Former DHS Special Agent And Former CIA Analyst Larry Johnson Discuss The US⧸Israel-Iran War!
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On today's show, we have a guest on the show, former U.S. Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) commander and former Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Organization (JIEDDO) Director, Larry Werneth. Larry talks about his time in the Joint Improving Communications System (JISCO) and what it's like being a JIEDDO Director.
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all right we are live what's up guys welcome to the stream i know it looks crazy right now i'm
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gonna adjust a bit but uh larry how you doing man i'm well i'm sitting outside smoking a cigar
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What is that reverb? Hold on one sec, I'll fix it
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okay um are we good now you can hear me right larry oh yeah yeah okay it's on the fight all
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alone yeah there was some word weird reverb here i don't know what that was man i hate so much uh
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it's always it's always the comms yeah and it's like always always the comms it's like the
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government police can never figure it out now oh here we hear me right yeah no there was a okay
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there's a time back in 2000 2001 i was working at port bragg on an exercise general doug brown was
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And the exercise involved, they had a new aircraft
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So we were to test to see if he could have communication
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So, you know, he's at Pope Army Airfield, takes all.
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So the bottom line, we never, we never did get the comms to work.
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we're talking about the head of the joint special operations command.
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You know, the only thing above them is like the guy,
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joint chiefs of staff and uh so even even the best stuff didn't work yeah it's like and it
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always happens at the worst time right it never happens when it's like oh i'm doing a test or
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something right like we just did a little mic check everything was fine now you know some weird
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reverb comes but um real quick larry i know who you are but um for the people that don't know who
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you are uh can you please introduce yourself well right now i'm an old guy uh so um i started with
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the central intelligence agency in 1985 i was in a career trainee program spent four years there
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got fed up left went was invited to take a job at state department in the office of counterterrorism
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which i did i was a deputy director for transportation security anti-terrorism training
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assistance and that supported the special operations community stayed there for four
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years i got out started my own consulting business was this in the 90s right you were
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you were with yeah so i was i was state 89 to 93 okay and then uh with both cia and state
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cia was 85 to 89 okay so and then i moved uh moved from uh state from cia to state in october
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of 89 okay yeah so then you went private after that then i went uh private but uh started working
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in 1994 with a consulting firm uh where where we scripted exercises for the joint special
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operations command uh u.s special operations forces for the people that don't know can you
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explain what that is for those that might not know what that is yeah it's uh it's based at
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Fort Bragg, and it oversees Delta Force, SEAL Team 6,
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Task Force 160, which are the Night Stalkers helicopters,
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and a number of other actually classified units.
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Those used to be classified units, but now they've been all over television
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My job was to script the State Department messages,
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This is simulating as if Secretary of State was sending a message out or some ambassador was sending a message back to state.
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And then it was all it was all designed to test, you know, create scenarios where the U.S. military, you know, Delta Force or SEAL Team 6 would have to deploy to a particular location and carry out an operation.
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So I did that. And I also did a product counterfeiting investigation overseas, money laundering investigations.
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And now I spend most of my time as a firearms instructor.
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So obviously right now we're in a very pivotal moment in American and Middle Eastern history for that matter.
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Some crazy things have happened over the past few weeks with the conflict with Iran.
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I know obviously you've been in the government for a while, or a while ago, and even back in the 80s, they were trying to start something with Iran.
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What are your thoughts on the conflict, how Trump is handling it?
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and you can kind of just go and break it down however you feel.
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Iran has gotten a very bad rap from the beginning.
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We're always told that they're the number one sponsor of terrorism.
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Not by a – nowhere close, not even in the ballpark.
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lie number two is they've killed thousands of americans also not true uh the thing that you
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know i hear a lot of americans say well god they they chant death to america what have we done to
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them well let me tell you so yeah the we we uh overthrew a democratically elected government in
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1954 with teddy roosevelt's uh son a kermit not the frog kermit roosevelt uh installed the shawl
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who ran a pretty brutal regime and he was overthrown by a popular uprising it was not
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organized by cia in fact that's sort of what has pissed cia off all these years that the people
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actually rose up throughout the shah and established an islamic republic so the any group of students
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they got mad at the united states when we brought when we took uh the shah of iran in california
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And so they captured our embassy in Tehran, took a bunch of people hostage, and I knew a couple of them.
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And so in September of 1980, Jimmy Carter's president, Zbigniew Brzezinski, his national security advisor,
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and um they decide to give saddam there's this guy saddam hussein don't know if you've ever
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heard of him no i have no idea he was running a rock and they said hey saddam you know if you
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want to invade iran these new crazy mullahs you got our backing buddy and so saddam did started
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a war ronald reagan comes in in january 81 as a as a guy working for him named don rumsfeld
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And Don Rumsfeld travels to Iraq to meet with Saddam Hussein and to offer Saddam Hussein precursor chemicals.
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Chemicals for what? For making a chemical weapon, a weapon of mass destruction.
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And so in August of 1983, Iran, with our assistance, builds its first chemical weapon, launches it against Iran.
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And then from August of 83 to August of 1988, Iran launched a total, I mean, Iraq launched a total of 20 chemical weapon attacks against Iran.
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And what did those dastardly mullahs do in Tehran?
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They did not use chemical weapons in retaliation.
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They stayed away from it because they viewed it as a sin.
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uh also during this time there's a former you know calling a former friend of mine simply
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because he's deceased uh walter patrick lang who set up the arabic program at west point in 1975
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76 he was the defense attaché to saudi arabia and yemen he later went on to become chief of
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the middle east division of defense intelligence agencies and lo and behold 1987 1988 his job was
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to hand carry U.S. government intelligence to the government of Iraq so they could use it to kill
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Iranians. As a result of U.S. assistance to the government of Iraq, more than 300,000 Iranians
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died. So when someone says, well, why do they can't death to America? That's why. That's one
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big reason why another reason is um in my former office at state uh the the time is called the
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coordinator for counterterrorists in 1997 they designated a foreign terrorist organization
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called the mek m-e-k-mujahideen as a as a terrorist organization then when we invaded
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Iraq in 2003, because Saddam was now no longer our friend, we discovered that the Mech had set
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up a camp there in Iraq, and they were attacking Iran. So what happened? The CIA took them under
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their wing, my old outfit, and then eventually moved them to Albania, provided them weapons,
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provided them training, provided them money, and then the Mech was used to carry out terrorist
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attacks in iran so my point is the united states likes to play like it's the victim
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and by god we're the terrorists not iran we're the terrorists yeah and the americans are going
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wait a second guys i just i'll show you the record you show me one terrorist attack that iran is
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carrying out in the united states just one and you can't because it hasn't happened yeah um they'll
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say well what about the marine barracks in october 1983 yeah what about that they love that one
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U.S. battleships off the shore of Lebanon were shelling into the Bacaw Valley, killing Shia women, children, men who were not combatants.
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People who lose family members that we've attacked.
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People who lose family members as a result of U.S. military action, they might hold a grudge occasionally.
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Again, it was attacking a military target, though.
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Definition of terrorism, the use of violence against civilians for political purposes.
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Because if you're using violence against guys in uniform, sorry, that's called war, okay?
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You get to wear a uniform, carry a gun, you get to shoot back if you get the chance.
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And if your luck's against you and you die, you die.
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Yeah. So this entire thing, you know, now we jump ahead to December 26, meeting in Geneva.
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The Iranians come out and say, yeah, that's a pretty good meeting. We got some progress. We
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think there's more to talk about. We'll see you guys on Monday. And that would have been Monday,
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March 2nd. Yep. Except on Saturday, February 28th, the United States and Israel in a way like
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the japanese did to us at pearl harbor in 1941 december 7th launched a surprise attack that
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tried to decapitate the the iranian leadership and we killed 175 school girls ages 6 to 12
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and there was a three three three day old baby in the lot too just to you know so uh and gee for
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some reason the iranians got upset can you imagine yeah i mean it's like why can't they just sit there
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and take a beating from us without getting upset and so they turned around and said okay this is
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war and we've been at war now that the the israelis had convinced donald trump that oh
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we just kill these guys and piece of cake we'll be over in four days four days yeah like stock
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market will be back on monday tuesday we'll be back recovered we'll get this thing done i think
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the venezuela operation really uh increased uh trump's hubris and he really thought i could get
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this done over a weekend we'll decapitate and everything and you know because i've been covering
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the war extensively right and i've watched you on different other shows and uh you did an interview
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with my friend uh soliman which i was like oh this is fantastic so um you know and obviously
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getting yeah he's a good guy so and getting your insight would be great so like okay so we've been
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in this quagmire for three weeks right it looks like one day trump is saying this then he's saying
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this price of energy has gone up ridiculously we're talking about 20 straighter humus is pretty
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much closed unless you're paying 2 million bucks to get by uh qatar's natural gas is pretty much
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cooked with lng being down um the iranians have targeted intelligently the gulf to put more
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pressure on the united states etc right and we're kind of like in a weird spot right now where i
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think it's pretty clear that air power is not you know accomplishing all the strategic objectives
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um and now there's talk about this karg island um you know invasion that's the latest with the
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conflict um what are your thoughts about where we are now what are your thoughts about the meu
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allegedly you know invading this the karg island or is that going to be a diversion for something
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else what's your thoughts on all that okay i'll get into that in a second i want to ask you a
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question sure so think back to your time in high school middle school what were you told how did
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the war in the pacific against the japanese in world war ii and what brought that to an end
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the atomic bomb as well as um stalin uh invading and getting closer to japan okay i'm glad you
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added the last part because most americans are brainwashed oh it was the atomic bomb
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no it actually it wasn't it was the there had been a lot we'd killed over 700 000 japanese
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but uh the um the the the japanese weren't ready to surrender until the soviets came in and the
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japanese tried to negotiate with them the soviets said no uh you got an unconditional surrender and
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that's when they cave yeah so a lot of americans don't know that so because i've had to say that
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many times when i tell people that you can't win a war by air power alone they say oh we drove two
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atomic bombs i was like no dude it was the soviets that made them really surrender yeah so uh where
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are we right now um uh i i saw on uh there's called the the frog intel on x and it was referenced
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by someone called osi intel you know open source intelligence defender is uh is the way is the x
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account oh i think rerun i think you're talking about rerun the one that does the updates like
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every couple minutes right yeah yeah i think yeah and what was uh what they showed were uh 35 flights
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that have taken place since march 12th and they're they're going to all of these military bases
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and they list the number of flights that they made and um well i looked at those military bases
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they're all special operations bases and so um there's only in my experience and this isn't based
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upon any classified information but in my experience when you get air air movement out
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of those bases you're doing one of two things you're doing an exercise or you're doing a
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deployment for real world activity what i saw you know so they've they've gone to fort bragg
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where delta force is they've gone to naval oceana air station in virginia where seal team six is
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and other seal teams they've gone to hunter army airfield in georgia where the 75th ranger regiment
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first battalion is they've gone to joint base lewis mccord in washington where the 75th ranger
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second uh battalion is located i believe uh they've gone to fort campbell uh multiple flights
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to all of these fort campbell where uh and this is a plane you're tracking just because i i was
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looking at something you said it's a plane that okay they were these are these are 35 different
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flights by C-17s. C-17s do one of two things. They haul either cargo, like helicopters,
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artillery pieces, even tanks, or they haul troops, 204 at a time. And this has been going on since
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March 12th. Like I said, there's only two reasons to do that. It's either an exercise, and there's
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no exercise so i conclude it's a real world and then uh we on march 13th uh trump orders the the
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marine expeditionary unit the 31st unit that's it's called the 31st it's in okinawa they load
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up ship they start sailing for iran uh and so on monday when trump said we're calling a ceasefire
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for five days yeah oh what what happens in five days oh the 31st view arrives um so based on all
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this and then then i learned yesterday that uh donald trump was supposed to attend a charity
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event at mara lago friday night and he's canceled um and then uh i didn't even know that he's supposed
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to go to CPAC over the weekend, and I was told he's canceled that. Now, maybe if he reverses and
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doesn't cancel and attends, it's different. But if he's canceling that, he knows that something's
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going to happen. So here's what I think is going to happen. I think the SEAL Team 6 is going to
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be used along with one of the rager battalions to attack Karg Island, to secure Karg Island,
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It's another little island right off the coast of Iran.
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They're not going to be able to stop the Iranians
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from firing drones, from firing missiles from shore,
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they're not going to be able to guarantee the safe passage of any ship.
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And again, I'm looking at, these are the only two logical targets
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if your goal is in some way to try to affect the flow of oil
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and somehow try to get control of the Strait of Hormuz.
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Because Iran will start hitting those troops with drones,
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uh and it's going to be um it's going to be pretty you know potentially pretty brutal
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how many so it's it i was going to ask so so you think so we're not so we're basically talking
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about um more of a invasion of the karg island these areas here right by the straighter who
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wants to try to secure it how many i know we're talking about 20 about 2,500 to 4,000 marines
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how many of these special operators would you say are going to also be there if you had to take a
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guess how many could be probably an additional 2 000 okay so we're looking at this 6 000 at the
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most service well yeah potentially well and then but then when you get into um you know if we're
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dealing with the full battalions of the 75th rangers uh and if we're dealing with the full
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you know um battalion of 82nd airborne you know so these uh i'd say you know at a minimum we're
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probably looking at 6 000 minimum okay and it could be higher than that so six to ten you would
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say yeah okay maybe maybe a little higher but again what are they going to do if anybody that's
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watched videos fpv videos out of ukraine in the war there you don't see the russians or the
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ukrainians standing around in groups of five or six people because if they do they get hit you
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see them scatter they they try to be in ones and twos so you know we're putting we're putting some
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of our best warriors potentially in harm's way now the the news right now is that all you know
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trump's cut a deal with iran and iran's talking and iran's saying no we're not yeah we don't have
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anything to talk to you about um but trump keeps building that up and i think you know one one
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thing he may be doing is building a narrative so come friday after their markets are closed
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because he's doing this positive narrative to try to push down the price of oil push up the price
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of the stock market come friday after the close of the market he'll say oops iran's betrayed us
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they're not cooperating we're going to have to attack and then the attack will be on so i sure
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hope i'm wrong yeah i've been i'd love to be wrong on this well you've been writing a lot of stuff
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so they're basically going to focus on the islands
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So we're not talking about like an actual interior invasion
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I mean, they go through the mountain, you know, at a minimum.
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traditional notion of invasion goes off the rails.
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when we uh started the war in iraq i remember vividly we spent the 11 months prior to launching
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it in march of 2003 11 months building up troops in kuwait and iraq we had the luxury we built up
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165 000 and but you can't do that today because you've got the advanced intelligence surveillance
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reconnaissance you got the drones you got the missiles uh you know all saddam had back then
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were some crappy scuds but uh now iran iran's got state-of-the-art missiles so uh and you know
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and chinese intel force and russian intel yeah and and and iran's total military force with its
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the the regular army the arrest uh the iranian revolutionary guard and then uh the the the
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militia yeah um they're like the equivalent of like their national guard the volunteer guys i
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know what we were talking about yeah yeah and and they they come to it makes about a million
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so you know if you're going to attack that you need a minimum three million men minimum three
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to one ratio all we all we got in the army right now is about 452 000 man so okay so you think that
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you know the objective here is going to be to control car carg island now my thing is how are
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they going to get into a position to get over there without being attacked like that's where
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how do you think they're going to actually make the um the drop i think you know i i think the
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they'll fly right now they assembled they got there are two bases in jordan one base in israel
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they'll fly from there are their helicopters uh so they all the way to iran they're going to fly
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in a helicopter no they'll fly and they'll fly from there to uh al-udid air force base okay which
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is in Qatar which is just across the the Persian Gulf or what's left of it right there I said or
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what's left of it at this point right yeah what's left of it exactly so they'll be able to uh uh
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launch from there I mean I'm just looking at if you know if I'm doing the planning that's how I
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do it yeah so they launch from there doesn't that make them extremely susceptible to like a
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counter-attack or whatever like in my head I'm like we're gonna drop these guys off you know
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on this island and it's like what to contain it and then what like damn it my room you're being
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too logical you stop that you're being you're being rational and thoughtful we can't have that
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in government yeah what am i doing that's that's why you didn't succeed in government yeah they got
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rid of you kept asking these uncomfortable questions but why yeah like yeah it is literally
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it's like uh you know get out of here buddy what are you doing what are you talking about
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so it's just it's just insane to me man yeah you're exactly right you know you're you're
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correctly identifying what the problems are yeah and um you know as a result of that um
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we're you know and i i'm afraid we're gonna get some really good guys killed yeah you know i'll
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tell you this man because you know i was 13 when we invaded iraq and um you know i remember iraq
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wasn't even really able to mount a real attack or you know threaten the u.s until about five
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months into the conflict um versus here with the iranians like i mean with it within an hour of
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the supreme leader being killed they were launching missiles at all of our bases in israel which yeah
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you got to give them credit that's in you know obviously their mosaic defense works and honestly
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i think at this point even if we nuked them it wouldn't matter the underground missile cities
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are there's hundreds of them all across the country yeah you're you're definitely right
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they had they've prepared they've prepared for that contingency um they actually i think they
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fully expect that israel is going to nuke them maybe not us but israel will yeah and the problem
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they've got is that the problem that israel has is it's small all iran has to do is destroy two
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cities and they've destroyed you know tel aviv and haifa they've now destroyed 55 of iran's
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population right there yeah whereas you destroy take out tehran with the nuke you know you've
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done about 11 of the population of iran the rest of them are scattered around mountain villages
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There are like 10 other cities or a million or around a million piece,
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Americans grossly underestimate is the size of this country.
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And they can actually fight back, and they've been doing it.
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I agree with you that Trump made that announcement about the ceasefire more to calm down the markets.
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Because I've noticed any time we start to creep into the 110, 120 range, he starts to just panic and, like, put out a true social post or do an emergency meeting.
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So like, yeah, he was in Doral like a week or two ago when the prices hit about almost 120 a barrel and he had like an emergency press conference.
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And it's like, OK, he's trying to, you know, stop the bleeding to some degree with a bunch of posturing.
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But no, I mean, this is insane, man, of what's going on.
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And with all this and I think I want to get your take on this.
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Do you think the casualties are I think officially right now we're sitting at about 13 KIA 14 now 14 KIA 14 KIA.
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And then I've heard some somewhere between two to 300 injured is
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They're trying to classify some that are combat casualties as accidents,
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you see what's been happening to the price of gasoline.
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it's a it's up at least a buck 10 in the last four weeks i got people in my chat i did a poll
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with my guys in my chat and they i said hey give me the price of uh a gallon of gas in your state
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and uh what it was before like some guys in california were telling me eight bucks crazy
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no yeah i just uh a former professional golfer is a buddy of mine brad adamonis he just sent me
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he's out in california playing in a senior tournament and he just sent me a picture of
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the gas it's a you know it's eight dollars insane i can't remember was there i remember gas was
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really high when we invaded iraq i have like a childhood memory that scarred me for life about
00:48:23.460
that but i don't think i've ever seen a gallon of gas at eight bucks have you no at least not
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back here now tell you what if we see eight bucks in florida oh you know that's a sign of the
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apocalypse yeah we're cooked and and the crazy part is you know the thing that scares me the
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most about this larry is we have trump making these comments about oh we'll go ahead and escort
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you with the navy oh uh we have this a ceasefire in place uh we're going to release 400 million
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barrels of oil right they've been doing all of this massaging to try to bring the price down
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and we're still sitting well above 100 for brent crude which is like yeah you're doing literally
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we're doing all of this and we still can't keep it under 100 bucks i can only imagine
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you know people are going to realize this isn't going to end it's going to keep going
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We're going to, in fact, I wish we could elect you.
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I'd have a lot more confidence in you than the current guy.
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So you're going to impose sanctions on Russia and Iran.
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And so why then, when, you know, Iran starts punching back and closes the Gulf, do you lift all the sanctions on Russia and Iran?
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Yes, well, it's Larry, you're making too much sense.
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I mean, it's just like, hey, you're an Iran sympathizer.
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You know, so that shows you that Trump and Besset were panicked.
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Now, some may differ with my characterization of that,
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They tried to crash the real and it backfired too.
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You know, they tried with the uprising in January
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So have you heard what's happened now to oil in Iran?
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this is from Trita Parsi um before the war started Iran was was pumping 1.1 million barrels of oil
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selling it at a net price of 47 dollars a barrel okay now you know three weeks later
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Iran is pumping 1.5 million so they're up 400,000 barrels per day and they're selling it at
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97 dollars a barrel more than double the price wow they uh and sanctions are temporarily lifted
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on them as well which is crazy oh yeah it's like this is such a this is so bad it's like in my head
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i'm like because and i'm sure you heard this too later right oh well you guys need to just trust
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the plan trump is playing 4d chess him invading is you know he took venezuela so now the chinese
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had to go to the iranians now he's messing with the iranians they're ready to get that oil too
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The Russians have been able to make money hand over fist
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It's the family and friends event at Shoppers Drug Mart.
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Get 20% off almost all regular priced merchandise.
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This has like been, I don't think the American,
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general american public knows that this is what's going on here like it's nuts and i know exactly
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what happened in vietnam because my former business i call him former business partner i
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mean we're you know still great friends and we just got to the age where okay we'll go off and
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do our own things um he was uh he was the one that brought three guys who were part of maduro's
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security detail as and i won't get into how he came in contact with him but let's just say
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they came in they got in contact with him and um they wanted to um collect on the 50 million
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reward so basically those three guys who had rented all of maduro's security in terms they
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got they turned off all the weapons all the you know air defense they turned it all off it was it
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was a cooked deal yep that's that's how they pulled that off not with our great military
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expertise and the real the irony of the story those three guys when it came tied to pace
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trump stiffed them said no we're not paying any reward what oh my god because you know you know
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shocked me larry right because i know obviously you were in the cia in the in the early 90s right
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when we were starting to really build up the momentum with the war against terrorism right
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we started to see mid 80s oh i'm sorry i was i was at i was at a state you know so the office
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of counterterrorism yeah we put out the first publication of patterns of global terrorism
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in april of 1990 that was the first one my bad i meant to say yeah no no yeah so state department
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with counterterrorism there so um i lost my train of thought um well i mean at the time look that's
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The bombing of the World Trade Center, the first bombing, that was actually carried out by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the mastermind.
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He did the World Trade Center bombing in the early 90s.
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he got uh he was part of the plot called bojinka oh i remember what i was gonna say now um maduro's
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maduro's reward was more than bin laden insane insane that's the highest i've ever seen
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ever but sorry that was what i was gonna say i forgot but keep going yeah i was the one who
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started the terrorism rewards program in the advertising of it really yeah wow we uh before
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they used to have this cheesy poster with you know some guy with a mask pointing a gun at some
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woman's head said give us money you know the report terrorism so uh we did uh we did a series
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of public service ads that we produced them in the summer of 1990 um and i went to hollywood we had
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three hollywood stars charlton heston charles bronson and charlie sheen okay the charlie campaign
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and uh it was called uh are you uh are you are you the next hero and so the the script went
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something like hello i'm charlton heston in the movies i play a hero but in real life heroes are
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and you know go on the pitch people you know rat out your buddy for a reward on terrorism
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um sort of a funny side story i was working you know a couple of good friends in diplomatic
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security uh one guy's name uh brad's uh mike parks the other brad smith brad later died of
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lou gehrig's disease but brad brad was the one who came up with the matchbook the concept of
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putting terrorist pictures or reward information on matchbooks passing them out in afghanistan and
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pakistan that led to the capture of ramzi usap but anyway i get this frantic phone call it's
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We're about a week away from releasing the ads.
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And a frantic phone call from Brad going, oh, my God, Charlie Sheen has just been admitted to Betty Ford Clinic.
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I said, hey, as long as he didn't strap a bomb on and blow himself up, we're okay.
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Because this is not a just say no to drugs campaign.
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This is, you know, rat out your buddies on terrorism.
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But that's where the terrorism rewards program start.
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So I so that's crazy with the Maduro thing, because I knew with with with Maduro that like there was obviously people embedded in there that were spies.
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Right. And this doesn't mean that the Iranians don't have their problems.
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I mean, they got attacked back in the 12 day war because they were compromised.
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But, you know, I think Trump really underestimated the power of a theocracy, Shia Islam and how, you know, these people are different, you know, than Venezuela.
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And it's, it's a much bigger, more harder country to deal with than,
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than Venezuela would be. So, so my, Oh, so let's go,
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what do you think about what are your thoughts on the F-15s that were shot
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down? They try to say that Kuwaiti friendly fire. And I just,
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I can't buy that story. And then also the F-35 that was shot down.
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these American stealth craft getting shot down? Allegedly.
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Have you ever been, have you ever been shot at?
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No, not on the job. Thank God. Okay. But if someone's shooting at you,
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would you consider that friendly fire no not at all so um the the first the first three f-15s
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that got shot down they were shot down by a kuwaiti pilot who basically was uh shia and supported
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iran okay so he got because they tried to frame it they tried to frame it like he was a part of
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the kuwaiti military um he's just just a confused guy yeah please you know no he got uh uh he got
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uh he you know he got almost an ace i guess you gotta get four four down aircraft to become an
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ace but no he shot he shot him down um where was i think that's insane my chest going crazy right
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now they're like what yeah that was the first week first week two weeks of the war then we
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had the f-35 that was shot down last week what happened with that is um the iranians are using a
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heat-seeking missile so that the the f-35 is designed to detect an incoming missile that's
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using radar to find it uh they'll ping and they go ding ding ding and they know they need to evade
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but this one this was a heat seeker and once he realized that the heat seeker was getting ready to
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you know, climb up his rear end, he fired off these, I call them flares that are superheated
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to try to deflect the missile. And the missile hit one of them, exploded, and the shrapnel from
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that explosion hit the F-35. That's why it was damaged severely, but not knocked out of the sky.
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So, you know, Iran's not out of the fight as far as air defense goes, not at all.
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so the going back real quick to the f-15s um because obviously pete access and kane have been
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saying oh yeah we have air dominance air superiority right they were doing like a briefing at the
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pentagon like every other day saying this and then you know next thing you know these uh fighter jets
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are getting shot out the air because i remember one had a female pilot and the the first three
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that they basically i think they survived if i'm not mistaken it was three to four pilots yeah they
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all survived nobody nobody died that i know of but you're saying because this is super important
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you're saying the person that shot him down was a kuwaiti citizen but he wasn't necessarily part
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of the kuwaiti armed forces which is allied with oh no he was he was no he's a kuwaiti military guy
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he was in the he was in the kuwaiti air force oh so he just affected i guess
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i decided at the moment you know what i'm pissed off at these americans
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wow took them out you know shot them down but didn't kill them which is you know a good good
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result how do you how was he able to i know the f-15s are don't have the same stealth capabilities
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like a 35 or uh 22 but how did he do it like uh what what my understanding he was he was he was
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flying an f-16 so i guess the f-16 has got a little bit of an edge over the f-15 oh yeah i'm
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not i'm not an air force guy so yeah i'll defer to any air force bubbles out there that want to
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weigh in and say oh no this is how this works okay so he was in his own fighter gen he shot
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them down yeah yeah oh you know people in my chat i'm looking right now they're saying that
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he got arrested so they because uh some people are saying speculation but there's he got the
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guy got arrested i guess right yeah yeah oh wow okay i that you know it's crazy that they didn't
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report that that's a very pertinent fact that no one really talked about in uh western media so
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yeah you gotta so you gotta just sort of know how to read you know the advantage i have with
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you know now now being a really old fart is you know i learned how to read both public information
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and you know like like that casey remember the casey 135 that quote crashed yeah killed the
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entire crew the tail hit the other one allegedly no no it got shot down yeah yeah i got shot down
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it got shot down with the surface dare missile that's what i said too yeah absolutely because
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explain to me how does the plane okay how do these two planes crash collide because
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they're not trying to refuel each other so that's what the official narrative is they said that there
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it was a refueling uh mission and like one hit the other's tail and then they just crashed that's
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what that's the official story yeah that's the story they came up with not a very good story
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yeah so let me ask you this then um before the war started i was looking at um some of the upgrades
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the iranians made to their military capabilities right i'm going to get into weeds here a little
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bit with the nerdy stuff if you're familiar with it awesome if you don't then we could just go to
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the next question and there were some chinese radars they purchased uh one of them is like
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the ylc-8b and they had a service air missile that came alongside that and this these devices
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basically you know account under american stealth as we know the chinese formulate their military
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based on you know trying to steal our technology we we me and you both work for the government so
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we know how how bad the chinese are when it comes to stealing our technology so um have those been
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put into play yet i know for a fact that the iranians got them um and they were obviously
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able to identify this f-35 but are they going to utilize them are they waiting to use them
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what's that i that i don't know what i i went with the assumption that the radars were put in place
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and i thought that they would have been capable of of taking of identifying and shooting down
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missiles because those radars i have to be integrated with an air defense system yes uh
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which is why well they got the surface air too they got both they got the ylc and then it comes
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with a surface air missile as well uh device so apparently that that didn't you know the
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chinese system didn't work didn't work for that that's what it would appear to me now we know
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that at least in the first two weeks of the war first three weeks the the spy claims that the
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u.s had air supremacy and we're flying all over iran no we weren't we were we were launching
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jasms and some jdams from outside of iranian territory can you explain for my artist that's
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not military minded can you explain jdams and uh the other types of yeah so a jdam is a let's call
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it a bomb with waves it can it can glide glides out and the wings help keep it you know it can
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travel about 50 miles out. The JASM is more of a rocket. So you fire that and it can travel about
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500 miles. So that's why these planes, they didn't have to get inside. And then you had
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Tomahawk cruise missiles that were being launched as well, air launched.
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Some were, you know, I don't think many were launched by the destroyers that were down in
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the arabian sea because i don't think they got close enough to shore because the tomahawk has
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a limited range as well it doesn't have unlimited range what are your thoughts on the ford um
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kind of leaving the region to get some repairs i know that they had been there significantly
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longer than they were supposed to since the venezuela mission there were toilet plumbing
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issues there was a fire on board um we i heard you know speculation that the iranians hit them
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and they're just using that as a ruse what are your thoughts on aircraft carriers because they
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did you know push back significantly and we haven't heard as much about them did they get struck
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did uh do you think the whole laundry thing was a lie what are your thoughts on that with the
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yeah i'm glad you're sitting down i don't want to shock you but i think the u.s government's
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lying about this we're not not telling the full truth so by way of comparison i don't know if you
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know who andrei martianov is andrei is a podcaster smoothie 12x is his site uh he was a foreign he
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was a russian naval officer okay that with the collapse of the soviet union he and his wife and
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children came to the united states in 1992 i think and he became an american citizen and worked at
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boeing he was very very smart technical guy and he pulled up he did a video presentation the other
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day he reminded of what happened in 1967 off the coast of vietnam with a u.s aircraft carrier the
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USS forestall uh the forestall uh was uh there was a a guy named john mccain i don't know if
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you ever heard of him former senator uh he was a navy pilot back then and uh he he negligently
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discharged one of his missiles into the deck blew up started a major fire on the forestall
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it took them uh it took them uh 19 hours to put that fire out killed about 19 sailors
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injured well over 160 okay now let's compare that to the gerald ford the story is the dryers
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with lint i guess they hadn't cleaned out the lint filters caught on fire and it took them 30
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hours to put the fire out yeah you know nuts that just doesn't pass the sniff test but um
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and the fact that the damage you know and it did follow up on uh when the when the whole plumbing
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system went down you know there's there the sailing ships in the 19th century when they
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had the sails they had a they had a site on the back deck it was called the poop deck now
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most people assumed oh that's where the sailors went to take a poop no poop was this french word
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for for deck so it was a specific deck level but in this case on the gerald r4 they really had a
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poop deck i mean they had they had decks covered with poop yeah it was bad so you know we spent
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15 billion dollars on this aircraft carrier took six years to build and now reportedly it's going
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be out of action for you know someone said 14 months i find that a little hard to believe but
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you know maybe that is true apparently it was emergency repairs and they're going right back
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that's what i heard yeah it's emergency repairs no no they're back no no they're going back back
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home to come back to the states they're they're not going back into the oh they're not going back
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red sea okay no so what are your thoughts on what are your thoughts on israel right now and um how
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they're getting hit i've noticed a significant uptick in some of the damage they're getting or
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have they could have been getting hit hard like this before but obviously they had this you know
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significant censorship policy slash law in place um but we saw them hit demona we saw them hit
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central israel i think earlier today yeah what are your thoughts on the damage of israel uh
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our relationship with israel in general i'll kind of just turn it to you well we're you know
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Unfortunately, our government's, I'll call it Zionist-controlled, and it's not just Israel.
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We've got Christian Zionists in this country as well, so it's not a Jewish thing.
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The best definition, I had a conversation the other day with Yaakov Rupkin.
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He was actually born in Leningrad right at the end of World War II, 1946,
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uh but then went to canada uh he speaks four different languages he's a he's a professor
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um uh you know he's a retired a professor emeritus but uh he he gave me the definition
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of zionism zionism is this there is no god and that god gave us this land yeah yeah so it's like
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it's hilarious because yeah most most israelis most israelis will sit there and tell you i'm
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atheist and but then at the same time tell you that god promised them that land a couple thousand
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years ago and you're like wait what this doesn't make sense yeah yeah exactly yeah you know i are
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tracking let me ask you this because you come from the ic right and obviously ic is significantly
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different than law enforcement i've had to explain to my audience a bunch of times
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what are your thoughts on our relationship with israel from the intelligence perspective not
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necessarily what the general public sees with our relationship but rather what is our relationship
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with like Israel when it comes to the intel world do we um you know I've heard many stories where we
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don't let them come into certain buildings they are notorious for placing bugs all this type of
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stuff what are your thoughts on from that perspective don't trust them they're not a you
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know there's no such thing as a friendly intelligence service uh you treat all
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intelligence services as if they're trying to you know uh steal your secrets which is that's
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john you know so uh john kiriaku yes who's a friend so john john's got the best description
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of dealing with the israelis they they literally would not let the israelis anymore into cia
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headquarters there in mclean virginia they met him at an off site so uh you know the the israelis
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you know i've dealt with the israelis quite a bit over the years in different capacities
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and the biggest problem is their arrogance so you know when you were when you were the hsi
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you know you took fire you you were trained to shoot a pistol right of course so what did you
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what did you guys carry glocks uh the issue when i was on the job was a six hour 229 deck
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but you can get your own i carried a glock 19 every day and or 26 all right yeah so i i like
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a sig 226 myself i hated it i hated it so i went and got myself a couple glocks and never looked
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back okay i i understand yeah well you know the the problem with firearms is uh when you train
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people the most important thing is not the knowledge not you need knowledge and not the
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skill it's the attitude if you don't have the right attitude like if you know the right attitude
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with a firearm is you always treat it as if it's loaded you don't ever assume that it's not loaded
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until you verify and check what the israelis do and this is a sign of their both their arrogance
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and their incompetence um they train their soldiers and their intelligence people to not
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carry a chambered round yes that means a round that's in the chamber they carry so when they
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draw they draw and then they quickly reciprocate the slide oh fast well i've been out on the range
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we've tested that drawing firing with a chamber ground drawing firing when you and you can lose
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up up to a second yeah well you know if you're in a life and death struggle a second can you know
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leave you dead the reason the israelis do it that way is they don't trust the people that they've
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trained to keep their damn finger off the trigger until they're pointed at something that they're
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ready to shoot attitude yeah no i really like that you that you said that because that's not
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many people know that i know that's like there's there's only certain elite uh individuals that
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can carry a chambered round but yeah that's the normal policy with like the idf and everyone
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that's a gun toter in israel is uh you you got it you can't carry one in the chamber which i
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remember when i was on a job you had to carry one in the chamber it's against policy like if i got
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a shooting and i didn't like they figured out that like i didn't like have one in the chamber
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duty carry uh that you could get in trouble for that so um yeah well and again it gets it gets
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back to you know everyone that i uh because i'm a firearms instructor and i train instructors
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um the last if i'm not going to let a single student go out of my class unless i'm confident
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that they know how to properly safely handle the gun don't point it at yourself don't point it at
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anything you're not willing to kill or destroy and you keep your finger off the trigger until
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you're pointed at the targets you intend to shoot simple you know not complicated it's not like a
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mass you need to do pythagorean theorems or or advanced calculus it's like keep it loaded keep
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your finger off the trigger and then when you're pointed at what you want to shoot shoot yeah well
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the israelis don't do that so that's why you know the the arrogance of the israelis
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they're really not they're not what i'd call teachable and when i was at state encounter
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in the anti-terror in this counterterrorism office uh i was the deputy director of the
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anti-terrorism assistance program so we actually had in this we would train police uh everybody
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but military military training was handled by dod uh we found that the palestinians because the
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we trained police for the palestinian authority they had great attitude man they were wonderful
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to work with they followed directions they didn't cop attitude israelis on the other hand
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uh you know sometimes like talking to a wall you can't tell me i know what i'm doing you know that
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kind of thing yeah the fact they even have that policy i think it also another reason is because
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they have so many ad's uh which is another reason because everyone has to join the military there
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so you got like you know incompetent people right uh that don't want to don't have muzzle discipline
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etc so good sorry i don't like i don't like the term ad i like nd negligent discharge
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negligent discharge because it's not act unless okay unless you're carrying a sick 320 it might
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be accidental but otherwise it's negligent yeah um so so we're so i think we're like in a very
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pivotal time right now right we're talking about a potential land land invasion with the carg island
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What do you think is going to happen from this point forward?
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If you had to kind of speculate based on what's been going on so far,
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what's been transpiring, does Trump have an off-ramp?
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Are we going to have to put boots on the ground?
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What are your thoughts on where we go from here?
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Yeah, unfortunately, I think Trump is going to put boots on the ground,
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I'm afraid we're going to get a lot of really good guys killed.
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Do you think this minor invasion is a test to test the waters to see what a more, I guess, bigger ground force can do?
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No, the bigger ground force, they get sucked up in the mountains.
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Yeah, right. So I just got a note from Doug McGregor.
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If you know, yeah, McGregor. Yeah. He said that this is just in Iran is told the United States it will not resume talks with Wyckoff and Kushner.
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If they're going to talk to anybody, they'll talk to Vice President J.D. Vance.
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You know, you know what? You come from the State Department. So this is actually beautiful. Let me ask you this.
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I thought it was really weird that Wyckoff and Kushner were the ones negotiating in the Middle East.
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Like, why are these guys over here having these nuclear talks, et cetera?
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Like, you know, and both of these guys obviously have a, you know, it's a conflict of interest, a significant conflict of interest.
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So how are these guys being the ones that negotiate?
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And then another thing I also, and I'd love to get your take on this, too.
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I was watching, I was on stream and I showed my audience how the negotiator in Oman, who was going back and forth between the rooms, between the Iranians and Kushner Wyckoff.
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they basically had a deal in place that was better than what obama had with the jcpoa
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so like yeah you know what are your thoughts on that and then christopher in general again we
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were we were sold a lie that all the jcpoa was a terrible terrible agreement really so here's
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what iran agreed to iran agreed to limit enrichment to 20 it agreed that it would remain as a member
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of the nonproliferation treaty organization that would allow iaea inspectors access to all of its
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nuclear sites to inspect to verify that they weren't building a nuke and then what the europeans
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failed to release that was all being done in exchange for sanctions relief nope europe and
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the united states refused to provide sanction relief as they had agreed to and then trump
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trump tore up the agreement yep well so stupid again that set the chain of events that we're at
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now like it's ridiculous him pompeo labeling the irgc as a terrorist organization like the abraham
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accords all of these different factors like you know led to what we're dealing with now
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yeah well and you know people want to pretend that the religious uh commitment of something
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like the Ayatollah Khamenei, who's now dead, was not real.
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But as I mentioned earlier, during the Iraq war with Iran,
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when chemical weapons were being used against Iran,
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you know, if somebody used chemical weapons against us,
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our inclination would be, well, damn it, we're going to use them back at you.
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And the reason they didn't is because of, at the time,
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it was the Ayatollah Khamenei, and he said, it's a sin. We are not going to commit that sin against
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God. And it's the same thing that the Ayatollah Khamenei said. He issued the fatwa more than 20
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years ago, that Iran will not build a nuke because it is a sin against God. And so who do we kill?
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we kill the one guy that's saying it's a sin don't do it yeah we killed committee to get committee but
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this new committee doesn't uh wants nuclear bombs it's crazy dude it's nuts yeah well he made one i
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mean look look at what we did we we killed his father we killed his mother we killed his wife
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and we killed his baby daughter yeah would you if somebody did that to you would you want to kill
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them back you bet your ass you would i know i would yeah you know and i and i got an argument
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with someone about this because i said you know i asked them look are you a pro 2a yeah i am okay
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do you believe in you know the pursuit of happiness and the ability to protect your property life and
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freedoms yes and i was like okay so don't get mad at the iranians for defending themselves i mean
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look this is just the reality you know we are the aggressor here this is a war of choice and i love
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this country but we have to be honest like you know both of us are american patriots we served
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this country we took an oath to this country and i think you know if we're gonna truly um be a
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better nation we need to be honest about bad foreign policy and this is something that you
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know at this point enough is enough like these middle eastern wars are a waste you know well
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yeah well i was you know i was i grew up i i hate bullies uh and my father taught me to always fight
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against bullies uh in my heritage you know my family actually my ancestors started showing up
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here around 1620 okay so we got well over 400 years uh in country and uh my fifth great uncle
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was a guy named charles thompson who was the secretary of the continental congress
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and he was the one who kept the declaration of independence in his possession for 18 years
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Wow. Until Washington, D.C. was opened and it finally was delivered to what we now know as the National Archives. So, you know, I consider myself a patriotic American. But what I have to step back and look at is how many countries has Iran invaded or attacked in the last 46 years? And the answer is none.
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how many countries have we attacked and invaded in the last 46 years okay get out your calculator
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yeah so many talk to the people panama libya somalia uh yugoslavia uh afghanistan iraq twice
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um you know and so and now iran and syria let's not forget syria so at some point we need to look
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in the mirror and say you know what we may be the problem yeah we need we keep finding excuses to
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attack other people let's go back vietnam yeah you know and then all the all the horror we ended
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up causing in places like cambodia yeah i'm for you know let's let's mind our own business do it
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you know do what your mom and dad told you when you were growing up keep your hands to yourself
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you know if you had brothers and sisters you know you start but you know keep your hands to yourself
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Don't don't start smacking anybody else. Yeah. Intervention. Sorry, go ahead.
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No, I just I think that's a good that's a good principle of foreign policy to follow.
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Absolutely. And not letting the Israelis dictate. Let me ask you this.
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I've been watching some of your videos as far as, you know, interceptors.
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You've you've been really spot on with, you know, estimating how many each location has.
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we know that the interceptors are significantly more expensive than obviously the drones and the
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ballistic missiles that the iranians are firing right this is kind of you know it's just a bad
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this is really bad uh you know economics when it comes to warfare on against us what are your
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thoughts on um interceptors because if i don't if i recall correctly about last week or the week
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prior there was reports that the gulf states probably had maybe another week or so of um
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of interceptors so what are your thoughts on the gulf states um stockpile right now and the
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israelis well they're so let's deal with the the two main interceptors that we have
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are the patriot missile which shoots a pack three it replaced something called the pack two so
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the pack three started being produced in 2015 and i didn't have to get classified information to
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figure this out uh it was simply you know the the budgets you know when congress passes a budget
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there's a line item for how many of these we're going to produce so between um the numbers were
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between 2015 and 2020 uh were roughly it said 100 to 300 a year so i took the higher number let's
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just let's be generous let's say 300 a year so that's six years that's 1800 and then from 21 22
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23, 24, those four years, the number was about 550 a year. So that's 2,200. Okay, 2,200, 1,800,
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4,000. And then in 2025, we produced 620. So we're now at 4,620. That's total that's been produced
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of that PAC-3. And then when you sit down and do the math, if you've got a Russian Iskander
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missile coming at you or an Iranian Fakhan missile coming at you, you're going to fire at a minimum
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two Patriot missiles. So just do the math. If you've got a total of 4,620, that means you can
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shoot down 2,310 missiles. Well, guess what? Iran's already fired over 2,000 missiles over
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the course of the last four weeks four and a half weeks and we we've given a thousand of that 4620
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to um to ukraine oh yeah you know ukraine and no no telling how many we so the bottom line is
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we're out of missiles yeah and it's not like you know not like you go flip the switches yeah let's
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start producing them so we have run a 3d by your estimations we have roughly 1 000 once ukraine
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we got roughly 3 000 between the gulf and israel yeah okay well actually less than that because
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there are about a thousand of those that are out at indopacom the command out of hawaii
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so you know roughly let's say that between and we're not even counting what israel fired last
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june yeah they fired off a boatload last june so they lost 25 oh just just off that they lost 25
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so we're depleted now on that the same with the fad the terminal high altitude area defense weapon
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and you go back to the cost i've seen different the cost for the for the pack three was between
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four million and six million uh so you're gonna fire two of those that's 12 million dollars to
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bringing down a fifty thousand dollar drone yeah it's just horrible war economics yeah and the
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fad that is even more it's like 12 million 12 13 million dollars yeah what are your thoughts so
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based on the numbers and crunching everything and by the way for my audience that's watching guys
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over so larry with your and and let me know larry if you have to go uh soon um i need to go in about
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10 minutes okay in about 10 minutes okay so uh how much longer do you think the with the gulf
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um is going to be able to intercept and then how much longer you think the israelis are going to
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be able to do it uh well they can't intercept anymore that's what i'm saying they're so you
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think they're completely out at this point where they're cooked yeah yeah okay yeah they're drained
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and that's why in fact you've seen ukraine actually you create you've seen iran step up
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its missile launches yeah there's firing less but they're still hitting really hard now they're
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using bigger warheads it's like they're starting to cause some real damage and i think the israeli
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censorship is going down so well that's why do you think the israeli censors finally lifted the
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censorship because they're taking such a pounding yeah and now they're trying now they're trying to
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get the sympathy vote yeah oh look they're attacking civilians oh good god there's a couple
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that's all israel's been doing there's a couple of guys that i follow and like yeah it's like
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clockwork they get hit they go to a civilian area and say look they're destroying a civilian
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structure but they won't show you all the strategic locations that are getting hit
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you know right so that's and so that's where i that's where i think iran is focused right now
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they're the doing the strategic hits um we're gonna we're gonna see if uh uh i don't think
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iran iran's not willing to sit down and negotiate they're not going to agree to a ceasefire now
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you can argue one of the demands for iran has been okay lift the sanctions well it looks like
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scott bessett lifted the sanctions at donald trump's direction yeah so you know they're not
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having to worry about that now so um as far as what do you think is uh because i did see when
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they were getting bombed yesterday i did see interceptors go out there but it seems like and
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i've seen a couple videos where um these ballistic missiles i ran and shooting they're like literally
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going like i mean i'm assuming they're probably the hypersonics the fatta one fatta two like as
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as interceptors are coming up i've seen videos of 10 interceptors and the ballistic missile from
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the iranians still got through it's twisting and everything and you know it jokes them and bam it
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hits so maybe so you would say that at this point all the primary air defense gone iron dome david
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slaying arrow they don't have anything left at this point yeah they're they're they're depleted
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essentially depleted you know the other day um hezbollah launched a four-hour barrage that all
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all of them got through and israel wasn't able to intercept any of them so whenever you hear
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the story oh yeah we've intercepted 90 yeah i think they've got some problems with math yeah
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