The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Former Fed Explains Tyler Robinson Prelim Hearing In Charlie Kirk Murder Case!

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 to permit representatives of the news media to use portable electronic devices during the

00:00:35.580 preliminary hearing is respectfully denied. The request to permit counsel for the news media to

00:00:41.680 use portable electronic devices during the preliminary hearing is granted. What's up,

00:00:46.700 guys? Good morning. Good morning. I don't know why it's coming out one side, guys. Let me fix,

00:00:52.680 let me try to see if I can get a better audio feed. I'm gonna see if I can get a better audio

00:00:57.380 feed for you guys right now the request to permit counsel for the news media to use portable

00:01:03.200 electronic devices yeah it's only coming out the left-hand side these guys can never get it right

00:01:06.540 witnesses court staff members of the public who are present the court is also mindful of the duty

00:01:12.520 to protect and uphold the constitutional rights of both mr. Robinson and miss Kirk to serve those

00:01:19.440 important interests the court reminds all persons who will be in attendance so he's basically going

00:01:25.440 over formalities right now guys i apologize for the audio i don't know why it's only coming out

00:01:29.080 one side um i'm looking at all the different news people that are covering this thing

00:01:33.640 and um you know it is what it is hopefully we can like you know we'll bounce around and see

00:01:39.660 what we can get but yeah that's where we are portable electronic devices will not be permitted

00:01:43.540 in the courtroom or on the fourth floor in addition he's just going over the rules

00:01:48.540 and attendance will be afforded the dignity and respect due to them,

00:01:52.800 and pursuant to the standing decorum order,

00:01:55.440 all spectators shall be quiet, civil, and orderly.

00:02:00.040 Spectators shall not engage in any distracting, disruptive, provocative,

00:02:04.520 disrespectful, uncivil, or threatening behavior of any kind.

00:02:09.540 Spectators shall not make any audible comments of any kind,

00:02:12.760 shall not shake or nod their heads,

00:02:15.120 shall not otherwise make any gestures during the hearing.

00:02:18.540 and the court recognizes that this hearing may invoke emotion from all different from everyone

00:02:29.240 all right once we get some more people in here i'm going to explain to you guys

00:02:31.980 what a preliminary hearing is what they're doing and we're going to cover this in detail you guys

00:02:35.580 came to the best channel to break this down so uh welcome but uh i'm gonna let i'm gonna let

00:02:41.060 more people come into the stream and then i'm going to start talking about what a preliminary

00:02:43.840 hearing is what's going on here and we'll do that all right let me turn the volume up too

00:02:52.660 for you guys but yeah even law and crime don't got the audio on point bro so let me let me uh

00:02:59.860 i'm gonna look and try to find a better feed for you guys pins buttons signs clothing or

00:03:04.460 photographs expressing support for or against any person related to this case

00:03:10.080 or the status of this case as a capital offense of the Constitution.

00:03:15.100 You need to help all parties.

00:03:16.700 Okay, it looks like.

00:03:17.900 In every engagement that you treat each person you engage with,

00:03:21.300 with the dignity and respect they are inherently due.

00:03:24.700 Looks like May and Kelly got the best version.

00:03:26.960 I want to turn also to objection.

00:03:30.500 Ah, Sirius, that's why, Sirius XM.

00:03:33.020 The format that I wish to follow if that objection.

00:03:37.140 Yeah, way better.

00:03:38.000 Okay, let me turn this volume up for you guys.

00:03:39.500 I think we got the best audio version.

00:03:41.220 We'll rock out here on Megyn Kelly's channel.

00:03:45.700 ...are made.

00:03:47.540 There we go.

00:03:48.240 When an objection is made, all parties shall pause so that the objection may be heard.

00:03:53.860 Yeah, all the different channels are having crappy audio.

00:03:56.040 They just started this thing like a minute, like 10 minutes ago.

00:03:58.060 He's just going over like, you know, formalities and stuff like that.

00:04:00.780 Speaking objections are not permitted.

00:04:03.100 If any party believes that an extended argument is necessary, particularly on sensitive matters, that party may request to approach the bench, and all parties will approach the bench.

00:04:16.960 Both sides will be afforded an opportunity to be heard for or against the objection, after which I will issue a ruling either sustaining or overruling the objection.

00:04:27.580 Once the ruling has been made, direct or cross-examination may resume.

00:04:33.100 I anticipate that we will begin each morning at 9 a.m. with the exception of Wednesday.

00:04:39.760 We will begin at 1 p.m.

00:04:41.900 We will take a 15-minute morning break and a 15-minute afternoon break.

00:04:46.940 If there is a situation that necessitates a break, please approach the bench and we can address that.

00:04:55.260 We will recess for lunch at noon for one hour each day with the exception of Wednesday.

00:05:00.880 They're two hours behind, guys. It's 9 a.m. over there, if you guys are wondering.

00:05:05.140 And court will resume at 1 p.m. and continue until 5 p.m. each day.

00:05:11.280 Does either party need the benefit of the record?

00:05:19.060 Thank you, Ms. Nestor.

00:05:20.940 No, no, thank you.

00:05:22.340 Thank you, Mr. Grenander.

00:05:24.240 Do either party wish to invoke the exclusionary rule?

00:05:27.640 Defense invokes, Your Honor.

00:05:28.840 All right. The fence has invoked the exclusionary rule. I ask that all witnesses, if present, be excused from the courtroom and ask that each party monitor the courtroom to ensure your witnesses aren't present, as I'm not familiar with who they are.

00:05:44.440 Of course, victim representative is excluded from that rule, as is the case manager pursuant to the.

00:05:52.320 So I saw Brandon Tatum there. I'm assuming Megan Kelly is here. A lot of people are there, guys, out there in Utah covering this.

00:05:58.840 Okay, and I anticipate that from here on out that they're just going to come to the lectrum, so.

00:06:16.060 Okay, so just for the benefit of the record, to the questions, yes or no questions,

00:06:24.100 well, the parties have entered their appearances

00:06:27.980 and they're all present

00:06:30.020 and neither party wanted the benefit of the record.

00:06:34.940 Ms. Nestor invoked the exclusionary rule

00:06:37.340 and Mr. Grunander, if you'd like to approach the electrum

00:06:41.180 as the microphones at the tables are not activated.

00:06:45.200 Thank you, Judge.

00:06:46.240 We anticipated that the defense would invoke the exclusionary rule.

00:06:49.380 um we met with we consulted with defense for just a couple of minutes prior to the

00:06:55.200 start of this hearing we essentially have two case agents your honor um david hull and brian

00:07:01.680 davis both from the state of utah um the defense i told you guys that this is going to be a state 0.94

00:07:06.220 case this is not a federal case do not listen to the morons okay this is not an fbi case it's not 0.88

00:07:11.340 an atf case this is a state case guys okay uh these guys are from the state police criminal 0.98

00:07:16.760 investigation major crimes unit has consented that both of them can be present so one is seated

00:07:22.860 at my table uh the front table there are going to be the ones that probably present most of the

00:07:27.580 testimony here um in this preliminary hearing this is brian davis agent which i'm going to explain

00:07:33.040 for you guys what a preliminary hearing is once we fill this thing up a little bit davis and agent

00:07:37.660 hull is seated on the bench just on the other side of the bar um he will be present for this

00:07:44.500 hearing as well both of these agents will be testifying as part of the hearing thank you

00:07:48.960 Ms. Nestor uh and your microphone's dead if you want to come forward and and it sounds like you've

00:07:55.380 stipulated but just for the best so he's the prosecution that's the lead prosecutor right

00:07:59.000 there that guy that spoke and I fit the record we have stipulated your honor for purposes of

00:08:02.920 this hearing only thank you all right so agents Davis and Hull are permitted to remain in the

00:08:09.100 courtroom during the duration of the preliminary hearing. Any other business

00:08:15.780 that we need to address before we turn to the business of witnesses?

00:08:24.600 Mr. Novak. Thank you, Your Honor. Richard Novak for Ms. Robinson. Your Honor, the

00:08:29.880 court had issued an order, maybe it was early last week, asking the parties to

00:08:37.200 meet and confer about the question of whether exhibits will be published.

00:08:46.820 And we did, and we can either deal with this as a general matter or we can deal with it

00:08:55.080 on an exhibit-by-exhibit basis, but I just wanted to make sure that we didn't lose track

00:09:00.460 of that issue. The court had earlier

00:09:04.220 entered an order granting in part

00:09:08.320 the defense motion to exclude

00:09:11.600 I'm just going to say technology in the courtroom

00:09:16.040 because it's a shorthand for video cameras and photography and microphones

00:09:19.720 because the parties had earlier stipulated that none of the

00:09:24.460 exhibits would be available from the preliminary hearing would be

00:09:28.360 available for inspection or copying. I understand that

00:09:32.380 publishing the exhibits in the courtroom may technically be

00:09:36.360 different than that, but whenever the court is ready to deal with that

00:09:40.440 issue, we just want to make sure

00:09:41.960 that we do so before it's too late.

00:09:49.900 That's always the right time to do it.

00:09:52.080 Okay, thank you. Turning to the state

00:09:54.920 And in defense, do we anticipate this being a long argument, or is it something that we can handle,

00:10:03.900 that there are some stipulations that we can address right now,

00:10:07.160 and then the remainder we can address on an exhibit-by-exhibit basis?

00:10:12.080 Mr. Grunander.

00:10:14.480 Judge, I don't know that we have any stipulations, but with that said, it is correct.

00:10:19.260 Mr. Novak is correct.

00:10:20.060 We did meet and consult on this issue.

00:10:23.420 I wanted to give the court just a brief roadmap, but part of that was exhibits 7, 8, and 9

00:10:29.900 that we propose introducing will be graphic in nature.

00:10:35.780 And those were the exhibits I was referring to at the last hearing

00:10:38.960 where we would like to take a short break before they were published, if they are published.

00:10:44.000 That's probably going to be pictures of Charlie's body.

00:10:47.560 Be by way of video and or audio.

00:10:52.460 Judge, I don't see any TVs or monitors here in the courtroom today with respect to publishing something that would go beyond council table and your honor's bench.

00:11:04.700 So I don't know how much of an issue this is going to be anyway, at least with respect to pictures or video.

00:11:12.960 Thank you.

00:11:13.660 That's a great point.

00:11:16.080 And the courts thought about this issue in regards to publication of exhibits.

00:11:20.880 Obviously, the court will entertain all motions before any, but after considering it, here's the two points that I wish to address.

00:11:32.180 In regards to the exhibits, there is benefit to publication of certain exhibits, but I also do not, and this is going to the camera operator, do not want them to be displayed on TV.

00:11:45.960 I believe it is important that the parties know that the exhibits are being viewed by the judge in real time and in open court.

00:11:57.040 However, what I will do is have the monitor placed against that wall to reduce the possibility of it being broadcast.

00:12:05.140 and so um on the exhibits that the court grants to be published in court and not going to mr

00:12:14.060 novak's point not to be given copies to and the court is trying to be mine yeah that's probably

00:12:19.400 this is more than likely going to be pictures of the body guys uh from obviously autopsy etc

00:12:24.620 the crime scene the blood uh that's probably what they're referring to here that if it's shown on

00:12:32.240 TV, that's essentially giving a copy to. And so the court is taking Mr. Novak's point in

00:12:39.560 consideration. And so the anticipation is, and I know I'm catching staff a little bit off guard,

00:12:45.580 is placing that television right behind Jeff, our bailiff, to minimize the accidental capture

00:12:52.380 by the camera and allowing it to be displayed. I recognize that that is not the ideal spot for

00:13:00.340 viewing but I'm also trying to balance the rights and important considerations

00:13:06.220 that defense has made and again this will be on an exhibit by exhibit basis

00:13:10.660 on what is published or what is not but the for the for the exhibits that the

00:13:15.580 court rules can be published in open court that is going to be the location

00:13:21.380 of the monitor and and again the court spent a bit of time weighing what should

00:13:28.660 be done, where the monitor should be placed to accomplish the purposes of publication

00:13:35.800 at the same time protecting, especially as it may relate to sensitive material if the

00:13:42.420 court deems that to be publishable in the courtroom.

00:13:46.580 Any questions that I can address from either side or clarification needed or thoughts that

00:13:51.600 you wish to share?

00:13:52.600 No, I think I understand completely.

00:13:55.100 All right.

00:13:56.100 Thank you.

00:13:57.100 All right.

00:13:58.100 Mr. Grunander, as it relates to that, are we anticipating the possibility of that coming up very soon

00:14:07.280 in regards to publishing potentially exhibits?

00:14:13.700 Not real soon, but today certainly I would anticipate, Judge.

00:14:18.220 For the course information, we anticipate presenting four witnesses.

00:14:21.840 They're all law enforcement witnesses.

00:14:23.740 officer chris bagley he's now with spanish fork police department he was with utah valley

00:14:30.040 university police department he'll be the first witness the second witness will be agent

00:14:35.680 david hull and those exhibits seven eight nine we anticipate coming in through him

00:14:41.440 third witness will be agent brian davis again with the state of utah a case agent who's here

00:14:48.200 yeah these guys are all from this agency right here guys state bureau investigation okay get

00:14:52.020 familiar with this agency this is the lead agency that's running this thing it's not the fbi it's

00:14:55.940 not the atf this is the state bureau investigation their detectives are called special agents but

00:15:00.480 they're not federal they're state um they're the ones running this thing okay uh that's why there's

00:15:05.720 two the two agents that are there for sbi are more than likely the they're both the case agents on it

00:15:10.960 like they're the ones that writing up the affidavits doing the interviews etc presently

00:15:15.920 And lastly, Sergeant Jennifer Fowl-Moina, also of the Utah Department of Public Safety.

00:15:23.980 And we do anticipate admitting between 40 and 50 exhibits.

00:15:29.840 Thank you.

00:15:32.220 All right, Mr. Grunander, I apologize.

00:15:34.780 You walked away before I got my question out.

00:15:37.000 If we anticipate taking a break around 1030, do you anticipate any potential exhibits for publication being requested prior to 1030?

00:15:48.040 I do, Judge. I do. I think the first several exhibits should be published.

00:15:53.560 All right. Well, let's do this. I want our preliminary hearing to move smoothly and with the least amount of delays as possible.

00:16:02.660 So let's take a brief break to allow the placement of that monitor.

00:16:05.940 All right. Perfect.

00:16:07.000 a brief task to make sure it's working, and then we can be seamless in moving forward.

00:16:11.920 One quick question, Judge, for counsel's benefit.

00:16:14.740 Are the monitors at the tables going to be turned on?

00:16:18.600 The monitors are, and that's why I wanted to give that instruction early on

00:16:23.180 for each party to monitor their monitor.

00:16:27.160 Because if the camera is doing a wide-sweep picture of the courtroom,

00:16:32.760 I can't prevent the accidental capture.

00:16:35.880 Obviously, the decorum order anticipates not focusing in to the point that it's focused on your monitors.

00:16:42.800 But I ask all the parties to be mindful, especially as it relates to the sensitive material that may be published or may not.

00:16:50.920 But please, just take a look at that and be mindful of that.

00:16:56.140 But I will leave it to you.

00:16:57.720 So I believe it's important that all parties see what is before the court.

00:17:02.240 So if you have objections, it's right there.

00:17:04.780 you can say okay i see what the court's saying i have ejection or not okay so um they're going to

00:17:09.220 take a break here or whatever okay so what is happening right now let's go back

00:17:14.040 september 10th we hear a shot ring out charlie kirk is tragically killed right i'm not going

00:17:23.040 to get into all the conspiracy theories i'm going to give you guys the official narrative so you

00:17:25.700 guys understand what's happening here because they're not going to go into conspiracy theories

00:17:28.160 they're going to talk about the official narrative so for the purposes of me breaking this down so

00:17:31.520 you guys understand the facts i'm going to go off the official narrative basically this is what the

00:17:35.560 government is alleging or in this case the state okay case of the state case i explained to you

00:17:41.020 guys before the sbi is running it to uh special agents with the sbi probably from their major

00:17:45.700 crimes unit or some other type of um sophisticated unit is running the investigation they're the ones

00:17:50.860 that are responsible presenting all the evidence writing the affidavits etc okay teller Robinson

00:17:55.660 was arrested a few days after the alleged shooting. And what ended up happening was

00:18:01.480 they found a rifle. Okay. They found the rifle on the top of the building

00:18:07.960 with his DNA on it. Excuse me. No, no, I'm sorry. They found the rifle in the woods. So basically

00:18:16.920 they got footage, right, of Tyler Robinson running off of the top of a building. I'm

00:18:22.280 going to show you guys that real quick let me show you how this jog some of your guys memories

00:18:27.540 about what's going on here and again we're going off the official narrative here because that's

00:18:32.340 what is pertinent to what we're talking about uh here it is hold on make it big for you guys

00:18:42.600 let me get myself out the way hold on

00:18:52.280 okay so as you guys can see here right

00:19:22.280 So you saw him running, right?

00:19:26.200 So the camera comes.

00:19:27.980 This is a building you shot from, allegedly.

00:19:30.080 And you're going to see a figure run across.

00:19:34.300 So here he is right here.

00:19:36.240 Just follow my mouse.

00:19:38.360 Right?

00:19:39.820 And as he comes here, the camera's going to zoom in.

00:19:44.660 Now, you can see him place something down.

00:19:47.500 Okay, like a long-type object with something draped over it, a towel.

00:19:50.760 okay and he hangs off the side of the building drops down and runs right and you can see that

00:20:00.860 he has something stiff on his arm right and then he kind of disappears so

00:20:07.620 and then before the shooting and again i'm refreshing you guys's memory on the facts

00:20:15.600 the case here of the official narrative um before the shooting you guys remember this infamous

00:20:24.320 footage we also have a suspect they're walking in the so here he is walking right and if you can see

00:20:31.660 the person is walking with a limp there and it is believed to be because that person has a rifle

00:20:40.720 in the pants and they are walking very difficult because of that object that has got now here's

00:20:47.300 the famous surveillance footage of him going up stairs right now the important thing to realize

00:20:53.740 guys right is um i know there's a lot of theories out there whatever but again i'm going off the

00:20:57.940 official narrative what the police and the government is claiming is this he had a mauser

00:21:03.020 rifle he had it broken in two different parts one side he was holding on this side and then the

00:21:08.100 other side he was holding on the other side so in other words the stock and the barrel were

00:21:12.000 separated okay the the firearm was disassembled he gets upstairs okay now that you guys are now

00:21:18.600 i'm jogging your guys memory right so basically he had it like this one side of his body had the

00:21:26.280 rifle one side of his body had like the stock portion of the rifle and then the other side of

00:21:32.600 his body had like the long barrel so he had the gun in two pieces that's why he was walking simple

00:21:37.140 like this okay once he gets upstairs he lays down a towel that he had his backpack

00:21:45.520 pulls the rifle from his clothing and he assembles it with a screwdriver

00:21:50.380 okay he already had the scope zeroed in or whatever it may be takes the shot then we see

00:21:58.020 him running off the roof here's the problem he left the screwdriver there okay so he leaves

00:22:05.420 a screwdriver there runs off the roof goes into the woods when he gets to the woods he realizes

00:22:12.140 he left a screwdriver on top of the building so he can't disassemble the gun that's why he left

00:22:17.580 the gun in the forest again i'm going off the official narrative i don't want a bunch of

00:22:21.360 conspiracy morons in here dude okay i'm telling you guys the official narrative for the purposes

00:22:25.040 of this preliminary hearing okay this is not the theory episode we could do this another time 0.98

00:22:29.740 anyway so he has to leave the gun there that's when the police find it and that's why he was at

00:22:38.920 a like a dairy queen or whatever like later on that night because he was trying to figure out

00:22:42.640 what he was going to do because he was about two to three hours away from uh where where where the

00:22:48.740 where the shooting happened where the for he was like two to three hours away from the university

00:22:52.620 so um that's a general gist of the official narrative okay now what is the preliminary

00:23:01.500 hearing okay um oh my god what do we got low iq people in the chat bro i told you guys already

00:23:07.500 dude like yo shut up like do not come in here and talk to me about the conspiracy theory we're not

00:23:11.720 here to talk about the conspiracy theories we're watching the preliminary hearing based off the 1.00

00:23:16.620 official narrative please shut up dude please shut the hell up holy crap man i get it i understand 0.97

00:23:22.620 30 out six yeah like there's no way fair i've heard the alternative theories but for the purposes 0.98

00:23:28.740 of this coverage okay i'm giving you guys the official narrative so you understand

00:23:33.440 what they're going to be talking about okay please stop being low iq okay now

00:23:40.280 obviously a couple of days he uh he like confesses to some friends he turns himself in

00:23:50.360 they find some discord chat with his you know lover who i guess is of questionable gender we

00:23:56.920 don't know we're on tiktok so i'll keep it nice and clean right and there's some shady stuff there

00:24:02.840 however that's not that that's all going to come on their preliminary hearing but that's the

00:24:07.580 evidence against him in general so they have his dna they have the gun they have the dna on the

00:24:12.380 screwdriver they have a somewhat confession from his family okay uh i don't know if they have phone

00:24:20.740 evidence they're probably going to present all of this right so why are we here now so

00:24:26.500 a preliminary hearing guys is a hearing where you establish probable cause

00:24:31.520 now i know what you guys say wait myron that doesn't make sense didn't they arrest him because

00:24:34.900 they already had the probable cause? Yes. Now, what they're doing now is they're formalizing

00:24:40.200 that probable cause with a preliminary hearing. Now, I'm going to be very honest with you guys.

00:24:44.120 The fact that they're running a preliminary hearing almost a year later, remember, Charlie

00:24:48.020 was killed September 10th, 2025. We're in July of 2026, 10 months to do a preliminary hearing.

00:24:56.860 Unheard of. Unheard of. But here's the thing. The state is extremely...

00:25:02.020 i'll just be honest they're very slow and incompetent okay the federal system bro you

00:25:08.340 you arrest them out you got two weeks to indict them like well what are we doing here

00:25:11.760 other conversation um so they're doing a preliminary hearing now if i have to speculate

00:25:18.280 i'm assuming it was a defense saying we need more time because obviously you got every agency under

00:25:23.020 their under the sun helping out you got the fbi you got the atf you have an enormous amount of

00:25:27.160 you know, evidence, voluminous terabytes of data.

00:25:30.540 So obviously the defense team

00:25:32.760 had to go through everything to prepare.

00:25:35.620 And now they're saying,

00:25:36.860 we want to do a preliminary hearing.

00:25:38.020 So they want the government,

00:25:39.860 or in this case, the state,

00:25:41.380 to provide the probable cause.

00:25:47.100 Now, remember guys,

00:25:48.460 they just need to establish probable cause.

00:25:51.160 That's it.

00:25:51.980 Probable cause is a very low standard.

00:25:53.900 Okay?

00:25:54.960 But what I'm assuming,

00:25:56.240 the the reason why the defense is doing this is because they want to see what's going to come out

00:25:59.020 during trial okay so the state is going to have to be strategic here where they're going to want

00:26:07.260 to share enough evidence to make their case solid but they also don't want to share too much so that

00:26:16.020 the defense can prepare for trial better okay and keep in mind guys this preliminary hearing

00:26:21.800 the burden is on the state, not on Tyler and his defense. As a defendant, you have no

00:26:28.880 responsibility to present the case. Your job is to defend against the case, okay? Your job is to

00:26:38.060 create reasonable doubt. That's all the defense has to do, create reasonable doubt, distill the

00:26:43.460 water a little bit, make people think, ah, maybe it wasn't him. Now, I do think also, if I'm just

00:26:50.640 going to put on my you know thinking cap here all of these different conspiracy theories that have

00:26:58.120 been out right that people have given different alternative narratives this is going to help the

00:27:02.720 defense obviously and they're you best believe they're definitely watching like all the different

00:27:07.880 people giving their theories whatever and they're going to use that right to create reasonable doubt

00:27:13.320 in this case and i predict this is another reason why the government is going to go have to go the

00:27:17.920 well, the state, the state's going to have to go a bit harder than they usually would.

00:27:20.940 Dude, five days for a preliminary hearing is insane.

00:27:24.660 Insane.

00:27:26.300 You're talking to a guy who's testified hundreds of times at preliminary hearings.

00:27:31.620 Okay.

00:27:33.320 A five-day preliminary hearing is nuts.

00:27:36.160 Any lawyer or law enforcement officer in here will tell you that.

00:27:39.040 So we'll see what happens.

00:27:42.380 But that's where we are.

00:27:44.640 So we're here to establish probable cause, guys.

00:27:46.840 five days to establish probable cause and for the prosecution it's going to be a delicate balance of

00:27:53.060 establishing enough probable cause to be taken seriously right and kind of hit the defense

00:27:59.440 hard enough but at the same time you don't want to knock them out and give all your best information

00:28:04.600 because then they can prepare properly for trial so they're going to have to

00:28:11.200 be convincing but not give all their cards up does that make sense guys because we still got a trial

00:28:15.680 I don't even know if this case has been indicted yet

00:28:17.960 I don't think this case went to a grand jury

00:28:19.720 so that's why there's a no actually you know what

00:28:21.920 I know that hasn't gone to a grand jury because they're doing a preliminary hearing

00:28:23.920 if this case went to a grand jury they wouldn't be doing

00:28:25.960 a preliminary hearing

00:28:26.640 so yeah guys

00:28:29.920 that's where we are it looks like they're still doing a recess

00:28:31.680 here

00:28:33.100 I guess I'll read some chats while I wait

00:28:35.360 give me ones if that don't make sense for you guys

00:28:37.600 you guys came to the

00:28:39.920 best channel by the way to cover this smart 0.75

00:28:41.360 gentlemen smart ladies and gentlemen in the house

00:28:43.860 y'all literally can't be the best person

00:28:46.040 appreciate you guys

00:28:48.480 appreciate you guys

00:28:49.060 now again

00:28:50.040 if we have some time

00:28:51.680 we can talk about the conspiracy theories

00:28:53.060 but for the purpose of this preliminary hearing

00:28:55.200 I'm giving you guys the official narrative

00:28:56.700 so you guys understand

00:28:58.540 what they're going to be arguing

00:28:59.660 and what they're going to be presenting

00:29:01.220 okay I'm sorry

00:29:02.300 but the conspiracy theories

00:29:03.180 are not going to do us any justice

00:29:04.180 in this preliminary hearing

00:29:05.500 we need to know what the official narrative is

00:29:07.060 because that's what they're going to be talking about

00:29:08.540 fair?

00:29:10.380 okay

00:29:10.780 awesome

00:29:11.540 uh wrestlers viking says sorry off topic yo maren asked you this the other day but didn't

00:29:17.660 mention specific details my younger brother is being reckless drinks too much hasn't gained

00:29:21.220 status no state crypto nothing he cheats on his girl that has been very loyal to him i mean he's 0.97

00:29:25.320 a loser bro what do you want me to do like you the only thing you can do bro is you have to be 0.94

00:29:30.340 successful yourself viking and then you got to wait for him to come in and say okay yo how do 0.99

00:29:34.980 you do it he's got to get his hand burned on the stove brand he's got to get his hand burned on the

00:29:40.280 stove men are very hard-headed so um he's not going to change more than likely you can have

00:29:48.120 that talk with him but if he doesn't listen then you just got to be the example and when he messes

00:29:53.580 up and he's uh receptive to the information then you got him so i appreciate you dude you're hot

00:29:58.780 you're always high iq content we all have to listen uh uh we all have content to listen to

00:30:07.200 while at work or while running errands.

00:30:08.940 Thanks, man.

00:30:09.260 I got you, man.

00:30:09.720 No worries.

00:30:10.620 Never mind, I'm pure Koju in TikTok.

00:30:12.540 Can I get a mod to send these guys to the Shadow Realm?

00:30:16.880 Let me see here if I can.

00:30:19.420 Let me go on TikTok real quick.

00:30:24.320 I see that you're in the OSS, so I'll give you a thing.

00:30:26.980 I know we got a lot of, we got some haters probably in the chat on TikTok.

00:30:32.580 We always do.

00:30:33.400 um let me uh let me jump in here in this chat okay let me see who else is here um

00:30:41.900 all right koju go ahead do me a favor and uh type in chat real quick so i can find you

00:30:49.600 oh one chest you can mount them up all right one chest mount up all the oss guys in there bro

00:30:55.240 please take care of that for me because i can't look at all these chats at the same time

00:30:57.640 okay let's go uh what do we got here uh status awa good morning myron uh my mom recommended

00:31:02.880 and I am considered to take Andrew Tate's real-world course.

00:31:05.740 Yeah, go for it, man.

00:31:08.060 Go for it.

00:31:12.840 Okay, he said one hit you two one more time.

00:31:15.020 No.

00:31:15.400 Okay.

00:31:16.660 But yeah, Restless Viking, dude. 1.00

00:31:18.360 Yeah, bro, your brother is going to be a moron. 1.00

00:31:22.140 It's going to take him getting burned for him to wake up, dude. 1.00

00:31:24.200 So you just be ready when that crash inevitably happens

00:31:28.080 because he clearly hasn't listened to you.

00:31:29.240 You've asked me about him a couple times

00:31:30.300 and he seems like he's very hard-headed and stubborn.

00:31:32.720 All right, we're back.

00:31:33.280 I'm going to make a brief report on discovery updates,

00:31:36.240 and then just inform the court that the state has provided copies of all exhibits for today's proceedings to the defense in advance of this hearing.

00:31:45.060 So all rights.

00:31:45.980 Mr. McBride.

00:31:50.140 Yes, Your Honor.

00:31:51.040 My report of the last hearing is the latest report.

00:31:54.320 As of June 18th, we had provided approximately 100% of the material in our possession.

00:31:58.640 over the last week we have received additional materials from sbi due to preparation for this

00:32:04.820 hearing those materials have not yet been provided but they will he said sbi guys sbi state bureau

00:32:09.800 investigation that's the state's equivalent of the fbi will be as soon as this hearing is complete

00:32:14.400 thank you defense i require the benefit of the record no your honor thank you miss nester and

00:32:21.000 in case the mic didn't pick that up she declined all right turning to the state you may call your

00:32:25.760 first witness all right here we go it's time chat the other state calls officer chris bagley

00:32:33.960 i think this is one of the campus cops officer bagley if you'd like to come forward

00:32:39.980 looks like he's being brought into the courtroom

00:32:43.580 oh yeah um i forgot to tell you guys this the witnesses cannot sit in the courtroom so when i

00:32:50.640 had to testify, they made me wait outside when I was an agent. So they can't, they can't hear

00:32:55.940 each other's testimony. So they're bringing him in. All right, Officer Begley, if you wouldn't

00:33:16.880 mind coming forward uh past electrum and being sworn in yeah they're gonna swear him in

00:33:21.520 you just only swear that the testimony you shall give in the case now pending before the court

00:33:30.100 will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god

00:33:33.340 all right officer bagley if you wouldn't mind having a seat at the light at the witness table

00:33:40.260 sorry guys my dog sheds every now and then

00:33:42.420 and after you're situated to your left is a bottle of water and if you wouldn't mind

00:33:51.400 bringing the microphone toward you to ensure that it picks up your guys i can't tell you

00:33:56.200 how many times i sat in that chair testifying dude with a full courtroom oh man voice

00:34:02.860 can you hear that i can thank you mr grunander your witness thank you your honor good morning

00:34:10.440 sir. Good morning. Will you please state your name for the record and spell your last name?

00:34:15.500 Christopher Bagley, last name spelling B-A-G-L-U-Y. And how are you employed? I'm employed at the

00:34:22.860 Spanish Fork Police Department as a police officer. As a police officer. What is your position or your

00:34:27.540 rank there? Just a senior officer. Senior officer, okay. How long have you been with the Spanish Fork

00:34:32.400 Police Department? About five months. Five months. How long have you been a police officer? 26 years.

00:34:39.540 Oh, wow.

00:34:41.020 Will you briefly describe, for the court's benefit, your training, what you did to become a police officer?

00:34:48.000 So this is standard, guys.

00:34:49.280 They always ask what's your professional background, give us your experience, et cetera, your rank.

00:34:53.520 They're kind of – they're showing the expertise of the witness.

00:34:57.500 This is very important.

00:34:58.160 Now, keep in mind, this is a state witness, so this is what's called direct examination.

00:35:02.060 They're going to ask him questions about what went down,

00:35:05.000 and then the defense is going to come in and do cross-examination where they try to trip him up.

00:35:07.840 Police officer.

00:35:09.300 I did the Utah Post Academy, which is about 600 hours of training for basic things to become a police officer,

00:35:17.080 report writing, arrest control, stuff to that effect.

00:35:19.840 When you say Post Academy, is POST an acronym?

00:35:22.940 It is.

00:35:23.380 What does that stand for?

00:35:24.680 Police Officer Standard Training.

00:35:26.680 Okay.

00:35:29.420 Were you certified through POST?

00:35:31.320 I was.

00:35:32.020 Okay.

00:35:32.340 And what did that certification require?

00:35:34.260 going through that post and graduating.

00:35:38.160 And look, guys, for all the conspiracy theorists, guys, in here, no problem, bro.

00:35:41.000 You guys can go ahead and, again, I love people that want to ask questions.

00:35:45.060 I'm just saying for the purposes of this, you know, episode, this stream,

00:35:49.380 I'm sticking to the official narrative because that's what they're talking about.

00:35:52.600 It's not going to do good if I start talking about Egyptian planes in here, dude.

00:35:55.140 It's just it's not going to make sense because this is not going to be really brought up

00:35:58.520 during this preliminary hearing.

00:35:59.960 so that's why i'm keeping it to the official narrative so you guys understand what's going

00:36:03.880 on here like i said before we can entertain the conspiracy theories after but for the purpose of

00:36:08.400 this preliminary hearing making sense for you guys i'm trying to keep it official narrative only

00:36:11.420 so don't confuse you guys academy all the credits that you get up with hours and then

00:36:17.020 physical fitness stuff to that effect and then graduating from that to earn the certificate

00:36:22.080 was there also testing involved there was at the academy yes okay um were you employed in september

00:36:29.940 of 2025? I was. And where were you employed then? Utah Valley Police Department. And how long did

00:36:36.560 you work for the Utah Valley University Police Department? Five years. Five years, okay.

00:36:45.800 And do you recall what your position or your rank was there? Senior officer there. Senior officer,

00:36:50.960 okay. Describe, if you would, just your general duties as a police officer at Utah Valley

00:36:57.360 university basically campus police chat campus police which blows being campus cop blows there

00:37:04.640 at utah valley university we patrol the campus if you want to chill you don't want to do anything

00:37:08.640 great job but if you want to actually like you know get your feet wet and make some cases happen

00:37:12.200 terrible walk around we patrol we would do investigations if there was crimes to that effect

00:37:17.540 we'd make sure that students or staff if they needed something we'd be there for them so

00:37:21.920 basic police kind of like a school resource officer community oriented policing okay was

00:37:27.140 this a full-time position it was okay um did you work in law enforcement prior to uvu i did and

00:37:34.480 where did you work i worked at utah valley or sorry utah county sheriff's office for 13 years

00:37:41.100 before that i worked with springville city police department for six years and also with the salt

00:37:47.340 lake county sheriff's office for a year oh bro's been everywhere what were your smash that like

00:37:52.420 one for me guys on YouTube you guys are watching on YouTube positions with those departments varies

00:37:58.540 I did canine I did SWAT I did motors I senior officer FTO officer detectives okay while you

00:38:11.660 were at Utah Valley University did you have access to the video surveillance system on campus yes I

00:38:17.320 did um and how so i was a it was at our desktop where our police station is uh we have desks and

00:38:25.480 on our desktops we'd have access to it there or we'd go into dispatch and they'd have okay i think

00:38:30.520 i know why they're making him the first witness but i'm gonna let it play a little bit more and

00:38:33.580 we'll discuss the wall full of camera systems that we could look at how familiar did you become with

00:38:39.840 that system uh very familiar uh can you describe how you became very familiar um like i said it

00:38:46.260 It was one of our daily routines that we'd go in there.

00:38:48.500 If we were looking for somebody or tracking something back,

00:38:50.820 we'd go in.

00:38:51.980 We'd go back to that time frame.

00:38:53.840 We could trace somebody to track somebody through campus.

00:38:58.920 I'd also turn around and make some maps

00:39:00.680 so it was easier for dispatch or somebody

00:39:02.140 to click on an area in the campuses,

00:39:03.760 where the buildings were, and be able to click a little bit

00:39:06.960 easier and get a faster response.

00:39:08.340 So made some maps and stuff like that.

00:39:10.300 And how often did you use this system?

00:39:12.620 Every day.

00:39:13.800 OK.

00:39:16.260 Did you become familiar with the campus at Utah Valley University when you were working there?

00:39:21.020 Yes.

00:39:21.680 And explain how you became familiar with it.

00:39:24.820 Like I said, we'd walk around.

00:39:26.660 I would train other officers.

00:39:27.780 We'd make sure that we knew all the ins and outs, the back doors.

00:39:31.920 We'd make sure we knew where every classroom was, where every entrance and exit was.

00:39:36.340 We'd secure the building.

00:39:38.220 And when you're patrolling the same campus over and over, like, dude, you know it like the back of your hand, you know?

00:39:43.700 Neighborhoods, we patrol around campus, and then we also have off-site campuses that we drive to and make sure that they're secure also.

00:39:51.020 Okay, you mentioned that you patrol the neighborhoods?

00:39:53.420 Yes.

00:39:53.860 Surrounding campus?

00:39:54.960 Yes.

00:39:55.400 What about the neighborhood to the north and east of campus?

00:39:58.920 Yes.

00:39:59.700 Okay.

00:40:01.100 What was your purpose for patrolling those neighborhoods as an officer for UVU?

00:40:05.900 One, it was right next to UVU, so we patrolled it.

00:40:08.580 Sometimes people would run up in that area or be walking up that way.

00:40:11.520 We'd have stolen bikes, stuff like that.

00:40:13.060 So we'd go into the areas, look for stuff.

00:40:15.380 Also, with Orem Police Department, we'd go back up them quite a bit for other calls and allow what would be in the area.

00:40:21.680 Okay, so back up just a little bit.

00:40:23.760 So Utah Valley University is located in what city?

00:40:26.520 Orem, Utah.

00:40:27.200 Orem, Utah.

00:40:27.960 Okay.

00:40:30.900 How familiar did you become with the buildings on campus?

00:40:34.220 Very familiar.

00:40:35.140 And the walkways?

00:40:36.480 Very familiar.

00:40:37.560 You mentioned the entrances and exits to the buildings?

00:40:40.540 Yes.

00:40:41.120 What about parking?

00:40:41.660 Okay, so based off the question that this prosecutor is asking, it's very clear that this guy more than likely probably has the best knowledge of the video surveillance system, the landscape of the campus, and he probably was on scene.

00:40:55.860 So prosecutors a lot of times when they're getting their witnesses for prelims or whatever, they want to get witnesses that are really good at one thing or very knowledgeable about something that's extremely pertinent to the case.

00:41:07.600 So in this case, obviously, we saw the surveillance footage, right?

00:41:10.300 we understand it's a college campus so they're bringing in the guy that's the most knowledgeable

00:41:14.340 this guy's a senior police officer he's worked for many different agencies i saw someone write hey

00:41:18.120 why do you work for so many departments so guys when you work for the state a lot of the times

00:41:22.340 you can easily just transfer from police department to police department probably pay

00:41:25.760 or you know disgruntled or whatever it may be so um but it's not uncommon for uh police officers

00:41:31.440 to leave departments to go to other ones for better opportunities structures yes um same answer

00:41:37.180 for that yes okay um and anytime i give commentary and stop it guys i'll just speed it back up so we

00:41:42.700 catch up to where we were before i got y'all ninjas man make sure i like the video you guys

00:41:47.220 are gonna get the best breakdown if you guys are watching on tiktok smash the the hard button you

00:41:51.640 guys are watching on youtube smash the like button and you guys came to the best channel by far to

00:41:55.980 break this thing down you got a former federal agent breaking this down with y'all ninjas so

00:41:58.840 smash the like video like button are you familiar with the courtyard or the outdoor amphitheater

00:42:04.740 amphitheater on campus i am and generally speaking where is that located on campus it's

00:42:09.620 more of the central it's an outdoor area centered by a bunch of buildings on the around it so it's

00:42:13.940 in the center of campus pretty much okay can you describe um what it looks like this courtyard this

00:42:18.900 amphitheater it's kind of like an amphitheater that's where charlie was shot guys so you got

00:42:22.580 some grass a couple steps that go up you've got some cement on top with some bushes and flowers

00:42:26.580 you've got places where people can sit and eat they come out and study and relax on the grass

00:42:29.780 and there's a waterfall with a little pond that comes down into a stream.

00:42:33.500 Okay.

00:42:35.400 Are you familiar with the surroundings, the buildings around the amphitheater?

00:42:38.820 Yes, I am.

00:42:39.260 Okay.

00:42:39.920 In relationship to this amphitheater, this courtyard,

00:42:42.180 where is the Hall of Flags located?

00:42:44.000 It would be directly west of the courtyard.

00:42:45.880 Okay.

00:42:46.700 Is it part of the courtyard or is it just off of the courtyard?

00:42:49.620 It's kind of the courtyard, like bus up right against the courtyard,

00:42:51.960 so it'll be the west side of the courtyard.

00:42:52.900 Okay, so to the west of the courtyard.

00:42:54.340 Is there a walkway across the Hall of Flags?

00:42:55.920 There is.

00:42:56.440 There's an inside one and an outside one.

00:42:57.680 Okay, so what is the Hall of Flags then?

00:42:58.660 The Hall of Flags is kind of like a bridge between two buildings that all the flags throughout the world are represented in there are some chairs where people sit down and relax with windows so you can see through all the way to the Utah Lake.

00:43:07.080 Okay. What are those two buildings that are connected by this Hall of Flags?

00:43:09.680 The Fugle Building over to the Science Building area.

00:43:12.980 Okay. So you mentioned the Fugle Building. Where is the Fugle Building located in relationship to this courtyard?

00:43:17.460 It's to the south of the courtyard.

00:43:19.160 Okay. Does it run up against the courtyard?

00:43:21.800 It does.

00:43:22.100 The building? Okay. What about the Woodbury Business Building? Where is that in relationship to the courtyard?

00:43:25.740 It's kind of southeast and it runs up right against the courtyard also.

00:43:27.600 okay and in relationship to the fugal building where's that sorenson or excuse me that so he's

00:43:31.520 making sure what he's doing what the prosecutor is doing here guys is he's establishing credibility

00:43:35.500 of this police officer of the witness that he's aware of all the most pertinent locations that

00:43:40.560 are involved in this murder in this murder you guys notice every single one of these places he's

00:43:45.660 naming are extremely pertinent and important uh during the course of this investigation so that's

00:43:50.840 why they brought him senior officer could testify knows the campus well understands the surveillance

00:43:55.000 footage so you're able to uh you know kill multiple birds with one stone with bringing

00:43:59.600 this guy in that's why he's the witness that business building the witness representing the

00:44:04.420 university more than likely so that's why he's asking all these questions all of these different

00:44:08.200 areas he's naming are going to be very important for the course uh for the trial in in the future

00:44:12.300 well it's going to be very important for the preliminary hearing excuse me the trial doesn't

00:44:16.940 start until the end of this year guys this is right directly east of the feudal okay um what

00:44:23.520 about the sorenson center where is that located with respect to this courtyard the sorenson center

00:44:27.360 is going to be kind of like a northeast uh of the courtyard okay does it again run up against

00:44:33.180 this courtyard yes it does okay and where is it in relationship to the business building

00:44:36.680 woodbury business building is just directly south of the sorenson directly south okay someone said 1.00

00:44:40.560 it looks like two idiots are agreeing with each other um no idiot uh it's because the prosecution 1.00

00:44:44.180 okay is direct examining his witness so he's gonna ask a lot of leading questions like that 1.00

00:44:50.400 because it's his witness come on bro like uh-oh retard alert man why do we got some slow people 0.90

00:44:59.680 in chat man um the low c center are you familiar with that building i am where is it located on 0.88

00:45:03.940 campus uh directly east of the courtyard theater area okay does it run up to the courtyard the

00:45:10.180 center no not really okay so i'm right up against it so the source of building is kind of like right

00:45:14.280 between the closer okay in relationship to the sorenson building what direction is the low c

00:45:17.600 building? East. East, okay. Are you familiar with the LDS Institute building on campus?

00:45:22.700 Yes, I am. Where is that located? That is going to be located north of the Loci

00:45:27.440 building and just kind of like northeast of the courtyard. Okay. And is there a

00:45:33.620 parking structure next to this Institute building? Yeah, there's there is. And where

00:45:37.600 is that? It's going to be, so you mentioned that Institute building is

00:45:40.360 going to be north of the Loci Center. There is a parking structure that has

00:45:43.400 several levels of parking. It's going to be directly west of the Institute

00:45:45.860 building and then they also have a parking structure not parking structure

00:45:48.560 parking lot to the north of that across the road okay with respect to that

00:45:52.080 parking structure can you describe for the court how one would enter this

00:45:55.480 parking structure driving and even walking how do you enter and exit that

00:45:58.680 structure so on the north end of the parking structure is campus drive you

00:46:02.060 can drive in and exit on the level one so that's a ground level that's where

00:46:04.700 you'd enter if you're driving in or exiting back out on campus then goes up

00:46:07.820 to level two and on level two exit it's what's called heat plant road in between

00:46:11.600 the institute building and the garage is a little road and there's an exit right

00:46:15.140 there they can drive out you can also if you're parking there you could walk out

00:46:19.220 right there that exit only where I was talking about on that south east side

00:46:22.520 you can walk out there or on the north end of that garage there are some stairs

00:46:26.120 that go up all the levels and it goes down to the bottom level and across the

00:46:29.780 street through a tunnel to the LDS Institute building and then when you pop

00:46:31.880 up on level two you can walk over to the Institute building okay can you

00:46:36.020 describe how long of a walk it would take from that parking structure to get

00:46:39.680 to the courtyard on campus approximately a couple of minutes because when you go

00:46:43.760 to that far southeast exit you can walk directly almost to the courtyard you can also walk along

00:46:49.400 the south end of the ldsn's to building up porcelain okay officer i'm going to turn your

00:46:54.640 attention to state's exhibit number one okay here we go first piece of evidence that they're gonna

00:46:58.840 present uh in the preliminary hearing uh guys again smash the like button if you're watching

00:47:02.840 on youtube uh smash that follow button on tiktok if you guys don't follow me i do true crime stuff

00:47:07.760 like this all the time i don't just make fun of women's okay we're the most diversified channel

00:47:13.880 by far we cover everything true crime politics wars conflicts we do it all should come up on

00:47:21.780 to be honest with you you know talking about women all day gets boring so i'd rather do stuff like

00:47:25.120 this let me know when you shout out to castle club clan you can see that i can see it just for

00:47:36.880 stuff let's go ahead and not publish it until it's admitted into evidence so we're going to

00:47:40.800 take it off the monitors but for the witness uh he should be able to see the exhibit

00:47:45.800 that's fine so thanks for sharing the live stream guys let's get as many people in here as we can

00:47:54.160 on tiktok man the table monitors witness but not the main monitor thank you all right mr grunetter

00:48:00.140 thank you thank you judge do you see that plaintiff's exhibit number one officer i do

00:48:03.900 And do you recognize that exhibit?

00:48:05.900 Yes, I do.

00:48:06.900 And what is that?

00:48:07.900 This is an area of the buildings plus the courtyard in the middle of all the grassy area.

00:48:11.900 So this is an area of the campus at Utah Valley University.

00:48:13.900 Is it a photograph?

00:48:14.900 Yes, sir.

00:48:15.900 Okay.

00:48:16.900 Are you familiar then with what's depicted in this photograph?

00:48:18.900 Yes, I am.

00:48:20.900 Does it fairly and accurately portray this area of campus?

00:48:24.900 Yes, it does.

00:48:25.900 Okay.

00:48:26.900 Can you tell the court what direction the camera is facing when this photograph was taken?

00:48:30.900 It's kind of facing north and a little to the east.

00:48:32.900 okay does it depict a number of the buildings that we've talked about today yes it does

00:48:38.980 for example um the hall of flags does it show the hall of flags yes it does the walkway of it

00:48:43.380 of the hall of flags um what about the sorenson center does it show that yes it does uh the

00:48:48.580 woodbury business building yes it does the fugal building yes and what about the losi center can

00:48:54.260 you see that from this photograph yes is this photograph a fair and accurate depiction of this

00:48:59.140 area of UVU campus on September 10th, 2025. Yes. You're on the state offers

00:49:03.760 states exhibit one. It is a little bit tricky because that microphone. Sorry

00:49:11.800 about that. Your Honor we would object to an ability to authenticate there's not

00:49:16.120 been a foundation laid that this officer took this photo can verify when it was

00:49:22.540 taken or by whom it was taken so we would object. Mr. Grunhander. Bruh. Oh

00:49:28.300 Oh, man.

00:49:29.560 Would you like us to argue now or approach the bench?

00:49:31.680 Well, as it relates to this, I'll hear argument.

00:49:33.780 Okay.

00:49:34.540 Judge, first of all, it's very clear, well-established law that the person who took the photograph is not required to be present to lay the foundation for it.

00:49:41.940 What's required for foundation is that the witness has knowledge of what's depicted in the photograph and can testify to it.

00:49:48.900 There's Tyler Robinson right there.

00:49:50.000 It's accuracy, and that's exactly what this officer has done.

00:49:53.100 We laid an ample amount of foundation about this area of campus.

00:49:56.280 he's confirmed that yeah the defense is not messing around chat the defense isn't messing

00:50:01.540 around the fact that she came in with that objection right away there there there uh

00:50:06.620 there's a reason why they requested this preliminary hearing and they didn't waive it

00:50:10.760 it depicts this area of campus that was previously described he confirmed the buildings that he can

00:50:15.860 see there he also confirmed that it was this is not a trial chat this is a preliminary hearing

00:50:20.300 to establish probable cause that's it accurate depiction of his onset yeah tyler robinson is

00:50:25.620 balding you guys notice that he has way less hair bro must be stressed september 10th 2025

00:50:31.140 thank you any further argument ms nesser we did file a um standing objection at the very beginning

00:50:40.700 of the hearing i would just refer to our standing objection as well um i know this is not a there's

00:50:45.780 no written testimony in this but just out of an abundance of caution i want to um also refer to

00:50:49.580 our standing objection thank you translation let me just throw it and see if it sticks let's see

00:50:53.100 what happens doesn't hurt to object and try right that's good all right having considered the

00:50:57.580 arguments i find i'm going to overrule the objection and admit exhibit one

00:51:01.980 and this was worth a shot it was worth a shot this has first-hand knowledge of the location

00:51:09.660 as well as the building locations that foundation has been laid he also stated it was a fair and

00:51:14.400 accurate representation of what's being depicted here and for those reasons the defense objection

00:51:18.800 is overruled. States Exhibit 1 is admitted into evidence and may be published

00:51:22.480 to the courtroom.

00:51:24.800 So the state would move to publish that to the courtroom?

00:51:30.380 It is so granted.

00:51:35.780 Officer Bagley, are you able to see the monitor that's

00:51:38.020 here in the court that's pointed towards the gallery?

00:51:41.880 Yes.

00:51:44.100 From where you're seated, are you comfortable in describing where the courtyard is

00:51:47.800 on that photograph on that exhibit yes and for the record where is that located so all the grass

00:51:52.300 that looks like a triangle uh the amphitheater look that is going to be the courtyard amphitheater

00:51:56.800 area uh it's got the tent in it the white tent that's at the bottom on the far left of the picture

00:52:02.020 that would be the courtyard area yeah thanks for sharing the live guys that's surrounded by

00:52:05.780 buildings more of the grass area i'm going to approach the phone well i'm just going to when

00:52:10.060 you look at this this exhibit to the left of the photograph um there's a walkway there what is that

00:52:15.320 walkway so the red brick walkway that's going north to the top of the picture on

00:52:19.080 the far left is going to be the Hall of Flags the outside top of it okay on the

00:52:23.080 bottom of this photograph there's a white roofed building it's the largest

00:52:28.040 building at least as far as what's depicted on this exhibit what building

00:52:30.940 is that that would be the Fugle building okay and just to the right of that so

00:52:35.780 that would be to the east of the Fugle building what building is that the other

00:52:38.840 red brick pathway area that is the Woodbury business building okay and if I

00:52:43.460 were to walk north so left on this photograph with respect to that red

00:52:48.320 brick walkway area there's another building sort of triangular in shape the

00:52:52.700 the rooftop what building is that with that white rooftop that would be the

00:52:55.680 Sorenson building that's the Sorenson building and what about the low-sea

00:52:58.400 building you've described that where's that located on this photograph if you

00:53:01.340 go to that triangle white roof if you go directly to the right so the right side

00:53:04.340 of the picture that is going to be the low-sea building it's got several levels

00:53:07.460 is it to the right and up a little bit as well okay and that would be east on

00:53:12.080 this photograph it's got the gravel rooftop gravel rooftop okay um i referred you to the

00:53:18.640 lds institute building are you able to see that in this photograph yes you are and where is that

00:53:22.320 located that's going to just be directly north of the low sea building it's going to be that other

00:53:25.680 white roof building on the far top of the picture okay thank you officer we can take that down your

00:53:32.240 honor as far as the publication officer bagley i'm going to take you back to the date of september 10

00:53:38.080 2025 okay so they've established that he has an expertise on the campus he knows where all the

00:53:42.960 buildings are he's aware and competent of uh where different pieces of evidence were uh found laid

00:53:49.820 that foundation now he's going to start asking about the events of the shooting do you recall

00:53:54.120 that day generally i do uh were you working that day yes i was at uvu i was yes okay um do you

00:54:01.920 remember what time your shift started approximately yes it probably started about 11 o'clock in the

00:54:06.920 morning okay did you receive a specific assignment shortly after coming on to duty yes i did and

00:54:12.460 what was that assignment we it was to secure the top of the hall of flags on the south end

00:54:17.280 so we had people that were gathering on top of that that were looking down on top of the tent

00:54:21.200 so we wanted to secure that area so i was put up on top of the hall of flags on the south end okay

00:54:24.980 my apologies your honor can we have exhibit one published again go ahead and republish stage

00:54:29.460 exhibit one guys smash that light button for me man if you guys especially you guys that are

00:54:34.660 watching on youtube smash that light bun thank you you mentioned that you were securing the

00:54:39.820 south end of the walkway on top of the hall of flags yes and so where do we find that in this

00:54:43.020 exhibit officer so if you can see the tent the white tent there's that rooftop where the red

00:54:47.720 brick is i was on top of that there's some actually looks like yellow crime scene tape

00:54:50.540 that was some of our barrier that we put up so people wouldn't go above that and walk so i was

00:54:53.940 sitting right by those flower plots plants that were by the people on the south end so is the

00:54:57.880 south end on the bottom of this photograph yes where that walkway kind of begins from the bottom

00:55:00.880 Yes. And you've referred to a tent. Is that the white object we see inside the courtyard?

00:55:06.240 Yeah, that's where a white object with the tent. Okay, thank you. So you were securing that area?

00:55:10.060 Yes.

00:55:14.160 Did you have the opportunity that morning, you mentioned you checked on about 11 o'clock,

00:55:17.320 that morning and later to walk around campus that day?

00:55:21.400 Yes. Did you walk along the Hall of Flags that day?

00:55:24.000 I did. That walkway?

00:55:25.080 Yes. Did you visit the courtyard that day as well?

00:55:27.240 Down below, yes, on the south end.

00:55:28.220 I was telling it.

00:55:33.720 Let's see.

00:55:35.720 Officer, I'm going to turn your attention to States Exhibit

00:55:37.640 number 2.

00:55:40.060 And that should come up on your monitor there.

00:55:44.300 Let me know when you see that, if you would.

00:55:47.620 Your Honor, if we could maybe not have it on the lectern screen,

00:55:50.500 we're getting reports that the documents shown on the lectern screen are being

00:55:53.920 live streamed.

00:55:55.860 So maybe if we could just not show that one until it's admitted.

00:55:58.220 I'll send it to the court judge.

00:56:02.100 I've got copies of these for myself that I can refer to as I'm asking questions.

00:56:06.780 All right.

00:56:07.780 Well, I'll go ahead and grant the request by Ms. Nestor.

00:56:09.500 We'll go ahead and pour.

00:56:12.140 There should be a power button to turn it off.

00:56:17.700 Thank you, John.

00:56:20.700 And if at any point, Mr. Gernander, you do need to use a monitor.

00:56:28.200 revisit that and obviously Ms. Nestor you can renew your objection to need speed but

00:56:31.500 for now the monitors turn off. Let's go ahead and proceed. Thank you. Officer do

00:56:34.200 you see State's exhibit number two on your monitor? Yes I do. And do you recognize

00:56:37.500 that? I do. And what is that? This is a picture of the from the east side looking

00:56:42.180 west of the campus. Okay. Are you familiar with what's depicted in this

00:56:46.440 photograph? Yes I am. Okay and does it show for example the Loci Center that

00:56:51.300 we've talked about? Yes it does. Does it depict the Woodbury business building

00:56:55.740 that we've talked about? Yes. What about the Fugle Building? Yes. Does it show the Sorensen

00:56:59.700 Center? Yes. And also the Hall of Flags? Yes. In this particular exhibit, can you also see the

00:57:04.440 courtyard? I can. A partial of it. A partial of it? Okay. Does it fairly and accurately depict

00:57:10.240 this area of campus of UVU on September 10th, 2025? Yes. Okay. Your Honor of State offers

00:57:15.440 State's Exhibit No. 2. Your Honor, we renew our standing objection. We also argue that a

00:57:20.620 foundation hasn't been laid in terms of the time this was taken or who took it. Hey, she might as

00:57:24.800 well try maybe she might as well try baby it is you know um and at what point in time this was

00:57:31.100 um created in house i don't think he has any personal knowledge of that we'd object

00:57:34.040 same arguments judge he has testified that he's familiar with it he has personal familiarity with

00:57:38.240 it he's testified that it's fair and accurate um as of the day of september 10th 2025 and that's

00:57:42.540 what was asked of him all right i will go ahead and overrule the objection by defense

00:57:45.860 hey it's worth a shot right uh noting that the witness has played uh well he's expressed uh

00:57:52.560 This is a fair and accurate representation of what it purports to be and he's familiar with it. He was there on the day

00:57:57.680 On September 10th, and because that foundation has been laid state's exhibit two is admitted and may be published

00:58:03.920 Thank you judge state moves to publish exhibit two all right

00:58:07.720 Officer, I'm gonna direct your attention to this exhibit on the monitor facing the gallery of the court today

00:58:14.540 Can you describe there's a large building in the middle of that photograph slightly above the middle

00:58:19.340 but what building are we looking at there?

00:58:20.740 You're looking at the rooftop of the Loci building.

00:58:22.640 It's got two different grays, like a lighter gray and a darker gray.

00:58:25.000 Are you familiar with that rooftop then?

00:58:26.320 Yes, I am.

00:58:26.680 And what's it made of?

00:58:27.600 It's made of gravel.

00:58:28.220 Gravel, okay.

00:58:29.060 You mentioned two different grades, or did you say graze?

00:58:30.880 Graze.

00:58:31.320 Graze, okay.

00:58:33.840 Now, you described that you could see the courtyard,

00:58:36.220 but it wasn't easily visible in this photograph.

00:58:38.380 Where is the courtyard located on the state's exhibit number two?

00:58:40.740 So you've got the white roof that's going to be in the middle,

00:58:42.460 just to the top of the building where the Loci is.

00:58:44.480 I described there's a white roof there.

00:58:45.540 That's the Sorensen building.

00:58:46.640 And it's just below that you can see some grass,

00:58:47.860 and that's where the courtyard is, just to the left of that white roof.

00:58:51.280 I'm going to ask if the witness could actually come down from the stand

00:58:53.980 and point out where the courtyard is located in this exhibit for the court's benefit.

00:58:58.080 All right, do we have a second microphone so it picks up his voice?

00:59:04.200 Okay, Ms. Nestor, thank you for allowing us.

00:59:06.360 Officer, you may step down, approach the monitor,

00:59:09.240 and I would ask that you speak into the microphone when responding to a question.

00:59:16.820 Okay, can you hear me?

00:59:17.860 I can. Thank you.

00:59:19.280 So, officer, for our benefit, would you describe again where the Lossie Center is in this photograph?

00:59:23.400 The Lossie Center is going to be this one with the gray roofs. It's got two different colors of gray.

00:59:26.640 Two different colors of gray. Okay.

00:59:28.400 I'm blind. I can't see those two different colors from here.

00:59:32.500 Can you describe where the court... It looks like we went blank.

00:59:37.460 There we go.

00:59:38.240 Can you point to where the courtyard is located on that exhibit?

00:59:40.780 The courtyard is going to be here where this grass is in this area right here.

00:59:43.520 Okay. And what about the Fugle Building?

00:59:46.020 Fugle Building is going to be this building right here.

00:59:47.860 and the woodbury business building then woodbury is going to be this one right here with this

00:59:51.380 red brick and the sorenson center sorenson center is going to be this white roof one that's right

00:59:55.280 here okay now on this exhibit can you see the lds institute building and the parking structure

00:59:59.340 ninjas i got the map for you guys right here this is it this is the losi center uh where'd it go

01:00:05.200 this is it right here and this is the one that i showed you guys on the surveillance footage by

01:00:11.540 the way so this is it right here is what it looks like just so you guys have an idea this is where

01:00:17.340 i'm assuming this is where the shot came from more than likely because this looks exactly um

01:00:21.960 yeah yeah is where the shot came from talked about no not really you got the back side of

01:00:26.900 the institute building which is right here and i'll see if i get you guys a better image

01:00:29.420 structures over there okay mr grenander let me stop you just for the benefit of the record

01:00:33.460 because the record is picking up the audio when you're pointing it to and i know it may be a

01:00:37.020 little bit laborious to do this but as you're identifying indicate the general location on it

01:00:41.280 the left side right side middle uh upper lower just so the record knows to some degree where

01:00:46.400 you're pointing in that way because the video isn't being captured so if you

01:00:50.180 would do that it just creates a more complete record thank you understood

01:00:53.120 that's fair thank you judge so again let's point to the courtyard and if

01:00:58.820 you'll describe as best you can where that is located on the photograph on

01:01:02.180 this photograph the courtyard is going to be this grass area that's gonna be to

01:01:05.060 the towards the top of the pitcher the baseball field is behind it it's closer

01:01:08.480 to the surrounded buildings there's some grass in there that would be the

01:01:10.880 courtyard area okay we've talked about the Hall of Flags and the walkway above

01:01:14.000 that hall. Where is that located on this photograph? The hall flag is going to be right by the courtyard

01:01:18.160 just to the west side. There's a red brick towards the top of the picture. There's a red brick pathway

01:01:21.660 that goes from the Fugle Building, which is on the left of the picture, towards the right of the picture, which is the Science Building area.

01:01:26.040 Okay, and then the Sorensen Center, is that the building in the middle

01:01:30.140 with the large white roof? Yeah, it's going to be kind of towards the upper part

01:01:34.140 of the picture, middle of it. It's going to be a white roof. That will be the Sorensen Center.

01:01:38.100 Just to the north and east of the courtyard? Yes, north and east. Okay, and then finally,

01:01:41.460 If you would describe the low-sea building the location of that on this exhibit

01:01:44.800 The low-sea building could be pretty much in the middle on the right side

01:01:47.580 So the middle to the right I was gonna have two different colors of gray a darker gray and the lighter gray

01:01:52.440 There's a red pathway and that will be the low-sea center, okay?

01:01:55.580 You mentioned officers right here. There were different stories on the low-sea right here

01:01:59.900 How many stories to the low-sea building? I'm sorry there's four four stories

01:02:02.860 Okay, you mentioned that you were familiar with the rooftop. Do you know how to gain access to the rooftop of the low-sea building?

01:02:07.760 Yes, there's actually an outside stairway right here that comes up.

01:02:12.380 It's going to be just to the south of Losi building.

01:02:14.420 There's a red pathway right directly in the middle of the picture.

01:02:16.640 Off to the south of that on the left side of the picture is an outdoor staircase and stairway.

01:02:20.640 Is that open to the public?

01:02:21.840 It is.

01:02:22.340 And how would someone access the roof from that stairway?

01:02:26.060 They came up, they put them right here on this pathway that goes between the Losi Center

01:02:29.640 and down towards the computer science building.

01:02:31.320 There's a red pathway.

01:02:32.440 There's actually a little handrail, like a little guardrail, probably about a couple feet high

01:02:35.960 that somebody could jump over.

01:02:39.520 Is that area restricted?

01:02:41.000 Is it off limits?

01:02:41.740 Yes, it is.

01:02:42.220 There's kind of like a natural barrier with the guardrail.

01:02:44.720 And from there on, there's no path.

01:02:46.760 It's gravel roof, so it's not paved like everything else.

01:02:49.660 Someone could hop over that railway?

01:02:51.000 Yes.

01:02:51.720 Okay.

01:02:52.700 Thank you, officer.

01:02:53.420 You can take your seat again.

01:02:54.340 Thank you.

01:03:05.960 Officer Bagley, I'm now going to refer you to your attention to State's Exhibit No. 3.

01:03:12.300 That's going to come up on your monitor as well.

01:03:16.720 Let me know when you see that.

01:03:26.660 Yes, I do see it.

01:03:28.180 Okay.

01:03:29.100 And do you recognize that?

01:03:31.040 I do.

01:03:32.380 And what is that?

01:03:34.040 This is a drone picture of the campus, more of the courtyard looking eastward.

01:03:40.480 Okay.

01:03:41.740 I've asked you about several buildings on campus.

01:03:44.720 I'm going to ask you about those same buildings, whether they're depicted in this exhibit, okay?

01:03:49.240 Do you see where the Hall of Flags is located?

01:03:51.800 Yes, I do.

01:03:52.420 It's down towards the bottom.

01:03:53.380 It's a red brick pathway.

01:03:54.460 It would be the Hall of Flags.

01:03:55.600 Okay.

01:03:55.980 What about the Fugle building?

01:03:57.760 Fugle building is going to be to the right of the picture.

01:03:59.520 It's going to be a white roof building off to the right, directly south of the courtyard.

01:04:03.580 And the Woodbury Business Building?

01:04:06.940 Woodbury is going to be another red path that's going to be just to the east of the Fugle Building.

01:04:13.640 It's got a gray roof and some red paths.

01:04:15.900 The Sorensen Center?

01:04:17.620 Sorensen Center is going to be on the left of the picture.

01:04:20.200 It's going to have a white roof, different levels, and that would be the Sorensen Center.

01:04:25.000 Okay.

01:04:25.840 Sorry, guys.

01:04:26.260 Yeah, it is live.

01:04:26.800 Don't worry.

01:04:27.060 I didn't say anything.

01:04:27.880 It is live.

01:04:29.020 The Losi Center, where is that located in relationship to the Sorensen Center that you've described?

01:04:33.580 of the Sorensen Center, it's going to be just directly east of the Sorensen Center towards the top of the picture.

01:04:40.040 You can see the two different colors of grave, the gravel that's on the roof.

01:04:44.040 Okay. And can you see the courtyard in this photograph?

01:04:47.780 Yes, you can.

01:04:48.280 Okay.

01:04:52.340 Is this picture a fair and accurate depiction of this area, Utah Valley University's campus, on September 10, 2025?

01:05:01.800 Yes.

01:05:04.460 State offers Exhibit 3, Your Honor.

01:05:08.740 Honor, we renew the standing objection.

01:05:10.640 We also object, again, that this individual can't identify when the...

01:05:16.820 Sorry, guys, that's her mic just being super loud.

01:05:19.620 ...picture was made or how it was made or by whom.

01:05:25.360 Mr. Lee.

01:05:26.620 Same response, Judge.

01:05:28.060 And just for the record, I would also point the court to State v. Purcell, which is a Supreme Court case here in the state of Utah, 1985,

01:05:38.580 which essentially stands for the proposition that if a competent witness with personal knowledge of the facts represented in a photograph

01:05:47.880 can testify that that photograph accurately represents those facts, the exhibit's admissible.

01:05:55.100 He's also spoke about the date being September 10th, 2025.

01:05:59.320 The showing that's required here is essentially a prima facie showing.

01:06:03.660 We're not required to show proof beyond a reasonable doubt, for example, that it was accurate that day or even a preponderance of the evidence.

01:06:10.260 But we'll submit it on that, Judge.

01:06:12.440 All right.

01:06:13.020 I'm just taking a brief glance at the case you cited.

01:06:19.440 I can give the citation if your honor would like.

01:06:21.260 If you have that, I'd appreciate that.

01:06:23.480 It's 7-1-1, Pacific Second, 243.

01:06:30.980 And I'm looking at page number 245.

01:06:43.960 All right.

01:06:44.800 the court finds that the witness is familiar with the scene he testified that it is a fair

01:06:58.380 and accurate representation of what state's exhibit three purports to be and the court finds

01:07:05.120 a necessary foundation has been laid and overrules the objection states exhibit three

01:07:13.100 may be admitted, is admitted, and may be published.

01:07:16.760 State would move to publish State's Exhibit 3.

01:07:19.440 All right.

01:07:28.060 May I approach the witness, Your Honor?

01:07:29.860 You may.

01:07:31.800 Okay, do they have something else?

01:07:38.680 Officer, if you would come down into the well of the court,

01:07:40.860 I'm going to ask you a few questions about this.

01:07:43.100 this Exhibit 3 as well.

01:07:45.100 Okay.

01:07:47.100 Can you point out where the Hall of Flags is located and describe that for the record?

01:07:53.100 The Hall of Flags is going to be down here on the bottom of the picture.

01:07:56.100 It's going to have a red brick pathway with some flowers along the top of it.

01:07:59.100 You mentioned that you were securing an area of that?

01:08:02.100 Yes.

01:08:03.100 That walkway, where were you stationed?

01:08:06.100 I was down here by the end of the flower pots, which is down here on the south side towards the Fugle building on the far right of the picture.

01:08:12.100 of the picture okay um in relationship to where you were stationed where is the uh hey guys smash

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01:08:27.860 then the fugal building is just to the right of me so it would be on the south end of me okay

01:08:35.460 and so it's on the right side of the photograph there far right side of the photograph what about

01:08:39.380 the business building? The business building is just going to be in the middle of the picture

01:08:44.120 on the far right. It's going to have some red brick pathways. It's going to be multi-level

01:08:48.520 and that will be the Woodbury building. Okay. The Sorensen Center, where is that located

01:08:53.500 on the photograph? Sorensen Center is going to be middle to far left of the picture. It's

01:08:58.040 going to have a white roof on top of it, multi-level. Okay. And the Losey Center, where is that

01:09:02.700 located? Losey Center is going to be towards the top of the picture, kind of off-centered

01:09:08.980 it a little bit but it's gonna have the four or five floors that are the four floors that are

01:09:13.480 sitting right there okay um can you describe those stories what we're looking someone said

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01:09:35.720 possibly five. So this is ground level where the courtyard is so this as you go over in towards

01:09:42.280 the low sea building inside there's an elevator that'd be ground one level one. Level two would

01:09:47.680 be the second one where these red ATVs are sitting on the grass right there in the middle of the

01:09:52.920 picture. If you go from that that would be the third level and your fourth level which is the

01:09:58.020 actual top level of the building is that very top one with the windows that you can see.

01:10:02.580 okay is there an atrium on the top of that there is an atrium it's actually it's got a little

01:10:08.720 sphere on the top of it it looks like a little square right on top of the low sea building that

01:10:13.120 would be an atrium now you mentioned two shades of gray on the rooftop of the low sea building

01:10:17.640 yes can you see that on this exhibit i can so where the atrium is is a lighter gray gravel

01:10:23.220 and on the west side um because i'm looking east on the west side there's two uh ventilations for

01:10:31.700 the Loci building, two vents on top of that, it's in the darker gray.

01:10:35.860 Okay. You mentioned you're familiar with the rooftop of the Loci Center,

01:10:40.260 correct? Yes. When someone is standing on the Loci Center,

01:10:43.760 can they see down into the courtyard? Yes, they can. And where is the

01:10:47.620 courtyard located? It's going to be in the center of the picture with the grass

01:10:51.520 and the atrium style steps. Would that be

01:10:54.660 west of the Loci Center then? Yes, it would be directly west of the Loci Center.

01:10:59.120 Okay. Now, in a couple of the other exhibits, we saw a tent that was down, set up in the courtyard.

01:11:06.120 Can you see that tent set up in the courtyard in this photograph?

01:11:09.280 You cannot. In this picture, you can't.

01:11:11.640 It would be where I explained where the hall of flags is.

01:11:14.460 It's directly underneath the hall of flags, like just on the grass right there.

01:11:18.040 Okay. Can someone, is there a clear line of sight between the tent and the top of the LOSI Center, the rooftop?

01:11:24.780 Yes, there is.

01:11:25.900 Okay. Is some of it obstructed?

01:11:28.200 Yes.

01:11:29.100 Obstructed by what?

01:11:30.340 The Sorenson Building that's right here, this white roof that's going to be,

01:11:34.160 this kind of obstructs a little bit of the view of the courtyard.

01:11:37.480 So where would you have to be standing or perhaps lying down on the Losey Center

01:11:41.920 to see into the courtyard where that tent was?

01:11:44.560 On the far south side of the Losey Building, you could have a line of sight towards the courtyard.

01:11:50.100 And that's the top roof?

01:11:51.280 The top roof, yes.

01:11:52.160 With a darker shade of gray?

01:11:53.600 Yes.

01:11:53.820 Okay, thank you, officer.

01:11:58.520 I am going to refer the witness now

01:12:13.140 to Stace Exhibit No. 35.

01:12:16.580 Be right back, ninjas.

01:12:18.700 And Officer Bagley, when you see that,

01:12:20.680 go ahead and let me know.

01:12:28.520 Do you recognize what that is, officer?

01:12:35.660 I don't have it yet.

01:12:37.400 Oh, okay.

01:12:45.060 So we don't have this in electronic form?

01:12:47.720 We do?

01:12:48.720 Okay.

01:12:51.180 Well, I'll refer you to the exhibit that's to your left and behind you.

01:12:58.520 do you see that I do and it's marked a state's exhibit 35 with a yellow

01:13:04.460 sticker is that correct yes I can see that on top left of the photo well for

01:13:10.400 the record if we can publish that on the witnesses screen thank you mr.

01:13:17.000 Grudenander I was just going to mention that we shouldn't display it until it's

01:13:20.840 been admitted in so

01:13:28.520 Do you see State's Exhibit 35 in your monitor?

01:13:34.520 Yes, I do.

01:13:35.520 Okay, can you, do you recognize that?

01:13:37.520 Yes, I do.

01:13:38.520 And what is that?

01:13:39.520 This is an aerial view of the campus and the northeast area,

01:13:43.520 just north of the campus neighborhoods of Utah Valley University in Orem.

01:13:47.520 Okay.

01:13:48.520 Okay. And how can you personally tell that this is a photograph of the campus and the neighborhood to the northeast of campus?

01:14:01.840 I can tell because I recognize all the buildings, the roads that are around it, the streets, the roundabouts, the neighborhood to the north or towards the top of the building or picture also.

01:14:12.320 Now, I've asked you about several buildings and landmarks on campus.

01:14:17.320 Are you able to see the courtyard on this exhibit?

01:14:21.320 Yes, you are.

01:14:23.320 And just for the record, can you describe where this is located on the exhibit?

01:14:28.320 So right in the center towards the bottom, there's a white triangle roof.

01:14:33.320 That's white. That would be the Sorenson Building.

01:14:35.320 It's the patch of grass that's just directly south of towards the bottom of that on the picture.

01:14:41.320 So it's kind of centered, but more towards the bottom, right in the middle.

01:14:46.820 On this exhibit, are you able to see the Fugle Building?

01:14:49.600 Yes, I am.

01:14:50.920 And in relationship to this courtyard, where is that located?

01:14:53.980 That's going to be south of the courtyard with the white roof.

01:14:58.220 What about the Woodbury Business Building?

01:15:00.700 Woodbury Business Building is going to be to the east, and it's going to have a red brick path top.

01:15:08.100 Okay.

01:15:11.320 Can you see the Hall of Flags on this?

01:15:13.960 Yes, you can.

01:15:15.540 And where is that located in relationship to the courtyard again?

01:15:18.600 I'm going to pull up where this Hall of Flags is because they keep mentioning it.

01:15:22.420 So give me one sec, chat.

01:15:24.000 It's directly west of the courtyard.

01:15:27.160 And the Losey Center. Can you see the Losey Center?

01:15:29.940 Yes, you can see the Losey Center.

01:15:30.920 Where is that at?

01:15:31.960 It's going to be kind of northeast of the courtyard.

01:15:35.380 The two patches of gray that's almost in the center of the picture,

01:15:39.560 just to the slight right of the center.

01:15:42.760 Okay.

01:15:43.780 I've asked you previously about the LDS Institute building.

01:15:46.760 Can you see that on this exhibit?

01:15:48.240 Yes, you can.

01:15:49.080 And where is that located in relationship to the LOSI Center?

01:15:52.400 It's directly north of the LOSI Center.

01:15:54.160 It's got a white roof, and it's almost directly in the center of the photo.

01:15:57.640 Okay.

01:15:58.460 And we've talked about a parking structure that's nearby the Institute building.

01:16:03.060 Do you see that?

01:16:03.840 Yes, it's just to the west or left side of the picture of the Institute building.

01:16:09.560 is this a

01:16:12.400 so this looks like

01:16:13.600 this is where it is

01:16:16.400 okay

01:16:16.740 I remember that people like you

01:16:20.080 were able to see like I think

01:16:21.800 you could see maybe the shooting from here

01:16:23.380 this one over

01:16:25.980 there are all the flags and countries

01:16:28.240 represented by the United Nations

01:16:29.600 but at all there's a scholarship to finance for criminal justice

01:16:32.040 and police

01:16:32.420 okay

01:16:39.560 Yeah, because you had a vantage point, okay, I see why, why they're using that, why they're

01:16:49.180 talking about it.

01:16:51.940 Was this thing silent?

01:17:00.560 Okay, let's go back.

01:17:04.440 and accurate depiction of Utah Valley University's campus and the surrounding neighborhood to the

01:17:11.100 north and east on September 10th, 2025? Yes. State offers State's Exhibit 35. Your Honor, we need a

01:17:17.900 standing objection and object on the grounds that there's no indication on this photograph of when

01:17:21.220 it was taken in terms of relation to the actual incident at issue here. Thank you, Ms. Nester.

01:17:26.820 Mr. Gernetto. Same response, Judge, but I would just add one more case for the court's benefit.

01:17:30.360 This is State v. Wager, or WAGER, W-A-G-E-R.

01:17:33.680 This is a Utah Court of Appeals case from 2016.

01:17:36.780 The citation is 372 Pacific 3rd, 91.

01:17:41.620 And the significance of this case, Your Honor, at issue there was a photograph of the defendant there

01:17:45.980 who was smoking methamphetamine, allegedly, in his bathroom.

01:17:48.920 The witness that was testifying laying the foundation at trial was not present when the photograph was taken.

01:17:54.920 Could not tell the date on which it was taken, but he had been in the bathroom before,

01:17:58.280 was familiar with the defendant's bathroom, and familiar with the defendant.

01:18:00.360 He testified to that personal knowledge, and the court found that was sufficient foundation.

01:18:03.660 So that case, in addition to the other case, the Purcell case, and my previous arguments,

01:18:06.900 and I'll submit it to the court.

01:18:08.380 Ms. Nestor, anything else you wish to add?

01:18:09.800 Hey, guys.

01:18:10.280 All right.

01:18:11.900 Yeah, she's going to object to everything, guys. 1.00

01:18:13.400 I couldn't tell what type of defense attorney she is. 0.99

01:18:15.820 She's going to object to everything. 0.99

01:18:16.920 I mean, look, she's trying to defend her client.

01:18:18.700 Given the testimony of the witness who's testified he's familiar with this location,

01:18:21.620 he went in detail describing the various neighborhoods and location.

01:18:24.780 He mentioned the roundabout and identified the buildings in State's Exhibit 35.

01:18:28.560 and it was noted that it is a fair and accurate representation of this campus as of September 10th, 2025.

01:18:36.360 The court is going to overrule the objection, and State's Exhibit 35 is admitted into evidence and may be published.

01:18:42.120 Thank you, Judge. The state moves to publish it, and if granted, may I approach the exhibit?

01:18:46.380 You may.

01:18:54.980 Okay, now we've got the map.

01:18:58.560 Officer, I've asked you about a number of the buildings located on campus.

01:19:01.560 I'm just going to ask you a couple of questions about those and to help orient the court to

01:19:04.740 what the judge is looking at and then ask you about some of the streets in the neighborhood,

01:19:07.800 okay?

01:19:08.800 Okay.

01:19:09.800 For the court's benefit, can you point out where the LDS Institute building is?

01:19:12.440 Yes, I can.

01:19:13.640 And I'm going to approach the witness again if you could describe where it's out on that

01:19:16.120 Exhibit 35.

01:19:17.120 Okay.

01:19:18.120 Okay, can you hear me?

01:19:22.120 Yes.

01:19:23.120 So you want the LDS Institute building?

01:19:24.120 Yes, please.

01:19:25.120 That is this white roof right here is the Institute building.

01:19:27.760 that in basically the center of the exhibit? That's almost exactly in the

01:19:30.340 center of the exhibit. Okay and where is the Loci Center located on that? If you

01:19:34.540 were to go down towards the bottom of the photo there's two different grades of

01:19:36.400 gravel on this roof this would be the Loci building right here. So below the

01:19:39.580 Institute building and to the right slightly. Can you point out for the

01:19:42.540 court's benefit where the courtyard is? The courtyard is going to be to the west or

01:19:46.080 left side of the picture. There's some grass in between two buildings. I have a

01:19:48.760 white roofs. There would be a grass area right there with some steps. That is

01:19:52.520 going to be the courtyard area and that's going to be down towards the center or

01:19:54.280 bottom of the photo. So that's to the left and down? Yes. Okay you mentioned

01:19:57.760 Where's the parking structure next to the institute building?

01:20:00.780 The institute building is right here in the center with the white roof.

01:20:02.440 The parking structure is going to be just to the left of the institute or west side.

01:20:05.880 There's a road in between it called the heat plant road, which is the road that goes between those two.

01:20:09.020 And can you point out, for the court's benefit, how one would enter that or exit that parking structure by way of vehicle or walking?

01:20:15.620 By entering, you can enter an exit right here on the north side of the parking structure.

01:20:19.420 There's an entrance and exit right here.

01:20:20.460 That's the level one.

01:20:21.680 And that's where we saw him running towards, guys, when you ran away.

01:20:24.180 For vehicles.

01:20:25.160 And I guess someone could walk in there as well.

01:20:26.980 Yes, if they were to park into this LDS Institute parking lot over here on the north side of that,

01:20:33.220 there's a tunnel that goes underneath the road that still comes out into the parking structure itself.

01:20:39.720 And then they can exit out here on the second level onto Heat Plant Road,

01:20:44.220 which is that road between the LDS Institute building and the parking structure is the heat plant.

01:20:49.060 They can exit there and go back towards Campus Drive.

01:20:53.660 So you could walk out either up here on the northeast side of the parking structure

01:20:58.420 and cross over to the LDS Institute, or you can come out here to the southeast side,

01:21:03.540 and you can exit there and walk down to the courtyard

01:21:05.740 or behind the LDS Institute building towards the Lossie Center.

01:21:09.940 Okay, thank you.

01:21:10.980 You mentioned Campus Drive.

01:21:12.720 Where is Campus Drive located on that?

01:21:15.000 Campus Drive starts right up here towards the top left of the picture.

01:21:18.180 It's almost like a T.

01:21:19.840 It's the curved road that comes all the way down in front of the Institute building and the parking structure.

01:21:25.100 And it goes all the way around campus, comes back down to the bottom of the picture where the roundabout is, and that would be Campus Drive.

01:21:32.060 Okay.

01:21:32.900 Are you familiar with where 800 South is in Orem?

01:21:36.300 Yes.

01:21:36.700 Is that depicted on this exhibit?

01:21:38.960 It is.

01:21:39.500 Where is that at?

01:21:40.240 It's at the top of this photo.

01:21:41.540 It's going to be the long straight road.

01:21:43.060 That's right here at the top of the photo.

01:21:44.860 Okay.

01:21:46.220 What about 850 South?

01:21:48.600 Are you familiar with that street?

01:21:50.280 I am.

01:21:50.720 850 South is going to be towards the right of the photo, top right of it.

01:21:56.260 There's going to be a street that goes east to west.

01:21:58.860 It looks like a horseshoe, kind of.

01:22:01.180 It's going to be the road that goes east to west, and in the middle of that horseshoe, it'll be 850.

01:22:05.180 Okay, so 850 is parallel to 800 South.

01:22:08.640 Yes.

01:22:09.240 And just below on this photograph.

01:22:11.800 Yes.

01:22:12.260 Okay.

01:22:13.100 Are you familiar with 600 West?

01:22:15.060 I am.

01:22:15.400 And where's that street in relationship to 850 South?

01:22:19.620 That would be on the far right side of the horseshoe,

01:22:21.960 so towards the right side of the picture,

01:22:23.720 and it's going to be the right side of that horseshoe.

01:22:26.300 And that runs north and south?

01:22:28.940 North and south.

01:22:29.860 Okay.

01:22:30.520 What about 720 West?

01:22:32.260 Are you familiar with that street?

01:22:33.500 Yes, I am.

01:22:34.000 And where's that at?

01:22:34.860 That's going to be to the left side of the horseshoe.

01:22:36.860 That runs north and south.

01:22:39.340 And, guys, Erica Kirk is there, and I saw Tatum there too.

01:22:44.460 Talmud Tatum is there.

01:22:45.820 Okay.

01:22:46.560 So I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't either.

01:22:51.580 Who did I see?

01:22:52.960 I think Jack Posobiec is there too.

01:22:55.120 So there's a lot of people over there, guys.

01:22:58.120 Guys, smash that like button.

01:23:00.020 Y'all got five more minutes, bro.

01:23:02.080 And when I hit 1,000 likes in the next five minutes, I'm going to get off YouTube.

01:23:05.220 We're sitting at 780.

01:23:07.140 1,000 ninjas or else I'm out of here.

01:23:08.740 And it comes down towards the bottom.

01:23:11.320 Okay.

01:23:12.140 And finally, 925 South.

01:23:14.500 925 south is going to be on the bottom of the horseshoe that connects those other two west.

01:23:21.500 Okay, so just in summary, will you describe the horseshoe and what streets amount make up that horseshoe?

01:23:29.300 So the horseshoe comes up off of 800 south, and directly south of that, you'll have 850 south, which is going to be running east to west.

01:23:38.260 On the left side is 725 West of the Horseshoe, and it comes down into 925 South,

01:23:44.840 which wraps back around to 600 West on the far right side of the Horseshoe, on the right side of the picture.

01:23:51.360 Okay. Thank you, officer. You can be seated.

01:23:54.040 Okay, I'm going to take you back to September 10th, 2025.

01:24:08.120 You mentioned you were on campus.

01:24:09.520 You had a particular assignment.

01:24:12.340 Mr. Grinando, I'm sorry.

01:24:13.720 We're just going to pull down the exhibits.

01:24:16.420 Okay.

01:24:17.060 Thank you.

01:24:17.740 You may continue.

01:24:18.620 Would you like me to take this exhibit down, Judge?

01:24:20.320 Are you referring to it in your line of questioning right now?

01:24:24.440 Not right now, I'm not.

01:24:25.540 Okay, let's go ahead and take it down.

01:24:44.380 So you were securing the Hall of Flags walkway, correct?

01:24:48.060 All right, 130 more likes to go, guys. 0.86

01:24:50.320 y'all niggas got a few minutes 120 likes to go on youtube if you guys want to stay on youtube 0.94

01:24:57.020 unless i'm going to force you guys to kick yes on the south end yes who's don jr donald trump 0.90

01:25:03.780 jr bro when they say don jr that means donald trump's son don jr someone in the kick chat

01:25:09.180 kick chat as i'm not kick chat someone in the tiktok chat asked that oh my god

01:25:15.700 yo yo the tiktok brain is real bro that just goes to prove like what i've always said about

01:25:23.740 tiktok tiktok is dominated by progressives bro tiktok is absolutely dominated by progressives

01:25:29.480 it's insane dude what was happening that morning that day on campus at uvu i i came in to do a

01:25:38.920 shift for a special event that where we had a guest speaker come in and was gonna talk to the

01:25:44.200 students and people around the neighborhood. Do you know who the guest speaker was? I do. And who was that? It was Charlie Kirk. Did you see Mr. Kirk that day? I did. When did you first see him? When he arrived on campus just behind the west side of the Hall of Flags I saw him pull up. And can someone access the courtyard in that through that area? Yes they can. How so? Where he pulled up underneath the Hall of Flags is a opening to where

01:26:14.180 You could drive a car underneath, so there's access right there.

01:26:18.580 You could walk or drive underneath the Hall of Flags.

01:26:21.580 And you saw him arrive?

01:26:23.160 Yes.

01:26:23.660 Okay.

01:26:27.100 Describe what you were seeing.

01:26:29.300 What did you observe?

01:26:31.500 On that day, I observed Charlie going back, doing some meet and greet with some people, getting some foes taken.

01:26:38.900 He then came underneath the Hall of Flags and went to his tent.

01:26:42.540 and he was there answering questions and talking to individuals that would ask him questions.

01:26:49.660 The tent you're referring to, is that the tent that we see when it was set up in the courtyard?

01:26:54.520 Yeah, that white square tent.

01:26:55.780 The white top.

01:26:56.480 Yes, he was under that.

01:26:59.100 Fast forward to about 12.20 or so, so a little bit after noon, the noon hour.

01:27:05.380 What happened?

01:27:06.600 What did you see and what did you hear?

01:27:08.700 I heard an individual talking to Charlie,

01:27:10.880 and I happened to kind of glance over the edge of the railing about that time.

01:27:16.260 I could see the right side of Charlie's shoulder, so not his whole body,

01:27:20.080 because he was underneath the tent, so I could only see probably the right side of his body.

01:27:24.640 He was answering a question, the kid asked him a question, and then I heard a shot fired.

01:27:30.160 Do you know what time that was?

01:27:32.060 Yes.

01:27:32.700 What time was that?

01:27:33.660 12.23.

01:27:36.000 What did you see?

01:27:37.340 Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk, man.

01:27:40.680 Rest in peace to Charlie Kirk.

01:27:41.820 I don't care what you guys think about him.

01:27:46.580 Horrible. 0.97

01:27:47.380 Absolutely horrible, man.

01:27:49.660 At that moment, I saw him lean to the left.

01:27:53.120 When you say him, you say Charlie.

01:27:55.080 Charlie.

01:27:55.420 So I saw him go to the left because I could no longer see the right side of his body.

01:28:01.140 So he went further underneath the tent to the north side of the tent, so left.

01:28:05.340 Okay. 0.99

01:28:05.560 Some moron says you idolize Kirk. Actually, no, me and him disagreed on quite a bit. 0.99

01:28:10.300 But I had the humanity to, you know, feel compassion for a man that was a father, a husband, very influential to a lot of people. 0.97

01:28:19.040 I'm not a moron like you and wish death upon someone just because I might disagree with them politically. 1.00

01:28:24.540 Idiot. 1.00

01:28:26.920 Can you describe the reaction of others that were there? 1.00

01:28:29.220 uh yeah so then um everybody started getting up and starting to run uh and more of a chaos kind

01:28:37.080 of situation before you continue can you describe a little bit so you mentioned mr kirk was i got a

01:28:44.860 good question here i'll answer this question um for you top j marklevin he says i'm sorry if you

01:28:49.360 answered this already but why did the state take the case was it better that that uh was it better

01:28:52.840 that the fbi took the case um no because uh states normally take murder cases

01:28:56.880 if there's no infection of if there's like no effect of interstate commerce a lot of the times

01:29:02.080 the state takes murder cases especially pre um premeditated murders like this state normally

01:29:08.420 takes them answering questions talking to individuals yes were there others present

01:29:12.660 yes um any idea about approximately how many how would you describe it in your terms in my terms

01:29:18.880 i'd say when i was up there looking down i'd say there's several thousand people because you had

01:29:22.700 on the grass i was jam-packed in the amphitheater sitting on the grass you had people standing on

01:29:28.320 the back up along the cement you had people that were on the second level the sorenson and over by

01:29:33.880 the woodbury building there's another level there where a lot of people were standing and watching

01:29:37.520 so it was it was pretty packed several thousand people and let me be clear even if someone that

01:29:42.760 i didn't didn't agree with like let's say hassan biker or dean withers or one of these other like

01:29:46.220 progressives kyle kalinsky like if something happened to them i would also say rest in peace

01:29:49.760 by the way fyi even my political opponents i don't wish any harm on them like it's called

01:29:55.180 being a human being see the problem is that this issue with a lot of you guys that say oh

01:29:59.000 why do you say r.i.p for charlie kirk you don't understand violence okay you probably never shot

01:30:04.080 a gun in your life probably never been in a fight in your life so for you you don't understand the

01:30:08.100 gravity and the seriousness of violence and death i do and i don't wish it upon my worst enemy

01:30:13.920 because i i know what it's like you ever put a gun to somebody's head saying if you yo put your

01:30:19.620 hands up you ever you know been in a situation where you almost pull the trigger probably not 1.00

01:30:23.020 so please shut up please shut up i don't want to hear from any of you fucking keyboard warriors 1.00

01:30:27.860 oh well why would you say r.i.p to charlie kirk he was a bigot shut the hell up shut the hell up 1.00

01:30:33.200 i'll extend the same courtesy to anyone regardless of their political 0.98

01:30:36.960 affiliation all right it's always the people that have never done anything

01:30:42.540 that have the most to say when it comes to you know something bad happened to someone physically

01:30:49.580 insane dude insane you mentioned so you mentioned you heard something what did you hear again

01:30:56.820 i heard a gunshot okay and can you describe the you described mr kirk's reaction

01:31:03.200 was that simultaneous to hearing the the gunshot yes it was when he fell to the left yes did you 1.00

01:31:10.240 see the reaction from the crowd yes what was that everybody it's the tiktok morons guys that are 1.00

01:31:16.700 like losing their minds again tiktok is dominated by libs so of course they're going to say some 1.00

01:31:21.020 bs about charlie they all said a lot of people were screaming standing up and starting to run

01:31:26.220 in all different directions away from the center of the tent okay you're a police officer helping

01:31:32.060 to secure the area correct yes what did you do um at that moment i recognized it as gunfire i uh i

01:31:39.580 left my post which was right down the south end of the hall of flags i went i proceeded to between

01:31:45.580 right where the fugal and the hall flags meet there's some outside stairs that i was starting

01:31:49.500 to run down as i was trying to get down to the bottom of the stairs people are running up people

01:31:53.420 were laying down on the steps i'm trying to jump over people to get to the bottom of the stairs so

01:31:57.580 i can help uh stop an individual that's probably shooting um what happened next um by the time i

01:32:06.700 got to the bottom of the stairs we i was informed on the radio that we had a shooter in custody

01:32:11.940 So I thought at that moment, I was like, oh, that was kind of fast.

01:32:15.120 Obviously, it was close range probably because we had an individual in custody.

01:32:18.880 Another officer came on and said we had an individual in custody.

01:32:21.460 That was the old man, if I'm not mistaken, that they first grabbed up.

01:32:24.620 That was crazy?

01:32:26.620 So I decided to, since the threat is gone, now I can assess for anybody that's injured

01:32:33.280 and start looking for any medical needs that's needed at that moment.

01:32:37.200 I started canvassing the area.

01:32:39.520 as I canvassed the area I was looking for anybody that was injured I saw a kid

01:32:44.380 on the ground that was on the about the second or third tier of the in the grass

01:32:48.040 next to a wheelchair and he was almost convulsing I thought he'd maybe been

01:32:53.140 shot talked to the dad as I was running over there he said that he was just

01:32:56.360 having a seizure that he was fine he was not injured so then at that moment I

01:32:59.800 observed that there was no other injuries that I could see at that moment

01:33:03.460 okay did was your attention drawn to anything else at that time yeah so

01:33:09.460 So after we got some people kind of cleared away a little bit, I thought I needed to start preserving the scene because we had a crime scene.

01:33:16.400 And with some of my experience and training to that effect, I decided now we need to contain the scene and help preserve as much evidence as we can.

01:33:23.840 So I started pushing people off the grass out of the courtyard area because I knew that's where the crime scene was.

01:33:30.760 So as we started pushing those guys out, my chief, Chief Long, that was right next to me.

01:33:36.400 I looked down and saw an empty pistol holder that was sitting just on top of the grass.

01:33:43.400 And at that moment, things had died down just a split second.

01:33:46.180 I realized that the shot I heard was more of a rifle shot and not a pistol shot.

01:33:52.100 And what causes you to say that?

01:33:57.180 Just from being around firearms through all my trainings,

01:34:01.760 the difference is, you know, a handgun is more of a short bang pop sound.

01:34:06.400 uh i'm gonna play the audio for you guys here because like you can hear the echo

01:34:10.560 we're gonna go to kick though i don't even want to play this on tiktok or youtube guys come on

01:34:14.900 over come on over i'm gonna get i'm getting off youtube i'm getting off tiktok right now

01:34:18.400 i'm gonna play the clip for you guys you can hear the gunshot

01:34:21.360 so come on over let's go i'm ending uh i'm ending youtube and uh i'm ending youtube and

01:34:29.620 tiktok right now coming over to kick kick.com slash myra gains x guys let's go let's go

01:34:36.020 ending tiktok ending youtube right now this is the kick the streams are the the link is right

01:34:41.580 there just join up guys it's completely free there's no ads okay completely free there's no ads

01:34:46.540 jump on in okay jump on in and just i'm no i'm ending tiktok because i got i'm tired of censoring

01:34:53.880 myself dude i seriously have to censor myself ridiculous whenever i'm on here and it's annoying

01:34:58.180 as hell so i'm ending tiktok right now and youtube come on over guys come on over actually 0.60

01:35:05.400 I'm going to end Facebook, too.

01:35:06.980 Facebook, TikTok, and YouTube going down.

01:35:11.900 Come on over, guys.

01:35:13.580 Kick.com slash MarioGamesX.

01:35:14.800 Let's go.

01:35:21.760 All right.

01:35:24.080 YouTube going down. 1.00

01:35:28.680 Come on over, Ninjas.

01:35:32.020 Why won't let me?

01:35:35.400 I'll keep playing this for you guys.

01:35:37.400 With a rifle you have more of a longer violent bang or crackle sound.

01:35:44.400 It's more of a violent kind of sound that's longer, so that's why I recognized it.

01:35:49.400 Okay. Is a rifle sound louder typically?

01:35:52.400 Yes.

01:35:53.400 Okay. Going back to when you heard this gunshot, could you tell where it came from?

01:36:03.400 Some direction? Yes, I knew it came to that from the east of me the east of you, okay

01:36:09.820 So you see this this realization comes to your mind. What did you do next?

01:36:14.840 At that moment when I saw the holster the empty holster

01:36:17.620 I turned to my chief and I said that was that was a rifle shot. He said I agree and I looked up at that moment

01:36:24.460 Right in the line of sight. I could see the Loci building had a direct line of sight

01:36:29.040 So I proceeded to go look at that and see what was going on up there

01:36:33.400 Okay. Can you just briefly describe your route to the Lossie Center?

01:36:38.300 So from the courtyard, you can go into the Sorenson Center.

01:36:41.600 And like I said earlier, there was, on level one, there's some elevators or there's stairs.

01:36:47.080 I ran up four flights of stairs, got to the fourth level of the Lossie Building,

01:36:52.620 and proceeded to the south of the Lossie Building.

01:36:55.760 There's some stairs, which is that breezeway between the Computer Science Building and the Lossie Building.

01:37:02.460 there's some stairs that go up to the top of that and so i went to the top of that is that stairway

01:37:07.100 that you previously described yes on the outside of the low seat building just okay that it's an

01:37:12.300 it's a public stairway yeah we have some breaking news um did you make it to the rooftop i did do

01:37:18.380 you know about what time you got there um i probably i got there 12 44. okay all right so here it is

01:37:32.460 One of my friends told me that Charlie Kirk was going to be on the campus, like slump over, and then the crowd just pushed back.

01:37:39.380 It was looking people.

01:37:40.620 If I can't see Charlie's head.

01:37:42.360 The last 10 years, counting or not counting gang violence.

01:37:45.400 Great.

01:37:46.900 And you can hear the gunshot echoing.

01:37:49.400 That's how you know it's a rifle.

01:37:50.920 And shot from a distance as well with the echo.

01:37:54.380 That's what the police officer is referring to.

01:37:57.240 What did you do when you got on top?

01:37:59.680 When I got on top, I hopped over the guardrail.

01:38:03.220 I noticed that there was an object which was sitting right about 10 or 15 feet in from the other side of the guardrail in the gravel.

01:38:11.140 That looked out of place to me.

01:38:13.820 And in relationship to where you hopped over the guardrail, what direction was that object?

01:38:19.920 To the west of the guardrail.

01:38:21.560 Okay.

01:38:22.680 And did you recognize the object?

01:38:25.520 I did.

01:38:26.140 And what was it?

01:38:26.800 It was a red and black screwdriver.

01:38:28.700 Okay.

01:38:30.480 Did you touch that object?

01:38:31.940 I did not.

01:38:32.680 Okay.

01:38:39.000 That's the court reporter, the furious typing you guys here.

01:38:41.320 I'm going to refer the witness on your screen, Officer Bagley, to State's Exhibit 3.1.

01:38:48.220 Let me know when you see that.

01:38:49.580 Holy, bro, how many?

01:38:50.740 These guys got a lot of exhibits.

01:38:52.060 I already heard 35.

01:38:55.640 Yes, I see it.

01:38:56.880 Do you recognize what that is?

01:38:58.360 I do.

01:38:58.700 And what is that?

01:38:59.560 That's a picture of the screwdriver that I saw that day on top of the rooftop of the LOSI building.

01:39:02.200 Okay.

01:39:03.220 And that's how it appeared on the roof that day?

01:39:04.680 Yes.

01:39:05.040 Remember, guys, I told you about the screwdriver that he left on top of the building?

01:39:08.160 Is that a fair and accurate portrayal of the screwdriver you observed and found that day?

01:39:11.480 Yes.

01:39:12.480 Around the state offers.

01:39:13.220 And they got a lot of exhibits.

01:39:14.260 Guys, this is just a preliminary hearing.

01:39:16.560 They're going hard.

01:39:17.920 State's exhibit 3.1.

01:39:19.340 News Naster.

01:39:19.660 I think the reason why the prosecution is going so hard is because of all the alternative theories out there, which obviously hurt their case.

01:39:25.660 and we renew excuse me we renew our standing objection and object on the grounds that there's

01:39:30.540 no foundation latest when the photo was taken or by home thank you that's like what the fourth time

01:39:35.420 she's tried this now with the foundation same response judge yeah same response judge my

01:39:41.240 previous arguments did you state that this was a fair and accurate representation as of september

01:39:45.320 10th i had said that day i'll ask it again all right to the officer officer bagley um you were

01:39:49.720 you saw this screwdriver you're describing on september 10th 2025 is that correct yes

01:39:53.080 is state's exhibit 3.1 a fair and accurate depiction of that screwdriver that day september

01:39:57.720 10th 2025 yes all right state moves to admit i will go ahead and admit state's exhibits 3.1 is

01:40:03.820 admitted based off the firsthand knowledge of this uh what this image purports to be and is a fair

01:40:08.860 and accurate representation as uh this item on that date of september 10th 2025 so that's the

01:40:14.900 second chair prosecutor right there so they got two prosecutors on this case and this he's lead

01:40:19.560 He's lead ADA.

01:40:21.720 He's second chair.

01:40:23.500 Exhibit may be published.

01:40:24.980 Your Honor, before we continue to publish it and ask a few more questions, right now might be a good time to take a break.

01:40:29.620 All right.

01:40:29.900 That's okay, Court.

01:40:30.880 All right.

01:40:31.320 Let's come back at it.

01:40:32.100 It's 1043.

01:40:32.820 Let's go ahead and come back.

01:40:33.480 Well, 1044.

01:40:34.060 Let's come back at 11 o'clock, and then we'll resume.

01:40:36.280 The court is in a brief reset.

01:40:38.080 Okay.

01:40:38.840 So, all right.

01:40:40.240 So, what do we know?

01:40:41.280 So, basically, the first witness is a police officer that has an intimate knowledge of the campus, knows where all the buildings are.

01:40:51.020 As you guys can see, he was there to paint a picture of the layout.

01:40:54.660 He knows the campus like the back of his hand.

01:40:57.800 He was probably the most senior officer that testified the most and understood the campus best.

01:41:01.740 So, that's probably why the state picked him as the witness for establishing the campus.

01:41:07.000 He also understands the camera system and everything else like that.

01:41:09.020 Normally when you get witnesses, you want to get a witness that you can do multiple things at once.

01:41:15.320 So that's kind of what went down here, and that's why they picked him.

01:41:20.020 I predict the next witness, well, they said the government's witness, I think they said there's four of them, if I'm not mistaken.

01:41:24.840 They're going to probably all be law enforcement, more than likely.

01:41:27.480 And again, the reason why they're going to be law enforcement is because all you're doing is establishing probable cause.

01:41:32.600 Hearsay, guys, is allowed in preliminary hearings, also known as probable cause hearings.

01:41:39.760 Let me read some of these super chats real fast.

01:41:42.580 One chat says, OSS 90 Day Fellows competition for $50 buy-in for the first few entries, guys.

01:41:49.600 First prize gets $12.50.

01:41:51.080 Second prize, $9.80.

01:41:52.000 Third prize, $5.60.

01:41:53.260 Fourth prize, $3.50.

01:41:54.960 Fifth prize, $2.10.

01:41:56.600 Six prize, $1.50, man.

01:41:57.900 So get in there, guys.

01:41:59.220 Got a fitness competition going in.

01:42:01.100 I am very racist.

01:42:01.960 Thanks for becoming a monthly supporter.

01:42:04.960 DJ says, yo, Myron, love everything you're doing, bro.

01:42:07.620 Been a longtime viewer of FNF.

01:42:09.020 you nick and your bro are the realest ones on here appreciate you keeping it real thank you bro

01:42:13.300 uh please mod on tiktok oss 300 members desert joe announce for him to chat so he can uh find him

01:42:21.120 please okay yeah desert joe uh say something in the chat so i can find you and i'll give you an

01:42:25.560 og uh badge it's crazy that tala rompson is going bald from the stress knowing that he did uh what

01:42:31.620 he did was going to have severe consequences yeah repealed 19th for pierce morgan one chess uh mod

01:42:37.700 on tiktok ophelia hudson oh yeah well i don't um i got on tiktok but yeah i can mod some people i

01:42:43.220 gotta i gotta give a bunch of um oss guys a wrench on uh tiktok it's getting outrageous on tiktok we 0.98

01:42:48.480 all had a fucking faggots over there so um you know it's all good uh but you know the the reason 0.98

01:42:55.160 why i'm on tiktok is because it's good for discovery and uh we can you know i don't know 0.99

01:42:59.760 how i'm going along i'm gonna last but you know it is what it is um snowyango slash modern uh

01:43:05.340 morning stream i got you bro uh guys get your chats in by the way right now get your chats in

01:43:11.680 right now guys by the way so i can um you know because i don't want to stop the show too much

01:43:17.060 while we're uh covering the trial even though you don't you would have wished uh that upon them

01:43:23.780 kyle klinski and asan piker would wish that on you and laugh at the video you're a better person 0.98

01:43:27.720 than them and that's why we're better than the left because even though they're fags we don't 0.98

01:43:31.680 wish death on them exactly exactly i've always told you guys this that progressives are more 0.99

01:43:35.340 violent than we are you know we can't we can't um we can't go down to their level okay we're 0.98

01:43:40.780 better than niggas so um so that's kind of like how i look at it you know i mean 0.99

01:43:47.480 progressives like think violence is cool because they're faggots so yeah while we wait i got this 0.99

01:43:57.040 clip here of uh some girl apparently i was drinking and driving while i wait for the uh 1.00

01:44:02.480 the preliminary hearing to resume this disgusting person this annoying obnoxious i don't even know 1.00

01:44:08.800 who this bitch is but i already know she's a thot i already know retarded pig should be permanently 1.00

01:44:16.820 banned off of the platform you are drinking and driving you're reading chat yeah that's crazy bro 1.00

01:44:25.620 yo these twitch hoes bro literally like get away with everything dude i don't even know 0.99

01:44:30.880 who is this girl caseytron never heard of her in my life dude never heard of her in my life 1.00

01:44:39.020 and you're also doing it all on stream you are a worthless garbage you have always been worthless 0.99

01:44:47.600 garbage but it's just somehow gotten worse over the years and seeing the massive follow-off from 0.99

01:44:55.460 3 000 subs down to a sub goal of 150 oh yeah that's cooked i mean that's really sad 0.96

01:45:04.940 it's extremely sad yeah she probably uh stopped being consistent or you know just got lazy or

01:45:13.120 something and i don't think you should get banned you should get arrested this is it should be

01:45:19.920 against the law she sued pewdiepie for what what are you doing i i hope that she stays permanently

01:45:29.320 banned if she does by the way i want to let you know that i will never stop talking about you and

01:45:36.540 keeping up with you i will never stop in 20 years i will do it i'll it will come to my mind if i'm

01:45:47.000 still alive in 20 years if you're still alive in 20 years it will come to mind and i'll think

01:45:54.960 you know what what's she up to nowadays how can i make it worse

01:45:59.200 i'd do it for the love of the game 1.00

01:46:03.120 hey respect fuck these bitches man i agree i i've noticed i don't know if you guys have noticed but 1.00

01:46:11.500 asthma gold has become a lot more red pill on women which i i'm here for it 1.00

01:46:17.000 he's off with the juice okay we got a jew pillum 0.91

01:46:22.680 but he's getting good with the women i remember he reacted to one of my clips 0.78

01:46:30.560 when i was talking about how men and women aren't equal and uh he um and i was like you know i made

01:46:38.220 a reaction to it maybe he watched it i don't know i know i know he watches my stuff and i watch his 0.91

01:46:42.360 of course um but uh yeah ever since then i've just been seeing them like dunking on these 1.00

01:46:48.360 fucking whores which is great because to be honest with john niggas women deserve less 1.00

01:46:54.080 i've already talked about this extensively they really are fucking most of these women 1.00

01:46:57.160 are fucking useless they really are useless dude it's fucking incredible 1.00

01:47:01.700 my next goal is to jupe pill him i jupe pill tectone 1.00

01:47:08.220 i'm gonna have to take credit for that one i think i drew a pill tectone bro

01:47:14.020 because he wasn't really aware when we had our conversation and i told him look bro here's the

01:47:22.540 problem with the jews right if you guys remember that interview that i did with him 0.96

01:47:27.960 you know i fucking uh went in there i was like hey bro here's the issue with the jews 0.95

01:47:36.260 and uh i've been looking at on twitter he's like you know bro's waking up man 0.97

01:47:41.560 so yeah i i'm just so you guys know let me be clear about i like osmogold

01:47:49.360 he's shown me love before he's reacted to my college campus debates

01:47:53.480 and my uh jew dancing right one of my favorite songs 0.99

01:48:02.360 i got my seven seven seven thousand dollars i don't give a shit about dead kids 0.97

01:48:09.180 you know he reacted to that and shit like that so shout out to him bro shout out to him i like 0.98

01:48:26.600 eyes will go like i said before i'm gonna my goal is i'm going to jupil him okay we're gonna be 0.99

01:48:34.200 throwing romans and saying fuck israel soon get ready niggas get ready so and honestly at this 0.94

01:48:41.740 point right i truly do think it's a lot of you guys in chat right now give me a one in the chat 0.99

01:48:50.680 if it was either me, Nick Fuentes, Sneeko, Zerka, who else?

01:48:59.160 Yeah, it was probably one of us four. 0.99

01:49:00.680 Give me a word to show if one of us fucking Jew-pilled you. 0.99

01:49:03.440 It was one of us four, bro. 1.00

01:49:07.620 There you go.

01:49:10.060 There you go. 1.00

01:49:12.420 So, and we did that shit before October 7th. 1.00

01:49:16.220 Okay? 1.00

01:49:17.440 We were doing that way before October 7th.

01:49:20.680 So shout out to all the guys, man.

01:49:22.680 Shout out to all the guys.

01:49:23.300 That's why I said, bro, we're NATO, man. 1.00

01:49:25.260 Niggas against Talmudic order. 1.00

01:49:27.420 Okay, NATO. 1.00

01:49:28.720 Niggas against Talmudic order. 1.00

01:49:35.320 So. 1.00

01:49:39.680 All right.

01:49:40.780 So we're still waiting on this to come back.

01:49:42.300 All right, let's surf next.

01:49:44.200 Let's see what's going on in the news. 0.99

01:49:50.680 uh who the fuck is this guy daniel mcadams 0.98

01:49:56.640 you have director on pull institute okay 0.99

01:50:01.640 oh he follows me all right

01:50:05.560 oh here we go you're right kim i here we we got some twitter drama right

01:50:20.640 off rip so he says please follow me or send me your content i'd like to invite you to speak at

01:50:25.940 our 10th annual ron paul institute dc conference i have kind of spoiled the surprise if there is

01:50:31.140 to be a surprise okay shout out to ron paul man you know i i like the thing i love about libertarians

01:50:38.740 the most is that they're anti-war okay that's what i like about libertarians the most i don't

01:50:44.260 identify as libertarian though because like i don't think like you know women should vote and

01:50:49.300 shit so i don't i wouldn't identify as a libertarian because i do think that libertarianism

01:50:54.140 leads to a lot of degeneracy if i'm going to be honest like libertarians are basically like 0.99

01:51:00.580 progressives that just don't want free shit if we're going to be all the way honest 1.00

01:51:04.780 right it's like ultimate liberty like we don't care you can be a whore you can be a faggot you 1.00

01:51:12.780 can do whatever you want to do you want to suck some cock out you know outside whatever 1.00

01:51:16.340 so like libertarians are like you know it's like uh it's like i call it like the atheist political 0.99

01:51:23.580 party you know what i mean i know some libertarians right now are probably freaking out no dude it's 0.93

01:51:29.760 not like that it's not like that at all man all right bro have y'all niggas smoke weed and are 0.91

01:51:38.380 degenerates like basically libertarians look at it like if you're not hurting anybody who cares 1.00

01:51:44.020 that's how libertarians look at it right you want to be a slut be a slut who cares 1.00

01:51:48.080 progressives want free shit though progressives want big government and they want free shit that 1.00

01:51:54.120 is like the main difference between a progressive and a libertarian libertarians want small government 1.00

01:51:59.420 autonomy um you know freedom that type of shit but they're okay with degeneracy to get it

01:52:07.760 so anyway so he's inviting uh but i do like ron paul though i like that like there's a lot of

01:52:14.680 libertarians i like by the way don't get it twisted i like ron paul i like thomas massey

01:52:18.320 i consider thomas massey a libertarian he's not really a republican right dave smith i like these

01:52:25.060 guys okay uh so kim ivers says she was ultra pro covid lockdowns shots of authoritarian by the 0.98

01:52:32.760 way and pro russia gay and pretty much been the wrong side of every issue except outside oh damn 1.00

01:52:36.720 Kim coming out with the swinging and in response, you're right, Kim. 0.97

01:52:41.080 I definitely felt rush again and admitted as much slash apologize for it.

01:52:43.760 But I think you're being unfair with COVID.

01:52:45.300 I support the anti-lockdown protesters who are being excretionated by our media, even though I was for the lockdowns early on.

01:52:52.220 And while I advocated for the vaccine, I didn't agree with punishing or denying medical care to those who refuse to get it.

01:52:58.140 I'm not anywhere near perfect, but I do my best to admit when I'm wrong and correct the record.

01:53:02.320 You were wrong about Tulsi.

01:53:03.960 I don't use that to discredit everything you do. 1.00

01:53:06.720 Damn, what a fucking mature response. 1.00

01:53:08.480 Holy. 1.00

01:53:09.880 I was still waiting. 0.99

01:53:12.860 I would consider someone like an...

01:53:14.660 So, there are some progressives that I like,

01:53:17.920 that I consider sensible.

01:53:19.440 She's one of them.

01:53:21.020 She's one of them.

01:53:22.080 Anna Kasperian.

01:53:23.280 So, shout out to her. 1.00

01:53:26.060 She tells Netanyahu, fuck you and shit like that, 1.00

01:53:31.320 which is good. 1.00

01:53:34.820 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:53:35.460 Look at, oh, Israel exposed. 1.00

01:53:38.540 Bro put out a website called Archive Genocide.

01:53:41.240 Bro, these dudes are losing their mind. 0.70

01:53:44.200 They are losing their mind, these IOs.

01:53:47.980 Still waiting on the recess. 0.96

01:53:49.740 By God willing, Israel will be ready.

01:53:52.020 But you literally have a population of 7 million people, of which half are women. 0.95

01:53:56.600 There is a recovery period we need until November.

01:53:59.860 I know, by God's...

01:54:05.460 Oh no. I pissed off the shoes. What am I gonna do now? I don't want to lose everything. Someone, please help me.

01:54:35.460 Oh, man. 1.00

01:54:38.060 Jews mad. 1.00

01:54:39.960 Oh, no, I said the truth, and it really pissed off the Jews, and I don't know what to do, I have way too much to lose. 0.99

01:54:53.280 I didn't tell any lies 0.99

01:54:56.720 But I need to apologize 1.00

01:54:59.660 I know that the Jews can easily destroy my life 1.00

01:55:07.000 Hey, little boy, I heard you calling 1.00

01:55:11.720 No need to cry, now you can stop falling

01:55:15.200 I can help you make it all go away

01:55:18.320 But you have to do exactly what I say

01:55:22.600 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall

01:55:26.460 If you want to keep it all

01:55:29.880 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall

01:55:33.480 If you want to be a soul

01:55:36.940 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall

01:55:40.500 If you know what's good for you

01:55:43.900 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall 1.00

01:55:47.480 Never forget you're ruled by Jews 1.00

01:55:50.740 Oh, thank you so much for being forgiven 1.00

01:55:55.040 I'm so happy about this choice I'm giving

01:55:58.740 I was just being edgy, I didn't mean to offend

01:56:02.080 I will get to Jerusalem and make it right on my end

01:56:05.940 Good little boy, I knew you'd understand

01:56:09.740 I'll have my contacts waiting for you in the promised land

01:56:13.300 And when you get there, they won't be mean to you 0.99

01:56:16.220 Just remind them that you're apologizing to the Jews 1.00

01:56:19.980 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall 1.00

01:56:24.200 If you wanna keep it all

01:56:27.780 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall 1.00

01:56:31.440 Old slasher chat, niggas 1.00

01:56:32.980 Old slasher chat, let's go 1.00

01:56:35.200 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall

01:56:38.220 If you know what's good for you

01:56:41.640 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall 1.00

01:56:45.240 Never forget you're ruled by Jews 1.00

01:56:49.980 Come on, man. 1.00

01:57:11.220 Hey, that's a banger, right? 1.00

01:57:15.460 Yo, they're fucking losing their minds, bro. 1.00

01:57:18.960 All right. 0.99

01:57:19.980 halftime's over it's back in session before we get started i want to clarify on the record that

01:57:28.220 uh pursuant to the utah constitution section one i'm sorry article one section 28

01:57:37.500 uh where victims and victims representatives are entitled to be treated with dignity and respect

01:57:43.820 that if they choose to leave the courtroom there they can come back whenever they wish they're not

01:57:49.740 prohibited to coming back yeah because earlier in the thing you said if you leave the courtroom

01:57:54.700 you can't come back but for the victims you know they can come back for obvious reasons i mean i'm

01:57:58.460 sure erica kirk is going to step out a few times when some of this evidence is presented solely at

01:58:03.020 the break so i just wanted to clarify that uh in case there was any question about that in addition

01:58:10.300 I want to talk about the exhibits as it relates to their admission and publication of the exhibit.

01:58:24.420 So whenever there is an objection to an exhibit, I would ask that the attorneys are clear specifically what they're objecting to.

01:58:32.740 There's basically three levels of objections that could be objected to.

01:58:38.080 First, the admittance of the exhibit itself.

01:58:41.240 Second is the publication of the exhibit to the gallery.

01:58:45.260 And third is the publication which is electronically captured by the media.

01:58:53.960 So, Council, I'll leave it to you in regards to what you object to or what you wish to respond to.

01:59:01.700 If no objection to the publication, Media Capture of the Exhibit, is specifically raised, the court will presume there's no objection.

01:59:10.400 So being that the monitor was introduced today by the court, I wanted to offer that guidance to the parties in regards to your objections.

01:59:20.800 With that, let's go ahead and return to the witnesses.

01:59:23.340 I do note for the record that the council is present and all the parties are present, and let's go ahead and proceed.

01:59:30.660 Mr. Gurdnander.

01:59:34.680 Thank you, Your Honor.

01:59:36.060 We left off Officer Bagley with just having admitted State's Exhibit 3.1.

01:59:41.120 I believe the court also granted our motion to publish 3.1.

01:59:46.580 So we would ask the court to publish that to the gallery, 3.1.

01:59:52.860 To Ms. Nester, any thoughts?

01:59:55.120 No, Your Honor.

01:59:55.660 All right, we'll go ahead and publish Exhibit 3.1.

02:00:00.660 Thank you.

02:00:30.660 Looks like it's

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02:00:51.880 Thank you.

02:01:21.880 All right, it looks like it's noticing a flicker on my screen here.

02:01:28.680 All right.

02:01:41.320 Yes.

02:01:48.120 All right, Mr. Grenander.

02:01:49.980 Thank you, Judge.

02:01:51.380 Officer Bagley, so you testified that this is the screwdriver as you saw it on September 10th, 2025, correct?

02:01:57.420 Yes.

02:01:58.240 I'm going to...

02:01:59.780 This is a critical piece of evidence, guys, because this was a screwdriver that was used to assemble the gun that has Tyler's DNA on it, according to the state.

02:02:08.560 And this was on top of which roof?

02:02:10.740 The Low C building.

02:02:11.820 And in relationship to the entrance, the stairway, and when you hopped over the rail to get there, where was it located?

02:02:19.000 About 10 or 15 feet in.

02:02:20.200 Okay. If I could, Your Honor, bring up State's Exhibit No. 2 that was previously admitted.

02:02:28.160 I would like to have Officer Bagley come down from the witness stand and point on that exhibit

02:02:35.520 approximately where this screwdriver was located and describe it for the record.

02:02:41.320 All right. You may step down. And if you have a microphone for him as well.

02:02:46.560 I think there was one up there. Oh, here we go.

02:02:50.200 So if you can describe where you saw that screwdriver,

02:03:00.600 point to that.

02:03:01.880 Yeah, so this is the Losey building right here with light

02:03:03.960 gray.

02:03:04.460 Here's the guardrail in the center of the picture

02:03:06.720 with the red brick.

02:03:07.860 Just over that, about 10, 15 feet in, about right there.

02:03:11.480 About right there.

02:03:12.260 OK.

02:03:12.920 Now on this exhibit, exhibit 3.1,

02:03:15.200 there's an evidence tag, yellow number five.

02:03:18.880 Was that present when you found the screwdriver?

02:03:20.920 No.

02:03:21.300 Okay.

02:03:21.720 So that was left there by an evidence tech?

02:03:24.320 Yes.

02:03:24.580 Okay.

02:03:25.220 All right.

02:03:26.080 Okay.

02:03:26.940 Thank you.

02:03:27.700 You can take your seat again.

02:03:30.800 So he might have been the one to find a screwdriver, too.

02:03:33.580 Okay.

02:03:33.900 Officer, I'm going to direct your attention to your monitor again

02:03:49.860 and have you look at State's Exhibit 3.2.

02:03:56.840 And if you'll let me know when you see that.

02:04:01.260 Okay, I see it.

02:04:02.560 Okay.

02:04:03.900 And can you tell us what that is?

02:04:06.680 Yes, that's a picture of the top of the Loci building looking west.

02:04:10.780 Okay.

02:04:11.500 And how do you know that that is, in fact, the top of the Loci Center looking west?

02:04:15.920 I can see the landmarks of several buildings, the Fugle buildings on the top left of it.

02:04:21.840 You've got on the right is a white roof, which is the Sorenson Building on the right side of the picture.

02:04:26.640 This is also the gravel area on top of the Loci building.

02:04:29.360 Okay.

02:04:31.880 Can you see the courtyard from this?

02:04:33.900 Exhibit?

02:04:34.800 Yes, a little bit.

02:04:36.120 What about the tent that was set up that Mr. Kirk was underneath?

02:04:39.540 Yes.

02:04:40.240 Okay, what about the Hall of Flags?

02:04:42.100 Yes.

02:04:48.240 Did you mention that this was facing west?

02:04:50.200 What direction are we looking?

02:04:51.560 We're looking west towards Utah Lake.

02:04:53.980 Okay.

02:04:55.020 Officer, is this a fair and accurate depiction of what you observed on September 10, 2025, on top of the Losey Building?

02:05:03.700 Yes.

02:05:05.680 State offers State's Exhibit 3.2, Judge.

02:05:09.160 Ms. Naster.

02:05:11.620 Your Honor, I think that we renew our standing objection.

02:05:16.160 There is an evidence tag here which begs the question that it's not a fair and accurate representation of how he saw it.

02:05:24.800 And we also don't have any indication about when this picture was taken or by whom.

02:05:29.360 So we object to its admission.

02:05:31.380 I see.

02:05:31.960 Thank you.

02:05:32.360 Mr. Grunandr. Officer, one more

02:05:35.340 question, Judge. Officer Bagley,

02:05:37.380 apart from the evidence tag, do you see an evidence

02:05:39.420 tag on that photograph? Yes, I do.

02:05:41.400 Was that present when you were

02:05:43.340 on top of the Lossie Center and

02:05:44.940 observed this? That was not.

02:05:47.160 Okay, otherwise, is it fair and accurate?

02:05:49.220 Yes. State moves to admit.

02:05:52.040 Anything further?

02:05:53.100 No, Your Honor. All right, thank you.

02:05:55.520 Given that follow-up question

02:05:57.300 noting that the evidence tag

02:05:59.420 appears to be number two

02:06:00.840 on States Exhibit 3.2 was not present,

02:06:04.240 but otherwise it is a fair and accurate representation.

02:06:07.380 As stated by the witness to States Exhibit 3.2,

02:06:12.740 the court will admit it into evidence

02:06:16.480 and it may be published at the discretion of

02:06:20.980 or the request of counsel.

02:06:23.580 You're on the state would move to publish it.

02:06:25.780 All right.

02:06:30.840 Ukraine's capital.

02:06:34.540 Officer Bagley, will you describe what it is that we're looking at here?

02:06:40.060 Yes.

02:06:40.620 On the top of the photo, you've got the mountain range on the back.

02:06:44.620 It's going to be looking west.

02:06:45.960 You also have Utah Lake, which is towards the top of it.

02:06:49.240 As you come down towards the center on the top, you've got a pond,

02:06:53.300 which is the ponds over at Utah Valley University.

02:06:56.200 I've come down from that, from where the water meets that red-bricked part,

02:06:59.800 More towards the center is the Hall of Flags, and just below that where you can see the grass and the white tent is where Charlie Kirk was sitting looking west, and we're on top of the Losey building.

02:07:11.420 And is this depicting a particular corner of the Losey rooftop?

02:07:15.860 Yes, it is.

02:07:16.520 And this is the top rooftop?

02:07:18.100 Yes.

02:07:20.200 Is it the same level where we observed the atrium that's to the north?

02:07:24.420 The atrium's up just a little bit higher, so this is the top level of four.

02:07:29.100 Level 4. Okay. And what area of the rooftop are we looking at here?

02:07:34.560 As far as the gravel.

02:07:36.160 Southwest side of the Loci building.

02:07:38.440 Southwest side. Okay. Is there a line of sight down into the courtyard?

02:07:44.420 Yes, there is.

02:07:44.880 In that area? Okay. What else do you observe on this exhibit that's significant to you, officer?

02:07:52.220 There's some disturbance in the gravel right where, and around the area where the, in the area where the yellow marker is.

02:07:59.100 is there was some disturbance that caught my eye there.

02:08:01.980 Okay.

02:08:02.940 And does this photograph do it justice?

02:08:08.340 No.

02:08:09.300 And how so?

02:08:11.400 You can't really see the impression I saw the time of when I was up there on that day.

02:08:16.900 I saw a distinct impression in the gravel, and this does not show that.

02:08:21.820 Okay, so you could see more with the naked eye?

02:08:23.960 Yes.

02:08:24.820 Okay.

02:08:25.180 I'm going to refer the witness to states

02:08:29.300 guys just so you guys get an example of

02:08:31.400 what Tyler Robinson saw

02:08:33.400 on that day allegedly

02:08:34.200 this is what the vantage point looks like

02:08:37.100 so it's a

02:08:41.400 clear line of sight right to it

02:08:50.960 so

02:08:55.180 let's see the other photos

02:08:58.620 there you go so just to give you guys a perspective of what

02:09:10.620 the shooter allegedly saw on that day exhibit four on your monitor there

02:09:25.180 And let me know when you can see that.

02:09:28.760 Okay, I can see it.

02:09:31.100 And do you recognize that exhibit?

02:09:33.360 I do.

02:09:34.280 And what is that?

02:09:35.540 This is a nighttime view of that same photo.

02:09:38.760 That was just last, same view, looking west, and I can see the disturbance in the gravel.

02:09:45.680 And what tells you that this is the same photograph as the last one, as Exhibit 3.2?

02:09:52.780 You can see the hall of flags that's direct almost the top of the photo.

02:09:56.640 In the middle, you've got the hall of flags.

02:09:58.100 You can see the tent in the grass area, the direct line of sight with the Sorenson Building,

02:10:03.380 and I'm on top of the gravel of the Loci Building southwest side.

02:10:07.480 Is there also an LDS temple that's depicted in that photograph?

02:10:10.620 There is. It's going to be on the top left of the photo. It's lit up.

02:10:14.700 Okay. Do you know who took this photo?

02:10:19.840 I do.

02:10:20.660 And who took this photo?

02:10:22.120 Melissa Richards.

02:10:23.500 And who is Melissa Richards?

02:10:26.940 She's the lead senior forensic for the state of Utah.

02:10:32.820 Okay.

02:10:33.680 Examiner.

02:10:34.800 And how do you know that she took this photograph?

02:10:39.340 I spoke to her.

02:10:41.000 Okay.

02:10:41.840 All right, let me give you guys, I want to give you guys a visual so you guys know what they're talking about here.

02:10:46.080 Okay.

02:10:46.960 So this comes from A.I. Telly, a very good channel.

02:10:49.880 concealed position to avoid close detection and maximize the chances of escape

02:10:55.120 here is the bullet trajectory given this altitude and again you guys can see

02:11:01.160 this is it real time okay assassin had but i want you guys to envision what they're talking about

02:11:09.840 because it doesn't do it justice because we're sitting here watching them in the courtroom

02:11:12.280 they're yapping about this crap it's like you guys don't have a visual so let me go ahead and 0.88

02:11:15.780 give you guys the visual. Clear, unobstructed line of sight directly to the stage where Charlie Kirk 0.98

02:11:21.120 was standing and addressing the crowd. The bullet's trajectory descended steeply and accurately

02:11:26.080 through open space to strike Kirk in the neck, which strongly suggests the use of a scoped

02:11:31.640 firearm design for long-range precision. As soon as the shot was fired, the gunman likely retreated

02:11:38.000 to an entrance on the top of the building. Despite security efforts, the shooter disappeared without

02:11:42.560 trace, climbing down from the building and blending into nearby campus structures or

02:11:46.880 escape routes surrounding the Losey Center. Witnesses reported that panic broke out immediately

02:11:52.320 after the shot. The audience scattered, seeking shelter as shouts of get down and run echoed

02:11:58.780 across the courtyard. Campus police and Kirk's personal security team moved swiftly to secure

02:12:03.640 the area and evacuate Kirk. Here is the detailed timeline of how it happened. It's 12 o'clock

02:12:10.560 p.m. September 10, 2025. Event begins. Charlie Kirk began the event, with more than 3,000 people

02:12:19.640 gathered to attend. The security detail consisted of six officers along with Kirk's personal

02:12:24.900 security team. 12.20 p.m. Lead up to the shooting, Kirk was seated at the debate table, answering

02:12:31.300 questions from students. The discussion touched on sensitive topics such as mass shootings and

02:12:36.220 gun violence. Kirk remained calm and composed as he responded to a question about mass shooters,

02:12:41.840 still holding the microphone while seated. The atmosphere was lively but controlled,

02:12:46.460 many sitting close to the stage while others watched from nearby balconies and standing areas.

02:12:51.200 12.22 to 12.23 p.m. The assassination. Suddenly, a loud gunshot echoed through the courtyard.

02:12:58.220 Kirk was hit in the neck while speaking.

02:12:59.700 within minutes immediate response campus police already on the scene quickly secured the area

02:13:08.260 kirk's security team rushed him to a nearby hospital all right so you guys have a better

02:13:12.460 vision of it but yeah that's that was the that's the line of sight with which he was using a mauser

02:13:18.520 okay uh it's it's basically a hunting rifle um you know a shot like that what 200 uh 200 yards

02:13:25.900 something like that? Not even, not easy shot to hit with a rifle like that. Not a hard, not a hard

02:13:32.860 shot. Um, just renew the objection to hearsay. That's an outstanding objection. Thank you.

02:13:44.300 Okay. Do you want to respond to the objection about hearsay? Um, yes, judge. Uh, this is a

02:13:47.860 preliminary hearing. You fucking retard. Hearsay doesn't matter. You can, hearsay is absolutely 1.00

02:13:51.620 admissible in their prelim hearing are we serious this bitch is retarded under rule 1102 hearsay is 1.00

02:13:57.660 admissible to establish the foundation or for or the authenticity of any 1.00

02:14:01.160 yo this bitch is doing anything bruh what the fuck bruh hearsay is absolutely utilized 1.00

02:14:13.560 has absolutely allowed to establish probable cause in a preliminary hearing are you fucking 1.00

02:14:18.100 serious what the fuck hearsay is not allowed in trials 0.93

02:14:26.260 that's found in 1102 but it is allowed in preliminary hearings where we're just trying 0.98

02:14:33.840 to establish probable cause uh sub b sub three um bro listed out the actual statue

02:14:40.840 also point out for the court that under rule 1101 which is the applicability of the rules

02:14:51.300 in subsection c1 the determination of questions of fact preliminary to admissibility of evidence

02:14:58.000 when it's determined under rule 104 which are preliminary questions the court the rules of

02:15:02.180 evidence do not apply 104 speaks directly to provide lane foundation for an exhibit so even

02:15:06.380 at trial hearsay is admissible to establish the foundation of an exhibit i would also just okay

02:15:11.580 i didn't even know i didn't know that hearsay could actually know it can be because if they're 0.92

02:15:15.120 an expert or something that makes sense but yeah to use hearsay in a fucking preliminary hearing 0.90

02:15:19.280 is insane point to court in a trial you got a chance but in a prelim hearing come on man 0.65

02:15:26.000 um to state v griffin this is a 2016 utah supreme court case um the citation is 384 pacific third

02:15:34.340 186, which stands for hearsay evidence

02:15:36.600 is admissible to establish the foundation of an exhibit, even at

02:15:38.600 trial. And we're at a preliminary hearing stage, Judge.

02:15:40.900 Anything further, Ms. Nestor, before I issue

02:15:42.620 a ruling?

02:15:44.560 I'm going to

02:15:46.560 overrule the objection

02:15:48.520 to hearsay. I note that... Hey, I gotta give her

02:15:50.640 credit, though. She's trying, bro.

02:15:53.240 She knows she throws enough shit 0.99

02:15:54.520 at the wall, something's gonna stick, dude. 0.99

02:15:56.640 The standing objection by defense.

02:15:58.520 I also note that rule 1102, and I also look

02:16:00.560 to Article 1, Section 12 of the Utah

02:16:02.440 constitution which states nothing in this constitution shall preclude the use of reliable

02:16:05.960 hearsay evidence as defined by statute or rule in whole or in part at any preliminary examination

02:16:10.700 to determine probable cause or at any pretrial proceeding with respect to release of defendant

02:16:14.620 if appropriate discoveries allowed as defined by statute or rule for those reasons i'm going to

02:16:18.860 overrule the objection and yo nsb thank you so much for the gift of subs bro we're almost at a

02:16:23.980 goal uh to get back over 3 000 thank you fn speed for all you brokies in the chat say you're a

02:16:30.760 brokey and someone might gift you a sub. All right ninjas. As it relates to reliable hearsay

02:16:36.480 in this instance. Thank you. Uh, you may proceed. Officer Bagley, did you ask Ms. Richards if this

02:16:43.300 was a fair and accurate depiction of this scene on the low sea building on the night of September

02:16:47.480 10th, 2025? Yes. And what did she tell you? She said it was. Okay. You're on the state offers

02:16:51.740 a state's exhibit for disaster. Just object to relying on what Ms. Richards told him in terms

02:16:57.160 of creating a foundation and refer back to our standing objection.

02:16:59.980 Yo, TPC, thank you, brother.

02:17:02.400 Appreciate you greatly, man.

02:17:04.900 Thank you, TPC.

02:17:06.640 For those of you guys that are wondering, TPC is my guy.

02:17:08.820 He's the one that did all this. 0.98

02:17:11.380 You know, you look at my fucking setup over here. 0.99

02:17:13.240 He pretty much hooked it all up, man. 1.00

02:17:16.160 You know, like all the shit that I got going here. 0.98

02:17:19.440 You guys look at all these camera angles, how crispy it is. 0.98

02:17:21.260 You guys like that cinematic look right there?

02:17:23.440 TPC set that up for me, right?

02:17:25.660 so shout out to him for helping uh really you know make the quality good you know i mean we

02:17:34.980 go hard to paint guys try to give you guys the best production quality that we can so shout out

02:17:38.220 to tpc the state will submit it right well as i look at state's exhibit four and again i'm just

02:17:45.620 looking at it before me i it said it was a fair and accurate representation um there's there's a

02:17:50.560 notation i mean the previous exhibits there's a marker exhibit marker and i see two but it also

02:17:54.220 appears to be other artifacts on this image that I haven't heard any testimony

02:17:58.180 about and so I will follow up judge all right

02:18:00.520 officer Bagley do you see an evidence tag in that exhibit yes I do a number

02:18:04.240 two a number two and that's yellow and black yes do you see other evidence

02:18:07.360 markers that are red in color yes they are to me they're orange but they're

02:18:10.400 triangular shaped okay were those markers the evidence tag too as well as

02:18:15.040 the orange or red markers present when you observe that scene that day no okay

02:18:19.340 were they present however when Miss Richards took this photograph yes and

02:18:23.900 She indicated to you that that is a fair and accurate representation of what she observed that night?

02:18:27.400 Yes.

02:18:28.000 State would move to admit, as I said before, Judge. 0.90

02:18:29.520 Ms. Nestor?

02:18:31.280 Objections, Your Honor?

02:18:31.980 Thank you, Ms. Nestor.

02:18:33.120 I'm going to go ahead and overrule the objection, noting that the marker, evidence marker,

02:18:36.260 as well as the red or orange markers, I can't tell which color it is, was not present originally.

02:18:42.080 And with those included information, State's exhibit for is admitted into evidence and may be published.

02:18:47.820 Thank you.

02:18:48.300 State would move to publish that.

02:18:49.360 All right.

02:18:49.680 and i would ask for the witness to come down to explain the exhibit all right officer if you'd

02:18:57.160 like to step down use the microphone and as previously noted uh describe when you're

02:19:02.080 describing something on the image where it is located on the image for the benefit of our

02:19:05.260 recording so officer will you describe for the court what it is that you're looking at

02:19:10.000 that's what i'm looking at is i'm on top of the lousy building which is where the gravel is on

02:19:14.660 towards the bottom center i'm looking west uh towards the tent which is in the upper center

02:19:18.420 that you got a white tent you can see the grass down there in the amphitheater you got the hall

02:19:22.360 of flags that's more towards the top center and behind that you've got I-15 but what I'm looking

02:19:26.460 at is in the disturbance of the gravels where I saw that day okay and what can you describe for

02:19:29.640 the record that disturbance to me when I when I got up there and I could see this disturbance of

02:19:34.100 gravel to me it looks like a sniper pad a person that has been laid in a prone position and you've

02:19:39.300 got markings of elbows knees and feet where somebody was in the line of sight of where

02:19:42.120 Charlie's tent was.

02:19:44.080 Thank you.

02:19:45.000 And if we could, again, take the, if we could publish

02:19:48.420 the state's exhibit number two.

02:19:53.360 You recognize that, right, officer?

02:19:55.000 Yes, I do.

02:19:55.360 Where on the low sea rooftop did you

02:19:56.660 observe this disturbance in the gravel?

02:19:58.480 You go to the center of the picture.

02:19:59.440 If you go to the center of the picture,

02:20:00.360 in the darker gray part of it, on the left side,

02:20:03.420 so the south side of the low sea building,

02:20:04.860 it would be right in the line of sight

02:20:06.200 of the Charlie Kirk tent that's straight in front of it.

02:20:08.120 OK.

02:20:08.620 Or the southwest side of the roof.

02:20:09.820 Thank you.

02:20:10.320 You can take your seat.

02:20:12.120 and finally I would direct the witnesses attention to state's exhibit number five on the monitor

02:20:23.040 let me know when that's there it is do you recognize that exhibit I do and what is that

02:20:35.580 this is gonna be a picture of the side profile of that last photo we looked at with some red

02:20:40.860 orange markers and a number two with also a tape that's there on top of the

02:20:44.760 Loci building. What was that tape that you said? There's a measuring tape it looks like.

02:20:47.240 Okay are you able to tell which direction the photograph is the photographer

02:20:50.640 was facing? Yes. And what direction is that? It's facing south. This is a

02:20:54.900 nighttime photograph correct? Yes. Do you know who took this picture? I do. And who

02:21:00.060 took the picture? It was most research. The same individual that you spoke about

02:21:02.640 before? Yes. Did you ask her whether this is a fair and accurate depiction of what

02:21:05.820 she observed that night? Yes. What did she say? She said it was. With respect to what

02:21:09.660 you observed that day apart from the evidence tag the yellow tag as well as

02:21:14.940 the orange or red markers is this a fair and accurate depiction of what you

02:21:17.880 observed yes what's different about what you observed as far as what's on the

02:21:21.480 photograph the previous exhibit compared to this you can see more of the length

02:21:26.880 of an individual so you can see that more there's two elbows to knee areas

02:21:30.600 plus also towards the far right of the photo is also a marker where like

02:21:34.800 somebody laid a gun down like a prone position yeah guys so he what he did was he brought like

02:21:40.920 a little mat for himself so he could lie on the gravel and take the shot that's what that's what

02:21:45.540 was that's why the the gun had the drape over it it was like that towel that he was using

02:21:50.020 you're on a pursuant to rule 1102 as well as other authority that's been cited today state

02:21:56.360 offers states exhibit five into evidence your honor we renew all the same objections we made

02:22:00.200 to Exhibit 4. Thank you. Given the foundation

02:22:04.200 that has been laid and that the witness has testified that this is a fair and accurate representation

02:22:08.100 of the scene, noting the tape as well as the markers

02:22:11.820 in that, State's Exhibit 5 is admitted into

02:22:16.140 evidence and may be published. State moves

02:22:20.320 to publish Exhibit 5, Judge. All right.

02:22:30.200 Before turning to what you did next on that day, taking you back to the daytime of September

02:22:39.940 10th, 2025, did you secure the rooftop of the Losey Building that day?

02:22:45.200 Yes, I did.

02:22:45.940 And how did you do that?

02:22:47.060 I put yellow police crime scene tape around the portion so nobody else would disturb that

02:22:51.500 area.

02:22:52.040 And when you say that area, what areas are you talking about?

02:22:54.440 I'm talking about the roof where it was the southwest side of the roof where I found the

02:22:57.280 disturbed gravel, where it looked like somebody had been prone out in the line of sight.

02:23:00.200 of the tent um somewhere there did you secure the area um as far as any of the entrance area

02:23:07.080 up onto the rooftop with police tape yeah so then where that natural guardrail is that was

02:23:11.160 the other barrier where they were advised not going any further from there other than police

02:23:14.520 officers okay um if we could go back to state's exhibit number two

02:23:23.400 if we were to zoom in on this uh photograph are you able to see the police tape that you put up

02:23:27.160 on the rooftop of the Lossie Center, officer? Yes, you would be able to. Kimberly, if we can zoom in.

02:23:41.480 Officer, I'm going to have you come down and describe for the court

02:23:45.320 where you put that police tape up to secure that scene, the rooftop area.

02:23:51.000 On the southwest corner of the rooftop. 0.99

02:23:57.160 So this is the top of the low C building, you've got your two different grays.

02:24:02.620 The southwest is towards the top, center of the picture.

02:24:06.420 You can see some yellow tape that spans from over here on the far right side of the picture

02:24:10.500 by these black pipes, goes around a silver vent, comes back down around to the corner

02:24:16.100 of that silver to keep everybody out of that area where that prone position was at.

02:24:19.020 Okay.

02:24:19.800 On that photograph, are you able to see where you put the tape up as far as the access way

02:24:23.520 to that roof near the stairway?

02:24:25.640 So it was right here, actually, this natural barrier where you have to climb over the guardrail.

02:24:29.380 So this is the other barrier that I have to set up.

02:24:31.300 And you put police tape on that?

02:24:32.360 Yeah.

02:24:32.760 Okay.

02:24:34.300 Did you eventually leave that area?

02:24:36.100 I did.

02:24:37.240 Do you recall about what time you left that area?

02:24:40.380 Oh, I have it in my notes.

02:24:42.320 It would be when I left that area.

02:24:44.880 It was almost 1 o'clock, about 1.03, 1.01.

02:24:47.020 Okay.

02:24:47.780 Before leaving, did you leave the scene with anyone?

02:24:50.600 I did not leave the scene.

02:24:51.760 Oh, did I leave the scene to somebody?

02:24:52.740 Yes.

02:24:52.840 Just to someone else?

02:24:53.580 Yes.

02:24:53.820 And who was that? 1.00

02:24:54.600 It was a county deputy a female. Did you provide instructions to her? I did and what were those instructions?

02:24:59.280 I advised her not to let anybody inside the crime scene. Okay without being a police officer or an investigator. Okay

02:25:05.460 Thank you. You can take your seat again

02:25:16.640 Officer upon seeing this disturbance in the gravel you've described what it looked like to you someone lying down in a prone position, correct? Yes. What did you do next?

02:25:24.600 So when I got to the top of the Losley building during that day, I noticed the screwdriver, kept going to the edge, found that prone position.

02:25:32.980 At that moment, I realized, because it was a direct line of sight, plus the disturbance in the gravel,

02:25:37.420 where I could see somebody laid down in a prone position or a sniper position and asked dispatch to get on the vid.

02:25:42.760 Then I realized that we probably didn't have our shooter in custody from that moment.

02:25:46.800 I asked dispatch to get on the camera system and to see if anybody was on top of the Losley building during the time of the incident.

02:25:52.900 Ah, okay, that's interesting.

02:25:54.220 So he was the one to call in and say, hey, we might have had a shooter from the roof.

02:25:58.940 Because if you guys remember, when the shooting first happened, they arrested some old white dude.

02:26:02.240 Were you advised of anything?

02:26:03.440 I was. Dispatch came back and advised me that there was a male individual on top of the roof that was there at the time of the shooting.

02:26:09.740 Ah. And that was the footage that I showed you guys earlier.

02:26:13.700 We also have new video of what police are looking at right now this hour.

02:26:20.340 TMZ has obtained new video of the before and after images of the...

02:26:26.700 Was it two S's? 0.78

02:26:30.860 Let me just put...

02:26:36.340 It was...

02:26:50.340 describe what his movements were they did they stated that he ran to the edge

02:27:05.800 dropped down crawled here it is right here for you guys

02:27:08.680 boom here he is running across

02:27:12.840 you can see him moving

02:27:16.420 here he arrives on the side

02:27:20.340 here he is right here zoom in

02:27:27.060 jumps down boom

02:27:36.720 gathers himself and runs off

02:27:40.480 got in a prone position um i'm gonna stop you right there you ran to the edge

02:27:47.020 what direction and what edge? Running west and southwest of the Loci building

02:27:51.520 so then towards the tent where Charlie Kirk was so they could get a line of

02:27:55.180 sight and then the individual stood up after the shooting and ran northeast on

02:28:01.360 top of the Loci building. Okay you mentioned that this individual on the

02:28:07.900 video dropped off off the edge did you did you get what happened what what else

02:28:12.460 was described to you? Then well at that moment so I knew that there was

02:28:16.600 possibly shoot her on the run.

02:28:18.640 Can we just have a continuing objection to all of the

02:28:20.700 hearsay that's being testified to here?

02:28:31.180 Oh, man.

02:28:33.340 Yo, that boy Tyler Robinson

02:28:34.480 just better get ready for the firing squad, bro.

02:28:39.040 Alright?

02:28:41.140 Just so you guys know, Utah

02:28:42.440 brought back the firing squad.

02:28:44.740 utah has in fact brought back the firing squad that's insane dude and judging my response to

02:28:54.120 that was i'm not actually offering this for the truth of the matter asserted at this point

02:28:57.020 um simply for the effect on the hearer so i'm not offering what's been described in the video

02:29:01.520 as substantive evidence all right with that clarification any thoughts

02:29:05.420 i'll just stand on the objection i don't i don't think i mean he's clearly offering it for the

02:29:12.660 truth because he's asking him to describe the route of the individual and it's based on what

02:29:16.440 other people told him so if he wants to circle back to it after he's put the video in i mean we

02:29:21.080 could do that but right now i still think it's inappropriate here say your honor all right

02:29:24.220 anything further mr i'll submit it to the court all right so as the magistrate as this is not to

02:29:28.840 a jury it's to myself as a magistrate i am not accepting that statement for the truth of the 0.97

02:29:32.400 matter asserted simply for uh sorry guys fucking the uh monitor turned off and that fucks everything 0.98

02:29:40.680 up sorry chat let me fix this shit sorry ninjas i'll fix this here in a second but yeah anyway 0.98

02:29:51.120 yeah that's hilarious because um literally um you know she's objecting to like hearsay in a 0.90

02:29:58.700 you know preliminary hearing which like i told y'all like guys remember it's the defense's job

02:30:04.160 to attack everything all they have to do is create doubt that's their job is to create doubt

02:30:10.680 You know what I'm saying? That's her job. So, you know, respect for her doing her job. 0.96

02:30:17.000 You know, she's probably getting all kinds of hate and death threats for even defending this fucking scumbag. 1.00

02:30:22.400 But but, yeah, let's get back to it. 0.99

02:30:26.900 What has been stated, so I'm specifically making that finding as I'm receiving this evidence and I'm not accepting it for the truth of matter asserted only as represented by Mr.

02:30:37.660 Grunander, and with that, the objection is overruled. Mr. Grunander, you may

02:30:41.800 proceed. Thank you, Judge. So you mentioned you were provided with information that

02:30:46.840 an individual was running north on the Losi rooftop, correct? Yes. What else was

02:30:50.840 described to you? At that moment, I actually knew I had responding units

02:30:55.220 coming into the scene. I advised other officers that I needed the Losi

02:30:59.540 building secured search because I didn't know exactly what way other than he

02:31:03.620 ran north. At that moment, I went down to the police department, which is just down

02:31:07.520 the stairwell and looked at the video myself and where is the police department located it's in the

02:31:12.160 gunther trade building just directly to the south of the low sea building okay so where i describe

02:31:16.800 those outside stairs the building to the left of that or south would be the gunther trade building

02:31:21.440 okay what's on what level is the police department it's level three level three okay upon arriving

02:31:26.400 at the police department what did you do next then i then look at the footage to verify for

02:31:30.000 myself exactly what expired on that moment where i could see an individual run to the edge get up

02:31:35.040 and then run off and then drop off the northeast side of the building of the

02:31:38.940 Loci building. Okay having viewed that what did you do next? At that moment I

02:31:45.960 realized I had more more crimes a bigger crime scene that I needed to contain and

02:31:49.440 preserve for evidence. At that moment I went and grabbed some more crime scene

02:31:53.280 tape and I responded to the northeast side of the building and secured an area

02:31:57.280 where I saw impressions of the shoe print inside the grass and also up above

02:32:02.800 on that northeast side of the building. I could see on the cement where someone had scuffed there and then dropped down to the shoe imprint and then finished going northeast.

02:32:09.800 Okay. I can take the witness back to States Exhibit 2.

02:32:19.800 You mentioned seeing an individual drop down. Could you come down and point that area out to the court?

02:32:24.800 Yes.

02:32:32.800 this is the low sea building again on the top right center of the photo southwest side is where

02:32:43.040 the individual was laying down prone in the line of sight came behind the aquarium or atrium atrium

02:32:49.380 came behind that on the west side of it came up to the north side of the low sea building on the

02:32:53.840 east on this white square piece on the far right of the picture and then he dropped off on the east

02:32:58.600 side of the low sea building into the grass down here below so the northeast corner yes

02:33:02.760 You mentioned you observed something on the grass?

02:33:04.760 I did. I saw a shoe imprint that was embedded pretty deep right there next to where he dropped off.

02:33:08.760 And this is all footage that you personally observed on the surveillance video?

02:33:11.760 Yes.

02:33:12.760 When you got to the scene, describe in as best detail as you can what you saw on the grass then.

02:33:17.760 So when I got to the scene, I could see that there was a shoe imprint there.

02:33:20.760 When I looked up onto the cement from the roof, I could see some scratching or rub marks from the top of the roof that was not there.

02:33:27.760 So I could see that looked abnormal.

02:33:29.760 I then decided to put crime scene tape around the whole area in case there was more evidence

02:33:35.060 that needed to be preserved.

02:33:36.600 On that exhibit number two, do you see where you placed the crime scene tape?

02:33:40.000 Yes, I do.

02:33:40.600 And where is that?

02:33:41.140 Can you describe that to the court?

02:33:42.280 It's going to be on the far right in the center of the picture.

02:33:44.940 You can see the yellow tape.

02:33:46.120 I came around trees, came up further out of pictures, some more trees.

02:33:48.820 I came down all the way down to the back side of the LDS Institute building

02:33:52.420 where there's a sidewalk to block everybody out of coming up that way.

02:33:55.100 Did you at one point leave the scene?

02:33:56.680 I did.

02:33:57.440 Did you release the scene to anyone?

02:33:59.020 Yes, I did.

02:33:59.560 And who was that?

02:34:00.340 There was two patient police officers that were standing there.

02:34:02.800 Were they in uniform?

02:34:03.680 They were.

02:34:04.540 Did you provide them with any instructions?

02:34:06.500 I advised them not to let anybody inside the crime scene other than law enforcement or investigators.

02:34:09.860 Okay.

02:34:12.200 You can take your seat again.

02:34:13.380 You know, obviously, guys, this is to protect evidence, right? 0.99

02:34:16.780 I remember when I would show up to a crime scene, if shit was disturbed or fucked up, I would get pissed off. 0.96

02:34:23.740 I would get pissed off if things weren't, like, you know, exactly preserved as much. 0.98

02:34:28.620 because it makes your job harder as the investigator, you know?

02:34:32.820 So obviously the uniform guys,

02:34:36.240 their job is to preserve as much as they possibly can.

02:34:42.700 Officer Bagley.

02:34:46.020 Tape it up and let the lead investigator take over.

02:34:56.540 You've talked about the disturbance in the gravel.

02:34:58.620 That was observed on the low sea building. Yes. Did you walk through those that that grab that disturbance in the gravel?

02:35:04.340 I did not. Did you otherwise touch it in any way? No

02:35:07.640 with respect to the shoe print that you observed on the grass on the

02:35:11.940 Northeast

02:35:13.000 Lawn area below the low sea building. Did you walk through that? I did not. Did you otherwise disturb that? No

02:35:26.060 Officer Bagley, what did you do next?

02:35:28.620 From that moment, I did release the scene.

02:35:31.460 I went down to the Fugle building and knew that where the incident command center was at,

02:35:35.880 so I could relay information that I had found to responding units and people in charge.

02:35:41.640 If I can have just a moment, Judge.

02:35:43.080 You, man.

02:35:44.240 Okay, I think it's going to be defense on cross now.

02:35:49.940 All right, now it's the cross-examination.

02:35:53.960 This is where Tyler Robbins' lawyer is going to start grilling this guy.

02:35:56.920 i'm gonna get my prediction i don't um i don't think there's much that she can grill him for

02:36:02.560 because everything here is kind of matter of fact hey give us the layout this is the layout

02:36:07.600 what did you see i saw this okay what did you do i cornered it off for investigators

02:36:12.640 okay what else did you see this like what what happened with um the video camera footage

02:36:18.160 i asked someone i saw him drop off obviously the footage has been shown right so um this guy is

02:36:23.920 very like uh matter of fact like he established a lot of like the logistical and um campus scenery

02:36:31.020 for for uh for the audience so like i don't know what she's really going to beat him up on but let's

02:36:36.120 see maybe ask elson is the clause that she knows about let's see were you aware of whether mr kirk

02:36:43.100 had his own security team present there with him yes did you communicate with any of those people

02:36:50.440 I saw one individual that was on top of the hall of flags right next to me, yes.

02:36:54.120 Okay, and that was before the shooting?

02:36:55.960 Yes, and then I saw several down in the crowds and down by him, yes.

02:36:59.340 And were you aware of whether that person was armed either?

02:37:02.520 I was aware he was armed.

02:37:03.720 Okay.

02:37:06.020 Was there any other law enforcement agency besides Mr. Kirk's private security team

02:37:12.760 and your six officers, including you, that were covering that event that day?

02:37:17.920 In other words, did you have any Provo police or Orem police or anyone that you knew of or federal agencies?

02:37:23.580 I don't know.

02:37:25.240 You never saw any that day?

02:37:26.760 No, not until the response came in.

02:37:29.320 And you did mention, I think I heard you just a few minutes ago testify,

02:37:33.000 you turned over the scene on the roof to a woman who was a deputy sheriff, right?

02:37:37.160 Yes.

02:37:37.580 And that you turned over the scene where the individual dropped off to, I believe you said, was it Orem police?

02:37:45.340 Payson.

02:37:45.700 Payson police, thank you.

02:37:46.780 Those people weren't there until after the shooting, right?

02:37:49.720 They were part of just a response of everybody in the area?

02:37:52.560 Correct.

02:37:53.180 Okay.

02:37:58.080 Did you receive any type of briefing materials, written materials, prior to the event that talked about who would be covering what or anything like that?

02:38:08.100 No, not that morning.

02:38:09.020 Like I said, it started getting hectic, so we were trying to get down there to secure the area and push people away from the top of the tent.

02:38:13.620 now when this event was over um you prepared a report is that right i did and in the report it

02:38:24.340 covers a lot of what you testified to with mr grenander doesn't it yes and i think you said

02:38:29.480 you attended what 600 hours of post training it's around 600 hours yes and i'm sure somewhere in

02:38:35.220 that training you were taught the importance of your police report yes and how it will be relied

02:38:41.140 on years later to recreate events like it's being done right now.

02:38:45.700 And so you know it's really important to be as accurate as possible in your

02:38:49.020 report. Can we put up Bagley

02:38:53.100 1? Alright, let's see

02:38:57.060 what she's going to do here. Let's head over to the defense table, please. Thank you so much. 1.00

02:39:04.400 And

02:39:04.840 show it only to the witness.

02:39:11.140 all right do you see that report in front of you i do and is that the report that you prepared

02:39:24.640 or did you prepare this report i didn't i did a supplement on it i didn't prepare the report so

02:39:31.520 like because the incident was a big agency assist so obviously it says

02:39:37.000 It has all the responding officers to that effect.

02:39:40.660 Oh, we need to go to the page.

02:39:42.260 Thank you for pointing that out.

02:39:43.480 Can we please move to page three or five, maybe?

02:40:03.080 Man, there is a firestorm on Twitter right now.

02:40:07.000 between Candace Owens and Andrew Colbert, man.

02:40:09.760 Holy.

02:40:11.600 They've been going back and forth for days.

02:40:14.860 But there's a firestorm going on right now with this hearing.

02:40:21.040 All right.

02:40:21.800 Now, let me ask the question again.

02:40:23.980 Sorry, we just had the cover sheet up.

02:40:26.420 Is that your report?

02:40:27.920 Yes, this is.

02:40:28.820 All right.

02:40:29.020 And did you prepare that?

02:40:30.600 I did.

02:40:31.640 When did you prepare this report?

02:40:34.420 It looks like it was done the next day, either that day or the next day,

02:40:41.540 because I wanted to make sure that I had it done,

02:40:43.340 where everything was fresh on my mind.

02:40:44.840 And do you have a copy of it in front of you?

02:40:46.340 I do, as a matter of fact.

02:40:47.300 May I just step in and just make sure that it's the same one?

02:40:49.640 May I approach, Your Honor?

02:40:50.480 You may.

02:40:55.060 I hope you're good.

02:41:03.420 We've got to ask this now.

02:41:09.940 Did you use AI to help you prepare your report?

02:41:12.540 I did not.

02:41:13.200 Okay, good.

02:41:16.440 When you prepared your report, you referenced when you first heard the shot, don't you?

02:41:21.520 Yes.

02:41:22.400 And what is the time that you say that you heard the shot?

02:41:25.480 12.23.

02:41:26.200 Right. And when you wrote that report, you did not state in your report the direction you heard that shot come from, did you?

02:41:36.080 No, apparently not.

02:41:38.020 And take your time and look at the whole report and see if there's anywhere in there where you ever mentioned that it came from the east or to your right.

02:41:49.740 OK, interesting. Let's see what happens here and I'll get my commentary after.

02:41:56.200 I don't see a direction.

02:42:06.620 Okay.

02:42:07.240 And you also, I believe, in your report, you also don't state whether or not,

02:42:16.880 you don't mention anything about thinking it came from the low C building or anything like that, right?

02:42:21.420 Later on when I recognize where the, when I see all the empty holsters, when I, I think I actually said that in there,

02:42:27.260 where I see the empty holster that I realized the line of sight.

02:42:30.300 Okay.

02:42:30.920 So let's talk about that holster for a minute.

02:42:33.880 So you heard the shot and you only heard one shot, correct?

02:42:38.980 Yes.

02:42:39.880 And then you came down from the walkway above the tent, right?

02:42:46.220 Yes.

02:42:46.480 And you came down to really the grassy area that we've all been looking at, the courtyard.

02:42:51.660 Yes.

02:42:52.400 And there was kind of chaos, people running around.

02:42:55.200 Yep.

02:42:55.580 Yes.

02:42:56.740 And while you were down there, you saw what you said was an empty holster.

02:43:03.020 Yeah, as I was clearing people out and making sure that the evidence was preserved,

02:43:07.200 about towards the top, after a little bit, I saw an empty holster sitting there.

02:43:11.260 And when you say towards the top, can you be specific and tell us where you were?

02:43:15.580 So on the south side in the courtyard, there's some tiers of seating where the grass is different levels.

02:43:23.200 And it was towards the top, maybe just right before the cement is where everybody's standing.

02:43:27.180 So there's different levels towards the top on the grass.

02:43:30.220 And when you saw the holster, can you describe to me what it looked like?

02:43:34.820 An empty concealed holster.

02:43:37.040 For what type of weapon?

02:43:38.360 For a pistol.

02:43:39.140 Okay.

02:43:40.100 And did it have any markings on it?

02:43:42.240 I didn't even, no, not that I noticed.

02:43:44.920 And what happened to that holster?

02:43:46.800 I have no idea.

02:43:48.040 Did you ever take custody of it?

02:43:50.020 No.

02:43:50.740 Did you ever tell anyone else to take custody of it?

02:43:54.060 No.

02:43:54.860 You just left it on the grass?

02:43:56.260 I did.

02:44:00.460 Was it ever fingerprinted to your knowledge?

02:44:02.920 I have no idea.

02:44:04.200 Okay.

02:44:04.460 at some point um there were drones in the air is that right did you become aware of that yes i was

02:44:18.980 made aware of that right do you know who put the drones in the air i'm going to assume state police

02:44:24.180 uh sergeant cam nelson with the pro police department right so it wasn't uvu no did you

02:44:30.240 Hell no, UVO doesn't have that, man.

02:44:32.280 You don't even have drone capability?

02:44:34.460 Did you have a drone on campus that you used?

02:44:36.880 No.

02:44:37.720 Yeah, it's a small campus PD.

02:44:39.700 They're not going to have that.

02:44:44.420 So someone would have had to bring one after the shooting onto campus

02:44:47.660 because you wouldn't have had one there.

02:44:49.140 True.

02:44:57.080 All right.

02:44:57.640 you mentioned that as you were coming down into the grassy area from the top above the tent you

02:45:06.480 come down the hall of flags you come into the grassy area you mentioned that you heard i guess

02:45:11.500 on your radio that they had a suspect in custody yes and so how long do you think between the

02:45:19.400 shot being fired did you hear that i was in like i said trying to get yes this woman is the defense

02:45:24.960 you guys she's on cross-examination get down the stairs jump over people try not to step on people

02:45:30.200 as people were fighting up within 30 seconds maybe all right so they pretty much instantly

02:45:36.040 had someone in custody yes and that's why i was quite quite surprised were you aware of where the

02:45:42.540 person was taken into custody uh right down the by where charlie kirk was sitting by his tent

02:45:47.200 somewhere down there hey thomas this is reese's brother all right so in the courtyard area the

02:45:53.940 The person would have been in the courtyard area at the time of the shooting.

02:45:57.220 Yes.

02:45:57.840 Was that person in or near or around the holster in any way?

02:46:02.080 No.

02:46:02.780 You don't know?

02:46:03.560 No, he wasn't.

02:46:04.540 Where the holster was was up on the top level up there,

02:46:07.260 and it was when the incident happened, when Charlie got shot,

02:46:11.860 within seconds the other officer that was down by him said that he was in custody with a prisoner of the shooter.

02:46:17.600 So that happened right there.

02:46:19.800 But you didn't, at that time, it was your understanding, the person they took into custody was close by Mr. Kirk.

02:46:31.040 Is that right?

02:46:31.760 Yep.

02:46:32.180 But it didn't occur to you that, well, that's not where I heard the shock come from.

02:46:36.280 They must have the wrong person.

02:46:37.480 I should talk to somebody.

02:46:38.820 During the chaos moment, no.

02:46:40.540 They said they had a person in custody.

02:46:42.280 I figured those guys saw something I didn't see.

02:46:44.240 They took the person in custody, and I thought that was him.

02:46:46.320 Okay.

02:46:46.600 i actually i'm this would be a good stopping place because i'm about to start another

02:46:54.120 section okay so maybe we could go five minutes early for lunch absolutely all right

02:46:59.620 thank you thank you officer we're going to go ahead and break for lunch we'll come back at

02:47:06.000 one o'clock i do want to note for the camera operator if you would just be cognizant and

02:47:13.000 turn off the microphone during breaks and when we break for recess uh that would be helpful

02:47:18.960 i do does either party need the benefit of the record before we break for lunch

02:47:23.900 all right we are in recess all right so they'll be back in about one hour

02:47:30.540 while we wait let's go ahead and cover some news got you on injus um ukraine got hit really hard

02:47:40.620 yesterday okay really hard so let me um let's cover that real quick while we wait came under

02:47:51.240 another deadly russian attack massive explosions lit up the sky overnight as ballistic yeah kiev

02:47:56.780 got hit really hard uh zelensky was talking about it uh let's see here

02:48:01.580 here's the damage

02:48:18.320 yeah i guess boom boom kiev

02:48:31.580 yeah lots of destruction

02:48:41.340 missiles and drones

02:48:42.940 hammered parts of Kyiv

02:48:44.320 killing at least 12 people

02:48:45.620 in the city itself

02:48:46.740 I think the final

02:48:47.700 I think it was 16 total

02:48:49.060 gone

02:48:50.220 64 people rescued

02:48:57.300 I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT TO

02:49:00.300 TAKE.

02:49:01.300 I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT TO

02:49:04.300 TAKE.

02:49:05.300 11 PEOPLE.

02:49:06.300 IS THAT WHAT HE SAID?

02:49:08.300 HE TWEETED THIS 10 HOURS AGO.

02:49:11.300 MISSILES AND DRONES HAMMERED 0.97

02:49:14.300 PARTS OF KYIV KILLING AT LEAST 0.53

02:49:17.300 12 PEOPLE IN THE CITY ITSELF. 0.98

02:49:20.300 LET'S GET MORE FROM CLARE

02:49:22.300 SEBASTIAN JOINING ME. 0.52

02:49:23.300 WHAT ARE WE HEARING ABOUT

02:49:26.300 Yeah, Paolo, Zelensky had warned that another big attack was incoming on Sunday night.

02:49:31.840 And here we have it, the second attack on a very large scale, targeting mainly the capital Kiev.

02:49:37.100 In about four days, last week on Thursday, we saw the deadliest attack on the capital so far this year.

02:49:42.080 At least 30 people were killed in a massive drone and missile barrage.

02:49:46.220 This one seems to have been—

02:49:48.320 Guys, get your superchats in. I'll read superchats after this Ukraine part.

02:49:51.440 It's slightly smaller in scale. Obviously, they're all terrifying for the Ukrainian people having to live through this. But we're hearing of 68 missiles, 351 drones. The key thing to know there, though, is that while the Ukrainians were able to shoot down 37 missiles, they did not manage to avert any of the ballistic missiles that were fired.

02:50:11.600 And Zelenskyy saying openly that was because of an insufficient supply of interceptor missiles.

02:50:16.740 So that is going to be a key question going into the NATO summit this week,

02:50:20.000 is will allies be able to step up and provide more of those supplies to Ukraine?

02:50:24.500 And another thing to note, though, is that this isn't just now on the Russian side

02:50:28.400 that we're seeing these overnight attacks.

02:50:29.780 We're seeing an escalating tip for tack on both sides.

02:50:32.920 The Russian Ministry of Defense saying that they shot down or averted some 519 Ukrainian drones

02:50:38.960 over multiple different regions.

02:50:40.240 One of the key targets appears to have been the Leningrad region, home to Russia's second city of St. Petersburg, where the governor is reporting damage to infrastructure around several key oil ports, more rolling power outages also seen in Crimea and Russian-occupied Crimea. 0.76

02:50:56.460 So, again, tip for tat escalation on both sides. We're seeing a more aggressive posture, I think, from Russia in many ways. 0.73

02:51:02.620 and over the weekend Putin and Trump spoke on the phone on July 4th and a clear attempt I think

02:51:08.300 from Putin to wrestle the narrative back. You've seen more sympathy from Trump towards the Ukrainian

02:51:13.080 side recently so we're seeing more of those attempts from Russia and Putin trying to claim 0.99

02:51:17.500 again that this is a these are terrorist attacks from Ukraine and that Russia is confidently in

02:51:22.640 the words of the foreign ministry in Russia advancing on the front line. So the questions

02:51:26.900 going into the NATO summit is I think number one air defenses for Ukraine and secondly will this

02:51:31.620 be the moment given the successes that we're seeing from yeah the problem with this war guys

02:51:36.680 is that both sides have like maximalist demands so this war is not going to end anytime soon

02:51:42.220 unfortunately guys it's kind of a black pill but like it's just not going to end anytime soon

02:51:47.800 um like russia wants to be able to wants ukraine to recognize the territory that they've taken

02:51:55.080 ukraine refuses to do that and they also don't want them to join nato ukraine refuses to do that

02:52:00.720 So it's like, you know, it's a very, both parties are making maximalist demands, and they refuse to concede.

02:52:11.960 From Ukraine, will it be the moment that the U.S. decides to further tighten the screws on Russia?

02:52:16.700 President Trump is set to head to Ankara Monday night.

02:52:19.680 He spoke to both the Russian and Ukrainian presidents over the weekend.

02:52:23.480 How might this reverberate through the summit?

02:52:26.200 I think because President Zelenskyy will be here in person and he's a powerful and emotionally

02:52:37.060 connected figure, you know, with these NATO leaders, he will be pressing the point that

02:52:43.080 NATO needs urgent air defense.

02:52:45.300 Yeah, we do it all over here, Chad.

02:52:46.660 We do it all, baby.

02:52:48.840 News, politics, wars, trials, true crime.

02:52:54.480 We do it all, baby.

02:52:56.200 we do it all i mean just look at what happened overnight

02:53:00.040 last night 66 ballistic missiles 29 of them

02:53:03.640 got through ukraine used to be able to do better than that partly

02:53:07.160 russia has got more sophisticated faster jet propelled

02:53:11.080 ballistic missiles uh that that can penetrate

02:53:14.680 uh where they couldn't penetrate before 350 drones

02:53:18.200 uh 18 of them landed as you say 12 people killed in key five in the

02:53:22.440 in the key region as well so it is a pressing need a president selensky really wants to be able to

02:53:28.520 produce and get license for making patriot missiles defensive missiles inside of ukraine

02:53:34.520 it's not clear that it's going to get that but there is a defense investment fund uh forum

02:53:40.520 meeting here tomorrow where there's expected to be a financial significant billions and billions

02:53:47.320 tens of billion dollars financial commitment to ukraine to to support them this year next year

02:53:54.120 in the war against russia so that's what president zielinski will be looking for

02:53:57.880 president trump is going to be coming in here looking for something else he's going to be

02:54:01.240 looking to make sure that his nato european partners that has been leaning on for a long time

02:54:06.120 to up their defense spending uh five percent of gdp is what is required by agreement last year of the

02:54:14.040 the Hague Declaration from the Hague Leaders Summit of 5% GDP by 2035. So President Trump's

02:54:20.360 going to be looking to see who's doing that, who isn't doing it. And I think it's going to be

02:54:24.440 very interesting to see how he deals with countries like Spain that aren't stepping up and haven't so

02:54:29.520 far made a commitment to getting to that level of spending over the next nine years. And I think

02:54:37.300 there's anxiety here. When President Trump walks into a NATO summit these days, there's worry. It

02:54:41.480 It was only a few months ago that he wanted to take Annex Greenland, which is part of Denmark, which is a NATO allies country.

02:54:49.440 And then on top of that, President Trump's been frustrated with the way his NATO allies have not, in his opinion,

02:54:56.000 stepped up sufficiently during Epic Fury, the U.S.-Iran war.

02:55:00.620 He wanted more support.

02:55:01.680 So all of that is in the mix here.

02:55:05.300 President Zelensky will be very focused on what he needs.

02:55:09.100 president trump undoubtedly very clear and determined to get what he wants out of it as

02:55:14.040 well i think uh this summit takes on a huge let me raise some super chats real quick

02:55:19.420 so they don't pile up too too much um gg channel says uh i'm on tiktok as well the black gotcha

02:55:26.520 gamer can i get a wrench yeah when i start tiktok back up maybe i'll start up tiktok right now 0.61

02:55:31.240 maybe i'll maybe i'll start up tiktok uh again here in a second the only thing that sucks bro 0.98

02:55:38.500 is i gotta like watch my language on tiktok it's so fucking gay bro uh crazy house nico's trying to 0.97

02:55:42.940 go at nick the whole time during the debate with you and riyadh thank you for not turning on nick 0.97

02:55:46.860 i don't know if he was trying to go at nick he didn't even mention him one time but uh tl says

02:55:51.220 hey what's up myron any chance of you and the valhalla guy doing a club he's on right now

02:55:55.560 with uh one of the youtube gun experts talking about the trial no expert believes charlie was

02:56:00.380 shot by 30 out six the damage would have been gruesome yeah i see here that he's live let's

02:56:04.640 see here let's take a look there's probably something in in the process right now oh i bet

02:56:08.060 there is yeah some too huge propaganda piece i don't know who this guy is but you're saying

02:56:12.340 he's a gun expert bro looks like mr clean but the asian version like what is what um

02:56:22.760 i don't know man like i said i don't mind um i think i might be too controversial for him though

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02:56:59.840 income with 22k in savings uh bro your credit score must suck if you're getting interest rate

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02:57:09.540 Are we talking about a house?

02:57:11.820 What are you trying to get a loan for?

02:57:15.140 This is like for a semi-truck.

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02:57:19.180 Hit up Fresh, bro.

02:57:21.080 Hit up Fresh.

02:57:22.260 Fresh knows about cars.

02:57:24.100 Hit up Fresh.

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02:57:26.360 Martin, will Syria girl be on FedReacts or FNF? 0.99

02:57:29.520 And it actually makes me hate. 1.00

02:57:31.560 Yeah, well. 1.00

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02:57:35.480 Got me dancing at the office, but had to close the door.

02:57:37.820 Yeah, bro, you got to, don't get caught.

02:57:39.960 Ken Rose, thumbs up, thank you.

02:57:41.460 Russell Viking is former FBI.

02:57:42.860 Could you do a highlight summary?

02:57:43.960 What did you think about the trial so far?

02:57:45.800 Not former FBI, former HSI.

02:57:49.560 And what I think about the trial so far,

02:57:51.240 it's not a trial, it's a preliminary hearing.

02:57:52.740 All they got to do is establish probable cause.

02:57:55.240 BB says, why did they break that attorney was cooking? 1.00

02:57:59.620 Because she didn't want to get into, 1.00

02:58:00.840 she didn't want to have to stop.

02:58:03.640 So they'll do it often.

02:58:04.560 When they're getting into something that might take longer,

02:58:06.160 they'll break for lunch early

02:58:07.680 so that she doesn't get interrupted.

02:58:09.820 Happens all the time.

02:58:10.900 Chatsamari, keeping us all sharp enough today.

02:58:12.440 Got you. 1.00

02:58:12.860 Do women at least deserve bare minimum? 1.00

02:58:15.840 No, probably not. 1.00

02:58:17.640 Free men die free.

02:58:18.960 I think their angle is trying to prove Robinson's presence

02:58:21.120 and railroad him without proof of him

02:58:23.460 holding the weapon at the scene.

02:58:25.160 It's starting to look like that, too.

02:58:26.860 I think he might be on to something.

02:58:27.780 We'll see, though.

02:58:29.560 All right, this is you.

02:58:31.700 What's up, AJ?

02:58:32.300 point the cart hit the cart point the court point the cart hit the cart point the court 0.65

02:58:40.300 don't know aj's i don't know some stuff love you buddy don't know what the hell you're talking

02:58:45.260 about there dear jen uh all right we have a second microphone so entering you can enter

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02:59:07.980 the north side of that there's a tunnel that goes underneath the road that still comes out into the

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02:59:19.500 let's go back to ukraine russia bro huge significance specifically for zelensky i mean

02:59:24.540 I mean, obviously, we hear time and time again how much Russia continues to really try to put

02:59:28.960 pressure on the Ukrainians. For President Trump, some of the words that he's used

02:59:34.840 in the sort of recent past has been, you know, we should somehow find an end to this war. We

02:59:40.520 should get Russia to knock it off. Obviously, Zelensky at this point is really looking for 0.95

02:59:45.400 America's resolve, not just words here. We know that Trump spoke on the phone to Vladimir Putin

02:59:50.260 and Zelensky, as I mentioned, over the weekend in honor of July 4th. What does Trump need to do at

02:59:55.760 this point to really change things just in terms of ensuring that there is some kind of momentum

03:00:02.640 when it comes to a peace deal here? Look, I think that, first of all, Russia's attacks,

03:00:09.840 in addition to being deadly and devastating for the people and for Ukraine, are also intended

03:00:15.940 clearly to be very provocative, the timing there. And with President Trump, it's very difficult to

03:00:21.640 know. As we know now, we've been watching him since 2015, 2016. It's very difficult to know

03:00:29.700 how he responds to that provocation. He travels to the NATO summit. He clearly has a personal

03:00:37.140 fondness for Erdogan. And so that's good for NATO. And he's also in the past had a personal 0.96

03:00:45.640 fondness for Putin. But having that provocation on the eve of the NATO summit could lead President

03:00:52.060 Trump to do what he should do, which is to double down on NATO's demonstration of unity. I mean,

03:00:59.040 after all, this is a summit. You know, you could say it's only a summit. So it really is about

03:01:04.380 signaling. It's about NATO signaling unity, coherence, and not division. And that provocation

03:01:13.500 by Vladimir Putin should be an invitation to President Trump to demonstrate the strength,

03:01:21.220 the resilience, and the commitment of the NATO alliance. Whether he will take that invitation

03:01:28.300 is very difficult to anticipate. You know, you can imagine a scenario where he pushes hard

03:01:34.200 on Zelensky and says, you know, you two have to help to end the war. But let's hope that that's 0.97

03:01:41.500 not what he does. China is watching. Iran is watching. And this comes at a very difficult

03:01:47.080 time for the United States and Europe, where President Trump feels personally affronted

03:01:52.340 that the Europeans did not step up immediately to support the U.S. in its war with Iran.

03:02:00.620 Yeah. I mean, you mentioned a few key points, not just the fact that President Trump is sort

03:02:07.580 of angry at European allies for not stepping up

03:02:09.800 when it comes to the war with Iran, but this idea- 0.96

03:02:12.660 Yeah, I mean, NATO's useless, bro.

03:02:14.400 I think our NATO usage has kind of ran out at this point,

03:02:19.300 if I'm gonna be very honest about it.

03:02:22.640 I think it's really ran out, dude.

03:02:24.280 There's not much benefit to it anymore.

03:02:27.500 ...the idea that one of the main reasons

03:02:29.300 why President Trump-

03:02:30.320 We put all the money in, got dragged in 1.00

03:02:33.020 and it's a stupid-ass war, pay all this money. 1.00

03:02:35.120 Like, bro, what are we doing here, man? 1.00

03:02:37.580 Like, what are we doing here?

03:02:39.620 I said that he's attending this meeting in the first place

03:02:42.000 is because of his close ties.

03:02:44.000 I mean, obviously he does seem to love strong men,

03:02:46.060 his close ties with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

03:02:49.380 And it comes at a time, not just in terms of this important bilateral relationship

03:02:54.380 between Erdogan and President Trump,

03:02:57.040 but also at a time when the president has repeatedly talked about

03:03:00.560 pulling and drawing down U.S. forces in Europe

03:03:03.960 and sort of scaling back America's role in NATO.

03:03:06.860 Just talk to us about how all of that changes the dynamics and the calculations within NATO itself.

03:03:14.940 Well, we've seen across. 1.00

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03:03:23.400 Retarded fucking Russia hawks that thought, yeah, we could get in a war with these guys. 1.00

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03:05:17.940 a real push to increase their spending to try to increase you know the number one i think barrier 0.99

03:05:24.720 to europe being stronger within nato is that interoperability that cohesiveness that

03:05:30.660 joint defense procurement all sorts of internal mechanisms in addition to just the

03:05:36.560 raw spending calculation that will allow all right woman talking no care okay let's go into

03:05:43.760 erica kirk break silence ahead of explosive hearing yeah but basically what you guys need to know

03:05:47.700 Summary

03:05:49.260 Russia launched a deadly attack on Ukraine yesterday

03:05:51.940 On Kiev

03:05:52.760 Roughly 12 deaths

03:05:54.700 Huge damage

03:05:56.080 The war is raging on

03:05:58.220 And there's no end in sight, bro

03:06:00.800 Honestly

03:06:01.840 Also, what I might do for you guys

03:06:06.000 Let me know if you guys would be interested in this

03:06:08.020 I've always wanted to watch this

03:06:09.400 And I think I might do it

03:06:11.040 But Oliver Stone 1.00

03:06:13.000 The Jew 0.98

03:06:14.120 Did a bunch of interviews with Putin back in the day

03:06:16.660 okay um if you guys want i can do those on oss and watch them with you guys 0.89

03:06:26.860 and we'll break them down do it on oss if i do it on youtube i get fucking hit with a copyright

03:06:33.440 but yeah news alert because these could be very tense and emotional moments inside a utah courtroom 0.60

03:06:42.440 this morning for the very first time jason car myron after hours tonight uh i don't think i 0.94

03:06:48.040 mean not for me bro i'm tired as fuck man guys i haven't slept yet i've been on all night 0.98

03:06:51.600 literally been on all night 0.98

03:06:54.640 time charlie kirk's widow erica and his parents are set to come face to face

03:07:10.760 at a preliminary hearing with the man accused of killing him.

03:07:14.900 Matt Finn is outside the courthouse in Provo, Utah, with more. Hi, Matt.

03:07:19.820 Hi, Dana. This week will mark 10 months since Charlie Kirk was assassinated here in Utah,

03:07:25.820 and his alleged assassin, Tyler Robinson, has yet to even enter a plea.

03:07:30.460 Robinson's defense team tried multiple strategies to get the possibility of the death sentence off

03:07:35.560 the table and delay the beginning of the preliminary hearing that's scheduled to begin

03:07:39.680 this morning and last all week now in utah a preliminary hearing is used to determine if

03:07:44.760 there's probable cause to move forward with a murder trial late last week uh they got enough

03:07:50.000 probable cause bro that's that's not even the question they got more than enough probable

03:07:54.500 cause this hearing honestly is just a formality and i think the the real strategy from the defense

03:08:00.100 here is um they want to see what the prosecution has that's the real reason but they got more than

03:08:05.720 not enough probable cause dude more than enough the defense is just trying to delay the trial

03:08:11.960 see what the prosecution has and keep their client from getting a death penalty so we'll see what

03:08:17.620 happens though the utah supreme court denied probable cause guys does not have a threshold

03:08:24.380 three appeals by robinson's legal team which paved the way for the prelim to begin today

03:08:30.140 with the camera in court tyler robinson is charged with aggravated murder in the assassin

03:08:35.720 um i think that the process the defense is definitely going to use like all the people

03:08:40.320 that like um you know have like alternative theories i think i me just speaking out loud

03:08:46.820 here i do think that the defense is going to use that maybe not for the prelim but for the trial

03:08:52.900 for sure for sure assassination of charlie kirk in court this week the state has indicated it's

03:09:00.700 going to present a video that shows

03:09:02.580 Robinson's former roommate. Because remember

03:09:04.660 guys, the defense's job is to create

03:09:06.520 reasonable doubt.

03:09:11.520 So,

03:09:12.280 a lot of these alternative theories

03:09:13.900 are going to absolutely be used

03:09:16.880 to defend

03:09:18.500 Tyler Robinson and create reasonable doubt.

03:09:20.980 You best believe

03:09:22.040 that they're going to use it.

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03:10:17.380 telling police 0.99

03:10:25.200 Bro.

03:10:27.080 All right.

03:10:30.380 That Robinson confessed that he assassinated Charlie Kirk,

03:10:36.320 who was murdered last September 10th at Utah Valley University.

03:10:40.300 Investigators say Tyler Robinson shot Kirk with a rifle from a rooftop

03:10:44.240 and then text messages confessed to his roommate lover.

03:10:49.820 Pattern Star, David, thank you for the gifted.

03:10:52.000 Appreciate you, bro.

03:10:52.940 lance twigs twigs texted why robinson replied why did i do it twig said yeah robinson explained i

03:11:03.580 had enough of his hatred some hate cannot be negotiated out if i'm able to grab my rifle

03:11:09.420 unseen i will have left no evidence now a lot of people are saying that this is um doctored text

03:11:16.580 messages all right what i will say though is that progresses one is dead i'll say that

03:11:24.560 um miles bartley thoughts on 30a and florida panhandle have you ever considered investing

03:11:33.880 in real estate here um if the deal makes sense then yeah nicklin thank you very much for the

03:11:40.200 gift of sub appreciate you man yeah all you broke he's better say you're broke he's somebody

03:11:44.060 who will gift you a sub and hook you up hopefully now the prosecution hubba milk the cow subscribe

03:11:50.820 for four months thank you bro has indicated it's prepared to forewarn the families of tyler

03:11:56.580 robinson and charlie kirk if graphic video or testimony is about to be discussed in court

03:12:02.600 and this morning we have a brand new statement hey sammy 626 thank you so much for the five

03:12:07.120 I appreciate you guys, man.

03:12:10.320 ...statement from Erica Kirk and Charlie's family.

03:12:13.600 It reads in part,

03:12:14.940 every court proceeding serves as a painful reminder of his death

03:12:18.540 and the loss that has irrevocably impacted our lives

03:12:21.640 and the lives of his children.

03:12:23.380 The prosecution has indicated the plans to call witnesses,

03:12:26.040 including state investigators and Utah Valley University police.

03:12:31.000 Dana, Bill.

03:12:32.160 Matt Ben, thank you.

03:12:33.120 So I want to bring in James Gagliano,

03:12:34.860 My own retired FBI supervisory agent, Fox's contributor, also there in Utah.

03:12:38.900 And James, good morning to you.

03:12:40.660 Based on what I read here, the prosecution's case is this.

03:12:43.840 They've got overwhelming evidence, and they're set to prove it.

03:12:46.640 How do you see that? 0.95

03:12:48.660 Well, there's a reason why the preliminary hearing took almost a goddamn year to do, bro. 0.92

03:12:56.100 They had a lot of evidence that they had to turn over during discovery, and the defense needed the time. 0.85

03:12:59.820 yeah and bill the standard is so low in a preliminary hearing remember you're not trying

03:13:06.520 to prove beyond a reasonable doubt you're just trying to show enough of the evidence so that

03:13:11.720 the judge can then go ahead and allow the trial to commence and look utah's a peculiar place in that

03:13:17.600 in their criminal court system you don't even get arraigned before this so we haven't even gotten a

03:13:23.260 plea yet from tyler robinson that may happen this week but may happen afterward at a separate

03:13:28.040 arraignment here okay it sounds yeah no indictment no nothing dude i think all they did was file an

03:13:32.780 information if i'm not mistaken to me james that this is like a grand jury proceeding

03:13:39.860 that usually is done in private and not in public am i right on that definition or

03:13:45.480 yeah but this is going to be in public and as part of the pre-trial you know uh maneuverings

03:13:52.120 what's going to happen is there are going to be witnesses are going to be called by both the

03:13:55.260 prosecution and the defense the defense are going to call three dna and forensics experts from out

03:14:01.360 of state and then the prosecution is going to call four state bureau of investigation folks

03:14:06.900 that collected the evidence as well as a utah valley university police officer that was there

03:14:11.840 when the when the that's the guy that testified uh first or is testifying right now as a matter of

03:14:16.380 fact on cross when the firing happened and also they're going to call to the stand which is going

03:14:22.420 to be pretty explosive but they're going to do it through something called an 1102 statement

03:14:26.980 lance twigs lance twigs is a romantic partner and the roommate of tyler robinson he's being

03:14:32.540 allowed to testify through audio visual means and not actually be in the courtroom today okay here

03:14:37.780 is erica kirk interesting this is november of 2025 and how public this case has been from the

03:14:44.860 beginning there were cameras all over my husband jimbo says messages are fresh on ig appreciate

03:14:50.680 you once again myron no problem dude if you can't get a hold of them just book a council with them

03:14:53.880 it'll be worth it what do you think about idaho new law death by firing squad i literally talked

03:14:58.300 about it um based do you think gas prices will go up since iran war is still not officially over

03:15:04.340 yeah it will because we're running out of um uh we're running out of strategic reserves bro

03:15:09.240 or sorry excuse me uh yes we're running out uh yeah we're running out of our strategic reserves

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03:16:12.200 okay so it's great when he was murdered

03:16:16.600 he's in the kick chat cameras all over my friends and family

03:16:22.380 morning we deserve to have cameras in there this is uh i remember this interview this was november

03:16:28.880 17th so two months after her husband was killed why not be transparent there's nothing to hide

03:16:35.760 Let everyone see and know how it happened, how it even got to this point.

03:16:43.880 This is something that could impact a generation and generations to come.

03:16:47.840 James, she's getting her wish in the following way.

03:16:51.580 It's going to be as public as our legal system allows, and that is cameras in the courtroom for all of us to watch.

03:17:00.420 Yeah, the judge has been very resistant to defense motions to disallow this.

03:17:05.480 And look, you know, as Justice Brandy said, you know, sunlight is the best disinfectant.

03:17:11.120 And I think it's more about the ideology, the perverse ideology that Tyler Robinson was beholden to comes out.

03:17:18.300 It clearly establishes a motive.

03:17:20.640 And lastly, Bill, there is evidence beyond evidence beyond evidence.

03:17:25.120 We've convicted murderers on probably 10 percent of what the state has right now.

03:17:29.900 The question is, what does the state choose to show now?

03:17:34.400 And this is what I told you guys about before.

03:17:36.360 You know, you don't want to blow your load at the preliminary hearing.

03:17:38.600 All you need to do is establish probable cause.

03:17:42.320 You know what I mean?

03:17:43.360 That's all you need to do is establish probable cause.

03:17:46.620 I'll be interested to see how the cross-examinations of witnesses go.

03:17:49.680 Okay, so we're going to see a lot now, and it's all going to be there on camera.

03:17:53.220 A preliminary hearing that's going to last five days, starting in a few hours.

03:17:57.960 James, good to have you on scene.

03:17:59.640 Thanks for coming on today.

03:18:01.200 Thanks, Bill.

03:18:01.940 Okay, Dana.

03:18:03.600 Be sure to like and subscribe for all the five.

03:18:06.660 All right, let's see what else we got.

03:18:16.660 Let's see if there's anything else with Erica Kirk here.

03:18:23.900 Oh, yeah, this was earlier.

03:18:25.320 For the record, the court also recognizes the presence of Miss Erica Kirk.

03:18:30.160 Miss Kirk, good morning.

03:18:33.600 First, with respect to courtroom protocol, to maintain security and decorum, any individual

03:18:41.140 who exits the courtroom during proceedings will not be permitted to re-enter until the

03:18:46.780 recess.

03:18:48.780 All counsel are expected to take reasonable measures to safeguard confidential communication.

03:18:54.620 Such measures may include the use of screen protections on electronic devices and care

03:18:59.680 to avoid the inadvertent capture of privileged or private discussions by recording equipment or by

03:19:05.140 those present in the courtroom in addition the microphones at your tables i didn't realize we

03:19:12.420 had a bunch of y'all ninjas watching on x bro shout out to all you guys watching on x skeletal

03:19:16.660 being thank you for the uh for the five um shout out to all you guys watching on x bro we had a

03:19:24.840 we had we had a lot of y'all ninjas on here like a thousand people watching on x right now bro

03:19:29.060 Watching live, which you guys know

03:19:31.120 X is not really known for live streaming

03:19:33.600 They're trying to make it more about live streaming

03:19:35.360 But

03:19:36.740 Shout out to all you guys that are watching on X

03:19:39.460 Even though it's owned by 1.00

03:19:41.380 Julan fucking bitch ass nigga Musk 1.00

03:19:43.280 But 1.00

03:19:44.260 I hope you guys are having a good time

03:19:46.280 Go ahead and get engaged in the chat guys

03:19:49.980 I opened up the chat for you guys so you guys can yap in there

03:19:51.920 So 1.00

03:19:54.860 I'll say what's up to all you niggas 1.00

03:19:57.420 i'm acknowledging you ninjas my bad i never look at the fucking twitter chat because twitter's 1.00

03:20:05.460 filled with faggots dude and um and elon musk is a faggot have been turned off i call him julon 1.00

03:20:12.180 musk again an attempt to try to minimize but now you guys are going to see all the people on x so 0.99

03:20:17.100 if you guys are watching on x right now do me a favor type in a chat now everybody's going to see

03:20:21.420 you guys in here i see a couple of you ninjas in here what's up guys yeah now we can see the

03:20:29.880 ex-ninjas on here it's the possibility of any of the communications being captured for the record

03:20:35.540 the court also recognizes the presence of miss erica kirk miss kirk good morning all right let's

03:20:41.360 see what else we got here with the trial um let's go to law and crime real quick see what they got

03:20:54.600 let's go kirk let's see here

03:21:11.360 yeah people are just uh what was this i never heard this girl before in my life

03:21:26.120 you know what let's go ahead you guys the conspiracy people will go ahead and go on

03:21:35.300 here for you guys because you guys you guys wanted the uh the different theories here we go

03:21:39.920 And there is one person responsible for what happened here, and that person is now in custody and will be charged soon and will be held accountable.

03:21:53.820 After an over 30-hour manhunt, authorities say they've got the man who shot and killed political activist Charlie Kirk on the campus of Utah Valley University.

03:22:03.040 because as the frantic search was ramping up, there has been a lot of chatter and misinformation

03:22:08.240 and theories surrounding Charlie Kirk's death. We're taking some time to discuss some of these

03:22:14.120 theories that have been spreading quite quickly online and in the media, as well as brand new

03:22:18.340 information on the suspect. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law & Crime. I'm Jesse Weber.

03:22:27.080 Federal and state authorities in Utah say they have arrested the gunman, the man who allegedly

03:22:31.780 took the life of political activist and media personality Charlie Kirk, identifying him during

03:22:37.140 a news conference this morning as 22-year-old Tyler Robinson, who actually, by the way,

03:22:43.380 lived hours away from Utah Valley University. But authorities say he is the man. They say he

03:22:50.340 is the one who brought a bolt-action rifle to the top of a campus building and fired one shot

03:22:56.020 at Kirk, who, by the way, was speaking in this debate-style event in front of thousands of

03:23:01.560 people. That bullet, and I'm sure you've seen the videos, that bullet hit Kirk in the neck.

03:23:07.260 He was rushed to a hospital, but the married father of two young children was pronounced dead

03:23:12.700 at just 31 years old. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. We got him. On the evening of September

03:23:19.860 11th, a family member of Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted the Washington

03:23:26.980 County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that

03:23:32.240 he had committed the incident. Robinson, he was taken into custody around 10 p.m. He was booked

03:23:38.340 into jail. According to FBI Director Cash Patel, after surveillance images and video of this suspect

03:23:44.820 was released to the public, they received thousands of leads. While he said that they're

03:23:50.700 going to follow up on all those leads, even though there's an arrest, there are still so

03:23:55.600 many theories about what happened here. And you wonder, is it really going to quiet that

03:24:00.820 conversation? We're talking misunderstandings. We're talking misinformation. We're talking up

03:24:05.960 conspiracy theories, general theories. That is what we want to get into right now.

03:24:11.100 because now speaking of conspiracy conspiracy theories um there is a war going on on twitter

03:24:17.760 right now guys okay you guys know i don't comment on drama like that um but they've this has been

03:24:24.360 nuts i i've this has been going on for days chat literally for days um you guys can see here uh

03:24:33.420 candace posted this earlier today three hours ago one more fight charlie i don't fear these demons

03:24:38.160 we will win right a lot of uh support and then here's jeremy boring the demon is you canis or

03:24:45.760 is in you the demon is tyler romerson or was in him the demon is not charlie's wife the demon is

03:24:51.500 not charlie's closest friends the demon is not the organization charlie bled to build and grow 0.98

03:24:55.120 the demon is not israel who has nothing to do with any of this okay nigga 0.95

03:24:59.360 or the egyptians or the french or any of the other people in institutions you have 0.98

03:25:04.540 slandered for money and fame your narcissism and sociopathy uh and self-interest and resentment

03:25:11.980 and grief have all commingled into something truly sinister which you have become in which

03:25:17.520 you have done can only be answered in the blood of the very christ jesus you bless them for cheap

03:25:23.280 points and clicks you are playing games with your soul candace and with people's lives it is a game

03:25:30.420 you lose automatically just by playing you sit on top of the world of fame but you are failing

03:25:35.220 no falling into the pit of hell itself you're leading others there too and being cheered on by

03:25:40.700 those already lost god have mercy on your soul and it's kind of been the um the mantra of the

03:25:47.000 people that dislike candace you know people from daily wire people from tp usa relentless going

03:25:55.860 after i guess this guy says you're the demon um you know so you can see people like just like

03:26:03.780 you know point us up a bunch of stuff uh is this stacy sheridan walking in with ck's parents 0.68

03:26:09.640 can somebody give me the background of this chick i know she used to work for turning point usa but

03:26:13.780 like what's the relevance here oss alex with the 10 gifted thank you my friend appreciate you bro

03:26:20.020 and then uh shout out to all you guys following the channel by the way as well shout out to all

03:26:25.060 ninjas hope you guys are enjoying the broadcast should i start going live earlier in the middle

03:26:29.460 of the day like this more i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have to go live in the middle of the day 0.95

03:26:34.700 like this seems like you guys really enjoy this shit you were not charlie's friend you were not 0.99

03:26:42.680 his defender you were his tormentor and now you torment his wife an organization he built 1.00

03:26:46.640 candace you're a fraud oh he's quoting andrew colbert yeah so 0.98

03:26:50.660 Andrew Colvin and Candace have been going at each other crazy the past several days I haven't really 0.99

03:26:58.340 said anything about it because you know whatever um but obviously with this hearing going on

03:27:03.660 you know emotions are high you know no one's really happy that Charlie got killed bro like 1.00

03:27:10.280 nobody like you know you got to be a sick piece of shit to cheer on um for Charlie's assassination 0.99

03:27:17.380 you know um and obviously you know emotions are very high right now because this is the first time 0.99

03:27:23.480 that we're actually like getting any type of legal progression in this case 0.97

03:27:27.840 right for you know you guys remember charlie got killed on september 10th guys 2025 it's fucking 0.51

03:27:34.340 july 6 2026 like it took 10 months right for us to hear anything so obviously this is a very

03:27:43.200 emotional day it's a very important day um for everybody so um yeah I'll read I'll read this

03:27:51.220 for you guys a little bit here he goes um so he's responding to Candace's comment here with

03:27:56.800 Charlie right there from this photo and he says uh hold on let me let me finish reading these

03:28:03.780 super chats so I make sure I don't uh welcome to the OSS urban legend have you seen that Andrew

03:28:07.780 Wilson wants to debate Candace Owens about Charlie Kirk's assassination conspiracy around it yes I

03:28:11.600 I did see some buzzes about that.

03:28:13.240 Yes, I did.

03:28:14.700 Hey, man, I just want to say that I appreciate everything you do for us.

03:28:16.780 Feel bad I lucked out on the $250 merch,

03:28:18.800 but made the decision to get all my debts paid off.

03:28:20.920 I'm $4K away from credit and loan payment.

03:28:24.020 I'm on track to finish it by late November.

03:28:25.480 Absolutely, bro.

03:28:25.960 No problem.

03:28:26.780 No problem.

03:28:27.220 I'd actually rather you pay off your debt than buy a hoodie for me, bro.

03:28:29.800 I'd actually rather you pay off your debt, so don't worry about it.

03:28:32.400 Send a message.

03:28:33.120 It's a rush on IG.

03:28:33.840 Okay, we're caught up.

03:28:35.360 All right.

03:28:36.820 Cool.

03:28:38.180 If you really want to support, the best way to support, guys, is the OSS.

03:28:40.900 Joining the OSS is only a dollar to join the first month.

03:28:43.560 You keep doing daytime streams.

03:28:44.880 Get us nine to five workers through the shift. 0.99

03:28:48.500 Damn, is it really that bad? 0.98

03:28:52.400 Are there, like, no good streamers that go on in the middle of the day? 0.99

03:28:55.640 Chat?

03:28:58.300 Are there really no, like, I could maybe adjust and do middle of the day like this

03:29:02.260 if y'all really want it, but are there, like, no good, like, oh, really? 1.00

03:29:08.240 What, are all the faggots on during the day? 1.00

03:29:10.900 Who's on during the day? 1.00

03:29:23.320 Los Pollos?

03:29:26.320 Oh, man. 1.00

03:29:28.720 Los Botos, you mean? 1.00

03:29:30.660 Los Botos, the fat fuck that watches Netflix and fucking gambles all day, that fucking faggot? 1.00

03:29:37.260 Fucking piece of shit, bro. 1.00

03:29:40.900 Fucking piece of shit, man. 1.00

03:29:43.760 Anus and Reach, them niggas don't stream. 1.00

03:29:45.960 A.K.A. Abort and Preach. 1.00

03:29:48.540 Osman Gwaislop?

03:29:50.980 Look, Osman's good, man.

03:29:52.860 Osman's good. 1.00

03:29:53.640 The only thing with Osman is, like, he's super blue-pilled on the Jews. 1.00

03:29:58.380 That's his only problem. 0.96

03:29:59.440 He's super blue. 1.00

03:30:00.220 He's too blue-pilled on the Jews, bro. 1.00

03:30:02.000 Way too blue-pilled on the Jews. 0.92

03:30:05.400 Tim Pool? 0.81

03:30:06.260 Nah, Tim doesn't go on during the day. 0.99

03:30:08.040 I mean, I know he has a day show, but, like, that's not his main shit. 1.00

03:30:10.900 His main shit is IRL. 0.99

03:30:17.800 Yeah, Nelk is on, I know. 1.00

03:30:18.980 But them niggas don't work, bro. 1.00

03:30:20.600 They could jump on stream like once a fucking blue. 1.00

03:30:23.540 You know what I mean? 0.99

03:30:26.900 You know?

03:30:29.120 So, all right.

03:30:31.180 Maybe I might have to switch my timing.

03:30:32.860 I don't know what time I would go, though.

03:30:35.920 Somebody said Patrick Starved David.

03:30:37.900 He goes on in the morning.

03:30:38.940 he goes on

03:30:41.140 he goes on in the morning

03:30:42.040 so

03:30:44.460 um

03:30:46.100 yeah so 1.00

03:30:47.860 so none of the base niggas are on during the day 0.99

03:30:49.680 Adam Green stopped being spiritually conquered 0.99

03:30:58.080 by Jews 1.00

03:30:58.580 what the fuck 1.00

03:31:00.840 I don't know what the hell you're talking about 1.00

03:31:06.420 but okay 0.67

03:31:06.820 uh let's see what else we got here

03:31:11.220 most streamers most streamers trash just slop well here's the thing bro uh the problem is that 0.89

03:31:24.300 like um most streamers are scared to talk about certain topics bro niggas don't want to lose their 0.89

03:31:28.940 money guys you guys got to understand this bro shout out to the ogs and the oss yep shout out to 0.99

03:31:32.840 you niggas kb was there's plenty of sick pieces of shit who are happy about it they could use an 0.99

03:31:37.460 ass whooping yeah the only good streamer during the daytime hours on occasion is andrew wilson 1.00

03:31:43.400 and jake rattlesnake oh they go on during the day i thought they went on at night they go on

03:31:48.240 during the day okay thanks to you marion i was able to get a job as a laborer for a plumbing

03:31:52.160 company and your streams helped me get through the day all right what was the invisalign company

03:31:56.440 you use uh it's clear correct ever brawn got to give your boy mario now fall credit going hard

03:32:02.360 to paint these days yeah yeah yeah he does like a bunch of interviews i don't know what he's

03:32:06.080 going to do in the war's end though uh you know uh when you rely too much on guest power you

03:32:15.340 because it creates issues all right andrew covet uh candace you and charlie were not friends he

03:32:20.680 managed you he kept things light and polite so you wouldn't turn on the organization tell me

03:32:25.600 any proof of genuine friendship for the last 12 months of this of his life from the last 18 months

03:32:29.720 from the last 24 months, not some 2018 text, something recent. You gave him anxiety whenever

03:32:36.200 you called or texted asking, parentheses demanding, to speak at our events. He made me or Justin deal

03:32:42.340 with you and George. This is why when you tried to hire me in February 2024 for PR, I agreed to go

03:32:48.360 along with it against my better judgment because Charlie asked me to keep you close and protect the

03:32:52.340 work from you. The publicist I tried to hire to run point prayed about it and felt the Lord told

03:32:58.360 or affirm no and so i ultimately declined this is your central foundational lie you're not his

03:33:04.600 friend you are not his defender you were his tormentor and now you torment his wife in the 0.92

03:33:09.300 organization he built candace you're a fraud and they've been going back and forth like this 0.86

03:33:14.600 for a while um let's see what candace has to say um oh yeah this is when she was in moscow

03:33:21.940 uh 19 minutes ago just responded here andrew the reason i didn't i don't share too much of the

03:33:27.640 Gibby C

03:33:29.460 thank you so much

03:33:29.980 for the five gifted

03:33:30.640 appreciate you man

03:33:33.100 appreciate you

03:33:34.320 appreciate you greatly

03:33:37.000 shout out to all the ninjas

03:33:38.600 showing love to the stream

03:33:39.940 I've been up all night

03:33:41.440 no sleep for you guys

03:33:42.460 we hit our 3000

03:33:44.420 if we could hit our

03:33:48.720 3250

03:33:50.560 that would be awesome

03:33:51.400 but let's keep on

03:33:55.360 let's keep on going on to going on.

03:34:09.220 Okay.

03:34:11.120 The reason I don't share too much of the recent stuff

03:34:12.980 is because it's got a lot to do with Israel

03:34:14.860 and the people that were radically supporting it.

03:34:17.280 Funny memes mocking people,

03:34:18.500 but with your permission, we could go max today.

03:34:20.520 Do you want me to keep sharing? 0.99

03:34:21.540 Oh, shit. 1.00

03:34:22.060 was this in response to 1.00

03:34:26.620 oh wow okay did she just put this stuff out andrew's been recently seeding the narrative that

03:34:38.680 charlie distanced himself from me here's andrew in his own words on a text chain with me and

03:34:43.840 charlie in may of 2024 denying that charge charlie had my back 100 his donors were the ones pressuring

03:34:49.780 him and he always expressed to me that he thought the daily wire was behind the sudden push

03:34:54.240 truth wins yeah that is true a lot of people don't know that that um charlie kirk and ben

03:34:59.720 shapiro didn't really get along like that so here she goes showing this and here well here's a

03:35:07.460 i guess a chain with them geez we're not dissing ourselves from you we have a bunch of donors that

03:35:12.280 want us to but we deal with them one-on-one and this website is resource explaining things most

03:35:16.460 of them are fine once we sit and talk with them i wonder if it's been ben personally or daily wire

03:35:20.920 pretty dirty can't swear with you 100 yeah there you go she got the receipts

03:35:25.420 charlie had so much anxiety about our friendship that he was the one

03:35:29.540 updating me on the farce of october 7th really weird to continually initiate convos with someone

03:35:36.760 you're scared of idf knew of a monster planet kidnap 250 before october 7th attack oh man 0.56

03:35:44.540 oh oh well well well well well well well well well well well well well you know jews doing jewish 0.99

03:36:02.180 shit hey andrew the reason i don't share too much of this stuff is uh okay 0.99

03:36:07.680 so yeah this is what she was pushing 0.97

03:36:14.540 who's this guy i'm glad you finally came to the surface right your previous employees told me

03:36:25.980 it was you and erica that were teaming up with the youtubers to put out the utterly fake narrative

03:36:30.140 that charlie and i were not friends and he had anxiety you also worked together to lie about his

03:36:34.620 pull towards catholicism and put out the deranged narrative that i secretly loved charlie and hadn't

03:36:39.340 spoken to him since 2019 despite me touring with him through to may 2024 here i'll just play this

03:36:45.740 clip relationship with who's this guy chat and again i apologize for my not knowing guys i have

03:36:53.320 not been i keep it a thousand with y'all bro i have not been keeping up with like you know

03:36:57.880 the tp usa and canada's drama i just you know obviously i'm visiting it today for the first

03:37:02.920 time even though i did see it on my timeline here and there like this like me actually like

03:37:08.220 looking at it now um because my thing was like i was like you know what dude i just want to see

03:37:13.820 the trial i just want to see the evidence you know i'm not going to get too much into

03:37:17.680 the back end stuff candace owens she's a great friend you know look i don't agree with everything

03:37:23.700 candace says but you know what i don't do i don't stop being friends with people just because people

03:37:28.060 morally blackmail me i don't do that you shouldn't either honestly i traveled the country with

03:37:31.820 candace i went to her wedding i saw her meet her husband i went to israel with candace which is a

03:37:36.440 fun story i'll tell you at some point i i think the world of candace she's a great mother she

03:37:40.540 certainly has very very fun opinions at times and she's a great talent she says a lot of stuff that

03:37:47.500 sometimes i don't agree with but that's what makes the relate our relationship and our friendship

03:37:51.380 in relationship with candace owens no she's a great yeah so they're going back and forth man

03:37:56.760 feel free guys to um you know go through the the lore

03:38:02.140 Serac No Diddy celebrates their subscription for five months.

03:38:07.460 Welcome, sir.

03:38:09.280 Welcome, welcome for five months.

03:38:15.340 So let's see what else we got here.

03:38:21.220 Because this was nine months ago, so this is kind of old.

03:38:24.840 I want to find something a bit more recent here.

03:38:26.540 okay here we go let's see what we got here here's a recap of what went down

03:38:35.660 this drive where's campus drive located on that campus drive starts right up here towards the

03:38:42.660 top left of the picture it's almost like a t and it's the curb road that comes all the way down

03:38:47.600 in front of the institute building and the parking structure and it goes all the way around campus

03:38:52.620 It comes back down to the bottom of the picture where the roundabout is, and that would be Campus Drive.

03:38:57.980 Okay.

03:38:58.800 Are you familiar with where 800 South is in Orem?

03:39:02.180 Yes.

03:39:02.600 Is that depicted on this exhibit?

03:39:04.860 It is.

03:39:05.400 Where is that at?

03:39:06.140 It's at the top of this photo.

03:39:07.460 It's going to be the long straight road.

03:39:09.000 That's right here at the top of the photo.

03:39:10.760 Okay.

03:39:12.280 What about 850 South?

03:39:14.560 Are you familiar with that street?

03:39:16.100 I am.

03:39:16.600 850 South is going to be towards the right of the photo, top right of it.

03:39:22.100 there's going to be a street that goes east to west. It looks like a horseshoe, kind of. It's

03:39:27.280 going to be the road that goes east to west in the middle of that horseshoe. It'll be 850. Okay,

03:39:31.380 so 850 is parallel to 800 south. Yes. And just below on this photograph. Yes. Okay. Are you

03:39:39.340 familiar with 600 west? I am. And where's that street in relationship to 850 south? That would

03:39:45.820 be on the far right side of the horseshoe, so towards the right side of the picture, and it's

03:39:49.820 be the right side of that horseshoe and that runs north and south north and south okay what about

03:39:56.940 720 west are you familiar with that street yes i am and where's that at that's going to be to the

03:40:01.500 left side of the horseshoe that runs north and south and it comes down towards the bottom okay

03:40:08.620 and finally 925 south 925 is going to be on the bottom of the horseshoe that connects

03:40:15.340 those other two Wests. Okay so just in summary will you describe the horseshoe

03:40:21.220 and what streets amount make up that horseshoe? So the horseshoe comes up off

03:40:27.040 of 800 south and directly south of that you'll have 850 south which is going to

03:40:31.900 be running east to west. On the left side is 725 west of the horseshoe and it

03:40:39.100 comes down into 925 south which wraps back around to 600 west on the far

03:40:43.900 right side of the horseshoe on the right side of the pitcher. Okay. Thank you, officer. You can be

03:40:50.020 seated. Okay. I'm going to take you back to September 10th, 2025. You mentioned you were

03:41:05.000 on campus. You had a particular assignment. Yes. Mr. Gernander, I'm sorry. We're just going to

03:41:10.760 pull down the exhibits. Okay. Thank you. You may continue. Would you like me to take this exhibit

03:41:16.040 down, Judge? Are you referring to it in your line of questioning right now? Not right now, I'm not.

03:41:21.720 Okay, let's go ahead and take it down.

03:41:40.760 So you were securing the Hall of Flags walkway, correct?

03:41:44.660 Yes.

03:41:45.080 On the south end?

03:41:46.260 Yes.

03:41:50.020 What was happening that morning, that day on campus at UVU?

03:41:55.340 I came in to do a shift for a special event where we had a guest speaker come in

03:42:00.140 and was going to talk to the students and people around the neighborhood.

03:42:04.100 Do you know who the guest speaker was?

03:42:06.160 I do.

03:42:06.760 And who was it? 1.00

03:42:07.780 Damn, bro. 1.00

03:42:08.440 Why is everybody coming at fucking Sneaker right now, bro? 1.00

03:42:10.760 what the fuck man like well uh yeah i know sneco and i could just tell you living on the internet 1.00

03:42:20.820 every single day and doing everything that you do for clicks and attention will lead to brain rot 1.00

03:42:25.360 and just evidence sneco um there's a reason that all the guys that he was once friends with once

03:42:31.040 that he admired once that he allegedly according to andrew trade tried to hit on him i have no

03:42:35.280 longer uh want to associate with him i have nothing to do with him as they say he's crashing 0.98

03:42:39.060 out let's just say hey man i'm still here sneaker's my guy you fucking jew so you know it's 0.96

03:42:48.080 kind of funny as these american flags around here this is an israel first guy so jr tate did a whole 0.98

03:42:54.000 expose basically saying there's one guy that i will not deal with ever again and that's sneaker

03:42:58.240 shocking that someone named sneak oh sneaky sneaker turned out to be a snake nicholas the

03:43:03.280 second person is nick fuentes nick fuentes says he's a brown clown after being good friends with

03:43:07.560 them those two guys basically hate each other at this point it just basically shows that what

03:43:11.080 america stands for is not compatible with what the amen they'll reconcile one day okay

03:43:19.880 islamic uh isis type mentality stands for and then obviously destiny is basically destroyed 0.99

03:43:26.780 multiple times but this is evidence you know you say you could be book smart but life dumb 0.97

03:43:30.780 sneaker is actually uh neither he's not smart and he's not uh full of wisdom but he's just 0.86

03:43:36.060 playing for clicks on the internet and be uh just understand that you'll get what you pay for the

03:43:40.640 bottom line is this thank you snico for revealing yourself for the the main thing of saying in

03:43:44.740 mamdani's new york in the islamic republic of new of new yorkistan as he called it uh islam

03:43:50.720 inshallah will take over every single house so i just want to thank you for revealing yourself 0.70

03:43:54.480 burry's rage baited these guys so much man you know everyone is losing their minds man

03:43:58.140 it's like i think it was like a trending thing on twitter this clip

03:44:03.420 uh let me look here this still trending 0.98

03:44:07.580 yep holy shit 141 000 posts holy 0.84

03:44:15.540 hey 0.99

03:44:23.000 say what you want to say but that's a lot of fucking eyeballs on this content man so 0.98

03:44:31.240 and if anything it's just gonna galvanate you know his muslim fans even more he's just gonna 0.97

03:44:37.800 get more support so uh you guys can go ahead people can hate on him or whatever but um all 0.99

03:44:45.880 it's gonna do is rally his fan base even more so shout out to sneak i stand by him i don't go fuck 0.99

03:44:49.960 what these faggots say you know what i mean he's my guy you know i mean we could disagree on some 1.00

03:44:57.780 shit we had a whole discussion about mom donnie and socialism the other day i don't agree with it 1.00

03:45:01.540 but i'm not gonna fucking like just bash him when everyone else is bashing him i don't do that to 0.99

03:45:06.700 any of my friends bro when they came at nick i'm not gonna fucking you know oh he's a fed get the 1.00

03:45:12.660 fuck out of here with that bullshit oh sneeko is saying this so i get the fuck out of here with 1.00

03:45:17.220 this bullshit oh say he's a rapist get the fuck out of here with this bullshit you know i mean 1.00

03:45:21.360 i'm not gonna switch up on my friends because it's the popular thing to do 1.00

03:45:26.480 That's gay 1.00

03:45:27.660 It's faggotry 1.00

03:45:30.040 It's bullshit 1.00

03:45:31.000 Yes, it sucks that my friends aren't getting along 1.00

03:45:33.620 Yes, it does suck 0.97

03:45:34.900 Big in the middle 0.95

03:45:35.940 But maybe one day I can, you know 0.98

03:45:38.740 Fucking bring everybody together 0.98

03:45:41.040 But yeah, no 0.99

03:45:42.960 He's, you know, this is

03:45:44.700 This is huge marketing for Sneeko, man

03:45:48.320 So I'm happy for him 0.99

03:45:49.200 He has some people fucking mad 0.97

03:45:52.440 He definitely has some people pissed off 0.98

03:45:56.480 that's for sure uh let's see here what else we got

03:46:04.320 now they're saying most abakamani attended the funeral

03:46:10.800 i don't know about that that'd be very dangerous to do that

03:46:20.320 guys apparently 20 million people 20 million people showed up to this funeral bro

03:46:25.200 biggest funeral ever

03:46:28.500 yeah this is correct by the way i read this um

03:46:39.300 this is very this is very correct what nick said about like when it comes to activism

03:46:44.280 i agree with nick on um you can't show your power level dude take it from me dude take it from me

03:46:54.040 a guy that used to work for the federal government a guy that you know was out here catching criminals 0.99

03:46:58.380 and you know had a clearance and all this shit man take it from me dude um hide your power level man 1.00

03:47:04.240 i get it you're aware that women are stupid i get it you're aware that blacks commit crime 1.00

03:47:13.820 i get it you're aware that fucking trainees shouldn't have guns blacks are criminals 1.00

03:47:19.260 Asians are good at math 1.00

03:47:21.540 And eat dogs 1.00

03:47:23.440 Right 1.00

03:47:24.980 White dudes can't dance 0.99

03:47:27.980 And are corny 1.00

03:47:29.020 White women are whores 1.00

03:47:30.340 I get it 1.00

03:47:31.020 You know

03:47:31.840 Fantastic 1.00

03:47:32.960 Hide that shit man 1.00

03:47:34.540 Okay 1.00

03:47:35.100 Hide that shit 1.00

03:47:37.320 Hide that shit dude 1.00

03:47:40.080 We live in a very 1.00

03:47:41.920 Pussified society dude 0.83

03:47:43.180 So like if you show any 0.98

03:47:45.400 Like baseness

03:47:46.180 Like people are gonna ostracize you

03:47:48.880 Like I'll give you an example bro

03:47:50.400 There's an agent I used to work with back in the day

03:47:52.600 I talked with him like

03:47:56.220 Like two days ago

03:47:57.720 Bro's like oh

03:48:00.480 You out in the Klan hood

03:48:02.580 Okay

03:48:04.140 It's a joke 0.97

03:48:05.120 Hey bro that was fucked up it's not funny to me 1.00

03:48:08.440 Bitch ass nigga 1.00

03:48:09.400 This is a dude I used to joke with and shit like that man 1.00

03:48:14.260 But everyone's fucking soft and gay 1.00

03:48:16.700 Now dude 1.00

03:48:18.880 So, you know, even people that you make jokes with, people that you rock with, they might become woke faggots later, bro. 1.00

03:48:24.800 So you just got to hide your power levels, guys. 1.00

03:48:27.900 You got to hide your power level. 0.91

03:48:29.760 I don't want y'all, like, showing your power level and then you fucking lose opportunities. 0.94

03:48:35.260 So I 100% agree with Nick on that. 0.97

03:48:37.820 100%. 0.99

03:48:38.180 I don't want you guys to get fucking canceled like me. 0.98

03:48:41.960 And I'm sure Nick doesn't want you guys to get canceled like him. 0.97

03:48:49.060 Take it from a guy that went to a good school.

03:48:51.820 This is what you guys do.

03:48:55.100 You work really hard in high school. 0.99

03:48:57.600 Okay, you work really fucking hard. 0.97

03:48:59.900 You do extracurricular activities. 0.99

03:49:01.700 You stay away from drugs.

03:49:03.240 You stay away from alcohol. 1.00

03:49:04.860 You don't get no bitches pregnant. 1.00

03:49:07.760 You study for your SATs or ACTs. 1.00

03:49:11.820 You get into a good fucking school. 1.00

03:49:15.460 Preferably Ivy League. 1.00

03:49:16.380 I'm giving you guys the fucking game right now 1.00

03:49:18.920 Listen up faggots 1.00

03:49:19.700 Pay attention 1.00

03:49:23.200 Pay attention

03:49:24.580 As someone that went to a top tier university

03:49:26.740 With a 6% acceptance rate

03:49:28.020 I'm telling you guys what you have to do

03:49:29.540 You want to have power

03:49:32.240 You want to have influence

03:49:33.180 You want to have motion

03:49:34.500 This is what you do 0.99

03:49:36.740 You work really fucking hard in high school 0.99

03:49:40.160 Okay 0.99

03:49:41.880 You learn to write well

03:49:43.760 You learn to read well

03:49:45.220 you study for your SATs

03:49:47.580 take as many AP classes

03:49:49.740 as you can

03:49:50.260 okay

03:49:52.300 do extracurricular activities

03:49:54.640 play a sport especially

03:49:56.280 if you can

03:49:57.500 if you can't, join band

03:49:59.960 learn an instrument

03:50:01.020 do something that will give you an edge 1.00

03:50:04.620 fucking learn fencing, I don't give a shit 0.99

03:50:06.580 the Ivy League's have division one fencing 1.00

03:50:08.760 then

03:50:11.120 I want you to

03:50:12.940 and then I also want you to get a tutor that's going to prep you

03:50:15.040 to go to an Ivy League school. 0.99

03:50:17.700 You're going to apply to all the fucking Ivy League schools. 0.99

03:50:19.740 You're going to apply to all the top private universities 0.99

03:50:21.360 in the country.

03:50:23.460 Okay? 1.00

03:50:24.280 So all the Ivies, 0.95

03:50:26.240 Stanford, 0.97

03:50:27.380 Northeastern,

03:50:28.260 Northwestern,

03:50:30.200 right?

03:50:32.680 Avoid schools in the South.

03:50:33.740 I'm not going to lie. 1.00

03:50:34.660 Schools in the South is for stupid faggots, dude. 1.00

03:50:36.440 I'm going to be very honest with y'all. 1.00

03:50:38.440 All the top schools are in the fucking Northeast, dude. 0.98

03:50:41.880 I'm going to keep it a million with y'all. 1.00

03:50:43.080 all the top schools are in the fucking northeast all right the schools in the south are for fucking 1.00

03:50:48.580 stupid retards and sluts and motherfuckers that want to play sports and just like oh yeah i want 1.00

03:50:53.060 a tailgate if you really want to acquire power the top schools are in the northeast ivy league 1.00

03:50:58.400 especially okay rub elbows with the jews pretend that you like them okay and there's gonna be some 1.00

03:51:05.900 cool ones of course but pretend you like the zionist ones keep your nose down work hard get 0.99

03:51:12.460 a fucking job get into power and then you infiltrate from within but you have to get within 1.00

03:51:19.720 before you can infiltrate the problem is you guys fucking show your power levels too early 1.00

03:51:24.520 and you get fucking cooked MIT is another fantastic school yes 0.99

03:51:28.600 yeah Duke's okay 0.98

03:51:33.720 but there's better schools uh up north so yeah guys that's that's what you guys got to do

03:51:43.340 that's what you guys got to do work really fucking hard to get into an ivy league school

03:51:48.480 if you really want to take over okay and the beating with the ivy league schools guys 0.84

03:51:55.320 is like for example harvard um harvard for example like they got a financial aid system

03:52:02.620 where, like, you could damn near go to school for free.

03:52:04.400 It's, like, based off how much your parents make.

03:52:07.020 All the Ivy's have, like, really good financial aid packages

03:52:10.400 for their students.

03:52:13.660 And let me tell y'all something.

03:52:16.980 It's not good that going to an Ivy League school

03:52:18.720 is, like, going to give you a better education.

03:52:20.560 That's not why you go to these schools. 0.99

03:52:23.120 You go to these schools because they have elite fucking networks. 0.99

03:52:25.980 Let me make that clear, too. 1.00

03:52:28.260 These schools have elite networks.

03:52:30.000 How do you guys think I got a job with HSI?

03:52:32.620 you guys ever think about that the school i went to okay had an intern program called the co-op

03:52:39.140 program a lot of top the top brass at hsi went to northeastern

03:52:45.100 so i come in i got good grades i'm a division one athlete i speak arabic picked up

03:52:56.620 i got the internship and then i was able to become an agent after that why did i get that 0.94

03:53:01.900 opportunity because i went to a good fucking school here's the thing with college you can't 0.96

03:53:10.340 go to a low tier or shit tier or a mid-tier university anymore those days are done there 0.99

03:53:14.920 used to be you could go to some shitty ass state school and get a good job those days are done 1.00

03:53:18.160 faggots those days are done you have to go to an elite institution nowadays if you want to get a 1.00

03:53:22.700 job fresh out of college or get a good job because it's all about networks that's what it's about 1.00

03:53:26.940 now it's all about networks and the good schools have the networks all right anyway uh let's get 0.97

03:53:36.820 back the trial's back let's get back to it but that's how you do it guys okay i want y'all niggas 0.97

03:53:43.820 to win uh let's clear up this fucking shit a little bit i got a lot of tabs open 0.95

03:53:49.660 give me once in the chat if that makes sense give me once in the chat if that all makes sense for 0.98

03:53:58.240 you guys didn't know okay and you also mentioned that you've done SWAT in the past yes um were you

03:54:06.520 a were you a sniper I was I worked well with them but I was not a sniper okay

03:54:10.580 so when you all right awesome I'm glad that that can help some of you guys because I know we got

03:54:16.320 a lot of young you guys in here man so yes for the most part to summarize college is a scam for

03:54:22.000 most schools and for most people but if you go to a good school get good grades especially ivy league

03:54:26.600 schools that's where you get the opportunities because you get fantastic networks that's what

03:54:30.720 you're really paying for when you go to these ivy league schools that's why they are so hard 0.99

03:54:33.200 to get in you're guaranteed a fucking gig because they control the fucking world 0.99

03:54:36.420 you okay just strike that 1.00

03:54:39.780 also we talked where was myron 10 years ago hey man i was on the southwest border nigga 1.00

03:54:46.800 you guys could thank your fuck you guys could thank your lucky stars that i'm on the internet 0.99

03:54:51.740 now though sharing this sauce with y'all talked about the holster the holster that was found 1.00

03:54:56.480 are you aware there were any other guns confiscated on the scene that day i'm not

03:55:01.620 you don't know one way or the other i don't know

03:55:05.180 All right, and I want to go through with you your timeline.

03:55:14.140 You mentioned that you started at the Hall of Flags, right?

03:55:20.960 And then you came down, it took you a minute to kind of navigate the stairs with the crowd

03:55:24.980 and the chaos and everything, and then you were in the grassy area of the courtyard

03:55:30.660 for a bit.

03:55:31.660 Is that right?

03:55:32.660 Yeah, so about 30 seconds to get down the stairs, and then I went right down to where the tent was.

03:55:36.840 And that's where you found the holster?

03:55:39.960 No, the holster was up higher.

03:55:42.000 So I went down by the tent, so it was lower level.

03:55:44.920 So as I came down towards where Charlie Kirk was shot, I went down towards the tent to see what was going on down there

03:55:51.080 because I didn't know exactly what.

03:55:53.160 I heard the gun shot, didn't know exactly what was going on because I was above the tent.

03:55:56.060 I'm sorry, I missed that you went down to the tent.

03:55:57.980 So let me ask you about that.

03:55:59.320 So what did you do when you got down to the tent?

03:56:01.980 When I got down to the tent, Charlie was gone.

03:56:03.920 They put him in an SUV and left.

03:56:07.080 At that moment, there were still some people running around,

03:56:09.240 so I decided to preserve the scene as much as I could with trying to escort people out,

03:56:14.640 and that's when I went back in and started pushing people off the grass area

03:56:17.740 to conserve any ammunition or any casings or anything to that effect that would be around.

03:56:22.720 I wanted to make sure people were off, and there was as much evidence preserved as possible.

03:56:26.080 So just to be clear, by the time you got to the tent,

03:56:28.900 Mr. Kirk had already been removed and taken from the scene. Is that right? Yes, okay

03:56:35.260 So in your professional opinion, what was what was the perimeter of the crime scene?

03:56:42.780 What do you mean by a parameter so the perimeter like how far did this crime scene stretch?

03:56:47.700 Like where did you want people to move off of well first? I wanted them all off the grass because like I said is I

03:56:54.380 Thought we had a suspect in custody. So to me would be a close encounter

03:56:57.840 So I was trying to push everybody off the grass in case there were shell casings or to that fact that I got on the grass

03:57:02.640 So after I pushed them off to that part

03:57:05.200 And getting up to the top where I saw that empty holster

03:57:09.240 When I saw that empty holster is when it things start slowing down for me a little bit

03:57:13.320 All the chaos and stuff is that's when I realized that was a rifle shot not a handgun shot

03:57:17.280 Okay, and that's when you saw the low C building and it occurred you should go check it out. Yes

03:57:22.620 it was right in my line of sight and

03:57:25.320 Correct me if I'm wrong, but

03:57:27.320 And you, the whole time that this is going on, you had an active body camera on your, I guess your collar, is that right?

03:57:36.120 I was right on my chest, yes.

03:57:37.540 Okay, and it was on?

03:57:38.540 Yes.

03:57:40.260 And it appears to me from reviewing your body camera that there was another individual who was...

03:57:46.360 And just so you know, that's why a lot of police officers aren't going to put too much detail in their police reports because there's no need to do it.

03:57:52.620 FYI.

03:57:53.740 Okay?

03:57:54.020 the reason why his police report might not have certain details like where the shot came from

03:58:00.380 or whatever is because you can literally see it or you can see everything with the body cam

03:58:04.980 so it's actually better to keep your police report fairly vague and let the body cam handle

03:58:10.960 everything else with you that went to the low c building who was in civilian clothing but

03:58:16.920 appeared to have a gun who's that i i don't know who he was exactly like when i used to interview

03:58:21.760 bad guys what i would do is i would give like a quick little summary like bullet points and then

03:58:25.760 i'd say for the full interview here's the video attached to evidence boom that's it

03:58:29.900 exactly he had a badge on and i had somebody with me to back me up as i ran up the stairs

03:58:36.720 to make sure i had somebody with me so you don't know what agency he's from or where he's from no

03:58:41.840 and he it looked like he had a pistol yes is that right a handgun yes a handgun yeah um and so the

03:58:49.640 two of you go to the low c building yes did when you uh mr goodfell says mine's the big bro we

03:58:57.520 wish we had appreciate the wise words brother got you guys man gotcha man i want you guys to win 0.98

03:59:00.980 dude not get in trouble or ruin opportunities man don't talk about jews blacks and women 1.00

03:59:06.320 in public bro those are the three groups of people that will get you fucked up or fags 1.00

03:59:11.720 don't talk to about don't don't talk shit about any of those groups of people publicly bro 1.00

03:59:16.440 You will get in trouble. 0.99

03:59:18.860 Reviewed the videotape at the police department later.

03:59:21.980 Did you check to see if anyone had been on the low C building after the shooting,

03:59:28.360 after this individual had jumped off that you've already talked about?

03:59:31.340 Was there anybody else on the roof?

03:59:32.720 Did you check and see in that gap of time?

03:59:35.460 In that gap of time, no.

03:59:36.440 So once I put up the barrier, I only walked up to about that point.

03:59:40.480 Then I went down and reviewed the video from that moment on.

03:59:43.960 So were you able to see, are you able to say for one way or the other if anyone else had been on that roof in between when the person jumped off the building and when you came on the roof?

03:59:54.620 Are you able to say one way or the other?

03:59:56.280 There was people up there looking for an individual that ran that way because when I first got told the individual ran heading north, we didn't know where the shooter was.

04:00:04.660 So we started climbing up and looking, clearing the building.

04:00:07.800 And it wasn't until I went to the PD and actually saw him jump off of the building that I knew he was off the building.

04:00:12.500 let me rephrase that because i think i'm i either asked it badly or you misunderstood me so let me

04:00:18.000 let me go back again so from the time that the individual that you spot if you guys appreciate

04:00:23.900 that advice that i gave you guys the best way to support show love back join the oss guys

04:00:27.900 that is the best way to show love back i'll drop the link in here for you guys just use the code

04:00:34.500 um l youtube those are the two best ways to support the mission you can either give the

04:00:42.120 up or join oss dollar the first month 10 bucks after that that's how i'm able to do what i do 1.00

04:00:47.420 and say what i say despite the fact that youtube has me demonetize those fucking kike faggots 0.99

04:00:51.760 bought it on the video jumped off the roof right the individual that you thought was in the prone 0.99

04:00:57.320 position okay between that and when you got on the roof did you ever check to see if anybody else

04:01:03.080 had been on the roof in that period of time yeah and i didn't see anybody so you didn't link is in

04:01:08.020 did you look on the video to see that entire okay that's what i'm asking so you did not

04:01:17.040 review the video to see if there was someone between you that individual jumping off and you

04:01:22.020 coming on if anybody had been on or disturbed that scene in any way okay but once you put the

04:01:27.560 tape up you're then we're confident from that point on the scene was preserved right um by the

04:01:34.400 where did you get that tape officers responded on the scene that he was down

04:01:39.440 on the bottom threw it up to me so okay so you didn't have it on you no and you

04:01:45.020 didn't leave the scene to go get it no someone threw it up yes great

04:01:54.280 all right

04:01:57.400 while you were on the roof did you encounter any spent casings as a matter of fact no that's why

04:02:05.520 when i i saw the prone position where the person would be laying down a sniper uh oh guys by the

04:02:11.280 way um for twitter chat i made it where everyone can comment my bad i think i had it on verified 0.97

04:02:16.060 only before so all you and on fucking losers can comment in there too so feel free to jump 0.98

04:02:23.100 to chat faggots being around guns and snipers all the time i was looking for a spent shell casing i 1.00

04:02:27.980 couldn't see one i was looking over the edge looking all over the place making sure the gravel 0.99

04:02:31.420 wasn't disturbed and i couldn't find a shell casing at that moment and that would be the reason

04:02:35.780 you would be looking for that was because some types of guns when they shoot eject a casing

04:02:40.960 automatically right some do some don't yes all right um and then you also didn't find any

04:02:47.400 unshot bullets? No. Okay.

04:02:51.600 Are you aware of there being a bullet found on another roof?

04:02:55.200 I'm not aware. In the vicinity? Were you aware of

04:02:58.860 another bullet being found on the scene, not on the roof of the Losey building? I know.

04:03:05.840 Alright, your body

04:03:06.900 cam footage that I reviewed appears to end

04:03:10.440 while you're still on the roof. Do you know why that is?

04:03:14.980 I think the battery went dead. It was just right at that moment.

04:03:17.400 Okay. And do you know, did you ever turn it back on that day or go get it, I don't know, what do you have to do, charge it or stick a new battery in it? I don't even know.

04:03:27.440 Usually dock it, but no, I didn't go back. I was too, it was too chaotic running around.

04:03:32.240 So that 27 minute and 35 second body cam that starts when you're at the Hall of Flags and ends while you're still on the roof, but haven't put the crime tape up yet, that's the only body cam you have that day?

04:03:46.000 Yes.

04:03:47.400 You mentioned when you went to the police department, you watched the video where you saw an individual up on the roof, right?

04:04:00.800 And that individual was in the vicinity where you saw the disturbance in the gravel.

04:04:05.460 Yes.

04:04:08.440 And when you looked at that video, were you able to identify the individual's face?

04:04:14.020 I know.

04:04:14.300 Were you able to identify any markings on their clothing?

04:04:18.340 No.

04:04:19.260 Were you able to identify their height?

04:04:22.360 No.

04:04:23.400 When you all, when we looked at the picture of the, I think you called it the sniper perch,

04:04:30.460 so I'm going to use your words, it looked like there was a measuring tape laid out next to it.

04:04:36.140 Did you ever, were you present when they measured, like, the distance, like how long,

04:04:40.400 how tall that person would have been?

04:04:41.860 I was not.

04:04:42.980 So you don't know what that is?

04:04:44.360 I don't.

04:04:47.760 Were you able to tell the person's weight from the video that you saw?

04:04:51.920 I can tell he wasn't heavy set.

04:04:54.180 Okay.

04:04:54.500 More of a skinnier person.

04:04:57.540 Could you identify what shoes they were wearing?

04:05:01.040 I could not.

04:05:01.600 Could you identify anything about a hat or what was on their head?

04:05:06.480 At the moment, no, I couldn't.

04:05:08.180 Okay.

04:05:08.360 and did you see a gun in the video i saw a long black object in the left hand as he was running

04:05:21.680 over across the roof and in fact did you describe that in your report as a bag i don't know i have

04:05:28.080 no idea i don't know why all right let's pull that report back up please

04:05:34.020 and what she's referring to guys is the video um which i'll show you guys quickly here um

04:05:48.700 hold on

04:05:55.780 i'll show you guys it real fast um it was uh yeah there we go tyler

04:06:01.740 bob and some roof

04:06:04.300 I'll just have this just saved

04:06:06.520 so you guys can look at it

04:06:08.960 you guys can see

04:06:17.560 there he is right there

04:06:27.600 oh

04:06:28.040 never mind

04:06:28.720 I don't think you mentioned what you saw

04:06:30.420 So in your report, let's do pull that back up, please, page five on the Bagley one.

04:06:39.860 So looking at the second page, you're actually going to have to go to page six, I think.

04:06:47.300 You talk about what you saw in the video where they jumped off the roof.

04:06:52.940 And again, I'm going to remind you of our conversation we had before about you understand how important these reports are.

04:06:58.820 And do you mention anywhere in this report that you saw a gun?

04:07:05.560 I did not. I just had an object.

04:07:07.200 Did you mention that you saw that object? Is that on here?

04:07:12.760 No.

04:07:13.580 Okay, so you left that out.

04:07:16.120 Now have you looked at that over and over again?

04:07:19.500 The video? No, I've only seen it twice.

04:07:22.160 Oh, really? When's the last time you saw it?

04:07:24.380 It's been months.

04:07:25.100 Okay. The last time you saw it, were you able to tell what that object was in his hand?

04:07:31.500 Yes. Well, not tell what it is. I can see there's an object in that left hand, yes.

04:07:35.180 And could you, knowing what you know about the case today, do you have an idea about what that object was?

04:07:40.640 It looks like a rifle or something to that effect along.

04:07:44.080 Here, let's go ahead and go through it.

04:07:46.780 So here he is running.

04:07:51.420 I'm going to give you guys full screen here. Let me get my face out the way so y'all can see it.

04:07:55.100 in full. Hold on. Rewind a little bit.

04:08:08.840 See, I placed something down. It looks like something is draped over something that's rigid

04:08:13.060 or stiff. He grabs it again. Jumps down.

04:08:18.260 adjusts it

04:08:21.920 and then uh takes off

04:08:25.540 but this is the video that she's uh that the uh defense attorney is referring to

04:08:44.400 long object it looks like a rifle like a long object like skinny long you can see it's like

04:08:54.400 almost like it's covered over something so you saw the cover which was the towel right yes and

04:09:00.080 the shape of it is long okay so you can see a towel but you can't see an act i don't know if

04:09:05.760 it was a towel or blanket i don't know what it was but you can't see an actual gun no like an object

04:09:11.600 like a form of a gun, like a long object.

04:09:14.500 Okay.

04:09:19.740 All right. 0.98

04:09:25.480 She's running out of steam.

04:09:27.660 At the end of that day, what time did you leave the campus?

04:09:32.480 It was probably like 9 o'clock that night, maybe somewhere around there.

04:09:35.800 And did you come back the next morning and work some more?

04:09:38.540 I came back the next morning, yes.

04:09:39.940 and you worked all day the next day uh on and off when you left at 9 p.m did you or anyone else

04:09:48.220 know who the shooter was on that day i know not that i know and when i mean he's just a campus

04:09:53.720 cop at the time they're not going to know anything at that point it was the case was had been handed

04:09:57.520 over to um the state bureau investigation uh part of the state police and fbi and etf at that point

04:10:04.560 this guy he he had no oversight of the investigation whatsoever you came back the

04:10:11.540 next morning and worked that afternoon all that day did you anybody you or anybody on that campus

04:10:16.760 know who the shooter was uh not that i know of yeah patrolmen are not going to be privy to that

04:10:21.740 at all like once he put out that crime tape investor comes in and takes over it's over dude

04:10:30.680 they're like you know honestly they could tell they could have even told like the the campus 0.93

04:10:37.200 police like fuck off because i'm sure this campus this campus police department probably had like 0.84

04:10:40.500 a couple detectives they could have even told them like we're not going to share anything with 1.00

04:10:44.200 you guys it's our case now so you know and that's a detective from his police department

04:10:50.280 let alone a patrolman he's not going to know anything dude once that crime scene tape goes

04:10:55.140 off they check out okay so nothing that you found that day or anyone else to your knowledge

04:11:04.920 on campus was able to identify who the shooter was and that they know right well during the time

04:11:12.460 I was there now that I knew I just want to talk to you about that giant picture that was showed

04:11:17.800 to you. Do you know, exhibit 35, I think? Yes, it's exhibit 35. Do you know who took that picture,

04:11:26.400 where it came from? I do not. Do you know how old it is? I have no idea. Okay.

04:11:36.700 And the pictures you were shown, exhibits one, two, and three, that you got up and kind of talked

04:11:41.760 about and showed all the buildings and everything. Do you have any knowledge about where those

04:11:45.480 pictures came from? Yes, they were drone footage just taken from a drone. Do you know who was

04:11:50.860 operating the drone? Sergeant Ken Nelson from Provo Police Department. Provo Police Department.

04:11:55.440 Had you seen those pictures before today? Before today, yes. When did you see them? A couple weeks

04:12:01.840 ago. And that was just in preparation for testifying? Yes. Prior to that, had you ever seen those

04:12:07.160 pictures? Can I have the court's indulgence for just a moment, Your Honor? You may, Mr.

04:12:24.240 got some big news in the middle east guys that just dropped uh i'll talk about it

04:12:36.280 during the next break

04:12:37.440 one last uh thing i want to clarify we heard you testify that

04:12:54.220 ms richards or i don't know if she's deputy richards she's a she's a state employee for 0.98

04:12:58.980 the frenzy lab so ms richards um she which is common um you know local police departments

04:13:05.420 typically don't have like you know crime labs so what ended up happening is like you know the

04:13:09.820 state will come in and give assistance because the state police labs are always very good hell

04:13:13.740 i used the dps lab all the time when i was an agent in texas he is the one who took those night

04:13:17.880 the Texas DPS lab time pictures of this stuff on the roof yes and it you testified that she told

04:13:24.380 you that that was what they looked like that day yes when did you meet with her I talked to her on

04:13:30.140 the phone it was several weeks ago in preparation for the trial so prior to a couple weeks ago you

04:13:35.100 never discussed those pictures because I'd never seen them oh so a couple weeks goes the first time

04:13:39.860 you saw them all right and did you write any kind of supplement to your report to add on to your

04:13:46.900 report other than what we've gone through today that one report you wrote have you ever written

04:13:51.240 another one i have not okay that's all i have thank god i tender the witness thank you miss

04:13:56.820 okay um now we're going to get the second witness i think this next witness is going to be a lot

04:14:01.340 better this is probably going to be one of the um one of the case agents so let's see who the

04:14:06.140 who the prosecutor is going to call mr grunander redirect just one question i believe judge all

04:14:12.500 Okay, so yeah, the prosecutor's going to do a redirect.

04:14:19.040 He's going to come in and clarify anything that the defense attorney might have, you know, was able to get him to trip up on, which honestly, it wasn't much.

04:14:27.220 Officer Bagley, if we could pull up State's Exhibit 1.

04:14:29.740 But like, witnesses like this are like, you know, he's just a patrolman.

04:14:34.240 What are you going to argue with him about?

04:14:35.800 The layout of the campus?

04:14:37.280 Where the buildings are located?

04:14:39.500 What he saw as a first responder?

04:14:42.400 Can't really, like, grill these guys that much.

04:14:44.800 Let's do that.

04:14:53.060 You've talked about this handgun holster that you observed on the grass in the courtyard.

04:15:00.380 I'm going to ask you if you would approach the monitor when it comes up

04:15:04.660 and point out as best you can where you observed that holster, okay?

04:15:11.980 your voice and that's where i could see straight up where oh finally nice sight was okay thank

04:15:35.320 you nothing further judge all right all right may this witness be excused yes your honor yes

04:15:41.980 he's like thank god get me out of here

04:15:44.760 just for the benefit of those in attendance that you may have noticed i drink some water please

04:15:54.600 if you have water and what's been previously approved don't hesitate yours you can drink

04:15:58.040 just don't spill it um and let's go to the states uh ready to proceed with your next witness thank

04:16:03.240 you judge this day calls david hull all right all right david hull is the uh second witness

04:16:09.780 I'll turn to Jutu back on here in a little bit.

04:16:13.000 Would you like to come forward and be sworn in?

04:16:16.540 You just always pray that the testimony you shall give

04:16:17.920 in the case now pending before the court

04:16:18.860 will be the truth, the whole truth,

04:16:19.940 and nothing but the truth, so help you God.

04:16:21.620 All right, if you'd like to be seated right here.

04:16:23.820 I'm speeding it up, guys,

04:16:24.820 so we can catch up to the live.

04:16:26.180 And once you're situated,

04:16:27.140 there's a bottle of water to your left.

04:16:29.100 And if you wouldn't mind, after you're seated,

04:16:30.680 bringing that microphone closer to you

04:16:32.000 so it picks up your voice.

04:16:35.100 All right, counsel, I'm going to be ready.

04:16:38.200 Good afternoon.

04:16:38.820 afternoon uh would you please state your full name and spell your last david hall h-u-l-l

04:16:42.340 and are you employed i am yes who are you employed by i'm employed by the department of public safety

04:16:46.420 okay department of public safety how long have you worked for the department of public safety

04:16:49.300 i'm in my 12th year are you uh are you a peace officer i am yes are you post certified i am yes

04:16:54.260 when did you receive your certification uh 2015. and since that okay so he's he's a sworn law

04:16:59.300 enforcement officer time as your certification remain intact in other words has it lapsed or

04:17:02.820 been taken away or anything like that no it's been continuous you uh you said you're in your

04:17:07.860 your 12th year did you already say that you're 12th year with the dps uh have you worked for any

04:17:11.380 other law enforcement agency besides the dps no just the state of utah okay so he basically works

04:17:15.600 for the department of public safety state police what is your current assignment with the public

04:17:19.220 safety currently positioned as an investigative sergeant at peace officer stands in training

04:17:22.000 was that all right peace what is your current assignment with the public safety currently

04:17:27.660 positioned as an investigative sergeant at peace officer stands in training okay a peace officer

04:17:31.380 uh investigator sergeant okay was that your assignment in september of 2025 no it was not

04:17:36.580 What was your assignment then?

04:17:37.920 I was under the State Bureau of Investigations.

04:17:40.400 Okay, he was with SBI back then.

04:17:42.480 Major Crimes Division is an investigator.

04:17:43.800 Okay, Major Crimes Division.

04:17:45.060 I told you guys it was Major Crimes that is running this.

04:17:47.300 For those of you guys that don't know, SBI is the state version for Utah.

04:17:52.380 Okay?

04:17:53.300 That is their state police.

04:17:56.340 Well, it's a component of the state police that does investigations like this,

04:18:00.520 Major Crimes.

04:18:01.740 So that's why he was a special agent with SBI.

04:18:04.680 Is SBI an acronym that's commonly used to describe the State Bureau of Investigation?

04:18:10.180 It is, yes.

04:18:10.640 I can refer to it as the SBI, and we're all on the same page, right?

04:18:12.340 Yep.

04:18:12.740 Okay. How long were you with the SBI?

04:18:15.640 A little over seven years.

04:18:17.140 And what exactly did you do? What was your assignment with the SBI?

04:18:20.240 I spent just under a year in the Alcohol Bureau and the undercover unit,

04:18:23.940 and then the remainder of that time was with major crimes.

04:18:25.740 Major crimes. What did that entail?

04:18:28.140 Predominantly investigating crimes that are considered to be major in nature.

04:18:32.120 Predominantly violent crime, including homicide, sexual assault.

04:18:34.680 In some cases, fraud cases kind of covered a whole gambit of things, but predominantly violent crime.

04:18:40.600 Basically, sexy cases that prosecutors want to take.

04:18:44.420 And throughout your career with the DPS, have you done any training related to murder investigations specifically?

04:18:49.560 Yes, I have.

04:18:50.140 And could you just briefly describe what that specific training entailed?

04:18:52.980 I've done internal and external courses around lead homicide investigation, officer-involved critical incidents,

04:19:00.860 child deaths and unexplained deaths in children, aquatic homicide.

04:19:04.680 and then just continuing investigations related.

04:19:06.920 This guy has like an Aussie accent, Chad.

04:19:08.960 To homicide itself. 1.00

04:19:10.380 And throughout your career with DPS,

04:19:11.900 have you either played a role in or led a homicide investigation?

04:19:16.320 I have, yes.

04:19:17.020 How many do you think?

04:19:19.180 Either directly or indirectly.

04:19:20.180 I've probably been involved in approximately 40 or so.

04:19:22.280 Yeah, so basically, you know,

04:19:25.640 so as you guys can see the trend here,

04:19:28.640 what they're doing is they're introducing the witness

04:19:31.020 and showing how the witness is credible and reliable

04:19:33.540 and is an expert in what they're about to talk about,

04:19:36.360 which in this case is a murder investigation.

04:19:38.120 That's why he's asking these questions.

04:19:39.640 Is that throughout the state of Utah?

04:19:40.720 Yes, we assist throughout the state of Utah.

04:19:43.860 Were you working September 10th of 2025?

04:19:45.880 I was, yes.

04:19:46.960 And did you work shifts?

04:19:49.320 Did you work a certain shift that day, or how does it work with the SBI?

04:19:52.040 Kind of worked 24-7, 365, but predominantly Monday through Thursday, office hours.

04:19:56.780 On that date, were you asked to respond to the campus of Utah Valley University?

04:19:59.440 Yeah, the same thing with special aides.

04:20:00.680 It's like you work whenever because, you know, you're an investigator,

04:20:03.820 so you're working all types of weird hours.

04:20:06.500 I was, yeah.

04:20:07.280 I was at the office in Taylorsville when I was asked to respond down to Utah Valley University.

04:20:10.840 Okay.

04:20:11.060 And what did you understand was going on at UVU that day?

04:20:13.580 I didn't know much.

04:20:14.620 I had been told that there was some kind of an event and an individual had been shot.

04:20:17.760 Did you have a name?

04:20:18.980 Someone had told me that Charlie Kirk had been shot.

04:20:21.400 At that point in time, were you familiar with Charlie Kirk?

04:20:23.040 I was not, no.

04:20:23.860 Okay.

04:20:24.280 Did you end up responding?

04:20:25.020 So when you found out that there was an event that it was Charlie Kirk that had been shot,

04:20:27.900 that was while you were still up in Taylorsville at your office?

04:20:30.240 Yes, we hadn't been asked to respond at that point.

04:20:32.500 Another agent in the office showed me a video of the shooting,

04:20:34.520 and I went back to work because we hadn't been asked to respond at that point.

04:20:37.440 At some point, though, were you asked to respond or directed to respond to Utah Valley?

04:20:40.380 Yes, we were.

04:20:40.840 We were asked to make our way down to the university to provide any kind of assistance that was needed.

04:20:44.080 Do you recall who directed you to come down to Utah Valley?

04:20:46.380 I believe it was Lieutenant Jensen.

04:20:49.120 And is that something responding to a scene like this, on a report like that,

04:20:54.260 is that something that's done frequently within the SBI?

04:20:57.460 Yeah, SBI functions as a supplementary investigative division for really anybody in the state who needs it,

04:21:02.520 whether it's a smaller local agency that just needs additional resources.

04:21:05.260 We often respond with the crime lab to help process crime scenes,

04:21:07.840 but it would be normal for us to be called out to assist another agency.

04:21:10.400 Okay, so we understand correctly.

04:21:11.540 When you were first directed to come down to Utah Valley,

04:21:13.900 you were just coming down to give whatever help you could provide?

04:21:16.480 Correct.

04:21:16.980 Okay. That eventually changed?

04:21:18.840 Yes. My assumption was we were responding to assist process a crime scene, essentially.

04:21:22.440 Prior to September 10th, 2025, how familiar were you with the Utah Valley University campus?

04:21:28.100 Not very. I think I maybe had been there once before.

04:21:30.700 How about from September 10th onward? Did you become more familiar with the campus?

04:21:33.300 Became a lot more familiar with the campus, yes.

04:21:34.580 And in what way or how?

04:21:36.740 Both in walking the campus and looking at the incident scene, in viewing surveillance video of the campus and the surrounding areas,

04:21:43.680 and just my general involvement in the investigation.

04:21:45.280 I became a lot more familiar with the buildings, the amphitheater, and the surrounding area, and the campus itself.

04:21:50.480 We'll come back to that here in a moment.

04:21:51.880 Who else responded to UVU from the SBA?

04:21:56.100 Originally, I thought it was just myself and a couple of others.

04:21:58.940 I remember Sergeant Falmina, Sergeant Bricker, Sergeant L. Schultz, Sergeant Clark,

04:22:04.840 Agent Brian Davis, and a number of other agents were arriving or were on scene when I arrived there.

04:22:10.520 Do you recall if other law enforcement agencies responded that same day?

04:22:14.500 Yes, there was a large law enforcement presence.

04:22:16.740 Federal entities, I believe the FBI, the DEA, ATF, I think some U.S. marshals.

04:22:22.280 There was obviously our state presence, and then there was county and city and local agencies on scene also.

04:22:26.280 Everybody was there, bro.

04:22:27.080 So have all these folks responded by the time you got here, or have they responded prior to?

04:22:30.300 Some could have been on scene prior to.

04:22:31.680 Some were arriving while I was arriving.

04:22:32.980 Others arrived later.

04:22:34.220 I know there were several forensic units from various entities, including the state crime lab and other agencies.

04:22:39.480 And did you interact with all these different agencies, you personally?

04:22:43.160 Throughout the course of the following few days, probably the majority of them, yes.

04:22:46.620 I think you related that originally the SBI was directed to come down just to see if you could help.

04:22:51.400 Is that fair to say?

04:22:52.380 Yeah, that was all I knew when I left the office was to go down and see what services, what can you do to help.

04:22:56.560 And I asked you earlier if that role changed, and I believe you said it did.

04:22:59.180 So let's talk about that.

04:23:00.120 How did your role change from what you initially came down to do to whatever it evolved into?

04:23:03.800 Having been on scene for a little while, there were some conversations and discussions that took place,

04:23:06.660 and I was informed by my lieutenant that myself and Agent Davis would be taking

04:23:11.640 lead on the investigation on behalf of the State Bureau of Investigations. So the

04:23:15.100 SBI was going to be the lead investigative agency? Correct. And you were

04:23:18.120 going to be the lead case agent? Yes sir. Along with Agent Davis? Okay. What does it

04:23:25.420 mean to be the lead investigator or the lead case agent? It depends on the

04:23:29.180 situation but predominantly you're responsible for kind of directing the

04:23:33.120 investigation coordinating information that is coming in typically seems a

04:23:36.840 fairly chaotic initially so you're trying to process as much information as

04:23:39.540 possible and make as much use of the available resources that you have kind

04:23:43.020 of an organizational role would probably be a good way to describe it so you you

04:23:45.900 played an active role in organizing in coordination with with the

04:23:49.640 administrations of all of the agencies that were on scene we were trying to

04:23:51.840 coordinate efforts and and get to put an information as quickly as possible do

04:23:55.140 recall whether assignments were made at least with the SBI agents that responded

04:23:58.200 with you yeah we have a core group within major crimes that were assigned

04:24:01.360 specific tasks. And do they include the agents that you mentioned just a minute ago? Yes, I believe so.

04:24:05.460 So each one of those agents with the SPI were given a specific assignment? Yes, with the information

04:24:09.100 we had, the agents were assigned to do specific things. And do you remember specifically what assignments

04:24:13.020 were given to who? Yes, Sergeant Faumina was asked to coordinate with the

04:24:17.220 State Crime Lab and the responding crime scene techs to manage and process any identified

04:24:21.280 crime scenes. Sergeant Mark Bricker was put in touch with UVU's

04:24:25.520 surveillance and operations team to start working through any available footage

04:24:29.300 or information that we had that had been recorded.

04:24:31.620 Sergeant Clark was tasked with the area canvas

04:24:35.500 around the campus area, looking for information.

04:24:38.720 Nightmare, thank you.

04:24:39.380 And I'll explain more of this for you guys.

04:24:40.620 I just don't want to interrupt too much.

04:24:41.660 I'll explain more of this for you guys later.

04:24:43.040 ...or any available information

04:24:44.120 from the immediate area around campus.

04:24:46.940 Sergeant L. Schultz was working with the SIAC

04:24:49.780 and other administration to try and manage

04:24:51.820 the flow of information that had started to occur.

04:24:54.060 You said that initially when you showed up,

04:24:55.820 things were a bit chaotic.

04:24:57.080 Yes.

04:24:57.420 Did that have something to do

04:24:58.280 with all the different agencies that had responded yes and i think initially there was still some

04:25:02.520 uncertainty as to whether we were we were working with an active an active shooter or or an active

04:25:06.520 crime scene the campus is spread over a large area and so so getting that um deemed to be safe is

04:25:11.160 quite a process and involved a lot of people yeah securing the area what it was a nightmare

04:25:15.080 so they had to do that first before they can actually collect any evidence seriously gotcha

04:25:19.480 do you know if the the campus was um deemed safe eventually eventually my understanding is the

04:25:25.240 campus was locked down and secured and we were able to start getting people in

04:25:28.360 to start processing crime scenes and doing additional things okay you said

04:25:32.140 it sounds like that chaos eventually subsided you got organized and

04:25:35.080 assignments were made what was the first thing that you did as lead

04:25:38.500 investigator I kind of became organized chaos but but we did have a plan and our

04:25:41.920 priority was determining whether we had an ability or a way to be able to

04:25:44.840 identify who had been involved in the shooting that was our that was our

04:25:48.700 primary focus at that time did that include collecting information that was

04:25:51.120 becoming available yes we were getting a large volume of information from the

04:25:54.220 general public phone tips people sending videos analysts were scrolling through

04:25:59.260 social media and social sites as people were posting information onto the

04:26:01.660 internet so there was a lot of information coming in a lot of things

04:26:05.920 that needed to be processed through and worked okay we're videos coming in yes

04:26:08.800 cell phone videos were coming in if you imagine there's 3,000 people on event

04:26:12.900 and everybody has a cell phone it was a lot of information that people were

04:26:14.860 willing to share with us right did you know whether you or someone else with

04:26:18.220 the SBI collected or received a video from an Amanda Wright yes yeah I know a

04:26:22.240 A cell phone video was collected from Amanda Wright.

04:26:24.040 Or Amber Wright.

04:26:25.660 Oh, I'm sorry, Amber.

04:26:26.840 Well, you tell me, Amanda or Amber?

04:26:29.340 Amber.

04:26:29.680 Okay, I apologize for that wrong first name.

04:26:32.520 Do you know who or how that video was collected?

04:26:35.040 Yeah, I spoke with Ms. Wright directly on the phone to arrange a time to go and collect that video.

04:26:38.080 Unfortunately, she wasn't available that day, but Agent Davis was able to go and meet with her directly and collect the video.

04:26:43.440 Do you recall that you actually spoke to Ms. Wright?

04:26:45.900 If I can refresh my recollection, I specifically...

04:26:48.620 Sure, let me ask you this before you do that.

04:26:49.740 Yes, sir.

04:26:49.920 So you have in front of you, what, your police report?

04:26:52.540 I have some notes and a timeline for my investigation that was part of discovery.

04:26:55.280 And referencing that timeline or those notes, will they help you recall the date that you called Ms. Wright?

04:27:00.740 They will, yes.

04:27:01.380 Okay.

04:27:01.880 Why don't you go ahead and refer to that?

04:27:02.800 Don't read from it out loud.

04:27:03.520 Just take a minute.

04:27:04.200 Let me know when you've come across that information and once you've refreshed your memory.

04:27:07.340 Yeah, I always would bring my report with me as well, you know, to be as accurate as I can be.

04:27:13.160 Your Honor, when he's done, may I take a look at the materials as well, please?

04:27:16.180 You may.

04:27:17.880 Ms. Wright was contacted on April 7th.

04:27:19.840 Did you want to?

04:27:20.420 All right.

04:27:22.420 Ms. Nester, would you like to come forward?

04:27:24.420 May I approach, Your Honor?

04:27:50.420 fast forward just a little bit being your the lectrum to my right your right yes it just appears

04:27:56.840 when the camera's uh focused on you uh just the way it's positioned it's you're you're in front

04:28:01.920 of the witness and we just want to make sure that yeah it's not gonna go that far i think that that

04:28:06.060 is sufficient so all right thank you that's a lot better are we still connected w judge all right

04:28:11.860 let's make sure that mr sturgill is picked up w judge thank you get out the way prosecutor and if

04:28:16.620 If I can make a correction to that, I think.

04:28:18.520 Well, let me ask you this first.

04:28:19.720 So he needs to ask you a question.

04:28:21.040 So Mr. Sergio.

04:28:22.000 So you've had a moment to look at your notes?

04:28:24.240 Did that help you remember the date that you contacted Ms. Wright?

04:28:26.020 It did, yes.

04:28:26.660 Okay.

04:28:27.540 Why don't you go ahead and tell us what date you contacted Ms. Wright?

04:28:29.500 I contacted her, I think it was April 6th specifically, but Agent Davis met with her on April 7th.

04:28:34.160 Okay.

04:28:34.620 Well, that was going to be the next question.

04:28:35.580 So you actually talked to her on the, was it on the phone?

04:28:37.020 It was, yes.

04:28:37.540 And did you arrange a time for either you or Agent Davis to go get the video from Ms. Wright?

04:28:41.020 Yes.

04:28:41.260 Is that how it happened?

04:28:41.740 Yes.

04:28:41.920 and then you didn't go it was agent davis that went correct okay gotcha

04:28:47.760 and so what if anything has been done with that video in preparation for today um my understanding

04:28:52.800 is that some uh edits were made by your office in order to protect some of the participants in

04:28:56.080 the video okay but what um let me ask you this did you or agent davis visit with miss wright again

04:29:02.480 yes that was in april and that was um where my correction was uh the video was originally

04:29:07.120 provided to agent mortenson okay so i miss i misspoke okay let's just let's let's go back

04:29:11.040 and let's make sure this is very clear sure okay so um someone with the sbi collect i slowed the

04:29:15.280 speed down to 1.25 guys i did a video yes from from uh amber wright yes agent monson contacted

04:29:21.920 miss wright on october 8th and a video was provided to him electronically on october 11th

04:29:26.160 okay and um now i'll ask the next question what if anything has been done either by you or another

04:29:32.800 agent with that same video in preparation for today's hearing we contacted miss wright to

04:29:37.600 arrange a meeting so that Ms. Wright could review the video and that we could verify firsthand with

04:29:42.160 her that the video was what she had taken on September 10th at the event at UVU. Okay and

04:29:47.040 who had that follow-up visit with Ms. Wright? That was Agent Davis. I was not able to attend. Okay and

04:29:51.440 you know that happened because you spoke to Agent Davis? I spoke to Agent Davis and he provided me

04:29:55.520 with a written statement um that Ms. Wright had completed. Okay. In 1102. Okay and so you you have

04:30:01.360 you have seen that written statement? I have yes. And you've read through it? I have. Does that um

04:30:06.400 Do you recall whether that statement was on a form or a piece of scratch paper?

04:30:10.360 What do you recall?

04:30:11.300 My recollection is that it was on an official, I believe, a State Bureau 1102 statement,

04:30:15.520 which is a written form that is filled out by a witness that contains the 1102 warning.

04:30:21.200 And by that, do you mean the advisory that the statement that's written on that piece of paper

04:30:24.820 is going to be used at a preliminary hearing?

04:30:26.260 Yes.

04:30:26.620 It includes that advisory.

04:30:28.400 Yes.

04:30:28.640 Does it also include a warning that if someone provides a false statement, in this case Ms. Wright,

04:30:33.640 that it could be punishable by a class A missionary?

04:30:35.620 it does yes all right so it seems to me like this woman uh right um last name right uh probably

04:30:52.020 provided you know probably some of the best um footage of the shooting um and what do you recall

04:31:00.060 is the essence of that written statement for miss right i mean what what does it basically

04:31:04.040 Object, Your Honor. At this point, we want to assert our standing objection to the constitutionality of allowing in Ms. Wright's statement when she is not here present in court to be cross-examined.

04:31:17.020 We did include those constitutional arguments in our standing objection.

04:31:21.280 Also, this does fall under the type of document that should be safeguarded under Rule 4-202.02-8.

04:31:31.560 i knew that was coming dude as soon as he started talking about her sworn statement i was like i 0.96

04:31:35.860 hope they have her in court and they don't knew she was gonna object to that shit erin f as in 0.83

04:31:42.420 frank um and and or should be classified as protected under subsection five o as in orange 0.90

04:31:49.700 um because the disclosure could jeopardize the life safety or property of the witness it's also

04:31:54.780 technically um of victims um i mean if she's present under the current theory and the

04:32:00.680 information she's technically could be classified as a victim of the event um so it also should be

04:32:07.740 protected under that um so we would object to it being read in public it would not be admissible

04:32:12.160 a trial in the current format that it is due to its hearsay nature um we do think yeah but this 0.98

04:32:16.300 is a prelim hearing man this lady is really grasping at straws here preliminary hearing

04:32:21.360 is just for probable cause hearsay is absolutely allowed that's why he's bringing in all these law

04:32:26.440 enforcement guys because the law enforcement guys know the totality of the case and they can like

04:32:30.500 tell you when i did this interview i got this whatever this is what other law enforcement

04:32:34.660 officers told me hearsay guys evidence is stuff that you get from other people that's why he

04:32:39.700 brought in law enforcement guys because they have all the facts of the case they're the best witnesses

04:32:42.840 for preliminary hearings would negatively impact our client's right to a fair trial and furthermore

04:32:48.680 I believe the witness herself has requested that, particularly because the video. 0.99

04:32:53.560 Oh, what the fuck? 0.99

04:32:54.740 Sorry, chat. 1.00

04:32:55.640 Let me.

04:32:58.820 Oh, gosh.

04:33:00.160 Coming in, I think would still fall under the protection.

04:33:04.100 And so for all those reasons, we would object to that coming out in public and being discussed in the public forum and being published in any way.

04:33:12.740 And we object to it coming in.

04:33:13.960 All right. So if you wouldn't mind just restating the rule that you're relying upon so I can fully look at your objection.

04:33:24.320 It's the UCJA, the Utah, oh gosh, Code of Judicial Administration, I just blanked.

04:33:36.060 The Utah Code of Judicial Administration for Rule 4-202.02, parenthetical 8, parenthetical F, as in Frank, and or parenthetical 5, and parenthetical capital O.

04:33:56.100 All right. Thank you. I'm just getting there. I want to review this before I hear from Mr. Sturgill.

04:34:06.060 All right, I've reviewed that.

04:34:17.420 Mr. Sergill.

04:34:21.220 Let me address, I guess, a couple of things.

04:34:25.140 Ms. Nestor actually brought up, I think, both the 1102 statement that we intend to introduce

04:34:30.160 and sort of referred to the video.

04:34:33.600 So let me address each of those one at a time.

04:34:36.060 With regards to the 1102 statement that was prepared by Ms. Wright,

04:34:40.200 Judge, it was gathered in compliance with the Utah Rules of Evidence, 1102,

04:34:44.600 specifically subsection B-8.

04:34:49.700 It's a statement that was gathered by an SBI agent.

04:34:53.640 It was prepared with knowledge of the advisory

04:34:57.020 that it was going to be used at the preliminary hearing,

04:34:59.220 and it also included the warning that if a false statement is given,

04:35:03.720 it's going to be a class A misdemeanor.

04:35:07.060 Judge, I don't know what additional foundation you'd like.

04:35:13.580 Well, that's kind of where I was going, Judge,

04:35:15.800 is I was trying to lay a little bit more foundation just to introduce that statement alone.

04:35:19.760 I haven't got yet to the video.

04:35:21.520 But with regards to the 1102 statement, it has been collected in compliance with Rule 1102.

04:35:28.820 As I stated, B3 or B8.

04:35:30.820 and as we all know

04:35:34.180 Rule 1102 allows

04:35:36.160 reliable hearsay

04:35:37.180 as does the State Constitution

04:35:39.980 Article 1, Section 12

04:35:41.900 So what exhibit

04:35:44.280 will this be? I want to look

04:35:46.220 at it not for the purposes of

04:35:48.320 as a magistrate

04:35:50.300 taking it into evidence but see if it

04:35:52.140 comports with Rule 1102

04:35:53.840 as stated because I haven't seen

04:35:56.280 it and I haven't done the analysis

04:35:58.560 to see if that

04:35:59.940 objection is

04:36:01.360 State's Exhibit 6.1.

04:36:15.540 Your Honor,

04:36:16.340 just for the record,

04:36:18.060 we just want to make a record, too, that

04:36:20.020 it's difficult for the court to make a reliability

04:36:22.360 finding when the individual

04:36:24.120 is not here to be tested and cross-examined

04:36:26.380 and for those same reasons

04:36:27.800 that we list in our standing objection.

04:36:31.240 We just want to reiterate to the court

04:36:32.780 that we think it really hampers you

04:36:34.520 from making that reliability determination.

04:36:37.140 Thank you.

04:36:39.220 Anything further, Mr. Sturgill?

04:36:41.760 Well, just that 1102 doesn't require that, Judge.

04:36:44.640 It doesn't require that the witness be here

04:36:46.180 to corroborate the statement that they've already prepared.

04:36:50.580 All right.

04:36:50.940 All right, I've had a chance to review State's Exhibit 6.1, taking into note what Ms. Nester noted, UCJA 4-202.02, in referencing the section she did.

04:37:15.460 And Judge, I don't mean to interrupt, but I had not yet addressed that rule.

04:37:19.460 I would simply just add to that that that judicial rule, it does nothing to do with admissibility.

04:37:23.460 It's simply publishing it.

04:37:25.460 And I'm sorry.

04:37:27.460 Okay, so let me just hear your full argument.

04:37:29.460 Yeah, I didn't realize you wanted to hear all of that.

04:37:31.460 I thought you were going to rule on the 1102.

04:37:33.460 Well, I want to focus on the 1102.

04:37:35.460 I want to keep this clean.

04:37:36.460 So let's focus on the 1102, and then we'll stop there, and I can make my ruling.

04:37:40.460 my ruling and then uh if there's any objections i just need to take it one step at a time to be

04:37:45.500 thorough so i'll hear all your arguments about the the 1102 statement i'll return to miss nester

04:37:52.620 for any final thoughts and then i'll make my ruling and then we can move to the next i appreciate

04:37:56.940 that yeah defense is trying to do anything at this point um you know to try to hurt or well

04:38:01.900 try to stop the testimony here from the lead investigator judge and i think what i've i think

04:38:06.060 I think I have addressed the 1102 question.

04:38:10.220 As far as admissibility under Rule 1102,

04:38:13.500 I thought that's what you wanted to rule on first,

04:38:15.280 and then I would address the UCJA 4-202.02.

04:38:20.280 And if you want me to do that now, I can do that,

04:38:22.860 and it's just simply that it does,

04:38:24.000 has nothing to do with admissibility.

04:38:26.640 It has everything to do with publishing that,

04:38:29.020 and Judge, I think if you'll look at that written statement,

04:38:33.840 I believe Ms. Wright's personal information, for the most part, has been redacted.

04:38:41.040 Other than that, and beyond that, Judge, I'll leave it up to your discretion.

04:38:45.020 Well, as it relates to, well, let me take it one at a time.

04:38:48.800 Let's start with the last statement.

04:38:50.200 What I have in front of me, plaintiff's exhibit 6.1, has her full information here.

04:38:56.480 Address, phone number, social security number.

04:39:01.260 Okay, Judge, I apologize for that.

04:39:02.660 I thought we'd provided a redacted version of that.

04:39:06.720 Yeah.

04:39:22.980 I think I've clarified what's going on here.

04:39:25.780 I think we provided you with an unredacted version some time ago.

04:39:29.560 The version that we have and are prepared to present today is a redacted version.

04:39:33.920 Could I have a copy of what you're intending to admit into evidence so I can consider what's before me?

04:39:48.360 Judge, we can bring it up electronically.

04:39:50.080 We don't have a hard copy of that.

04:39:51.400 All right.

04:39:52.540 I want to make sure that's not coming on screen.

04:39:54.760 It's just coming on my screen to review it.

04:39:58.840 all right okay no and that's fine it's not it's just from my that I I can look

04:40:09.440 it on my screen because I'm trying to evaluate so if you just want to put it

04:40:12.320 back on my screen all right well so what I'm doing is I'm looking at this and

04:40:21.540 just for clarity moving forward if there is a particular exhibit I'll ask that

04:40:27.180 you provide it instead of me relying upon here just so there's no misunderstanding and and i can

04:40:34.300 see exactly what is being moved into evidence i don't want to assume right and i want to do the

04:40:38.700 proper analysis all right and i appreciate that judge and i apologize i i understood that we were

04:40:43.180 presenting redacted copies today and okay i think there's just been a little bit of glitch so i

04:40:47.500 apologize for that judge all right and and miss nester i just want to make sure that you're looking

04:40:51.660 at this exhibit as opposed to what I was just looking at in regards to your arguments.

04:40:56.860 With this clarification in mind, any update to your argument or anything that you would like the court to consider?

04:41:08.740 The only other issue I think that exists with this that I haven't already raised

04:41:14.040 is that there's clearly two different authors in the body of the document.

04:41:22.820 One wrote something on the very top line,

04:41:25.200 and then it looks like Ms. Wright wrote the rest of it,

04:41:29.600 which we don't have any indication of who wrote that top line

04:41:33.840 and when they filled that in, if it was before or after she signed the document.

04:41:37.400 So I have some concerns about authenticity with respect to that as well,

04:41:40.820 and that's all I have.

04:41:42.620 All right.

04:41:43.220 And as I'm determining it, it does appear that the writing is different.

04:41:46.380 Did you want to lay additional foundation, Mr. Sturgill, or provide information for the court?

04:41:50.580 I'd be happy to do that.

04:41:53.360 Do you have in front of you State's Exhibit 6.1?

04:41:58.180 I do, yes.

04:41:59.120 Okay.

04:41:59.680 You've heard the discussion that just took place.

04:42:01.560 It appears as if there's two different styles of writing on that form.

04:42:04.640 Yes.

04:42:05.260 Okay.

04:42:05.480 I imagine that you have the writing that includes the personal information from Ms. Wright,

04:42:11.480 and then directly below that I think there's a there's a line there that

04:42:15.440 appears to be arguably writing prepared by someone else is that in fact that is

04:42:23.180 that in fact accurate that there that is a different that's correct author of

04:42:28.340 that writing what do you know about that writing on that first line just below

04:42:32.240 statement of incident because we were asking this right to verify a specific

04:42:36.260 video. The file name for that video was written on the statement in her presence

04:42:40.880 and then that video with that file name was then shown to Ms. Wright to verify

04:42:45.260 that it was in fact the video that she had provided to us. Okay and so was it

04:42:49.820 you or or SBI agent Davis that prepared that? Based on the writing that appears

04:42:56.660 to be agent Davis's writing but it's not it's not my writing. All right but that

04:43:01.160 is the routine or is that kind of how you commonly do this? In this case because

04:43:05.960 we were specifically asking them to verify a specific digital file that had

04:43:11.020 a specific digital name and we didn't want there to be any errors in how that

04:43:16.140 name was presented we wrote the file name on the document for the individuals

04:43:21.340 all right anything further miss Nestor with that additional information before

04:43:25.940 the court makes its ruling your honor all right thank you into having you

04:43:33.260 Could you leave that on the screen for me, please?

04:43:35.080 I was just, I appreciate that.

04:43:37.700 And scroll down to the bottom.

04:43:39.360 I just want to review it one last time.

04:43:43.920 All right.

04:43:45.300 And I believe this is Exhibit 6.1.

04:43:48.140 Is that correct, Mr. Sturgill?

04:43:49.000 It is, Judge.

04:43:50.760 And I would move to admit 6.1.

04:43:53.280 Thank you.

04:43:53.700 So considering the arguments made by Ms. Nestor and Mr. Sturgill,

04:43:59.100 I rely upon Rule 1102 as well as Utah Constitutional Article I, Section 12, as I previously mentioned, that final paragraph, it states nothing in this Constitution shall preclude the use of reliable hearsay as defined by statute or rule in whole or in part at any preliminary examination to determine probable cause or at any pretrial proceeding with respect to release of the defendant if appropriate discoveries allowed.

04:44:29.100 As defined by statute or rule, I have examined this and the clarification was made.

04:44:34.580 The previous version of this would fall afoul of having identifiable personal information of Ms. Wright.

04:44:45.500 And so that was removed.

04:44:47.680 And this one with the redacted portion of the...

04:44:51.700 Guys, I'll explain what's going on here in a second.

04:44:53.880 Identifiable information, personal information for Ms. Wright is before me.

04:44:58.140 And based off that, State's Exhibit 6.1 with redactions is admitted into evidence and may be published.

04:45:07.600 Thank you, Judge.

04:45:13.960 Agent Hull, that statement that was prepared by Ms. Wright, what does it state with regards?

04:45:19.440 Okay.

04:45:20.600 Here's what's going down.

04:45:21.600 Let me boil this down for you guys real quick.

04:45:23.160 Right now, for all you guys, because we're live on TikTok and YouTube, I'll bring you guys up to speed very quickly here, okay?

04:45:28.140 basically here's what's going on the lead investigator for the sbi is on the stand this

04:45:35.000 is the case agent this is the guy that ran the investigation this is probably one of the most

04:45:38.240 important law enforcement witnesses for this investigation as lead agent you are responsible

04:45:42.660 for dealing with the prosecutors you're responsible for liaisoning with other agencies

04:45:46.100 you're responsible for writing the reports talking to uh key witnesses gathering evidence you are

04:45:51.140 the presenter of the case this case now i do think it's important that you guys understand

04:45:54.900 that the lead investigator is no longer with the sbi he went off and did a more cushy detail being

04:45:59.840 like a trainer so that should tell you that this case probably stressed him out he said i'm out of

04:46:03.120 here okay i thought that was very interesting that he's no longer um with the sbi major crimes unit

04:46:08.600 he left now with that said um the reason why and i i predict here what's going to happen is

04:46:14.960 the defense is going to grill him pretty hard and the other case agent very hard there's two guys on

04:46:18.980 it this guy was the lead and then obviously in the beginning of the investigation he probably

04:46:23.420 obviously left turned it over to the other guy he's the second lead and probably like the lead

04:46:27.800 at this point but at the when the case began when they arrived on scene they were supposed to go and

04:46:32.980 give some assistance they ended up taking a case now this is very common where if you got like a

04:46:37.940 local police department that's overwhelmed they can't handle this like uh like university police

04:46:41.880 department for example where you got like a couple of cops maybe 10 cops and like two detectives they

04:46:47.160 don't have the capacity to handle this so the state police will often take it and that's what's

04:46:51.720 happening here they took it so um obviously this is very important witness for the for the state

04:46:57.580 that's why the defense is trying to hit them on hearsay hearsay now again this is a preliminary

04:47:03.400 hearing hearsay is admissible this is not a trial okay hearsay is basically like um testimony that

04:47:10.940 comes from other people and not the direct individual in trial we need to bring that

04:47:14.040 witness in if this was a trial they would have to bring that witness in that recorded the the

04:47:18.200 that recorded the footage that they're talking about right now.

04:47:20.880 But since hearsay is admissible, they can do that.

04:47:24.260 Now, what the defense tried to do was it seemed like there was a sworn statement,

04:47:27.700 and the defense was like, ah, well, you know, she's not here.

04:47:31.160 There's some issues here, blah, blah, blah.

04:47:32.940 So that's what they were fighting about a second ago.

04:47:35.200 So now the prosecutor is going to kind of like ask the question in another way.

04:47:39.660 Give me one in the chat if that makes sense.

04:47:41.940 Give me one in the chat if that makes sense.

04:47:45.140 And we'll get right back to it.

04:47:46.200 i hope i hope that kind of explain what just transpired there to uh the video that you showed

04:47:53.180 you showed her that day or i guess agent davis showed her that day so almost said what happened

04:47:57.040 dude i literally just explained it just rewind the video that states that she's confirmed that

04:48:01.100 she did review the video and that it was um a true reflection of the video okay here we go

04:48:06.880 statement of incident or what you know about this incident so they put the video okay so i get it

04:48:11.240 they put the video file here because they know what they're referring to.

04:48:15.560 She's not going to know it.

04:48:16.480 Look, there's a case number right there.

04:48:17.660 20, 25, 0, 9, 1, 10, uh, 9, 1, 0.

04:48:21.260 And then underscore something, blah, blah, blah.

04:48:23.000 Yeah.

04:48:23.260 They're, they put this here so that they can like file it in their records.

04:48:27.180 Then here's her statement after. 0.84

04:48:28.980 So yeah, there's the, see the defense attorney is just a grassman. 0.57

04:48:32.560 Straws, bro. 0.70

04:48:33.520 Yeah.

04:48:33.880 There's nothing wrong with writing on the top, what it's going to be.

04:48:37.000 They labeled what it is.

04:48:38.500 now if they really want it to be official you can initial it right what i would have done

04:48:44.260 i was i would have initialed it you know special agent amber photo right here so they know that i

04:48:48.800 wrote that in and then she initials her comment but you know you can see it right here that she

04:48:53.340 signs at the bottom well that she took on september 10th 2025 and she identified by who's in that

04:48:59.640 video in her statement uh herself and all you guys that are watching on tiktok do me a solid

04:49:05.400 guys uh double tap the screen hope you guys are enjoying the broadcast you guys are not going to

04:49:10.020 get better coverage on this than anyone else so make sure you uh share the broadcast double tap

04:49:15.280 the screen and just youtube guys like the video for me two young children

04:49:19.580 if we could just have a clarification on the court's ruling so

04:49:26.300 i understand the court i think this witness right probably provided some very important

04:49:32.560 footage which is why they're um they're bringing it up overruled and published and i accept the

04:49:41.880 ruling but i thought under the court's previous order that the media was not going to film

04:49:47.880 exhibits oh she's not happy because they showed it um and they are filming the ones that are on

04:49:56.840 that screen so i guess i just need to clarify that your honor i'm sorry no and i appreciate

04:50:02.460 the clarification is important what my ruling when we came back from break was if you're objecting

04:50:07.920 specifically to the exhibit and then to the exhibit being published in the courtroom and

04:50:13.240 then the exhibit being published which can be captured by media if that's not specifically

04:50:18.300 addressed it i am going to allow it so i didn't hear a specific um objection to that so i appreciate

04:50:26.540 you bringing that up but that's that's how i'm looking at every single objection uh just for

04:50:31.260 clarity of the record. Thank you, Your Honor. So just to make sure I correct the record,

04:50:36.280 we are objecting to the publication of this under the UCGAA rules for the reasons I said,

04:50:42.380 but I respect that you've ruled on that. And in the future, I guess we'll just make particularly

04:50:48.320 clear we're objecting to publication because I do think anything that's getting on that screen

04:50:52.100 is getting filmed. So thank you, Your Honor. Thank you, Ms. Nestor. And yeah, they definitely

04:50:56.740 filmed it ksl news utah i got it mr sturgill did you want to respond so yeah the guy on the stand

04:51:02.580 right now guide is david hole that's the guy that's uh lead investigator right here with

04:51:07.420 australian accent i don't know if you guys peeped it but he said he did alcohol for a while

04:51:11.100 um he probably worked like for the alcohol compliance people he probably did undercover

04:51:15.820 because because of his accent on i mean it's it's the genie's a little bit out of the bottle

04:51:22.340 on this particular issue, but any record you wish to make?

04:51:27.000 We're simply going to seek to admit each one of these exhibits,

04:51:30.820 and then we're going to leave it up to your Honor's discretion

04:51:32.700 whether to publish them beyond, well, to what extent you want to publish them.

04:51:37.700 All right.

04:51:38.000 Well, I would prefer argument on this issue from both sides.

04:51:42.800 I don't, this is the burden of the state,

04:51:47.020 So I don't want to exceed my lane by just assuming.

04:51:52.440 So I'll leave it to you to make the argument what you're requesting.

04:52:17.020 the um sorry about that so before you're moving on mr sturgill as it relates to this i want to

04:52:35.500 put this to bed and then we can move on are you are you were you requesting for it to be published

04:52:41.280 on so the three you moved into evidence which I approved it is moved into evidence but I didn't

04:52:48.520 hear anything in regards to publishing to the courtroom and then lastly publishing which it

04:52:54.880 would be captured by the the camera in the background in the back. Judge we believe these

04:53:01.080 are public documents so we would ask that they be published both to the audience and to the public

04:53:07.360 at large all right well I given that that we've we've gone past the gate on

04:53:12.800 this one it's been published right but I'll know I think we're all on the same

04:53:19.600 page in regards to how objections may be made in how the court is going to

04:53:23.740 consider it so we can move forward

04:53:28.080 thank you mr. Sturgill thank you

04:53:37.360 have you um have you personally watched uh miss wright's video i have yes

04:53:53.140 and uh what is depicted in that video uh it's a view of miss wright's position in the crowd at

04:54:00.320 the event on september 10th and there you go it's uh it's critical footage probably one of the best

04:54:05.120 vantage points and that's why they're they're uh using it it's um absent the the written statement

04:54:14.260 from miss right could can you at least recognize the location that's displayed or depicted uh in

04:54:20.740 this particular video yes it's the amphitheater at uh at the utah valley university where mr kirk

04:54:26.660 was doing his event.

04:54:29.120 Okay.

04:54:30.120 On your screen, is it at six?

04:54:38.980 Do you see anything on your screen yet?

04:54:42.240 Just the very beginning.

04:54:46.700 It's there now.

04:54:48.120 It's there now.

04:54:49.540 Do you recognize what's depicted on your screen right now?

04:54:52.620 I do, yes.

04:54:53.480 And what is that?

04:54:54.200 in the background is the hall of flags and then you have the the gazebo under which mr kirk was

04:55:01.720 presenting his event from and then the crowd between where miss wright was and the stage

04:55:07.520 okay but do you recognize what this is the beginning of yes this is all right for all

04:55:12.860 you guys that are just joining lead investigator is on from the state burial investigation from

04:55:16.700 utah this is the lead investigator okay what is the sbi the sbi is the fbi equivalent for the

04:55:23.560 state of utah who who handles uh major crimes okay the guy's name is david hole okay special

04:55:32.680 agent with the sbi he is the one that's satisfying right now the beginning of misrights video okay

04:55:40.980 in a preliminary hearing there's not a this is not the trial chat i've seen a couple of you guys in

04:55:44.940 the chat say it's a trial it's not a trial this is a preliminary hearing it's only to establish

04:55:48.780 probable cause chairs the state would move to admit uh what's been mark state's exhibit 6.1

04:55:56.540 if you're watching on youtube smash the like button if you're watching on tick tock smash the

04:55:59.900 double tap okay oh i'm sorry six i apologize into to what level

04:56:09.580 hold on hold on this next door i just want to get the clarification and then i'll certainly

04:56:19.660 turn to you so the the levels of admitting into evidence then the next level is publishing it to

04:56:26.200 the courtroom and then the next level is publishing it in a way that is captured yeah share the live

04:56:31.340 guys appreciate you guys on tiktok sharing the live by the media what is your full request

04:56:35.880 Judge, we'd ask that, first of all, it be admitted, that it be published here within the courtroom, and then that it also be published to the public at large.

04:56:50.060 All right. Now, I'm not quite sure what this particular video is showing.

04:56:54.620 Could you lay a little bit more foundation or proffer that what this is?

04:56:59.180 Sure. You've seen this video, Agent Hall?

04:57:01.540 Correct.

04:57:02.180 What's depicted in this video?

04:57:03.420 The crowd and the beginning of Mr. Kirk's presentation to the audience in the Amphitheater at UVU on September 10th, 2025.

04:57:14.800 Does it depict Ms. Wright?

04:57:18.440 I believe towards the end of the video it scrolls back and Ms. Wright shows the people that she's with at the event and herself, yes.

04:57:26.740 Is there any act of alleged violence in this particular event?

04:57:31.460 not judged, but

04:57:32.360 there is not. Okay, I just needed

04:57:35.440 that clarification. Mr. Nestor, I'll turn to you.

04:57:37.340 I just wanted to make sure I understand the full

04:57:39.460 scope of this exhibit and then hear

04:57:41.520 from your objection. 1.00

04:57:43.240 Southern Mom, thanks for the roses. Shout out to all you guys

04:57:45.460 that are showing love. Yang-a-lang,

04:57:47.820 Southern Mommy, Tennessee Creek,

04:57:50.160 top three showing love.

04:57:52.020 Ophelia Hudson, shout out to all you guys showing

04:57:53.460 love on TikTok.

04:57:55.720 I've been gone for a long time. I can see you guys

04:57:57.480 miss me. Six years, banned.

04:58:01.460 in the shadow realm, if any. But I'm back. Your Honor, with respect to admission, we object to

04:58:07.640 its admission on the grounds that it's not properly authenticated as Ms. Wright herself

04:58:12.920 is not present. And for all the constitutional reasons we raised in our standing objection,

04:58:19.220 we object to that. As far as its publication, we object to its publication.

04:58:27.300 it definitely is something that if you oss guys are watching on tiktok let me know i'll mod you

04:58:34.220 up right away any oss guys watching on tiktok let me know and i'll mod you up but in its current

04:58:41.680 form without her here would not be admissible in any place other than a preliminary hearing

04:58:46.860 um and we feel like this would really but stay in the oss chat give me your tiktok name on the

04:58:51.440 oss chat so i know you're actually in the oss i'm looking at the oss chat right now really impinge

04:58:56.040 on Mr. Robinson's right to a fair trial, and so we're asking it not be published,

04:59:00.880 and certainly if the court does publish it, that it certainly not be filmed.

04:59:06.100 Thank you.

04:59:07.340 Mr. Sturgill, any response?

04:59:09.320 Judge, Rule 901 addresses authenticating or identifying evidence

04:59:13.440 to satisfy the requirement of authenticating a document,

04:59:16.560 or I guess authenticating a piece of evidence.

04:59:19.380 the proponent in this case is the state must produce evidence sufficient to support a finding

04:59:26.080 that the item is what all right all you tiktok guys type in a tiktok chat so i can start giving

04:59:30.560 y'all uh wrenches so i'm gonna look on i'm gonna look at my um oss chat then i'll look at my um

04:59:37.980 tiktok chat and i'll give y'all wrenches if it matches up because you know people are going to

04:59:41.660 try to scam opponent claims it to be and then the rule goes on to explain or provide examples of

04:59:47.620 how this

04:59:49.960 rule can be satisfied and at the very

04:59:51.900 top under subsection B1

04:59:54.200 is testimony of a witness

04:59:55.860 with knowledge. That

04:59:57.800 goes on to say that

04:59:59.360 testimony that an item is what it is

05:00:01.860 claimed to be

05:00:03.140 satisfies this

05:00:05.860 authentication

05:00:08.480 rule. Judge, you

05:00:10.100 have an 1102 statement prepared by

05:00:12.000 the person who actually

05:00:13.400 caught

05:00:15.080 these images on

05:00:17.480 her her camera or on her phone and uh and so judge i think that alone sufficiently authenticates

05:00:25.640 the document and then even further than that you have uh agent paul who has reviewed the video

05:00:32.360 himself and authenticates it at least with regards to location thank you as it relates to

05:00:40.040 admissibility of this exhibit i believe this is state's exhibit six is that it is judge all right

05:00:45.740 I'm sorry to interrupt. Can I add one more thing just for the record? For purposes of publication question, under UCJA 4-202.02, parent 4, parent R as in Richard, photograph, film, or video of a crime victim are designated as private court records.

05:01:11.460 And I do think that based on what the state has previously referenced, they are perceiving that everyone in the audience is a potential victim.

05:01:22.120 And so we think it shouldn't be published under that rule.

05:01:25.280 Thank you.

05:01:26.200 Mr. Sturgill, on that final point.

05:01:27.980 Judge, I appreciate that argument from Ms. Nestor.

05:01:31.360 And we don't necessarily disagree.

05:01:33.080 But to that end, to protect who we believe is a victim, victims in this video, I believe their faces have been blurred out.

05:01:44.340 Oh, I see.

05:01:46.840 Ms. Nester, have you?

05:01:50.160 I think it's only the minor children whose faces are blurred out, not Ms. Wright, if I'm not mistaken, unless it's been subsequently altered.

05:01:59.140 My recollection is they've all been blurred out.

05:02:01.340 All right. Let me I need to view this again. So let's just put it on my monitor again.

05:02:07.040 I'm just trying to make sure that in order for make a ruling on this, I need to view it.

05:02:11.620 So let's put it on my monitor, play it without any sound.

05:02:18.640 OK, to my understanding is the prosecution has control of this exhibit.

05:02:23.400 So what I'm asking is that the sound be turned off if there is any.

05:02:27.340 uh oss guys keep um keep putting in your thing so i can give you guys uh mods and just go ahead

05:02:35.320 and play it and it's only on well it's on all the parties monitors because i all i want you all to

05:02:40.720 view it because that can go directly to as you've mentioned miss nester uh whether it's possibly

05:02:48.020 admissible so let's go ahead and play that

05:02:49.780 yeah uh tyler robinson is balding chat bro has been stressed

05:03:10.180 guys i'm only giving wrenches to oss guys that's it i'm not giving wrenches to anybody

05:03:16.740 unless you're an OSS bro

05:03:17.720 we are outnumbered on TikTok

05:03:19.720 we are outnumbered on TikTok

05:03:21.880 so I'm only giving wrenches to base dudes man

05:03:23.640 if you want to join OSS

05:03:28.280 it's only a dollar to join

05:03:29.580 $10 after that

05:03:30.500 jump on in

05:03:31.840 I can drop the link in there

05:03:33.660 use the code L YouTube

05:03:34.820 alright thank you

05:03:40.620 based off what I've watched

05:03:43.340 there was some blurring of faces

05:03:44.860 but not of all the faces

05:03:46.280 And so I'm going to rule that it is admissible.

05:03:59.700 Sure, I'll wait until all parties are ready to proceed.

05:04:09.400 Someone said, do I stream a lot on TikTok?

05:04:11.700 I'm going to.

05:04:12.240 I just have to keep it clean when I'm on here.

05:04:16.280 so anything further i just want to make sure you got a chance to watch that i did so i'm ruling

05:04:23.040 that it is admissible into evidence again taking into consideration of the analysis

05:04:26.280 yo oss guys keep typing in the um keep typing on the uh on the tiktok dude so i can find you guys

05:04:34.000 crash amaran you already got him yeah i gave you a mod uh salah i gave you one already

05:04:40.160 the court's talked about regards to 1102s and this particular piece of evidence as it relates

05:04:48.700 to the 1102 video the 1102 statement 6.1 and I'm going to allow it to admit into evidence and

05:04:57.160 because the faces of the alleged victims are not all obscured there are some that are visible

05:05:05.300 it's not going to be published to in court monitor and obviously not to

05:05:09.020 to be filmed by the media so the court will receive it into evidence the court will watch

05:05:14.480 it again right now and then we can continue to proceed very good thank you josh so if uh to

05:05:19.000 the state if you would like to play it again for me i dropped the oss link for you guys in there

05:05:22.300 just use the code youtube as a dollar for the first month best way to support the mission

05:05:25.540 because i'm demonetized on youtube i'm viewing it as it relates to consideration as a magistrate

05:05:30.820 your honor um this is sounds like an issue that's going to come up again i represent the news media

05:05:35.440 can i convert on this issue yes um dominicano you got your wrench joseph you got your wrench

05:05:41.500 the i just wanted to address i've tried to be quiet i just wanted to address it now because 0.85

05:05:47.080 it's going to keep coming up it sounds like the classification rule that miss nester is

05:05:50.520 citing and that your honor was just reading is not about in court exhibits that is classification

05:05:56.960 for records in the court file so it is a fundamentally different thing when we are in a

05:06:01.760 public proceeding and the state is presenting an exhibit that you are relying on and the public

05:06:06.620 is being denied the chance to see it that is that is a fundamental um violation of the right of

05:06:12.400 access and it can it's a qualified right and i recognize that but that's not the the ruling that

05:06:16.800 you just made you're just ruling based on the code of judicial administration which doesn't have

05:06:20.040 anything to do with when something is presented in a public proceeding so while i recognize there

05:06:24.460 are certain things where I understand that you were going to make an exhibit by exhibit

05:06:27.600 evaluation based on certain exhibits that may, you know, be somewhat, may cross the heavy

05:06:34.560 threshold of being so prejudicial that they cannot be shown in public. That is not this.

05:06:39.360 And so just, I just wanted to make clear that the things that are in rule 202 are not, when it is

05:06:45.340 presented in open court as an exhibit for you to rely on, the public is entitled to see what you're

05:06:49.580 seeing so that they can understand what your decision-making process is. And so this one,

05:06:53.920 it doesn't sound like this sounds pretty anodyne to me.

05:06:56.120 You know, it's just, it's not even depicting the shooting.

05:06:58.060 I just wanted to clarify that the classification issue

05:07:00.640 about when, you know, we're filing things with the court

05:07:02.440 and we say like this, you know,

05:07:03.420 maybe we file a motion to classify.

05:07:04.660 That's not the decision that you're making today.

05:07:06.400 The decision you're making today is

05:07:07.360 the state is presenting something to you.

05:07:08.940 You're watching it.

05:07:09.760 You're making a decision based on it.

05:07:10.960 And the people in the gallery have the right to see that.

05:07:13.220 Whether you allow EMC of it is a different question.

05:07:15.780 And we think that the EMC should be allowed to

05:07:17.640 for reasons that we briefed.

05:07:18.920 But I do think that it at least

05:07:20.420 should be published in the courtroom.

05:07:21.480 Thank you.

05:07:22.180 Thank you, Your Honor.

05:07:22.660 To the parties, do you wish to respond?

05:07:25.820 Jay, you got your wrench.

05:07:27.480 We'll submit it.

05:07:31.460 I'm sorry.

05:07:31.960 Hold on.

05:07:32.420 Okay, so we'll go to Ms. Nestor first and then to the state.

05:07:36.200 Mr. Sergio.

05:07:37.020 The only additional observation I'd make is, with regards to this video and this video only,

05:07:39.940 the state doesn't believe that the defense really has standing to make an argument on behalf of the victims in this case.

05:07:44.780 All right.

05:07:45.940 All right, based off of what's been presented in recognizing the argument from the media,

05:07:50.600 I see the differentiation.

05:07:52.660 and how they are differentiating the rule that was cited versus what was presented.

05:07:58.060 So I'm going to go ahead and rule that this may be played in the courtroom

05:08:00.400 but not be captured on video.

05:08:02.440 So to the camera operator, I just want to make sure that it's going to be playing on that,

05:08:05.900 but I don't want it captured.

05:08:07.060 I appreciate the patience of the parties as we're going through the many layers

05:08:09.580 that need to be addressed.

05:08:10.660 Okay, I passed out a bunch of wrenches, man.

05:08:12.300 You guys should be good.

05:08:14.460 I passed out a bunch to the OSS ninjas, man.

05:08:16.820 on exhibits such as these.

05:08:23.260 So we'll go ahead and,

05:08:24.160 once that's ready to be played,

05:08:25.260 let's go ahead and do that.

05:08:35.940 I saw a lot of people in Utah,

05:08:36.980 I'll tell you what.

05:08:40.780 Hunter.

05:08:42.700 Alex.

05:08:43.520 You know how it works.

05:08:44.980 Thank you, and that concludes

05:08:45.940 exhibit six correct thank you mr sergio you may continue

05:08:49.980 agent hold did you or any other sbi agent collect additional video oh yes there were other videos

05:08:55.700 collected what additional video did you collect um a cell phone video from mr phillips was collected

05:09:01.340 and do you know who uh or how that video was collected yes agent schultz made contact with

05:09:07.080 i clicked a bunch of um i clicked a bunch of you guys and gave you guys wrenches i mean it should

05:09:11.340 work maybe refresh your page mr phillips uh september 29th of 2025 and that video was provided

05:09:17.500 to him and subsequently in preparation for the proceedings today um myself and agent davis met

05:09:22.300 with mr phillips um on april 6th and he completed in 1102 and went through the same process as miss

05:09:28.700 wright the only difference being on this occasion because he is a minor his mother witnessed it and

05:09:32.220 also signed the statement okay so you personally reviewed uh mr phillips's video with mr phillips

05:09:37.460 Correct.

05:09:38.260 And you had him prepare a written statement?

05:09:39.920 Yes, correct.

05:09:40.540 Again, on this written statement, are there two different authors?

05:09:44.740 Yes, I believe in this instance it was myself that wrote the file name on the form.

05:09:47.600 Okay, so you wrote, what part of the statement did you write?

05:09:49.500 Just the name of the file that we were asking Mr. Phillips to verify.

05:09:51.780 Okay.

05:09:52.360 Yeah, that's for their own, like, tracking purposes.

05:09:54.480 Completely normal.

05:10:01.180 I'm going to have exhibited on your screen what's been marked State's Exhibit 7.1.

05:10:07.340 And this should just be for Agent Paul.

05:10:12.100 That's on my screen.

05:10:13.100 Is it on your screen? Do you recognize what that is?

05:10:15.060 I do, yes.

05:10:15.580 What is that?

05:10:16.120 The State Bureau of Investigation 1102 form completed by Mr. Phillips.

05:10:18.780 And did you gather that for Mr. Phillips?

05:10:20.240 I did, yes.

05:10:20.860 And again, does this statement include the advisory that is going to be used in the of his testimony at Freedom?

05:10:24.160 It does.

05:10:24.540 And does it also include a warning that if he makes a, well, the author makes a false statement that could be punishable by being charged with Class A misdemeanor?

05:10:30.600 It does, yes.

05:10:31.800 Anything about this exhibit look different than the day you collected it?

05:10:35.320 No.

05:10:35.640 just a state would seek to admit exhibit 7.1

05:10:39.440 thank you your honor

05:10:41.260 we would object to the admission on the grounds

05:10:43.400 that this video does in fact show

05:10:44.880 a close up view of the shooting of Mr. Kirk

05:10:47.440 in grievous injuries

05:10:48.900 in very stark relief

05:10:51.420 and because of that

05:10:53.160 we are particularly concerned about our constitutional

05:10:55.400 claims we have made and our standing objection

05:10:56.860 in terms of our ability to get a fair trial

05:10:58.380 so they don't want to show the video

05:11:00.480 guys refresh your page

05:11:02.480 hopefully you should have your wrench

05:11:05.640 refresh your page hopefully you get it public published and um i think again we have the same

05:11:12.320 issue with the court you know being in a position where you're having to make a reliability um

05:11:16.340 determination without the opportunity for this individual to be cross-examined also i do think

05:11:20.400 the fact this is a minor that um completed this form um does make it protected he's also

05:11:25.840 potentially a victim um under the same theory that has been stated form is right um and under the

05:11:31.160 under the UCJA

05:11:34.340 acts for the same reason, the UCJA

05:11:36.520 rules for the same reason, these

05:11:38.460 should be protected private court records

05:11:40.200 and private means it shouldn't be played to court

05:11:42.500 and it shouldn't be played to the public through the media

05:11:44.460 so we would object to its mission

05:11:46.200 we would object to its publication and we would object to its filming

05:11:48.360 thank you. Any final response?

05:11:50.560 Let me address, well there's two things here right

05:11:52.340 let me address first the 1102 statement, judge I believe

05:11:54.440 again that this statement was gathered in compliance with rule

05:11:56.380 1102 B8

05:11:57.240 and the agent has explained that although Mr. Phillips is a minor his mother was present

05:12:04.700 and that explains I believe he said the second signature on the form the with regards to

05:12:09.400 publishing it yeah that's one way to get it in get the parent permission 1102 statement that is

05:12:13.880 as we believe again the presumption is this is a public record and that it should be not only

05:12:19.620 admitted but published here in court and also published so the the media can record it with

05:12:26.500 regards while doing it address the 1102 and then we'll all move on to the video all right so we're

05:12:30.280 staying focused on the 1102 any final response miss nester thank you as it relates to the 1102

05:12:35.840 statement and to the state uh representative who is displaying it could you scroll down i can only

05:12:39.580 see the top half of this all right and just go to the very bottoms yeah guys i'm trying to mod you

05:12:49.460 through my computer it's not i don't think it's letting me do it man i don't know why oh man let

05:12:55.460 Let me see if I can do it on my phone.

05:12:56.820 I can look at the totality of it, this is 7.1.

05:13:00.240 All right, based off of what's before me,

05:13:01.820 on the state's exhibit 7.1,

05:13:03.080 I find that it is admissible under Rule 1102

05:13:05.780 and to the Utah Constitution, Article 1, Section 12,

05:13:10.780 to that paragraph I have referred to previously,

05:13:12.720 and so it is admitted into evidence.

05:13:14.920 And Mr. Sturgill, remind me,

05:13:18.960 were you requesting for it to be displayed?

05:13:20.620 I'm, again, focusing on 7.1.

05:13:22.580 Right, 7.1, Judge, with regards to the video,

05:13:24.480 believe it's admissible it's been authenticated properly hold on hold on

05:13:26.880 I'm not talking about the video I'm talking about 7.1 publishing it in the

05:13:29.760 courtroom versus publishing it on to be captured by the media because we think

05:13:33.360 that it's present the presumption is it is a court record we believe in its

05:13:36.120 redacted form we believe it should be published all in all three areas

05:13:40.200 mr. any final thoughts I'm gonna go ahead and grant that publishing of

05:13:44.760 plaintiffs exhibit 7.1 in courts and that the media may capture that let's go

05:13:51.880 ahead and do so all right let's see it's always cool down so here's the um here's the document

05:14:02.380 here's department of public safety voluntary statement affidavit so this was soren statement

05:14:07.880 uh on taken in april of 2026

05:14:10.580 so image i have viewed blah blah blah looks like this is the parent right here jennifer phillips

05:14:22.860 ty phillips

05:14:24.840 all right you may proceed did you admit it at some point it is admitted into evidence and it was

05:14:34.220 published the um have you personally watched mr phillips's video i have yes okay and what does

05:14:39.860 it depict? It's a graphic video. Mr. Phillips was positioned towards the front of the crowd

05:14:45.060 and it does depict the moment that Mr. Kirk is shot. And independent of the 1102 statement

05:14:49.820 prepared by Mr. Phillips, you watching that video, do you recognize at least the location

05:14:53.180 of this video? I do. It's consistent with the event that Mr. Kirk was presenting at UVU on

05:14:57.540 September 10th, 2025. To this point, the state would move to introduce or would move to admit

05:15:01.580 what's been marked state's exhibit number seven. We would simply ask that it be admitted. We would

05:15:05.680 asked however that it not be published beyond that due to the graphic nature and the sensitive

05:15:10.780 nature of the video all right so as to the admission the same issues that we raised as to

05:15:15.320 the 1102 we would raise as to um the difficult yeah defense really doesn't want this video getting

05:15:20.660 in chat that's what they're arguing about all this time is basically they don't want this video

05:15:24.760 getting in authenticating when the individual's not here at least for the prelim hearing isn't

05:15:30.380 um and all the same concerns um that we raised they're using the excuse that the defendant isn't

05:15:35.000 Sorry, the witness isn't here to testify to us, so they're trying to keep it out.

05:15:38.940 About the 1102 itself, Your Honor.

05:15:40.800 Thank you.

05:15:42.440 All right.

05:15:44.040 Considering the...

05:15:44.920 I'm sorry, may I have one more?

05:15:46.040 I apologize.

05:15:46.560 And also under Rule 403, we think it's more prejudicial than probative, and we would raise it for that reason as well.

05:15:51.360 Any final response, Mr. Sturgeon?

05:15:52.840 No, Your Honor.

05:15:53.300 All right.

05:15:54.480 And this is Exhibit 7, is that correct?

05:15:56.620 Correct.

05:15:57.020 Exhibit 7, Judge.

05:15:57.740 All right.

05:15:58.280 I will admit Exhibit 7 into evidence based off the foundation that's laid.

05:16:02.060 the 1102 is tied directly to this and so for admission purposes it is admitted i am not going

05:16:09.960 to authorize publication in the courtroom or obviously through media but i will have it played

05:16:16.180 on my screen and so i view it and i just want to make sure and please counsel given the graphic

05:16:22.600 nature of it please guard your screens because i believe we all should be viewing okay chad i think

05:16:28.760 I found a way to do it. So this is what I want you guys to do on OSS. If you're on OSS, send a

05:16:35.840 $1 super chat, guys, just so I don't lose your name with your username on TikTok. If you already

05:16:40.440 did it, don't send another one in. I'm going to go through. I'm going to find you. I found how to

05:16:45.640 do it on my phone. I'm going to add you manually. Just give me your TikTok username, and I'm going

05:16:49.740 to compare it with the OSS super chats, and I'll add you in for TikTok. So you guys can go in there

05:16:57.660 and moderate. Okay. I got your ninjas. If you already donated, don't donate again. This is

05:17:03.740 only so I can like keep it organized and I can find you guys. This, this is evidence. And I want

05:17:09.920 to make sure that you all are seeing what I see to ensure that that is accurate. And it's a fair

05:17:14.360 representation of the exhibit that you are familiar with. So whatever you need to do,

05:17:18.640 I'll give you a moment. And if you could just give me a thumbs up, if you're ready to proceed,

05:17:22.260 Again, I want to act in a way that is dignified and respecting the rights of all persons.

05:17:30.260 And for those reasons, I just want to make sure we are safeguarding to ensure this is not captured.

05:17:34.620 All right.

05:17:35.500 To defense.

05:17:37.080 Ready to proceed?

05:17:38.020 Yes, sir.

05:17:38.500 All right.

05:17:39.120 To the state.

05:17:40.320 Yes, sir.

05:17:40.780 All right.

05:17:42.680 Go ahead, and let's play Exhibit 7.

05:17:49.180 Is there a sound?

05:17:50.280 There is, sir.

05:17:50.760 All right.

05:17:51.200 Let's make sure that. Thank you.

05:18:03.200 Okay, so they're not going to show it, obviously, because of the graphic nature of it.

05:18:07.100 We don't know how. We don't know what they did.

05:18:09.960 And for those...

05:18:10.600 Yeah, Mr. Farnsworth originally provided, I believe, a flash drive to Lieutenant O'Brien with one of the local agencies.

05:18:17.960 And a short time after that, on September 10th, he provided downloadable versions, electronic versions to Agent Mortensen.

05:18:29.540 And an 1102 was collected from him on May 6th of 2026.

05:18:34.800 So an 1102 was prepared by someone with visual impulse?

05:18:38.640 Yes.

05:18:39.200 Terrell Farnsworth was the individual that prepared it in preparation for this.

05:18:43.520 I spoke to him personally regarding that statement.

05:18:45.860 And do you know what his association is with Visual Impulse?

05:18:49.740 I believe he's the owner-operator or the director of the company.

05:18:54.820 And then who collected that 1102 statement from Mr. Farnsworth?

05:18:59.160 It was Agent Monson who collected it.

05:19:02.020 Okay, and you know that because Agent Monson told you?

05:19:05.200 He provided it to me, and then, as I mentioned,

05:19:08.320 I subsequently spoke to Terrell Farnsworth personally regarding his statement.

05:19:11.400 Okay.

05:19:15.860 Have you had a chance to look at Mr. Farnsworth's 1102 statement?

05:19:21.900 I have, yes.

05:19:24.020 And again, does that statement include an advisory that any statement that he provided would be used at preliminary hearing in lieu of his life testimony?

05:19:34.380 Yes.

05:19:35.060 Did it also include a warning that a false statement would potentially be punished by a class A misdemeanor?

05:19:40.860 It did, yes.

05:19:41.880 Okay.

05:19:42.120 I'm going to have exhibited on your screen what's been Mark State's exhibit 8.1.

05:19:49.080 Let me know when that comes up.

05:19:53.780 That's come up.

05:19:57.040 I think it's a single page, is it not?

05:20:00.320 I believe it is.

05:20:12.120 Do you see that, Agent Hall?

05:20:14.300 Yes.

05:20:22.260 You do recognize that?

05:20:24.280 I do, yes.

05:20:25.340 Okay, and again, that is what?

05:20:27.220 It's the 1102 statement that was provided to me, completed by Mr. Farnsworth from Visual Impulse,

05:20:34.760 who is the videographer for TPUSA for the events that they do.

05:20:38.480 Okay.

05:20:38.560 Judge, the state would move to admit State's Exhibit 8.1. 0.58

05:20:43.900 Ms. Nester.

05:20:45.660 Thank you, Your Honor.

05:20:48.380 At this point, we renew our objection.

05:20:52.320 This statement is hearsay.

05:20:55.980 We have constitutional concerns for the reasons we raised in our standing objection.

05:21:01.360 We also would like to cross-examine Mr. Farnsworth about whether or not and to what extent these videos may have been altered in any way.

05:21:12.960 It is clear that clips were being made out of the larger videos because he sent, even his own statement says he sent larger videos and this is just a small portion of them.

05:21:22.880 So obviously someone made clips and we don't know who, we don't know how, we don't know what they did.

05:21:28.120 and for those reasons and the reasons that are standing objection we would

05:21:33.160 object to the admissibility of it and as well the I don't have a redacted

05:21:40.720 version of 8.1 but I assume there is one there is personal information on this

05:21:47.020 one do you have the redact okay I don't have that one all right um and we would

05:21:51.700 object to publication just on

05:21:53.840 our concerns for fair trial

05:21:55.860 the same issues?

05:21:59.920 Yeah, gotcha.

05:22:02.200 Yeah, I think

05:22:03.880 so. Thank you.

05:22:06.140 And for all those reasons, we would object

05:22:07.780 to its admissibility,

05:22:10.320 its publication,

05:22:11.680 and its ability to be

05:22:13.720 filmed by the media, Your Honor.

05:22:15.500 Ms. Nestor, I just wanted to check. Did you

05:22:17.600 get a copy of the redact? I was just handed it.

05:22:19.900 I just wanted to make sure that you had copies.

05:22:23.100 Thank you, Your Honor.

05:22:23.880 So, okay, thank you.

05:22:25.640 Mr. Sturgell, would you like to respond?

05:22:27.760 Sure, Judge, thank you.

05:22:29.200 With regards to the admissibility of the statement, Judge,

05:22:32.120 I think the foundation has been laid that this statement was collected in compliance with Utah Rule of Evidence 1102,

05:22:40.400 subsection B8.

05:22:42.260 It constitutes reliable hearsay.

05:22:45.000 It's a statement that's been made by a declarant that's written, and it's under oath, or not under oath, but pursuant to a notification of the declarant that a false statement made is punishable.

05:22:55.640 I think there's been foundation to support that.

05:22:57.740 In addition, Judge, Article 1, Section 12 of the Utah Constitution makes it very clear that the state at preliminary hearing can rely upon reliable hearsay.

05:23:08.520 All right.

05:23:09.460 I want to tell Brett to mod some of you guys, man, because it's taking too long. 0.66

05:23:12.720 um and and tiktok is not fucking helpful at all with this crap it's very annoying when i search

05:23:19.600 some of your guys names you guys just don't come up anything further before i make my ruling 0.95

05:23:23.640 thank you all right applying the same analysis from the previous exhibits as it relates to the

05:23:30.700 written statement under rule 1102 and also under the utah constitution article 1 section 12 in that

05:23:39.300 last paragraph uh i will overrule the objection and admit uh plain to a state's exhibit 8.1

05:23:47.880 uh let me hold off hey smash the like button for me on on uh on youtube by the way guys smash that

05:23:55.400 like button for me from that final phrase if you could scroll down to the state representative

05:24:00.540 and i'll give you all like another minute but uh smash that like button on youtube stop right there

05:24:09.780 Thank you.

05:24:10.440 I just want to make sure I fully review it before I make that ruling.

05:24:30.140 And if you could continue.

05:24:33.580 Your Honor, we would just renew our objections to authentication for admissibility purposes.

05:24:39.120 under 901 bro this is hilarious every objection is on hearsay in the 1102 in a prelim hearing

05:24:44.720 you know someone prepared these clips we don't know who we don't have that person here to cross

05:24:49.780 examine in terms of what it what if anything was edited and um for that reason we think it can't

05:24:56.080 be authenticated and we object to its admissibility and our standing objection for constitutional

05:25:00.660 grounds thank you

05:25:03.560 just one moment here

05:25:08.160 judge would you like me to respond

05:25:11.960 yes please

05:25:13.480 judge with regards to authentication

05:25:16.900 again the state must produce evidence sufficient

05:25:20.400 support of finding the item is what the proponent claims it to be

05:25:24.060 and again under subsection B1 it's sufficient

05:25:27.960 to provide testimony from someone that has

05:25:31.800 first-hand knowledge or observed uh well has first-hand knowledge regarding the authenticity

05:25:38.420 of that video you heard agent hold testify that he spoke to the owner of um and the director of

05:25:44.740 visual impulse uh visual impulse i believe hey guys double tap the live on uh on tiktok

05:25:51.340 double tap the live on tiktok what do we rank right now guys on uh tiktok live what are we

05:25:56.700 ranked i see dean has the most of 27.2 but this is like his main platform

05:26:01.500 what do we rank right now on the tiktok lives ninjas it was testified to that they contract with

05:26:11.020 tp usa to film their events this particular video of the state is going to or seeks to introduce

05:26:19.860 is exhibit eight was shown to mr farnsworth and that is the video that mr farnsworth authenticates

05:26:25.800 and says that this is video that was captured by visual impulse cameras.

05:26:30.660 So with regards to authentication, I think the state has sufficiently provided the court with evidence to authenticate it.

05:26:37.460 And this is States Exhibit 8.

05:26:40.120 All right.

05:26:42.240 I'm going to overrule the objection and admit States Exhibit 8 as it relates to publication citing to Article 1, Section 28, 1A,

05:26:53.540 that this is Declaration of Rights of Crime Victims in its states

05:26:58.860 to be treated with fairness, respect, and dignity.

05:27:02.740 And to those two points of respect and dignity,

05:27:05.780 the court is not publishing this in the courtroom,

05:27:09.480 nor is it being published, obviously, online.

05:27:12.820 But the court will watch it in court, and again, to the parties,

05:27:16.580 if you could protect your screens however you choose to,

05:27:21.360 and then i'll check to see when we're ready uh and then we'll okay it looks like they're gonna

05:27:25.840 fold the play the full thing here but they're not gonna show it obviously have it played so

05:27:29.940 turning to defense um is more time needed to okay thank you turning to the state to your screens

05:27:37.020 all right they all right oh so we're not in the top 100 that's bs bro how are we not in the top

05:27:42.100 100 with like almost 500 ninjas in here how's that even possible i see a head nod yes and let's

05:27:49.920 go ahead and play this video

05:27:51.940 only on the monitors and if there's

05:27:54.040 sound associated with it

05:27:55.580 the sound to be played as well

05:27:58.000 you may proceed

05:27:58.940 alright no audio

05:28:02.280 they're taking audio out they're playing the

05:28:05.360 the shooting

05:28:07.080 so

05:28:09.320 I'm in the 99% zone

05:28:12.820 yeah no audio chat

05:28:17.760 they're playing the video

05:28:19.240 So, okay, we're ranked 93 in the world right now on TikTok.

05:28:21.760 Nice.

05:28:22.400 Sweet.

05:28:23.800 We're number three right now.

05:28:25.020 Guys, keep tapping the like button while we wait for this thing.

05:28:31.480 Yeah, dude, we're literally, yeah, they're showing the shooting, guys.

05:28:37.000 Obviously, it's very graphic.

05:28:42.660 So, yeah.

05:28:47.120 That's what they're doing right now.

05:28:48.400 their plane remember the SBA yes the the campus itself UVU is very well equipped with with cameras

05:28:56.140 throughout and they were willing to work with us to provide video from those cameras and so that

05:29:02.340 was collected as part of the investigation also the with regards to the UVU surveillance video

05:29:11.060 do you know if video was collected from uh there behind where Mr. Kirk was all right guys Brett

05:29:17.800 Sane's going to start modding you guys up.

05:29:19.500 I told him to cross-reference you guys

05:29:21.420 and the OSS thing, and yeah.

05:29:23.700 ...the time that he was shot.

05:29:25.840 Yes, I'm aware that under the Hall of Flags,

05:29:28.200 there is a, I'll refer to it as a breezeway,

05:29:30.480 but a way for people to move from one side

05:29:34.480 into the amphitheater,

05:29:36.300 walking underneath the Hall of Flags,

05:29:38.080 and I know there was a camera situated in that location.

05:29:40.500 Okay.

05:29:41.300 And do you know, with regards to that camera view,

05:29:45.700 uh well let me ask you this so that particular camera view there was surveillance that was

05:29:51.900 provided to you or another agent from you to you correct okay and do you recall who provided that

05:29:57.360 video to you initially and who collected it um initially um i don't know specifically for that

05:30:04.680 video uh but i know that whole process was oh that says i got you guys bro you guys are party

05:30:10.600 number one i literally been doing this all for you guys because you ninjas rock with me i rock

05:30:15.240 with you so we're getting all you guys wrenches right now that's one of the benefits of being an

05:30:22.500 oss bro was overseen uh by mr olson who's responsible for that system okay do you have

05:30:30.800 a first name for mr olson uh curtis olson i'm sorry curtis olson okay and and do you know what

05:30:36.780 mr olson or curtis olson's position is at uvu i believe he's a director

05:30:41.620 Is it his job to basically gather and forward any video that's captured by UVU surveillance?

05:30:50.720 Yeah, he has a long title, but I think it's Director of Infrastructure, but he is responsible for that system.

05:30:59.440 With regards to this particular video, the video from underneath the Hall of Flags,

05:31:03.500 what, if anything, have you done with that video in preparation for today's hearing?

05:31:08.640 I went specifically to meet Mr. Olson, have him review the video that we had, and again, like with the others, I had him complete an 1102 statement for us describing his role and verifying the videos.

05:31:28.620 I did that on, actually on July 2nd of this year.

05:31:33.000 July 2nd of this year?

05:31:34.120 Correct.

05:31:34.560 Oh, recently.

05:31:35.040 Okay.

05:31:36.800 Give me just one moment.

05:31:38.640 actually that's i'm gonna correct myself on that if i can refer back to my notes

05:31:46.260 okay all right guys i am getting off of youtube and twitter okay youtube and twitter going down

05:31:51.520 youtube and twitter going down guys come on over i dropped the kick link in there for you guys

05:31:56.780 we're going to continue on with the lead investigator going to keep doing uh breaking

05:32:00.620 down this uh this trial twitter and youtube are going down come on over to kick kick.com

05:32:06.520 slash MarioGainesX, guys.

05:32:07.580 It's going down now.

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05:32:12.140 YouTube and Twitter are both going down.

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05:32:17.640 Please, if that, yes.

05:32:19.040 Your notes you have there with you again?

05:32:21.920 Yes.

05:32:23.320 And referencing them will help you refresh your memory.

05:32:25.280 X going down.

05:32:26.440 Okay, so don't read from it out loud.

05:32:28.540 Just look at it and let us know when you've refreshed your memory.

05:32:30.480 July 2nd seemed a little bit too soon.

05:32:33.720 It was June 24th.

05:32:34.280 X going down now.

05:32:35.240 Mr. Olsen.

05:32:36.240 Okay.

05:32:36.520 And you personally met with?

05:32:37.700 You two going down now.

05:32:39.520 Mr. Olson?

05:32:40.120 I did, yes.

05:32:40.780 Okay.

05:32:41.400 And did you personally review this particular video,

05:32:44.900 or I guess the Hall of Flags video with Mr. Olson?

05:32:48.000 Yes.

05:32:48.660 Okay.

05:32:50.220 And he prepared a written statement?

05:32:52.920 He did, yes.

05:32:54.280 And on that statement, was that a Bureau-provided statement for him?

05:32:57.820 It was, yes.

05:32:58.560 Okay.

05:32:59.220 And on that statement, do you recall whether it includes an advisory

05:33:03.880 That his written statement would be used in lieu of his life testimony it did yes

05:33:08.940 Does it also include a warning that if he provided a false statement on that form that he could be punished with a class a misdemeanor it did yes

05:33:33.260 is there something displayed on your screen right now there is yes it should be 12.3 yeah it should

05:33:56.360 be what's been marked the state's exhibit 12.3 do you recognize what that is yes that's the state

05:34:02.100 Bureau of Investigations 1102 statement completed by Mr. Olson.

05:34:06.900 Does it appear to be in the same condition as when you collected it?

05:34:10.260 It does, yes.

05:34:14.020 Mr. State would seek to admit what's been marked State's Exhibit 12.3.

05:34:19.760 Ms. Nestor.

05:34:23.400 Thank you, Your Honor.

05:34:24.900 We would, again, renew our concern about hearsay

05:34:28.060 and our constitutional concerns about that raised in our standing objection.

05:34:33.140 Also, the concern is that the individual basically states they verified the recordings,

05:34:40.820 but doesn't say how, doesn't say whether they viewed it,

05:34:44.060 doesn't say whether someone else viewed it and told them,

05:34:46.920 whether someone else viewed it and told someone else who told someone else who told them.

05:34:51.140 There's just no explanation.

05:34:52.500 We don't think it's sufficient to meet your reliability analysis.

05:34:55.220 and we object to admission and we also object to publication.

05:34:59.340 This is for all the same reasons, Your Honor.

05:35:05.300 To the state.

05:35:07.260 Judge, again, the state's position is that this written state was collected in compliance with Rule 1102,

05:35:16.880 subsection B8.

05:35:18.780 It is a statement collected with both the advisory.

05:35:23.560 Hey, double tap on TikTok, guys.

05:35:25.220 make sure to double tap on tiktok let's get up to uh let's get 100 000 bro let's get 100k

05:35:31.340 uh double taps let's take over tiktok real ninjas are taking over and the admonition

05:35:37.840 from what we've heard from sergeant hole this individual curtis olson is the person that's

05:35:44.840 it's his job basically to handle this type of information and turn it over to law enforcement

05:35:50.960 All right, I'll have, uh, if the state representative can scroll through so I can review it in its entirety

05:35:59.040 and just stop when the majority of that handwritten statements.

05:36:03.760 Hey, Suleiman Almari, I appreciate you, bro, with the five gifted. Thank you.

05:36:07.720 Visible. Thank you. Let me review that.

05:36:20.960 and if you could scroll down to the bottom of the page so guys what you guys are observing here

05:36:39.260 right is the lead investigator as you guys know is running the case so what's up happening is

05:36:43.780 they're talking a lot of people they're collecting evidence they're interviewing witnesses

05:36:47.580 they're collecting the evidence directly you know they're indexing it etc so what's going on

05:36:52.500 basically here is um the defense is trying to stop this from coming in because she's like oh well

05:36:59.320 these witnesses that gave them this stuff aren't here to testify it creates problems it's violating

05:37:03.780 rights blah blah blah and again this is just a hearing to establish probable cause but the way

05:37:09.800 the defense looks at is like yo let's fight as hard as we can okay let's make them burn as much

05:37:15.840 evidence as they can so they can show their hands it's very obvious what the defense is doing here

05:37:20.420 they're going to be as difficult as they can be right so that it forces the prosecution to bring

05:37:27.000 out more and more evidence to establish the probable cause which is good for them because

05:37:31.500 then they have less to work with for trial day remember guys the prosecution are the ones who

05:37:38.600 have the burden of performance the defense has no burden of performance Tyler Robinson and his

05:37:44.180 attorneys can sit there silent the entire time and not do anything so she's gonna fight she's

05:37:49.720 gonna object she's gonna try to get things out because what ends up happening is this is gonna 1.00

05:37:55.460 put the prosecution in their back foot it's gonna force them to come up with more things to establish 0.95

05:38:00.780 probable cause so it's a battle between the two she knows they have probable cause she just wants 0.59

05:38:07.580 to see more of what they got and how they're going to present it

05:38:09.560 Thank you.

05:38:16.760 Under the same analysis for 1102, under Rule 1102, as well as Article 1, Section 28 of the Utah Constitution,

05:38:26.620 I'm sorry, that's the wrong one.

05:38:30.100 Under Article 1, Section 12 of the Utah Constitution, that final paragraph,

05:38:35.280 the court overrules the objection and admits

05:38:39.020 State's Exhibit 12.3 as it relates to

05:38:43.180 publication, Mr. Sturgill. Judge, with regards to publication

05:38:46.980 in this particular exhibit, it's the state's position that

05:38:50.380 the presumption is that it's a public record and we would ask that it be published

05:38:55.120 both here in the courtroom and that the cameras be allowed to capture it and publish it as well.

05:39:00.060 Ms. Nestor. Nothing additional,

05:39:03.480 Your Honor. I note the standing objection from defense and given the court's previous analysis

05:39:12.860 for other 1102s, the court is going to publish it both in the courtroom and so it can be captured

05:39:20.460 by the media. What we'll do is the same thing. We'll start at the top, pause for 10 seconds and

05:39:28.200 go to this middle section and we'll pause about 20 seconds because there is a little bit, it is

05:39:32.980 more dense and then we'll scroll down to the very bottom for about 10 seconds and then that

05:39:38.260 will conclude that so it's now on screen and let's go from there yeah so guys remember uh

05:39:48.060 pursuant to rule so 1102 every time they talk about 1102 it's rules of evidence for the state

05:39:52.980 of utah so anytime they talk about 1102 just memorize that it means of rule of evidence

05:39:58.760 All right, you can scroll down.

05:40:28.760 okay i've been at uvu for 25 years 10 of those as the director my department has had

05:40:37.260 responsibility for the video surveillance system since march 2020 i have a

05:40:42.060 i don't know i can't read that handled maybe multiple trainings on the management and

05:40:53.400 exporting a video for our system, our system records

05:40:57.620 by

05:41:00.040 oh god, I'm one of

05:41:03.820 two

05:41:04.280 masters of this system

05:41:10.900 all activity is recorded and logged in files, this includes all

05:41:15.960 okay, I gotta make this bigger chat

05:41:18.440 this guy

05:41:23.080 all modifications deletions and exports of data from all my checks

05:41:34.440 on september 10th and after the system has been

05:41:37.380 functioning properly without any tampering to the system

05:41:42.460 i have verified the recordings made on the 10th and all are accurate with

05:41:48.680 the system functioning

05:41:50.460 properly. I reviewed

05:41:52.320 State Exhibit 12.1

05:41:54.720 and the recordings are true and accurate

05:41:56.640 including

05:41:58.800 timestamps, dates,

05:42:00.360 and camera labels. The only

05:42:02.700 changes are some zooms

05:42:04.340 and red highlights which were

05:42:06.500 not part of the original recording.

05:42:09.000 To the best of my knowledge, all

05:42:10.580 video

05:42:11.160 I can't read that.

05:42:15.340 By myself, including

05:42:16.580 Exhibit 9 in the

05:42:18.680 okay are accurate and reflects the okay this handwriting is atrocious i'm trying chat

05:42:24.440 i'm really trying i think we got like 90 of it though and this comes from curtis olson

05:42:31.920 6 24 26 at 10 0 7

05:42:35.640 pause about 20 seconds because there is a little bit it is more dense and then we'll scroll down

05:42:46.920 to the very bottom and uh so here's the video guy move up hold on curtis olson 624 26 and then

05:42:57.960 to finish it says here to the best of my knowledge and video prepared by myself including exhibit nine

05:43:04.680 in the accurate flex the events on september 10 2025

05:43:10.540 five

05:43:11.300 all right guys uh you guys better you guys better say thank you or something man because holy

05:43:18.880 that was painful dude that was painful

05:43:22.660 oh man

05:43:28.600 i don't even know how i read that i don't even know how i did it

05:43:35.280 thank you that concludes publication of this exhibit

05:43:44.240 awful handwriting man thank you sir

05:43:49.120 the um well in in mr olson's 1102 statement he references more than one video does he not

05:44:00.640 He does yes, okay, so you with regards to the the hull of flags video

05:44:07.640 Have you have you seen that particular video? I have yes, okay, and that video. What does it depict?

05:44:15.040 It's a view kind of looking what would be east

05:44:19.340 Under the breezeway towards the back of the stage where mr. Cook was situated

05:44:24.580 It shows some movement behind the stage area

05:44:27.120 and I believe through the gaps you can see some of the crowd in the amphitheater.

05:44:33.660 I think I've neglected to do this twice before, so I'm going to do it right this time.

05:44:39.280 Would you please bring up an exhibit now?

05:44:42.060 Without question, play.

05:44:47.220 Tell me when you see something on your screen.

05:44:49.220 It's on my screen.

05:44:50.360 Okay. Do you recognize what's depicted in that still image?

05:44:53.900 I do, yes.

05:44:54.420 What is that?

05:44:55.240 It's the area underneath the Hall of Flags that I referred to as the Breezeway.

05:44:59.980 Okay.

05:45:00.900 And is this the beginning of the video?

05:45:03.880 It is, yes.

05:45:05.020 Okay.

05:45:05.440 And then Mr. Olson provided you?

05:45:07.980 Yes.

05:45:09.380 Judge, the state would see, well, the state asks or seeks to admit Exhibit 9.

05:45:15.800 With regards to publication, this is another video that due to a sensitive,

05:45:20.620 the nature and the graphic nature of the video.

05:45:25.240 We'd ask that it not be published here in the courtroom,

05:45:28.100 nor published in any way that the media camera could capture it.

05:45:32.980 And following your...

05:45:36.080 Yeah, no after hours tonight, guys.

05:45:37.460 I am going to do this stream and go to sleep, dude.

05:45:39.780 I still haven't slept all night, man.

05:45:42.680 Reasoning judge, out of deference to the victims and the victims' rights,

05:45:46.780 to have this type of information protected.

05:45:50.180 Ms. Nester.

05:45:52.740 Thank you, Your Honor.

05:45:53.460 We would object on our standing objection grounds, constitutional issues in terms of the concern about Mr. Robinson's right to a fair trial.

05:46:03.660 We agree it should not be published.

05:46:05.220 We object to its admissibility.

05:46:07.160 Thank you.

05:46:09.560 Based off my analysis that I apply independently to this exhibit, but it tracks with the previous exhibits, I find that it is admissible.

05:46:18.960 Also, guys, real quick, show some love.

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05:47:09.140 give it a follow i dropped it in the tiktok chat and the uh kick chat but anyway back to the trial

05:47:17.680 and we'll admit it into evidence this is state's exhibit i believe nine

05:47:23.380 mr sturgill play it no hold on i'm sorry this is state's exhibit nine right correct all right

05:47:32.020 as it relates to publication in the courtroom or by the media again citing to the utah

05:47:38.340 constitution article 1 section 28 1a it states to be treated with fairness respect and dignity

05:47:46.100 and to be free from harassment and abuse throughout the criminal justice process.

05:47:51.520 I find that this does apply.

05:47:54.260 And in respect to respect and dignity and the human experience,

05:48:00.580 I am going to not publish it in the courtroom, nor will it be broadcast,

05:48:06.220 but the court will watch it in open court.

05:48:09.840 And I note it is about...

05:48:13.160 How long is this video?

05:48:15.180 three minutes

05:48:18.220 all right again to the parties if you could just indicate if your screen is obscure thank you

05:48:29.020 miss nester and to the state are your screens secure so they're not viewable all right thank

05:48:37.720 you seeing mr mcbride nod his head we can go ahead to the state uh representative go ahead

05:48:43.780 and play States Exhibit 9.

05:48:47.680 And if there's sound, if you could activate sound.

05:48:49.800 I'm not sure if there is.

05:48:54.560 All right.

05:48:55.160 So there is.

05:48:56.960 All right.

05:48:57.440 Let's go ahead and replay it.

05:48:58.520 I just wanted to clarify there is no audio, so let's go ahead and restart it.

05:49:03.900 Thank you.

05:49:13.780 Thank you.

05:49:43.780 Definitely your choice.

05:49:45.060 So you are aware that the medical examiner's office did conduct an autopsy?

05:49:48.920 I am, yes.

05:49:49.580 Okay.

05:49:50.220 And did you...

05:49:51.780 Okay, now we're getting into the autopsy.

05:49:53.360 Did you receive a report from the medical examiner's office?

05:49:57.080 I did, yes.

05:49:58.120 Okay.

05:49:58.780 Detailing the autopsy that was performed?

05:50:04.020 Yes.

05:50:05.520 Prior to receiving the report, myself and Agent Davis visited with the doctor.

05:50:10.040 Okay.

05:50:10.260 You visited personally with the doctor that conducted the autopsy?

05:50:13.080 That's correct.

05:50:13.780 okay and then subsequent to that they might show images of this uh but obviously they're not gonna

05:50:19.380 we're not we probably won't see it did you discuss the autopsy with the doctor at that

05:50:23.140 point in time when you're meeting with him personally yes agent davis and i had a fairly

05:50:27.140 in-depth conversation yes and where did that conversation take place at the medical examiner's

05:50:32.020 office okay do you recall the date and time that that personal visit took place i don't i don't

05:50:37.780 recall was it was it was soon it was soon after within within a few days of

05:50:43.360 the incident of the autopsy yes okay and subsequent subsequent to that visit did

05:50:49.000 you receive a report from that that doctor that you visited with we did yes

05:50:54.520 okay and that's the dr. Guajardo that you're trying you're struggling to

05:51:00.640 pronounce his name is that yeah I apologize but yes that's who it is and

05:51:03.820 And the report that was sent to you, do you recall when you received that report?

05:51:09.980 I don't recall the specific date.

05:51:12.140 Okay.

05:51:13.420 Have you reviewed that report?

05:51:15.180 Yes.

05:51:18.680 Have you reviewed, have you, again, you stated earlier that this is not the first murder investigation that you've worked?

05:51:25.140 Correct.

05:51:25.960 Okay.

05:51:26.620 This is, I take it, this is not the first medical examiner's report you've received?

05:51:31.140 Correct.

05:51:31.740 Okay.

05:51:32.000 Okay. Do the reports typically look the same?

05:51:36.560 Yes, they're in a standard format that the medical examiner uses.

05:51:40.300 Okay, and this report that you received from who you believe was the doctor you spoke to

05:51:45.140 that conducted the medical exam, was there anything peculiar about that particular report that stood out to you?

05:51:52.320 No, it appeared to be a standard form as used by the medical examiner when they send us reports.

05:51:58.220 Okay.

05:52:02.000 On your monitor, Exhibit 11, I'm going to have displayed what's been marked,

05:52:07.820 State's Exhibit No. 11, Judge for Identification.

05:52:11.520 Right.

05:52:13.220 And I believe there's nine pages.

05:52:15.920 So let me know when you see that on your screen.

05:52:18.380 It's on the screen.

05:52:19.520 All right.

05:52:19.960 What I'd like you to do is just look at this as it scrolls down through the nine pages

05:52:25.360 and wait until we get to the very end.

05:52:28.460 And if you need us to pause or stop or slow down, let us know.

05:52:32.000 I want you to be able to look at all nine pages.

05:53:02.000 Did you get a look at that?

05:53:25.180 Yes, sir.

05:53:25.780 Okay.

05:53:26.560 Do you recognize what that is?

05:53:28.620 Yes.

05:53:29.100 What is that?

05:53:31.080 That's the medical examiner's report of examination for Mr. Kirk.

05:53:36.720 Do you recall, you don't recall exactly when you received that?

05:53:40.580 I don't, unfortunately, remember the specific date when I received it.

05:53:43.840 Do you remember how you received it?

05:53:45.800 Then provided to us electronically.

05:53:48.020 Okay, via email?

05:53:50.380 Sometimes via email, also on disk, compact disk.

05:53:53.620 Okay.

05:53:55.040 And does there appear to be anything in the exhibit before you?

05:54:00.080 Has that report changed? 0.63

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05:54:13.360 Or does it accurately depict what you received initially from the doctor?

05:54:20.940 It accurately depicts it.

05:54:23.840 Does the state would seek to admit Exhibit 11?

05:54:28.580 Ms. Nestor.

05:54:29.180 Your Honor, this is an expert report without the expert being present, being offered by an individual who's not an expert in this field.

05:54:38.540 If they're presenting him as an expert in this field based on the limited questions about it.

05:54:43.700 Bro, this is what she's going to do.

05:54:46.060 She's going to say, oh, wait, he's not the medical examiner.

05:54:50.260 Get us the medical examiner.

05:54:51.360 it's not good enough that he's a lead agent and he interviewed all these people and he put the

05:55:01.760 case together nope i want the actual people he talked to hey i gotta give her credit she's trying

05:55:09.180 dude she's trying this is only a preliminary just to let you guys know preliminary hearings

05:55:16.340 at most last like one to two hours okay and that's when it's intense

05:55:19.720 all right this is like a mini trial almost experience and seeing previous medical exam

05:55:29.980 records i'd like to voir dire on his his qualifications to opine about it um this is

05:55:35.900 hearsay it's highly technical it should be presented only through an expert it could

05:55:41.960 never come in in trial in any other way um we submit that it is hearsay um and to the extent

05:55:49.640 they're going to ask this individual about any opinions about it um that would be improper he's

05:55:55.080 not qualified to do that um and furthermore we just she's correct he isn't qualified to do that

05:56:02.340 however when it comes to establishing probable cause which is what this hearing is for which is

05:56:10.100 an extremely low standard it will suffice i think that this is clearly falling under our

05:56:17.060 constitutional concerns about the but again she's yeah she's yeah that's what she's going to keep

05:56:22.000 saying constitutional concerns about tala robbins's ability to get a fair trial absence of our ability

05:56:28.400 to be effective to cross-examine to question the we can't even question the experts experience or

05:56:36.060 CV or anything that we would normally do to determine if this should even be accepted

05:56:39.960 or considered by the court. And so we strenuously object to

05:56:44.000 its admission and for all those reasons to its publication as well.

05:56:48.880 There is also, there's some really personal things

05:56:52.060 in there that shouldn't ever be published that deal with Mr. Kirk's

05:56:56.480 medical condition, history

05:56:59.400 is the condition of his body. It shouldn't be published,

05:57:04.060 your honor thank you to the state judge this is clearly uh reliable hearsay admissible under rule

05:57:13.320 1102 of the utah rules of evidence um i would direct you specifically to subsection we all

05:57:20.480 know what 1102 is now at this point huh and b5 um for purposes of rules of evidence for the state

05:57:28.840 Utah. And I'm quoting the rule for purposes of criminal preliminary examinations only. Reliable

05:57:34.340 hearsay includes in subsection five specifically states medical and autopsy reports and records.

05:57:40.840 Again that is supported by article one section 12 of the Utah constitution which states that

05:57:46.340 reliable hearsay can be relied upon at preliminary examination in whole or in part.

05:57:51.780 And to the second part in regards to publication. As far as the publication judge um we uh we

05:57:58.660 agree with Ms. Nester. This is a document that does

05:58:02.680 contain very sensitive information and information that

05:58:06.380 Mr. Kirk's family would appreciate it not being published.

05:58:10.760 So although we seek to admit it, we'd ask that it not be published here in the

05:58:14.580 courtroom or that it be published in any fashion or way that the

05:58:18.600 public can see it by virtue of a camera. Ms. Nester.

05:58:22.260 Your Honor, I just want to point out that even though 1102 has a provision

05:58:26.560 about um exams i mean the court still has the overarching mission under 1102 to make this

05:58:33.900 reliability finding right and and it's just completely in a vacuum being offered by someone

05:58:38.760 who's a police officer um so again we would just argue that you're just not it's i guess the medical

05:58:46.440 examiner report isn't good enough huh they need to have the person there to actually testify to

05:58:50.060 the report okay it's hampering you for making the analysis you need to make to admit it and we

05:58:54.560 object to it all right anything further yeah she's gonna object to everything they're from

05:58:59.800 the party it's gonna be one of those no you're wrong no sir all right so again relying upon the

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05:59:52.580 when i do true crime like this i can cover it on tiktok but i ain't gonna lie to you i can't

05:59:58.300 cover everything else i'll get banned it relates to reliable hearsay and then turning to

06:00:04.860 Utah Rules of Evidence, Rule 1102, B-5, specifically notes medical and autopsy reports and records.

06:00:17.540 The court is going to overrule the objection.

06:00:20.820 Get out of here.

06:00:26.480 B-5 is to reliable hearsay and then turning to.

06:00:31.480 So now that's all my reliable hearsay.

06:00:32.860 Utah rules of evidence

06:00:36.200 rule 1102

06:00:37.300 B5

06:00:39.500 specifically notes medical and autopsy

06:00:42.200 reports and records

06:00:44.160 the court is going to

06:00:46.260 overrule the objection

06:00:47.120 so they can be used

06:00:48.360 and admit

06:00:49.980 states exhibit

06:00:52.340 I believe it's 11

06:00:54.000 11 yes sir

06:00:55.800 citing to Utah

06:00:59.680 he gave her the yeet

06:01:00.800 it's coming in defense constitution article 1 section 28 dignity portion respect and dignity

06:01:12.280 it will not be published either in the courtroom or viewable on media by the the camera for the

06:01:21.000 reasons previously stated as it relates to the video and so the court will receive it

06:01:27.040 and it is admitted into evidence.

06:01:31.780 And that concludes that portion.

06:01:35.560 Mr. Sturgill, is this a good point to stop

06:01:37.560 to take our 15-minute afternoon break?

06:01:39.800 I think it would be a great idea, Judge.

06:01:41.160 I've just got one last question.

06:01:42.980 All right.

06:01:43.880 With respect to the medical examiner's report.

06:01:48.300 Agent Hole, in that report,

06:01:51.580 does the doctor relate cause and manner of death?

06:01:55.620 He does, yes.

06:01:56.440 okay and in that report what is the stated cause of death uh it was stated as a murder

06:02:02.040 and uh manner of death there's a gunshot wound to the neck

06:02:06.200 all right i object it's not stated i knew it i knew that was coming bro

06:02:14.160 it is a murder i believe it's stated as a homicide which is an important distinction

06:02:22.200 I'll go back and correct that.

06:02:24.200 All right.

06:02:24.520 So I'm going to sustain it.

06:02:26.140 Well, first of all, let me look at the report.

06:02:28.420 I need to see that section.

06:02:29.840 I need to be able to draw my own conclusion.

06:02:33.880 So, okay, I see.

06:02:35.800 Ms. Nester, are you referring to page one of this report?

06:02:39.940 I'm sorry, Your Honor.

06:02:40.860 Could you repeat that?

06:02:41.940 I apologize.

06:02:42.700 As it relates to your objection for the misstatements,

06:02:46.980 are you looking at page one of the report?

06:02:52.080 Yes.

06:02:52.920 All right.

06:02:54.260 Your Honor, I also need to make an objection on the best evidence rule, too.

06:02:58.620 Thank you.

06:02:59.600 All right.

06:03:00.160 So I'm going to sustain the objection as it relates to the manner of death.

06:03:04.060 It does not say murder, but in regards to the best evidence rule, again, under 1102 and the Utah Constitution that permits reliable hearsay,

06:03:15.760 it is, States Exhibit 11 is admitted.

06:03:22.020 Mr. Sturgill.

06:03:23.920 Agent Hull, I'm going to ask you.

06:03:25.520 So that's considered a reliable hearsay because it's a report.

06:03:27.960 Get a look at the first page of Exhibit 11.

06:03:32.440 No?

06:03:33.460 Yes, I see that.

06:03:34.480 Yes.

06:03:34.900 Okay.

06:03:35.560 So let me ask you again.

06:03:38.000 And you can look at it.

06:03:39.720 Yeah.

06:03:40.160 And would you mind relating what the doctor reports as the manner of death?

06:03:45.540 Yes, I misspoke.

06:03:46.700 It does say homicide.

06:03:48.080 And then the immediate cause of death.

06:03:50.420 Gunshot wound of the neck.

06:03:51.460 nothing further judge well at this moment i think it'd be a great idea that we take a 15 minute

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06:08:11.860 Yeah, so like when I get POSs that do chargebacks and bullshit like that, you guys can support the mission. 0.90

06:08:18.760 I appreciate y'all ninjas.

06:08:20.260 I'll drop the link in here for you guys. 0.99

06:08:22.440 Dude is a real scumbag for that, dude. 0.99

06:08:23.760 I'm so pissed off. 1.00

06:08:24.520 i was dealing with that crap this morning dude literally dude like incredible incredible what 0.99

06:08:32.160 a scumbag but yeah i'll see i'm uh appealing and i got all of his transactions i had to show 1.00

06:08:39.240 that the service is rendered and we'll go from there but yeah dude what a scumbag bro what a 0.99

06:08:45.120 scumbag gg season uh is this investigator british sounds like it yep this is why i've never liked 0.99

06:08:53.000 scammers bro oh my god dude they deserve jail on a whole other level what's up myron oss takeover

06:09:01.440 on tiktok i appreciate you my friend yeah uh brett should be giving you guys a bunch of uh

06:09:06.120 mod things and here's the thing it sucks for you guys because now you guys can't like get 0.93

06:09:10.780 involved in a show with myrongainsex.com because some dude decided to be a moron 0.98

06:09:13.700 you know what i mean he ruins it for everybody 0.99

06:09:18.380 so

06:09:22.180 not sure if you covered the air force officer that was arrested no i didn't hear about that

06:09:30.440 i'll take a look

06:09:38.760 also guys don't forget to give this facebook page a follow what are we at here

06:09:45.180 979 almost at a thousand so check this out israel's words isolate iran uh isolate israel instead

06:09:53.920 so basically the gulf man saudi's leading talks to pull iran into a regional security

06:10:02.020 pact a non-aggression framework built on cold war europe's helensky model less washington more

06:10:07.260 neighbors qatar's prime minister put it plainly part of what we are doing now as regional countries

06:10:12.340 is to create this regional security framework

06:10:13.900 between us and Iran.

06:10:15.840 Nothing is signed, and plenty of Gulf capitals

06:10:17.960 still don't trust Tehran an inch,

06:10:20.140 but the direction is unmistakable. 0.55

06:10:22.020 Iran gets drawn in, and Israel gets left standing outside.

06:10:24.720 Because remember, guys, 0.82

06:10:26.240 now their Gulf states are realizing

06:10:27.580 that the United States can't protect them, 0.93

06:10:29.420 and they're also realizing that Israel is reckless 0.82

06:10:31.920 and will start wars.

06:10:36.780 This war has been a big, big red pill

06:10:39.040 for um for the golf states dude big big red pill for them so a lot of them are waking up man a lot

06:10:50.760 of them are waking up so um let's see here what else we got let me look for this air force officer

06:11:03.460 that you guys messed with um army mel says don't agree with 100 of your takes but you made it to

06:11:09.360 the front page of rumble need more debates got to give you credit a lot of people uh do

06:11:14.560 do duck

06:11:17.460 i'm on the front page rumble right now i don't think i am dude

06:11:23.660 no i'm not on the front page rumble dude

06:11:31.060 uh

06:11:34.420 Let's see here.

06:11:37.420 Let's go Army officer, right?

06:11:43.460 Was it Army or Air Force?

06:11:50.400 Act through the Air Force Major Jason Watson

06:11:52.480 arrested the Capitol for calling for Trump impeachment.

06:11:57.380 Who do you serve? Who do you present?

06:11:59.700 The president and vice president must be impeached,

06:12:02.740 convicted and removed

06:12:03.940 impeach, convict, remove

06:12:17.360 okay, is this the guy you're talking about, dude?

06:12:22.380 hold on, let me just make sure I have the right one

06:12:24.380 shout out to all you guys on TikTok, man

06:12:27.620 Brett's going to take care of you guys

06:12:29.080 okay, Air Force officer, yeah, I think this is him

06:12:32.740 what did they arrest them for

06:12:41.260 trespassing maybe

06:12:43.640 thanks to all you guys that joined up in the oss just now i appreciate you guys man

06:12:58.160 makes me feel a little bit better about the um loser that uh did all the chargebacks

06:13:05.760 it's crazy because he sent in super chats and i read them all and he still did that you know 0.67

06:13:10.880 i mean it's like bro i i hate scammers dude i hate scammers so much 0.54

06:13:14.600 if if the paypal doesn't come back i am literally gonna i'm gonna we're gonna roast that dude i 0.54

06:13:25.680 have his email address and everything we're gonna we're gonna cook him you don't do that to people

06:13:30.260 dude that's literally stealing uh speedy says did you hear ben gavir cancels the trip to nyc because

06:13:35.880 of calls for his arrest i believe it snow young says apparently uh that hearsay law

06:13:41.460 same into effect your okay snow young bro please man come on guys bro i tell you guys all the time

06:13:47.700 in oss bro please grammar and spell check before you guys send super chats in bro

06:13:55.680 like please bro what is this

06:14:04.160 i think what you mean to say is apparently that hearsay law came into effect

06:14:10.600 this year in may that's what valhalla was saying not sure if it's true

06:14:14.660 no that that's always been the general when it comes to hearsay bro

06:14:19.900 yeah i don't want to put him on blast yet because i'm gonna try to get a handle with paypal

06:14:28.340 i don't want to come off as like vindictive or whatever but he's ruining your guys's like

06:14:33.460 because a lot of you guys like might not watch on kick or some of you guys don't know how to

06:14:37.020 super chat whatever on oss so he kind of like ruined your guys ability to ask questions

06:14:41.980 you know what i mean for no reason for absolutely no reason

06:14:46.080 yeah i i won't expose them until it's like last last resort dude i'm gonna try to i'm gonna try

06:14:54.620 to resolve it amicably first i'm gonna try to resolve it amicably first oh what's up frank

06:15:02.020 you want to say what's up to everybody come on over i'm on tiktok your favorite platform oh okay

06:15:07.380 you want to say what's up to everybody

06:15:10.640 yeah i love you too

06:15:16.080 how you doing you good okay all right all right

06:15:26.360 all right he always wags his tail

06:15:38.680 all right let's see okay the they're still going

06:15:46.080 septic fury 10 bucks appreciate you my friend

06:15:52.020 appreciate you guys showing love i really do

06:15:56.120 helps with the headaches okay um there was something else i wanted to show you guys

06:16:04.000 let me check uh

06:16:11.600 what's going on with youtube real quick

06:16:13.280 wait did Gideon really quit YouTube

06:16:21.860 yo ain't no way

06:16:24.360 did Gideon quit YouTube

06:16:27.160 folks a notorious YouTube prankster

06:16:32.720 and pred catcher Gideon

06:16:34.180 has just announced that he is

06:16:36.260 fully quitting streaming

06:16:37.640 after the backlash that's all related

06:16:40.040 to him getting arrested

06:16:41.020 oh yeah Brett

06:16:41.820 brett needs to drop the clip of i broke down the whole um

06:16:45.020 i literally broke down the the whole jideon thing

06:16:51.280 and yelling at the cops that he's a multi-millionaire after a video where he basically

06:17:02.520 yeah that was bad that's what happens when you become rich young dude you become you get me you

06:17:08.120 become a you become a pompous uh rude individual bro being rich young is is the worst thing that

06:17:15.860 can happen to you as a man bro he tried to prank a squatter out of a house went terribly wrong so

06:17:21.540 he just released an apology video that i think is very very interesting where he announced that he

06:17:25.720 is completely done with streaming forever he's never gonna stream again i don't believe that

06:17:29.660 i don't believe that he also said that he was gonna make like christian content

06:17:35.820 bro you guys gotta understand you can't when you're someone like jadeon and you're getting

06:17:40.460 millions of views like you can't you know his ego got the best of him you know i mean he's in his

06:17:45.300 20s he ain't going nowhere bro and i'll be honest with y'all like he's not really a smart guy so

06:17:50.780 it's like he doesn't really have any other skill sets besides like making videos you know i mean

06:17:54.940 like he won't be able to like convert his skill sets from like doing youtube to like

06:18:00.600 do something else that make sense like i'm not trying to be a jerk or whatever but it's like

06:18:04.920 just the truth he's been rich since his young 20s early 20s never really developed any other 0.93

06:18:10.760 skill sets before besides like pranking and making content like there's no way he's not

06:18:15.120 gonna he's gonna stop streaming uh bb says was it the one dial doing chargebacks on his ebt card

06:18:22.580 no it wasn't him me when i see frank now yawn uh they're saying mitch mcconnell's brain dead

06:18:32.000 Oh, that's horrible, man.

06:18:37.200 And he's basically throwing his hands up and said he was wrong,

06:18:39.780 and he's bowing out of the game.

06:18:41.000 Okay, they're back.

06:18:43.940 Priority was to identify the shooter.

06:18:45.720 We're back in, chat. We're back in.

06:18:47.280 And to that end, you started reviewing even more UVU video

06:18:51.720 than you've already described?

06:18:53.080 Correct, yes.

06:18:53.840 Okay.

06:18:54.040 Okay. What, if anything else, either did you do or happened initially that helped you identify who that shooter was?

06:19:11.100 So there was hundreds of hours of video that was reviewed, but the predominant focus, again, was on tracking the individual from the roof,

06:19:20.880 either after the shooting had occurred

06:19:23.520 or trying to trace the steps of the individual prior to the shooting.

06:19:28.580 And we were able to do that through a combined effort of individuals.

06:19:35.580 And the focus was having people reviewing video identify people

06:19:39.940 who could fit the original description of the individual that jumped off the roof.

06:19:45.460 Okay. At that point, so at this point, approximately how many hours of UVU video do you think you personally had seen or watched?

06:19:57.420 Myself, maybe 10 or 20 hours of video being called in to look at different camera angles and different views of individuals.

06:20:09.300 But there was a large team of people reviewing video.

06:20:13.100 Okay. Reviewing video?

06:20:14.540 yeah from the view or so yeah and that's common guys with cases like this like i remember for the

06:20:20.580 um uh the um oh my god um the boston marathon bombing case bro i was looking at video

06:20:29.520 like dude like you get oh it's all hands on deck when when you got something like that

06:20:34.380 you know i remember reviewing video uh back in 2013 when i was working for the government

06:20:40.520 with that with that case of them sbi agents yes correct and combined uh how much video do you

06:20:47.980 think you watched that first day on the 10th it would be in the tens or hundreds of hours of video

06:20:54.100 was reviewed okay uh did anything else come along that helped you identify who that shooter might be

06:21:00.540 Yeah, eventually on the evening of the 11th, we received word from Washington County

06:21:09.720 that an individual in that area had reached out to law enforcement

06:21:16.400 and was wanting to turn themselves in for the incident at UVU.

06:21:21.760 Okay.

06:21:22.620 And did you, at that point in time, did you receive a name from Washington County?

06:21:26.360 Yes, we did.

06:21:27.460 And what was that name?

06:21:28.280 Tyler Robinson.

06:21:30.540 What, if anything, did you do with that information, the name title, Robinson?

06:21:35.240 That information was given to our SIAC or our state information and analysis group,

06:21:41.140 and they put together what would be called a workup.

06:21:44.000 So they would look at driver's license records, DMV records to determine addresses,

06:21:50.740 obtain pictures of individuals, and then any associated vehicles or things like that.

06:21:55.740 Now, to be honest with you guys, I run my own checks. 0.99

06:21:58.000 I don't like giving it to analysts to do that shit. 0.96

06:21:59.740 that was actually one of my favorite things to do was get all their stuff right um but you know 0.99

06:22:05.080 you could give it to one of the analysts and do that for you they run them through all the dmv

06:22:08.180 records everything you got addresses utility listings all that so was that done with mr

06:22:12.900 robinson it was yes driver's license record was pulled yes did that include if you remember or

06:22:18.320 do you know did that include a photograph of mr robinson it did include a photograph of mr

06:22:22.620 robinson yes how about an address and date of birth there was an address and a date of birth

06:22:27.540 and I believe a DMV record with an associated vehicle.

06:22:31.320 All right.

06:22:31.620 So that DMV record did include a vehicle that was associated with Mr. Robinson?

06:22:36.140 Correct.

06:22:37.000 Okay.

06:22:38.280 Do you remember what the make and model of the vehicle was

06:22:43.480 that was tied to Mr. Robinson?

06:22:45.100 The Dodge Challenger.

06:22:47.960 Anything else beyond that that you remember?

06:22:50.120 It was silver in color,

06:22:51.780 and I believe there were two registered owners of the vehicle.

06:22:55.520 Okay.

06:22:55.780 And who were the registered owners?

06:22:56.880 Mr. Robinson and then his mother. Do you recall whether or not a date of birth

06:23:02.340 was included in that driver's license information that you got initially? Yeah

06:23:06.880 I believe the actual driver's license record was shared so it would have

06:23:10.120 included a date of birth. All right with Mr. well with Tyler Robinson's personal

06:23:18.280 information were you able to expand your search at all yes once we knew a vehicle that we were

06:23:27.740 looking for and we had an actual image of the individual then we were able to use that video

06:23:35.280 footage to to try and track that specific individual okay and I'm sorry let me clarify

06:23:40.860 So when I said expand your search, I'm referencing the UVU surveillance video.

06:23:48.020 Yes, we were able to.

06:23:49.720 Okay.

06:23:51.160 And were you able to identify in that expanded search, or did you believe you located that challenger?

06:24:00.200 We did, yes.

06:24:01.220 Okay. Were you able to determine at what time or times Mr. Robinson visited the UVU campus on September 10th?

06:24:12.640 Yeah, we were able to establish that Mr. Robinson had been on campus approximately four times throughout the day, twice before the shooting, the time of the shooting, and then after the shooting later in the evening into the early hours of the 11th.

06:24:31.220 hey tiktok people if you guys want me to stay on tiktok you guys better smash

06:24:38.440 that button what are we sitting at we're at 84 we need a 200k guys

06:24:42.960 we need 200k 200k 200k ninjas 200k

06:24:50.060 200k and i'll stay on tiktok a little bit longer otherwise i'm gonna go straight to kick

06:24:59.160 Let's go, Ninjas.

06:25:02.480 You said that you initially tracked the shooter forward and backward with UVU surveillance video.

06:25:11.720 Correct.

06:25:12.340 Okay.

06:25:13.080 Did you do the same thing with that vehicle?

06:25:16.220 We did, yes.

06:25:17.220 Okay.

06:25:17.860 Tracked it forward and backward?

06:25:19.700 Yes, using the UVU footage and additional information that was obtained, yes.

06:25:24.860 and I believe you said that in total Mr. Robinson visited the UVU campus four times that day

06:25:32.840 yes that's correct and let's just be clear that's all based on UVU surveillance video

06:25:38.200 is that fair to say that's correct yes okay have you um have you reviewed what's been marked

06:25:47.200 States Exhibit 12.1 for identification? I have, yes. Okay. And, well, let me, before we go there,

06:25:54.940 of the video that you have personally watched,

06:26:00.520 does the video include the 10th and the 11th or just the 10th? The video I've seen includes the

06:26:08.160 10th and then a very small portion, I think, about 030 of the 11th. Okay. And I think you said

06:26:14.320 initially you watched about 20 hours of video? Yes. Since that time have you

06:26:19.080 watched additional video? Yes. UVU surveillance video? Yes. Okay and who

06:26:24.920 provided the UVU surveillance video to you? It was part of the collection of

06:26:30.200 videos that was provided by Mr. Olson and his team that we already discussed

06:26:35.440 previously okay of the of all the hours of video that you've watched do you have

06:26:45.280 an idea of how many hours include mr. Robinson or his vehicle just with UVU or

06:26:53.860 just with UVU I'm sorry just with UVU

06:26:59.220 It would probably be about 16 hours.

06:27:03.980 And let's be clear, this is someone you believe to be Tyler Robinson.

06:27:08.040 Correct.

06:27:09.380 And this person that you've identified as Tyler Robinson that you've been investigating

06:27:15.060 and that you viewed in the numerous hours of video from UVU,

06:27:19.620 would you recognize that person if he were in the courtroom today?

06:27:22.700 Yes.

06:27:23.260 Is he in the courtroom today?

06:27:24.520 He is, yes.

06:27:25.280 Would you point him out and describe something that he's wearing?

06:27:27.980 i know we object to um of course of course we object he can't identify i'm in the courtroom

06:27:38.060 even though he's right next to me unduly suggestive in court identification for constitutional grounds

06:27:45.040 do you wish to specify an unduly constitutional

06:27:54.980 I'm trying to understand your objections I want to make sure I fully understand

06:27:59.300 your honor I think there's some you know deferred to

06:28:02.500 Mr. Byrd if he wants to jump in but I believe there's a long line

06:28:07.380 of case law that says and you ask someone to identify the defendant

06:28:11.580 when they're the only person, you know, sitting at the table with defense counsel,

06:28:16.840 that that's unduly suggestive and taints any future or past, well, definitely future, identification.

06:28:26.700 So we object to that happening in this fashion at this time.

06:28:30.760 Mr. Sturgill.

06:28:32.200 Judge, Agent Hull has testified that he has watched numerous hours of video.

06:28:38.280 Well, take a step back.

06:28:39.860 He has looked at personal identifying information of an individual by the name of Tyler Robinson.

06:28:46.900 He's looked at the driver's license record, and he's also looked at the DMV records

06:28:50.860 and has been able to determine what car that person drives.

06:28:54.880 He's also looked at surveillance video that he believes depicts this Tyler Robinson.

06:29:00.960 And I've simply asked him if that person that he has seen,

06:29:05.220 both in driver's license photos and the surveillance video if that person is here in the courtroom

06:29:12.900 today and i don't know that that's unduly prejudicial or suggestive it's the routine

06:29:19.840 i i don't know of any other way to do it other than the way i just did it judge

06:29:23.700 all right well i wanted to verify the format of the question i would remember it in my mind

06:29:29.320 But to Ms. Nestor, was that an accurate portrayal of the question that was asked?

06:29:35.240 Yes.

06:29:35.700 Okay.

06:29:38.060 Mr. Sturgill, anything further before I issue my ruling?

06:29:41.240 No, other than Judge, I believe it's worth noting that Mr. Robinson is in plain clothes.

06:29:48.020 Well, he's in plain clothes.

06:29:51.100 Counsel, please approach the bench.

06:29:59.620 All right, they're going to do a quick little sidebar.

06:30:02.060 Yeah, the defense is going to do anything, bro, to like, you know,

06:30:05.900 try to, you know, deflect here and there.

06:30:09.940 So they're obviously turning off the mic so they can talk a little bit.

06:30:29.320 so check this out guys

06:30:33.240 Scottie Pippen

06:30:34.040 is dating

06:30:37.380 hold on

06:30:44.140 we got like a rainstorm here or something 0.99

06:30:46.020 he's got a 23 year old girlfriend

06:30:50.740 and everyone's all mad about it

06:30:52.600 meanwhile his

06:30:55.100 ex-wife

06:30:56.340 52 years old ran through

06:30:58.820 cooked

06:30:59.620 all right uh here's what i'm talking about based off of what's been presented in court

06:31:11.700 i'm not having it back to the true crime finding that particular question

06:31:15.320 as previously posed as suggestive um i find for the purposes of this hearing only keep smashing

06:31:23.820 that like button guys that's what gets the views up i'm figuring it out let's get to 250 ninjas

06:31:28.140 Let's get to 250.

06:31:29.320 Yeah, that'd be Scottie Piven, facts.

06:31:31.360 The in-court identification by Agent Hull of Mr. Robinson.

06:31:35.980 And follow the page.

06:31:36.700 If you guys enjoy a true crime, follow the page.

06:31:39.500 Follow the page, ninjas.

06:31:41.140 Has been made.

06:31:42.060 Again, this only relates to the preliminary hearing, and you may proceed.

06:31:46.500 Thank you, Judge.

06:31:48.600 Agent Hull, have you reviewed what's been marked state's exhibit 12.1 for identification?

06:31:53.480 I have, yes.

06:31:55.340 And where did you review that video?

06:31:57.680 was provided to me I reviewed it on my computer in my office okay and and is

06:32:06.740 that the first time that you've seen this particular video footage this

06:32:11.040 particular version of the footage yes okay so this particular version the

06:32:14.600 first time but have you seen the video that that that comprises I guess exhibit

06:32:25.100 12.1 yeah I have seen the original videos if that's your question yes so so

06:32:30.560 what is state's exhibit 12.1 how would you describe it I would describe it as

06:32:35.960 a compilation of the video that we obtained from Utah Valley University

06:32:41.340 during the course of the investigation that depicts the movements of the

06:32:46.780 individual I believe to be mr. Robinson moving around the campus on September

06:32:50.900 10th 2025 into the morning of september 11th 2025 did you prepare uh this video compilation

06:32:58.660 i did not okay do you know who did uh yes utah county attorney's office i believe ms derfleur

06:33:04.220 is the one that produced the video okay do you know ms derfleur's first name kimberly okay

06:33:08.780 uh what if anything did you do to authenticate the video uh in this compilation i reviewed the

06:33:16.760 video to make sure that it was a reflection of what I understood the

06:33:21.200 original videos to show okay what if anything else did you do I reviewed it

06:33:30.320 I know that there was some some zooms and some changes to the footage okay did

06:33:36.440 you meet with mr. Olson with regards to this particular video yes this video was

06:33:41.360 also part of that original meeting with mr. Olson for the prior exhibit yes okay

06:33:45.860 So at the same time you sat down with Mr. Olson and

06:33:49.340 Discussed the the prior exhibit

06:33:52.100 And let's just be clear which exhibit that is

06:34:00.600 So I believe the well the the 1102 statement that you gathered from him is exhibit 12.3 correct? Yes

06:34:07.860 So the same time that you gathered that 12.3 or that that

06:34:11.500 Written statement that is states exhibit 12.3

06:34:14.520 you talked to him about this specific exhibit as well yes mr. Olson was shown

06:34:19.560 this exhibit and did he include that in that 1102 statement yeah I believe he

06:34:25.900 specifically referenced the exhibit by name stating that it was a true

06:34:29.520 reflection of the footage from the campus

06:34:34.220 and let's just go back to what you were stating earlier um to you it appears to be a compilation

06:34:47.060 of videos that you've already seen correct that you received as a mass dump i guess for lack of

06:34:52.700 we're sitting at 210 guys let's get it up to 250 let's go 250 ninjas 250 quarter quarter million

06:34:58.280 taps better term if you view video is that fair to say yes okay and the the

06:35:05.780 exhibit 12.1 does it appear to be the same as the the raw video that you've

06:35:14.960 seen previously it does yes are there are there some minor are there any added

06:35:21.380 additions or anything different about this particular exhibit there are some

06:35:24.520 portions of the video where um a zoom is initiated which wasn't a function of the cameras

06:35:29.400 i believe some specific individuals have been blurred from the footage

06:35:33.060 and i believe there are some red circles to show thank you guys for tapping bro we're gonna take

06:35:38.960 over on tiktok if i honestly if i um if i just start um doing true crime on here for you guys

06:35:46.220 like we'll take over bro literally we will take over if i just come over here and just do true

06:35:51.520 crime because i'll be honest the other stuff is going to get me banned bro i can't say the other

06:35:55.240 stuff i want to talk about but i could i could uh go on tiktok for the true crime poignant

06:35:59.540 information or individuals within the footage itself okay so other than the red circles the blur

06:36:04.880 and the zoom uh does it appear to accurately who was on the stand this is uh special agent

06:36:10.800 david ho with the uh state bureau of investigation guys sbi it's right here he was the lead

06:36:15.780 investigator in the beginning of the charlie kirk assassination you depict uh what you've seen in the

06:36:21.100 So he did a lot of the early investigative stuff?

06:36:24.980 I believe so, yes.

06:36:32.620 On your screen, I'm going to have displayed an image.

06:36:39.040 Let me know when you see it.

06:36:51.100 that image is there now it's gone again

06:37:00.740 is it there we're back okay we're back so do you recognize what this is yeah this is the first

06:37:11.700 frame of the video compilation that we just referenced and again this video portrays what

06:37:19.700 you believe is mr. Robinson visiting campus that day correct okay and is it

06:37:23.360 throughout the day it is yes and then I believe he said into the early morning

06:37:27.100 hours of the 11th is that right correct

06:37:37.860 just as the state would see there would move to admit what's been marked states

06:37:43.760 Exhibit 12.1. Ms. Nestor. Your Honor, we have objections to its admissibility. This is a compilation video that was put together from a bunch of different sources by the county attorney's office.

06:38:05.620 This individual did not create this compilation, can't testify to the accuracy of the actual materials that it was taken from.

06:38:20.280 And furthermore, Mr. Olson himself is just referred to by Agent Hall.

06:38:28.840 He specifically says people have altered these recordings.

06:38:33.080 They've zoomed in when the actual recording isn't zoomed.

06:38:36.640 They've added little circles to people they want you to pay attention to.

06:38:40.120 They've blurred people's faces out.

06:38:42.120 So, I mean, it's been clearly altered.

06:38:44.380 And it's not, I mean, they admit it's been altered.

06:38:47.440 So we have real concern about authenticity of it.

06:38:50.820 Furthermore, this particular video should be protected.

06:38:55.120 And so that deals with the admissibility factor.

06:38:57.600 As far as the publication factor of it, the video should be classified as protected.

06:39:03.080 under UCJA 4-202.02, subsection 5, J as in jelly bean, and then little I and little double I,

06:39:18.080 because this is going to interfere with the defense's ongoing investigation with Mr. Tyler's ability,

06:39:24.140 I mean with Mr. Robinson's ability to get a fair trial.

06:39:26.940 This is basically putting together photos that are clear with photos that aren't clear, putting them all together in such a format that it makes the case that it's all one person.

06:39:43.700 It would be extremely prejudicial for people that may ultimately serve on this jury to watch this video before this case goes to trial.

06:39:53.000 We don't believe a proper foundation has been laid, which would make it admissible at this point.

06:39:58.460 So the fact that it would be shown to the public would be extremely damaging to the ability to put on a defense at trial.

06:40:05.780 And so we object to its publication both in the courtroom and to the media, Your Honor.

06:40:12.220 Mr. Sturgill.

06:40:13.720 Judge, Ms. Nester is correct.

06:40:15.140 This is a compilation of a series of videos.

06:40:17.060 the the videos is detector of as a sergeant hole has testified to is it's

06:40:27.440 a compilation of raw videos that he has received from Utah Valley University and

06:40:33.740 he has not only seen this video but he has seen all the raw footage and by his

06:40:40.280 estimation or according to his testimony these are all videos that that are

06:40:45.580 accurate and and they depict what the raw footage depicts other than those

06:40:50.260 minor additions judge if you refer to mr. Olson's written statement it's

06:40:55.420 plaintiffs exhibit 12.3 he too has reviewed this video and he is also

06:41:04.040 identified this video as being accurate with the exception of those additions in

06:41:10.000 his words it's the zooms and the red highlights they weren't part of the

06:41:13.820 original recording according to Mr. Olson but other than that as he states

06:41:21.140 the same as Agent Hull these videos are accurate and they were captured by UVU

06:41:26.720 surveillance video. Do you have a version of this video that does not have

06:41:37.060 alterations such as zooming or circling my concern is that if the 1102 says

06:41:45.720 what it says about the videos these were the videos right but then it was altered

06:41:50.840 and typically an exhibit which has been altered and if it wasn't done by the

06:41:56.400 person who supplied the 1102 that that can become problematic and so do you

06:42:01.860 have a version of of this exhibit that does not have the zooming in or the circling again i don't

06:42:08.320 know all the alterations that were made but that seems to fall outside the 1102 because you don't

06:42:13.840 have we're sitting at 237 guys tap it up let's get to a quarter million tap it up guys let's get to

06:42:21.680 50 250 000 a person testifying i love no two saying i made the alterations right and so that

06:42:29.020 That's the concern of what Ms. Nestor was talking about as it relates to the state's evidence.

06:42:36.640 I have that concern about those alterations.

06:42:39.500 Again, I don't know when they were made, what they were made, how much was done to manipulate the video.

06:42:47.140 And I say manipulate to not saying in a nefarious way, but I don't know what the scope of that is

06:42:54.040 and how much it deviates from what was the original form.

06:43:00.180 Judge, to answer your first question,

06:43:01.780 do we have a version of this particular video that has not been altered?

06:43:06.480 We don't, not right now, not today.

06:43:10.780 I guess there's a couple of things I'd simply like to point out, Judge,

06:43:15.960 and that is that we have two witnesses who have watched the raw footage.

06:43:20.820 And Agent Hull here today on the stand,

06:43:23.200 and Mr. Olson in the form of his written statement.

06:43:27.000 They have both said that this video,

06:43:29.360 with the exception of these alterations,

06:43:31.160 accurately depicts the video that was captured

06:43:35.100 by UVU surveillance video.

06:43:37.200 Judge, I will proffer that those changes made to the video

06:43:40.780 were not done by either.

06:43:42.560 Hey, Jerry Loss, nobody cares if you think it's boring.

06:43:44.520 Enjoy the Shadow Realm.

06:43:45.660 Time to send you to the Shadow Realm.

06:43:49.820 The future is mine. 1.00

06:43:51.920 i know you can't pay attention because you got a tiktok brain

06:43:55.440 but enjoy the shadow room i know who that person is we could actually call that person as a witness

06:44:02.660 if that would cure that um and we're prepared to do that if necessary but judge i i think uh that

06:44:11.400 our our burden is to simply authenticate you know what this is and it is it is a video

06:44:19.780 that with only a few exceptions, alterations,

06:44:23.800 that really don't change the substance of the video

06:44:26.800 or the content of the video, they're accurate.

06:44:29.560 They depict what the cameras captured on September 10th and the 11th.

06:44:33.660 And we have two people who have seen that raw footage

06:44:36.640 and they've explained that's the only difference

06:44:38.740 between what we have originally in the original videos

06:44:42.280 and what you're seeing here today.

06:44:44.520 And the additions, I will submit, Judge, were only added...

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06:46:24.500 all right anything further from the parties 0.91

06:46:32.140 all right i'm gonna go ahead and i'm sustaining the objection uh typically in when exhibits are

06:46:40.480 admitted to the court it is without alteration if a party circles an exhibit a photograph

06:46:46.360 that's not the original format and i do not have the person who made the alteration

06:46:52.180 uh an 1102 to substantiate that and what i have is the original video and mr all of a sudden saying

06:47:00.360 this is the video minus the alterations and we have agent hall saying this is the video and

06:47:06.740 there are alterations but i'm missing a link and and it may be minor yeah they're going to bring

06:47:13.520 that guy in now but in in this type of case i want to be thorough and i want to make sure that

06:47:19.260 what is minor is still important and for those reasons i'm going to sustain the objection

06:47:24.520 and all right she got one bit to the parties on how you wish to handle the video in the future i

06:47:30.220 don't want to provide guys yeah they're going to bring they're going to bring this olsen guy in

06:47:33.240 now unless they don't need it they got more they probably got more evidence so they might not have

06:47:37.000 to bring him in for but for trial now they know he has to come in i didn't see the way of course

06:47:40.680 right but as it stands today uh this exhibit states exhibits 12.1 is not admitted okay

06:47:50.040 so i'm just gonna have just one moment you may

06:47:52.040 yeah those agents are gonna go out tonight to talk to this dude hey you got it coming tomorrow 0.86

06:47:59.100 buddy i already know they're about to go to that nigga's house tonight bruh matter of fact let's 0.95

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06:48:35.340 he's talking with his other prosecutor and we were able to locate the footage of his vehicle

06:48:55.560 on that ring doorbell camera or at least what you believe is his his vehicle the vehicle we

06:49:00.300 believe to belong to mr. yes and is there something about this particular video and

06:49:04.680 And this, I guess, vehicle that was captured that leads you to believe that it was Mr. Robinson's vehicle?

06:49:11.960 Yeah, the vehicle has very distinct wheels.

06:49:15.840 I won't say that they're wholly unique.

06:49:19.260 But in terms of the video footage that we were reviewing, the wheels on the vehicle are fairly unique and stand out on the video footage.

06:49:28.900 So again, this is video that you received early on in the investigation.

06:49:33.960 Yes.

06:49:34.440 and then in preparation for the preliminary hearing you went back out and you you met with

06:49:38.840 someone about this video correct who specifically did you meet with about this video met with mrs

06:49:44.040 noble and what did you do with miss noble uh we did what we had done before we had a specific file

06:49:50.360 that we wanted or files that we wanted her to verify the footage itself is is broken into i

06:49:57.000 believe 10 second segments so we had specific files that we had her view and confirmed that

06:50:03.240 they were actually from her system those were written on the 1102 as they have been before

06:50:09.960 okay and who wrote who wrote those file names on this particular statement i believe it would be

06:50:14.360 my handwriting on the 1102 all right what did you do next uh we had uh view the videos and then

06:50:21.560 complete a statement verifying the the authenticity of those videos on the 1102 okay was this also

06:50:27.000 prepared on a state bureau form i believe this was on a state bureau investigations form yes

06:50:32.360 and in this particular form on which miss noble provided her statement does it have the advisory

06:50:37.160 that it would be used in lieu of her testimony here today it does yes does it also contain a

06:50:42.040 warning that if she gave a false statement she would be punished or it's punishable by a class

06:50:46.520 a misdemeanor correct okay i'm gonna have displayed on your monitor what's been marked

06:50:58.200 state's exhibit number 13 for identification let me know when you see that would you

06:51:03.240 i can see that okay i'm going to have um my assistant scroll through that slowly

06:51:24.440 okay

06:51:26.200 you recognize that i do yes what is that it's the 1102 that myself and agent davis uh collected

06:51:34.500 from uh miss noble okay and it appears does it appear to be in the same condition as when you

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06:54:44.920 yes okay

06:54:47.160 and the personal identifying information appears to be redacted is that right it has been redacted

06:54:58.260 it wasn't redacted when you collected it right no no the original form was not redacted so other

06:55:03.900 Other than the redactions, it appears to be in the same condition as it was when you collected that.

06:55:07.640 That is correct.

06:55:08.540 State would move to admit Exhibit 13.

06:55:10.780 Ms. Naster.

06:55:14.440 I know we renew our concern about unconstitutional hearsay being admitted.

06:55:19.120 We also have the same concerns about the fact that Agent Hole amended this himself,

06:55:30.720 and there's no foundation as to when he filled that in,

06:55:34.120 if it was before or after she signed it.

06:55:36.600 And due to all those reasons, we object to its admission

06:55:39.820 and object to its publication as well.

06:55:43.520 Mr. Sturgill.

06:55:44.880 Judge, again, it was collected in compliance with Rule 1102

06:55:48.040 of the Utah Rules of Evidence,

06:55:52.360 specifically subsection B-8.

06:55:55.920 It's in writing.

06:55:57.580 It's on a form.

06:55:58.360 It includes both the advisory and the warning.

06:56:00.720 and it was collected by agent hole it's also collected in compliance and being

06:56:09.300 introduced as reliable hearsay which is lawful to do here in Utah under the

06:56:15.240 state Constitution article 1 section 12 do you wish to lay more foundation about

06:56:20.160 when the statement was written whether it was before it was signed or not I can

06:56:24.060 do that judge I appreciate that yes agent hold do you recall when you

06:56:28.880 collected this written statement from Ms. Noble? Yes, it was in April. In April, do you know what

06:56:33.900 day? April 6th, I believe. Okay. And you collected it, did you go to her home? I think, is that what

06:56:40.160 you said? Yes, myself and Agent Davis went to the residence. Okay, and did you sit there while she

06:56:44.260 prepared it? I did, yes. And did you witness her sign it? I did, yes. Okay. At this point, I'd move to

06:56:50.860 admit, Exhibit 13.

06:56:55.120 All right, and to the state representative, could you scroll down?

06:57:04.900 Okay.

06:57:07.340 All right, pursuant to the Utah Rule of Evidence 1102 and Article 1, Section 28, I'm sorry,

06:57:14.420 Article 1, Section 12, which allows for a reliable hearsay.

06:57:21.020 I'm going to move it into, it's going to be admitted into evidence over the objection of defense.

06:57:28.760 I note in particular that it states that I confirmed that the above files were taken from our Nest doorbell videos and are accurate.

06:57:38.540 and right before that statement is the notations that were allegedly made by Agent Hull.

06:57:50.960 And so for those reasons, the court finds proper foundation has been laid

06:57:56.000 and that this exhibit in its entirety is admitted into evidence.

06:58:03.260 As it relates to publication, I will authorize publication in the courtroom

06:58:08.020 and by the media, if they so wish to capture it in that form.

06:58:13.400 Again, following the same formats,

06:58:15.220 I have it on that first portion of the screen for about 10 seconds

06:58:21.100 and then scroll down to the written portion for about 15 seconds

06:58:25.260 and then scroll to the very bottom to ensure that the full exhibit has been displayed.

06:58:38.020 Okay, so here's the case number.

06:58:41.040 It looks like I confirm that the above files were taken from our Nest doorbell videos and are accurate videos taken on September 10th and 11th, 2025 and provided voluntarily.

06:58:57.700 And then this is from Cinzia DeNoble, April 6th, 2026.

06:59:08.020 All right, that concludes the publication of State's Exhibit 13.

06:59:26.980 Okay.

06:59:28.860 Thank you, Judge.

06:59:29.740 the um the video that you took with you that day when you visited with noble or miss noble

06:59:40.780 um had you had you previously well you've stated that the videos that you showed uh the nobles were

06:59:50.260 actually more than one video correct okay and i believe you said they were like 10 second clips

06:59:55.180 if i recall correctly short clips okay and and you showed miss noble all of those uh all of

07:00:03.240 those videos that are identified in that statement the one shown on the on the statement were shown

07:00:08.980 to miss noble yes okay have you had a chance to review what's been marked state's exhibit number

07:00:18.760 12.2 yes okay and when did you have a chance to review that exhibit I believe

07:00:26.680 that was reviewed last week I believe okay with with yourself okay and and

07:00:33.760 does that video is it a single video that you watched no I believe it's four

07:00:40.240 separate short videos okay and as far as and I understand that but as far as 12.2

07:00:46.660 is concerned what does that exhibit consist of I chose the vehicle believed

07:00:54.460 to be driven by mr. Robinson arriving in front of the residence an individual

07:00:59.020 exiting the vehicle and moving away from it followed by an individual returning

07:01:03.640 to the vehicle and unlocking it and then it shows the vehicle short time later

07:01:08.660 starting and leaving the area and and those are the videos that you showed

07:01:13.240 Ms. Noble? Yes.

07:01:22.240 What I have displayed on your monitor was Ben Mark's plaintiffs or States Exhibit 12.2 for identification.

07:01:29.120 Let me know as soon as you see should be a still image.

07:01:35.360 It's there. Do you recognize what's depicted there? Yeah, this is the view looking

07:01:40.660 what would essentially be west across the street from the nobles' residence.

07:01:46.160 Okay.

07:01:46.900 At 1238 a.m., I guess, or 038?

07:01:52.220 Yes.

07:01:52.960 Okay.

07:01:54.100 And what is depicted in this?

07:02:04.420 I think you've already described that.

07:02:05.820 So, Judge, I would move to admit Exhibit 12.2.

07:02:09.780 Ms. Nestor.

07:02:10.660 Your Honor, we renew our objection to allowing in 1.00

07:02:19.000 God damn, this bitch don't know how to use the mic 1.00

07:02:20.520 The evidence without the sponsoring 1.00

07:02:22.700 Sorry, Chad, that's her

07:02:23.860 I do have some concerns because I'm not totally sure if this is a compilation

07:02:30.180 or if this is just one of the one, two, three, four, five, at least six videos

07:02:36.920 they took from the nobles so if we get out of that clarification I think that

07:02:43.340 that concerns me about authenticity that I don't understand if this is just a

07:02:47.780 portion or if this is the whole thing or is this is all of them or none of them

07:02:51.740 and for those reasons we object to the admission and to publication. Thank you

07:02:56.420 Mr. Sturgill. That's a good point and I'll ask additional questions before I

07:03:00.740 re-seek to admit it. Agent Hull this particular video you've described taking

07:03:06.140 several videos to Ms. Noble and having a review them yes okay this particular

07:03:10.140 exhibit 12.2 you watched it in its entirety yes does it consist of either

07:03:16.460 some or all of those videos that you showed Ms. Noble it does yes and is it a

07:03:21.500 single video is it a compilation that is to say or is it four different videos

07:03:27.940 or a number of different videos be a number of short videos sequenced okay a

07:03:33.200 A number of short videos in sequence.

07:03:36.460 I believe that's how this one plays, yes.

07:03:39.740 Okay.

07:03:43.000 Just again, I'll speak to a minute.

07:03:45.320 Anything further from the parties?

07:03:48.160 All right.

07:03:48.860 All right.

07:03:49.760 Given my previous rulings on exhibits, I applied the same analysis and find that State's Exhibit 12.2, I believe,

07:04:02.240 is admitted over the objection

07:04:05.100 and may be published in the courtroom

07:04:07.660 and by the media, if so chosen.

07:04:13.560 Okay, so before we play this video,

07:04:16.440 again, what is it that leads you to believe

07:04:20.700 that this is Mr. Robinson's vehicle?

07:04:25.400 The shape of the vehicle can be clearly seen

07:04:27.780 as it pulls up and the distinctive wheels

07:04:30.080 on the vehicle also.

07:04:32.240 and uh what well let's go ahead and play it is there any sound associated with this

07:04:38.960 there is judge but it's it's night sounds it's crickets chirping and um okay i just wanted to

07:04:46.120 see if there was i just wanted to see if there was sound or not yeah the judge doesn't want no

07:04:50.200 gunshots or anything violent being shown to the press on okay all right you may play it's like

07:04:55.760 dude everyone's seen it already video but i get it like they're trying to make it fair

07:04:59.640 Here we go.

07:05:29.640 I don't know.

07:05:59.640 So on the first part of that video, what do you see?

07:06:16.460 The vehicle we believe to be driven by Mr. Robinson pulling up and parking across the

07:06:21.460 street but in front of the residence.

07:06:23.380 Okay.

07:06:24.380 And then in the next video, what do you believe is displayed in that video?

07:06:28.620 There's an individual who gets out of the vehicle.

07:06:31.860 You can hear the door close and then that individual moves away from the front of the

07:06:37.080 vehicle.

07:06:38.080 There's actually two reflective panels on a dumpster and you can see the individual

07:06:43.180 past those reflective panels.

07:06:46.500 And in the last of those series of videos?

07:06:50.220 The second to last one, the individual comes back across those reflective panels to the

07:06:54.900 vehicle, unlocks the vehicle and gets into it.

07:06:57.380 And then in the last video the vehicle is started and an individual drives away

07:07:21.980 Just one moment judge. Yes

07:07:27.380 We might not get a chance to hear the cross from the defense today.

07:07:32.080 Prosecution is really eating up all this time.

07:07:57.380 can we approach you may

07:08:22.500 all right you're doing a sidebar

07:08:24.340 so i guess jd on really did quit youtube huh this gotta be cat bro this is gonna be probably

07:08:45.520 be a lawyer prepared statement so um this is genuinely gonna be my last video ever like this

07:08:50.820 i'm never gonna make a video like this again but you know uh obviously you guys know what's all

07:08:56.860 going on you guys saw me getting arrested you guys saw a cold blues video and everything

07:09:01.920 and um i did a reaction to it kind of like oh no this wasn't right this is how it happened

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07:09:14.680 because they're roasting them chat

07:09:16.280 And you know what's crazy guys

07:09:31.800 Bro is like 24 years old

07:09:34.180 Bro is literally like 24 years old bro 0.97

07:09:39.280 Nigga how do I look younger than him

07:09:44.940 i'm like a decade older than him bro like what bro i'm literally 10 years older than this guy 0.96

07:09:54.220 easily like what's going on

07:09:58.940 man

07:10:06.140 uh okay they got they took like a five minute recess 1.00

07:10:14.940 shit is crazy bro 0.98

07:10:20.000 just like in word reflection and i've been talking to my fiance a lot 1.00

07:10:27.020 and i just kind of came to realize you know wait fiance this nigga's about to get married 1.00

07:10:31.200 What I was doing 0.99

07:10:59.300 What I was doing wrong

07:11:00.940 and i also came to realize that truly your boy was spiraling you know um i was genuinely genuinely 0.85

07:11:08.240 genuinely losing the plot and i have to say like genuinely i feel like a hypocrite you know

07:11:14.600 all right we got a word counter for genuinely just a couple videos ago i was saying how what

07:11:22.200 alex was doing was a distraction from the bigger mission and then i come along doing what i was

07:11:28.400 doing and if anything it was an even bigger distraction from the mission you know what i

07:11:33.660 mean now i had to pay six plus figures for my lawyer fees and then my fans lawyer fees wait 0.88

07:11:41.440 wait wait wait oh okay for his fans okay i was about to say wait nigga why are you paying six 0.98

07:11:45.120 figures for a fucking misdemeanor okay but he's paying for the the dudes that he got jammed up 0.97

07:11:50.040 for those of you guys that didn't see it um he got two of his fans arrested too 0.99

07:11:56.540 by telling them to go uh into the mcdonald's

07:12:04.420 is in everything and that money could have been used for the betterment of society but now it's

07:12:11.360 being used in the legal system you know what i mean and it's just yo jadeon stop making these 1.00

07:12:18.860 bitch ass nigga apology videos bro like fucking stop stop this is so fucking gay they're not 1.00

07:12:27.520 gonna forgive you anyway they're always gonna roast you like bro just be 10 toes down get back 1.00

07:12:33.860 with alex rose until everybody go suck a dick do what the fuck you want to do and tell them to get 1.00

07:12:37.740 the fuck out of here bro you are audience captured so badly and it's fucking painful dude it has made 1.00

07:12:43.920 you a fucking faggot holy shit holy shit you've been on youtube this long and you've not learned 1.00

07:12:51.780 don't apologize to these fucking faggots bro ever what are you doing 1.00

07:12:56.220 it's like you're at a crossroads now you're either going to be a supplicating audience captured 1.00

07:13:03.740 faggot that doesn't do what they want to do and is always terrified of everything that they do 1.00

07:13:09.680 with the backlash or you're gonna say fuck this shit i'm gonna do what i want to do lose some 1.00

07:13:16.620 subscribers who cares who gives a fuck they're retarded children anyway nine out of ten of them 1.00

07:13:22.140 they're probably black they're probably stupid they're probably low iq they probably think like 1.00

07:13:29.220 racism is real they probably get offended at everything like get them out of here bro 1.00

07:13:39.680 thank you come again who cares who cares bro who cares just be yourself 1.00

07:13:48.120 okay you fucked up it is what it is 1.00

07:13:51.880 lose some goddamn weight you look like shit you're fat as fuck get your health in control 1.00

07:13:59.740 dust yourself off and get back up and stop being a bitch man what the fuck 1.00

07:14:05.560 like it's not that hard bro i quit that's some faggotry that's some straight faggotry 1.00

07:14:13.700 fucking soft bro so fucking soft that's the thing with these niggas bro it's like here's the issue 1.00

07:14:21.460 right this is why young streamers are like they don't fucking get it bro you have the privilege 1.00

07:14:30.400 of a fucking lifetime this is why becoming rich young is a fucking curse man i've been telling 0.99

07:14:38.560 y'all this for years the worst thing that can happen to a young man is losing the privilege 1.00

07:14:47.540 of fucking suffering i'm gonna say that again for all you fucking faggots that are watching 1.00

07:14:51.800 the worst thing that can happen to a young man is losing the privilege of suffering because when 1.00

07:14:59.340 you suffer you become a man okay you think if jideon went to the gym you know fucking played 0.99

07:15:08.020 sports for real had a real job had to build himself up he would give a fuck about what 1.00

07:15:13.560 some fucking retards on the internet say no he'd have more resolve he wouldn't quit over 1.00

07:15:20.740 some retarded fucking comments on youtube but since he never built up that fucking ability to 1.00

07:15:29.740 deal with adverse uh adversity as a young man and got money quickly got fame quickly he didn't build 1.00

07:15:37.140 up that fucking resolve now anything that hits him oh i don't know if i want to do this oh 0.92

07:15:41.980 and here's the thing if you guys don't believe me look at him look at him if you don't believe 1.00

07:15:49.840 me he's fat he's out of shape he clearly doesn't give a fuck about himself he's bald as fuck in 1.00

07:15:57.020 his 20s he looks like shit this is a man just straight up that doesn't give a fuck his body 1.00

07:16:06.440 is an outward manifestation of his fucking pussiness and laziness 1.00

07:16:10.940 Straight up 1.00

07:16:14.700 This guy's like 10 plus years younger than me 0.99

07:16:18.920 What the fuck is going on 0.99

07:16:23.020 Look, Gideon, if you see this message 1.00

07:16:26.680 I mean this in a fucking nice way 0.91

07:16:27.920 I've met you before 1.00

07:16:28.620 You need to stop being a fucking bitch 1.00

07:16:31.220 You're being a fucking bitch 1.00

07:16:33.520 Get your fat ass in a fucking gym 1.00

07:16:35.580 Learn how to deal with some adversity 1.00

07:16:37.360 Get your self-care taken care of 1.00

07:16:40.940 When you look back in the fucking mirror 1.00

07:16:42.300 and see that you've created a change, 1.00

07:16:44.360 then you'll be able to stand up to all these fucking retards 1.00

07:16:46.120 that bully you all over the internet. 1.00

07:16:47.920 Have you apologizing every other fucking day. 1.00

07:16:52.040 Make up with Alex Rosen 1.00

07:16:53.220 and know who your real fucking friends are. 1.00

07:16:56.520 Stop being a fucking bitch. 1.00

07:16:58.560 This is fucking pathetic. 1.00

07:17:00.320 You have the opportunity of a lifetime. 1.00

07:17:01.860 You got millions of followers. 1.00

07:17:03.080 Don't fucking quit, you pussy. 1.00

07:17:05.880 Everyone else is excited by this. 1.00

07:17:07.400 Oh, he's quitting. 1.00

07:17:08.100 Ha, ha, let's make content off this shit, blah, blah. 1.00

07:17:09.680 Man, I'm telling you, dumbass 1.00

07:17:11.420 You got a million people that follow you 1.00

07:17:13.780 You got a bright future out of you 1.00

07:17:15.580 But you're fucking soft 1.00

07:17:17.000 Go take a month off, go to the fucking gym 1.00

07:17:19.220 Lose some goddamn weight 1.00

07:17:20.460 Get some personal achievements 1.00

07:17:21.980 Then hit the fucking road 1.00

07:17:23.240 And come back on YouTube 1.00

07:17:25.500 But this is fucking ridiculous 1.00

07:17:29.000 You look like shit 1.00

07:17:30.320 And this is our manifestation of your fucking laziness 1.00

07:17:32.460 Straight up 1.00

07:17:33.220 You got fucking titties 1.00

07:17:34.560 Get your fat ass in the gym 1.00

07:17:37.760 improve your looks 1.00

07:17:40.900 get your fucking hair back 1.00

07:17:43.100 your fiance's gonna thank you for it 1.00

07:17:45.580 and come back hard and tell everybody to go fuck off 1.00

07:17:50.120 and stop making these bitch ass apology videos 1.00

07:17:51.860 make up with Alex and stop being a fucking faggot man 1.00

07:17:54.300 holy shit dude 1.00

07:17:55.940 I can't even watch this fucking video 1.00

07:17:57.440 so fucking pathetic 1.00

07:17:58.460 so fucking pathetic dude 1.00

07:18:01.320 the fuck out of here man 1.00

07:18:03.620 soft as fuck 1.00

07:18:04.560 holy shit 1.00

07:18:07.140 That's why you Gen Z niggas are fucking bitches, bro. 1.00

07:18:10.640 Holy shit. 1.00

07:18:11.680 Like, he's like my brother's age. 1.00

07:18:14.120 I had to bully my brother so he wouldn't become a faggot like that 1.00

07:18:16.980 because I knew these young motherfuckers were going to be soft. 1.00

07:18:20.040 As soon as I saw these niggas with fucking iPhones at seven years old 1.00

07:18:23.680 and iPads, I was like, yeah, these dudes are about to be some fucking bitches. 1.00

07:18:27.420 These dudes are about to be some fucking faggots. 1.00

07:18:29.880 Can't say nigger around them. 1.00

07:18:31.160 Can't say faggot around them. 1.00

07:18:32.480 Can't say fucking queer around them. 1.00

07:18:33.740 Can't say any of this shit. 1.00

07:18:34.660 Oh, my God. 1.00

07:18:35.660 That's so fucked up. 1.00

07:18:37.140 If you grow up on an iPad 1.00

07:18:43.560 High likelihood you're gonna be a fag 1.00

07:18:45.360 Straight up bro 1.00

07:18:46.340 Feel free to steal that shit 1.00

07:18:50.900 Cause it's so fucking true 1.00

07:18:52.480 Grow up on an iPad 1.00

07:18:53.740 You're gonna be a fag 1.00

07:18:54.780 Straight up 1.00

07:18:55.500 Bitch ass niggas everywhere bro 1.00

07:18:58.380 We live in an Uber Eats fucking society 1.00

07:19:01.340 We live in a DoorDash society 1.00

07:19:04.040 The problem though is that these fat ass niggas can't dash 1.00

07:19:06.680 like what the fuck is going on 1.00

07:19:09.680 this is something that I've realized 0.99

07:19:12.840 like it's really bad with this generation 1.00

07:19:14.340 all you guys in your fucking 20s 0.99

07:19:16.740 you guys born in the 2000s 1.00

07:19:18.800 you guys are some fucking bitch ass nigga faggots bro 1.00

07:19:20.940 it's very clear 1.00

07:19:23.220 that a lot of you have never been bullied

07:19:24.700 a lot of you have never been punched in the face

07:19:26.380 a lot of you have never dealt with any type of adversity 0.98

07:19:28.380 a lot of you guys never had to like work a real fucking 0.98

07:19:33.080 manual labor job 0.99

07:19:34.020 it's fucking insane 1.00

07:19:36.180 A lot of you motherfuckers are retarded 1.00

07:19:39.400 And you're just not tough 1.00

07:19:40.400 You're soft 1.00

07:19:41.380 Like really fucking soft 1.00

07:19:44.940 You run a mile in like 12 minutes 1.00

07:19:47.660 Faggotry 1.00

07:19:48.700 Hi you a grown ass man 1.00

07:19:52.740 You gotta run a fucking mile in 10 minutes 1.00

07:19:54.760 That's fucking gay 1.00

07:19:56.380 You're out of shape 1.00

07:19:57.880 It's fucking pathetic 1.00

07:19:59.180 A lot of you niggas can't even do 20 pushups 1.00

07:20:01.240 Can't do 10 pullups 1.00

07:20:07.080 How dare you tell a girl I'm going to pull up when you can't even do a pull up? 1.00

07:20:10.840 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

07:20:13.280 I'm about to push up on this bitch. 1.00

07:20:14.860 You can't push up on the ground. 1.00

07:20:17.060 What are you talking about?

07:20:19.620 I'm 36 years old, bro. 1.00

07:20:21.200 I'm in better shape than 90% of you fucking young ass faggots. 1.00

07:20:26.760 I got a bad fucking back, former division one athlete, several injuries. 1.00

07:20:32.380 In better shape than most of these fucking 20 year olds. 1.00

07:20:34.300 how do i know this because i meet these niggas when we collab for real out of shape look like 1.00

07:20:39.500 shit on steroids can't run a fucking mile hell fucking all fucked the health all fucked up 1.00

07:20:45.780 blood work fucked up eat like shit do drugs what is this what's wrong with this generation 1.00

07:20:52.800 you guys are fucking lazy bitch ass niggas bro it's insane it's seriously insane and i've been 1.00

07:21:01.220 I've had this pent-up fucking frustration 1.00

07:21:03.200 with you fucking 20-year-old niggas for a while. 1.00

07:21:06.380 You fucking vape. 1.00

07:21:07.620 You smoke weed. 1.00

07:21:08.540 You do drugs.

07:21:09.380 You do steroids.

07:21:10.420 You gamble. 1.00

07:21:11.840 You're fat as fuck. 1.00

07:21:13.200 You look like shit. 1.00

07:21:14.280 You're fucking soft. 1.00

07:21:15.240 You let women walk all over you, bitch-ass niggas. 1.00

07:21:17.800 You've never done a manual labor job in your life. 1.00

07:21:21.000 You don't know how to fix shit. 1.00

07:21:22.200 You don't know how to swing a hammer. 1.00

07:21:23.360 You've never done landscaping. 1.00

07:21:26.400 Pathetic. 1.00

07:21:28.060 Fucking pathetic. 1.00

07:21:28.880 this generation of men you guys are some fucking 1.00

07:21:32.500 pussified faggots 1.00

07:21:34.180 we need to bring bullying back 1.00

07:21:35.920 we need to bring back sports 0.99

07:21:37.880 we need to bring back mandatory fucking competition 1.00

07:21:40.520 you guys are so fucking soft 1.00

07:21:42.400 this nigga gets a little bit of hate on his YouTube 1.00

07:21:45.760 multi-millionaire I quit 0.99

07:21:47.280 what?

07:21:50.020 what? 0.99

07:21:52.320 you know how people would fucking kill to have that opportunity 1.00

07:21:54.720 Jideon you fucking retard 1.00

07:21:56.060 you better not fucking quit idiot lose the fucking way come back as a fucking man 1.00

07:22:03.000 make up with Alex catch pedos stop being a bitch-ass nigga and that's the realest shit 1.00

07:22:07.320 anyone on the internet is ever gonna fucking tell you because everyone else is prying on 1.00

07:22:10.540 your fucking downfall fatty don't fucking quit holy shit man in fucking credible bro 1.00

07:22:19.380 in fucking credible this generation of young men dude you guys are fucking cooked man 1.00

07:22:24.220 It's insane how softy all niggas are 1.00

07:22:26.980 It's fucking insane 1.00

07:22:28.860 Every time I talk to these fucking 20 year old guys 1.00

07:22:31.620 It's just like a 1.00

07:22:34.740 It's like a level of laziness 0.99

07:22:36.060 I don't know what the fuck is in the water 0.99

07:22:37.780 I don't know what's going on 0.99

07:22:39.400 I blame the internet and the iPad 1.00

07:22:41.700 But it's like fuck man 1.00

07:22:45.700 It's like there's no shame 1.00

07:22:48.300 Like grown men have tendies

07:22:52.040 Anyway 1.00

07:22:58.200 Sorry guys, I've had that shit pent up for a while 0.99

07:23:02.620 I didn't mean to take it all out on fucking 0.99

07:23:05.800 Gideon, but bro, this is like, you know 0.97

07:23:08.440 You know, he's not the only one 1.00

07:23:10.480 I'm trying to tell you guys, this shit is a generational problem 1.00

07:23:12.780 It's a fucking generational problem, dude 1.00

07:23:15.760 Awkward as fuck 1.00

07:23:18.260 Weird handshakes 0.99

07:23:20.220 can't speak properly

07:23:22.720 can't look you in the eye 1.00

07:23:24.000 awkward as fuck 1.00

07:23:25.500 no fucking social awareness 1.00

07:23:28.260 you know how many fucking times 1.00

07:23:29.420 fuck it I'm gonna say it 1.00

07:23:30.640 you know how many fucking times 1.00

07:23:32.780 I'm at the airport with Brett 1.00

07:23:33.980 and some fucking person comes up to us 0.99

07:23:35.900 Brett's gonna know exactly what I'm talking about 1.00

07:23:37.280 and they're fucking weird as hell 0.99

07:23:39.860 they don't understand any type of 1.00

07:23:44.060 spatial awareness

07:23:44.900 their breath smells

07:23:46.500 they're standing right up on you like this

07:23:48.140 they're awkward they're weird i've had to tell a couple of these young guys hey what's wrong with

07:23:54.920 you well you know i'm just nervous you gotta stop that you can't you can't do that that's weird 0.99

07:24:02.580 that's impolite it's fucking strange i'm telling you this because i give a fuck you can't behave 0.99

07:24:08.000 like this this is weirdo fucking behavior no one else is going to tell you so i'm gonna tell you 0.99

07:24:13.820 it. The way you approached me was fucking retarded. Don't do it again. Ever. I've done 1.00

07:24:19.700 that before. A lot of these fucking young guys, they come up to me. They behave that 1.00

07:24:24.460 way. I tell them, dude, you cannot, you can't do this. I'd rather I tell you this. So when

07:24:32.740 you show up on a job interview or you meet someone, they don't have a fucking bad, they 0.98

07:24:37.540 don't have a bad perception of you. I know you niggas are weird. I accept this. I understand 1.00

07:24:42.260 it. So you know what? I might

07:24:44.360 as well tell you. Don't be a fucking fag. 1.00

07:24:46.300 Don't act like this. 1.00

07:24:50.500 Brett will tell you he's in the chat right now.

07:24:52.020 We've been talking about making a video about this for over

07:24:54.160 a year.

07:24:56.180 It's bad. I go to the airport.

07:24:58.620 I'm out and about. Brett is there with me.

07:25:00.340 He's like, what the fuck is this? He was shocked 0.99

07:25:02.340 the first time he saw it.

07:25:04.300 When we went out for the first

07:25:06.300 time to one of these schools, 0.99

07:25:08.340 he was fucking shocked 0.97

07:25:10.300 and how dudes would come up to me and be so awkward. 0.99

07:25:13.400 It's like, what the fuck is this? 0.98

07:25:15.240 I was like, yo, this happens every day. 0.99

07:25:17.040 What?

07:25:17.820 I was like, yeah, it's a problem.

07:25:19.780 It's a problem.

07:25:20.400 We got to tell these guys. 0.99

07:25:23.480 Gentlemen, let me give you guys some fucking tips. 0.99

07:25:26.940 You see someone you want to meet. 0.99

07:25:28.300 You see somebody that you admire.

07:25:29.760 Maybe you see them on the internet.

07:25:30.940 You walk up to them. 1.00

07:25:32.380 You call them by their fucking name. 1.00

07:25:34.480 Don't say you're the guy. 1.00

07:25:35.960 Don't do that. 0.99

07:25:37.720 That's fucking rude and impolite. 1.00

07:25:40.300 know their fucking name when you walk up stick out your hand firm look them in the fucking eye 1.00

07:25:46.460 you shake their hand you give them a compliment i'm aware of xyz work that you do thank you for 1.00

07:25:54.680 that you call them by their name you give a compliment or something that you admire about

07:26:01.700 them show thoughtfulness they'll be more likely to engage in a conversation with you don't ever 0.95

07:26:06.160 fucking come up you're the guy oh oh i don't know your name i've seen you somewhere don't 0.99

07:26:13.700 fucking do that ever know their fucking name and know something about them so you can start a 1.00

07:26:21.380 conversation you fucking retards every time i'm at the airport i'm walking around you awkward 1.00

07:26:28.320 motherfuckers come up and do that stupid shit and i have to fucking tell you don't do that 1.00

07:26:32.740 i probably tell them that shit but you know what a lot of you niggas that are watching 1.00

07:26:38.620 probably are weirdos too so look guys never walk up to someone without knowing their name 1.00

07:26:43.720 it could be a fucking guy that's your boss or a manager of some kind or someone that you want to 0.99

07:26:48.800 meet always know their name walk up shake their hand nice and firm look them in the eye give them 1.00

07:26:56.260 a compliment or something that you admire about them and engage in a fucking thoughtful conversations 0.52

07:27:00.560 Have your questions ready to go. 1.00

07:27:04.660 Don't waste their fucking time. 1.00

07:27:06.140 Make sure they're thoughtful. 1.00

07:27:08.520 Say thank you when you're done and you walk away. 1.00

07:27:12.160 Don't be a fucking retard. 1.00

07:27:18.220 Look, it's crazy that I have to say this, 1.00

07:27:20.580 but I'm realizing that this new generation of men, 1.00

07:27:25.020 you guys are socially retarded. 1.00

07:27:27.240 You're socially fucking retarded. 1.00

07:27:29.880 and it makes sense why so many guys struggle with women so i'm gonna do the best that i can to tell 1.00

07:27:35.400 you guys the tough truth because clearly no one else is telling you guys that you're a bunch of 1.00

07:27:40.060 retarded faggots so i gotta fucking do it it's like i gotta be the fucking drill sergeant for 1.00

07:27:44.240 all you niggas because your daddy's a faggot your brother's a softy liberal faggot your sister's a 1.00

07:27:49.760 whore your mom is dumb i don't fucking know but i guess i gotta teach y'all niggas so i'll do it 1.00

07:27:54.480 it's gonna be tough love because a lot of you niggas are fucking soft 1.00

07:27:58.280 soft belly titty having faggots bro all over the place 1.00

07:28:02.600 anyway pep talk done we'll go to the trial you do an unduly suggestive in court id also 0.98

07:28:12.700 we believe there's a lack of foundation um establishing his ability to interpret the

07:28:18.860 surveillance video and based on that we would object

07:28:23.580 all right i note that well to the state do you wish to be heard on what was just stated

07:28:29.940 well just i think i think we had this discussion and i think you ruled on that specific objection

07:28:34.460 and then after you you ruled i just neglected to come back and follow through with the question

07:28:39.500 and the answer that's my recollection of the the bench meeting i believe i stated for the purposes

07:28:46.440 of this hearing that identification by

07:28:48.500 Agent Hull of Mr. Robinson was made

07:28:50.620 I could be wrong but

07:28:52.420 Well and

07:28:54.060 I just wanted to clarify that judge because there

07:28:56.540 was some question about whether that in fact did happen

07:28:58.500 and so

07:28:59.780 if that's your recollection of what

07:29:02.460 happened and if you're willing to put

07:29:04.600 on the record that Agent Hull has identified

07:29:06.700 the defendant I think we're done

07:29:07.820 Does the defense

07:29:10.800 want to be heard?

07:29:16.440 Just a moment, you're on.

07:29:19.840 Of course.

07:29:20.840 No, you're on.

07:29:25.840 Well, for the benefit of the record and for thoroughness, if you wish to re-ask that

07:29:34.140 question, you certainly, well, we can see what happens.

07:29:38.840 If I could judge, I'd like to.

07:29:41.540 Would you please point him out and identify something that he is wearing?

07:29:46.440 they had to do it they got to do it in a certain way yeah brett's in the chat guys he'll tell you

07:29:51.860 man i'm being nice about it bro but man we've had some really strange individuals say some 0.99

07:29:58.220 dumb shit bro sometimes we happen to tell them bro you can't do this you you can't you can't do 0.99

07:30:02.820 this you will lose 70 opportunities in life behaving like this and i'd rather be the tough 1.00

07:30:08.620 asshole that tells them that this is not correct then they continue on through life acting like a 1.00

07:30:13.460 fucking retard, wondering why they can't get a job. 1.00

07:30:15.620 Wondering why no one wants to talk to them. Why they can't build 1.00

07:30:17.400 friends or build a network. I'd rather be the asshole and tell them. 1.00

07:30:19.900 You can't do this, man. 1.00

07:30:22.240 Yeah, I believe that Mr. Robinson 0.99

07:30:23.460 is, uh, between Miss

07:30:25.400 Nestor and other council, wearing a gray suit,

07:30:27.660 jacket with a dark tie,

07:30:29.360 and a light-colored shirt.

07:30:31.260 I would ask that the record reflect.

07:30:33.300 Yeah, bro, we'll tell you guys, bro. He's there with me.

07:30:36.020 He sees at least 50% of the 1.00

07:30:37.360 bullshit, bro. Holy. 1.00

07:30:40.000 That Agent Hull has a... He gets

07:30:41.380 mad half the time. Like, what the

07:30:43.260 I have no judgment. I mean, I've made my objection already.

07:31:00.360 Okay. I just wanted to check.

07:31:01.960 No, thank you.

07:31:02.560 All right.

07:31:03.980 Yo, the judge is like, he already, he was like, okay, you got to do it. Bro just waited.

07:31:08.140 It was a different exhibit. And we just can't prepare that in the next hour or so. So we're going to need this evening to prepare that exhibit. And we'd like to return with that. Judge, what I would also suggest.

07:31:24.400 Yeah, they're probably going to break here soon.

07:31:26.340 Well, let's, I guess, let me get your take on that, Judge.

07:31:30.040 All right. Does the defense wish to be heard about ending for the day? We have about 19 minutes until five o'clock.

07:31:37.780 Like Trev says, speak of facts, learn how to conduct yourself, young fellas. 1.00

07:31:40.460 Yeah, man, I'm telling you guys, bro, you have to learn this shit, man. 0.99

07:31:43.440 Internet's not going to save you, bro, from real-life interactions. 0.99

07:31:47.320 Everyone's cool on the Internet until they meet someone in public.

07:31:51.180 What is defensive?

07:31:52.740 Yeah, I know. We're happy to accommodate the state on that.

07:31:55.840 All right.

07:31:56.700 So for today, Agent Hull, you may step down.

07:32:00.240 So he'll be back tomorrow.

07:32:01.180 They're going to kick off the testimony with him, and then he's going to get crossed.

07:32:04.440 We'll resume with your testimony tomorrow morning.

07:32:07.780 So that'll be at 11 a.m. our time, guys.

07:32:10.040 Anything further, Mr. Sturgill?

07:32:11.840 Well, just one other thing, and it's a suggestion.

07:32:16.520 Agent Home, can you wait just one second?

07:32:18.240 I'm sorry.

07:32:18.820 Go ahead.

07:32:19.720 I'm sure Ms. Nestor may have a position with regards to this,

07:32:23.180 but, Judge, we would invite you to review the exhibit that we've been talking about today.

07:32:32.240 It is 12.1.

07:32:36.320 We suggest.

07:32:37.260 okay um so let me um let's see here let's read some of these chats castle club clan here's a

07:32:43.820 funny video from the amazing race if you ever want to view it uh during another break um thank

07:32:49.060 you castle club and also by the way guys uh for all you guys if you guys want to go ahead and get

07:32:53.040 a sub on um on oss i'm sure miss uh mr castle club here clan might hook you up if he likes you

07:33:00.800 mr fernand you didn't get one chest fifth element winners have answers losers have excuses facts 0.77

07:33:05.480 fucking facts these guys need to learn to not be weird that's from brett fitness says hating on 0.96

07:33:10.420 steroids you need to have discipline to use steroids bro you take steroids with no discipline 0.99

07:33:14.260 the steroids won't do shit don't know why you're hating on them you should know yo uh fitness shut 1.00

07:33:19.820 the fuck up dude how about that one shut the fuck up you're clearly a fucking retard that doesn't 1.00

07:33:24.240 understand that i'm talking about these young guys that use steroids before they even have a 1.00

07:33:27.900 foundation of going to the gym so shut the fuck up dude you're a fucking retard you don't know 1.00

07:33:32.680 anything. You clearly wasn't listening to what I was saying, you fucking moron. I was talking about 1.00

07:33:38.620 it in the context of young guys using drugs. It's not putting the work into time, you fucking 1.00

07:33:43.840 faggot. Holy shit, man. What? You probably poke yourself in the fucking ass using drugs. 1.00

07:33:50.820 Fuck out of here, bro. And honestly, if you're not a professional bodybuilder, 1.00

07:33:54.620 you shouldn't be using steroids. So shut the fuck up, dude. How about that one? Go suck a 1.00

07:33:58.900 fucking dick you retard are you a professional bodybuilder you got an IPB card or you don't 1.00

07:34:03.660 then shut the fuck up no one should be using drugs if you're not a professional bodybuilder bro 1.00

07:34:08.140 let's fuck out of here with that shit see this is the retarded shit that I'm talking about 1.00

07:34:11.740 this nigga's retarded that's literally what I'm talking about 1.00

07:34:14.940 fucking idiot and you're in the OSS too you're a fucking faggot you should know better 1.00

07:34:21.920 The fuck 1.00

07:34:23.880 This is the problem 1.00

07:34:26.440 This is exactly what I'm talking about 1.00

07:34:29.500 Fucking idiot 1.00

07:34:30.880 I should kick your dumb ass out 1.00

07:34:33.160 The fucking organization bro 1.00

07:34:34.520 I've kicked out so many dumb ass niggas 1.00

07:34:36.380 I'd rather kick you faggots out than even take a dollar 1.00

07:34:38.840 From y'all niggas 1.00

07:34:39.440 Honestly 1.00

07:34:40.640 I've lost 1.00

07:34:44.420 So much money by kicking faggots 1.00

07:34:46.880 Out of my organization like this fucking retard 1.00

07:34:48.880 Fitness 1.00

07:34:49.980 bro you literally got two minutes to fucking apologize for your stupid ass comment you dumb 1.00

07:34:55.100 ass you know the 20 year olds we got here that watch this shit the fuck you talking about 1.00

07:34:59.260 endorsing steroids you fucking faggot don't endorse drugs on my shit because let me tell 1.00

07:35:05.160 you something when they're pissing out blood or they're having the fucking trend sweats 1.00

07:35:09.380 or their blood pressures through the roof are you gonna be there huh you gonna take them to a doctor 1.00

07:35:14.860 We're not having a fucking stroke 1.00

07:35:20.180 Are you gonna be there you stupid ass nigga 1.00

07:35:21.600 No you're not 1.00

07:35:22.200 So shut the fuck up 1.00

07:35:23.580 Shut the fuck up 1.00

07:35:26.020 Fucking dumbass 1.00

07:35:28.200 Gabby says 1.00

07:35:38.040 Nigga lack confidence 1.00

07:35:39.160 Low IQ low confidence ass niggas 1.00

07:35:41.900 Very true 1.00

07:35:42.440 Seven bone surgeries

07:35:44.140 nine surgeries in total starting in the third grade through junior. Yeah, bro, I'm dead. I'm

07:35:48.360 not even kidding around with your dumb ass. Yo, fitness, you got literally four minutes to 1.00

07:35:51.260 fucking apologize, you bitch ass nigga. You literally got four minutes to apologize. And 1.00

07:35:55.340 if you don't, you're getting fucking set to the shadow room. And I'm only even giving you that 0.98

07:35:59.400 four minutes because you're in the OSS. So you got four fucking minutes to fucking apologize, 1.00

07:36:04.460 you fucking faggot. And I don't want to hear no fucking pro steroid shit from you ever again, 1.00

07:36:10.740 bro, ever 1.00

07:36:11.840 fucking dumbass, you don't even know how many young guys 1.00

07:36:14.700 we got in here, impressible guys, you talking about steroids 1.00

07:36:16.820 you fucking dickhead 1.00

07:36:17.720 low IQ, low confidence 1.00

07:36:23.060 ass niggas, okay 1.00

07:36:23.780 10 bone surgeries 1.00

07:36:26.560 9 surgeries in total

07:36:27.780 starting in the 3rd grade through my junior year

07:36:30.780 in high school, all while being a top

07:36:32.780 player in the country in every sport I played

07:36:34.240 built my body up just to have it torn

07:36:36.780 down through surgeries, yeah man, it happens

07:36:38.620 Jammo subscribe

07:36:42.980 Chitta Wall says I'm only 18

07:36:45.820 And I grew up playing sports and being outside

07:36:47.900 Always Gen Z and nowadays are always inside

07:36:49.580 These ninjas are tripping 1.00

07:36:51.620 They definitely are

07:36:53.000 Brett let me know if this 1.00

07:36:57.160 This faggot, I apologize if he doesn't bro 1.00

07:36:59.220 We just get him out of here man 1.00

07:37:00.280 You can kick him out bro 1.00

07:37:02.120 Dude comes in here fucking promoting steroids 1.00

07:37:07.800 Get the fuck out of here, bro. 1.00

07:37:12.180 Yes, you still have to work hard 1.00

07:37:13.980 if you're on steroids.

07:37:14.720 Yeah.

07:37:15.260 But guess what, dude? 1.00

07:37:16.340 These niggas aren't fucking 1.00

07:37:17.300 professional bodybuilders. 1.00

07:37:18.740 So we're not endorsing that shit over here. 1.00

07:37:21.460 Fucking dickhead. 1.00

07:37:25.280 Let's see here what we got. 1.00

07:37:35.300 Okay.

07:37:37.640 now I'm debating

07:37:43.180 if I should do one more segment with you guys

07:37:47.340 or go to sleep

07:37:50.860 I haven't slept yet

07:37:53.320 I haven't had a long day

07:37:54.220 let's see here

07:38:07.640 all right let me all right this is what I'll do because I got a warning from kick earlier

07:38:24.060 um we'll analyze the shooting okay we'll analyze the uh the shooting on OSS

07:38:31.980 Charlie Kirk shooting

07:38:33.900 We're going to do it on OSS

07:38:38.540 And then I'll

07:38:39.200 And then what I'll do also

07:38:42.220 Is

07:38:47.500 Let me

07:38:49.260 I was thinking about

07:38:52.800 Doing the FBI

07:38:55.060 Files on the Klan with y'all 0.82

07:38:56.900 with the KKK.

07:39:10.560 In 1992, a young mother was gunned down in front of her children.

07:39:26.900 so we're able to combine two things that we want true crime and racism um and then also uh we'll

07:39:36.480 break down the charlie kirk shooting um because i can't show you guys the i'm gonna i'm gonna like

07:39:41.120 show the actual shooting but i'm not gonna do it out of respect and then also like so i don't get

07:39:46.400 banned we're gonna do it on oss so so i'll uh i'll stay on a little bit longer we'll watch an

07:39:54.720 episode of FBI Files.

07:39:59.660 If you guys rock

07:40:00.680 with me,

07:40:02.020 join the brotherhood, 0.97

07:40:06.840 niggas.

07:40:08.440 Trump, we will have no more wars, 0.94

07:40:10.720 no more disruptions, and we will have

07:40:12.780 prosperity and peace for all.

07:40:14.860 The mission of Operation Epic Fury

07:40:16.500 is laser-focused.

07:40:18.040 The United States military 0.99

07:40:19.780 obliterated Iran's

07:40:21.940 nuclear weapons program with an attack 0.95

07:40:24.020 Go to radium soil.

07:40:28.820 This is not just a war about security.

07:40:30.980 It's an information war.

07:40:32.460 They need you to believe their stories,

07:40:34.160 or else it all comes crashing down.

07:40:36.520 This war began decades ago,

07:40:38.520 but now you have the right intelligence to guide you.

07:40:41.240 An army to march with,

07:40:42.680 brothers to discuss with,

07:40:44.420 and an admiral to lead the way.

07:40:46.120 Join the OSS army.

07:40:50.860 Under Trump, we will have...

07:40:52.580 Yeah, guys, just use the code.

07:40:55.880 It's literally a dollar to join. 1.00

07:41:01.680 We do get a couple of retards in there, 1.00

07:41:03.280 but we just kick them out like the fucking fitness retard. 1.00

07:41:08.100 And when you put the link in, 1.00

07:41:12.780 this is what pops up.

07:41:16.980 It gives you a discount already.

07:41:18.720 Makes it only one buck.

07:41:19.660 so um yeah i'm gonna cover the the kirk shooting we have some of the uncensored stuff here

07:41:25.880 and um obviously um we're gonna cover the clan and the fbi so we'll do a special true crime

07:41:34.780 racist episode with y'all diggers we get to combine the things we love the most

07:41:39.060 all right so come on over guys you rock with me you like my advice you want to support the mission 1.00

07:41:44.660 jump on in you're a fat faggot you don't like what i gotta say or you want to use steroids 1.00

07:41:48.920 like fitness the faggot well then i don't know go whack off somewhere but either way guys come on 1.00

07:41:55.680 over join the oss man do i know ss you can use the code l youtube or you can be a real nigga 0.99

07:42:00.980 just pay full price whatever seven bucks it's only ten bucks a month it's literally nothing 0.85

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