The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Thomas Massie's L Is REALLY A Big W! Here's Why + AM News Coverage

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00:13:00.660 Every single time, every single crime, every single lie, early lie.

00:13:08.500 Every single hour, every single day, every single night, early lie.

00:13:16.020 I know it's hard to believe it's the whole forest, not one tree.

00:13:20.300 And it's every branch and leaf, they're born to the sea.

00:13:24.020 But I'm telling you the truth, it's not just one or two. 1.00

00:13:27.600 It's every single Jew, they all hate you 1.00

00:13:31.500 And it really breaks my heart, but their lies are off the charts 1.00

00:13:35.220 And they only bring us harm, you gotta get smart

00:13:38.860 So if you want to be safe, and don't want to get replaced

00:13:42.740 It's best you start being based, or you'll get erased

00:13:46.100 Every single time, every single crime

00:13:49.320 Every single lie, early lie

00:13:53.080 Every single hour, every single day

00:13:56.840 Every single night, early lie

00:14:01.000 I know it's hard to accept

00:14:18.380 That all the ones you've met

00:14:20.200 Lie with every single breath 1.00

00:14:22.160 They want you dead 0.95

00:14:24.040 But you must not be weak 0.99

00:14:25.880 Just open your eyes and see, they always exploit the me, see their vampire tea.

00:14:31.760 And it can make you cry, learn your life was full of lies, and that face was a disguise, but you must hide.

00:14:39.000 So if you want to live and protect all of your kin, you have to grow thick skin, or we want way.

00:14:46.080 Every single time, every single crime, every single lie, early lie.

00:14:53.060 Every single hour, every single day, every single night, early light.

00:15:23.060 I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars 0.99

00:15:38.020 I don't give a shit about dead kids 0.98

00:15:41.100 I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars 1.00

00:15:45.100 I love getting paychecks from Zionists 1.00

00:15:53.060 I don't have any morals, I just love to get money 1.00

00:16:05.720 I don't care about genocide, I actually think it's funny

00:16:09.240 I can spell Jerusalem, I'll point to where it is 1.00

00:16:12.780 But I proudly stand with Israel as Apex, bitch 1.00

00:16:16.320 I want the Shekels, reach and fame 1.00

00:16:19.600 I couldn't care less how many innocents are slain 1.00

00:16:23.100 I will go kiss the wall if that's what I have to do 0.96

00:16:26.400 I have no problem being a good boy for Jews

00:16:29.980 I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars 0.99

00:16:33.660 I don't give a shit about dead kids 0.98

00:16:36.720 I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars 1.00

00:16:40.660 I love getting paychecks from Zionists 1.00

00:16:49.600 Don't come at me with requests to debate 1.00

00:17:01.240 You just want to pick on the only Jewish state 1.00

00:17:04.780 You want to bring up Gaza and the USS Liberty

00:17:08.520 But who caused the pogroms of Jews throughout history?

00:17:12.100 You're clearly jealous of the Jewish people and me

00:17:15.980 I know this extra 7,000 makes you see 1.00

00:17:19.400 You're just a loser, an anti-Symbi 1.00

00:17:22.460 You hate the chosen people and love to ankle bite 1.00

00:17:26.180 I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars 1.00

00:17:31.040 I don't give a shit about dead kids 0.98

00:17:34.120 I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars 1.00

00:17:38.140 I love getting paychecks from Zionist 1.00

00:17:49.400 I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars 0.99

00:17:58.880 I don't give a shit about dead kids 0.98

00:18:01.960 I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars 1.00

00:18:05.960 I love getting paychecks from Zionist 1.00

00:18:19.400 Oh no. I pissed off the chills. What am I gonna do now? I don't want to lose everything. Someone, please help me. 1.00

00:18:49.400 Oh no, I said the truth 1.00

00:18:57.480 And it really pissed off the Jews 1.00

00:19:00.980 And I don't know what to do 0.99

00:19:04.360 I have way too much to lose

00:19:08.180 I didn't tell any lies

00:19:11.560 But I need to apologize 1.00

00:19:14.500 I know that the Jews can easily destroy my life 1.00

00:19:21.820 Hey, little boy, I heard you calling 1.00

00:19:26.540 No need to cry, now you can stop falling

00:19:30.020 I can help you make it all go away

00:19:33.140 But you have to do exactly what I say

00:19:37.420 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall

00:19:41.320 If you want to keep it all

00:19:44.760 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall 1.00

00:19:48.320 If you want to be asshole 1.00

00:19:51.600 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall 1.00

00:19:55.320 If you know what's good for you

00:19:58.760 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall 1.00

00:20:02.300 Never forget you're ruled by Jews 1.00

00:20:05.880 Oh, thank you so much for being forgiven 1.00

00:20:09.860 I'm so happy about this choice I'm giving

00:20:13.580 I was just being edgy, I didn't mean to offend

00:20:16.880 I will get to Jerusalem and make it right on my end

00:20:20.760 Good little guy, I knew you'd understand

00:20:24.580 I'll have my contacts waiting for you in the promised land

00:20:28.120 And when you get there, they won't be mean to you 0.99

00:20:31.040 Just remind them that you're apologizing to the Jews 1.00

00:20:36.560 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall 1.00

00:20:38.920 If you wanna keep it all

00:20:42.560 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall

00:20:46.100 If you wanna be at all

00:20:49.560 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall

00:20:53.080 If you know what's good for you

00:20:56.480 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall 1.00

00:21:00.060 Never forget you're ruled by Jews 1.00

00:21:06.560 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall 1.00

00:21:21.120 If you wanna keep it all

00:21:24.680 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall

00:21:28.140 If you wanna be absorbed

00:21:31.120 Hello

00:21:31.780 Don't throw my phone

00:21:33.800 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall

00:21:35.140 If you know what's good for you

00:21:38.460 Kiss the wall, kiss the wall 1.00

00:21:42.140 Never forget you're ruled by Jews 1.00

00:21:45.760 Alright, we're live. What's up, ninjas? What's up, guys? What's up? What's up? 1.00

00:21:55.980 Welcome to the stream. Welcome to the stream. Welcome to the stream.

00:21:59.220 Yeah, as you guys know, I didn't go to sleep.

00:22:01.660 You know, we got to keep grinding. You know, it is what it is.

00:22:03.760 uh i figured i'd come on for a few hours this morning um cover the news uh as you guys know

00:22:09.220 yesterday huge news broke um thomas massey lost um his seat and um you guys know i've been a

00:22:17.960 longtime supporter of massey i've always liked him a lot um and obviously this is a big deal

00:22:23.900 it's a big problem um but but but but i do think that there's something positive from this that we

00:22:32.920 can take away okay um and i'm going to talk about that a little bit um today also we got uh i'll

00:22:40.600 react a little bit to pbd i know you guys love when i react to these like zionist uh podcasts

00:22:44.100 so i'll go ahead and i'll do that as well for you guys you know fact check whatever it may be the

00:22:49.000 bunk people because uh you know that's what we do but um i did cover this a little bit yesterday

00:22:53.060 um but i'll go ahead and cover it again it's the morning time i know a lot of you guys are

00:22:56.500 probably listening to me on your news uh on your way to work whatever so i'm happy to be here

00:23:00.220 is better to listen to me than Glenn Beck or PBD 1.00

00:23:03.260 or any of these other Zionist motherfuckers. 0.99

00:23:05.240 Hey, we keep it real, as you guys can see. 1.00

00:23:08.120 There's a reason why I wanted you guys to see that video

00:23:10.460 of everybody kissing the wall, okay?

00:23:12.800 This is not the United States of America. 1.00

00:23:14.940 This is the United States of fucking Israel, okay? 1.00

00:23:17.800 It is. 1.00

00:23:19.400 Me and a couple of other real niggas

00:23:20.860 have been calling this out for a few years now, 0.85

00:23:22.520 but I think you guys are finally realizing 0.99

00:23:24.680 what the fuck is going on. 0.99

00:23:25.740 So let's get right into it. 0.99

00:23:26.680 Who is Thomas Massey, okay?

00:23:28.220 I understand a lot of you guys are not politically inclined.

00:23:31.160 I'm going to explain this at a remedial level, okay?

00:23:34.940 Because at the end of the day, nobody knows everything, right?

00:23:37.820 I'm not going to sit here and be like, oh, you guys don't know about this? 1.00

00:23:40.640 You're so stupid. 1.00

00:23:41.560 No, my job is to educate you guys and show you guys who really run this country, how 1.00

00:23:47.820 things work, and quite frankly, I'm very honored that a lot of you guys trust me with

00:23:52.640 this, so I take that very seriously.

00:23:53.980 so i'm gonna do everything in my power um to ensure that um i get you guys this information

00:24:02.120 okay um give me one second here and i'll be honest man watching this makes me want to run 0.97

00:24:10.040 for congress myself dude like you know this shit really pisses me off but look again like i said 0.97

00:24:17.040 before we're gonna figure this out so uh good morning to all you guys so we're gonna do is 0.99

00:24:22.320 We're going to cover the Thomas Massey stuff, react to some people.

00:24:25.820 And, you know, thank you very much, Anonymous AC.

00:24:28.720 He said best.

00:24:29.420 No, Shadow Knight says, let's see here.

00:24:33.340 On God, best educator.

00:24:34.320 Thank you so much.

00:24:35.820 I was listening to Alex Jones until I saw your life.

00:24:37.460 Thank you.

00:24:37.760 Alex Jones is the man, though.

00:24:38.720 Alex Jones is the man.

00:24:40.900 I've been saying this.

00:24:41.660 L is a win.

00:24:43.240 Sure.

00:24:44.320 Awesome.

00:24:45.160 And just so you guys know, also, I really appreciate that.

00:24:49.300 Some of you guys said I'm one of the best political commentators.

00:24:50.980 I see some of you guys in the chat saying that.

00:24:52.320 I really appreciate that.

00:24:53.340 I take that responsibility seriously.

00:24:55.460 So, all right, without further ado, let's get into it.

00:24:58.500 So who is Thomas Massey, okay?

00:25:00.100 If you don't know who he is, you guys need to know who he is.

00:25:02.280 Here's Thomas Massey, Thomas Heron Massey, born January 13, 1971.

00:25:05.840 He's an American politician, engineer, a member of the Republican Party.

00:25:08.620 Massey has been a United States representative for Kentucky's fourth congressional district since 2012, guys, okay?

00:25:13.880 So he's been in office for 14 years, okay?

00:25:18.180 The district is dominated by the Kentucky side of the Cincinnati area

00:25:20.900 and the Louisville eastern suburbs extending over much of northeastern Kentucky.

00:25:24.300 All right.

00:25:25.080 We'll keep it simple.

00:25:26.100 But what you guys need to know is this is what he represents.

00:25:30.380 OK, Kentucky's fourth congressional district.

00:25:33.420 Now, let's break down real quick what a U.S. representative is.

00:25:37.760 OK, think of it this way.

00:25:40.580 There's 435 members in the House of Representatives.

00:25:44.220 OK, and there's 100 members of the Senate.

00:25:47.080 OK, so let me break this out because I know a lot of people don't understand civics.

00:25:50.040 i know i also have a lot of international people that watch me so let's kind of break this down 0.97

00:25:53.460 and remember guys no don't make it fun of anybody that chat if they don't know this shit like this 0.92

00:25:57.940 is like nerdy civic shit you know and unless you're like really into politics this isn't exciting so 0.90

00:26:02.540 i'm going to simplify make it simple for you guys okay u.s congress okay there's three main 0.94

00:26:08.440 branches of the government you got the executive branch legislative branch branch and the judicial

00:26:12.820 branch okay executive executive branch is where the united states president is judicial is obviously

00:26:19.320 and the word judicial, law, right?

00:26:21.400 And then you got the legislative branch.

00:26:23.180 So this legislative branch, right, you got Congress, okay?

00:26:30.420 So remember, three main branches, executive, judicial,

00:26:38.240 and sorry, sorry, I haven't slept, guys, 0.70

00:26:43.420 so I'm like, I'm so fucking cooked right now.

00:26:45.020 I apologize if I'm a little slow. 0.90

00:26:46.880 I was on for like nine hours yesterday.

00:26:49.320 so bear with me legislative judicial executive okay the legislative side is congress within

00:26:57.280 congress there's two sides you got the senate and then you got the house of representatives okay

00:27:04.040 the senate has 100 members each state 50 states in america two representatives awesome

00:27:10.500 house of representatives a bit more complex 435 members they represent different districts all

00:27:16.640 across the United States based on states on population. So, for example, the state of

00:27:21.400 California is obviously going to have significantly more representatives than the state of Wyoming.

00:27:26.960 Okay? And these representatives are there to literally, it's in the word, represent you,

00:27:31.760 the people. Okay? Two years at the House of Representatives, six years Congress.

00:27:38.780 Got it? Again, from the beginning.

00:27:41.540 three main branches of government executive legislative judicial

00:27:47.380 presidents in the executive congress and the legislative they make the laws okay

00:27:53.700 within congress you have the house of representatives 435 members and then you got the senate 100

00:28:01.140 members those 435 are representatives of different states the bigger the state the more representatives

00:28:06.560 versus the senators, two senators per state, 100.

00:28:10.500 This equates to 435 with the House of Representatives

00:28:13.340 plus 100, 535 total.

00:28:15.760 That's Congress.

00:28:16.940 Give me one if that makes sense.

00:28:19.440 This is very important so I can build upon this.

00:28:22.720 And guys, don't make fun of anybody in the chat 1.00

00:28:24.100 if they don't fucking know this shit. 1.00

00:28:24.960 Like, nobody here is above any learning. 1.00

00:28:29.720 You know what I'm saying?

00:28:33.780 Politics is boring, 0.99

00:28:34.720 so I'm trying to simplify this shit for you guys. 0.99

00:28:37.120 Perfect. 0.98

00:28:38.020 Now, what you guys need to know was Thomas Massey was a representative.

00:28:41.100 So he was one of the 435 representing the 4th District of Kentucky.

00:28:46.100 Okay?

00:28:46.880 Now, what do you guys need to know about Thomas Massey?

00:28:50.740 I'll simplify this as well.

00:28:52.560 He's basically a libertarian.

00:28:54.060 What is a libertarian?

00:28:55.320 A libertarian or libertarians basically believe in, I would say, three to five core concepts.

00:28:59.840 They're typically non-interventionalists, which I agree with wholeheartedly.

00:29:04.600 Okay?

00:29:05.040 they believe a small government which i believe in to a significant degree okay they believe in

00:29:12.140 utmost personal liberty which i agree but but i want to be clear about this this is where

00:29:18.100 this is where libertarians and republicans kind of kind of clash

00:29:21.140 libertarians have this mantra of if it doesn't bother me i don't care is it legal and does it

00:29:30.140 hurt anybody no i don't care so in other words libertarians tend to be very degenerate i'm just

00:29:35.680 going to keep it a thousand with y'all okay okay let's just keep it what it is okay 0.99

00:29:40.540 libertarians tend to push lots of uh you know degenerate crap like libertarians will like be 0.99

00:29:48.660 pro-weed and shit like that right they'll be pro-prostitution not all of them right not all 0.99

00:29:55.440 of them but i'm giving you guys the basic mantra of the libertarian party so you guys understand 0.93

00:29:59.200 because a lot of people ask me all the time,

00:30:01.360 Myron, what's the difference between a Republican

00:30:02.660 or a conservative versus a libertarian?

00:30:04.100 It seems like they agree on a lot of things.

00:30:05.640 The biggest thing that I would say

00:30:06.880 is that Republicans typically tend to believe

00:30:09.940 in like God and the flag, you know, a religious virtue.

00:30:13.540 Libertarians is like, is it illegal?

00:30:15.900 Does it bother you? 1.00

00:30:16.580 Then mind your fucking business. 1.00

00:30:17.940 That's the libertarian mindset, okay? 1.00

00:30:22.320 Small government, utmost liberty. 1.00

00:30:24.620 They believe in feminism and all the other bullshit, right? 0.99

00:30:29.200 non-interventionist, et cetera, okay? 0.99

00:30:32.520 Now, with that said, I would say libertarians,

00:30:36.000 a lot of them are basically sensible Democrats

00:30:37.880 if we're going to be all the way 1,000 with y'all.

00:30:40.160 They're sensible Democrats, okay?

00:30:44.060 Like, they're typically not going to be the ones

00:30:46.340 that are going to be like, yeah, let's go ahead 0.92

00:30:47.520 and allow kids to get gender switches 1.00

00:30:49.460 and all that other stuff.

00:30:50.620 And they also tend to not be socialists

00:30:52.260 like the left is now.

00:30:53.720 The Democrat Party now in America are basically socialists.

00:30:56.520 Let's just call it what it is, all right?

00:30:59.200 If you look at every prominent Democrat now, AOC, Ro Khanna, Bernie Sanders, et cetera,

00:31:09.500 and then when you look at left-wing political commentators that are prominent,

00:31:12.240 you look at like a Kyle Kulinski, a Dean Withers, a Hassan Piker, et cetera, 0.99

00:31:16.160 all these guys are fucking socialists. 0.98

00:31:18.680 Okay, they want free health care for all. 1.00

00:31:21.440 They want, you know, they're okay with immigration, right,

00:31:25.200 limited border security, et cetera.

00:31:29.200 Okay. But now you guys kind of understand the differences. So we went over

00:31:33.720 executive legislative and judicial. Then we went over the legislative, which is Congress.

00:31:41.080 Then we went over the difference between the House of Representatives and the Senate.

00:31:44.800 Then we went over what a libertarian is. Give me ones, if that all makes sense.

00:31:48.100 perfect okay now on paper he's a republican but thomas massey's really a libertarian

00:32:05.060 okay he follows kind of like the the ron paul rand paul mantra okay which again i don't have

00:32:15.460 a problem with libertarians. I actually like libertarians a lot. Okay. The only thing that

00:32:19.900 I disagree with them on is like, they're super pro degeneracy. You know, they're pro weed,

00:32:23.800 they're pro feminism, they're pro all that BS, but whatever. Right. Anyway. So Thomas Massey 0.92

00:32:30.420 was out of the fourth district of Kentucky. Right. Now Thomas Massey really hit a virality

00:32:38.740 with this clip right here. Okay. And what he did here was a big fucking no, no. Before I play this

00:32:45.420 Actually, I'll play the clip record. 0.60

00:32:46.520 I'm going to take a quick piss for you guys.

00:32:48.520 This was a big no-no, what he did here. 0.98

00:32:59.600 All right, take a quick piss, ninjas. 0.94

00:33:01.680 Everybody but me has an APAC person. 0.94

00:33:04.280 What does that mean, an APAC person?

00:33:05.540 It's like your babysitter, your APAC babysitter,

00:33:08.000 who is always talking to you for APAC.

00:33:11.060 They're probably a constituent in your district,

00:33:13.480 But they are firmly embedded in AIPAC.

00:33:16.580 Every member has something like this?

00:33:18.620 That's how it works on the Republican side.

00:33:20.520 And when they come to D.C., you go have lunch with them.

00:33:22.840 And they've got your cell number, and you have conversations with them.

00:33:26.020 That's absolutely crazy.

00:33:27.420 I've had four members of Congress say, I'll talk to my AIPAC person.

00:33:31.640 It's literally what we call them, my AIPAC guy.

00:33:34.680 I'll talk to my AIPAC guy and see if I can get him to dial those ads back.

00:33:38.700 Why have I never heard this before?

00:33:39.920 Why would they want to tell their constituents that they've basically got a buddy system with somebody who's representing a foreign country?

00:33:46.920 It doesn't benefit the congressman for people to know that, so they're not going to tell you that.

00:33:50.740 Okay, this interview was done in 2024.

00:33:55.100 Okay? 0.99

00:33:57.140 This clip went fucking viral. 0.99

00:34:01.060 Okay? 0.99

00:34:02.680 Now, if you watch me, if you watch Nick Fuentes, if you watch Sneeko, if you watch any of us, 0.99

00:34:09.360 We've been talking about AIPAC for fucking years, bro. 0.99

00:34:12.040 For years. 1.00

00:34:13.420 Okay?

00:34:14.640 We've been talking about the lobby.

00:34:16.080 We've been talking about how JFK tried to disband them

00:34:17.920 and make them register under Farah.

00:34:20.400 Sorry, how Robert F. Kennedy, his brother,

00:34:22.400 as the Attorney General,

00:34:23.180 used to try to make them register under Farah.

00:34:26.100 We've been talking about AIPAC forever.

00:34:28.280 Right?

00:34:28.520 Dawson, all of us.

00:34:29.800 Right?

00:34:30.740 So, but here's the thing.

00:34:35.200 When you go on Tucker Carlson's show

00:34:36.920 and you mention this,

00:34:38.700 now it's going to be big.

00:34:42.700 I think I can confidently say right now at this point,

00:34:44.660 Tucker Carlson is the number one conservative commentator in America.

00:34:48.880 Would you guys agree?

00:34:49.940 I would say he's number one by a pretty healthy margin, right?

00:34:55.920 Obviously, he had a very, you know, successful career.

00:35:01.080 Fox went off on his own.

00:35:05.440 Okay, if you're going to say he's, if you disagree with me,

00:35:08.280 tell me who you think is number one then again i'm not saying number one because of he's the

00:35:14.300 best i'm saying he's number one as in popularity that's what i mean i'm going off of numbers and

00:35:21.240 popularity and influence that's what i'm saying i appreciate you john c says no you amen i know

00:35:27.260 where i stand i'm not number one all right nowhere near but what i'm talking about is like when it

00:35:31.940 comes influence and reach tucker carlson is number one in my opinion right not even my opinion i think

00:35:37.480 I think that might actually be a fact if you look at the numbers, okay?

00:35:43.800 Anyway, so this clip went viral, right?

00:35:48.100 Now, I need you guys to understand.

00:35:53.420 Why did this go viral?

00:35:54.600 Why was this a big deal?

00:35:55.240 The people that watch Tucker Carlson, right, are a lot of middle-aged to boomer Americans.

00:36:03.460 This is key, okay?

00:36:07.480 The people that watch Tucker Carlson don't watch Myron Gaines.

00:36:10.760 The people that watch Tucker Carlson don't really watch Candace.

00:36:13.660 They don't watch Nick.

00:36:14.320 They don't watch, you know, us.

00:36:16.700 He has his own big audience that he brought over with him from Fox.

00:36:25.960 And pretty much if people aren't watching Fox News,

00:36:29.320 they're probably going to watch Tucker.

00:36:31.440 Okay?

00:36:33.540 This is why, and I need you guys to understand this as well,

00:36:36.320 very important.

00:36:37.480 Anytime Tucker, if you guys notice, pay attention to this

00:36:39.820 because now you guys are going to see it.

00:36:41.840 Anytime Tucker brings on someone that's anti-Israel

00:36:45.800 or critical of Israel, notice how much hate he gets. 0.98

00:36:48.760 tucker gets attacked by far the fucking most by the zionist lobby anytime he brings on a 0.99

00:37:12.600 an israel critic on his show you want to know why 0.99

00:37:17.040 because tucker has the ears of the boomers okay so when thomas massey goes on tucker

00:37:28.460 and talks about apac and an apac handler for us we're like so what bro what you just 0.99

00:37:33.440 got red pill yesterday what the fuck like okay but to boomers this is what 0.99

00:37:38.500 what is this guy talking about for us it's another day in the office for them they're 0.99

00:37:48.220 like what the fuck that's why this clip went viral tucker's audience isn't used to this type 0.97

00:37:55.020 of rhetoric and i also want you to know what's also important guys this was in 2024 okay this 0.99

00:38:02.360 interview is two years old okay so you got someone like thomas massey goes on tucker drops a bombshell

00:38:15.140 to an audience that's huge and has never heard it before what do you think is going to happen

00:38:21.020 what do you think is going to happen because if you guys and all my people that watch tucker and

00:38:27.300 i think i'm going to connect it for some of you guys that are watching me right now did you guys

00:38:30.460 notice that tucker started getting quite a bit of heat at this point like it started this is like

00:38:37.700 when he started getting awakened i always credit this interview to the beginning of tucker carlson

00:38:43.680 getting red pilled i always credit this interview you know and if i'm wrong if i'm wrong guys go

00:38:51.820 ahead and give me another interview that red pilled him i think this this interview was the beginning

00:38:55.140 of Tucker waking up this interview by the virality, by the fact that, you know, Thomas

00:39:05.460 Massey was being very honest about it. And then the fact that it's been such a censored topic.

00:39:10.620 The last person to extensively talk about this topic was a guy named John Mersheimer.

00:39:16.660 Brilliant. I fucking love him. He's one of my favorite people to listen to. John Mersheimer,

00:39:20.200 by the way. I think he's a professor over at the University of Chicago. I'm not mistaken.

00:39:25.140 patriot i fucking love him one day i'll have him on the show 0.99

00:39:30.820 i'm on kick home page let's go we cooking baby 0.99

00:39:34.180 anyway right

00:39:39.340 so i always credit this interview beginning with with uh tucker being uh red pilled right on this

00:39:49.860 topic. Because I noticed

00:39:51.740 after he did this interview, he started bringing

00:39:53.780 on more voices critical of Israel.

00:39:56.780 And every time

00:39:57.980 Tucker brought somebody on that was critical

00:39:59.920 of Israel, he would get viciously

00:40:01.980 attacked.

00:40:04.000 And the most vicious attacking

00:40:05.440 was when he brought our

00:40:07.240 buddy on, Nick Fuentes.

00:40:10.420 That was like

00:40:11.840 the final boss. You bring

00:40:13.860 on Dave Smith, you bring on Thomas Massey,

00:40:16.520 you bring on some

00:40:17.800 people that are critical of the Israel lobby here and there,

00:40:19.860 you bring Jeff Sachs, you bring John Mersheimer.

00:40:21.740 Okay, cool, no problem.

00:40:24.540 Then you bring in Nick Fuentes.

00:40:27.840 And Tucker got viciously attacked for months.

00:40:31.620 I kid you not, guys.

00:40:32.660 I saw maybe at least 100-plus hit pieces on Tucker

00:40:39.220 after he brought Nick on the show.

00:40:42.980 Every major publication made a hit piece.

00:40:45.940 Tweets all over the place.

00:40:47.440 The Zionist lobby went after him.

00:40:48.940 Mark Levin, for those of you that don't remember, 0.99

00:40:51.800 remember Mark Levin went on a fucking insane rant 0.98

00:40:54.420 on Tucker Carlson at the Las Vegas. 0.98

00:40:57.480 I think it was like the, was it the Jewish conference?

00:41:00.780 One of these things.

00:41:01.380 I forget the exact name of it.

00:41:02.540 Someone in the chat's gonna tell me.

00:41:05.060 Mark Levin had a meltdown when he platformed Nick.

00:41:08.940 Shout out to the Chief Leaf.

00:41:12.900 A meltdown.

00:41:13.900 so

00:41:16.640 so this was kind of the beginning of

00:41:19.860 Tucker waking up right and then also

00:41:22.100 a lot of boomers waking up and a lot

00:41:24.240 of other people waking up to APAC 0.99

00:41:25.620 now some of you guys are probably wondering man what the fuck is APAC 0.96

00:41:27.900 what is this profound organization you're talking about 0.97

00:41:30.180 that's creating all this turmoil

00:41:31.920 well I will show you again

00:41:33.880 we're going baby steps here if you don't

00:41:36.100 know what I'm talking about today's episode for you

00:41:37.960 they're going to go through an education on it

00:41:40.200 okay so here's APAC right here

00:41:41.940 okay

00:41:43.700 And AIPAC, guys, this is their website, is basically the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC, is an American pro-Israel lobbying group that advocates its policies to the legislative and executive branches of the United States.

00:41:56.880 Translation, Congress and the President of the United States.

00:42:02.700 That's why I made sure to define the legislative and executive branch for you guys at the top of the show, so you guys know exactly who they have power over.

00:42:13.700 starting to make sense now chat starting to make sense

00:42:19.300 this is how trump got a hundred million dollars from miriam adelson

00:42:24.660 okay for those of you that don't know who miriam adelson i'll quickly show you who she is

00:42:30.040 the biggest Republican donor her husband Sheldon Adelson was like basically a casino tycoon he

00:42:45.440 died a couple of years ago okay but ultra rich billionaire she's a dual citizen she gave Trump 1.00

00:42:54.760 $100 million in his 2024 campaign.

00:42:57.340 And she also funded Thomas Massey's opponent,

00:43:01.480 Gal Ryan, whatever his name is,

00:43:04.180 in Kentucky, okay?

00:43:07.760 Now, I want to be clear about this, guys.

00:43:10.100 AIPAC is simply one pro-Israel lobbying group.

00:43:13.180 There's hundreds, okay?

00:43:15.100 There's a bunch of them all over the place,

00:43:17.200 all across America.

00:43:18.340 And a lot of the times,

00:43:19.160 you might not even know

00:43:19.880 they're an Israeli lobbying group

00:43:20.920 or a Jewish lobbying group.

00:43:21.980 You won't even know.

00:43:23.180 They use different names.

00:43:23.980 And especially now with as much heat as Israel's getting, they've made shell companies or shell organizations that are pro-Israel, but you don't know that.

00:43:32.780 Well, the politician knows, of course, but like it's not publicly known.

00:43:36.160 So you might see a candidate get a donation from like, you know, Friends United. 0.91

00:43:42.440 And then you do your research, you look at the president, it's like some Israeli name, Mordecai or some shit like that. 0.88

00:43:50.480 Okay. 0.96

00:43:50.880 Okay.

00:43:53.980 So ever since Thomas Massey aired out AIPAC, right, he's had a target on his back, okay?

00:44:08.420 Why?

00:44:10.040 Well, not just AIPAC, but he's also had a target on his back because he has opposed Trump in a couple of different ways, okay?

00:44:19.320 We'll briefly go through his voting history.

00:44:24.640 Thomas Massey voted against the Big Beautiful Bill.

00:44:27.140 For those of you that remember, the Big Beautiful Bill was a huge bill that encompassed so many different things.

00:44:34.240 And Massey obviously didn't agree with parts of it.

00:44:36.240 But it was an all-encompassing bill that had an enormous amount of spending in it, by the way, that Massey opposed.

00:44:47.040 He voted to remove wartime powers from Trump in regards to the Iran war.

00:44:52.640 He voted to get the Epstein files released alongside Marjorie Taylor Greene. 0.66

00:44:57.840 Right.

00:44:58.360 And I think Lauren Boeber was involved as well. 1.00

00:45:02.500 Marjorie Taylor Greene was viciously attacked by Trump for this.

00:45:05.760 And he threatened to primary her.

00:45:06.880 So she left.

00:45:07.500 She resigned.

00:45:08.260 Her kids got threatened. 1.00

00:45:10.800 Lauren Boeber, if I'm not mistaken, she was supposed to, she had like a water bill in play for the state of Colorado.

00:45:17.180 Trump vetoed it.

00:45:21.660 so as you guys can see, Trump doesn't really do too well

00:45:25.660 if you don't follow him 100%, okay?

00:45:29.460 He gets kind of mad.

00:45:34.600 So anyway, so because of all this, you know,

00:45:39.200 and just so you guys know,

00:45:40.080 he votes about 90% of the time with Donald Trump. 0.99

00:45:42.860 It's not like he's a fucking rhino. 0.99

00:45:44.240 People call him a rhino, 0.99

00:45:45.140 which stands for Republican in name only.

00:45:46.820 but he typically doesn't like uh excessive spending doesn't like wars right and they

00:45:57.000 always try to frame it oh he voted against ice it's not that he voted against ice there were

00:46:01.300 parts of the big beautiful bill that he didn't agree with but ice budget increases were in that

00:46:07.420 bill very important you guys understand this because when you guys watch the news what they're

00:46:14.600 going to spin it as is thomas massey's not loyal he voted against ice blah blah blah but what they

00:46:19.460 don't understand is that that's a half truth because the big beautiful bill though it did

00:46:25.720 encompass um increasing the budget for ice it also encompassed other things that didn't want

00:46:33.560 like a big one was like no ai regulation for 10 years 0.99

00:46:36.680 okay that's when they try to kind of slip under the fucking crack there 0.95

00:46:44.600 no AI regulation for 10 years 1.00

00:46:48.060 increased spying all this shit 0.99

00:46:51.400 Thomas Massey didn't want that stuff 0.99

00:46:52.860 so Trump fed up

00:46:54.980 with him exposing AIPAC

00:46:57.320 him not supporting him on certain things 1.00

00:47:00.060 he said fuck this shit 1.00

00:47:01.120 I'm going to back the guy 1.00

00:47:02.840 that runs against you

00:47:05.080 and boy did they back him

00:47:06.640 to the tune of about 32 million dollars

00:47:09.500 compared to Massey's 5 to 10

00:47:13.020 also

00:47:16.300 typically

00:47:21.760 the guy that's in

00:47:23.420 the seat that's in

00:47:25.180 has a 90% chance plus of winning

00:47:27.280 this guy won and removed

00:47:29.580 Massey

00:47:30.260 he had been there for 14 years

00:47:33.420 but Donald Trump

00:47:35.640 bashed him on true social

00:47:36.680 the Zio lobby putting in

00:47:39.120 30 million

00:47:40.000 coordinated a smear campaign on social media,

00:47:44.660 Massey lost.

00:47:47.040 He lost.

00:47:47.960 I think about 10 points or something.

00:47:49.580 Now, here's the good part.

00:47:52.900 Gowron got all the voters 55 and above for the most part.

00:47:57.800 Massey got the majority of the younger people, okay?

00:48:05.880 That's a big deal.

00:48:08.000 I know people are going to say,

00:48:09.200 oh, he lost, he lost.

00:48:09.900 We got a bunch of people on Twitter, you know.

00:48:15.140 Some people are losing their minds.

00:48:16.380 Some people are really pissed off.

00:48:17.900 Some people are frustrated.

00:48:18.920 Some people are disappointed.

00:48:19.720 Look, I'm with you guys.

00:48:20.680 I'm annoyed by it, too.

00:48:22.760 I'm annoyed by it, too.

00:48:23.880 But once I saw Trump endorse Gal Ryan or whatever his name is, I was like, yeah, it's a rap.

00:48:31.800 Because not only is Trump going to endorse him, they're going to flood the market with money.

00:48:36.860 They're going to hit the doors.

00:48:37.940 they're going to start putting out crazy commercials

00:48:39.960 they brought out like how Thomas Massey

00:48:42.040 remarried after only two months

00:48:43.480 they brought out a story how he

00:48:44.920 was texting

00:48:46.500 you know girls about his pine cone

00:48:49.980 going through TSA they were making allegations 0.92

00:48:52.060 of him sleeping with Lauren Bober all kinds of 1.00

00:48:54.040 shit bro all kinds of shit 1.00

00:48:55.320 right 1.00

00:48:57.160 and that all came a couple of days

00:48:59.920 before the primaries

00:49:02.200 and he lost and this was the most

00:49:03.960 expensive primary in American history

00:49:06.300 The top three primaries, guys, just so you guys know, they were all involved with AIPAC.

00:49:14.600 AIPAC funded all of the opposition.

00:49:17.600 This happened to a Democrat out of Missouri, Mississippi, if I'm not mistaken, Cori Bush. 1.00

00:49:22.760 This chick right here, they spent like $9 or $13 million on her, getting her out of there 1.00

00:49:27.960 because she opposed the Gaza genocide, her. 1.00

00:49:34.080 They got her the fuck up out of there 1.00

00:49:36.140 Gave her the yeet 0.99

00:49:36.900 And then who was the other guy

00:49:39.560 There was one other guy

00:49:40.600 That they spent

00:49:42.680 I think she's the third most 1.00

00:49:44.140 Donald or some shit like that 1.00

00:49:48.060 Someone's gonna 0.97

00:49:48.760 Someone's gonna

00:49:49.320 Jamal Bowman

00:50:01.740 Thank you so much

00:50:02.440 Jamal Bowman

00:50:02.980 Yes

00:50:03.240 so in 2024

00:50:05.660 Bush ran for re-election to the sea on August 6th

00:50:07.540 2024 Bush lost the Democratic primary

00:50:09.460 to Wesley Bell

00:50:10.820 the prosecuting

00:50:11.740 attorney of St. Louis County

00:50:14.700 basically the primary was the second most expensive

00:50:17.560 house primary in history worth

00:50:19.180 $9 million in spending against Bush

00:50:21.380 okay now let's look at Jamal

00:50:23.500 Bowman

00:50:23.800 he's number two right now I think they spent like 20M on him

00:50:27.360 okay

00:50:33.240 okay here he is uh he's a democrat yep

00:50:39.780 okay a pack versus jamal bowman new uh democratic so they spent i think 20 million

00:50:54.940 okay boom yeah 14 million has been to unseat far left democrat in his race against challenger

00:51:00.680 George Latimer.

00:51:02.980 So what's the common goal?

00:51:04.740 Are you guys seeing a trend here?

00:51:07.920 You guys seeing a trend?

00:51:09.940 You got Thomas Massey,

00:51:12.440 Cori Bush,

00:51:14.560 and Jamal Bowman

00:51:17.560 were all

00:51:20.340 targeted by AIPAC

00:51:23.100 and their opponents were funded.

00:51:28.100 Thomas Massey opposed Iran war

00:51:29.700 and exposed AIPAC.

00:51:31.860 Cori Bush opposed the Gaza genocide.

00:51:34.460 And Bowman, if I'm not mistaken,

00:51:35.880 I think, I'm not too sure.

00:51:37.260 He probably was against,

00:51:38.180 I mean, Democrats typically

00:51:39.100 are more, don't like what's going on in Israel.

00:51:44.740 Okay, a frequent critic of the U.S. support for the,

00:51:46.260 yeah, there you go.

00:51:46.980 So a frequent critic of the U.S. support

00:51:48.940 for Israel during the Gaza war.

00:51:50.280 Boom, there you go.

00:51:55.820 So he got challenged by pro-Israel

00:51:58.140 westchester county executive george latimer in the democratic party and he lost they spent 14

00:52:03.040 to 20 million on him so 30 plus million on spent to beat massey 9 to 13 million spent on cory bush

00:52:11.240 and then another 15 to 20 million on beating bowman

00:52:16.100 now here's the really interesting thing going back to our guy massey like i said before he

00:52:23.200 represents kentucky's fourth congressional district you guys want to take a guess what

00:52:28.120 the Jewish population is in the 4th

00:52:30.120 Congressional District of

00:52:32.240 Kentucky? It's the

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00:53:25.860 look at this 0.97

00:53:36.440 the Jewish populations

00:53:38.840 in Kentucky's 4th congressional district is very small

00:53:40.920 well under 1%

00:53:43.340 I need you guys to understand

00:53:53.100 what this means

00:53:54.320 a congressman

00:54:03.000 out of Kentucky

00:54:05.280 with a

00:54:07.400 less than 1%

00:54:09.680 Jewish population 0.55

00:54:11.780 okay 1.00

00:54:13.160 was removed

00:54:17.400 by office

00:54:18.340 on the back

00:54:21.380 of a pro-Israeli

00:54:23.840 pro-Jewish lobby.

00:54:26.080 Let that sink in. 1.00

00:54:33.320 A foreign country's fucking lobby 1.00

00:54:36.380 was able to remove a representative 1.00

00:54:43.200 that served for 14 years

00:54:45.220 in the district

00:54:47.460 that has less than 1% of the population.

00:54:53.840 that AIPAC represents.

00:55:01.800 Now, I don't want to sound, you know,

00:55:04.020 I don't want to really be too crass here, 0.99

00:55:06.200 but basically they bought a fucking seat of Congress. 0.99

00:55:09.280 That's what they did, okay? 0.99

00:55:12.320 Remember how I told you guys that there's three branches,

00:55:14.540 executive, judicial, and legislative?

00:55:16.820 Well, Thomas Massey comes from the House of Representatives,

00:55:18.800 which is involved in starting tax bills, impeaches,

00:55:24.360 and they're basically making all laws.

00:55:28.280 Congress makes, like, all the laws, pretty much, okay?

00:55:31.720 Goes to the House of Representatives, then to the Senate,

00:55:33.340 then to the President, to simplify it. 0.98

00:55:40.500 So a foreign country was able to remove a congressman

00:55:45.940 that was in power, well, I don't want to say in power,

00:55:47.580 but was elected and had that seat for 14 years

00:55:52.660 because he didn't show enough support for a foreign country.

00:55:56.820 And it's not just Thomas Massey.

00:55:58.240 They did this to other people as well.

00:56:00.400 Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman.

00:56:04.980 Alicia Ball Bowman lives in New York,

00:56:06.600 which has a significantly higher representation.

00:56:11.920 The three biggest Jewish cities in America

00:56:14.120 are New York, Miami, and L.A. 0.98

00:56:17.580 Right. Finance movies and porn. Who would have thought? Finance New York, movies L.A., porn Miami. Makes perfect sense.

00:56:36.240 We know who runs all three of those all three of those industries, right?

00:56:40.060 i digress but that's basically what happened so thomas massey lost last night now i know

00:56:49.900 what some of you guys are wondering well marion how the hell is this an l or sorry how is this a w

00:56:54.000 how is this not an l well i'll tell you why it's a w because now

00:57:02.800 people like me are vindicated now they can't sit there and say you're obsessed 0.99

00:57:09.300 now you can't say that we're just being haters and we're you know we're uh conspiratorial morons 0.99

00:57:17.420 anti-semites a foreign lobby was able to influence 0.99

00:57:24.100 a congressional district of which they have no representation at all and remove somebody and put 0.98

00:57:34.020 someone else in that's responsible for making the laws in america do you see how fucking bad 0.71

00:57:39.000 this is so when people like me and others say this is this is the united states of israel 0.98

00:57:45.780 and people say hey you're just a crazy conspiracy theorist i could go tell them go pound sand

00:57:53.160 okay oh academics is here yo if you're watching the stream what up bro 0.96

00:58:00.780 what up brother i'd be happy to chat it up with you actually let me hit this thing up

00:58:05.140 you guys already know academics is my guy one of the few people

00:58:10.140 in the industry i actually consider a friend like a legitimate friend like real friend 1.00

00:58:17.520 so all you guys that have anything bad to say about academics fuck you guys 0.96

00:58:21.900 academics is a real friend you know i mean we have we've had many um private conversations 0.97

00:58:29.140 on a bunch of different topics that i will not discuss but the reason why i'm telling you guys

00:58:33.520 that is because he trusts me to he trusts me enough to call me for those conversations that 0.98

00:58:37.600 means a lot to me so when people do that I don't betray that that's my fucking guy 0.97

00:58:41.380 he stuck by us never folded he's always been on our side since 2020 fucking one we could disagree 0.98

00:58:52.300 on shit he can get mad at me in my comments on you know African-Americans or rap music whatever 0.98

00:58:56.660 that's my nigga though I love him and I'm so happy that they gave him his flowers and he's 1.00

00:59:03.500 the number one hip-hop commentator.

00:59:09.260 Okay.

00:59:10.520 So shout-out to Ak.

00:59:22.700 Anyway.

00:59:25.220 Yeah, big shout-out to academics.

00:59:29.460 So, yeah.

00:59:30.540 So when people like me say that we are run,

00:59:32.440 by a foreign country, 1.00

00:59:35.220 we're not just talking shit, man. 0.99

00:59:37.900 Thomas Massey's beloved chat, 0.99

00:59:39.840 everybody loves him.

00:59:42.240 Okay?

00:59:45.020 All the America First guys,

00:59:47.460 all the guys that, you know,

00:59:50.540 are anti-war, love this country,

00:59:53.020 they support Thomas Massey.

00:59:56.720 So, the reason why this loss was an L

00:59:59.920 is because it vindicates everyone 0.93

01:00:01.860 that tried to say, oh, you guys are just vile anti-Semites.

01:00:06.720 Now, here's the second reason why this is a W. 0.79

01:00:09.660 As I told you guys before, Massey,

01:00:13.040 a majority of the people, okay,

01:00:15.720 that voted for Massey were young.

01:00:18.040 They were under the age of 55.

01:00:20.640 This is very important. 0.73

01:00:23.260 That tells me that we're on the right path in the GOP. 0.71

01:00:31.860 These boomers got maybe another 10 to 20 years, bro. 0.98

01:00:35.480 Okay? 1.00

01:00:37.200 And that's assuming we don't red pill them.

01:00:38.920 Some of them do become smart and kind of get red pill.

01:00:41.000 I'm sure many of you guys watching me on chat right now

01:00:42.720 might have red pilled your parents. 1.00

01:00:44.420 They were dumb boomers and you guys sat them down 1.00

01:00:46.080 and was like, look, I got some shit to show y'all. 1.00

01:00:49.000 You talked to them about the USS Liberty. 0.99

01:00:50.260 You talked to them about 9-11.

01:00:51.060 You talked to them about JFK. 0.70

01:00:52.420 You guys started talking about their illegal nuclear program.

01:00:54.500 You talk about the clearing break memo.

01:00:55.760 You talk about how they've influenced

01:00:57.100 our foreign policy for decades.

01:00:58.420 You talk about how they got us into war with Iraq. 0.83

01:01:01.440 Right?

01:01:01.820 You take all that knowledge I give you all on this show

01:01:03.600 when it comes to Middle Eastern foreign policy.

01:01:05.240 Some of you guys get through to your parents.

01:01:06.680 Some of you guys get through to your grandparents.

01:01:08.000 Some of you guys get through to your uncles.

01:01:12.320 Some of you guys are saying, my parents are too far gone.

01:01:14.060 No problem.

01:01:14.520 They watch Fox News.

01:01:15.640 The point I'm trying to make is that this is temporary, Chad.

01:01:18.600 This is temporary.

01:01:19.640 People are going to stop supporting the Israel lobby.

01:01:27.400 They're going to stop supporting Israel.

01:01:29.260 And it's already happening at the Democrat side.

01:01:31.760 FYI.

01:01:38.960 I called it.

01:01:40.500 When Zoran Mamdani,

01:01:42.320 and I was like one of the first 0.98

01:01:44.120 fucking political commentators to say this, 0.98

01:01:45.780 so you guys know I'm going to take this one 1.00

01:01:47.960 all the way to the bank.

01:01:50.280 When Zoran Mamdani won

01:01:52.280 the mayor of New York City,

01:01:56.140 same day I said, okay,

01:01:58.780 this is going to be the Democrat playbook

01:02:01.760 for the midterms and for 28. 1.00

01:02:03.740 You could take that to the fucking bank. 1.00

01:02:07.360 Now you guys might be wondering, 1.00

01:02:08.680 what are you talking about?

01:02:10.080 What are you talking about?

01:02:11.700 Well, Momdani ran on a couple of different things.

01:02:14.660 He ran on affordability.

01:02:16.680 He ran on, we don't support the apartheid state of Israel.

01:02:22.140 We oppose the genocide.

01:02:23.900 If Netanyahu comes to New York City,

01:02:25.360 I will have him arrested.

01:02:27.320 While all the other New York mayors like,

01:02:29.600 you know, Eric Adams, et cetera,

01:02:31.440 We're talking about, oh, yeah, my first trip would be to Israel.

01:02:33.640 He said, no, I'm going to stay in New York.

01:02:36.740 Now, let me be clear.

01:02:38.180 New York City is a blue city, right?

01:02:41.980 If there's any place in America where a socialist Democrat can win,

01:02:45.420 it's going to be New York City.

01:02:47.140 But the point I'm trying to make is he campaigned on an anti-Israel platform,

01:02:56.040 and he showed that you can leverage social media,

01:02:59.500 You can leverage grassroots politics.

01:03:02.880 You can leverage the community and win.

01:03:07.480 And now he's the mayor of the most important city in the United States.

01:03:16.340 So be ready, Chad.

01:03:20.320 In 2026 and 2028, the Democrats are going to go full anti-Israel.

01:03:27.460 Okay?

01:03:30.120 A lot of them are already starting to see the writing in the wall.

01:03:33.460 AOC? 0.74

01:03:36.320 I don't support Israel.

01:03:37.380 She doesn't take AIPAC money, but she did vote to give them interceptor missiles.

01:03:43.400 That's an L. Whatever. 0.99

01:03:45.320 Like I told you before, Democrats just sucked Isaiah Cock in the closet. 0.99

01:03:48.160 They just hope you don't know. 1.00

01:03:49.500 All right, but we caught that bitch. 1.00

01:03:51.480 Bernie Sanders? 1.00

01:03:53.500 Hey, you got to shit or get off the pot, bro. 1.00

01:03:57.160 Saying you're a Zionist Democrat don't work no more. 1.00

01:03:59.500 For years, Bernie has kind of been in the middle, playing the fence. 0.84

01:04:04.580 Well, I don't like what Israel's doing.

01:04:06.660 They're conducting a genocide, but I'm still a Zionist.

01:04:09.100 Like, what? 1.00

01:04:11.760 Can't do that shit no more. 1.00

01:04:12.780 That's not going to fly anymore. 1.00

01:04:17.280 Gavin Newsom?

01:04:18.520 He's already starting to fold.

01:04:21.260 AIPAC, that's interesting.

01:04:23.380 You know, I've never really thought about AIPAC.

01:04:25.820 Okay, buddy.

01:04:27.020 Yeah, sure.

01:04:29.500 then he came out and said

01:04:33.500 it kind of is an apartheid state

01:04:35.620 that's the governor of California 0.93

01:04:37.500 do you know how much progress we had to make 1.00

01:04:41.280 for the governor of fucking California 0.99

01:04:43.320 to admit that Israel's an apartheid state bro 1.00

01:04:46.120 do you guys realize

01:04:56.300 that

01:04:57.400 maybe less than four years ago?

01:05:01.840 If you even uttered Israel, Zionism, AIPAC,

01:05:06.820 why do we give them so much money?

01:05:07.940 Your political career was done.

01:05:17.480 Your political career was done.

01:05:27.400 So anyway

01:05:33.200 What was I going to say 1.00

01:05:37.500 So yeah, so you couldn't talk about this shit 0.99

01:05:39.820 So what Thomas Massey's done 0.99

01:05:42.360 In his loss

01:05:43.780 Has vindicated all of us

01:05:45.460 And I hope he runs for president in 2028

01:05:47.040 I hope he runs for president in 2028

01:05:50.480 So anyway, let's see here

01:05:53.740 So I was watching

01:05:55.780 pbd pod

01:06:00.300 to cameron we get that but last night while this is going on guess what senate voted for

01:06:12.560 we can say pro-war all we want trump didn't win the senate last night because there was a senate

01:06:18.180 war resolution last night let me see what page this is on if you tell me rob what page that is

01:06:24.620 Seven times they voted no last night.

01:06:26.980 Number eight, they voted yes.

01:06:29.340 Put the president in handcuffs.

01:06:30.800 This is massive because yesterday the people who got voted to become senators

01:06:35.760 voted to not allow the president to do what he wants to do with the war.

01:06:40.340 So I don't think America is a pro-war.

01:06:44.040 I don't think that's the argument that was made.

01:06:46.640 So yesterday, U.S. Senate, Senate advances Iran war power resolution, historic first.

01:06:52.860 The Senate voted 50 to 47 on Tuesday to advance war power resolution requiring Trump to end military operation in Iran and obtain congressional authorization.

01:07:01.740 This was the eighth attempt since the war began February 28th and the first to succeed.

01:07:07.060 And a decisive flip, Bill Cassidy, Republican Louisiana, who recently lost, who had voted on all prior time, switched after Louisiana primary, lost remote political leverage over him.

01:07:19.080 The war has now run 81 days, 21 days past the 60-day War Powers Act of Legal Deadlines.

01:07:25.120 So, Tom, why is this so important?

01:07:27.380 What are they saying?

01:07:28.540 Because, you know, it's very interesting here.

01:07:31.320 There are sore loser laws that people are going to see subheads on today.

01:07:35.300 And what the sore loser laws are, you remember when Lieberman ran as an independent in Connecticut in 2006?

01:07:42.220 Yes.

01:07:42.500 The Democrats blew him up in the primary.

01:07:44.740 They were pissed at him.

01:07:45.400 and then he ran as independent and the people of Connecticut said,

01:07:48.640 no, we still want you.

01:07:49.980 Okay?

01:07:50.600 Well, guess what? 1.00

01:07:52.480 Massey is in a state that has what's called sore loser laws.

01:07:55.500 You may not run in a special election or the general election

01:07:58.980 and flip party and try to play games.

01:08:01.180 Make sense, Pat?

01:08:02.060 Well, guess what?

01:08:02.760 Hey, what's up?

01:08:03.200 Thank you so much.

01:08:03.660 Goldenrod, thank you so much.

01:08:04.620 Justin Popp, Phillip Samuels. 1.00

01:08:07.040 Man, I think you'd be proud of my girls being disrespectful. 1.00

01:08:08.900 She said, you act like you're the prize of the day. 1.00

01:08:10.680 I broke up immediately on the spot.

01:08:11.920 Okay. 1.00

01:08:12.240 send that bitch to the shadow room bro good shit trust me watch he's gonna come back crying you 1.00

01:08:19.960 now bro uh rock 12 and the chief leaf thank you guys so much for the uh for the 10 gifted sorry 0.99

01:08:24.640 guys i totally missed those i was trying to really stay focused on the massey stuff but yeah going

01:08:29.020 back to the massey stuff does all that make sense guys so we went over who massey is what his job is

01:08:34.420 what apac is how they got him out of there why this loss is really a w because i do see a bright

01:08:40.120 future for us because the voter turnout was mostly young. And I don't think boomers are 0.94

01:08:44.700 going to have much more representation. Awesome. Awesome. All ones. OK, sweet.

01:08:49.060 But you have a Bill Cassidy. That is a B.S. sore loser vote. Seven times you voted. And remember,

01:08:56.120 war powers is really misnamed. It's war limit powers resolution because you're limiting the

01:09:02.280 powers of the president. And so if you vote in favor of war powers, you're voting in favor of

01:09:08.080 limiting the power of the president. And that's, I think, what Massey voted for, and that pissed

01:09:11.840 Trump off, too. So, Cassidy, seven times he votes yes. Give the man the power to complete the action

01:09:17.860 that we've started. Don't hold him up. Give him the power to do that. And you freaking lose your

01:09:23.120 primary, and it's like a sore loser. You come out, well, I lost, you lose. I'm flipping over, 0.99

01:09:30.080 so I'm going to vote in favor of war powers, which is war, no power to Trump past a certain

01:09:36.000 window of activity, 60 days or whatever it is. And that's why it's big. You know what it shows,

01:09:40.980 Pat? It shows that Cassidy does not have a defined position in that vote. If you have a

01:09:47.420 defined position on everything from oil exploration in the Gulf to the plight of a small fish in a

01:09:56.800 stream where there's going to be a hydro plant, you don't see people moving. You see people take

01:10:01.320 a position generally hold up budgets you see people move votes why different things could be

01:10:07.060 in the budget we make a different agreement we did we different banking controls um there was

01:10:11.620 something that was pretty ridiculous on a glenn beck show i want to talk to you guys war power

01:10:14.960 resolution that kind of puts him a little bit in the gridlock it's an interesting dichotomy right

01:10:18.600 because yeah 37 and 0 and at the same time taking powers away on the iran i like that same day but

01:10:23.080 you know what i like about that's how it's supposed to work a little bit i love america

01:10:26.280 That's why I love America.

01:10:27.320 You know, it's kind of like a—

01:10:28.500 Goldrod, thank you.

01:10:29.400 You know, it gives you the safety protection.

01:10:32.560 Guys, we're going to switch over to kick here soon, too,

01:10:35.040 and get off YouTube all the way.

01:10:36.760 You may have won here, but you lost—

01:10:38.300 Smash the like button for me, guys.

01:10:39.680 You may have lost here, but you win here, so it's okay.

01:10:42.240 Trump may have lost 2020, but he's flipped three Supreme Court seats.

01:10:45.480 If he doesn't flip those three Supreme Court seats,

01:10:47.300 what happens when he was gone 2020?

01:10:49.440 A lot of things could have changed.

01:10:50.480 So as much as people are worried about what's going on,

01:10:53.500 What I'm watching for is more the sport of politics.

01:10:57.540 Luke is, and I'll come to you, what I'm watching for is what will be the main three to five issues in 2028 when people run for president.

01:11:07.440 And I'm so curious to see what's going to resonate with who, Richard.

01:11:11.080 I think it is the issue that Trump, as you mentioned earlier, won on, which is no foreign wars and where he flipped, it seems.

01:11:22.180 And I think, you know, I'm really with Luke on this.

01:11:26.440 I think, you know, this was at the background, of course, of the of this primary with Massey and others.

01:11:34.520 And and this Senate vote is really I mean, that's a process.

01:11:39.200 It's not a fine. All right. Let's go back to the Massey thing.

01:11:41.940 Here we go. And then the 30 to 34 Massey one, 18 to 29 Massey one.

01:11:46.420 Thank you, Massey one. When you look at something. OK, look.

01:11:49.060 yeah this is super important right look at how massey pulled with the young people

01:11:54.480 see this is what i told you guys earlier the future is ours guys i'm telling you we just

01:12:02.480 wait these diet wait for these dinosaurs to get the hell out of here once these dinosaurs right

01:12:08.100 here bro we're taking our country back like this but it goes to the following because massey was a

01:12:13.560 fan favorite favored by a lot of people and then to me i think something happened and here's what

01:12:18.660 i think happened with massey massey was a fan favorite massey was a guy that maybe you know

01:12:25.140 three four five years ago you're like this guy's special covid the stuff that he was doing the

01:12:29.240 positions that he was taking you're like okay we like this guy and then all of a sudden something

01:12:35.160 got in his ear somebody i i have a speculation on who i think it is but somebody got in his ear

01:12:40.680 that said i think you're bigger than trump i think you can go against trump i think you can

01:12:46.280 be Trump. Top Jay, Mark Levin, thanks

01:12:48.300 for keeping us updated. I'm in class listening to you. Got you,

01:12:50.320 brother. Tell you, you know what? You know, the

01:12:52.220 big, beautiful bill, voting against it. 1.00

01:12:54.340 Migration, voting against it. Then all of a

01:12:56.360 sudden, he's voting against Trump, and he's

01:12:58.220 siding with Democrats. I mean, do you realize who were the people

01:13:00.240 that were most devastated last night? A lot

01:13:02.220 of Democrats. Ro Khanna,

01:13:04.100 devastated. A lot of liberals coming out saying, I can't

01:13:06.280 believe this guy lost. And this

01:13:08.100 is where it kind of takes me, and I want to go

01:13:10.120 a little bit deeper into the story

01:13:12.080 with these guys, and I'll ask you guys about it. Tom, I'll come

01:13:14.140 to you, and then Richard, I'll come to you afterwards.

01:13:16.280 is if you think you're bigger than the establishment.

01:13:22.560 Guys, smash that like one for me, by the way.

01:13:24.280 Prove it.

01:13:25.620 Because guess what Trump did in 2015?

01:13:28.580 Trump went against the establishment.

01:13:31.160 Trump called out everybody in the establishment.

01:13:33.920 And the establishment was who?

01:13:35.680 The Bushes.

01:13:36.680 He beat them single-handedly.

01:13:39.460 Karl Rove, establishment, he beat them single-handedly.

01:13:43.240 Fox News, they were not for Trump.

01:13:44.920 they beat him single-handedly mainstream media he wasn't against them he beat the mainstream media 0.98

01:13:50.260 single-handedly okay yeah but that led to him not being able to get shit done for two years

01:13:55.660 in his presidency so like you know every trump had no real people around them i think trump was

01:14:03.700 even surprised that he won their story criticizing him about the republican they wanted jeb bush they

01:14:08.960 wanted ted cruz they wanted all these establishment guys he beat him based on what based on the

01:14:15.340 policies that he went with which is what border migration crime nato china that's what he went on

01:14:22.620 okay the market said listen i like what this guy has to say let's give him a shot he won

01:14:27.720 so massey goes yeah the reason why a big reason why trump won in 16 guys is people were tired of

01:14:34.280 like the woke culture that was starting to um begin under obama i've talked about this before

01:14:39.700 i'll say it quickly for you guys the obama era is what ushered in the current woke era we have now

01:14:46.720 i'm gonna say that again for y'all

01:14:49.040 okay super important

01:14:52.660 the obama era is what's responsible for the current woke era we have now

01:14:58.600 the obama era was the one first one to really start pushing on affirmative action

01:15:03.340 first one to push for Obamacare first one to push for um gay marriage right and this is the 0.85

01:15:11.140 slippery slope that led us to where we are now with 99 genders so the culture revolution right 0.99

01:15:20.740 y'all talk about time you guys got black fatigue all this other shit BLM all that started under 0.99

01:15:25.300 Obama okay the political correctness the cancel culture the you know Wakanda type 0.99

01:15:33.080 mother all that came during the obama era that's why they voted for trump that's why

01:15:40.220 up there if i were to ask you right now what was massey's biggest top three points what did

01:15:46.060 massey run on if you were tom what did massey run on what are the top three things massey run on

01:15:50.800 did you follow it closely no foreign wars uh limiting spending small government right limited

01:15:57.900 government involvement no intrusion with uh you know there was like a surveillance act that trump

01:16:02.720 wanted to push and massey said no massey is very principled and that's why everybody hates him

01:16:08.780 closely but uh i think a key point is what you said about you know when he voted against these

01:16:16.700 bills but stay on this for a second i want you to stay on this what did massey run on

01:16:20.880 what were massey because it's very very important not taking foreign money i think that's so that's

01:16:26.560 one what else anti-war right okay so what else Epstein is one we have to put Epstein files I

01:16:33.300 mean he did that he voted against the big beautiful bill right multiple times he voted against the

01:16:39.060 president on the ideas that he had but a bigger one was mainly Israel there's an article that

01:16:44.020 came out Rob that said Israel divided the Republican Party I don't know if you've seen

01:16:48.480 that thing that Israel divided you know what I think America is saying I think America is kind

01:16:52.980 saying look guys of course everybody like trump said something the other day everybody spies on 0.65

01:16:58.520 everybody when he's meeting with g we spy on china they spy on us everybody is using their

01:17:04.900 intel to steal from everybody yo garrett basil thank you for the 25 thank you everybody at this

01:17:13.520 level is doing you don't think israel is using epstein to get intel on american politicians and

01:17:18.640 world politicians you're you're naive if you don't believe that i fully believe that i had

01:17:22.320 three-hour conversation with his brother fully believe they were a part of that but you don't

01:17:26.260 think we do that you don't think others do that so i think america's finally come up and they said

01:17:30.660 listen man if everything was about israel and if that's an issue that america is fully on trump

01:17:38.460 would have lost yesterday 0 to 39 if america was like well thomas massey and all these guys that

01:17:44.140 everything they're blaming israel israel israel money coming from the outside apac adelson which

01:17:49.080 Adelson gave a lot of money.

01:17:50.460 We know who Miriam Adelson.

01:17:51.660 Well, these are the people that are running the president.

01:17:54.500 Guess what America said?

01:17:55.540 Yeah, you guys are famous on Twitter.

01:17:57.700 You guys are big podcasters.

01:17:59.860 This is not how America feels.

01:18:06.240 Yo.

01:18:09.420 Yo.

01:18:16.380 Oh, man. 0.99

01:18:19.080 pvd i got my seven seven seven thousand dollars i don't give a shit about dead kids i got my 0.99

01:18:28.520 seven seven seven 0.93

01:18:30.600 bruh 39 no because if you truly have a message that you want to disrupt the establishment

01:18:40.580 the market would have sided with you and they didn't last night it was a no bro the market

01:18:47.040 It doesn't sign.

01:18:47.860 This is the point.

01:18:48.620 They had to spend $30-plus million and get a presidential endorsement to win.

01:18:57.740 Do you not get that?

01:19:03.460 That is an enormous amount of resources to get one guy out of Congress.

01:19:09.700 Devastating loss last night.

01:19:11.480 It was a massive victory for the president last night.

01:19:14.380 And I know a lot of people.

01:19:15.100 He bashed him on True Social. 1.00

01:19:16.720 A bunch of people on Twitter were bashing Massey.

01:19:24.120 So, anyway.

01:19:26.160 People are out there saying, well, you know this, you know that, you know this.

01:19:29.060 Because sometimes, like, I remember DeSantis.

01:19:33.220 I'll compare DeSantis to Massey in a very weird way, okay?

01:19:37.260 I live in Florida because I love DeSantis.

01:19:39.160 I think he's a great governor, okay?

01:19:40.720 Phenomenal governor, and you're always welcome to come here.

01:19:42.960 DeSantis is owned by them as well.

01:19:45.100 for those of you that don't know ronda sanctimonious flew all the way to israel

01:19:51.740 to sign an anti-semitism bill in florida bro like what

01:19:55.940 you bro went to a foreign country to sign a florida law

01:20:02.680 like what falcon punch from cleveland you'll love us here hey he's a

01:20:15.000 phenomenal governor right yeah okay but i was against him when he ran against the all right

01:20:20.400 guys youtube going down come on over come on over youtube going down smash the like button come on

01:20:24.500 over to youtube ninjas sorry kick sorry my bad sorry guys i'm like no sleep right now come on

01:20:30.860 over to kick kick.com is pinned uh pinned in the chat come on over guys switching to kick now

01:20:36.760 switching over now ninjas switching over now

01:20:40.540 president and he never called him i was against him i'm like hey the guy helped you when i was

01:20:48.440 against it so somebody in massey's ear and desantis's ear said hey you can beat him

01:20:53.720 you can beat him he's not right desantis believed it massey believed it they both lost

01:21:02.020 so now what do you do moving forward now desantis has recovered from it i don't know what massey's

01:21:07.020 going to do because massey's now saying he's going to be running in 2028 but the market is

01:21:11.160 telling you what direction they're going the market is telling you what issues matter to us

01:21:16.340 going into 27 28 and they're watching if you can't win the congress how the hell you're going to win

01:21:21.900 presidency in 2028 okay here's the thing um massey's opponent had massive massive support also

01:21:30.940 No, Massey is nationally popular.

01:21:34.140 He's nationally popular.

01:21:36.640 So him not being able to win Congress

01:21:39.280 isn't the same as him running for president

01:21:41.180 because everyone's going to mobilize and support him.

01:21:44.700 Not everyone lives in that specific district

01:21:46.960 within Kentucky.

01:21:49.440 So that's not analogous whatsoever

01:21:53.800 if you can't win a seat of Congress

01:21:55.040 versus being president

01:21:55.800 because you're heavily dependent upon your district.

01:22:00.940 and when your district was bought the way that Israel did.

01:22:05.460 And you got the city president's endorsement.

01:22:08.720 It's a very different—yesterday was a very, very big night.

01:22:11.140 Of course, this will lead to midterms and different things that's coming on,

01:22:14.020 but we'll see.

01:22:14.420 I know a lot of people are not happy.

01:22:16.300 I know a lot of people are happy, but it was a weird night last night.

01:22:19.200 I think one issue is what you mentioned, this key example, the big, beautiful bill.

01:22:24.640 So we have this huge piece of legislation with so many different issues put together, and that was used quite cleverly, if I may say, by the advertising against Massey, picking something that a lot of Americans would agree on in the Big Beautiful Bill and saying, oh, Massey voted against that.

01:22:50.380 Well, actually, he found some bad points in the Big Beautiful Bill

01:22:54.220 that a lot of Americans also think is bad,

01:22:56.820 and that's why he thought we can't vote for it.

01:22:59.900 And, you see, so the issue is you can actually mess things up

01:23:04.680 and confuse people and confuse voters

01:23:06.460 and really distort politics if you have this.

01:23:10.740 I think we need a reform.

01:23:12.540 I mean, one is looking at the money side of U.S. elections.

01:23:15.980 That's been a longstanding issue in general.

01:23:17.640 But the second one is, and that's perhaps simpler to push through, to pass a law that says we need single-issue bills.

01:23:27.200 I would say, too, is much...

01:23:29.080 Quick chat.

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01:23:58.640 from mods for spamming cartoon porn in the chat, which is why he mad.

01:24:02.320 Okay.

01:24:03.200 If you run for Congress, they'll spend $100 million to keep you out.

01:24:05.760 That's facts.

01:24:06.740 Wang Gaff, WStream at work from the guy that helped me reach Six Fix.

01:24:10.080 Got you, Wang Gaff.

01:24:11.340 Massey losing and how much they spent woke my parents more than any facts and stats I've 0.93

01:24:16.020 told them.

01:24:16.440 They just needed to see it for their own eyes in real time.

01:24:18.640 Yep, exactly.

01:24:20.280 Exactly.

01:24:21.500 Exactly.

01:24:22.180 Some people are starting to get where I'm going with this now.

01:24:24.960 Now y'all are, see, guys, we're all vindicated. 1.00

01:24:27.720 For all you guys that got stupid boomer parents, 1.00

01:24:30.100 show them this election. 1.00

01:24:32.100 Show how much money AIPAC spent in the Jewish lobby. 1.00

01:24:36.100 30 million plus for a fucking congressional seat, dude. 1.00

01:24:40.000 That's not even President of the United States. 1.00

01:24:41.720 For a congressional seat, bro.

01:24:44.380 Sammy, thank you so much for the 10 gifting, my friend.

01:24:46.440 Thank you, thank you, man.

01:24:48.900 So, yeah, use that to read your parents, Bayes Dad.

01:24:53.380 Yeah, no, you're right, bro.

01:24:54.380 Tell your son I said hello, by the way.

01:24:56.380 I hope he's enjoying the hoodie.

01:25:00.220 Bayes Dad came to one of the meetups, chat, if you're wondering.

01:25:02.480 It was great.

01:25:03.360 I got to meet a lot of you guys.

01:25:04.560 Bean Dip, shout out to you with the donation.

01:25:08.420 David says, good morning, man.

01:25:09.500 I was watching your stream earlier when you started, and I can't believe you are still on.

01:25:13.280 Love the work you put in.

01:25:14.140 Yeah, I went.

01:25:14.720 I ate a little bit, worked out, and then I'm back on.

01:25:18.180 Much love, bro.

01:25:18.700 Can't wait.

01:25:19.640 Can Fresh get a Don DeMarco for going to the gym and putting the work in, too?

01:25:22.180 I got you, bro.

01:25:24.740 Don DeMarco.

01:25:26.240 All right.

01:25:27.160 Finally able to set up my Kek account to give subs, doing my duty as a supporter.

01:25:30.680 Thank you so much, Chief Leaf.

01:25:31.540 That means a lot, dude.

01:25:33.280 Shekel Maxson, good morning, Myron.

01:25:34.500 If we start a Goy impact to counter, would this have any impact? 1.00

01:25:38.080 It'd be funny. 0.99

01:25:39.360 Ken Rose, greetings. 0.99

01:25:40.720 Fuck libertarians aren't necessarily pro-degeneracy. 0.99

01:25:42.700 They are just pro-individualism and free will. 0.99

01:25:44.720 they acknowledge that prostitution weed smoking is more of the wrong

01:25:46.940 and reflects poorly in society.

01:25:47.920 They just, however, believe individuals shouldn't be locked up for it.

01:25:50.280 Yeah, and they also kind of condone it too, bro.

01:25:53.180 Like, I'm not saying they are degenerates.

01:25:56.080 I'm saying they allow degeneracy to exist.

01:25:58.360 Does that make sense?

01:25:59.180 Because you can't give someone utmost liberty, hence in their name, 1.00

01:26:03.100 while simultaneously restricting them from being degens.

01:26:14.720 um academics reacting to me now said he wants to debate i texted him you think massey is who

01:26:22.400 nick was talking about when he said he was waiting for someone else more radical to run

01:26:26.100 and didn't say who it is uh i don't know i don't know if massey would be considered

01:26:31.380 more radical um please react to these guys chimping out if we have time

01:26:37.780 such as the market and the electoral side clearly delivered a message

01:26:42.940 In the financial markets yesterday, it's interesting, the bond market delivered a message.

01:26:47.160 U.S. 10-year treasury yields are up 70 basis points since this war started.

01:26:50.060 They're breaking out at a very dangerous level.

01:26:51.740 Japanese bond market, breaking.

01:26:53.900 U.K. bond market, breaking.

01:26:55.420 And so there's, at the same very day, 30-year treasury yesterday, highest in 19 years.

01:27:02.740 And so if we, clearly, the electoral, it's almost.

01:27:06.400 I'm going to take a quick push shot.

01:27:07.440 Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it, good and hard.

01:27:10.760 the American public may get

01:27:13.040 exactly, you know, 37-0 0.69

01:27:14.540 is a pro-war, pro-spending

01:27:17.540 agenda? I don't think

01:27:19.100 so. I don't think it's a pro-war,

01:27:21.240 pro-spending agenda, and I'll tell you why I don't think

01:27:23.020 that is. You see, that's the thing

01:27:25.120 the market says, because we all

01:27:27.040 have biases, right? I have it, you have it, you have

01:27:29.160 it, we all have it. It's okay. That's okay. We'll debate

01:27:31.060 it, and we'll hash it out, and then the audience

01:27:33.040 gets to decide at the end and say, you know what, Luke, you're full 1.00

01:27:35.080 of shit. Pat, you don't know what you're talking about. 1.00

01:27:37.060 Whatever Trump says, you're going to side with him. You know what,

01:27:38.960 richard you don't know what you okay that's fair this is why when you put the camera on we get that

01:27:42.800 but last night while this is going on guess what senate voted for we can say pro-war all we want

01:27:49.300 trump didn't win the senate last night because there was a senate uh war resolution last night

01:27:55.260 let me see what page this is on if you tell me right all right so glenn beck and them said some 0.98

01:28:00.080 dumb shit earlier too that i want to go into from this morning 0.83

01:28:04.320 well i was like that's actually why i kind of jumped online i was like man what are these 1.00

01:28:10.140 guys talking about that dead is good what the fuck did they take it down 0.95

01:28:14.460 all right looks like they already got rid of it interesting 0.96

01:28:23.820 interesting interesting hold on one sec chat maybe i could find it

01:28:34.320 nope

01:28:39.700 all right you guys keep telling me academics let's see what he's talking about

01:28:45.380 what's going on here it's really affected over there just like

01:28:50.780 okay what do you care about more

01:28:54.480 respectfully if 50 people get killed in chicago and 50 people get killed in palestine i'm sorry

01:29:06.040 i care about five million more why is that happening in chicago

01:29:10.620 you know palestine is like a forever from here it's like take two spaces

01:29:14.040 all right uh stukek thank you for the gifted so do you care about what's going on in philly

01:29:20.940 more you care about what's going on in palestine you don't even know palestine you got a map to

01:29:24.080 this folks what's going on here man that's that's what i said you know 0.95

01:29:29.240 as i said and this is gonna be fair if it was some shit going on in jamaica i'd probably be 0.88

01:29:35.960 i'm trying to buy him up for you guys it's low right either or you get what i'm saying 0.87

01:29:42.500 like yo they dropped iran dropped three bombs in israel and like yo did they drop it in they

01:29:50.760 drop it in jersey like sorry i know you're gonna be mad number one we built all these countries

01:29:57.820 got maimed sneaker tried his best he was trying to he was trying to position it like no you don't

01:30:04.940 care about others no no we have a order of importance like if your if your mom called you

01:30:12.340 and said hey i just got rear-ended versus you see a stranger on facebook saying yo i'm in chat what

01:30:19.900 did he want to debate about? You guys are saying

01:30:21.440 he wanted to debate or some shit like that? On what? 0.95

01:30:42.100 Be honest, I was going to get on

01:30:43.640 for a little bit, but

01:30:45.560 let's see what's going on.

01:30:49.160 Alright, so your mom

01:30:50.700 PPD is reading chat. 1.00

01:30:51.680 Everyone is pissed about Massey.

01:30:52.720 And for the first time I've seen, they're calling Pat out about his support of the Iran war.

01:30:56.620 Let me go back.

01:30:58.440 I can super chat it myself if you want.

01:31:01.500 Why Venezuela?

01:31:02.360 What is it about?

01:31:02.860 It's about oil.

01:31:04.140 It's a key source of oil for China.

01:31:07.240 China has built these refineries that you need for that particular type of heavy oil that Venezuela produces.

01:31:13.400 And it's the biggest, has the biggest resource.

01:31:17.540 I think he's referring to Iran.

01:31:18.700 They have a refinery specifically for Iranian oil.

01:31:21.460 This is in oil actually in the world.

01:31:24.240 So that disrupted, to some extent, Chinese energy plants as significant

01:31:29.200 because all these refineries in China were made for this very specific

01:31:32.840 Venezuelan heavy crude oil.

01:31:35.840 And then, of course, Iran.

01:31:37.740 A lot of attorneys are chiming in on this.

01:31:40.120 And a lot of attorneys are actually saying.

01:31:42.280 The key piece of information that led me to put this together

01:31:45.120 is when I saw that what was actually bombed in these bombing campaigns,

01:31:49.900 U.S.-Israeli bombing of Iran,

01:31:52.640 it clearly included key Belt and Road infrastructure,

01:31:58.320 railways and bridges, particularly roads and supply lines.

01:32:05.260 So, you know, it is hitting this challenge,

01:32:10.160 this perceived challenge of u.s navy um dominance and the only way to really stop this ultimately

01:32:17.900 uh leading up to a third world war which of course you know is nobody should aim for for a

01:32:23.860 world war and nobody should actually pursue wars is what i believe but um i fear guys i'll be right 0.94

01:32:29.940 back give me a second and so i don't think so i don't think so because i i think nato is shitting

01:32:33.840 bricks about a war taking place i think nato is worried if anything were to take place i understand

01:32:39.400 what you're saying i think they're sitting around saying guys uh like this story here from bloomberg

01:32:43.820 nato is starting to consider hormu's mission to protect ships just a few weeks ago they were

01:32:48.740 saying no we're not going to let you use this and we're not going to let you travel fly over us

01:32:52.980 now they're like hey how can we help you through hey what do you need but that's escalation these

01:32:57.980 are escalation steps so you know to leading to a war of course you know you've got now other

01:33:04.500 military also participating on the western

01:33:06.660 side, well, that

01:33:08.740 is increasing the probability. That's

01:33:10.600 escalation. Hang on, let me

01:33:12.580 ask you. I respect your intellect and

01:33:14.600 where you're going from, but do you

01:33:16.560 think that's an escalation point when at

01:33:18.620 the same time innocent sailors on empty

01:33:20.680 tankers are

01:33:21.580 congregating around one

01:33:24.640 of the largest targets?

01:33:27.540 Those aren't military ships

01:33:28.940 and those are owned by many people.

01:33:30.820 Yeah, you're right.

01:33:31.600 But a blockade is an act of war. Full stop.

01:33:34.500 Okay, there's more ships that have been there since the start of the war.

01:33:38.120 You're right, but the blockade is our position.

01:33:40.860 Correct.

01:33:41.240 The blockade's our position.

01:33:42.080 Our position. 1.00

01:33:42.580 But it was open until we bombed Iran. 1.00

01:33:44.040 I know, but what I'm saying to you is we are choosing the war. 0.79

01:33:47.780 But to say NATO wants the war, that's the point of a convention here.

01:33:51.980 Well, I'm not actually saying NATO wants the war.

01:33:54.500 It's not necessarily NATO.

01:33:55.220 That's kind of what you said.

01:33:55.940 Well, NATO, but what is NATO?

01:33:57.100 NATO is a tool.

01:33:58.160 It is dominated by the deep state, which is U.S. deep state dominates NATO.

01:34:03.300 You know, there's just nobody in the NATO leadership.

01:34:06.340 You think Trump and the U.S. wants this war to continue with Iran?

01:34:10.940 You don't think they want it to be done?

01:34:12.320 Well, what does Trump want concerning wars?

01:34:14.680 I mean, I do think his personal true opinion is what he originally said back when he was first president, that he doesn't want any of this.

01:34:24.540 But it looks like he's not really in control of that decision.

01:34:27.620 So somebody else is making that decision for him, sadly.

01:34:31.780 And I think there's the military-industrial...

01:34:33.320 You really believe that?

01:34:34.060 You think somebody else...

01:34:35.080 What'd I miss, Chad?

01:34:35.820 What'd I miss?

01:34:37.640 What'd I miss?

01:34:40.800 Making a decision.

01:34:41.740 Well, that's what we witnessed.

01:34:43.260 Everyone's seen it.

01:34:44.380 Marco Rubio's State Department put out a document on April 21st.

01:34:47.800 It said, we are in Iran defending the legality of the war.

01:34:50.620 State Department document, you can find it online.

01:34:52.220 We are in Iran at the request of and the collective defense of our ally, Israel.

01:34:56.940 Full stop.

01:34:57.440 Those are Secretary Rubio's words.

01:34:59.440 Okay, so I want to qualify this.

01:35:01.240 So you guys are saying this is a war that we're in because somebody else wants us to be in this war.

01:35:08.680 At least in part.

01:35:10.580 I don't think it's in America's interests.

01:35:12.600 I fail to see how it is in America's acute interests at this same time.

01:35:16.520 So would you see that that's the part where this argument gets manhandled by a clip from Trump in 1987 when he said he would attack, he would go to Carrick Island and he would Iran.

01:35:28.760 This has been a message that's been given for a long time.

01:35:31.240 OK, where his position with Iran.

01:35:35.400 All right, let me see here.

01:35:41.680 Quick red pill topic tonight, if you go over it later tonight.

01:35:44.780 Reading PBD's chat. OK, dude, people are always pissed off at PBD, bro.

01:35:48.960 They're always pissed off about some shit. 0.99

01:35:52.280 So. All right, let's see here. 1.00

01:35:57.600 Give me one second and just.

01:36:01.240 um and it's gonna be hard to try to prove it to a jury that you know i felt like my life was in

01:36:08.820 danger i agree with that so my are you here uh yeah yeah let me turn my camera on you got myron

01:36:16.560 on deck i was uh i was telling my audience how we're uh the the friendship from before okay let 0.89

01:36:26.860 me let me get this shit going hold on can you see me no oh no not that

01:36:35.580 yeah i'm trying to get my thing on oh i'm i think i'm good now waiting for you all right 0.98

01:36:43.160 there we go all right what's that perfect uh no not much so yeah no uh they were trying to

01:36:50.080 have me react to a video i think it was you and sneaker you guys were uh reacting to the

01:36:53.720 conversation we had with chad the builder yeah yeah or about chad the builder i think the

01:36:57.240 conversation went a little bit elsewhere but um it was a for me i thought it was a you know

01:37:03.840 i'm usually the person that is never you know i'm not like tarik nasheed where it's like yo

01:37:10.400 and i think that's another place where nico did a misstep because i think he approached it like

01:37:17.060 i was going to come with this black victimhood thing and i was like no i'm not defending none

01:37:21.400 those points what i'm defending here is that we have a certain individual right whether you i

01:37:27.720 don't know how you kind of grade racial relations within you know among races at this point i think

01:37:33.800 they're better than a couple years ago when people were rioting and this guy is going out of his way

01:37:38.080 and he's using something that would seem legal but but it's not legal you're like he's saying

01:37:44.180 it's my freedom of speech to be using slurs to offend you piss you off get you to a point

01:37:48.920 that you could possibly – so I'm going to provoke you to you could possibly attack me. 0.83

01:37:53.100 And if you do it, man, I got this gun on my hip. 1.00

01:37:55.360 I'm going to put your brains on the pavement. 0.99

01:37:57.420 And so Sneeko hopped on, and his opinion was this.

01:38:01.380 And I guess you could chime in after that.

01:38:03.600 Yeah.

01:38:04.360 But this was the brunt of the debate.

01:38:06.000 He said, well, here's the thing.

01:38:08.060 He's like, I don't necessarily agree with what Shud the Builder does. 0.82

01:38:11.120 However, I do think that the black community or any community that allows a word to have that much power – 0.83

01:38:18.920 They should almost nerf the word, just like, you know, repurpose it or when people use it, just don't take offense.

01:38:27.960 And my point to him was that's just not like if we go back in the history of all etymology, like that's just not how words are used and repurposed and put into place.

01:38:39.960 if i say certain words to you about whether your religion or your mom or anything that's sacred to

01:38:46.200 you when it and also the thing with chud when disrespect is intended even if it wasn't that

01:38:52.380 word he would have found the word to put the disrespect in so it's hard to avoid when someone

01:38:57.480 is seeking disrespect if you know i i said earlier and i'll throw it to you at this i said if you

01:39:04.760 know because i'd seen a small part of like you know i guess you probably you went on a tirade

01:39:09.860 and you said well you know what if you know there is a little bit of black fatigue and i said here's

01:39:17.220 the thing when i look at like white people i do think white people are kind of tired of not being

01:39:23.500 able to be themselves not not being able to like be proud of being white because historically in

01:39:28.300 the last 10 years or so it has been where it's like hey if you're if you're proud to be white

01:39:32.660 you're proud to be racist right and it's almost been like synonymous and i do i do see like the

01:39:37.420 ties changed on that I don't have a problem necessarily

01:39:39.400 with that I have a problem

01:39:41.220 when

01:39:41.980 they're trying to combine

01:39:45.300 those movements with a guy

01:39:46.920 who is not like if he was walking up to white people 0.99

01:39:49.320 be like yo we're fucking white we're like 0.99

01:39:51.540 we're proud we're Americans 0.99

01:39:53.180 and if that was his thing and he's going viral

01:39:55.180 I don't think he gets his backlash

01:39:57.440 is that he

01:39:59.060 makes his movement 0.97

01:40:00.900 diametrically opposed to black people 0.97

01:40:03.540 trying to put them down 1.00

01:40:04.980 and also trying to assert

01:40:07.420 why he's proud to be who he is and that's why i thought it was a bad representative of any

01:40:13.040 argument that anyone could have trying to support him and the sneak argument happened what say you

01:40:19.840 yeah so i think it's important right to kind of understand that like a lot of the clips that go

01:40:24.980 viral from chud right those clips went viral because of the altercation but obviously nothing

01:40:30.580 gets clipped when he's having conversations with people when they're chopping it up about

01:40:33.780 stuff more positive only the negative stuff goes viral me and you both know this being in this

01:40:38.160 industry that you know the good stuff is never clipped right when you say things that are

01:40:43.240 positive where you help people out they never clip that they only clip when you're you know 0.98

01:40:46.900 crashing out on meek mill or saying oh you know fuck you rory or some other shit so i think that's 0.96

01:40:51.240 important because us as content creators we understand that we always get clipped sometimes 0.99

01:40:55.440 at the craziest moments that don't necessarily reflect us now with that said let me be clear

01:41:00.460 about this i don't agree walking around and antagonizing people i think that's probably

01:41:06.540 not a good idea and i actually messaged him about this as well now with that said when i talk about

01:41:12.880 chud and i talk about what just went down with this shooting i'm speaking from the scope that

01:41:18.000 based on the information that i saw and what people told me that were actually watching the

01:41:22.960 live stream uh did you hear like what what was uh like the narrative what was been said

01:41:27.620 please well i've heard one narrative but i want to hear yeah so basically from people that watch

01:41:34.000 the stream it goes down like this he's walking around and a group of people i'm presumably with

01:41:39.900 wherever this guy was there like pointed at him and started laughing so he walks over he says hey

01:41:43.680 you guys like my suit how's your day blah blah blah one of the guys this is outside the courthouse

01:41:48.320 right because it's like outside the courthouse it's in this vicinity yeah one of the guys says

01:41:52.680 hey get out of here and he says well i have the right to be wherever i want to be and walk where

01:41:56.140 I want. Right. He starts walking away. Then he walks about 50 to 100 feet or yards away,

01:42:03.680 whatever it may be. And the dude walks up to him and says, I got PTSD. You better not say that I'm

01:42:09.740 going to chimp out or call me the N word, blah, blah, blah. Right. So he says, or what? You're 0.53

01:42:15.360 going to chimp out. And the fucking guy punches him. Right. He punches him. The camera falls. 1.00

01:42:21.480 There's some you hear some tussling for a few seconds and then you hear shots fired. Right.

01:42:26.140 Now, when it comes to those facts and circumstances, right, that is self-defense.

01:42:31.360 People don't have to like Chud.

01:42:32.920 They don't have to agree with the content he makes.

01:42:34.620 They don't have to, you know, be a fan or not.

01:42:37.040 But I do think that with what went down and the facts that we know right now, if they

01:42:42.820 are in that manner, in that order, more than likely he's going to have a pretty strong

01:42:46.820 self-defense case.

01:42:47.900 But the thing that people need to understand, and me and you both know this, we talked about

01:42:51.640 this last time we spoke, whenever you have a high-profile case like this, like where

01:42:55.180 someone that's high profile was involved in an altercation or something happened a lot of times

01:42:59.740 the state is just going to make an arrest to absolve themselves of responsibility so that

01:43:04.020 they can kind of be like oh we're going to pass the buck to grand jury like this literally happened 1.00

01:43:07.280 to you so you know what i mean you were innocent we all know you were bitches are lie all the time 0.98

01:43:11.800 but they still had to try to oh let's push the grand jury because you know we don't want to deal 1.00

01:43:16.560 with any type of fallout so when it comes to the chutz situation the guy closed the distance on him 0.81

01:43:22.540 And typically, whoever closes the distance is the aggressor.

01:43:27.140 And Tennessee has a stand-your-ground statue.

01:43:29.320 So once he punched him, it's all, you know, game's on now at this point, right?

01:43:33.620 So I'm with you on most of this.

01:43:36.220 And, you know, so the narrative I heard, it omits the part that he basically just says, what's up?

01:43:43.540 And walks away, then the other guy approaches, right?

01:43:46.300 So in the narrative I heard, he approached the guy.

01:43:49.500 He's trying to have a conversation. 0.99

01:43:50.600 the guy warns him there is no walking away so so it so it appears that chud walks up and he

01:43:56.980 the guy warns him he had ptsd chud continues in their rhetoric back and forth he then says

01:44:02.940 a chimping out thing a punch happens but i'll dismiss what i've heard and go with what you've

01:44:08.020 heard yeah just to continue the conversation because the people the people i spoke to

01:44:12.180 watch the stream like i asked a couple of people that watch the stream and that's what they said

01:44:16.820 so there's a short conversation there's a short conversation the guy tells him get out of here

01:44:21.640 he says i could walk where i want and be where i want it's a free country something along those

01:44:24.880 lines he walks away then the guy closed the distance on him and makes the remarks about

01:44:29.580 you better not say that n-word around me or you know say that chimp and i'll say i got ptsd

01:44:34.060 and then he says oh are you gonna chimp out and that's when he punched him and then obviously

01:44:38.900 the fight begins and this is where okay so just addressing that all right if what you're saying

01:44:47.280 is right and i have really no reason to believe that it's just like a complete lie so i'm gonna

01:44:51.580 go with it so that happened well self-defense is not utilizing deadly force right like i think

01:44:58.080 deadly force like is defined by all 50 states but even federally is like self-defense yeah it has

01:45:06.540 to reach so and this is the important distinction i think a lot of people who like chud or maybe

01:45:12.620 supported in theory what he was doing because he kept saying things like hey this is first

01:45:18.520 this is my first amendment right free speech a lot of people didn't correct him in saying that

01:45:25.340 hey listen brother you better go get a black belt or learn to squabble up because what happens is

01:45:30.580 if someone spits on you you can't shoot them sure if someone if someone knocks your hat off

01:45:37.760 you can't execute them sure what so even if i'm going with what you you said yes i believe he was

01:45:45.240 defending himself but when you defend yourself that's you fighting back so he wouldn't be an 0.98

01:45:50.360 assault charge if he had punched the guy back in the mouth or even beat the shit out of him 0.93

01:45:54.680 But when you grab a gun and then you and that was, by the way, it's been in it's in his intent. 0.98

01:46:01.200 He said it multiple times. Hey, I'm leaving a chimp's brain on the pavement. 1.00

01:46:05.060 He's not saying that. I hope no one threatens my life. 0.99

01:46:08.580 He says these altercations where at times people are not even saying I'm going to kill you.

01:46:13.980 There's nothing that establishes. And, you know, you're a former law enforcement agent.

01:46:17.380 So you know better than me. There's nothing that he could, you know, articulate that says, hey,

01:46:22.420 I am in fear of my life

01:46:24.880 someone punching you in the mouth is not in fear of your life

01:46:26.920 he didn't say

01:46:27.900 I heard that audio where you were telling the cop

01:46:29.860 he never said oh the guy was trying to grab my gun 0.98

01:46:31.740 he didn't say hey I'm about to shoot you with my gun 0.98

01:46:34.380 basically 0.99

01:46:35.540 trust me

01:46:37.940 I know you walk around with a gun

01:46:39.680 I walk around with a gun

01:46:40.600 there's a lot of Americans that walk around using

01:46:43.200 and establishing their second amendment right

01:46:45.400 the right to bear arms

01:46:46.520 whether it's concealed or not

01:46:48.380 usually everybody's in the know of saying

01:46:51.120 or understanding that it's not the first thing you use towards any type of violent or threatening

01:47:00.320 altercation if someone says i'm gonna slap you you can't shoot them and get away with it if someone

01:47:05.420 like bumps hard into you and you feel that was you know like a a active aggression you can't

01:47:11.200 execute them so someone punching this guy in the face i think he had a severe misunderstanding

01:47:17.100 for a while thinking that 0.99

01:47:18.980 if you touch him, he was

01:47:21.040 well within his right to 0.99

01:47:22.680 shoot you. And you tell me 0.97

01:47:25.200 if you believe that's legal.

01:47:26.900 I'm saying he's defending himself.

01:47:29.260 I'm saying he's not right to defend himself

01:47:31.040 with a gun. Fair. So you're trying

01:47:33.020 to make the argument that the proportionality was off,

01:47:35.200 right? Yes.

01:47:37.240 Because usually, most laws

01:47:39.020 say there has to be proportional force.

01:47:40.840 Fair. Okay. Let's switch

01:47:42.840 chat out. Let's say it's a 5'2 girl. 1.00

01:47:44.840 Same exact fact pattern. 1.00

01:47:46.460 Can she shoot him? 0.99

01:47:50.920 After one punch, I would say no. 0.94

01:47:52.900 I mean, it would be heavily debated, though, with the jury, I can imagine.

01:47:56.900 Okay.

01:47:57.260 Heavily debated.

01:47:58.340 Right?

01:47:58.920 If it's like, oh, this has been my abuser, there's some history there,

01:48:02.400 I'm really scared, yes. 0.82

01:48:06.580 In Chud's case, that's a tough sell. 1.00

01:48:09.260 And, again, here's my thing.

01:48:10.880 he's been going around citing these oh my first amendment my second amendment but so you're gonna

01:48:17.800 roll the die on people thinking that your frame of mind was that you're scared or you thought your 0.97

01:48:24.300 life was in danger when you're online saying for months I'm gonna leave a chimp's brain on the 0.85

01:48:30.720 pavement and this is he said it was a season finale like all these things you know these 0.91

01:48:36.380 things are not gonna get tossed he's not gonna be lucky like Luigi Mangione who just got the

01:48:40.120 backpack tossed out all of these things are going to be active in your case so let me ask you this

01:48:45.880 so so for chad you believe that his use of force wasn't proportionate to what happened to him so i

01:48:53.840 said yes because you you believe one punch doesn't constitute as justification for deadly force fair

01:48:59.700 yes then i asked you well what if it was a five foot one woman and this dude punched her would

01:49:04.580 she'd be just fine shooting him right it'd be a better case right perfect so what you just did 1.00

01:49:10.180 there i don't think you like what you just did there was you basically made it oh for their girl

01:49:16.040 the force is reasonable right but for chud i don't think so and this is why self-defense is so

01:49:22.240 important it doesn't matter what i think it doesn't matter what you think it really doesn't

01:49:26.840 matter what anyone thinks the only thing that matters is the person that used the force and

01:49:32.100 what was going on at their mind at the time of the act when they pulled the trigger or decided

01:49:36.600 to use deadly force. And it's very important to know also, and I went into detail with this

01:49:40.540 with a self-defense lawyer, one of the best lawyers in the country, and he also agrees with me on this.

01:49:46.000 When it comes to self-defense and using deadly force, within milliseconds, that decision could

01:49:50.160 be made, right? This is what protects people from getting wrongly prosecuted when they have

01:49:57.820 had a reasonable

01:49:59.180 inclination to believe their

01:50:01.740 life was in danger. For example, let's say

01:50:03.920 you get into a road rage incident, right?

01:50:05.800 You get out the car, the other dude gets out the car. 1.00

01:50:07.900 He says, fuck you, act, blah, blah, blah, 1.00

01:50:09.760 all this other shit. And then you see him go like this, 1.00

01:50:12.320 right? And you see something silver.

01:50:13.740 You pull out your piece and you shoot him. Dead. 1.00

01:50:16.000 Right?

01:50:17.420 But then you find...

01:50:18.760 Right? But you find out, oh, it was a pocket knife.

01:50:22.280 Right? Or it was a cell phone.

01:50:23.720 Well, now,

01:50:25.760 would a reasonable person have reason to believe that

01:50:27.440 after a car crash right a fender bender and they're out on the street fighting each other

01:50:31.200 and the guy comes out aggressively and says some things about you and then he reaches like this

01:50:34.660 you see the shine the light shine on it and you're like no way i'm not taking a chance you shoot him

01:50:38.620 you could argue that you were acting reasonably given the facts that were given to you why do i

01:50:43.320 say all this i say all this to say we don't know what was going on when chud was assaulted and for

01:50:49.340 us to dismiss it and say oh he got punched one time in the face that doesn't constitute his

01:50:53.260 deadly force we can't say that let's say let's just let's say he got hit in the back of the head

01:50:57.820 let's say he got hit in an area where it knocked the wind out of him and he wouldn't be able to

01:51:00.800 defend himself let's say he got a hold of his mace i know uh this dude carries mace around with him

01:51:05.000 right so we don't know all the different provoking factors that led to chud pulling the trigger but

01:51:10.820 when it comes to self-defense it's never based on what the 2020 hindsight is like me and you were

01:51:16.340 doing it's based on what was known to chud at the time he pulled the trigger that's the only thing

01:51:21.640 that matters and what you're doing right now is an amazing um defense attorney stance and i i like

01:51:28.960 if i'm his attorney i'm hiring you a former law enforcement agent as an expert witness in a in a

01:51:34.780 jiffy but there's a few things to consider right first and foremost the reason why he's doing all

01:51:41.540 these things is going to end up hurting him right the fact that there's actually audio recorded at

01:51:48.480 the moment where he's even explaining it and it's now to the world where he literally explains

01:51:54.680 how it happened he says well i went up to the guy the guy says hey whatever he doesn't want to 0.83

01:52:00.540 kind of engage he says yo you better not say that chimping thing i got ptsd he explains that

01:52:05.260 none of his explanation said i was in fear for my life now granted you know that's not the only

01:52:10.960 he said he had to defend himself but it's also here's another thing to act you gotta remember

01:52:16.180 no no no that's a huge range right he hasn't established where he feels in like he's in fear

01:52:24.740 of his life he says the guy punches him he never says hey you don't have to fear for your life act

01:52:28.980 it could be it's not just that it's not just like you feel like you're gonna die it could be serious

01:52:33.020 bodily injury too serious bodily injury can also constitute for deadly force right look let's say

01:52:39.840 you're a diabetic right and you know that your your sugar's low this dude comes up to you and 0.99

01:52:44.940 hits you right you already start seeing stars well now if you pull out a gun and shoot him 0.96

01:52:50.480 right because according to what you're saying you're like oh a punch doesn't constitute 0.61

01:52:54.200 as a justification for deadly force my argument to that is it can depending on who the individual

01:52:59.820 is we also don't know if he didn't follow up with a flurry of punches every punch that he throws

01:53:04.500 gives judd more and more justification maybe he heard go kill that guy whatever and i know you

01:53:10.260 mentioned before yo this dude walks around provoking people etc so check this out here's

01:53:15.460 another thing that's very important your state of mind when you use the deadly force also matters so

01:53:20.440 if you've been getting death threats if people have been threatening to kill you if your addresses

01:53:24.140 have been doxxed if you've been going through situations where people are stalking you whatever

01:53:28.580 all of that actually gives chud more right reasonable belief that his life is in danger

01:53:35.600 and that he can use deadly force now i'm not i don't have to say that's i agree with that or

01:53:39.760 I'm happy that that's what it is.

01:53:41.000 I'm just being objective here and I'm biased that when you have threats on your life,

01:53:44.980 you'll get doxxed and you're like a polarizing figure like him.

01:53:48.300 His use of force ladder is much easier to climb because he can reasonably articulate

01:53:52.700 that, look, I'm a controversial guy.

01:53:55.440 People come up to me. 0.95

01:53:56.540 People say they want to kill me.

01:53:57.860 People have these threats against me, blah, blah, blah.

01:54:00.100 So that's why I did what I did.

01:54:01.760 Also, interesting side bit, the dude that punched him had made a post on social media

01:54:06.780 saying that he was going to harm him.

01:54:08.160 so we don't know if chud knew that he might have recognized the guy or the guy might have said i'm 0.99

01:54:12.700 gonna kill you up you know i knew i was gonna run into you i'm gonna kill you well any of that stuff

01:54:16.560 that's said can obviously be reasonably looked at as uh a threat on his life which allows him to use 1.00

01:54:23.020 deadly force and keep in mind you don't have to get hit right or also similarly i'm gonna leave 0.75

01:54:29.140 a chimp's brain on the self-defense so so that will be used i will say though everything we're 0.94

01:54:34.340 saying and we're kind of like trying to operate from like this hypothetical type of yeah because 0.97

01:54:40.580 we don't know all the facts we don't know all of them so it is kind of almost nerfed though by the

01:54:45.320 fact that yes maybe if it was some random guy that didn't have a didn't leave a long established

01:54:53.420 history and trail of audio and video of him promising or promising to do certain things

01:54:59.640 or acting in certain situations keep in mind there's also a video that or video or some

01:55:04.620 depiction of what happened because according to the arrest warrant they said that he was in a

01:55:10.120 bladed stance with his weapon out before the guy ever punched him so already you're cooked like

01:55:14.640 so the weapon is out so if if if you then so let's put it in perspective in in how i'm gonna do it

01:55:20.900 so you antagonize people with words they now start to either you know react back maybe not

01:55:27.300 even physically yet and you have your gun out this like bait car he didn't he didn't antagonize

01:55:33.360 them it's important act he didn't antagonize them on this situation the only fact pattern

01:55:39.500 that matters is this situation all the stuff he did before is kind of he never called this guy a

01:55:44.200 chimp no what he said what they what they told me was he said you better not call me the n-word

01:55:50.260 or say that i'm chipping out and he goes or what you're gonna chip out why would he throw for his

01:55:53.820 done then so suppose they're saying he's in a bladed stance with his weapon out why would he

01:55:58.600 do that if the other party remember you said that he walked away yep it seems like he's the

01:56:05.000 escalating he's not antagonizing why would he need to pull his weapon unless you're saying

01:56:09.160 this guy literally was an unhinged guy trying to attack sure i can answer that it was probably

01:56:13.740 pepper spray so chud walks around with bear mace all the time and that's typically what he uses

01:56:19.500 So we don't know if he wasn't reaching for his bear mace. 0.98

01:56:23.380 Well, the CNN personnel who read the rest warrant said he reached for his firearm and he stood in a bladed stance.

01:56:32.400 And this was before the altercation.

01:56:34.960 It's not illegal.

01:56:36.120 Let's go with that fact pattern.

01:56:37.460 Even though what I've been told is he got hit first, then you heard the gunshots.

01:56:40.880 Let's assume that he was with a bladed stance.

01:56:42.740 I believe that, too.

01:56:43.940 I'm just saying there are some people where even after you got your gun out, they think you're not going to fire.

01:56:49.000 and they'll still hit you.

01:56:49.880 Okay, so perfect.

01:56:51.600 Let's use that fact pattern.

01:56:52.680 Let's dismiss mine.

01:56:53.420 Let's use yours.

01:56:54.260 Let's assume that the guy is walking towards him

01:56:56.480 when he has a bladed stance saying,

01:56:58.000 hey, you better not,

01:56:58.720 which obviously implies he has a weapon.

01:57:00.540 You can argue now that he's coming at me

01:57:03.480 when I'm warning him I have a weapon. 1.00

01:57:06.100 This guy's crazy and wants to hurt me. 0.97

01:57:08.180 So you can flip it around the other way around. 0.99

01:57:09.840 That would also be assault, correct?

01:57:12.160 No.

01:57:13.380 You have no duty to retreat.

01:57:16.660 You have no duty to retreat.

01:57:18.080 Okay, I'm having an argument with a guy, and I pulled out a loaded gun on him.

01:57:22.540 That's nothing?

01:57:23.880 If you have a loaded gun on someone, remember, there's been no physicality yet,

01:57:28.980 and that person punches you, the person who punched you isn't wrong?

01:57:32.200 Okay, you said, hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:57:34.080 You said reaching for.

01:57:35.140 Now you're saying he pulled it out and pointed.

01:57:36.720 That's a big difference.

01:57:38.160 Reaching for versus this is two different things.

01:57:42.160 Two completely different things.

01:57:43.500 Okay, so I want to go by the exact wording.

01:57:47.320 They're saying the arrest warrant is showing that he turned into a bladed stance and reached for his firearm.

01:57:54.000 Okay, it's not illegal to reach for your gun.

01:57:56.520 Okay.

01:57:57.100 It's not illegal at all.

01:57:59.380 And we don't even know if it's a gun yet.

01:58:01.100 Like I said, he carries bear mace with him too.

01:58:03.240 But if you're saying self-defense, it works both ways.

01:58:05.800 If someone feels you're reaching for a gun based on what they've heard you say in the past and they punch you, it feels like it would be their self-defense, right?

01:58:15.180 Well, no, because he closed the distance and was the aggressor.

01:58:17.840 The aggressor can't claim self-defense.

01:58:21.980 Well, the point I was trying to say is that threatening someone with a gun is the person being aggressor.

01:58:28.640 If I have a gun on my hip and I'm arguing with you and I lift my shirt up that you can see the gun and I say,

01:58:34.780 Yo, Myron, what you want to do?

01:58:36.140 Yo, what's up?

01:58:36.940 We can do it any way you want.

01:58:38.200 And you see the gun.

01:58:39.600 That is the initial aggressive event.

01:58:42.880 Even though I have not touched you.

01:58:44.140 no i've made a threat with a weapon that's fair no but you're missing a very important part act

01:58:49.500 okay go ahead if let's use a scenario let's say me and you are beefing i see you on the street

01:58:55.360 right you see me coming towards you we're in the state of florida or tennessee hey act i heard you 1.00

01:59:03.100 talking that shit say that shit to me now you want to get packed up you go like this yo don't 1.00

01:59:07.600 fucking try it bro get the fuck out of here right i keep talking and i close the distance even more 1.00

01:59:13.980 like I'm about to strike you. Bro, you don't got to wait for me 1.00

01:59:16.000 to come up and strike you. You can pretty much 0.87

01:59:17.780 reasonably believe that I'm trying to hurt you

01:59:19.980 despite the fact that you gave me multiple warnings

01:59:22.140 and we have a beef and a history

01:59:23.540 where I'm threatening to, I just, I'm going to

01:59:25.900 pack you up. Now you have reasonable

01:59:27.040 belief that I'm going to

01:59:30.160 significantly hurt you or create serious bodily

01:59:31.860 injury. That's all that's necessary.

01:59:33.840 And I don't have a self-defense now

01:59:35.600 because I was the one that started with you and I

01:59:37.800 closed the distance. If I closed the distance,

01:59:39.820 I'm the aggressor. I no longer enjoy

01:59:41.860 the benefits of a self-defense argument.

01:59:43.980 I feel like what you're saying is a tall order of a lot of circumstances

01:59:51.380 that needs to fall in his particular favor despite any of the things

01:59:57.260 that people have seen.

01:59:58.720 But, again, here's a few hurdles we have to get past.

02:00:02.540 Let's have fun with it then.

02:00:03.320 So real quick, would it be fair to say the first fact pattern I gave you,

02:00:06.780 which is what the people that are watching the stream on Pumped Fun

02:00:09.360 all told me, he's walking around, he sees them pointing at him and laughing, 0.97

02:00:13.540 he walks up to start a conversation hey how you guys doing today hey get the fuck out of here we 0.98

02:00:17.560 don't want you right here all right i could walk wherever i want but it is what it is walks away 0.94

02:00:21.300 guy closes distance says the stuff i got ptsd call me a chip and see what happens um well are

02:00:26.620 you what you're gonna chimp out punches chud from all the witnesses i've heard from he never called 0.90

02:00:31.480 anyone a nigger and he didn't say anything until the guy said you better not say oh are you gonna 0.97

02:00:36.080 chimp out i'm sorry are you gonna say i'm chimp out blah blah threaten him then he says oh or what 0.99

02:00:40.020 you're gonna chimp out then that's when he struck him that's the first fact pattern so i think in

02:00:43.520 that one he 1000% has self-defense he walked away he didn't provoke the guy closed the distance

02:00:49.440 he punched him first and you know obviously shots were fired we don't saw we didn't see what

02:00:54.120 happened but you can hear a struggle you can presume go ahead I think Dalton I think that's

02:00:58.860 his name Dalton Italy or whatever his name is yeah um him using chimp out will be very

02:01:06.960 replaceable of him using the n-word in terms of it being seen as a fighting word okay someone

02:01:15.300 tells you hey listen i have a particular condition don't do this and you say wait or you're gonna

02:01:23.000 chimp out and that i believe is going to be seen not by every jury in in every vicinity but i think

02:01:32.300 overwhelmingly definitely enough for an indictment where people are like well why did you say it then

02:01:40.260 if the guy gives you a warning that's that is a warning right hey don't start that other stuff

02:01:45.480 or else i might have to react i can't help myself well i don't know if he said that but

02:01:51.540 then you can you then follow up by saying don't say you're chimping out that would then be i would

02:02:00.280 say insightful or what you know a lot of you know in many places um the law considers as fighting

02:02:06.720 words you don't think no not at all because that removes all autonomy from the guy right if we

02:02:13.280 really had this this whole concept of fighting words is ludicrous because if we went off that 0.99

02:02:17.500 precedent like basically i could just say i'm a retard and then fucking punch you and be justified 0.99

02:02:23.200 in it like that would never fly right him saying i have ptsd you better not say uh champ or nigger 1.00

02:02:29.560 right and then he says or what you're going to chimp out like and then the guy punches him dude 0.87

02:02:35.520 like we're all adults here like that's just completely unacceptable behavior and he closed

02:02:38.740 the distance against him too keep in mind bro whoever closes the distance and is the aggressor

02:02:42.720 is the loser in this situation okay and i know you said this before but do you really believe

02:02:52.260 that the only reason why he's you saw the charges yeah you can't believe that all the charges are

02:02:58.800 coming from, okay, just societal pressure

02:03:00.820 and, hey, let's throw this to a grand jury

02:03:03.100 and see what they say.

02:03:07.760 You don't believe

02:03:08.740 any of his actions.

02:03:11.640 And, well, let me start with this.

02:03:13.920 So do you think

02:03:14.920 he's justified in a shot?

02:03:16.820 With the first fact pattern I gave you,

02:03:18.980 where he, again,

02:03:20.680 from the people that saw the pump stream,

02:03:22.480 that's self-defense all day. The guy came

02:03:24.760 to close the distance on him. He hit him first.

02:03:26.960 You could shoot him. 0.96

02:03:28.800 Well, again, we don't know what Chud knows when he decided to pull the trigger. 1.00

02:03:35.500 He could have hit him twice and knocked the wind out of him.

02:03:38.660 He could have maybe had a weapon from what Chud saw. 1.00

02:03:41.760 He could have said something like, oh, you're going to die today.

02:03:44.120 Like all of these different factors can easily help or justify an escalation to deadly force.

02:03:50.040 Because obviously a fight situation, every millisecond, the facts are changing, which will allow you to justify the use of deadly force.

02:03:57.700 So, you know, you could say, oh, one punch doesn't suffice. 0.92

02:04:01.420 But as I explained before with the female example, well, to a female it suffices, right? 0.76

02:04:06.600 So by definition, that means the person that is using the force must have a reasonable reason or a reasonable belief that they were in fear of death and or some serious bodily injury. 0.77

02:04:18.240 Which serious bodily injury could just be a broken bone.

02:04:20.180 It's not that high of a barrier.

02:04:21.500 So with the fact pattern that I have, I think it's self-defense all day.

02:04:24.800 Now, the other one you gave, because you gave a second scenario where you said he came to him and he was bladed like this and he was reaching for something.

02:04:32.100 It's not illegal to reach for something.

02:04:33.900 And we don't even know if it was his mace or his gun because he always carries mace around with him as well.

02:04:38.920 And he normally always maces people first when they come to him.

02:04:41.460 So we don't know if it was a mace.

02:04:42.580 Establishing that he was reaching for something, especially given the fact that there hasn't, unless maybe he identified there was a threat before, kind of shows that he was already in a position to be the offender or he was anticipating getting hit.

02:05:01.880 But there is no threat at that point.

02:05:03.620 well right and apparently he doesn't he doesn't get hit until he says something which that i would

02:05:09.520 consider and i think that would constitute fighting words right you know again you can't

02:05:14.340 just antagonize people and shoot them like that would be like the greatest thing ever right like 1.00

02:05:18.440 you go out like you a bitch you a bitch the person hits you you shoot him dead like that 1.00

02:05:23.000 like that would be like the best thing to just trick people out their spot you know what i mean 1.00

02:05:27.680 yeah but um yeah well the thing is bro is like saying someone's chimping out is not fighting

02:05:33.940 words like what are you going to chip out it's not fighting words no absolutely it is you think

02:05:39.220 that's fighting words a racial anything towards if it's a homophobic slur a racial epithet it's

02:05:46.720 all all of that is going to consider it's going to go towards you are using speech in a way to

02:05:53.880 violently offend to either cause a reaction or to start altercation right if someone let me ask 1.00

02:06:01.440 you a question if someone came if someone if someone walked up to me like fuck your dead 0.99

02:06:06.000 grandma is that fighting wars you no okay well all right so you might be a little bit different 1.00

02:06:12.480 like no like i i would be i would be like this guy's fucking weird and leave 0.96

02:06:17.640 okay so you have much more tolerance 0.98

02:06:20.600 I think

02:06:22.940 if we've looked at the history of what's

02:06:25.040 called you know even fighting words

02:06:26.780 really even offending

02:06:30.920 people like offending

02:06:33.020 people just to

02:06:34.980 get them off whatever

02:06:36.480 interrupting and offending people

02:06:38.960 especially with slurs are usually

02:06:41.120 generally considered that

02:06:43.160 well I'm looking right now it's words meant

02:06:45.100 to incite violence such as they may not 0.85

02:06:47.060 be protected under the first amendment um so basically chimping out is that chimping out

02:06:53.140 when i hear chimping out you basically said the n-word i don't think that constitutes as a

02:06:58.780 justification to punch somebody like there's no justification to punch somebody like zero

02:07:05.700 i'm not arguing i'm not arguing that it means you could punch someone i'm arguing that the rhetoric

02:07:14.280 that you approach that person with is now eliminated what you claimed you were there to do,

02:07:22.760 which is practice your First Amendment right, because now you're not practicing your First

02:07:28.240 Amendment right because you've approached with words and type of speech that's not protected.

02:07:33.760 So already your goal is not even within the bounds of what is actually accepted,

02:07:40.000 and then what happens from there we now have to look at differently so now okay all right fine

02:07:47.700 let's say he it was some protective speech and the guy punches him well if it stops there the

02:07:52.620 guy gets an assault charge it's a simple battery right that that's like a misdemeanor some places

02:07:57.460 unless he really goes crazy on you it may be turned into a felony but that's what it is there

02:08:02.180 when that is the only precursor right we got it like again you know and maybe for your audience 0.94

02:08:09.480 I'm using a ridiculous example. It's like, you know, if we all agree to go shoot up like our enemy's block, right? 0.67

02:08:16.320 And we all hop in a car and we're going to go there. Right. And during the commission of this crime, one of us gets shot. 0.56

02:08:23.720 They're probably going to charge us with murder. Or if we go to rob the bank and one of us get killed by the security guard.

02:08:30.200 Yeah. You guys get charged with the murder. So it's like in a lot of cases, you've got to follow the the sequence of events of how this crime is committed.

02:08:39.480 committed or how it devolves to the last step so chud is or chud is the first offender by

02:08:47.880 utilizing these fighting words that then again it doesn't justify but it's the sequence of events

02:08:55.140 right like for example you didn't rob the bank yet but walking into the bank you had the intent

02:09:00.080 of robbing and then the security guard shoots your man right so again you got to follow the

02:09:05.220 sequence of events and in none of the sequence of events is this guy being just unnecessarily

02:09:09.920 provoked and and and unnecessarily being just like completely hey let's let let us call you a name

02:09:16.940 that is um um provocative you know or you know or just you know provoke you and um i i think that's

02:09:24.440 where so okay yeah so um number one um in this scenario like i said before chad wasn't the first

02:09:32.720 offender because the guy came up to him so it was the guy that was the first offender he started

02:09:37.180 having a conversation first he said yeah he said hello how you guys doing he didn't swear at them

02:09:42.800 he didn't say anything he walked away then that's when the guy came up and said he knew who he was 0.99

02:09:47.960 he was like hey you better not say that chip out shit to me or call me a nigger otherwise it's 0.99

02:09:51.340 gonna be problems because i got ptsd blah blah and then he says or what you're gonna chip out 0.99

02:09:54.980 then he strikes chud also real quick assuming that he let's let's assume chud did call him a 0.98

02:09:59.640 nigger let's let's go best case scenario for the prosecution let's say he did call him a nigger 0.93

02:10:04.320 the word nigger still is not uh considered a fighting word uh uh according to u.s law 0.96

02:10:10.140 still not and then on top of that act just to be fair it's not a fighting word

02:10:15.080 fighting words aren't necessarily just all spelt out it's fight words have a meaning behind them

02:10:24.200 which means anything that has and this is why you know the sneaker debate constantly comes up is like

02:10:29.640 If there's a shared meaning of offense or me trying to provoke you, that is going to be seen as a fighting word.

02:10:42.680 There's not like clearly defined fighting word.

02:10:44.880 Yeah, no, of course.

02:10:45.780 But what I'm saying is because you said racial terms are considered fighting words.

02:10:49.120 They're not.

02:10:49.960 Now, what you're referring to is within certain contexts, right?

02:10:53.680 A white man calling a black guy the hard ER or saying he's chimping out, that is as fighting words as could be.

02:11:02.460 Come on. 0.89

02:11:03.100 Okay, okay.

02:11:04.020 To you.

02:11:04.560 In the United States of America?

02:11:05.900 Okay, again.

02:11:06.840 Yes.

02:11:07.980 What you might constitute as fighting words isn't constituted as fighting words according to U.S. law.

02:11:14.180 I want to be clear about this.

02:11:15.260 Like, you might take offense and be like, yo, those are fighting words. 0.99

02:11:17.700 I'm whooping your ass. 0.99

02:11:18.560 But according to the law, the term nigger isn't a fighting word. 1.00

02:11:21.980 Now, I'm going to be charitable. 1.00

02:11:22.940 let's assume the word nigger was used with other behaviors that might be wait are you saying that

02:11:30.560 that could never be a fighting word or you're saying just in itself it's not a fighting word

02:11:35.740 but contextually because contextually the way this got when i when i hear him say chimping out

02:11:41.540 i hear him saying the n-word like i sub my brain substitutes sure sure but remember everything

02:11:47.060 notice how you respond to me like you know from your subjective take where i'm telling the

02:11:51.960 I think I think I think we're this is where we probably depart in many like, you know, mutual thinking.

02:12:01.660 I think for the member, listen, you know, even my audience, my audience know I am not Tariq Nasheed.

02:12:07.680 They know like this is when I feel offended by this. 0.89

02:12:10.840 This is something that the majority of people who are, you know, melanated are going to feel offended by. 0.98

02:12:17.720 This is not normal.

02:12:19.320 And I know when you say that you wouldn't feel offended by the N-word, I think you're the very small minority.

02:12:26.960 I think if you walk up to most people that consider themselves black or even brown or have some ancestry that emanate from that sector,

02:12:36.160 if they heard a white man say the n-word to them immediately it would offend if they would feel

02:12:45.800 um um like someone is trying to either oppress them or and again it's just the word is loaded

02:12:50.860 with meanings for people of a certain color all right what do you say that you could brush it off

02:12:55.520 is very different all right let's let's let's let's go let's go into a scenario okay are black

02:13:00.080 people adults and full-fledged members of society absolutely so if they're adults and full-fledged 0.94

02:13:08.060 members of society right that have autonomy well that also comes with responsibility if you punch 0.98

02:13:14.480 somebody for saying a word just because you're a black that actually looks bad on the black race 0.96

02:13:20.120 because i'll tell you this if i went to a jewish neighborhood and started throwing roman salutes 1.00

02:13:24.600 and saying fuck the jews i pretty much won't have to worry about anything they're not going to come 1.00

02:13:29.200 up and punch me because they're exercising self-restraint because they're adults. So your 1.00

02:13:33.600 argument is basically, hey, bro, just don't say nigger because they don't have self-control and 1.00

02:13:37.660 they're going to punch you in the face. That's basically what you're trying to say. Now, going 1.00

02:13:40.480 back to what I was saying about the whole law thing, the term nigger is not enough to be

02:13:45.220 considered fighting words. It needs to be utilized with some other eminent threat of violence. 1.00

02:13:49.840 In this scenario, now let's go back to the Chud the Builder case because we're being very specific. 1.00

02:13:53.260 I only said the word nigger to be charitable, but chimping, if nigger doesn't meet fighting 1.00

02:13:57.380 word requirement chimping out definitely doesn't and then to go further than that 1.00

02:14:00.760 let me just finish let me just chimps brain on the pavement okay i can address that after i can 0.95

02:14:06.160 address that after so nigger is not considered a fighting word unless some type of imminent 0.98

02:14:11.760 violence is behind it right next if nigger is not a fighting word then we can pretty much conclude 0.93

02:14:17.820 that chimping out isn't an isn't a fighting word either then to add insult to injury to finish 0.95

02:14:22.940 the guy closed the distance on him then said you better not say chimpin out or nigger and then he

02:14:28.860 says or what you're gonna chimp out that's when he punched him so this guy has zero justification

02:14:33.880 to do what he did again i am going off of the facts and circumstances on what happened that

02:14:39.600 day now let's address that tweet you mentioned with uh somebody on a sidewalk blah blah now

02:14:44.460 obviously that's not the best look right but i do think it's important to understand

02:14:49.980 that you could be let me say this you could be a criminal you can be a you know a sex offender

02:14:57.720 you could be one of the most deplorable people ever that does not deny you the right to defend 1.00

02:15:02.700 yourself you could say all kinds of crazy shit on the internet but that does not mean that you 0.99

02:15:06.360 can't defend yourself so the tweet i hate to say is completely irrelevant to this specific use of 0.97

02:15:12.180 force i think it's that's i disagree i think his entire background um makes this very different

02:15:20.480 than that's not going to come in at trial though act that the important like the most important

02:15:24.140 that none of that's coming it won't you you don't believe that his previous behaviors and tweets

02:15:31.000 will come in at all no because what's going to happen is they the the prosecution is going to

02:15:37.260 try. The prostitute's obviously going to 1.00

02:15:39.300 try to put it in. 1.00

02:15:41.280 Well, here's the thing. It's absolutely

02:15:43.320 going to come in because, number one, and

02:15:45.100 that's another thing that Mr. 0.89

02:15:47.300 Chud's going to learn, is if you're going to shoot 1.00

02:15:49.280 somebody, you got to make sure you kill them. 0.99

02:15:51.120 That boy's going to take the stand. You know what he's going to say? 1.00

02:15:53.400 Hey, the reason why I said that to him

02:15:55.320 that don't say this type of rhetoric

02:15:57.180 is because I've seen him on social media many times.

02:15:59.260 So it's automatically going to come in.

02:16:01.320 I've seen him on social media. He says

02:16:03.280 this rhetoric. It's pissed

02:16:05.380 me off.

02:16:07.260 There is context towards just us having a random running.

02:16:10.940 And if that guy takes a stance, you can't immediately just say. 0.90

02:16:16.000 You do realize that if the guy takes a stand and says what you just said, he's going to exonerate Chud. 0.97

02:16:20.160 You do realize that, right?

02:16:21.940 You just made Chud's case.

02:16:23.360 You literally just made Chud's case, bro.

02:16:25.880 Not necessarily.

02:16:27.000 Bro, you literally just.

02:16:28.600 Yo, you literally.

02:16:29.800 No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait.

02:16:30.820 You just made Chud's case, bro.

02:16:33.100 No, no, because we disagree with what the case is.

02:16:35.760 We disagree what the case is

02:16:37.800 The case isn't

02:16:39.200 The case is not

02:16:40.120 Saying why did this altercation happen

02:16:43.400 Or who was the first person

02:16:45.660 That was physically violent

02:16:47.020 My thing is 0.99

02:16:48.360 If you like to pop shit that much 1.00

02:16:50.600 You better get security or learn to squabble up 1.00

02:16:52.780 You cannot shoot someone

02:16:53.980 Just because you get punched

02:16:55.720 I don't think

02:16:56.740 You absolutely can

02:16:57.320 The guy who punched him probably should get an assault charge

02:17:01.720 Honestly

02:17:02.340 However it's going to be nerfed by the fact that

02:17:05.760 He got shot. The point is, if you are this raging racist who thinks that you're practicing your First Amendment right, you better be a black belt. 0.98

02:17:13.860 Because when somebody slaps you, you better be able to beat him to the ground, not try to shoot him and execute him. 0.99

02:17:19.340 They didn't charge him with they didn't charge him with just aggravated assault, which means you shot.

02:17:23.600 They charged him with attempted murder, which means you tried to murder a man who punched you.

02:17:29.480 And again, I know you said, well, maybe it's like 15 punches.

02:17:31.880 well clearly you know and i get it you know you know maybe they're just overcharging we're gonna

02:17:36.220 see what it is but the reason why he's sitting in jail now can't even take the bond that that's

02:17:41.680 coming through with the um um go fund me this and third is because you miscalculate it's not only 0.93

02:17:47.600 that you were doing some crazy shit and you should have knew this were going to be the consequences 0.94

02:17:51.240 white skin or not so act you operated in a place where now you have to go rely on a bunch of jurors 1.00

02:17:59.300 to see your side you got played as much as he was running around calling black people stupid 1.00

02:18:05.060 calling them chimps the only person who was misinformed of the actual law the guy who shot 1.00

02:18:10.800 him yes he got shot he's not getting charged the only person who got handcuffs on him that 0.99

02:18:15.920 that's showing up to court looking dumb stupid when they say 1.25 million bail is you because 0.99

02:18:22.660 everything you were doing wasn't fully backed by the law and you know it wasn't fully backed by 0.99

02:18:27.660 it was i'm not so you believe he's solely charged okay so number one me and you both know that

02:18:35.880 people get charged in high profile cases like this that are racially motivated because the

02:18:40.140 da's office doesn't want to deal with it i'll be fair to you look at carmelo anthony when he

02:18:43.600 stabbed austin metcalf he claimed self-defense but they still arrested him why because the state

02:18:48.120 doesn't want to have to deal with the backlash that can come whenever these you know racially

02:18:52.520 charged cases end in someone dying they'd rather push it to the grand jury or the jury that's

02:18:56.860 number one number two when i mentioned that that stuff's not going to come in you do realize if

02:19:01.740 that stuff does come in about his past all of that is going to give chud even more justification

02:19:07.780 because he's an antagonizer he's a controversial person everybody hates him this allows him to be

02:19:14.440 able to say look i'm on heightened alert because people are trying to kill me they dox my address

02:19:18.520 blah blah this dude came up to me he's made threats to me before on facebook proven that

02:19:22.920 he's provoking that particular incident he did it though that's the point he did not provoke this

02:19:27.760 see you're relying upon past streams to justify this guy coming up and assaulting chud because

02:19:36.360 of what he did on other streams this use of force incident real quick real quick this use of force

02:19:43.080 incident is an isolated event and nothing really matters from before you can be a murderer a

02:19:49.160 terrible person that stuff isn't going to come in now let's because i talked about this with 0.57

02:19:52.960 let me just finish he said to him you're chimping out that's if you said to that guy he's chimping

02:20:00.100 out and for whatever reason he he takes that offense you have started a train of events

02:20:05.820 he didn't because that guy came up to him in this isolated incident of use of force

02:20:12.500 chud walked away the guy closed the distance he was the one that provoked then he punched

02:20:19.140 chud first chud responding or you're gonna chimp out does not give this guy the legal right to 0.94

02:20:25.880 punch him under some ambiguous fighting terms phrase we know nigger doesn't even constitute 0.98

02:20:30.540 for that so how is chipping out gonna constitute dude this is like this opens up man wait you're 0.98

02:20:36.960 constantly um you're restating my point without actual i never said he has the right to punch him

02:20:45.760 I've always thought provoked you're arguing

02:20:48.620 provoked and I'm saying he didn't

02:20:50.000 hear what I'm saying

02:20:52.000 I think he antagonized

02:20:55.000 the situation right

02:20:56.640 fighting words do not get on

02:20:58.660 I agree fighting

02:21:00.780 words do not give people the right

02:21:02.720 to assault you okay however

02:21:04.580 once we start there 0.86

02:21:06.740 and you get assaulted

02:21:08.400 it then doesn't give you the right

02:21:10.720 to use deadly force

02:21:12.240 that's the point so again

02:21:14.460 chud should have squabbled up or if you knew your squabble game was weak and you had to pull the

02:21:21.200 gun you should have never been in that situation so yes the guy's wrong for punching chud but chud

02:21:27.560 should have punched him back not use that's not proportional force and and and i'm telling you

02:21:33.340 i would love first of all here's the here's the yo this is not what i don't care about chud 0.99

02:21:37.100 if chud beats this case if a nigga lift a finger at me i'm killing him straight up like this this 0.98

02:21:42.480 If you think he's going to get off shooting a guy because a guy punched him. 0.99

02:21:47.680 By the way, there's no flurry of punches we heard.

02:21:50.080 We heard the guy hits him.

02:21:52.080 If he gets off by being able to legally shoot someone because someone punched him, let's end fist fights. 0.96

02:21:58.900 Because you punched me, I'm going to see you. 0.92

02:22:01.660 We're going to stay in the seventh heaven.

02:22:03.820 Okay. 0.99

02:22:05.060 Again, I asked you earlier, if a woman gets punched, does she have the justification to use deadly force?

02:22:12.200 you said it depends so the fact that you conceded and you said it depends you talked about already

02:22:18.420 already has it you can't compare it to a woman act you can't compare it to and not that's not

02:22:24.600 my point i'll real quick i'll go through this first you said because your argument is this 0.78

02:22:30.460 let me make sure i have this right a punch does not justify deadly force fair that's your position

02:22:36.440 Okay.

02:22:37.120 Then I asked you.

02:22:38.700 Also, Tennessee statute also say that if you were the antagonist,

02:22:44.040 it does not, you cannot use self-defense.

02:22:46.440 That is also true.

02:22:47.660 So there's many things going against him.

02:22:49.340 Hold on.

02:22:49.780 Okay.

02:22:50.440 Let's go through this again. 0.99

02:22:52.260 Your position is, Chud, one punch does not justify deadly force. 1.00

02:22:57.060 Fair? 0.65

02:22:58.520 Yes.

02:22:59.080 Okay. 1.00

02:22:59.460 Then I asked you, if the dude punched a girl that's 5'1", 100 pounds,

02:23:03.720 does that count?

02:23:04.420 does that justify her using deadly force you said it depends beautiful that proves so the fact that

02:23:10.140 you conceded on that means i'm right and let me explain why you're saying one punch doesn't just

02:23:15.060 you're right with a five percent possibility it's like if i told you if you could jump off

02:23:19.820 this building you have five percent chance of surviving bro it's unlikely possible yes is it

02:23:25.060 probable no okay act i'm not saying that to to say oh the woman is going to shoot i'm showing it to

02:23:33.660 illustrate that reasonableness based on the person that's using the force is the only thing that

02:23:40.140 matters so again me and you can't sit here right a monday morning quarterback and be like oh

02:23:45.680 hold on you're not admitting that percentage is very low like like again i gotta talk to you in

02:23:54.700 broad terms listen if if we had to get a and you've seen many of these incidents a hundred

02:24:00.440 incidents that you think a fist fight actually would um it would actually prove that it was

02:24:10.600 warranted to use a gun if there was a hundred fist fights how many do you think we would be

02:24:14.620 like oh okay it made sense for him to use a gun or no legally he was right to use a gun it would 0.94

02:24:19.680 be probably very few and far in between so for you arguing this for chud it's like huh you know 0.50

02:24:25.440 it's like arguing like yeah of course if i go to the casino and gamble there's a two percent chance

02:24:29.900 i win but most of them to lose no that that is yes with self-defense you are completely right 0.98

02:24:36.220 however when you try to apply that well you know if it was a woman would be a little bit different

02:24:40.020 it's not a woman let's use the variables that actually exist and even if you don't want to 0.98

02:24:44.480 use past variables let's just be honest which jury if you think you could seat a jury that's 0.80

02:24:51.200 gonna say hey he got punched once he's very in within his right to shoot that guy and try to

02:24:57.960 kill him you come on bro really okay who provoked this is there a possibility yes who provoked this 0.98

02:25:06.160 altercation um i'm still going with chud who closed the distance 0.99

02:25:13.400 if that's what you want to call the provocation i think i think it was provoked the the moment

02:25:19.760 he approached the guys they don't want to talk to him they didn't approach him they're not like you

02:25:23.420 So, hey, they're minding their business, even if they're laughing at you.

02:25:27.080 You try to have a conversation with them that they're not willing to do.

02:25:30.980 Hey, we don't want to talk to you.

02:25:31.860 I'm good.

02:25:32.600 We're good.

02:25:33.100 Okay.

02:25:33.980 Then he disengaged, right?

02:25:37.640 That I'm not too sure about, but I'll go with the story.

02:25:39.680 So he disengaged.

02:25:40.800 This is what the people that actually saw the stream said.

02:25:44.860 Eyewitnesses, several.

02:25:46.980 He walked away.

02:25:48.280 Does that mean violence?

02:25:49.380 Does that mean threats?

02:25:50.600 Even if they're like, hey, I'm just walking over you.

02:25:52.380 hey what would you say again is that a threat act let's just be honest bro this dude let me be

02:25:58.700 explicit this dude was the provoker he walked up to chud he antagonized chud chud has no duty

02:26:07.340 no but he didn't he didn't he didn't provoke he didn't say anything he said hey how you guys

02:26:12.780 doing today then they said hey get out of here you you can't be walking around here get the 0.97

02:26:16.520 fuck out of here and he walks away he walked away your words is provide like you're provoking me 0.99

02:26:23.900 with your words i know who you are i'm black the mere fact you even initiate this conversation 1.00

02:26:29.300 i again remember we're also talking self-defense here how do we can we objectively find out what's

02:26:35.740 provoking is provoking walking up to is provoking talking to he he didn't he didn't provoke them

02:26:41.340 he went up and said hello they told him get out of here he walked away and then the guy came after

02:26:47.340 they might have found that provoking if they're saying as soon as they say he says hello yo leave

02:26:54.080 please stop get away from us no because saying hello to someone is not provoking and then you

02:27:00.840 tell them get out of here and they walk away like bro like that's insane that is set an insane

02:27:07.380 standard if we could walk around and say oh saying hello is provocation dude it's not like the guy 0.95

02:27:13.040 the guy closed the gap on chud he said call me a chimp or a nigger then close it he followed him 0.72

02:27:21.520 when i say he closed the gap he followed him act he literally followed him he followed him and said 0.99

02:27:26.640 if you say that shit to me about chimp and hour a nigger dude i got ptsd chud says oh if we also 0.99

02:27:33.420 let me finish let me finish let me finish he walks up to him he says that shit then chud says 1.00

02:27:39.620 oh or what you're gonna chip out then he socks chud he punched him once now let's address the 0.99

02:27:44.740 second argument you said that one punch can't constitute as for to justify deadly force but

02:27:49.680 then i asked you well if a woman gets hit like that can she use deadly force you said it depends 0.96

02:27:54.160 beautiful that's my trap for you no you gotta let me finish you gotta let me finish you gotta 1.00

02:28:00.080 let me finish because you do this argument with the girls that come on your stream if like when

02:28:05.100 the girls come on after hours and they'll be like well i know this one guy his relationship you know

02:28:09.440 what you say to them we're talking generality it's not about the woman i'm saying that to

02:28:15.840 illustrate that's why i asked you on a um if we're talking about probabilities how many times

02:28:22.320 in how many cases have you ever seen it ever being justified that a punch equals is justified

02:28:28.980 i'm a gunshot on a range of probabilities probably like five percent or less so that's what i'm

02:28:36.320 saying like when you're saying well remember if it was you're changing up that you're changing up

02:28:40.380 all the variables to try to create this particular thing no where i'm not i'm probably

02:28:47.460 i'm switching the variables i'm switching the variable to show that your logic doesn't doesn't

02:28:53.280 apply again please let me finish bro i let you finish my time switch the variables

02:28:58.020 all right let me finish please because you're not letting me finish so i can bring this all

02:29:02.180 together you said a punch doesn't justify lethal force i said fine then i brought you know what 0.99

02:29:08.480 fuck the woman let's say it's a man with a pacemaker who let's say it's a dude with a 0.99

02:29:13.720 pacemaker he can't really take it's a one percent it's not about it's it's not about the one leg 1.00

02:29:20.500 go ahead let's say he has a pacemaker right if he gets hit with anything the pacemaker can stop

02:29:27.960 right you might say does he have a uh a justified um use of deadly force right because he could

02:29:36.440 potentially get punched in his pacemaker go down would you would it be fair to say he can use

02:29:40.220 deadly force after a punch yeah okay so the pacemaker here's the thing here's the thing

02:29:48.660 i didn't ask you that to see what does he have a pacemaker i'm trying to illustrate that you just

02:29:53.800 use, the metric I've been talking about. Is it reasonable? And that reasonableness, hold on,

02:30:00.920 hold on, hold on, hold on. That reasonableness act, this is so important. Please, bro. If you

02:30:05.520 hear anything out from me, hear this. That reasonable standard shifts based on the person

02:30:11.020 that used the force. Someone who's six foot three, 250 pounds might not be able to justify

02:30:17.640 lethal force after a punch, whereas someone who has a pacemaker, a man can justify it,

02:30:23.020 or a woman who's five foot one.

02:30:24.320 So what I'm trying to illustrate is the principle

02:30:26.120 that reasonableness is what dictates

02:30:28.300 if the shooting was good.

02:30:30.100 Neither me nor you are in a position to say

02:30:33.320 if Chud was justified and it was reasonable

02:30:36.100 because we don't know the facts

02:30:37.680 at the time he pulled the gun.

02:30:39.480 He could have seen a knife.

02:30:40.720 He could have heard his buddy saying, 1.00

02:30:41.920 kill that motherfucker. 1.00

02:30:42.860 He could have felt as though a guy 1.00

02:30:44.380 was trying to reach for his gun.

02:30:45.760 There's so many different factors, Zach,

02:30:47.800 that me and you don't know

02:30:48.960 that are critical to the reasonableness.

02:30:51.220 This is why self-defense cases almost always go to the stand.

02:30:56.420 Why did Kyle Rittenhouse testify?

02:30:58.480 He testified because only he can describe an excruciating detail precisely what was going through his mind as that guy came up with the skateboard and he decided to pull the finger on that AK-47 and kill him.

02:31:10.320 Only he can do that.

02:31:11.400 So the point I'm trying to make is reasonableness on the person using self-defense is what matters.

02:31:17.880 Me and your opinion is irrelevant.

02:31:19.680 I'm giving Chud, I'm not sitting here saying Chud is innocent. 0.54

02:31:22.800 What I am saying is that based on the facts and circumstances,

02:31:26.360 his reasonableness is going to be based on things that me and you don't know about.

02:31:30.920 Yeah, but here's the thing, though.

02:31:32.820 If we're going on, you know, just if we're going on probability, 0.94

02:31:39.260 just based on anything that you might know, currently, fucking cooked, right? 0.84

02:31:45.340 Like, no, it's cool saying he has a 5% chance. 0.93

02:31:47.660 Like, of course. 0.82

02:31:48.800 Like, if he has, like, yo, if you punch me in this corner of my mouth, 0.99

02:31:53.120 my doctor told me I'm going to pass out, I have a gun, he might kill me, 0.98

02:31:56.700 so I shot him, cool, that might be a really great defense. 1.00

02:31:59.440 From what we know, this is a 6'3 white guy who looks like he got a little bit of weight to him. 1.00

02:32:05.360 It doesn't look like that if you get punched by a random civilian, you could use your gun.

02:32:11.340 That's what I'm trying to establish.

02:32:12.760 Of course, he might have some loophole, it's fine, I'm not saying he can't.

02:32:15.420 what i'm saying is that let's not acknowledge that he did the right thing for the majority of people

02:32:20.400 that are going to be in his position he did the wrong thing he should have squabbled up but but

02:32:26.980 because he shot the guy he's gonna have to rely on one of these kooky ass things that you described 0.98

02:32:32.400 hey he has a pacemaker hey you never know maybe he thought he was like a girl and he can't deal 0.95

02:32:37.060 with a punch cool maybe that works but the reality of it is that this isn't open and shut for example

02:32:43.680 But you know what's open and shut?

02:32:44.660 We don't got to go to 10% or 5%.

02:32:46.620 Hey, the guy says, yo, you Chud? 0.61

02:32:50.180 Man, and he reaches. 0.78

02:32:52.120 I've been trying to get up with you. 0.76

02:32:54.520 Chud pulls out, shoots him. 0.96

02:32:56.540 That's going to be easy. 0.67

02:32:58.260 That's a 90% chance you're getting off.

02:33:00.980 What you're mentioning is that the guy couldn't take a punch, so he shot.

02:33:05.960 Yeah, he's going to spend maybe millions in legal fees

02:33:08.920 and probably still go to jail.

02:33:10.120 What I'm telling you is that we don't know how many times he got punched.

02:33:15.220 Okay.

02:33:15.720 He got punched one time and the camera fell and you can hear them struggling.

02:33:18.460 We don't know.

02:33:19.780 Again, again, again, you're a part.

02:33:22.380 You're saying you don't know, but you're certain that, you know, other parts.

02:33:25.120 You're like, I know, I know the guy approached him.

02:33:27.960 Maybe we don't know that either.

02:33:29.180 What I'm saying is that we do know that was on video act.

02:33:32.300 I know that.

02:33:32.780 Cause it was on video.

02:33:34.480 I haven't seen that video.

02:33:35.540 That's what I'm trying to tell you, bro.

02:33:37.240 Yo, there's video of this man.

02:33:38.780 He literally live shamed him.

02:33:40.280 Okay, so there's a video of a guy walking up to him.

02:33:41.760 Yes, yes.

02:33:43.740 The police are trying to subpoena it right now.

02:33:45.520 That's why I'm saying all this act.

02:33:46.920 Yo, the dude closed the distance on him, bruh.

02:33:49.160 And then he punched him.

02:33:50.280 And again, I know what you're saying.

02:33:51.280 It's subpoenaing the whole precursor to the altercation.

02:33:55.160 It shows everything before the altercation.

02:33:57.160 And then on top of that, after he punches him, the camera falls to the floor.

02:34:01.880 So you don't see what happens.

02:34:03.440 You just hear struggling for a few seconds.

02:34:05.380 Then shots go off.

02:34:07.420 That's important.

02:34:08.060 you could play it i don't have it pump fun i'll tell you why pump fun deleted it because it heard

02:34:15.040 gunshots they have automatic ai where if gunshots are heard on a stream it shuts it down like they

02:34:20.940 have some type of info if no one's seen it what was that wait how do we have the info on it if

02:34:27.260 like several people several people in my community saw the live stream that's why that's how i know

02:34:32.940 They watched it.

02:34:34.200 They were there watching it live as this all happened.

02:34:37.720 And then once the shots went off, the stream ended and Pump Fun took it off.

02:34:42.040 Well, again, I would still disagree with that just based off the arrest warrant.

02:34:48.540 Like what they're saying in the arrest warrant is that this guy is basically automatically on a,

02:34:55.680 I am going to inflict damage.

02:34:58.300 Some people might say defensive, the blade is stance or whatever.

02:35:00.600 He's reaching for something.

02:35:01.580 and i'm not gonna lie if if i put this in a vacuum if i'm standing in front of someone i

02:35:07.880 say i have the knowledge that this guy claims he's always armed and we're getting into it yo

02:35:13.920 say this yo yo i'm triggered by this if you say it i'm gonna crash out and all of a sudden he's

02:35:19.300 in a bladed stance and i see him going for this and i don't have a weapon i'm either gonna run

02:35:24.460 away be like whoa you got it or if if if i'm that bold i'm i'm trying to make sure you don't get

02:35:31.440 to the weapon so that in a vacuum let's let's i don't think that backs him up okay let's let's

02:35:37.360 assume that the dude sees let's use your scenario you still come at them when they said back up i

02:35:44.040 got a gun wouldn't it be fair to say that if they still strike you after you give them that warning

02:35:48.020 that they're trying to probably cause serious bodily injury because they know the risk of

02:35:51.240 you having a gun warning him too what's that see i don't know if he's warning him and that's where

02:35:54.900 this guy not being dead is going to come back and haunt him because you know why when that guy gets

02:35:59.800 on the stand as a victim who's alive and breathing and says hey what when he says he warned me and

02:36:08.020 and and and provocation is gonna then turn into a very who do you believe he says she said it's

02:36:15.300 gonna get racial now right because the guy is gonna say hey i didn't provoke him he provoked

02:36:20.800 me and i'm pretty sure dalton is gonna say no he provoked me and he wouldn't walk away

02:36:25.300 Okay, the video disproves it

02:36:29.000 And it shows that the guy walked up to him

02:36:30.620 And again, after he punched

02:36:33.000 Chud

02:36:34.380 The camera fell and we don't know what happened

02:36:36.600 You could just hear struggling

02:36:37.500 Then shots fired

02:36:38.840 So it wasn't one punch

02:36:41.300 But from the video

02:36:44.540 Could we see if he has a gun in his hand at that point

02:36:48.280 Because he punched him

02:36:49.720 He punched him and the camera fell

02:36:51.160 And then you hear them struggling on the side

02:36:52.580 So there's a possibility

02:36:54.600 that maybe he only got punched after Dalton grabbed,

02:37:02.520 might be pepper spray, but he grabbed something,

02:37:05.120 which I think is perfectly normal.

02:37:07.460 There's some people that there's fight and flight,

02:37:10.780 but there's some people that's not flighting.

02:37:12.880 Hey, you go grab for that weapon, you're getting one of these to the face.

02:37:17.120 Sure, but guess what?

02:37:18.420 He closed the distance, so he has no self-defense case.

02:37:20.740 That's the point.

02:37:21.300 He came up to Judd, lost.

02:37:24.960 No self-defense on his side.

02:37:27.220 But you're also, that's where you're starting to altercation at.

02:37:31.580 I'm starting to altercation at the conversation.

02:37:33.920 When he said hello?

02:37:36.780 Yeah.

02:37:38.040 I would say, I don't know exactly what he said,

02:37:40.720 but you approaching the guys at first, start all of this.

02:37:45.620 They pointed and laughed at him.

02:37:47.840 Then he came over to say hello.

02:37:49.120 then they said get out of here whatever he leaves

02:37:52.960 come on man if you really think high counts as provocation let's what are we doing here bro 0.79

02:37:59.420 come on man give black people more credit than that the real provocation started where the moment 0.74

02:38:04.920 he said i'm gonna be honest with you the moment he said oh or what you're gonna chimp out i'm gonna 0.91

02:38:11.880 be honest with you i think that dude socked him out with with one of them ancestor punches it

02:38:17.400 It came from Martin Luther King all the way to Marcus Garvey and Rosa Parks.

02:38:20.980 He had to do it, bro.

02:38:21.940 I can't.

02:38:22.900 Again.

02:38:23.920 Okay.

02:38:24.460 So he provoked it then.

02:38:25.820 He started to fight.

02:38:26.660 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

02:38:27.160 That dude Dalton.

02:38:27.960 So who started it then?

02:38:28.820 No, Dalton provoked it.

02:38:30.400 Dalton should have realized.

02:38:32.040 Dalton should have realized.

02:38:33.220 Listen, you're not only provoking a person.

02:38:35.900 You're provoking an entire race of people.

02:38:38.080 Bro, your rhetoric and you are all screaming, you could have avoided it.

02:38:42.480 None of that has to do with this use of force situation, bro.

02:38:45.140 You over here talking about MLK. 0.98

02:38:47.060 shit bro none of that has to do with this case i'm not saying it was right to punch him but i 1.00

02:38:51.500 understand if malcolm was like yo man knock this this racist ass bum out bum out now after he hits 1.00

02:38:58.560 you once if you want to go with your three percent like oh okay but what about if he had a pacemaker 0.99

02:39:04.260 he could have been a girl he can't handle a punch if that's what you want to go with by the way if 0.97

02:39:09.340 dalton had beat him down you know i would have said i promise you i would say yo yo y'all black 0.95

02:39:13.880 dude's pulling up on dalton better better know how to squabble because he yo he's putting you 1.00

02:39:19.540 know what you know how crazy would have been if he beat that nigga's ass but no he's a bitch he 1.00

02:39:23.720 pulled out his gun he tried to shoot the guy and kill him and here's the thing i don't have a problem 1.00

02:39:28.200 with you using your weapon because i have my weapon if i need to use it i want to be able to 0.99

02:39:31.700 use it but don't use it because you're antagonizing shit and can't fight you're too scared to fight 0.97

02:39:38.760 you're scared of anything physical and you think that the threat of this thing on your hip 0.99

02:39:43.480 It's going to protect people from punching you square in the mouth.

02:39:47.700 That's where he had it wrong.

02:39:49.100 Okay, let me ask you this.

02:39:49.940 If he had to come up with this guy, and if the guy reached for a gun, I promise you,

02:39:52.820 I wouldn't be, I'd be like, yo, yeah, that guy shouldn't have reached for a gun.

02:39:55.480 They know how Dalton get down.

02:39:57.020 Dalton murdered him, left his brain on the pavement.

02:39:59.580 I wouldn't like it, but I'd be like, yo, it is what it is.

02:40:02.060 The guy never pulled a gun. 1.00

02:40:03.740 Dalton is an entire pussy. 1.00

02:40:05.920 He pulled his gun, and because he can't handle one of these, I'm telling you, 1.00

02:40:10.300 it was like an ancestral 0.99

02:40:11.560 black history

02:40:13.760 we gotta okay bro I know you're trolling 0.77

02:40:16.360 now at this point

02:40:17.420 you're trolling you're on the henny right now bro

02:40:20.340 but bro's talking about Martin Luther King 1.00

02:40:22.160 and a bunch of shit like that yo act come on man 0.99

02:40:24.220 let's be serious in this case 0.99

02:40:26.060 these facts and circumstances

02:40:27.400 basically yo are you saying black people

02:40:30.180 can't have accountability bro if you say 1.00

02:40:32.100 chimp out they're gonna hit you like come on bro 0.50

02:40:34.260 like you're perpetuating the stereotypes 0.98

02:40:36.160 of everybody says bro oh are you gonna chimp out

02:40:38.320 and he punches them like bro this is why people 0.99

02:40:40.140 are tired of niggas bro i gotta keep it a thousand this is why people are tired of blacks 0.99

02:40:43.480 like they can't even take accountability imagine a world we're saying hey you're gonna chimp out 0.99

02:40:48.700 is fighting words that just get punched what mine i'm gonna tell you what world that is 0.79

02:40:54.520 the world is every time i've watched nico he's like everybody hold hands let's come together

02:40:59.600 let's pray to allah this and third and then i looked over israel they put his face on a bomb

02:41:03.620 okay so in in the real world i haven't seen sneaker done nothing to nobody but they'll put

02:41:08.800 his face on a bomb and drop it on a city that's way less than some guy saying a word than getting

02:41:13.980 punched in the face yes when you have words even if it's not violent other people meet those words 0.98

02:41:20.780 if they feel what you're saying is violent or disrespectful or offensive they meet that with 0.98

02:41:26.100 violence okay it's not black people because let me ask you a question do you think what that black 0.70

02:41:30.960 guy did to to chud i didn't know israel was putting sneaker's name on bombs what do you think 0.95

02:41:37.200 it's worse so so so when you say that only black people do that it looked like other people do it

02:41:43.100 too all right i think i could google it they put sneeko's name on a bomb and sneeko has never i've

02:41:48.460 never seen him physically harm anybody that's jewish but you know why he got the rhetoric that

02:41:54.380 they don't like it's offensive to them and in their response to that offense is not by saying 0.98

02:42:00.940 you know what we're mature they're saying put his name on a bond and let's go kill some people 0.54

02:42:05.720 that's true right act they put my name on a bomb too they think the same about you that's what i'm 0.99

02:42:12.160 saying so what i'm saying is that you're saying there's only black people that are triggered to

02:42:16.860 violence well what about the jewish people that you have rhetoric that don't go along with them 0.99

02:42:21.700 they put your names on bombs and inflict violence with it it's not just black people it's everybody 1.00

02:42:28.100 when it comes to offense people just think that black people are pussy and they should not be 1.00

02:42:33.040 able to do anything when they're offended but when you offend jewish people your name is a bomb 1.00

02:42:37.100 okay so let me just be right let me okay let me get this straight are you comparing

02:42:42.620 a self-defense case to a geopolitical catastrophe quagmire in the middle east

02:42:49.540 it doesn't start off as a self-defense case it starts off as one man trying to have racial

02:42:55.860 division one man who's trying to defend a whole different race you're comparing

02:43:00.160 Israel Palestine to this?

02:43:01.920 Yes. 0.62

02:43:02.340 Hold on.

02:43:03.000 Wait, hear what I'm saying. 1.00

02:43:05.580 Sneeko is a fucking irrelevant commentator. 1.00

02:43:08.000 Why are they putting his name on a bomb? 1.00

02:43:09.660 Just like how Chud is an irrelevant streamer. 0.90

02:43:14.120 But you know why?

02:43:15.220 Their rhetoric matters that much to the offended people that your name is on a bomb. 0.61

02:43:21.700 This guy's rhetoric, Chud, matters that much. 0.98

02:43:25.040 That's why you're getting punched in the mouth. 0.98

02:43:27.280 Yes. 0.98

02:43:27.800 It's the same thing.

02:43:28.680 I get it.

02:43:29.100 You want to say this thing overseas is bigger?

02:43:31.860 Granted, I get it.

02:43:32.820 I get it just boils down to one self-defense case in this situation.

02:43:36.200 But the point is this.

02:43:37.580 If you picked any group of people that have any self-pride and you pick on them and you target them with racial epithets,

02:43:45.040 if you target them with slurs and you try to offend and oppress them, especially using language, 0.99

02:43:52.140 at some point they're going to slap you in your face, punch in your mouth, or put a bullet in your forehead. 0.99

02:43:58.040 ask charlie kirk okay again um you're comparing self-defense in america to israel palestine 0.99

02:44:07.520 which is those two things okay that is not analogous what those two things are not analogous

02:44:13.560 whatsoever like defending yourself defending yourself in a fight is not the same as a 100

02:44:25.080 plus year war it's the offense it's the offense because sneaker has never fought here's what i'm

02:44:30.180 saying yeah if people if what does it have to do with self-defense though hear what i'm saying no

02:44:35.880 hear what i'm saying i'm not justifying why somebody punched chud but it's the reason why

02:44:41.700 you you said you said black people that's it like are they not mature enough to not do that and i

02:44:48.720 said every race or group of people when they get enough disrespect they react violently

02:44:56.260 israel like like i guarantee even your people of sudan if the disrespect either from neighboring

02:45:03.000 countries or whoever they've you know been into it with got to a certain level violence would occur

02:45:08.720 so i'm not defending violence but to act and that's the sneaker's point like oh you're justifying it

02:45:14.080 you're not defending it you're justifying it and that's my point no it's not justifying it is

02:45:18.120 understand the realities of the world right the realities of why sneaker says hey well listen

02:45:23.120 why is the fbi publishing this manifesto of the san diego shooter well you well didn't you also

02:45:29.400 say that word shouldn't mean nothing so who cares about the words that's that's not my argument

02:45:34.060 again you know act i'm trying to be very um patient on this and just keep look we are talking

02:45:40.800 We are debating self-defense in a specific case based around a specific individual in a specific case with a specific pattern of facts.

02:45:53.680 We are not talking about Israel-Palestine.

02:45:56.000 That is completely not analogous to the situation. 0.98

02:45:58.740 Your argument is if you talk shit about a people that have been oppressed. 0.97

02:46:02.360 Hold on. 0.98

02:46:03.200 Your argument, let me make sure I have this correct. 0.98

02:46:04.620 you're saying if you talk shit about a group of people who have been oppressed 0.91

02:46:09.520 you deserve to get assaulted is that your position no i said at some point you're 0.99

02:46:15.040 going to run into someone who will assault you fair fair that person that assaults you 0.95

02:46:20.420 shouldn't they go to jail uh depend on what disrespect you're doing and how much you're

02:46:28.100 feeding into it he didn't disrespect them hold on he didn't disrespect them though he walked away

02:46:35.300 He walked away, Ak.

02:46:37.420 For example, if this guy was just online, there's another racist guy.

02:46:40.700 No, no, no.

02:46:41.180 Hold on.

02:46:41.940 Hold on.

02:46:43.580 No, no, no.

02:46:44.220 We're going to get into that.

02:46:44.880 We're going to get into that.

02:46:45.860 Bro, he didn't provoke this guy.

02:46:48.400 Wait, wait, wait.

02:46:48.880 No, Myron, we're going to get into that.

02:46:50.380 What I'm trying to say is that there's another guy.

02:46:52.520 He even fought on Aiden's brand risk event. 0.95

02:46:54.580 He's not outside provoking black people. 1.00

02:46:57.360 He stays in his room. 1.00

02:46:59.280 He gets on Monkey.

02:47:00.180 He says it anywhere.

02:47:01.580 He says whatever.

02:47:02.340 People don't like it, right?

02:47:04.020 But there isn't like there isn't this guy who's now provoking maybe a possible physical altercation because he understands the more you say that you keep stepping outside and doing it in people's faces.

02:47:19.140 Yes. By the way, I've always said the person who's going to do something to this guy, they're going to acknowledge that they're getting an assault charge.

02:47:26.640 of course yes they're gonna say you know what i'm gonna take a simple assault and go get a hundred

02:47:33.400 thousand on go fund me that's what chud even responded to me because i said listen i'm not

02:47:38.660 saying it's legal for someone to do it but when you offend a group and trust me i know people

02:47:43.240 think that you know you know whether it's african americans or black people but i feel like he's

02:47:47.820 attacking people that share black skin it's not even about you know it's one thing if you're like

02:47:52.620 yo you're stripping all the accountability from black people and what you're arguing right now is 0.98

02:47:57.540 if you if you if you insult a black person you should expect to get punched and that's precisely 0.98

02:48:03.260 the problem if you well okay so i'll say this on the record if you insult black people as a 0.98

02:48:12.340 collective okay consistently okay expect something bad to happen to you i just don't know who will 0.78

02:48:19.260 be the radical who do it let's go with that let's go with that let's go with that let's go with that 1.00

02:48:24.000 okay all right okay let's go with that you're saying if you talk shit about black people 0.99

02:48:30.880 right yeah i you're you're saying it's not legal but someone's gonna hurt you fair 0.99

02:48:36.060 yes okay do you have the right to defend yourself if that happens then

02:48:40.940 uh you uh you do case closed you lost all right that's it bro the case closed case

02:48:48.300 yo like hold on wait close bro you're missing a bunch of things you're missing a bunch of things

02:48:54.820 i i'll use i'll use personal examples okay people might think i antagonize rappers right

02:49:00.100 no no because you missed you missed a bunch of steps if i go out to like a little baby concert

02:49:08.380 and i try to engage with him antagonize him right and then he does something or someone

02:49:14.700 with him does something then I react at that point I'm provoking him you see that's what we

02:49:21.560 have to understand about the people like Chud and others you're provoking people in real life

02:49:26.960 not behind your computer in real life in their face and the stakes are usually getting a fight

02:49:34.360 or getting shot so this idea of like like for example no if someone broke into Chud's house

02:49:39.640 and killed him I wouldn't be like oh this is great I'd be like oh that's actually a problem

02:49:44.120 That's not a good thing, right?

02:49:45.980 Like, you know, again, if he's not in the act of provoking someone,

02:49:50.380 I don't think someone should just murder the guy.

02:49:52.520 I wouldn't stand for that.

02:49:53.260 He didn't provoke, though.

02:49:54.720 He didn't provoke.

02:49:55.500 Well, that's where we're going to have a difference of opinion.

02:49:57.660 I think every time that boy stepped out in public with a camera in hand,

02:50:01.800 he was always provoking.

02:50:03.260 That's irrelevant.

02:50:04.080 Always.

02:50:04.360 He did not provoke on the day this incident happens.

02:50:08.060 That's all that matters, Ack.

02:50:10.020 The only thing that matters, Ack, is did he provoke him on that day?

02:50:15.260 The answer is no.

02:50:16.420 And by your own admission, even if you're even.

02:50:21.600 No, no, no.

02:50:22.380 I'll tell you why it's no for you, because you've already stated on the record.

02:50:25.240 If someone said the N-word to you, you wouldn't feel that offended.

02:50:27.920 If someone said it to me, that would be beyond fighting words.

02:50:30.520 Okay.

02:50:31.040 And I'm an online person.

02:50:31.920 And then, okay. 1.00

02:50:32.920 So you would punch them. 1.00

02:50:34.080 Would you punch them? 0.99

02:50:35.360 If I ran into Dalton, if I ran into Dalton, I would almost think any unwarranted conversation with him is him provoking. 0.92

02:50:42.600 Okay, now does that give you the right to punch him?

02:50:44.360 I know what you do.

02:50:45.140 Does that give you the right to punch him?

02:50:46.200 We have nothing to talk about.

02:50:46.960 Okay, so then.

02:50:47.880 Dalton, we have nothing to talk about, Dalton.

02:50:49.820 Okay, you say that. 1.00

02:50:51.100 Dalton, I don't fuck with you. 1.00

02:50:52.740 Okay, have a good day. 1.00

02:50:54.060 Walk away.

02:50:55.000 Are you justified in walking up to him again and saying, yeah, I got PTSD.

02:50:58.880 Call me a chance to...

02:50:59.540 Mike, if that's what it is, that might get a sticky a little bit.

02:51:01.480 That's what happened.

02:51:03.040 That's what happened, Dak.

02:51:04.000 you're acting like this is this is like a slam dunk exoneration case i'm saying that based on

02:51:09.940 everything we've mentioned we mentioned a lot right now yeah i think he has at best 15 really

02:51:16.940 good explanations for a few hurdles he has to get out of right i told you the main hurdles using

02:51:22.360 deadly force um did you incite or provoke no again all right so so again if everything falls your way

02:51:32.200 I still don't see this as, oh, this is 85%, he beats it.

02:51:36.380 I see this as, oh, 15%, and, you know, if things fall his way

02:51:41.640 and we find out more facts, I'm not saying he can't,

02:51:43.940 but all I wanted you to admit was that, you see,

02:51:48.540 people are supporting this guy because they're emboldened by him

02:51:51.280 because they would never do what he did.

02:51:53.320 But you also are doing a disservice by not just admitting 1.00

02:51:57.000 what he did was fucking stupid. 1.00

02:52:00.560 he played the dumbest game and right now i know a guy got shot he's recovering but he's sitting in 1.00

02:52:06.880 jail eating a bunch of bullshit and it's all right and the prosecutors want to keep him till 1.00

02:52:12.620 track we're going all over the place bro we got to keep it factual okay on this i'm making the 0.99

02:52:17.140 argument on this specific narrow scope of this self-defense argument now when it comes to self

02:52:24.940 defense bro there's five checks okay innocence imminence proportionality avoidance and reasonableness

02:52:31.940 and i'll go through each of them innocence did he have a right to be there yes imminence did the guy

02:52:39.020 did he get attacked or was there a reasonable expectation that there might be some serious

02:52:43.180 bodily injury yes he got punched avoidance hold on hold on let me just finish you gotta let me

02:52:49.740 you gotta let me finish bro no there's five i'm gonna skip that point two point two works for

02:52:54.060 both parties act act hold on there's five things in self-defense that literally i had this talk 0.82

02:52:58.940 with the self-defense lawyer best in the fucking country i'm agree with you i'm just saying point 0.66

02:53:02.100 two works for both but you're only thinking about chud because you're aligned with chud mostly 0.83

02:53:05.660 if you're saying that there was an imminent i think i even tweeted out i said everybody should

02:53:12.200 approach this guy with caution he is sending out rhetoric and he is saying he is down to commit

02:53:18.380 murder if anyone has that knowledge when they see him there is imminent threat why does that

02:53:24.840 apply to the person that would be on the opposite side of the gun how come only dalton could feel

02:53:29.440 threatened no again let's go through it one more time innocence was he legally there yes okay

02:53:35.440 imminence he got punched in the face okay proportionality we can have an arguing about

02:53:41.040 about that one because we don't know how many what went down after the camera fell

02:53:44.820 Avoidance.

02:53:45.620 He tried to walk away.

02:53:47.280 Reasonableness.

02:53:48.120 Well, we don't know what Dalton knew at the time he pulled the trigger.

02:53:51.860 But for all the other things, right, he pretty much had a right to be there,

02:53:56.740 and that other guy closed the gap on him, punched him,

02:54:00.400 so now the eminence factor is met.

02:54:02.300 He had a right to be there,

02:54:03.460 but the other thing seems like it's going to be heavily debated,

02:54:06.340 and that's where I say, like, you know, I see a bunch of these guys.

02:54:08.820 Okay, so you don't think he followed him?

02:54:09.880 You don't think he followed him?

02:54:13.280 Um...

02:54:14.240 I don't think that has nothing to do with a threat.

02:54:16.340 If you say something to me, hold on, hold on, hold on.

02:54:19.720 If you're walking by and you say something and I don't hear it, right?

02:54:24.940 I'm making up a fake scenario.

02:54:26.540 And I walk over to you and be like, bro, what'd you say?

02:54:29.300 So now you're saying that I'm not the person that's, you, it's not like you're minding your business.

02:54:35.920 You say something to me and then I walk over.

02:54:39.360 I didn't say he walks over with his fist in his hand.

02:54:41.800 He walks over.

02:54:42.560 Hey, bro, what'd you say?

02:54:43.880 That's how I'm thinking about it.

02:54:44.840 That's not what he said.

02:54:45.580 At that point.

02:54:46.500 He walked right up into his face.

02:54:48.420 He walked right up into his face and said, 0.99

02:54:50.440 call me a nigger. 1.00

02:54:51.320 Say I'm going to chimp out. 1.00

02:54:52.720 I got PTSD.

02:54:53.780 And he gets right in front of him.

02:54:56.620 Like, literally right in front of him.

02:54:58.660 So, that's what happened.

02:55:01.280 When you say even avoidance,

02:55:02.760 I'm thinking Chud says to him,

02:55:05.560 hey, bro, leave me alone.

02:55:07.600 I'm trying to get out of here.

02:55:08.900 Avoidance can be demonstrated

02:55:10.040 by simply walking away and disengaging.

02:55:12.100 That's what avoidance is.

02:55:13.300 bro no matter how you slice this your boy's in the wrong bro he walked up to chud and started a

02:55:19.200 fight he walked up to chud act the person wrong is the person wrong is chud and the reason why

02:55:25.620 no your guy is wrong he walked up to chud created a situation he created a situation that

02:55:32.580 you need these micro possibilities for him to actually believe um for him to be

02:55:39.500 exonerate him. Yo, Ak, this dude

02:55:41.420 put on social media.

02:55:45.080 He's charged

02:55:45.760 because there's an enormous amount of

02:55:47.620 public pressure to charge him

02:55:49.700 and put him in jail because it's a race

02:55:51.680 battle. Bro, we all know 0.77

02:55:53.480 shit like this. Whenever a black person 1.00

02:55:55.780 gets shot or whatever, they're gonna... 0.99

02:55:58.100 What? What happens when he gets

02:55:59.640 indicted? You're gonna say the same

02:56:01.700 thing? Okay. Me and you both

02:56:03.760 know probable cause, especially at the state level, is

02:56:05.700 a very small barrier. It's a

02:56:07.680 very small barrier. You don't need much.

02:56:09.500 to get probable cause.

02:56:10.400 There's a reason why they say

02:56:11.220 you can indict a ham sandwich.

02:56:12.720 If we were talking about a Fed case,

02:56:14.520 eh, that'd be a bit different.

02:56:15.940 But bro, when it comes to state cases, 1.00

02:56:18.460 niggas can arrest you for anything 1.00

02:56:19.480 and file paperwork a month later, bro. 1.00

02:56:20.920 It's the Wild West with these guys.

02:56:22.320 So completely different.

02:56:24.280 And again, he walked up to Chud.

02:56:26.480 He closed the distance. 0.85

02:56:27.760 He gets in his face.

02:56:29.120 He antagonizes. 1.00

02:56:30.400 He punches Chud. 0.99

02:56:31.580 Chud is 100% within his right 0.99

02:56:33.320 to fucking use force. 0.99

02:56:34.780 And we don't know 0.99

02:56:35.980 why he decided to use deadly force,

02:56:37.840 but only he can talk about that because we don't know what transpired

02:56:40.840 because the camera fell and you can hear them struggling in the background.

02:56:44.220 I think they went to the ground.

02:56:45.580 But either way, being on the ground obviously is another deadly situation.

02:56:49.360 So we don't know.

02:56:50.760 But the bottom line here is your guy is 1,000% in the wrong

02:56:55.920 because he followed Chud.

02:56:58.460 Once he followed Chud, he lost every self-defense argument.

02:57:02.600 Myron, you don't believe that because there is –

02:57:05.500 and by the way, I believe there's an assault charge for him.

02:57:07.360 So do you think he followed him or not?

02:57:08.600 Do you think he followed him or not?

02:57:11.760 Actually not.

02:57:12.640 I think they were already engaged.

02:57:13.080 Okay, what do you think happened then?

02:57:14.360 I think that's why me and you can't agree

02:57:15.920 because you have a different fact pattern.

02:57:18.560 What do you think?

02:57:19.000 Tell me what you think happened then.

02:57:20.440 What do you think happened from beginning to end?

02:57:22.180 So what I believe happened is that they're already engaged.

02:57:26.120 So I'm not following you.

02:57:27.160 If you start an argument with me, right,

02:57:29.300 and then you choose to conveniently just walk away,

02:57:32.600 I don't know, for whatever reason,

02:57:35.040 it doesn't mean that the argument is complete.

02:57:37.360 Oh, but what's your fact pattern though? Tell me, cause I gave you mine.

02:57:41.340 I told you that he, I believe the provocation was before he walks.

02:57:45.720 I've watched him do this.

02:57:46.900 He'll say some stuff that's a little bit triggering and he'll walk away.

02:57:50.900 And yes, at times people do follow him to be like, what did you say?

02:57:55.240 Like, yo, Hey, listen, don't talk to me like that.

02:57:58.340 I think he's in a wrong.

02:57:59.700 But here's the thing. He didn't just follow him, bro.

02:58:02.600 He followed him and got in his face and then made threats.

02:58:06.060 Big difference.

02:58:08.040 I hate to say it, bro, but you cannot walk up to somebody and strike them.

02:58:14.780 That's what he did.

02:58:16.940 Chud didn't provoke anything.

02:58:18.000 He walked away.

02:58:20.380 Byron, what I'm saying is that you're giving bad advice because—

02:58:25.240 I'm not giving advice.

02:58:26.180 I'm just saying for this case.

02:58:27.460 No, no, no, no.

02:58:28.420 We're even just like—

02:58:29.520 I'm just analyzing this case.

02:58:31.000 correctly because if anyone takes this advice or takes this as actual like oh no i'm in the right

02:58:37.460 they're all going to jail every single one of them the point is and what i would like to tell people 0.94

02:58:43.460 hey listen i'm one of those people that pop a lot of shit and i have to walk outside 0.99

02:58:47.340 listen i have my concealed carry i know i can't shoot somebody who tries to troll me who tries 0.99

02:58:54.720 to like swing at me i know there has to be some actual reason behind it and if you are that guy

02:59:00.340 who wants to be that provocateur all right go get security or learn how to fight your weapon your

02:59:05.880 weapon is not it's not the excuse to not fight okay that's a guy who's unarmed a guy who's unarmed

02:59:12.140 who swung at you like listen i got swung in miami it was no i get that look see you're you're you're

02:59:20.480 looking at this from your lens you believe you should squabble here's the thing we don't know

02:59:25.720 what happened to chud like he might have not been able to squabble we don't know there's so many

02:59:30.280 different factors that went down because from what i understand they also went to the floor

02:59:34.000 which changes things well apparently the gunshots were already fired by the time they got to the

02:59:40.120 floor so i don't know well again i know that we heard several gunshots after this guy punched

02:59:46.260 them okay how about this act take me through what you think happened i think that's why we're having

02:59:50.840 a uh you know

02:59:52.700 disagreement on this

02:59:54.080 I don't know what happened to my stream

02:59:56.980 I'm trying to get it back up

02:59:57.960 I'll take a quick piss while you do that

03:00:00.280 I'll be right back

03:00:01.260 yeah I can put it back up

03:00:04.260 chat let me know if you guys are good

03:00:20.840 my bad i'm trying to figure out if it's a problem with the um

03:00:29.820 the product i try to restream with like it's actually called restream but we uh send the

03:00:37.940 stream out to multiple places trying to figure out if that's the problem or it's not my internet

03:00:43.040 because i was still able to connect with him like during that so it's not that so i feel

03:00:48.020 like it's re-streaming are you back i'm back bro uh you said um do you get the kick thing handle

03:00:54.720 because i'm looking at your stream too it says offline uh it should be good now chat let me know

03:01:01.080 if you guys are back on yeah take your time bro it's fine it might just take a second yeah no

03:01:06.780 worries um okay yeah i think it's coming back up give me one second let's grab water right

03:01:13.200 all right cool um all right let me read some super chats while you guys are here

03:01:18.000 act would literally argue a self-defense lawyer that's from papay zoner world says kick this guy 0.99

03:01:22.360 off the pot die he's my guy man your boy i gotta stop drinking uh thank you mario this shit is 0.99

03:01:26.640 entertaining axe heart rate is higher than his IQ could watch cop shoot but yeah this you know 0.99

03:01:30.680 guys be nice bro be nice guys you know i don't know maybe like your audience is like looking

03:01:37.340 from a different i feel like you're arguing the unpopular position here i haven't seen many

03:01:41.640 I have seen self-defense lawyers who say hey listen no it is possible for him to beat but

03:01:46.180 no one is saying that oh this is like clear self-defense and that's what you're kind of like 0.99

03:01:50.360 trying to put across it's like no it's not this guy's an idiot he actually put himself in a 0.98

03:01:55.780 position and had to give me give me give me your so let's go through this I gave you my 0.99

03:02:00.560 I gave you the facts that were told to me by eyewitnesses that watch the stream for those

03:02:05.720 that just joined here's the fact pattern he's there uh by the courthouse he sees some people 0.99

03:02:10.820 pointing at him he walks up to them says hello one of them makes a comment about get the fuck

03:02:15.000 out of here he's like okay i could be wherever i want walks away one of the people that said 0.97

03:02:19.880 said that walk up to him as he walks up to him he gets right in his face almost nose to nose 0.99

03:02:25.340 says hey say that p uh say that nigger and chimping out shit to me see what happens i got 1.00

03:02:29.860 ptsd and then chud says oh or what you're gonna chimp out as soon as he says that punched camera 1.00

03:02:36.580 balls to the floor we hear um some struggle some struggle some sound from there uh you hear chutz

03:02:42.840 saying like get him off you blah blah and then you hear shots fired right so that's the fact

03:02:47.600 pattern that eyewitnesses told me now what's your fact pattern because i think that's why me and you

03:02:52.020 are not agreeing what's your fact pattern so um it was always from what i've seen online

03:03:00.360 he's i don't know if he's walking outside court or whatever but he's there he puts these guys on

03:03:07.600 camera um okay maybe they were laughing and maybe they weren't and um he's saying whatever he's

03:03:14.680 saying what did he say though this is important what did he say though this is super important

03:03:19.120 well not too sure if that's important well let me finish the rest and you tell me if it's important

03:03:23.620 all right basically it's at that point because these guys turned down having a conversation with

03:03:30.720 him like we're good we don't want to talk right so like he okay let's say he's saying what's up

03:03:35.300 they don't want to talk right and they basically then tell him like hey listen

03:03:40.860 seeing some of the stuff you do hey if you if you do that type of stuff with us

03:03:46.320 or maybe a guy the guy said himself if you do that with me i have ptsd

03:03:53.620 It's not going to turn out good.

03:03:56.440 Chud then says that.

03:03:59.220 After that, the dude assaults him 100%.

03:04:02.320 Chud, after getting assaulted, pulls out a gun and tries to execute the man.

03:04:08.580 Okay.

03:04:09.420 What it says is that man is guilty of assault, but Chud is guilty of attempted murder.

03:04:14.400 He tried to murder a guy who did not.

03:04:16.840 It is not a proportional force. 0.97

03:04:19.560 He just literally is a trigger-happy thug.

03:04:21.780 Keep in mind, the police did not have the pump fund when they made the arrest

03:04:26.820 because they literally made the arrest within hours.

03:04:28.500 They did not have the pump fund stream at that point.

03:04:30.900 So they used a problem to cause arrest.

03:04:33.120 They had him in custody for hours.

03:04:34.760 They didn't have the footage.

03:04:37.420 Yeah, they didn't have the footage, though.

03:04:39.720 That's the point.

03:04:40.500 And again, like I said, high-profile cases like this, racially charged,

03:04:43.340 they're going to go ahead.

03:04:43.960 Now, let's go back through your scenario because there's a couple things

03:04:46.320 that are missing.

03:04:48.080 You said he went up to them and said hello.

03:04:50.300 Fair?

03:04:51.120 You agree with that?

03:04:53.420 What else did he say?

03:04:55.080 Okay, so let's go through your fact pattern again.

03:04:57.900 He walks up to them.

03:04:58.640 What did he say?

03:05:00.840 He's saying, what up?

03:05:01.660 Like, yo, let's go.

03:05:02.260 Fair.

03:05:02.660 You're trying to start a conversation. 1.00

03:05:04.260 Okay, they say get the fuck out of here. 0.98

03:05:06.000 Then what? 0.98

03:05:10.300 Then he continues.

03:05:12.500 So he continues to, I don't believe he just walks away.

03:05:15.460 I believe he continues to try to engage, and that's when,

03:05:19.420 because it would make no sense. 0.96

03:05:21.180 Why say get the fuck out of here if you're going to try to stalk him down 0.99

03:05:25.360 to try to engage with him? 0.99

03:05:27.500 Okay.

03:05:28.120 Let me see here.

03:05:30.180 Because I got the thing here from someone that watched the stream.

03:05:33.320 So do you agree that the guy followed him?

03:05:38.460 No.

03:05:39.440 Okay.

03:05:40.000 I think the guy approached him.

03:05:41.480 But if you want to call that followed, maybe.

03:05:43.100 But the guy approached him after carrying it down that he does not want to do a conversation with Chuck.

03:05:52.620 Okay.

03:05:53.340 So, because this is very important to act.

03:05:56.340 We have to make sure we have this part rock solid.

03:05:59.080 He comes up, says hello.

03:06:00.300 They say, get out of here.

03:06:01.120 He walks away.

03:06:04.500 Did the guy follow him or not in your narrative?

03:06:09.040 I think the guy approached him.

03:06:10.900 And that's what I'm saying. 0.96

03:06:11.720 Did he approach him as Chud was walking away? 0.80

03:06:16.260 I don't believe that.

03:06:17.180 I think Chud was trying to have a conversation.

03:06:19.240 So you think he just stood there the whole time?

03:06:21.280 You don't think he walked away?

03:06:23.140 Stood there or in the vicinity, not clearly like, hey,

03:06:25.620 I'm trying to not deal with you guys anymore.

03:06:28.700 Because his job is to get these altercations.

03:06:32.940 I've watched him.

03:06:33.840 Again, we have to use some of his past.

03:06:35.800 Again, we're assuming here.

03:06:36.720 We've got to use some of his past against him.

03:06:38.400 It's not like he's like, hey,

03:06:39.720 you guys want to talk and they say have you ever seen that where he says hey y'all want to talk

03:06:43.720 and they say no and he says oh okay later he usually pushes a conversation i've seen him with 0.98

03:06:48.100 a white guy where he says oh you must be an n-word lover oh blah blah oh you want him liberal cucks 0.85

03:06:52.960 like he he pushes the conversation that's what gets him clicks he's not the hey let me invite 0.94

03:06:59.640 you for a mutually engaging conversation if you're down to do it let's talk if you're not

03:07:04.940 down to do it i'll walk away peacefully that's what you've seen about chad yeah i'm gonna show

03:07:09.300 you what i what i'm uh what i mean now because i literally i'll show you the tweet and other people

03:07:13.840 in my community confirm this for me let me share a screen and show you real fast

03:07:17.020 all right can you see that on your screen yeah okay so this comes from the facts according to

03:07:27.740 over 100 witnesses watching the stream chud told the guy i hope your day gets better god bless

03:07:32.100 chud had already walked away it was about 70 to 100 yards away the man went out of his way to run

03:07:37.000 up to chad while his back was turned he confronted chad he punched out in the face chad didn't

03:07:41.080 instigate anything that's basically what happened and this comes from over 100 witnesses that saw

03:07:45.620 the live stream 100 witnesses looking from his pov but the but the arrest warrant comes from the

03:07:51.960 police officers looking at surveillance come on no well here's here's the thing i'm not i'm not

03:07:57.020 gonna be like hey i believe the cops with everything but it's like hey so when did they

03:08:03.320 observe him in a bladed stance reaching for a weapon they didn't right because it's his pov

03:08:08.360 they don't know what's happening behind the camera or to the side or the peripheral like i said

03:08:12.240 before he has mace uses mace mace or not you as you said is what the person thought at the time 0.88

03:08:19.780 hey this guy says leave the chimps brain on the pavement yeah i'm not thinking he's reaching for 0.77

03:08:23.660 mace i'm thinking he's reaching for a gun so yeah i socked him in the mouth that doesn't justify 0.99

03:08:28.800 why are you walking up to them, punching them? 0.97

03:08:30.400 Like, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

03:08:31.980 Like, Chud has the right to defend himself.

03:08:34.560 If the guy comes back towards him

03:08:35.700 and he takes a blade of stance and reaches,

03:08:37.860 he has the right to do that.

03:08:38.980 And the dude's still got in his face.

03:08:40.820 Bro, the guy you're defending is wrong in every way.

03:08:43.360 You cannot initiate the altercation and walk up to him.

03:08:47.020 Chud walked away.

03:08:48.260 He disengaged.

03:08:49.480 Once he disengaged-

03:08:50.120 Hold on, I'm not saying the guy was right.

03:08:51.340 What I'm saying is that I think he should be charged 1.00

03:08:55.460 with assault and Chud has the right charges.

03:08:58.800 attempted murder hey we're defending himself the point is this we're defending himself you should

03:09:02.960 not you cannot shoot listen you got punched in the face i'm listen we we should probably i want

03:09:09.180 a lawyer to actually like and again we're not talking about this one percent possibility like

03:09:13.300 oh no it was a girl what about if the person weighed twice the amount what about if they

03:09:17.340 have a pacemaker what about it like that's not my argument on a balance of probabilities

03:09:22.500 if you get punched like again you know a lot of people look at you in terms of yo yo

03:09:28.620 Myron knows the law. You would not recommend to your audience that if they are legally licensed

03:09:34.720 to carry a gun, if they got punched, they should shoot the person. That would be just sending them 0.89

03:09:39.640 to jail. It doesn't work like that. Again, getting punched in the face, 0.86

03:09:44.600 the reaction to that is relative and subjective. This is why the law is written where,

03:09:50.380 is it reasonable? Me and you do not know the facts of what happened after he punched.

03:09:55.900 When I talked about the pacemaker and the women, that's not the point act.

03:09:59.760 The point was to establish that you even made concessions and said, oh, well, those people might have a justification to use deadly force. 0.93

03:10:06.740 That proves my point.

03:10:07.960 So is it reasonable based on the individual that was assaulted, bro?

03:10:11.320 That's all it is.

03:10:12.640 You're really complicating this like big time.

03:10:14.640 No, no, no. Me agreeing with you is like saying, hey, listen, yes, in any self-defense, you know, if you're going to use self-defense as a thing, you could probably try to justify it.

03:10:27.600 my thing to you was hey could you if on a balance of probabilities on how often you think that would

03:10:35.980 be successful I'm not saying it won't be successful here but would you give the opinion or the advice

03:10:44.120 to someone that potentially is in Chud's position let's say we're removing other variables we're

03:10:50.340 just going to call them unknown we don't know who approached who we don't know whatever all we know

03:10:54.560 is a punch to the face all we know is a punch to the face do you advise a person who has a weapon

03:11:02.740 to shoot the other person or do you not let's remove all other variables we're going to say

03:11:08.600 unknown at this point only thing we know is someone got punched in the face on a balance

03:11:15.040 of probabilities you have a hundred people in your chat a hundred people in my chat would you

03:11:18.780 tell them that shooting someone after that you will probably be free or would you say see you

03:11:25.440 in 20 years which one would you give the advice of i would say it depends on what you felt and saw

03:11:33.520 at the time and it's always going to depend i'm asking you for a general a general thing about

03:11:40.880 hey listen if we don't know the circumstances most likely if you do this when you get punched

03:11:46.980 You're either going to be exonerated

03:11:48.840 Or you're probably going to go to jail

03:11:50.620 Unless

03:11:51.400 See, here's the thing

03:11:52.780 When it comes to self-defense

03:11:54.280 It's different for every single person

03:11:57.620 What's reasonable for you to use

03:12:01.580 To use deadly force

03:12:03.920 Might not be reasonable for me to use deadly force

03:12:06.120 Does that make sense?

03:12:08.720 It's relative

03:12:09.540 You're not

03:12:10.700 I'm trying to ask this

03:12:11.840 I know, I know

03:12:13.080 I'm not

03:12:14.060 Again

03:12:14.380 I'm not sitting here saying that

03:12:16.400 self-defense cannot work even in this situation i'm saying on a balance of probabilities if you

03:12:24.520 were you're a law enforcement agent let's say you've gotten a hundred cases in front of you

03:12:30.840 right and all you saw in the details was person a got punched he pulled his weapon and shot person b

03:12:42.440 would you think

03:12:45.040 most, yes, every case

03:12:47.100 is going to have some nuance, but would you think

03:12:49.080 mostly, hey

03:12:50.560 that person is within his right

03:12:52.740 so generally, do you think that person is within his right

03:12:55.140 or it would be an

03:12:57.220 extraordinary circumstance

03:12:59.060 that that person is within his right

03:13:00.960 even though they could be, but most likely

03:13:03.280 if you respond to a

03:13:05.240 punch with a gunshot

03:13:07.260 you're going to jail 0.99

03:13:08.580 that's all I'm at

03:13:09.760 okay did they try to punch again or did they back off i told you only one we only know one

03:13:18.340 one one thing okay we only know one thing if he in a magical scenario if you walk up punch him

03:13:24.600 and then immediately back up or run away it would be harder to justify self-defense but we know that

03:13:31.580 didn't happen why because the camera falls and you hear them struggling and fighting so the one

03:13:38.860 punch scenario you're giving is not in this case here's the fact here look look look here's a

03:13:46.100 witness what i'm not avoiding it i'm telling you self-defense reasonableness you're not giving a

03:13:55.760 simple answer all right i'm gonna make it even simpler the question here is proportionality

03:14:02.180 Could a punch, generally, could a punch being escalated to a return of gunfire be seen most likely in random cases as proportional?

03:14:17.140 Is that like a no-brainer, or is it like for it to be seen, we got to know the other things because, wow.

03:14:24.180 Again, certain things are—

03:14:25.260 We have to know the other things.

03:14:27.080 There's a reason why proportionality is not the only factor in self-defense.

03:14:30.580 There's five—

03:14:32.180 Okay, I agree with you. So you're agreeing that there is a tremendous leap and this is not proportional, but you do think that the other circumstances might actually justify proportionality, correct?

03:14:44.660 Yes.

03:14:45.260 Okay. And to that, I say, it becomes the point of we're not talking about generalities no more. You're talking about that 10% chance.

03:14:53.020 Self-defense act, what I'm telling you, self-defense is inherently not general.

03:14:58.320 That's what I'm trying to explain to you.

03:14:59.700 Self-defense is inherently not general.

03:15:04.200 And the reason why it's not general is because everyone else has different facts and circumstances

03:15:09.640 that were going through their mind at the time they pulled the trigger.

03:15:15.020 Self-defense for the weapon.

03:15:16.140 That is. Self-defense generally is reciprocal, if you ask me. Like, for example, if you're minding your business and a guy comes and attacks you and you beat him to a bloody pulp, right, you've defended yourself with your fists or your feet and he attacked you with his fists and his feet.

03:15:45.340 okay so if i beat him that is proportional in in in most cases where it gets charged is usually

03:15:52.460 okay it's not proportional or it's really not self-defense at all okay so you just said i was

03:16:00.200 i was i was arguing about fist and gun fist gun okay can all right again fist versus gun okay

03:16:10.660 when it comes to proportionality you cannot measure off of just proportionality if you're

03:16:15.120 gonna just try to compare an apple to an orange yeah then it wouldn't match up but that's not

03:16:19.420 how self-defense works it's not generally there's no generality when it comes to self-defense because

03:16:24.800 everyone's different what what one person can a punch kill you bro can one punch kill you

03:16:37.100 in a two percent chance yes but are we talking about two percent that is the point you make

03:16:45.680 this point a lot of hours where it's like hey listen we could we could nuance every conversation

03:16:51.060 to yo i got this one friend you know she got married to her guy her guy don't cheat it's like

03:16:56.240 you shut up like you ever you're just generally right bro nuance is the name of the game in

03:17:02.520 self-defense. You cannot remove nuance 0.96

03:17:04.660 when it comes to self-defense because

03:17:06.360 every single self-defense case is

03:17:08.420 different. There's no such thing as generalities

03:17:10.580 when it comes to self-defense. If there

03:17:12.420 was generalities with self-defense, we would 0.99

03:17:14.460 all be in fucking jail, bro, because 0.99

03:17:16.420 we'd be using 20-20 hindsight to 1.00

03:17:18.460 justify. Nuance exists,

03:17:20.540 but the success rate is... Nuance is an inherent

03:17:22.480 component to self-defense.

03:17:24.420 It is literally

03:17:26.400 inextricable.

03:17:28.520 Self-defense and nuance

03:17:30.200 must be connected. It's the percentage

03:17:32.280 of the win rate of those circumstances, right?

03:17:35.960 So when I say there's a 15%, it means in general,

03:17:41.020 most times you see self-defense,

03:17:44.020 when things get ruled as self-defense,

03:17:45.800 whether it's charged or not,

03:17:48.100 we usually see proportional activities. 0.99

03:17:53.320 I punch you, you punch me. 0.98

03:17:55.480 If I get knocked out, hey, you punch them first. 0.98

03:17:57.740 Self-defense, that's generally what happens

03:18:01.680 and no charges get filed.

03:18:03.840 The nuanced cases is where the charges get filed.

03:18:07.860 You shot him, he punched you.

03:18:10.140 Okay, maybe there is a valid argument for you shooting him,

03:18:14.120 but it's at least not valid enough that you go on charge.

03:18:17.960 A straight self-defense case that is general, you don't get charged for.

03:18:22.540 If somebody shot at you, right?

03:18:24.680 You're outside, somebody shot at you. 1.00

03:18:26.880 You pull your weapon, you shoot him in the head. 1.00

03:18:28.860 You think you're getting charged like Chud? 1.00

03:18:30.300 Okay. 1.00

03:18:30.680 No.

03:18:30.920 that's the general self-defense but when it gets to this nuanced thing oh is it was was he really

03:18:37.580 provoked oh did he did he use too much force that's when you're battling a lawsuit okay act

03:18:42.920 let me ask you this does being charged mean you're guilty no perfect but it's perfect so

03:18:49.520 if being charged doesn't means you're doesn't necessarily mean you're guilty because you're

03:18:54.080 making an argument yo if you punch someone or someone punches you and you pull out a gun and

03:18:58.440 shoot him you're probably going to get arrested all right fair but here's the thing does that

03:19:03.420 mean you are guilty that's the big key probable cause bro is down here okay beyond a reasonable 0.87

03:19:11.120 doubt is up here so it's going to be on the state to prove that he didn't act in self-defense the

03:19:19.600 state has the burden so just because i agree but you're making my point so so you're right like

03:19:24.980 you're making my point and the fact that

03:19:27.700 you're right yes it doesn't mean he's

03:19:29.540 automatically guilty and also I

03:19:31.360 just said that

03:19:32.220 it does

03:19:35.580 mean something because right now he's not free

03:19:37.100 and again

03:19:38.320 here's my overall point

03:19:41.700 he played a 1.00

03:19:43.520 stupid game and the stupid 1.00

03:19:45.380 game is because he's now in this nuanced 1.00

03:19:47.400 clusterfuck 0.96

03:19:48.380 if he 0.98

03:19:49.480 is a reason 1.00

03:19:53.960 why he lost okay even if he beats the case you're using because you're an idiot okay see notice how 1.00

03:20:01.580 you just made it you shifted the goalposts and made it more personal and you're saying 1.00

03:20:04.460 well even if it is self-defense he's stupid for being in this situation that's not what i'm here 1.00

03:20:09.860 to argue i'm here to argue that's how you say that no you literally just said he's stupid because 1.00

03:20:14.860 he's in jail right now he got charged no no because he's stupid because i've been trying 0.99

03:20:22.400 to get you to say generally, generally, like if I had to give advice to my audience, if 0.98

03:20:27.560 I had to give my advice to my audience, if you have a gun on you and someone punches

03:20:30.780 you, don't shoot them.

03:20:32.520 Every case is different.

03:20:34.040 Hold on, hold on.

03:20:34.580 Here's the thing. 0.97

03:20:35.180 If you shoot them, you should be willing to go sit in jail for months, potentially years 0.99

03:20:40.440 fighting that case. 0.98

03:20:42.100 Again, so that's my thing.

03:20:44.840 I'm telling the safe way to handle things. 1.00

03:20:47.640 You're not down to call this guy exactly what he is, a straight up pussy. 0.99

03:20:50.840 He got punched, and now he shot someone, and even if he doesn't get found guilty, he's in a position because the law doesn't exactly exonerate him on face value. 0.99

03:21:04.160 If it was something where he punched the guy back out, even if he punched him and the guy died, self-defense, he doesn't go to jail.

03:21:10.660 okay act would it be do you agree well it's not even that you agree

03:21:15.540 you know that use of force lethal use of force is based on reasonableness right

03:21:21.400 yes okay so what one punch is to one person right you should be squabbling versus another

03:21:34.060 punch to someone else might be lethal force it's contingent on the individual bro and and i've said

03:21:39.600 repeatedly you're arguing a 15 point like the majority of americans if we go do a poll because

03:21:46.520 these are the people who are going to be on the jury if we do a random poll you do realize that

03:21:49.700 people get arrested for using anytime you get in a shooting bro even if you're in the right

03:21:53.860 you're gonna get arrested 90 of the time all right you're gonna get arrested we have a couple

03:21:59.040 thousand here we should do a poll get at least 2 000 votes just these two facts again we could

03:22:05.740 argue the other facts is using a gun after you've gotten punched self-defense and i guarantee most

03:22:14.280 people would say no no that that's not like you're isolating somebody you're isolating a very specific

03:22:21.040 point without adding context and we cannot assess a self-defense case off of that alone

03:22:26.340 bro and and and to that point i say that's that's that's a 15 thing because now you're using like

03:22:33.540 these nuances to try to justify which is like no let's let's analyze the generalities if you see

03:22:40.540 on face value that someone used a gun yeah that's for a punch that's something that it better have

03:22:47.040 so much nuance to it i don't think it does you think it does i don't think it does right now

03:22:52.440 you think you do you want me to look it up go ahead okay look up what hold on let me let me

03:22:58.480 let me pull this shit up right now let me what is the percentage of people arrested after 0.90

03:23:09.820 self-defense shooting on probable cause unarmed you also got to mention that 0.99

03:23:20.040 someone attacks you unarmed you shoot them kill them and they and they do not get an arrest 0.64

03:23:26.440 again you do realize that your hands can be considered a deadly weapon like you don't 1.00

03:23:32.240 necessarily because you just said earlier oh you beat somebody with a within a bloody pulp like

03:23:37.140 that proves that hands can be a deadly weapon like you're right okay so so it's not really the

03:23:42.920 weapon it's the use of force that matters it doesn't whether it's a gun a knife your fist

03:23:47.320 it doesn't really matter what the weapon is it's how are you using said weapons and what you're

03:23:52.120 trying to effectuate if someone punches you in the mouth and again like i i don't know if you're

03:23:59.740 you see you're trying to get this other nuance oh he beat the we saw chuds a mug shot he doesn't

03:24:05.680 look like matter of fact i think that bozo shot himself like he had a he had a mark on his head

03:24:11.360 yeah well i guess the other guy got a bullet wound too so we don't know which proves that

03:24:16.660 he did get hit so it's like you know and we don't know yeah well he got a he got a little

03:24:21.680 right hand and again you know it's about where you're going i'm cool with either i'm cool either

03:24:29.300 because i carry a gun i would love if the law was if somebody touches you you put him 10 feet below

03:24:35.840 the ground that's just not the law because i would walk around with my hand on that thing yes it is

03:24:41.360 but that's not the law yes it is the law is that somebody touches you at all or you know i mean

03:24:46.620 like say somebody said oh you myron and they swing on you you shoot him dead you can't bro you're

03:24:50.860 go to jail here's the thing it depends it's nuanced on face value say yo somebody comes up 0.97

03:24:56.180 and swings at you you you can't just shoot him okay did he have other people with him did he 0.99

03:25:00.440 say i'm gonna kill you did he say i but you know did he like uh try to swing at me or hit me in a 0.99

03:25:05.160 you know right in the face or in the back of the head like did it was there somewhere else like 0.99

03:25:09.840 was it late at night all these different factors come in bro like act what you're trying to do is

03:25:13.460 you're trying to filter it doesn't exist all right he got one mark here let's say he gets

03:25:19.900 punched directly in the face here could he shoot the guy you're not trying to just denounce it 0.59

03:25:23.900 if he gets punched one hard time could he shoot the guy we're making this up we don't know the 0.99

03:25:29.780 full thing but if he gets punched hey yo if you say that one more time i'm gonna blah blah i'm 0.99

03:25:35.180 gonna crash out oh if i say you're chimping out bang could you shoot him if someone punches you 0.98

03:25:41.680 you can absolutely justify shooting them based on the context yes one punch can justify deadly 0.97

03:25:48.780 force bro what bro i'm not it's the wall but you're arguing i keep saying when you say that

03:25:57.280 you're arguing a 15 if someone punches you like just normal like you're acting like oh if they

03:26:02.020 punch you and we don't even know you're just guessing that we have no reason to not guess

03:26:08.880 it the guy was coherent enough to still talk on stream bro like yeah like you know you're giving 0.98

03:26:13.700 him a list of circumstances that he's not even asked for yet i'm asking you generally generally

03:26:18.700 if someone punched you bro you're still able and sound mind and you shoot them are you going to

03:26:24.820 jail are you going to be kicking it on the stream here's the case right here here's the case right 0.88

03:26:28.100 here okay chad went to the courthouse on official business people say he was there for some matter

03:26:32.240 i don't really know this comes from a witness hold on hold on let me this is someone that

03:26:35.840 literally watched on the live stream this is a statement he gave okay uh i don't really know

03:26:41.840 what it was for, but makes sense considering he was well dressed in a suit. He's just taking a

03:26:45.260 stroll, talking about his upcoming interview with Harrison Smith from him for saying how it's good

03:26:48.440 to just take a stroll before giving an interview. He notices a black couple pointing at him and he

03:26:53.000 walks past them and asks if they are having a good day and they like his suit. And if they like his

03:26:57.000 suit, really just trying to have a conversation with them because they initiated by pointing at

03:27:00.040 him. So he's curious to know what's up. After he asks how they're doing, the guy responds with get

03:27:04.920 out of here or something to the effect that and Chud says, I'm free to be where I want to be. 0.59

03:27:09.860 Black dude says something else, and Chud simply walks away. 0.94

03:27:12.380 As Chud walks away, the black guy tells him he has PTSD, 0.97

03:27:15.520 and then he won't put with him, I think he means put up with him, 0.99

03:27:19.860 calling him a nigger or saying, chimp out. 0.99

03:27:21.520 Chud then says, what? Are you going to chimp out? 1.00

03:27:23.840 Chud is still recording but walking away. 0.86

03:27:25.660 That's when you can see the black guy stand up from about 50 to 60 feet away from Chud.

03:27:30.540 I don't know exactly how many feet, but it was quite a significant distance,

03:27:33.600 and he begins to advance towards Chud.

03:27:35.060 Chud stops walking, and the black guy catches up to Chud,

03:27:37.600 and they're in each other's faces. 0.98

03:27:38.640 literally inches apart the black guy tells chud call me a nigger mace me mace me trying to provoke 0.99

03:27:44.140 chud see there so there he goes chud told him i'm gonna mace you so there you go you have more 0.99

03:27:48.460 evidence because chud always carries mace so call me a nigger mace me mace me trying to provoke chud 0.96

03:27:52.780 and when he gets no response from chud he punches chud in the head the cameras then knock to the 0.95

03:27:57.820 ground seconds later you're here you can hear four or five gunshots pop off then you can hear people

03:28:02.840 running towards them and chud saying get him off me the rest of audio you can find online if you

03:28:06.780 look around but that's what i saw happen live on stream did chud use any slurs no never use a single 0.58

03:28:12.960 racial slur whatsoever besides or are you going to chimp out so how important do you think the 0.76

03:28:17.140 live stream footage is and he goes if it comes out he's going to be exonerated and keep in mind

03:28:20.780 the police did not have the live stream when they wrote that arrest warrant that you're talking about

03:28:24.300 they did not have the live stream okay and and and i'm down to put a friendly bet that this is all

03:28:29.980 cap i've looked at this guy's account while you're reading this he's calling people he's calling 0.87

03:28:34.220 black people um watermelon eating monkeys like this guy's just as bad he's like chud except on

03:28:40.500 the internet so i'm pretty sure he wouldn't see any any here's the thing um interaction this i 1.00

03:28:46.160 wouldn't see any this is someone yeah he interviewed somebody that saw the stream this isn't the guy

03:28:50.060 this dude right here is not i wouldn't take his account for it i wouldn't take his account for

03:28:53.900 that's what i'm saying if if the video says all of this i might change my mind but would i listen

03:28:59.020 to this guy go on his page and scroll down a bit well here's the thing clearly don't like

03:29:04.460 black people either that's what i'm saying is that he doesn't have to like black people i got

03:29:07.360 people in my chat bro in my community that told me they watched the video so how come no one has 0.73

03:29:11.880 this recording because i at this point i'm guessing that if someone was watching that recording the

03:29:16.780 guy gets like 200 viewers on pump fund they're probably racist already so again i just want to

03:29:22.380 see the video maybe the video actually says if the video is all this i might have a different

03:29:26.500 we would have a different conversation if this was oh he said no racial slurs the guy was probably

03:29:32.440 let's say that like we're making this up right but let's say the guy is you know he's kind of

03:29:36.920 extra amped up because you know there's a lot of hatred for chud online and he's pushing the issue

03:29:41.100 because he wanted to see if chud will try him and and basically he just punches chud i'm gonna sit

03:29:46.340 here and be like oh yeah no whatever whatever now i don't like chud but i'm not gonna say that chud

03:29:49.980 is guilty but from everything that we're seeing like again i'm going off i'm going off the arrest

03:29:55.560 warrant i'm going off there's other people who have said whatever and also the video that shows

03:30:00.500 them kind of tangling on the ground doesn't look like chud was like no get me out of here get him 0.96

03:30:04.840 off of me it looked like chud was giving that nigga the beats i'm gonna be honest that's after 0.97

03:30:08.700 again that was after the shooting but look we can wait until the footage comes out but this is 0.94

03:30:13.580 the reason why i told you this is because i've heard this same exact story from several people

03:30:19.580 not just on x but in my own community that i trust so that's why i know that that's why i've

03:30:26.380 heard this story before and i go ahead but that's like an echo chamber like half of those people

03:30:31.580 that are watching this it's either they have a a a severe dislike for one third of my audience

03:30:38.680 bro one third of my audience is black acting a certain way or they feel emboldened by chud 0.99

03:30:42.940 there's so many people who they're too pussy to do it bro one third of my audience is black 0.99

03:30:47.320 literally one-third of my one-third black one-third hispanic but i'm trying to tell you 0.99

03:30:51.920 okay i'll give you an example like you go out you do the college things and i think i think that's

03:30:59.520 why i think it's blown up way past your after hours stuff i think what you do now is really

03:31:03.660 good but you got to be careful but the only reason i say that is that there's so many people that

03:31:08.180 wish well they've always done that with you they wish they could talk to women like you they wish

03:31:12.480 they could talk to jewish people like you they wish they could do that in real life you are doing

03:31:17.560 it so a lot of people they might even be jewish themselves or whoever you're you're you kind of 1.00

03:31:23.080 emboldt them to be like he's the guy that's doing what we can't do you're humbling the bitches who 0.99

03:31:27.820 think they're too good you're saying to the jewish people what people would call them anti-semitic 1.00

03:31:32.560 and they'll lose their job you're doing it what chud is doing or was doing was there was a lot 0.68

03:31:38.160 of people whether they were ever black because you know what there's some people who are black

03:31:42.060 that disassociate with that be like hey talking about me oh chimping out that's not me like no

03:31:46.860 when he says chimping out he's it's not just an action maybe if it wasn't him saying it with the

03:31:51.620 racial context maybe chimping out could just be an action chimping out means black behavior let's

03:31:57.500 be honest right like and again he's talking about people that share that skin color but there's

03:32:03.920 still people that say nah he's not talking about me he's you know he's talking about y'all ghetto 0.99

03:32:08.480 black people y'all people who y'all black people who choose gangs y'all love violence the ratchet 1.00

03:32:13.520 motherfuckers and we all kind of do that disassociated to a certain extent i don't like 1.00

03:32:18.260 to be associated with ratchet motherfuckers who black but at the end of the day this chud dude 1.00

03:32:22.980 he you could tell his whole thing was to he was saying it about all black people 1.00

03:32:28.380 okay this wasn't like let's assume oh i hate gang members okay so let's assume all that is true 0.63

03:32:33.780 it still doesn't justify 0.92

03:32:35.820 the black dude from punching him 0.96

03:32:38.120 case closed 1.00

03:32:39.420 I thought it was inevitable

03:32:41.660 I thought it was inevitable and I thought he got off light

03:32:43.680 fair

03:32:44.000 but does he still have a right

03:32:47.720 to defend himself

03:32:48.480 uh yeah no he does

03:32:51.640 he does proportionally of course

03:32:52.940 no no no proportionally

03:32:54.660 that's not proportionally

03:32:55.960 again we don't know

03:32:58.960 we don't know because we didn't see it

03:33:00.480 I'll concede the first part

03:33:02.320 I'm continuing to tell you proportionally because let me tell you this.

03:33:05.940 I would love to see this case materialize, and I can't wait until it goes to trial

03:33:09.000 because I'm telling you, it's a reason why I got three different gun permits

03:33:13.700 to try to carry in every single state that if I happen to not have my two

03:33:17.940 or three security guards with me and I see somebody playing with me 0.99

03:33:20.500 and they do something, and if they even breathe a fucking, like, 1.00

03:33:27.020 a list of hot air on me, I want to be able to murder them right there. 1.00

03:33:30.100 Let me ask you this. 1.00

03:33:30.840 That would be amazing.

03:33:31.440 Let me ask you this.

03:33:31.980 I'll go live right in, but that's not legal.

03:33:34.460 It's just not legal, brother.

03:33:35.360 You just can't murder people because they punched you.

03:33:38.180 I wish this could. 0.97

03:33:39.960 Let me ask you this then, Ak. 0.99

03:33:41.260 Let's say Rory walks up on you and hits you in the back of the head 0.98

03:33:44.440 and you're armed.

03:33:44.900 What are you doing?

03:33:46.960 Oh, I'm fighting him. 1.00

03:33:48.180 Dead ass. 1.00

03:33:48.580 Okay. 1.00

03:33:49.240 You're going to squabble up after he hits you in the back of the head

03:33:51.680 and you're disoriented and all that other stuff?

03:33:53.760 After he chased after you?

03:33:54.680 No, no, no.

03:33:56.580 Okay, so you've created this different scenario where, like, 0.99

03:34:00.340 I'm like, what the fuck? 0.99

03:34:01.380 Like, I get that. 1.00

03:34:02.760 No, no.

03:34:03.360 Because you're saying a punch.

03:34:04.520 Because, boom.

03:34:05.940 There you go, bro. 1.00

03:34:06.920 You don't even want to fight, nigga. 1.00

03:34:08.000 Come on, man. 1.00

03:34:08.680 Come on, Ak. 0.99

03:34:09.300 No, no, no. 0.93

03:34:09.800 Come on, Ak.

03:34:10.400 Because you've now. 0.99

03:34:11.300 Come on, man.

03:34:12.120 No, you've now created a situation where you're saying,

03:34:15.240 I'm damn near unconscious.

03:34:17.040 The dude just got punched, bro. 0.74

03:34:19.620 Like, you know, you'll play this. 0.97

03:34:22.200 Nigga, if Rory. 0.79

03:34:23.500 Yo, if Rory came up to you, bro, you're not squabbling. 1.00

03:34:27.260 That nigga punch you in the back. 1.00

03:34:28.720 You're pulling out the gun, bro. 1.00

03:34:30.180 So you created a scenario that you're about to be unconscious.

03:34:33.580 That's what you did.

03:34:34.840 I got swung at by Lil Baby's cameraman. 0.99

03:34:37.660 You think I could say, let's hop out in the car and murder this thing right here?

03:34:41.140 The cops is right across the street, by the way. 0.95

03:34:42.660 Of course.

03:34:43.380 Would I be – hold on.

03:34:44.220 Let me ask you a question because this is going to tell me.

03:34:46.720 So Lil Baby's man, right, he swung at me, right?

03:34:50.440 Okay.

03:34:50.780 Now I am – whatever you want to say, I'm in fear of everything.

03:34:54.180 Sure.

03:34:54.620 Right?

03:34:57.320 It's a swing.

03:34:58.040 Am I disoriented?

03:34:59.000 I wasn't even hit. 0.99

03:35:00.900 Can I murder him or not? 0.99

03:35:02.140 All right, let's see. 1.00

03:35:02.640 I'm hit.

03:35:02.900 I'm hit.

03:35:03.200 I'm hit. 1.00

03:35:03.860 Oh, shit. 1.00

03:35:05.080 Can I murder him? 1.00

03:35:07.440 Right there. 1.00

03:35:08.260 Okay.

03:35:09.000 If you had reasonable belief that you might get serious bodily injury,

03:35:13.200 you absolutely can.

03:35:15.260 You absolutely can.

03:35:17.680 I've gone over this story even with my team.

03:35:19.900 So there was one person that was outside that, you know,

03:35:23.260 because my security drove off.

03:35:26.040 They felt, because he had a bag with him, they felt he had a gun.

03:35:29.580 So wait, what did you do when he swung on you?

03:35:31.400 What did you do when he swung on you?

03:35:32.740 No, no, the security drove off because he swung into the car.

03:35:35.060 Because he swung because he saw the car moving.

03:35:37.740 So we're having this conversation.

03:35:39.220 Okay, so you're in a car.

03:35:40.820 He's not even in the car.

03:35:42.480 He's not in the car.

03:35:42.880 Okay, okay.

03:35:43.460 How about this?

03:35:44.240 Let's say you're not in a car. 0.94

03:35:46.580 He walks right up to you, punches you in the face.

03:35:49.080 What are you doing?

03:35:49.460 You squabbling?

03:35:50.800 We squabbling.

03:35:51.760 Okay.

03:35:53.060 Okay.

03:35:53.380 No, no, no, no, no.

03:35:54.940 Here's the thing.

03:35:55.520 Here's the thing, though.

03:35:55.980 so after full discussion of everything that happened because one of my guys who was still

03:36:02.860 there but he was in another car he said yo the dude was kind of almost like he was acting like 0.71

03:36:06.800 he was clutching but but remember you told us we couldn't bring out shit in the club so he didn't 0.87

03:36:11.000 have his joint his shit was in his car anyway long story at that point i'm like yo if if you 0.99

03:36:16.820 thought he had a gun i'm like of course you what you got to do with the fuck if you think if if 0.99

03:36:21.500 he's if he's like kind of because because i think he was kind of like like pump faking with one of 0.99

03:36:25.740 people or whatever if you think he has a weapon on him yeah but like uh just a swing bro you can't

03:36:30.640 murder so bro i would love to have murdered but this isn't just a swing that wasn't just a swing 0.83

03:36:35.600 though it was a swing that connected brother if i listened to you i would have murdered that 1.00

03:36:39.960 nigga right now and and listen that was a baby's a dumb nigga okay bro you're in a car and the guy 1.00

03:36:47.520 missed the swing but again yeah we don't know when the guy hit chud he could have saw stars bro 1.00

03:36:53.060 if I was legal to shoot him 1.00

03:36:55.520 I would have killed him on the spot 1.00

03:36:57.440 and I would have said I got hit 1.00

03:36:58.340 but you can't do that my nigga 0.82

03:37:00.600 I would have literally said oh he did hit me 0.98

03:37:02.840 bro he's online saying he hit me

03:37:04.500 I would have said he hit me 0.97

03:37:06.120 murdered him and then I would have been 1.00

03:37:08.200 doing some 4pm shit 1.00

03:37:09.720 you would go to jail because you lied 1.00

03:37:12.960 but this one we have footage of the guy punching him

03:37:15.100 we literally have footage of the guy punching him

03:37:17.000 there's no video of the swing

03:37:19.060 so it's literally me

03:37:21.320 and my bodyguard

03:37:22.740 and, like, people in the car.

03:37:25.180 You're going to need witnesses.

03:37:26.300 You're going to need witnesses.

03:37:27.220 All right.

03:37:27.680 They're all going to bite me up. 0.87

03:37:28.940 Yeah, naive.

03:37:29.860 That's not analogous to this, bro.

03:37:31.160 They did me.

03:37:31.580 I'm hurting.

03:37:32.100 Okay, but that's not analogous to this

03:37:33.740 because Chud actually did get hit.

03:37:35.920 Chud did get hit.

03:37:36.860 I'm going to tell you why.

03:37:37.920 I'm going to tell you why I would have went to jail, right?

03:37:39.720 I'm going to tell you why.

03:37:41.480 The dude swings because the dude's having this conversation 1.00

03:37:45.280 sucking little baby's dick, 1.00

03:37:46.580 and your bodyguard starts driving off. 1.00

03:37:49.760 He swings because the car is moving.

03:37:51.800 let's say he does hit you

03:37:53.700 so you have a clear

03:37:56.300 way to get away and then you hop

03:37:58.340 out and react into a swing 1.00

03:38:00.120 you take out a gun and murder him 1.00

03:38:01.960 you're going to jail 0.99

03:38:02.940 but that's not the fact pattern

03:38:05.180 that is literally not the fact pattern

03:38:08.180 whatsoever with Chud

03:38:09.280 how

03:38:12.340 bro he gets hit

03:38:14.240 he gets punched in the face 0.75

03:38:15.420 like you were in a car 1.00

03:38:16.880 yo the head is killing you right now bro 0.99

03:38:20.000 yo come on Ak 0.99

03:38:21.800 Come on, man.

03:38:22.900 But nobody's killing Chud. 0.93

03:38:23.760 You're in a moving car.

03:38:25.300 You're in a moving car.

03:38:26.640 And you missed a punch.

03:38:27.780 Nobody's killing Chud either.

03:38:29.860 The dude punched him.

03:38:32.440 The hit connected.

03:38:33.720 Bro, the hit connected.

03:38:37.640 Bro, okay.

03:38:38.680 All right, man.

03:38:40.540 Bro, bro, man.

03:38:41.840 You literally.

03:38:42.620 Hold on.

03:38:43.380 Hold on.

03:38:44.020 You got a lot of haters.

03:38:45.760 And I'm asking you this because I'm going to be honest with you. 1.00

03:38:49.240 Because I fuck with you and you're my guy. 0.99

03:38:50.700 i would hope you don't make this decision because it would hurt me so bad 1.00

03:38:55.160 if you see one of these haters you got mad haters and they'd be like oh ain't you that guy i'd be

03:39:02.600 seeing on tiktok he'd be like oh what do you mean like yo you'd be the one that's saying x y and z

03:39:07.100 and then you try to like you try to be like yo what's up bro and he just punches you and you

03:39:12.480 got your gun are you gonna shoot him if i'm disoriented and you know i like i'm not disoriented

03:39:19.840 like let's not make this you're not disoriented bro he's just like he punches you like you know 0.95

03:39:24.060 you know what it is now it's a fight it's either a fight or you could react anyway but he punches

03:39:28.040 you you feel it all right bang he punches you it depends again what can i access my gun safely

03:39:34.020 without it getting taken away do i need to throw another punch it's a dynamic right on your hip 1.00

03:39:38.400 i'm pulling that shit out and say touch me again you're gonna die 1.00

03:39:41.460 okay all right so you say you're gonna give a war okay all right that might be a little bit 1.00

03:39:46.120 different yeah if i have but keep in mind that's if i have the the the privilege of even being able

03:39:51.120 to create distance to do that right but i might have to just pull it out and go like this this

03:39:55.740 there's a reason why they teach you in academy once you draw it you immediately put it like this

03:39:59.280 and shoot this is what they they do that for to teach you how to do that so like again bro like

03:40:03.540 self-defense is a dynamic thing and i know a lot of people in your chat are mad and they don't want 0.99

03:40:07.860 to hear that shit but the reality is bro is the dude closed the distance he uh he punched chud 0.99

03:40:12.460 first chudge shot him after we don't know what happened after he punched him but we heard some 0.99

03:40:17.620 struggling uh witnesses are saying that it was provoked look if that's the fact pattern chud has

03:40:22.300 a very strong self-defense case of course i can always change you know i reserve the right to

03:40:26.580 change my opinion on the matter if the video evidence shows different because i'm you know

03:40:30.320 always for the truth but based on me talking to witnesses reading different things and people

03:40:34.400 that watch the stream they're the best credible witnesses we got right now the sus part of what

03:40:40.100 you read is that they said that chun never said like some racial inciting language i'm like you 0.96

03:40:45.840 realize that i'll ask much i don't know about your you didn't call him a nigger is what they're 0.62

03:40:49.840 trying to say he said or what you're gonna chip out well sensibilities might be different if if

03:40:55.080 someone if a white dude says to me yo bro i don't want you chimping out on me i i feel highly

03:41:00.880 offensive about would you hit him you know um would you hit him uh just off that no but i would 0.98

03:41:06.920 There you go, bro. You're an adult. Unlike the dumb

03:41:09.380 nigga that hit him. See the difference? 1.00

03:41:11.040 Here's the problem with blacks, bro. I know your audience is about to 1.00

03:41:13.340 get mad as hell right now. Bro, black people never 1.00

03:41:15.340 take accountability, bro. 1.00

03:41:17.240 They never do. It's like,

03:41:19.360 oh, you called me a nigger. 0.82

03:41:23.000 I'm saying

03:41:23.640 he's guilty of assault, but not

03:41:25.360 because he's guilty of assault means it was warranted

03:41:27.400 for him to be shot.

03:41:30.720 Again, 0.97

03:41:31.400 it's all the facts

03:41:33.360 and circumstances that led to him pulling

03:41:35.380 out the gun you literally have said multiple times if you get punched you have the right to

03:41:40.480 defend yourself yes okay so the way that person decides to defend themselves isn't our business

03:41:47.000 it's not we can't make the call on that because only the person that's reacting can do that

03:41:50.840 we can't you're trying to monday morning quarterback this see here's the difference

03:41:56.360 you're saying you're saying you're you're monday morning quarterbacking is saying

03:42:00.420 oh you have no right to use your gun if you get punched i'm saying he might have the right to use

03:42:06.820 his gun after he's punched based on what was going on in his mind and this is what the law in america 0.98

03:42:12.320 agrees with me this is literally and here's the thing also i don't want to sound like an asshole 0.96

03:42:15.740 you said might once you said might 15 i think 85 we need all that we obviously we need all the 0.87

03:42:24.960 evidence to come out but if what happened if what the witnesses told me happened and we see that

03:42:30.120 pump for video and it's accurate bro chud's gonna walk i hope you know that he's gonna walk

03:42:33.760 so like i i get it people are pissed off or whatever i'm going off the law people want to

03:42:38.360 cry in in the chat i see a lot of your guys getting mad over here bro i literally had a 0.89

03:42:41.680 discussion with a self-defense attorney and he said the same shit we're on the same page so it's 0.61

03:42:46.780 like he's you should talk to him bro andrew branca one of the best self-defense attorneys in america 0.96

03:42:51.420 we had a two-hour conversation about this and he agrees if that happened chud gots a strong

03:42:56.560 self-defense hey hey that's a lawyer the multiple conversations where lawyers have also agreed that

03:43:03.540 if you are provoking if you use provoking language and you provoke a altercation that is not covered

03:43:13.140 on the self-defense have you seen those videos okay i've seen a lot of people who practice in 0.79

03:43:18.020 tennessee sure they have said that but but here what you got to understand is chud disengaged

03:43:22.460 Which means, by definition, he is not the provoker.

03:43:26.120 The guy you're defending is the provoker.

03:43:29.080 Chud walked away.

03:43:31.300 If he's walking away but still saying stuff, is that disengaging?

03:43:36.320 It depends on what he said.

03:43:38.320 Like, it depends.

03:43:39.560 But the bottom line is, is he walked away and created distance,

03:43:43.340 and this guy followed him.

03:43:46.880 And it was a significant amount of space.

03:43:50.080 We're talking 70 to 100 yards, like damn near a football field.

03:43:53.960 The guy came back towards him.

03:43:55.820 So it was a significant amount of space.

03:43:57.560 I've been shocked at 75 to 100 yards.

03:44:00.900 Listen.

03:44:01.420 Either way, it was a considerable distance.

03:44:03.180 That's the whole football field.

03:44:04.320 Okay.

03:44:04.660 The people watching the screen, there's no way, no way being able to be like,

03:44:08.700 oh, it's 100 yards away.

03:44:09.880 First of all, 100 yards away, you could only hear the person there shouting.

03:44:13.000 Bro, that's not really the point.

03:44:14.940 The point I'm trying to make is there was a significant amount of space

03:44:18.400 between them, and he closed the distance.

03:44:20.400 That's my point.

03:44:22.000 Regardless of the actual space, the bottom line is he closed the space.

03:44:28.400 Listen, I know you're not a betting man, but I would definitely put up a bet.

03:44:31.320 I know how this is going to end.

03:44:32.360 This is going to end with him taking a plea.

03:44:34.180 He's going to take a plea because there is no –

03:44:36.820 Does taking a plea mean you're guilty, though?

03:44:38.560 Does taking a plea mean you're actually guilty?

03:44:42.020 Not necessarily, but –

03:44:44.020 That's my point.

03:44:44.780 back to the point

03:44:46.840 of what I'm saying in terms of giving advice

03:44:48.720 not necessarily that you were trying to give advice 1.00

03:44:50.460 it's stupid that 0.99

03:44:52.740 he's now in a position that 1.00

03:44:54.640 his best option is going to be

03:44:56.760 him having to

03:44:58.380 plea out. There's no

03:45:00.120 He didn't go to trial, bro.

03:45:03.040 He might take it to trial.

03:45:05.080 There is no way he's walking.

03:45:06.940 Okay. Here's the thing. He might take it to trial.

03:45:09.620 He might take it to trial.

03:45:11.780 At that point

03:45:12.880 he's not going to take it to trial.

03:45:14.040 But he'll get – he'll be just interested in how this gets dealt with politically.

03:45:19.620 It probably won't be handled fully in court until probably a couple years.

03:45:27.180 Now, what's going to happen before?

03:45:30.660 He's probably going to get out on bond probably this next week or maybe two weeks from now.

03:45:35.840 And, again, I'm just going with –

03:45:36.940 I think he has a hearing tomorrow.

03:45:38.340 I think he has a hearing tomorrow.

03:45:39.300 Well, I believe that's here and it's to kind of like dictate how the bond could be given.

03:45:44.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:45:45.460 They're going to.

03:45:46.180 At some point, he'll get bond.

03:45:47.860 I'm pretty sure.

03:45:48.580 Oh, and did you know that they like literally arrested a murderer and he only got a 250K bond in the same exact court as Chud? 0.54

03:45:57.240 Chud has the highest bond ever. 0.70

03:46:00.540 Yeah, but when it comes to bond. 0.98

03:46:02.760 And they're black, too, by the way. 0.92

03:46:04.160 And they're black, so we can't even make the argument of like, oh, they're white. 0.65

03:46:07.060 Like there are blacks and they. 0.86

03:46:08.440 but in that situation when it comes to how much money the judge takes into account 0.90

03:46:14.640 usually what you could afford to reasonably guarantee the court so it's not the same for

03:46:19.560 everyone that's definitely we do know this right it's not like it's not a one-size listen it's a

03:46:24.800 there's no court that says hey attempted murder you get out on quarter million and then they just

03:46:30.360 randomly pick chud no no no yo they look at what they think you could reasonably afford put it like

03:46:35.460 this it's the reason why diddy was offering 50 million dollars right hey quarter million dollars

03:46:41.280 is nothing to you we can't guarantee you're going to return we can't guarantee nothing that's you're

03:46:46.020 putting up collateral collateral is going to be based on what's your family life what's your

03:46:51.320 um how much money is um you know are you married like how much could you afford that we feel we

03:46:58.920 are reasonably satisfied also here's the thing about the court making those type of things

03:47:03.440 the judge has no like there's no litmus test obviously has to go through like the the three

03:47:09.560 main variables of if you know flight risk um danger um community and and whatever but so look

03:47:16.460 he has complete subjective um he has complete subjective authority on that all right so chud 0.60

03:47:24.580 there is no there is no fucking like schedule where it's like hey if you make in between this 0.83

03:47:29.280 OK, literally. So here's the thing. Excessive bail should not be required. Right. That's Tennessee Constitution right there. Look at his bond compared to everybody else. You look at this graphic. A lot of these people are black and murderers. This is what charge you the same thing with worse with other people got charged with murder act. 0.94

03:47:47.280 and they got a 250k bond

03:47:50.400 so that's what I'm trying to tell you

03:47:51.360 people always want to cry 1.00

03:47:53.020 oh yo black people don't get 0.99

03:47:54.320 it's not fair blah blah 0.99

03:47:55.260 bro got a 1.25 million

03:47:57.180 on a self defense case

03:47:59.260 where the guy didn't die

03:48:00.400 versus straight up murderers

03:48:01.900 premeditated

03:48:02.540 are getting quarter million bro

03:48:03.860 come on man

03:48:04.840 well it's not a self defense case

03:48:07.440 because the prosecutor

03:48:08.880 did not present it as such

03:48:10.080 it's literally murder

03:48:11.160 of course the prosecutor

03:48:12.860 is not going to say self defense

03:48:13.860 of course

03:48:14.360 their prosecution

03:48:15.900 well well here's the thing so let's even out the playing field to see if if this is a um misleading

03:48:23.260 i'm looking at the the um this graphic let's see if it's misleading were all those other people

03:48:29.440 also out on another bond because that's what he was he was out on another bond then he committed

03:48:34.500 an attempted murder that usually really complicates the situation when you're on one that's some 1.00

03:48:40.080 nigger shit right that's what it is so you're saying he had to hang somebody on and he went 0.99

03:48:44.580 to go do the crime anyway yes so dalton mr dalton already was on bond and he chimped out and went to 0.99

03:48:51.700 go do another crime yes your bond is gonna be a little bit more than these other guys do all of

03:48:56.260 these guys also have another bond that they were violating when they committed this attempted

03:49:02.220 murder okay well we know recidivism is high i'm sure plenty of them were on bond but let's assume

03:49:08.520 let's assume they weren't on bond they did premeditated murder act like they literally 0.70

03:49:14.220 and they're getting like one fifth one sixth of the bond that chud got that's the point and

03:49:21.500 and then for that i think i think that will still be um it will be addressed and he should appeal

03:49:29.560 that and if yeah if it's seen as if it's seen as you know outside the realm of keep in mind we're

03:49:35.540 going to remember what this is all these things come into context right it's going to come into

03:49:40.500 context i know you want to compare them with some random guys that that might be from tennessee yes

03:49:45.200 the fact that you're a high profile guy the fact that you are a streamer that probably has a a a

03:49:51.480 potential to earn a high income it all differs okay it's not one size fits all it's not like

03:49:58.460 like some small of course remember this is this is a a first degree offense and because of that

03:50:05.220 they're gonna take into all type of um parameters hey if quarter million is nothing for you no

03:50:10.620 they're gonna put it up to half a million quarter million for this guy that's Antoine from Crenshaw

03:50:15.420 bro his family has never had quarter million in quarter million years but of course he here's the

03:50:21.040 thing it's good for him bro this guy doesn't got money either bro he's not rich either he just 0.79

03:50:25.620 started this stream and shit he's not rich either and this guy right here incredible amount of income

03:50:30.060 because his notoriety has soared online, 0.98

03:50:33.360 which I'm also, at the next year,

03:50:35.180 they're going to bring up the fact that

03:50:36.200 he has a GoFundMe with over a quarter million dollars already.

03:50:39.720 And basically, he's a popular social media figure.

03:50:42.660 He's a popular, if you think a popular social media figure 0.67

03:50:45.640 is going to get the same bond as some random bum, 0.91

03:50:48.660 come on, you know that's not true. 1.00

03:50:50.380 Well, here's the thing.

03:50:51.420 They actually can, based on, like we said before,

03:50:53.660 flight risk, everything else.

03:50:54.700 My argument, bro, isn't that about him not getting bond.

03:50:58.680 My argument is other people that have done significantly worse crimes get significantly lower bonds.

03:51:04.280 That's my argument. I'm not arguing about the bond.

03:51:07.140 I'm arguing about the price of the bond compared to other people that got bond for worse or crimes.

03:51:13.920 That's my argument.

03:51:15.180 I don't think I don't think the bond is excessive if they allow for, you know, his family to back that collateral or how they structure it.

03:51:25.240 I think that a guy who is a social media known figure who, uh, based on his job occupation and hold on, it probably could, it probably could be even argued that he got arrested or he committed this crime while he was doing his job.

03:51:44.760 and in most places you should have insurance if you're doing your job and you have you happen to

03:51:49.800 get a charge or something of the sort you usually have insurance that could kick in to be like hey

03:51:53.880 we're going to protect you legally so again i don't see them treating this as some random guy

03:51:57.720 going to kick in a door granted same crime if he tried if they try to murder someone yes it should

03:52:03.400 be treated like that in terms of guilty or innocence but if they know that you're a social

03:52:08.280 media personality and these other things they're going to make sure that bond is high the reason

03:52:11.820 why we've seen in other cases

03:52:13.780 like even with

03:52:14.520 how much did like Harvey Weinstein put up?

03:52:17.360 Yeah, but here's the thing, bro. That's against

03:52:19.680 the law. Excessive bail. They've had

03:52:21.740 to pay like $10 million in bond.

03:52:23.580 When if it was someone else, they would either

03:52:25.560 not get bond or the bond would be significantly

03:52:27.740 less. Again, they do charge you

03:52:29.760 for who you are. Okay, that's

03:52:31.720 fine. That's fine. So, okay,

03:52:33.680 you're saying they charge you on who you are. Okay.

03:52:36.220 Isn't justice supposed to be blind?

03:52:38.060 Isn't justice supposed to be blind?

03:52:40.100 Right? Don't we want equality? 0.90

03:52:41.820 isn't that what black people fought for so like why is it that he is getting five times more bond

03:52:46.940 when other people nothing to do with guilt or innocence and it also has nothing to do with

03:52:51.440 the courts the courts the courts heavily influence it though the courts heavily influence it

03:52:55.360 you're right but but it's off the um it's off the direction and how the judge feels that's why you

03:53:01.100 appeal it right that's why like in federal court a magistrate says something like they just said

03:53:05.260 in push ic's case like yo we can let these guys go and then then they appealed it again and the

03:53:09.160 the district court is like this accord judge is like i don't know about that again it's it's

03:53:13.420 really discretionary and nothing actually you can cite case law you can cite a lot of case law in

03:53:19.200 terms of hey look at these guys they got off on this but if there's a reasonable conversation made

03:53:23.860 to say hey listen we're putting the bond up and this is where i agree with it number one i agree

03:53:29.580 that number one he's significantly more well off whether family-wise or because of his career he

03:53:33.960 now has a career in social media so he could pay a higher bond but second of all i think he's a

03:53:40.280 tremendous danger to the community not only because of his own actions but because of what

03:53:44.980 his actions represent and i think uh that's fine and that's and that's to be okay that's fine you

03:53:49.700 can argue that in court that's not my point we can argue bond all day i'm saying 1.25 is excessive

03:53:54.620 compared to the pattern of other people that got worse crimes that's my argument you're making an

03:53:58.680 argument he shouldn't get bond i'm arguing hey the bond is too high that's what i'm saying compared

03:54:04.500 to other cases that are worse it's not consistent bond is bond has never been only um related to

03:54:12.460 the particular charge it's always related to all type of mitigating factors that the judge has to

03:54:17.720 consider what does this person do for work what is the chance to re-offend what is the what is

03:54:22.820 the likelihood that if they get out of jail they could use their money to influence witness here's

03:54:27.640 thing third it's the reason why little dirt nobody died again nobody died that's important

03:54:33.540 and then on top of that he's saying it's self-defense 1.25 is excessive that that doesn't

03:54:39.420 matter like 1.25 is excessive like there's literally a law excessive bail should not be

03:54:43.220 required under tennessee law so i'm not saying him just being him being social media is completely

03:54:50.600 prejudiced like that that's not that's not what matters it's about being equal and fair that's

03:54:55.200 what the court's supposed to do that could be argued that could be argued but the point was

03:54:59.600 not defending that the point was that that's how we normally see these things like if you're high

03:55:04.420 profile if they are going to put a bond it the bond is going to be significantly higher like yes

03:55:09.280 you might be able to go towards an appeal an appellate judge and get it reduced but it this

03:55:15.720 is not a outside the norm situation where this guy's bond is just unusually high but no other

03:55:22.160 bond of a social media

03:55:24.080 personality or someone

03:55:25.980 who has the high propensity to affect

03:55:27.900 people or

03:55:28.680 is popular or could get money real

03:55:32.040 quick, they always

03:55:34.140 have usually higher bond than the regular

03:55:36.180 population. I think you could agree

03:55:38.000 for the most part. I'm not saying that it won't get reduced.

03:55:40.420 Yeah, every case is different. You brought

03:55:42.180 up like Diddy and Pushice. That's federal, bro.

03:55:44.120 Getting bond in a federal case is damn near

03:55:46.100 impossible. But at the state level, man,

03:55:48.220 people get bond all the time. I showed you the

03:55:50.020 example of like, look, this dude right here

03:55:52.160 Literally committed, you know, murder and he got a quarter million.

03:55:58.280 Like it's based on the severity of the crime.

03:56:01.960 Yeah, it's not only severity.

03:56:03.320 That guy probably his family has no houses.

03:56:06.240 His mom probably works the job making 40,000.

03:56:08.900 Dad, he doesn't know.

03:56:10.380 And he probably has a sister working at CVS.

03:56:12.780 Like for him to put up that collateral for a quarter million dollars, right?

03:56:17.280 Whether they're going to go with a bail bondsman to pay $25,000, it's going to be a significantly weighted more that you're going to guarantee that he's going to show back up to court.

03:56:27.380 And if he was on that bond, he would probably highly – it's incentivized for everybody around him to make sure he doesn't reoffend because you're taking a significant amount of money, which is a first-degree crime, from the people around him that are basically vouching on collateral form.

03:56:44.040 Dalton, eitherly, this guy is damn near, 0.93

03:56:47.000 some people call him a white supremacist.

03:56:48.840 And I believe that when we look at his potential financial earning,

03:56:54.640 given the fact that he's free, I think it's up to $10 million.

03:56:57.420 I think $1.5 million is just fine.

03:57:01.220 Yeah, I mean, again, that's something for the lawyers to argue,

03:57:03.840 so that's fine.

03:57:04.640 I mean, we can Monday morning quarterback it all day,

03:57:06.680 but clearly they're going to probably make these arguments tomorrow,

03:57:08.640 I predict.

03:57:09.780 But, yeah, man.

03:57:10.440 I think they're going to reduce it to $750 million.

03:57:13.200 yeah they probably will they probably will yeah because i it's not again it's it he's a he's a

03:57:19.320 popular figure so of course they're gonna make it expensive in the beginning but yeah they're

03:57:22.520 gonna lower it and get him out of there so if you ask me i think there's gonna be a bond package

03:57:27.180 which you know i don't think they were prepared to really offer it at the time when well they

03:57:31.500 just didn't even listen to that he just said a bond if they come back with hey listen he's not

03:57:37.080 gonna be streaming right um which that might be also difficult because if that's the way he makes

03:57:42.520 money like hey get him out of there he'll have an ankle monitor on so okay he can stream but he'll

03:57:46.700 be in the house he'll be in the house he can't talk about the case and if they make certain type

03:57:51.020 of you know things that will make the court more comfortable i could definitely see them coming off

03:57:54.600 that 1.5 you know 700,000 um maybe 500,000 but um at some point he'll get out it's just that

03:58:01.580 i definitely believe the court's going to curb that behavior of what led to this yeah of course

03:58:06.120 i mean they're going to bring all the factors in flight risk reputation all that stuff is

03:58:09.860 considered but i'm saying even with all of that considered i think 1.25 is still excessive

03:58:14.300 compared to other people but that's again that's an argument that the lawyers are going to make

03:58:17.900 you know what i mean that's that's literally what they get paid to do so they'll you know

03:58:21.440 cite legal uh precedent look at other cases all that stuff so that's kind of you know it is what

03:58:27.620 it is but we'll see bro we'll see i mean tomorrow's a big day for him so you know it is what

03:58:31.620 it is okay so wrapping up here but we do have a lot more to talk about but i know you got to do

03:58:35.520 your stream i gotta get some topics that people want music uh so okay so let's just see you know

03:58:41.640 and by the way for people who are watching this you could have a um a friendly debate where you

03:58:46.820 disagree and you know again time is always the master is going to tell us who's right or you

03:58:51.740 know whatever it could still be really respectful i hope people will learn from that okay yeah

03:58:55.280 civil debate man civil debate level yeah let's broad level just figure out where we land on this

03:59:00.080 I think I think I believe it's a little bit cook. I don't believe he has a self-defense case.

03:59:08.740 And I do believe that one of the biggest things in this case is going to determine whether proportional force.

03:59:16.460 Can you do this? Can you summarize? OK, how about let's I'm gonna take a quick piss.

03:59:21.420 What I'm thinking we do to close this thing out is you give me what you think happened and then your prediction and then I'll and then I'll give.

03:59:27.480 I think that's the best way.

03:59:28.540 So the people that are just coming in will know what our positions are fully.

03:59:31.540 So let me just say a quick whiz and I'll be right back.

03:59:36.020 Yeah, by the way, chat.

03:59:40.580 How are you guys feeling?

03:59:41.740 Listen, we still got a lot of Iceman stuff to get to.

03:59:43.600 By the way, yeah, no, no.

03:59:45.380 Me and Myron, what people don't realize that me being cool with Myron

03:59:49.940 doesn't mean I agree with a lot of things he says or everything.

03:59:53.220 There are things that I think he's spot on.

03:59:55.560 and he's pretty good

03:59:57.040 he's pretty good usually with politics

03:59:59.820 politics

04:00:01.500 with

04:00:02.900 law and crime type of stuff

04:00:05.200 and he's like

04:00:06.520 at least his first niche is

04:00:09.140 the stuff with like 1.00

04:00:11.500 female logic and shit like that 0.96

04:00:12.980 but I will say 0.99

04:00:15.480 there are things that we kind of break

04:00:17.460 in terms of how we come

04:00:19.200 so let's do this

04:00:19.900 take me through your fact pattern

04:00:22.380 what you think happened in detail so everyone knows

04:00:24.700 and then tell us your conclusion

04:00:27.880 and what you think.

04:00:28.500 And then I'm not going to interrupt you.

04:00:29.800 I'm just going to listen

04:00:30.380 and then I'll give mine

04:00:31.140 and we can let the people decide.

04:00:33.520 I'm making a two-minute clip, all right?

04:00:35.060 Go for it.

04:00:35.360 So I believe that Dalton's

04:00:36.920 walking outside the courtroom.

04:00:38.320 He's definitely on edge.

04:00:39.080 He sees the narrative.

04:00:40.920 He's still doing content.

04:00:42.560 He tries to engage with these guys,

04:00:44.380 not necessarily in a racist way.

04:00:46.000 They know who he is.

04:00:47.800 They refuse to engage.

04:00:49.680 He does what he normally does,

04:00:50.960 try to push the conversation.

04:00:52.320 a guy who may or may not have bad intentions already

04:00:56.100 say, hey, listen, if you say some of the stuff

04:01:01.220 you normally say, I'm going to snap.

04:01:04.460 He then says it.

04:01:06.280 The guy attacks him.

04:01:08.600 He tries to defend himself.

04:01:10.420 While he'll defend himself, he shoots the guy.

04:01:13.400 People come in, they break it up

04:01:14.940 because they're still entangled.

04:01:16.860 And pretty much that's where we have officers

04:01:19.500 and everybody get involved.

04:01:20.340 And essentially, he gets charged after being held for a while after they realize and say, hey, listen, there's your self-defense claim is has so many holes in it.

04:01:31.620 It's possible that you could have been the provoker.

04:01:33.680 And also, number two, it's not proportional force.

04:01:36.680 So those two things, I think, have hasn't been legal hot water.

04:01:40.580 It's it's going to go towards either.

04:01:44.040 Him being convicted, I highly see that happening, but I highly doubt that happening.

04:01:49.020 but I do see him

04:01:50.460 you doubt he'll be convicted

04:01:51.560 yes

04:01:53.320 because it's going to be so long

04:01:57.300 drawn out you know most cases within the criminal

04:01:59.420 what do you think he'll plead to

04:02:00.440 what do you think he'll plead to

04:02:01.980 aggravated assault

04:02:05.640 yeah I think it was an overcharge

04:02:07.280 to get him with attempted murder aggravated assault

04:02:09.380 or maybe some assault with a deadly weapon 0.50

04:02:13.280 but something for the shot

04:02:15.580 so you agree that he didn't attempt to murder him then

04:02:17.500 you think that's excessive no yeah no i think it was excessive yeah yeah he definitely shot the guy

04:02:23.920 like i i think that was his way to try to fight he can't fight then i've been knew the guy couldn't

04:02:28.160 fight so again he's getting charged overcharged but of course he's going to set up for the play

04:02:33.840 okay i don't think if he was now if there's a video of him standing over the guy on some all-star

04:02:40.260 ben 10 thing trying to execute him that's that's attempted murdering me but i think he got punched

04:02:45.700 the guy maybe was still approaching 0.90

04:02:48.140 he shoots him and

04:02:50.100 yeah like he was trying to get the guy like

04:02:52.040 so question just so I make sure I understand your fact

04:02:54.120 pattern you said that they got an altercation

04:02:56.420 did

04:02:57.780 would you say Chud walked

04:03:00.140 away and the guy followed him

04:03:01.000 no okay what do you think happened then because it's important

04:03:04.100 when did the altercation happen

04:03:05.540 I think Chud's walking by these guys

04:03:07.860 yep

04:03:08.140 he's probably noticing they're snickering or whatever

04:03:11.400 he says what's up to them they basically

04:03:13.960 like, yo, yo, you'll get the move on, bro.

04:03:15.820 We're not trying to talk to you.

04:03:17.220 And I think he tries to engage with them, and one of them approach him.

04:03:22.280 So he never walks away.

04:03:25.540 Yeah, or even if he's walking away, he's already engaged with them.

04:03:31.180 Because I've seen it multiple times where it seems like he's engaged,

04:03:36.500 but he's trying to walk.

04:03:37.440 He's not really walking away. 1.00

04:03:38.720 He's just walking away saying, yeah, you a bitch, follow me to my car. 1.00

04:03:41.900 He's done that a bunch. 1.00

04:03:42.700 yeah follow me my car you'll see i got something for you come on yeah yeah follow me yeah he he

04:03:49.400 does that a lot i could show you five videos of him doing it so i don't believe in his body

04:03:54.800 language and his words or anything else again i don't know but this is him saying i'm trying to

04:04:00.540 walk away from this i believe he's still inciting he's still whatever and then he says the chimping

04:04:05.860 out thing the guy hits him that's okay so so to be clear because i want to really make sure i have 0.96

04:04:11.240 this so you think he did walk away but he was still talking shit he's walking away after the 0.63

04:04:19.540 guy pulls up he's trying to engage with the guy I don't think the guy followed him after he's 0.99

04:04:23.240 trying to leave I don't think he's trying to I think when he realized it Chud is one of those 1.00

04:04:28.840 guys that people in my chat would know niggas like this Chud is pussy so I've watched the video 1.00

04:04:36.140 where he's talking shit to the guy and right when he feels they're gonna do something he starts 1.00

04:04:40.100 walking away he's like yo like i can't share my screen but there's a video of him with three guys 0.98

04:04:46.720 and you could tell they kind of start almost surrounding him and he starts walking away

04:04:52.540 why because he all he wants to give them the idea like you know i'm walking to that gun right and

04:04:59.740 also he kind of sees the fact that he probably is going to get attacked so he's he's not de-escalating

04:05:06.500 that's not de-escalating

04:05:08.260 that's not like still filming 0.99

04:05:10.300 still talking shit but now you're walking away 0.99

04:05:12.400 you're just not trying to get attacked right there 1.00

04:05:14.760 and because he's always

04:05:16.720 why is this the first time somebody

04:05:18.580 punched him in the face because he always

04:05:20.520 does this thing he gets you riled up 1.00

04:05:22.100 and he's like ah man this guy's a bitch man 1.00

04:05:24.620 yeah he's a bitch you heard me 1.00

04:05:26.260 why does he do that 1.00

04:05:27.800 he's not in front of guy's face like no I called

04:05:30.600 you and he's not saying that

04:05:32.020 so let me ask you this

04:05:33.600 so if he's walking 1.00

04:05:36.440 away talking shit why can't those blacks be adults and just ignore them why follow them 1.00

04:05:42.420 if that were true let's assume this is true what what okay let's assume all that is true 1.00

04:05:49.140 why are they following him and attacking him then see black people got to take some accountability 0.52

04:05:53.580 bro like let's be honest first of all first of all first of all you're incorrectly stating blacks

04:06:00.100 when you say blacks you're talking about an entire race of people there's been 99 of people

04:06:05.600 that de-escalated with a guy antagonizing so if anything it actually proves that african-american

04:06:11.020 or black so whoever you want to call that group of people which i'm a part of in youtube um we have

04:06:17.160 actually been peaceful the antagonizer we've walked away from we have d with disengaged with

04:06:23.740 it was always inevitable that one person was not going to do it and again maybe it's not the best

04:06:30.160 representative of the entire community but it's definitely acknowledged that there was going to

04:06:34.640 be one person okay so let me just say this you can never justify violence over words bro when

04:06:42.040 they're walking away i'm sorry like you know people got to start being adults and you know 0.98

04:06:46.700 fuck your feelings like people say some things that hurt your feelings like you're following 0.99

04:06:50.100 them to following them and punching them well no i'm talking legally like you you legally walk up 1.00

04:06:55.500 to them and punch them you're in the wrong but okay let me go through my fact pattern so i so 0.98

04:06:58.940 you're saying that he walked away but he was still talking shit so you don't consider it disengaging 0.99

04:07:03.660 for real is that fair okay in your opinion okay fair fair here's the fact pattern and i before i 1.00

04:07:10.940 preface this guys uh come on over to kick i'm getting off youtube bro fuck you youtube uh come 0.90

04:07:14.860 on over i dropped the link in my thing i'll give my quick summary here and i just wanted to make 0.97

04:07:19.660 sure and before i tell my summary i want to make sure you have yours correctly he walks up says 0.97

04:07:24.380 hello they say get the fuck out of here he walks away but as he's walking away he's like oh fuck 1.00

04:07:29.580 out fuck you niggers blah blah blah all that other bullshit right right that's what you're saying yeah 1.00

04:07:33.660 As he's walking away, he's still talking shit. 1.00

04:07:36.160 That's when the guy confronts him saying, I got PTSD, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

04:07:39.880 And then he punches Chud.

04:07:41.640 That's what you think happened? 0.59

04:07:43.760 Yes.

04:07:44.280 Okay.

04:07:44.820 So, which is fairly similar to mine, but there are some differences.

04:07:49.080 Guys, I'm going to end the YouTube stream right now.

04:07:50.560 So come on over.

04:07:51.480 YouTube going down now.

04:07:53.580 Okay.

04:07:54.180 So before I get into this, I want to say what I'm about to say was told to me by multiple people that saw the stream.

04:08:02.040 Okay.

04:08:02.800 That's where I'm basing this narrative from.

04:08:05.180 Credible people that watch the stream in my community.

04:08:07.400 This is how it goes.

04:08:08.640 He's at the courthouse wearing a suit.

04:08:10.660 He sees people pointing at him and laughing.

04:08:12.940 He walks over to them and says, hey, how are you guys doing? 0.99

04:08:16.020 They say, get the fuck out of here. 0.98

04:08:17.780 He's like, okay, this is a free country. 0.99

04:08:19.880 I could do what I want.

04:08:20.840 Starts walking away.

04:08:22.160 As he's walking away, the guy closes the gap.

04:08:26.620 Maybe they're mouthing off together.

04:08:27.900 Who knows?

04:08:28.500 But the point is, is that he's walking away. 0.96

04:08:30.340 the guy travels a significant amount of distance okay to come and confront chud a significant

04:08:39.360 amount large amount as he does this he gets in chud's face and says i got ptsd call me a chimp 0.97

04:08:47.160 call me a nigger blah blah blah right or maybe he said it before as he's walking to him right 0.96

04:08:52.060 but the bottom line is he crossed the line saying these things whether he said it right in his face 0.94

04:08:56.980 or he said it as he was walking up, this is what was said.

04:08:59.640 As he gets into his face, they argue.

04:09:02.500 They're inches from each other's face.

04:09:04.620 He punches Chud.

04:09:06.100 Camera falls.

04:09:07.560 We don't hear anything.

04:09:09.040 Sorry, we can't see anything.

04:09:10.400 We can only hear.

04:09:11.980 A few seconds later, gunshots go off.

04:09:14.280 That's what happened. 0.96

04:09:15.480 If that fact pattern is correct,

04:09:18.200 which multiple witnesses have confirmed it for me,

04:09:20.360 that is a valid self-defense case

04:09:22.860 because despite the fact that people don't like Chud,

04:09:26.360 Despite the fact that people think he's a racist, none of that matters.

04:09:30.060 What matters is what transpired on that day in this specific interaction, and in this interaction, he walked away, he disengaged, the individual closed a significant amount of distance towards him and continued talking and then struck him first.

04:09:44.520 Chud is 100% within his right to defend himself.

04:09:48.020 Now, you made the distinction, well, I don't think he has the right to use deadly force.

04:09:52.400 Your argument is he could defend himself but not with deadly force.

04:09:54.400 my rebuttal to you is we don't know if he's justified using the deadly force and that's

04:10:01.280 my position because we don't know all the facts and what was going on through his head okay so

04:10:05.940 i am taking the legal route here neither of us can say he's not justified because we weren't there

04:10:11.700 and according to the law that's how it's done it's based on the individual's own personal

04:10:16.660 recollection of what they felt and saw at the time they were in the use of force instinct so

04:10:21.200 we'll have to see the video to get everything out but based on credible witnesses what i see my

04:10:25.740 knowledge talking with self-defense lawyers that is the um position i have based on talking to

04:10:30.740 experts my own experience etc all right and i and i hear um again we'll see and we can agree to

04:10:38.120 disagree and when the video comes out we can chat you know you have a major final prediction i think

04:10:43.260 oh you won't get fully prosecuted he'll he'll he'll take a plea i think i think shut the builder

04:10:49.040 the the white knight uh supremacist is his career is over and we'll now see dalton um come back if

04:10:58.320 he ever wants to you know i i don't know if these audios are real but he's like oh i miss my girl

04:11:02.160 yeah well bubba or or maybe tyrone is in it i could keep a company i don't think he'll be doing

04:11:08.940 any more um yeah i think he'll be done with the the antagonization which that was the whole thing

04:11:15.760 You know, people are just saying, listen, if you got to get smoked, you got to get smoked.

04:11:19.520 You got to get him out of the way. Look like he's learned a lesson, whether he does a year in jail.

04:11:23.420 He's doing jail time now, regardless. As long as this behavior, he realizes it's not it's not sustainable.

04:11:31.340 You can't do this and think you're not going to keep being in these positions or probably, you know, I mean, I'm going to be honest with you. 0.96

04:11:38.140 The black guy who the black guy who pulled up on him, you know, might not be the smartest. 1.00

04:11:44.260 Like, they should have left Chud's brains on the pavement 1.00

04:11:46.840 Like, the guy's armed

04:11:48.200 He's telling you he's armed

04:11:49.360 The way how Chud is moving, I wouldn't pull up on him 1.00

04:11:52.660 Unless I got a gun

04:11:53.380 So, I don't know what some of these guys pulling up on him

04:11:56.140 Like, on arm

04:11:57.120 And that actually adds more credibility

04:12:00.320 That they know he's armed and they're still pulling up to him

04:12:02.220 Which, that might make a reasonable person believe

04:12:04.280 They're also armed

04:12:05.260 But that's a whole other thing

04:12:06.600 Okay, my prediction on the case

04:12:08.120 This will happen

04:12:09.040 If it gets past grand jury

04:12:10.580 Okay

04:12:13.320 Okay, if the video comes out and it gets past grand jury and it shows what people have told me, the prosecutor is either going to dismiss the charges or give him a simple assault thing, a plea deal, instead of actually charging him.

04:12:27.600 Or sorry, instead of actually going through with the attempted murder.

04:12:31.060 Do you think so?

04:12:32.200 Remember, if that video comes out and it's just like I described, he has a valid self-defense case, bro.

04:12:38.060 Now, let's assume we don't know the video and it goes to grand jury or whatever.

04:12:41.580 he's gonna have to go to trial to tell his side if he wants to do that

04:12:45.380 but it's just so much in the air we don't know yet yeah yeah the prosecutor's gotta be willing

04:12:52.260 to prosecute this even if it's a losing case i don't think it's a losing case but well if it's

04:12:56.920 a clear-cut self-defense case bro if there's a clear-cut self-defense case and it's you know

04:13:00.940 clear as day they'll drop the charges or or they'll take it to trial anyway and let the jury 0.58

04:13:06.740 decide so that they don't fucking you know so there's not riots that might be the other reason

04:13:11.040 Yeah, but the only thing I, you know, let's say lesser charge, not simple assault. 0.97

04:13:16.380 I say some type of, it's a gun.

04:13:18.640 Simple assault.

04:13:19.700 Again, it depends.

04:13:21.640 If he has a valid self-defense case, who knows what the prosecutor might go ahead and come up with.

04:13:28.160 But, yeah, I mean, that's my take.

04:13:31.540 Last question before I get off here.

04:13:32.720 Yeah, sure.

04:13:33.060 The money that's raised for his legal defense, do you think he should be able to, well, that's the hearing.

04:13:39.460 That's what it's about, pretty much.

04:13:41.040 do you think it should be able to use by him

04:13:44.040 or should he have to pony up things from himself and his family

04:13:46.720 using their assets and net worth?

04:13:48.700 I know another, there was another GoFundMe

04:13:52.640 that was made by his family.

04:13:54.820 So that's the new one that they're using.

04:13:57.840 He doesn't have access to the other one.

04:13:59.560 Do you think any public funds should be used?

04:14:02.820 I guess that's what I'm saying.

04:14:04.220 Oh, should people donate to his bond?

04:14:08.220 Should it be able to be used or considered by the court?

04:14:11.040 whatever people um in the public have donated yeah i mean they let their i think they're letting

04:14:16.800 luigi mangione use his and that's another state case and for a significantly worse crime so i

04:14:22.560 think they probably more than because this is why this is why i think they're going to let him use

04:14:25.840 it um i know the prosecutor tried to motion for it not but if they don't let him use it he can

04:14:30.400 make the argument i didn't have sufficient um i wasn't able to sufficiently defend myself and the

04:14:35.580 government stopped me from doing that or the state stopped me from doing that which is a violation of

04:14:38.920 my rights he could have a very strong argument for that that like they forced me as a public

04:14:44.820 defender when i had the funds and this is violating my uh you know sixth amendment or some

04:14:49.260 shit okay all right my thank you thank you i appreciate you you know different opinions here

04:14:56.080 but we'll see in time yeah the video is the big one the the the um the video is going to be the 0.67

04:15:03.060 biggest one but no that was a good discussion bro good discussion yeah no absolutely all right

04:15:07.380 brother uh myron myron games people uh you guys go check him out fresh and fit also myron games x

04:15:12.240 he streams frequently on kick quit oh not twitch but kick um yeah i'm mostly yeah i'm everywhere

04:15:19.340 i do the true crime the the true crime shit geopolitics all that stuff i was actually talking 0.51

04:15:24.540 about the massey situation um right before i uh came on with you bro they spent 30 million to get 0.97

04:15:30.000 him out of kentucky as a rep it's just crazy but all right bro you take it easy all right brother

04:15:36.180 piece all right um good discussion i uh a bit frustrating at times but you got to do what you

04:15:45.600 got to do right uh i'll stay on a little bit longer with you guys and i'm gonna still haven't 0.92

04:15:50.120 slept man i'm cooked i'm gonna like no sleep doing debates fucking crazy 0.86

04:15:54.520 how'd you guys like that how'd you guys like that let me look at his chat he's they're probably 0.99

04:16:03.940 fucking chimpin' out right now in the chat. 1.00

04:16:06.420 Let's see. 1.00

04:16:07.660 Let's see how dumb his chat is. 0.99

04:16:13.400 You was letting him play, but you took the W. 1.00

04:16:15.480 Yeah, these niggas are stupid, bro. 1.00

04:16:19.600 Idiot chat. 1.00

04:16:20.220 Yeah. 1.00

04:16:20.700 More division with Chud. 1.00

04:16:23.260 Yeah, look at his niggas. 1.00

04:16:24.260 Start to stream over and play Iceman. 1.00

04:16:26.560 Yo, these niggas are retarded in Axe chat, bro. 1.00

04:16:30.240 Like, literally retarded these niggas, bro. 1.00

04:16:33.940 like just straight 1.00

04:16:36.720 fuck Byron, Neo Bozo 1.00

04:16:38.280 that's how I could tell 1.00

04:16:39.080 it's a fucking retarded black bro 1.00

04:16:40.460 notice how none of these niggas 1.00

04:16:42.320 are kidding 0.99

04:16:42.700 call me a liar though

04:16:44.020 this dude saying

04:16:46.040 there's no stream video

04:16:46.800 he's lying 1.00

04:16:47.220 yo these niggas are retarded bro 1.00

04:16:49.140 these niggas are so fucking stupid 1.00

04:16:51.760 mine out thanks god 1.00

04:16:58.200 yeah these niggas are stupid bro 1.00

04:16:59.440 yo 1.00

04:16:59.980 I am convinced 1.00

04:17:01.280 Ak has the dumbest chat 1.00

04:17:03.940 in history, bro. 1.00

04:17:05.960 Like, if you guys look, it's all ad-homs, bro.

04:17:09.980 All ad-homs, bro.

04:17:15.500 Look at this.

04:17:16.020 Yo, I go crazy on him. He disrespected us.

04:17:18.180 Fuck that. 1.00

04:17:18.920 Bro, these niggers are stupid, bro. 1.00

04:17:22.700 Oh, my God, bro. 1.00

04:17:24.960 Yo, every time I fucking, you know, 1.00

04:17:28.260 talk to these niggers, bro, 1.00

04:17:29.180 I'm just like, what the fuck? 1.00

04:17:31.800 Yo, notice how nobody in chat can rebut 1.00

04:17:33.560 anything i said bro like what the oh you know what i forgot i should have done this shit man 0.99

04:17:39.260 i should have fucking pulled out this list right here bro yo i had to pin this shit man 1.00

04:17:44.160 nigga look at this people think i'm just like a random person that like hates blacks for no 1.00

04:17:48.940 reason bro look at this shit what here's 10 irrefutable facts why black fatigue is through 0.99

04:17:55.020 the roof one black americans make up only 30 percent of the u.s population but our massive 1.00

04:17:59.820 net drain on society. They commit 50 to 56% 1.00

04:18:01.780 of all murders and roughly 50% of robberies per

04:18:03.760 year. FBI, UCR.

04:18:05.660 Black males, who are just 67% of the population, 1.00

04:18:07.700 drive the majority of this. Over 90% 0.97

04:18:09.400 of black murder victims are killed by other blacks. 1.00

04:18:11.980 The black-white IQ, number two, 0.95

04:18:13.540 black-white IQ is real and persistent, about 15 0.95

04:18:15.420 points. So blacks average 1.00

04:18:17.400 85, whites around 15. Three, 0.84

04:18:19.460 family structure collapse. 47% of black 1.00

04:18:21.400 mothers are single. Over 66% of black children

04:18:23.380 grow up in a single-mother home. And 69-plus

04:18:25.500 of black birds are non-marital.

04:18:27.760 Marital. 0.99

04:18:27.960 marital uh they represent fiscal drain blacks heavily uh overrepresented in welfare food stamps 0.56

04:18:34.480 medicaid and other means tested programs while paying less than tax on average five education 0.92

04:18:38.260 disaster despite massive spending black students lack whites and asians by about one standard

04:18:42.540 deviation in reading and math urban school districts of the high black population spend 0.63

04:18:45.800 heavily but terrible results six the victimhood mentality too many blame everything on systemic

04:18:50.000 racism slavery redlining or black or white supremacy instead of facing the data seven the

04:18:55.040 Economic and social costs are enormous.

04:18:56.720 The 2020 BLM riots cost $1 to $2 billion plus in insured damages alone,

04:19:01.080 the most expensive civil unrest in U.S. history. 1.00

04:19:03.900 Black areas show high disorder. 0.98

04:19:06.000 Eight, police encounters are higher because of higher crime and resistance rate. 0.95

04:19:08.760 Blacks are killed by police at 2.5 to 3 times per the capita,

04:19:12.240 but this tracks violent offending and armed encounters. 0.95

04:19:14.460 As we know, they're over 50%.

04:19:15.800 Nine, all the excuses like redlining slavery do not hold up.

04:19:18.560 Ten, bottom line, high time preference, low accountability, entitlement culture 0.97

04:19:22.280 turn a subset of the community into a constant societal fucking burden so bro and here's all 0.96

04:19:28.140 my sources bro and then niggas wonder why all of this is facts bro all of this is facts 0.98

04:19:37.480 and then i go i'm freezing to you monkeys now go ahead and chip out in the comments and i posted 1.00

04:19:45.220 this meme right here because we already know the the fucking blacks are going to lose their mind 1.00

04:19:48.820 and then of course 1.00

04:19:50.920 you scroll down a bit 1.00

04:19:52.500 and then you're already going to see, look at this nigga 0.97

04:19:54.900 Myron's Homeland, Sudan, great buddy 1.00

04:19:56.760 didn't address my argument 1.00

04:19:59.520 this dude hates that he's Arab 0.92

04:20:00.960 identity crisis stems from building his identity around 0.99

04:20:03.040 undeveloped white men who also hate themselves 1.00

04:20:05.060 another idiot that can't prove me wrong 1.00

04:20:06.700 don't usually see this many facts in the post, okay he kept it 1.00

04:20:09.540 the people who need to understand this

04:20:13.560 don't have the IQ to read through this

04:20:14.980 and be able to change their own destiny, exactly bro

04:20:16.920 Paragraphs are a waste of time

04:20:21.400 You don't believe in a rollercoaster

04:20:22.480 Life is a rollercoaster

04:20:23.980 You're going to be devastated when your car

04:20:25.340 Of life takes a dip and loops in the opposite direction 0.98

04:20:27.620 Nigga, what? 1.00

04:20:28.920 What the fuck? 1.00

04:20:30.800 Bro 1.00

04:20:31.160 Bro, I fucking hate these niggas, bro 1.00

04:20:35.400 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

04:20:37.020 Ha! 1.00

04:20:44.300 Yo, chat 1.00

04:20:45.160 Uh oh, retard alert 0.98

04:20:47.960 Dude, I get more racist every day, chat 1.00

04:20:49.860 I literally get more racist every day, bro 1.00

04:20:54.220 And fucking credible, man 0.99

04:20:58.120 Yo 1.00

04:21:01.020 Look, look at this guy in Sudan 1.00

04:21:06.200 People are so stupid, man 1.00

04:21:15.160 Look at this dumbass nigga 1.00

04:21:17.960 This long ass post shows how the pressure is fucking you up 1.00

04:21:20.960 You're losing weight and it's making your head look bigger than what it is 1.00

04:21:23.960 Uh oh, retard alert 1.00

04:21:29.660 Bro, see why I hate these niggas, bro 1.00

04:21:36.180 Bro, I fucking hate these niggas, man 1.00

04:21:41.360 like really 1.00

04:21:45.420 if a black man says he's considered a coon 0.99

04:21:54.040 bottom line niggas are allergic to accountability and the truth 0.99

04:21:56.140 bro I'm telling you man 1.00

04:21:57.140 dude

04:21:59.900 incredible man

04:22:01.960 incredible

04:22:05.740 alright anyway 0.99

04:22:07.400 time to bring out the hood Myron 0.95

04:22:09.000 from sauce and can 1.00

04:22:10.780 Frankie has a higher IQ than all these niggas in Axe chat. 0.99

04:22:13.200 Does Axe have an issue with Carmelo using the GoFundMe? 1.00

04:22:15.760 Would you still have Chud on show after everything is done?

04:22:17.880 Sure.

04:22:18.600 Tally donated.

04:22:19.500 Welcome.

04:22:20.260 I think that Durag is a bit tight. 0.95

04:22:22.220 King, Axe to chimp.

04:22:24.040 Outside logic.

04:22:24.660 Didn't this happen outside of the courthouse?

04:22:25.940 That means plenty of cops on scene to break it up, even if he was hit.

04:22:31.040 There's no universal law that you cannot defend yourself with a gun.

04:22:33.180 Exactly.

04:22:34.160 Bro, the problem with Axe, he thinks the gun laws are like Jersey,

04:22:36.980 where it has to be equal force and doesn't know standard ground is different.

04:22:39.700 Exactly. 0.99

04:22:40.380 uh chud's a bitch let's be real it was 1v1 he should have fight okay bro all right that's a 1.00

04:22:47.880 comment entire argument is what he feels verse facts there are no fighting words unless they 0.99

04:22:52.940 are put together make an imminent threat exactly mr b i think ak is not measuring things properly

04:22:56.740 even on the fist fight if someone attacks me i punch the person so in proportion to what i

04:23:00.580 receive i'm most likely to be charged with something like aggravated assault only cops

04:23:03.520 have the right to one-up people ak needs to hear it from a lawyer sorry man but i can't listen

04:23:08.340 to it, it's like you are arguing with women

04:23:10.280 but in a civil manner.

04:23:12.320 It's so ironic that every point Tariq

04:23:14.440 Ademix tries to make

04:23:16.400 actually strike the shiz the feds. 0.96

04:23:18.480 The shiznit. This is the video? 0.96

04:23:21.600 What do you mean

04:23:22.240 this is the video?

04:23:29.260 Hold on.

04:23:38.340 bro this isn't a video at all bro this is the video before the shooting

04:23:48.960 i like ak however he doesn't have a fact pattern because he doesn't didn't do proper research

04:23:56.740 yeah mara please remind ak that this guy literally drove an hour to get to chuzz location to hunt

04:24:02.040 him down of course he was following chudge chudge oh i didn't know that if uh if someone swings on 0.57

04:24:07.100 you. You're carrying a firearm and you get slept because you 0.75

04:24:09.000 want to scrub. You're still responsible for the firearm and whoever

04:24:11.040 might take it from you and commit a crime. Exactly.

04:24:13.480 One chest. Myron hates stupid 1.00

04:24:14.920 fat people. Bro. Do not be fat 1.00

04:24:17.080 niggas. Jump in with one chest. 1.00

04:24:20.800 Zoom call

04:24:21.160 coming soon.

04:24:23.240 Myr, switch their racer. Make them both black 1.00

04:24:25.060 or white. Would literally argue with a 1.00

04:24:27.040 self-defense lawyer. Kick this guy off the 0.73

04:24:29.020 pod. Your boy, I gotta stop drinking. 0.97

04:24:31.740 Thank you, Myron. This shit is entertaining. 1.00

04:24:33.160 Yeah. Axe heart rate higher than his IQ. 1.00

04:24:35.940 You niggas are crazy, bro. 1.00

04:24:37.100 Okay, last thing I'm going to cover and then I'm going to go to sleep, bro. 1.00

04:24:41.160 We're going to watch this law and crime shit real quick. 0.98

04:24:46.560 Okay, do you guys want dash cam footage or do you guys want this murder for hire case? 0.99

04:25:00.280 Hold on.

04:25:02.780 Here it is.

04:25:03.520 Murder for hire

04:25:07.100 Daughter and dad 1.00

04:25:10.980 Try to kill the baby daddy 1.00

04:25:13.000 I'll do a poll real quick 1.00

04:25:29.820 Okay 1.00

04:25:33.520 all right vote niggas while i take a quick piss 0.93

04:25:39.940 vote now it's short bro only like a few like 20 seconds 0.74

04:26:03.520 .

04:26:33.520 All right.

04:26:53.020 Let's see what you guys voted.

04:26:56.140 What was the victor?

04:26:58.560 Who won?

04:27:00.040 I can't even see the poll.

04:27:03.520 which which one one guys murder for hire or the the police cam

04:27:16.960 murder for hire tpc okay thank you love you tbc yeah i know i could try uh trust you

04:27:29.480 i became a single teen mother cooked

04:27:34.960 all righty three seconds in thought at i would just say 17 because i was basically doing it by

04:27:43.420 myself and after being in that relationship for two and a half years i am now by myself again

04:27:49.280 a tiktok star is at the center of a chilling murder for hire investigation influencer gabby

04:27:56.400 gonzalez and her dad a florida attorney are accused of plotting to kill pop singer jack

04:28:01.900 avery who is the father of gabby's young daughter it's a case investigators say involves secret

04:28:06.660 payments undercover calls and a shocking alleged plan to make the boy band singer disappear we're

04:28:11.240 on the case presented by law and crime i'm chris stewart

04:28:14.380 i just i learned that i just need me five years ago being alone was like the worst thing that

04:28:25.440 could have happened to me and now being alone is the best you may know tiktoker gabby gonzalez

04:28:29.860 she's built a huge following posting about motherhood family life and day-to-day moments

04:28:34.520 with her daughter but now gabby gonzalez and her father francisco gonzalez have both been arrested

04:28:39.680 in a case police say involves an alleged murder for hire plot and the alleged target was not a

04:28:44.060 random person according to investigators the man they allegedly wanted dead was jack avery the

04:28:48.480 former why don't we singer and the dad of gabby's seven-year-old daughter police documents claim

04:28:53.240 francisco gonzalez who is also a florida attorney allegedly told someone it would be oh guys i

04:28:57.900 forgot to do a poll how do you guys think uh you think we took the w on that one guys you guys can

04:29:03.080 be honest you don't got to be biased you guys think we took the w on that one

04:29:06.760 easy easy w chat

04:29:16.980 i got him on a couple gotchas

04:29:20.780 yeah i think the hennessy was hitting him bro and you know what you want you want to know some

04:29:33.900 chat uh i don't know if you guys noticed his chat put a battery in his back that's why he was doing 0.93

04:29:38.620 all that shit his chat was put on were some of you guys in their chat i would look up every now 0.99

04:29:42.440 and then i'd see that you guys are calling a monkey's a show like that were you niggas in his 1.00

04:29:47.500 chat, bro? 0.98

04:29:55.140 Yo, I looked at this chat a couple times. I just saw y'all

04:29:57.260 niggas, like, making, like, putting the monkey emojis 1.00

04:29:59.360 and shit. So I was like, oh, those are definitely 1.00

04:30:01.220 my guys. Did they ban y'all?

04:30:07.320 Did they ban you guys?

04:30:12.500 I got banned. 1.00

04:30:15.320 A couple times, I just saw y'all niggas, like, 1.00

04:30:17.500 Yo, I will say this, bro. 1.00

04:30:19.280 I will say this. 0.97

04:30:20.440 You guys, I'm starting to realize that you guys are like the most cancerous chat ever, bro. 0.93

04:30:26.200 Yo. 1.00

04:30:27.940 Yo, you niggas are cancer, bro. 1.00

04:30:30.700 I'm actually, like, I shouldn't be admitting this. 1.00

04:30:34.920 I shouldn't be admitting this, but I'm going to say it anyway.

04:30:40.380 I really got red-pilled when we went to PBD's show.

04:30:45.660 Nigga had like 30,000 people watching

04:30:47.900 And I said hey bro

04:30:49.860 Guys everybody put 7k in the chat

04:30:51.660 And I kid you not 0.98

04:30:53.340 For like 5 fucking minutes straight 0.99

04:30:56.200 All I saw was 7k 1.00

04:30:57.360 You guys remember that shit? 1.00

04:31:03.340 Like 2 weeks ago 1.00

04:31:04.420 PBD said some dumb shit about Israel 1.00

04:31:08.640 And we just started clouding him 1.00

04:31:10.600 And I said yo everybody's spamming shit with 7k 0.99

04:31:12.440 Bro for 5 minutes 1.00

04:31:14.720 For five minutes

04:31:16.620 All I saw was 7,000

04:31:18.040 I already know 1.00

04:31:19.160 There was some nigga in the back 1.00

04:31:20.320 That was producing the show like 1.00

04:31:22.580 What the fuck 0.97

04:31:24.880 Why is everybody saying 7K 0.99

04:31:27.260 Oh man

04:31:33.020 For five minutes straight

04:31:36.840 And I kept seeing different names 0.99

04:31:38.080 That's why I was like oh shit 0.98

04:31:39.660 So 0.99

04:31:43.720 anyway just want to say that you guys are fucking awesome and um we we got some real motion chat 0.99

04:31:51.420 you guys literally literally be going into people shouldn't have fucking their shit up bro it's like 0.99

04:31:55.200 crazy all right anyway let's get back to it be quote cheaper if jack avery was dead and 0.99

04:32:02.840 investigators say the case did not stop at just words these allegations also go back roughly five

04:32:07.940 years to 2021 according to witness statements bank records and even an undercover fbi phone call

04:32:13.040 authorities believe there was an actual okay um just so you guys know i've actually worked

04:32:16.940 a murder for hire case before murder for hire cases a lot of times go federal because when

04:32:20.400 you use a phone to facilitate uh the murder of somebody uh it hits it connects his interstate

04:32:26.580 commerce so yo help you guys oh shout out to 271k jews i appreciate you guys if you're new here 0.65

04:32:35.320 follow the channel okay this is by far the most diverse you uh kick channel on kick we covered 0.81

04:32:42.120 all here as you guys can see we cover uh debates culture politics we went from fucking talking

04:32:48.440 about thomas massey and jewish control of america to a debate on uh chud the builder then now we're 0.98

04:32:54.400 doing true crime with murder for hire bro we literally do it fucking all over here guys we do 0.89

04:32:59.500 it all okay and i'm going to continue to work really hard to keep expanding my knowledge base 0.99

04:33:05.760 so that i can keep teaching our nigga shit you know we had a whole civics class in the beginning 0.97

04:33:09.640 of the stream then we went into the debate then we're now we're doing the murder fryer so if you 0.99

04:33:15.680 like the channel follow the channel completely free consider joining the oss it's only a dollar

04:33:19.740 for the first month that's how i'm able to do what i do and uh yeah let's keep going actual attempts

04:33:25.580 to make a murder for hire on jack avery happen now the details in this case they are shocking

04:33:30.220 and we're going to break down the entire story and it has wild allegations and the crazy part 0.96

04:33:34.340 guys is the her dad is a lawyer she conspired with her dad to kill this nigga bro like wait what 0.96

04:33:39.980 hey w dad though that's a rider there for real 0.99

04:33:44.020 bro really loves his daughter i'll tell you that let's begin with gabby gonzalez and who she is on

04:33:52.440 tiktok w dad she presents herself as a young mom who is figuring out life she has a seven-year-old

04:33:57.260 daughter who she had when she was just 17 years old through my journey in womanhood i have used

04:34:02.640 pretty much every period product under the sun from when i first got my period when i was 13

04:34:08.200 until now as a grown adult who has had a child who has had miscarriages who has lost a baby 1.00

04:34:16.340 a bunch of retarded yap bro oh my god dude these tiktok bitches are insufferable so i gotta skip 1.00

04:34:21.620 it who's a member of the boy band why don't we now according to the arrest affidavit filed by 1.00

04:34:26.000 the los angeles county district attorney's office okay so this is a state case now we know it's a

04:34:30.020 state case los angeles county district attorney's office state and quote long-standing custody and

04:34:36.980 visitation litigation between gabby and jack and according to that same document gabby's dad

04:34:41.420 francisco became quote deeply involved witnesses described francisco as heavily invested in the

04:34:46.380 custody dispute and hostile toward avery one witness told investigators that francisco said

04:34:50.740 words to the effect that quote it would be cheaper if avery were dead that witness allegedly

04:34:56.140 described the Gonzalez family as, quote, obsessed with obtaining full custody and excluding Avery

04:35:00.940 from his child's life. But before any alleged talk of murder, the police report says Francisco

04:35:05.240 was running a campaign against Avery. A detective wrote that text messages between Francisco and a

04:35:09.660 private investigator show Francisco allegedly directing surveillance activity on Avery in

04:35:13.440 Kauai, Hawaii. He sent photos and identifying details. He asked whether Avery was drinking,

04:35:17.420 smoking, alone, or receiving assistance. Bruh. It's anything that could be used against. The dad

04:35:21.840 wanted to slide, huh? Pops was ready to slide, huh? Avery in court. In a separate communication

04:35:27.420 reviewed by federal agents, Francisco allegedly discussed allegations that Avery had COVID.

04:35:31.780 Remember, we're back in 2021 at this point. And he expressed an intent to have Avery arrested if

04:35:36.260 he showed up for visitation. Yo, you guys said we were on the front page of Kik? How long ago

04:35:39.520 were we on the front page? And tried to involve a law enforcement contact. Investigators also

04:35:46.260 reviewed family group communications. In one exchange from March 22nd, 2021, Francisco allegedly

04:35:51.740 wrote quote call barca never too early according to the affidavit investigators considered that

04:35:55.780 significant because later evidence showed that gabby gonzalez and a man who we cannot confirm

04:35:59.980 has been arrested yet in this case allegedly attempted to recruit that person who authorities

04:36:03.500 identify as someone named dustin barca to threaten avery now of course we don't have confirmation

04:36:08.060 as of this reporting that that man named barca has been charged either in this case or whether

04:36:11.520 he will be so again these allegations they go back as far as 2021 this investigation has been

04:36:15.400 going on for roughly five years but holy shit throughout that time gabby has still been posting 0.50

04:36:21.380 on tiktok as if nothing was going on good morning everyone between espresso not like us 0.96

04:36:28.580 sorry i'm gonna fast forward bro he said the proposed hitman had been paid to kill avery

04:36:34.400 and that francisco paid approximately ten thousand dollars for the hit then come the financial

04:36:39.300 records in this case and they're huge according to the affidavit on april 26th 2021 francisco

04:36:43.740 gonzalez made an outgoing payment of ten thousand dollars to the alleged hitman through the payment

04:36:47.940 that's what got him cooked once the payment is sent you're you're done bro you're done he probably 0.99

04:36:54.160 wired that money to a fucking informant or undercover agent snap square records show the 0.98

04:36:59.060 money landing in the alleged hitman's account then the purported hitman moved two separate 0.99

04:37:03.080 five thousand dollar sums into his gemini cryptocurrency account on may 4th oh it might

04:37:07.640 be the real hitman in may 6th of 2021 then the next month on june 5th of that year the person

04:37:12.640 police believe is the hitman reportedly sent francisco a four thousand dollar invoice through

04:37:17.540 his business police claim francisco later paid that amount the charge appeared in francisco

04:37:22.080 subpoenaed bank records this alleged hitman later told investigators 1.00

04:37:25.400 yeah gee boogie enjoy the shadow realm idiot 1.00

04:37:34.360 time to send you to the shadow realm the future is mine 1.00

04:37:42.640 double kill he quote did not actually perform any web development services and believe the

04:37:51.280 invoice purpose was quote a cover according to the police report the alleged hitman stated

04:37:55.440 during follow-up investigation that francisco sent him money quote under the guise of web

04:37:59.680 development payments and that there had been no actual web development work the alleged hitman

04:38:04.160 also said he communicated with francisco through encrypted signal messages and calls but the most

04:38:09.520 direct evidence it appears came from a federal agent posing as the killer federal agents say

04:38:15.140 they reviewed a communication between the alleged hitman and someone listed interesting so they they

04:38:20.000 so la uh started the case and then they brought the fbi in later probably to help with expanding

04:38:25.960 you know reach and everything else like that as fran g had a phone number tied to francisco

04:38:33.700 allegedly in that communication fran g sent the code word bull volumes up don't worry guys i just

04:38:38.640 turn it up for you guys on youtube run followed by a missed audio call the alleged hitman responded

04:38:44.380 that he would call later that night and fran g indicated he was available after 7 p.m eastern

04:38:49.720 time then federal agents reviewed a call involving francisco gonzalez and an undercover agent posing

04:38:55.220 as a hitman in that call according to the affidavit that we have francisco used coded references

04:39:00.540 including bull run and he referenced prior bitcoin payment and discussed quote verifying the target

04:39:06.000 and arranging payment after completion.

04:39:08.280 Federal tracing materials showed

04:39:09.780 that the alleged hitman funded cryptocurrency payments

04:39:12.360 associated with the murder for hire request.

04:39:14.680 According to TMZ, Gabby was arrested last week

04:39:17.080 in Humboldt County, California,

04:39:18.420 which is in the far north of California,

04:39:20.380 as she was boarding a flight.

04:39:21.840 She was then transferred to LA County,

04:39:23.800 and that's where she is right now,

04:39:25.060 being held without bond,

04:39:26.140 according to online records

04:39:27.160 from the LA County Sheriff's Department.

04:39:28.760 She is set-

04:39:29.500 And here's the complaint right here.

04:39:36.000 They go through everything.

04:39:43.120 Finally claim for extradition arrest.

04:39:51.380 Interesting.

04:39:53.140 ...to be arraigned on the day we're recording this, Tuesday, for a conspiracy to commit murder.

04:39:57.440 Now, as for her dad, Francisco Gonzalez, he was arrested on the other side of the country in Seminole County, Florida.

04:40:01.940 That's in the central part of the state.

04:40:03.420 That's why they brought the FBI in.

04:40:05.080 Okay, because her dad's on the other side of the country.

04:40:06.940 A warrant out of California.

04:40:08.680 The Seminole County Sheriff's Office confirmed the arrest.

04:40:10.960 Francisco remains behind bars in Florida after he waived his right to extradition to L.A.

04:40:14.660 So he is going to go to the West Coast.

04:40:16.160 Now, here is something that we also want to add related to Jack Avery.

04:40:19.300 It is something we found, and we think it's very notable.

04:40:21.080 We found a podcast that Avery appeared on in September of 2025.

04:40:24.740 It's the Zach Sang Show.

04:40:26.100 And he tells this podcaster what sounded like at the time just a wild story.

04:40:29.940 that two FBI agents showed up at his door

04:40:32.900 notifying him of a conspiracy

04:40:34.580 saying that someone, quote,

04:40:36.080 hired someone to kill me. 1.00

04:40:37.740 Oh, shit. 1.00

04:40:38.420 Yeah, they have to notify. 1.00

04:40:41.280 So that makes sense.

04:40:42.260 All right, guys, I'm going to get off YouTube.

04:40:43.540 Come on over to Kick.

04:40:44.920 Getting off YouTube right now, guys.

04:40:46.320 Come on over to Kick Ninjas.

04:40:47.140 I just came on just to let you guys know

04:40:48.340 we're doing this murder for hire thing

04:40:49.340 and I'm going to dip out.

04:40:50.820 Come on over to Kick, guys.

04:40:54.220 YouTube going down.

04:40:55.160 x is going down party two come on over to kit guys kick.com says my against x

04:41:02.940 now we're not positive there's a connection there but the timing is oddly coincidental

04:41:09.260 jack avery would not go into further detail about what the fbi said this conspiracy was about and

04:41:15.760 who the person was who had allegedly hired someone to try and take his life but we did find it very

04:41:21.740 interesting that he also speaks very fondly of gabby gonzalez in this podcast not in the way

04:41:26.340 oh wow meanwhile she's trying to get that boy that boy cooked would speak of someone who you

04:41:32.700 believe could be trying to hire someone to take your life so it's unclear if you knew that the 1.00

04:41:37.000 fbi was also looking at gabby these women are cold-blooded bro as part of this alleged murder

04:41:41.600 for hire plot joining us now to talk more about this case is former federal prosecutor and the 0.74

04:41:45.220 president of west coast trial lawyers nema romani always great to have you here on law and crime

04:41:49.120 This investigation goes back to 2021, according to the court documents that we have.

04:41:53.620 What do you make of that timeline?

04:41:55.140 Chris, thanks for having me, as always.

04:41:56.420 I'm not surprised.

04:41:57.140 So what you want to do, especially for these murder for hire cases or really any case where

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04:42:08.420 Obviously, the last thing you want is for anyone to be murdered or in the case of the

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04:43:32.900 You know that this wasn't just an exaggeration

04:43:34.740 or something that was really preliminary,

04:43:36.900 that you have a premeditated concrete plan

04:43:38.760 and you have enough evidence to convict,

04:43:40.200 which is, I think, what happened here.

04:43:41.960 And before we get to Gabby Gonzalez

04:43:43.260 and what the case may look like against her,

04:43:45.060 there's still a lot that we don't know at this point francisco gonzalez her father um it seems

04:43:50.680 that law enforcement have the receipts both figuratively and literally so let me put if i

04:43:55.460 conceal care and you knock me unconscious you now have access to my gun therefore a punch can't

04:43:59.460 justify self-defense exactly a bladed stance of defensive posture not aggressive academics

04:44:05.160 need to understand as you are not the aggressor because you're preparing to be attacked exactly

04:44:09.260 your mind hope all is well brother and thank you for being genuine authentic uh even off cam we 0.68

04:44:14.540 spoke at the oss meet and your words really meant the fucking world one question though how can i 0.70

04:44:19.280 order uh that in the house sign was uh i want to gift it yeah i have uh um sean gifted it to me 0.84

04:44:25.100 it's it's a one-of-a-kind guys sean gifted it to me i'm here from uncensored america he also gave

04:44:30.400 me this debrief sign too shout out to sean as far as um some bank transactions that were made it

04:44:35.080 appears that there are some some people who made statements as well that he discussed hiring a hit

04:44:38.340 man you certainly have an alleged motive based on just this custody dispute that's been going on

04:44:42.400 for some period of time what stands out to you about what the case may be for him kind of the

04:44:47.860 crux of it going forward and proving according to prosecutors that he tried to hire a hit man

04:44:52.000 or wanted to to kill jack avery yeah it's not well they got four years of evidence bro 0.93

04:44:56.640 so they probably got a mountain of fucking receipts uncommon obviously for there to be 0.98

04:45:04.720 violence or threats of violence when you're talking about a custody dispute no one really 0.99

04:45:08.180 matters to anyone who's watching than their own child. And I could tell you, my wife, for instance,

04:45:12.680 she represents foster kids. And I could tell you that some of those hearings in dependency court

04:45:17.720 are nastier than the worst criminal case I have handled, where someone's going to go to prison for

04:45:22.740 the rest of their life, and you're taking someone's child away from them. So we've seen it time and

04:45:26.220 time again, where someone kills their spouse, their ex-spouse, or tries to do so because of

04:45:30.240 custody. But we've also seen in some high profile cases where, you know, parents have gotten involved

04:45:35.640 because, you know, obviously they're the grandparent and they feel strongly too.

04:45:38.880 Probably the Dan Markell case out of Florida,

04:45:41.220 something we covered extensively here on Law and Crime,

04:45:43.260 was probably the most, you know, recent, you know, infamous example of that.

04:45:47.400 But it's not uncommon for the grandparents or the parents of the spouse

04:45:50.680 to be involved as well, which is what we're seeing here.

04:45:52.660 It's interesting because one of the alleged, you know,

04:45:54.760 people who are alleged to be a hitman or someone who we wanted to hire in this case,

04:45:58.620 they talk about $10,000, I think it is, that was given,

04:46:01.620 paid approximately $10,000 for this alleged hit.

04:46:04.380 and then you have a bro imagine going to jail for like almost life for 10k bro crazy all right

04:46:11.880 guilty as charged anytime someone was all capping you saying you're wrong we would tell them to stop

04:46:16.840 chipping to have some chicken also when we found another oh slash we would reply mocking his chest

04:46:21.980 saying uh sheet emoji you raised the code i don't ask you a question we were dying oh man yeah i saw 0.89

04:46:27.580 a bunch of sheet in a bunch of sheet in the act chat that shit was hilarious bro i know those 0.96

04:46:33.240 niggas were mad seeing you guys in there and react to the girl in strongsville ohio crashed 0.97

04:46:37.260 her car with her boyfriend and his best friend both the males died and she survived uh no i 0.99

04:46:41.160 didn't see that my fucking head hurts listening to academics code for an hour he either didn't 0.97

04:46:45.640 understand or refused to understand yeah hey myron just good still good discussion hey myron i'm just 0.99

04:46:50.600 a bit confused if thomas massey is one of 400 members of the house why it's such a big deal

04:46:54.820 he lost um the reason why it's a big deal he lost is because the jewish lobby paid to uh to

04:47:00.640 basically take him out and they had a extremely concerted effort to do so we're talking 32 million

04:47:06.660 dollars a presidential endorsement they spent a ridiculous amount of money to get him out of there

04:47:11.500 that's why it's a big deal you ran a child like russia been in ukraine osa stand together when

04:47:15.780 the fear makes your call appreciate you guys roma needs to pay my own more so we can stay on his

04:47:19.360 stay on same as kick yeah yeah it's okay though i hope you know you were talking to a brick wall

04:47:25.900 of an audience. Axe chat was

04:47:27.720 chimping out. No minds changed. Yeah, they're stupid.

04:47:30.620 Yo, my, uh, yo, my, check 1.00

04:47:31.860 out this IDF song about Human Shield.

04:47:33.960 Uh, I don't know if we have time today.

04:47:36.100 Uh, while I'm in the IRL,

04:47:37.640 shout out to him of Luritex for the next three days.

04:47:39.500 Streams are going to be saving my sanity. Got you, buddy.

04:47:41.720 Yo, my, if Chud's attorney repeats, are you going to

04:47:43.400 chimp out to the alleged victim while presenting evidence?

04:47:46.300 Wouldn't that technically trigger

04:47:47.260 his PTSD? Eh, still not just in case to

04:47:49.300 punch him. Every argument he had involved, 0.54

04:47:51.360 yes or no. Yeah. Sup, my, join the

04:47:53.280 EDM scene? Eh,

04:47:54.640 Yeah, maybe next year.

04:47:58.060 A witness who says it was for some sort of like web development work that was never done.

04:48:03.400 When you're building a case like this, the fact that.

04:48:06.280 I'm going to look for police activity.

04:48:08.200 We'll give you guys both.

04:48:18.660 And as you guys know, I like to call the channel monkey activity.

04:48:21.400 that you could prove as a prosecutor that hey the money went here but it's not for what it was

04:48:35.500 intended for how does that factor into the story that you're going to tell to a jury if it even

04:48:38.720 gets to that point so chris these cases are primarily built in one of three ways or usually

04:48:43.220 all three obviously wiretaps if you have the defendant's own words that's helpful right

04:48:47.420 text messages recorded i'd be really shocked if they got a uh wiretap but it's a state who knows

04:48:52.460 phone calls then you need a lot of probable cause to get a wiretap chat sort of the next best thing

04:48:57.120 is an undercover in this case of an fbi agent who is posing you know abba the milk cow shout out to

04:49:02.820 you someone that might help with this hit the third still helpful but i think not as helpful

04:49:08.300 as other two are cooperators because you have people that might you know have a motivation to

04:49:12.820 Give me one second and just try to save themselves.

04:49:15.780 You know, sometimes they have their own criminal history that can get impeached on cross-examination.

04:49:19.840 But primarily because all this conduct really happens behind closed doors, those are the three ways that you build these types of cases.

04:49:25.200 And to answer your first question, probably are the reason why it took so long to get your ears.

04:49:29.420 What happens over that period of time?

04:49:30.680 Because for five years, if you have someone who is willing to pay money to kill somebody,

04:49:35.200 and then obviously this custody issue apparently was going on for such a long period of time,

04:49:39.120 like what is law enforcement doing to make sure that this person doesn't actually go through with

04:49:44.060 it yeah i mean that's really the best question right i mean we've seen it in other cases where

04:49:48.680 law enforcement has taken too long and there's a killer a potential killer loose you know you and

04:49:52.380 i we've talked about the david case for instance right where you know there's someone else found

04:49:55.980 that you know in september and it took many many months to make an arrest and people were sort of

04:49:59.760 critical i think that's a valid criticism as well obviously we want law enforcement to get it right

04:50:04.160 But if there's someone who is a potential killer out there, you know, and you allow them to go through with a murder or a murder for hire, I mean, that's a huge problem if you're law enforcement.

04:50:14.360 On the flip side, the delay can also help the defense.

04:50:16.840 It allows them to argue, look, I was really upset.

04:50:19.240 This is the middle of a custody hearing.

04:50:20.780 You know, we were just exaggerating.

04:50:22.220 There was no real plot to kill him. 0.99

04:50:23.760 You know, I just said, like, you know, I hope he dies and, you know, I can't wait for someone to kill him. 0.96

04:50:28.260 Obviously, that's not the best position to be in if you're the defense. 0.96

04:50:31.340 But if you can argue, hey, nothing really happened over the span of five years, that's certainly something that may resonate with the jury.

04:50:36.960 It's interesting because Gabby Gonzalez, she's obviously for people who are on TikTok and kind of social media.

04:50:40.620 She's one of those influencers that have she has quite a following.

04:50:43.800 And in the arrest documents that we have related to her dad, it seems like they are alleging that she was part of this conspiracy, that she wanted the father of her daughter dead and was going along.

04:50:55.520 They're accusing her of going along with what her dad wanted to do here and paying the money.

04:50:59.480 but it doesn't seem like she was the one who paid the money to do it. She may have said that she

04:51:02.280 wanted it done, but it doesn't seem like at least from what we have at this point, and we'll see

04:51:06.400 what evidence comes out on her case in California, but it doesn't seem like they have the receipts

04:51:10.280 that they do for her dad. What do you need to prove in cases like this when you're talking

04:51:13.900 about conspiracy that it's not just someone saying like, yeah, I'd like the guy dead, but

04:51:16.620 actually they wanted to go through with it. Yeah. So for conspiracy, you have to prove a few things

04:51:20.420 and unlawful agreement between two or more people. And you have to prove and overact something really

04:51:26.460 substantial and furtherance of that conspiracy right so obviously any type of payment or attempted

04:51:30.320 payment to a hitman that's enough but you're right there's a very interesting potential dynamic here

04:51:36.560 where you could have someone like gabby for instance disclaim knowing anything and saying

04:51:40.240 look this was all that and you can have some finger pointing there and again going back to

04:51:44.180 that case that just got a lot of attention a lot of folks were prosecuted the dan markell case

04:51:48.460 you have in that case you know the hitman the mother of the spouse the brother of the spouse

04:51:56.160 the girlfriend of the brother everyone was prosecuted in that case except the spouse

04:51:59.600 who really had the most to gain from you know the father being dead in a custody dispute so it's

04:52:04.880 certainly possible that some family members were calling the shots and were co-conspirators and

04:52:09.400 gabby didn't know you know so it's gonna be fascinating to kind of present a united frontier

04:52:12.840 and say there was no conspiracy and this was exaggeration no overt acts defend it as a united

04:52:18.080 front or does gabby sort of point the finger at her father all right please video time

04:52:26.160 No, okay, why don't you step out for me first?

04:52:31.160 Why do you want me to step out, though?

04:52:32.160 What's that?

04:52:33.160 Why do you want me to step out, though?

04:52:34.160 Why, because we were trying to figure out what's going on while you're sleeping here

04:52:37.160 and stuff like that, and we're getting calls on you.

04:52:39.160 I'm just...

04:52:40.160 Okay, well, I'm just asking you to step out, man.

04:52:43.160 I don't have a sense of, like, really, like, why?

04:52:46.160 Why?

04:52:47.160 Because I'm gonna do my business over here.

04:52:49.160 I don't like doing it over here.

04:52:50.160 You've been fiddling around everywhere.

04:52:52.160 You don't know where your ID's at and stuff like that, so I want to do it over here.

04:52:54.780 Don't be fiddling around.

04:52:56.540 No.

04:52:57.540 Well, I'm telling you, don't be looking around.

04:52:59.580 I'm just looking.

04:53:00.680 Okay, that's why we don't want you to get around.

04:53:01.960 That's why we're pulling you out of the car.

04:53:03.040 Dude, just get out of the car. 1.00

04:53:04.660 Dude's a fucking retard, bro. 1.00

04:53:06.200 These niggas are so stupid, dude. 1.00

04:53:08.960 It's like, really, dude? 1.00

04:53:10.640 Are you this retarded? 1.00

04:53:12.620 Just get out of the car. 1.00

04:53:13.380 Come on.

04:53:15.340 Like, come on, dude.

04:53:16.380 Like, really?

04:53:16.840 I'm not doing anything wrong.

04:53:18.520 Okay.

04:53:19.060 Why?

04:53:19.720 We never said anything.

04:53:20.820 You're doing nothing.

04:53:21.780 Doing anything wrong.

04:53:22.480 We wanted to do your stuff out here.

04:53:24.160 Why? Why? Why don't you just tuck me right here? Why don't you just tuck me out here? Like, what the hell? Why don't I get a look out of my car?

04:53:36.900 Because we don't know what's in here. Where did I just come over here?

04:53:40.180 I'm not reaching. You guys have to see my ID. I got stuff everywhere. Look. I got stuff all over the ground. I got stuff everywhere. Come on.

04:53:48.660 dude really come on dude like why why are you gonna do that just relax dude why are you gonna

04:53:56.660 do why are you gonna do that just relax just come outside come on man like step to the park

04:54:01.220 i'm not doing anything bad okay then let's go over here and we'll be everything will be good

04:54:04.980 everything everything checks out all right like why why i'm not doing anything bad i mean come on

04:54:13.060 Look, I mean, do you know this?

04:54:15.700 We want to positively identify you, so if we want to positively identify you, just come out here and talk to him. 1.00

04:54:19.420 What a dumbass. 0.99

04:54:20.680 All right, if you can't find your wallet, we don't want you digging around. 1.00

04:54:23.180 Stupid beaner. 1.00

04:54:24.440 ID you over here. 1.00

04:54:27.140 No, not right now.

04:54:28.960 In a little bit. 0.99

04:54:31.100 He either got a warrant or he has a gun in the car or drugs or some shit. 0.97

04:54:34.780 And he's not supposed to have the gun. 0.96

04:54:35.900 It's right here.

04:54:37.440 I have my wallet.

04:54:38.620 Just step out of the car.

04:54:40.700 Why won't you step out of the car?

04:54:41.640 I'm just saying, it's right here, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look.

04:54:47.600 Stop going in places.

04:54:48.460 Look, look, look, look, look.

04:54:54.520 Step out of the car, man.

04:54:56.460 All right, let me make this big screen for you guys, and I'll get my face off the camera.

04:55:00.760 That's how we normally do these police videos.

04:55:08.500 Oh, hold on.

04:55:11.640 You guys trying to get me out of my car, dude.

04:55:14.500 Because it's safer for us, we want you out of the car.

04:55:17.420 Hey, stay over there, man.

04:55:19.940 Dude, why relax?

04:55:21.400 I'm not doing nothing bad.

04:55:22.640 Yes, you are. You're not listening to our command.

04:55:24.380 Do you want to get tased?

04:55:25.860 Do you want to get tased?

04:55:27.560 No, I don't want to get tased.

04:55:28.480 Okay, then come out.

04:55:29.360 Hey, watch out.

04:55:30.180 They're making such a simple request, bro. 1.00

04:55:33.080 These dudes are retarded. 1.00

04:55:36.720 It's because the door's all broken, look. 1.00

04:55:38.560 Okay, just open the door.

04:55:39.580 Well, come out. 1.00

04:55:41.640 stupid beaner 1.00

04:55:51.400 boom right there pulls it out from his right hand 1.00

04:56:06.920 yeah i saw that split second dude this is not use of force guys one second you don't have

04:56:11.580 a you don't have a choice one chance one sec you don't have the to do it next thing you know boom

04:56:19.180 boom you see i'm pulling out

04:56:26.700 so it looks like you hit his partner here

04:56:32.920 or maybe not gets away

04:56:38.100 Can we get another unit?

04:56:40.100 Subject to be freezing.

04:56:42.100 Fire!

04:56:44.100 Shots fired!

04:56:46.100 Shots fired!

04:56:48.100 Shots fired!

04:56:50.100 Shots fired!

04:56:52.100 Shots fired!

04:56:54.100 Shots fired!

04:57:02.100 Shots fired!

04:57:04.100 Shots fired!

04:57:06.100 He's already coughing up blood

04:57:36.100 He might not even know where he's hit yet.

04:58:06.100 I've been hit on the side, I need to go to the hospital.

04:58:13.100 I'm in the, I'm a hit.

04:58:16.100 Okay, get inside.

04:58:18.100 Get inside. 0.99

04:58:19.100 Get inside.

04:58:20.100 I opened the door! 1.00

04:58:22.100 Oh, fuck, dude, I'm hitting the side. 1.00

04:58:25.100 Where's he at? 1.00

04:58:26.100 Where's Dan?

04:58:27.100 Dan's in front of the car.

04:58:29.100 Okay, where's our bad guy?

04:58:30.100 I'm having Joe breathing.

04:58:31.100 Where's our bad guy?

04:58:32.100 He's in the truck.

04:58:33.100 Okay, he's still in there.

04:58:35.100 I got you, brother. You're good. You're okay, man.

04:58:37.960 Oh, I know where this is. This is next to the gym

04:58:39.560 that I used to go to.

04:58:41.080 If I'm not mistaken.

04:58:44.960 Why are you...

04:58:45.960 Just relax, man.

04:58:47.720 Just relax. Come on, man.

04:58:49.540 Just step to the farm, Carmen.

04:58:51.740 We never said you would.

04:58:52.720 Go over here and everything will be good.

04:58:54.220 Everything will be checked out, all right?

04:58:55.500 Dude, no.

04:58:59.120 I'm like, why?

04:59:00.120 I'm not doing anything bad. I mean, come on.

04:59:02.700 Good. I mean...

04:59:03.940 We want to positively identify you, so we want to come out here and talk to me, alright?

04:59:08.940 Because you can't find your wallet, we don't want you to...

04:59:33.940 This is crazy

04:59:49.840 So this guy didn't get hit

04:59:55.020 He got lucky

04:59:56.220 I'm surprised he was able to hit

04:59:57.480 The other cop that ran back

04:59:58.600 Normally when you run back

04:59:59.480 You're in a safer position

05:00:00.380 Like he ran to the side of the car 1.00

05:00:03.640 This motherfucker probably moved his arm 1.00

05:00:05.460 all around the window to shoot him. 1.00

05:00:08.340 Tompkins, Arville. 0.80

05:00:10.180 What's going on, channel?

05:00:13.080 Get away, get covered, get away! 1.00

05:00:23.840 Okay, what the fuck happened, though? 0.99

05:00:28.300 Okay, this week was... 0.99

05:00:31.140 The shot left two Metro police officers shot and one injured.

05:00:34.580 The 25-year-old Miguel Salas died from a fatal shot to the head. 1.00

05:00:36.960 Oh, shit. 1.00

05:00:40.340 So this guy got a shot off and killed him, probably. 1.00

05:00:47.440 Hey, man. 0.59

05:00:49.900 Shot fired and been hit.

05:00:50.700 Shot fired and been hit.

05:00:55.280 Subject to be free.

05:00:57.480 So.

05:00:57.740 so there he is okay he probably struck him right then you see you can see him he recoils a little 0.99

05:01:07.920 bit right here oh yeah that nigga dropped immediately he dropped immediately so yeah 0.99

05:01:16.660 that guy yeah the shooter got cooked all right okay guys I think uh I'm thinking I'm gonna take 0.99

05:01:28.260 off went on way longer than I said I would god damn it um I'm gonna be back on tonight with

05:01:34.280 Tekashi69 and the boys so I'm gonna try to get some rest guys probably around 11 o'clock

05:01:39.020 love you guys I'll see you ninjas what's up my own kick is a good platform I use both OS's kick

05:01:44.660 It's a sport, but both good.

05:01:45.760 Thank you so much, bro.

05:01:47.060 When have you had a YouTube video paused hit

05:01:48.740 or on your keyboard go frame by frame?

05:01:52.740 Oh, okay.

05:01:53.400 I'll do that next time, Poser.

05:01:54.620 Thank you.

05:01:55.580 Crush on anyone, bro.

05:01:56.380 You coming to Vegas? 0.97

05:01:57.380 Maybe this weekend.

05:01:59.600 All right, why don't you shout out

05:02:00.520 when I donate subs on Kik?

05:02:01.720 My name is Pick Eni.

05:02:03.760 I didn't see you donating subs today.

05:02:06.440 I shout out everybody, bro.

05:02:07.300 You might have just not missed it.

05:02:12.280 That police activity from Richmond, Minnesota

05:02:13.940 is crazy guy guy got smoked yeah we reacted to that oh that's your girl have you seen the will

05:02:18.220 tennyson video of him going to a country where it's illegal to be fat no i didn't see that

05:02:21.980 so all right all right guys love you ninjas i'll be back later tonight with uh takashi and uh

05:02:27.580 some ladies love you ninjas peace

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - May 20, 2026

Thomas Massie's L Is REALLY A Big W! Here's Why + AM News Coverage

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