The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Former Fed Explains YSL SNITCHES & New Charges On Young Thug!

00:00:00.140 And we are live. What's up, guys? Welcome to FedIt. Today, we're going to be talking about the O.J. Simpson case.

00:00:04.880 You guys have been requesting this one. We've got a lot to break down. Let's get into it, baby.

00:00:10.660 I was a special agent with Homeland Security Investigations, okay, guys? HSI.

00:00:13.980 The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug trafficking.

00:00:19.080 No one else has these documents, by the way.

00:00:21.380 Here's what FedIt covers.

00:00:23.120 Dr. Lafredo confirmed lacerations due to stepping on glass.

00:00:29.020 Murder Investigations.

00:00:30.340 You see him reaching in his jacket. You don't know.

00:00:32.600 And he's positioning.

00:00:33.280 Been on February 13, 2019.

00:00:34.960 You're facing two counts of two meditative measures.

00:00:38.100 Racketeering and Rico conspiracies.

00:00:39.920 Young Slime Life here and after referred to as YSL.

00:00:42.500 This is 6ix9ine. And then this is Billy Seiko right here. 0.96

00:00:45.960 Now, when they first started, guys, 6ix9ine ran with me. 0.98

00:00:48.580 I'm upset. I'm watching this music video.

00:00:50.820 You know, I'm bobbing my head like, hey, this shit lit.

00:00:52.920 But at the same time, I'm pausing.

00:00:54.400 Oh, wait, who this? Right?

00:00:56.180 Who's that in the back? 0.73

00:00:57.040 Firearms and Violent Climbs.

00:00:59.500 A.K.A. Bush Icy violated.

00:01:01.460 In order to stay away from the victim.

00:01:03.160 Bush Icy arrested after shooting at King of Diamonds.

00:01:05.500 Miami strip club injured one person.

00:01:07.200 This is the one that's going to fuck him up because this gun is not tracing me.

00:01:10.720 Well, it happened at the gun range.

00:01:11.860 Here's your boy, 42 Doug, right here on the left.

00:01:14.160 Okay. Sex trafficking and sex crimes.

00:01:15.860 They can effectively link him to paying an underage girl.

00:01:19.160 I'm going to lock my 50-1 at right.

00:01:20.680 And the first bomb went off right here.

00:01:23.420 The suspect to set down a back path on the site of the second explosion inspired by Al-Qaeda.

00:01:28.740 Two terrorists, the brothers, the Zokar Sarnev and Tamerlan Sarnev.

00:01:33.300 When the cartels shipped drugs into the country.

00:01:35.340 This guy got arrested for espionage, okay?

00:01:38.040 Trading secrets with the Russians for monetary compensation. 0.57

00:01:41.720 The largest corrupt police bust in New Orleans history.

00:01:46.320 The days of the police are gone.

00:01:47.920 So he was in this bad boy.

00:01:49.440 We're going to go over his past, the gang time, so that this all makes sense.

00:01:59.480 All right.

00:02:00.220 What's up, guys?

00:02:00.700 Welcome to Fed It, man.

00:02:01.800 Today, we're going to be breaking down the O.J. Simpson case.

00:02:03.780 This case has been highly requested.

00:02:05.420 I spent the past week researching this thing.

00:02:08.600 Go back into memory lane real quick.

00:02:09.880 So I'm 32 years old, guys.

00:02:14.040 I was born in 1990.

00:02:15.120 I vividly remember the Bronco chase through the streets of L.A.

00:02:19.320 when I was, what, four years old at the time.

00:02:22.760 And, man, it was crazy.

00:02:25.160 And I remember my dad was, like, glued to the TV watching this case from beginning to end.

00:02:29.420 So I know he's going to love this breakdown in particular, man.

00:02:31.980 So shout out to Pops out there.

00:02:33.820 You know who you are, you old fuck.

00:02:35.240 But anyway, guys, this is probably the biggest case, like, the most sensationalized case in U.S. history.

00:02:44.360 I don't think there was another case that got this kind of coverage.

00:02:47.240 This thing makes the Amber Heard situation look like a joke.

00:02:50.680 This was a 10-month-long trial.

00:02:52.140 It was a ridiculous story.

00:02:54.800 You got a famed former NFL star turned actor turned sponsored athlete with Hertz, you know, accused of murdering his wife, okay, who was a Caucasian attractive woman, by the way, and another Caucasian male in cold blood, man.

00:03:13.220 And the violence, and we're going to talk about this in a documentary.

00:03:16.600 We're going to react to a documentary.

00:03:17.540 I got a couple documentaries here, actually, that we're going to react to.

00:03:20.680 But it was crazy.

00:03:22.700 I remember you couldn't explain what it was like.

00:03:27.380 I can't even explain it.

00:03:28.340 Like, if you lived through it, you know what I'm talking about.

00:03:30.200 And I was a kid.

00:03:30.880 I can only imagine for the guys out there that were adults.

00:03:33.740 This was crazy.

00:03:35.020 So anyway, let's get right into it, guys.

00:03:36.920 I'm going to go ahead and share screen with y'all real fast.

00:03:39.600 And we're going to go ahead and get right into it.

00:03:41.420 So who's O.J. Simpson, guys?

00:03:42.580 O.J. Simpson is Orenthel James Simpson, born July 1947, nicknamed the Juice, is an American football, former football running back, broadcaster, and convicted felon who played for the Buffalo Bills and San Francisco 49ers of the NFL.

00:03:56.520 Once a private figure with the U.S. public, he is now best known for being tried for the murders of his former wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ron Goldman.

00:04:05.320 Simpson was acquitted of the murders of criminal court, was later found responsible for both deaths in a civil trial.

00:04:10.700 And we're going to talk about that here in a little bit.

00:04:13.360 He went to USC, guys, where he was a star.

00:04:15.700 He played for the Trojans, won the Heisman Trophy in 1968, played professionally as running back in the NFL for 11 seasons, primarily with the Buffalo Bills from 1969 to 1977.

00:04:24.960 He also played for the San Francisco 49ers from 78 to 79 in 1973, became the first NFL player to rush for more than 2,000 yards in a season.

00:04:33.960 He holds the record for the single-season yards per game average, which stands at 143.1.

00:04:41.280 He was the only player to rush for over 2,000 yards in the 14-game regular season NFL format.

00:04:46.220 Simpson was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 1983 and the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1985 after retiring from football, began a new career in acting and football broadcasting.

00:04:56.840 And, you know, and then this goes into the case, which we'll go ahead and that's obviously going to be summarized later on.

00:05:03.500 Now we got his wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, guys, okay, which he met her when she was 18, guys, at a restaurant.

00:05:10.480 She was, I think, either a server or a greeter, a hostess. 0.95

00:05:15.080 She was the ex-wife of former professional American football player O.J. Simpson, whom she was married to from 1985 to 1992.

00:05:22.220 She was born in 59, guys, so she died at 35.

00:05:24.620 She was the mother of their two children, Sidney and Justin.

00:05:28.880 Two years after her divorce from Simpson, Brown was stabbed to death at her Los Angeles home on June 12, 1994, along with her friend, waiter, Ron Goldman.

00:05:36.400 Okay, Simpson, who had a history of physically abusing and making death threats towards Brown, was arrested and accused of both killings.

00:05:43.320 Following a controversial, highly publicized criminal trial, which included evidence linking Simpson to the murders, Simpson was acquitted of all charges.

00:05:49.580 He was later found liable for both deaths in a civil lawsuit in 1997.

00:05:52.680 Okay, what do you guys mean by, like, liable?

00:05:55.620 Okay, so in civil court, guys, the burden of proof is far less.

00:05:59.740 In a criminal case, it's beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:06:01.900 In a civil case, it's preponderance of the evidence, which just pretty much means 51%, okay?

00:06:07.360 If you can prove 51% that you were liable, bam, you're going to be found liable, and that's how civil cases are typically done.

00:06:13.660 So, obviously, they weren't able to convict them in the criminal court, but they had more than enough information in the civil court.

00:06:20.240 And we're going to talk about a key piece of evidence that they used in the civil trial that they did not use in the criminal trial in the civil case, okay?

00:06:28.880 So we're going to talk about that as well.

00:06:30.400 Man, I did my homework, so we're ready to go.

00:06:31.880 I'm all hopped up, man.

00:06:32.780 I got this Monster Energy drink.

00:06:35.400 It's freaking, what, 5.30 in the morning right now?

00:06:37.960 We did the Trump show earlier.

00:06:39.860 My boy, Andrew, guys.

00:06:40.980 So, obviously, this is a prerecorded broadcast.

00:06:43.220 You guys are going to catch this one probably later on in the week, but make sure to check out that Trump broadcast as well.

00:06:47.800 So now let's go into Ron Goldman here.

00:06:51.320 So, Ron Goldman, okay, Ronald Life Goldman, born July 2nd, 1968 to 1994, was an American restaurant waiter and a friend of Nicole Brown Simpson,

00:07:00.220 the ex-wife of the American football player O.J. Simpson.

00:07:02.460 He was murdered along with Brown at her home in Los Angeles, California, on June 12th, 1994.

00:07:07.240 Simpson was acquitted of the killings in 1995 but found liable for both deaths in a 1997 civil lawsuit.

00:07:12.320 I want to make a quick note here with this guy.

00:07:14.680 Guys, 6'1", trained in martial arts, okay?

00:07:18.140 We're going to talk about that's going to be important here very soon, okay?

00:07:21.440 And I have a bombshell of a theory of what I think actually happened on June 12th, 1994.

00:07:27.060 It takes different facets from different facts, from different perspectives, but I think I have a pretty damn good idea on what happened on that fateful night,

00:07:37.640 and I will go ahead and reveal that for you guys at the end of the broadcast, so stay tuned, and I will give it to you guys.

00:07:42.900 You guys know I'm a former Fed, so I was able to basically look at all the different documentaries.

00:07:46.520 I looked at the evidence.

00:07:47.500 I looked at the gruesome murder photos, which I actually have here in this tab, which I'm reluctant to show y'all because it is really bad, guys.

00:07:54.400 I mean, I don't even know if it's safe for YouTube, but maybe I'll show you guys later on.

00:07:59.500 But, yeah, these photographs were bad.

00:08:02.020 But anyway, let's go ahead and get into, guys, the documentary, okay?

00:08:09.620 And I'm going to be pausing this thing as we go through it.

00:08:13.380 This is an older documentary, guys.

00:08:14.980 It's called O.J. Simpson Untold Story.

00:08:17.060 I went ahead and got the best resolution version of it possible on YouTube, which was at 480p, so I had to get it in parts broken down.

00:08:25.860 But let's go ahead.

00:08:27.020 I'll pause it intermittently as needed.

00:08:28.680 But this one, I think, gives a pretty good overall view of a bird's eye view of the investigation from a holistic standpoint.

00:08:36.860 It's fairly unbiased, and we're going to go ahead and just work our way through this thing, man.

00:08:41.340 So let's get into it.

00:08:42.740 Sit back, enjoy, and let's go.

00:08:44.500 Former American football star and actor O.J. Simpson stood accused of murdering his ex-wife, Nicole, and waiter Ron Goldman in a bloody...

00:08:52.920 These older documentaries are always better, by the way, than these new ones.

00:08:55.700 ...find the defendant, Orenthal Jane Simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of crime for such a man.

00:09:03.000 The verdict divided America and the world.

00:09:06.380 In the eyes of many, despite his repeated protestations of innocence, he was and remains a guilty man.

00:09:12.720 Divided is an understatement, guys.

00:09:16.100 When this verdict broke, literally, all the black people were going crazy. 0.99

00:09:21.960 All the white people were pissed as fuck.

00:09:24.580 And it was just wild, guys, because you got to keep in mind, let's go ahead and look at the atmosphere of the United States in the mid-90s.

00:09:31.660 Okay?

00:09:32.320 So you had the Rodney King beating that happened a few years prior.

00:09:35.280 You had the L.A. race riots.

00:09:37.040 You had, obviously, guys, remember, Martin Luther King had only been killed less than 30 years prior to this.

00:09:43.080 Okay?

00:09:43.520 The 90s was still very sensitive to race back then, especially Los Angeles, which had a history of police misconduct, racism, et cetera.

00:09:54.340 So for this to happen in Los Angeles, okay, of all places with a, you know, prominent African-American former athlete that was loved.

00:10:03.960 Guys, O.J. Simpson was loved.

00:10:05.760 He was charismatic.

00:10:06.760 He was charming.

00:10:07.620 He was attractive to the ladies.

00:10:09.020 He was a ladies' man. 0.99

00:10:11.200 He had done his thing.

00:10:12.020 He had children.

00:10:12.820 He was like the, you know, he had made it from the gutter.

00:10:15.140 He originally grew up in San Francisco and, you know, was a college athlete, was a star, had a, you know, a very vibrant smile, pause.

00:10:23.720 And people loved him.

00:10:25.380 So he had a Caucasian woman, right, as you guys saw from the photos before.

00:10:30.520 Nicole Simpson was extremely attractive. 1.00

00:10:32.600 He met her when she was 18.

00:10:33.960 He was going, he was getting ready to divorce his wife at the time.

00:10:37.600 He met her, I think, in 1977 when she was a hostess.

00:10:41.560 They dated each other for seven, six to seven years, and then they ended up getting married in 85.

00:10:47.240 So this murder, guys, was, it was a microcosm of what was really going on in the United States at the time when it comes to race.

00:10:58.240 Things were still split in the 90s, guys.

00:11:01.680 The civil rights era was still fresh in people's minds.

00:11:04.780 There was still a bunch of racist stuff going on.

00:11:07.660 There was still police brutality going on to a greater extent than it is nowadays, arguably, arguably so.

00:11:15.120 And, yeah, it was a different era, guys.

00:11:17.920 It was a different era.

00:11:19.140 You know, obviously, Gangsta Rap was just starting to make its move.

00:11:23.640 You know, The Chronic had been released in 1992.

00:11:25.920 I think Doggy Style came out not long after that.

00:11:29.060 Tupac was still alive at this time.

00:11:30.920 This was a very, you know, and he was saying, fuck the police and all this other shit.

00:11:35.240 B.I.G. was alive at this time.

00:11:37.780 So this was a very pivotal era in race relations between blacks and whites in the United States.

00:11:42.880 And for it to happen in Los Angeles with a black and white couple, for Nicole Simpson to be murdered the way that she was, 1.00

00:11:48.740 with the violence and the grotesque atmosphere that they were found in, guys, you know, it's literally the makings of literally like a thriller.

00:11:57.840 You know, this is like some shit out of, legitimately, literally out of Hollywood.

00:12:01.520 So when these verdicts came down, it was wild.

00:12:06.000 And speaking of which, by the way, this is Rob Kardashian right here.

00:12:08.840 This is Kim Kardashian's father, a close friend of O.J. Simpson and also an attorney.

00:12:13.860 He was a part of this dream team, which we're going to talk about here in a second.

00:12:17.160 But the world has not been told the full story.

00:12:19.780 That's his son.

00:12:20.740 O.J.'s son right here.

00:12:23.100 Tonight, this film reveals that the evidence heard in court was only part of the real picture.

00:12:28.060 It also Johnny Cochran, legend, Shapiro, right?

00:12:32.680 All-star team of attorneys.

00:12:34.280 Reveals that clues which pointed away from Simpson as the killer were dismissed or ignored.

00:12:39.540 It shows that crucial evidence was tampered with and destroyed.

00:12:43.520 But the police so contaminated the crime scene that the evidence was unsafe.

00:12:47.920 And it reveals that there is a potential suspect, a close member of Simpson's family, who has never been questioned.

00:12:57.080 And that six months before her murder, someone was offered money to kill Nicole.

00:13:04.320 This is O.J., The Untold Story.

00:13:07.440 All right.

00:13:21.720 At around 10.30 p.m., on the night of the 12th of June, 1994, O.J. Simpson was a man without an alibi.

00:13:29.680 Was he chipping golf balls in his backyard, as he claimed?

00:13:39.840 Or was he driving to Nicole's house in a white Ford Bronco to commit a grisly double murder?

00:13:54.660 That porn star music.

00:13:56.120 That porn star music.

00:13:59.680 All right.

00:14:03.600 So I'm noticing the sound is kind of like going in and out.

00:14:05.860 What I'm going to do is, if it keeps doing this, I'm going to go ahead and just play the full documentary from another tab.

00:14:10.600 I don't want to do that because it's not as good quality as this one.

00:14:13.540 But let's see how it goes.

00:14:21.400 At 875 South Bundy Drive, in the comfortable suburbs of West Los Angeles,

00:14:26.220 Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman lay murdered with multiple stab wounds.

00:14:38.860 They were discovered shortly after midnight.

00:14:41.320 When I looked at the bodies, this to me was a rage killing.

00:14:48.060 There were numerous.

00:14:48.940 Crazy guys.

00:14:49.780 Current slash.

00:14:50.760 That's Ron Goldman.

00:14:51.860 And the still from before was was Nicole Simpson.

00:14:56.340 Stab wounds.

00:14:57.620 They appeared to be all over the bodies.

00:15:00.640 One of.

00:15:01.280 Now, this is Tom Lange.

00:15:02.280 He was the lead detective on this investigation, guys.

00:15:04.640 So that what that means is that he was the primary case detective or case officer in this case.

00:15:10.620 You know, we talk all the time about case agent, case detective, case officer, whatever it may be.

00:15:14.360 He was the primary person that put this case together that oversaw this investigation.

00:15:19.420 OK, contrary to proper belief, a lot of people say, oh, no, it was Furman.

00:15:22.440 No, it was not Furman.

00:15:23.220 It was Tom Lange, guys.

00:15:25.560 And we're going to talk about Furman here as well.

00:15:28.440 We call it bled out, if you will.

00:15:31.880 The wounds were so severe.

00:15:34.920 And that was Nicole Brown.

00:15:36.680 She was lying on a walkway that angled down towards the street.

00:15:42.380 And the blood was flowing in that direction.

00:15:47.640 This is a crime of passion, overkill, jealousy, domestic, something of that nature.

00:15:55.080 Rage, yes, absolutely.

00:15:58.100 I mean, this alone shows you.

00:15:59.800 Bang, bang, bang, bang.

00:16:01.880 Those murders were ghastly.

00:16:06.400 They were awful murders.

00:16:08.200 And Nicole Simpson had a slash of her throat that went all the way down into the vertebral column, three millimeters into the vertebral column. 1.00

00:16:15.380 Guys, in English, that means she was nearly decapitated.

00:16:18.740 OK, literally the like the spinal cord basically is where they cut into the person that did this, which requires enormous force and strength.

00:16:28.460 OK, and we're going to talk about this a little bit later on when it comes to the predictions.

00:16:33.180 But no one, absolutely no one deserves to die in that way.

00:16:37.200 You know, I mean, yeah, you know, recipes to her.

00:16:42.400 And obviously, you know, she was she was a mother of two at the time when she passed away.

00:16:47.160 And to be killed in that fashion is unacceptable, you know, but we're going to talk about the theories and who I think actually did this.

00:16:58.380 And spoiler alert.

00:16:59.800 I don't think it was OJ alone, but we're going to get into this in a little bit down the road.

00:17:07.100 OK, there's a lot more to it.

00:17:10.100 Let's keep going.

00:17:11.040 The detectives that arrived at Nicole's house on Bundy Drive in the early hours of the morning faced a forensic jigsaw puzzle.

00:17:22.840 There was a left-handed leather glove covered in blood, bloody footprints and five drops of blood heading away from the scene to the rear of the property.

00:17:31.620 Here is pretty obvious what happened.

00:17:34.220 There was a struggle.

00:17:35.140 The left glove came off during the struggle.

00:17:37.840 The left hand or the left side of this perpetrator's body was injured.

00:17:42.040 And as that person moved away, they bled.

00:17:45.580 There was also an envelope containing a pair of glasses, which they later found Ron Goldman had come to deliver to Nicole.

00:17:52.120 And obviously this right here.

00:18:22.120 OK, we talk about this all the time on obviously the Fresh Fit podcast.

00:18:27.020 If you guys don't know the visceral rage that this causes in men when they're a woman or, you know, whether the girl that they're with or a former lover is with other males.

00:18:39.680 As you can see, this guy right here is grabbing her by the breasts, kissing her neck.

00:18:44.560 And keep in mind, guys, that OJ married Nicole when she was 18.

00:18:49.260 OK, and they basically broke it off when she was in her early 30s.

00:18:56.220 So he was with her for a significant amount of time from 77 all the way into the early 90s.

00:19:01.380 So she had never really been single.

00:19:04.120 OK, now, as you guys know, and at this point in the 90s, right, feminism was still making its wave. 0.99

00:19:11.420 You know, people were, you know, encouraging women to get out there and date, be single, entertain your options.

00:19:18.380 And this obviously influenced her to a degree.

00:19:23.040 OK.

00:19:24.620 Fastly.

00:19:25.180 I think within the last year plus of her life, I think she blew a fuse.

00:19:33.400 I mean, something happened.

00:19:34.500 And I guess, you know, drugs would do that.

00:19:36.300 You know, here she is one moment, a faithful wife, dedicated, you know, loving.

00:19:43.040 The next, like I said, the rumors you hear, she's doing coke or she's sleeping around. 1.00

00:19:47.420 And and it was it was the whole thing that it was it was really it was it was very sad.

00:19:53.560 And this was the rumors that were going on.

00:19:55.620 And the thing is, is that O.J. actually, guys, because I had done a bunch of research for this, watching other documentaries, reading things, whatever it may be.

00:20:02.360 O.J. had seen her having sex with someone else when he had went to her home. 0.95

00:20:06.540 OK, they were still hooking up after the divorce.

00:20:08.820 He went to her home one time on Bundy Drive, was going to go ahead and try to, you know, get some and saw her hooking up with a guy in a silhouette.

00:20:17.100 But and obviously that's going to enrage him.

00:20:20.000 Right. Like, I mean, even if you're divorced or whatever, that's going to piss you off.

00:20:23.140 This is a woman that you have children with that you've been with for a very long time.

00:20:26.960 So, again, you guys think I'm kidding around.

00:20:29.600 I've always said it. O.J. Simpson.

00:20:32.200 OK, this is why, guys, it's so important, man, to be RP aware and understand female nature.

00:20:39.420 And when things are over, they're fucking over.

00:20:41.620 You got to move on.

00:20:42.620 You got to got to move on because emotion and passion will make you do stupid things as a man.

00:20:48.900 OK, let's continue on.

00:20:51.200 On the evening of the murder, Nicole had gone to see her daughter, Sydney, dancing in a school show.

00:20:56.720 Simpson was also there.

00:20:58.360 This is actual footage from him showing up to the recital, by the way, guys.

00:21:01.380 This is on June 12th, the day of the murder.

00:21:04.400 He'd heard that day that his affair with girlfriend Paula Barbieri was over.

00:21:08.100 After the show, Simpson went home while Nicole went on to a family dinner at the fashionable Mezzaluna restaurant. 0.52

00:21:15.380 OK, this restaurant, guys, was really a poppin' place back in the 90s.

00:21:19.980 All the celebs used to go there, used to go eat.

00:21:22.720 It's the equivalent to nowadays, if you guys are familiar with Los Angeles, the Los Angeles scene, there's a place.

00:21:28.800 God damn it.

00:21:31.760 Now, the name escapes me.

00:21:33.880 Shout out to AD from No Jumper.

00:21:35.060 He took us there a couple of times.

00:21:36.920 And the guys, the cool dudes over there from Big Chief, I'm going to go ahead and remember the name of it.

00:21:42.620 But it's the equivalent to that restaurant.

00:21:44.140 You know, on Wednesday nights, it's pretty lit.

00:21:46.100 And everyone goes there.

00:21:47.120 All the rappers go there.

00:21:47.800 All the celebs go there.

00:21:49.620 So Mezzaluna was kind of on that level back in the 90s, guys.

00:21:52.600 OK, very popular restaurant.

00:21:53.800 Ron Goldman worked as a waiter.

00:22:00.420 Nicole was a frequent visitor.

00:22:02.920 Since her divorce, she had become involved with various men from the restaurant.

00:22:07.740 And 6'1", 25-year-old Goldman was rumored to be a boyfriend.

00:22:12.280 As y'all can see, he's Chad, right?

00:22:15.960 And, you know, there was definitely, like, rumors that they were hooking up with each other.

00:22:19.340 On the day that she went, actually, guys, and I know this from inside information,

00:22:22.920 he was there working the day that she went with her family to go eat.

00:22:29.820 However, that night, however, he did not serve her, OK?

00:22:33.660 He had another waitress go ahead and take care of that table, which also is a clue, right,

00:22:39.060 that I think that they were hooking up, all right?

00:22:42.740 And we're going to get into a little bit more as to how I think, what made me come to this conclusion.

00:22:47.960 But, yes, he did not serve her on this day when she went to the restaurant.

00:22:51.740 However, he was there, which, unfortunately, is what's going to lead to his demise.

00:22:56.960 And we'll get into that here in a second.

00:22:58.740 Being to her house and being seen driving her Ferrari.

00:23:03.540 25 years old, 6'1", good shape, martial artist, and an expiring actor, by the way, as well, guys.

00:23:09.140 Nicole and the children had returned home by 9.15.

00:23:16.600 When detectives arrived, candles were alight, there was music playing, and a bath was still warm.

00:23:24.720 Rod Englert faced the task of trying to reconstruct what happened.

00:23:28.000 And nobody will ever know what was in her mind when she walked out because she left her front door open,

00:23:34.500 walked a few feet down the landing, down the steps where the attack occurred.

00:23:38.900 And she was stabbed four times in the left side of the neck.

00:23:41.720 Gruesome, by the way.

00:23:45.180 And, yeah, she was wearing a black dress.

00:23:47.120 She was barefoot.

00:23:48.100 And she had run a bath, candles.

00:23:50.200 She was going to try to relax.

00:23:52.200 And she had just put the kids to bed.

00:23:54.060 And she was waiting on Ron to come and deliver some glasses, guys.

00:23:58.180 Okay?

00:23:58.420 So when she was there at the restaurant earlier, her mother had left their prescription glasses there.

00:24:04.080 And she called Ron to ask him to bring the glasses.

00:24:07.880 And he put them in an envelope, and he came by to drop them off because he lived nearby.

00:24:11.840 He basically went home, changed clothes, which is why he had the apparel that you guys saw him with before, to deliver the glasses.

00:24:21.700 The evidence suggests that Ron Goldman walked up, and he is then attacked in a struggle between the two.

00:24:27.580 A confrontation between the two occurs in her blood that's already bleeding. 0.86

00:24:33.300 So she had to be down for her blood to bleed to the extent that it already bled. 0.82

00:24:37.940 But if Nicole went down quickly, the forensic evidence showed that Ron Goldman was involved in a violent struggle.

00:24:44.780 He's struggling.

00:24:45.560 He's fighting.

00:24:46.160 He's twisting.

00:24:46.820 He's turning.

00:24:47.400 He's doing everything that he can to survive.

00:24:50.980 And the reason for that, guys, is because he's a trained martial artist.

00:24:53.800 The guy is obviously in great shape.

00:24:55.400 He's 25 years old.

00:24:56.600 And just so y'all know, Simpson, at the time when this occurred, was about 20 years older than this guy, okay?

00:25:06.280 Simpson, guys, was born in 47, okay?

00:25:09.160 If you go 1994, right, versus 1947, OJ was damn near 50 years old at the time of this murder, okay?

00:25:19.940 So he's going ahead and fighting with someone that's 20 years his junior, okay, in better shape, 6-4-1, about the same height as Juice, okay, a.k.a. OJ Simpson.

00:25:30.560 Well, he's a formidable opponent, which explains the blood all over the place.

00:25:35.900 And the attacker definitely got bruised up to a degree.

00:25:39.680 I mean, Ron Goldman had stab wounds in his leg because he was kicking this guy.

00:25:44.640 He had an enormous amount of defensive wounds, guys, okay?

00:25:49.280 And the defensive wound, guys, is basically a wound that indicates that you were in an altercation defending yourself from an attacker, right?

00:25:57.540 So a lot of the times you'll get defensive wounds on your hands, right, scrapes and cuts, et cetera, because you're trying to keep yourself from getting cut up in anywhere vital.

00:26:05.260 It's a natural instinct.

00:26:06.220 So not only did he have a lot of defensive wounds, he had a lot of wounds that basically was indicative of someone legitimately fighting this guy back, okay?

00:26:16.300 So the attacker definitely got fucked up to a degree.

00:26:22.100 The other person is doing everything that he can to quiet him and kill him.

00:26:27.520 And the best way—

00:26:28.100 You can see him over there.

00:26:29.520 He put up a fight, man.

00:26:30.720 And no one—again, no one deserves to die in this manner.

00:26:34.000 He went out fighting.

00:26:34.820 That's for sure.

00:26:35.620 To silence someone, one has to know that you sever the throat.

00:26:40.700 And that's a kill.

00:26:42.740 And I have very gruesome photos from that as well, man.

00:26:45.980 I'm debating whether I'm going to show him here, but we'll keep going.

00:26:54.060 Tom Lang and three other detectives then went up to Simpson's house, a five-minute drive away on Rockingham Avenue.

00:27:01.040 Okay, before we get into this, guys, real quick, I'm going to go ahead and show you guys

00:27:05.600 what the prosecution thinks happened, okay?

00:27:09.520 The actual—the fight, okay?

00:27:12.560 So there's this video right here.

00:27:14.220 I'm going to go ahead and show you all this thing.

00:27:17.260 And this is—this was basically a cartoon rendition of what they believe actually happened.

00:27:26.540 And I disagree with this to a degree, and I'll give you guys my analysis at the end of it.

00:27:32.980 But this is from people that were on the scene, what they believe happened.

00:27:37.940 And this was basically what the prosecution was trying to argue that occurred on that fateful night.

00:27:46.000 Engineers and forensics experts who were given unprecedented access to the Simpson-Goldman murder scene have assembled this scenario.

00:27:53.260 And sorry for the quality, guys, this is the 90s, you know, what can you do here, right?

00:27:57.680 So.

00:27:58.000 You're seeing an overhead aerial shot of the Bundy Drive geometry of this section of town

00:28:08.100 where you can see there's a number of condos side by side.

00:28:10.760 This area is where the murder occurs.

00:28:12.840 In reality, it's covered up with trees.

00:28:15.360 There are steps and a gate and a dirt area beside the front entryway and a patio.

00:28:19.660 But we took the tree out so you could see that.

00:28:22.380 Now we're going to put the tree in.

00:28:23.860 Because the night of the murder, the tree provides incredible shade, and it's extremely dark in this area.

00:28:30.860 At this point, Mr. Goldman comes up to the gate, punches it, and rings the doorbell.

00:28:37.420 Nicole Simpson leaves her condo, and she actually leaves the front door ajar, to come down and open the gate. 1.00

00:28:44.040 And just so y'all know, this neighborhood is extremely wealthy.

00:28:47.540 Very nice neighborhood in L.A.

00:28:49.200 It's a suburb of, it's a section of L.A.

00:28:51.760 That's very nice.

00:28:53.200 So, you know, you can keep the door open in areas like this.

00:28:56.840 There's obviously a speaker phone, and she knows who her visitor is.

00:29:01.460 Literally, the assailant has to come from the patio area, or the physical arrangements of the subjects make no sense.

00:29:08.860 The way he attacks them immobilizes them both.

00:29:12.440 He hits the right side of Mr. Goldman's face with his left hand and does so very hard.

00:29:18.180 There's a substantial bruise on the right side of his face.

00:29:21.360 Simultaneously, or very soon thereafter, we believe the assailant hits Nicole Simpson on the left side of her face with the butt of his knife, the pommel.

00:29:32.120 And that knocks her right side of her head into the wall. 1.00

00:29:35.620 We believe that knocks her out, which enables the assailant now to come down and deal with the number one threat, which is the young, able, and in pretty good shape Mr. Goldman.

00:29:46.120 We postulate that he puts the point of the knife behind Mr. Goldman's head and actually uses the knife like a fork with his hand over the mouth to raise Mr. Goldman to his feet.

00:29:56.020 The medical examiner has testified that that wound alone would have been sufficient to kill Mr. Goldman if nothing else had been done to him.

00:30:03.740 It's obvious from the medical evidence that the assailant has a hand over Mr. Goldman's mouth, is having a talk with Mr. Goldman, and is emphasizing his points with the knife.

00:30:15.220 Now, here's the thing.

00:30:18.480 Goldman is a trained fighter, and this is where I kind of, and again, this is what the prosecution was trying to allege here.

00:30:25.340 Goldman was a trained fighter.

00:30:26.840 We know from the wounds and the way he was cut up and everything else like that, he had a lot of defensive wounds, guys.

00:30:34.940 He fought this motherfucker, okay?

00:30:37.420 He was, this attacker took a beating, guys.

00:30:40.700 We know that, okay?

00:30:42.120 Okay, so this right here, again, I'm showing you all this because this is what the prosecution was trying to articulate in their argument, which honestly was a big part of why they took a L in this case in general.

00:30:55.740 But let's continue on.

00:30:57.240 Next fatal blow received by Mr. Goldman is a plunge right over his heart, hitting him in the left side of his torso.

00:31:04.440 Another thrust, again from the back, upwards under the ribcage, which is also a fatal thrust.

00:31:09.680 And he takes a final knife blow in this side, another fatal wound.

00:31:16.040 And we postulate he falls away into the fence.

00:31:19.360 We see abrasion marks down the back of his scalp, which we believe is a result of falling down the fence.

00:31:24.500 And then he falls over, and that is literally the position he has found by the police the next morning.

00:31:30.980 With Mr. Goldman dealt with, the assailant is now free to turn his attention to Nicole.

00:31:35.440 The assailant uses the same technique to lift her as he does Mr. Goldman.

00:31:39.940 Hand over mouth, most important. 0.99

00:31:42.100 It's clear, again, that the assailant is talking to Nicole Simpson.

00:31:46.260 The reason we know this is before the final fatal cut of her throat, there are three other small cuts on her throat, parallel to where the fatal blow is going to be administered.

00:31:58.060 It's clearly, again, torture.

00:32:00.360 The final cut across her throat is going to be delivered with her head caught substantially back. 1.00

00:32:07.760 And the strength in that cut is enormous.

00:32:12.000 And by that I mean she is going to receive a single slice to the front of the throat that is going to be so deep it is going to nick her spinal cord.

00:32:20.560 That requires tremendous strength for a...

00:32:25.560 This is true.

00:32:26.580 Definitely takes a ridiculous amount of strength, regardless of how sharp the knife is, to be able to hit that part of the body.

00:32:34.400 Single cut.

00:32:35.180 I don't care how sharp your knife is.

00:32:37.060 The assailant notices he has lost his wool cap.

00:32:40.300 And in the animation, he touches his head.

00:32:42.600 Unlike our animation, which has got enough light level for you to see what's going on.

00:32:46.220 In the real scene, this was very, very dark, and it's a dark wool cap.

00:32:49.900 But he's trying to feel for the...

00:32:51.640 Which is why he was able to hide there in the first place, because obviously it is dark as hell, and they didn't even see the assailant come up.

00:32:57.740 He obviously had the element of surprise attacking them.

00:33:00.820 Otherwise, you know, Rod Goldman would have been able to, you know, much better defend himself.

00:33:09.340 The wool cap.

00:33:10.640 He can't feel anything through the gloves.

00:33:13.060 He has to take the gloves off to feel for the wool cap.

00:33:15.960 By taking off both gloves and not being careful about it, he actually ends up leaving a glove behind and not retrieving the wool cap.

00:33:23.000 We speculate that something disturbed him in his search and cut it short, whether it be a dog barking or some neighbor's voice or something.

00:33:31.580 When the investigators arrive, they're going to...

00:33:33.840 And that's actually how they were able to find Nicole Simpson's body was through her dog barking and blood prints on the paws.

00:33:41.140 They find Nicole's body in this position, Mr. Goldman's in this one.

00:33:44.240 They're going to find the knit skull cap here.

00:33:46.200 They're going to find a glove very close by it.

00:33:48.660 Mr. Goldman's pager.

00:33:50.380 And his keys are all going to be found in these...

00:33:53.680 And guys, pay attention to that hat and glove. 0.97

00:33:57.540 We're going to revisit that here later on, which will be a critical component as to my theory on what I think really happened on that night.

00:34:06.440 Okay?

00:34:06.740 I think this rendition here is inaccurate.

00:34:11.680 Extremely inaccurate.

00:34:13.220 However, this is what the prosecution alleged happened on that night.

00:34:18.920 Obviously, they have to frame it in a way to make it where O.J. Simpson was the murderer, okay?

00:34:27.120 Relative positions.

00:34:28.800 We believe this to be the most detailed reconstruction done to date.

00:34:34.600 We hope it remains the standard by which all other reconstructions are judged by, even the prosecutions.

00:34:39.440 Of course, an animation from the O.J. Simpson defense team would show a different conclusion.

00:34:44.080 But for this animation, failure investigators used evidence presented in court, autopsy reports, and detailed data they gathered from the scene of the murders.

00:34:52.400 The medical evidence is literally the most important to establishing this scenario of the crime.

00:34:59.380 The choreography, the movement of the characters through the scene, has been driven by the medical evidence because the choreography has to produce the wounds, and they have to be produced in a certain order.

00:35:11.340 The hat is found...

00:35:12.280 Well, where's the cut on the leg, then?

00:35:14.400 We know Ron Goldman kicked this guy, for sure.

00:35:16.760 We know he kicked him, you know?

00:35:19.160 Where's the wound on the leg?

00:35:20.780 Because he had a severe cut to his leg, guys, okay?

00:35:25.280 That's why if you look at his left pant leg in the photograph, okay, it was very bloody, okay?

00:35:32.100 And let me see if I can get a picture of that for y'all real fast.

00:35:34.620 You guys know what I'm talking about.

00:35:35.580 I'm not capping.

00:35:36.100 And with, I believe the number is 26 African-American hairs in it, there doesn't seem to be any contrary testimony or even dispute over the hat as belonging to the assailant.

00:35:49.360 So we merely followed the physical evidence of the scene.

00:35:52.300 Wrong.

00:35:53.380 That is...

00:35:54.640 The hair did not match OJ Simpson, okay?

00:35:57.960 That's a little for y'all.

00:36:00.600 The hair on the hat did not match OJ Simpson, guys, okay?

00:36:09.220 Which, again, we'll come back to my theory later on.

00:36:11.400 All right, so let's go back to the original documentary.

00:36:24.460 So quick little recap for y'all that are just joining.

00:36:27.240 The murder occurred.

00:36:28.960 Ron Goldman, Nicole Simpson have been killed.

00:36:32.240 Now they're...

00:36:34.560 Basically, the police have been called.

00:36:37.820 They show up on the scene.

00:36:39.060 They see the massacre.

00:36:40.880 And the first thing they say is,

00:36:42.780 All right, we got to go talk to OJ, who lives down the street on Rockingham, okay?

00:36:48.840 She's on Bundy. 0.66

00:36:50.000 He's on Rockingham.

00:36:51.240 And just so you guys know, and I'll go ahead and pull this up on a map for y'all to show you guys how close they actually were to each other.

00:36:58.000 But now the police are rolling up to go ahead and let OJ know,

00:37:00.940 Hey, listen, your wife was just murdered.

00:37:02.880 And they are worried that he might be the next victim, okay?

00:37:07.800 Okay.

00:37:09.060 He had to be informed, but as the ex-husband, he was also a potential suspect.

00:37:15.120 On their arrival, Detective Mark Furman told his colleagues that he'd found a speck of blood on the door of Simpson's white Ford Bronco, which was parked outside.

00:37:26.820 The detective then went on to the property and found that Simpson had left for Chicago a few hours before at 11 p.m.

00:37:33.560 During their search of the house, Detective Furman said he found a right-handed glove covered in blood.

00:37:39.780 So, Detective Mark Furman is the one that discovered this glove at Rockingham outside of OJ Simpson's house.

00:37:50.440 And I also want to let you guys know as well that an interesting point was what happened was they showed up to the house and they couldn't get an answer out of anybody.

00:37:59.120 So, Furman went ahead and scaled the fence and went to the front door to go ahead and try to get a hold of somebody.

00:38:07.480 No one answered.

00:38:08.340 So, he went to the back guest's house and was able to speak to one of OJ's friends who was staying with him.

00:38:13.180 And the guest said, hey, I heard some noise in the back area.

00:38:17.780 I don't know what it was, though.

00:38:19.640 That's why Mark Furman walked back into this area and saw the glove.

00:38:24.140 Okay.

00:38:24.480 And this is going to open up a can of worms later on.

00:38:28.080 But that's how he came to find this glove, by the way, guys, because I don't know if this documentary documented that.

00:38:33.600 Furman had been to Bundy.

00:38:35.900 It's not too difficult to put two and two together.

00:38:38.360 It's still four.

00:38:40.160 He sees what appears to be a matching glove.

00:38:43.180 And it's a right-handed glove.

00:38:45.320 This now becomes a crime scene.

00:38:51.420 As dawn broke, the police said they found spots of Simpson's blood on the drive of his house and in the entrance hall.

00:38:58.340 Simpson was now the prime suspect.

00:39:00.700 Now, another thing, too, that I want to tell you guys is that them being able to scale the house and go there,

00:39:09.560 the reason why they were able to do that is because the detectives were able to articulate, hey, we got someone that's in imminent danger.

00:39:19.300 His wife was brutally murdered down the street.

00:39:21.520 We don't know if he's necessarily a suspect.

00:39:23.720 We need to alert him for his own personal safety.

00:39:25.900 So that's why Furman went ahead and jumped the fence.

00:39:29.680 Because keep in mind, they don't know who committed the crime, okay?

00:39:32.700 They're just like, oh, shit, we need to let OJ know because he's down the road.

00:39:37.380 He's associated with this woman.

00:39:38.840 So that's why they scaled the fence and they were able to go ahead, get inside, and talk to the resident and then to establish where OJ was.

00:39:46.480 And then that's when the resident, right, the friend at the guest house told Furman, I heard some noise over here.

00:39:53.140 So that gives him the ability to go, okay, let me investigate, make sure that someone isn't on this property, whatever.

00:39:59.400 Bam, and he finds the glove.

00:40:01.180 So there's Fourth Amendment things that you can go ahead and circle.

00:40:08.880 There's, how do I say this?

00:40:10.100 There's exceptions to the Fourth Amendment.

00:40:11.720 Sorry.

00:40:12.260 Sorry, guys, late night here.

00:40:13.640 Okay, six o'clock in the morning.

00:40:15.420 Ain't no sleep.

00:40:16.480 All right?

00:40:17.080 There's exceptions to the Fourth Amendment.

00:40:18.860 And one of them, guys, is, you know, imminent danger of, you know, bodily, serious bodily harm, et cetera.

00:40:25.100 So if I have information that someone is going to go ahead and they're in danger or whatever, I can break into the home to go ahead and rescue that person, okay?

00:40:35.280 That is an exception to the Fourth Amendment rule.

00:40:37.780 So that's how he was able to get onto the property and not have an issue.

00:40:42.100 And then he goes to investigate, makes contact with someone there.

00:40:45.380 That person tells him, hey, I heard a noise in this vicinity.

00:40:50.480 I don't know what happened.

00:40:51.740 So at this point, Mark Furman has a right to be, okay?

00:40:55.140 And we always say in law enforcement, when you have a right to be, you have a right to see.

00:40:58.400 So he was lawfully on the property because he was able to get in under a Fourth Amendment exception, aka, you know, serious danger.

00:41:05.480 Then makes contact with someone.

00:41:08.400 That person gives him more, how do I say this, more evidence, more probable cause, right?

00:41:14.220 Or reasonable suspicion, whatever you want to say here in this case.

00:41:17.700 More probable cause, we'll just say that.

00:41:19.280 To go ahead and further investigate to make sure that there isn't someone trespassing on the property trying to find and or hurt O.J. Simpson.

00:41:27.420 And that's how he came across the glove.

00:41:29.440 For any of you guys out there, they're like, well, how did the cops, how were they able to, you know, hop the fence, open the gate, get in there?

00:41:36.720 Isn't that a violation of the Fourth Amendment?

00:41:40.120 And under normal pretenses, you would be correct.

00:41:42.820 However, remember, guys, we're not judged on, police officers are not judged on 20-20 hindsight.

00:41:47.600 They're judged on what were the facts known to them at the time.

00:41:50.800 Okay, they show up to a murder scene, wife and friend brutally murdered.

00:41:55.040 Holy shit, we don't know who the hell this is.

00:41:57.440 We might have a crazy serial killer on the house. 0.92

00:41:59.300 Who's going to be the next likely victim?

00:42:01.240 Maybe O.J. Simpson.

00:42:02.340 We don't know what's going on here.

00:42:03.760 Let's race to his house.

00:42:04.620 He's right down the street.

00:42:05.700 Race to his house.

00:42:06.660 They don't see anything.

00:42:07.920 Bro, we got to get in there and make sure this guy's okay.

00:42:10.520 Scale the fence.

00:42:11.500 Knock on a door.

00:42:12.260 Don't see him there.

00:42:13.140 Go back to the guest house.

00:42:14.340 Hey, O.J., you there?

00:42:15.220 Blah, blah, blah.

00:42:16.240 Make contact with the guest.

00:42:18.280 He tells them I heard a funny sound in the back.

00:42:20.860 That gives Furman more ammunition to stay on the property.

00:42:23.360 Right to B means right to C.

00:42:25.500 Finds the glove.

00:42:26.360 Bam.

00:42:26.760 Admissible evidence now.

00:42:28.180 Okay?

00:42:28.640 See how that all works in tandem, guys?

00:42:30.960 Let's keep going.

00:42:32.220 Like the goddamn video, by the way.

00:42:33.660 You guys are not going to get breakdowns like this anywhere else on the internet.

00:42:36.300 Okay?

00:42:36.660 You got a former Fed here breaking down a murder case of the century.

00:42:40.640 And then, obviously, that goes ahead and leads them, allows them to, you know, establish that the place is a crime scene.

00:42:49.500 And, bam, that's when they go ahead and secure the search warrant.

00:42:52.240 Okay?

00:42:52.960 To go inside the home and find the droplets of blood, et cetera.

00:42:57.360 And as the sun is rising, they're able to see the droplets of blood on the main property, on the sidewalk.

00:43:02.840 A few hours later, Detective Bert Looper supervised the search for more clues.

00:43:09.620 In particular, the bedroom I wanted to see was the master bedroom, which was OJ's. 0.82

00:43:14.840 And I have the photographer take several photographs before we even go in, one of which indicated some socks in front of the bed on the floor.

00:43:25.760 At first, no one noticed that the socks were bloody.

00:43:28.700 But later analysis showed otherwise.

00:43:30.660 When those socks were examined with high-intensity light, there was a lot of blood because around the ankle of one of them was 19 projected spatters of blood all the way around.

00:43:44.180 And there were 39 on the other.

00:43:47.020 That came back from the cold Brown Simpson's blood, and it was projected. 0.99

00:43:53.580 That's the key.

00:43:55.040 Holy!

00:43:57.660 Projected.

00:43:58.260 Socks were present when they're fighting in that particular area.

00:44:03.820 That's probably one of the strongest pieces of evidence in this whole case is that pair of socks.

00:44:09.780 And just so you guys know real fast, this is the addresses, okay?

00:44:14.380 You got 360, North Rockingham Ave, right?

00:44:19.280 Los Angeles, California.

00:44:20.260 It's an 875 Bundy Drive, Los Angeles.

00:44:25.120 And I think it was 8.

00:44:26.940 Okay, let me double-check the addresses for y'all, and I'll bring this back.

00:44:29.500 But as you guys can see, in general, look how close this is.

00:44:31.700 We're talking about two miles here, okay?

00:44:34.660 Five-minute drive, two miles in between the two.

00:44:38.520 Crazy close, okay?

00:44:40.080 So here's Bundy, all right?

00:44:42.200 And then you got Rockingham over here.

00:44:50.280 Not far at all.

00:44:55.220 Yep, and this is, and then this is, you can see the map here.

00:44:59.920 This is the old, this is, this is the new, the new way it looks now.

00:45:07.200 It's been remodeled significantly, guys.

00:45:09.700 And actually, they changed, they changed the address for Bundy, because obviously all the people were going around and trying to take pictures and everything else like that.

00:45:19.520 And I'll go ahead and show you guys a video of what it looks like now and the difference, but obviously very, very close, okay?

00:45:31.280 And this is the famous tree that they used to distinguish, which I'll show you guys that later.

00:45:35.420 But the main point of that was to show you guys how close the addresses were to each other.

00:45:49.660 Simpson flew back from Chicago to face a house full of police and a story that was breaking all over the world.

00:45:57.660 The detectives in charge of the case, Tom Lang and partner Phil Vanatta, immediately spotted what they thought was a vital clue.

00:46:05.960 And keep in mind, guys, that Mark Furman was one of the last detectives to show up, okay, on the crime scene in the, in the, in the first place.

00:46:15.120 I think there were 13 detectives there, 13 or 15 detectives, and he was somewhere after 10.

00:46:21.480 We not only wanted a statement from him, an attempt to glean inconsistencies down the road, but his hand was bleeding.

00:46:30.780 And guess which hand? His left hand.

00:46:32.660 Okay, what can you say about this?

00:46:33.740 Back up, please. Get out of the way. 0.97

00:46:36.280 Well, we have a good shot at getting this evidence, and that hand is no evidence.

00:46:43.300 Because we know our killer is probably injured on the left side of their body, and guess what else we have?

00:46:47.740 We have a left-handed glove at the crime scene.

00:46:51.900 And he's got his left finger cut.

00:46:54.460 And that's some pretty damning evidence right there.

00:46:58.000 Got the finger photographed. He cooperated. We also got his blood.

00:47:01.480 And during the interview, you get these inconsistencies that we eventually got.

00:47:07.920 They interviewed him for about less than 30 minutes, guys.

00:47:11.560 They asked him a bunch of questions about his whereabouts.

00:47:13.380 He gave him inconsistent stories about how he got cut.

00:47:15.680 First, he said he smashed the glass and cut his finger.

00:47:18.100 Another time, he said, I'm not sure how I cut my finger.

00:47:20.280 Maybe playing with the kids.

00:47:21.340 So he gave a bunch of inconsistent stories as to how he cut his finger.

00:47:24.360 He couldn't really give a solid story on that.

00:47:27.640 He says he bled all over.

00:47:29.900 He said, how?

00:47:30.280 Well, first, it's on the phone, he believes.

00:47:32.700 And then it was in some other way.

00:47:35.580 He cuts himself all the time.

00:47:38.700 When did you park your Bronco on Rockingham where we found it?

00:47:42.500 I think during a 32 or 33-minute interview, I got three different answers.

00:47:48.400 David, I told you before he wasn't going to say anything.

00:47:50.880 I know you got to ask him.

00:47:51.600 While the detectives built their case, Simpson was released to face the media frenzy.

00:47:56.580 I was convinced then that he is definitely a viable suspect, but I wasn't 100%.

00:48:03.900 Phil was 100%.

00:48:05.000 But I also knew, handling high-profile cases in the past, that we better be damn sure.

00:48:11.400 But as we went through the investigation, subsequent to the interview, everything fell in line.

00:48:17.580 There was nothing exculpatory.

00:48:19.740 There was nothing that pointed in another direction.

00:48:22.140 So, exculpatory, guys, means evidence that shows that it could have been someone else.

00:48:27.340 What they're saying is that there was no other – there wasn't evidence that identified anyone else as the potential perpetrator, which I'll be honest with y'all.

00:48:35.660 Nope.

00:48:36.240 There was definitely evidence that pointed that it could have been someone else involved, which we're going to get into later on in this podcast when I give you guys my breakdown of what I think actually happened,

00:48:46.640 which I think actually aligns a lot more with the forensic evidence that was found, the wound patterns, et cetera, because I've been doing quite a bit of digging on this case, and I have my theory.

00:48:56.280 But we're going to save that for the end.

00:48:57.420 And here you can see, guys, by the way, here is O.J. Simpson broadcasting.

00:49:00.740 I think this is for MSNBC or something, and there's Nicole in the back. 0.76

00:49:04.380 I think pointed one direction, and that's Simpson.

00:49:07.040 Okay, so let's go ahead and get into part two here.

00:49:26.140 As you guys know, I had to break it up because, obviously, the quality was better when it was chopped up versus, like, one of the streams that – one of the videos that had the best – that had it all, but it was, like, 360.

00:49:38.980 It was trash.

00:49:39.460 At least this one's 480, so you guys can actually see what's going on here.

00:49:41.660 It's not as bad of a potato.

00:49:42.660 The warrant for Simpson's arrest.

00:49:48.240 Four days after the murders, the police issued a warrant for Simpson's arrest.

00:49:52.400 And just so you guys know, Simpson was arrested in 1989 on a domestic violence charge against Nicole, but the police had been called there, like, eight to nine times prior.

00:50:05.580 So they never actually arrested him.

00:50:07.120 Mind you guys, this is the 90s.

00:50:08.760 Domestic violence wasn't what it is nowadays. 0.56

00:50:11.540 Okay?

00:50:12.160 And on top of that, O.J. Simpson was loved in L.A.

00:50:14.680 Everyone knew him.

00:50:15.680 The police – a lot of the police officers that responded knew O.J.

00:50:18.260 They would come over and hang out and shoot the shit or whatever it may be.

00:50:21.040 So he was loved in the community, all right?

00:50:24.740 So, you know, is it possible that the police just didn't arrest him because he was the juice, he was the cool guy, everyone loved him?

00:50:32.700 Yeah, it's possible.

00:50:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:50:34.300 That could be the reason why the police were called so many different times, and they didn't actually arrest him until 1989, but they definitely did have their arguments, okay?

00:50:43.880 You know, it generated from both sides.

00:50:45.880 You know, both parties definitely antagonized each other.

00:50:51.040 But he didn't surrender as promised.

00:50:57.380 And this is the famous Bronco chase.

00:50:59.440 I remember this, man.

00:51:01.260 As a kid, they shut everything down.

00:51:04.980 Like, the NBA finals were going on.

00:51:07.180 They had television series going on.

00:51:08.860 They didn't give a shit.

00:51:10.040 Everyone was like, you know what?

00:51:11.580 Nope.

00:51:12.140 Play this crap right now.

00:51:13.360 O.J. Simpson is on the run from LAPD because he was originally supposed to turn himself in at 11 a.m.

00:51:19.320 He didn't show up.

00:51:20.480 And he has his buddy driving him in the Bronco in this famous chase, man, which was crazy, you know?

00:51:27.580 And again, guys, this is the 90s.

00:51:29.020 You know, these are different times.

00:51:30.700 It's not like, you know, we have television like nowadays where everything is live streaming and everything is like live television back then was kind of like it's not like it is now.

00:51:42.100 It didn't have the same ease.

00:51:43.800 So this was wild to people, the fact that the news were able to cover this from choppers and O.J. running away from the police.

00:51:52.160 Simpson is a wanted murder suspect, two counts of murder, a terrible crime.

00:51:58.400 We need to find him.

00:51:59.440 We need to apprehend him.

00:52:00.360 We need to bring him to justice as quickly as possible.

00:52:03.560 Instead, with A.C. Cowlings at the wheel, Simpson had visited Nicole.

00:52:07.780 That's a former teammate and friend, A.C.

00:52:09.660 Brave, while another family friend and lawyer, Robert Kardashian, read a note that Simpson had left behind.

00:52:16.640 I have nothing to do with Nicole's murder.

00:52:20.640 I loved her and always will.

00:52:23.500 I can't go on.

00:52:26.060 No matter what the outcome, people will look and point.

00:52:31.500 And this is how Kim Kardashian got famous, by the way, guys.

00:52:33.860 Her father was famous because he was a very close friend of O.J. Simpson.

00:52:37.260 And, you know, him reading this letter is actually like was was kind of like something that made him famous, you know, because at the time this was the biggest thing going on.

00:52:49.880 So this brought the Kardashians into the limelight.

00:52:53.740 I can't take that.

00:52:55.380 As the drama unfolded on live television, thousands came out onto the streets to watch the most wanted man in America go by.

00:53:10.940 Crazy guys like this is wild.

00:53:14.260 People were on the streets with signs.

00:53:16.780 I don't even know how they had the time like go juice.

00:53:21.420 We support O.J.

00:53:22.340 Blah, blah, blah.

00:53:22.960 Like everyone was going crazy on the streets, man.

00:53:25.660 Again, this is a 94 guys.

00:53:28.200 All right.

00:53:28.400 This is a 94.

00:53:29.500 This is before, you know, the Internet, you know, being made.

00:53:33.640 You know, this is like AOL dial up crap like this wasn't on the Internet like that.

00:53:37.220 You know, this was on TV.

00:53:38.900 People are running out on the streets to get a glimpse of the, you know, the iconic white Bronco running through the streets of L.A.

00:53:45.000 As the Bronco headed back to his house on Rockingham, Simpson held a gun to his head.

00:53:57.360 A SWAT team was called and given their orders.

00:54:00.240 Use your own discretion.

00:54:01.380 You take them down if you have to.

00:54:06.300 Pulls into his house.

00:54:07.700 Running after the Bronco was 24-year-old Jason.

00:54:10.780 Okay.

00:54:11.220 There's Jason's son right there, as you guys can see, running after it, pleading with his father to surrender.

00:54:18.280 Simpson's son by his first marriage.

00:54:21.000 Shortly after the police dragged Jason away from his father, Simpson gave himself up.

00:54:25.640 Okay.

00:54:25.980 And just to let you guys know, Simpson had another marriage prior to this with another woman.

00:54:31.840 And he had two children with her.

00:54:33.620 Jason was, I think, the older of that pair.

00:54:36.700 Correct me if I'm wrong, if I chat, but Jason was from a prior marriage.

00:54:43.040 He was in no way affiliated or associated to Nicole Simpson, which we're going to talk about that a little bit later.

00:54:49.260 In his own words, a depressed, lost man.

00:54:55.840 In the months that followed, the police continued to build their case.

00:54:59.740 They believed that Simpson had driven over to Bundy and had either stalked Nicole or been driven by Goldman's arrival into a fit of jealous rage.

00:55:15.240 The detectives believed that he had then brutally murdered them both before driving back to his home, spreading blood in his Bronco as he went.

00:55:23.680 The Bronco was a key crime scene in its own right.

00:55:26.620 Rod Englert examined the vehicle when it was taken apart.

00:55:34.800 When the detectives approached the white Bronco that was parked outside of the Rockingham Street address,

00:55:40.200 there was a transfer of blood pattern on the Bronco door that was consistent with the bleeding left hand of O.J. Simpson.

00:55:46.980 It's less than a half inch wide, a little over a quarter inch wide.

00:55:49.780 It's more consistent with when he reaches up and touches that to open the door.

00:55:57.820 And that pattern is also consistent with the pattern on the inside of the door well where you open the door to get out.

00:56:03.920 The forensic team found Simpson's blood by the driver's door, on the driver's side carpet, on the seats, the instrument panel, and on the steering wheel.

00:56:13.260 But it was the discovery of Nicole Brown's and Ron Goldman's blood, particularly on the center console, that clinched it.

00:56:20.920 For Englert and the team, it appeared to prove that Simpson had been involved in the crime.

00:56:25.440 So that's some pretty damning evidence.

00:56:27.660 And here's the iconic photo right here of O.J. Simpson that has been, you know, circulated everywhere.

00:56:34.280 If there is any doubt in anybody's mind about this person not committing this crime, I mean, then they have a real problem with reality.

00:56:45.000 I need something to point in another direction.

00:56:48.220 I need something substantive that says someone else did or could have done this crime.

00:56:54.060 None of that exists.

00:56:56.760 Now, just so just to give you guys a quick little recap of what's going on here.

00:57:03.080 Police show up, see Nicole and Ron Goldman murdered, right?

00:57:06.520 Then they go ahead and they find obviously a massacre.

00:57:10.380 So they go to Rockingham where, you know, O.J. Simpson lives two miles away.

00:57:15.060 Showed y'all on the map how far that is.

00:57:16.880 Then they go ahead and they scale the fence, find the glove, right?

00:57:20.300 And I broke it down for you out earlier how they were able to find the glove from a legal sense.

00:57:24.160 Find the glove.

00:57:24.980 Now it's deemed a crime scene.

00:57:26.460 They go ahead and they get a search warrant.

00:57:28.700 Also, as the sun's coming up, they start to see blood droplets going on the sidewalk, going into the home.

00:57:33.820 And they find blood in the home and they find bloody socks in O.J. Simpson's home.

00:57:37.980 The blood on the socks has Nicole and Ron Goldman's blood DNA on it.

00:57:45.700 And they're also able to find blood between all three parties in the Bronco.

00:57:50.880 Okay, so let's go ahead and keep going through this.

00:57:55.080 Absolutely none of that.

00:57:58.500 So the police are like, we got our man.

00:58:00.380 For the police, a mountain of evidence showed that Simpson was the murderer.

00:58:12.200 But is their case really so conclusive?

00:58:14.740 Not only is there significant evidence pointing away from Simpson, but it's also now clear from the new research for this film that there is evidence that the police dismissed or ignored.

00:58:26.380 One private detective has followed it up, and what he has discovered puts the crime in a completely new light.

00:58:34.740 Okay, so before we get into this private eye that, you know, did his own independent investigation, I'm going to let you all go ahead and, you know, see what you guys think as far as, like, what his findings and everything else like that.

00:58:53.900 But I will give you guys my theory at the end that combines all aspects of this.

00:58:58.940 And just so you guys know from earlier, I didn't get a chance to show you guys this exactly, but I will show you guys this real fast because I want to let you guys know that Ron Goldman 100% was fighting this attacker.

00:59:14.900 As you guys can see, look at the cut on his leg, okay?

00:59:18.440 This was from him kicking the individual.

00:59:21.000 And, you know, viewer discretion is advised obviously here, you know, but you can see right here a significant amount of blood is on this leg.

00:59:28.780 Because he kicked the fuck out that guy. 0.99

00:59:30.600 And then the guy stabbed him, the attacker.

00:59:33.480 So let's keep going, though.

00:59:37.140 Dallas, Texas.

00:59:39.980 Over the last 40 years, private eye Bill Deere has solved a number of major cases and has a reputation for taking nothing for granted.

00:59:49.420 Right from the start, he had major reservations about the police handling of the case.

00:59:54.020 And so began his own investigation.

00:59:56.360 They saw the bloody glove behind the bungalow at OJ's and they put two and two together.

01:00:02.840 And with a little bit of blood found in the Bronco and a little bit of blood that was found on the driveway, I think they made up their mind very quickly that it was OJ.

01:00:10.900 And from that point on, they went no further.

01:00:14.080 They had their man.

01:00:14.940 And we know that there's, like, some evidence that shows otherwise, right?

01:00:22.000 For example, the African-American hairs that were on the ball cap or on the hat, not OJ's, okay? 0.98

01:00:28.060 They found blood, okay, guys, at the scene that did not match OJ's, okay, guys?

01:00:36.500 In Nicole's fingernails, which we're going to talk about that as a part of her defensive wounds. 1.00

01:00:41.220 We're going to talk about that a little bit as well.

01:00:43.160 So there was a considerable amount of evidence and things that also was exculpatory, which the prosecution did not necessarily highlight, okay?

01:00:53.600 And we're going to go ahead and start to look at some of the, start attacking the evidence a little bit as the defense was able to do and get OJ off the hook.

01:01:06.340 I felt that in my mind, maybe, just maybe, there's something wrong here.

01:01:10.860 Maybe we're not being told the story.

01:01:13.820 And again, stay tuned till the end of the podcast.

01:01:16.120 I'm going to give you guys my final thoughts on what I think really happened, okay?

01:01:21.460 I'm not saying OJ's innocent, but what I will say is I definitely don't think he acted alone in this situation.

01:01:28.420 We'll talk the case over with colleague Chris Stewart.

01:01:31.840 I can't believe that a guilty man is going to voluntarily go down in the police car, followed by Harold Weissman, his lawyer, and say to the lawyer,

01:01:41.000 Lawyer, I don't need you.

01:01:42.140 Just go ahead and sit outside.

01:01:43.560 Go have a cup of coffee.

01:01:44.580 I'll talk to him if I just killed two people.

01:01:46.820 So why would somebody like OJ allow himself to be cross-examined, asked questions, photographed, fingerprinted, everything that they did to him if he was guilty?

01:01:56.160 Well, okay, and this is where the P.I. is kind of fucking up here.

01:01:59.720 Stupid.

01:02:00.280 Well, he wanted to know what the police knew, okay?

01:02:03.040 That's a big reason why he would cooperate.

01:02:05.260 Also, let's keep in mind, a big reason why the police let OJ go was because OJ, besides the cut that he had on his finger, really wasn't fucked up.

01:02:13.500 He didn't get beat up to the extent that they thought someone who fought with Ron Goldman would have gotten beaten up because Ron Goldman had a significant amount of defensive wounds on him where there was a serious altercation, all right?

01:02:27.060 That's another reason, too, why the police let OJ go, okay?

01:02:31.320 He cooperated.

01:02:32.360 He gave him the blood.

01:02:33.480 He took pictures with his finger.

01:02:36.020 He gave them what they wanted.

01:02:37.100 He gave them an interview.

01:02:37.980 They wanted to keep him somewhat friendly to keep him cooperative.

01:02:41.860 Obviously, he was a prime suspect for them, but they wanted to go ahead and get what they needed to get, so they kept them in a friendly sense.

01:02:48.800 And OJ, right, obviously not innocent in this situation, wanted to know what the hell was going on with the police, right?

01:02:54.920 What the hell did they know, okay?

01:02:57.320 Because when the police originally called him, his first question was, who did it, okay?

01:03:04.460 Which is very, very important, so make a note of that, guys.

01:03:07.980 We're going to talk about this later on.

01:03:10.160 The case is too comfortable.

01:03:11.780 That's the problem I've got with it.

01:03:13.140 It's too packed.

01:03:16.340 And I told Chris, I said, you know, I've got to know the truth.

01:03:21.080 Bill Deer then went out to Los Angeles to examine the crime scene for himself.

01:03:27.220 This is for her.

01:03:29.440 Black jeep was found.

01:03:31.120 The back gate's been changed.

01:03:32.340 The number's been changed.

01:03:33.280 Yeah, they changed it to 879 Bundy, guys, because so many people were going there trying to look for it like 875 Bundy, so they were able to go ahead and get the address changed, but people still know where it's located.

01:03:44.920 And this is the exit from which OJ left, allegedly, okay?

01:03:49.880 Well, Nat, this is the way it was when I arrived about three weeks after the murders.

01:03:55.280 And that night, I came back, posted Chris across the street in the car to watch out and watch for my back, and hiked myself up over the fence.

01:04:04.800 I came down the steps, walked the narrow passageway, up steps, down steps, and there I'm standing there by her door.

01:04:10.580 And I'm looking now, and I still see some blood there.

01:04:15.700 And all of a sudden, I'm looking at what I've been told by the press, that he was hiding behind the bushes, and I'm saying, he can't be hiding behind the bushes.

01:04:22.400 There's a brick wall there, separating one neighbor to the other.

01:04:27.140 There had to be a lot of commotion and a lot of screaming, because these people were fighting for their life.

01:04:32.820 Ron Goldman was a young man, fighting for his life.

01:04:35.660 The Cole was young, didn't want to die.

01:04:37.540 Well, upstairs, you had two minor children.

01:04:40.260 I think that's one of the things that really bothered me all along.

01:04:43.200 I'm a father.

01:04:45.240 I'm a single parent.

01:04:47.220 I could no more picture myself coming here, killing some, either my ex-wife or whatever.

01:04:53.760 Well, you also got to remember, my friend, that OJ was mad as fuck because he knew that she was out here smashing dudes, doing cocaine.

01:05:00.600 They also had arguments, guys, because OJ did not like the people that she was hanging out with.

01:05:04.760 And the Cole guys was hanging out at that Italian restaurant I told you all about, the Mezzalula, or I'm probably butchering that, sorry, which had some nefarious people that were working there, so to speak, without me going into too much detail.

01:05:19.040 So OJ had issues with the types of people that she was surrounding herself with, and he was mad because he didn't want the kids to be around these types of people.

01:05:27.060 Okay, so they had a lot of arguments on that as well.

01:05:29.820 Leaving my two minor children to walk out and see the mother, the Cole, lying there with her head nearly decapitated, and Ron Goldman laying against the fence, bleeding all over the place with his eyes wide open.

01:05:42.160 Nobody as a parent could do that.

01:05:43.980 Another thing that was funny, and the people that we talked to, they all said to me, did you know that OJ, it bothers him, the sight of blood?

01:05:57.000 A weapon such as a knife is a weapon of choice.

01:06:00.040 OJ could have done anything other than use a knife if he was afraid of blood.

01:06:04.280 If you're going to use a knife, you're going to be cutting somebody.

01:06:07.160 You're certainly going to see blood.

01:06:08.540 Yeah, but that could be, you know, overridden by your rage and hate for someone, you know.

01:06:17.220 So, again, this PI, he misses, but he definitely hits on some things as well.

01:06:22.800 He brings some really, really interesting investigative points during the course of his independent investigation, which we're going to get into here very shortly.

01:06:29.200 They arrested OJ right after he came back from the trip.

01:06:37.260 To me, when they examined him, there should have been some bruises on him that were indicative of a fight.

01:06:43.260 Agreed.

01:06:43.680 To Bill Deere, it was impossible for the killer to have come out of such a fight with nothing but a cut on his hand.

01:06:50.660 And what's more, Ron Goldman was no average opponent.

01:06:54.340 He was trained in karate.

01:06:55.440 I think that's the one thing that really caught me off guard.

01:06:59.100 How do you fight with Ron Goldman, a karate expert to some degree, who's got 20-some-odd stab wounds, who's fighting for his life.

01:07:07.500 He's got bruises.

01:07:08.060 You guys can see all the bruising here.

01:07:10.280 He was, you guys can look, look at the, look at the, um, the bruises on his knuckles.

01:07:15.620 Hits were landing, guys.

01:07:17.040 Hits were definitely landing.

01:07:19.300 There's knuckles.

01:07:21.220 There's marks on the bottom of Goldman's tennis shoes.

01:07:23.620 There's a mark across the canvas top of it where he's trying to kick out, trying to defend himself in the karate motions, in the defensive posture that he's been taught.

01:07:32.320 And you guys can see, like I showed you guys earlier, the blood on the leg.

01:07:36.260 How did he get stabbed in the leg like that?

01:07:38.280 He was fighting.

01:07:42.600 Charles, you've had a chance to look at the crime scene pictures as much as we could really give you.

01:07:46.820 Medic and trained karate expert, Charles England, has studied the Goldman fight.

01:07:51.740 Bill wants Charles to show him how he thinks the fight occurred.

01:07:54.580 Come on in, Jason.

01:07:56.880 I'm going to demonstrate what's happening in the fight scene.

01:07:59.960 Ron Goldman comes by here.

01:08:03.160 He's surprised by a strike.

01:08:04.920 He's blocking.

01:08:05.820 He's coming in.

01:08:06.540 The assailant's right here.

01:08:07.760 He's defending himself.

01:08:08.900 He's striking.

01:08:10.200 The assailant's coming down, trying to overbear on him.

01:08:13.420 He's coming in.

01:08:14.960 I'm stabbing.

01:08:15.540 He links back to the sidekick.

01:08:17.280 Boom.

01:08:17.640 He gets struck.

01:08:18.520 He comes back in.

01:08:19.300 One, two.

01:08:20.860 He's struck in.

01:08:22.100 And three.

01:08:22.580 Would there be any wounds or any marks on your body based on what Goldman has just done to defend himself and protect his life?

01:08:31.680 If there were bruised marks on the knuckles, what would that be indicative of to you as a professional?

01:08:36.960 He struck him.

01:08:37.960 He struck him multiple times.

01:08:39.860 Stick your hands up to strike him.

01:08:42.100 I would say there would be strike wounds in here and to the facial area.

01:08:46.500 But reading the autopsy report, he had bruises around these two knuckles and somewhat the third, meaning he sunk his fist into the man.

01:08:58.600 Yeah.

01:08:59.100 Like, you can't fake that, guys.

01:09:01.200 You know what I mean?

01:09:01.600 You are definitely doing some fucking type shit if you're – and obviously, this is a fight for your life.

01:09:10.020 Adrenaline is pumping, you know?

01:09:12.060 And I was trained when I was in the law enforcement academy, guys, that when you're dealing with a knife and a knife fight, right, the adrenaline a lot of times, you won't even know you've been stabbed.

01:09:20.580 All you feel is like something warm, okay?

01:09:23.160 And that's your blood, obviously, but your adrenaline is going crazy.

01:09:26.840 He's punching the fuck out of this guy.

01:09:28.680 You don't get bruises like that on your knuckles without being in a serious fight.

01:09:34.300 Like I said before, the cut on the leg, how are you going to get that?

01:09:37.380 He was probably fighting, kicking, et cetera, and the guy was stabbing the leg, okay?

01:09:43.020 And then you could see crazy blood all over the place in that area and where they were fighting.

01:09:47.900 Could I have done this fight without any bruises whatsoever on my body?

01:09:54.160 What would be the least I could walk away from?

01:09:57.040 The least you could walk away from would maybe be a black eye, some bruised ribs, maybe even broken ribs.

01:10:05.420 But when Simpson was examined shortly after the murders, no injuries or bruises were found.

01:10:11.240 Not even a day later, guys.

01:10:12.860 You know, literally, this is the next day.

01:10:14.480 And he comes, he flies right back from L.A., from Chicago.

01:10:19.620 Except for three small cuts on his left hand.

01:10:24.120 Simpson has given various answers about the cuts, from a broken glass in his hotel room in Chicago to wrestling with his son.

01:10:32.420 Forensic pathologist Dr. Werner Spitz viewed the photographs and testified in court against Simpson.

01:10:38.560 These were not glass cuts.

01:10:41.360 And what they were, were fingernail marks.

01:10:44.480 How did they happen?

01:10:46.880 He held her with his arm around her neck.

01:10:51.420 She, with her long acrylic fingernails, tried to get his arm off, inflicting those wounds, which by location on the fingers corresponded to that kind of a grasp. 1.00

01:11:05.680 But even if they were fingernail marks, Goldman or Nicole couldn't have caused them.

01:11:12.540 Goldman's nails were too short.

01:11:15.200 And though analysis of Nicole's acrylic nails did show blood, it wasn't Simpson's.

01:11:20.080 It pointed to someone else with a different blood group.

01:11:23.880 Guys, that is fucking huge.

01:11:27.940 Huge.

01:11:28.920 I'm going to rewind that for y'all one more time.

01:11:31.320 Okay?

01:11:32.880 That's a bombshell of evidence.

01:11:34.680 You know, and obviously the defense was able to use this to their advantage.

01:11:37.980 But let's get played it one more time for y'all.

01:11:39.660 Because I want you guys to really take that in.

01:11:42.760 So, the marks on OJ's fingers are more indicative of being scratched.

01:11:50.100 Okay?

01:11:52.460 I'm going to go ahead and rewind this so you guys really get this.

01:11:55.020 Location on the fingers corresponded to that kind of a grasp.

01:12:01.360 But even if they were...

01:12:02.520 By location on the fingers, inflicting she with her long acrylic fingernail,

01:12:10.640 she with her long acrylic fingernails,

01:12:15.600 tried to get his arm off, inflicting those wounds,

01:12:20.400 which by location on the fingers corresponded to that kind of a grasp.

01:12:27.680 But even if they were fingernail marks,

01:12:30.500 Goldman or Nicole couldn't have caused them.

01:12:33.240 Goldman's nails were too short.

01:12:35.900 And though analysis of Nicole's acrylic nails did show blood,

01:12:39.540 it wasn't Simpson's.

01:12:41.360 It pointed to someone else with a different blood group.

01:12:44.560 Blood group type B.

01:12:48.440 That's important, guys.

01:12:49.700 So, whoever she got,

01:12:51.620 she dug into them as she was defending herself, 0.94

01:12:54.280 into their hand or whatever she was able to grab,

01:12:57.780 scratched the hell out of them.

01:12:58.740 And I'm going to pull up a picture of her nails for y'all right here in a second. 0.99

01:13:01.600 She was wearing some white tips.

01:13:03.840 And white French tip nails. 0.99

01:13:07.060 And she was able to go ahead and obviously get some of that blood under her nail. 1.00

01:13:12.480 And it was not OJ's.

01:13:15.480 That is huge, guys.

01:13:16.960 That is huge.

01:13:17.520 So, now we got the cap, right?

01:13:19.700 The hat that has African-American hair fibers.

01:13:22.480 However, it's not OJ's.

01:13:23.840 And we got blood under Nicole Simpson's fingernails that is not OJ's. 1.00

01:13:28.520 So, that in itself is exculpatory.

01:13:34.260 Let's go into part three here.

01:13:36.660 Like the video, by the way.

01:13:37.620 Hope you guys are enjoying this.

01:13:38.540 Simpson wasn't bruised.

01:13:39.680 Simpson wasn't bruised as expected, and the fingernail evidence pointed away from him.

01:13:45.320 There were more contradictions, too.

01:13:48.360 The police and the prosecution were adamant that Simpson had carried out the murder in a spontaneous fit of jealous rage.

01:13:54.960 And yet they also believed that Simpson wore the gloves that had been found, suggesting a premeditated attack.

01:14:02.780 But even this wasn't the most disturbing aspect of the police case.

01:14:06.540 There were serious questions about the reliability of the evidence against Simpson of the crime scenes.

01:14:14.460 One of the world's most respected forensic analysts is Dr. Henry Lee.

01:14:19.280 Acting for the defense, he examined the scenes at first hand.

01:14:22.560 And Henry Lee, legend, when it comes to blood splatter type evidence, etc., testified in several trials.

01:14:30.480 This is, I think, one of the few times he actually testified on the behalf of the defense.

01:14:34.380 You know, and that goes to show you guys the power of OJ's defense team.

01:14:38.820 Shapiro was able to get Henry to testify on their side.

01:14:41.900 And, you know, he gave some compelling testimony that aided the defense to show that, you know, again, guys, the job of the defense is to go ahead and create reasonable doubts, okay?

01:14:54.000 That is their job, create reasonable doubt for the prosecution.

01:14:58.480 So let's play this and see what he was able to find.

01:15:00.500 There are certain principles, crime scene principles, basic procedure violated.

01:15:07.900 Everybody together, step all over the place, and step into the blood.

01:15:15.160 That's why the problem is star, the contamination of the scene.

01:15:19.540 The crucial issue in the case is walk all over the blood. 0.86

01:15:24.280 Now you regenerate, redistribute all this pattern.

01:15:28.140 So the DNA grouping could be erroneous.

01:15:31.200 Shoot print pattern in that little area becomes so complicated.

01:15:38.460 So many different patterns there.

01:15:40.860 You really cannot tell which one from who.

01:15:45.600 Peter Harper is a British specialist in this field and has reviewed the police handling of the scenes.

01:15:51.900 And that was something that was criticized significantly with the LAPD, how they handled the evidence, carelessness, contamination.

01:15:59.540 This was a big part of the defense's angle to go ahead and attack the defense.

01:16:05.220 And, guys, this is why chain of custody is so important.

01:16:07.520 This is why evidence procedure in general with law enforcement agencies all over the country were revolutionized by this investigation

01:16:17.160 because the defense was able to attack something that typically is unchallengeable, forensic evidence, guys, based on the fact that it was contaminated.

01:16:24.640 Or the allegation that it was contaminated, excuse me.

01:16:30.480 There's about seven to nine officers milling up and down that path, and it still hasn't been forensically examined or cleared.

01:16:40.560 I mean, it's atrocious, that.

01:16:42.620 It should never, ever have been allowed to happen.

01:16:44.300 Now, the view here of the coroner's officer, he's now at the top of the steps, so he's walked through the blood.

01:16:52.580 Okay, so, guys, I have a graphic photo here that I'm going to show you guys, and this is Nicole Simpson's nails.

01:16:58.840 I was able to find one.

01:16:59.640 This was actually a very difficult photo to show you guys, but I'm going to go ahead and show it here off to the side, right, so you guys don't have to see the face there.

01:17:07.800 But there's her nails, okay?

01:17:09.600 As you guys can see, there's a significant amount of blood there, obviously, from her getting cut.

01:17:14.560 But there's also some blood there from the attacker, okay?

01:17:20.780 So this was taken, obviously, on the day of the attack.

01:17:30.620 Over the body, he's standing on the top step of the passageway.

01:17:34.580 Which, once again, the blood under her nails were not OJ's, guys.

01:17:37.640 Very important fact.

01:17:39.500 Which, again, could either be the root of the murder coming in or going out.

01:17:44.560 And he's leaning up against railings.

01:17:47.380 He's got his foot against the wall.

01:17:49.480 He's rubbing valuable evidence away and, again, introducing evidence to that scene.

01:17:55.920 The catalogue of errors goes on.

01:17:58.980 According to Henry Lee, blood that had quite clearly dripped onto Nicole's back could very well have been the killer's.

01:18:05.500 It was never even collected.

01:18:07.200 This on her back, those passive dripping, clearly indicate could be another individual. 0.94

01:18:14.560 Could be wrong governments, could be the suspects.

01:18:21.740 That's why it's so crucial for solving cases to reconstruct the case.

01:18:27.580 That seven drop of blood should collect.

01:18:30.580 However, the moment you turn the body down, that seven drop is gone.

01:18:35.440 The moment you put the body in the body, that seven drop was lost forever.

01:18:41.180 Peter Harper and colleague Terry Merston found yet more violations.

01:18:47.440 And this is the importance of preserving the crime scene, guys, especially murder investigations.

01:18:51.200 You only get that crime scene one time, okay?

01:18:54.160 So you need to be able to collect everything that you need to collect.

01:18:56.860 No one gets moved.

01:18:57.800 No one gets touched until everyone is able to, until they're able to properly photograph it.

01:19:02.900 They're properly able to collect swab samples.

01:19:05.160 They're properly able to get DNA samples, blood samples, bodily fluids, whatever the hell is there at the scene.

01:19:12.260 And the coroner is not supposed to come in until way later, until the detectives and the forensic team are 100% done and do what they need to do.

01:19:20.900 ...procedure.

01:19:23.080 Ideally, you should have separate teams for each incident.

01:19:27.080 And none of those teams should come into contact with one another.

01:19:30.420 So that if you have a potential murder scene at Rockingham, it must be kept completely separate from Bundy Drive.

01:19:38.880 And equally so, the vehicle that was involved, that should also be treated as a separate scene.

01:19:44.520 And it clearly hasn't been done.

01:19:45.980 So you've cross-contaminated all three scenes.

01:19:49.980 There are also major concerns about the blood evidence in the bronco being contaminated.

01:19:55.960 Incredibly, a number of officers who had been at the Bundy crime scene were reported to have been inside the bronco before it had been examined.

01:20:03.440 And one of those officers had looked after Nicole's dog, whose blood-stained paws had originally led people to the victims.

01:20:12.040 So that's another issue there as well, right?

01:20:14.340 Because now you're having chain of custody issues.

01:20:16.480 You don't know whose blood is what, where it came from, etc.

01:20:19.100 So it starts to mess up the ability to recreate the crime scene.

01:20:22.140 And the dog was the original person, person, the original signifier that Nicole had been murdered, guys.

01:20:29.720 She got murdered somewhere around 10, between 10, 30-ish to 11-ish.

01:20:35.580 And her body wasn't discovered until midnight because the dog was barking.

01:20:38.920 And neighbors had found the dog with blood on its paws.

01:20:42.340 And the dog led them back to Nicole.

01:20:45.440 The fact that he got into the vehicle, it proves that he had visited the scene.

01:20:50.160 He's contaminated that vehicle.

01:20:52.300 Therefore, all that evidence, it isn't evidence.

01:20:56.060 It's corrupt evidence.

01:20:57.500 There is no validity to that evidence.

01:21:02.560 If he went to the Crown Prosecution Services with that type of evidence, it wouldn't see the light of day.

01:21:08.080 It certainly wouldn't go to court.

01:21:09.440 And it certainly wouldn't see a prosecution.

01:21:12.340 Remarkably, just 36 hours after the murders, the Bundy Drive crime scene was washed down.

01:21:25.340 Oh, shit.

01:21:26.320 Wow.

01:21:27.120 That's kind of quick.

01:21:28.580 Was this a case of bad police practice?

01:21:31.720 Or was the...

01:21:32.120 Well, also keep in mind, guys, that they had an enormous amount of pressure on them because cameras were all over the place.

01:21:36.760 So they were kind of in a rush to go ahead and process the crime scene.

01:21:40.660 But there are cameras there pretty much damn near 24-7 watching what the hell was going on.

01:21:45.840 So that also, you know, you got to look at it objectively from both sides.

01:21:50.240 You know, yes, were the police rushed?

01:21:52.380 Of course, right?

01:21:53.520 But, you know, did the police do a sloppy job?

01:21:55.540 Yes.

01:21:56.400 But were the press staring being a pain in the fucking ass?

01:21:59.180 Yes.

01:22:00.040 You know?

01:22:01.580 And we're going to talk about that here in a little bit.

01:22:03.260 The evidence actively tampered with, or even planted, to help their case against Simpson.

01:22:10.580 There were two pieces of crucial and damning evidence against him.

01:22:15.180 Nicole's blood was found spattered on a pair of Simpson's socks in his bedroom.

01:22:19.400 And blood was found on the back gate at Nicole's house three weeks after the scene had been washed down,

01:22:24.960 which provided the best match by far to Simpson's DNA at the murder scene.

01:22:29.380 So three weeks later, okay, guys?

01:22:32.660 So that's a little, wait, what's going on here?

01:22:36.240 What?

01:22:36.920 That they found that.

01:22:37.760 But during the criminal trial, the defense requested that second test be done on the blood from the socks and the gate.

01:22:47.280 This time, they both revealed traces of a preservative called EDTA.

01:22:52.480 EDTA is used by forensic scientists to stop blood clotting in the test tube.

01:22:57.620 It cannot occur naturally in blood.

01:22:59.660 The sock test showed that EDTA was found only in the bloodstains and not in the rest of the socks.

01:23:08.660 And the gate test had the same results.

01:23:11.380 EDTA was found only in the bloodstains and not in the control samples taken from the gate.

01:23:18.000 For Terry Merston and Peter Harper, there is only one interpretation.

01:23:22.060 There cannot be any other explanation with EDTA in the blood that it's been put there.

01:23:29.080 Because it doesn't occur naturally.

01:23:32.240 Just specifically in the spots of blood and not on the socks.

01:23:36.500 Let's say for argument's sake that you could get EDTA in soap powder or something like that. 0.71

01:23:41.300 Well, if that was possible, then that would explain the EDTA in the blood because it was in the socks.

01:23:47.860 But when the socks haven't got EDTA or any sign of it, but the blood has, speaks for itself.

01:23:57.040 And that right there, guys, okay, was what the defense was able to use to articulate, oh, they planted evidence.

01:24:05.540 Because the defense argument was, yo, these guys have blood, right, that has EDTA in it, a preservative used for lab testing so the blood doesn't clot.

01:24:16.360 How the hell is it at these crime scenes with EDTA in it?

01:24:19.800 This doesn't make sense.

01:24:20.940 They planted the evidence, okay?

01:24:22.760 So now, is there a plausible explanation for this?

01:24:26.060 Yes, there is to a degree.

01:24:26.960 As you guys know, I keep it objective on this bad boy.

01:24:30.300 So I'm going to go ahead and play two different perspectives here with the blood situation, okay?

01:24:36.940 And I have it right here.

01:24:39.660 Okay, this is the science portion of it.

01:24:44.340 And as you guys can see, we got a lot to go over.

01:24:46.120 We're going to talk about, you know, OJ Simpson, if I did it, his book.

01:24:51.280 We're going to go through where the crimes actually occurred real time with video, more of the documentary.

01:24:58.160 This is going to be probably one of the most thorough breakdowns of the OJ Simpson case on YouTube in modern day, okay?

01:25:05.220 Yes, I am saying that.

01:25:06.540 So let's go ahead and, you know, talk about this EDTA controversial talking point that defense was able to actually effectively use to help OJ get off.

01:25:17.140 Pause.

01:25:18.940 Get off on murder charges.

01:25:20.360 The prosecution's case relies in part on a trail of blood, a trail, they say, that leads to OJ Simpson's guilt.

01:25:32.400 The defense claims the trail leads to sloppy police work, bad science, and perhaps something more sinister.

01:25:38.700 Do you have an opinion on whether, based on those chromatograms, there is EDTA present in the stain from the back gate?

01:25:45.960 In my opinion, yes, it demonstrates that there is EDTA present in that stain.

01:25:53.180 EDTA is a preservative.

01:25:55.320 According to forensic toxicologist Frederick Readers, it's present in two blood stains, one found at the scene of the crime, the other on OJ Simpson's socks.

01:26:04.540 Why would those stains contain a preservative?

01:26:07.380 The defense offers an explanation.

01:26:09.720 The day after the murders, OJ Simpson willingly gave a sample of his blood to police.

01:26:14.020 It was stored in test tubes containing EDTA.

01:26:18.160 The defense says someone in the LAPD must have taken blood from one of the test tubes and planted it.

01:26:24.320 But the prosecution points out Readers didn't do any experiments on the blood stains himself.

01:26:29.840 And the investigator who did, FBI Special Agent Roger Marks, directly contradicts Readers.

01:26:35.960 I concluded, based on the work that I've done on the 19th, the 22nd, and the 28th, that the blood stains in question did not come from preserved blood.

01:26:49.300 They did not come from blood that was preserved with EDTA.

01:26:52.380 And there's another complication.

01:26:55.100 EDTA also is found in everyday products like food and laundry detergent.

01:26:59.840 If the blood on the sock found in OJ Simpson's house contains EDTA, could it have come from detergent?

01:27:06.600 Dr. Readers says no.

01:27:08.380 Did Agent Martz of the FBI test an area of the sock that did not have any apparent blood on it?

01:27:16.380 Yes, that's what he states he did.

01:27:18.500 Did that indicate the presence of EDTA?

01:27:20.240 No, it did not.

01:27:21.780 And what does that tell you about the blood stain?

01:27:24.940 Well, that means, since it is my opinion, that the blood stain contained EDTA, that that came from the blood and not from the sock.

01:27:36.560 If jurors aren't buying the planted evidence theory, the defense has another, contaminated evidence.

01:27:42.700 John Gerdes, a molecular biologist, offers this sweeping indictment of the facility where most of the evidence was tested.

01:27:49.140 And let me just make this extremely clear.

01:27:50.900 The fact that the defense was able to call someone to go ahead and go against the FBI's, you know, blood test, which they keep in mind, they actually tested the blood from the actual crime scene versus the defense's witness had not.

01:28:05.240 Okay, and then they're able to bring in this guy as an expert witness, and you guys are going to see what he also says.

01:28:11.200 This goes to speak the incredible skill of OJ Simpson's team at diluting the prosecution's case.

01:28:23.780 Okay, remember, guys, the defense's job is not to prove that the client is innocent.

01:28:30.940 Their job is to prove that the client could be innocent.

01:28:35.000 You see the difference there?

01:28:36.040 Again, the defense's job is not to prove that their client is innocent.

01:28:41.000 Their job is to prove that their client could be innocent because U.S. law, right, is big on innocent until proven guilty, and they would rather let a criminal walk free than imprison an innocent man.

01:28:54.560 Okay?

01:28:54.780 So that is what the law is, you know, that's how it's supposed to be, and if you have a good defense team, that's how it's going to be, okay?

01:29:04.080 That's why it's so important to hire own counsel versus getting public defendants.

01:29:07.480 They're going to go the extra mile to bring expert witnesses like this that can go ahead and do what?

01:29:13.200 Dilute the prosecution's case, all right?

01:29:16.180 The LAPD laboratory has a substantial contamination problem that is persistent and substantial.

01:29:27.540 Is it chronic?

01:29:28.720 It is chronic, and it's chronic in the sense that it doesn't go away.

01:29:32.940 I can find it month after month, and it persists.

01:29:38.860 Gerdes conducted an independent investigation of the crime lab's procedures and performance.

01:29:43.520 He found half to all of the tests performed there have problems.

01:29:48.200 I found that the specimen handling procedures were done in such a manner that it had a tremendous, there was a tremendous risk of the potential of this cross-contamination.

01:30:00.140 The prosecution counters pointing out not all the tests were performed by the LAPD.

01:30:05.720 Blood samples also were sent to two outside laboratories, Cellmark Diagnostics and the State Justice Department.

01:30:12.200 And this is a pretty fair, you know, the rebuttal by the prosecution.

01:30:17.200 ...performed at these labs also point to Simpson as the prime suspect.

01:30:22.660 The defense now returns to the scene of the crime, using forensic science to attack the prosecution's timeline theory.

01:30:29.560 Their witness, Dr. Michael Botten, brings impressive credentials.

01:30:33.780 Besides investigating the deaths of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr.,

01:30:37.200 he helped convict the man who killed civil rights leader Medgar Evers.

01:30:41.920 Today, he testifies about the brutal deaths of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman.

01:30:46.660 What is the basis for your opinion that there was a struggle between Nicole Brown Simpson and her assailant or assailants prior to the time she died?

01:30:57.360 Well, because there were about nine or ten stab wounds and cut wounds on her body before she suffered the fatal injury.

01:31:07.940 The point of all this is to show the murders took a lot longer to commit than the two or three minutes granted by the prosecution.

01:31:14.680 If the defense can show the murders took 5, 10, or 15 minutes, O.J. Simpson's window of opportunity closes.

01:31:22.700 Remember, according to the limo driver, Simpson was back at his estate at 10.55 that night.

01:31:28.620 If Ronald Goldman...

01:31:29.680 Because he had to catch the flight to Chicago.

01:31:33.640 And remember, we know that it's about two miles, right, from Rockingham to Bundy.

01:31:40.700 So, you know, it's a five-minute drive.

01:31:42.540 But would he have had time to murder them, get in the car, run back home, change, then come down and meet his limo driver?

01:31:48.600 That's where it gets shaky.

01:31:49.480 He began a struggle with his assailants at 10.40 p.m.

01:31:56.320 Within a reasonable degree of medical certainty, can you tell us when the stab wound to the chest would have occurred?

01:32:08.620 My opinion would be at least five minutes, more likely around 10 minutes, after the neck started to bleed.

01:32:16.460 The defense calls Dr. Henry Lee.

01:32:19.440 Finally, the internationally renowned forensic scientist, Dr. Henry Lee, takes center stage for the defense.

01:32:26.020 Hired by Robert Shapiro right after the murders, Lee is considered the nation's top forensic investigator, credited with solving 5,000 crimes.

01:32:34.780 He's also famous for his courtroom theatrics.

01:32:38.940 University of New Haven, you know, named one of their buildings after him, okay,

01:32:43.380 because they have actually a forensic major there at UNH.

01:32:47.800 Dr. Lee's tutorial style and obvious expertise hold the jurors' rapt attention, and his testimony isn't always grim.

01:32:55.580 Is Mr. Blazer there?

01:32:58.340 Lee, your honor.

01:32:59.320 Sistine.

01:33:00.520 Oh, maybe him.

01:33:01.600 You all look alike.

01:33:02.880 I don't know.

01:33:03.180 But the defense has a serious reason for putting Lee on the stand, to explain three sets of mysterious parallel lines found at the crime scene.

01:33:13.620 The defense suggests they're the shoe prints of a second killer.

01:33:17.340 The prosecution says that's nonsense, and the only detectable footprints are those from a pair of Bruno Mali shoes,

01:33:24.520 which they contend Simpson wore when he committed the murders.

01:33:27.900 Lee's testimony is cautious.

01:33:29.680 If this parallel line imprint comes from a shoe, could it be the Bruno Magli shoe?

01:33:37.240 No.

01:33:39.120 It would be some other shoe.

01:33:42.280 If this is a shoe print, this is a different type of design.

01:33:47.940 And this shoe is going to come into play in the civil case.

01:33:51.680 But Lee never says definitively the lines are shoe prints.

01:33:56.520 And a couple of weeks after appearing in court, Lee holds a news conference to announce he'll no longer testify for the defense.

01:34:03.500 One-time experience is more than enough.

01:34:07.380 Life has to go on besides O.J. Simpson case.

01:34:12.740 It's a sentiment members of the jury probably share.

01:34:15.680 The D-1-S-80 typing result was consistent with Mr. Simpson.

01:34:21.680 The jury has been overwhelmed with scientific evidence.

01:34:25.120 Can you see that the moisture is spread out from the control swatch?

01:34:28.340 Those samples are contaminated.

01:34:29.740 And by scientists.

01:34:32.480 Now the jury must decide who's...

01:34:34.720 So as you guys can see, there was a significant amount of conflicting evidence from the forensics, which hurt the prosecution.

01:34:42.380 Because the thing with forensic evidence is it's supposed to stand on its own and be indisputed.

01:34:47.540 But the defense was able to attack the procedures, the collection, the contamination.

01:34:53.640 And regardless of if the LAPD did everything correctly, all the defense has to do is cause reasonable doubt, guys, okay?

01:35:02.800 Remember, it's on the prosecution to prove it's beyond a reasonable doubt.

01:35:07.860 It's on the defense to create that reasonable doubt.

01:35:10.960 Someone must have put it there.

01:35:12.240 The blood evidence in Simpson's bronco was also crucial to the case against him.

01:35:18.620 Two days after the murders, the car was tested.

01:35:21.880 Simpson's blood was found, but there were also traces of both victim's blood.

01:35:27.740 Particularly noticeable were the bloodstains on the center console, labeled as items 30 and 31.

01:35:34.440 Item 30 was found to be only Simpson's blood.

01:35:37.120 But like the sample from the gate, when the blood evidence in the bronco was re-examined three months later, it had also changed.

01:35:47.140 In particular, the results from the console were now very different.

01:35:51.720 Item 30, relabeled as 303 and 306, was now found to be a mixture of Simpson's, Ron Goldman's, and Nicole's blood.

01:36:00.800 Guys, and this is a nightmare.

01:36:03.340 You don't want things changing up on you when you're trying to build a criminal case, okay?

01:36:09.160 Relabeling things, results coming back different.

01:36:12.460 This is a no bueno, man, because this hurts the validity of the case.

01:36:18.220 You always want to get it done the first time when it comes to prosecution, forensics, evidence, etc.,

01:36:24.780 because it gives the defense wiggle room to go ahead and challenge the way the evidence was collected.

01:36:32.400 And this is how Simpson was able to beat these charges.

01:36:36.740 Not only that, he also had a star team, by the way, guys.

01:36:39.520 This was his defense team right here.

01:36:41.520 Just to show y'all real fast.

01:36:45.580 This was his defense team.

01:36:46.780 You know, you can see Shapiro, Johnny Cochran, Bailey's not in here, but this is his defense team, which cost him, I think it was $10 million altogether, his defense cost him.

01:37:01.520 Where are we at here?

01:37:04.180 Yeah, there we go.

01:37:08.520 There's all of them together.

01:37:09.980 I think this is Bailey right here.

01:37:11.140 There's Kardashian.

01:37:11.760 I mean, yeah, dude, Johnny Cochran, this was an incredible team that they put together.

01:37:17.100 All of these guys were seasoned attorneys.

01:37:20.100 You know, you got Johnny, right?

01:37:22.560 You got Shapiro, who was considered the architect because he's the one that created the team.

01:37:27.700 You got Johnny Cochran with his famous phrase, if it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

01:37:31.000 Robert Kardashian, obviously a close friend of Simpson.

01:37:32.940 Simpson was living at his house at the time.

01:37:35.480 F. Lee Bailey joined the defense team before the preliminary hearing and handled many of the defense team's press conferences.

01:37:39.740 Bailey's most notable contribution defense was his cross-examination of LAPD investigator Mark Furman.

01:37:45.680 You know, he was able to get him to plead the fifth, right, which is crazy for a detective to take the fifth in a criminal trial.

01:37:54.100 Crazy stuff.

01:37:55.240 Alan Dershowitz was a Felix Frankfurter professor, amortis at Harvard Law, and in 2013 remained one of the most successful lawyers and legal scholars in the country.

01:38:04.820 After representing Simpson, he represented Julian Assange, Jeffrey Epstein, and Harvey Weinstein.

01:38:10.760 He's also served as a member of the legal team for President Donald Trump during his first impeachment trial.

01:38:15.920 He's written multiple books.

01:38:17.560 Barry Sheck, a law professor at the Benjamin N. Cordazo School of Law in New York City.

01:38:23.600 Forensic expert.

01:38:24.880 Sheck is known for his work as co-founder and co-director of the Anderson Project, a nonprofit organization.

01:38:29.080 They use DNA evidence to clear the names of wrongfully convicted inmates.

01:38:32.280 This guy was instrumental at attacking the defense's forensic evidence.

01:38:38.680 You know, you got Peter Newfield joined the Simpson defense team to assist with undermining the prosecution's DNA and forensic evidence.

01:38:45.040 He is perhaps best known for discrediting the credibility of the blood trail between Nicole Simpson's body and O.J. Simpson's car.

01:38:50.580 Another guy that was also huge in discrediting the prosecution's, you know, strategy, which was heavily, heavily reliant upon forensic evidence and blood.

01:39:04.220 And then you got Gerald F. Uelman was part of O.J.'s defense team during the O.J. Simpson murder case.

01:39:10.540 He says he devised a memorable line used by Johnny Cochran in the closing argument.

01:39:15.120 If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

01:39:16.200 So he's the one that came up with it.

01:39:17.660 So, guys, this is some of the best defense money can buy.

01:39:22.920 He literally had a team that overwhelmed the prosecution experience, skill.

01:39:29.340 You know, they used a lot of dirty tactics, right?

01:39:32.260 They used a race card quite a bit in this trial.

01:39:33.960 They were able to appeal to the emotion of the jury, which was had a bunch of black jurors on there, black females to be exact. 1.00

01:39:41.760 And, you know, they were able to do it.

01:39:44.140 They were able to do it.

01:39:44.960 They were able to discredit the investigators.

01:39:46.260 They were able to discredit the evidence.

01:39:47.340 They were able to cause enough reasonable doubt, even in an investigation where it was very obvious that O.J. was involved in this thing.

01:39:54.020 This this was this this was a case, guys, of the defense.

01:40:00.880 Right.

01:40:02.000 The prosecution not showing up.

01:40:03.960 It's not that the defense won.

01:40:05.500 It's that the prosecution lost.

01:40:07.480 All right.

01:40:10.080 Three or four and three or five also differed from the original analysis and three or five could only have been made with a hand wet with fresh blood.

01:40:21.180 So how did the stains get there?

01:40:24.320 If they were made by either of Simpson's hands, then the hands had to be covered in blood from both himself and the victims.

01:40:31.100 But if that's the case, then everything else he touched, like the door handle, steering wheel, or light switch, should also be smeared with the same mixture.

01:40:39.980 But these smears are all just Simpson's blood alone.

01:40:44.440 If the stains were made with Simpson's right hand and he was still wearing the glove, then the finger area of the glove should have his blood on the fingertips, as well as blood from the victim's.

01:40:56.140 However, Simpson's blood is not found on the fingertips at all, nor is that mixture of all three of them found anywhere else in the vehicle.

01:41:03.780 We both think that that blood, those finger marks, were put on that console at a later time.

01:41:11.060 They were not on that console at the time of the murder.

01:41:15.200 The area they're in, I would say it's impossible for those finger marks to be put onto that console without either the console being removed or the seat being removed.

01:41:23.140 And the reason I say that is that the finger marks, if they were facing downwards, you might say, okay, that's a possibility.

01:41:29.200 But they're not. The finger marks are facing upwards.

01:41:33.060 That's an awkward angle.

01:41:34.880 Unless you've got an extremely flexible wrist and you can turn your hand at right angles, it's got to be your left hand, which means the elbow and forearm are going to be below the hand.

01:41:45.540 They wouldn't be able to do it because they wouldn't get their elbow and forearm low enough for their hand to put the finger marks in that position.

01:41:52.980 So, with serious doubts over the blood from the Bronco, the gate, and the socks, does this mean that the police were actively sweetening the case against Simpson?

01:42:05.300 Numerous allegations have now surfaced about...

01:42:07.480 See, and the defense can use that and run with it, guys. That's what they do.

01:42:10.440 They take a little piece of information like that, and it's off to the races.

01:42:14.820 Police are corrupt. They're planting evidence. Blah, blah, blah.

01:42:16.520 ...LAPD officers planting evidence. Detective Mark Furman, the racist officer who discovered some of the most important clues, was involved in cases where suspects were beaten and reports were falsified.

01:42:30.160 Questioned under oath, he pleaded the Fifth Amendment, the only way in an American court to avoid giving an answer.

01:42:36.980 The Fifth Amendment, guys, is basically the right to remain silent and not incriminate yourself. That is the Fifth Amendment in a nutshell.

01:42:43.800 Detective Furman, have you ever falsified a police report?

01:42:50.180 And this is Bailey right here going ahead, and, you know, this is an iconic moment in the trial when this happened.

01:42:56.540 And I remember when Furman had to come in and give this testimony, right?

01:43:01.080 Remember, guys, they leaked some tapes, okay?

01:43:03.300 So, long story short, let's rewind this real fast so you guys understand what the hell's going on here.

01:43:07.740 All right?

01:43:09.480 So, they leaked some tapes of Furman saying some racist things, okay?

01:43:13.800 Dropping an N-bomb, saying we got to kill the N-bombs, etc., blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? 0.88

01:43:18.980 And the thing is, is that these tapes came from him auditioning for some type of acting role of some kind or some audio book or something like that.

01:43:28.560 It was some kind of – he was auditioning for something.

01:43:30.740 And the tapes were made available to the defense in the middle of the trial, okay?

01:43:37.760 And they were able to actually introduce these tapes, okay, as pieces of evidence in the trial.

01:43:45.260 However, key distinction here, the judge, okay, and I want you guys to also understand this, too, that this is very, very, very important.

01:43:53.740 You guys got to understand that the jury did not see nearly as much of what the trial was actually covered by the media.

01:44:03.120 One more time for y'all.

01:44:04.060 Please understand this.

01:44:04.920 What was documented on the trial on television, okay, the jury saw a fraction of that.

01:44:13.360 So the jury did not see this testimony you guys are about to see right now with Furman taking the fifth as a detective in a criminal case.

01:44:21.080 The jury did not see this.

01:44:22.360 The jury, however, did listen to fragments of the racist comments, okay, during the trial.

01:44:31.260 They did listen to fragments of it.

01:44:32.860 Again, in context from what I understand, what I've been told, these racist comments came from him auditioning for some type of acting role or some kind of audio book, something to do like that.

01:44:42.960 But, again, with his background, with him being involved in situations where there was potential misconduct with other officers, not necessarily himself, but he was involved in it, makes him look bad.

01:44:54.800 And that's all the defense has to do is question your integrity and your candor.

01:45:00.880 And then as soon as you are deemed to be non-credible, that's a nightmare for the prosecution, okay?

01:45:08.280 So let's go ahead and play this right here.

01:45:12.960 I wish to assert my Fifth Amendment privilege.

01:45:17.640 Detective Furman, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case?

01:45:24.580 I assert my Fifth Amendment privilege.

01:45:28.400 Crazy.

01:45:29.300 And this is Lee F. Bailey right here, guys.

01:45:31.220 As you can see, after the verdict, here he is right here.

01:45:33.960 He's the one that was cross-examining Furman there with the tapes.

01:45:39.260 Because the thing is, is that Furman fucked up by saying he's never been racist or used racist comments towards black people ever.

01:45:49.160 And then these tapes come out.

01:45:51.080 Obviously, he can't sit there now and answer questions because they're going to look crazy.

01:45:54.280 Even if it was for some type of auditioning or whatever, the question was, have you ever used these terms before?

01:45:59.560 And he was basically responding in the affirmation, you know, no, I never have, okay?

01:46:04.580 And then the tapes come out, makes him look crazy.

01:46:06.780 It doesn't matter what context under which he said it.

01:46:09.300 He could technically be considered lying.

01:46:12.280 Now, could he have answered the questions and maybe not been charged or whatever?

01:46:15.440 Yeah.

01:46:15.860 But he's there with his counsel.

01:46:17.320 His counsel's like, fuck no, don't say nothing.

01:46:19.220 Just, it is what it is, bro.

01:46:21.040 Take the L.

01:46:21.560 You're not going to open up the door for them to potentially come after you and hit you with perjury.

01:46:26.380 So that's why he decided to take the fifth.

01:46:28.400 Even if him using those words were in the context of some kind of art or acting or whatever the hell,

01:46:35.080 he said under oath in prior testimony, I have never used those terms and I am not a racist.

01:46:41.620 And that's what the defense was able to do to attack his credibility.

01:46:45.040 And there were other disturbing aspects to the police evidence.

01:46:50.760 Simpson's defense team also alleged that some of the blood taken by the police after his interview had gone missing.

01:46:57.040 And they discovered that all the main blood samples were taken away by one detective.

01:47:04.500 See, it just looks bad, guys, right?

01:47:06.600 It just looks bad.

01:47:07.420 Just sloppy police work.

01:47:09.700 We learned in the criminal trial that a lead detective had a vial of Mr. Simpson's blood.

01:47:16.480 That alone, in any other case less controversial than this would have been enough to have the case.

01:47:22.600 If that had been discovered as it was here, then the case would be over, literally.

01:47:28.540 But we learned in the civil case, which went against Mr. Simpson,

01:47:32.560 nevertheless, we learned that that same senior detective had gone to the coroner's and asked for and received samples of the victim's blood.

01:47:43.400 And therefore, the blood of all the principals, that's 100% of the blood types found in this case,

01:47:50.340 on the fence, on the ground, on gloves, on socks, on clothing, in the car,

01:47:57.000 the universe of blood in this case, samples of which were in the hands of senior, at least one senior detective.

01:48:08.880 Thus, violating the chain of evidence, absolutely.

01:48:13.180 Violating every safeguard, every tradition, every expectation on the part of the prisoner at the bar.

01:48:20.560 Yeah, this right here, you know, again, you attack the evidence, you destroy the case.

01:48:27.260 Not admitted freely, but dug out by a highly active and aggressive defense team.

01:48:34.860 Simpson, would you please stand and face the jury?

01:48:36.500 Again, goes back to what I was saying, the defense won this case, man.

01:48:40.240 Sorry, the prosecution lost this case, the defense held on.

01:48:43.280 So, despite Simpson's blood at the scene, and his lack of an alibi,

01:48:48.020 there are now reasonable doubts about the evidence at all three crime scenes.

01:48:53.440 And that's all they have to do, create reasonable doubt.

01:48:56.300 That's the defense's job, guys.

01:48:57.680 Remember, it's not to prove that their client is innocent.

01:49:01.640 It's to prove that their client could be innocent.

01:49:04.980 California, County of Los Angeles.

01:49:06.740 When the verdict came, America stopped to watch, and the result split the nation.

01:49:14.000 We, the jury, in the above entitled action, find the defendant, Orenthal Jane Simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder.

01:49:20.540 Oh, shit! Oh, shit!

01:49:24.100 Crazy.

01:49:26.020 Some hailed the result as a victory over a system that would do anything to secure a conviction.

01:49:32.560 His defense team believed that there was a wider pattern of police corruption.

01:49:36.740 Wild.

01:49:42.160 Whatever evidence may have been manipulated, a year later Simpson faced another trial, this time in the civil courts.

01:49:50.800 In this case, brought by the victims' families, dramatic new evidence emerged.

01:49:55.400 The main set of bloody footprints by the bodies and down the path to the rear was made by a style of Bruno Magli shoes, of which there were only 300 pairs sold in the United States.

01:50:08.820 Under oath, Simpson denied owning a pair.

01:50:11.680 A photographer in Buffalo, New York, where Simpson played football for the better part of his career, heard about his testimony regarding the shoes and started rummaging through photographs that he had of O.J. Simpson.

01:50:30.060 And sure enough, he has this picture of Simpson wearing what appear to be these Bruno Magli shoes.

01:50:34.900 Oh, shit.

01:50:40.400 What's remarkable about the photograph is that you could actually see the soul.

01:50:43.940 That is high-quality shit right there, my friends.

01:50:49.480 O.J., that's an L. 1.00

01:50:50.820 Simpson was reported in the article saying it was a complete fraud.

01:50:54.920 It was laughable.

01:50:55.760 Somebody doctored the picture with digital equipment, and that is not the shoes that he wore that day.

01:51:01.680 Right before the end of the trial, another photographer in Buffalo came forward with 30 more photographs of Simpson wearing the same shoes on the same day.

01:51:16.220 And to top it off, a photo included in that group of 30 of him wearing the shoes was published in a newspaper put out by the Buffalo Bills organization nine months before the murders.

01:51:33.140 So now we had the photo in a newspaper, a matter of public record, meaning it was impossible for anybody to have doctored these photos.

01:51:45.780 Which obviously was one of the biggest pieces of evidence.

01:51:49.740 And here's the shoe print comparison.

01:51:52.140 This is from the crime scene.

01:51:53.440 This is a test impression of the shoe size 12.

01:51:56.100 And here's the shoe print from the actual crime scene.

01:52:00.380 And definitely, O.J., got to give yourself that.

01:52:03.160 Bam.

01:52:04.020 And yes, sir, that is definitely a facepalm.

01:52:11.040 Simpson lost the case and was ordered to pay the families of the victims millions of dollars.

01:52:16.200 Holy.

01:52:17.820 The family's lawyers had successfully argued to the civil trial jury that Simpson owned a pair of Bruno Mugley shoes.

01:52:25.400 So could Simpson have been at the crime scene with or after someone else?

01:52:31.820 And there you go.

01:52:33.220 And you have to pay, if I'm not mistaken, 33 million to the family, guys, which I don't think he paid any of it because his NFL pension,

01:52:40.780 which pays him about $20,000 per month, $20,000 to $25,000 per month, they can't touch that.

01:52:45.300 And, you know, obviously he went to jail for a significant amount of time for trying to steal back some memorabilia.

01:52:50.280 So, yeah.

01:52:52.400 But, yeah, man, that's an L. 0.91

01:52:53.800 And remember, guys, civil cases, remember, preponderance of the evidence.

01:52:56.560 It's not to the same level of beyond a reasonable doubt.

01:52:59.400 Preponderance of the evidence.

01:53:00.320 And this is evidence that did not come into the criminal case, the Bruno Mugley shoes.

01:53:05.060 Dr. Henry Lee believes he has found evidence that supports the idea of two people at the murder scene.

01:53:15.100 We're getting somewhere now.

01:53:17.620 At the scene, we notice another set of the shoe print, also on the Bundy walkway,

01:53:24.940 with parallel line design.

01:53:26.940 It's a smaller size, about 10 and a half.

01:53:31.080 It's not one.

01:53:32.280 It's quite a few.

01:53:33.160 Which, indicative, that's a trail.

01:53:37.840 It's not a random deposit.

01:53:41.480 Dr. Lee was told that none of the shoe prints from the police officers or other officials...

01:53:46.000 The closed captioning doing our boy, Dr. Lee, dirty.

01:53:48.680 You guys might have to rewind that part.

01:53:52.320 The scene matched this parallel line design.

01:53:56.180 It could be a second person.

01:54:00.160 Another suspect.

01:54:01.040 But that's a possibility.

01:54:04.200 Could be a witness.

01:54:05.720 Another possibility.

01:54:07.160 Simpson's defense team also unearthed the third possible shoe print.

01:54:14.380 This time leaving the scene heading on to Bundy Drive.

01:54:17.220 So is there an explanation that makes sense of all this evidence that points away from Simpson

01:54:26.220 as the killer, and yet explains the footprints and the blood at the scene?

01:54:32.380 Private eye Bill Deere thinks he has some answers, and tonight reveals his findings.

01:54:37.740 From watching the trial, there's no doubt in my mind, he came to the crime scene.

01:54:42.600 But to me, he came after the murders.

01:54:46.740 Deere wondered whether anyone else...

01:54:48.800 All right, so let's see his theory here, guys.

01:54:50.680 And then I'll give my theory after.

01:54:52.180 ...of course, Simpson to go to the scene.

01:54:55.120 After investigating other possible suspects, he honed in on just one.

01:55:00.240 Simpson's son from his first marriage, Jason.

01:55:02.940 Then I picked up...

01:55:04.200 Oh, shit.

01:55:05.800 Now we're going somewhere.

01:55:07.240 ...of course, I said, find out if there's any record at the police department of Jason

01:55:10.980 Lamar Simpson ever being interviewed by the police department.

01:55:14.640 I said, no, they never interviewed him.

01:55:16.560 I said, what?

01:55:17.880 Are you really telling me they never interviewed him?

01:55:21.280 Never interviewed him.

01:55:22.880 So I said, okay, I've got to look further.

01:55:25.120 I go down to the city, and I look up criminal records.

01:55:29.240 I found that at the day of the murders, that Jason Lamar Simpson was on probation.

01:55:37.880 Deere discovered that Jason, a chef, had been put on probation for a violent attack on

01:55:42.820 an employer, Paul Goldberg.

01:55:45.540 He also found that Jason had other convictions, including drunken driving and hit and run.

01:55:51.840 I talked to Miss Goldberg.

01:55:53.260 Man, these celebrity kids always be doing some dumb shit, bro.

01:55:56.240 Like, just...

01:55:57.240 Stupid.

01:55:57.440 You know, you grow up, you know, silver spoon in your mouth, dad is an NFL star, making

01:56:02.400 quite a bit of money, you're doing this dumb shit as an adult, chef, you know, again, in

01:56:06.680 fights, drunk driving, all this other stupid shit, man.

01:56:09.100 This is why...

01:56:10.320 Okay, this is just my opinion.

01:56:11.740 If you have a son or whatever, bro, you got to raise that dude as if you're poor or something

01:56:15.000 like that, man.

01:56:15.980 These kids be spoiled and act crazy. 0.62

01:56:18.400 Great.

01:56:19.520 What'd you find out, bro?

01:56:20.480 Dear and colleague Herman King tracked down Mrs. Goldberg, who witnessed the attack.

01:56:25.720 But she said he worked for us about three or four months, and one day he called in and

01:56:31.000 said, I can't come in, I'm sick.

01:56:32.900 And then two of the other cooks came in and said, hey, I saw Jason at a basketball game.

01:56:37.900 Next day, Jason shows up and said, I'm back to work now, I think I'm going to quit, and

01:56:45.440 I want to be paid for being off, for being sick.

01:56:47.900 And Paul said, no.

01:56:49.760 He gives him a big, nope, you ain't getting no money, bro.

01:56:52.160 I'm not going to pay you for being off, you were at a basketball game.

01:56:55.100 He said, you're going to pay me.

01:56:56.900 He said, you're going to pay me, you owe me.

01:57:00.300 And Paul said, no, I'm not going to pay you, and turned to walk away, and said, all of

01:57:07.340 a sudden, Jason came, run up behind him, and hit him from the back, and when he fell

01:57:11.960 down, Jason was stomping with his foot.

01:57:14.660 Next thing you know, he reached for a knife, one of the kitchen knives, or chef knives.

01:57:19.240 Oh, shit.

01:57:19.880 And she said the police were called, and said Jason was arrested, and the charges were

01:57:26.080 filed, but when they went to court, she said that the charges were lowered to a misdemeanor,

01:57:31.780 but he was fined, and placed on probation.

01:57:37.900 So there you go, you got some violent tendencies there, but wait, there's more.

01:57:44.200 Interviews with people who knew Jason, Deer discovered that he had a troubled past, and

01:57:49.080 a history of violence.

01:57:50.940 Age 15, Jason had even attacked a statue of his father with a baseball bat.

01:57:56.080 For Deer, the key question now, was whether Jason had a confirmed and convincing alibi.

01:58:06.520 On the night of the murders, 24-year-old Jason was working as a chef at Jackson's Restaurant

01:58:11.780 in Beverly Hills.

01:58:14.900 He was known by the people that worked there, and pretty well-liked it.

01:58:18.720 And there's going to be a very eerie, you know, thing here with the restaurants and Nicole

01:58:25.000 in a second.

01:58:26.080 And this is a detective that worked the case as well.

01:58:28.020 If I remember right.

01:58:30.600 And as, like most chefs, he had his own utensils, his knives.

01:58:36.460 And as I remember, they were all accounted for.

01:58:39.820 According to the police, Jason had a watertight alibi.

01:58:43.880 He was cooking until late that evening.

01:58:45.700 And we've established that he was with people that spoke for him, that they were with him,

01:58:51.240 and his times were accounted for.

01:58:54.520 So he was eliminated as a suspect very quickly.

01:58:58.260 Well, that, my friend, was not a good move because I will give the private investigator

01:59:04.600 this.

01:59:05.000 He did some damn good work here, and you guys are going to hear in a second.

01:59:07.400 Let's go.

01:59:07.740 I've always taken a position, and ever soon, we always verify.

01:59:12.300 So I went to the restaurant.

01:59:14.300 I then am talking to the waitresses, and I said, I was in on the 5th.

01:59:17.960 I think it was the Sunday before.

01:59:19.600 And I named the date because it was June 12th when the Coleman were murdered. 0.73

01:59:23.460 And I said, you had hardly anybody here.

01:59:25.400 And she said, yeah, we were lucky we had 20, 25 people.

01:59:28.400 We started closing right after July on Sunday, lack of business.

01:59:33.020 Well, all of a sudden, my mind's clicking.

01:59:34.200 And I knew then that, hey, Sunday was the day that she was killed, guys.

01:59:38.520 July, June 12th, 1994.

01:59:40.940 Something wrong.

01:59:43.220 So how early did the restaurant shut that night?

01:59:46.960 Deer tracked down a former waiter at Jackson's to find out.

01:59:49.920 What time do you think they would have shut down if there was no business on June 12th?

01:59:53.380 If there was no business on Sunday, even now we're a little busy.

01:59:57.280 Like 9.30, the kitchen starts breaking down.

01:59:59.900 But if on Sunday night, June 12th, there was only 20 to 25 people, then you'd shut down, what, 8.30, 9?

02:00:06.260 Right.

02:00:07.020 And just so you guys know, here's a calendar from June of 1994.

02:00:11.900 Bam.

02:00:12.800 Sunday, June 12th, okay?

02:00:14.500 And typically Sundays, a lot of the times, hey, man, they might be slower nights.

02:00:17.360 So if the restaurant shut as early as 9, who could give Jason his alibi?

02:00:28.200 As you guys can see, he's a pretty big dude.

02:00:30.040 He ain't small.

02:00:32.220 Jason himself has given an account of his movements on the night of the murders.

02:00:36.000 He stated that his girlfriend, Jennifer Green, picked him up in his car around 10 to 10.30, and they drove to her apartment.

02:00:45.680 He then dropped her off and went home, where he watched television until 3 in the morning.

02:00:53.160 To verify Jason's story, his girlfriend's testimony would be crucial.

02:00:58.620 He had packed her down to a fashion store in West Los Angeles.

02:01:01.800 I located, finally, the girlfriend, Jennifer Green.

02:01:07.420 I said, were you with him on the night of June 12th?

02:01:10.240 Absolutely.

02:01:11.460 She said, well, I was supposed to pick him up at 9.30, so I got there right at 9.30.

02:01:15.560 And he came out, and he said, I'll be a few minutes.

02:01:17.760 He came out a little before quarter till 10.

02:01:20.760 I said, what happened then?

02:01:22.560 She said, well, he came out.

02:01:25.480 I said, was he carrying anything?

02:01:26.580 Oh, yeah, he carries his knives that he takes with him.

02:01:29.440 Oh.

02:01:29.640 Well, he's a chef, right?

02:01:32.840 I said, oh, you're talking about his chef's knives?

02:01:34.800 He said, yes, his chef's knives.

02:01:36.820 And he got into the Jeep, and we drove to my house.

02:01:39.860 We got out and went upstairs to my apartment.

02:01:42.680 I said, to what time?

02:01:44.140 Oh, Mr. Spirit, he was with me till after 11 o'clock.

02:01:48.260 The two stories were in direct contradiction to each other.

02:01:52.300 The times were different, and Jason stated that he never went up to her apartment.

02:01:56.460 But Jennifer was adamant.

02:01:58.940 She said, you can verify it from the time clock.

02:02:01.100 You know, those time records will show what time we left.

02:02:02.740 We left about 9.45.

02:02:05.840 It was about a five-minute drive from Jackson's restaurant to Jennifer's apartment,

02:02:10.420 and a further 15 to 17 minutes to drive to Nicole's house on Bundy Drive.

02:02:16.280 So Jason could have been at the crime scene at around 10.15 that night,

02:02:20.140 which was the earliest the police believed the murders could have occurred.

02:02:28.120 With darts over Jason's alibi, Bill Deer continues.

02:02:31.580 So we got some questions here, as you guys can see.

02:02:35.100 Like, what's going on?

02:02:36.240 And just so you guys know, just to give you guys a frame of reference here,

02:02:39.300 here's OJ Simpson, okay, with his fam, right?

02:02:43.780 Here he is with – here's Nicole.

02:02:46.000 Here's his two children.

02:02:47.000 I don't know who this kid is.

02:02:48.460 And then here's Jason right here.

02:02:51.200 We know OJ is 6'1".

02:02:53.580 His son here, from looking, probably around 5'10", 5'11", okay?

02:02:59.480 Bigger guy, clearly stout, okay?

02:03:02.540 Has some weight on him.

02:03:04.180 Not a weak guy, right?

02:03:05.940 24 years old at the time.

02:03:10.580 ...to look into Jason's past,

02:03:13.100 and in particular for a previous girlfriend, Dee Dee.

02:03:16.940 What she said astonished him.

02:03:19.340 Took me a couple years, but I found Dee Dee.

02:03:21.820 And this is what Dee Dee told me.

02:03:24.560 I dated him for quite a period of time.

02:03:26.500 I liked him.

02:03:27.980 But he had a Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde personality.

02:03:32.140 In fact, he tried to kill me.

02:03:35.040 I went home one night, and Jason was mad.

02:03:37.900 I picked up Chinese food.

02:03:40.020 He threw it at me.

02:03:42.280 And I ran for my life, and he jumped on me,

02:03:44.880 and he had in his hand one of his chef's knives.

02:03:48.620 He took and pinned me there and reached down,

02:03:51.380 and I thought he was going to kill me.

02:03:53.060 But instead, I took the knife, and he cut off all my hair.

02:03:59.020 Could you imagine that shit?

02:04:00.940 Bitch, you order Chinese? 1.00

02:04:03.400 You know who the fuck I am?

02:04:05.160 You order fucking Chinese? 0.95

02:04:07.080 I'm a chef.

02:04:08.720 Who do you think you are?

02:04:11.280 I'm going to kill you.

02:04:12.480 Could you imagine that shit?

02:04:13.380 How fucking mad he got?

02:04:14.560 Chinese!

02:04:14.920 Please!

02:04:15.840 This is an insult!

02:04:17.500 Take out!

02:04:18.420 You know who I am!

02:04:20.460 I'm OJ's son!

02:04:23.920 He probably got tight.

02:04:25.140 He was like, fuck this shit.

02:04:26.920 How dare you fucking get some goddamn takeout on me, bitch? 1.00

02:04:30.520 I'm going to cut your hair now. 1.00

02:04:42.120 Dear and colleague Herman King found that Jason had a history of disturbed behavior,

02:04:48.500 which began as early as 14, when he overdosed on cocaine.

02:04:52.820 This report gets a little hairy.

02:04:54.200 Very common with these celebrity kids, man.

02:04:56.980 They're out here doing drugs, having fun, not a care in the world, who gives a shit?

02:05:01.580 Woo! 0.99

02:05:02.020 Yeah!

02:05:02.480 OJ's son!

02:05:03.280 Yeah!

02:05:03.740 Life is lit!

02:05:05.720 ...that Jason had been a heavy drinker, as well as using other drugs.

02:05:09.980 Also found that he'd been placed in a mental institution for evaluation,

02:05:14.720 and that he'd attempted suicide three times.

02:05:18.300 There's his jeep.

02:05:19.120 There's his jeep.

02:05:22.180 What's up, Jason?

02:05:22.940 One of Deer's methods is to go through people's rubbish.

02:05:27.180 After...

02:05:27.500 Shout out to the British people that call it rubbish.

02:05:30.020 Guys, the feds do this as well. 0.99

02:05:31.400 The police do this as well.

02:05:32.300 This is called the trash run.

02:05:33.460 You learn a lot about people when you go through their trash, surprisingly.

02:05:37.060 I've done trash runs plenty of times when I was an agent.

02:05:39.740 You get a lot of cool information from people, as far as, like, people that you're investigating.

02:05:44.340 After examining Jason's rubbish for some time,

02:05:47.020 he discovered that Jason was consuming a lot of alcohol,

02:05:49.620 and that he was taking a medicine called Depakote.

02:05:52.300 Depakote is usually prescribed for seizures and a condition called rage disorder,

02:05:58.080 and should never be taken with alcohol.

02:06:03.080 And after further research, they found that just six months before the murders,

02:06:08.520 Jason said that he was losing control.

02:06:10.580 And here we go.

02:06:14.360 Depakote, okay, it can treat seizures and bipolar disorder.

02:06:18.360 It also helped prevent migraine headaches, okay?

02:06:21.020 So, yeah, this guy, man, was fucking loco.

02:06:24.500 Then discovered that Jason suffered from a condition called intermittent rage disorder.

02:06:29.360 And because the murders showed signs of being rage killings,

02:06:33.700 Deer wanted to find out how someone with the condition would behave.

02:06:36.980 What it usually refers to is a person who has moments when they may tend to be very, very calm.

02:06:49.200 And then for what they may consider good reason,

02:06:53.700 they may move into a state of extreme rage and extreme kind of violence.

02:06:59.280 Frequently, that diagnosis is associated with a seizure kind of disorder.

02:07:05.240 And the medication that's usually used is one that tends to control seizure activity.

02:07:11.320 Now, two months prior to the murders of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman,

02:07:16.340 I know from a previous girlfriend that my suspect quit using his Depakote.

02:07:22.240 And the girlfriend said, why are you not taking your Depakote anymore?

02:07:28.800 And he said, the stuff is making me feel like shit.

02:07:35.000 What would you think then?

02:07:36.540 If, in fact, he has seizure activity, then he may be just a walking time bomb.

02:07:46.280 Dia then found that around the same time...

02:07:48.900 That's crazy, guys.

02:07:49.740 That's a volatile combination, man.

02:07:51.480 Alcohol, drugs, mental issues, rage.

02:07:56.580 Obviously has an anger issue.

02:07:58.580 Wanted to kill one of his girlfriends for ordering Chinese because he's a culinary chef.

02:08:02.600 It was an insult to his culinary skill.

02:08:04.040 No, I'm just kidding.

02:08:04.740 But all jokes aside, the guy has a recipe right here.

02:08:09.060 It's a concoction for destruction.

02:08:11.680 As Jason stopped taking Depakote, he'd made another attack.

02:08:15.380 This time on girlfriend Jennifer Green.

02:08:17.940 And that's the girl in the photograph that I showed you guys earlier.

02:08:21.960 Headlines.

02:08:22.600 OJ's son tries to kill girlfriend.

02:08:24.740 I couldn't believe what I was reading.

02:08:28.440 There it was, a picture of Jason, a picture of Jennifer Green, and a story where she admitted to friends that she was in fear of her life.

02:08:36.360 And that he had drug her out of a car, and actually Jason knocked her to the ground and was beating her.

02:08:45.020 Didi verified it.

02:08:46.160 Didi was there.

02:08:46.960 He had his hands around her throat and was trying to choke her to death. 0.61

02:08:52.360 Why didn't the police ever interview him?

02:08:58.200 Because they were convinced that OJ was guilty.

02:09:02.060 Which I'm not denying that OJ was guilty, but we're going to definitely do a little bit more investigating on this guy.

02:09:08.980 And I got to give the private investigator his flowers on this one because he did a damn good job of researching the son, figuring out, you know, the son's background.

02:09:18.060 And, quite frankly, the son was involved in some shit, goddammit.

02:09:23.300 I'm not.

02:09:23.880 According to the police investigation, Jason had no motive.

02:09:34.040 He was very quickly eliminated.

02:09:35.800 He had alibis.

02:09:37.680 We knew his whereabouts.

02:09:40.140 And, of course, you know, we're still looking at the ability to do the crime or the motive.

02:09:45.180 The alibi was weak.

02:09:46.780 Motive, we're going to talk about that here soon.

02:09:49.120 And those things had to fit, and he was just eliminated very quickly.

02:09:53.160 Oh, yeah, actually.

02:09:57.120 All right.

02:09:58.040 We'll go ahead into part five.

02:10:00.100 But Bill Deere disagrees.

02:10:02.480 He feels that Jason did have a possible motive.

02:10:05.020 On the night of June 12th, Nicole Simpson, Justin, Sidney, and her entire family were scheduled to arrive, not at Messaluna's, but at Jackson's Restaurant at 8908 Beverly Drive in Beverly Hills, California, for a dinner that was being prepared by Jason Simpson, OJ's son.

02:10:25.720 Oh, shit.

02:10:26.840 Oh, shit.

02:10:27.560 Oh, shit.

02:10:28.100 Oh, shit.

02:10:29.220 But she never showed up.

02:10:31.060 I wondered how it felt for a young man, because in it, the question was asked, did you ever cook for them before?

02:10:41.040 No.

02:10:41.760 You ever cook for your dad?

02:10:42.620 No.

02:10:43.640 Dad never has come to your restaurants where you work?

02:10:45.480 No.

02:10:46.380 Jason had to have been embarrassed that night, laying out preparations.

02:10:50.460 Damn.

02:10:50.880 His girls ordering Chinese takeout.

02:10:53.080 His stepmom don't want to come and eat at the restaurant until the day that she passed away.

02:10:58.180 She couldn't even make it. 0.84

02:10:59.880 OJ never goes to the restaurant.

02:11:01.840 My man is fucking tight, bro.

02:11:03.760 He's like, yo, what the fuck?

02:11:05.020 He's probably going through a rage like, get over here for 11 people to come to Jackson's restaurant and nobody's showing up.

02:11:16.040 God, that had to hurt.

02:11:19.300 And there was more.

02:11:21.140 Jason had also been accused of stalking.

02:11:23.940 He had followed ex-girlfriend Dee Dee after they had broken up.

02:11:27.920 Even when she tried to get away from him, after the time he cut off all her hair, she went to New York.

02:11:33.560 And guess who followed her?

02:11:35.260 Jason.

02:11:35.800 Jason used his father's apartment, OJ's, there in New York, to stalk her.

02:11:41.760 Nicole also had complained of a stalker. 0.97

02:11:45.100 Before she was murdered, Nicole told former police officer and family friend Ron Shipp that she thought it might have been Jason.

02:11:52.520 Well, she called me about the prowler.

02:11:53.960 She said there was two people.

02:11:54.780 That's pretty big right there.

02:11:56.120 The fact that she knew it was Jason is one of them.

02:11:58.920 People that she thought it could have been.

02:12:01.980 She said, she says, you know, she says,

02:12:04.720 I'm not sure who it was.

02:12:06.060 She says, it was either OJ or Jason.

02:12:10.460 And I'm thinking, you know, here again, I'm thinking to myself, OJ or Jason?

02:12:17.140 Yeah, like OJ.

02:12:19.740 Okay, you can see why, right?

02:12:21.100 He obviously, it's his ex-wife.

02:12:23.700 You know, he's obviously interested in her not doing some ho shit outside. 1.00

02:12:28.440 Whatever.

02:12:28.740 However, however, Jason, like, what?

02:12:33.100 Hmm.

02:12:34.260 What the fuck?

02:12:35.600 Nicole had taken Jason out to various nightclubs.

02:12:38.840 Could he have become infatuated with her?

02:12:41.880 I mean, you got this guy, she's taking him out dancing all the time and they're having a great times.

02:12:46.520 And, and, and, but yes, that's always a possibility.

02:12:53.260 And, and like I said, I'll never forget that, her saying that to me, you know, that she thought it was OJ or Jason.

02:13:00.320 Jason declined to be interviewed for this film.

02:13:07.160 I'm not fucking surprised.

02:13:10.100 Hey, yo, Jason, we're doing a documentary on you and your dad, you potentially being a murderer.

02:13:16.200 What's your thoughts on that?

02:13:17.080 Nope.

02:13:18.780 The evidence that links him to the crime is circumstantial and there is no proof of his involvement.

02:13:23.820 The police failed to examine the inconsistencies in Jason's story, but there was also another major line of inquiry that the authorities failed to follow.

02:13:39.360 Believing that Simpson was the sole suspect.

02:13:41.860 Okay, now we're about to get into some really crazy conspiracy theories here.

02:13:45.660 All right, guys.

02:13:48.680 But you know what?

02:13:52.440 We're here.

02:13:52.920 Fuck it.

02:13:54.220 Let's go ahead.

02:13:55.300 Let's go ahead and run all the, you know, all the different facts we've went through.

02:13:58.920 You know, the prosecution story went through the defensive story.

02:14:01.480 It went through the private investigator story.

02:14:04.480 Might as well go into this other potential chain of events that may have occurred as well.

02:14:09.640 Let's do it.

02:14:11.280 They also dismissed the leads provided by Nicole and Simpson's other life involving sex and drugs, which might have provided another motive for the murders.

02:14:19.960 Yes, LAPD did definitely omit this information.

02:14:23.960 This case is in the West End, West L.A. or West Hollywood.

02:14:28.820 Drug usage is like tea.

02:14:31.820 It's like coffee.

02:14:32.940 So the drug issue was there.

02:14:35.220 No question about that.

02:14:36.600 And the rage of the way the homicide took place could also lead a reasonable person to conclude that it's got to be somebody crazy to do something like that.

02:14:48.160 And, guys, keep in mind, okay, Nicole married OJ at – she met OJ at 18 and was in a relationship with him until 1985, and then they got married.

02:14:58.380 So her entire adult life, essentially, was her being with OJ in a monogamous relationship.

02:15:04.420 They didn't really start having problems until the late 90s.

02:15:06.700 So when she became single in the early 90s, right, with the divorce –

02:15:11.380 Oh, yeah!

02:15:12.740 Bam! 0.98

02:15:13.260 And not to mention that, guys, she was getting paid $10,000 a month, okay?

02:15:18.000 She had won a million-dollar settlement.

02:15:20.340 Excuse me.

02:15:20.960 No, she had won $500,000, okay, from OJ, and then she also was getting paid $10,000 a month, all right?

02:15:29.280 And I'm going to go ahead and do the numbers for y'all on that from – in 1992.

02:15:32.760 I'll go ahead and give you guys the inflation numbers on that here in a second.

02:15:35.500 But it's the equivalent to about a million dollars, a little – no, actually, you know what?

02:15:39.380 I do remember.

02:15:39.900 This is how crazy I was doing so much research on this.

02:15:42.860 So from inflation numbers, that's approximately today the purchasing power of $1,051,000 as far as the money that she was given up front. 0.99

02:15:52.680 And then on top of that, she was also given – paid $10,000 a month, okay, in 1992, which is the equivalent of about $21,000 today, okay?

02:16:03.740 So think about that.

02:16:04.900 She became a millionaire, and then on top of that, she was making almost a quarter million dollars a year passively in today's standards, okay? 0.70

02:16:13.080 So – and she had a Ferrari.

02:16:14.580 She was living life.

02:16:15.580 She had that apartment that she was living in. 0.59

02:16:17.540 She was chilling.

02:16:18.620 So she was living a very, very high-class life.

02:16:21.720 Obviously, the neighborhood that she went in in Brentwood is a high – you know, a very nice L.A. suburb, okay?

02:16:28.820 So she was able to afford this lifestyle of being able to do what she wanted, having drugs, partying, et cetera, because she essentially got paid, guys, quarter million dollars a year. 0.88

02:16:39.680 In today's standards, of course, it was about $120,000 a year.

02:16:43.340 Back then, but she was – and she had a million dollars given up front from O.J. Simpson. 0.94

02:16:49.960 That's not even counting alimony, by the way, guys.

02:16:52.080 This was just from the divorce settlement in itself.

02:16:53.880 This is not counting alimony.

02:16:54.880 I don't even know how much alimony she was getting paid. 1.00

02:16:56.480 I know $10,000 a month, a.k.a. $21,000 per month in child support, okay?

02:17:02.620 So she wasn't even working making this kind of money, all right?

02:17:05.540 During the year before her death, Nicole and her friends were moving in drug-related circles.

02:17:13.600 Mezzaluna's restaurant was widely rumored to be a place to buy drugs, and Ron Goldman was alleged to sell them.

02:17:20.880 What's more, just a year before the murders, Goldman's friend and nightclub owner, Brett Cantor, was killed in a similar savage knife attack.

02:17:28.880 And other waiters working for the Mezzaluna chain were murdered or went missing within 18 months.

02:17:35.020 The drug game is cold, guys.

02:17:44.640 That's why I tell y'all all the time, man, stay away from drugs.

02:17:49.020 I don't give a shit if you smoke weed, pop pill, whatever you do.

02:17:52.680 Lean, I don't care.

02:17:54.320 The drug game brings you around nefarious people.

02:17:57.100 Even if you're doing it recreationally, you never know the people that you're involved in, how deep they are in the game,

02:18:02.800 what kind of money they owe, what type of people they're involved in, what they may have seen, if they're snitching, whatever the hell it is.

02:18:09.160 The drug game is violent, guys.

02:18:11.860 And this is the 90s.

02:18:12.760 This is the early 90s, by the way.

02:18:14.640 In the early 90s, guys, you guys have seen me do breakdowns on documentaries on drug trafficking organizations in the 90s.

02:18:21.280 They didn't give a fuck, man.

02:18:22.900 Acts of violence were what they did, okay?

02:18:25.580 Late 80s, early 90s, the cocaine crack epidemic.

02:18:29.480 They didn't care, you know?

02:18:30.880 Now, am I going to sit here and say that Nicole Simpson was a victim of a drug trafficking organization?

02:18:35.080 I decided to come in and kill Ron Goldman, whatever.

02:18:36.880 I ain't going to go that far.

02:18:38.340 But this definitely, you know, lets you kind of know the type of life that she was living.

02:18:44.920 She was a single woman, finally free, finally single, after years of being married to a man that she deemed as controlling.

02:18:52.300 She's going to go wild, right?

02:18:53.780 She's going to have her fun.

02:18:54.640 She's going to go and do drugs. 1.00

02:18:55.680 She's going to go and do, you know, have sex with a bunch of guys, go on dates, et cetera. 1.00

02:18:59.100 But O.J. witnessed her having sex with a guy when he had went to try to get some box on one night.

02:19:04.660 You know, he admits this in his book, okay?

02:19:07.940 So, you know, obviously that admission would hurt him because it would make it look like, okay, now you have a motive to kill her.

02:19:13.780 So I don't think he's lying about that.

02:19:15.680 Simpson was also known to take cocaine.

02:19:22.620 So could his or Nicole's involvement with drugs provide an explanation for the murders?

02:19:27.700 And you guys can call me a lame, whatever.

02:19:30.440 Oh, Myron, you're so anti-drug, blah, blah, blah.

02:19:32.880 Hey, man.

02:19:33.620 Maybe it's my background from what I used to do for a living, being a former Fed or whatever.

02:19:37.560 But to me, I think drugs are whack.

02:19:39.840 I don't see a need for them as a young man trying to come up in the world.

02:19:43.620 I think it's only going to be a distraction.

02:19:45.440 You're spending money, getting drugged up, escaping reality, especially smoking weed.

02:19:49.680 It makes you lethargic.

02:19:50.600 It's an unnecessary handicap. 1.00

02:19:52.480 And for all you weirdos out there, oh, my God, when Joe Rogan smokes, Elon Musk smokes, Elon Musk does not smoke all the time.

02:19:58.920 Matter of fact, when he smoked with Joe Rogan, he ended up getting in trouble for that.

02:20:01.360 They started drug testing him all over the place because he has federally funding.

02:20:04.780 Joe Rogan, I guarantee you, as he was building up his empire, probably more than likely was not a pothead.

02:20:08.540 And if he was, congratulations.

02:20:10.540 That's an exception to the rule.

02:20:12.020 But most people that are high performers, all the millionaires that I know, including myself, none of us smoke fucking weed, okay?

02:20:17.600 None of us.

02:20:18.120 All the high performers I know, they don't go ahead and introduce some kind of chemical agent that's going to, you know, handicap them to becoming better versions of themselves.

02:20:26.740 People that are winners just don't do that shit.

02:20:28.740 Life's already hard.

02:20:29.700 Earning money's already hard.

02:20:30.580 Why the fuck are you going to do that?

02:20:31.740 Jason Capital famously came on the podcast and told me, yeah, dude, I stopped smoking weed.

02:20:35.640 I want to become a higher performer.

02:20:36.940 I stopped that shit.

02:20:38.000 So everyone I know that's super successful, guys, they don't do that shit.

02:20:41.180 All right?

02:20:41.560 You shouldn't either.

02:20:43.280 Success leaves clues, baby.

02:20:44.320 Author Donald Freed believes it may shed light on Simpson's presence at the crime scene and his strange behavior.

02:20:51.600 I think this is a drugs murder.

02:20:54.800 I think Mr. Simpson knows basically who did it.

02:20:59.140 I think his guilt is based not on what he did, but on what he did not do.

02:21:03.360 I believe he feels he may have left his children as hostages to fortune.

02:21:07.080 He says that he will never forgive himself for not having followed the advice of a friend of Miss Brown's who had said, get your ex-wife and your children out of here.

02:21:20.260 There was something wrong.

02:21:22.180 I think he hints broadly at the context of the murder.

02:21:28.100 What he does not say and what keeps him from ever clearing his name, perhaps, is that to really clear his name, he would have to speak of what he knew.

02:21:42.680 And that involves drugs and all sorts of things that perhaps are more painful, almost, than being wrongfully accused of murder.

02:21:56.440 He's on to something here.

02:21:58.100 And from this murky world of drugs, there was a major lead, which even the police wanted to investigate further.

02:22:06.600 But the district attorney's office dismissed it as pure fabrication.

02:22:13.400 Just five weeks after the murders, a story surfaced which showed that Nicole was being stalked by someone else.

02:22:22.460 Police in Newport Beach, just south of Los Angeles, sent out a press release.

02:22:27.120 It stated that they had convicted a man who had stolen the car of Simpson's then-girlfriend, Paula Barbieri.

02:22:34.560 Oh, what the hell?

02:22:36.300 Shit's about to get weird.

02:22:38.380 And they arrested the man, named Bill Waz.

02:22:41.120 They also discovered that he had a notebook detailing surveillance on Nicole.

02:22:46.720 But wait!

02:22:47.940 There's more!

02:22:48.740 So if Nicole was being stalked, could this be part of the conspiracy that led to her murder?

02:22:55.920 And we know that's fairly accurate because Nicole was in fantastic shape when she was murdered.

02:23:00.420 She would have lived a very long life had she not been brutally murdered.

02:23:03.860 She worked out a lot. 0.53

02:23:06.640 She ran every morning.

02:23:08.000 She was in the gym.

02:23:09.320 She took great care of herself.

02:23:10.480 Again, guys, she lived the single mom life. 0.90

02:23:13.380 She was getting paid, you know, in today's day and age, today's dollars, a quarter million dollars a year almost.

02:23:18.060 She was making $10,000 a month back in 1992, which is equivalent to about $21,000 today per month.

02:23:22.700 And on top of that, she got $500,000 up front from OJ, which is a million dollars today.

02:23:27.440 So effectively, this woman became a millionaire, and she was getting paid a significant amount of child support per month. 0.99

02:23:32.980 So she was set, man.

02:23:34.220 You know, she was living life.

02:23:36.400 Whoa, this is interesting.

02:23:38.180 I mean, I can remember the thrill.

02:23:39.720 The adrenaline was rushing through the entire press corps that day when all of a sudden it came out.

02:23:46.100 Somebody was stalking Nicole Brown Simpson in December, and he's in jail with a diary, and one of the reasons he's in jail is for stealing Paula Barbieri's truck.

02:23:57.660 Whoa, a lot of coincidences here, a lot of interest.

02:24:01.620 CNN raced to get the news story.

02:24:05.140 Why did they hire you to follow Nicole?

02:24:07.760 They wanted to know who she was seeing.

02:24:10.160 Who was she with me? 0.99

02:24:12.180 Who hired you?

02:24:13.820 Could you tell me?

02:24:14.800 You don't want to tell me?

02:24:15.580 I can't tell you.

02:24:17.700 That's pushing it.

02:24:19.560 You know, I have my life, too.

02:24:20.580 You know, it's not much, but it's all I got.

02:24:22.480 E-E-E-T! 0.99

02:24:23.260 The Los Angeles police took a lot of his story seriously, too.

02:24:27.660 They sent one of their most experienced murder detectives on the case to Calipatria Prison to check it out.

02:24:33.000 We flew down there and went in and talked to Mr. Waz.

02:24:42.700 My objective with Mr. Waz was twofold.

02:24:45.340 One, obviously, to get a handwriting exemplar that would certainly lock it down that he was, in fact, the one that wrote those entries, which he never denied.

02:24:57.360 And the other was just to find out what was going on.

02:25:01.500 So you have the LAPD, you know, doing good police work, you know, following up on a viable lead of a guy that potentially was stalking Nicole.

02:25:13.600 But, you know, the district attorney's office was like, no, we don't want this.

02:25:17.080 It's not sexy enough.

02:25:18.080 No, we know OJ did it, man.

02:25:19.700 And I think that's kind of one of the faults of the prosecution of OJ is that they didn't look at all the other factors.

02:25:26.300 They were so goddamn dead set on going after OJ because it was a sexier case.

02:25:30.680 Let's be honest.

02:25:31.200 You know, you got a famed football, former football star, actor, you know, a loved hero in the United States, you know, record holder, former Heisman trophy holder, you know, and you can go ahead and prosecute him.

02:25:45.320 Why the hell are you going to sit there and go after some dork at a jail or his bum ass son who's like a failed chef that, you know, can't even beat take out Chinese for his girlfriend? 0.99

02:25:55.300 Like, why are you going to pursue these leads?

02:25:57.260 No, it was OJ. He was the sole perpetrator, you know.

02:26:01.620 But, you know, as you guys can see here, we're definitely picking up some steam here and some other potential situations that could have occurred.

02:26:11.600 Bill Waz was also a cocaine dealer.

02:26:14.580 He'd been introduced to Simpson and a close friend by one of the staff in the Roxbury nightclub.

02:26:20.840 So he was selling drugs to Nicole as well.

02:26:23.540 He hooked me up with some people that wanted to buy some cocaine and then OJ came strolling over and he introduced himself as well.

02:26:33.060 Still in prison, Waz agreed to be interviewed by telephone for this film.

02:26:37.340 We exchanged numbers and they said we'd be doing business in the future and we did that from there, I guess.

02:26:42.040 I mean, they weren't habitual users, they were recreational users, maybe twice a week.

02:26:46.520 Waz said he delivered cocaine to Simpson and Nicole at the home on Rockingham Avenue.

02:26:52.720 But more importantly, Waz also says he supplied Simpson's friend.

02:26:57.820 It was this same friend who then asked him to follow Nicole and to take pictures of her with any man she'd met.

02:27:04.560 No private eye, Bill Waz thought that it would be easy money.

02:27:08.120 They asked me if I would do a little surveillance on OJ's wife, if she was cheating on him with any individual that she was at that time staying at the Rockingham address.

02:27:17.040 I picked her up there.

02:27:18.200 I followed her around for about a day and a half.

02:27:20.640 And I took some pictures of Tony Romo's up in Shura Boulevard of her kissing a black individual.

02:27:25.540 The man who I later learned was Marcus Allen.

02:27:29.100 Oh, shit.

02:27:30.320 Oh, shit.

02:27:31.040 Oh, shit.

02:27:31.480 A former friend of OJ Simpson.

02:27:33.580 Nicole's affair with American football star Marcus Allen had already caused friction.

02:27:42.060 Armed with the roles of film, Waz met Simpson's friend who can't be.

02:27:46.700 Here is Marcus Allen right here, guys.

02:27:48.880 OK, Marcus Lamar Allen is a former American football running back, analyst and actor who played in National Football League for 16 seasons, primarily with the Los Angeles Raiders.

02:27:57.180 OK, and here he is, man.

02:27:59.620 This is a former friend of OJ's.

02:28:01.620 And, yeah, he was rumored to have been sleeping with Nicole Simpson.

02:28:07.760 You know, he still to this day denies hooking up with her.

02:28:12.300 But OJ is 100 percent certain.

02:28:14.460 And I think a big reason why he's probably 100 percent certain is because this guy was probably conducting surveillance for him, you know, and rumors fly in L.A.

02:28:20.760 And Nicole was single, you know, so she was out here, you know, as the girls would say, single as a Pringle. 0.98

02:28:26.540 So what's she going to do?

02:28:27.180 She's going to hypergamy never ends, guys. 1.00

02:28:30.300 OK, no matter how much money girl has, hypergamy doesn't end. 1.00

02:28:33.380 And this guy, obviously, Nicole has a type.

02:28:36.280 This guy's an athlete.

02:28:37.080 Same bill.

02:28:37.600 Same look as OJ. 0.71

02:28:38.700 Eh, whatever.

02:28:39.940 Right.

02:28:40.740 Named for legal reasons.

02:28:42.280 Successful guy.

02:28:42.940 So I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, why he's so sure that he slept with her.

02:28:50.540 In the parking lot of McDonald's on Ventura Boulevard.

02:28:55.220 I believe I turned over the film and got the cash to him at the parking lot in Encino, McDonald's.

02:29:00.800 And 10 days after that, he invited me over to his house.

02:29:03.580 Remarkably, the friend then asked Waz to steal Simpson's girlfriend's four-wheel drive car.

02:29:11.120 Waz was told when and where to take it, even where the keys would be.

02:29:20.180 Bam.

02:29:21.300 And then also, just so you guys know, right?

02:29:26.540 Oh, shit.

02:29:27.920 Oh, here's another thing that I forgot to mention as well.

02:29:30.400 Well, so Nicole Simpson had a diary, guys, and she kept this diary because she wanted

02:29:35.560 to document all the times that OJ had attacked her, okay?

02:29:40.480 And this diary was never used by the prosecution because it would have been hearsay, okay?

02:29:47.500 Confirmed.

02:29:48.000 Nicole Brown Simpson did have an affair with OJ's best friend, Marcus Allen, and detailed 1.00

02:29:51.540 it in her diary.

02:29:53.240 And Simpson threatened to kill his wife if she saw him again one month before her death.

02:29:57.400 Nicole Brown confirms in diary entries shown during the new documentary, OJ and Made in

02:30:01.260 America, National Affair with Marcus Allen.

02:30:03.500 According to his former agent, Mike Gilbert, OJ Simpson told Nicole one month before her

02:30:07.920 murder, you ever see Marcus again and I will kill you.

02:30:10.600 And as you guys can see here, here is OJ with Marcus Allen, right?

02:30:17.700 Here they are.

02:30:18.920 Some photographs together, right?

02:30:21.480 This old photo of them being friends when they used to be friends, right?

02:30:25.240 And her, here he is right here.

02:30:27.340 I don't know if this is Nicole here.

02:30:30.000 Okay.

02:30:31.140 Care says the Marcus thing about me.

02:30:35.700 OJ says it is.

02:30:37.420 I want to shrug it off.

02:30:39.560 He says I'm terrible for it.

02:30:42.120 I wasn't married.

02:30:44.400 Should have thought of Catherine.

02:30:50.140 Man, I think that's her handwriting.

02:30:51.920 It's really tough to read.

02:30:52.860 But yeah, that comes from her, from her diary, guys.

02:30:59.960 So Marcus also denied the affair under oath while giving a deposition in Simpsons 1996 civil

02:31:05.640 trial.

02:31:06.940 So he landed under oath.

02:31:08.800 Catherine appeared to be, appeared on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills last season 0.84

02:31:12.080 and denied the affair between her ex and Nicole.

02:31:14.560 Okay.

02:31:15.200 Marcus is engaged and later married to his first wife, Catherine, around this time.

02:31:18.660 And Nicole writes that she shouldn't have thought about her.

02:31:21.140 Okay, there we go.

02:31:22.080 That's where Catherine comes from. 0.99

02:31:26.160 And here we go.

02:31:26.960 She writes in a diary that she feels beautiful and sexy and smart when she is with Marcus

02:31:31.040 and that he makes her feel special.

02:31:33.240 So he basically did what OJ didn't, right?

02:31:36.400 Okay, bam.

02:31:40.660 And that's, I think that's her right there with him.

02:31:43.120 And Nicole Brown confirms the diary that she's shown during the new documentary OJ Made in

02:31:46.460 America that she had a Pharoah Marcus.

02:31:48.560 And then OJ Simpson considered Marcus to be a protege Simpson-Allen above in 1986.

02:31:56.240 And, uh, yeah.

02:31:57.780 See, man, this is why y'all gotta, you gotta be able to get over women quickly, man. 0.97

02:32:06.960 And this is his wife, Catherine, in 1992.

02:32:10.060 Him and OJ have the same goddamn taste in women, huh? 0.98

02:32:13.520 And then here's her diary.

02:32:14.940 Nicole writes in, uh, one diary.

02:32:17.340 Entry that feels beautiful and sexy and smart when she was with Marcus as opposed to feeling

02:32:20.580 jabs when she's with Simpson.

02:32:22.220 Bam.

02:32:23.080 There you go, man.

02:32:23.960 Okay.

02:32:27.780 Here's her diary that they never put into, uh, evidence for the prosecution.

02:32:31.920 And like I said before, cause it's hearsay.

02:32:33.340 She wasn't alive to testify to it, but a law actually came out after the OJ trial guys that

02:32:40.040 allowed, um, for diaries to be used in cases like this of domestic violence.

02:32:46.920 Okay.

02:32:48.400 So that actually sets some legal precedent as well.

02:32:52.960 So, okay, let's, uh, go back here to the, to the documentary.

02:32:57.780 Shortly after stealing the car, Waz was arrested.

02:33:03.560 Hey guys, do me a favor.

02:33:04.940 Please like the video because I did a lot of research for this video.

02:33:07.580 As you guys can see, I'm bringing stuff off the top of my head from all the research that

02:33:11.320 I did.

02:33:11.640 This stuff takes a lot of time.

02:33:13.160 Um, and honestly, I do it for y'all.

02:33:15.160 This channel isn't really made to make money.

02:33:16.740 It's made to, uh, you know, grow the channel, hit a hundred K, get a plaque, flex on some

02:33:21.360 haters.

02:33:21.780 You know, I do this out of enjoyment because I really do enjoy breaking these cases down

02:33:24.840 right now.

02:33:25.480 As a matter of fact, it's seven 56 in the morning.

02:33:27.960 I still haven't slept and we've been going now for about two and a half hours, man.

02:33:32.120 So, but I do it for the love of the game guys.

02:33:34.160 Do me a favor.

02:33:34.920 Just like the video.

02:33:35.840 I did a broadcast earlier.

02:33:37.160 Check that out with the Trump, uh, a search warrant breakdown with my boy, legal mindset,

02:33:42.040 AKA Andrew Esquire.

02:33:43.360 And, uh, you know, we just keep on steaming along, baby.

02:33:47.360 ...rested and jailed for 20 years for a series of armed robberies, but clearly he knew more

02:33:53.560 about the operation.

02:33:55.180 After getting the basic details, detective Bert Looper wanted to know who'd hired him.

02:34:00.520 I asked him, well, you know, who are these people?

02:34:02.840 Are they friends of OJ or, you know, well, they're friends.

02:34:05.840 They're close to OJ.

02:34:07.500 And then he starts asking me some questions.

02:34:11.020 Was asked detective Looper, how much he knew about this particular friend of Simpson's.

02:34:16.580 Well, maybe you should look into his background.

02:34:20.720 Uh, maybe you should be looking into his friends.

02:34:24.820 Well, if you're listening to what he's telling you, then the connection back to OJ is there.

02:34:31.960 All right.

02:34:32.780 So why would OJ...

02:34:34.840 That guy has an epic mustache, by the way.

02:34:36.820 They want to follow Nicole.

02:34:39.180 And why would OJ's friend hire this dope dealing drug addict to do it?

02:34:44.980 So with this information, I go back to the police department and I said, look, Tom, this guy's

02:34:56.860 righteous.

02:34:57.360 He's telling me the truth.

02:34:58.960 He admits to writing this stuff.

02:35:01.120 We got the handwriting exemplar that solidifies that.

02:35:05.220 This is way before the murder occurred.

02:35:08.560 I think this guy can lead us to a contract killing and we can go after more than one person here.

02:35:18.000 And I don't remember if it was Phil or Tom and said, hey, they're not going to follow it up.

02:35:22.240 Forget it.

02:35:22.640 That's coming from the DA's office.

02:35:24.760 That isn't coming from two investigators who know that this is a good clue or a good direction to follow.

02:35:31.860 For the prosecution, Waz's story didn't fit with the notion of Simpson as the jealous husband and lone killer.

02:35:37.900 Just two months after the murders and before the court case had even begun, the investigation was dropped.

02:35:45.520 Bam.

02:35:47.560 Not sexy enough, guys.

02:35:48.860 I told you before, man, a lot of these, you know, prosecutorial offices, the clout chasers, man.

02:35:53.960 Hey, what's the better?

02:35:55.620 You know, and that's a big fuck up on the state.

02:35:58.240 You know, this is they shouldn't have done that.

02:36:00.440 You know, but they were they had a hard on for OJ.

02:36:02.800 While we're all running around trying to get some answers to this, we're told by both sides.

02:36:06.960 Ah, another one of those cranks.

02:36:09.640 Guys, don't worry about it.

02:36:10.900 That notebook was made up in prison.

02:36:12.500 It's a forgery.

02:36:13.420 It's a fake.

02:36:14.240 Forget about it.

02:36:14.960 Go on.

02:36:15.660 So.

02:36:17.120 And I'm ashamed to say I was one of the press.

02:36:20.360 I was one of the people at the middle of the press corps at that time.

02:36:23.580 And because we had so many things like coming and going like that, I'm embarrassed to say I believe them.

02:36:29.580 Since both sides put it out so categorically.

02:36:32.260 And it made sense.

02:36:33.720 Another criminal trying to make money off of the OJ Simpson case.

02:36:36.960 But four years later, Joe Bosco discovered that the Waz notebook was not a forgery as he had been told.

02:36:44.640 Oh.

02:36:45.060 He then tracked Waz down to interview him.

02:36:47.920 Still in prison, Waz told him the full story.

02:36:51.220 Here we go.

02:36:52.200 Waz explained that 10 days after handing over the photographs, he had been asked by Simpson's same friend to a meeting for a new assignment.

02:37:04.260 It was ventilating rage and how much she caused OJ, how she talked too much about business ventures, her sleeping with a lot of his friends. 0.96

02:37:15.120 It would be safe to say that she kind of pushed the envelope a little bit there.

02:37:18.540 But tonight, he also reveals that Simpson's friend then hired him as a hitman to kill Nicole.

02:37:26.500 Basically made the proposition, asked him to want me to take a certain gun, which he had, which I did not take.

02:37:33.040 Asked him if I would do her for, you know, get rid of her for 15 grand.

02:37:36.460 And I semi accepted the responsibility to do the deed.

02:37:38.980 15K.

02:37:40.300 But Waz suspected that if he killed Nicole, he would be set up as the fall guy.

02:37:44.720 I believe that they'd have had me done the deed, either A, framed me for it, or B, killed me on the spot and placed me as kind of a psycho stalker of OJ's women or something.

02:37:54.440 Just so you guys know, $15,000 in 1994 is equivalent in the purchasing power to about $29,987 as of today.

02:38:02.180 So he would have gotten paid about $30,000 to do this hit in today's dollars.

02:38:05.700 Who knows?

02:38:06.580 Damn inflation is a bitch, isn't it?

02:38:07.880 I already saw that coming, sort of.

02:38:09.860 So that's why I never even contended to do the deed.

02:38:14.720 Bosco then approached Bill Hodgman, the Director of Special Operations in the District Attorney's Office, who had worked on the case.

02:38:25.500 And I said, Bill, you remember the Waz story? 0.99

02:38:28.960 Is it worth following up on?

02:38:30.380 Is it worth my time?

02:38:31.920 And Bill Hodgman said something I'll never forget.

02:38:34.660 He said, Joseph, if they gave me a paid leave of absence, I would do nothing but work the Waz angle. 0.97

02:38:44.720 I believe that's where this crime would have been and can be broken.

02:38:52.320 Bosco then brought in a former senior prosecutor to act as Waz's lawyer, who needed to be convinced of his client's story.

02:38:59.140 I wanted to really get inside of his mind.

02:39:03.560 He's a very awesome, intimidating individual.

02:39:06.400 And I wanted to look him in the eye, so to speak, and see what's in it for you.

02:39:12.000 And this is very important.

02:39:13.820 When you deal with criminals, you've got to go ahead and figure out what the hell is this guy's motive here.

02:39:18.700 And I think this is a very important breakdown here of figuring out what the fuck was this guy's intention.

02:39:24.480 And you guys are going to see.

02:39:25.640 There's a high likelihood he was honest to some degree here.

02:39:30.720 Let's break it down.

02:39:32.680 With something in it for him, then maybe I'd have had a different read on it.

02:39:36.020 But when a guy gives you this kind of evidence, lays himself out, is threatened.

02:39:42.300 See, now he's going to be known as a snitch, right?

02:39:45.140 Snitch is not what you want to be in Calipatria.

02:39:48.060 And he was on level four, which is with the bad of the baddest, okay?

02:39:53.400 Those were the highest killers in prison.

02:39:56.060 That's where he was stationed.

02:39:57.420 So you don't want to be laying yourself out unless you get something.

02:40:03.080 And he wanted nothing.

02:40:04.900 I said, well, what do you want to do this for?

02:40:06.220 It was almost like, I hate to say it, he was an honorable crook.

02:40:11.200 Bill Hodgman in the district attorney's office was impressed by the evidence backing up Wasi's story.

02:40:16.860 He asked Bert Looper, the detective who had investigated the case first time round, to work with Bosco.

02:40:25.360 They began to look into Simpson's friend.

02:40:28.620 As you guys can see, there was no benefit to him doing this shit.

02:40:32.880 If anything, it's just a liability.

02:40:34.280 He ain't getting paid or nothing like that.

02:40:35.560 He's in prison.

02:40:36.840 Looper and Bosco discovered that the friend had connections to other illegal activities.

02:40:42.220 They found that Nicole may have become indiscreet about these criminal enterprises. 0.99

02:40:46.860 And that she might have been killed to keep her quiet.

02:40:50.540 But a new LAPD investigation of the Simpson case was not a popular move.

02:40:56.420 It was shut down.

02:40:58.200 And you're going to see why here for a second.

02:41:00.420 When you get into embarrassing the department or hurting or tarnishing the image of the Los Angeles Police Department,

02:41:08.800 as the O.J. Simpson case did do.

02:41:12.720 And remember, guys, this is four years later, them doing the WISE investigation.

02:41:16.840 This is four years after the fact.

02:41:19.640 It embarrassed the investigative branch of the Los Angeles Police Department.

02:41:25.780 Bottom line.

02:41:28.360 Facts.

02:41:28.840 They don't want that again.

02:41:30.360 Facts.

02:41:30.720 Because now they've got to deal with the same issues again.

02:41:34.360 They just don't want to know.

02:41:35.860 They don't want to know what really happened.

02:41:38.040 That's the best way I can put it.

02:41:39.720 That was a black eye on not only the law, you know, the Los Angeles Police Department.

02:41:43.820 It was also a black eye on the prosecutor's office, the, you know, the assistant district attorney's office.

02:41:49.820 So it's an L all around.

02:41:52.060 So they're like, we already lost the trial.

02:41:55.340 We lost our prime suspect.

02:41:56.460 Even if we were able to find evidence that links O.J. Simpson to this murder, we can't try him again under double jeopardy.

02:42:02.160 So this is a loss for us.

02:42:03.560 Why are we going to go ahead and do this?

02:42:05.060 We're not going to fuck that.

02:42:06.280 This is a black eye.

02:42:07.500 We're going to just leave this, you know, leave this thing in the grave.

02:42:11.220 You know, we don't we're not going to, you know, revitalize this black eye for us.

02:42:16.220 I would have loved to have heard, you know, about Woz when it happened.

02:42:22.500 I would have loved to have seen what was the reason why you guys don't want to follow his lead.

02:42:27.500 Can't hurt you.

02:42:32.280 In my view, that investigation should have proceeded onward.

02:42:37.400 If you go after these people and you have a solid case and you're working with a solid foundation and you're and you're doing the right things.

02:42:44.720 Who cares if you get embarrassed?

02:42:47.780 I mean, you know, is your job the truth or is it your image?

02:42:52.120 Facts.

02:42:52.560 But for them, it's going to be the image, man.

02:42:54.300 This was a huge case and they lost on one of the biggest stages of all time.

02:42:58.220 So they're definitely going to give that a big.

02:43:00.200 Nope.

02:43:00.540 We're good.

02:43:01.000 We don't want to do that.

02:43:04.380 The district attorney's office refused to take part in this film.

02:43:08.200 They closed down the Woz investigation twice, despite evidence of a plot against Nicole.

02:43:13.540 Nope.

02:43:14.460 Exactly.

02:43:15.080 They failed to investigate Jason Simpson's alibi.

02:43:18.120 They failed to compare Jason's fingerprints with the nine unidentified prints found at the murder scene.

02:43:23.600 Oh, shit.

02:43:25.740 Hmm.

02:43:27.940 And in a last and...

02:43:29.300 Nine unidentified fingerprints at the crime scene.

02:43:32.320 Final twist.

02:43:33.600 They have also failed to follow up a forgotten clue from Ron Goldman's shirt,

02:43:37.600 which one of the original trial consultants believes could shed light on the killer.

02:43:43.540 There's two patterns that are very significant and quite remarkable on the back of his shirt.

02:43:49.200 And those are grab patterns.

02:43:50.700 Bloody grab patterns, meaning that the hand of someone else, not himself, because...

02:43:53.980 And this is from the prosecution, by the way.

02:43:55.960 ...would be impossible.

02:43:57.080 That have grabbed and twisted the back of his shirt in the mid-back and on the upper left shoulder.

02:44:03.600 Using new scientific techniques, Rod Englert believes that these grab patterns could still identify the killer once and for all.

02:44:13.000 In the last two years, there has been a process of getting fingerprints off of cloth with blood as the medium.

02:44:19.800 And, yes, this shirt has the possibility of now, even today, even though it's been handled, but I don't think it'll ever be done.

02:44:28.280 This case is closed.

02:44:29.360 New evidence.

02:44:30.320 Nobody wants to talk about this anymore.

02:44:32.240 Yep.

02:44:33.160 A lot of things have happened.

02:44:34.540 There's a lot of water under the bridge.

02:44:37.100 And the jury has already spoken.

02:44:39.040 And most importantly, they can't get their star suspect in jail anymore, O.J. Simpson, because of Double Jeopardy.

02:44:47.460 So the prosecution's office is looking at it like, bro, fuck this.

02:44:51.460 We're good.

02:44:52.320 We're not going to deal with this anymore.

02:44:53.800 We're just going to go ahead and take the L and move on.

02:44:58.160 Turn into Goku and this bitch. 1.00

02:45:00.280 And get out of here and focus on gangs and some other stuff in L.A.

02:45:04.100 Is it possible that the case could be reopened?

02:45:07.540 It's clear from the new leads revealed tonight that a new investigation may be able to solve the crime.

02:45:15.120 With accusations of corruption within the Los Angeles police forcing the reopening of hundreds of other cases,

02:45:22.000 the truth about the deaths of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman could still be told.

02:45:33.200 Bam.

02:45:33.920 All right.

02:45:34.260 Now, guys, we're going to go ahead and break down a portion from O.J. Simpson actually speaking.

02:45:42.380 Actually, you know what?

02:45:42.900 Let's go ahead and take a trip down memory lane here.

02:45:47.560 Hey, guys.

02:45:47.920 Welcome back to a new video.

02:45:49.760 Today, we're in Brentwood, California at the site of the O.J. Simpson murders.

02:45:54.280 Now, if you believe that O.J. did it, this is where it happened.

02:45:59.460 If you don't believe that, nobody knows for sure.

02:46:02.360 Now, this garage door on the left was Nicole Brown Simpson's. 0.99

02:46:05.540 And the gate right next to it is where supposedly O.J. went through and killed both Nicole and Ron Goldman at the far end up by up by the front of Bundy Drive.

02:46:17.840 Now, this is 875 Bundy Drive, or it was when the murders happened, but now it's 879 Bundy Drive just to kind of keep people from coming and visiting this location.

02:46:29.800 All right.

02:46:29.940 Because there was a bunch of people going back and forth trying to check that place out.

02:46:33.600 Now, let's go to the second.

02:46:35.600 Actually, hold on.

02:46:36.620 He's going to go to the front of the house now.

02:46:38.060 Now, O.J. Simpson and Nicole had a pretty rocky relationship towards the end, but they were both active in their kids' lives.

02:46:47.800 But up here, just around the corner is the right-hand side.

02:46:51.020 It's the first one here closest to the road.

02:46:52.440 So they completely changed it.

02:46:54.120 But this is not the original doorway.

02:46:56.720 The original doorway was just to the right of this, and I'll show you that in a couple minutes.

02:47:01.820 So this is, a lot of people mistake that as being the original.

02:47:04.280 This is the original building, but you're going to see here in a second.

02:47:08.060 Now, this is the original walkway, and Nicole was found just on the other side of this mesh fence here.

02:47:15.800 Now, this whole walkway was torn up and taken out, and the new walkway, as you saw, was to the left of this now.

02:47:23.700 But this was the walkway that was here.

02:47:26.160 I don't think any of it is still original, although the stairs right there could be.

02:47:30.640 But this is, this was the crime scene right here.

02:47:33.920 Now, if you notice on the very left side of the photo, the palm tree that the crime scene ribbon tape is tied to is just to the left of the walkway here.

02:47:44.560 That tree is still there.

02:47:47.080 This is today.

02:47:49.520 And that's the same tree.

02:47:51.500 So that point...

02:47:51.840 You're going to use that same reference, and this hole right here as well.

02:47:54.900 So it's the walkway just to the right of that tree where there is no walkway anymore.

02:47:59.820 And this little slab.

02:48:02.480 Now, in this picture, if you look to the bottom of the screen just in front of the police car, the cemento, it's still right here.

02:48:09.320 Bam.

02:48:09.860 Same slab.

02:48:10.040 So as you see from these pictures, the original crime location, the walkway, was just to the right of this palm tree and just to the left of the drain down here.

02:48:23.300 Bam.

02:48:23.700 So it's obviously not in the same location.

02:48:26.360 A lot of people seem to think that it's still the current walkway that's in there if you walk by, but it's been torn up for a while now.

02:48:37.900 Now, this is what it looks like now.

02:48:39.660 It's just to the left of this white door here.

02:48:44.520 So you really can't see anything at all from where it actually was.

02:48:47.760 Yeah.

02:48:48.000 At least not from the outside.

02:48:49.720 Now, here's the mezzaluna.

02:48:51.020 Now, here's the other part of this.

02:48:52.760 The last place that Nicole Simpson was before she went home was Mezzaluna Restaurant. 0.98

02:48:59.420 This used to be Mezzaluna Restaurant.

02:49:01.980 And obviously, it is no more because this is L.A. and everything gets torn down or goes out at some point.

02:49:07.900 But this is where she had her last meal.

02:49:10.560 She dropped her glasses inside.

02:49:12.840 Her friend Ron Goldman was a waiter here.

02:49:15.520 He picked up the glasses and brought them back to Nicole's apartment after his shift ended.

02:49:20.900 And had she not lost her glasses here, maybe Ron Goldman still would be alive today.

02:49:29.460 We don't know.

02:49:30.480 But this was the old site of the Mezzaluna Restaurant, which was walking distance to Nicole's condo.

02:49:36.960 Now, for the final.

02:49:42.700 Yeah.

02:49:43.500 And this is where Ron Goldman lived, which was very close to her.

02:49:46.460 OK, so now that we got an idea, now this is going to make more sense, guys, from O.J. Simpson.

02:49:53.720 And he's going to talk about.

02:49:56.980 He's going to actually talk about the murder here.

02:49:59.400 And this is an interview he did back from 2006.

02:50:02.500 First and only time he ever talked about the murders to promote his book, If I Did It, which is hilarious,

02:50:09.040 where he actually talks about a hypothetical in where he, you know, if he actually did it, how it would have went,

02:50:16.900 which is actually very telling.

02:50:18.120 I consider this more of a confession and answer some, you know, longstanding questions as to how this guy actually pulled this shit off.

02:50:25.760 So let's get into it, man.

02:50:28.020 From his own mouth.

02:50:30.440 Pause.

02:50:31.500 O.J. Simpson never took the stand at his criminal trial.

02:50:35.240 Well, for obvious reasons.

02:50:36.260 I mean, that would be stupid.

02:50:37.560 No defense attorney, especially the dream team that he had, would be dumb enough to put their client on the stand.

02:50:43.600 And has never given an interview about his actions on the night of the murders.

02:50:47.540 That is, until now.

02:50:50.240 Listen closely for the next six uninterrupted minutes.

02:50:53.740 Here we go.

02:50:55.960 O.J. puts himself hypothetically at the scene of the crime.

02:51:00.960 The chapter, chapter six, is called The Night in Question.

02:51:05.540 And you write in the book, now picture this and keep in mind that this is hypothetical.

02:51:09.820 Hypothetical.

02:51:10.480 Hypothetical.

02:51:10.880 Why don't you tell me what might have happened on the night of June 12th, 1994?

02:51:16.680 And let's just walk through the night.

02:51:18.300 Well, first of all, this is very difficult for me to do this.

02:51:21.620 It's very difficult for me because it's hypothetical.

02:51:24.840 I know and I accept the fact that people are going to feel whatever way they're going to feel.

02:51:28.780 You know, they're going to, you know, some, whatever, whatever they want to feel.

02:51:37.220 In the book, the hypothetical is.

02:51:40.080 Charlie.

02:51:40.900 Charlie.

02:51:41.160 Charlie.

02:51:41.600 Charlie.

02:51:41.640 Charlie.

02:51:41.680 Charlie.

02:51:41.720 Charlie.

02:51:43.720 This guy, Charlie, shows up, the guy who I've recently become friends with, and I don't

02:51:50.400 know why he had been by Nicole's house, but it told me you wouldn't believe what's going

02:51:54.960 on over there.

02:51:56.400 And I remember thinking, well, whatever's going on over there has got to stop, right?

02:52:01.520 So we kind of hooked up together and, you know, I'm kind of broad stroking this.

02:52:07.780 We go over, get into Bronco and go over.

02:52:10.600 Let's just go back and do the details.

02:52:12.560 Where did you park?

02:52:13.160 I'm going to do the details.

02:52:15.120 You park in the.

02:52:16.100 In the hypothetical, in the alley.

02:52:17.860 You park in the alley.

02:52:19.000 Yeah.

02:52:20.120 And you put on a wool cap and gloves.

02:52:26.620 In the hypothetical, I put on a cap and gloves.

02:52:29.460 Right.

02:52:29.620 And you reach.

02:52:33.380 Which is a little off because we know that his hairs did not match what was in the cap.

02:52:37.860 We'll continue.

02:52:38.960 You reached under the seat for.

02:52:41.760 A knife.

02:52:43.040 I always kept a knife in the car for the crazies and stuff because you can't travel with a gun.

02:52:48.600 And I remember Charlie saying, you ain't bringing that.

02:52:50.660 Gotta love LA, huh?

02:52:51.960 I didn't.

02:52:52.720 Right.

02:52:53.440 But I believe he took it.

02:52:55.740 Charlie took the knife.

02:52:56.680 Yeah.

02:52:57.520 In the book.

02:52:58.520 Yeah.

02:52:58.940 Yes.

02:52:59.220 So, the back gate, you go through the back gate.

02:53:03.880 Yes.

02:53:04.820 And it was open or broken or?

02:53:08.000 I don't recall.

02:53:09.320 Okay.

02:53:10.000 And the back gate, guys, is what I showed y'all earlier in the other video right here.

02:53:15.820 Okay.

02:53:16.420 This is the back gate right here, guys, where he entered in.

02:53:23.420 All right.

02:53:24.020 And get this out of the front and I'm looking to see what's going on.

02:53:34.120 And I can see that it appears that Nicole had candles all the time.

02:53:42.200 She really did to keep her overhead down, I think.

02:53:44.400 And music was on.

02:53:45.860 And while I was there, a guy shows up.

02:53:48.320 And while I was there, a guy shows up.

02:53:49.320 So, Ron Goldman comes in the back gate.

02:53:51.600 Yeah.

02:53:52.200 A guy I really didn't recognize.

02:53:53.880 I may have seen him around, but I really didn't recognize him to be anyone.

02:53:58.560 And in the mood I was in, I started having words with him.

02:54:04.160 He says to you, I just came by to return a pair of glasses.

02:54:07.220 Judy left them at the restaurant.

02:54:09.160 Yeah, words to that effect.

02:54:10.480 Yes.

02:54:11.060 And?

02:54:12.360 And Judy is Nicole's mother.

02:54:14.980 And I don't know if I bleeded or didn't bleeded.

02:54:17.880 It was pretty much immaterial because, you know, I was more concerned about everything that, everything that was going on, you know, and was fed up with it, I guess.

02:54:29.840 And you get into a fight.

02:54:31.420 Nicole comes out.

02:54:32.720 A verbal fight.

02:54:33.380 A verbal fight.

02:54:34.920 Got a little loud.

02:54:35.660 And by that time, Nicole had come out.

02:54:40.800 And we started having words about who is this guy?

02:54:43.740 Why is he here?

02:54:44.700 What's going on?

02:54:45.940 And she says, this is my house.

02:54:47.120 Get the F out of here.

02:54:48.920 Yes.

02:54:49.520 And which I didn't like because, once again, this is the same person.

02:54:54.440 And if you read the book, you'll see some things that happened in the two weeks leading up to this that were very, very irritating.

02:55:02.160 And just so you guys know, just to give you guys full perspective on what's going on here.

02:55:06.840 At the recital, okay, prior to the recital, a lot of people don't know this.

02:55:10.980 More inside information for y'all.

02:55:12.160 So, please like the goddamn video because a lot of people aren't going to talk about this.

02:55:15.120 All right?

02:55:16.960 OJ, prior to, on the day of the murder, OJ was golfing with friends.

02:55:22.040 And Nicole was getting, you know, some flowers and getting some stuff, right, for the recital for their daughter.

02:55:30.280 Right?

02:55:30.920 And prior to the recital, OJ and Nicole had an explosive argument on the phone.

02:55:38.720 And in this argument, OJ had told her that he was going to report her to the IRS for undeclared money that she had earned through the divorce and everything else.

02:55:52.220 You know, it was obviously a messy divorce.

02:55:54.220 He had given her a substantial amount of money, as I described to you guys earlier, about a million dollars in today's dollars to include $20,000 a month.

02:56:02.600 Okay?

02:56:03.020 That was back in 1992 when they originally divorced.

02:56:06.540 It was about, it was $10,000 a month along with a $500,000 upfront settlement.

02:56:12.460 Okay?

02:56:13.520 So, he was threatening to report it to the IRS.

02:56:16.440 This obviously got her hot. 0.90

02:56:17.960 She's an unemployed woman. 1.00

02:56:19.180 Doesn't really have any means of income.

02:56:20.620 Doesn't have any skills.

02:56:22.220 Okay?

02:56:22.660 Remember, she married OJ when she was 18 and was 100% dependent upon him.

02:56:26.360 So, they had a very, very, you know, toxic argument about this.

02:56:32.600 On the phone.

02:56:33.540 So, when they show up to the recital and see each other, he sees the way she's dressed.

02:56:37.520 He doesn't like that.

02:56:38.660 It pisses him off.

02:56:40.180 Instigates a little bit more anger.

02:56:42.000 So, there was, on this day, guys, there was some arguments, right?

02:56:46.020 And this isn't really commonly talked about.

02:56:48.440 You know, I think Charlie had followed this guy in.

02:56:52.960 Wanted to make sure it was no problem.

02:56:55.040 And he brought the knife.

02:56:57.100 As things got heated, I just remember the coal fell.

02:57:02.600 And hurt herself.

02:57:05.020 And...

02:57:05.460 You mean Charlie hit her upside the head a couple of times.

02:57:09.340 Extremely hard.

02:57:11.280 This guy kind of got into a karate thing.

02:57:14.920 And we're going to talk about who we think Charlie is here soon.

02:57:18.360 Well, you think you can kick my ass?

02:57:19.980 And I remember I grabbed...

02:57:20.980 He gets into a karate thing.

02:57:22.620 Okay.

02:57:23.100 Self-defense, obviously.

02:57:24.420 The knife.

02:57:25.120 I do remember that portion.

02:57:26.960 Taking the knife from Charlie.

02:57:28.500 And to be honest, after that, I don't remember.

02:57:31.840 Except I'm standing there and there's all kind of stuff around.

02:57:36.080 And...

02:57:36.760 I don't remember.

02:57:37.900 There's all kind of stuff around.

02:57:39.100 This guy.

02:57:39.920 Stupid.

02:57:40.280 What kind of stuff?

02:57:44.660 Blood and stuff around.

02:57:45.960 I hate to say this, but this is hard.

02:57:49.160 But that's what I'm talking about.

02:57:50.300 I'm sorry.

02:57:50.980 I know we got to back up again.

02:57:53.380 That's okay.

02:57:54.180 I want to back up.

02:57:54.820 This is hard.

02:57:55.320 This is hard.

02:57:56.120 I know.

02:57:56.420 I want to back up.

02:57:57.280 Look at how he's laughing about the situation.

02:57:59.000 Crazy, bro.

02:57:59.780 Crazy, crazy, craziness, man.

02:58:01.620 I know.

02:58:01.900 I know.

02:58:05.180 I know.

02:58:05.880 You wrote in the book,

02:58:06.980 I had never seen so much blood in my life.

02:58:09.060 Yeah.

02:58:10.280 Covered.

02:58:13.700 You're covered.

02:58:14.440 The scene.

02:58:15.420 Can you describe it?

02:58:16.920 It's hard for me to describe it.

02:58:18.560 I'm telling you.

02:58:19.320 I don't think any two people could be...

02:58:21.620 heard it the way they were

02:58:24.520 without everybody being covered in blood.

02:58:27.180 And, of course,

02:58:27.840 I think we've all seen the grisly pictures after.

02:58:30.740 So, yeah.

02:58:31.360 I think everything was covered.

02:58:32.560 Would have been covered in blood.

02:58:33.520 And what goes through your mind at a time like that?

02:58:42.060 I don't know.

02:58:42.980 It's like, what happened?

02:58:45.060 Right.

02:58:47.460 You write about removing a glove

02:58:49.940 before taking the knife from Charlie.

02:58:52.480 You know, I had no conscious memory of doing that,

02:58:58.060 but obviously I must have

02:58:59.520 because they found a glove there.

02:59:02.360 And blacking out.

02:59:04.100 Have you ever blacked out before?

02:59:06.020 Not to my knowledge.

02:59:07.320 No.

02:59:07.700 No.

02:59:08.100 Of course,

02:59:08.920 of course,

02:59:09.700 if something like this would take place

02:59:11.100 in anybody's life,

02:59:12.240 if it were to happen,

02:59:13.100 I would imagine

02:59:13.800 it's something

02:59:14.800 that you would probably automatically

02:59:16.500 have trouble

02:59:17.900 wrapping your mind around it.

02:59:22.700 It was horrible.

02:59:24.240 It was absolutely horrible.

02:59:29.540 Crazy.

02:59:30.420 Crazy, crazy.

02:59:31.800 Here's the interviewer.

02:59:33.500 Here's one of the prosecutors,

02:59:34.880 Chris Darden,

02:59:35.480 that was involved in it.

02:59:36.640 And this is an FBI profiler right here

02:59:38.480 on body language

02:59:40.100 and criminal mindset.

02:59:43.120 First thoughts.

02:59:44.840 Eve,

02:59:45.560 it's hard.

02:59:46.800 Oh, and this is one of Nicole's friends.

02:59:49.180 For you to even breathe,

02:59:50.780 I've been watching you

02:59:51.600 as you watch this.

02:59:53.360 I have nothing to say about this.

02:59:58.860 Absolutely nothing.

03:00:01.660 Chris.

03:00:05.680 Well.

03:00:10.100 I think he's confessed to murder.

03:00:14.520 I think he's confessed to murder.

03:00:17.480 And

03:00:17.920 if I had known he said this in 2006,

03:00:24.520 I would not have objected

03:00:26.600 to the release of this video.

03:00:29.160 Yeah, so this video

03:00:30.600 didn't get released, guys,

03:00:31.520 until years later.

03:00:34.980 And, you know,

03:00:36.000 because obviously

03:00:36.920 they objected to it.

03:00:37.800 They didn't want him to profit

03:00:38.600 off of the death of Nicole.

03:00:40.100 So it was never actually released.

03:00:41.760 And this is the first time.

03:00:42.720 So this is

03:00:43.440 several years later

03:00:45.300 after the fact.

03:00:45.980 I don't think that

03:00:48.900 there's any question

03:00:51.060 of his involvement

03:00:51.900 and

03:00:52.240 and that he is the person

03:00:55.240 who is wielding the knife.

03:00:57.040 I mean,

03:00:57.440 he may try and describe it

03:00:59.120 as a hypothetical,

03:00:59.920 but of course

03:01:00.860 it becomes I.

03:01:02.840 I did this.

03:01:04.000 I felt this.

03:01:05.340 I saw this.

03:01:07.980 And they can't prosecute him.

03:01:09.640 Double jeopardy

03:01:10.220 United States,

03:01:10.820 my friends.

03:01:11.700 Once you're

03:01:12.300 acquitted of a crime,

03:01:13.340 can't come back after you

03:01:15.380 for the same crime.

03:01:17.520 This notion of Charlie.

03:01:19.820 I think Charlie is OJ. 0.68

03:01:22.080 This is no hypothetical.

03:01:23.760 This is reality.

03:01:25.900 Judith,

03:01:26.360 who the heck is Charlie?

03:01:28.140 I don't know who Charlie is.

03:01:29.880 I wanted

03:01:30.660 No, she aged fantastically.

03:01:32.840 The wall

03:01:33.440 takes no prisoners, guys.

03:01:38.140 To talk

03:01:40.880 for me to start

03:01:43.160 interrogating him

03:01:44.240 and pushing him.

03:01:45.920 I felt

03:01:46.780 he would get

03:01:47.360 more agitated

03:01:48.220 and he kept threatening

03:01:49.180 to leave

03:01:49.980 and not to finish

03:01:51.260 the interview

03:01:52.320 and I really wanted him

03:01:53.960 to stay.

03:01:56.480 And that was a good move

03:01:57.460 on her part.

03:01:58.500 Let's listen again

03:01:59.280 to this disturbing portion

03:02:01.540 of the interview.

03:02:03.400 I remember

03:02:03.800 I grabbed a knife.

03:02:05.160 I do remember

03:02:06.140 that portion,

03:02:06.800 taking a knife

03:02:07.360 from Charlie

03:02:07.860 and to be honest,

03:02:09.920 after that,

03:02:10.520 I don't remember

03:02:11.080 except I'm standing there

03:02:13.000 and there's all kind

03:02:13.840 of stuff around

03:02:15.520 and

03:02:15.920 What kind of stuff?

03:02:20.360 Blood and stuff around.

03:02:21.760 You know,

03:02:21.840 we, you know.

03:02:23.040 I think,

03:02:24.980 and Eve,

03:02:25.440 I'm sorry,

03:02:26.260 but I do want

03:02:27.540 to go through

03:02:28.320 what the coroner

03:02:29.180 says happened

03:02:29.920 because I think

03:02:31.860 it's important

03:02:32.440 to understand

03:02:34.160 the specific details.

03:02:35.480 It was not

03:02:36.460 as he describes

03:02:38.660 exactly.

03:02:40.340 Yeah,

03:02:40.820 he's admitting

03:02:41.260 a lot of details here,

03:02:42.380 but there's a reason

03:02:43.400 why he did this,

03:02:44.620 guys,

03:02:44.880 and we'll talk

03:02:45.520 about that here

03:02:45.980 in a second.

03:02:47.080 Also,

03:02:47.760 real quick,

03:02:48.480 I think this is

03:02:49.480 a very important

03:02:50.220 moment in the trial

03:02:51.660 speaking of gloves

03:02:52.580 and this again

03:02:54.480 is going to lead

03:02:55.340 to my theory

03:02:56.300 that I'm going

03:02:57.500 to bring you guys,

03:02:58.160 but it's very obvious

03:02:59.160 that OJ did not do

03:03:00.080 this by himself.

03:03:00.760 He even admits it.

03:03:02.680 As you guys can see,

03:03:03.640 this is the famous

03:03:04.400 glove test

03:03:05.900 that Christopher Darden

03:03:07.020 himself,

03:03:08.240 this prosecutor

03:03:08.800 right here,

03:03:10.520 probably one of the

03:03:12.040 biggest mistakes

03:03:12.620 he ever made

03:03:13.080 in his prosecutorial

03:03:13.860 career,

03:03:15.140 allowing OJ Simpson

03:03:17.060 to test the gloves on

03:03:18.220 and Shapiro

03:03:19.300 was very smart

03:03:19.940 because Shapiro

03:03:20.620 had put his hands

03:03:21.400 in it and knew

03:03:21.920 that his hands

03:03:22.720 couldn't fit in it

03:03:24.160 or barely fit in it

03:03:25.780 and his hands

03:03:26.360 were a lot smaller

03:03:26.960 than OJ's 0.86

03:03:27.540 and on top of that,

03:03:28.220 OJ also suffers

03:03:28.980 from arthritis,

03:03:29.740 guys,

03:03:30.180 which makes his hands

03:03:31.000 swell up every now

03:03:32.940 and then.

03:03:33.520 So he knew

03:03:34.200 that OJ's hands

03:03:35.600 would have fit in it

03:03:36.180 and obviously

03:03:36.680 from a jury standpoint,

03:03:38.760 this is,

03:03:39.320 you know,

03:03:40.340 huge for them to see,

03:03:41.680 oh,

03:03:42.460 their murderer's gloves

03:03:43.480 allegedly don't fit

03:03:44.740 on top of racist cops

03:03:46.880 and blood issues

03:03:48.120 with the DNA

03:03:48.860 and all this other stuff

03:03:50.320 and these cops

03:03:51.200 are racist in L.A.

03:03:52.080 and over half the jury

03:03:53.540 is black women, 0.94

03:03:54.600 of course they're going

03:03:55.220 to go ahead

03:03:55.660 and acquit, man.

03:03:56.580 And then, of course,

03:03:57.220 that's what led to

03:03:58.100 Johnny Cochran's

03:03:59.520 famous quote,

03:04:01.160 if the glove doesn't fit,

03:04:02.080 you must acquit.

03:04:09.040 There's Darden right there,

03:04:10.040 a much skinnier Darden.

03:04:16.880 I can't get him on.

03:04:28.820 This is Peoples 164A,

03:04:31.420 is that the right-hand glove?

03:04:32.600 Yeah, it's fine.

03:04:33.280 All right.

03:04:33.540 And

03:04:43.460 this is a legendary moment

03:04:49.220 here, guys,

03:04:49.880 in court

03:04:51.100 TV.

03:04:54.920 And here we go.

03:04:55.920 And his defense team

03:05:00.420 was very smart

03:05:01.180 planning this,

03:05:02.280 Shapiro and Johnny Cochran,

03:05:03.600 and they tell him,

03:05:04.240 watch this,

03:05:04.720 what he does.

03:05:06.760 After he clearly,

03:05:07.760 you know,

03:05:08.060 struggles in there.

03:05:08.960 Oh, I'm trying.

03:05:09.880 Oh, can't get it on.

03:05:11.140 Oh, can't do it.

03:05:12.260 Can't do it, guys.

03:05:13.800 It don't fit.

03:05:15.200 Look.

03:05:15.340 Our director reflects

03:05:16.000 that Mr. Red Simpson

03:05:16.880 has both gloves.

03:05:20.020 Can't get him on.

03:05:21.340 Yes.

03:05:21.600 Right, and then bam.

03:05:31.500 He holds the hand,

03:05:32.480 the glove.

03:05:32.940 This is,

03:05:33.280 this is a,

03:05:33.980 you know,

03:05:35.020 historic moment right here,

03:05:36.080 guys,

03:05:36.360 in American criminal justice system.

03:05:38.000 He holds

03:05:38.900 his hands up

03:05:40.140 with the gloves

03:05:40.780 to the jury.

03:05:42.380 Look, guys,

03:05:43.640 they don't fit.

03:05:46.880 I'm not the killer.

03:05:51.600 All right.

03:05:52.920 Thank you,

03:05:53.360 council.

03:05:56.780 Bam.

03:06:02.120 Johnny Cochran is just like,

03:06:03.520 gotcha, bitch. 1.00

03:06:04.080 And then you can see Shapiro

03:06:04.960 right there in the corner.

03:06:07.180 He was the one

03:06:07.920 that came up with this idea.

03:06:09.380 And he's just like,

03:06:11.040 we got him.

03:06:16.120 All right.

03:06:16.700 So let's go ahead.

03:06:19.660 Thought I'd give you

03:06:20.400 all that little bonus

03:06:21.140 because that was

03:06:21.660 an iconic woman

03:06:22.360 of the,

03:06:22.700 of the trial,

03:06:23.320 of course.

03:06:28.320 Okay.

03:06:28.820 So now that we know

03:06:29.560 the hypothetical,

03:06:30.620 let's go ahead

03:06:32.020 and get into

03:06:33.560 what the hell

03:06:35.600 actually happened

03:06:37.380 between

03:06:38.160 10,

03:06:38.820 15 p.m.

03:06:40.200 till

03:06:40.560 midnight

03:06:41.440 when the police

03:06:42.760 finally found

03:06:44.100 Nicole

03:06:45.040 Simpson

03:06:46.080 and Ron Goldman

03:06:47.960 on June 12,

03:06:49.520 1994

03:06:50.460 and Los Angeles

03:06:52.080 Brentwood

03:06:52.880 neighborhood.

03:06:53.780 Okay.

03:06:55.140 This video right here,

03:06:56.300 guys,

03:06:56.680 is pretty damn good.

03:06:59.720 Now I'm going to go ahead

03:07:00.760 and give my theory

03:07:01.540 on this shit, 0.92

03:07:02.440 which I agree with

03:07:03.220 a lot of this video.

03:07:03.960 and then

03:07:05.900 we'll go ahead

03:07:07.740 and break it down.

03:07:09.180 But my theory

03:07:09.760 is this.

03:07:11.340 We know,

03:07:12.660 right?

03:07:14.200 Actually,

03:07:14.600 you know what?

03:07:15.940 Hmm.

03:07:18.320 Audible.

03:07:18.960 I'll go ahead

03:07:19.540 and play the video

03:07:20.100 for y'all

03:07:20.400 and then I'll give

03:07:21.020 my theory

03:07:21.460 at the end.

03:07:22.400 Let's play this video.

03:07:24.720 Because I agree

03:07:25.340 with some parts of it

03:07:26.080 and disagree

03:07:26.440 with some others.

03:07:27.540 But

03:07:27.840 this is,

03:07:29.540 this one

03:07:29.940 brings some

03:07:30.560 pretty damn good

03:07:31.300 information.

03:07:37.580 You have your discretion

03:07:38.480 advised,

03:07:38.900 guys.

03:07:41.420 Case number

03:07:41.960 BA097211.

03:07:44.860 We the jury

03:07:45.400 and the above

03:07:45.920 entitled...

03:07:46.480 Oh, FYI.

03:07:47.160 This trial took

03:07:47.740 10 months,

03:07:48.180 by the way,

03:07:48.520 guys.

03:07:48.860 It ended in October,

03:07:49.940 but it started

03:07:50.920 in, like,

03:07:51.520 January.

03:07:52.680 All right?

03:07:53.520 Crazy.

03:07:53.760 I forget exactly

03:07:59.120 when it started.

03:07:59.540 It started early.

03:08:00.360 You know,

03:08:00.580 I'll look it up real quick.

03:08:08.020 I always loved it

03:08:08.960 when they said

03:08:09.440 there's a mountain

03:08:10.240 of evidence.

03:08:11.360 Trails of...

03:08:12.200 Okay.

03:08:12.960 Simpson was formally arranged

03:08:13.760 July 22nd, 1994.

03:08:15.120 Entering a plea

03:08:15.640 not guilty.

03:08:16.160 The trial began

03:08:16.620 on January 24th, 1995.

03:08:18.500 Okay?

03:08:20.020 And it went all the way

03:08:21.140 until October 5th.

03:08:22.220 Crazy.

03:08:22.860 Longest trial

03:08:23.500 in LA history.

03:08:24.900 Blood.

03:08:25.780 Well,

03:08:26.240 there was no mountain

03:08:27.080 of evidence

03:08:27.520 in my mind.

03:08:28.780 They thought

03:08:29.220 we got our gun.

03:08:31.960 Okay,

03:08:32.380 I'm not going to go

03:08:32.880 as far as say

03:08:33.380 OJ is innocent,

03:08:34.120 but let's keep going.

03:08:41.380 This does make

03:08:42.140 some compelling arguments,

03:08:43.720 but OJ definitely

03:08:44.380 ain't innocent.

03:08:44.820 Okay?

03:08:48.500 Let's go.

03:09:18.500 and they know this

03:09:43.240 from the phone

03:09:43.700 told guys

03:09:44.180 that she had

03:09:44.560 contacted the

03:09:45.380 restaurant

03:09:45.780 so

03:09:58.680 they

03:09:59.460 Pablo Pujovic, a neighbor of Nicole Brown Simpson, is watching TV.

03:10:25.600 Crazy stuff.

03:10:26.140 He looks outside and hears the constant barking of Nicole's dog.

03:10:34.800 11, 11, 15 p.m., OJ puts his bags into his limousine and leaves for the airport.

03:10:41.440 And we know that the limousine driver saw OJ right around 10.55 p.m.

03:10:50.160 OJ leaves on a flight to Chicago where people reportedly saw a cut on his arm.

03:10:54.660 Saw a no-cut on his arm, okay?

03:10:56.540 OJ Simpson does not have time to slaughter his wife, be surprised by a guy half his age,

03:11:03.140 stab that guy a bunch of times by himself, and get away with everything,

03:11:07.660 get rid of the weapons and the bloody clothing and whatever else had blood on it.

03:11:11.880 If he did do this, he would have had blood in his eyelashes, for God's sake.

03:11:15.680 See, he had the blood covered in blood.

03:11:17.940 You can't be cool, calm, and collected getting in a limo 20 minutes after the murder.

03:11:23.680 I'll give the government the best.

03:11:24.940 I think it's 31 minutes.

03:11:27.040 Also, he had a bag with him that he did not want his limousine driver to touch, guys.

03:11:30.120 That probably had all the clothes. 0.74

03:11:31.180 They never found the blood-stained clothing, all right?

03:11:33.720 From the murder to the time he's in the limo.

03:11:37.820 I don't think that would be solved, but people have said, well, who did it?

03:11:41.720 I said, well, I worked 18 hours a day for, I don't know, 17 months on this case,

03:11:48.080 and forget about since then all the times I've thought about it.

03:11:51.800 I don't know who did it, but I know who didn't do it.

03:11:56.160 OJ Simpson did not murder two people.

03:11:58.360 That's why I disagree.

03:12:03.480 Well, let's continue.

03:12:08.020 The real killer.

03:12:13.000 Oh, who's that, guys?

03:12:14.900 Oh, shit.

03:12:15.620 Oh, shit.

03:12:16.140 Oh, shit.

03:12:19.580 Jason Simpson.

03:12:21.960 OJ's son from a prior marriage.

03:12:25.480 Some sinister music.

03:12:28.360 So after the divorce, he was expecting her to go back to his mom.

03:12:41.800 But when he learned that OJ was actually trying to rebuild his relationship with Nicole,

03:12:45.620 it started to upset him.

03:12:46.720 Yeah, mind you guys, they divorced in like 92, but they were working things out.

03:12:51.080 They were still sleeping with each other.

03:12:52.200 They're still seeing each other.

03:12:53.180 So Nicole had even like tried to, you know, you know, hey, I want to be together again with the kids or whatever.

03:12:59.300 But they were seeing each other occasionally, which is why OJ went to her house that night and saw her fucking some guy. 0.82

03:13:08.240 Jason was diagnosed with intermittent rage disorder.

03:13:10.120 We know this.

03:13:10.940 He nearly killed an ex-girlfriend with a butcher knife.

03:13:12.600 We know this.

03:13:13.300 He almost seriously injured another girl.

03:13:14.900 And he also attacked a former boss with a knife.

03:13:16.940 So we know that this guy has issues.

03:13:23.780 Serious issues.

03:13:24.620 And he's an alcoholic and drug addict.

03:13:34.680 Nicole was, hold on.

03:13:35.860 What did I say?

03:13:36.400 Nicole was supposed to arrive to Jason's restaurant on that night.

03:13:39.160 Yes, as you guys know, she had bookings for that restaurant. 0.51

03:13:45.280 Jason wanted to speak to Nicole, but she canceled at the very last minute, which would have been enough to anger Jason in the mental condition he was in.

03:13:52.320 Not to mention his dad was already pissed off at her as well.

03:13:56.140 They had a heated argument about the IRS, which I told you guys before.

03:14:04.960 Jason caught to OJ and told him how upset he was with Nicole.

03:14:08.540 Jason was already gone when OJ arrived to the restaurant.

03:14:11.520 OJ decided to head to Nicole's instead.

03:14:18.540 By the time OJ got to Nicole's, it was already too late.

03:14:24.340 Nicole walked to her front gate, unaware that she was about to be attacked.

03:14:30.120 Jason stabbed Nicole and Rob Goldman multiple times.

03:14:33.240 All that OJ could do when he got there was yank the knife away from him.

03:14:38.540 According to one of Jason's ex-classmates, Jason was trained in hand-to-hand combat, as well as knife training while attending the Army and Navy Academy.

03:14:57.540 And he was a chef, had a bunch of knives.

03:14:59.880 The bottom end of Jason's knife found by private investigator, William C. Deer, matches the size of the wound on the back of Nicole's head.

03:15:16.940 And I'll try to find you guys this picture here in a second.

03:15:19.980 The bottom end of Jason's knife found by private investigator, matched the size of the wound on the back of Nicole's head.

03:15:35.380 It was found at the very bottom of a storage locker owned by Jason.

03:15:39.480 Jason.

03:15:40.980 Jason.

03:15:41.480 Jason.

03:15:41.980 Jason.

03:15:42.980 Jason.

03:15:43.980 Jason.

03:15:44.980 Jason.

03:15:45.980 Jason.

03:15:46.980 Jason.

03:15:47.980 Jason.

03:15:48.980 Jason.

03:15:49.980 Jason.

03:15:50.980 Jason.

03:15:51.980 Jason.

03:15:52.540 Jason.

03:15:52.980 Jason.

03:15:53.540 Jason.

03:15:54.040 Jason.

03:15:55.540 Jason was completely covered in blood.

03:15:56.540 Jason.

03:15:57.540 Jason.

03:15:58.540 Jason.

03:15:59.540 Jason.

03:16:00.540 Jason.

03:16:01.540 Jason.

03:16:03.500 Jason.

03:16:04.440 Jason.

03:16:05.540 Jason.

03:16:06.500 Jason.

03:16:07.820 Jason.

03:16:08.420 Jason.

03:16:09.380 Jason.

03:16:09.500 Jason.

03:16:10.600 Jason.

03:16:11.660 Jason.

03:16:12.600 Jason.

03:16:14.020 Jason.

03:16:15.660 Jason.

03:16:17.680 Jason.

03:16:18.640 Jason.

03:16:18.680 Jason.

03:16:18.980 hold on guys give me one second let me pull it from from google for y'all real fast

03:16:26.020 um this is it right here okay as y'all can see this is the wound all right which matches his knife

03:16:38.420 size which explains the blood stain found at oj's bronco

03:16:53.700 and remember guys the blood in the bronco was awkwardly placed in a center console

03:16:59.140 which is more indicative of a passenger sitting on the other side getting the blood in that weird place

03:17:08.820 this is why oj was more concerned about asking who did it when the police

03:17:11.940 contacted him the next day he was worried for jason

03:17:18.020 and me oj immediately hired top criminal attorney carl jones to represent jason even though

03:17:22.900 he wasn't a suspect oh a lot of people don't know that do they

03:17:27.060 and then not only that that's a big reason why oj went and cooperated with the police to see what they

03:17:31.140 knew

03:17:42.260 crime experts believe that jason should have been a major suspect in the investigation

03:17:46.660 the murders took place between 9 45 to 10 05 nobody knows about jason's whereabouts after 9 50 that

03:17:57.460 night i would say the murders probably took place anywhere between you know later it could have been

03:18:04.660 been from 9 45 all the way to hell i would say you know 10 10 40 ish guys mind you look at how close

03:18:15.220 okay i showed you guys this earlier but i'll show you out one more time look at how close um

03:18:22.260 your boy oj lived to um nicole at the time okay we're talking about a five minute drive two miles 0.57

03:18:30.420 okay so he could have easily gotten him out of there quickly

03:18:41.300 oh nicole's fingernails had skin and blood that did not match oj we know that guys 1.00

03:18:46.980 right that's a big one right there

03:18:49.060 the lapd forgot to mention they they didn't you know make a serious note of that which i thought

03:19:00.420 was extremely strange you know that they didn't pursue that you know you got blood under her

03:19:06.420 fingernail that doesn't match the main perpetrator you need to figure out who the hell it belongs to

03:19:19.060 the black navy cat found at the crime scene had hair and animal fibers that did not match oj

03:19:24.100 okay so two things now that didn't match oj guys

03:19:32.900 oj never wore any caps this is true you don't see him wearing hats often

03:19:44.740 there he is

03:19:55.380 jason's photograph wearing a different color cap weeks after the murders

03:19:58.420 we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant worth john orenthal james simpson not

03:20:07.060 guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal quote section 187 a a felony upon nicole brown 0.63

03:20:13.620 john simpson a human being as charged in count one of the information

03:20:25.700 all of oj's children are excited for his release all except jason

03:20:28.420 he felt guilty for putting his father through hell

03:20:37.300 i mean that's a speculation but

03:20:38.740 oj tried to explain that everything that jason did in an interview he changed jason's name to charlie

03:20:44.740 so that investigators won't look into him

03:20:54.340 and i think charlie had followed this guy and one make sure it was no problem

03:20:58.980 and he brought the knife as jason brings the knife things got heated uh i just remember his chef knife

03:21:06.660 which matches the wounds jason attacks nicole exactly because he just said nicole fell randomly

03:21:12.500 what the hell that don't make sense come on and hurt herself and uh this guy kind of got into a karate 1.00

03:21:20.660 thing and i said well you think you can kick my ass and i remember i grabbed the knife i do remember 0.94

03:21:26.660 that portion takes knife away from jason and to be honest after that i don't remember

03:21:32.980 oj didn't want to describe the brutal details of jason murdering nicole brown and ron goldman

03:21:39.780 on live television of course

03:21:45.540 i'm standing there there's all kind of stuff around and um um what kind of stuff

03:21:53.380 one of jason's former classmates tried to reach out to him in atlanta ga but never found him jason's

03:22:02.660 whereabouts remain unknown

03:22:07.380 he's 52 years old now guys

03:22:29.940 pay very close attention jason's face after the verdict is read

03:22:32.260 he has displayed any emotion like the rest of his family is and there are

03:22:41.780 clearly no signs of any tears on his face

03:22:46.100 look at his face after the sister of ron goldman starts to cry in the courtroom

03:22:59.940 now he's crying like crazy

03:23:29.940 yeah so he might be in atlanta i'm looking it up right now no one really knows where the hell this

03:23:48.660 guy is at

03:23:53.140 so okay now i'm going to give you all my uh

03:23:57.060 analysis on this we're almost you know three and a half hours into this bad boy so guys this is what

03:24:03.540 i think happened i think that it was oj and his son working together in tandem to get nicole killed 0.53

03:24:11.620 and they did not anticipate that ron goldman was going to be there okay or their watch it's one of

03:24:19.220 the two either they didn't anticipate him being there or they're like you know what we can get rid

03:24:22.260 of him too fuck him you know because again we knew that they had some kind of relationship and 0.82

03:24:28.100 oj is an old man at this point guys he's 40 almost 50 years old at this point his son much younger

03:24:34.900 bigger uh obviously has an anger problem as well i think that he went ahead and solicited the you know

03:24:40.100 his son to help him and they both carried it out together this looked like a two-man job

03:24:45.780 because even jason himself right you know going ahead against someone like ron goldman who's fit

03:24:51.300 whatever it may be obviously yes he's a raging lunatic which is going to give him that crazy strength

03:24:56.180 but i think it was a two-man job they worked together and they were able to have it and make

03:25:00.420 it happen i don't think that oj showed up on number one i don't think oj could have done it by

03:25:05.620 himself because he probably would have been uh bested by ron goldman and his uh and his fitness

03:25:10.580 and his age and his ability to defend himself and then also on top of that you know between the

03:25:15.300 screaming everything else like that it would have been very difficult for him to control that

03:25:18.580 situation remember the guy's old has arthritis isn't necessarily in the best of shape older etc i think

03:25:25.460 he used his son they had they had paid that guy right um wise he had done surveillance they had

03:25:31.780 been watching her they knew that this goldman guy was probably going to show up said fuck it we can

03:25:36.660 take them both on boom they make it happen they knock nicole down they beat the shadow of ron goldman 0.59

03:25:42.740 it looks like he probably was getting attacked by two individuals at once which is why they were able

03:25:46.420 to make quick work of him and why it was such a bloody scene and then they were able to go ahead

03:25:51.220 finish nicole and get the hell out of there that's what i think happened and that's and and 1.00

03:25:56.980 the forensic evidence shows it right from you know ron goldman being easily subdued right but obviously

03:26:02.020 there being a fight but him get being subdued even though he's a trained fighter that didn't make sense

03:26:05.540 um and then also with the blood the footprints showing that there was more than one potential

03:26:11.860 perpetrator there the hat being there the nail uh the nails on nicole right that didn't match oj's

03:26:19.140 blood even though she had blood under her fingernails it didn't match her blood or ron goldman so it

03:26:22.820 must have been the attacker and they didn't match oj so it must have been someone else and they never

03:26:26.500 went ahead and pursued jason and they didn't want to pursue jason because obviously it was a black guy

03:26:31.220 to the lapd it was a black guy to the district attorney's office and they're like fuck this we 0.91

03:26:35.860 took an l on the biggest stage we don't care anymore you know and they more most importantly they

03:26:41.060 can't get oj okay because they already he had already been um found innocent of murder and it's not

03:26:47.700 not going to be as sexy to go after his son who cares right they'll be like ah you know what now

03:26:51.460 no we're not going to revisit this it would cost us a bunch of money it cost the city of la i think

03:26:55.780 nine or ten million dollars to prosecute the case it cost oj ten million dollars to defend himself in

03:27:00.500 the case and he hasn't even paid shapiro or any of these other guys a lot of them are still mad at

03:27:04.180 him because he hasn't paid all his legal fees okay so that is my theory on what i think happened of

03:27:09.620 i think was more probable it was a two-man job father and son oj defended uh oj took the bullet for

03:27:16.900 his son was willing to you know fight it for his son and honestly the the the less the less

03:27:23.860 witnesses the better and the son was able to come up with a solid alibi and distance himself from the

03:27:28.660 investigation and lapd was just so you know hell-bent on getting rid of uh oj that didn't even care 0.82

03:27:35.700 about his son you know the sexier target was oj let's put him in jail so anyway hope you guys

03:27:41.620 enjoyed that video man that was a bit that was a good one man i really enjoyed doing that breakdown

03:27:45.860 for y'all i did a lot of research for that episode so please like the video man subscribe to the

03:27:49.780 channel and i'll catch you guys on the next episode of fed it with the documentary breakdowns peace

03:27:59.140 i was a special agent with homelands investigations okay guys hsi the cases that i did mostly were

03:28:04.020 human smuggling and drug trafficking no one else has these documents by the way here's what fed it

03:28:10.500 covers doctor lafredo confirmed lacerations due to stepping on glass murder investigations

03:28:18.660 reaching in his jacket you don't know and he's positioning been on february 13 2019 you're facing

03:28:23.780 two counts of two meditative murder racketeering and rico conspiracies young slime life here and after

03:28:29.620 referred to as ysl the defendant uh six nine and then this is billy seiko right here now when they first

03:28:35.060 started guys six nine ran with i'm a fed i'm watching this music video you know i'm bobbing my head

03:28:40.260 like hey this lit but at the same time i'm pausing oh wait who this right who's that in the back

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - October 16, 2022

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