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5 hours and 21 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of Thank You, Thank You: The Podcast, host Sarah Abdurrahman is joined by CBS News reporter Kaitie Weiss to talk about the recent shooting at a high school in Tallahassee, Florida.
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HURT AND POLICE HAVE TAKEN A SUSPECT INTO CUSTODY NOW INVESTIGATORS SAY THE SUSPECTED
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SHOOTER IS A 20-YEAR-OLD STUDENT AT THE SCHOOL AND HE'S THE STEPSON OF A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY
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WHO GOT HIS HANDS ON HIS STEPMOTHER'S FORMER SERVICE WEAPON OKAY SO NOW WE GOT SOME MORE
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DETAILS NOT HIS BIOLOGICAL MOM WHICH I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS BECAUSE THEY DID KIND OF LOOK
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LIKE USED HER WEAPON AND HE WAS A STUDENT AT THE SCHOOL STUDENTS TOLD REPORTERS THEY'RE
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HORRIFIED THAT GUN VIOLENCE REACHED THEIR SCHOOL WHICH IS MEANT TO BE A SAFE SPACE THIS IS NOT HOW IT
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SHOULD BE AT ALL IT'S TRAGIC IS WHAT IT IS IT'S GENUINELY LIKE A DISGUSTING FEELING WE'VE GOT TEAM
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COVERAGE ON THIS FOR YOU THIS MORNING STARTING WITH CBS NEWS REPORTER KATIE WEISS SHE'S BEEN ON THE SCENE
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SINCE SHORTLY AFTER THE INCIDENCE KATIE GOOD MORNING STILL EARLY IN THIS INVESTIGATION OBVIOUSLY
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BUT HOW DID THIS UNFOLD YESTERDAY WELL GOOD MORNING ERREL THE COMMUNITY HERE IN TALLAHASSEE
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FLORIDA'S CAPITAL CITY IS TRULY JUST SHAKEN THIS MORNING AND AND YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AS WELL
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SEVERAL NEIGHBORS THAT I SPOKE TO WHO LIVE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE ALLEGED GUNMAN IN THIS
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INCIDENT ARE JUST TOTALLY SHOCKED SURPRISED THAT SOMEONE THAT THEY KNOW COULD POTENTIALLY CARRY OUT
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SUCH AN ACT IN FACT I EVEN SPOKE WITH ONE YOUNG WOMAN WHO SAID SHE GREW UP GOING ON THE BUS
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WITH THIS SUSPECT EVERY DAY AT MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY
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I WENT TO MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL WITH HIM AND I RID THE BUS HOME WITH HIM
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SO HE'S BEEN I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR A WHILE I WAS IN SHOCK I WAS LIKE I KNOW THIS KID LIKE I'VE GROWN UP
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WITH THIS KID HE LIVES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD I WAS LIKE HOW COULD SOMEONE I KNOW DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS
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AND NOW ERAL YOU ALSO MENTIONED ABOUT HOW THIS ALLEGED GUNMAN USED HIS STEPMOTHER'S
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SERVICE WEAPON TO CARRY OUT THIS ATTACK ACCORDING TO OFFICIALS ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS ON MANY
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PEOPLE'S MINDS IS HOW DID HE GET ACCESS TO THIS GUN AND WHY WHY AKI ROACHU SHE PROBABLY NEVER LOCKED IT UP
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YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN HE'S AN ADULT HE SEEMED TO BE TRUSTWORTHY REMEMBER GUYS THAT HE WAS LIKE ON A ON A
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LIKE UM LIKE A POLICE BOARD WITH LIKE VOLUNTEERS AND SHIT SO HE'S AN ADULT HE'S IN COLLEGE PROBABLY
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LOCKED THE GUN UP YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN NO NEED YOU GOT ADULTS IN THE HOUSE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THINGS
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HE'S A PART OF LIKE THE LITTLE YOU KNOW POLICE COURT VOLUNTEER SQUAD
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WHY DID HE HAVE ACCESS TO THIS GUN ERRAL AND KATIE WHAT ARE WE LEARNING ABOUT THE VICTIMS SO FAR
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WELL SO FAR WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION I GOT A VIDEO ON THE D ON THE VICTIMS RIGHT
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HERE TAKES US BACK TO TALLAHASSEE FLORIDA FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY THE SIDE OF ANOTHER MASS
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SHOOTING IN THE UNITED STATES AND ONCE AGAIN WE SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE EXPRESSING THEIR
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GRIEF EMBRACING EACH OTHER AND BRINGING FLOWERS TO THE SCENE OF VIOLENCE TO REMEMBER
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THE VICTIMS TODAY'S MOOD A SOMBER CONTRAST TO THE CHAOS OF YESTERDAY
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VIDEO OF STUDENTS RUNNING AWAY FROM CAMPUS MOMENTS AFTER A GUNMAN OPENED FIRE AND KILLED TWO
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SIX OTHERS RUSHED TO THE HOSPITAL INCLUDING THE SUSPECT
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yeah I ain't gonna lie this dude looks wild bro police identified that suspect as 20 year old
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phoenix eichner an fsu student and the stepson of a sheriff's deputy of tallahassee's home county
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authority said the weapon he used in the shooting was his mother his stepmother's
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former service weapon which she now apparently owns as a personal handgun
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earlier no she she bought it she bought it um on the job what probably happened is they probably said
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hey you can't use this gun anymore and uh she stopped using it very common for people to um
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you know they'll buy their own gun and use it as their service weapon i i mean i did it myself
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hsi's um standard issue was not a glock guys so i bought my own glocks and i um qualified with them
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put the paperwork in boom done today cbs news gail king spoke to a florida state university student who
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was on campus yesterday during that shooting who was also a survivor of the parkland shooting back
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in 2018 in that case 17. oh yeah that one was that one was a big one people died here's a little bit
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of that interview i would imagine stephanie that you never thought that this could happen to you again
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yeah i mean i never thought that's crazy man she survived the 2018 and then this dude started to start
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what hold on back in 2018 and spoke to a florida state university student who was on campus yesterday
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during that shooting who was also a survivor of the parkland shooting back in 2018 and for those
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of you that are unfamiliar with the parkland shooting this was actually one of the worst
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shootings in american history um man um and it's funny because i actually was seeing a girl at one
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point um that was on his defense team she was like uh one of these volunteer defense attorneys
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february 14th 2018 and i'll never forget this you guys want to know why because i was getting ready
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to leave laredo when this shooting happened that's why it's so vivid in my mind um i was wrapping up and
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like getting uh all my stuff ready to go and the shooting happened as i was getting ready to go to
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florida um on february 14th 2018 a mass shooting occurred when 19 year old nicholas cruz opened fire
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on students and staff at marjory stoneman douglas high school part of the miami metropolitan area
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parkland florida killing 17 people and injuring 18 others cruz a former student at the school
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fled the scene on foot by blending and with other students and was arrested without incident
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approximately one hour and 20 minutes later in nearby coral springs police and prosecutors
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investigated a pattern of disciplinary issues and unnerving behavior and here he is right here right
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so i'm getting when he got arrested it look crazy bro
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and i think if i'm not mistaken he got convicted he went to trial and i think he got convicted let's
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see here he's currently incarcerated conviction 17 counts of premeditated murder for a first degree
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yeah he was born um biological father we don't know orphanage yeah it comes from a
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yeah the incident is the deadliest mass shooting at a high school in u.s history
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yep most most people gone and i remember this one because i was moving literally parkland isn't far
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from miami guys look it's right here on the map so um when this happened i was like holy crap that's
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where i'm going i guess that so that's bad timing so she was a survivor from the 2018 shooting and then
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now she's at fsu and someone shot it up again bro that's crazy case 17 people died here's a little bit
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of that interview i would imagine stephanie that you never thought that this could happen to you
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again as you guys know they didn't talk too much about the victims yesterday we had no information
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yesterday about the victims so now we're getting some info
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yeah i mean i never thought it would happen to me for the first time and uh here we are and
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unfortunately this is this is america for you these actually were the doors that i came out of yesterday
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we had the music playing pretty loudly so unfortunately we didn't hear anything which
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we were lucky that some of my students looked out of the glass doors and and saw everybody running and i i
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didn't see that so i'd asked them what was going on and when they said that everyone ran i came out
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from behind the desk and i looked and i saw crickets and i saw belongings left behind and unfortunately due
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to my previous experience i knew what that meant and before i knew exactly what was going on i just
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started to direct everybody into the back room to safety until i got further information but i had a
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feeling that it was an active shooter situation before i even heard so from gail king's interview to
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reporters with our cbs partner in detroit who spoke to another student from fsu
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another similar theme he also survived the 2023 shooting at michigan state university here's a
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little bit of that yeah i think this time it was less surprising but i think the fear was
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a little more immediate this time around i talked to other undergrads who um survived school shootings
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um and we're going to talk guys about um school shootings after here i'm going to give you guys a
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little bit of a monologue on on school shootings and and what i think how we need to deal with this
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problem and you know i think you go to any major r1 university like this you know you're going to run
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into um people who have been in that situation just happened you know to me you know in college
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both times voices coming out of that violence let's bring in cbs news senior coordinating producer
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anna schecter has been following this story from the moment that we broke it yesterday on cbs news 24
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7 at this very time anna you're learning more today about the victims that's right we have just
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learned the identity of 57 year old roberto morales uh he is one of the two people that were shot and
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killed by the suspect yesterday on campus he worked for a company that provided catering services uh his
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brother posted on social media that he was a husband and father to a daughter um he is obviously grieving
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and the company uh that morales worked for put out a statement that they are heartbroken wow so wrong
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place wrong time man who's probably just there delivering some food or something and then got caught
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on the crossfire incredible wow and so i'm sure we're going to be hearing more there is another
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be reading all the chats get your questions in uh now and um yeah uh passed away uh we learned that
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yesterday we still are waiting on uh any information about that individual and the six who were injured
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have been improving the hospital tells us um but uh uh we're still waiting on more information uh about
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all of them being released from the hospital now that has not yet happened so sobering to see the
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police tape and now the flowers once again in our country and uh the news of just where this gun
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came from caused you to dig a little bit deeper and look at florida's gun laws what did you learn
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well florida has pretty loose gun laws and uh we knew that before this morning but interestingly
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uh recently florida has tried to there's been a push in the state to actually roll back uh a law
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that was enacted after the parkland shooting that made it more difficult for young people to purchase
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firearms that does not apply in this case because the suspect obtained the handgun that he used to
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shoot all the victims with from his stepmom uh who he lived with um it was he was known as her so i'll do
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course but monday starting on monday i am not gonna be doing a debrief because i'm gonna be traveling
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way is in columbia south carolina and i'm going to be um doing the speech so debate in the morning
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speech i'm also going to bring my partner of crime frank come here frank come and angie will probably
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be with me as well chat you guys want to meet me you guys want to meet angie uh it's going to be a
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a good time frank come up here buddy here so for all you guys that don't know this is my dog frank
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i know we got a lot of new viewers here he is a 100 border collie
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bro is extremely handsome look at that look at that luscious coat come here okay
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he's got big he's about almost 50 pounds now so he's uh 11 months old
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he's a 100 border collie i've had i got him from uh like a farmer and for those that are unaware
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border collies are are herding dogs and um you know that's what they do they basically and they're
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the smartest um smartest dogs high highest iq dogs they have like the iq of like a little child like a
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five or six year old child they say so very very smart this guy he knows a lot of tricks he knows
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um he i walk him without a leash i'm very proud of him man whenever i take this guy outside i i truly
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do this thing is the the master race dog right he makes everyone every other dog look stupid they're
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over here tugging on their on their on their owners and shit like that this dude is always chill
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so um frank give me a paw give me a paw good job okay
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i love you too buddy okay okay buddy all right you go you go back all right okay um yeah so i i take
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care of him obviously um and angie takes care of him he's recovering from a sickness so he's he's better
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now though that's why angie took him yesterday for the medicine but angie will be there with
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me as well she'll be recording behind the scenes stuff um and we'll make and we're going to put out
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a vlog for you guys as well after the fact after it's done so yeah jump on in guys it'll be a good
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time april 22nd this monday okay let's get back to the victims son she referred to him as her son but
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she was his stepmom she is his stepmother um she's a sheriff's deputy of 18 years this was her uh
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and we saw pictures of her yesterday guys she's a little bit of a bigger woman apartment issued a
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firearm that was retired and so she purchased it so it was her in her own personal possession it
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belonged to her she doesn't know what she means guys so this is very common right so in law enforcement
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what will end up happening a lot of times is they'll have you know every every agency has um
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their issue gun okay if you work for the department they're going to give it to you so for example for
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me when i got on with hsi the gun of issue was a six hour p229 dak okay with the super long trigger
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pull that gun was trash and it was heavy i didn't like it right so when i graduated from the academy
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they gave me my six hour dak right and as soon as i got to my field office in laredo texas i said
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all right i'm gonna go ahead and buy myself a glock okay because i didn't like the the sake the trigger
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pull was too long it was too heavy i just didn't like it um so what i did was i went and i bought
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uh because at the time glock 17s and glock 26s were approved so i went and i bought myself a glock 17 and
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i went and bought myself a glock 26 i bought them on my badge right um because a lot of the times
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what you know if you buy the gun on your badge you could get a blue label you can which which makes
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it a bit cheaper um and you also don't have to go through all the bullshit background checks so as
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soon as i got to laredo i went to the gun store used my creds bought two two glocks um then once you get
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the guns you fill out paperwork you get with your firearms instructor hey i'm gonna put these guns in my
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repertoire i'm giving you back the sig so slash the armor because the sfi or um uh center center
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firearms instructor whatever it may be different agencies have different uh acronyms for them but
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for us we call them sfis i'd give them the glock back and then bam um and the database that we use
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to track like the weapons and shit like that um i would uh what's it called um he would put the two
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glocks under my position even though i bought them but they would be my glocks that i would use for
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official carry right and then they give you official rounds to use so that is how it typically
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works now what more than likely happened was she had a certain service they had a certain service
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weapon she didn't like it she went and bought her own gun and then the agency might have said all
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right we're not using these guns anymore or she just decided you know what i don't want to use this
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gun anymore i like it but maybe i want to get a h and k now and then she takes it off of her armory
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list and switches to another gun but it was personally purchased as a according to the sheriff
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yesterday when they asked so it was her gun she had used it for duty for a bit and then she stopped
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using it and there's any there could be a multitude of different reasons either the agency said hey
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you can't use this gun anymore right they banned it or some shit like that or she just found another
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gun that she likes better more than likely a lot of times when people switch their gun um because a
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lot of times they'll let your grandfather in right so like um so for i'm really getting in the weeds
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right now but let's go ahead and do it there was an agent i knew good guy um he's still a supervisor
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down in laredo right now he came on the job and he was u.s custom service under u.s custom service
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because remember um hsi was formerly u.s custom service and ins together when he was a custom
00:54:09.980
service agent one of the guns that was approved was a ump basically like a fucking um um
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um like a submachine gun right now when hsi came when when um u.s custom service merged into hsi
00:54:26.460
right they did away with the ump and no longer became a standard uh issue law gun but since he
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had been on the job and that's what he was issued when he was a customs agent he was able to be
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grandfathered in and keep that gun and use it but if he had turned it turned it back in or gave it away
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um he would not be able to use it again so a lot of times when you come into an agency she's been
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on for 18 years i guarantee you they've changed sop a bunch of times they've changed guns different
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times different standard issues whatever um when you when you come into the agency and they switch
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things around a lot of the times agencies will let you be grandfathered in with whatever you get
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right so for a long time um you could have a revolver as a backup but you couldn't have it as a
00:55:05.020
primary right so and a lot of agencies are like that by the way um so what i'm anticipating here
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or what i think is more than likely um she probably switched it to maybe a smaller or a bigger gun
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and um and then she retired the other one right so yeah anyway
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her personally um when she was issued a new give me once if that all makes sense for you guys chat
00:55:32.300
it's a very nuanced thing and very detailed but that's how a lot of times it works with these uh
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law enforcement agencies they have an approved list of guns and then they give you a gun when
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you graduate the academy but a lot of people don't like the issued gun or they don't like the um
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they don't like the issued gun or um they want to buy their own oh another reason too why it's good
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to get your own gun here's another one hey y'all like that one that's a new angle another reason why
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it's good to get your own gun because if shit like this box software someone steals it
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right and does some bullshit it's not going to be as bad because it's not an agency issued gun it's your
00:56:11.100
gun okay obviously this is the worst case scenario you're going to be using the commission of a crime
00:56:16.220
but it's far better than it being an agency issued gun that gets stolen okay you can take the l when
00:56:21.340
it's your gun but when it's the agency's gun you deal with a lot more scrutiny
00:56:31.020
a handgun by the department and so we are still trying to find out if he took it without her knowledge
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um did she give it to him exactly what happened that led to him in his state in his mental state
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being able to take the gun go to the university campus and carry out this uh act we're also still
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a debrief live give me ones and guys if you're watching on youtube that's how you get the 4k if you
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if you watch on rumble you're still going to get damn near 4k because the rumble quality is better
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than youtube in general but on youtube i'm streaming in straight up 4k 2160p
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yeah you guys could yeah definitely show love to tpc films he's probably going to send in a super
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chat and tell me to adjust some of the settings i already know but that's i kind of wanted to see
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if i could figure it out on my own instead of calling him at three o'clock in the morning and
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shit uh okay welcome to all you guys marshall bell uh peter gallegos snowman uh tony h uh nino
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uh truff tolk welcome to all you guys that are first time viewers on a live stream
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on rumble commit crimes niggas name is commit crimes david esparza shout out to all you guys
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probate a username called commit crimes okay so looking at kind of what led to this downward
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spiral that led to him actually carrying out the act yeah where was his mind to commit such
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violence as police have alleged so anna let's listen to part of an interview between our major garrett
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and the vice chair of the democratic national committee david hogg for our viewers who don't
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remember mr hogg survived the deadly 2018 parkland florida high school shooting let's listen
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i'm thinking about my friends that are at fsu a lot of the young people who worked with us in
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march for our lives that i had to text and say hey are you okay and thankfully the friends that
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i texted are okay but there's a lot of students from parkland at fsu and what what i what really
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bothers me here is that in florida we worked in a bipartisan matter to pass reforms after parkland we
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passed a red flag law that has been used over 19 000 times to disarm people that are risked
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themselves and others and no law is perfect by any means clearly but we still have so much more work
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to do david led so many students to march in the weeks and months after that and also led efforts
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where that legislation is concerned you know in the weeks after the 2018 stoneman douglas school
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was shooting to his point florida passed those wide-ranging gun control legislative items but
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now there's a renewed push we understand anna to cut one of the restrictions that came out of that law
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what can you tell us that's exactly right uh in fact it even passed in the uh house uh the florida state
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house that would repeal the um the sort of regulations barring young people under the age of 21 from
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purchasing both handguns and long guns that it did not pass in the senate but you have seen this
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momentum uh across the country really and specifically in the state of florida to repeal and pull back gun
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laws that had been in enacted particularly during the biden administration and even in prior
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administrations to try to create a safer environment on campuses across the country
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um and just in other in other places where people gather reed talking laws while those who grieve
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gather today mindful of those lost and those who are still recovering in hospital anna schecter cbs
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news senior coordinating producer we thank you for that information well president donald trump
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offered condolences and spoke briefly about the shooting but when asked if he would take a look at
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gun laws in life but i find interesting that donald trump has not talked about austin metcalf out of the
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violence yesterday here's what he had to say he said his job i'll tell you how this if austin metcalf
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was one of those he would have done a whole speech on that they would have done a whole speech on that
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job is to protect the second amendment watch look i'm a big advocate of the second amendment i have
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been from the beginning i protected it and these things are terrible uh but the gun doesn't do the
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shooting the people do it's you know a phrase that's used probably too often i have an obligation
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to protect the second amendment i ran on the second amendment among many other things
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and i will always protect the second amendment for more on all of our updated details and
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reporting on the florida state university shooting go to our website cbsnews.com all right so
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that's the so we know one of the victims was an uh older hispanic male who's doing catering job
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information about the two people who were killed police have not yet released their names but we
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do know that they were not students here on campus so still trying to get more information there but we
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know that the wounded are still being treated at a local hospital here in tallahassee but fortunately we
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know as of yesterday afternoon everyone is still in fair condition so good news there yeah and as we
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see the school has canceled classes following all of this katie weiss we appreciate that update thank
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you so much for more on all of this we want to speak now with retired fbi special agent and
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behavioral profiler mary ellen o'toole she is the director of forensic science program at george mason
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university good morning to you we appreciate you being with us obviously this just happened late
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yesterday but what early details are standing out to you if you approach before we get into that
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let me go ahead and look at some of this stuff all right so we got here um it's chat time ninjas
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okay hitman soul says what are your thoughts on the pakistani isi and wass motherfuckers run up the
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likes i appreciate that hitman soul um i think you mean their intelligence service no opinion really
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they helped uh get they helped get osama um victor ziegler hardest working man on the internet you
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know it bro uh did you view did your view on capitalism change due to being aware of the jq ending
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capitalism is highly j2 um it doesn't matter bro communism is run by them too it doesn't matter
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like you know karl marx his real name was mordecai that's all you need to know uh get the grill of
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mind the bbqc is my guy gonna be a good show as always any chance of showing your training methods
01:05:13.420
with frank i've done a great job with mine but wanted to see how others go about it um
01:05:18.300
i showed it on instagram honestly but they fucking banned me on there what if i get my instagram back
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i'm trying to get it back i'll go back to doing instagram lives with you guys on that
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ever since i listened to try to tree swinger monkey music started listening to guns and roads and
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other classes where i've been going crazy in the gym highly motivated enthusiastic about working out
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appreciate you mine for opening my eyes i got you bro i got you man i'm glad i put you onto some uh
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some good classic rock um we got elbow ace here says glock 26 with the plus two extension on the
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magazine is the best edc love mine also love my 19 yep those are two guns i have as well i also got a
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glock 17 but um art says hey martin just want to say that people don't really understand how hard it is
01:06:01.500
to do what you do every single day the kind of consistency is a normal respect bro you didn't
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just red pill me on women you shifted how i see a lot of things especially oh slash i appreciate that
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arc that's my goal man is to make you guys more competent and um better critical thinkers with
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everything because honestly bro they lie to us about everything chat they lie to us about everything
01:06:21.100
like they lied to us about women they lied to us about 9 11 they lied to us about who runs this country
01:06:26.540
they lie to us when it comes to politics they lie to us when it comes to the war of foreign conflicts
01:06:31.500
you know they lie about everything man so my job really is to um not just red pill you guys on
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female nature which they lied about that quite a bit um but everything else as well because what i
01:06:43.660
come to realize is the mainstream narrative and the things that they taught us in school it's all been
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taught in a way to keep us either stupid poor or fat because when you're stupid poor and fat you can't
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really mount a revolution all right and that's what it's about it's about you know rome had the
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best entertainment before the um before the civilization went under they had some of the
01:07:07.340
best coliseum uh entertainment right before they went under so and that's kind of where we are now
01:07:14.860
right people are entertained by retarded streamers doing stupid shit right they're retarded they're
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entertained by um movies and entertainment all this other stuff and people aren't really questioning what
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the fuck is going on which you know that's where i kind of come in um and try to wake the people up
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all right we got here uh jr from dallas what is really stopping us from identifying as j if we did
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wouldn't we water down the impact of their influence i don't i don't get it uh the color profile is the
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only thing that might need adjusting but maybe a higher iso background is a bite yeah this is it right
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here of course um so he's saying the color profile is the only thing we might need to adjust it but
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maybe a higher iso background is a bit dark and you are able to change the angle keep you in that bird
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starts camera location we spoke about bro but you know if you tell me that you need me to get on a
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call through ambro i'm waking my ass up to help always i appreciate that man um whenever you need help
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uh so just let me know when you need to make the debrief for the rest okay yeah man but we're
01:08:20.700
definitely trying to make it a higher quality compared to these other low budget podcasts for
01:08:24.620
sure shout out to tpc films um okay we got here did you find out name of black chick carrying a
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starbucks drink who walked by the white chick that's was shot no i did not i did not see that
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all right well i did not see the video i heard about the video but i didn't see it
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every teacher should have training over the summer break on first aid and concealed carry
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make it optional of course but give the incentive of a higher pace since they will be a first
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responder in medical and force that will deter so many future events i agree that's a fantastic idea
01:08:54.220
jl drewski you call my dog a mutt nigga you're a mutt your mom fucked a nigerian for facts that
01:09:01.500
nigga yeah you he his mom definitely did fuck a nigerian remember interview times he told me i was a
01:09:06.540
peasant and told me to be gone okay jr it's not true uh jojo says allow all
01:09:11.580
teachers to carry guns in schools of course in a safe uh only they can access also have at least
01:09:17.980
two cops trained with uh three weapons available ar glock 12 gauge how can this get done um
01:09:27.100
where i'm at here uh montrell says uh martin did you hear about the school shooting at wilmer
01:09:32.300
hutchins high school in dallas sex is the shooter recorded video explain why i did it i covered that
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yesterday i covered yesterday it's in yesterday's stream we made fun of him habibi can you please
01:09:41.100
bless the stream real quick by reciting surah al-fatah bro no nigga no they're gonna look at me crazy and
01:09:47.820
this is not a muslim uh an islamic stream bro if you want the um islam apologists there's a bunch of
01:09:54.300
good channels you can watch you can watch mohammed hijab you can watch daniel uh i can get you um there's
01:09:58.940
plenty of um you know you go watch sheikh suleyman these guys are all islam apologists like we're
01:10:06.860
not gonna make this channel a religious channel bro so no um king rich my boy let's go let's start
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the day and for those of you that are wondering what this nigga's talking about the surah fatah is
01:10:16.540
the first suit of the quran it's the most one of the most important you lead off every prayer with
01:10:20.300
it but that's not like come on man that'd be that'd be unfair to everybody else that that watches
01:10:25.260
the show they don't watch it for um religious content man there's a many better religious
01:10:30.220
content creators than myself that you can watch um what's going on uh myron w stream and i hope we
01:10:38.460
can get to see the new aerial view on today's show uh and i sent you a video template for the
01:10:43.340
intro of the debrief okay i appreciate that let's see here
01:10:50.060
all right let's see what this uh fbi analyst got to say filing and investigating this case
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um well thank you for having me and guys do me a favor we got 691 likes we got
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3 000 plus you guys in here so do me a solid like the video guys
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okay follow the channel if you haven't already but yeah subscribe to this uh like the video guys
01:11:11.820
let's get the engagement we should be at at least 1 000 likes for a couple of things that continue even
01:11:16.940
after 25 years of columbine and the anniversary is coming up this week which makes april a tenuous
01:11:23.340
month for these kind oh yeah it's gonna be 25 years yeah holy cases we still tend to think about these
01:11:32.540
shooters as physically looking different than we are and i think the the last young lady put it very
01:11:39.180
well she said how could somebody i know do something like this so physically these people
01:11:45.820
do not stand out there's nothing about them that would would reek of i intend to go into a campus
01:11:52.300
and start shooting but we do tell people look for warning behaviors and sometimes these behaviors can
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be subtle and as they get closer to the date of the shooting they can certainly be more pronounced
01:12:03.180
but these warning behaviors are honestly the only thing that allow law enforcement to intercede
01:12:09.500
before the event occurs and my sense is that as they go in and they are looking for information
01:12:15.580
about the shooter's background they're going to find a keen interest in other shootings we see that in
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in other cases and one of the shootings that he very likely was interested in would be the columbine
01:12:28.380
high school shooting and mary it's a reason why we in the media now try not to name the suspect or even
01:12:34.860
when they're convicted for fear of copycat killers what will investigators try yeah they kind of did this
01:12:42.780
as well with um so and just to give you guys a quick history of like the the rock starring of serial
01:12:51.500
killers and killers in general um all right i'm gonna
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give me one second i'm gonna get up i'm gonna get a monster these things have like no
01:13:06.220
fucking caffeine in them man shits are trash they taste good but there's no caffeine in them bro
01:13:09.900
it's like uh 100 200 milligrams is nothing give me one sec
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let's talk about this real quick because this is kind of um important yeah dave denaro you're about
01:13:45.980
to get banned bro you're literally about to get banned doing this dumb shit that you're doing right
01:13:49.340
now bro i'm gonna i've warned you before if you keep doing that dumb shit you're gonna get banned bro
01:14:01.180
and you know what it is you know i'm all for free speech
01:14:03.740
but you're in here clearly spamming the shit when you know that the chat is up on screen
01:14:09.180
you criticize me all day i don't even care but don't be spamming
01:14:11.660
fucking slur words trying to get my shit in trouble bro and you know that the screen's on the chat's on screen
01:14:19.340
this is my last warning to you bro i've warned you like twice or twice already on this shit
01:14:28.700
all right um so anyway so what's up happening chat a lot of the times
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all right okay so as you guys know the serial killer era right in the 1970s was a very profound
01:14:50.140
time right the u.s interstate highway system led to the explosion in serial killings all across the
01:14:58.460
united states why well because a serial killer like it said bundy by the way can go ahead and kill someone
01:15:03.740
in one state use interstate highway system travel to another state commit the same crimes and just
01:15:08.300
go onwards this is why a lot of the serial killers the most prolific ones honestly um typically kill
01:15:12.540
people in multiple states ted bundy samuel little etc which samuel little by the way has the most
01:15:17.980
confirmed kills right so um so what ended up happening right because this was such a novel thing
01:15:25.740
was a lot of these serial killers got kind of immortalized okay they would get books written on
01:15:31.260
them tv shows on them they'd get so much press coverage documentaries etc and this led to obviously
01:15:39.580
the victims of the family uh the family victims or the the families of the victims getting angry
01:15:45.420
saying yo this is bullshit like you know for example john wayne gacy was a painter and used to make art
01:15:50.620
in prison and one that i'm happening was people were trying to sell the paintings and make a bunch
01:15:54.780
of money and the family sued and they went ahead and got all the proceeds from it right
01:15:57.740
same thing with jeffrey damer and all these serial killers and there was put there's been legislation
01:16:02.380
put in place to kind of prevent serial killers from profiting off of their crimes
01:16:07.260
and that speaks to a bigger thing the united states right we have a lot of crime here but
01:16:14.060
there's certain criminals that get certain levels of accolades and respect for their crimes you got
01:16:18.620
serial killers like ted bundy and jeffrey damer john wayne gacy the killer clown um the green river killer
01:16:24.380
um aka i think it was gary ridgeway like we know these names these these are household names the
01:16:30.620
night stalker richard ramirez we know these names btk dennis rater right these people have been
01:16:36.460
immortalized through culture but what i've noticed actually since the 1970s up until pretty much the
01:16:43.020
2000s was they started to slowly stop immortalizing these serial killers with books and media and
01:16:50.300
everything else like that news companies started to talk about them less news companies started to
01:16:55.580
give them less clout less attention than their predecessors back in the 1970s and 80s and i would
01:17:00.940
say there was one triggering a moment that made the media stop idolizing killers
01:17:09.580
and it was after the boston marathon bombing okay and i'm going to show you guys something here
01:17:37.020
this for all of you guys that remember i'm going to pull it up for you guys
01:17:49.740
the rolling stone went viral for publishing um a magazine with the one of the boston marathon bombers
01:18:00.700
zokhar zarnev right why the fuck won't this thing go back um giving him the cover of the rolling stone
01:18:09.900
magazine back in like 2013 2014 uh yep july july 2013 right this was the article this was sorry this
01:18:19.820
was the magazine this sent people up the wall right um and i remember after this um they pretty much
01:18:31.100
stopped talking about killers and giving them uh clout after this this this backlash so um ever since
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that news companies have made a very concentrated effort to not um immortalize these killers which i
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think is a good idea uh but i would say this this right here was kind of the death of it um
01:18:53.100
this rolling stone cover they got a lot of fucking backlash they had boycotts and everything for this
01:18:58.140
for putting him on the cover see the bomber how popular promising student was failed by his family
01:19:02.620
fell into radical islam and became a monster right because they gave him like this fucking rockstar type
01:19:07.420
look in front of uh on the cover of rolling magazine rolling stone magazine now magazines like this are
01:19:12.860
dead but 10 years ago plus guys people were still reading magazines 10 years ago
01:19:18.380
i to find out about him because he may not be giving accurate information in interrogation or
01:19:24.780
investigations interviews right now well that's right and and i know your policy the media's policy
01:19:32.300
is to not give the name out yes and women do love psychopaths this is why when ted bunny had his trials
01:19:37.180
and richard ramirez and jeffrey damer um women showed up to these trials in droves chat in droves
01:19:45.180
look at luigi mangioni look at luigi mangioni they're doing everything in their power to suppress him
01:19:50.940
being a a martyr but social media they can't stop it all the news medias have been denouncing him
01:19:56.140
but on social media they love luigi right like look look at this i'll show you guys what i mean
01:20:26.220
the maryland native accused of shooting and killing the ceo of united healthcare appeared in the new york
01:20:30.940
courtroom yesterday it was luigi mangioni's first appearance in court since his arraignment in december
01:20:36.380
fox five's kind of the liberals love this guy molten has more a lot of eyes on this one
01:20:42.300
today luigi mangioni is facing several state and federal murder charges one of them could carry the
01:20:48.140
death penalty the judge has yet to set a trial date today mangioni was escorted into a new york
01:20:53.980
city courtroom in a bulletproof vest handcuffs and shackles the defense argue that it hasn't received
01:21:00.700
all the evidence but investigators say they have over and they're escorting him like this because
01:21:04.940
they're scared that someone's going to try to break him out of jail because he's getting so much
01:21:08.540
support overwhelming evidence showing mangioni targeted and murdered united healthcare ceo brian
01:21:14.460
thompson outside an investor meeting in midtown manhattan in december look at this bro outside his
01:21:22.460
latest hearing quite the same supporters of the accused killer lined up hoping to catch a glimpse
01:21:28.540
there was even a truck decorated with support they got luigi hats on look a bunch of women in here
01:21:33.900
messages there i don't believe luigi's the one who did it there's a lot of people who have been
01:21:39.980
hurt and killed by our health care system luigi's right to a fair trial is being infringed upon
01:21:45.500
because he is being publicly treated as guilty last week mangioni made his first statement since he was
01:21:55.340
locked up posted to a website set up by his attorneys it read quote i am overwhelmed by
01:22:00.700
and grateful for everyone who has written me to share their stories and express their support
01:22:05.900
i'll tell you this uh you know if he wasn't a chad he would have been getting this kind of support
01:22:10.380
but yeah um women like psychopaths like this man um oh shit what the hell
01:22:16.540
the reaction of the nation in the awful assassination of united health from its store
01:22:24.620
look t-shirts and shit like that it violates their policies we've got singers songwriters composing
01:22:30.140
folk songs that praise him somewhere in seattle roadside mysteriously started broadcasting
01:22:36.460
one less ceo many wow more to go politicians like senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts
01:22:45.260
are yes but basically justifying his actions because supposedly this is a blow against the evil
01:22:54.380
healthcare health insurance whatever industry there's offers to pay his legal fees donations
01:23:01.100
to his commissary fund he's kind of achieving a heartthrob status with the likes of former washington
01:23:08.060
post new york times tech reporter taylor lawrens practically moving to marry him in prison it seems
01:23:15.420
now some of these people think they have a policy issues that are somehow relevant that somehow
01:23:22.780
killing a healthcare executive does something about the mess that is healthcare in this country
01:23:27.660
and health finance it's not in fact many of the proposals will only make things worse obamacare has
01:23:35.340
made things worse it's made it harder to see your pcp harder to find pcp it's forced the corporatization
01:23:43.340
of medical practices it's so hard to find just a single practice doctor anymore or at least a good
01:23:50.540
one people think they're responding to the issue but they're responding to the impulse the crazy impulse
01:23:56.700
he wants to make it all simple and kill people until the system does what he wants they want the system
01:24:02.540
to do what they want without thinking through how this works the sad fact is that there's always going
01:24:07.820
to be some rationing of medical care you can't spend infinite amounts of money on infinite people
01:24:11.980
we don't have infinite amounts of money and we have other things we want to spend on and save on
01:24:16.700
and of course you know it's also that he's here's the other thing too good looking he seems very hip he
01:24:22.300
lived a cool alternative lifestyle as with many such mentally ill people he's attractive he's fit in fact
01:24:27.660
yeah maybe fit as related to trying to deal with his mental illness we don't know it's all sad but for
01:24:33.260
people to project onto this one guy who yeah here's the thing that that's a big reason why because
01:24:39.820
um you know the guy came from a privileged background for those of you that don't know
01:24:43.580
he went to an ivy league school he went to upenn guys in penn in philly very good school ivy league
01:24:47.900
school okay um he was uh had a high gpa guy was very intelligent very very smart um so good good
01:24:57.500
background so when he did him committing this murder right under the premise of like social
01:25:03.660
justice with with insurance a lot of people are going to empathize with that like oh wow this is
01:25:07.820
so cool that he did this etc that's why all these women are going wild for this dude like taylor
01:25:12.700
lorenz i think she got in a whole argument with uh who was it again basically let me look here because
01:25:19.500
she was like going crazy about this on twitter she had a whole argument yeah she yeah she uh she
01:25:27.900
got in a spar with hannity about this shit so because she was fangirling
01:25:37.100
all right former washington post and um i forget what the name is it's something um chat what do you
01:25:42.300
guys know the term for it it's a it's a term that only women do have for men that are like uh killers
01:25:47.980
that they find that find them attractive it's it's i forget the term rolos talked about it and mo
01:25:51.820
knows it but i can't get off the top of my head but um basically women have like this strange
01:25:59.740
attraction to men that are capable of violence well obviously we know that but there's a certain term
01:26:04.140
for it um some of the chats gonna gonna um gonna put it but um you know it is what it is and here's
01:26:13.020
the thing i've talked about the insurance industry but i'll talk about it real fast you guys
01:26:17.980
do we have a health care problem in the united states yes we do let's be honest here we do
01:26:25.660
right we don't have universal health care so our health care system is heavily reliant upon the
01:26:32.140
insurance industry okay um basically a lot of americans don't have insurance and the ones that
01:26:36.540
do have shitty terms and then some some of the people that even do have insurance don't get the actual
01:26:40.380
coverage that they pay for and you know let's be very candid here the insurance industry is a dirty
01:26:46.700
industry it's the only industry where they get paid to not render the service that they're paid
01:26:51.500
for okay i know you guys are probably wondering what the fuck are you talking about well you guys
01:26:57.340
got to understand that insurance companies are almost like gamblers with a high degree of certainty
01:27:03.740
and accuracy they take a bet that they're not going to pay you on a claim okay even though you're
01:27:10.540
paying them every month for them to take your claims and they do this with a multitude of
01:27:15.660
different resources they have actuaries they have in fraud investigators they have people that crunch
01:27:21.580
the numbers they have people that do all types of stuff to ensure that they don't pay you as a matter
01:27:26.460
of fact they spend more money sometimes on finding ways to not pay you than actually paying you okay
01:27:35.420
so what's happening a lot of times is people that thought they were going to be covered
01:27:40.300
don't get covered they don't get the metal medical coverage and they end up dying right
01:27:45.340
and it's a very unfortunate thing right um you know this is one of the biggest criticisms of capitalism
01:27:50.460
is when you capital try to capitalize on health care it inevitably leads to evil practices evil uh things
01:27:58.460
and people end up dying because of money things that are preventable in the united states where we're
01:28:03.420
the first royal country that has some of the best um medical care in the world people are dying of
01:28:08.860
things that could be uh prevented because of insurance coverage now there's different ways to deal with
01:28:13.420
this you can go ahead and look for candidates that understand this problem and want to do something
01:28:18.700
about this problem and use your voice and vote which is the right way to do about do it or you could be
01:28:24.540
a moron like luigi and think let me kill this ceo and that's gonna spark some change when in reality
01:28:29.740
it's not because all that's gonna happen is you kill an innocent man that has a family and they're
01:28:35.260
just gonna put another ceo in his place that's gonna do the same exact thing right so obviously
01:28:40.940
there's there's um there's different ways to handle this and i understand right i'm not i'm not like one
01:28:45.580
of these morons that doesn't understand that like um we have a problem in america when it comes to health
01:28:50.460
care we absolutely do we really do um but killing people is not the answer right but of course as usual
01:28:56.060
people on the left endorse violence for their political views all the time antifa blm etc they'll
01:29:01.980
burn down cities because of george floyd overdosing on drugs this is kind of just where we are um the
01:29:06.940
left is far more comfortable with utilizing violence and then you guys are kind of see here in this
01:29:10.460
interview with sean hannity and the sailor lorenz girl um she refuses to condone his actions right
01:29:16.140
maybe part of it might be because she finds him attractive maybe part of it might be because she hates
01:29:19.740
the health care system but the reality is is that a lot of these uh leftists these progressives
01:29:24.860
these liberals refuse to condone luigi mangioni's actions because to them they look at uh the ends
01:29:31.100
justify the means in their in their view right where a lot of the times i don't look at it like that
01:29:35.420
especially when it comes to the use of violence to push a political ideology i mean that is by
01:29:39.020
definition terrorism so is insurance industry evil yes it is they do everything in their power to not
01:29:48.780
render what it's to not render the service that you actually pay for but there's other ways to deal with
01:29:53.900
it than hurting innocent people okay um so that's kind of where we are uh with that all right let's
01:30:03.260
uh check out this uh this debate between these two and then we'll get back to the to the shooting and
01:30:09.180
then we'll do the uh um technology reporter for the new york times daily beast and business insider
01:30:18.460
taylor lorenz made a lot of headlines sunday with their comments about the alleged united healthcare
01:30:23.180
ceo assassin luigi mangioni take a look so you're gonna see women especially that feel like oh my god
01:30:28.620
right like here's this man who who's a revolutionary who's famous who's handsome who's young who's smart he's
01:30:35.820
a person that seems like this morally good man which is hard to find okay she claims she was just
01:30:42.380
expressing the views of his supporters but remember just hours after the murder she responded to a story
01:30:47.820
about blue cross blue shield no longer covering anesthesia for some full-length surgeries writing quote
01:30:53.900
and people wonder why we want these executives dead
01:30:56.620
that's crazy bro that's absolutely crazy them dead she later tried to clarify i'm telling y'all bro
01:31:05.580
the left gets away with violence way more man i've been saying this i will die on this hill
01:31:12.540
because i've seen other liberals like destiny and stuff like that say that conservatives are more
01:31:16.140
violent no they're not bro no they're not liberals are way more violent than conservatives and i'll tell you
01:31:24.380
why since the jim crow era right and you know the whole um the civil rights movement
01:31:36.940
anyone that pushes extreme conservative talking points whether it's you know why nationalism and
01:31:42.700
these other stuff they get put on a list and go to jail immediately bro okay like if they do some
01:31:48.460
shit they're gonna get caught they're gonna go to jail right a lot of these people that are in these uh
01:31:53.020
groups these far right groups are always being monitored right look at thomas russo over at the
01:31:58.300
patron front they got them niggas under surveillance they put they try to put agents into their
01:32:02.380
organization right well when it comes to like these blm riders in antifa etc bro these guys are burning
01:32:09.660
down major cities and not going to jail at all so the left is more violent because they can be violent
01:32:17.260
like this girl's literally calling for um the death of insurance ceos that's crazy if a conservative
01:32:25.820
said this they'd be banned immediately comments but appeared to double down publishing a piece
01:32:30.380
on substack that said in part quote if you have watched a loved one die because an insurance
01:32:35.180
conglomerate has denied their life-saving treatment as a cost-cutting measure yes it's natural to wish
01:32:39.820
that the people who run such conglomerates would suffer the same fate sunday's comments came roughly
01:32:43.980
a week after she expressed disappointment in a post on next when she learned uh a tweet claiming joe
01:32:49.420
biden had not died was not true remember back in november she posted saying quote joe biden is a war
01:32:54.300
criminal who should never know peace technology online culture bro is this girl hold on bro i'm getting very
01:33:44.140
all right so she exposed the libs of tick tock girl
01:34:09.580
my spidey senses are tingling chat uh uh what's this girl's background bro
01:34:31.100
uh journalist taylor lorenz is here to explain all right try to explain this to me you feel joy those
01:34:37.420
are your words that you felt joy over the murder of this father no those are the words you use you
01:34:43.180
can shake your head all you want um and we have the we have the tape and and then you go on to say
01:34:48.620
and people wonder why we want these executives dead then you posted an image of the blue cross ceo kim
01:34:55.420
keck now let me ask you what part of this united healthcare ceo being a father and a husband don't
01:35:01.900
you understand and what part of you having a choice of what healthcare provider you choose to
01:35:07.580
deal with or not do you not understand because you don't have to go with united you don't have to go
01:35:11.500
with blue cross so let me just be extra clear never did i say that i felt joy in his death i said
01:35:19.260
very explicitly if you play the full segment and actually people can watch that segment on my youtube
01:35:22.540
in full not the edited version that pierce showed i said that i felt joy along with millions of other
01:35:26.700
americans that the brutality of our health care system was finally being acknowledged i believe
01:35:31.020
that our current health care system is murderous right i mean we have uninsured americans with a 40
01:35:35.580
higher risk of death compared to insured counterparts that's not the topic if you can talk about
01:35:43.820
healthcare i don't like the healthcare system either and a lot of people have experienced yeah i don't
01:35:46.860
think anybody in america likes bro i will tell you that this is a problem that both the right and the left
01:35:51.580
dislike um you know because here's the thing uh when the problem is if um if you go to like a more
01:36:02.300
socialist healthcare system kind of like canada has what's up happening is everyone starts going to a
01:36:06.860
doctor and the quality drops off people aren't as incentivized to become doctors you have a lack of
01:36:13.500
healthcare professionals and then the line for treatment becomes crazy so you got to be able to find
01:36:19.340
a balance where people are taking it seriously and not just going to the doctor to get out of work
01:36:25.260
um but at the same time everyone should be able to have access to the healthcare so
01:36:29.580
it's a very um it's a very unique situation experience frustration like you're saying that to me
01:36:37.340
is separate and apart from the debate so it's so important for young niggas to go to the gym and
01:36:40.540
exercise and eat well bro so you don't have to rely on this bullshit healthcare system we have
01:36:43.580
if i'm going to be honest with y'all the best healthcare is prevention and that is by taking
01:36:48.460
care of yourself sleeping enough drinking uh water eating vegetables going to the gym training hard
01:36:54.700
that is how you avoid this bullshit healthcare system we have avoid drugs avoid drinking all that
01:37:01.020
shit of praising calling handsome smart intelligence being joyful over the death and assassination of
01:37:07.180
innocent people and that's what your comments did your comments basically put yours kennedy brought
01:37:12.940
around nigawana lecturer seal of approval on murder and assassination and i'm trying to understand
01:37:18.700
whether you like this guy like the way he does business or not you're advocating and putting a
01:37:23.260
smiley face on assassination and i'm trying to understand what is in your soul that that doesn't
01:37:29.260
understand he's a father and a husband here what are you missing there seems to be a missing chip with you
01:37:35.020
sean if you'd like to hear you know i will need to talk uh in order to explain i don't want the
01:37:39.580
rationalization i want you to think about what you said explain what you said i again i'm attempting
01:37:45.340
to right now so i'd ask you to please give the space and try to listen here as i said once again never
01:37:49.740
did i say i felt joy that this man died i said again that i felt joy that millions of americans are
01:37:54.700
millions of really wealthy americans and privileged americans are forcing or forced to wake up to the
01:37:58.700
reality that nearly 70 000 americans die each year due to lack of health insurance i do feel joyful
01:38:03.180
okay you're back to the health care debate why would any human being with a conscience and soul
01:38:07.500
be joyful over an assassination of any person why would anybody be joyful over that because liberals
01:38:13.900
love that good question why don't i explain it's a great question so the other uh so the other clip
01:38:18.380
that you played is not me saying my own beliefs i have quite different beliefs from that what i'm
01:38:22.460
describing and if you watch the full segment not just the clip you'll see that that's like i said when
01:38:26.380
when trump got shot people were like celebrating that shit oh man why'd he miss oh that's fucking weird
01:38:32.780
like you know when biden like uh gets hurt or whatever i'm not like sitting there like cheering
01:38:37.980
like yeah whoo let biden get like no bro that's weird i don't think any american politician um
01:38:46.380
should be getting assassinated or attacked or whatever but it's so strange how like people on
01:38:49.580
the left are like okay with violence it's so weird to me like i don't i mean obviously there's weirdos
01:38:54.380
on the conservative side too that like wish harm upon biden or kamala harris which i think is ridiculous
01:38:59.660
um but on the left i've seen a far more prevalent man far more prevalent um endorsements of violence
01:39:05.820
on the left and on the right for sure that i'm describing the mentality of these fan girls that
01:39:11.580
show up outside luigi's court and show up outside his jail cell those girls are not me okay we have
01:39:15.900
very separate belief systems but i was describing how they believe and now let me explain to you why
01:39:19.980
people in america feel this way people in america feel this way and they feel outraged because again every
01:39:24.700
penny of the 22 billion dollars in profit made by united health was made at the expense and suffering of
01:39:29.020
others and that is violence our health care system is also violent and that is uh guys we got 877 likes
01:39:35.260
let's get to uh 2 000 inches let's get 2 000 likes guys we're only about 100 away violence that people
01:39:41.100
in the mainstream media such as yourself continue to refuse to acknowledge so if you're going to talk
01:39:44.860
about death and violence it's crucial to talk about the death and violence there's a better way than saying
01:39:51.500
that that luigi mangioni is a revolutionary who's famous handsome young smart that is what those
01:39:57.740
people believe and seems like he's a morally good man if you want to have legitimate criticism you
01:40:04.700
could write an intelligent piece saying here is what's wrong with america's health care system
01:40:09.820
like for example i want health care savings accounts uh i would like to see more of the use of
01:40:13.580
telemedicine uh i believe in health care cooperatives i know one that works uh uh josh umber atlas md
01:40:20.460
average person 24-hour concierge care 50 bucks a month there are better ways to do it that's a
01:40:25.180
legitimate debate but that's not how you're saying it you're saying it in ways that are sympathetic
01:40:30.060
to the people that are taking action handsome good-looking this is why people are happy and joyful
01:40:35.740
i'm describing the belief system of his supporters sean oh why don't you condemn them do you condemn
01:40:42.460
do you will you say that anyone that praises this guy is a fake smile is lacking a soul a conscience
01:40:48.380
and a heart do you agree with that statement well what i will say sean once again is that i just
01:40:53.260
asked you a very direct question will you say that anyone that's praising this guy doesn't have a soul
01:40:58.060
a conscience and a heart i don't believe in in in things like you know religious things like souls
01:41:03.420
i'm not asking about religious if you can't chicks are atheist and have sympathy for a dead father and
01:41:09.260
husband do you lack a conscience a soul and a heart that's a simple question you're a smart woman
01:41:14.620
well let me let me respond to you sean i believe that every one of the 70 000 americans that die each
01:41:19.580
year because of lack of health insurance also not answering my question i've done this 29 years
01:41:25.100
taylor answer the question if you think it's okay and you celebrate assassination are you lacking a
01:41:31.340
conscience a soul and a heart i think once again you're conflating me explaining the ideology
01:41:36.620
i'm not complaining you're trying to rationalize them if you support assassination answer taylor answer
01:41:42.700
the question if you support assassination of innocent people are you lacking a conscience and he's got
01:41:49.500
that pierce morgan thing just interrupting soul and a heart simple question go
01:41:54.620
i believe that the assassination of innocent people of innocent people if you want to talk
01:41:59.900
about the assassination of innocent people i believe that the tens of thousands of americans that
01:42:04.700
die each year because of the lack of health insurance of that is to me a violence in itself that
01:42:10.620
is assassination these are these health insurance have that discussion with you but i but we can't have
01:42:14.860
that discussion until you say you can't have the discussion when you're not willing to hear on what
01:42:19.180
my beliefs are and you continue to condemn people that have been committing acts do you condemn the
01:42:24.140
people that tried to assassinate donald trump or would it be a good thing in your mind if or would
01:42:28.780
you understand why people want to kill him or understand why people want to kill elah musk do you
01:42:33.740
understand them too are they handsome people too smart people well so let me let me actually talk to you a
01:42:40.220
little bit about that so i cover violent extremism i've witnessed violent extremism for many different
01:42:45.340
factions right of the political system if for instance somebody shows up and shoots an abortion
01:42:50.300
provider dead i want to understand their ideology i'm i'm a reporter i want to understand their belief
01:42:55.660
system and i want to understand what led them there now let me tell you something because it's
01:42:58.860
interesting you bring up the assassination of if you if you if you resort to violence and you kill
01:43:03.900
innocent people are you lacking a a conscience soul and a heart what's so hard it's really
01:43:10.140
to answer that question well once again when you talk about souls it's not that's not really my
01:43:15.660
specialty but what i do specialize in is extremism obviously you're at a time right now by the way
01:43:20.700
i would say that's obvious okay thank you well we are at a time right now when we're witnessing
01:43:25.660
actually one of the biggest memes on the internet right now is about assassinating trump and elon these
01:43:30.060
are posts with millions of likes that are advocating for the assassination okay simple question
01:43:34.540
that is a sign of a very unstable democracy can you niggas are trying to get the wrap-up music going
01:43:40.620
take a moral stand and condemn that what i condemn is the violence of our system and i would love for
01:43:46.780
you to acknowledge that i'm not asking you to condemn the system do you can taylor do you condemn
01:43:53.020
people that call for assassination you're gonna ask if i condemn hamas next this is crazy
01:43:57.820
that was actually funny love for you to do exactly like pierce morgan i ain't gonna lie
01:44:06.780
acknowledge what i'm actually saying sean and you we seem to be talking past each other
01:44:10.460
i want to talk about the fact that because of cost we need to talk about the 70 of americans by the
01:44:17.820
way believe that the insurance company practices are responsible in part for thompson's debt
01:44:22.220
these are signs of you you want to put a rationalization i am saying anybody that wants
01:44:27.260
to assassinate any innocent person is wrong i don't care if it's a democrat or republican
01:44:32.700
or a father or a husband and i speak that that is a simple truth that anyone with a heart would
01:44:38.620
would easily say on national tv that you're having a hard time with if you want to prevent further
01:44:45.100
deaths and you don't want gun violence in the street which is this music in the background bro i think
01:44:48.700
we both are aligned in wanting right we want peace we do not want violence in this country no matter
01:44:54.140
what side of the political aisle it's coming from you need to understand motives and you need to
01:44:57.820
understand the ideology that people have and that is what my first start with the basics i'm going to
01:45:03.100
help you out why don't you first condemn those that want to be involved in assassination and stop
01:45:08.140
talking about them being handsome and smart and intelligent and i didn't know he's really mad about
01:45:13.980
the compliments i believe that i am describing his supporters who do believe that and i think
01:45:20.780
it's very important just the way that i would try to understand the ideology you can then have
01:45:25.020
supporters last one last question right valley i would try to understand the ideology of any of
01:45:31.020
anyone that would advocate for violence in this country no matter what supporters once again i
01:45:36.460
believe in free speech i believe in free speech if they have not committed any crimes
01:45:40.300
his supporters are outside just saying things they're not committing any sort of you won't
01:45:45.900
condemn his supporters you won't say what they're doing is repulsive bro this is crazy
01:45:50.700
that commercial break music facts um all right let me go ahead and uh read through some of these
01:45:55.420
chats that we'll get back to the the fsu stuff um we got here uh do you see nick nick fuentes crash out
01:46:03.420
yesterday on the n-word no he didn't he didn't crash out bro um alan bernstein we are keeping a
01:46:09.580
close eye on you schmuck all right enjoy the show myron's dog the modern day hack i discovered
01:46:17.660
to having an edge over 90 of people is to have online uh online mentors listen to daily like
01:46:24.780
tai lopez bbd etc not clips actual long-form podcasts um completely different but you're the
01:46:30.860
realist ninja out of them oh yeah you know it bro oyve shut it down oyve shut it down
01:46:37.500
they got me sorry i'm a dumb bitch and can't answer a question from goyim okay
01:46:48.300
um das judan says charlie cook would debate you would cook you in a debate you couldn't even debate
01:46:53.660
charlie kirk you should challenge him to a debate first also health care should have incentives
01:46:58.780
exercise and take care of yourself taylor's a jew by the way she is okay um yeah bro uh
01:47:07.180
charlie kirk doesn't want to do the debate bro i've told her i've said it a bunch of times you
01:47:11.180
won't do it why would we want universal health care to pay more taxes so fat asses that don't
01:47:15.900
take care of themselves get medical coverage now i'm good yeah i i yeah kid i i said that's what
01:47:19.820
i said that's the negative part about it hey ron i'm 25 with two babies and been with my lady for
01:47:25.020
seven years i work as hard as i as much as i can but what would be your best advice to get on the
01:47:29.900
path to being a higher earner i'm constantly looking for higher paying jobs with this nine
01:47:32.780
to five is it getting me anywhere uh you got to get a skill set my friend got to get a skill set
01:47:39.180
got to get a skill set otherwise you're going to be working like you know manual labor jobs that um
01:47:47.020
require low skill and um you'll be easily replaceable um all right so back to the shooter
01:47:54.940
and the psycho a psychoanalysis profile and we we went into the topic of like you know making killers
01:48:01.180
famous which they don't want to do in this case but you know obviously you know they've been doing
01:48:05.820
everything in their power ever since i would say the zokar situation to not make the killers famous but
01:48:11.180
with this luigi mangioni has kind of reared its head again uh where we have this uh over infatuation
01:48:18.220
with killers in america and luigi mangioni obviously i think kind of broke the seal on
01:48:23.740
it once again it was it kind of ended with luigi mangioni other killers didn't get that type of
01:48:28.380
notoriety and now with um sorry it ended with zokar sarnev and now it's resurfacing with luigi mangioni
01:48:35.580
that was my point but nowadays to be quite honest with you that doesn't matter because people that
01:48:42.060
are aspiring to become shooters will go on and they'll find out the names of other shooters
01:48:46.700
but what the fbi and law enforcement will be looking for um is is in his social media they'll
01:48:53.420
go through the computers and the phones and they'll see where he's been spending his time
01:48:58.140
looking through other shootings um that's almost um an absolute that he will have studied other
01:49:04.300
shooters and which shooters did he study also though they will be looking to see did he communicate
01:49:09.820
with anyone did anyone else know about this um shooting beforehand did he share his plans with
01:49:17.580
anybody so the one thing that really stunned me about columbine and we had that was a watershed event
01:49:24.460
for us that these events were things that the shooter actually enjoyed planning for and they even
01:49:31.340
enjoyed carrying it out even more so talking about um the shooting and his plans with somebody ahead of
01:49:37.980
time is is probably in his background because he was excited thinking about what he was going to do
01:49:44.460
it is just chilling uh to hear you lay that out but that certainly is the the state of affairs
01:49:49.820
mary ellen o'Toole thanks for joining us this morning we want to bring in now cbs news correspondent
01:49:55.660
natalie brand she is at the white house tracking the response to this natalie we all and people around
01:50:01.100
the world say why does this keep happening in the us how is the white house responding
01:50:07.580
yeah errol president trump was briefed on the shooting right after it happened speaking to
01:50:12.380
reporters before cameras yesterday he called it terrible and a shame but he was asked by reporters
01:50:17.500
whether he's looking at stricter gun laws in light of this latest incident take a listen
01:50:22.860
i'm a big advocate of the second amendment i have been from the beginning i protected it
01:50:29.100
and these things are terrible uh but the gun doesn't do the shooting the people do
01:50:37.980
now back in february president trump signed an executive order directing his attorney general to
01:50:43.820
look at some of the stricter gun regulations imposed by the biden administration you may remember though
01:50:51.500
during his first administration responding to that terrible massacre in las vegas in 2017 that killed
01:50:59.580
60 people the president did president trump did move to enact a bump on uh a ban rather on bump stocks
01:51:07.660
but that arrow was struck down by the supreme court shortly uh before noon yesterday uh we were notified of
01:51:17.820
a event occurring on fsu campus all right these are some of the doctors talking about it let's see what
01:51:22.780
they got to say um on the victims like medical updates um at that time uh er surgery and or leadership
01:51:32.380
uh as well as our administration uh responded to our emergency department and prepared to receive
01:51:38.620
patients shortly thereafter we began receiving patients those were gunshot wounds to extremities
01:51:47.260
chest abdomen all in a rather stable condition we activated certain resources that we have this is
01:51:56.700
unfortunately things that we trained for although do not expect to occur but we were prepared and
01:52:01.900
activated certain resources uh we in total received six patients um all six were uh in in stable condition
01:52:11.580
upon arrival uh three of them did go to the operating room and have since been out of the operating room
01:52:19.100
all six of them today are in stable condition one which is in fair condition given a serious injury
01:52:26.780
we do feel that uh all will make a full recovery that's good to know um two of them are possibly going
01:52:35.100
home today which we're extremely proud of um overall you know like i said unfortunately we do have to
01:52:42.780
prepare for these sort of events and i can't speak enough for the team that's here and the team that's not
01:52:49.020
here um our community especially our medical community is extremely close um you know everything
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from our our law enforcement our emts firefighters uh fsu you know is a really big part of this hospital and so
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that that relationship as well as the relationship between our nurses our techs our doctors really is why
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uh things here went very smoothly and i am extremely proud of all of them um we will uh open up for
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some questions um otherwise that's it i have a question yes sir in your line of business time is
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everything um can you talk about the work of the ems responders getting patients to you quickly and then
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can you in any sort of way lay out what happens when you receive a sort of kind of i don't know
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if you're going to call it a mass uh incident but some sort of influence of patients from one area how
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that works yes we we have systems in place so we are communicating uh right away with law enforcement
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and ems the the biggest part of this is you don't know how many patients you're going to receive so we
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are prepared to activate as many resources as we need that's why you see so many surgeons up here
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today because uh they all came immediately to help we have a a trauma surgeon that mostly does breast
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surgery now we have a trauma surgeon that does mostly colorectal but they are all right let's see here
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okay before we get into the debate stuff um and then this is the last video i'll play with the fsu stuff
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um this is from law and crime this came out a few minutes ago actually 56 minutes ago any ideas on
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the alleged shooter we'll skim through this this was the press conference
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that is the stepmom holy she's huge allegedly by her stepson this weapon was a weapon that the
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deputy previously used dozens of pages of court documents and we were able to learn a good amount
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about phoenix eichner's childhood his family and a custody battle that went on for years we found in
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leon county court records this image of phoenix eichner's biological mom her name is ann marie erickson
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this image was included in a document related to a 2020 probation violation related to her conviction
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of removing a minor from the state which i'll talk about in a moment this is okay so we can already
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see here that this guy has a little bit of a tough background with uh with his parents 2015 lawsuit that
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was filed by phoenix's biological mom her name is ann marie erickson we went through those pages of
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court documents and they detail a tumultuous divorce custody battle involving the alleged shooter when they
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were young the other name listed as a plaintiff you see there is christian gunner erickson it's been
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reported that the alleged shooter changed his name to phoenix eichner from christian in 2020 that way he
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has a name associated with his biological dad's family christopher eichner who is married to the lcso
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deputy that the sheriff named in the news conference yesterday the shooter's biological mom claimed in the
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lawsuit that phoenix was the victim of psychological and emotional abuse from the time that he was 11 years
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old that suit demanded damages that would go into a college fund for the minor who would grow up to
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become the fsu school shooting suspect named phoenix eichner according to leon county court records
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this case was eventually dismissed but we also found this document that was filed in leon county that
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shows in 2016 the shooter's mom was convicted of a felony charge of removing a minor from the state
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and failure to return a minor erickson spent 30 days in prison she was put on two years probation we
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found erickson's facebook page and she posted this on that page back in 2023 quote love being my son
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christian gunner parentheses phoenix mother as far as who phoenix eichner was in the care on his dad's
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side we see posts like this one on social media of him and other members of his family and here's a
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graduation picture from high school that a family member still had public on facebook phoenix's social
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media accounts were quickly taken down within minutes of the announcement this week of his arrest by
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the sheriff this yeah they always do that they take they they knock out their instagrams their
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facebook's their youtubes immediately is what his instagram profile looked like before it was deleted
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the bio lists a bible verse jeremiah 51 20 which reads you are my war club my weapon for battle with
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you i shatter nations with you i destroy kingdoms that is a what the bruh verse that points to the
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consequences of people who go against god's will now on the surface someone who is the steps
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son of a long time sheriff's deputy who was winning awards for employee of the month someone
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who's active on a youth council that's supposed to be a leader in the community it may seem like
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an unlikely person who very unlikely to be accused of a deadly college campus shooting but people who
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spent time with eichner in class say it is very much the opposite many have said he reportedly had far
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right and racist views he would talk about conspiracy theories in class usa today talked to a classmate who
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said eichner made it clear that he had guns and the student went on to say quote it's so sad and
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so shocking then to see it was him i'm sadly not now i will say this guys it is not hard to get guns in
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florida we just recently did away with needing a concealed carry permit so um it is fairly easy to get
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guns in in florida surprised eichner was reportedly quoted in an fsu student newspaper article in january
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of this year ahead of donald trump's inauguration in response to a campus protest against the then
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incoming president he said quote these people the protesters against trump are usually pretty
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entertaining usually not for good reasons i think it's a little too late he's already going to be
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inaugurated on january 20th and there's not really much you can do unless you outright revolt and i
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don't think anyone wants that as this investigation is just getting started we are starting to learn
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about the victims in this attack this is 57 year old robert morales according to his linkedin okay
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this is the guy that's the caterer guys rest in peace to him man he worked in dining services at
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florida state his brother announced his death in a post on x he wrote that morales loved florida
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state his wife and his daughter according to the miami herald morales was the son of a cuban american
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cia operative this is a picture of morales and his dad oh according to his brother in that post on x
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neither of the people who lost their lives in yesterday's attack were students at fsu but the
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sheriff said in the news conference that five people who were injured were still in the hospital and
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there was one person who was also injured but they were injured running away from the gunfire
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classes at florida state are canceled through the rest of the week several buildings including
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the student union are closed off speaking of cia from what i understand the uh rfk documents are
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basically going to be declassified chat uh so we're going to we're going to talk about that as well
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um so that will also be a story in today's thing and guys don't forget april 22nd
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university of south carolina i will be there debating feminists and liberals and also delivering a speech at
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8 p.m it's going to be a good time i'll be there with frank and angie come meet me come hang out
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oh wrong one sorry chat off there active crime scenes here's a campus map that shows you where
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that student union is located on the north side of campus florida state is a massive state school
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it's got roughly 45 000 students many of them were put into lockdown yesterday for multiple hours as
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police responded here's what one student saw and posted on social media
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You also have to think of the parents and the horror that they lived through yesterday waiting to hear from their students that they were okay.
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I just got off the phone with my daughter who was barricaded behind a door in the Department of Psychology building at FSU for two hours.
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She was, her and like 50 classmates were let out by the SWAT team.
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Florida State has canceled their home sporting events through the weekend.
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Join us now to talk more about the investigation as former NYPD.
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So this is interesting that we have all this information on this guy, Phoenix, coming from a fucked up background.
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Obviously a very ugly divorce slash child separation situation.
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Crime scene investigator and co-host of Crime Time with Duty, Ron Ed Wallace.
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We've learned a good amount of information at this point about the suspect in this shooting.
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Well, we need to do a whole lot of background investigations.
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That's another thing that they were talking about.
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And we're going to cover the Charlie Kirk debate after this.
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We have to establish his online presence, his social media presence.
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His electronic forensics need to be gone through with a fine-tooth comb.
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We have to understand his history of possible mental illness and any medications that he may have been on.
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We know that the handgun that he used was his mom's and she was a deputy sheriff.
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And so apparently it wasn't secure enough for him not to have access to it.
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I'd like to know what triggered him, okay, to do this horrific crime.
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You know, it appears that he rolled up on scene in some kind of orange SUV.
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And according to witness statements, he exited the vehicle with the shotgun and he couldn't get the shotgun to work.
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Ran back to the car and got the handgun and left the shotgun and came back and started shooting.
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Now two of our fatalities are not students at the university.
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It's a, um, it's basically a, um, it's a like for, um, violent men.
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Let me, let me put this shit into Google for you ninjas.
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It's a phenomenon characterized by sexual interest and attractions to those who commit crimes.
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The others are, uh, so a lot of this, uh, should be on film.
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There should be a lot of video and close circuit TV security footage of the outside of these areas at the student union.
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Uh, so hopefully we'll have a lot of, um, footage, uh, to, to look at.
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We need to do a deep dive into, um, the week leading up to this and to see what his social media activity was, who he's talking to, uh, any online posts.
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I'd be subpoenaing all of his phone records, figuring out exactly who he talked to.
02:04:51.820
Um, more than likely, a lot of these active shooters, they act on their own, right?
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Because they know that the more people that know that the easier it is for them to get found out and, or have their, um, idea thwarted.
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Uh, but it's still good to go through their media.
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Uh, anything that he may have said or done online, um, that may suggest that this was coming.
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I noticed on his social media yesterday, cause I was watching the news conference and it was within probably 15 minutes where the sheriff announced his name.
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And if you searched Phoenix Eichner, it was on, on, on Instagram and Twitter, uh, he was there.
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And then the social media presence erased and it was gone.
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His profiles were no longer on those platforms.
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Um, if someone were to delete them, maybe the social media companies, uh, took those, those profiles down.
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Um, from a law enforcement standpoint, how do you go through, are you able to get information from those platforms if the profiles are no longer public?
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Yes, you should be able to get, uh, some history here.
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You go to the, um, judge, you get a subpoena signed or a court order signed by the judge and then serve it upon, uh, the social media companies.
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You also need to send them a preservation letter beforehand, um, so that, you know, they don't, you know, uh, gut the rest of the, um, the content.
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So you send the preservation letter that gives you the time you need to go ahead and get the court order, search warrant, subpoena, whatever it is.
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Um, cause there's multiple ways to get the information.
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If you really want to get in detail, you want to go ahead and just get the search warrant.
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Um, but yeah, you need to send that preservation letter first.
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Uh, hand over, uh, everything that they have in, on file, in the cloud and so forth, uh, for this, these accounts.
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And when you look at classmates who have said he had, um, what they perceived as extremist views, uh, when it came to.
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So several issues, um, how, I guess, how do you, who do you talk to as not only just the social media presence, but who else are you going to talk to as you're trying to put together a picture because he's not talking to police.
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So you're trying to figure out what could have motivated him to do something like this.
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And if you don't hear from him, how do you go about trying to get to what the motive could be?
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So law enforcement needs to put out public messages, uh, that anybody who has been in contact with this individual and may have information concerning his motives, his beliefs, uh, that may have led to this attack, please contact us.
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Um, we got to get that information out, uh, nationwide and possibly even internationally, um, as we've seen in other cases that you and I worked on with an international nexus.
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Yeah. Yeah. Um, and it's just a shocking development is that his mom is, his stepmom is a Leon County sheriff's deputy. She's been a sheriff's deputy for late, bro.
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I don't know if she's a sheriff's deputy or a sheriff's will. What the fuck, man?
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I'd be pissed if, if I was, uh, you know, if I call 911 and this chick showed up, bro, I'd be fucking like, I'm basically dead, bro. I'm dead. She shows up.
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Um, the sheriff spoke highly of her at this news conference yesterday. I'm sure she is in shock, uh, as many parents are when, when they find out that their, their child has been accused of something like this.
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What's it like when you have to go and, and interview someone who is a member of law enforcement?
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Yeah. I mean, in, in my career, I've had several cases, um, uh, involving, um, crime scene investigations and, um, either active or retired law enforcement.
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And it's very difficult. Um, especially when, uh, it is apparent that there was a criminality on the part of these law enforcement officials.
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Um, and it's very difficult, uh, you know, you can sympathize to a certain degree, but in, in the end, she was responsible for safeguarding those weapons.
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Now, my wife and I both retired New York City police detectives, first grade detectives.
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And, um, we raised our family, uh, while we were detectives, um, and, you know, we've always safeguarded and secured our firearms.
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And then when the kids were old enough, you know, we trained them, uh, on the safe handling and the use of firearms, but they never had access to our firearms.
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You walk into the house, you take your gun off, you put on the fucking table, go get yourself a glass of water or some shit.
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Because my wife continued in law enforcement for 21 years of the NYPD and then another eight or, um, 18 years after that with the district attorney's office.
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Uh, then my older son became a police officer as well.
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So we never allowed the kids any access whatsoever, uh, to our firearms.
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Part of that, that I, I, I find interesting is that I think of previous school shootings where someone had access to a firearm that wasn't locked up and they were able to use that weapon in a high school school shooting.
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And I'm sure he knew about gun safety and how to operate and handle guns as well, because he had been in that, um, police group.
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Could the, the stepmom still face charges where maybe she did have, you know, if she did have the gun legally locked up and this was someone who is, um, not a minor and is eventually able to get access to the weapon.
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I mean, how could the law look at how he was able to get to the gun and how does his age factor into what, if, if any trouble that the stepmom could be in?
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Well, if in fact he broke into the mom's storage, uh, locker for the firearm, say a safe, a safe or a strong box or whatever the case may be.
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Oh, and he's an adult. So, you know, he, he committed a crime to gain access to that, um, firearm.
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Then the mother should face no penalties for that.
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Uh, she, if she did that, then she made attempts to secure a firearm and keep it from access from her child.
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And, and then he broke the law to, to, to gain access to it.
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Um, so, and then he'll be charged as an adult because he's 20 years old.
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Uh, he, uh, the sheriff said, uh, invoked his right not to cooperate with the investigation.
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Um, what type of communication, once he puts that, he says, I want a lawyer, I'm not talking.
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So once they say, I want a lawyer guys, if they lawyer up cooked, you can't, you can't engage him anymore.
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It's over. Um, and you can't talk to him unless he has that lawyer present, but you know, obviously this kid's as he's not an idiot.
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He knows that he's cooked, so he's not going to say shit to the cops.
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Um, but yeah, at that point, you can't do anything once they lawyer up.
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Can law enforcement have with him going forward?
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Is there even just checking in to see if he still, uh, has that approach to the investigation?
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Or is it something where you just have to wait for him through a lawyer to contact you?
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Well, you can reach out to his lawyer, but you cannot reach out to him directly now.
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Once the lawyer is involved, uh, all direct communications with this defendant, uh, ceases to exist.
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Uh, any communications between law enforcement will have to go directly to his lawyer and then from his lawyer transmitted to the defendant.
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And then all these decisions will be made between the defendant and his lawyer.
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I know in previous cases we've talked about, and you've lived it in your career, uh, just the methodical approach that a crime scene investigator needs to take in putting together, uh, a tie.
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Now, what I will say is this, let's say they don't say they want a lawyer, but they say, I don't want to talk to you.
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What I would do with that is I'll be, all right, cool.
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Then I'd come back and talk to them and say, Hey, you change your mind.
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But sometimes they just simply don't want to talk to you because they're just not in the mood.
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So sometimes I'll let them spend a couple of days in jail to rethink their decisions.
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Timeline and the evidence that could be used when you get to a trial.
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Uh, when we get to that point, there are at the time of this recording, roughly eight buildings that are closed on the FSU campus, which is a, if anybody's ever been, it is a massive state school.
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What type of, uh, with school and those parts of campus closed off.
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I mean, how do you approach a massive crime scene like that and make sure you have the evidence you would need for trial?
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Well, as I said, by the time the crime scene, people get notified to respond.
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There should be plenty of information about what transpired and where it transpired, where the different shootings occurred, the movements of the suspect and the victims.
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All of that should, uh, should be obtained relatively easily in this case, because in this situation, in these universities and the way our society is today, you can't walk around any place or drive any place without being videotaped.
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But as you said, this could be quite extensive, uh, crime scene, uh, because of the movements from the parked car, um, back to.
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Yeah, what they'll basically do, guys, they're going to close off all the areas where the shooter was at.
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Once they have those areas closed off, they're going to go ahead, pick up any of the bullets or whatever is there, interview all the people that they can.
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And also, keep in mind, guys, the FBI did put out a website specifically for this event where people could come in with information.
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So anyone that was there, anyone that has video footage, et cetera, they're going to be able to get it from there as well.
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And that's one of the FBI does well, is they got a big dragnet that they can go ahead, uh, to use to garner support.
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To campus and then back to the parked car and then around the campus, uh, conducting the attack and then being confronted by law enforcement and finally shot by law enforcement and stopped.
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Uh, so all these areas of concern have to, um, be looked at.
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In addition, um, you know how many rounds were fired.
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You know how many, uh, gunshots, um, uh, the victims have sustained.
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So you're going to have to account for all this ballistics.
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You're going to look up for all the cartridge cases and you got to understand too, in the, um, in the beginning stages of the shooting, uh, the, the people on campus, whether they go to school there or not, are running around like chickens without a head through the crime scene, trying to protect themselves and save themselves.
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So, you know, these potential cartridge cases being ejected from this firearm are being kicked all over the place and or moved or crushed or damaged, possibly altered.
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Um, I hope that's not the case, but in reality, that is highly probable.
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So, you know, you get the information from the two decedents, how many gunshot wounds they have, whether they're perforating or penetrating, meaning if it's perforating, it means the bullet did not exit and is still in the body and should be found on x-ray of the bodies.
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And if it's, um, penetrating, I'm sorry, penetrating means that the, um, bullet stayed in.
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So if there are entrants and exits, then you have to look for those bullets.
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Um, and that could be a daunting task in and of itself, you know, because bullets can fly miles, uh, you know, uh, so you have to track down everything as reasonably as possible.
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Um, and classes are canceled through the rest of this week, sporting events that were going to be held, uh, in Tallahassee, those have been canceled through the weekend.
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Is that enough time for crime scene investigators to gather as much evidence as they can before the school will eventually need to start bringing students back, uh, on, onto campus as they continue the semester?
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It should be, um, now we're into day two now of, of the crime scene, right?
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So it started yesterday and we're into day two.
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Um, so after today, they should know if they're missing any ballistics, right?
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They should know how many cartridge cases, um, they should know the, um, magazine and it's how much capacity it could hold.
02:15:30.660
Uh, they could, they would know how, if there were many magazine changes, did he, uh, expend one magazine full of ammunition and then reload with a new magazine?
02:15:37.680
They should know all this information. Now, uh, they, again, have to add up the shots with the wounds of our victims and make sure they can account for that.
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Now, if they, if they don't line up, uh, then they have to look for what's called ballistic impact marks on surfaces of buildings, vehicles, um, anything that was in the vicinity that could have, uh, sustained ballistic damage from a bullet that, uh, missed its target.
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What are the days look like for, for a crime scene investigator when you are working up against knowing that on Monday night.
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And that's going to be a pain in the ass if they're looking for bullet fragments that hit the wall or whatever, because that's a big campus and those bullets can literally travel anywhere.
02:16:11.840
Next week, the school could be back to business as usual. It's a campus of 45,000 people. Um, for one crime scene investigator, what, what do those days look like?
02:16:20.640
Well, if it's just one, it's going to be a long time.
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It's going to be a long time, but I guess for one person working on, you know, part of the team that's trying to piece things together.
02:16:27.420
So if the crime scene of this magnitude, it can be broken down into, uh, more manageable, um, sectors.
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You don't have to have one team of crime scene investigators process the whole scene.
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If it's this large, then what you could do is you break it down into more manageable, um, you grid it off and break it down into more manageable sections.
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And then you assign multiple crime scene teams to process those individual, uh, sectors.
02:16:48.840
And when you look at, and, and unfortunately we've covered a lot of cases like this, uh, whether it's a school shooting, um, whether it's a, you know, and I know we've talked about Nikita Kassop, who's, um, uh, the, the, uh, young man accused of killing his parents in Wisconsin.
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Um, and I think when, especially in the case of a campus shooting and we see it play out on social media that people want to know what someone's political.
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FYI, we covered that case guys. That's the dude that tried to plot to kill Donald Trump, by the way. FYI, the Nikita Kassop case.
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We covered that one. We read the search warrant, et cetera. Interesting case.
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Police were, and kind of make it this conversation that goes into something beyond the case itself.
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But for you, like as someone who has, who has investigated these cases, you now analyze these cases.
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If there is something that is consistent through the people who commit these types of acts, what would you say that is?
02:17:37.040
Well, right away, what jumps at me is mental illness and, um, and the medications used to treat mental illness.
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I see a common theme amongst, uh, these shooters with regards to these, uh, types of illnesses and medications.
02:17:49.980
Yeah. And, and we've dived into, uh, Phoenix Eichner's family background.
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Seemed like there was some significant custody battles that were, that were going on, um, for, for a long time.
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And, and I'm sure we'll learn more about his mental state, knowing all the information that you could gather from the crime scene and forensics.
02:18:03.900
And then, you know, especially now in a, in a world where on our phones, you can learn so much about somebody.
02:18:07.760
If he never cooperates with law enforcement, are you, how strong of a case can you put, I mean, do you, I mean, certainly we all want to know what the motive was going to be.
02:18:14.620
But in terms of making sure this person, if they did what they say he did, goes behind bars for the rest of his life, do you really need to talk to him?
02:18:21.740
You can have cases that are, uh, circumstantial evidence-based and still get a conviction.
02:18:26.680
So what I, what I've seen in the past is you can do a deep dive on the cell phones, the texting, um, the movements, all the GPS locations in there, um, the social media footprint.
02:18:35.260
Then you look at also the vehicle, uh, you could use the infotainment system to see, uh, when the phone connects there, there's also data stored in there.
02:18:43.280
Um, uh, especially with the social media aspects of it too, there's clouds, uh, you gather up all of this information of what was transpiring, uh, leading up to the event.
02:18:52.060
And then in this case, he was stopped, uh, as he was in the middle of the incident, I shouldn't say event, it's an incident.
02:19:00.340
And so we, we, we don't have any further, uh, electronics, um, coming from him at this point.
02:19:05.520
But, uh, you know, based upon all of this data, you should be able to look at his Amazon searches or, you know, whatever searches he was conducting online, uh, what he was reading online, where he was visiting, what sites.
02:19:16.240
Um, and you should be able to get a profile of who this individual is to probably establish, uh, an MO for why he did this.
02:19:22.920
And just so you guys know, circumstantial cases can be very powerful.
02:19:27.200
YNW Melly's case, you know, you guys know, I've talked about that case extensively, um, is a very circumstantial case.
02:19:36.100
They don't really have too many statements, but they have a whole bunch of data that showed that Melly's phone was there.
02:19:42.660
They showed, they got, um, the ballistic evidence that showed that the gun was shot.
02:19:47.780
Um, the, the people that were killed were shot at close range execution style.
02:19:52.080
But when, you know, when Melly and them gave their, uh, statement to the cops, they lied, obviously.
02:19:57.260
And they said, oh yeah, we got hit in a drive-by shooting.
02:19:59.520
But then when they looked at like the way that the vehicle was, right, there was bullet holes on the side of the vehicle.
02:20:05.960
But the bullet holes on the side of the vehicle didn't line up with the wound patterns of the two friends that were shot.
02:20:11.020
The two friends that were shot were shot pretty much at point-blank range because there was stipling on his skin.
02:20:15.320
And what stipling is, guys, is where, uh, when you fire a gun, it creates, from close range, it creates a burn mark on the victim that's being shot.
02:20:23.500
So, both of his friends that were killed had the stipling on them, which is indicative of you basically being shot within one to two inches away from the muzzle of the, uh, from the barrel of the gun.
02:20:32.340
Um, so, um, that's how they knew there was a short-range shot.
02:20:37.180
But what Melly and his friends did was say, oh, we got hit in a drive-by shooting.
02:20:40.920
And then they, what they did was they pulled over on the side of the road, and the cell phone also confirmed this as well, that they pulled over on the side of the road.
02:20:46.280
And they shot into the vehicle to create the illusion that they were hit into a drive-by.
02:20:50.800
But there were two done to realize that the wounds did not match up with something indicative of a drive-by shooting because of the stipling, right?
02:20:59.340
So, that's an example of where, yeah, I'm talking about Melly right now, Chad.
02:21:03.900
So, that's an example of a very, um, strong circumstantial case because they gave their statements to the police saying they were victims of a drive-by shooting, but the physical hard evidence did not line up to that whatsoever.
02:21:18.480
So, what ended up happening was the evidence and the circumstances spoke for itself, where they tell you it's a drive-by shooting, but you know that they were shot in the vehicle, right?
02:21:29.160
Now, with that said, they also had camera surveillance footage, right?
02:21:33.300
And in the camera surveillance footage, what they showed was when they were living in the music studio, right, what ended up happening was Melly sat in the back left passenger seat.
02:21:43.040
So, he was sitting right behind the driver, okay?
02:21:46.640
The shot pattern of the friends being shot from the close range not only show that they were shot at close range, like I said before, the stipling burn marks, but it showed that they were shot from their left, okay?
02:21:59.200
So, if Melly is sitting where I'm at, right, let's say I'm Melly, and I'm behind the driver, the driver's directly ahead of me, and then one guy is to my right, forward right, and then one guy is to my side.
02:22:15.000
What happened was, I think the driver was a guy named Bortland, right, his buddy, YNW Bortland, who was his buddy.
02:22:27.620
The shots, when he shot his friend directly to his right, and he shot the other person that was in front of him on the right-hand side, and the front passenger, and then the person to the back right passenger, the wound pattern was more indicative of that, okay?
02:22:41.660
And the surveillance footage, as I mentioned before, of them leaving the music video, puts Melly in that fucking seat.
02:22:48.420
And then on top of that, they found one round of ammunition, if I'm not mistaken, .40 caliber, that was found in that seat, which would make sense because once the gun is shot, it'll eject the round.
02:23:02.000
And I guess Melly didn't clean up the back of the fucking car properly, and one round was found there.
02:23:10.760
So, you have wound patterns that indicate being shot from the side.
02:23:17.360
You have Melly in that seat, okay, in the vehicle.
02:23:21.060
You have them pulling over on the side of the road, thanks to the cell phone footage, right, that shows that they pulled over on the side of the road in this area in Miramar that no one goes to.
02:23:33.100
Then you see that Bortland dropped Melly off in the middle of nowhere, right?
02:23:39.020
And the cell phone stuff shows that, and Bortland went to the hospital himself with the two dead friends and said,
02:23:45.620
oh, we were victims of a drive-by shooting, thinking that that story was going to sell, but it didn't make sense,
02:23:51.600
even though there were bullet holes on the side of the car.
02:23:53.160
So, with a case like that, guys, that's an enormous amount of circumstantial evidence.
02:24:01.560
You could convict someone on that, and that is why, to this day, YNW Melly is still in jail.
02:24:06.080
This occurred back in, like, October of 2018, and he's still in jail.
02:24:11.680
They had a mistrial, so now they're doing it again, right?
02:24:15.520
So, we'll see what happens, guys, but that is a perfect example of a circumstantial case.
02:24:22.360
If you guys want more details on the YNW Melly case, because I did a fucking deep dive on this case.
02:24:26.200
I mean, to this day, three, four years later, I still remember the facts and circumstances of the case.
02:24:33.600
I actually read through the criminal complaint from the police on it.
02:25:21.440
Whenever people talk about circumstantial cases and they want a good example, I always point them to the YNW Melly case.
02:25:28.320
Yeah, it's so interesting, too, when you think it's so much more than the...
02:25:32.340
And keep in mind, they don't have the gun, and Melly didn't give a statement.
02:25:36.580
Now, when it comes to this shooter right here, bro, he don't got to give a statement.
02:25:40.260
They got witnesses on the scene that put him there.
02:25:42.100
I think Valuetainment literally put a video up.
02:26:21.620
Do you actually have the sound of him shooting here?
02:26:26.360
You don't see the person getting shot, but you hear him shooting here.
02:26:34.360
It's hard to see, guys, because the footage is not high quality, but this is him right here.
02:26:37.800
Someone, I guess, decided to record this shit on a fucking Blackberry or something.
02:27:01.800
I know in a lot of cases, we talk about Telegram, Discord.
02:27:07.020
I know in the Brian Koberger case out of Idaho, Amazon.
02:27:13.800
An incredibly key part of defendants in these cases and what people are accused of.
02:27:20.580
This is, of course, a story in the very beginning.
02:27:24.000
It's shocking with the background that this shooter appears to have had.
02:27:26.980
And there's going to be a lot of questions moving forward.
02:27:29.800
Ed Wallace, it's always great to have you on Law & Crime.
02:27:35.980
He probably had the gun on his person when they caught him.
02:27:38.580
They're going to do a ballistic match on the guns and the wounds of the people and
02:27:43.040
show that they were, in fact, shot with that gun.
02:27:48.020
They don't need a statement from him, honestly.
02:28:00.840
Nearly 60 years after the tragic assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, the American
02:28:04.860
people will, for the first time, have the opportunity to review the federal government's
02:28:08.880
investigation thanks to the President of the United States' leadership and commitment
02:28:26.280
And, you know, obviously, here's Sirhan Sirhan.
02:28:34.360
Let's go ahead and look through some of the documents here.
02:28:40.640
Supervisory Andrew M. Smith, United States government.
02:28:46.960
6.568, Supervisor Chuck Harding, Atlanta office, telephonically advised.
02:28:50.380
He had just received a call from the Bureau instructing the Atlanta office to call 12 other
02:28:58.020
In front of the following Bureau instructions, all field officers remain alert to receive
02:29:01.260
any information concerning impossible racial violence or demonstrations resulting from
02:29:05.960
If any information is received in regard, blah, blah, blah.
02:29:08.120
So this is basically the FBI instruction to deal with the shooting after the fact.
02:29:20.320
Okay, it looks like this was like messages sent from, um, communication between FBI Atlanta
02:29:52.740
All right, Los Angeles, all type to Birmingham 6-19-1968.
02:29:56.460
Specialist for Bruce Edward Fulton interviewed Redstone Arsenal, Alabama, and state of the
02:30:01.740
Okay, at Student Union Coffee Shop at Pasadena.
02:30:05.320
And remember, guys, Sirhan is the one that allegedly shot RFK.
02:30:08.280
Um, and I will tell you guys in a second why that's not true.
02:30:11.380
Fulton stated that in a conversation, Sirhan expressed dissatisfaction with administration
02:30:14.560
and newspapers because he believed they sided with Israel.
02:30:18.200
Blank advised Sirhan very devoted to Jordan and believed Sirhan eventually wanted to return.
02:30:22.200
Fulton could not return, recall Sirhan mentioning his political views.
02:30:24.960
Okay, so this is why, because someone had spoken to this Sirhan guy prior.
02:30:37.300
All right, but as you guys can see, um, they declassified a bunch of documents here.
02:30:51.840
I wonder how many, um, so a table below displays the file names and links to all the documents
02:31:01.060
For records released on April 18, 2025, researchers may encounter a combination of black and white
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Black and white scans were used in order to more efficiently facilitate the prioritize
02:31:11.500
However, some pages were not legible in black and white when National Archives encountered
02:31:15.720
They were replaced with legible colors, color scans.
02:31:46.340
As you guys know, they declassified the JFK stuff, um, a while ago.
02:32:01.220
A lot of people are not talking about this shit, man.
02:32:03.000
Which is interesting to me, because we know what happened with RFK.
02:32:10.320
I might go ahead and give you guys an, uh, let's go ahead and get the official narrative
02:32:29.000
The country will be able to see, uh, the documents that have been sitting here at the National
02:32:33.380
Archives and Records Agency around the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy.
02:32:38.680
Thanks to President Trump's leadership and his executive order
02:32:41.320
mandating maximum transparency, we have had well over a hundred people,
02:32:46.080
some of whom you can see here, who have been working around the clock,
02:32:49.260
going page by page, all to lead us to this day,
02:32:52.080
where the 10,000 pages that have been sitting here are now going to be available.
02:33:04.020
So, so important, and this transparency is something that
02:33:06.740
many Americans have been interested in, and so many Americans have been invested in the
02:33:17.720
Here, uh, just the other day, we discovered and found another 50,000 pages
02:33:22.740
specifically related to the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy.
02:33:26.580
And so, the work you're seeing happening here today is going to continue on
02:33:30.920
as we have other teams going out and doing those searches and hunting for additional records
02:33:35.960
that, once again, have not been found or released to the public ever before.
02:33:40.460
Well, we would love to look at some of these documents with you if you have.
02:33:42.800
Oh, chat, also, just so you guys know, no fresher fit tonight.
02:33:45.960
We're going to go a little bit longer on a debrief, okay, guys?
02:33:54.100
I'm going to go probably until, like, 10-ish or something like that
02:33:56.520
because I do want to get into the gym and train.
02:34:12.380
This here is a file of the Department of Justice case file on Sirhan Sirhan,
02:34:19.020
and it includes photographs and map of the Ambassador Hotel
02:34:22.780
as they were conducting the investigation into the assassination.
02:34:27.360
Over here we have records from the FBI to Boston Field Office.
02:34:32.600
The FBI gave the investigation the codename of Ken Salt,
02:34:36.660
and so part of this release includes some of those Ken Salt investigative records,
02:34:43.540
So this is, I mean, this has really shined a light
02:34:46.980
on the need for more of these types of releases to occur.
02:34:51.780
People will find in the release today there's no quote-unquote smoking gun,
02:34:56.300
but there's a lot of interesting things that have not been previously known that, uh...
02:35:03.540
and I'll talk about that here in a second for you guys.
02:35:05.300
Um, really call into question what really happened.
02:35:10.120
If you look on this memo alone, uh, you see Kuwait, London, Tel Aviv, Beirut, Jeddah, Tunis,
02:35:19.020
uh, Benghazi, Baida, all of these American embassies,
02:35:26.100
Um, people are going to have to go to the website and read for themselves,
02:35:30.080
uh, to, to kind of get an insight onto what the conversations are like
02:35:36.620
before and after, uh, Senator Kennedy's assassination.
02:35:41.180
What was your takeaway when you saw some of these top lines?
02:35:47.740
What was the angle of the shots that were fired?
02:35:50.340
There was a woman, uh, who ran away, uh, from the scene
02:35:55.660
where Senator Kennedy, um, was shot, uh, screaming,
02:36:01.820
There's so much more, ultimately, that I think needs to be declassified
02:36:07.420
and digitized so that anybody can access this and know what the government knows.
02:36:18.760
And you mentioned that you spoke with RFK Jr. about the release of these files.
02:36:22.540
Is he aware of the developments with these and has interest in looking into these questions as well?
02:36:26.900
You know, he's, he's obviously spent a lot of his life looking into what happened to his father.
02:36:34.300
And I'll tell you this, he knows that Sirhan did not kill his father.
02:36:39.480
There's, there's a lot of what's here that, um, uh, that he's already known or suspected.
02:36:45.280
But, you know, when I asked him initially, I said, you know,
02:36:48.400
do you want to review everything before it goes out?
02:36:50.960
Or, uh, do you have any concerns about the release?
02:36:53.700
And, and his words were, you have to get it all out there.
02:36:59.740
These are completely unredacted with the exception of what the law requires,
02:37:04.940
which is, you know, social security numbers and other personal identifiable information.
02:37:10.100
Um, but, but I'm, I'm excited for us to be able to, to push this out
02:37:14.140
and bring it out for the American people to see.
02:37:16.820
Now, I know some of you guys are like, yo, Myron, why are you so interested in JFK and RFK?
02:37:22.380
I'm interested in it because they've purposely withheld this information from you guys
02:37:34.180
When we talked about JFK and the Zionist lobby being involved in getting him killed,
02:37:40.040
everyone wrote us off as crazy conspiracy theorists, kooks, et cetera, right?
02:37:47.160
But, when the JFK files came out, what happened?
02:37:55.380
We found out that a lot of the stuff that was redacted and held back.
02:38:00.580
It was held back because the Israeli intelligence agencies didn't want it there.
02:38:06.440
Because it said, literally said there, CIA is okay with declassifying this stuff,
02:38:15.800
Intelligence agencies from Israel, a.k.a. Mossad.
02:38:20.720
So, this is our specially protected holdings vault, where we store those records here at
02:38:27.460
the National Archives that are most susceptible to theft or vandalism and that need to be protected
02:38:35.820
Most of what we're showing you relates to the assassination of President Kennedy.
02:38:40.860
This is Lee Harvey Oswald's passport that he carried when he defected to the Soviet Union.
02:38:49.200
Holy shit, yeah, you already know that's going to be worth a lot of money.
02:39:04.980
That is the, that is the camera that Abraham Zapruder, which by the way, if you're wondering,
02:39:16.340
That is what the JFK assassination was recorded on.
02:39:29.180
But you guys are glad you don't have to, uh, use these kind of things.
02:39:33.240
So we have here, uh, if you'd like to see it, we do have the shirt that Oswald had on.
02:39:49.380
These significant moments in history, the assassination of, of President John F. Kennedy, of Senator
02:39:58.840
Um, you know, a lot of this has been shrouded in mystery for, uh, most of our lifetimes.
02:40:06.680
And so this transparency of being able to take these documents, scan them in and make
02:40:11.320
it so that people can read them with a click of a button, um, is, is important.
02:40:16.480
It's important to the country and it's important, uh, in our continued search for, uh, the truth
02:40:22.140
and, and building trust, uh, in our government.
02:40:25.820
So, um, I have here, guys, the interview with RFK where he talks about the assassination
02:40:35.720
Um, and I want you guys to kind of hear it from RFK himself here with Bill Maher.
02:40:44.740
This is what I want to ask you about because I've heard you talk about this recently and
02:40:50.380
we don't, on May 26th, 1968, your father, uh, made a statement that we must defend Israel
02:41:04.100
Our obligations to Israel, unlike our obligation towards other countries, are clear and imperative.
02:41:08.920
The U.S. should, without delay, sell Israel 50 Phantom jets.
02:41:14.560
A day later, Kennedy's strong plea for the defense of Israel appeared in the Pasadena Independent.
02:41:20.800
The article enraged a Palestinian named Sirhan Sirhan.
02:41:24.280
He wrote in his diary, Robert F. Kennedy must be assassinated before June 5th, which was
02:41:32.280
Also keep in mind that as they were saying this, they were literally having, uh, a fight
02:41:38.860
This is what they were, this is what was going on optically in front of the American people,
02:41:42.900
but behind the scenes, Kennedy was having a war with Ben-Gurion on their nuclear program.
02:41:51.920
The Pasadena Independent was in his pocket when he committed the act.
02:41:57.060
He was killed because of his support for Israel, says Kathleen Kennedy Townsend.
02:42:13.980
Uh, Sirhan was involved in the murder of my father, but he did not fire the shots that
02:42:26.220
And, real quick, here's the official narrative, okay?
02:42:31.940
My father approached the steam table, Sirhan...
02:42:34.620
Let's go ahead and go into this, um, Sirhan, right?
02:42:40.280
He's still alive to this day, by the way, chat.
02:42:43.580
Uh, Palestinian man who assassinated Senator Robert F. Kennedy, a younger brother of American
02:42:47.580
President John F. Kennedy, and a candidate for the Democratic nomination in 1968 United
02:42:51.220
States presidential election on June 5th, 1968.
02:42:53.680
Kennedy died the next day at the Good Samaritan Hospital of Los Angeles.
02:42:57.940
Okay, so, the official narrative chat is basically that Robert F. Kennedy was walking through
02:43:06.740
the back way in the Ambassador Hotel, was walking through the kitchen, and this guy, Sirhan, Sirhan
02:43:11.900
appeared out of nowhere and shot and killed him, okay?
02:43:17.080
The shots that killed RFK came from behind, okay?
02:43:21.680
So, as RFK, as RFK is walking through this, this, uh, pantry slash kitchen area, okay?
02:43:33.460
He's walking with a couple of, uh, reporters, people that he knows, um, and he has a security
02:43:43.380
And when he's walking through, Sirhan Sirhan appears in front, and he has a gun.
02:43:55.260
He gets off, like, one or two before people grab Sirhan and throw him on the fucking table
02:44:03.460
And this is shown by bullet marks in the ceiling and shit like that while the gun was wildly
02:44:10.420
The problem is that the shots that killed JFK, or sorry, RFK, one hit him behind the,
02:44:15.400
uh, ear right here, what Chris Tucker would call the Abla Du Mangata, whatever the fuck
02:44:20.600
And then another one hit him in the back, right?
02:44:27.560
But we know for a fact that Sirhan was in front of RFK when this happened because there
02:44:34.280
Also, people heard far more shots than what was in Sirhan's gun.
02:44:43.240
Um, but people heard something like 10 to 20 shots being fired, okay?
02:44:48.320
Now, this puts the magnifying glass on this guy right here, who's a dude named, and I'll
02:45:07.680
He was the security guard at the time, um, and he was the one that was behind RFK when
02:45:15.420
And many witnesses put him there, and they saw him draw his weapon when everything happened.
02:45:21.360
People didn't realize that when he drew his weapon, they thought he was engaging with
02:45:24.760
Sirhan, but in reality, he was shooting the fucking, uh, center.
02:45:32.160
So, shortly after midnight, June 5th, Caesar was, uh, was in a small, uh, serving area
02:45:38.320
He grabbed Kenny's right elbow and shot him three times at point blank from above with a
02:45:44.260
Kenny pulled off, uh, Caesar's tie while falling after being shot.
02:46:02.160
Give me one second and just, all right, here we go.
02:46:34.380
Now, um, and I can tell you guys this is someone that actually worked in security.
02:46:38.060
Anytime you work security, chat, um, basically you can't have a real tie.
02:46:42.620
And the reason why you can't have a real tie is because they can choke you with it.
02:46:46.040
Many security companies don't allow their employees to actually have, um, to have a real tie for
02:46:53.900
And I think that was RFK's last attempt to identify who shot him.
02:46:59.660
Um, and then also, here's another picture of the shooter, Caesar.
02:47:11.920
This little, um, area in the kitchen slash pantry of the Ambassador Hotel.
02:47:44.240
This was, um, writings that, um, Sirhan Sirhan had in, like, a journal beforehand, which they
02:47:59.280
So, basically, guys, the physical evidence didn't line up.
02:48:09.740
And on top of that, your boy, Thane Eugene Caesar, he basically had just got that job a
02:48:28.940
And here, just so you guys know, by the way, Sirhan Sirhan did not remember what happened.
02:48:32.560
He can't recall anything that happened on the day of the assassination.
02:48:34.780
Um, when he's asked about it, he was basically, like, on drugs.
02:48:46.840
Didn't he want to, but according to this, is that wrong that he read this story?
02:48:53.240
And on top of that, he had, like, a pamphlet in his back pocket, Sirhan Sirhan did, about
02:49:10.020
I mean, it's the idea that the article was in his pocket when he committed the act.
02:49:19.740
You know, and I don't speculate as to what happened.
02:49:22.780
All I say is that Sirhan himself could not have killed my father.
02:49:27.960
And that's what Thomas Noguchi, who is the coroner.
02:49:30.680
I, you know, and by the way, my entire life, I believe that my uncle was killed by, not
02:49:37.860
by, you know, by a conspiracy, by a group of people.
02:49:41.040
And I, and I had doubts about that from when I was little, because when I was, the day that
02:49:46.940
we, my uncle was, we were waking my uncle in the East Room of the White House.
02:49:53.140
And I was standing in the foyer of the White House with my Aunt Jackie and with, um, my dad
02:49:58.120
and my mother, and John, Lyndon Johnson came in and told us that Jack Ruby had killed Lee
02:50:06.960
Lee, for the people who are young people, Lee Harvey Oswald was the, the person who was
02:50:12.200
charged with killing, like, arrested for killing my uncle.
02:50:14.880
And a day later, he was killed in the jailhouse by a, a guy, you know, who came in.
02:50:38.940
Not the worst nightclub owner I ever worked for, but an asshole nonetheless.
02:50:44.460
Anyway, and, and I had said to my, you know, my, my dad and my mother at that time, why did
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Because even as a little kid, it didn't make any sense to me.
02:50:55.260
Why would you go do that in public when you, you know, you, when you're putting your own
02:51:03.640
And then, you know, when I was older, I researched it.
02:51:06.380
Somebody gave me a book called The Unspeakable and I read it and the whole story that made
02:51:11.620
sense, but I still believe that my father had been killed by Sir Ann, Sir Ann, Sir Ann
02:51:19.960
Um, he pled guilty and, uh, you know, he's, his story is that he has no memory of it.
02:51:28.060
And, and he still has no memory of it because he was on drugs and they did that on purpose.
02:51:38.060
Um, like Jack Ruby barely remembered it either.
02:51:43.040
So, um, but Paul, the man who was, there was a man standing, one of my father's best friends
02:51:49.340
was standing beside him when my father was shot.
02:51:55.220
He was the deputy director of the United Auto Workers.
02:52:00.760
Um, and also the other thing I want you guys to know is, um, uh, you know, I'll, I'll save
02:52:07.160
And then introduce my father to Cesar Chavez, which was one of the most important relationships
02:52:17.660
And the first shot that Cesar Ann fired hit Paul in the head.
02:52:23.720
Paul survived and he just died, uh, less than a year ago.
02:52:28.100
And he spent the last 20 years of his life trying to get Cesar Ann out of jail because
02:52:34.600
he did not believe that Cesar Ann killed my father.
02:52:36.700
And I just sort of dismissed what over years I'd hear that he was, that Al Lowenstein, who
02:52:42.280
you may remember, was trying to get my father, Cesar Ann out, because Al Lowenstein was a
02:52:47.660
congressman, a great friend of my father's, started the Dump Johnson movement.
02:52:57.820
Um, but he fought for many years to get Cesar Ann out because, and get the, the, the case
02:53:04.700
reopened because he did not believe that my father was killed by Cesar Ann.
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And then Paul Schrade made me come over to his house one day and read the autopsy report.
02:53:26.060
And because he was such a close friend of my father's and because he himself had been shot,
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you know, um, I felt like I couldn't say no to him.
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And when I sat down and read the autopsy report, it became clear to me as it would to anybody who
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And the reason why the autopsy was so good, Chad, I know some of you guys are like,
02:53:47.900
So as you guys know, with John F. Kennedy, when he was shot and killed, they quickly took
02:53:53.500
the body, left Texas and brought him up to, to, I think Virginia or Maryland to have military
02:54:00.540
Obviously that fucks with the chain of custody and the integrity of the autopsy.
02:54:06.060
So when they did the autopsy on RFK, it was one of the best done autopsies.
02:54:10.620
Because of the whole JFK situation and how no one believed the official narrative that came
02:54:15.420
So when they got RFK senior, his father, they went really hard on making sure that it was
02:54:24.780
And in that autopsy, it showed that the kill shots came from behind,
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not in front, which is where Sirhan Sirhan was.
02:54:32.540
So the physical evidence simply did not line up.
02:54:38.140
Sirhan could not have killed my father, which is what Thomas Noguchi, the coroner,
02:54:43.020
the most important coroner probably in American history concluded also and said in his autobiography.
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The short story, Sirhan fired two shots at my father.
02:54:58.140
There was, as I said, many, many, there was absolute mayhem in the kitchen of the Ambassador
02:55:09.260
He said from the stage and now it's on to Chicago, which is where the convention was.
02:55:13.340
Then he walks off the stage and he went into a route that was not expected.
02:55:17.260
He was led into a route through the kitchen, which he was not supposed to go to.
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And waiting in the kitchen in an ambush was Sirhan Sirhan standing in front of a steam table.
02:55:30.380
And as my father approached the steam table, Sirhan fired at him two shots.
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The other one went past my father's ear and hit a door jam behind my father, a wooden door jam,
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Sirhan was then grabbed by six men in a dog pile and he was backed onto the steam table.
02:55:57.180
And his hand, Rayford Johnson, who was a great friend of mine, one of my father's close friends,
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he was the decathlon gold medal winner in 1960.
02:56:07.740
He was one of the people who grabbed it and he was the one who actually grabbed his hand.
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And he said that Sirhan, who's a tiny little man, I, you know, I've been to meet him and visit him in prison.
02:56:25.820
But Rayford said he had superhuman strength and he could not get that gun out of his hand.
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And Sirhan now was pointing the gun away from my father.
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He fired six in the other direction, the opposite direction from where my father was.
02:57:18.140
He was a man called Eugene Dan Cesar, who was a.
02:57:24.460
This motherfucker right here is the one that killed his dad.
02:57:35.740
He was a vocal, vocal racist who hated the Kennedys.
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And he had been the one who led my father through the kitchen toward the ambush.
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One of the shots passed through the shoulder pad of his.
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The famous picture of the clip on tie showed you guys earlier.
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Here he is at the Ambassador Hotel, which I think the hotel has been destroyed now.
02:59:16.060
Total shot and all of the shots had an uphill trajectory.
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So and all of them, and this is what the autopsy found, were contact shots.
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So the barrel of the gun was touching my father's body or his clothing.
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Which the stifling, which I was explaining to you guys before, similar with the Mellie case,
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when you're shot at close range, it leaves a burn mark.
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Thomas Noguchi, who knew what had happened to President Kennedy's autopsy,
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which was, you know, loaded with scandal, did not want the same thing to happen in
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When John F. Kennedy was killed in 1963, no one trusted the Warren Commission
03:00:17.500
So when RFK was killed, they said, nope, not again.
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We're going to keep the body here and we're going to do the most thorough autopsy ever.
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And that is how they know that Sirhan was not the fucking shooter.
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The Secret Service kidnapped the body and took it over up to Maryland or Virginia to have the autopsy.
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In the top corners from all of the armed services, the Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, to observe what he was doing.
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And his autopsy is called the perfect autopsy in the medical literature.
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And, you know, he concluded that the shots had come from behind.
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And there were 77 eyewitnesses who saw that Sirhan was never behind my father.
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He was always in front of him, always about five feet away.
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And as my father fell, he must have known he was being shot from behind because he turned around and grabbed off Cesar's clip on tie.
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And you can see pictures of him lying on the floor.
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That's the picture I showed you guys from before, obviously.
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We got over 4,000 of you guys watching the stream right now, man.
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It is strictly, we are strictly doing the debrief and then we're going to have after hours.
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Actually lying on top of Cesar with the clip on tie in his hand.
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And there's pictures of Cesar without his tie on.
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He was knocked out when my father fell onto him.
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The police did not confiscate the gun that night.
03:02:22.040
And he said he drew the gun to shoot at Sirhan.
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And, you know, and then that's the beginning of the story.
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And then Cesar made a series of changing, deceptive lying statements after that in the different times he was.
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And one of the biggest lies that he told guys was that he sold the gun.
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He claimed, so the police asked him about his gun, right, that was used to kill in the murder.
03:02:57.360
And he said, oh, I sold that gun three months prior in March.
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But then the cops went and followed up with the person that had the gun.
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And they found out that Cesar had actually sold the gun three months after the murder.
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OK, thankfully, the person that bought the gun had a bill of sale to show when he purchased the gun, which was back in which was in September of 1968.
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That's not, no, I had a 22 caliber, but I sold it.
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When the cops followed up and interviewed the person that actually had the gun, he had a bill of sale showing that Cesar sold the gun three months after the murder.
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I, you know, I can speculate about it, but I can tell you that I cannot see any way that anybody can read that autopsy report and believe that Sir Ann killed my father.
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And that's, you know, my point is that it ought to be investigated.
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So an attorney whose name was Grant, I forget what his last name, he appeared, nobody knows how, and became Sir Ann's attorney.
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He was the attorney for Johnny Roselli, the mobster who was implicated in John Kennedy's assassination in Dallas five years earlier and was later chopped up and put in a barrel when the assassination committee summonsed him to testify, when the church committee summons him in Biscayne Bay, Miami.
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He disappeared the day he was supposed to testify in front of the church committee on the assassinations.
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And, and the, and he was involved at that time in the Friars Club scandal.
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So the Friars, you know what the Friars Club scandal is?
03:05:25.100
So that, uh, statue, that, uh, was, um, uh, run by Roselli was one of the people who was running it and the other, the Mickey Cohen, the, the, the L.A. mobster.
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And they had, they were doing card games there.
03:05:45.660
It was a place where the famous people, you know.
03:05:52.240
And they had installed cameras in the ceiling so they could read everybody's hands.
03:06:02.080
And the, and that trial was going on when my father was killed.
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And the attorney for Roselli at that time was the, the guy who weirdly showed up, nobody can explain why, and became Sir Ant's attorney.
03:06:15.180
And he was under federal investigation because somehow Roselli had been able to obtain the grand jury testimony, which is utterly, that's a jailhouse sentence.
03:06:30.540
You cannot, you, that is like stealing the U.S. mail.
03:06:34.720
Now, if you steal grand jury testimony, it's such a serious crime.
03:06:44.620
So, he was, himself was under federal investigation and was about to get disbarred.
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So, in other words, the lawyer that was representing Sirhan Sirhan had no incentive to actually represent him properly.
03:06:58.540
He wanted him to go to jail, and he was a corrupt lawyer.
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Sirhan, he was involved in concealing evidence.
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He was the one who told Sirhan to plead guilty.
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The gun, the, the bullets that killed my father were different than the bullets, came from a different gun than the bullets that killed other people.
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So, that means automatically there's two different guns.
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So, anyway, there's, you know, there's a lot of questions that should be answered.
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And if you look at the evidence, it doesn't make any sense.
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But, it just must be so frustrating that this seems like so clear cut.
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I really think you in the mix is a great thing.
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Because, certainly, somebody's got to keep him honest.
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And the one thing I can count on you, like, will we ever agree eye-to-eye on everything?
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But, you know, somebody has to keep them honest.
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And the one thing I think I can count on you is, you're not a guy who's going to shake the etcher sketch.
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Maybe, you know, when, if you get close, it's going to be very.
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Bill Maher just gives me such fucking scumbag vibes, man.
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You know what he, like, you just see someone like, man, you're a slimy motherfucker.
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That's, that's the, that's what, that's the feeling I get whenever I see this guy, bro.
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I mean, he is one of them boys, but goddamn, bro.
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It's like, you know, to, you know, go more to the center and, and disavow.
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He's talking about his father being murdered, being murdered, and Bill, uh, keeps cracking jokes.
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Bill's lack of situeriness and empathy is borderline sociopathic.
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Like, yeah, people are just cooking this nigga for being a retard.
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It's possible to imagine the research a son does to find the truth about his father, Sasha, and I believe this man.
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Even RFK himself agrees with me that, um, number one, Serhan didn't kill his, his father.
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Number two, this guy, Thane Caesar, killed his father.
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Now, you guys are probably wondering, Myron, why do they want RFK killed?
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There were two to three main reasons why they wanted RFK gone, okay?
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So, the first reason they wanted him gone, guys, was because he never accepted the results of the Warren Commission.
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Despite the fact that RFK did publicly accept the Warren Commission that was headed up by Lyndon B. Johnson and obviously, uh, the, uh, Supreme Court Justice Warren, he publicly accepted the results of the Warren Commission, but the reality is that he never trusted it.
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He always knew that there was a conspiracy against his brother.
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He always knew that they wanted his brother gone.
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And, quite frankly, he didn't trust a lot of the people in the administration.
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Um, this is why, uh, JFK did a lot of his consulting and a lot of his, um, you know, talking on sensitive matters with his brother, RFK.
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He didn't trust a lot of the people in his cabinet, right?
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I mean, they were trying to do false flags, Operation Norwoods, if I'm not mistaken, where they were trying to do a bunch of radical stuff, killing American citizens and blaming it on Cuba to get into war.
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Like, these are the type of people that, um, JFK was dealing with, right?
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When JFK took office in 19, in the 19, early 1960s, the CIA was a rogue agency, man.
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This is why he fired Alan Dulles, the first director of the CIA.
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Because what the CIA basically was, guys, was a good old boys club of successful, uh, financially powerful individuals that utilized the intelligence agency, the CIA, to kind of benefit the U.S. government, but also, um, topple other governments and or other business industries to ensure that the United States had certain, um, economic and, um, leverage positions, um, in the world economy and geopolitically.
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Right? We could talk about, like, United Fruit, for example, being a front, uh, to destabilize the banana market in South America, as an example.
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But that was a, that was a front company for the CIA.
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So when Kennedy came in and he sees the rogue operations that the CIA is doing, he's like, what the fuck is going on here?
03:11:57.740
Right? And then the Bay of Pigs kind of was like the, uh, one of the big scandals, one of the big problems where, essentially, we backed a bunch of rebels to try to invade Cuba.
03:12:06.360
Cuba and overthrow Castro, it failed because they didn't have the weapons and the support that they wanted.
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Kennedy didn't want to send in air support, and they didn't have the guns that they were supposed to have.
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You want to know why? Because those guns were in Israel.
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Those guns were in Israel, uh, when they should have been in Cuba.
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So a lot of people got pissed off with the, uh, Bay of Pigs scandal.
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Now, with that said, Kennedy had a lot of enemies.
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So one of the few people he trusted was his brother, RFK.
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Okay. To include the fact that his brother, RFK, was attorney general.
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Attorney generals almost never have a say in foreign policy.
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But RFK was right there by his brother's side helping him navigate the Cuban Missile Crisis that led after the Bay of Pigs.
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So, um, one that I'm happening was, um, he never trusted the findings of the Warren Commission,
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though he publicly accepted it because he knew that his brother didn't trust anybody,
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didn't trust a lot of these people in the administration.
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And he never liked Lyndon B. Johnson either. Okay?
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On top of that, I guess that's reason number one, but let's go into reason 1A, I guess.
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He was doing his own independent investigation, trying to find out who killed his brother.
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People kind of knew that if he became president, he was going to reopen the case into his father,
03:13:24.020
into his brother's death, and that would have exposed all the skeletons in the closet.
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They couldn't have him becoming president, snooping around, and having that level of power.
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And then the third thing is, he obviously, uh, assisted his brother in curbing Israel's power.
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As you guys know, JFK had a bunch of, uh, problems with, uh, Ben-Gurion,
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where he was trying to get him to, uh, you know, stop their nuclear proliferation that they were doing
03:13:53.180
because he had information from the CIA people that weren't as corrupt
03:13:56.420
that they were doing nuclear testing in Dimona, and they were trying to get a nuclear bomb,
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and they were stealing uranium from the United States.
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So, in order to assist his brother with the hardest stance on Israel and getting them in line,
03:14:08.560
he wanted to, the American Zionist Council to, or the American Zionist Association,
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whatever it is, you guys get the point, which later became AIPAC.
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And they didn't want that because if they had to register under Farrah,
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they would have to disclose where all that money came from that they were, um, using
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Your Mickey Cohen's, your Bugsley's Eagle's, et cetera.
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So, um, and then also on top of that, RFK, when he was attorney general, what was he doing?
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So, long story short, guys, is the Kennedys really got in the way of the deep state bureaucracy
03:14:51.180
So, RFK's assassination was basically closing off loose ends.
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I got a clip here from a documentary that I'll play for you guys.
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And this is, uh, Israel and Assassination of the Kennedy Brothers, a documentary by Lauren
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The American soil, and his act was installed into the war on terror mythology and propaganda.
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In a book entitled The Forgotten Terrorist, Mayl Aten, who specializes in debunking conspiracy
03:15:27.120
theories, claims to present, quote, a wealth of evidence about Sirhan's fanatical Palestinian
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nationalism and to demonstrate that Sirhan was the lone assassin whose politically motivated
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act was a forerunner of present-day terrorism, end of quote.
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In 2008, on the occasion of the 40th anniversary of Bobby's murder, the Jewish Daily Forward
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wrote, Robert Kennedy was the first American victim of modern Arab terrorism.
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See how they're trying to throw the, um, they're trying to throw the, um, this whole, uh, Arab
03:16:13.200
A parallel between Kennedy's assassination and the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.
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In both tragic cases, Arab fanaticism reared its ugly head on American soil, irrevocably
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changing the course of events in this country, end of quote.
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Writing for the Boston Globe, Sacha Hissenberg recalled that the death of Robert Kennedy was,
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quote, a first taste of the political violence in the Middle East.
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He quotes Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz as saying it was perceived as an act of violence
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motivated by hatred of Israel and of anybody who supported Israel.
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It was, in some ways, the beginning of Islamic terrorism in America.
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The fact that Siran was from a Christian family was lost on Dershowitz.
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The Jewish forward took care to mention it, only to add that Islamic fanaticism ran in
03:17:09.820
Yeah, that's, that's something that they try to, like, just gloss over that he was a Christian
03:17:13.620
Palestinian, like, but they want to go ahead and tie it to, you know, Islamic terrorism
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What he shared with his Muslim cousins, the perpetrators of September 11, was a visceral,
03:17:27.600
There is something suspicious in this insistence on making the assassination of Robert Kennedy
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But let us, for the moment, take these declarations seriously, and let us try to understand what
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kind of anti-Zionist Palestinian terrorist was Siran Siran.
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While studying his case more closely, perhaps we can learn something about the very nature
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of the Arab terrorism that has now become a familiar leitmotif of the mainstream narrative
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The first question is, did Siran really kill Robert Kennedy?
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Ballistic and forensic evidence show that, in fact, none of Siran's bullets hit Kennedy.
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According to the autopsy report of chief medical examiner Dr. Thomas Noguchi, who confirms it
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in his memoirs, Robert Kennedy was hit by three bullets, while a fourth went through his coat.
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All these bullets were shot from behind Kennedy, two of them under his right armpit following
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an upward angle, and the third, the fatal bullet, behind his right ear at point-blank range.
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One gunshot wound was found behind the right ear, and there were abundance of powder deposit
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And after testifying the similar weapon, we came to conclusion that the muzzle distance
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would be one inch from the right ear edge, and no more than three inches.
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Yet, the sworn testimonies of twelve witnesses established that Robert had never turned his
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back on Siran, and that Siran was five to six feet away from his target when he fired.
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Moreover, Siran was physically overpowered by Carl Hooker after his second shot, and, although
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he continued pressing the trigger mechanically, his revolver was then not directed towards Kennedy.
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By tallying all the bullet impacts in the pantry, and those that wounded five people around
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Kennedy, it can be established that at least twelve bullets were fired, while Siran's
03:19:59.980
Finally, a computer analysis of audio recordings during the shooting, made by engineer Philippe
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Van Praag in 2008, confirms that two guns are heard.
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Thirteen shot sounds over a little bit over a five-second interval of time, and there are
03:20:17.580
two shots, and then a pause of about one and a third seconds, and then a flurry of succeeding
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The primary point that people need to recall is that the capacity of Siran's gun was eight
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He did not have time to reload, and so anything more than eight shots proves there had to
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be a second gun firing within that kitchen pantry, period.
03:20:43.780
We have strong evidence, based upon this audio tape, of thirteen shots, two double shots, the
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make and the model of the gun, and the directionality of those shots into the back of Robert Kennedy.
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All this evidence has been gathered by attorney William Pepper in a 58-page file submitted
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in 2011 to the Court of California with a request that Siran's case be reopened.
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Bob was hit with four bullets were fired at him from the rear, from the rear now.
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Two went through, one through the shoulder pad and one through the chest cavity that lodged
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in a ceiling tile that was actually behind Siran, where Siran was standing.
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So the shots from the senator were from behind, and the tracing of the bullets was slightly upward.
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So that's where the assassin was firing, and that's where he was standing, behind the senator.
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And we have a view as to who that person was, but a good deal more probing and evidentiary
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If Siran did not kill Robert Kennedy, then who did?
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The presence of a second shooter was indicated by several witnesses, and reported on the same
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There are strong suspicions that the second shooter was Thane Eugene Caesar, a security guard
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hired for the evening by the hotel ambassador owned by Meyer Schein.
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Now, I know you guys are probably wondering, um, what happened to Cesar.
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He died, guys, I think in 2019, if I'm not mistaken.
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Um, RFK was supposed to go meet him in the Philippines, um, but Thane Caesar was playing
03:22:39.040
games, oh, you gotta pay me $10,000, all this other bullshit.
03:22:41.800
So, Kenny never got to meet him before, RFK Jr. never got to meet him before he died.
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Cesar was stuck behind Kennedy at the time of shooting.
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The witnesses saw him draw his pistol, and one of them, Don Schulman, positively saw
03:22:58.180
As we were slowly pushed forward, another man stepped out, and he shot.
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Just then the guard who was standing behind Kennedy took out his gun, and he fired also.
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Now, nobody questioned it, because they thought that the guard that was behind Kennedy, number
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one, was a cop, and they also thought that he was trying to defend Kennedy when he was
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But little did they know that he was actually shooting RFK.
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Now, how far was Sirhan from Senator Kennedy at the time?
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I would say approximately from three to six feet.
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He was standing directly to the side and back of Kennedy.
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The contract killer could not find a more efficient and concealed position to do his deed.
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First, a clear opening to shoot at the heart, with little chance to be seen by witnesses
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situated either in front of or behind the victim.
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Then, another opportunity for a concealed coup de grâce in the back of the head as the victim
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Incredibly, Caesar's weapon was never examined.
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And he was never interrogated, even though he did not conceal his hatred for the Kennedys.
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He told police he had sold his .22 three months before the assassination.
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The receipt proves that it was sold after the assassination.
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The person who made out this receipt confirmed Caesar told him at the time of the sale,
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Yeah, police shooting, that's fucking hilarious.
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But the real reason he told him that was so that he wouldn't have talked to anybody.
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The obvious first suspect, the police brushed him off and never investigated him further.
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Even if we assume that C-Ran was the assassin of Robert Kennedy, another aspect of the case
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According to several witnesses, C-Ran seemed to be in a state of trance during the shooting
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More importantly, C-Ran has always claimed that he has never had any recollection of his act,
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even though, on the suggestion of his attorney, he admitted to have done it.
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But the death penalty was abolished in California soon after,
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and his sentence was turned into life imprisonment.
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Fifty years after the fact, C-Ran continues to claim...
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I only have never been able to remember what happened in that place at that time,
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but I have not been able to remember many things and incidents which took place in the weeks leading up to the shooting.
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What do you remember about the shooting, if you're willing to talk about that?
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Obviously, I was there, but I don't remember the exact moment.
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I don't remember pulling my gun out of my body or whatever it was located,
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and I don't remember aiming at any human being.
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Since 1968, several psychiatric analyses, including lie detector tests,
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have confirmed that C-Ran's amnesia is not faked.
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Therefore, experts in hypnosis and mental manipulation believe that C-Ran has been submitted to hypnotic programming.
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It was obvious that he had been programmed to kill Robert Kennedy and programmed to forget that he'd been programmed.
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This hypothesis is consistent with some repetitive lines written in a notebook found in C-Ran's room,
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In 2008, Harvard University professor Daniel Brown, a noted expert in hypnosis and trauma memory loss,
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and concluded that C-Ran, who belongs to the category of high hypnotizables,
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acted involuntarily under the effect of hypnotic suggestion.
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His action of firing the gun was neither under his voluntary control nor done with conscious knowledge,
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but is likely a product of automatic hypnotic behavior and coercive control."
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During his sessions with Dr. Brown, C-Ran could remember having been accompanied by an attractive woman
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before suddenly finding himself in a shooting range with a weapon he did not know.
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C-Ran responded to a specific hypnotic cue given to him by that woman to enter range mode,
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during which C-Ran automatically and involuntarily responded with the flashback
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that he was shooting at a firing range at circle targets."
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Month after C-Ran recalled these details, attorney William Pepper was able to prove that,
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just days before the assassination, C-Ran had visited a firing range accompanied by an unknown instructor
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With the help of Professor Brown, C-Ran was also able to remember that his instructor had a falling moustache,
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which fits the description of famous hypnotist William Joseph Bryan Jr.,
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Bryan makes no secret of having worked for the Air Force in the brainwashing section.
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His biggest claim to fame was to have exposed by hypnosis the Boston Strangler, Albert DiSalvo,
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This is significant because in the notebook found at C-Ran's home,
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that C-Ran recognized to be in his own handwriting,
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but that he cannot remember having written, we find this,
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God help me, please help me, salvo, di, di salvo, di salvo.
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It is surmised that he heard the name while under hypnosis.
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You have to have the person locked up physically to have control over them.
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You have to use a certain amount of physical torture involved,
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and there is also the use of long-term hypnotic suggestion,
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Under these situations where you have all this going for you,
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Yes, you can brainwash a person to do just about anything.
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What I'm speaking about are the innumerable instances
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that we ran into when I was running the country's brainwashing
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We know that in the 1960s, American military agencies
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which, among other things, was trying to answer questions like
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can a person under hypnosis be forced to commit murder?
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According to a declassified document dated May 1951,
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we also know that Siran was attending meetings of occultist circles
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and this may have created opportunities to submit him to hypnotic programming.
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Israeli journalist Ronan Bergman has recently revealed that in May 1968,
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the month preceding Robert Kennedy's assassination,
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The idea was proposed by a navy psychologist named Benjamin Shalit,
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he could brainwash and hypnotize him into becoming a programmed killer.
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join the Fatah there, and, when the opportunity arose,
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Shalit selected a 28-year-old Palestinian from Bethlehem,
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The operation failed, but it proved that in 1968, precisely,
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Israel was experimenting methods of assassination
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identical to the one used against Robert Kennedy.
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In the hypothesis that Sirhan has been manipulated,
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Who had an interest in having people believe that Robert was killed
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by a fanatic Palestinian motivated by hatred of Israel?
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That would logically exclude Israel from the least of suspect.
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you got the logistics that don't make sense from the physical evidence,
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Uh, of why, um, he was killed and why this went down.
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Um, and MKUltra program is very important, too,
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And it's funny that Israel was running the same exact program
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Because they were trying to use it to kill Yasser Arafat.
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Anybody that don't know, Yasser Arafat is a, um,
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Palestinian freedom fighter that, uh, you know,
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famously signed the Oslo Accords with Yitzhak Rabin
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to try to come to some type of, um, peace agreement
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And, obviously, both of them were assassinated.
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And, uh, Yitzhak Rabin was killed by the members of the Likud party,
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or, uh, one, allegedly, one soul shooter from the Likud party.
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Um, but everyone to this day still thinks that, um,
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which the Likud party is a party that Benjamin Netanyahu
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You know, um, we got some people crying in the chat saying,
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The world doesn't revolve around you, all right?
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and it's saying that Cesar was not with RFK when he was assassinated.
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Bro, always have you playing on my laptop while I manage work,
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or else if I listen, it's a simple fact that I feel comfortable.
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It's a story in St. Louis that my old history in high school
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tried to hijack a plan of 14 people that was shot and killed in Belize.
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Let me go back here, make sure I didn't miss any of you guys.
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I heard you mention that you've covered how to become a cop.
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Just search, um, how to get into law enforcement on Fresh to Fit.
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It's about the so-called Christian girl Savannah's attack on polygamy.
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Nowhere in the Old or New Testament does it condemn polygamy.
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The Christian Bible calls marriage a picture of God's relationship with the church.
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Please don't let these girls use morality to condemn it.
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I'm not a Christian apologist, so I don't know these things.
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That's why I always put the subtitles on as much as I can.
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Cause I know some of you guys don't like the, the thing.
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Um, I know his accent is kind of strong, but the content is great, man.
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Uh, you know, on top of the other stuff that I told you guys about.
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So this is a lot of this stuff is probably going to be confirmed in the declassified documents that we talked about here that they've been like suppressing in history for obvious reasons.
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But yes, Israel had a vested interest in RFK being killed chat for sure.
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I kind of do want you guys, cause this is a good question.
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Why would the Israelis be involved in killing RFK if RFK was a friend to them?
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And then I'm going to go into the Charlie Kirk debate.
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The dilemma rests on a misleading assumption, which is part of the deception.
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Um, the other thing too, as well, I think it's very important to know that the MKUltra program and the fact that he didn't remember anything is very important.
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One knows a few good wishes and empty promises to Israel are an inescapable ritual in such circumstances.
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Yes, on the front side, you have to be pro-Israel to become a politician.
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But we know for a fact that they were not as pro-Israel as people think, but they had to do this politically on outward.
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I mean, like I said before, RFK publicly accepted the warrant commission, but we all know he never trusted it.
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It is claimed that Siran had in his pocket a newspaper clipping from the May 27 issue of Pasadena's Independent Star News, mentioning that Robert Kennedy had declared in an Oregon synagogue, quote,
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The United States should, without delay, sell Israel the 50 phantom jets she has so long been promised, end of quote.
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But the author of this article, David Lawrence, underlined how little credit should be given to Robert's electoral promises.
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His article entitled, Paradoxical Bob, began like this.
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Presidential candidates are out to get votes and some of them do not realize their own inconsistencies.
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All things considered, there is no ground for believing that Robert Kennedy would have been, as President of the United States, particularly friendly to Israel.
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The Kennedy family, proudly Irish and Catholic, was not known to be very appreciative of Jews.
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Joe Kennedy had been notoriously critical of Jewish influence during the Second World War.
03:37:58.140
While ambassador in London from 1938 to 1940, he had supported the appeasement policy of British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain toward Hitler.
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When Roosevelt was about to enter the war, he had resigned and declared that he intended, quote,
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To devote my effort to what seems to me the greatest cause in the world today, to help the President keep the U.S. out of the war, end of quote.
03:38:23.140
During John's presidential campaign, Menahem Begin's party, Erut, wondered publicly if the father, Joe Kennedy, quote,
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Did not inject some poisonous drops of anti-Semitism in the mind of his children, end of quote.
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In his Pulitzer Prize-winning book, Profiles in Courage, published in 1956, Kennedy had declared his admiration for Senator Robert Taft, who, by calling the new...
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And not only that, a lot of people don't know this.
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John F. Kennedy, yeah, JFK, was an admirer of Hitler.
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I mean, obviously, it's suppressed in mainstream culture.
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He thought what he did with Nazi Germany was incredible.
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How he was able to revitalize the economy and take Germany from a post-World War I destroyed country into an economic powerhouse in the 1930s.
03:39:18.140
So, that's another thing that a lot of people don't talk about, is that Kennedy absolutely admired Hitler.
03:39:25.140
The Bloomberg military trials of 1946, a shameful parody of justice, had sacrificed his political future.
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We will talk later about John Kennedy's tense relationship with the State of Israel.
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As for his brother, he had not been in his brother's government a particularly pro-Israel attorney general.
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He had infuriated Zionist leaders by supporting an investigation led by Senator William Fulbright of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, aimed at registering the American Zionist Council as a foreign agent, subject to the obligations defined by the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938, which would have considerably hindered its efficiency.
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After the assassination of John Kennedy, the American Zionist Council escaped this procedure.
03:40:12.140
And its lobbying division, the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, APAC, became the most powerful lobby in the United States, and an indispensable instrument for the corruption and intimidation of American elected officials, and for the control of American foreign policy.
03:40:29.140
It was Nicholas Katzenbach, whom Johnson put at the head of the Department of Justice to replace Robert Kennedy, who buried the case against the American Zionist Council.
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Katzenbach is also known as having strongly recommended to the new president, Lyndon Johnson, a commission of inquiry to establish as soon as possible that Oswald was the only assassin of Kennedy.
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In conclusion, it is only by an outrageous hypocrisy that the Jewish Daily Forward could write on June 6, 2008, quote, in remembering Bobby Kennedy, let us remember not just what he lived for, but also what he died for, namely the precious nature of the American-Israeli relationship, end of quote.
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Robert Kennedy's death had not been a bad thing for the American-Israeli relationship.
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As a U.S. president, would Robert have saved Israel from disaster in 1973, like Nixon and Kissinger, by providing her with unlimited military support against Egypt?
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It is unlikely. Rather, Robert Kennedy was a great loss for the Arab world, as had his brother John before him.
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Of course, the fact that the Zionist media lied when granting Robert Kennedy some kind of posthumous certificate of goodwill towards Israel, and thereby provided Israel with a kind of fake alibi, is not a sufficient reason for accusing Israel of having murdered Robert.
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Even the fact that the masterminds of the plot chose as their programmed instrument an anti-Zionist Palestinian, and thereby stirred a strong anti-Palestinian feeling among Americans at the same time as getting rid of Robert, does not prove that Israel was involved.
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What is lacking for a serious presumption is a plausible motive, and the motive of Robert's assassination, as we said before, must be found not in what Robert was declaring publicly during his campaign, but rather in what he confided only to his close friends, his intention to reopen the investigation on his brother's death.
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What would an unbiased investigation conducted under the supervision of Robert in the White House have revealed? This is what we must now determine.
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And that was what they were scared about, Chad. That's why they had to get rid of him, because everybody would have been implicated if he reopened the investigation into his brother's death. CIA, the Zionist lobby, organized crime.
03:42:49.140
They knew if this nigga gets in office, we're all cooked. So they had to get rid of him.
03:42:54.140
That's why they used an MKUltra Palestinian that is allegedly an Israel hater, and put the pamphlet in his back pocket to make the shots happen.
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But what ended up happening? He didn't kill him. Some security guard killed him.
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So that, my friends, is the reality when it comes to the RFK shooting.
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We know, unlike JFK, we at least know for sure who killed and shot RFK.
03:43:25.140
Sorry, guys. We are going to go ahead and get into the Charlie Kirk debate now.
03:43:43.140
And we are going to start and kick this thing off.
03:44:36.140
Let's get to 2,000 likes. I'm gonna take a quick piss and come back.
03:48:19.160
We need to hit the 2K and we're going to start cooking.
03:48:25.640
Almost 4,000 of you guys in here between the different platforms.
03:48:35.740
All right, Sharik says, been following your content a while.
03:48:37.520
Your skill of conveying your message, communicating information is underrated.
03:48:49.080
St. Francis, do you think getting a college degree is worth the debt, especially when one
03:48:52.840
is pursuing a life of entrepreneurship, business ownership?
03:48:55.760
Look, if you want to be an entrepreneur, that's fine, but you need to have a skill set, bro.
03:48:59.940
So focus on going to school and getting a skill set that will actually get you a job, and then
03:49:04.600
you can convey that skill into entrepreneurship.
03:49:07.560
But strictly, just going to college, just going to college, no, don't do that, bro.
03:49:25.360
So anyway, yeah, so guys, we are at 1626, guys.
03:49:39.980
Charlie debates veteran on Holocaust 9-11 and the Jew world order.
03:49:51.480
So we will start as soon as you guys smash that like button, and we get to 2,000 likes.
03:50:07.560
Someone said, can someone tell me what O slash means?
03:50:41.060
So this is absolutely free, so shut the fuck up.
03:50:43.140
Number two, if you guys want to go ahead and help the channel grow, we need to get the engagement up.
03:50:50.940
Bitch-ass niggas like you just sit here and watch the content and don't like the video.
03:50:53.560
So, instead of bitching and crying, like the video, nigga.
03:51:06.060
And your bitch-ass want to sit here and talk shit for free content.
03:51:08.380
This dude, Rocco, is always crying in the fucking chat, bro.
03:51:22.560
Look, dude, if you don't like the content or it's boring to you or whatever because you don't like RFK and you don't like history, then go watch something else, bro.
03:51:32.480
Get the fuck out of here if you don't like it, then, bro.
03:51:36.120
Niggas over here are mad because I'm having higher IQ conversations and we're covering history and shit like that and niggas are crying.
03:52:00.120
Go to Twitch if you want that mindless entertainment.
03:52:05.400
Nigga coming over here wanting some cheap-ass entertainment and now he's got to use his brain and he's like,
03:52:44.760
He literally choreographs cock-blocking his friends for views.
03:52:54.380
Like, when did it become cool to cock-block your friends?
03:52:57.480
Bro, when I was growing up, if you did that shit, we would never talk to you again.
03:53:42.160
Myron, what else could a responding officer do?
03:54:08.000
Simple Trespass Incident takes a horrifying turn.
03:54:20.300
Well, I can't read that Super Chat out out loud,
03:54:31.000
but I'll put it on screen so people can laugh at it.
03:54:55.920
this debate between Charlie Kirk and this veteran.
03:55:10.040
Hey, Myron, I like when you tell guys to stop drinking.
03:55:21.480
For all the guys out there that have trouble with alcohol,
03:55:27.360
or that beer or whatever the fuck you like to drink, right?
03:55:30.460
Just remember to yourself that you're a fucking loser.
03:55:42.660
that means that you are by definition a fucking loser.
03:55:50.160
sucks and you don't want to be in that reality.
03:55:53.400
To blunt the objective failure that your life is.
03:56:11.940
you're drinking to numb the pain of being a loser.
03:56:43.700
if you weren't spreading anti-Semitic propaganda.
03:57:27.980
You can't get a clearance to be a drug user, bro.