.

00:16:45.540 But insane.

00:16:46.780 And this is a big part, guys, as to why Bundy was able to evade detection for so long.

00:16:52.900 He just fit in plain sight.

00:16:55.080 He didn't have the traditional crazy serial killer look.

00:16:59.320 He didn't have that thousand-yard stare like a Dahmer.

00:17:02.940 He didn't have the weirdoness of John Wayne Gacy and the homosexuality.

00:17:08.660 He was a heterosexual guy that was smart, charismatic.

00:17:13.340 And you guys are going to see, ends up going to law school.

00:17:15.500 And he was able to blend right in.

00:17:17.360 And people were unsuspecting.

00:17:20.980 Never had a clue.

00:17:25.300 Dan Lazares, a young law student,

00:17:28.180 shared the same boarding house as the seemingly bright and gifted Bundy.

00:17:33.520 Ted Bundy that I knew, there were things about him that were special, I would want to say.

00:17:39.580 Charisma.

00:17:40.020 I remember thinking what a handsome man he was, and probably, wistfully, myself, wishing that I was supposed to pause.

00:17:48.660 What?

00:17:49.520 So, I remember him being well-spoken, intellectual, unassuming, arrogant, but unassuming, in the sense of, I would say, disarming.

00:18:00.480 Well, Ted was at the university.

00:18:02.220 And guys, hold on to that little note right there when he says disarming, because you guys are going to see a tactic here that your boy Ted employs that is extremely, it's vile, but it's very smart as to get things done the way he ended up getting them done later on.

00:18:17.040 And I don't want to give away too much, but keep that word disarming in the back of your minds.

00:18:23.120 He met the woman of his dreams.

00:18:26.520 And he told me, she's everything I want.

00:18:31.140 She was beautiful.

00:18:32.600 She was rich.

00:18:33.980 So, he ends up finding his first girlfriend here, guys.

00:18:36.100 This is who she's describing.

00:18:37.380 She was popular.

00:18:38.440 And he was, he was really in love with her.

00:18:45.220 But after more than a year's romance, Bundy's dream girl began having second thoughts.

00:18:52.200 So, she gives him the, all right, because she came from an Afro family, but Ted did not.

00:18:58.400 And Ted is a broke college student at this point, guys.

00:19:00.460 So, let's see what happens.

00:19:01.700 She gives him the yeet.

00:19:03.300 She realized that Ted wasn't going anyplace.

00:19:06.300 He didn't have any real, he'd talk about politics and he'd talk about being a lawyer,

00:19:11.680 but he really wasn't going anyplace.

00:19:13.640 He wasn't carrying out things.

00:19:17.100 And she broke off with him.

00:19:25.140 And that just devastated him.

00:19:29.940 That was the catalyst, I always thought.

00:19:33.240 Bundy took that rejection very badly.

00:19:35.720 And then went out of his way to find a way of wooing her back.

00:19:42.600 All right.

00:19:43.140 So, I've always said this, and I'll say it one more time.

00:19:45.360 Typically, you know, guys either progress or regress after a breakup.

00:19:49.380 So, he uses it as motivation to get involved in some things and up his game.

00:19:54.220 And you guys are going to see here in a little bit what he's able to do with this newfound motivation from his girl breaking up with him.

00:20:00.240 Because remember, he wasn't able to afford her a certain lifestyle.

00:20:03.080 He didn't have the money.

00:20:03.740 She came from an affluent home.

00:20:04.700 He didn't.

00:20:05.760 So, he was never able to really measure up.

00:20:08.500 Let's see what he does.

00:20:10.960 Bundy threw himself into the dynamic world of law and politics, gaining a reputation as a rising star of the Republican Party.

00:20:18.860 All the while, he refused to give up on his dream girl.

00:20:26.580 By early 1974, the now seemingly high-achieving Bundy had won her back so completely, they began talking of marriage.

00:20:35.560 Then, abruptly and unexpectedly, he broke off all contact.

00:20:44.660 All right.

00:20:45.440 So, he breaks up with her, guys, right?

00:20:47.940 And so, he gets his revenge.

00:20:49.640 You know, he turns into Shao Kahn in this bitch.

00:20:52.660 And he goes ahead.

00:20:53.740 You know, he gets into politics.

00:20:55.320 He's helping the Republican Party out there.

00:20:57.600 He's, you know, shaking hands, kissing babies.

00:20:59.800 He's rubbing elbows with politicians.

00:21:01.720 You know, he's the man on campus.

00:21:03.240 And he gets her back.

00:21:04.100 And then, he says, you know what?

00:21:05.640 Fuck this shit.

00:21:06.460 I don't want to deal with you anymore.

00:21:07.860 He gives her the big heat.

00:21:09.520 And then, also, I want to let y'all know around this time as well, he was working for the school, like a crime prevention type job, right?

00:21:17.200 Where he was actually writing articles.

00:21:19.620 Get this, guys.

00:21:20.760 For girls on how to avoid getting kidnapped and raped.

00:21:26.820 Holy, bro.

00:21:27.900 Yeah.

00:21:28.280 Like, what the fuck?

00:21:29.120 Oh, shit.

00:21:29.680 So, he was out here working, writing articles, right?

00:21:33.280 Working with law enforcement, et cetera.

00:21:34.600 He was involved in politics.

00:21:36.420 He knew how law enforcement operated.

00:21:38.120 He was, you know, studying law.

00:21:40.780 He ended up getting a psychology degree, but he always wanted to be a lawyer.

00:21:43.460 And he was writing articles to try to keep women, right?

00:21:48.620 Or prevent women from getting kidnapped.

00:21:50.860 So, this goes to show the type of guy that Ted Bundy was, okay?

00:21:57.340 And why he was such a prolific serial killer and why he's so infamous.

00:22:00.220 Because he goes 100% against the grain as to what people think, okay?

00:22:05.820 And then we got here a big super chat.

00:22:07.900 Just saw it come in.

00:22:08.780 Juan Willa Nueva.

00:22:09.600 Thank you so much, my friend.

00:22:11.820 Willa Nueva.

00:22:12.880 You have no idea how much you have helped me ever since I found FNF a year ago.

00:22:16.100 I was on a dark spot.

00:22:17.360 But thanks to you doing God's work, I started to improve in every way and managed to get a job in the U.S.

00:22:21.280 moving from Mexico legally.

00:22:22.840 I thank you with the small super chat I bought with my first U.S. CC.

00:22:27.340 And I wish you all the best.

00:22:28.780 Congrats on one mil.

00:22:29.440 Another one for you, my friend.

00:22:30.340 Thank you so much.

00:22:30.900 You guys really, you guys make my day, man.

00:22:35.160 Because like I said before, you know, like this channel especially, like this channel isn't about making money, guys.

00:22:40.060 This channel is more about like educating you guys, giving you guys some entertainment, helping you guys learn about how the criminal justice system works,

00:22:45.440 and giving you guys another perspective that you probably will never, ever hear real time.

00:22:50.300 You know, how many special agents are you going to meet that are actually on YouTube that can give you guys an honest assessment of how law enforcement works on this side?

00:22:56.840 You know, you might get a lawyer's perspective or police officers, but an actual investigator that did all different types of cases, you're not really going to get that.

00:23:02.960 So, you know, I really enjoy this channel because it almost kind of helps me relive what I used to do because I do miss that job, guys.

00:23:08.540 I think about it every fucking day.

00:23:10.320 But, you know, it is what it is.

00:23:11.620 It just I just had to, you know, things turned out a certain way and I'm here now.

00:23:16.580 So, you know, obviously I left on good terms.

00:23:18.780 I resigned.

00:23:19.340 But, you know, I had to pick one, YouTube or the job.

00:23:21.700 And obviously you can't do both.

00:23:22.860 You can't have clout while simultaneously, you know, arresting bad guys just doesn't work that way.

00:23:27.320 Do you want to do all the school chats?

00:23:29.840 I'll I'll I'll I'll go to the next video.

00:23:32.080 So, OK, so just a quick little rewind here of what the hell is going on.

00:23:36.160 So for some of you guys that are joining us, because we're almost at 2000 live viewers right now.

00:23:40.820 So Ted Bunny grows up in, you know, you know, poor conditions, guys.

00:23:44.600 He's born to a mother that was at a wedlock in Vermont.

00:23:48.700 She moves to Philadelphia.

00:23:49.700 Then she ends up moving to Washington.

00:23:51.080 He grows up thinking that his mom was actually a sister, was raised by his grandparents.

00:23:55.780 She he ends up finding on later that it was his mom.

00:23:58.020 She he gets she ends up marrying another man.

00:24:00.240 That guy, he adopts that guy's last name.

00:24:02.480 Right.

00:24:02.860 The infamous Bundy last name and grows up in kind of a rocky household.

00:24:06.480 However, and bright, intelligent, ends up going to the University of Washington, makes friends there, gets into politics, gets a girlfriend.

00:24:13.480 She breaks up with him.

00:24:14.440 He improves the situation.

00:24:15.420 He becomes a higher status guy on campus, which I've talked to you guys about this before on college campus.

00:24:20.400 The status is everything.

00:24:21.460 She goes ahead, gets back with him, and then he drops her like, you know, like a hot potato.

00:24:26.800 Now we're going to fast forward, guys, to February 4th, 1974.

00:24:31.560 This is Ted Bundy's first murder.

00:24:34.840 OK, guys.

00:24:35.920 So let's go ahead and roll the clip.

00:24:38.360 Linda, February 4th, 1974.

00:24:44.640 And Healy.

00:24:45.420 Sorry, February 1st.

00:24:46.640 It was a very popular young woman because she was on the radio five days a week at seven o'clock in the morning.

00:24:54.840 She gave the ski report.

00:24:56.280 In all of my years of studying murder, I've never heard of an abduction quite like the Linda Ann Healy abduction.

00:25:05.560 I was one of many who listened to her in the morning, and I realized the day that she wasn't on the air, that there was something unusual.

00:25:14.960 She never showed up for work.

00:25:17.240 Linda used to frequent a bar, Dante's Tavern.

00:25:19.480 On the last night of her life, Linda Ann Healy went to Dante's with another girl and a friend of theirs.

00:25:27.800 But he probably did follow them home and waited, and he checked the front door, and it was unlocked.

00:25:37.920 This is what makes this abduction so incredibly surreal.

00:25:42.100 He goes down in the basement.

00:25:43.800 Guys, this is reckless what you're about to see right now, man.

00:25:46.360 Wildness.

00:25:47.260 Enters Healy's room.

00:25:48.420 He's aware that there's another bedroom on the other side.

00:25:51.920 He would tell a brighter later that he choked her.

00:25:56.240 He moves her off the bed.

00:25:57.300 He takes her nightie off of her, hangs it up in the closet, and he makes the bed, almost like in a military fashion.

00:26:04.660 And he carries her at the end of the night.

00:26:06.500 He takes her down the front steps, and they're steep steps, to wherever his car's parked, and puts her in there.

00:26:11.320 He would turn the passenger seat around so it was flat.

00:26:20.200 And this guy ends up being a huge identifying factor, which gets him in trouble later on in his little buggy right there, how the passenger seat was always tampered with, which was like weird.

00:26:32.800 Why would the hell would you have the front passenger seat always either down, out, laid down flat?

00:26:38.620 Strange.

00:26:39.360 So this is going to be an identifying factor later on.

00:26:41.740 So hold on to that.

00:26:44.160 And I asked him why he did that once.

00:26:46.240 He said, well, because that's the way he put his cargo in the car.

00:26:52.460 Cargo?

00:26:52.860 Oh, my God.

00:26:54.260 Oh, shit!

00:26:54.900 Oh, shit!

00:26:55.560 Oh, shit!

00:26:56.000 And this is a former defense attorney as well in the 70s.

00:26:59.800 How's that for disgusting?

00:27:02.620 Once he got girls to the destination, he raped them.

00:27:07.760 He bludgeoned them.

00:27:09.260 He molested their bodies.

00:27:12.280 And from there, the nightmare.

00:27:13.500 So she goes missing, right?

00:27:14.780 This is, you know, the first woman to go missing in the greater Seattle area, right?

00:27:21.900 And this is just one of many to come, my friends.

00:27:25.320 So let's keep rolling.

00:27:26.740 And then also, you know, I can hit some of these chats real fast.

00:27:30.080 And then also, just so y'all know, I know some of you guys said that I'm shadow banned.

00:27:32.780 The thing is, guys, you got to search Feta 1811.

00:27:34.680 That's why I have to switch the name from Reddit to Feta.

00:27:37.180 That chick looks like a bunny, LMFAO.

00:27:39.780 Okay.

00:27:40.320 Thank you.

00:27:41.940 Who else?

00:27:42.840 Slim Shady, five bucks.

00:27:43.640 Is there a case that scarred you or where you had to step away for a second?

00:27:47.720 I've seen a lot of crazy shit, man.

00:27:49.140 I've seen a lot of crazy shit.

00:27:50.040 I'm desensitized to it at this point.

00:27:52.900 Hey, bro, can you put your face cam while you play the video?

00:27:55.940 Also, everyone liked the stream.

00:27:57.780 I guess I can.

00:27:59.140 The reason why I want to give y'all a better viewing experience.

00:28:01.560 That's why.

00:28:02.600 That's why I full screen it for you guys.

00:28:04.480 Fed it with the hairline up clean.

00:28:07.680 Thank you so much.

00:28:08.180 I appreciate it.

00:28:08.620 Yeah, my hair is growing back, guys.

00:28:09.820 Slowly but surely.

00:28:10.820 If you watch the older episodes of Fed it, this thing was bald as hell.

00:28:13.360 But it's coming back, man.

00:28:14.860 Mitchell Rush goes, hey, Myr, quick question.

00:28:16.680 Would you ever consider covering the Enron scandal from early 2000?

00:28:19.840 Oh, so congrats on the two-year mark.

00:28:21.000 That's the first request for Enron.

00:28:22.780 Yeah, I could do embezzlement and financial fraud as well.

00:28:26.100 I haven't done a big financial case yet for y'all.

00:28:28.900 Those aren't as exciting.

00:28:29.880 Eshtino, LS5 bucks.

00:28:30.760 Thank you so much.

00:28:32.200 Anybody else?

00:28:33.000 Yeah, I'm going down.

00:28:33.780 And then the Batman is here.

00:28:35.040 Thank you for another video to listen to through my shift.

00:28:37.760 Got you, man.

00:28:38.220 No worries.

00:28:39.600 And I think that's it.

00:28:40.600 Oh, wait.

00:28:40.880 One more.

00:28:41.360 Okay.

00:28:43.460 Eshtino, can you do the Black Dahlia case?

00:28:45.880 I'll have to research that one.

00:28:47.580 That's the first request I've gotten for that one.

00:28:49.840 Right.

00:28:50.040 So, yeah.

00:28:51.100 Everything's finally popping up.

00:28:52.240 It's like on fast mode.

00:28:53.740 Okay.

00:28:54.280 It's fine.

00:28:54.700 We'll keep rolling with the clip.

00:28:56.840 So, so Laura Ann Healy, guys, goes missing first.

00:29:00.340 And then Donna Manson, she disappeared from Evergreen State College.

00:29:09.400 And then you have the abduction of Susan Rancourt from Central Washington.

00:29:15.980 Susan Rancourt in Ellensburg was on her way to a meeting to see about being a dorm counselor.

00:29:22.060 In May of 1974, Roberta Kathleen Parks went missing.

00:29:27.220 And in those days, it was reported just as a missing student.

00:29:32.040 And these young women started disappearing and people wondered what's going on here.

00:29:36.420 So, look at this.

00:29:37.160 You start seeing a bunch of random disappearances of women, college-age women, all pretty much have the same look, guys.

00:29:43.240 Dark hair, parted in the middle.

00:29:45.700 There's some speculation, by the way.

00:29:48.840 My bad.

00:29:49.780 There's some speculation, guys.

00:29:51.040 The reason why he picked these types of women is because they all looked like his first girlfriend, Stephanie.

00:29:57.080 The one that had rejected him before that he ended up rejecting later on.

00:29:59.840 I think her name was Stephanie.

00:30:00.920 But either way, that's why that's, you know, some theorists, you know, claim that's why he picked women that look that way.

00:30:06.760 But if you look.

00:30:08.680 Oh.

00:30:09.040 Well, I think we're still live on Twitch, guys.

00:30:14.080 Really?

00:30:14.740 Yeah.

00:30:15.840 Yeah, come on over to Twitch.

00:30:16.980 I knew this was coming.

00:30:18.260 You didn't even, like, play all of it.

00:30:20.100 I knew.

00:30:20.640 No, I know.

00:30:21.260 But I knew that was going to come.

00:30:24.920 All right, guys.

00:30:25.480 Come on over to Twitch.

00:30:28.440 I knew that was going to happen.

00:30:30.520 Damn.

00:30:30.840 Do you want to read these super chats real fast?

00:30:32.520 I can when everybody gets over.

00:30:35.060 I knew that was coming.

00:30:36.540 Yeah.

00:30:37.020 Did you want to restart it or no?

00:30:39.040 Nah.

00:30:39.740 We'll just keep running it.

00:30:41.600 That's what I would normally do.

00:30:42.720 We'll just keep running it.

00:30:46.460 So.

00:30:47.420 Hey.

00:30:48.020 Check this out.

00:30:50.460 I want to try.

00:30:52.300 All right, guys.

00:30:53.680 Sorry.

00:30:54.460 I knew this was going to happen.

00:30:56.240 So, come on over to Twitch, ninjas.

00:30:58.940 Come on over to Twitch.

00:31:00.680 Do they stupid chat in Twitch?

00:31:02.680 So, I'll remove this stream.

00:31:10.000 Come on over to Twitch, guys.

00:31:23.140 Yep.

00:31:23.460 We'll wait for everybody to pile in over on Twitch, and then we'll get this thing going

00:31:28.360 back again.

00:31:29.140 How do I?

00:31:32.140 Shout out to y'all.

00:31:32.840 Shout out to y'all.

00:31:33.380 Come on over to Twitch, guys.

00:31:34.660 Come on over to Twitch.

00:31:35.820 And I'll get this thing going.

00:31:38.100 We're going on Twitch.

00:31:39.080 We're live on Twitch right now.

00:31:41.060 Come on over to Twitch, guys.

00:31:42.580 Here's the link.

00:31:47.500 And I'll pin it as well.

00:31:51.440 Knew that was coming.

00:31:54.820 I feel like you've done, like, other ones, but it hasn't stopped it.

00:31:58.420 Yeah.

00:31:58.800 No, it's fine.

00:31:59.440 I figured this could happen.

00:32:01.160 So, we'll just keep rolling it on Twitch, and then I'll re-upload it to YouTube.

00:32:04.640 It's not a big deal.

00:32:06.680 All right, guys.

00:32:07.420 Come on over.

00:32:08.040 Come on over.

00:32:08.740 Come on over.

00:32:09.580 So, we're on Twitch right now, because I knew that shit was going to happen.

00:32:15.480 Wait.

00:32:15.900 So, like.

00:32:18.760 All right.

00:32:19.300 Cool.

00:32:20.680 So, yeah.

00:32:21.220 They're piling into Twitch right now.

00:32:23.040 I'll give it a second, guys.

00:32:24.860 And then we'll keep going.

00:32:27.500 So.

00:32:28.580 And I'll tell y'all.

00:32:29.740 Let me see here.

00:32:30.200 I'll go into YouTube studio and see what it says.

00:32:39.580 All right.

00:32:49.980 Come on over, guys.

00:32:51.100 Come on over.

00:32:52.900 So, I knew that was going to happen.

00:32:56.860 We got 900 over here on Twitch right now.

00:33:00.480 And I'm going to start going here very soon.

00:33:02.720 That's crazy.

00:33:13.940 All right.

00:33:15.740 All right.

00:33:16.220 Cool.

00:33:21.280 All right.

00:33:21.780 So.

00:33:23.500 I'm going to just edit this part out here.

00:33:25.660 So, quick recap, guys.

00:33:27.160 I'm going to.

00:33:27.720 What I'll do is.

00:33:28.260 When I put this up on YouTube, I'll go ahead and just edit this stuff out.

00:33:30.840 So, yeah.

00:33:31.880 Come on over to Twitch, guys.

00:33:34.280 So, all right.

00:33:35.260 So, okay.

00:33:36.240 Quick little recap before all this crap happened.

00:33:38.840 All right.

00:33:41.060 So, what we covered, guys, is basically.

00:33:43.780 So, Ted Bundy.

00:33:44.900 Right.

00:33:45.700 Humble beginnings.

00:33:47.180 Born in Vermont.

00:33:48.320 To an unwed woman.

00:33:50.320 Right.

00:33:50.680 Born out of wedlock.

00:33:51.980 Mother out of shame.

00:33:52.840 Back in the 40s.

00:33:53.720 Moves with her family in Philly.

00:33:55.220 Ends up moving.

00:33:56.260 You know.

00:33:56.500 And she's deemed as his sister throughout his entire childhood.

00:33:58.920 Then ends up moving to Tacoma, Washington with her.

00:34:02.260 She ends up remarrying a man named Bundy.

00:34:05.040 With the last name Bundy.

00:34:05.960 Ted takes that name over.

00:34:07.620 And then he, you know, goes through his childhood.

00:34:10.020 Really kind of, you know, humble beginnings.

00:34:12.100 Doesn't really get along with the family too much.

00:34:13.460 But he's a smart guy.

00:34:14.560 Ends up going to University of Washington.

00:34:16.220 Meets his first girlfriend.

00:34:17.780 Who has dark hair apart in the middle.

00:34:19.860 And she ends up breaking up with him.

00:34:21.620 And he takes that as motivation to go ahead and become a better man.

00:34:24.680 Ends up getting into politics.

00:34:25.960 Gets involved with the Republican Party.

00:34:27.220 Becomes the man on campus.

00:34:29.200 Charming, etc.

00:34:30.520 Gets involved with crime prevention.

00:34:33.400 Helping young women avoid being kidnapped and raped, etc.

00:34:36.480 Ironically enough.

00:34:37.620 Then he ends up, you know, committing his first murder.

00:34:42.860 With Ms. Healy.

00:34:44.400 February 1st, 1974.

00:34:46.460 And then after that.

00:34:47.640 A bunch of women go missing.

00:34:49.640 In the greater Washington area.

00:34:52.800 And the police are kind of baffled.

00:34:55.220 Right?

00:34:55.360 So that's kind of where we left off.

00:34:56.900 So let's go ahead and keep rolling the clip, guys.

00:34:59.480 Wait.

00:34:59.680 Did you want to do the last of the chats on YouTube?

00:35:01.760 We'll just run with this one for now.

00:35:03.480 Okay.

00:35:03.860 And then I'll read those chats later on.

00:35:05.340 And then Brenda Ball was abducted near the flame tavern.

00:35:12.660 She wasn't a college student.

00:35:15.120 That made it all the more challenging because it adds to the randomness of the victims.

00:35:20.340 He took his victims from where he could fit in.

00:35:24.400 I mean, he fit in great.

00:35:28.200 This is the psychological factor.

00:35:30.500 You don't think a killer of women is going to be a good-looking, articulate young man.

00:35:37.180 You're not thinking in terms like that.

00:35:39.660 George Ann Hawkins was a student at the University of Washington.

00:35:47.280 George Ann was abducted in June of 1974.

00:35:53.200 She disappeared from an alley one night behind Greek Rome.

00:35:57.040 Being a university district, people are walking around all hours.

00:36:00.640 So imagine this, guys.

00:36:01.460 You got a crazy killer running around, right?

00:36:03.860 And this is like Candyland for him because there's a bunch of young, attractive women,

00:36:09.260 you know, all concentrated in one small geographic area.

00:36:12.800 So he's able to kind of just like, oh, my God, and just, you know, prowl around at night in his,

00:36:17.980 you know, Volkswagen and pick up girls and attack them and just kind of drag them off without anyone really knowing.

00:36:24.100 Guys, this is the 1970s, okay?

00:36:25.940 It's not like today where everyone had cell phones and there's cameras everywhere.

00:36:30.340 These were different times, okay?

00:36:33.960 Let's keep rolling it.

00:36:36.380 She went down the alley.

00:36:38.180 There was Bundy.

00:36:38.880 He was moving up.

00:36:41.000 And this is actually from him, guys, when he's confessing to the murder.

00:36:44.700 So this is him describing the event.

00:36:46.960 The alley using a briefcase and some crutches and the young woman walked down.

00:36:53.520 I saw her round the north end of the block into the alley and stop for a moment

00:36:59.040 and then keep on walking down the alley toward me.

00:37:02.120 And about halfway down the block, I encountered her and asked her to help me carry the briefcase,

00:37:07.520 which she did.

00:37:08.400 And we walked back up the alley.

00:37:10.060 Does he look like a killer?

00:37:11.760 Nah.

00:37:12.060 Does he look like an abductor of women?

00:37:14.480 No.

00:37:15.220 He looks like somebody in need.

00:37:16.700 He's got like a leg cast on his.

00:37:18.240 And this, you guys, are going to notice is one of his main things that he does is he puts himself

00:37:22.040 in vulnerable positions where he does what looks disarming, guys.

00:37:27.620 So girls are like, oh, yeah, I'll help you out.

00:37:29.000 You got a cast.

00:37:29.620 You got crutches, et cetera.

00:37:30.860 And this was one of his ploys to lure women into helping him to get something over to his car,

00:37:36.060 whether it was books, a boat, whatever it was, right?

00:37:37.960 And you guys are going to talk.

00:37:38.600 We're going to talk about a boat here in a second.

00:37:40.100 And he was able to use that to lure the women over.

00:37:42.720 The next thing you know, he hits him in the head with a crowbar.

00:37:44.960 All right.

00:37:45.240 So this is one of his tactics.

00:37:48.380 Let's get back into the clip.

00:37:50.960 On these crutches.

00:37:52.480 I went to his room one night.

00:37:54.440 He had crutches leaning against the wall by the door to his room.

00:37:58.900 And I asked him what it was.

00:38:00.320 What was that for?

00:38:02.280 And he said that his landlord had hurt himself and was on crutches,

00:38:07.580 but he was going to take the crutches back to the rental place.

00:38:10.700 So that made sense to me.

00:38:12.840 So they weren't his, according to him.

00:38:14.760 Right.

00:38:16.160 He had placed a crowbar behind the right rear tire.

00:38:20.500 Basically, when I reached the car, what happened was I knocked her unconscious with the crowbar.

00:38:25.960 So he had the crowbar staged, guys, on top of one of the tires, man.

00:38:29.300 What the hell?

00:38:30.100 Oh, shit!

00:38:30.800 Oh, shit!

00:38:31.200 So, I mean, if that doesn't show, you know, the guy's meticulousness, I don't know what does.

00:38:37.520 He hit her with such force that she came out of one of her shoes, and both her earrings flew off.

00:38:44.960 And that's why he kept the passenger side of the car down, guys, so that he can lay them

00:38:59.040 back there without anyone really noticing or arousing suspicion.

00:39:01.820 And drive to a spot that he's already picked out, going to be off of a main highway.

00:39:08.780 He said sometimes you can check the moon out, too.

00:39:11.560 And just so y'all know, that guy, Bill Hagmeyer, he's an FBI profiler.

00:39:15.000 He was the one that was responsible for doing most of the interviews with Ted Bundy after he was arrested.

00:39:19.160 When it's going to be bright, I don't have to leave my headlights on to see what I'm doing.

00:39:23.620 And the speed with which she would have had to have been abducted tells you that probably

00:39:29.520 the person that had done this before.

00:39:31.560 We really could not find anything definitive that tied all the victims together.

00:39:38.400 Bam.

00:39:39.260 So, at this point, the police don't know what the hell's going on, guys.

00:39:43.400 So that's going to take us to part three here, okay?

00:39:46.540 How were they able to finally identify Bundy?

00:39:50.780 So this is really, you know, important stuff here.

00:39:54.160 And also, I want you guys to know that the climate in the 1970s, man, just so y'all know,

00:39:59.080 the police didn't have databases.

00:40:01.900 There was no formal database like there is today, like NCIC, NLITS, et cetera,

00:40:05.560 which these databases connect all the different police agencies, right,

00:40:09.000 where they're able to go ahead and look up criminal histories in there.

00:40:11.240 They're able to look up registration tags, all this other stuff.

00:40:14.000 It wasn't like that, guys.

00:40:14.960 They didn't have one central location where they can go ahead and put information into.

00:40:18.080 So it was very difficult for police agencies back then to communicate.

00:40:20.940 Who knew this, though?

00:40:21.900 Ted Bundy knew this because why?

00:40:23.520 He was involved in politics.

00:40:24.640 He was involved with working with law enforcement.

00:40:26.620 And he was also a part of the Crime Prevention Committee in the Seattle area.

00:40:33.020 So he was out here writing articles to keep girls from getting kidnapped and raped.

00:40:36.200 So he knew what the hell was going on.

00:40:38.360 So that's why he was able to act in such a brazen fashion that, you know, we're looking

00:40:43.020 at it now in 2022.

00:40:44.060 You would be like, what the hell is this guy reckless?

00:40:45.520 But he knew the system back then, and he knew he'd be able to get away, which that hubris

00:40:49.060 ended up costing him later on.

00:40:50.520 But let's roll the clip.

00:40:51.700 So now we're at a point where we got several missing college-age women in the greater Washington

00:40:57.580 area, the greater Seattle, Washington area.

00:40:59.920 Fear swept all across the state of Washington.

00:41:02.300 Dan Hawkins was last seen Monday evening shortly.

00:41:04.740 When someone was abducting young women.

00:41:06.960 It's hard to say whether there's any foul play or not.

00:41:09.200 There was incredible pressure on law enforcement to find the person who was responsible for

00:41:15.300 causing these women to go missing.

00:41:16.900 Thank you very much for calling.

00:41:19.200 What cleverness or what sophistication of the suspect are you looking for that can manage

00:41:28.440 to pull that off?

00:41:29.380 There were no clues whatsoever.

00:41:32.300 I mean, it's kind of remarkable that nobody saw anything, but Lake Sammamish was another

00:41:35.800 story.

00:41:38.000 All right.

00:41:38.540 So this is going to be a turning point here, guys.

00:41:41.180 Lake Sammamish State Park in Washington.

00:41:43.540 Very popular state park, especially in the summertime with people visiting.

00:41:49.580 Lake Sammamish State Park was huge.

00:41:51.720 It was a magnet for all of us, young and old.

00:41:54.020 Like a place you would go to in the Midwest or something with this old-fashioned concession stand

00:41:58.180 and people just coming out with their little sailboats or coming out to sun.

00:42:04.700 July 14th, 1974.

00:42:06.500 The place was absolutely packed.

00:42:08.580 There were 40,000 people there.

00:42:10.540 I saw him that morning.

00:42:13.720 He came over.

00:42:14.480 We weren't getting along real well, so I was surprised that he came in and wanted to know

00:42:18.260 what I was going to do that day.

00:42:19.680 I said I was going to go to a park and lay in the sun.

00:42:22.260 Molly was in Utah.

00:42:23.720 He asked me which park, and I think he was just wanting to know if you're going to Lake

00:42:27.720 Sammamish, then he wouldn't be going that way.

00:42:30.900 He'd go to another park.

00:42:31.800 A number of people that day at Lake Sammamish were taking photos and shooting film.

00:42:37.580 So this film, guys, and this actually is the actual real footage here from Lake Sammamish

00:42:41.740 that summer, or that spring, yeah, I think it was summertime.

00:42:45.100 This is going to be critical in them being able to figure out who the hell was behind what's

00:42:49.980 about to occur.

00:42:50.560 So one of the rare situations where they actually have film, but there was thousands of people

00:42:56.620 at this place.

00:42:57.600 Little did they know the police would want to.

00:42:59.780 And that was his old girlfriend, Elizabeth.

00:43:01.180 And the reason, I don't know why her neck is like that, by the way, guys.

00:43:03.260 I have no idea.

00:43:03.940 But that was his main girlfriend back in a time where she actually had children.

00:43:10.440 Where, sorry, where she actually, where he raised, he was with her and her child.

00:43:16.100 To review this footage.

00:43:20.560 Ted was able to meld into the crowd.

00:43:30.560 And I want you guys to pay attention to how he runs his scheme in this situation.

00:43:38.560 He was wearing casual beach type clothing.

00:43:45.100 He was able to strike up conversations with people.

00:43:50.560 He was able to convince Denise Naslund and Janice Ott to help him with the ruse that he had

00:43:59.620 a sailboat, that he had his arm in a fake sling.

00:44:03.680 So he shows up at the lake with a sling on, saying, you know, I need help, you know, with my sailboat.

00:44:12.140 And he's able to kind of famoose these two young women.

00:44:15.220 Okay.

00:44:16.420 Let's see what ends up happening next.

00:44:17.600 He has seen the silence of the lambs, where the killer had that, trying to get that couch into the van and he's got a cast on.

00:44:27.860 That, that all came from Ted Bundy.

00:44:30.160 Can I help you with that?

00:44:33.040 Would you?

00:44:34.200 Sure.

00:44:35.660 Bundy was a real schemer.

00:44:38.400 Remember that these abductions were benign on the face of them.

00:44:45.040 They were always Bundy approaching the women in a state of, of presumed need or weakness.

00:44:53.240 Can you help me carry my books, my arms in a sling?

00:44:56.640 Can you help me load my sailboat onto my car?

00:44:59.380 There were three women that saw Janice Hott roll her bicycle up to the beach and lay it down.

00:45:07.880 And she had on a yellow bikini.

00:45:12.960 And then they observed this man walk up to her.

00:45:21.820 So finally, we got witnesses seeing Ted Bundy in the sling.

00:45:26.760 And they heard her get up and say, hi, I'm Jan.

00:45:34.020 And he said, I'm Ted.

00:45:37.440 Gotcha, bitch.

00:45:38.520 He gave his real name.

00:45:41.200 Stupid.

00:45:41.800 She was last seen headed toward the parking lot, pushing her bike with him walking next to her.

00:45:48.220 So that's where, that's where they had seen her prior, right?

00:45:53.160 Where, where he met her.

00:45:54.400 And then bam, this is the car where he had it parked.

00:45:56.680 So he was able to talk her into walking with him.

00:45:59.020 Oh, my arms in a sling.

00:45:59.960 I need help, et cetera.

00:46:01.120 And you know, guys, think about it.

00:46:02.380 Think of, think of the temperament at this point, right?

00:46:04.800 It's a nice sunny day.

00:46:06.200 It's beautiful out.

00:46:07.360 It's warm.

00:46:08.060 Everyone's out there having a good time, drinking some beers, whatever it may be.

00:46:11.120 Oh, yo, my arm is fucked up.

00:46:12.780 Can you help me out?

00:46:13.640 Well, I'm trying to get my sailboat out.

00:46:15.220 You're not going to question a guy like that, especially a dude like him that's charismatic,

00:46:18.840 charming.

00:46:19.220 Oh, I go to University of Washington, et cetera.

00:46:21.700 So college age guy, they're not, you know, they're not going to suspect anything.

00:46:25.000 And then at the time, guys, those Volkswagen buggies that he was driving, very popular car.

00:46:29.700 So it was nothing out of the ordinary.

00:46:31.300 Him walking next to her.

00:46:33.980 And then she's never seen again.

00:46:37.580 We did have about five or six other women come forward that said that they had been approached

00:46:44.260 by the guy with his arm in a sling.

00:46:48.580 And they look just like Janice, Denise, Naslin.

00:46:54.100 First, Janice went missing.

00:46:56.280 And that was earlier in the morning.

00:46:58.820 She disappeared.

00:47:00.340 And then later, he came back to the park.

00:47:03.020 McCartney and Wings, Juniors, Farm, KJR, Seattle, and Kevin O'Brien at 4.09.

00:47:12.960 It was a Sunday afternoon.

00:47:14.660 And my buddy and I, we noticed off to the side, this guy just a few feet from us standing

00:47:19.080 in front of the women's bathroom.

00:47:20.700 And he was dressed in nice, casual clothes.

00:47:23.520 But the oddest thing about it is he had...

00:47:25.240 All right.

00:47:25.380 So we're going to fast forward here, right?

00:47:27.200 How they were able to kind of figure this out.

00:47:29.980 So those two women go missing, right?

00:47:31.540 All that people who were at the park that day, who were taking photographs of their friends

00:47:38.040 and family, any filming that they had done, turned over their photographs.

00:47:41.880 And so you got thousands of people turning over footage and photographs and video and

00:47:45.300 everything else like that from that situation.

00:47:48.080 Filmed to us to see if we could find something that would be a clue.

00:47:54.820 The Lake Sammamish abductions would come back to bite Bundy.

00:47:59.140 People saw him and he identified himself as Ted.

00:48:04.320 There's a Ted and he drives a Volkswagen and he's handsome.

00:48:08.320 And...

00:48:09.040 Well, a bunch of things coming together, right?

00:48:12.280 Cast, vehicle, being charming, handsome, pause.

00:48:16.460 So all these things are coming back to bite him in the ass.

00:48:19.100 From the witnesses that saw him were composite drawings made.

00:48:23.320 Oh, shit.

00:48:25.060 And you guys look at that picture.

00:48:26.820 Looks surprisingly like our boy, doesn't it?

00:48:28.960 Guy named Ted.

00:48:30.220 Very similar look.

00:48:34.120 Yo, what?

00:48:35.740 Oh.

00:48:38.680 That's an L for Ted right there, man.

00:48:40.880 Whoever, you know, went to that sketch artist was fantastic at being able to describe him.

00:48:47.760 That's an L for our boy, Ted, right there, my friends.

00:48:53.860 When the picture came out, no question in our minds.

00:48:58.980 No question that this was the guy.

00:49:01.460 Each lead has to be followed.

00:49:02.720 Every phone call has to be made.

00:49:04.500 Most lead nowhere.

00:49:05.820 Some pan out with a speck of information that may someday help clear up the mystery of the whereabouts of Janisat and Denise Naslin.

00:49:13.640 All right.

00:49:16.620 So basically, guys, a bunch of women are missing.

00:49:20.280 Now we got another two ladies missing from from the lake.

00:49:24.500 Right.

00:49:24.940 And that spurs the police to say, yo, we got a bunch of women that are already missing from the greater Seattle, Washington area.

00:49:30.360 And on top of that, now we got two other women that are missing.

00:49:32.920 But they were seen talking to some dude named Ted with a sling trying to get them to help him with a sailboat.

00:49:38.520 Fortunately, there were a bunch of witnesses there that saw Ted, saw him with the sling, saw the sailboat.

00:49:43.340 Saw how he was speaking, heard him speaking with the girls.

00:49:46.080 And that was the last time the women were seen alive.

00:49:48.580 And fortunately, with all those people there, they were able to get a damn good sketch artist to go ahead and draw a picture of the potential perpetrator who ends up looking like who?

00:50:00.020 None other than our boy Ted Bundy.

00:50:04.340 OK, so.

00:50:07.020 So let's go ahead, guys, and get to the next part here.

00:50:09.540 Because Ted, at this point, is starting to feel a little bit of the heat.

00:50:17.240 OK.

00:50:19.100 And let's go ahead.

00:50:21.160 So he ends up leaving, guys, the state of Washington, and he goes to Utah.

00:50:28.320 All right.

00:50:28.660 And he makes a big error here with what he's about to do next.

00:50:33.960 And you guys are going to see.

00:50:37.060 After seven o'clock on the evening of November the 8th, 1970.

00:50:40.180 Hold on.

00:50:40.380 Let me go back here.

00:50:41.880 Teen-year-old Denise Nasland and 23.

00:50:44.420 So these girls go missing.

00:50:45.440 Teen-year-old Janice Ott disappear on a warm summer day at Lake Sammamish.

00:50:49.640 Several witnesses told of a smooth-talking, good-looking young man named Ted.

00:50:58.400 Heat was starting to come upon him.

00:51:02.540 There were clues now.

00:51:04.600 A guy named Ted, a VW, a composite sketch.

00:51:10.080 Your co-workers brought over the sketch to show to you?

00:51:14.040 Was it because they thought the sketch looked like Ted?

00:51:16.880 Yes.

00:51:18.060 There was something about it that just grabbed my attention.

00:51:21.620 There was just something about the jawline or something like that that made me think,

00:51:25.380 wow, this is really weird.

00:51:28.300 So that's his girl, man, back then.

00:51:30.060 With, you know, she's a single mom, by the way.

00:51:31.560 They had met in 69.

00:51:32.900 Her daughter, Molly, you know, ended up with kind of like Ted as a stepfather.

00:51:37.360 So for them, obviously, they're like, what the hell is going on here?

00:51:39.760 Why does this guy have a striking resemblance to the man that I'm with

00:51:43.540 and exhibit some of the same traits?

00:51:46.460 And you called Seattle police?

00:51:48.380 Yeah.

00:51:49.020 I called anonymously to a tip line that they had set up.

00:51:53.900 So she calls the police on him because she's scared.

00:51:57.520 What the fuck?

00:51:58.140 Is this my Ted?

00:51:59.900 There was something like 3,000 potential Ted's who may or may not drive a Volkswagen,

00:52:05.620 and he was one of them.

00:52:07.040 But he had this terrific, spotless, clean record.

00:52:10.340 You have to understand that detective work was organized in a very different way in the 70s.

00:52:17.960 There was no DNA evidence.

00:52:20.100 Police departments didn't even have fax machines, let alone the Internet.

00:52:23.000 Yes, guys, very archaic, very chaotic.

00:52:26.340 Like I said before, everything was done on paper, no computers.

00:52:30.740 You had to get out there and actually do surveillance.

00:52:32.720 You didn't have databases to be able to look people up.

00:52:34.760 You didn't have cameras.

00:52:36.100 You didn't have sophisticated law enforcement surveillance equipment.

00:52:39.320 You didn't have any of this stuff right back then in the 70s.

00:52:42.680 You know, and for a small police department like the agencies that were investigating Ted, right,

00:52:49.100 King County, et cetera, they're not going to have a lot of this stuff.

00:52:51.660 Maybe the feds might have had it, but they're not going to have it, okay,

00:52:54.400 especially for a missing persons type investigation.

00:52:56.940 It wasn't until the missing people started piling up and they saw a trend

00:53:00.700 that they were able to actually finally start allocating resources

00:53:03.500 and then most importantly getting together and creating a task force.

00:53:06.800 But they didn't do that until several women had already been missing.

00:53:09.360 When they had a profile of him, I brought up the similarities to him.

00:53:17.020 I said...

00:53:17.540 That's Molly, by the way.

00:53:18.320 That's the same girl here in this picture.

00:53:19.600 And there's Ted right there.

00:53:20.880 This is his stepdaughter, guys, who actually surprisingly he had never done,

00:53:25.380 he had never hurt or killed them, obviously,

00:53:27.840 but one of the few people that he was able to turn the wickedness off for.

00:53:32.300 This guy's name's Ted.

00:53:33.380 Your name's Ted.

00:53:34.420 This guy has a VW.

00:53:35.940 You drove a VW.

00:53:36.960 You know it's you.

00:53:38.200 And he just laughed.

00:53:40.200 No, monkey.

00:53:41.000 Of course, I would never do anything like that.

00:53:44.420 And you didn't think it either.

00:53:46.140 No.

00:53:46.800 Yeah, that stopped the cap right there.

00:53:48.420 Stop the cap.

00:53:49.200 Of course, I would never do anything like that.

00:53:51.720 Okay, so let's fast forward a little bit here.

00:53:53.960 So the heat turns up on him a little bit, guys.

00:53:55.860 Even his own family's starting to accuse him, right?

00:53:58.000 So let's see what he does next.

00:53:59.660 In the beginning, I asked him, I said,

00:54:01.520 did you read this?

00:54:02.600 Do you know what they're saying?

00:54:03.840 I mean, there's so many things here that people are going to be looking at you, kind of making a joke out of it.

00:54:09.740 But once I started to worry, like, could this be true, I didn't feel safe bringing it up.

00:54:16.040 I didn't want him to know what I was thinking.

00:54:18.440 So you did feel fear.

00:54:20.040 Well, I did.

00:54:21.000 But it wasn't like I was afraid of him.

00:54:23.000 I was kind of afraid of my own brain.

00:54:24.980 I was just going over and over this.

00:54:28.520 Bundy realized that if he wanted to keep killing, he was going to have to go somewhere where there was no investigation.

00:54:35.180 He has the presence of mind to move from the Washington area to Utah.

00:54:41.380 He used the excuse.

00:54:42.140 All right, so he goes all the way down to Utah and goes to Utah University Law School.

00:54:48.540 So going to the Utah Law School, he gave Liz the option of going with him.

00:54:55.220 But he was probably delighted when she said no.

00:54:57.560 Yeah, she said no.

00:54:58.240 I want to stay in Seattle with my friends.

00:54:59.720 And he was like, thank God.

00:55:00.760 Bundy left for Utah.

00:55:01.880 Somebody kill a bunch of people.

00:55:03.600 September 3rd, 1974.

00:55:06.160 Within 12 or so hours, he would be murdering the Idaho hitchhiker.

00:55:12.920 So he killed a hitchhiker on the way down in Idaho.

00:55:15.120 So Bundy went to University of Utah School of Law.

00:55:21.420 When I was there at the law school, I would have regular contact with Ted Bundy and everyone liked him.

00:55:27.500 There were periods of time when he was absent from class and people would occasionally comment on that.

00:55:33.680 Oh, Ted's gone again.

00:55:35.200 The first semester, he's in class three times.

00:55:39.660 He's like a kid in a candy store.

00:55:41.960 He upped it in.

00:55:42.820 And you guys are going to see why he was gone all the time.

00:55:45.780 So we're going to fast forward here, guys, to this is a huge turning point in the Ted Bundy investigation.

00:55:51.460 This is where he gets sloppy and he fucks up here.

00:55:54.520 And he was drinking on this day as well, which is why the girl was actually able to identify him because she smelled alcohol on him.

00:56:01.040 But let's get into this.

00:56:02.140 Shortly after 7 o'clock on the evening of November the 8th, 1974, Carol DeRanche parked her car in this parking lot at the Fashion Mall.

00:56:10.720 Shortly after began what she now calls her personal nightmare.

00:56:14.740 What makes the Carol DeRanche abduction so pivotal is that she's the...

00:56:19.820 And it's Carol DeRanche, guys.

00:56:21.360 I don't know why the captions are messing it up, but this is a turning point here.

00:56:24.560 The only one who ever got away from Bundy.

00:56:26.560 She was approached by a man near Walden's bookstore.

00:56:29.180 That's not true. A couple other women have come forward and escaped the clutches of Bundy.

00:56:33.340 But this is the only one that actually testified in court, which you guys are going to see here in a second.

00:56:38.140 This man identified himself as Officer Roslyn.

00:56:41.620 And he said, do you drive a Camaro?

00:56:44.640 She said, yes.

00:56:46.040 I said, well, my partner is holding the suspect and this individual tried to get into the car.

00:56:51.200 He said they would have to go down to the main Murray Police Department to sign a complaint.

00:56:56.080 And right when I was in the car, I knew I had made a mistake.

00:57:00.260 Suddenly, he just pulled the car over and it kind of went up on the side of the curb.

00:57:06.380 And that's when I started absolutely freaking out.

00:57:10.520 I remember screaming at him, what are you doing?

00:57:13.760 This isn't the police station.

00:57:15.180 What are you doing?

00:57:16.160 And I could tell he just changed.

00:57:18.380 He stops the car and he attacks her.

00:57:20.840 She knows she's in the fight for her life.

00:57:22.840 And he handcuffs the right wrist.

00:57:25.420 But in the midst of this fight, when she's scratching, not even fighting, she gets the passenger door open and she jumps out of the car.

00:57:32.040 Somehow, miraculously, she's able to get out of the vehicle, guys.

00:57:35.520 He came out after me, out the passenger side.

00:57:40.120 I remember feeling a crowbar in his hand.

00:57:43.160 He was trying to hit me over the head and struggling for a while.

00:57:47.900 And then a car came along.

00:57:50.060 I ran out into the street and just threw open their door and just jumped in on him.

00:57:56.040 An elderly couple drove the ranch to the Murray Police Department.

00:57:58.600 And another reason, too, which she didn't talk about it here, why she knew it was him, guys, is because when he was speaking with her and, you know, she was like, what the hell?

00:58:05.880 This is kind of off.

00:58:06.940 She should never got in the car with him.

00:58:08.480 But it wasn't until she really started to smell the alcohol on him that she was like, OK, something's off.

00:58:12.620 And that's what kind of prompted her to be a little bit more reluctant.

00:58:15.400 And there were other women as well that Bundy had tried this on, saying it was a police officer, whatever it may be.

00:58:20.960 And they were able to escape and they never actually got in the vehicle with him.

00:58:23.960 And there were a couple stories of this, but she's the only one that actually got in and was able to escape and then later on testify and provide crucial testimony to the investigation.

00:58:34.660 Station, the search for her objector began.

00:58:37.920 And so this is the first time we have an eyewitness of somebody who survives a Bundy attack.

00:58:44.560 Sometimes the urges become such a compulsion that they can't control themselves.

00:58:50.440 And that's when they make mistakes.

00:58:51.840 His compulsion that day was so high, he had to kill somebody.

00:58:58.060 The first one didn't work out.

00:58:59.680 He's now frustrated.

00:59:01.200 And so he goes to find a second victim.

00:59:04.220 The teenager, Debbie Kent.

00:59:08.180 My friend came back from Utah and she said, I don't want to scare you, but it's happening down there now.

00:59:15.380 So now people start going missing in Utah as well.

00:59:18.280 So the girlfriend is like, what the hell?

00:59:20.120 I thought we just cleared this already.

00:59:21.560 Like, what's going on here?

00:59:23.020 Headlines of the missing women had stopped in Seattle when Ted left and they started in Utah.

00:59:29.480 Yes.

00:59:30.020 Where he was.

00:59:31.020 Yes.

00:59:32.220 What did that feel like?

00:59:33.740 Oh, my God.

00:59:34.380 Like the bottom of my world is falling out.

00:59:36.540 It's like it's just too much of a coincidence.

00:59:38.600 So I did call King County police and I did meet with the detective, you know.

00:59:45.980 So she calls the police again, guys.

00:59:47.400 One of the hardest things I've ever done.

00:59:49.280 I gave them some pictures of him and they showed him to the best witness from Lake Sammamish.

00:59:56.320 She pulled his picture out of the stack that the detective had given her.

00:59:59.640 She said, no, he's too old and put it back in the stack.

01:00:02.720 So you had cleared your conscience.

01:00:04.620 The police.

01:00:05.580 So that right there, guys, is what you would call like exculpatory evidence, because now

01:00:09.140 you got a witness saying, oh, no, that's not him.

01:00:11.360 You know what I mean?

01:00:11.820 And actually ended up helping him out later on.

01:00:14.440 But obviously from getting convicted, but, you know, obviously, right, eyewitness testimony

01:00:20.600 can be fleeting sometimes because people, you know, you're going off recollection.

01:00:23.580 So they're like, oh, well, no, I might have not been him.

01:00:26.180 It was older.

01:00:26.720 So that actually puts her at ease here.

01:00:30.140 Cleared him.

01:00:31.500 I just need to put these fears aside.

01:00:33.940 And so you didn't trust your own instincts.

01:00:35.740 No, I knew him so well.

01:00:38.180 Yeah.

01:00:38.420 And she loved him so much.

01:00:40.260 Everything had been so good.

01:00:41.780 So this was just crazy.

01:00:42.940 I think that that's a much younger her, as you guys can see.

01:00:46.220 His girlfriend was very brave to call us.

01:00:48.900 I thought she had multiple more pictures.

01:00:51.680 That's, you know, her daughter, her, him.

01:00:54.780 So, you know, on the on the surface level, guys, it looks like he's a happy family man.

01:00:58.920 You know, full contacts with the police.

01:01:01.720 They did do some investigation, but it kept coming back.

01:01:05.360 He's not your guy.

01:01:08.240 All right.

01:01:08.820 So now we're going to get into the next part here.

01:01:11.260 All right.

01:01:11.840 He actually gets arrested for this and convicted.

01:01:15.400 And what happens after is wild.

01:01:19.140 1875 and Ted Bundy's got to find a place where there's not a lot of talk about missing women and where he can blend in.

01:01:26.360 So he heads up the mountains to Colorado.

01:01:30.640 All right.

01:01:31.180 So now he's at his fourth state where he's committed killing.

01:01:34.940 So it started in Washington.

01:01:36.520 He killed a hitchhiker from Idaho or in Idaho on his way down to Salt Lake.

01:01:40.980 Right.

01:01:41.820 Salt Lake.

01:01:42.580 He kidnaps a woman.

01:01:44.140 That woman is able to.

01:01:47.140 And you guys are going to see here what leads to his arrest.

01:01:50.180 She's able to identify him.

01:01:51.440 So he runs over to Colorado after the fact.

01:01:56.180 He was very familiar with ski resorts in Colorado already.

01:02:01.060 He understood that those places are populated by basically strangers.

01:02:06.220 And he would fit in quite well.

01:02:09.160 He ends up in Aspen.

01:02:10.460 On January 12th, 1975, Karen Campbell disappeared from the Wildwood Inn.

01:02:19.380 Bundy ended up at the Wildwood Inn.

01:02:22.340 Karen Campbell was a nurse from Michigan.

01:02:25.440 She had come to the Wildwood Inn just like a day before.

01:02:29.180 So she goes missing.

01:02:30.440 She's with a doctor.

01:02:31.920 She gets an elevator.

01:02:33.320 Next thing you know, Bundy's in there and they never see her alive again.

01:02:36.880 Right.

01:02:37.420 So let's fast forward a little bit here.

01:02:40.460 He heads over to Vail and ends up killing a 26-year-old ski instructor.

01:02:45.580 His next victim, Julie Cunningham.

01:02:47.180 Julie Cunningham.

01:02:48.780 He was just not going to stop.

01:02:51.100 He had more relationships with dead women by now than living women.

01:02:54.460 It was all about the hunt.

01:02:58.640 Bundy goes on this killing spree.

01:03:00.560 It costs the Northwest and he kills three women.

01:03:03.660 A 24-year-old, a 15-year-old, and a 12-year-old.

01:03:07.520 Look at that.

01:03:08.320 Ridiculous, man.

01:03:09.100 Killing children as well.

01:03:10.460 There was no pattern between Seattle and Utah and Colorado.

01:03:16.180 So these are all the areas that he struck, guys.

01:03:18.340 So obviously there's no real, you know, it's rhyme or reason.

01:03:21.980 It's like he's an opportunistic killer.

01:03:24.540 You know, hey, I see this woman here.

01:03:26.100 It's in a secluded area.

01:03:27.080 It's dark.

01:03:27.760 I might be wearing a cast or whatever.

01:03:29.380 I'm able, I'm disarming.

01:03:31.000 Let me see what I can do here.

01:03:32.180 And he's a criminal of opportunity.

01:03:35.120 There was all the women match pretty much the same profile.

01:03:38.800 Young, darker hair.

01:03:40.140 And he's able to go ahead and abduct them and attack them, hit them with a crowbar, whatever else his methodologies were.

01:03:49.320 No physical tie to them.

01:03:52.100 There was nothing to loop them all together.

01:03:54.540 In the summer of 1975, Bundy's luck is changing.

01:04:03.000 All right.

01:04:03.240 Big turning point here, guys.

01:04:06.200 He was going from being the hunter to being the hunted in Granger, Utah.

01:04:12.040 It's a small suburb.

01:04:13.960 It was like two o'clock in the morning.

01:04:16.360 A cop was just getting off duty.

01:04:18.740 His name was Bob Hayward.

01:04:21.160 And he saw this Volkswagen parked in front of a house.

01:04:24.960 He knew there were two young women living there.

01:04:28.240 See, and that's the thing.

01:04:29.860 When you're in these small little towns, guys, you know, you got, you know, typically they don't have like their own town police.

01:04:34.200 So a state police or the, you know, state troopers and or county police that patrol the area.

01:04:38.840 So you get really acclimated with the neighborhood.

01:04:41.780 You get really acclimated with people that live there, et cetera.

01:04:43.760 So he's, you know, he sees Bundy's car in this, you know, small neighborhood.

01:04:47.880 Right.

01:04:48.240 And in front of these two women's houses.

01:04:49.240 I don't recognize that car.

01:04:50.360 Who the hell is this guy?

01:04:51.700 And, you know, obviously at that point, he's like, what's going on here?

01:04:54.420 Let's do a traffic stop and figure out who the hell this guy is.

01:04:56.580 And this is a turning point right here.

01:04:57.860 We're going to, you're going to see what the hell they find in this car.

01:04:59.600 Crazy stuff.

01:05:00.780 Corner.

01:05:04.020 Whop.

01:05:04.420 And I kicked the, my lights on bright.

01:05:07.880 Stepped on the gas.

01:05:10.320 And he squirted.

01:05:13.000 He freaks Bundy out.

01:05:14.620 Okay.

01:05:14.900 He takes off.

01:05:16.700 Big mistake.

01:05:19.240 So there was a chase.

01:05:21.780 He pulled in the old gas station and stopped.

01:05:25.080 I stopped and opened my door and he was out and coming back towards me.

01:05:28.560 I pulled my Magnum out and just sit in the crotch of the door and I just hold him right there.

01:05:37.540 Back then, guys, you know, they had revolvers, Magnums, those types of guns.

01:05:41.020 They didn't have semi-automatic, you know, weapons back then.

01:05:43.740 And, you know, in the 70s for law enforcement, which ended up changing after I broke down this case as well.

01:05:48.520 After the FBI shootout in 1986, that's when more law enforcement agencies started switching over to Glocks and semi-automatic weapons.

01:05:56.560 But, you know, this guy obviously had the Dirty Harry gun on him back then.

01:05:59.040 He's like, hey, make your move.

01:06:00.900 You know.

01:06:01.260 So that's one red flag.

01:06:13.620 The seat is out, right?

01:06:14.740 And we discussed this earlier that this is how he drove his car, which this is a strange situation.

01:06:19.260 I looked in that side and this seat was laying in the back seat and that's quite a space.

01:06:27.680 You can stick a body in it.

01:06:29.460 Yep.

01:06:30.320 He says the seat's broken.

01:06:31.660 He said, I've got to get it fixed.

01:06:33.840 Okay.

01:06:35.380 Do you mind if I look through your car?

01:06:39.460 So he gives him consent to look in the car and let's see what he finds.

01:06:42.300 He had what we would call burglary tools.

01:06:46.540 The ski mask.

01:06:47.420 Pantyhose with the eyes cut out.

01:06:50.700 Pantyhose with the eyes cut out.

01:06:52.580 He had a pair of handcuffs.

01:06:54.220 Handcuffs.

01:06:55.220 That's what they found in his vehicle, guys.

01:06:57.680 Look at that.

01:06:58.620 Handcuffs.

01:06:59.200 This looks like an ice pick.

01:07:01.020 Mask.

01:07:02.500 Trash bags.

01:07:03.960 Pantyhose with the eyes cut out.

01:07:06.520 Gloves.

01:07:07.840 Flashlight.

01:07:08.940 Crowbar.

01:07:09.860 Rope.

01:07:11.120 This looks like a garrote, right?

01:07:13.580 Like, holy, bro.

01:07:15.000 What would you guys do if you saw that?

01:07:16.560 You'd be like, what the hell?

01:07:17.760 Like, oh, shit.

01:07:18.640 Oh, shit.

01:07:19.280 What?

01:07:20.120 Like, so at this point, the troopers like this guy was stuck in two ladies.

01:07:25.340 You know, I know two women were living in front of this house as well.

01:07:27.540 And this random Volkswagen is sitting in front of the house.

01:07:31.280 Nah, man.

01:07:31.760 This dude's on some bullshit.

01:07:32.700 So the police officer, right?

01:07:34.780 The trooper did a good job, you know, like, you know, seeing something out of the ordinary

01:07:38.860 and doing what police officers are supposed to do, detect crime and prevent it.

01:07:45.360 That's wild, though.

01:07:46.200 This is what this actual real photo evidence photo of what they found in his vehicle in

01:07:50.280 Utah.

01:07:51.760 What do you use handcuffs for?

01:07:53.960 I'm a law student.

01:07:54.980 He says I use them in my classes.

01:07:57.300 I use the handcuffs in my law, my law classes.

01:08:00.200 What, bro?

01:08:00.960 What?

01:08:01.260 As a lawyer?

01:08:01.760 You don't need that.

01:08:03.180 What the fuck?

01:08:05.440 Now, what is a person doing out in the middle of the night in a residential neighborhood

01:08:10.680 with all of those items?

01:08:13.060 And he's driving a Volkswagen buck.

01:08:17.680 Well, I took him in and booked him.

01:08:23.020 And if you guys remember, this mugshot looks, you know, surprisingly familiar to the sketch

01:08:29.320 that they had, you know, done back in Washington state on those women that were found missing

01:08:33.680 at the park.

01:08:35.000 There's something wrong with this guy.

01:08:37.980 That put him on the radar of Utah law enforcement.

01:08:41.660 And they had this unsolved abduction of Carol LaRange.

01:08:48.080 I got a call and it was Ted.

01:08:50.560 So now, guys, at this point, right, law enforcement agencies are like, they finally got this guy in custody.

01:08:55.780 This is his first contact with law enforcement.

01:08:58.120 So you got a bunch of missing girls, right, in two different states, right, in Washington and Utah.

01:09:05.600 And also Colorado as well at this point.

01:09:10.140 So this trooper finds this guy, arrests him.

01:09:12.820 And now the law enforcement agencies are starting to figure out what the hell is going on here.

01:09:17.480 And they're starting to talk.

01:09:18.760 This is when the talks finally start to happen between the different agencies.

01:09:24.740 All right, we'll get back to the video.

01:09:27.940 He says, I've been arrested.

01:09:30.480 Well, Ted, what were you arrested for?

01:09:32.700 Oh, they think I'm the Ted murderer.

01:09:34.300 And he laughed and I laughed.

01:09:36.940 The Ted murderer from different states.

01:09:38.920 That's the important thing.

01:09:41.460 I didn't think he was at all guilty.

01:09:46.460 And you guys are going to notice a trend here where he continuously screams his innocence.

01:09:52.000 And we'll see what he says later on.

01:09:55.400 When he came to the police lineup.

01:09:58.540 He made all sorts of attempts to make himself facially difficult to identify.

01:10:04.300 He parted his hair on the other side.

01:10:06.080 So he did have a chameleon-like quality.

01:10:09.920 Carol Durant came to the police station, was shown a lineup, and was able to identify Bundy as the person who attacked her.

01:10:17.120 Now, remember, guys, they were like, whoa, this guy has a starling resemblance to the person that kidnapped this girl.

01:10:22.020 So that when they arrest him, they put his dumb ass in a lineup.

01:10:25.060 Of course, what does Bundy do?

01:10:26.280 He changes his appearance, right?

01:10:27.400 He cut his hair from the mugshot that we've seen before.

01:10:29.400 Remember, the mugshot before with the long hair, streaky hair.

01:10:32.500 It resembled that sketch.

01:10:33.600 So what does he do?

01:10:34.260 He cleans himself up, changes his looks quite a bit, comes in for the photo lineup.

01:10:38.840 However, the lady that he tried to kidnap back on November 8th of 75 is able to actually identify him.

01:10:46.380 And then, bam, now they got him on kidnapping as well as possession of burglary tools from when the trooper caught him.

01:10:53.220 So even his classmates are in denial because, Ted, no, not the charismatic classmate.

01:11:14.780 No way he would be involved in a crime like this.

01:11:16.980 So they believed him in the beginning, and he denied everything.

01:11:19.300 He helped raise money to bail him out of jail.

01:11:22.820 Everybody in the ward felt he was innocent.

01:11:28.040 I was assigned Ted Bundy's case by the Office of Public Defense.

01:11:32.600 Ted immediately said something.

01:11:34.280 Well, there's this silly little case in Utah.

01:11:37.620 Silly little case.

01:11:39.200 You know, typical sociopath minimizing right there.

01:11:43.900 Silly little case out of Utah.

01:11:45.240 You know, nothing too big.

01:11:46.020 Just kidnapping.

01:11:46.480 Kind of.

01:11:47.840 I remember saying, no, it's not a silly little case, Ted.

01:11:53.020 And look, this is also something I want you guys to pay attention to.

01:11:56.380 Notice how Ted comes dressed to the court appearances.

01:11:59.680 Bowtie, well-dressed, shaved, hair, you know, kept to a certain degree of, you know, cleanliness.

01:12:06.340 He does not look like a serial, you know, Manson, crazy, you know, John Wayne, Gacy, whatever.

01:12:13.480 He's not disheveled.

01:12:14.560 He's very prim and proper, right?

01:12:16.280 He looks pretty sharp.

01:12:18.620 During court proceedings in Utah.

01:12:22.260 Styling, right?

01:12:22.980 Two-tone.

01:12:23.520 He has the blazer with the khaki pants.

01:12:25.820 Right?

01:12:26.000 He looks like a lawyer almost.

01:12:28.200 Bundy actually comes outside and talks to the media.

01:12:31.540 How do you feel about the justice system in general?

01:12:34.780 Now, I want you guys to pay attention to how he communicates when he's talking to the media when they're asking him questions about his case.

01:12:39.860 Which, to be honest with you, he shouldn't be saying anything to the media, but he couldn't help himself.

01:12:45.900 Well, I'm sure it works.

01:12:47.600 And you've got to have faith it'll work or else you'll be reduced to some kind of, you know, mumbling idiot.

01:12:53.040 I believe it works.

01:12:54.620 I believe it needs to be improved.

01:12:56.260 When you mention improvements, does that mean ultimately you want to get involved in the criminal justice system?

01:13:02.200 Yes, I intend to complete my legal education and become a lawyer and be a damn good lawyer.

01:13:08.980 He doesn't sound like a serial killer.

01:13:11.260 He doesn't talk like a serial killer.

01:13:12.880 He's educated.

01:13:14.000 He doesn't dress like a serial killer.

01:13:15.360 You know, it can cause some of a doubt, you know, because he does have a good, clean image on the on the, you know, at face value.

01:13:24.760 Testify or not is one of the only things the defendant has the sole decision making power over.

01:13:30.780 And Ted, of course, ignored the vice and testified and was the worst witness in the world.

01:13:37.220 So he testified in his own trial, which, quite frankly, guys, stupid, very stupid to do that.

01:13:41.300 He was an arrogant, basically.

01:13:49.080 And that's the way he came across on the stand.

01:13:52.920 At the trial, Durant picked out Bundy as her abductor.

01:13:57.400 So she positively identifies him during the trial.

01:14:00.840 I pointed at him, said he was he was the one.

01:14:03.500 He was the man that tried to kidnap me.

01:14:06.220 Ted thought he could lie about everything and get away with it.

01:14:12.500 It's pretty hard to explain why you drive around with an ice pick and a pantyhose mask.

01:14:18.300 Most of us don't have that in our cars.

01:14:24.900 Ted Bundy was convicted.

01:14:26.600 Bam.

01:14:26.920 And he's found guilty.

01:14:27.960 Now, I also want to make a note of this, guys, that this was not a jury trial.

01:14:31.160 OK, this was a judge only trial.

01:14:33.400 OK, was essentially called like a bench trial.

01:14:35.500 So the judge had sole discretion on on the entire case.

01:14:40.820 And that's how we wanted it.

01:14:42.000 Right.

01:14:42.800 And he also had pretty, you know, pretty large stake with, you know, helping his defense team, you know, come up with things.

01:14:47.720 And he put himself on the stand, which is, quite frankly, very unorthodox and not in your best interest.

01:14:52.460 Most defense attorneys, 99 percent of the time, almost never want to put their their defendant on the stand.

01:14:57.560 And the reason for that, guys, because the prosecution can cross examine you when the prosecution cross examine you.

01:15:02.260 They can ask you questions, trip you up, et cetera.

01:15:04.960 And that could put you in a bad predicament, you know, because sometimes sometimes guys.

01:15:09.440 Well, most of the time, actually, no statement is better than any statement.

01:15:13.160 Because anything can be used against you in the court of law.

01:15:16.460 Kidnapping Carol Deroch.

01:15:17.800 So he takes the L with his hubris.

01:15:20.100 OK.

01:15:22.360 Bundy got his verdict that he was guilty.

01:15:25.120 He was going to be headed to a Utah state prison.

01:15:28.080 Bam.

01:15:28.800 L.

01:15:29.760 So he takes the L there.

01:15:31.060 Right.

01:15:31.660 So now we're going to fast forward.

01:15:33.240 While this is all happening.

01:15:34.920 Guess what happens?

01:15:35.660 They get their ducks in a row in Colorado.

01:15:37.940 So he gets convicted of the crime in Utah.

01:15:41.380 All right.

01:15:42.760 Of kidnapping.

01:15:44.440 But he has has some dirty laundry out there in Colorado to include a couple of murders.

01:15:49.740 Here are the kidnap assault of a young woman from Salt Lake City.

01:15:52.980 After Bundy's convicted of the kidnapping of Harold Deroch.

01:15:57.440 Detectives have found evidence linking him to the murder of Karen Campbell.

01:16:01.340 On January.

01:16:02.100 Back and where?

01:16:03.440 Colorado.

01:16:04.160 So now the walls are starting to close in on your boy.

01:16:08.240 Well, 1975, Karen Campbell disappeared from the Wildwood Inn.

01:16:13.140 Hairs in his Volkswagen bug were of victims from Colorado and Utah.

01:16:19.200 And that gave them enough evidence to file on him in Colorado with a first degree murder and kidnapping charge.

01:16:24.460 So they find hair fibers and they're able to use that, guys, as evidence to effectively link them.

01:16:29.000 Now, remember, guys, there wasn't really DNA like that back then in the 70s.

01:16:32.440 But they were able to match up hair fibers, which, you know, was their forensic evidence back then.

01:16:37.760 All right.

01:16:38.000 Still fairly new and cutting edge.

01:16:40.780 So they were able to at least put him with him during that time, because how else would have if he was allegedly in Utah the whole time?

01:16:48.160 How why would he have a woman from Colorado's hair in his vehicle?

01:16:51.980 They transferred him.

01:16:54.280 They took him to the jail in Aspen.

01:16:59.460 At that point.

01:17:00.300 All right.

01:17:00.480 Some crazy shit's about to go down here, guys, now in Aspen, Colorado.

01:17:03.440 So they drag his ass back from jail while he's in Utah facing that 15 years for the kidnapping.

01:17:09.700 Now he's getting now they're handed with murder in Colorado.

01:17:12.580 Ted Bundy had become pretty big news.

01:17:15.240 I called the sheriff.

01:17:17.400 I asked him if I could speak with Ted Bundy.

01:17:21.060 We sat in this narrow cell and did the interview.

01:17:25.780 You are not guilty.

01:17:27.620 This is a famous interview, guys, from back then.

01:17:30.780 And I want you guys to pay attention to how Bundy responds to the questions, you know, his demeanor, his tonality, how he puts himself in a certain light to be looked at as an innocent individual and how much he denies the dark allegations against him.

01:17:49.020 I'm not guilty.

01:17:52.220 Does that include the time I stole a comic book when I was five years old?

01:17:56.880 I'm not guilty of the territories which have been filed against me.

01:17:59.560 He has such a pleasant, thoughtful, calm demeanor.

01:18:03.180 I wasn't at all convinced that he was guilty.

01:18:06.040 He's the most pleasant killer I've ever interviewed.

01:18:08.660 No man is truly innocent.

01:18:11.000 I mean, we all have transgressed in some way in our lives.

01:18:14.200 I've been impolite and there are things I regret having done in my life, but nothing like the things I think that you're referring to.

01:18:24.820 The creeps kind of grew on me when he talked about feeling for the family.

01:18:30.340 I've been told that.

01:18:33.640 Look at this, guys, how he's able to do this.

01:18:36.080 Like master sociopath.

01:18:38.940 I was able to talk about this with a straight face.

01:18:40.960 You know, the parents of these girls are fairly decent people.

01:18:46.640 I don't know.

01:18:47.840 And I really feel for them because apparently they suffered some incredible tragedy in their lives.

01:18:52.360 You could tell he was just mouthing the words.

01:18:56.080 They didn't really sink into him.

01:18:58.180 I feel as much for him.

01:18:59.180 Yeah, you can say that now, my friend.

01:19:01.100 But if you look at the video, he clearly is believing him, right?

01:19:03.640 Look at the look of approval that your boy is giving him right there.

01:19:08.220 Hold on.

01:19:09.020 Didn't really sink into his words.

01:19:11.020 Look at that look of approval.

01:19:12.160 He's like, oh, yeah.

01:19:12.940 They didn't really sink into him.

01:19:14.760 The words.

01:19:15.860 See?

01:19:16.980 They didn't really sink into him.

01:19:19.280 I feel as much for them as anybody can.

01:19:21.320 I asked him if his situation made him angry.

01:19:25.380 And he said yes.

01:19:26.680 I don't like being locked up for something I didn't do.

01:19:29.700 And I don't like my liberty taken away.

01:19:31.180 And I don't like being treated like an animal.

01:19:32.680 And I don't like people walking around and ogling me like I'm some sort of weirdo.

01:19:37.500 Because I'm not.

01:19:38.440 You think about getting out of here?

01:19:41.000 Well, legally, sure.

01:19:45.720 Well, legally, sure.

01:19:48.720 Let's see about that.

01:19:50.200 My class is graduating in about a month.

01:19:53.540 From law school.

01:19:54.460 He was assisting in his own defense.

01:19:59.980 So he had a right to go use the law library.

01:20:02.680 This is an old, old courthouse.

01:20:04.460 And the law library was up on the top floor.

01:20:08.180 The judge decreed that he didn't.

01:20:09.600 So, guys, just want to make this very clear for y'all.

01:20:11.940 He was basically representing himself.

01:20:13.660 He made himself like co-counsel.

01:20:15.700 Okay.

01:20:16.020 So what that does is it affords him certain privileges and accesses that a regular inmate would never get.

01:20:21.280 He's dressed in normal clothing.

01:20:22.340 He's not shackled to the same degree.

01:20:24.260 He has access to the law library.

01:20:26.040 He's able to kind of roam around and make phone calls.

01:20:28.360 He's able to research his own case and research legal documents so that he can better fight his case.

01:20:35.200 So there was a method to the madness here, even though this is almost never recommended by any astute attorney for you to represent yourself.

01:20:42.120 But let's see what he's able to do with this privilege and use it to his advantage.

01:20:45.060 He didn't have to wear shackles or handcuffs.

01:20:47.620 So he walked about the courtroom and back into the law library as a free man.

01:20:52.760 Over the months, I've noticed a number of opportunities to just walk right out.

01:20:57.820 I thought a great deal about escape, and I didn't know if I had the guts to do it, quite frankly.

01:21:05.140 So this is the law house in June.

01:21:08.080 I think this was June 6, 1977.

01:21:10.240 Let's see what happens here.

01:21:11.460 Crazy stuff.

01:21:12.140 The picture of him coming into the building that morning, and he's got a really concentrated look on his face.

01:21:18.800 He had dressed with an extra layer.

01:21:20.640 He had a sweater under the one he was wearing.

01:21:22.340 This is the day he escaped, guys.

01:21:23.600 Look at what he's wearing.

01:21:24.500 You can see right here, multiple layers of clothing.

01:21:26.640 This is a very famous, iconic photo, by the way, as well.

01:21:29.960 On the outside, so he was planning to go that day.

01:21:40.460 I'm going to mute this real quick.

01:21:42.440 Because of the music.

01:21:44.640 So the guard went outside for a smoke.

01:21:46.540 The windows were open, and the fresh air is blowing through, and the sky was blue.

01:21:51.000 And I said, I'm ready to go.

01:21:52.740 And walked to the window and jumped.

01:21:54.380 So he jumped off the second story, guys.

01:21:56.180 Now I think I can play the sound again.

01:22:00.200 So he leaves.

01:22:02.260 Runs out that bitch, right?

01:22:03.720 Honest to God, I just got sick and tired of being locked up.

01:22:06.040 I'm tired of being locked up.

01:22:08.180 He was gone about 10 minutes before anyone realized he came out and shouted, Bundy escaped.

01:22:15.900 And just so you guys know, he had been training in his cell for a while, jumping off the top of his bunk several times to plan for this so that he wouldn't hurt himself.

01:22:25.200 But he ended up spraining his ankle when he did this.

01:22:27.060 And he was on a run for about six days.

01:22:30.660 But he was practicing for this, and he was mapping it out in his head how he would do this.

01:22:34.780 That's why he was able to wear another layer of clothing underneath.

01:22:39.060 He timed it when he would jump out, when the guard wasn't looking.

01:22:42.020 He had been training for it.

01:22:44.540 So he did better on the jump than if you hadn't been practicing for it.

01:22:48.100 But he had been, you know, training his mind to be prepared to be on the run for a while.

01:22:53.780 So now the manhunt begins.

01:22:57.620 Reporters ran to the courthouse in Aspen because this was such a big deal.

01:23:04.200 Bundy jumped out of this second story window at the front of the Pitkin County Courthouse this morning.

01:23:08.640 He was scheduled for a court appearance and apparently had been locked into the law library by sheriff's deputies.

01:23:14.260 At both ends of town, the sheriff's department put up roadblocks.

01:23:16.940 And they were warning people, if you see this man, be sure and call the police.

01:23:21.260 When was the last scene?

01:23:23.020 Oh, about 1030 this morning when he jumped from the window.

01:23:27.420 And there's only two roads that let you out of Aspen, guys.

01:23:29.800 So they had everything locked down.

01:23:31.180 So it was very difficult for him to kind of get to escape, right?

01:23:36.000 Because they basically, every single car that was coming in and out, they were like screening it.

01:23:39.540 Well, especially cars going out because there's only two ways into Aspen.

01:23:42.720 And then he went up to the mountains in Aspen and he broke into a cabin.

01:23:47.120 He stayed in the cabin a few days.

01:23:48.540 Bundy said he walked into Aspen, took this car, which was unlocked and had the keys in the ignition.

01:23:53.380 He drives through downtown Aspen in a Cadillac.

01:23:57.440 He was a terrible driver, by the way.

01:23:58.980 So he goes back.

01:24:00.040 And there was a patrol.

01:24:01.240 Very, very stupid.

01:24:02.640 But just so you guys know, the reason why he goes back is because he was out in the wilderness, guys, for days.

01:24:06.640 He ended up making it to a cabin and finding some food there, sleeping there.

01:24:11.720 But it got really cold.

01:24:13.520 It rained a couple of times while he was there, right?

01:24:16.560 Remember, guys, he's in freaking Colorado, right?

01:24:18.920 The air is really dry.

01:24:20.680 You know, if you don't have chapstick in Colorado, you're going to suffer.

01:24:22.980 So he was there in the wilderness.

01:24:25.500 And it was tough.

01:24:26.900 It was really tough for him to survive.

01:24:28.400 So at this point, he's like, bro, I don't have food.

01:24:32.040 I'm starving.

01:24:33.260 I'm dying.

01:24:34.180 He's about 25 pounds below, right?

01:24:36.840 He lost about 25 pounds in those six days, by the way, guys, as well.

01:24:40.600 So he goes back into town in a vehicle trying to get food.

01:24:43.540 He takes the risk because he's, at this point, delirious.

01:24:46.680 And they see this car weaving.

01:24:49.160 This is late.

01:24:50.360 It must be a drunk.

01:24:52.120 Well, he wasn't drunk.

01:24:53.440 It was dead Bundy.

01:24:54.500 Back he goes.

01:24:55.540 How you doing?

01:24:56.200 Good.

01:24:56.460 How are you?

01:24:56.800 And look at how gaunt he is, guys, after they catch him again, right?

01:25:00.180 And there's the actual officer that pulled him over.

01:25:02.260 This guy right here.

01:25:04.220 Here.

01:25:06.560 Here.

01:25:08.180 You can see him grinning when he's been captured.

01:25:12.940 He always acted like he pulled one over on everybody.

01:25:17.660 He was moved to a facility in Glenwood Springs.

01:25:22.840 I was one of the staff photographers at the Seattle Times.

01:25:26.080 I was given a chance to photograph this fellow named Ted.

01:25:30.360 He had shackles on and I could lay on the floor.

01:25:33.760 He's out here doing photo shoots with your boy Ted Bundy, right?

01:25:36.320 Because at this point, guys, right?

01:25:38.140 He's like a celeb.

01:25:39.460 You know, this is national news at this point.

01:25:41.860 You got this guy who might be the killer in multiple states.

01:25:45.620 He's somewhat handsome, charming.

01:25:47.400 People don't really know if he's the killer or not.

01:25:49.480 He seems innocent, but not really.

01:25:50.980 He fled from the police.

01:25:52.220 He was gone for six days.

01:25:53.560 He makes it back.

01:25:54.620 He lost 25 pounds.

01:25:56.540 You know, he's charismatic with the cameras and everything else like that.

01:26:00.880 Guys, this was the talk of the town back in the 70s, man.

01:26:03.940 This is like the O.J. Simpson back then.

01:26:05.760 This was, I would say, probably back then for those times,

01:26:09.460 this was probably even bigger than O.J. Simpson because it was interstate.

01:26:14.220 It wasn't just one murder.

01:26:15.160 It was multiple.

01:26:16.240 And they were trying to figure out,

01:26:17.080 was this the guy behind several murders in different states all along the Pacific Northwest?

01:26:23.680 So, yeah, they're doing a photo shoot with the fucking dude.

01:26:25.360 At this point, he's almost like a rock star.

01:26:26.740 And you guys are going to see this later on in his other trial.

01:26:29.580 And photograph him in all kinds of different ways.

01:26:34.280 He wanted to be seen.

01:26:36.000 This is him representing himself doing his own legal research.

01:26:38.220 That's why he's in dress clothes, guys.

01:26:40.260 Regular civilian clothing.

01:26:43.120 I'm Ted Bundy.

01:26:44.740 Look at me.

01:26:45.980 I'm captured.

01:26:46.880 But in his own mind, I'm not going to be here for long.

01:26:50.620 There was a grate in the ceiling that was not secured.

01:26:57.800 So now we're going to get into, okay, guys,

01:26:59.960 fast forwarding a little bit to December 30th, 1977.

01:27:04.560 Okay?

01:27:04.900 This is going to be not one, but his second escape, guys.

01:27:09.260 Oh, shit.

01:27:09.920 Oh, shit.

01:27:10.000 And the way that he did this was actually very, very intelligent.

01:27:12.880 Let's get into it.

01:27:13.480 It was a light fixture that was due to be welded.

01:27:17.460 It had not.

01:27:18.240 Look at that.

01:27:18.720 He cut.

01:27:19.560 That was a cell, right?

01:27:22.340 He cut a hole, right?

01:27:24.900 And he lost 20 pounds to be able to get through that hole.

01:27:30.740 It had not been welded.

01:27:32.720 When I visited him in Glenwood,

01:27:34.780 I noticed that he had lost a lot of weight.

01:27:37.480 If I say he'd lost 20 or 25 pounds,

01:27:39.280 I would think this would have come to the attention of the jailers, perhaps.

01:27:42.140 Why is he doing this?

01:27:44.800 He used a bunch of his law books

01:27:46.580 and assembled them along with some pillows

01:27:48.980 to make it look as if there were a body in the bed.

01:27:51.240 Bundy had succeeded in carving.

01:27:53.000 And just so y'all know, the night before, right, December 29th,

01:27:56.240 the jailer, the prison guard, dropped his food off and left, right?

01:28:00.800 Because obviously, you know, they're on the skeleton crew.

01:28:03.340 It's about to be New Year's Eve, right?

01:28:05.180 Everyone's on vacation, et cetera.

01:28:06.500 This is typically how it is when you work for the state or the government.

01:28:09.060 No one's fucking working skeleton crew, right?

01:28:10.700 So they drop the food off, gets the hell out of there, right?

01:28:12.940 Next thing you know, they come in the next morning

01:28:14.920 and the food is still there.

01:28:17.020 So like, what the hell?

01:28:18.120 They're thinking something's off.

01:28:19.340 So they look in the cell and they see that the bed, right?

01:28:22.240 It looks like there's a body in there.

01:28:23.760 So they're like, hmm, what the hell?

01:28:25.380 So they go ahead and they open up the cell door

01:28:28.400 and they go and they realize, holy shit, it's his books.

01:28:31.340 It's not even him.

01:28:32.160 So that bought him a little bit more time, you know,

01:28:34.420 for them to eventually find out where the hell he was.

01:28:36.920 So the guy had cut a hole out at the top and escaped through the roof.

01:28:42.180 Oh, man.

01:28:44.040 Second escape, guys.

01:28:45.960 A big enough opening in the ceiling of his cell.

01:28:48.320 He lost so much weight that he was able to wriggle through.

01:28:51.160 He called through the ducting, just like in a movie.

01:28:55.860 All right.

01:28:56.640 Music as well.

01:28:57.520 So let me just.

01:28:59.940 So he goes into the closet.

01:29:01.280 And he goes into one of the jailer's apartment, right?

01:29:05.280 That wasn't there.

01:29:07.620 This is astounding.

01:29:08.900 Puts on civilian clothes.

01:29:10.660 And he gets out into the night and he's free again.

01:29:14.940 And he's out of there.

01:29:16.220 They woke up in Glenwood Springs and discovered that Bundy had escaped

01:29:19.940 basically 12 hours before.

01:29:23.000 Yep.

01:29:23.260 They didn't catch on until later on.

01:29:24.400 Because, again, the only reason they even paid attention was because

01:29:27.260 he didn't eat his food.

01:29:28.080 So he had left that evening, guys, on December 29th.

01:29:31.620 But they didn't find out until the next day.

01:29:33.940 And, again, it's New Year's Eve.

01:29:34.840 Skeleton crew.

01:29:35.420 They don't have a lot.

01:29:36.000 They don't have as many people working.

01:29:38.660 Did you think it was possible to get out this way?

01:29:40.920 We've eliminated what we felt at that time in the possible escape route from the roof.

01:29:46.360 However, we were wrong.

01:29:47.860 These Keystone cops, as the paper would refer to them as,

01:29:51.240 let this guy go again.

01:29:52.420 What's Garfield County doing to find him?

01:29:54.540 We're looking everywhere.

01:29:56.560 Trains, buses.

01:29:57.320 And this is the usual thing.

01:29:59.160 And just so y'all know, this is a massive L, bro.

01:30:01.520 Anyone that works in the prison system already knows.

01:30:03.860 Like, you got to...

01:30:05.320 Someone escapes from your prison?

01:30:08.760 That is a massive, massive, massive L, man.

01:30:12.440 So, yeah.

01:30:13.380 I mean, they got to just kind of, you know, deal with the cake on their face

01:30:16.280 and try to find the guy.

01:30:17.860 But at this point, you know, he's escaped in civilian clothing.

01:30:21.120 He had a head start on them.

01:30:22.700 And then on top of that, it's Ted fucking Bundy.

01:30:24.540 He's not an idiot.

01:30:25.880 Well-spoken guy.

01:30:26.940 Charming.

01:30:27.420 Charismatic.

01:30:27.820 Like we said before, he was able to hide in plain sight what sets the stage

01:30:32.420 for the next chapter in this serial killer's spree.

01:30:36.620 No idea where he is.

01:30:40.560 People should be very careful, should check on their neighbors, make sure their cars are

01:30:44.640 secure.

01:30:45.940 We're just looking.

01:30:46.940 I couldn't believe anybody left.

01:30:48.100 All right.

01:30:48.460 So now, where the hell did Ted Bundy go after this?

01:30:50.600 Well, I'll tell y'all where he went.

01:30:52.440 We're going to go ahead and look at his route.

01:30:54.660 He also caught a college football game as well while he was up there.

01:31:15.380 I think it was, was it the Rose Bowl?

01:31:17.720 I forget which, but he did catch a college football game while he was up there as well,

01:31:20.960 guys.

01:31:21.080 So my man went on a whole tour.

01:31:22.560 He was taking buses, planes.

01:31:24.380 He ended up going to Atlanta as well in between getting to Florida.

01:31:27.940 So he had a couple of major cities, guys, while he was on the run from Colorado.

01:31:32.740 Yeah.

01:31:33.480 Wildness.

01:31:34.160 Wildness.

01:31:36.020 With a new identity, he rented a room in the Oaks Lodging House in the heart of the Florida

01:31:41.900 State University student area.

01:31:44.020 After 18 months of imprisonment, Bundy's scheming had paid off.

01:31:53.760 He'd made fools of the law and was finally free.

01:31:58.020 But for Ted Bundy, it wasn't enough.

01:32:01.500 Serial killers love being at the heart of the drama that's unfolding around them.

01:32:07.000 All right.

01:32:07.240 No one cares what this criminologist is going to say.

01:32:09.000 We're going to fast forward here a little bit to the murders, guys.

01:32:12.800 That he abhorred.

01:32:16.840 The 14th, 1978.

01:32:18.620 So January 14, 1978, guys.

01:32:20.540 OK, this is a very important date for the Bundy timeline.

01:32:24.960 Let's see what he does.

01:32:27.240 Just one week after arriving in Tallahassee, Ted Bundy struck again.

01:32:32.100 So just picture this, guys.

01:32:36.840 Your boy is on the run for murder in Colorado.

01:32:41.520 OK, he was convicted of kidnapping in Utah.

01:32:44.940 And on his way to Florida, he stopped in several states.

01:32:48.360 He went to Chicago.

01:32:49.260 He went to Michigan.

01:32:50.060 He caught a college football game.

01:32:51.640 He went to Atlanta.

01:32:52.380 Then he ends up where?

01:32:54.500 In sunny Florida.

01:32:55.620 And the reason why he picked Florida, guys, is because it was on the other side of the country.

01:32:59.320 It was a different type of atmosphere.

01:33:01.320 And another reason, too, guys, and I read this as well.

01:33:04.580 He picked Florida because it would be cheaper for him to kind of move around undetected because in a warmer state, he didn't have to rely so much on having a lot of clothes, moving around with a lot of stuff.

01:33:15.640 So Florida afforded him a little bit more anonymity.

01:33:18.100 And then on top of that, it was the other side of the country.

01:33:19.940 Remember, guys, the world was not as connected back in 1978 as it is now.

01:33:24.080 OK, Bundy was famous, right, obviously, in the Pacific Northwest and that entire area over there.

01:33:30.620 But in Florida, you know, though he was in the news, it wasn't to the same degree.

01:33:35.160 OK, so that afforded him a little bit more anonymity so that he would be able to move, change his name and be able to kind of operate.

01:33:42.060 And remember, he's still a normal looking guy, et cetera.

01:33:43.720 So it allowed him to go over there to the panhandle area of the great state of Florida.

01:33:51.140 About three o'clock in the morning.

01:33:52.860 So he goes into a sorority house here.

01:33:55.280 A young woman named Nita Neri was returning to her sorority house.

01:34:00.720 She entered the downstairs.

01:34:03.180 She saw a man run out of the house.

01:34:07.560 Carrying what appeared to be a stick in his hand.

01:34:11.500 She went upstairs and awoke the sorority.

01:34:15.240 So the girl comes in from a date and she sees a fucking guy like like running out of the house.

01:34:19.720 Like, what the hell's going on here?

01:34:20.880 Like, what's what?

01:34:21.860 Like, what the really?

01:34:23.760 So what is this?

01:34:25.540 Like, did you just smash and run?

01:34:27.780 Like, was there an argument or some shit?

01:34:29.180 So she's like confused.

01:34:30.200 What's going on here?

01:34:31.320 Right.

01:34:31.560 And what she's about to find out is about to make a very grisly discovery, my friends.

01:34:36.720 President, when Karen Chandler walked out of her room, he turned to Karen and said, did you see and realize that the Karen was bleeding?

01:34:45.920 Jim Sewell was a sergeant and assistant to the chief of police when his phone rang that night.

01:34:55.660 The dispatcher called and said, Sarge, we've got two dead and two died.

01:35:03.980 Sewell was the first plainclothed officer on the scene.

01:35:06.780 When I got to the house upstairs, I went into Bowman's room.

01:35:12.820 Margaret Bowman had been strangled and was dead upon review by our officers.

01:35:19.380 A nylon stocking was tied tightly around Margaret Bowman's neck.

01:35:23.280 And remember, guys, what does he do with the nylon stockings?

01:35:25.520 He has that.

01:35:26.360 He had that in his kit when he was caught back in Utah.

01:35:31.000 She'd been clubbed with a branch so hard that her skull had been shattered.

01:35:36.780 It was everything you think about a beating victim, what she would say.

01:35:42.880 Across the hall, another victim was discovered.

01:35:46.920 Lisa Levy, she had also been beaten and it appeared to be strangled.

01:35:51.800 Yeah, I don't know why they're saying a branch guy.

01:35:54.320 It was more like a log, like a heavy-ass log is what he beat them both with.

01:35:58.280 And that's what the witness saw him running out of the home with.

01:36:02.620 And he had the mask on his head as well.

01:36:04.540 He had, like, the stockings on his head as well.

01:36:09.640 Year-old Lisa Levy was in bed, dead, lying on her side.

01:36:14.400 The covers pulled up over her shoulders.

01:36:17.320 She'd been sexually assaulted with an object.

01:36:20.780 The attack had been savage.

01:36:24.500 Lisa had also been bitten on the breast and on the buttocks.

01:36:29.380 Okay, guys, that's going to end up becoming a big piece of evidence later on.

01:36:34.180 So hold on to that, guys.

01:36:35.300 So he bites one of the victims in the butt and on the breast, okay?

01:36:41.060 And one of them actually is a double bite mark on the buttocks, okay?

01:36:44.140 That's going to be a key piece of evidence later on.

01:36:45.860 So keep that in mind, all right?

01:36:47.260 So he goes into the sorority house and kills two women, sexually assaults one of them,

01:36:50.880 and he also beat a couple of others, okay?

01:36:55.680 Two more girls, Karen Chandler and Kathy Kleiner, had also been bludgeoned.

01:37:01.640 They only just survived the brutal attack.

01:37:04.160 All that built-up feelings burst out in a shark frenzy in that sorority house.

01:37:13.120 Well, wild.

01:37:13.660 It was a shark frenzy.

01:37:16.400 The serial murderer doesn't have boundaries, so it's as if a trigger is set off,

01:37:23.060 and they become not angry, they become rageful.

01:37:26.540 You guys got to remember, too, right?

01:37:27.980 He hasn't killed in a while.

01:37:29.120 He's been locked up.

01:37:29.940 He's been cooped up.

01:37:30.560 So this is his first chance to finally enact on his wild fantasies of attacking what?

01:37:36.400 Younger age college women.

01:37:38.460 You know, to our knowledge, right, he didn't commit any of these murders while he was traveling

01:37:42.720 to the United States trying to get away from Colorado while he was on the run,

01:37:45.380 but this is his first confirmed killings since being out of prison.

01:37:50.720 So he'd been in jail for damn near a year and a half, so he's going crazy, guys,

01:37:54.380 which obviously goes to show the callousness, the brazen attitude towards it,

01:37:58.340 the lack of regard, the reckless disregard for human life and for his own ability to evade detection.

01:38:05.100 He was like, yo, this is nuts.

01:38:06.900 I haven't killed someone in a while, and he just acts crazy, all right,

01:38:11.080 which is why he was so vicious.

01:38:14.180 To the point that when you see the viciousness of the killings that they commit,

01:38:19.300 you're taken aback.

01:38:21.120 You think, well, how could this mild-mannered person do such horrendous things to another person,

01:38:27.200 a human being?

01:38:29.560 It had been just two weeks since Bundy had escaped from Colorado.

01:38:38.720 Could have hold it in two weeks later.

01:38:40.260 Okay, so this is going to get into the Kimberly Leach murder,

01:38:50.900 which I'm going to cover that for y'all as well,

01:38:55.000 but we're going to go ahead and go right into the trial, how he got caught, okay?

01:38:58.920 And I'll discuss Kimberly Leach after.

01:39:01.180 However, just so you guys know, he ended up killing a 12-year-old girl, okay?

01:39:05.180 After the sorority attacks, he ends up killing a 12-year-old girl

01:39:07.840 about a couple hours away from Tallahassee,

01:39:11.620 and I'll get into that case as well because it's its own other trial,

01:39:14.320 own other investigation.

01:39:15.600 But he gets caught after the Kimberly Leach murder and goes to trial,

01:39:20.160 which I want you guys to see right now

01:39:22.360 because this became a media spectacle, okay?

01:39:26.960 He ends up getting arrested, all right, in Pensacola, Florida.

01:39:30.920 The killer that had left a trail of bodies across America

01:39:35.720 had come out of the shadows, but he wasn't going down without a fight.

01:39:40.920 And there he is right there.

01:39:42.140 This is the sheriff of that county,

01:39:43.780 and this is your boy right here, right, Ted Bundy.

01:39:47.780 And he reads him the indictment,

01:39:50.200 and this is a famous scene here,

01:39:51.460 which I'm actually going to show you guys real fast.

01:39:55.260 Historic moment.

01:39:56.040 So he gets arrested, right, in Pensacola, Florida.

01:39:59.000 Here's the sheriff at the time, right?

01:40:02.040 And they had a hard-on.

01:40:02.780 They wanted him, like, gone because at this point,

01:40:04.660 they're able to piece him together

01:40:05.840 with all the other crimes all over the Pacific Northwest.

01:40:08.380 So they're like, yo, you're going to die in Florida.

01:40:10.400 We're going for the death penalty on you.

01:40:11.800 Florida doesn't play with that stuff, guys.

01:40:13.360 So this is a very iconic moment here,

01:40:15.200 and I'll just play it for you guys in full.

01:40:20.840 What do we have here, Ken?

01:40:22.060 Let's see.

01:40:22.600 You always say an indictment.

01:40:24.020 Ken is the name of the sheriff.

01:40:25.160 This is the indictment.

01:40:26.120 He says, what do we have here, Ken?

01:40:27.300 Oh, it's the indictment.

01:40:28.460 Why don't you read it to me?

01:40:30.640 You're up for election, aren't you?

01:40:33.080 He says you're up for election.

01:40:34.520 So he tries to write this off as a political move from the sheriff.

01:40:38.760 Because he purposely walks him out in front of all the cameras, right?

01:40:44.100 You told him that you were going to get me.

01:40:46.840 He said he was going to get me.

01:40:48.040 Okay?

01:40:48.400 You've got the indictment.

01:40:49.540 It's all you're going to get.

01:40:50.960 Let's read it.

01:40:51.820 Let's go.

01:40:53.220 Theodore Robert Bundy, you are charged indictment, two counts burglary,

01:40:58.560 two counts murder in the first degree,

01:41:00.800 three counts attempted murder in the first degree.

01:41:05.120 Design or intent to affect the death of said Lisa Lee.

01:41:08.420 My chance to talk to press contrary to Section 78204, Florida Statute.

01:41:13.020 I'll plead not guilty right now, and your grand jurisdiction...

01:41:15.220 So he says, I'll plead not guilty right now,

01:41:19.220 and that's where that famous hand sign comes up where he holds his hand up.

01:41:24.340 So, and this is where this is taken from.

01:41:26.340 So let's get back into this.

01:41:27.580 So they arrest him in Pensacola, Florida,

01:41:29.600 and he had murdered those two girls at the sorority house

01:41:32.440 and Kimberly Leach, the 12-year-old,

01:41:33.760 which will cover the Leach case here in a second,

01:41:35.780 after the first trial.

01:41:37.600 He goes on trial for the sorority murders first.

01:41:39.740 What do we have here, Ken?

01:41:41.200 Let's see.

01:41:41.760 You always say an indictment, all right?

01:41:43.740 Why don't you read it to me?

01:41:45.260 You're on the other election, aren't you?

01:41:47.420 Mr. Bundy?

01:41:48.140 You got it, didn't you?

01:41:49.300 Mr. Bundy?

01:41:49.880 You told him that you were going to get me.

01:41:51.940 He said he was going to get me, okay?

01:41:53.560 You've got the indictment.

01:41:54.700 It's all you're going to get.

01:41:57.440 Protesting his innocence,

01:41:58.880 he was going to lead his own defense.

01:42:01.340 The public would have to prepare themselves for a new Bundy.

01:42:04.920 Ted, the showman.

01:42:06.540 So now, he does what?

01:42:08.340 He makes himself like co-counsel on this one, guys, as well.

01:42:11.600 Takes a more active role in his own investigation.

01:42:13.920 Sorry, in his own trial.

01:42:15.600 And you see him and look at him.

01:42:16.740 He's wearing a suit and everything.

01:42:17.780 And he turns this thing into a circus court.

01:42:20.300 And then on top of that, guys,

01:42:21.460 this was one of the first criminal cases

01:42:24.520 that was nationally televised, okay?

01:42:27.780 So O.J. Simpson?

01:42:28.900 Hey, no.

01:42:29.960 This is the first main one

01:42:31.360 that was televised in the United States.

01:42:32.700 So this was all over the U.S.

01:42:35.040 Crazy media attention, all right?

01:42:38.340 My name's Ted Bundy,

01:42:40.600 and I'm a defendant in the case,

01:42:41.840 and I'm just here to excuse myself.

01:42:43.880 Bundy's trials were among the first to be televised,

01:42:47.000 and his notoriety turned them into a media circus.

01:42:51.180 The ego, narcissism, and outright arrogance

01:42:53.920 of the serial killer were on open display.

01:42:56.240 And just so y'all know,

01:42:58.060 every single state sent a representative

01:43:01.280 from their media company

01:43:02.480 to come and cover this trial,

01:43:04.320 as well as I think 30 to 40 different countries

01:43:07.160 brought media representatives

01:43:08.460 to cover this case as well.

01:43:10.000 This was huge in 1978.

01:43:13.480 This was the talk of the world at the time.

01:43:17.000 Created a figure of grotesque fascination.

01:43:19.560 I think the people in Florida,

01:43:22.760 both the public and the...

01:43:24.580 And this guy right here

01:43:25.360 was one of Bundy's attorney's guys

01:43:27.120 when he got convicted and got put to death.

01:43:31.060 He was one of his attorneys on the appeal

01:43:32.500 to try to push his stay of execution.

01:43:35.360 That's who this guy is.

01:43:36.860 Prosecutors in the case,

01:43:38.660 and the judges probably also,

01:43:40.600 were fascinated by the enormity

01:43:45.580 of what they thought he had done.

01:43:47.780 And the fact that, you know,

01:43:49.480 he was, he could have been the person next door.

01:43:52.580 Somebody described him as, you know,

01:43:55.540 kind of a lot of common people's ideal

01:44:00.520 of kind of person

01:44:02.440 they would like their daughter to marry.

01:44:05.100 And so I think that there's something

01:44:07.440 frightening about the prospect that,

01:44:10.400 you know, this all-American looking guy

01:44:13.000 could be a serial killer.

01:44:15.580 Bundy became a cult figure.

01:44:18.800 Women flocked to his trial.

01:44:21.220 Hey, man, what do I tell y'all?

01:44:23.720 Hypergamy doesn't care.

01:44:26.200 Clout is the main amplifier.

01:44:28.560 All these girls,

01:44:29.420 during his trial, guys,

01:44:30.760 they were all there watching him,

01:44:33.080 to include his girlfriend, Carol Ann,

01:44:35.000 which we'll talk about her

01:44:35.780 in a little bit as well.

01:44:37.060 He ended up fathering a trial with this woman.

01:44:38.740 But look at all the women

01:44:39.520 that were sitting there watching the trial,

01:44:41.900 just amazed, okay?

01:44:43.460 You know, there's a reason why women

01:44:44.380 love serial killers and they love,

01:44:45.680 you know, drama and all this other stuff.

01:44:48.660 And studies have actually shown this too, guys,

01:44:50.160 that women respond way more favorably

01:44:52.560 to negative treatment than men do.

01:44:54.220 Men tend to respond very favorably

01:44:55.780 from an attraction standpoint

01:44:57.360 to favorable treatment,

01:44:58.360 whereas women tend to,

01:44:59.940 you know, or positive treatment.

01:45:01.040 That's why giving a guy a compliment

01:45:02.260 goes so far,

01:45:03.280 versus women tend to respond

01:45:05.040 more favorably to negative treatment.

01:45:06.560 That's why bad boys

01:45:07.320 that don't put prioritized girls

01:45:08.860 and don't pedestalize girls

01:45:09.780 do so well.

01:45:10.920 But meanwhile, if you do pedestalize a girl

01:45:12.280 and give her compliments,

01:45:13.000 what did she do?

01:45:13.460 She'd lose respect for you.

01:45:14.520 So this guy is able to hit

01:45:16.960 so many different attraction triggers

01:45:18.700 from being charming, charismatic,

01:45:20.440 a former law student,

01:45:21.740 clean shaven, well-spoken,

01:45:24.300 doesn't look like a serial killer.

01:45:25.960 But they find out that he was involved

01:45:27.580 with potentially killing

01:45:28.480 a bunch of different women.

01:45:29.920 And remember, guys,

01:45:30.480 at this point,

01:45:30.860 it didn't come out that he killed 30 women.

01:45:32.280 They just suspected him

01:45:33.200 of potentially killing these women.

01:45:34.560 But they knew that he had killed

01:45:36.060 these women in Florida

01:45:37.340 in the sorority home.

01:45:40.520 So all these college students, right,

01:45:43.400 show up to watch the trial

01:45:45.280 of a dude that killed

01:45:46.740 one of their classmates.

01:45:48.360 So, hey, man,

01:45:51.400 it is what it is.

01:45:53.280 I tell you guys all the time,

01:45:54.620 attraction is not a choice.

01:45:57.140 Every time he turns around,

01:45:58.400 I kind of get that feeling,

01:45:59.580 no, no, you know,

01:46:00.980 going to get me next.

01:46:02.460 But yet you're fascinated by him.

01:46:04.320 Very, very.

01:46:05.080 Every night when I go to bed,

01:46:06.460 I, you know,

01:46:07.280 I get very scared.

01:46:08.380 I shut my door and lock.

01:46:10.140 Try to imagine yourself in his place

01:46:12.620 and see how he's feeling,

01:46:14.540 looking at the pillows,

01:46:15.760 the bloodstains and everything.

01:46:17.000 If he really did it or not.

01:46:19.260 Why do you do it?

01:46:20.620 I don't know.

01:46:22.280 Robin Lloyd, Channel 4 News.

01:46:24.920 Ted had his gallery of women

01:46:27.120 nearly every day in court.

01:46:29.700 And they would send him messages.

01:46:31.900 They would try to get his attention.

01:46:33.380 They would try to catch his eye.

01:46:35.440 And then later when he was on death row,

01:46:36.960 he got tons of mail from them.

01:46:39.040 They would send him nude pictures

01:46:40.520 of themselves,

01:46:42.440 you know, erotic stories,

01:46:43.860 their fantasies of being with him.

01:46:46.140 And this happened a lot also, guys,

01:46:47.540 with other serial killers,

01:46:48.500 such as the Night Stalker

01:46:49.700 and Jeffrey Dahmer as well.

01:46:51.800 A lot of fan mail.

01:46:53.140 I think Charles Manson as well.

01:46:54.680 So, yeah, man, I mean,

01:46:55.560 like I said before,

01:46:56.220 if you could pick one amplifier,

01:46:57.480 it is by far status, guys.

01:46:58.920 That's what it is, man.

01:47:01.260 Nice guys finished last, for real.

01:47:02.640 Don't be a serial killer, though.

01:47:05.080 I know some of you,

01:47:05.500 oh, okay, go be a serial killer,

01:47:06.780 get girls.

01:47:07.360 Don't be stupid.

01:47:08.500 But you guys get what I'm saying here.

01:47:11.020 It's a very bizarre syndrome,

01:47:13.120 and I frankly had a loss to explain it.

01:47:16.780 Yeah, that's because

01:47:17.380 you're not RP aware, my friend.

01:47:18.560 You're a blue pill simp.

01:47:19.560 Let's keep going.

01:47:20.080 You're going to represent yourself

01:47:21.660 or you're going to get another attorney?

01:47:23.080 I'm staying with the man

01:47:24.660 I know best right now,

01:47:25.760 and that's me.

01:47:26.960 His ego led him to believe

01:47:29.280 that there wasn't a brighter attorney out there,

01:47:31.220 even though he had never finished law school.

01:47:33.160 The extraordinary part about the Bundy trial

01:47:35.600 was the extent of his participation in it.

01:47:39.080 Bundy appeared every inch the lawyer,

01:47:41.820 cross-examining witnesses.

01:47:43.720 Yo, I don't know how insane you guys,

01:47:46.500 yo, the fact that you are the defendant

01:47:49.860 and you're cross-examining

01:47:51.160 the same police officers

01:47:52.480 that showed up to arrest you

01:47:54.180 and or gathered evidence against you

01:47:55.840 is wild to me.

01:47:58.000 So, and you guys are going to see here

01:47:59.400 the detail he kind of goes into it,

01:48:00.900 but this is unheard of.

01:48:02.060 Another reason why Ted Bundy is so infamous,

01:48:03.980 he represented himself in a murder trial

01:48:06.620 for a capital offense

01:48:08.800 where the death penalty is on the table.

01:48:10.840 So for him to take such ridiculous risk,

01:48:13.700 thinking he didn't even complete law school,

01:48:15.580 yo, I could do this,

01:48:16.320 I'm going to be a big part

01:48:17.460 of my own defense team.

01:48:18.820 Bro, wild, wild, wild, wild.

01:48:23.060 Analyzing blood samples,

01:48:24.660 even questioning forensic evidence

01:48:26.940 of bite marks taken from a victim's bottom.

01:48:30.060 So one of the state's main piece of evidence, guys,

01:48:33.940 was they brought in a forensic odontist, essentially.

01:48:38.420 And that person was able to say,

01:48:39.860 yo, his bite marks on the buttocks

01:48:42.180 100% align with his teeth, right?

01:48:46.800 Because they had done a search warrant

01:48:47.960 and gotten the placings of his teeth.

01:48:49.920 They had done a mold on his teeth.

01:48:51.120 And they compared that to the scars

01:48:53.540 on the woman's buttocks and her breasts.

01:48:55.940 And they were able to match it.

01:48:57.600 And back then in the 70s,

01:48:58.880 they didn't have DNA testing like we do now.

01:49:01.380 So they were able to go ahead

01:49:03.120 and use teeth to identify him

01:49:04.920 as the perpetrator,

01:49:05.880 which back then as well, guys,

01:49:07.300 just so y'all know,

01:49:08.440 they would use dental records

01:49:09.880 a lot of times to identify individuals

01:49:11.580 who may have been murdered

01:49:12.980 and they didn't know who they were

01:49:13.940 because DNA wasn't a thing.

01:49:15.100 This is why Whitey Bulger back in the day,

01:49:16.740 which I brought up,

01:49:17.380 I did this case as well,

01:49:18.820 Boston Crime Boss,

01:49:20.020 when he was to murder his people,

01:49:21.860 his victims,

01:49:22.440 he would always pull out their teeth

01:49:23.860 after they were murdered

01:49:25.000 so that police were not able

01:49:26.220 to identify the victim after the fact

01:49:27.860 and trace the victim back to him.

01:49:29.260 Okay.

01:49:30.920 Our contention all along,

01:49:33.560 Your Honor,

01:49:33.840 has been that they have taken my teeth

01:49:35.460 and twisted them every which way

01:49:36.940 but loose the pit.

01:49:38.420 He swaggered across the courtroom

01:49:40.300 and he does all the gestures,

01:49:42.200 puts his hands down.

01:49:43.520 And, I mean,

01:49:44.520 he watched enough courtroom

01:49:46.620 and enough Perry Mason on television

01:49:48.720 that he absolutely looked

01:49:50.820 and sounded the part of a lawyer.

01:49:52.780 And it was just amazing to believe

01:49:54.360 that this was the guy

01:49:55.340 that was accused of all these brutal crimes.

01:49:58.120 Good morning, officer.

01:49:59.360 Good morning.

01:49:59.800 Just as he had separated his murders

01:50:01.980 from his everyday life,

01:50:03.580 in court,

01:50:04.400 Bundy separated the serial killer

01:50:06.060 from the lawyer

01:50:06.880 that the jurors felt differently.

01:50:09.900 His defense team guys

01:50:12.240 got so frustrated with him.

01:50:13.460 One of them actually walked out

01:50:15.000 after giving like a really good

01:50:16.720 cross-examination, by the way,

01:50:18.420 on the police officer

01:50:19.340 who was, you know,

01:50:20.080 stuttering on the stand,

01:50:20.980 didn't really know,

01:50:22.540 or actually no,

01:50:23.060 one of the star witnesses,

01:50:24.480 Bundy's lead attorney

01:50:27.980 did a really good cross-examination

01:50:29.840 and totally tore down his credibility.

01:50:31.760 And then right after that,

01:50:33.040 Bundy basically said,

01:50:34.100 yo, my counsel is not adept,

01:50:36.000 they suck, etc.

01:50:37.240 And that defense counsel,

01:50:38.680 that lawyer,

01:50:39.180 ended up walking out

01:50:40.080 and leaving.

01:50:41.040 And that left Bundy

01:50:42.200 kind of on his own to defend.

01:50:44.340 But then the judge was like,

01:50:45.240 no, we're not going to go ahead

01:50:46.260 and replace your attorney now.

01:50:47.660 So they brought him back

01:50:48.900 and he ended up

01:50:50.260 still finishing out the case.

01:50:51.300 But obviously there was

01:50:51.980 some bad blood between them

01:50:52.940 because he said in open court,

01:50:54.420 yo, this counsel right here

01:50:55.720 is not,

01:50:56.560 he's not proficient enough

01:50:58.380 because they were like,

01:50:59.640 yo, Ted,

01:51:00.620 we don't,

01:51:01.120 we can't win this thing.

01:51:02.240 You need to plead guilty, bro.

01:51:03.320 If you plead guilty now,

01:51:04.720 we're going to,

01:51:05.460 we can spare you the death penalty.

01:51:07.240 But he refused to plead guilty.

01:51:08.820 He wanted to fight it to the end.

01:51:11.260 He was apparently thinking

01:51:13.260 he was coming across

01:51:14.480 as a lawyer

01:51:15.540 and they were seeing him

01:51:16.980 in a much different light.

01:51:18.460 He never really appreciated

01:51:21.140 the weight of the accusations

01:51:25.020 that he carried with him

01:51:26.740 and the effect that that had

01:51:28.420 on ordinary people.

01:51:30.160 The first victim you saw.

01:51:32.580 All right.

01:51:32.920 So this is very shocking here,

01:51:35.060 what you guys are about to see.

01:51:35.920 So I want you guys to pay attention

01:51:36.800 to what he asked this officer

01:51:38.580 and what ends up happening.

01:51:41.140 Bundy appeared to relish

01:51:42.480 the role of lawyer.

01:51:43.880 At one stage,

01:51:45.020 launching into such

01:51:45.820 an excruciatingly detailed

01:51:47.460 cross-examination

01:51:48.500 that he appeared to be

01:51:49.600 reliving the crime.

01:51:51.140 One after another,

01:51:53.160 his trials were descending

01:51:54.520 into chaos.

01:51:56.420 It went.

01:51:57.620 He asked the officer,

01:51:59.020 right,

01:51:59.320 that found one of the bodies,

01:52:00.860 so what were her eyes like?

01:52:02.580 Describe in detail

01:52:03.640 to the best of your recollection

01:52:05.120 what you were able to see.

01:52:06.680 What were the marks like?

01:52:07.980 What else did you see?

01:52:09.220 Oh, you saw that.

01:52:10.460 And he had to go into detail

01:52:11.740 about seeing her eyes

01:52:12.620 being like open,

01:52:13.980 the wound in her head.

01:52:16.040 It was like a baseball size.

01:52:17.840 The blood all over the place.

01:52:19.420 How her body was positioned.

01:52:21.720 He asked her,

01:52:22.560 he asked him an invasive question

01:52:23.820 like,

01:52:24.080 did you touch her?

01:52:25.600 You know,

01:52:26.160 when you went

01:52:26.700 and you did your investigation,

01:52:28.240 which he responded,

01:52:29.080 no,

01:52:29.540 I just pulled the sheet off.

01:52:30.780 I didn't touch her actual corpse.

01:52:32.680 He was asking a bunch

01:52:33.520 of very invasive questions

01:52:34.780 that didn't really make sense.

01:52:36.920 But that hurt him with the jury

01:52:38.460 because the jury was like,

01:52:39.320 what the fuck?

01:52:39.860 Why is this dude asking this shit?

01:52:41.200 Like,

01:52:41.320 what's wrong with this nigga?

01:52:42.440 What?

01:52:43.060 Right?

01:52:43.520 And it seemed as though

01:52:44.560 he was like almost reliving

01:52:46.280 the crime

01:52:47.900 while asking the officer

01:52:49.440 to describe the scene

01:52:51.180 after the fact

01:52:51.720 because keep in mind, guys,

01:52:52.540 after he killed the individuals,

01:52:54.160 right,

01:52:54.280 he killed the victims,

01:52:55.180 he didn't stay there

01:52:55.840 and like,

01:52:56.100 look at it.

01:52:56.680 He got the hell out of there.

01:52:57.640 Y'all saw the witness

01:52:58.360 that saw him run out of there

01:52:59.600 with the log and the mask

01:53:00.480 on his face.

01:53:01.020 So he didn't have time

01:53:02.100 to really sit there

01:53:02.800 and observe

01:53:03.220 and really relish in his crime

01:53:04.700 like he normally did

01:53:05.440 because keep in mind,

01:53:06.420 prior to this,

01:53:07.720 when he killed his victims,

01:53:09.140 what he would do is

01:53:09.960 he would kill them,

01:53:10.940 bring them out to a rural area

01:53:11.880 in the woods,

01:53:12.500 he would decapitate some of them,

01:53:13.640 he decapitated about 12 of his victims,

01:53:15.600 right,

01:53:15.800 and he'd go back

01:53:16.720 and like,

01:53:17.640 look at the body,

01:53:18.300 then leave,

01:53:18.880 then come back,

01:53:19.400 look at the body again.

01:53:20.460 Sometimes he practiced necrophilia

01:53:21.800 on the bodies.

01:53:22.660 So this was an individual,

01:53:24.700 right,

01:53:25.100 that was very sick in the head

01:53:26.220 that liked to see

01:53:27.440 the extent of his crimes

01:53:29.260 after the fact.

01:53:30.140 So he didn't get to enjoy

01:53:31.080 and get that pleasure

01:53:31.980 with these sorority girls.

01:53:33.640 So he's asking the police officer

01:53:34.900 in open court

01:53:35.880 to go ahead

01:53:37.680 and describe

01:53:38.420 what he saw

01:53:39.360 so that he can almost

01:53:40.280 kind of fantasize it in his head.

01:53:41.660 Goes to show the kind of

01:53:42.600 crazy individual he was.

01:53:45.600 Somebody said,

01:53:46.120 bro was bricked up

01:53:46.700 in the courtroom.

01:53:47.700 Day and night

01:53:48.740 on his whim,

01:53:50.900 he

01:53:51.160 got to

01:53:52.880 the point of

01:53:54.020 auditioning

01:53:54.980 some of the lawyers

01:53:56.360 for who would make

01:53:58.160 the opening statement,

01:53:59.560 who would cross-examine

01:54:01.000 certain witnesses,

01:54:02.360 who would make

01:54:03.040 the closing argument.

01:54:04.980 To lawyers trying to conduct

01:54:06.360 an overall strategy

01:54:08.180 of a trial,

01:54:09.640 this was impossible

01:54:10.780 to deal with.

01:54:12.420 You could-

01:54:12.620 Yeah, this is a nightmare

01:54:13.480 for defense.

01:54:14.240 Oh, my bad, guys.

01:54:15.120 Video.

01:54:15.500 My bad, my bad.

01:54:16.320 Sorry.

01:54:17.020 Yeah, this was a nightmare

01:54:17.840 for defense counsel.

01:54:19.280 You didn't have a theory

01:54:20.700 of defense

01:54:21.220 when the client

01:54:21.940 was constantly pulling

01:54:23.400 the rug out

01:54:24.000 from under you.

01:54:24.560 In a final act of farce,

01:54:27.600 Bundy used a legal quirk

01:54:28.820 of Florida law.

01:54:30.400 Okay, so we're going

01:54:31.140 to skip this

01:54:31.560 because they pulled it.

01:54:32.940 This comes from

01:54:33.400 the other trial,

01:54:34.020 which they didn't do

01:54:34.500 a good job of distinguishing it,

01:54:35.620 but it's fine.

01:54:36.060 I got y'all.

01:54:36.500 This is why doing

01:54:37.040 the research is so important.

01:54:38.420 So now we're going

01:54:39.260 to talk about the first trial.

01:54:40.500 What led him

01:54:41.040 to actually getting convicted?

01:54:42.200 What was his big fuck up?

01:54:43.260 Okay?

01:54:43.980 And we're going to cover

01:54:45.140 the little quick little summary

01:54:46.580 of that first trial.

01:54:47.420 Then we're going to go

01:54:47.820 into the second trial

01:54:48.560 with the murder

01:54:49.440 of Kimberly Leach,

01:54:50.140 12-year-old Kimberly Leach.

01:54:51.100 Rest in peace to her.

01:54:51.720 This is the first trial, guys,

01:55:08.820 for the two college girls

01:55:09.700 that he killed.

01:55:10.180 It all comes back full circle, man.

01:55:38.460 The afternoon testimony

01:55:40.720 came from Dr. Richard Suveran,

01:55:43.000 who is a forensic dentist.

01:55:47.580 He tested...

01:55:48.220 That's a famous photo

01:55:49.080 of them getting the impressions

01:55:50.260 of his teeth

01:55:50.900 for the murder trial,

01:55:53.860 getting the impression

01:55:54.680 so that they can go ahead

01:55:55.540 and compare it

01:55:56.140 to the injuries

01:55:57.000 from the buttocks.

01:55:58.620 ...fied.

01:55:59.160 The head had bitten

01:55:59.840 two of the Chi Omegas

01:56:01.320 and left teeth marks

01:56:02.580 in the breasts

01:56:03.300 and buttocks

01:56:04.120 of one of the dead girls.

01:56:05.740 Our teeth are almost

01:56:07.960 as good at identifying us

01:56:09.780 as our fingertips.

01:56:10.760 That's his teeth impression

01:56:11.640 right there.

01:56:13.900 And Dr. Suveran

01:56:15.180 was explaining

01:56:15.920 where all these marks

01:56:18.340 and how they matched

01:56:19.380 exactly with Ted's head,

01:56:20.920 very unusual teeth.

01:56:23.400 And just so y'all know,

01:56:24.220 also,

01:56:24.780 the trial was actually

01:56:26.000 held in Miami.

01:56:26.960 The trial was not held

01:56:28.020 up north

01:56:28.860 where the crimes

01:56:29.480 originally occurred

01:56:30.080 because it was

01:56:30.860 a media spectacle.

01:56:32.140 They were worried

01:56:32.680 that the jury

01:56:34.040 wouldn't be impartial.

01:56:35.300 So they went ahead

01:56:36.000 and got a very diverse

01:56:38.140 jury, right,

01:56:39.020 of black men,

01:56:39.780 women,

01:56:40.560 white people.

01:56:41.940 It was a racially

01:56:42.760 diverse jury.

01:56:44.640 And it was a jury trial

01:56:46.620 unlike his bench trial

01:56:47.720 that he did in Utah

01:56:48.500 where he was found guilty.

01:56:49.940 So they had to move

01:56:51.240 the venue to Miami

01:56:52.140 to actually do it.

01:56:53.700 Okay.

01:56:54.280 That's another important

01:56:55.140 factor as well.

01:56:56.360 And this doctor

01:56:56.920 that they brought in

01:56:57.580 was a Miami doctor.

01:56:59.700 And he said,

01:57:00.120 there's no question

01:57:00.980 that Ted Bundy

01:57:02.580 bit this girl

01:57:03.700 either before

01:57:04.300 or after he killed him.

01:57:06.220 The court was over

01:57:07.200 and Ted was walking

01:57:08.080 out of the room

01:57:08.600 and he was always

01:57:09.120 handcuffed and manacled

01:57:10.460 and he was carrying

01:57:12.100 his files

01:57:13.500 as he usually did.

01:57:14.820 And he looked at me

01:57:15.760 and he went like,

01:57:17.340 I didn't do it.

01:57:19.140 I have no part of this,

01:57:21.620 but I knew

01:57:22.280 he did do it.

01:57:24.960 I went down the hall

01:57:26.200 and threw up

01:57:26.820 because I had to

01:57:27.820 accept it at that point.

01:57:28.960 Theodore Robert Bundy

01:57:34.180 was found guilty

01:57:35.400 beyond reasonable doubt.

01:57:37.220 Bam.

01:57:37.820 Holy man.

01:57:42.120 That's an L right there,

01:57:43.340 my friends.

01:57:44.180 Big L.

01:57:46.040 Ted Bundy's fate

01:57:47.020 is now in the hands

01:57:48.040 of Judge Edward Cowart.

01:57:49.680 The judge will announce

01:57:50.640 this afternoon

01:57:51.420 whether he will send

01:57:52.280 the former law student

01:57:53.280 to the electric chair.

01:57:54.880 Yesterday,

01:57:55.400 the jury heard

01:57:56.140 Bundy's mother.

01:57:56.980 That's his jury.

01:57:58.060 The jury,

01:57:58.460 as you guys can see,

01:57:59.020 fairly diverse here.

01:58:00.460 Hold on,

01:58:00.840 let's go back to it.

01:58:04.140 The judge will announce

01:58:05.300 this afternoon

01:58:06.060 whether he will send

01:58:06.940 the former law student

01:58:07.920 to the electric chair.

01:58:09.540 Yesterday,

01:58:10.080 the jury...

01:58:10.620 You guys can see

01:58:11.480 pretty diverse, right?

01:58:12.220 You got women, men.

01:58:13.240 I know there were

01:58:13.960 some black guys

01:58:14.480 in the back as well.

01:58:15.100 You can see one over here,

01:58:15.920 a Caucasian guy here.

01:58:17.140 So, you know,

01:58:18.060 pretty diverse jury panel

01:58:20.020 down there in Miami.

01:58:21.760 Jury heard Bundy's mother

01:58:23.260 ask that her son be spared,

01:58:25.160 but the state reminded

01:58:26.280 the jury of the victims.

01:58:28.540 How nice it would have been

01:58:30.180 if Lisa leaving...

01:58:32.500 There's another picture

01:58:33.220 of the jury.

01:58:36.200 And here's the prosecutor

01:58:36.960 right here

01:58:37.480 giving his closing statements.

01:58:40.420 Bundy's mother

01:58:41.080 could have been there

01:58:41.820 on the morning

01:58:42.320 of January 15th of 1978

01:58:44.680 and asked for mercy for them.

01:58:47.620 So he's saying

01:58:48.260 no mercy for Ted

01:58:49.120 because he didn't give

01:58:49.700 mercy to the victims.

01:58:52.740 Bundy was sentenced

01:58:53.820 to death by electrocution.

01:58:57.080 But the conviction

01:58:58.080 would be just the beginning

01:58:59.180 of years of schemes

01:59:00.440 and appeals

01:59:01.240 as Bundy's celebrity

01:59:03.000 grew on death row.

01:59:06.680 When he would talk to you,

01:59:09.020 you'd have one face

01:59:10.760 that would be looking at you,

01:59:12.960 but you always felt like

01:59:13.880 there was a game going on.

01:59:17.040 Law enforcement had lists

01:59:18.760 of missing girls

01:59:19.680 that they and their families

01:59:20.880 wanted information on.

01:59:21.980 Okay, so he gets convicted

01:59:23.600 of the first murder, guys,

01:59:24.900 right?

01:59:25.500 In Miami.

01:59:28.040 So now,

01:59:29.220 he goes to trial

01:59:30.100 right after

01:59:31.420 for Kimberly Leach,

01:59:33.140 a 12-year-old out of,

01:59:34.220 I think it was

01:59:34.880 Lakeview, Florida.

01:59:36.020 So now we're going to cover

01:59:37.200 the Kimberly Leach case, okay?

01:59:38.760 Because I didn't want to get

01:59:39.440 you guys confused or whatever,

01:59:40.380 but keep in mind that

01:59:41.100 when he was on his

01:59:41.660 killing spree in Florida,

01:59:42.580 he had killed

01:59:43.180 those two college girls.

01:59:44.420 Then, a day or so after,

01:59:45.980 he had killed

01:59:46.680 a 12-year-old girl

01:59:47.900 miles away.

01:59:49.580 And we're going to cover

01:59:50.140 that second case,

01:59:50.840 which he also went to trial

01:59:51.900 on this as well, okay?

01:59:53.360 Whole separate trial.

01:59:56.620 Almost three weeks

01:59:57.820 after the Chi Omega attacks,

02:00:00.140 a white Dodge van

02:00:01.600 was reported stolen

02:00:02.660 from the media department

02:00:03.780 of the Florida State University.

02:00:08.660 Four days later,

02:00:10.360 it would resurface

02:00:11.420 100 miles away in Lake City.

02:00:19.800 12-year-old Kimberly Leach

02:00:21.620 was attending junior high school.

02:00:24.520 About to start a PE lesson,

02:00:26.480 she realized she'd left

02:00:27.520 her bag in her homeroom.

02:00:29.980 She was given permission

02:00:30.840 to return to the other building

02:00:32.160 to get it.

02:00:34.880 She did not return.

02:00:36.160 That morning,

02:00:40.760 a witness saw a young girl

02:00:42.180 close to tears

02:00:43.520 being pushed into

02:00:44.700 the passenger seat

02:00:45.600 of a white van

02:00:46.880 by a scowling man.

02:00:49.160 He assumed him

02:00:50.140 to be an angry parent.

02:00:51.940 So that's key right there.

02:00:53.300 And we're going to talk

02:00:53.740 about the evidence

02:00:54.220 that they found against him

02:00:55.140 as well in this.

02:00:57.100 But this is what also occurred.

02:00:58.420 That same morning,

02:01:03.360 another witness

02:01:04.020 saw a white van swerving,

02:01:05.980 almost out of control,

02:01:07.480 on the highway.

02:01:08.920 The angry driver

02:01:09.900 shouting towards

02:01:11.020 the passenger seat.

02:01:16.500 Just days later,

02:01:18.380 the white van

02:01:19.140 that had been stolen

02:01:19.980 from the university

02:01:20.840 in Tallahassee

02:01:21.820 was recovered.

02:01:23.800 Very, very driven.

02:01:24.820 It had driven

02:01:25.360 some 500 or so miles.

02:01:28.420 And we found

02:01:30.760 signs of trauma

02:01:31.760 in there.

02:01:32.260 There were branches

02:01:33.340 and leaves.

02:01:35.100 All right.

02:01:35.700 So this is going

02:01:36.200 to lead to the trial,

02:01:37.200 which I'll go into.

02:01:38.240 I'll show you guys

02:01:38.720 the trial as well

02:01:39.360 because the Netflix

02:01:40.100 documentary does this

02:01:41.020 a lot better here,

02:01:41.740 which I'll show y'all

02:01:43.200 right here.

02:01:44.020 And then also,

02:01:44.480 I just want to let

02:01:44.840 you guys know.

02:01:45.240 So he committed,

02:01:45.720 just to give you guys

02:01:46.200 a quick little timeline.

02:01:47.280 January 15th,

02:01:48.240 he killed the two

02:01:49.720 college students.

02:01:50.280 And then on February 9th,

02:01:51.600 he killed Kimberly Leach.

02:01:53.900 Okay.

02:01:54.160 So literally about

02:01:55.080 a month later,

02:01:55.800 he goes ahead

02:01:56.600 and he kills

02:01:56.900 an innocent 12-year-old girl

02:01:57.960 and kidnaps her

02:01:58.980 from the school.

02:02:00.800 So now he's going

02:02:02.420 to go ahead

02:02:02.900 and face trial

02:02:03.720 for the Lakeview case.

02:02:07.540 This was the prosecutor

02:02:09.820 on the case.

02:02:10.460 So they go ahead

02:02:11.040 and they go after him

02:02:11.700 for the death penalty

02:02:12.400 for a second time.

02:02:13.600 And just so y'all know,

02:02:27.860 he went to trial

02:02:28.320 for the second one

02:02:29.040 in February of,

02:02:32.820 or no,

02:02:34.060 no, this was later on.

02:02:35.060 This is like a year later.

02:02:35.800 This is in 1980.

02:02:36.960 Okay.

02:02:37.560 So this is the evidence

02:02:39.140 that they ended up

02:02:39.640 having for the second trial

02:02:41.100 of Kimberly Leach.

02:02:42.360 I witnessed

02:02:42.980 that saw Bundy

02:02:44.140 loading Kim Leach

02:02:45.300 into the white van

02:02:46.220 at the junior high school.

02:02:48.520 And in that white van

02:02:49.720 that he was driving

02:02:50.840 was a blood state.

02:02:52.520 The blood type

02:02:53.280 was the same

02:02:54.020 as Kim's blood type.

02:02:55.440 Now that's an important

02:02:56.140 thing to realize.

02:02:56.900 They weren't able

02:02:57.360 to definitively identify

02:02:58.660 it as her blood, guys,

02:03:00.060 because back then,

02:03:00.760 remember,

02:03:01.100 DNA evidence

02:03:01.700 wasn't a thing.

02:03:03.700 However,

02:03:04.320 they were able

02:03:04.980 to at least match it

02:03:06.140 to be the same blood type,

02:03:07.660 even though they weren't

02:03:08.400 able to definitively say

02:03:09.340 it was her blood.

02:03:10.460 So circumstantial evidence,

02:03:11.860 but what I tell you guys

02:03:12.600 all the time on this podcast,

02:03:13.660 circumstantial evidence

02:03:14.340 when coupled with other pieces

02:03:15.380 of circumstantial evidence

02:03:16.280 almost always paints

02:03:17.400 a very solid picture.

02:03:18.760 So let's keep going

02:03:19.420 into what they had.

02:03:22.660 Numerous fibers

02:03:23.520 from the clothing

02:03:24.660 from Kim Leach's body

02:03:26.340 were found

02:03:27.260 on the van carpet.

02:03:29.140 And they found her body,

02:03:30.420 guys,

02:03:30.640 a few months later

02:03:31.380 in the woods.

02:03:32.120 That's how they were able

02:03:32.720 to piece the van

02:03:34.520 and the clothing.

02:03:35.680 Fibers from Bundy's

02:03:39.140 blue blazer

02:03:39.680 was found

02:03:40.320 on Kim's clothing.

02:03:41.980 Blue blazer.

02:03:42.780 Shoe tracks.

02:03:43.880 There was a mountain

02:03:44.580 of evidence against him.

02:03:46.180 Shoe tracks of his size.

02:03:48.600 Theodore Bundy

02:03:49.220 faced the jury

02:03:50.020 for the last time.

02:03:51.760 So here he is

02:03:52.400 wearing his bow tie,

02:03:53.600 right,

02:03:54.100 basically

02:03:55.640 during the second trial.

02:03:58.360 And at this point,

02:03:58.960 I think he had been

02:03:59.540 found guilty.

02:04:01.300 Bundy defended himself

02:04:02.800 and that did not

02:04:05.160 go over well

02:04:05.760 with the jury.

02:04:06.820 He displayed

02:04:07.760 a tremendous amount

02:04:08.640 of arrogance.

02:04:09.940 One thing that he did

02:04:10.900 was his...

02:04:12.520 And I'm going to

02:04:13.560 show you guys

02:04:14.120 what he did

02:04:14.620 right here,

02:04:15.720 okay?

02:04:16.200 I don't want to play

02:04:16.660 too much of the

02:04:17.140 Netflix special

02:04:17.720 because you know

02:04:18.300 how they be

02:04:18.720 with the copyright stuff.

02:04:20.140 This is what he

02:04:20.600 ended up doing

02:04:21.220 while on the

02:04:24.900 second trial.

02:04:25.940 Bundy and Boone

02:04:26.640 first became friends

02:04:27.700 when they worked...

02:04:28.840 He proposes

02:04:29.540 to his girl,

02:04:30.640 Carol Boone.

02:04:31.580 ...together in

02:04:32.180 Washington state

02:04:33.040 in 1974.

02:04:34.580 Bundy actually

02:04:35.340 proposed to Carol Ann

02:04:36.620 while she was

02:04:37.400 testifying on his

02:04:38.400 behalf at the

02:04:39.320 penalty phase

02:04:39.980 of his murder

02:04:40.520 trial in Florida.

02:04:41.760 So he had already

02:04:42.180 been found guilty.

02:04:43.220 So what does he do?

02:04:44.080 Calls her up to the

02:04:44.660 stand and says...

02:04:45.720 Will you marry me?

02:04:47.680 And I do hereby

02:04:48.760 marry you.

02:04:49.700 That was all

02:04:50.200 that was required

02:04:50.860 for them to be

02:04:52.380 officially married

02:04:53.240 in the state of

02:04:54.880 Florida.

02:04:55.460 Author Stephen

02:04:56.100 Michaud visited

02:04:56.960 Bundy numerous times

02:04:58.180 on death row.

02:04:59.240 He says he helped

02:04:59.920 arrange the surprising

02:05:01.140 courtroom proposal.

02:05:02.180 Even procuring

02:05:03.340 rings from Tiffany

02:05:04.240 and a wedding

02:05:05.020 outfit for Bundy.

02:05:06.400 I went to the

02:05:06.880 men's store

02:05:07.580 and bought Ted

02:05:08.120 a pair of khakis

02:05:10.480 and a bow tie

02:05:11.700 and some argyle

02:05:12.780 socks so he could

02:05:14.180 look spiffy

02:05:14.760 for the occasion.

02:05:15.960 Bundy and Boone

02:05:16.780 even had a daughter.

02:05:18.120 The result of a

02:05:18.900 moment of cloak

02:05:19.600 and dagger intimacy

02:05:20.580 in prison.

02:05:21.460 Carol told me

02:05:22.380 that there were

02:05:23.460 two ways

02:05:24.560 to have sex.

02:05:25.800 One was to

02:05:26.720 sneak into the

02:05:27.400 bathroom and the

02:05:28.380 other one was

02:05:29.000 behind the water

02:05:29.860 cooler.

02:05:30.280 A recent Netflix

02:05:31.440 documentary featured

02:05:32.580 audio of her

02:05:33.500 speaking about how

02:05:34.340 the baby was

02:05:34.980 conceived.

02:05:35.440 We kept looking

02:05:36.580 out the window.

02:05:38.000 There's a black

02:05:38.640 guard in the

02:05:39.360 trail night.

02:05:40.420 And just after

02:05:41.040 the first day

02:05:42.100 they just made

02:05:42.820 care of me.

02:05:43.660 Carol Ann Boone

02:05:44.440 believed Bundy's

02:05:45.360 claims of innocence

02:05:46.180 for many years.

02:05:47.700 She finally divorced

02:05:48.940 the serial killer

02:05:49.800 in 1986 and lived

02:05:51.740 in virtual obscurity

02:05:53.020 for more than 30

02:05:54.160 years.

02:05:55.200 Carol Ann Boone

02:05:55.820 is believed to have

02:05:56.620 lived in this

02:05:57.240 Seattle neighborhood

02:05:57.980 as recently as

02:05:59.360 last year.

02:06:00.840 Yeah.

02:06:01.520 So craziness

02:06:02.700 guys.

02:06:04.160 He was killed

02:06:04.920 three years later

02:06:05.500 in 1989.

02:06:06.060 But yes he went

02:06:07.260 ahead and proposed

02:06:08.460 to her in the

02:06:09.700 middle of his

02:06:10.300 murder trial after

02:06:11.940 he had been found

02:06:12.600 guilty and was

02:06:13.160 about to be

02:06:13.620 sentenced to death

02:06:14.300 a second time

02:06:15.200 guys because he

02:06:16.180 knew according to

02:06:16.700 Florida law all

02:06:17.460 he had to do was

02:06:18.420 do it in front of

02:06:19.060 the you know an

02:06:20.320 open court record

02:06:21.180 and just get an

02:06:22.260 acceptance from her

02:06:22.880 that she wanted to

02:06:23.460 get married and

02:06:23.860 bam now they're

02:06:24.480 married according to

02:06:25.040 Florida law.

02:06:25.500 So the guy

02:06:26.260 really gave no

02:06:27.620 fucks.

02:06:28.340 Could you imagine

02:06:28.780 that?

02:06:29.020 Yo let me just

02:06:29.500 propose to my

02:06:30.040 girl that's been

02:06:30.420 holding me down

02:06:30.920 while I'm you know

02:06:31.540 on death row or

02:06:32.380 about to be on

02:06:32.820 death row right

02:06:34.140 in here in open

02:06:34.640 court in front of

02:06:35.220 the jury because I

02:06:35.840 give zero fucks for

02:06:36.660 the trial of a

02:06:37.880 12 year old girl

02:06:38.420 that I killed.

02:06:39.220 Holy.

02:06:43.580 Yeah.

02:06:44.260 Okay.

02:06:44.880 And she believed

02:06:45.680 them till the end.

02:06:47.080 So let's go ahead

02:06:48.720 and round this bad

02:06:50.060 boy out.

02:06:51.500 So after so fast

02:06:53.360 forward a little bit

02:06:53.940 guys gets convicted

02:06:55.720 gets convicted in

02:06:57.620 two different trials

02:06:58.420 the one of the

02:06:59.160 sorority girls the

02:06:59.800 two women they

02:07:00.520 killed in the

02:07:01.120 sorority house and

02:07:02.280 then also of the

02:07:03.120 12 year old

02:07:03.540 Kimberly Leach.

02:07:04.620 So he's at his

02:07:05.720 last days now man

02:07:06.780 he's it's 1989 and

02:07:08.840 he's starting to you

02:07:10.340 know finally feel the

02:07:11.660 pressure of death is

02:07:14.020 coming right because

02:07:15.120 he's going to be

02:07:15.800 electrocuted he's

02:07:16.840 scheduled to be

02:07:17.220 electrocuted January

02:07:18.400 24th 1989.

02:07:20.580 So what does he do

02:07:21.340 beforehand?

02:07:22.080 Let's get into it.

02:07:22.840 Only when facing

02:07:24.400 almost certain

02:07:25.160 execution after 11

02:07:27.300 years on death row

02:07:28.520 did Bundy finally

02:07:30.000 start to confess.

02:07:32.060 He lied to his

02:07:33.260 family about it.

02:07:34.640 His mother and his

02:07:35.800 wife at that time

02:07:36.960 completely thought he

02:07:37.940 was innocent and

02:07:38.760 then in the last

02:07:39.540 really in the last

02:07:41.320 couple days he told

02:07:42.460 them the truth that

02:07:44.080 he had committed

02:07:45.540 these murders.

02:07:47.480 It wasn't a big

02:07:48.880 humanitarian effort

02:07:49.900 but on his part he

02:07:51.300 wanted something out

02:07:52.580 of it and I'm sure

02:07:53.340 it was probably if

02:07:54.660 only took along his

02:07:55.680 life for another few

02:07:57.060 weeks or whatever it

02:07:57.980 was that he was able

02:07:59.160 to manage.

02:08:00.180 Just days before he was to

02:08:13.980 be executed, Ted Bundy

02:08:16.320 began admitting the

02:08:17.400 hideous murders of at

02:08:19.000 least 36 young girls

02:08:20.600 across America.

02:08:24.800 Seven different states.

02:08:26.240 He had dumped many of

02:08:30.640 the bodies in the

02:08:31.620 mountains or in woods

02:08:32.800 and he had often

02:08:34.900 returned to them to

02:08:36.320 commit necrophilia.

02:08:39.380 That is having sex with

02:08:40.520 dead bodies guys,

02:08:41.320 necrophilia.

02:08:42.240 And then on top of

02:08:42.900 that as well that's

02:08:43.660 where these confessions

02:08:44.900 that's how the Ted Bundy

02:08:46.220 tapes came was all of

02:08:48.680 these different

02:08:49.120 confessions that he

02:08:49.820 gave to the murders

02:08:51.800 which even then he had a

02:08:53.680 tough time of confessing

02:08:54.640 to them directly.

02:08:55.980 He had to do it in the

02:08:57.020 third person view and I

02:08:58.280 say that with air quotes

02:08:59.140 if you know what I'm

02:08:59.840 saying.

02:09:00.680 He had sometimes

02:09:01.880 brought the heads

02:09:03.160 home.

02:09:11.120 Ted Bundy was executed

02:09:12.800 by electrocution on the

02:09:14.480 24th of January 1989.

02:09:17.260 But was this killer of

02:09:18.580 innocent young women

02:09:19.380 created by nature or

02:09:21.160 nurture?

02:09:22.700 Now I want to give you

02:09:23.700 guys a little bit of

02:09:24.480 the atmosphere when

02:09:26.380 they were trying to

02:09:27.740 kill him.

02:09:28.500 Actually, you know

02:09:29.000 what, let me give you

02:09:29.640 guys a little bit of

02:09:30.420 play his voice for you

02:09:33.080 guys where he confesses

02:09:34.280 to one of the murders.

02:09:35.020 Just listen to how

02:09:35.900 chilling this is.

02:09:38.540 Take up the road.

02:09:42.700 Take the closing

02:09:43.900 argument.

02:09:45.680 This is him describing

02:09:46.660 a victim that he

02:09:49.340 decapitated and hid in

02:09:51.080 the mountains.

02:09:51.520 Up the road,

02:09:53.320 about 25 to 50

02:09:56.720 yards.

02:09:58.460 He was a monster

02:10:01.600 that everyone

02:10:03.180 feared.

02:10:06.540 Died an actor

02:10:07.520 unconscious.

02:10:09.800 And strangled him.

02:10:10.820 what made him live

02:10:14.040 was to kill.

02:10:16.080 And then, now we're

02:10:17.100 going to fast forward

02:10:17.700 here, guys, to the

02:10:18.600 atmosphere when he was

02:10:19.700 being executed on

02:10:21.380 January 29th, 1989.

02:10:26.280 On January the 23rd,

02:10:27.960 1989, at Florida State

02:10:30.020 Prison.

02:10:30.920 My bad, the 23rd.

02:10:32.200 They executed him on the

02:10:33.000 24th.

02:10:33.500 Sorry about that.

02:10:34.980 1989.

02:10:35.300 Being shut out of one

02:10:36.940 of the biggest death

02:10:37.900 row stories of the

02:10:38.920 decade, the serial

02:10:41.540 killer, Ted Bundy, was

02:10:43.240 about to reveal what

02:10:44.180 had driven him to

02:10:44.960 commit some of the

02:10:45.660 worst sex crimes

02:10:46.800 America had ever

02:10:47.760 seen.

02:10:49.080 In five cases, he

02:10:50.380 took the girls' heads

02:10:51.560 off and kept them as

02:10:52.920 souvenirs.

02:10:54.400 In one case, I

02:10:55.720 believe he bit a

02:10:56.440 nipple off.

02:10:57.800 He was like a

02:10:59.140 shark, just, you

02:11:01.480 know, feeding in a

02:11:02.740 frenzy.

02:11:03.380 He could look

02:11:05.220 into their eyes, he

02:11:06.000 could hear their

02:11:06.460 last breath, and

02:11:07.160 actually breathe

02:11:08.560 their last breath as

02:11:09.660 they exhaled.

02:11:15.160 A journalist

02:11:16.080 competed to get

02:11:16.980 Bundy's final

02:11:17.760 interview.

02:11:18.520 Hold on.

02:11:19.400 I know it's

02:11:20.260 giving you guys,

02:11:21.000 it's giving some

02:11:21.600 quality issues.

02:11:23.340 Surprised everybody

02:11:24.420 by agreeing to

02:11:25.160 talk to one man

02:11:26.140 only.

02:11:26.960 All right, so I

02:11:27.460 want you guys to

02:11:28.000 kind of catch this

02:11:28.760 interview that he

02:11:29.380 did with his

02:11:30.180 lawyer slash legal,

02:11:31.900 well, religious

02:11:33.040 representative, kind

02:11:33.960 of, okay?

02:11:35.480 Dr. James

02:11:36.420 Dobson, a

02:11:37.520 Christian evangelist

02:11:38.500 who flew in

02:11:38.940 especially for the

02:11:39.820 interview.

02:11:41.460 This is one of his

02:11:42.420 only interviews, and

02:11:43.140 see what he blames

02:11:43.800 it on.

02:11:44.080 This is very

02:11:44.360 interesting stuff.

02:11:45.880 You really feel

02:11:47.260 that hardcore

02:11:48.380 pornography and the

02:11:49.420 doorway to it,

02:11:50.320 softcore pornography,

02:11:52.080 is doing untold

02:11:53.500 damage to other

02:11:54.900 people and causing

02:11:56.680 other women to be

02:11:58.880 abused and killed

02:12:00.640 the way you did

02:12:01.660 others.

02:12:01.980 Listen, I'm no

02:12:04.240 social scientist, and

02:12:05.320 I haven't done a

02:12:06.020 survey.

02:12:06.700 I mean, I don't

02:12:07.520 pretend that I know

02:12:08.520 what John Q.

02:12:09.280 Citizen thinks about

02:12:10.260 this.

02:12:12.140 But I've lived in

02:12:13.200 prison for a long

02:12:13.940 time now, and I've

02:12:17.640 met a lot of men

02:12:18.460 who were motivated

02:12:19.540 to commit violence

02:12:20.360 just like me.

02:12:21.840 And without

02:12:22.660 exception, every one

02:12:25.260 of them was deeply

02:12:27.040 involved in pornography

02:12:28.420 without question,

02:12:29.520 deeply influenced and

02:12:32.520 consumed by an

02:12:33.520 addiction to

02:12:34.180 pornography.

02:12:34.900 As Dobson saw it,

02:12:36.080 this interview

02:12:36.660 contained a powerful

02:12:37.640 message, one that

02:12:39.020 was central to the

02:12:39.960 Christian evangelical

02:12:40.960 movement, and which

02:12:42.640 fanned the flames of

02:12:43.620 the debate about the

02:12:44.440 role of hardcore

02:12:45.160 pornography in violent

02:12:46.920 sexual crimes.

02:12:48.500 So they were able to

02:12:49.460 use Ted Bundy kind of

02:12:50.380 as a poster boy for

02:12:51.440 porn is bad, porn is

02:12:52.600 bad, you know, which

02:12:53.580 I agree, porn is

02:12:54.480 stupid, you shouldn't

02:12:55.020 be watching it.

02:12:55.920 But, you know, for

02:12:56.820 them to go ahead and

02:12:57.680 say, yo, this is what

02:12:59.060 led to him being, you

02:13:00.860 know, a very violent

02:13:01.760 serial killer.

02:13:02.500 I mean, it's deflection,

02:13:04.000 you know, let's be

02:13:04.480 honest here.

02:13:04.980 But this was what

02:13:05.960 Bundy did, guys, while

02:13:07.720 he was facing death

02:13:08.440 penalty.

02:13:08.780 He had filed several

02:13:09.620 appeals.

02:13:10.240 He'd been trying to

02:13:10.880 get a stay of his

02:13:12.040 execution.

02:13:13.140 He was confessing to

02:13:14.280 his crimes in an

02:13:15.180 effort to buy himself

02:13:16.820 more time to stay

02:13:17.980 alive.

02:13:18.460 And the thing is, is

02:13:19.160 that, you know, it

02:13:19.840 went up all the way to

02:13:20.480 Supreme Court.

02:13:21.100 They denied it.

02:13:21.980 Appeals kept getting

02:13:22.580 denied.

02:13:23.180 And he was able to do

02:13:24.180 this for the better

02:13:24.760 part of over a decade

02:13:25.740 until they finally

02:13:27.920 executed him later on

02:13:28.800 in 89.

02:13:33.140 The interview was

02:13:34.080 given to every

02:13:34.700 broadcaster in America

02:13:35.800 on one condition, that

02:13:37.620 they play it unedited

02:13:38.700 from start to finish.

02:13:40.380 But had porn really

02:13:42.680 been responsible for

02:13:43.740 turning a seemingly

02:13:44.640 all-American boy into

02:13:46.760 a monster?

02:13:48.860 That's where you can,

02:13:49.780 you know, have the

02:13:50.340 debate.

02:13:51.260 And I'll play another

02:13:51.980 part of this interview

02:13:52.720 as well, just so you

02:13:53.520 guys can kind of get an

02:13:54.240 idea of what kind of

02:13:55.060 guy this was.

02:13:56.040 Once you become

02:13:56.740 addicted to it, and I

02:13:57.680 look at this as a kind

02:13:58.560 of addiction, like other

02:14:00.760 kinds of addiction, of

02:14:02.040 addiction, you keep...

02:14:03.500 And this was filmed the

02:14:04.240 day before he died,

02:14:05.040 guys.

02:14:05.580 Keep looking for more

02:14:07.640 potent, more explicit,

02:14:08.940 more aggressive.

02:14:09.500 of material, like an

02:14:11.760 addiction, you keep

02:14:12.720 craving something which

02:14:13.800 is harder, harder,

02:14:15.480 something which gives

02:14:17.720 you a greater sense

02:14:19.340 of excitement.

02:14:22.120 But had this addiction

02:14:23.200 made him a killer?

02:14:24.780 This controversial

02:14:25.720 interview divided

02:14:26.740 public opinion on the

02:14:27.940 role of pornography

02:14:28.840 in sex crimes.

02:14:30.540 It was an

02:14:31.200 extraordinary meeting

02:14:32.320 between a violent

02:14:33.420 serial killer and a

02:14:34.840 Christian evangelist

02:14:35.880 that had been brought

02:14:37.060 about when God sent a

02:14:38.600 message to a lawyer and

02:14:39.940 his wife.

02:14:41.380 We were watching the

02:14:42.420 evening news, and they

02:14:44.060 showed us a picture of

02:14:45.820 Ted Bundy, and she

02:14:47.820 looked at me and said,

02:14:49.280 John, the Lord...

02:14:53.320 I'm going to fast

02:14:54.020 forward to another part

02:14:54.880 of his interview as

02:14:55.540 well.

02:14:55.660 I just want you guys to

02:14:56.340 kind of get an idea of

02:14:57.240 how the guy speaks and

02:14:59.160 conveys himself.

02:14:59.720 This is obviously towards

02:15:00.560 the end of his life when

02:15:01.260 he's on death row, about

02:15:01.980 to be executed on the

02:15:03.180 electric chair.

02:15:03.680 And, you know, obviously

02:15:06.560 he's trying to do

02:15:07.040 anything he can to kind

02:15:07.840 of save his name at this

02:15:08.660 point and get a little

02:15:09.340 bit of positive news

02:15:12.080 before he goes out.

02:15:13.460 Ted gained a reputation

02:15:14.620 for being a cunning and

02:15:15.800 manipulative interviewee.

02:15:18.080 Dobson was entering the

02:15:19.340 lion's den.

02:15:21.040 With nothing to lose, this

02:15:22.680 final taped interview

02:15:23.840 seemed like the perfect

02:15:24.940 opportunity to really find

02:15:26.440 out what made Bundy the

02:15:27.980 killer tick.

02:15:28.900 First of all, you, as I

02:15:30.440 understand it, were raised

02:15:31.560 in what you consider to

02:15:33.000 have been a healthy

02:15:34.460 home.

02:15:35.380 Absolutely.

02:15:35.520 You were not physically

02:15:36.540 abused.

02:15:37.240 You were not sexually

02:15:38.200 abused.

02:15:38.860 You were not emotionally

02:15:39.680 abused.

02:15:40.260 No.

02:15:40.800 No way.

02:15:41.820 And that's part of the

02:15:43.460 tragedy of this whole

02:15:44.280 situation is because I

02:15:47.880 grew up in a wonderful

02:15:49.300 home with two dedicated

02:15:51.520 and loving parents and

02:15:52.700 one of five brothers and

02:15:54.820 sisters.

02:15:55.780 In the clip, Ted talks

02:15:57.860 about his childhood being

02:15:59.560 loving and Christian.

02:16:00.860 But at the time of his

02:16:02.220 execution, a defense

02:16:04.060 psychologist came up with

02:16:06.540 with a lot of material

02:16:07.800 that suggested otherwise.

02:16:09.980 And we know, guys, that

02:16:11.380 that's Cap.

02:16:11.960 Why?

02:16:13.100 Well, we want to the

02:16:14.040 beginning of the show.

02:16:15.140 We had already shown that

02:16:16.720 he grew up in kind of a

02:16:18.460 disheveled household.

02:16:19.260 His mom was his sister for

02:16:20.500 a while.

02:16:21.180 He didn't really have a

02:16:21.940 strong father figure.

02:16:23.400 His mom got married later

02:16:24.460 on.

02:16:26.040 It was a very unorganized

02:16:28.180 home.

02:16:28.500 He didn't grow up with

02:16:29.100 money, et cetera.

02:16:29.740 He always felt inadequate.

02:16:30.540 That's why when he had his

02:16:31.300 first girlfriend, he

02:16:32.600 couldn't provide a certain

02:16:33.320 lifestyle for him for her.

02:16:34.520 So she left him.

02:16:35.480 And then he ended up, you

02:16:36.340 know, getting into politics,

02:16:37.380 getting his status up in

02:16:38.240 school.

02:16:38.960 She eventually took him

02:16:39.680 back.

02:16:40.040 And then he said, you know,

02:16:40.580 fuck this shit, gave her

02:16:41.580 the big fat yeet.

02:16:42.760 And then next thing you

02:16:43.700 know, he went ahead and

02:16:44.380 committed his first murder

02:16:45.160 on February 1st, 1974,

02:16:47.460 though some of his

02:16:48.740 confessions show that he

02:16:49.620 had actually committed

02:16:50.340 murders prior to that.

02:16:51.300 But his first known confirmed

02:16:52.940 documented kill was February

02:16:54.700 1st, 1974 on Healy.

02:16:59.360 So, you know, this is him

02:17:01.960 kind of lying.

02:17:03.280 You know, let's be honest

02:17:03.860 here.

02:17:04.540 You know, it's his last

02:17:05.280 days.

02:17:05.500 He's trying to leave with a

02:17:07.260 good public face.

02:17:08.080 And that's just kind of what

02:17:09.140 it is.

02:17:09.900 Let's see if we got another

02:17:10.760 clip here from the interview

02:17:11.680 as well.

02:17:12.380 I'll play this.

02:17:13.100 Drop of a young boy fatally

02:17:16.600 corrupted by pornography.

02:17:20.040 Those of us who are or have

02:17:22.600 been so much influenced by

02:17:25.660 violence in the media, in

02:17:28.220 particular, pornographic

02:17:29.960 violence, are not some kind

02:17:32.460 of inherent monsters.

02:17:34.360 We are your sons and we are

02:17:35.800 your husbands.

02:17:37.480 So you're trying to deflect

02:17:38.560 accountability a bit, you

02:17:39.700 know, because obviously you've

02:17:40.540 been convicted of some heinous

02:17:41.560 crimes.

02:17:41.940 And we grew up in regular

02:17:45.060 families and pornography can

02:17:47.200 reach out and snatch a kid

02:17:48.620 out of any house today.

02:17:50.300 He snatched me out of my

02:17:51.640 home.

02:17:51.820 It snatched me out of my home

02:17:53.520 20, 30 years ago.

02:17:56.420 Towards the end of the

02:17:57.300 interview, Ted sort of begins

02:17:59.260 to catch on to what Dobson

02:18:00.880 wants him to say.

02:18:01.900 And you notice that he he

02:18:04.580 issues these dark warnings

02:18:05.840 about all the other the other

02:18:07.920 minds out there that are being

02:18:09.260 polluted by what they see on

02:18:11.180 cable TV.

02:18:11.960 And what he's arguing is, is

02:18:15.340 that the the individual

02:18:17.520 responsibility, you know, to

02:18:19.400 be a citizen, to not be

02:18:21.040 sociopathic, to actually be

02:18:23.120 empathetic and have and have a

02:18:25.620 conscience is is can be

02:18:28.600 undermined by dirty pictures.

02:18:31.240 Yeah.

02:18:31.520 And I agree with that sentiment

02:18:33.000 that, you know, though I do

02:18:34.900 agree that probably there was

02:18:36.420 some influence on pornography

02:18:37.640 on his, you know, fucked up

02:18:40.420 mind for you to completely

02:18:42.180 blame.

02:18:42.640 That is, you know, just that's

02:18:44.400 just ridiculous.

02:18:45.580 And what I want to leave you

02:18:46.340 guys kind of with before is

02:18:48.580 this right here.

02:18:50.640 This.

02:18:52.760 Let me go ahead and.

02:18:53.960 OK, so, Christina, you got

02:18:56.920 anything?

02:18:57.220 What's your thoughts on this

02:18:57.900 case while I pull this last

02:18:59.080 video up?

02:19:02.500 Oh, hold on.

02:19:03.280 Go ahead.

02:19:03.580 There you go.

02:19:04.060 You got it.

02:19:04.620 Yeah.

02:19:04.860 All right.

02:19:05.180 You're on.

02:19:05.460 No, it's just interesting.

02:19:06.180 Like, think about it.

02:19:07.100 Like, back in his day, everybody's

02:19:08.180 so trustworthy.

02:19:09.060 You leave your doors unlocked.

02:19:10.460 Yeah.

02:19:10.660 You get into random cars and

02:19:12.060 then you look at now.

02:19:14.040 It's like, hell no.

02:19:16.040 Yeah, I would never.

02:19:16.840 So, like, I'm not surprised that

02:19:18.900 the guards felt for him.

02:19:19.920 He knew how to, like, play the

02:19:20.820 game.

02:19:21.780 Yeah, no, it's wild.

02:19:23.180 And I want to show you guys

02:19:23.960 this short that I actually

02:19:24.680 posted on my Instagram.

02:19:27.040 I think this is very.

02:19:30.360 Gives you kind of.

02:19:32.620 You know, Ted Bunny's

02:19:33.780 temperament here with the

02:19:35.560 situation.

02:19:36.500 Let me see if I can make this

02:19:37.500 a little bit bigger for y'all.

02:19:46.200 Goddamn shorts.

02:19:48.940 Oh, no, that's not what I want.

02:19:51.020 Hold on.

02:19:54.260 Let me refresh the page.

02:19:55.000 Sorry, guys.

02:19:58.180 Committed, of course, was

02:19:59.540 apparently a little Kimberly

02:20:00.740 Leach, 12 years of age.

02:20:04.020 I think the public.

02:20:05.440 So he's asking him about

02:20:06.480 Kimberly Leach.

02:20:07.180 The cow cry is greater there

02:20:09.720 because an innocent child was

02:20:11.520 taken from a playground.

02:20:13.740 What did you feel after that?

02:20:16.240 What was there?

02:20:17.660 Were there the normal emotions

02:20:19.400 three days later?

02:20:20.640 Where were you, Ted?

02:20:23.220 I...

02:20:23.740 I can't really talk about that

02:20:29.460 right now.

02:20:30.820 That's...

02:20:31.180 See that little bit of smirk

02:20:34.480 that he gave there?

02:20:37.160 It's too painful.

02:20:39.540 I would like to...

02:20:40.700 I'd like to be able to convey

02:20:43.700 to you what that...

02:20:46.700 So you can see he's like...

02:20:49.940 He's smiling a little bit.

02:20:51.220 He's imagining, you know,

02:20:53.680 that day.

02:20:55.300 You can see it in his eye.

02:20:56.340 You can see it in...

02:20:56.980 You know, sometimes the things

02:20:58.880 that aren't said speak the loudest.

02:21:00.440 And you can see it right from

02:21:01.280 his facial expressions, etc.

02:21:02.560 He's bringing them back

02:21:03.740 to that day.

02:21:04.960 And you can see like a...

02:21:06.720 A sinister satisfaction.

02:21:09.160 That experience is like...

02:21:10.400 But I can't...

02:21:11.100 I don't want...

02:21:12.040 I can't be able to talk about that.

02:21:13.640 I can't be able to talk about that.

02:21:19.780 Bam.

02:21:21.280 I mean, that tells you guys

02:21:22.340 everything you need to see

02:21:23.260 right there.

02:21:24.440 So, yeah, man.

02:21:26.060 Pure evil Ted Bundy

02:21:28.540 right there.

02:21:30.180 So, guys.

02:21:31.740 I'm going to make sure

02:21:32.700 I put up the timestamps

02:21:33.540 put this thing back

02:21:34.540 on YouTube for y'all.

02:21:35.620 Hope you guys enjoyed that, man.

02:21:37.360 Don't forget,

02:21:38.000 we're going to be

02:21:38.500 doing a Money Monday tomorrow

02:21:39.880 live on Fresh and Fit

02:21:40.860 with our boy Aaron Clary.

02:21:42.220 It's going to be lit.

02:21:43.180 We're going to talk about

02:21:44.000 getting your finances in order,

02:21:45.140 obviously,

02:21:45.700 towards the end of the year.

02:21:47.100 You know, it's that last quarter.

02:21:49.640 And, yeah.

02:21:50.320 Christina, you got anything

02:21:50.840 for the people?

02:21:52.120 I mean, if you guys have

02:21:52.760 any cases you guys want to do,

02:21:54.080 just contact me on

02:21:55.660 FEDA1811.

02:21:56.800 On Instagram.

02:21:57.680 Yeah, on IG.

02:21:59.180 Yeah, that's it.

02:22:00.140 All right, man.

02:22:01.820 Guys, I hope you enjoyed that, man.

02:22:03.040 I'll put this up on YouTube

02:22:04.160 here in a second.

02:22:05.280 I'm just going to upload it

02:22:06.280 and other than that, man,

02:22:07.660 leave you guys with the outro.

02:22:09.500 Don't forget to like the...

02:22:10.240 Well, well, yeah.

02:22:11.260 Like the video

02:22:11.640 when I post this back up

02:22:12.400 on YouTube.

02:22:12.860 Love y'all.

02:22:13.680 Peace.

02:22:14.000 I was a special agent

02:22:17.880 with Homelands Investigations.

02:22:18.920 Okay, guys?

02:22:19.460 H-S-I.

02:22:20.280 The cases that I did

02:22:21.080 mostly were

02:22:21.680 human smuggling

02:22:22.720 and drug trafficking.

02:22:25.300 No one else has

02:22:26.460 these documents, by the way.

02:22:27.680 Here's what FEDA covers.

02:22:29.380 Dr. Lafredo confirmed

02:22:30.960 last...

02:22:31.460 Go for it.

02:22:32.580 So,

02:22:33.360 get out.

02:22:33.460 Hold on to.

02:22:33.620 Whoa.

02:22:34.240 Keep in mind,

02:22:35.700 choose to.

02:22:35.940 I stop

02:22:37.380 doing...

02:22:37.580 Good evening.

02:22:38.420 Let's do that.

02:22:39.240 Do you want me to talk

02:22:39.580 about a guy?

02:22:39.640 Why do you want me to talk

02:22:40.620 about a guy?

02:22:41.360 That's smart.

02:22:41.940 And now,

02:22:42.760 I tend to

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - November 01, 2022

Fed Reacts To Infamous Serial Killer Ted Bundy! 30+ Murders, Prison Escapes, Trials & Execution

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