The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Fed & @TrapLoreRoss Discuss Tate Arrest, How Feds Do Cases, YSL RICO, Hop Hop, Drill, and MORE!

00:00:00.000 and we are live what's up guys welcome to fed it i'm here with trap lawyer ross man we got a lot

00:00:05.760 to talk about man we got a lot to talk about yeah i'm so hyped uh we're gonna be talking about ysl

00:00:11.920 guys hip-hop drill all the different cases going on let's get into it man

00:00:19.120 i was a special agent with homelands investigations okay guys hsi the cases that i did mostly were

00:00:23.760 human smuggling and drug trafficking no one else has these documents by the way here's what fed it

00:00:30.480 covers doctor lafredo confirmed lacerations due to stepping on glass murder investigations

00:00:38.720 reaching in his jacket you don't know and he's positioning been on february 13 2019 you're facing

00:00:43.840 two counts of two meditative murder racketeering and rico conspiracy young slime life here and

00:00:49.360 after referred to as ysl the defendants uh six nine and then this is billy seco right here now when

00:00:54.640 they first started guys six nine ran i'm upset i'm watching this music video you know i'm bobbing

00:01:00.080 my head like hey this shit lit but at the same time i'm pausing oh wait who this right well who's that in

00:01:05.040 the back firearms and violence a.k.a bush ic violated in order to stay away from the dick

00:01:15.440 this is the one that that's gonna him up because this gun is not tracing

00:01:19.040 well it happened at the gun range here's your boy 42 doug right here on the left

00:01:22.320 okay sex trafficking and sex crimes they can effectively link him to paying an underage girl

00:01:29.280 and the first bomb went off right here

00:01:35.680 inspired by al-qaeda two terrorists brothers the zokar sarnev and tamarland sarnev when the cartel

00:01:42.240 shipped drugs into the country as this guy got arrested for um espionage okay trading secrets

00:01:47.360 with the russians for monetary compensation the largest corrupt police bust in new orleans history

00:01:56.400 so he was in this bad boy we're gonna go over his past the gang guys so that this all makes sense

00:02:08.160 all right what's up guys yeah you guys got fed it on a tuesday man

00:02:11.360 uh as you guys know um i normally do fed it on uh sundays and thursdays but we got a special guest

00:02:19.200 in the house man and he leaves back to the uk so we got to make sure that we go ahead and get

00:02:23.360 uh this interview going man and we got a bunch of stuff to talk about actually hell yeah um so russ

00:02:28.560 i know who you are just in case that people don't know who you are man can you introduce yourself to

00:02:31.840 the people sure thing yeah it's trap law russ uh i make very long in-depth documentaries about the most

00:02:37.520 important situations in the rap game drill music you know classic rap stories from way back to very

00:02:44.560 recently we just try and cover everything really just try and cover like everything in depth i mean

00:02:49.760 i know fed it goes extremely in depth yeah when you cover a story a lot of the stuff i i uh i use your

00:02:55.120 stuff your research to make the videos or i'll just react to and i'm like yeah this is and i'll go

00:02:59.120 further into like maybe what the legal term means or whatever how they conducted the investigation

00:03:03.280 to get to that point so your content helps me a lot a lot of times i'll like get a really good

00:03:07.680 background on it from watching your stuff and then i'll go and look at like the more legal law

00:03:11.040 enforcement side well i think we're living in a really interesting age because like right now we're

00:03:14.800 on the internet where there is ridiculous amounts of information out there about criminal cases

00:03:20.160 obviously music and lyrics kind of give an insight into a lot of real situations going on in the street

00:03:25.440 or in crime history and like my thing has always just been if i tackle a story i want to just try and

00:03:31.040 find every single tidbit of information i can about that story put it all into one video and

00:03:35.680 really just like show and tell yeah and i think you know you're really good at that too as far as

00:03:39.040 just like finding all the information you know i love it when people use me as a source because i'm

00:03:42.160 kind of just like out there trying to use any tricks that i can to find out all the information

00:03:46.800 about a situation or an artist or a crime and bro we're living in a crazy time of the internet where

00:03:52.400 the access to information is nuts and that's actually something i want to talk to you about

00:03:56.000 because i think for me sometimes i really take for granted like the methods that i use as far as

00:04:00.160 people always say to me like bro how did you find this out how did you find that and i'm like

00:04:03.040 i was just fucking i don't know googled it right i cross-referenced google with reddit yeah and

00:04:06.320 it kind of makes me realize like oh it's kind of deep actually the way i put these together but

00:04:09.520 you with your experience as a fed yeah i imagine that the resources that you've had at your disposal

00:04:14.240 to investigate you know real life situations and now using the internet to investigate kind of famous

00:04:18.800 crimes i feel like maybe i've got a lot we've got a lot to learn from each other as far as like

00:04:22.400 hunting down that information yeah um so for for people that are wondering as far as like law

00:04:27.040 enforcement goes and how law enforcement gathers information there's a couple different ways that

00:04:30.240 you can go about it so one of them is you could do something called an administrative subpoena

00:04:34.240 an administrative subpoena is basically like hey we need you to give us these types of court records

00:04:39.680 now depending on the agency that you work with some agencies can do administrative subpoenas because

00:04:44.080 they have the power to do it they have the authority to do it and others can't so when i was an agent

00:04:48.240 i worked for homeland security investigations um and we were able to give out um admin subpoenas and

00:04:53.040 typically it was under two different laws it was either under 8 usc which is immigration code

00:04:57.280 or under the title 21 which is the drug code of united states so you can issue a subpoena to them

00:05:01.840 hey for one of those two reasons or customs violations excuse me title 19 so you can issue

00:05:07.360 a subpoena let's say to like a phone company i figure out that this crook has this phone number

00:05:11.840 i want to figure out who owns that phone number who the subscribers that phone number i can give the

00:05:16.720 phone company an admin subpoena they give me back the information on who runs that phone number

00:05:21.280 now if i want to get into something more a little a little deeper like the contents of the phone or

00:05:25.520 whatever it may be well number one i'll have to have the phone in front of me right or if i want to look

00:05:28.960 at their icloud i'll have to do something called a search warrant and that is pretty much you write

00:05:32.640 up an affidavit um that outlines all your probable cause why you need to be able to search this particular

00:05:38.080 device right so you got admin subpoenas right so if we're going to go on a hierarchy admin subpoenas

00:05:43.360 are at the bottom you can just issue that just because hey i want to figure out who the subscriber

00:05:47.040 of this phone number is then after that you could do something called a grand jury subpoena which is a

00:05:51.040 higher level of a subpoena which allows you to get like detailed information on bank records on

00:05:57.760 things that are a little bit more typically it's for financial cases especially and uh also the

00:06:02.080 and you can also do grand jury subpoenas to like figure out someone's phone information or whatever

00:06:05.600 but the reason why grand jury subpoenas right are better than admin subpoenas is because admin

00:06:11.040 subpoenas a lot of times let's say i give an admin subpoena to facebook or to yahoo or to google

00:06:15.840 well for one they can go ahead and disclose to their describer their subscriber that the government

00:06:21.040 is reaching out to try to get their information and depending on the company some companies have

00:06:26.080 30 days 60 days 90 days but in general they do have the ability to tell their customer hey just so you

00:06:32.880 know the government asked for your stuff all right so if you don't want them to notify the subscriber of

00:06:37.680 your investigation and your subpoena you get a grand jury subpoena that way they cannot go ahead and

00:06:42.800 uh disclose that and then the level above that is uh what you could be like a court order right you

00:06:48.880 could be a uh something is along the lines of some something called the trap and trace

00:06:53.120 what a trap and trace is aka known also as a pen register that allows you to track real time

00:06:58.960 someone's phone activity right so let's say um i know that you're a drug dealer right and you're

00:07:04.560 calling and communicating with a bunch of different people that are involved in criminal activity

00:07:08.240 well i could do something called a pen register which is a court order all i need is reasonable

00:07:12.080 suspicion for that and and basically it's going to give me a live feed of all of your phone

00:07:18.080 activity i'm going to see all the numbers you're contacting all the people you're talking to etc

00:07:22.640 i don't know what you're talking about right i don't know like anything specific i just know

00:07:26.480 you're contacting these numbers so let's say i know that you could you did it i was watching you

00:07:31.200 on surveillance i know you did a drug deal at 5 p.m on monday well what i'll do is when i know that

00:07:36.720 you're doing these criminal activities because i've been watching on surveillance i'm going to go back

00:07:39.520 to the office look at the pen register at that time period of when you were doing that drug deal

00:07:43.200 every single phone number that you contacted during that time period more than likely is involved in

00:07:47.680 criminal activity i'm going to subpoena those numbers figure out who the fuck they are and this

00:07:51.200 is how you build the the cobweb of uh conspiracy right so that's a that's a pen register uh but that's

00:07:57.440 just a court order you don't get real content you just know who they're contacting right really good

00:08:00.640 for drug trafficking investigation and then after that you get search warrants now this is probably the

00:08:05.440 highest level here because at this point you got to write that affidavit like i described earlier

00:08:09.120 you uh hey it needs to be with probable cause you give it to a prosecutor the day you say you know

00:08:14.080 make sure it's good and go good to go he sends it to the judge you go to the judge's chambers you

00:08:18.480 swear it out he gives you the actual search warrant and then bam you go to the dude's house and you

00:08:22.560 kick in the door or if you have their phone you start to search it or whatever you know you plan to

00:08:27.200 search um and then the highest level above that is something called title three intercepts

00:08:31.680 and a title three intercept is wiretapping phones got it when you're listening to um

00:08:36.240 when you're listening to people's phones or if you're wiretapping their email you can see all

00:08:39.280 the emails coming in it's real-time monitoring of the communication and the actual content and to

00:08:44.400 be able to do a title three need that pen register i described before because the pen register is the

00:08:48.560 foundation from what you're going to do the title three because once going back to the drug deal thing

00:08:54.000 you did a drug deal at 5 p.m i know this because i was watching you on surveillance maybe you had

00:08:57.440 my source my informant bought drugs from you during that time and you communicated with three or four

00:09:00.960 other people and then some people showed up well now i can articulate well ross is talking to these

00:09:05.600 five phone numbers who i know are sources of supply because i did an investigation i looked them all up

00:09:10.320 and i figured out that you know they're all members of this cartel this drug trafficking organization

00:09:14.960 bam now i write a title three affidavit i need to listen to his phone because i know he's involved

00:09:18.880 in criminal activity i've pretty much made your phone dirty with the pen register and i maybe i have

00:09:23.760 a recorded phone call with you and a source say where you guys are talking or talking

00:09:27.680 uh about criminal activity and then that is going to be the basis for which i get my title three

00:09:32.320 so that right there is pretty much most of the tools a lot of law enforcement officers have to figure

00:09:38.480 out um to do their investigation so just a quick little recap for you out real fast

00:09:46.640 so number one it's admin subpoenas guys okay this is the the lowest level where you can go ahead

00:09:50.800 and send the subpoena to you know t-mobile or whatever i need to know who the hell owns this phone

00:09:54.400 number then you got a grand jury subpoena grand jury subpoena is you get that through the prosecutor

00:09:59.280 and uh and a grand jury right they convene and they give you what you need and then you go ahead and

00:10:02.720 you issue that to the bank hey i need these financial records and you can't tell your goddamn

00:10:05.920 customer i'm looking then after that you got a court order an example of this would be something

00:10:10.000 like a trap and trace pen register where you're actively monitoring someone's phone right you can't

00:10:14.640 really see what the hell they're talking about but you can see who he's contacting then after that

00:10:19.200 you got a search warrant a search warrant basically you know an affidavit is written

00:10:22.560 outlining all your probable cause you bring it to a judge he signs it bam you can go ahead

00:10:26.320 and search and then on top of that the highest level is that title three which or t3 or wiretaps

00:10:32.240 as we would say uh title three intercepts we call them in the government and that is when you're

00:10:35.840 actively monitoring someone's medium of communication whether it's a phone an email etc but to be able to

00:10:41.360 listen to a title three you need to have that pen register to establish that phone is used in crime

00:10:46.320 and you need something called a dirty phone call which is maybe an informant calls the bad guy

00:10:50.240 maybe an undercover it calls the bad guy and they talk about criminal activity bam now i got your

00:10:54.960 phone your phone is dirty i've established that i have real-time information that you're talking

00:10:59.280 with crooks i write on my t3 affidavit which could be anywhere between they're long my last one i did

00:11:04.320 uh back in like 2018 when was the last time i did it in i think 2016. i did i'll never forget yeah i

00:11:10.960 signed on september 1st 2016 it was 75 pages it was a drug trafficking case and and it was you need a

00:11:17.040 lot of probable cause to be honest with y'all you guys need you need more probable cause to listen

00:11:21.200 to someone's phone than to arrest them damn that's good so bro but yeah i threw a lot there so no no

00:11:25.920 that was fine so i was like the video guys i was always a huge fan of the wire the show growing up

00:11:30.800 oh yeah do you you you must have seen this yeah yeah yeah baltimore so that in the show

00:11:35.680 where they're literally you know they're in like a dingy office you know they're listening they're

00:11:39.520 all listening in on all the drug deals is that what it's really like yeah so so yes and no so when

00:11:45.600 you're doing a wiretap um you have to do something you have to like read in everybody to the case

00:11:52.160 right because since it's saddle three intercepts and that's considered like one of the biggest

00:11:55.360 invasions of someone's privacy you need to read in certain people into the case and only certain

00:12:00.400 people can listen to the conversation so anyone that's in your group that's helping you with the

00:12:03.840 investigation and we uh monitors a lot of times you um a lot of agencies will go ahead and hire

00:12:09.120 outside monitors to come in and monitor the uh the call and then they're like professionals that like

00:12:13.920 listening to it writing it down transcribing it etc and then typically there'll be one agent in the

00:12:18.800 room supervising them so are there some agencies where the actual agent themselves sit and sits

00:12:23.680 and listen to it for sure but most of the time you have third party contractors slash monitors they come

00:12:28.160 in they listen to it they interpret it they put out the paperwork for you etc and there's agents

00:12:32.560 overseeing it why do they do that with a third party contractor because to me just off the bat that

00:12:36.960 seems like a not secure way of handling this information or is it trying to create a separation

00:12:41.520 between the agents and the subjects uh typically the reason why is just they don't have enough

00:12:45.120 manpower oh okay um so like so like there are some agencies that do t3s all the time got it or um

00:12:50.000 like dea they're on wires all day okay so so for them they'll have a specific like i know for a fact

00:12:55.920 like dea has wire rooms a lot of times and they'll have dedicated monitors that like kind of work under

00:13:00.960 dea that do it but some other agencies don't do wiretaps as much so um because they're very expensive

00:13:07.040 they're very difficult to do they're extremely labor intensive right um so you can get in that

00:13:12.400 third party contractor to come in and do it when you actually do have the wire up damn that's crazy

00:13:17.040 but yeah it's really interesting hearing you talk because i feel like almost by accident through

00:13:21.120 doing my content you know every video trying to go deeper and deeper and more in depth yeah i thought

00:13:26.240 i've almost built up a very scrappy skill set that is almost akin to like an intelligence agency because

00:13:32.400 i sit there and you know if a rapper's gone off on instagram live and copped to a few crimes

00:13:37.040 i'm sat there transcribing that yeah you know and it's i'm not listening to a wiretap but the

00:13:41.280 guy's recorded himself yeah and i'm sat there listening they made the job easier exactly you

00:13:45.120 know looking at who's in the background cross-referencing you know maybe images from google maps

00:13:49.520 to an ig live where a guy's on someone's block yeah trying to basically locate that that's hard dude

00:13:55.040 but i guess the thing that i really want to talk to you about is it's like

00:13:57.520 what methods do you guys deploy to get the info of what's going on in the streets or in the crimes

00:14:05.040 and what can a normal person or a person like me do to kind of almost like hack together versions of

00:14:11.840 that because for for me for example it's like i can i can't tap a guy's phone but i can watch all

00:14:15.440 of their ig lives i can read all of their instagram posts like i did the the rollo case recently yes

00:14:20.160 a big drug deal and self-snitching case and one of the things i did i just i went through his entire

00:14:25.120 instagram most of it's still public i looked at every post i read every caption you know i cross

00:14:30.240 cross-referenced between music videos stuff that was in the indictment what was going on and just

00:14:34.240 kind of plotted it out i guess similar to what you would have done in a case they use his instagram

00:14:38.480 against him yes i covered the rollo case too and i read the the criminal complaint uh which is

00:14:43.200 basically a criminal complaint is a uh it's a document that an agent writes up where he writes

00:14:49.200 an affidavit outlining all of his probable cause as to why he needs to get an arrest warrant to go

00:14:52.560 and get somebody right so and the criminal complaint because he got arrested by atf the

00:14:57.440 bureau of alcohol tobacco on firearms and explosives which honestly i thought was a little weird because

00:15:02.480 they don't normally do drug traffic investigations but the reason why they had the case was because

00:15:06.240 he had guns he was dealing the drugs and he had some guns so um so when i read the affidavit

00:15:11.840 they actually use his instagram as like uh as like evidence in in the affidavit so yeah they're

00:15:17.120 definitely um they definitely use your instagram but besides the stuff that like i described before you

00:15:21.520 know your subpoenas your search warrants your court orders your title three intercepts etc

00:15:25.760 other investigative techniques you can use right because those are more like what i would consider

00:15:29.200 formal techniques that you're using to accentuate your investigation right like like you're you're

00:15:34.720 you're gathering information you're like okay now i need to go deeper so the but to get the

00:15:39.680 information so that you can go ahead and get the probable cause for a search warrant or get the

00:15:42.560 probable cause for a title three intercept nine at a time dude ten times dude you need informants

00:15:48.320 informants are literally the backbone to any type of criminal investigation when i was an agent myself

00:15:53.600 at my height when i was in laredo texas i was controlling somewhere between 10 to 20 informants

00:15:58.160 at any given time uh when i was in miami florida i was controlling like five to ten right at any given

00:16:03.840 time and they're the backbone of everything and you have different types of informants right so every

00:16:08.720 agency outlines it differently but what i can break it down for y'all is is is these in general every agency

00:16:14.080 is going to have their informants in these categories i'm going to describe you got maybe

00:16:17.600 like a source of information or i used to call it a soi that's this is someone that just gives you

00:16:21.280 information maybe they uh you know they they like the police maybe they just hate crime maybe they

00:16:25.920 just want to um help out etc or they have a they they're vindictive against uh an opposing criminal

00:16:32.560 or some shit like that so that's soi you don't necessarily pay them they just contact you and give

00:16:36.960 you information then you got something called a cooperating defendant which this guy is working off

00:16:42.960 charges maybe he you got him a pinched on some state level charge or maybe you can indict him

00:16:48.000 on something uh that you got him uh you know red-handed for and you decided not to charge but

00:16:52.560 you have that over him that hey we can indict you any day you better fucking cooperate right or they've

00:16:56.960 already been charged and they're kind of working it off and they're out in the streets like we're um

00:17:01.920 cooperating right then you got a what i call a actual real confidential informant and a confidential

00:17:09.840 informant nine out of ten times is going to be documented or some people might call them like a

00:17:13.920 documented source right um you know uh homeland we call them confidential informants uh the fbi calls

00:17:20.480 it confidential human sources chs's i believe uh and then dea calls them um damn what this is dea i

00:17:28.480 think dea calls them see atf calls them cis i think dea calls them um cis as well typically it'll be like ci

00:17:34.640 number one two three four five six seven that you never use his name and then these guys are

00:17:38.960 documented you have a file for them you uh you pay them uh they get benefits right sometimes i had

00:17:44.320 informants that i paid money i had some other informants that i gave immigration benefit which

00:17:47.840 is like a unique authority that only homeland is able to do with their informants so um those are

00:17:52.720 typically the different um types of informants you you have and then you got undercovers which an

00:17:57.360 undercover is not an informant a lot of people say oh like like they'll say dumb

00:18:01.280 shit like tix and i was a fit he was an undercover no undercover is an actual special agent trained

00:18:07.360 has a gun full-fledged law enforcement authority etc he just works behind he's just in an undercover

00:18:13.200 capacity so the criminals don't know who he is so undercovers are agents informants are agents of the

00:18:18.880 government but they don't necessarily um they don't work for the government got it they're just

00:18:23.440 documented and they're cooperating and helping whether it's for money financial reasons whatever

00:18:28.560 it is or immigration benefits etc you ever see the show oz the like prison one yes i watched i

00:18:34.960 watched the first couple seasons you see in that where they i don't know if you remember but they

00:18:37.760 sent a guy a uh a guy undercover into the jail to try and bust the like drug ring in the jail did

00:18:45.520 like do people do they actually do shit like that like when they send it undercover in i've always

00:18:49.040 wondered i'm just like that strategy must be so risky yeah that like i'm surprised they even do it

00:18:54.960 but it must work it must be a successful approach right like they build a whole life around an agent

00:18:59.120 and send them into the gang yeah i mean um it is very very difficult um to get an undercover in

00:19:05.360 to a criminal organization where they're like being where they're actually very very trusted it's very

00:19:10.480 difficult that takes like years sometimes you know if you look at some of these famous like atf cases or

00:19:15.760 you look at like the famous fbi case with donnie brask or whatever like that's like deep undercover

00:19:20.320 right where um they have them literally living with the criminals etc do uh do agencies do

00:19:27.040 undercover like that to this that extent nowadays not really right with the advent of the internet

00:19:31.760 and technology whatever they could find out shit it's a little bit more dangerous it's not as easy

00:19:35.280 as it was back in like 70s 80s and 90s but um but you know there are definitely deep undercover

00:19:40.480 operations going on like that just i wouldn't say because putting your guy in jail you always have

00:19:44.960 it's always like a risk for you know weighing out the risk right so is does it benefit you more to put

00:19:49.600 an undercover agent in there right or if you have a reliable source put a reliable source in there

00:19:54.800 you know it might be better to just do go with the reliable source because with the agent you don't

00:19:58.960 want to put your guys at as much risk unfortunately right versus a crook man that's crazy it's just

00:20:05.520 crazy like you know you see this kind of thing in movies but sometimes it's like you feel like

00:20:08.880 that can't be real like it can't be to that extent but like that's what you're saying you're gonna

00:20:12.400 need a lot of approvals and the other thing too a lot of times is like you're gonna need approvals

00:20:16.640 from like the war and all this other and if you're conducting a criminal investigation

00:20:20.240 right you want as little people to know what the hell's going on as possible you know maybe you

00:20:25.200 might maybe people in the jail at the highest level know but you don't want the ceos and everybody

00:20:28.960 else knowing because you don't know who might might leak it so that's why it's like um these are some

00:20:32.960 of the issues you go into when you have undercovers um in certain capacities because they can definitely

00:20:39.040 get you know put in bad spots so you said you had like 10 to 20 informants working for you at any

00:20:45.440 time yeah real shit did you ever have them get found out and like popped by the gang or like you

00:20:50.800 know surely if you get discovered as an informant it's a wrap that's a good question um maybe you

00:20:54.800 can't say no no no no i could say uh so i've never had them get made that they worked for me but

00:21:00.240 definitely they've been uh you know people think that they're informants you know like when you're

00:21:04.720 dealing with criminals one thing about them is they're all paranoid dude they think everybody's a source

00:21:08.640 they think everybody's a narc so um they'll employ tests here and there to try to see if your guy you

00:21:14.560 know works for the police or if i introduce an undercover they'll try to see if he's the police

00:21:19.280 and they'll put on like little stupid tests so um but i've never luckily i've never had a guy get

00:21:24.240 made to the point where uh he got hurt or anything like that so that's that's good but it is a very real

00:21:29.600 risk that you run into i mean i remember being out on surveillance and we're buying guns from dudes

00:21:35.280 right and uh you know my source is like wearing a wire or whatever it may be and i'm just like in

00:21:40.000 my head like i pray to god like they don't see um they don't see the wire or that yeah i could hear

00:21:44.560 everything going on like in a van like literally like a movie like you're outside in a van yes so

00:21:48.800 you're so so i remember i'll never forget this so we were doing a deal right with some uh with some

00:21:54.080 some crooks from san antonio one time right and we're in this small little rinky dink town

00:21:57.760 uh you know in between laredo texas and san antonio and we're doing this deal to get some uh

00:22:04.480 ak-47s and some rifles from these dudes and my source is in there doing a deal talking with them and

00:22:10.240 you know they're speaking spanish right they're the mexican and i'm listening to the thing and we

00:22:14.640 have a van right so i'm i'm monitoring it as a case agent with uh like i call like the you have

00:22:20.240 multiple cars so as the case age i'm the one taking the notes and seeing what's going on etc because

00:22:24.800 i'm responsible for the case then you have something called the cover team on the side

00:22:28.000 and that cover team is as close as possible to the source right and another cover was in there too

00:22:33.440 and their job is if anything goes down because they're monitoring it as well they're going to

00:22:37.680 go in their guns blazing to get them out damn so um so yeah man i mean when you're dealing with

00:22:42.960 criminals like that there's always that fear that they could get the biggest fear i always had whenever

00:22:46.880 i did these types of deals was that they would get ripped and a rip is basically when you show up

00:22:51.520 with crooks and you know there's a drug exchange or a money exchange or some kind of exchange where

00:22:55.760 a large sum of money is there and they just take the money and rot or and rob your guy so that's why

00:23:01.280 we would always like uh one way we would circumvent that when we deal with these guys especially if we

00:23:05.280 do like high kilo deals or whatever is the bad guys would meet first none of the stuff is on set

00:23:11.440 right hey you got the stuff yeah i got the stuff all right where is it it's over there i gotta go get

00:23:16.240 it okay you got your stuff all right cool feel it out and then bam then they come back with the with

00:23:20.320 the stuff and then that's when the takedown would happen or we would just let it walk we would take

00:23:23.360 the we'll take the evidence pay them the money walk let them go and that's it and if they were

00:23:28.560 driving with other people that i didn't know i would go through some kind of uh process where i would

00:23:33.840 either get them like stopped by the state and local police maybe i'd have a trooper on standby you know

00:23:37.680 stop them like 30 miles up the road so it doesn't look too familiar or when they go through the

00:23:42.000 border patrol checkpoint because you have to go through the border patrol checkpoint when you live on the

00:23:45.200 southwest border it's just natural for them to do that inspection i'd have the border patrol agents

00:23:50.000 stop them do a basic inspection oh america so this is okay let me see all ids done there i did all

00:23:55.120 right have a good day bam now i identified everybody in the vehicle damn okay so you you got to break it

00:24:00.000 down a molecular level for me because it's so interesting sure so you're talking about going

00:24:05.280 on real busts where you you take a bunch of money and you're gonna buy guns drugs whatever it is off the

00:24:10.480 bad guys yes basically and so walk me through that actual scenario so you guys you might be in a van

00:24:18.880 you're nearby you might be listening in but you the goal is for you to what catch them i mean like

00:24:26.240 you say you don't want to get ripped off right but you're bringing real money yeah to buy real dope or

00:24:30.480 whatever it is yeah and do you allow the exchange to happen completely and then you you go and get

00:24:35.600 them later because you say you you pulled those guys over and got their ids right you let them go

00:24:40.480 yeah when you like what what happened like do you go and you then just go and bust them in a bunch of

00:24:44.320 cars okay do you is that only step one like this it's just crazy like it's so so interesting to hear

00:24:50.960 it from the other side because i feel like this is the aspect of this that never really gets broken

00:24:55.360 down in popular media people especially films and tv shows they're kind of mostly concerned with like

00:25:01.120 the criminal side like criminals that get away with it but i would just love to know how that plays

00:25:05.280 out like every detail and that's a really good question all right so i'll you know you know what

00:25:10.240 we got 1300 y'all in here guys do me a favor like the video subscribe to trap low ross i will

00:25:14.000 go ahead and tell you guys exactly how an undercover operation brit is broken down yeah beginning to end

00:25:19.920 so number one you meet with your informant you meet with your undercover right you brief up the

00:25:24.560 entire team hey this is the undercover right you got a team probably of 10 to 15 agents they're going

00:25:28.560 to go out with you you got a cover team you got and a couple surveillance units right but you must

00:25:32.960 have a cover team if you're going to put send in an informant or an undercover so you brief them

00:25:37.200 up hey here are the guys we're going to meet with here the guys we're going to go ahead and uh purchase

00:25:41.520 the drugs or the guns from etc i show pictures of all the potential targets that are going to show up

00:25:45.520 to the deal so at that stage you've got you know near enough everything you know all the people

00:25:50.960 involved you know who you're sending in because we've set it up before so like maybe the undercover

00:25:55.040 was speaking with the bad guys y'all i'm going to be in town i need an ak can you hook me up

00:25:58.880 sure um uh what can you do it on thursday yes i can let's do 3 p.m cool once that deal is set right and

00:26:05.840 we made that phone call and we got it established then i start creating something called the

00:26:09.360 operations plan and i go in the operations plan i talk about um you know it's basically outlines

00:26:14.640 everything the day the time the agents that are going to be involved everyone's roles the nearest

00:26:19.520 hospital in case someone is shot or hurt um you know if we have a helicopter or a plane involved in

00:26:24.480 the surveillance their call sign everything right the vehicles that are going to be there and you have

00:26:29.600 to do this operations plan after the operations plan you do something called a briefing at that

00:26:33.680 briefing you brief up everybody that's going to be involved in the operation you don't come to

00:26:37.520 the briefing you don't do the operation so you'll have your 10 15 agents there and the undercover

00:26:42.320 you'll introduce everybody um put them in their roles and then you're going to go pick up the

00:26:46.800 informant the informant's not going to be there a lot of the times right you go pick up the informant

00:26:50.640 pat him down because he's a crook too of course and then he meets the undercover if they haven't

00:26:54.880 already met etc and then you know you wire them up all that other stuff right and you also wire up the

00:26:59.440 undercover then you go uh and then uh then they drive to the meat location you follow them and

00:27:06.640 then they go there a lot of times it's in a parking lot somewhere public whatever it may be

00:27:10.320 the the vehicle that they're in is wired up it's an undercover vehicle a lot of the times

00:27:13.920 right um so you're just you're traveling and this is quite a big operation right yeah it's quite a

00:27:18.480 big convoy yeah so how do you stay low-key when you're going along to something like that because

00:27:22.640 you if i'm there to sell someone an ak and i'm seeing three white vans and a suburban i'm i'm sure

00:27:27.920 good question so how do you stay incognito when you're going into that situation agents get there

00:27:32.320 first the undercover and the informant or whoever is like doing the the undercover capacity of the

00:27:36.720 investigation they come after so we all set up where we're supposed to meet they surround the place

00:27:41.360 and then the undercover comes in later so we we get there first but so what happens then right

00:27:46.000 because obviously you got this is the interesting thing right because the feds you have to follow all

00:27:49.920 the rules you got on operations you know manual however you set it up you've got to do everything by

00:27:54.160 the book exactly whereas a criminal if they're not feeling the vibes they'll be like if you want

00:27:59.120 to buy this ak we're going to switch the location last minute that happens a lot and so that must

00:28:03.280 your that must just you must just be scrambling at that point right so how not to get too derailed

00:28:07.920 but these details so interesting yeah no it's it's that's important because they do that all the time

00:28:11.600 they do do that so when they do do that right and they say oh we're going to switch the location or

00:28:15.440 whatever you figure out where that location is a lot of times it's like somewhere else that's public

00:28:20.080 whatever so okay cool uh i'm gonna need 30 40 minutes to get over there bam all the other units

00:28:25.040 go over there scope it out and then you know and then they pull up do they ever go and scope it out

00:28:30.320 and find like like an ambush set up or like some some fuck shit they're like oh you know let's have

00:28:36.400 the meeting at this point you guys go ahead and it's like nah this ain't right or someone else is

00:28:40.400 there or something something's messed up how do you deal with that it happens that's why it's so

00:28:43.680 important that all the surveillance units go there first and scope it out and make sure that you know

00:28:48.000 they're not trying to set it up for a rip or whatever may be like that so um so then once

00:28:52.080 you once you um set up at that location whether it's the first one that they agreed upon or a

00:28:56.320 second one that they try to spring on you um you sit there and you wait and then they do the exchange

00:29:01.520 and you're listening in and you're and you're gathering your evidence right so everything is

00:29:04.640 recorded in there now here's the difference between the feds and the state when the feds do these

00:29:09.360 types of operations excuse me when the state does these types of operations it's typically a buy bust

00:29:13.760 well that's cool and all but they're not going to get the significant amount of time and you're not

00:29:18.080 going to be able to build up the conspiracy to the same level as if you let them go because what

00:29:22.320 happens is you do two three four five of these deals they start to do what they start to trust you

00:29:28.320 and then when they start to trust you and you're coming in with money we're spending thousands of

00:29:31.680 dollars with these idiots right buying guns and drugs from them all the time they start and we start

00:29:36.080 what we do is we start asking for higher quantities we start asking for more sophisticated weapons

00:29:40.240 right then we can start getting into it hey we want some grenades hey can you guys hook us up with

00:29:44.800 half a kilo of meth etc and we go and and obviously these guys aren't the ones that are able to

00:29:49.680 facilitate that right oh let me introduce you to this guy let me introduce you to this guy or a lot of

00:29:54.480 the time since a lot of these crooks don't want to lose the money okay i'll get it for you so i know

00:29:59.920 you know you're a mid-level guy you don't have the ability to gather these weapons for me so i'll go

00:30:03.600 and look and do a phone you know subpoena on and look at their toll records and i'll see who the hell

00:30:07.920 they called right after the deal with my undercover that is more than likely the source of supply from

00:30:12.480 which they're going to get the stuff that they're going to talk about for the next one nailed them

00:30:15.840 yep so okay next couple questions next couple questions what is the biggest or most extreme

00:30:23.840 buy if you can say that you've done in both weapons craziest weapon that you've tried to get

00:30:28.640 your hands on and biggest amount of dope that you know you you would put on a bus like you would say

00:30:34.240 we need this amount or whatever it is like how how what levels do you guys go to so you want to

00:30:40.640 stay away and this is i guess a misconception that the movies get wrong all the time when you're the

00:30:44.880 feds right you don't want to go in there buying kilos right you typically start with buying a few

00:30:50.560 grams and ounces and you want to keep it at that ounce level and i'll tell you why here in a second

00:30:54.240 but you want to build up uh buying small quantities and go into the higher quantities and the reason why

00:30:59.920 you don't want to buy kilos is because once you start buying kilos this is where we're talking

00:31:03.200 about 10 20 30 40 000 dollars depending on the drug right like a kilo of meth can go somewhere

00:31:07.760 between 10 to 20k kilo cocaine around 20 to 30k depending on where you're at i was on the southwest

00:31:14.000 border so it was typically around 25 to 30 000 um heroin can be 20 you know 10 to 20 000 so obviously the

00:31:21.760 government doesn't have money like that you can't be out here just buying drugs all day that's stupid

00:31:25.600 but what you do do is you do these drug deals to identify other members of the organization and

00:31:30.720 work your way up and get and you do these operations so you can go ahead and exploit telephones

00:31:35.440 right whether it's you're doing um talent three intercepts you're getting certain you're getting

00:31:40.000 probable cause to do search warrants etc uh you're getting your informant more involved into the

00:31:43.840 criminal organization because when you're spending money they're like oh and they'll start to build trust

00:31:48.160 so um as far as like buying drugs i never bought more than a few ounces at a time and the reason

00:31:55.840 why is because it defeats the purpose right and especially what i was buying i was buying meth i

00:32:00.560 was buying uh and the thing is too with with methamphetamine uh meth has very strict sentencing

00:32:07.200 guidelines and the method i was buying was 90 plus pure so uh in the feds anything over 80 is

00:32:13.840 considered pure and that gives you way higher sentencing guidelines so if i went ahead and bought

00:32:18.960 a kilo of meth versus buying an ounce of meth and it's 90 pure well why would i go ahead and buy

00:32:24.240 more and spend more money like an idiot versus i could just get a couple ounces to get the evidence

00:32:27.360 that i need and still at the same time move up the totem pole so it's about being intelligent so

00:32:31.360 that you don't spend too much money doing stupid stuff because you have a finite amount of money

00:32:35.280 for your operation damn that's crazy man yeah that's crazy budgeting budgeting my criminal activity

00:32:41.120 guys so you're going in there and you're you're getting people to come through with you know

00:32:46.480 meth guns you're building a case so you're saying in a lot of cases you let them go right yeah but

00:32:52.480 you're building it up to that point so let's say you're in a situation where you know you buy i don't

00:32:55.600 know a few ounces off somebody a few guns off somebody you're building it up but then at what

00:32:58.800 point do you guys go okay now it's time we're going to swoop in and get them do you catch them in

00:33:02.400 the act or at that point you've built all the evidence you just come and kick in their door and take

00:33:05.920 them away uh so that really comes down to a tactical strategy so it depends on kind of the level of

00:33:10.320 danger of the targets you're investigating right so like if you know that these are really bad dudes

00:33:14.240 well it might be better for you to get them at six o'clock in the morning with a swat team when

00:33:17.920 with you know when they're in their pajamas um or if you know that you don't necessarily know where

00:33:23.280 they live they move a lot and you know they're all over the place then maybe it's better to bust

00:33:27.840 them at the end of an operation so it depends on your target their living style danger all these

00:33:32.480 things kind of come into equation um for me i would typically just send a swat team in and get

00:33:38.240 them at six in the morning once i had my arrest warrants like i wasn't one of these guys that

00:33:41.120 was like oh i want to kick in the door and we call them taco berries uh guys that like always want to

00:33:45.520 be involved in in kicking down doors also the shit like me i was more concerned with like building big

00:33:49.760 cases like i was what you would consider a strong case agent and uh there's different types of agents

00:33:54.320 you got your guys that like like to do the tech stuff right they just more of a support angle

00:33:58.560 right then they do that like full-time you got your guys that are computer forensics guys that just analyze

00:34:03.040 you know evidence on on uh on computers a lot of times it's child pornography right they're

00:34:08.800 they're getting that evidence and analyzing and doing the forensics finding evidence for you

00:34:12.560 um you got agents that do outreach and other bullshit like that you got agents that do

00:34:17.600 swat team stuff that all they do is just kicking doors and then you got guys like me that are like

00:34:21.120 i i build strong cases i like when they go and do a press release on an investigation right and it's

00:34:26.240 like the office's biggest case that's my shit that's what i like doing because that gets you the most

00:34:30.240 respect in the office by far right i was always really big on doing big um complex organized

00:34:36.800 conspiracy cases with multiple defendants multiple crimes um multiple jurisdictions multiple countries

00:34:42.720 so that's what i was always interested in doing not necessarily doing all this admin

00:34:45.920 bullshit i cared about doing big cases so let me just rewind for a second right a minute ago

00:34:51.840 you said when you go and do these busts okay you have these support vehicles everybody's kind

00:34:56.800 of watching and listening in for if shit goes left of course going guns blazing yeah can you tell me

00:35:01.440 about a time when shit went left and guns had the blaze uh i'm trying to think here where we um

00:35:07.920 extracted somebody luckily on my operations it's never happened uh none of my operations ever happened but i

00:35:15.600 do know like a year ago or a year and a half ago um there was a shooting here in miami uh with with

00:35:23.360 homeland security my my old agency uh and i think it was coral gables or something like that not too

00:35:28.800 far from here and it was our financial group that shot i think i know who the agent is that did that

00:35:33.280 shot him uh but yeah but but luckily for me none of my operations have ever had something like that

00:35:38.960 happen dude you don't want that because then if someone gets shot or someone gets killed or whatever

00:35:43.440 bam now opr office of professional responsibility is going to get involved then you got the um

00:35:48.400 um the uh probably the fdle here in florida uh florida department of law enforcement um they're

00:35:54.480 going to come in and do an investigation right it's like fuck man so it you you never want that stuff to

00:36:00.320 happen so thank god like none of my operations ever went left where someone was hurt or we had to

00:36:04.000 actually like use some kind of force to get an informant or an undercover out and i was able to do

00:36:08.240 that because i had really good informants like um even though a lot of them were shitbags uh i had really

00:36:13.760 good informants that like you know they dealt they were in the game and when they introduced my

00:36:17.840 undercover they did it in such a seamless way where they the crooks a lot of times didn't even

00:36:22.000 really suspect it too much damn okay let me switch gears yeah sure so with everything you know

00:36:28.160 everything i know for entertainment purposes only yeah what would be the best way to get away with

00:36:34.800 some crimes um or like what what is some shit that that own not only an insider would know but just like

00:36:43.280 like for me for example i often say in interviews and in some of my stuff it's like

00:36:47.680 yo rappers don't don't rap about the crime specifically don't put in your lyrics

00:36:53.680 we shot this guy this time yeah all this stuff you know recently you got so many people getting

00:36:58.240 indicted you got these rico cases you got young thug young an artist as big as young thug a billboard

00:37:03.120 chart-topping artist talking about we shot at his mom yeah and the dude's mom actually got shot yeah

00:37:08.320 you know what i mean so it's like to me that one's common sense yeah but i'm always just curious to know

00:37:13.680 like what what could or what would a smart criminal do to at least not end up doing go in the self

00:37:21.200 snitching route you know what i mean because for me it's it is simple but it's stuff like look don't

00:37:25.600 rap about the specifics of a crime in the song i and i always think a lot of rap music drill music

00:37:30.160 is better if you can kind of allude to crimes going on without being too specific you know what i mean i

00:37:35.120 think i don't think there's necessarily that many props in talking about the specifics of a crime

00:37:39.440 but i would just be curious to know even like in the modern day because it seems like everything's

00:37:42.480 technological now yeah it's so hard to get away with crimes or to conceal things you've got the

00:37:46.800 ymw melly case yeah where there's you know he's saying oh you know the ops pulled up and shot up

00:37:51.040 the car and they're like well we checked the gps and that didn't happen yeah exactly like that's a

00:37:55.280 nope um so so uh what crime are you specifically do you are you asking we get away with because

00:37:59.840 obviously that will change your strategy significantly depending on the crime well let's go through the

00:38:03.120 let's go through the most obvious and the most the most uh glorified crimes in the game let's say

00:38:09.120 murder i need to kill it up okay i got big there's a big op right okay he's been causing me all kind

00:38:14.560 of problems yeah okay for months big up i need to trap geek i need to trap me and me and trap geek are

00:38:20.080 in the same gang we're gonna me and trap the same me and trap geek we're gonna slide on hip-hop daily

00:38:24.000 okay we said we had it with hip-hop daily right we're ready to slide but we're not trying to do any

00:38:28.800 time okay we're in the rico me and him are conspiring yeah right what what could we do

00:38:33.200 for entertainment hypothetically of course guys in the modern day okay if you apply because you

00:38:38.960 cover you cover a lot of serial killer stuff too right yeah i do and like i'm not trying to do any

00:38:43.200 serial killings yeah but like what would be the smartest way to do that we could talk about why

00:38:47.600 serial killers got away the most prolific you know your ted bundy's your john wayne gacy's zodiac killers

00:38:52.960 um night stalkers etc a lot of these guys were able to like operate for as long as they did because um a

00:38:58.720 couple reasons uh number one law enforcement wasn't refined back then where they were sharing

00:39:02.800 information there wasn't uh centralized computer data systems where you could share information

00:39:06.480 like today um they didn't have phone technology to be able to like uh triangulate where a person's

00:39:12.960 geolocation was at a given particular time um dna was not something that actually came out until i

00:39:19.360 want to say around 1987 and they didn't actually formally start using it in trial to convict people

00:39:23.920 until the 90s right i think the first dna conviction was 1987 but they didn't actually refine it

00:39:28.080 and use it until the 90s um and into the 2000s um so all these different uh and then also the

00:39:35.120 people are going to laugh at this but the emergence of the interstate highway interstate highway system

00:39:39.200 also led to uh serial killers being able to get away with it because if you commit a crime in a rinky

00:39:44.400 dink town next day you could be in another state thanks to the interstate highway system so this like

00:39:50.240 ted bundy for example murdered women in like seven different states um samuel little who has 93 kills

00:39:56.480 killed women in like 10 different states and they were able to elude law enforcement a lot of times

00:40:00.480 by just being mobile and using the interstate highway system to to get around um so that's how

00:40:06.000 those criminals were able to get by but if we're going to go murder right you want to slide on okay

00:40:09.520 okay so so let me let me glean from the amazing information you've given me so far okay so when me

00:40:14.240 and trap geek slide yeah okay on hip-hop daily we can't take our phones on the drill so we're

00:40:18.400 leaving our phones at home absolutely okay you got to leave them there dna so we need to wear gloves

00:40:24.480 yeah probably a mask because as we say in london no face no case exactly so you got mask up glove up

00:40:30.560 no phone how are we gonna get there though i feel like the vehicle if you tying yourself to a vehicle

00:40:35.920 is always always a way to get got so you know what's funny uh i i did a whole podcast on this

00:40:40.800 there's a book out there called hitman a general contractor's uh yeah yeah it's like a manual it's a

00:40:46.240 manual i have it somewhere i have it somewhere in the house maybe i'll go run and get it real quick

00:40:50.800 but there's a book that actually teaches you how to do a hit and this book came out like in the 80s

00:40:55.200 or 90s or something like that and this one criminal actually followed it to a tee and he

00:41:00.240 almost got away with it but then the police did a search warrant at his house found this book and a

00:41:03.760 lot of the things that yeah i know bro a lot of the crimes right a lot of the steps that he had taken

00:41:09.680 were in the book right so and one of the steps was actually to use a rental vehicle to uh to commit

00:41:16.320 the crime and park the rental vehicle far away from the area and then leave on foot and then go

00:41:20.400 pick up your car somewhere else and drive out so well the rent see this is the thing with the rental

00:41:24.480 vehicle that can lead you to the crime we're seeing the young thug situation is looking like the rental

00:41:29.120 is what's gotten him into it yeah so i would and back then they didn't take as much you know um

00:41:34.320 i guess stake in your rental car so i would never uh you definitely don't want a rental car

00:41:38.080 i would say get a stolen vehicle this is what they do in the i don't know if you ever heard the phrase

00:41:42.160 dinger but in the uk we got a phrase called a dinger which is like you know a dinged up shitty

00:41:46.160 car that's stolen yeah where if you're going to do a drill you do it in a dinger that's what you

00:41:49.680 slide absolutely but that's the thing where you're going to get a stolen car do you steal the car

00:41:53.600 yourself because now you're racking up several crimes yeah to commit the headline yeah to prepare

00:41:57.840 yeah so you essentially you need a stolen vehicle i would say a stolen vehicle will work i mean it

00:42:03.040 depends if they're not far bro use a bike i know that sounds crazy but like use a bicycle that's the

00:42:09.920 thing because that's the difference right because a bicycle you're not dealing with a license plate

00:42:14.480 it's not easily trackable there's no electronics in there i mean i tell you what like you say with

00:42:19.280 the interstate highway because in london crime has recently been revolutionized by the introduction

00:42:24.560 of the electric scooter oh yeah they apparently the met police were saying that the electric scooters

00:42:30.400 have got criminals working overtime because they can zip over here do a quick crime i mean you've been

00:42:34.240 to london recently right it's like it's quite a small place it's wild mostly public transport and

00:42:38.480 like you can get around do all your all sorts of crimes all over town on the scooter yeah so that's

00:42:43.120 one way of doing it too yeah you want to you definitely i would say when it comes to transportation

00:42:46.480 because like there's so many different ways and it depends on how how far your your target is i guess

00:42:51.360 um but i guess the general rule of thumb is you want to use a mode of transportation that can't

00:42:56.240 necessarily easily link you back and unfortunately vehicles can rental cars can um and then also so let's

00:43:02.720 say you figure out your mode of transportation that doesn't necessarily uh have a trace back to you as

00:43:07.360 much uh the next thing is you got to actually do the drill right so um if we're gonna if you're

00:43:11.760 gonna use guns uh you better take out that barrel after you're done and get rid of that weapon after

00:43:16.320 that's what i would say because after it anytime you shoot a weapon right which i know in london you

00:43:20.800 guys don't have guns but let's assume that you guys did have guns right uh basically what happens

00:43:25.120 is when that bullet goes through that barrel it creates uh that barrel gives that bullet a certain

00:43:30.560 fingerprint it gives it certain swirls that are unique to that barrel so that's how when they do ballistics

00:43:35.200 they're able to figure out oh well these bullets were fired out of the same gun because the same

00:43:39.040 groove pattern so it's quite literally a fingerprint for the bullet that identifies that gun so um so i

00:43:45.440 would obviously take apart the gun completely get rid of that barrel because that's going to be the

00:43:49.760 most important thing and then uh throw it all over the place like throw different parts of the gun all

00:43:54.160 over the place and get rid of the weapons it it always amazes me how people um keep uh keep the weapons

00:44:00.400 and then also um it's much harder for prosecutors to solve a case when they don't have the body

00:44:05.840 because when they have the body they're able to identify how the person was murdered which will

00:44:10.400 give them clues um you know time of death all that stuff so um getting rid of the body is obviously

00:44:15.440 you know important too if you're going to be a crook another another big people are writing notes

00:44:19.920 right now okay hold on wait what did you say ah chris is like i got a couple of people i don't like

00:44:25.520 it's a it's a bad day for the ops man it's over for the ops so what's that new glock who this

00:44:31.680 yeah so it's okay so another thing i hear about a lot in songs right and this is a hilarious this is

00:44:36.560 one of the most hilarious lyrics that i can even remember yeah who shysty has a lyric where he says

00:44:40.720 my my chop has got a shell catcher we don't leave clues coming from a man that left quite a lot of clues

00:44:47.200 but the shell casings yeah that's bad news leaving those behind right yes because that is how they're

00:44:53.040 going to be able if they do find the gun they'll be able to match up the shell casings

00:44:56.720 with the the barrel of the gun and be able to say conclusively these bullets were fired from this

00:45:01.280 gun because every gun barrel has a very distinctive groove pattern am i right in thinking that revolvers

00:45:06.880 don't leave shell casings uh they don't eject them yeah they don't eject them yeah got it but the

00:45:12.800 problem with revolvers even though they're fantastic guns from like a reliability standpoint they don't

00:45:16.960 jam etc they've stood the test of time uh you only get six bullets so you know you better be

00:45:21.520 pretty damn accurate and you gotta reload those manually yeah yeah actually yeah that's trash

00:45:25.920 actually matter of fact the revolver used to be the main gun that law enforcement agencies

00:45:30.320 the united states use but after i want to say 1986 the fbi got in a huge shootout here in miami

00:45:36.560 actually i did a whole case on if y'all want to go check it out the fbi uh shootout and i think it

00:45:40.160 was 1986 where the dudes were using rifles and guns and semi-automatic pistols and they killed a bunch

00:45:46.000 of agents and that's when they realized holy crap we need to give our law enforcement officers

00:45:50.000 guns with better stopping power and that's when most agencies switched over to semi-automatic handguns

00:45:54.160 that allowed them to have higher magazine capacities jeez that's super interesting yeah and they

00:45:58.080 started getting them like you know ar-15s etc because the two guys that they were following

00:46:02.320 one of them was an army ranger and the other guy had some some other military experience so um those

00:46:07.600 guys not only were trained to operate that weaponry they were trained to attack the threat versus like

00:46:13.600 law enforcement teaches you more along the lines of like how to uh you know more defensive shooting how to

00:46:18.400 get rid of a threat when they come at you these guys were pressing upon them and they had superior

00:46:22.560 firepower to be able to push on them because they were like fighting um out in the street hiding behind

00:46:27.520 cars and stuff like that and they just have revolvers you can't compete with a fucking machine gun

00:46:31.360 when they have revolvers so that's what kind of made law enforcement uh switch handguns some higher

00:46:35.600 capacity magazine guns and also they started giving them ar shotguns uh uzis or excuse me mp5s american

00:46:43.360 cops are like this crazy loadout these days bro i see i see the dude at the airport and it's just some

00:46:47.520 call of duty yeah it's nuts so you said a minute ago the best the best crime for entertainment

00:46:53.200 purposes only of course but the best crime where there's no body so that immediately makes me think

00:46:58.080 breaking bad barrel full of acid but i feel like that's just some movie yeah right like what uh

00:47:04.480 what what i mean i mean i don't know from like cases that you've looked into or covered or been

00:47:08.480 involved in yeah like what are the situations where a body is turned up unexpectedly i mean i'm thinking of

00:47:14.320 like there was a case where i think it was linked to like gs9 in new york where they the guy floated

00:47:19.840 up yes on a beach she was like an associate bobby schmidt i remember i know what you're talking about

00:47:24.320 apparently that's actually not that's more from the movies like people don't really be doing the

00:47:27.920 cement shoes but i don't know like what even just like situations where a body is turned up and got

00:47:34.000 somebody caught where maybe it shouldn't have anything you know in that department um yeah i mean a lot

00:47:38.960 of the time uh with with serial killer murders right like right they'll they'll dump the body

00:47:44.160 somewhere hoping that no one finds it but they actually do um you know um like the green river

00:47:50.000 killer out there in washington state uh they found a bunch of the bodies in like rural areas like right

00:47:55.200 right by the river and that's why they call them the green river killers because they they found the

00:47:58.560 bodies right by that green river um but that you know that's just them being sloppy right because like

00:48:03.600 the issue a lot of these dudes is like they were into necrophilia so they would come back and like

00:48:07.680 yeah yeah they would come back and like look at the bodies and do their weird shit ted bunny used

00:48:11.360 to do this too so um i guess their strange sexual urges overrode any type of rational thought as to

00:48:18.800 how to get away with the murder and and and the thing is that they had the advantage that a lot of

00:48:23.040 serial killers have is that like there's no real clear link between them and the victims most of the

00:48:27.120 time the victim typically just fits some kind of mold that they like and and it was just like a

00:48:31.520 random encounter where they found them and they're able to kill them which is very hard to detect motive

00:48:36.080 but um but yeah you guys i would say getting rid of the weapon and getting rid of them uh the body

00:48:40.800 are critical components to avoid getting caught for sure that's crazy man so okay and not having a

00:48:46.800 phone like like y w melly for example he is fucked because they have the phones like i know and here's

00:48:52.320 i know somebody on the choke oh my god free melly whatever guys i had to say bro they just put the

00:48:56.000 death penalty back on the table there is no way he's beating that case see that's a really interesting

00:49:00.320 case because it kind of touches on several other things we've just said right because it's like you got the

00:49:03.760 phone gps got him and then also they put the bodies back in the car and drove them to the hospital right

00:49:08.800 so the bodies are there yep and then they did the forensic analysis on the bodies and said a lot of

00:49:12.400 the shots came from inside the car exactly and then they found one of the shell casings what was it like

00:49:16.640 inside the car in a plastic bag in the back left seat where melly was sitting they found the shell casing

00:49:21.360 there and the other thing too as well is that um they were able to like look at their wound patterns

00:49:26.640 and they saw like wait the way they were shot the way their injuries are there is no way that they got shot

00:49:31.840 from a vehicle passing by like because because the bullet holes on the side of the car that million

00:49:36.400 is and portland shot into the vehicle to try to create this illusion they hit with a shot um with

00:49:41.200 the drive-by didn't match up with the wound patterns of the victims so that's how the police were able

00:49:45.120 to quickly be like yo no they were shot from inside and also the bodies had something called stipeling on

00:49:50.160 them and stipeling is a burn mark anytime you're shot at damn near close range so that's an indicator

00:49:55.760 and it's like a little burn like a brown thing on the on the neck i think when they shot

00:50:00.160 their friends and uh that's how they knew it was a close range damn near like execution kill shot

00:50:05.280 as well and it wasn't a drive-by what do you think happened in that melee situation just like

00:50:09.360 just speculation like what do you think went down because for me sometimes i think about that and

00:50:13.600 it's like the thing a lot of people wonder about this thing i do too and it's like i've seen a lot of

00:50:18.960 you know before it went down i was a fan of him and i you know seen a lot of footage of him with his

00:50:23.200 with his guys that ended up dying and you just think like why would he do that and often i wonder

00:50:28.160 whether it was a genuine mistake because you always see him toting guns yeah showing guns to

00:50:32.880 the camera running around with guns drugs drink alcohol weed it's not unthinkable that he was just

00:50:40.560 high in the back of the car and just squeeze the trigger too hard and yeah

00:50:43.600 fucked up and then just scrambled to try and fix it but at the same time there could be a lot more

00:50:48.320 to the story between their personal relationship but in your opinion like as an agent and also just

00:50:53.600 somebody with an interest in music like what would you just speak pure speculation of like what you

00:50:57.760 think went down that day so what what i think happened um and then this is a really like

00:51:02.320 interesting case right uh because you got you know a hip-hop artist who was literally at like the peak

00:51:08.320 yeah right and and just and now he's facing the worst charge ever and he's looking at the death penalty

00:51:14.160 so what i think happened is is this they left the music studio right and then they went to the secluded

00:51:20.240 area and it's very obvious right that the fire the shots were fired from you know inside the vehicle

00:51:26.080 right you find a shell casing in there you got stifling you see the wound patterns are indicative

00:51:29.920 of more of a close range shot so he shoots the two i think an argument potentially ensued

00:51:35.200 or they had planned it shot them killed them right and then they're like damn what are we going to do with

00:51:41.760 the bodies and that's when they devised this stupid idea or maybe they had a device before

00:51:48.000 where they're going to shoot into the vehicle and be okay but the problem is that millie didn't

00:51:52.720 realize that not only were they going to match up the ballistics and the bullet holes and the wound

00:51:57.200 patterns but also his phone is you know the nail in the coffin because the phone they were able to

00:52:04.080 pinpoint that he stepped out the vehicle walked around and shot into it to be able to create this

00:52:09.520 illusion and they have it like point by point where you can't refute cell phone geolocation data you

00:52:15.520 know um so that's what's going to end up sinking him is that like and the other thing too is that

00:52:20.320 they gave statements to the police that completely contradict the hard evidence that you cannot

00:52:25.840 refute like it completely doesn't make sense so that also you know goes into showing them trying to

00:52:31.760 decept the police um and then only i think the biggest thing was people were like what's the motive

00:52:36.080 what's the motive well we know um one of them had a financial dispute with meli and i know meli's

00:52:41.440 mother had a dispute with one of them as well so i mean that could have been a motive as well i think

00:52:46.160 the prosecutors have been investigating and they figured out there was something around like 500

00:52:49.520 000 or something like that that there was um some arguments about but um yeah i mean that's what i

00:52:56.320 speculate happen is they they they killed them in that random area because the area they killed them

00:53:00.000 too it's not too far from here it's like 20 30 minutes from here it's the middle of nowhere bro it's

00:53:03.120 crazy in miramar so in your opinion going back to what we were saying a minute ago getting away with

00:53:07.200 a crime obviously i don't mean to disrespect anybody obviously you know rest in peace to the

00:53:11.680 people that lost their lives in that situation of course but in light of what we've just discussed

00:53:16.160 as far as like getting away with crimes let's say you put yourself in meli's chutes yeah right and

00:53:20.720 you wanted to do this and essentially you know that moment after they shot up the car from the inside

00:53:25.040 let's say they hatched this plan we're going to shoot with the car we're going to send bortland to

00:53:28.720 the hospital with the bodies meli just left like yeah and like what what i mean i realistically i'm

00:53:36.080 just going to come around and say like what could they have done to get away with it well for one

00:53:40.320 not have their phones um they also up bortland's up by speaking to the police um and then also a

00:53:46.640 lot of meli's friends got caught in lies for him i think fredo bang lied on his behalf and said no

00:53:50.960 he was with me when in reality he wasn't or so or someone said that meli was in their car driving

00:53:56.080 with them to a certain location but when they actually looked at the phone location data of that

00:53:59.440 individual it did not coincide with meli's phone so that's how they knew that that individual

00:54:04.080 was lying and he meli was not actually in the vehicle with him so um so i would say not having

00:54:09.520 phones with you when you commit a crime like that is very important number two not even speaking to

00:54:14.400 the police at all not giving a statement because what happens is when you give a statement now they

00:54:17.680 got you on a story and then they go back to the forensic evidence they go back to the phone location

00:54:21.680 data they go back to the uh ballistics etc and they figure out okay this is a lie and then automatically

00:54:28.640 they're like wait hold on that means you're probably the shooter because you you lied like

00:54:32.560 ridiculously well i feel like it's funny because it's almost like speaking to the police is

00:54:36.480 generally considered extremely suspicious in you know i guess i don't know better way to put it

00:54:41.520 like pseudo criminal circles you know meli claimed himself to be a gang member right yeah so it's

00:54:47.600 almost unusual that they would go to the hospital and suddenly want to talk to the cops right yeah

00:54:51.280 that that almost in itself is a little bit i don't think meli gave the police a statement but

00:54:55.040 portland did and that's what kind of made everything like not make sense it seems like really like you

00:55:00.000 say you know the phones you just cooked yeah the phones the phones got them dead to rights dude

00:55:05.520 because you can't you can't argue that you literally cannot refute that and then all the ballistic

00:55:09.840 evidence lines up with uh with what the police theorize and it's this is this is uh the ymle case

00:55:16.400 is a perfect example of circumstantial evidence working in tandem together to build a picture right so

00:55:22.640 if you got one piece of evidence okay he was here at this time with the phone right that's not that

00:55:27.120 strong but then you add in the bullet casing in the back you add in the fact that they found glass

00:55:32.800 shards from that same vehicle at that location after the fact that proves that they were there

00:55:37.040 alongside the phone evidence you look at the wound patterns of uh how they were shot the stipling where

00:55:41.760 it was proven it was um you know close range uh how the shots that went into the vehicle from this

00:55:47.360 alleged drive-by didn't match up all these little pieces of circumstantial evidence paint a story where

00:55:52.240 it could not have been anything else but what the police are theorizing which is why their case is

00:55:57.680 so strong because even though they don't have the murder weapon you know even though uh they don't

00:56:01.520 have a confession and they don't have like hard hard proof they have a significant amount of

00:56:05.920 circumstantial evidence that paints the picture for them and the beauty is is that this circumstantial

00:56:09.680 evidence is rooted in in uh in uh i guess evidence right not to be sound redundant here that can't

00:56:16.400 really be disputed you can't dispute wound patterns you can't dispute geolocation data you can't dispute um

00:56:21.680 um uh bullet trajectories right you can't dispute um methods of dying wound patterns of stifling you

00:56:27.520 can't you can't right even though they go to a place and give a whole other story you can't refute

00:56:32.000 it so that's that's what makes the case so strong is that it's circumstantial evidence working perfectly

00:56:36.400 uh together to paint a picture man it's a crazy case you know he's been sat down i think for four

00:56:42.720 years now yeah dude it's crazy i hope he gets a trial soon i want to die i want to know one way or the

00:56:47.120 other yeah it's insane but speaking of trials i know we spoke about it briefly off camera sure

00:56:53.760 they got the top g they do get the top g that was not the news i was expecting to finish off the year

00:56:59.360 with you know tate got arrested i just don't know what to think there's been a lot of misinformation

00:57:05.600 about it you seem very informed on the situation i think maybe you've already spoken on this on camera

00:57:10.000 yeah but i don't know if there's a way maybe you could break down to me some of what you were saying

00:57:13.200 about you know what he's dealing with and maybe like what he's up against and and you know what

00:57:18.400 the people can expect maybe yeah so i got this information directly from like a romanian police

00:57:22.880 officer and like how they do things and it's a very different world over there in romania versus

00:57:27.600 united states and essentially they got a search warrant right and when they get a search warrant

00:57:33.440 it grants the police a period of 24 hours to detain the people that are behind that are that are

00:57:38.880 alleged to be behind the crimes and in that 24 hours right the prosecutor and the police

00:57:44.160 against the 24 hours they have to go ahead and gather evidence so if they gather evidence within

00:57:49.120 that 24 hours right um that they think is sufficient they present to the judge and they say hey we need

00:57:55.360 this person detained for 30 days right um and in this case right a lot of people like oh they must have

00:58:02.000 followed something that's why they're detaining andrew blah blah blah well that could be a part of it but

00:58:06.400 you guys also got to remember that according to you know social media how the police view things

00:58:11.600 whatever they look at andrew as a flight risk he has a lot of money he's famous he has multiple

00:58:16.320 passports etc he is the perfect example of someone that the government can argue oh we need him behind

00:58:22.480 bars because he can run also they're scared that he might influence witnesses that's another thing too

00:58:27.200 as well why they're like oh we don't want him out so all these people that are saying oh he's guilty

00:58:31.280 he's guilty they're holding him for 30 days blah blah you guys got to understand that a big part

00:58:34.480 of the reason why they're holding him isn't necessarily the evidence it's because of who he

00:58:37.920 is right which is kind of fucked up to be honest with y'all but they're looking at it like he could

00:58:42.880 flee at any time he has another home in dubai in the uae in dubai so i think his status and his income

00:58:48.560 and his uh accessibility to passports is the real reason why they're holding him not necessarily that

00:58:53.360 they have solid evidence against them because i mean i spent a significant amount of time with tristan

00:58:57.920 and andrew and they're the furthest thing from human smugglers human traffickers i mean you know

00:59:04.240 uh when we would have our when we had parties and everything like that and girls would come

00:59:07.760 and show up or whatever i remember there were girls that like were very rude weren't polite annoying as

00:59:13.200 hell and uh and they were rude to tristan right even though it was there's at his house hanging out

00:59:18.400 there he still went out of his way to get them a driver home to get the maneuver he'd give them cash to get

00:59:23.600 a taxi like he ensured every girl actually got home so in my head i'm like all right so you're

00:59:28.000 telling me that he's running a human trafficking organization but he's over here going out of his

00:59:32.320 way to make sure that women get home safe and then on top of that none of these allegations ever came

00:59:36.480 out before when they had 75 plus models and were running like an entire webcam industry but now you

00:59:40.720 want to tell me 10 years after the fact when they've significantly downsized their um webcam slash only

00:59:46.320 fans operation that girls want to come forward now it doesn't make sense so why pick now right to

00:59:51.920 come out and say this stuff when i know they significantly downsize that portion of their

00:59:54.640 business like they don't do the webcamming stuff like that anymore they have a couple

00:59:57.520 models that work for them but they know them they've been with them for years so that is what also had

01:00:02.480 me like this is this is some bullshit and i think when you are someone like andrew that is outspoken

01:00:10.800 sharp intelligent knows how the world really works etc and you go against the grain of what people

01:00:17.120 say do and believe well you're going to build a lot of enemies um and quite frankly a lot of

01:00:22.000 people are jealous of them and his success right this is why all these people run around and say

01:00:25.920 fake alpha male toxic masculinity blah blah blah i've never once heard uh andrew referred to himself

01:00:31.600 as alpha male right so it's or tristan but uh but that's what i think is that's kind of what's going

01:00:38.080 on is they're being held more along the lines of because of their status versus like real evidence

01:00:43.520 something i want to ask you about this specifically yeah i believe one of the uh

01:00:50.080 women making allegations against him or a woman included in the case is an american woman right

01:00:55.440 yes and it was the same situation where it was he you know the he got his house raided before

01:01:00.400 i could tell you the story on that one well that's not so much i'd definitely be interested

01:01:03.840 in hearing that but i just wanted to ask you specifically do you think because like you say

01:01:08.720 there's a lot of hate against him you know i want to see where the case goes could they try

01:01:12.320 and extradite him to the u.s somehow for this with a human trafficking with an american woman

01:01:16.080 involved do you think that's the play no not at all because yeah because um because she wasn't

01:01:21.920 trafficked so uh so i'll tell you guys the facts on that one real quick and then we can go into the

01:01:25.600 united states potentially being involved um that girl right basically was there at a party and they

01:01:32.080 have her on footage right they have like 20 girls at the house and and they had like a house party

01:01:36.720 and that girl was just there at the house her boyfriend sees her at the tate's house hey what

01:01:43.120 are you doing over there blah blah her in a panic oh shit instead of admitting that like yo you're

01:01:48.880 probably cheating or doing something that you shouldn't be doing that your boyfriend doesn't

01:01:52.320 want you to do she goes and says oh i'm forced to be here i didn't want i didn't want to be here

01:01:57.360 i'm here against my will right so the boyfriend instead of you know thinking logically and rashly like

01:02:02.960 all right maybe maybe she's just lying to me whatever he calls the embassy and the embassy

01:02:07.280 right gets this information u.s citizen being held against their will by the famous state brothers of

01:02:12.080 course they're gonna oh this is a press headline let's do something about this so they call the

01:02:16.160 romanians hey we need you to go search this house blah blah we got information that there's an american

01:02:20.320 woman being held there well of course the romanian romanians are going to listen to what them

01:02:24.400 what the americans request right so they go and they search the house they find out none of the girls are

01:02:28.560 there and they actually go back and look at the surveillance footage when they look back at the

01:02:32.160 surveillance footage they find out that the girl not only was she was there right i guess uh you

01:02:37.120 know willingly was she there willingly and all having fun and partying with all the girls drinking

01:02:41.040 eating all this other crap um she ordered her pizza left the house got the pizza and came back

01:02:48.080 so they're like what the hell so they didn't press anything right so they had no charges no nothing

01:02:52.400 but of course they had to go ahead and do an investigation because there was a serious

01:02:55.280 allegation made right so nothing ended up coming of that now let's go and talk about is this going

01:02:59.680 to affect them statewide so i've done human trafficking investigations before and a lot

01:03:04.880 of the times human trafficking investigations are very contingent upon victims coming forward and you

01:03:10.080 know be you being able to corroborate that evidence from what i've seen with some of these women that

01:03:16.160 have come forward or whatever they have way too many ulterior motives to be taken seriously or be

01:03:20.240 credible witnesses you know what i mean because there's there's a lot to gain from trying to throw

01:03:24.560 andrew and tristan under the bus i totally get what you're saying and i i think you know i'm going

01:03:30.080 to i really you know i'm i think everybody in the world is watching this case and just being like

01:03:35.280 where is this going to go i don't think anyone even expected this to happen the news was just i

01:03:39.360 couldn't believe what i was seeing but yeah i guess i want to know obviously you know andrew says

01:03:44.160 i mean he said during his arrest he was being attacked by the matrix yeah um you know i know you've

01:03:50.160 spent time with him and i think you you know i think you're making a strong case for for him not

01:03:54.080 being involved in these things but i guess it's it's more a case of like could they make it so that

01:04:00.560 he would get extra for example like that woman i completely understand what you're saying you know

01:04:04.160 makes sense to me if andrew flew her from the us to be there originally could they try and turn

01:04:10.240 that around and extradite him on some because i don't know much about human trafficking laws you're

01:04:14.320 the expert like i'm not saying maybe like we need to move the conversation away from like

01:04:19.280 him being innocent to just like what could they let's say that the matrix is attacking him how

01:04:24.320 could they is is there a potential for them to to try to get them on u.s charges from what i see right

01:04:29.680 now no from what from what i see because um yes she's a u.s citizen but any type of crime that they're

01:04:36.400 alleging typically is occurred in romania which is outside of the u.s u.s jurisdiction like there's not

01:04:41.040 many crimes that they can prosecute you for outside of the united states um just because like i know

01:04:48.240 terrorism is one right so like killing u.s citizens foreign right through terrorism you

01:04:53.440 can definitely get hit with that right um but as far as trafficking i'm not aware of any statutes

01:05:01.280 where you can charge someone for that crime when it's committed abroad even if the victim is a u.s

01:05:10.080 citizen got it okay and and the other thing too is that her just off of this surveillance footage alone

01:05:16.960 where she left the house and came back proves that there's so i would say that case there's no way

01:05:21.760 they'd be able to do that because she already proved herself that she's not credible if there

01:05:25.920 was a statute out there that i'm not aware of to be honest with you i feel like there's so many weird

01:05:29.680 things about this situation like like you say that i remember thinking like that girl that because i

01:05:33.600 remember that story of like she got sent out to get pizza yeah and then now there's this whole thing

01:05:37.520 of like oh the video where he's got the pizza and the pizza obviously it turned out that the pizza had

01:05:41.680 nothing to do with his being his arrest yeah not at all but like this thing was like there's pizza

01:05:46.000 involved it's like yeah bro the the thing is just so bizarre i'm just like so it's two different

01:05:50.160 things that like the girl went to go get pizza which was at the party and then the other one is when

01:05:53.920 he responded to greta thunberg he had pizza boxes there from a romanian chain and they said that's how

01:05:59.200 the police were able to identify him being in romania and in my head i'm like what the hell stupid

01:06:03.600 that's the dumbest thing ever because anytime you come into a country right the country's going to

01:06:08.720 keep a log of people that come in and they're not romanian citizens so they're more incentivized to

01:06:12.640 track them and the tates dude the way they move you everybody knows they're there and they're there

01:06:17.120 right they they have their cars their compound like they're they were celebrities they're like a-list

01:06:22.240 celebrities in in romania and that they were like that before the blow up all over the rest of the

01:06:26.400 world so one of the tates are in you in romania they know dude so like what for them to say oh they

01:06:32.000 knew that they were there because of pizza boxes in the screen is preposterous i mean from the background

01:06:36.880 alone you got everyone knows that's his war room in his home in romania so i thought that was

01:06:41.280 hilarious when they said oh yeah they discovered it because of a pizza case and it's just like what

01:06:44.960 the is it true that his compound is on google maps yeah that's that's crazy yeah yeah it's crazy yeah

01:06:51.200 but he's a guy that seems to uh maybe i maybe doesn't want it if you go on uber you type in it

01:06:56.240 literally says the tate house and it's there but he has security so if you try they're gonna they're

01:06:59.920 gonna you up but no way but yeah well yeah dude it's it's literally you could google i was shocked so

01:07:05.920 because i i recently re-watched the vlogs with fresh and you over there yeah hanging out in the

01:07:11.280 house i i'm fascinated by him you know he's a fascinating guy i've watched a lot a lot of take

01:07:15.040 content yeah but like you know that compound just is just this crazy place like yeah it's got the red

01:07:21.840 pool got like the larder by the pool it's just this incredible place i mean if you know setting

01:07:26.320 aside all the stuff with the case like what is your experience of just like being there because that

01:07:31.280 place no matter what's going on it's an iconic place in the world he is known internationally for

01:07:37.680 his mansion his car collection yeah all that so like i don't know what was it like being there

01:07:42.560 it's really nice man um it's it's uh it's really nice and like you know shout out to tape brothers

01:07:48.640 for opening up their home to us and fresh and you know and letting us stay there and we spent a

01:07:53.600 significant amount of time with them we're there for like two three weeks um and it was it was awesome

01:07:58.400 man like like and this is why like when you get to know people people might say oh well myron you're

01:08:02.720 biased because they're your friends or whatever listen man i'm a pretty good judge of character

01:08:06.160 and these dudes are the definition of character you know they're men of their word they do what

01:08:11.040 they say and mean what they say and they take the care of the people around them you know they have a

01:08:15.040 entire staff that you know maintains the home and everything and and you know they know all of them by

01:08:19.600 first name they they they talk to them they know their families etc like these dudes are not

01:08:25.680 monsters whatsoever it's quite literally the opposite and i've seen them be polite and nice

01:08:30.400 to women even when they didn't necessarily deserve it when they're being annoying as hell

01:08:34.560 like you know they're like he's over here get girls ubers that were being rude i don't even do that

01:08:38.080 shit like get the fuck out my house you know but trista goes above and beyond to take care of any

01:08:41.760 girl that shows up at his house whether he likes or not hey get home safely here you go bam complete

01:08:46.720 gentleman him answer him and injure so it was awesome being there seeing them how they live their lives and

01:08:51.520 everything that everything that uh you guys see in the videos is real they they definitely walk it

01:08:56.240 like they talk it when it comes to you know having a certain lifestyle you know the cars the girls

01:09:02.160 etc like girls run to these guys so i guess something i'd be curious about is you know what whatever

01:09:07.680 happens with the situation it feels like for so long they've been talking about how much they love

01:09:12.400 living in romania and being away from this sort of you know in a way like not having to deal with

01:09:18.480 this kind of stuff that it sounds like he was having sort of issues in london when he he left

01:09:23.280 the uk do you think he'll stay in romania after this with the situation that's happened or could you

01:09:28.320 see him going you know what i'm gonna switch it up now because what's going on i think maybe he'll go

01:09:32.400 to uae yeah probably you know it's it's uh you know he he recently bought a home there really really

01:09:38.160 nice house uh he converted to islam it just might make might make more sense and i think also him

01:09:43.840 converting to islam might have been a reason too why they decided let's go after andrew because i

01:09:48.720 mean romania is a very um uh catholic country or christian i don't i don't i forget what it's one

01:09:54.720 of the two so that could be a reason too you know because he used to donate a lot of money to the

01:09:58.960 churches uh andrew yeah interesting so that could be a reason too there's just so many other like

01:10:05.440 like outside factors where they're going after him where it's like yo this is but i know it's

01:10:09.840 bullshit charges like there's so many other different things his conversion them being famous

01:10:13.600 them having multiple passports them having money etc all these things i think are the real reasons

01:10:18.640 why they're holding them in jail for 30 days versus actually having like real solid evidence you know

01:10:23.760 so it is what it is i i mean uh this whole process this whole thing is kind of pissed me

01:10:30.640 off it fucked up my new year's i didn't do anything i just sat inside uh because to be honest like

01:10:34.960 when i saw a video of him walking out in cuffs it really bothered me because when you know

01:10:38.960 someone personally and you see them going through this and being wrongfully accused

01:10:42.400 uh i can't describe the feeling it's like just this this this feeling of uh extreme rage and anger

01:10:48.560 that i can't necessarily put a word to does it make you worry that like some like this might

01:10:53.040 happen to you or it's all this this sphere of men going against the grain and kind of uh being attacked

01:10:59.760 yeah does it make you i mean how do you feel because you're i don't want to disrespect you but you're

01:11:04.000 kind of in this area where realm of people that kind of hated online or no no no you're being

01:11:08.720 factual dude no and like you're right it's interesting i i like i don't really see myself

01:11:12.880 as in that realm but i have an interest i mean i watch a lot of take content i watch a lot of your

01:11:16.640 content you know i watch all sorts of different people yeah academics has been attacked on a lot

01:11:20.240 of different fronts over the years you know he's somebody i really look up to even adam no jumper

01:11:24.720 kind of you know people attack him on all sorts of fronts for sure and it's sort of like

01:11:27.760 i get a certain kind of i get more kind of like this sort of reverse racial hate yeah they call

01:11:34.480 you guys culture vultures yeah yeah all sorts of stuff like no one that's caucasian can report

01:11:38.400 on hip-hop apparently you vlad adam none of y'all could talk about it you guys are culture vultures i

01:11:42.960 can only make videos on rock and roll stories they told me so i don't know any of those stories so i

01:11:47.120 don't know what i'm gonna do but i guess i mean this this you know not to not to bring the tone down

01:11:51.520 but like do you worry some shit like that could happen to you or like the the you know the matrix will send

01:11:55.920 their agents i mean that's the kind of dumb way of putting it yeah i mean it's it's always a fear

01:11:59.920 um because to be honest i think i say more offensive stuff than tate you know what i mean i it always

01:12:05.760 baffles me how they go so hard on andrew when he said so many good things about women saying they

01:12:10.800 need to be protected they need to be loved for it need to be your man needs to provide you pay for the

01:12:14.000 date all this positive stuff about women but then they go ahead and they want to say some stupid

01:12:18.640 shit about oh he's a messagist whatever like he says way more uplifting stuff about women

01:12:22.480 then anyone gives them credit for it but for me i'm like well you know if i was to hit uh that that

01:12:29.200 level of fame or whatever they'd probably come after me even harder because i said i say stuff uh

01:12:34.480 less less uh less polite than he does so um but yeah man i mean this is what i've come to realize

01:12:39.840 i talked about this with zuby um any type of content that uh promotes masculinity becoming a better man

01:12:48.640 or being more attractive and dating is always going to be looked at as like toxically masculine

01:12:54.720 because what i've realized is this anytime you teach a guy how to become more attractive or how

01:12:59.840 to navigate the dating space it inherently puts women in a very bad light because the things it

01:13:06.400 takes for you to be attractive reveal extremely unflattering realities about women i'll give you an

01:13:12.960 example giving a girl flowers being a nice guy and being a gentleman used to work 50 60 years ago

01:13:20.000 when women respected men in general but in today's day and age you do that most women do not respect

01:13:25.040 men in general so you have to do things and have dark triad traits that might paint you as an asshole

01:13:31.200 for a woman to be aroused by you right so um even though excuse me like maybe not being all on

01:13:38.080 her ass not texting her not simping for her not taking her to on expensive nice dates without you

01:13:43.040 know vetting her first all of these things right though true put paint women in a certain light

01:13:48.800 where oh they just come off as gold digging horse i'm not saying that but what i am saying is that

01:13:54.480 you have to move a certain way with modern day women that and when i admit tell people this stuff

01:13:58.320 what it takes to actually be attractive there's no way there's no way you could beat around the bush

01:14:02.960 it makes women look bad but the reality is that women are attracted to things that make them look

01:14:07.440 bad that's the cold hard truth they're attracted to bad boys they're attracted to guys that don't

01:14:10.880 give a fuck they're attracted to guys that put themselves first over them hell they are attracted

01:14:15.120 to guys like me that say women deserve less but coming out soon but but in general um this is why

01:14:21.360 that this kind of content is hated so much because uh we destroy the disney fairy tales and tell guys

01:14:26.400 what it actually takes to be attractive with women see that i find this so interesting so i've watched

01:14:30.960 tons of your content yeah i've spent time in miami i've spent time dating in london i've spent time in

01:14:36.400 a small town in the uk and i sometimes wonder like do you ever feel like your approach towards

01:14:42.480 women is very urban like big city focus because i feel like in some ways like miami it's the women

01:14:48.960 in miami are kind of similar to the women in london but they're different to the women in like small

01:14:52.800 town countryside type places for sure do you ever feel like uh you know those truths that you expose which

01:14:59.520 i think there's a lot a lot true to them but do you ever feel like it's sort of almost like

01:15:04.480 hyper focused to a certain type of because essentially right what is a demographic of

01:15:09.040 women and also a certain demographic of men because you're it's almost like you're competing you're the

01:15:14.400 types of women you're talking about and the type of man you are you're competing in the nba of dating

01:15:17.840 right yeah and in a way it's almost like the the the advice that you give it's way more it's high level

01:15:22.560 advice right yeah and it's almost like i wonder whether um you wouldn't get attacked i wonder whether

01:15:29.040 you get attacked so much because it's almost like you're talking about the most extreme dating

01:15:34.000 scenarios okay and i think maybe from the mainstream or even like because you've got the internet you've

01:15:38.960 got people all over the world that maybe haven't experienced that or don't even know those those

01:15:43.200 truths or have an experience dating at that extreme concentrated variety and it's almost like do you

01:15:49.600 think that attracts more hate to you and even tate like for example tate it's like he basically reached

01:15:54.320 this level of social media where he was so polarizing everybody knew who he was there was

01:15:58.720 no getting away from him yeah there's a lot of things to agree with things to disagree with too

01:16:02.560 and it was almost like he kind of flew too close to the sun and it was just like there was no way

01:16:06.480 for him to continue existing if that makes sense yeah do you know what i'm saying yeah yeah they

01:16:10.080 yeah because his message was so strong that they were like we just got to cancel him you know

01:16:13.280 what i mean we can't we can't debunk his points let's just cancel him um i would say so as far

01:16:19.120 as like um the content like i guess like being for higher levels of dating no for sure right like

01:16:25.120 being in miami i've always said it is the olympics of of dating and hypergamy but what i would say is

01:16:29.600 that if women dated within their own classes this wouldn't be a problem but the issue is they don't

01:16:34.800 okay that's really right the hypergamy thing is interesting because it's like

01:16:38.800 the olympics of dating that's such a good way of putting it right because i feel like it's almost like

01:16:42.720 it takes both sides because it's it's like you've got the men that are the olympics of dating you're

01:16:46.160 talking about high level men the guys in miami that get in all the girls they got the boat they

01:16:49.840 got all this stuff yeah and then you've got obviously a lot of the women you're talking

01:16:52.880 about the high level women the most attractive women yeah in miami miami seems to attract people

01:16:57.520 flock from all over the country to come here and get that high level man right yeah but i guess it

01:17:01.440 what i'm trying to articulate is it's like i guess the reason you get attacked so much is because

01:17:06.480 you're kind of talking about this concentrated type of dating but then you've got women all over the

01:17:10.000 country getting exposed to the content exactly that maybe aren't participating in the olympics of

01:17:14.640 dating yeah and they feel like it doesn't it's like applying the olympic rules to them and they're

01:17:20.800 playing in the amateur league okay and i like okay that's that's a fantastic point that you brought up

01:17:24.720 well see it wouldn't matter if we didn't have instagram and and i and i say like and i want to

01:17:30.560 talk about this in detail in my book how social media dating apps etc have literally changed the game

01:17:35.920 like it has taken the dating game and flopped it on its head because you know um maybe 30 40 years ago

01:17:44.640 a girl would be lucky if two good guys came to her front door a year nowadays 200 guys can come to

01:17:51.200 her door in a day so what that's basically done right and they've done you know you could look at

01:17:56.160 like the ice cream study where like they they show someone three flavors versus 50 flavors when you give

01:18:01.200 them three flavors they're able to make a decision but when you give them to 50 flavors they're not

01:18:04.720 and what's happened is that women have a kind of a paradox of choice and though a girl might be average

01:18:10.560 herself the internet people giving her attention people telling her she's beautiful etc via the

01:18:17.840 internet allows her to if her ego gets inflated from that and she thinks she qualifies and deserves

01:18:23.280 more right and and and i would say society reinforces that we tell girls that they're special we tell

01:18:28.640 girls that they can do no wrong i mean whenever i say one of the most triggering things i say to modern

01:18:33.040 day women is you're not special and they all get offended by that but when i tell a man you're not

01:18:36.880 special they understand that right that we're all fairly similar in what we bring to the table and

01:18:41.520 our biological urges and what we want but like girls all feel like they're special like i have

01:18:46.160 10 girls at the table and i'll tell they'll all literally say i'm special what would differentiate

01:18:49.120 you from her well i do this and this and they'll describe a bunch of attributes that the other girl

01:18:53.040 described too so nowadays it's not necessarily that average girls aren't necessarily involved in like

01:19:01.040 high-level dating it's that they think that they can be involved in it which is which is the problem

01:19:05.200 i understand yeah it's interesting because it's like i feel like when i started watching you guys

01:19:09.040 to begin with you weren't i don't think the content has changed but i feel like the way you guys are

01:19:12.800 perceived is more controversial it's got more and more controversial each time like the first time i

01:19:17.360 came out here you were kind of having that scandal you know the whole thing we were on the shade room

01:19:22.400 that all thing was going on and i feel like it's been really interesting because it's almost like i think

01:19:26.320 the same thing with tate where it's like often i think of him and i think of you guys and i think

01:19:30.000 is there a way to do the same kind of content but wrap it in a way that it almost like can please

01:19:35.120 everybody like you can get the the women on side and get them to understand because it's almost like

01:19:39.920 even like with tate it's almost like the way it's so adversarial against against women or towards

01:19:46.160 men versus women like quite tribal yeah like i often wonder it's like is there a way to to wrap

01:19:52.800 that up in a way that women could be like oh actually i get that or is the only reason that tate and

01:19:56.880 you guys have gotten so big is because it is so divisive yeah that's what triggers be like when

01:20:02.320 tate says oh chicks can't drive so well yeah right it's like that's like skits in people's heads so

01:20:07.200 much that it triggers that debate even the people that disagree with them tweet about it yeah right

01:20:10.960 and it's just for me like i guess there's a more broader question about social media is it's like

01:20:15.280 you know even when like trump was big it was like the power of triggering people with things you say

01:20:20.880 to then spark conversation on both sides and it sort of makes you hated but then it makes you big

01:20:25.920 yeah like it's just something i wonder about a lot and i often wonder to myself like is there

01:20:29.120 a way of kind of like communicating these same points that you guys communicate but in a softer

01:20:33.440 way so that the women could take it on without being triggered and sort of see the good in it

01:20:38.240 because a lot of women listen to what you guys do i mean i know women that like no i get it like

01:20:41.600 they're on point or even like you know people that have been have been on the show and i've spoken

01:20:44.800 to them afterwards and it's just like like no i see where they're coming from like and now i've

01:20:48.800 understood like sometimes i feel like the best shows you have aren't the arguments it's where you get the

01:20:53.920 the girls on and you kind of end up having a dialogue and they kind of they get it a bit more

01:20:57.680 and then maybe they can communicate themselves a bit more sorry to get off topic no no no that's

01:21:02.160 a fantastic question so it's a two-part question here is there a way to wrap it up in a more pleasing

01:21:06.880 package that i guess they'll be able to digest the answer to that is no and and the reason why is

01:21:11.360 because um what i've come to realize from interviewing now i think we're at 1805 different girls is most

01:21:17.840 women cannot understand uncomfortable on uh biological truths a lot of the time because

01:21:22.880 it revolve it in it reveals unflattering realities about their mating practices right if i say something

01:21:29.040 along the lines of oh uh right and of course you know i'm not going to lie here sometimes i'll say

01:21:33.440 things in a certain way where it's it's polarizing right i one of my quotes is uh all women are gold

01:21:38.240 diggers some are just better hiding the shovel well let's unpack that statement real fast before you

01:21:42.240 know everyone calls me a misogynist when i when i say that what i mean by is all women are interested in

01:21:47.040 your ability to create as a man some are just better at concealing that interest some girls

01:21:51.360 might say i only date millionaires and be overt about it other girls might say i want a guy who's

01:21:55.360 ambitious and and has drive and they might be a little bit more covert about it but does not change

01:21:59.920 the fact that women are universally 99 of the time searching for a man that is going to be able to

01:22:06.720 provide some kind of security for them it's just that they have to dress it up in a certain way

01:22:10.400 so they don't look as bad and that is one of the biggest things about female communication is that

01:22:14.960 it's covert to not reveal certain things if you think about like the feminine mystique in general

01:22:19.120 everything about women is done covertly you don't know when their periods are going on you don't know

01:22:23.200 when they're in heat you don't know if they're really interested in you because girls don't

01:22:26.000 necessarily approach men they wear makeup they're supposed to be a lady they're not supposed to speak

01:22:29.760 a lot everything about femininity when you really boil it down is supposed to be concealed it's not

01:22:35.600 really until modern day times with you know these city girls and girls coming on this podcast

01:22:39.040 and stitching on themselves where guys are really starting to see and understand female nature

01:22:44.080 so feminism is the best and the worst thing because it's allowed women to be empowered and

01:22:49.040 liberated and speak and say and talk about the things they've been doing for decades

01:22:53.360 right that were typically held behind closed doors because they would be shamed and get the scarlet

01:22:56.720 letter but it's also bad because it's it's uh it's it's aware of men on their nature and if guys open

01:23:04.880 their eyes and watch the podcast or look at other content creators that make this type of stuff you'll

01:23:08.480 start to see the big disparity between how men communicate and how women communicate and for most

01:23:13.040 women the reason why this message can't necessarily be delivered a certain way is because to deliver

01:23:18.960 properly has to be delivered in a matter of fact fashion and women don't like matter of fact women

01:23:24.480 like what matter of what about this situation what about this they always make arguments for the

01:23:28.640 exception if i say something along the lines of women overwhelmingly want a man who makes more money

01:23:33.360 than them not not all the time like i dated a guy one time and i made as much money as him or i supported

01:23:37.760 him okay where's he at now oh yeah you're right but they'll make an argument like that right and bad

01:23:42.720 faith because me saying that women want a guy that makes more money than them makes them feel bad makes

01:23:48.240 them feel like a gold digger versus like what's real it's uh it's super fascinating man i think

01:23:54.800 especially with the rise of tate i think we're in a in an age because obviously i'm on social media i've

01:23:59.280 got my channel you know i focus on the stories that i'm interested in but i observe what's going on and

01:24:03.120 it's like i think tate really highlighted that like his popularity especially amongst men that i know

01:24:07.840 yeah he just says it he says it like it is right he doesn't sugarcoat it that's what you guys do

01:24:12.000 that's what trump did that's what yay well i don't agree with a lot of the things that yay was saying

01:24:16.400 recently but his thing was that he he felt these things he believed them he said them yeah and

01:24:20.320 didn't sugarcoat it got kicked off nearly everything yeah but he was just going going from the gut

01:24:25.440 shooting from the hip saying what he wanted and it does seem like i guess we're in this interesting

01:24:29.120 social media age where it's almost like the attention goes to the people daring enough to

01:24:34.080 just say how it is and say fuck anyone's feelings yeah and i just often wonder like you know is at

01:24:39.840 the end of the day is that the formula is that the trump formula he just said what he was he said what

01:24:44.560 he felt a lot of people were thinking and it worked and he went to the top you know and it's like

01:24:48.640 yeah again like not to get too derailed but it's almost like we're in this weird social media

01:24:52.560 or it's like just take just set it straight up and he just went straight to the top and like

01:24:58.800 you know maybe he maybe he said too many things and now they're off to him you know speaking the

01:25:03.120 truth in you know 2022 and 2023 that we're in now is is going to be damn near illegal you can't really

01:25:09.360 say things that are true if they offend people because we live in a very soft society where people

01:25:15.360 would rather be politically correct than be correct and that's the issue because you know they want to

01:25:20.160 they want to go with feels over reels and um that's why this message really can't really be

01:25:24.080 delivered and and and the thing is i don't expect women to a lot of a majority of women to take what

01:25:28.240 i say and actually listen and understand a lot of them just listen to get triggered and respond versus

01:25:32.880 listen understand and come back with so that's why people love fresh to fit so much because

01:25:37.120 it's one of the few platforms where you see modern day women talking to guys that understand the game

01:25:42.800 and you see their logic being challenged and day in and day out you see that single lady that that

01:25:48.000 independence uh narrative be shattered night after night after night uh from different women and

01:25:53.600 they come from different walks of life like we've we we have girls that came from 55 different i think

01:25:58.400 50 uh 50 44 states 55 different professions uh like 50 different countries etc so we bring a wide

01:26:07.040 range of girls on and it dude you know i always say the software the hardware might be different but the

01:26:12.400 software is still the same and and a lot of women believe in feminine uh feministic type uh ideals

01:26:17.840 that don't necessarily align with biological hardwiring they want to be strong independent

01:26:22.240 women but at the same time they think that they deserve a guy who's you know on top of his game etc

01:26:26.800 thinking that that guy wants the same thing back and the reality is men don't want masculine women

01:26:30.880 that are strong and independent and combative but women think they do well it's interesting because

01:26:35.040 i feel like there's a way of putting that to fit to women that works it's really interesting i you

01:26:39.280 probably saw the tate uh pearl podcast yeah i didn't see it but i mean i i i i know uh i'm sure

01:26:47.920 but go ahead well there was an older woman uh an older woman on the panel i think auntie was her name

01:26:53.280 well that's what she went by oh shit but she was kind of like agreeing with tate on a lot of points but

01:26:57.600 from this perspective of like i've been with my man i think she said something like 27 years

01:27:01.920 and on some just saying it straight up of like this is how i kept him yeah telling some of the girls

01:27:06.720 like oh you're seeing it wrong yeah that's how i see it and her and tate agreeing and it was almost

01:27:10.160 like damn it was like one of the times where again i didn't agree with everything she says i

01:27:13.840 agreed with someone which you know there were a lot of interesting perspectives on the panel but

01:27:16.880 it was just kind of like damn this is like that was for the first time i was seeing almost like

01:27:21.120 yours or like tate's content but wrapped up in a way that like you could see women actually like

01:27:26.000 understanding something from it and it's just super interesting man i mean i'm i know we're getting on

01:27:29.360 topic for for fed it but like no it's so interesting to hear like all these different voices that

01:27:33.920 are emerging and it's the things i feel like it's the things that go against the grain that

01:27:37.040 really stand out these days i get a lot of messages from married women that they watch the show with

01:27:40.400 their husbands and everything else like that and or girls that are in long-term relationships and yeah

01:27:44.800 it's funny like the girls that it grew me nine out of ten times have a boyfriend

01:27:48.160 or are married like they have some some significant like significant counterpart that takes them seriously

01:27:53.520 so it's the girls that hate me the most typically are like indoctrinated feminists that think that

01:27:58.000 men and women are equal but girls that like are actually in relationships with men that they love and

01:28:01.360 around respect they understand where i'm coming from i feel like that's the value of this show

01:28:04.720 like i mean i mean my girl sent more fresh and fit and it's like you know she likes some points i like

01:28:10.320 some points maybe there's a little argument yeah that's the that's the fun part of it and i feel

01:28:14.240 like in a way it's almost a shame that like you know there's a thing on social media to like shut

01:28:18.480 things down or just below you know we we don't like the vibes of this i mean i don't agree with you

01:28:22.240 on everything but at the same time it's all about having a dialogue like i'm open to listening to any

01:28:26.000 perspective yeah and like you say i mean i've had some some great conversations just off the points of

01:28:30.720 the show and watching the show and talking to people about things that have been said and it's

01:28:34.000 like i just think conversation is important man you shouldn't be able to you shouldn't be forced

01:28:37.840 to not say things we should all be able to just be open and have conversations about things yeah

01:28:41.520 deep platforming is never the way to go and you know obviously that's that's what they did with

01:28:45.120 andrew which is ridiculous you know and i foresee in the next five to ten years like yeah we're

01:28:49.040 probably all gonna have to be on rumble man it's it's gonna be a completely different landscape

01:28:53.040 you know hopefully there's still space for everyone on somewhere yeah you know no for sure should we hit uh

01:28:57.840 i know some chats came in before shout out to all you guys i know we've been chopping it up and stuff

01:29:01.520 like that i'll read some of these that just came through uh i know some of them probably have some

01:29:05.200 questions uh let's see here shout out to all you ninjas we got here um hey guys do me a favor while

01:29:11.440 chris pulls this up go ahead and subscribe to trap lore ross on uh on youtube and then you got

01:29:16.720 to trap more clips trap little clips trap more ross trap more ross okay three channels for some reason

01:29:22.080 yes uh what holster do you use for your glock and do you carry uh with one in the chamber

01:29:27.840 always carry one in the chamber we call that duty carry and i use a filster and i also got insane

01:29:32.480 kydex hey mine it's stupid that rappers are beefing and killing each other over petty things definitely

01:29:37.360 the most dangerous profession out there yeah it is especially nowadays uh and that's from ramon

01:29:41.520 vargas hey what's it like serving a search warrant were you like kicking the door in or in the stack

01:29:45.760 mostly uh mang ent uh yeah i've been at the top of the stack i've been the one with the with the with

01:29:50.320 the ram you know i've done all the different things but you know it's not as exciting as you

01:29:54.240 well i mean some people love it but for me i was like you know dude i'll put the swat team and let

01:29:57.920 them do it like i'm more concerned with like focusing on the case like i would be there waiting

01:30:01.760 for them to bring the guy out to me and then i'd take him to the to the building to go interview him

01:30:05.360 that's what i was concerned with because if you're there on the scene serving the search warrant

01:30:09.280 like you can't interview the suspects like you want uh and remember as the case agent you're

01:30:13.040 responsible for like you know getting the information try busy and ah and then uh thank you

01:30:17.200 the chat my g shout out to you man drunk russian goes hey myron i was wondering if you could

01:30:20.880 cover the idaho four murders on fed it i don't know if you heard of the case i have i will cover

01:30:24.880 it don't worry uh hey myron will you ever cover the idaho shoot him okay yep dan's produce

01:30:29.040 productions got you your mark can you break down a little how you were able to land an internship in

01:30:33.040 2010 also did you plan on doing the series on what you need a place to become an 1811 special

01:30:38.160 agent i can't do that uh don basically i got the internship guys i went through the co-op

01:30:43.520 program at northeastern university i got the internship with uh homeland screen investigations

01:30:47.920 that's how i got on the job uh if matrix uh does step three what we doing i'll wait till rumble okay

01:30:53.280 that's from jack force and then melly's boys tried robbing him and he got caught off guard

01:30:56.480 there were shots exit patterns from both ends of the car snake shit happens often sadly i mean we don't

01:31:01.520 know that but i mean from isa but regardless uh they're going to look at it as premeditated murder

01:31:06.960 because he took all those steps to conceal it lied to the police and um you know come up with some

01:31:11.520 kind of cover story shooting the vehicle etc so that's why they're hitting them with premeditated

01:31:15.040 murder which is murder one so oh good we caught up did it okay uh go ahead what's uh what about you

01:31:21.760 bro you've been asking me all these questions yeah man ask me whatever you want how'd you enjoy your

01:31:26.640 time in uh florida bro i love it out here man i'm trying to live out here this is amazing yeah i know

01:31:31.360 it's just the weather is beautiful the people are lovely kind people friendly i don't know what it is

01:31:37.200 because i feel like i always say to people like are americans especially in florida like they're so

01:31:40.080 friendly and they're like no another friend i think it's my name in miami people treat me good

01:31:43.440 with the accent right yeah because they're like okay we got a british guy here we got to treat

01:31:46.480 them well they rock on me man i don't know they think i'm some sophisticated on some like prince harry

01:31:50.080 yeah but like i don't know bro it's just so nice man i love it love the weather there's a lot going

01:31:54.800 on i'm recording with you i'm meeting new people like it's lit man so yeah loki i kind of want to be

01:31:59.680 out here what made you like uh what number what what's your favorite video that you researched oh man

01:32:05.760 that's a great question my favorite video i researched that bg duck one was done really well

01:32:12.400 by the way man that's got to be one of my favorites i think a lot of the chicago stuff yeah

01:32:16.160 your chicago research is phenomenal man yeah thank you man i think for me obviously as we were

01:32:20.160 saying earlier it's kind of like um the discipline that i've fallen into was just using all of these

01:32:25.840 different ways to kind of research these stories using clips from social media using the song lyrics

01:32:30.320 using the music videos it's so interesting like you say like you said with the meli case a lot of

01:32:35.360 circumstantial evidence coming together to to build a story essentially of what happened that day yeah

01:32:40.720 and i think for me i just try and look at everything like if i'm covering an artist at least at the

01:32:45.120 stage that i'm at now i listen to basically damn near every song every album every mixtape that they've

01:32:49.520 done and 691 was very good too thank you man yeah i use those two for for two of my broadcast those

01:32:53.760 were fantastic i appreciate that man thank you but yeah that's the thing it's like for me it's like

01:32:57.040 i'm deep in the game now i've watched a lot of stuff i've researched a lot of stuff if i listen

01:33:02.320 to it like the fbg duck story for example i listen to all of ducks music all of von's music read all

01:33:07.440 the news articles and at a certain point you begin to piece together a picture and then you start

01:33:10.400 listening back to the songs and you're like it's another clue yep another piece of info you you look

01:33:14.720 at all of the social media posts that that person did in their life and you're just like it all

01:33:18.480 connects and at some point you're like this shooting happened this day oh what did he post on

01:33:22.880 instagram the day after oh even just even just a little comment that even just sort of alludes

01:33:28.320 to some that happened once you build these things into a timeline you just begin to realize that like

01:33:32.640 yo this actually is like if you look at take her to the o he literally was just that was the music

01:33:39.200 video was like duck yeah and i in the music video i think there's a close-up shot of the phone ringing

01:33:43.520 and it says duck yeah right yeah and then it's like then you plot like at what point in his career

01:33:47.920 was he making these songs yeah and it's like it wasn't that long after that that they actually

01:33:52.800 caught that caught duck and did that yeah but another uh maybe my favorite intro maybe my

01:33:57.920 favorite video to research the jacksonville video that i did the who i smoke oh yeah that was good

01:34:02.400 too if you remember if you remember when that song who i smoke came out absolutely it was it was huge

01:34:07.200 because nobody could believe that those were real people it was like these guys on the golf course with

01:34:11.280 the classical music you know they're hitting the golf balls and then the beat switches yep and saying you

01:34:15.440 you know when i see you where am i like it's just like that was crazy in itself then when they start

01:34:21.040 talking about who i smoke bb all these names yeah little people and for me it was like the moment i

01:34:27.280 was like are those real people most people that i knew at that time when that song first came out

01:34:31.120 they're like i'm not real people i don't know if i can name whatever and i was just like i wasn't

01:34:35.120 even going to cover it but then i was like let me just let me just look up these names and then

01:34:39.280 before i know it i'm reading a bunch of articles and then i'm like let me go listen to all of

01:34:42.800 thulio's music i'm hearing a bunch of other names yeah and you know it gets to a point where there's

01:34:46.640 just like dozens and dozens of names and i think for me in that with that story it was just like

01:34:52.400 every time i heard a song it was like five new bodies honestly and you know i'm not trying to

01:34:56.720 glorify it or glamorize it but it was literally just a case of like let me listen to foolio's catalog

01:35:01.280 and damn near every song i was uncovering a new murder you know and to me that came out with when i

01:35:06.160 see you which was a response it's just funny how they took old songs right um like uh a young and

01:35:13.040 ace took uh um a thousand miles a thousand miles right yeah vanessa calls in a thousand miles and

01:35:19.280 they made it this song out of it the you know dissing dead ops and then foolio took fantasia when i see

01:35:26.560 you right and he and he did it in a graveyard bro and he had the pictures of the guys that died yeah on it

01:35:33.040 on it from the news like that was a i don't know what what coffee shop you got that yeah they they

01:35:39.280 might have to catch a stray for even printing because that was fucked up like yo like and and

01:35:43.280 here's the thing too with like and i guess we could this where we could like transition to like the

01:35:46.480 emergent like the the difference in hip-hop is like when i was listening to hip-hop and and you know

01:35:51.680 in the 90s and the 2000s like you know you had a this song you know right you look at like a jay-z

01:35:56.480 takeover roc we're running this rap shit right in the nas you know got something across the belly i'll

01:36:02.160 prove you lost already right it was very competitive it was i'm better than you i'm

01:36:07.120 you're trash eminem murdered you on your own shit blah blah blah right and jay's talking about how

01:36:11.840 naz is a bum all the shit so like it was very competitive back then now it's not about being

01:36:16.480 competitive it's about when i find you i'm just gonna kill you bro i don't really care about

01:36:19.760 competing about that i don't give a shit because lyrics don't necessarily have the same that they

01:36:24.560 used to have i remember like if someone was trash right you would roast them for having shitty lyrics

01:36:30.000 but i would i would say the era that changed everything was the early 2000s when crunk became

01:36:35.520 popular right that's a good era man but i i have no feelings about it oh come on because yeah see

01:36:43.760 this is my issue right and people might get mad at me for saying this but i'll say it anyway

01:36:48.320 the crunk era ushered in the watered down hip-hop that we have today and what i mean by this is

01:36:55.600 what crunk did was it made hip-hop where it's like oh this is music we can dance to this is music

01:37:02.960 we can actually play at the club and party to right so that kind of like was the stimuli from which we

01:37:09.760 have the mumble rap that we have now the uh you know the lean rap that we have now like it's more

01:37:15.520 about creating beats and having people party versus like lyrics meaning etc like nowadays if you're like

01:37:21.840 a lyrical rapper nobody gives a about you they're like who cares so um it kind of it kind of uh how

01:37:28.400 do i say this it i don't want to say it's stupefied hip-hop but it watered it down a bit to hit a

01:37:33.840 larger audience so that it can hit the clubs and hit the radios for more spins which is cool it is what

01:37:38.240 it is but um if you look at music from you know the 90s and the 2000s right when lyrics still mattered

01:37:45.360 to today there's a drastic difference like it's the the quality doesn't even come close and um

01:37:51.600 ever since early 2000 with that with crunk the south has taken it over they never gave it back

01:37:56.080 to these coast little john then you got ti blowing up early 2000s then you got all these artists coming

01:38:02.000 out of atlanta and then florida made a big stand in 2008 with like dj khalid plies etc and the big thing

01:38:08.960 between the south why i think the south took over over new york and i'd like to get your opinion on this

01:38:12.960 is that the south actually worked together i remember calo was uniting rappers all over the

01:38:18.240 place right he was uniting dudes like wayne baby uh akon they were all doing so the fat joe all

01:38:24.400 these rappers were working together meanwhile in new york you got 50 cent arguing with cameron

01:38:28.640 you got the diplomats breaking up you got um naz right um having issues with certain rappers saying

01:38:34.320 rap is uh uh rap is dead uh hip-hop is dead so in new york it's always been very very competitive

01:38:40.480 and artists don't really work together like that everyone hates each other but when you come down

01:38:43.920 to the south they're like oh we're going to take over we're going to work together and atlanta did

01:38:47.920 that and florida and and miami florida did that obviously now you got more beefs in atlanta because

01:38:52.720 now atlanta's taking over but when they were first coming up they all worked together you know welcome

01:38:58.080 to atlanta remix where they had ludicrous on there jermaine dupree all these guys right nelly everybody

01:39:03.120 the south worked together and that's why they were able to take over hip-hop bro this you know there's a lot

01:39:07.040 of good music coming out of all corners of america but yeah of course the south really dominated i mean

01:39:11.280 that period when atlanta became the the hollywood of rap i guess you could say like i mean it's

01:39:16.240 ridiculous the amount of artists that came out of there like 2004 all the way back to like outcast

01:39:21.200 but i guess the interesting thing is that it's almost like like you say with krunk i mean i love

01:39:25.600 i mean i love krunk but like back then but you're right i don't know whether i'd say stupefied it but

01:39:30.560 it made it simpler it made it made the music more of like an emotional response experience rather than you

01:39:36.800 you didn't have to think yeah it was just a feeling like you know some of those old david banner crunk

01:39:41.120 songs when it's just like he's just got a song or it's just like like in the classic or like the

01:39:46.560 one i can't remember the name of the song but he's in the club fighting it might just be called ko and

01:39:49.680 i can't say the lyrics because there's a few n words in there but like you're saying we go knock out

01:39:54.160 like just it's literally it's like it's just like this is a song i'm gonna go to remember i can

01:39:59.600 play it afterwards but um no give you buck yo they they play that bro yo you get the

01:40:06.000 hell out of the club as soon as they play that you know and then also dance

01:40:09.680 music right you had soldier boy with exactly yeah and then you know uh crank that right

01:40:14.480 crank that yeah crank that was another one yeah you know like all like the emergence of like dance

01:40:18.800 songs you know i ain't never scared yeah i never scared like yo that's like that this is what like

01:40:23.600 moved hip-hop more to like the front lines where they're playing it at the clubs like because there was a

01:40:27.600 lot of dance music but uh in a way though i feel like it opened up hip-hop in more of a way as like

01:40:32.320 it made it more commercial because let's be real a lot of whilst a lot of big artists came out of the

01:40:36.320 east coast i mean you know jay-z naz like some of the biggest artists that we've seen 50 cent uh maybe

01:40:41.600 50 cent kind of helped but it's almost like no one's throwing on an old jay-z no one's throwing on

01:40:46.240 ilmatic in the club it's just not happening no hell no but like hell no you could still throw on some

01:40:49.840 of these crunk songs that would go off in a club what's your favorite song automatic my favorite song

01:40:53.280 i feel man man represents a good one there's so many good ones new york state of mind new york

01:40:59.600 state of mind is my favorite well that was so good the beat's crazy dj premiere on the beat man oh

01:41:03.920 ill mags just ill max a perfect album yeah ill max a perfect album life's a life's a good one

01:41:10.160 uh life's a and then you die that's why you get high because you never know when you're gonna go

01:41:15.280 it's like poetry like those those each of those songs it's like i mean literally that song life's a

01:41:19.200 bitch like bro that's like we've all felt that you know yeah and that life is fucking like that

01:41:23.040 sometimes and it's like that is music that makes you think you could never play it in a club but in a

01:41:27.360 way these songs you know like a pimp just fucking just throw it on in the club it's just yeah i want

01:41:33.200 to see girls i want to see ass shaking yeah i don't give a shit about the the complexities of living in

01:41:38.560 the projects in new york in a way i feel like that music has so much value and i feel like that

01:41:43.360 you know atlanta it's a lot of it's like mood music i mean you even think about people like outcast

01:41:47.520 or even like you know when when like he had andre 3000 doing songs like hey yeah it's a dumb song

01:41:52.480 but then it touched so many people because it was just a feeling like that feeling yeah positive vibe

01:41:56.960 music and you know i thought like that was always what atlanta was good at and in a way i think it's

01:42:01.360 almost like you had so many artists come out of atlanta like people like the migos where it's sort of

01:42:06.000 the music is kind of dumb and it's just but it's like a vibe it's just like trapping yeah riding in

01:42:10.240 your car trapping trapping it's just all about the sound in a way it's almost like it doesn't really

01:42:14.960 matter what they're saying it's the ad-libs who yeah like yeah like yeah like the original ad

01:42:21.760 level was uh young jeezy you sell you everything you know what i mean yeah let's go like it was a

01:42:28.800 original ad-lib or him and jim jones bro ad-lib everything you know um classic i i but uh and

01:42:34.560 then obviously i i think uh reasonable doubt was probably reasonable down the blueprint of jay-z's two

01:42:39.120 best albums in my opinion yeah my favorite on blueprint is renegade eminem and then uh on reasonable doubt i

01:42:44.560 think i like uh feeling it and then dead presidents dead presidents which is a good one naz on that

01:42:49.760 right which i think that was a part of the reason too um a reason oh you know what i'm gonna go out

01:42:54.000 a reasonable doubt a couple good songs not like illmatic shits all over reasonable doubt yeah it

01:42:59.200 does like reasonable doubt it's like ten songs too well actually nine yeah you don't even count

01:43:03.760 that back then guys right back in our day uh the first song almost always was a skit it wasn't a song

01:43:09.440 um and then dr dre's um the chronic was actually a fantastic album too yeah 2001's a great album as

01:43:15.360 well dr dre you know for the ferment you remember all those years when it's like dr dre's gonna drop

01:43:19.600 detox no album coming and never came but i gotta say dr dre he'll never be able to replicate that

01:43:24.480 sound dude no no way but i feel like in the 90s he's done so well he he's left a lot of gaps between

01:43:29.760 his albums and he dropped when he does drop an album it perfectly encapsulates that era like the chronic

01:43:34.480 so different from 2001 because that was like the era when he discovered eminem he's got a few eminem

01:43:38.480 verses on the album he's got exhibit he's got all these different west coast people they just capture

01:43:42.720 these perfect little moments and it's kind of past its time but even that album he did for the straight

01:43:47.440 out of compton soundtrack it was almost like captured this more new school flavor of la and it was just

01:43:52.400 like man uh dre's just a genius bro like the amount of careers that he's touched and the amount of

01:43:56.560 like the role he's played in hip-hop man yeah i i never looked at him as like a like a top-tier rapper or

01:44:02.480 artist i always looked at him as like a behind the scenes producer that just creates hits we had

01:44:07.680 a lot of writers working for him too right yeah so it was almost like in a way people never really

01:44:11.040 gave dre the respect that has a rapper yeah because it was sort of that whole thing of like

01:44:14.560 does he write his own stuff he's like he's like like i would put him like i mean obviously he's

01:44:19.280 does laps around him but i would put him in like the same category as like a jermaine dupri uh

01:44:24.000 timberland like these guys that like you know are responsible for a lot of the artists that you've

01:44:28.320 come to like learn and love i'm not saying they're on the same level with dre obviously

01:44:30.880 it eclipses all of them but those are guys that rapped but they weren't necessarily but they

01:44:35.600 were behind the scenes like making shit happen right like jermaine dupri you wouldn't have a

01:44:39.200 bow out without him man like people could talk as much shit as they want about bow wow and and uh

01:44:43.040 jermaine dupri but like he you wouldn't have all those hit songs from the early 2000s without him

01:44:48.000 so um but yeah i mean and i mean i don't even know if timberland still does stuff but yeah just

01:44:53.520 uh timberland was like critical for like merging like pop and hip-hop you know i still to this day i

01:44:59.760 think ao technology was like a very first of its kind yeah yeah timbal and you got uh a gangster

01:45:06.080 rapper doing a song with a top pop artist on a song and it actually sounds really good and he was a

01:45:12.320 50 cent was one of the first to really like do that i thought it was like a really good song and and

01:45:17.600 people don't give 50 cent enough credit talking about him but but if you go back to that era when

01:45:21.600 50 cent was popping like in the club and going back to what you were saying earlier about music that

01:45:26.160 is just about the feeling and it's dumb in a way it's like in the club was like the perfect

01:45:31.200 the perfect balance between it's just a dumb in the club but then also it's like but then it's 50

01:45:39.120 the the dre b is just hitting so hard of course he's a gangster in the music video it's like they're

01:45:43.840 bringing him back to life from being shot it's like you couldn't escape that song in 2001 two or three

01:45:48.720 you could not escape it you could not escape that song dude it was everywhere i remember but it's

01:45:55.520 like when you think about successful rap songs i feel like the you know the greatest songs that are

01:46:00.080 successful commercially i feel like they're the songs that are so broad and maybe dumb but simple

01:46:06.480 to the point of just like 50 cent in the club we've all been in the club yeah and that song is

01:46:12.000 literally you put that song on and it's like yes i feel like in your brain you're like i'm in the club

01:46:15.600 yeah yeah it's like the value of creating a song that simple i mean it's even like

01:46:20.240 you know you've got songs like i mean like was it usher uh yeah yeah yeah yeah the song is called

01:46:27.200 yeah lord john we've all been in that feeling when you like you know you hit the club the beat starts

01:46:31.760 and you're like yeah like this is my moment to say yeah and get into some yeah and i think those

01:46:36.320 simple songs that really just capture human emotion at their rawest level they're dumb songs but they end

01:46:41.280 up being the most successful songs because they just speak to people on a level beyond language

01:46:45.760 sure we can throw on a jay-z you know 150 bar hard deep introspective rap but that's not going to

01:46:53.280 move you as much as in the club literally changes your emotional state as soon as you hear it of

01:46:57.760 course and i think i got to give a little wayne credit too i didn't mention him he was one of the

01:47:01.680 few rappers that kind of like made that people take the south seriously because um oh down south

01:47:07.280 rappers are stupid blah blah wayne was like no we could rap too and he and he definitely i mean if you

01:47:13.280 you look at like um all the drought mixtapes um you look at his i i can't believe he never released

01:47:18.480 that album i can't feel my face with joel santana they never released it i wanted to hear that album

01:47:22.000 so bad they had a couple songs off at least right and it was hard yeah um uh my favorite song off of

01:47:28.240 that one is um step into the uh damn it i can't uh it's called the dark side i think i can't remember

01:47:36.480 that um i'm trying to remember the name of the songs off it um uh he goes damn it someone is

01:47:42.880 stepping to the bad side i think is what it is someone in the chat is gonna know it um with that

01:47:48.560 mixtape i can't feel my face but he was but it was with wayne um that was that was great they never

01:47:53.920 released that though they had a bunch of bangers on there i think wayne is probably my he's definitely

01:47:57.440 mine he i feel like he's the greatest rapper of all time and i think the way he was amazing is that

01:48:02.000 he could do both he could make songs that were just like a party hit but then when you drilled into the

01:48:06.640 lyrics like for example lollipop okay yeah it's a sexually charged song she's so like he's so sweet

01:48:11.920 she wants to lick the rapper yeah and it's like it's it's like it's a club song you don't if you don't

01:48:16.400 listen to the lyrics it's still a sexy strip club kind of song but then you actually listen to what he's

01:48:20.000 saying she wants to lick the rapper double entendre with the it's like a candy she wants to lick him

01:48:25.760 and then it's like battles in the and his singing allotune rapping is on point yeah bro he's the guy

01:48:30.800 that can do it all i think wayne is the goat and he's got so many songs in his catalog i mean even a

01:48:35.520 millie right the song a millie it doesn't even have a chorus it's just a millie yeah yeah and it's

01:48:40.000 just a song he's just sort of freestyling all these different things but the song is like about

01:48:43.600 success it's about making a millie being a millionaire and it's just like bro this guy he doesn't even

01:48:48.640 write down off the top of his head he just created this these songs that like could communicate a

01:48:52.720 feeling but then also the lyrics were deep and always on point bro i think wayne's the goat

01:48:57.040 yeah okay you can make an argument for him being greatest of all time i i uh my favorite song man

01:49:03.280 there's so many i like all his mixtape stuff i mean he did the upgrade you freestyle off off the

01:49:07.680 destiny's child um he used the sky's the limit uh went on there uh you know um probably in the

01:49:15.200 probably in the in the ocean swimming with the with the pigeons or probably in the ocean

01:49:20.000 fuck uh it's you see my world is different like dwayne wade and if you want trouble bitch i want the

01:49:25.920 same thing okay and then i'm trying to remember the lyrics and then other thing too that i really

01:49:30.480 liked was the only thing on the mind of a shark is eat by any means and you just sardines i got that

01:49:36.240 40 cal yeah you said that's all right even the even the dumbest part is like real g's move in silence

01:49:40.880 like lasagna yeah like just crazy shit like that he's just in there smoking a blunt coming up with

01:49:44.800 this in the booth bro the guy's brain is just incredible yeah it's always hard 100 and and and

01:49:49.440 i know a lot of y'all oh drake on up here's my thing uh i i don't think i've ever shared this on

01:49:54.960 air i'll share yeah the reason why i i will acknowledge that drake is a musical genius he's

01:50:00.560 going to go down in in history as one of the best rappers to ever fucking do it i'm not going to take

01:50:04.720 anything away from his accolades but the thing i dislike about drake is that drake has ushered in

01:50:10.560 this pussy era of men that we have today he is the soundtrack to these soy boys that we currently

01:50:16.240 have in modern day society he made it okay to cry over girls to be a simp oh why don't you return my

01:50:22.480 text all this other stuff so it's not necessarily that i don't think drake is a fantastic artist i

01:50:27.920 think i still think to this day thank me later is one of the best albums i've ever heard his first

01:50:31.760 album however i don't like the cultural implications of his music so that's why i don't necessarily listen

01:50:38.080 to it and i'm not that much of a fan because i think it's soft but i think also a lot of his

01:50:42.320 music is for girls it's actually for women because it's not i think it's not about teaching men to cry

01:50:48.240 over girls it's about a song for women to imagine a guy crying over them you know what i mean yes drake

01:50:54.640 is a big reason why girls run around and say be vulnerable to me because it sounds good and you would

01:51:00.400 accept that vulnerability from drake but you would not accept it from your boyfriend who works at

01:51:04.320 mcdonald's but they think they will and and what drake is basically and it made he's fooled both

01:51:10.560 men and women i get it right because i i he for him it's like oh i'm gonna make the money and i gotta

01:51:15.120 go ahead with the emotions to do it which is cool and he's appealing to both men and women he tells

01:51:19.280 guys it's okay to be a soft bitch and then he tells the girls it's okay uh you know for you to for

01:51:23.920 me to simp on you right and girls think that they deserve this entitlement of men simping on them but

01:51:28.800 i just don't like how drake ushered in this whole era of dudes being pussies right and being soft

01:51:35.600 meanwhile you know you got back in early 2000s uh i'm making a rail like a bet there are degraded

01:51:41.440 chicks all over the place and shit like that in the early 2000s but yeah i mean it is what it is so

01:51:45.600 do you just never allow yourself to be vulnerable like that i just don't like music that's like soft

01:51:50.320 man this is why to this day like modern day hip-hop omar what do you listen to now i listen to new

01:51:54.240 york drill a lot if i'm gonna listen to hip-hop honestly that's that gym music yeah you know i'm

01:51:58.160 listening to two g's i'm listening to coach the ghost oh we didn't get to talk about that yet yeah

01:52:01.760 yeah is there an update on his case i've not been following it but he's uh he's in a jam i mean we

01:52:07.200 honestly i got the indictment we could pull it up if you want but like uh but he basically is facing

01:52:11.200 a federal firearms case damn him and uh who's the second i forgot the name the light-skinned guy i

01:52:17.280 forgot these you know i've been out of the new york scene for a bit so i'm a bit rusty on the new

01:52:20.960 york stuff right now yeah but i mean two two got arrested too for attempted murder and he got out

01:52:25.280 recently so um but yeah i like he's one of the hardest man two two g's i think he's even though

01:52:30.640 he's big i think he's underrated because his music is so good he's so consistently hits with his music

01:52:36.640 like bro some of those songs and the beats that he chooses next level yeah um yeah all gd rappers are

01:52:44.000 like blackball bro it's it's fucking it is what it is like you know coach the ghost two two g's etc like

01:52:49.360 um they're blackball and the crazy part is is like i'll listen to a two two g song and then i'll put

01:52:55.200 on some pop smoke right after and i'll just go back and forth i'll put on some coach and then i'll put

01:52:58.560 on some fabio like i like both camps like i think they're both uh great but you know it's just sad

01:53:04.560 because you know they're literally like you know they see each other it's like on site it's so many

01:53:09.040 politics man it's a shame because the the music coming out of both sides is so good yeah it's just like

01:53:14.000 bro there's just so much to be gained but at the same time if you like pop smoke there's no way

01:53:19.920 you're not gonna like two two g's yeah if if you like uh k flock there's no way you're not gonna like

01:53:24.800 coach the ghost like it's it's very similar right i know bronx show is a little bit different they use

01:53:28.880 more um they don't use the uk drill beats as much they use more like uh samples of old songs etc but

01:53:34.720 it's all very similar and it's with k flock by the way too um i think he might he has a good chance of

01:53:41.360 getting out he's a rapper that i don't think is that bad it's looking better for him yeah it's

01:53:45.200 definitely looking better for him yeah you know what it's just like the dude had a gun the dude

01:53:49.920 had a gun uh that that he shot and killed and um and and and i and i i broke this down on my thing if

01:53:56.080 you guys want to go check it but like in the surveillance footage you can see the guy like

01:53:59.280 reaching kind of interesting like this walking up to k flock and you know a reasonable person would

01:54:04.560 suspect like yo this guy's trying to kill me bam i just shot him the uh but i think the thing that

01:54:09.120 they might get k flock on is the the firearm possession because new york has really good

01:54:12.400 strict gun laws and i'm not sure if he's a felon man i can't remember i can't remember but obviously

01:54:17.360 you know he was into a lot of problems he was on social media running around saying he was chasing

01:54:21.760 for opps so they might try to make an example out of him you know yeah and it's like bro he was so

01:54:26.720 talented i mean he's so talented it's one of those things where it's like if he gets out he'll be like

01:54:31.440 the new king von he'll be releasing album after album it'll be crazy yeah or you know they'll hit him with

01:54:37.120 whatever they can he'll be stuck in there'll be another push ic we won't hear from him and it'll

01:54:40.880 just be you know the next person will come through i mean i can't believe that push ic case i broke

01:54:44.720 that one down too yeah bro like he literally all right this is how bad this the push ic case was

01:54:53.760 he literally wanted sneakers and weed he hits this guy up right i want sneakers i'll get you another one

01:54:59.280 i want sneakers and weed right he meets the guy he has exotic rental cars dude gets in the car he pulls out

01:55:05.760 a lot of draco points at him hey leave the sneakers in the weed there right and the fuck guy's like

01:55:09.920 wait what so and mind you he had like 40 50k in cash with him at the time oh just buy it just buy

01:55:16.000 the sneakers bro and and and uh it was like some jordans right and the dude that he robbed rented

01:55:22.160 the cars so i didn't know that detail yeah jesus so so uh so and and also they committed the the robbery

01:55:30.400 like the playstation was down the street it was like across the street and it was all on cctv so

01:55:34.960 so they fucking he's like no blah blah shootout ensues he shoots at the guy hits him in the ass and

01:55:39.200 hits another guy and they flee off when he runs off they drop the backpack that has like 40k cash in it

01:55:45.120 they were able to trace the serial bills of the hundred dollar bills to you know how he likes to

01:55:50.080 fan out the cash money challenge he was doing the money thing he likes to fan out those bills well that

01:55:53.760 didn't work out too well because he had an instagram post with that with that money with that same bag

01:55:58.000 like like fanning it out like this they were able to see the serial numbers on there trace it back to

01:56:02.880 the scene the surveillance footage the witnesses etc bro he could have just paid for it and not got in

01:56:09.200 trouble and then boom since he wanted to go ahead and rob a guy right at gunpoint and it was in the

01:56:14.080 middle of a drug trafficking uh i guess a drug trafficking offense they were able to hit him

01:56:18.560 federally with uh drug trafficking while possession of a firearm and they hit him with um the hobzak

01:56:23.520 burglary or robbery because he robbed them violently bro he was genuinely too shy steve for

01:56:28.400 his own good right literally one of the biggest l's i've ever heard back in blood was the biggest

01:56:33.840 song in the country for a minute it was everywhere yeah it was everywhere and like bro he was he was

01:56:39.680 he was in line to be one of the big dude one of the proper big dudes and it was just over like that

01:56:44.240 and i guess that's one of these that's a case of he was really from the streets he got famous too

01:56:48.800 quickly and just didn't have time to adjust there was really no way of him not shooting people basically

01:56:53.360 he was shooting he was just shooting it perplexes me because he had the money to buy it and and the

01:56:57.200 other thing too that made the case federal that a lot of people don't know because the fbi actually

01:56:59.920 went and got him i read the criminal complaint the thing that made a federal was the guy that he

01:57:04.160 rented the car from and uh bought was trying to buy the sneakers from was had an online business so

01:57:09.520 like since he had like tried to do the transaction through the internet that affected interstate

01:57:13.920 commerce no way that kind of allowed the feds to kind of come in as well and then also the fact that he

01:57:18.000 was committing a a drug uh he's a drug trafficking offense while in possession of firearm that's

01:57:22.400 automatic like federal felony bro i mean it is it really is like one of hip-hop's great l's yeah

01:57:29.280 he he fucked that up because it and it's also it's like he was young as hell what was he like 20

01:57:33.600 that's like 21 22 bro and it's like the all the world's eyes are on you you've built up this reputation

01:57:38.560 of a shysty dude you're a real dude from the streets you're a real shooter yeah but bro is like threw it

01:57:44.160 all away bro he had the opportunity of a lifetime man it's actually tragic i

01:57:47.360 it's dumb everybody in 10 17 is big scar passed away right overdose bro he was fired man i was

01:57:54.160 a big fan of him right fan of him and then uh oh shout out to chris appreciate um chris can i get

01:57:58.720 a monster too uh and then um right so you had big scar right with with uh he just passed away uh you

01:58:05.600 had the other guy forget his name but he's in jail fujiano fujiano yeah he cut the bracelet off and

01:58:10.160 he's in jail push icy jail uh who else in 10 17 hasn't he got another one hasn't he just had an

01:58:16.080 artist get get a case or something recently like very recently like past couple days i don't know

01:58:21.520 someone in the chat's gonna put it yeah let us know someone someone in the chat's gonna put it

01:58:25.120 but yeah man it's it's crazy bro uh what's going on with with uh with all that stuff and then the

01:58:31.120 young dolphin situation too which i'm gonna cover that as well bro i was a huge i mean a huge fan of

01:58:36.080 young dolphin man i mean i covered his before he passed away i covered his his beef with uh with

01:58:40.960 yo gotti pretty extensively you know years of back and forth in between those two i mean i you know

01:58:46.400 obviously there's still a lot going on that case hasn't actually like gone through with oh it's still

01:58:49.920 going to doff yeah it's still going on christina went to memphis no way and uncovered some stuff i'll

01:58:54.000 tell you some stuff off camera oh hell yeah it's still very active dude bro it's just tragic bro

01:58:58.320 obviously i mean for me right like you know i i'm i'm on the internet i see the footage the

01:59:03.600 footage of him like you know laid out in the store people filming it's just tragic bro because he

01:59:07.280 really was like a once in a generation artist bro his catalog is amazing he was a great rapper his

01:59:12.400 music so motivational just fire he just didn't deserve that and he never struck me as one of the

01:59:17.520 sorts of dude that i mean i guess you know like you know he's got his tour bus shot up and stuff and

01:59:21.840 yeah they were gunning for him yeah but at the same time like i just didn't feel like i don't know

01:59:26.800 bro it just caught me off guard i may maybe that's being naive but like

01:59:29.600 just so many good artists bro i mean i was the biggest pop smoke fan as well like you know pop

01:59:34.720 smoke dying suddenly like i remember i was in the car my friend told me oh pop smoke killed in a home

01:59:38.160 invasion i was just like what i was just like what the fuck like bro like i'm just listening to him

01:59:42.240 yep and like pop smoke is why i don't do airbnbs anymore hell no bro fuck airbnbs yeah if you're

01:59:48.080 if you're like a somebody bro you can't do airbnbs man fuck that shit hotels dude only well that's the

01:59:52.400 thing because they you know obviously apparently a picture a picture was taken in front of the airbnb but

01:59:56.480 you know i've seen other stuff that suggests that it they were just they were hitting up airbnbs and

02:00:00.880 it happened to be that airbnb yeah so and he also uh he got some i think he got um some designer

02:00:06.240 delivered to him and the address was in the uh in the picture and they were able to to see that and

02:00:11.840 yo la is crazy bro like i i'll i'll be honest i don't like los angeles like that man like anytime we

02:00:16.880 go out there we go in and get the hell out man it's extremely dangerous pmb rock situation it's run by

02:00:22.640 gang culture yeah right like if you don't know the right people is is yeah man i'm good i prefer

02:00:27.680 miami bro yeah but then again you know i don't know if you i think i sent it to you on reddit there's

02:00:32.160 a new subreddit myrack which is basically the shyrackology of miami oh okay oh yeah yeah street

02:00:38.800 scene going on here i hope it doesn't turn out like la there is actually there is yeah especially

02:00:43.120 with broward county broward county is not sweet man for real yeah it's this is a lot of the girls that

02:00:47.440 come on the show that'd be after ratchet they'd be from broward county bro they're not from really

02:00:51.040 yeah chris you know what i'm talking about facts yeah pompano beach and shit like nah man i'm good

02:00:55.680 oh that's where codex from right yeah yeah which is crazy because they have one of the biggest

02:01:00.480 resilient populations very diverse town or city interesting yeah yeah man i think that i'm not

02:01:06.640 trying to get into any of those sort of problems out here yeah they also have an immigration uh

02:01:10.160 facility over there too i used to go there all the time when i was aging because like anytime

02:01:13.440 someone would be held for immigration purposes i wanted to like try to get an informant and i'd go

02:01:16.880 over there interesting yeah okay so you go over there you sort of scoop up a little informant yeah

02:01:22.400 so you can man hey bro you don't want to get deported i know you're involved with this crook

02:01:25.840 hey what time is that that's the way that's the way man hey that's it's actually a really strong

02:01:29.920 incentive to get people to cooperate with you is oh you're gonna get deported back to your country

02:01:33.040 you haven't been there since you were two years old bro what do you want to do i hear people saying

02:01:36.160 some of some about that's how they 21 savage stuck around in the country but i think i might be kept

02:01:40.000 i think i might be kept yeah i don't i don't i don't know i mean um with him he might have a

02:01:45.200 case because he was he was here since he was a child but um but immigration proceedings take forever

02:01:51.280 dude like it's because it's not criminal it's administrative and a lot of the times you know

02:01:54.880 you get bond right because they don't want to hold you in immigration jail it's very expensive

02:01:59.040 right so you know those things take years sometimes which you're looking at like oh who gives a

02:02:03.280 fuck i'm good i'm just chill well like i feel like i mean america is the land of uh money kind

02:02:10.080 of fixing all the problems like when when that whole thing happened with 21 savages immigration

02:02:13.520 i just thought like man he's surely just got to get top immigration lawyer yeah secure the bag

02:02:17.760 they're just there sort out the paperwork but i don't know maybe it's i feel like becoming an american

02:02:21.920 citizen or getting american paperwork is pretty tough yeah he has some arrests so i don't know if he'll be

02:02:27.200 able to get natural i mean it it's strange i mean that immigration is the biggest reason why i said

02:02:33.680 the tory lane's case is a big deal it's not because he's going to do a lot of time it's because they're

02:02:37.600 going to they're he's going to get absolutely get the port after this yeah we're gonna ship him back

02:02:41.120 like shine 100 yeah yeah oh yes i did get the point yeah yeah man yeah he he landed on his feet though

02:02:46.800 he's like dad's like the prime minister or some yeah yeah he's he's chilling in belize and i think diddy

02:02:51.280 to this day still takes care of him financially i hope so yeah i i i somewhat i i don't know where

02:02:56.880 i heard it but like diddy does right by him because to be honest it should be diddy that went

02:03:02.000 to jail bro we all know that uh you know so they had like j-lo in the car yeah that's a crazy story

02:03:07.200 yeah bro like shine definitely took that gun charge for diddy bro one thousand percent everybody knows

02:03:12.000 that diddy was involved in that shit as well that's a real one right there yeah yeah shine on the team

02:03:16.480 10 15 years some wild like that but shine the interesting thing is like before that kicked off shine

02:03:20.720 was the next biggie like you know he had the yes he was he had the voice voice like people and he was

02:03:25.440 diddy's eyes they were saying he was the next diddy and then literally in a heartbeat bro on

02:03:28.640 switched jail yep he definitely that was that was a whole other thing and then um what about ysl

02:03:36.400 man what's your thoughts on that bro he's cooked yeah he's looking cooked yeah it's not good

02:03:41.040 here's the thing 300 witnesses bro is that how many there are that's what they said bro that's

02:03:44.800 like probably exaggerated but it might be 100 though bro that's like a sports game 300 witnesses

02:03:48.560 that's a whole crowd that's not witnesses that's literally a crowd bro yo yo man bro here's the

02:03:55.360 thing i was talking talking to somebody about this before i came here today yeah the craziest thing

02:04:00.320 about the thug case right because i covered this before he got locked up back in 2015 when the

02:04:05.280 alleged you know the murder from the indictment happened yeah he thug wasn't really rapping as much

02:04:11.280 about street shit like i went back and listened to a lot of his old music he's talking about i'm a stoner

02:04:15.200 like it's not so much about street stuff not so much about sliding and it seemed like he

02:04:21.040 allegedly got away with his involvement in this murder or whatever yeah and then just got brazen

02:04:26.960 and as the years went by we're talking 2016 17 he's getting bigger in the industry it's only as

02:04:31.680 he got more successful that it seemed like he started rapping about you know we shot at this guy's

02:04:35.440 mom yep he's got artists that are rapping about oh we killed your og like all this stuff and it's like

02:04:40.480 as he's getting more and more successful more and more brazen you know i'm sure that he got to the

02:04:44.560 point you know 2021 he's just just like that he probably forgot he even was involved in that

02:04:48.880 shit yeah if you know the alleged dude i looked at the indictment they were looking at it since

02:04:53.120 2013 dude well that incredible well that's the thing you know in my video that i covered on it it's

02:04:58.080 like before they were ysl they were the rock the rock crew uh the the what they called like rocking

02:05:04.480 on cleveland or something yeah yeah that's where it's from the cleveland cleveland avenue and it's like

02:05:08.480 you know there was a big i think in 2011 there was a big indictment on the cleveland avenue

02:05:11.920 gang right and it was like just bro like how do you obviously it's it's hard for me to comprehend

02:05:17.760 because i haven't been in those street situations i'll throw my hands up and say you know it's hard

02:05:21.200 for me to comprehend what it's like when you're actually born into an area to a situation where

02:05:24.480 you're being enticed into gangs yeah but i just feel like at least for thug it was and i even expressed

02:05:28.480 this in my video it hit a certain point where it's just like you got to leave that behind and focus

02:05:32.160 on the music he was in the industry big artist you know like i say there's there's that footage of him

02:05:37.680 with nut the guy that got killed and third man on a yacht like yo this is not he's one of the biggest

02:05:42.720 bloods in america yeah and you think bro you're already on the yacht like how are you getting all

02:05:46.640 twisted into the dirt and people are dying and then you're you know it's coming back to get you like

02:05:50.640 seven years after the fact it's just like bro like how that murder is what sparked everything the

02:05:55.600 the murder of uh peanut in 2015 is what sparked the fight with yfn and everything else like that and

02:06:02.000 then also uh i know people know this like they got thug as is the dude that ordered little bay

02:06:08.000 little wayne's tour bus to get shot at man that's another crazy story you know but then that's that's

02:06:12.320 like starts implicating you know you've got kind of bird man in the mix and shit and it's just kind

02:06:15.760 of like bro this this stuff gets twisted but i think they want thug hard they want to make an

02:06:19.840 example and you can tell thug spent years flexing on the atlanta police they hated him bro he was

02:06:26.080 flexing private jets driving crazy nice cars like just being a menace to the community

02:06:31.760 they want to put him away for sure it's personal yeah for sure yeah that da and the other thing

02:06:35.760 too is that um the district attorney that that got sworn in like she was real big on like i'm going

02:06:39.840 to clean up the streets and um you know this is how they want to do it they want to go after all

02:06:43.920 these atlanta gangs to be honest with you they've been saying for a while oh little baby's next

02:06:47.760 pf's next and it's just like man and you think about the level that he's got i would say

02:06:52.560 little baby has he surpassed thug i don't know if maybe you could say that uh yeah yeah and

02:06:59.600 popularity you mean yeah i would a little baby to me now nowadays is like the modern day wayne

02:07:05.200 like as far as like being everywhere and like getting on any song and like he did like the

02:07:09.200 world cup anthem and yeah like it's just still being like yeah still i mean i don't know if he

02:07:13.920 has the same takeover effect as wayne did back in like 2008 2010 ish but he's definitely doing what

02:07:20.160 wayne did back then where he's like jumping on everybody's song yeah giving a verse he's still

02:07:24.720 lyrically sound etc so wayne um little baby right now reminds me of wayne and like oh wait but i

02:07:30.080 think wayne did it better well i think the thing about baby is it's like he he he's street but he

02:07:34.720 still has a lot of commercial appeal whereas i feel like thug he had a few big so i mean his biggest

02:07:39.520 song was the feature he did on that camilla cabello song havana right which is like very out of

02:07:43.200 character for thug he didn't want to do the song but i feel like baby's just got more of that street

02:07:47.280 but works for commercial appeal whereas thug you know he was just like the sort of street

02:07:52.000 weirdo that had some commercial hits but street stuff has made a comeback yeah and in my like like

02:07:56.880 uh it used to be i remember like you know oh four to like 2008 2010 like that street wasn't like yeah

02:08:06.480 it was like more club music etc like i mean hell even in the into the 2010s if you think about it

02:08:11.520 like street rap wasn't like a thing like that you had the kendrick lamar's like you know in that era

02:08:16.320 the big sean's whatever like these guys are the ones that like took over in the early 2010s

02:08:20.560 i wouldn't consider them street artists i feel like there was a big shift when it was sort of

02:08:24.720 like you had kanye coming through and then he kind of like he dukes it out with 50 cent and 50 cent was

02:08:30.000 almost like the 50 cent wave was sort of that that sort of last echo of the street yes rap i got shot

02:08:36.640 nine times he made it through yeah he kind of made it a bit more commercial and then it was sort of like

02:08:40.560 kanye took over they had their battle and then like you say you know bringing through people like big

02:08:44.480 sean and stuff and yeah but it's like man i put this is my theory and i know a lot of people disagree

02:08:49.760 with me this is quite controversial theory but i think ironically it was six nine that brought

02:08:54.560 real gangster rap back because before he was a snitch basically him being the rainbow head guy but

02:09:00.480 he was a real blood and they were really shooting at people and they were going to pop chief keith

02:09:03.760 like obviously chicago drill was a huge wave but it didn't it didn't go completely mainstream like

02:09:09.280 you couldn't say chief keith was a mainstream artist yeah really but like you know now that dirk is

02:09:15.040 2012 he broke into the mainstream and like he exposed the world to chicago drill but it kind of

02:09:20.560 like dimmed at that point but but the funny thing is it took kanye putting him on the i don't like

02:09:25.920 remix to bring chief keith to everyone right yeah so then it was like but chief keith was never a

02:09:30.320 mainstream artist whereas now street music is number one lil dirk is is right at the top of the charts

02:09:35.600 when dirk did that song with drake that was sort of the moment where everyone was like oh he's from the

02:09:39.680 rack but he is you know i think that was a number two billboard so you would say you so you think dirt

02:09:43.680 did more for chicago than than keith in the mainstream yes you think so chief keith's the

02:09:48.960 pioneer but i feel like dirk is like he's the one that he's like the 50 cent of chicago drill you know

02:09:54.640 what i mean you know that's a good argument um because i i remember when keith blew up i was in

02:09:58.880 college and that's when i because here's the thing so i stopped listening to hip-hop in like 2009

02:10:04.880 because i started to get angry with all the the the watered down stuff and drake was starting to take

02:10:08.880 over i was never a fan of drake's era was like oh nine so even to this day but this is when he

02:10:13.360 started to pop off i stopped listening to hip-hop i was big into edm what made me come back to hip-hop

02:10:18.000 was chief keith yeah in 2012 when i heard out online i was like finally yeah we got some like you know

02:10:23.600 aggressive music again instead of this other stuff because no offense i know something i might get mad

02:10:27.440 about this but i didn't really like kendrick lamar like that i didn't care about big sean i didn't listen

02:10:31.440 to any of these artists bro like i was like if i want to listen to that type of i'm gonna go listen to eminem

02:10:35.120 you know what i mean i i think eminem is the real deal you want to listen to lyrics go to eminem

02:10:39.840 right um or i'll listen to naz i'll listen to jay-z so uh and i know a lot of people i love j cole

02:10:44.640 whatever i don't listen to none of them sorry guys i'm too old right and then chief keep brought me

02:10:49.360 back in because i like because i like that drill stuff then i said you know i was not listening to

02:10:54.800 that stuff for a bit and then you're right bro i mean i ain't gonna lie six nine brought me back to

02:10:59.040 to to new york hip-hop too before people could talk shit about six nine but yeah before but he

02:11:03.600 was making bangers yeah i mean billy um kuda um all of his songs that came out like in 2017 2018

02:11:10.800 he was just were bangers he was on a robot song after song oh bobby shmurda too bobby shmurda

02:11:15.440 brought me back oh bobby shmurda it was short-lived it was short-lived it was too real like yeah chief

02:11:20.720 key brought me in 2012 bobby shmurda came out 2014 right yeah i i started listening to hip-hop again he got

02:11:26.880 locked up immediately they didn't wait long he was in jail like a year later right him and rowdy

02:11:31.760 and then i didn't make a return hip-hop again until you know what bro that's a good point

02:11:35.920 people hate six nine but yo he did bring he brought the gangster back he did bring it back and i feel

02:11:40.720 like he kind of he peeps what worked for bobby shmurda and then he was like i'm just gonna build

02:11:45.120 this persona and do this yeah even though i'm not really a blood yeah and it just all worked and then

02:11:49.760 it was ironic because it felt like then he was beefing with dirk i mean he was on ig live this and fbg duck

02:11:55.040 yeah i think ironically his fake blood persona and the songs were genuinely good yeah brought

02:12:00.560 more shine back to the real gangsters he was beefing with saying he was gonna shoot at chief keith

02:12:04.480 gonna gonna beef with all this stuff because he went after all the the drill artists that cemented

02:12:09.680 their legacy before him he did and then i think the funny thing is when he got when he got his case

02:12:15.360 which was huge news and then when he got exposed as a snitch then everybody gravitated towards the real

02:12:20.720 dudes and then when you got to 2018 it was all king von era because von was speaking with six

02:12:25.680 nine for a little bit yeah when six nine was out but then all the attention shifted to von

02:12:30.000 young boy real gangsters making commercial music i don't think it's changed since then yeah you know

02:12:35.440 you're right dude because people forget as much as people talk about and i know somebody i was saying

02:12:39.920 like kendrick and j cole in the chat or whatever yeah guys i didn't listen to that whole era of rap i

02:12:43.920 mean i don't i'm sorry like from the in 2010s i didn't really listen to those guys um i'm sure they're

02:12:49.040 great artists but i don't know enough um that like that whole area is blank for me i was too busy

02:12:53.520 listening to edm back then yeah um i love edm too but anyway um with six nine when he came back out

02:13:02.320 um when he when he came out with the stuff people forget right they want to karma central and other

02:13:06.880 stuff if you go back to his music videos everybody that he was around was verified you know he was there

02:13:11.280 with mel murder he was there with like high level five star bloods like he was that's why people really

02:13:17.440 that's why he used to talk the way he did because he was around the top dudes in in new york city when

02:13:22.560 it came to to the bloods and the billy so and on top of that like new york is not like um like la or

02:13:28.160 a lot of these other places in new york they have alliances like bloods and there's bloods and crips

02:13:32.080 they go fight other bloods right so um in new york it was all about neighborhoods right that's why

02:13:38.080 like you look at like the woo and shit right pop was a crip but there was he bunch of had he had a bunch

02:13:43.360 of friends that were bloods and they they went after the gds they aligned so the gang life in

02:13:47.600 new york is a lot different than in california it's like um certain sets deal with certain sets

02:13:52.080 regardless of flag color just because of who they represent more neighborhoods so um so yeah six and

02:13:57.360 i definitely put the light back on new york for new york drill which opened it up right for uh you know

02:14:04.160 people like 22 g's goes to pop and pop smoke obviously was popping too at this point well no when

02:14:08.480 the possible it really popped off like 2018 yeah well he's a funny one around the same time

02:14:13.280 yeah yeah because he was an interesting one because he kind of had a lot of overlap with

02:14:16.560 the uk drill scene right because he was rapping on the uk beats he he did that song welcome to the party

02:14:21.280 which got a big remix from skepta who's like you know yes one of the biggest in the uk as far as grime

02:14:26.240 goes and so it was like he had this really great movement that was this sort of like american gangster

02:14:31.200 shit but with these uk inspired beats and it was kind of party welcome to the party it's a party song

02:14:35.520 yeah but it was some gangster shit and it was just like this amazing wave but yeah it was that

02:14:39.680 2018 was like the peak of the peak of pop smoke as far as like yeah you know like deor coming out and

02:14:45.520 stuff yeah but i think yeah six and i came out 2017 was it 2017 i think billy came out in in in 2017

02:14:54.000 2017 and kuda and stuff i mean we could look it up because his run was like quite short it was very

02:15:00.160 short because he was in prison by november of 2018 if i'm not mistaken end of the year yeah

02:15:06.400 because i remember he came out with dummy boy like a couple days before he went to jail i feel like

02:15:11.920 did gummo come out in the end of 2016 i could be wrong but chris can we search it real quick

02:15:17.360 can you type it type in gunmo 69 i mean if i had to guess i'm gonna say gummo came out like

02:15:23.520 now maybe oh shit maybe it was 2017.

02:15:28.400 yeah yeah that was such a hard song bro and he comes on with a rainbow hair all the bloods around

02:15:34.560 him it's like it's like who i smoke you know that moment when who i smoke switches from their playing

02:15:38.800 golf classical music to then it's like i'm just doing your shit like that was the same for gummo

02:15:42.960 it's just like with the blicky uh and all the bloods rainbow hair didn't make any sense and it's

02:15:47.440 just you can't you're like what the hell you have to watch no but there was no disputing it because

02:15:51.280 the people who was with were all verified you know what i mean yeah yeah and so it was undeniable

02:15:57.200 okay let's see here five years ago damn five years ago already oh october 2017 yep yeah so yeah so so

02:16:04.720 he popped up before possible did look at just like bro like the guy's got rainbow hairs got six lines

02:16:10.080 tired the bloods are out there's a bit where they've got all the weed on the top of the car yeah it's like

02:16:14.480 pounds of weed yeah it's that shotty with a gun out yeah i've watched this video so many times forensic

02:16:19.280 analysis you can see uh uh shoddy right there right but yeah bro like i mean this was this this was uh

02:16:27.120 so you answer me this right yeah would the feds look at the weeds yeah look at the weed with the

02:16:31.520 feds that worked on this case would they have had to sit and watch this over and over again and

02:16:35.200 analyzing everything oh yeah bro i'd be like yeah i would uh i made a joke about this if you type in

02:16:39.920 type in uh casting over real quick big ape uh chris like i'll show you all like how how feds go watch

02:16:46.000 music videos right so like this video i'd be pausing and i'd be looking at who's who identifying

02:16:51.600 each person and then i already know bam that that dude's a gang member etc this one they actually used

02:16:57.840 this music video in their case to identify people oh bro uh for casanova's case against uh gorilla stone

02:17:05.920 uh apes yeah right so you know what i mean like yeah like you know yeah casanova was sort of like the

02:17:13.920 real version of 69 yeah the music i i there's a few casanova songs i really like and he definitely

02:17:19.120 he definitely didn't tell he's doing that 20 plus he's a real ass yeah yeah did he get a sentence or

02:17:24.000 is it still ongoing i think he's getting i don't know if he got sentenced yet but i know he played

02:17:28.400 guilty like he's he's like you know they're saying it was like from him just being in group chats and

02:17:32.880 on instagram talking to the to the members and shit like yep bro you you know once you get on in music

02:17:38.160 you really do have to completely separate yourself from that yeah yeah and the thing is is that casanova

02:17:42.560 was in uh it wasn't i would consider it like a middle high position right where he was like

02:17:47.280 right underneath the the big dudes like the big dudes for these guys was a guy named dick wolf

02:17:51.440 when i looked at the indictment who was the the main blood out of uh out of new york they're like

02:17:56.960 the top dude so but cas was like maybe two or three levels under him so right but and i guarantee you

02:18:03.920 they tried to get him to probably talk because he was in a perfect position to be able to provide

02:18:07.040 information yeah because he's high up enough to know what the hell's going on but at the same time

02:18:10.400 low enough where they can get hot guys higher than him which is exactly where 69 found himself

02:18:14.480 which is why 69 was able to negotiate such a great uh deal because he was high enough to be able to

02:18:20.880 high enough to know enough and low enough to help them get people like mel murder and all these other

02:18:25.840 guys that are really the top dudes well that's the interesting thing right because in contrast to the

02:18:30.240 young thug situation with 69 there was genuinely real gangsters at the top of the pyramid they were

02:18:35.280 actually trying to take off the streets before 69 was even involved 100 whereas with thug that kind of

02:18:40.080 is the top guy thug is the guy thug is the guy and then that's where and also it's a state case too so

02:18:45.760 you know and they've been they've been going after him for a while you know what i mean the police are

02:18:50.560 always going to feel some type of way if you like ridicule them or make fun of them and i mean let's

02:18:53.920 be honest man his lyrics are brazen as hell uh shot at his mommy and he no longer mentioned me bro i was

02:18:58.560 like what the like bro it's it's it's almost like you gotta wonder what was going through his head when

02:19:02.640 he was in the booth of like yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna say this stuff like i'm gonna say i'll show his mom

02:19:07.840 because i did shoot at his mom and doesn't mention me anymore because he doesn't it's like

02:19:12.400 what's the thought process that's just one lyric like when i went through the indictment i did a

02:19:16.400 whole thing on this there are several songs and lyrics that they're using as against him as evidence

02:19:22.480 well it's not just thug as wild the artists like yak got he's got hella hella lyrics where they're

02:19:26.400 talking about we smoked your og like we we did this we did that like bro like that and and as well it's

02:19:33.040 like you can't you can't build the label around the criminal gang and then it's like the same dudes

02:19:38.800 that are the shooters in the gang of your signed artists and shit like it's probably like at some

02:19:42.160 point you just have to be like i've made it out the streets i'm going to sign some actual artists

02:19:45.520 not just not just the shooters like yeah and that's and that's the thing nowadays is like it's all about

02:19:49.840 like signing guys that are real but hey when you sign people that are real well you're going to

02:19:53.920 face a lot of real problems yeah and they're going to be in jail and everything else like that you look

02:19:57.440 at like 10 17 all of them are a prison brah you know what i mean well gucci main went through that

02:20:01.920 so it's sort of like he took that template for his success you know i wonder if it's lucrative to be

02:20:06.560 honest like signing these artists that go to jail and owning their catalog and making the money while

02:20:10.640 they're in jail who's sheisty he didn't get enough recording done before he went to jail i feel like if

02:20:15.120 he had the two or three more mixtapes in the can he'd be he'd be sitting comfy yeah it'd be all right

02:20:18.720 it was just that one hard mixtape that he had yeah and then like i've just had to keep that on repeat

02:20:23.120 because there's no more sexy music yeah there's nothing yeah and that's yeah that's true there's

02:20:28.640 a couple artists like that that are like you know probably facing rico and diamonds are going to go

02:20:32.400 to jail very soon i mean hot boys and that same things yeah where they got the the the thing but

02:20:36.960 he's putting a lot of music out bro you got that's the thing man when you know that those charges are

02:20:40.800 hovering over your head you better drop a mixtape yeah you're like kobe bryant when when he was

02:20:44.800 going through that case uh you know the dude was dropping 80 points every night you know i mean granted he

02:20:49.840 was innocent we all know that because that girl was capping but yeah dude it's it's just wild

02:20:54.480 shit with with hip-hop it's there's a magnifying glass on hip-hop now more than ever before thanks

02:20:59.520 to internet it's more violent than it's ever been before i mean i remember when it was just used to

02:21:02.960 be music bro it's no longer just music yeah at all it's it's true crime mixed with music now the drill

02:21:09.600 stuff and let's be real is very interesting it is it is you can't i can't stop listening to the

02:21:15.600 shit it's like this murder music it's so bad fine but it exists it's chicago started it i would say

02:21:20.880 chicago started it when they said a tuca gang what's this and then bam that just opened the

02:21:24.720 door for dissing dead ops yeah right and then uh and then i would say bobby schmerder took the torch

02:21:30.480 and continued it uh mitch caught a body about a week ago like he throws his hair on the head

02:21:37.600 out of the thing and it was real like if they really did get mitch really i guess we did catch a

02:21:41.440 body about a week ago and then that's where it's like okay now we're going to start blending the street

02:21:45.360 shit with the rap shit and then bam next thing you know you know you got people like young and age

02:21:49.600 disinops you got fully old disinops um and all real shit like yeah there you homie got smoked all about

02:21:55.120 that was unheard of bro back in the day i remember gucci main was really the first person to do it when

02:22:01.760 he talked about young jeezy's guy getting killed yeah and everyone was like whoa yeah what's wrong with

02:22:06.720 you granted gucci man had a good reason right that he got robbed three dudes broke into the house and he

02:22:11.520 shot killed one of them and one of them was young jeezy's guy and at the time him and young jeezy had

02:22:15.200 issued you know there's there's debates that like young jeezy offered them 10 000 to kill gucci

02:22:19.840 right but uh regardless like that i remember that was like very taboo like whoa you actually killed

02:22:24.880 someone you're talking about the dead that's unacceptable nowadays it's like ah let's pull

02:22:28.960 on uh let's put on a miley cyrus beat it hey that's what class was coming next yeah bro that's the disney

02:22:34.800 drilling mixtape yeah dude it's it's it's a different era man it is a different era it has changed

02:22:40.640 significantly now it's out there you know with the internet social media etc and you know clout

02:22:45.840 is everything nowadays like they they want clout so they oh yeah i killed him yeah you know and and

02:22:51.680 and yeah king von definitely has a bunch of bodies bro everybody knows this you know what i mean like

02:22:56.480 i am not condoning it let's stop the violence but at the same time if if you're doing the violence and

02:23:01.680 you're rapping about it we're gonna listen to it i'm gonna we're gonna be looking up the streets you said

02:23:06.240 you smoked an op on yeah because this is the modern age this is the internet yeah you can't

02:23:10.240 talk about smoking somebody and have not people not look it up yeah this is the age we're living in

02:23:14.320 of course and and and i mean now a lot of this stuff is coming to fruition i mean they pretty much

02:23:19.520 had him as the main suspect for ki right they could put it they put it out after he passed away like yeah

02:23:24.000 we we he was he was the main guy that we think killed the von story is particularly crazy because

02:23:28.560 it's like he was supposedly the guy that was putting in crazy amounts of work in the streets

02:23:33.680 allegedly killing numerous people but then rapping about like he had this he clearly got this

02:23:40.480 enjoyment out of rapping about it you know it was almost like he was going so close to the line as

02:23:44.880 far as like hinting that he did these crimes and you know the the twist at the end of the tail bro like

02:23:50.960 it's crazy but you know he died in completely unrelated situation never got to face up to the to the

02:23:57.440 consequences of stuff he was allegedly involved in and uh you know i think i i often wonder about you

02:24:03.520 you know the people and the families of the people that von allegedly you know had something to do with

02:24:06.720 killing and it's just like man do you know what must that have felt like hearing all that music

02:24:10.400 and the charts you know billboard charting songs yeah right situations bro it's tragic like that's

02:24:15.600 true it's crazy like he literally like you know like chief keith made a career off of saying

02:24:21.120 fuck tuca yeah right and a bunch of other guys too right like uh you know a dirk and and uh and

02:24:26.960 von you know we still said tuca in my lungs i'm like god damn bro he died like 10 years ago y'all still

02:24:32.240 talking about this he was like a kid it goes it goes to show like the deep-seated hatred between

02:24:37.760 o-block and um um fbg it was just it was like bro they literally hit them and the crazy part is like

02:24:44.960 yo they're a couple blocks from each other you know what i mean and von was like yeah we keep

02:24:48.720 a scorecard all this other stuff so and and the thing is too you know i think it's very interesting

02:24:53.200 i watch a lot of interviews of people that knew von and speak about him and one thing that i've noticed

02:24:56.800 that every single interviewee says about von is that yeah he was he was about that for real he was

02:25:01.840 crazy 7 00 a.m he's talking about let's go out and drill yeah what the hell you know like and and

02:25:06.560 you know normally if one person tells you something okay let me see here but when multiple people say

02:25:11.600 the same exact thing in different interviews at different points in time right he was he was like

02:25:18.320 that life he did that he probably has the most bodies of any rapper of any rapper brother that like

02:25:25.280 actually like made it so someone will come through and because people are incentivized to do this

02:25:30.560 shit now that's the craziest thing i'm not condoning it but it's like someone will come

02:25:33.600 through and do worse because that's just how it works you know what i mean someone out there

02:25:36.960 it's probably got eight bodies and they're just like you know what time to start that rap career

02:25:41.040 it's fucked up that's the age we're living in yeah yeah i mean it's wild man i mean i mean he beat

02:25:46.640 that what that murder case where he clearly was a shooter but the other guy didn't want to cooperate

02:25:50.560 yeah you know uh malcolm stucky i think that was it yeah yeah bro baffling like i don't know chicago pd

02:25:58.320 don't know what they're doing yeah dude i don't know what they're doing either bro that's why the

02:26:01.840 mbi had to step in on that fbg shit and they stepped in because they killed him in a terrible

02:26:06.160 area like they killed him on the go bro okay listen i want to kill each other go do that all black

02:26:10.000 dude over here the gucci store nah man you know what's crazy the amount of time that they got away

02:26:14.560 with that for it was like because that happened and i think i forget i want to say that was uh yeah

02:26:20.480 they didn't come back and arrest them for a while it was august 2020 that they killed duck and then von

02:26:26.160 died two years later and they didn't arrest them for like what over a year after von died i guess

02:26:30.320 because they wanted von no didn't von die that year he died a few months later yeah he died a few months

02:26:34.400 later november and he died november of 2020 but it didn't take many years for them to pick up the

02:26:38.800 guys for doing yeah it took some time it took some time but the feds rico case always take long and

02:26:42.800 then also i'm sure von getting killed through a wrench in their system yeah because i i was talking about

02:26:47.520 this before um if von was alive today he would be the primary target of that rico case 100 i just

02:26:52.880 sometimes wonder whether they'll try and tie dirk into something because he's trying he's hanging

02:26:57.280 with all the same guys you know oh dude they're definitely trying i i would not be surprised if

02:27:01.520 there isn't a open fbi case right now on dirk for racketeering would not be a surprise whatsoever

02:27:08.320 well they dropped the attempted murder charges that dirk had with von him and von caught that

02:27:12.400 attempted murder in atlanta and they dropped that and it makes you wonder like are they dropping that

02:27:16.640 to catching with something bigger down the line or is he i'll tell you this that could be done

02:27:21.200 because i've had it before where um because you can't charge someone on the same crime into

02:27:26.080 federal and state right so a lot of the times if i had a stronger case let's say i'll give you a

02:27:30.640 simple example of this someone gets caught with a gun in possession right a felony possession charge

02:27:35.200 well every state has a felony possession statute right but there's a federal one i would have to

02:27:39.840 tell the ada hey can you drop your state felony possession case we're going to charge them federally

02:27:44.400 they drop theirs and then bam now we can hit them federally so it might not be a good thing that

02:27:47.840 they dropped that case in atlanta because they can go ahead and say no we want to describe that

02:27:52.000 as a pattern of racketeering in this overall thing because lorico all they really got to do is show

02:27:56.400 that there's a pattern of crimes and furtherance of the gang which in this case the king is going

02:27:59.680 to be old block they've already established that this is a gang that has uh recognition etc they've

02:28:05.600 identified members whatever they they could they consider it the enterprise federally so i mean it could

02:28:10.320 that could be a component of it where they have a case they're building a case against them and they

02:28:14.640 need the state to drop that so they can go ahead and put it into the federal thing bro if dirt

02:28:18.160 court case the bit they've got dirt caught the big one that would be the biggest story in hip-hop

02:28:22.080 for years man yeah bro i'm a big duck fan so hopefully not but yeah and then yeah and they're all bd

02:28:28.320 so that's that's easy right it's under the gang against the disciples umbrella so you know black

02:28:32.400 disciples gangsta disciples there they used to be one but bro they split off it's serious man

02:28:37.040 hopefully not uh not guilty and i'm filthy diddy and then uh thank you about that blind controller and

02:28:42.160 then uh most of their lingo comes from undertones of atlanta trap culture you have to demonstrate

02:28:46.160 hospitality as well as dark try to hustle effectively and then three diglets hanson mmbop changed the game

02:28:52.080 for me i don't know what that is i don't know i don't know what that is chris it's a you know kind

02:28:59.680 of pretty song okay fair enough uh uh anything else you want to hit man or we write this thing up no

02:29:04.960 man this has been fire thank you for having me man thank you for showing me love it's so good to

02:29:08.480 come to miami and link up and it's always great talking to you see the scenes i think the people

02:29:12.080 really enjoyed it too guys just shooting the bro it's been lit so hopefully be back again soon yo

02:29:17.680 guys all his links i'm going to put them below subscribe can we pull up his channel no what's

02:29:22.080 this sorry here it is awesome oh that doesn't look like something i'll be listening to what the hell

02:29:28.720 oh man that's hilarious yeah guys uh rockwood ross guys great content man a lot of the stuff i'll

02:29:34.800 probably cover because a lot of them ask me for jacksonville stuff i'll probably cover uh that and

02:29:39.040 i'm definitely going to use his video on that the best documentary by far thank you on uh on the

02:29:44.800 jacksonville situation there's a lot of new updates on that i mean yo and ace even watched it oh yeah

02:29:49.200 man ace watched it fully i said he didn't watch it but i think he might have watched it low-key yeah

02:29:53.280 he definitely watched you know what i'm saying yeah he's like wait how do you know all this

02:29:56.240 shit but there's been a lot of there's been a lot of updates in jacksonville a lot of different

02:30:00.000 development so i'm excited to see what you do on it because i feel like it's been nearly two years

02:30:04.480 maybe since i covered it so man there'll be a lot of new info i'm excited to see what you do yeah

02:30:08.480 okay so is though bro him and his dad's flipping on him yeah that flipped on him yep that's the latest

02:30:13.760 information so that yeah he case always done he's 100 he's going to jail he's gonna have to smoke his

02:30:18.960 dad bro yeah and it's like yo how do you like bro all he did was talk about bibi like you were the

02:30:24.240 killer he would wear baby jersey and shit thinking it was funny that goes to show you how crazy it's

02:30:29.920 gotten these days because he was doing that for his music for his clout and look where he is now yeah

02:30:35.200 it's fucked yeah man guys don't join gangs don't commit murders man yeah just listen to the music

02:30:40.160 keep it music only facts but other than that guys go check out trap law ross go check out his uh

02:30:44.880 clips channel which is trap more ross right clips i got travel ross trap trap law clips

02:30:50.480 trap more clips and then trap more ross which i'm gonna i think i'm gonna make that like a

02:30:55.040 streaming channel okay that was just like a throwaway channel i was just doing random stuff

02:30:58.240 on okay um but traveler ross travel clips that's the main thing bam guys go check him out man uh

02:31:04.240 we'll catch you guys uh on the next episode of fed it no no no thursday episode this was your episode

02:31:08.480 man hope y'all guys enjoyed this chopping it up with a good friend here and uh yeah man i wish you a

02:31:12.160 safe trip back to the uk appreciate it man thank you for having me peace out guys

02:31:15.440 a special agent with homelands investigations okay guys hsi the cases that i did mostly were

02:31:23.520 human smuggling and drug trafficking no one else has these documents by the way here's what

02:31:29.680 fed it covers doctor lafredo confirmed lacerations due to

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - January 20, 2023

Fed & @TrapLoreRoss Discuss Tate Arrest, How Feds Do Cases, YSL RICO, Hop Hop, Drill, and MORE!

Episode Stats

Length

Words per Minute

Word Count

Sentence Count

Misogynist Sentences

Hate Speech Sentences

Summary

Transcript