Join us as we discuss the R. Kelly case. We are joined by returning guest, Denzel "Tits" McGee. She talks about her time as a special agent and how she got her start in law enforcement.
00:00:00.780And we are live. What's up, guys? Welcome to Fed It. Today, we're going to break down the R. Kelly case, and I'm joined with a returning friend, a.k.a. Miss Tits McGee. She's back.
00:00:11.000Let's get in with guys. We've got a lot to talk about. Let's do it.
00:00:18.260Okay, guys. I used to be a special agent while I'm launching your investigations. This is the arrest paperwork, okay? So here is the booking. Cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug trafficking. Those are like two crimes that I'm a very good agent, very strong agent. I did a lot of big cases. I've done Title III intercepts, which is basically listening to phones. I've written hundreds of affidavits to arrest people. I've done a grand jury and testified a million times.
00:00:45.800I've done big cases. I've done. All right. What's up, guys? Welcome to Fed It 1811. Today, we're going to be talking about the R. Kelly case. So number one, quick announcements, guys. I'm really happy that you guys are all here. We had a very busy week this week. Tomorrow, we're not going to be doing Fresh and Fit. We're going to have Fresh and Fit on Tuesday, guys. And the reason why we're going to do it on Tuesday is because it's July 4th. A lot of people are not going to be home. They're going to be out traveling, whatever it may be. They're going to be doing barbecues and fireworks and everything.
00:01:14.520So we're going to go ahead and give you all Fresh and Fit Money Monday on Tuesday. We're probably going to talk about entrepreneurship. And then we're obviously going to give you guys a nighttime show as well. And then I'm debating whether I'm going to give you guys a second episode of Fed It. We'll see. Maybe I'll do one tomorrow. Who knows? I got another case that I want to cover with a bank robbery that I think you guys would really enjoy where I react to it.
00:01:38.180It's an old documentary from back in the 90s, but it's really good stuff. And I think you guys are going to join me in breaking it down for y'all.
00:01:44.120So let's see here. I think we had a super chat real quick. Actually, no, no. Denise, you want to introduce yourself to the people real quick?
00:01:50.140Yes. Hi, I'm Denise. I've been here before. I'm better known as Tits McGee.
00:01:57.640Nice to see everybody again. Missed everyone.
00:02:00.900Yeah, you got a reduction, didn't you?
00:02:09.880Okay. All right. Maybe later on in the show, we'll see what happens, guys.
00:02:13.320Yeah, yeah. I'll show you guys a little something.
00:02:17.220So, okay. We'll hit some of these chats.
00:02:18.880We got Marqueen912. You should do an episode on deadly use of force, reviewing law enforcement, shooting Tennessee versus Garner and the deadly force triangle.
00:02:25.000Yeah, I could do that. I don't know if the average viewer is going to care for that, though, bro.
00:02:28.920That's like a very you probably work in law enforcement asking a question like that.
00:02:31.940Like the average person is going to be like, what? I don't give a fuck about this.
00:02:35.220So let's see here. And then we got and thank you so much for the donation, my friend.
00:02:39.780All right. So I guess we'll what else?
00:02:45.360Okay. We got Monkey D. You saw five bucks.
00:02:47.700So if you want to come to my hotel, all you got to do is holla at me because we're having an after party.
00:02:53.220Check it out. Six is more. Six is he's referring to a song with Cassidy and R. Kelly.
00:02:59.060I remember that shit, man. That shit was a girl. You want to come to my hotel?
00:03:03.300Yeah. Yeah, man. I mean, R. Kelly had a lot of hits, man.
00:03:08.660Like it's it's crazy how things have changed and everything else like that.
00:03:13.840But all right. So I guess we'll get right into.
00:03:16.620Oh, and then sorry, guys, for starting kind of late.
00:03:18.900I've started running again. I was I lifted weights and then I actually went for a run.
00:03:23.400And I'm I got some things that I'm training for that I can't disclose yet.
00:03:27.260But yeah, you guys will see soon enough.
00:03:29.840But yeah, I started running again. So I had to like, you know, I come in and you know, when you go on a run, you fucking sweat for like a long ass time.
00:03:35.860And you're just like, oh, God. So I just showered and I'm still sweating a bit here.
00:03:39.240But yeah, it's good. I'm still good cardiovascular shape. So that makes me feel happy.
00:03:42.520I'm slower than I used to be, but I'm going to get back to like, you know, six minute miles.
00:03:45.660But anyway, with that said, let's see here.
00:03:49.960So we're going to go ahead, guys, and introduce you guys to who R. Kelly is.
00:03:54.320You know, some of you guys may not know who this guy is.
00:03:56.100He's probably before a lot of your guys this time.
00:05:30.500Okay, Aaliyah Dana Houghton, known monominously as Aaliyah, was an American singer, actress, dancer, and model.
00:05:39.640She has been credited for helping to redefine contemporary R&B, hip-hop, and hip-hop, earning her the nickname as the Princess of R&B and Queen of Urban Pop.
00:05:47.100Born in Brooklyn but raised in Detroit, she first gained recognition at the age of 10 when she appeared on the television show Star Search and performed in concert alongside Gladys Knight.
00:05:56.840At the age of 12, Aaliyah signed Wood Drive Records and her uncle Barry Hankerson's Black Ground Records, and that's when she met R. Kelly, guys, when she was 12.
00:06:04.620Hankerson introduced her to R. Kelly, who became her mentor as well as lead songwriter and producer of her debut album, Age Ain't Nothing But A Number.
00:06:11.960Oh, man, that did not, that aged perfectly, I guess, in a terrible way, right?
00:06:18.680Okay, the album sold 3 million copies in the United States and was certified double platinum by the Recording Industry Associates, RIAA, after allegations of an illegal marriage with R. Kelly, Aaliyah ended her contract with Jive and signed with Atlantic Records.
00:06:32.320And this, guys, is the marriage certificate right here that everyone is talking about.
00:06:39.540I'm going to share screen with y'all real fast.
00:08:22.540This is it right here, Surviving R. Kelly.
00:08:24.540In this documentary series on the tangled history of allegations against musician R. Kelly women give detailed accounts of sexual and mental abuse.
00:08:31.160Now, I'm going to reserve my thoughts on this documentary to the end, and we'll go over the facts.
00:08:37.580Yes, but there's some things here that we could definitely discuss when it comes to this documentary, because I did watch some of it.
00:08:45.980Denise, you watched the whole thing, right?
00:10:11.320So in 2021, the United States Attorney of the Eastern District of New York tried and won the first criminal conviction against Kelly for a sex offense
00:10:19.460with the jury finding Kelly guilty on a total of nine criminal counts, including violations of the Mann Act and racketeering.
00:10:25.600On June 29, 2022, Kelly was sentenced to 30 years in prison.
00:10:29.060Kelly continues to challenge his New York conviction.
00:10:31.020He actually sued them as well because they put him on a suicide watch.
00:12:47.860Like I said, I do this channel mostly for like your guys' education and entertainment.
00:12:52.480So the money, definitely, I appreciate it.
00:12:54.620You don't have to donate a dollar, but every dollar that you do donate, I appreciate it.
00:12:58.540And as you guys know, it goes right back into making the content better.
00:13:00.560Because I do spend a significant amount of time researching these cases for you guys, going through the legal documents.
00:13:05.580Hell, even Denise studied up and read some of the stuff for y'all so that she can, you know, be somewhere prepared and not just standing, sitting around like a bimbo.
00:13:37.720Because the parents did basically give their kids away to R. Kelly, you know, for the promise of or potential of their child being signed or making money and everything.
00:13:46.720And then when things didn't work out, a lot of them came back and was like, oh, well, you know, we were abused and stuff.
00:13:50.440And that's the argument that his defense made.
00:14:45.160Long story short, back in like late May, this guy fucking went on Twitch streaming, pulled out of AR-15, went into a supermarket and started shooting people.
00:21:26.380Kelly would often cruise high schools and the rock and roll McDonald's and the Evergreen Plaza shopping mall.
00:21:33.580Yeah, so Kelly, guys, just so you know, he went to Kenwood High School in Chicago and there was a McDonald's in that area as well.
00:21:40.140And he would always be there when he was starting to blow up in the 90s recruiting girls, you know, that were high school age, which is very stupid.
00:21:49.480Kelly once again settles out of court with former Epoch Records intern, Tracy Sampson, another person that came forward as a witness.
00:21:59.920You accused him of beginning a sexual relationship with her when she was 17.
00:22:03.040And then February 2002, as Kelly prepares to perform at the Winter Olympics, the Chicago Sun-Times reports on a video sent to them, allegedly showing Kelly engaging in sex, urinating on an underage girl.
00:22:18.100And that's where all the jokes come from with, I'm going to pee on you.
00:23:31.500The girl's aunt identifies her niece saying she would have been 14 at the time, while Kelly publicly denies he is the man in the video.
00:23:38.320And then there was rumors also that Kelly wanted to get his brother to take responsibility and say that he was the guy in the video doing it.
00:23:55.400So, 2002, Kelly pays an undisclosed amount to Patrice Jones, who claims the singer impregnated her when she was 16, who claims to be the singer, forced her to have an abortion.
00:27:02.880Guys, if there's one thing you're going to take away from this, you know, podcast and, you know, besides, you know, our entertainment here of R. Kelly doing stupid shit in the 90s and early 2000s, there's one thing you can take away from this.
00:27:14.000Because a lot of states, guys, they don't give a fuck if the girl lied to you.
00:27:18.060They don't care if the family lied to you.
00:27:19.560They don't care if you even looked at the ID and it was real, or sorry, it was fake, and you didn't know it was fake.
00:27:26.380If the girl was underage, you will not have a defense of saying, I didn't know or she lied.
00:28:35.200And images of Kelly having sex with an undisclosed girl are found in his home.
00:28:39.320Kelly is charged in Florida with 12 counts of child pornography, which are dropped when a judge rules there was insufficient evidence for the search.
00:28:45.660So, he got charged, guys, on this child pornography stuff, right, which I told you guys before, and he was acquitted.
00:28:52.920They're going to retry him August 15th for that in Chicago federally now.
00:28:57.160Now, that presents the potential issue of double jeopardy, which I'm going to play here.
00:29:02.680This attorney kind of breaks it down pretty well.
00:29:40.360These were very heavy sentences, but this has been a bad two days for the rich and famous Ms. Maxwell yesterday and R. Kelly today are both in effect sentences.
00:29:50.820Yes, Ghislaine Maxwell got 20 years, guys, and R. Kelly got 30 years.
00:29:53.880... sentenced to life in prison, and the size of R. Kelly's sentence, which exceeded the amount that the government was demanding, didn't really come as a surprise to me, given the fact that he, unusually enough, he was convicted of violations of the racketeering statute, what we commonly call the RICO statute, which...
00:30:16.920And you guys, you guys have been watching me for a while now.
00:30:35.720Because if you're able to show, because you guys can see, a lot of these crimes happened 20, 30 years ago, but they're able to bring it back and charge him, because under racketeering, all they need to show is that there's a pattern of criminal activity occurring over a period of time, and then, bam, they can get over the statute of limitations.
00:30:50.040It carries enormous penalties, so it was no surprise to me.
00:30:54.500So, Paul, as you pointed out, prosecutors were asking for 25 years, the judge issued a higher sentence than that.
00:31:04.040Why do you think that the prosecution didn't ask for a higher sentence, considering what you said?
00:31:08.440And how often does that happen, that the judge exceeds the prosecution's recommendations?
00:31:27.000When you go to trial, all right, what's going to happen is the government, and I can tell you guys this from personal experience, nobody else on YouTube can tell y'all this.
00:31:34.760Because I have prepared for a federal criminal trial before, okay?
00:31:38.380And I'll break this case down for y'all, but long story short, I had a case one time where we caught this human smuggler.
00:31:43.400He got caught smuggling a bunch of aliens into the United States, and he put the aliens in danger, and he was facing quite a bit of time, and this was like his third time getting arrested for this offense.
00:31:52.900So he said, fuck it, I'm going to trial.
00:31:56.620If he had just pled guilty, he would have got significantly less time because he would have got a plea bargain.
00:32:01.460In most cases, guys, especially in the federal system, are pretty much settled through a plea bargain where the guy says, all right, I'll plead guilty, I'll give a statement of my guilt, and in exchange for the government not having to waste time and money preparing for trial, I will get a lesser sentence.
00:32:18.560Let me tell you guys what happens when you go to fucking trial.
00:32:20.540Now, as the case agent, you essentially become the prosecutor's bitch, all right?
00:32:25.220I'm going to say it, I'm going to fuck, and it is the truth.
00:32:28.200Once you go to trial, it's your job to gather all the evidence, gather all the witnesses, corral everyone up, get all the agents that were involved in search warrants, whatever it may be.
00:32:38.060You're going to go and get them all ready and bring them to the U.S. attorney's office, have the attorney prep everyone up, have all the documents ready, help them with discovery, all that stuff, okay?
00:32:47.180You have to arm the prosecutor with everything they need to win the trial, okay?
00:32:53.620Because when you go to trial, all right, now you have to prove in front of a jury through due process and everything else like that, that this person is not just guilty, but they're guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a very high burden to prove, okay?
00:33:07.560Okay, so when you're there, you're responsible for making sure that AUSA has everything they need, because remember, guys, AUSAs don't really have arrest authority like that.
00:33:17.580You know, they're considered a law enforcement officer of the United States to a degree, but they don't really go out and interview people and gather witnesses.
00:35:21.840We're talking about R. Kelly here and his charges.
00:35:24.920And judges do have, even in the federal courts, much more so in the state courts, judges do have discretion to exceed what we call the sentencing guidelines.
00:35:38.960And this particular judge is not known as a harsh sentencer, but she's a very attentive judge.
00:35:47.240And she must have formed some very distinct reactions to this.
00:35:52.120And the government had, like, 40 witnesses against him, guys.
00:35:54.940It was pretty bad, which is why it's very difficult to believe him, you know?
00:35:59.680Kelly's demeanor, his constant substitution of lawyers, I think that tended to cut against him.
00:36:27.680Like, it's a logistical nightmare, guys, from the case agent perspective and the U.S. Attorney's Office perspective to have a case like this where you've got to fly in 40-plus witnesses who are all over the fucking country, maybe the world.
00:36:51.000And then with someone like R. Kelly, where this is going to get a lot of media attention, it becomes an even bigger spectacle, okay?
00:36:56.620So they've got to pay the Federal Protective Service quite a bit of money.
00:37:01.560The marshals are on high alert because when you have a big case like this, it's very expensive to fund it.
00:37:09.120Again, the basic principle would be that she, the judge in the Kelly case, was applying that driving force of the racketeering statute, which was not an element in Ms. Maxwell's sentencing yesterday.
00:37:27.340Yes, and that is why, for all you guys that are saying, yo, America's racist or whatever, why did Ghislaine Maxwell get less time than R. Kelly?
00:37:34.460The reason why she got less time, guys, is because R. Kelly, they got him under RICO, guys.
00:37:39.980When you go under RICO, it's going to be a very bad time for you, my friends.
00:37:48.680The RICO statute, guys, is the same law that's put pretty much the entire La Cosa Nostra, mafia, blood gangs, Casanova, 6-9, the mafia, a lot of these gangs that you guys are seeing getting, like, sweeping indictments on.
00:41:08.160So now we're going to go into the second case now in August, guys, that he's going to go to trial for the child pornography charges in Chicago.
00:41:17.600So another district indicted him for child pornography out there.
00:41:46.360But he's going to get into what his defense team should do.
00:41:49.380Remember, this guy's a defense attorney.
00:41:50.600So he just, you know, that my man just dodged that question like a fucking ninja.
00:41:54.920By a state court on the charges for which he is now going to be tried in the federal court in Illinois.
00:42:02.080So, number one, I would have the issue as his lawyer of whether or not he was facing double jeopardy.
00:42:08.040In fact, being tried, tried twice for the same offense.
00:42:12.400And it may well be that, given the sentence here in New York against Kelly, the proceeding in federal court in Illinois, in Chicago, may well disappear.
00:42:28.860I'm not making that prediction, but that does often happen.
00:42:34.740Yeah, I'm actually very intrigued as to how they were able to put this case against him as well, knowing that he beat the case in Illinois.
00:42:44.220But there are rumors that he paid off jurors and all this other stuff.
00:42:46.540So if that was the case, they might be able to bring those charges against against him.
00:43:04.780I'll put aside the pornographic element of all of this, which is horrendous.
00:43:11.780But as a technical matter, and I don't want to, you know, hack in the weeds, I think he may have a stronger basis for an appeal of the racketeering conviction.
00:43:23.160Because essential to establishing a racketeering conviction are a few elements.
00:43:30.360But in order to do that, you as the government have to show that the victim was damaged in his or her business or property.
00:43:40.920And it seems to me from the start, a glaring omission here has been the lack of an impact.
00:43:50.600Well, I don't doubt the suffering of these young women and now grown women.
00:43:56.320This is an interesting point that he's about to bring up here, guys.
00:43:58.640So let's brace ourselves for this one.
00:44:01.440Also, I got to stop it so that I don't get hit with any type of copyright from CBS.
00:44:07.000But when they interview people like this, this is when it can be a little bit better.
00:44:09.360Because at least, like, they're bringing in someone that's, like, an expert and he can give an opinion.
00:44:13.340And this guy, he's pretty accurate with what he's saying, you know, as a defense attorney.
00:44:17.960But significantly omitted from the proof was what were the money damages sustained by the victims?
00:44:27.980And Kelly may have a fairly strong argument along those lines, in which case the subject...
00:44:37.500And what he means by that, guys, is you need to be able to articulate damages that you had.
00:44:40.440So, like, for example, when they indicted the mafia, right, and they were able to get them for loan sharking and, you know, extortion, all the other stuff, they were able to establish from witnesses and businesses and all these other entities, yo, the mafia ripped me off for $10,000 every month.
00:44:54.420I had to pay them in extortion fees or they were running gambling rackets where they were making this amount of money or they were loan sharking me this amount of money, which loan sharking is basically giving you a loan on an extremely high interest rate, you know, maybe 50% lend you $1,000.
00:45:09.440All right, motherfucker, if you don't bring my fucking money by tomorrow, you're going to be sleeping with the fishes, 50% interest, asshole, like some type of shit like that, right?
00:45:15.680So, it's all tangible because it's related to money.
00:45:19.100In this situation, it's a little bit more ambiguous because he's bringing girls in, banging them under the potential, you know, the potential that they'll be his girlfriend or maybe get a record deal or whatever.
00:45:29.900It's extremely unclear where the damages are with them.
00:45:41.540But it's very difficult to be able to articulate that in a tangible fashion, okay?
00:45:48.580That does not mean that the victims are less credible.
00:45:51.140That does not mean that the victims did not deal with trauma.
00:45:55.680It's just very difficult to judge that from the RICO perspective because with the RICO charge, a lot of the times, you need to establish damages.
00:46:05.140And a lot of the time, that comes from some type of monetary amount.
00:46:07.840That's why it was so easy to go after the mafia because when they were running the labor rackets and everything else like that, they were able to easily show that the mafia was making this amount of money.
00:46:32.980But here, with this situation, it's not as clear-cut and defined.
00:46:38.240Substance wouldn't be reversed, but the case might well be sent back for the government to have another try at establishing that critical element of loss, of monetary or financial loss.
00:46:51.160All right, Paul Batista, if you could stand by for one moment.
00:46:53.520We also want to bring in CBS News national correspondent, Rican.
00:46:55.860Okay, so we're going to go ahead and read the DOJ press release here, guys.
00:47:00.620Okay, so R. Kelly convicted of all counts by a federal grand jury, by a federal jury in Brooklyn.
00:47:05.880Just so you guys know, by the way, anytime that you are looking up a federal, you want to check out a federal case, whatever it may be, always come to the usdoj.gov website.
00:47:15.400As you guys can see, this is the official joint because it's justice.gov.
00:47:18.160Okay, this is the U.S. Attorney's website.
00:47:19.800Each district, and this is the Eastern District of New York, which is in Brooklyn.
00:47:22.540Okay, you got the Southern District of New York, which we've talked about them quite a bit.
00:47:25.160One of the most aggressive judicial districts in the United States.
00:47:28.360And then you got the Eastern District of New York, which is in Brooklyn.
00:47:30.600The Southern District of New York is based in Manhattan.
00:47:34.100Kelly found guilty of racketeering and multiple predicate acts, including illegal sex with minors, sexual exploitation of minors, bribery, coercion, and forced labor.
00:47:44.320Robert Sylvester Kelly, which I didn't know.
00:47:45.880Actually, you know, before I read this thing, let's go ahead and hit some of these chats real fast.
00:48:21.260Matter of fact, an agent that I used to work with that was my supervisor, he's actually going to be involved in that case.
00:48:27.160So, and as you guys know, I started my career in Laredo, Texas.
00:48:30.500Pretty much when I was doing those human smuggling cases in Laredo, guys, the aliens almost always were going to San Antonio.
00:48:35.420So I have a very deep, intimate knowledge of how human smuggling works in that area of the United States.
00:48:40.120And this is not the first time that I've seen a tractor trailer.
00:48:43.640Back in 2016, when I was in Laredo, Texas, we had another case where we had like 70 of them in an tractor trailer and a bunch of them, even more of them died.
00:50:29.640It was convicted today by R&B singer R. Kelly was convicted today by a federal grand jury in Brooklyn of all nine counts of superseding indictment charging him with racketeering predicated on criminal conduct, including sexual exploitation of children, forced labor, and the Mann Act violations involving the coercion and transportation of women and girls in interstate commerce to engage in sexual activity, illegal sexual activity.
00:50:51.440The verdict followed six weeks of trial before United States District Judge Ann M. Donnelly.
00:50:57.580So, guys, just so you guys know, for some of you guys that are wondering, yo, how are the feds able to pick this shit up?
00:51:02.340The reason why, guys, is because the violations involving the coercion and transportation of women and girls in interstate commerce.
00:51:14.200This is your worst nightmare as a criminal right here.
00:51:18.000This is what gives the feds jurisdiction to go ahead and take over these types of investigations.
00:51:22.520Once he started, like, using the phone to get girls to come and hang out with them or, you know, using people to recruit the girls or whatever and having them travel state lines and everything else like that, boom.
00:51:32.180Now the feds can come in and do the investigation.
00:51:35.240And we know when the feds come, it's going to be a bad time for you, more than likely.
00:51:56.900When you come over to the main thing on usdoj.gov and you're reading these articles, always look at, like, who – it doesn't matter who the U.S. attorney is because, like, every jurisdiction has a U.S. attorney.
00:52:07.880But to figure out which agency actually did the investigation, it's the first person that makes the announcement.
00:52:13.480So in this case, it was HSI New York that did the case.
00:52:16.300These are the same guys that did the 6ix9ine case as well, HSI New York.
00:52:20.820And then today's guilty verdict forever brands R. Kelly as a predator who used his fame and fortune to prey on the young, the vulnerable, and the voiceless for his own sexual gratification, stated acting U.S. Attorney Casoulis.
00:52:33.220A predator who used his inner circle to ensnare underage teenage girls and young women and men for decades in a sordid web of sexual abuse, exploitation, and degradation.
00:52:43.320Yes, he did actually abuse a man as well – a boy, allegedly, guys, according to the indictment in the trial.
00:52:50.180The victims in this case, your voices were heard, and justice was finally served.
00:52:53.440We hope that today's verdict brings some measure of comfort and disclosure to the victims.
00:52:56.880Ms. Casoulis also thanked the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of Illinois and the Cook County State Attorney's Office for their assistance with the case.
00:53:04.260Remember, guys, they had all the original documents.
00:53:06.880As proven at trial for nearly three decades, Kelly was a leader of a criminal enterprise, the enterprise, consisting of himself and an entourage of individuals who served as managers, bodyguards, accountants, drivers, personal assistants, and runners for the defendant.
00:53:23.000As the leader of the enterprise, Kelly used his fame to recruit women and girls to engage in illegal sexual activity with him.
00:53:29.560Kelly identified these girls and women at concerts and then directed members of the enterprise to escort them backstage following his musical performances.
00:53:36.680Kelly exchanged contact information with girls and women so that he and other members of the enterprise could arrange travel and lodging for them to visit Kelly and engage in the charged illegal sexual conduct.
00:53:45.660See, this is where Kelly fucked up right here.
00:53:47.220This is what all music artists do, by the way, guys.
00:53:51.220Fucking any big music artists that you know, this is what they do.
00:53:54.840They don't go up to the girl themselves and talk to them.
00:53:57.040They always get their member of their entourage to go and talk to the girl for them.
00:54:08.420However, where Kelly fucked up here was he was doing this shit with underage fucking girls, man.
00:54:14.400Now, a lot of these girls, he would promise the parents that he would go ahead and help them with their music career, make them famous, get them some exposure, whatever it is.
00:54:57.180People that worked for him, his own family, his accountant.
00:55:01.140All these people testified against Kelly that he was basically running an organization to conceal his criminal activity, which is why they were able to come at him for the racketeering and saying it was an enterprise.
00:55:22.040So, text messages, video, and audio recordings, photographs, phone, and travel records, DNA evidence, and expert witnesses.
00:55:30.540Kelly issued rules that many of his sexual partners were required to follow, including that the women and girls were to call him daddy.
00:55:39.160They were not permitted to leave their homes or their rooms to eat or visit the bathroom without receiving his permission.
00:55:46.960They were required to wear baggy clothes when not accompanying Kelly to an event, and they were directed to keep their heads down and not look at or speak to other men.
00:55:53.320Kelly also isolated the women and girls from their friends and family and made them dependent on him for their financial well-being.
00:56:01.660He required the victims to engage in sex with him and others and recorded many of the sexual encounters.
00:56:11.200And what I'm going to do is I'm going to pull up this indictment for you guys real fast, but we're going to read it from the DOJ thing because it outlines it a lot clearer.
00:56:17.860But I'm going to, just for educational purposes, I'm going to show you guys what a federal indictment looks like.
00:56:21.600So, this is out of the Eastern United States District Court, Eastern District of New York, United States of America against R. Kelly.
00:56:30.060Now, the Enterprise, the defendant Robert Sylvester Kelly, also known as R. Kelly, and individuals who served as managers, bodyguards, drivers, and personal assistants, and runners for Kelly, as well as members of Kelly's entourage, comprised, and enterprise.
00:56:39.980Now, why the hell are they referring to R. Kelly's organization as an enterprise?
00:56:43.940The reason why they're referring to it as an enterprise, guys, is because this is critical for racketeering statutes.
00:56:48.600Remember, they're not necessarily just charging him with sex trafficking.
00:56:52.720They're charging him with sex trafficking under the premise that it's under RICO, okay, the racketeering act.
00:57:02.260The enterprise consisted of an ongoing organization whose members function as a continuing unit for a common purpose of achieving the objectives of the enterprise.
00:57:11.520The purpose of the enterprise were to promote R. Kelly's music and the R. Kelly brand and to recruit women and girls to engage in legal sexual activity with Kelly.
00:57:19.160By promoting R. Kelly's music and the R. Kelly brand, the members of the enterprise expected to receive financial opportunities and personal benefits, including increased power and status within the enterprise.
00:57:29.160So, like I told you all before, he promised he sold these girls a dream.
00:57:32.300And in connection with the enterprise, Kelly and other members of the enterprise traveled throughout the United States and abroad to perform at concert venues to promote the R. Kelly brand and to recruit women and girls to engage in sexual activity with Kelly.
00:57:47.300He was using, right, the girls and traveling interstate and doing all this extra shit, and that's what gave the feds jurisdiction.
00:57:53.340When Kelly attended and performed at concerts and other events, Kelly and or members of the enterprise on Kelly's behalf invited women and girls backstage and to other events following Kelly's live performances.
00:58:03.660Let me enlarge this for you all a little bit so you guys can see it better on your TV screens.
00:58:07.560These women and girls were often offered wristbands that signified that they were authorized to attend an event.
00:58:12.860There, Kelly relied upon members of the enterprise to ensure that only those authorized to attend were allowed at the event and to manage the flow of women and girls who were directly interacting with Kelly.
00:58:21.180When Kelly identified a woman or a girl who he wished to see again, he either gave his contact information to the woman or girl or obtained her contact information or relied upon members of the enterprise to do so.
00:58:30.860Following these events, Kelly communicated with certain of these women and girls by telephone, including the use of traditional telephone calls, text messages, iMessages, and FaceTime.
00:58:39.580As part of this communication, Kelly often requested that the women and girls provide them with photographs of themselves.
00:58:45.840Again, guys, when you use phones, text messages, FaceTime, all that stuff, what does it do?
00:58:55.620Kelly and other members of the enterprise also arranged for the women and girls to travel to see Kelly on occasion, including at concerts throughout the United States and related events.
00:59:02.740To facilitate their travel, Kelly directed the women and girls to contact a member of the enterprise who then arranged for travel for the women and girls.
00:59:09.240When the women and girls arrived at the lodging, which was typically selected by a member of the enterprise, a member of the enterprise usually provided them with instructions.
00:59:16.520In addition, members of the enterprise took steps to ensure that the women and girls did not interact with other women and girls whom Kelly planned to see.
00:59:23.320So, guys, let's also deal with this elephant in the room.
00:59:27.040A big part of the reason why a lot of these people cooperated with the government was to not be prosecuted themselves for assisting R. Kelly in doing these criminal activities.
00:59:37.080So, they cooperated with the government to avoid prosecution as well.
00:59:41.700You know, we got to call a spade a fucking spade.
00:59:44.820Members of the enterprise then arranged for the women and girls to attend this concert to position them such that Kelly could see them during his concerts.
00:59:51.400Kelly from, and you guys are wondering, well, why are they putting all this stuff in this indictment?
00:59:55.620The reason, guys, is because they're establishing that it's an enterprise, step one, and then step two, that the enterprise affects interstate commerce.
01:00:01.880That's why they're talking about using phones.
01:00:03.200That's why they're talking about travel.
01:00:04.100That's why they're talking about him providing them lodging.
01:00:06.640That's why they're talking about members of the enterprise giving them instructions.
01:00:09.900All this, okay, creates a picture that we have a sophisticated criminal organization that is committing criminal activity while simultaneously, okay, affecting interstate commerce, which now gives the feds jurisdiction.
01:00:26.040So, the beginning part of this indictment is giving the feds venue.
01:00:29.840In addition, members of the enterprise took steps to ensure that the women and girls did not interact with other women and girls whom Kelly planned to see.
01:00:41.400Members of the enterprise then arranged for the women and girls to attend this concert and position them such that Kelly could see them during his concert.
01:00:46.860Okay, also, I want to mention this part right here.
01:00:50.800Because the girls all gave very similar testimonies and stories even though they don't necessarily know each other, which actually made Kelly look a lot more guilty.
01:01:00.380Because if you got a bunch of girls from different places and they're all giving a very similar story, right?
01:01:05.940Hey, I wasn't permitted to eat at this time or he made me call him daddy or he made me do this or whatever.
01:01:10.660And a bunch of girls are able to corroborate the same set of facts without knowing each other.
01:01:15.540That, my friends, is a clue that more than likely your witnesses are telling the truth.
01:01:22.400When I had a confidential informant, right, you can't necessarily go off of a confidential informant's word alone.
01:01:29.680You need to be able to corroborate it.
01:01:31.380So what I would do, right, when I was, and witnesses, cooperating defendants, confidential informants, they're all the same because they're providing you information, okay?
01:01:40.820However, when you're getting this information, you have to be able to corroborate it through other people.
01:01:45.620So it would be common where I would interview a confidential informant.
01:01:49.380I would debrief him, then after I debrief him, I would talk with law enforcement officers, I would talk with other witnesses, I would talk with the criminal himself sometimes, etc.
01:01:59.320And they would confirm certain things that the informant would say or other witnesses would say.
01:02:04.200And what you do is you extrapolate, okay, the truth from all these separate interviews from separate people that don't necessarily know each other, okay?
01:02:13.500That is how you build credibility in witnesses, informants, and cooperating defendants.
01:02:18.560You never get the story just from them.
01:02:20.260You get the story from multiple people and that they're able to confirm certain facts, okay, that all of them experienced or saw themselves.
01:02:30.000That adds another layer of credibility to that person's testimony, okay?
01:03:15.460The reason why I want the likes up, guys, is because this video needs to get, you know, out there, all right?
01:03:20.700So that more people can watch the video, learn, understand federal law, understand how sex trafficking works, how racketeering works, et cetera.
01:03:27.600Okay, and then they start going in facts here with how, you know, how the girls weren't allowed to do certain things.
01:03:36.200So means and methods of the enterprise.
01:03:37.880So let's go ahead and go back to the U.S. DOJ article.
01:03:40.100I just wanted to show you guys the, how, how the feds were able to establish venue, okay?
01:03:47.440And this is a, well, I think this one is a 27-page indictment.
01:03:51.680And they superseded, they did several superseding indictments, guys, which basically means they charge them once, and then they get more evidence, charge them again, give them a super, and that's a superseding indictment where it overrides the one before because they got new charges.
01:04:04.180And I think they did, like, three superseding indictments on this guy, okay?
01:04:12.020Kelly bribed a state employee to create an identification card for Jane Doe, number one, and then 15 years old, so that Kelly could marry Jane Doe, number one, because they believe she was pregnant, and therefore their marriage can keep them out of jail.
01:04:22.280Who are they talking about here, guys?
01:04:53.580And we showed you guys the marriage certificate earlier, so, yeah.
01:04:58.560Racketeering Acts 2, 7, and 10, sexual exploitation of a child, Jane Doe.
01:05:02.280And some of you guys are probably wondering, what is bribery?
01:05:03.800Bribery is essentially when you're paying someone to do something, to overlook something, or to commit criminal activity against their position.
01:05:11.540Typically, they're in a trusted position, and you're paying them to not do what they're supposed to do.
01:05:16.680That's, like, a very layman's terms way of putting it for you guys.
01:05:19.700Racketeering Acts 2, 7, and 10, sexual exploitation of a child, Jane Doe, number two, Jane Doe, number four, and Jane Doe, number five.
01:05:26.180You guys are probably wondering, why the fuck are they using Jane Doe's?
01:05:28.240The reason why, guys, is because the girls were underage at the time of the criminal activity, and a lot of times, to protect the victim's identity, they just call them Jane Doe, just like a John Doe.
01:05:35.380So, Kelly, of course, Jane Doe, number two, Jane Doe, number four, and Jane Doe, number five, to engage in sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing video recordings.
01:05:42.520Over the course of decades, he made these recordings and other recordings of sexually explicit conduct using VHS video cameras, Canon camcorders, iPhones, and iPads.
01:06:02.720Racketary Acts 11 and 13, forced labor.
01:06:06.100Kelly used a threat of physical harm and physical restraint to ensure that his victims, including Jane Doe, number four, Jane Doe, number five, and Jane Doe, number six, performed sexually at his command.
01:06:15.000So, these three witnesses right here, Jane, four, five, and six, are probably the government's best witnesses.
01:06:20.900It's probably what it looks like to me, because I'm noticing a trend here that a bunch...
01:06:24.800That they're in a couple of the different counts.
01:06:26.380Uh, as to Jane Doe, number four, he slapped her, choked her, and spit on her before demanding she give him oral sex.
01:06:33.020As to Jane Doe, number five, over a period of years, he spanked her, viciously assaulted her, confined her for periods of days, and otherwise manipulated her to ensure that she would perform for him sexually, including with other women and a man.
01:06:43.640As to Jane Doe, number six, he forced her to give him oral sex.
01:06:46.620When he did that, there was a gun within Kelly's reach.
01:06:51.740Between May 2009 and January 2010, Kelly regularly spoke with Jane Doe, number four, over the telephone to arrange for Jane Doe, number four, to come to his residence in Olympia Fields for the purpose of illegal sexual activity, which was illegal because Jane Doe, four, was too young to consent to sex in Illinois.
01:07:07.960Similarly, between September 2015 and October 2015, Kelly transported Jane Doe, number five, who was then 17 years old, from New York City to Oakland, California, for the purpose of illegal sexual activity, as she was too young to consent to sex in California.
01:08:23.160Just, guys, only fuck with 18-year-olds, bro.
01:08:25.660But, yeah, some of these states have lower ages of consent.
01:08:28.180And also, keep in mind, also, just because it's the age of consent, guys, you also got to play into the fact that, like, the distance between the man and the woman change.
01:08:37.860Like, you can only, you know, there's Romeo and Juliet laws, which basically allow for a certain amount of years in between the two parties.
01:08:44.820So, just deal with girls that are 18, bro, and above.
01:08:54.300Like, you know, can you potentially, you know, deal with a girl that's younger if your state has a lower age of consent and then you're young enough to, you know, maybe fall within the Romeo and Juliet guidelines?
01:09:21.140See, guys, the Man Act, also known as the White Slave Traffic Act of 1910, is a federal law that criminalizes transportation to any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery or for any other immoral purpose.
01:09:41.120So, it was passed in June 1910 and named after Illinois Congressman James R. Mann invoked in the Commerce Clause to felonize the use of interstate or foreign commerce to transport women for immoral purposes.
01:09:54.260The act was aimed at prostitution, immorality, and human trafficking.
01:09:56.960Congress appointed a commission in 1907 to investigate into the problem of immigrant prostitutes.
01:10:01.300It was alleged that immigrant women were brought to America for sexual slavery and immigrant women lured American girls into prostitution or white slavery.
01:10:08.820The committees believed that no girl would enter prostitution unless drugged or held captive.
01:10:13.160This led to public outrage, which eventually resulted in the enactment of the Man Act.
01:10:19.040Now, does every pimp get charged with the Man Act, guys?
01:10:21.220No, because a lot of the times they're able to establish that the girls wanted to be prostitutes, which is why human trafficking is very difficult to prove, guys.
01:10:27.900However, it's easy to prove human trafficking if the girl is underage, okay?
01:10:34.880Which is what the government was able to do in R. Kelly's case.
01:10:37.760If these girls were of age, he probably wouldn't have been getting hit with as hard of the charges that he's getting hit now.
01:10:44.100But since he was a fucking dummy and wanted to deal with girls that were young and, you know, be on this risky type shit, that's why they were able to hit him with the Man Act.
01:10:52.120Because the girls can't consent, guys.
01:10:54.480Even if they consented at the time or they didn't feel like they were being prostitutes or maybe they didn't feel like they were being used or whatever, they're not old enough to consent.
01:11:04.600Now the Man Act pretty much attaches itself to the criminal activity automatically.
01:11:08.640However, if you're like a pimp and you got like 20 girls that work underneath you and they're all 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, whatever the hell it is, right?
01:11:17.860And you're pimping them out, literally pimping them out.
01:11:21.420However, the girls are all of age and they're like, hey, listen, I know my pimp, you know, beats me and all this other shit and, you know, whatever.
01:12:06.140Racketeering Acts 8, 13, and 14 Man Act violations.
01:12:09.620In April 2015, Kelly arranged for Jane Doe No. 5 to fly from her home in Orlando, Florida to Los Angeles, California for the purpose of illegal sexual activity,
01:12:17.240which was illegal because Kelly knew he had an incurable sexually transmitted disease and did not inform Jane Doe No. 5 about the STD prior to engaging in sexual intercourse with her.
01:12:28.560In May of 2017 and again in February of 2018, Kelly arranged for Jane Doe No. 6 to fly from her home in San Antonio, Texas to LaGuardia Airport in Queens, New York for the purpose of illegal sexual activity,
01:12:43.720which again was illegal because Kelly failed to disclose that he had an incurable STD and obtained Jane Doe No. 6's consent to engage in sexual intercourse under those circumstances.
01:12:53.900So, yes, he ended up getting 30 years for this, guys.
01:13:06.100So here is his judgment, which we're going to go over real quick with y'all.
01:13:11.680So a judgment, guys, is basically when the government hands down your charge against you.
01:13:19.320So before I pull up the judgment, can we go ahead and get, Denise, can we go ahead and get the chats?
01:26:34.380Why would these women say the same thing about you, that you are controlling, that you are abusive, that you tell women when to eat, when to go to the bathroom, when they can sleep, where they can dress?
01:26:46.660Why would all these women tell these different stories about you if they were not true?