Former Fed Explains Tyler Robinson Prelim Hearing In Charlie Kirk Murder Case!
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss what a preliminary hearing is, the rules, and what to expect from this preliminary hearing. We also discuss the case against Ms. Robinson and Ms. Kirk and the charges they are facing.
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to permit representatives of the news media to use portable electronic devices during the
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preliminary hearing is respectfully denied. The request to permit counsel for the news media to
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use portable electronic devices during the preliminary hearing is granted. What's up,
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guys? Good morning. Good morning. I don't know why it's coming out one side, guys. Let me fix,
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let me try to see if I can get a better audio feed. I'm gonna see if I can get a better audio
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feed for you guys right now the request to permit counsel for the news media to use portable
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electronic devices yeah it's only coming out the left-hand side these guys can never get it right
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witnesses court staff members of the public who are present the court is also mindful of the duty
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to protect and uphold the constitutional rights of both mr. Robinson and miss Kirk to serve those
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important interests the court reminds all persons who will be in attendance so he's basically going
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over formalities right now guys i apologize for the audio i don't know why it's only coming out
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one side um i'm looking at all the different news people that are covering this thing
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and um you know it is what it is hopefully we can like you know we'll bounce around and see
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what we can get but yeah that's where we are portable electronic devices will not be permitted
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in the courtroom or on the fourth floor in addition he's just going over the rules
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and attendance will be afforded the dignity and respect due to them,
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all spectators shall be quiet, civil, and orderly.
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Spectators shall not engage in any distracting, disruptive, provocative,
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disrespectful, uncivil, or threatening behavior of any kind.
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Spectators shall not make any audible comments of any kind,
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shall not otherwise make any gestures during the hearing.
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and the court recognizes that this hearing may invoke emotion from all different from everyone
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all right once we get some more people in here i'm going to explain to you guys
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what a preliminary hearing is what they're doing and we're going to cover this in detail you guys
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came to the best channel to break this down so uh welcome but uh i'm gonna let i'm gonna let
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more people come into the stream and then i'm going to start talking about what a preliminary
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hearing is what's going on here and we'll do that all right let me turn the volume up too
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for you guys but yeah even law and crime don't got the audio on point bro so let me let me uh
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i'm gonna look and try to find a better feed for you guys pins buttons signs clothing or
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photographs expressing support for or against any person related to this case
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or the status of this case as a capital offense of the Constitution.
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In every engagement that you treat each person you engage with,
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with the dignity and respect they are inherently due.
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The format that I wish to follow if that objection.
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When an objection is made, all parties shall pause so that the objection may be heard.
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Yeah, all the different channels are having crappy audio.
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They just started this thing like a minute, like 10 minutes ago.
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He's just going over like, you know, formalities and stuff like that.
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If any party believes that an extended argument is necessary, particularly on sensitive matters, that party may request to approach the bench, and all parties will approach the bench.
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Both sides will be afforded an opportunity to be heard for or against the objection, after which I will issue a ruling either sustaining or overruling the objection.
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Once the ruling has been made, direct or cross-examination may resume.
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I anticipate that we will begin each morning at 9 a.m. with the exception of Wednesday.
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We will take a 15-minute morning break and a 15-minute afternoon break.
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If there is a situation that necessitates a break, please approach the bench and we can address that.
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We will recess for lunch at noon for one hour each day with the exception of Wednesday.
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They're two hours behind, guys. It's 9 a.m. over there, if you guys are wondering.
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And court will resume at 1 p.m. and continue until 5 p.m. each day.
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Does either party need the benefit of the record?
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Do either party wish to invoke the exclusionary rule?
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All right. The fence has invoked the exclusionary rule. I ask that all witnesses, if present, be excused from the courtroom and ask that each party monitor the courtroom to ensure your witnesses aren't present, as I'm not familiar with who they are.
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Of course, victim representative is excluded from that rule, as is the case manager pursuant to the.
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So I saw Brandon Tatum there. I'm assuming Megan Kelly is here. A lot of people are there, guys, out there in Utah covering this.
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Okay, and I anticipate that from here on out that they're just going to come to the lectrum, so.
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Okay, so just for the benefit of the record, to the questions, yes or no questions,
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well, the parties have entered their appearances
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and neither party wanted the benefit of the record.
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and Mr. Grunander, if you'd like to approach the electrum
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as the microphones at the tables are not activated.
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We anticipated that the defense would invoke the exclusionary rule.
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um we met with we consulted with defense for just a couple of minutes prior to the
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start of this hearing we essentially have two case agents your honor um david hull and brian
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davis both from the state of utah um the defense i told you guys that this is going to be a state
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case this is not a federal case do not listen to the morons okay this is not an fbi case it's not
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an atf case this is a state case guys okay uh these guys are from the state police criminal
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investigation major crimes unit has consented that both of them can be present so one is seated
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at my table uh the front table there are going to be the ones that probably present most of the
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testimony here um in this preliminary hearing this is brian davis agent which i'm going to explain
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for you guys what a preliminary hearing is once we fill this thing up a little bit davis and agent
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hull is seated on the bench just on the other side of the bar um he will be present for this
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hearing as well both of these agents will be testifying as part of the hearing thank you
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Ms. Nestor uh and your microphone's dead if you want to come forward and and it sounds like you've
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stipulated but just for the best so he's the prosecution that's the lead prosecutor right
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there that guy that spoke and I fit the record we have stipulated your honor for purposes of
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this hearing only thank you all right so agents Davis and Hull are permitted to remain in the
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courtroom during the duration of the preliminary hearing. Any other business
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that we need to address before we turn to the business of witnesses?
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Mr. Novak. Thank you, Your Honor. Richard Novak for Ms. Robinson. Your Honor, the
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court had issued an order, maybe it was early last week, asking the parties to
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meet and confer about the question of whether exhibits will be published.
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And we did, and we can either deal with this as a general matter or we can deal with it
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on an exhibit-by-exhibit basis, but I just wanted to make sure that we didn't lose track
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I'm just going to say technology in the courtroom
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because it's a shorthand for video cameras and photography and microphones
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because the parties had earlier stipulated that none of the
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exhibits would be available from the preliminary hearing would be
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available for inspection or copying. I understand that
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publishing the exhibits in the courtroom may technically be
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different than that, but whenever the court is ready to deal with that
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And in defense, do we anticipate this being a long argument, or is it something that we can handle,
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that there are some stipulations that we can address right now,
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and then the remainder we can address on an exhibit-by-exhibit basis?
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Judge, I don't know that we have any stipulations, but with that said, it is correct.
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I wanted to give the court just a brief roadmap, but part of that was exhibits 7, 8, and 9
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that we propose introducing will be graphic in nature.
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And those were the exhibits I was referring to at the last hearing
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where we would like to take a short break before they were published, if they are published.
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That's probably going to be pictures of Charlie's body.
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Judge, I don't see any TVs or monitors here in the courtroom today with respect to publishing something that would go beyond council table and your honor's bench.
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So I don't know how much of an issue this is going to be anyway, at least with respect to pictures or video.
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And the courts thought about this issue in regards to publication of exhibits.
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Obviously, the court will entertain all motions before any, but after considering it, here's the two points that I wish to address.
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In regards to the exhibits, there is benefit to publication of certain exhibits, but I also do not, and this is going to the camera operator, do not want them to be displayed on TV.
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I believe it is important that the parties know that the exhibits are being viewed by the judge in real time and in open court.
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However, what I will do is have the monitor placed against that wall to reduce the possibility of it being broadcast.
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and so um on the exhibits that the court grants to be published in court and not going to mr
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novak's point not to be given copies to and the court is trying to be mine yeah that's probably
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this is more than likely going to be pictures of the body guys uh from obviously autopsy etc
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the crime scene the blood uh that's probably what they're referring to here that if it's shown on
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TV, that's essentially giving a copy to. And so the court is taking Mr. Novak's point in
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consideration. And so the anticipation is, and I know I'm catching staff a little bit off guard,
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is placing that television right behind Jeff, our bailiff, to minimize the accidental capture
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by the camera and allowing it to be displayed. I recognize that that is not the ideal spot for
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viewing but I'm also trying to balance the rights and important considerations
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that defense has made and again this will be on an exhibit by exhibit basis
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on what is published or what is not but the for the for the exhibits that the
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court rules can be published in open court that is going to be the location
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of the monitor and and again the court spent a bit of time weighing what should
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be done, where the monitor should be placed to accomplish the purposes of publication
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at the same time protecting, especially as it may relate to sensitive material if the
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court deems that to be publishable in the courtroom.
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Any questions that I can address from either side or clarification needed or thoughts that
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Mr. Grunander, as it relates to that, are we anticipating the possibility of that coming up very soon
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Not real soon, but today certainly I would anticipate, Judge.
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For the course information, we anticipate presenting four witnesses.
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officer chris bagley he's now with spanish fork police department he was with utah valley
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university police department he'll be the first witness the second witness will be agent
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david hull and those exhibits seven eight nine we anticipate coming in through him
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third witness will be agent brian davis again with the state of utah a case agent who's here
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yeah these guys are all from this agency right here guys state bureau investigation okay get
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familiar with this agency this is the lead agency that's running this thing it's not the fbi it's
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not the atf this is the state bureau investigation their detectives are called special agents but
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they're not federal they're state um they're the ones running this thing okay uh that's why there's
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two the two agents that are there for sbi are more than likely the they're both the case agents on it
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like they're the ones that writing up the affidavits doing the interviews etc presently
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And lastly, Sergeant Jennifer Fowl-Moina, also of the Utah Department of Public Safety.
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And we do anticipate admitting between 40 and 50 exhibits.
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If we anticipate taking a break around 1030, do you anticipate any potential exhibits for publication being requested prior to 1030?
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I do, Judge. I do. I think the first several exhibits should be published.
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All right. Well, let's do this. I want our preliminary hearing to move smoothly and with the least amount of delays as possible.
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So let's take a brief break to allow the placement of that monitor.
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a brief task to make sure it's working, and then we can be seamless in moving forward.
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One quick question, Judge, for counsel's benefit.
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Are the monitors at the tables going to be turned on?
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The monitors are, and that's why I wanted to give that instruction early on
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Because if the camera is doing a wide-sweep picture of the courtroom,
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Obviously, the decorum order anticipates not focusing in to the point that it's focused on your monitors.
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But I ask all the parties to be mindful, especially as it relates to the sensitive material that may be published or may not.
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But please, just take a look at that and be mindful of that.
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So I believe it's important that all parties see what is before the court.
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you can say okay i see what the court's saying i have ejection or not okay so um they're going to
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take a break here or whatever okay so what is happening right now let's go back
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september 10th we hear a shot ring out charlie kirk is tragically killed right i'm not going
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to get into all the conspiracy theories i'm going to give you guys the official narrative so you
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guys understand what's happening here because they're not going to go into conspiracy theories
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they're going to talk about the official narrative so for the purposes of me breaking this down so
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you guys understand the facts i'm going to go off the official narrative basically this is what the
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government is alleging or in this case the state okay case of the state case i explained to you
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guys before the sbi is running it to uh special agents with the sbi probably from their major
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crimes unit or some other type of um sophisticated unit is running the investigation they're the ones
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that are responsible presenting all the evidence writing the affidavits etc okay teller Robinson
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was arrested a few days after the alleged shooting. And what ended up happening was
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they found a rifle. Okay. They found the rifle on the top of the building
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with his DNA on it. Excuse me. No, no, I'm sorry. They found the rifle in the woods. So basically
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they got footage, right, of Tyler Robinson running off of the top of a building. I'm
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going to show you guys that real quick let me show you how this jog some of your guys memories
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about what's going on here and again we're going off the official narrative here because that's
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what is pertinent to what we're talking about uh here it is hold on make it big for you guys
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And as he comes here, the camera's going to zoom in.
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Okay, like a long-type object with something draped over it, a towel.
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okay and he hangs off the side of the building drops down and runs right and you can see that
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he has something stiff on his arm right and then he kind of disappears so
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and then before the shooting and again i'm refreshing you guys's memory on the facts
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the case here of the official narrative um before the shooting you guys remember this infamous
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footage we also have a suspect they're walking in the so here he is walking right and if you can see
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the person is walking with a limp there and it is believed to be because that person has a rifle
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in the pants and they are walking very difficult because of that object that has got now here's
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the famous surveillance footage of him going up stairs right now the important thing to realize
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guys right is um i know there's a lot of theories out there whatever but again i'm going off the
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official narrative what the police and the government is claiming is this he had a mauser
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rifle he had it broken in two different parts one side he was holding on this side and then the
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other side he was holding on the other side so in other words the stock and the barrel were
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separated okay the the firearm was disassembled he gets upstairs okay now that you guys are now
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i'm jogging your guys memory right so basically he had it like this one side of his body had the
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rifle one side of his body had like the stock portion of the rifle and then the other side of
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his body had like the long barrel so he had the gun in two pieces that's why he was walking simple
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like this okay once he gets upstairs he lays down a towel that he had his backpack
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pulls the rifle from his clothing and he assembles it with a screwdriver
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okay he already had the scope zeroed in or whatever it may be takes the shot then we see
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him running off the roof here's the problem he left the screwdriver there okay so he leaves
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a screwdriver there runs off the roof goes into the woods when he gets to the woods he realizes
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he left a screwdriver on top of the building so he can't disassemble the gun that's why he left
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the gun in the forest again i'm going off the official narrative i don't want a bunch of
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conspiracy morons in here dude okay i'm telling you guys the official narrative for the purposes
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of this preliminary hearing okay this is not the theory episode we could do this another time
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anyway so he has to leave the gun there that's when the police find it and that's why he was at
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a like a dairy queen or whatever like later on that night because he was trying to figure out
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what he was going to do because he was about two to three hours away from uh where where where the
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where the shooting happened where the for he was like two to three hours away from the university
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so um that's a general gist of the official narrative okay now what is the preliminary
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hearing okay um oh my god what do we got low iq people in the chat bro i told you guys already
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dude like yo shut up like do not come in here and talk to me about the conspiracy theory we're not
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here to talk about the conspiracy theories we're watching the preliminary hearing based off the
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official narrative please shut up dude please shut the hell up holy crap man i get it i understand
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30 out six yeah like there's no way fair i've heard the alternative theories but for the purposes
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of this coverage okay i'm giving you guys the official narrative so you understand
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what they're going to be talking about okay please stop being low iq okay now
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obviously a couple of days he uh he like confesses to some friends he turns himself in
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they find some discord chat with his you know lover who i guess is of questionable gender we
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don't know we're on tiktok so i'll keep it nice and clean right and there's some shady stuff there
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however that's not that that's all going to come on their preliminary hearing but that's the
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evidence against him in general so they have his dna they have the gun they have the dna on the
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screwdriver they have a somewhat confession from his family okay uh i don't know if they have phone
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evidence they're probably going to present all of this right so why are we here now so
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a preliminary hearing guys is a hearing where you establish probable cause
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now i know what you guys say wait myron that doesn't make sense didn't they arrest him because
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they already had the probable cause? Yes. Now, what they're doing now is they're formalizing
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that probable cause with a preliminary hearing. Now, I'm going to be very honest with you guys.
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The fact that they're running a preliminary hearing almost a year later, remember, Charlie
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was killed September 10th, 2025. We're in July of 2026, 10 months to do a preliminary hearing.
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Unheard of. Unheard of. But here's the thing. The state is extremely...
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i'll just be honest they're very slow and incompetent okay the federal system bro you
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you arrest them out you got two weeks to indict them like well what are we doing here
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other conversation um so they're doing a preliminary hearing now if i have to speculate
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i'm assuming it was a defense saying we need more time because obviously you got every agency under
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their under the sun helping out you got the fbi you got the atf you have an enormous amount of
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you know, evidence, voluminous terabytes of data.
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the the reason why the defense is doing this is because they want to see what's going to come out
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during trial okay so the state is going to have to be strategic here where they're going to want
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to share enough evidence to make their case solid but they also don't want to share too much so that
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the defense can prepare for trial better okay and keep in mind guys this preliminary hearing
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the burden is on the state, not on Tyler and his defense. As a defendant, you have no
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responsibility to present the case. Your job is to defend against the case, okay? Your job is to
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create reasonable doubt. That's all the defense has to do, create reasonable doubt, distill the
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water a little bit, make people think, ah, maybe it wasn't him. Now, I do think also, if I'm just
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going to put on my you know thinking cap here all of these different conspiracy theories that have
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been out right that people have given different alternative narratives this is going to help the
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defense obviously and they're you best believe they're definitely watching like all the different
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people giving their theories whatever and they're going to use that right to create reasonable doubt
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in this case and i predict this is another reason why the government is going to go have to go the
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well, the state, the state's going to have to go a bit harder than they usually would.
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Dude, five days for a preliminary hearing is insane.
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You're talking to a guy who's testified hundreds of times at preliminary hearings.
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Any lawyer or law enforcement officer in here will tell you that.
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So we're here to establish probable cause, guys.
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five days to establish probable cause and for the prosecution it's going to be a delicate balance of
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establishing enough probable cause to be taken seriously right and kind of hit the defense
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hard enough but at the same time you don't want to knock them out and give all your best information
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because then they can prepare properly for trial so they're going to have to
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be convincing but not give all their cards up does that make sense guys because we still got a trial
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I don't even know if this case has been indicted yet
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so that's why there's a no actually you know what
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I know that hasn't gone to a grand jury because they're doing a preliminary hearing
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if this case went to a grand jury they wouldn't be doing
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that's where we are it looks like they're still doing a recess
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give me ones if that don't make sense for you guys
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best channel by the way to cover this smart
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gentlemen smart ladies and gentlemen in the house
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but for the purpose of this preliminary hearing
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because that's what they're going to be talking about
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uh wrestlers viking says sorry off topic yo maren asked you this the other day but didn't
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mention specific details my younger brother is being reckless drinks too much hasn't gained
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status no state crypto nothing he cheats on his girl that has been very loyal to him i mean he's
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a loser bro what do you want me to do like you the only thing you can do bro is you have to be
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successful yourself viking and then you got to wait for him to come in and say okay yo how do
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you do it he's got to get his hand burned on the stove brand he's got to get his hand burned on the
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stove men are very hard-headed so um he's not going to change more than likely you can have
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that talk with him but if he doesn't listen then you just got to be the example and when he messes
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up and he's uh receptive to the information then you got him so i appreciate you dude you're hot
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you're always high iq content we all have to listen uh uh we all have content to listen to
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Can I get a mod to send these guys to the Shadow Realm?
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I see that you're in the OSS, so I'll give you a thing.
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I know we got a lot of, we got some haters probably in the chat on TikTok.
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um let me uh let me jump in here in this chat okay let me see who else is here um
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all right koju go ahead do me a favor and uh type in chat real quick so i can find you
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oh one chest you can mount them up all right one chest mount up all the oss guys in there bro
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please take care of that for me because i can't look at all these chats at the same time
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okay let's go uh what do we got here uh status awa good morning myron uh my mom recommended
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and I am considered to take Andrew Tate's real-world course.
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Yeah, bro, your brother is going to be a moron.
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It's going to take him getting burned for him to wake up, dude.
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So you just be ready when that crash inevitably happens
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and he seems like he's very hard-headed and stubborn.
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I'm going to make a brief report on discovery updates,
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and then just inform the court that the state has provided copies of all exhibits for today's proceedings to the defense in advance of this hearing.
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My report of the last hearing is the latest report.
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As of June 18th, we had provided approximately 100% of the material in our possession.
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over the last week we have received additional materials from sbi due to preparation for this
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hearing those materials have not yet been provided but they will he said sbi guys sbi state bureau
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investigation that's the state's equivalent of the fbi will be as soon as this hearing is complete
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thank you defense i require the benefit of the record no your honor thank you miss nester and
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in case the mic didn't pick that up she declined all right turning to the state you may call your
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first witness all right here we go it's time chat the other state calls officer chris bagley
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i think this is one of the campus cops officer bagley if you'd like to come forward
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looks like he's being brought into the courtroom
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oh yeah um i forgot to tell you guys this the witnesses cannot sit in the courtroom so when i
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had to testify, they made me wait outside when I was an agent. So they can't, they can't hear
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each other's testimony. So they're bringing him in. All right, Officer Begley, if you wouldn't
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mind coming forward uh past electrum and being sworn in yeah they're gonna swear him in
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you just only swear that the testimony you shall give in the case now pending before the court
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will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god
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all right officer bagley if you wouldn't mind having a seat at the light at the witness table
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and after you're situated to your left is a bottle of water and if you wouldn't mind
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bringing the microphone toward you to ensure that it picks up your guys i can't tell you
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how many times i sat in that chair testifying dude with a full courtroom oh man voice
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can you hear that i can thank you mr grunander your witness thank you your honor good morning
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sir. Good morning. Will you please state your name for the record and spell your last name?
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Christopher Bagley, last name spelling B-A-G-L-U-Y. And how are you employed? I'm employed at the
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Spanish Fork Police Department as a police officer. As a police officer. What is your position or your
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rank there? Just a senior officer. Senior officer, okay. How long have you been with the Spanish Fork
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Police Department? About five months. Five months. How long have you been a police officer? 26 years.
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Will you briefly describe, for the court's benefit, your training, what you did to become a police officer?
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They always ask what's your professional background, give us your experience, et cetera, your rank.
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They're kind of – they're showing the expertise of the witness.
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Now, keep in mind, this is a state witness, so this is what's called direct examination.
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They're going to ask him questions about what went down,
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and then the defense is going to come in and do cross-examination where they try to trip him up.
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I did the Utah Post Academy, which is about 600 hours of training for basic things to become a police officer,
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report writing, arrest control, stuff to that effect.
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And look, guys, for all the conspiracy theorists, guys, in here, no problem, bro.
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You guys can go ahead and, again, I love people that want to ask questions.
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I'm just saying for the purposes of this, you know, episode, this stream,
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I'm sticking to the official narrative because that's what they're talking about.
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It's not going to do good if I start talking about Egyptian planes in here, dude.
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It's just it's not going to make sense because this is not going to be really brought up
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so that's why i'm keeping it to the official narrative so you guys understand what's going
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on here like i said before we can entertain the conspiracy theories after but for the purpose of
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this preliminary hearing making sense for you guys i'm trying to keep it official narrative only
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so don't confuse you guys academy all the credits that you get up with hours and then
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physical fitness stuff to that effect and then graduating from that to earn the certificate
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was there also testing involved there was at the academy yes okay um were you employed in september
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of 2025? I was. And where were you employed then? Utah Valley Police Department. And how long did
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you work for the Utah Valley University Police Department? Five years. Five years, okay.
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And do you recall what your position or your rank was there? Senior officer there. Senior officer,
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okay. Describe, if you would, just your general duties as a police officer at Utah Valley
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university basically campus police chat campus police which blows being campus cop blows there
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at utah valley university we patrol the campus if you want to chill you don't want to do anything
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great job but if you want to actually like you know get your feet wet and make some cases happen
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terrible walk around we patrol we would do investigations if there was crimes to that effect
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we'd make sure that students or staff if they needed something we'd be there for them so
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basic police kind of like a school resource officer community oriented policing okay was
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this a full-time position it was okay um did you work in law enforcement prior to uvu i did and
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where did you work i worked at utah valley or sorry utah county sheriff's office for 13 years
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before that i worked with springville city police department for six years and also with the salt
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lake county sheriff's office for a year oh bro's been everywhere what were your smash that like
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one for me guys on YouTube you guys are watching on YouTube positions with those departments varies
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I did canine I did SWAT I did motors I senior officer FTO officer detectives okay while you
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were at Utah Valley University did you have access to the video surveillance system on campus yes I
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did um and how so i was a it was at our desktop where our police station is uh we have desks and
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on our desktops we'd have access to it there or we'd go into dispatch and they'd have okay i think
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i know why they're making him the first witness but i'm gonna let it play a little bit more and
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we'll discuss the wall full of camera systems that we could look at how familiar did you become with
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that system uh very familiar uh can you describe how you became very familiar um like i said it
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It was one of our daily routines that we'd go in there.
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If we were looking for somebody or tracking something back,
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We could trace somebody to track somebody through campus.
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where the buildings were, and be able to click a little bit
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Did you become familiar with the campus at Utah Valley University when you were working there?
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We'd make sure that we knew all the ins and outs, the back doors.
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We'd make sure we knew where every classroom was, where every entrance and exit was.
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And when you're patrolling the same campus over and over, like, dude, you know it like the back of your hand, you know?
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Neighborhoods, we patrol around campus, and then we also have off-site campuses that we drive to and make sure that they're secure also.
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Okay, you mentioned that you patrol the neighborhoods?
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What about the neighborhood to the north and east of campus?
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What was your purpose for patrolling those neighborhoods as an officer for UVU?
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One, it was right next to UVU, so we patrolled it.
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Sometimes people would run up in that area or be walking up that way.
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Also, with Orem Police Department, we'd go back up them quite a bit for other calls and allow what would be in the area.
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So Utah Valley University is located in what city?
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How familiar did you become with the buildings on campus?
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You mentioned the entrances and exits to the buildings?
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Okay, so based off the question that this prosecutor is asking, it's very clear that this guy more than likely probably has the best knowledge of the video surveillance system, the landscape of the campus, and he probably was on scene.
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So prosecutors a lot of times when they're getting their witnesses for prelims or whatever, they want to get witnesses that are really good at one thing or very knowledgeable about something that's extremely pertinent to the case.
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So in this case, obviously, we saw the surveillance footage, right?
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we understand it's a college campus so they're bringing in the guy that's the most knowledgeable
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this guy's a senior police officer he's worked for many different agencies i saw someone write hey
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why do you work for so many departments so guys when you work for the state a lot of the times
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you can easily just transfer from police department to police department probably pay
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or you know disgruntled or whatever it may be so um but it's not uncommon for uh police officers
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to leave departments to go to other ones for better opportunities structures yes um same answer
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for that yes okay um and anytime i give commentary and stop it guys i'll just speed it back up so we
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catch up to where we were before i got y'all ninjas man make sure i like the video you guys
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are gonna get the best breakdown if you guys are watching on tiktok smash the the hard button you
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guys are watching on youtube smash the like button and you guys came to the best channel by far to
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break this thing down you got a former federal agent breaking this down with y'all ninjas so
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smash the like video like button are you familiar with the courtyard or the outdoor amphitheater
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amphitheater on campus i am and generally speaking where is that located on campus it's
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more of the central it's an outdoor area centered by a bunch of buildings on the around it so it's
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in the center of campus pretty much okay can you describe um what it looks like this courtyard this
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amphitheater it's kind of like an amphitheater that's where charlie was shot guys so you got
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some grass a couple steps that go up you've got some cement on top with some bushes and flowers
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you've got places where people can sit and eat they come out and study and relax on the grass
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and there's a waterfall with a little pond that comes down into a stream.
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Are you familiar with the surroundings, the buildings around the amphitheater?
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In relationship to this amphitheater, this courtyard,
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Is it part of the courtyard or is it just off of the courtyard?
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It's kind of the courtyard, like bus up right against the courtyard,
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The Hall of Flags is kind of like a bridge between two buildings that all the flags throughout the world are represented in there are some chairs where people sit down and relax with windows so you can see through all the way to the Utah Lake.
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Okay. What are those two buildings that are connected by this Hall of Flags?
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The Fugle Building over to the Science Building area.
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Okay. So you mentioned the Fugle Building. Where is the Fugle Building located in relationship to this courtyard?
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The building? Okay. What about the Woodbury Business Building? Where is that in relationship to the courtyard?
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It's kind of southeast and it runs up right against the courtyard also.
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okay and in relationship to the fugal building where's that sorenson or excuse me that so he's
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making sure what he's doing what the prosecutor is doing here guys is he's establishing credibility
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of this police officer of the witness that he's aware of all the most pertinent locations that
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are involved in this murder in this murder you guys notice every single one of these places he's
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naming are extremely pertinent and important uh during the course of this investigation so that's
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why they brought him senior officer could testify knows the campus well understands the surveillance
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footage so you're able to uh you know kill multiple birds with one stone with bringing
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this guy in that's why he's the witness that business building the witness representing the
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university more than likely so that's why he's asking all these questions all of these different
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areas he's naming are going to be very important for the course uh for the trial in in the future
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well it's going to be very important for the preliminary hearing excuse me the trial doesn't
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start until the end of this year guys this is right directly east of the feudal okay um what
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about the sorenson center where is that located with respect to this courtyard the sorenson center
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is going to be kind of like a northeast uh of the courtyard okay does it again run up against
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this courtyard yes it does okay and where is it in relationship to the business building
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woodbury business building is just directly south of the sorenson directly south okay someone said
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it looks like two idiots are agreeing with each other um no idiot uh it's because the prosecution
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okay is direct examining his witness so he's gonna ask a lot of leading questions like that
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because it's his witness come on bro like uh-oh retard alert man why do we got some slow people
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in chat man um the low c center are you familiar with that building i am where is it located on
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campus uh directly east of the courtyard theater area okay does it run up to the courtyard the
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center no not really okay so i'm right up against it so the source of building is kind of like right
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between the closer okay in relationship to the sorenson building what direction is the low c
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building? East. East, okay. Are you familiar with the LDS Institute building on campus?
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Yes, I am. Where is that located? That is going to be located north of the Loci
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building and just kind of like northeast of the courtyard. Okay. And is there a
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parking structure next to this Institute building? Yeah, there's there is. And where
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is that? It's going to be, so you mentioned that Institute building is
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going to be north of the Loci Center. There is a parking structure that has
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several levels of parking. It's going to be directly west of the Institute
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building and then they also have a parking structure not parking structure
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parking lot to the north of that across the road okay with respect to that
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parking structure can you describe for the court how one would enter this
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parking structure driving and even walking how do you enter and exit that
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structure so on the north end of the parking structure is campus drive you
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can drive in and exit on the level one so that's a ground level that's where
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you'd enter if you're driving in or exiting back out on campus then goes up
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to level two and on level two exit it's what's called heat plant road in between
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the institute building and the garage is a little road and there's an exit right
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there they can drive out you can also if you're parking there you could walk out
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right there that exit only where I was talking about on that south east side
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you can walk out there or on the north end of that garage there are some stairs
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that go up all the levels and it goes down to the bottom level and across the
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street through a tunnel to the LDS Institute building and then when you pop
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up on level two you can walk over to the Institute building okay can you
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describe how long of a walk it would take from that parking structure to get
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to the courtyard on campus approximately a couple of minutes because when you go
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to that far southeast exit you can walk directly almost to the courtyard you can also walk along
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the south end of the ldsn's to building up porcelain okay officer i'm going to turn your
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attention to state's exhibit number one okay here we go first piece of evidence that they're gonna
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present uh in the preliminary hearing uh guys again smash the like button if you're watching
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on youtube uh smash that follow button on tiktok if you guys don't follow me i do true crime stuff
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like this all the time i don't just make fun of women's okay we're the most diversified channel
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by far we cover everything true crime politics wars conflicts we do it all should come up on
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to be honest with you you know talking about women all day gets boring so i'd rather do stuff like
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this let me know when you shout out to castle club clan you can see that i can see it just for
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stuff let's go ahead and not publish it until it's admitted into evidence so we're going to
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take it off the monitors but for the witness uh he should be able to see the exhibit
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that's fine so thanks for sharing the live stream guys let's get as many people in here as we can
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on tiktok man the table monitors witness but not the main monitor thank you all right mr grunetter
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thank you thank you judge do you see that plaintiff's exhibit number one officer i do
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This is an area of the buildings plus the courtyard in the middle of all the grassy area.
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So this is an area of the campus at Utah Valley University.
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Are you familiar then with what's depicted in this photograph?
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Does it fairly and accurately portray this area of campus?
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Can you tell the court what direction the camera is facing when this photograph was taken?
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It's kind of facing north and a little to the east.
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okay does it depict a number of the buildings that we've talked about today yes it does
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for example um the hall of flags does it show the hall of flags yes it does the walkway of it
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of the hall of flags um what about the sorenson center does it show that yes it does uh the
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woodbury business building yes it does the fugal building yes and what about the losi center can
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you see that from this photograph yes is this photograph a fair and accurate depiction of this
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area of UVU campus on September 10th, 2025. Yes. You're on the state offers
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states exhibit one. It is a little bit tricky because that microphone. Sorry
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about that. Your Honor we would object to an ability to authenticate there's not
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been a foundation laid that this officer took this photo can verify when it was
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taken or by whom it was taken so we would object. Mr. Grunhander. Bruh. Oh
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Would you like us to argue now or approach the bench?
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Well, as it relates to this, I'll hear argument.
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Judge, first of all, it's very clear, well-established law that the person who took the photograph is not required to be present to lay the foundation for it.
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What's required for foundation is that the witness has knowledge of what's depicted in the photograph and can testify to it.
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It's accuracy, and that's exactly what this officer has done.
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We laid an ample amount of foundation about this area of campus.
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he's confirmed that yeah the defense is not messing around chat the defense isn't messing
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around the fact that she came in with that objection right away there there there uh
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there's a reason why they requested this preliminary hearing and they didn't waive it
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it depicts this area of campus that was previously described he confirmed the buildings that he can
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see there he also confirmed that it was this is not a trial chat this is a preliminary hearing
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to establish probable cause that's it accurate depiction of his onset yeah tyler robinson is
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balding you guys notice that he has way less hair bro must be stressed september 10th 2025
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thank you any further argument ms nesser we did file a um standing objection at the very beginning
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of the hearing i would just refer to our standing objection as well um i know this is not a there's
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no written testimony in this but just out of an abundance of caution i want to um also refer to
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our standing objection thank you translation let me just throw it and see if it sticks let's see
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what happens doesn't hurt to object and try right that's good all right having considered the
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arguments i find i'm going to overrule the objection and admit exhibit one
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and this was worth a shot it was worth a shot this has first-hand knowledge of the location
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as well as the building locations that foundation has been laid he also stated it was a fair and
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accurate representation of what's being depicted here and for those reasons the defense objection
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is overruled. States Exhibit 1 is admitted into evidence and may be published
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So the state would move to publish that to the courtroom?
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Officer Bagley, are you able to see the monitor that's
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here in the court that's pointed towards the gallery?
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From where you're seated, are you comfortable in describing where the courtyard is
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on that photograph on that exhibit yes and for the record where is that located so all the grass
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that looks like a triangle uh the amphitheater look that is going to be the courtyard amphitheater
00:51:56.800
area uh it's got the tent in it the white tent that's at the bottom on the far left of the picture
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that would be the courtyard area yeah thanks for sharing the live guys that's surrounded by
00:52:05.780
buildings more of the grass area i'm going to approach the phone well i'm just going to when
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you look at this this exhibit to the left of the photograph um there's a walkway there what is that
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walkway so the red brick walkway that's going north to the top of the picture on
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the far left is going to be the Hall of Flags the outside top of it okay on the
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bottom of this photograph there's a white roofed building it's the largest
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building at least as far as what's depicted on this exhibit what building
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is that that would be the Fugle building okay and just to the right of that so
00:52:35.780
that would be to the east of the Fugle building what building is that the other
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red brick pathway area that is the Woodbury business building okay and if I
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were to walk north so left on this photograph with respect to that red
00:52:48.320
brick walkway area there's another building sort of triangular in shape the
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the rooftop what building is that with that white rooftop that would be the
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Sorenson building that's the Sorenson building and what about the low-sea
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building you've described that where's that located on this photograph if you
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go to that triangle white roof if you go directly to the right so the right side
00:53:04.340
of the picture that is going to be the low-sea building it's got several levels
00:53:07.460
is it to the right and up a little bit as well okay and that would be east on
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this photograph it's got the gravel rooftop gravel rooftop okay um i referred you to the
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lds institute building are you able to see that in this photograph yes you are and where is that
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located that's going to just be directly north of the low sea building it's going to be that other
00:53:25.680
white roof building on the far top of the picture okay thank you officer we can take that down your
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honor as far as the publication officer bagley i'm going to take you back to the date of september 10
00:53:38.080
2025 okay so they've established that he has an expertise on the campus he knows where all the
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buildings are he's aware and competent of uh where different pieces of evidence were uh found laid
00:53:49.820
that foundation now he's going to start asking about the events of the shooting do you recall
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that day generally i do uh were you working that day yes i was at uvu i was yes okay um do you
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remember what time your shift started approximately yes it probably started about 11 o'clock in the
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morning okay did you receive a specific assignment shortly after coming on to duty yes i did and
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what was that assignment we it was to secure the top of the hall of flags on the south end
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so we had people that were gathering on top of that that were looking down on top of the tent
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so we wanted to secure that area so i was put up on top of the hall of flags on the south end okay
00:54:24.980
my apologies your honor can we have exhibit one published again go ahead and republish stage
00:54:29.460
exhibit one guys smash that light button for me man if you guys especially you guys that are
00:54:34.660
watching on youtube smash that light bun thank you you mentioned that you were securing the
00:54:39.820
south end of the walkway on top of the hall of flags yes and so where do we find that in this
00:54:43.020
exhibit officer so if you can see the tent the white tent there's that rooftop where the red
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brick is i was on top of that there's some actually looks like yellow crime scene tape
00:54:50.540
that was some of our barrier that we put up so people wouldn't go above that and walk so i was
00:54:53.940
sitting right by those flower plots plants that were by the people on the south end so is the
00:54:57.880
south end on the bottom of this photograph yes where that walkway kind of begins from the bottom
00:55:00.880
Yes. And you've referred to a tent. Is that the white object we see inside the courtyard?
00:55:06.240
Yeah, that's where a white object with the tent. Okay, thank you. So you were securing that area?
00:55:14.160
Did you have the opportunity that morning, you mentioned you checked on about 11 o'clock,
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that morning and later to walk around campus that day?
00:55:21.400
Yes. Did you walk along the Hall of Flags that day?
00:55:25.080
Yes. Did you visit the courtyard that day as well?
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Officer, I'm going to turn your attention to States Exhibit
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Your Honor, if we could maybe not have it on the lectern screen,
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we're getting reports that the documents shown on the lectern screen are being
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So maybe if we could just not show that one until it's admitted.
00:56:02.100
I've got copies of these for myself that I can refer to as I'm asking questions.
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Well, I'll go ahead and grant the request by Ms. Nestor.
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And if at any point, Mr. Gernander, you do need to use a monitor.
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revisit that and obviously Ms. Nestor you can renew your objection to need speed but
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for now the monitors turn off. Let's go ahead and proceed. Thank you. Officer do
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you see State's exhibit number two on your monitor? Yes I do. And do you recognize
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that? I do. And what is that? This is a picture of the from the east side looking
00:56:42.180
west of the campus. Okay. Are you familiar with what's depicted in this
00:56:46.440
photograph? Yes I am. Okay and does it show for example the Loci Center that
00:56:51.300
we've talked about? Yes it does. Does it depict the Woodbury business building
00:56:55.740
that we've talked about? Yes. What about the Fugle Building? Yes. Does it show the Sorensen
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Center? Yes. And also the Hall of Flags? Yes. In this particular exhibit, can you also see the
00:57:04.440
courtyard? I can. A partial of it. A partial of it? Okay. Does it fairly and accurately depict
00:57:10.240
this area of campus of UVU on September 10th, 2025? Yes. Okay. Your Honor of State offers
00:57:15.440
State's Exhibit No. 2. Your Honor, we renew our standing objection. We also argue that a
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foundation hasn't been laid in terms of the time this was taken or who took it. Hey, she might as
00:57:24.800
well try maybe she might as well try baby it is you know um and at what point in time this was
00:57:31.100
um created in house i don't think he has any personal knowledge of that we'd object
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same arguments judge he has testified that he's familiar with it he has personal familiarity with
00:57:38.240
it he's testified that it's fair and accurate um as of the day of september 10th 2025 and that's
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what was asked of him all right i will go ahead and overrule the objection by defense
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hey it's worth a shot right uh noting that the witness has played uh well he's expressed uh
00:57:52.560
This is a fair and accurate representation of what it purports to be and he's familiar with it. He was there on the day
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On September 10th, and because that foundation has been laid state's exhibit two is admitted and may be published
00:58:03.920
Thank you judge state moves to publish exhibit two all right
00:58:07.720
Officer, I'm gonna direct your attention to this exhibit on the monitor facing the gallery of the court today
00:58:14.540
Can you describe there's a large building in the middle of that photograph slightly above the middle
00:58:20.740
You're looking at the rooftop of the Loci building.
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It's got two different grays, like a lighter gray and a darker gray.
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You mentioned two different grades, or did you say graze?
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Now, you described that you could see the courtyard,
00:58:36.220
but it wasn't easily visible in this photograph.
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Where is the courtyard located on the state's exhibit number two?
00:58:40.740
So you've got the white roof that's going to be in the middle,
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just to the top of the building where the Loci is.
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And it's just below that you can see some grass,
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and that's where the courtyard is, just to the left of that white roof.
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I'm going to ask if the witness could actually come down from the stand
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and point out where the courtyard is located in this exhibit for the court's benefit.
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All right, do we have a second microphone so it picks up his voice?
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Officer, you may step down, approach the monitor,
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and I would ask that you speak into the microphone when responding to a question.
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So, officer, for our benefit, would you describe again where the Lossie Center is in this photograph?
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The Lossie Center is going to be this one with the gray roofs. It's got two different colors of gray.
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I'm blind. I can't see those two different colors from here.
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Can you describe where the court... It looks like we went blank.
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Can you point to where the courtyard is located on that exhibit?
00:59:40.780
The courtyard is going to be here where this grass is in this area right here.
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Fugle Building is going to be this building right here.
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and the woodbury business building then woodbury is going to be this one right here with this
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red brick and the sorenson center sorenson center is going to be this white roof one that's right
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here okay now on this exhibit can you see the lds institute building and the parking structure
00:59:59.340
ninjas i got the map for you guys right here this is it this is the losi center uh where'd it go
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this is it right here and this is the one that i showed you guys on the surveillance footage by
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the way so this is it right here is what it looks like just so you guys have an idea this is where
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i'm assuming this is where the shot came from more than likely because this looks exactly um
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yeah yeah is where the shot came from talked about no not really you got the back side of
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the institute building which is right here and i'll see if i get you guys a better image
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structures over there okay mr grenander let me stop you just for the benefit of the record
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because the record is picking up the audio when you're pointing it to and i know it may be a
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little bit laborious to do this but as you're identifying indicate the general location on it
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the left side right side middle uh upper lower just so the record knows to some degree where
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you're pointing in that way because the video isn't being captured so if you
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would do that it just creates a more complete record thank you understood
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that's fair thank you judge so again let's point to the courtyard and if
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you'll describe as best you can where that is located on the photograph on
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this photograph the courtyard is going to be this grass area that's gonna be to
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the towards the top of the pitcher the baseball field is behind it it's closer
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to the surrounded buildings there's some grass in there that would be the
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courtyard area okay we've talked about the Hall of Flags and the walkway above
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that hall. Where is that located on this photograph? The hall flag is going to be right by the courtyard
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just to the west side. There's a red brick towards the top of the picture. There's a red brick pathway
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that goes from the Fugle Building, which is on the left of the picture, towards the right of the picture, which is the Science Building area.
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Okay, and then the Sorensen Center, is that the building in the middle
01:01:30.140
with the large white roof? Yeah, it's going to be kind of towards the upper part
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of the picture, middle of it. It's going to be a white roof. That will be the Sorensen Center.
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Just to the north and east of the courtyard? Yes, north and east. Okay, and then finally,
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If you would describe the low-sea building the location of that on this exhibit
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The low-sea building could be pretty much in the middle on the right side
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So the middle to the right I was gonna have two different colors of gray a darker gray and the lighter gray
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There's a red pathway and that will be the low-sea center, okay?
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You mentioned officers right here. There were different stories on the low-sea right here
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How many stories to the low-sea building? I'm sorry there's four four stories
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Okay, you mentioned that you were familiar with the rooftop. Do you know how to gain access to the rooftop of the low-sea building?
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Yes, there's actually an outside stairway right here that comes up.
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It's going to be just to the south of Losi building.
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There's a red pathway right directly in the middle of the picture.
01:02:16.640
Off to the south of that on the left side of the picture is an outdoor staircase and stairway.
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And how would someone access the roof from that stairway?
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They came up, they put them right here on this pathway that goes between the Losi Center
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and down towards the computer science building.
01:02:32.440
There's actually a little handrail, like a little guardrail, probably about a couple feet high
01:02:42.220
There's kind of like a natural barrier with the guardrail.
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It's gravel roof, so it's not paved like everything else.
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Officer Bagley, I'm now going to refer you to your attention to State's Exhibit No. 3.
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That's going to come up on your monitor as well.
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This is a drone picture of the campus, more of the courtyard looking eastward.
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I've asked you about several buildings on campus.
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I'm going to ask you about those same buildings, whether they're depicted in this exhibit, okay?
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Fugle building is going to be to the right of the picture.
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It's going to be a white roof building off to the right, directly south of the courtyard.
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Woodbury is going to be another red path that's going to be just to the east of the Fugle Building.
01:04:17.620
Sorensen Center is going to be on the left of the picture.
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It's going to have a white roof, different levels, and that would be the Sorensen Center.
01:04:29.020
The Losi Center, where is that located in relationship to the Sorensen Center that you've described?
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of the Sorensen Center, it's going to be just directly east of the Sorensen Center towards the top of the picture.
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You can see the two different colors of grave, the gravel that's on the roof.
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Okay. And can you see the courtyard in this photograph?
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Is this picture a fair and accurate depiction of this area, Utah Valley University's campus, on September 10, 2025?
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We also object, again, that this individual can't identify when the...
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Sorry, guys, that's her mic just being super loud.
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...picture was made or how it was made or by whom.
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And just for the record, I would also point the court to State v. Purcell, which is a Supreme Court case here in the state of Utah, 1985,
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which essentially stands for the proposition that if a competent witness with personal knowledge of the facts represented in a photograph
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can testify that that photograph accurately represents those facts, the exhibit's admissible.
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He's also spoke about the date being September 10th, 2025.
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The showing that's required here is essentially a prima facie showing.
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We're not required to show proof beyond a reasonable doubt, for example, that it was accurate that day or even a preponderance of the evidence.
01:06:13.020
I'm just taking a brief glance at the case you cited.
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I can give the citation if your honor would like.
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the court finds that the witness is familiar with the scene he testified that it is a fair
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and accurate representation of what state's exhibit three purports to be and the court finds
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a necessary foundation has been laid and overrules the objection states exhibit three
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may be admitted, is admitted, and may be published.
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Officer, if you would come down into the well of the court,
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I'm going to ask you a few questions about this.
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Can you point out where the Hall of Flags is located and describe that for the record?
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The Hall of Flags is going to be down here on the bottom of the picture.
01:07:56.100
It's going to have a red brick pathway with some flowers along the top of it.
01:07:59.100
You mentioned that you were securing an area of that?
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I was down here by the end of the flower pots, which is down here on the south side towards the Fugle building on the far right of the picture.
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of the picture okay um in relationship to where you were stationed where is the uh hey guys smash
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that like button we got 584 lights we got 1500 you guys in here man let's get to 1000 or i'm
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gonna get off youtube smash the like button i'm just gonna get off youtube bro google building
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then the fugal building is just to the right of me so it would be on the south end of me okay
01:08:35.460
and so it's on the right side of the photograph there far right side of the photograph what about
01:08:39.380
the business building? The business building is just going to be in the middle of the picture
01:08:44.120
on the far right. It's going to have some red brick pathways. It's going to be multi-level
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and that will be the Woodbury building. Okay. The Sorensen Center, where is that located
01:08:53.500
on the photograph? Sorensen Center is going to be middle to far left of the picture. It's
01:08:58.040
going to have a white roof on top of it, multi-level. Okay. And the Losey Center, where is that
01:09:02.700
located? Losey Center is going to be towards the top of the picture, kind of off-centered
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it a little bit but it's gonna have the four or five floors that are the four floors that are
01:09:13.480
sitting right there okay um can you describe those stories what we're looking someone said
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it's about time on but on tiktok bro i was banned off tiktok for like six years bro literally banned
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i didn't control a tiktok account since 2020 dude just got back on here like a month ago
01:09:30.260
literally just got on a month ago it's been 30 days where do you find one two three four and
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possibly five. So this is ground level where the courtyard is so this as you go over in towards
01:09:42.280
the low sea building inside there's an elevator that'd be ground one level one. Level two would
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be the second one where these red ATVs are sitting on the grass right there in the middle of the
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picture. If you go from that that would be the third level and your fourth level which is the
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actual top level of the building is that very top one with the windows that you can see.
01:10:02.580
okay is there an atrium on the top of that there is an atrium it's actually it's got a little
01:10:08.720
sphere on the top of it it looks like a little square right on top of the low sea building that
01:10:13.120
would be an atrium now you mentioned two shades of gray on the rooftop of the low sea building
01:10:17.640
yes can you see that on this exhibit i can so where the atrium is is a lighter gray gravel
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and on the west side um because i'm looking east on the west side there's two uh ventilations for
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the Loci building, two vents on top of that, it's in the darker gray.
01:10:35.860
Okay. You mentioned you're familiar with the rooftop of the Loci Center,
01:10:40.260
correct? Yes. When someone is standing on the Loci Center,
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can they see down into the courtyard? Yes, they can. And where is the
01:10:47.620
courtyard located? It's going to be in the center of the picture with the grass
01:10:54.660
west of the Loci Center then? Yes, it would be directly west of the Loci Center.
01:10:59.120
Okay. Now, in a couple of the other exhibits, we saw a tent that was down, set up in the courtyard.
01:11:06.120
Can you see that tent set up in the courtyard in this photograph?
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It would be where I explained where the hall of flags is.
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It's directly underneath the hall of flags, like just on the grass right there.
01:11:18.040
Okay. Can someone, is there a clear line of sight between the tent and the top of the LOSI Center, the rooftop?
01:11:30.340
The Sorenson Building that's right here, this white roof that's going to be,
01:11:34.160
this kind of obstructs a little bit of the view of the courtyard.
01:11:37.480
So where would you have to be standing or perhaps lying down on the Losey Center
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On the far south side of the Losey Building, you could have a line of sight towards the courtyard.
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Well, I'll refer you to the exhibit that's to your left and behind you.
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do you see that I do and it's marked a state's exhibit 35 with a yellow
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sticker is that correct yes I can see that on top left of the photo well for
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the record if we can publish that on the witnesses screen thank you mr.
01:13:17.000
Grudenander I was just going to mention that we shouldn't display it until it's
01:13:39.520
This is an aerial view of the campus and the northeast area,
01:13:43.520
just north of the campus neighborhoods of Utah Valley University in Orem.
01:13:48.520
Okay. And how can you personally tell that this is a photograph of the campus and the neighborhood to the northeast of campus?
01:14:01.840
I can tell because I recognize all the buildings, the roads that are around it, the streets, the roundabouts, the neighborhood to the north or towards the top of the building or picture also.
01:14:12.320
Now, I've asked you about several buildings and landmarks on campus.
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Are you able to see the courtyard on this exhibit?
01:14:23.320
And just for the record, can you describe where this is located on the exhibit?
01:14:28.320
So right in the center towards the bottom, there's a white triangle roof.
01:14:33.320
That's white. That would be the Sorenson Building.
01:14:35.320
It's the patch of grass that's just directly south of towards the bottom of that on the picture.
01:14:41.320
So it's kind of centered, but more towards the bottom, right in the middle.
01:14:46.820
On this exhibit, are you able to see the Fugle Building?
01:14:50.920
And in relationship to this courtyard, where is that located?
01:14:53.980
That's going to be south of the courtyard with the white roof.
01:15:00.700
Woodbury Business Building is going to be to the east, and it's going to have a red brick path top.
01:15:15.540
And where is that located in relationship to the courtyard again?
01:15:18.600
I'm going to pull up where this Hall of Flags is because they keep mentioning it.
01:15:27.160
And the Losey Center. Can you see the Losey Center?
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It's going to be kind of northeast of the courtyard.
01:15:35.380
The two patches of gray that's almost in the center of the picture,
01:15:43.780
I've asked you previously about the LDS Institute building.
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And where is that located in relationship to the LOSI Center?
01:15:54.160
It's got a white roof, and it's almost directly in the center of the photo.
01:15:58.460
And we've talked about a parking structure that's nearby the Institute building.
01:16:03.840
Yes, it's just to the west or left side of the picture of the Institute building.
01:16:29.600
but at all there's a scholarship to finance for criminal justice
01:16:39.560
Yeah, because you had a vantage point, okay, I see why, why they're using that, why they're
01:17:04.440
and accurate depiction of Utah Valley University's campus and the surrounding neighborhood to the
01:17:11.100
north and east on September 10th, 2025? Yes. State offers State's Exhibit 35. Your Honor, we need a
01:17:17.900
standing objection and object on the grounds that there's no indication on this photograph of when
01:17:21.220
it was taken in terms of relation to the actual incident at issue here. Thank you, Ms. Nester.
01:17:26.820
Mr. Gernetto. Same response, Judge, but I would just add one more case for the court's benefit.
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This is a Utah Court of Appeals case from 2016.
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And the significance of this case, Your Honor, at issue there was a photograph of the defendant there
01:17:45.980
who was smoking methamphetamine, allegedly, in his bathroom.
01:17:48.920
The witness that was testifying laying the foundation at trial was not present when the photograph was taken.
01:17:54.920
Could not tell the date on which it was taken, but he had been in the bathroom before,
01:17:58.280
was familiar with the defendant's bathroom, and familiar with the defendant.
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He testified to that personal knowledge, and the court found that was sufficient foundation.
01:18:03.660
So that case, in addition to the other case, the Purcell case, and my previous arguments,
01:18:11.900
Yeah, she's going to object to everything, guys.
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I couldn't tell what type of defense attorney she is.
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I mean, look, she's trying to defend her client.
01:18:18.700
Given the testimony of the witness who's testified he's familiar with this location,
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he went in detail describing the various neighborhoods and location.
01:18:24.780
He mentioned the roundabout and identified the buildings in State's Exhibit 35.
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and it was noted that it is a fair and accurate representation of this campus as of September 10th, 2025.
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The court is going to overrule the objection, and State's Exhibit 35 is admitted into evidence and may be published.
01:18:42.120
Thank you, Judge. The state moves to publish it, and if granted, may I approach the exhibit?
01:18:58.560
Officer, I've asked you about a number of the buildings located on campus.
01:19:01.560
I'm just going to ask you a couple of questions about those and to help orient the court to
01:19:04.740
what the judge is looking at and then ask you about some of the streets in the neighborhood,
01:19:09.800
For the court's benefit, can you point out where the LDS Institute building is?
01:19:13.640
And I'm going to approach the witness again if you could describe where it's out on that
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That is this white roof right here is the Institute building.
01:19:27.760
that in basically the center of the exhibit? That's almost exactly in the
01:19:30.340
center of the exhibit. Okay and where is the Loci Center located on that? If you
01:19:34.540
were to go down towards the bottom of the photo there's two different grades of
01:19:36.400
gravel on this roof this would be the Loci building right here. So below the
01:19:39.580
Institute building and to the right slightly. Can you point out for the
01:19:42.540
court's benefit where the courtyard is? The courtyard is going to be to the west or
01:19:46.080
left side of the picture. There's some grass in between two buildings. I have a
01:19:48.760
white roofs. There would be a grass area right there with some steps. That is
01:19:52.520
going to be the courtyard area and that's going to be down towards the center or
01:19:54.280
bottom of the photo. So that's to the left and down? Yes. Okay you mentioned
01:19:57.760
Where's the parking structure next to the institute building?
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The institute building is right here in the center with the white roof.
01:20:02.440
The parking structure is going to be just to the left of the institute or west side.
01:20:05.880
There's a road in between it called the heat plant road, which is the road that goes between those two.
01:20:09.020
And can you point out, for the court's benefit, how one would enter that or exit that parking structure by way of vehicle or walking?
01:20:15.620
By entering, you can enter an exit right here on the north side of the parking structure.
01:20:21.680
And that's where we saw him running towards, guys, when you ran away.
01:20:25.160
And I guess someone could walk in there as well.
01:20:26.980
Yes, if they were to park into this LDS Institute parking lot over here on the north side of that,
01:20:33.220
there's a tunnel that goes underneath the road that still comes out into the parking structure itself.
01:20:39.720
And then they can exit out here on the second level onto Heat Plant Road,
01:20:44.220
which is that road between the LDS Institute building and the parking structure is the heat plant.
01:20:49.060
They can exit there and go back towards Campus Drive.
01:20:53.660
So you could walk out either up here on the northeast side of the parking structure
01:20:58.420
and cross over to the LDS Institute, or you can come out here to the southeast side,
01:21:03.540
and you can exit there and walk down to the courtyard
01:21:05.740
or behind the LDS Institute building towards the Lossie Center.
01:21:15.000
Campus Drive starts right up here towards the top left of the picture.
01:21:19.840
It's the curved road that comes all the way down in front of the Institute building and the parking structure.
01:21:25.100
And it goes all the way around campus, comes back down to the bottom of the picture where the roundabout is, and that would be Campus Drive.
01:21:32.900
Are you familiar with where 800 South is in Orem?
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850 South is going to be towards the right of the photo, top right of it.
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There's going to be a street that goes east to west.
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It's going to be the road that goes east to west, and in the middle of that horseshoe, it'll be 850.
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And where's that street in relationship to 850 South?
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That would be on the far right side of the horseshoe,
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and it's going to be the right side of that horseshoe.
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That's going to be to the left side of the horseshoe.
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And, guys, Erica Kirk is there, and I saw Tatum there too.
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So I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't either.
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And when I hit 1,000 likes in the next five minutes, I'm going to get off YouTube.
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925 south is going to be on the bottom of the horseshoe that connects those other two west.
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Okay, so just in summary, will you describe the horseshoe and what streets amount make up that horseshoe?
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So the horseshoe comes up off of 800 south, and directly south of that, you'll have 850 south, which is going to be running east to west.
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On the left side is 725 West of the Horseshoe, and it comes down into 925 South,
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which wraps back around to 600 West on the far right side of the Horseshoe, on the right side of the picture.
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Okay, I'm going to take you back to September 10th, 2025.
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Would you like me to take this exhibit down, Judge?
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Are you referring to it in your line of questioning right now?
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So you were securing the Hall of Flags walkway, correct?
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y'all niggas got a few minutes 120 likes to go on youtube if you guys want to stay on youtube
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unless i'm going to force you guys to kick yes on the south end yes who's don jr donald trump
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jr bro when they say don jr that means donald trump's son don jr someone in the kick chat
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kick chat as i'm not kick chat someone in the tiktok chat asked that oh my god
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yo yo the tiktok brain is real bro that just goes to prove like what i've always said about
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tiktok tiktok is dominated by progressives bro tiktok is absolutely dominated by progressives
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it's insane dude what was happening that morning that day on campus at uvu i i came in to do a
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shift for a special event that where we had a guest speaker come in and was gonna talk to the
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students and people around the neighborhood. Do you know who the guest speaker was? I do. And who was that? It was Charlie Kirk. Did you see Mr. Kirk that day? I did. When did you first see him? When he arrived on campus just behind the west side of the Hall of Flags I saw him pull up. And can someone access the courtyard in that through that area? Yes they can. How so? Where he pulled up underneath the Hall of Flags is a opening to where
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You could drive a car underneath, so there's access right there.
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You could walk or drive underneath the Hall of Flags.
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On that day, I observed Charlie going back, doing some meet and greet with some people, getting some foes taken.
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He then came underneath the Hall of Flags and went to his tent.
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and he was there answering questions and talking to individuals that would ask him questions.
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The tent you're referring to, is that the tent that we see when it was set up in the courtyard?
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Fast forward to about 12.20 or so, so a little bit after noon, the noon hour.
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and I happened to kind of glance over the edge of the railing about that time.
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I could see the right side of Charlie's shoulder, so not his whole body,
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because he was underneath the tent, so I could only see probably the right side of his body.
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He was answering a question, the kid asked him a question, and then I heard a shot fired.
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So I saw him go to the left because I could no longer see the right side of his body.
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So he went further underneath the tent to the north side of the tent, so left.
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Some moron says you idolize Kirk. Actually, no, me and him disagreed on quite a bit.
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But I had the humanity to, you know, feel compassion for a man that was a father, a husband, very influential to a lot of people.
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I'm not a moron like you and wish death upon someone just because I might disagree with them politically.
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Can you describe the reaction of others that were there?
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uh yeah so then um everybody started getting up and starting to run uh and more of a chaos kind
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of situation before you continue can you describe a little bit so you mentioned mr kirk was i got a
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good question here i'll answer this question um for you top j marklevin he says i'm sorry if you
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answered this already but why did the state take the case was it better that that uh was it better
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that the fbi took the case um no because uh states normally take murder cases
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if there's no infection of if there's like no effect of interstate commerce a lot of the times
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the state takes murder cases especially pre um premeditated murders like this state normally
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takes them answering questions talking to individuals yes were there others present
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yes um any idea about approximately how many how would you describe it in your terms in my terms
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i'd say when i was up there looking down i'd say there's several thousand people because you had
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on the grass i was jam-packed in the amphitheater sitting on the grass you had people standing on
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the back up along the cement you had people that were on the second level the sorenson and over by
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the woodbury building there's another level there where a lot of people were standing and watching
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so it was it was pretty packed several thousand people and let me be clear even if someone that
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i didn't didn't agree with like let's say hassan biker or dean withers or one of these other like
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progressives kyle kalinsky like if something happened to them i would also say rest in peace
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by the way fyi even my political opponents i don't wish any harm on them like it's called
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being a human being see the problem is that this issue with a lot of you guys that say oh
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why do you say r.i.p for charlie kirk you don't understand violence okay you probably never shot
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a gun in your life probably never been in a fight in your life so for you you don't understand the
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gravity and the seriousness of violence and death i do and i don't wish it upon my worst enemy
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because i i know what it's like you ever put a gun to somebody's head saying if you yo put your
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hands up you ever you know been in a situation where you almost pull the trigger probably not
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so please shut up please shut up i don't want to hear from any of you fucking keyboard warriors
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oh well why would you say r.i.p to charlie kirk he was a bigot shut the hell up shut the hell up
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i'll extend the same courtesy to anyone regardless of their political
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affiliation all right it's always the people that have never done anything
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that have the most to say when it comes to you know something bad happened to someone physically
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insane dude insane you mentioned so you mentioned you heard something what did you hear again
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i heard a gunshot okay and can you describe the you described mr kirk's reaction
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was that simultaneous to hearing the the gunshot yes it was when he fell to the left yes did you
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see the reaction from the crowd yes what was that everybody it's the tiktok morons guys that are
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like losing their minds again tiktok is dominated by libs so of course they're going to say some
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bs about charlie they all said a lot of people were screaming standing up and starting to run
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in all different directions away from the center of the tent okay you're a police officer helping
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to secure the area correct yes what did you do um at that moment i recognized it as gunfire i uh i
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left my post which was right down the south end of the hall of flags i went i proceeded to between
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right where the fugal and the hall flags meet there's some outside stairs that i was starting
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to run down as i was trying to get down to the bottom of the stairs people are running up people
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were laying down on the steps i'm trying to jump over people to get to the bottom of the stairs so
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i can help uh stop an individual that's probably shooting um what happened next um by the time i
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got to the bottom of the stairs we i was informed on the radio that we had a shooter in custody
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So I thought at that moment, I was like, oh, that was kind of fast.
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Obviously, it was close range probably because we had an individual in custody.
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Another officer came on and said we had an individual in custody.
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That was the old man, if I'm not mistaken, that they first grabbed up.
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So I decided to, since the threat is gone, now I can assess for anybody that's injured
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and start looking for any medical needs that's needed at that moment.
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as I canvassed the area I was looking for anybody that was injured I saw a kid
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on the ground that was on the about the second or third tier of the in the grass
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next to a wheelchair and he was almost convulsing I thought he'd maybe been
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shot talked to the dad as I was running over there he said that he was just
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having a seizure that he was fine he was not injured so then at that moment I
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observed that there was no other injuries that I could see at that moment
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okay did was your attention drawn to anything else at that time yeah so
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So after we got some people kind of cleared away a little bit, I thought I needed to start preserving the scene because we had a crime scene.
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And with some of my experience and training to that effect, I decided now we need to contain the scene and help preserve as much evidence as we can.
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So I started pushing people off the grass out of the courtyard area because I knew that's where the crime scene was.
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So as we started pushing those guys out, my chief, Chief Long, that was right next to me.
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I looked down and saw an empty pistol holder that was sitting just on top of the grass.
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And at that moment, things had died down just a split second.
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I realized that the shot I heard was more of a rifle shot and not a pistol shot.
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Just from being around firearms through all my trainings,
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the difference is, you know, a handgun is more of a short bang pop sound.
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uh i'm gonna play the audio for you guys here because like you can hear the echo
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we're gonna go to kick though i don't even want to play this on tiktok or youtube guys come on
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over come on over i'm gonna get i'm getting off youtube i'm getting off tiktok right now
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i'm gonna play the clip for you guys you can hear the gunshot
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so come on over let's go i'm ending uh i'm ending youtube and uh i'm ending youtube and
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tiktok right now coming over to kick kick.com slash myra gains x guys let's go let's go
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ending tiktok ending youtube right now this is the kick the streams are the the link is right
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jump on in okay jump on in and just i'm no i'm ending tiktok because i got i'm tired of censoring
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myself dude i seriously have to censor myself ridiculous whenever i'm on here and it's annoying
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as hell so i'm ending tiktok right now and youtube come on over guys come on over actually
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With a rifle you have more of a longer violent bang or crackle sound.
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It's more of a violent kind of sound that's longer, so that's why I recognized it.
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Okay. Going back to when you heard this gunshot, could you tell where it came from?
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Some direction? Yes, I knew it came to that from the east of me the east of you, okay
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So you see this this realization comes to your mind. What did you do next?
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At that moment when I saw the holster the empty holster
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I turned to my chief and I said that was that was a rifle shot. He said I agree and I looked up at that moment
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Right in the line of sight. I could see the Loci building had a direct line of sight
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So I proceeded to go look at that and see what was going on up there
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Okay. Can you just briefly describe your route to the Lossie Center?
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So from the courtyard, you can go into the Sorenson Center.
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And like I said earlier, there was, on level one, there's some elevators or there's stairs.
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I ran up four flights of stairs, got to the fourth level of the Lossie Building,
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and proceeded to the south of the Lossie Building.
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There's some stairs, which is that breezeway between the Computer Science Building and the Lossie Building.
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there's some stairs that go up to the top of that and so i went to the top of that is that stairway
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that you previously described yes on the outside of the low seat building just okay that it's an
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it's a public stairway yeah we have some breaking news um did you make it to the rooftop i did do
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you know about what time you got there um i probably i got there 12 44. okay all right so here it is
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One of my friends told me that Charlie Kirk was going to be on the campus, like slump over, and then the crowd just pushed back.
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The last 10 years, counting or not counting gang violence.
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And shot from a distance as well with the echo.
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That's what the police officer is referring to.
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When I got on top, I hopped over the guardrail.
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I noticed that there was an object which was sitting right about 10 or 15 feet in from the other side of the guardrail in the gravel.
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And in relationship to where you hopped over the guardrail, what direction was that object?
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That's the court reporter, the furious typing you guys here.
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I'm going to refer the witness on your screen, Officer Bagley, to State's Exhibit 3.1.
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That's a picture of the screwdriver that I saw that day on top of the rooftop of the LOSI building.
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And that's how it appeared on the roof that day?
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Remember, guys, I told you about the screwdriver that he left on top of the building?
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Is that a fair and accurate portrayal of the screwdriver you observed and found that day?
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I think the reason why the prosecution is going so hard is because of all the alternative theories out there, which obviously hurt their case.
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and we renew excuse me we renew our standing objection and object on the grounds that there's
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no foundation latest when the photo was taken or by home thank you that's like what the fourth time
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she's tried this now with the foundation same response judge yeah same response judge my
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previous arguments did you state that this was a fair and accurate representation as of september
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10th i had said that day i'll ask it again all right to the officer officer bagley um you were
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you saw this screwdriver you're describing on september 10th 2025 is that correct yes
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is state's exhibit 3.1 a fair and accurate depiction of that screwdriver that day september
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10th 2025 yes all right state moves to admit i will go ahead and admit state's exhibits 3.1 is
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admitted based off the firsthand knowledge of this uh what this image purports to be and is a fair
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and accurate representation as uh this item on that date of september 10th 2025 so that's the
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second chair prosecutor right there so they got two prosecutors on this case and this he's lead
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Your Honor, before we continue to publish it and ask a few more questions, right now might be a good time to take a break.
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Let's come back at 11 o'clock, and then we'll resume.
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So, basically, the first witness is a police officer that has an intimate knowledge of the campus, knows where all the buildings are.
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As you guys can see, he was there to paint a picture of the layout.
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He was probably the most senior officer that testified the most and understood the campus best.
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So, that's probably why the state picked him as the witness for establishing the campus.
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He also understands the camera system and everything else like that.
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Normally when you get witnesses, you want to get a witness that you can do multiple things at once.
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So that's kind of what went down here, and that's why they picked him.
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I predict the next witness, well, they said the government's witness, I think they said there's four of them, if I'm not mistaken.
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They're going to probably all be law enforcement, more than likely.
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And again, the reason why they're going to be law enforcement is because all you're doing is establishing probable cause.
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Hearsay, guys, is allowed in preliminary hearings, also known as probable cause hearings.
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Let me read some of these super chats real fast.
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One chat says, OSS 90 Day Fellows competition for $50 buy-in for the first few entries, guys.
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DJ says, yo, Myron, love everything you're doing, bro.
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you nick and your bro are the realest ones on here appreciate you keeping it real thank you bro
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uh please mod on tiktok oss 300 members desert joe announce for him to chat so he can uh find him
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please okay yeah desert joe uh say something in the chat so i can find you and i'll give you an
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og uh badge it's crazy that tala rompson is going bald from the stress knowing that he did uh what
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he did was going to have severe consequences yeah repealed 19th for pierce morgan one chess uh mod
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on tiktok ophelia hudson oh yeah well i don't um i got on tiktok but yeah i can mod some people i
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gotta i gotta give a bunch of um oss guys a wrench on uh tiktok it's getting outrageous on tiktok we
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all had a fucking faggots over there so um you know it's all good uh but you know the the reason
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why i'm on tiktok is because it's good for discovery and uh we can you know i don't know
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how i'm going along i'm gonna last but you know it is what it is um snowyango slash modern uh
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morning stream i got you bro uh guys get your chats in by the way right now get your chats in
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right now guys by the way so i can um you know because i don't want to stop the show too much
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while we're uh covering the trial even though you don't you would have wished uh that upon them
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kyle klinski and asan piker would wish that on you and laugh at the video you're a better person
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than them and that's why we're better than the left because even though they're fags we don't
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wish death on them exactly exactly i've always told you guys this that progressives are more
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violent than we are you know we can't we can't um we can't go down to their level okay we're
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better than niggas so um so that's kind of like how i look at it you know i mean
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progressives like think violence is cool because they're faggots so yeah while we wait i got this
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clip here of uh some girl apparently i was drinking and driving while i wait for the uh
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the preliminary hearing to resume this disgusting person this annoying obnoxious i don't even know
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who this bitch is but i already know she's a thot i already know retarded pig should be permanently
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banned off of the platform you are drinking and driving you're reading chat yeah that's crazy bro
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yo these twitch hoes bro literally like get away with everything dude i don't even know
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who is this girl caseytron never heard of her in my life dude never heard of her in my life
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and you're also doing it all on stream you are a worthless garbage you have always been worthless
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garbage but it's just somehow gotten worse over the years and seeing the massive follow-off from
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3 000 subs down to a sub goal of 150 oh yeah that's cooked i mean that's really sad
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it's extremely sad yeah she probably uh stopped being consistent or you know just got lazy or
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something and i don't think you should get banned you should get arrested this is it should be
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against the law she sued pewdiepie for what what are you doing i i hope that she stays permanently
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banned if she does by the way i want to let you know that i will never stop talking about you and
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keeping up with you i will never stop in 20 years i will do it i'll it will come to my mind if i'm
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still alive in 20 years if you're still alive in 20 years it will come to mind and i'll think
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you know what what's she up to nowadays how can i make it worse
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hey respect fuck these bitches man i agree i i've noticed i don't know if you guys have noticed but
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asthma gold has become a lot more red pill on women which i i'm here for it
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he's off with the juice okay we got a jew pillum
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but he's getting good with the women i remember he reacted to one of my clips
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when i was talking about how men and women aren't equal and uh he um and i was like you know i made
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a reaction to it maybe he watched it i don't know i know i know he watches my stuff and i watch his
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of course um but uh yeah ever since then i've just been seeing them like dunking on these
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fucking whores which is great because to be honest with john niggas women deserve less
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i've already talked about this extensively they really are fucking most of these women
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are fucking useless they really are useless dude it's fucking incredible
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my next goal is to jupe pill him i jupe pill tectone
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i'm gonna have to take credit for that one i think i drew a pill tectone bro
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because he wasn't really aware when we had our conversation and i told him look bro here's the
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problem with the jews right if you guys remember that interview that i did with him
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you know i fucking uh went in there i was like hey bro here's the issue with the jews
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and uh i've been looking at on twitter he's like you know bro's waking up man
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so yeah i i'm just so you guys know let me be clear about i like osmogold
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he's shown me love before he's reacted to my college campus debates
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and my uh jew dancing right one of my favorite songs
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i got my seven seven seven thousand dollars i don't give a shit about dead kids
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you know he reacted to that and shit like that so shout out to him bro shout out to him i like
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eyes will go like i said before i'm gonna my goal is i'm going to jupil him okay we're gonna be
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throwing romans and saying fuck israel soon get ready niggas get ready so and honestly at this
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point right i truly do think it's a lot of you guys in chat right now give me a one in the chat
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if it was either me, Nick Fuentes, Sneeko, Zerka, who else?
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Give me a word to show if one of us fucking Jew-pilled you.
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So, and we did that shit before October 7th.
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uh who the fuck is this guy daniel mcadams
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oh here we go you're right kim i here we we got some twitter drama right
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off rip so he says please follow me or send me your content i'd like to invite you to speak at
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our 10th annual ron paul institute dc conference i have kind of spoiled the surprise if there is
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to be a surprise okay shout out to ron paul man you know i i like the thing i love about libertarians
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the most is that they're anti-war okay that's what i like about libertarians the most i don't
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identify as libertarian though because like i don't think like you know women should vote and
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shit so i don't i wouldn't identify as a libertarian because i do think that libertarianism
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leads to a lot of degeneracy if i'm going to be honest like libertarians are basically like
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progressives that just don't want free shit if we're going to be all the way honest
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right it's like ultimate liberty like we don't care you can be a whore you can be a faggot you
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can do whatever you want to do you want to suck some cock out you know outside whatever
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so like libertarians are like you know it's like uh it's like i call it like the atheist political
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party you know what i mean i know some libertarians right now are probably freaking out no dude it's
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not like that it's not like that at all man all right bro have y'all niggas smoke weed and are
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degenerates like basically libertarians look at it like if you're not hurting anybody who cares
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that's how libertarians look at it right you want to be a slut be a slut who cares
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progressives want free shit though progressives want big government and they want free shit that
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is like the main difference between a progressive and a libertarian libertarians want small government
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autonomy um you know freedom that type of shit but they're okay with degeneracy to get it
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so anyway so he's inviting uh but i do like ron paul though i like that like there's a lot of
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libertarians i like by the way don't get it twisted i like ron paul i like thomas massey
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i consider thomas massey a libertarian he's not really a republican right dave smith i like these
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guys okay uh so kim ivers says she was ultra pro covid lockdowns shots of authoritarian by the
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way and pro russia gay and pretty much been the wrong side of every issue except outside oh damn
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Kim coming out with the swinging and in response, you're right, Kim.
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I definitely felt rush again and admitted as much slash apologize for it.
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I support the anti-lockdown protesters who are being excretionated by our media, even though I was for the lockdowns early on.
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And while I advocated for the vaccine, I didn't agree with punishing or denying medical care to those who refuse to get it.
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I'm not anywhere near perfect, but I do my best to admit when I'm wrong and correct the record.
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I don't use that to discredit everything you do.
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She tells Netanyahu, fuck you and shit like that,
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But you literally have a population of 7 million people, of which half are women.
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There is a recovery period we need until November.
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Oh no. I pissed off the shoes. What am I gonna do now? I don't want to lose everything. Someone, please help me.
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Oh, no, I said the truth, and it really pissed off the Jews, and I don't know what to do, I have way too much to lose.
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I know that the Jews can easily destroy my life
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I will get to Jerusalem and make it right on my end
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I'll have my contacts waiting for you in the promised land
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And when you get there, they won't be mean to you
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Just remind them that you're apologizing to the Jews
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Yo, they're fucking losing their minds, bro.
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halftime's over it's back in session before we get started i want to clarify on the record that
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uh pursuant to the utah constitution section one i'm sorry article one section 28
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uh where victims and victims representatives are entitled to be treated with dignity and respect
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that if they choose to leave the courtroom there they can come back whenever they wish they're not
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prohibited to coming back yeah because earlier in the thing you said if you leave the courtroom
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you can't come back but for the victims you know they can come back for obvious reasons i mean i'm
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sure erica kirk is going to step out a few times when some of this evidence is presented solely at
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the break so i just wanted to clarify that uh in case there was any question about that in addition
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I want to talk about the exhibits as it relates to their admission and publication of the exhibit.
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So whenever there is an objection to an exhibit, I would ask that the attorneys are clear specifically what they're objecting to.
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There's basically three levels of objections that could be objected to.
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Second is the publication of the exhibit to the gallery.
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And third is the publication which is electronically captured by the media.
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So, Council, I'll leave it to you in regards to what you object to or what you wish to respond to.
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If no objection to the publication, Media Capture of the Exhibit, is specifically raised, the court will presume there's no objection.
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So being that the monitor was introduced today by the court, I wanted to offer that guidance to the parties in regards to your objections.
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With that, let's go ahead and return to the witnesses.
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I do note for the record that the council is present and all the parties are present, and let's go ahead and proceed.
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We left off Officer Bagley with just having admitted State's Exhibit 3.1.
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I believe the court also granted our motion to publish 3.1.
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So we would ask the court to publish that to the gallery, 3.1.
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All right, we'll go ahead and publish Exhibit 3.1.
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A lot of you guys don't get notified when I go live
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All right, it looks like it's noticing a flicker on my screen here.
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Officer Bagley, so you testified that this is the screwdriver as you saw it on September 10th, 2025, correct?
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This is a critical piece of evidence, guys, because this was a screwdriver that was used to assemble the gun that has Tyler's DNA on it, according to the state.
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And in relationship to the entrance, the stairway, and when you hopped over the rail to get there, where was it located?
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Okay. If I could, Your Honor, bring up State's Exhibit No. 2 that was previously admitted.
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I would like to have Officer Bagley come down from the witness stand and point on that exhibit
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approximately where this screwdriver was located and describe it for the record.
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All right. You may step down. And if you have a microphone for him as well.
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I think there was one up there. Oh, here we go.
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So if you can describe where you saw that screwdriver,
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Yeah, so this is the Losey building right here with light
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Here's the guardrail in the center of the picture
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Just over that, about 10, 15 feet in, about right there.
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Was that present when you found the screwdriver?
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So he might have been the one to find a screwdriver, too.
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Officer, I'm going to direct your attention to your monitor again
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Yes, that's a picture of the top of the Loci building looking west.
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And how do you know that that is, in fact, the top of the Loci Center looking west?
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I can see the landmarks of several buildings, the Fugle buildings on the top left of it.
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You've got on the right is a white roof, which is the Sorenson Building on the right side of the picture.
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This is also the gravel area on top of the Loci building.
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What about the tent that was set up that Mr. Kirk was underneath?
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Officer, is this a fair and accurate depiction of what you observed on September 10, 2025, on top of the Losey Building?
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Your Honor, I think that we renew our standing objection.
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There is an evidence tag here which begs the question that it's not a fair and accurate representation of how he saw it.
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And we also don't have any indication about when this picture was taken or by whom.
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apart from the evidence tag, do you see an evidence
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but otherwise it is a fair and accurate representation.
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As stated by the witness to States Exhibit 3.2,
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Officer Bagley, will you describe what it is that we're looking at here?
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On the top of the photo, you've got the mountain range on the back.
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You also have Utah Lake, which is towards the top of it.
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As you come down towards the center on the top, you've got a pond,
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which is the ponds over at Utah Valley University.
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I've come down from that, from where the water meets that red-bricked part,
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More towards the center is the Hall of Flags, and just below that where you can see the grass and the white tent is where Charlie Kirk was sitting looking west, and we're on top of the Losey building.
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And is this depicting a particular corner of the Losey rooftop?
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Is it the same level where we observed the atrium that's to the north?
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The atrium's up just a little bit higher, so this is the top level of four.
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Level 4. Okay. And what area of the rooftop are we looking at here?
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Southwest side. Okay. Is there a line of sight down into the courtyard?
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In that area? Okay. What else do you observe on this exhibit that's significant to you, officer?
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There's some disturbance in the gravel right where, and around the area where the, in the area where the yellow marker is.
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is there was some disturbance that caught my eye there.
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You can't really see the impression I saw the time of when I was up there on that day.
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I saw a distinct impression in the gravel, and this does not show that.
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Okay, so you could see more with the naked eye?
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there you go so just to give you guys a perspective of what
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the shooter allegedly saw on that day exhibit four on your monitor there
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That was just last, same view, looking west, and I can see the disturbance in the gravel.
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And what tells you that this is the same photograph as the last one, as Exhibit 3.2?
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You can see the hall of flags that's direct almost the top of the photo.
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You can see the tent in the grass area, the direct line of sight with the Sorenson Building,
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and I'm on top of the gravel of the Loci Building southwest side.
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Is there also an LDS temple that's depicted in that photograph?
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There is. It's going to be on the top left of the photo. It's lit up.
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She's the lead senior forensic for the state of Utah.
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And how do you know that she took this photograph?
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All right, let me give you guys, I want to give you guys a visual so you guys know what they're talking about here.
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So this comes from A.I. Telly, a very good channel.
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concealed position to avoid close detection and maximize the chances of escape
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here is the bullet trajectory given this altitude and again you guys can see
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this is it real time okay assassin had but i want you guys to envision what they're talking about
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because it doesn't do it justice because we're sitting here watching them in the courtroom
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they're yapping about this crap it's like you guys don't have a visual so let me go ahead and
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give you guys the visual. Clear, unobstructed line of sight directly to the stage where Charlie Kirk
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was standing and addressing the crowd. The bullet's trajectory descended steeply and accurately
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through open space to strike Kirk in the neck, which strongly suggests the use of a scoped
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firearm design for long-range precision. As soon as the shot was fired, the gunman likely retreated
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to an entrance on the top of the building. Despite security efforts, the shooter disappeared without
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trace, climbing down from the building and blending into nearby campus structures or
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escape routes surrounding the Losey Center. Witnesses reported that panic broke out immediately
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after the shot. The audience scattered, seeking shelter as shouts of get down and run echoed
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across the courtyard. Campus police and Kirk's personal security team moved swiftly to secure
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the area and evacuate Kirk. Here is the detailed timeline of how it happened. It's 12 o'clock
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p.m. September 10, 2025. Event begins. Charlie Kirk began the event, with more than 3,000 people
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gathered to attend. The security detail consisted of six officers along with Kirk's personal
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security team. 12.20 p.m. Lead up to the shooting, Kirk was seated at the debate table, answering
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questions from students. The discussion touched on sensitive topics such as mass shootings and
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gun violence. Kirk remained calm and composed as he responded to a question about mass shooters,
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still holding the microphone while seated. The atmosphere was lively but controlled,
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many sitting close to the stage while others watched from nearby balconies and standing areas.
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12.22 to 12.23 p.m. The assassination. Suddenly, a loud gunshot echoed through the courtyard.
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within minutes immediate response campus police already on the scene quickly secured the area
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kirk's security team rushed him to a nearby hospital all right so you guys have a better
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vision of it but yeah that's that was the that's the line of sight with which he was using a mauser
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okay uh it's it's basically a hunting rifle um you know a shot like that what 200 uh 200 yards
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something like that? Not even, not easy shot to hit with a rifle like that. Not a hard, not a hard
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shot. Um, just renew the objection to hearsay. That's an outstanding objection. Thank you.
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Okay. Do you want to respond to the objection about hearsay? Um, yes, judge. Uh, this is a
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preliminary hearing. You fucking retard. Hearsay doesn't matter. You can, hearsay is absolutely
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admissible in their prelim hearing are we serious this bitch is retarded under rule 1102 hearsay is
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admissible to establish the foundation or for or the authenticity of any
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yo this bitch is doing anything bruh what the fuck bruh hearsay is absolutely utilized
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has absolutely allowed to establish probable cause in a preliminary hearing are you fucking
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serious what the fuck hearsay is not allowed in trials
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that's found in 1102 but it is allowed in preliminary hearings where we're just trying
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to establish probable cause uh sub b sub three um bro listed out the actual statue
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also point out for the court that under rule 1101 which is the applicability of the rules
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in subsection c1 the determination of questions of fact preliminary to admissibility of evidence
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when it's determined under rule 104 which are preliminary questions the court the rules of
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evidence do not apply 104 speaks directly to provide lane foundation for an exhibit so even
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at trial hearsay is admissible to establish the foundation of an exhibit i would also just okay
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i didn't even know i didn't know that hearsay could actually know it can be because if they're
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an expert or something that makes sense but yeah to use hearsay in a fucking preliminary hearing
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is insane point to court in a trial you got a chance but in a prelim hearing come on man
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um to state v griffin this is a 2016 utah supreme court case um the citation is 384 pacific third
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is admissible to establish the foundation of an exhibit, even at
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trial. And we're at a preliminary hearing stage, Judge.
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to hearsay. I note that... Hey, I gotta give her
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at the wall, something's gonna stick, dude.
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constitution which states nothing in this constitution shall preclude the use of reliable
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hearsay evidence as defined by statute or rule in whole or in part at any preliminary examination
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to determine probable cause or at any pretrial proceeding with respect to release of defendant
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if appropriate discoveries allowed as defined by statute or rule for those reasons i'm going to
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overrule the objection and yo nsb thank you so much for the gift of subs bro we're almost at a
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goal uh to get back over 3 000 thank you fn speed for all you brokies in the chat say you're a
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brokey and someone might gift you a sub. All right ninjas. As it relates to reliable hearsay
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in this instance. Thank you. Uh, you may proceed. Officer Bagley, did you ask Ms. Richards if this
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was a fair and accurate depiction of this scene on the low sea building on the night of September
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10th, 2025? Yes. And what did she tell you? She said it was. Okay. You're on the state offers
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a state's exhibit for disaster. Just object to relying on what Ms. Richards told him in terms
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of creating a foundation and refer back to our standing objection.
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For those of you guys that are wondering, TPC is my guy.
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You know, you look at my fucking setup over here.
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You know, like all the shit that I got going here.
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You guys look at all these camera angles, how crispy it is.
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so shout out to him for helping uh really you know make the quality good you know i mean we
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go hard to paint guys try to give you guys the best production quality that we can so shout out
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to tpc the state will submit it right well as i look at state's exhibit four and again i'm just
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looking at it before me i it said it was a fair and accurate representation um there's there's a
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notation i mean the previous exhibits there's a marker exhibit marker and i see two but it also
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appears to be other artifacts on this image that I haven't heard any testimony
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officer Bagley do you see an evidence tag in that exhibit yes I do a number
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two a number two and that's yellow and black yes do you see other evidence
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markers that are red in color yes they are to me they're orange but they're
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triangular shaped okay were those markers the evidence tag too as well as
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the orange or red markers present when you observe that scene that day no okay
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were they present however when Miss Richards took this photograph yes and
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She indicated to you that that is a fair and accurate representation of what she observed that night?
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State would move to admit, as I said before, Judge.
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I'm going to go ahead and overrule the objection, noting that the marker, evidence marker,
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as well as the red or orange markers, I can't tell which color it is, was not present originally.
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And with those included information, State's exhibit for is admitted into evidence and may be published.
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and i would ask for the witness to come down to explain the exhibit all right officer if you'd
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like to step down use the microphone and as previously noted uh describe when you're
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describing something on the image where it is located on the image for the benefit of our
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recording so officer will you describe for the court what it is that you're looking at
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that's what i'm looking at is i'm on top of the lousy building which is where the gravel is on
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towards the bottom center i'm looking west uh towards the tent which is in the upper center
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that you got a white tent you can see the grass down there in the amphitheater you got the hall
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of flags that's more towards the top center and behind that you've got I-15 but what I'm looking
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at is in the disturbance of the gravels where I saw that day okay and what can you describe for
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the record that disturbance to me when I when I got up there and I could see this disturbance of
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gravel to me it looks like a sniper pad a person that has been laid in a prone position and you've
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got markings of elbows knees and feet where somebody was in the line of sight of where
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And if we could, again, take the, if we could publish
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in the darker gray part of it, on the left side,
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of the Charlie Kirk tent that's straight in front of it.
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and finally I would direct the witnesses attention to state's exhibit number five on the monitor
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let me know when that's there it is do you recognize that exhibit I do and what is that
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this is gonna be a picture of the side profile of that last photo we looked at with some red
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orange markers and a number two with also a tape that's there on top of the
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Loci building. What was that tape that you said? There's a measuring tape it looks like.
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Okay are you able to tell which direction the photograph is the photographer
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was facing? Yes. And what direction is that? It's facing south. This is a
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nighttime photograph correct? Yes. Do you know who took this picture? I do. And who
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took the picture? It was most research. The same individual that you spoke about
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before? Yes. Did you ask her whether this is a fair and accurate depiction of what
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she observed that night? Yes. What did she say? She said it was. With respect to what
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you observed that day apart from the evidence tag the yellow tag as well as
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the orange or red markers is this a fair and accurate depiction of what you
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observed yes what's different about what you observed as far as what's on the
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photograph the previous exhibit compared to this you can see more of the length
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of an individual so you can see that more there's two elbows to knee areas
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plus also towards the far right of the photo is also a marker where like
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somebody laid a gun down like a prone position yeah guys so he what he did was he brought like
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a little mat for himself so he could lie on the gravel and take the shot that's what that's what
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was that's why the the gun had the drape over it it was like that towel that he was using
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you're on a pursuant to rule 1102 as well as other authority that's been cited today state
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offers states exhibit five into evidence your honor we renew all the same objections we made
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that has been laid and that the witness has testified that this is a fair and accurate representation
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of the scene, noting the tape as well as the markers
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Before turning to what you did next on that day, taking you back to the daytime of September
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10th, 2025, did you secure the rooftop of the Losey Building that day?
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I put yellow police crime scene tape around the portion so nobody else would disturb that
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And when you say that area, what areas are you talking about?
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I'm talking about the roof where it was the southwest side of the roof where I found the
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disturbed gravel, where it looked like somebody had been prone out in the line of sight.
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of the tent um somewhere there did you secure the area um as far as any of the entrance area
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up onto the rooftop with police tape yeah so then where that natural guardrail is that was
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the other barrier where they were advised not going any further from there other than police
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officers okay um if we could go back to state's exhibit number two
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if we were to zoom in on this uh photograph are you able to see the police tape that you put up
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on the rooftop of the Lossie Center, officer? Yes, you would be able to. Kimberly, if we can zoom in.
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Officer, I'm going to have you come down and describe for the court
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where you put that police tape up to secure that scene, the rooftop area.
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So this is the top of the low C building, you've got your two different grays.
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The southwest is towards the top, center of the picture.
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You can see some yellow tape that spans from over here on the far right side of the picture
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by these black pipes, goes around a silver vent, comes back down around to the corner
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of that silver to keep everybody out of that area where that prone position was at.
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On that photograph, are you able to see where you put the tape up as far as the access way
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So it was right here, actually, this natural barrier where you have to climb over the guardrail.
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So this is the other barrier that I have to set up.
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Do you recall about what time you left that area?
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Before leaving, did you leave the scene with anyone?
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It was a county deputy a female. Did you provide instructions to her? I did and what were those instructions?
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I advised her not to let anybody inside the crime scene. Okay without being a police officer or an investigator. Okay
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Officer upon seeing this disturbance in the gravel you've described what it looked like to you someone lying down in a prone position, correct? Yes. What did you do next?
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So when I got to the top of the Losley building during that day, I noticed the screwdriver, kept going to the edge, found that prone position.
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At that moment, I realized, because it was a direct line of sight, plus the disturbance in the gravel,
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where I could see somebody laid down in a prone position or a sniper position and asked dispatch to get on the vid.
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Then I realized that we probably didn't have our shooter in custody from that moment.
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I asked dispatch to get on the camera system and to see if anybody was on top of the Losley building during the time of the incident.
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So he was the one to call in and say, hey, we might have had a shooter from the roof.
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Because if you guys remember, when the shooting first happened, they arrested some old white dude.
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I was. Dispatch came back and advised me that there was a male individual on top of the roof that was there at the time of the shooting.
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Ah. And that was the footage that I showed you guys earlier.
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We also have new video of what police are looking at right now this hour.
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TMZ has obtained new video of the before and after images of the...
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describe what his movements were they did they stated that he ran to the edge
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dropped down crawled here it is right here for you guys
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got in a prone position um i'm gonna stop you right there you ran to the edge
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what direction and what edge? Running west and southwest of the Loci building
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so then towards the tent where Charlie Kirk was so they could get a line of
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sight and then the individual stood up after the shooting and ran northeast on
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top of the Loci building. Okay you mentioned that this individual on the
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video dropped off off the edge did you did you get what happened what what else
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was described to you? Then well at that moment so I knew that there was
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Can we just have a continuing objection to all of the
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just better get ready for the firing squad, bro.
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utah has in fact brought back the firing squad that's insane dude and judging my response to
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that was i'm not actually offering this for the truth of the matter asserted at this point
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um simply for the effect on the hearer so i'm not offering what's been described in the video
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as substantive evidence all right with that clarification any thoughts
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i'll just stand on the objection i don't i don't think i mean he's clearly offering it for the
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truth because he's asking him to describe the route of the individual and it's based on what
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other people told him so if he wants to circle back to it after he's put the video in i mean we
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could do that but right now i still think it's inappropriate here say your honor all right
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anything further mr i'll submit it to the court all right so as the magistrate as this is not to
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a jury it's to myself as a magistrate i am not accepting that statement for the truth of the
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matter asserted simply for uh sorry guys fucking the uh monitor turned off and that fucks everything
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up sorry chat let me fix this shit sorry ninjas i'll fix this here in a second but yeah anyway
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yeah that's hilarious because um literally um you know she's objecting to like hearsay in a
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you know preliminary hearing which like i told y'all like guys remember it's the defense's job
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to attack everything all they have to do is create doubt that's their job is to create doubt
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You know what I'm saying? That's her job. So, you know, respect for her doing her job.
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You know, she's probably getting all kinds of hate and death threats for even defending this fucking scumbag.
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What has been stated, so I'm specifically making that finding as I'm receiving this evidence and I'm not accepting it for the truth of matter asserted only as represented by Mr.
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Grunander, and with that, the objection is overruled. Mr. Grunander, you may
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proceed. Thank you, Judge. So you mentioned you were provided with information that
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an individual was running north on the Losi rooftop, correct? Yes. What else was
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described to you? At that moment, I actually knew I had responding units
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coming into the scene. I advised other officers that I needed the Losi
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building secured search because I didn't know exactly what way other than he
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ran north. At that moment, I went down to the police department, which is just down
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the stairwell and looked at the video myself and where is the police department located it's in the
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gunther trade building just directly to the south of the low sea building okay so where i describe
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those outside stairs the building to the left of that or south would be the gunther trade building
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okay what's on what level is the police department it's level three level three okay upon arriving
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at the police department what did you do next then i then look at the footage to verify for
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myself exactly what expired on that moment where i could see an individual run to the edge get up
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and then run off and then drop off the northeast side of the building of the
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Loci building. Okay having viewed that what did you do next? At that moment I
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realized I had more more crimes a bigger crime scene that I needed to contain and
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preserve for evidence. At that moment I went and grabbed some more crime scene
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tape and I responded to the northeast side of the building and secured an area
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where I saw impressions of the shoe print inside the grass and also up above
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on that northeast side of the building. I could see on the cement where someone had scuffed there and then dropped down to the shoe imprint and then finished going northeast.
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Okay. I can take the witness back to States Exhibit 2.
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You mentioned seeing an individual drop down. Could you come down and point that area out to the court?
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this is the low sea building again on the top right center of the photo southwest side is where
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the individual was laying down prone in the line of sight came behind the aquarium or atrium atrium
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came behind that on the west side of it came up to the north side of the low sea building on the
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east on this white square piece on the far right of the picture and then he dropped off on the east
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side of the low sea building into the grass down here below so the northeast corner yes
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You mentioned you observed something on the grass?
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I did. I saw a shoe imprint that was embedded pretty deep right there next to where he dropped off.
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And this is all footage that you personally observed on the surveillance video?
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When you got to the scene, describe in as best detail as you can what you saw on the grass then.
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So when I got to the scene, I could see that there was a shoe imprint there.
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When I looked up onto the cement from the roof, I could see some scratching or rub marks from the top of the roof that was not there.
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I then decided to put crime scene tape around the whole area in case there was more evidence
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On that exhibit number two, do you see where you placed the crime scene tape?
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It's going to be on the far right in the center of the picture.
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I came around trees, came up further out of pictures, some more trees.
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I came down all the way down to the back side of the LDS Institute building
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where there's a sidewalk to block everybody out of coming up that way.
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There was two patient police officers that were standing there.
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I advised them not to let anybody inside the crime scene other than law enforcement or investigators.
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You know, obviously, guys, this is to protect evidence, right?
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I remember when I would show up to a crime scene, if shit was disturbed or fucked up, I would get pissed off.
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I would get pissed off if things weren't, like, you know, exactly preserved as much.
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because it makes your job harder as the investigator, you know?
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their job is to preserve as much as they possibly can.
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Tape it up and let the lead investigator take over.
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You've talked about the disturbance in the gravel.
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That was observed on the low sea building. Yes. Did you walk through those that that grab that disturbance in the gravel?
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I did not. Did you otherwise touch it in any way? No
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with respect to the shoe print that you observed on the grass on the
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Lawn area below the low sea building. Did you walk through that? I did not. Did you otherwise disturb that? No
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I went down to the Fugle building and knew that where the incident command center was at,
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so I could relay information that I had found to responding units and people in charge.
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Okay, I think it's going to be defense on cross now.
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This is where Tyler Robbins' lawyer is going to start grilling this guy.
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i'm gonna get my prediction i don't um i don't think there's much that she can grill him for
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because everything here is kind of matter of fact hey give us the layout this is the layout
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what did you see i saw this okay what did you do i cornered it off for investigators
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okay what else did you see this like what what happened with um the video camera footage
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i asked someone i saw him drop off obviously the footage has been shown right so um this guy is
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very like uh matter of fact like he established a lot of like the logistical and um campus scenery
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for for uh for the audience so like i don't know what she's really going to beat him up on but let's
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see maybe ask elson is the clause that she knows about let's see were you aware of whether mr kirk
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had his own security team present there with him yes did you communicate with any of those people
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I saw one individual that was on top of the hall of flags right next to me, yes.
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Yes, and then I saw several down in the crowds and down by him, yes.
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And were you aware of whether that person was armed either?
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Was there any other law enforcement agency besides Mr. Kirk's private security team
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and your six officers, including you, that were covering that event that day?
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In other words, did you have any Provo police or Orem police or anyone that you knew of or federal agencies?
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And you did mention, I think I heard you just a few minutes ago testify,
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you turned over the scene on the roof to a woman who was a deputy sheriff, right?
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And that you turned over the scene where the individual dropped off to, I believe you said, was it Orem police?
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Those people weren't there until after the shooting, right?
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They were part of just a response of everybody in the area?
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Did you receive any type of briefing materials, written materials, prior to the event that talked about who would be covering what or anything like that?
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Like I said, it started getting hectic, so we were trying to get down there to secure the area and push people away from the top of the tent.
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now when this event was over um you prepared a report is that right i did and in the report it
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covers a lot of what you testified to with mr grenander doesn't it yes and i think you said
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you attended what 600 hours of post training it's around 600 hours yes and i'm sure somewhere in
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that training you were taught the importance of your police report yes and how it will be relied
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on years later to recreate events like it's being done right now.
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And so you know it's really important to be as accurate as possible in your
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what she's going to do here. Let's head over to the defense table, please. Thank you so much.
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all right do you see that report in front of you i do and is that the report that you prepared
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or did you prepare this report i didn't i did a supplement on it i didn't prepare the report so
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like because the incident was a big agency assist so obviously it says
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It has all the responding officers to that effect.
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Can we please move to page three or five, maybe?
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Man, there is a firestorm on Twitter right now.
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But there's a firestorm going on right now with this hearing.
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It looks like it was done the next day, either that day or the next day,
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because I wanted to make sure that I had it done,
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May I just step in and just make sure that it's the same one?
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Did you use AI to help you prepare your report?
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When you prepared your report, you referenced when you first heard the shot, don't you?
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And what is the time that you say that you heard the shot?
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Right. And when you wrote that report, you did not state in your report the direction you heard that shot come from, did you?
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And take your time and look at the whole report and see if there's anywhere in there where you ever mentioned that it came from the east or to your right.
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OK, interesting. Let's see what happens here and I'll get my commentary after.
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And you also, I believe, in your report, you also don't state whether or not,
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you don't mention anything about thinking it came from the low C building or anything like that, right?
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Later on when I recognize where the, when I see all the empty holsters, when I, I think I actually said that in there,
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where I see the empty holster that I realized the line of sight.
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So you heard the shot and you only heard one shot, correct?
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And then you came down from the walkway above the tent, right?
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And you came down to really the grassy area that we've all been looking at, the courtyard.
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And there was kind of chaos, people running around.
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And while you were down there, you saw what you said was an empty holster.
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Yeah, as I was clearing people out and making sure that the evidence was preserved,
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about towards the top, after a little bit, I saw an empty holster sitting there.
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And when you say towards the top, can you be specific and tell us where you were?
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So on the south side in the courtyard, there's some tiers of seating where the grass is different levels.
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And it was towards the top, maybe just right before the cement is where everybody's standing.
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So there's different levels towards the top on the grass.
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And when you saw the holster, can you describe to me what it looked like?
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Did you ever tell anyone else to take custody of it?
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at some point um there were drones in the air is that right did you become aware of that yes i was
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made aware of that right do you know who put the drones in the air i'm going to assume state police
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uh sergeant cam nelson with the pro police department right so it wasn't uvu no did you
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So someone would have had to bring one after the shooting onto campus
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you mentioned that as you were coming down into the grassy area from the top above the tent you
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come down the hall of flags you come into the grassy area you mentioned that you heard i guess
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on your radio that they had a suspect in custody yes and so how long do you think between the
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shot being fired did you hear that i was in like i said trying to get yes this woman is the defense
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you guys she's on cross-examination get down the stairs jump over people try not to step on people
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as people were fighting up within 30 seconds maybe all right so they pretty much instantly
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had someone in custody yes and that's why i was quite quite surprised were you aware of where the
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person was taken into custody uh right down the by where charlie kirk was sitting by his tent
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somewhere down there hey thomas this is reese's brother all right so in the courtyard area the
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The person would have been in the courtyard area at the time of the shooting.
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Was that person in or near or around the holster in any way?
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Where the holster was was up on the top level up there,
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and it was when the incident happened, when Charlie got shot,
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within seconds the other officer that was down by him said that he was in custody with a prisoner of the shooter.
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But you didn't, at that time, it was your understanding, the person they took into custody was close by Mr. Kirk.
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But it didn't occur to you that, well, that's not where I heard the shock come from.
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I figured those guys saw something I didn't see.
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They took the person in custody, and I thought that was him.
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i actually i'm this would be a good stopping place because i'm about to start another
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section okay so maybe we could go five minutes early for lunch absolutely all right
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thank you thank you officer we're going to go ahead and break for lunch we'll come back at
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one o'clock i do want to note for the camera operator if you would just be cognizant and
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turn off the microphone during breaks and when we break for recess uh that would be helpful
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i do does either party need the benefit of the record before we break for lunch
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all right we are in recess all right so they'll be back in about one hour
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while we wait let's go ahead and cover some news got you on injus um ukraine got hit really hard
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yesterday okay really hard so let me um let's cover that real quick while we wait came under
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another deadly russian attack massive explosions lit up the sky overnight as ballistic yeah kiev
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got hit really hard uh zelensky was talking about it uh let's see here
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Yeah, Paolo, Zelensky had warned that another big attack was incoming on Sunday night.
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And here we have it, the second attack on a very large scale, targeting mainly the capital Kiev.
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In about four days, last week on Thursday, we saw the deadliest attack on the capital so far this year.
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At least 30 people were killed in a massive drone and missile barrage.
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Guys, get your superchats in. I'll read superchats after this Ukraine part.
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It's slightly smaller in scale. Obviously, they're all terrifying for the Ukrainian people having to live through this. But we're hearing of 68 missiles, 351 drones. The key thing to know there, though, is that while the Ukrainians were able to shoot down 37 missiles, they did not manage to avert any of the ballistic missiles that were fired.
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And Zelenskyy saying openly that was because of an insufficient supply of interceptor missiles.
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So that is going to be a key question going into the NATO summit this week,
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is will allies be able to step up and provide more of those supplies to Ukraine?
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And another thing to note, though, is that this isn't just now on the Russian side
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We're seeing an escalating tip for tack on both sides.
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The Russian Ministry of Defense saying that they shot down or averted some 519 Ukrainian drones
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One of the key targets appears to have been the Leningrad region, home to Russia's second city of St. Petersburg, where the governor is reporting damage to infrastructure around several key oil ports, more rolling power outages also seen in Crimea and Russian-occupied Crimea.
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So, again, tip for tat escalation on both sides. We're seeing a more aggressive posture, I think, from Russia in many ways.
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and over the weekend Putin and Trump spoke on the phone on July 4th and a clear attempt I think
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from Putin to wrestle the narrative back. You've seen more sympathy from Trump towards the Ukrainian
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side recently so we're seeing more of those attempts from Russia and Putin trying to claim
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again that this is a these are terrorist attacks from Ukraine and that Russia is confidently in
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the words of the foreign ministry in Russia advancing on the front line. So the questions
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going into the NATO summit is I think number one air defenses for Ukraine and secondly will this
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be the moment given the successes that we're seeing from yeah the problem with this war guys
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is that both sides have like maximalist demands so this war is not going to end anytime soon
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unfortunately guys it's kind of a black pill but like it's just not going to end anytime soon
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um like russia wants to be able to wants ukraine to recognize the territory that they've taken
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ukraine refuses to do that and they also don't want them to join nato ukraine refuses to do that
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So it's like, you know, it's a very, both parties are making maximalist demands, and they refuse to concede.
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From Ukraine, will it be the moment that the U.S. decides to further tighten the screws on Russia?
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President Trump is set to head to Ankara Monday night.
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He spoke to both the Russian and Ukrainian presidents over the weekend.
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I think because President Zelenskyy will be here in person and he's a powerful and emotionally
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connected figure, you know, with these NATO leaders, he will be pressing the point that
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we do it all i mean just look at what happened overnight
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got through ukraine used to be able to do better than that partly
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russia has got more sophisticated faster jet propelled
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uh where they couldn't penetrate before 350 drones
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uh 18 of them landed as you say 12 people killed in key five in the
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in the key region as well so it is a pressing need a president selensky really wants to be able to
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produce and get license for making patriot missiles defensive missiles inside of ukraine
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it's not clear that it's going to get that but there is a defense investment fund uh forum
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meeting here tomorrow where there's expected to be a financial significant billions and billions
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tens of billion dollars financial commitment to ukraine to to support them this year next year
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in the war against russia so that's what president zielinski will be looking for
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president trump is going to be coming in here looking for something else he's going to be
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looking to make sure that his nato european partners that has been leaning on for a long time
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to up their defense spending uh five percent of gdp is what is required by agreement last year of the
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the Hague Declaration from the Hague Leaders Summit of 5% GDP by 2035. So President Trump's
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going to be looking to see who's doing that, who isn't doing it. And I think it's going to be
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very interesting to see how he deals with countries like Spain that aren't stepping up and haven't so
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far made a commitment to getting to that level of spending over the next nine years. And I think
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there's anxiety here. When President Trump walks into a NATO summit these days, there's worry. It
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It was only a few months ago that he wanted to take Annex Greenland, which is part of Denmark, which is a NATO allies country.
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And then on top of that, President Trump's been frustrated with the way his NATO allies have not, in his opinion,
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stepped up sufficiently during Epic Fury, the U.S.-Iran war.
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President Zelensky will be very focused on what he needs.
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president trump undoubtedly very clear and determined to get what he wants out of it as
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well i think uh this summit takes on a huge let me raise some super chats real quick
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so they don't pile up too too much um gg channel says uh i'm on tiktok as well the black gotcha
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gamer can i get a wrench yeah when i start tiktok back up maybe i'll start up tiktok right now
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maybe i'll maybe i'll start up tiktok uh again here in a second the only thing that sucks bro
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is i gotta like watch my language on tiktok it's so fucking gay bro uh crazy house nico's trying to
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go at nick the whole time during the debate with you and riyadh thank you for not turning on nick
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i don't know if he was trying to go at nick he didn't even mention him one time but uh tl says
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hey what's up myron any chance of you and the valhalla guy doing a club he's on right now
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with uh one of the youtube gun experts talking about the trial no expert believes charlie was
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shot by 30 out six the damage would have been gruesome yeah i see here that he's live let's
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see here let's take a look there's probably something in in the process right now oh i bet
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there is yeah some too huge propaganda piece i don't know who this guy is but you're saying
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he's a gun expert bro looks like mr clean but the asian version like what is what um
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i don't know man like i said i don't mind um i think i might be too controversial for him though
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so i need some advice i call four lenders one deal fell through due to dealership and
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bank uh colliding issues uh one only offers an efa loan with no extra principal payments
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and the other two want 20 to 45 percent down with 18 to 23 percent interest what
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with 18 to 23 percent interest that's can't be right bro what would you do my situation seems
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i can't get nothing to single digits in rates i'm trying to get the semi truck to increase my
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income with 22k in savings uh bro your credit score must suck if you're getting interest rate
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Martin, will Syria girl be on FedReacts or FNF?
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Got me dancing at the office, but had to close the door.
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All they got to do is establish probable cause.
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BB says, why did they break that attorney was cooking?
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When they're getting into something that might take longer,
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I think their angle is trying to prove Robinson's presence
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point the cart hit the cart point the court point the cart hit the cart point the court
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don't know aj's i don't know some stuff love you buddy don't know what the hell you're talking
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about there dear jen uh all right we have a second microphone so entering you can enter
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and exit right here on the on the north side of the of the parking structure there's an entrance
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an exit right here that's for the level one for a vehicle for vehicles and i guess someone could
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walk in there as well uh yes if they were to park into this lds institute parking lot over here on
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the north side of that there's a tunnel that goes underneath the road that still comes out into the
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parking structure itself um and then they can exit out here on the second level onto heat plant road
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let's go back to ukraine russia bro huge significance specifically for zelensky i mean
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I mean, obviously, we hear time and time again how much Russia continues to really try to put
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pressure on the Ukrainians. For President Trump, some of the words that he's used
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in the sort of recent past has been, you know, we should somehow find an end to this war. We
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should get Russia to knock it off. Obviously, Zelensky at this point is really looking for
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America's resolve, not just words here. We know that Trump spoke on the phone to Vladimir Putin
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and Zelensky, as I mentioned, over the weekend in honor of July 4th. What does Trump need to do at
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this point to really change things just in terms of ensuring that there is some kind of momentum
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when it comes to a peace deal here? Look, I think that, first of all, Russia's attacks,
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in addition to being deadly and devastating for the people and for Ukraine, are also intended
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clearly to be very provocative, the timing there. And with President Trump, it's very difficult to
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know. As we know now, we've been watching him since 2015, 2016. It's very difficult to know
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how he responds to that provocation. He travels to the NATO summit. He clearly has a personal
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fondness for Erdogan. And so that's good for NATO. And he's also in the past had a personal
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fondness for Putin. But having that provocation on the eve of the NATO summit could lead President
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Trump to do what he should do, which is to double down on NATO's demonstration of unity. I mean,
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after all, this is a summit. You know, you could say it's only a summit. So it really is about
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signaling. It's about NATO signaling unity, coherence, and not division. And that provocation
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by Vladimir Putin should be an invitation to President Trump to demonstrate the strength,
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the resilience, and the commitment of the NATO alliance. Whether he will take that invitation
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is very difficult to anticipate. You know, you can imagine a scenario where he pushes hard
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on Zelensky and says, you know, you two have to help to end the war. But let's hope that that's
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not what he does. China is watching. Iran is watching. And this comes at a very difficult
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time for the United States and Europe, where President Trump feels personally affronted
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that the Europeans did not step up immediately to support the U.S. in its war with Iran.
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Yeah. I mean, you mentioned a few key points, not just the fact that President Trump is sort
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of angry at European allies for not stepping up
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when it comes to the war with Iran, but this idea-
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I think our NATO usage has kind of ran out at this point,
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and it's a stupid-ass war, pay all this money.
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I said that he's attending this meeting in the first place
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I mean, obviously he does seem to love strong men,
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his close ties with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
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And it comes at a time, not just in terms of this important bilateral relationship
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but also at a time when the president has repeatedly talked about
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and sort of scaling back America's role in NATO.
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Just talk to us about how all of that changes the dynamics and the calculations within NATO itself.
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Got stupid fucking Russia hawks. That's the problem.
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Retarded fucking Russia hawks that thought, yeah, we could get in a war with these guys.
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man uh what's one our truth uh what some might call a black belt that you reflected on and
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ultimately had to come in terms of yourself uh the brifles a lot women only give a shit if you
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loan for a semi truck that costs 84k a lot of banks won't finance me because i'm a first-time
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commercial buyer so far two banks approved me for those insane rates and down payments seems
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impossible to get this type of loan i'm also 24 yeah that's also gonna fuck you up too because
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you probably don't have um a diverse repertoire of credit lines uh talk to fresh bro talk to fresh
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fresh will know way more than i do on that topic i i am not a car guy whatsoever i think cars are
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that dude none wrong with that don't be the other guy then edgar g fit i watched the video this
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weekend about some wild allegations in the smash community that i hadn't heard about before it
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cover several cases but the most shocking one happens at the 5-11 mark it describes a female
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commentator allegedly had a relationship with a minor while also seeing other partners it's
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honestly hard to believe yeah bro women are whores it's like yeah you're headed i'm back
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from overseas trip i'll have a southern lebanon update soon thanks dude
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a real push to increase their spending to try to increase you know the number one i think barrier
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to europe being stronger within nato is that interoperability that cohesiveness that
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joint defense procurement all sorts of internal mechanisms in addition to just the
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raw spending calculation that will allow all right woman talking no care okay let's go into
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erica kirk break silence ahead of explosive hearing yeah but basically what you guys need to know
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Russia launched a deadly attack on Ukraine yesterday
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Let me know if you guys would be interested in this
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Did a bunch of interviews with Putin back in the day
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okay um if you guys want i can do those on oss and watch them with you guys
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and we'll break them down do it on oss if i do it on youtube i get fucking hit with a copyright
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but yeah news alert because these could be very tense and emotional moments inside a utah courtroom
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this morning for the very first time jason car myron after hours tonight uh i don't think i
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mean not for me bro i'm tired as fuck man guys i haven't slept yet i've been on all night
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time charlie kirk's widow erica and his parents are set to come face to face
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at a preliminary hearing with the man accused of killing him.
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Matt Finn is outside the courthouse in Provo, Utah, with more. Hi, Matt.
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Hi, Dana. This week will mark 10 months since Charlie Kirk was assassinated here in Utah,
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and his alleged assassin, Tyler Robinson, has yet to even enter a plea.
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Robinson's defense team tried multiple strategies to get the possibility of the death sentence off
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the table and delay the beginning of the preliminary hearing that's scheduled to begin
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this morning and last all week now in utah a preliminary hearing is used to determine if
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there's probable cause to move forward with a murder trial late last week uh they got enough
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probable cause bro that's that's not even the question they got more than enough probable
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cause this hearing honestly is just a formality and i think the the real strategy from the defense
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here is um they want to see what the prosecution has that's the real reason but they got more than
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not enough probable cause dude more than enough the defense is just trying to delay the trial
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see what the prosecution has and keep their client from getting a death penalty so we'll see what
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happens though the utah supreme court denied probable cause guys does not have a threshold
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three appeals by robinson's legal team which paved the way for the prelim to begin today
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with the camera in court tyler robinson is charged with aggravated murder in the assassin
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um i think that the process the defense is definitely going to use like all the people
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that like um you know have like alternative theories i think i me just speaking out loud
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here i do think that the defense is going to use that maybe not for the prelim but for the trial
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for sure for sure assassination of charlie kirk in court this week the state has indicated it's
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thank you brother thank you thank you thank you thank you man
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let me see if we pass or did we pass our goal of uh 3 000
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29 38 all right hey for all the brokenness chat say you're a brokie maybe somebody will gift you a
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i'm fucking cooked over here we're still i'm still going for y'all niggas and lover lance twigs
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That Robinson confessed that he assassinated Charlie Kirk,
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who was murdered last September 10th at Utah Valley University.
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Investigators say Tyler Robinson shot Kirk with a rifle from a rooftop
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and then text messages confessed to his roommate lover.
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lance twigs twigs texted why robinson replied why did i do it twig said yeah robinson explained i
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had enough of his hatred some hate cannot be negotiated out if i'm able to grab my rifle
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unseen i will have left no evidence now a lot of people are saying that this is um doctored text
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messages all right what i will say though is that progresses one is dead i'll say that
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um miles bartley thoughts on 30a and florida panhandle have you ever considered investing
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in real estate here um if the deal makes sense then yeah nicklin thank you very much for the
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gift of sub appreciate you man yeah all you broke he's better say you're broke he's somebody
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who will gift you a sub and hook you up hopefully now the prosecution hubba milk the cow subscribe
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for four months thank you bro has indicated it's prepared to forewarn the families of tyler
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robinson and charlie kirk if graphic video or testimony is about to be discussed in court
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and this morning we have a brand new statement hey sammy 626 thank you so much for the five
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...statement from Erica Kirk and Charlie's family.
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every court proceeding serves as a painful reminder of his death
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and the loss that has irrevocably impacted our lives
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The prosecution has indicated the plans to call witnesses,
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including state investigators and Utah Valley University police.
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My own retired FBI supervisory agent, Fox's contributor, also there in Utah.
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Based on what I read here, the prosecution's case is this.
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They've got overwhelming evidence, and they're set to prove it.
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Well, there's a reason why the preliminary hearing took almost a goddamn year to do, bro.
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They had a lot of evidence that they had to turn over during discovery, and the defense needed the time.
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yeah and bill the standard is so low in a preliminary hearing remember you're not trying
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to prove beyond a reasonable doubt you're just trying to show enough of the evidence so that
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the judge can then go ahead and allow the trial to commence and look utah's a peculiar place in that
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in their criminal court system you don't even get arraigned before this so we haven't even gotten a
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plea yet from tyler robinson that may happen this week but may happen afterward at a separate
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arraignment here okay it sounds yeah no indictment no nothing dude i think all they did was file an
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information if i'm not mistaken to me james that this is like a grand jury proceeding
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that usually is done in private and not in public am i right on that definition or
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yeah but this is going to be in public and as part of the pre-trial you know uh maneuverings
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what's going to happen is there are going to be witnesses are going to be called by both the
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prosecution and the defense the defense are going to call three dna and forensics experts from out
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of state and then the prosecution is going to call four state bureau of investigation folks
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that collected the evidence as well as a utah valley university police officer that was there
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when the when the that's the guy that testified uh first or is testifying right now as a matter of
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fact on cross when the firing happened and also they're going to call to the stand which is going
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to be pretty explosive but they're going to do it through something called an 1102 statement
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lance twigs lance twigs is a romantic partner and the roommate of tyler robinson he's being
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allowed to testify through audio visual means and not actually be in the courtroom today okay here
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is erica kirk interesting this is november of 2025 and how public this case has been from the
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beginning there were cameras all over my husband jimbo says messages are fresh on ig appreciate
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you once again myron no problem dude if you can't get a hold of them just book a council with them
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it'll be worth it what do you think about idaho new law death by firing squad i literally talked
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about it um based do you think gas prices will go up since iran war is still not officially over
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yeah it will because we're running out of um uh we're running out of strategic reserves bro
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or sorry excuse me uh yes we're running out uh yeah we're running out of our strategic reserves
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me and nick had a deep conversation on it castle club with the big 45 get it
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he's in the kick chat cameras all over my friends and family
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morning we deserve to have cameras in there this is uh i remember this interview this was november
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17th so two months after her husband was killed why not be transparent there's nothing to hide
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Let everyone see and know how it happened, how it even got to this point.
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This is something that could impact a generation and generations to come.
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James, she's getting her wish in the following way.
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It's going to be as public as our legal system allows, and that is cameras in the courtroom for all of us to watch.
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Yeah, the judge has been very resistant to defense motions to disallow this.
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And look, you know, as Justice Brandy said, you know, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
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And I think it's more about the ideology, the perverse ideology that Tyler Robinson was beholden to comes out.
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And lastly, Bill, there is evidence beyond evidence beyond evidence.
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We've convicted murderers on probably 10 percent of what the state has right now.
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The question is, what does the state choose to show now?
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You know, you don't want to blow your load at the preliminary hearing.
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All you need to do is establish probable cause.
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That's all you need to do is establish probable cause.
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I'll be interested to see how the cross-examinations of witnesses go.
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Okay, so we're going to see a lot now, and it's all going to be there on camera.
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A preliminary hearing that's going to last five days, starting in a few hours.
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Be sure to like and subscribe for all the five.
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Let's see if there's anything else with Erica Kirk here.
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For the record, the court also recognizes the presence of Miss Erica Kirk.
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First, with respect to courtroom protocol, to maintain security and decorum, any individual
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who exits the courtroom during proceedings will not be permitted to re-enter until the
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All counsel are expected to take reasonable measures to safeguard confidential communication.
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Such measures may include the use of screen protections on electronic devices and care
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to avoid the inadvertent capture of privileged or private discussions by recording equipment or by
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those present in the courtroom in addition the microphones at your tables i didn't realize we
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had a bunch of y'all ninjas watching on x bro shout out to all you guys watching on x skeletal
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being thank you for the uh for the five um shout out to all you guys watching on x bro we had a
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we had we had a lot of y'all ninjas on here like a thousand people watching on x right now bro
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They're trying to make it more about live streaming
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Shout out to all you guys that are watching on X
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I opened up the chat for you guys so you guys can yap in there
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i'm acknowledging you ninjas my bad i never look at the fucking twitter chat because twitter's
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filled with faggots dude and um and elon musk is a faggot have been turned off i call him julon
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musk again an attempt to try to minimize but now you guys are going to see all the people on x so
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if you guys are watching on x right now do me a favor type in a chat now everybody's going to see
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you guys in here i see a couple of you ninjas in here what's up guys yeah now we can see the
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ex-ninjas on here it's the possibility of any of the communications being captured for the record
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the court also recognizes the presence of miss erica kirk miss kirk good morning all right let's
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see what else we got here with the trial um let's go to law and crime real quick see what they got
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yeah people are just uh what was this i never heard this girl before in my life
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you know what let's go ahead you guys the conspiracy people will go ahead and go on
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here for you guys because you guys you guys wanted the uh the different theories here we go
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And there is one person responsible for what happened here, and that person is now in custody and will be charged soon and will be held accountable.
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After an over 30-hour manhunt, authorities say they've got the man who shot and killed political activist Charlie Kirk on the campus of Utah Valley University.
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because as the frantic search was ramping up, there has been a lot of chatter and misinformation
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and theories surrounding Charlie Kirk's death. We're taking some time to discuss some of these
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theories that have been spreading quite quickly online and in the media, as well as brand new
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information on the suspect. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law & Crime. I'm Jesse Weber.
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Federal and state authorities in Utah say they have arrested the gunman, the man who allegedly
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took the life of political activist and media personality Charlie Kirk, identifying him during
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a news conference this morning as 22-year-old Tyler Robinson, who actually, by the way,
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lived hours away from Utah Valley University. But authorities say he is the man. They say he
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is the one who brought a bolt-action rifle to the top of a campus building and fired one shot
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at Kirk, who, by the way, was speaking in this debate-style event in front of thousands of
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people. That bullet, and I'm sure you've seen the videos, that bullet hit Kirk in the neck.
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He was rushed to a hospital, but the married father of two young children was pronounced dead
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at just 31 years old. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. We got him. On the evening of September
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11th, a family member of Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted the Washington
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County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that
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he had committed the incident. Robinson, he was taken into custody around 10 p.m. He was booked
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into jail. According to FBI Director Cash Patel, after surveillance images and video of this suspect
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was released to the public, they received thousands of leads. While he said that they're
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going to follow up on all those leads, even though there's an arrest, there are still so
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many theories about what happened here. And you wonder, is it really going to quiet that
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conversation? We're talking misunderstandings. We're talking misinformation. We're talking up
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conspiracy theories, general theories. That is what we want to get into right now.
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because now speaking of conspiracy conspiracy theories um there is a war going on on twitter
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right now guys okay you guys know i don't comment on drama like that um but they've this has been
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nuts i i've this has been going on for days chat literally for days um you guys can see here uh
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candace posted this earlier today three hours ago one more fight charlie i don't fear these demons
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we will win right a lot of uh support and then here's jeremy boring the demon is you canis or
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is in you the demon is tyler romerson or was in him the demon is not charlie's wife the demon is
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not charlie's closest friends the demon is not the organization charlie bled to build and grow
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the demon is not israel who has nothing to do with any of this okay nigga
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or the egyptians or the french or any of the other people in institutions you have
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slandered for money and fame your narcissism and sociopathy uh and self-interest and resentment
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and grief have all commingled into something truly sinister which you have become in which
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you have done can only be answered in the blood of the very christ jesus you bless them for cheap
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points and clicks you are playing games with your soul candace and with people's lives it is a game
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you lose automatically just by playing you sit on top of the world of fame but you are failing
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no falling into the pit of hell itself you're leading others there too and being cheered on by
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those already lost god have mercy on your soul and it's kind of been the um the mantra of the
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people that dislike candace you know people from daily wire people from tp usa relentless going
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after i guess this guy says you're the demon um you know so you can see people like just like
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you know point us up a bunch of stuff uh is this stacy sheridan walking in with ck's parents
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can somebody give me the background of this chick i know she used to work for turning point usa but
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like what's the relevance here oss alex with the 10 gifted thank you my friend appreciate you bro
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and then uh shout out to all you guys following the channel by the way as well shout out to all
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ninjas hope you guys are enjoying the broadcast should i start going live earlier in the middle
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of the day like this more i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have to go live in the middle of the day
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like this seems like you guys really enjoy this shit you were not charlie's friend you were not
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his defender you were his tormentor and now you torment his wife an organization he built
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candace you're a fraud oh he's quoting andrew colbert yeah so
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Andrew Colvin and Candace have been going at each other crazy the past several days I haven't really
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said anything about it because you know whatever um but obviously with this hearing going on
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you know emotions are high you know no one's really happy that Charlie got killed bro like
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nobody like you know you got to be a sick piece of shit to cheer on um for Charlie's assassination
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you know um and obviously you know emotions are very high right now because this is the first time
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that we're actually like getting any type of legal progression in this case
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right for you know you guys remember charlie got killed on september 10th guys 2025 it's fucking
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july 6 2026 like it took 10 months right for us to hear anything so obviously this is a very
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emotional day it's a very important day um for everybody so um yeah I'll read I'll read this
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for you guys a little bit here he goes um so he's responding to Candace's comment here with
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Charlie right there from this photo and he says uh hold on let me let me finish reading these
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super chats so I make sure I don't uh welcome to the OSS urban legend have you seen that Andrew
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Wilson wants to debate Candace Owens about Charlie Kirk's assassination conspiracy around it yes I
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Hey, man, I just want to say that I appreciate everything you do for us.
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but made the decision to get all my debts paid off.
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I'd actually rather you pay off your debt than buy a hoodie for me, bro.
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I'd actually rather you pay off your debt, so don't worry about it.
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If you really want to support, the best way to support, guys, is the OSS.
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Joining the OSS is only a dollar to join the first month.
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Get us nine to five workers through the shift.
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Are there, like, no good streamers that go on in the middle of the day?
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Are there really no, like, I could maybe adjust and do middle of the day like this
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if y'all really want it, but are there, like, no good, like, oh, really?
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What, are all the faggots on during the day?
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Los Botos, the fat fuck that watches Netflix and fucking gambles all day, that fucking faggot?
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The only thing with Osman is, like, he's super blue-pilled on the Jews.
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I mean, I know he has a day show, but, like, that's not his main shit.
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They could jump on stream like once a fucking blue.
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so none of the base niggas are on during the day
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Adam Green stopped being spiritually conquered
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I don't know what the hell you're talking about
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most streamers most streamers trash just slop well here's the thing bro uh the problem is that
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like um most streamers are scared to talk about certain topics bro niggas don't want to lose their
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money guys you guys got to understand this bro shout out to the ogs and the oss yep shout out to
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you niggas kb was there's plenty of sick pieces of shit who are happy about it they could use an
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ass whooping yeah the only good streamer during the daytime hours on occasion is andrew wilson
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and jake rattlesnake oh they go on during the day i thought they went on at night they go on
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during the day okay thanks to you marion i was able to get a job as a laborer for a plumbing
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company and your streams helped me get through the day all right what was the invisalign company
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you use uh it's clear correct ever brawn got to give your boy mario now fall credit going hard
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to paint these days yeah yeah yeah he does like a bunch of interviews i don't know what he's
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going to do in the war's end though uh you know uh when you rely too much on guest power you
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because it creates issues all right andrew covet uh candace you and charlie were not friends he
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managed you he kept things light and polite so you wouldn't turn on the organization tell me
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any proof of genuine friendship for the last 12 months of this of his life from the last 18 months
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from the last 24 months, not some 2018 text, something recent. You gave him anxiety whenever
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you called or texted asking, parentheses demanding, to speak at our events. He made me or Justin deal
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with you and George. This is why when you tried to hire me in February 2024 for PR, I agreed to go
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along with it against my better judgment because Charlie asked me to keep you close and protect the
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work from you. The publicist I tried to hire to run point prayed about it and felt the Lord told
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or affirm no and so i ultimately declined this is your central foundational lie you're not his
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friend you are not his defender you were his tormentor and now you torment his wife in the
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organization he built candace you're a fraud and they've been going back and forth like this
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for a while um let's see what candace has to say um oh yeah this is when she was in moscow
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uh 19 minutes ago just responded here andrew the reason i didn't i don't share too much of the
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The reason I don't share too much of the recent stuff
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and the people that were radically supporting it.
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but with your permission, we could go max today.
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oh wow okay did she just put this stuff out andrew's been recently seeding the narrative that
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charlie distanced himself from me here's andrew in his own words on a text chain with me and
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charlie in may of 2024 denying that charge charlie had my back 100 his donors were the ones pressuring
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him and he always expressed to me that he thought the daily wire was behind the sudden push
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truth wins yeah that is true a lot of people don't know that that um charlie kirk and ben
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shapiro didn't really get along like that so here she goes showing this and here well here's a
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i guess a chain with them geez we're not dissing ourselves from you we have a bunch of donors that
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want us to but we deal with them one-on-one and this website is resource explaining things most
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of them are fine once we sit and talk with them i wonder if it's been ben personally or daily wire
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pretty dirty can't swear with you 100 yeah there you go she got the receipts
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charlie had so much anxiety about our friendship that he was the one
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updating me on the farce of october 7th really weird to continually initiate convos with someone
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you're scared of idf knew of a monster planet kidnap 250 before october 7th attack oh man
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oh oh well well well well well well well well well well well well well you know jews doing jewish
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shit hey andrew the reason i don't share too much of this stuff is uh okay
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who's this guy i'm glad you finally came to the surface right your previous employees told me
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it was you and erica that were teaming up with the youtubers to put out the utterly fake narrative
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that charlie and i were not friends and he had anxiety you also worked together to lie about his
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pull towards catholicism and put out the deranged narrative that i secretly loved charlie and hadn't
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spoken to him since 2019 despite me touring with him through to may 2024 here i'll just play this
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clip relationship with who's this guy chat and again i apologize for my not knowing guys i have
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not been i keep it a thousand with y'all bro i have not been keeping up with like you know
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the tp usa and canada's drama i just you know obviously i'm visiting it today for the first
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time even though i did see it on my timeline here and there like this like me actually like
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looking at it now um because my thing was like i was like you know what dude i just want to see
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the trial i just want to see the evidence you know i'm not going to get too much into
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the back end stuff candace owens she's a great friend you know look i don't agree with everything
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candace says but you know what i don't do i don't stop being friends with people just because people
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morally blackmail me i don't do that you shouldn't either honestly i traveled the country with
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candace i went to her wedding i saw her meet her husband i went to israel with candace which is a
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fun story i'll tell you at some point i i think the world of candace she's a great mother she
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certainly has very very fun opinions at times and she's a great talent she says a lot of stuff that
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sometimes i don't agree with but that's what makes the relate our relationship and our friendship
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in relationship with candace owens no she's a great yeah so they're going back and forth man
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feel free guys to um you know go through the the lore
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Serac No Diddy celebrates their subscription for five months.
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Because this was nine months ago, so this is kind of old.
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I want to find something a bit more recent here.
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okay here we go let's see what we got here here's a recap of what went down
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this drive where's campus drive located on that campus drive starts right up here towards the
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top left of the picture it's almost like a t and it's the curb road that comes all the way down
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in front of the institute building and the parking structure and it goes all the way around campus
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It comes back down to the bottom of the picture where the roundabout is, and that would be Campus Drive.
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Are you familiar with where 800 South is in Orem?
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850 South is going to be towards the right of the photo, top right of it.
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there's going to be a street that goes east to west. It looks like a horseshoe, kind of. It's
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going to be the road that goes east to west in the middle of that horseshoe. It'll be 850. Okay,
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so 850 is parallel to 800 south. Yes. And just below on this photograph. Yes. Okay. Are you
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familiar with 600 west? I am. And where's that street in relationship to 850 south? That would
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be on the far right side of the horseshoe, so towards the right side of the picture, and it's
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be the right side of that horseshoe and that runs north and south north and south okay what about
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720 west are you familiar with that street yes i am and where's that at that's going to be to the
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left side of the horseshoe that runs north and south and it comes down towards the bottom okay
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and finally 925 south 925 is going to be on the bottom of the horseshoe that connects
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those other two Wests. Okay so just in summary will you describe the horseshoe
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and what streets amount make up that horseshoe? So the horseshoe comes up off
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of 800 south and directly south of that you'll have 850 south which is going to
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be running east to west. On the left side is 725 west of the horseshoe and it
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comes down into 925 south which wraps back around to 600 west on the far
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right side of the horseshoe on the right side of the pitcher. Okay. Thank you, officer. You can be
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seated. Okay. I'm going to take you back to September 10th, 2025. You mentioned you were
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on campus. You had a particular assignment. Yes. Mr. Gernander, I'm sorry. We're just going to
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pull down the exhibits. Okay. Thank you. You may continue. Would you like me to take this exhibit
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down, Judge? Are you referring to it in your line of questioning right now? Not right now, I'm not.
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So you were securing the Hall of Flags walkway, correct?
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What was happening that morning, that day on campus at UVU?
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I came in to do a shift for a special event where we had a guest speaker come in
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and was going to talk to the students and people around the neighborhood.
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Why is everybody coming at fucking Sneaker right now, bro?
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what the fuck man like well uh yeah i know sneco and i could just tell you living on the internet
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every single day and doing everything that you do for clicks and attention will lead to brain rot
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and just evidence sneco um there's a reason that all the guys that he was once friends with once
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that he admired once that he allegedly according to andrew trade tried to hit on him i have no
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longer uh want to associate with him i have nothing to do with him as they say he's crashing
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out let's just say hey man i'm still here sneaker's my guy you fucking jew so you know it's
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kind of funny as these american flags around here this is an israel first guy so jr tate did a whole
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expose basically saying there's one guy that i will not deal with ever again and that's sneaker
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shocking that someone named sneak oh sneaky sneaker turned out to be a snake nicholas the
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second person is nick fuentes nick fuentes says he's a brown clown after being good friends with
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them those two guys basically hate each other at this point it just basically shows that what
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america stands for is not compatible with what the amen they'll reconcile one day okay
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islamic uh isis type mentality stands for and then obviously destiny is basically destroyed
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multiple times but this is evidence you know you say you could be book smart but life dumb
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sneaker is actually uh neither he's not smart and he's not uh full of wisdom but he's just
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playing for clicks on the internet and be uh just understand that you'll get what you pay for the
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bottom line is this thank you snico for revealing yourself for the the main thing of saying in
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mamdani's new york in the islamic republic of new of new yorkistan as he called it uh islam
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inshallah will take over every single house so i just want to thank you for revealing yourself
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burry's rage baited these guys so much man you know everyone is losing their minds man
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it's like i think it was like a trending thing on twitter this clip
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say what you want to say but that's a lot of fucking eyeballs on this content man so
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and if anything it's just gonna galvanate you know his muslim fans even more he's just gonna
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get more support so uh you guys can go ahead people can hate on him or whatever but um all
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it's gonna do is rally his fan base even more so shout out to sneak i stand by him i don't go fuck
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what these faggots say you know what i mean he's my guy you know i mean we could disagree on some
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shit we had a whole discussion about mom donnie and socialism the other day i don't agree with it
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but i'm not gonna fucking like just bash him when everyone else is bashing him i don't do that to
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any of my friends bro when they came at nick i'm not gonna fucking you know oh he's a fed get the
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fuck out of here with that bullshit oh sneeko is saying this so i get the fuck out of here with
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this bullshit oh say he's a rapist get the fuck out of here with this bullshit you know i mean
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i'm not gonna switch up on my friends because it's the popular thing to do
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Yes, it sucks that my friends aren't getting along
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that's for sure uh let's see here what else we got
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now they're saying most abakamani attended the funeral
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i don't know about that that'd be very dangerous to do that
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guys apparently 20 million people 20 million people showed up to this funeral bro
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this is very this is very correct what nick said about like when it comes to activism
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i agree with nick on um you can't show your power level dude take it from me dude take it from me
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a guy that used to work for the federal government a guy that you know was out here catching criminals
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and you know had a clearance and all this shit man take it from me dude um hide your power level man
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i get it you're aware that women are stupid i get it you're aware that blacks commit crime
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i get it you're aware that fucking trainees shouldn't have guns blacks are criminals
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There's an agent I used to work with back in the day
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Hey bro that was fucked up it's not funny to me
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This is a dude I used to joke with and shit like that man
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So, you know, even people that you make jokes with, people that you rock with, they might become woke faggots later, bro.
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So you just got to hide your power levels, guys.
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I don't want y'all, like, showing your power level and then you fucking lose opportunities.
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I don't want you guys to get fucking canceled like me.
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And I'm sure Nick doesn't want you guys to get canceled like him.
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I'm giving you guys the fucking game right now
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You work really fucking hard in high school
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fucking learn fencing, I don't give a shit
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the Ivy League's have division one fencing
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and then I also want you to get a tutor that's going to prep you
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You're going to apply to all the fucking Ivy League schools.
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You're going to apply to all the top private universities
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Schools in the South is for stupid faggots, dude.
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All the top schools are in the fucking Northeast, dude.
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I'm going to keep it a million with y'all.
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all the top schools are in the fucking northeast all right the schools in the south are for fucking
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stupid retards and sluts and motherfuckers that want to play sports and just like oh yeah i want
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a tailgate if you really want to acquire power the top schools are in the northeast ivy league
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especially okay rub elbows with the jews pretend that you like them okay and there's gonna be some
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cool ones of course but pretend you like the zionist ones keep your nose down work hard get
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a fucking job get into power and then you infiltrate from within but you have to get within
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before you can infiltrate the problem is you guys fucking show your power levels too early
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and you get fucking cooked MIT is another fantastic school yes
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but there's better schools uh up north so yeah guys that's that's what you guys got to do
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that's what you guys got to do work really fucking hard to get into an ivy league school
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if you really want to take over okay and the beating with the ivy league schools guys
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is like for example harvard um harvard for example like they got a financial aid system
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where, like, you could damn near go to school for free.
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It's, like, based off how much your parents make.
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All the Ivy's have, like, really good financial aid packages
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It's not good that going to an Ivy League school
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is, like, going to give you a better education.
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You go to these schools because they have elite fucking networks.
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you guys ever think about that the school i went to okay had an intern program called the co-op
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program a lot of top the top brass at hsi went to northeastern
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so i come in i got good grades i'm a division one athlete i speak arabic picked up
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i got the internship and then i was able to become an agent after that why did i get that
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opportunity because i went to a good fucking school here's the thing with college you can't
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go to a low tier or shit tier or a mid-tier university anymore those days are done there
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used to be you could go to some shitty ass state school and get a good job those days are done
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faggots those days are done you have to go to an elite institution nowadays if you want to get a
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job fresh out of college or get a good job because it's all about networks that's what it's about
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now it's all about networks and the good schools have the networks all right anyway uh let's get
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back the trial's back let's get back to it but that's how you do it guys okay i want y'all niggas
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to win uh let's clear up this fucking shit a little bit i got a lot of tabs open
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give me once in the chat if that makes sense give me once in the chat if that all makes sense for
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you guys didn't know okay and you also mentioned that you've done SWAT in the past yes um were you
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a were you a sniper I was I worked well with them but I was not a sniper okay
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so when you all right awesome I'm glad that that can help some of you guys because I know we got
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a lot of young you guys in here man so yes for the most part to summarize college is a scam for
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most schools and for most people but if you go to a good school get good grades especially ivy league
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schools that's where you get the opportunities because you get fantastic networks that's what
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you're really paying for when you go to these ivy league schools that's why they are so hard
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to get in you're guaranteed a fucking gig because they control the fucking world
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also we talked where was myron 10 years ago hey man i was on the southwest border nigga
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you guys could thank your fuck you guys could thank your lucky stars that i'm on the internet
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now though sharing this sauce with y'all talked about the holster the holster that was found
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are you aware there were any other guns confiscated on the scene that day i'm not
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you don't know one way or the other i don't know
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All right, and I want to go through with you your timeline.
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You mentioned that you started at the Hall of Flags, right?
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And then you came down, it took you a minute to kind of navigate the stairs with the crowd
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and the chaos and everything, and then you were in the grassy area of the courtyard
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Yeah, so about 30 seconds to get down the stairs, and then I went right down to where the tent was.
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So I went down by the tent, so it was lower level.
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So as I came down towards where Charlie Kirk was shot, I went down towards the tent to see what was going on down there
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I heard the gun shot, didn't know exactly what was going on because I was above the tent.
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I'm sorry, I missed that you went down to the tent.
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So what did you do when you got down to the tent?
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At that moment, there were still some people running around,
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so I decided to preserve the scene as much as I could with trying to escort people out,
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and that's when I went back in and started pushing people off the grass area
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to conserve any ammunition or any casings or anything to that effect that would be around.
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I wanted to make sure people were off, and there was as much evidence preserved as possible.
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So just to be clear, by the time you got to the tent,
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Mr. Kirk had already been removed and taken from the scene. Is that right? Yes, okay
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So in your professional opinion, what was what was the perimeter of the crime scene?
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What do you mean by a parameter so the perimeter like how far did this crime scene stretch?
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Like where did you want people to move off of well first? I wanted them all off the grass because like I said is I
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Thought we had a suspect in custody. So to me would be a close encounter
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So I was trying to push everybody off the grass in case there were shell casings or to that fact that I got on the grass
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And getting up to the top where I saw that empty holster
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When I saw that empty holster is when it things start slowing down for me a little bit
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All the chaos and stuff is that's when I realized that was a rifle shot not a handgun shot
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Okay, and that's when you saw the low C building and it occurred you should go check it out. Yes
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And you, the whole time that this is going on, you had an active body camera on your, I guess your collar, is that right?
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And it appears to me from reviewing your body camera that there was another individual who was...
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And just so you know, that's why a lot of police officers aren't going to put too much detail in their police reports because there's no need to do it.
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the reason why his police report might not have certain details like where the shot came from
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or whatever is because you can literally see it or you can see everything with the body cam
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so it's actually better to keep your police report fairly vague and let the body cam handle
03:58:10.960
everything else with you that went to the low c building who was in civilian clothing but
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appeared to have a gun who's that i i don't know who he was exactly like when i used to interview
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bad guys what i would do is i would give like a quick little summary like bullet points and then
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i'd say for the full interview here's the video attached to evidence boom that's it
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exactly he had a badge on and i had somebody with me to back me up as i ran up the stairs
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to make sure i had somebody with me so you don't know what agency he's from or where he's from no
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and he it looked like he had a pistol yes is that right a handgun yes a handgun yeah um and so the
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two of you go to the low c building yes did when you uh mr goodfell says mine's the big bro we
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wish we had appreciate the wise words brother got you guys man gotcha man i want you guys to win
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dude not get in trouble or ruin opportunities man don't talk about jews blacks and women
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in public bro those are the three groups of people that will get you fucked up or fags
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don't talk to about don't don't talk shit about any of those groups of people publicly bro
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Reviewed the videotape at the police department later.
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Did you check to see if anyone had been on the low C building after the shooting,
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after this individual had jumped off that you've already talked about?
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So once I put up the barrier, I only walked up to about that point.
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Then I went down and reviewed the video from that moment on.
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So were you able to see, are you able to say for one way or the other if anyone else had been on that roof in between when the person jumped off the building and when you came on the roof?
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There was people up there looking for an individual that ran that way because when I first got told the individual ran heading north, we didn't know where the shooter was.
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So we started climbing up and looking, clearing the building.
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And it wasn't until I went to the PD and actually saw him jump off of the building that I knew he was off the building.
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let me rephrase that because i think i'm i either asked it badly or you misunderstood me so let me
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let me go back again so from the time that the individual that you spot if you guys appreciate
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that advice that i gave you guys the best way to support show love back join the oss guys
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up or join oss dollar the first month 10 bucks after that that's how i'm able to do what i do
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and say what i say despite the fact that youtube has me demonetize those fucking kike faggots
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bought it on the video jumped off the roof right the individual that you thought was in the prone
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position okay between that and when you got on the roof did you ever check to see if anybody else
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had been on the roof in that period of time yeah and i didn't see anybody so you didn't link is in
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did you look on the video to see that entire okay that's what i'm asking so you did not
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review the video to see if there was someone between you that individual jumping off and you
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coming on if anybody had been on or disturbed that scene in any way okay but once you put the
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tape up you're then we're confident from that point on the scene was preserved right um by the
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where did you get that tape officers responded on the scene that he was down
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on the bottom threw it up to me so okay so you didn't have it on you no and you
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didn't leave the scene to go get it no someone threw it up yes great
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while you were on the roof did you encounter any spent casings as a matter of fact no that's why
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when i i saw the prone position where the person would be laying down a sniper uh oh guys by the
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way um for twitter chat i made it where everyone can comment my bad i think i had it on verified
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only before so all you and on fucking losers can comment in there too so feel free to jump
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to chat faggots being around guns and snipers all the time i was looking for a spent shell casing i
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couldn't see one i was looking over the edge looking all over the place making sure the gravel
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wasn't disturbed and i couldn't find a shell casing at that moment and that would be the reason
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you would be looking for that was because some types of guns when they shoot eject a casing
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automatically right some do some don't yes all right um and then you also didn't find any
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Are you aware of there being a bullet found on another roof?
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I'm not aware. In the vicinity? Were you aware of
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another bullet being found on the scene, not on the roof of the Losey building? I know.
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while you're still on the roof. Do you know why that is?
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I think the battery went dead. It was just right at that moment.
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Okay. And do you know, did you ever turn it back on that day or go get it, I don't know, what do you have to do, charge it or stick a new battery in it? I don't even know.
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Usually dock it, but no, I didn't go back. I was too, it was too chaotic running around.
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So that 27 minute and 35 second body cam that starts when you're at the Hall of Flags and ends while you're still on the roof, but haven't put the crime tape up yet, that's the only body cam you have that day?
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You mentioned when you went to the police department, you watched the video where you saw an individual up on the roof, right?
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And that individual was in the vicinity where you saw the disturbance in the gravel.
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And when you looked at that video, were you able to identify the individual's face?
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Were you able to identify any markings on their clothing?
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When you all, when we looked at the picture of the, I think you called it the sniper perch,
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so I'm going to use your words, it looked like there was a measuring tape laid out next to it.
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Did you ever, were you present when they measured, like, the distance, like how long,
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Were you able to tell the person's weight from the video that you saw?
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Could you identify what shoes they were wearing?
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Could you identify anything about a hat or what was on their head?
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and did you see a gun in the video i saw a long black object in the left hand as he was running
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over across the roof and in fact did you describe that in your report as a bag i don't know i have
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no idea i don't know why all right let's pull that report back up please
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and what she's referring to guys is the video um which i'll show you guys quickly here um
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i'll show you guys it real fast um it was uh yeah there we go tyler
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So in your report, let's do pull that back up, please, page five on the Bagley one.
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So looking at the second page, you're actually going to have to go to page six, I think.
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You talk about what you saw in the video where they jumped off the roof.
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And again, I'm going to remind you of our conversation we had before about you understand how important these reports are.
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And do you mention anywhere in this report that you saw a gun?
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Did you mention that you saw that object? Is that on here?
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Now have you looked at that over and over again?
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Okay. The last time you saw it, were you able to tell what that object was in his hand?
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Yes. Well, not tell what it is. I can see there's an object in that left hand, yes.
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And could you, knowing what you know about the case today, do you have an idea about what that object was?
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It looks like a rifle or something to that effect along.
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I'm going to give you guys full screen here. Let me get my face out the way so y'all can see it.
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See, I placed something down. It looks like something is draped over something that's rigid
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but this is the video that she's uh that the uh defense attorney is referring to
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long object it looks like a rifle like a long object like skinny long you can see it's like
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almost like it's covered over something so you saw the cover which was the towel right yes and
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the shape of it is long okay so you can see a towel but you can't see an act i don't know if
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it was a towel or blanket i don't know what it was but you can't see an actual gun no like an object
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At the end of that day, what time did you leave the campus?
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It was probably like 9 o'clock that night, maybe somewhere around there.
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And did you come back the next morning and work some more?
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and you worked all day the next day uh on and off when you left at 9 p.m did you or anyone else
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know who the shooter was on that day i know not that i know and when i mean he's just a campus
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cop at the time they're not going to know anything at that point it was the case was had been handed
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over to um the state bureau investigation uh part of the state police and fbi and etf at that point
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this guy he he had no oversight of the investigation whatsoever you came back the
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next morning and worked that afternoon all that day did you anybody you or anybody on that campus
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know who the shooter was uh not that i know of yeah patrolmen are not going to be privy to that
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at all like once he put out that crime tape investor comes in and takes over it's over dude
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they're like you know honestly they could tell they could have even told like the the campus
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police like fuck off because i'm sure this campus this campus police department probably had like
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a couple detectives they could have even told them like we're not going to share anything with
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you guys it's our case now so you know and that's a detective from his police department
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let alone a patrolman he's not going to know anything dude once that crime scene tape goes
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off they check out okay so nothing that you found that day or anyone else to your knowledge
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on campus was able to identify who the shooter was and that they know right well during the time
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I was there now that I knew I just want to talk to you about that giant picture that was showed
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to you. Do you know, exhibit 35, I think? Yes, it's exhibit 35. Do you know who took that picture,
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where it came from? I do not. Do you know how old it is? I have no idea. Okay.
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And the pictures you were shown, exhibits one, two, and three, that you got up and kind of talked
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about and showed all the buildings and everything. Do you have any knowledge about where those
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pictures came from? Yes, they were drone footage just taken from a drone. Do you know who was
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operating the drone? Sergeant Ken Nelson from Provo Police Department. Provo Police Department.
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Had you seen those pictures before today? Before today, yes. When did you see them? A couple weeks
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ago. And that was just in preparation for testifying? Yes. Prior to that, had you ever seen those
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pictures? Can I have the court's indulgence for just a moment, Your Honor? You may, Mr.
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got some big news in the middle east guys that just dropped uh i'll talk about it
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one last uh thing i want to clarify we heard you testify that
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ms richards or i don't know if she's deputy richards she's a she's a state employee for
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the frenzy lab so ms richards um she which is common um you know local police departments
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typically don't have like you know crime labs so what ended up happening is like you know the
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state will come in and give assistance because the state police labs are always very good hell
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i used the dps lab all the time when i was an agent in texas he is the one who took those night
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the Texas DPS lab time pictures of this stuff on the roof yes and it you testified that she told
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you that that was what they looked like that day yes when did you meet with her I talked to her on
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the phone it was several weeks ago in preparation for the trial so prior to a couple weeks ago you
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never discussed those pictures because I'd never seen them oh so a couple weeks goes the first time
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you saw them all right and did you write any kind of supplement to your report to add on to your
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report other than what we've gone through today that one report you wrote have you ever written
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another one i have not okay that's all i have thank god i tender the witness thank you miss
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okay um now we're going to get the second witness i think this next witness is going to be a lot
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better this is probably going to be one of the um one of the case agents so let's see who the
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who the prosecutor is going to call mr grunander redirect just one question i believe judge all
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Okay, so yeah, the prosecutor's going to do a redirect.
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He's going to come in and clarify anything that the defense attorney might have, you know, was able to get him to trip up on, which honestly, it wasn't much.
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Officer Bagley, if we could pull up State's Exhibit 1.
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But like, witnesses like this are like, you know, he's just a patrolman.
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Can't really, like, grill these guys that much.
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You've talked about this handgun holster that you observed on the grass in the courtyard.
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I'm going to ask you if you would approach the monitor when it comes up
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and point out as best you can where you observed that holster, okay?
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your voice and that's where i could see straight up where oh finally nice sight was okay thank
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you nothing further judge all right all right may this witness be excused yes your honor yes
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just for the benefit of those in attendance that you may have noticed i drink some water please
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if you have water and what's been previously approved don't hesitate yours you can drink
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just don't spill it um and let's go to the states uh ready to proceed with your next witness thank
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you judge this day calls david hull all right all right david hull is the uh second witness
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I'll turn to Jutu back on here in a little bit.
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Would you like to come forward and be sworn in?
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You just always pray that the testimony you shall give
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All right, if you'd like to be seated right here.
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afternoon uh would you please state your full name and spell your last david hall h-u-l-l
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and are you employed i am yes who are you employed by i'm employed by the department of public safety
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okay department of public safety how long have you worked for the department of public safety
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i'm in my 12th year are you uh are you a peace officer i am yes are you post certified i am yes
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when did you receive your certification uh 2015. and since that okay so he's he's a sworn law
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enforcement officer time as your certification remain intact in other words has it lapsed or
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been taken away or anything like that no it's been continuous you uh you said you're in your
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your 12th year did you already say that you're 12th year with the dps uh have you worked for any
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other law enforcement agency besides the dps no just the state of utah okay so he basically works
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for the department of public safety state police what is your current assignment with the public
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safety currently positioned as an investigative sergeant at peace officer stands in training
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was that all right peace what is your current assignment with the public safety currently
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positioned as an investigative sergeant at peace officer stands in training okay a peace officer
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uh investigator sergeant okay was that your assignment in september of 2025 no it was not
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I was under the State Bureau of Investigations.
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I told you guys it was Major Crimes that is running this.
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For those of you guys that don't know, SBI is the state version for Utah.
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Well, it's a component of the state police that does investigations like this,
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Is SBI an acronym that's commonly used to describe the State Bureau of Investigation?
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I can refer to it as the SBI, and we're all on the same page, right?
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And what exactly did you do? What was your assignment with the SBI?
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I spent just under a year in the Alcohol Bureau and the undercover unit,
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and then the remainder of that time was with major crimes.
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Predominantly investigating crimes that are considered to be major in nature.
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Predominantly violent crime, including homicide, sexual assault.
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In some cases, fraud cases kind of covered a whole gambit of things, but predominantly violent crime.
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Basically, sexy cases that prosecutors want to take.
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And throughout your career with the DPS, have you done any training related to murder investigations specifically?
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And could you just briefly describe what that specific training entailed?
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I've done internal and external courses around lead homicide investigation, officer-involved critical incidents,
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child deaths and unexplained deaths in children, aquatic homicide.
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and then just continuing investigations related.
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have you either played a role in or led a homicide investigation?
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I've probably been involved in approximately 40 or so.
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what they're doing is they're introducing the witness
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and showing how the witness is credible and reliable
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and is an expert in what they're about to talk about,
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Did you work a certain shift that day, or how does it work with the SBI?
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Kind of worked 24-7, 365, but predominantly Monday through Thursday, office hours.
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On that date, were you asked to respond to the campus of Utah Valley University?
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It's like you work whenever because, you know, you're an investigator,
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I was at the office in Taylorsville when I was asked to respond down to Utah Valley University.
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And what did you understand was going on at UVU that day?
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I had been told that there was some kind of an event and an individual had been shot.
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Someone had told me that Charlie Kirk had been shot.
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At that point in time, were you familiar with Charlie Kirk?
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So when you found out that there was an event that it was Charlie Kirk that had been shot,
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that was while you were still up in Taylorsville at your office?
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Yes, we hadn't been asked to respond at that point.
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Another agent in the office showed me a video of the shooting,
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and I went back to work because we hadn't been asked to respond at that point.
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At some point, though, were you asked to respond or directed to respond to Utah Valley?
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We were asked to make our way down to the university to provide any kind of assistance that was needed.
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Do you recall who directed you to come down to Utah Valley?
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And is that something responding to a scene like this, on a report like that,
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is that something that's done frequently within the SBI?
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Yeah, SBI functions as a supplementary investigative division for really anybody in the state who needs it,
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whether it's a smaller local agency that just needs additional resources.
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We often respond with the crime lab to help process crime scenes,
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but it would be normal for us to be called out to assist another agency.
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When you were first directed to come down to Utah Valley,
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you were just coming down to give whatever help you could provide?
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Yes. My assumption was we were responding to assist process a crime scene, essentially.
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Prior to September 10th, 2025, how familiar were you with the Utah Valley University campus?
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Not very. I think I maybe had been there once before.
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How about from September 10th onward? Did you become more familiar with the campus?
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Became a lot more familiar with the campus, yes.
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Both in walking the campus and looking at the incident scene, in viewing surveillance video of the campus and the surrounding areas,
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and just my general involvement in the investigation.
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I became a lot more familiar with the buildings, the amphitheater, and the surrounding area, and the campus itself.
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Originally, I thought it was just myself and a couple of others.
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I remember Sergeant Falmina, Sergeant Bricker, Sergeant L. Schultz, Sergeant Clark,
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Agent Brian Davis, and a number of other agents were arriving or were on scene when I arrived there.
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Do you recall if other law enforcement agencies responded that same day?
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Yes, there was a large law enforcement presence.
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Federal entities, I believe the FBI, the DEA, ATF, I think some U.S. marshals.
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There was obviously our state presence, and then there was county and city and local agencies on scene also.
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So have all these folks responded by the time you got here, or have they responded prior to?
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I know there were several forensic units from various entities, including the state crime lab and other agencies.
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And did you interact with all these different agencies, you personally?
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Throughout the course of the following few days, probably the majority of them, yes.
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I think you related that originally the SBI was directed to come down just to see if you could help.
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Yeah, that was all I knew when I left the office was to go down and see what services, what can you do to help.
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And I asked you earlier if that role changed, and I believe you said it did.
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How did your role change from what you initially came down to do to whatever it evolved into?
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Having been on scene for a little while, there were some conversations and discussions that took place,
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and I was informed by my lieutenant that myself and Agent Davis would be taking
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lead on the investigation on behalf of the State Bureau of Investigations. So the
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SBI was going to be the lead investigative agency? Correct. And you were
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going to be the lead case agent? Yes sir. Along with Agent Davis? Okay. What does it
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mean to be the lead investigator or the lead case agent? It depends on the
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situation but predominantly you're responsible for kind of directing the
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investigation coordinating information that is coming in typically seems a
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fairly chaotic initially so you're trying to process as much information as
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possible and make as much use of the available resources that you have kind
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of an organizational role would probably be a good way to describe it so you you
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played an active role in organizing in coordination with with the
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administrations of all of the agencies that were on scene we were trying to
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coordinate efforts and and get to put an information as quickly as possible do
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recall whether assignments were made at least with the SBI agents that responded
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with you yeah we have a core group within major crimes that were assigned
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specific tasks. And do they include the agents that you mentioned just a minute ago? Yes, I believe so.
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So each one of those agents with the SPI were given a specific assignment? Yes, with the information
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we had, the agents were assigned to do specific things. And do you remember specifically what assignments
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were given to who? Yes, Sergeant Faumina was asked to coordinate with the
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State Crime Lab and the responding crime scene techs to manage and process any identified
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crime scenes. Sergeant Mark Bricker was put in touch with UVU's
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surveillance and operations team to start working through any available footage
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or information that we had that had been recorded.
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around the campus area, looking for information.
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the flow of information that had started to occur.
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with all the different agencies that had responded yes and i think initially there was still some
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uncertainty as to whether we were we were working with an active an active shooter or or an active
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crime scene the campus is spread over a large area and so so getting that um deemed to be safe is
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quite a process and involved a lot of people yeah securing the area what it was a nightmare
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so they had to do that first before they can actually collect any evidence seriously gotcha
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do you know if the the campus was um deemed safe eventually eventually my understanding is the
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campus was locked down and secured and we were able to start getting people in
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to start processing crime scenes and doing additional things okay you said
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it sounds like that chaos eventually subsided you got organized and
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assignments were made what was the first thing that you did as lead
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investigator I kind of became organized chaos but but we did have a plan and our
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priority was determining whether we had an ability or a way to be able to
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identify who had been involved in the shooting that was our that was our
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primary focus at that time did that include collecting information that was
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becoming available yes we were getting a large volume of information from the
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general public phone tips people sending videos analysts were scrolling through
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social media and social sites as people were posting information onto the
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internet so there was a lot of information coming in a lot of things
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that needed to be processed through and worked okay we're videos coming in yes
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cell phone videos were coming in if you imagine there's 3,000 people on event
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and everybody has a cell phone it was a lot of information that people were
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willing to share with us right did you know whether you or someone else with
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the SBI collected or received a video from an Amanda Wright yes yeah I know a
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A cell phone video was collected from Amanda Wright.
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Do you know who or how that video was collected?
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Yeah, I spoke with Ms. Wright directly on the phone to arrange a time to go and collect that video.
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Unfortunately, she wasn't available that day, but Agent Davis was able to go and meet with her directly and collect the video.
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Do you recall that you actually spoke to Ms. Wright?
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If I can refresh my recollection, I specifically...
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So you have in front of you, what, your police report?
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I have some notes and a timeline for my investigation that was part of discovery.
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And referencing that timeline or those notes, will they help you recall the date that you called Ms. Wright?
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Let me know when you've come across that information and once you've refreshed your memory.
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Yeah, I always would bring my report with me as well, you know, to be as accurate as I can be.
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Your Honor, when he's done, may I take a look at the materials as well, please?
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fast forward just a little bit being your the lectrum to my right your right yes it just appears
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when the camera's uh focused on you uh just the way it's positioned it's you're you're in front
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of the witness and we just want to make sure that yeah it's not gonna go that far i think that that
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is sufficient so all right thank you that's a lot better are we still connected w judge all right
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let's make sure that mr sturgill is picked up w judge thank you get out the way prosecutor and if
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Did that help you remember the date that you contacted Ms. Wright?
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Why don't you go ahead and tell us what date you contacted Ms. Wright?
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I contacted her, I think it was April 6th specifically, but Agent Davis met with her on April 7th.
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So you actually talked to her on the, was it on the phone?
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And did you arrange a time for either you or Agent Davis to go get the video from Ms. Wright?
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and then you didn't go it was agent davis that went correct okay gotcha
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and so what if anything has been done with that video in preparation for today um my understanding
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is that some uh edits were made by your office in order to protect some of the participants in
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the video okay but what um let me ask you this did you or agent davis visit with miss wright again
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yes that was in april and that was um where my correction was uh the video was originally
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provided to agent mortenson okay so i miss i misspoke okay let's just let's let's go back
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and let's make sure this is very clear sure okay so um someone with the sbi collect i slowed the
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speed down to 1.25 guys i did a video yes from from uh amber wright yes agent monson contacted
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miss wright on october 8th and a video was provided to him electronically on october 11th
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okay and um now i'll ask the next question what if anything has been done either by you or another
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agent with that same video in preparation for today's hearing we contacted miss wright to
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arrange a meeting so that Ms. Wright could review the video and that we could verify firsthand with
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her that the video was what she had taken on September 10th at the event at UVU. Okay and
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who had that follow-up visit with Ms. Wright? That was Agent Davis. I was not able to attend. Okay and
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you know that happened because you spoke to Agent Davis? I spoke to Agent Davis and he provided me
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with a written statement um that Ms. Wright had completed. Okay. In 1102. Okay and so you you have
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you have seen that written statement? I have yes. And you've read through it? I have. Does that um
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Do you recall whether that statement was on a form or a piece of scratch paper?
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My recollection is that it was on an official, I believe, a State Bureau 1102 statement,
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which is a written form that is filled out by a witness that contains the 1102 warning.
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And by that, do you mean the advisory that the statement that's written on that piece of paper
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Does it also include a warning that if someone provides a false statement, in this case Ms. Wright,
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that it could be punishable by a class A missionary?
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it does yes all right so it seems to me like this woman uh right um last name right uh probably
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provided you know probably some of the best um footage of the shooting um and what do you recall
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is the essence of that written statement for miss right i mean what what does it basically
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Object, Your Honor. At this point, we want to assert our standing objection to the constitutionality of allowing in Ms. Wright's statement when she is not here present in court to be cross-examined.
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We did include those constitutional arguments in our standing objection.
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Also, this does fall under the type of document that should be safeguarded under Rule 4-202.02-8.
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i knew that was coming dude as soon as he started talking about her sworn statement i was like i
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hope they have her in court and they don't knew she was gonna object to that shit erin f as in
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frank um and and or should be classified as protected under subsection five o as in orange
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um because the disclosure could jeopardize the life safety or property of the witness it's also
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technically um of victims um i mean if she's present under the current theory and the
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information she's technically could be classified as a victim of the event um so it also should be
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protected under that um so we would object to it being read in public it would not be admissible
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a trial in the current format that it is due to its hearsay nature um we do think yeah but this
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is a prelim hearing man this lady is really grasping at straws here preliminary hearing
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is just for probable cause hearsay is absolutely allowed that's why he's bringing in all these law
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enforcement guys because the law enforcement guys know the totality of the case and they can like
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tell you when i did this interview i got this whatever this is what other law enforcement
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officers told me hearsay guys evidence is stuff that you get from other people that's why he
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brought in law enforcement guys because they have all the facts of the case they're the best witnesses
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for preliminary hearings would negatively impact our client's right to a fair trial and furthermore
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I believe the witness herself has requested that, particularly because the video.
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Coming in, I think would still fall under the protection.
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And so for all those reasons, we would object to that coming out in public and being discussed in the public forum and being published in any way.
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All right. So if you wouldn't mind just restating the rule that you're relying upon so I can fully look at your objection.
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It's the UCJA, the Utah, oh gosh, Code of Judicial Administration, I just blanked.
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The Utah Code of Judicial Administration for Rule 4-202.02, parenthetical 8, parenthetical F, as in Frank, and or parenthetical 5, and parenthetical capital O.
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All right. Thank you. I'm just getting there. I want to review this before I hear from Mr. Sturgill.
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Ms. Nestor actually brought up, I think, both the 1102 statement that we intend to introduce
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With regards to the 1102 statement that was prepared by Ms. Wright,
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Judge, it was gathered in compliance with the Utah Rules of Evidence, 1102,
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It's a statement that was gathered by an SBI agent.
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that it was going to be used at the preliminary hearing,
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and it also included the warning that if a false statement is given,
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Judge, I don't know what additional foundation you'd like.
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is I was trying to lay a little bit more foundation just to introduce that statement alone.
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But with regards to the 1102 statement, it has been collected in compliance with Rule 1102.
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it's difficult for the court to make a reliability
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Well, just that 1102 doesn't require that, Judge.
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to corroborate the statement that they've already prepared.
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All right, I've had a chance to review State's Exhibit 6.1, taking into note what Ms. Nester noted, UCJA 4-202.02, in referencing the section she did.
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And Judge, I don't mean to interrupt, but I had not yet addressed that rule.
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I would simply just add to that that that judicial rule, it does nothing to do with admissibility.
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Yeah, I didn't realize you wanted to hear all of that.
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So let's focus on the 1102, and then we'll stop there, and I can make my ruling.
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my ruling and then uh if there's any objections i just need to take it one step at a time to be
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thorough so i'll hear all your arguments about the the 1102 statement i'll return to miss nester
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for any final thoughts and then i'll make my ruling and then we can move to the next i appreciate
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that yeah defense is trying to do anything at this point um you know to try to hurt or well
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try to stop the testimony here from the lead investigator judge and i think what i've i think
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I thought that's what you wanted to rule on first,
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And if you want me to do that now, I can do that,
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and Judge, I think if you'll look at that written statement,
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I believe Ms. Wright's personal information, for the most part, has been redacted.
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Other than that, and beyond that, Judge, I'll leave it up to your discretion.
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Well, as it relates to, well, let me take it one at a time.
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What I have in front of me, plaintiff's exhibit 6.1, has her full information here.
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I thought we'd provided a redacted version of that.
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I think we provided you with an unredacted version some time ago.
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The version that we have and are prepared to present today is a redacted version.
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Could I have a copy of what you're intending to admit into evidence so I can consider what's before me?
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I want to make sure that's not coming on screen.
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all right okay no and that's fine it's not it's just from my that I I can look
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it on my screen because I'm trying to evaluate so if you just want to put it
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back on my screen all right well so what I'm doing is I'm looking at this and
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just for clarity moving forward if there is a particular exhibit I'll ask that
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you provide it instead of me relying upon here just so there's no misunderstanding and and i can
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see exactly what is being moved into evidence i don't want to assume right and i want to do the
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proper analysis all right and i appreciate that judge and i apologize i i understood that we were
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presenting redacted copies today and okay i think there's just been a little bit of glitch so i
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apologize for that judge all right and and miss nester i just want to make sure that you're looking
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at this exhibit as opposed to what I was just looking at in regards to your arguments.
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With this clarification in mind, any update to your argument or anything that you would like the court to consider?
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The only other issue I think that exists with this that I haven't already raised
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is that there's clearly two different authors in the body of the document.
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and then it looks like Ms. Wright wrote the rest of it,
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which we don't have any indication of who wrote that top line
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and when they filled that in, if it was before or after she signed the document.
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So I have some concerns about authenticity with respect to that as well,
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And as I'm determining it, it does appear that the writing is different.
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Did you want to lay additional foundation, Mr. Sturgill, or provide information for the court?
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Do you have in front of you State's Exhibit 6.1?
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You've heard the discussion that just took place.
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It appears as if there's two different styles of writing on that form.
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I imagine that you have the writing that includes the personal information from Ms. Wright,
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and then directly below that I think there's a there's a line there that
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appears to be arguably writing prepared by someone else is that in fact that is
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that in fact accurate that there that is a different that's correct author of
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that writing what do you know about that writing on that first line just below
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statement of incident because we were asking this right to verify a specific
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video. The file name for that video was written on the statement in her presence
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and then that video with that file name was then shown to Ms. Wright to verify
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that it was in fact the video that she had provided to us. Okay and so was it
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you or or SBI agent Davis that prepared that? Based on the writing that appears
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to be agent Davis's writing but it's not it's not my writing. All right but that
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is the routine or is that kind of how you commonly do this? In this case because
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we were specifically asking them to verify a specific digital file that had
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a specific digital name and we didn't want there to be any errors in how that
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name was presented we wrote the file name on the document for the individuals
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all right anything further miss Nestor with that additional information before
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the court makes its ruling your honor all right thank you into having you
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Could you leave that on the screen for me, please?
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So considering the arguments made by Ms. Nestor and Mr. Sturgill,
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I rely upon Rule 1102 as well as Utah Constitutional Article I, Section 12, as I previously mentioned, that final paragraph, it states nothing in this Constitution shall preclude the use of reliable hearsay as defined by statute or rule in whole or in part at any preliminary examination to determine probable cause or at any pretrial proceeding with respect to release of the defendant if appropriate discoveries allowed.
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As defined by statute or rule, I have examined this and the clarification was made.
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The previous version of this would fall afoul of having identifiable personal information of Ms. Wright.
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And this one with the redacted portion of the...
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Guys, I'll explain what's going on here in a second.
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Identifiable information, personal information for Ms. Wright is before me.
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And based off that, State's Exhibit 6.1 with redactions is admitted into evidence and may be published.
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Agent Hull, that statement that was prepared by Ms. Wright, what does it state with regards?
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Right now, for all you guys, because we're live on TikTok and YouTube, I'll bring you guys up to speed very quickly here, okay?
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basically here's what's going on the lead investigator for the sbi is on the stand this
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is the case agent this is the guy that ran the investigation this is probably one of the most
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important law enforcement witnesses for this investigation as lead agent you are responsible
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for dealing with the prosecutors you're responsible for liaisoning with other agencies
04:45:46.100
you're responsible for writing the reports talking to uh key witnesses gathering evidence you are
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the presenter of the case this case now i do think it's important that you guys understand
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that the lead investigator is no longer with the sbi he went off and did a more cushy detail being
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like a trainer so that should tell you that this case probably stressed him out he said i'm out of
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here okay i thought that was very interesting that he's no longer um with the sbi major crimes unit
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he left now with that said um the reason why and i i predict here what's going to happen is
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the defense is going to grill him pretty hard and the other case agent very hard there's two guys on
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it this guy was the lead and then obviously in the beginning of the investigation he probably
04:46:23.420
obviously left turned it over to the other guy he's the second lead and probably like the lead
04:46:27.800
at this point but at the when the case began when they arrived on scene they were supposed to go and
04:46:32.980
give some assistance they ended up taking a case now this is very common where if you got like a
04:46:37.940
local police department that's overwhelmed they can't handle this like uh like university police
04:46:41.880
department for example where you got like a couple of cops maybe 10 cops and like two detectives they
04:46:47.160
don't have the capacity to handle this so the state police will often take it and that's what's
04:46:51.720
happening here they took it so um obviously this is very important witness for the for the state
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that's why the defense is trying to hit them on hearsay hearsay now again this is a preliminary
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hearing hearsay is admissible this is not a trial okay hearsay is basically like um testimony that
04:47:10.940
comes from other people and not the direct individual in trial we need to bring that
04:47:14.040
witness in if this was a trial they would have to bring that witness in that recorded the the
04:47:18.200
that recorded the footage that they're talking about right now.
04:47:20.880
But since hearsay is admissible, they can do that.
04:47:24.260
Now, what the defense tried to do was it seemed like there was a sworn statement,
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and the defense was like, ah, well, you know, she's not here.
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So that's what they were fighting about a second ago.
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So now the prosecutor is going to kind of like ask the question in another way.
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i hope i hope that kind of explain what just transpired there to uh the video that you showed
04:47:53.180
you showed her that day or i guess agent davis showed her that day so almost said what happened
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dude i literally just explained it just rewind the video that states that she's confirmed that
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she did review the video and that it was um a true reflection of the video okay here we go
04:48:06.880
statement of incident or what you know about this incident so they put the video okay so i get it
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they put the video file here because they know what they're referring to.
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And then underscore something, blah, blah, blah.
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They're, they put this here so that they can like file it in their records.
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So yeah, there's the, see the defense attorney is just a grassman.
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There's nothing wrong with writing on the top, what it's going to be.
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now if they really want it to be official you can initial it right what i would have done
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i was i would have initialed it you know special agent amber photo right here so they know that i
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wrote that in and then she initials her comment but you know you can see it right here that she
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signs at the bottom well that she took on september 10th 2025 and she identified by who's in that
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video in her statement uh herself and all you guys that are watching on tiktok do me a solid
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guys uh double tap the screen hope you guys are enjoying the broadcast you guys are not going to
04:49:10.020
get better coverage on this than anyone else so make sure you uh share the broadcast double tap
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the screen and just youtube guys like the video for me two young children
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if we could just have a clarification on the court's ruling so
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i understand the court i think this witness right probably provided some very important
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footage which is why they're um they're bringing it up overruled and published and i accept the
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ruling but i thought under the court's previous order that the media was not going to film
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exhibits oh she's not happy because they showed it um and they are filming the ones that are on
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that screen so i guess i just need to clarify that your honor i'm sorry no and i appreciate
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the clarification is important what my ruling when we came back from break was if you're objecting
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specifically to the exhibit and then to the exhibit being published in the courtroom and
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then the exhibit being published which can be captured by media if that's not specifically
04:50:18.300
addressed it i am going to allow it so i didn't hear a specific um objection to that so i appreciate
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you bringing that up but that's that's how i'm looking at every single objection uh just for
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clarity of the record. Thank you, Your Honor. So just to make sure I correct the record,
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we are objecting to the publication of this under the UCGAA rules for the reasons I said,
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but I respect that you've ruled on that. And in the future, I guess we'll just make particularly
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clear we're objecting to publication because I do think anything that's getting on that screen
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is getting filmed. So thank you, Your Honor. Thank you, Ms. Nestor. And yeah, they definitely
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filmed it ksl news utah i got it mr sturgill did you want to respond so yeah the guy on the stand
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right now guide is david hole that's the guy that's uh lead investigator right here with
04:51:07.420
australian accent i don't know if you guys peeped it but he said he did alcohol for a while
04:51:11.100
um he probably worked like for the alcohol compliance people he probably did undercover
04:51:15.820
because because of his accent on i mean it's it's the genie's a little bit out of the bottle
04:51:22.340
on this particular issue, but any record you wish to make?
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We're simply going to seek to admit each one of these exhibits,
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and then we're going to leave it up to your Honor's discretion
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whether to publish them beyond, well, to what extent you want to publish them.
04:51:38.000
Well, I would prefer argument on this issue from both sides.
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So I don't want to exceed my lane by just assuming.
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So I'll leave it to you to make the argument what you're requesting.
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the um sorry about that so before you're moving on mr sturgill as it relates to this i want to
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put this to bed and then we can move on are you are you were you requesting for it to be published
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on so the three you moved into evidence which I approved it is moved into evidence but I didn't
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hear anything in regards to publishing to the courtroom and then lastly publishing which it
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would be captured by the the camera in the background in the back. Judge we believe these
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are public documents so we would ask that they be published both to the audience and to the public
04:53:07.360
at large all right well I given that that we've we've gone past the gate on
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this one it's been published right but I'll know I think we're all on the same
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page in regards to how objections may be made in how the court is going to
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have you um have you personally watched uh miss wright's video i have yes
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and uh what is depicted in that video uh it's a view of miss wright's position in the crowd at
04:54:00.320
the event on september 10th and there you go it's uh it's critical footage probably one of the best
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vantage points and that's why they're they're uh using it it's um absent the the written statement
04:54:14.260
from miss right could can you at least recognize the location that's displayed or depicted uh in
04:54:20.740
this particular video yes it's the amphitheater at uh at the utah valley university where mr kirk
04:54:49.540
Do you recognize what's depicted on your screen right now?
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in the background is the hall of flags and then you have the the gazebo under which mr kirk was
04:55:01.720
presenting his event from and then the crowd between where miss wright was and the stage
04:55:07.520
okay but do you recognize what this is the beginning of yes this is all right for all
04:55:12.860
you guys that are just joining lead investigator is on from the state burial investigation from
04:55:16.700
utah this is the lead investigator okay what is the sbi the sbi is the fbi equivalent for the
04:55:23.560
state of utah who who handles uh major crimes okay the guy's name is david hole okay special
04:55:32.680
agent with the sbi he is the one that's satisfying right now the beginning of misrights video okay
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in a preliminary hearing there's not a this is not the trial chat i've seen a couple of you guys in
04:55:44.940
the chat say it's a trial it's not a trial this is a preliminary hearing it's only to establish
04:55:48.780
probable cause chairs the state would move to admit uh what's been mark state's exhibit 6.1
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if you're watching on youtube smash the like button if you're watching on tick tock smash the
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double tap okay oh i'm sorry six i apologize into to what level
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hold on hold on this next door i just want to get the clarification and then i'll certainly
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turn to you so the the levels of admitting into evidence then the next level is publishing it to
04:56:26.200
the courtroom and then the next level is publishing it in a way that is captured yeah share the live
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guys appreciate you guys on tiktok sharing the live by the media what is your full request
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Judge, we'd ask that, first of all, it be admitted, that it be published here within the courtroom, and then that it also be published to the public at large.
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All right. Now, I'm not quite sure what this particular video is showing.
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Could you lay a little bit more foundation or proffer that what this is?
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The crowd and the beginning of Mr. Kirk's presentation to the audience in the Amphitheater at UVU on September 10th, 2025.
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I believe towards the end of the video it scrolls back and Ms. Wright shows the people that she's with at the event and herself, yes.
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Is there any act of alleged violence in this particular event?
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that clarification. Mr. Nestor, I'll turn to you.
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I just wanted to make sure I understand the full
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Southern Mom, thanks for the roses. Shout out to all you guys
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Ophelia Hudson, shout out to all you guys showing
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I've been gone for a long time. I can see you guys
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in the shadow realm, if any. But I'm back. Your Honor, with respect to admission, we object to
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its admission on the grounds that it's not properly authenticated as Ms. Wright herself
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is not present. And for all the constitutional reasons we raised in our standing objection,
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we object to that. As far as its publication, we object to its publication.
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it definitely is something that if you oss guys are watching on tiktok let me know i'll mod you
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up right away any oss guys watching on tiktok let me know and i'll mod you up but in its current
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form without her here would not be admissible in any place other than a preliminary hearing
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um and we feel like this would really but stay in the oss chat give me your tiktok name on the
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oss chat so i know you're actually in the oss i'm looking at the oss chat right now really impinge
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on Mr. Robinson's right to a fair trial, and so we're asking it not be published,
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and certainly if the court does publish it, that it certainly not be filmed.
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Judge, Rule 901 addresses authenticating or identifying evidence
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to satisfy the requirement of authenticating a document,
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the proponent in this case is the state must produce evidence sufficient to support a finding
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that the item is what all right all you tiktok guys type in a tiktok chat so i can start giving
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y'all uh wrenches so i'm gonna look on i'm gonna look at my um oss chat then i'll look at my um
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tiktok chat and i'll give y'all wrenches if it matches up because you know people are going to
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try to scam opponent claims it to be and then the rule goes on to explain or provide examples of
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her her camera or on her phone and uh and so judge i think that alone sufficiently authenticates
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the document and then even further than that you have uh agent paul who has reviewed the video
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himself and authenticates it at least with regards to location thank you as it relates to
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admissibility of this exhibit i believe this is state's exhibit six is that it is judge all right
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I'm sorry to interrupt. Can I add one more thing just for the record? For purposes of publication question, under UCJA 4-202.02, parent 4, parent R as in Richard, photograph, film, or video of a crime victim are designated as private court records.
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And I do think that based on what the state has previously referenced, they are perceiving that everyone in the audience is a potential victim.
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And so we think it shouldn't be published under that rule.
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Judge, I appreciate that argument from Ms. Nestor.
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But to that end, to protect who we believe is a victim, victims in this video, I believe their faces have been blurred out.
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I think it's only the minor children whose faces are blurred out, not Ms. Wright, if I'm not mistaken, unless it's been subsequently altered.
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My recollection is they've all been blurred out.
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All right. Let me I need to view this again. So let's just put it on my monitor again.
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I'm just trying to make sure that in order for make a ruling on this, I need to view it.
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So let's put it on my monitor, play it without any sound.
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OK, to my understanding is the prosecution has control of this exhibit.
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So what I'm asking is that the sound be turned off if there is any.
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uh oss guys keep um keep putting in your thing so i can give you guys uh mods and just go ahead
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and play it and it's only on well it's on all the parties monitors because i all i want you all to
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view it because that can go directly to as you've mentioned miss nester uh whether it's possibly
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yeah uh tyler robinson is balding chat bro has been stressed
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guys i'm only giving wrenches to oss guys that's it i'm not giving wrenches to anybody
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And so I'm going to rule that it is admissible.
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Sure, I'll wait until all parties are ready to proceed.
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so anything further i just want to make sure you got a chance to watch that i did so i'm ruling
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that it is admissible into evidence again taking into consideration of the analysis
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yo oss guys keep typing in the um keep typing on the uh on the tiktok dude so i can find you guys
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crash amaran you already got him yeah i gave you a mod uh salah i gave you one already
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the court's talked about regards to 1102s and this particular piece of evidence as it relates
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to the 1102 video the 1102 statement 6.1 and I'm going to allow it to admit into evidence and
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because the faces of the alleged victims are not all obscured there are some that are visible
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it's not going to be published to in court monitor and obviously not to
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to be filmed by the media so the court will receive it into evidence the court will watch
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it again right now and then we can continue to proceed very good thank you josh so if uh to
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the state if you would like to play it again for me i dropped the oss link for you guys in there
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just use the code youtube as a dollar for the first month best way to support the mission
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because i'm demonetized on youtube i'm viewing it as it relates to consideration as a magistrate
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your honor um this is sounds like an issue that's going to come up again i represent the news media
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can i convert on this issue yes um dominicano you got your wrench joseph you got your wrench
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the i just wanted to address i've tried to be quiet i just wanted to address it now because
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it's going to keep coming up it sounds like the classification rule that miss nester is
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citing and that your honor was just reading is not about in court exhibits that is classification
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for records in the court file so it is a fundamentally different thing when we are in a
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public proceeding and the state is presenting an exhibit that you are relying on and the public
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is being denied the chance to see it that is that is a fundamental um violation of the right of
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access and it can it's a qualified right and i recognize that but that's not the the ruling that
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you just made you're just ruling based on the code of judicial administration which doesn't have
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anything to do with when something is presented in a public proceeding so while i recognize there
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are certain things where I understand that you were going to make an exhibit by exhibit
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evaluation based on certain exhibits that may, you know, be somewhat, may cross the heavy
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threshold of being so prejudicial that they cannot be shown in public. That is not this.
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And so just, I just wanted to make clear that the things that are in rule 202 are not, when it is
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presented in open court as an exhibit for you to rely on, the public is entitled to see what you're
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seeing so that they can understand what your decision-making process is. And so this one,
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it doesn't sound like this sounds pretty anodyne to me.
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You know, it's just, it's not even depicting the shooting.
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I just wanted to clarify that the classification issue
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about when, you know, we're filing things with the court
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That's not the decision that you're making today.
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And the people in the gallery have the right to see that.
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Whether you allow EMC of it is a different question.
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Okay, so we'll go to Ms. Nestor first and then to the state.
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The only additional observation I'd make is, with regards to this video and this video only,
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the state doesn't believe that the defense really has standing to make an argument on behalf of the victims in this case.
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All right, based off of what's been presented in recognizing the argument from the media,
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and how they are differentiating the rule that was cited versus what was presented.
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So I'm going to go ahead and rule that this may be played in the courtroom
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So to the camera operator, I just want to make sure that it's going to be playing on that,
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I appreciate the patience of the parties as we're going through the many layers
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exhibit six correct thank you mr sergio you may continue
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agent hold did you or any other sbi agent collect additional video oh yes there were other videos
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collected what additional video did you collect um a cell phone video from mr phillips was collected
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and do you know who uh or how that video was collected yes agent schultz made contact with
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i clicked a bunch of um i clicked a bunch of you guys and gave you guys wrenches i mean it should
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work maybe refresh your page mr phillips uh september 29th of 2025 and that video was provided
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to him and subsequently in preparation for the proceedings today um myself and agent davis met
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with mr phillips um on april 6th and he completed in 1102 and went through the same process as miss
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wright the only difference being on this occasion because he is a minor his mother witnessed it and
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also signed the statement okay so you personally reviewed uh mr phillips's video with mr phillips
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Again, on this written statement, are there two different authors?
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Yes, I believe in this instance it was myself that wrote the file name on the form.
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Okay, so you wrote, what part of the statement did you write?
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Just the name of the file that we were asking Mr. Phillips to verify.
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Yeah, that's for their own, like, tracking purposes.
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I'm going to have exhibited on your screen what's been marked State's Exhibit 7.1.
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Is it on your screen? Do you recognize what that is?
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The State Bureau of Investigation 1102 form completed by Mr. Phillips.
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And again, does this statement include the advisory that is going to be used in the of his testimony at Freedom?
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And does it also include a warning that if he makes a, well, the author makes a false statement that could be punishable by being charged with Class A misdemeanor?
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Anything about this exhibit look different than the day you collected it?
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we would object to the admission on the grounds
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we are particularly concerned about our constitutional
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refresh your page hopefully you get it public published and um i think again we have the same
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issue with the court you know being in a position where you're having to make a reliability um
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determination without the opportunity for this individual to be cross-examined also i do think
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the fact this is a minor that um completed this form um does make it protected he's also
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potentially a victim um under the same theory that has been stated form is right um and under the
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and private means it shouldn't be played to court
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and it shouldn't be played to the public through the media
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we would object to its publication and we would object to its filming
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Let me address, well there's two things here right
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let me address first the 1102 statement, judge I believe
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again that this statement was gathered in compliance with rule
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and the agent has explained that although Mr. Phillips is a minor his mother was present
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and that explains I believe he said the second signature on the form the with regards to
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publishing it yeah that's one way to get it in get the parent permission 1102 statement that is
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as we believe again the presumption is this is a public record and that it should be not only
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admitted but published here in court and also published so the the media can record it with
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regards while doing it address the 1102 and then we'll all move on to the video all right so we're
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staying focused on the 1102 any final response miss nester thank you as it relates to the 1102
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statement and to the state uh representative who is displaying it could you scroll down i can only
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see the top half of this all right and just go to the very bottoms yeah guys i'm trying to mod you
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through my computer it's not i don't think it's letting me do it man i don't know why oh man let
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and to the Utah Constitution, Article 1, Section 12,
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to that paragraph I have referred to previously,
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believe it's admissible it's been authenticated properly hold on hold on
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I'm not talking about the video I'm talking about 7.1 publishing it in the
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courtroom versus publishing it on to be captured by the media because we think
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that it's present the presumption is it is a court record we believe in its
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redacted form we believe it should be published all in all three areas
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mr. any final thoughts I'm gonna go ahead and grant that publishing of
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plaintiffs exhibit 7.1 in courts and that the media may capture that let's go
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ahead and do so all right let's see it's always cool down so here's the um here's the document
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here's department of public safety voluntary statement affidavit so this was soren statement
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so image i have viewed blah blah blah looks like this is the parent right here jennifer phillips
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all right you may proceed did you admit it at some point it is admitted into evidence and it was
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published the um have you personally watched mr phillips's video i have yes okay and what does
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it depict? It's a graphic video. Mr. Phillips was positioned towards the front of the crowd
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and it does depict the moment that Mr. Kirk is shot. And independent of the 1102 statement
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prepared by Mr. Phillips, you watching that video, do you recognize at least the location
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of this video? I do. It's consistent with the event that Mr. Kirk was presenting at UVU on
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September 10th, 2025. To this point, the state would move to introduce or would move to admit
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what's been marked state's exhibit number seven. We would simply ask that it be admitted. We would
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asked however that it not be published beyond that due to the graphic nature and the sensitive
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nature of the video all right so as to the admission the same issues that we raised as to
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the 1102 we would raise as to um the difficult yeah defense really doesn't want this video getting
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in chat that's what they're arguing about all this time is basically they don't want this video
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getting in authenticating when the individual's not here at least for the prelim hearing isn't
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um and all the same concerns um that we raised they're using the excuse that the defendant isn't
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Sorry, the witness isn't here to testify to us, so they're trying to keep it out.
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And also under Rule 403, we think it's more prejudicial than probative, and we would raise it for that reason as well.
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I will admit Exhibit 7 into evidence based off the foundation that's laid.
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the 1102 is tied directly to this and so for admission purposes it is admitted i am not going
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to authorize publication in the courtroom or obviously through media but i will have it played
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on my screen and so i view it and i just want to make sure and please counsel given the graphic
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nature of it please guard your screens because i believe we all should be viewing okay chad i think
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I found a way to do it. So this is what I want you guys to do on OSS. If you're on OSS, send a
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$1 super chat, guys, just so I don't lose your name with your username on TikTok. If you already
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did it, don't send another one in. I'm going to go through. I'm going to find you. I found how to
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do it on my phone. I'm going to add you manually. Just give me your TikTok username, and I'm going
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to compare it with the OSS super chats, and I'll add you in for TikTok. So you guys can go in there
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and moderate. Okay. I got your ninjas. If you already donated, don't donate again. This is
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only so I can like keep it organized and I can find you guys. This, this is evidence. And I want
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to make sure that you all are seeing what I see to ensure that that is accurate. And it's a fair
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representation of the exhibit that you are familiar with. So whatever you need to do,
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I'll give you a moment. And if you could just give me a thumbs up, if you're ready to proceed,
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Again, I want to act in a way that is dignified and respecting the rights of all persons.
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And for those reasons, I just want to make sure we are safeguarding to ensure this is not captured.
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Okay, so they're not going to show it, obviously, because of the graphic nature of it.
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We don't know how. We don't know what they did.
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Yeah, Mr. Farnsworth originally provided, I believe, a flash drive to Lieutenant O'Brien with one of the local agencies.
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And a short time after that, on September 10th, he provided downloadable versions, electronic versions to Agent Mortensen.
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And an 1102 was collected from him on May 6th of 2026.
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So an 1102 was prepared by someone with visual impulse?
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Terrell Farnsworth was the individual that prepared it in preparation for this.
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I spoke to him personally regarding that statement.
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And do you know what his association is with Visual Impulse?
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I believe he's the owner-operator or the director of the company.
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And then who collected that 1102 statement from Mr. Farnsworth?
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Okay, and you know that because Agent Monson told you?
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He provided it to me, and then, as I mentioned,
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I subsequently spoke to Terrell Farnsworth personally regarding his statement.
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Have you had a chance to look at Mr. Farnsworth's 1102 statement?
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And again, does that statement include an advisory that any statement that he provided would be used at preliminary hearing in lieu of his life testimony?
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Did it also include a warning that a false statement would potentially be punished by a class A misdemeanor?
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I'm going to have exhibited on your screen what's been Mark State's exhibit 8.1.
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It's the 1102 statement that was provided to me, completed by Mr. Farnsworth from Visual Impulse,
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who is the videographer for TPUSA for the events that they do.
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Judge, the state would move to admit State's Exhibit 8.1.
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We have constitutional concerns for the reasons we raised in our standing objection.
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We also would like to cross-examine Mr. Farnsworth about whether or not and to what extent these videos may have been altered in any way.
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It is clear that clips were being made out of the larger videos because he sent, even his own statement says he sent larger videos and this is just a small portion of them.
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So obviously someone made clips and we don't know who, we don't know how, we don't know what they did.
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and for those reasons and the reasons that are standing objection we would
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object to the admissibility of it and as well the I don't have a redacted
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version of 8.1 but I assume there is one there is personal information on this
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one do you have the redact okay I don't have that one all right um and we would
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get a copy of the redact? I was just handed it.
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I just wanted to make sure that you had copies.
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With regards to the admissibility of the statement, Judge,
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I think the foundation has been laid that this statement was collected in compliance with Utah Rule of Evidence 1102,
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It's a statement that's been made by a declarant that's written, and it's under oath, or not under oath, but pursuant to a notification of the declarant that a false statement made is punishable.
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I think there's been foundation to support that.
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In addition, Judge, Article 1, Section 12 of the Utah Constitution makes it very clear that the state at preliminary hearing can rely upon reliable hearsay.
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I want to tell Brett to mod some of you guys, man, because it's taking too long.
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um and and tiktok is not fucking helpful at all with this crap it's very annoying when i search
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some of your guys names you guys just don't come up anything further before i make my ruling
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thank you all right applying the same analysis from the previous exhibits as it relates to the
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written statement under rule 1102 and also under the utah constitution article 1 section 12 in that
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last paragraph uh i will overrule the objection and admit uh plain to a state's exhibit 8.1
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uh let me hold off hey smash the like button for me on on uh on youtube by the way guys smash that
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like button for me from that final phrase if you could scroll down to the state representative
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and i'll give you all like another minute but uh smash that like button on youtube stop right there
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I just want to make sure I fully review it before I make that ruling.
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Your Honor, we would just renew our objections to authentication for admissibility purposes.
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under 901 bro this is hilarious every objection is on hearsay in the 1102 in a prelim hearing
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you know someone prepared these clips we don't know who we don't have that person here to cross
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examine in terms of what it what if anything was edited and um for that reason we think it can't
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be authenticated and we object to its admissibility and our standing objection for constitutional
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again the state must produce evidence sufficient
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support of finding the item is what the proponent claims it to be
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first-hand knowledge or observed uh well has first-hand knowledge regarding the authenticity
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of that video you heard agent hold testify that he spoke to the owner of um and the director of
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visual impulse uh visual impulse i believe hey guys double tap the live on uh on tiktok
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double tap the live on tiktok what do we rank right now guys on uh tiktok live what are we
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ranked i see dean has the most of 27.2 but this is like his main platform
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what do we rank right now on the tiktok lives ninjas it was testified to that they contract with
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tp usa to film their events this particular video of the state is going to or seeks to introduce
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is exhibit eight was shown to mr farnsworth and that is the video that mr farnsworth authenticates
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and says that this is video that was captured by visual impulse cameras.
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So with regards to authentication, I think the state has sufficiently provided the court with evidence to authenticate it.
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I'm going to overrule the objection and admit States Exhibit 8 as it relates to publication citing to Article 1, Section 28, 1A,
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that this is Declaration of Rights of Crime Victims in its states
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to be treated with fairness, respect, and dignity.
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And to those two points of respect and dignity,
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the court is not publishing this in the courtroom,
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But the court will watch it in court, and again, to the parties,
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if you could protect your screens however you choose to,
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and then i'll check to see when we're ready uh and then we'll okay it looks like they're gonna
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fold the play the full thing here but they're not gonna show it obviously have it played so
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turning to defense um is more time needed to okay thank you turning to the state to your screens
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all right they all right oh so we're not in the top 100 that's bs bro how are we not in the top
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100 with like almost 500 ninjas in here how's that even possible i see a head nod yes and let's
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So, okay, we're ranked 93 in the world right now on TikTok.
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Guys, keep tapping the like button while we wait for this thing.
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Yeah, dude, we're literally, yeah, they're showing the shooting, guys.
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their plane remember the SBA yes the the campus itself UVU is very well equipped with with cameras
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throughout and they were willing to work with us to provide video from those cameras and so that
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was collected as part of the investigation also the with regards to the UVU surveillance video
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do you know if video was collected from uh there behind where Mr. Kirk was all right guys Brett
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and I know there was a camera situated in that location.
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And do you know, with regards to that camera view,
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uh well let me ask you this so that particular camera view there was surveillance that was
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provided to you or another agent from you to you correct okay and do you recall who provided that
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video to you initially and who collected it um initially um i don't know specifically for that
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video uh but i know that whole process was oh that says i got you guys bro you guys are party
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number one i literally been doing this all for you guys because you ninjas rock with me i rock
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with you so we're getting all you guys wrenches right now that's one of the benefits of being an
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oss bro was overseen uh by mr olson who's responsible for that system okay do you have
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a first name for mr olson uh curtis olson i'm sorry curtis olson okay and and do you know what
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mr olson or curtis olson's position is at uvu i believe he's a director
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Is it his job to basically gather and forward any video that's captured by UVU surveillance?
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Yeah, he has a long title, but I think it's Director of Infrastructure, but he is responsible for that system.
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With regards to this particular video, the video from underneath the Hall of Flags,
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what, if anything, have you done with that video in preparation for today's hearing?
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I went specifically to meet Mr. Olson, have him review the video that we had, and again, like with the others, I had him complete an 1102 statement for us describing his role and verifying the videos.
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I did that on, actually on July 2nd of this year.
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actually that's i'm gonna correct myself on that if i can refer back to my notes
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okay all right guys i am getting off of youtube and twitter okay youtube and twitter going down
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youtube and twitter going down guys come on over i dropped the kick link in there for you guys
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we're going to continue on with the lead investigator going to keep doing uh breaking
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down this uh this trial twitter and youtube are going down come on over to kick kick.com
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And referencing them will help you refresh your memory.
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Just look at it and let us know when you've refreshed your memory.
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And did you personally review this particular video,
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or I guess the Hall of Flags video with Mr. Olson?
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And on that statement, was that a Bureau-provided statement for him?
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And on that statement, do you recall whether it includes an advisory
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That his written statement would be used in lieu of his life testimony it did yes
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Does it also include a warning that if he provided a false statement on that form that he could be punished with a class a misdemeanor it did yes
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is there something displayed on your screen right now there is yes it should be 12.3 yeah it should
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be what's been marked the state's exhibit 12.3 do you recognize what that is yes that's the state
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Bureau of Investigations 1102 statement completed by Mr. Olson.
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Does it appear to be in the same condition as when you collected it?
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Mr. State would seek to admit what's been marked State's Exhibit 12.3.
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We would, again, renew our concern about hearsay
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and our constitutional concerns about that raised in our standing objection.
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Also, the concern is that the individual basically states they verified the recordings,
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but doesn't say how, doesn't say whether they viewed it,
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doesn't say whether someone else viewed it and told them,
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whether someone else viewed it and told someone else who told someone else who told them.
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We don't think it's sufficient to meet your reliability analysis.
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and we object to admission and we also object to publication.
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Judge, again, the state's position is that this written state was collected in compliance with Rule 1102,
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It is a statement collected with both the advisory.
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from what we've heard from sergeant hole this individual curtis olson is the person that's
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it's his job basically to handle this type of information and turn it over to law enforcement
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All right, I'll have, uh, if the state representative can scroll through so I can review it in its entirety
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and just stop when the majority of that handwritten statements.
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Hey, Suleiman Almari, I appreciate you, bro, with the five gifted. Thank you.
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and if you could scroll down to the bottom of the page so guys what you guys are observing here
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right is the lead investigator as you guys know is running the case so what's up happening is
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they're talking a lot of people they're collecting evidence they're interviewing witnesses
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they're collecting the evidence directly you know they're indexing it etc so what's going on
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basically here is um the defense is trying to stop this from coming in because she's like oh well
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these witnesses that gave them this stuff aren't here to testify it creates problems it's violating
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rights blah blah blah and again this is just a hearing to establish probable cause but the way
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the defense looks at is like yo let's fight as hard as we can okay let's make them burn as much
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evidence as they can so they can show their hands it's very obvious what the defense is doing here
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they're going to be as difficult as they can be right so that it forces the prosecution to bring
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out more and more evidence to establish the probable cause which is good for them because
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then they have less to work with for trial day remember guys the prosecution are the ones who
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have the burden of performance the defense has no burden of performance Tyler Robinson and his
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attorneys can sit there silent the entire time and not do anything so she's gonna fight she's
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gonna object she's gonna try to get things out because what ends up happening is this is gonna
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put the prosecution in their back foot it's gonna force them to come up with more things to establish
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probable cause so it's a battle between the two she knows they have probable cause she just wants
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to see more of what they got and how they're going to present it
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Under the same analysis for 1102, under Rule 1102, as well as Article 1, Section 28 of the Utah Constitution,
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Under Article 1, Section 12 of the Utah Constitution, that final paragraph,
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publication, Mr. Sturgill. Judge, with regards to publication
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in this particular exhibit, it's the state's position that
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the presumption is that it's a public record and we would ask that it be published
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both here in the courtroom and that the cameras be allowed to capture it and publish it as well.
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Your Honor. I note the standing objection from defense and given the court's previous analysis
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for other 1102s, the court is going to publish it both in the courtroom and so it can be captured
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by the media. What we'll do is the same thing. We'll start at the top, pause for 10 seconds and
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go to this middle section and we'll pause about 20 seconds because there is a little bit, it is
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more dense and then we'll scroll down to the very bottom for about 10 seconds and then that
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will conclude that so it's now on screen and let's go from there yeah so guys remember uh
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pursuant to rule so 1102 every time they talk about 1102 it's rules of evidence for the state
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of utah so anytime they talk about 1102 just memorize that it means of rule of evidence
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okay i've been at uvu for 25 years 10 of those as the director my department has had
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responsibility for the video surveillance system since march 2020 i have a
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i don't know i can't read that handled maybe multiple trainings on the management and
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exporting a video for our system, our system records
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all activity is recorded and logged in files, this includes all
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all modifications deletions and exports of data from all my checks
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on september 10th and after the system has been
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functioning properly without any tampering to the system
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i have verified the recordings made on the 10th and all are accurate with
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okay are accurate and reflects the okay this handwriting is atrocious i'm trying chat
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i'm really trying i think we got like 90 of it though and this comes from curtis olson
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pause about 20 seconds because there is a little bit it is more dense and then we'll scroll down
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to the very bottom and uh so here's the video guy move up hold on curtis olson 624 26 and then
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to finish it says here to the best of my knowledge and video prepared by myself including exhibit nine
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in the accurate flex the events on september 10 2025
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all right guys uh you guys better you guys better say thank you or something man because holy
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i don't even know how i read that i don't even know how i did it
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thank you that concludes publication of this exhibit
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the um well in in mr olson's 1102 statement he references more than one video does he not
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He does yes, okay, so you with regards to the the hull of flags video
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Have you have you seen that particular video? I have yes, okay, and that video. What does it depict?
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Under the breezeway towards the back of the stage where mr. Cook was situated
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and I believe through the gaps you can see some of the crowd in the amphitheater.
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I think I've neglected to do this twice before, so I'm going to do it right this time.
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Okay. Do you recognize what's depicted in that still image?
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It's the area underneath the Hall of Flags that I referred to as the Breezeway.
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Judge, the state would see, well, the state asks or seeks to admit Exhibit 9.
05:45:15.800
With regards to publication, this is another video that due to a sensitive,
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the nature and the graphic nature of the video.
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We'd ask that it not be published here in the courtroom,
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nor published in any way that the media camera could capture it.
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I am going to do this stream and go to sleep, dude.
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Reasoning judge, out of deference to the victims and the victims' rights,
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We would object on our standing objection grounds, constitutional issues in terms of the concern about Mr. Robinson's right to a fair trial.
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Based off my analysis that I apply independently to this exhibit, but it tracks with the previous exhibits, I find that it is admissible.
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um this is brett's uh facebook profile but we're gonna be posting content on here i'm live streaming
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on it right now as a matter of fact give it a follow i'd really appreciate if you guys gave
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it a follow let's get to 1000 followers he needs to take this horrible picture off though this is
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a terrible picture look at look at how awkward this nigga looks like what is this bro what is
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this with the corny peace sign so yeah um yeah boomer brett exactly uh but yeah brett's my right
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guys you guys know but yeah he's um we're gonna we're gonna adjust this thing and obviously we
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got andrew tate there when he came by uh last month or whatever but yeah we're gonna um
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this is gonna be like the oss facebook page where we're where we're streaming so
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give it a follow guys we're only 40 away from 1 000 followers okay
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give it a follow i dropped it in the tiktok chat and the uh kick chat but anyway back to the trial
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and we'll admit it into evidence this is state's exhibit i believe nine
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mr sturgill play it no hold on i'm sorry this is state's exhibit nine right correct all right
05:47:32.020
as it relates to publication in the courtroom or by the media again citing to the utah
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constitution article 1 section 28 1a it states to be treated with fairness respect and dignity
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and to be free from harassment and abuse throughout the criminal justice process.
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And in respect to respect and dignity and the human experience,
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I am going to not publish it in the courtroom, nor will it be broadcast,
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all right again to the parties if you could just indicate if your screen is obscure thank you
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miss nester and to the state are your screens secure so they're not viewable all right thank
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you seeing mr mcbride nod his head we can go ahead to the state uh representative go ahead
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And if there's sound, if you could activate sound.
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I just wanted to clarify there is no audio, so let's go ahead and restart it.
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So you are aware that the medical examiner's office did conduct an autopsy?
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Did you receive a report from the medical examiner's office?
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Prior to receiving the report, myself and Agent Davis visited with the doctor.
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You visited personally with the doctor that conducted the autopsy?
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okay and then subsequent to that they might show images of this uh but obviously they're not gonna
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we're not we probably won't see it did you discuss the autopsy with the doctor at that
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point in time when you're meeting with him personally yes agent davis and i had a fairly
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in-depth conversation yes and where did that conversation take place at the medical examiner's
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office okay do you recall the date and time that that personal visit took place i don't i don't
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recall was it was it was soon it was soon after within within a few days of
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the incident of the autopsy yes okay and subsequent subsequent to that visit did
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you receive a report from that that doctor that you visited with we did yes
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okay and that's the dr. Guajardo that you're trying you're struggling to
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pronounce his name is that yeah I apologize but yes that's who it is and
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And the report that was sent to you, do you recall when you received that report?
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Have you reviewed, have you, again, you stated earlier that this is not the first murder investigation that you've worked?
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This is, I take it, this is not the first medical examiner's report you've received?
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Yes, they're in a standard format that the medical examiner uses.
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Okay, and this report that you received from who you believe was the doctor you spoke to
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that conducted the medical exam, was there anything peculiar about that particular report that stood out to you?
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No, it appeared to be a standard form as used by the medical examiner when they send us reports.
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On your monitor, Exhibit 11, I'm going to have displayed what's been marked,
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State's Exhibit No. 11, Judge for Identification.
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So let me know when you see that on your screen.
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What I'd like you to do is just look at this as it scrolls down through the nine pages
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And if you need us to pause or stop or slow down, let us know.
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I want you to be able to look at all nine pages.
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That's the medical examiner's report of examination for Mr. Kirk.
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Do you recall, you don't recall exactly when you received that?
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I don't, unfortunately, remember the specific date when I received it.
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Sometimes via email, also on disk, compact disk.
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And does there appear to be anything in the exhibit before you?
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Or does it accurately depict what you received initially from the doctor?
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Your Honor, this is an expert report without the expert being present, being offered by an individual who's not an expert in this field.
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If they're presenting him as an expert in this field based on the limited questions about it.
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She's going to say, oh, wait, he's not the medical examiner.
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it's not good enough that he's a lead agent and he interviewed all these people and he put the
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case together nope i want the actual people he talked to hey i gotta give her credit she's trying
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dude she's trying this is only a preliminary just to let you guys know preliminary hearings
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at most last like one to two hours okay and that's when it's intense
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all right this is like a mini trial almost experience and seeing previous medical exam
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records i'd like to voir dire on his his qualifications to opine about it um this is
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hearsay it's highly technical it should be presented only through an expert it could
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never come in in trial in any other way um we submit that it is hearsay um and to the extent
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they're going to ask this individual about any opinions about it um that would be improper he's
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not qualified to do that um and furthermore we just she's correct he isn't qualified to do that
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however when it comes to establishing probable cause which is what this hearing is for which is
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an extremely low standard it will suffice i think that this is clearly falling under our
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constitutional concerns about the but again she's yeah she's yeah that's what she's going to keep
05:56:22.000
saying constitutional concerns about tala robbins's ability to get a fair trial absence of our ability
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to be effective to cross-examine to question the we can't even question the experts experience or
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CV or anything that we would normally do to determine if this should even be accepted
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or considered by the court. And so we strenuously object to
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its admission and for all those reasons to its publication as well.
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There is also, there's some really personal things
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in there that shouldn't ever be published that deal with Mr. Kirk's
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is the condition of his body. It shouldn't be published,
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your honor thank you to the state judge this is clearly uh reliable hearsay admissible under rule
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1102 of the utah rules of evidence um i would direct you specifically to subsection we all
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know what 1102 is now at this point huh and b5 um for purposes of rules of evidence for the state
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Utah. And I'm quoting the rule for purposes of criminal preliminary examinations only. Reliable
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hearsay includes in subsection five specifically states medical and autopsy reports and records.
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Again that is supported by article one section 12 of the Utah constitution which states that
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reliable hearsay can be relied upon at preliminary examination in whole or in part.
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And to the second part in regards to publication. As far as the publication judge um we uh we
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agree with Ms. Nester. This is a document that does
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contain very sensitive information and information that
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Mr. Kirk's family would appreciate it not being published.
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So although we seek to admit it, we'd ask that it not be published here in the
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courtroom or that it be published in any fashion or way that the
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public can see it by virtue of a camera. Ms. Nester.
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Your Honor, I just want to point out that even though 1102 has a provision
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about um exams i mean the court still has the overarching mission under 1102 to make this
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reliability finding right and and it's just completely in a vacuum being offered by someone
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who's a police officer um so again we would just argue that you're just not it's i guess the medical
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examiner report isn't good enough huh they need to have the person there to actually testify to
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the report okay it's hampering you for making the analysis you need to make to admit it and we
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object to it all right anything further yeah she's gonna object to everything they're from
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the party it's gonna be one of those no you're wrong no sir all right so again relying upon the
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analysis on utah constitution article one section 12 as we're at 153 k likes guys smash that like
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cover everything else i'll get banned it relates to reliable hearsay and then turning to
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Utah Rules of Evidence, Rule 1102, B-5, specifically notes medical and autopsy reports and records.
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B-5 is to reliable hearsay and then turning to.
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it's coming in defense constitution article 1 section 28 dignity portion respect and dignity
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it will not be published either in the courtroom or viewable on media by the the camera for the
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reasons previously stated as it relates to the video and so the court will receive it
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does the doctor relate cause and manner of death?
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okay and in that report what is the stated cause of death uh it was stated as a murder
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and uh manner of death there's a gunshot wound to the neck
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all right i object it's not stated i knew it i knew that was coming bro
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it is a murder i believe it's stated as a homicide which is an important distinction
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Ms. Nester, are you referring to page one of this report?
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As it relates to your objection for the misstatements,
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Your Honor, I also need to make an objection on the best evidence rule, too.
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So I'm going to sustain the objection as it relates to the manner of death.
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It does not say murder, but in regards to the best evidence rule, again, under 1102 and the Utah Constitution that permits reliable hearsay,
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So that's considered a reliable hearsay because it's a report.
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And would you mind relating what the doctor reports as the manner of death?
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nothing further judge well at this moment i think it'd be a great idea that we take a 15 minute
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break right we'll go ahead and go on break we'll come back at uh 3 25 and all right so 10 minutes
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uh they're gonna so she's uh he's gonna get grilled by this defense attorney i already know
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with this witness at that time court is in a brief recess
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all right so we'll see what happens it's gonna be back in 10 minutes let me read some super chats
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i was dealing with that crap this morning dude literally dude like incredible incredible what
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a scumbag but yeah i'll see i'm uh appealing and i got all of his transactions i had to show
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that the service is rendered and we'll go from there but yeah dude what a scumbag bro what a
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scumbag gg season uh is this investigator british sounds like it yep this is why i've never liked
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scammers bro oh my god dude they deserve jail on a whole other level what's up myron oss takeover
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on tiktok i appreciate you my friend yeah uh brett should be giving you guys a bunch of uh
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mod things and here's the thing it sucks for you guys because now you guys can't like get
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involved in a show with myrongainsex.com because some dude decided to be a moron
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you know what i mean he ruins it for everybody
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not sure if you covered the air force officer that was arrested no i didn't hear about that
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also guys don't forget to give this facebook page a follow what are we at here
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979 almost at a thousand so check this out israel's words isolate iran uh isolate israel instead
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so basically the gulf man saudi's leading talks to pull iran into a regional security
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pact a non-aggression framework built on cold war europe's helensky model less washington more
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neighbors qatar's prime minister put it plainly part of what we are doing now as regional countries
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Iran gets drawn in, and Israel gets left standing outside.
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that the United States can't protect them,
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and they're also realizing that Israel is reckless
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for um for the golf states dude big big red pill for them so a lot of them are waking up man a lot
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of them are waking up so um let's see here what else we got let me look for this air force officer
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that you guys messed with um army mel says don't agree with 100 of your takes but you made it to
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the front page of rumble need more debates got to give you credit a lot of people uh do
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i'm on the front page rumble right now i don't think i am dude
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arrested the Capitol for calling for Trump impeachment.
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The president and vice president must be impeached,
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okay, is this the guy you're talking about, dude?
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hold on, let me just make sure I have the right one
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okay, Air Force officer, yeah, I think this is him
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thanks to all you guys that joined up in the oss just now i appreciate you guys man
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makes me feel a little bit better about the um loser that uh did all the chargebacks
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it's crazy because he sent in super chats and i read them all and he still did that you know
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i mean it's like bro i i hate scammers dude i hate scammers so much
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if if the paypal doesn't come back i am literally gonna i'm gonna we're gonna roast that dude i
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have his email address and everything we're gonna we're gonna cook him you don't do that to people
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dude that's literally stealing uh speedy says did you hear ben gavir cancels the trip to nyc because
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of calls for his arrest i believe it snow young says apparently uh that hearsay law
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same into effect your okay snow young bro please man come on guys bro i tell you guys all the time
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in oss bro please grammar and spell check before you guys send super chats in bro
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i think what you mean to say is apparently that hearsay law came into effect
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this year in may that's what valhalla was saying not sure if it's true
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no that that's always been the general when it comes to hearsay bro
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yeah i don't want to put him on blast yet because i'm gonna try to get a handle with paypal
06:14:28.340
i don't want to come off as like vindictive or whatever but he's ruining your guys's like
06:14:33.460
because a lot of you guys like might not watch on kick or some of you guys don't know how to
06:14:37.020
super chat whatever on oss so he kind of like ruined your guys ability to ask questions
06:14:41.980
you know what i mean for no reason for absolutely no reason
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yeah i i won't expose them until it's like last last resort dude i'm gonna try to i'm gonna try
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to resolve it amicably first i'm gonna try to resolve it amicably first oh what's up frank
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you want to say what's up to everybody come on over i'm on tiktok your favorite platform oh okay
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how you doing you good okay all right all right
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all right let's see okay the they're still going
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helps with the headaches okay um there was something else i wanted to show you guys
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brett needs to drop the clip of i broke down the whole um
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i literally broke down the the whole jideon thing
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and yelling at the cops that he's a multi-millionaire after a video where he basically
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yeah that was bad that's what happens when you become rich young dude you become you get me you
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become a you become a pompous uh rude individual bro being rich young is is the worst thing that
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can happen to you as a man bro he tried to prank a squatter out of a house went terribly wrong so
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he just released an apology video that i think is very very interesting where he announced that he
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is completely done with streaming forever he's never gonna stream again i don't believe that
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i don't believe that he also said that he was gonna make like christian content
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bro you guys gotta understand you can't when you're someone like jadeon and you're getting
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millions of views like you can't you know his ego got the best of him you know i mean he's in his
06:17:45.300
20s he ain't going nowhere bro and i'll be honest with y'all like he's not really a smart guy so
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it's like he doesn't really have any other skill sets besides like making videos you know i mean
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like he won't be able to like convert his skill sets from like doing youtube to like
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do something else that make sense like i'm not trying to be a jerk or whatever but it's like
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just the truth he's been rich since his young 20s early 20s never really developed any other
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skill sets before besides like pranking and making content like there's no way he's not
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gonna he's gonna stop streaming uh bb says was it the one dial doing chargebacks on his ebt card
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no it wasn't him me when i see frank now yawn uh they're saying mitch mcconnell's brain dead
06:18:37.200
And he's basically throwing his hands up and said he was wrong,
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And to that end, you started reviewing even more UVU video
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Okay. What, if anything else, either did you do or happened initially that helped you identify who that shooter was?
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So there was hundreds of hours of video that was reviewed, but the predominant focus, again, was on tracking the individual from the roof,
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or trying to trace the steps of the individual prior to the shooting.
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And we were able to do that through a combined effort of individuals.
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And the focus was having people reviewing video identify people
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who could fit the original description of the individual that jumped off the roof.
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Okay. At that point, so at this point, approximately how many hours of UVU video do you think you personally had seen or watched?
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Myself, maybe 10 or 20 hours of video being called in to look at different camera angles and different views of individuals.
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But there was a large team of people reviewing video.
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yeah from the view or so yeah and that's common guys with cases like this like i remember for the
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um uh the um oh my god um the boston marathon bombing case bro i was looking at video
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like dude like you get oh it's all hands on deck when when you got something like that
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you know i remember reviewing video uh back in 2013 when i was working for the government
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with that with that case of them sbi agents yes correct and combined uh how much video do you
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think you watched that first day on the 10th it would be in the tens or hundreds of hours of video
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was reviewed okay uh did anything else come along that helped you identify who that shooter might be
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Yeah, eventually on the evening of the 11th, we received word from Washington County
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that an individual in that area had reached out to law enforcement
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and was wanting to turn themselves in for the incident at UVU.
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And did you, at that point in time, did you receive a name from Washington County?
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What, if anything, did you do with that information, the name title, Robinson?
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That information was given to our SIAC or our state information and analysis group,
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and they put together what would be called a workup.
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So they would look at driver's license records, DMV records to determine addresses,
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obtain pictures of individuals, and then any associated vehicles or things like that.
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Now, to be honest with you guys, I run my own checks.
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I don't like giving it to analysts to do that shit.
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that was actually one of my favorite things to do was get all their stuff right um but you know
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you could give it to one of the analysts and do that for you they run them through all the dmv
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records everything you got addresses utility listings all that so was that done with mr
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robinson it was yes driver's license record was pulled yes did that include if you remember or
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do you know did that include a photograph of mr robinson it did include a photograph of mr
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robinson yes how about an address and date of birth there was an address and a date of birth
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and I believe a DMV record with an associated vehicle.
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So that DMV record did include a vehicle that was associated with Mr. Robinson?
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Do you remember what the make and model of the vehicle was
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and I believe there were two registered owners of the vehicle.
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Mr. Robinson and then his mother. Do you recall whether or not a date of birth
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was included in that driver's license information that you got initially? Yeah
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I believe the actual driver's license record was shared so it would have
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included a date of birth. All right with Mr. well with Tyler Robinson's personal
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information were you able to expand your search at all yes once we knew a vehicle that we were
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looking for and we had an actual image of the individual then we were able to use that video
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footage to to try and track that specific individual okay and I'm sorry let me clarify
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So when I said expand your search, I'm referencing the UVU surveillance video.
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And were you able to identify in that expanded search, or did you believe you located that challenger?
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Okay. Were you able to determine at what time or times Mr. Robinson visited the UVU campus on September 10th?
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Yeah, we were able to establish that Mr. Robinson had been on campus approximately four times throughout the day, twice before the shooting, the time of the shooting, and then after the shooting later in the evening into the early hours of the 11th.
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hey tiktok people if you guys want me to stay on tiktok you guys better smash
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that button what are we sitting at we're at 84 we need a 200k guys
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200k and i'll stay on tiktok a little bit longer otherwise i'm gonna go straight to kick
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You said that you initially tracked the shooter forward and backward with UVU surveillance video.
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Yes, using the UVU footage and additional information that was obtained, yes.
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and I believe you said that in total Mr. Robinson visited the UVU campus four times that day
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yes that's correct and let's just be clear that's all based on UVU surveillance video
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is that fair to say that's correct yes okay have you um have you reviewed what's been marked
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States Exhibit 12.1 for identification? I have, yes. Okay. And, well, let me, before we go there,
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does the video include the 10th and the 11th or just the 10th? The video I've seen includes the
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10th and then a very small portion, I think, about 030 of the 11th. Okay. And I think you said
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initially you watched about 20 hours of video? Yes. Since that time have you
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watched additional video? Yes. UVU surveillance video? Yes. Okay and who
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provided the UVU surveillance video to you? It was part of the collection of
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videos that was provided by Mr. Olson and his team that we already discussed
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previously okay of the of all the hours of video that you've watched do you have
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an idea of how many hours include mr. Robinson or his vehicle just with UVU or
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And let's be clear, this is someone you believe to be Tyler Robinson.
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And this person that you've identified as Tyler Robinson that you've been investigating
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and that you viewed in the numerous hours of video from UVU,
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would you recognize that person if he were in the courtroom today?
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Would you point him out and describe something that he's wearing?
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i know we object to um of course of course we object he can't identify i'm in the courtroom
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even though he's right next to me unduly suggestive in court identification for constitutional grounds
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do you wish to specify an unduly constitutional
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I'm trying to understand your objections I want to make sure I fully understand
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your honor I think there's some you know deferred to
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Mr. Byrd if he wants to jump in but I believe there's a long line
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of case law that says and you ask someone to identify the defendant
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when they're the only person, you know, sitting at the table with defense counsel,
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that that's unduly suggestive and taints any future or past, well, definitely future, identification.
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So we object to that happening in this fashion at this time.
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Judge, Agent Hull has testified that he has watched numerous hours of video.
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He has looked at personal identifying information of an individual by the name of Tyler Robinson.
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He's looked at the driver's license record, and he's also looked at the DMV records
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and has been able to determine what car that person drives.
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He's also looked at surveillance video that he believes depicts this Tyler Robinson.
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And I've simply asked him if that person that he has seen,
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both in driver's license photos and the surveillance video if that person is here in the courtroom
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today and i don't know that that's unduly prejudicial or suggestive it's the routine
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i i don't know of any other way to do it other than the way i just did it judge
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all right well i wanted to verify the format of the question i would remember it in my mind
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But to Ms. Nestor, was that an accurate portrayal of the question that was asked?
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Mr. Sturgill, anything further before I issue my ruling?
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No, other than Judge, I believe it's worth noting that Mr. Robinson is in plain clothes.
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All right, they're going to do a quick little sidebar.
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Yeah, the defense is going to do anything, bro, to like, you know,
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So they're obviously turning off the mic so they can talk a little bit.
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all right uh here's what i'm talking about based off of what's been presented in court
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i'm not having it back to the true crime finding that particular question
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as previously posed as suggestive um i find for the purposes of this hearing only keep smashing
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that like button guys that's what gets the views up i'm figuring it out let's get to 250 ninjas
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The in-court identification by Agent Hull of Mr. Robinson.
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If you guys enjoy a true crime, follow the page.
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Again, this only relates to the preliminary hearing, and you may proceed.
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Agent Hull, have you reviewed what's been marked state's exhibit 12.1 for identification?
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was provided to me I reviewed it on my computer in my office okay and and is
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that the first time that you've seen this particular video footage this
06:32:11.040
particular version of the footage yes okay so this particular version the
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first time but have you seen the video that that that comprises I guess exhibit
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12.1 yeah I have seen the original videos if that's your question yes so so
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what is state's exhibit 12.1 how would you describe it I would describe it as
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a compilation of the video that we obtained from Utah Valley University
06:32:41.340
during the course of the investigation that depicts the movements of the
06:32:46.780
individual I believe to be mr. Robinson moving around the campus on September
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10th 2025 into the morning of september 11th 2025 did you prepare uh this video compilation
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i did not okay do you know who did uh yes utah county attorney's office i believe ms derfleur
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is the one that produced the video okay do you know ms derfleur's first name kimberly okay
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uh what if anything did you do to authenticate the video uh in this compilation i reviewed the
06:33:16.760
video to make sure that it was a reflection of what I understood the
06:33:21.200
original videos to show okay what if anything else did you do I reviewed it
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I know that there was some some zooms and some changes to the footage okay did
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you meet with mr. Olson with regards to this particular video yes this video was
06:33:41.360
also part of that original meeting with mr. Olson for the prior exhibit yes okay
06:33:45.860
So at the same time you sat down with Mr. Olson and
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So I believe the well the the 1102 statement that you gathered from him is exhibit 12.3 correct? Yes
06:34:07.860
So the same time that you gathered that 12.3 or that that
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you talked to him about this specific exhibit as well yes mr. Olson was shown
06:34:19.560
this exhibit and did he include that in that 1102 statement yeah I believe he
06:34:25.900
specifically referenced the exhibit by name stating that it was a true
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and let's just go back to what you were stating earlier um to you it appears to be a compilation
06:34:47.060
of videos that you've already seen correct that you received as a mass dump i guess for lack of
06:34:52.700
we're sitting at 210 guys let's get it up to 250 let's go 250 ninjas 250 quarter quarter million
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taps better term if you view video is that fair to say yes okay and the the
06:35:05.780
exhibit 12.1 does it appear to be the same as the the raw video that you've
06:35:14.960
seen previously it does yes are there are there some minor are there any added
06:35:21.380
additions or anything different about this particular exhibit there are some
06:35:24.520
portions of the video where um a zoom is initiated which wasn't a function of the cameras
06:35:29.400
i believe some specific individuals have been blurred from the footage
06:35:33.060
and i believe there are some red circles to show thank you guys for tapping bro we're gonna take
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over on tiktok if i honestly if i um if i just start um doing true crime on here for you guys
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like we'll take over bro literally we will take over if i just come over here and just do true
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crime because i'll be honest the other stuff is going to get me banned bro i can't say the other
06:35:55.240
stuff i want to talk about but i could i could uh go on tiktok for the true crime poignant
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information or individuals within the footage itself okay so other than the red circles the blur
06:36:04.880
and the zoom uh does it appear to accurately who was on the stand this is uh special agent
06:36:10.800
david ho with the uh state bureau of investigation guys sbi it's right here he was the lead
06:36:15.780
investigator in the beginning of the charlie kirk assassination you depict uh what you've seen in the
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So he did a lot of the early investigative stuff?
06:36:32.620
On your screen, I'm going to have displayed an image.
06:37:00.740
is it there we're back okay we're back so do you recognize what this is yeah this is the first
06:37:11.700
frame of the video compilation that we just referenced and again this video portrays what
06:37:19.700
you believe is mr. Robinson visiting campus that day correct okay and is it
06:37:23.360
throughout the day it is yes and then I believe he said into the early morning
06:37:37.860
just as the state would see there would move to admit what's been marked states
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Exhibit 12.1. Ms. Nestor. Your Honor, we have objections to its admissibility. This is a compilation video that was put together from a bunch of different sources by the county attorney's office.
06:38:05.620
This individual did not create this compilation, can't testify to the accuracy of the actual materials that it was taken from.
06:38:20.280
And furthermore, Mr. Olson himself is just referred to by Agent Hall.
06:38:28.840
He specifically says people have altered these recordings.
06:38:33.080
They've zoomed in when the actual recording isn't zoomed.
06:38:36.640
They've added little circles to people they want you to pay attention to.
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And it's not, I mean, they admit it's been altered.
06:38:47.440
So we have real concern about authenticity of it.
06:38:50.820
Furthermore, this particular video should be protected.
06:38:55.120
And so that deals with the admissibility factor.
06:38:57.600
As far as the publication factor of it, the video should be classified as protected.
06:39:03.080
under UCJA 4-202.02, subsection 5, J as in jelly bean, and then little I and little double I,
06:39:18.080
because this is going to interfere with the defense's ongoing investigation with Mr. Tyler's ability,
06:39:24.140
I mean with Mr. Robinson's ability to get a fair trial.
06:39:26.940
This is basically putting together photos that are clear with photos that aren't clear, putting them all together in such a format that it makes the case that it's all one person.
06:39:43.700
It would be extremely prejudicial for people that may ultimately serve on this jury to watch this video before this case goes to trial.
06:39:53.000
We don't believe a proper foundation has been laid, which would make it admissible at this point.
06:39:58.460
So the fact that it would be shown to the public would be extremely damaging to the ability to put on a defense at trial.
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And so we object to its publication both in the courtroom and to the media, Your Honor.
06:40:17.060
the the videos is detector of as a sergeant hole has testified to is it's
06:40:27.440
a compilation of raw videos that he has received from Utah Valley University and
06:40:33.740
he has not only seen this video but he has seen all the raw footage and by his
06:40:40.280
estimation or according to his testimony these are all videos that that are
06:40:45.580
accurate and and they depict what the raw footage depicts other than those
06:40:50.260
minor additions judge if you refer to mr. Olson's written statement it's
06:40:55.420
plaintiffs exhibit 12.3 he too has reviewed this video and he is also
06:41:04.040
identified this video as being accurate with the exception of those additions in
06:41:10.000
his words it's the zooms and the red highlights they weren't part of the
06:41:13.820
original recording according to Mr. Olson but other than that as he states
06:41:21.140
the same as Agent Hull these videos are accurate and they were captured by UVU
06:41:26.720
surveillance video. Do you have a version of this video that does not have
06:41:37.060
alterations such as zooming or circling my concern is that if the 1102 says
06:41:45.720
what it says about the videos these were the videos right but then it was altered
06:41:50.840
and typically an exhibit which has been altered and if it wasn't done by the
06:41:56.400
person who supplied the 1102 that that can become problematic and so do you
06:42:01.860
have a version of of this exhibit that does not have the zooming in or the circling again i don't
06:42:08.320
know all the alterations that were made but that seems to fall outside the 1102 because you don't
06:42:13.840
have we're sitting at 237 guys tap it up let's get to a quarter million tap it up guys let's get to
06:42:21.680
50 250 000 a person testifying i love no two saying i made the alterations right and so that
06:42:29.020
That's the concern of what Ms. Nestor was talking about as it relates to the state's evidence.
06:42:39.500
Again, I don't know when they were made, what they were made, how much was done to manipulate the video.
06:42:47.140
And I say manipulate to not saying in a nefarious way, but I don't know what the scope of that is
06:42:54.040
and how much it deviates from what was the original form.
06:43:01.780
do we have a version of this particular video that has not been altered?
06:43:10.780
I guess there's a couple of things I'd simply like to point out, Judge,
06:43:15.960
and that is that we have two witnesses who have watched the raw footage.
06:43:23.200
and Mr. Olson in the form of his written statement.
06:43:37.200
Judge, I will proffer that those changes made to the video
06:43:42.560
Hey, Jerry Loss, nobody cares if you think it's boring.
06:43:51.920
i know you can't pay attention because you got a tiktok brain
06:43:55.440
but enjoy the shadow room i know who that person is we could actually call that person as a witness
06:44:02.660
if that would cure that um and we're prepared to do that if necessary but judge i i think uh that
06:44:11.400
our our burden is to simply authenticate you know what this is and it is it is a video
06:44:23.800
that really don't change the substance of the video
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They depict what the cameras captured on September 10th and the 11th.
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And we have two people who have seen that raw footage
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and they've explained that's the only difference
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between what we have originally in the original videos
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And the additions, I will submit, Judge, were only added...
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come on over to kit guys bmerc thank you very much gave you two hours on on tiktok come on over
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to kit guys it's free you don't gotta download that you can literally just click the link no
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ads either it's better than youtube way better than youtube no ads at all drop the link guys
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i'm ending the uh tiktok stream so i don't have to censor myself because i ain't gonna lie bro
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i'm tired i can't swear it's really annoying i can't show you guys anything i can't fucking say
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anything I want to say. So come on over to Kit, guys. I am getting off of TikTok. Getting off
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of TikTok. Come on over, guys. TikTok stream is going to go down now. Trying to have to censor
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myself. Can't swear. It's really annoying. I dropped the link in the chat. Mod dropped the
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link in the chat. Come on over, guys, so we can uncensor ourselves. All right. Let's go and just
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come on over. Come on over. It's that time. Now we can be finally racist again.
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all right anything further from the parties
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all right i'm gonna go ahead and i'm sustaining the objection uh typically in when exhibits are
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admitted to the court it is without alteration if a party circles an exhibit a photograph
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that's not the original format and i do not have the person who made the alteration
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uh an 1102 to substantiate that and what i have is the original video and mr all of a sudden saying
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this is the video minus the alterations and we have agent hall saying this is the video and
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there are alterations but i'm missing a link and and it may be minor yeah they're going to bring
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that guy in now but in in this type of case i want to be thorough and i want to make sure that
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what is minor is still important and for those reasons i'm going to sustain the objection
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and all right she got one bit to the parties on how you wish to handle the video in the future i
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don't want to provide guys yeah they're going to bring they're going to bring this olsen guy in
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now unless they don't need it they got more they probably got more evidence so they might not have
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to bring him in for but for trial now they know he has to come in i didn't see the way of course
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right but as it stands today uh this exhibit states exhibits 12.1 is not admitted okay
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yeah those agents are gonna go out tonight to talk to this dude hey you got it coming tomorrow
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buddy i already know they're about to go to that nigga's house tonight bruh matter of fact let's
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They're sending an agent right now as we speak
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he's talking with his other prosecutor and we were able to locate the footage of his vehicle
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on that ring doorbell camera or at least what you believe is his his vehicle the vehicle we
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believe to belong to mr. yes and is there something about this particular video and
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And this, I guess, vehicle that was captured that leads you to believe that it was Mr. Robinson's vehicle?
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But in terms of the video footage that we were reviewing, the wheels on the vehicle are fairly unique and stand out on the video footage.
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So again, this is video that you received early on in the investigation.
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and then in preparation for the preliminary hearing you went back out and you you met with
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someone about this video correct who specifically did you meet with about this video met with mrs
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noble and what did you do with miss noble uh we did what we had done before we had a specific file
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that we wanted or files that we wanted her to verify the footage itself is is broken into i
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believe 10 second segments so we had specific files that we had her view and confirmed that
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they were actually from her system those were written on the 1102 as they have been before
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okay and who wrote who wrote those file names on this particular statement i believe it would be
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my handwriting on the 1102 all right what did you do next uh we had uh view the videos and then
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complete a statement verifying the the authenticity of those videos on the 1102 okay was this also
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prepared on a state bureau form i believe this was on a state bureau investigations form yes
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and in this particular form on which miss noble provided her statement does it have the advisory
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that it would be used in lieu of her testimony here today it does yes does it also contain a
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warning that if she gave a false statement she would be punished or it's punishable by a class
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a misdemeanor correct okay i'm gonna have displayed on your monitor what's been marked
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state's exhibit number 13 for identification let me know when you see that would you
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i can see that okay i'm going to have um my assistant scroll through that slowly
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you recognize that i do yes what is that it's the 1102 that myself and agent davis uh collected
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from uh miss noble okay and it appears does it appear to be in the same condition as when you
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collected it it does yes this is a copy right all right real quick b-merc suleiman amari um
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tpc films fnf speed thank you guys so much for the gift of subs bro
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appreciate you ninjas and then as far as super chats go um blow says uh hey man right now i'm
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fired for my old job but i'm getting a new job very soon once i start working should i do my
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nine to five door dash to not only have six months uh to a year of savings but also to pay for a side
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also that will make me 10k a month yeah you got to do both or should i invest in a bitcoin and
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treat it as my emergency fund while i find another side also on the side um you just need to have
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cash bro don't worry about crypto right now you need you just need to have money you just need to
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have money you're poor you you just had you just got to get money right now okay um and and honestly
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to make as much money as you possibly can right now.
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government. I don't know if you have covered already,
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attorneys and badges are battling pretty hard. Yeah.
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should a man who has one child consider marrying a woman who has two children from a previous
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relationship particularly if she was in that relationship for 11 years she said only two
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sexual partners in a lifetime maternity would be would he be better suited for marrying someone
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to marrying someone who has no children fewer than five previous sexual partners okay i think i
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understand your question it was again horribly written guys please fucking spell check your
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questions bro what the fuck man um and grammar check your questions um to answer to answer it
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though um look you got a kid she got two kids just be careful i'm not a fan of getting with
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single moms but you're gonna do it anyway more than likely so you got a kid she got a kid you
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guys can probably make it work she got two kids just uh don't go too hard to invest too much and
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spend too much money you got to be very careful bro because you got to remember when you marry
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a single mom and you got kids you're going to build an attachment to her kids naturally
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so i think you're better off getting a girl that don't got kids bro
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i think you're way better off getting a girl that don't got kids
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but if you really want to get with a girl that already has two kids
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you know that's on you but that's a huge risk bro huge risk you're putting yourself under
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and the personal identifying information appears to be redacted is that right it has been redacted
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it wasn't redacted when you collected it right no no the original form was not redacted so other
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Other than the redactions, it appears to be in the same condition as it was when you collected that.
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I know we renew our concern about unconstitutional hearsay being admitted.
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We also have the same concerns about the fact that Agent Hole amended this himself,
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and there's no foundation as to when he filled that in,
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And due to all those reasons, we object to its admission
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Judge, again, it was collected in compliance with Rule 1102
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and it was collected by agent hole it's also collected in compliance and being
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introduced as reliable hearsay which is lawful to do here in Utah under the
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state Constitution article 1 section 12 do you wish to lay more foundation about
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when the statement was written whether it was before it was signed or not I can
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do that judge I appreciate that yes agent hold do you recall when you
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collected this written statement from Ms. Noble? Yes, it was in April. In April, do you know what
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day? April 6th, I believe. Okay. And you collected it, did you go to her home? I think, is that what
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you said? Yes, myself and Agent Davis went to the residence. Okay, and did you sit there while she
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prepared it? I did, yes. And did you witness her sign it? I did, yes. Okay. At this point, I'd move to
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All right, and to the state representative, could you scroll down?
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All right, pursuant to the Utah Rule of Evidence 1102 and Article 1, Section 28, I'm sorry,
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Article 1, Section 12, which allows for a reliable hearsay.
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I'm going to move it into, it's going to be admitted into evidence over the objection of defense.
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I note in particular that it states that I confirmed that the above files were taken from our Nest doorbell videos and are accurate.
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and right before that statement is the notations that were allegedly made by Agent Hull.
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And so for those reasons, the court finds proper foundation has been laid
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and that this exhibit in its entirety is admitted into evidence.
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As it relates to publication, I will authorize publication in the courtroom
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and by the media, if they so wish to capture it in that form.
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I have it on that first portion of the screen for about 10 seconds
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and then scroll down to the written portion for about 15 seconds
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and then scroll to the very bottom to ensure that the full exhibit has been displayed.
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It looks like I confirm that the above files were taken from our Nest doorbell videos and are accurate videos taken on September 10th and 11th, 2025 and provided voluntarily.
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And then this is from Cinzia DeNoble, April 6th, 2026.
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All right, that concludes the publication of State's Exhibit 13.
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the um the video that you took with you that day when you visited with noble or miss noble
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um had you had you previously well you've stated that the videos that you showed uh the nobles were
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actually more than one video correct okay and i believe you said they were like 10 second clips
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if i recall correctly short clips okay and and you showed miss noble all of those uh all of
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those videos that are identified in that statement the one shown on the on the statement were shown
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to miss noble yes okay have you had a chance to review what's been marked state's exhibit number
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12.2 yes okay and when did you have a chance to review that exhibit I believe
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that was reviewed last week I believe okay with with yourself okay and and
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does that video is it a single video that you watched no I believe it's four
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separate short videos okay and as far as and I understand that but as far as 12.2
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is concerned what does that exhibit consist of I chose the vehicle believed
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to be driven by mr. Robinson arriving in front of the residence an individual
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exiting the vehicle and moving away from it followed by an individual returning
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to the vehicle and unlocking it and then it shows the vehicle short time later
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starting and leaving the area and and those are the videos that you showed
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What I have displayed on your monitor was Ben Mark's plaintiffs or States Exhibit 12.2 for identification.
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Let me know as soon as you see should be a still image.
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It's there. Do you recognize what's depicted there? Yeah, this is the view looking
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what would essentially be west across the street from the nobles' residence.
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Your Honor, we renew our objection to allowing in
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God damn, this bitch don't know how to use the mic
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I do have some concerns because I'm not totally sure if this is a compilation
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or if this is just one of the one, two, three, four, five, at least six videos
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they took from the nobles so if we get out of that clarification I think that
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that concerns me about authenticity that I don't understand if this is just a
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portion or if this is the whole thing or is this is all of them or none of them
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and for those reasons we object to the admission and to publication. Thank you
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Mr. Sturgill. That's a good point and I'll ask additional questions before I
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re-seek to admit it. Agent Hull this particular video you've described taking
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several videos to Ms. Noble and having a review them yes okay this particular
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exhibit 12.2 you watched it in its entirety yes does it consist of either
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some or all of those videos that you showed Ms. Noble it does yes and is it a
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single video is it a compilation that is to say or is it four different videos
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or a number of different videos be a number of short videos sequenced okay a
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Given my previous rulings on exhibits, I applied the same analysis and find that State's Exhibit 12.2, I believe,
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and uh what well let's go ahead and play it is there any sound associated with this
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there is judge but it's it's night sounds it's crickets chirping and um okay i just wanted to
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see if there was i just wanted to see if there was sound or not yeah the judge doesn't want no
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gunshots or anything violent being shown to the press on okay all right you may play it's like
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dude everyone's seen it already video but i get it like they're trying to make it fair
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So on the first part of that video, what do you see?
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The vehicle we believe to be driven by Mr. Robinson pulling up and parking across the
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And then in the next video, what do you believe is displayed in that video?
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There's an individual who gets out of the vehicle.
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You can hear the door close and then that individual moves away from the front of the
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There's actually two reflective panels on a dumpster and you can see the individual
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The second to last one, the individual comes back across those reflective panels to the
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And then in the last video the vehicle is started and an individual drives away
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We might not get a chance to hear the cross from the defense today.
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so i guess jd on really did quit youtube huh this gotta be cat bro this is gonna be probably
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be a lawyer prepared statement so um this is genuinely gonna be my last video ever like this
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i'm never gonna make a video like this again but you know uh obviously you guys know what's all
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going on you guys saw me getting arrested you guys saw a cold blues video and everything
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and um i did a reaction to it kind of like oh no this wasn't right this is how it happened
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but genuinely during the last few weeks i've done a lot of did you take that video down
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i'm like a decade older than him bro like what bro i'm literally 10 years older than this guy
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uh okay they got they took like a five minute recess
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just like in word reflection and i've been talking to my fiance a lot
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and i just kind of came to realize you know wait fiance this nigga's about to get married
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and i also came to realize that truly your boy was spiraling you know um i was genuinely genuinely
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genuinely losing the plot and i have to say like genuinely i feel like a hypocrite you know
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all right we got a word counter for genuinely just a couple videos ago i was saying how what
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alex was doing was a distraction from the bigger mission and then i come along doing what i was
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doing and if anything it was an even bigger distraction from the mission you know what i
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mean now i had to pay six plus figures for my lawyer fees and then my fans lawyer fees wait
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wait wait wait oh okay for his fans okay i was about to say wait nigga why are you paying six
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figures for a fucking misdemeanor okay but he's paying for the the dudes that he got jammed up
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for those of you guys that didn't see it um he got two of his fans arrested too
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is in everything and that money could have been used for the betterment of society but now it's
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being used in the legal system you know what i mean and it's just yo jadeon stop making these
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bitch ass nigga apology videos bro like fucking stop stop this is so fucking gay they're not
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gonna forgive you anyway they're always gonna roast you like bro just be 10 toes down get back
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with alex rose until everybody go suck a dick do what the fuck you want to do and tell them to get
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the fuck out of here bro you are audience captured so badly and it's fucking painful dude it has made
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you a fucking faggot holy shit holy shit you've been on youtube this long and you've not learned
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don't apologize to these fucking faggots bro ever what are you doing
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it's like you're at a crossroads now you're either going to be a supplicating audience captured
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faggot that doesn't do what they want to do and is always terrified of everything that they do
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with the backlash or you're gonna say fuck this shit i'm gonna do what i want to do lose some
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subscribers who cares who gives a fuck they're retarded children anyway nine out of ten of them
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they're probably black they're probably stupid they're probably low iq they probably think like
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racism is real they probably get offended at everything like get them out of here bro
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thank you come again who cares who cares bro who cares just be yourself
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lose some goddamn weight you look like shit you're fat as fuck get your health in control
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dust yourself off and get back up and stop being a bitch man what the fuck
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like it's not that hard bro i quit that's some faggotry that's some straight faggotry
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fucking soft bro so fucking soft that's the thing with these niggas bro it's like here's the issue
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right this is why young streamers are like they don't fucking get it bro you have the privilege
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of a fucking lifetime this is why becoming rich young is a fucking curse man i've been telling
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y'all this for years the worst thing that can happen to a young man is losing the privilege
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of fucking suffering i'm gonna say that again for all you fucking faggots that are watching
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the worst thing that can happen to a young man is losing the privilege of suffering because when
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you suffer you become a man okay you think if jideon went to the gym you know fucking played
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sports for real had a real job had to build himself up he would give a fuck about what
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some fucking retards on the internet say no he'd have more resolve he wouldn't quit over
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some retarded fucking comments on youtube but since he never built up that fucking ability to
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deal with adverse uh adversity as a young man and got money quickly got fame quickly he didn't build
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up that fucking resolve now anything that hits him oh i don't know if i want to do this oh
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and here's the thing if you guys don't believe me look at him look at him if you don't believe
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me he's fat he's out of shape he clearly doesn't give a fuck about himself he's bald as fuck in
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his 20s he looks like shit this is a man just straight up that doesn't give a fuck his body
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is an outward manifestation of his fucking pussiness and laziness
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This guy's like 10 plus years younger than me
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then you'll be able to stand up to all these fucking retards
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Have you apologizing every other fucking day.
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and know who your real fucking friends are.
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Ha, ha, let's make content off this shit, blah, blah.
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Go take a month off, go to the fucking gym
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And this is our manifestation of your fucking laziness
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and come back hard and tell everybody to go fuck off
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and stop making these bitch ass apology videos
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make up with Alex and stop being a fucking faggot man
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That's why you Gen Z niggas are fucking bitches, bro.
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I had to bully my brother so he wouldn't become a faggot like that
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because I knew these young motherfuckers were going to be soft.
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As soon as I saw these niggas with fucking iPhones at seven years old
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and iPads, I was like, yeah, these dudes are about to be some fucking bitches.
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These dudes are about to be some fucking faggots.
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The problem though is that these fat ass niggas can't dash
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you guys are some fucking bitch ass nigga faggots bro
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a lot of you have never been punched in the face
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a lot of you have never dealt with any type of adversity
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a lot of you guys never had to like work a real fucking
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You gotta run a fucking mile in 10 minutes
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A lot of you niggas can't even do 20 pushups
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How dare you tell a girl I'm going to pull up when you can't even do a pull up?
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I'm in better shape than 90% of you fucking young ass faggots.
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I got a bad fucking back, former division one athlete, several injuries.
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In better shape than most of these fucking 20 year olds.
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how do i know this because i meet these niggas when we collab for real out of shape look like
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shit on steroids can't run a fucking mile hell fucking all fucked the health all fucked up
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blood work fucked up eat like shit do drugs what is this what's wrong with this generation
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you guys are fucking lazy bitch ass niggas bro it's insane it's seriously insane and i've been
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with you fucking 20-year-old niggas for a while.
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You let women walk all over you, bitch-ass niggas.
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You've never done a manual labor job in your life.
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this generation of men you guys are some fucking
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we need to bring back mandatory fucking competition
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this nigga gets a little bit of hate on his YouTube
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you know how people would fucking kill to have that opportunity
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you better not fucking quit idiot lose the fucking way come back as a fucking man
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make up with Alex catch pedos stop being a bitch-ass nigga and that's the realest shit
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anyone on the internet is ever gonna fucking tell you because everyone else is prying on
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your fucking downfall fatty don't fucking quit holy shit man in fucking credible bro
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in fucking credible this generation of young men dude you guys are fucking cooked man
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Every time I talk to these fucking 20 year old guys
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I don't know what the fuck is in the water
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Sorry guys, I've had that shit pent up for a while
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I didn't mean to take it all out on fucking
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I'm trying to tell you guys, this shit is a generational problem
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Brett's gonna know exactly what I'm talking about
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they're awkward they're weird i've had to tell a couple of these young guys hey what's wrong with
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you well you know i'm just nervous you gotta stop that you can't you can't do that that's weird
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that's impolite it's fucking strange i'm telling you this because i give a fuck you can't behave
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like this this is weirdo fucking behavior no one else is going to tell you so i'm gonna tell you
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it. The way you approached me was fucking retarded. Don't do it again. Ever. I've done
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that before. A lot of these fucking young guys, they come up to me. They behave that
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way. I tell them, dude, you cannot, you can't do this. I'd rather I tell you this. So when
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you show up on a job interview or you meet someone, they don't have a fucking bad, they
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don't have a bad perception of you. I know you niggas are weird. I accept this. I understand
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Brett will tell you he's in the chat right now.
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We've been talking about making a video about this for over
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He's like, what the fuck is this? He was shocked
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and how dudes would come up to me and be so awkward.
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Gentlemen, let me give you guys some fucking tips.
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know their fucking name when you walk up stick out your hand firm look them in the fucking eye
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you shake their hand you give them a compliment i'm aware of xyz work that you do thank you for
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that you call them by their name you give a compliment or something that you admire about
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them show thoughtfulness they'll be more likely to engage in a conversation with you don't ever
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fucking come up you're the guy oh oh i don't know your name i've seen you somewhere don't
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fucking do that ever know their fucking name and know something about them so you can start a
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conversation you fucking retards every time i'm at the airport i'm walking around you awkward
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motherfuckers come up and do that stupid shit and i have to fucking tell you don't do that
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i probably tell them that shit but you know what a lot of you niggas that are watching
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probably are weirdos too so look guys never walk up to someone without knowing their name
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it could be a fucking guy that's your boss or a manager of some kind or someone that you want to
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meet always know their name walk up shake their hand nice and firm look them in the eye give them
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a compliment or something that you admire about them and engage in a fucking thoughtful conversations
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Say thank you when you're done and you walk away.
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but I'm realizing that this new generation of men,
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and it makes sense why so many guys struggle with women so i'm gonna do the best that i can to tell
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you guys the tough truth because clearly no one else is telling you guys that you're a bunch of
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retarded faggots so i gotta fucking do it it's like i gotta be the fucking drill sergeant for
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all you niggas because your daddy's a faggot your brother's a softy liberal faggot your sister's a
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whore your mom is dumb i don't fucking know but i guess i gotta teach y'all niggas so i'll do it
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it's gonna be tough love because a lot of you niggas are fucking soft
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soft belly titty having faggots bro all over the place
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anyway pep talk done we'll go to the trial you do an unduly suggestive in court id also
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we believe there's a lack of foundation um establishing his ability to interpret the
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surveillance video and based on that we would object
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all right i note that well to the state do you wish to be heard on what was just stated
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well just i think i think we had this discussion and i think you ruled on that specific objection
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and then after you you ruled i just neglected to come back and follow through with the question
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and the answer that's my recollection of the the bench meeting i believe i stated for the purposes
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I just wanted to clarify that judge because there
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was some question about whether that in fact did happen
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Well, for the benefit of the record and for thoroughness, if you wish to re-ask that
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question, you certainly, well, we can see what happens.
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Would you please point him out and identify something that he is wearing?
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they had to do it they got to do it in a certain way yeah brett's in the chat guys he'll tell you
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man i'm being nice about it bro but man we've had some really strange individuals say some
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dumb shit bro sometimes we happen to tell them bro you can't do this you you can't you can't do
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this you will lose 70 opportunities in life behaving like this and i'd rather be the tough
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asshole that tells them that this is not correct then they continue on through life acting like a
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fucking retard, wondering why they can't get a job.
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Wondering why no one wants to talk to them. Why they can't build
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friends or build a network. I'd rather be the asshole and tell them.
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Yeah, bro, we'll tell you guys, bro. He's there with me.
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I have no judgment. I mean, I've made my objection already.
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Yo, the judge is like, he already, he was like, okay, you got to do it. Bro just waited.
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It was a different exhibit. And we just can't prepare that in the next hour or so. So we're going to need this evening to prepare that exhibit. And we'd like to return with that. Judge, what I would also suggest.
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Yeah, they're probably going to break here soon.
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Well, let's, I guess, let me get your take on that, Judge.
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All right. Does the defense wish to be heard about ending for the day? We have about 19 minutes until five o'clock.
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Like Trev says, speak of facts, learn how to conduct yourself, young fellas.
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Yeah, man, I'm telling you guys, bro, you have to learn this shit, man.
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Internet's not going to save you, bro, from real-life interactions.
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Everyone's cool on the Internet until they meet someone in public.
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Yeah, I know. We're happy to accommodate the state on that.
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They're going to kick off the testimony with him, and then he's going to get crossed.
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We'll resume with your testimony tomorrow morning.
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Well, just one other thing, and it's a suggestion.
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I'm sure Ms. Nestor may have a position with regards to this,
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but, Judge, we would invite you to review the exhibit that we've been talking about today.
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okay um so let me um let's see here let's read some of these chats castle club clan here's a
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funny video from the amazing race if you ever want to view it uh during another break um thank
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you castle club and also by the way guys uh for all you guys if you guys want to go ahead and get
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a sub on um on oss i'm sure miss uh mr castle club here clan might hook you up if he likes you
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mr fernand you didn't get one chest fifth element winners have answers losers have excuses facts
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fucking facts these guys need to learn to not be weird that's from brett fitness says hating on
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steroids you need to have discipline to use steroids bro you take steroids with no discipline
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the steroids won't do shit don't know why you're hating on them you should know yo uh fitness shut
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the fuck up dude how about that one shut the fuck up you're clearly a fucking retard that doesn't
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understand that i'm talking about these young guys that use steroids before they even have a
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foundation of going to the gym so shut the fuck up dude you're a fucking retard you don't know
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anything. You clearly wasn't listening to what I was saying, you fucking moron. I was talking about
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it in the context of young guys using drugs. It's not putting the work into time, you fucking
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faggot. Holy shit, man. What? You probably poke yourself in the fucking ass using drugs.
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Fuck out of here, bro. And honestly, if you're not a professional bodybuilder,
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you shouldn't be using steroids. So shut the fuck up, dude. How about that one? Go suck a
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fucking dick you retard are you a professional bodybuilder you got an IPB card or you don't
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then shut the fuck up no one should be using drugs if you're not a professional bodybuilder bro
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let's fuck out of here with that shit see this is the retarded shit that I'm talking about
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this nigga's retarded that's literally what I'm talking about
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fucking idiot and you're in the OSS too you're a fucking faggot you should know better
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I'd rather kick you faggots out than even take a dollar
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Out of my organization like this fucking retard
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bro you literally got two minutes to fucking apologize for your stupid ass comment you dumb
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ass you know the 20 year olds we got here that watch this shit the fuck you talking about
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endorsing steroids you fucking faggot don't endorse drugs on my shit because let me tell
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you something when they're pissing out blood or they're having the fucking trend sweats
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or their blood pressures through the roof are you gonna be there huh you gonna take them to a doctor
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Are you gonna be there you stupid ass nigga
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nine surgeries in total starting in the third grade through junior. Yeah, bro, I'm dead. I'm
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not even kidding around with your dumb ass. Yo, fitness, you got literally four minutes to
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fucking apologize, you bitch ass nigga. You literally got four minutes to apologize. And
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if you don't, you're getting fucking set to the shadow room. And I'm only even giving you that
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four minutes because you're in the OSS. So you got four fucking minutes to fucking apologize,
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you fucking faggot. And I don't want to hear no fucking pro steroid shit from you ever again,
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fucking dumbass, you don't even know how many young guys
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we got in here, impressible guys, you talking about steroids
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starting in the 3rd grade through my junior year
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This faggot, I apologize if he doesn't bro
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Dude comes in here fucking promoting steroids
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So we're not endorsing that shit over here.
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all right let me all right this is what I'll do because I got a warning from kick earlier
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um we'll analyze the shooting okay we'll analyze the uh the shooting on OSS
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In 1992, a young mother was gunned down in front of her children.
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so we're able to combine two things that we want true crime and racism um and then also uh we'll
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break down the charlie kirk shooting um because i can't show you guys the i'm gonna i'm gonna like
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show the actual shooting but i'm not gonna do it out of respect and then also like so i don't get
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banned we're gonna do it on oss so so i'll uh i'll stay on a little bit longer we'll watch an
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but now you have the right intelligence to guide you.
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but we just kick them out like the fucking fitness retard.
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so um yeah i'm gonna cover the the kirk shooting we have some of the uncensored stuff here
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and um obviously um we're gonna cover the clan and the fbi so we'll do a special true crime
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racist episode with y'all diggers we get to combine the things we love the most
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all right so come on over guys you rock with me you like my advice you want to support the mission
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jump on in you're a fat faggot you don't like what i gotta say or you want to use steroids
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like fitness the faggot well then i don't know go whack off somewhere but either way guys come on
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over join the oss man do i know ss you can use the code l youtube or you can be a real nigga
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just pay full price whatever seven bucks it's only ten bucks a month it's literally nothing
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so come on over niggas we're switching over ever feel the need for more find it in the
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