Fed Reacts To Undercover Cop & Doctor Testify In YNW Melly Trial!
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5 hours and 11 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of FedReact, we react to the first day of testimony in the Melley trial. The defense is cross-examining a Bexar County Sheriff's Detective who is a narcotics and gang detective.
Transcript
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And we are live. What's up? Sorry, guys, I still haven't slept yet. We're live. What's up? Welcome to FedReacts. As you guys know, the Mellie trial is underway live right now. So what I'm going to do without further ado is start pulling it up on screen and we're going to start reacting to it just to give you guys an update of what the hell is going on here.
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Right now, the defense is cross examining. OK, the prosecution's witness, who is a undercover Bexar County sheriff's deputy that does narcotics and gang investigations, narcotics, firearms and gang investigations.
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There was a little bit of controversy because he wore a mask, if I'm not mistaken, on the first day that he testified. But now I believe he's unmasked.
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But what's going on now is they just they're just not showing his face. So, yeah, you know, rare situation on FedReacts.
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You guys know I normally don't do live streams in the middle of the day or in the morning like this. But obviously it's a trial. Let's go ahead and react to this thing live. Let's get into it.
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The shit I did, that also means for the hands I killed for 30 a.m. Never say when.
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No regrets for the shit I did, that also means for the niggas I have.
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Well, actually, he doesn't say the word kill. He uses a gesture for that.
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No regrets for the shit I did, that also means for the niggas I have.
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No regrets for the shit I did, that also means for the niggas I have.
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Except for leaving out killed and getting something.
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Yesterday, Ms. Bradley said, did you hear them say both of them yesterday when she said that?
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So you didn't help her decipher that before, did you?
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It's identical, except for the gesture in place of the word kid.
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okay so you're telling us you didn't assist the state in coming up with the conclusion that it
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says both of them no sir okay all right all right we were also speaking yesterday about
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the fact that malley was largely unresponsive to many of the overtures that were being made
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the attempts to recruit him right i think he was already recruited but the like yeah what you're
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saying is he wasn't responding to the people who were messaging him okay and i had gone through a
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list of or a demonstration of several messages that were not being responded to right right
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and i think i asked you later all right for some of you guys that just joined uh that might be
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confused what the hell's going on here with the screen screen what's basically going on guys is
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the um there was a witness for the state right and i'm sorry for those of you that already heard
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this but as people keep piling in i'm gonna you know keep repeating it just so people kind of know
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what the hell's going on here as you guys know the state produced a witness who is a bear county
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sheriff's office undercover detective that participates in narcotics gang and firearms investigations the
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first day he testified he basically um had a mask on right for fear of his family i think now the mask
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is off but they're not showing his face he's been testifying uh as a subject matter expert or as
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sme and gang culture and in this particular instance the g shine bloods okay now you guys are probably
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wondering why the hell is this relevant myron the reason why this is relevant guys is because um and
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i'll pull this up on the screen here they still got this weird green screen here i'll keep letting it
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play right while i have it muted so i can explain you guys what's going on here the reason why this is
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relevant guys is because the state of florida is trying to seek the death penalty against melly
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and one of the main circumstances that needs to be proven for them to get the death penalty
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successfully is they need to establish that he is in fact a gang member which is why the state's been
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wait i don't want to say wasting so much time this is why the state's been expending quite a bit of time
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and resources to prove uh to prove this okay because they know that if they're not able to
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prove him as a gang member they will not be able to pursue the death penalty according to florida law
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so they have this um sheriff's deputy who's well versed in the g shine set in particular of the bloods
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to testify and they're breaking down text messages um and conversation between melly and other known gang
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members and their affiliates they're citing uh vernacular using text messages slang hierarchies um
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drug trafficking firearms etc they're going over all of this so the prosecution had their um witness on
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direct and when you're on direct it means you are being questioned by the side that brought you on so
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in this case the prosecution brought him on they're asking him questions that's direct what you guys are
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about to hear now is cross-examination which is when the opposing side now just as the name
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infers examines you from a cross standpoint they're basically asking you questions and grilling you and
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trying to essentially break down your credibility catch you in lies make you look foolish so that they
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tarnish your credibility on the stand that's what cross-examination is for your job is to tarnish
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the credibility of the opposing side's witness that they bring on and that's what you guys are about
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to hear here with the defense attorney uh questioning this detective okay and my estimate is he's going to
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do things to show that melly isn't actually a part of the gang i know there was some discussion yesterday
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where melly had basically um one of the top guys of this set g shine bloods or the bloods in general
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had wanted to get a hold of melly maybe for some type of recruitment purposes etc uh but he did not
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respond but the the sheriff's deputy has been responding pretty much saying well look melly
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hasn't really got pressed like other fake bloods in the south florida area and he actually mentioned
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the island boys here uh for false flagging right and he said that melly isn't getting pressed for
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false flagging which means that he is in fact a member of the gang and in good standing so let's go
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back to the uh footage here i think that gives you guys a pretty nice and succinct summary of what's
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transpired so far as law as as as pertains to this witness right but now you guys understand the
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importance of why they're trying to establish melly's gang ties it's critical to them being able to get
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the death penalty all right cool let's get back to it we're going to unmute this it looks like they're
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that's it green and him see that yes sir and that's on 10 6 yeah so that would be a pretty
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important meeting because the godfather wants to sit down right yeah okay and that's on 10 6 at 12 0 5
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10 6 at 12 0 5 he reiterated he reiterates me you him and jay green yes no response
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yeah so the next day 10 7 4 40 last when you free
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no response that whole day goes by next day 10 8 12 43 40
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to stay in tune is to communicate bro if you feel like it's too much too much i think what it's
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meant to say for you can line up your picture sorry let me go from the top if you guys have
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questions go ahead and super chat them in i'll be answering questions when there's breaks and stuff
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like that so get your super chats in if you guys got questions shout out to lj m bd5 don't worry i'll
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answer this question just to go on but i want to make sure we get as many people in here before i do
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that so people can get value from it i guess and that was on 10 eight four days later 10 17
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speak your mind like a man don't have a fool guessing so gino is not getting frustrated with
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this lack of response you're going to bring it back i agree it also like that first message you
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read it kind of seems like we're missing some context of conversations that might not be in these
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threads i'm just because some of this stuff doesn't make sense the way it's almost like a continuation
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of a conversation that already happened it might seem that way but you are the way to tell
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right so the word you're looking for is you're speculating sure okay all right so
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just so you guys know this gino guy is a blood gang member slash affiliate who's kind of a cloud
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chaser he asked meli a few times to like post them so you know he can get some clouds he's also a
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wannabe rapper so the defense attorney is trying to use this to illustrate that meli isn't responding
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to this guy uh you know to kind of again his job the defense attorney's job here is to distance meli
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from the gang as much as he can because he understands meli's life literally hangs in the
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balance on this uh situation i think they're we're missing some conversations that were had
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not via text message because and you can speculate all day long yeah i think it's common sense okay
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do you have any proof of any of the things that you were speculating to have occurred sir
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we have the phone extraction if i go through call logs there might be something there
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gina responds on the same day hit me when you're free got to get another one
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he texts him again there's no response to the oath right
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and he texts him that's the oath me and you need to come up with a hand
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yes so he's a gang member and he's in he doesn't have a handle yet and he's just now seen the oath
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this would just be a second time presenting him the oath
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there's no response to anything going on on page 32
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we don't know that according to these text messages
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and you got to be able to kind of read through it
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I'm being reminded, the mic's right behind me, stop mumbling.
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Yo, I don't mean to keep hitting you up, bro, but what time do you want me mome up there?
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And we had seen that 210 a.m. is when he starts asking, he asked him to bark at him at 2.7.
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And now at 1230 p.m., he's saying, yo, I don't mean to keep hitting you up, bro, but what time do you want me to bomb up there?
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Then about three hours later, at 3.33 p.m., yo, bro.
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bro. Uh, you, bro, I get down there around eight or nine where you want to
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link it. See that? Okay. So you found out some kind of way where it is. Exactly
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what I was saying before. They're communicating outside. No, no. Well,
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there you are speculating that they're communicating. If somebody is having a
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show, would Melody be the only person on planet Earth that knows where the show
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is? No. Okay. So when you say that they're communicating, that's where the
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speculation is. When there's a photograph of them together, that means they linked
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up. So they must have communicated. I know, but we're not talking about that.
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We're talking about him finding out where the venue is. That's what we're
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talking about. So yeah, he could have found the venue out any which way, but at
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some point they had to have communicated for them to get together and take
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see what the defense attorney did there. He's subtly trying, uh, you know, hurt the
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credibility of the detective. Like, look, they're not responding to each other, but
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the detective kind of sharp. He's like, but they took a picture later that night. So
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clearly they linked up, even though he didn't respond to him over text messages,
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they could have used some other apps to communicate. So smart, smart of the detective
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there, you know, her. If so, uh, brave yourself. What does it say? What does that
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That's the lead. Fuck with. He's asking me to be fucked with Percocets, Percocets.
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Okay. Percocets, Herc. If so, I, uh, brave you something. Bring something.
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Answer. I don't do no drugs, Herc. What does he say right after that?
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Bring something though, my Crips too. His who? Crips. Not his bloods.
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He can't, he's not even supposed to use a C there, right? Right. Okay. And not
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only does he use the C, he refers to his buddies as his Crips. Did that happen?
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Here we go. That defense 30 is earning his money today. But of course, what is he trying
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to do? He's trying to establish Melly isn't a part of the gang guys. Okay. And I see what
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he's doing here. Again, plausible deniability for why he could say that, right? There's
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a lot of bloods that are cool with Crips. It's not uncommon, but you know, the defense
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attorney is trying to illustrate, look, Melly's cool with Crips. That means he's not a part
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of the bloods. Which to an impressionable jury that isn't familiar with gang culture, they
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might not know that. So the detective needs to be smart here and be able to illustrate
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that bloods and Crips do hang out depending on the sets, not the overall overarching umbrella
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But that was a clever tactic by this defense attorney like God damn video. You're going
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to get a breakdown like this anywhere else. I'm fucking YouTube. God damn it.
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We got about 900 y'all in here. Like the video, like I said before, we just need one more
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hundred viewers. And what I'm going to do is give y'all a recap of what the hell is going
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on here. Guys, I'm not up early. I just haven't slept. So, hey, man, the grind never stops for
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you guys, bro. Love y'all because everybody is professing to be of higher rank than the
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other. Herc is professing to be of higher rank than Gina, right? Or no.
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He said he had Gino bend the rules. Okay. So actually, he's not, I'm going to strike
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that. I was wrong about it. He actually petitioned Gino to bend the rules on behalf of Mel, right?
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I'm going to be totally honest with you, bro. I have Gino kind of bend the rules for you
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because I happen to be a huge fan of your music. But Gino is going to fall back for you
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and I will deal with you until I feel like you're ready for Gino's crisis, right?
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So Herc is saying, look, I'm going to handle you and kind of bring you along because
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Okay. Is Gino the same guy that he was ignoring time and time and time again?
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Okay. And the godfather who was waiting for him for a meeting is over Gino and Herc, right?
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When he feels like you're ready, then you will be granted total access and acceptance. Until
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then, the godfather will never acknowledge you. So he's not even acknowledged by the godfather.
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Right. Okay. We still don't know. We still don't know you. But we see that you love the
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hood. Okay. He's saying, we see you love blood, but we don't even know you, bro. Right? Okay. So we
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accept you with open arms. You got to always communicate, bro.
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You family now. It's one of the 23 rules. I'm responsible for you. So we got to make sure
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everything is on point. And you got to work on your lingo. We will talk more when we push
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And then if you guys can see there, basically Melly responded, Hey guys, I've been busy.
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I'm doing radio runs, et cetera. So this is really good on the defense attorney showing
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that Melly isn't a full fledged gang member, but I'll talk about this in a little bit. That's
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not really relevant for gang cases, but I'll explain why.
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Okay. But this is good because he's doing this in front of a jury, you know?
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It's 2018 at 1242 30. And the question is, yo, is this true? Right?
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And Kirk is asking Melly if it's true what he's seeing on social media, what we saw was a post
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about Anthony Williams and Christopher Thomas being killed.
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And then at 1026, 55, 57, 10. Damn, bro. I'm sorry for your loss. I know shit hard for
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you right now, but keep your head up. Yo, keep your head up. You, I wish I could have been
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there to guide you. If it's anything you need, bro, let me know. Don't hesitate to bark at
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And remember guys, because at this point, they think that Melly was a victim of a drive-by
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shooting. That's why they're reaching out the way that they did.
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That you didn't see that as condolences. What you're saying is he was saying, I hope
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I was hoping I would be there to guide you in killing people. That's how you interpret
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Yeah. I'm going to speculate again. Or do you want me to just give you my professional opinion?
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Well, because based off the way he gains robbery, I can tell you why this makes sense.
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Ah. When you, how are you distinguishing your speculation from your professional opinion?
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You're the one distinguishing it, sir. Pardon me? You're the one distinguishing it. I'm trying
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to get it out. So your, your professional opinion is your speculation? My expert opinion
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about gang testimony, about gang knowledge is what I can testify to. And that's only as
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good as this expertise that you profess to have. Okay. Okay. Okay. But your interpretation
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of that communication was that he's saying, I wish I was there to guide you on how to do
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this. Right? Right. Because my grandfather died. No one called me and said, I wish I could
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have guided you. He said, I send my condolences. I hope you, I hope you're okay. This is, I
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Hasn't Hurt been trying to guide him the whole time in growing up, being a man, being a brother?
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All right. What, what you guys are witnessing right now is really good fucking cross-examination
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content. So I need you guys to really pay attention to what the hell is going on here.
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I'm pausing it because I really want to let y'all know this is fantastic cross-examination
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by the defense attorney, but the detective is also doing a really good job standing his
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ground and articulating why he believes that the guide you phrase was more along the lines
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of could have guided you in a better way to kill your friends. And the defense attorney
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is saying, well, wasn't he saying that he needs to guide me this entire situation? So
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that's kind of a moot point. So this is really good cross-examination by, uh, by the defense
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attorney and good response by the detective. Please listen up. This is good proper cross-examination
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Your professional opinion on the anecdotal example of how-
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Guys, for those of you that are just joining, wondering why the hell is his head not showing?
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Okay. You know what? We got a thousand live viewers. So you know what? Let's go ahead.
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This is what's going on. We have a Bexar County Sheriff's Office detective that does
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does undercover operations for gang narcotics and firearms investigations testifying. The first
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thing he testified, which I think was at the end of last week, he wore a mask because they pretty
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much had green linen for about $50,000, right? So normally you don't wear a mask in court. I mean,
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I'll keep it a thousand with y'all. I rarely have even seen this. I've heard of it done in federal
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courtrooms and stuff, but it's not common. So now he's testifying without his mask on. However,
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they're not showing him on camera. Okay. So the reason why the camera angle is like that is to
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hide the identity of this deputy. He's been, who's been greenlit because of his undercover work.
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Okay. He's testifying right now as a subject matter expert on the bloods gang, namely the G
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shine set bloods that Melly is allegedly a member of. He's being cross-examined by the defense
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council on testimony that he gave on direct from the prosecutor. This guy's a prosecution's
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witness, obviously, because he's law enforcement officer. So he's been testifying about Melly's
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involvement with the blood gang. Why is this important? The reason why this is important
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is because the state is pursuing the death penalty and a pivotal and crucial component of them being
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able to get the death penalty is them being able to establish that Melly is in fact a gang member with
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the G shine bloods. So this subject matter expert is trying to show and articulate that Melly was in
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fact a member of this gang and they're showing communication between Melly and members of the
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gang. And the defense council is trying to articulate that Melly was never really a member of the gang.
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He's not even responding to these guys. Um, they're not even like the text messages before,
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Hey, you can't meet the grandfather yet. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So defense, you know,
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is doing what they do. They're trying to create doubt that Melly as a gang member,
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while the detective is alleging that he is. So now we are where we're at right now where I paused
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the video. And this is fantastic cross-examination because now the defense attorney is going to
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challenge the detective on a lot of the statements he made the day prior about Melly being a gang
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member fucking down. You're only going to get a better explanation than that of what the fuck is
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going on here. So, uh, 1000 y'all in here, like the video best breakdown on this case on the internet
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because nobody can break this down to this degree on YouTube. Why? Because I've actually done gang
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investigations. Also, I want to give you guys this special note as well. A person does not have
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to be proven to be a verified member of a gang to be charged as if he's a member of the gang. Okay.
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Hold on one more time. A gang member guys does not need to be identified as a verified full-fledged
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member of the gang to be charged as a gang member. I'll give you an example of this. As you guys
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remember, back in 2018, a guy named Daniel Hernandez, AKA Takashi 6ix9ine was charged in a federal
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racketeering investigation as being a member of the Nine Trey Bloods. Well, we know that 6ix9ine,
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after the fact, was never actually a full-fledged gang member. He was merely an associate
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that supported, financed, and had the gang around him for protection purposes. The government don't
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give a fuck about none of that, though. It doesn't matter if you're beat in, you're jumped into the
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gang, or you're flagging, or you're not, false flagged, it don't matter. As long as the government
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can prove that you are committing criminal activity and or committing acts in furtherance of the gang
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nine out of ten times, that is enough to suffice to charge you under any type of gang statutes,
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whether it's racketeering, which is the highest threshold, or something like this, where they're
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trying to establish that you're a gang member so they could push for the death penalty. I think
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regardless of whether they're able to establish that he's a verified member or not, it doesn't
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matter because there's a bunch of evidence out there showing that he's at least an associate,
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and more than likely that will be enough to trigger the death penalty portion of this trial,
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should Mellie be found guilty, okay? So let's keep going. Pay attention, guys. It's a great
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cross-examination, by the way. Like the goddamn video for that recap.
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What somebody said to you when your grandfather died?
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All right. Let's look at page 83. We're panning out.
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A whole bunch of texts from her that weren't responded to, right?
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Vett, just checking up on you, and SL, what does SL mean?
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So all I know is say 100%. And then we have on 11-4, and this again is now after the incident
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now, right? 11-4 is after the incident issue in this case, right?
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Okay. Good show, Herc. You have me turn. Be safe on the road to fool.
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Then, four days later, yo, bro, hit me when he's free. Got to give you some food.
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Are you suggesting that it's him saying, I got to give you some, somebody to kill?
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And then at 11-37, same day, send me, bro, IG, and I'm sending food now. Make sure you check
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More or less, east side, banging blood. I be the true and living. Stand on ground with
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devotion, outstanding. A loyalty for cause. Ola, repping the shine family. Cause real riders
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don't sweat. Therefore, it's platinum, gold, gold, platinum. Double O-1, G's up. Even when
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my mind, body, and soul depart. Forever expanding the mind. Height line. Black.
00:54:38.180
Yes, that would be the food he was referring to, the knowledge.
00:54:41.600
Okay. So the, the knowledge that he is sending him is this word salad right here, right?
00:54:55.060
And then it said, I've got a new scrap I want to show you.
00:54:57.580
And then page 84. It's, uh, bus at me when you're free.
00:55:13.480
Uh, 11-11 at 12-33. And then 11-17. I'm sorry. 11-13 at 11-17. Two days later. Add me back,
00:55:31.920
you ugly ass. What do you, do you interpret that?
00:55:40.260
Yeah. It sounds like he didn't, uh, accept his friend request.
00:55:59.880
The reason why the defense attorney is showing this stuff is to show that, look,
00:56:04.440
Melly's not even really a part of the gang. Like, look, he's not acknowledging these guys.
00:56:08.140
He's not responding. He's not accepting their friend requests, et cetera, et cetera.
00:56:14.980
He says at the top, hit me B-S-A-P. That's A-S-A-P, right?
00:56:25.040
And he sends that at 8-20 on 11-18. At 8-20, he gets a return.
00:56:34.440
So you gave him an A-S-A-P or B-S-A-P response.
00:57:03.940
It's just how they incorporate the signs and symbols into their writing.
00:58:53.100
At 1125 at 1210, he responds, everything 05, they're on the road.
00:59:12.080
Shine right, shine bright, shine bright, shine love, bro.
00:59:24.020
And then three days later at 1030, or sorry, 1003, boy, I see ugly ass on TV represented.
00:59:36.760
And then two days later at 1050, 57, Y001, rise up, Herb.
00:59:46.760
And then on 12-5, just now five days later, 12-0-2.
01:00:06.820
That's one of the 31 rules of an and rarely care about you, bro.
01:00:13.440
Because that fake rocking, we don't roll like that, bro.
01:00:18.100
Knowing this five does, we straight up with each other because we're going to die by this
01:00:40.880
So, we don't know what calls were or were not made, but we know, at least on this occasion,
01:00:46.640
the communication was sufficiently lacking for him to be like, bro, are we beeping?
01:00:52.420
So, again, defense attorney is doing a good job here of trying to establish that Millie
01:00:57.220
doesn't even talk to these people, so how can he actually be a part of the gang?
01:00:59.780
And for a jury, this is very powerful because they might not necessarily know the ins and
01:01:08.280
outs of gang culture unless the subject matter expert explains it, who's on the stand right
01:01:14.280
Looks like it's meant to say, bro, did you really just say we beeping?
01:01:26.620
And his response is from her, of course, you're not beeping, bro, but you got to do better
01:01:54.840
And he says, flight to flight, don't even see my mama, don't even see my mama text on God.
01:02:07.720
So he's saying that on my phone, I don't even see my mom's text coming, let alone yours.
01:02:23.820
And I smell that, bro, but this GSF shit is a real, real, real, or are real?
01:02:37.900
We're doing the double R because double R stands for real right.
01:02:41.540
It's just more like when they put the double O1 inside the blood.
01:02:48.300
And I smell that, bro, but this GSF shit is a real right, mom.
01:02:52.800
Regardless of how busy you are, how busy we all get, we always got to make sure we find
01:03:00.180
time to check up on the bros, even trouble trouble.
01:03:18.180
You say your brothers, you say you brothers, but you be showing us different.
01:03:45.840
Again, like I said before, all right, so the sidebar is going on right now.
01:03:48.880
So we got a little bit of time for some of you guys that are unaware, a sidebar is basically
01:03:54.560
when the lawyers from both opposing sides, the defense and the prosecution get together
01:04:01.300
and have a discussion, whether it's on legality situation, evidence, procedure, whatever it may
01:04:09.860
be, they kind of go there and mediate it out with the judge.
01:04:13.280
They go to the judge's thing and they talk and then they go back and, you know, they kind
01:04:19.360
of get on the same page and continue to argue their points in court.
01:04:28.220
I think Dr. Tolkien, who's dead, sees a restroom break.
01:04:33.220
She is not in the courthouse and they were saying that she was in a garage.
01:04:40.220
Let me know, I don't know exactly when we're going to get to her and talk about the photographs.
01:04:58.220
i'll explain what's going on here in a second for you guys
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and you guys are probably wondering why the fuck is this shit so weird or whatever
01:05:16.040
randomly putting the camera up and stuff this is a live trial guys so uh they have to you know
01:05:21.640
obviously be cognizant of certain things but it looks to me yeah court is a short recess all right
01:05:27.060
what i predicted all right so basically it looks to me that the undercover sheriff's deputy is now
01:05:34.440
done testifying he's been testifying for multiple days now guys about melly's involvement in the
01:05:41.520
gang uh obviously the state is trying to let's say he is a member of the gang the defense is trying to
01:05:46.120
say he's not um the prosecution showed text messages saying that now he's using gang vernacular he's
01:05:52.400
communicating with these guys they show pictures of him throwing bees and all this other stuff
01:05:56.820
and then the defense showed other instances where melly wasn't necessarily responding using
01:06:01.840
case in his communication uh not necessarily being um uh the gang not acknowledging to the same level
01:06:10.040
you can't be around the godfather we don't know you like that but we got love for you so
01:06:14.120
it's the defense is doing a good job right now of trying to create reasonable doubt that melly might
01:06:23.260
not necessarily be a full-fledged member of this gang again i discussed this a second ago that might
01:06:28.980
not necessarily matter because we've seen so many cases where individuals that weren't necessarily
01:06:33.600
full-fledged gang members still got charged under racketeering laws um even though they were just
01:06:39.360
associates and obviously the threshold of being federally prosecuted for racketeering is way higher
01:06:46.080
than that of being proven as a gang member in a state trial okay uh because obviously in that
01:06:52.300
situation they got approved beyond a reasonable doubt that he's all that he's guilty committing
01:06:56.340
acts and furtherance of a gang so we'll see what happens the state system is completely different
01:07:01.880
uh the jury might not necessarily i don't even know if they even get to weigh in on this but i think it
01:07:07.700
will be a component when they're deliberating because obviously that's going to be a crucial component
01:07:11.680
and whether the state of florida can pursue the death penalty that's why they spent so much time
01:07:17.220
with this detective trying to establish that melly is a gang member so all right let's go ahead and get
01:07:21.700
into the chats guys so if you guys got any questions shoot them now because uh while the court is in
01:07:24.880
recess i'm going to read these shots and answer questions uh we got here ljmbd5 goes morning
01:07:30.180
wiring gains i need advice i'm 29 year old married truck driver i'm deciding if i should become law uh
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a law enforcement uh officer in camden new jersey trucking is good money but long hours with no benefits well
01:07:45.380
my friend this is where you got to kind of have to choose what you want to do here as far as um
01:07:51.160
what you're going to enjoy more so you're going to make six figures as a law enforcement officer in
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new jersey and you're also going to make six figures as a truck driver it really comes down
01:08:02.100
more to what you want to do what you enjoy what your passion is so i would say in those two career
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fields don't be a cop unless you actually want to do it don't be a cop unless you actually want to do
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it now they're going to give their insight with the court crime tv uh let's go ahead and see what
01:08:17.360
they got to say real quick trial here on long crime today is day nine of that trial against
01:08:21.480
jamel demmons he faces two counts of first degree murder and the shooting deaths of his two friends
01:08:25.880
we want to jump back into that broward county courtroom we're listening to the cross-examination
01:08:30.120
of undercover detective danny polo about the connection between the defense but just to finish
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off you don't want to become a cop unless you really want to do it bro it's not an easy job
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150 45 all right we went over this so let me go back to the chats here so um one second
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her when you dictate things trust me life is better she's gonna she's gonna feel better be less bitchy
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able to live life on your terms if you want to fuck a bunch of bitches cool i'll equip you with a tool set
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if you want to have just one girl and have her submit to you and be a dutiful girlfriend well
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guess what being able to attract women is going to keep her in that frame because women only give
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you their submission and loyalty when they know that you can replace them easily that is a very
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important thing that for some odd reason isn't broadcasted out in the mainstream media or dating
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circles in general like we're over here telling women that they're equal to men and it's a partnership
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and all this other bs it's cap man women will never be equal to men they don't want to be equal
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to men and you shouldn't treat them as equals because they will punish you for treating them
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like an equal let's get back to it that the defense is making here what do you think the prosecution
01:13:02.080
is going to do when they go on redirect i feel like they have to rehabilitate this witness a little
01:13:06.560
bit they have to rehabilitate him and they also have to you know really get in here that he what is
01:13:12.760
rehabilitating a witness rehabilitating a witness guys is after they go through a cross-examination
01:13:17.020
where they get beat up a little bit it's the the person who brought that witness in the first place
01:13:23.380
so in this case it's a prosecution witness so they're going to go in there they're going to go ahead
01:13:27.180
and clarify some of the things that might have looked a little offer iffy when the defense was
01:13:33.260
cross-examining him okay so what they might say is is it not true that you know a gang member can
01:13:41.380
mess up and use a k in one instance and and not have meant to do that when they were supposed to
01:13:45.620
be used as a use a c excuse me when they not should not have done that yes it is possible blah blah blah
01:13:50.940
so they're going to go ahead and try to um re-establish more credibility from their witness that
01:13:57.240
might have lost a little bit of credibility on the stand which is inevitable when you're on the stand
01:14:00.440
especially as long as this guy was you're going to lose a little bit of credibility on a cross
01:14:03.860
because you said so much and the defense can go ahead and hone in a little points that you made
01:14:08.100
during hours of testimony to make you look crazy that's their job now it's the prosecutor's job
01:14:12.540
to bring back that credibility and show that the defense was merely trying to pick at certain things
01:14:18.500
and um deflect and kind of put smoke and mirrors to the jury so we're going to see how good this
01:14:24.300
prosecutor is we're rehabilitating their witness but that's what rehabilitating a witness means guys
01:14:31.800
god damn all right let's keep going he's got a lot of experience with this that he wasn't biased when
01:14:40.160
he came up here that he reviewed with no sleep too did all this and it goes to show that this was
01:14:45.220
gang related he was part of a gang i think it's telling y'all guys i'll do this shit in my sleep
01:14:49.600
man half awake still giving y'all this fire why because i used to do this i've done gang investigations
01:14:55.440
i've arrested people that are bloods crips latin kings i know this shit okay so this is right up
01:15:03.740
my alley so i'm really excited and happy to share this information with y'all um so yeah anyway let's
01:15:09.720
keep going it's going to be tough though because some of the uh text messages that we're seeing
01:15:14.400
they're they're it's condolence it's like i heard about what you're going through you're hurting
01:15:18.540
i've been through it so it really is going to be a hard uh hurdle to overcome for the prosecution
01:15:23.940
i can't help but think what the defense says and i don't want this just to be in a show where
01:15:27.780
we're attacking the prosecution but i do want to think about what well that is that is what y'all
01:15:33.540
been doing the whole trial the law and crime network has been very favorable to melly saying
01:15:38.380
that he's innocent or they don't even have evidence blah blah blah stupid uh yeah yeah we'll see
01:15:44.220
defense said is that this was a box the next witness that's going to come up by the way if i'm
01:15:48.420
not mistaken because the judge i don't know if y'all caught it he asked is the doctor here
01:15:52.440
if it's who i think it is he means the medical examiner that medical examiner is going to blow
01:15:59.240
this case wide open guys because the medical examiner is going to testify that not only were
01:16:06.040
the victims dead when the drive-by shooting allegedly occurred because they were able to figure out
01:16:11.160
that they were shot they the fatal shots killed them blood stopped pumping because the heart obviously
01:16:16.960
stopped and then they were shot after the fact in the stage drive-by shooting and they didn't bleed
01:16:22.000
with the same uh they didn't bleed as profusely when they got shot at the fact because they were
01:16:28.060
already dead and then the the he's gonna the medical examiner is also going to testify to the direction
01:16:32.800
of the bullets the fatal wounds all that stuff so that's what's gonna kind of destroy
01:16:38.200
melly's co-defendant portland's story that they had been attacked in a drive-by shooting and melly
01:16:45.660
actually said that they got attacked in a drive-by shooting in indirectly in his documentary that he
01:16:51.240
released in 2018 which actually self-sniffs on himself because in that documentary he said
01:16:56.520
melly and his friends were targets of a drive-by shooting well why is that important that puts melly
01:17:03.340
at the scene which is what he's been trying to avoid so his own documentary fucked him up because he
01:17:10.080
proved that he had been at the scene and they were victims of a drive-by shooting which the examiner
01:17:15.280
is going to be able to prove with wound patterns stipeling uh uh the victims already being dead when
01:17:23.360
they were shot on the second round of shots all of this is going to be shown when the medical examiner
01:17:28.180
comes in who i think is more than likely up next to testify so uh yeah you know it is what it is let's
01:17:35.160
keep going see that what these guys i think over here at law and crime network investigate some of
01:17:39.620
them are dead wrong i ain't gonna lie there was immediately targeting uh their client because
01:17:44.940
he's famous and now i'm listening and thinking about the prosecution's case and i'm wondering was
01:17:48.980
it a mistake to call this witness they could have i'm imagine called a different expert in in gang
01:17:55.720
culture he was already controversial with the mask do you think that this was a bad road for them to go
01:18:00.440
down uh they making more losses here because it seems like this witness is now uh not doing so
01:18:05.660
under cross well i think it needed somebody that had some experience in dealing with these types of
01:18:11.580
um criminal enterprises to be able to um explain to the jury what these words meant i mean i you know
01:18:19.900
um the jury's still going to be able to look at these communications and reach their own conclusions
01:18:24.560
so i i in in that sense um they didn't have someone on the inside that could actually link
01:18:31.000
the defendant to the gang to the criminal act that's true and that's where you usually get in
01:18:36.600
these kinds of cases but they didn't have that so now they had to sort of circumstantially
01:18:41.080
create that link and i think that that's what they did right now it's it's almost like they're
01:18:46.200
taking this language they're taking these messages they're taking these videos and translating it
01:18:51.020
like it's rosetta stone for everybody to understand what the significance of it is um janina tamian i
01:18:56.120
know we got to sign you off thank you so much for taking the time really do appreciate it bob hill
01:19:00.420
is going to stay with me uh we have a lot more for you here on long crime we'll be right back right
01:19:14.700
name of uh robert county nitrate gangster blood member okay i'm robinson but he's not saying he's
01:19:24.160
booban hurt no he's a nitrate gangster blood okay okay it looks like they're still on uh cross here
01:19:31.320
because the person he's talking to on page 115 says oh i thought you said he was hurt
01:19:40.620
right at least whoever goon is thought he was saying booban is hurt yeah okay
01:19:49.840
defense is probably going to wrap up their cross here very soon and then they're going to go and
01:20:00.680
redirect and then probably bring in an ex-witness
01:20:02.540
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you know what we are there thank you very much thank you sir you want me to leave this up here
01:20:48.060
sure okay thank you counselor is there any redirect yes sir you're ready to make your speech thank you
01:20:55.660
detective fuller do you make your determination as to whether or not someone is a gang member
01:21:00.640
okay it looks like we're about to go into redirect so that woman that's speaking is the prosecutor
01:21:04.920
guys multitude of factors and i like it her job now is to rehabilitate the witness which we just
01:21:11.900
just discussed bring back some of that credibility that might have been lost on cross-examination
01:21:16.440
we had uh limited information i don't want to come to court with that determination
01:21:21.480
and it turns out is mr williams on trial today he's in contact
01:21:26.000
okay and when a person becomes a member of a gang
01:21:37.420
depending on circumstances depends on the person
01:21:40.760
sometimes they're allowed to be put on the shelf you know stay out or not be an active member
01:21:47.760
okay so you mentioned put on the shelf that's a term you haven't used before what does that mean
01:21:51.900
just a term to say that the person is not actively involved in the current nugget error in the
01:21:59.080
gangs activity it's not necessarily just a criminal portion of it but the gang activities it might not be
01:22:07.020
okay you also used the term meal ticket is that something that has a particular
01:22:16.860
i think it's been going on for as long as i can think
01:22:21.720
gangs have always used rappers rappers have always used gangs
01:22:26.120
to promote each other gangs use rappers because
01:22:30.200
rappers bringing money fame things of that sort
01:22:34.240
women as we saw in the text messages and the rappers use the gang for support
01:22:41.000
so they can get into certain venues because they might not be allowed to certain venues
01:22:44.940
as we saw in some of the texts unless they have that support
01:22:54.240
how is that reflected in the messages and in your opinion based on what you've seen
01:23:02.040
maybe meli wasn't reciprocating as much as they were asking him to
01:23:27.000
and if there are a certain amount of latitude or
01:23:39.780
if you have fame and they're trying to use that fame
01:24:12.280
there is no response from january 3rd to january 25th
01:24:19.120
are there circumstances in which a person's not allowed to have possession of a cell phone
01:24:24.520
without going into what those circumstances are
01:24:29.920
so you mentioned as well that the messages don't show
01:25:59.920
publishing from what has been admitted to evidence
01:26:24.360
specifically is there a missed facetime call from gino
01:26:30.440
and is that one of the numbers in the contacts that we just went over
01:26:35.040
that's one of the text threads that we went over
01:26:38.300
from gino are there messages from gino on january 2nd
01:43:44.560
photographs were presented to you uh they've been marked you how they've been marked
01:43:48.860
uh man yo the defense is shaking in their boots right they don't want those pictures in
01:43:57.560
uh so defense counsel has placed a statement on any that he is objecting to of the 28 that have been selected triple c for identification
01:44:07.080
all right so if you want to do them one at a time that's what i'd like to do is if you can show the photograph and uh may i approach you yes you may this photo
01:44:16.140
doctor you're not uh you're not uh concerned or intimidated if the attorney
01:44:19.800
of course not i'd rather than just give it here so
01:44:22.840
they're asking oh are you okay with them approaching you with that mask on lol come on man
01:44:38.580
so this first picture of this thinking note actually is the face shot with heat number
01:44:46.960
that any case number that is unique to this case
01:44:50.200
so what this does is it shows that this number will be in every single photo
01:44:56.800
thank you and is there any duplicates of that photo showing the case number
01:45:05.920
but this is the face of the decedent that's how we identify him
01:45:13.320
so this next series of photographs are the clean hand photographs
01:45:20.420
okay so just so y'all know we just crossed 1500 live viewers
01:45:23.480
the judge the so here's the judge as y'all know obviously
01:45:28.080
um the defense counsel and the prosecutor what they're basically going over right now is what pictures are going to be shown to the jury
01:45:35.140
and they're kind of going through them right now here
01:45:37.960
and they're doing that because the defense does not want all these photos to be shown to the jury
01:45:43.660
because they fear that it's going to make uh it's going to be they said they said themselves it's going to be might be prejudicial
01:45:48.900
right but the medical examiner right she's prosecution witness she's saying i need to at least show the faces so that they can identify the deceased so this is going to be interesting
01:45:59.560
we take these photographs to document whether there are any injuries to the hands
01:46:04.780
you know were they in a scuff hole is there any hemorrhaging
01:46:09.520
if that's a line of questioning then i need these photos to show that
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and so dr mccleby's a clean hand you can do explaining to his honor i can so
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in the course of a suspicious case when we take photographs we do what's called overall photographs
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initially so those are usually bloody hands right bloody defects bloody body when we clean them up
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we take a second round of photographs that are clean photographs so these photographs are the clean photographs
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i don't see any blood on any of these photographs
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may i inquire as to how many photographs what you want the doctor to tell him sorry
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yeah so these are the clean photographs of the hands
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how many photographs of the two hands are in that file
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so there's a front and back so there's one front one pole and a side
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to show every you know every piece of each hand to show that there's no injuries
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the question is how many photos in total of the hands are
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so there are six photographs one at the polymer surface of each hand from the other surface of each hand
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we would object that it's duplicitous and it has no relevance
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no photographs or when you said clean photographs
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there's no blood there's no bruisedness or anything like that
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so these next two photographs are of the same wound
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there's no way for me to show where it is on the body
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just so y'all know the defense is going to do everything in their fucking power
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to make sure the violent photos are not shown to the jury
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the defense is going to fight this tooth and nail guys
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is that what you're suggesting doctor that you to show the orientation
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as well as the close-up of the injury that you need those pictures to illustrate that
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at the end of the day the judge is going to you know
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the last deciding official on what gets shown and what doesn't
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there's a sticker on one in the left hand i believe
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you can describe the characteristics of the wound
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i would prefer both because you can tell in the close-up that this looks like a laceration which is consistent with an exit wound
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i can explain it from this one but you can't really see it
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is the court allowing both of those photographs
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she's saying she needs to explain the testimony
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i believe she said she could explain it on either one of the photographs
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i can explain that it's a laceration on each one
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southern court and i was putting a sticker on all of the internal
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and i'm standing at a distance from you because you are not in that 10-day grace period
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normally judge i would say that internal photographs are not needed
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the reason that these photographs are important in this particular case
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is that the first shot which was for the back of the neck
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the under surface of the skin around that injury there's hemorrhage
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which means i can tell you that he was alive when that shot was higher
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i think that's she's talking about sack chaser's one because i know the guy that was sitting
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he got shot in the cheek and it exited out of his brain
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so basically went in this way and then came out this way and then i think sack chaser got shot in the back of the neck and it came out the head
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so he shot directly at him like this and then he shot chris who was directly to his right
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but yeah he has she has to show some of these gruesome photos to show that they were in fact alive when they got shot
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third shot went to the shoulder the second shot that went through the heart and the left bone
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that there was no heartbeat when those shots were inflicted
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ah now she's talking about them drive-by shootings
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I think he's musically talented and a fucking musical genius
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damn near irrefutable guys that he committed this crime
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and y'all are gonna see right now with the medical examiner
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the more this gets pushed in the algo to other people
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and we're probably gonna get demonetized today boyos
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where the projectile from the shoulder was retrieved
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if i want to show you that there's hemorrhage here
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and he was alive and that's why there's hemorrhage
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i mean you know you want to show that there's no hemorrhage in the heart
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this doctor don't give a fuck she want to show everything guys
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i think the lung is probably the best photo of all of them because there's no hemorrhage there
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i think you need the one that shows that there was a beating heart when the bullet went through the head
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i would part i don't argue right i would suggest whatever the right word is
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this photograph is the projectile from the right back
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and one of the first shot to show the difference in this is a beating heart these are not
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if that's something that needs to be shown the photographs and how i came to that decision i'm done
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we are not contesting that the first shot was the fatal shot
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uh the other two shots which he is referring to are from the internal examination to verify that we're not contesting that at all
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those are very gruesome photographs have nothing to do with because the victim uh in this group is dead all right
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there's no reason other than to prejudice this jury of the gruesomeness of this autopsy
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you know what you need to explain your testimony
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so your honor is it's not about which shot is the fatal shot i mean we have people shot 20 times whatever all the time
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yo the fact that they've been going back and forth for this long on these pictures tells me that these photos are really bad guys like really bad
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you know all at the same time around the same time within you know a minute two minutes five minutes every single one of those gunshots is going to have hemorrhage
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okay so it's not that he shot in the head his heart stops immediately and you know the other two shots come within seconds and those have no hemorrhage
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i can't tell you what the time frame is between the head shot and the other shots but it's a significant amount of time so that he's passed away there's no circulation then these shots come
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so it's not ten shots the first shot was to the head so it killed him and the other nine were a minute later and none of those had hemorrhage
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so that's why this is unique and that we can say which the first shot is so i think you can take some of these out but if the line of questioning is going to be
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and i don't know what it is right but if it's going to be
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was it you know seconds later that the second third shot came or was it minutes later you have to be able to show that there's no hemorrhage
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i just ask a question of dr regard in those photographs that the internal photographs
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correct they're all internal yes sir and uh any of those are duplications
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they're not they're not duplications in pictures but i can show it with less photographs
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because it's a sanguine pattern that's fine so if you can show it with and play it with less photographs
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that's what i would appreciate may i inquire one other question your honor sure you can't tell
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if it was seconds or minutes later correct it's not seconds how do you know that because i've done
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hundreds of gunshot wound cases where they're shot multiple times and they all have hemorrhage
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in those cases you have not been able to determine which is the first shot second shot and third shot
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correct that's correct okay so in other words this is an unusual case wherein you can tell what the first shot is
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and in fact i think you testified this is like one in a million let's say three they have three okay
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in 12 13 years okay where i can tell which shot came first because the dramatic difference in the
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characteristics of the first gunshot wound and the second and third it's not seconds hey it's some time but i
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i can't tell you what that time is it could be 10 seconds 55 minutes could be five minutes
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could be 30 minutes and it also could be less than a minute i don't know that i say less than a minute
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and what are you basing that on excuse me counselor i'm this is i assume you proposed her a long time ago
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you deposed this witness correct yes all right so this we're talking about photographs not about the other issue
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my uh job here is to yo i mean i ain't gonna lie i'm gonna give it to the defensive attorney for trying
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like he's trying to bro he's really trying hard to not get these pictures in and what he's basically
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trying to argue is like okay well how do you know the difference between the shots that were fatal
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versus the shots that came after in the drive-through was it 10 minutes seconds later blah blah blah
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doctor's like come on bro i know that the fatal shot happened and then a significant amount of time
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passed then these other shots came in and i need to show the i need to show all the pictures so i can
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show y'all what a deadly gunshot wound looks like and then what a gunshot wound postmortem looks like
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that's what she's trying to argue but the defense is trying to say well how do you know like what's
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the difference in between so again nice try by defense counsel but for me listening to this argument in my
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professional experience she's gonna have to show both sets to show you guys the drastic difference
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between a gunshot wound when you're alive versus one when you're dead and the reason why she has to
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do this is because remember meli and portland's story is they got hit in a drive-by shooting
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you know at a certain time but the wounds don't match that so she's gonna have to show both it's coming
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gonna have to show both but let's see what happens i could be wrong uh however uh you know we're trying
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to limit those uh i don't think it's so prejudicial or so gruesome uh as to uh create any type of
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prejudice in the mind of the the autopsy photographs trying to explain the uh
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so in any event doctor if you could uh satisfy which one you need for your testimony and which one you can
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i can i mean the trains can come up here as well these are three different well these are all the
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same shot so this is probably the it's a bone that's the one you want and so to show okay and so it's
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clear for the record that his opponent alum has been removed from the body and it's not encased in the
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knee sort of you know hey shots you untouchable i mean i'm gonna keep it a thousand with y'all i love
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academics but yeah and no one's gonna come close to breaking this case down and this trial down
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to the same molecular level that i'm about to do for y'all so like the goddamn video so um yeah
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shout out to academics but we the best over here at fed reacts god damn it
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ribs you don't see blood you don't see other fatty tissue
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so in terms of the lung shots and the heart shot are those from the same wound path correct so all
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of these four photographs are from the same wound path so one of this this is gunshot wound three
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This is gunshot wound one, and this is gunshot wound two.
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Okay, so you would be fine taking out these three.
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The photo of the ribbed post from the one that's thrown in.
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You just need the other three to explain the differences.
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Alright, so those photographs that have been excluded, how many in number are there?
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Dr. Oakley, 23 photos that remain here indicating.
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Do you need those photographs to explain your illustration testimony?
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Yes, and we just need to update the digital version of that.
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Alright, looks like if I heard that correctly, they've whittled it down to 23 photos.
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May I have a standing objection to those photographs that I objected to?
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Does the State have any objection to a standing objection?
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So there's no objection to the standing objection.
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But I just like that somehow those ones with the yellow tab that essentially rejected to be noted.
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That's a good idea of number again, and I can refer to them by the number, so there's a question on the map.
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On the side note, can I suggest we let the jury start that much before we do this?
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I know that the juries will be able to see and that the prosecution will be able to use.
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It looks like they took a short recess with why these guys are commentating.
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And so right now they're just going over which pictures the court is allowing for the medical examiner to be able to testify to.
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And Bob, how important is this witness going to be?
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Well, she's going to say that it was a murder and she's going to say how the murder happened.
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And how it happened may ultimately be what's going to lay a foundation for the other link up evidence connecting the defendants to that.
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And I think that's why she's going to be a critical witness in this regard.
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If there's any determination that the shots came from inside the car, that's bad for the defendant.
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If she comes back and says that the evidence looks like the shots came from that trajectory, from the back part of the car, how would the prosecution fight against that?
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Excuse me, how would the defense fight against that?
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Yeah, if they did, I would say that the defense counsel would have to go and talk more about, you know, if there were other shots that were fired from coming outside of the vehicle.
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And if they can also talk about the fact that Millie was sitting there, but we don't know how real quick and a little snack here, guys.
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The Gorilla Mind protein bar, of course, the peanut butter flavor because I'm sitting in Chris's sheet seats.
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So hopefully I won't stutter as much as him when I eat this peanut butter.
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How long he was sitting in the vehicle in that position.
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And so we don't know when he left or, you know, at all.
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And Jeanette Levy's up next with our live Q&A show.
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But you got to get the stuff from Sunday's Fetish stream.
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I don't know how long the break is going to be, but let's see here.
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I'll go ahead and answer some of y'all questions that you guys have.
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If you guys got questions, go ahead and send them in.
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But, you know, I think this is a good time for a recap.
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So, let's get in and recap what's went down so far.
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We got 1.4K likes, but 1,600 plus y'all in here.
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But the first thing that came on, guys, was the undercover detective from Bexar County Sheriff's Office.
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And the reason why he testified with a mask on for the first day and the reason why the camera doesn't show his face is because he has a $50,000 hit on him by a gang because, you know, he operated as an undercover in these gang investigations and probably put a bunch of people in jail and they wound up dead now.
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But he's a subject matter expert in gang culture, especially the G-Shine Bloods, which Melly is an alleged member of.
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Now, you're probably wondering, why the fuck does this matter, Meyer?
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The reason why it matters is because for the state to get the death penalty on Melly, they need to prove that he was a gang member.
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It's very important for them to be able to prove that.
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So what they did was they spent quite a bit of time with the subject matter expert going through Melly's text messages with other known gang members.
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Gino and Herc, to be exact, showing Melly communicating with these individuals and using current gang vernacular, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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The defense on cross-examination asked the detective, hey, well, are you sure that my member is a gang?
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Because there was also text messages in there that were fairly dismissive, whether it was Melly not responding to them or gang members saying, we don't know you like that, blah, blah, blah.
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The defense did a fairly good job of creating some doubt as to Melly's gang standing.
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Now, my professional opinion on that entire situation, we've seen in other cases that you don't necessarily have to be identified as a full-fledged gang member to be charged with gang racketeering laws.
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Example A, Daniel Hernandez, a.k.a. Tekashi69, as y'all know, back in 2018, he got arrested by Homeland Security Investigations, HSI, my former agency.
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For Rico, and he was never a full-fledged blood.
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He admits this. Other members of the gang admit this.
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He was just merely an associate that had them around them for protection and he funded them.
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But he still suffered the same consequences as other gang members, even though he wasn't necessarily.
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And what I mean by same consequences, he was still charged under the same exact statutes.
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The reason why he didn't get the time is because he cooperated.
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But had he not cooperated, he would have got the same amount of time as all the other gang members.
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But the reason why I say this is to let y'all know that you don't have to be a full-fledged gang member to get charged racketeering laws.
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Now, after he testified, and then the prosecutor brought him on direct and, you know, answered, like clarified some of the things that the defense tried to kind of muddy in the water.
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After he testified, the medical examiner came in and was just sworn in.
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She's going to be probably the most important witness in this case.
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And then what they did, since they know that she's so important, she's going to be pivotal.
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The defense is fighting to keep some of them goddamn photos out of the trial because they don't want them to impact the jury on an emotional level and be prejudicial towards Melly.
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It looks like she's going to get ready to testify here after the lunch break, but they pretty much agreed on 23 photos.
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Like the video, let's get back to what's going on here on Law & Crime Network.
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I'm Anjanette Levy, and thanks for being with us this noon on Law & Crime.
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And we are taking your questions this hour in the double murder trial.
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Shout out to Leo Runs, two bucks, myron gains a goat.
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I'm Anjanette Levy, the South Florida rapper accused of murdering two of his friends, two of his lifelong friends, Chris Thomas Jr. and Anthony Williams.
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Melly, as we have been telling you over the last couple of weeks, faces the possibility of the death penalty if convicted of the October 26, 2018 double homicides.
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And Melly faces the possibility of the death penalty under a lower threshold, recently signed into law by Governor Ron DeSantis in Florida.
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So the jury say they convicted him of double murder.
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For him to get a death sentence, they'd only have to be eight to four.
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That would have to be the minimum split rather than 12 to zero, the unanimous decision that was previously required under the law.
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As I mentioned, we're taking your questions this lunch hour, as we always do.
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So keep them coming to us on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok.
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And we'll get to as many of them as we can during the lunch hour.
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Terry Austin of Law & Crime is down at the Broward County Courthouse covering the trial for us.
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Bob Bianchi is a former prosecutor, currently a defense attorney and a host here at Law & Crime.
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She is a host at SiriusXM and basically a Melly expert, if you will.
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What's been going on in the courtroom this morning that's really stood out to you?
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So we started out this morning with Danny Polo back on that stand without his mask.
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And what the prosecution was trying to do actually is to show that at the end of the day, when she did a redirect,
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that he is basing his information, his conclusions on everything, not just one thing, not just a photo or a video that Melly might have been in.
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What defense is trying to do is to say, look, you're jumping to these conclusions.
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There's nothing here that says he was a gang member.
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Basically, you have gang members who are chasing him.
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So that was the end of, I think, that testimony.
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And I think that's what the jury came away with.
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We also know that that ended this morning and we are about to see clear gang signs throwing up the bees.
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We started out with 138 photos that was narrowed down to 28.
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The judge wanted to make sure we kept out any photos that were too gruesome for that jury to take a look at.
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And this is going to be a really important witness state, Terry, because we've brought this up really a couple of times recently that the ME, according to the state, according to the prosecutor, is going to testify that the fatal shots to both Juvie and Sack Chaser came from within that vehicle, from the backseat, not from the outside of the vehicle.
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And so that's some pretty critical testimony to the state's case.
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And not only that, she says this is the rare case.
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And we did this outside of the presence of the jury, a little voir dire of what her testimony was going to be, basically, to go through those photos.
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But she said that it's the first time after, you know, many, many years, only a few times has she ever been able to tell what is the first shot.
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And she said she could do that because of the way the bullet went in.
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And apparently, if it goes in, you have some coagulation and you can tell that the person is still alive.
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But if the bullet goes in and the person is not alive, it doesn't have that sort of gathering of the blood.
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And so she said she could tell where the first fatal shot came.
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And then sometime later, the other bullets came into the bodies of Anthony Williams and Christopher Thomas.
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A very interesting testimony, but very difficult testimony, we know, for the families of Juvie and Sack Chaser to hear.
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It's just absolutely awful kind of listening to how they died.
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I really think this is a great question for you.
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Radagast asks, could this case be used as a RICO case into the larger gang network?
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And I think that's a pretty interesting question given this whole thing about the bloods and the G Shine blood set.
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I'll answer this. I want to see what their answers are and they'll clarify if anything's wrong.
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That we've heard about in text messages and things like that.
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And gang cases have been prosecuted under RICO.
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The reason why I don't think it's going to happen here is they're already going forward with the trial.
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Typically speaking, prosecutors are going to want to move up a ladder and a chain of command in order to get to the RICO case.
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Right now, these people are on trial or he's on trial.
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So they're losing a main witness with respect to that.
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And that person that does no longer has the right to Fifth Amendment immunity, which typically prosecutors would give under those circumstances in order to build a RICO case.
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Not that it can happen in the future, but it wouldn't be surprising to me that they made that offer prior to this trial and he refused to cooperate.
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So the quality of the RICO case is only as good as the witnesses you can put on.
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But what about information gleaned maybe from the cell phones and stuff like that?
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Would you pass that on to maybe the feds or somebody like that?
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Yeah, I mean, the state is capable of bringing its own RICO charges.
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And if the state doesn't feel it's got the qualitative nature of the evidence to go forward, I could tell you from having been a prosecutor working with the feds,
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they're not going to be interested in taking a case on that the state itself felt, if it's true, that there wasn't enough proof beyond the reasonable doubt.
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The feds typically like to be involved in cases that are absolutely airtight and when there can't be any possibility, at least in their minds, of a not guilty verdict.
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So when I've had really good cases and I brought RICO and I had all the evidence, we would get a phone call from the feds to say, hey, maybe you want to consider giving it to us so that we could try it with a more draconian penalties.
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And of course, you could try your case afterwards.
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That not happening here makes me suspect because every witness that goes on and everything that happens in this trial could affect the outcome of a federal RICO charge.
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So I don't see it. Interesting. Let's go on to all right.
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He's incorrect there and I'll tell you why to say he's a correct about some things and incorrect about other things.
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He's clearly a prosecutor at the state level based on what he just said.
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Now, the thing is, let's say they do an investigation into gang members, right, that Melly is communicating with.
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They can absolutely use those messages that they had with Melly to build a racketeering case.
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And if they do establish that he did these killings right to increase his stature with the gang or whatever, these murders and these communications that these individuals had with Melly can all be wrapped up later down the road in an overall gang conspiracy.
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So I see what he's saying. He's speaking about can they use these particular text messages in this particular case for a RICO case.
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The answer to that is no in that in that small aspect.
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But from a former federal investigator standpoint, I can absolutely use those messages in a larger scale investigation where I'm establishing who members are, hierarchies, individual statuses and roles in the in the organization.
02:21:47.600
It's very obvious here that Melly is a financer slash potential member, lower level, lower mid level guy that uses the gang for protection, credibility, etc.
02:21:59.600
So I can absolutely use that to illustrate the depth of the gang, the tentacles of the gang, the strength of the gang, the financial capability of the gang, the reach of the gang.
02:22:10.800
So I can absolutely use this evidence to build a separate RICO case on other individuals that Melly may have communicated or been in contact with.
02:22:21.920
OK, and that's the difference between the feds and the state. You just basically heard a state prosecutor talk.
02:22:25.860
I'm telling you how the feds actually do investigations. OK, so you can use that stuff to build a larger level case. Absolutely.
02:22:33.200
And that's why I disagree with him. Everything else he said, though, is correct. But let's get back to it.
02:22:37.300
Yo, like the goddamn video, bro. Y'all ain't going to get sauce like this anywhere else on the fucking Internet.
02:22:42.980
Shade room ain't going to tell y'all this. Fucking CNN, Fox News, even Law and Crime Network ain't going to give y'all some of the sauce I'm giving you guys.
02:22:50.080
I've actually done racketeering gang cases as the case agent.
02:23:02.460
There's some other questions. Excuse underscore my underscore beauty underscore TT from Instagram.
02:23:09.840
Mina, why does Melly have to get the death penalty instead of prison?
02:23:16.080
So. Of course, a female would ask a stupid question like this, but stupid.
02:23:21.580
Carry on. The death penalty is just an option if he's convicted.
02:23:27.300
Right. Well, the change in the laws in the state is why this is even on the table.
02:23:33.480
Now, obviously, there has to be certain criteria to make this a death penalty case.
02:23:38.100
And it seems like the people involved feel like there is enough criteria to make this a death penalty case.
02:23:45.160
What I will say is with death penalty, it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt.
02:23:51.160
So and then it's scary now with the death penalty, because before, as we've talked about, it used to have to be unanimous in the state of Florida.
02:23:59.180
Now, the threshold has been lowered and it's now eight people that have to.
02:24:04.080
Just see, I know this is one of the girls that's been kind of roasting the prosecution saying like they don't have any evidence.
02:24:09.780
So I want to see what her tune is going to be after this medical examiner testifies.
02:24:14.160
If Mellie does, in fact, get the death penalty, if he gets found guilty.
02:24:23.760
And I'm I'm hoping that the evidence that is presented is airtight so that if this is even on the table, they are a thousand percent sure.
02:24:34.140
And the evidence shows that he did, in fact, commit this murder and then they will evaluate if the death penalty will be applied here in the penalty phase.
02:24:46.220
But I'm worried about this and I'm hoping that the evidence shows if we do get to that point.
02:24:51.180
Our next question is going to you, Terry, at Joe Mama asks from YouTube, did Mellie open up or respond to any other text during that 20 day period?
02:25:03.820
If he didn't, could it cast doubt that it's his phone?
02:25:09.040
Well, there's a lot of doubt, Anjanette, that that is his phone or rather that he's using the phone.
02:25:15.000
We know the phone is registered in his mother's name.
02:25:17.180
We know that he has not been in possession of the phone the entire time.
02:25:21.480
We know that other members of the gang, actually, we talked about Kirk.
02:25:27.900
We talked about various other members who are trying to attract Mellie into the gang and Mellie's not responding.
02:25:34.400
And we definitely know that there are times after the incident occurred where he didn't have possession of the phone.
02:25:40.220
So the question is really whether or not you can attribute some of those messages to Mellie.
02:25:47.180
When he was not holding the phone, I do think that the defense established fairly well which of those messages came from Mellie.
02:25:56.340
And most of the messages he was not responding.
02:25:59.980
And it actually came out on the stand through Polo, who said Danny Polo, obviously, is the undercover agent, that he didn't want to mention it.
02:26:13.380
Pet peeve of mine when they call state investigators, deputies, agents.
02:26:17.440
No, he's a Broward County Sheriff's Office deputy, more than likely a detective, that works undercover.
02:26:26.820
His phone, because the phone was taken away from him.
02:26:32.000
But absolutely, some of those messages came from other people.
02:26:40.300
I guess your prosecutor and your defense attorney hat on since you've been both.
02:26:44.940
At Don Prasa from YouTube asks, what happens if Cortland and Mellie both say it was the other one?
02:26:51.020
And they've kind of pointed the finger a little bit at Cortland, Bortland, throughout this case.
02:26:59.500
Some people say, how do you choose between one or the other?
02:27:02.660
Well, the prosecution is going to have to make a choice.
02:27:05.160
Hopefully they're going to do that based on evidence that's solid and will convince a jury.
02:27:08.720
But this kind of gets back to the question you asked about the death penalty.
02:27:12.300
If Bortland testifies against Mellie, it is literally.
02:27:17.820
And I think that's the prosecution's ace in the hole is they're trying to do this case without Bortland because he's such a shitty witness.
02:27:24.660
But if the medical examiner doesn't pan out, I would bet 90 percent sure that they're going to put Bortland on the stand and he's going to testify against Mellie.
02:27:37.040
That's that's what I think the state's strategy is.
02:27:39.060
They're trying not to use him because it's already obvious that they've debunked his stupid ass story through their own independent investigation.
02:27:46.340
So it would look crazy for them to put him on the stand when he literally lied to them and shows he's not credible.
02:27:50.960
But now the state wants to tell you he's credible.
02:27:56.940
If the medical examiner doesn't have a home run, as I as I the state is hoping that she will and all the other witnesses don't line up and it's not irrefutable that Mellie was a murderer, they're going to put Bortland on the stand.
02:28:16.520
I've tried death penalty cases as a prosecutor, and the one axiom is that I don't want there to be any confusion about exactly who the shooter was.
02:28:27.540
The circumstances of the shooting so as not to make you know, when you're asking the jury to give the ultimate penalty, even though the numbers have been reduced in the state of Florida, that if there's a question about who the shooter was.
02:28:39.200
That is a massive problem that would lead me as a prosecutor to say, you know, I'm not comfortable in even filing this as a death penalty case.
02:28:53.820
I know you guys are saying, like, why would Bortland testify?
02:28:56.620
His rap career is going to be over, blah, blah, blah.
02:28:58.600
His rap career is going to be over if he doesn't testify, you fucking dummies.
02:29:04.000
They're saying that because there's no way if they convict Mellie, there's no way he's not going to prison.
02:29:17.000
If they convict Mellie, it's done for Bortland because Bortland has an even weaker case than Mellie does.
02:29:24.000
He's the one that gave the nonsensical story to the police that they got hit in a drive-by that is clearly disproven by the wound pattern.
02:29:31.140
Like, bro, Bortland has no choice but to testify.
02:29:34.480
Y'all are saying his rap career is going to be done.
02:29:38.720
The only way I can see him getting out of this is if they convict Mellie and he doesn't testify, he could try to—
02:29:47.860
No, he's going to take—damn, he's kind of fucked either way.
02:29:49.680
Yeah, because if they don't need his testimony to convict Mellie, then they're going to prosecute him, and he's going to definitely go down for, like, murder tour or accessory or some other bullshit like that.
02:30:00.980
If he testifies, that's what's probably going to save him and keep him out of prison for a significant amount of his life.
02:30:07.140
So he better pray that the state feels iffy and calls him to the stand because that's honestly going to be his best-case scenario to not do a bunch of jail time.
02:30:16.820
Like, that's the only chess move I see on the board for Bortland.
02:30:21.200
He's going to have to snitch or do a bunch of time in prison.
02:30:23.640
Again, Jamie Smith asks the question, and this is from YouTube, so sorry about that.
02:30:34.060
It seemed the defense inadvertently correlated Mellie directly to the—
02:30:38.300
The reason why so many people are saying Mellie's not guilty or whatever is because a lot of people that are watching right now are his fans, guys.
02:30:42.800
You've got to remember, this dude's been locked up for the better part of five years.
02:30:45.240
People have been waiting for this trial forever.
02:30:46.560
However, it got pushed back because of all the other high-profile trials going on, Parkland and all this other bullshit.
02:30:52.400
So, of course, a bunch of his fans are going to be in there, you know, saying, oh, he's innocent, blah, blah, blah.
02:30:56.900
But, bro, when you look at the evidence, it's bad.
02:30:59.680
This isn't like, you know, Andrew Tate where it's obvious he's innocent, where you've got girls saying they're human trafficking, but they're walking in and out of the house.
02:31:09.740
They got all this shit, lying statements from other people.
02:31:13.420
They got all this shit that proves that Mellie was at the scene.
02:31:16.000
Hell, even Mellie himself admitted he was at the scene.
02:31:21.700
Text messages during Cross, will that make a bigger impact on the jury?
02:31:30.520
I think it all makes an impact on the jury, right?
02:31:33.400
Right now we're trying to figure out if Mellie actually committed this murder.
02:31:36.600
I think the text messages show it's strong evidence that he is a gang-affiliated,
02:31:43.960
but I don't know how the gang-affiliation part plays into who committed this murder.
02:31:51.880
This is why these fucking commentators are stupid sometimes.
02:31:57.540
It's not about proving the gang-affiliation led to the murder.
02:32:01.140
It's about proving that he committed the murder and he has gang-affiliation, dummy.
02:32:09.640
Like, it's merely to prove that he is a member of a gang so that they can go ahead and get their death penalty that they're seeking, guys.
02:32:16.980
Like, bro, are these people watching the same...
02:32:18.980
Yo, this is what happens when you have people that's, like, a serious XM host with no professional experience that can't properly interpret what the fuck is going on.
02:32:30.980
I am interested to see in how the doctor and showing the pictures and then also talking about who fired the first shot.
02:32:43.420
Because for me, the text message evidence was a little weak in that we don't know who was sending the text messages.
02:32:51.380
But then we also don't know how, say, Mellie was gang-affiliated, how that's related to the murder.
02:32:57.220
As far as we know, this doesn't seem like a gang murder.
02:33:08.520
I think it all goes into play, and it's not singular.
02:33:26.560
I don't know who these guys are, but they're clearly gang members.
02:33:31.360
And you can see here, it looks like he's at a show or something, and he has these guys around him.
02:33:46.320
I mean, a lot of people are kind of asking this question about the...
02:33:50.320
Yeah, like people out here telling me, Myron, you're a hater.
02:34:07.600
I mean, a lot of people are kind of asking this question about the possible gang affiliation and the motive for the murders.
02:34:14.840
And, you know, I think that the prosecution, just looking at this, I've been going through a lot of those text messages.
02:34:22.820
And I think they're kind of trying to say, like, this may have been part of it.
02:34:25.900
See, I got my federal partners in here investigating.
02:34:28.500
His album cover showed him flashing blood signs, and it says, we all shine because of the G shine blood.
02:34:51.560
So it's a pretty interesting thing that they're kind of bringing into all of this.
02:34:59.680
Keep the questions coming to us on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook.
02:35:04.420
Evidence that shows Mellie getting into this car.
02:35:07.280
There's clear camera footage and camera evidence that shows the cell phones being there together and traveling down the highway, right?
02:35:16.400
But in this case, say something did happen, whether it was a shooting that happened within the car or a drive-by shooting, Mellie as a celebrity would want to distance himself from this.
02:35:30.680
I've seen it in other cases where celebrities are protected because this is what happens, right?
02:35:37.060
When celebrities become involved in something, it becomes big.
02:35:42.660
If this wasn't a celebrity, would we be talking about this to the extent that we're talking about it?
02:35:52.200
You know, if you have no guilt, why not just call the police at that moment?
02:35:56.240
But I think what we have to factor in is the fact that Mellie is a celebrity.
02:36:03.900
And I would not put it past for the people in Mellie's lives or life to try to protect him and say, hey, we don't want to associate you with this.
02:36:17.060
I'm not saying that's the right thing to do, but I've seen it happen many times with, especially if you're in a group, they're all in that YNW group.
02:36:27.720
So I've seen it many times where the friends try to protect the celebrity.
02:36:33.200
But I guess just the shock of it, Mina, you know, these are your two lifelong friends, Juvie and Sack Chaser.
02:36:39.000
They came up together making all of this music, and your friends have been, like, just slaughtered in front of you, you know.
02:36:46.980
And wouldn't you be, like, trying to do whatever you could to help them then?
02:36:54.960
That's, if I'm not mistaken, Chris, YNW Chris, who was the one that was sitting directly to Mellie's right in the back seat.
02:37:05.460
There is evidence that states that he was pacing.
02:37:08.280
I think they said something around the lines of, like, a thousand steps.
02:37:16.300
And we don't know what the reaction to the shooting was, right?
02:37:19.120
At this point, all we have is all these different sets of, you know, this different set of evidence that they're trying to pinpoint everything, but we're not quite seeing the full picture here.
02:37:40.460
So I don't know what is an appropriate response to that because I don't know the full details of what happened with this shooting.
02:37:49.780
Well, we know the state's saying it happened inside the car, that the drive-by was staged after.
02:37:55.540
Obviously, Bortland said we were the victims of a drive-by.
02:38:00.180
Mentions nothing about, you know, these are all things the jury's going to have to determine.
02:38:17.180
I know for a fact this morning one of them had trouble getting here on time.
02:38:21.340
But generally speaking, they have been here on time.
02:38:24.220
They leave in the evening around 5 o'clock every day.
02:38:34.240
But, yes, they have the freedom to come and go.
02:38:36.840
The judge does admonish them each and every time they enter and leave that courtroom,
02:38:42.840
asking them whether or not, you know, anyone has listened to anything
02:38:45.280
and telling them before they leave to make sure that they do not listen to social media.
02:38:52.840
Obviously, in the social media age, this is tough.
02:38:54.440
This is a big reason why O.J. Simpson actually won the trial.
02:38:57.240
For some of you guys that don't know, back in 95, the case had the most coverage I've ever seen.
02:39:02.560
It was like global when the O.J. Simpson case happened.
02:39:04.520
But the jury members were not allowed to look at any of the media.
02:39:09.700
So a big reason why O.J. got acquitted is because the jury didn't see half the things
02:39:14.000
that were out on the media about the O.J. Simpson case.
02:39:16.960
They only saw some things, which the defense counsel did a very good job of,
02:39:19.680
only letting in certain pieces of evidence in and attacking the evidence that did
02:39:23.280
to corrupt, to make the police look crazy, whatever it may be.
02:39:26.940
But in the social media age, it's very difficult to do this.
02:39:29.140
So the jury members are not supposed to watch or engage with any social media
02:39:35.140
Obviously, easier said than done, but they have to do that.
02:39:39.640
Evidence that they see inside the trial is evidence that they need to be considering.
02:39:45.580
We're trusting them the way we trust our system to work.
02:39:48.400
Maybe when they're deliberating, they will be, but not at this point.
02:39:51.220
Yeah, and maybe during the actual penalty phase, if we get...
02:40:00.960
The reason why it's hard to find is because it's fucking age-restricted.
02:40:06.280
But yeah, and I actually give you guys a pretty good theory on how Nicole Simpson died.
02:40:21.780
To that point, they possibly might be sequestered at that point, too.
02:40:25.580
Different states do things differently, depending on, you know, when you get to the penalty phase or not.
02:40:40.680
if it's required for the jurors to be impartial, which it is,
02:40:43.980
why does it seem as if it's not required for the jurors?
02:40:47.780
Bro, when you guys click on it, it's going to say the following content has been identified by YouTube community
02:40:55.200
So I dropped the link in there for y'all if you want to watch it.
02:41:00.660
It's actually one of my favorite ones that I did.
02:41:05.080
After we do this, obviously watch it after this.
02:41:08.240
Well, listen, we don't live in a perfect world.
02:41:14.620
The witnesses are supposed to be impartial, i.e., the witnesses are supposed to tell the truth.
02:41:19.520
But I can tell you from many years of doing this that you can literally have witnesses
02:41:24.540
that watch the same exact event and they come up with two completely.
02:41:31.020
If you guys want to go ahead and get it, it's pinned right there, the O.J. Simpson breakdown.
02:41:36.540
Different conclusions, and I've come to the belief when I was younger, I say, well, one of them's
02:41:41.320
timestamps in there are in there and everything, guys.
02:41:43.540
So run that one up, man, because I'm pissed off that the YouTube thrall of that so bad.
02:41:47.180
It's so bad that some of y'all still ask me to this day, yo, did you do O.J. Simpson?
02:41:50.820
I'm like, bro, I did O.J. Simpson, but y'all can't find it because YouTube is lame.
02:41:56.120
I've come to the belief that people have the capacity to have tunnel logic and confirmation bias,
02:42:01.880
and they genuinely believe what it is they're saying.
02:42:04.320
But the witnesses are supposed to be impartial, and that is why we have the greatest engine
02:42:09.640
to get to the truth for people that are not being truthful, and that is the art of cross-examination.
02:42:17.000
So you can't mandate that a witness is going to be impartial.
02:42:20.480
And let's be honest, when I'm a prosecutor and I've got police officers and detectives
02:42:25.160
who investigated a case, they believe the person is guilty.
02:42:28.480
So I guess you could say they have partiality, but they say they're basing that upon a given
02:42:37.700
I don't know if that answers the question, but that's the closest I can get to it.
02:42:41.680
Yeah, and there are different witnesses for different functions, right?
02:42:44.980
You know, expert witnesses versus lay witnesses, things of that nature.
02:42:51.660
So keep those questions coming on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
02:42:55.940
We'll get to as many of them as we can, but for now, we've got to take a quick break.
02:42:59.540
I'm Anjanette Levy, and you're watching Law & Crime.
02:43:18.360
So let's go ahead and hit some of these chats if you guys got questions.
02:43:25.940
Alicia Ramirez goes, can you do a breakdown of all of the cities that have fallen due
02:43:31.100
I mean, I could give you a quick little rundown on that right now.
02:43:33.460
New York City, San Francisco, Austin, if it doesn't fix itself, is going to be there.
02:43:43.580
These are some cities that are like really shitty thanks to fucking liberals, bro.
02:43:51.160
Boston's going to be there soon, you know, unfortunately.
02:43:55.740
Psycho Man says, yo, my man's in the chat said he looked like Chris.
02:44:00.580
Just a guy, 18 and on my way to becoming a man.
02:44:04.180
And then just putting a few bucks in the collection plate.
02:44:06.860
While we wait for this thing to pop up, by the way, guys, here's the OJ documentary.
02:44:11.680
I'm going to go ahead and put another tab for y'all while we wait for this thing to come
02:44:28.580
The following content has been identified by YouTube as inappropriate or offensive.
02:44:35.920
So as you guys can see here, I go into, right, all the different chapters in here.
02:44:43.780
Like if you guys like OJ Simpson, you guys like live through it.
02:44:47.360
I literally go through this thing like piece by piece.
02:44:50.420
This was a three and a half hour breakdown, man, on this case.
02:44:54.160
Because I remember I was a kid when this case happened.
02:44:57.240
95, you couldn't go anywhere without seeing this, man.
02:45:03.440
Like viral upon viral when it was actually hard to get viral, when you didn't have social
02:45:09.320
Anyone that's in their 30s, if you're like 20, maybe, if you're like 30 years old or older,
02:45:15.900
you'll probably know about or remember living through this case to some degree, man.
02:45:20.360
I was a child when this shit happened, but it was wild, man.
02:45:33.620
From the back gate at Nicole's house three weeks after the scene had been washed down, which
02:45:38.480
provided the best match by far to Simpson's DNA at the murder scene.
02:45:48.480
I pulled up an interview from 2006 where he talked about this shit and he said, if I
02:45:52.780
did it, where he goes into a hypothetical scenario where he's not by himself.
02:45:58.300
And then at the end, well, my prediction on what really happened, which y'all should definitely
02:46:02.220
watch this here at the end, who actually did it.
02:46:04.880
But if you guys want, like you should definitely go through everything where I go through the
02:46:09.660
The chase, Ron Goldman, the Chad origins of OJ's jealousy, but like, yo, I look at back
02:46:27.800
Go watch this man to run this one up for me guys as a favor.
02:46:33.680
Cause YouTube wanted to cock block me and make this shit age restricted fucking lame.
02:46:38.560
And I get, I'm telling y'all, this is the best breakdown of the OJ case on the internet.
02:46:47.320
This is by far the best OJ case breakdown on the whole internet.
02:46:52.440
I think it's undeniable at this point that both were at the scene.
02:46:55.460
Still not sure if it was a murder or a situation that got out of control, but both should have
02:47:03.460
And if y'all want to know who the other person was that I talked about, go ahead and watch
02:47:11.720
I go into conspiracy theories on this that came out during this case.
02:47:14.280
We covered, we turn every stone in this investigation, man.
02:47:23.760
I don't know if I was with rumble at the time I dropped this video, but I'm going to
02:47:30.460
work on something to rumble for Fed reacts to bro.
02:47:32.540
Cause there's some situations where there's shit that I want to be showing y'all.
02:47:34.840
Sometimes that's way too violent for you to know, demonetize me immediately.
02:47:38.880
And they already demonetize a lot of my videos on this channel.
02:47:46.600
Deuce this, but I don't know how Melly being gang related tells us who committed this murder.
02:47:54.300
Um, and I think separating this trial, um, from, you know, uh, Cortland and Melly, I think
02:48:01.960
the separation of this trial allows them to point fingers at each other.
02:48:08.660
Our next question comes from Martin on YouTube.
02:48:13.220
How do you feel about the cross-examination skills of Melly's lawyer so far?
02:48:18.080
And do you think he'll do a good job against the medical examiner?
02:48:21.840
Well, we'll see who crosses the medical examiner.
02:48:26.320
Sometimes they switch it up, but so far, I definitely think David Howard has been doing
02:48:31.380
He's developed a rapport, certainly with Danny Polo, who is the undercover agent and they
02:48:43.280
I think the undercover agent is definitely, he's off the stand now, but he was definitely
02:48:49.540
He knew when to follow up, even though the question wasn't being asked, but Howard, on
02:48:54.860
the other hand, made sure he said, okay, so that's speculation then, right?
02:49:02.960
So he's making it very clear when they are talking about issues like what's in the text,
02:49:11.440
So I think he's doing an excellent job telling that jury what is on black and white in those
02:49:16.640
emails and texts and what's not, and not to speculate.
02:49:20.200
If you don't see that Mellie is saying, oh, I want to be part of this gang, then perhaps
02:49:27.440
And by the way, what the prosecution was trying to say Mellie would get is some clout.
02:49:32.740
Obviously, that's one thing that each side will get, but also opening venues for Mellie,
02:49:38.520
which to me, as you know, thinking about it from the defense perspective, Mellie brings
02:49:45.060
So the defense, I think, really established the fact that it was more one-sided than the
02:49:51.740
One thing that I thought was interesting, Terry, you mentioned that David Howard and Danny
02:49:56.500
Polo seemed to know what the other was doing, where the other was going.
02:50:01.980
That kind of came out yesterday in testimony that David Howard has been in contact with
02:50:08.100
Danny Polo to testify, apparently, on another case.
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So the judge wanted that kind of stricken from the record when the defense objected.
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So I thought that was an interesting little tidbit that he's actually called on him to
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possibly consult on and testify in one of his cases.
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I think it was Stuart Adelson, but I think the whole team probably knows Danny, for sure.
02:50:38.560
But I think Stuart Adelson's the one that did the...
02:50:48.980
With him jumping from one blood set to another, doesn't that give motive for the gang to come
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after for Melly and could have done the drive-by shooting?
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So I guess, Bob, the question is, you know, he was jumping...
02:51:03.980
Melly may have been jumping from one blood set to another.
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Bro, you guys are literally pieces of shit, bro.
02:51:41.420
Does that give him motive for the gang to come after for Melly and could have done the
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Like, I guess somebody else in the gang is what they're saying.
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There are so many questions of what it could be, and that is, as a prosecutor, as a homicide
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prosecutor, the last place I want to be is maybe it's this demotive, maybe that's demotive.
02:52:08.080
Look, when we talk about the expert witness, I've never seen it.
02:52:16.500
The testimony that that detective gave, and at least in my state, wouldn't even qualify
02:52:25.480
There's a criteria that you have to use in order to do that.
02:52:29.200
There are lots of people that hang around gangs.
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Doesn't mean that he was committing murders for them.
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Or gang people want to be involved with fancy people and famous people.
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And sometimes they portray themselves like grew up in an area where people portrayed
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themselves to be something and they weren't anything like that.
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So if the prosecution cannot pin down a specific motive, they're going to lose the jury.
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Maybe they'll get the conviction on the murder.
02:53:00.600
But they're going to lose the jury on the aggravating factors for the death penalty.
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So I just think this testimony has been way too general to not have at least any sliver
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If there's any sliver of reasonable doubt in the guilt phase, any sliver, even though
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they may find him guilty, they're not going to impose the death penalty on a case like
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If Mellie's walks, I'm not going to be pissed at all because we'll be able to fucking
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not have a rapper get killed by the state of Florida.
02:53:33.640
But I foresee that it's going to be damn near impossible for him to walk, bro.
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But I'm telling y'all, I'm getting y'all prepared.
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He's like, I say, 95% chance he gets convicted.
02:53:55.520
The difference between me and the fans and Mellie's situation is I have experience in
02:54:03.660
There's a very slim chance he's going to beat these charges, man.
02:54:07.520
You think a culture of silence will hurt the prosecution?
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I do think that will hurt the prosecution because the culture of silence is the reason why you
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You're talking about gangs in open court, you know, that obviously don't want to be mentioned,
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I mean, Danny made it very clear that he was worried about his family in this testimony.
02:54:43.420
I do want to kind of hop on what Bob said in terms of affiliations with gang members.
02:54:49.420
I know that a lot of celebrities a lot of times do converse with gang members because you have
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to think about the music that they're making and the areas that they're going to, right?
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And some of these areas are actually guarded by certain groups, right?
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So you have to have the protection of those groups when you go to that area.
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So a lot of the times you will see celebrities have a relationship with gang members because
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They're doing shows and they're walking around with a lot of money.
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Here he is again, throwing up another gang sign with the bees.
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Celebrities do have these relationships and it's almost necessary to operate in these
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That might necessarily might not mean that you're part.
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You have to have some type of affiliation, especially if you're black.
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You got to have like some type of people vouching for you so you don't get taken to the cleaner
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But you need the protection of that gang to operate.
02:56:00.620
Now, obviously, I don't I'm not saying that this is the case with Melly, but what I am
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saying is it's not an anomaly for certain celebrities to know certain gang members so that they can
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be safe when they're traveling in these different areas.
02:56:17.100
That's some that's some good perspective there from you.
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There's not many cities that operate like that, like where he's from, Gifford, Georgia, which
02:56:29.880
You know, thanks for adding that bloop depth bloop dot Sammy from TikTok asks, Terry, if
02:56:36.320
Melly didn't have any gun residue on him, then why is he getting the charge?
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And that's why they cannot put that gun in his hand.
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And he's being charged because they believe he's the one.
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But he hasn't really been connected to, you know, being in that car, taking those shots,
02:57:01.020
The only thing that the prosecution, in my opinion, has firmly established is that and
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actually, this is not even that firmly established, is that Melly's DNA is in the back seat where
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And even that, I think, is questionable because at first, Melly's DNA didn't come back on anything.
02:57:21.380
And they did a second look on that door handle and they saw his DNA there.
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And that was just very recent in June of this year, frankly.
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I mean, there's a bunch of reasons why it might not have been found on the first time.
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You know, they didn't go to trial for five years.
02:57:49.220
You're trying to tell me they got his DNA somehow and put it on the door handle.
02:58:03.200
But at the end of the day, she's saying, oh, nothing places him in the car, et cetera.
02:58:08.800
There's CCTV footage of him literally getting in the backseat passenger seat.
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There's a phone location data proving that he was in the vehicle at the location where the shots happened, where the fake drive-by staging occurred.
02:58:23.780
They proved that also to corroborate that the phone was there.
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Because the detectives, right, once they did that phone search warrant, right, and they saw that Melly was really in that location, they went back.
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And when they went back, guess what they found, guys?
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They haven't talked about this in the trial yet, if I'm not mistaken.
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That all these things, the vehicle which Melly was in based on the phone location data was tracked back to a desolate location that YNW Portland did not tell the detectives about.
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Now, originally, the detectives did the search warrant, found the phone in that location, went to said location, found shards of glass, was able to connect those shards of glass to this vehicle.
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Like, yo, these law of crime people are very stupid.
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That's why I be listening to them sometimes and I'm like, bro, y'all are like, what are y'all talking about?
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What do you mean they don't have evidence that links Melly to the fucking situation?
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The phone is what led the police there in the first place.
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Remember, the original story was they got shot at a drive-by shooting on the highway, right?
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They weren't able to piece everything back together until they got, like, the phone data and tracked it back and they found the broken shards of glass where they staged this drive-by,
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which irrefutably proves that not only the vehicle was there, but Melly's phone was there on the location,
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which is then also corroborated by the CCTV footage, which shows that he got into that vehicle in the back left seat.
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And the medical examiner has already said that the shots came from inside the vehicle from right to fucking left, not right to left, like the fucking drive-by shooting is indicating.
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So, all of this evidence put together builds a very strong circumstantial case that leads you to only one fucking conclusion.
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In a desolate area right outside of Miramar, contrary to YW Portland's original statements of the police that said they got shot on the highway.
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And then the phone location data corroborates all of that, man.
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Like, what are these dudes at Law and Crime doing?
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What do you mean there's nothing linking Melly to the case?
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You know, they really have not connected those dots, I think, enough for that jury.
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Man, yo, this is going to be a month-long trial.
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Like, this is how I could tell that none of them read up on this case prior to this trial.
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Because all of them, they don't know what the evidence is going to come.
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I know the evidence is going to come because I've already studied this case.
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I already know it's damn near, you know, it's proven at this point.
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But it's very obvious to me that these guys didn't study this case prior to the trial.
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And this is the first time they've seen a lot of this evidence.
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And if you guys got questions about this, go watch my original Wine W. Melly breakdown.
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Where I have timestamps and I go through the police's affidavit, which outlines everything and how they built their case.
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Very well-written affidavit that documents all the evidence.
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And basically leads you to believe there's no other way this could have happened had it not been for Melly shooting them.
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All of Melly's friends lied, to include fucking Fredo Bang as well.
03:02:28.220
And if I'm going to speculate, okay, going here into a little bit of a conspiracy theory, I have reason to believe.
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Melly and I think Fredo Bang got rid of that gun together.
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Because we know that Melly was looking for a gun right after this shit happened.
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I think that's something the FBI would call a clue.
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And Fredo Bang lied to the police all over the place about where he was, where Melly was, etc.
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And they found through phone location data that he was lying and didn't go where he said he was.
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You know, shout out to Fredo Bang for keeping it in 1,000, covering for his friend.
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Why they decided to bring the charges against him.
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He was better off not talking to them at all than giving a bullshit story.
03:03:20.840
All these guys that gave a statement to the police, they were better off not talking at all.
03:03:23.800
They actually hurt Melly with their nonsensical lies.
03:03:29.940
You know, we saw we had the surveillance video of Melly in the vehicle.
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The question is, was he there when the shooting happened?
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And that's the question the jury is going to have to answer.
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Y'all are watching the same pod as I am, right?
03:03:54.660
The lady literally said, there's not anything connecting Melly.
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This is the vehicle that all the shots came in.
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It's coming on YouTube, Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook.
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We'll get to as many of them as we can when we come back.
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You telling me he got out the car in the middle of nowhere and didn't have his phone or wasn't with his phone?
03:04:57.100
We know that's a lie because Melly made a FaceTime call later that night in the same wooded, desolate area to his girlfriend.
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So we know for a fact he was in possession of the phone.
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Like, if the phone was not used after the murder, then he could say, oh, bro, I got dropped off on the side of the road.
03:05:19.600
But tell me how he had the phone an hour later and made a FaceTime call.
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I'm not out here like these guys hearing about this case for the first time, catching up on the trial.
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It's because you don't know all the evidence that's about to come.
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Like, these people, it's very obvious they didn't read the probable cause affidavit.
03:05:55.780
They didn't follow this case prior to the trial.
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They don't really know all the circumstances that led to the arrest in the first place.
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Like, bro, if you actually looked at this case and read that probable cause affidavit.
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I'm going to link that probable cause for y'all affidavit.
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And I'm going to link my video so you guys can actually, like, go through and watch this shit.
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Because you guys don't think I'm a crazy man here.
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Because it's wild to me how so many people try to debate me on this and argue me on this.
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I'll drop it in the chat for you guys right now.
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That they used to arrest him with all the facts that I broke down.
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And it's fucking about to be 1 p.m. in the afternoon.
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Do we still got this lunch break shit going on?
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Do y'all want me to read this affidavit for y'all?
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Give me a 1 p.m. if you guys want me to do the affidavit.
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Or two if y'all want to just keep watching the law and crime thing.
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Because it looks like the trial still hasn't begun.
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I'm only going to go for the affidavit until the trial's back.
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I'll read the affidavit until the trial's back.
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So what I will do is get my ugly mug off this joint and enlarge it for you.
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On 1026-18 at 435 a.m., Courtland Henry entered the emergency room at Memorial Miramar, requesting assistance for two passengers in his vehicle as they were shot multiple times.
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Officer Amengor, Miramar PD, who was working the security detail, exited the hospital and made contact with the aforementioned vehicle that was stopped in the loading zone on the north side of Memorial, his Miramar hospital ER entrance.
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Amengor, the police officer, requested medical staff in the removing of the two passengers.
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Both passengers were unresponsive, exhibited multiple gunshot wounds, the aforementioned vehicle, transporting both victims, also sustained.
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I'm realizing that it's like spazzing out on y'all.
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Let me do this real fast for y'all on the side.
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I'll play this for y'all while I do this shit on the side.
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How it happened and what was used, what gun was used in this shooting?
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Yeah, we know they recovered a .40 caliber round.
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And there was an area that they discussed and showed pictures of where there was some, you know, broken glass on the ground and things like that, where they are claiming that this happened.
03:12:32.840
So I'm sure the prosecution will tie this all together in their closing, but that's something we're still waiting to see, how they bring this all together in closing.
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One is from Tynaja Jania asking, why is this case being sentenced to death if they barely have evidence?
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The aforementioned vehicle transported both victims also sustained a minimum of eight projectile entry points on the right side exterior and one visible projectile entry point to the rear lift gate.
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The front right passenger, Anthony Williams, sustained gunshot wounds to his torso and head while the right rear passenger, Christopher Thomas Jr.
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Sustained several gunshot wounds to his back and head.
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Both passengers on the right side of the vehicle were pronounced deceased by medical staff at Memorial Miramar.
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According to him, he departed recording studio on Fort Lauderdale with two victims in his vehicle.
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Henry said he drove on I-595 to I-75 and exited at Miramar Parkway heading west.
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Henry stated that just past Southwest 160th Ave, a vehicle pulled next to him and started shooting.
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Henry immediately lowered his body position to the floorboards in a protective posture to avoid being shot.
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Henry added that when he sat upright, his friends Williams and Thomas were shot and he immediately proceeded to the nearest hospital.
03:14:21.920
Detective Toya later drove with Henry to have him identify the specific location of where the shooting occurred.
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Henry pointed out the 1600 block of Miramar Parkway.
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It should be noted the area was shut down between 160th and 172nd Ave on Miramar Parkway and was closely examined for any evidence to corroborate the statements made by Henry.
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After a long and exhausting examination, no evidence was found.
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The detectives and officers walked the 12 blocks out on foot.
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It should be noted not a single report of gunshots was reported to Broward County Communications Center nor Miami-Dade as well.
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It should be noted that the area between 172nd Ave and 184th Ave was closed down on 10-29-2018 and canvassed on foot by detectives and officers.
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Translation, the police, okay, went and looked at the area that Henry claimed that they were shot, okay?
03:15:24.600
Then Henry's hands were processed by Miramar Police Department of Crime Scene by submission for laboratory testing with Tri-Tech Gunshot Residue Evalanche Collection Kit and with the presumptive gunshot residue test.
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The presumptive gunshot residue test was negative.
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On 10-26, this afternoon, along with Detective LaToya, also, I want you guys to notice, he didn't mention that Melly got in the vehicle, okay?
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He said he departed the recording studio in Fort Lauderdale with the two victims in his vehicle.
03:15:59.440
On 10-28, your affidavit with Detective LaToya made contact with Dontavious Wither, who initially identified himself as Dontavious Williams at his address.
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This is the last known residence of the victims.
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According to Withers, they, Withers, Henry, Demons, Demons, by the way, is Melly, Thomas, Williams, and a few others, were at a recording studio in Fort Lauderdale and all left together in two separate vehicles.
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Withers stated he arrived a little ahead of the victims at the aforementioned residence.
03:16:32.000
Withers stated it wasn't until later that he found out his friends were shot.
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Withers said that Demons was in his vehicle, a red Mitsubishi.
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I'm about to show y'all how stupid people really are here.
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I don't know who in particular, but you can see their car.
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So right now, I guess Portland hasn't lied, has he?
03:17:42.580
I don't know who this guy is, but I think he's also going to get in the red Mitsubishi.
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If you guys notice, it looks like it's weighed down a little bit, doesn't it?
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Now, I think all of y'all in the chat got two eyes like I do, correct?
03:19:04.140
Wither said that Demons was in his vehicle, a red Mitsubishi.
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And the great Jeep was occupied by Henry, Williams, and Thomas.
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Y'all see now that I just started this affidavit, by the way,
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You know, I'm telling y'all, the way I talk about this case so confidently
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is because I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
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Like, nigga, look at what his friends are saying.
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Withers was asked if he knew the location of Demons,
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However, it was later discovered that Withers was lying to this affian.
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And see, Withers had just come from the residence of Frederick Givens,
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I'll put, put in the chat for y'all on the Melly case.
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I don't know that they're so gruesome as to, uh,
03:20:45.040
The location of the recording studio was identified as 805 Northeast.
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Detective Sway and Bertrand made contact with management.
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The manager of the studio, Albert Price, confirmed.
03:20:56.760
We already went over the, the, the surveillance footage I just showed y'all.
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They say, um, it should be noted that demons had a light brown satchel hanging down on the left side of his body.
03:21:11.680
The satchel appeared to be weighed down, but the contents were unknown.
03:21:15.540
Departed studio, he was carrying a black satchel in his left hand.
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That satchel also appeared to be weighed down as well.
03:21:19.960
The gray Jeep and with the above list individuals, the part of the area, the red Mitsubishi being driven by Withers.
03:21:26.040
So Withers was the driver of the red Mitsubishi and Adrian Davis, two others followed behind.
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As stated earlier, Withers, uh, proceeded directly to his residence in Miramar.
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This was confirmed by the security cameras at the gatehouse of the Sunset Lakes located at 3,500 block.
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And they know this because of the surveillance cameras at his apartment.
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On 1026-118, a search warrant was issued in the case for the vehicle driven by Henry occupied with Thomas Williams and demons.
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The vehicle is maintained in a secure storage at the Miramar PD.
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The vehicle is owned by enterprise rental car and rented by the manager of demons, Jameson Frank Coy.
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I'm almost certain this is track 100, his manager.
03:22:14.120
The evidence was processed by, processed by CSI.
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The vehicle had eight visible projectile holes on the right side of the vehicle.
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There was also projectile hole on the rear left gate.
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All evidence was collected and placed into evidence.
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It should be noted that one single .40 caliber shell casing blazer as Smith & Wesson was found inside the vehicle on the floorboard of the left rear passenger side.
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Please explain to me, guys, how you have a shell casing where Melly was sitting when you guys were allegedly hit in a drive-by shooting.
03:23:03.320
So they're poking holes all over Portland's story.
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It was found inside a white plastic bag on the floorboard.
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This was the seat that was utilized by demons as observed on video.
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The single shell casing also contradicts statements made by Henry, stating this incident was a drive-by shooting.
03:23:20.780
This supports evidence that the victims were shot inside the car first, and the protectile holes on the exterior was later staged in an effort to misdirect law enforcement investigation.
03:23:30.780
The next day, this AFIA made contact with Withers in Vero Beach.
03:23:33.980
After confronting Withers with the video evidence, Withers then changed his story.
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He said Withers added demons was in a gray Jeep initially, but along the way, he got out of the Jeep and entered his red Mitsubishi.
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Withers stated this occurred on I-75 near the Sheridan Street exit.
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Withers stated he was contacted by demons via Snapchat to pull over on I-75 and meet up.
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They get a search warrant on cell phone sites used by demons, Withers, Williams, and Thomas.
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So I'm going to go ahead and do search warrants on all of your f***ing phones and see where you a**holes really were.
03:24:24.900
It was determined that Withers did proceed to the residence and arrived at said location around 3.49 a.m.
03:24:33.440
This was also confirmed by video at the gate to Sunset Lakes.
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These records also showed a continuous route from the studio to the residence without a stop or delay in between.
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Because he said that he stopped, right, to pick him up on I-75.
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But the phone location data shows that this niggas drove straight f***ing home.
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To his gated community where it has a bunch of cameras catching his a** showing up there.
03:25:16.480
The cell site for the cell phones of Demas, Thomas, and Williams revealed they traveled west on Miramar Parkway
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but turned north on southwest 84th Ave towards Pine Boulevard and then turned west on Pines Boulevard.
03:25:27.340
Video evidence shows the gray Jeep Compass traveling west of the 1900-19200 block at 353 and returned east at 406.
03:25:36.320
Cell site data from Demas' phone correspond with the actual crime scene location,
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which is within the jurisdictional limits of Miramar, Broward County, Florida.
03:25:45.280
Williams' cell phone also registered at the same location as Demas.
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The cell phone for Thomas registered on a cell tower near the crime scene
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but separate and apart from the false reported drive-by location.
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This evidence contradicts statements made by Henry at the hospital.
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These records also don't show Demas meeting up with Withers and proceeding home with him.
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Bro, how many times do I got to keep dunking, man?
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Remember, the cell phone location data is irrefutable, okay?
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They went the extra step and pulled the surveillance footage just to show that his ass went straight home
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and never stopped on no fucking I-75 to pick Melly up.
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This means that Melly was in the Jeep the entire time,
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as shown on his vehicle, contrary to his friend's statements, man.
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Bro, it's incredible to me how people just don't want to accept reality.
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I could keep going or we can go back to law and order.
03:27:08.960
Give me a one if you guys want me to just go back to law and order,
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or two if you guys want me to keep reading this affidavit and show you guys the inconsistencies.
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One, if you guys want me to go to the Law Network, the chat, the trial hasn't started yet,
03:27:25.880
or two, if you guys want me to keep reading this affidavit.
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Before I keep reading this affidavit, you guys want the affidavit.
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T-Mobile cell phone records also show that Demons was traveling from Fort Lauderdale
03:27:54.560
in a western direction starting at 3.20 until the time of the shooting at 10.26, 8th, 2018.
03:28:01.240
This was consistent with video evidence obtained in this case.
03:28:04.420
The records show Demons traveling back in an eastern direction
03:28:07.200
with the location of the crime scene being in the path of travel.
03:28:10.520
It should be noted that the original crime scene identified by Henry was a false location.
03:28:17.920
Well, we know that the detectives scoured that area for evidence
03:28:22.620
and even closed that area down, but they didn't find shit.
03:28:26.280
No bullet casings, no glass, no blood, no residue, nothing.
03:28:32.480
Because Portland lied about where the shooting actually occurred.
03:28:36.620
But now that the police are armed with the cell phone location data,
03:28:45.180
This investigation revealed that Henry intentionally lied to this investigator
03:28:48.300
and others to deceive and mislead the investigation
03:28:51.540
pertaining to the homicides of Thomas Williams.
03:28:53.480
The same cell records, now we're still talking about Mellie here,
03:28:56.340
show the cell phones of Demons and Williams moving around the area of I-75
03:28:59.180
and Pembroke Pines at 425 prior to entering the hospital at 435.
03:29:03.000
The records of Demons also indicate a departure from the vehicle at 432 a.m.
03:29:08.540
Video evidence shows Henry arriving at the hospital with Thomas and Williams
03:29:16.960
he separated from the cell phone belonging to Williams around 432.
03:29:19.820
This was according to the records provided by T-Mobile via a search warrant issued
03:29:25.380
Evidence shows that Henry and Demons drove around for a period of time
03:29:29.600
with the two dead victims in their vehicle prior to entering the hospital.
03:29:33.480
This was in a calculated effort to establish the version of the incident
03:29:38.720
Video evidence obtained from the hospital shows Henry had changed his clothes.
03:29:42.460
When Henry departed the studio, he was wearing a black t-shirt.
03:29:47.860
Man, right here, he is, in fucking 4K, nigga wearing a t-shirt, okay?
03:29:58.360
But, when he went to the hospital, he was wearing a black hoodie.
03:30:01.740
You know what? Let's go all the way with this shit.
03:30:03.260
Y'all niggas don't believe me? Look at this shit, bro.
03:30:13.520
Look, they got the car, on footage, driving around.
03:30:16.700
Look, there he is right there, wearing a fucking hoodie.
03:30:35.620
The black hoodie was later examined, and no forensic evidence was noted.
03:30:42.160
However, the black t-shirt worn under the hoodie by the Henry had a bloodstained pad on it, both front and back.
03:30:50.040
On 11-21-2018, Officer D. Goins of the Fort Lauderdale K-9 unit with K-9 gunner was requested to assist in searching the area identified as suspect crime scene from the phone records within the jurisdiction of Miramar Broward County, Florida.
03:31:03.400
So, guys, the phone location data shows that they were in a random area in Miramar that Portland purposely did not tell the police about.
03:31:10.820
So, let's see what happens when they go to this area.
03:31:16.620
The K-9 showed a reaction to an area on the side of the road approximately 870 feet from this nearest north-south running cross street.
03:31:27.040
A closer examination revealed a total of eight .40-caliber blazer Smith & Wesson shell casings on the ground next to the roadway in the shoulder.
03:32:31.580
It was a snapshot, but you can see eight shots on the side of the vehicle.
03:32:35.080
And what did the police find at the crime scene?
03:32:45.880
The Smith & Wesson that was found in the back left passenger seat in the back.
03:32:54.120
So, the bullets that were found at the scene was also the same bullets found in the car, man.
03:33:06.700
Two different types of shards of glass were found in close proximity to the shell casings.
03:33:11.700
The first type of glass was a clear glass consistent with the front right passenger window of the vehicle.
03:33:16.640
And the second type was a tinted glass consistent with the right rear passenger side window of the aforementioned vehicle.
03:33:27.660
A closer examination of a newly discovered crime scene revealed the vehicle was stopped at this location and weapons were discharged into the vehicle.
03:33:37.680
The other side of the road had shards of glass consistent with the passenger windows of the vehicle.
03:33:43.580
This was also a contradiction to the statement made by Henry on the morning of the shooting at the hospital to this affiant.
03:33:50.620
And no other vehicle pulled next to them and started shooting as stated by Henry.
03:33:54.160
This clearly shows a pattern of deceitfulness by Henry in an effort to mislead this investigation.
03:33:58.740
Bro, I mean, yo, do I got to keep cooking here, man?
03:34:13.320
And I tell y'all that these law and order niggas are retarded.
03:34:18.880
They went back to the scene that the cell phone showed that they were at and found eight spent cell casings.
03:34:25.640
I forgot about this, by the way, that matched one of the cell casings in the vehicle.
03:34:33.780
And they found the shards of glass that matched the fucking rental vehicle.
03:34:45.840
Now that y'all saw all this, you guys haven't even heard all the evidence yet.
03:34:50.580
Give me a one in the chat if you think Melly is guilty.
03:34:53.240
Give me a two in the chat if you think he's innocent.
03:35:07.080
I didn't even go all the way and read the affidavit for y'all.
03:35:49.860
Let the right reflect the importance of the defendant.
03:35:52.160
I'm just happy to assist the state attorney, the ladies and gentlemen, the jury.
03:35:57.860
Ladies and gentlemen, we both the state of the law and the case in chief.
03:36:01.100
I'm going to ask the attorney to call her next witness, please.
03:36:34.920
Do you call him to swear our affirmative testimony to get in this case?
03:36:38.020
He sees the whole truth and nothing but our truth.
03:36:40.700
Please take your whole little name for the right.
03:36:43.880
All right, guys, while they're swearing her in, I just put a, what's it called, a poll in
03:36:57.260
Basically, did me reading the affidavit reveal info you didn't know and convince you?
03:37:14.160
For those of you that are just joining us, this is the medical examiner in the Mellie
03:37:19.340
case is probably going to be the prosecution, the most important witness.
03:37:35.800
Can you please introduce yourself to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury?
03:37:42.440
I work at the Park County Medical Examiner's Office.
03:37:45.660
What is your title at the Park County Medical Examiner's Office?
03:37:50.420
How long have you been the Chief Medical Examiner?
03:38:01.040
Okay, with your permission, doctor, you can do the math because I'm not good at it.
03:38:08.780
Prior to being the Chief Medical Examiner, what other positions have you held at the Brown
03:38:14.820
So in 2010, I was a fellow, which is your last year of training before you become a forensic
03:38:24.940
From July 1st of 2010 to June 30th of 2011, I stayed at Howard County from July 1st of
03:38:34.920
2011 until November of 2015 as an associate medical examiner.
03:38:40.820
I went up to Palm Beach County and I was an associate medical examiner in Palm Beach County
03:38:47.420
She's going over her training experience, which makes her qualified to testify.
03:38:53.760
17, and I've been an associate there until June of 2021.
03:38:58.980
So 13 years as a forensicologist, two years as chief.
03:39:05.620
So have you worked at any other medical examiner's offices as well on a temporary basis?
03:39:11.820
So when I was an associate medical examiner, I worked to go for a long weekend and help
03:39:18.920
in other districts in Florida that are short-staffed.
03:39:22.460
So I did that in Volusia County and I did it in Pinellas Pasco County.
03:39:27.340
Can you describe to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what does a forensic pathologist
03:39:33.620
We are charged with determining cause and manner of death in cases that come under the
03:39:41.980
jurisdiction of our office based on Florida statute and administrative code.
03:39:49.100
And what is the jurisdiction of the office that you currently work for as the chief of
03:39:58.140
You mentioned that you determine cause and manner of death.
03:40:03.940
So cause of death is the initiating event that leads to death.
03:40:13.240
If someone has cystic fibrosis, diabetes mellitus, if somebody falls off a ladder and gets a brain
03:40:21.300
bleed, if someone's in a motor vehicle accident and they pass away.
03:40:35.060
There's natural cystic fibrosis, diabetes, heart disease, accident.
03:40:42.360
You fall off that ladder and you get a brain bleed, motor vehicle, collision, suicide, which
03:40:49.860
is when a person takes their own life, so at their own hands, homicide, which for the forensic
03:41:00.880
And sometimes, no matter how many medical records we review, how many tests we do at the autopsy, we
03:41:13.460
And in those cases, they're best classified as undetermined.
03:41:32.960
So it's an examination after somebody passes away to determine what caused their death.
03:41:43.940
Any injuries, they might have medical records if they're available, if they're needed.
03:41:52.940
We can do microbiology testing, so cultures, viral, bacterial.
03:42:00.940
It just depends on the circumstances surrounding the death, decides which path we take on what
03:42:11.940
So, Doctor, tell us a little bit about what training and education you had to become the
03:42:19.940
So I did my undergraduate degree in biology at the University of Texas.
03:42:24.940
I went to medical school, which is another four years, at the Health Science Center in Houston,
03:42:34.940
I did a four-year anatomic and clinical pathology residency at Texas Tech University
03:42:39.940
in Lubbock, Texas, and then finished it with my one-year fellowship in Broward County.
03:42:44.940
And in terms of exposure to cadavers or dead bodies during your medical school years,
03:42:53.940
So the first 18 weeks of medical school is gross anatomy.
03:42:59.940
She's, again, I know this is monotonous, but she's doing this to establish the witness's
03:43:04.940
I know she has a mask on, but you guys got to remember some of these medical professionals
03:43:07.940
are kooks, but that does not disqualify their expertise when it comes to being able to
03:43:11.940
testify to, you know, a murdered person's wounds and establishing if they were alive or
03:43:18.940
You know, to be honest, like, that's very simple for someone of her caliber to decipher.
03:43:22.940
So she's probably overqualified for this testimony, even though she, you know, she's wearing
03:43:34.940
So back when I, any uterus, any prostate, any cancer, all come to you in the pathology lab
03:43:44.940
at the hospital, and you then diagnose and stage the cancers or the appendicitis or fallopian tubes.
03:43:53.940
You know, anything that comes out of an operating room travels through the pathology apartment
03:43:59.940
And did you work as a pathology assistant as well?
03:44:04.940
So during my residency, um, I would, so it's called grossing in, um, pathology specimens
03:44:14.940
Do you teach in the areas of forensic pathology?
03:44:20.940
So we have, you know, public defender attorneys.
03:44:25.940
We have private attorneys, law enforcement, um, medical students, EMTs, nurses, nurse practitioners,
03:44:36.940
For COVID they didn't, but we're starting that up again.
03:44:39.940
Um, so they can learn about disease, the natural disease process and also, you know, autopsies.
03:44:46.940
Do you participate in any boards or panels such as the child death review in Broward County?
03:44:51.940
I do the child death review, um, which means once a month when we talk about, um, children
03:44:58.940
I do the opioid death review once a month where we talk about, um, the drug overdoses that
03:45:12.940
Um, once a month they have their separate hospital meeting.
03:45:16.940
And then the fourth meeting once a month with everybody together to talk about trauma cases.
03:45:21.940
Um, the people that passed away in Broward County due to trauma.
03:45:25.940
So in terms of the amount of time that you spend in the more actually doing autopsies now,
03:45:34.940
Um, so I, basically I work every holiday, um, so that my docs can have long weekends and
03:45:42.940
And then if we're especially busy in the morgue, I will pop in and do a case or two.
03:45:48.940
So prior to becoming the chief medical examiner, what percentage of your work was actually performing
03:46:02.940
You know, or we do probably five autopsies every time we're on service.
03:46:08.940
We don't have to autopsy every person that comes to the medical examiner's office.
03:46:13.940
Sometimes they come, especially in the fall and in the winter, um, are snowbirds.
03:46:19.940
You know, we usually have a very well documented medical history.
03:46:23.940
But if they die in Broward County without a physician in Broward County as their primary
03:46:28.940
care doctor, then they have to come to our office so somebody can sign their death certificate.
03:46:34.940
If you die in Broward County, your death certificate has to be signed by someone that's licensed
03:46:42.940
So if they come from New York with six months worth of medicines and their primary care docs
03:46:47.940
in New York, because that's where they live half the year, then they have to come through
03:46:54.940
Um, and then we can review medical records and just do an external examination on those
03:47:05.940
I am licensed in Florida, Texas, Mississippi, and New Jersey.
03:47:13.940
This might be annoying or whatever, but, uh, again, the prosecutors doing this on purpose
03:47:18.940
to establish, um, competency, professionalism, this, the subjects credibility.
03:47:27.940
So she has to go through this to show that this woman knows what the fuck she's talking
03:47:31.940
about because she's about to be their key witness.
03:47:34.940
So the prosecutor is going to prop her up and the highest level of authority to show all
03:47:38.940
her credentials to the jury, to show that she is absolutely overqualified to get the
03:47:46.940
This is, I mean, depending on the subject matter expert, depending on how important
03:47:51.940
their testimony is, will typically have the prosecutor asking the individual more qualifying
03:47:57.940
questions to show their level of expertise to build more and more credibility for the jury.
03:48:03.940
So it's going to be harder for the defense to attack her professional opinions later.
03:48:08.940
That's why she's doing this because she knows the defense is going to try to attack her
03:48:13.940
So she's doing this to establish a foundation that y'all can't fuck with this bitch.
03:48:17.940
She might be crazy with a mask, but she knows what she's talking about.
03:48:24.940
Every 10 years, you would have to take another board exam.
03:48:28.940
Now, a year ago, they decided that we could just answer 15 questions every three months.
03:48:35.940
And as long as we maintain a certain percentage on those questions, then we would not have to
03:48:45.940
Uh, doc, when you hear her, let me know what you think of her credentials.
03:48:50.940
Um, cause some of the people here in the audience might not understand even myself, some of the
03:48:55.940
jargon that's being thrown here with, you know, certification, all this other stuff.
03:49:03.940
So Dr. McDougall, with regards to the number of autopsies that you have performed during
03:49:10.940
Have you had the opportunity to come to court before to testify in the, as an expert in the
03:49:27.940
You're at this time, I would send your counselor for Blood Island in the area of expertise?
03:49:37.940
So you mentioned earlier that there's a definition as to homicide for a forensic pathologist.
03:49:49.940
Did you have an opportunity to become involved in a investigation under the Broward Medical
03:49:58.940
You got another doctor verifying her credibility.
03:50:00.940
Basically, she went to medical school residency and fellowship and his license to practice
03:50:12.940
So, I was the medical exam on service that day.
03:50:19.940
So, this case came in at like 4.45 in the morning, I believe, 5 o'clock in the morning.
03:50:34.940
Broward County Medical Examiner's Office has a fellowship program.
03:50:45.940
And our fellow Dr. Sauter took the other case, the companion case in this case.
03:51:00.940
So, you said you performed the autopsy individual who later became known to as Anthony Williams.
03:51:04.940
And that you said it was the last year for you?
03:51:06.940
In terms of what is your role in supervising the fellow?
03:51:10.940
So, there are five associate medical examiners in my office and one deputy chief medical examiner.
03:51:15.940
So, when the fellow is on service with you, it is your responsibility to be there.
03:51:25.940
They've done probably 50 autopsies in their residency.
03:51:30.940
They've done probably 50 autopsies in their residency.
03:51:31.940
So, there are five associate medical examiners in my office and one deputy chief medical examiner.
03:51:33.940
So, when the fellow is on service with you, it is your responsibility to be there.
03:51:47.940
They've done probably 50 autopsies in their residency.
03:51:53.940
So, the first month or two, you're right there by them.
03:51:57.940
But as they graduate and show you that they're competent, that they know what they're doing,
03:52:02.940
then they will do their autopsies and come to you if they have any questions.
03:52:07.940
You're also responsible for reviewing their report before it's signed out.
03:52:13.940
So, in this case with regards to the autopsies of Anthony Williams, were there photographs that were taken?
03:52:20.940
So, would the photographs help explain and illustrate to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury the process and how that is under the .
03:52:28.940
So, you're showing what's been two weeks to jump to the defense council as marked as a triple Z for identification purposes only.
03:52:38.940
Dr. McDougal, did you have an opportunity to look through those photos?
03:52:44.940
Did they fairly and accurately depict the autopsy of one Anthony Williams on October 26th of 2018?
03:52:50.940
Did they reflect the Broward County Medical Examiner's Office case number that was assigned?
03:52:56.940
Here at this time, the state would request to remove state triple Z in at state 73.
03:53:09.940
So, now they are composite 23 photos and one USB.
03:53:18.940
So, Doctor, before we get into the actual photos, can you explain what the seeing visit
03:53:38.940
So, the medical examiner by statute and administrative code has jurisdiction over a body.
03:53:47.940
So, when a decedent passes away on the scene, the medical examiner and or the investigator
03:54:00.940
These individuals were transported to the hospital.
03:54:05.940
So, therefore, at the time of the examination, there was no scene to visit.
03:54:11.940
So, I'm going to go to the board and how do you receive the body of Mr. Williams?
03:54:16.940
So, when the body leaves the hospital, it actually, the two zippers on the bag get a seal put through
03:54:31.940
So, these two, this individual came straight into our office and then probably within an hour
03:54:41.940
So, the bag is sealed at the hospital, comes to our office.
03:54:48.940
The very first photograph we take is a photograph of that seal so we can show that it's, it's
03:54:54.940
still intact and it must be broken by the medical examiner on duty.
03:55:01.940
And did you receive it from the body of Mr. Williams in this way?
03:55:06.940
What, in the picture that we're looking at, which is, and we put on number two as numbers
03:55:10.940
for the purposes of the record, what does this picture show?
03:55:15.940
So, this is one end of the body bag with the two zippers in place with the red seal between
03:55:30.940
So, that is the 3,118th case for the medical exam in the year 2018.
03:55:39.940
That is a unique identifying number for this case and will be in every photograph that is
03:55:48.940
For the purposes of orientation, the letters, the top of the A in almost each photograph,
03:56:01.940
So, every photograph that we see, the case number, to look at it properly, the head
03:56:09.940
should be above the number when you're looking at it the right way.
03:56:14.940
So, prior to opening the bag, is there a scan or some sort of x-ray system?
03:56:20.940
So, Broward County is lucky enough to have what's called a LODOX.
03:56:31.940
So, every single case that comes into our office gets both an AP, which is the front
03:56:38.940
to back, and a lateral, which is from the side, x-ray.
03:56:48.940
But, if you could describe some ladies and gentlemen and enjoy what that means.
03:56:51.940
So, the anterior and posterior, so the beam of the radiation is going through.
03:56:55.940
When you look at the body, it's the way you would see.
03:57:00.940
I just want y'all to pay attention to what she's talking about.
03:57:10.940
They're going to need a fucking wrecking ball to take me out of here!
03:57:27.940
Then we do one that's a lateral, where the beam goes...
03:57:33.940
Through the side of the body, so we get the side.
03:57:35.940
That allows us, especially if we're looking for foreign objects in a body.
03:57:40.940
If I only have a picture front to back, I can tell about where it is, front to back.
03:57:48.940
Is it right up here, or is it closer to the back of the body?
03:57:54.940
So, I can see where in space, in 2D, not as good as 3D, right?
03:57:59.940
But I had a 2D orientation of where that form of an object might be.
03:58:04.940
In terms of when you're describing your findings, you do them in anatomical positions.
03:58:10.940
And could you describe what that is to the length of a living?
03:58:19.940
What kind of position is with your hands out like this, pulmonary surface forward?
03:58:26.940
When you are describing your findings in anatomical position, are you in any way suggesting that
03:58:32.940
was the position of the body within when any injuries or defects were put to the pulmonary?
03:58:39.940
To go back before we go into the photos of the autopsy itself, could you describe to the ladies
03:58:44.940
and gentlemen the journey, what you do during an autopsy?
03:58:50.940
So the first thing that the pathologist will do is break that seal.
03:58:54.940
She's breaking down what she does at the autopsy before they show the photos.
03:59:05.940
These are photographs that are taken before we do anything to the body.
03:59:16.940
Once that is done, then we'll take the body out of the body bag.
03:59:32.940
Once we're satisfied with those photographs, then we will clean the body.
03:59:37.940
And once the body is clean, then we will take overall photographs again with the body cleaned.
03:59:43.940
Then we will take both an orientation shot and a close-up shot of any defects, scars, or identifying marks.
03:59:54.940
So after you've done, it sounds like an external examination, is there another part of the autopsy procedure?
04:00:03.940
And when you're doing the internal examination, what do you do?
04:00:05.940
So we're looking for any kind of injury, disease, anything that's abnormal, right?
04:00:14.940
So we look at all of the organs, weigh all the organs, and complete our exam.
04:00:22.940
So I'm going to go back to what was labeled as photo one.
04:00:28.940
And so if we can describe what we are looking at here on photo one.
04:00:49.940
So in terms of the different colors and things that we are looking at in this, what do you see that is medically significant?
04:00:56.940
I'm not a radiologist, but what I will tell you is that this is a projectile, and there are projectile fragments in that.
04:01:21.940
In terms of any of the other things on this that are...
04:01:26.940
These are all buttons, I think, from the hospital again.
04:01:31.940
So it's just artifacts from the clothing that he's wearing.
04:01:44.940
So this is one of our overall photographs that we take once the body has been cleaned.
04:01:50.940
What you can see in this photograph is what later becomes known as an entrance gunshot wound, a defect of circular...
04:01:58.940
Law of crime is probably debating if they're going to show this, so let's see what happens.
04:02:07.940
...dirty pictures of the hands, and then we take a clean picture of the hands.
04:02:20.940
...wounds are usually wounds that are on the extremities.
04:02:33.940
Any part of your extremities that can move to block your core from any kinds of injuries.
04:02:45.940
...your legs, your arms, or your hands will get in the way of something that's coming out.
04:02:51.940
All right, guys, I'm going to look for another stream that's showing the photos.
04:02:58.940
I guarantee there's got to be other people that are covering this case that might be not pussies to show the photos.
04:03:06.940
But I'm going to search on the side while I keep this rolling.
04:03:24.940
So we're going to move on to what's been labeled as entrance wound B.
04:03:32.940
Can you describe with the ladies and gentlemen the jury where this wound on this gunshot wound B entrance wound is?
04:03:43.940
In terms of, do you document in your report the distance from the top of the head?
04:03:55.940
So that wound is 19 and a quarter inches below the top of the head.
04:04:01.940
And in terms of the left to right distance, how far is that?
04:04:05.940
It's one half inch right of the anterior midline.
04:04:10.940
And can you define for the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what is a perforating gunshot wound?
04:04:18.940
So for gunshot wounds, for forensic knowledge, there's two kinds.
04:04:34.940
I have an entrance, and I have an exit, and I don't collect a projectile.
04:04:39.940
And so Dr. Kugel, so the ladies and gentlemen of the jury have an idea.
04:04:43.940
How many autopsies have you done in which gunshot wounds have been a cause of death?
04:04:56.940
The gunshot wound that we're looking at right here, is there anything about soot, stippling,
04:05:14.940
Snippling, guys, the burn marks that get on the skin after someone is shot close contact.
04:05:24.940
And for gunshot wounds, we are tasked with trying to determine the range of fire.
04:05:31.940
There is what's called a contact gunshot wound, which means that the muzzle...
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If it was me, I would show y'all this shit, man.
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Put the guns up against the target when the gun goes off.
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In those cases, you have a nice, round deposition of...
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If somebody got the links, throw it in the chat.
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With an intermediate gunshot wound, if you take your gunshot wound,
04:06:18.940
you take your target and your gun, and you move away from your target.
04:06:25.940
So you're far enough away now that you're not going to leave a nice ring of foot.
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You're going to get something that's called stipple.
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So the gunpowder coming out of the gun will tattoo the skin.
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You will get a nice pattern, a spray of stipple on the skin.
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With indeterminate gunshot wounds, that either means that the muzzle of the gun is far enough
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away from the target that all the gunpowder falls off before the protectile hits the body.
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Or, there's something in the way of the skin, between the skin and the weapon,
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that any evidence of close range firing would be on that clothing.
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If you have someone that's shot in the chest, you'd want to look for evidence of close range firing
04:07:22.940
on what they're wearing, because it has to go through that before it hits the body.
04:07:27.940
And that gunpowder is not going to get to the skin, because the clothes are in the way.
04:07:32.940
And so, doctor, I want to make sure I understand, on intermediate?
04:07:46.940
Is any of that your area of expertise where you would recreate that?
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And on intermediate gunshot wounds, is there a textbook answer for distance?
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So, the textbook answer is three inches to three feet.
04:08:05.940
In terms of without having a specific weapon, can you get any more...
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The best way to get the distance on a certain person would be to take the exact
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same gun, with the exact same ammunition, with a white sheet of paper, right?
04:08:30.940
Until you get far enough away that the distance of your simple pattern on your paper matches
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If you don't have a pattern, can you do that recreation?
04:08:44.940
So, continuing on talking about the lit wound label B, how can you tell if that is an entrance
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So, entrance wounds classically have something called a rhythm of abrasion.
04:09:01.940
So, on this particular French Hutton label B, I have a marginal rhythm of abrasion.
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So, the entrance is right here, and the rim of abrasion is this piece of...
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So, Dr. McDowell, why is there more rim of abrasion on one side than the other?
04:09:36.940
So, when you're looking at gunshot wounds, what that tells you is that the projectile
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Now, she's going to talk about wound patterns in the side.
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If it hits a target skin straight on, you'll get what's called a circumferential rim of abrasion,
04:09:59.940
which means the rim of abrasion goes all the way around the circle.
04:10:03.940
If it enters from the right side of the body at an angle, and then the right side of that
04:10:10.940
circular gunshot wound is going to have a marginal abrasion.
04:10:13.940
If it enters from the bottom, that abrasion is going to be along the bottom.
04:10:21.940
Left-hand side, the rim of abrasion will be on the left-hand side.
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So, I'm going to go back to the previous photo.
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If you could then explain and show on this what direction the projectile is coming from.
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So, the projectile is coming from his right-hand side.
04:10:41.940
Moving on to the next photo here, which is labeled as photo number 14 on this.
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So, on the top of his right shoulder is the third entrance gunshot wound.
04:10:58.940
And the third entrance gunshot wound, was that given a label?
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Do you document the height and weight of the decedent when he's first run in?
04:11:30.940
And can you convert that 76 inches to feet, please?
04:11:37.940
In terms of the photo that we're looking at here, on this particular wound, which is later assigned
04:11:55.940
So, this is a penetrating, so it has an entrance room to nowhere.
04:11:59.940
Man, I really wish that we had these photos, man.
04:12:03.940
They're scared to fucking get demonetized properly.
04:12:12.940
Sometimes, you just gotta do it for the people, man.
04:12:24.940
Going on to what's labeled as A. Can you explain to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury where
04:12:37.940
Is that consistent with the medical examiner's office number that was assigned for the
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Prior to coming into court today, did you have an opportunity to place markings on this
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styrofoam head to approximate the locations of the wounds on Mr. Williams?
04:12:56.940
And would this help and assist in demonstrating to the jury what, where those wounds were in
04:13:04.940
They will, they will show the wound path as well.
04:13:07.940
So, Your Honor, this might state pass the window into the cinema.
04:13:11.940
They would just, uh, they would just, like, probably give it an age restriction because
04:13:16.940
They wouldn't, in this room, the detective said they would strike the channel.
04:13:19.940
It's just that they're scared because they don't want to get a yellow check.
04:13:27.940
I show shit to y'all, even if it's going to get me yellow check, because sometimes it's
04:13:33.940
To assist the witness in explaining or illustrating her testimony.
04:13:37.940
As I said, the testimony of the witness is the evidence.
04:13:42.940
It is, uh, not to be considered by U.S. evidence in the case unless it's delayed or received
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Only items that are actually received in evidence would be, uh, going back with you, uh, to the
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And so, Dr. McDougal, could be kind enough to show where on that head would be entrance wound
04:14:03.940
So the approximate, um, position of that entrance wound is about right here.
04:14:12.940
And you said this was a what type of gunshot wound?
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This is a perforating gunshot wound, which means I have an entrance and an exit.
04:14:21.940
Yeah, look, yeah, they're the only ones streaming this shit, which kind of sucks.
04:14:34.940
And how is, I'm going to skip ahead to that exit, which is E.
04:14:46.940
The approximate location of the exit wound on this damage, which is, is an upright turn.
04:14:53.940
For the wounds A to E, as labeled on the photos, was that wound fatal?
04:15:02.940
What injuries were associated with the wound trap of A to E?
04:15:06.940
So that projectile goes through the scalp, um, the skull, the dura matter,
04:15:16.940
There is subgalial, subdural, and subarachnoid hemorrhage, and multiple fractures of the bones
04:15:37.940
So your scalp, right, your head, the skin that's on your head, when you reflect it back, okay,
04:15:51.940
So if you have hemorrhage in the underside of the skin on your head, that's a subgalial hemorrhage.
04:16:11.940
Uh, cause we, we got an actual doctor in the house.
04:16:16.940
Well, you have a cover on your brain that is called dura matter.
04:16:22.940
So you have your brain, you have this dura matter, and then your skull.
04:16:29.940
So if I have subdural hemorrhage, sub means underneath, I have blood between the brain and the dura.
04:16:43.940
The arachnoid is a very fine membrane that covers the brain.
04:16:52.940
So there are different spaces within the cranial cavity where blood collects.
04:17:00.940
If you could just make sure that that word is defined in your context as a forensic pathologist.
04:17:08.940
All of us non-doctors here, Dr. B84 says she's explaining how a gun causes a head bleed.
04:17:13.940
Like how you bump into something or have some sort of trauma.
04:17:25.940
Fnet mods are qualified in many discipline facts.
04:17:33.940
There's a very small abrasion margin around that wound.
04:17:40.940
It means it's all the way around the whole thing as opposed to a marginal abrasion, which
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we saw before, which is just on one part of the entrance wound.
04:17:50.940
This abrasion encompasses the whole entrance wound.
04:17:53.940
The wound track or pattern, were there fragments that were recovered along this wound track?
04:18:06.940
The current council was in previous remarks at States quadruple B.
04:18:15.940
Dr. Madrigal, prior to coming into court today, did you have the opportunity to review the items
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inside States quadruple B outside of the presence of the jury?
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Those are the projectile fried with separate collected at the autopsy.
04:18:31.940
And are they in the same or essentially same condition as when they were collected?
04:18:39.940
You're at this time, the state would request to move States quadruple B in at State 74.
04:18:52.940
So they're admitting evidence in right now, guys.
04:18:55.940
That's where all these funny numbers and everything else comes in.
04:18:58.940
I think she signed and sealed it for the chain of custody evidence.
04:19:07.940
Abrasions are usually only associated with entrance wounds.
04:19:15.940
And when we look at wound E, we'll see that it's a lacerated defect.
04:19:21.940
In terms of any sort of soot, stippling, did you note that on this particular injury?
04:19:33.940
So I called the range of fire on this case indeterminate.
04:19:46.940
So, you know, indeterminate, indeterminate does not mean distant.
04:19:55.940
So, you know, you could say, that might be stipple, that little defect right there.
04:20:09.940
And if you look over here, there are areas where you can tell they're scarring.
04:20:15.940
So when you look at the nape of the neck, where a gentleman gets shaved, you get ingrown hairs,
04:20:25.940
I'm not going to say that this is intermediate with three, maybe four, ditzels, I call them.
04:20:38.940
I actually took a microscopic session of one of these to try to see if I could see any evidence
04:20:49.940
And the one section that I took was basically the epidermis, which is the top layer of your skin,
04:20:55.940
was normal and there was some blood underneath.
04:21:00.940
The way this guy got shot in the back of the neck that went out the top of their head,
04:21:03.940
would they have died instantly or would they have felt pain during the shooting
04:21:08.940
and like maybe choke on their blood or something like that?
04:21:10.940
Was it an instant death or was it a slow, painful one?
04:21:13.940
That's going to be very important for the jury to know as well.
04:21:16.940
I would say that that for sure is intermediate.
04:21:20.940
In terms of this particular injury, was the individual alive when it was inflicted?
04:21:31.940
Is there any sort of other things that would help and assist you in demonstrating the difference between hemorrhage and not?
04:21:52.940
So this is gunshot wound C, which was on the back of the right shoulder.
04:21:56.940
Okay, the abrasion collar around that wound is not hemorrhagic.
04:22:02.940
What that tells me is that there is no circulation in that part of the body when that gunshot wound is inflicted.
04:22:10.940
So based on Dr. B84's professional experience, he says it's hard to determine exactly.
04:22:15.940
And remember, guys, the question I asked was getting shot in the back of the neck like that and the bullet going out the top of your head.
04:22:21.940
Did the victim experience a lot of pain before dying or was it instant?
04:22:24.940
He goes, it's hard to determine exactly, but most likely pretty quickly since it did cause a head bleed that was extensive based on her pathology report.
04:22:32.940
Doc, would you say that the individual was, I guess, conscious and aware of it?
04:22:39.940
Or did they instantly like go into shock and not feel the pain?
04:22:42.940
I mean, I know I'm going in the weeds here, but I think it's going to be important for the jury to know if he felt pain and suffering before he died.
04:22:50.940
Or did he just kind of like go into shock and not really feel that at that point?
04:22:54.940
If the guy got shot in the middle of the neck, then he definitely then of his neck, then it definitely would have been fast.
04:23:01.940
Let me know if you know the other answer to that second part.
04:23:06.940
Shout out to having a doctor in the house, Ben.
04:23:10.940
Okay, and he follows up and he says super hard to say, but you probably did feel pain.
04:23:23.940
An example of what you would see if they were inflicted within seconds of each other.
04:23:30.940
Well, I can tell you of the hundreds of gunshot wound cases, not even, I just had a stab in the case, but in the hundreds of cases that I've done,
04:23:39.940
the thousands of cases that I've done, there are only three where I can tell you the order in which the shots occurred,
04:23:50.940
because some were before the person passed away and some were after.
04:23:56.940
You know, I've had hundreds of gunshot wound cases where they're shot 15, 20, 25 times, and every single gunshot has 100.
04:24:16.940
There's no way for me to tell you what the timeframe between gunshot wound A to E is from when B and C were inflicted.
04:24:40.940
Just so you guys know, these gunshot wounds that they're talking about now are the gunshot wounds after the fact,
04:24:49.940
The drive-by, I'll call them the drive-by wounds, right?
04:24:53.940
This particular mark tells you that this is an exit wound.
04:25:02.940
Because you have a light force object, the projectile, traveling at a very high, well,
04:25:08.940
traveling at a rate of speed and with enough energy to perforate the skin, and it causes a laceration.
04:25:17.940
So, Doc goes, and even she can't tell you how long it took in this case.
04:25:21.940
Doc, if you had to make an educated guess based on your training experience, how long do you think he was alive before he died?
04:25:29.940
Are we talking a minute, two minutes, three minutes, 10 minutes?
04:25:33.940
In your professional experience, how long do you think he lived after the gunshot?
04:25:43.940
Can you explain, and I'm going to go forward onto photo number 17,
04:25:48.940
so you can explain what a laceration is and what it looks like?
04:25:54.940
There's no abrasion margin around it, and it's consistent with an exit wound.
04:25:58.940
And in terms of where on the body is D located?
04:26:02.940
So it's right, almost underneath the yard pit, on the pit.
04:26:08.940
Going back to picture 16, which direction is the body facing when this photo is taken?
04:26:16.940
Going on to photograph number 20 for the record.
04:26:31.940
It's a trajectory rod through it showing the pathway of the projectile.
04:26:36.940
What is interesting in this photograph is that there's absolutely no hemorrhage around any of those wounds.
04:26:49.940
Shout out to Doc with a really fucking great response here.
04:26:53.940
He says, I'd say, and my question was, how long do you think he was alive after he had been shot prior to dying?
04:27:01.940
Doc says, I'd say a few minutes and maybe up to 30 minutes or one hour at the most.
04:27:06.940
That depends on how fast the head bleed grew before eventually crushing his brain.
04:27:14.940
I appreciate you giving us your professional insights on this.
04:27:24.940
You're responsible for taking the oxygen out of the air you breathe and pushing it into your...
04:27:30.940
I thought it would have been like 10 seconds or some shit.
04:27:40.940
So an injury to your lung is going to bleed a lot.
04:27:49.940
There's no hemorrhage in the upper or the lower lobe of the lung.
04:27:52.940
And so when you say hemorrhage, what would it look like on the photo?
04:27:58.940
So blood would leak out into the area around that lung.
04:28:01.940
And it would not look pink with brown black staining.
04:28:09.940
And so Dr. McDougall, if you could remind the ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
04:28:12.940
what entrance and exit wound does this correspond with?
04:28:22.940
Moving on to what is been admitted as photograph number 18.
04:28:34.940
Now y'all see why the state is trying to do a pushing for murder.
04:28:41.940
They're pushing for the death penalty of Miley.
04:29:00.940
That's why it's difficult to give an exact time frame.
04:29:06.940
But damn, it's a lot longer than I expected though.
04:29:22.940
So we do an incision across the head behind the ears.
04:29:29.940
And what this is showing you is this is hemorrhage.
04:29:37.940
And so with regards to now E, at this point, this scalp is back on this photo, which we've
04:30:03.940
Anyhow, shout out to Dr. B in the chat, giving a little bit more insight.
04:30:08.940
Since we don't have pictures to go off of, he's given, you know, his professional experience
04:30:14.940
on the side, you know, answering some more nuanced questions for y'all.
04:30:19.940
In terms of what has been previously admitted as date 74, is this the projectile fragments
04:30:27.940
of photo of them have been introduced into evidence?
04:30:34.940
Because, I mean, we usually recover projectiles and fragments so that, you know, turn them
04:30:43.940
over so that crime scene can do whatever kind of testing they want to do with the projectiles.
04:30:49.940
These pieces are probably too small, but it's still evidence.
04:30:54.940
So we collect all the evidence outside of and on the body to get to law enforcement in
04:31:00.940
Was there any evidence of medical intervention for Mr. Williams?
04:31:07.940
So sometimes people are transported to the hospital.
04:31:16.940
And so the trauma team or the emergency room doctors are going to want to do whatever
04:31:23.940
So sometimes with gunshot wounds especially, you can have, you know, they can put just tubes
04:31:29.940
in, they can do with floricotomy, which is where they open up the side of your, you know,
04:31:35.940
they open up your rib cage to try to get your heart beating again.
04:31:38.940
I mean, there's lots of things that they will do to try to save somebody's life.
04:31:42.940
Were there any, and so there were none of those in this case?
04:31:47.940
In terms of the rest of the internal examination, were there any other findings that led to
04:31:53.940
the death of Mr. Williams other than the gunshot wounds you've talked about?
04:31:59.940
Do you collect samples for the purpose of processing for toxicology?
04:32:16.940
And in terms of the results of that toxicology, what showed up?
04:32:21.940
So he has marijuana, THC, and marijuana metabolite.
04:32:25.940
And can you give any sort of timeframe on the ingestion of those sentences?
04:32:30.940
Based on your autopsy, did you come to an opinion of the cause and manner of death for
04:32:41.940
The cause of death is multiple gunshot wounds, and the manner of death is homicide.
04:32:49.940
Going forward, were you also involved, briefly, with the case number 18-3119?
04:33:02.940
And what was your involvement in that in March of 2022?
04:33:12.940
So, prior to March 8th of 2022, it was brought to my attention that there was a gunshot wound
04:33:22.940
on the lower extremity that we, Dr. Zodder and I, labeled as a penetrating gunshot wound.
04:33:40.940
Because we had wound on the outside of the leg.
04:33:45.940
There was no projectile in the leg, and there were just two little ditzels on the full body
04:33:53.940
So, it was most consistent with a projectile usually hitting something else and then just
04:34:01.940
coming up against the skin to make a ribbon in it, but not a projectile that goes shoot
04:34:10.940
One of the crimes, Chris, was at the objection here.
04:34:30.940
I'll mute that so you don't hear the weird static.
04:34:33.940
They're doing a sidebar now, which basically, they're doing that.
04:34:45.940
As you guys know, we talked about that earlier.
04:34:47.940
A sidebar is basically where the attorneys talk and kind of convene and discuss legal
04:34:51.940
matters or disagreements or whatever and how they're going to proceed.
04:34:55.940
I mean, y'all could see this woman is on her P's and Q's.
04:35:00.940
I mean, she's literally done this with 3,000 bodies pretty much, and 600 to 700 of those
04:35:06.940
So, she knows what she's talking about in this situation.
04:35:09.940
So, the defense is going to be, they got to put some work in to deal with this, man.
04:35:22.940
Let me hit some of these chats, though, while we wait.
04:35:35.940
I was two during OJ and my mom still have the newspapers with it.
04:35:42.940
Mr. EZ goes, do you think the people doing commentary on the news?
04:35:45.940
So, we need to get a breakdown of Hunter Biden's charges and when we can expect
04:35:47.940
Aaron Hernandez's breakdown, Aaron Hernandez is coming.
04:35:50.940
I just got to figure out how I'm going to do it.
04:35:54.940
And then Hunter Biden's going to probably do that with Ryan Dawson.
04:36:02.940
Mr. EZ goes, do you think the people doing commentary on law and crime are
04:36:05.940
ignorant about the case or willfully trying to push the audience on a certain
04:36:10.940
I don't think it's like intentionally ignorant.
04:36:13.940
I just think like they didn't study the case prior and they're going off of
04:36:16.940
what they see at the trial and they didn't know the facts prior to the trial.
04:36:21.940
Like they had like a general idea, but if any of these commentators actually read
04:36:25.940
through the affidavit with the same level of detail that I have on multiple
04:36:28.940
occasions, they would not be saying a lot of the goofy shit that they're saying
04:36:34.940
Some of y'all don't like it's one thing for me to tell y'all the facts.
04:36:37.940
It's another thing for me to pull up the affidavit, read it alongside you guys,
04:36:41.940
show you the surveillance footage and show you the ludicrously and the asinine
04:36:47.940
Moreland, Fredo, Bang and all these other guys have been lying on Melly's behalf.
04:36:51.940
So that's why so many people know, no, because they didn't actually do the work and read
04:36:56.940
Like a girth goes, never bring banner card on the show again.
04:37:03.940
Hey man, I mean, like I said before, bro, we're not going to agree on everything.
04:37:26.940
We talked about this projectile that was recovered.
04:37:30.940
Did you recover an additional projectile from the body of Anthony Williams?
04:37:36.940
In the right scapula for the bone, your shoulder blade, the wing of your back.
04:37:42.940
And in this next photo that we're looking at here, which is number 19, this number,
04:37:51.940
is that where you retrieved that particular projectile?
04:37:54.940
Hey guys, what I'll probably do is I'll go to about five hours because I can see that
04:37:58.940
I'm starting to operate on fumes here and I'm not as sharp as I should be.
04:38:01.940
So I'll go to five hours and then we'll close this bad boy out.
04:38:04.940
I'm really pissed off when I get to see the pictures though.
04:38:14.940
I did the stream, went to go get a quick meal, trained, and then came right up here and
04:38:21.940
This is the neck, the back of the neck, the midline of the back.
04:38:27.940
The entrance wound is right here and it goes and it gets stopped by all that bone.
04:38:32.940
And if you look at the muscles here, there's no hemorrhage either.
04:38:37.940
And so going on to this photo here, which is number 23, what are we looking at?
04:38:48.940
Y'all want to see how delusional Melly fans are?
04:39:03.940
Like over here, I read y'all the affidavit and most of y'all are sane and not retarded
04:39:15.940
Yo, I'm telling you guys, man, most people are blue-pilled, bro.
04:39:21.940
When it comes to looking at facts, when it comes to women, when it comes to money, when
04:39:26.940
it comes to, bro, it's not about being red-pilled with women alone.
04:39:29.940
No, it's about being red-pilled in all aspects of life and looking at things for what the
04:39:34.940
When you go in like a normie channel, like this channel, obviously there's 32K people
04:39:39.940
99% of people watching this shit are retarded normies that don't know what the fuck they're
04:39:45.940
And then you wonder why people like Biden get an office.
04:40:05.940
But y'all can see the stupidity of most people, man.
04:40:08.940
So if you're on this side of the internet, you're taking in this kind of content, you're
04:40:11.940
already hand and shoulders above a typical normie, man.
04:40:18.940
75% of these people really think this nigga's innocent, bro.
04:40:39.940
We talked about B and D. Was the victim Anthony Williams dead when the B and D was inflicted
04:41:03.940
So when wound C was inflicted, was Anthony Williams dead?
04:41:09.940
I don't have any other questions after we approach that for a moment.
04:41:21.940
Now the defense is going to cross examine her guys.
04:41:25.940
So it looks like they're going to take a short recess here.
04:41:28.940
Defense is going to do cross and we'll see what happens.
04:41:41.940
Jonathan Hugu goes, you made what you've been a slow day in the office, a great day
04:41:51.940
Barely keeping these eyes open, but I got y'all.
04:41:53.940
Corona Karen and Byron Gaines cooking up today.
04:42:01.940
If the shooting was inside the car, how the shells end up outside on the street.
04:42:07.940
The reason why the shells ended up outside the street guys was because remember one shows
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And then the shells that were outside the vehicle from the crime scene were there from
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them shooting into the vehicle to stage the crime scene.
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That's why you saw the shards of glass there as well.
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So, counsel, I didn't notice your fan of yourself and things like that.
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That's why I was texting to try to see if they get the AC person back or in it.
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Defense is going to do their cross, which, to be honest with you, it's very difficult to cross-examine a medical professional like this because it's a matter of fact.
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You can't really sit there and be like, well, we know that that shot was fatal, but is it possible that fucking XYZ happened?
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And it's like, bro, they died from these gunshot wounds that were at close range, and it occurred in the vehicle.
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There's no other way you can explain stipeling being there and the wound patterns, et cetera.
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Everything after the fact was after they were dead.
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This is one of those witnesses that you really, it's very, you ain't going to be able to move her.
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But with that said, guys, I am going to try to get some sleep.
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I have not slept, and it's already 2.30 in that fucking afternoon.
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We're going to have Jen Pratt and her husband come in to talk about paternity.
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Then we're going to have, I don't know if Zerka's going to be able to make it.
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I just got a text literally just now while we're on stream.
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I don't know if he'll be able to make it for Wednesday.
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But we'll probably have McQueen on for after hours.
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Then we will have Scott Ritter on Thursday, which I actually really look forward to that, guys.
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He's one of the best, really good geopolitical commentators, especially when it comes to Russia-Ukraine.
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And then next week, we might have some other special stuff planned for y'all.
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And then obviously, as you guys know, Nick Fuen says July 7th.
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And then, just because you guys grinded out for me for so long,
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the following Monday, I'm going to have Fuentes, Sneeko, Zerka.
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You guys are going to see part two of that epic six-hour stream that was too hot for even Rumble, goddammit.
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So, it was a six-hour stream where we went real deep into them boys.
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And then also, I want to get your guys' opinion on this.
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The documentary done by Ryan Dawson on how them boys stole the nuclear bomb from the United States
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And then I'll probably react to it like a week or two later.
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The reason why I want y'all to watch it first before I react to it is because it's super fucking complex, guys.
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Y'all are going to have to rewind it at certain times.
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They're going to need a fucking wrecking ball to take me out of here!
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This is why we wait because it looks like they got this little recess.
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You guys, give me ones in the chat if y'all want me to play the first part of Numek on here
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so you guys can get a sneak peek into what you're going to get on Thursday if I drop this thing.
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Give me ones in the chat if y'all want me to give y'all a sneak peek while we're on recess.
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This is a really good documentary and I think it needs to fucking get out there.
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This is a documentary done by my guy, Ryan Dawson.
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I'm going to give y'all a teaser and we're going to play the beginning part of it.
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Quick overview of the post-World War II surplus weapons trade
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and how intel agencies were supposed to be monitoring that.
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The most vital and dangerous one being nuclear weapons, of course.
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Both sides, the USSR and USA, kind of look the other way
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or even covertly assisted when arms went to factions
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they felt ideologically were beneficial to their global ambitions.
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I don't know if y'all caught it, but in the beginning part, right?
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Like, they went through the entire, you know, formation and creation of, you know,
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And then it goes into, like, a bunch of the different wars
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and intelligence operations that were conducted.
04:51:20.540
From now on, it means that anti-communist America
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will make its influence felt in European affairs.
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is because everything here is actually historically factual.
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One exception, and that is when it went against its own interest
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culminated with the deadliest weapon, the atomic bomb.
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I think that's enough for the teaser for y'all, man.
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If y'all enjoyed that, give me some flame emojis.
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And that intro was really well put together, too.