Iran-US War, Kyle Kulinski Says ICE Assassinated Alex Pretti, And X Debating Libs On ICE!
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Ranan and Marion join me on The Stage to talk about Bitcoin, the Middle East, and much more! Recorded in Tel Aviv, Israel. Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are a safe and sound investment option in the near and long term.
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So whatever you think is going to happen in the future,
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all right and we are live what's up guys welcome to the stream welcome to the stream
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uh all right let's kind of just get right into this guys i'm going to jump into a twitter space
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right now they're talking about the conflict uh with sulaiman and them let's jump in see what's
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going on i'm gonna adjust it mike because you guys know how it goes as soon as i come into
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these twitter spaces for israel first i think they're optimizing look you got you got the the
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zio part of finance the zio part of technology and the zio part of military and many of those are
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converging because finance um you know to a good degree to a certain degree as long as pentagon
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keeps sending the money over to military it's got like a nationalistic kind of american part to it
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where all it wants to do is profit from wars and you know zionism has factions and all of those
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the real battle right now is weakening the dollar versus strengthening the dollar the military want
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to strengthen the dollar through war and financial want to weaken the dollar to transnational capital
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and multi-polarity and so that creates an internal conflict um with um zionist factions and obviously
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the the radical evangelical christian zionists they're more aligned with military which their
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wet dream is that you get to continue to destabilize the middle east rather than regional stability
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um and therefore the greater israel project is in their financial interest um in order to to push
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that so that you can just really focus on the previous world order but the previous world order
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doesn't exist because uh china has a say in the equation um and and these powers you know need
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to negotiate with china and unless you believe that zionists control china as well uh then you have to
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realize that they have a they have a different faction of power that they need to negotiate with
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and america does not have the hedge in one status anymore so even if america is full-blown zionist
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um it still needs to negotiate because there's new powers and china doesn't want israel destabilizing
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the region for american um profits the only issue is most major powers do go down swinging they don't
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just kind of step aside thanks budget uh i just want to welcome um marion onto the stage marion thanks
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for joining us we got ryan and sam on the stage as well how are you doing by the way we're live on
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youtube as well uh how are things good man can you guys uh hear me yeah okay hold on
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i'm just gonna adjust the audio real quick for mine because i don't know my audience
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oh i'm okay yeah okay let me turn my volume up on my side a bit as well okay um no man if you guys
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could just and i apologize because i'm sure you guys literally were just talking about this earlier
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as i came in uh could we just do a quick little um i guess like a bird's eye view of what's going on
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obviously there's a bunch of assets mobilized uh you know right in iran's uh backyard you know
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destroyers aircraft carriers etc it's an enormous amount of resources being put in place from what
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i understand i've i've looked this up it costs the u.s about 10 million dollars a day almost
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to just be out there in the first place without launching anything um what kind of where are we
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right now in the uh in the news and in this progression cycle so far as of up to right now
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yeah of course i'll let ryan and your mic's a little bit low i'll let ryan and give his
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perspective and then i'll jump on and then simon can jump on and i'll give you like a bit of an
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overview of what's going on but ryan jump in if you want to add in whatever you want and then if
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you want to give it over you uh just quick response to simon it's interesting because
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there wouldn't be a tighter relationship between russia and china or china and the middle east or china
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and latin america if not for these zionist policies uh of warmongering like they they wouldn't have to
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split the world between china and the u.s they were happy to go with the u.s they were happy to use
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dollars the u.s de-dollarized itself by putting sanctions on people and freezing funds and starting
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wars on israel's behalf so we can see which faction is the winner there uh bird's eye view you've got
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all the refuelers at least the one carrier strike group in the gulf uh you've got a little bit of
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pushback on the u.s bases at least from the uae and qatar but we don't know how truthful they are
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but i think they're genuine israel and uh the u.s is is sending more and more and it's apparently
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their allies are starting to uh as well at least the uk has 13 fighter jets they're going to strike
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it doesn't matter what we say this is happening i wish i could i wish it was otherwise i wish i could
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white pill people but the this is going to happen um they've got uh attack comes as well i don't know
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if they can burn through those but everything else i mean you already know uh the carrier groups there
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they've got bombers fighter jets artillery refuelers uh and then they've got their paramilitary on the
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ground like mek inside iran already they will not sit in the u.s army that's not doable um do you
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think some green berets are on the ground over there assisting them with um you know launching a
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revolution on that side what like special forces inside iran well they have like these guys up and
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get them ready to you know launch a revolution on their side intelligence is there they have um
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domestic sources to do that so you don't really have to send in people from oklahoma or something
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there's plenty of uh anti-iranians in iran willing to do that okay so i guess from your analysis ryan
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what would you say was the nail in the coffin that made you say okay these guys are absolutely
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going to hit i mean obviously we've been talking about this for months now ever since the 12 day war
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uh back in june we knew that uh they were at some point going to go back in to try to finish a job i
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think um their strategy last time massively backfired they were hoping that uh there would
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be a color revolution after bombing all their nuclear facilities and actually created the
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opposite effect the rally around the flag effect where the people were saying hey hit israel back
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and they hit them back pretty hard um what would you for me i think the the telltale side for me
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just get my perspective was once they started moving their refuelers over there i was like yeah
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they're 100 percent gonna hit um you know the invasion event as well i think that was another little
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uh piece as well but for you from your perspective what do you think was the the nail in the coffin
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that made you say okay they're obviously going to strike and it's going to be imminent and it's
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more than likely going to be the u.s striking first because i thought it was going to be israel but
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the more and more i see the mobilizing things the more i'm like oh man it might actually be us now
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uh by the way mike's not still not great uh if you want to improve it that'd be awesome but back to you ryan
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i knew they're going to strike iran before they sent refuelers like this is the plan this is open
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they wrote about it's in their policy papers it's in their propaganda like iran was next
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they wrote a script to take out all of israel's enemies and iran was the final piece of the pie
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as far as like oh when is it going to be imminent well when they sent the refuelers
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when they sent a carrier when they sent the lincoln then you know because i remember uh being asked
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this before like are they going to strike tomorrow i said no are they gonna strike tomorrow i said no
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they're not going to do anything until the lincoln arrives once you have a carrier strike force then
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you've got a green light uh what they could send a three two or three of those uh but one they have
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enough hubris to maybe think one's enough but once there's no reason for a carrier strike force group
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to be in the gulf other than to threaten iran like it's also right i did read all the reports that
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they have sent the uss uh george bush as well and so they possibly could be another one there as
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well it's it's i don't know if this is on purpose but could you get worse than lincoln and bush
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but yeah just just on what ryan said just to add to add to his point um uh myron i agree with what
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he's saying what you what we saw was um i mean we were expecting it for a while because
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just from a geopolitical perspective the israelis and the americans need this
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done and dusted well before from the american perspective the midterms from the israeli perspective
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the netanyahu election so we always expected it to be before like february time uh before mid february
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um and then in addition to that what's kind of escalated here and we think it was imminent we've
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had we've seen the uss abraham lincoln move towards iran now it's exactly where it needs to be it's
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hiding off the shore of oman right now in addition to that we saw reports of the uss george bush moving
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towards it so and then just over the last few days or the last four or five days uh we had um and
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within the abraham lincoln we got the uss uh peterson jr the uss murphy the uss uh spurrence
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and then they have like a large number of aircraft craft so we've got they've got these aircraft
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carriers they've got the destroyers they've got the fighter jets uh and all of the 100 there's
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submarines with those 100 they've got the submarines as well and they've got the air defense they've
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basically the specific bases in the gcc they've replenished them as well significant amount of cargo
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has gone there so we've seen a lot of c-17s bring cargoes into there bring air defense systems in
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there we've seen a number of f-35s and ea-18s move uh move towards that region as well so i would say
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like things are imminent like it could be any minute now like it could this is why i canceled
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i was meant to go to vegas as well but i just canceled it because i thought this is happening
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because like today tomorrow the next day it's happening
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you can report from the poker table suly so okay let's uh now that we know that it's imminent we kind
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of have an idea of all the resources that have been moved into place at this point um what do you
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think is i mean if we had to you know kind of go through this play by play what is going to be the
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first uh attack from the how's it going to be done are we talking about you know it's going to be
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hitting a nuclear facility first is it going to be hitting a military strategic point first uh how do
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you think they're going to kick this off well i think they'll strike the telecommunications they'll
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basically strike where sorry sorry i meant to add in like on day one and then how would iran respond
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in your opinion yeah i think day one is going to be hit the telecommunication uh telecommunication
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facilities hit the uh where the missile launch pads are uh hit possibly uh if they think that this is
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going to be their best chance to do it then hit where they believe some of the leadership is i think
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strike one is going to be those specific targets and then that will be day one obviously over
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the time the overarching thing is going to be hit as many military sites as possible hit the
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nuclear sites hit the uh where the hypersonic missile uh launch pads are uh try and take out
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the leadership they're going to attack on the first day as well what they'll do is as ryan said
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they've within iran they have the mek but in addition that they have these mossad operatives
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those will start attacking as well like they did last time you remember last time the first day
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the most successful was actually these guys from within iran yeah so those people will attack as
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well so this will be like a coordinated effort on the ground from the air in terms of how they attack
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okay there's a high chance they have drones in iran too ready to go they had that the first time as
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all um okay so uh do you guys think um i think now pretty much you guys are all pretty confident that
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it's going to be the united states that launches the first attack um is israel going to also join
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in on that day one assault um simultaneously in your opinion uh so that's ryan's opinion i'm not sure
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i'm 50 50 on this i'm not sure if it's going to be israel or the united states of america who attacks
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first because the issue with the united states are attacking is it adds the complex so why i think
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ryan's it is more possible that it's america is because as he said and as we reported the gcc
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countries have come out and said look we're not going to allow anyone to use our airbase we're not
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going to help with the refueling we're not involved in this which seems to suggest that maybe it will
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be america because if america attacks iran's going to attack the gcc countries so this sorry iran is so
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this kind of make sure that they're not involved in the situation so that seems to suggest it's
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america but the problem you have is if america attacks then iran is in a situation where they
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should attack the gcc anyway and that's an easy attack and so it's going to be interesting in that
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regard so i still think that maybe it's going to be israel but the fact that the gcc countries have
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come out and said that kind of is an indicator that it is more likely going to be the united states of
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america who attacks first that could be why the george bush is on the way because qatar and uae said no
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wow um and we do know that um if i'm not mistaken a couple of years back the houthis hit
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uh an oil field in saudi arabia and it absolutely demolished them you know it was it was it was a
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very small scale attack and um they they pretty much crippled the oil operations for for a long
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time for a few months so um i do we brought that up earlier yeah yeah no okay and i think that is a
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very good uh weak point because i think the strategy for iran they know that they can't win
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militarily they know that you know between the united states and israel um you know they're
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superior from military standpoint i think iran's only play really is to make it so painful for the
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west to attack them that they won't be able to stand it and it's gonna you're gonna have to hit
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them and make it hurt economically is i think the only real deterrent they have where they're
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destroying oil fields shunned down straight or her moose where it would completely cripple global
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trade and it would force other countries to step in and uh negotiate some type of ceasefire i think
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that's really the only play iran has is is just to make it too painfully economically uh for these
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countries to attack them i don't know what you guys think the problem with that is is the stopping
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the straight basically means you alienate your key ally which is china uh which from a longevity
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perspective you destroy all opportunity in terms of from the gcc perspective and this is what we
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discussed actually in detail marion before you came because um me and my me and ryan agree that
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actually if i was iran if we were iran we would strike the gcc irrespective of the fact that they're
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not allowing their airspace to be used and irrespective of the fact that they're not allowing
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refueling because that as you said quite correctly would cause the united states of america
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to stand back because now it means they're not able to protect the key allies that shows weakness
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and they're getting trillions of dollars and defense packs to try and do it so that would be
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the smart move i think but the problem you have with iran is that they may think that look if these
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countries have said they're going to stay out and we then attack them you know we may look like
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the bad guys or it may make us it may basically bring them in which i don't think it'll have that
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much of an impact but there'll be certain calculations that they're going to do which may make
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them like think twice about that but if i agree with me and ryan are on the same page on this one
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like we think they should attack but i think they won't
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yeah um and i mean obviously if they did shut down the shirt of her moves maybe they can have
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some agreement with the chinese because yeah that's something that had me hung up too
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is um you know that would hurt one of their biggest trade partners uh china but you know maybe
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they would allow chinese ships to pass or cross i don't know but um but in general i guess from an
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overview uh this way i don't think it's that i don't think it's that so go ahead china has the
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largest oil reserve in the world right now they've been preparing for this for a long time um it will
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create economic chaos initially upon the announcement but i don't think iran on their own can shut down the
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strait of humus in order to like there is naval deployments from us britain saudi it requires
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cooperation from amman like it's not it's it's it's a threat but i don't think it's um it just turns
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into a naval war that immediately um i think could come under control by greater forces with china and
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everyone um so it's even if it did happen it would push it would pump the price of oil initially
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and then china would just start selling oil into the market because china um has significant influence
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over oil prices now because it's just built those massive reserves and then it would make a shit ton
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of money selling it at the high price um and then push the price back down again it would be probably
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it's 20 of the trade of oil on the maritime silk road and simon's right they they physically could
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not set up a blockade but you don't have to do blockade to shut down the strait you just have to
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make the insurance cost so much that no one's willing to risk it and it's effectively shut
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you know playing out um which you guys said just now if iran decides to strike the military bases
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in gcc countries but not the oil fields you know hypothetically speaking you know if they show that
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they have the hypersonic missiles and america can't protect them and you already have saudi arabia and
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iran um joining in the bricks is it hypothetically possible that maybe there could be a pivot away from
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america in the region that gets sparked by this showdown what are the chances of that
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i think that that's yeah sorry god i think the chances are high on that um because if you look
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at maybe less or south arabia because they've always been in alliance with the u.s uh for like 50 60 years
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but those gcc countries they pay the united states of america trillions of dollars they have defense
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packs with the united states of america they trade with the united states of america with the idea
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and understanding that the u.s is going to protect them because in my view they're too weak to protect
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themselves and they've always required to bring this support in from an external perspective
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and so the fact that they were to be here i think that would actually make them real i think
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it's like these guys can't protect us maybe we should think about having deals or trade with anyone
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else so therefore you actually if you wanted those countries to become more pro china that would
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actually be the move and actually uh simon that would probably add to your theory as well if they
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wanted to be overtly more china that would actually be an easy way to do it but uh simon you're gonna
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jump in go ahead uh you cut out a bit towards the end but look um the gcc countries have already been
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making that pivot um their sovereign wealth funds are propped up by selling oil to china as their
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primary customer um america is a net energy exporter so they compete so what is happening
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right now is saudi is selling u.s treasuries because the currency is weakening um and it is
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purchasing u.s equities and america has now sold 65 trillion dollars of its stock market and bond
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market to foreign investors so america is no longer a sovereign country it doesn't act in its own
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national interest it works for bondholders um and the the the fight you know the the financial um the
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co-invest with all the sovereign wealth funds uh owns significantly more of um u.s assets as well
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um so that pivot has already happened and china iran and russia um and including india have set up
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basically a de-dollarized uh chinese credit system whereby you can trade with each other
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uh to circumvent sanctions and uh bypass any need uh for the dollar so um and saudi has already reduced
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the petro dollar to 70 percent and 30 percent of it is petro yuan at the moment um all of the
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infrastructure deals that have been done in saudi is normally chinese infrastructure um like saudi
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um is managing um is managing its relationship and the gcc is managing its relationship between america
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europe and china but china pays the bills they just don't do pr um you know and and so that pivot has
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already happened is already happening um but uh the uh you know america is replacing forever war contracts
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based upon israel zionism um with essentially defense contracts and trying to create dependencies
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while the gulf countries start setting up their alternative rails so with all the different um
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good cop bad cop i call them um that we've seen like recently um you ended up with the alternative
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packs between saudi um turkey and pakistan and then uae turning towards india um and these are all
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around normalization um around china and the bricks corridors well that's a financial pivot i was
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speaking one second jay uh maron uh was there anything else you wanted to add or ask um no man
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i mean um what's your view on it uh i i think um you know i think at this point it's it's it's pretty
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eminent and i think the u.s has done what they've what they've kind of threatened they've mobilized
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quite a bit of uh resource and i think at this point it's too it's too deep to not do anything
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right at first you can make the argument oh maybe it's just posturing maybe it's just to show force
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maybe it's just to you know get them to the table but i don't think even i think trump is trying to
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manufacture a justification to a strike he tried it with the protesters didn't work tried it with the
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executions it didn't work uh you know now he's saying uh oh iran come to the table make a deal but we
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know that he never actually negotiates in good faith so i think right now they're looking for
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some type of pull uh political uh scapegoat to justify their them attacking first and i think
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that's what kind of what it is so it's uh yeah i mean at this point you know it's just inevitable
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with them mobilizing that many resources um there's a question for you uh from youtube and we are live on
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youtube as well guys the tweet is in the nest i think we're about two three hundred there we've got
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about one thousand four hundred here and myron the question to you is this that from a u.s perspective
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we're aware that people in america don't have an appetite for a ground invasion into iran but what
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about an offensive war that means bombing from the air whatever it may be supplying uh you know
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causing like a syria type of rebellion what's what's the kind of appetite in the united states of america
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from that perspective it would be very bad i think um everyone is still traumatized from iraq and all
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the wars in the middle east um you know i think at this point everyone is pretty red-pilled on um
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you know how the iraq war was not really a war for the united states how it didn't benefit us it took
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us 20 years to realize it um but i think at this point even normies understand that the war in iraq was
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was for israel you know people are starting to wake up to israel's influence um this past year or past
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well these two past two years uh awareness on the israel problem has skyrocketed dude i like i can't
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even explain it i remember vividly in early 2023 when i when we would talk about you know israel or
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zionism or whatever we had to use sound effects we couldn't say jew we couldn't say israel we couldn't
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say anything um i remember having ryan on my show we literally hit the bell every time we discussed
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this topic and for you know the 180 degree turn that i've seen where people are openly talking about
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it progressives are talking about it you know they're naming them by the name this is unprecedented
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so i think all of this awareness on this topic has made it even more of a uh disliked excuse me
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uh potential outcome with going to war the the you know the the scars of iraq are still very um fresh
00:45:26.240
and a lot of people are just finding out about it so i think a war from the u.s perspective is
00:45:31.380
absolutely not going to be happy like from the conservative side trump campaigned on no new wars
00:45:36.580
that's a big reason why people voted for him that's a big reason i voted for him right uh from
00:45:40.120
the progressive side um they understand that uh these wars are only to you know prop up israel who
00:45:46.080
they look at as a colonial apartheid state that you know is occupying people so the but the bottom
00:45:52.580
line is the same from the right wing perspective we don't like a foreign country hijacking our uh our
00:45:57.980
military and our foreign policy right that could potentially get u.s soldiers killed from the left
00:46:01.980
wing perspective they don't like that we are supporting a regime that is responsible for the
00:46:06.980
death and destruction of tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of innocent people and
00:46:11.440
children as we watch what happened in gaza and the fact that they claim to be a democracy but they're
00:46:15.960
anything else but that they're literally the complete opposite so both factions in america oppose
00:46:21.920
israel for different reasons but the bottom line is they both oppose so a war um on their behalf
00:46:27.360
because that's what this this conflict is even an idiot when room temperature iq understands that
00:46:31.680
this a conflict with iran doesn't benefit us even a moron is going to say we don't want this so
00:46:36.660
it's going to be extremely even if the united states tries to say oh yeah it's only going to be limited
00:46:41.820
we're only going to do airstrikes whatever i think uh that us attacking them and making aware iran's
00:46:47.520
going to have to retaliate and putting soldiers at risk that is going to be completely intolerable for
00:46:51.920
the majority of americans in my my opinion we do we do not have the appetite for conflict like we did
00:46:56.180
back in 2003 there's no 9-11 to justify um preemptively attacking iran like there was in uh 2001
00:47:02.940
myron what about the the factions of americans that might think it's like venezuela and they were
00:47:09.880
really loving that we're strengthening the dollar america's the strongest military we're taking over
00:47:16.060
the oil this is making america great again what if they have like a fantasy that they're going to get
00:47:21.520
hold of all of iran's oil and strengthen the dollar and show the world that america's still the
00:47:27.380
global hegemon no that's that's a that's a great question i think the difference here between uh
00:47:32.360
venezuela and uh and iran is that with the venezuela situation right and i've and i because what i'll do
00:47:38.100
is i'll watch a lot of political commentators that i that you know are pro venezuela invasion
00:47:42.280
and almost all of them use the same exact excuse monroe doctrine right even though i laugh when people
00:47:47.220
say that because you know china and russia have been in our hemisphere for a very long time doing
00:47:52.180
business you know i mean so it's like they're over here saying like yeah we got to keep the chinese
00:47:55.360
out like uh bro newsflash the chinese pretty much control the caribbean right like if you get your
00:48:00.360
passport and go to jamaica there's a bunch of chinese all over the place they're all over the
00:48:03.620
bahamas they're all over south america all over the caribbean etc so this monroe doctrine unless you're
00:48:09.380
an idiot uh it doesn't really hold hold uh hold weight um but i would say in this situation
00:48:14.780
there's two main differences number one venezuela's in our hemisphere so politicians were able to use
00:48:19.180
that to justify and then number two venezuela doesn't have the military capability to actually
00:48:23.320
hit us back um iran does they're a significantly bigger country they have a more they have they're
00:48:28.540
significantly more effective from a military standpoint and uh and they can absolutely strike
00:48:32.680
us back so i think um we i think politicians are going to have a way harder time selling uh a war
00:48:38.640
with iran than they will with venezuela because with venezuela um no one got killed you know it
00:48:43.400
demonstrate our power they're in our hemisphere there's talking points that they can use to the
00:48:47.880
american public that doesn't expose the problems but i think with iran it's going to be way harder
00:48:51.880
for them to justify it my opinion just another question for you marion um in terms of um going
00:49:02.220
forward you mentioned how the appetite may not be there for war um the problem you have is from the
00:49:09.300
israeli perspective and from the u.s perspective we mentioned this earlier but time is running out
00:49:15.100
they both need this done asap um yeah so i mean there's there's a bit of like fast movement there's
00:49:23.860
a bit of a rush towards this like if this is i guess let me rephrase the question if trump was truly
00:49:29.440
america first and he was put in and remember he let's say he wanted to go to war or he wanted to
00:49:35.500
attack foreign nations but it was specifically for america you take out venezuela the next smart
00:49:40.060
move is cuba or uh what you call it again colombia that's within the region within the hemisphere
00:49:46.140
but yet he's doing this extravagant war that could go long term then the risks with this are
00:49:54.240
significantly more what does this say in terms of the level of control that these zionists have over
00:49:58.960
the united states of america well i think at this point now it's extremely evident right we can look at
00:50:04.740
like the tiktok purchase which we predicted would happen right um you know the fact that they're
00:50:10.060
literally making the term zionist going to be a protected class and term um you know the the the
00:50:16.540
campaign we saw in gaza uh with them just bombing them for you know literally for two years you know
00:50:22.780
and and there's still a there's still conflict over there too like people say oh yeah it's a ceasefire
00:50:26.680
it's mostly gone yeah there's still people dying there's still people starving they're still not
00:50:29.700
getting the trucks in like they're supposed to uh they're still not holding up to their full end of the
00:50:33.560
argument um they're trying to get lebanon to disarm they're trying to get hamas to disarm
00:50:37.140
right and they use that as justification to keep attacking them so um i think the american public
00:50:42.840
in general um is extremely extremely um fed up with uh israeli influence in our government you know
00:50:50.260
you and and you know the numbers show it you look at someone like a ben shapiro for example right
00:50:54.260
who at one point 10 years ago was the top right-wing political commentator in america you know you
00:50:59.720
couldn't you open up facebook this guy was everywhere he was taking over he was on all
00:51:03.640
the top podcasts um ever since october 7th and people waking up to this problem in america
00:51:08.560
um his views uh have dropped off you know significantly losing subscribers the daily wire is pretty much in
00:51:16.160
in shambles um a lot of conservative talking heads that used to be pro-zionist or you know staying
00:51:21.700
quiet on the topic you look at someone like i'll give you a perfect example right now megan kelly right
00:51:25.500
man kelly's completely switched her tune up she it was a very big supporter of israel was super
00:51:31.360
anti um you know critics of israel um and now she's switching up her tune uh because she realizes that
00:51:38.700
even in the right-wing party uh being supportive of israel unless you're like a retarded boomer is
00:51:43.260
gonna probably cost you some viewership so people that were starting to sign of supporters in the right
00:51:47.960
wing are even starting to switch their tunes up man so i think at this point um you got to be living
00:51:52.300
under a rock to not understand uh where we are in america now like obviously there's still gonna
00:51:57.220
be some boomers that are stupid um but man we we've literally went through like an information
00:52:02.080
revolution over the past couple of years and they keep proving us right whether it's the censorship
00:52:06.360
of tiktok the purchase of tiktok the anti-semitism laws ice officials arresting college students for
00:52:11.900
uh politically protected speech that's critical of a foreign country um you know a lot of the things
00:52:17.080
that came from the um project esther that the heritage foundation wrote back at the end of 2024
00:52:22.200
as trump was campaigning a lot of it's coming coming to fruition now so yeah the writing has
00:52:28.960
been on the wall for a very long time and i think people are finally starting to see to see that right
00:52:32.500
that people are figuring out what the clean break memo was all of this information that was like
00:52:36.880
super adapted super censored super suppressed it's out in the in the limelight now i mean hell the
00:52:42.040
fucking letter to america from osama bin laden went viral a couple of years ago like i never thought
00:52:46.840
i'd see the day so that's where we are in the united states right now um and i'm sure a lot of
00:52:51.820
the um other western countries i know in the uk you guys are getting red-pilled on this i know
00:52:55.100
australia for sure is getting red-pilled on this this is why they also amped up their anti-semitism laws
00:52:59.040
um so i think the western world in general not just the united states is absolutely waking up to
00:53:04.940
um and so myron another question i've got for you is i mean me and you both of us i remember
00:53:17.060
platforming ryan dawson in 2023 talking about 9 11 i almost got canceled i know what happened to you
00:53:22.460
you got demonetized as well in terms of specifically you're looking at you mentioned about tiktok
00:53:28.880
you mentioned about the kind of levers of power they're now basically implementing to make sure
00:53:35.380
they take control back over social media mainstream media you saw what's happened with cbs and barry
00:53:42.080
wise um we're seeing massive censorship do you think that they're going to be able to recapture the
00:53:48.060
audience again or do you think that they've accepted this audience they're not going to take
00:53:52.020
control over and they're looking for the new generation to recapture and retake control over
00:53:56.040
i think they lost the young people man i think um the the unprecedented explosion of upscroll that
00:54:02.600
signified this you know people have you know something like the tiktok uninstalls are up like
00:54:06.800
150 or whatever um i think they've lost the youth man i truly do think they lost the youth and i think
00:54:13.900
also another thing that is making that's accelerating this problem of them losing the youth was the
00:54:18.720
assassination of charlie kirk like uh i don't know if you guys noticed it but i saw anti-israel uh sentiment
00:54:24.620
explode after charlie was assassinated right um and it goes to show just how much power he wielded
00:54:30.940
in uh the american right wing from a social media perspective because before he was killed
00:54:36.120
he was trying to you know kind of reverse and uh massage or try to rehabilitate israel's image with the
00:54:43.520
young people i remember he had done uh like a sit down with a bunch of turning point usa students
00:54:47.560
um trying to get their take on what's going on here we know that he wrote that letter to netanyahu
00:54:51.680
um i think he saw the writing on the wall that like we we need to really do a marketing push here
00:54:56.640
and get things fixed up and when he was assassinated um it led to you know other uh people in the right
00:55:02.040
wing uh becoming more popular we saw the meteoric rise of nick fuentes who's been extremely critical of
00:55:06.720
of israel uh kind of that narrative get out into the into the main uh mainstream for the normies
00:55:12.400
uh we saw tucker crosser start to talk about these problems and other people follow suit so um
00:55:18.240
i think the assassination of charlie kirk played a huge role and um and you know kind of uh israel's
00:55:26.280
being exposed because he did run quite a bit of uh cover for for them for a long time
00:55:31.600
um and and so myron um in terms of going forward now you've got this war with iran coming you've got
00:55:43.060
the us and israel involved you've got basically at what point do you have like a massive campaign
00:55:49.380
against uh trump if this war is elongated i don't think it'll be long but maybe someone like jay does
00:55:56.000
think it's going to be longer maybe boots on the ground if the war does go long term is there a
00:56:01.760
scenario where people turn on trump or do you think that his his approval rate is at a point it's quite
00:56:06.840
low anyway it's not going to drop anymore i think if american soldiers start getting killed um people
00:56:13.440
are going to take to the streets and protest i i both on the left and on the right um i think that
00:56:18.980
will be um if soldiers start dying that's when they're you're going to probably see some real um
00:56:25.680
you know vietnam levels of uh protest because this is this is any this is like uh this is an issue that
00:56:32.620
both sides care about and avoiding so i think um obviously they're going to protest it from different
00:56:36.840
perspectives but they're going to protest the war uh nonetheless so i think um we will not be able to
00:56:42.860
sustain any type of casualties without some like massive backlash especially since trump campaigned
00:56:47.320
on uh no new wars um and then as far as um was you asked me the other question um shit what was the
00:56:55.320
other one you asked me there was a two-part question to there you asked about what how the people
00:56:58.340
will respond and then oh the length of the war yes i agree with you i don't think it's going to
00:57:04.000
be long either they will not they uh and simply put the reason why the conflict won't be long
00:57:07.980
um is because i think a war of attrition actually benefits the the iranians uh and the reason why
00:57:13.020
is because um all they have to do is wait out for the thad interceptor missiles to uh to run out
00:57:18.340
and uh i think i was look i was looking into this like a day or two ago those interceptor missiles are
00:57:23.480
like somewhere between one to 12 million dollars a pop so uh obviously you know using those missiles
00:57:31.020
to intercept twenty thousand dollar drones uh you can't do that forever right you only have a limited
00:57:35.420
amount of time where you can uh you know shoot down these these drones and missiles that it costs
00:57:40.520
significantly less than these interceptors so uh a war of attrition is actually not to our favor or
00:57:45.540
the israelis uh this is why the 12 day war didn't last much longer and why the israelis were literally
00:57:50.360
begging for a for a ceasefire um because they were getting hit really hard and uh they understood
00:57:54.940
that it's only a matter of time uh in a war of attrition that they're going to start to lose
00:57:59.020
actually interestingly enough it benefits the iranians can i ask you a follow-up question on that
00:58:04.460
myron yeah so if america goes in with the goal of toppling the regime or completely destroying the
00:58:12.840
ballistic missile program and the nuclear program and they don't achieve any of those goals um because
00:58:19.600
you know maybe as soon as the war starts up iran starts sending off hypersonic missiles at israel
00:58:26.600
and u.s military bases in the region and we get american soldiers dying and they feel like
00:58:32.740
the only way they can achieve some of their goals is by putting american boots on the ground
00:58:37.620
do you think america pulls back or doubles down and sends in more people boots on the ground would
00:58:43.680
be uh political suicide for trump to be honest with you the boots on the ground would be absolute
00:58:48.960
political suicide if he did that i mean look we're probably going to lose the midterms anyway
00:58:52.840
um but that would yeah i i that would be political suicide not that would have just killed trump's uh
00:58:59.760
image and you know alongside all the epstein stuff that would hurt jd vance too and his you know run in
00:59:05.060
2028 if he tried to so i think that would be a huge huge blunder to try to put boots on the ground
00:59:11.720
and here's the other thing too unpopular opinion here we're gonna get fucked up like you know we could
00:59:16.360
potentially win that conflict but guys keep in mind like you know special forces you know tier one
00:59:21.720
operators were struggling to fight against the taliban in afghanistan you know we're talking about guys
00:59:26.440
using fucking world war ii weaponry right um you know able to hold back the some of the top uh
00:59:34.040
soldiers in the world uh only based on you know the environment you know these these mountainous
00:59:39.080
um environments are extremely unforgiving as far as um for um invading countries right we saw this with
00:59:45.280
the mujahideen and the russians in the 1980s osama bin laden was able to beat and push the soviets back
00:59:51.080
uh using a bunch of ragtag uh militia guys because the environment was so unforgiving for the russians
00:59:56.360
and as an invading country you face a significantly um uphill battle a significantly larger uphill battle
01:00:02.480
when you invade even if you have a superior military superior technology etc the invading country always
01:00:07.000
has a huge deficit to catch up so even with our military might even with our uh with our skilled
01:00:12.180
soldiers we're talking tier one tier two uh operators they're gonna struggle dude they struggled
01:00:16.640
against the taliban uh they're gonna do even worse against the irgc so i think boots on the ground not
01:00:21.620
just as political suicide for the trump administration it's also gonna get our boys and girls killed
01:00:26.160
absolutely and and i don't think that's that's the move if we struggle against the taliban
01:00:29.480
what what if one of the goals is actually to implement that surveillance state and by getting
01:00:35.820
people angry and out protesting and acting a fool gives them a reason to implement that you know then
01:00:42.440
you kind of kill two birds with one stone if the goal is regime change and surveillance state in
01:00:47.840
america and you don't care about the u.s dollar because you know you're planning on inflating the
01:00:52.820
death way anyway i'm a little confused by a question are you saying that like they would
01:00:57.060
send boots on the ground purposely so they could get uh i guess fight an uphill battle take some
01:01:03.960
casualties and use that to justify putting more boots on the ground is that what you're asking
01:01:07.360
no so if you just pointed out how it would be political suicide here in america and deeply
01:01:13.340
unpopular and it would get both the left and the right out into the streets because people would be
01:01:17.860
angry if you look at um you know all the donations that trump has taken from big tech in the surveillance
01:01:24.440
state you know they do need to manufacture consent um you know to implement some of the things they've
01:01:30.200
been working towards with palantir and the other big tech companies so hypothetically speaking if they
01:01:35.820
did put boots on the ground and people started acting up and protesting hard and you know getting
01:01:41.060
crazy in the protests would that not justify um the technology that palantir is trying to implement
01:01:47.040
along with all the other you know surveillance state contracts that have been going out i think
01:01:52.160
they're already implementing it right now and i think minneapolis is probably going to be the the
01:01:56.000
grounds for this we know that um what ice is doing in border patrol is anyone that's like heckling them
01:02:00.960
or following them they're taking pictures of them and they're putting them into a database i you know
01:02:05.280
am 99 sure that that database is probably going to be some type of uh palantir-esque type software that
01:02:12.480
they're going to utilize um to keep a database of uh you know all these progressive agitators
01:02:17.280
uh and these ice raids so they're already collecting it right now
01:02:19.940
touche i mean this would if it does anger people on the right it could actually you know allow people
01:02:30.960
to collect um that info on both sides um but you know i don't think we're quite at the point where
01:02:36.520
they're justified in rolling out everything they want to yet but you're right they have already started
01:02:41.300
down that path so yeah they're they're doing they're just doing it surreptitiously now but
01:02:45.080
they're absolutely um using that and and i know for a fact because i used to work for for hsi i used
01:02:49.360
to work for ice you know all the government agencies have some version of palantir so um i would not be
01:02:54.460
surprised whatsoever and it's a very powerful software um i would not be surprised if they're
01:02:58.800
not using it right now to identify all these agitators put them all in a database and then
01:03:03.080
you know at some point who knows they might do a huge fucking roundup right and pick all these
01:03:07.960
people up down the road do a massive indictment um and grab all these people uh for impeding uh
01:03:14.960
official duties because i think at this point um you know minneapolis finally started using stay
01:03:20.280
and locals to augment what the the feds have going on um but i think at this point they're starting to
01:03:25.200
realize like look these blue cities will leave us out to dry if if uh push comes to shove they're more
01:03:29.920
they're they're more scared of their um potential voter base getting pissed off than law and order
01:03:35.360
so i i would not be surprised if um some indictment comes down the road and you know arrest a massive
01:03:41.280
amount of these people we know the signal chats got leaked we know that they're using this database
01:03:44.580
to identify people so i would not be surprised if there was a massive indictment that arrested a
01:03:48.460
bunch of people all across minneapolis sounds like one of those fema camp conspiracies you're talking
01:03:54.000
about right there man yeah but i mean look when it comes to that i think these agitators are in the
01:03:58.940
wrong uh when it comes to this immigration stuff because a lot of these guys aren't there to actually
01:04:03.780
protest they're there to agitate they're there to start problems they're there to impede law
01:04:07.760
enforcement officials and i know some people here might not agree with me or not not like me saying
01:04:11.700
this um but look dude if you're going to go ahead and put your hands on a federal agent or get in the
01:04:15.720
way of them doing uh immigration enforcement you're committing a felony and people need to remember
01:04:21.200
that um you know illegal aliens being in the united states is a crime you know we've we've kind of
01:04:26.680
blunted our senses to the concept of illegal aliens for so long because so many politicians didn't want
01:04:31.440
to deal with this catch-22 hot potato um of enforcing immigration but you know don't forget that what
01:04:38.260
ice is doing is absolutely lawful and we voted for this in america right you know trump got elected
01:04:43.580
off of you know foreign policy no new wars mass deportations closing the border uh the border down
01:04:50.140
um and he's you know he's done something that he actually you know i got to give him credit where it's
01:04:53.900
due i'm i'm i praise him when needed but i also criticize him when needed when it comes to closing down
01:04:59.080
the border he did a fantastic job the border is closed uh with all those extra assets and border
01:05:03.080
patrol he moved those guys into interior city so that they can actually uh properly conduct interior
01:05:07.800
uh immigration enforcement which is something that is unprecedented that most other presidents have
01:05:11.960
never done um and they're doing that now and obviously they're getting quite a bit of backlash and
01:05:16.280
there's going to be some problems but you know people need to understand that you can't come to the
01:05:20.700
country illegally stay here and think that you're just going to stay and we've uh avoided this topic
01:05:25.880
for so long that these progressives actually think they're in the right by um opposing and or um
01:05:32.240
impeding federal law enforcement as they do their job so uh you know and alex preddy renee good
01:05:38.560
however you might feel about their shootings you might like you know dislike it from a moral
01:05:43.060
perspective you might not agree it might have you outraged that's fine but what we need to understand
01:05:47.800
here outside of how you feel we got to go off what's real just because it's awful doesn't mean it was
01:05:52.960
not lawful and both shootings are absolutely lawful do not impede federal agents as they're you know
01:05:58.500
conducting operations lawful operations and uh you're not going to get shot that's the reality dude and
01:06:03.940
people don't like that but that's the truth both shootings are lawful well i don't know if you heard
01:06:09.680
about trump's new directive um but he did actually just say uh i believe it was earlier today or the day
01:06:16.200
before um that ice officials are no longer allowed to um arrest american citizens and mess with american
01:06:23.520
citizens and they have actually been doing that um they've been attacking people um you know just for
01:06:28.680
filming them and that's kind of what happened with the alex pretty situation so when you say
01:06:33.560
alex pretty was blocking them that isn't really what the video shows they just got upset because he was
01:06:39.880
videotaping them and then they assaulted him and i do understand that there was that other video that
01:06:45.080
came out you know of him a few days ago and there's a good chance that he probably should have you know
01:06:50.400
been in jail or at least been arrested for what he was doing but again that's not ice's job ice does
01:06:57.020
not do arrests of citizens they're there to carry out deportation so they're kind of going beyond
01:07:03.720
that's that's 100 incorrect you're wrong there um that's not true whatsoever if american citizens
01:07:08.280
impede uh official duties they absolutely can get arrested for 18 usc 111 that that is a that is a
01:07:13.940
charge that anyone can get um the only reason ice has been dealing with and or arresting or detaining
01:07:20.340
u.s citizens is because u.s citizens put themselves in between ice and the subjects that they are trying
01:07:25.460
to arrest that is why and that that's that's why some of these people get detained get arrested etc
01:07:30.680
as far as alex pretty goes um the video shows it clear as day a border patrol agent is encounter is
01:07:36.940
in a in the middle of an encounter with a female pushes her alex pretty comes uh walks up to him
01:07:42.780
and puts his hand on the agent and that's when the agent pepper sprays him and a struggle ensues
01:07:47.400
i don't know why you're putting a thumbs down this is exactly what's on the video um you know so
01:07:51.520
that obviously led to that obviously led to an interact uh an interaction where alex pretty was
01:07:57.380
wrestled down to the ground um somebody yelled gun they disarmed him the gun went off as they were
01:08:02.220
disarming him um at the time the agents did not know that he had been disarmed they did not know
01:08:06.200
that the gun that the gunshot that fired was an accidental discharge and they presumed that it might
01:08:11.180
have come from the subject and that's when they fired and uh you know you guys could put thumbs
01:08:15.600
down all you guys want uh but the reality is that law enforcement is not judged on 2020 hindsight like
01:08:19.980
you guys are trying to do right now law enforcement and use of force in general is judged from a was it
01:08:25.240
reasonable based on their perception at the time the shots were fired i cannot stress this enough
01:08:29.320
and this is why you progressives tend to be fucking retards because you guys go off of how you feel
01:08:34.480
versus what's real what does the law say the law says if the use of force was reasonable based on the
01:08:40.040
facts and circumstances known to the individual that exercised that force then the shooting is
01:08:45.160
clear and in this case you got an agitator you got a guy that came up and touched the agent first he
01:08:49.580
assaulted the agent first he committed a felony they tried to detain him he resisted he got uh wrestled
01:08:55.100
down to the ground he had a gun like this is just it is what it is like look we can say that something
01:09:00.580
sucks and it's bad but it's still lawful and alex pretty should have been more responsible and uh a
01:09:06.000
better uh a better judge of how to behave as a concealed carry owner he should know better
01:09:11.960
maran just a quick question uh bringing the conversation back to iran um the um when i look
01:09:19.720
at what's going to happen in iran to me it seems like there is a possibility that you could end up
01:09:26.240
with a syria situation i was obviously against what was happening the rebellion in syria for the same
01:09:31.440
reason because my view was that they would first of all it would be health israel and the second thing
01:09:36.080
is that the situation would be much worse after that than it was before and you saw all these
01:09:41.740
functions go in you saw civil war for a very long time you saw paid mercenaries go in and you saw an
01:09:49.240
elongated world war for 10 years that resulted in so much loss of life so much injuries bringing this
01:09:57.720
back to iran you would have in my view a much worse situation they would fund the mek they would fund
01:10:04.880
the below chistanis maybe even the kurds you basically have and then you had mossad operatives
01:10:10.800
on in the ground you would have cia operatives on the ground you would basically pay mercenaries from
01:10:16.100
central asia or from um you know from the from the turkic regions and you basically would result in
01:10:23.640
probably a much more ferocious civil war because the irgc is very strong the people who are pro-government
01:10:29.800
are very strong the factions who disagree with them are strong and so you could have so much loss of
01:10:37.200
life if this goes a pear-shaped what's your thoughts on that american public's not gonna um stomach it man
01:10:45.400
i i the the wounds of iraq are still very um very deep and and a lot of people are waking up to it
01:10:51.820
now and i think um the youth the young people are going to have even less of a stomach for it because
01:10:56.020
they a lot of these people weren't alive during 9-11 so they didn't get the propaganda propaganda
01:11:01.120
uh you know indoctrination that we got right anyone that that's in their 30s here we all vividly
01:11:06.120
remember 9-11 we all vividly remember you know george bush famous at being at ground zero saying to the
01:11:11.320
firefighters i hear you and the people that did this are going to hear all of us very soon right like
01:11:15.100
these iconic moments right we remember when he addressed the united states uh you know the day
01:11:19.820
the day of 9-11 remember when he was down there in sarasota reading a book to the kids and he gets
01:11:24.680
sold uh you know 9-11 happened we remember all that these young people don't so they didn't deal with
01:11:30.080
the propaganda kool-aid that we did 20 years ago so they're looking at this conflict with a fresh set
01:11:33.960
of eyes and they're like what the fuck are we going to war in the middle east for right weapons of mass
01:11:37.120
destruction that was a lie so i think the american public in general um you know both old and young
01:11:42.600
they're not going to stomach it the older guys like us are going to that you know that aren't
01:11:45.360
retards we're going to be like yep they lied to us about iraq why are we doing this and then the
01:11:48.380
young people they're going to have even less tolerance because they're like well what are we
01:11:51.200
doing here there's no justification like are you guys stupid like you guys got fooled once already
01:11:54.340
so i don't really see any um class of uh american unless you're like a dumb boomer that is super pro
01:12:01.160
israel zionist um supporting this conflict that's an l in every way but real quick i do want to say
01:12:06.000
because it seems like jay scott and dr uh tausa madavi keep uh putting thumbs down when i'm saying facts
01:12:11.440
what is wrong with my assessment of alex preddy because i i've noticed that you progressives can
01:12:15.020
never actually debate me on the facts you guys always use feelings how am i wrong why you like
01:12:20.620
suggest that we're progressives how do you like would how would you say that why would you say i'm a
01:12:26.280
progressive i'm i'm i'm an independent i'm not a progressive but i have seen the video footage
01:12:32.960
of uh what you're describing and the way you're describing it is as if you saw someone's um the police
01:12:40.880
uh a camera they never released it there is reason why they didn't release it i watched the video
01:12:46.920
that was um taken by a witness at the scene and after he was disarmed they shot him three times in
01:12:54.940
okay let's back up let's back up i mean you're now you're now interrupting me i never interrupted you
01:13:01.540
except once but um i just think that so what is your take on january 6th and what is your take on january
01:13:08.440
6th the fact that a lot of those guys were uh conceal carrying and they ran into the help you know
01:13:17.360
whatever and they destroyed property i know i'm not saying i'm for it or against it but to me it's
01:13:24.060
such a hypocrisy that a lot of the republicans uh that were so hung ho about oh january 6th was
01:13:32.480
peaceful how come they were treated that way and they were sentenced to 20 years imprisonment they were
01:13:39.220
illegally carrying a weapon just like this guy was right and uh you know i guess a couple people
01:13:46.600
died during january 6th etc but it's such a hypocrisy that when the republicans do it it's fine
01:13:54.900
but when the progressives or the democrats do it on the other side and they get shot dead it's just so
01:14:01.960
legal like it's totally legal and you can get shot to death by ice or police if you interfere
01:14:09.620
no the police are trained to de-escalate and they didn't they haven't done anything to de-escalate
01:14:17.600
and that woman that was shot in his in her head like execution style um and they did you know the
01:14:25.980
police are trained not to jump in front of a car that is let's say supposedly trying to hurt them
01:14:32.820
but that dude that ice person uh that obviously is not trained well obviously is panicking actually
01:14:41.220
jumps in front of a car that is trying to soar away and go and run or whatever you brought up
01:14:47.540
multiple instances here can we can we focus on one real quick uh you you brought up january 6th
01:14:51.860
you brought up renee good let's stick to let's stick to pretty and if you want to address the
01:14:55.080
other ones we can but let's go off of alex pretty real fast okay i noticed you started the story at
01:15:00.260
the part where they disarmed him but we need to back up if we're going to actually go ahead and
01:15:03.240
properly assess this because the totality of the circumstances absolutely matter okay we can't just
01:15:07.000
start the story off when he's disarmed what led to him being disarmed well he put his hands on a
01:15:13.140
federal agent as a federal agent was dealing with another suspect that is extremely what
01:15:17.960
he raised his hand to stop that uh ice agent hold on stop stop stop what did he do what did he do
01:15:26.460
they were trying to take that woman i don't know what that woman was had done but he would okay
01:15:32.500
that's that's irrelevant so he pushes the woman what did alex pretty do after he pushed that woman
01:15:37.060
what did he do i'm sorry who did what what did okay as ice was dealing with the woman what happened
01:15:43.500
after that well he tried to intervene okay right there shut the fuck up you're done you lost you're
01:15:51.740
done he committed a crime you're done everything that you say from 0.4 it's done it's done use a
01:15:57.840
cuss word against me no because because you're failing to realize that you just made my argument
01:16:01.900
for me look because look look look look look okay woman look look look look see i'm trying to be
01:16:09.020
patient with you and i'm trying to be polite here oh really you don't realize you don't realize that
01:16:13.140
you just made the ice is and can you can you can you move this for a second as if like okay because
01:16:19.880
here's the problem let's have a proper conversation yeah so here's she doesn't realize that her entire
01:16:26.220
argument is done off of that as soon as alex pretty walked up to that border patrol agent and put his
01:16:33.060
hands on that border patrol agent as he was dealing with someone else he forfeited all privilege all
01:16:39.760
right to you know continue doing what he was doing because at that point now he's officially interfering
01:16:44.860
now here's the problem right she wants to sit there and say oh well he should be able to do that
01:16:50.400
with no consequence no you cannot put your hands on a federal agent as he's dealing with someone else
01:16:55.120
and then think that nothing's going to happen and as soon as he did the agent pepper sprayed him
01:17:00.180
rightfully so you cannot put your hands on a federal agent as they're there lawfully conducting
01:17:04.100
some type of immigration enforcement operation it does not matter what he was dealing with the woman
01:17:08.040
for we that that's not relevant what we do know is that that guy walked up to him and touched him
01:17:12.040
first at that point it's done you have no leg to stand on legally so yeah so your framing is wrong
01:17:17.100
you know i don't i know it's a lot of videos that have been going around however the alex pretty did
01:17:23.800
not walk up to the agents the agents walked up to him because they didn't want to be videotaped and
01:17:28.760
what they were doing you just said yourself that they're making up a database of everyone who's
01:17:33.720
videotaping them um so the last thing they want is to be watched right now and the truth is what i saw
01:17:40.580
was a man videotaping him then the officer comes up to pretty and as he comes up let me finish let
01:17:46.620
me finish let me finish what i'm saying let me finish what i'm saying and as he as he walked up to
01:17:51.180
as he walked up to alex pretty then they both seem to have put their hands on each other at the same
01:17:57.640
time and they're at no point did the officer say stop you are under arrest from that point it went
01:18:04.720
straight to throwing them on the ground beating them up next thing you know they disarm them and then
01:18:09.160
shoot them and your description of alex pretty's gun going off and then the officer firing is also
01:18:15.380
not what i have seen i heard that theory going around but if you zoom in and you watch what actually
01:18:21.400
happened it seems like every shot that went off went off from the same gun and it happened after
01:18:27.620
alex pretty was disarmed so you're framing of the whole situation let me finish what i'm saying
01:18:32.880
you're framing of the whole situation is wrong and if the government actually wanted to get to the
01:18:38.360
bottom of it what they would have said was hey we're sorry alex pretty is dead we're going to do
01:18:43.480
an investigation at this time we feel like the agents acted properly however we are going to do
01:18:49.440
an investigation to get to the bottom of it and if it turns out the officers were wrong we will hold
01:18:54.760
them accountable but that isn't what happened all they did was jump in and instantly let him respond
01:18:59.260
because you made about three or four points yo you're fucking lying dude like yo so i'm gonna give
01:19:03.700
you uh the clip right now and you could put it in the nest i've actually seen the clip marin and even
01:19:07.960
though i have a different opinion to you on this i agree with you in terms of the first bit so if you
01:19:13.340
look at the first bit of the video and i think this is why it's really important to be honest even if
01:19:17.160
we're in disagreement uh if you look at the video what happens is he is pretty who moves towards
01:19:23.340
the ice agent because the ice agent is pushing that woman so this claim that the ice move towards
01:19:30.000
pretty is false after that i that's a different conversation obviously i'll let you go on but
01:19:34.300
that specific bit where you're saying that ice move towards press pretty is just dishonest so yeah
01:19:39.360
it's a lie and that's why like see here's the thing if i'm gonna go ahead and debate these people
01:19:43.520
we need to have uh actual uh argument based on the facts and these guys are completely omitting
01:19:48.420
an extremely critical fact as i'm on stream right now i'm literally having it play
01:19:51.840
and replay you can clearly see he pushes the woman and alex pretty puts himself in between
01:19:56.600
the agent and the woman that's when he gets pepper sprayed so for all you guys saying oh you're the
01:20:01.440
facts aren't right blah blah none of you know what you're talking about as soon as he put a hands on
01:20:05.680
the agent it was done okay the only thing there's no legal ground the only thing on the hands and the
01:20:11.080
agent is from it's that one is not fully clear because what i've we've seen it from a few angles
01:20:17.840
joe holds the position that actually uh the agent did it first and we try there's no angle from the
01:20:23.420
front i think we would know unequivocally if there was an actual angle from the front uh do you get
01:20:28.580
i'm trying to say from there where the i mean bro you can see it i'm literally replaying it on my
01:20:33.080
stream like you can see it clear as day he pushes the woman she falls to the floor and then he
01:20:36.900
immediately gets it between her and and the guy and between her and the agent and then he gets
01:20:41.640
pepper sprayed immediately after doing that so like i'm just gonna get the video up that you've
01:20:45.840
got which video are you looking at okay i'm gonna give you a link right now give me one sec i'm gonna
01:20:50.120
literally give it to you so everyone here can look because these people that i'm debating with are
01:20:53.540
fucking lying and it's annoying because it's like we're not even debating the facts anymore
01:20:56.360
they're coming up with some may believe um set of facts and circumstances that just simply
01:21:00.960
aren't true and anyone that has two sets of eyes you can see that literally um the aggressor here
01:21:07.760
was um this guy pretty coming up to the agent you can't touch a federal agent and not expect to get
01:21:13.420
you know fucked up to some degree you can't do that so give me one sec i'm gonna literally give
01:21:17.640
you it's a five second clip january 6th we're not talking about january 6th why are you moving the
01:21:23.060
goalposts to january 6th no one's talking about january 6th because it it has nothing to do with
01:21:27.840
this conversation that has absolutely that has absolutely nothing to do with our discussion
01:21:33.680
on alex pretty and immigration enforcement that has nothing to do with it so so so i just so i'm
01:21:39.680
getting the video up i just yeah i just gave it to you if you could put it in the fucking uh in the
01:21:44.080
nest so everyone that's watching this can see you can see it clear as day it's a five second clip
01:21:49.080
he pushes the woman right he pushes the woman and then alex pretty gets in between them it's clear
01:21:54.600
as day like i don't want to hear anything from these libtards they don't know what they're
01:21:57.600
talking about i'm just gonna put the tweet in the nest one second uh i'm doing it right now
01:22:03.400
and then i was gonna go through it grew through it with myron as well so so let me just um
01:22:10.400
slow-mo this so we see um basically this guy he's first of all alex pretty is hugging the first woman
01:22:18.740
and the second woman is pushing so he moves away from the first woman towards the second woman
01:22:25.400
the officer at one second now and it is pushing the woman alex pretty definitely moves towards and
01:22:32.960
this is why it's really important to be honest like i like exactly i disagree with like the net
01:22:38.000
the with the overall like what i said but like i'm always honest about what i said that i think that
01:22:43.120
impacts credibility uh so there you can see alex is uh moving towards the agent um and then
01:22:51.040
one second i'm at two seconds see wait so yeah can you see at one second myron yeah when it goes to
01:22:58.600
one second it looks like he's touching him but if you look at the other angle because the angle you
01:23:03.280
can't fully tell so it looks like in the left hand he's about to touch it him he doesn't end up
01:23:07.740
touching him with his sorry with his right hand i think it might be one second let me get this right
01:23:10.720
again uh he right i'm sorry it looks like he's gonna touch him on his right hand he does move his
01:23:16.840
left hand in between but i'm saying like it's not definite that you can tell that he pushed him
01:23:22.740
because if you look at the agent's left hand he pushes well and so i'm saying i'm a bit agnostic
01:23:27.160
he doesn't he doesn't have to push him as soon as he put hands on him it's over
01:23:30.340
it's done so i'm saying i'm saying i'm not sure if pretty actually put hands on him
01:23:35.180
and that's the bit are you trying to say even if the agent touches him first and then pretty
01:23:40.060
responds with his hands on him that then is the issue is that are you looking at the same video
01:23:46.060
i'm looking at the five second clip it literally yeah he gets in between the woman and the agent
01:23:50.980
and he puts his hand on the agent first he closes the distance agent pushes her and he gets right in
01:23:55.640
the middle we're in agreement about him closing the distance i totally agree with you on that one
01:23:59.620
that bit we're not in disagreement about and then what happens is if you look at it i paused it at one
01:24:04.320
second i don't know if it might be like one point something at that point his right hand isn't
01:24:08.660
touching the agent it looks like it may have done because just from that angle but it's actually not
01:24:13.360
touching it his left hand is now moving between the agent and the chick and then what happens is
01:24:19.300
there is left hand is moving towards it then what happens is you can see um where's it gone
01:24:26.240
the guy's left hand now you can see it touches can you see the guy's left hand is definitely touching
01:24:33.300
the agent but the agent's hand is already touching the agent look look i'm gonna be let me be very
01:24:38.040
blunt about this because i'm the only person that actually worked in law enforcement and understands
01:24:41.300
this on a very deep level as soon as you get in between a federal agent dealing with another
01:24:47.320
subject you are impeding and you committed a crime and that's what alex pretty did and then
01:24:52.700
everything that happens after that it is what it is to be there to be there protesting is one thing
01:25:00.060
but then to put your hands on a federal agent as he's dealing with another subject while you're
01:25:04.460
armed as a ccw holder is 50 iq behavior absolutely stupid okay so some iron on that just three points
01:25:12.380
so i agree with you that he moves towards the agent and i agree with you that he impedes sorry
01:25:19.120
he has no leg to stand on he impeded the agent it's over like yeah i know we can have an argument
01:25:24.980
on morality or was it the right course or whatever but from a legal perspective as soon as he did that
01:25:29.640
he forfeited all leverage done yeah and i and i think i brought a lot of people up that day to
01:25:34.580
debate you on the legal aspect and all of them kind of end up agreeing with you but i'm just saying
01:25:39.060
about this specific thing there's three aspects to it the first one is did he move towards the agent
01:25:42.960
yes he did the video clearly shows that did he impede the agent as in going between the agent and
01:25:48.420
the woman yes he did you can i'll be honest about that the third point is did he touch the agent that
01:25:53.400
one i'm agnostic about that's the only thing i'm saying okay well i mean you know you don't have to
01:25:57.820
i can see him touching the agent with his left hand but that that's or right hand i forget which
01:26:01.860
hand it is let me look at the thing again so so really quick you know i required yeah so he puts
01:26:07.560
his hand okay at two seconds you can see he has his left hand on the agent his right hand has the
01:26:14.800
phone and his left hand is i know why you're saying that i know why you're saying that because it's the
01:26:19.040
angle but actually the only way you would know if he's touching or whether it's very close to him but
01:26:23.480
not touching is if you had the angle from the front is what i'm saying okay either way him putting
01:26:28.220
his hand like that to try to get himself in between the agent and the woman is impeding
01:26:33.060
irrelevant of him touching him touching him is not necessarily required for him to impede the law
01:26:38.920
enforcement officer so uh it's kind of a moot point yeah but yeah i agree i agree so on that one i'm
01:26:45.180
saying you debated many people on this space the other day even people who vehemently disagreed with you
01:26:51.220
even joe who researched you so much and they all capitulated to your point on that and i was like
01:26:55.400
why are you capitulating you guys acting like bad men for two days so that but that's i'm not and that's
01:26:59.900
why because like these people that are arguing me jay scott and dr madavi like you guys like you guys
01:27:06.460
don't even know that alex got in between so we can't even have a rational conversation because you
01:27:11.080
guys think that the agent is the one that closes this is when it was really alex pretty and this is why
01:27:15.100
you know it's such a pain and acid debate progressives because you guys live in your own little
01:27:18.700
looney tune world where you guys aren't even going to look at visual evidence that he is the one that
01:27:23.840
impeded he impeded so he forfeits all privilege bro he forfeits so so so you keep calling us
01:27:30.060
progressive and number one um i did i will i will admit i got that wrong but dr padavi did actually
01:27:36.280
say from the start that um you know she agreed that the ice he did go up to the ice agent so she and
01:27:42.420
her not have the exact same position but but but hold on let me finish let me finish what i'm saying
01:27:47.420
let me finish what i'm saying no no because no because if you go and do a quick analysis of when
01:27:55.100
officers and agents have the right to use lethal force they have to be under the assumption that
01:28:00.440
there's a lethal threat to their life at no point did alex preddy present any form of lethal
01:28:07.060
lethal threat to the officers um you know life so there was no reason for him to be executed so
01:28:13.420
i can see to you i think it's always good to go with one item at a time rather than like okay so
01:28:19.820
first so first you guys so you guys can see that the alex preddy did initiate this and did impede so
01:28:24.400
honestly i shouldn't even be talking to you guys anymore because you already lost the debate but
01:28:27.500
let's go ahead and go through this again um so he has a gun on him okay off of that alone
01:28:33.440
okay that justifies deadly force okay um the officer didn't know that they yelled gun while
01:28:40.600
they were while they were dealing with him that was after that was after they already assaulted him
01:28:44.680
and had him on the ground if he did something illegal the first reaction should have been you
01:28:48.180
are under arrest not beating the guy up assaulting him so pepper spraying him and grabbing him by the
01:28:54.420
hand doesn't that imply that they're trying to detain him at that point and he resisted like don't you
01:28:58.420
don't know at some point don't officers say you are under arrest stop put your hands behind your
01:29:04.200
back they don't know any of that we don't know any of that and guess what they have the body cam
01:29:09.020
footage but they won't release it because they know it will only embarrass the officer and they
01:29:14.720
probably need to put criminal charges against it are you looking at the video i am looking at that
01:29:19.740
video okay at exactly four seconds what does the agent do he grabs his left hand and what does he do
01:29:25.320
he tries to put it behind his back to try to detain him as he's pepper spraying him with his right hand
01:29:30.460
now we don't know what verbal commands he gave at this point but whether he gave the verbal command
01:29:35.180
or not uh when they grab your hand and try to put it on your back of common sense individual be like
01:29:39.660
oh they're you don't know you don't know what he was trying to do there are holes that people put
01:29:44.560
people in when they're trying to do that they didn't put george floyd in handcuffs when they had
01:29:48.960
their knee on his neck so you don't know what exactly they were trying to do to him and unless the guy
01:29:54.160
says stop you are under arrest put your hands behind your back he is not he is not handling that
01:30:00.660
situation properly i will no you don't you're not law enforcement so number one you don't even you
01:30:04.360
can't even make that call now i'll tell you what he was doing he was trying to put him in what's
01:30:07.080
called a pod a position of disadvantage okay whether you go all the way and uh put handcuffs on him or not
01:30:13.480
that's irrelevant but you can see right away he pepper sprays him and tries to force him to the ground
01:30:17.580
as he grabs his left arm presumably to put his hand behind his back that's when he starts to struggle
01:30:21.800
okay law enforcement is taught whenever you have someone like this that's a male that can pose a
01:30:26.680
physical threat to you right remember he's dealing with two women and then notice how he immediately
01:30:30.160
zeros in on alex preddy after this is common law enforcement training you must deal with the biggest
01:30:34.480
threat first an able-bodied male is obviously going to be a bigger threat than two women this is why the
01:30:39.000
agent puts all his attention on preddy as he pepper sprays him and tries to bring him down to the ground
01:30:42.600
which is called the position of disadvantage okay now we could go ahead and argue about verbal commands
01:30:47.320
all the other shit which i guarantee there are probably verbal commands given here because law enforcement
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is literally trained as they pepper spray you or use some type of force to give you commands as they
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do it but let's assume that he's not even giving commands it doesn't matter because they're grabbing
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him and trying to bring him to the ground and he resists okay then as he resists right that's when other
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agents come in someone says gun all right but unbeknownst to the law enforcement officials because
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there's like seven of them there someone disarms him and moves the gun away the gun goes off the other
01:31:16.340
people that were dealing with the suspect right but we don't know you're you don't know that's what
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happened when you said the gun went off you're making an assumption there an investigation would
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actually reveal whether there was two different guns that went off or if it was the same gun because
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the analysis the analysis i've seen said all the shots came from one gun it was confirmed that the
01:31:37.340
six hour went off there was an accidental discharge the gun that he has is notorious for misfiring and
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having ad's the gun went off and that is what prompted the agents to shoot also another important fact
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that you guys you know are conveniently omitting here is that as alex pretty was on the floor uh
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struggling with the agents he was moving his right hand in a way where they didn't know what he was
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doing and the agent that shot him shot him from his left so if you see someone reaching on their right
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hand side right whether they have a gun or not that's not that that doesn't matter someone could
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presume after being heard after being told gun gun gun and hearing a gunshot that this might be the
01:32:14.340
firearm that they're talking about and that's why they shot him okay now we find out later that he
01:32:19.000
was reaching for a magazine or something else but you don't have to be perfect when it comes to use
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of force was it reasonable for the agent to shoot given all the facts and circumstances let's go
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through this he grabs an unreleased subject subject doesn't want to comply he struggles with him as
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they get him down to the floor when you're but there was no orders to comply with there was no
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orders to comply with marriage dude shut up dude like you're just like at this point like what
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he's literally grabbing him by the arm of pepper spraying him well like come on dude let's use
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some common sense here why is he pepper spraying him trying to get him to the ground like an assault
01:32:49.860
to me okay anyway um now you're just being difficult for no reason so anyway as he's down on the floor and
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he's struggling the agent can't see what's going on on the right hand side because he's on his left side
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he just heard the command of he just heard someone yell gun they disarmed him unbeknownst to him
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a fire a shot goes off they presume oh was that the gun from this individual we need to shoot him
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and that's what happened dude and look it's all based on objectable reasonableness and perception
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at the time when he shot the shot the shots it was a reasonable thing to do at that time because
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they did not know that he was disarmed well listen what what i will yeah yeah one second we're just
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going um i am going to be wrapping up the space soon so beatrix did you have a question then if
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not and then i want to bring it back to iran and then wrap up soon so go ahead beatrix yeah i just
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have a few points um myron i think this is a really interesting discussion myron so i think there's a bit
01:33:48.580
of confusion around this and i'll tell you why because um whatever perspective you take on the video
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because there's there's quite a few videos that have been released from different angles and i've
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seen um official accounts um government accounts saying um and i'm quoting verbatim
01:34:10.060
tweet saying if you approach law enforcement with a gun there is a high likelihood they will be legally
01:34:18.940
justified in shooting you don't do it and these comments from official government accounts and
01:34:26.300
community noted saying the u.s constitution and then it says um the um and it says in brackets
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particularly the second fourth and 14th amendments prohibit officers from shooting citizens
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merely for possessing a weapon that is not an imminent threat this was reaffirmed in graham
01:34:53.080
versus connor which says force must be reasonable so they're actually saying it has to be an imminent
01:34:59.820
threat now personally i didn't see an imminent threat there but let's just say that's because
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you're speaking from a 2020 hindsight perspective it's easy for you to say that you don't see an
01:35:09.740
imminent threat when you're looking at multiple camera angles and you have that privilege i understand
01:35:13.600
i understand let's just say let's just say what matters is this if you resist law enforcement
01:35:17.780
while armed they're going to assume that as an imminent threat done no no no no but let's just
01:35:22.740
say there's a difference of opinion there okay um your opinion is irrelevant because what matters
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is the perception of the person that shoots let me just continue let's just say you're right
01:35:31.140
hypothetically it doesn't matter what your opinion is like it does not fucking matter
01:35:34.940
myron it's not my opinion i'm just giving you the community note i've got a broader point here
01:35:39.620
let's just say hypothetically there's a difference of opinion let's say they thought it was an imminent
01:35:44.440
threat or whatever it was okay that's just a for me that's a like um a side point okay let's just
01:35:51.760
say hypothetically right there was an imminent threat okay um i think the issue here is that there was
01:35:58.780
this there's quite a few mixed messages and i'll tell you what it is firstly the um for whatever reason
01:36:05.820
um the um the footage from the um the cameras of the ice agents hasn't been released okay so i think
01:36:18.560
that doesn't help there's a legal aspect spread out so differences aside okay um i think that
01:36:26.140
uh genuinely um some some other people unnamed people may be um protesting ice tactics because
01:36:35.820
u.s citizens have been arrested by ice and this is documented and they're u.s citizens and i think
01:36:45.680
the procedure is terrifying completely irrelevant i think that i think the aftermath and there's
01:36:52.000
just a few issues i think the way that the aftermath of the
01:36:56.140
it's from the leadership and and i mentioned this the other day in terms of the language the rhetoric
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used i mean they could have said look you know um ice agents felt threatened by um
01:37:09.700
was best in the circumstance sorry for the family blah blah blah we're gonna have a full investigation
01:37:20.020
but what we get as the first sentence is he was a domestic terrorist which just inflames things
01:37:25.900
because some people may be agitators but people are genuinely concerned that u.s citizens are being
01:37:33.700
arrested and then on top of that mixed messages none of this matters dude yo look look look look look
01:37:39.540
like let me just finish please let me just you're making a bunch of points that have nothing to do
01:37:44.260
with the facts no no but let me just finish please just a couple of more i don't care what people
01:37:48.560
said about him being a domestic terrorist all of that is completely that's fine let me just look
01:37:53.460
why do you guys keep bringing up things that are completely irrelevant to the shooting
01:37:56.380
myron you've got an ice background right 20 20 hindsight man like we do not care about 20 20
01:38:03.060
hindsight you guys keep bringing up what was said after the fact what christy noem said what trump
01:38:07.340
said nobody gives a fuck none of that matters what matters is this what did the portable trade agent
01:38:12.220
know at the time he pulled the trigger that's the only thing that matters in this case okay
01:38:17.380
myron let me let me just finish this has been extremely painful and ridiculous because i got a bunch
01:38:23.200
of foreigners that don't understand the second amendment trying to tell me about use of force
01:38:26.720
in the united states from a law enforcement perspective i don't want to sound like an
01:38:30.200
asshole or appeal to authority but quite frankly all of you are speaking from an extremely limited
01:38:34.300
purview and none of you know what the fuck you're talking about so this has been extremely painful
01:38:38.360
for me to sit here and explain this to you guys my children and you guys still don't understand this
01:38:43.620
because this is a concept that none of you can grasp myron listen to me i've listened to you i've got a few
01:38:48.000
more points to make so there's no points that you're making you're not making any points at all
01:38:53.060
my chat is losing their minds they're listening to you guys speak and they're like why the fuck are
01:38:57.500
these women talking myron i'm happy to listen to your response but let me finish so you're not
01:39:03.460
making any points from trump this is about illegal ice can arrest your citizens ice can enforce
01:39:09.740
immigration ice was lawfully there these individuals impeded them done and the story myron let me just
01:39:16.120
finish please right so last week um trump said illegal immigrants right some of them can
01:39:24.180
yo i i'm gonna give you 20 seconds to say what you gotta say i'm gonna give you 20 seconds
01:39:29.980
say in 10 seconds last week from trump so the whole thing here is about this is what you said
01:39:41.640
illegal immigration last week trump gave mixed messages and said you know what those that are
01:39:50.100
working even if they're illegal okay i gotta refresh my page she's kind out
01:40:04.740
bro oh my fucking god dude holy shit people are stupid as fuck like this is extremely stressful
01:40:14.380
uh i don't know why twitter's acting fucking retarded let me let me close this tab yo chat
01:40:22.520
oh my god dude holy fuck like this is incredible how stupid people are
01:40:29.740
in fucking credible there is nothing worse than having triple digit iq and talking to people that
01:40:38.520
have single digit iq bro in fucking credible who um ready um if there is an attack on iran we will
01:40:50.280
start the space immediately um oh byron uh we are wrapping up is there anything you want to say the last
01:40:56.520
look man uh it it's amazing to me how everyone is talking about january 6th talking about trump
01:41:03.540
statements after christy noem statements after and none of that matters dude and the fact that
01:41:08.360
people keep moving the goalposts and aren't talking about the lawfulness of this shoot versus all these
01:41:12.640
other factors that have absolutely nothing to do with the shoot um just goes to show that quite frankly
01:41:17.940
uh a lot of you guys are in your emotions and can't process raw information um and look at things
01:41:23.660
objectively and it's actually been extremely painful um and shows me how stupid a lot of
01:41:27.620
progressives are no offense but some of you guys are fucking retarded this is incredible guys we
01:41:31.540
are going to be wrapping up the space i appreciate coming on marion appreciate every single person
01:41:35.380
who came on the space ryan dawson and fucking credible and fucking credible how stupid people
01:41:40.440
are that is fucking painful dude like i show the fucking evidence that the guy closed the gap like
01:41:49.120
how many more fucking times do i have to show that video right and they're still sitting here arguing
01:41:53.800
with me and i'm just like what niggas are retarded bro fuck holy shit let me fix my audio give me one
01:42:23.200
leveled right there audio should be a lot better sorry about that guys okay we're good here yeah dude
01:42:30.280
holy shit chat like that was fucking painful man that was i fucking hate stupid people dude
01:42:37.200
holy fuck man that's why dude like a lot of these progressives are fucking retards man
01:42:43.880
like they're so stupid every single person i've debated on this topic gets smoked because they
01:42:48.760
can't stick to the facts they just cannot stick to the facts bro so dumb so fucking dumb and it's
01:42:56.960
always brits it's always these fucking foreigner brits these pro-palestine retards like holy fuck
01:43:02.700
dude all right anyway uh let's read some of these chats
01:43:07.140
fucking shit man okay send her back to the kitchen where she belongs yeah the sheer inability
01:43:15.500
these people to process logic is incredible wow i'm appalled uh this bitch man yeah bro mikey says
01:43:21.340
these liberals foreigner and women are retarded keep cooking them yeah they're stupid dude land the
01:43:25.140
plane or crash it command arian i love how uh everyone arguing from the left assumes that perry was a
01:43:30.600
fucking uh retard and didn't understand basic law enforcement he was a veteran that also had a
01:43:34.920
he knew damn well what he was getting into yep uh been seeing how uh people summon netanyahu like
01:43:40.660
he's god calling him net uh where's the video alex recorded i'll it will exonerate him sure they
01:43:46.360
would release that just like they released a video of goods partner uh bro is a george floyd
01:43:50.720
sympathizer that's how you know he's low iq oh really uh please let these idiots know what an
01:43:55.160
officer has to treat physical conversation as if a gun is involved yeah bro they couldn't even
01:43:58.440
understand that what is your recommendation of vets that want to join ice uh well might be tough for
01:44:02.820
you now notice that the majority of people who celebrated kirk's death are aggressively protesting
01:44:06.460
ice or women why because women are stupid uh fear i i fucked a cuck's wife and nut in her what the
01:44:11.180
fuck husband is rich and old but she fucked me because i'm 25 w me uh bruh what the fuck okay
01:44:22.420
relax don't know if you already brought it up but apparently the u.s went into scotland and took
01:44:26.880
people maduro style uh should we m subscribe shout out to you i want to capitalize what stocks should
01:44:33.720
i be uh against before this war happens uh fear do you cheat meals or is that gay um i mean if you're
01:44:42.160
doing a prolonged diet yeah you'll probably have to do refeed days what does war mean for economy
01:44:46.680
will it get bad or does it won't affect uh us that much it'll be bad for economy oscar says um
01:44:52.800
just a question about your merch i order same merch and notice they're not using the nike
01:44:57.980
anymore the two i got with the same material as the fresh fit merch are they going back to nike
01:45:01.380
no no not no more nike hoodies they wrote us a letter they're pissed off w frank send them back
01:45:06.220
i live in a building next to america's social few blocks uh okay we're good i think we're caught up
01:45:10.080
here okay marion can you cover the sean grayson update don't throw water at cops even boiling water
01:45:14.740
um i i i last time i checked he got uh he got convicted uh that beatrix kiddo girl is notorious
01:45:24.100
for yapping yeah bro fucking retard dude brought up a whole bunch of shit that doesn't matter
01:45:27.960
like they're just completely obfuscating bring up like january 6 or whatever so stupid dude so fucking
01:45:34.940
dumb um dude i fucking hate stupid people bro hey stupid people bro woman is horrible at measuring
01:45:46.300
threats uh these are the same creatures that are dangerous but still get shit faced at three
01:45:50.040
in the morning trump said he's going to announce his fed chair replacement tomorrow morning where
01:45:54.240
should i start to become a personal trainer which agency should i get certifications from i need the
01:45:58.140
three main ones man nasm whatever but i don't suggest you become a personal trainer in person dude
01:46:01.580
you're gonna be trading time for money that just sucks um shout out to uh username on kick
01:46:07.920
with the five gifted shout out to all you guys on kick that are supporting um how long have we
01:46:14.220
been on now we've been on for hour 45 okay um let's see here so what we're gonna do guys let me see
01:46:23.540
here we're actually gonna get into the news we're gonna move on to kick guys okay doing an experiment
01:46:29.260
as you guys know we're gonna move on to kick and oss only okay uh does not make sense for me to be
01:46:35.200
on fucking youtube that much longer as you guys know i'm demonetized on this bitch uh and these
01:46:39.940
niggas are robbing me blind so uh just come on over to uh to kick we're gonna keep streaming over
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there and then we're gonna finish off on oss so come on over and i don't want to have to censor
01:46:51.260
myself too it's fucking annoying having to censor myself um hassan got banned on twitch we'll talk
01:46:56.920
about that too so uh mods drop the kick link for them drop the kick link okay we are going to get
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off all the platforms except kick and oss okay we are trying something new we are going to cover
01:47:13.620
soy boy kyle kolinsky's talking points because he said some wild shit and we'll come back and revisit
01:47:20.380
uh this whole thing but i'm gonna end youtube guys uh here in a second so guys come on over to kick
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