The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Fed & @TrapLoreRoss Discuss Tate Arrest, How Feds Do Cases, YSL RICO, Hop Hop, Drill, and MORE!

00:00:00.000 and we are live what's up guys welcome to fed it i'm here with trap lawyer ross man we got a lot

00:00:05.760 to talk about man we got a lot to talk about yeah i'm so hyped uh we're gonna be talking about ysl

00:00:11.920 guys hip-hop drill all the different cases going on let's get into it man

00:00:19.120 i was a special agent with homelands investigations okay guys hsi the cases that i did mostly were

00:00:23.760 human smuggling and drug trafficking no one else has these documents by the way here's what fed it

00:00:30.480 covers doctor lafredo confirmed lacerations due to stepping on glass murder investigations

00:00:38.720 reaching in his jacket you don't know and he's positioning been on february 13 2019 you're facing

00:00:43.840 two counts of two meditative murder racketeering and rico conspiracy young slime life here and

00:00:49.360 after referred to as ysl the defendants uh six nine and then this is billy seco right here now when

00:00:54.640 they first started guys six nine ran i'm upset i'm watching this music video you know i'm bobbing 0.59

00:01:00.080 my head like hey this shit lit but at the same time i'm pausing oh wait who this right well who's that in 0.99

00:01:05.040 the back firearms and violence a.k.a bush ic violated in order to stay away from the dick 0.99

00:01:15.440 this is the one that that's gonna him up because this gun is not tracing 0.97

00:01:19.040 well it happened at the gun range here's your boy 42 doug right here on the left 0.91

00:01:22.320 okay sex trafficking and sex crimes they can effectively link him to paying an underage girl 0.98

00:01:29.280 and the first bomb went off right here

00:01:35.680 inspired by al-qaeda two terrorists brothers the zokar sarnev and tamarland sarnev when the cartel

00:01:42.240 shipped drugs into the country as this guy got arrested for um espionage okay trading secrets

00:01:47.360 with the russians for monetary compensation the largest corrupt police bust in new orleans history

00:01:56.400 so he was in this bad boy we're gonna go over his past the gang guys so that this all makes sense

00:02:08.160 all right what's up guys yeah you guys got fed it on a tuesday man

00:02:11.360 uh as you guys know um i normally do fed it on uh sundays and thursdays but we got a special guest

00:02:19.200 in the house man and he leaves back to the uk so we got to make sure that we go ahead and get

00:02:23.360 uh this interview going man and we got a bunch of stuff to talk about actually hell yeah um so russ

00:02:28.560 i know who you are just in case that people don't know who you are man can you introduce yourself to

00:02:31.840 the people sure thing yeah it's trap law russ uh i make very long in-depth documentaries about the most

00:02:37.520 important situations in the rap game drill music you know classic rap stories from way back to very

00:02:44.560 recently we just try and cover everything really just try and cover like everything in depth i mean

00:02:49.760 i know fed it goes extremely in depth yeah when you cover a story a lot of the stuff i i uh i use your

00:02:55.120 stuff your research to make the videos or i'll just react to and i'm like yeah this is and i'll go

00:02:59.120 further into like maybe what the legal term means or whatever how they conducted the investigation

00:03:03.280 to get to that point so your content helps me a lot a lot of times i'll like get a really good

00:03:07.680 background on it from watching your stuff and then i'll go and look at like the more legal law

00:03:11.040 enforcement side well i think we're living in a really interesting age because like right now we're

00:03:14.800 on the internet where there is ridiculous amounts of information out there about criminal cases

00:03:20.160 obviously music and lyrics kind of give an insight into a lot of real situations going on in the street

00:03:25.440 or in crime history and like my thing has always just been if i tackle a story i want to just try and

00:03:31.040 find every single tidbit of information i can about that story put it all into one video and

00:03:35.680 really just like show and tell yeah and i think you know you're really good at that too as far as

00:03:39.040 just like finding all the information you know i love it when people use me as a source because i'm

00:03:42.160 kind of just like out there trying to use any tricks that i can to find out all the information

00:03:46.800 about a situation or an artist or a crime and bro we're living in a crazy time of the internet where

00:03:52.400 the access to information is nuts and that's actually something i want to talk to you about

00:03:56.000 because i think for me sometimes i really take for granted like the methods that i use as far as

00:04:00.160 people always say to me like bro how did you find this out how did you find that and i'm like

00:04:03.040 i was just fucking i don't know googled it right i cross-referenced google with reddit yeah and 0.84

00:04:06.320 it kind of makes me realize like oh it's kind of deep actually the way i put these together but

00:04:09.520 you with your experience as a fed yeah i imagine that the resources that you've had at your disposal

00:04:14.240 to investigate you know real life situations and now using the internet to investigate kind of famous

00:04:18.800 crimes i feel like maybe i've got a lot we've got a lot to learn from each other as far as like

00:04:22.400 hunting down that information yeah um so for for people that are wondering as far as like law

00:04:27.040 enforcement goes and how law enforcement gathers information there's a couple different ways that

00:04:30.240 you can go about it so one of them is you could do something called an administrative subpoena

00:04:34.240 an administrative subpoena is basically like hey we need you to give us these types of court records

00:04:39.680 now depending on the agency that you work with some agencies can do administrative subpoenas because

00:04:44.080 they have the power to do it they have the authority to do it and others can't so when i was an agent

00:04:48.240 i worked for homeland security investigations um and we were able to give out um admin subpoenas and

00:04:53.040 typically it was under two different laws it was either under 8 usc which is immigration code

00:04:57.280 or under the title 21 which is the drug code of united states so you can issue a subpoena to them

00:05:01.840 hey for one of those two reasons or customs violations excuse me title 19 so you can issue

00:05:07.360 a subpoena let's say to like a phone company i figure out that this crook has this phone number

00:05:11.840 i want to figure out who owns that phone number who the subscribers that phone number i can give the

00:05:16.720 phone company an admin subpoena they give me back the information on who runs that phone number

00:05:21.280 now if i want to get into something more a little a little deeper like the contents of the phone or

00:05:25.520 whatever it may be well number one i'll have to have the phone in front of me right or if i want to look

00:05:28.960 at their icloud i'll have to do something called a search warrant and that is pretty much you write

00:05:32.640 up an affidavit um that outlines all your probable cause why you need to be able to search this particular

00:05:38.080 device right so you got admin subpoenas right so if we're going to go on a hierarchy admin subpoenas

00:05:43.360 are at the bottom you can just issue that just because hey i want to figure out who the subscriber

00:05:47.040 of this phone number is then after that you could do something called a grand jury subpoena which is a

00:05:51.040 higher level of a subpoena which allows you to get like detailed information on bank records on

00:05:57.760 things that are a little bit more typically it's for financial cases especially and uh also the

00:06:02.080 and you can also do grand jury subpoenas to like figure out someone's phone information or whatever

00:06:05.600 but the reason why grand jury subpoenas right are better than admin subpoenas is because admin

00:06:11.040 subpoenas a lot of times let's say i give an admin subpoena to facebook or to yahoo or to google

00:06:15.840 well for one they can go ahead and disclose to their describer their subscriber that the government

00:06:21.040 is reaching out to try to get their information and depending on the company some companies have

00:06:26.080 30 days 60 days 90 days but in general they do have the ability to tell their customer hey just so you

00:06:32.880 know the government asked for your stuff all right so if you don't want them to notify the subscriber of

00:06:37.680 your investigation and your subpoena you get a grand jury subpoena that way they cannot go ahead and

00:06:42.800 uh disclose that and then the level above that is uh what you could be like a court order right you

00:06:48.880 could be a uh something is along the lines of some something called the trap and trace

00:06:53.120 what a trap and trace is aka known also as a pen register that allows you to track real time

00:06:58.960 someone's phone activity right so let's say um i know that you're a drug dealer right and you're

00:07:04.560 calling and communicating with a bunch of different people that are involved in criminal activity

00:07:08.240 well i could do something called a pen register which is a court order all i need is reasonable

00:07:12.080 suspicion for that and and basically it's going to give me a live feed of all of your phone

00:07:18.080 activity i'm going to see all the numbers you're contacting all the people you're talking to etc

00:07:22.640 i don't know what you're talking about right i don't know like anything specific i just know

00:07:26.480 you're contacting these numbers so let's say i know that you could you did it i was watching you

00:07:31.200 on surveillance i know you did a drug deal at 5 p.m on monday well what i'll do is when i know that

00:07:36.720 you're doing these criminal activities because i've been watching on surveillance i'm going to go back

00:07:39.520 to the office look at the pen register at that time period of when you were doing that drug deal

00:07:43.200 every single phone number that you contacted during that time period more than likely is involved in 0.99

00:07:47.680 criminal activity i'm going to subpoena those numbers figure out who the fuck they are and this 0.98

00:07:51.200 is how you build the the cobweb of uh conspiracy right so that's a that's a pen register uh but that's 0.97

00:07:57.440 just a court order you don't get real content you just know who they're contacting right really good

00:08:00.640 for drug trafficking investigation and then after that you get search warrants now this is probably the

00:08:05.440 highest level here because at this point you got to write that affidavit like i described earlier

00:08:09.120 you uh hey it needs to be with probable cause you give it to a prosecutor the day you say you know

00:08:14.080 make sure it's good and go good to go he sends it to the judge you go to the judge's chambers you

00:08:18.480 swear it out he gives you the actual search warrant and then bam you go to the dude's house and you

00:08:22.560 kick in the door or if you have their phone you start to search it or whatever you know you plan to

00:08:27.200 search um and then the highest level above that is something called title three intercepts

00:08:31.680 and a title three intercept is wiretapping phones got it when you're listening to um

00:08:36.240 when you're listening to people's phones or if you're wiretapping their email you can see all

00:08:39.280 the emails coming in it's real-time monitoring of the communication and the actual content and to

00:08:44.400 be able to do a title three need that pen register i described before because the pen register is the

00:08:48.560 foundation from what you're going to do the title three because once going back to the drug deal thing

00:08:54.000 you did a drug deal at 5 p.m i know this because i was watching you on surveillance maybe you had

00:08:57.440 my source my informant bought drugs from you during that time and you communicated with three or four

00:09:00.960 other people and then some people showed up well now i can articulate well ross is talking to these

00:09:05.600 five phone numbers who i know are sources of supply because i did an investigation i looked them all up

00:09:10.320 and i figured out that you know they're all members of this cartel this drug trafficking organization

00:09:14.960 bam now i write a title three affidavit i need to listen to his phone because i know he's involved

00:09:18.880 in criminal activity i've pretty much made your phone dirty with the pen register and i maybe i have

00:09:23.760 a recorded phone call with you and a source say where you guys are talking or talking

00:09:27.680 uh about criminal activity and then that is going to be the basis for which i get my title three

00:09:32.320 so that right there is pretty much most of the tools a lot of law enforcement officers have to figure

00:09:38.480 out um to do their investigation so just a quick little recap for you out real fast

00:09:46.640 so number one it's admin subpoenas guys okay this is the the lowest level where you can go ahead

00:09:50.800 and send the subpoena to you know t-mobile or whatever i need to know who the hell owns this phone

00:09:54.400 number then you got a grand jury subpoena grand jury subpoena is you get that through the prosecutor

00:09:59.280 and uh and a grand jury right they convene and they give you what you need and then you go ahead and 0.99

00:10:02.720 you issue that to the bank hey i need these financial records and you can't tell your goddamn 0.94

00:10:05.920 customer i'm looking then after that you got a court order an example of this would be something 0.94

00:10:10.000 like a trap and trace pen register where you're actively monitoring someone's phone right you can't

00:10:14.640 really see what the hell they're talking about but you can see who he's contacting then after that

00:10:19.200 you got a search warrant a search warrant basically you know an affidavit is written

00:10:22.560 outlining all your probable cause you bring it to a judge he signs it bam you can go ahead

00:10:26.320 and search and then on top of that the highest level is that title three which or t3 or wiretaps

00:10:32.240 as we would say uh title three intercepts we call them in the government and that is when you're

00:10:35.840 actively monitoring someone's medium of communication whether it's a phone an email etc but to be able to

00:10:41.360 listen to a title three you need to have that pen register to establish that phone is used in crime

00:10:46.320 and you need something called a dirty phone call which is maybe an informant calls the bad guy

00:10:50.240 maybe an undercover it calls the bad guy and they talk about criminal activity bam now i got your

00:10:54.960 phone your phone is dirty i've established that i have real-time information that you're talking

00:10:59.280 with crooks i write on my t3 affidavit which could be anywhere between they're long my last one i did

00:11:04.320 uh back in like 2018 when was the last time i did it in i think 2016. i did i'll never forget yeah i

00:11:10.960 signed on september 1st 2016 it was 75 pages it was a drug trafficking case and and it was you need a

00:11:17.040 lot of probable cause to be honest with y'all you guys need you need more probable cause to listen

00:11:21.200 to someone's phone than to arrest them damn that's good so bro but yeah i threw a lot there so no no

00:11:25.920 that was fine so i was like the video guys i was always a huge fan of the wire the show growing up 0.93

00:11:30.800 oh yeah do you you you must have seen this yeah yeah yeah baltimore so that in the show

00:11:35.680 where they're literally you know they're in like a dingy office you know they're listening they're

00:11:39.520 all listening in on all the drug deals is that what it's really like yeah so so yes and no so when

00:11:45.600 you're doing a wiretap um you have to do something you have to like read in everybody to the case

00:11:52.160 right because since it's saddle three intercepts and that's considered like one of the biggest

00:11:55.360 invasions of someone's privacy you need to read in certain people into the case and only certain

00:12:00.400 people can listen to the conversation so anyone that's in your group that's helping you with the

00:12:03.840 investigation and we uh monitors a lot of times you um a lot of agencies will go ahead and hire

00:12:09.120 outside monitors to come in and monitor the uh the call and then they're like professionals that like

00:12:13.920 listening to it writing it down transcribing it etc and then typically there'll be one agent in the

00:12:18.800 room supervising them so are there some agencies where the actual agent themselves sit and sits

00:12:23.680 and listen to it for sure but most of the time you have third party contractors slash monitors they come

00:12:28.160 in they listen to it they interpret it they put out the paperwork for you etc and there's agents

00:12:32.560 overseeing it why do they do that with a third party contractor because to me just off the bat that

00:12:36.960 seems like a not secure way of handling this information or is it trying to create a separation

00:12:41.520 between the agents and the subjects uh typically the reason why is just they don't have enough

00:12:45.120 manpower oh okay um so like so like there are some agencies that do t3s all the time got it or um

00:12:50.000 like dea they're on wires all day okay so so for them they'll have a specific like i know for a fact

00:12:55.920 like dea has wire rooms a lot of times and they'll have dedicated monitors that like kind of work under

00:13:00.960 dea that do it but some other agencies don't do wiretaps as much so um because they're very expensive

00:13:07.040 they're very difficult to do they're extremely labor intensive right um so you can get in that 0.95

00:13:12.400 third party contractor to come in and do it when you actually do have the wire up damn that's crazy

00:13:17.040 but yeah it's really interesting hearing you talk because i feel like almost by accident through

00:13:21.120 doing my content you know every video trying to go deeper and deeper and more in depth yeah i thought

00:13:26.240 i've almost built up a very scrappy skill set that is almost akin to like an intelligence agency because

00:13:32.400 i sit there and you know if a rapper's gone off on instagram live and copped to a few crimes

00:13:37.040 i'm sat there transcribing that yeah you know and it's i'm not listening to a wiretap but the

00:13:41.280 guy's recorded himself yeah and i'm sat there listening they made the job easier exactly you

00:13:45.120 know looking at who's in the background cross-referencing you know maybe images from google maps

00:13:49.520 to an ig live where a guy's on someone's block yeah trying to basically locate that that's hard dude

00:13:55.040 but i guess the thing that i really want to talk to you about is it's like

00:13:57.520 what methods do you guys deploy to get the info of what's going on in the streets or in the crimes

00:14:05.040 and what can a normal person or a person like me do to kind of almost like hack together versions of

00:14:11.840 that because for for me for example it's like i can i can't tap a guy's phone but i can watch all

00:14:15.440 of their ig lives i can read all of their instagram posts like i did the the rollo case recently yes

00:14:20.160 a big drug deal and self-snitching case and one of the things i did i just i went through his entire

00:14:25.120 instagram most of it's still public i looked at every post i read every caption you know i cross

00:14:30.240 cross-referenced between music videos stuff that was in the indictment what was going on and just

00:14:34.240 kind of plotted it out i guess similar to what you would have done in a case they use his instagram

00:14:38.480 against him yes i covered the rollo case too and i read the the criminal complaint uh which is

00:14:43.200 basically a criminal complaint is a uh it's a document that an agent writes up where he writes

00:14:49.200 an affidavit outlining all of his probable cause as to why he needs to get an arrest warrant to go

00:14:52.560 and get somebody right so and the criminal complaint because he got arrested by atf the

00:14:57.440 bureau of alcohol tobacco on firearms and explosives which honestly i thought was a little weird because

00:15:02.480 they don't normally do drug traffic investigations but the reason why they had the case was because

00:15:06.240 he had guns he was dealing the drugs and he had some guns so um so when i read the affidavit

00:15:11.840 they actually use his instagram as like uh as like evidence in in the affidavit so yeah they're

00:15:17.120 definitely um they definitely use your instagram but besides the stuff that like i described before you

00:15:21.520 know your subpoenas your search warrants your court orders your title three intercepts etc

00:15:25.760 other investigative techniques you can use right because those are more like what i would consider

00:15:29.200 formal techniques that you're using to accentuate your investigation right like like you're you're

00:15:34.720 you're gathering information you're like okay now i need to go deeper so the but to get the

00:15:39.680 information so that you can go ahead and get the probable cause for a search warrant or get the

00:15:42.560 probable cause for a title three intercept nine at a time dude ten times dude you need informants

00:15:48.320 informants are literally the backbone to any type of criminal investigation when i was an agent myself

00:15:53.600 at my height when i was in laredo texas i was controlling somewhere between 10 to 20 informants

00:15:58.160 at any given time uh when i was in miami florida i was controlling like five to ten right at any given

00:16:03.840 time and they're the backbone of everything and you have different types of informants right so every

00:16:08.720 agency outlines it differently but what i can break it down for y'all is is is these in general every agency

00:16:14.080 is going to have their informants in these categories i'm going to describe you got maybe

00:16:17.600 like a source of information or i used to call it a soi that's this is someone that just gives you

00:16:21.280 information maybe they uh you know they they like the police maybe they just hate crime maybe they

00:16:25.920 just want to um help out etc or they have a they they're vindictive against uh an opposing criminal

00:16:32.560 or some shit like that so that's soi you don't necessarily pay them they just contact you and give 0.74

00:16:36.960 you information then you got something called a cooperating defendant which this guy is working off 0.84

00:16:42.960 charges maybe he you got him a pinched on some state level charge or maybe you can indict him

00:16:48.000 on something uh that you got him uh you know red-handed for and you decided not to charge but

00:16:52.560 you have that over him that hey we can indict you any day you better fucking cooperate right or they've 0.91

00:16:56.960 already been charged and they're kind of working it off and they're out in the streets like we're um

00:17:01.920 cooperating right then you got a what i call a actual real confidential informant and a confidential

00:17:09.840 informant nine out of ten times is going to be documented or some people might call them like a

00:17:13.920 documented source right um you know uh homeland we call them confidential informants uh the fbi calls 0.95

00:17:20.480 it confidential human sources chs's i believe uh and then dea calls them um damn what this is dea i 0.50

00:17:28.480 think dea calls them see atf calls them cis i think dea calls them um cis as well typically it'll be like ci

00:17:34.640 number one two three four five six seven that you never use his name and then these guys are

00:17:38.960 documented you have a file for them you uh you pay them uh they get benefits right sometimes i had

00:17:44.320 informants that i paid money i had some other informants that i gave immigration benefit which

00:17:47.840 is like a unique authority that only homeland is able to do with their informants so um those are

00:17:52.720 typically the different um types of informants you you have and then you got undercovers which an 0.94

00:17:57.360 undercover is not an informant a lot of people say oh like like they'll say dumb 0.97

00:18:01.280 shit like tix and i was a fit he was an undercover no undercover is an actual special agent trained 0.95

00:18:07.360 has a gun full-fledged law enforcement authority etc he just works behind he's just in an undercover 0.99

00:18:13.200 capacity so the criminals don't know who he is so undercovers are agents informants are agents of the

00:18:18.880 government but they don't necessarily um they don't work for the government got it they're just

00:18:23.440 documented and they're cooperating and helping whether it's for money financial reasons whatever

00:18:28.560 it is or immigration benefits etc you ever see the show oz the like prison one yes i watched i

00:18:34.960 watched the first couple seasons you see in that where they i don't know if you remember but they

00:18:37.760 sent a guy a uh a guy undercover into the jail to try and bust the like drug ring in the jail did

00:18:45.520 like do people do they actually do shit like that like when they send it undercover in i've always 0.69

00:18:49.040 wondered i'm just like that strategy must be so risky yeah that like i'm surprised they even do it 0.96

00:18:54.960 but it must work it must be a successful approach right like they build a whole life around an agent

00:18:59.120 and send them into the gang yeah i mean um it is very very difficult um to get an undercover in

00:19:05.360 to a criminal organization where they're like being where they're actually very very trusted it's very

00:19:10.480 difficult that takes like years sometimes you know if you look at some of these famous like atf cases or

00:19:15.760 you look at like the famous fbi case with donnie brask or whatever like that's like deep undercover

00:19:20.320 right where um they have them literally living with the criminals etc do uh do agencies do

00:19:27.040 undercover like that to this that extent nowadays not really right with the advent of the internet

00:19:31.760 and technology whatever they could find out shit it's a little bit more dangerous it's not as easy

00:19:35.280 as it was back in like 70s 80s and 90s but um but you know there are definitely deep undercover

00:19:40.480 operations going on like that just i wouldn't say because putting your guy in jail you always have

00:19:44.960 it's always like a risk for you know weighing out the risk right so is does it benefit you more to put

00:19:49.600 an undercover agent in there right or if you have a reliable source put a reliable source in there

00:19:54.800 you know it might be better to just do go with the reliable source because with the agent you don't

00:19:58.960 want to put your guys at as much risk unfortunately right versus a crook man that's crazy it's just

00:20:05.520 crazy like you know you see this kind of thing in movies but sometimes it's like you feel like

00:20:08.880 that can't be real like it can't be to that extent but like that's what you're saying you're gonna

00:20:12.400 need a lot of approvals and the other thing too a lot of times is like you're gonna need approvals

00:20:16.640 from like the war and all this other and if you're conducting a criminal investigation

00:20:20.240 right you want as little people to know what the hell's going on as possible you know maybe you

00:20:25.200 might maybe people in the jail at the highest level know but you don't want the ceos and everybody

00:20:28.960 else knowing because you don't know who might might leak it so that's why it's like um these are some

00:20:32.960 of the issues you go into when you have undercovers um in certain capacities because they can definitely

00:20:39.040 get you know put in bad spots so you said you had like 10 to 20 informants working for you at any 0.95

00:20:45.440 time yeah real shit did you ever have them get found out and like popped by the gang or like you 0.93

00:20:50.800 know surely if you get discovered as an informant it's a wrap that's a good question um maybe you 0.98

00:20:54.800 can't say no no no no i could say uh so i've never had them get made that they worked for me but

00:21:00.240 definitely they've been uh you know people think that they're informants you know like when you're

00:21:04.720 dealing with criminals one thing about them is they're all paranoid dude they think everybody's a source

00:21:08.640 they think everybody's a narc so um they'll employ tests here and there to try to see if your guy you

00:21:14.560 know works for the police or if i introduce an undercover they'll try to see if he's the police 0.87

00:21:19.280 and they'll put on like little stupid tests so um but i've never luckily i've never had a guy get 0.60

00:21:24.240 made to the point where uh he got hurt or anything like that so that's that's good but it is a very real 0.89

00:21:29.600 risk that you run into i mean i remember being out on surveillance and we're buying guns from dudes

00:21:35.280 right and uh you know my source is like wearing a wire or whatever it may be and i'm just like in

00:21:40.000 my head like i pray to god like they don't see um they don't see the wire or that yeah i could hear

00:21:44.560 everything going on like in a van like literally like a movie like you're outside in a van yes so

00:21:48.800 you're so so i remember i'll never forget this so we were doing a deal right with some uh with some

00:21:54.080 some crooks from san antonio one time right and we're in this small little rinky dink town 0.79

00:21:57.760 uh you know in between laredo texas and san antonio and we're doing this deal to get some uh

00:22:04.480 ak-47s and some rifles from these dudes and my source is in there doing a deal talking with them and

00:22:10.240 you know they're speaking spanish right they're the mexican and i'm listening to the thing and we

00:22:14.640 have a van right so i'm i'm monitoring it as a case agent with uh like i call like the you have

00:22:20.240 multiple cars so as the case age i'm the one taking the notes and seeing what's going on etc because

00:22:24.800 i'm responsible for the case then you have something called the cover team on the side

00:22:28.000 and that cover team is as close as possible to the source right and another cover was in there too

00:22:33.440 and their job is if anything goes down because they're monitoring it as well they're going to 0.74

00:22:37.680 go in their guns blazing to get them out damn so um so yeah man i mean when you're dealing with 0.93

00:22:42.960 criminals like that there's always that fear that they could get the biggest fear i always had whenever 0.98

00:22:46.880 i did these types of deals was that they would get ripped and a rip is basically when you show up

00:22:51.520 with crooks and you know there's a drug exchange or a money exchange or some kind of exchange where

00:22:55.760 a large sum of money is there and they just take the money and rot or and rob your guy so that's why

00:23:01.280 we would always like uh one way we would circumvent that when we deal with these guys especially if we

00:23:05.280 do like high kilo deals or whatever is the bad guys would meet first none of the stuff is on set

00:23:11.440 right hey you got the stuff yeah i got the stuff all right where is it it's over there i gotta go get

00:23:16.240 it okay you got your stuff all right cool feel it out and then bam then they come back with the with

00:23:20.320 the stuff and then that's when the takedown would happen or we would just let it walk we would take

00:23:23.360 the we'll take the evidence pay them the money walk let them go and that's it and if they were

00:23:28.560 driving with other people that i didn't know i would go through some kind of uh process where i would

00:23:33.840 either get them like stopped by the state and local police maybe i'd have a trooper on standby you know

00:23:37.680 stop them like 30 miles up the road so it doesn't look too familiar or when they go through the

00:23:42.000 border patrol checkpoint because you have to go through the border patrol checkpoint when you live on the

00:23:45.200 southwest border it's just natural for them to do that inspection i'd have the border patrol agents

00:23:50.000 stop them do a basic inspection oh america so this is okay let me see all ids done there i did all 0.91

00:23:55.120 right have a good day bam now i identified everybody in the vehicle damn okay so you you got to break it

00:24:00.000 down a molecular level for me because it's so interesting sure so you're talking about going

00:24:05.280 on real busts where you you take a bunch of money and you're gonna buy guns drugs whatever it is off the

00:24:10.480 bad guys yes basically and so walk me through that actual scenario so you guys you might be in a van

00:24:18.880 you're nearby you might be listening in but you the goal is for you to what catch them i mean like

00:24:26.240 you say you don't want to get ripped off right but you're bringing real money yeah to buy real dope or

00:24:30.480 whatever it is yeah and do you allow the exchange to happen completely and then you you go and get

00:24:35.600 them later because you say you you pulled those guys over and got their ids right you let them go

00:24:40.480 yeah when you like what what happened like do you go and you then just go and bust them in a bunch of

00:24:44.320 cars okay do you is that only step one like this it's just crazy like it's so so interesting to hear

00:24:50.960 it from the other side because i feel like this is the aspect of this that never really gets broken

00:24:55.360 down in popular media people especially films and tv shows they're kind of mostly concerned with like

00:25:01.120 the criminal side like criminals that get away with it but i would just love to know how that plays

00:25:05.280 out like every detail and that's a really good question all right so i'll you know you know what

00:25:10.240 we got 1300 y'all in here guys do me a favor like the video subscribe to trap low ross i will

00:25:14.000 go ahead and tell you guys exactly how an undercover operation brit is broken down yeah beginning to end

00:25:19.920 so number one you meet with your informant you meet with your undercover right you brief up the

00:25:24.560 entire team hey this is the undercover right you got a team probably of 10 to 15 agents they're going

00:25:28.560 to go out with you you got a cover team you got and a couple surveillance units right but you must

00:25:32.960 have a cover team if you're going to put send in an informant or an undercover so you brief them

00:25:37.200 up hey here are the guys we're going to meet with here the guys we're going to go ahead and uh purchase

00:25:41.520 the drugs or the guns from etc i show pictures of all the potential targets that are going to show up

00:25:45.520 to the deal so at that stage you've got you know near enough everything you know all the people

00:25:50.960 involved you know who you're sending in because we've set it up before so like maybe the undercover

00:25:55.040 was speaking with the bad guys y'all i'm going to be in town i need an ak can you hook me up

00:25:58.880 sure um uh what can you do it on thursday yes i can let's do 3 p.m cool once that deal is set right and

00:26:05.840 we made that phone call and we got it established then i start creating something called the

00:26:09.360 operations plan and i go in the operations plan i talk about um you know it's basically outlines

00:26:14.640 everything the day the time the agents that are going to be involved everyone's roles the nearest

00:26:19.520 hospital in case someone is shot or hurt um you know if we have a helicopter or a plane involved in

00:26:24.480 the surveillance their call sign everything right the vehicles that are going to be there and you have

00:26:29.600 to do this operations plan after the operations plan you do something called a briefing at that

00:26:33.680 briefing you brief up everybody that's going to be involved in the operation you don't come to

00:26:37.520 the briefing you don't do the operation so you'll have your 10 15 agents there and the undercover

00:26:42.320 you'll introduce everybody um put them in their roles and then you're going to go pick up the

00:26:46.800 informant the informant's not going to be there a lot of the times right you go pick up the informant

00:26:50.640 pat him down because he's a crook too of course and then he meets the undercover if they haven't

00:26:54.880 already met etc and then you know you wire them up all that other stuff right and you also wire up the 0.80

00:26:59.440 undercover then you go uh and then uh then they drive to the meat location you follow them and

00:27:06.640 then they go there a lot of times it's in a parking lot somewhere public whatever it may be

00:27:10.320 the the vehicle that they're in is wired up it's an undercover vehicle a lot of the times

00:27:13.920 right um so you're just you're traveling and this is quite a big operation right yeah it's quite a

00:27:18.480 big convoy yeah so how do you stay low-key when you're going along to something like that because

00:27:22.640 you if i'm there to sell someone an ak and i'm seeing three white vans and a suburban i'm i'm sure

00:27:27.920 good question so how do you stay incognito when you're going into that situation agents get there

00:27:32.320 first the undercover and the informant or whoever is like doing the the undercover capacity of the

00:27:36.720 investigation they come after so we all set up where we're supposed to meet they surround the place

00:27:41.360 and then the undercover comes in later so we we get there first but so what happens then right

00:27:46.000 because obviously you got this is the interesting thing right because the feds you have to follow all

00:27:49.920 the rules you got on operations you know manual however you set it up you've got to do everything by

00:27:54.160 the book exactly whereas a criminal if they're not feeling the vibes they'll be like if you want

00:27:59.120 to buy this ak we're going to switch the location last minute that happens a lot and so that must

00:28:03.280 your that must just you must just be scrambling at that point right so how not to get too derailed

00:28:07.920 but these details so interesting yeah no it's it's that's important because they do that all the time

00:28:11.600 they do do that so when they do do that right and they say oh we're going to switch the location or

00:28:15.440 whatever you figure out where that location is a lot of times it's like somewhere else that's public

00:28:20.080 whatever so okay cool uh i'm gonna need 30 40 minutes to get over there bam all the other units

00:28:25.040 go over there scope it out and then you know and then they pull up do they ever go and scope it out 0.99

00:28:30.320 and find like like an ambush set up or like some some fuck shit they're like oh you know let's have 0.98

00:28:36.400 the meeting at this point you guys go ahead and it's like nah this ain't right or someone else is 0.99

00:28:40.400 there or something something's messed up how do you deal with that it happens that's why it's so

00:28:43.680 important that all the surveillance units go there first and scope it out and make sure that you know

00:28:48.000 they're not trying to set it up for a rip or whatever may be like that so um so then once

00:28:52.080 you once you um set up at that location whether it's the first one that they agreed upon or a

00:28:56.320 second one that they try to spring on you um you sit there and you wait and then they do the exchange

00:29:01.520 and you're listening in and you're and you're gathering your evidence right so everything is

00:29:04.640 recorded in there now here's the difference between the feds and the state when the feds do these

00:29:09.360 types of operations excuse me when the state does these types of operations it's typically a buy bust

00:29:13.760 well that's cool and all but they're not going to get the significant amount of time and you're not

00:29:18.080 going to be able to build up the conspiracy to the same level as if you let them go because what

00:29:22.320 happens is you do two three four five of these deals they start to do what they start to trust you

00:29:28.320 and then when they start to trust you and you're coming in with money we're spending thousands of 0.98

00:29:31.680 dollars with these idiots right buying guns and drugs from them all the time they start and we start 0.99

00:29:36.080 what we do is we start asking for higher quantities we start asking for more sophisticated weapons 1.00

00:29:40.240 right then we can start getting into it hey we want some grenades hey can you guys hook us up with

00:29:44.800 half a kilo of meth etc and we go and and obviously these guys aren't the ones that are able to

00:29:49.680 facilitate that right oh let me introduce you to this guy let me introduce you to this guy or a lot of

00:29:54.480 the time since a lot of these crooks don't want to lose the money okay i'll get it for you so i know

00:29:59.920 you know you're a mid-level guy you don't have the ability to gather these weapons for me so i'll go 0.77

00:30:03.600 and look and do a phone you know subpoena on and look at their toll records and i'll see who the hell 0.56

00:30:07.920 they called right after the deal with my undercover that is more than likely the source of supply from

00:30:12.480 which they're going to get the stuff that they're going to talk about for the next one nailed them

00:30:15.840 yep so okay next couple questions next couple questions what is the biggest or most extreme

00:30:23.840 buy if you can say that you've done in both weapons craziest weapon that you've tried to get

00:30:28.640 your hands on and biggest amount of dope that you know you you would put on a bus like you would say

00:30:34.240 we need this amount or whatever it is like how how what levels do you guys go to so you want to

00:30:40.640 stay away and this is i guess a misconception that the movies get wrong all the time when you're the

00:30:44.880 feds right you don't want to go in there buying kilos right you typically start with buying a few

00:30:50.560 grams and ounces and you want to keep it at that ounce level and i'll tell you why here in a second

00:30:54.240 but you want to build up uh buying small quantities and go into the higher quantities and the reason why

00:30:59.920 you don't want to buy kilos is because once you start buying kilos this is where we're talking

00:31:03.200 about 10 20 30 40 000 dollars depending on the drug right like a kilo of meth can go somewhere

00:31:07.760 between 10 to 20k kilo cocaine around 20 to 30k depending on where you're at i was on the southwest

00:31:14.000 border so it was typically around 25 to 30 000 um heroin can be 20 you know 10 to 20 000 so obviously the 0.99

00:31:21.760 government doesn't have money like that you can't be out here just buying drugs all day that's stupid 0.83

00:31:25.600 but what you do do is you do these drug deals to identify other members of the organization and 0.99

00:31:30.720 work your way up and get and you do these operations so you can go ahead and exploit telephones

00:31:35.440 right whether it's you're doing um talent three intercepts you're getting certain you're getting

00:31:40.000 probable cause to do search warrants etc uh you're getting your informant more involved into the

00:31:43.840 criminal organization because when you're spending money they're like oh and they'll start to build trust

00:31:48.160 so um as far as like buying drugs i never bought more than a few ounces at a time and the reason

00:31:55.840 why is because it defeats the purpose right and especially what i was buying i was buying meth i

00:32:00.560 was buying uh and the thing is too with with methamphetamine uh meth has very strict sentencing

00:32:07.200 guidelines and the method i was buying was 90 plus pure so uh in the feds anything over 80 is

00:32:13.840 considered pure and that gives you way higher sentencing guidelines so if i went ahead and bought

00:32:18.960 a kilo of meth versus buying an ounce of meth and it's 90 pure well why would i go ahead and buy 0.84

00:32:24.240 more and spend more money like an idiot versus i could just get a couple ounces to get the evidence 0.96

00:32:27.360 that i need and still at the same time move up the totem pole so it's about being intelligent so 1.00

00:32:31.360 that you don't spend too much money doing stupid stuff because you have a finite amount of money 1.00

00:32:35.280 for your operation damn that's crazy man yeah that's crazy budgeting budgeting my criminal activity 1.00

00:32:41.120 guys so you're going in there and you're you're getting people to come through with you know 0.99

00:32:46.480 meth guns you're building a case so you're saying in a lot of cases you let them go right yeah but

00:32:52.480 you're building it up to that point so let's say you're in a situation where you know you buy i don't

00:32:55.600 know a few ounces off somebody a few guns off somebody you're building it up but then at what

00:32:58.800 point do you guys go okay now it's time we're going to swoop in and get them do you catch them in

00:33:02.400 the act or at that point you've built all the evidence you just come and kick in their door and take

00:33:05.920 them away uh so that really comes down to a tactical strategy so it depends on kind of the level of

00:33:10.320 danger of the targets you're investigating right so like if you know that these are really bad dudes

00:33:14.240 well it might be better for you to get them at six o'clock in the morning with a swat team when

00:33:17.920 with you know when they're in their pajamas um or if you know that you don't necessarily know where

00:33:23.280 they live they move a lot and you know they're all over the place then maybe it's better to bust

00:33:27.840 them at the end of an operation so it depends on your target their living style danger all these

00:33:32.480 things kind of come into equation um for me i would typically just send a swat team in and get

00:33:38.240 them at six in the morning once i had my arrest warrants like i wasn't one of these guys that

00:33:41.120 was like oh i want to kick in the door and we call them taco berries uh guys that like always want to 0.93

00:33:45.520 be involved in in kicking down doors also the shit like me i was more concerned with like building big 0.95

00:33:49.760 cases like i was what you would consider a strong case agent and uh there's different types of agents 0.95

00:33:54.320 you got your guys that like like to do the tech stuff right they just more of a support angle

00:33:58.560 right then they do that like full-time you got your guys that are computer forensics guys that just analyze

00:34:03.040 you know evidence on on uh on computers a lot of times it's child pornography right they're

00:34:08.800 they're getting that evidence and analyzing and doing the forensics finding evidence for you

00:34:12.560 um you got agents that do outreach and other bullshit like that you got agents that do 0.84

00:34:17.600 swat team stuff that all they do is just kicking doors and then you got guys like me that are like

00:34:21.120 i i build strong cases i like when they go and do a press release on an investigation right and it's 0.96

00:34:26.240 like the office's biggest case that's my shit that's what i like doing because that gets you the most 0.84

00:34:30.240 respect in the office by far right i was always really big on doing big um complex organized 0.96

00:34:36.800 conspiracy cases with multiple defendants multiple crimes um multiple jurisdictions multiple countries

00:34:42.720 so that's what i was always interested in doing not necessarily doing all this admin

00:34:45.920 bullshit i cared about doing big cases so let me just rewind for a second right a minute ago 0.88

00:34:51.840 you said when you go and do these busts okay you have these support vehicles everybody's kind 0.99

00:34:56.800 of watching and listening in for if shit goes left of course going guns blazing yeah can you tell me 0.97

00:35:01.440 about a time when shit went left and guns had the blaze uh i'm trying to think here where we um 0.94

00:35:07.920 extracted somebody luckily on my operations it's never happened uh none of my operations ever happened but i 0.86

00:35:15.600 do know like a year ago or a year and a half ago um there was a shooting here in miami uh with with

00:35:23.360 homeland security my my old agency uh and i think it was coral gables or something like that not too

00:35:28.800 far from here and it was our financial group that shot i think i know who the agent is that did that

00:35:33.280 shot him uh but yeah but but luckily for me none of my operations have ever had something like that

00:35:38.960 happen dude you don't want that because then if someone gets shot or someone gets killed or whatever

00:35:43.440 bam now opr office of professional responsibility is going to get involved then you got the um

00:35:48.400 um the uh probably the fdle here in florida uh florida department of law enforcement um they're 0.99

00:35:54.480 going to come in and do an investigation right it's like fuck man so it you you never want that stuff to 0.97

00:36:00.320 happen so thank god like none of my operations ever went left where someone was hurt or we had to 0.98

00:36:04.000 actually like use some kind of force to get an informant or an undercover out and i was able to do

00:36:08.240 that because i had really good informants like um even though a lot of them were shitbags uh i had really

00:36:13.760 good informants that like you know they dealt they were in the game and when they introduced my

00:36:17.840 undercover they did it in such a seamless way where they the crooks a lot of times didn't even

00:36:22.000 really suspect it too much damn okay let me switch gears yeah sure so with everything you know

00:36:28.160 everything i know for entertainment purposes only yeah what would be the best way to get away with 0.98

00:36:34.800 some crimes um or like what what is some shit that that own not only an insider would know but just like

00:36:43.280 like for me for example i often say in interviews and in some of my stuff it's like 0.93

00:36:47.680 yo rappers don't don't rap about the crime specifically don't put in your lyrics

00:36:53.680 we shot this guy this time yeah all this stuff you know recently you got so many people getting

00:36:58.240 indicted you got these rico cases you got young thug young an artist as big as young thug a billboard

00:37:03.120 chart-topping artist talking about we shot at his mom yeah and the dude's mom actually got shot yeah

00:37:08.320 you know what i mean so it's like to me that one's common sense yeah but i'm always just curious to know

00:37:13.680 like what what could or what would a smart criminal do to at least not end up doing go in the self

00:37:21.200 snitching route you know what i mean because for me it's it is simple but it's stuff like look don't

00:37:25.600 rap about the specifics of a crime in the song i and i always think a lot of rap music drill music

00:37:30.160 is better if you can kind of allude to crimes going on without being too specific you know what i mean i

00:37:35.120 think i don't think there's necessarily that many props in talking about the specifics of a crime

00:37:39.440 but i would just be curious to know even like in the modern day because it seems like everything's

00:37:42.480 technological now yeah it's so hard to get away with crimes or to conceal things you've got the

00:37:46.800 ymw melly case yeah where there's you know he's saying oh you know the ops pulled up and shot up

00:37:51.040 the car and they're like well we checked the gps and that didn't happen yeah exactly like that's a

00:37:55.280 nope um so so uh what crime are you specifically do you are you asking we get away with because

00:37:59.840 obviously that will change your strategy significantly depending on the crime well let's go through the

00:38:03.120 let's go through the most obvious and the most the most uh glorified crimes in the game let's say

00:38:09.120 murder i need to kill it up okay i got big there's a big op right okay he's been causing me all kind 0.76

00:38:14.560 of problems yeah okay for months big up i need to trap geek i need to trap me and me and trap geek are 0.98

00:38:20.080 in the same gang we're gonna me and trap the same me and trap geek we're gonna slide on hip-hop daily

00:38:24.000 okay we said we had it with hip-hop daily right we're ready to slide but we're not trying to do any

00:38:28.800 time okay we're in the rico me and him are conspiring yeah right what what could we do

00:38:33.200 for entertainment hypothetically of course guys in the modern day okay if you apply because you

00:38:38.960 cover you cover a lot of serial killer stuff too right yeah i do and like i'm not trying to do any

00:38:43.200 serial killings yeah but like what would be the smartest way to do that we could talk about why

00:38:47.600 serial killers got away the most prolific you know your ted bundy's your john wayne gacy's zodiac killers

00:38:52.960 um night stalkers etc a lot of these guys were able to like operate for as long as they did because um a

00:38:58.720 couple reasons uh number one law enforcement wasn't refined back then where they were sharing

00:39:02.800 information there wasn't uh centralized computer data systems where you could share information

00:39:06.480 like today um they didn't have phone technology to be able to like uh triangulate where a person's

00:39:12.960 geolocation was at a given particular time um dna was not something that actually came out until i

00:39:19.360 want to say around 1987 and they didn't actually formally start using it in trial to convict people

00:39:23.920 until the 90s right i think the first dna conviction was 1987 but they didn't actually refine it

00:39:28.080 and use it until the 90s um and into the 2000s um so all these different uh and then also the

00:39:35.120 people are going to laugh at this but the emergence of the interstate highway interstate highway system

00:39:39.200 also led to uh serial killers being able to get away with it because if you commit a crime in a rinky

00:39:44.400 dink town next day you could be in another state thanks to the interstate highway system so this like

00:39:50.240 ted bundy for example murdered women in like seven different states um samuel little who has 93 kills

00:39:56.480 killed women in like 10 different states and they were able to elude law enforcement a lot of times 0.99

00:40:00.480 by just being mobile and using the interstate highway system to to get around um so that's how

00:40:06.000 those criminals were able to get by but if we're going to go murder right you want to slide on okay

00:40:09.520 okay so so let me let me glean from the amazing information you've given me so far okay so when me

00:40:14.240 and trap geek slide yeah okay on hip-hop daily we can't take our phones on the drill so we're

00:40:18.400 leaving our phones at home absolutely okay you got to leave them there dna so we need to wear gloves

00:40:24.480 yeah probably a mask because as we say in london no face no case exactly so you got mask up glove up

00:40:30.560 no phone how are we gonna get there though i feel like the vehicle if you tying yourself to a vehicle

00:40:35.920 is always always a way to get got so you know what's funny uh i i did a whole podcast on this

00:40:40.800 there's a book out there called hitman a general contractor's uh yeah yeah it's like a manual it's a

00:40:46.240 manual i have it somewhere i have it somewhere in the house maybe i'll go run and get it real quick

00:40:50.800 but there's a book that actually teaches you how to do a hit and this book came out like in the 80s

00:40:55.200 or 90s or something like that and this one criminal actually followed it to a tee and he

00:41:00.240 almost got away with it but then the police did a search warrant at his house found this book and a

00:41:03.760 lot of the things that yeah i know bro a lot of the crimes right a lot of the steps that he had taken

00:41:09.680 were in the book right so and one of the steps was actually to use a rental vehicle to uh to commit

00:41:16.320 the crime and park the rental vehicle far away from the area and then leave on foot and then go

00:41:20.400 pick up your car somewhere else and drive out so well the rent see this is the thing with the rental

00:41:24.480 vehicle that can lead you to the crime we're seeing the young thug situation is looking like the rental

00:41:29.120 is what's gotten him into it yeah so i would and back then they didn't take as much you know um

00:41:34.320 i guess stake in your rental car so i would never uh you definitely don't want a rental car

00:41:38.080 i would say get a stolen vehicle this is what they do in the i don't know if you ever heard the phrase 0.86

00:41:42.160 dinger but in the uk we got a phrase called a dinger which is like you know a dinged up shitty 0.51

00:41:46.160 car that's stolen yeah where if you're going to do a drill you do it in a dinger that's what you

00:41:49.680 slide absolutely but that's the thing where you're going to get a stolen car do you steal the car

00:41:53.600 yourself because now you're racking up several crimes yeah to commit the headline yeah to prepare

00:41:57.840 yeah so you essentially you need a stolen vehicle i would say a stolen vehicle will work i mean it

00:42:03.040 depends if they're not far bro use a bike i know that sounds crazy but like use a bicycle that's the

00:42:09.920 thing because that's the difference right because a bicycle you're not dealing with a license plate

00:42:14.480 it's not easily trackable there's no electronics in there i mean i tell you what like you say with

00:42:19.280 the interstate highway because in london crime has recently been revolutionized by the introduction

00:42:24.560 of the electric scooter oh yeah they apparently the met police were saying that the electric scooters

00:42:30.400 have got criminals working overtime because they can zip over here do a quick crime i mean you've been

00:42:34.240 to london recently right it's like it's quite a small place it's wild mostly public transport and

00:42:38.480 like you can get around do all your all sorts of crimes all over town on the scooter yeah so that's

00:42:43.120 one way of doing it too yeah you want to you definitely i would say when it comes to transportation

00:42:46.480 because like there's so many different ways and it depends on how how far your your target is i guess

00:42:51.360 um but i guess the general rule of thumb is you want to use a mode of transportation that can't

00:42:56.240 necessarily easily link you back and unfortunately vehicles can rental cars can um and then also so let's

00:43:02.720 say you figure out your mode of transportation that doesn't necessarily uh have a trace back to you as

00:43:07.360 much uh the next thing is you got to actually do the drill right so um if we're gonna if you're

00:43:11.760 gonna use guns uh you better take out that barrel after you're done and get rid of that weapon after

00:43:16.320 that's what i would say because after it anytime you shoot a weapon right which i know in london you

00:43:20.800 guys don't have guns but let's assume that you guys did have guns right uh basically what happens

00:43:25.120 is when that bullet goes through that barrel it creates uh that barrel gives that bullet a certain

00:43:30.560 fingerprint it gives it certain swirls that are unique to that barrel so that's how when they do ballistics

00:43:35.200 they're able to figure out oh well these bullets were fired out of the same gun because the same

00:43:39.040 groove pattern so it's quite literally a fingerprint for the bullet that identifies that gun so um so i

00:43:45.440 would obviously take apart the gun completely get rid of that barrel because that's going to be the 0.97

00:43:49.760 most important thing and then uh throw it all over the place like throw different parts of the gun all

00:43:54.160 over the place and get rid of the weapons it it always amazes me how people um keep uh keep the weapons

00:44:00.400 and then also um it's much harder for prosecutors to solve a case when they don't have the body

00:44:05.840 because when they have the body they're able to identify how the person was murdered which will

00:44:10.400 give them clues um you know time of death all that stuff so um getting rid of the body is obviously

00:44:15.440 you know important too if you're going to be a crook another another big people are writing notes

00:44:19.920 right now okay hold on wait what did you say ah chris is like i got a couple of people i don't like

00:44:25.520 it's a it's a bad day for the ops man it's over for the ops so what's that new glock who this

00:44:31.680 yeah so it's okay so another thing i hear about a lot in songs right and this is a hilarious this is

00:44:36.560 one of the most hilarious lyrics that i can even remember yeah who shysty has a lyric where he says

00:44:40.720 my my chop has got a shell catcher we don't leave clues coming from a man that left quite a lot of clues

00:44:47.200 but the shell casings yeah that's bad news leaving those behind right yes because that is how they're

00:44:53.040 going to be able if they do find the gun they'll be able to match up the shell casings

00:44:56.720 with the the barrel of the gun and be able to say conclusively these bullets were fired from this

00:45:01.280 gun because every gun barrel has a very distinctive groove pattern am i right in thinking that revolvers

00:45:06.880 don't leave shell casings uh they don't eject them yeah they don't eject them yeah got it but the

00:45:12.800 problem with revolvers even though they're fantastic guns from like a reliability standpoint they don't

00:45:16.960 jam etc they've stood the test of time uh you only get six bullets so you know you better be 0.96

00:45:21.520 pretty damn accurate and you gotta reload those manually yeah yeah actually yeah that's trash

00:45:25.920 actually matter of fact the revolver used to be the main gun that law enforcement agencies

00:45:30.320 the united states use but after i want to say 1986 the fbi got in a huge shootout here in miami

00:45:36.560 actually i did a whole case on if y'all want to go check it out the fbi uh shootout and i think it

00:45:40.160 was 1986 where the dudes were using rifles and guns and semi-automatic pistols and they killed a bunch

00:45:46.000 of agents and that's when they realized holy crap we need to give our law enforcement officers

00:45:50.000 guns with better stopping power and that's when most agencies switched over to semi-automatic handguns

00:45:54.160 that allowed them to have higher magazine capacities jeez that's super interesting yeah and they

00:45:58.080 started getting them like you know ar-15s etc because the two guys that they were following

00:46:02.320 one of them was an army ranger and the other guy had some some other military experience so um those

00:46:07.600 guys not only were trained to operate that weaponry they were trained to attack the threat versus like

00:46:13.600 law enforcement teaches you more along the lines of like how to uh you know more defensive shooting how to

00:46:18.400 get rid of a threat when they come at you these guys were pressing upon them and they had superior

00:46:22.560 firepower to be able to push on them because they were like fighting um out in the street hiding behind 0.99

00:46:27.520 cars and stuff like that and they just have revolvers you can't compete with a fucking machine gun 0.91

00:46:31.360 when they have revolvers so that's what kind of made law enforcement uh switch handguns some higher 0.94

00:46:35.600 capacity magazine guns and also they started giving them ar shotguns uh uzis or excuse me mp5s american

00:46:43.360 cops are like this crazy loadout these days bro i see i see the dude at the airport and it's just some

00:46:47.520 call of duty yeah it's nuts so you said a minute ago the best the best crime for entertainment

00:46:53.200 purposes only of course but the best crime where there's no body so that immediately makes me think

00:46:58.080 breaking bad barrel full of acid but i feel like that's just some movie yeah right like what uh

00:47:04.480 what what i mean i mean i don't know from like cases that you've looked into or covered or been

00:47:08.480 involved in yeah like what are the situations where a body is turned up unexpectedly i mean i'm thinking of

00:47:14.320 like there was a case where i think it was linked to like gs9 in new york where they the guy floated

00:47:19.840 up yes on a beach she was like an associate bobby schmidt i remember i know what you're talking about

00:47:24.320 apparently that's actually not that's more from the movies like people don't really be doing the

00:47:27.920 cement shoes but i don't know like what even just like situations where a body is turned up and got

00:47:34.000 somebody caught where maybe it shouldn't have anything you know in that department um yeah i mean a lot

00:47:38.960 of the time uh with with serial killer murders right like right they'll they'll dump the body

00:47:44.160 somewhere hoping that no one finds it but they actually do um you know um like the green river

00:47:50.000 killer out there in washington state uh they found a bunch of the bodies in like rural areas like right

00:47:55.200 right by the river and that's why they call them the green river killers because they they found the

00:47:58.560 bodies right by that green river um but that you know that's just them being sloppy right because like

00:48:03.600 the issue a lot of these dudes is like they were into necrophilia so they would come back and like 0.94

00:48:07.680 yeah yeah they would come back and like look at the bodies and do their weird shit ted bunny used 0.96

00:48:11.360 to do this too so um i guess their strange sexual urges overrode any type of rational thought as to 0.98

00:48:18.800 how to get away with the murder and and and the thing is that they had the advantage that a lot of

00:48:23.040 serial killers have is that like there's no real clear link between them and the victims most of the

00:48:27.120 time the victim typically just fits some kind of mold that they like and and it was just like a

00:48:31.520 random encounter where they found them and they're able to kill them which is very hard to detect motive

00:48:36.080 but um but yeah you guys i would say getting rid of the weapon and getting rid of them uh the body

00:48:40.800 are critical components to avoid getting caught for sure that's crazy man so okay and not having a 0.84

00:48:46.800 phone like like y w melly for example he is fucked because they have the phones like i know and here's 0.99

00:48:52.320 i know somebody on the choke oh my god free melly whatever guys i had to say bro they just put the 0.83

00:48:56.000 death penalty back on the table there is no way he's beating that case see that's a really interesting

00:49:00.320 case because it kind of touches on several other things we've just said right because it's like you got the

00:49:03.760 phone gps got him and then also they put the bodies back in the car and drove them to the hospital right

00:49:08.800 so the bodies are there yep and then they did the forensic analysis on the bodies and said a lot of

00:49:12.400 the shots came from inside the car exactly and then they found one of the shell casings what was it like

00:49:16.640 inside the car in a plastic bag in the back left seat where melly was sitting they found the shell casing

00:49:21.360 there and the other thing too as well is that um they were able to like look at their wound patterns

00:49:26.640 and they saw like wait the way they were shot the way their injuries are there is no way that they got shot

00:49:31.840 from a vehicle passing by like because because the bullet holes on the side of the car that million

00:49:36.400 is and portland shot into the vehicle to try to create this illusion they hit with a shot um with

00:49:41.200 the drive-by didn't match up with the wound patterns of the victims so that's how the police were able

00:49:45.120 to quickly be like yo no they were shot from inside and also the bodies had something called stipeling on

00:49:50.160 them and stipeling is a burn mark anytime you're shot at damn near close range so that's an indicator

00:49:55.760 and it's like a little burn like a brown thing on the on the neck i think when they shot 0.96

00:50:00.160 their friends and uh that's how they knew it was a close range damn near like execution kill shot

00:50:05.280 as well and it wasn't a drive-by what do you think happened in that melee situation just like

00:50:09.360 just speculation like what do you think went down because for me sometimes i think about that and

00:50:13.600 it's like the thing a lot of people wonder about this thing i do too and it's like i've seen a lot of

00:50:18.960 you know before it went down i was a fan of him and i you know seen a lot of footage of him with his

00:50:23.200 with his guys that ended up dying and you just think like why would he do that and often i wonder

00:50:28.160 whether it was a genuine mistake because you always see him toting guns yeah showing guns to

00:50:32.880 the camera running around with guns drugs drink alcohol weed it's not unthinkable that he was just

00:50:40.560 high in the back of the car and just squeeze the trigger too hard and yeah

00:50:43.600 fucked up and then just scrambled to try and fix it but at the same time there could be a lot more 0.90

00:50:48.320 to the story between their personal relationship but in your opinion like as an agent and also just 0.94

00:50:53.600 somebody with an interest in music like what would you just speak pure speculation of like what you

00:50:57.760 think went down that day so what what i think happened um and then this is a really like

00:51:02.320 interesting case right uh because you got you know a hip-hop artist who was literally at like the peak

00:51:08.320 yeah right and and just and now he's facing the worst charge ever and he's looking at the death penalty

00:51:14.160 so what i think happened is is this they left the music studio right and then they went to the secluded

00:51:20.240 area and it's very obvious right that the fire the shots were fired from you know inside the vehicle

00:51:26.080 right you find a shell casing in there you got stifling you see the wound patterns are indicative

00:51:29.920 of more of a close range shot so he shoots the two i think an argument potentially ensued 0.99

00:51:35.200 or they had planned it shot them killed them right and then they're like damn what are we going to do with 1.00

00:51:41.760 the bodies and that's when they devised this stupid idea or maybe they had a device before 0.99

00:51:48.000 where they're going to shoot into the vehicle and be okay but the problem is that millie didn't 0.99

00:51:52.720 realize that not only were they going to match up the ballistics and the bullet holes and the wound

00:51:57.200 patterns but also his phone is you know the nail in the coffin because the phone they were able to

00:52:04.080 pinpoint that he stepped out the vehicle walked around and shot into it to be able to create this

00:52:09.520 illusion and they have it like point by point where you can't refute cell phone geolocation data you

00:52:15.520 know um so that's what's going to end up sinking him is that like and the other thing too is that

00:52:20.320 they gave statements to the police that completely contradict the hard evidence that you cannot

00:52:25.840 refute like it completely doesn't make sense so that also you know goes into showing them trying to

00:52:31.760 decept the police um and then only i think the biggest thing was people were like what's the motive

00:52:36.080 what's the motive well we know um one of them had a financial dispute with meli and i know meli's

00:52:41.440 mother had a dispute with one of them as well so i mean that could have been a motive as well i think

00:52:46.160 the prosecutors have been investigating and they figured out there was something around like 500

00:52:49.520 000 or something like that that there was um some arguments about but um yeah i mean that's what i

00:52:56.320 speculate happen is they they they killed them in that random area because the area they killed them

00:53:00.000 too it's not too far from here it's like 20 30 minutes from here it's the middle of nowhere bro it's

00:53:03.120 crazy in miramar so in your opinion going back to what we were saying a minute ago getting away with

00:53:07.200 a crime obviously i don't mean to disrespect anybody obviously you know rest in peace to the

00:53:11.680 people that lost their lives in that situation of course but in light of what we've just discussed

00:53:16.160 as far as like getting away with crimes let's say you put yourself in meli's chutes yeah right and

00:53:20.720 you wanted to do this and essentially you know that moment after they shot up the car from the inside

00:53:25.040 let's say they hatched this plan we're going to shoot with the car we're going to send bortland to

00:53:28.720 the hospital with the bodies meli just left like yeah and like what what i mean i realistically i'm

00:53:36.080 just going to come around and say like what could they have done to get away with it well for one

00:53:40.320 not have their phones um they also up bortland's up by speaking to the police um and then also a

00:53:46.640 lot of meli's friends got caught in lies for him i think fredo bang lied on his behalf and said no

00:53:50.960 he was with me when in reality he wasn't or so or someone said that meli was in their car driving

00:53:56.080 with them to a certain location but when they actually looked at the phone location data of that

00:53:59.440 individual it did not coincide with meli's phone so that's how they knew that that individual

00:54:04.080 was lying and he meli was not actually in the vehicle with him so um so i would say not having

00:54:09.520 phones with you when you commit a crime like that is very important number two not even speaking to

00:54:14.400 the police at all not giving a statement because what happens is when you give a statement now they

00:54:17.680 got you on a story and then they go back to the forensic evidence they go back to the phone location

00:54:21.680 data they go back to the uh ballistics etc and they figure out okay this is a lie and then automatically

00:54:28.640 they're like wait hold on that means you're probably the shooter because you you lied like

00:54:32.560 ridiculously well i feel like it's funny because it's almost like speaking to the police is

00:54:36.480 generally considered extremely suspicious in you know i guess i don't know better way to put it

00:54:41.520 like pseudo criminal circles you know meli claimed himself to be a gang member right yeah so it's

00:54:47.600 almost unusual that they would go to the hospital and suddenly want to talk to the cops right yeah

00:54:51.280 that that almost in itself is a little bit i don't think meli gave the police a statement but

00:54:55.040 portland did and that's what kind of made everything like not make sense it seems like really like you

00:55:00.000 say you know the phones you just cooked yeah the phones the phones got them dead to rights dude

00:55:05.520 because you can't you can't argue that you literally cannot refute that and then all the ballistic

00:55:09.840 evidence lines up with uh with what the police theorize and it's this is this is uh the ymle case

00:55:16.400 is a perfect example of circumstantial evidence working in tandem together to build a picture right so

00:55:22.640 if you got one piece of evidence okay he was here at this time with the phone right that's not that

00:55:27.120 strong but then you add in the bullet casing in the back you add in the fact that they found glass

00:55:32.800 shards from that same vehicle at that location after the fact that proves that they were there 0.92

00:55:37.040 alongside the phone evidence you look at the wound patterns of uh how they were shot the stipling where

00:55:41.760 it was proven it was um you know close range uh how the shots that went into the vehicle from this

00:55:47.360 alleged drive-by didn't match up all these little pieces of circumstantial evidence paint a story where

00:55:52.240 it could not have been anything else but what the police are theorizing which is why their case is

00:55:57.680 so strong because even though they don't have the murder weapon you know even though uh they don't

00:56:01.520 have a confession and they don't have like hard hard proof they have a significant amount of

00:56:05.920 circumstantial evidence that paints the picture for them and the beauty is is that this circumstantial

00:56:09.680 evidence is rooted in in uh in uh i guess evidence right not to be sound redundant here that can't

00:56:16.400 really be disputed you can't dispute wound patterns you can't dispute geolocation data you can't dispute um

00:56:21.680 um uh bullet trajectories right you can't dispute um methods of dying wound patterns of stifling you

00:56:27.520 can't you can't right even though they go to a place and give a whole other story you can't refute

00:56:32.000 it so that's that's what makes the case so strong is that it's circumstantial evidence working perfectly

00:56:36.400 uh together to paint a picture man it's a crazy case you know he's been sat down i think for four

00:56:42.720 years now yeah dude it's crazy i hope he gets a trial soon i want to die i want to know one way or the

00:56:47.120 other yeah it's insane but speaking of trials i know we spoke about it briefly off camera sure

00:56:53.760 they got the top g they do get the top g that was not the news i was expecting to finish off the year

00:56:59.360 with you know tate got arrested i just don't know what to think there's been a lot of misinformation

00:57:05.600 about it you seem very informed on the situation i think maybe you've already spoken on this on camera

00:57:10.000 yeah but i don't know if there's a way maybe you could break down to me some of what you were saying

00:57:13.200 about you know what he's dealing with and maybe like what he's up against and and you know what

00:57:18.400 the people can expect maybe yeah so i got this information directly from like a romanian police

00:57:22.880 officer and like how they do things and it's a very different world over there in romania versus

00:57:27.600 united states and essentially they got a search warrant right and when they get a search warrant

00:57:33.440 it grants the police a period of 24 hours to detain the people that are behind that are that are

00:57:38.880 alleged to be behind the crimes and in that 24 hours right the prosecutor and the police

00:57:44.160 against the 24 hours they have to go ahead and gather evidence so if they gather evidence within

00:57:49.120 that 24 hours right um that they think is sufficient they present to the judge and they say hey we need

00:57:55.360 this person detained for 30 days right um and in this case right a lot of people like oh they must have

00:58:02.000 followed something that's why they're detaining andrew blah blah blah well that could be a part of it but

00:58:06.400 you guys also got to remember that according to you know social media how the police view things

00:58:11.600 whatever they look at andrew as a flight risk he has a lot of money he's famous he has multiple

00:58:16.320 passports etc he is the perfect example of someone that the government can argue oh we need him behind

00:58:22.480 bars because he can run also they're scared that he might influence witnesses that's another thing too

00:58:27.200 as well why they're like oh we don't want him out so all these people that are saying oh he's guilty

00:58:31.280 he's guilty they're holding him for 30 days blah blah you guys got to understand that a big part

00:58:34.480 of the reason why they're holding him isn't necessarily the evidence it's because of who he

00:58:37.920 is right which is kind of fucked up to be honest with y'all but they're looking at it like he could 0.62

00:58:42.880 flee at any time he has another home in dubai in the uae in dubai so i think his status and his income 0.77

00:58:48.560 and his uh accessibility to passports is the real reason why they're holding him not necessarily that

00:58:53.360 they have solid evidence against them because i mean i spent a significant amount of time with tristan

00:58:57.920 and andrew and they're the furthest thing from human smugglers human traffickers i mean you know

00:59:04.240 uh when we would have our when we had parties and everything like that and girls would come

00:59:07.760 and show up or whatever i remember there were girls that like were very rude weren't polite annoying as 1.00

00:59:13.200 hell and uh and they were rude to tristan right even though it was there's at his house hanging out

00:59:18.400 there he still went out of his way to get them a driver home to get the maneuver he'd give them cash to get

00:59:23.600 a taxi like he ensured every girl actually got home so in my head i'm like all right so you're

00:59:28.000 telling me that he's running a human trafficking organization but he's over here going out of his

00:59:32.320 way to make sure that women get home safe and then on top of that none of these allegations ever came

00:59:36.480 out before when they had 75 plus models and were running like an entire webcam industry but now you

00:59:40.720 want to tell me 10 years after the fact when they've significantly downsized their um webcam slash only

00:59:46.320 fans operation that girls want to come forward now it doesn't make sense so why pick now right to 1.00

00:59:51.920 come out and say this stuff when i know they significantly downsize that portion of their

00:59:54.640 business like they don't do the webcamming stuff like that anymore they have a couple

00:59:57.520 models that work for them but they know them they've been with them for years so that is what also had

01:00:02.480 me like this is this is some bullshit and i think when you are someone like andrew that is outspoken 0.61

01:00:10.800 sharp intelligent knows how the world really works etc and you go against the grain of what people 0.97

01:00:17.120 say do and believe well you're going to build a lot of enemies um and quite frankly a lot of

01:00:22.000 people are jealous of them and his success right this is why all these people run around and say

01:00:25.920 fake alpha male toxic masculinity blah blah blah i've never once heard uh andrew referred to himself

01:00:31.600 as alpha male right so it's or tristan but uh but that's what i think is that's kind of what's going

01:00:38.080 on is they're being held more along the lines of because of their status versus like real evidence

01:00:43.520 something i want to ask you about this specifically yeah i believe one of the uh

01:00:50.080 women making allegations against him or a woman included in the case is an american woman right

01:00:55.440 yes and it was the same situation where it was he you know the he got his house raided before

01:01:00.400 i could tell you the story on that one well that's not so much i'd definitely be interested

01:01:03.840 in hearing that but i just wanted to ask you specifically do you think because like you say

01:01:08.720 there's a lot of hate against him you know i want to see where the case goes could they try

01:01:12.320 and extradite him to the u.s somehow for this with a human trafficking with an american woman

01:01:16.080 involved do you think that's the play no not at all because yeah because um because she wasn't

01:01:21.920 trafficked so uh so i'll tell you guys the facts on that one real quick and then we can go into the

01:01:25.600 united states potentially being involved um that girl right basically was there at a party and they 0.99

01:01:32.080 have her on footage right they have like 20 girls at the house and and they had like a house party 0.99

01:01:36.720 and that girl was just there at the house her boyfriend sees her at the tate's house hey what 0.99

01:01:43.120 are you doing over there blah blah her in a panic oh shit instead of admitting that like yo you're 0.99

01:01:48.880 probably cheating or doing something that you shouldn't be doing that your boyfriend doesn't 0.99

01:01:52.320 want you to do she goes and says oh i'm forced to be here i didn't want i didn't want to be here

01:01:57.360 i'm here against my will right so the boyfriend instead of you know thinking logically and rashly like

01:02:02.960 all right maybe maybe she's just lying to me whatever he calls the embassy and the embassy

01:02:07.280 right gets this information u.s citizen being held against their will by the famous state brothers of

01:02:12.080 course they're gonna oh this is a press headline let's do something about this so they call the

01:02:16.160 romanians hey we need you to go search this house blah blah we got information that there's an american

01:02:20.320 woman being held there well of course the romanian romanians are going to listen to what them

01:02:24.400 what the americans request right so they go and they search the house they find out none of the girls are 0.99

01:02:28.560 there and they actually go back and look at the surveillance footage when they look back at the

01:02:32.160 surveillance footage they find out that the girl not only was she was there right i guess uh you

01:02:37.120 know willingly was she there willingly and all having fun and partying with all the girls drinking 0.96

01:02:41.040 eating all this other crap um she ordered her pizza left the house got the pizza and came back 0.75

01:02:48.080 so they're like what the hell so they didn't press anything right so they had no charges no nothing 0.99

01:02:52.400 but of course they had to go ahead and do an investigation because there was a serious

01:02:55.280 allegation made right so nothing ended up coming of that now let's go and talk about is this going

01:02:59.680 to affect them statewide so i've done human trafficking investigations before and a lot

01:03:04.880 of the times human trafficking investigations are very contingent upon victims coming forward and you

01:03:10.080 know be you being able to corroborate that evidence from what i've seen with some of these women that 0.90

01:03:16.160 have come forward or whatever they have way too many ulterior motives to be taken seriously or be

01:03:20.240 credible witnesses you know what i mean because there's there's a lot to gain from trying to throw

01:03:24.560 andrew and tristan under the bus i totally get what you're saying and i i think you know i'm going

01:03:30.080 to i really you know i'm i think everybody in the world is watching this case and just being like

01:03:35.280 where is this going to go i don't think anyone even expected this to happen the news was just i

01:03:39.360 couldn't believe what i was seeing but yeah i guess i want to know obviously you know andrew says

01:03:44.160 i mean he said during his arrest he was being attacked by the matrix yeah um you know i know you've

01:03:50.160 spent time with him and i think you you know i think you're making a strong case for for him not

01:03:54.080 being involved in these things but i guess it's it's more a case of like could they make it so that

01:04:00.560 he would get extra for example like that woman i completely understand what you're saying you know

01:04:04.160 makes sense to me if andrew flew her from the us to be there originally could they try and turn

01:04:10.240 that around and extradite him on some because i don't know much about human trafficking laws you're 1.00

01:04:14.320 the expert like i'm not saying maybe like we need to move the conversation away from like

01:04:19.280 him being innocent to just like what could they let's say that the matrix is attacking him how

01:04:24.320 could they is is there a potential for them to to try to get them on u.s charges from what i see right

01:04:29.680 now no from what from what i see because um yes she's a u.s citizen but any type of crime that they're

01:04:36.400 alleging typically is occurred in romania which is outside of the u.s u.s jurisdiction like there's not

01:04:41.040 many crimes that they can prosecute you for outside of the united states um just because like i know

01:04:48.240 terrorism is one right so like killing u.s citizens foreign right through terrorism you 0.71

01:04:53.440 can definitely get hit with that right um but as far as trafficking i'm not aware of any statutes

01:05:01.280 where you can charge someone for that crime when it's committed abroad even if the victim is a u.s

01:05:10.080 citizen got it okay and and the other thing too is that her just off of this surveillance footage alone 1.00

01:05:16.960 where she left the house and came back proves that there's so i would say that case there's no way

01:05:21.760 they'd be able to do that because she already proved herself that she's not credible if there 0.96

01:05:25.920 was a statute out there that i'm not aware of to be honest with you i feel like there's so many weird

01:05:29.680 things about this situation like like you say that i remember thinking like that girl that because i

01:05:33.600 remember that story of like she got sent out to get pizza yeah and then now there's this whole thing

01:05:37.520 of like oh the video where he's got the pizza and the pizza obviously it turned out that the pizza had

01:05:41.680 nothing to do with his being his arrest yeah not at all but like this thing was like there's pizza

01:05:46.000 involved it's like yeah bro the the thing is just so bizarre i'm just like so it's two different

01:05:50.160 things that like the girl went to go get pizza which was at the party and then the other one is when

01:05:53.920 he responded to greta thunberg he had pizza boxes there from a romanian chain and they said that's how 0.99

01:05:59.200 the police were able to identify him being in romania and in my head i'm like what the hell stupid 0.99

01:06:03.600 that's the dumbest thing ever because anytime you come into a country right the country's going to 0.99

01:06:08.720 keep a log of people that come in and they're not romanian citizens so they're more incentivized to 0.98

01:06:12.640 track them and the tates dude the way they move you everybody knows they're there and they're there

01:06:17.120 right they they have their cars their compound like they're they were celebrities they're like a-list

01:06:22.240 celebrities in in romania and that they were like that before the blow up all over the rest of the

01:06:26.400 world so one of the tates are in you in romania they know dude so like what for them to say oh they

01:06:32.000 knew that they were there because of pizza boxes in the screen is preposterous i mean from the background

01:06:36.880 alone you got everyone knows that's his war room in his home in romania so i thought that was

01:06:41.280 hilarious when they said oh yeah they discovered it because of a pizza case and it's just like what

01:06:44.960 the is it true that his compound is on google maps yeah that's that's crazy yeah yeah it's crazy yeah

01:06:51.200 but he's a guy that seems to uh maybe i maybe doesn't want it if you go on uber you type in it

01:06:56.240 literally says the tate house and it's there but he has security so if you try they're gonna they're

01:06:59.920 gonna you up but no way but yeah well yeah dude it's it's literally you could google i was shocked so

01:07:05.920 because i i recently re-watched the vlogs with fresh and you over there yeah hanging out in the

01:07:11.280 house i i'm fascinated by him you know he's a fascinating guy i've watched a lot a lot of take

01:07:15.040 content yeah but like you know that compound just is just this crazy place like yeah it's got the red 0.84

01:07:21.840 pool got like the larder by the pool it's just this incredible place i mean if you know setting

01:07:26.320 aside all the stuff with the case like what is your experience of just like being there because that

01:07:31.280 place no matter what's going on it's an iconic place in the world he is known internationally for

01:07:37.680 his mansion his car collection yeah all that so like i don't know what was it like being there

01:07:42.560 it's really nice man um it's it's uh it's really nice and like you know shout out to tape brothers

01:07:48.640 for opening up their home to us and fresh and you know and letting us stay there and we spent a

01:07:53.600 significant amount of time with them we're there for like two three weeks um and it was it was awesome

01:07:58.400 man like like and this is why like when you get to know people people might say oh well myron you're

01:08:02.720 biased because they're your friends or whatever listen man i'm a pretty good judge of character

01:08:06.160 and these dudes are the definition of character you know they're men of their word they do what

01:08:11.040 they say and mean what they say and they take the care of the people around them you know they have a

01:08:15.040 entire staff that you know maintains the home and everything and and you know they know all of them by

01:08:19.600 first name they they they talk to them they know their families etc like these dudes are not

01:08:25.680 monsters whatsoever it's quite literally the opposite and i've seen them be polite and nice

01:08:30.400 to women even when they didn't necessarily deserve it when they're being annoying as hell 1.00

01:08:34.560 like you know they're like he's over here get girls ubers that were being rude i don't even do that 1.00

01:08:38.080 shit like get the fuck out my house you know but trista goes above and beyond to take care of any 1.00

01:08:41.760 girl that shows up at his house whether he likes or not hey get home safely here you go bam complete 0.99

01:08:46.720 gentleman him answer him and injure so it was awesome being there seeing them how they live their lives and

01:08:51.520 everything that everything that uh you guys see in the videos is real they they definitely walk it

01:08:56.240 like they talk it when it comes to you know having a certain lifestyle you know the cars the girls 0.99

01:09:02.160 etc like girls run to these guys so i guess something i'd be curious about is you know what whatever

01:09:07.680 happens with the situation it feels like for so long they've been talking about how much they love

01:09:12.400 living in romania and being away from this sort of you know in a way like not having to deal with 1.00

01:09:18.480 this kind of stuff that it sounds like he was having sort of issues in london when he he left

01:09:23.280 the uk do you think he'll stay in romania after this with the situation that's happened or could you

01:09:28.320 see him going you know what i'm gonna switch it up now because what's going on i think maybe he'll go

01:09:32.400 to uae yeah probably you know it's it's uh you know he he recently bought a home there really really

01:09:38.160 nice house uh he converted to islam it just might make might make more sense and i think also him

01:09:43.840 converting to islam might have been a reason too why they decided let's go after andrew because i

01:09:48.720 mean romania is a very um uh catholic country or christian i don't i don't i forget what it's one

01:09:54.720 of the two so that could be a reason too you know because he used to donate a lot of money to the

01:09:58.960 churches uh andrew yeah interesting so that could be a reason too there's just so many other like

01:10:05.440 like outside factors where they're going after him where it's like yo this is but i know it's

01:10:09.840 bullshit charges like there's so many other different things his conversion them being famous

01:10:13.600 them having multiple passports them having money etc all these things i think are the real reasons 0.88

01:10:18.640 why they're holding them in jail for 30 days versus actually having like real solid evidence you know

01:10:23.760 so it is what it is i i mean uh this whole process this whole thing is kind of pissed me

01:10:30.640 off it fucked up my new year's i didn't do anything i just sat inside uh because to be honest like 0.97

01:10:34.960 when i saw a video of him walking out in cuffs it really bothered me because when you know

01:10:38.960 someone personally and you see them going through this and being wrongfully accused

01:10:42.400 uh i can't describe the feeling it's like just this this this feeling of uh extreme rage and anger

01:10:48.560 that i can't necessarily put a word to does it make you worry that like some like this might

01:10:53.040 happen to you or it's all this this sphere of men going against the grain and kind of uh being attacked

01:10:59.760 yeah does it make you i mean how do you feel because you're i don't want to disrespect you but you're

01:11:04.000 kind of in this area where realm of people that kind of hated online or no no no you're being

01:11:08.720 factual dude no and like you're right it's interesting i i like i don't really see myself

01:11:12.880 as in that realm but i have an interest i mean i watch a lot of take content i watch a lot of your

01:11:16.640 content you know i watch all sorts of different people yeah academics has been attacked on a lot

01:11:20.240 of different fronts over the years you know he's somebody i really look up to even adam no jumper

01:11:24.720 kind of you know people attack him on all sorts of fronts for sure and it's sort of like

01:11:27.760 i get a certain kind of i get more kind of like this sort of reverse racial hate yeah they call

01:11:34.480 you guys culture vultures yeah yeah all sorts of stuff like no one that's caucasian can report 0.99

01:11:38.400 on hip-hop apparently you vlad adam none of y'all could talk about it you guys are culture vultures i

01:11:42.960 can only make videos on rock and roll stories they told me so i don't know any of those stories so i

01:11:47.120 don't know what i'm gonna do but i guess i mean this this you know not to not to bring the tone down

01:11:51.520 but like do you worry some shit like that could happen to you or like the the you know the matrix will send 0.83

01:11:55.920 their agents i mean that's the kind of dumb way of putting it yeah i mean it's it's always a fear 0.95

01:11:59.920 um because to be honest i think i say more offensive stuff than tate you know what i mean i it always

01:12:05.760 baffles me how they go so hard on andrew when he said so many good things about women saying they 1.00

01:12:10.800 need to be protected they need to be loved for it need to be your man needs to provide you pay for the 1.00

01:12:14.000 date all this positive stuff about women but then they go ahead and they want to say some stupid 1.00

01:12:18.640 shit about oh he's a messagist whatever like he says way more uplifting stuff about women 0.99

01:12:22.480 then anyone gives them credit for it but for me i'm like well you know if i was to hit uh that that 0.98

01:12:29.200 level of fame or whatever they'd probably come after me even harder because i said i say stuff uh

01:12:34.480 less less uh less polite than he does so um but yeah man i mean this is what i've come to realize

01:12:39.840 i talked about this with zuby um any type of content that uh promotes masculinity becoming a better man

01:12:48.640 or being more attractive and dating is always going to be looked at as like toxically masculine

01:12:54.720 because what i've realized is this anytime you teach a guy how to become more attractive or how

01:12:59.840 to navigate the dating space it inherently puts women in a very bad light because the things it 1.00

01:13:06.400 takes for you to be attractive reveal extremely unflattering realities about women i'll give you an 0.64

01:13:12.960 example giving a girl flowers being a nice guy and being a gentleman used to work 50 60 years ago

01:13:20.000 when women respected men in general but in today's day and age you do that most women do not respect 0.99

01:13:25.040 men in general so you have to do things and have dark triad traits that might paint you as an asshole 0.98

01:13:31.200 for a woman to be aroused by you right so um even though excuse me like maybe not being all on 1.00

01:13:38.080 her ass not texting her not simping for her not taking her to on expensive nice dates without you 0.99

01:13:43.040 know vetting her first all of these things right though true put paint women in a certain light 1.00

01:13:48.800 where oh they just come off as gold digging horse i'm not saying that but what i am saying is that

01:13:54.480 you have to move a certain way with modern day women that and when i admit tell people this stuff 1.00

01:13:58.320 what it takes to actually be attractive there's no way there's no way you could beat around the bush

01:14:02.960 it makes women look bad but the reality is that women are attracted to things that make them look 0.97

01:14:07.440 bad that's the cold hard truth they're attracted to bad boys they're attracted to guys that don't 0.99

01:14:10.880 give a fuck they're attracted to guys that put themselves first over them hell they are attracted 1.00

01:14:15.120 to guys like me that say women deserve less but coming out soon but but in general um this is why 0.99

01:14:21.360 that this kind of content is hated so much because uh we destroy the disney fairy tales and tell guys

01:14:26.400 what it actually takes to be attractive with women see that i find this so interesting so i've watched

01:14:30.960 tons of your content yeah i've spent time in miami i've spent time dating in london i've spent time in

01:14:36.400 a small town in the uk and i sometimes wonder like do you ever feel like your approach towards

01:14:42.480 women is very urban like big city focus because i feel like in some ways like miami it's the women

01:14:48.960 in miami are kind of similar to the women in london but they're different to the women in like small 1.00

01:14:52.800 town countryside type places for sure do you ever feel like uh you know those truths that you expose which

01:14:59.520 i think there's a lot a lot true to them but do you ever feel like it's sort of almost like

01:15:04.480 hyper focused to a certain type of because essentially right what is a demographic of

01:15:09.040 women and also a certain demographic of men because you're it's almost like you're competing you're the

01:15:14.400 types of women you're talking about and the type of man you are you're competing in the nba of dating

01:15:17.840 right yeah and in a way it's almost like the the the advice that you give it's way more it's high level

01:15:22.560 advice right yeah and it's almost like i wonder whether um you wouldn't get attacked i wonder whether

01:15:29.040 you get attacked so much because it's almost like you're talking about the most extreme dating

01:15:34.000 scenarios okay and i think maybe from the mainstream or even like because you've got the internet you've

01:15:38.960 got people all over the world that maybe haven't experienced that or don't even know those those

01:15:43.200 truths or have an experience dating at that extreme concentrated variety and it's almost like do you

01:15:49.600 think that attracts more hate to you and even tate like for example tate it's like he basically reached

01:15:54.320 this level of social media where he was so polarizing everybody knew who he was there was

01:15:58.720 no getting away from him yeah there's a lot of things to agree with things to disagree with too

01:16:02.560 and it was almost like he kind of flew too close to the sun and it was just like there was no way

01:16:06.480 for him to continue existing if that makes sense yeah do you know what i'm saying yeah yeah they

01:16:10.080 yeah because his message was so strong that they were like we just got to cancel him you know

01:16:13.280 what i mean we can't we can't debunk his points let's just cancel him um i would say so as far

01:16:19.120 as like um the content like i guess like being for higher levels of dating no for sure right like

01:16:25.120 being in miami i've always said it is the olympics of of dating and hypergamy but what i would say is

01:16:29.600 that if women dated within their own classes this wouldn't be a problem but the issue is they don't 1.00

01:16:34.800 okay that's really right the hypergamy thing is interesting because it's like

01:16:38.800 the olympics of dating that's such a good way of putting it right because i feel like it's almost like

01:16:42.720 it takes both sides because it's it's like you've got the men that are the olympics of dating you're

01:16:46.160 talking about high level men the guys in miami that get in all the girls they got the boat they 0.80

01:16:49.840 got all this stuff yeah and then you've got obviously a lot of the women you're talking 1.00

01:16:52.880 about the high level women the most attractive women yeah in miami miami seems to attract people 1.00

01:16:57.520 flock from all over the country to come here and get that high level man right yeah but i guess it

01:17:01.440 what i'm trying to articulate is it's like i guess the reason you get attacked so much is because

01:17:06.480 you're kind of talking about this concentrated type of dating but then you've got women all over the 1.00

01:17:10.000 country getting exposed to the content exactly that maybe aren't participating in the olympics of

01:17:14.640 dating yeah and they feel like it doesn't it's like applying the olympic rules to them and they're

01:17:20.800 playing in the amateur league okay and i like okay that's that's a fantastic point that you brought up

01:17:24.720 well see it wouldn't matter if we didn't have instagram and and i and i say like and i want to

01:17:30.560 talk about this in detail in my book how social media dating apps etc have literally changed the game

01:17:35.920 like it has taken the dating game and flopped it on its head because you know um maybe 30 40 years ago

01:17:44.640 a girl would be lucky if two good guys came to her front door a year nowadays 200 guys can come to

01:17:51.200 her door in a day so what that's basically done right and they've done you know you could look at

01:17:56.160 like the ice cream study where like they they show someone three flavors versus 50 flavors when you give

01:18:01.200 them three flavors they're able to make a decision but when you give them to 50 flavors they're not

01:18:04.720 and what's happened is that women have a kind of a paradox of choice and though a girl might be average 0.99

01:18:10.560 herself the internet people giving her attention people telling her she's beautiful etc via the

01:18:17.840 internet allows her to if her ego gets inflated from that and she thinks she qualifies and deserves 0.98

01:18:23.280 more right and and and i would say society reinforces that we tell girls that they're special we tell

01:18:28.640 girls that they can do no wrong i mean whenever i say one of the most triggering things i say to modern

01:18:33.040 day women is you're not special and they all get offended by that but when i tell a man you're not 1.00

01:18:36.880 special they understand that right that we're all fairly similar in what we bring to the table and

01:18:41.520 our biological urges and what we want but like girls all feel like they're special like i have

01:18:46.160 10 girls at the table and i'll tell they'll all literally say i'm special what would differentiate

01:18:49.120 you from her well i do this and this and they'll describe a bunch of attributes that the other girl

01:18:53.040 described too so nowadays it's not necessarily that average girls aren't necessarily involved in like 0.99

01:19:01.040 high-level dating it's that they think that they can be involved in it which is which is the problem

01:19:05.200 i understand yeah it's interesting because it's like i feel like when i started watching you guys

01:19:09.040 to begin with you weren't i don't think the content has changed but i feel like the way you guys are

01:19:12.800 perceived is more controversial it's got more and more controversial each time like the first time i

01:19:17.360 came out here you were kind of having that scandal you know the whole thing we were on the shade room

01:19:22.400 that all thing was going on and i feel like it's been really interesting because it's almost like i think

01:19:26.320 the same thing with tate where it's like often i think of him and i think of you guys and i think

01:19:30.000 is there a way to do the same kind of content but wrap it in a way that it almost like can please

01:19:35.120 everybody like you can get the the women on side and get them to understand because it's almost like

01:19:39.920 even like with tate it's almost like the way it's so adversarial against against women or towards

01:19:46.160 men versus women like quite tribal yeah like i often wonder it's like is there a way to to wrap

01:19:52.800 that up in a way that women could be like oh actually i get that or is the only reason that tate and 0.97

01:19:56.880 you guys have gotten so big is because it is so divisive yeah that's what triggers be like when

01:20:02.320 tate says oh chicks can't drive so well yeah right it's like that's like skits in people's heads so 1.00

01:20:07.200 much that it triggers that debate even the people that disagree with them tweet about it yeah right

01:20:10.960 and it's just for me like i guess there's a more broader question about social media is it's like

01:20:15.280 you know even when like trump was big it was like the power of triggering people with things you say

01:20:20.880 to then spark conversation on both sides and it sort of makes you hated but then it makes you big

01:20:25.920 yeah like it's just something i wonder about a lot and i often wonder to myself like is there

01:20:29.120 a way of kind of like communicating these same points that you guys communicate but in a softer

01:20:33.440 way so that the women could take it on without being triggered and sort of see the good in it

01:20:38.240 because a lot of women listen to what you guys do i mean i know women that like no i get it like

01:20:41.600 they're on point or even like you know people that have been have been on the show and i've spoken

01:20:44.800 to them afterwards and it's just like like no i see where they're coming from like and now i've

01:20:48.800 understood like sometimes i feel like the best shows you have aren't the arguments it's where you get the

01:20:53.920 the girls on and you kind of end up having a dialogue and they kind of they get it a bit more

01:20:57.680 and then maybe they can communicate themselves a bit more sorry to get off topic no no no that's

01:21:02.160 a fantastic question so it's a two-part question here is there a way to wrap it up in a more pleasing

01:21:06.880 package that i guess they'll be able to digest the answer to that is no and and the reason why is

01:21:11.360 because um what i've come to realize from interviewing now i think we're at 1805 different girls is most

01:21:17.840 women cannot understand uncomfortable on uh biological truths a lot of the time because 1.00

01:21:22.880 it revolve it in it reveals unflattering realities about their mating practices right if i say something

01:21:29.040 along the lines of oh uh right and of course you know i'm not going to lie here sometimes i'll say

01:21:33.440 things in a certain way where it's it's polarizing right i one of my quotes is uh all women are gold 0.97

01:21:38.240 diggers some are just better hiding the shovel well let's unpack that statement real fast before you

01:21:42.240 know everyone calls me a misogynist when i when i say that what i mean by is all women are interested in 0.53

01:21:47.040 your ability to create as a man some are just better at concealing that interest some girls 1.00

01:21:51.360 might say i only date millionaires and be overt about it other girls might say i want a guy who's 1.00

01:21:55.360 ambitious and and has drive and they might be a little bit more covert about it but does not change

01:21:59.920 the fact that women are universally 99 of the time searching for a man that is going to be able to

01:22:06.720 provide some kind of security for them it's just that they have to dress it up in a certain way

01:22:10.400 so they don't look as bad and that is one of the biggest things about female communication is that 1.00

01:22:14.960 it's covert to not reveal certain things if you think about like the feminine mystique in general

01:22:19.120 everything about women is done covertly you don't know when their periods are going on you don't know 1.00

01:22:23.200 when they're in heat you don't know if they're really interested in you because girls don't 1.00

01:22:26.000 necessarily approach men they wear makeup they're supposed to be a lady they're not supposed to speak 1.00

01:22:29.760 a lot everything about femininity when you really boil it down is supposed to be concealed it's not

01:22:35.600 really until modern day times with you know these city girls and girls coming on this podcast 0.97

01:22:39.040 and stitching on themselves where guys are really starting to see and understand female nature 0.99

01:22:44.080 so feminism is the best and the worst thing because it's allowed women to be empowered and 1.00

01:22:49.040 liberated and speak and say and talk about the things they've been doing for decades

01:22:53.360 right that were typically held behind closed doors because they would be shamed and get the scarlet

01:22:56.720 letter but it's also bad because it's it's uh it's it's aware of men on their nature and if guys open

01:23:04.880 their eyes and watch the podcast or look at other content creators that make this type of stuff you'll

01:23:08.480 start to see the big disparity between how men communicate and how women communicate and for most

01:23:13.040 women the reason why this message can't necessarily be delivered a certain way is because to deliver 1.00

01:23:18.960 properly has to be delivered in a matter of fact fashion and women don't like matter of fact women 1.00

01:23:24.480 like what matter of what about this situation what about this they always make arguments for the

01:23:28.640 exception if i say something along the lines of women overwhelmingly want a man who makes more money

01:23:33.360 than them not not all the time like i dated a guy one time and i made as much money as him or i supported

01:23:37.760 him okay where's he at now oh yeah you're right but they'll make an argument like that right and bad

01:23:42.720 faith because me saying that women want a guy that makes more money than them makes them feel bad makes

01:23:48.240 them feel like a gold digger versus like what's real it's uh it's super fascinating man i think

01:23:54.800 especially with the rise of tate i think we're in a in an age because obviously i'm on social media i've

01:23:59.280 got my channel you know i focus on the stories that i'm interested in but i observe what's going on and

01:24:03.120 it's like i think tate really highlighted that like his popularity especially amongst men that i know

01:24:07.840 yeah he just says it he says it like it is right he doesn't sugarcoat it that's what you guys do

01:24:12.000 that's what trump did that's what yay well i don't agree with a lot of the things that yay was saying

01:24:16.400 recently but his thing was that he he felt these things he believed them he said them yeah and

01:24:20.320 didn't sugarcoat it got kicked off nearly everything yeah but he was just going going from the gut

01:24:25.440 shooting from the hip saying what he wanted and it does seem like i guess we're in this interesting

01:24:29.120 social media age where it's almost like the attention goes to the people daring enough to 0.97

01:24:34.080 just say how it is and say fuck anyone's feelings yeah and i just often wonder like you know is at 0.97

01:24:39.840 the end of the day is that the formula is that the trump formula he just said what he was he said what 0.98

01:24:44.560 he felt a lot of people were thinking and it worked and he went to the top you know and it's like

01:24:48.640 yeah again like not to get too derailed but it's almost like we're in this weird social media

01:24:52.560 or it's like just take just set it straight up and he just went straight to the top and like

01:24:58.800 you know maybe he maybe he said too many things and now they're off to him you know speaking the

01:25:03.120 truth in you know 2022 and 2023 that we're in now is is going to be damn near illegal you can't really

01:25:09.360 say things that are true if they offend people because we live in a very soft society where people

01:25:15.360 would rather be politically correct than be correct and that's the issue because you know they want to

01:25:20.160 they want to go with feels over reels and um that's why this message really can't really be

01:25:24.080 delivered and and and the thing is i don't expect women to a lot of a majority of women to take what 1.00

01:25:28.240 i say and actually listen and understand a lot of them just listen to get triggered and respond versus

01:25:32.880 listen understand and come back with so that's why people love fresh to fit so much because

01:25:37.120 it's one of the few platforms where you see modern day women talking to guys that understand the game 0.56

01:25:42.800 and you see their logic being challenged and day in and day out you see that single lady that that 1.00

01:25:48.000 independence uh narrative be shattered night after night after night uh from different women and

01:25:53.600 they come from different walks of life like we've we we have girls that came from 55 different i think

01:25:58.400 50 uh 50 44 states 55 different professions uh like 50 different countries etc so we bring a wide

01:26:07.040 range of girls on and it dude you know i always say the software the hardware might be different but the

01:26:12.400 software is still the same and and a lot of women believe in feminine uh feministic type uh ideals 1.00

01:26:17.840 that don't necessarily align with biological hardwiring they want to be strong independent

01:26:22.240 women but at the same time they think that they deserve a guy who's you know on top of his game etc 1.00

01:26:26.800 thinking that that guy wants the same thing back and the reality is men don't want masculine women

01:26:30.880 that are strong and independent and combative but women think they do well it's interesting because 0.97

01:26:35.040 i feel like there's a way of putting that to fit to women that works it's really interesting i you

01:26:39.280 probably saw the tate uh pearl podcast yeah i didn't see it but i mean i i i i know uh i'm sure

01:26:47.920 but go ahead well there was an older woman uh an older woman on the panel i think auntie was her name

01:26:53.280 well that's what she went by oh shit but she was kind of like agreeing with tate on a lot of points but 0.90

01:26:57.600 from this perspective of like i've been with my man i think she said something like 27 years 0.99

01:27:01.920 and on some just saying it straight up of like this is how i kept him yeah telling some of the girls

01:27:06.720 like oh you're seeing it wrong yeah that's how i see it and her and tate agreeing and it was almost

01:27:10.160 like damn it was like one of the times where again i didn't agree with everything she says i

01:27:13.840 agreed with someone which you know there were a lot of interesting perspectives on the panel but 0.98

01:27:16.880 it was just kind of like damn this is like that was for the first time i was seeing almost like

01:27:21.120 yours or like tate's content but wrapped up in a way that like you could see women actually like

01:27:26.000 understanding something from it and it's just super interesting man i mean i'm i know we're getting on

01:27:29.360 topic for for fed it but like no it's so interesting to hear like all these different voices that

01:27:33.920 are emerging and it's the things i feel like it's the things that go against the grain that

01:27:37.040 really stand out these days i get a lot of messages from married women that they watch the show with 0.96

01:27:40.400 their husbands and everything else like that and or girls that are in long-term relationships and yeah

01:27:44.800 it's funny like the girls that it grew me nine out of ten times have a boyfriend

01:27:48.160 or are married like they have some some significant like significant counterpart that takes them seriously

01:27:53.520 so it's the girls that hate me the most typically are like indoctrinated feminists that think that 1.00

01:27:58.000 men and women are equal but girls that like are actually in relationships with men that they love and

01:28:01.360 around respect they understand where i'm coming from i feel like that's the value of this show

01:28:04.720 like i mean i mean my girl sent more fresh and fit and it's like you know she likes some points i like

01:28:10.320 some points maybe there's a little argument yeah that's the that's the fun part of it and i feel

01:28:14.240 like in a way it's almost a shame that like you know there's a thing on social media to like shut

01:28:18.480 things down or just below you know we we don't like the vibes of this i mean i don't agree with you

01:28:22.240 on everything but at the same time it's all about having a dialogue like i'm open to listening to any

01:28:26.000 perspective yeah and like you say i mean i've had some some great conversations just off the points of

01:28:30.720 the show and watching the show and talking to people about things that have been said and it's

01:28:34.000 like i just think conversation is important man you shouldn't be able to you shouldn't be forced

01:28:37.840 to not say things we should all be able to just be open and have conversations about things yeah

01:28:41.520 deep platforming is never the way to go and you know obviously that's that's what they did with

01:28:45.120 andrew which is ridiculous you know and i foresee in the next five to ten years like yeah we're

01:28:49.040 probably all gonna have to be on rumble man it's it's gonna be a completely different landscape

01:28:53.040 you know hopefully there's still space for everyone on somewhere yeah you know no for sure should we hit uh

01:28:57.840 i know some chats came in before shout out to all you guys i know we've been chopping it up and stuff

01:29:01.520 like that i'll read some of these that just came through uh i know some of them probably have some

01:29:05.200 questions uh let's see here shout out to all you ninjas we got here um hey guys do me a favor while

01:29:11.440 chris pulls this up go ahead and subscribe to trap lore ross on uh on youtube and then you got

01:29:16.720 to trap more clips trap little clips trap more ross trap more ross okay three channels for some reason

01:29:22.080 yes uh what holster do you use for your glock and do you carry uh with one in the chamber

01:29:27.840 always carry one in the chamber we call that duty carry and i use a filster and i also got insane 0.88

01:29:32.480 kydex hey mine it's stupid that rappers are beefing and killing each other over petty things definitely 0.90

01:29:37.360 the most dangerous profession out there yeah it is especially nowadays uh and that's from ramon 0.97

01:29:41.520 vargas hey what's it like serving a search warrant were you like kicking the door in or in the stack

01:29:45.760 mostly uh mang ent uh yeah i've been at the top of the stack i've been the one with the with the with

01:29:50.320 the ram you know i've done all the different things but you know it's not as exciting as you

01:29:54.240 well i mean some people love it but for me i was like you know dude i'll put the swat team and let

01:29:57.920 them do it like i'm more concerned with like focusing on the case like i would be there waiting

01:30:01.760 for them to bring the guy out to me and then i'd take him to the to the building to go interview him

01:30:05.360 that's what i was concerned with because if you're there on the scene serving the search warrant

01:30:09.280 like you can't interview the suspects like you want uh and remember as the case agent you're

01:30:13.040 responsible for like you know getting the information try busy and ah and then uh thank you

01:30:17.200 the chat my g shout out to you man drunk russian goes hey myron i was wondering if you could

01:30:20.880 cover the idaho four murders on fed it i don't know if you heard of the case i have i will cover

01:30:24.880 it don't worry uh hey myron will you ever cover the idaho shoot him okay yep dan's produce

01:30:29.040 productions got you your mark can you break down a little how you were able to land an internship in

01:30:33.040 2010 also did you plan on doing the series on what you need a place to become an 1811 special

01:30:38.160 agent i can't do that uh don basically i got the internship guys i went through the co-op

01:30:43.520 program at northeastern university i got the internship with uh homeland screen investigations

01:30:47.920 that's how i got on the job uh if matrix uh does step three what we doing i'll wait till rumble okay

01:30:53.280 that's from jack force and then melly's boys tried robbing him and he got caught off guard 0.87

01:30:56.480 there were shots exit patterns from both ends of the car snake shit happens often sadly i mean we don't 0.88

01:31:01.520 know that but i mean from isa but regardless uh they're going to look at it as premeditated murder 0.89

01:31:06.960 because he took all those steps to conceal it lied to the police and um you know come up with some

01:31:11.520 kind of cover story shooting the vehicle etc so that's why they're hitting them with premeditated

01:31:15.040 murder which is murder one so oh good we caught up did it okay uh go ahead what's uh what about you

01:31:21.760 bro you've been asking me all these questions yeah man ask me whatever you want how'd you enjoy your

01:31:26.640 time in uh florida bro i love it out here man i'm trying to live out here this is amazing yeah i know

01:31:31.360 it's just the weather is beautiful the people are lovely kind people friendly i don't know what it is

01:31:37.200 because i feel like i always say to people like are americans especially in florida like they're so

01:31:40.080 friendly and they're like no another friend i think it's my name in miami people treat me good

01:31:43.440 with the accent right yeah because they're like okay we got a british guy here we got to treat

01:31:46.480 them well they rock on me man i don't know they think i'm some sophisticated on some like prince harry

01:31:50.080 yeah but like i don't know bro it's just so nice man i love it love the weather there's a lot going

01:31:54.800 on i'm recording with you i'm meeting new people like it's lit man so yeah loki i kind of want to be

01:31:59.680 out here what made you like uh what number what what's your favorite video that you researched oh man

01:32:05.760 that's a great question my favorite video i researched that bg duck one was done really well

01:32:12.400 by the way man that's got to be one of my favorites i think a lot of the chicago stuff yeah

01:32:16.160 your chicago research is phenomenal man yeah thank you man i think for me obviously as we were

01:32:20.160 saying earlier it's kind of like um the discipline that i've fallen into was just using all of these

01:32:25.840 different ways to kind of research these stories using clips from social media using the song lyrics

01:32:30.320 using the music videos it's so interesting like you say like you said with the meli case a lot of

01:32:35.360 circumstantial evidence coming together to to build a story essentially of what happened that day yeah

01:32:40.720 and i think for me i just try and look at everything like if i'm covering an artist at least at the

01:32:45.120 stage that i'm at now i listen to basically damn near every song every album every mixtape that they've

01:32:49.520 done and 691 was very good too thank you man yeah i use those two for for two of my broadcast those

01:32:53.760 were fantastic i appreciate that man thank you but yeah that's the thing it's like for me it's like

01:32:57.040 i'm deep in the game now i've watched a lot of stuff i've researched a lot of stuff if i listen

01:33:02.320 to it like the fbg duck story for example i listen to all of ducks music all of von's music read all

01:33:07.440 the news articles and at a certain point you begin to piece together a picture and then you start

01:33:10.400 listening back to the songs and you're like it's another clue yep another piece of info you you look

01:33:14.720 at all of the social media posts that that person did in their life and you're just like it all

01:33:18.480 connects and at some point you're like this shooting happened this day oh what did he post on

01:33:22.880 instagram the day after oh even just even just a little comment that even just sort of alludes

01:33:28.320 to some that happened once you build these things into a timeline you just begin to realize that like

01:33:32.640 yo this actually is like if you look at take her to the o he literally was just that was the music

01:33:39.200 video was like duck yeah and i in the music video i think there's a close-up shot of the phone ringing

01:33:43.520 and it says duck yeah right yeah and then it's like then you plot like at what point in his career

01:33:47.920 was he making these songs yeah and it's like it wasn't that long after that that they actually

01:33:52.800 caught that caught duck and did that yeah but another uh maybe my favorite intro maybe my

01:33:57.920 favorite video to research the jacksonville video that i did the who i smoke oh yeah that was good

01:34:02.400 too if you remember if you remember when that song who i smoke came out absolutely it was it was huge

01:34:07.200 because nobody could believe that those were real people it was like these guys on the golf course with

01:34:11.280 the classical music you know they're hitting the golf balls and then the beat switches yep and saying you

01:34:15.440 you know when i see you where am i like it's just like that was crazy in itself then when they start

01:34:21.040 talking about who i smoke bb all these names yeah little people and for me it was like the moment i

01:34:27.280 was like are those real people most people that i knew at that time when that song first came out

01:34:31.120 they're like i'm not real people i don't know if i can name whatever and i was just like i wasn't

01:34:35.120 even going to cover it but then i was like let me just let me just look up these names and then

01:34:39.280 before i know it i'm reading a bunch of articles and then i'm like let me go listen to all of

01:34:42.800 thulio's music i'm hearing a bunch of other names yeah and you know it gets to a point where there's

01:34:46.640 just like dozens and dozens of names and i think for me in that with that story it was just like

01:34:52.400 every time i heard a song it was like five new bodies honestly and you know i'm not trying to

01:34:56.720 glorify it or glamorize it but it was literally just a case of like let me listen to foolio's catalog

01:35:01.280 and damn near every song i was uncovering a new murder you know and to me that came out with when i

01:35:06.160 see you which was a response it's just funny how they took old songs right um like uh a young and

01:35:13.040 ace took uh um a thousand miles a thousand miles right yeah vanessa calls in a thousand miles and 1.00

01:35:19.280 they made it this song out of it the you know dissing dead ops and then foolio took fantasia when i see

01:35:26.560 you right and he and he did it in a graveyard bro and he had the pictures of the guys that died yeah on it

01:35:33.040 on it from the news like that was a i don't know what what coffee shop you got that yeah they they 0.90

01:35:39.280 might have to catch a stray for even printing because that was fucked up like yo like and and 0.99

01:35:43.280 here's the thing too with like and i guess we could this where we could like transition to like the

01:35:46.480 emergent like the the difference in hip-hop is like when i was listening to hip-hop and and you know

01:35:51.680 in the 90s and the 2000s like you know you had a this song you know right you look at like a jay-z

01:35:56.480 takeover roc we're running this rap shit right in the nas you know got something across the belly i'll 0.86

01:36:02.160 prove you lost already right it was very competitive it was i'm better than you i'm 1.00

01:36:07.120 you're trash eminem murdered you on your own shit blah blah blah right and jay's talking about how 1.00

01:36:11.840 naz is a bum all the shit so like it was very competitive back then now it's not about being 1.00

01:36:16.480 competitive it's about when i find you i'm just gonna kill you bro i don't really care about 1.00

01:36:19.760 competing about that i don't give a shit because lyrics don't necessarily have the same that they 0.99

01:36:24.560 used to have i remember like if someone was trash right you would roast them for having shitty lyrics 0.95

01:36:30.000 but i would i would say the era that changed everything was the early 2000s when crunk became

01:36:35.520 popular right that's a good era man but i i have no feelings about it oh come on because yeah see

01:36:43.760 this is my issue right and people might get mad at me for saying this but i'll say it anyway

01:36:48.320 the crunk era ushered in the watered down hip-hop that we have today and what i mean by this is

01:36:55.600 what crunk did was it made hip-hop where it's like oh this is music we can dance to this is music

01:37:02.960 we can actually play at the club and party to right so that kind of like was the stimuli from which we

01:37:09.760 have the mumble rap that we have now the uh you know the lean rap that we have now like it's more

01:37:15.520 about creating beats and having people party versus like lyrics meaning etc like nowadays if you're like

01:37:21.840 a lyrical rapper nobody gives a about you they're like who cares so um it kind of it kind of uh how

01:37:28.400 do i say this it i don't want to say it's stupefied hip-hop but it watered it down a bit to hit a

01:37:33.840 larger audience so that it can hit the clubs and hit the radios for more spins which is cool it is what

01:37:38.240 it is but um if you look at music from you know the 90s and the 2000s right when lyrics still mattered

01:37:45.360 to today there's a drastic difference like it's the the quality doesn't even come close and um

01:37:51.600 ever since early 2000 with that with crunk the south has taken it over they never gave it back

01:37:56.080 to these coast little john then you got ti blowing up early 2000s then you got all these artists coming

01:38:02.000 out of atlanta and then florida made a big stand in 2008 with like dj khalid plies etc and the big thing

01:38:08.960 between the south why i think the south took over over new york and i'd like to get your opinion on this

01:38:12.960 is that the south actually worked together i remember calo was uniting rappers all over the

01:38:18.240 place right he was uniting dudes like wayne baby uh akon they were all doing so the fat joe all 0.68

01:38:24.400 these rappers were working together meanwhile in new york you got 50 cent arguing with cameron

01:38:28.640 you got the diplomats breaking up you got um naz right um having issues with certain rappers saying

01:38:34.320 rap is uh uh rap is dead uh hip-hop is dead so in new york it's always been very very competitive

01:38:40.480 and artists don't really work together like that everyone hates each other but when you come down

01:38:43.920 to the south they're like oh we're going to take over we're going to work together and atlanta did

01:38:47.920 that and florida and and miami florida did that obviously now you got more beefs in atlanta because

01:38:52.720 now atlanta's taking over but when they were first coming up they all worked together you know welcome

01:38:58.080 to atlanta remix where they had ludicrous on there jermaine dupree all these guys right nelly everybody

01:39:03.120 the south worked together and that's why they were able to take over hip-hop bro this you know there's a lot

01:39:07.040 of good music coming out of all corners of america but yeah of course the south really dominated i mean

01:39:11.280 that period when atlanta became the the hollywood of rap i guess you could say like i mean it's

01:39:16.240 ridiculous the amount of artists that came out of there like 2004 all the way back to like outcast

01:39:21.200 but i guess the interesting thing is that it's almost like like you say with krunk i mean i love

01:39:25.600 i mean i love krunk but like back then but you're right i don't know whether i'd say stupefied it but

01:39:30.560 it made it simpler it made it made the music more of like an emotional response experience rather than you

01:39:36.800 you didn't have to think yeah it was just a feeling like you know some of those old david banner crunk

01:39:41.120 songs when it's just like he's just got a song or it's just like like in the classic or like the

01:39:46.560 one i can't remember the name of the song but he's in the club fighting it might just be called ko and

01:39:49.680 i can't say the lyrics because there's a few n words in there but like you're saying we go knock out

01:39:54.160 like just it's literally it's like it's just like this is a song i'm gonna go to remember i can

01:39:59.600 play it afterwards but um no give you buck yo they they play that bro yo you get the

01:40:06.000 hell out of the club as soon as they play that you know and then also dance

01:40:09.680 music right you had soldier boy with exactly yeah and then you know uh crank that right

01:40:14.480 crank that yeah crank that was another one yeah you know like all like the emergence of like dance

01:40:18.800 songs you know i ain't never scared yeah i never scared like yo that's like that this is what like

01:40:23.600 moved hip-hop more to like the front lines where they're playing it at the clubs like because there was a

01:40:27.600 lot of dance music but uh in a way though i feel like it opened up hip-hop in more of a way as like

01:40:32.320 it made it more commercial because let's be real a lot of whilst a lot of big artists came out of the

01:40:36.320 east coast i mean you know jay-z naz like some of the biggest artists that we've seen 50 cent uh maybe

01:40:41.600 50 cent kind of helped but it's almost like no one's throwing on an old jay-z no one's throwing on

01:40:46.240 ilmatic in the club it's just not happening no hell no but like hell no you could still throw on some

01:40:49.840 of these crunk songs that would go off in a club what's your favorite song automatic my favorite song

01:40:53.280 i feel man man represents a good one there's so many good ones new york state of mind new york

01:40:59.600 state of mind is my favorite well that was so good the beat's crazy dj premiere on the beat man oh

01:41:03.920 ill mags just ill max a perfect album yeah ill max a perfect album life's a life's a good one

01:41:10.160 uh life's a and then you die that's why you get high because you never know when you're gonna go

01:41:15.280 it's like poetry like those those each of those songs it's like i mean literally that song life's a 0.99

01:41:19.200 bitch like bro that's like we've all felt that you know yeah and that life is fucking like that 0.99

01:41:23.040 sometimes and it's like that is music that makes you think you could never play it in a club but in a 0.99

01:41:27.360 way these songs you know like a pimp just fucking just throw it on in the club it's just yeah i want 0.99

01:41:33.200 to see girls i want to see ass shaking yeah i don't give a shit about the the complexities of living in 0.99

01:41:38.560 the projects in new york in a way i feel like that music has so much value and i feel like that 0.97

01:41:43.360 you know atlanta it's a lot of it's like mood music i mean you even think about people like outcast

01:41:47.520 or even like you know when when like he had andre 3000 doing songs like hey yeah it's a dumb song

01:41:52.480 but then it touched so many people because it was just a feeling like that feeling yeah positive vibe

01:41:56.960 music and you know i thought like that was always what atlanta was good at and in a way i think it's

01:42:01.360 almost like you had so many artists come out of atlanta like people like the migos where it's sort of

01:42:06.000 the music is kind of dumb and it's just but it's like a vibe it's just like trapping yeah riding in

01:42:10.240 your car trapping trapping it's just all about the sound in a way it's almost like it doesn't really 0.92

01:42:14.960 matter what they're saying it's the ad-libs who yeah like yeah like yeah like the original ad

01:42:21.760 level was uh young jeezy you sell you everything you know what i mean yeah let's go like it was a

01:42:28.800 original ad-lib or him and jim jones bro ad-lib everything you know um classic i i but uh and

01:42:34.560 then obviously i i think uh reasonable doubt was probably reasonable down the blueprint of jay-z's two

01:42:39.120 best albums in my opinion yeah my favorite on blueprint is renegade eminem and then uh on reasonable doubt i

01:42:44.560 think i like uh feeling it and then dead presidents dead presidents which is a good one naz on that

01:42:49.760 right which i think that was a part of the reason too um a reason oh you know what i'm gonna go out

01:42:54.000 a reasonable doubt a couple good songs not like illmatic shits all over reasonable doubt yeah it

01:42:59.200 does like reasonable doubt it's like ten songs too well actually nine yeah you don't even count

01:43:03.760 that back then guys right back in our day uh the first song almost always was a skit it wasn't a song

01:43:09.440 um and then dr dre's um the chronic was actually a fantastic album too yeah 2001's a great album as

01:43:15.360 well dr dre you know for the ferment you remember all those years when it's like dr dre's gonna drop

01:43:19.600 detox no album coming and never came but i gotta say dr dre he'll never be able to replicate that

01:43:24.480 sound dude no no way but i feel like in the 90s he's done so well he he's left a lot of gaps between

01:43:29.760 his albums and he dropped when he does drop an album it perfectly encapsulates that era like the chronic

01:43:34.480 so different from 2001 because that was like the era when he discovered eminem he's got a few eminem

01:43:38.480 verses on the album he's got exhibit he's got all these different west coast people they just capture

01:43:42.720 these perfect little moments and it's kind of past its time but even that album he did for the straight

01:43:47.440 out of compton soundtrack it was almost like captured this more new school flavor of la and it was just

01:43:52.400 like man uh dre's just a genius bro like the amount of careers that he's touched and the amount of

01:43:56.560 like the role he's played in hip-hop man yeah i i never looked at him as like a like a top-tier rapper or

01:44:02.480 artist i always looked at him as like a behind the scenes producer that just creates hits we had

01:44:07.680 a lot of writers working for him too right yeah so it was almost like in a way people never really

01:44:11.040 gave dre the respect that has a rapper yeah because it was sort of that whole thing of like

01:44:14.560 does he write his own stuff he's like he's like like i would put him like i mean obviously he's

01:44:19.280 does laps around him but i would put him in like the same category as like a jermaine dupri uh

01:44:24.000 timberland like these guys that like you know are responsible for a lot of the artists that you've

01:44:28.320 come to like learn and love i'm not saying they're on the same level with dre obviously

01:44:30.880 it eclipses all of them but those are guys that rapped but they weren't necessarily but they

01:44:35.600 were behind the scenes like making shit happen right like jermaine dupri you wouldn't have a 0.90

01:44:39.200 bow out without him man like people could talk as much shit as they want about bow wow and and uh 0.96

01:44:43.040 jermaine dupri but like he you wouldn't have all those hit songs from the early 2000s without him 0.88

01:44:48.000 so um but yeah i mean and i mean i don't even know if timberland still does stuff but yeah just

01:44:53.520 uh timberland was like critical for like merging like pop and hip-hop you know i still to this day i

01:44:59.760 think ao technology was like a very first of its kind yeah yeah timbal and you got uh a gangster

01:45:06.080 rapper doing a song with a top pop artist on a song and it actually sounds really good and he was a

01:45:12.320 50 cent was one of the first to really like do that i thought it was like a really good song and and

01:45:17.600 people don't give 50 cent enough credit talking about him but but if you go back to that era when

01:45:21.600 50 cent was popping like in the club and going back to what you were saying earlier about music that

01:45:26.160 is just about the feeling and it's dumb in a way it's like in the club was like the perfect 0.88

01:45:31.200 the perfect balance between it's just a dumb in the club but then also it's like but then it's 50

01:45:39.120 the the dre b is just hitting so hard of course he's a gangster in the music video it's like they're

01:45:43.840 bringing him back to life from being shot it's like you couldn't escape that song in 2001 two or three

01:45:48.720 you could not escape it you could not escape that song dude it was everywhere i remember but it's

01:45:55.520 like when you think about successful rap songs i feel like the you know the greatest songs that are

01:46:00.080 successful commercially i feel like they're the songs that are so broad and maybe dumb but simple

01:46:06.480 to the point of just like 50 cent in the club we've all been in the club yeah and that song is

01:46:12.000 literally you put that song on and it's like yes i feel like in your brain you're like i'm in the club

01:46:15.600 yeah yeah it's like the value of creating a song that simple i mean it's even like

01:46:20.240 you know you've got songs like i mean like was it usher uh yeah yeah yeah yeah the song is called

01:46:27.200 yeah lord john we've all been in that feeling when you like you know you hit the club the beat starts

01:46:31.760 and you're like yeah like this is my moment to say yeah and get into some yeah and i think those

01:46:36.320 simple songs that really just capture human emotion at their rawest level they're dumb songs but they end

01:46:41.280 up being the most successful songs because they just speak to people on a level beyond language

01:46:45.760 sure we can throw on a jay-z you know 150 bar hard deep introspective rap but that's not going to

01:46:53.280 move you as much as in the club literally changes your emotional state as soon as you hear it of

01:46:57.760 course and i think i got to give a little wayne credit too i didn't mention him he was one of the

01:47:01.680 few rappers that kind of like made that people take the south seriously because um oh down south

01:47:07.280 rappers are stupid blah blah wayne was like no we could rap too and he and he definitely i mean if you 0.95

01:47:13.280 you look at like um all the drought mixtapes um you look at his i i can't believe he never released 0.99

01:47:18.480 that album i can't feel my face with joel santana they never released it i wanted to hear that album

01:47:22.000 so bad they had a couple songs off at least right and it was hard yeah um uh my favorite song off of

01:47:28.240 that one is um step into the uh damn it i can't uh it's called the dark side i think i can't remember 0.72

01:47:36.480 that um i'm trying to remember the name of the songs off it um uh he goes damn it someone is 0.96

01:47:42.880 stepping to the bad side i think is what it is someone in the chat is gonna know it um with that

01:47:48.560 mixtape i can't feel my face but he was but it was with wayne um that was that was great they never

01:47:53.920 released that though they had a bunch of bangers on there i think wayne is probably my he's definitely

01:47:57.440 mine he i feel like he's the greatest rapper of all time and i think the way he was amazing is that

01:48:02.000 he could do both he could make songs that were just like a party hit but then when you drilled into the

01:48:06.640 lyrics like for example lollipop okay yeah it's a sexually charged song she's so like he's so sweet

01:48:11.920 she wants to lick the rapper yeah and it's like it's it's like it's a club song you don't if you don't 0.54

01:48:16.400 listen to the lyrics it's still a sexy strip club kind of song but then you actually listen to what he's 0.97

01:48:20.000 saying she wants to lick the rapper double entendre with the it's like a candy she wants to lick him

01:48:25.760 and then it's like battles in the and his singing allotune rapping is on point yeah bro he's the guy

01:48:30.800 that can do it all i think wayne is the goat and he's got so many songs in his catalog i mean even a

01:48:35.520 millie right the song a millie it doesn't even have a chorus it's just a millie yeah yeah and it's

01:48:40.000 just a song he's just sort of freestyling all these different things but the song is like about

01:48:43.600 success it's about making a millie being a millionaire and it's just like bro this guy he doesn't even

01:48:48.640 write down off the top of his head he just created this these songs that like could communicate a

01:48:52.720 feeling but then also the lyrics were deep and always on point bro i think wayne's the goat

01:48:57.040 yeah okay you can make an argument for him being greatest of all time i i uh my favorite song man

01:49:03.280 there's so many i like all his mixtape stuff i mean he did the upgrade you freestyle off off the

01:49:07.680 destiny's child um he used the sky's the limit uh went on there uh you know um probably in the

01:49:15.200 probably in the in the ocean swimming with the with the pigeons or probably in the ocean 1.00

01:49:20.000 fuck uh it's you see my world is different like dwayne wade and if you want trouble bitch i want the 1.00

01:49:25.920 same thing okay and then i'm trying to remember the lyrics and then other thing too that i really 0.99

01:49:30.480 liked was the only thing on the mind of a shark is eat by any means and you just sardines i got that

01:49:36.240 40 cal yeah you said that's all right even the even the dumbest part is like real g's move in silence 0.99

01:49:40.880 like lasagna yeah like just crazy shit like that he's just in there smoking a blunt coming up with 0.99

01:49:44.800 this in the booth bro the guy's brain is just incredible yeah it's always hard 100 and and and 0.96

01:49:49.440 i know a lot of y'all oh drake on up here's my thing uh i i don't think i've ever shared this on

01:49:54.960 air i'll share yeah the reason why i i will acknowledge that drake is a musical genius he's

01:50:00.560 going to go down in in history as one of the best rappers to ever fucking do it i'm not going to take 0.91

01:50:04.720 anything away from his accolades but the thing i dislike about drake is that drake has ushered in 0.90

01:50:10.560 this pussy era of men that we have today he is the soundtrack to these soy boys that we currently 1.00

01:50:16.240 have in modern day society he made it okay to cry over girls to be a simp oh why don't you return my 0.80

01:50:22.480 text all this other stuff so it's not necessarily that i don't think drake is a fantastic artist i

01:50:27.920 think i still think to this day thank me later is one of the best albums i've ever heard his first

01:50:31.760 album however i don't like the cultural implications of his music so that's why i don't necessarily listen

01:50:38.080 to it and i'm not that much of a fan because i think it's soft but i think also a lot of his

01:50:42.320 music is for girls it's actually for women because it's not i think it's not about teaching men to cry

01:50:48.240 over girls it's about a song for women to imagine a guy crying over them you know what i mean yes drake

01:50:54.640 is a big reason why girls run around and say be vulnerable to me because it sounds good and you would 1.00

01:51:00.400 accept that vulnerability from drake but you would not accept it from your boyfriend who works at 0.75

01:51:04.320 mcdonald's but they think they will and and what drake is basically and it made he's fooled both

01:51:10.560 men and women i get it right because i i he for him it's like oh i'm gonna make the money and i gotta

01:51:15.120 go ahead with the emotions to do it which is cool and he's appealing to both men and women he tells 0.97

01:51:19.280 guys it's okay to be a soft bitch and then he tells the girls it's okay uh you know for you to for 1.00

01:51:23.920 me to simp on you right and girls think that they deserve this entitlement of men simping on them but 1.00

01:51:28.800 i just don't like how drake ushered in this whole era of dudes being pussies right and being soft 0.99

01:51:35.600 meanwhile you know you got back in early 2000s uh i'm making a rail like a bet there are degraded 0.98

01:51:41.440 chicks all over the place and shit like that in the early 2000s but yeah i mean it is what it is so 0.77

01:51:45.600 do you just never allow yourself to be vulnerable like that i just don't like music that's like soft 0.98

01:51:50.320 man this is why to this day like modern day hip-hop omar what do you listen to now i listen to new

01:51:54.240 york drill a lot if i'm gonna listen to hip-hop honestly that's that gym music yeah you know i'm

01:51:58.160 listening to two g's i'm listening to coach the ghost oh we didn't get to talk about that yet yeah

01:52:01.760 yeah is there an update on his case i've not been following it but he's uh he's in a jam i mean we

01:52:07.200 honestly i got the indictment we could pull it up if you want but like uh but he basically is facing

01:52:11.200 a federal firearms case damn him and uh who's the second i forgot the name the light-skinned guy i

01:52:17.280 forgot these you know i've been out of the new york scene for a bit so i'm a bit rusty on the new 0.62

01:52:20.960 york stuff right now yeah but i mean two two got arrested too for attempted murder and he got out

01:52:25.280 recently so um but yeah i like he's one of the hardest man two two g's i think he's even though

01:52:30.640 he's big i think he's underrated because his music is so good he's so consistently hits with his music

01:52:36.640 like bro some of those songs and the beats that he chooses next level yeah um yeah all gd rappers are

01:52:44.000 like blackball bro it's it's fucking it is what it is like you know coach the ghost two two g's etc like 0.99

01:52:49.360 um they're blackball and the crazy part is is like i'll listen to a two two g song and then i'll put 0.97

01:52:55.200 on some pop smoke right after and i'll just go back and forth i'll put on some coach and then i'll put

01:52:58.560 on some fabio like i like both camps like i think they're both uh great but you know it's just sad

01:53:04.560 because you know they're literally like you know they see each other it's like on site it's so many

01:53:09.040 politics man it's a shame because the the music coming out of both sides is so good yeah it's just like

01:53:14.000 bro there's just so much to be gained but at the same time if you like pop smoke there's no way

01:53:19.920 you're not gonna like two two g's yeah if if you like uh k flock there's no way you're not gonna like 1.00

01:53:24.800 coach the ghost like it's it's very similar right i know bronx show is a little bit different they use

01:53:28.880 more um they don't use the uk drill beats as much they use more like uh samples of old songs etc but

01:53:34.720 it's all very similar and it's with k flock by the way too um i think he might he has a good chance of

01:53:41.360 getting out he's a rapper that i don't think is that bad it's looking better for him yeah it's

01:53:45.200 definitely looking better for him yeah you know what it's just like the dude had a gun the dude

01:53:49.920 had a gun uh that that he shot and killed and um and and and i and i i broke this down on my thing if

01:53:56.080 you guys want to go check it but like in the surveillance footage you can see the guy like

01:53:59.280 reaching kind of interesting like this walking up to k flock and you know a reasonable person would

01:54:04.560 suspect like yo this guy's trying to kill me bam i just shot him the uh but i think the thing that 0.75

01:54:09.120 they might get k flock on is the the firearm possession because new york has really good

01:54:12.400 strict gun laws and i'm not sure if he's a felon man i can't remember i can't remember but obviously

01:54:17.360 you know he was into a lot of problems he was on social media running around saying he was chasing

01:54:21.760 for opps so they might try to make an example out of him you know yeah and it's like bro he was so

01:54:26.720 talented i mean he's so talented it's one of those things where it's like if he gets out he'll be like

01:54:31.440 the new king von he'll be releasing album after album it'll be crazy yeah or you know they'll hit him with

01:54:37.120 whatever they can he'll be stuck in there'll be another push ic we won't hear from him and it'll

01:54:40.880 just be you know the next person will come through i mean i can't believe that push ic case i broke

01:54:44.720 that one down too yeah bro like he literally all right this is how bad this the push ic case was

01:54:53.760 he literally wanted sneakers and weed he hits this guy up right i want sneakers i'll get you another one

01:54:59.280 i want sneakers and weed right he meets the guy he has exotic rental cars dude gets in the car he pulls out 0.99

01:55:05.760 a lot of draco points at him hey leave the sneakers in the weed there right and the fuck guy's like 0.98

01:55:09.920 wait what so and mind you he had like 40 50k in cash with him at the time oh just buy it just buy 0.98

01:55:16.000 the sneakers bro and and and uh it was like some jordans right and the dude that he robbed rented

01:55:22.160 the cars so i didn't know that detail yeah jesus so so uh so and and also they committed the the robbery

01:55:30.400 like the playstation was down the street it was like across the street and it was all on cctv so 1.00

01:55:34.960 so they fucking he's like no blah blah shootout ensues he shoots at the guy hits him in the ass and 0.99

01:55:39.200 hits another guy and they flee off when he runs off they drop the backpack that has like 40k cash in it 0.99

01:55:45.120 they were able to trace the serial bills of the hundred dollar bills to you know how he likes to

01:55:50.080 fan out the cash money challenge he was doing the money thing he likes to fan out those bills well that

01:55:53.760 didn't work out too well because he had an instagram post with that with that money with that same bag

01:55:58.000 like like fanning it out like this they were able to see the serial numbers on there trace it back to

01:56:02.880 the scene the surveillance footage the witnesses etc bro he could have just paid for it and not got in

01:56:09.200 trouble and then boom since he wanted to go ahead and rob a guy right at gunpoint and it was in the

01:56:14.080 middle of a drug trafficking uh i guess a drug trafficking offense they were able to hit him

01:56:18.560 federally with uh drug trafficking while possession of a firearm and they hit him with um the hobzak

01:56:23.520 burglary or robbery because he robbed them violently bro he was genuinely too shy steve for

01:56:28.400 his own good right literally one of the biggest l's i've ever heard back in blood was the biggest

01:56:33.840 song in the country for a minute it was everywhere yeah it was everywhere and like bro he was he was

01:56:39.680 he was in line to be one of the big dude one of the proper big dudes and it was just over like that

01:56:44.240 and i guess that's one of these that's a case of he was really from the streets he got famous too

01:56:48.800 quickly and just didn't have time to adjust there was really no way of him not shooting people basically

01:56:53.360 he was shooting he was just shooting it perplexes me because he had the money to buy it and and the

01:56:57.200 other thing too that made the case federal that a lot of people don't know because the fbi actually

01:56:59.920 went and got him i read the criminal complaint the thing that made a federal was the guy that he

01:57:04.160 rented the car from and uh bought was trying to buy the sneakers from was had an online business so

01:57:09.520 like since he had like tried to do the transaction through the internet that affected interstate

01:57:13.920 commerce no way that kind of allowed the feds to kind of come in as well and then also the fact that he

01:57:18.000 was committing a a drug uh he's a drug trafficking offense while in possession of firearm that's

01:57:22.400 automatic like federal felony bro i mean it is it really is like one of hip-hop's great l's yeah 0.66

01:57:29.280 he he fucked that up because it and it's also it's like he was young as hell what was he like 20 0.96

01:57:33.600 that's like 21 22 bro and it's like the all the world's eyes are on you you've built up this reputation 0.93

01:57:38.560 of a shysty dude you're a real dude from the streets you're a real shooter yeah but bro is like threw it

01:57:44.160 all away bro he had the opportunity of a lifetime man it's actually tragic i 0.81

01:57:47.360 it's dumb everybody in 10 17 is big scar passed away right overdose bro he was fired man i was 0.78

01:57:54.160 a big fan of him right fan of him and then uh oh shout out to chris appreciate um chris can i get 0.94

01:57:58.720 a monster too uh and then um right so you had big scar right with with uh he just passed away uh you

01:58:05.600 had the other guy forget his name but he's in jail fujiano fujiano yeah he cut the bracelet off and

01:58:10.160 he's in jail push icy jail uh who else in 10 17 hasn't he got another one hasn't he just had an

01:58:16.080 artist get get a case or something recently like very recently like past couple days i don't know

01:58:21.520 someone in the chat's gonna put it yeah let us know someone someone in the chat's gonna put it

01:58:25.120 but yeah man it's it's crazy bro uh what's going on with with uh with all that stuff and then the

01:58:31.120 young dolphin situation too which i'm gonna cover that as well bro i was a huge i mean a huge fan of

01:58:36.080 young dolphin man i mean i covered his before he passed away i covered his his beef with uh with

01:58:40.960 yo gotti pretty extensively you know years of back and forth in between those two i mean i you know

01:58:46.400 obviously there's still a lot going on that case hasn't actually like gone through with oh it's still

01:58:49.920 going to doff yeah it's still going on christina went to memphis no way and uncovered some stuff i'll

01:58:54.000 tell you some stuff off camera oh hell yeah it's still very active dude bro it's just tragic bro

01:58:58.320 obviously i mean for me right like you know i i'm i'm on the internet i see the footage the

01:59:03.600 footage of him like you know laid out in the store people filming it's just tragic bro because he

01:59:07.280 really was like a once in a generation artist bro his catalog is amazing he was a great rapper his

01:59:12.400 music so motivational just fire he just didn't deserve that and he never struck me as one of the

01:59:17.520 sorts of dude that i mean i guess you know like you know he's got his tour bus shot up and stuff and

01:59:21.840 yeah they were gunning for him yeah but at the same time like i just didn't feel like i don't know

01:59:26.800 bro it just caught me off guard i may maybe that's being naive but like

01:59:29.600 just so many good artists bro i mean i was the biggest pop smoke fan as well like you know pop

01:59:34.720 smoke dying suddenly like i remember i was in the car my friend told me oh pop smoke killed in a home 0.92

01:59:38.160 invasion i was just like what i was just like what the fuck like bro like i'm just listening to him 0.99

01:59:42.240 yep and like pop smoke is why i don't do airbnbs anymore hell no bro fuck airbnbs yeah if you're 1.00

01:59:48.080 if you're like a somebody bro you can't do airbnbs man fuck that shit hotels dude only well that's the 1.00

01:59:52.400 thing because they you know obviously apparently a picture a picture was taken in front of the airbnb but 1.00

01:59:56.480 you know i've seen other stuff that suggests that it they were just they were hitting up airbnbs and

02:00:00.880 it happened to be that airbnb yeah so and he also uh he got some i think he got um some designer

02:00:06.240 delivered to him and the address was in the uh in the picture and they were able to to see that and

02:00:11.840 yo la is crazy bro like i i'll i'll be honest i don't like los angeles like that man like anytime we

02:00:16.880 go out there we go in and get the hell out man it's extremely dangerous pmb rock situation it's run by 0.81

02:00:22.640 gang culture yeah right like if you don't know the right people is is yeah man i'm good i prefer

02:00:27.680 miami bro yeah but then again you know i don't know if you i think i sent it to you on reddit there's

02:00:32.160 a new subreddit myrack which is basically the shyrackology of miami oh okay oh yeah yeah street

02:00:38.800 scene going on here i hope it doesn't turn out like la there is actually there is yeah especially

02:00:43.120 with broward county broward county is not sweet man for real yeah it's this is a lot of the girls that

02:00:47.440 come on the show that'd be after ratchet they'd be from broward county bro they're not from really 0.75

02:00:51.040 yeah chris you know what i'm talking about facts yeah pompano beach and shit like nah man i'm good 0.80

02:00:55.680 oh that's where codex from right yeah yeah which is crazy because they have one of the biggest 0.59

02:01:00.480 resilient populations very diverse town or city interesting yeah yeah man i think that i'm not

02:01:06.640 trying to get into any of those sort of problems out here yeah they also have an immigration uh

02:01:10.160 facility over there too i used to go there all the time when i was aging because like anytime

02:01:13.440 someone would be held for immigration purposes i wanted to like try to get an informant and i'd go

02:01:16.880 over there interesting yeah okay so you go over there you sort of scoop up a little informant yeah

02:01:22.400 so you can man hey bro you don't want to get deported i know you're involved with this crook

02:01:25.840 hey what time is that that's the way that's the way man hey that's it's actually a really strong

02:01:29.920 incentive to get people to cooperate with you is oh you're gonna get deported back to your country

02:01:33.040 you haven't been there since you were two years old bro what do you want to do i hear people saying

02:01:36.160 some of some about that's how they 21 savage stuck around in the country but i think i might be kept

02:01:40.000 i think i might be kept yeah i don't i don't i don't know i mean um with him he might have a

02:01:45.200 case because he was he was here since he was a child but um but immigration proceedings take forever

02:01:51.280 dude like it's because it's not criminal it's administrative and a lot of the times you know

02:01:54.880 you get bond right because they don't want to hold you in immigration jail it's very expensive

02:01:59.040 right so you know those things take years sometimes which you're looking at like oh who gives a 0.94

02:02:03.280 fuck i'm good i'm just chill well like i feel like i mean america is the land of uh money kind 0.80

02:02:10.080 of fixing all the problems like when when that whole thing happened with 21 savages immigration 1.00

02:02:13.520 i just thought like man he's surely just got to get top immigration lawyer yeah secure the bag

02:02:17.760 they're just there sort out the paperwork but i don't know maybe it's i feel like becoming an american

02:02:21.920 citizen or getting american paperwork is pretty tough yeah he has some arrests so i don't know if he'll be

02:02:27.200 able to get natural i mean it it's strange i mean that immigration is the biggest reason why i said 0.54

02:02:33.680 the tory lane's case is a big deal it's not because he's going to do a lot of time it's because they're

02:02:37.600 going to they're he's going to get absolutely get the port after this yeah we're gonna ship him back

02:02:41.120 like shine 100 yeah yeah oh yes i did get the point yeah yeah man yeah he he landed on his feet though

02:02:46.800 he's like dad's like the prime minister or some yeah yeah he's he's chilling in belize and i think diddy

02:02:51.280 to this day still takes care of him financially i hope so yeah i i i somewhat i i don't know where

02:02:56.880 i heard it but like diddy does right by him because to be honest it should be diddy that went

02:03:02.000 to jail bro we all know that uh you know so they had like j-lo in the car yeah that's a crazy story

02:03:07.200 yeah bro like shine definitely took that gun charge for diddy bro one thousand percent everybody knows 0.96

02:03:12.000 that diddy was involved in that shit as well that's a real one right there yeah yeah shine on the team 0.88

02:03:16.480 10 15 years some wild like that but shine the interesting thing is like before that kicked off shine 0.99

02:03:20.720 was the next biggie like you know he had the yes he was he had the voice voice like people and he was

02:03:25.440 diddy's eyes they were saying he was the next diddy and then literally in a heartbeat bro on

02:03:28.640 switched jail yep he definitely that was that was a whole other thing and then um what about ysl

02:03:36.400 man what's your thoughts on that bro he's cooked yeah he's looking cooked yeah it's not good

02:03:41.040 here's the thing 300 witnesses bro is that how many there are that's what they said bro that's

02:03:44.800 like probably exaggerated but it might be 100 though bro that's like a sports game 300 witnesses

02:03:48.560 that's a whole crowd that's not witnesses that's literally a crowd bro yo yo man bro here's the

02:03:55.360 thing i was talking talking to somebody about this before i came here today yeah the craziest thing

02:04:00.320 about the thug case right because i covered this before he got locked up back in 2015 when the

02:04:05.280 alleged you know the murder from the indictment happened yeah he thug wasn't really rapping as much 0.92

02:04:11.280 about street shit like i went back and listened to a lot of his old music he's talking about i'm a stoner 0.96

02:04:15.200 like it's not so much about street stuff not so much about sliding and it seemed like he 0.99

02:04:21.040 allegedly got away with his involvement in this murder or whatever yeah and then just got brazen

02:04:26.960 and as the years went by we're talking 2016 17 he's getting bigger in the industry it's only as

02:04:31.680 he got more successful that it seemed like he started rapping about you know we shot at this guy's

02:04:35.440 mom yep he's got artists that are rapping about oh we killed your og like all this stuff and it's like

02:04:40.480 as he's getting more and more successful more and more brazen you know i'm sure that he got to the

02:04:44.560 point you know 2021 he's just just like that he probably forgot he even was involved in that 0.97

02:04:48.880 shit yeah if you know the alleged dude i looked at the indictment they were looking at it since 0.92

02:04:53.120 2013 dude well that incredible well that's the thing you know in my video that i covered on it it's 0.95

02:04:58.080 like before they were ysl they were the rock the rock crew uh the the what they called like rocking

02:05:04.480 on cleveland or something yeah yeah that's where it's from the cleveland cleveland avenue and it's like

02:05:08.480 you know there was a big i think in 2011 there was a big indictment on the cleveland avenue

02:05:11.920 gang right and it was like just bro like how do you obviously it's it's hard for me to comprehend

02:05:17.760 because i haven't been in those street situations i'll throw my hands up and say you know it's hard

02:05:21.200 for me to comprehend what it's like when you're actually born into an area to a situation where

02:05:24.480 you're being enticed into gangs yeah but i just feel like at least for thug it was and i even expressed

02:05:28.480 this in my video it hit a certain point where it's just like you got to leave that behind and focus

02:05:32.160 on the music he was in the industry big artist you know like i say there's there's that footage of him

02:05:37.680 with nut the guy that got killed and third man on a yacht like yo this is not he's one of the biggest

02:05:42.720 bloods in america yeah and you think bro you're already on the yacht like how are you getting all

02:05:46.640 twisted into the dirt and people are dying and then you're you know it's coming back to get you like

02:05:50.640 seven years after the fact it's just like bro like how that murder is what sparked everything the

02:05:55.600 the murder of uh peanut in 2015 is what sparked the fight with yfn and everything else like that and

02:06:02.000 then also uh i know people know this like they got thug as is the dude that ordered little bay

02:06:08.000 little wayne's tour bus to get shot at man that's another crazy story you know but then that's that's 0.76

02:06:12.320 like starts implicating you know you've got kind of bird man in the mix and shit and it's just kind 0.89

02:06:15.760 of like bro this this stuff gets twisted but i think they want thug hard they want to make an 0.56

02:06:19.840 example and you can tell thug spent years flexing on the atlanta police they hated him bro he was

02:06:26.080 flexing private jets driving crazy nice cars like just being a menace to the community

02:06:31.760 they want to put him away for sure it's personal yeah for sure yeah that da and the other thing

02:06:35.760 too is that um the district attorney that that got sworn in like she was real big on like i'm going 1.00

02:06:39.840 to clean up the streets and um you know this is how they want to do it they want to go after all

02:06:43.920 these atlanta gangs to be honest with you they've been saying for a while oh little baby's next

02:06:47.760 pf's next and it's just like man and you think about the level that he's got i would say

02:06:52.560 little baby has he surpassed thug i don't know if maybe you could say that uh yeah yeah and

02:06:59.600 popularity you mean yeah i would a little baby to me now nowadays is like the modern day wayne

02:07:05.200 like as far as like being everywhere and like getting on any song and like he did like the

02:07:09.200 world cup anthem and yeah like it's just still being like yeah still i mean i don't know if he

02:07:13.920 has the same takeover effect as wayne did back in like 2008 2010 ish but he's definitely doing what

02:07:20.160 wayne did back then where he's like jumping on everybody's song yeah giving a verse he's still

02:07:24.720 lyrically sound etc so wayne um little baby right now reminds me of wayne and like oh wait but i

02:07:30.080 think wayne did it better well i think the thing about baby is it's like he he he's street but he

02:07:34.720 still has a lot of commercial appeal whereas i feel like thug he had a few big so i mean his biggest

02:07:39.520 song was the feature he did on that camilla cabello song havana right which is like very out of

02:07:43.200 character for thug he didn't want to do the song but i feel like baby's just got more of that street

02:07:47.280 but works for commercial appeal whereas thug you know he was just like the sort of street

02:07:52.000 weirdo that had some commercial hits but street stuff has made a comeback yeah and in my like like

02:07:56.880 uh it used to be i remember like you know oh four to like 2008 2010 like that street wasn't like yeah

02:08:06.480 it was like more club music etc like i mean hell even in the into the 2010s if you think about it

02:08:11.520 like street rap wasn't like a thing like that you had the kendrick lamar's like you know in that era

02:08:16.320 the big sean's whatever like these guys are the ones that like took over in the early 2010s

02:08:20.560 i wouldn't consider them street artists i feel like there was a big shift when it was sort of

02:08:24.720 like you had kanye coming through and then he kind of like he dukes it out with 50 cent and 50 cent was

02:08:30.000 almost like the 50 cent wave was sort of that that sort of last echo of the street yes rap i got shot

02:08:36.640 nine times he made it through yeah he kind of made it a bit more commercial and then it was sort of like

02:08:40.560 kanye took over they had their battle and then like you say you know bringing through people like big

02:08:44.480 sean and stuff and yeah but it's like man i put this is my theory and i know a lot of people disagree

02:08:49.760 with me this is quite controversial theory but i think ironically it was six nine that brought

02:08:54.560 real gangster rap back because before he was a snitch basically him being the rainbow head guy but

02:09:00.480 he was a real blood and they were really shooting at people and they were going to pop chief keith

02:09:03.760 like obviously chicago drill was a huge wave but it didn't it didn't go completely mainstream like

02:09:09.280 you couldn't say chief keith was a mainstream artist yeah really but like you know now that dirk is

02:09:15.040 2012 he broke into the mainstream and like he exposed the world to chicago drill but it kind of

02:09:20.560 like dimmed at that point but but the funny thing is it took kanye putting him on the i don't like

02:09:25.920 remix to bring chief keith to everyone right yeah so then it was like but chief keith was never a

02:09:30.320 mainstream artist whereas now street music is number one lil dirk is is right at the top of the charts

02:09:35.600 when dirk did that song with drake that was sort of the moment where everyone was like oh he's from the

02:09:39.680 rack but he is you know i think that was a number two billboard so you would say you so you think dirt

02:09:43.680 did more for chicago than than keith in the mainstream yes you think so chief keith's the

02:09:48.960 pioneer but i feel like dirk is like he's the one that he's like the 50 cent of chicago drill you know

02:09:54.640 what i mean you know that's a good argument um because i i remember when keith blew up i was in

02:09:58.880 college and that's when i because here's the thing so i stopped listening to hip-hop in like 2009

02:10:04.880 because i started to get angry with all the the the watered down stuff and drake was starting to take

02:10:08.880 over i was never a fan of drake's era was like oh nine so even to this day but this is when he

02:10:13.360 started to pop off i stopped listening to hip-hop i was big into edm what made me come back to hip-hop

02:10:18.000 was chief keith yeah in 2012 when i heard out online i was like finally yeah we got some like you know

02:10:23.600 aggressive music again instead of this other stuff because no offense i know something i might get mad

02:10:27.440 about this but i didn't really like kendrick lamar like that i didn't care about big sean i didn't listen

02:10:31.440 to any of these artists bro like i was like if i want to listen to that type of i'm gonna go listen to eminem

02:10:35.120 you know what i mean i i think eminem is the real deal you want to listen to lyrics go to eminem

02:10:39.840 right um or i'll listen to naz i'll listen to jay-z so uh and i know a lot of people i love j cole

02:10:44.640 whatever i don't listen to none of them sorry guys i'm too old right and then chief keep brought me

02:10:49.360 back in because i like because i like that drill stuff then i said you know i was not listening to

02:10:54.800 that stuff for a bit and then you're right bro i mean i ain't gonna lie six nine brought me back to

02:10:59.040 to to new york hip-hop too before people could talk shit about six nine but yeah before but he 0.59

02:11:03.600 was making bangers yeah i mean billy um kuda um all of his songs that came out like in 2017 2018

02:11:10.800 he was just were bangers he was on a robot song after song oh bobby shmurda too bobby shmurda

02:11:15.440 brought me back oh bobby shmurda it was short-lived it was short-lived it was too real like yeah chief

02:11:20.720 key brought me in 2012 bobby shmurda came out 2014 right yeah i i started listening to hip-hop again he got

02:11:26.880 locked up immediately they didn't wait long he was in jail like a year later right him and rowdy

02:11:31.760 and then i didn't make a return hip-hop again until you know what bro that's a good point

02:11:35.920 people hate six nine but yo he did bring he brought the gangster back he did bring it back and i feel

02:11:40.720 like he kind of he peeps what worked for bobby shmurda and then he was like i'm just gonna build

02:11:45.120 this persona and do this yeah even though i'm not really a blood yeah and it just all worked and then

02:11:49.760 it was ironic because it felt like then he was beefing with dirk i mean he was on ig live this and fbg duck

02:11:55.040 yeah i think ironically his fake blood persona and the songs were genuinely good yeah brought

02:12:00.560 more shine back to the real gangsters he was beefing with saying he was gonna shoot at chief keith

02:12:04.480 gonna gonna beef with all this stuff because he went after all the the drill artists that cemented

02:12:09.680 their legacy before him he did and then i think the funny thing is when he got when he got his case

02:12:15.360 which was huge news and then when he got exposed as a snitch then everybody gravitated towards the real

02:12:20.720 dudes and then when you got to 2018 it was all king von era because von was speaking with six

02:12:25.680 nine for a little bit yeah when six nine was out but then all the attention shifted to von

02:12:30.000 young boy real gangsters making commercial music i don't think it's changed since then yeah you know

02:12:35.440 you're right dude because people forget as much as people talk about and i know somebody i was saying

02:12:39.920 like kendrick and j cole in the chat or whatever yeah guys i didn't listen to that whole era of rap i

02:12:43.920 mean i don't i'm sorry like from the in 2010s i didn't really listen to those guys um i'm sure they're

02:12:49.040 great artists but i don't know enough um that like that whole area is blank for me i was too busy

02:12:53.520 listening to edm back then yeah um i love edm too but anyway um with six nine when he came back out

02:13:02.320 um when he when he came out with the stuff people forget right they want to karma central and other

02:13:06.880 stuff if you go back to his music videos everybody that he was around was verified you know he was there

02:13:11.280 with mel murder he was there with like high level five star bloods like he was that's why people really

02:13:17.440 that's why he used to talk the way he did because he was around the top dudes in in new york city when

02:13:22.560 it came to to the bloods and the billy so and on top of that like new york is not like um like la or

02:13:28.160 a lot of these other places in new york they have alliances like bloods and there's bloods and crips

02:13:32.080 they go fight other bloods right so um in new york it was all about neighborhoods right that's why 0.65

02:13:38.080 like you look at like the woo and shit right pop was a crip but there was he bunch of had he had a bunch 0.95

02:13:43.360 of friends that were bloods and they they went after the gds they aligned so the gang life in 0.82

02:13:47.600 new york is a lot different than in california it's like um certain sets deal with certain sets

02:13:52.080 regardless of flag color just because of who they represent more neighborhoods so um so yeah six and

02:13:57.360 i definitely put the light back on new york for new york drill which opened it up right for uh you know

02:14:04.160 people like 22 g's goes to pop and pop smoke obviously was popping too at this point well no when

02:14:08.480 the possible it really popped off like 2018 yeah well he's a funny one around the same time

02:14:13.280 yeah yeah because he was an interesting one because he kind of had a lot of overlap with

02:14:16.560 the uk drill scene right because he was rapping on the uk beats he he did that song welcome to the party

02:14:21.280 which got a big remix from skepta who's like you know yes one of the biggest in the uk as far as grime

02:14:26.240 goes and so it was like he had this really great movement that was this sort of like american gangster 0.77

02:14:31.200 shit but with these uk inspired beats and it was kind of party welcome to the party it's a party song 0.97

02:14:35.520 yeah but it was some gangster shit and it was just like this amazing wave but yeah it was that 0.99

02:14:39.680 2018 was like the peak of the peak of pop smoke as far as like yeah you know like deor coming out and 0.92

02:14:45.520 stuff yeah but i think yeah six and i came out 2017 was it 2017 i think billy came out in in in 2017

02:14:54.000 2017 and kuda and stuff i mean we could look it up because his run was like quite short it was very

02:15:00.160 short because he was in prison by november of 2018 if i'm not mistaken end of the year yeah

02:15:06.400 because i remember he came out with dummy boy like a couple days before he went to jail i feel like

02:15:11.920 did gummo come out in the end of 2016 i could be wrong but chris can we search it real quick

02:15:17.360 can you type it type in gunmo 69 i mean if i had to guess i'm gonna say gummo came out like 0.71

02:15:23.520 now maybe oh shit maybe it was 2017. 0.69

02:15:28.400 yeah yeah that was such a hard song bro and he comes on with a rainbow hair all the bloods around 1.00

02:15:34.560 him it's like it's like who i smoke you know that moment when who i smoke switches from their playing 0.95

02:15:38.800 golf classical music to then it's like i'm just doing your shit like that was the same for gummo 0.92

02:15:42.960 it's just like with the blicky uh and all the bloods rainbow hair didn't make any sense and it's 0.98

02:15:47.440 just you can't you're like what the hell you have to watch no but there was no disputing it because

02:15:51.280 the people who was with were all verified you know what i mean yeah yeah and so it was undeniable

02:15:57.200 okay let's see here five years ago damn five years ago already oh october 2017 yep yeah so yeah so so

02:16:04.720 he popped up before possible did look at just like bro like the guy's got rainbow hairs got six lines

02:16:10.080 tired the bloods are out there's a bit where they've got all the weed on the top of the car yeah it's like

02:16:14.480 pounds of weed yeah it's that shotty with a gun out yeah i've watched this video so many times forensic

02:16:19.280 analysis you can see uh uh shoddy right there right but yeah bro like i mean this was this this was uh

02:16:27.120 so you answer me this right yeah would the feds look at the weeds yeah look at the weed with the

02:16:31.520 feds that worked on this case would they have had to sit and watch this over and over again and

02:16:35.200 analyzing everything oh yeah bro i'd be like yeah i would uh i made a joke about this if you type in

02:16:39.920 type in uh casting over real quick big ape uh chris like i'll show you all like how how feds go watch 0.69

02:16:46.000 music videos right so like this video i'd be pausing and i'd be looking at who's who identifying

02:16:51.600 each person and then i already know bam that that dude's a gang member etc this one they actually used

02:16:57.840 this music video in their case to identify people oh bro uh for casanova's case against uh gorilla stone

02:17:05.920 uh apes yeah right so you know what i mean like yeah like you know yeah casanova was sort of like the

02:17:13.920 real version of 69 yeah the music i i there's a few casanova songs i really like and he definitely

02:17:19.120 he definitely didn't tell he's doing that 20 plus he's a real ass yeah yeah did he get a sentence or 0.67

02:17:24.000 is it still ongoing i think he's getting i don't know if he got sentenced yet but i know he played 0.94

02:17:28.400 guilty like he's he's like you know they're saying it was like from him just being in group chats and

02:17:32.880 on instagram talking to the to the members and shit like yep bro you you know once you get on in music 0.79

02:17:38.160 you really do have to completely separate yourself from that yeah yeah and the thing is is that casanova

02:17:42.560 was in uh it wasn't i would consider it like a middle high position right where he was like

02:17:47.280 right underneath the the big dudes like the big dudes for these guys was a guy named dick wolf

02:17:51.440 when i looked at the indictment who was the the main blood out of uh out of new york they're like

02:17:56.960 the top dude so but cas was like maybe two or three levels under him so right but and i guarantee you

02:18:03.920 they tried to get him to probably talk because he was in a perfect position to be able to provide

02:18:07.040 information yeah because he's high up enough to know what the hell's going on but at the same time

02:18:10.400 low enough where they can get hot guys higher than him which is exactly where 69 found himself

02:18:14.480 which is why 69 was able to negotiate such a great uh deal because he was high enough to be able to

02:18:20.880 high enough to know enough and low enough to help them get people like mel murder and all these other

02:18:25.840 guys that are really the top dudes well that's the interesting thing right because in contrast to the

02:18:30.240 young thug situation with 69 there was genuinely real gangsters at the top of the pyramid they were

02:18:35.280 actually trying to take off the streets before 69 was even involved 100 whereas with thug that kind of

02:18:40.080 is the top guy thug is the guy thug is the guy and then that's where and also it's a state case too so

02:18:45.760 you know and they've been they've been going after him for a while you know what i mean the police are

02:18:50.560 always going to feel some type of way if you like ridicule them or make fun of them and i mean let's

02:18:53.920 be honest man his lyrics are brazen as hell uh shot at his mommy and he no longer mentioned me bro i was

02:18:58.560 like what the like bro it's it's it's almost like you gotta wonder what was going through his head when

02:19:02.640 he was in the booth of like yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna say this stuff like i'm gonna say i'll show his mom

02:19:07.840 because i did shoot at his mom and doesn't mention me anymore because he doesn't it's like

02:19:12.400 what's the thought process that's just one lyric like when i went through the indictment i did a

02:19:16.400 whole thing on this there are several songs and lyrics that they're using as against him as evidence

02:19:22.480 well it's not just thug as wild the artists like yak got he's got hella hella lyrics where they're

02:19:26.400 talking about we smoked your og like we we did this we did that like bro like that and and as well it's

02:19:33.040 like you can't you can't build the label around the criminal gang and then it's like the same dudes 0.92

02:19:38.800 that are the shooters in the gang of your signed artists and shit like it's probably like at some 0.86

02:19:42.160 point you just have to be like i've made it out the streets i'm going to sign some actual artists 0.95

02:19:45.520 not just not just the shooters like yeah and that's and that's the thing nowadays is like it's all about

02:19:49.840 like signing guys that are real but hey when you sign people that are real well you're going to

02:19:53.920 face a lot of real problems yeah and they're going to be in jail and everything else like that you look

02:19:57.440 at like 10 17 all of them are a prison brah you know what i mean well gucci main went through that

02:20:01.920 so it's sort of like he took that template for his success you know i wonder if it's lucrative to be

02:20:06.560 honest like signing these artists that go to jail and owning their catalog and making the money while

02:20:10.640 they're in jail who's sheisty he didn't get enough recording done before he went to jail i feel like if

02:20:15.120 he had the two or three more mixtapes in the can he'd be he'd be sitting comfy yeah it'd be all right

02:20:18.720 it was just that one hard mixtape that he had yeah and then like i've just had to keep that on repeat

02:20:23.120 because there's no more sexy music yeah there's nothing yeah and that's yeah that's true there's

02:20:28.640 a couple artists like that that are like you know probably facing rico and diamonds are going to go

02:20:32.400 to jail very soon i mean hot boys and that same things yeah where they got the the the thing but 0.81

02:20:36.960 he's putting a lot of music out bro you got that's the thing man when you know that those charges are

02:20:40.800 hovering over your head you better drop a mixtape yeah you're like kobe bryant when when he was

02:20:44.800 going through that case uh you know the dude was dropping 80 points every night you know i mean granted he

02:20:49.840 was innocent we all know that because that girl was capping but yeah dude it's it's just wild 0.95

02:20:54.480 shit with with hip-hop it's there's a magnifying glass on hip-hop now more than ever before thanks 0.95

02:20:59.520 to internet it's more violent than it's ever been before i mean i remember when it was just used to 0.98

02:21:02.960 be music bro it's no longer just music yeah at all it's it's true crime mixed with music now the drill

02:21:09.600 stuff and let's be real is very interesting it is it is you can't i can't stop listening to the 0.97

02:21:15.600 shit it's like this murder music it's so bad fine but it exists it's chicago started it i would say 0.96

02:21:20.880 chicago started it when they said a tuca gang what's this and then bam that just opened the 1.00

02:21:24.720 door for dissing dead ops yeah right and then uh and then i would say bobby schmerder took the torch

02:21:30.480 and continued it uh mitch caught a body about a week ago like he throws his hair on the head

02:21:37.600 out of the thing and it was real like if they really did get mitch really i guess we did catch a

02:21:41.440 body about a week ago and then that's where it's like okay now we're going to start blending the street 0.94

02:21:45.360 shit with the rap shit and then bam next thing you know you know you got people like young and age 0.99

02:21:49.600 disinops you got fully old disinops um and all real shit like yeah there you homie got smoked all about 0.99

02:21:55.120 that was unheard of bro back in the day i remember gucci main was really the first person to do it when 0.98

02:22:01.760 he talked about young jeezy's guy getting killed yeah and everyone was like whoa yeah what's wrong with

02:22:06.720 you granted gucci man had a good reason right that he got robbed three dudes broke into the house and he

02:22:11.520 shot killed one of them and one of them was young jeezy's guy and at the time him and young jeezy had

02:22:15.200 issued you know there's there's debates that like young jeezy offered them 10 000 to kill gucci

02:22:19.840 right but uh regardless like that i remember that was like very taboo like whoa you actually killed

02:22:24.880 someone you're talking about the dead that's unacceptable nowadays it's like ah let's pull

02:22:28.960 on uh let's put on a miley cyrus beat it hey that's what class was coming next yeah bro that's the disney

02:22:34.800 drilling mixtape yeah dude it's it's it's a different era man it is a different era it has changed

02:22:40.640 significantly now it's out there you know with the internet social media etc and you know clout

02:22:45.840 is everything nowadays like they they want clout so they oh yeah i killed him yeah you know and and 0.56

02:22:51.680 and yeah king von definitely has a bunch of bodies bro everybody knows this you know what i mean like

02:22:56.480 i am not condoning it let's stop the violence but at the same time if if you're doing the violence and

02:23:01.680 you're rapping about it we're gonna listen to it i'm gonna we're gonna be looking up the streets you said

02:23:06.240 you smoked an op on yeah because this is the modern age this is the internet yeah you can't

02:23:10.240 talk about smoking somebody and have not people not look it up yeah this is the age we're living in

02:23:14.320 of course and and and i mean now a lot of this stuff is coming to fruition i mean they pretty much

02:23:19.520 had him as the main suspect for ki right they could put it they put it out after he passed away like yeah

02:23:24.000 we we he was he was the main guy that we think killed the von story is particularly crazy because

02:23:28.560 it's like he was supposedly the guy that was putting in crazy amounts of work in the streets

02:23:33.680 allegedly killing numerous people but then rapping about like he had this he clearly got this

02:23:40.480 enjoyment out of rapping about it you know it was almost like he was going so close to the line as

02:23:44.880 far as like hinting that he did these crimes and you know the the twist at the end of the tail bro like

02:23:50.960 it's crazy but you know he died in completely unrelated situation never got to face up to the to the

02:23:57.440 consequences of stuff he was allegedly involved in and uh you know i think i i often wonder about you

02:24:03.520 you know the people and the families of the people that von allegedly you know had something to do with

02:24:06.720 killing and it's just like man do you know what must that have felt like hearing all that music

02:24:10.400 and the charts you know billboard charting songs yeah right situations bro it's tragic like that's

02:24:15.600 true it's crazy like he literally like you know like chief keith made a career off of saying 0.92

02:24:21.120 fuck tuca yeah right and a bunch of other guys too right like uh you know a dirk and and uh and 0.98

02:24:26.960 von you know we still said tuca in my lungs i'm like god damn bro he died like 10 years ago y'all still 0.99

02:24:32.240 talking about this he was like a kid it goes it goes to show like the deep-seated hatred between 0.84

02:24:37.760 o-block and um um fbg it was just it was like bro they literally hit them and the crazy part is like

02:24:44.960 yo they're a couple blocks from each other you know what i mean and von was like yeah we keep

02:24:48.720 a scorecard all this other stuff so and and the thing is too you know i think it's very interesting

02:24:53.200 i watch a lot of interviews of people that knew von and speak about him and one thing that i've noticed

02:24:56.800 that every single interviewee says about von is that yeah he was he was about that for real he was

02:25:01.840 crazy 7 00 a.m he's talking about let's go out and drill yeah what the hell you know like and and

02:25:06.560 you know normally if one person tells you something okay let me see here but when multiple people say

02:25:11.600 the same exact thing in different interviews at different points in time right he was he was like

02:25:18.320 that life he did that he probably has the most bodies of any rapper of any rapper brother that like

02:25:25.280 actually like made it so someone will come through and because people are incentivized to do this 0.92

02:25:30.560 shit now that's the craziest thing i'm not condoning it but it's like someone will come 0.83

02:25:33.600 through and do worse because that's just how it works you know what i mean someone out there 0.99

02:25:36.960 it's probably got eight bodies and they're just like you know what time to start that rap career 0.90

02:25:41.040 it's fucked up that's the age we're living in yeah yeah i mean it's wild man i mean i mean he beat 0.90

02:25:46.640 that what that murder case where he clearly was a shooter but the other guy didn't want to cooperate 0.98

02:25:50.560 yeah you know uh malcolm stucky i think that was it yeah yeah bro baffling like i don't know chicago pd

02:25:58.320 don't know what they're doing yeah dude i don't know what they're doing either bro that's why the 0.99

02:26:01.840 mbi had to step in on that fbg shit and they stepped in because they killed him in a terrible 1.00

02:26:06.160 area like they killed him on the go bro okay listen i want to kill each other go do that all black 1.00

02:26:10.000 dude over here the gucci store nah man you know what's crazy the amount of time that they got away 0.98

02:26:14.560 with that for it was like because that happened and i think i forget i want to say that was uh yeah

02:26:20.480 they didn't come back and arrest them for a while it was august 2020 that they killed duck and then von

02:26:26.160 died two years later and they didn't arrest them for like what over a year after von died i guess

02:26:30.320 because they wanted von no didn't von die that year he died a few months later yeah he died a few months

02:26:34.400 later november and he died november of 2020 but it didn't take many years for them to pick up the

02:26:38.800 guys for doing yeah it took some time it took some time but the feds rico case always take long and

02:26:42.800 then also i'm sure von getting killed through a wrench in their system yeah because i i was talking about

02:26:47.520 this before um if von was alive today he would be the primary target of that rico case 100 i just

02:26:52.880 sometimes wonder whether they'll try and tie dirk into something because he's trying he's hanging

02:26:57.280 with all the same guys you know oh dude they're definitely trying i i would not be surprised if

02:27:01.520 there isn't a open fbi case right now on dirk for racketeering would not be a surprise whatsoever

02:27:08.320 well they dropped the attempted murder charges that dirk had with von him and von caught that

02:27:12.400 attempted murder in atlanta and they dropped that and it makes you wonder like are they dropping that

02:27:16.640 to catching with something bigger down the line or is he i'll tell you this that could be done

02:27:21.200 because i've had it before where um because you can't charge someone on the same crime into

02:27:26.080 federal and state right so a lot of the times if i had a stronger case let's say i'll give you a

02:27:30.640 simple example of this someone gets caught with a gun in possession right a felony possession charge

02:27:35.200 well every state has a felony possession statute right but there's a federal one i would have to

02:27:39.840 tell the ada hey can you drop your state felony possession case we're going to charge them federally

02:27:44.400 they drop theirs and then bam now we can hit them federally so it might not be a good thing that

02:27:47.840 they dropped that case in atlanta because they can go ahead and say no we want to describe that

02:27:52.000 as a pattern of racketeering in this overall thing because lorico all they really got to do is show

02:27:56.400 that there's a pattern of crimes and furtherance of the gang which in this case the king is going

02:27:59.680 to be old block they've already established that this is a gang that has uh recognition etc they've

02:28:05.600 identified members whatever they they could they consider it the enterprise federally so i mean it could

02:28:10.320 that could be a component of it where they have a case they're building a case against them and they

02:28:14.640 need the state to drop that so they can go ahead and put it into the federal thing bro if dirt

02:28:18.160 court case the bit they've got dirt caught the big one that would be the biggest story in hip-hop

02:28:22.080 for years man yeah bro i'm a big duck fan so hopefully not but yeah and then yeah and they're all bd

02:28:28.320 so that's that's easy right it's under the gang against the disciples umbrella so you know black 0.90

02:28:32.400 disciples gangsta disciples there they used to be one but bro they split off it's serious man

02:28:37.040 hopefully not uh not guilty and i'm filthy diddy and then uh thank you about that blind controller and

02:28:42.160 then uh most of their lingo comes from undertones of atlanta trap culture you have to demonstrate

02:28:46.160 hospitality as well as dark try to hustle effectively and then three diglets hanson mmbop changed the game

02:28:52.080 for me i don't know what that is i don't know i don't know what that is chris it's a you know kind

02:28:59.680 of pretty song okay fair enough uh uh anything else you want to hit man or we write this thing up no

02:29:04.960 man this has been fire thank you for having me man thank you for showing me love it's so good to

02:29:08.480 come to miami and link up and it's always great talking to you see the scenes i think the people

02:29:12.080 really enjoyed it too guys just shooting the bro it's been lit so hopefully be back again soon yo

02:29:17.680 guys all his links i'm going to put them below subscribe can we pull up his channel no what's

02:29:22.080 this sorry here it is awesome oh that doesn't look like something i'll be listening to what the hell 0.56

02:29:28.720 oh man that's hilarious yeah guys uh rockwood ross guys great content man a lot of the stuff i'll

02:29:34.800 probably cover because a lot of them ask me for jacksonville stuff i'll probably cover uh that and

02:29:39.040 i'm definitely going to use his video on that the best documentary by far thank you on uh on the

02:29:44.800 jacksonville situation there's a lot of new updates on that i mean yo and ace even watched it oh yeah

02:29:49.200 man ace watched it fully i said he didn't watch it but i think he might have watched it low-key yeah

02:29:53.280 he definitely watched you know what i'm saying yeah he's like wait how do you know all this 0.90

02:29:56.240 shit but there's been a lot of there's been a lot of updates in jacksonville a lot of different 0.93

02:30:00.000 development so i'm excited to see what you do on it because i feel like it's been nearly two years

02:30:04.480 maybe since i covered it so man there'll be a lot of new info i'm excited to see what you do yeah

02:30:08.480 okay so is though bro him and his dad's flipping on him yeah that flipped on him yep that's the latest

02:30:13.760 information so that yeah he case always done he's 100 he's going to jail he's gonna have to smoke his 0.51

02:30:18.960 dad bro yeah and it's like yo how do you like bro all he did was talk about bibi like you were the 0.98

02:30:24.240 killer he would wear baby jersey and shit thinking it was funny that goes to show you how crazy it's 0.97

02:30:29.920 gotten these days because he was doing that for his music for his clout and look where he is now yeah 1.00

02:30:35.200 it's fucked yeah man guys don't join gangs don't commit murders man yeah just listen to the music 0.94

02:30:40.160 keep it music only facts but other than that guys go check out trap law ross go check out his uh 0.99

02:30:44.880 clips channel which is trap more ross right clips i got travel ross trap trap law clips

02:30:50.480 trap more clips and then trap more ross which i'm gonna i think i'm gonna make that like a

02:30:55.040 streaming channel okay that was just like a throwaway channel i was just doing random stuff

02:30:58.240 on okay um but traveler ross travel clips that's the main thing bam guys go check him out man uh

02:31:04.240 we'll catch you guys uh on the next episode of fed it no no no thursday episode this was your episode

02:31:08.480 man hope y'all guys enjoyed this chopping it up with a good friend here and uh yeah man i wish you a

02:31:12.160 safe trip back to the uk appreciate it man thank you for having me peace out guys

02:31:15.440 a special agent with homelands investigations okay guys hsi the cases that i did mostly were

02:31:23.520 human smuggling and drug trafficking no one else has these documents by the way here's what

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