The REAL Reason Tariff's Ended. Dave Smith vs Doug Murray BREAKDOWN!
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In this episode of the podcast, we have a special guest on the show, george gammon. He is a YouTube personality, entrepreneur, and financial market analyst who has been making a name for himself in the financial markets by his live streams on what's going on in financial markets and what's happening in the bond market.
Transcript
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yeah so george gammon i've got a few youtube channels one is uh just my name george gammon
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where i do whiteboard videos on economics and all the topics that are kind of hot in the news right
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now on bloomberg cnbc etc and then i've got another channel rebel capitalist where i do live streams
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kind of daily on what's happening in financial markets and i've got rebel capitalist interviews
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where i interview people like lynn alden uh chris mcintosh brent johnson jeff snyder
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on the topics that we're going to be discussing today so um and again i got to give you a credit
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because you know i'm super excited for this interview and i was like in my head there is
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no one better that could talk about what the hell is going on than you because i think there's a lot
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more to this whole tariff situation and us backing out and i'll quickly give the audience a summary of
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what happened basically we're supposed to impose tariffs um reciprocal tariffs and everything else
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like that to all these different countries to fix a trade deficit but uh what ended up happening was
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trump walked it back the only thing he did was kept the tariffs in place for china and pretty much
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alleviated the rest of the countries of any real responsibility for tariffs so um you know he
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mega idiots are trying to say oh yeah this was like 5d chess blah blah but i think if you kind of
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you know look at the numbers and crunch things and kind of analyze it like you do um you will
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see the real reason to happen here and i know i noticed that a lot of the mainstream media isn't
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really covering specifically why they backed away from this so uh yeah man i'll just let you kind of
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take it away like you can explain what a tariff is how we got here or what their real strategy was
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and why they're backing out well i let's start kind of in reverse order sure when they when trump
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came out yesterday and said okay we're gonna reduce the tariffs except we'll exclude china for a moment
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here but we're going to reduce all the tariffs down to a 10 percent kind of baseline uh a lot of people
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thought that was part of the plan um i think just if you use some common sense i don't know why you
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would reduce the tariffs before the negotiation process was done so just just based on that when
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he came out and said okay i'm dropping the tariffs that told me okay he was probably forced to the
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negotiating table or there was something that incentivized him and this was not actually part
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of the plan and that made a lot of sense to me because of what's been happening in the bond market
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so most people have been really hyper focused on the stock market because it's not been going down
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it's been going up it's basically a a roller coaster ride it's like six flags or something yeah
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there's a lot of volatility to say the least in fact the fear gauge that we call it the vix
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uh this measures volatility in the market that got up to 60 which is right up there where we were
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during the gfc okay and and and so uh you know how we got here with the tariffs is you had you know
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china as an example uh had an x tariff on some sort of good coming from the united states
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so in theory that hurts our exporters and uh then you've got china having some benefits like
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lower wages and they don't care about the environment and you know some people say that
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they're a currency manipulator and therefore you know china's taking all these manufacturing jobs that
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we want here in the united states and therefore we need to tariff them uh just to combat all of their
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cheating and uh because they subsidize right back because they sorry because they subsidize some of
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their their um businesses right but the government does i mean so they're able to subsidies and low
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wages i mean there's a lot of things that give them an advantage but myron i think the easiest way
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to look at tariffs as far as should we have reciprocal tariffs now let's compartmentalize here sure i'm not
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talking about a negotiating tactic i think tariffs are a very good negotiating tactic but let's just
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focus on whether they're good economic policy okay and most people think they absolutely are because it
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protects the american worker and uh you know protects manufacturing etc but what you have to realize
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is it also impacts united states buyers so just because uh you know china or argentina or malaysia or
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vietnam just because they have a tariff on u.s uh goods coming into the country it doesn't
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necessarily mean that that's not a net drag on their economy because sure it might benefit some
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people it might produce it might benefit their producers but at the expense of everyone else so as
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an example right here in the united states with you know contrary to popular relief we've had
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tariffs for a long long time uh way before trump especially on ag products coming in from countries
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like argentina so we have 4 900 peanut farmers in the united states myron and uh the highest tariff on
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peanuts coming from countries like argentina is 131 percent okay so what this does and the reason we have
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to have that is because if we didn't artificially increase the price of peanuts then those peanut
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farmers in the united states would suffer so let's just assume for a moment the additional tariffs you
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know the 131 percent on a lot of the peanuts that are coming into the united states let's just say
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that that increases the cost of a jar of peanut butter by two bucks okay well the united states
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buyers of peanut butter we buy about 578 million jars of peanut butter every single year so if you add two
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dollars to the cost that means there's over 1.1 billion dollars that the average joe and jane we're not
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talking about wall street fat cats or hedge fund managers or anything like that we're talking about
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the poor middle class and everyone else uh they're paying an additional 1.1 billion dollars for their
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peanut butter just to prop up 4900 peanut farmers so that's why it's so important that people do a cost
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benefit analysis and is there a benefit to these peanut tariffs that we have absolutely there is of course
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just ask one of the 4900 peanut farmers but is there also a cost and when you look at the costs
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in this especially with this example it's obvious that the costs far far far outweigh the benefits
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so before we go any further i just wanted to set up that example because i think that illustrates why
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it's so important that we look at things through the lens of trade-offs yeah and i think um i'm really
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glad that you use that peanut example because that's literally because i was talking about this
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the other day um tariffs are typically designed to protect an already established industry and protect
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them like hey we're going to put tariffs on this specific product that we already make to protect
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the worker but the problem is that if you just do general tariffs like we've been doing you just like
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there's no specificity so it's not refined it's very crude uh and it's difficult to really assess
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things from a cost-benefit analysis like you're saying right now would yeah but even if you protect
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that worker it's at the cost of someone else within the domestic economy so it's it's not clear to me
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that uh tariffs are just a net benefit to society at large even if you're you know even if china is doing
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it it's not clear to me that it's a net benefit but let's just assume for a moment that you're able to
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drop all tariffs down to zero so china has no tariffs and the united states has no tariffs on
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china so we actually do have um let's just say free trade well a lot of people would argue that china
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still has they're still quote-unquote cheating as what trump says all the time so they're doing all
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this cheating well how because they're using child labor let's say or they're not acknowledging or they're
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not abiding by uh environmental laws they're manipulating their currency they're doing all
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these things that give them an advantage and therefore then we have to have a tariff against
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them because there's no way we can compete because there's they're doing all these nefarious things
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as you know that give them a competitive advantage this is another argument and so what i want your
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viewers to think about kind of a thought experiment because and this is the best way that i can describe
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it let's think about basketball most people understand the game of basketball so you've got
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shaquille o'neal all right now shaquille o'neal if i remember right seven foot two he's huge he's a massive
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guy so he has all these things that give him an advantage so in this case china would be shaquille o'neal
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okay because instead of being seven foot two they've got cheap labor they've got the environment
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all these things that we just discussed right now does that mean that the only way that we can beat
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shaquille o'neal in a game of one-on-one is to have another seven foot two guy no yeah because we've got
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a guy named michael jordan now michael jordan is not seven foot two let's just say he's six foot six
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yep but if i'm betting on a game of one-on-one between michael jordan and shaquille o'neal i'm
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taking michael jordan every single time no offense to shaq but i'm taking jordan every single time
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right so my point there is if you want to bring jobs back to the united states if you want to compete
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with china if you want to do all these things we don't have to do what they're doing because there's
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an argument that that's a net drag on their economy so what we can do is we can we don't have to beat
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them at their own game which is central planning we can beat them at our game which is free market
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capitalism so as an example what we can do is we can reduce regulations we can reduce bureaucracy we
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can reduce red tape we can go ahead and reduce uh you know the income tax of the corporate taxes
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and the most important thing we can do myron is create certainty okay not uncertainty yeah that's
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because there's a hierarchy here right so let's assume that one of your viewers or you know you
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guys can go through this thought experiment as well that you're considering investing a billion dollars
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in setting up xyz manufacturing plant you know to build shoes or something like that in uh north
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carolina okay so there's a hierarchy there if you don't have certainty as to what the rules of the
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game are going to be or what the political environment is going to be or what the economic
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environment is going to be over the next let's just say five years you ain't going to do it even if you
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have the advantage of the protectionist tariffs and even if you have the advantage of lower regulation
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and let's just say lower taxes you're still not going to do it so you have to have certainty number
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one then the next uh which was the higher and real quick and that's just just because trump's tariff
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plan was not like um he didn't stand on it so if he's not making a certain then it's like how can a
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business say oh yeah we're going to go ahead and bring jobs back but he's going back and forth on
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his tariff stuff is that what you mean the the the example i there was a visual i like to use in my
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videos is he's like a guy with a snow globe you know those snow globes that you just oh yeah and
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all this stuff goes all around yeah that's what he's doing he's like taking this snow globe and just
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again it might be fantastic for negotiation yeah it might be part of the art of the deal it might be
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part of his 5d chess yeah but the bottom line is it creates a massive amount of uncertainty not just
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in the stock market but with investors with entrepreneurs with business owners with corporations
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who are the guys and gals at the end of the day that actually have to make that decision as to whether
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or not they want to build that shoe factory in north carolina so the first thing you have to have
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is certainty the next thing you have to have to make us michael jordan is reducing the rules
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regulation that's going to give us the agility the speed through free market capitalism to not only
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compete with china but to beat china okay the next thing down you want to get rid of taxes
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and then if you want to go down down down the list then maybe maybe uh if they're done in a clever
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way you could argue for tariffs i still think on net it would be a negative but there's an argument
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there but you have to have all these things in line first yeah and if your approach to your point
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if your approach is the snow globe then it doesn't matter what you do with the lower priority things
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you're still not going to get the objective because you don't have sufficient certainty
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in order to incentivize those producers to produce in the united states another thing you need myron
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is you you cannot have tariffs on raw materials so i don't i mean you know who mr beast is i'm sure
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all your audience knows who mr beast is he uh has a company called feastables okay and his main product
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as far as i can tell are are chocolate bars so he's competing with hershey and whatnot so he had a
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tweet the other day where he was talking about how because there's these blanket tariffs on everything
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including raw materials it's actually still cheaper for him to manufacture outside of the united states
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and bring those chocolate bars into the united states even with the tariff because there aren't
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tariffs on all of his inputs that go into making that chocolate bar to begin with gotcha see so and and
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i think so now that we've kind of set the table if you want to i can get into what's happening more
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specifically with the bond market that i think uh really prompted trump to bring those tariffs down
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and bring them down quite dramatically yeah no if yeah if you could please go into that because um
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you know people are trying to say it's 5d chess and i was like no i think because i knew something
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about the bond market because his head economist guy is a dude named stefan moran and you know and i could
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kind of tell you what i thought it might be and then you could correct me if i'm wrong basically
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this guy harvard grad he's the guy that pretty much wrote up this whole tariff plan a guy named
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stefan moran for the audience that are watching he wrote a paper back in like 2024 talking about how
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tariffs would be critical to basically bring it down the value of the dollar to break to stabilize
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interest rates um because apparently our our dollar has too much buying power he wanted to decrease it
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so that we can use it to uh you know cut down the deficit with the trades it's it's a very convoluted
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complex strategy that he had but basically that's the guy that is in trump's ear telling him what to
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do so i kind of went to the source and i was like oh well this is a little weird i don't know if you
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want to kind of make sense of that of where the hell this idea came from and then go into the bonds
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but whatever you think is easier to explain to audience i didn't read the white paper from steven
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moran okay that you're referencing but uh i think the overall administration has been explicit
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and their desire to bring down interest rates okay and to bring down interest rates they want to
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reduce the debt uh or they want to reduce the deficits and their plan is you know these tariffs
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they'll increase the tax revenue they'll bring a lot of these factories back to the united states
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so then we can lower income taxes uh we can lower income taxes on corporations and that will give them
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that incentive that they need to manufacture here and then what happens as we build more and more
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here we reduce the deficits the trade deficits now what i'm talking about we reduce these trade
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deficits that's going to reduce our tax revenue because we're making so much from the tariffs
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themselves but we're going to be subsidizing that replacing that with the additional tax revenue
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that we make from all the manufacturing that's happening in the united states and then we're more
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self-sufficient uh and then all the kind of the talking points that you hear about that's their
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argument yep as far as i can tell and then they want a lower dollar because that gives the manufacturers
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in the united states a competitive advantage over those uh over the chinese or vietnamese or because what
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that makes u.s goods cheaper relatively speaking on the global stage if the dollar you see if the dollar
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cheaper so yeah and what and here's the thing i had to go digging for this information like you know
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if you go on fox or like their interviews they just say they basically keep it simple we're going to
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bring back more jobs to america they kind of end it there right um but then i said you know what let
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me look at this a little bit further when i saw them pull back from the tariffs and that's when i found
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out who this stephan moran guy is i looked at his paper a little bit i researched him and i found out it
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was more about um leveraging our reserve currency status to bring our value down and um and basically
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get it where we want to extort the entire world to pay us since they use our reserve currency versus
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actually manufacturing jobs so that's kind of what i took away from it but you mentioned the bond market
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is a critical reason why they backed out if you can explain real quick what a bond is what the bond
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market is just assume here no one knows anything about this sure yeah so when i'm talking about the
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bond market i should be more specific i'm talking about the treasury market okay and so the treasury
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are though although corporate spreads have blown out as well we can talk about that later but the
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treasury market really trades on especially so when we're looking at the treasury market there's several
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different treasuries with different maturity dates and what is the treasury a treasury is just
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u.s government debt gotcha so if we run a deficit let's say that we spend a trillion dollars but we
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only bring in 500 billion in tax revenue well we have to borrow we have to borrow 500 billion dollars
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so what we do is we issue a treasury or treasuries for that 500 billion dollars so we sell those
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treasuries it's basically an iou it's an iou and then the market buys the treasury because we pay an
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interest rate and then we get the 500 billion that we need to uh bring our total amount that we have
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up to a trillion dollars because that's what we're spending so it's it's basically like if i was uh you
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know if i needed a thousand dollars and i went to you and said hey myron let me borrow a thousand bucks
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and i'll give you this iou and i'll pay you four percent uh that that is basically what a treasury
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is but you're just getting that from the united states government okay yeah no absolutely and and
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just so and i'm assuming that this this treasury um when people buy it it's multiple people that
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are investing into this treasury it's not like one entity right well yeah you i mean you you've got
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treasury you've got one month treasuries that mature in one month okay so that would be like me
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borrowing money from you from one month uh and i could borrow money from you for 30 years
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gotcha so it's everything from uh i forgot maybe a week or four weeks all the way out to 30 years
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and and so what you're doing is you're looking at all these different prices and all these different
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interest rates for all of these different treasuries whether it's a two-year treasury whether
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it's a one-month treasury a three-month a one-year a 30-year they're all going to be different because
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let's go back to the example where i'm borrowing money from you if i borrow money from you for one
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month you're going to let's say charge me one percent interest if i borrow money from you for 30 years
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you're going to charge me a much higher interest rate because you've got a lot more risk that i don't
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pay you back yep over time you see right and then you've got inflation risk and you've got all these
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other things so what we're doing here is we're looking at the yields and how they're moving
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in the treasury market specifically or more importantly in this case
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at what we call the long end of the curve which would be just the longer maturing do you have a chart
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on this by chance sorry do you have a chart on this by chance you could show on screen or
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i can show you a 10-year treasury yeah and what's the what it's done as far as the yield let's do that
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yeah just so they kind of understand what you're talking about from a visual perspective
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so we can do a screen share so this is just a one-month chart can you see that myron yep i got it
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okay so this is a one-month chart of the 10-year treasury yield so um just one more thing to
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highlight before we get into it there's an inverse relationship between the yield and the price
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of the treasury so if the yield goes up then that means the price of the treasury is going down
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and if the yield goes down that means the price of the treasury is going up and the yield is when when
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uh it matures no the yield is just the interest rate that you're being paid for owning that treasury
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okay so so one more time as the yield goes uh up you said as the yield goes up the price goes down
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gotcha okay so uh and if i can explain that it's it's pretty easy actually yeah so if you've got uh uh
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uh if you buy a four percent treasury that's paying you four percent and let's say that uh interest
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rates go up to 4.5 percent well no one's gonna buy that treasury from you because it's yield it's only
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yielding four percent gotcha why would they do that when they can just go out to the market and they can
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buy one at 4.5 so what you have to do is you have to lower your price you've got to lower your price
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to the point where your treasury is now yielding 4.5 percent based on the price that you lowered it to
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gotcha see so that that's how it works so going back to what we were saying why you would charge me
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more for a longer term loan that's why the when you look at the 10-year treasury and the 30-year treasury
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we call this the long end of the curve longer maturing treasuries that's why they're really
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impacted by what the market expects inflation to be because myron if if i borrow a thousand dollars from
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you and you expect inflation over the next 30 years to be 10 percent well you're going to charge me more
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than 10 percent yeah right because you've got to make at least 10 percent just to break even yeah
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on your purchasing power yeah so you're going to charge me 15 you're going to charge me 20 something
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like that now if you think that uh inflation over the next 30 years is only going to be one percent per
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year okay well now maybe you're going to charge me five percent you see because that inflation expectation
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goes down so when you have the the stock market just completely selling off i mean i'd like to remind
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people that on friday the dow was down by 200 uh 2200 points 2200 points i mean these are moves that you
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only see during like the cerveza sickness during uh the gfc during the dot-com bust in fact the one-day move
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there in percentage terms was higher than anything that we saw during 9 11 oh wow that tells you the
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severity of what was happening last week and the the continued volatility that we have today we had the
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trump you know come out and make that announcement yesterday and it's true the market just skyrocketed
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but then it comes plummeting down today uh you know it was down i think a thousand points or something
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like that so you just have this up and down and up and down this is massive massive uncertainty
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and when you have uncertainty in markets what happens to inflation expectations they go down
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they go down because what you're doing is you're increasing the probability that we have a recession
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okay and in a recession inflation doesn't go up in a recession inflation goes down yep because buying
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power goes down and this is one of the reasons why interest rates were so low after the gfc because we had
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that recession and we really didn't recover i mean we got to a point where we are you know positive real
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gdp growth but we didn't really recover like we were prior to the gfc so interest rates remained very
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very low because inflation expectations were incredibly low gotcha so if you have and and let's not just
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look at the stock market let's look at the oil market now i don't know if if if you've noticed
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this but the price of oil has come down by like 20 percent oh wow over the past week or so i didn't
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i did not 20 percent move in oil i down do you have that on a chart by the way or no sure if if you don't
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yeah wow i i didn't even look at the oil market everyone was reporting on the stock market no one talked
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about oil or treasuries oil and oil and bonds more important okay oil and bonds more important don't worry
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we're gonna get to why the trump administration backed out here in a second he's just explaining
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to you guys because these are all very important concepts to understand before he explains look at
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this move my oh that's a one-year chart let me just focus on the one month look at this oh wow we go
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from 71 just straight down to 60 and today actually we were trading in the 50s at one time we were trading
00:30:01.060
around 59 and then the other day i think that was on monday or maybe it was even yesterday we were down
00:30:06.900
around 55 so what what does this mean so when you go into a recession what happens for demand for
00:30:14.980
energy it plummets yeah it plummets so this is why you see the price of oil go down you see the price of
00:30:23.140
commodities go down such as copper because you're you're reducing aggregate demand going into recession
00:30:30.660
and inflation expectations come way way down right so what we're looking at here is the stock market
00:30:40.500
collapsing and increase massive volatility which is leading which you see in a bear market usually
00:30:46.580
leading to uncertainty we see the oil market crashing which would uh which would lead you to believe
00:30:54.180
that the oil market is predicting a recession we saw copper prices coming way down as well which would
00:31:01.860
tell you the exact same thing the oil market is telling you so in this environment myron what you
00:31:08.740
would expect is for yields to go down and to go down huge yep why because inflation expectations
00:31:18.020
are coming down so now let's go back to the 10-year treasury yield and see what it's been doing recently
00:31:27.620
and then we're going to tie all this stuff together okay so we go back uh let's just say one month
00:31:35.860
and here is where we bottomed out in fact we were intraday we got all the way down to i think
00:31:42.500
3.85 something like that and that was on either friday or monday and since that time yields have done
00:31:54.900
the exact opposite of what you would expect based on everything else that we just discussed they have
00:32:01.620
not gone down they have not stayed flat they have skyrocketed now this doesn't look like too big of an
00:32:07.940
increase for the average viewer we went from four percent up to 4.42 which is uh you know 42 basis
00:32:15.380
points this is a massive move a massive move in the bond market you just you just don't see this in
00:32:24.820
fact on because bonds are traditionally more stable which is why people like them right so this is huge
00:32:29.220
for for bonds because they're literally designed to be stable that's right so remember guys if the yield
00:32:34.740
is going straight up to this degree what's happening to the price down it's going straight down it's
00:32:41.780
going straight down so was this because other countries were dumping their treasuries
00:32:48.660
part of it okay but it it but the the narrative around that is incorrect and here's why because the
00:32:56.100
narrative is that china and japan and all these countries are just mad at the united states and
00:33:02.180
they're just pissed off at trump so they're like trump we'll get you we'll just dump all of our
00:33:06.740
treasuries that that's that's not what's happening they're not selling because they want to they're
00:33:12.900
selling because they have to they don't have a choice they absolutely do not have a choice so why
00:33:18.420
are they forced to sell because when you have this type of uncertainty in the global monetary system
00:33:24.820
myron the the the banks freeze they don't do anything which is understandable right if you ran
00:33:33.460
a bank you'd probably doing the same thing right now you'd be on the sidelines saying there's no way
00:33:37.700
i'm gonna lend yeah because i have i don't know what's going to happen right so what you have is the
00:33:43.380
circulation of dollars globally stops stops and if the circulate or it slows down if it if it stops or
00:33:54.180
slows down what that means is all these producers in china in japan in malaysia indonesia that need
00:34:02.740
dollars to buy the commodities that go into all the stuff they are manufacturing they don't have the
00:34:10.900
dollars they need they're so what they have to do is they have to take anything on their balance sheet
00:34:17.460
they have to sell it to get those dollars and what you see is them selling treasuries they they have
00:34:24.900
to sell those they don't have a choice and that's why you often in crisis situations see gold go down
00:34:32.100
as well it's because it's the exact same thing myron these huge financial institutions these mega
00:34:38.420
corporations all over the globe they're having to sell anything on their balance sheet that they can
00:34:44.500
to generate that cash because there's a shortage of circulation of dollars so they sell gold or in
00:34:52.740
this case they sell treasuries so what so this move in is is not about inflation expectations because if
00:35:01.700
it was you know most people say oh well the tariffs are going to create inflation so the yields are going
00:35:07.460
up no no no no if that was true oil wouldn't crash by 20 percent no oil would be going up it wouldn't
00:35:14.820
be going down same thing with uh with copper right so you look at this say okay it's not inflation
00:35:22.340
expectations and then you have to go to the next logical conclusion and that is that there's just not
00:35:28.580
the dollar circulating globally in the monetary system because of the risk because of the uncertainty
00:35:34.900
and those entities within china within japan within malaysia wherever they are around the world
00:35:41.700
they have to sell the treasuries that they do have on their balance sheet because again they have to
00:35:46.740
have those dollars now there's another component to this iron and here's where it gets a little
00:35:52.820
more complicated but we can describe it in a way that's very very easy to understand there's something
00:35:58.580
called the basis trade which sounds very complicated but it's actually not it's where
00:36:03.860
these huge hedge funds borrow billions and billions and billions of dollars in fact the basis trade now
00:36:12.020
is up over a trillion dollars so what happens is a one of these huge massive hedge funds can borrow all of
00:36:22.660
this money to buy treasuries let's just say the 10-year treasury at a price of 99 we'll just use that as
00:36:31.780
an example to keep it simple but what happens in the futures markets sometimes futures contracts for
00:36:39.860
those same 10-year treasuries are trading at a premium so there's a lot of different reasons why
00:36:46.100
and unfortunately it all involves other entities and counterparties taking even more risk they're
00:36:52.980
leveraging up so so let's just say you could buy a futures contract for a 10-year treasury but the
00:37:01.780
price is a hundred dollars so what the hedge fund does is say okay well we'll just go ahead and buy today
00:37:08.900
for 99 and then we'll just sell you a futures contract that matures in let's say a month for a hundred
00:37:16.660
dollars and we're going to go ahead and pocket the spread but keep in mind the hedge fund isn't taking
00:37:23.220
their own money to buy the 99 treasury they're borrowing it they're borrowing it so because they're
00:37:32.340
what we call picking up pennies in front of a steamroller because what because since they use so
00:37:38.180
much leverage just a small change in the price can force them to sell that treasury that they have
00:37:47.780
so you say what would be a small change in the price a small change in the price myron is if you saw
00:37:55.620
like a one day move of 10 basis points we are seeing one day move if we go back to monday we saw
00:38:04.500
a one day move of like 35 basis points in the 10-year treasury so all these hedge funds that have the
00:38:13.300
treasuries that they bought on on margin panicking you know with leverage they just blow up and they and
00:38:19.300
they end up being forced to sell those treasuries so again whether it's these huge hedge funds
00:38:27.220
that are over leveraged and taking all this risk or it's uh you know xyz producer in japan or china
00:38:35.220
or whatever it is that has to have dollars so they're selling treasuries the bottom line is what's
00:38:41.540
going up is not a result of uh you know inflation expectations with tariffs it's and it's not a result
00:38:48.980
of people wanting to sell treasuries it's a result of people having to sell treasuries so the fact
00:38:57.140
that you've got these big financial players that are that where it's obvious where they're forced to
00:39:02.100
sell these treasuries because there's a lack of dollars circulating we call it a lack of liquidity
00:39:07.700
that's where you take a potential recession and turn it into a potential depression if not potential
00:39:15.780
global financial crisis and if you if you i don't know if you've got that um what i i i sent you but
00:39:24.260
it was funny guys just so you know you want me to fire and text me uh this morning and was asking me
00:39:29.620
about it and he said what what do you think the the cause of this uh kind of backpedaling with trump
00:39:35.380
was i can put on screen right now let me let me get it i told and what i tell you my i said the bond
00:39:40.180
market yep the bond market and then no more than 10 minutes after after i text that to you
00:39:48.820
sure enough the headline on cnbc was trump says the reason he backed off the tariffs was because he
00:39:56.420
didn't want to turn a recession into a depression and then the very next key talking point from some
00:40:02.580
guy in his administration said that they were very concerned about what was happening in the bond market
00:40:10.180
exactly what we just uh described because if you think about it it makes sense trump you know he
00:40:16.420
wants to play hardball he wants to negotiate a better deal but the but the last thing that he wants
00:40:22.020
is to be remembered as the president that brought on a gfc 2.0 or brought on you know the great
00:40:32.260
depression like we had in the 1930s so if the stock market goes down by 5 000 points he could care less
00:40:38.180
you know he told that explicitly but if the stock market goes down by 5 000 points you're not risking
00:40:43.860
a global financial crisis yeah i'm getting it right now the bond market does the same thing
00:40:50.420
now all of a sudden you're you're risking the monetary system you're risking a financial crisis
00:40:56.740
you're risking all these things because the bond market is so much more important than the stock market
00:41:02.660
and it has so much more systemic risk so i got it up on screen right here uh this is what you're
00:41:07.940
talking about right the audience can see it too now um i don't know if you can see it no it's on my
00:41:13.460
screen well it's the picture you read those key talking points yeah from cnbc that yeah i got up on
00:41:21.780
yeah so uh the the audience can see it there in fact i can just i can look at my uh our text and i can
00:41:28.180
and i can read it it says here key points president donald trump was aware the economy could enter
00:41:33.140
a recession but uh wanted to avoid a depression from his tariffs according to wall street journal
00:41:37.140
report kevin hassett director of the u.s national economic council told cnbc on thursday that the
00:41:42.740
collapsing bond market contributed to trump's decision to walk back his trade policy bam literally
00:41:46.980
yeah you texted me that and then you sent me this like a few like a few minutes later yeah and and
00:41:51.700
and it's it was it was funny and and uh to be clear super clear again if the if the stock market
00:41:59.460
blows up that's not going to be a gfc that's going to be a dot-com where you just have what they call a
00:42:07.220
balance sheet recession where you know you have a recession but it's not that big of a deal the the
00:42:11.860
big losers there are just people that own assets wall street let's say main street suffers a little bit
00:42:18.580
but not that much when the bond market blows up that's when you get a gfc where it not only impacts
00:42:26.180
wall street but it probably more so impacts main street and that's what trump you know he got the
00:42:33.140
tap on the shoulder uh from whether it was besant or someone else uh that saw the same price action
00:42:40.340
that we were just referring to and obviously that's when trump realized that uh you know he's got to pump
00:42:46.900
the brakes shit so you think that was really so the bond market pretty much you think was because
00:42:53.140
basically clearly they didn't anticipate this happening yeah and and that's and now they're
00:42:58.260
just trying to market it as something else that it's that it's not to kind of avoid egg on face or
00:43:04.660
um you're talking about the administration and how they're i mean i think they're being pretty honest
00:43:10.100
yeah quite frankly if if that if if what we just read from cnbc if those were direct quotes from
00:43:17.700
donald trump and from people in his administration i think they're being very forthright okay okay
00:43:24.820
because um some people were i mean i was looking on twitter people were saying oh yeah this 5d chess
00:43:29.620
like this was to figure out which countries uh you know oppose us which countries actually stand by us
00:43:35.060
right it was a test and stuff like that i know some other people reported that just listen don't
00:43:39.620
listen to george gammon don't listen to myron just if if you're in that 5d camp just listen to what
00:43:45.540
donald trump is telling you donald trump is literally telling you that the reason he did it was not 5d chess
00:43:52.500
not because this was part of the plan it's simply because he was okay with a recession but he's not okay
00:43:59.540
with a depression that's literally what donald trump is telling you and then one of his advisors
00:44:05.780
specifically references why we might go into a depression and that was the bond market so don't
00:44:12.900
listen to what we're saying right listen to what donald trump and his staff is telling explicitly telling
00:44:19.140
you now obviously walking back you know tough talk about tariffs and everything else like that because
00:44:24.660
he had said i think it was like monday someone at the white house asked him hey you know are you
00:44:28.900
gonna are these tariffs gonna be long term are you guys gonna you know maybe come to table and they
00:44:33.380
were saying like no we're standing firm on these tariffs even israel they didn't you know change
00:44:37.460
their stance on tariffs with israel so to me i'm like okay you're saying you're not gonna walk it
00:44:42.260
back you're saying this is gonna stick um you're you're showing this tough posture to the world and then
00:44:47.300
you walk it back what does trump walking back this this um this policy what does that do for us from for
00:44:55.300
for the future whether economically geopolitically diplomatically um you know i i just can't think
00:45:00.980
of a plus in my end uh from a geopolitical sense of international trade how this can benefit us i
00:45:05.700
can see how we avoided uh a depression but from on the world stage i think we look weak with this what
00:45:10.900
are your thoughts on that yeah i think he has a lot a lot less leverage because like you got to put
00:45:16.420
yourself in the position of someone that's negotiating with him yeah like if you're the guy that's
00:45:21.220
negotiating with him from malaysia or vietnam or whatever and he just backpedaled you're like oh
00:45:27.780
okay i get it now and you know and and now i'm going to be a lot less concerned especially if the
00:45:34.580
stock market continues to go down or we we continue to have problems uh lack of liquidity in the bond
00:45:41.460
market i mean if we have if you still if you see interest rates continue to rise like they did today
00:45:47.140
here we're at 4.42 if i'm that malaysian guy i don't know that i'm doing that much bargaining
00:45:54.340
with him because i know he he doesn't really have much leverage at all because he has to tap out just
00:46:02.900
based on on what the bond market's doing and he's already shown me his cards he's shown me his cards
00:46:09.460
like while we're in the poker game and a lot of people said that well you know the whole point was
00:46:14.420
to bring people to the negotiating table and i understand that argument but the last thing you'd
00:46:19.140
want to do is to reduce your leverage before you get done negotiating like like you don't want to
00:46:28.020
you don't if you have this leverage you don't want to bring them to the table and then while you're in
00:46:34.020
the process of negotiating bring down the like that's not what you want to do yeah you don't want
00:46:39.700
to bring those down or you don't want to reduce your leverage until a deal has actually been done
00:46:46.180
so but again don't take my word we don't have to speculate on this trump told us he did why he he told
00:46:53.060
us exactly why he did it and um now but do i think this is a positive i do and i think it was the right
00:47:00.900
move uh for trump to curve back to put the 90-day delay absolutely okay yeah absolutely you got to pump
00:47:06.820
the brakes here uh maybe we take a slightly different approach and uh you know it shows
00:47:12.580
that he doesn't want to risk a gfc 2.0 and it shows that he is cognizant of the bond market and i think
00:47:20.020
all those things are extremely positive and i would hope that i don't think he will but i i would hope that
00:47:28.820
he reevaluates the strategy for bringing these manufacturing jobs back to the united states
00:47:36.580
and when i say that i i would hope that he hears this or someone presents the idea to him that hey
00:47:45.220
in order to compete with shaquille o'neill we don't have to be shaquille o'neill
00:47:50.900
we can be michael jordan and if we're michael jordan we've got a much higher probability
00:47:56.340
than beating shaquille o'neill even if we tried to replicate some big guy that's seven foot two
00:48:02.820
and wears a 22 size shoe right so and and what i'm saying there specifically
00:48:10.020
in economic terms is maybe he reevaluates and says okay instead of the tariffs maybe what we
00:48:16.500
should do is we should start on the hierarchy that we talked about instead of doing tariffs first
00:48:22.660
maybe we should work on the certainty and then once we get the certainty maybe we can work on
00:48:29.140
reducing the regulations the bureaucracy red tape which which is basically building a michael jordan
00:48:36.660
economy you see and then we reduce the taxes now you're building now you know if you reduce the
00:48:43.620
regulations and the uncertainty we got michael jordan when he was playing for north carolina kind of like
00:48:48.100
the example you gave us with the peanuts we have an established industry that we've already have an
00:48:53.060
infrastructure for if we tariff that it makes sense because it protects that industry and it's more
00:48:57.860
refined specific to that industry versus kind of this just general tariffs all over the place would
00:49:03.140
that be fair to say i don't even know because uh let's look at the peanut farmers as an example
00:49:08.340
4900 peanut farmers uh you've got a few ways uh what we're doing there with the tariffs myron is
00:49:14.660
we're making them shaquille o'neal okay i'm saying that instead let's make them michael jordan there's
00:49:21.380
obviously massive amounts of regulation bureaucracy and red tape that they have to deal with so let's
00:49:26.340
take that away so they might not have the benefit of five dollar an hour labor but they have the benefit of
00:49:33.780
not having to compete with producers that are in countries that are communist or socialists
00:49:40.500
or have central planning and have like china net net drag and then what you also do is although you
00:49:47.460
can't compete they can't compete as far as labor where they could compete is all their other input
00:49:53.460
costs because remember whether you're a farmer in argentina or you're a farmer in kansas you still have
00:49:59.460
to have a giant john deere tractor there's no getting around that right so if you don't if your country
00:50:06.100
doesn't have any uh tariffs that make that john deere tractor more expensive then that's going to give
00:50:14.260
another advantage to that american producer so i i would much rather go that route than the route of the
00:50:22.740
tariffs even um using the example of the the peanut farmer shit man okay so i guess because i know you're
00:50:33.780
short for time here so if if someone just walked into the stream right now can uh you know oh
00:50:40.420
what's going on here we got george gammon in the house and they're like why the hell did trump back
00:50:44.580
away from these tariffs um what would what would you be i guess your uh succinct um summary it's easy it's
00:50:54.340
easy myron it's because the bond market was blowing up and when the bond market blows up you risk a gfc
00:51:02.420
when the stock market blows up global financial crash right gfc yeah you you risk 2008 2009 gotcha
00:51:10.580
if anyone saw the movie the big short that's what we're talking about when the bond market blows up
00:51:16.580
you get the big short movie right michael burry i'm sure we've all seen it when the stock market blows
00:51:23.220
up if it's just the stock market then you just get a dot-com bust where it impacts wall street but it
00:51:30.260
doesn't really impact main street but if the bond market blows up you get the big short which impacts
00:51:36.420
wall street but it impacts main street to an even greater degree so when trump is sitting there with
00:51:44.740
his advisors and they're looking at the stock market go down they don't care they absolutely
00:51:49.140
don't care i think they were being honest but when they see the bond market blow up now all of a sudden
00:51:54.340
it completely completely changes the game and notice that was on monday right and then very
00:52:00.900
quickly after we saw that huge move you know the day the day after he comes out and decides to to to
00:52:07.060
backpedal there and it's because and he explicitly said because he's cool with a recession but he's not
00:52:13.300
cool with a depression and when the bond market blows up you risk a depression when the stock market blows
00:52:19.460
up you really only risk a recession gotcha and wow and and that is because bonds are looked at as
00:52:27.380
the safest asset class to invest in so volatility there basically creates uncertainty to an i guess
00:52:34.420
maybe a dire level would that be fair to say uh the easiest way to look at it is the trade that the
00:52:40.020
treasuries that we were talking about underpin the entire global monetary system okay everything
00:52:48.420
everything they underpin the entire global financial system so it's like uh that jenga puzzle
00:52:56.500
going back to the big short right so you got one jenga puzzle piece that if you pull out that piece
00:53:03.860
the entire thing comes down that one last jenga piece are treasuries that's a treasury market so you
00:53:12.500
pull out that piece and the whole entire house of cards comes crashing down if you pull out the the
00:53:18.820
stock market junk jenga piece nothing really happens other than just kind of wall street loses and you
00:53:25.780
get a little bit of a mild recession like we saw during 2000 and 2001 and real quick before you go can
00:53:31.940
you explain the difference between a recession and a depression the two are often conflated in casual
00:53:36.340
conversation but just for the audience from an economic perspective what is the official definition for a
00:53:40.820
recession versus uh depression a recession is what we had in 2000 2001 and it would be in a more severe
00:53:51.300
recession would be what we had in 2008 and 2009. what we had in the 1930s was a depression gotcha so i
00:54:01.060
think the the the formal definition is if the unemployment rate gets up over 20 percent okay and
00:54:08.900
i said 20 percent to zero right not 12 20 percent then that with some other uh contributing factors you
00:54:20.580
know that go into the equation but i think that's the biggest component that would be the the the difference
00:54:26.740
between a recession between a recession and a depression recession you know you've got two
00:54:31.460
negative quarters of real gdp unemployment goes up to let's say eight nine ten percent something like
00:54:36.740
that a depression is when the recession gets so bad that unemployment goes up to 20 25 percent
00:54:44.740
which is what we saw during the great depression so if you want to think about the u.s economy right now
00:54:50.340
and if you think that it's okay it's not doing that great it's getting harder to get a job it's uh or
00:54:57.300
if you're in the camp that it's kind of contracting and we might be going into a recession keep in mind
00:55:02.900
that's with unemployment at 4.2 now do that same thought experiment where unemployment is 25 percent
00:55:09.940
yeah what does that economy look like yeah holy we're talking about the quarter of the workforce out
00:55:15.460
nobody yeah okay shit so we basically okay so the depression takeaway way worse and um and we were
00:55:26.340
you know trump was willing to go into recession but he was not willing to go into depression and it seems
00:55:30.340
as though his administration did not foresee the treasury market taking like this and that's what
00:55:35.220
basically forced them to kind of halt what they were doing because like you said before i love the
00:55:40.100
jenga analogy used the treasury market basically is the market that takes the whole jenga piece down
00:55:45.460
that's right fair enough um he is george gammon thank you so much for coming on the show man i know
00:55:50.260
you're short on time and you got to go but um i think that's really important for the american public
00:55:55.060
to understand um you know what's what's really going on here a lot of like the magatars are trying to
00:56:01.300
come up with other theories as to why this happened um but no and then i think we'll have you on fresh
00:56:06.020
and fit for monday for money monday right okay yeah yeah yeah so text me about it and i appreciate you
00:56:12.340
having me on myron and uh i'm always happy to come on and and discuss these macro topics and real
00:56:18.180
quick work because i'm on my myron gains x channel we got like four or five thousand people watching
00:56:22.100
live right now as we speak okay uh myron gains x where can the people find you george now uh rebel
00:56:29.060
capitalists on rumble nice rumble i'm getting my youtube channels taken down by by youtube unfortunately
00:56:35.540
what so i'm trying how you don't even swear you're like the most clean cut polite guy ever
00:56:42.660
i know and this is the stuff i talk about non-stop now yes somehow financial is yeah but anyway i'm
00:56:50.180
still on youtube at rebel capitalist and george gammon they've just been taking down my foreign language
00:56:55.140
channels so hopefully they won't touch my english channel but uh my point there is is it's a little
00:57:01.620
tumultuous with uh youtube so i'd prefer that if you're gonna find me go over to rumble and subscribe
00:57:09.620
to my rebel capitals channel and that's where you'll get all my whiteboards all my live streams and all
00:57:15.300
the interviews that i do awesome so we'll have george on for money monday on fresh and fit uh next monday
00:57:21.780
guys uh 8 p.m george thank you so much for coming on the show guys go check them out literally probably
00:57:26.660
whenever i have uh you know complex economic questions i go to george uh you know i just
00:57:31.220
talk to him because he can explain all this stuff so thank you so much for coming on the show brother
00:57:40.420
all right um w george guys bear with me here as i put my camera back on uh
00:57:50.500
yeah i i wanted to surprise you guys on that one um i was locking him in for the show and i was like
00:57:58.340
you know what let me just bring him on uh give me what's the chat if you guys enjoyed that you know
00:58:03.940
uh or give me twos if you you know you're pissed off i don't know um but yeah i don't think you guys
00:58:10.100
saw that one coming so i was like dude i gotta get uh george gammon on and talk about this because
00:58:14.820
you know i mean i don't think a lot of the you know people on twitter know that it was basically the
00:58:19.940
i mean except for like the financially savvy people that was basically the treasury market
00:58:26.900
that kind of uh set all this stuff out of play you know and and the other thing too i think that's
00:58:33.940
important as well is you know you you need a an established market and things to be really refined
00:58:39.220
for tariffs to be all the way like i think the goal here was to kind of stop the monotony of us
00:58:46.980
continue to trade and trade in the trade deficit um and kind of stimulate moving the manufacturer
00:58:54.260
jobs back to the united states but clearly he showed trump showed that he can't stick to anything so
00:58:58.500
it is going to hurt us from a negotiation standpoint um in the future which isn't good
00:59:03.220
um but yeah so we're going to cover some news as well guys react to some stuff
00:59:08.580
um but i wanted to make sure i got that stuff uh out first because um obviously we didn't have
00:59:14.260
that much time with george yet to get going uh give me one sec guys i'm gonna take a quick
00:59:17.780
piss get some water and then we're going to go to the story we're going to talk about christy noem
00:59:22.500
secretary of homeland security getting cooked and we're also going to talk about uh marjorie taylor
00:59:26.580
green uh getting busted for potential insider trading scandal so we're going to talk about that
00:59:32.020
um also i got another story that i'm going to be covering on a school counselor i and i should you not
00:59:39.380
chat a school counselor that blamed her husband after she was um basically uh proven to be after
00:59:48.020
she was caught sexually abusing a minor so uh unprecedented levels of lack of accountability
00:59:54.260
from females as usual um so y'all get it all again fucking you know geopolitical breakdowns
01:00:01.220
uh what's going on in politics economics etc um red pill shit so yeah let me go ahead let me just get
01:00:09.540
a quick piss guys because i had to start the stream up like quick because i didn't want to burn any
01:02:02.600
So let me read some chats, and then we are going to cover some of the stuff here.
01:02:18.960
Let's go with MRT Fortune says, tariffs may bring short-term inflation, but long-term
01:02:30.120
I think that might have been a question for George.
01:02:33.020
So is Trump no longer applying the tariff anymore?
01:02:35.020
What will happen to the economy in the rest of the countries?
01:02:37.340
We did tariff with basically a 90-day extension, but China's keeping high tariffs.
01:02:43.180
SlideDog says, we want Klan meeting content any soon.
01:02:50.420
Like, right now, I'm focusing on, like, building up this show as much as I can.
01:02:54.240
And then, you know, we can get back to the clowning and everything else like that after
01:03:06.640
Speaking of DHSX, this article, if you have time, Mario, two dumbass ex-co-workers of mine
01:03:18.600
San Diego CBP officers allegedly took bribes to let document...
01:03:26.260
Here, I'll pull this story up right now, actually.
01:03:30.300
It's not common that you get CBP officers being idiots like that.
01:03:59.880
San Diego area CBP officers faced similar corruption charges over the last two years.
01:04:12.340
California trying to nickel and dime everybody, bro.
01:04:26.200
All right, let me just go ahead and Google this shit, because the San Diego Tribune, these
01:04:39.680
See, this is why you always want to go just to the, uh, to the DOJ press release.
01:05:17.280
Let's see if there's, like, a criminal complaint or something like that, because it's not often
01:05:20.200
that you get a, uh, you get shit like this, guys.
01:06:11.740
Basically, he was letting drugs come in and shit.
01:06:17.940
It's not good when you got the FBI and office, OIG, and all this other shit.
01:06:53.960
And when is he gonna be able to throw up the Roman himself?
01:06:58.000
Hey, did you see that Tim Castle's putting down Kim for calling out Tim for being a Zayo?
01:07:16.080
Yeah, they got some kind of beef going on right now.
01:07:42.280
Mario says, bro, we've had five over the last two years.
01:07:45.600
That was another guy in the article that you Googled.
01:07:48.800
Bro, how the hell are you guys getting so many niggas pop, man?
01:07:57.520
CBP officers make more than HSI special agents, bro.
01:08:01.360
Like, you guys can milk that fucking overtime, bro.
01:08:10.780
Damn, that must have been embarrassing when they showed up.
01:08:15.560
Like, did they show up at the port and fucking grab his ass in uniform?
01:08:20.760
Yasser says, Mario, did you see that JRE podcast with Dave Smith and the Zionists?
01:08:30.000
That club, Hong Kong, is a TJ house, literally.
01:08:40.420
TMJ News Network reported two days ago a Palestinian woman was detained in Saudi at a Masjid al-Haram
01:08:46.620
Police said it's a political statement that she argues his national identity.
01:08:49.220
Uh, bro, it's just the Zionist regime literally just pushing for censorship, bro.
01:08:53.780
I'm telling you guys, Israel's wildly unpopular right now.
01:09:04.840
So expect the censorship to start getting crazy.
01:09:10.700
And as the censorship starts getting crazier and crazier, guys, I'm going to have to put
01:09:14.000
more and more of this content, uh, on Rumble and off YouTube.
01:09:18.040
Like, right now, like, look, I'll give it a thousand, y'all.
01:09:22.820
Me making this kind of content and, you know, talking JFK and exposing all this shit, I could
01:09:30.340
Like, I'm very aware of the fact that, like, my time is, uh, is, uh, ticking.
01:09:35.240
And I'm going to have to, you know, uh, once the channel really starts, like, blowing up,
01:09:39.620
like, I'm talking, like, we're getting 100,000 views on each video, I'm going to have to
01:09:45.980
Right now, we're going to operate and have fun because we're not, like, you know, too,
01:09:52.240
But, um, you know, the channel is growing at a pretty good rate.
01:09:55.180
But once we start getting, like, 100K views on every single stream we do, uh, we're going
01:09:59.760
to have to start definitely, or using more coded language.
01:10:03.920
Um, either cutting to rumble or using more coded language because I predict, and this
01:10:09.520
is my prediction, I predict that as U.S. sentiment grows, uh, negatively towards Israel, which
01:10:19.960
is what we're quickly approaching, you are going to see the ADL, Media Matters, and a lot
01:10:27.540
of these other agencies really push to get the biggest voices, um, censored, canceled, deplowed,
01:10:34.940
Because, all right, give me ones that Chad Vianneggers want me to explain how censorship
01:10:40.560
Because that, uh, as I'm thinking about this, this is kind of like a more, this requires
01:10:45.900
Give me ones if you guys want me to, twos if you guys don't want me to.
01:10:52.720
Office of Inspector General, they're charged with doing internal investigations on agencies.
01:10:58.860
Um, talk about the New York City helicopter crash just happened.
01:11:03.680
As you guys know, we always try to do breaking news.
01:11:21.340
Um, dude in the chat said the normies have a refresher.
01:11:30.220
Give me threes in the chat if this is the first time that you're tuning into a live stream.
01:11:35.020
Give me threes in the chat if this is your first time tuning into a Myron Gaines political
01:11:39.260
cultural commentary live stream, a.k.a. the debrief.
01:11:42.920
Give me threes if this is your first time here.
01:12:13.240
You guys probably found me through a clip or a short.
01:12:22.960
I think I've caught every debrief first time actually live.
01:12:31.560
Have you ever touched on the protocols of Zion documents?
01:12:38.820
We're going to have to do it on Rumble, though.
01:12:43.240
Protocols of Zion is like the, it, it, it's like the top op for the ADL.
01:12:51.280
Which I want to talk about the ADL here in a second.
01:12:53.980
I will not be able to talk about that shit on YouTube.
01:13:01.120
Albo Ace, these dudes online talking trash about you.
01:13:19.460
And I, and this, this is a last, first and last time I'm going to address this.
01:13:51.940
You know, Gary's helped me out with, um, you know, doing things behind the scenes with Fresh.
01:13:58.640
Um, he has no say in the content that I make, clearly.
01:14:02.820
Um, and, uh, he helps us with collabs and contracts and all the shit behind the scenes.
01:14:12.640
And Stu, I think, is a fantastic voice in the movement.
01:14:25.840
So I have an enormous amount of respect for both guys.
01:14:28.480
So I'm not going to shit in either one of them.
01:14:32.720
You know, it just sucks that my friends are, you know, obviously getting in beefs and shit like that.
01:15:15.020
Let me uh, so we got this helicopter story right now.
01:15:20.460
when when uh upside down into the water this literally was just a little bit ago not too long
01:15:26.960
ago so uh to try to but i have got some helicopter time it's challenging i mean i've been flying
01:15:35.320
uh fixed wing aircraft for 42 years so uh and i'm kind of with jp i'd rather stay in a fixed
01:15:43.920
wing aircraft um i have a better chance potentially of gliding to safety i mean we discussed
01:15:50.880
something that helicopters can do called autorotation and uh where again you can sort of
01:15:56.660
disengage the the the transmission the clutch from the engine itself if there's an engine
01:16:01.640
issue going on and then the actual uh i don't know about you guys but i am never ever gonna get in
01:16:09.260
a fucking helicopter bro yo helicopter crashes bro it's like it happens like once a year
01:16:16.160
kobe died in a helicopter crash the president of iran died in a helicopter crash even though i think
01:16:22.400
uh there was some involvement there by the massad but bro i am never going in a helicopter bro fuck
01:16:31.280
that man that the blades are still generating you can autorotate that helicopter to a safe landing
01:16:38.240
somewhere uh but you have to have the blades to do that right so in this case the blades completely
01:16:43.940
came off so there was no lift at all now being generated so as jp had pointed out they they didn't
01:16:51.000
have a chance it was doomed um so now the fa and ntsb are investigating and we do have a retired navy
01:16:57.740
captain aviation and search and rescue expert joining us on our air right now armin kurdian can you hear
01:17:03.660
us armin catch you loud and clear okay so we now know that this was a tourist helicopter
01:17:09.360
um what is the information what are the questions that you have um you know as you hear all this
01:17:15.000
news unfold and as we listen to the situation the timeline that was laid out by the mayor
01:17:19.360
well obviously the first thing is just absolutely awful you have a you know an entire family go down
01:17:25.960
with that helicopter so you know we have to keep them in our minds and our hearts but as everybody's
01:17:30.540
talked about this looks like some kind of massive catastrophic failure from which the pilot had no
01:17:34.680
chance to actually recover from so excuse me what they're going to try and find out is was this a
01:17:42.600
failure of material like did the shaft actually crack or did it break was there some kind of excuse me
01:17:49.340
so sorry was there some kind of loosening or did something come loose that one thing led to another
01:17:55.720
that eventually everything sort of vibrated uh part over a period of a few seconds or was it one
01:18:01.440
massive break captain kurdian maybe walk us through what a proper search and rescue response
01:18:06.640
uh looks like for a crash like this what happens when within the first five minutes after impact
01:18:12.440
you know we've seen so many crashes in the hudson uh lately or guys do me a favor can y'all like
01:18:20.040
the video um i'd really appreciate that it would help uh quite a bit um like the video let's we only
01:18:27.460
got 900 likes uh but we got what 3 500 you guys in here roughly so like the video my ninjas okay like
01:18:34.320
the video smash that like button helps a lot with the algo now if you saw up in dc over the water
01:18:39.660
in these massive metropolitan areas the response is fast it's massive and immediate plus simply the
01:18:46.820
fact there's plenty of sea traffic on the river to begin with that's going and checking everything
01:18:51.320
out so you're going to send in your your uh your folks first make sure the area is safe that there's
01:18:57.040
no fire there's no additional floating debris which would cause a hazard to your divers the water
01:19:03.340
temperature is going to dictate how many divers you need because a diver can only go under that water
01:19:07.000
for 20 or 30 minutes even in a dry suit 59 degrees not a lot of time but stay conscious underwater
01:19:13.200
so once you do that you want to make sure that it's lit that you can see the the accident and
01:19:19.040
then recover the bodies or recover the individuals if you know by some miracle they managed to survive
01:19:24.220
but in terms of survivability is there ever a scenario where someone could survive a mid-air
01:19:31.700
armin are you still there all right we might have can you hear me yeah yeah we can hear you um okay sorry
01:19:42.960
yeah once once those rotors come off there is absolutely nothing you can do you are completely
01:19:47.740
along for the ride and the way helicopter crashes into the water once it hits the surface of the
01:19:52.300
water it's going to invert even if it lands or comes down uh vertically because the top of the
01:19:58.100
helicopter is much heavier than the bottom it's going to completely flip over so they're going to
01:20:01.580
be hanging on their straps and then how long might it take before we get some answers uh as we're
01:20:06.360
referring to the fa ntsb and investigating honestly for a situation like this where i believe that
01:20:12.880
the helicopter i think you're going to find it mostly intact under the water once you pull it out
01:20:18.100
and put it on a on a bed you're going to want those inspectors looking at it literally right then and
01:20:22.860
there because they're going to want to see if this was a clean break or if not if it was a clean break
01:20:28.200
or excuse me if it was say something that just got dislodged or came loose that you don't see any
01:20:33.340
physical parts that were broken or sheared that might have been what might have happened airborne
01:20:38.540
then that's going to lead you to one thing perhaps it was a maintenance issue but if something
01:20:42.940
physically poor or physically broke uh and the engineers can quickly determine looking at those
01:20:49.240
breaks whether it was something that was done on impact or whether it was something that was done
01:20:53.120
in the air because uh that the torque and the moments of inertia simply weren't working with each
01:20:58.380
other airborne yeah is there anybody in chat that's a helicopter uh pilot is there
01:21:03.120
anyone in here in chat we got a bunch of you guys watching right now um are any of you guys um
01:21:10.500
is there anyone here that's a helicopter pilot i know we have plenty of like airline pilots
01:21:15.580
but i would love for someone in here if they're a helicopter pilot to give a little bit of insight bro
01:21:20.960
because i genuinely will never get on a helicopter bro i've just seen too many gray people die
01:21:26.500
in helicopter crashes so i'm like fuck that man
01:21:29.460
don't know that very quickly so you i bet you somebody said yes and i'm a law bar pilot bro
01:21:38.020
y'all niggas are funny bro yo if your name is muhammad though i don't want to listen i don't want your
01:21:42.740
take i don't mean to be racist or whatever but i'm gonna give it a thousand bro look if your name is
01:21:48.340
muhammad or ahmed or some shit like that or even my arab name amr bro i don't want to hear your take
01:21:53.200
bro all right i'm be all the way a thousand here all right be let me be very clear if you're a
01:21:58.960
helicopter pilot and you are from anywhere in north africa and you have arab descent i don't want to
01:22:06.520
hear your fucking opinion all right sorry you know i practice this racism towards everybody
01:22:12.340
welcome to fucking the debrief where we literally shit on everybody so i don't want to talk to y'all
01:22:18.320
head niggas either i need a white person even a black person to tell me about this hispanic nigga
01:22:24.980
but i am not gonna take nothing from nobody named ahmed or any type of in the name i'm good bro no
01:22:32.840
khaled's none of that all right it's not khaled's by the way it's khaled so if it has a no i'll take
01:22:40.220
a jew too hey your name fucking menachim okay i'll talk to you but i'm not talking to no arab
01:22:45.500
hell no so anybody in here that's a pilot that's not arab or you know or muslim yes practicing
01:22:57.180
bigotry against myself even if you're muslim i don't want to hear from you either so if you're
01:23:01.920
white and you're a convert no i need a christian uh a jewish person uh a catholic even atheist
01:23:13.840
because them niggas don't want to die even atheist but if you're muslim or you're arab bro i don't
01:23:19.540
want to talk to you all right so we got any uh helicopter pilots that meet my requirements
01:23:27.920
within about 24 hours of that helicopter coming out of the water they're going to have a fairly
01:23:35.560
decent idea of what happened all right armin oh this nigga phil cohen said i'm a pilot
01:23:40.080
nigga how many times do i gotta tell you in chat you're jewish shut up all right it's like
01:23:49.620
i gotta tell you this shit every day bro shut up this is your song
01:24:11.620
all right all right we can keep going guys even look look see as soon as it starts talking about
01:24:18.900
jews this dude comes in i already know what he wants to do i say jews this nigga starts showing up
01:24:23.760
bro fray what's wrong with you bro why are you so anti-semitic man he heard the name cohen
01:24:30.080
this nigga showed up immediately all right what do you what do you okay all right all right all right
01:24:36.360
all right man goddamn bro you're way on youtube bro literally he's been here for like an hour by the
01:24:41.960
way nigga's been here for like an hour here at cohen he comes over immediately
01:24:47.120
yeah what the fuck man yo nigga heard cohen he said no fuck that what's this guy gotta say
01:24:59.420
fuck this nigga bro all right hey that's what he's gotta say to you bro that's what he gotta
01:25:07.760
all right bro all right you gotta get us canceled man you gotta get us canceled all right i love you
01:25:16.360
too all right go to your bed all right okay all right man
01:25:19.480
oh man all right all right all right buddy come on go to your bed go to your bed go to your bed
01:25:32.280
you gotta get us canceled okay all right that was funny um
01:25:40.380
well we really appreciate your expertise thank you for joining us we want to go out live to
01:25:46.880
meredith gordon i don't script that chat like he just heard uh jewish cohen whatever and he walked
01:25:53.240
over you see bro had to check bro had to uh bros bro had to come in and check out what was going on
01:26:04.320
i'm in now close to the crash scene there um in new jersey meredith what can you tell us
01:26:11.360
that's right well first of all there's been a little bit more increased activity in terms of
01:26:18.320
boats moving around the site of the debris that's still in the water behind us again the debris has
01:26:25.120
not been lifted out of the water yet it is still submerged and it looks like the the legs if you will
01:26:31.680
of the helicopter are still sticking up out of the water but when i walked down this walkway again just a
01:26:37.040
few minutes ago there is uh what looks like personal belongings that may have belonged to the people
01:26:42.640
who uh were in the helicopter floating around here uh we saw what appears to be two uh brown leather
01:26:50.240
seats that again you would assume came from this helicopter floating in bro what the
01:26:57.200
fuck holly in the water uh and there's also what seems to be an oil sheen on the water uh near where
01:27:04.800
the helicopter crashed again i talked to people that live in these neighboring buildings a lot of them
01:27:09.680
were home working from home when the crash happened they all heard a boom uh they said it woke some of
01:27:15.680
their babies up their dogs heard it and were startled and you know started barking and uh it's it's very
01:27:22.880
somber and people are really sad here and again when i first got to the scene earlier i spoke with
01:27:28.080
a young boy named leo who was walking this walkway after school with his mom and he actually saw a lot
01:27:34.640
of the helicopter uh debris and he took a video of it that he shared with me uh take a look here
01:27:41.920
i mean so first of all a really important thing i saw so i was walking to school like my school's in
01:27:46.880
hoboken so i was walking through that terminal and then like i didn't hear anything i just uh
01:27:52.880
saw like a lot of these people uh these people were standing at the pier they're like watching
01:27:57.520
something and then i saw all these boats and then i'm like what happened over there and they said a
01:28:04.320
helicopter crashed so so i'm like yeah that's really scary and i continued down from my way to school
01:28:12.560
and then i saw this man uh filming something in the water and at first i thought like recording
01:28:18.480
litter in the water at this time it's a smart young man the fact that he's able to recall all
01:28:22.560
this detail as a child he's smarter than a lot of the girls that we bring on the show i bet you he
01:28:27.520
could name three countries i'm seriously but then i realized those were actual helicopter pieces so i
01:28:34.880
joined the recording and what did you see what did the helicopter pieces look like you mentioned it might
01:28:39.280
be like the rotors yeah so it looked like the rotors they were like big thick and they had so they had
01:28:47.280
like on one side there are two pieces so the bigger piece it had like on one side it was black and then
01:28:53.840
there was this like a goldish line and then it was white maybe like that can help you figure out which
01:28:59.040
helicopter is the fact he was able to recall all those details is wildly impressive man smart kid
01:29:08.400
dude smart kid anytime i see smart kids like that i get excited for the future bro because these guys
01:29:14.080
are a future do you guys know why this is why dude like people say all the time myron you're extreme
01:29:20.800
why do you say the that you say uh whatever guys when i talk about like for example my stance on you
01:29:26.480
know guys that play for the other team and how they need to have their own designated zones where
01:29:29.680
they can do their shit i'm always coming from the position where we need to create the best
01:29:34.560
environment for children we need two family households we need to avoid public degeneracy like look you
01:29:40.160
want to do some weirdo shit do that on your own time keep it away from the kids we need more kids like
01:29:45.920
that you know i mean you can tell just from the way he's speaking that he's probably a smarter
01:29:52.640
higher achieving kid man which is great we need more smart kids that's how we're going to build
01:29:57.040
this country back you know what i mean so um the kids are the future bro and we have to protect them
01:30:05.280
so w recall uh recollection from uh from a kid smarter than half the girls that come on these shows
01:30:11.760
and obviously this is a tragedy yeah that's right again people are just getting home from work it seems
01:30:22.720
like around here and uh we've seen a lot of people walking their dogs people with families just coming
01:30:27.520
to take a look again at the helicopter wreckage which is still in the water there's been some
01:30:33.200
increased activity as i said uh with police boats and fdny boats coming over uh close to where this big
01:30:40.560
crane boat that's presumably going to pull the wreckage out of the water is uh but again it's
01:30:47.680
it's still in the water people coming over uh to look and again a lot of people can't believe that
01:30:52.960
they're seeing uh again presumably wreckage and personal belongings from this helicopter uh right right
01:31:01.200
along this walkway and uh i guess you would call it 10 feet i would say not 10 feet maybe 30 feet
01:31:09.280
uh from these high-rise buildings there's wreckage in the water uh floating so police have not removed
01:31:16.320
anything yet uh in terms of the materials from the water guys it's inconceivable it's heartbreaking
01:31:23.440
merida thank you i mean this is a sightseeing helicopter so many of them taking off and there's
01:31:28.400
so many helipads around that area the hudson river too and so i'll tell you this ain't nobody gonna go
01:31:34.560
on a new york helicopter right after this bro bro nobody man i remember when that washington dc uh crash
01:31:42.800
happened um where a helicopter crashed into a plane remember that guys literally within days of trump
01:31:47.200
taking office and they were blaming it on dei bro i'm good man now i still get nervous on takeoffs
01:31:54.560
with planes man the big reason why i hate traveling is because of that truly truly a heartbreaking
01:32:00.480
afternoon on the hudson river um we want to go to jessica formosa who's been live along pier 40.
01:32:10.640
bianca natasha well we now know that recovery efforts are over they pulled uh the bodies out of
01:32:16.480
the water four of them were pronounced dead here at the scene two they rushed to the hospital but
01:32:22.000
later died at the hospital we know that this was a family from spain they were visiting uh two
01:32:28.320
adults and three children bro what the man that's that's awful man a nuclear family killed
01:32:44.480
and also the pilot um all dead at this hour we have learned i'm gonna step out of the way here
01:32:50.080
because i want to show you there's not a lot of activity but if you if he zooms in here you're
01:32:54.320
going to see there's some flashing lights some nypd rescue boats still here but throughout the uh last
01:33:00.400
hour two hours you know all the divers have come out of the water we know that the call came in at 3 17
01:33:06.960
p.m multiple calls to 9-1-1 saying that there was a helicopter in the water the police commissioner
01:33:12.720
says the helicopter crashed near the new jersey coastline here in the hudson river fgny assets were
01:33:18.880
told were nearby so they launched their boats right away rescue swimmers went right into the water
01:33:24.000
and you know we have to really give them credit the work that they do they are trained to do this but
01:33:30.320
yet today uh you know this was traumatic for them they they went into that water trying to save these
01:33:35.760
young children and their family members along with the pilot and they couldn't do it they tried they
01:33:41.680
tried their best they said they did everything they could there to save at least one life but that was
01:33:48.000
impossible this was a bell 206 helicopter from new york helicopters we're still waiting to hear from
01:33:55.200
them uh you know we did ask the mayor and the police commissioner and other officials here if they knew
01:34:01.440
anything about this pilot uh was he an experienced pilot was he not uh when was the last time this
01:34:06.800
helicopter was inspected those uh questions they could not answer saying that this is still under
01:34:12.080
investigation but we know at 308 the helicopter had reached the george washington bridge it was
01:34:18.320
turning around but shortly after within they say seconds that's when the helicopter lost control
01:34:24.560
um crashing into the hudson river upside down and i think that's what made it difficult to try to get
01:34:31.120
that family and that pilot out alive but we're live here at pier 40 i can tell you the mood here very
01:34:37.440
sad we have seen uh we saw divers come out paramedics come out of the water and you can see it in their
01:34:43.280
faces uh just how traumatic this has been um how sad you can only imagine um we don't even know if that
01:34:52.640
family and that pilot had a chance to even think or see what was happening you know it happened so quickly
01:34:59.920
that what went through that family's mind those those children we don't know their ages we don't know
01:35:05.680
their gender uh so a lot of questions you know uh we know that uh they have not revealed their
01:35:11.360
they're probably younger minors i'm guessing identities yeah and that's because they're waiting
01:35:15.920
to notify the family again this is a family from spain they were visiting so they may not have any
01:35:21.200
friends or relatives here at all they're also working i know with the consulate uh to get that
01:35:26.000
information out to their family so hopefully we'll have more information on the victims in the coming
01:35:30.960
hours or even uh tomorrow but that's the latest i have here from pier 40. ladies yeah jessica you just
01:35:36.400
painted a pretty heartbreaking picture there to put your yourself in these people's shoes as this is
01:35:43.040
happening it's it's terrible it's terrible to think about um and we just wish their families the best
01:35:50.000
people that know them as they're probably processing this right now um jessica we're going to turn things
01:35:54.640
over to linda schmidt we're hearing that she may have some information on the helicopter let's go to um
01:35:59.760
let's actually go to sharon crowley um she's got a statement from the helicopter touring company
01:36:04.080
new york helicopter what are they saying sharon yeah we are finally getting some information here
01:36:08.400
the ceo of new york helicopter tours just issuing this statement saying quote it's devastation i'm a
01:36:14.800
father and a grandfather and to have children on there i'm devastated i'm absolutely devastated
01:36:20.000
i haven't seen anything like that in my 30 years in the helicopter business and we learned just a
01:36:25.840
few minutes ago from a press conference with the mayor and the police commissioner and others
01:36:30.880
that it was new york helicopters who owned and operated the helicopter that is involved in this
01:36:36.800
deadly crash in the hudson river where six people were killed a sightseeing a family from spain we don't
01:36:43.120
know their names yet as jessica just said three of them children let's hear now from the police
01:36:48.480
commissioner who spoke just about a half an hour ago a bell 206 helicopter flying for the tour company
01:36:56.320
new york helicopters took off from the downtown manhattan heliport at 2 59 pm the aircraft flew south
01:37:04.800
before turning to fly north along the manhattan shoreline up the hudson river at 3 0 8 pm the
01:37:11.200
helicopter reached the george washington bridge and then turned again to fly south along the new jersey
01:37:17.280
shoreline shoreline shortly thereafter the aircraft lost control and hit the water just a few feet
01:37:24.800
off the coast of pier a park in hoboken the cause of the crash is currently under investigation
01:37:32.960
we also heard from mayor adams describing this as a heartbreaking tragedy and before i send it back
01:37:38.720
to you i just want to reiterate something we heard from an eyewitness who said he saw this crash
01:37:44.560
in midair and i'm going to quote him for you bruce wall said he saw the helicopter falling apart in
01:37:50.720
midair with the tail and propeller coming off the propeller was still spinning without the aircraft as
01:37:58.080
it fell so a lot of people in hoboken probably saw this happen if they happened to be looking up at the
01:38:03.680
skies this afternoon about 3 17 or a little bit a few minutes thereafter when all this started to unfold
01:38:10.400
we also heard from new jersey governor murphy extending his condolences and saying that his
01:38:15.360
emergency responders are working with people the nypd and fdny as well so now this investigation likely
01:38:22.400
turned over to the faa and the ntsb as we get a little further in this and and one of the sar persons
01:38:28.880
who's search and rescue that we spoke to you not too long ago was saying that we might be able to get
01:38:32.800
a report back on this pretty quickly so we're going to see how things go sharon thank you for bringing
01:38:37.200
us that that bit of information turning over to nick now though i just want to make sure and clarify
01:38:42.640
that weather was not a factor here no uh no i mean the weather had been deteriorating as the day had
01:38:48.560
gone along uh the winds had started to pick up uh you know i flew this morning and it wasn't that bad
01:38:54.560
the ceiling was quite high i looked at the observation from teterboro airport which is the nearest airport
01:39:00.960
to the crash scene and at the time of the incident uh the accident uh the wind was out of the southeast
01:39:08.160
a little dusty it was gusting up over 30 miles per hour but the visibility was great 10 miles visibility
01:39:13.600
and the ceiling was up at about 6 000 feet the the lowest cloud layer so whether not a factor uh at all
01:39:21.200
it seems to be a you know just something went wrong with that with the those blades the rotor head
01:39:27.040
uh whether uh fatigue or bolts coming loose um a series of events if it's not weather um this
01:39:36.080
company might get sued chat like this might this might make them liable if it wasn't weather because
01:39:41.840
if it's weather you can always make the argument oh because that's what they said about the kobe
01:39:45.040
situation um it was really bad with clouds they didn't want to fly kobe insisted um you know and
01:39:52.800
and they made it happen but in this situation if it's like upkeep with the helicopter woo man that
01:39:59.600
owner uh um you know that owner is definitely uh he's probably talking to a lawyer right now as we
01:40:10.000
speak chat this may have happened very quickly uh one leading to another situation and then the
01:40:16.720
catastrophic failure at that point when you look at the water temperature 40s to low 50s
01:40:22.640
yeah and and i i just i just feel like it was death upon impact with just how how brutal that was
01:40:30.400
but then if there was a possibility of survival with the water temps being so cold and then just
01:40:35.680
the fact that hypothermia is sitting in at 45 minutes i mean it was just a a tragedy from the
01:40:41.760
start well and they uh if you look at the timeline right we're talking uh the accident happened at 3 17
01:40:47.600
and and 259 so it's like 18 minutes 18 minutes from in flight time but the accident having happened
01:40:53.120
at 3 17 and the first responders didn't get there till 3 40 so they may have been inverted under the
01:40:58.640
water for more than 20 minutes yeah and um now and again think about that being in guys it's cold in
01:41:05.520
new york right now it is not warm i was just in pennsylvania as you guys know what i was up at penn state
01:41:09.680
it is not warm so that hyperthermia is real that water is going to be freezing under the water and
01:41:15.840
the other thing too i i i remember talking with someone that's like a physicist or some
01:41:20.320
shit like that when you hit the water from that height it's like landing on concrete
01:41:27.040
so people would think oh does the water break the fall no man it's like literally hitting concrete
01:41:31.520
from that high up in your belts no training to be able to get out of there yeah right so just a
01:41:38.800
recipe for disaster it's really difficult to paint that picture as you you know asked us to do um
01:41:45.680
and i know this hits differently because there's kids involved and nick you're you're not just a
01:41:50.400
pilot you're a dad yes how does this land for you well i mean you know it's tragedy right you think
01:41:56.880
about losing your children um and again something like this if you think about training um where you do
01:42:04.400
um egress training right you where you would uh practice in a scenario where you dive into the
01:42:11.600
water the the the vehicle goes into the water goes inverted and you try to get out and again there's
01:42:16.800
disorientation there's darkness you don't know what's going on but you know here the the tragedy again
01:42:21.840
uh and here what potentially looks like a whole family family yeah tours from spain visiting new york
01:42:27.680
you know you know if you're a surviving parent it would be awful yeah of course is you know but um
01:42:34.480
but having the potential here what we can assume potentially maybe a whole family was lost do people
01:42:41.520
get briefed on any kind of emergency measures what would happen if you land in the water i know this
01:42:48.240
happens when you take off in a helicopter they tell you you have flotation devices underneath you
01:42:53.280
but that's about it yeah i mean there should be a proper safety briefing that's really required
01:42:58.000
yeah you know when i take a flight with passengers even my family that's heard me give the briefing
01:43:03.360
over and over again i still give the briefing so you have an idea of what to do if something happens
01:43:09.200
and i can't help you yeah so a safety briefing is is really a requirement and i'm sure these you know
01:43:15.360
professional um companies helicopter companies uh as in you know you get a safety briefing on an airliner
01:43:22.000
what to do uh i'm sure they gave them some type of a safe chris says uh off topic what are your
01:43:26.480
thoughts on working out of state as a single man i've been away from family or four years pursuing
01:43:30.080
money career with bp no trouble getting women but i do miss him some just one of your opinion uh
01:43:33.920
no it's great bro it builds a lot of character that's what i did makes you into a man so um
01:43:38.320
working out of stay is better no distractions no no comfort you know it helps you focus a lot more
01:43:43.600
so working out of state is fantastic as a young guy safety briefing but does that briefing cover
01:43:48.560
something like this i mean the the briefing may be to show you how to unbuckle your seat belt to show
01:43:54.160
you how to open the door if you have to get out but that's assuming that you've landed somewhere
01:44:00.560
safely and upright and upright exactly now they're not going to there's no way they could brief them
01:44:08.000
on an inverted impact into the water and have them respond yeah it's just it's just uh impossible
01:44:15.680
really to have them do it but with these flight companies operating daily hundreds of them i'm not
01:44:20.560
sure but there's quite a bit i mean you're over water manhattan's surrounded by water is this not
01:44:26.000
something that they should talk about well again it's it's probably done in a briefing if it's going
01:44:31.680
to be a normal uh you know potential off-site landing let's say so uh where uh as we discussed a
01:44:37.920
helicopter if it has an engine issue you know you can uh sort of detach the blades the the from the
01:44:45.280
the the uh the clutch there is what we would call it the the uh transmission and so now the blades
01:44:52.480
uh are still spinning so the helicopter pilot takes that energy that they're still generating to what's
01:44:59.520
called auto rotate the helicopter down so he's still getting lift he's still able to somewhat
01:45:05.200
directly control the helicopter uh he or she and make a landing russia america prisoner swap interesting
01:45:14.720
lsr gives me a twitter thing okay thing upright either in a field and in the water where they
01:45:22.000
the potential floats uh that are on the skids would then inflate and the helicopter would then be upright
01:45:27.840
so the briefing would include if that happens this is what you do if i can't as the pilot get back to you
01:45:34.960
this is how you know you buckle your seat belt this is how you open the door when you exit the helicopter
01:45:40.000
stay away from the blades that type of a briefing but this type of a scenario being very rare really
01:45:48.560
how do you brief for that you really you really can't yeah so well well nick um the fact that you've
01:45:53.440
been your pilot your your expertise has been invaluable in the last two and a half hours that
01:45:57.920
you know we've been on air just uncovering this live together um we want to go to meredith now who is
01:46:03.600
live out in new jersey and meredith you have some new video of the debris that people are now finding
01:46:12.880
that's right there's a bunch of debris that is along this walk away here which is uh looking
01:46:19.040
out over the crash site again uh take a look at this video that we just took moments ago but you guys
01:46:26.080
mentioned safety uh safety manuals and you know the the briefing that they give people when they get
01:46:32.560
on an aircraft or a helicopter well there was actually safety manuals floating in the water that i
01:46:39.280
saw myself as part of the debris we saw two seats brown leather seats floating in the river or floating
01:46:46.800
in the river uh along this walking area a lot of people who have come to look at you know the helicopter
01:46:53.040
which is still submerged in the water uh behind me have seen the debris floating in the water uh we
01:46:58.800
saw a water bottle floating with the rest of the debris which again you would assume uh came from
01:47:04.480
inside the helicopter uh i saw what appeared to be a bag floating uh which again likely somebody's
01:47:11.920
personal belongings and there's also a bit of an oil slick in the water which you would think uh came
01:47:18.560
from this helicopter as well but again the police and authorities haven't really retrieved any of
01:47:24.880
the floating debris from this area yet and people are just really taken aback by all of this and
01:47:32.080
taking it in as they come and survey the scene yeah meredith it was sure we're going to be seeing a lot
01:47:36.560
of that debris ending up there as they're still trying to clean up this scene a tragic scene we're
01:47:41.360
going to turn things over to dan rice uh we talked to dan a couple times a week up in the chopper in
01:47:48.320
skyfox hd dan you do this for a living how how is this landing for you right now as you're seeing this
01:47:55.120
unfold this tough to watch um you know for what we do for a living anything is a possibility you're
01:48:03.440
prepared for it you know you heard about the safety briefings and everything else i know 25 30 years ago
01:48:09.840
somewhere in that range i went up to groton connecticut and did a water egress training
01:48:14.480
to prepare me for the unlikely event we ended up in the water when you look at that chopper upside
01:48:20.480
down in the water those yellow bags out of those gray bags those are what we call the floats
01:48:26.240
and they're there in case of an emergency landing in the water but what you'll notice in those bags
01:48:31.600
with the way those floats are they're not the point the pilot did not even have enough time to deploy
01:48:37.920
the floats um the video out there it's very to see that because when you see the one video from the
01:48:45.920
piers where you see the chopper coming down upside down the very first thing i see is the main rotor
01:48:51.920
system is missing and the tail boom is missing without any rotors on the aircraft the pilot has zero
01:48:59.120
control of the situation everybody's along for the ride step that's scary to watch yeah that style
01:49:06.800
helicopter that is the helicopter we fly i was just about to say that so the bell 206 is what you're
01:49:12.720
flying to correct it's a bell 206 long ranger 4 l4 they call it uh two or two big rotors on top two
01:49:20.320
little rotors on the back single engine aircraft uh it seats seven people in it uh for us it can figure
01:49:26.880
differently but that's what it could fit dan we're hearing from a couple pilots who were saying
01:49:31.120
they don't trust helicopters they'd rather be in a fixed wing aircraft also guys we're going to talk
01:49:35.280
about megan kelly and matt walsh matt walsh i think responded to her and to be honest i was the first
01:49:42.000
person to call megan kelly out on her um but we're gonna go ahead and get into this it's also breaking
01:49:47.360
news so we got some coming in right now guys so we're gonna definitely talk about that um as well
01:49:53.840
all right um yeah so we'll stay on this helicopter story a little bit longer and then i'm going to
01:50:02.640
talk about censorship in america with the adl uh and we're going to talk about the megan kelly thing
01:50:08.800
and let's hear her um and uh we're also going to talk about major uh marjorie taylor green christy
01:50:15.440
noem uh yeah we bro we we got a great show for you for you guys planned today so welcome to the stream
01:50:21.120
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01:50:28.880
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01:50:34.480
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01:50:41.040
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01:50:48.880
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01:50:55.040
um so you know the show is growing we're we're going uh quickly um as far as subscribers you know
01:51:01.040
my guy brett is killing it with the shorts and eclipse i'm sure that's how a lot of you guys found
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01:51:11.920
um you know i go deep with foreign policy that's one of my favorite things when it comes to
01:51:16.240
um politics um i'm not an economist like someone like a george gamut which is why i brought him in
01:51:21.840
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01:51:31.360
going to be a part of the show like for example we're going to talk about the matt walsh stuff because
01:51:35.120
it's trending and then this woman that you know obviously blamed her husband for fucking sexually
01:51:40.080
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01:51:44.800
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01:51:48.960
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01:51:56.560
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01:52:02.160
i really appreciate that shit uh from you guys man i really do you know the cancellation the
01:52:06.240
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01:52:11.360
going to get our monetization back at this point if we do awesome if we don't it is what it is um
01:52:16.960
you know and a lot of you guys that are familiar with my work you guys know i've been talking about
01:52:21.280
you know them boys before it's called cool to do so i was talking about this
01:52:25.440
shit before october 7 that's literally why i got demonetized i'm going to talk about this more when
01:52:28.720
we go over the adl and censorship in america but um but yeah so let's get back to the helicopter
01:52:35.440
story i'm going to talk about censorship then we're going to cover a bunch of different stories
01:52:37.840
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01:52:42.000
getting my instagram back i know some of you guys might be seeing me right now looking down at my
01:52:45.120
phone and shit like that trust me i'm still here i'm just trying i'm just fucking coordinating some
01:52:50.240
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01:53:19.600
he is he's back on guys so um we'll see if i get my instagram back if not it is what it is that's what
01:53:26.080
i'm working on right now fucking dealing with these ig people man it's fucking pain in the ass but um
01:53:31.840
yeah so he's back so that's good because the thing with instagram is like for all you guys out
01:53:40.160
here that want to be influencers quick little side thing right instagram isn't real it's a
01:53:44.960
bullshit app the reason why it's good is that it is a networking app it's great for securing guests
01:53:50.960
making things happen coordinating stuff it's the best app for that um and then also you can lead
01:53:55.920
people to your content and like you know anything that you're selling which is good um but like to
01:54:01.600
build an audience on it i don't think is uh it depends what your content niche is but like as a
01:54:08.000
podcaster obviously you want to be doing your long-form content putting clips on instagram whatever but
01:54:13.040
instagram when it comes to being someone like in my niche it's a networking tool mostly right um
01:54:21.040
since i'm also in politics twitter helps a lot too but for the normies that aren't politically
01:54:25.680
inclined you use instagram for the people that are politically inclined use twitter so anyway
01:54:31.920
let's get back to this helicopter thing and then we're going to go on to the other stories
01:54:35.520
you do obviously this is breaking news this happened literally like an hour or two ago
01:54:38.640
fucking helicopter crashed in new york city um looks like it's six we're aboard the helicopter
01:54:43.600
spanish nationality family three adults three children um obviously this is fucking horrible
01:54:48.800
but this happened um from a helicopter tour um that runs out in new york so for all you guys
01:54:55.440
they're thinking about doing a helicopter tour i don't want none of y'all dying bro so cancel that
01:54:59.440
shit cancel that shit man because it's looking like it's it's potentially um user error and or uh
01:55:08.320
uh maintenance problem on the helicopter okay uh the ceo gave a statement i wouldn't be surprised if
01:55:15.440
he's already talking to lawyers actually that's probably the smart thing to do because this is not a
01:55:19.760
weather issue so since it's not a weather issue it's going to be a human error which means there's
01:55:24.960
probably gonna be a lawsuit coming at some point every day can can you explain uh why that fear is
01:55:32.560
present for for a lot of pilots i gotta be honest now again i always take the preference of error you
01:55:37.600
know tell everybody i'm not a pilot i'm a reporter camera operator who flies in the helicopter every single
01:55:42.640
day for the last 25 something years i have yet to meet a helicopter or a pilot who's part of the
01:55:48.960
helicopter itself i don't know where that fear comes from because honestly just looking at this
01:55:56.160
instance i again i'm not going to speculate what happened but it's a single aircraft instance it wasn't
01:56:04.240
the you know there wasn't a collision there wasn't some sort of error that way something happened
01:56:08.400
catastrophically in the air with a single aircraft um i would assume for pilots um when you lose me
01:56:16.800
losing the rotors and i can't remember any time uh in recent history last 20 30 years where we've
01:56:23.440
seen a rotor come off of a helicopter so a lot of times we hear of auto rotation i know i heard nick
01:56:29.520
talking about that earlier that just takes them if you have an engine failure it takes the momentum of
01:56:35.280
those big blades on top spinning and the pilot can handle the helicopter getting down to the ground
01:56:40.400
if that's missing then you have no control whatsoever so i'm going to assume if a pilot is
01:56:46.400
saying that and especially from fixed wing the uh to a helicopter a helicopter rotorcraft that might
01:56:51.520
be the fear um i'm not sure to be honest because i'll tell you what i don't have a fear of getting
01:56:57.200
back in our helicopter mr fubus says i uh applied for a recent dha i'm assuming that means direct
01:57:03.120
hire announcement putting for uh nyc newark dc la do i have pretty good chance of getting ny
01:57:07.680
um i mean it depends on the needs bro of the sack office but they definitely need agents man so
01:57:13.600
you know best of luck to you in the application process for um we we have to go back and do our
01:57:19.040
job tomorrow or monday or whatever we fly again um you know for us i know our helicopter company does
01:57:25.760
quite a bit of safety uh checks on our helicopter a lot of maintenance there's a lot that goes into flying
01:57:30.880
new helicopters uh you can't predict everything but we haven't had enough incidents to me to war
01:57:39.840
and we just heard we heard the mayor uh telling us that's kind of saying that you know choppers are
01:57:43.520
safe and it's part of the new york experience yeah so you know it's such an unfortunate situation
01:57:50.400
and the ntsb will tell us i mean you heard them say um as soon as i don't know i will one calls
01:57:55.200
stop all traffic on the north river that's the old name for the hudson river they do that to preserve
01:58:00.480
the crash site so they can get as many pieces of that helicopter gathered up out of the water
01:58:05.760
for the ntsb to do their proper investigation and once they will come to us in about a year or so
01:58:12.000
with other preliminary probably in a couple of weeks but they'll you know they'll do their
01:58:15.200
investigation and they'll let everybody know what happened with that specific helicopter yeah that
01:58:21.520
those are the big questions that you know we want to know um dan rice thank you so much we want
01:58:26.560
to go to armin kurdian again a retired navy captain aviation and search and rescue uh expert um armin so
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right now the helicopter debris what's left of it is still in the water and the ntsbfa is investigating
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tell us like what what are the next steps here once they're able to take this helicopter i mean is there
01:58:47.920
a black box in there um you know we we know that this was a touring company what what information are
01:58:53.360
they looking to gather great certainly it's possible that it may have had some kind of black
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box or recording device uh to determine you know what position the flight controls were in what was
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going on the engine what were the measures of torque the engine the engine uh temperature fuel flow all
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those kinds of things uh regardless when they do pull it out of the water and bring it up uh the
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engineers at the ntsb have have done this okay and the ntsb real quick guys um so if you guys ever
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saw the movie flight with um denzel washington that was who was investigating but the ntsb does all
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investigations on any type of um aviation problems uh they obviously did the investigation up in
01:59:37.760
washington dc and i think they refer for criminal investigation if needed but uh here they are
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independent u.s government investigative agency responsible for civil transportation accident
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investigation this role in the ntsb investigates and reports on aviation accidents and incidents
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uh certain types of highway crashes ship and marine accidents pipeline incidents bridge failures
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and railroad accidents ntsb is also in charge of investigating causes uh cases of hazardous material
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releases that occur during transportation so they're the ones that are in charge of figuring this
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thing out that's also going to play a huge role in whether there's um you know uh gonna be some
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any type of uh liability and there's a famous scene from this movie let me see if i can get it here
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this is him at a hearing with the ntsb i'm sorry my what your opinion for those that are unaware of
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the movie in this movie denzel washington plays a pilot who was flying a plane drunk and was still
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able to miraculously land the plane through due to his you know fantastic piloting skills but when they
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conducted their investigation they found alcohol in the system or or no they found alcohol i think in one
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one of the other women in the um shit it was basically one of the flight attendants was blamed
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for it but he couldn't live with the guilt because i think he was like hooking up with
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her or whatever and he basically took accountability in the scene for it um obviously this sensationalized
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it but this is just so you guys kind of get an idea of like what the ntsb does right if there's
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drunk people involved in a plane crash that's obviously going to be a fucking problem
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right so flew that plane upside down i don't know if that's actually physically possible or that
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was done for cinematic effect but i'll play this quick little scene from the movie captain
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since her toxicology report is the only toxicology report ma'am that's the girl it is admissible in this
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hearing and you see right here ntsb she in fact tested positive for alcohol is it your opinion
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that katarina marquez drank those two bottles of vodka on the plane when in reality he's the one that
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now guys this movie honestly i think anyone that has alcohol problem or likes to drink you know
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maybe some of you guys are weak in words whatever you guys should all watch this movie bro
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when i tell you guys that alcohol is the devil i'm telling y'all man it is literally the worst thing
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that we have legalized i think it's worse than illicit drugs in some cases
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like this movie will red pill you on alcohol bro because the thing that's crazy is that so many
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americans have this problem so many americans have this problem man like obviously it's cinematic
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it's fictional blah blah blah but the the underlying tone of the movie when it comes to alcoholism etc is
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very fucking real very real i've seen friends and colleagues lose their lives over alcohol man
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and anybody in here somebody some of you guys right now in the chat might have an alcohol problem
02:03:22.320
some of you guys right now trying to get over it bro put down the bottle guys put down the bottle
02:03:32.480
alcohol is worse than even weed you guys know i hate weed i hate all drugs but if i had to pick
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between the two i i would say weed is slightly less worse they're both terrible but bro
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alcohol is the worst man look you have a birthday party whatever you got a designated driver fine
02:03:54.480
you want to drink for the occasion cool but most people and alcoholics they don't drink for the
02:04:00.160
occasion they make the occasion to drink and i want to make that very clear most people that drink don't
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drink for the occasion they drink they don't drink for the occasion they make the occasion to drink
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so anyway i'll play this quick little scene and then we'll get back into this helicopter crash
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shit i'm sorry mr whitaker i couldn't hear you what did you say
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i said god help me yes well however is it your opinion my opinion trina did not drink that vodka
02:04:34.480
oh shit she's like wait what excuse me mr whitaker she saved the boy's life that's could you speak
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louder captain marquez did not drink the vodka because i drank the vodka
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yeah yeah nigga cooked after that one mind you he hasn't hear he's at a hearing under oath
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his legal team had prepared him for this niggas are in the back just fuck damn it
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we prepared this nigga man holy oh i should have warned y'all niggas this is a spoiler alert if
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you haven't seen this movie i should have told y'all niggas that sorry
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objection the lawyer stands up hey hey objection please be seated sir sir i drank the vodka bottles
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please be seated oh shit sir this is not a courtroom well object anyway
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captain whitaker on the three nights before the accident october 11th october 11th october 12th and
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13th and 14th i was intoxicated i drank all of those days i drank in excess
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i think that one is the end right there my friends fatality
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but guys look i know we're laughing at it and shit like that then this was a damn good movie
02:07:06.240
but this is real man this is fucking real man so anyway i had to show you guys that movie clip
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because i want you guys to understand what the ntsb is that was the whole purpose was to show you
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what guys the ntsb is that was like an ntsb hearing right there anyway back to the story
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not saying this helicopter was drunk rather what the ntsb's job is to do
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they have looked at accidents all kinds of shapes and sizes and you'd be shocked and amazed
02:07:35.280
that's how good they are at reconstructing an aircraft uh once it's uh actually impacted
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in this case there was no explosion there was no fire uh and uh considering you know they
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yeah denzel's a fantastic actor bro well i i would say one of the top 10 all time
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denzel's such a good fucking actor man yeah they're gonna recover the road and the helicopter
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and if you guys haven't seen flight you need to go see it i'm sorry if i spoiled it for y'all niggas
02:08:04.240
but it's still a good movie and you should watch it
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we're under probably it really is an eye-opener when it comes to alcoholism
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debris around the the main body of the helicopter the main fuselage so it's very likely that they'll
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have at least 90 percent of the vehicles put back together and i do believe that they'll have
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the critical parts and their critical components to actually look at and then they have methods
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of looking at the the shaft and the metal from the metallurgical standpoint they'll use x-rays
02:08:35.600
to look at the stresses in the shaft they'll look at they'll use x-rays to determine you know
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stresses in the airframe of the body to know how it hit they will be able to also determine and
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distinguish between what happened on impact and what might have happened actually airborne
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at that time and then i really believe that they'll have a pretty decent idea of what happened
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within the first two or three days of looking at the vehicle okay armid before we head over to
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another reporter on scene i just want to ask you've commanded search and rescue operations so what are
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crews up against in a river recovery like this one especially when this aircraft broke apart the way
02:09:15.520
that it did you've got the current to deal with you've got the temperature of the water to deal
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with you've got visibility in the water to deal with you've got uh the ambient wind uh airborne uh
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to deal with all right we got um clean ben says message from dude uh jre hosted a debate with dave
02:09:32.000
smith douglas murray tell them tell him to start talking about two hours into it okay i'll cue that up
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too um owen first time donating i'm from england i want to know if you think nigel farage is our best chance
02:09:41.920
to get back to normal um i know who nigel farage is i know that he's a british nationalist i know
02:09:48.400
he's critical of islam um but i don't know enough about him to give you a real opinion owen to be 100
02:09:55.040
honest with you i don't study british politics uh um i mean hell that fucking young niggas don't even
02:10:00.880
want me in your cut no i'm just kidding um but i would um maybe one day i'll i'll do a show on british
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politics but i'll be i'll be very candid with you bro i don't know enough to give an educated
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opinion on nigel farage i know who he is i know some of his stances uh but i think you know just
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knowing some of the stances not knowing everything and speaking on is is ill-informed and stupid so
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i'll just kind of stay in my lane and not go into something i'm not too familiar with
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i wish i had a better answer for you but i i hate talking on uh stuff that i'm not confident about
02:10:32.880
with as well you've got daylight so that's a positive thing and considering that the aircraft
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is right the helicopter right there on the surface of the water daylight invisibility is not shouldn't
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be a problem uh you had the accident in reagan national it was night and those you know a lot
02:10:48.720
of that sunk to the bottom so yeah visibility was a major issue time and temperature of the water is
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also a problem all right armin thank you very much um we want to go to our reporter linda schmidt
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out there live uh linda i i i have a question for you regarding just public perception i mean
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paint a picture just what people are thinking i mean plane crashes we have the one that happened in dc
02:11:09.680
you're you've reported on all of this just kind of what goes through your mind
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well you know whenever you're covering these types of things certainly it's scary for the general
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public i mean it's scary for me as a is a human being and as a news reporter covering this kind of
02:11:26.480
stuff because so many of these accidents come out of nowhere and they're they're like for example
02:11:32.080
some of the experts talking earlier today and even um uh the helicopter pilot that you guys were just
02:11:38.320
talking to you know this to them this is kind of a one-off type of situation because there have not
02:11:44.720
been many helicopter crashes in our area like this and this is uh something that obviously oh the wind out
02:11:52.080
here had went catastrophically wrong with this aircraft um but helicopters when you compare them
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like nick gregory was talking about when you're talking about an airplane versus a helicopter an
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airplane is much safer and um it not as fragile as a helicopter is but as far as the investigation goes
02:12:14.000
you know the ntsb and the faa they are going to be conducting investigations and then of course
02:12:19.920
preliminarily they will have results of these investigations probably within about three to
02:12:25.040
six months because that's what normally happens and then they release a report and then um as far
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as a final report that will most likely come in about a year that's what historically has happened
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whether it's a helicopter crash or a uh or a plane but as far as the response out here this was a
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massive emergency response you had the um you had the fdny out here they were out here with divers and
02:12:52.320
boats you had the nypd as well with divers aviation harbor the scuba team as i was just talking about
02:13:00.160
you had the coast guard that was out here as well as port authority and um from the news conference
02:13:08.000
that was conducted uh about i guess 40 minutes ago at this point where the mayor was there the fire
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commissioner was there and the police commissioner the police commissioner saying that uh nypd divers
02:13:20.560
recovered four of the bodies from the water and divers with the fdny recovered two of those bodies
02:13:28.240
and that this again was a family from spain and they were visiting here and they were on one of these
02:13:35.120
tour helicopters taking out a beautiful ride along the hudson river and they had left south of where
02:13:44.560
i am right now i'm at the uh 40 34th street up here south of where we are now they were trapped it was
02:13:51.120
a beautiful day earlier today as well traveling up the hudson river they made it up to the george
02:13:56.320
washington bridge they got to see that gorgeous view and then they turned around and they headed back
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south here along the hudson and that's when things went tragically wrong and when you look at that
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video and you see the propeller now earlier on my sources had told me that the propeller
02:14:13.120
just came off of the helicopter and then there is video supporting that um and then watching the body
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just drop like a rock into the hudson river and then upside down i mean
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it's just uh the visual of it and to know this family was on there and the pilot i mean my god
02:14:33.280
i know it is truly just it's heartbreaking yeah it's heartbreaking and how often we have these kind
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of sightseeing tour companies running in new york city this is kind of just a routine thing that
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people do um we want to go to sharon now uh sharon last time we saw you were sharing an update from
02:14:50.000
the ceo of new york helicopter um do you have any other updates yeah just to remind you of what he
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had to say just devastated he said he's a father and a grandfather and has never seen anything like
02:15:00.960
that in his 30 years in the helicopter business now we also heard from the police commissioner from
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the mayor and i should say we heard from one of the first responders telling us that they did
02:15:11.920
everything they could to try to save these lives but as you can see from the video and the helicopter
02:15:17.920
landing out of control into the hudson river upside down there's very little chance for survival
02:15:23.840
unfortunately uh let's hear from mayor adams he spoke within the last hour three adults and three
02:15:31.600
children were on board a bell 206 helicopter that had left from the downtown skyport just about 3 p.m
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the pilot and the family visiting from spain with our preliminary information as at this time
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members of the fdny and nypd harbor units arrived at the scene and divers from both agencies entered
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the water at this time all six victims have been removed from the water and sadly all six victims have been
02:16:07.840
pronounced deceased and we now know as all right um obviously terrible story man um we'll move on to
02:16:17.200
some of the some of the other stuff but uh obviously that was breaking news let me read some of these
02:16:20.640
chats here um so we got here uncle adolph says um you know my a couple of our ig are of our ig clips
02:16:28.880
pages where hundreds of thousands of followers were banned around the same time as yours was banned is
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there any way we could use your method or avenue to get the back so if i get my account back i'll put
02:16:35.680
you guys on with my plug i got you uncle adolph so let me get my uh let me see if i get my accounts
02:16:41.200
back then i will go ahead and put y'all on because i don't want to put anybody on unless like
02:16:44.880
you know they they can actually make it happen i don't want to waste any of you guys this time
02:16:48.800
uh what's your prediction on islam countries like qatar kuwait and saudi of israel
02:16:52.240
bomb all of palestine you are the news to me more than x um here's the thing so and this is what's
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kind of going on in the middle east so the gulf states like qatar um kuwait saudi arabia uae etc these
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countries have money right and a big reason why they have money is because they play ball with the united
02:17:10.400
states they obviously have a lot of oil and um they are friendly with israel but they're in a weird
02:17:16.000
position because their people dislike israel but the government understands for them to maintain
02:17:22.880
their regime they must play nice with israel and united states and this is kind of a ugly reality in
02:17:29.760
the middle east that no one wants to admit so the people of saidi arabia kuwait qatar etc hate israel
02:17:37.280
and they hate the occupation of the palestinian people but the dictators or the monarchs because
02:17:42.640
all these countries are pretty much run by a dictator and or a monarch of some kind right
02:17:49.040
these people understand for them regime to stay in place uninhibited they must play ball with the
02:17:54.560
united states and israel does that make sense a perfect example of this at the highest level is
02:17:58.800
like the country of jordan the country of jordan gets a ridiculous amount of aid from the united states
02:18:04.640
to basically support israel though the jordanians dislike israel the government plays ball with israel
02:18:13.200
for the aid and for the united states support same thing with egypt egypt also gets a bunch of aid
02:18:18.480
to um be friendly to israel because uh egypt is on the border of uh israel and thank you so much
02:18:26.240
100 hour super chat by the way i really appreciate that bro so i'm giving you a little bit more detail
02:18:30.560
here and this comes from hbmm619 so um so that's kind of what it is right so effectively what's
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happened in the middle east is either israel bought every muslim country arab country or they destabilized
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every country that's one of the two things if israel couldn't bribe you they basically got you out of
02:18:53.760
there gaddafi saddam hussein bashar al-assad right um nasir back in like the 50s after the suez canal
02:19:04.000
crisis they got him out of there so um because he was a pan-arab he wanted to unite the arab nations
02:19:10.400
against israel which is actually one of the main reasons why they worked so hard to get a nuclear
02:19:14.560
program because they feared the the pan-arab union against them they barely won the war um so they knew
02:19:21.680
that they needed nuclear capability from that point forward right and just so you guys know uh
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i think one that it was in the 70s the yom kippur war if i'm not mistaken um it was like october of 70
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something um they were gonna lose that war the only reason they won is because the um
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the prime minister at the time and let me double check this
02:19:47.760
because you guys know i do not like talking out my ass yeah here we go bam so the yom kippur war
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right a little bit more history for you ninjas the yom kippur war israel almost lost this war
02:20:03.440
okay um and basically it's known the ramadan war uh the october war was fought from october 6 25
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uh five to uh sorry from october 6 to october 25 october 1973 between israel and a coalition of
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the arab states led by egypt and syria most of the fighting occurred this sinai peninsula and
02:20:23.280
golan heights territories occupied by israel in 1967 some combat also took place in mainland
02:20:27.440
egypt and northern israel egypt aimed to secure a foothold on the eastern bank of the suez canal
02:20:31.360
and used it to negotiate uh the return of the sinai sinai peninsula okay so basically this war went down
02:20:40.640
down they almost lost the only reason they won okay and it's interesting how no one reports this
02:20:46.800
the prime minister at the time was a woman named golda meyer
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okay she was the prime minister at the time right and you know people always talk about women are
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better for peace it's kind of funny she called nixon and told him if you don't give us aid we are going
02:21:08.640
to drop a nuke on these arab nations that's what forced nixon to give these guys like the biggest airlift
02:21:19.920
aid ever and they won the war meyer whatever who cares you you guys already know pronunciation is not
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important so so again this is this is what i mean
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so you go back to 1973 they have the war the yom kippur war right they're losing
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go the heads up richard nixon hey we got nukes if you guys don't help us we are going to drop a nukes
02:21:54.560
drop nukes on these arab countries nixon folds gives them the aid that they want that is the power
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of nuclear weapons my friends that is the power of nuclear weapons this is why israel fought tooth
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and nail to get those nuclear weapons and that is why to this day they will never publicly acknowledge
02:22:12.000
that they have the nuclear weapons and that is the same reason why they are able to um exercise the level
02:22:18.080
of um aggression that they um practice in the middle east because they are the only country in that area
02:22:26.000
that has nuclear weapons this is why they're fighting tooth and nail to make sure iran does not get the
02:22:31.760
nuclear weapons because if iran gets nuclear weapons that means israel cannot destabilize them
02:22:37.360
because they also have a nuclear option they can also exercise something called mutually assured
02:22:42.400
destruction aka mad okay nuclear weapons are a tool
02:22:51.120
to impose strength and mutually assured destruction there's a famous president i think he said uh
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it was roosevelt if i'm not mistaken um speak softly but carry a big stick um let me double check here
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yep i was right yeah it comes from um damn i'm good all right it's good to see my history isn't too
02:23:20.640
rusty yeah theodore roosevelt came up with this and this is the concept you can use when it comes to
02:23:24.560
mutually assured destruction and um nuclear weapons nuclear weapons ironically enough actually preserve
02:23:31.520
peace because no one wants to get destroyed so this is why israel's fighting for it and that's
02:23:36.160
why they threatened using nuclear weapons and that's how they got their usa to 1973 and won the war
02:23:40.720
through that nuclear program that ben-gurion and uh medicare begin and all these other israeli terrorists
02:23:47.840
fought tooth and nail to get where they illegally stole uranium from the united states this all makes
02:23:59.520
so let me bring this all together for you guys let's go string this all together so the question
02:24:15.840
is from hbm which is a good question what's your prediction on islamic countries like qatar
02:24:20.720
quay and saudi if israel bombs all of palestine
02:24:26.560
my prediction is the people of these gulf states will be angry hell they might even rebel
02:24:35.040
because they don't like that the governments of these gulf states support israel but the governments
02:24:40.000
of these gulf states these monarchies understand that they must play nice with israel
02:24:43.200
or else be destroyed and have the regime toppled and that is their number one fear because they have
02:24:50.000
to fight against israel and the united states who are both nuclear powers so israel over the past 30 to
02:24:58.000
40 years has systematically either bribed or destabilized every adversary say that again for you guys
02:25:05.520
since the creation of israel 1948 and even prior they have either bribed or destabilized every arab
02:25:15.840
country in the region that may or may have not opposed them and they've done this through nuclear
02:25:23.760
threat mutually assured destruction pressuring the united states through foreign lobbies like
02:25:27.520
aipac and other zionist organizations a package is the biggest one there's literally a million of them
02:25:31.840
hell even exerting pressure on our president as i told you guys with the gold america mayer situation
02:25:41.280
where she basically told nixon if you don't help us in this war yam kapoor war of 1973 we're going to
02:25:46.160
nuke these arabs and the biggest airlift of american aid ever was flown to israel and they were able to
02:25:52.560
win the war by the skin of their teeth but that is the power of nuclear weapons and this goes back
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back to the 1960s and why kennedy fought so hard to make sure that they would not get nuclear weapons
02:26:07.440
because kennedy and his advisors knew that if israel got their hands on nuclear weapons they will start
02:26:13.200
bullying everybody in the region to include us to include us into giving them aid a prime minister
02:26:22.240
of a foreign country basically called our president saying if you don't give me aid i'm going to use
02:26:29.200
nuclear weapons my friend nick fuentes says that's nuclear blackmail and i agree with him 100 and
02:26:35.440
this is not this isn't new to the israelis this is what they do blackmail is what they do whether
02:26:41.520
it's sexual blackmail nuclear blackmail etc that is the israeli strategy they false flag
02:26:47.840
they blackmail sexually they blackmail nuclear from a nuclear perspective so sexually through nuclear
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weapons and through bribery that is how the state of israel was created and through terrorism that is
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how the state of israel was created and how it exists to this very day
02:27:19.200
wants so badly to destroy iran's nuclear program if iran gets a nuclear program they're going to be
02:27:25.200
basically iran would be able to exert the same type of political pressure and leverage that israel
02:27:29.760
currently does now the united states has to play nice if iran has a nuclear weapon so it would
02:27:36.400
basically keep its sovereignty intact ensure regime stabilization and make sure to curb israel's
02:27:43.520
aggression throughout the region so also if iran procured a nuclear weapon it would prompt these
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other gulf states like qatar quay and saudi arabia to procure nuclear weapons and israel doesn't want
02:27:58.000
that either so yes the only reason that these gulf states play nice with israel
02:28:08.880
is because of their relationship to united states and bribery and pressure that is why so give me
02:28:13.600
what's that chat that makes sense guys i know i kind of went in the weeds there and went to extreme
02:28:17.760
detail but i do think that this is very important for you guys to know uh but give me ones if that
02:28:23.120
makes sense for you ninjas great super chat bro everybody in the chat should thank uh hbm 619
02:28:30.480
for the 100 super chat where you guys got a you know a quick little history lesson on um
02:28:37.680
why the uae saudi arabia kuwait qatar are all cucked by fucking israel that's why
02:28:45.200
santos hey martin there's something someone claiming to have an 882 credit score at 20 at
02:28:48.960
three and castle club you know about credit as much as i do right you need at least 10 years
02:28:52.240
of credit to even hit 800 plus the other credits you aren't touching 823 is it not possible i didn't
02:28:56.400
hate 800 uh bro don't worry about fucking um vanity metrics like that uh me and fresh have said this
02:29:02.720
before i'll say it again anything at a 780 or above credit score bro is um it doesn't matter at that
02:29:08.480
point it's all vanity there in other words there's no real difference between having like a 780 or like
02:29:13.520
an 805 like it's at that point it's like flexing you're going to get all the best terms you know
02:29:18.480
what i mean that's why credit is always you go by ranges you don't go by exact scores so don't trip
02:29:23.200
over bro um easy money sliper any update on that guy that called in that had an alcohol problem and
02:29:31.840
his dad was uh also on the call i don't know bro he never checked back in with us crazy thing i've
02:29:37.440
noticed uh this from speedy i've noticed on after is that women who call you toxic or insecure
02:29:41.760
for not wanting three or four always the women who are three or fours and know they have a shitty
02:29:45.040
past absolutely bro hoes never get mad uh for men calling out sluts or or women that aren't hoes
02:29:53.120
michael raw check to see if the children board and paulson oh no they're they're they're ceased
02:29:59.920
um your boy 11 are you kidding me that's not even a comparison to all these dumb women y'all
02:30:03.440
have invite and after that kid is just infinitely intelligent compared to these women you should
02:30:06.800
invite that kid to show nah man no i just i'm just happy to see that we still uh got smart
02:30:11.680
kids you know uh it makes me happy for our future because i do think future uh children are the
02:30:17.360
the future and we need to protect them i truly do feel that way if you guys look at all my talking
02:30:20.960
points it almost almost always comes back to to um children uh plan omon says uh hey marion i just
02:30:26.880
got one email from the bank asked for my income information because i have a credit card with a
02:30:30.000
limit of 5 000 they said they could lead to limit increase when i apply my income was 80 000 right
02:30:35.920
now my income is 150 what do you think is it recommended me to do it thank you for all you do uh bro ask for
02:30:40.640
um ask for 10 to 20k in your credit line obviously never get that high but ask for the highest limit
02:30:46.400
that you can get and the reason why you want to ask for the highest limit that you can get is so
02:30:49.280
that you have more available credit to you so when you utilize credit the percentage um is able to stay
02:30:54.960
low that's the key you want to have as much available credit to you as possible so that anytime
02:30:59.360
you do use your credit you're never actually passing that 10 threshold which i always tell you guys to
02:31:03.280
try to stay below for optimal scores uh someone's really lucky to catch the uh video of the chopper
02:31:10.800
coming down yeah that is crazy buffalo blanco says you didn't read my chat bro i don't even see your
02:31:17.840
chat um america first alex jones tucker temple are all saying that those pushing j hate or racism
02:31:28.240
hey are taking israel money aj today said he has proof and it will expose the biggest push of this
02:31:32.240
referring to nick or stew is my guess whatever i i know stew and alex don't really get along like that
02:31:38.480
um you know it is what it is man like i i uh i get along with everybody i get along with alex jones
02:31:45.440
i was just on his show last week i get along with tim pool i've been on his show multiple times
02:31:49.040
um i get along with stew i've been on his show multiple times so but as long as um guys are out
02:31:56.640
here telling the truth about israel everyone has a different strategy on how they do it
02:32:00.080
um it is what it is you know so i stay out of other people's beefs bro um
02:32:11.840
okay so this is the chat buffalo blanco was talking about helicopter pilot here the copy
02:32:16.960
crash was definitely a weather and pilot uh negligence but this is a 100 mechanical
02:32:21.120
uh the torque of the blades failed causing such a flip of a flaw okay buffalo blanco thank you for
02:32:26.240
giving us that professional insight um so buffalo blanco do you think that uh there's a high
02:32:32.400
likelihood that there's going to be um a lawsuit coming out of this because it seems to me as
02:32:37.760
though this was probably a company issue where they didn't maintain the the chopper properly
02:32:43.840
so let me know your thoughts on that um so yeah anyway okay so let's go ahead and get into uh this story
02:32:52.640
here um on christy noem she's getting dragged right now for this this comes from the young turks
02:32:59.840
as you guys know i told you i watched uh i watched both liberal and conservative media i think it's
02:33:05.600
always more interesting to watch liberal media though um and here they are making fun of christy
02:33:10.320
noem now who is christy noem christy noem guys is the current secretary of homeland security for those
02:33:15.280
of you guys that watch my podcast i've been talking about christy noem not being fit for the job for a
02:33:19.920
long time as soon as she got appointed i was um critical and the reason why for those that don't
02:33:26.320
know christy noem guys is basically uh former governor of south dakota if i'm not mistaken uh
02:33:32.480
south or north dakota but i think it's south dakota and long story short a governor has no idea on the um
02:33:41.200
immigration and customs situations okay they they really don't it's not their thing okay immigration and
02:33:46.960
customs is strictly a federal issue and a governor is not necessarily um going to be keenly aware of
02:33:55.040
this type of stuff and when she is was announced as the um secretary of homeland security um and
02:34:04.160
she's also known for shooting a dog which is kind of funny we're going to talk about that here in a
02:34:07.360
second um she wrote a book where she talked about like killing a dog and you know people drag her for
02:34:12.160
that but the reason why um i think donald trump put her as secretary of homeland security is because
02:34:21.840
of a couple of reasons number one she's the trump loyalist okay she's always been supportive of trump
02:34:27.120
and his immigration policies um despite criticism right and in this administration he basically made
02:34:32.160
sure his cabinet were all trump loyalists he didn't care so much about them being experienced he cared
02:34:36.080
more about them being loyal to him okay which i understand the first trump administration was rife with
02:34:42.080
betrayals and problems and people that didn't fucking have his back and you know stonewall them
02:34:47.280
at every turn he couldn't do shit for the first two years of his administration chat so i you know
02:34:52.080
being objective here because you guys know i'm pretty very objective when it comes to donald trump
02:34:56.560
though i like him personally um i am critical when he does dumb shit so in this situation with christy
02:35:02.960
noem he put her in place because number one she's a trump loyalist which is something that he didn't get to
02:35:07.920
experience in the first administration he kind of learned his lesson on this go around that's why project
02:35:11.760
2025 was created in the first place um which he's kind of sticking to to a degree just not public
02:35:16.240
about it um and also he brought her on because she's a woman guys i hate to say it but putting
02:35:23.200
women in your cabinet is a good look for you as a president okay as you guys know donald trump has
02:35:28.080
faced several allegations of being a misogynist a sexist a rapist uh you know a pervert etc so putting
02:35:34.640
women um in positions of power in his administration is a very powerful message to his opposers that he
02:35:41.840
does not hate women okay it's um it's a line of security to be honest with y'all okay um and uh
02:35:49.040
lastly she's not ugly she's like uh you know she's like a very marketable person okay she's a good face
02:35:55.920
for the agency um from an optic standpoint okay so he kills a bunch of birds with one stone he has
02:36:03.040
someone that's loyal to him he has a female to get rid of the misogyny claims and then she's an older
02:36:09.040
woman that has that all-american look from the midwest okay that agrees with him on his immigration
02:36:15.840
policies the real person here that's masterminding a lot of the stuff is a guy named tom holman okay
02:36:20.720
that is why he was referred to as the borders are there's a reason why he made tom holman the borders
02:36:24.640
are because tom holman actually has experience tom holman used to be a border patrol agent i think
02:36:29.200
he was a uh he worked under ice as well so he's familiar with title eight in the ina the immigration
02:36:35.520
nationality act so he's the one um doing a lot of the things behind the scenes when it comes to actually
02:36:41.360
implementing policy christy noem is simply the face and this video proves that okay so in this video
02:36:47.920
what you guys are going to see is basically her um doing some dumb shit with a firearm and um
02:36:52.960
dressing up which you know the young turks even though they're a left-wing media organization
02:36:56.800
they're spot on with this i got to give them credit so let's go ahead and react to this video
02:37:02.480
marco and brian today they're letting me roll with them here she is with some ice officers um and just
02:37:07.600
so you guys know ice has two different components immigration customs enforcement there's hsi
02:37:13.120
homeland security investigations the guys i used to work for and then you got uh enforcement
02:37:17.200
removal operations ero so these guys though we have the same badges an ice badge and hsi badge
02:37:23.280
are different if it says ice on the top that means they are ero which means they're deportation
02:37:28.560
officers not special agents i'm gonna say that again pro tip for you guys when you see guys
02:37:34.160
wearing ice stuff and you have this badge here right and i'll go ahead and get it try to get a
02:37:38.000
bigger picture for you guys so um this is what hsi badge looks like okay this is what hsi badge looks
02:38:07.840
boom this is what ice badge looks like so this is the how you guys can tell if someone is hsi or
02:38:13.040
ice just from looking at the badge if you see this print up here like that home rescue investigation
02:38:17.520
special agent bam that's what yeah hsi and then your number would be right here my badge number
02:38:22.000
was 5173 i'll never forget that shit 5173 was my badge number and then here the ice officer says ice
02:38:29.360
and then officer okay so now that we go back to the video you can see here it says ice so these guys
02:38:36.000
are ero okay and typically when it says ice they're going to be ero if it's hsi it's going to say hsi that's
02:38:43.680
another way to tell as well so here she is anyone that um is a firearms guy already sees the problem
02:38:50.720
here okay i could already see some of you guys in the chat commenting my firearms guys already know
02:38:55.760
what the likes are already know what the problem is here so let's play the video we're gonna go out and
02:39:01.760
here we are with marco and brian today they're letting me roll with them we're gonna go out and
02:39:06.400
pick up somebody who i think is got charges of human trafficking um we earlier had an office
02:39:13.280
swept up somebody who was wanted for and she's been doing this guys all year long since you got
02:39:18.320
sworn in she's been basically going out on raid dressing up all this other shit and you guys are
02:39:22.640
gonna see a little bit of that here murder so appreciate the good work that they do every day
02:39:27.040
and we appreciate them working to make america i understand that dhs secretary christy gnome likes
02:39:36.000
to cosplay i totally get it that's actually funny because she does like to cosplay this is actually
02:39:44.400
uh anna uh casparian here is is correct costumes can be fun usually i like to see it at like a hipster
02:39:52.720
party not when it comes to our federal government and not in a situation when uh dhs secretary is
02:39:59.360
holding a gun and pointing the barrel at an agent's head but i'm happy to an officer's head but hey it
02:40:07.600
is what it is you guys know the difference now you guys know um but technically it's really an
02:40:13.200
officer's head but that's fine deportation officer to report john that i'm not the only one who was
02:40:18.080
really worried and disturbed when seeing the placement of said barrel so i'm gonna get to
02:40:24.560
what others have said in just a moment but what are your thoughts yeah look every every one of these
02:40:29.040
little stunts like initially it it annoys me um it's the fetishizing of the deportations of her
02:40:37.040
wanting to get literally a hundred officers together and load them in to an 8.5 ton bear cat
02:40:44.000
to get three migrants and to bring chaya right chick along with you to like live blog the entire
02:40:51.600
thing it's gross it's just really really gross but also like when you see how like she seemingly
02:40:58.400
is just going from one cosplay photo op to another she does it down venezuela she does it here she's
02:41:04.000
flying a plane she's doing all that there's literally no time between it i don't think she has an office
02:41:10.720
in the dhs headquarters and so while it's awful on one level it also shows she's not really the head
02:41:17.520
of dhs she's like how they treated captain america and i told you guys this before i told y'all that
02:41:24.400
she's just the face when when i told you guys this back when trump appointed her as secretary um of dhs
02:41:31.840
did i not call this all the people that watch this this this show i called it back then i was like bro
02:41:38.640
she's just a face like this chick don't know nothing about immigration and i am being vindicated
02:41:43.360
she's literally just parading around at the different dhs agencies you know being the face
02:41:49.520
of the agency but it's really guys like tom holman and other people and her staff that are actually
02:41:54.080
implementing the shit and i called this literally months ago that she wasn't qualified for this job
02:41:59.280
and she was literally just being brought in as an affirmative action dei hire because she's a female
02:42:04.640
he was first turned into captain to insulate trump from all the accusations that he's a misogynist and
02:42:10.640
a great person and a pervert all this other shit i think that's also why he brought pam bondi on you
02:42:15.680
know not to disrupt what's going on but let's be honest here pam bondi is also a bimbo right she's
02:42:22.080
doing more interviews on fucking fox news than actually declassifying um the epstein files jfk took us
02:42:28.640
forever we're still figuring out epstein she did a weird release to a bunch of um those guys at the
02:42:35.840
white house on flight logs that we already had 9 11 i haven't heard shit that's what i really
02:42:41.760
fucking want is 9 11 so um you know she's blaming the southern district of new york uh for not giving
02:42:48.080
her documents but it's like bro you're their boss they can't tell you no and i went over an entire
02:42:55.200
strategy on what i would do if i was department of justice um attorney general i went over this
02:43:01.680
like how she would save face with this but she hasn't done any of that shit she's going on fox
02:43:07.200
news yapping yapping yapping not making should happen and this is not good to the american public
02:43:12.880
right so we got two bimbos two very powerful positions as secretary homeland security and the
02:43:18.480
attorney general that honestly aren't really competent they're there to be the face of the
02:43:32.000
so if you guys want i know we got a lot of new viewers here give me ones if you guys want me to
02:43:36.400
you know rehash the strategy i would implement if i was pam bondi um as the attorney general what i
02:43:41.840
would do to bring uh trust back but um but yeah let's keep watching this with christy noem though
02:43:49.600
in america and they just put him on stage and he did shows or whatever like she's a mascot for dhs
02:43:55.200
it shows they have no faith in her so they just i called this out back in november
02:44:01.920
i called this back out after trump won and designated her as a dhs secretary i literally said
02:44:07.280
she's just gonna be the face of the agency bro i have indicated give her little trips to take
02:44:15.600
or whatever and then the serious people are doing the actual work and that's probably for the best
02:44:20.720
because she's not really that qualified for the photo ops that's she needs to learn some trigger
02:44:25.280
discipline um but she's no more qualified to do the actual work and so at least this really important
02:44:31.200
very large federal bureaucracy isn't actually relying on her work yeah i think that's actually
02:44:38.640
a pretty good assumption because you're right i mean we see a lot of performative stunts from christy
02:44:45.520
gnome a lot of irresponsible stuff as well including pointing uh the barrel of a weapon uh at an ice
02:44:53.440
agent's head now and look the other thing i'll say is for all of the yeah that is fucking terrible bro
02:45:04.080
the second amendment uh advocates out there uh those who are proponents of looser gun regulations
02:45:12.160
come get your girl okay because she's actually doing a lot of damage uh to folks who want to protect
02:45:18.720
the second amendment by being as irresponsible with that firearm as she is so look she joined these
02:45:23.680
ice agents and other law enforcement in arizona to as she claimed arrest this is her statement her
02:45:29.680
quote verbatim arrest dirt bags and get them off our streets uh but as you can see she was pointing
02:45:36.400
the weapon directly at one of the officers heads and that actually does break one of the most obvious
02:45:43.520
and i would venture to say critical important rules when it comes to gun safety so washington post
02:45:49.360
military reporter alex horton uh replied to that video and here's what he had to say about it
02:45:54.880
gnome is pointing the m4 muzzle at an agent with an open dust cover indicating a chambered round
02:46:03.680
it's the worst possible place to point it no one stopped her including the agent to her left
02:46:09.840
who should know better but also had bad muzzle discipline yeah but they ain't gonna say bro
02:46:17.360
the the secretary of homeland security right next to you uh you uh let me just move i mean
02:46:28.880
in that i i if i was there i would have just like i would have been like i would have just moved
02:46:32.560
so she don't look as crazy and i don't look crazy preserve everybody's image
02:46:36.880
asians in a tough spot like what are you gonna do you're gonna tell dhs secretary like don't don't
02:46:42.960
do that and you're gonna correct her we know how some in the trump administration react to being
02:46:48.400
corrected so yeah but i don't know if i had a barrel of a weapon pointing to my head i don't
02:46:53.840
care about anyone's feelings i'm going to tell her to not do that but that didn't happen in this case
02:46:58.480
unsurprisingly she got relentlessly trolled online i'm gonna get to that trolling in a minute did you
02:47:03.200
want to jump in john yeah look i i've never used an m4 or whatever so i don't know how likely the
02:47:09.280
dust cover being open means as a chambered round my assumption would be that in the same way that
02:47:13.600
they're they're just putting her in different outfits like she's on dora the explorer bob the
02:47:19.200
builder or whatever and and she's she's sitting behind vehicles she's not qualified to drive so
02:47:24.720
they just let her like hold them i don't think they're putting bullets in a gun that they give her
02:47:29.760
you know i mean as far as i know there's no dogs around so we don't have to worry about her randomly
02:47:34.640
spraying to try to kill something but still i i don't think they'd want her holding a loaded weapon
02:47:39.680
yeah so democratic new mexico senator martin heinrich wrote christy gnome preparing to break down
02:47:47.120
the door of your local pet shelter and then senator ruben gallego a former may marine says close your
02:47:55.360
ejection pork if you have no rounds in the chamber why do you have a magazine inserted
02:48:00.960
if you have rounds in the chamber or in the magazine why are you flagging the guy next to you
02:48:06.800
stop deporting people without due process things i can definitely agree with now i'm gonna fast for
02:48:12.720
hey guys do me a solid can y'all like the video please we got um 1600 likes um but we got
02:48:19.520
roughly uh almost 5 000 new ninjas in here so guys give me a solid like the video man on youtube it'll
02:48:29.440
help a lot with the algo that's how the channel keeps growing that's how the oss grows i'm gonna
02:48:32.960
turn this thing into a huge fucking movement the oss is going to be taking over we already are
02:48:40.080
we're ratioing people on twitter we're cooking on youtube so like the video guys also chatting the
02:48:47.440
chat guys i engage with the chat chatting the chat that's why i keep it on the side over there
02:48:51.840
i got rumble youtube um x chat castle club guys i'm you guys uh i'm working on right now in a filter
02:49:00.160
so i could put your guys's chats in there too um obviously you guys can say what you want and
02:49:04.640
castle people will be able to see it but if y'all go too crazy and it'll show stars on the public thing
02:49:08.080
but i'm working on a filter because i want y'all to be involved in the conversation too like you guys
02:49:11.360
can literally talk with each other regardless of where you're watching me which i think is awesome
02:49:16.480
so like for example someone from youtube chat could say um hey like like for example this
02:49:24.880
nigga ajaw or taz right can tell k ving video loud compared to voice hey fuck you stop complaining
02:49:31.840
about the audio right so y'all can literally talk to each other in the chat which is funny
02:49:37.040
like we get into rumble youtube wars and shit like that because the chats are all there on one screen
02:49:41.120
coming coming up so um anyway and someone said you only engage with paid chats yes for the most part
02:49:48.240
this is true however i do be glancing and answering questions when i see chats when i when i see that's
02:49:53.200
why i'm always looking to decide here like someone asked earlier um a question and i answered and it
02:49:58.880
wasn't a paid chat bro so forward to her playing dress up because i didn't i didn't realize until today
02:50:07.440
that she really does love costumes like she loves the cosplaying so um in the in just the few past
02:50:14.720
months uh she's put on full military fatigues let's take a look okay having fun there she is she loves
02:50:22.400
it she loves it uh here she is with the coast guard funny shit tended to be a firefighter in uh
02:50:28.880
i ain't gonna lie bro i told y'all that they're just bringing her in for the face of the agency but
02:50:37.920
this is kind of funny for them to have all these pictures of her dressing up and
02:50:41.040
shit pretending to do stuff uh alaska she is okay um and donned border patrol and ice uniforms complete
02:50:50.400
with a hey man this is this is some funny ass bro a bulletproof vest like as as if she's gonna put
02:51:00.960
herself in like a dangerous situation and might get shot no she likes to play dress up you know
02:51:06.960
likes to play make believe uh in ads she may go ahead it go ahead like you show some of them it's like
02:51:12.160
it's when she's like on a mission or whatever like i'm in the streets but she also like went to new
02:51:17.440
york and she put on one of those you saw and she did an interview in the fox news studio it's like
02:51:22.320
you literally brought a costume into a studio you're such a joke isn't it considered a law a crime to
02:51:33.120
pose as like a member of the military when you're not it's a crime to oppose as a federal agent
02:51:39.040
i actually i actually had a case guys where i arrested a guy um i arrested a group of people which
02:51:44.800
it's a big case i'm i promise i'm gonna tell you guys a story one day all right uh but it hit
02:51:49.200
national news i actually made it i did a case one time on a guy that impersonated a border patrol agent
02:51:56.000
you know what hold on hold on i guess i got receipts on receipts
02:52:17.760
this was my case guys you see the gray hairs on my head see these grays you want to know when they
02:52:28.160
december 11 2015 this case right here i'll never forget forget this case and i promise you guys
02:52:34.320
y'all got my word one day i'll talk about this case i'm waiting on a buddy of mine that i want to
02:52:39.120
bring on uh i'm trying to talk my buddy to help me on this case um to come on stream and we could
02:52:45.840
discuss it fully with you guys now with that said okay because this is national news back in 2015
02:52:59.600
he probably won't be able to show his face it'll probably be voice only but i will get him on and we
02:53:04.320
will talk about this case this case was fucking crazy dude let me see if there's a
02:53:34.080
but y'all will get it see bro i could actually pull up see this bro
02:53:39.120
what other youtuber can pull up investigations that they actually did that are in the news
02:53:53.680
that was my case i remember that thing vividly bro vividly and i'm going to tell you guys a story one
02:53:59.360
day and it's awesome but yes to answer anic experience question yes there is a specific
02:54:06.240
charge for impersonating a federal officer i don't know about military but impersonating a federal
02:54:09.760
officer yes there's a bunch of uh different things
02:54:16.000
but um but yeah there's there's elements that need to be met someone said you you cap and you're a desk
02:54:38.640
some of you niggas are new here so let me go ahead and and um shut some of you niggas up that are new
02:54:58.240
you see that bro see that u.s immigration customs director's award 2019 excellence in law enforcement
02:55:05.120
award for extraordinary achievement strong leadership and dedicated teamwork and executing the ice law
02:55:11.440
law enforcement mission presented to amra fuddle you see that you stupid
02:55:25.120
who oversees all of immigration customs enforcement both the hsi side and the dhs side
02:55:31.360
on an investigation i did against the tamil tigers in 2019
02:55:35.760
okay i've done several ocf cases which you probably don't even know what the
02:55:42.480
fuck that is hell most agents on the job don't even know what that is
02:55:50.000
i've done national security cases involving espionage with iranian nationals
02:55:54.480
i've done mexico cartel investigations i've done large-scale drug trafficking or ocf cases
02:55:59.920
that literally span different states and countries
02:56:09.520
from the caribbean in the united states canada turks and caicos china
02:56:22.320
and i'll tell you guys about that case one day too i think it's still active i'll be honest with
02:56:28.320
y'all that's why i'm reluctant to talk about that one that's the that's what got me that award
02:56:38.720
unprecedented where we had and i've never said this before
02:56:42.800
i did an undercover operation where i had one of my guys posing as a dirty federal agent
02:56:56.720
my co-case agent that ran that case with me i had two of them one of them was the undercover and he
02:57:02.960
posed as a dirty federal agent so we did a double double switcheroo that's why i won that award
02:57:10.320
motherfucker so when people sit there and say myron you were a desk agent
02:57:20.640
no motherfucker people were at the desk supporting my fucking cases
02:57:25.840
when i left the agency i had one of the biggest national security cases in the country
02:57:31.440
they were shocked when i resigned they did not think i was going to resign
02:57:34.080
obviously i had people that i was responsible for so i resigned
02:57:45.600
so also not to toot my horn but i'll fucking do it since we're on this topic
02:57:50.160
niggas always want to sit here and say that myron was a desk agent or whatever
02:57:56.720
for laredo texas you want to know something about the laredo office out of laredo texas
02:58:04.720
that is the busiest office in the biggest area of responsibility
02:58:11.200
and um in south texas so basically the laredo office is the busiest office in the busiest aor
02:58:18.800
i was the number one arresting agent in that aor which effectively means i was pretty much number
02:58:23.280
one in the country in 2016. i got the director's award in 2019
02:58:35.600
led several ocdef cases that led to huge arrests
02:58:42.480
disrupted an entire ring of motherfuckers that were impersonating border patrol agents
02:58:53.040
so no bro when people say oh myron you're a desk agent or whatever show me someone that can pull up
02:58:59.280
their cases their actual cases on the fucking internet and then talk about it with the degree
02:59:05.680
of certainty and precision that i do no one comes close no one comes close there is no one else on the
02:59:13.840
internet that understands federal investigations
02:59:20.240
doing investigations at a high level than i do not even close no one on fucking youtube and you
02:59:26.080
guys could take that to the bank this is the one topic that i am extremely cocky on and the reason why
02:59:31.760
is because i've worked with some of the top agents in the country on several different types of cases and
02:59:36.640
i'd be laughing all them niggas too okay you guys talk about mama mentality myron you go super hard
02:59:43.520
with the streaming and shit like that bro y'all should have seen me when i was on the job bro
02:59:49.760
there was one guy tell you guys a funny story i never told this story either before
02:59:55.520
there's a guy i was investigating while i was here in miami he was involved in a smuggling ring
02:59:59.760
basically what he would do is he would smuggle guns and illegal aliens from the bahamas
03:00:03.840
destined for the united states and back and forth and this guy was like a middleman dude
03:00:08.160
he had been on the radar for 20 to 30 years no one was ever able to catch him right so every time
03:00:14.800
this motherfucker came to the united states i was at the fucking airport give me your phones every
03:00:20.480
time this dude tried to come in on boats whatever hey give me your shit it got to a point where the
03:00:26.960
the nigga started mailing his devices to himself or he would leave the country on it with a cricket
03:00:32.880
phone and come back with the cricket phone that's how much i was on his ass he knew me on a first day
03:00:39.280
basis okay normally the way you're supposed to do it is just have the cbp officers do it for you they
03:00:48.880
stop him they take his shit whatever nah i was like i would be there falcon punch all right
03:01:05.520
so the the reason why i tell you all that story is because i'm i'm very persistent in what i do
03:01:09.840
so again i don't really care so much about this guy saying i'm a desk agent but people say it all the
03:01:16.000
time and i'm like i can actually pull up receipts i've shown you guys um the pedophile i caught the
03:01:24.240
border patrol agent i i've shown you guys criminal complaints of cases i've done i've shown you guys
03:01:28.800
um and i haven't even got to the good the big cases yet i've just shown you guys like stuff that i could
03:01:32.240
talk about that i know is completely done so yeah man desk agents don't get excellence awards from the
03:01:50.560
back to the video what i don't know i don't know i would assume that if i was a member of the military
03:01:55.920
i would be deeply offended by it it's a strange joke so uh in ads she made while governor of south
03:02:02.800
dakota uh she dressed up as an like as an elect and one more flex for you that case that i told you
03:02:09.360
about that i got this director's award for the saml tiger case um that case got a department of
03:02:15.360
justice award as well the attorney general award i built that case up months after i resigned that
03:02:23.600
case got a fucking department of justice awards because one of my colleagues messaged me and said
03:02:27.040
hey we're um we're gonna be going to dc to get uh the ag award which is the highest
03:02:31.840
level award you can get in the country for a fucking case
03:02:39.280
so to anyone that says myron your desk agent or whatever motherfucker i got receipts on receipts
03:02:45.520
on receipts my case got a doj award suck a fucking dick that is literally less than one percent of
03:02:53.120
federal agents get that fucking award the most prestigious award in the fucking land
03:02:56.640
by the way on a case that i built up that i got the director's award for the only reason i don't
03:03:03.200
have that doj award is because i resigned from the agency before i could get it but literally months
03:03:09.040
after i left one of my colleagues that did that case with me messaged me and said this case is
03:03:13.360
getting a doj award and a part of me was like god fucking damn it man
03:03:17.840
so i was really out here doing shit you don't get a doj award by being a desk agent
03:03:27.360
motherfucker so shut the fuck up this is something that i'm extremely passionate about that i put my
03:03:34.080
life into risk my life for literally sacrifice my 20s for i didn't party i didn't drink i literally
03:03:43.440
only worked that's why i became so good at the fucking job getting director's awards in my
03:03:54.960
so yeah for any other hater out there i already got a receipt with the ice award but if i had stayed
03:04:01.120
just a few more months i would have got that doj award too so i told all of them they fucking owe me
03:04:07.440
because my intelligence analyst my undercover my co-case agent all of them i told them they
03:04:13.600
all fucking owe me for that because they all got ag awards off of my fucking shit man
03:04:22.800
electrician a welder a dentist and a nurse i'm really curious if she has a closet dedicated for
03:04:30.400
these like cosplaying you know costumes it's kind of incredible and uh yeah there you have it
03:04:37.760
there you have it that's christy gnome our government is a joke at the at the moment being
03:04:43.200
yes but by the way what i love about this is she's like the one person in the cabinet that wasn't
03:04:48.960
chosen who was like a tv personality and she's the one acting most like a person who's just supposed
03:04:54.640
to be in front of a camera yeah maybe she just knows what trump likes you know he likes the people
03:05:00.240
who look like they're out of central casting he likes the cosplaying he likes the performative nature
03:05:06.160
of some of these politicians and she loves to perform so there you have it christy gnome performing
03:05:11.840
sometimes in a potentially deadly way sometimes in a fun cosplaying way that could be against the law
03:05:19.520
if you wore the same military fatigues so there you have it every time you ring the bell below an angel
03:05:25.920
gets his swings totally not true but it does keep you updated on our live shows so let's go over to
03:05:32.640
the next one this also comes from uh the young turks uh major taylor marjorie taylor green
03:05:39.600
also known as mtj apparently she got busted for a massive tariff insider trading scandal
03:05:45.520
so let's see what they got to say about this um also guys real quick i forgot to mention this
03:05:51.680
shit um one of my buddies man one of my best childhood given one of my best friends childhood
03:05:55.600
just texted me he said bro you should do this more often um this video just dropped
03:05:59.680
um right here if you go to my channel um this video right here i think it's very important the
03:06:10.880
truth about illegal immigration in america in this video guys i break down how illegal aliens come to
03:06:16.560
united states and the networks that are involved in doing it um it's 20 minutes long i'm gonna go back
03:06:21.440
and put timestamps in it later on for you guys um and it's a 4k um as you guys remember when i recorded
03:06:27.520
the video when i did the stream it was in 720 but i went ahead and got the full actual version so now
03:06:31.920
i got in 4k now when it comes to illegal aliens in united states nine out of ten times that illegal
03:06:36.880
alien probably had to pay some illicit criminal network to be able to come into united states
03:06:41.200
and i think it's very important that you guys all know this because people think all the time oh my god
03:06:44.560
these are like innocent people that are just coming here and they're being abused but make no mistake
03:06:48.400
about it they had to pay an illicit organization to facilitate their entry into united states and these
03:06:53.200
illicit organizations a lot of times also are involved in drug trafficking they're involved in extortion
03:06:57.440
they're involved in murder they're involved in all kinds of things what's up guys what's up what's
03:07:00.960
up what's up man happy to have you guys here so what i'm gonna do first so this is how i started it
03:07:05.920
i kind of gave a speech on this and opened it up for questions but yeah man if you guys want here's
03:07:10.880
i'm gonna drop the link for you guys you know go check it out you know watch it um very informative
03:07:17.120
video on how um illegal immigration actually works so um so yeah
03:07:32.960
and it's a 4k so it's in way better quality than the stream so i'm putting clips back up uh in 4k
03:07:38.720
from this uncensored america which by the way while we're at it april 22nd motherfuckers
03:07:44.640
university of south carolina i am gonna be there okay
03:07:51.440
let me actually go ahead and i'll play this a little bit for you guys
03:07:54.960
is i'm going to kind of explain my background how immigration works in america when it comes to
03:07:59.840
illegal aliens coming here and then obviously we'll open it up for discussion i'm sure a lot
03:08:03.840
of you guys probably have a bunch of questions on my views on women and
03:08:06.960
news and a bunch of other stuff so anyway uh yeah we're going there we're going there welcome
03:08:23.040
link at the top of the description university of south carolina it's going to be lit um
03:08:30.080
my guy from uncensored america they already got 50 tickets sold holy
03:08:37.040
shit um so i don't know how many spots we're going to have left
03:08:48.240
they got a disavowal they got a disavowal from another university so it is so this organization
03:08:54.160
uncensored america they have like contracts and relationships with like different universities
03:08:58.400
bringing uh speakers um they just got their first disavowal from one of the universities they
03:09:03.600
work with for for platforming me so let's go w baby they have been disavowed
03:09:11.120
by some university on their list we're the first ones to do it by the way
03:09:17.280
milo and destiny and owen shroyer none of them could do it but i did it so let's go baby
03:09:22.400
so i'm going to be there south carolina we're going to set up a tent we're going to debate some
03:09:29.840
fucking feminists we're gonna um have a speech after so this one isn't going to just be a lecture
03:09:36.000
it's also going to be a um it's also going to be a debate tent april 22nd two days from now south
03:09:42.720
carolina it's going to be fucking awesome guys so if you're in the area come through link is in the top
03:09:49.200
of the description i'd love to fucking see you guys there in person um and uh yeah that's that's
03:09:55.120
really it man so anyway um but yeah this is the video right here i go over my background and
03:10:01.760
like yeah like like yeah yeah shout out to the agents oh and i make some racial jokes and
03:10:06.080
shit like that i i basically ran did my first stand-up comedy run on this one as well so
03:10:11.440
anyway uh let's get back to the mjt stuff um but yeah uh link is in the description top of the
03:10:20.000
description for the uncensored america event and then here's the youtube video put this in your queue
03:10:24.160
for later guys really informative video um so anyway link is there for you guys all right let's go back
03:10:34.080
to the mtj mtg excuse me video given what the government's been doing and this administration's
03:10:40.400
been doing it would not shock me and i i hate to speculate if we were to find out that a whole bunch
03:10:46.560
of people who work in washington as our yeah and some of you hater ass niggas in the chest said oh this
03:10:50.880
wasn't even a debate or whatever okay pull up and then debate pull up then you guys were talking
03:10:58.880
talking about the people at the at the um at penn state saying that they're not debating or whatever
03:11:03.760
like bro then you pull up then if you want to push back the fuck our elected leaders one way
03:11:09.920
or the niggas over here talking shit from an anon account talking about oh bro
03:11:16.640
other ultimately sold stocks last week uh or potentially worse than that short of the market
03:11:23.920
cnbc's andrew ross sorkin may have been onto something when he shared his suspicion that government
03:11:30.720
officials and elected politicians might have been gaming the stock market or gaming a stock market
03:11:36.720
crash in order to you know cash in doing it to their advantage because new reporting from sludge has
03:11:43.920
found that congresswoman marjorie taylor green has been making some pretty fishy trades jink interesting
03:11:51.840
and the timing of the trades are also very curious yes so i'm going to tell you how they uh what scenario
03:11:59.120
those trades might make honestly dude i don't think they just need to make it illegal that if you are
03:12:05.600
a um politician where you are getting insider information or you are involved in the legislative
03:12:13.600
process like they should be banned from being allowed to trade on the markets them and their
03:12:18.480
immediate family members you know i mean to end up like with nancy pelosi who's the best
03:12:24.000
fucking trader in the world she's better than warren buffett damn near like bro like that should just
03:12:30.320
make that shit illegal honestly if you are in the if you are in the legislative branch are you in
03:12:35.760
hell in any position where you're legislating shit you're getting laws passed you're writing up um
03:12:41.520
policies any of this stuff that can affect the markets you should not have the ability to trade on
03:12:47.200
the open market like this should be a no-brainer but whatever sense and what scenario they don't
03:12:55.680
make sense and then we'll see which one marjorie taylor green fits into so look you probably won't
03:13:00.400
be surprised to find that publicly marjorie taylor green has been very supportive of donald trump's
03:13:05.920
trade policies she posts about it on x she's done so repeatedly i'll give you a taste of just a few of her
03:13:13.120
posts in one example she writes america first means american workers first these tariffs are
03:13:19.760
liberation day for steel workers auto workers and every forgotten small town empty factories will be
03:13:26.320
full again president trump is bringing our economic independence back now that's a common message that
03:13:32.080
you'll hear from trump supporters certainly those closest to him and elected lawmakers as well i'll give
03:13:38.880
you some more examples she writes the covet vaccine experts and couch stock traders need to take a look
03:13:45.760
at the history of the stock market they didn't care when the stock market was down big under joe biden's
03:13:51.520
america last policies this is a short-lived correction that will end up paying dividends for american workers
03:13:59.360
and manufacturers across the country now let me just pause and say i i'm still very skeptical that the real
03:14:05.600
intent here by the trump administration is to bring manufacturing jobs back in fact we're getting a
03:14:10.560
little more clarity from his treasury secretary scott besant about how this is really just an effort to
03:14:15.760
renegotiate trade deals but i digress so all of that that i just shared with you in regard to her post
03:14:22.400
are noteworthy because between march 17th and march 25th marjorie taylor green bought up to 750
03:14:30.240
000 worth of treasury bonds now jake why would anyone uh uh well we just talked about the treasury
03:14:37.200
bonds didn't we we just talked about the treasury bonds with um with george gavin
03:14:46.960
by treasury bonds because when the market crashes um people take their money out that's why they're
03:14:53.600
selling the stocks that's why the stocks are going down then they have cash where do they put that cash
03:14:58.400
they usually put it in treasury bonds because they're safer that's where you want to go in
03:15:02.640
times that are volatile like this so the value of those treasury bonds then go up and we've now found
03:15:09.200
out thanks to bill ackman a billionaire donor of trump that howard lutnick uh his former firm
03:15:17.120
canter fritz-gerald heavily in bonds and are probably making a killing from this so how when they went into
03:15:23.920
bonds is a different question than this story but it's another example of well if you know the
03:15:29.440
market's going to crash you're going to treasury bonds that's exactly right and that's exactly what
03:15:33.760
she did and that's what she did ahead of trump's tariffs announcement on liberation day okay so she
03:15:39.760
moves ton of money up to that amount right 750 000 the reason why we don't know the exact amount is
03:15:46.560
because members of congress while they have to disclose what they're trading they don't have to
03:15:50.880
disclose the exact amount they disclose a range they say that they've you know invested a range of
03:15:56.960
money now with that said she invests in bonds right before the liberation day announcement
03:16:05.760
but then something else happens so let's go to unusual whales my favorite x account
03:16:11.840
they write this is unusual yesterday meaning on april 7th
03:16:16.240
politician marjorie taylor green said that people panicking over tariffs are losers and failures today
03:16:23.440
she disclosed over a dozen stock purchases purchasing hundred of hundred of that hundred
03:16:30.960
hundred thousand dollars uh or i'm sorry purchasing hundred of thousands of numerous stocks there we go so
03:16:37.120
she bought uh when the market was deeply red so what kind of stocks did she buy she bought a stock in
03:16:43.200
amazon jpmorgan chase lululemon apple and many many more and she bought up to one and a half million
03:16:50.400
dollars worth of stock year to date now all of this is especially concerning um you know when you consider
03:16:56.160
that last week the president himself reposted a video essentially stating that he crashed the stock
03:17:02.400
market on purpose i'm not kidding he posted this take a look trump is crashing the stock market by
03:17:08.400
20 percent this month but he's doing it on purpose and this is why warren buffett just said trump is
03:17:13.840
making the best economic moves he's seen in over 50 years now here's the secret game he's playing and it
03:17:20.400
could make you rich so why is he doing this to push cash into treasuries which forces the fed to slash
03:17:27.440
interest rates in may and those lower rates give the fed the ability to refinance trillions of debt
03:17:33.280
very inexpensively it also weakens the dollar and drops mortgage rates now it's a wild chess move but
03:17:39.600
it's working now you're probably wondering what about his tariffs well i'll tell you it's a genius play
03:17:44.320
it actually forces companies to build here to dodge them bruh this is super cope as we discussed before
03:17:51.840
it also forces farmers to sell more of their products here in the u.s to bring grocery prices way down
03:17:58.640
we've already seen this with eggs now remember 94 of all stocks are owned only by eight percent of
03:18:05.520
americans so trump he's taking from the rich short term and handing it to the middle class through
03:18:10.560
lower prices okay uh warren buffett said no such thing that was totally made up and there were all
03:18:16.960
sorts of inaccuracies in that video but can i just say you can point out a couple of those and then we'll
03:18:21.680
get to the point so he's not handing anything to the middle class he's yeah he's saying from the rich but
03:18:26.880
he's also taking from the middle class because this is gonna not lead to lower prices gonna lead to
03:18:31.520
higher prices that's the problem if it was leading to lower prices would be thrilled and bragging about
03:18:37.760
how you're weakening the dollar is not the bragging you think it is and that could be a huge problem for
03:18:42.240
america so this guy's playing with fire that video had so many things that were wrong with it and just
03:18:46.960
simply not true and of course trump retweets it and so it's frustrating that they're not bothering to
03:18:53.040
get any of the details right you could make a real case for terrorists as we've said before
03:18:56.480
because and it does look bad that she invested in a bunch of treasuries when we know that that was
03:19:00.960
the industry that was going to take you know that that can't be these basically was the jenga block
03:19:06.000
under you know george gammon's words that would have uh brought the house of cards coming down so
03:19:10.560
you know this looks absolutely terrible from mtg here to be uh buying all these goddamn treasuries
03:19:18.800
um guys just so you know there is a twitter space going on right now discussing the joe rogan debate
03:19:24.240
um we can go ahead and jump in there right because it's going on right now um obviously we have
03:19:29.440
these other stories but i can kind of put those on hold for now because the space is live so we can go
03:19:54.880
Palestinian guests unless jewish guests then you know he would like to see and it's not like diverse
03:20:01.520
enough and then at the same like uh point you have dave smith who's obviously jewish kind
03:20:07.760
what are your thoughts like do you think like this is planned like they take like these huge uh
03:20:12.960
alternative media like uh conglomerates like these leaders and then they give them a little bit of
03:20:18.560
like uh you know like i guess like a stage time to kind of like touch upon issues so that no one else
03:20:28.560
all right so chat this is what i'm going to do because i notice that when we when i go into these
03:20:31.600
spaces sometimes um niggas just get in a yap fest randoms so i'm coming to the space i'm gonna have
03:20:37.440
someone summarize what happened in the debate and we'll kind of get the goods and you know
03:20:41.120
figure out what's going on and then go from there
03:20:45.360
but since october the 7th the biggest zionist talking points which is extremely important right
03:20:50.720
because if you believe in the zionist propaganda about october the 7th you are manufacturing consent
03:20:57.040
for the israeli genocide of gaza because part of the reason they made these lies up about the 40
03:21:02.800
beheaded babies the mass rape the hamas weapons in hospitals and schools the tunnels and so on
03:21:09.680
and so forth was because they wanted to manufacture consent for why they want to destroy gaza and
03:21:14.880
commit a genocide so when like someone like dave smith is agreeing to that he's literally agreeing to
03:21:20.400
the biggest israeli position right now that's the and so yeah i do believe that they put him and then
03:21:25.280
the second point is a big part of that is to demonize islamic muslims and again he agrees to that
03:21:30.880
and so in reality when you've got both of these major points i would say integral points and you've
03:21:37.120
got this guy debating probably one of the biggest extreme zionists like douglas murray probably the
03:21:41.840
biggest extreme anti-islamophobe such as douglas murray i mentioned his history with the henry jackson
03:21:47.440
society and so when you have that scenario is intent i do believe is intentional and i do believe
03:21:52.960
that's the reason why he's platformed in addition to obviously him being jewish uh and and the problem i've
03:21:58.720
got with him is yeah it's fine if he wants to debate all good but when he's given agreeing to
03:22:03.680
israeli propaganda now everybody who watches the joe rogan show is automatically going to think hamas
03:22:09.680
committed a terrorist attack on october the 7th it was the worst thing since the holocaust which is
03:22:13.280
what they both agree with islam is a extreme religion the muslims are overtaking europe um that um you
03:22:21.760
know israel is right to basically uh defend itself is what the claim they make is right a right to
03:22:28.960
respond um and then the only question is oh maybe they shouldn't kill too many kids and so that's
03:22:33.520
what the whole debate is about it's what blakely said quite right the nuance like how maybe they
03:22:37.360
should have killed a few less kids and that's literally what the conversations have been about
03:22:40.800
as opposed to the extreme behavior of the israeli terrorist regime the fake news about october the
03:22:47.440
7th the fact that um zionism is a problem that israel did keep um gaza on india as a constitution
03:22:55.040
concentration camp before october the 7th and israel did kill many palestinians in the west bank and
03:23:01.120
various other places in 2023 uh over two three hundred so like these are the points that dave smith
03:23:07.840
doesn't go into and his whole point is just oh clean break memo uh you know five they've already
03:23:13.680
attacked six countries one country to go like literally we know his feeling they're the only points he
03:23:17.280
makes and he just brushes over that but the biggest point which impacts people's hearts and minds
03:23:22.640
is the the zionist talking points which he agrees to i want to welcome myron to the space uh myron how
03:23:27.440
you doing hey what's up man um i'm on stream i literally came at a good time because you were
03:23:32.160
kind of going into some of the points because i was actually going to react to this this debate on
03:23:35.440
stream but i figured you guys had a space i'd come in real quick and uh get some of the bullet points i
03:23:40.000
see that you uh mentioned some of them already that uh you feel as though dave smith faltered so
03:23:45.360
what so you do you think he lost sulaiman yeah yeah i think he lost okay lost uh badly so the only
03:23:53.920
thing that murray did bad on was issues where dave smith didn't say anything murray just made himself
03:23:59.840
look like a fool so the first one was at the beginning where murray claimed that you need to be
03:24:05.040
to be able to back to speak and or be accepted by honor issue is you need to be an expert which again we
03:24:14.080
know what's happened when we listen to experts on a wide range of issues recently but b he's a
03:24:18.720
hypocrite because as an example he spoke about covid he was anti-covid but he's not a scientist he's not
03:24:25.200
an epidemiologist so therefore even his whole argument about you basically being an authority
03:24:30.560
to be speak about summer he's contradicted in the past so he used the authority fallacy on smith right
03:24:36.640
away yeah he did and then the second point that again murray made a fool of himself uh-huh but but
03:24:44.000
dave smith agreed with him was he was like oh you know the the concern i have is that now there's way
03:24:49.120
too much anti-semites because uh the right is being overtaken by this issue and therefore you know we need
03:24:54.880
to be careful on what we say so dave smith agreed with him on that which was ridiculous dave smith agreed
03:25:00.240
with him on october the 7th all the propaganda about october the 7th he believed him on the 40
03:25:05.520
beheaded babies and all that he didn't mention that but he mentioned that october the 7th was the
03:25:09.760
worst terrorist attack there was he mentioned that there was mass rape he all of these things did he
03:25:14.960
at least mention the hannibal directive he didn't mention the hannibal directive as well he didn't
03:25:19.920
mention wow even douglas murray mentioned that they should return the hostages dave smith didn't
03:25:25.280
mention that hamas offered on october the 10th to swap all the hostages oh wow so he and so he
03:25:32.800
agreed to all the propaganda dave dude this is stuff that like this is basic i remember me and you
03:25:39.440
talked about this like over a year ago like that is yeah and that comes from israeli media like how
03:25:44.400
do how do people not know that literally hamas said hey we will give you back the hostages just
03:25:49.040
don't invade gaza and then yahoo said no and he went in anyway like yes what do you think do you
03:25:54.080
think dave's like dave smith agreed to that he agreed to the uh hamas being billionaires which
03:25:59.440
is fake news he agreed that basically uh hamas have weapons in hospitals and schools and all these
03:26:05.920
various other places he agreed to all of the propaganda damn bro i mean okay what would you
03:26:12.080
say because i haven't seen interview yet so i'm gonna watch it right um i haven't seen it yet i literally
03:26:17.360
just came in here first um i'm probably gonna like after i finish uh talking with you guys i'm probably
03:26:22.000
gonna open it up and go through it with with uh with my chat but um so what do you think is the
03:26:28.000
most damaging because because so you're coming from the angle that it's not that you so you think
03:26:33.360
dave smith lost be mostly because he agreed to false talking points which basically uh he didn't
03:26:41.040
refute a lot of the talking points that he should have refuted versus just relying on his argument if
03:26:45.680
that makes sense he should have been a more aggressive stance refuting arguments yeah yeah so dave smith is
03:26:51.200
put in this position because he agrees with the zionist position on a wide range of issues so he
03:26:58.000
agrees with them about october the 7th he agrees with them that islam is a problem he agrees with
03:27:03.280
them that people on the right are anti-semites he agrees with all of those points so therefore what
03:27:08.400
does the different what is the he agrees that hamas is a terrorist organization he agrees that uh hamas uh
03:27:15.600
are the bad guys and so when you basically have that scenario so where are the points of
03:27:22.240
disagreement so let me guess disagreement essentially become about nuance and you know
03:27:26.240
israel basically kill too many kids let me let me guess so did the dave smith make because i think
03:27:31.120
there might be a strategy here because he's a smart guy he should know better it so did his argument
03:27:35.840
pretty much did he make the typical because i've talked about this before when people talk about october
03:27:40.560
seven there's two factions there's people that make the humanitarian argument right these people
03:27:45.840
tend to be guys like hassan piker and you know people on the left then there's people that make
03:27:51.040
the nationalist argument like you know i would fall in this camp maybe dave smith would fall in this camp
03:27:56.560
depending on who he's talking to etc but i also talk about the humanitarian shit too because the
03:28:00.640
humanitarian shit is what israel used as ammunition to justify their asymmetrical aggression in this
03:28:07.360
conflict so you know you have to talk about the beheaded babies being a lie you have to talk
03:28:11.840
about the mass rapes being completely embellished you have to talk about how there was a deal in
03:28:16.240
place to not to avoid this entire conflict on the 10th um and the fact that dave smith didn't mention
03:28:20.720
any of that is crazy so would it be fair to say he pretty much went the whole nationalist angle
03:28:24.960
israel controls our government this is problematic is that the angle you just pretty much stayed on
03:28:30.160
no because he doesn't even believe israel he didn't talk about that but remember his position
03:28:33.360
isn't that israel controls our government remember he oh wow us government remember his his position
03:28:38.080
is that us controls israel right um now he did say about uh the israeli lobby having uh control
03:28:45.280
over the us but again it was very fleeting whereas douglas murray spent yeah it was like
03:28:56.960
yeah i appreciate that mark so yeah he he doesn't he so in a very fleeting way but douglas murray like
03:29:05.600
it speaks in detail about how qatar controls the us which we know is fake news and then he like very
03:29:11.840
quickly within a few seconds mentions israeli control uh or you know israel a pack of influence
03:29:17.600
and it's very fleeting and so he doesn't even go into detail on that honestly like i'm not exaggerating
03:29:23.360
when i say it they were it was very bad performance but i knew it was going to be a bad performance
03:29:28.720
because he lost against laura looma based on the two same things he didn't push back on october the
03:29:32.480
7th he agreed that hamas were extremists he agreed that islam was an extreme it was extreme so when you
03:29:38.880
basically have the same foundational principle there's no way that you're going to basically win in a
03:29:42.480
debate interesting interesting um i'm gonna watch it man and look at it i i some people here are saying
03:29:49.200
that they think that um uh you know some people here are saying that they think that uh dave smith
03:29:56.000
won uh but i guess it depends on how you interpret it right if it if you're interpreting it from the
03:30:00.880
angle of um you know debunking the propaganda when it comes to islam that might be one metric of
03:30:06.800
success and then if you're gonna debunk the you know whole israel is our greatest ally that's another
03:30:12.240
argument to make because i think that there's multiple arguments to be made um when you're debating
03:30:17.040
this topic you got the does israel control our government that's one uh does the united states
03:30:21.840
get benefit from supporting israel to the same extent that's another one um does israel purposely
03:30:27.760
demonize islamic religion to justify their asymmetric warfare you know that's one so there's so many
03:30:32.960
different fronts that you kind of have to attack that you can attack this um this debate stance from
03:30:39.600
and i think for dave smith um i think the safest way to go at least on a public venue is to not
03:30:46.560
necessarily challenge so much the israeli propaganda that's permeated throughout american media rather to
03:30:53.120
show that israeli propaganda controls the media if that makes sense so he didn't even do that so the
03:30:59.280
only thing he basically why people think he won is twofold the first is as i said at the beginning
03:31:05.840
douglas murray was talking about how you need to be an expert but dave smith didn't do a good job
03:31:10.720
it's just everyone saw the stupidity of that argument gotcha and the second point was that
03:31:16.240
douglas murray was basically saying that based on the war that children being killed or innocent
03:31:22.960
civilians being killed is collateral damage and now people are like oh my god that's horrific he made
03:31:28.160
douglas murray agree to that but if you look at douglas murray's argument which is what dave smith
03:31:33.120
conceded to is oh hamas have weapons in hospitals hamas have weapons in schools hamas have weapons
03:31:39.280
every two three buildings and to that he conceded so once you concede to that argument you kind of
03:31:45.200
concede to the point that israel is going to have to bomb a bit more so the whole thing becomes a
03:31:50.240
fallacious point so like i don't see any scenario where dave smith won i think it's just like people
03:31:55.520
who are poor palestine will obviously say he won because they feel like he's perpetuating certain
03:31:59.360
pro-palestinian points and people do get excited it's like a football team uh all the libertarians
03:32:04.080
will get excited because he's a libertarian and they're like a little crew themselves but if you
03:32:07.920
analyze the debate i i mean i think douglas murray's like rubbish he's not a good debater but like he
03:32:13.600
didn't challenge him on on many uh important foundational points yeah i'm looking right now and uh the top
03:32:20.720
comment on this video at this moment is literally what you said here about um the whole uh appeal to
03:32:26.000
authority argument of being an expert um that's the top comment uh i'm not a professional youtube
03:32:32.960
commentator but i'm gonna leave a comment yeah i'm looking here so they're making fun of murray for
03:32:35.840
making that ridiculous fucking statement so if anything um people will say that dave smith won
03:32:41.920
because murray made such a fucking asinine argument in the beginning of the debate yeah for the first 45
03:32:46.640
minutes murray made that argument and he cried about the fact that joe rogan has more pro-palestine rather
03:32:52.160
than anti-israel which is fake again because who are the anti-israel so he mentioned ian carroll
03:32:57.760
and he mentioned um dave smith but if you look at the uh and the what's the guy's name the historian
03:33:03.520
is it marty something i forgot the guy's name now the um the historian guy um so he mentioned
03:33:10.400
marty made uh uh cooper cooper that's it for daryl cooper yeah um and um the uh but in then even
03:33:18.080
joe rogan was like what do you mean i've had god sad i've had jordan peterson i've had you and then
03:33:21.760
he mentioned a couple other people oh god is a bitch like joe rogan pace morgan always have
03:33:27.760
extreme anti-israel people but when it comes from the pro-palestine side they'll always have someone
03:33:33.040
like david smith who kind of almost agrees with the with the israeli position they won't have someone
03:33:38.560
like myself or you who could debunk the propaganda they won't have and this is why i put the tweet in the
03:33:43.520
next but he won't have someone like me who could debunk the false claims they make about islam so
03:33:47.600
they won't have that scenario also they'll have someone who is anti-islam and this was the same
03:33:52.480
with pierce morgan and various others they'll have someone who's anti-islam like uh and someone who
03:33:58.640
will attack islam like douglas marie because he worked at the henry jackson society they'll have
03:34:02.000
someone like pierce morgan they'll have i'm sorry um jordan peterson they'll have someone like god
03:34:06.160
sad but then they won't have someone like nick fuentes who basically talks about jewish power so
03:34:11.440
they'll talk about they'll have someone's anti-islam but not someone like nick they'll talk they'll have
03:34:15.440
they'll attack someone like dan belzarian but then they'll have and scream at him and call him
03:34:19.920
an anti-semi but then they won't have but then the other guys they'll have and he won't call them
03:34:24.080
anti-islam even uh what's his name again uh what's a pierce morgan said he'll have tommy robinson on
03:34:30.160
tommy robinson is like well known to be anti-islam i was going to debate him as you know i was
03:34:34.240
going to do it on your platform and separate to that but then he says i won't have a nick fuentes on
03:34:39.120
because he's a raging anti-semi so this just demonstrates that how these podcasters essentially
03:34:46.400
first of all allow anti-islam but then anyone who may even be a little bit anti-jewish you don't
03:34:50.960
want to have them and the second thing is if there is someone who's pro-palestine it won't be someone
03:34:55.600
who actually has strong opinions that october the 7th was propaganda no mass rape happened etc etc but
03:35:02.640
they won't have and so they'll have someone like dave smith who agrees that hamas are a terrorist
03:35:06.800
organization they're a radical islamist organization that you shouldn't say from the river to the sea
03:35:12.320
that you islam is evil uh the october 7th fake news that like you know you need to combat hamas but
03:35:19.280
like maybe people are gonna be too far but they won't have someone who basically will expose all
03:35:23.840
that propaganda so this is like how they manufacture consent now no i mean that's an interesting point
03:35:29.520
that you know that uh they'll bring like you know extreme right wingers from the israeli side but
03:35:34.400
they won't bring do that on on the uh on the pro-palestine i mean that yeah that's an interesting
03:35:38.640
thing and you know um i think to make it fair yeah you would need to bring somebody in that has an
03:35:43.600
understanding of the islamic faith to a high degree and someone that has uh an understanding of the
03:35:48.960
jewish faith to the highest degree right to to kind of um be able to really fight fire or fire here
03:35:55.280
because i think a lot of people i mean even myself i'll i'll admit this i come more from the camp of i
03:36:00.160
don't like that israel controls our foreign policy um you know we can make obviously a religious um
03:36:05.200
argument on that to a degree of what influences or whatever that's a discussion we had but i i think
03:36:10.000
um from my perspective personally i i typically argue from the this is a uh problem from a nationalism
03:36:17.280
perspective and then i also talk about um the issues with october said that me and you discuss because
03:36:22.240
i do think that if you're going to debate these pro um israel people you have to destroy their
03:36:27.040
arguments with debunking the october 7th um lies because october 7th lies is directly what they use
03:36:34.000
to wage their asymmetrical warfare that they're currently doing now and the problem is that a
03:36:38.480
lot of this stuff got debunked but the problem is that it didn't get debunked in time so you know
03:36:43.200
going back in time here when october 7th happened everyone was on israel's side because no one had the
03:36:48.160
full story so israel since they control the media um because five out of the six biggest news
03:36:54.000
organizations in america are literally run by zionist jews and then the sixth one which is run
03:36:58.160
by the murdochs they're hardcore zionists where uh leylan murdoch whatever his name is the son of
03:37:02.720
rupert murdoch he had a private meeting with um netanyahu in israel so you might as well call him
03:37:07.360
you know an honorary zionist as well um so the the problem is that when october 7th happened
03:37:14.160
israel was first to the media and they were able to put this narrative out that two thousand people
03:37:19.040
got killed there were mass raves there they got killed at the music festival um 200 hostels got
03:37:23.920
kidnapped and that's the narrative that prevailed for weeks and by the time people started debunking
03:37:31.920
it and showing that the 40 beheaded babies thing was a lie babies and ovens was a lie etc once people
03:37:36.960
started showing that these images that ben shapiro was showing were like doctored pictures and they were
03:37:40.880
all a lie it was too late israel was already in gaza they had already began the bombing they had already
03:37:45.680
killed tens of thousands at that point and it was pretty much like okay we're here so they just kind
03:37:50.560
of stuck with the lies and unless you're a guy who consumes alternative media um you're probably not
03:37:57.520
going to find out i mean a lot of americans especially maga supporters i could tell you guys
03:38:01.120
this from someone that went to the rnc and is you know involved in in in the maga movement to a degree
03:38:07.440
a lot of these guys are retards they believe mainstream media um or if they don't believe mainstream
03:38:13.680
media they're following people um like gunther engelman or cat turd or um some of these other
03:38:20.640
dudes that are what i call maga retards that literally anything trump does is good and they
03:38:24.400
never criticize them so um there's not many people that are on the right that are also willing to
03:38:32.720
criticize israel's influence on our country from the perspective of of jewish power very few people
03:38:39.360
are will do that i mean you know candace flirts with it a bit um you know nick definitely does
03:38:44.640
it this is why they're terrified of him because he can name the names um i do it but at the end of the
03:38:49.120
day uh you know it it might be too much for some of these podcasters to platform someone saying that
03:38:56.240
you know the 40 beheaded babies thing was a lie right but that is central to the zionist argument it
03:39:01.360
needs to be stated it is a lie guys like ben shapiro ran around with that narrative for months and they
03:39:06.960
did it on purpose to rationalize and justify uh what they're doing in gaza now and it's crazy to me
03:39:12.800
that it's still a talking point to this day when israelian media themselves have debunked this
03:39:18.720
shit crazy also the mass rape and i think everyone and myron i don't know if you got his number but
03:39:25.840
you should send him that uh the five and a half hour video we did and therefore we'll know if this
03:39:31.440
is intentionally done by him because then that gives them an opportunity to get on these platforms and
03:39:36.080
then he's just basically intentionally who do you who do you want me to send a video to
03:39:39.920
dave smith oh yeah i could i could um i've talked to him before uh yeah i mean i could send it to him
03:39:46.400
uh but i think at this point it's just got to be because at this point one of us got to get up there
03:39:52.080
man i mean i think you would do fantastic because you can speak more from the uh islamic angle you know
03:39:57.920
my position i think i think a safe position to have right because obviously there are a lot of people
03:40:02.640
that don't like the islamic faith and they say what they're going to say i look at it like this
03:40:06.960
if you're going to consider hamas a terrorist organization right then the idf fits in that mold
03:40:13.360
just as well right they just rebranded from urgon and hagana now there's arguments on both there's
03:40:18.000
arguments from the hamas side saying well look they're being violently occupied um it's self-defense
03:40:23.440
it's not terrorism because under international law you have the right to defend your land
03:40:27.600
and you can't constitute that as terrorism so there's i've heard a lot of the the the arguments
03:40:32.720
from the hamas side but i think the the safe way right again i'm talking from there's uh strictly a
03:40:38.240
debate strategy perspective to get platformed on these big platforms so you can reach a mass audience
03:40:43.280
this isn't like uh what it is i think the safe way to go because i've seen um who is it mohammed hijab
03:40:50.880
take this stance which i thought was really smart that he did this i saw him debate i think it was
03:40:54.080
rabbi shmuley or somebody and he said look if you're going to go ahead and call hamas a terrorist
03:40:59.360
organization you need to call the idea of a terrorist organization as well which because
03:41:03.280
it's technically true if you look at the definition of terrorism as it applies to united states right the
03:41:08.320
use of violence to further a political ideology right um i think that's what it is but again you
03:41:14.400
can make the argument um from the other side as well so but i think when it comes to the mass media
03:41:18.800
in america and these big podcasts they're terrified of bringing somebody on um that will make the
03:41:23.680
argument that hamas isn't a terrorist organization i think that's what they're scared of
03:41:27.920
it's not that hamas isn't a terrorist organization it's that um so either you make the argument that
03:41:34.080
as you said the idf is worse or you reject the notion of terrorism because this entire word was
03:41:41.440
created by the zionist lobby to be applied to countries that are basically enemies of israel
03:41:47.760
and or for individuals who partake in an act that are solely muslim so you can have the exact same act
03:41:54.880
done by two different individuals and if it's a muslim it's called a terrorist attack and if it's
03:41:58.560
not a muslim it's not called a terrorist attack the second thing is why i think like having some
03:42:02.880
knowledge of islam is important is because if you look at his debate with laura loomer both were
03:42:08.400
conceding that islam was extreme and islam was causing this and sharia law and they want to throw
03:42:13.440
gaze off buildings and these type of things why it's important to debunk that is because the aim
03:42:18.080
is this if you look on the west they basically perpetuate and promote the islamophobia phobia
03:42:22.960
industry through various ngos and zionist lobbies including the organization that douglas murray worked
03:42:29.840
for which is the henry jackson society and the reason they do that is because they want to manufacture
03:42:34.720
consent because if they think these people are barbaric that these people are unruly these people are
03:42:41.600
extreme and they want to harm you then it manufactures consent to basically destroy
03:42:46.880
the middle east so it includes bombing palestine destroying palestine so if you look at the stated
03:42:51.840
ideological goals it was always to create hatred against muslims in america and uk and europe
03:42:57.520
and then use that fake news to bomb the middle east so that's why i always think like both of those
03:43:01.840
things are important to tackle no i i definitely i definitely see your uh perspective on that now i'm
03:43:08.960
interested i'm going to probably um go watch this debate and see what happened uh because you
03:43:13.840
obviously there's um it seems as though there were some blind spots but i think patrick reeds wanted
03:43:18.480
to say something yeah yeah you guys got a good point my when i watched it so my my perspective was that it
03:43:28.160
was more from from a white guy uh from america it was more i didn't see this attack on islam so much
03:43:34.880
as like protection of jewish supremacy and then also yeah it was i thought it was completely fabricated
03:43:40.720
you have douglas murray bringing up these points about oh it's okay to have uh yeah this debate it
03:43:48.160
wasn't an attack on islam the only thing was it was when he said about muslim immigration into europe
03:43:52.640
which was fake news i'm talking about i'm bringing in his laura looma debate as well which i read the
03:43:57.520
comments from but what about what about the point where he made like it's okay for israel to kill
03:44:03.760
civilians because there's evil militants but then on october 7th how many idf members died i think
03:44:10.640
it's like 380 how many people died total 1200 like if you look at the amount of hamas that were killed
03:44:16.240
like in he's right you know palestine compared to civilians it's gonna out ratio that the only good
03:44:22.400
point murray did make i would argue was that the united states which is controlled by israel and jewish
03:44:27.520
supremacy killed way more people in syria way more civilians in syria way more in afghanistan
03:44:32.800
and yeah i'm not downplaying like the the plight of the palestinians by any mean but this has been
03:44:37.600
going on for 20 years and a lot of the it's all been supporting one place but this is this whole fake
03:44:44.480
debate was staged and it was uh if i was a normie like my take would be that like you can't criticize
03:44:52.240
judaism or israel because there's just too much anti-semitism the palestinians are are terrorists
03:44:59.200
and uh qatar controls america not you know israel like i don't know how any of that was able to slide
03:45:09.760
from from our perspectives and then at the same time like douglas murray was kind of more funny
03:45:14.000
than dave smith dave smith's not even a comic you know he sucks at everything i i don't know i'm
03:45:19.120
more pissed at joe rogan because like you i i blame him for this current administration like
03:45:24.640
vance trump all these fucking scumbags tulsi gabbard like all these people like his whole movement musk
03:45:31.760
like it's all it's so tiring you know what i mean like i i don't know yeah well i mean what do you
03:45:38.000
guys think yeah yeah cool uh i'll say this real quick with the 2000 number yeah so the original report
03:45:44.960
and so am i correct me if i'm wrong here because i know you probably got the numbers in front of you
03:45:48.080
the original the report on october 7th came out 2 000 people dead then it went down to 1200 then
03:45:55.040
roughly 400 um of the people that were died were identified as idf soldiers right so obviously loss
03:46:01.840
of life sucks but enemy combatants are enemy combatants right so that brings us down to 800 then
03:46:07.040
we find out that the people that were killed from the music festival that were in the cars and they were
03:46:11.360
all charged and stuff like that they were killed by the idf with the apache helicopters how do we know
03:46:15.520
this well because we know that hamas uses you know unsophisticated old like damn near world war ii
03:46:21.280
weaponry they don't have the capability and the sophistication to be able to destroy vehicles like
03:46:25.200
that um and then uh we find out that the tanks were shooting into the kibbutzes right and then there
03:46:31.680
was speculation that the uh hannibal directive was activated on that day now um you know if you had said
03:46:38.000
that right um as of a couple of months ago people call you conspiracy theorists but literally i think
03:46:44.480
like what maybe one month ago you have gone went on a israeli television and admitted that the um
03:46:50.320
hannibal directive was in fact activated on october 7th so you know we went from 2000 to 1200 to 800
03:46:59.280
then we find out that uh that the hannibal directive was activated on that day so and then we and then on
03:47:04.960
on top of that 200 were kidnapped so that leaves those with 600 people that were killed um on that
03:47:10.960
day uh specifically and we don't know how those individuals are killed i am not denying that hamas
03:47:16.960
killed israeli citizens on that day however i do think it's important to note that the idf also killed
03:47:23.440
israeli citizens on that day and that's the part where um it's very important to unpack this because
03:47:29.600
again israel got to the media first since israel got to the media first they were able to
03:47:34.720
push that narrative out that um hamas was indiscriminately killing and graping and pillaging
03:47:39.840
and all this other stuff and it wasn't until what several months later damn near a year till we were
03:47:46.560
able to actually have the evidence to debunk this stuff i mean yoab galant literally came out a month
03:47:51.360
ago saying that hannibal directive was activated so we don't even still have the full story and i think
03:47:56.080
if i'm not mistaken isn't the u.n conducting an investigation right now on the mass rapes they
03:48:00.560
haven't concluded that or israel's not letting him in if somebody can clarify that part with that
03:48:04.560
with the with the u.n report and and this was in fresh and fit as well so anybody who wants to see
03:48:09.120
the details of this we actually broke it down in fresh and fit the specifics what the u.n report is
03:48:14.400
this so the u.n report did an u.n did an investigation now the report we agree with right in the sense of
03:48:22.640
if you look at the investigation the information they gathered we're using that where we disagree is
03:48:28.560
the conclusion because they she's using the same information but then saying yes there was rape
03:48:33.440
but what is that information that she's herself gathered the first thing is they say there's no
03:48:39.040
video evidence or no imagery whatsoever that proved mass rape so according to them hamas had gopros but
03:48:45.840
somehow they malfunctioned and no longer worked as soon as the rape happened right which is completely
03:48:51.280
ridiculous so there's no video or physical evidence whatsoever and israel never provided it
03:48:56.000
the second thing is that they always advertise that 40 minute video that shows some of the killings
03:49:02.080
and though that video that they show which at first was like only an exclusive to israeli citizens
03:49:06.400
no one else can look at it um it got leaked but yes this 45 minute video or whatever has none of the
03:49:12.080
grapes in it either which is also you know an important point to note exactly and that 40 minute video
03:49:19.040
as you said we've all seen it and even the 40 minute video it only shows three possible incidences
03:49:24.880
where there was intentional killing by hamas uh but again we don't know the circumstances before and
03:49:30.800
after so therefore i'm just talking about this snapshot but coming back to it so then there's no
03:49:35.520
physical or video evidence then she they asked to see the speak to the witnesses israel said no you're
03:49:40.240
not allowed to speak to the witnesses so they never spoke to any of the witnesses then they looked at
03:49:44.320
the report and there was no physical evidence of rape whether it's semen or you know physically be
03:49:50.400
you know you've the basically genital area being harmed or whatever it may be so there was zero
03:49:54.480
physical evidence of rape then they looked at the bodies and said actually even the bodies had not
03:49:59.920
been like when they were shot they weren't even shot or harmed in the uh private parts when they were
03:50:05.840
shot they were shot throughout the body as per normal so nothing was directed in terms of harm
03:50:10.800
whether from bullets or from physicality to the genitals of the woman or the breasts of the woman
03:50:16.480
so there's no evidence from that regard there's so the only evidence there's no evidence in terms
03:50:21.440
of what they were wearing so the only evidence that they claim which was the result that they're saying
03:50:26.400
is that the way the bodies were placed but even in the same report they claim they admit that israel
03:50:31.600
moved the bodies so the position of the bodies is the sole reason that they claim that the rape happened
03:50:36.080
that's it yeah and and and that my friend is the part that they don't want to platform
03:50:40.400
that's why uh i i don't think i've seen any major podcast actually talk about the mass grapes so
03:50:48.560
basically for those that are just listening israel is using the position of the of the deceased to
03:50:54.640
justify and say that there were mass grapes but they don't actually have any physical evidence
03:50:58.000
besides how the bodies were left is that what is that what it is basically suleiman exactly exactly
03:51:03.840
no semen no uh do they even have penetration nothing nothing nothing
03:51:09.360
do you mind if i sit here and they don't have the gopro um footage that they claim that they had
03:51:13.760
either nothing nothing proves rape yeah yeah i think that's the stuff that rogan and them don't want
03:51:20.480
to have i'm going to be honest like um challenge on the october 7th narrative is um the cornerstone of
03:51:28.080
the israeli argument and i think anyone that can actually you know fully debunk it from the you know
03:51:33.440
the grapes the um the hannibal directive alone i mean i'm shocked that dave smith did not put out
03:51:39.680
the hannibal directive like you have galant literally admitted it was activated on that day
03:51:43.600
like just off of that alone he could have you know eliminated a big part of murray's argument when
03:51:49.040
they're talking about hamas killing innocent people because we know for a fact that israel killed a
03:51:53.440
bunch of innocent people that day so yeah man that's that's wild that that's disappointing that
03:51:59.040
he didn't even talk about i mean at least use a hannibal directive bro what the fuck man
03:52:03.360
but anyway i'm gonna go watch it or even even the fact and again i'm not trying to just promote it
03:52:08.400
because you're here but if you look at our five and a half hour podcast everything yeah i'm gonna get
03:52:12.320
the link for it right now the evidence the physical evidence is in that uh actual uh come here the
03:52:18.160
podcast because we put it on a powerpoint and showed all the references so all the references that
03:52:22.000
we're speaking about can be found in that podcast what's worse is myron remember in our podcast we
03:52:27.040
showed that on october the 10th that hamas said we'll give you all of the hostages again this was
03:52:33.680
not something that was pushed back about dave smith they were like yeah hostages are there yeah it
03:52:38.320
happened yeah yeah they shouldn't have took the hostages like there's again an agreement on that
03:52:41.920
issue dude i dude you're the only person i think me and you're the only people that have like publicly
03:52:46.800
reported that that story and and it's backed up by haratz an israeli media source you know it's literally
03:52:53.440
it's backed up by israeli media that there was a deal in place for the return of the hostages
03:52:58.000
on october 10th and it's amazing how like that's not hit the mainstream whatsoever
03:53:05.120
yeah i think one person told me i think one person told me oh uh haratz is a left-wing
03:53:10.720
propaganda machine for is if um that's anti-israel i'm like what they're an israeli newspaper what
03:53:16.240
the fuck are you talking about like i don't know um yeah haratz is left-wing but it's still zionist
03:53:23.360
it's still zionist from the left or the right are basically the same thing yeah hold on i got
03:53:28.160
the link right here so i'm on i'll um i'll dm it to you so you can put it up in the nest because i
03:53:32.080
suck at putting things up in the nest um but i'll give it to you here i found it it's it's only on
03:53:36.400
rumble guys it's not on youtube we couldn't even fucking do this this thing on rumble on uh on
03:53:40.560
youtube because of obviously you know the sensitive nature of the topic and how people you know try to
03:53:46.480
censor so i'm gonna go ahead i'll send you a quick dm with it here uh so you can put in the thing but
03:53:51.840
i'll dip out man uh i'll uh i'll come back in the space if you guys are going to be running it um
03:53:57.680
i appreciate that myron yeah we're probably gonna wrap up soon anyway so we'll send everyone to your
03:54:01.600
space okay they can watch the physical example of what i've been talking what we've been talking
03:54:06.240
about for the last few hours yeah yeah no um yeah i'm live right now on rumble and on youtube on
03:54:10.080
myron gains x um yeah i'm gonna dm you this right now all right take it easy can i make a quick
03:54:16.240
point to your audience before you go let's 30 seconds so i'm on may i uh yeah who is that true
03:54:22.240
teller oh yeah what's up yeah yeah it's very very quick yeah i just want to make the point about dave
03:54:26.480
smith is that there is a famous judea bullshvick who once said that they love controlled opposition
03:54:32.240
especially the ones that they lead and then when the world needs a hero they shall provide one and
03:54:35.920
that's what dave smith is supposed to be a controlled opposition narrative producer to be able to instill
03:54:41.760
the talking points that they want people to believe he's never going to properly represent the pro-palestinian
03:54:46.080
side or do anything then to undermine the jewish position and to again deflect and say blame qatar
03:54:52.640
or say islamic terrorism or china but of course deflect blame on you know the jews and their
03:54:57.840
influence on americans every facet of american society every institution i've been from finance
03:55:02.400
to of course the media and the politicians i have a lot more to say i'll wait my turn thank you
03:55:07.760
no no it's always it's always great to uh to hear from you bro um you know uh but no i will i'm
03:55:13.360
definitely gonna take a look at this debate man uh you guys definitely got me intrigued so i'm gonna
03:55:17.200
take a look at it and uh react to it but all right i'll uh i'll get out of here man and i see simon
03:55:21.760
had his hand up for a minute simon shout out to you by the way as well bro uh all right yeah i'll get
03:55:26.560
out of here peace out guys i really think there's a the other okay um so um okay so i gave that that's
03:55:34.880
the link by the way guys um for it so definitely here let me drop it in here for you guys if you
03:55:40.480
guys want to watch this video on what really went down on october 7th it's right here but okay let me
03:55:47.760
read some chats and we're gonna get into this debate um i will cover the matt walsh stuff and everything
03:55:53.360
else like that after this if we still have time it's already nine o'clock okay um bobby's gems yeah i got
03:55:59.760
my comments on twitter shadow banned uh after applying to nick points as a post interesting
03:56:06.800
uh you might want to maybe you got to verify your account uh kg for omar it was great to see you at
03:56:11.360
uh penn state you definitely need to do a sandusky breakdown i've lived here my whole life and know
03:56:15.200
people who work for the university at the time so i can give some insight if needed wccwss shout out
03:56:19.440
to you kg for real um we could do sandusky one day um hm switch don't worry about ryan dawson i
03:56:26.400
talked to him on the side bro misunderstanding don't you know try to start up some some stuff
03:56:31.040
i talked to him on the side it's it's not um it's it's squashed um ice says anton daniels has a
03:56:38.000
panelist on his nighttime show that knows about them boys and calls them small hats he tries to wake them
03:56:42.080
up but always stops and says do your research maybe you can explain it to him in more concise
03:56:47.120
ways since you guys are cool i mean sure but i don't think anton daniels is gonna be uh i mean i could
03:56:54.880
it bro but like you guys got to understand that this is a topic that people are terrified of bro
03:56:58.640
like i i don't think y'all get it bro like this is a topic that people really don't want to talk about
03:57:05.840
man for obvious reasons right um now we can kind of have the discussion but it's got to be heavily
03:57:12.960
moderated um okay let's go to hbm says we know as muslims and israel is going down one day are the
03:57:18.800
israelis actually demonic i man the people that are responsible for killing the kids are yes not all
03:57:24.000
israelis but the ones that are killing uh the kids well not all jews but the ones that are killing
03:57:29.040
the kids not bro sorry excuse me the ones that are killing the kids are responsible for killing
03:57:34.480
the kids are satanic whether jewish christian etc don't forget guys most zionists are actually
03:57:40.960
christian they're not jewish you know this is a very big um misconception that um all jewish people are
03:57:49.280
zionists that's not true right a majority are i will tell you that a majority absolutely are
03:57:54.560
zionists but that's not all also um when it comes to uh what was i gonna say the majority of the
03:58:04.240
zionist population it's actually christians bro evangelical christians make them make up the majority
03:58:10.480
uh let's see here joe says mind if trump has the sanctuary city law why would california capitulate
03:58:17.520
they pay more in taxes than they get i don't know bro
03:58:31.840
all right we're caught up let's go ahead and go into this joe rogan interview
03:58:40.480
i'll be honest with you guys i don't even know who this douglas murray guy is bro let me look this
03:59:25.360
no he's not jewish guys see i told y'all bro a lot of these zionists are not jewish
03:59:30.000
a lot of them are christian oh i don't know what this guy's religious affiliation is but um
03:59:52.720
uh okay he's a cultural christian and a christian atheist what
04:00:07.120
fuck okay this is the guy that's debating dave smith awesome
04:00:11.040
what the fuck well this is every time i see people that disagree with anything that's happening
04:00:18.000
any gigantic world event they should have ben shapiro here not this fucking guy
04:00:21.840
that's it's one of these be honest which be honest with you shows where they're screaming
04:00:26.080
there's the word again they brought it we're just talking about that the word
04:00:29.280
retarded is back and it's one of the great culture victories that i think is spurred on probably by
04:00:34.880
podcasts but um i will agree that the word being back is awesome i will agree i just want the one
04:00:41.840
that rhymes with maggots to also be back these things are always like pierce morgany which is fine
04:00:46.720
you know where everyone's screaming over each other and you know there's five different people
04:00:49.680
talking over each other there's never just rational conversations where you discuss things this is
04:00:55.120
true and um that's one thing about pearson morgan that sucks like bro you can't have six niggas on
04:01:00.160
a panel and have it this it's not gonna work i respect both of you i think both of you are brilliant
04:01:04.960
and i thought i bet you agree on a lot of things i bet you disagree on a lot of things it'd be
04:01:08.800
fascinating to see your perspectives on these things so that's why you're here together okay
04:01:15.120
can i ask you something yes sir since the war in israel began and since the war in ukraine
04:01:19.360
began you've had quite a lot of people who are very against both in different ways yes do you
04:01:24.560
think you've had enough people on who are supportive by the war i don't know that word enough if that's
04:01:30.560
a good word um let's say um let's say enough people who are on the side of israel instead of wild
04:01:35.760
critics well i've had a few i mean i believe god's out is is on the side of israel uh god's side is a
04:01:41.360
retard um speaking of retards real quick speedy says guys should not worry about being at their peak in
04:01:46.640
their 20s assuming they put the work in their legacy will stand as strong as the pyramids of
04:01:50.080
gaza while these girls making quick money uh being a three or four legacy absolutely speedy dean for
04:01:54.400
truth says israel had multiple bombings of palestinians larger number before october 7
04:01:57.920
israel's crying is not acceptable yeah they've been killing them for a minute they literally have a
04:02:01.760
term called cutting the grass where they periodically bomb the out of gaza never hits mainstream news
04:02:06.240
catch says i just got here who we talk a shit about kidding just sending some love shout out to you
04:02:09.600
catch um michaka boss what's up myron i have your favorite book i got the thomas dalton edition shout out to you
04:02:14.720
sir o slash to you um and uh cool i think we're caught up on everything awesome okay let's keep
04:02:24.960
going um for sure i'm gonna adjust the title of this stream too chat while uh while uh while we build up
04:02:29.520
to this jordan is on the side of israel you had uh mike baker coleman hughes yeah coleman did it for like
04:02:34.240
20 minutes it wasn't why he was here no i mean none of them and none of them is why they're here
04:02:39.440
you know it's a good question do you think you've tilted one way um me personally no no no just with
04:02:45.680
the guests the guests yeah probably more tilted towards the idea that perhaps the way they've done
04:02:52.160
it is barbaric but why do you think that is just out of interest i'm just interested in your selection
04:02:56.800
of guests because you're like the world's number one podcast yeah it's not i don't i don't think about
04:03:02.400
it that way i just think i'd like to talk to this person but can i just yeah sure sure if you're
04:03:09.040
going to interview historians of the conflict or historians in general why would you get somebody
04:03:14.000
like ian carroll or yeah but ian carroll i didn't bring him on for that purpose i brought him on because
04:03:18.080
i want to find out like how does one get involved in the whole conspiracy theory business because his
04:03:21.680
whole thing is just conspiracies you know but do you have any uh i mean there's been a tool and you know
04:03:28.560
it's interesting i don't know if you guys caught on here but that ian carroll interview literally
04:03:38.400
was maybe 80 of them talking about other stuff but what's everyone interested in the last 20 minutes
04:03:47.040
where they talked about israel and that is what everybody was actually and really tuned in for
04:03:53.280
okay make no mistake about it ian carroll is a talented creator i like him a lot and i hate the fact
04:03:58.480
that people are hating on him but when he ratioed elon musk on this israel topic he blew up went over
04:04:05.120
to a million plus subscribers uh followers on twitter um his youtube channel is growing he got
04:04:10.480
it he just did an interview with candace owens so the israel topic blew him up and i'm happy for
04:04:15.520
him because i think he's one of the most centered guys that can kind of get that message out there
04:04:19.280
but rogan intelligently and strategically only limited that part of the conversation to about 20
04:04:27.840
minutes of it okay for obvious reasons so um but look at murray murray over here what does he remember
04:04:36.320
from the debate he remembers israel talk he's discounting the other 80 of the the discussion
04:04:43.440
where they talked about other stuff so that should tell you guys where the public sentiment comes in
04:04:48.880
when it comes to stuff people want to get the truth when it comes to israel man so um i find it
04:04:57.120
interesting that he's trying to sit here and shame him for platforming ian carroll because a bunch of
04:05:00.240
other people tried that with rogan as well which i always thought was kind of funny um but yeah let's
04:05:06.400
see what he's got to say put in the conversation both conversations in the last couple of years
04:05:11.440
and it's largely to do with people who have appointed themselves experts who are not experts
04:05:18.560
here we go now we're going to get into the authority um uh fallacy which actually ended
04:05:23.360
up shooting himself in the foot we're still going to go ahead and analyze other stuff guys don't worry
04:05:28.320
we'll do a full breakdown on this thing uh but yeah this is uh this is interesting that he's using
04:05:34.560
ian carroll as the segue to make his um appeal to authority fallacy arguments i don't think he
04:05:41.600
appoints himself an expert in anything who's that other dude well we're about to cook this one man
04:05:47.840
guys get your popcorn i'm gonna take a piss real quick and get some water because i could
04:05:51.920
already tell we're gonna we're gonna be breaking this shit down uh for probably the rest of the
04:05:56.400
night so let me um get your popcorn niggas buckle in this is gonna be a good one this is gonna be a
04:06:03.360
good one give me one sec chat who thinks he's an expert on churchill oh daryl cooper does not think
04:06:12.640
he's an expert in fact i think it's everybody else is always calling him an expert and he's like i'm
04:06:16.320
just a history have you ever absorbed any of his material you ever consumed any of his podcasts or
04:06:20.400
anything like that i tried yeah it's pretty hard to listen to somebody who says i don't know what i'm
04:06:26.320
talking about but now i'm going to talk or i don't know about this or i'm not capable of debating this
04:06:30.800
historian but i'm going to just tell you what i think yeah but that's not exactly that's not
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exactly what daryl was saying i mean daryl's point of view however you feel about this daryl what
04:06:38.400
daryl's saying is he doesn't really like doing debates he likes to do long format stuff where he
04:06:42.560
can really explain his position if you throw a lot of out there there's some point at which i'm just
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raising questions is not a valid thing you're not raising questions you're not asking questions
04:06:52.160
you're telling people something do you think daryl's doing that i think there's a whole bunch of guys
04:06:55.840
doing that i think dave is doing that very obviously dave's a comedian but he's now mainly
04:07:03.280
talking about israel no i don't know if i'm mainly talking about israel that's all i see yeah but
04:07:07.680
that might be what you've seen so that is also your stick now isn't it well what do you mean by that's
04:07:13.280
my stick well you're not a geopolitics guy in general are you i don't even know exactly what
04:07:18.000
you're asking i'm saying you've decided being a comedian you've decided now to become somebody who
04:07:23.120
talks about israel i think you're incorrect i don't think it's a decision i just think you
04:07:27.280
have long-form conversations multiple of them it's a huge event that's in the news so it comes up i
04:07:31.520
don't i know the thing i think if you're on the outside you'd say oh look they're trying to get
04:07:35.360
attention by talking about this very polarizing issue publicly that they do you do get attention
04:07:39.280
from that if you'd spent the last year speaking about myanmar you would not be on my lips yeah but he
04:07:44.640
does talk about yemen constantly he talks about a lot of things that aren't in the news well i tend to
04:07:49.040
talk about the conflicts that my government is directly involved in which i think is reasonable
04:07:53.360
to me but i don't quite get like what's all the appeal to authority stuff i mean what you have to
04:07:57.280
be an expert i think authority matters i think that if you just throw a lot of out there
04:08:01.600
and then say i'm not interested in the alternative views on this and particularly when it's accounting
04:08:10.000
oh sorry guys i guess i was playing it the whole time i don't think i missed anything chat so i'll just
04:08:15.120
keep playing it i don't think i missed anything narrative that is wildly off and when you get
04:08:20.000
people look i just feel we should get it out straight away i feel you've opened the door to
04:08:24.560
quite a lot of people you've now got a big platform who have been throwing out counter-historical stuff
04:08:29.360
of a very dangerous kind you mean daryl are you talking about daryl who's the other one i don't think
04:08:33.840
daryl has uh derek uh what's the other guy derek uh what's his name cooper wow of course instead of
04:08:41.680
debating the thing he's uh i literally i only spent 10 seconds listening to this and he's already
04:08:47.520
um trying to come at rogan for platforming people you know who else did this
04:08:52.000
ass nigga since we're on this topic this guy right here i'm not in this loser
04:08:58.720
um this guy sam harris all right guys so uh sam harris went viral on social media here because
04:09:11.920
he had some commentary on the current state of politics but more i watch this guy as well uh
04:09:16.000
kyle kalinsky he's uh he's a liberal but again i always watch um the opposition's arguments i think
04:09:24.080
that's how you stay sharp and know what's going on being in an echo chamber is retarded so um i'll
04:09:29.280
listen to guys that have a different voice all the time because i think it makes you sharper smarter
04:09:34.000
you're able to counter their arguments if you watch what they say and um just makes you more
04:09:38.320
intelligent sometimes they make good points so that's why i watch opposition stuff all the time
04:09:42.240
importantly the current state of the podcast world and i agree with him on the sam harris take that he's
04:09:46.800
going to give the new media world the the rogan sphere if you will and he used to be you know
04:09:51.280
he used to be a regular sort of member of the rogan sphere he would be on he's been on the podcast
04:09:54.800
probably double digit times right kind of similar to me i wasn't on as much as him but i was on maybe
04:09:59.600
five times or so on rogan um and man he has some thoughts here so let's listen and we'll break it down
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as we go joe is a genuinely good guy who wants good things for people um but he is honestly in over his
04:10:11.680
head on so many topics and if you are wondering
04:10:21.280
i mean are we even surprised at this point but anyway yeah it's a great consequence right when
04:10:32.480
he brings someone on to just shoot the shit about you know how the holocaust is not what you think it
04:10:36.640
was right or he literally did that by the way just so everybody knows this is not hyperbolic because you
04:10:40.880
could hear sam harris say this and think like oh they're complaining about daryl cooper all right
04:10:44.000
whatever bro um that's a whole lot of discussion oligarchs routinely lie to his face do it this i
04:10:52.160
disagree with sat there and let them lie they kept saying to his face oh the cfpb debanks conservatives
04:10:58.560
who lie as freely as they breathe and doesn't push back against any of their lives in fact in
04:11:03.280
trump's case really really energetically helped put his lives into into the most plausible possible
04:11:08.080
shape that is 100 correct that's what we talked about go watch my segment as you can see he doesn't
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like trump i don't agree with this either he doesn't like trump got back in office he invited
04:11:16.480
like rogan sat there took him a good faith all the online about like and now he's basically
04:11:20.480
complaining that um trump didn't push back more on trump now he owns everything he owns all of
04:11:25.200
people you're consistently on the wrong side and this is a a consistent crying point of the left
04:11:30.560
that rogan didn't push um trump harder during the uh debate like so okay let me just okay we're
04:11:40.000
really getting in the weeds here but fuck it you guys like this deep dive shit anyway so one of the
04:11:44.320
main talking points of big left-wing political commentators like kyle kalinsky uh um uh hasan
04:11:53.040
piker uh tyler cohen etc young turks or whatever is that trump uh that trump went on the rogan podcast
04:12:00.560
which is the biggest podcast in the world and lied and rogan did a pushback this is one of the biggest
04:12:05.920
complaints from the left they blame elon musk they blame joe rogan and obviously you know that they
04:12:10.960
don't like trump and the reason why this is retarded a retarded stance is because rogan offered it's like
04:12:19.920
everyone forgets this shit rogan literally offered kamala harris to come on the show and what kamala
04:12:26.000
harris's team basically said was he's got to travel to her it can only be like an hour and i think
04:12:35.680
they needed the questions beforehand but basically the bottom line is this i mean the details aren't
04:12:40.560
as important the point is this the interview was going to be structured and tailored in a position
04:12:45.920
that her campaign approved of okay versus with trump he showed up he just had a conversation was it
04:12:54.080
seemed way more candid okay so that made kamala harris look really fucking bad and it amazes me
04:13:01.680
how the democrats never admit this the only democrat i've seen admit this is a guy named
04:13:08.560
david pakman okay he admitted that it was a big l on the kamala harris administration
04:13:16.480
to not do public interviews early in the campaign for those that remember because everyone has
04:13:22.160
fucking amnesia let me remind you niggas after joe biden dropped out of the race okay kamala harris
04:13:33.840
went on a deliberate avoidance tour of the press she would only read from teleprompters she wouldn't
04:13:42.880
ask off the top of cuff questions she wouldn't hold press meetings to answer questions she literally did
04:13:48.880
this for months okay and the reason why they did this was because kamala harris to be honest with you
04:13:55.600
guys is not the best speaker she's not necessarily competent she has a lot of annoying um personality
04:14:01.840
traits that probably would not be favorable to american voters so they did their best to control
04:14:07.440
her image in the early stages of the campaign now to combat this donald trump went on a bunch of
04:14:14.240
different streams okay and he did unscripted interviews where honestly everything was on the
04:14:21.200
table you can ask whatever okay now he might lie about it as some people like kyle kalinsky are saying
04:14:27.360
right now but he at least afforded people the opportunity to talk to him in um in a fairly candid and
04:14:36.160
open manner or even if it's not at least the optics look that way key distinction meanwhile kamala
04:14:43.280
harris was avoiding all interviews like the fucking plague that was a big mistake by the
04:14:47.920
democrats okay so when kamala harris finally figured out that this probably isn't a good strategy
04:14:53.360
because celebrity endorsements don't matter okay she found out way too fucking late so what did she
04:15:00.240
do she went on the um call her daddy podcast terrible fucking decision you went on a podcast of two
04:15:09.760
whores that don't have any type of political respect or notoriety the people that listen to the call
04:15:16.560
our daddy podcast are retarded morons that probably don't vote okay like what you should be doing is
04:15:23.440
going on adversarial podcasts or going on adversarial platforms and having discussions this is what
04:15:28.880
donald trump and jd vance were doing though they got a lot of hard questions they might have uh looked uh
04:15:36.560
bad in some situations or whatever um jd vance i think actually did a really good job by the way of
04:15:41.280
dealing with adversarial media that's a whole other conversation though um nothing is perfect
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that looked a lot better than what kamala harris was doing where she was avoiding press altogether
04:15:52.160
and when she finally did get on the train and decide to do a podcast she did um really badly edited
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and stupid interviews that made her look stupid and like with call her daddy podcast then on top of
04:16:04.560
that she did one adversarial interview on fox news and it was basically edited and made her look
04:16:11.920
really stupid and she waited way too long to do it okay so why do i say all this i say all this because
04:16:20.000
the democrats always blame rogan right for trump's victory rogan was definitely a part of it i'm not
04:16:29.920
gonna lie he has the number one podcast and everyone listens in and that interview was one of the most
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viewed interviews i think to this day on the rogan experience let me go ahead and see here
04:16:43.520
feel you've opened the door to yeah this dude's a fucking loser i'm gonna get the number here
04:16:48.240
57 million chat right here 57 million crazy five months ago okay so look
04:17:03.920
rogan made the same offer to kamala it's not rogan's fault that kamala harris didn't want to come and get
04:17:09.360
the interview under her terms 45 minutes an hour that's not how this works okay unfortunately in this
04:17:15.440
situation you're the one campaigning you're the one trying to get the vote you go to joe rogan he
04:17:21.280
doesn't come to you okay he has the platform you don't and kamala harris made the big mistake of relying
04:17:28.880
upon a-list celebrity endorsements of people like taylor swift eminem lebron james etc establishment type
04:17:39.200
celebrities well guess what no one cares about a-list celebrities and establishment celebrities anymore
04:17:44.560
the new wave is influencers and podcasts i'm sorry it is what it is streamers are taking over
04:17:51.920
influencers are taking over because people find far more in common and are able to better identify
04:17:58.960
with people that they watch in long-form content so she did have the opportunity to go on rogan but she
04:18:05.280
declined because she didn't uh she didn't want it to be um under the normal terms which made her look bad
04:18:11.840
yet again okay so the left and the liberals need to stop fucking blaming joe rogan for kamala harris's
04:18:20.480
loss and trump's win okay she saw herself in the foot and the only person i've seen that's been honest
04:18:26.800
about this is again uh dave pacman he admitted that she made a bunch of blunders during her campaign
04:18:33.840
where she did not talk to the media until way too fucking late in the campaign meanwhile trump had already
04:18:39.680
had a huge head start on her when it comes to alternative media which is the new media give
04:18:44.480
me one's in the chat if you guys agree give me two's in the chat if you guys disagree but i genuinely
04:18:51.360
think that um this is not rogan's fault because every big liberal commentator i've seen has put a
04:18:59.040
significant amount of blame on rogan for her loss which is fucking ridiculous and i don't think
04:19:06.480
anyone's ever broken it down like that at least that i've seen
04:19:14.880
sucking off jd vance sucking off donald trump give me a break it is irresponsible i mean it is
04:19:18.640
directly harmful and we all like to beat on fucking woke college campus kids who don't like
04:19:22.880
eyeball because he literally took like over 100 million dollars from spotify like he is corporate
04:19:26.000
media regardless of how he virtue signals like i'm independent media i'm new media no you're not
04:19:30.000
no you're just not right but in terms of what does he think i think in his own mind he thinks i'm just
04:19:34.960
honestly navigating through all these issues in real time but he's just he went down a lot of
04:19:38.720
fucking again rogan has invited people on the left and they just simply don't want to go on and i
04:19:45.280
it's amazing that that uh kolinsky doesn't want to admit this like people from the left don't want
04:19:52.000
to debate dude most of them don't want to horrible rabbit holes and ended up with preposterously
04:19:56.080
stupid positions um but it's it is also avoidable right he that's the problem joe would never do
04:20:01.440
what you're talking about here and if he were to do what you're talking about here i think his
04:20:04.000
podcast would become even less popular so it's just a matter of talking about doing a fact putting
04:20:08.080
a fact checker there a full-time fact checker god they dethroned him
04:20:11.840
uh yeah i'll you know yeah i'll do a chipotle i'll get a chicken burrito you guys say what's up to
04:20:20.320
the people hi hi people what's up yeah you're gonna take him for a walk and stuff yeah all right
04:20:27.600
cool i appreciate that he's been good he's been just chilling uh only one time okay only one time
04:20:36.880
yeah uh yeah chicken burrito double chicken white rice black beans i'll probably be going for a
04:20:42.800
while not gonna lie why do you want to take frank um i have a route tomorrow no just yeah then just
04:20:50.000
yeah i can take him and then leave him no just leave him here do your do your route tomorrow is fine
04:20:54.720
i don't mind having him i just thought maybe you wanted to see him but just yeah just walk him
04:20:57.600
hang out with him for a bit and then leave him i'll take care of him that's no problem thank you
04:21:03.440
all right and thank god the left and liberals are ascended there was just
04:21:12.560
oh yeah yeah yeah yeah she's good um yeah she's good leave her you guys want to say what's up to leah
04:21:22.800
you guys know leah right you guys have met her before welcome to the show leah she's a micro
04:21:28.720
poodle no it's not michael poodle she's a she's a toy a miniature poodle yeah so this is her
04:21:36.400
she uh she's a pretty good dancer i'm gonna take her to the vet tomorrow yeah i mean pretty good
04:21:41.920
dancer she should be going she should be going crazy she knows how to do the old slash as well
04:21:46.800
so i'll tell you about it wait we just like hey
04:21:50.800
i'm here to party i'm part of debrief let's go we lit now so you love to do that yeah yeah
04:22:00.240
she literally says white power i'm not kidding around so yeah this is uh this is leah hey guys
04:22:06.640
she's older too she has a lot of energy she's what 11 years old yeah i'll take her to the vet tomorrow
04:22:11.280
because she's limping oh she's limping one of her paws is like weird she maybe stepped on glass
04:22:16.400
i don't know but she's so happy she's so energetic she's excited it's so funny yeah
04:22:23.600
all right i'm gonna yeah yeah no worries yeah you can leave her yeah leave them both here it's fine
04:22:27.440
i'll take the um the dumbass and frank okay yeah just leave her here she's good um i have hero with me
04:22:34.960
oh you have hero with you too oh yeah yeah we call hero the dumbass no i'm just kidding no no no
04:22:40.880
now yeah bro he's a cat man yeah he don't listen to you don't listen to nothing bro yeah
04:22:47.200
so now i make fun of fresh all the time how hero's not trained he has beef with one of the frenchies
04:22:51.360
in this building it's funny oh you haven't seen it they fight oh i didn't know that yeah he fights
04:22:57.600
one of the frenchies the guy told me that every time fresh brings him in the elevator they are like
04:23:02.640
groaning at each other it's funny oh my god that's that's that's actually funny
04:23:06.720
yeah because hero's like a fox so that makes sense yeah i have to hit him i hope fresh don't mind but
04:23:15.040
he oh you're gonna say this on camera it's just that he's been climbing my bed you know my bed is
04:23:20.800
off limits and he chats they're gonna call pete on you angie go i don't hit him that much like i just
04:23:26.400
i just like i don't want they're gonna call pete on you no i mean it's just being disciplinary you
04:23:33.280
you smack him on the butt i just smack him yeah okay because because he he climbs on the bed and
04:23:38.480
and he he shakes himself and then he all his hairs come all over yeah and he chants a lot like he
04:23:44.240
chants like crazy so yeah yeah i think it's because he jumps on fresh's bed yeah but that's unacceptable
04:23:50.080
yeah yeah yeah i need to talk to fresh yeah he's like first don't first don't care man he just lets
04:23:55.600
hero do whatever he wants he just lets him do whatever he probably won't chase the sheets later
04:24:00.560
ew no no probably all right all right i'll see you all right let's get back to it
04:24:11.280
yeah um leah doesn't like frank bro she's annoyed by him so it's a chart released the other day of
04:24:19.840
political content number one in growth was might as touch um there were more left-wing shows growing
04:24:24.560
than right-wing shows and so now it's our time right now given how horrible trump is and how he's
04:24:29.040
destroying everything in this country they like or and he's like it's hard to tell bro one of them
04:24:34.800
wrote a pro-palestine op-ed and was kidnapped you look at these people as colleagues and as friends
04:24:40.720
and so you think well it can't possibly be as evil as it looks he kept like trying to come up with
04:24:44.800
reasons why they did oh did this person do vandalism is that why they were fucking arrested and it's like
04:24:48.080
no one of them wrote a pro this is where me and him agree on the on the deportations with the
04:24:53.760
college students as politically shattered as it is in of americans casually with a vote through
04:24:58.640
congress and he said fuck all about it lefty on some things right wing on other things i believe
04:25:02.800
in like universal health care stuff bro and in canada you're right all right he's making fun of rogan
04:25:06.720
the point is this i i i don't want to go through this anymore but the point is that he actually
04:25:10.400
thinks that dave smith would beat sam harris in the debate when it comes to palestine and israel
04:25:14.720
that's the point i'm trying to get out here he agrees on um dave smith will smack this guy which i
04:25:20.720
agree dave smith would absolutely smack this kind of debate because this guy sam harris is trying to
04:25:24.080
discredit dave smith and he also me and him agree on the customers getting deported for speech which
04:25:31.040
is retarded that's where me and leftists agree um but it pretty much ends there but um so let's go
04:25:38.160
back to the original debate how it started with this whole you need to um be uh expert to comment on
04:25:45.200
something which is ridiculous who is it which one is it who's the other one uh yeah oh you brought
04:25:51.840
daryl cooper on bro daryl cooper is a respected historian like what the are you talking about
04:25:59.200
there was one i just checked before on the way here daryl cooper and then oh yeah daryl cooper ian
04:26:04.160
carroll look these guys are not historians they're not knowledgeable about anything no one's calling
04:26:08.160
ian carol but then daryl cooper's a historian though why listen to their views on churchill daryl
04:26:13.120
is incredibly knowledgeable he's not he's not he's not several reasons one is when he was offered
04:26:20.640
to debate the current greatest living biographer of churchill he said i can't because he knows much
04:26:27.040
more than me and i admire his work and i've learned from it but i can't possibly debate him that's andrew
04:26:31.760
roberts but you don't have to be able to debate people to have opinions no no you don't have to
04:26:36.160
debate people if it's not your thing if you for instance well okay but if you say i've decided that
04:26:40.960
churchill is the bad guy somebody said somebody said somebody said neither carol nor cooper have
04:26:45.200
said that well listen i don't know what carol said but daryl cooper has not said that what he said was
04:26:48.560
he he jokes with his friend jocko who's an anglo-saxon he jokes with them you know i think that
04:26:54.720
churchill was the secret villain of world war ii and what he's saying is by churchill's actions the
04:27:01.200
war escalated he's not he's not he's not saying anything he's not just asking questions and is he
04:27:06.400
no but the claim isn't that he's just asking questions he has a point of view you can explain
04:27:09.760
this better he literally says he's joking in the comment he goes listen i'm being hyperbolic and
04:27:13.440
then he once again uh uh disclaimed he goes and i'm not claiming churchill committed the most atrocities
04:27:17.760
or was the worst part but see this is very important you guys see what murray is doing here
04:27:22.000
he's mischaracterizing daryl cooper's position to to tarnish his credibility see what he did there
04:27:39.680
okay he took a pretty much like off the cuff sarcastic hyperbolic remark and took it as like
04:27:45.920
fact that he said this and asked questions and then they want to take that as oh well that you're
04:27:52.800
making a a definite assertion so i want you to debate uh a fucking guy that did nothing but study
04:28:00.880
winston churchill well guess what um if all you did was study winston churchill um is that going to
04:28:09.520
make you an expert also on the other people that he's talking about mustache man because i would argue
04:28:16.800
if you want to go ahead have a debate on someone who's a expert and the most researched person on
04:28:21.840
winston churchill cool then you need to go ahead and find the most world-renowned expert on mustache man
04:28:29.440
right if you want to go ahead and play that game but it's so crazy how murray's like purposely like
04:28:38.400
he starts off to debate with this whole appeal to authority and let me discredit people and why are you
04:28:44.960
platforming people it's the same that bitch-ass sam harris literally was crying about just now
04:28:52.400
which i showed you guys uh kyle kalinsky uh reaction to that
04:28:57.600
in many ways i do view him as the chief villain is my hyperbolic provocative statement but but
04:29:02.480
what's the point of that well okay but pat buchanan wrote an entire book on this is he not allowed is
04:29:06.320
he not an expert is he not allowed he's certainly not an expert he can be interviewed i've watched
04:29:09.280
pat buchanan debate i watched pat buchanan debate against churchill historians and he was absolutely
04:29:13.520
leveled because he doesn't know what he's talking about when did he when did pat buchanan debate and get
04:29:17.040
levels about 20 years ago he debated against andrew roberts and several other historians
04:29:20.880
at intelligence square in london i was there he didn't know what he was talking about he had a
04:29:23.920
contrary view and it was interesting and stimulating to hear but if you only get the contrary view
04:29:28.640
which is isn't it fun if we all pretend churchill was the bad guy of the 20th century
04:29:33.120
at some point you're going to lead people down a path where they think that's the view
04:29:40.560
i don't think that's what he's trying i think that's exactly what they're doing
04:29:43.920
and the problem is is that because you i mean your own platform has come about because you're
04:29:48.400
a very successful comedian and much more and you do ask questions and you are interested but there are
04:29:53.360
a lot of people who have come along partly i think because they've come on this show who have come along
04:29:57.440
and they've decided i can play this double game on the one hand i'm going to push really edgy and
04:30:03.280
frankly sometimes horrific opinions and then if you say
04:30:06.560
they say that's wrong they say i'm a comedian but wait a minute what am i what how can you tell me
04:30:12.160
i'm just a comedian i'm just throwing stuff out what horrific opinions that's wrong are you talking
04:30:16.480
about specifically once guys like this get into very obvious stuff which is guys like daryl the ones
04:30:21.600
i'm describing listen to daryl to really understand what he's if you take his daryl's words out of
04:30:26.960
context daryl has some of the most nuanced balanced and what i'm about to say is some of the realest
04:30:46.400
there's been an enormous amount of backlash towards revisionism all right revisionism is the practice
04:30:56.480
of giving an alternative perspective on widely agreed upon historical events okay or narratives
04:31:07.760
and the reason why this is occurring is because for decades we have only been given one narrative right
04:31:17.920
and throughout the years as technology has gotten better independent journalists have been able to
04:31:28.000
create platforms independent podcasts have been able to create platforms independent platforms that
04:31:32.880
are free from censorship have been created right like rumble or platforms that have less censorship like x
04:31:39.760
as technology has gotten better and more people have had access to media equipment okay
04:31:51.440
these people have been able to challenge certain narratives that have been the staple for decades
04:31:57.360
that have been pushed by the mainstream media okay now
04:32:01.440
it's not perfect but people are challenging widely accepted narratives for decades with compelling evidence
04:32:14.560
for example for the longest time we thought some dude in a cave
04:32:25.520
and dangerous and deadly terrorist attack in american history and we thought he acted alone with no other help
04:32:35.760
a bunch of government documents came out showing that there was foreknowledge from american as well
04:32:50.160
okay there's declassified fbi reports cia documents that show
04:33:00.160
that israeli intelligence assets had foreign knowledge of the attack then you add in the fact
04:33:07.920
that a jewish billionaire by larry silverstein versus the buildings months before the attack
04:33:15.120
and then you get guys like richard gage who were experts in control demolition engineers that
04:33:25.360
without a shadow of a doubt know that this was a controlled demolition i did an entire podcast
04:33:30.160
where we went into detail excruciating detail as to why this was a controlled demolition
04:33:45.760
okay these theories these these different narratives they snowball over time
04:33:52.720
what ends up happening is people start to distrust the government
04:33:56.080
okay so though the government might have lied just about this one thing here
04:34:05.280
well guess what when the people find out they're gonna assume you lied about everything
04:34:13.280
this is why being honest all the time is so important because once you lose your credibility you
04:34:19.680
can't get it back okay and you fuel alternative media to come up with their own theories because you have
04:34:30.480
not proven to be trusted now for decades the mainstream media has been able to avoid this
04:34:41.280
because they've been spoon-fed certain narratives and they've been able to contain the genie in the
04:34:45.600
fucking bottle they did this through mass censorship of youtube meta instagram etc
04:34:54.880
but with the rise of alternative platforms with the rise in the one of free speech
04:35:00.480
there has been a persistent and strong backlash towards the censorship regime
04:35:08.560
okay and we are seeing the dam of censorship slowly cracking
04:35:19.760
what i'm about to say is going to be fairly unpopular
04:35:24.000
a lot of the people that make the conspiracy theories that they do
04:35:31.040
the frankis the sabbatists whatever the jews whatever
04:35:34.960
a lot of it will be wrong not all of it will be right
04:35:39.520
but since the mainstream media spends so much time lying to us and creating distrust
04:35:44.320
the american public trusts fringe conspiracy theorists more than people that might be telling the truth
04:35:53.920
however this is their fault because if you censor people for decades when they finally get the ability to
04:36:02.480
talk you're gonna get everything i'm gonna say that again when you censor people for decades
04:36:10.000
some of those voices legitimate some of those voices illegitimate
04:36:13.520
what you've effectively done is you've given credence
04:36:20.720
people that might not necessarily deserve it because the censorship was so wrong
04:36:26.880
sorry the censorship was so strong it's like a rubber band effect you've been pulling on it like this all this time
04:36:32.240
what the fuck do you think is going to happen when the rubber band is let go
04:36:38.400
it's going to snap with a degree of force that you will not be able to stop
04:36:44.320
and what we're observing right now ladies and gentlemen is the rubber band is pretty much on its last inch
04:36:54.080
and we are either already gonna let it go or it's on the verge of letting it go
04:37:02.400
some would make the argument that it's been let go already fair enough the point i'm trying to make
04:37:06.800
is is that you're gonna get smacked with that alternative narrative now 10 times harder because losers
04:37:14.640
from mainstream media pussies from social media
04:37:18.160
gatekeepers have kept alternative narratives out for so goddamn long and lied for so goddamn long
04:37:28.560
that the public would rather listen to a crazy kook than listen to the mainstream media and the mainstream
04:37:36.320
media and the censorship regime has itself to fucking blame for this so when guys like
04:37:42.880
douglas murray come in here and talk about hey you are platforming fringe conspiracy theorists
04:37:50.800
or we're allowing people into the marketplace of ideas okay that shouldn't be here or aren't qualified
04:37:57.360
to be here too fucking bad you didn't play by the rules for decades when it comes to free speech
04:38:05.440
so now they're not going to play by the rules now that they finally got the free speech do you understand
04:38:13.600
so let me be clear about this we are going to experience a period of time where kooks will
04:38:18.720
have a platform i'm not denying that kooks will absolutely get a platform okay they will be able
04:38:27.040
to get reach some of what murray is saying is true but he only has himself and the other gatekeepers to
04:38:38.400
because you've been suppressing this for so long and the perfect example i could give of this
04:38:45.920
during the jack dorsey era of twitter okay jack dorsey ran a censorship regime all right and when
04:38:53.920
he ran the censorship regime comments that were critical of them boys pretty much were an insta
04:39:01.920
ban as with many other social media platforms youtube meta etc i've talked about this a million
04:39:08.000
times i told you guys who ran these companies susan wajowski mark zuckerberg adam massari dorsey
04:39:14.480
wasn't necessarily one of those boys but let's just say that he has a lot of zionist friends in high places
04:39:20.880
so all the social media companies during the censorship regime pretty much made an agreement
04:39:25.600
that if you go ahead and you talk about this one topic niggas are getting banned
04:39:29.440
right well guess what happens a guy named elon musk acquires twitter and promises to allow free speech
04:39:39.280
now what ensued after that he didn't anticipate
04:39:43.680
october 7th happens shortly thereafter when october 7th happens everyone starts putting out media
04:39:48.960
showing kids getting blown up to smithereens i'm talking about grotesque images and video depicting
04:39:55.600
children with their heads blown off with their guts hanging out blood everywhere
04:40:00.240
shit that you wouldn't even see in a saw movie okay absolutely horrible
04:40:07.440
right he could not have foreseen that what did that do that woke the public up
04:40:14.320
to the evils of the israeli state people started sharing these images it started going viral on top
04:40:20.320
of that tick tock which is an unregulated app that goes off of engagement also is pushing the pro-palestinian
04:40:27.440
stuff okay with x and tick tock x is free speech tick tock's unregulated algorithm not regulated by the
04:40:41.440
adl there was a mass awakening beginning to happen to happen
04:40:49.600
what's up happening twitter becomes overwhelmingly anti-israel
04:40:56.400
in response to this jonathan greenblatt of the adl threatens to get rid of advertisers from twitter
04:41:03.520
elon musk famously goes on and says fuck the advertisers next thing you know where's he at
04:41:09.280
that he's at oschwitz with a small hat on with ben shapiro and benjamin netanyahu it was at that
04:41:16.960
point that i realized holy shit these motherfuckers really do run the world the richest man in the
04:41:22.480
world is at oschwitz after saying fuck off basically um caving in because of the advertisers dollars
04:41:35.040
why well because the adl understood that twitter was required to get trump into office if trump got
04:41:42.400
back into office israel would be preserved so they made a deal with elon basically to allow him to
04:41:48.480
continue to get ad dollars to push and become pro-trump so trump can win and wage the current war that he has on iran
04:41:58.080
so the adl temporarily took their boot off of elon's neck
04:42:08.560
to get trump in office because like i told you guys this before a million times on the show
04:42:12.720
left wing or right wing it doesn't matter all the birds go to israel
04:42:18.880
okay jonathan greenblatt who's a radical leftist ben shapiro who's right wing they both
04:42:25.200
agree when it comes to israel political parties don't matter when it comes to zionism bill a
04:42:31.920
lifelong democrat hillary voter biden voter a never trumper what did he do he supported trump why because
04:42:39.280
of israel do you see where i'm going here now okay so by the time elon musk had the yarmulke on at
04:42:50.160
fucking auschwitz saying that he supports israel guess what happened the genie was already outside
04:42:56.720
the bottle the awakening had already happened twitter was already overwhelmingly anti-israel
04:43:08.400
that's what allowed people like ian carroll and others to blow up and get these interviews and now
04:43:14.560
that they're doing these interviews on big mainstream platforms like joe rogan theo vaughn etc
04:43:22.960
basically what happened was we got a wedge in there
04:43:27.440
and now it's been broken open and the gatekeepers are mad and they're crying
04:43:33.920
that's what's going on here and that is why guys like doug uh doug murray and a bunch of others
04:43:40.080
are basically crying that independent media and free speech is winning and they've done everything
04:43:47.600
in their power this is their worst nightmare they've done everything in their power to stop this from
04:43:52.160
happening but they can't put the genie back in the bottle
04:43:57.120
that my friends is why you have establishment media personalities going so hard to push for
04:44:04.960
censorship they see what's going on here jonathan greenblatt is scared to death of what's going to happen
04:44:11.520
if more people wake up when it comes to the evils of israel because he knows israel's existence is
04:44:17.440
contingent upon u.s support if u.s support wanes and people no longer want to support israel
04:44:23.600
the country is gone they'll be overtaken by the arab world within a day okay so that is why people
04:44:29.600
like jonathan gleblatt etc are doing everything in their power to censor people because jonathan
04:44:35.280
gleblatt though an idiot is smart enough to understand this this is an age issue the youth
04:44:43.200
are the ones that are waking up because i'll tell you guys this conservative men that are below the age
04:44:51.440
of 35 are not listening to ben shapiro they're not listening to charlie kirk they're not listening to
04:44:58.400
steven crowder they're not listening to dan bongino you know who the they're listening to they're
04:45:02.800
listening to nick fuentes and other young influencers that are coming out and finally
04:45:10.000
calling a spade a spade and calling out the truth when it comes to who runs this government
04:45:19.280
so that's what's happening guys they're losing the narrative the establishment is scared
04:45:28.400
the people are waking up october 7th alongside twitter tiktok and rumble have created a wedge
04:45:36.000
which has opened up the door for people to get in and give the alternative narrative again with my
04:45:43.040
original position there will be people that will come in that are kooks that are not credible but
04:45:48.000
the mainstream media and the censorship regime only has themselves to blame because they've kept their
04:45:53.040
neck their boots on the neck of the truth for too long so now the american public doesn't trust them
04:46:00.800
the american public wants to hear the alternative narrative and kooks will get a platform and it'll
04:46:04.960
probably take a year or two to kind of debunk them and get them out of here but hey i'm not even mad
04:46:12.560
let the kooks in you guys have yourselves to blame this is what you get for censoring people about this
04:46:18.480
topic for decades monologue is completed let me know if you guys agree in the comments below
04:46:28.080
uh or in the chat but that honestly is why we are where we are now and i don't think i've seen anyone
04:46:34.240
else kind of summarize all that as to where we are when it comes to the censorship regime and this topic in
04:46:40.000
particular charitable views on all the figures in in in history well particularly hitler it seems no
04:46:48.400
no you're wrong you're wrong he doesn't is it what did he call him how did he describe him i think he
04:46:52.960
compared him to a a messed out psychopath who was holding an entire nation of people hostage i believe
04:46:58.000
was the he also said on here that that uh he wasn't anti-semitic until the holocaust there were no
04:47:02.960
speeches of hitler's in the 1930s no no no no no no he said he was not public he said he was down
04:47:09.680
playing it to win he said there was a period where he was down playing it to win over popular support
04:47:14.960
there is no historian of world war ii who thinks that hitler was downplaying anti-semitism in the
04:47:19.200
1930s that was what he was doing he wrote a book about it in the 1920s he got to power on it and he
04:47:25.200
grew his power on the back of it the idea that you can argue that in the 1930s adolf hitler was
04:47:30.800
downplaying the anti-semitism like there's no historian who would agree with that so why would
04:47:36.400
you throw out the idea that in the 1930s hitler was not being anti-semitic in public that was what
04:47:41.760
he was doing in public he announces to the german parliament what he wants to do so when you're
04:47:46.240
throwing out claims like he was keeping it down in the 1930s first of all what are you doing and
04:47:52.560
secondly why okay i mean i think that it's kind of hard because i don't even know exactly what daryl's
04:47:59.280
point on that was and so i'm not really in a position to argue what he was saying there i
04:48:03.600
don't think you're giving him the most charitable interpretation i don't need to give him the most
04:48:07.280
charitable interpretation to be able to see okay i think you're strong i should say look anyone can
04:48:11.440
look up what he said on this show and others what these two guys in particular have said on repeated
04:48:15.840
podcasts with both of you it's an attempt to downplay hitler and always to do down church i don't
04:48:21.760
think you downplayed hitler no i said in conversations with you and others this is the
04:48:26.720
schtick of these guys they've decided it's edgy and funny and i think this is very very interesting
04:48:30.640
and also very dangerous because we live in an in an era now that the writers got some mojo back in
04:48:36.160
america we saw years of crazy left overreach where they tried to make us all say the craziest things
04:48:43.280
and completely predictably there are now figures on the right playing with really dark and ugly stuff
04:48:49.840
on their side i agree they are mainstream um no the left is way more pro-censorship than the
04:48:56.320
right what are you talking about bro i mean this guy's british so whatever but i don't think i think
04:49:02.400
it's partly being mainstreamed by the two people i just described and both of you have kept speaking
04:49:05.920
to these people and you don't get on the historians who know about this and that that's just alarming to
04:49:12.720
me well can i just say because i kind of do agree with part of what you said there like i do think it
04:49:16.880
is true that almost as a reaction to like the woke insanity that we've seen on the left and i think
04:49:21.520
literally i think nobody's been a more effective critic of that than you i do think there has kind
04:49:25.040
of been a right-wing reaction that has embraced uh racialism and is is dangerous and not a good
04:49:31.600
path and now they're flirting with holocaust denial and dissolving hitler i think you're wrong to include
04:49:37.280
daryl in that group now the other thing is i'm sorry i'm misunderstanding what you're saying people that i've
04:49:41.280
had conversations with have downplayed the holocaust well who are the two guys daryl cooper um
04:49:48.800
mustache man is one of the most light about people in history bro so douglas murray that's
04:49:54.320
why people are so fucking annoyed he's one of the most light about people in history bro that's a
04:49:59.120
fucking fact her and uh and the other ian carroll i've never uh podcasted with ian carroll i have
04:50:05.120
podcasted with daryl cooper once and there he absolutely did not downplay any of the nazi atrocities at all
04:50:10.640
and i would also i would i think that if we're zooming out here a little bit maybe this is kind
04:50:14.160
of part of the disconnect broadly speaking in american culture the idea that it has not been
04:50:19.680
driven into people enough that the nazis were bad and that adolf hitler was he is literally the
04:50:24.880
modern devil he is much more so than the actual devil adolf hitler is what's viewed as the most
04:50:30.400
evil thing to the point that i mean just my entire life growing up if there was a guy who sold soup
04:50:35.200
on seinfeld who was like authoritarian he's a soup nazi everyone was hitler the left called george
04:50:39.840
bush hitler and they called obama hitler and they called trump hitler every single enemy that we've
04:50:43.280
gone to war with uh always called hitler saddam hussein's the new hitler mahmur qaddafi is the
04:50:47.760
new hitler putin's the new hitler it is so so the idea that like we haven't driven into people enough
04:50:53.760
i know adolf hitler was a really bad guy i'm not saying that at all i'm saying just as the left likes
04:50:58.720
to play with very dark ugly stuff and they've done it for decades they have done they have played down
04:51:05.040
chairman mao's murder of the chinese throughout his era in power they played down stalin they still
04:51:10.160
march on occasions with posters of lenin they they've spent decades trying to do down evils that
04:51:17.600
were done on their side and i would suggest that one of the things that is going on at the moment
04:51:22.400
is despite or maybe because of what you just described there are movements now on the right
04:51:26.480
in america subcultures including people who follow both of you who are very interested in playing with this
04:51:32.480
this absolute uh beyond the pale thing why somebody like jake shields wants to play around
04:51:38.160
with holocaust denial why i can't answer for jake shields i don't know why do you think i have no
04:51:50.960
jake shields got the mention on the joe rogan podcast that's probably why the spLC is trying to
04:51:55.520
interview him right now the spLC jake tweeted out today i'll show you guys huh this is crazy now it
04:52:05.360
makes sense let me let me look this up real quick for you guys
04:52:25.520
so this is a response yeah joe rogan only shut up and lonely listen to us experts who are paid
04:52:34.320
millions by israel joe rogan and dave smith are now now owned douglas murray the expert has
04:52:39.680
so jake got this okay boom here's a little goblin from spLC this is who uh this is who wants to
04:52:56.720
silence us if you have any personal information on this man please let me know it's time we treat
04:53:00.720
them how they treat us so this is the guy oh yeah hauser bruh nigga
04:53:06.080
we're gonna do an early life on this guy let's see let's see oh man
04:53:14.800
why do you spell this dick his name tish schauser
04:54:05.360
vibes but we'll see um but yeah basically he gets this letter from the spLC
04:54:10.160
um and they say i'm an investigator at the southern poverty law center spLCL civil rights
04:54:16.000
organization based in alabama my co-author and i writing a story about your podcast that will
04:54:19.120
be published on our website i'm content you provide you an opportunity to respond to details of our
04:54:22.080
story if you wish to respond to our story we need your comments by thursday april 10th and noon
04:54:26.880
eastern time our story details the following your podcast circulates anti-semitic conspiracy
04:54:31.920
theories white national talk point and well male supremacist bigotry your podcast appears to violate
04:54:37.200
his policies on spotify apple podcast and youtube design to limit the spread of dehumanizing violent
04:54:41.680
and threatening language that targets individuals or groups based on immutable characteristics you
04:54:45.840
appear to understand that the content you produce violates these policies because certain podcasts are
04:54:49.840
not published to youtube spotify or apple podcasts and only appear on your rumble channel
04:54:54.400
um in a february post x you mentioned that your podcast episode featuring aol comathy was
04:55:01.600
removed to youtube for violating his policies on december 29th your podcast appears to advocate for
04:55:05.520
violence against health care providers who provide care to transgender children saying all the doctors
04:55:10.640
that therapists are supposed to wow on december 29th podcast after you appear to advocate violence you
04:55:15.600
state that you need to cut that line from the youtube version of the episode and then you explicitly
04:55:19.760
acknowledge spotify as weak enforcement of its own rules you use your x account to circulate
04:55:24.240
anti-semitic conspiracy theories uh including one comment from february which you state i don't
04:55:28.960
believe a single jew died in the gas chamber and then on x you appear to call for the death of
04:55:33.120
senator john fetterman due to the support of israel so um
04:55:42.160
and this is what they do guys this is how censorship works in america right um and i guarantee you
04:55:49.120
the reason why the spLC is interested is because um um his name was mentioned right here in this
04:55:58.560
podcast for jake shields shields wants to play absolute uh beyond the pale thing why somebody like
04:56:05.360
jake shields wants to play around with holocaust denial why i can't answer for jake shields i don't
04:56:10.880
know why do you think i have no idea i think a lot of people get captured so i guarantee you this line right
04:56:17.520
right here they're like wait who's jake shields because he got mentioned on the podcast bam now
04:56:21.600
this guy earlier today saying that um hey i'm interested in doing this hit piece or i'm interested
04:56:27.680
in getting your comments now here's how censorship works in america guys and this is why these guys
04:56:40.640
there's three main problematic agencies here there's the adl anti-defamation league there's the spLC
04:56:46.640
southern poverty law center and media matters they all cosplay as a civil rights organization but in
04:56:55.760
reality they are censorship watchdog regimes and this is how they operate they find creators that spout
04:57:04.640
out what they call anti-semitic racist or bigoted comments if that creator has a large following or
04:57:12.400
a dedicated support base what they do is is they go to the people that platform them the big platforms
04:57:20.000
meta facebook youtube instagram etc spotify as you guys can see here wherever that person produces
04:57:26.800
content and they write a hit piece on that creator saying that they're espouting hate or violence or
04:57:34.320
whatever else they want to say and they then lobby to that platform and say if this person continues
04:57:42.240
to stay on your platform we are going to talk to advertisers well why is this a problem this is
04:57:48.240
a problem because these social media companies rely on advertisers to stay free guys whenever a service
04:57:54.320
allows you to use their service for free that means you are the fucking product okay so if these social
04:58:01.520
media companies get their advertisers pulled that's a death sentence for them so what are they gonna do
04:58:06.960
stick with their creator that makes the content or just get rid of that creator and continue to get the
04:58:12.160
ad dollars coming in i think we all know the answers to that one unless you're rumble you're not
04:58:16.640
going to stick by your fucking creators you're going to get rid of them and go ahead and censor them
04:58:20.880
this is how censorship works in america and this is how they're able to get around the first amendment
04:58:25.280
okay and they've been doing this for years three main agencies media matters splc the adl anyone that
04:58:34.720
makes any type of controversial political content knows these three motherfuckers by name especially if
04:58:40.960
you're on the right wing there's right wing watch and a couple others as well but the three that i
04:58:46.000
mentioned are the big ones so when they write a letter like this asking you they don't really want
04:58:51.680
your opinion they just want to use any statement you make against them or make to defend yourself
04:58:57.520
against you but they're going to go ahead and lobby to the organizations anyway to get you banned
04:59:03.600
that is why he's writing this hit piece and why he has specific documented days and comments
04:59:08.240
this guy is a scumbag not jake shields the splc guy
04:59:19.520
but this is how censorship works in america my friends and this is why
04:59:22.880
and this is how it's worked for a while by the way now the good news is losers like jeff and other
04:59:29.600
mainstream media outlets don't get the same level of respect and credibility that they used to have
04:59:34.560
because what ended up happening was the adl splc and media matters got drunk with power during the
04:59:39.760
biden administration they got a lot of people banned after january 6th there was a fucking clean
04:59:47.280
break sweep getting rid of anyone that was associated to january 6th anyone that was considered a problematic
04:59:58.880
and a lot of guys got hit during the biden administration now
05:00:04.480
we're finally coming back center and trying to kind of combat this mass censorship but that does not
05:00:10.160
mean that these organizations aren't still trying to do what they're doing okay so obviously you guys
05:00:16.240
know i like jake i hope nothing happens but this is how these organizations play and the fact that he
05:00:22.320
was mentioned on this jerogan podcast is great but that always comes with a cost if you go on big
05:00:29.920
platforms like this and you talk about these topics they will come after you ian carroll went on rogan
05:00:36.160
had a meetup set up and they called the location and got it canceled
05:00:46.880
candace owens can't travel to australia and she was also banned from new zealand
05:00:53.520
dan bilzerian got kicked off his own board at ignite
05:01:04.000
andrew tate was targeted by the florida attorney general
05:01:11.760
if you have a big platform and you are extremely influential that will directly tie to how hard they
05:01:19.440
go with trying to get you canceled when you talk about this certain topic especially
05:01:27.760
candace owens is allowed to go to new zealand now i think they repealed that one but she's still banned
05:01:34.800
which is wild to me that she got banned for an entire from an entire country
05:01:40.320
for talking about what's going on in gaza but look i mean
05:01:43.920
you know they sit there and say hey it's anti-semitic to say that they have world power and then
05:01:47.200
literally they prove that they have world power by banning her from a country they banned her from
05:01:51.600
a country and they get mad when you say like damn these guys got a lot of influence hey
05:01:59.920
don't you dare say that we got influence or else we'll use our influence and ban you
05:02:08.400
from multiple countries it's like you can't make this up bro it's like
05:02:24.960
literally lobbies to get him canceled and he banked goes on to breakfast club
05:02:31.520
and says yeah we have to shut him down but did he say that you guys control everything yeah but
05:02:49.280
yeah i know a lot of you guys are probably looking at the screen like a chinese nigga too i know
05:02:54.240
literally at this point you guys might as well call me fucking ling ling because it's like
05:02:57.040
like what so y'all canceled him for saying that you guys cancel people and you have control yeah
05:03:33.040
i mean you niggas might as well call me pecs on now at this point because honestly that's all i
05:03:44.800
do whenever i listen to these guys talk these censorship guys like i just become
05:03:48.800
fucking i love you a long time it's like bro what the hell is going on here with this fuckery
05:04:01.120
anyway carrying on by this by audience captured by the rodent yeah i think that's that's the thing
05:04:07.440
you get a lot of positive reinforcement from a bunch of twisted people well it's also i mean it's
05:04:12.000
there's something about um you know michael malice had that great line he goes uh when you take the
05:04:15.600
red pill you're supposed to take one and not swallow the whole bottle and i think there's
05:04:18.720
like this dynamic what happens is and then of course people know the red pill is the analogy
05:04:22.080
from the matrix the idea that you wake up to realizing that so much of the stuff you believed
05:04:26.320
was bullshit propaganda and it's all lies and this is a real danger when the establishment and the
05:04:32.080
institutions are all caught with their pants down having sold a bunch of very consequential
05:04:35.920
policies based on lies and then once people realize that they go well what else have they been
05:04:40.240
lying to me about and then they almost want to look into every single thing and go yeah i think the whole
05:04:45.600
perfectly he literally said what i said already and remember guys i did not see this interview yet
05:04:50.800
thing was less now i agree with you there's danger in that and i think that there are some things that
05:04:54.160
then people jump to conclusions that are totally wrong but i guess i tend to look at that and go well
05:04:58.960
then maybe the people with power not random podcasters but like the people with real power
05:05:04.160
should do a better job of not lying through their teeth about everything well maybe you have power
05:05:09.280
maybe you have power both of you we live in an era where podcasters have a lot of power if you go on a
05:05:14.240
podcast with jake shields and jake shields goes on to another podcast and says he doesn't think six
05:05:18.080
million jews were killed in the holocaust what do you think's happening there that's an exercise of
05:05:22.800
power okay okay a um and i agree with you about the breakdown of trust absolutely we
05:05:40.640
if me and you are having a war and you've had bazookas and you've been shooting rockets into my
05:05:47.760
shit meanwhile i got like a a little glock shooting back like i can't do nothing though i'm shooting back
05:05:54.000
a little shot here and there right but you're over here dropping bombs on me
05:06:01.840
right 10 years passes 20 years passes 30 years passes i'm using my glock i'm max payne i'm jumping
05:06:10.560
all over the place slow motion right i'm doing all this fucking acrobatic
05:06:24.160
shit trying to live for 30 years with my two fucking handguns meanwhile you got machine guns
05:06:30.880
you're fucking dropping bombs on my ass right and i somehow survive all right i somehow survived this
05:06:41.760
onslaught for decades but then now i get some rockets i get some fucking machine guns
05:06:50.400
and i can fucking do the shit in slow motion right now i can do that shit you expect me to not fuck you up
05:07:08.720
what murray is inferring here is oh bro like now you guys got the power don't utterly destroy us
05:07:24.880
nigga i know some y'all played max payne back in the day i'm popping fucking painkillers remember you
05:07:30.480
have low health you about to die they gotta take a painkiller to fucking live i'm over here taking
05:07:36.080
fucking painkillers constantly screen is red i'm like link half a heart left
05:07:50.880
right i'm about to die and then all of a sudden somebody gives me a fucking game shark
05:07:59.360
and i'm not able to fucking put that shit into my n64 or my playstation or whatever
05:08:07.040
now i got all the cheat codes nigga that game shark is freedom of speech platforms
05:08:15.760
so now i can finally compete with the motherfuckers that been going crazy on me
05:08:21.200
and i got the machine guns now but you want me to give you guys mercy
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fuck y'all niggas man that's what the alternative side is looking like
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what happened popping this fucking max payne painkiller shit trying to survive against y'all niggas hell no bro
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get the fuck out of here murray no dude they're not gonna go ahead and go easy on y'all now that they
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have power when you guys have had it for literally decades monopolized it censored us destroyed lives
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the bank people got them banned from countries got them losing their jobs losing their credibility
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people have lost their lives over censorship murray
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do you not understand that no you don't because you're an establishment idiot
05:09:16.480
but people have literally lost their lives talking about this shit
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so those people that lost their livelihoods are not going to play nice when they finally get the
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weapons that you've been using against them the whole time that's the analogy i'm trying to give you here
05:09:31.600
anyway shall we cook in a night or what bro we cook in a night or what
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look i was supposed to do a zoom call well my castle club premium guys i think you guys are enjoying
05:09:46.960
so i was supposed to do it at 11. castle club premium guys i'm going to talk to noble right now
05:09:53.440
and see if we could do it tomorrow or this weekend so i can give you all more time
05:09:59.040
because i'm on a roll right now and i and i know the castle club premium guys understand
05:10:08.880
so let me uh talk to noble we'll keep watching this interview though we have lived through an era
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where in real time we saw something called a conspiracy the lab leak which turns out to be
05:10:18.240
true as you and others said it might be from the beginning i find that to be very racist
05:10:22.640
and against joe it used to be racist when we were saying that the it was likely that the
05:10:30.160
covid variant had come out from the place making covid variants especially since it's in the exact
05:10:35.280
sound like it seemed like it was possible to us by the way ask yourself this who has access to your
05:10:40.480
medical history in theory it's just you and your doctor but in reality hundreds of what else have we
05:10:45.200
been lied to maybe churchill wasn't a great guy maybe hitler wasn't such a bad guy maybe the holocaust
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and nobody is saying that no one is saying maybe hitler wasn't such a bad guy you are saying that
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no one's saying that in the 1930s hitler kept the anti-semitism down no no no that's not what he's
05:10:58.880
saying what he was saying is that he didn't do it as publicly he was doing it in meetings because
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the support for that kind of thinking wasn't as ubiquitous as it was is i've seen this i've seen this
05:11:09.520
before i know exactly what these guys are drinking they're drinking a couple of very very discredited
05:11:14.640
historians like david irving and they are just regurgitating it and it was always been the same
05:11:20.640
thing it is always an attempt to minimize hitler's anti-semitism actions eventually down the road you
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get to minimizing his actual involvement in the holocaust and then you can you can't say that
05:11:30.960
about daryl okay i think what you're what you're guilty of here is kind of similar to i think something
05:11:34.960
that the woke left has done which is this concept creep where you're talking about some people online
05:11:38.720
who are doing this thing and then you're lumping in other people with them listen i'll just say this
05:11:42.480
right now daryl cooper is currently i believe almost finished or he's working on a big world war
05:11:46.800
ii uh series and when this comes out we can see we can yeah he does long form podcasts when when this
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comes out i'm quite confident to say beforehand that if you're going into it expecting him to be
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downplaying the atrocities of the nazis or downplaying the evil things that you're going to be disappointed
05:12:03.680
why are we even talking about this guy because you brought him yes because he comes on podcasts like
05:12:08.000
this my point is this is not a serious historian he's not a historian he's been he never
05:12:12.240
never claims to be he's been doing these long-form podcasts on these subjects for over a decade and
05:12:16.320
if you go back to 2015 and listen to fear and loathing in the new jerusalem it's an incredible
05:12:22.400
piece and it's how many hours long 30 something and he it literally starts from the persecution of the
05:12:28.480
jews where they're being driven out of europe it's like this horrific account of what happens to these
05:12:32.160
people it's what he's trying to do is paint a picture of how the world goes mad and how the world goes
05:12:39.280
sideways and he's doing it from the perspective initially of these jewish people that are living
05:12:44.720
in europe that all of a sudden their neighbors are turning on them and they're being attacked
05:12:48.400
like the it's incredibly charitable but what he's trying to do is show what happens to human beings
05:12:56.240
when they're confronted with unbelievable atrocities and how things go so incredible lots of people have
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written and spoken about that so why is he not allowed to i don't understand he is allowed to so he is
05:13:06.320
allowed to i'm saying that there is a there's a weird way in which figures like him whose ideas are
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not being counted when they are raised are given platform after platform to spread their their views
05:13:15.520
they are welcome to those platforms i'm not saying they shouldn't be platform i'm saying these are
05:13:18.480
very very fringe figures who are pushing ideas that are either debunked now have been debunked before
05:13:24.240
or they will not stand up against somebody who disagrees with them okay i i would just say maybe this is
05:13:28.160
the disconnect here when you say there's like not pushback daryl's one line on tucker carlson this one line
05:13:33.040
where he himself said he was being hyperbolic and kind of says this to prod at his buddy got more
05:13:37.520
pushback than any one line i've ever heard on a podcast there were numerous articles written by
05:13:42.160
historians numerous shows that covered it people went through their twitter threads about it so i don't
05:13:46.400
exactly get your point like there was lots of pushback saying you're saying he should go and debate
05:13:50.480
somebody who's giving him pushback on that okay maybe i'm saying it's reasonable for him to say i don't really
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do it yeah i think it's weird to mainstream very fringe views constantly and not give another side i think that's
05:14:01.040
weird the reason why is because the other side is too scared to debate these people that's why
05:14:11.280
i'll give you guys a perfect example everyone is scared to debate nick fuentes everybody ben chapiro
05:14:18.080
charlie kirk etc so they're scared to debate him he builds up an audience and they're still scared
05:14:27.840
out to debate them so the issue isn't the fringe voices don't want to debate it's actually the
05:14:33.440
contrary the fringe voices do want to debate it's the mainstream people that don't want to
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fucking do it murray what the fuck are you talking about bro like dude holy well i mean okay i think
05:14:50.560
there's a little bit of a contradiction here you're saying now that there these are fringe views but
05:14:53.760
then you're also saying that these are enormously powerful no no no there's no contradiction let me
05:14:56.880
clear it off if you think there is i think there are very fringe views that have become mainstreamed on
05:15:01.600
the right but then aren't they not fringe by definition sure you can play an epistemological game no i'm just
05:15:05.600
no i'm just saying what you do understand the concept don't you that fringe ideas become
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mainstreamed okay right sure so that's it okay i still i'm not exactly sure so you're saying that
05:15:15.120
what joe shouldn't have daryl cooper on i'm saying that there will have that if you mainstream very
05:15:20.080
very fringe views which are easily able to be debunked if you if you if you mainstream them at some
05:15:26.080
point that view that was so fringe will be what eager very uh um disconnected unhappy people are
05:15:33.440
going to start playing with too and if if these people are okay then tell the mainstream people
05:15:39.440
to stop being pussies that's the problem the mainstream people don't want to debate dude like
05:15:45.120
is this murray guy retarded does not understand that the mainstream people don't want to debate because
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they feel as though they are above the fringe people and i just gave you guys the perfect example of this
05:15:58.560
for years okay for literally for years charlie kirk ben shapiro etc have ducked debating nick fuentes
05:16:09.840
he has offered to debate them on multiple occasions and they refuse to do it okay for literally for
05:16:15.040
years so this is just one example but there's more examples of established media personalities refusing to
05:16:24.000
debate fringe personalities because the establishment personalities are scared
05:16:31.920
sorry guys my other camera keeps turning off here keeps overheating so i'm gonna fucking um
05:16:38.080
fix that anyway let's keep going but experts in how you see a society go weird they can look
05:16:44.560
at what is happening to a portion of the right everywhere on this stuff there's a portion of the right
05:16:49.280
across the west that is playing this very dark game and they're doing it deliberately and you
05:16:54.880
can't not be aware of that i am i agree with that i don't think daryl cooper is doing that but i do
05:16:58.880
agree with your your characterization i think it's a pretty important distinction there you're just
05:17:02.160
taking this one statement and then this where he's trying to joke around with his buddy this this
05:17:07.840
churchill statement and this is the basis these other guys are all doing the anti-churchill stuff now
05:17:12.640
but he's not doing an anti-churchill stuff he and the other church was the author of this whole
05:17:17.520
operation unthinkable right where they wanted to use the nazis to invade russia wasn't that churchill
05:17:24.800
is that not true we're going to have to get into the weeds on churchill there is always going to
05:17:28.800
be a corner which you can get me on on a bit of churchill but that's you have to you'd have to
05:17:34.000
say a comprehensive view yeah churchill was never working with the germans to invade no no no this is
05:17:40.800
is a plan that was drawn up do you do you know about operation unthinkable pull it up jimmy um
05:17:46.480
here we go we went from it was supposed to be israel whatever now this guy since he wants to
05:17:50.720
bring up daryl cooper right now they're on a whole other tangible of churchill
05:17:57.280
see and this right here what you guys are seeing is why the establishment doesn't want to debate this
05:18:00.480
shit now he's looking like an ass clown fucking dumbass operation unthinkable was at the end of
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the war i believe churchill was concerned about the rise of of russia in in the rise of the soviet
05:18:12.160
union and the the idea was and we'll find out what the historical facts are about this operation
05:18:18.240
unthinkable the name given to two related possible future war plans developed by the british chief of
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staff committee against the soviet union during 1945 the plans were never implemented the creation of
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the plans was ordered by the british prime minister winston churchill on may 1945 and developed by the
05:18:30.400
british armed forces joint planning staff in may 1945 the end of world war ii in europe one plan
05:18:35.200
assumed a surprise attack on the soviet forces stationed in germany to oppose the will the united
05:18:40.320
state imposed rather the will of the united states and the british empire upon russia the will was
05:18:44.000
qualified as a square deal for poland but added that that does not necessarily limit the military
05:18:48.320
commitment the assessment signed by the chief of army staff on 9 june 1945 included it would be beyond
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our power to win a quick but limited success and we would be committed to a protracted war against heavy
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odds the code yeah this is okay first of all i never do wikipedia okay that's okay that's okay
05:19:05.920
this is just what jamie pulled up okay but first of all yes at the end of the war and a plan requested
05:19:12.400
that wasn't seen through that suggests that after the defeat of nazism communism of the soviet form is
05:19:18.000
also going to be a threat to europe was simply an evidence that i mean it's obvious true it's what
05:19:22.080
churchill worried about throughout the 40s worried about it in yalta worried about it everywhere i'm sorry
05:19:27.040
i have to return to this point that this man manages to do one of the most heroic things in human
05:19:33.440
history in standing alone against evil in its most concentrate form and he does about as much as any
05:19:39.440
human being can do to save the civilized world if you just park that and you go on to a
05:19:48.400
plan in 1945 to try to counter soviet domination of europe you see what i'm saying this is this is
05:19:55.040
not doing something in the round yeah it's also look i mean look i i'm not even like the ex i'm not at
05:20:00.640
all the expert on world war ii um and i'm not like gonna debate with you about world war ii but i would
05:20:04.880
say that like that is there's a lot of room for nuance and disagreement with what you just said you
05:20:10.720
know in the 20th century we had two world wars they're the worst thing objectively speaking the worst
05:20:15.360
thing that's ever happened in the history of the world and the second world war is the biggest
05:20:19.440
bloodbath in human history and it ended with handing the man who you just mentioned joseph
05:20:23.280
stalin half of europe so listen if you want to argue i'm jewish of german descent so like i'm not
05:20:28.640
against the argument that it was the nazis had to be defeated and that was the most important thing
05:20:32.160
but there still is just the basic facts that it was a it almost couldn't have gone worse it was like
05:20:37.120
just a nightmare for civilization and if people want to look back at that and go man was there any other
05:20:42.320
way this could have been handled was there any other way were there blunders that were made here
05:20:45.360
now personally what i feel much more uh comfortable arguing would be that i try to blame everything i
05:20:50.080
can on woodrow wilson as much as i can because also he created the income tax on the federal reserve and
05:20:53.520
did so much to damage my country but i think american entry into world war one was really a disaster
05:20:59.520
and imposing the treaty of versailles on germany was a disaster and and who forced not forced but who
05:21:06.320
enticed the united states into world war one matter of fact
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But secondly—sorry, I just have to address that fundamental.
05:23:22.340
You say the outcome of World War II and everything that happened, and it was the worst thing that's ever happened.
05:23:27.260
And the worst thing imaginable, worst possible outcome, you said.
05:23:37.960
Okay, I'm not saying you can't dream up a worse outcome.
05:23:40.160
All right, I'm reading a couple of these chats.
05:23:42.040
Jonah Oswald goes, this guy, bro, appreciate that.
05:23:44.720
Guy says, hey, Myron, I'm currently finishing my first year of uni and no longer have financial support to continue.
05:23:48.920
Should I join the military for a couple of years or go through military universities to get paid and not pay for education later?
05:23:56.380
You can, bro, but we are in a very tumultuous time right now.
05:24:01.060
War with Iran might be around the corner, bro, so I would say try to find another way if you can, unless you want to go to war for Israel.
05:24:08.640
Josiah says, Myron, you should do a mini docu-series on Mustache Man.
05:24:13.160
I learned a version of school, but starting to realize a lot of it is wrong.
05:24:15.400
Yeah, I'll probably watch The Greatest Story Never Told, which you guys on Cast Club.
05:24:19.920
Kumo DTV, I don't know if you have time, but look at 600 Breezy crash out after a female,
05:24:24.220
wildly self-incriminate, I think, and the diamond is on the way.
05:24:29.800
Okay, that's not today's topic, bro, but I'll save that maybe for tomorrow.
05:25:03.940
Yo, Myron, do you have any advice on how I can make myself smarter?
05:25:35.440
And then let me look here, make sure I don't miss anything on the Rumble Rants.
05:25:39.420
Myron, I was told you needed some advice about flying.
05:25:55.260
Hitler, the most evil, yet we have Benjamin Netanyahu bombing a group of kids.
05:25:59.880
And then, yeah, who actually, funny enough, has dropped more bombs than Hitler did.
05:26:04.280
Can you always have the girl have questions for her and be cool?
05:26:23.420
Myron got himself a mythical creature because her kind doesn't exist in America anymore.
05:26:32.240
That's just what my country, Earth, and others went through.
05:26:34.140
What did end up happening was 60 million people died, including the Holocaust, and then Joseph
05:26:46.660
This is a very weird argument that you now hear about.
05:26:49.540
This attempt to revision this, and I know why it's happening.
05:26:51.540
I don't think there's anything to say that's revisionist.
05:26:53.220
I think there is, but this attempt to sort of say, look, you know, at the end of World
05:27:06.260
This particular school of, as it were, history is doing something that I've seen happen with
05:27:10.980
American history as well, particularly with Lincoln.
05:27:12.780
Lincoln's an interesting comparison to make with Churchill on this.
05:27:15.560
There are people who will criticize Churchill for mistakes made not hard to do, quite hard
05:27:20.780
not to make mistakes while fighting at a war of total annihilation against your country.
05:27:26.020
People will say, oh, he didn't sort this out in 1945.
05:27:30.320
And he didn't solve every problem in the world for all time, but he solved a hell of
05:27:36.060
And that requires some kind of generosity of spirit and understanding in hindsight, as
05:27:42.260
opposed to, I will find something that he did that I wouldn't have done, because if
05:27:46.440
I'd have been running the British Empire in 1939, I'd have known exactly how to do it.
05:27:50.260
And I'd have known how to hold the whole thing together.
05:27:55.840
And I'm going hard to paint for this stream for you guys.
05:28:01.300
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05:28:08.020
We've been maintaining, you know, 3,000 viewers for the most part.
05:28:21.800
Working really hard, dropping a bunch of shorts and clips for you guys every single day.
05:28:29.960
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As a matter of fact, as we speak, I'm going to get that camera angle back up over there, as you guys know.
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05:28:46.200
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05:28:51.860
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05:29:01.040
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05:29:08.100
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05:29:10.700
Like tonight, I would have been only able to do an hour, but I'm going to make it longer for y'all tomorrow or this weekend or some shit like that.
05:29:18.480
So, just like the video on YouTube, guys, that's all I'm asking.
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Let's get the 3,000 likes if you guys don't mind.
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Let's hit 2,600 and then work our way towards 3,000.
05:29:33.660
Y'all are not going to get a better in-depth breakdown of this fucking debate anywhere else on YouTube, just so you guys know, from someone that's based.
05:29:40.360
I didn't see of like woke left kids to do this, but I don't think that's what, certainly not what I'm saying, and I don't think what Daryl's saying.
05:29:46.180
I do also think that one of the bigger, kind of the bigger picture dynamics to all of this is that we have, at least since 9-11, been in a state of perpetual war.
05:30:00.380
They have been so many lies involved in selling all of them.
05:30:03.380
I mean, the whole Iraq war, the whole war in Afghanistan, just lying the whole way through.
05:30:07.860
I mean, I remember literally having conversations with Green Berets in the middle of the war in Afghanistan, and they're like,
05:30:12.760
George W. Bush is telling you that the army we're building up there is really successful.
05:30:16.180
This thing's going to fall in a week without us.
05:30:18.260
And then all through the Obama administration, it's just like lie after lie after lie with disastrous wars.
05:30:22.320
And so this does create a fertile ground for people to say, I wonder if they were lying about all these wars.
05:30:27.080
Again, I'm not really trying to argue about World War II.
05:30:30.120
I think the interesting question is whether you're busy watering it.
05:30:32.840
Well, should you not talk about mistakes that were made overall?
05:30:37.100
I have all four going back and looking at mistakes.
05:30:40.720
It's a very weird thing to go back, zone in on a man, say, this one thing is a mistake and should characterize him, and you ignore everything else.
05:30:48.040
You're taking him out of context when you're talking about Daryl, who's done...
05:30:54.980
Bro, that's what you're doing with Daryl Cooper right now.
05:31:05.680
UFC 314 is headed to South Beach and it won't be all...
05:31:11.300
You say he doesn't claim to be a historian, but he's pumping out tens of hours of history.
05:31:21.400
Where you say, hang on, you know all about this as well.
05:31:23.640
You say, I'm not a historian, but I'm going to spend my time talking about history.
05:31:27.900
I'm not a journalist, but I'm going to spend my time talking about this thing.
05:31:31.360
I'm not an expert on this, but I'm going to spend my...
05:31:33.520
Bro, like, for certain professions, like, you don't have to have that title anymore, bro.
05:31:37.660
There's political commentators now that get more views and get more attention that are fucking YouTubers than actual journalists.
05:31:49.020
And you guys only have yourselves to blame for this, for lying for decades and controlling the narrative.
05:32:09.200
I'm pushing liberty, free markets, peace, prosperity.
05:32:12.400
See, this guy's British, so they don't even have a concept of freedom of speech in this cucked-out fucking stupid country.
05:32:17.860
So he doesn't even have the same ideals as us, right?
05:32:21.740
Keep in mind, guys, that this dude's fucking British.
05:32:23.780
Bro, like, like, dude, they don't have free speech where he's from.
05:32:31.960
Not getting in another stupid catastrophic war, which we're on the precipice of right now?
05:32:37.060
Well, I think you, weren't you just talking about it the other day?
05:32:38.640
Everyone I hear on the inside says we're about to attack a round.
05:32:42.600
I think you just said something about that the other day.
05:32:44.800
I thought I saw in one of your interviews that you did.
05:32:47.100
That doesn't mean we are on the verge of a war.
05:32:49.020
I mean, you keep referring to we being in wars.
05:33:01.620
We've been on air now for five and a half hours, and we're still in it.
05:33:04.520
A country having a military that's engaged, and a country being at war.
05:33:12.200
You've not been fighting for the American homeland for 25 years.
05:33:16.480
We've been picking on third world countries halfway around the world.
05:33:18.400
Well, you haven't been randomly picking on them.
05:33:23.160
It wasn't like you suddenly decided to bomb again Myanmar or something.
05:33:26.780
We went for Afghanistan to find bin Laden and take revenge for 9-11
05:33:30.680
and stop an attack like that happening again on the American homeland.
05:33:33.920
That is very different from a country being at war.
05:33:35.920
Yeah, but that's a total mischaracterization of the war in Afghanistan.
05:33:39.100
That might be an accurate characterization of the special operations mission in late 2001,
05:33:42.720
but then we fought a 20-year regime-change war against the Taliban.
05:33:45.660
Because you got dragged into the quicksand of war.
05:33:50.500
But who dragged us into the quicksand of war, bro?
05:33:55.400
Who dragged us into the quicksand of war, Murray?
05:33:58.660
And honestly, who dragged you guys into the quicksand of war?
05:34:02.720
Tony Blair still hasn't recovered his fucking image from his support and involvement in the Iraqi war.
05:34:11.520
It fucked you guys up, too, Murray, you retard.
05:34:16.000
To this day, Tony Blair is still admonished by British society.
05:34:20.900
And a big part of it is because of his involvement in the Iraqi fucking war, man.
05:34:39.220
As if you're personally, like, suffering this war.
05:34:48.040
Douglas, if I went back and corrected you on every time you've used the term weed to refer to your government or something like that.
05:34:52.580
Like, if I were to say, oh, we just imposed tariffs on China, would you point out that I didn't and it was the Trump administration?
05:35:00.360
I'm just trying to make sure we're accurate here.
05:35:06.000
I think they've killed hundreds of thousands of people and cost my country $8 trillion and degraded my country very much.
05:35:12.160
And there's a very good argument to make on that.
05:35:14.220
I'm still slightly bemused about this move from I'm an expert on this and I have views to I'm a comedian.
05:35:21.340
I've never claimed to be an expert on anything.
05:35:27.120
Wait, you have to claim to be an expert on something to have an opinion on something?
05:35:40.380
I don't think I'd mind if it meant the boys would be kept in check.
05:35:57.680
Because it would absolutely keep Israel in check.
05:36:00.120
But there would be other geopolitical ramifications that we might not see in our purview.
05:36:10.700
I mean, they've absolutely been working on nukes this whole time.
05:36:16.920
Like, it's been reported, man, that, like, they could make a nuclear bomb, a crude one, a shitty one, in a couple of weeks.
05:36:30.400
And I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't already have one.
05:36:33.140
Um, but obviously it would be classified at the highest levels because that would literally put their national security at enormous risk if they had, like, it were to get out if they actually did have nuclear weapons.
05:36:45.880
I'm not a historian, but I'm pumping out history.
05:36:48.020
I'm not an expert, but I'm talking all the time about this thing.
05:36:50.100
But you're not even talking about specifically on what he just said.
05:37:02.500
The expert class are the ones responsible for lying, dude!
05:37:32.500
People that run their own podcasts, like Joe Rogan, who used to be a Fear Factor fucking commentator in the early 2000s, for those that don't know, a stand-up comedian slash Fear Factor host, now has the biggest podcast on earth.
05:37:56.940
They lost credibility to the point where we now prefer to listen to a Fear Factor host give opinions and takes on events.
05:38:24.240
During all of COVID, I will put my track record against any of the expert class on COVID.
05:38:31.420
Should I have shut up by opposing lockdowns and opposing vaccine mandates?
05:38:45.160
I think we should agree, perhaps, on the following.
05:38:47.820
You're saying expert opinion matters the most, and they should be the ones being platformed.
05:38:53.480
Dr. Fauci is responsible for people dying and a bunch of mask mandates and social distancing guidelines
05:39:00.980
that literally killed people, put them in peril with their business, made them literally
05:39:07.460
destroy their livelihoods because of some type of virus that was super dangerous,
05:39:12.540
but now, a couple of years later, we know was a farce and nothing more than the flu.
05:39:17.360
It was dangerous to a small demographic of people, fat people and old people, and we
05:39:24.360
But, if you talked about this in 2020, I remember vividly, because I had to use stupid terms
05:39:30.360
like the beer bug, etc., if you're critical of COVID, if you're critical of the vaccine,
05:39:34.900
if you're critical of mask mandates, if you're critical of social distancing, you would
05:39:40.560
be fucking banned on social media platforms if you talked about this shit.
05:39:46.180
My good friend Sneeko, as you guys know, he got banned off of YouTubes for violating two
05:39:54.580
They are voter fraud for the 2020 election and COVID misinformation.
05:40:01.140
Those two things are no longer community guideline strikes.
05:40:06.140
So, one of my buddies dealt with real consequences for reporting on shit that experts talked about,
05:40:15.840
There's a reason why Joe Biden had to fucking pardon Fauci on his way out with a preemptive
05:40:25.000
So, these experts that Murray is talking about, not only usher in regimes that are destructive
05:40:31.400
to everyone else, they also destroy dissenting voices.
05:40:40.020
But now, five years later, we could talk shit about the vaccine all day.
05:40:44.720
We could say that the election was rigged all day.
05:40:49.260
But back then, it was a serious fucking problem.
05:40:53.240
The very fucking experts that you are relying on, Murray, you fucking retard.
05:40:58.500
And you don't understand, this is why no one trusts the fucking mainstream media.
05:41:04.880
No one fucking trusts the goddamn people that want to sit there and say,
05:41:11.300
We'd rather listen to a fucking fear factor host than listen to a doctor.
05:41:18.540
Public opinion of experts and the establishment is at an all-time fucking low.
05:41:25.720
They would rather listen to a fucking weirdo with a tinfoil hat under a bridge saying,
05:41:31.500
the aliens are coming and the Illuminati over a fucking refined expert, you dumbass.
05:41:45.500
But one major thing can break down in front of your eyes, or many major things.
05:41:50.480
And it does not mean that every single one of the sewer gates should be lifted.
05:41:58.240
I'm saying this is a chatter on what is part of our side at the moment,
05:42:01.680
is that a lot of the sewer gates are being lifted,
05:42:04.660
sometimes by people who know that they're doing it,
05:42:22.680
But at the very least, there's some damn hygiene that should be required, isn't there?
05:42:28.100
Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but sure.
05:42:37.060
And when you say our own side, you mean the right wing, broadly speaking.
05:42:39.240
Broadly speaking, and I'm sort of funny about libertarians.
05:42:42.420
I always say, I think libertarians are essentially the bisexuals of politics.
05:42:53.240
That's a weird way to put it, but I get your point.
05:42:59.760
But if your argument is that, like, you're saying, I claim to be an expert,
05:43:02.620
but then I have, like, a parachute to get out of it by being like,
05:43:04.500
hey, I'm just a comedian who's just saying this.
05:43:05.960
But I don't think I've ever, like, really claimed to be an expert.
05:43:19.420
I'm not an expert on a conflict and talking about it everywhere.
05:43:26.580
I love how he's, like, blaming the fact that, like,
05:43:32.280
he doesn't understand that the reason why people care more about
05:43:36.560
Dave Smith's opinion than experts is because no one trusts experts anymore.
05:43:39.900
He's basically blaming guys like Joe Rogan and Dave Smith
05:43:42.600
for building an audience off of their opinions.
05:43:45.340
But it's the experts' fault that they were able to build an audience
05:43:50.400
off their opinions because no one trusts experts anymore.
05:43:53.160
He's missing this super fucking big elephant in the room
05:43:57.080
that it's the experts' fault that guys that have an opinion
05:44:02.940
that are not experts are getting the public ear now.
05:44:07.200
And this is what I was explaining earlier in my monologue.
05:44:12.860
The mainstream media and these gatekeepers have no one to blame but themselves.
05:44:24.340
But you're talking about something that you're not an expert on.
05:44:26.500
What should you do if those subjects get breached?
05:44:28.240
Well, I think that you educate yourself as much as you can.
05:44:30.120
Should you say I'm not an expert and then give your opinion
05:44:33.280
I think it's, as I say, I think that it's a weird move to say
05:44:35.440
I'm not an expert on this, but I'm going to talk about it nonstop.
05:44:39.140
Listen, I will certainly concede that I am weird.
05:44:42.120
It's weird that I'm as obsessed with all this stuff as I am.
05:44:45.560
I do, I tell jokes at nightclubs and then get obsessed with politics
05:44:53.020
Iran has nukes, but why do you think it's not made fully public?
05:44:58.440
Slat, hey, Myron, I know someone said Dave lost a debate,
05:45:02.100
but I just took a look at the YouTube comments.
05:45:08.240
he didn't debunk all the Zionist talking points, right?
05:45:16.000
and he doesn't think that Dave did a fair debunking
05:45:30.040
You know, I'm pretty sure your last name is probably Atta, too.
05:45:41.540
But I just, like, fundamentally disagree with this idea,
05:45:43.960
which I really do think is quite anti-democratic.
05:45:54.420
We got 3,000 plus of you guys watching live on YouTube.
05:45:56.320
We got another 17 of you guys watching on Rumble.
05:45:58.840
So we got, what, almost 5,000 of y'all in here.
05:46:05.360
So you guys can be anywhere else in the world, but you're here with me, man.
05:46:13.600
In spirit and quite, you know, elitist, that there's an expert class.
05:46:20.060
It's weird for any regular person who's just read about it.
05:46:25.760
I said a long time ago that I believe much of the expert class let itself and us all down
05:46:30.820
And I think that happened in foreign policy in areas.
05:46:37.080
But that does not mean that it's just a free-for-all.
05:46:41.080
There are some things we can still verify to be true and can still agree on as baseline levels
05:46:47.200
And yes, everyone is free to air their views, but it does not mean that everyone who sounds
05:46:53.180
off on an issue, whether it's World War II, the war in the Middle East, the war in Ukraine,
05:47:01.660
I mean, that to me is just batting down a straw, man.
05:47:03.640
I mean, I certainly wouldn't argue that everyone has an equally valid point of view.
05:47:06.560
And I certainly wouldn't argue that there shouldn't be some standards of who you would
05:47:10.340
want to find interesting and talk to and who you wouldn't.
05:47:12.480
But also, it's like, so let's have the conversation that, like, I don't know, like, if there's,
05:47:16.280
if there is, if there are experts out there who can smack all of this stuff down or just
05:47:21.640
destroy every point that I make over the years or whatever, like, okay, so then do it.
05:47:26.520
Well, that's a bit weird, because also then it's like the debate me, bro thing.
05:47:30.580
But you just could have said that we're not debating.
05:47:35.580
I think what I'm trying to get at, Joe, is that it's a bit like the Twitter algorithm
05:47:38.300
thing, which is, yes, everyone is and should be free to say what they like on Twitter,
05:47:43.940
apart from whatever, I mean, the very fringe things of, like, immediate incitement to violence
05:47:49.140
But we all know that one of the oddities of Twitter, including since Elon took over, is that
05:47:54.020
what you hope is a restored marketplace of ideas ends up pushing you really crazy shit.
05:47:59.680
And that is what I'm suggesting is happening on a podcast level and maybe on a wider level
05:48:07.820
I do not want a guy with one half thousand followers who's got some zany new view on something
05:48:12.100
who isn't an expert, but is an expert, to be pushed at me.
05:48:15.640
And effectively, what is happening with the Twitter algorithm is happening everywhere else
05:48:19.640
And we're all for the open marketplace of ideas.
05:48:24.020
But it is different once you get into the thing of, is something manipulating the algorithm
05:48:35.680
And I think that the answer, to a great degree, is the same thing in your world as it is in
05:48:40.280
the Twitter world, which is, if you go straight online and you say, you know, JFK file drops,
05:48:47.300
watch live stream of Kennedy historians reading the papers live, you're not going to get any
05:48:54.500
That's what kind of what's needed is for the people who know the documents to go through
05:48:57.940
But you and I know that if, as there was some guy who did immediately, you do something
05:49:01.740
like a live stream, Moss and involvement in JFK, you're going to milk it.
05:49:09.500
I'm saying that there's a similar algorithm in all of our lives that we're not as aware
05:49:13.020
of as we should be, which is that we, because we all know this at some level, that there
05:49:17.260
are certain things that get your, a bit of your base going or get people going interesting
05:49:24.100
And then they start debating it and all that sort of thing.
05:49:26.000
And that algorithm of online seems to me to be spilling into the real world.
05:49:29.080
I don't disagree that there's certainly more sensationalist stuff will get you more clicks.
05:49:34.780
I also don't think that's a, it's not really unique to social media or podcasting.
05:49:43.360
So it's kind of one of the problems of humanity.
05:49:44.940
Yeah, I don't think anybody's arguing against that.
05:49:46.420
You know, it's certainly never my intention when I talk to someone to try to get more views.
05:49:50.780
It sounds crazy, but I'm only talking to people that I'm interested in talking to.
05:49:53.640
And in Daryl's case, it's because I've been a listener of his podcast for years.
05:50:05.700
I'm genuinely interested in your views as well.
05:50:09.760
That's, I mean, this is the marketplace of ideas in real time.
05:50:15.680
Although, as I say, I think you've massively underrepresented the pro-Ukraine argument and
05:50:28.600
You're totally allowed to have that observation.
05:50:30.680
What is the, what's the pro-Ukraine argument that you think is not being represented enough?
05:50:35.700
Well, my broad view is that, again, something to do with the algorithm, that anything that
05:50:42.040
is, uh, conspiratorial about Zelensky or the Ukrainians in the conflict does very well.
05:50:49.500
Anything that says, actually, the Ukrainian army is fighting to try to retain as much of
05:50:57.360
I think that everything that is pushing the idea that, for instance, the Americans caused
05:51:05.900
I think everything that says, actually, in February 2022, Vladimir Putin's tanks invaded
05:51:11.300
Ukraine and they shouldn't have done, doesn't do as well.
05:51:13.820
I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that what Vladimir Putin did wasn't horrific.
05:51:20.400
The point is that after that, there's a whole set of things.
05:51:23.420
Let's look at, for instance, the issue of corruption.
05:51:26.240
Ukraine is a pretty corrupt country by EU standards, by the, uh, by World Bank standards.
05:51:32.040
Um, and it's been a problem as it is in that neck of the woods.
05:51:35.880
And it's understandable that if the US is one of the countries putting money and arms into
05:51:40.320
Ukraine, then it's going to be a subject of legitimate interest to the American people
05:51:46.300
Nevertheless, you end up in this, and I know this because the same, it's the same thing in
05:51:50.440
You end up on like the new bit of the story and there's always a risk that you will lose
05:51:57.160
For instance, I mean, Putin's corruption is legendary, gargantuan.
05:52:02.700
Bro, we don't give a fuck about this shit, but let's see what he's got to say.
05:52:05.740
Cause you know, this is Western propaganda against Putin as usual.
05:52:08.760
Um, Zed one says, could we please discuss how the, um, Ashkenazi boys are not the actual
05:52:18.820
people of Judah, a migration of Russian boys in the 1800s that have co-opted the name of
05:52:23.240
the Judah, the people of outside Africa are closer to descendants of David than today's
05:52:28.040
I mean, Ashkenazi literally means like Eastern European.
05:52:34.780
They're not Semitic at all, contrary to popular belief.
05:52:39.860
And I think that's to a greater extent the case with the Israel Hamas war as well.
05:52:48.700
Number one, I'm not denying, I don't know how the algorithm works or what it's pushing.
05:52:52.940
And it's an interesting thing that we probably should all know more about, but I think there's
05:52:56.340
a danger when you're to just classify everything as, well, the algorithm pushes this and doesn't
05:53:00.540
It's like, it could also be that some ideas are just resonating more and some ideas are
05:53:04.140
And there's probably, probably both of those things are at work in that dynamic.
05:53:06.500
But I also think that something like the reason why say talking about Ukrainian corruption
05:53:10.960
is more interesting in a lot of ways than talking about Russian corruption is obviously
05:53:15.520
because like, well, one of these countries is an enemy and the other one is one that we're
05:53:20.380
So yes, well, debating on between Zelensky and the weapons company is, I don't know, he says he
05:53:25.100
only got $70 billion of it, but we've spent closer to 170, so whatever.
05:53:28.900
But the point is that obviously, if there is a country that we are propping up, funding,
05:53:33.980
arming, and they're corrupt, I would say my starting point would always be to be more
05:53:38.640
concerned with that corruption than an enemy country, which it's almost kind of a given
05:53:43.640
But I don't know, I'm sure there are fringes of the right who might say like Vladimir Putin
05:53:48.560
But that is, I really do not think that is the argument that most people who are critical
05:53:54.540
I mean, I think one of the interesting things that happens in this is the old cliche of losing
05:54:01.740
And it's the nature of the old news cycle, let alone the current one, the social media
05:54:07.180
Actually, I remember that, so I don't want to go back to World War II, but let me just
05:54:10.740
very quickly, I remember this debate with Pat Buchanan when he was debating much more learned
05:54:14.120
historians on the subject of the origins of World War II.
05:54:16.340
And the whole thing got lost in all of this sort of mad puzzle of views about iron ore
05:54:20.580
production in the Bavarian forest and this sort of thing.
05:54:23.420
And I remember everyone was all over the place and the moderator turned to the historian Andrew
05:54:26.720
Roberts and said, Andrew Roberts, why did World War II begin?
05:54:29.460
And he said, World War II began because Hitler invaded Poland.
05:54:33.380
And those moments come along quite often at the moment, which is, yes, there's an awful lot
05:54:41.180
There's a lot of very interesting things going on, which we should all be able to talk about
05:54:43.860
and do talk about, but sometimes you have to remember the origin causes of things as
05:54:51.900
Yeah, well, I think that a lot of people are pretty bad at the moment of keeping that
05:54:55.820
Like you can concede Ukrainian corruption, you can concede all sorts of things and still
05:55:02.220
not lose sight of the thing of if Russia rolls tanks into neighboring countries, it can't
05:55:08.460
Well, listen, OK, so on that, I think we have an area of agreement.
05:55:11.560
And I do think like even while I much prefer the path that Donald Trump is pursuing to
05:55:16.820
the path that Joe Biden pursued when it comes to the war in Ukraine.
05:55:19.800
And of course, this is, you know, OK, so here's the thing with these guys that are pro-Ukraine,
05:55:25.680
Like, if China decided to set up missiles in Mexico City, we would invade and say, we
05:55:36.100
got to protect our national security and our sovereignty, right?
05:55:44.080
We invaded fucking Iraq under this weapons of mass destruction.
05:55:49.140
So if the United States can invade a sovereign nation over a lie, why can't Russia invade
05:55:57.380
a sovereign nation to protect its national security?
05:56:00.920
Because Ukraine was basically going to be expanded through NATO.
05:56:07.020
Basically, NATO was going to be expanded through Ukraine.
05:56:28.780
So, again, oh, well, there's a problem once tanks start rolling in.
05:56:34.220
So can Russia not protect its sovereignty and its national security?
05:56:42.420
I would argue that Russia actually has a far better argument to invading Ukraine than we
05:56:56.200
I mean, look, if we're really going to sit here and have this fucking discussion, right?
05:57:07.260
England, the United States, Canada, and other Western countries invaded Iraq for a lie propped
05:57:14.700
up by Netanyahu, Israeli intelligence, that there were weapons of mass destruction and
05:57:20.440
that Saddam Hussein, his generals, had met with members of Mohammed Atta's crew to pass
05:57:28.640
That's basically, in a gist, the justification we utilized to invade Iraq.
05:57:34.660
Weapons of mass destruction, anthrax connection.
05:57:39.880
And that's how they, the anthrax is how they connected 9-11.
05:57:43.040
Not to mention the fact that a month after 9-11, it said death to America and death to
05:57:50.280
I mean, you know, we do know that Israeli intelligence happens to do a lot of false
05:58:02.040
They tried under the Bush administration using a rebel group to start a fight in Iran, and
05:58:15.860
So Israel is literally the king of false flags and clandestine activity that subverts their
05:58:25.680
So we invade a sovereign nation over faulty intelligence from our greatest ally.
05:58:37.520
We destroy a country, destabilize it, create multiple terrorist organizations like ISIS,
05:58:43.100
et cetera, thanks to the destabilization of Iraq.
05:58:45.400
And then we want to wag the finger at Russia and be like, you can't invade Ukraine.
05:58:57.740
Despite the fact that we have biological weapons there, we're trying to expand NATO and we're
05:59:02.620
You can't invade Ukraine, but we can invade Iraq off of bad information.
05:59:11.080
I haven't even went into Afghanistan and all the other Middle Eastern countries that we
05:59:14.100
occupy for this war on terror that came from Israeli intelligence.
05:59:20.860
Just so you know, that was our motto from back in the day.
05:59:24.280
So this talking point that people give about you're invading a sovereign country, this is
05:59:34.740
And so did your shitty ass country of the United Kingdom as well, Mr. Murray.
05:59:37.640
It's a big reason why your boy Tony Blair can't even walk the streets anymore.
05:59:43.300
So don't fucking talk about rolling in tanks and being a dictator and all this other bullshit
05:59:59.580
Russia had more of a justification to invade Ukraine than we had to invade Iraq.
06:00:21.000
Donald Trump's thing is once you piss him off, he's going to call you every bad nickname
06:00:28.940
I believe he said that Zelensky started the war.
06:00:32.360
Which is like, okay, all right, that's a little bit.
06:00:34.200
He said Zelensky started the war and Zelensky was the dictator.
06:00:52.340
Donald Trump, it's like, if he feels that you disrespected him or came at him, he's going
06:00:57.780
By the way, this happened two weeks before the disastrous Oval Office meeting.
06:01:01.900
And I wrote the next day the cover in the New York Post, which was a big picture of Vladimir
06:01:08.140
Just, again, as I say, not to lose track in all of the melee, not to lose track of the
06:01:16.160
As somebody who is, I'm very anti-war, broadly speaking, and I do agree with you that it
06:01:22.300
should, like, we should be able to have conversations about all the things that led up to the war
06:01:26.320
and all the different, you know, like, blunders that were made, and also still recognize that
06:01:29.940
Vladimir Putin invaded a country and is responsible for, you know, at least hundreds of thousands
06:01:35.160
And, you know, my, Scott Horton, who I always try to promote on here, he just wrote this
06:01:39.460
I think it's the best book that's been written on the...
06:01:49.560
Which I'll probably take a look and listen to it on Audible.
06:01:53.140
Speaking of which, by the way, guys, we are 20 subscribers away from hitting 218,000 subscribers,
06:01:58.820
So if you're not subscribed to the channel, consider subscribing.
06:02:11.680
Well, 20 subscribers away from 218,000 and 100 likes away from 2,900 likes, man.
06:02:19.480
Let's get those likes up, get the engagement up, and keep cooking, man.
06:02:27.840
And thank you guys for watching the stream, man.
06:02:29.340
Whether you're watching on Rumble, YouTube, X, I love all you niggas.
06:02:33.960
It basically takes you from the collapse of the Soviet Union up to the war in Ukraine.
06:02:43.440
And even in that book, the book is called Provoked.
06:02:44.980
And the argument is that Western policy was very provocative toward Vladimir Putin, and
06:02:49.440
there were a lot of off-ramps that could have been explored and should have been explored.
06:02:53.040
But he has an entire chapter in the book where he is saying, like, look, Putin had a lot of
06:02:58.840
It's not as if any of that justifies his invasion.
06:03:01.380
And so I do agree with you that whenever we're talking about a war, particularly a war of
06:03:05.120
aggression, that should always be in the front of people's minds.
06:03:10.800
I think I'm consistent on this across the board.
06:03:12.260
You can criticize lots of things about the insurgency in Iraq, certainly.
06:03:17.680
But you should remember that George W. Bush invaded the country when he shouldn't have,
06:03:23.720
I'll say it when the Russian government does it also.
06:03:25.440
That being said, there's a very strong argument that there were many policies that the U.S.,
06:03:30.920
you know, NATO and Europe as well, but mostly the U.S., pursued that were just...
06:03:36.100
Punisher says, would you go on Lex Friedman pod if he had you on?
06:03:45.540
Guys, I know y'all want to see me on some of these big platforms.
06:03:49.400
Lex Friedman, Chris Williamson, Joe Rogan, etc.
06:03:52.200
I don't think these guys will ever have me on, bro.
06:04:01.940
Like, I don't have hate or anything like that towards any of them.
06:04:06.860
Lex Friedman, I made fun of him one time saying that he puts me to sleep and he blocked me on Twitter.
06:04:19.300
But that shit works when you want to go to sleep, bro.
06:04:21.500
Put on that Lex Friedman pod and you will fall asleep, man.
06:04:25.940
Bro has the most monotone, baselined, zero charisma, zero cadence voice ever.
06:04:43.180
So if I want to go to sleep, pop a little bit of Z-Quo, fucking turn on a Lex Friedman podcast.
06:05:04.460
And I promise you, you're going to fucking wake up the next day with crust in your eyes.
06:05:20.520
But, like, again, I get, guys, the thing is, right, is I'm too edgy for a lot of people.
06:05:29.340
Like, I've, like, I got to take 100% accountability here.
06:05:38.520
I literally, right there, you know, I make jokes.
06:05:57.980
A lot of you guys make fun of me and say, Byron, comedy is, like, dated, bro.
06:06:06.740
I didn't realize that there were fashionable things to laugh at in 2025 versus 2005.
06:06:17.000
The point is, is that I come from an era where we push the boundaries.
06:06:22.360
We use words like maggot, you guys know what I'm saying, and retarded.
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If you don't like my sense of humor, totally cool.
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But I also have the wherewithal and the awareness to understand that my form of comedy and the way I deliver my content might be problematic, explicit, and or too controversial for some of these mainstream platforms.
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And for me to show you guys my authenticity, I oftentimes have to push the envelope with the way I deliver my information.
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For me to continuously show you guys that I am authentic, I am transparent, and I push the envelope in ways that might be considered uncouth to other podcasts or content creators who might be considering collabing with me.
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You guys know I've been very transparent and honest with y'all about a bunch of shit.
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Almost, like, if you wanted to come to this inevitable conflict, this would have been the policy to pursue to give you the best chance to end up there.
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One of the, you know, I was with a British military friend recently, and somebody asked, what does the fog of war mean?
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Maybe one day we'll get so big that they'll have to invite us on chat.
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Maybe one day we'll get so big that they'll literally have to do it.
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So, 9 subscribers away from hitting 218,000, and we are 150 away from hitting 3,000 likes.
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He gave a brilliant example of what it means on the battlefield, which a lot of people don't understand.
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There's a version of the fog of war in history as well.
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The great Czech writer Milan Kundera had this beautiful phrase in a book of his from the 90s called Testaments Betrayed, where he said, the odd thing about mankind is, he said, we walk through life in a fog, and we stumble along a path, and we create the path as we stumble along it.
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We do this, you know, shout-out to the Castle Club, right?
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You guys are able to allow us to continue to do what we're doing.
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Shout-out to the Castle Club Premium guys as well, man.
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I know we had the Zoom call going, but we're cooking tonight.
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So, y'all are going to get that Zoom call, and I'm going to definitely go on a bit longer than before.
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The interesting thing is that when we look back, we see the man, and we see the path, but we don't see the fog.
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Everything looks inevitable when you're standing in the present.
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Everything looks like it was going to happen this way, and you have these endless, often fascinating, often futile, explorations of what might have been.
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And the fog of Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union was pretty considerable.
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The efforts in the 1990s to bring them into a more obvious part of the international order failed.
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And my own view has always been that, in part, we missed an opportunity to pay a kind of civilizational respect to the Russians, which they deserved.
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But also, throughout the period that people now say there are all of these off-ramps, and now so many people claim that NATO went around the region desperately trying to provoke the Russians into some kind of war or inevitably leading them that way because of NATO expansionism.
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They never take into account what was, in my memory and experience, very clear, which was NATO didn't go around recruiting.
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Countries came to NATO wanting to join, precisely because—
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Yeah, because there's a defunct fucking alliance now, and it's a way for us to basically sell weapons and continue the military-industrial complex.
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NATO is a bullshit alliance against Russia that needs to keep Russia in a perpetual enemy state so that we can continue to sell our weapons, because that's the only thing we make now, by the way.
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It's literally the only thing we make, our weapons, and that's for a bunch of national security reasons.
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That's our way of selling our weapons to these other foreign powers.
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Okay, and that's why it continues, to continue to prop up the military-industrial complex.
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Because they feared the aggression that Ukrainians have suffered since February 2022, and indeed before.
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I was in Georgia just after the 2008 war began.
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Always has to be confirmed, otherwise people are like, what?
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Someone in the chat, one of you guys might be able to tell me what we started at in January.
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I think we're like at 187,000 or some shit like that before.
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Um, 180, yeah, like 180-something thousand in early January.
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Shout out to my guy, Brett, who does the clips.
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Shout out to TPC Films for helping me make the fucking production more crispy with these nice camera angles streaming in fucking 4K.
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I don't even know where I'm looking sometimes, right?
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Um, and shout out to you guys for supporting on Castle Club, man.
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If you guys are members of Castle Club, bro, that's how we are able to keep things going.
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Um, fresh out of town, so we have been on it, but don't worry.
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We're gonna give you guys a nice long one, right?
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If we miss one week, we'll make sure to go longer the other week and shit like that.
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Um, I'm trying to keep as much of the content, you know, not inside, not behind the paywall for you guys.
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And obviously the Castle Club guys are helping us with that, right?
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So we can continue to grow the base and cook and debunk this bullshit.
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So I, I, uh, I'm very, um, I am very appreciative of you, of you ninjas.
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There's not a day that goes by, but I don't appreciate you motherfuckers.
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You know, we got some trolls in the chat, uh, but it's all good.
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You guys are still here, which means you like something.
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I've never understood watching someone you hate, so I think you guys probably love me on the low.
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Uh, but I was in the country of Georgia and, um, uh, Putin had tried to invade them and had seized South, uh, Setia and Abkhazia.
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And we are growing like that, guys, while being demonetized on YouTube.
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I think we're also shadow banned, but we're fucking definitely demonetized.
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So YouTube doesn't really have an incentive to push this channel like that.
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So if we ever do get our monetization back, we're going to absolutely take over.
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In fact, they were desperate to join the European Union.
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I rather frivolously said to a Georgian friend, if you want, we can swap.
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But, um, in the NATO thing, they were desperate for it.
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And they were desperate for it precisely for the reason that many of the Ukrainians were desperate for it, which was only way to stop Putin expansionism.
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So, you know, in the whole fog of the post-Soviet era, that is one of the many things that gets left out of the conversation.
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And by the way, Putin's actions in February 2022 and since, uh, all he's done is provoke two new countries to join NATO and his borders with NATO have grown.
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And the only reason Finland and Sweden wanted to join was because they, too...
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They called him, like, White Death or some shit like that.
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Plot along in the heavy snow with light brown uniforms, standing out like hay bale practice targets against the pristine white snow.
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Despite this being the height of winter, nobody bothered to issue the Russian occupiers winter uniforms.
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He doesn't use a modern telescopic sight to the way many of his fellow scouts do.
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Sure, the fancy glass is nice for really long-range shit.
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It's a heck of a thing to get the Swedish to join a military alliance.
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And these countries joined because, like Georgia, like Ukraine,
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First off, the war in Georgia in 2008 actually came, was it two or three months after the
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Bucharest summit where NATO announced that Georgia and Ukraine would be entering NATO?
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So just making that point that the NATO aspirations came first.
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I don't think anybody is ever implying that, like, we've expanded NATO through force and
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that the countries who were joining, or at least the governments of the countries who were
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Although, in the case of Ukraine, there's a great piece in the Washington Post about
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this in 2006 where joining NATO was actually very unpopular.
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And there was a lot done, and largely because they just didn't want to take on the headache
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But, you know, the question, I think, isn't necessarily, like, do these countries wish to
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Of course, I think most countries in the world would like to join NATO.
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I think most countries in the world would like the most powerful government in the history
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of the world to guarantee their defense and subsidize their defense.
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The question is, is that in America's interest?
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Oh, and we're going to talk about this, too, bro.
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I mean, look, there was, as you know well, in the 90s, in the late 90s, during the first
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round of NATO expansion, there was a lively debate amongst this.
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And I don't mean a debate amongst outsiders or non-expert experts or whatever.
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I mean, within the real deal experts, the wisest gray beers in the national security apparatus,
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there was a real debate with at least three secretaries of defense who warned against
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Robert Gates, Robert McNamara, William Perry, the secretary of defense at the time, almost
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resigned, said his biggest regret in life is that he didn't resign over it.
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George Kennan was able to see right through that fog.
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He literally said, the Cold Warrior, founder of the containment strategy, saw right through
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that fog and goes, this will inevitably lead to a conflict with Russia.
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And his exact words were, and then when there's a Russian response, everybody will say,
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But the point here is, okay, even within that deep debate, which there were lively debates
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about, even the people who were on the pro-expansionist side of things, like Henry Kissinger, even
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he said, Henry Kissinger, Ukraine would have to be a special arrangement.
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Ukraine will not come into NATO because obviously that's leading to a war with Russia.
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And I think this is a fair thing that we should do in all conflicts is, like, to, as Mearsheimer
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puts it, to have strategic empathy, to say, like, hey, listen, let's reasonably place
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ourselves in the other person's shoes and say, how would we react if somebody was expanding
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their military alliance that is explicitly anti-us and is bringing it up?
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I don't know how to get in contact with him, though.
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So this is who he's talking about, this dude right here.
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And the reason why I like this guy, he was talking about the Israeli lobby, like, in
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He's a political scientist, international relations scholar.
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He is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor at the University of Chicago.
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So I got to find a way to get a hold of this guy.
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I know he's been on Pierce Morgan a few times, et cetera.
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But he does a great job of kind of summarizing the conflict with Russia.
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Up to our borders and now is openly for years and years and years saying that we are going
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to bring your largest neighbor, where you have very important strategic interests from
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And you are saying over and over again, this is our brightest red line.
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And then they keep flirting with doing this over and over.
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Then they back a street push that overthrows the government there.
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Don't you think maybe that would be a provocation?
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If you want that strategic empathy that Mearsheimer, I'm not an admirer of, but if you want to
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do that, you can do it the other way around as well, surely.
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Yeah, but I would never, Douglas, but my response to you was never, I can't understand why the
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Latvians or the Lithuanians would want to be in NATO.
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And I can understand why Russia thought that Ukrainian membership in NATO was a red line.
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He, and I think that, and I think there's an oddity, if I can say so.
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Maybe this particular comes across on the Levitarian.
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Right, but the, I think there's an oddity of the, uh...
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Let's record showing him a happily married heterosexual man.
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Um, I think there's an oddity that sometimes particularly happens on the Libertarian side,
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which is a, which is a presumption that things only really happen in the world because we
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And, you know, Russia invades Ukraine because of American policy in Eastern Europe post-1989,
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Uh, something happens in the Middle East because of American policy.
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And I think it's a very blinkered and parochial view of things because my experience in countries
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around the world is that there's a heck of a lot going on that America is frankly not
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Well, that's, that's certainly a straw man of my position.
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But what I'm saying is, it is very, in fact, it's partly, since you very kindly raised the
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It's, it's one of the things I find very interesting about this with democracies, which is it
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Like, if you're going to sit there and say, oh, um, making the argument for Russia to,
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um, protect its sovereignty, like, if you're going to make that argument, then, uh, or say
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that that's not a real argument to make, then give us the counter.
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Instead, he goes on this other random fucking tangent.
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...of a liberal democracy that because we have the right to air our opinion, because we have
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the right to criticize our government, and much more, we end up doing all of that, and
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...can come to, which is effectively, we are the only force that causes action in the world.
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And there's a reason for that, which is that we have, thank God, a say in how liberal democracies
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are run and how we're governed, and we can chew over all of the disagreements that we
06:22:00.300
All right, since he's not going to say it, here's the facts, guys, okay?
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Okay, Zelensky is a puppet, everyone knows this, who's put in power because the United
06:22:08.820
States and intelligence agencies basically ran a coup, a color revolution, to destabilize
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the Ukrainian government prior to Zelensky that was pro-Russia.
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So, Zelensky being in office in itself is a national security threat to Putin, because
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Zelensky was put there by Western intelligence agencies, okay?
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So, when people say this stupid shit, I'm like, bro, what the fuck, man?
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There's a really good video on this I'm about to put y'all niggas on right now, all right?
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Now, some of you guys might say, oh, Coach Ratbill, he's not credible.
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He was in Ukraine when the conflict actually started.
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He's not polluted by Western propaganda media that demonizes Putin every chance it fucking
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He explains very nice and succinctly how we got to this conflict, okay?
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2014, there was a color revolution that kicked out the regime that was in place that was pro-Russia.
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So, anyone with common sense would understand from a strategic standpoint that having a leader
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on your border that is a representative of your enemies is a serious national security risk.
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I don't know how these pro-Ukraine people still fucking talk about this shit.
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The reason why we support Zelensky so much and the reason why we give them so much money
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and why we've been dumping money into this war despite the fact that we're losing proves
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Why the fuck do you guys think we're still spending so much money on a war that we lost?
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It's because we got skin in the game, serious skin in the game.
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We were involved in destabilizing the government that was pro-Russia.
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So, clearly, Putin is going to have an axe to grind and get that motherfucker out of there
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because him existing as the president of Ukraine is a direct security risk for Russia.
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And it fucking annoys me that I have to explain this to stupid pro-Ukrainian people
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that think we should still pay money to Ukraine.
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Biden, when he was vice president of the United States under the Obama administration,
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was basically a State Department accessory to Ukraine.
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Now, thanks to Hunter Biden's laptop, we know why.
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Long story short, they were doing a bunch of illegal shit over there.
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Money laundering, fraud, Burisma, all kinds of shit.
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Zelensky would take taxpayer funds that were made to basically build the roads
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He's very rich, extremely wealthy, has a mansion right here in fucking Miami.
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How the fuck is a foreign president a dual citizen?
06:26:25.260
If that does not scream, puppet government, puppet government, puppet government,
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Because if China overthrew Mexico and destabilize their government and put some Chinese nigga
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as the president of Mexico that has issues with us, we would fucking have a serious issue
06:26:54.880
Anyway, this video right here, if you guys are interested, details what led up to the conflict.
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I'll drop the link here in the description for you guys.
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And we've talked about Russia-Ukraine pretty deeply.
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And the reason why I value his opinion over many others is because he's an American.
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It's a fucking tragedy that he was killed for his views.
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Because make no mistake about it, the Ukrainian government killed this man because he was telling
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If he was saying, oh, yeah, Ukraine's winning, all this other shit, he would still be alive.
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But the fact that he told the truth is what got him killed.
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Like the video, we got 2,700, but we got over 100% fucking engagement.
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It comes against the kind of rock, like a death cult, a totalitarian regime, a dictatorship,
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like Russia, or the Iranian revolutionary government.
06:28:43.480
There's always this temptation to say, to focus our attention on our own side, because
06:28:50.840
It's a version of, you know, the great, uh, late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan said when
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he was ambassador to the UN, he had this great rule, uh, sort of known among those who know
06:28:59.000
about it as Moynihan's rule, which is, he said, if you sit at the UN or the UN Human Rights
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Council, or any of these bodies, you would come away with the belief that the most abused
06:29:07.400
people with the fewest rights in the world live in America and other Western liberal societies.
06:29:12.340
And he came, because we're the ones that talk about it.
06:29:16.140
You know, if there's one incident of racism in America, the whole world knows about it.
06:29:21.700
If there's one incident of racism in North Korea, it's not going to make any news.
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And then you have on top of that, the fact that, uh, the, the, the, the way in which
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despotisms and death cults and dictatorships work, the information just doesn't come out.
06:29:34.120
And Moynihan's rule ended up being that the, uh, it's an interesting point.
06:29:38.200
He said, he said, uh, that his rule by the end of his time, the UN was that the number
06:29:42.040
of human rights violations that occur in a country happen in exactly inverse proportion
06:29:46.420
to the numbers of claims of human rights violations, because only, only the countries
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which care about it and which such things can be aired in are ever going to get it out.
06:29:54.760
But the, the, the point of Moynihan's law and the warning of it is be careful not to come
06:29:59.600
away with the mistaken idea that the freest and most liberal societies are the worst.
06:30:05.540
And I think there's a version of Moynihan's law that applies, whether it's from Elise to
06:30:09.460
Ukraine and Russia, which is we come away with this.
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People may come away with the impression that the bad things in the world effectively all
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And there is quite a lot to be said for some of that, but there's not everything to be
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said and much of the world runs on a dynamic and a dynamo, which you can't do a damn thing
06:30:30.900
So I, I mean, again, I certainly, there, there, there is truth to a lot of that.
06:30:35.360
And I think that is a fascinating kind of a dynamic where there is something about kind
06:30:38.540
of like, you know, I noticed this even, um, just with my own kids, like it's like, and
06:30:41.900
people, when you have kids and you raise them really well, you know, like you're really
06:30:44.440
sweet to them and you don't hate them and you give them a good life, small things end
06:30:49.660
Like someone pushed me at the playground and it's like, whoa, this is, whereas like the way I
06:30:52.860
grew up, that would have just been kind of like a non-event.
06:30:54.940
But anyway, I think it would be certainly incorrect to assume that, um, um, is it safe
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to travel to Russia as an American citizen or would you avoid it?
06:31:07.340
Like you got to kind of be in the know to go over there safely.
06:31:12.120
Like if you're not like someone who's like super, super pro Russia, I wouldn't do it,
06:31:17.240
Everything that happens bad in the world is somehow a consequence of U.S.
06:31:21.800
And then also you got to deal with being questioned like crazy when you come back.
06:31:24.940
That there's people on the other side here, maybe the people who are more, uh, neocon
06:31:30.940
Um, they have a tendency to only focus on the bad things that everybody else does and
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act like our, uh, policies have no impact on this.
06:31:38.640
So very specifically, you know, with the, uh, Russian invasion of Ukraine, and I'll just
06:31:42.300
get two like bullet points on this and there's, we could talk about a lot of this, but look,
06:31:45.540
number one in, in 2008, as, as you well know, right, the Joe Biden CIA director who was the
06:31:50.900
CIA director for the entire war up until Donald Trump just came back in, he wrote the net
06:31:55.060
means net memo to Condoleezza Rice, a private cable to the then secretary of state when he
06:31:59.260
was ambassador to Russia to let her know that this flirting with bringing Ukraine into NATO
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And by the way, the Russians don't want to do it.
06:32:08.860
If you keep pushing with this, the Russians are going to have, they are going to have to
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make a decision that they don't want to make, which is whether they intervene or not.
06:32:14.760
And number two, uh, Strautenberg, uh, if I might be butchering that again, but the head
06:32:19.300
of NATO, he himself said that Vladimir Putin sent him a draft treaty in late 2021 and said,
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look, if you just put into writing that you will not bring Ukraine into NATO, I won't invade.
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Now, if you want to argue, see, see what I'm saying?
06:32:40.020
That, um, this, this, I admire your appeal to authority to the head of the CIA.
06:32:48.680
You regard the view of the CIA director on that occasion as being useful for your argument.
06:32:52.660
But secondly, there's an oddity to believing what Vladimir Putin says.
06:32:59.940
No, wait, hold on, you didn't let me finish my point.
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I'm not going to pretend to read his heart and mind or something like that.
06:33:04.980
But at the very least, you handed him the giant excuse in order to do it.
06:33:08.520
I mean, maybe he doesn't really believe it, but this is his argument to his own people
06:33:11.540
and to the world that it's like, look, and we put him in a position, you know, if you
06:33:17.620
Well, we put him in this position where he gets to now very plausibly say to the international
06:33:21.120
community in the same way that if the Soviet Union had survived and the United States
06:33:24.980
had him, he doesn't very plausibly have the opportunity to do that.
06:33:28.100
He invaded Ukraine because he wanted to annex the whole country because he was trying to
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pretend that the whole place had been run by Nazis.
06:33:33.760
Well, I mean, okay, the whole place was run by Nazis.
06:33:39.820
Oh, he also brought up, listen, when he announced-
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You can lie an awful lot when you're a dictator and you have the ability not just to run all
06:33:44.480
of the media, but to kill your political opponents.
06:33:47.780
Um, none of, none of this, you know, I just got back from Ukraine again the other week
06:33:55.500
The bottom line is that there was advanced warning.
06:34:08.720
I saw the, the Oval Office meeting as it happened from a trench in the front line between the Russian
06:34:12.640
and Ukrainian positions in the east of the country.
06:34:14.220
And it was so weird seeing the way in which this country's territory was being talked about
06:34:20.280
by outsiders and particularly by America because there's, there's so many oddities about it,
06:34:29.980
So here's the thing, Sam Davis, man, you said dude brought up a good point.
06:34:33.440
The fact that Dave said of the CIA, no, it actually helps Dave's argument because the
06:34:39.080
So CIA wouldn't put out stuff to make Putin look good and make themselves look bad.
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People who are fighting there, the soldiers on the front lines, like the ones I was with,
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they're not fighting against Putin forces because of NATO expansion or anything.
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They're fighting because he lied to his own army, he lied to his own people, he lies to the world,
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and he decided he wanted to gobble up Ukraine because he wants to reconstitute the Soviet Union.
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And as a result, these young men are in dugouts in the middle of winter,
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fighting Russian soldiers because the Ukrainians' homes are 30 kilometers behind them.
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Hey, bro, I'm going to give you a Don DeMarco for seeing my perspective, bro, and admitting.
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Like, that takes a lot of fucking pride and courage to admit.
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The CIA is inherently not trustworthy, but the point is that since they're not trustworthy,
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the fact that they would disclose something like that that would make them look bad
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while making Putin look good is literally what makes it more valid.
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The CIA actually, in this strange scenario, actually validates Putin.
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And I just, I think among much else, that's stuff that cannot be forgotten.
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Icarus is saying this was an unreleased doc from WikiLeaks.
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That gives it even more credibility now that it came from WikiLeaks.
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I think that's the importance of chat, like having discussions.
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For all you niggas, Myron, you don't look at chat.
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None of this is simply about NATO expansion or this.
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There's a reason why I got the chat running on the left-hand side of the show.
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I think it's really important for you guys to be able to see each other's comments and talk to each other and shit like that.
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I gotta find a way to get the Castle Club chat up with the filters.
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So, you guys will still be able to be involved in the conversation because I want you guys in there, too.
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So, you guys, like, be typing up a bunch of crazy shit.
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Bill's figured out a way where he's gonna be able to put the Castle Club chat where...
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You guys are able to be involved in the conversation.
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But, when you guys are on Castle Club talking to each other and you say...
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On the Castle Club chat, y'all will be able to see it.
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But the other chatters on the main screen, they're just gonna see stars.
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You know, everyone's involved because I want all you guys involved.
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The Castle Club guys are still able to have their community where they go crazy and talk shit.
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It's just that when it goes out publicly, it's gonna be...
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It's gonna be censored to a degree because it's on YouTube, right?
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We gotta fucking play by the same stupid rules.
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It's just that it's not gonna show on the screen, if that makes sense.
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But you guys will still be in the conversation.
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I'm literally coming up with software specifically for y'all.
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Bill's has been in the fucking kitchen making this thing because I told him, bro...
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So we've been working on this shit for a few weeks now.
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It's about a country whose people are suffering in their third year of war.
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He unorthodoxly got sworn in as the director of the ATF and the FBI.
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And on top of that, they're competing agencies.
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Like, there's a lot of overlap between the FBI and ATF on what they investigate.
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Making him director for both agencies was really fucking stupid.
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And whoever did that, like, has no idea of how federal law enforcement agencies work.
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He was just there as an acting director waiting for someone to actually get appointed in the position.
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So, no, he didn't get fired off a performance or anything like that.
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So anyone that says that Cash Patel got fired from the ATF is fake news, guys.
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He shouldn't have been there in the fucking first place.
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I guess Trump probably put him there because he didn't trust anybody else.
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So, Cash Patel is doing pretty good with the FBI right now.
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He just needs to go after these fucking, you know, government gangsters, like you said before, and deliver what he promised.
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As much total war as we've got in the modern age.
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The era we lived through in the late 2010s was the era of believable women.
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And of all the Israeli women who were raped that morning...
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You're going to tell me Israel props up this terrorist organization...
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...about another war with Israel and trying to annihilate their neighbor.
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But that's not the evidence of the last 18 years.
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I think I'm allowed to quote powerful people when they admit what they're doing.
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I know, but again, I mean, it's just an interesting thing, because again, it's a discipline.
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Yanukovych was democratically elected with elections verified by the EU.
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Imagine Chinese politicians were coming over and handing out sandwiches to the rioters and saying,
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I mean, listen, we would lose our collective minds if another country came in and did something like that, okay?
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But, I mean, we lost our collective minds about Vladimir Putin installing Donald Trump, and it was all just completely made up.
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For me, it wasn't several times here, and you are right.
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But dollars into a street protest against a democratically elected president of Ukraine.
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And the whole issue is over, essentially, whether he's going to tilt toward an economic deal with Europe or tilt toward an economic deal with Vladimir Putin.
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He's telling you what I told y'all literally 20 minutes ago.
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Anybody that watches me, you guys know, I've had this stance on Russia-Ukraine for years.
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Remember all those Ukrainian girls that come on the show?
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And I tell them, hey, what are your thoughts on a war?
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Obviously, it always makes Chris and Fresh uncomfortable.
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But, I think it's really important to ask these bimbos that don't have to serve and put their lives on the line what they think.
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And then I got to give them a fucking truth bomb.
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And then next thing you know, they're fucking crying.
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And I remember looking at the chat and seeing a bunch of you dumbass niggas in there.
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He says the same shit I've been telling y'all niggas and these stupid bitches on the after-hour show for years.
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And now it's becoming mainstream to realize that we've been losing the war.
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And that the mainstream media lied to you all this time about us winning in this conflict.
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So it only took President Trump coming in and saying all the shit I've been saying for years for you guys to fucking believe me.
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But I remember even in the chat, niggas would be like, bro, you got to kill the vibe, bro.
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And now you have Dave Smith on a big-ass fucking podcast with millions of subscribers telling you guys what me and Coach Redpill told you motherfuckers back in 20 fucking 20.
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I also break information years before it becomes mainstream.
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And there was a lot of evidence to support that theory.
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I said Russia was winning this war and it's a waste of fucking money.
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So, look, man, people can say whatever they want to say, but I've been pretty accurate about shit.
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But, damn, I'm batting, like, you know, a good 400, man.
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You know, like, I should be, um, I'd be in the, uh, MLB Hall of Fame.
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I mean, Douglas, like, if anyone did that in our region of the world, we would, D.C. would overthrow that government invade in a moment.
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If it's hundreds of millions of dollars into this Qatar.
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Nobody's trying to overthrow the, overthrow the.
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And they are, they've been poisoning American universities, American institutions, buying up American politicians.
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I think I just sent you something about that this morning.
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Yes, I mean, well, okay, but that is a little bit different than overthrowing our neighbor government and trying to install a hostile government.
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You're saying that, like, we'd lose our mind if anyone tried to interfere here.
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There are lots of people who tried to interfere here.
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And the most obvious one is Qatar, which has pours money into D.C.
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Qatar does not have nearly the same amount of influence as Israel.
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And into elite institutions and universities in this country.
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And I don't find from one week to the next anyone who's particularly riled up about it.
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Well, so they've been, I mean, so they're pouring money into D.C.
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And so do you think that they are influencing U.S. policy through doing that?
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They're definitely succeeding with the university.
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They should try with the political class more if they're trying to turn us anti-Israel or something like that,
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because both major parties in this country will fund and unconditionally support Israel no matter what.
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So, I mean, I don't know, I don't know what they're.
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But, I mean, Qatar is definitely trying to influence things their way as other countries are.
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I mean, I just, I cite it as an example of something that's very interesting,
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which is an attempt to interfere in American public life, which gets almost no attention.
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And, indeed, the governments, whether they're Democrat or Republican, still seem to adore the Qataris,
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even as they act as one of the backers of terrorist groups across the Middle East and elsewhere.
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And I cannot understand why it doesn't get more attention.
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I can't believe he's trying to make this comparison, but let's play it out.
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I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's not a retard,
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despite a lot of the comments he's made earlier.
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To the former defense minister of Israel, they were begging Qatar to pour that money into Hamas.
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You're referring to the funding of Hamas in the 2010s?
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No, the Qataris poured the money in, and the question on the Israeli side was,
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what are you allowed to do with funds that were going into Gaza?
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And the Israelis allowed the funds to go from Qatar to Gaza.
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I think when the funds dried up, Netanyahu sent the head of the Mossad in there to beg him to keep the funds going.
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It's like quoting the head of the CIA, quoting the head of the Mossad.
06:48:37.000
President Trump named Shabbat Labudovich Rabbi Yehuda Kaplan as U.S. special envoy to monitor and combat anti-Semitism.
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President Trump announced Thursday that he is nominating Yehuda Kaplan and Orthodox Jewish businessmen Shabbat Rabbi
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and Trump campaign surrogate as an administration's special envoy to monitor and combat anti-Semitism.
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I am proud to nominate Yehuda Kaplan as the United States Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism.
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Ambassador at large, Yehuda is a successful businessman and staunch advocate for the Jewish faith and the rights of his people to live and worship free from prosecution.
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With anti-Semitism dangerously on the rise, Yehuda will be the strongest representative for Americans, Jews across the globe, and promotes peace.
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I would say that most people don't have a problem with the Jewish people or the Jewish faith.
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I don't have a problem with Jewish people or the Jewish faith.
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I have a problem with the state of Israel and how it subverts our government.
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Now, you can make arguments that components of the Jewish faith are involved in the supremacy belief system that is the anchor to Zionism.
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But I think in general, framing this in a way where he's going to preserve the Jewish faith and the rights of his people to worship free from persecution, that's not the problem, Mr. Trump.
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I don't think anyone has a problem with the Jewish people practicing their religion freely without being persecuted.
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Hell, I would fight so that they can go ahead and worship free of persecution.
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I don't think people have an issue with the Jewish religion.
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There's some fringe people out there that might have a problem with it.
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People have a problem with the gross bombing campaign being conducted by the Jewish state.
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No one wants to destroy synagogues or hurt Jewish people for practicing their faith.
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People have a problem with the state of Israel killing innocent people.
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And I think that's very important to distinguish because what ends up happening, right, is what they're trying to do, Chad, and I hope you guys are catching on to the PSYOP, is they're looking for people to basically say, oh, I feel this way about them boys, right?
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Then they're going to use that and attribute that as the same as criticism of Israel.
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So, I can see a PSYOP here where what they're trying to do is they're going to try to conflate meaningful, articulate, and valid criticism of Israel.
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They're going to try to conflate that with hatred of the Jewish people.
06:52:44.540
Once again, you can make the argument that some of the religious ideology might overlap with some of the political ideology.
06:52:52.620
But in general, the two are pretty fucking separate because some of the most devout Orthodox Jewish people are some of the biggest advocates for bringing down the Zionist state.
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I don't see the word Israel here one time, Chad.
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And Trump framed it this way for a reason, Chad.
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Kaplan helped with the Trump's campaign's outreach to the Jewish community during the 2024 campaign, including a high-profile event backed by, oh, of course, Miriam Adelson, where Trump courted Jewish voters at Washington.
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How much do you guys want to bet that Miriam Adelson told Trump to appoint this guy on the team?
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She told Trump, hey, you need to appoint this guy as a special envoy for anti-Semitism.
06:54:29.300
Bro, Miriam Adelson absolutely played a role in Trump's cabinet picks.
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I tell you guys all the time, don't listen to what they say.
06:54:41.760
Who are the biggest donors on Trump's campaign?
06:54:46.620
Why do you think we're making a strong push towards AI and why do you think we're making a strong push towards a war with Iran?
06:54:57.320
And because Elon Musk has a vested interest in tech.
06:55:06.060
The people that pay the money dictate the administration.
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The people that pay the money dictate the administration.
06:55:20.620
We're supposed to get mass deportations, manufacturing jobs back through tariffs, no wars.
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Instead, what we've gotten is deportation of college students that criticize Israel.
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And backing out on tariffs after finding out that their treasury market would fucking collapse the entire global financial market.
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Well, if you follow the money, you won't be too surprised.
06:56:21.400
So, I mean, I guess I think I'm allowed to quote powerful people when they admit what they're doing.
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But again, I mean, it's just an interesting thing.
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Which is, do I only quote powerful people when they say the odd thing that I agree with?
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Or do I simultaneously distrust all powerful people?
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Well, no, I mean, I think that obviously, like, I don't blindly trust anyone in the political class or the media class for that matter either.
06:57:19.900
They admitted that they allowed funds to go from Qatar to Hamas because Hamas was governing the Gaza.
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For the reason of preventing the establishment of a Palestinian state.
06:57:32.560
There's one recording of Netanyahu saying something along those lines.
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No, no, no, there's a recording of Netanyahu literally admitting that he sabotaged the Oslo Accords, which were formulated by his predecessor, Yitzhak Rabin, okay, that was working towards a two-state solution.
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There is video of Benjamin Netanyahu being secretly recorded where he admits he sabotaged the Oslo Accords, which were literally the work of the Bill Klan administration, Yasser Arafat, and Yitzhak Rabin, sabotaged it, and he killed Yitzhak Rabin.
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He had a Likud party member go and assassinate Yitzhak Rabin because he did not want a two-state solution.
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Benjamin Netanyahu will never allow a two-state solution to exist, ever, ever.
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He needs a constant enemy so he can justify his aggression, okay?
06:58:34.920
He needs the opposition there, just like America and NATO need Russia to exist to justify its existence.
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The more Benjamin Netanyahu says, we can't make peace with these guys, the more he can rationalize not having a two-state solution.
06:58:58.280
He admitted to sabotaging the Oslo Accords that his predecessor had formulated with the adversaries,
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and someone from his political party literally assassinated Yitzhak Rabin, who formulated the Oslo Accords.
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at this fucking British guy that's clearly unaware of Netanyahu
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not wanting a two-state solution and doing everything in his power to ensure it doesn't happen,
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to include giving money to his adversaries that he knows are going to use that money to buy weapons
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The situation there, on the war of the last 18 months now, more than 18 months in the Middle East,
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is a result not of that, but of Hamas deciding to start another war with Israel and trying to annihilate their neighbor.
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But you don't think if they were being propped up by Israel, that has nothing to do with the group?
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The reason why Hamas were in power, as you know, much, much against the interests of the Israelis,
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was that they were voted into power after the Israelis withdrew from Gaza in 2005.
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Condoleezza Rice and other American statesfolk insisted that the Palestinians should have elections
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They had elections, perhaps unwisely, and Hamas won,
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and then didn't have another election again and ruled the Gaza for 18 years
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until they finally got the great fruit of their labors on the 7th of October, 2023,
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and went around southern Israel massacring everyone they could,
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and then caused, in turn, the destruction of the place that they were meant to be governing.
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The whole thing is a great tragedy, and all of it is at the feet of Hamas.
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I certainly agree with you that it's a great tragedy,
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when you accuse me of using the quotes that kind of, you know, back up what I believe,
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I think it's very convenient here to remove all responsibility from the Israelis.
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Like, even if I'm telling you that you have these quotes,
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I mean, again, I'm not talking about fringe figures.
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Figures? We could read through the list of people who have admitted what the strategy was
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But hold on, let me just say, so if you're going to tell me Israel props up this terrorist organization
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in order to make sure that the international community gives them a no-one,
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by the way, Smotrich, right, the finance minister, okay,
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The Palestinian Authority, they're the liability.
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Hamas is an asset because then we can tell the international community,
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And then even Ehud Barak admitted, like, this was also so that liberal Israelis,
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they'd be like, hey, we should make a deal with them.
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Okay, so if Israel props up this terrorist organization
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and then as a response to them committing a horrific act of terrorism,
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and just slaughter women and children in large numbers.
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Well, it didn't decide to do that, and it didn't do that.
07:02:25.500
It didn't level the place. Gaza hasn't been destroyed.
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But it did not go in to level the place like that, no.
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Okay, they went in and leveled the place, but that wasn't their intention.
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Let's just go back to the beginning, if we can.
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That was their intention, which is why they're going to take over the Gaza Strip.
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Since you're interested in the question of the Palestinian state,
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the Palestinians were given another state in 2005
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when every single Jew was removed from the Gaza by the IDF
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and when even the graves of Israelis in Gaza were dug up.
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they're still going to want the rest of their house.
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like, they're probably still going to fight you
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that we can use for the Palestine-Israel situation.