00:03:48.240When an objection is made, all parties shall pause so that the objection may be heard.
00:03:53.860Yeah, all the different channels are having crappy audio.
00:03:56.040They just started this thing like a minute, like 10 minutes ago.
00:03:58.060He's just going over like, you know, formalities and stuff like that.
00:04:00.780Speaking objections are not permitted.
00:04:03.100If any party believes that an extended argument is necessary, particularly on sensitive matters, that party may request to approach the bench, and all parties will approach the bench.
00:04:16.960Both sides will be afforded an opportunity to be heard for or against the objection, after which I will issue a ruling either sustaining or overruling the objection.
00:04:27.580Once the ruling has been made, direct or cross-examination may resume.
00:04:33.100I anticipate that we will begin each morning at 9 a.m. with the exception of Wednesday.
00:05:28.840All right. The fence has invoked the exclusionary rule. I ask that all witnesses, if present, be excused from the courtroom and ask that each party monitor the courtroom to ensure your witnesses aren't present, as I'm not familiar with who they are.
00:05:44.440Of course, victim representative is excluded from that rule, as is the case manager pursuant to the.
00:05:52.320So I saw Brandon Tatum there. I'm assuming Megan Kelly is here. A lot of people are there, guys, out there in Utah covering this.
00:05:58.840Okay, and I anticipate that from here on out that they're just going to come to the lectrum, so.
00:06:16.060Okay, so just for the benefit of the record, to the questions, yes or no questions,
00:06:24.100well, the parties have entered their appearances
00:10:52.460Judge, I don't see any TVs or monitors here in the courtroom today with respect to publishing something that would go beyond council table and your honor's bench.
00:11:04.700So I don't know how much of an issue this is going to be anyway, at least with respect to pictures or video.
00:11:16.080And the courts thought about this issue in regards to publication of exhibits.
00:11:20.880Obviously, the court will entertain all motions before any, but after considering it, here's the two points that I wish to address.
00:11:32.180In regards to the exhibits, there is benefit to publication of certain exhibits, but I also do not, and this is going to the camera operator, do not want them to be displayed on TV.
00:11:45.960I believe it is important that the parties know that the exhibits are being viewed by the judge in real time and in open court.
00:11:57.040However, what I will do is have the monitor placed against that wall to reduce the possibility of it being broadcast.
00:12:05.140and so um on the exhibits that the court grants to be published in court and not going to mr
00:12:14.060novak's point not to be given copies to and the court is trying to be mine yeah that's probably
00:12:19.400this is more than likely going to be pictures of the body guys uh from obviously autopsy etc
00:12:24.620the crime scene the blood uh that's probably what they're referring to here that if it's shown on
00:12:32.240TV, that's essentially giving a copy to. And so the court is taking Mr. Novak's point in
00:12:39.560consideration. And so the anticipation is, and I know I'm catching staff a little bit off guard,
00:12:45.580is placing that television right behind Jeff, our bailiff, to minimize the accidental capture
00:12:52.380by the camera and allowing it to be displayed. I recognize that that is not the ideal spot for
00:13:00.340viewing but I'm also trying to balance the rights and important considerations
00:13:06.220that defense has made and again this will be on an exhibit by exhibit basis
00:13:10.660on what is published or what is not but the for the for the exhibits that the
00:13:15.580court rules can be published in open court that is going to be the location
00:13:21.380of the monitor and and again the court spent a bit of time weighing what should
00:13:28.660be done, where the monitor should be placed to accomplish the purposes of publication
00:13:35.800at the same time protecting, especially as it may relate to sensitive material if the
00:13:42.420court deems that to be publishable in the courtroom.
00:13:46.580Any questions that I can address from either side or clarification needed or thoughts that
00:31:33.280I'm going to make a brief report on discovery updates,
00:31:36.240and then just inform the court that the state has provided copies of all exhibits for today's proceedings to the defense in advance of this hearing.
00:40:41.660Okay, so based off the question that this prosecutor is asking, it's very clear that this guy more than likely probably has the best knowledge of the video surveillance system, the landscape of the campus, and he probably was on scene.
00:40:55.860So prosecutors a lot of times when they're getting their witnesses for prelims or whatever, they want to get witnesses that are really good at one thing or very knowledgeable about something that's extremely pertinent to the case.
00:41:07.600So in this case, obviously, we saw the surveillance footage, right?
00:41:10.300we understand it's a college campus so they're bringing in the guy that's the most knowledgeable
00:41:14.340this guy's a senior police officer he's worked for many different agencies i saw someone write hey
00:41:18.120why do you work for so many departments so guys when you work for the state a lot of the times
00:41:22.340you can easily just transfer from police department to police department probably pay
00:41:25.760or you know disgruntled or whatever it may be so um but it's not uncommon for uh police officers
00:41:31.440to leave departments to go to other ones for better opportunities structures yes um same answer
00:41:37.180for that yes okay um and anytime i give commentary and stop it guys i'll just speed it back up so we
00:41:42.700catch up to where we were before i got y'all ninjas man make sure i like the video you guys
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00:41:58.840smash the like video like button are you familiar with the courtyard or the outdoor amphitheater
00:42:04.740amphitheater on campus i am and generally speaking where is that located on campus it's
00:42:09.620more of the central it's an outdoor area centered by a bunch of buildings on the around it so it's
00:42:13.940in the center of campus pretty much okay can you describe um what it looks like this courtyard this
00:42:18.900amphitheater it's kind of like an amphitheater that's where charlie was shot guys so you got
00:42:22.580some grass a couple steps that go up you've got some cement on top with some bushes and flowers
00:42:26.580you've got places where people can sit and eat they come out and study and relax on the grass
00:42:29.780and there's a waterfall with a little pond that comes down into a stream.
00:42:56.440There's an inside one and an outside one.
00:42:57.680Okay, so what is the Hall of Flags then?
00:42:58.660The Hall of Flags is kind of like a bridge between two buildings that all the flags throughout the world are represented in there are some chairs where people sit down and relax with windows so you can see through all the way to the Utah Lake.
00:43:07.080Okay. What are those two buildings that are connected by this Hall of Flags?
00:43:09.680The Fugle Building over to the Science Building area.
00:43:12.980Okay. So you mentioned the Fugle Building. Where is the Fugle Building located in relationship to this courtyard?
00:49:34.540Judge, first of all, it's very clear, well-established law that the person who took the photograph is not required to be present to lay the foundation for it.
00:49:41.940What's required for foundation is that the witness has knowledge of what's depicted in the photograph and can testify to it.
00:59:38.240Can you point to where the courtyard is located on that exhibit?
00:59:40.780The courtyard is going to be here where this grass is in this area right here.
00:59:43.520Okay. And what about the Fugle Building?
00:59:46.020Fugle Building is going to be this building right here.
00:59:47.860and the woodbury business building then woodbury is going to be this one right here with this
00:59:51.380red brick and the sorenson center sorenson center is going to be this white roof one that's right
00:59:55.280here okay now on this exhibit can you see the lds institute building and the parking structure
00:59:59.340ninjas i got the map for you guys right here this is it this is the losi center uh where'd it go
01:00:05.200this is it right here and this is the one that i showed you guys on the surveillance footage by
01:00:11.540the way so this is it right here is what it looks like just so you guys have an idea this is where
01:00:17.340i'm assuming this is where the shot came from more than likely because this looks exactly um
01:00:21.960yeah yeah is where the shot came from talked about no not really you got the back side of
01:00:26.900the institute building which is right here and i'll see if i get you guys a better image
01:00:29.420structures over there okay mr grenander let me stop you just for the benefit of the record
01:00:33.460because the record is picking up the audio when you're pointing it to and i know it may be a
01:00:37.020little bit laborious to do this but as you're identifying indicate the general location on it
01:00:41.280the left side right side middle uh upper lower just so the record knows to some degree where
01:00:46.400you're pointing in that way because the video isn't being captured so if you
01:00:50.180would do that it just creates a more complete record thank you understood
01:00:53.120that's fair thank you judge so again let's point to the courtyard and if
01:00:58.820you'll describe as best you can where that is located on the photograph on
01:01:02.180this photograph the courtyard is going to be this grass area that's gonna be to
01:01:05.060the towards the top of the pitcher the baseball field is behind it it's closer
01:01:08.480to the surrounded buildings there's some grass in there that would be the
01:01:10.880courtyard area okay we've talked about the Hall of Flags and the walkway above
01:01:14.000that hall. Where is that located on this photograph? The hall flag is going to be right by the courtyard
01:01:18.160just to the west side. There's a red brick towards the top of the picture. There's a red brick pathway
01:01:21.660that goes from the Fugle Building, which is on the left of the picture, towards the right of the picture, which is the Science Building area.
01:01:26.040Okay, and then the Sorensen Center, is that the building in the middle
01:01:30.140with the large white roof? Yeah, it's going to be kind of towards the upper part
01:01:34.140of the picture, middle of it. It's going to be a white roof. That will be the Sorensen Center.
01:01:38.100Just to the north and east of the courtyard? Yes, north and east. Okay, and then finally,
01:01:41.460If you would describe the low-sea building the location of that on this exhibit
01:01:44.800The low-sea building could be pretty much in the middle on the right side
01:01:47.580So the middle to the right I was gonna have two different colors of gray a darker gray and the lighter gray
01:01:52.440There's a red pathway and that will be the low-sea center, okay?
01:01:55.580You mentioned officers right here. There were different stories on the low-sea right here
01:01:59.900How many stories to the low-sea building? I'm sorry there's four four stories
01:02:02.860Okay, you mentioned that you were familiar with the rooftop. Do you know how to gain access to the rooftop of the low-sea building?
01:02:07.760Yes, there's actually an outside stairway right here that comes up.
01:02:12.380It's going to be just to the south of Losi building.
01:02:14.420There's a red pathway right directly in the middle of the picture.
01:02:16.640Off to the south of that on the left side of the picture is an outdoor staircase and stairway.
01:05:28.060And just for the record, I would also point the court to State v. Purcell, which is a Supreme Court case here in the state of Utah, 1985,
01:05:38.580which essentially stands for the proposition that if a competent witness with personal knowledge of the facts represented in a photograph
01:05:47.880can testify that that photograph accurately represents those facts, the exhibit's admissible.
01:05:55.100He's also spoke about the date being September 10th, 2025.
01:05:59.320The showing that's required here is essentially a prima facie showing.
01:06:03.660We're not required to show proof beyond a reasonable doubt, for example, that it was accurate that day or even a preponderance of the evidence.
01:08:03.100That walkway, where were you stationed?
01:08:06.100I was down here by the end of the flower pots, which is down here on the south side towards the Fugle building on the far right of the picture.
01:08:12.100of the picture okay um in relationship to where you were stationed where is the uh hey guys smash
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01:08:27.860then the fugal building is just to the right of me so it would be on the south end of me okay
01:08:35.460and so it's on the right side of the photograph there far right side of the photograph what about
01:08:39.380the business building? The business building is just going to be in the middle of the picture
01:08:44.120on the far right. It's going to have some red brick pathways. It's going to be multi-level
01:08:48.520and that will be the Woodbury building. Okay. The Sorensen Center, where is that located
01:08:53.500on the photograph? Sorensen Center is going to be middle to far left of the picture. It's
01:08:58.040going to have a white roof on top of it, multi-level. Okay. And the Losey Center, where is that
01:09:02.700located? Losey Center is going to be towards the top of the picture, kind of off-centered
01:09:08.980it a little bit but it's gonna have the four or five floors that are the four floors that are
01:09:13.480sitting right there okay um can you describe those stories what we're looking someone said
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01:09:35.720possibly five. So this is ground level where the courtyard is so this as you go over in towards
01:09:42.280the low sea building inside there's an elevator that'd be ground one level one. Level two would
01:09:47.680be the second one where these red ATVs are sitting on the grass right there in the middle of the
01:09:52.920picture. If you go from that that would be the third level and your fourth level which is the
01:09:58.020actual top level of the building is that very top one with the windows that you can see.
01:10:02.580okay is there an atrium on the top of that there is an atrium it's actually it's got a little
01:10:08.720sphere on the top of it it looks like a little square right on top of the low sea building that
01:10:13.120would be an atrium now you mentioned two shades of gray on the rooftop of the low sea building
01:10:17.640yes can you see that on this exhibit i can so where the atrium is is a lighter gray gravel
01:10:23.220and on the west side um because i'm looking east on the west side there's two uh ventilations for
01:10:31.700the Loci building, two vents on top of that, it's in the darker gray.
01:10:35.860Okay. You mentioned you're familiar with the rooftop of the Loci Center,
01:10:40.260correct? Yes. When someone is standing on the Loci Center,
01:10:43.760can they see down into the courtyard? Yes, they can. And where is the
01:10:47.620courtyard located? It's going to be in the center of the picture with the grass
01:10:51.520and the atrium style steps. Would that be
01:10:54.660west of the Loci Center then? Yes, it would be directly west of the Loci Center.
01:10:59.120Okay. Now, in a couple of the other exhibits, we saw a tent that was down, set up in the courtyard.
01:11:06.120Can you see that tent set up in the courtyard in this photograph?
01:11:09.280You cannot. In this picture, you can't.
01:11:11.640It would be where I explained where the hall of flags is.
01:11:14.460It's directly underneath the hall of flags, like just on the grass right there.
01:11:18.040Okay. Can someone, is there a clear line of sight between the tent and the top of the LOSI Center, the rooftop?
01:13:48.520Okay. And how can you personally tell that this is a photograph of the campus and the neighborhood to the northeast of campus?
01:14:01.840I can tell because I recognize all the buildings, the roads that are around it, the streets, the roundabouts, the neighborhood to the north or towards the top of the building or picture also.
01:14:12.320Now, I've asked you about several buildings and landmarks on campus.
01:14:17.320Are you able to see the courtyard on this exhibit?
01:21:19.840It's the curved road that comes all the way down in front of the Institute building and the parking structure.
01:21:25.100And it goes all the way around campus, comes back down to the bottom of the picture where the roundabout is, and that would be Campus Drive.
01:24:25.540Okay, let's go ahead and take it down.
01:24:44.380So you were securing the Hall of Flags walkway, correct?
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01:25:29.480it's insane dude what was happening that morning that day on campus at uvu i i came in to do a
01:25:38.920shift for a special event that where we had a guest speaker come in and was gonna talk to the
01:25:44.200students and people around the neighborhood. Do you know who the guest speaker was? I do. And who was that? It was Charlie Kirk. Did you see Mr. Kirk that day? I did. When did you first see him? When he arrived on campus just behind the west side of the Hall of Flags I saw him pull up. And can someone access the courtyard in that through that area? Yes they can. How so? Where he pulled up underneath the Hall of Flags is a opening to where
01:26:14.180You could drive a car underneath, so there's access right there.
01:26:18.580You could walk or drive underneath the Hall of Flags.
01:32:39.520as I canvassed the area I was looking for anybody that was injured I saw a kid
01:32:44.380on the ground that was on the about the second or third tier of the in the grass
01:32:48.040next to a wheelchair and he was almost convulsing I thought he'd maybe been
01:32:53.140shot talked to the dad as I was running over there he said that he was just
01:32:56.360having a seizure that he was fine he was not injured so then at that moment I
01:32:59.800observed that there was no other injuries that I could see at that moment
01:33:03.460okay did was your attention drawn to anything else at that time yeah so
01:33:09.460So after we got some people kind of cleared away a little bit, I thought I needed to start preserving the scene because we had a crime scene.
01:33:16.400And with some of my experience and training to that effect, I decided now we need to contain the scene and help preserve as much evidence as we can.
01:33:23.840So I started pushing people off the grass out of the courtyard area because I knew that's where the crime scene was.
01:33:30.760So as we started pushing those guys out, my chief, Chief Long, that was right next to me.
01:33:36.400I looked down and saw an empty pistol holder that was sitting just on top of the grass.
01:33:43.400And at that moment, things had died down just a split second.
01:33:46.180I realized that the shot I heard was more of a rifle shot and not a pistol shot.
01:39:19.660I think the reason why the prosecution is going so hard is because of all the alternative theories out there, which obviously hurt their case.
01:39:25.660and we renew excuse me we renew our standing objection and object on the grounds that there's
01:39:30.540no foundation latest when the photo was taken or by home thank you that's like what the fourth time
01:39:35.420she's tried this now with the foundation same response judge yeah same response judge my
01:39:41.240previous arguments did you state that this was a fair and accurate representation as of september
01:39:45.32010th i had said that day i'll ask it again all right to the officer officer bagley um you were
01:39:49.720you saw this screwdriver you're describing on september 10th 2025 is that correct yes
01:39:53.080is state's exhibit 3.1 a fair and accurate depiction of that screwdriver that day september
01:39:57.72010th 2025 yes all right state moves to admit i will go ahead and admit state's exhibits 3.1 is
01:40:03.820admitted based off the firsthand knowledge of this uh what this image purports to be and is a fair
01:40:08.860and accurate representation as uh this item on that date of september 10th 2025 so that's the
01:40:14.900second chair prosecutor right there so they got two prosecutors on this case and this he's lead
02:01:59.780This is a critical piece of evidence, guys, because this was a screwdriver that was used to assemble the gun that has Tyler's DNA on it, according to the state.
02:06:45.960You also have Utah Lake, which is towards the top of it.
02:06:49.240As you come down towards the center on the top, you've got a pond,
02:06:53.300which is the ponds over at Utah Valley University.
02:06:56.200I've come down from that, from where the water meets that red-bricked part,
02:06:59.800More towards the center is the Hall of Flags, and just below that where you can see the grass and the white tent is where Charlie Kirk was sitting looking west, and we're on top of the Losey building.
02:07:11.420And is this depicting a particular corner of the Losey rooftop?
02:24:54.600It was a county deputy a female. Did you provide instructions to her? I did and what were those instructions?
02:24:59.280I advised her not to let anybody inside the crime scene. Okay without being a police officer or an investigator. Okay
02:25:05.460Thank you. You can take your seat again
02:25:16.640Officer upon seeing this disturbance in the gravel you've described what it looked like to you someone lying down in a prone position, correct? Yes. What did you do next?
02:25:24.600So when I got to the top of the Losley building during that day, I noticed the screwdriver, kept going to the edge, found that prone position.
02:25:32.980At that moment, I realized, because it was a direct line of sight, plus the disturbance in the gravel,
02:25:37.420where I could see somebody laid down in a prone position or a sniper position and asked dispatch to get on the vid.
02:25:42.760Then I realized that we probably didn't have our shooter in custody from that moment.
02:25:46.800I asked dispatch to get on the camera system and to see if anybody was on top of the Losley building during the time of the incident.
02:30:26.900What has been stated, so I'm specifically making that finding as I'm receiving this evidence and I'm not accepting it for the truth of matter asserted only as represented by Mr.
02:30:37.660Grunander, and with that, the objection is overruled. Mr. Grunander, you may
02:30:41.800proceed. Thank you, Judge. So you mentioned you were provided with information that
02:30:46.840an individual was running north on the Losi rooftop, correct? Yes. What else was
02:30:50.840described to you? At that moment, I actually knew I had responding units
02:30:55.220coming into the scene. I advised other officers that I needed the Losi
02:30:59.540building secured search because I didn't know exactly what way other than he
02:31:03.620ran north. At that moment, I went down to the police department, which is just down
02:31:07.520the stairwell and looked at the video myself and where is the police department located it's in the
02:31:12.160gunther trade building just directly to the south of the low sea building okay so where i describe
02:31:16.800those outside stairs the building to the left of that or south would be the gunther trade building
02:31:21.440okay what's on what level is the police department it's level three level three okay upon arriving
02:31:26.400at the police department what did you do next then i then look at the footage to verify for
02:31:30.000myself exactly what expired on that moment where i could see an individual run to the edge get up
02:31:35.040and then run off and then drop off the northeast side of the building of the
02:31:38.940Loci building. Okay having viewed that what did you do next? At that moment I
02:31:45.960realized I had more more crimes a bigger crime scene that I needed to contain and
02:31:49.440preserve for evidence. At that moment I went and grabbed some more crime scene
02:31:53.280tape and I responded to the northeast side of the building and secured an area
02:31:57.280where I saw impressions of the shoe print inside the grass and also up above
02:32:02.800on that northeast side of the building. I could see on the cement where someone had scuffed there and then dropped down to the shoe imprint and then finished going northeast.
02:32:09.800Okay. I can take the witness back to States Exhibit 2.
02:32:19.800You mentioned seeing an individual drop down. Could you come down and point that area out to the court?
02:37:58.080Did you receive any type of briefing materials, written materials, prior to the event that talked about who would be covering what or anything like that?
02:38:09.020Like I said, it started getting hectic, so we were trying to get down there to secure the area and push people away from the top of the tent.
02:38:13.620now when this event was over um you prepared a report is that right i did and in the report it
02:38:24.340covers a lot of what you testified to with mr grenander doesn't it yes and i think you said
02:38:29.480you attended what 600 hours of post training it's around 600 hours yes and i'm sure somewhere in
02:38:35.220that training you were taught the importance of your police report yes and how it will be relied
02:38:41.140on years later to recreate events like it's being done right now.
02:38:45.700And so you know it's really important to be as accurate as possible in your
02:41:38.020And take your time and look at the whole report and see if there's anywhere in there where you ever mentioned that it came from the east or to your right.
02:41:49.740OK, interesting. Let's see what happens here and I'll get my commentary after.
02:49:48.320Guys, get your superchats in. I'll read superchats after this Ukraine part.
02:49:51.440It's slightly smaller in scale. Obviously, they're all terrifying for the Ukrainian people having to live through this. But we're hearing of 68 missiles, 351 drones. The key thing to know there, though, is that while the Ukrainians were able to shoot down 37 missiles, they did not manage to avert any of the ballistic missiles that were fired.
02:50:11.600And Zelenskyy saying openly that was because of an insufficient supply of interceptor missiles.
02:50:16.740So that is going to be a key question going into the NATO summit this week,
02:50:20.000is will allies be able to step up and provide more of those supplies to Ukraine?
02:50:24.500And another thing to note, though, is that this isn't just now on the Russian side
02:50:28.400that we're seeing these overnight attacks.
02:50:29.780We're seeing an escalating tip for tack on both sides.
02:50:32.920The Russian Ministry of Defense saying that they shot down or averted some 519 Ukrainian drones
02:50:40.240One of the key targets appears to have been the Leningrad region, home to Russia's second city of St. Petersburg, where the governor is reporting damage to infrastructure around several key oil ports, more rolling power outages also seen in Crimea and Russian-occupied Crimea.
02:50:56.460So, again, tip for tat escalation on both sides. We're seeing a more aggressive posture, I think, from Russia in many ways.
02:51:02.620and over the weekend Putin and Trump spoke on the phone on July 4th and a clear attempt I think
02:51:08.300from Putin to wrestle the narrative back. You've seen more sympathy from Trump towards the Ukrainian
02:51:13.080side recently so we're seeing more of those attempts from Russia and Putin trying to claim
02:51:17.500again that this is a these are terrorist attacks from Ukraine and that Russia is confidently in
02:51:22.640the words of the foreign ministry in Russia advancing on the front line. So the questions
02:51:26.900going into the NATO summit is I think number one air defenses for Ukraine and secondly will this
02:51:31.620be the moment given the successes that we're seeing from yeah the problem with this war guys
02:51:36.680is that both sides have like maximalist demands so this war is not going to end anytime soon
02:51:42.220unfortunately guys it's kind of a black pill but like it's just not going to end anytime soon
02:51:47.800um like russia wants to be able to wants ukraine to recognize the territory that they've taken
02:51:55.080ukraine refuses to do that and they also don't want them to join nato ukraine refuses to do that
02:52:00.720So it's like, you know, it's a very, both parties are making maximalist demands, and they refuse to concede.
02:52:11.960From Ukraine, will it be the moment that the U.S. decides to further tighten the screws on Russia?
02:52:16.700President Trump is set to head to Ankara Monday night.
02:52:19.680He spoke to both the Russian and Ukrainian presidents over the weekend.
02:52:23.480How might this reverberate through the summit?
02:52:26.200I think because President Zelenskyy will be here in person and he's a powerful and emotionally
02:52:37.060connected figure, you know, with these NATO leaders, he will be pressing the point that
03:21:11.360yeah people are just uh what was this i never heard this girl before in my life
03:21:26.120you know what let's go ahead you guys the conspiracy people will go ahead and go on
03:21:35.300here for you guys because you guys you guys wanted the uh the different theories here we go
03:21:39.920And there is one person responsible for what happened here, and that person is now in custody and will be charged soon and will be held accountable.
03:21:53.820After an over 30-hour manhunt, authorities say they've got the man who shot and killed political activist Charlie Kirk on the campus of Utah Valley University.
03:22:03.040because as the frantic search was ramping up, there has been a lot of chatter and misinformation
03:22:08.240and theories surrounding Charlie Kirk's death. We're taking some time to discuss some of these
03:22:14.120theories that have been spreading quite quickly online and in the media, as well as brand new
03:22:18.340information on the suspect. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law & Crime. I'm Jesse Weber.
03:22:27.080Federal and state authorities in Utah say they have arrested the gunman, the man who allegedly
03:22:31.780took the life of political activist and media personality Charlie Kirk, identifying him during
03:22:37.140a news conference this morning as 22-year-old Tyler Robinson, who actually, by the way,
03:22:43.380lived hours away from Utah Valley University. But authorities say he is the man. They say he
03:22:50.340is the one who brought a bolt-action rifle to the top of a campus building and fired one shot
03:22:56.020at Kirk, who, by the way, was speaking in this debate-style event in front of thousands of
03:23:01.560people. That bullet, and I'm sure you've seen the videos, that bullet hit Kirk in the neck.
03:23:07.260He was rushed to a hospital, but the married father of two young children was pronounced dead
03:23:12.700at just 31 years old. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. We got him. On the evening of September
03:23:19.86011th, a family member of Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted the Washington
03:23:26.980County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that
03:23:32.240he had committed the incident. Robinson, he was taken into custody around 10 p.m. He was booked
03:23:38.340into jail. According to FBI Director Cash Patel, after surveillance images and video of this suspect
03:23:44.820was released to the public, they received thousands of leads. While he said that they're
03:23:50.700going to follow up on all those leads, even though there's an arrest, there are still so
03:23:55.600many theories about what happened here. And you wonder, is it really going to quiet that
03:24:00.820conversation? We're talking misunderstandings. We're talking misinformation. We're talking up
03:24:05.960conspiracy theories, general theories. That is what we want to get into right now.
03:24:11.100because now speaking of conspiracy conspiracy theories um there is a war going on on twitter
03:24:17.760right now guys okay you guys know i don't comment on drama like that um but they've this has been
03:24:24.360nuts i i've this has been going on for days chat literally for days um you guys can see here uh
03:24:33.420candace posted this earlier today three hours ago one more fight charlie i don't fear these demons
03:24:38.160we will win right a lot of uh support and then here's jeremy boring the demon is you canis or
03:24:45.760is in you the demon is tyler romerson or was in him the demon is not charlie's wife the demon is
03:24:51.500not charlie's closest friends the demon is not the organization charlie bled to build and grow
03:24:55.120the demon is not israel who has nothing to do with any of this okay nigga
03:24:59.360or the egyptians or the french or any of the other people in institutions you have
03:25:04.540slandered for money and fame your narcissism and sociopathy uh and self-interest and resentment
03:25:11.980and grief have all commingled into something truly sinister which you have become in which
03:25:17.520you have done can only be answered in the blood of the very christ jesus you bless them for cheap
03:25:23.280points and clicks you are playing games with your soul candace and with people's lives it is a game
03:25:30.420you lose automatically just by playing you sit on top of the world of fame but you are failing
03:25:35.220no falling into the pit of hell itself you're leading others there too and being cheered on by
03:25:40.700those already lost god have mercy on your soul and it's kind of been the um the mantra of the
03:25:47.000people that dislike candace you know people from daily wire people from tp usa relentless going
03:25:55.860after i guess this guy says you're the demon um you know so you can see people like just like
03:26:03.780you know point us up a bunch of stuff uh is this stacy sheridan walking in with ck's parents
03:26:09.640can somebody give me the background of this chick i know she used to work for turning point usa but
03:26:13.780like what's the relevance here oss alex with the 10 gifted thank you my friend appreciate you bro
03:26:20.020and then uh shout out to all you guys following the channel by the way as well shout out to all
03:26:25.060ninjas hope you guys are enjoying the broadcast should i start going live earlier in the middle
03:26:29.460of the day like this more i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have to go live in the middle of the day
03:26:34.700like this seems like you guys really enjoy this shit you were not charlie's friend you were not
03:26:42.680his defender you were his tormentor and now you torment his wife an organization he built
03:26:46.640candace you're a fraud oh he's quoting andrew colbert yeah so
03:26:50.660Andrew Colvin and Candace have been going at each other crazy the past several days I haven't really
03:26:58.340said anything about it because you know whatever um but obviously with this hearing going on
03:27:03.660you know emotions are high you know no one's really happy that Charlie got killed bro like
03:27:10.280nobody like you know you got to be a sick piece of shit to cheer on um for Charlie's assassination
03:27:17.380you know um and obviously you know emotions are very high right now because this is the first time
03:27:23.480that we're actually like getting any type of legal progression in this case
03:27:27.840right for you know you guys remember charlie got killed on september 10th guys 2025 it's fucking
03:27:34.340july 6 2026 like it took 10 months right for us to hear anything so obviously this is a very
03:27:43.200emotional day it's a very important day um for everybody so um yeah I'll read I'll read this
03:27:51.220for you guys a little bit here he goes um so he's responding to Candace's comment here with
03:27:56.800Charlie right there from this photo and he says uh hold on let me let me finish reading these
03:28:03.780super chats so I make sure I don't uh welcome to the OSS urban legend have you seen that Andrew
03:28:07.780Wilson wants to debate Candace Owens about Charlie Kirk's assassination conspiracy around it yes I
03:57:40.260And it appears to me from reviewing your body camera that there was another individual who was...
03:57:46.360And just so you know, that's why a lot of police officers aren't going to put too much detail in their police reports because there's no need to do it.
03:59:36.440So once I put up the barrier, I only walked up to about that point.
03:59:40.480Then I went down and reviewed the video from that moment on.
03:59:43.960So were you able to see, are you able to say for one way or the other if anyone else had been on that roof in between when the person jumped off the building and when you came on the roof?
03:59:54.620Are you able to say one way or the other?
03:59:56.280There was people up there looking for an individual that ran that way because when I first got told the individual ran heading north, we didn't know where the shooter was.
04:00:04.660So we started climbing up and looking, clearing the building.
04:00:07.800And it wasn't until I went to the PD and actually saw him jump off of the building that I knew he was off the building.
04:00:12.500let me rephrase that because i think i'm i either asked it badly or you misunderstood me so let me
04:00:18.000let me go back again so from the time that the individual that you spot if you guys appreciate
04:00:23.900that advice that i gave you guys the best way to support show love back join the oss guys
04:00:27.900that is the best way to show love back i'll drop the link in here for you guys just use the code
04:00:34.500um l youtube those are the two best ways to support the mission you can either give the
04:00:42.120up or join oss dollar the first month 10 bucks after that that's how i'm able to do what i do
04:00:47.420and say what i say despite the fact that youtube has me demonetize those fucking kike faggots
04:00:51.760bought it on the video jumped off the roof right the individual that you thought was in the prone
04:00:57.320position okay between that and when you got on the roof did you ever check to see if anybody else
04:01:03.080had been on the roof in that period of time yeah and i didn't see anybody so you didn't link is in
04:01:08.020did you look on the video to see that entire okay that's what i'm asking so you did not
04:01:17.040review the video to see if there was someone between you that individual jumping off and you
04:01:22.020coming on if anybody had been on or disturbed that scene in any way okay but once you put the
04:01:27.560tape up you're then we're confident from that point on the scene was preserved right um by the
04:01:34.400where did you get that tape officers responded on the scene that he was down
04:01:39.440on the bottom threw it up to me so okay so you didn't have it on you no and you
04:01:45.020didn't leave the scene to go get it no someone threw it up yes great
04:03:06.900cam footage that I reviewed appears to end
04:03:10.440while you're still on the roof. Do you know why that is?
04:03:14.980I think the battery went dead. It was just right at that moment.
04:03:17.400Okay. And do you know, did you ever turn it back on that day or go get it, I don't know, what do you have to do, charge it or stick a new battery in it? I don't even know.
04:03:27.440Usually dock it, but no, I didn't go back. I was too, it was too chaotic running around.
04:03:32.240So that 27 minute and 35 second body cam that starts when you're at the Hall of Flags and ends while you're still on the roof, but haven't put the crime tape up yet, that's the only body cam you have that day?
04:12:37.440one last uh thing i want to clarify we heard you testify that
04:12:54.220ms richards or i don't know if she's deputy richards she's a she's a state employee for
04:12:58.980the frenzy lab so ms richards um she which is common um you know local police departments
04:13:05.420typically don't have like you know crime labs so what ended up happening is like you know the
04:13:09.820state will come in and give assistance because the state police labs are always very good hell
04:13:13.740i used the dps lab all the time when i was an agent in texas he is the one who took those night
04:13:17.880the Texas DPS lab time pictures of this stuff on the roof yes and it you testified that she told
04:13:24.380you that that was what they looked like that day yes when did you meet with her I talked to her on
04:13:30.140the phone it was several weeks ago in preparation for the trial so prior to a couple weeks ago you
04:13:35.100never discussed those pictures because I'd never seen them oh so a couple weeks goes the first time
04:13:39.860you saw them all right and did you write any kind of supplement to your report to add on to your
04:13:46.900report other than what we've gone through today that one report you wrote have you ever written
04:13:51.240another one i have not okay that's all i have thank god i tender the witness thank you miss
04:13:56.820okay um now we're going to get the second witness i think this next witness is going to be a lot
04:14:01.340better this is probably going to be one of the um one of the case agents so let's see who the
04:14:06.140who the prosecutor is going to call mr grunander redirect just one question i believe judge all
04:14:12.500Okay, so yeah, the prosecutor's going to do a redirect.
04:14:19.040He's going to come in and clarify anything that the defense attorney might have, you know, was able to get him to trip up on, which honestly, it wasn't much.
04:14:27.220Officer Bagley, if we could pull up State's Exhibit 1.
04:14:29.740But like, witnesses like this are like, you know, he's just a patrolman.
04:14:34.240What are you going to argue with him about?
04:30:28.640Does it also include a warning that if someone provides a false statement, in this case Ms. Wright,
04:30:33.640that it could be punishable by a class A missionary?
04:30:35.620it does yes all right so it seems to me like this woman uh right um last name right uh probably
04:30:52.020provided you know probably some of the best um footage of the shooting um and what do you recall
04:31:00.060is the essence of that written statement for miss right i mean what what does it basically
04:31:04.040Object, Your Honor. At this point, we want to assert our standing objection to the constitutionality of allowing in Ms. Wright's statement when she is not here present in court to be cross-examined.
04:31:17.020We did include those constitutional arguments in our standing objection.
04:31:21.280Also, this does fall under the type of document that should be safeguarded under Rule 4-202.02-8.
04:31:31.560i knew that was coming dude as soon as he started talking about her sworn statement i was like i
04:31:35.860hope they have her in court and they don't knew she was gonna object to that shit erin f as in
04:31:42.420frank um and and or should be classified as protected under subsection five o as in orange
04:31:49.700um because the disclosure could jeopardize the life safety or property of the witness it's also
04:31:54.780technically um of victims um i mean if she's present under the current theory and the
04:32:00.680information she's technically could be classified as a victim of the event um so it also should be
04:32:07.740protected under that um so we would object to it being read in public it would not be admissible
04:32:12.160a trial in the current format that it is due to its hearsay nature um we do think yeah but this
04:32:16.300is a prelim hearing man this lady is really grasping at straws here preliminary hearing
04:32:21.360is just for probable cause hearsay is absolutely allowed that's why he's bringing in all these law
04:32:26.440enforcement guys because the law enforcement guys know the totality of the case and they can like
04:32:30.500tell you when i did this interview i got this whatever this is what other law enforcement
04:32:34.660officers told me hearsay guys evidence is stuff that you get from other people that's why he
04:32:39.700brought in law enforcement guys because they have all the facts of the case they're the best witnesses
04:32:42.840for preliminary hearings would negatively impact our client's right to a fair trial and furthermore
04:32:48.680I believe the witness herself has requested that, particularly because the video.
04:33:00.160Coming in, I think would still fall under the protection.
04:33:04.100And so for all those reasons, we would object to that coming out in public and being discussed in the public forum and being published in any way.
04:33:13.960All right. So if you wouldn't mind just restating the rule that you're relying upon so I can fully look at your objection.
04:33:24.320It's the UCJA, the Utah, oh gosh, Code of Judicial Administration, I just blanked.
04:33:36.060The Utah Code of Judicial Administration for Rule 4-202.02, parenthetical 8, parenthetical F, as in Frank, and or parenthetical 5, and parenthetical capital O.
04:33:56.100All right. Thank you. I'm just getting there. I want to review this before I hear from Mr. Sturgill.
04:36:50.940All right, I've had a chance to review State's Exhibit 6.1, taking into note what Ms. Nester noted, UCJA 4-202.02, in referencing the section she did.
04:37:15.460And Judge, I don't mean to interrupt, but I had not yet addressed that rule.
04:37:19.460I would simply just add to that that that judicial rule, it does nothing to do with admissibility.
04:43:53.700So considering the arguments made by Ms. Nestor and Mr. Sturgill,
04:43:59.100I rely upon Rule 1102 as well as Utah Constitutional Article I, Section 12, as I previously mentioned, that final paragraph, it states nothing in this Constitution shall preclude the use of reliable hearsay as defined by statute or rule in whole or in part at any preliminary examination to determine probable cause or at any pretrial proceeding with respect to release of the defendant if appropriate discoveries allowed.
04:44:29.100As defined by statute or rule, I have examined this and the clarification was made.
04:44:34.580The previous version of this would fall afoul of having identifiable personal information of Ms. Wright.
04:54:54.200in the background is the hall of flags and then you have the the gazebo under which mr kirk was
04:55:01.720presenting his event from and then the crowd between where miss wright was and the stage
04:55:07.520okay but do you recognize what this is the beginning of yes this is all right for all
04:55:12.860you guys that are just joining lead investigator is on from the state burial investigation from
04:55:16.700utah this is the lead investigator okay what is the sbi the sbi is the fbi equivalent for the
04:55:23.560state of utah who who handles uh major crimes okay the guy's name is david hole okay special
04:55:32.680agent with the sbi he is the one that's satisfying right now the beginning of misrights video okay
04:55:40.980in a preliminary hearing there's not a this is not the trial chat i've seen a couple of you guys in
04:55:44.940the chat say it's a trial it's not a trial this is a preliminary hearing it's only to establish
04:55:48.780probable cause chairs the state would move to admit uh what's been mark state's exhibit 6.1
04:55:56.540if you're watching on youtube smash the like button if you're watching on tick tock smash the
04:55:59.900double tap okay oh i'm sorry six i apologize into to what level
04:56:09.580hold on hold on this next door i just want to get the clarification and then i'll certainly
04:56:19.660turn to you so the the levels of admitting into evidence then the next level is publishing it to
04:56:26.200the courtroom and then the next level is publishing it in a way that is captured yeah share the live
04:56:31.340guys appreciate you guys on tiktok sharing the live by the media what is your full request
04:56:35.880Judge, we'd ask that, first of all, it be admitted, that it be published here within the courtroom, and then that it also be published to the public at large.
04:56:50.060All right. Now, I'm not quite sure what this particular video is showing.
04:56:54.620Could you lay a little bit more foundation or proffer that what this is?
04:56:59.180Sure. You've seen this video, Agent Hall?
05:00:17.480her her camera or on her phone and uh and so judge i think that alone sufficiently authenticates
05:00:25.640the document and then even further than that you have uh agent paul who has reviewed the video
05:00:32.360himself and authenticates it at least with regards to location thank you as it relates to
05:00:40.040admissibility of this exhibit i believe this is state's exhibit six is that it is judge all right
05:00:45.740I'm sorry to interrupt. Can I add one more thing just for the record? For purposes of publication question, under UCJA 4-202.02, parent 4, parent R as in Richard, photograph, film, or video of a crime victim are designated as private court records.
05:01:11.460And I do think that based on what the state has previously referenced, they are perceiving that everyone in the audience is a potential victim.
05:01:22.120And so we think it shouldn't be published under that rule.
05:01:50.160I think it's only the minor children whose faces are blurred out, not Ms. Wright, if I'm not mistaken, unless it's been subsequently altered.
05:01:59.140My recollection is they've all been blurred out.
05:02:01.340All right. Let me I need to view this again. So let's just put it on my monitor again.
05:02:07.040I'm just trying to make sure that in order for make a ruling on this, I need to view it.
05:02:11.620So let's put it on my monitor, play it without any sound.
05:02:18.640OK, to my understanding is the prosecution has control of this exhibit.
05:02:23.400So what I'm asking is that the sound be turned off if there is any.
05:02:27.340uh oss guys keep um keep putting in your thing so i can give you guys uh mods and just go ahead
05:02:35.320and play it and it's only on well it's on all the parties monitors because i all i want you all to
05:02:40.720view it because that can go directly to as you've mentioned miss nester uh whether it's possibly
05:02:48.020admissible so let's go ahead and play that
05:02:49.780yeah uh tyler robinson is balding chat bro has been stressed
05:03:10.180guys i'm only giving wrenches to oss guys that's it i'm not giving wrenches to anybody
05:10:24.540And does it also include a warning that if he makes a, well, the author makes a false statement that could be punishable by being charged with Class A misdemeanor?
05:19:24.020And again, does that statement include an advisory that any statement that he provided would be used at preliminary hearing in lieu of his life testimony?
05:20:55.980We have constitutional concerns for the reasons we raised in our standing objection.
05:21:01.360We also would like to cross-examine Mr. Farnsworth about whether or not and to what extent these videos may have been altered in any way.
05:21:12.960It is clear that clips were being made out of the larger videos because he sent, even his own statement says he sent larger videos and this is just a small portion of them.
05:21:22.880So obviously someone made clips and we don't know who, we don't know how, we don't know what they did.
05:21:28.120and for those reasons and the reasons that are standing objection we would
05:21:33.160object to the admissibility of it and as well the I don't have a redacted
05:21:40.720version of 8.1 but I assume there is one there is personal information on this
05:21:47.020one do you have the redact okay I don't have that one all right um and we would
05:22:45.000It's a statement that's been made by a declarant that's written, and it's under oath, or not under oath, but pursuant to a notification of the declarant that a false statement made is punishable.
05:22:55.640I think there's been foundation to support that.
05:22:57.740In addition, Judge, Article 1, Section 12 of the Utah Constitution makes it very clear that the state at preliminary hearing can rely upon reliable hearsay.
05:29:41.300And do you know, with regards to that camera view,
05:29:45.700uh well let me ask you this so that particular camera view there was surveillance that was
05:29:51.900provided to you or another agent from you to you correct okay and do you recall who provided that
05:29:57.360video to you initially and who collected it um initially um i don't know specifically for that
05:30:04.680video uh but i know that whole process was oh that says i got you guys bro you guys are party
05:30:10.600number one i literally been doing this all for you guys because you ninjas rock with me i rock
05:30:15.240with you so we're getting all you guys wrenches right now that's one of the benefits of being an
05:30:22.500oss bro was overseen uh by mr olson who's responsible for that system okay do you have
05:30:30.800a first name for mr olson uh curtis olson i'm sorry curtis olson okay and and do you know what
05:30:36.780mr olson or curtis olson's position is at uvu i believe he's a director
05:30:41.620Is it his job to basically gather and forward any video that's captured by UVU surveillance?
05:30:50.720Yeah, he has a long title, but I think it's Director of Infrastructure, but he is responsible for that system.
05:30:59.440With regards to this particular video, the video from underneath the Hall of Flags,
05:31:03.500what, if anything, have you done with that video in preparation for today's hearing?
05:31:08.640I went specifically to meet Mr. Olson, have him review the video that we had, and again, like with the others, I had him complete an 1102 statement for us describing his role and verifying the videos.
05:31:28.620I did that on, actually on July 2nd of this year.
05:32:59.220And on that statement, do you recall whether it includes an advisory
05:33:03.880That his written statement would be used in lieu of his life testimony it did yes
05:33:08.940Does it also include a warning that if he provided a false statement on that form that he could be punished with a class a misdemeanor it did yes
05:33:33.260is there something displayed on your screen right now there is yes it should be 12.3 yeah it should
05:33:56.360be what's been marked the state's exhibit 12.3 do you recognize what that is yes that's the state
05:34:02.100Bureau of Investigations 1102 statement completed by Mr. Olson.
05:34:06.900Does it appear to be in the same condition as when you collected it?
05:45:53.460We would object on our standing objection grounds, constitutional issues in terms of the concern about Mr. Robinson's right to a fair trial.
06:03:00.160So I'm going to sustain the objection as it relates to the manner of death.
06:03:04.060It does not say murder, but in regards to the best evidence rule, again, under 1102 and the Utah Constitution that permits reliable hearsay,
06:24:01.220Okay. Were you able to determine at what time or times Mr. Robinson visited the UVU campus on September 10th?
06:24:12.640Yeah, we were able to establish that Mr. Robinson had been on campus approximately four times throughout the day, twice before the shooting, the time of the shooting, and then after the shooting later in the evening into the early hours of the 11th.
06:24:31.220hey tiktok people if you guys want me to stay on tiktok you guys better smash
06:24:38.440that button what are we sitting at we're at 84 we need a 200k guys
06:36:51.100that image is there now it's gone again
06:37:00.740is it there we're back okay we're back so do you recognize what this is yeah this is the first
06:37:11.700frame of the video compilation that we just referenced and again this video portrays what
06:37:19.700you believe is mr. Robinson visiting campus that day correct okay and is it
06:37:23.360throughout the day it is yes and then I believe he said into the early morning
06:37:27.100hours of the 11th is that right correct
06:37:37.860just as the state would see there would move to admit what's been marked states
06:37:43.760Exhibit 12.1. Ms. Nestor. Your Honor, we have objections to its admissibility. This is a compilation video that was put together from a bunch of different sources by the county attorney's office.
06:38:05.620This individual did not create this compilation, can't testify to the accuracy of the actual materials that it was taken from.
06:38:20.280And furthermore, Mr. Olson himself is just referred to by Agent Hall.
06:38:28.840He specifically says people have altered these recordings.
06:38:33.080They've zoomed in when the actual recording isn't zoomed.
06:38:36.640They've added little circles to people they want you to pay attention to.
06:38:42.120So, I mean, it's been clearly altered.
06:38:44.380And it's not, I mean, they admit it's been altered.
06:38:47.440So we have real concern about authenticity of it.
06:38:50.820Furthermore, this particular video should be protected.
06:38:55.120And so that deals with the admissibility factor.
06:38:57.600As far as the publication factor of it, the video should be classified as protected.
06:39:03.080under UCJA 4-202.02, subsection 5, J as in jelly bean, and then little I and little double I,
06:39:18.080because this is going to interfere with the defense's ongoing investigation with Mr. Tyler's ability,
06:39:24.140I mean with Mr. Robinson's ability to get a fair trial.
06:39:26.940This is basically putting together photos that are clear with photos that aren't clear, putting them all together in such a format that it makes the case that it's all one person.
06:39:43.700It would be extremely prejudicial for people that may ultimately serve on this jury to watch this video before this case goes to trial.
06:39:53.000We don't believe a proper foundation has been laid, which would make it admissible at this point.
06:39:58.460So the fact that it would be shown to the public would be extremely damaging to the ability to put on a defense at trial.
06:40:05.780And so we object to its publication both in the courtroom and to the media, Your Honor.
06:58:41.040It looks like I confirm that the above files were taken from our Nest doorbell videos and are accurate videos taken on September 10th and 11th, 2025 and provided voluntarily.
06:58:57.700And then this is from Cinzia DeNoble, April 6th, 2026.
06:59:08.020All right, that concludes the publication of State's Exhibit 13.
07:31:03.980Yo, the judge is like, he already, he was like, okay, you got to do it. Bro just waited.
07:31:08.140It was a different exhibit. And we just can't prepare that in the next hour or so. So we're going to need this evening to prepare that exhibit. And we'd like to return with that. Judge, what I would also suggest.
07:31:24.400Yeah, they're probably going to break here soon.
07:31:26.340Well, let's, I guess, let me get your take on that, Judge.
07:31:30.040All right. Does the defense wish to be heard about ending for the day? We have about 19 minutes until five o'clock.
07:31:37.780Like Trev says, speak of facts, learn how to conduct yourself, young fellas.
07:31:40.460Yeah, man, I'm telling you guys, bro, you have to learn this shit, man.
07:31:43.440Internet's not going to save you, bro, from real-life interactions.
07:31:47.320Everyone's cool on the Internet until they meet someone in public.