The Debrief With MyronGainesX - Tory Lanez Verdict Debate w⧸@HasanAbi Ft.@KingAkademiks

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00:00:05.500 man when it comes to tori lane's trial i make this diet this is why you don't dabble in the dark

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00:00:48.800 hey what's up guys welcome to fresh and fit man uh today is friday which is normally a call-in

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00:01:17.720 yeah this is a very um this is a very important topic that we just had to cover we're going to

00:01:23.680 cover the whole britney renner thing but that's not going to happen because this is way more

00:01:27.340 important um i know that academics is live right now we'll assign lobby um we will definitely jump

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00:02:29.020 on it right now um real quick um so let me give you guys kind of the backstory of what happened with

00:02:33.520 the tori lane situation so you guys have a better idea academics going to call us here pretty soon

00:02:37.280 probably on discord and we'll jump into the conversation i know he's uh having a talk right now

00:02:41.240 with uh with uh son so uh anyway basically guys back in uh july of 2020 last year um meg tori and

00:02:50.760 her friend kelsey right were at a party at the uh jenner's house and you know they got intoxicated

00:02:57.500 extremely intoxicated yeah um and you know tori was kind of putting the mac moves on kylie jenner

00:03:02.720 meg didn't really like that um and they left right and and they you know there's some disagreements

00:03:08.500 on did they leave one time to come back or whatever it may be but i'm just gonna say keep

00:03:11.860 it nice and simple for y'all with the summary they left and uh tori ended up leaving with them

00:03:16.260 an argument ensued in the vehicle which uh we'll talk about that in more detail when we jump on

00:03:20.340 other stream what they were arguing about but an argument ensued between all three parties meg

00:03:24.360 the stallion tori and kelsey uh at some point the vehicle stopped meg got out and then there were

00:03:30.580 some gunshots fired five to be exact and meg ended up getting some of that uh shrapnel in her foot

00:03:36.020 uh she alleged that tori said dance bitch dance she turned around and she saw him shooting at her

00:03:43.740 over the window um she also claimed that is because she said his music was trash yeah there was an

00:03:49.540 argument about uh yeah about his music there was an argument about uh you know kelsey between megan

00:03:57.540 having sex with men that she had put kelsey on with before just for context kelsey is megan the

00:04:03.100 stallion's best friend slash assistant they know each other since college um and and then uh during

00:04:09.660 the trial a whole bunch of different things went down i went into detail on this on fed 1811 so i'm

00:04:14.700 sure if you're tuning into this stream you more than likely know the general facts and circumstances

00:04:18.780 surrounding this case um but let's see here let me uh so we should be getting a discord call here soon

00:04:25.580 and the whole point here is that like the evidence does not show in any form fashion that tori did it

00:04:30.780 indefinitely it's like okay now there's uh a air of like a mystery because we don't know for a fact

00:04:37.340 that he did it however the jury uh declared that he was guilty and it's like bro getting the call chris

00:04:43.420 no no you should be getting a notification yeah this is crazy though because like bro i mean dude we knew

00:04:49.980 from all the evidence in the court people testifying bro no one knew for a fact like tori did it however i

00:04:55.660 don't know what's happening if ron nature pulled some strings if they paid off the jury who knows

00:04:59.100 what happened but bro like they declared that he was guilty and to me that's bullcrap bro um we can

00:05:04.620 talk about more academics here as well but it's just wild bro yeah you're gonna see like a little

00:05:09.820 notification chris and then that's when you'll know that they're calling in right now and yo she lied so

00:05:14.460 many times on the tv bro yeah on tv yeah honors on her live stream so many times they say bro like it's so

00:05:20.140 much cap in there and then they believe bro that's wild bro believe all of me is crap bro um the main

00:05:24.780 thing you guys got literally that is profoundly important there we go that's her account that

00:05:31.020 literally played a significant role in launching a criminal investigation is that but again again

00:05:37.660 arguing what we think happened we're arguing what should be proven in court if someone says i lied

00:05:42.780 like okay you can play the statement all you want but i lied i'm telling you the truth now is that

00:05:47.500 person credible yes or no

00:05:50.460 wait i'm sorry can you repeat that okay you're going off what kelsey said in september but she

00:05:55.020 literally showed up i lied i lied she's saying i lied then and i'm on her oath now and i lied so i

00:06:01.580 told you i'm telling you i lied then what's up are you going to say okay we're going to just ignore

00:06:06.620 the fact you're telling us your line and i don't think she never said she lied by the way she did say

00:06:12.060 she lied she said she said she lied on her testimony that's a big part of the reason why she

00:06:16.540 where did she say she lied on her testimony she just said she can't remember which is

00:06:21.180 inconsistent for sure because it was very clear when she was offering uh evidence to uh to launch this

00:06:28.860 criminal investigation but um i i don't think she ever said i lied um she just said i can't recall

00:06:36.940 you know ak myron's here we just joined in um are you guys talking about meg the sign right now

00:06:41.180 are you guys talking about kelsey in particular we literally just joined we're talking about

00:06:45.660 kelsey's um statement okay he's using one from september i'm using the fact that she got on the

00:06:51.500 stand and said that i did not tell the truth yeah wait she never wait oh no no no no you can't you

00:06:58.860 can't embellish in this circumstance because this is pretty important okay never got on the stand and

00:07:04.620 said i lied that's crazy yes she did she got on this these are the facts these are the facts this

00:07:12.940 is what happened okay no no no before you say these are the facts i want to i want you to actually show

00:07:17.420 me the facts and not milagro grams who has been proven time and time again that she was you know okay

00:07:25.020 mo gagnett who was there in person who watched it who is a lawyer himself he literally said she took

00:07:31.340 the stand first thing she did was take the fifth amendment you cannot take the fifth amendment

00:07:35.660 unless you might be criminally culpable for a crime then they said listen we'll give you immunity

00:07:41.820 if you testify keep in mind no you can you can still you can plead the fifth regardless like you

00:07:47.020 cannot refuse to testify hassan i i hate to say this to you bro but i used to investigate criminal

00:07:52.700 activity i used to be a former federal agent i know i know you're a fit i know i've seen i used to be

00:07:57.740 talking about i'm telling you you cannot take the fifth amendment okay unless you're criminally culpable

00:08:02.620 that is why gunna is not protected if they call him to testify he has to testify no you can definitely

00:08:08.380 say i plead the fifth it doesn't matter if you're like criminally culpable or not you can still refuse

00:08:14.140 to testify no you cannot because you are compelled to testify right if you don't have a fifth amendment

00:08:21.660 privilege no it's literally it's a right you can just say that you are pleading the fifth regardless

00:08:28.780 of whether it's because you're incriminating yourself or not you can only take the fifth

00:08:34.700 if you might incriminate yourself you cannot take the fifth any in any other circumstance you are

00:08:38.620 compelled to testify no you can still no you you definitely still can in any circumstance plead the

00:08:46.220 fifth it doesn't matter what the truth is i thought you were smarter than this even if you're not even

00:08:54.940 if you're not even if you that doesn't immediately mean that you are self-incriminating if that was the

00:09:00.380 case then that could be used as additional evidence like you guys are trying to do right now but that's

00:09:06.220 not the case but she's not the one in in colloquial in like the the you know in normie speak we always

00:09:14.060 assume when you plead the fifth oh that means they're guilty like they're incriminating themselves

00:09:17.980 that's what we say but that's not the case you can plead the fifth even if you are not actually

00:09:22.620 incriminating yourself that's kind of the point of being able to plead the fifth okay then you know

00:09:26.540 what let's use your logic used against you as evidence let's use your let's use your logic then

00:09:31.660 hassan if that was the case why did her lawyer fight tooth and nail to get her immunity

00:09:36.620 oh there we go exactly i i don't know exactly exactly this is the 14th of december so this is

00:09:48.460 tori lays and megan trial day three kelsey takes a stand she admits to line to prosecutors about

00:09:53.900 everything she told him you're reading no jumper right now who literally by your accounts got

00:10:00.060 got got dj academics they got got they joked the gun and literally posted about the the the verdict

00:10:08.940 coming in before the verdict had actually come in you can't just use their one-sided assessment of

00:10:15.260 the events that took place you originally went to megan kunif i'm watching your stream right now

00:10:19.740 you couldn't find the actual thing that you wanted out of her so you went to find the no jumper tweet

00:10:24.700 if you give me megan kunif's test uh megan kunif's uh you know actual court reporting then we can have

00:10:31.420 a conversation i got it it's like it's like you citing yourself come on hassan you're missing the

00:10:38.380 point here that kelsey right changed her story she went in and did an interview with with actually the

00:10:43.580 prosecutors not even law enforcement which is another big red flag but she went ahead and did an interview

00:10:47.820 in september say that what what's the red flag the red flag is she did an interview with the

00:10:52.460 prosecutors with no law enforcement there which is a huge red flag because prosecutors are not

00:10:56.860 supposed to be direct witnesses and witness testimony when you're doing a criminal investigation

00:11:01.740 there's supposed to be an investigator there and the reason why there wasn't an investigator there

00:11:05.420 is because the lead detective stagner right he has some issues no you can definitely have prosecutors

00:11:11.420 directly uh question uh witnesses no what you need an investigator there they can't be the only

00:11:19.420 witnesses because they're the ones prosecuting the case it's a conflict of interest you need

00:11:22.700 a sworn law enforcement officer there conducting and leading the interview prosecutors are literally

00:11:29.020 law enforcement officers pretty much functionally so i i don't know like you're making it seem like

00:11:33.820 they're operating on different teams here yes they do work together however you need an agent a

00:11:39.660 detective some type of police presence there to do the investigation and to do the interviews bro

00:11:44.380 and that's a big red flag i got it can i just address something really quickly i love chat

00:11:48.060 being like no black voices the son didn't want a black voice in that circumstance bro no jumper

00:11:52.300 adam 22's operation we're calling that a black voices now really halo boom is that what you're

00:11:57.980 saying in the chat dumbass shut the fuck up well anyway rapper the point i'm trying to make is there's

00:12:04.220 problems with kelsey's situation okay sorry there's problems with kelsey's situation because number one

00:12:10.540 she was interviewed by prosecutors only there wasn't an investigator there which is a problem in itself

00:12:14.540 and then second she switched her story up she said hey tori did xyz and you know made him criminally

00:12:19.820 culpable and then when she came in to testify she immediately took the fifth and then her defense

00:12:25.260 attorney said we need immunity they tried to get um they tried to get immunity where she'd be covered

00:12:31.340 all the way but they were only able to get use immunity because obviously to get transactional

00:12:34.700 immunity which would be her protected all the way that is very difficult to get you would need a da

00:12:38.940 signature to get that and obviously they're in the middle of trial they don't have time to go back

00:12:41.980 to da saying yo we need the signature so we're like listen we'll give her use immunity we're on

00:12:45.660 the record we're not going to prosecute her that's when she felt comfortable to go ahead and testify

00:12:51.020 after that pretty much so if she wasn't culpable why would she fight so hard why would her defense

00:12:55.500 attorney fight so hard to get her use immunity bro and you can only take the fifth right you can ask

00:13:01.340 any attorney this any defense attorney will tell you this you can only take the fifth when you might

00:13:05.420 be giving testimony you might that might incriminate yourself but if you if you're not necessarily

00:13:09.580 giving testimony that's going to incriminate yourself and other people then you're compelled

00:13:12.540 to testify that is why gunna cannot assert the fifth amendment privilege if they call him to testify

00:13:17.980 in the ysl trial if young dog goes to trial they're going to call gunna on and he cannot claim fifth

00:13:22.540 amendment he will he will have to testify that is a part of his plea deal okay so i can't speak on

00:13:32.300 why she wanted to uh why she no longer wanted to offer her testimony okay um she did get granted

00:13:42.140 immunity i'm pretty sure not the not the full-blown immunity if she was like to go up on that stand

00:13:47.420 and be like i actually uh i actually shot someone i i was the one who shot uh well if she did say that

00:13:55.260 all of a sudden your case falls apart of course the prosecutor is not going to do that

00:13:58.700 because someone could very easily fall out of favor with the victim like kelsey and megan did

00:14:04.380 and then turn around and be like you know what actually i'm the one who shot it but guess what

00:14:08.300 you guys gave me the fucking immunity you know what i mean like that she could have went on the

00:14:11.660 stand and said that though because they gave her use immunity which means her testimony that was

00:14:15.020 given in that circumstance could not be used against her however that does not mean that law

00:14:18.860 enforcement can't go interview other witnesses inconsistencies she could have very easily said

00:14:24.940 i am here to tell my truth i'm going to tell you exactly what happened and and i was wrong

00:14:30.300 originally she didn't even say that yeah because she because she knew before she was lying

00:14:37.500 she she got on the stand bro and said i lied but you just explained that she got immunity from

00:14:42.140 the original lie that she had told if you're claiming that she originally lied yes she originally lied

00:14:47.820 and she didn't want to give testimony because so there's a good chance admitting that she would not

00:14:52.700 have been liable under perjury in that regard because she had gotten immunity to offer her true

00:15:00.300 testimony in that circumstance no what i'm saying is that she could have been there's a bunch of things

00:15:05.820 that they could have hit her with there's a bunch of charges she could have got hit with

00:15:10.540 like what which is why which is which is like shooting you don't trust no jumper i got my man i

00:15:19.740 think i think he writes uh la times james queely this is this is uh kelsey on the stand our interview

00:15:26.300 that they were trying to refresh your memory many times with she says our interview was not a hundred

00:15:31.580 percent truthful yeah okay does that make you feel good brother you literally said whatever you're

00:15:39.340 saying i did not tell the truth she basically said it referred to it and kept almost looking at a

00:15:45.340 lawyer to say hey if i answer this am i getting fucked up legally and they did many sidebars that's

00:15:50.860 just the reality of it yeah her her interview her interview not being 100 truthful especially

00:15:56.860 when there's additional circumstances involved in there like whether or not i actually i'm not

00:16:01.180 familiar if she got uh asked the question about the million dollars that like uh she did get

00:16:06.060 asked that question or something like that she did she didn't get asked but there are plenty of

00:16:09.820 there are plenty of additional instances in that interview you you are the one who's inferring

00:16:14.940 the parts that you believe is not truthful from that interview and she still absolutely ended up

00:16:21.180 getting just read the rest of that what is the what's the rest of the quote we're not trusting

00:16:25.500 no jumper we definitely trust the la times yeah of course i trust the la times and i trust court

00:16:30.460 reporters you yourself admitted that no jumper got got so if no jumper got got and literally okay

00:16:39.340 harris says she struggled with postpartum depression and a recent death in the family

00:16:44.300 and her mind isn't here right now she also denied lanes offered her hush money which megan alleged

00:16:51.740 he did to the tune of a million dollars so she got the exact quote from her by the way wasn't an

00:16:56.460 immediate denial she literally said it wasn't exactly the way that that was presented i know

00:17:03.340 i know what i'm talking about because i know what quote that was the reason why we're bringing this

00:17:07.660 up by the way is because she has postpartum depression now she has a recent death in the family

00:17:12.460 now if anything her evidence or her additional information that she's going to offer currently now

00:17:18.380 and not back then is going to be less conclusive what about this one critically she wouldn't confirm

00:17:25.580 she saw lanes with the gun which she said in the recorded interview or that lanes threatened to shoot

00:17:32.300 her she won't confirm it in court she's like she wouldn't ask her yeah that doesn't wait what do you

00:17:38.380 mean that doesn't mean anything she already has oh you keep you keep referencing yes she literally

00:17:45.580 said yes because she didn't know you and i both know you and i both know she went on the stand and

00:17:51.740 said i can't recall anything i can't recall anything i have postpartum i'm depressed i can't recall

00:17:57.180 anything is basically what she said and then she's like that doesn't mean that doesn't mean that she

00:18:02.780 fucking absolutely lied that's the reason why they played the whole interview in a court of law if a

00:18:07.900 if if any type of witness or victim can't recall their statements and can't even affirm to it right

00:18:15.980 keep in mind she's now under oath she already acted weird with the hey i needed like immunity of the center

00:18:22.220 she can't co-sign the majority of what she said in a goddamn interview right you think that the jury

00:18:30.380 should be like okay let's just believe her really come on brother well first of all the jury did

00:18:35.180 believe her ultimately the jury believed megan the stallion who also is a witness in this circumstance

00:18:40.860 the jury also believed what she said originally which is important important to address in this

00:18:46.540 circumstance and the jury of course did not take into consideration that she pled the fifth

00:18:51.820 especially because she had the opportunity given an immunity to go back and correct the record and

00:18:58.300 refused to do so while simultaneously admitting that currently right now in this very moment was

00:19:06.060 not likely to give a clear-cut version of the events considering her postpartum depression and

00:19:11.580 a near and a recent death in the family that's what i'm stating that's the reason why the jury

00:19:16.940 deliberated in the way that it did yeah but you're missing a point here hassan see here's the thing

00:19:22.540 tori gets that fifth amendment privilege to not testify not being it used against him kelsey does not

00:19:27.740 kelsey is a witness in the case she's not the one on trial so if tori asserts but you can still

00:19:34.220 or potentially say please let me finish you have the right to plead the please

00:19:39.740 regardless finish you have the right to plead the fifth regardless of whether or not you're

00:19:43.900 actually incriminating yourself or not you just have that right that is a right that you have you're

00:19:47.500 just rambling bro bro i'm telling you tori gets the privilege of them not being able to judge him

00:19:53.820 for taking the fifth kelsey does not because the tori is the one that is accused okay that is the

00:20:00.060 reason why so when kelsey doesn't get that same fifth amendment privilege that level as tori because

00:20:05.260 he's the one that's actually being charged in a criminal case in a criminal court of law in the

00:20:09.340 united states so kelsey doesn't get that which is why she was like i need immunity if i'm going to talk

00:20:14.780 because she is compelled to testify that is why she asked for immunity in the first place

00:20:20.380 look go ahead you you said that you have to be guilty to plead the fifth that is not the you don't

00:20:28.860 have to be guilty for the right you have to be potentially liable right from a criminal standpoint

00:20:35.580 to invoke the fifth amendment any statement that you may give can incriminate yourself may validly claim

00:20:41.340 the fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination if you are an innocent witness

00:20:46.300 you can still plead the fifth that is precisely the reason why we look at pleading the fifth as a right

00:20:53.740 that people have and not as an indication that that person is somehow criminally liable which is what

00:20:59.980 you guys are doing right now okay you can only take the entire entire concept behind pleading the fifth

00:21:07.900 would be null and void if we automatically assume that that person is guilty every time they pled

00:21:14.380 the fifth no no pleading the fifth that isn't an implication of guilt however if you are you are making

00:21:22.060 it as though it is no no no well i mean one could take it as that but if you have zero conflict with

00:21:27.980 what's being asked of you when you're either subpoenaed and you're on the stand you gotta answer

00:21:32.220 you can't just magically say i plead the fifth and then say the judge says to you or you and

00:21:37.420 your attorney hey okay let's figure out why you're pleading the fifth and you're like no just because

00:21:41.580 i want to they're not gonna just be like okay you got it like i'll tell you the supreme court decision

00:21:46.860 that that the justice has made on this regard because like people do plead the fifth sometimes when

00:21:52.060 they're innocent or they might be afraid okay uh one reason or the other it's normal the criminal

00:21:57.820 justice system is fucking ruthless right um in the 2001 supreme court case the justice noted that the

00:22:03.500 right against self-incrimination provided by the fifth amendment in ohio versus reiner the court case

00:22:08.300 that i was telling you about earlier okay that the fifth amendment protects the innocent as well as the

00:22:13.100 guilty the court added that a witness may have a reasonable fear of prosecution and yet be innocent of

00:22:21.100 any wrongdoing the ruling noted that innocent people might be ensnared by ambiguous circumstances

00:22:29.580 so her right to plead the fifth in this circumstance was given to her and was protected by the supreme

00:22:36.940 court specifically for situations exactly like the one that she was entangled in where she could have

00:22:43.980 very easily been fearful she got very easily been fearful that she might be fearful of prosecution now

00:22:50.540 but she committed crimes that's because she committed crimes she committed crimes no no no but you're

00:22:56.780 but you're still doing that but you're but remember you're still doing that you're still claiming that

00:23:01.340 she is she is guilty because she bled the fifth if if you're if you're if you're saying she's but you are

00:23:08.380 a fed so i i'm not surprised that you think that but anyway let's go on let's move on you're saying

00:23:13.180 you're saying she's fearful of prosecution right you're literally alluding to the fact that maybe

00:23:18.380 something that she did or could say would be in some realm of maybe being able to um either the the

00:23:27.020 the da could pick up a charge on right we're not saying she's guilty yeah it doesn't even matter though

00:23:30.780 it doesn't matter because what matters is what she felt in that moment if she feels like she could be

00:23:36.940 ensnared for any reason whatsoever she has the constitutional right to be able to plead the

00:23:43.100 fifth in that regard that's it and that's what she did she exercised it hasan do you not see that

00:23:49.660 she was the prosecution star witness and that is problematic problematic and opening statements

00:23:56.460 and opening statements they literally referred to her witness was probably the person who survived

00:24:00.940 getting shot but you know she was a witness yes she was one of the big witnesses yeah but here's

00:24:05.740 the thing that's meg meg is obviously the victim so that's going to be a witness in itself but i'm

00:24:10.220 talking about the prosecution star witness from a how do i say this from an unbiased standpoint

00:24:15.260 according to them was kelsey and they talked about it in their opening statements he's going to come

00:24:19.340 in and leave everything together yeah when you get shot you are a little biased that's true

00:24:25.020 but you know you would probably be biased against the person who shot you in this case if you

00:24:30.620 claim that it is kelsey then she should probably be biased towards her right

00:24:35.740 what no what i'm saying is that the prosecution opening statements used kelsey and said kelsey's

00:24:41.260 going to come in here and weave together all our evidence they were relying heavily upon what

00:24:45.820 a jail call a text message okay and then also kelsey's testimony that's what they were weighing heavily

00:24:53.180 on and then for everything to make sense and come together they needed kelsey's testimony so when she

00:24:57.900 gets on the stand and takes the fifth amendment as the prosecution's main witness mind you that is

00:25:03.660 problematic well she like i said originally did uh allow this entire thing to come together with

00:25:10.940 her testimony um the text messages are also pretty damning too like uh saying 9-1-1 tory shot her tory

00:25:18.940 shot megan but that doesn't necessarily why do you think she why do you think she texted that and then also

00:25:25.980 uh gave corroborating evidence to that and and we're hyper focusing on like her pleading the fifth which

00:25:33.020 is her constitutional right to do so for any reason you know what i mean like she could just do that

00:25:37.740 which she did she exercised that but we just refuse to think about why she texted that we don't think

00:25:43.020 about why tory apologized to every party involved um we're we're not looking at any of those uh any of

00:25:49.500 those instances because prosecutorial witnesses don't take a fifth possible reasonable doubt out of like

00:25:55.100 you're working for the defense team you're making an inference that the apology is for the shooting while

00:26:00.380 you're definitely absolving um the reason why she would say i'm not taking a stand period unless as

00:26:06.300 soon as she got on the stand she said i'm playing the fifth it's not that she was asked anything as

00:26:09.500 soon as she got there but so you want to make the inference that the apology from tory which was

00:26:13.980 innocuous honestly didn't say what he's apologizing for say i'm sorry that's all he said but you're you're

00:26:19.980 saying that's for the shooting what do you think you you think he's apologizing because like an altercation

00:26:25.180 happened where like kelsey shot megan right that's what you were no because they normally go

00:26:29.820 hassan is because he exposed the whole situation for the shooting because like look if if i was

00:26:36.780 involved in a situation in the love triangle as you claim right and and the girl that was with me

00:26:42.060 shot the other girl i would not text like i'm sorry to everyone involved i'd be like

00:26:47.180 that was crazy remember when that shot you that was wild right like that's what i would text

00:26:51.500 you're operating on 2020 hindsight you got to remember these are women they're emotional

00:26:58.220 they're drunk it's late at night they just saw him get trying to go ahead and get with kylie jenner

00:27:02.700 obviously they're mad i think tory rains was very emotional i mean you can say that you can say that

00:27:07.900 that's fine but my point is this emotional and right and the other thing too kelsey right he exposes

00:27:15.900 meg the stein for having sex with men that she had originally hooked up with kelsey so that is how the

00:27:20.860 argument ensued so we don't know definitively if he was apologizing for shooting or for putting out

00:27:27.420 megan's information that kelsey that's like a much bigger thing that you would mention you'd be like

00:27:31.420 that was crazy when kelsey shot you right because only one person said that would be foolish to do

00:27:36.540 that though let's be honest i mean he's not like he's not gonna sit there be like yo that was crazy

00:27:41.020 that kelsey shot you know he's gonna say yo i'm if he apologizes we don't know what he apologized for so

00:27:45.340 you're in a situation you're in a love triangle you get a lot of women right i i feel like

00:27:49.340 like he doesn't talk about it all the time you're in a love triangle it happens all the time one of

00:27:54.300 the girls shoots the other girl you're gonna be like i'm sorry that that that's what that's how

00:27:58.940 it happened you wouldn't be like how insane was that that that this crazy bit shot you

00:28:04.940 am i right that's probably what you would say let me take this let me take this he's in custody and

00:28:10.460 he's been recorded over the jail phone why do you think you say why do you think why do you think

00:28:15.340 kelsey texted 9-1-1 tory shot meg so so now you're moving off the argument are we talking

00:28:20.860 no no i'm asking you i'm asking i legitimately want to know why do you think kelsey originally

00:28:25.740 texted that if you can see this point because you're saying what the text from him should be

00:28:30.300 i'm telling you why it's not like that he's in but tell me that tell me that tell me that just

00:28:34.540 i want to know what you mean why do you think kelsey texted 9-1-1 tory shot meg so by us moving

00:28:42.300 to this i'm going to answer it i'm feeling like you're conceding that other point because what

00:28:46.460 you're saying would be idiotic if you know you're calling off of a jail phone to say hey isn't it

00:28:52.220 crazy when you got shot by so-and-so you might as well give a fucking statement okay and not only that

00:28:57.180 because that's okay so you gotta remember he's protecting he's a rapper bro he's a rapper he

00:29:02.220 cannot snitch that is career suicide of course he's not going to go ahead and incriminate someone

00:29:06.700 else he's a rapper bro as another one because i have an answer for the other one he can't do that

00:29:14.540 okay that's why okay got it every rapper that gets caught cooperating with the police or snitching

00:29:21.100 or doing anything that might put someone else in jail their career is ruined so of course he's not

00:29:25.980 going to go ahead and text her career is ruined they can still go on uh dj academics's broadcast

00:29:30.300 like tekashi does okay man are we gonna are we gonna stick to the facts here are we gonna try

00:29:33.580 to make side jokes the point is is that rappers cannot sit there and snitch bro he's like no

00:29:40.300 enough yeah like what the yeah this guy isn't qualified to talk about the culture or anything

00:29:44.220 like that bro your facts are non-existent like you're deflecting crazy you're just deflecting

00:29:49.660 i'm telling you why it's not possible question and nobody was able to answer this question i

00:29:54.780 answered it it's a super question it's so direct can i incriminate kelsey text 9-1-1

00:30:01.020 tory shot megan if that's not the case it's 3v1 now by the way holy i'll answer that question but

00:30:07.100 i'm going to just assume that because you diverted you basically like you bowed out of that other point

00:30:12.380 i mean you can assume whatever you want to but just give me that answer i just want to know i'm like

00:30:16.060 genuinely interested in your perspective now i'll answer that question but but i really could just

00:30:20.140 ask a question to answer but i'll just answer myself if i was the best friend of someone who

00:30:25.660 just got in a drunken fight and i unfortunately shot at my best friend okay she got hurt if i'm

00:30:32.300 the closest person to her team you think i'm gonna text your team hey i shot meg come on now would you

00:30:38.780 text that oh so in that situation you think a text message is necessary right like you're saying

00:30:44.460 that the text message is necessary she's belligerent enough to grab a gun shoot megan

00:30:50.300 the stallion but then also somehow has it all together i guess like she the adrenaline kicked

00:30:55.580 in and all of a sudden she just like remembered the consequences of her actions and decided to

00:31:00.700 very cleverly and devilishly text this ruse even though tori lanes on instagram comments has also said

00:31:09.260 that kelsey had not shot megan the stallion and it like so clearly the the like no one has said

00:31:16.380 kelsey shot megan the stallion that has never even been brought up except for the blogosphere

00:31:21.100 are we going to hold what tori said on instagram which we don't even know if that's him controlling

00:31:26.140 this page we're going to hold him liable for that but we can't hold meg liable for saying out of

00:31:30.700 her own mouth a different story five times well i mean it was used thank you it was used from what

00:31:35.340 i understand when a lapd detective warren eberhardt took the stand to testify that tori lanes verified

00:31:39.820 ig account once commented on a theory that kelsey was a shooter saying that's not true okay perfect

00:31:44.460 i'm glad you said that now that's this incident happened two years ago they asked that same

00:31:49.180 detective when did you see that that message did you check the ip address of where it came from

00:31:55.660 because you know you could have an instagram account and somebody could access it from zimbabwe

00:32:00.060 somebody could access it from costa rica you think you think a hacking happened that's why

00:32:03.580 tori lane or you think tori lanes is insane so tori lanes is interns are are fighting against tori

00:32:09.260 lanes is what you're saying mid-trial mid-trial when mo went live tori lanes instagram joined the

00:32:15.740 live you think tori's in court joining live he has people no i don't but do you think someone with

00:32:20.940 access to tori's why is someone with access to tori lanes instagram account uh defending

00:32:25.820 i'm not saying you can't use that as some type of proof but number one you saw it a week ago before

00:32:36.940 trial when you had two years to see it right number two you made no fucking effort to try to at least go

00:32:45.660 out of your way to prove that he's the actual one that posted it to be fair i don't think they needed

00:32:51.260 that because uh ultimately it wasn't kelsey that was on trial it was tori lanes on trial because

00:32:56.860 again going back to the main thing the five points that the prosecution laid out was pretty open and

00:33:03.100 shut oftentimes cops not very good at their jobs okay no i can't i can't talk about feds i don't

00:33:09.020 know how myron was but clearly he wasn't that good because now he's doing a fucking pua podcast

00:33:13.660 however however okay however you're gonna attack the argument so you're gonna just attack the

00:33:19.980 person that's all you do literally it does seem like they had a lot of fucking a lot of evidence

00:33:25.820 right like i mean holy they had the witness who survived petition more to you brother you gotta

00:33:31.900 run for office like the way you're able to duck out of there's five there's five points of evidence

00:33:38.700 you move to another one and then when we try to get you there you flip to this other bro you're

00:33:43.580 counter was someone from zimbabwe might have fucking controlled his account the reason why

00:33:49.900 they didn't even have to fucking find this is because they already had five points of evidence

00:33:55.980 in a situation where it was tori lanes versus megan the stallion where you're being stupid you cover

00:34:02.460 all type of shit even if you're covering like the search warrants that was like executed mar-a-laga

00:34:06.380 come on you know if you're gonna use someone's social media writings and presents

00:34:11.260 nigga at least motherfucking execute a warrant instagram is gonna show you exactly where it

00:34:16.860 came from they took a screenshot from the shade room is that what you want the government to be

00:34:22.620 putting people in jail for that's all they found the screen again it's the reason why they didn't

00:34:27.980 conduct that level of investigation on that regard was because again it wasn't there was no like kelsey

00:34:34.620 is the actual shooter theory there was no evidence that kelsey was the actual shooter one of the most

00:34:40.140 damning pieces of evidence was also kelsey's own fucking text message saying 9-1-1 tori shop meg

00:34:46.940 if the police haven't done their due diligence and done their job you want to consider some

00:34:52.300 off instagram at least grant a warrant okay at least get the information in a right format

00:34:58.300 that the jury could have some validation to the you're presenting you're presenting like a blog

00:35:04.140 unfortunately academics says no like you know i have no there's no like you have to meet this

00:35:09.980 you understand they didn't need to do that because it was you know it ain't court yeah you're

00:35:15.900 you didn't but you know that they didn't need to do that you know what i mean like they didn't need to

00:35:20.780 you understand why i'm saying they didn't need to you're actually relying on it to make your point so

00:35:26.060 they didn't need to do it while you relied on it to make your point i'm bringing it up because i think

00:35:30.220 that it's already in there's already enough evidence as i've shown time and time again as to

00:35:35.180 why i feel the way i do about the situation i'm not right here's the point let me take this bro let

00:35:43.820 me take this hassan you have a you do a great job of deflecting like doing ad hominem attacks which

00:35:48.940 is fantastic but you know what let's go over each piece of evidence and actually talk about each piece

00:35:52.780 of evidence with facts versus you making jokes ad hominem attacks number one the jail call he never

00:35:58.140 actually admits to shooting at meg he's just profusely apologizing the text message he kelsey

00:36:03.980 says oh tori shot meg when they tried to bring in the witness to actually receive the text message

00:36:09.100 so they can get some context he didn't want to come in and testify i wonder why also the text messages

00:36:14.460 between meg and tori we don't necessarily know if he was apologizing for outing meg the stallion and her

00:36:20.540 promiscuity in the past along with her friend or if he was apologizing for kelsey and meg fist

00:36:25.580 fighting because him starting him giving that starting that conversation initiated the fist

00:36:29.340 fight or her getting shot we don't know what he was apologizing for it's ambiguous you're making

00:36:34.860 an inference let me well here's the thing you are the one who's making an inference off of that though

00:36:39.100 what do you i'm inference off of what exactly like you are using you are using that like you're

00:36:47.020 that in and of itself apologies in of itself yeah depending on which state you're in are not

00:36:51.500 admissible as evidence that's what i'm trying to tell you because of the things that you just

00:36:55.340 mentioned right like but do you not see my logic here is evidence that's what he's saying i'm not

00:37:00.700 using that as like evidence i'm telling you i'm going through that in and of itself when we're having

00:37:05.260 a conversation between uh normal human beings is kind of odd and the reason why i'm bringing that up

00:37:11.740 is because it's a weird thing to say when there's a much larger situation at play right what i mean by that is this if someone

00:37:21.500 if someone is shot in your vicinity oftentimes you would probably talk about that rather than apologize

00:37:28.300 for like your own personal actions that are completely unrelated to that situation no they

00:37:33.980 are related you're missing the point please let me finish my original point your circumstance please

00:37:37.740 let me finish probably bring up the shooting here's the rather than rather than fucking apologize

00:37:42.940 here's the thing you got to understand minor argument let me let me finish my point the reason why

00:37:47.740 okay he apologizes there's so many different reasons he could be apologizing for it could be

00:37:52.780 for them getting in a fight it could be for him revealing meg's promiscuous past it could be for

00:37:57.260 uh kelsey hitting her or whatever it may be her getting shot uh hurt him not wanting to leave the

00:38:02.460 house because he was flirting with kylie okay you got to understand that is the main point of consideration

00:38:08.460 of course though you got to look at all the other underlying facts as to what he could be apologizing

00:38:12.940 for he could be apologizing for hitting on kylie jenner in front of her disrespecting yeah that's

00:38:16.700 why i said like common sense right like that's why i said if someone was shot but the point is completely

00:38:20.780 outside of your control you wouldn't say oh man i'm sorry that like uh you know uh you know things

00:38:27.420 got out of hand you say that's crazy that she shot you he can't say that hassan because he's a rapper

00:38:33.180 and his ability right to sell records and make music is contingent upon his image he cannot sit

00:38:38.700 there we're making a lot of inferences no it's not an inference it's common sense bro when any any time

00:38:44.220 a rapper common sense bro let me finish let me finish if he's a rapper why is he apologizing

00:38:51.820 he can't openly say yo that's crazy that kelsey shot you he can't talk about five of the cases

00:38:57.180 i've decided five of the cases where a rapper who should have knew information about what actually

00:39:03.580 happened even if it happened to their own friend to shut up most notably who his bodyguard one of

00:39:10.540 his best friends got killed the bodyguard's mom was crying in court hey why don't you cooperate

00:39:15.980 cooperate he didn't say anything that's just what it is he didn't want to cooperate but there's a

00:39:21.260 difference between like saying it in court and saying it to the person that you're having a conversation

00:39:25.980 with if you're having a text message conversation at that time when you think that like you have an

00:39:30.140 ongoing relationship with that person so much so that you're trying to fix it by apologizing to them

00:39:34.460 you would probably you know still feel comfortable enough to be like you keep neglecting the point i

00:39:46.540 made one of the conversations right is tory incarcerated calling on a jail phone why would

00:39:55.660 he say anyone's name you think he's in ysl no he's not going to say anything hey i'm sorry this has

00:40:03.020 happened like that no more details no more no little whether it was you or not if you ask anybody from

00:40:09.980 the urban hip-hop culture they would probably say you shouldn't even make the call yeah and whether you

00:40:16.140 have it worse or not and also lasanne i think you don't know a culture like that in terms of like hip-hop and

00:40:20.860 the whole rap industry however tory if you snitched in the very beginning this will all be settled he

00:40:25.260 didn't say anything because he knew his career is on the line now regarding that as well well his

00:40:29.660 career is still on the line because you know yeah yeah he didn't really have a career let's be real

00:40:33.900 respect though you know 2016's last time he's popping off but tory's a big ass artist what are you talking

00:40:39.260 about he's huge oh i mean just because you might not listen to someone does not necessarily negate the

00:40:45.980 fact that they're uh your co-host how how old is he

00:40:52.940 how old you think i am bro what does it have to do with i have no idea i i have no idea but like you

00:40:57.740 said lasanne so i assume like 14 it's not your name bro here's the thing man no bro come on dude

00:41:05.820 you are a whole grown-ass man fucking using memes that 14 year old white boys use on the internet that

00:41:11.660 is fucking embarrassing you're not to like dismiss everything you're the master deflection you really

00:41:19.580 are the master deflection you know it's funny all this over talking you're doing you got a whole

00:41:23.180 ass show for yourself too all this over talking you're doing you're still wrong bro it's just hilarious

00:41:27.260 bro the chat's laughing at you right now bro you look dumb right now yeah go back go back anyway let's

00:41:32.220 go back to the facts let's go back to the facts what i was saying was okay the text messages the phone

00:41:37.740 calls okay he never overtly said hey sorry for shooting you and there's a bunch of search

00:41:42.460 situations that he could have apologized for so that's number one so we don't know exactly what

00:41:46.860 he was apologizing for and keep in mind hassan it is on the prosecution to prove that tori is guilty

00:41:52.780 beyond a reasonable doubt so that's ambiguous it isn't clear then on top of that we got gunshot residue

00:41:57.980 not only on tori but we have it on kelsey as well not to mention that kelsey and meg the stallion

00:42:03.500 gotten a full-on fledged fist fight prior to the shots going off that is a fact that's been

00:42:08.380 confirmed by kelsey and it got confirmed by sean kelly kelsey downplayed and said it was just a

00:42:12.300 bump however they were 100 fist fighting to the point where a pendant was found on the floor we

00:42:17.100 already talked about sean kelly's testimony being uh inconsistent i think i don't know if you were

00:42:21.980 there for that but yes but but here's the thing kelsey also shots or was he just like

00:42:26.060 fair enough on the street there's watching for no reason and then kelsey happened to be a

00:42:30.140 also admitted they fought though so that's what solidifies it kelsey also missed they they fought

00:42:34.860 she downplayed and said it was just a bump but the evidence shows otherwise you're nailing everything

00:42:39.180 if someone just bumped your nail wouldn't fall off and you're pended they were full-on fist fighting

00:42:43.660 i mean look i don't know that i don't know the exact details you know that's the problem you don't know

00:42:47.500 the details and you're talking that's the problem

00:42:52.060 uh well ultimately you're out of your wheelhouse here hassan respectfully with all the respect you're

00:42:57.260 out of your wheelhouse there was enough evidence out of your wheelhouse here you can say that all

00:43:02.620 you want but it doesn't seem like it especially with this 3v1 situation and you guys still

00:43:07.180 look really silly ultimately they might be saying something different in your chat right now but you

00:43:12.220 know what is silly outside of your hug box i doubt that is what's going on about what i said having

00:43:16.140 said that having said that how is this your wheelhouse i do not know i mean you're a fed and you don't even

00:43:22.060 fucking understand how the fifth amendment works so maybe that's good that you're no longer a fed

00:43:26.700 probably here's the thing bro the fifth amendment only works if you are going to incriminate yourself

00:43:36.060 you need reasonable expectation that you can be culpable criminally to be able to assert the fifth

00:43:40.220 because if that was the case right if that was the case that everyone would just be like oh i'm

00:43:43.660 just going to stay silent and no one will talk in court facts dude i'm i'm losing my mind dude

00:43:49.420 if the fifth amendment worked in the way that i know you have like cop brain right because you're

00:43:53.580 like you're you can't get out of the cop situation work that way it would literally imply that everyone

00:43:59.900 who pleased the fit would be guilty it would ruin the fifth amendment real quick real quick real quick

00:44:05.580 because i i notice you do this a lot like i you throw mad ad hominem attacks like i think he's

00:44:12.060 getting straight at at least at least on mine he's getting straight at whatever hey bro it's three

00:44:16.700 we want to i'm starting to lose it a little bit i was respectful in the beginning but god damn dude

00:44:21.580 i've been respectful too i haven't attacked you personally one time so your 40 year old co-host

00:44:26.460 called me lazan like he's a child come on don't talk you're making fun of a federal agent bro how old

00:44:32.060 are you 12 he's serving our country you're making fun of him you're lame bro dead ass so you're making fun oh

00:44:37.820 listen and get out your name let's talk about the most things that you don't know bro the point i'm

00:44:45.180 trying to make here is that thank you for serving our country sir here's the thing i've actually

00:44:49.900 investigated criminal cases i've been brief witnesses i've been in federal court several

00:44:53.820 times i've testified hundreds of times i have more experience in this than you understand the

00:44:58.140 fifth amendment that's crazy like that is actually crazy you don't understand the fifth amendment facts

00:45:02.700 you cannot randomly assert the fifth amendment unless you have reasonable expectation that those

00:45:07.420 statements that you're about to give criminal can't incriminate you it is the same exact reason

00:45:11.900 why gunner will not be able to use the fifth amendment privilege this is unrelated you can

00:45:17.500 literally using it as an example regardless okay you can plead the fifth regardless it is it is

00:45:23.260 the law okay it is you can plead the fifth but there are going to be consequences you can be held

00:45:28.940 in contempt of court you could be you can be uh there's issues that could arise from that if you

00:45:33.180 don't actually if there's no reasonable expectation that those things could be used against you

00:45:37.420 that's what i'm trying to say bro i i i know what you're trying to say but you're wrong and i've

00:45:44.940 i've i told you that there is a supreme court case on this exact issue that you're talking about

00:45:51.340 it does i also literally gave you the exact reason as to why it doesn't work that way because

00:45:56.780 if it worked that way then everyone would just assume you're guilty all the time every single

00:46:00.860 time you pled the fifth which would literally destroy the fifth amendment in general

00:46:05.420 son that wasn't his point and even when i said that wasn't my point right is of course

00:46:09.500 clean the fifth amendment because because you're inferring that she is guilty and you're also adding

00:46:15.420 additional reasons as to why she might be guilty you're speculating why she might be guilty and

00:46:20.540 saying that that's enough for reasonable doubt of course it's not enough for reasonable doubt

00:46:24.700 i already gave her original testimony yo i know me in particular said that by pleading the fifth

00:46:31.340 you could infer that that person believes that maybe something they could they could say could be

00:46:38.380 used to prosecute them i know but the jury cannot deliberate off of that they can't make inferences in

00:46:44.380 the same way that you are currently okay so if you want to tell your audience you want to educate

00:46:49.180 your audience on how it actually works instead of listening to uh to myron and his assessment of the

00:46:55.180 matter the reality is that when someone pleads the fifth you cannot assume that they are possibly

00:47:01.500 guilty myron is absolutely wrong that only extends to torrey lanes because torrey lanes is the one on

00:47:11.020 trial not kelsey bro okay if it literally doesn't matter why does she ask for immunity then

00:47:16.540 innocent an innocent party no that's not true you're wrong you're just wrong you you're not

00:47:22.140 wrong bro the law that you are supposedly protecting at the point yo dude well hassan you're just wrong

00:47:28.220 hassan the only person that can assert that fifth amendment without being judged is tory lanes because

00:47:33.660 he is the one on trial not kelsey if that was the case kelsey would not have asked for immunity

00:47:40.060 that is the difference and the jury can absolutely use the fact that she took the fifth amendment

00:47:44.380 in their deliberation i'm gonna be honest i'm gonna be honest with you okay like we know we know cops

00:47:49.420 are bad at knowing the law right but i really thought feds would be a little bit better at this

00:47:54.780 you are wrong it does not matter if she's on trial or not she as an innocent third party absolutely has

00:48:03.580 the right to plead the fifth she does because she thinks she might be it doesn't matter for what reason

00:48:09.180 okay and the jury cannot deliberate or infer or speculate any sort of guilt off of that

00:48:16.700 because if that was the case then you would undermine the entire reason behind why the fifth

00:48:21.420 amendment you know how about i bring a lawyer in here and show that show you that you're wrong

00:48:25.100 oh how about i bring that if you want but it's the constitution and the supreme the supreme court case

00:48:33.260 ohio v reiner's pretty fucking clear on this yeah it doesn't matter what a lawyer is going to tell me

00:48:38.140 now we're making it for everyone which is yeah i'm just mentioning the fact right so in the closing

00:48:45.980 by george which is tory's lawyer he did ask the the the jury to consider why did did uh she need the

00:48:54.620 need to plead the fifth she or need immunity actually need immunity right so they brought that up and also

00:49:01.740 um i probably forgot the first thing i was trying to say um when she oh so after she got immunity

00:49:07.820 like the judge she did try to plead the fifth while on the stand still and the judge forced her to

00:49:12.940 answer a few things yeah so i i just don't understand like lasan just made this very clear

00:49:19.100 you're telling us that you've never been in the courtroom yourself telling us about the fifth

00:49:23.340 amendment and we have an ex-fed here telling you to your face what it is this is dumb argument bro i

00:49:28.860 mean you're not qualified i really i really i really hate to say this but yes uh first of all

00:49:34.860 yes unfortunately the reality of the situation doesn't change when you tell me that someone has

00:49:40.700 has been a fed and that is the reality like i know i know you're you're trying to desperately at least

00:49:46.940 like create some position of authority here but that doesn't change the reality of what i'm telling you

00:49:52.700 yes you're googling answers bro you've never been it is surprising it is surprising to me as well i

00:49:58.140 mean okay yeah i'm a googling expert i guess but ultimately i'm still correct and you're still

00:50:04.220 incorrect and also you're not the fed so i don't know what the we're even talking about

00:50:09.100 this circumstance i'd rather be a googling expert that is correct than be the the second in command

00:50:15.740 uh next to a fed who is incorrect you're still wrong though like what are you arguing here bro

00:50:25.100 i i know i'm beginning i'm beginning to like you i'm on my bad i think you're dope thank you so much

00:50:30.300 you're fucking dope you're dope thank you so much thank you so much the whole conversation you're

00:50:35.980 you're dope you're dope you're dope has been derailed about this one particular meeting and like

00:50:41.980 it's it's a big piece uh of your argument is that like she she her her testimony was like

00:50:48.300 inconsistent when she didn't offer additional testimony grabbing the back and forth right

00:50:52.460 there i was allowing that to happen that that was part of his argument but like even with

00:50:56.780 without that being said i mean are you saying that if he can't argue that that his point was uh

00:51:02.860 we're invalid what do you what what point the point that he was arguing with with you about about

00:51:10.060 why her testimony number one um might just look a little shaky she's not a credible witness asan

00:51:17.260 at the end of the day bro she's not a credible witness is my main point in all this i don't i

00:51:21.420 don't agree with that i think that she was a credible uh she was initially when the investigation

00:51:26.860 was being conducted she was absolutely a credible witness she might have changed her perspective for

00:51:31.900 reasons that she also included uh like uh having postpartum stress postpartum disorder being

00:51:38.780 depressed because of a a death in the family but ultimately her new testimony is less

00:51:46.860 is less conclusive than her original testimony which is why they played the original testimony in

00:51:52.060 court dude she quite literally said that she lied that makes her a non-credible witness

00:51:56.540 they actually understand hey like you're pulling her you're pulling her less credible moments now

00:52:02.140 rather than the moments where she had more clarity back then when she talked to the cops well i'm going

00:52:07.500 to rely on when i'm going to rely on when she's under oath rather than when she's doing a phone interview

00:52:13.580 with the and it's not the cops it's the prosecutor she never talked to the cops yeah it's the

00:52:18.060 police detective got the lead detective got put on administrative leave she was going to show up

00:52:22.620 via subpoena they postponed it to to to um december and because they haven't talked to her in such a

00:52:29.260 long time because they've been requesting to try to talk to her they say hey let's get something on

00:52:34.220 record and that's when the prosecutors who you could ask myron even though you feel like he's not

00:52:39.980 credible you could actually do prosecutors actually do these interviews frequently with people who are

00:52:45.180 considered witnesses or is it a is it an agent or a detective you know what i mean this whole thing

00:52:50.940 like even from prosecutors prosecutors are literally just another arm of the criminal justice system

00:52:56.620 alongside cops they're not in contention with one another they are unless we're talking about very

00:53:01.900 unique instances where they're like prosecuting a cop they're not that's not how that's not how

00:53:07.020 information is usually gathered and also she didn't recant any of her she didn't recant any of

00:53:12.140 her prior testimony she only said like you also pulled up that um she does not want to offer any testimony

00:53:21.980 now that's it by the way she admitted she can't recall and she can't recall okay all right so if

00:53:29.740 you're mentioning a lot of the things that she had said and a lot of things that had happened that how

00:53:33.900 about we also mention that she also said on the stand that she that when they asked her hey are you

00:53:39.100 intimidated by tory being here she said no are you intimidated by whatever whatever she says she she's

00:53:45.340 only felt pressure coming from the prosecutors that's why they had a sidebar right after the jury left and

00:53:51.340 the prosecutor basically um said in open court that they felt offended that you know they're being

00:53:57.260 accused of trying to either coerce a witness which they believe they did too then they later got

00:54:02.380 permission to play her initial interview and they they got permission to play the interview to show that

00:54:07.980 she was not under duress when she gave it but what did she say in court she said if she was feeling

00:54:14.060 uncomfortable it was because of the pressure from the prosecutor i get it you are selective with what

00:54:18.860 you're going to believe and you know i'm i'm just telling you no i'm not selective with what i'm

00:54:23.740 going to believe first of all you're doing the exact same thing that you claim i'm doing right like

00:54:29.500 you refuse to you you uh omit certain details or you have no answer for certain details or when pressed

00:54:35.820 on it you say oh it's probably because he's a rapper like that's not even a good defense in any meaningful

00:54:40.700 uh way like so many pieces of evidence in this entire process there's so many pieces of evidence in this

00:54:47.500 entire process from number one the witness surviving the shooting attempt megan's not credible

00:54:55.420 megan is not credible though but that's crazy how can you say that okay that's she's lied

00:55:01.420 she's given can you explain to me i will no no i will i'll explain it to you right now i want you to

00:55:06.780 say i'll explain it to you right now victim is not credible when she is able to survive the shooting

00:55:12.220 and offer testimony i'll tell you why right now i will tell you why right now she gave conflicting

00:55:17.660 information on her instagram lives with the gail knight interview versus what she testified to on top

00:55:23.180 of that the prosecution gave a different story on opening statements than she did when she was on the

00:55:30.380 stand bro that's what i'm trying to say meg is not credible she openly lied about her sexual past

00:55:36.140 within what the prosecution said and what megan the stallion said i will cover that here in a

00:55:39.740 second because i have it in my notes let me let me tell you that i don't worry i already took notes

00:55:43.180 because unlike you i actually watch this case and i know the details you don't so here's the difference

00:55:47.180 yeah i would you know go ahead well if i don't know any of the details of the case why does it still

00:55:51.420 look like you're having a hard time fucking convincing anyone of what no other than the chat is watching

00:55:57.180 right now crazy she was emotional but also somehow kelsey also being a woman may or may not have shot

00:56:04.220 megan the stallion but also had the wherewithal in that moment to like fucking turn around and

00:56:07.660 thanks 9-1-1 uh you know tory shot me a bodyguard to meg's bodyguard yes to meg's bodyguard she sent

00:56:14.540 that yeah okay so why did she say that dude there could be a multitude of reasons as to why she would

00:56:20.460 say that maybe she was criminally capable and wanted to point the finger at someone else

00:56:24.460 well she was hysterical enough and drunk enough to shoot megan the stallion off of like some random

00:56:29.020 bullshit okay because like you say or at least academics said that it was random

00:56:33.340 bullshit like tory lanes would never shoot megan the stallion over like being called short or

00:56:37.660 being called not we'll talk about this in a second first let's talk about how meg is not credible okay

00:56:42.700 meg is not credible because she omitted a critical factor right on a public interview which the reason

00:56:49.100 how she got on a public television interview in the middle of a criminal case is beyond me but the

00:56:52.940 point is that she said i did not have a sexual relationship with tory lanes then she gets on the

00:56:58.060 stand and she admits she did have a sexual relationship with tory lanes wait she lied yeah that's like

00:57:02.780 that's first of all yeah of course that's embarrassing for her to but that's important

00:57:07.900 that doesn't make her inconsistent in regards to whether or not she got shot bro what the

00:57:12.300 it absolutely isn't a point of fact however because what yes that's insane all right are you

00:57:17.740 going to finish this is a private affair that she probably felt really embarrassed by because she

00:57:23.020 the dude who was like five two and shot her okay the point here bro is that wasn't even the argument

00:57:29.660 the argument stemmed if she probably talk about it all the time but let me finish my point let me

00:57:35.740 finish my point the reason why that is material is because when tory lanes exposed meg for having

00:57:42.300 sex with not only him but kelsey and he exposed that expose what you're talking about is like tmz

00:57:47.660 while you're talking about a criminal that's the entire reason they fought dude i'm trying to

00:57:52.940 explain that to you it is an important factor but she lied about that you're literally talking about

00:57:59.260 a victim and making it seem as though the victim is like the actual criminal she's not on trial

00:58:05.260 the victim still has a responsibility it doesn't matter what she said whether she

00:58:08.780 or not the victim must be in the sequence of events that lead up to a shooting does not matter

00:58:15.740 of course the events that lead up to a shooting matter but it is insane that you think that you

00:58:22.460 think this is a good case of course you it of course story lays with the

00:58:25.660 jails you're being emotional right now you think that that's a good enough uh defense

00:58:29.260 hassan you're being emotional right now let me finish my point before you go crazy and just react

00:58:33.580 versus actually listening to what i'm saying what i am saying is that she is not a credible

00:58:38.140 witness because she lied in a public interview saying she did not have sex with tori lanes

00:58:43.420 now before you get outraged the reason why let me please let me finish the reason why that is

00:58:49.420 extremely important is because the entire fight is predicated on the fact that she had sex with tori

00:58:54.620 lanes because she backed her she backstabbed her friend kelsey kelsey went to texas because she had

00:58:59.820 coveted and meg the stallion started a sexual relationship with tori that is why the fight

00:59:04.380 ensued in the first place that instance yeah cause kelsey and meg to fight each other

00:59:12.460 she has to be credible and be honest she was not honest about that that part doesn't matter it does

00:59:19.500 make an argument is like a matter of personal privacy so of course what she's saying in public

00:59:25.500 in a interview in public when she's embarrassed to admit that she tori lanes because he wasn't even

00:59:30.460 popping okay but that's the point i'm trying to make entirely irrelevant like that's not something

00:59:35.100 she shouldn't have done an interview then why she shouldn't have done that's the reason why tori

00:59:38.940 lane's lost by the way because that's what the argument the defense made okay as though that was

00:59:43.340 like a serious way to defend this person bro she wasn't embarrassed there's a picture of tori and

00:59:49.180 megaston bent over with tori she's not embarrassed bro that's cap so that argument is flawed she's not

00:59:54.700 embarrassed at all no i think she's well you know you do things uh and then you might be embarrassed

00:59:59.180 by them afterwards is what i'm saying you know what i mean like that's that's cool but the point

01:00:03.020 i'm trying to make is is that you cannot argue the point that her having sex with tori is not a part

01:00:08.300 of the case that's very important because that's what led to the entire argument and public interviews

01:00:13.260 and saying something in a public interview especially when it's like you know the person who shot you

01:00:18.620 uh and and being embarrassed to admit that you that person did is megan the stallion lie

01:00:24.300 yes or no so then meg the stallion lie yes or no about what did she lie about i guess she did who

01:00:32.700 gives a fuck what do you mean i'm saying okay she got shot so she lied so that in itself hurts her

01:00:38.460 credibility in a court of law that hurts her credibility that's crazy that's crazy it does it's

01:00:42.940 like no you're you're not understanding what i'm trying to say here okay i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm

01:00:48.060 gonna say this again sure what she said in the media okay is completely irrelevant especially

01:00:56.620 because it does not pertain to the one-to-one immediate fucking back and forth that occurred

01:01:02.860 that night okay it's not like she fucking lied about uh you know she ever said like kelsey actually

01:01:10.060 shot me and then went back if she had said that then you have something but her saying i never

01:01:15.020 fuck tori lanes he's five two and he's got no hits since 2016 that's irrelevant that's not relevant

01:01:21.580 to the subject matter at all but i know you want to make it relevant to the subject matter but she

01:01:26.300 didn't actually lie about any of the information the first time she actually made a a statement okay

01:01:33.740 to the cops was still to defend tori lanes to say that she stepped on glass even though that was not

01:01:40.300 the case that was a lie too you get that right yeah that was a lie as well yeah of course that

01:01:45.740 was and she admitted that she admitted she lied so what you're missing here is that you lie more

01:01:51.180 relevant that is more relevant to the case originally her credibility is relevant because she also she

01:01:55.820 lied she also mentioned why she did that she also mentioned why she did that ultimately it doesn't

01:02:03.100 matter though because if she's lying about that if she's originally defending tori lanes right if she's

01:02:08.780 originally defending tori lanes okay why did she turn around and blame tori lanes afterwards what

01:02:15.420 do you think happened there do you think it was because a criminal investigation was launched

01:02:19.740 and then she had to fucking tell the truth despite the fact that knowing full well that there would be

01:02:24.620 dudes like you that would come after her and be like oh she's a fucking liar even though she got

01:02:27.980 shot did she even actually get shot who knows you know yada yada yada like here's the thing probably

01:02:33.820 she didn't want to rock the boat she's she wants to do pr she's popping off she doesn't want this

01:02:38.700 kind of fucking attention which she admitted time and time again that does not absolve her of her

01:02:43.500 responsibility to be truthful that does not absolve her of her responsibility to be truthful especially

01:02:49.340 when she is the prosecution's witness wait she shouldn't have given all these interviews et

01:02:53.740 cetera i have another question for you her credibility is making very important

01:02:57.020 in the stallion a rapper yes she is a rapper okay maybe she wanted to fucking tell you know

01:03:02.860 maybe she didn't want to snitch because she's a rapper just like you said tori lanes didn't want

01:03:05.740 to switch because snitch because he's a rapper you i think one is more valid than the other

01:03:09.980 she already snitched she already snitched what are you talking about it's too late she already snitched

01:03:13.980 and yeah and female rappers are not held to the same standard because female rappers are not held to

01:03:18.380 the same street ethics and codes that male rappers are nice try though oh that's oh shit dude yeah

01:03:24.860 that makes sense that's uh that's just male rapper uh code okay got it yeah oh come on you are you

01:03:29.340 like a 14 year old myron like what do you mean oh in my in my world view only male rappers have

01:03:34.620 that snitch code so there's a double standard there like come on this is fact practice this

01:03:39.580 so good i mean come on i told you guys if the roles were reversed i would 100 have the exact same

01:03:48.140 fucking take okay if megan the stallion shot tori lane and the other party involved there was like yo

01:03:54.700 megan the stallion shot uh tori lanes i wouldn't turn around and be like hmm let's look into this

01:04:00.460 a little bit further hmm let's be let's be let's be more skeptical of the narrative here like that's

01:04:05.820 crazy hasan it's like you don't ever get an open and shut case like this and yet you know you still

01:04:12.300 were able to uh simultaneously create a a separate narrative here there is no separate narrative it's

01:04:19.660 been documented several times where hip male hip-hop artists have been asked would you provide

01:04:24.700 information to the police and they would say no cameron famously went i think it was either 60

01:04:28.700 minutes or something asked him would you go to the police if there was a serial killer living next

01:04:31.900 door he said no i would just move okay uh we gave the example of buster rhymes t.i his best friend

01:04:38.460 got killed he did not want to testify we're talking about completely unrelated things now i'm getting

01:04:43.100 examples documented that rappers did not go to the police police that's my argument is uncooperative

01:04:49.420 he don't talk to them and his fucking this is this is not like none of this is relevant to what

01:04:56.300 we're having a conversation about it's relevant because tori's not gonna go and say kelsey shot

01:05:00.540 her bro that's the point i'm trying to make here rappers understand that their image is everything and

01:05:05.100 cooperating with the police will destroy their ability to create music and sell records there's and

01:05:10.060 we're giving you these instances so you understand the severity of rappers coming out and providing

01:05:14.780 information to police look at gunna as soon as he got released he gave a statement this is only

01:05:19.660 this is only male rapper code right like it's not it's not female rapper code is that what you're saying

01:05:24.460 male rappers are held to a higher standard when it comes to the street code when it comes to

01:05:28.540 hip-hop music bro do you think like do you think there are no female rappers who've done that

01:05:33.340 i'm sure there are but there aren't the same consequences meg the stallion still will enjoy

01:05:37.340 a commercial out a commercial oh this is this is crazy i mean this is a crazy conversation we're

01:05:44.860 having by the way like emails and possibly domestic violence for example when rihanna came out saying

01:05:51.740 chris brown did whatever to her everybody heralded her as very because she was fucking what do you

01:05:57.660 mean dude come on hold on wait so what like people are not oh why is your reaction like i'm upset

01:06:04.620 it no that's how it should be but i'm just showing you the difference between genders that's the

01:06:09.580 only point you're saying oh yes because you're bringing up a victim okay bring up an instance where

01:06:15.340 someone fucking was the victim okay and they didn't go to the cops but it doesn't even matter because

01:06:21.980 we have no this is completely irrelevant this is completely irrelevant to the conversation

01:06:26.860 regardless okay there are plenty of female rappers like lil kim that also went to

01:06:30.460 fucking jail for a year plus one day for lying on the stand to to cover for her fucking friends

01:06:35.820 this doesn't matter to the case overall you're trying to create a narrative where it's like a

01:06:41.020 men versus versus women thing but it's ultimately about what happened on that day on that morning okay

01:06:48.860 what happened on that morning if blueface went to the cops for those two black eyes his girl gave to

01:06:53.260 him we call him a snitch if jay-z went to the cops after beyonce's sister gave him a 92 combo it was

01:07:02.940 straight chops straight to his chest because i understand what you're saying but that is

01:07:08.380 completely irrelevant to the conversation unless you're talking about like you're trying to make the

01:07:14.460 whole uh tori lanes apologize but didn't say like wow that's crazy that someone shot you uh stick stick

01:07:23.420 by saying oh because like rappers don't snitch that's not snitching going to the lawman is

01:07:27.500 snitching saying what the happened that night that's crazy that you got shot i can't believe this

01:07:31.900 person shot you that's not snitching that's a text message between two friends at that time okay you

01:07:37.180 don't apologize to someone who is an enemy you apologize someone who you want to make amends with

01:07:41.900 so my point is at that point was apologizing specifically because he's the responsible party

01:07:48.060 in custody if you're in custody why the would you drop a name

01:07:53.980 why would you drop a name if so if you get locked up for right let me see what type of guy you are

01:07:58.460 right say you're kicking it with your little high school buddies and let's say i don't know maybe one

01:08:02.780 of them has an illegal gun in the car okay you all you are locked up would you call your other friend

01:08:08.460 be like yo do you know that marcus have the gun in the back would you say that on the jail phone

01:08:12.380 brother oh you and i both went to ruckers dog okay this this whole like street cred is so

01:08:17.500 stupid okay we went to the same college okay academics oh come on wait no that's not about

01:08:23.660 street cred it's about bro it's about why would you say something on the jail phone the statement

01:08:31.340 you're getting that you're trying to use as two people privately talking to each other was recorded

01:08:37.660 on a jail phone you might as well just put it in writing for the jury it's not that it's not like

01:08:43.580 they ran a warrant on his phone later on and said this was a text message that you thought he

01:08:49.660 you guys were the only person gonna see anybody who's gotten locked up or if people are doing crime

01:08:54.380 not saying that i was trying to say that you're a criminal or whatever or neither neither am i here's

01:08:59.180 the point but listen but here's the point you're acting like tory should have said a name

01:09:03.660 when he knows the warden or not the warden but the person who is in charge of the jail

01:09:09.020 is listen to his call i mean he ambiguously self-snitched is what i would say regardless

01:09:15.500 ultimately by apologizing and you wanted him to say a name so you want to listen regardless

01:09:21.260 also i thought he texted her am i wrong is that is that incorrect i thought he like sent a text message

01:09:26.700 as well i could have been talking about anybody no he texted one of them and he called one he called one

01:09:32.460 the night of okay okay um i mean he called the thing right off okay yeah so so wait wait wait you

01:09:41.580 know you know so so the texting is not a jail phone right like so why do you think he did that then

01:09:48.780 he's just yo yo hasad man come on why do you think why the texting is not the jail phone

01:09:56.700 he's not in custody he's sending a text message why do you think he texted that

01:10:02.700 oh god i mean that's a real i can't ask you a single question without you being like oh i'm so

01:10:08.940 good at that i got the answer to that we don't know the answer we don't know the answer there were

01:10:14.860 so many different factors going on the two best friends fighting him hitting on kylie jenner right

01:10:20.060 in front of her her wanting to leave and tory not wanting to leave the first time and then he had to

01:10:23.420 come back and leave them the second time there's so many different situations a shooting like the main

01:10:28.060 main point of condition there is a shooting and it could have been he was sorry oh man

01:10:31.660 he could have been sorry that she got shot but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's a trigger

01:10:35.660 man bro that's what i'm trying to tell you there were so many factors that went on that night that

01:10:39.740 he could have apologized for it doesn't necessarily have to be that it was just the shooting or him

01:10:44.380 shooting at her it could have been her getting shot by someone else the apology is ambiguous we don't

01:10:49.740 know the situation he says sorry you got shot but by someone else dude it could have been for him

01:10:55.020 hitting in front of really it could have been exposing it goes i'm telling you maybe you guys

01:11:01.020 have maybe there's a multitude of reasons maybe there's a third shooter okay i want to know

01:11:08.700 who was at the grassy knoll who was at the grassy knoll the reason why i'm giving up and i'm letting my

01:11:13.660 rock because it reminds me because i've watched a good amount of your content and i and you

01:11:19.420 sound like the same dude who was was uh debating with charlie kirk man and i felt like you were

01:11:24.060 going to circle while that boy was giving me the work so i i hear it now and i'm like yo this is

01:11:28.860 great let my deal with you because we're not about to just keep going to circle bro like i'm already

01:11:32.700 dizzy you're you're refusing to even concede on small points that we can't even go forward my

01:11:38.860 like it's like you're just what i mean but like but there's no there are there are inconsistencies

01:11:45.180 with respect to what uh kelsey said afterwards but we've addressed them right like i already

01:11:51.500 addressed them i told you the fact that there are inconsistencies she addressed hassan she said it

01:11:55.980 you're missing the point whenever a witness has inconsistencies that makes the witness less

01:12:02.460 credible do you not understand that testimony needs to be uniform across all platforms if you

01:12:07.340 say one thing here they get on the stand and give something here that hurts your credibility my

01:12:11.580 argument she gave nothing though on the kelsey and meg said that she has postpartum and also on

01:12:18.860 top of that had a death in the family that is not an excuse to lie having a hard time recalling

01:12:23.980 incidents that is not an excuse itself is an inconsistency certainly but it's a one that has

01:12:29.100 been addressed and i think that it was enough for the jury to to you know saying i have postpartum

01:12:34.380 depression originally is not a it does not absolve you of your duty to tell the truth as a witness

01:12:41.020 that hurts her credibility so did meg i'm arguing simply this kelsey and meg are not credible

01:12:47.260 witnesses because they gave inconsistent stories pertaining to the shooting from the beginning

01:12:51.660 between meg getting on ig live and giving different uh recounts of the event to her getting on a

01:12:56.220 public interview on television saying she did not have a sexual relationship with tori

01:12:59.660 and that was extremely material to the situation because a fight broke out as said by kelsey as well

01:13:04.940 due to tori lane's having a sexual relationship with kelsey so what i'm saying is that kelsey and meg are not

01:13:11.100 credible witnesses and then you add in the factor that they were all drunk so that hurts their

01:13:15.740 testimony even more is not a credible witness no because she was because she didn't want to admit

01:13:21.420 that she fucked tori lane's like that's crazy come on but that's a material fact that's important in

01:13:26.620 a tv interview like unrelated to the fucking court case come on everything is related

01:13:30.460 everything is related public statements can always be that makes they're unrelated it's like oh you

01:13:35.740 lied when you were 14 years old one time so like sorry no sorry you lied about the investigation

01:13:40.780 you lied about the investigation credible witness yes because because she gave a differing story on a

01:13:47.100 material fact in her own criminal investigation case where she's the witness that is not a material

01:13:52.620 fact yes it is not a material fact material fact would be if you want to talk about material fact

01:13:57.980 you could actually bring up the fact that we're not talking about that originally said she stepped

01:14:01.980 on glass no no no i'm talking about her that is inconsistent having sex with tories that's very

01:14:08.380 important lanes that's important bro that if that was important then the court would have uh argued

01:14:15.660 that that was important but luckily they did argue the jury and the criminal justice system

01:14:19.020 doesn't operate like a bunch of fucking manosphere podcasters holy

01:14:22.460 fuck come on dude bro the fights between her and kelsey the whole story she wants to she's still

01:14:28.460 got she could do whatever she wants it doesn't matter but the the shooting happened because she

01:14:32.460 fucked tori lane which means it's important that's crazy that's crazy bro there's good evidence that

01:14:38.860 kelsey could have been the shooter and they argued over tori lane you're telling me that wasn't relevant

01:14:42.460 to the facts i'm a dick wow jesus christ bro it is extremely relevant because kelsey could have been the

01:14:48.460 shooter also the other the other part of this is that that's crazy to me is like everyone's mad at

01:14:52.700 megan the stallion who got shot and like no one's mad at kelsey who apparently is the real shooter you

01:14:58.460 know what i mean there's no good evidence that she was the shooter she did test positive for gunshot

01:15:03.500 residue do you know why they also failed the gsr test they both failed it that's true the dna evidence

01:15:11.020 on the gun was inconclusive that's also true that doesn't mean that there was no dna evidence for

01:15:16.700 tori lane that does not mean that there was no dna evidence for kelsey it was just simply that it

01:15:21.900 was inconclusive okay and in the court laws are correct it's supposed to be beyond a reasonable

01:15:27.020 doubt what i'm saying is that there was doubt here there was a significant amount of doubt we got

01:15:30.780 witnesses that aren't credible we got dna tests that aren't being conclusive we got uh witnesses

01:15:35.980 saying one thing yeah of course dna can sometimes be inconclusive that's why you rely on the entire

01:15:41.980 situation that's why you rely on witness testimony and guess what here's the reality

01:15:46.700 witnesses that aren't credible shoot someone if you shoot someone if they survive you're kind of

01:15:51.660 fucked that's it that's it like ultimately this is where the the court case starts and this is where

01:15:57.260 the court case begins you shoot someone and they fucking survive you are fucked that's it you can say

01:16:03.980 your honor she fucked the whole squad though your honor she lied about fucking someone but then

01:16:09.900 said that she actually did them it doesn't matter she got shot by the dude and she said this

01:16:15.020 motherfucker shot me that's it but she's not credible it could have been kelsey shooting her

01:16:19.900 maybe you can argue like oh well that's inconclusive whatever he didn't finish the job

01:16:26.060 do you know why people are mad at meg because she lied multiple times that's the big issue here

01:16:30.060 bro no i know why people are mad at meg because you have built an entire career shitting on women

01:16:34.860 that's why you know what does that have to do with anything what does that have to do with anything

01:16:41.260 all you do is do ad hominem attacks you don't argue the points i'm saying she's not a credible

01:16:44.780 witness because she lied on multiple occasions of course i argue the points you're dude if we're

01:16:48.300 talking about ad hominem you literally keep bringing up the fact that megan the stallion in a tv

01:16:52.700 interview says she didn't fuck tori lanes but then openly admitted she fucked tori lanes because that

01:16:56.940 goes to speak about her credibility it shows that she's a liar the case should be thrown out or

01:17:01.180 something it's relevant because she's a liar it's relevant because she's a liar bro are you missing

01:17:06.220 the point that she lied and didn't give a consistent story that's crazy i'm kind of trying to moderate

01:17:12.780 a little bit i don't think he's saying it means the case should be thrown out but it goes towards

01:17:16.620 credibility which yeah no no no exactly in that regard what are you arguing then what are you arguing

01:17:24.940 her credibility is hurt because she's lied and hasn't told the same story multiple times

01:17:29.180 that's my point it is a private affair that she fucking said on television versus when she was

01:17:35.420 under oath of course that does not mean anything about her credibility okay there are additional

01:17:41.740 reasons as to why people sometimes feel conflicted about openly stating who they fucked okay that's

01:17:47.900 understandable it's the most understandable thing if you were a little bit more charitable in this

01:17:51.660 regard you would also recognize that come on okay let's talk about how she didn't want to admit

01:17:55.900 that her and kelsey got in a physical altercation how about that let's also talk about how she said

01:18:00.940 that they left one time but in reality they really left twice and it came back and they came back for

01:18:04.700 a sandal let's talk about her lying on a public interview let's talk about her ig stories and her ig

01:18:09.580 lives where she gave different conflicting accounts you know the situation ultimately you know ultimately

01:18:14.940 when you're recalling shit there's going to be instances where you're not 100 accurate okay this

01:18:21.900 happens all the time that's why you don't go on the internet and talk about it measure that on how

01:18:26.620 severe it is right you have to measure that on how severe that is recanting or recalling instances that

01:18:33.500 even happen to you is oftentimes going to be murky now if you are let's say a third party person who

01:18:40.220 claims you woke up the gunshots and then change your testimony to oh actually i was watching them

01:18:45.580 fight so i saw every single thing that happened that's pretty inconsistent especially because of

01:18:50.860 your proximity to the situation if you're kelsey in that regard your testimony if it had changed

01:18:57.340 dramatically which it never did right remember it did change the fifth dramatic dramatically changed

01:19:02.460 testimony she never dramatically changed her testimony and was literally given the opportunity

01:19:07.900 to address it with immunity in a court of law hassan did you even see this trial she gave a

01:19:14.220 completely different account let's go let me just let me get a word um so remember i said it's about

01:19:20.460 credibility and and i think the way you even try to describe certain things is probably the reason why

01:19:27.100 we're having the problem even kind of like understanding how this this case even devolved how it did like

01:19:33.660 when people are mentioning her sexual history is not to shame her this and third it's about credibility

01:19:38.620 right also for example she has she has a habit about drinking i drink a lot every day okay this is not to

01:19:45.420 shame her but no i know i've seen you i've seen you fall asleep watching listening to drake yeah it's

01:19:50.460 one of my favorite clips but here's the thing though if we if we mention her drinking it's not to shame

01:19:55.980 her habits or her possibly being an alcoholic it's probably to say well she was in a state of mind

01:20:01.180 that she could probably not remember these details accurately for example like what myra said when

01:20:07.500 she stated the sequence of events she did not recall leaving the party then returning but her friend

01:20:15.660 said that happened again it's not trying to be like oh do you think like do you think not remembering

01:20:22.140 whether you left the party and return is of the same vein as like being shot in the foot like come on

01:20:30.300 of course small details like that small details like that can escape you in a lot of instances

01:20:36.140 that's why witness testimony is oftentimes murky there's a big difference between going i got

01:20:40.700 shot in the foot by that five foot two man right there and saying oh i might have left the party i

01:20:46.540 might not have left her she never seen who pulled the trigger and everybody else tests other testimony

01:20:50.700 that's not true that's not true she testified that's not true she testified she never turned around

01:20:57.420 oh no no she never said she's seen who pulled the trigger she said right literally turned around she

01:21:03.020 said i turned my upper body around and saw i saw tori lane shooting no she's never seen the trigger

01:21:11.260 being pulled she said she heard dance dance she looked over her shoulder she seen tori then she turned back

01:21:18.700 around i'll lock a thousand dollars we can lock on it she never actually seen so so obviously by

01:21:25.340 circumstantial evidence you'd assume it is tori however going back to her state of mind and not

01:21:30.540 remembering though according to the gsr report tori if the gunfire happened at that moment tori had to

01:21:38.060 be right next to kelsey they asked her did you see when you turned your back and you heard that did you

01:21:43.260 see kelsey anywhere near there she said never seen kelsey kelsey was nowhere in the vicinity right

01:21:48.140 can you tell me by the way by the way uh i already i already told you what happened in that regard

01:21:52.300 megan the stallion also said that she had turned around after the after hearing the voices uh also

01:21:57.420 kelsey said she just said she turned around as well but listen listen i have another i have another

01:22:03.020 question for you but like um so you're doing the thing because this is literally addressed in the

01:22:10.380 court like we're in a loop now i'm trying to move the conversation along as best as possible i'm

01:22:14.860 going to move the conversation along as quickly as possible because there's one additional thing

01:22:19.580 you said he made jail uh you said he made phone calls from jail yo you said something that was

01:22:24.460 obviously false i am holding you to the fire saying that is false you know what you do let's move to

01:22:30.620 another point exactly okay we can go back to that what is it hey here go ahead uh sorry you're right i

01:22:37.020 i will i will have this conversation again she does under oath that she believes tory shot her right

01:22:44.460 because she saw him with the gun she didn't see when he pulled the trigger she saw him with the gun

01:22:50.140 before she also she also did say she also did say that she turned around like she was walking away from

01:23:00.220 them but when she heard noises she did turn her upper body around she did say that she said that

01:23:06.700 in court hold on in your testimony it's the same thing i am but you're trying to twist it in your way

01:23:10.860 yes she wait what do you mean no no she turned over hold on we don't care let's just find the quote

01:23:15.900 let's just find the quote let's just find the quote let's just find the quote let's just find the

01:23:17.820 quote bitch dance if she heard listen gallop bitch gallop if she or whatever did she see the bullets

01:23:24.460 coming out of that gun was her eyes locked with the shooter no she said she saw tory with the gun

01:23:31.340 bro that's crazy okay that's an insane so what happened dory lanes is a fucking acrobat

01:23:36.940 and like he grabbed the gun out of kelsey's hand in the fucking five seconds yeah of course dude you

01:23:42.540 know how fast bullets travel it's kind of the whole point yeah okay so so so you're actually you're now

01:23:48.140 doing the the the theatrics of course because i'm a normal human being with a normal human being brain

01:23:53.100 obviously when she says i turned around i was not to worry with the gun that's that's immediately

01:23:58.300 after okay okay immediately after she got shot all right so so let me give you why that's relevant

01:24:03.580 are you gonna let me make this point okay i want to hear this yes i want to hear why this is relevant

01:24:08.140 and it goes back to her to intoxication and her not remembering what happened according to her

01:24:13.580 there was no um the um there was a witness that testified that she got out of the car

01:24:19.180 and she walked towards the passenger side i forget on which side but that's also in line

01:24:26.140 with sean kelly who said there was a fight she claims she doesn't remember that she only remembers

01:24:31.740 walking away then hearing dance bits dance the reason why i'm saying that i'm not i'm not saying

01:24:36.380 that she just blatantly lied about that i'm saying because her memories now in question because of how

01:24:41.900 inebriated she's at keep in mind they also said well if you turned around yeah but that but it's still but

01:24:47.260 it literally still like straight up is is corroborated by kelsey's testimony originally

01:24:54.700 and you can't undermine it by claiming her original testimony yo hassan hassan her original testimony

01:25:00.620 does not matter you keep trying to go ahead off of the police interview of course it matters yo hassan

01:25:06.540 here are the facts okay she went in she gave the police a statement in september of 2022 two years after

01:25:12.060 the fact and she went ahead and implicated tori as the shooter she went and corroborated a lot of

01:25:17.100 meg story and said all this stuff to pin it on tori she gets on the stand switches her story says

01:25:23.020 straight up i lied and then they asked why did you lie and she says because to protect myself and she

01:25:28.460 kept repeating to protect myself when you say that you're making it seem like every part of her

01:25:33.260 testimony was incorrect she said she lied in the interview and still refused to do so no she openly

01:25:40.060 said i lied in that interview earlier with the police there were lies and no but there's multiple

01:25:45.660 facets to that conversation then they asked her directly pinpointing a singular piece of information

01:25:50.700 that she said was incorrect okay do you realize how ridiculous you sound if someone is saying

01:25:57.260 because if someone says you know apples are red okay and then they say the sky is green in that

01:26:04.780 interview okay and then they turn around and testify and say actually i lied about the interview does

01:26:09.660 that mean apples are not red oh you don't get what i'm saying if if i said i lied about something no

01:26:14.780 matter what i lied about and she didn't say she lied about something she said that it was inconsistent with

01:26:19.340 uh even if okay okay let's go with that you don't think that you don't think your credibility is now

01:26:24.940 in doubt brother you still think that that's a credible thing you have no she said she was not

01:26:30.460 100 truthful and was given immunity so she could clarify her statements which she refused to do

01:26:36.060 um she did not do that she also said she is currently under like a lot of pressure which is

01:26:42.060 understandable and ultimately did not reveal any additional information but she had the opportunity to

01:26:47.980 say what she lied about and change her testimony which she did not do so of course ultimately

01:26:55.020 they used her original testimony okay which is incredible because she said that she lied and it

01:26:59.900 wasn't true like bro you're missing you don't understand use that it doesn't work and then when

01:27:05.100 they asked her evidence that has been gathered you know you've built cases before right like this is

01:27:10.300 evidence they've been gathered you can't just be like okay well i guess we just throw the whole case

01:27:14.140 away like that that's not how this works oh man bro

01:27:17.980 i mean come on that's not how this works it is exactly how it works because a witness's credibility

01:27:22.380 is everything you know that's not a witness's credibility is everything hassan okay and the

01:27:27.020 other thing too we could talk about the witnesses not being credible we could talk about the lead

01:27:30.620 detective being under investigation having giglio issues and being on admin leave we could talk about

01:27:35.420 how the police didn't properly secure the area and properly place evidence tags on all the bullet

01:27:40.140 fragments in the blood and they weren't able to get an actual trajectory of excuse me a path of how

01:27:45.500 megan walked we could talk about how kelsey was sitting in the back seat behind megan megan was

01:27:49.660 sitting in the front seat toy was sitting in the back left passenger seat behind the driver how would

01:27:54.220 he have had time to go ahead and run around the corner grab the gun say yeah dance bitch dance and

01:27:58.780 then actually shoot her when she was only a few seconds from the open door he shot from the open

01:28:04.140 door of the car she said he was standing see that's another that's what i'm trying to tell you bro there's

01:28:09.100 there's holes all over the place where there's not necessarily a clear-cut situation also there's

01:28:13.820 a discrepancy let me finish there's a discrepancy between what the prosecution said in the opening

01:28:17.900 statements and meg and i'll go ahead and i'll read it for you because i went ahead and took some

01:28:21.020 notes on this from before because i've covered i have another i have another question

01:28:23.820 let me finish my thing for you guys let me finish this for right let me finish this before you ask

01:28:27.580 your question let me let me let me finish this testimony goes when are you serious let me finish

01:28:33.340 my point before you ask your question i'm saying that there's a discrepancy there's like two

01:28:37.820 statements now that i want to hey hey hey we're gonna get just i let you speak okay go ahead i

01:28:43.180 actually see the difference between me and you hassan is that i listen to you speak and i understand

01:28:47.100 it that's why i'm able to go ahead you're right i'm sorry i'm sorry go ahead please so the discrepancy

01:28:51.580 is this prosecutor said that kelsey went to meg after being shot then when tory ran up to try to attack

01:28:58.140 her kelsey got in the middle fought tory off and he grabbed her by the hair that's why her nail broke

01:29:03.420 and her pendant broke right that's what the prosecution said in opening statements however

01:29:07.660 meg said when she got shot tory and kelsey came at her at the same time and she didn't make any

01:29:11.740 mention of them actually fighting so that's a huge discrepancy there okay well that's not a no that is

01:29:17.180 literally not a discrepancy she not revealing that piece of information might be for any million

01:29:24.220 different fucking reasons given the adrenaline packed circumstance and the fact that she turned around

01:29:29.580 and saw who had the gun if you're getting shot at and you see who has the fucking gun who shot you

01:29:34.780 with okay who they who you got shot with the gun that you got shot with then obviously like that's

01:29:39.260 what you're hyper focusing on okay i that is totally understandable that does not make her like a

01:29:44.860 non-credible witness this standard if this standard was applied to every single court case literally no

01:29:51.100 one would get jailed for murder i hope you understand that but you're missing the point here situation is

01:29:55.980 the only thing that would be additional evidence on this would be just video footage of tory lanes

01:30:01.340 shooting meghan the stallion going dance bitch dance and even then i feel like you'd probably

01:30:05.020 still defend it you're missing the point back to what i was talking about it's not conclusive

01:30:09.180 it's my point including the text message that tory lanes sent to meghan the stallion that was not

01:30:17.020 actually a phone conversation from jail that was a text message that tory lanes actually sent to

01:30:23.580 megan the stallion saying i apologize i'm so sorry how things happen uh i can't remember it was

01:30:29.180 not on a jail phone yeah it was not actually a situation yeah and in that circumstance you would

01:30:34.220 absolutely fucking say you would absolutely say something like oh that's crazy like i can't believe

01:30:39.580 that should happen rather than saying oh i'm so sorry meg i know you're probably never gonna talk

01:30:45.180 to me again but i genuinely want you to know i'm sorry from the bottom of my heart and i was just too

01:30:50.860 drunk okay nonetheless should have never happened and i can't change what i did i just feel horrible

01:30:57.260 you think after megan the stallion got shot you think that like that's a text message that you're

01:31:01.660 sending to a human being we're talking reason okay within the bounds of reason you think you're

01:31:07.100 sending that text message to be like oh man it's so crazy i like you know uh revealed your your

01:31:14.060 information or do you think you'd be like how crazy was it that uh you know kelsey shot you

01:31:19.340 because this is between two parties that are still trying to make amends okay hassan i already

01:31:24.060 addressed the sex message when i was going through the evidence i told you that there's reasons why

01:31:29.180 he could be apologizing it could have been for him hitting on kylie jenner in front of her it could

01:31:32.940 have been on him getting a fight started between you know what i mean okay i understand that i feel

01:31:39.180 like that's something you would address okay i get that i get that but there were so many things

01:31:42.460 that occurred that night good that he could be apologizing for you understand that okay good i just

01:31:47.260 wanted to mention that because it's not even like completely relevant to the conversation like i

01:31:50.540 said because it's not evidence you can't use this as evidence that like tori lane shot megan the stallion

01:31:54.860 for sure but the reason why um i wanted to bring this up is because like we're just having a conversation

01:32:01.180 between two guys uh within like common reason and reasonable boundaries would also you know reasonable

01:32:09.020 boundaries would also dictate that you would most likely uh talk about the main issue at hand someone

01:32:15.020 getting shot i understand that hassan but what i am saying is that there were so many things that

01:32:20.060 happened negatively to megan that night that he could have apologized for any of it that's by your

01:32:25.180 logic that means if you tell someone my condolences or i'm sorry for your loss that means that you were

01:32:30.300 the murderer or the shooter of that person that deceased i'm saying he's sorry for what happened to

01:32:34.700 her yeah if i wait what i if i shot someone and then i and then they survived and i said i'm sorry for

01:32:42.700 what i did that night yeah it kind of seems like i shot that person but we're having a conversation

01:32:48.700 that's reasonable never admitted to shooting her if i said i can't change what i did she he basically

01:32:53.980 said everything but i'm sorry i shot you okay but you know what else he did that night going no there's

01:32:59.500 a million different reasons there's a million reasons sorry because he actually said a no-no word

01:33:04.220 what if he was sorry because he actually revealed that he wanted to kylie jenner that night like bro she got

01:33:08.700 shot of course she's of course he's talking about how he shot her no see that's what you're coming

01:33:14.620 that's what you're coming to the conclusion of but what i'm saying is that a bunch of things

01:33:18.220 happened to meg that night he could have apologized for a multitude of reasons i've outlined this before

01:33:22.060 he hit on kylie by the way like i said it's not invisible in court it's okay funny that i get that

01:33:26.780 defend this no but what i'm saying but that's the point bro the defense's job is to create reasonable

01:33:31.500 doubt we don't know what he apologized for it could have been him hitting on kylie it could have been him

01:33:35.580 getting uh starting the fight between him and kelsey her and kelsey getting in a fist fight it could

01:33:39.100 have been her getting shot it could have been kelsey shooting out real quick it could have been it could

01:33:42.380 have been any of these sorry that we got into a fight on the night that like you're the girl that

01:33:48.540 you were seeing let's say got shot by another girl that's what you're saying like you're actually

01:33:54.060 texting that text message you're saying i'm sorry for how i conducted myself when you got shot is that

01:34:00.540 that's a that's you would say that you think dude what i would do versus what happened to

01:34:05.100 tori are two different things i'm saying he could have apologized for a multitude of reasons you're

01:34:09.420 just saying he apologized because he shot her no there was a bunch of things that came out that night

01:34:14.060 that no one knew about for example kelsey did not know i'll stop please stop please stop for two

01:34:19.340 seconds please stop for two seconds and listen because the difference between me and you is i

01:34:24.460 listen very closely to everything you say you don't listen to anything that i say you got to understand

01:34:29.420 that when tori said yo make just so you know you backstabbed your friend you were on me you

01:34:35.020 were on the baby etc that was the first time that kelsey heard that information okay so she obviously

01:34:40.700 felt some type of way they're all drunk emotions are high then all three of them are arguing in the

01:34:45.020 love triangle kelsey did not know that information until tori exposed it and she embarrassed he embarrassed

01:34:50.620 the out of meg so that is what led to the physical altercation between kelsey and meg they were

01:34:55.740 best friends prior to the situation so there's a multitude of reasons why tori might be apologizing

01:35:00.860 it does not necessarily have to be just because he shot her if they had a physical altercation and

01:35:04.620 kelsey shot her why did she blame tori lanes bro that also can be explained it could have been she

01:35:10.620 was trying to take away some responsibility from herself it could have been oh i need to pin this

01:35:14.940 on somebody she would have to describe her position no she would have been like i got

01:35:22.620 shot by this crazy are you talking about meg or kelsey come on you're crazy you're talking about

01:35:27.500 your mind that's how that works but that's not how that works in the court of law

01:35:31.180 if she got shot by kelsey and they fought and they hate one another

01:35:35.020 clearly she's gonna be like i got shot by this crazy kelsey lock her up no she wouldn't because

01:35:39.580 they were best friends prior she was probably trying to protect kelsey why would she not she

01:35:42.620 would not snitch on her why is she not but like but like that doesn't make any sense that doesn't

01:35:47.100 make sense there was she can go ahead and turn around and be like oh yeah actually

01:35:52.300 kelsey's the one who's responsible like your own logical box that you have created doesn't make

01:35:59.180 sense when you ask like three or four questions about motives of people that you're not hyper

01:36:05.020 focusing on uh look let's not just common sense bro the video showing like why is corey protecting

01:36:10.140 kelsey why is megan protecting kelsey when when kelsey's the one who shot uh megan in that circumstance

01:36:15.980 like it makes no sense she didn't see bro like she wouldn't even know she just looked all she

01:36:19.740 heard was dance if that was the case then why did kelsey say well did you hear the words dance

01:36:24.140 she said now where'd you hear that from that was her verbatim answer to that if you ran the shooter

01:36:29.100 she didn't hear she didn't hear uh the the words dance fine okay that's fine i mean that that

01:36:35.180 that tired the prosecution opened with that you're not responding to my question why would megan the

01:36:39.820 stallion defend kelsey despite being shot even if they are no longer friends and they're no longer

01:36:44.620 friends you know what i mean because who's the bigger enemy what you think you think what kelsey

01:36:51.420 her and kelsey were best friends at the situation in a situation that's crazy that you think they're

01:36:55.820 like a person literally be like oh my god i got shot by this woman but i hate tori lane's more that's an

01:37:04.220 insane inference dude come on meg meg only named tori after meg basically came out and said i'm tired of

01:37:13.420 sparing you he said one more lie i'm tired of sparing you she tweeted this this was basically

01:37:19.180 her thinking that blogs and media were trying to um portray her as either part of the melee that

01:37:27.660 happened that night or making it seem like she she got shot okay no i'm not you're saying the obvious

01:37:34.620 my guy but but i'm trying to tell you when she named tori i'm trying to tell you when she named

01:37:39.980 tori and why she had a reason to name him she had a reason to name him because she felt that the media

01:37:47.580 was kind of painting her in a situation where she was lumping them with her and also making her seem

01:37:53.740 to be the bad guy so she then basically threatened then she said she went alive she said tori shot me okay

01:38:01.900 criminal charges never came till then so if you're wondering oh wait wait you're talking about the

01:38:07.820 ig live where megan the stallion says tori lanes shot her okay she that was like that was that was

01:38:16.140 that was august 20th though you made it seem like it took her years to fucking uh admit this it was at

01:38:22.380 least a month yeah that's that's not all that much time what do you mean if she got shot listen

01:38:29.180 her original original reasoning in the situation was to like get away from the situation if her

01:38:35.420 original yeah okay a month like what do you mean if someone shot you would you wait a month to tell

01:38:41.180 the police what's your logic i mean she already well come on actually as a matter of fact i wouldn't

01:38:46.860 but megan the stallion explained why she did she waited a month because of what because she talked

01:38:52.460 to them four days later too please tell us wait she waited a month because during that entire timeline

01:38:59.740 people were as you already said literally blaming her for being shot and and putting her

01:39:07.340 putting the responsibility on her after she got shot that's crazy she did not originally

01:39:14.940 want to snitch maybe because she's a rapper like you guys also uh said you know there's a rapper code

01:39:20.620 you didn't want to snitch she didn't want to fucking snitch on tory lanes but after after people

01:39:25.020 fucking constantly push you to the goddamn brink and you're literally the victim in that circumstance

01:39:29.260 yeah of course you're gonna fucking come out and say like yeah what the fuck is this

01:39:32.460 shit i got shot by tory lanes and you motherfuckers are claiming that i'm the responsible party when

01:39:37.580 my feet got bullet holes in them well again i'm answering your your statement of why wouldn't she

01:39:45.900 possibly say let's say it was kelsey why wouldn't she come out and just say kelsey well she didn't

01:39:52.700 hold on a second you jumped the gun too much hold on i'm telling you she didn't come out to say tory

01:39:57.660 either the reason why she came out to say tory is because she felt tory was playing games with the

01:40:02.460 media so it's only only so it's fair to assume that her calling his name was a direct result of what

01:40:10.780 she felt he was doing not that she came to some type of oh i'm ready to speak so now when you say

01:40:16.140 well why wouldn't she name kelsey kelsey isn't a star kelsey has no type of power and control over

01:40:22.460 the media or the narrative again why if you waited that long even if it was kelsey why say anything

01:40:29.580 kelsey can't affect your career can affect the narrative but who can tory lanes i hope you understood

01:40:34.540 that part that's great you think she got cloud off of if she's gonna get cloud she could have

01:40:40.220 jumped the gun from the start brother she would have just said what happened that night

01:40:47.020 ahsan your listen skills are so crazy brother you don't listen you don't listen that's the problem

01:40:51.980 my dude i'm i'm you said one thing i'm gonna repeat what you said you said oh if if it was kelsey

01:40:58.060 that shot her why would she just say kelsey so i reminded you well she didn't say tory till at

01:41:03.420 least over a month later then i reminded you why she was shot she was shot so she can't lie about

01:41:10.940 being shot because she was brother hear what i'm saying hear what i'm saying she named someone

01:41:17.340 a month later it's important why did she name someone at that juncture she did everyone kept

01:41:23.660 fucking blaming her for being shot no and that is why she admitted who was actually the person who's

01:41:30.940 responsible this is why so this is why also literally explained why she did not name tory lanes

01:41:37.260 originally her friend was the one who named tory that night though we're talking about why did she

01:41:43.420 name him a month later this is why you got to listen more and read more my brother oh my god i'm trying

01:41:47.340 to tell you because it's it's clear i'll make a bet with you you won't make it because you're not that

01:41:52.860 informed you just keep saying the obvious but you will shut brother we know this you're going to say that

01:41:57.740 for the 15 000 times but your inferences are incorrect you're you're making like you're

01:42:03.820 stretching you're oh bro you're stretching harder than the gymnastics team that's why it's ridiculous

01:42:09.660 to me wait hold on i'm going back you're trying to ground you with like i keep trying to ground you

01:42:13.820 with like actual facts you said if she got shot by kelsey why wouldn't she just say it i'm i'm bringing you

01:42:24.380 step by step why she said tory and when she did she did not say because tory lanes is what is it

01:42:31.740 give me the steps again so you're not listening i am but it makes no sense i have to hear it a million

01:42:38.220 times go on because i responded to it i responded to it and you said that's not what i meant so go on

01:42:44.380 please clarify she believed that tory and his influence was playing games and making her look

01:42:53.100 a certain way keep in mind that would not be the same for kelsey right that's why she was

01:42:57.900 incentivized to name tory when she did she put out that makes no sense and here's why okay are you ready

01:43:04.940 she says lie one more time and i'm just saying here's why that makes no sense because tory lanes

01:43:10.060 is like playing games with her or whatever she could just easily turn around and be like kelsey

01:43:14.540 shot me because there's only two people involved in the process if she had come out and said kelsey

01:43:20.780 shot me tory lanes would no longer by your own logic play games with her what is tory gonna say

01:43:26.780 turn around and be like actually no it was me who shot megan no that would have ended the conversation

01:43:32.380 because if kelsey had shot her she would have just said that well tory shot her and that's why

01:43:38.380 she said tory lane shot me this is an insane thing it's such a major stretch that it literally

01:43:44.060 could not filter through my brain but you are literally using like a mental block or you're

01:43:51.020 doing mental gymnastics not to understand hear what i'm saying hear what i'm saying you initially said

01:43:58.780 i'm only going off what you said why wouldn't she name kelsey well actually she wasn't trying to name

01:44:03.100 anyone she wasn't trying to name anyone okay even if you go back to her gail king interview which you

01:44:07.980 could be okay but okay but like you understand what was what was tory lane's lying about what

01:44:12.860 was tory lane's lying about at the time wait hold on you won't even let me finish not only did she

01:44:17.500 reference it in the gail king interview she referenced it even when she got on live she said

01:44:21.500 i wouldn't have even said nothing i was gonna let it go okay so again when you said why wouldn't she

01:44:27.100 name kelsey it seems like she was never going to name kelsey even if it was kelsey okay what no that you

01:44:35.820 can't make that you literally just leaped into that okay if kelsey shot her the most logical thing

01:44:44.140 for her to say is kelsey fucking shot me tory lanes is just lying for some weird reason i don't know why

01:44:49.900 and what is tory lanes gonna do in that situation be like no actually kelsey didn't shoot her megan

01:44:54.620 shot herself or no actually kelsey didn't shoot her i shot her no that would have fucking destroyed

01:45:00.940 any argument that anyone could have ever had the reason why she came out and said tory lane shot me

01:45:05.580 is because fucking tory lanes shot her that's it and this is a wild these are wild leaps to make

01:45:13.740 i'm i'm serious like these are wild leaves to make like it's it's i'm trying as best as i possibly can

01:45:21.100 to try to like comprehend where you're coming from with this but like there's so much motivated reasoning

01:45:26.300 playing a role in your assertions here that like it's hard to it's hard to like you know get in

01:45:31.820 there it's hard to like i'm going armor a little bit yeah because you think women can't lie that's

01:45:37.420 the problem that's why you can't understand this of course lie women like everyone lies okay human

01:45:42.300 beings are liars yes this is a fucking straw man that everyone's like oh you're a sjw women can't

01:45:47.420 lie of course women can lie what the do you mean okay and megan's lied plenty of times and i'm

01:45:51.820 saying that the whole case was based on her testimony you're saying i believe her but she's

01:45:55.420 right several times bro she got shot though you're like okay that's cool but she doesn't know who

01:46:00.300 shot her went and said but she doesn't know who shot her evasion you know what i mean she doesn't

01:46:05.260 know who shot her she really doesn't she claimed this story but she doesn't know who shot her and

01:46:10.060 every single counter that you brought up about like why she didn't name kelsey is ridiculous it

01:46:14.860 falls flat on its fucking feet she lied in her testimony several times she did not admit that they

01:46:19.020 got into a physical altercation which again is very important to the story right she did not admit that

01:46:24.380 why is it important in the story you think it was self-defense you think like toriy lanes was

01:46:28.380 shot her because like it was self-defense because if she doesn't admit that her and kelsey got to a

01:46:32.380 physical altercation right before the shots were fired guess what it does it paints toriy as the

01:46:36.540 probable shooter and she admitted that from her testimony whether you're still making that from

01:46:40.860 her testimony making the argument like she somehow has reason to defend kelsey even though kelsey

01:46:44.860 fucking shot her which is insane okay bro yeah that's insane yeah if someone shoots you if someone

01:46:52.140 shoots you okay if someone shoots you i you know in that situation i'd probably

01:46:56.940 fucking tell the cops okay i can call me snitch sure there are many instances where i am a victim

01:47:01.420 of and i don't fucking uh i do not collaborate with the police okay this is one of those

01:47:06.780 instances where i'd be like okay well i got shot by this motherfucker bro i'm trying to tell you that

01:47:10.940 meg is not a credible witness she was drunk and she said the credibility right now granted okay like

01:47:17.820 i know you're gonna say the same dumb three things that we're like we're kind of agreeing with but just

01:47:22.460 listen to my train of thought just think you're a juror for one second you're trying to make

01:47:26.540 shit make sense i i think there's a reason why both kelsey and meg both conveniently forgot when

01:47:35.260 they may have fought each other even though an eyewitness said they were fighting for several

01:47:39.660 minutes they both do not they both misremembered that exact part okay now granted i think in the um

01:47:49.020 defense side that part is very important if you're trying to cast doubt right if it seems like a woman's

01:47:56.140 just walking away and you shoot her you seem very malicious and it just seems like there's it's open and

01:48:02.060 shut but if there was a fight that was happening for minutes that won this okay that makes sense

01:48:11.100 but here's what doesn't make sense okay for this to work megan the stallion would have to hate tori

01:48:18.460 lanes more than the person that she fought who shot her okay so that is insane so let me add some points

01:48:27.740 here that's my point okay i got you i got you i got you you cannot connect those two dots okay like

01:48:34.620 you're literally saying like she hates men so much that she wanted to blame a man or something so

01:48:40.140 there's a video right after the incident happened the police showed up you can hear kelsey saying

01:48:44.540 clearly mega you okay mega you okay so they were still friends at that point so they did even though

01:48:49.740 they thought they were not like enemies so what's the best option here you know what ask girls let's talk

01:48:54.140 you know what tory's the one that's being left out here we're still friends let's put it on tori

01:48:59.180 pretty much but that's it they're friends still at that point so it's like bro your argument i get it

01:49:03.980 but they're still friends at that point

01:49:11.100 okay i mean i i got no you you owned me man i i got nothing on that

01:49:15.900 here's the thing i think you got i think tory has a very strong case for an appeal here tory has a

01:49:23.100 very strong case for an appeal and uh we'll see what happens okay well good luck good luck to him

01:49:27.980 look i don't want to see i i look i'm not i'm not too fond of the criminal justice system in general

01:49:32.460 i do think that he did it i do think that he deserves to go to prison for you know at least a

01:49:37.020 extended period of time he definitely i think he up if i'm going to be as charitable as possible

01:49:42.540 um ultimately though you know megan the stallion did give shot this team raised in reasonable doubt

01:49:50.700 no i don't think so i think like in order for there to be a little bit more clarity a little bit

01:49:56.460 more clarity in that circumstance it would literally have to be it would literally have to just straight

01:50:00.940 up be video evidence like at that point that's it okay um by the way i was being sarcastic i don't

01:50:07.420 know if that dude uh recognized that or not but um you know but it's fine love you guys thank you so

01:50:16.540 much for this okay um hey listen listen number one i i do say i accept the verdict i i thought there was

01:50:23.580 a decent a pretty decent job done with uh raisins you know um you know a reasonable doubt clearly not

01:50:30.780 to the jury and it is what it is you know what i mean well lassan you came for your content you got

01:50:35.500 you got your content now hope you're happy and uh your trolling was hilarious by the way so thank

01:50:39.500 you for the trolling bro okay listen listen i'm you're the one who asked to be on this call okay

01:50:44.300 like i mean i'm fine with having a conversation with you debating you or whatever you want but

01:50:48.220 like it's not like i was like oh please bring the fresh and fit boys in here i know especially which

01:50:53.900 one is fresh and which one's fit uh with hassan we we i've been talking with academics about this for

01:50:58.860 the better part of a week we've been covering this case so nice try on that no no i know i know i

01:51:02.860 just i really wanted the the content from you guys i was like please dj please dj alec please

01:51:08.620 bring him no that's not what happened you wanted to come on which is fine you're you're like we

01:51:13.980 weren't going to come out regardless we didn't care if you're on it like it was a good job it's

01:51:18.860 fine it's cool i'm gonna have a little bit of fun like i'm gonna troll a little bit come on

01:51:23.820 yeah i mean you throw when you're taking l's on arguments you take ad hominem attacks you're

01:51:27.660 supposed to be a master debater you couldn't keep it factual you were emotional the whole time

01:51:31.180 i'm debater i suck at debates i don't know where that came no you really do you're very

01:51:34.140 i don't like debates you're not very good at debates everybody keeps saying that i am but

01:51:38.220 i'm not i don't think you're very emotional unless it's like andrew tate he's just very bad at debates

01:51:43.180 so you think charlie kirk got you enough no no absolutely not and your argument about

01:51:48.940 women being better drivers was also comical as well oh here we fought okay look use insurance rate

01:51:55.420 for your argument at a different time but sure you know i can't i can't spend i can't spend six

01:52:00.700 hours uh uh talking to you guys all right i got i got some other stuff that i need to yes bro yes you

01:52:05.420 are very busy sure you gotta be talking it facts i what did you say you kind of been kind of been

01:52:13.900 ducking every time i mentioned my like you you you were like oh it's because the reason why i do

01:52:20.220 debates when i end up doing them i guess is often because i think like someone has uh really damaging

01:52:27.020 ideas and they're able to spread those damaging ideas to like a very large audience right um and

01:52:32.940 it's more so it's not even like to stop the spread of said ideas right it's not like i'm calling for

01:52:37.580 deep platforming or anything yeah but it's more so to just like address them adequately so people have

01:52:41.740 a better understanding of like what the other side's perspective is right and so the reason why i will

01:52:48.220 like debate someone like andrew tate is because like i mean he's all over the place people will

01:52:51.900 turn around and say oh that's clout sharking or whatever the fuck and to them i say well you know

01:52:56.460 that is what matters in this circumstance i want to temp i want to temper someone's influence and at

01:53:01.980 least like show that there's a different perspective on a large enough platform okay then why is it that

01:53:07.100 when me and andrew challenged you and ethan client to address that wait hold on there was a time when they did

01:53:12.460 and andrew me and andrew literally said we would debate you two you and ethan gladfully on

01:53:17.340 intersexual dynamics and you guys ducked and said no we're not going to do that blah blah blah

01:53:20.940 another thing to us i never said you want to use this whole thing about actually i need people to

01:53:24.700 have a big audience i don't know why you're saying that are are you serious but as you can tell i'm

01:53:29.980 perfectly willing and able to hold a conversation with you um i don't know i don't know what happened

01:53:35.980 with uh i don't know what happened with the ethan thing but i'm i mean i was i was always very much

01:53:41.500 down to have a conversation and keep in mind also you're the one that talks about us first bro we never

01:53:46.860 mentioned you not one time it was you making a bunch of hit pieces on us dude yeah so well when

01:53:51.580 i first started i mean i don't know if you're talking about like me and ethan together but

01:53:54.700 like when i first saw you guys you guys were popping i would have definitely debated you back then

01:53:59.980 saying now not so much so i was like you know it's not popping than you are bro what are you talking

01:54:06.620 about we're more popping than you are just thinker bro okay i mean it's great i'm happy for you guys

01:54:12.380 a success i haven't seen it but if i do i will you know that's because you're on twitch on youtube

01:54:18.300 we've been on youtube two years bro and we're almost as many subscribers as you what are you

01:54:21.500 talking about we're definitely popping dude no i mean um congratulations to you guys so like i said

01:54:28.060 when when you guys have like a big enough uh influence or ducking again like a big enough audience

01:54:33.820 like andrew tate did at the time then that's a cat because i told you us and andrew would debate

01:54:38.380 y'all and you guys still ran so what do you what what is this excuse bro y'all still ran because

01:54:43.260 when it comes to intersectional dynamics okay my friend your ideology is i don't want to debate you

01:54:48.780 on like why i already told you i was not interested you know what i mean that's like kind of yeah you

01:54:53.580 make hippies on us we've never once talked about you until you started talking about us you came at

01:54:58.140 us first big so you want to start it i'll finish it let's go because you let's go because you had

01:55:03.500 you had a lot of videos that were popping at the time a lot of people were spreading it and going oh my

01:55:07.980 god what is this fresh and fit guy is doing it doesn't happen anymore that's part of the reason

01:55:12.540 you know what i mean okay that's literally the main reason as a matter of fact you're not really here

01:55:16.780 to uh you know argue topics or ideas you're here to just like damaging enough like i don't think you're

01:55:21.900 doing enough if you want to talk about this course that i'm like there are plenty of people who are

01:55:25.900 much better debaters than myself i would say destiny i showed the dms like i'm sure you guys can do

01:55:31.340 every day you know do that i showed the dms between us and h3 y'all ran bro y'all ran and and

01:55:37.020 andrew was the most popping guy at the time in the world i don't know why you keep saying

01:55:41.340 us in h3 i've never i've i don't think i've ever gotten a dm from you okay all right man i'm i'm

01:55:46.060 pretty sure oh my god we've definitely communicated that we could have this discussion i mean i mean

01:55:50.060 i'm here right now we can talk about like i said i'm down whatever get your cloud up if if there's like

01:55:55.420 enough you're not as popping as you think you are with you guys directly how about that i get a

01:56:01.980 compliment bro you are not as popping as you think you are you are delusional if you think so bro we've

01:56:06.780 been on youtube two years i'm not coming on here for how long that's what you're saying i don't think

01:56:10.940 i'm a competent debater anyway there's better debaters than me out there you're not just a

01:56:14.700 cloud farmer because i've seen you like you know talk about situations and ideas that are from very

01:56:20.140 small creators well i think yeah because it's not about cloud it's about the damage being you know it's

01:56:24.860 about fear that's what it's about it's about fear you are scared right now because you understand

01:56:29.980 that when it comes to intersexual dynamics you are incompetent just like talking about this trial

01:56:33.740 you are incompetent you don't know all the details yet you're still speaking the difference between me

01:56:37.580 and you is i don't speak on something unless i know it's that's the difference between me and you

01:56:41.660 crazy it's pretty crazy because you were you were very confidently talking about the fifth amendment

01:56:48.540 which you definitely did not understand so i it seems to me like you are talking about things you

01:56:54.940 don't know anything about you i feel like i feel like he has no idea like if i were to ask if i

01:57:04.140 wanted to learn about how women are i think you guys are the last people i would go to to get advice

01:57:09.340 really really it's funny you need it okay um anyway there are bigger there are bigger and more

01:57:18.220 successful misogynists that i'm willing to debate it's all the same anyway but when you guys get the

01:57:23.340 cloud your arguments are weak bro you literally said women are better drivers because they have

01:57:27.420 cheaper insurance rates to andrew which is a ridiculous argument all right we'll do this

01:57:32.140 we'll do this at a later date all right man just take the l and run just take the l and run

01:57:38.300 we are way more relevant than you are things i gotta talk about i gave you guys like six hours man

01:57:43.740 all right dude it's fine you can run but we are way more relevant than you are and you talked about

01:57:47.820 us first i believe you i believe you and you talked about us first we never talked about you

01:57:52.140 all right you started it i'll be happy to finish it so it is what are you doing you're like a grown

01:57:56.620 ass man you're about to cry on this phone i'm not crying at all i'm not crying at all jesus christ

01:58:03.420 lock up muslim people and back in the day you should be a little bit more ruthless than

01:58:07.260 this yeah you're not i'm keeping it factual you're the one that's emotional i'm keeping it

01:58:11.260 factual bro very emotional bro yeah you are keeping it factual he's holding back tears over

01:58:18.220 here because i don't want to talk to you guys any longer then they'll get on the stream

01:58:24.780 you don't know about the fifth amendment you don't know what you're talking about you're not

01:58:27.900 this is out of your wheelhouse i literally explained the fifth amendment you cannot assert

01:58:31.660 the fifth amendment unless you reasonably believe that you will be prosecuted for that crime kelsey

01:58:35.820 does not get the same world trip which is hard the conversation would have been over i'm before i

01:58:41.900 guess i am sexist for giving you this much time it's not you did do the same thing to tate you kind

01:58:46.620 of bulldozed the conversation hey listen let it happen oh dude yeah you don't even get me started

01:58:51.500 about hey motherfuckers like lying saying i'm like running from him and shit he was like oh

01:58:55.820 i won that debate and he won't debate me again it's like that's not true i will

01:58:59.660 fucking gladly debate over top people what are you talking about for the most of the part and

01:59:04.940 it's funny because dude you run from us many times you any what is this guy saying oh my god

01:59:11.500 hold on you would debate entertain again yeah 100 yeah i'd do it stop the cap bro

01:59:20.300 on one end you say you're not a cloud tracer but why would i run away from this dude he literally like

01:59:27.020 he had to get out of the conversation he's like these people are not intimidating okay

01:59:32.780 their ideas are not great and their rhetoric is not great either how are we misogynist please tell

01:59:38.540 me that how are we misogynist tell me how we're misogynist boys boys i have to pee okay this is this

01:59:44.140 is very real okay i've i've held it in for far too long go sit down and be like you normally then

01:59:50.300 i don't have a i don't have the peanut gallery like the fed and and the other dude had

01:59:56.940 go sit down and be that real go sit down and pee man i don't know why you're still here then go

02:00:00.860 sit down and pee put a blanket down too buddy like i find it amazing an adult come on i find it amazing

02:00:11.180 girl is that what you're gonna say dude you no i'm not gonna say that i'm just saying you've been

02:00:15.500 talking for over a year i'm here right here right now and you're running bro go sit down and pee bro

02:00:20.940 go go sit down and pee you got it or we can have a discussion either or but you've been talking

02:00:25.420 shit for a year i'm here now i'm here now you're talking shit for a year you gotta you have to you

02:00:31.100 have to have you've been talking shit for a year you talk for a living you talk on a podcast for a

02:00:37.100 living i really i i feel bad i feel like it's i'm getting like secondhand embarrassment from a person

02:00:45.260 who talks for a living only only being able to retaliate with like literal 12 year old insults

02:00:51.820 like you're like a playground bully like oh you sit down and pee come on you can be a little bit more

02:00:56.140 creative not your co-host i mean he's gone i don't think he's got anything in him but you at least could

02:01:00.540 be a little bit more creative you know what i mean my point is this dude you've been talking

02:01:04.220 shit about us for over a year i'm here right here right now you made a nonsensical argument with

02:01:09.020 andrew as far as insurance rates are what make women female drivers better which is a ridiculous

02:01:14.220 argument to make in the first place it doesn't make sense you call us massages etc i'm here we

02:01:18.700 can have this discussion but you want to say i gotta go pee then fine go sit down and pee go

02:01:23.180 leave the stream and it's fine it's no big deal us and i could talk about the case but you've been

02:01:27.340 wrong on a multitude of things on this discussion listen we'll we'll we'll bring this back up on a

02:01:32.140 later date when i'm like running out of content or something because it is entertaining you guys are

02:01:35.820 very entertaining that's cool man but again like i said before you make a bunch of arguments you still

02:01:39.980 want to talk to me it is it is very nice i don't know why you're still here i know you might get

02:01:44.060 but i really gotta go thank you so much it is kind of fair that if you call them massage it that's

02:01:52.300 like a heavy like stop i know what you're doing i i know what you're doing stop trying to pull me back

02:01:58.780 in on what you said if you're gonna talk like i said before we're here now you started it i will

02:02:03.980 be glad to finish it but you want to run and piss go ahead he can't do it it's fine he can't do it

02:02:08.380 it's fine go ahead go ahead and piss but again unlike you i talk about topics i know when it

02:02:14.060 comes to court trials investigations girls oh jesus christ okay okay i i gotta go thank you guys

02:02:23.100 we'll do this we'll do this at a later time you're running you know what it doesn't matter it doesn't

02:02:26.460 matter i will i will have a conversation with you guys again okay i promise and that's i've said it on

02:02:31.100 look clip it clip it okay i've said it in front of thousands of people okay you can hold me if i

02:02:39.180 don't talk to you again okay i promise all this time that you were saying that you're gonna leave

02:02:44.060 and you're gonna be we could have had a discussion already a moment where i don't have enough content

02:02:49.580 and it's kind of boring you could have left you could have had a discussion by now you keep you

02:02:56.140 keep talking about oh i gotta pee but you're still here bro you can leave you're more than welcome to

02:03:00.700 to leave at any time i clipped it okay in good faith i'm just letting you know that uh you know

02:03:04.860 i will have this conversation guys i won't let him talk to you like that bro i'm just yeah

02:03:12.620 i might not i might not have mr 35 year old's hairline yet but i i am an adult nice try

02:03:20.300 i'm just saying you know we can't take this type of conversation but i'm just saying bro

02:03:23.420 you're running you're running it turned into goku instant transmission which is fine it's fine

02:03:30.140 but if i talk about someone for a year and then they're like here let's have that discussion you

02:03:34.940 sound crazy that's all it is i definitely like hasan's content you know even though sometimes

02:03:39.660 he's talking about me too but like you know i kind of just we're in good faith um i definitely think he

02:03:45.020 is conducting you guys though and and i don't know why because i think the whole thing about clout

02:03:51.580 is bs because i'm telling you i've watched this content a bunch of times and i've seen him really

02:03:55.980 get into it kind of debate ideas and ideology that a lot of people would definitely less a clout had

02:04:01.980 you know i mean so it's like you know you're picking and choosing now and i mean yeah the thing

02:04:07.100 here's the thing if he wants to use a clout route again i i literally have the dms i showed them we i

02:04:11.900 told them yo we'll debate h3 in person and california me and andrew will go and this one

02:04:16.620 andrew was the most googled man on earth i was on the phone talking with andrew on whatsapp while

02:04:20.780 we're having that discussion and they ran i showed the dms to h3 so hasan could sit here and say all

02:04:25.980 these things blah blah blah but then when confronted he does he's out of his element he knows it's going

02:04:29.420 to be an l so it's fine and also here's a big difference right he googles stuff from the internet

02:04:33.900 he doesn't have experience we have experience in the fields he does not so him debating us will be

02:04:38.300 kind of low because he doesn't understand what we go through and he made a ridiculous argument saying

02:04:43.020 that kelsey's the fact that kelsey took the fifth amendment can be used by the jury and that is

02:04:48.220 ridiculous i literally just got off texting my lawyer friend it absolutely can be used by the

02:04:52.140 jury to disqualify her as a witness because she took the fifth which contradicted the prior statement

02:04:56.540 she gave to the police in september but hasan's saying that no she gets that fifth amendment privilege

02:05:01.260 and they can't judge her they absolutely can the only person that gets that protection is toy

02:05:05.020 because he is the actual accused that's on trial not kelsey kelsey was a prosecutorial witness but

02:05:10.700 of course again as usual hasan talks out of his ass and doesn't necessarily talk with facts but um

02:05:16.380 yeah man i mean as far as like this reaction to this trial now that this guy's gone uh yeah bro it's um

02:05:22.140 i think tory definitely needs to file an appeal i think he would have good grounds for one um i think

02:05:27.660 there was a strong amount of reasonable doubt in this investigation and i'm shocked that they actually

02:05:31.260 were able to convict him so yeah i'm wondering how how quickly the appeals process is going to work

02:05:37.820 for him clearly he's supposed to be um he's going to be sentenced in january i believe january 27th

02:05:43.820 um he's going to be incarcerated till then um i know in a lot of cases but i'm not sure if if if it's

02:05:50.060 just crim uh uh i know simply sometimes you'll have either 30 days or 90 days to appeal not too sure how

02:05:55.900 long he has to appeal and then when they'll hear the appeal to maybe even grant it or or go through

02:06:00.860 a hearing for that so you're at keep it a thousand you cool with this verdict give a thousand um i i

02:06:07.580 would disagree like i wouldn't have voted for this you know what i mean so like again from everything

02:06:12.140 i've seen i'm like yo this kind of seems off now i gotta accept it because at the end of the day 12

02:06:19.260 people fucking made the agreement that that's what it is so you know um they're saying that rock

02:06:25.580 nation paid them off bro that's what they're saying in the conspiracy world what do you think

02:06:30.060 listen i wouldn't say that definitely would not say that

02:06:35.500 yeah i wouldn't say that either but i what i would say is that um this was a huge miscarriage of

02:06:40.620 justice i'm actually shocked that we had two drunk witnesses one lying on the stand another one that

02:06:46.860 quite frankly was incredible because meg gave conflicting accounts of the situation on multiple

02:06:52.620 scenarios whether it was instagram live her interview with gail knight etc all of this

02:06:57.020 was completely wild and for them to go ahead and convict them on those charges i'm shocked especially

02:07:02.620 when there was a potential that kelsey was one of the shooters in this situation so i mean dude if this

02:07:08.460 could happen to tory bro oh man like bro no one is safe bro like this is a l for all the cj system

02:07:15.100 for the accused like bro this is crazy this is what i would definitely say though right um

02:07:21.260 you know i'm hoping you know again i was in court and i wasn't in that jury pool but i'm hoping that

02:07:27.260 this was something that was just done on strictly the facts and strictly the arguments made in court and

02:07:34.140 not done off anything that has to do with a lot of the woke agenda and kind of the peer pressure

02:07:39.500 peer pressure that comes from social media for you to basically jump to judgment without even

02:07:45.180 listening to the facts of the case so i'm hoping those things didn't seep into um anyone's you know

02:07:51.180 decision-making process but you know it's tough man because in this age of social media like it's

02:07:56.780 almost impossible to escape the case on your phone like with the so like i gave this example yesterday

02:08:02.140 like the oj simpson case right a big reason why oj simpson was acquitted was because back in the

02:08:06.540 mid 90s like there wasn't social media you had to watch the television if you wanted to get your

02:08:10.940 news etc so the jury didn't know half of the information that was being reported by the news

02:08:15.740 because they weren't allowed to watch the news right but in this situation where you have a

02:08:19.900 smartphone you have access to your smartphone people there's no way that the jury couldn't have seen

02:08:24.780 all the different types of social media posts concerning this case and everything else that may

02:08:28.940 have happened and also let's be honest here venue is very important they're in los angeles california

02:08:32.860 which is extremely liberal extremely left and extremely uh social justice warrior people like

02:08:37.660 lasanne are over there so they're not they're gonna go ahead and be like oh well it's the victim

02:08:41.980 it's the victim it's the victim and to me the thing that was crazy was you got a victim that's drunk you

02:08:46.700 got a another uh witness that was also intoxicated that can't give a concise story that admitted to

02:08:52.220 lying to the police during an interview and they were still able to convict tory despite the fact

02:08:56.940 that dna wasn't necessarily found the evidence wasn't properly gathered the bullets and the blood

02:09:01.820 wasn't marked properly we have conflicting testimonies it's just uh it was all over the

02:09:07.900 place and then you have police officers right the main detective on this case had a bunch of

02:09:11.820 credibility issues he was under investigation and might get fired so the fact that all of this stuff

02:09:15.980 was going on and and it didn't create reasonable doubt for a jury is uh man i'm i'm shocked i'm really

02:09:23.980 surprised i think tory lanes has a very strong um ability to appeal this though and um you know i i'm i'm

02:09:31.180 really shocked at the thing i'm just shocked at the verdict here if he's convicted fully is he like

02:09:34.940 done for like yeah they're gonna they're gonna deport him yeah point of percent i mean he's a canadian

02:09:39.500 national right so this has uh this isn't just like being convicted of a of a crime this is uh once he

02:09:45.660 does his jail time right he's gonna get sentenced i think january 27th well let's say they sentence him

02:09:49.580 to two years after two years immigration is going to be there waiting for him at the jail and they're

02:09:53.740 going to take him and and put him in removal proceedings and send them up to canada damn and he won't

02:09:57.660 be allowed to come back to united states you got a dog no man he's a dog dad yo act congrats bro you

02:10:02.620 you hit like 70 70k live viewers on twitch and youtube all together that's a w bro there's don

02:10:07.580 demarco right i was getting a haircut i was in the gym i was on the toilet listening to this whole like

02:10:14.860 coverage but academics bro shout out to you bro for keeping it at 1 000. so yeah no no no of course of

02:10:19.740 course it's i ain't gonna lie it's most i've ever streamed in life and um just kind of watching this whole

02:10:25.340 thing i'm gonna be honest with you like i'm so shocked that it happened like this is i don't know

02:10:31.580 man and real quick act because i have the verbatim language here which if lasanne had let me speak

02:10:36.700 basically when it comes to the fifth amendment the test is this whether the witness reasonably believes

02:10:41.180 that the disclosure could be used in a criminal prosecution or that it could lead to other evidence

02:10:45.660 that might be used against him or her right so and then there's also jury instruction that the jury

02:10:50.380 isn't supposed to consider pleading the fifth as implying criminal liability or guilt right

02:10:54.300 however in this case that only right applies to tori because he's the accused as far as kelsey

02:11:00.380 goes they can absolutely use it against her to attack her credibility as a witness so again hassan

02:11:06.940 was incorrect saying that she was protected through the fifth amendment for not wanting to testify yes

02:11:12.220 though she might not be criminally liable she is liable to have her credibility hurt as a witness and

02:11:17.900 that is the point she was a witness in the investigation not the target so since she was a witness

02:11:23.820 the fact that she took the fifth the fact that she lied to the police this can all be used to

02:11:27.820 discredit her as a credible witness this is where hassan doesn't know what he's talking about

02:11:32.860 by the way um you know what this also reminds me yeah this is why california is so dangerous for

02:11:37.900 like you know anything to do with you know um anything to do with a weapon period you know i mean

02:11:43.820 obviously the particular situation but you know uh their penalties and how they write their laws

02:11:50.860 according to these things and how it's amplified when it's a you know man and woman issue is it's

02:11:59.180 this this this got to be scary for a bunch of people you know i mean and no i'm not saying i was scared

02:12:03.820 for people who are abusing women um again if if we all seen a lot of data and a lot of in uh you know

02:12:12.860 things that came from court and we said oh we believe that it's going to go this way and we're

02:12:18.220 all wrong i mean we've ran polls we've had over a hundred thousand people vote yeah yeah well many

02:12:24.220 90 percent believe that it was going to be a not guilty verdict yeah and the average person can

02:12:29.980 not even get the the lawyer that tory got to fight this case so the average guy is screwed yeah yeah i

02:12:35.260 mean this is uh go ahead go ahead i'm also here sitting to think you know i thought even if he

02:12:41.340 did i thought it was going to get max like found guilty of one then not guilty on the other two and

02:12:46.780 i i thought i would be able to say oh you know what i think he messed up here and if he didn't mess up

02:12:51.260 here he would have like beat everything with this verdict is like where do like it just seems i don't

02:12:58.780 even know where to start to to kind of decode what he could have done differently this and third i know

02:13:03.900 some woke like well he's gonna well you could have started by not shooting her i get it right

02:13:07.740 well here's here's the thing so and this is the discussion i was trying to have when somebody

02:13:11.740 kept cutting me off this investigation this trial was a case of feels before reels because if you go

02:13:17.820 through each of the prosecution's evidence there's a reasonable expectation or sorry excuse me there's a

02:13:23.180 reasonable um there there's plausible deniability that tory might might not be culpable and i'll explain

02:13:29.020 what i mean by this so in the jail call and the text messages to meg right he says i'm sorry and

02:13:34.860 apologizes and the the prosecution heavily relied upon this however we know that on that night toy

02:13:40.140 was flirting with kylie jenner tory didn't want to leave the house uh meg left the house and it came

02:13:44.220 back for him he uh went ahead and exposed the secret to kelsey that kelsey had not known prior

02:13:49.180 that meg was running around and having sex with a bunch of dudes that kelsey was involved in a

02:13:52.220 relationship with that led to a fistfight that fistfight led to meg getting shot so there's a multitude of

02:13:56.860 reasons that tory could have apologized to meg it doesn't necessarily mean that i'm apologizing for

02:14:01.820 the exact reason of me pulling the trigger and shooting you there's a bunch of things there then

02:14:05.740 they want to talk about the dna well we know that the dna wasn't necessarily conclusive and to take it

02:14:10.940 a step further both dna experts testified that if tory had shot the gun five times more than likely

02:14:16.460 his dna would have been able to be found on the weapon conclusively it was not and then the other

02:14:21.340 piece of evidence that they used was what else ak here i'm going to look at my pictures i know we took a

02:14:26.700 a thing here what was the other piece of evidence that they had um oh sean uh the gunshot residue it

02:14:32.140 was on tory and it was on kelsey so that adds two potential shooters and then sean kelly right he

02:14:39.260 testified that he saw kelsey a woman shoot and he testified that a man shot as well well i mean

02:14:47.100 what man are we talking about we're talking about tory we're talking about the other guy like that's

02:14:50.860 just him saying oh yeah i saw a tory shoot but none of the other witnesses besides meg can say

02:14:55.260 tory shot right and and from what they're saying when he shot was a shooting at meg because sean

02:15:00.860 kelly also testified that he saw kelsey shoot the first shot so and his testimony was kind of all

02:15:06.620 over the place as well but what i'm trying to say is is that each piece of evidence that the

02:15:10.700 prosecution brought forward had some kind of doubt in it that there was a plausible deniability that

02:15:16.460 tory might have not been the one responsible and my thing is if you're going to bring someone on

02:15:20.780 trial it's got to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt put it like this i'm floored because i thought

02:15:28.700 you know it was going to be a combination of maybe many different things why they were going to

02:15:33.580 possibly vote for any guilty um charge against uh or any guilty verdict against tory what we now find out

02:15:42.300 is that basically all 12 members of the jury yeah believed meg the stallion's story despite it omitting

02:15:52.700 a bunch of details despite um her same things that everybody else was like no that didn't happen

02:15:59.340 they believed her yeah and again that's scary it was meg's testimony that got tory convicted and what

02:16:08.060 scares me is that her testimony number one was shoddy at best she was extremely intoxicated she

02:16:13.660 went at she can't conclusively what she says isn't proven through the evidence and she admitted a bunch

02:16:20.060 of important factors during it for example she did not admit that her and kelsey fought and she lied

02:16:25.180 multiple times yeah and also outside the court as well you know she gave conflicting accounts so my thing is

02:16:30.620 she should have never been a credible witness to begin with and the fact that the jury actually believed

02:16:34.860 her and convicted this man when there was a ton of reasonable doubt to prove that kelsey could have

02:16:39.500 also been a shooter is insane to me man so it is what it is i mean this is a scary moment for the criminal

02:16:47.020 justice system in general where a drunk intoxicated woman can get on the stand and that has lied before

02:16:53.740 by the way as well and given conflicting stories can go ahead and be the reason that you are convicted of

02:16:58.940 some very serious egregious crimes and not only is he going to go to prison but now he's going to get

02:17:03.580 deported as well if he doesn't if he isn't able to beat this on appeal and yo act as a yard man

02:17:08.540 how do you think tory's father felt when you heard that verdict bro oh he screamed like his whole

02:17:14.620 family was proud i'm gonna be honest with you i think they probably all went in today to say hey

02:17:19.260 we're gonna get a verdict maybe today if not um on tuesday but i believe they were all going in like

02:17:25.020 yo hey get the champagne bottles popping like you'll get like i think they were why everybody watching it

02:17:30.700 granted they're asking random people that's been at the court throughout this whole process hey what

02:17:35.020 do you guys think everybody's saying yeah and i think tory's getting off everybody i don't see no

02:17:40.300 one who says nah i think i think tory's fucked no one said it look at mo mo uh lawyers for worker he

02:17:47.180 interviewed a bunch of different people hey we have this thing everyone's like i'm gonna be honest with

02:17:52.300 you even people who said hey i came into this bias for meg and i believe no tory's gonna beat this

02:17:58.700 so i gotta imagine that the the the shock um from all these individuals including like you know

02:18:04.700 everybody from tory's team and even family yeah ridiculous so going forward now with this verdict

02:18:09.580 now that everyone knows about you think matt got a staple in the industry still she's gonna be popping

02:18:14.380 or no you know what that's so interesting how this is gonna play out because here's the thing i feel like

02:18:22.460 her her status in the game ain't changed right so like she's been getting awards i know

02:18:28.380 she said she's been going through it personally but she's been getting awards and really all these

02:18:31.980 accolades there's certain male entertainers which she has even said in her own testimony like drake

02:18:39.900 like the baby right people and obviously she says blogs like every blog just hates it right

02:18:45.260 but she says these people have picked a side and i'm wondering if she's if how those relationships in

02:18:55.340 the future will go right like i'm wondering does drake address this does drake say anything about

02:19:00.940 it does she ever do a song with drake does she ever do a show with drake um like i see two scenes

02:19:07.820 say something about it say kind of like it's fucked up he didn't really speak against meg but like

02:19:13.980 is there gonna be a divide i don't know bro you know if if i'm an artist and i saw what happened to

02:19:19.500 tory and meg like i'm still far away from meg bro a thousand with you bro i'm staying far away from

02:19:23.100 meg a hundred percent because she could lie about him nigga what about me she could say anything

02:19:28.700 yeah i mean it's just crazy because it's her and then also sean kelly from what i understand i'm

02:19:33.740 talking with someone right now they're telling me that he's the one that also said that the uh he put

02:19:37.740 the gun in tory's hand he said that tory definitely had the gun on him which you know that in itself is

02:19:42.060 pretty incriminating yeah yeah but but when he said that though he said he saw his hand in the air

02:19:48.700 shooting wildly in the air yeah that's why i thought if he was going to get caught with

02:19:52.220 anything it would have been the um discharge of the girl's negligence right yeah i was crazy all

02:19:57.100 three counts i did not expect that and me and you talked about that that it would if anything it would

02:20:01.420 be to potentially the discharge or the possession of the firearm but not the actual you know what i

02:20:05.580 mean the other shit hopefully good with a semi-automatic firearm i was shocked but i did

02:20:12.860 say if he gets convicted of that it's a 3-0 if you give him that you gotta give him the gross uh

02:20:19.420 um the gross negligence right um you also got to give him you're gonna just assign uh possession

02:20:26.700 towards him because the gun was found beneath his feet so you're gonna basically say who's

02:20:31.740 who's gun it was in the beginning um you already say he shot the gun um he shot someone now he has

02:20:37.580 beneath his feet you give him the last charge so it kind of went how um you know obviously not

02:20:43.020 the best way for tory but if they if they convicted you of that big that big one the rest was just

02:20:49.740 yeah tories probably stressed the out tonight yeah i mean they put him in cut they remanded him to

02:20:55.820 custody and he's not going to get a bond so he's going to have to wait and sit in jail until january 27th

02:21:00.140 yeah through the holidays too yep right before christmas all right no all rappers gotta say bro

02:21:05.820 that you're the news outlet because bro everyone's watching your your channel for this update bro

02:21:09.660 everybody and their mama so yeah this was you know there's moments in time in the history that i

02:21:17.020 remember feeling like everybody was watching me i remember when drake and meek were going back and

02:21:23.340 forth i felt like everybody was watching me i remember when 69 was on the stand i felt like everyone was

02:21:28.380 watching me i think i had like 30 000 people watching me read tweets it was kind of like this

02:21:32.940 except i was just only on twitch at that time this time you know we're on multiple platforms and it

02:21:38.140 was just like you know people were waiting two years for this and here's the funny part yeah what we're not

02:21:46.140 gonna get is that most people aren't gonna speak what they really feel about this facts yeah yeah they can't

02:21:52.620 yeah especially now with the verdict on my phone like yo act this is crazy they're gonna whatever

02:21:57.420 whatever and be like you're just between me and you that they're not gonna say you know what i mean

02:22:03.820 and um we're i'm gonna be i'm gonna be honest with you you're gonna say a lot of females who speak

02:22:08.380 speak up as you could expect but the male rappers who don't who don't speak up is more than likely

02:22:15.580 because they don't necessarily thought this was gonna be how it was gonna be so yeah you know they're

02:22:21.020 just not gonna put put themselves on the record that it could be used against them you know what

02:22:25.420 i mean but i want to hear you on 100 and then um charleston white talk about this what do you

02:22:30.380 what do you think is going to happen uh jack what do you what do you think is going to happen as far

02:22:33.420 as like her career goes you think she's gonna people are going to just say well we're not working

02:22:36.700 with her or is she going to be able to i mean i don't think it's going to affect her that poorly

02:22:39.980 because like i said before female artists don't necessarily get affected as negatively for cooperating

02:22:44.620 what the police like male artists do but uh what what do you think it's me she's probably going to

02:22:49.740 win some type of bravery or humanitarian award in the next year they're going to create an award for

02:22:55.820 her yeah for outstanding courage um through the face of you know divert adversity and this and third

02:23:03.900 um i believe that she's gonna it's always gonna be polarizing with her though you know um yeah i i've

02:23:10.860 personally said whether she won or she lost because i knew she it there would never be punitive action

02:23:16.060 even if she you know tori won the case right yeah i do think she needs to um you know um be a little

02:23:24.220 bit more likely to both genders because right now i i feel like you know a lot of dudes whether they

02:23:29.740 accept this version or not they're feeling like oh meg is the type of woman who would be lying on a dude

02:23:34.540 you know what i mean yeah and uh i don't think there's gonna be nothing that happens to her career

02:23:38.860 she's only gonna get bigger i think certain artists are gonna stay away from her yeah and um

02:23:43.580 i won't say it would be necessarily a blackballing but you're gonna see certain artists rather not

02:23:48.460 yeah uh not sure if it's going to be noticeable though because there's going to be a a a new line

02:23:53.340 of artists or a new lineup of artists trying to work with her so it might not even look noticeable

02:23:59.660 yeah yeah yeah when it's it's very and that again hassan coming in saying well well what do you

02:24:05.820 mean that male artists are more inclined to not work with the police i mean bro come on let's be

02:24:09.820 honest here like don't know the culture he doesn't understand the culture that you know if a woman

02:24:13.580 comes forward and you know says hey he shot me especially if she's a victim and it's a male

02:24:18.460 perpetrator well it's not going to have the same level of issue as if a male artist went ahead and

02:24:23.980 said yeah i'm a snitch and cooperate against other dudes it's not the same yeah you can still revitalize

02:24:28.380 your career the reason why i didn't argue with him about that particular um point of view is that

02:24:35.180 i i i had him on here before and we were talking about you know violence in chicago and due to drill

02:24:40.540 music yeah and and he refused to even acknowledge that you know revenge killings retaliations and making

02:24:48.620 songs about dead ops and all this stuff that's fueling it is a a very important contributing factor to

02:24:56.780 why the violence continues he literally stopped that they're only killing each other because of

02:25:03.420 um poverty and i said well while that yeah he said he says only poverty i said well while that's a

02:25:08.860 contributing factor you have to understand that there's a bunch of things that might be cultural

02:25:13.580 in nature that's fueling the crime rate he just was like no it's just poverty and i'm like if you don't

02:25:19.980 understand culture i i can't really i can't really even get to the point of arguing these things with

02:25:26.540 you because you don't understand it you know i mean yeah that's a nonsensical argument did you tell

02:25:31.340 him that fbg duck was a multi-millionaire and still died from gang violence in one of the richest areas

02:25:36.140 in chicago oh i told him all this incredible he's just he's the one here like that's what i'm saying

02:25:43.100 like i like having them all sometime but that's why i'm glad you i'm glad you you hopped in because

02:25:47.740 after a while i could just laugh bro like i don't know but i just gotta laugh bro yeah i mean the

02:25:52.220 thing is is that he was blinded by by by uh meg being a victim and he refused to acknowledge the

02:25:57.900 fact that just because she's a victim and she got shot does not mean that everything she says is on

02:26:03.260 point right she's a witness just like anybody else and her witnesses you know it can be criticized and or

02:26:10.860 deemed to be not credible especially since she went on multiple platforms gave multiple

02:26:15.500 re-accountments of the incident and they were not consistent which therefore hurts her credibility

02:26:19.900 as a witness and that's how it should be looked at him saying oh well she was shot she was a victim

02:26:25.500 etc i mean i get it we're not here to victim blame but at the same time the victim's got to be able to

02:26:29.500 be truthful to a degree especially when we're looking at a man's life and being able to have

02:26:33.420 him put in prison for a serious offense and having to be deported kelsey same thing oh well she was

02:26:38.460 going through postpartum depression i don't give a fuck about any of that shit you cannot lie you cannot sit

02:26:43.500 there and he's basically saying we got to give women the benefit of the doubt is what he's

02:26:47.260 essentially saying and i'm saying you can't do that postpartum depression her being sad her being a

02:26:51.820 victim fuck that this is why this believe all women mindset that a lot of people like lasanne

02:26:57.180 tried to subscribe to even though he's saying no i don't subscribe to that but you by your actions

02:27:01.900 of what you're saying you are subscribing to it because you're using female excuses such as postpartum

02:27:06.460 depression her being sad her being shot blah blah blah makes their testimony credible no it does not

02:27:13.260 men lie women lie numbers don't and that's why i'm such a big proponent on we cannot sit here and

02:27:17.820 say believe our women it's bullshit look at amber heard if johnny depp had never recorded those

02:27:22.540 situations in those instances he would probably not only be culpable from a liability standpoint for

02:27:28.780 the civil case he probably also would have went to prison yeah but thank god he recorded those

02:27:33.740 conversations and him attacking and i really wish that someone had recorded this situation too so we

02:27:39.180 could have seen what the hell really happened because even if tory did shoot at her guess what

02:27:43.020 i guarantee you kelsey was involved too yeah yeah but that's why i say i think hassan is someone who

02:27:52.940 knows how to sidestep really well and you gotta look at his audience too bro you gotta look at his

02:27:57.900 audience my bad mom my bad mom my bad girl yo what i thought this me bro and i know he was upset

02:28:03.900 that nigga this me bro no cap bro i'm gonna boom on that nigga bro no cap when i see that nigga

02:28:08.940 okay yeah you know like again if you understand by the way i i watch i watch fairly a good amount of

02:28:16.540 his content so like i understand how like he approaches and like i think it works for his

02:28:21.340 audience he's in a police he's like a he's like a like first of all the moment i realized he was a

02:28:27.660 socialist it was a socialist political like streamer who you know i mean like i feel like there's some

02:28:37.580 hypocriticalness there anyway you know i mean this guy lives pretty good but he's saying that we should

02:28:42.780 be in a socialist society i get it i get it with him i get it no no no my thing was my thing with

02:28:51.740 hassan was like like i was on but it was just like on this case i watched his stream so it was like i

02:28:57.660 know like he was reading blogs and like listen this is what really made me like like like don't add

02:29:03.180 this nigga bro he was reading meg the stallion blogs and he was believing everything megan the

02:29:07.900 stallion was saying right and then when kelsey got on stand and she was testifying under oath

02:29:12.780 he was like why should we believe her why should we believe her and i was like bro you're talking

02:29:16.540 about being biased but you believe megan the stallion instantly even though she lied on gail king

02:29:21.180 but you don't believe kelsey when she said oh yeah that testimony i did i was capping every time we

02:29:25.820 mentioned that you know what she said why wouldn't i believe her she got shot and i'm like all right

02:29:32.620 that made me realize he don't know what the like like i'm not going to diss

02:29:36.380 hassan like hassan knows the fuck he's talking about on debates and shit but on this specific

02:29:40.220 case politics politics i i i'll give him his credit talking about culture like he's a headline reader

02:29:49.580 but he was telling you that feet like only like he was telling you female and male streamers

02:29:54.620 rappers condones like don't condone snitches only the real male rappers bro people have about popping

02:29:59.900 a pussy rotten dick these are about shooting and killing because of course

02:30:03.100 saying their their codes are different from a who just rapping about remy weave and rotten dick bro

02:30:08.620 like let's be real he was arguing about the details of the case with me who have covered pretty much

02:30:15.260 every inch of it pause and also uh myron who literally has gone through extreme you know struggling

02:30:23.180 stripes to go get court documents to break down and he's he's going off headlines and you know

02:30:29.580 what i mean at the end of the day bro you know yeah another thing you got to remember too is that

02:30:33.900 hassan is a political commentator he appeases more to the liberal side you know i wouldn't call him a

02:30:38.780 far uh leftist but he definitely is a leftist so you also got to know when he makes his arguments he

02:30:44.700 makes his arguments from a very leftist perspective so what do leftists a lot of the times do they align

02:30:50.380 themselves with victims they align themselves with women they align themselves with social justice

02:30:54.060 warriors that's why he was so strong when i said well meg is an incredible witness oh my god how

02:30:58.940 can you say that she got shot well we can absolutely say that because she lied on the

02:31:03.180 record on multiple situations that is a fact that is not my opinion she lied in multiple situations

02:31:09.100 and or she admitted information that was critical to the case for example i said he she did not admit

02:31:15.020 right that she had sex with tori well why is that relevant why does her sexual past matter well it

02:31:19.820 doesn't matter because he started the fight bro but again hassan is a political commentator that

02:31:24.780 argues from the left so he's got to go with the feels before the reels yeah bro but myron hassan

02:31:31.180 literally said he said oh why does that matter and it was like bro then megan lied by saying bro she

02:31:38.220 never fought with kelsey she said she never it was never an altercation with kelsey tori beat kelsey up

02:31:43.580 the witness literally said he saw kelsey kicking her hooves her true religion horseshoe was in the air

02:31:49.660 also remember meg said hey me and tori but she said with with kelsey and tori it was just a crush

02:32:01.020 she downplayed it she downplayed it why because in her narrative you don't have an issue with kelsey

02:32:07.820 over tori when kelsey gets on the stand kelsey says well her tori was fucking months before her and

02:32:14.940 meg was fucking now if you listen to that makes sense you both were having sex with tori to listen

02:32:20.460 to to only meg only one of y'all were having sex with tori the other one just seems like a fan who

02:32:25.020 had a crush yeah all these lights bro tori is fogging me and jill bro it's crazy bro yeah that's

02:32:31.980 well man i mean i think the takeaway for men from this situation is uh number one don't be in california

02:32:38.620 number two you know what i mean don't be anywhere near a firearm if you don't have some kind of uh

02:32:42.860 you know concealed carry license and yo just don't get drunk around chicks bro because i mean

02:32:48.700 this was all in the scary part is that all the witnesses were drunk in this and they were able

02:32:53.180 to still convict them with a good amount of evidence that showed reasonable doubt yeah i'll tell you

02:32:57.900 wild i bet you what this is one time tori tori wish he didn't dabble in the dark

02:33:03.660 i'll say that oh man yeah bro and and i wish someone had recorded this situation if they recorded

02:33:08.780 this i mean fuck man even if tori did let off the shots at least they would have seen

02:33:12.700 that it wasn't just him it was kelsey involved as well because i i genuinely think kelsey was

02:33:17.180 was involved in this and shot that gun as well i think that's why she pleaded a fifth yeah that's

02:33:23.180 what i'm trying to say yeah yeah very early for us to think about um just kind of mistakes and and

02:33:29.580 what other moves could have made the ramifications i'm wondering if tori's thinking about it now like

02:33:33.900 hey maybe i should have had jaquan testify and maybe i should have took the stand i thought he had a

02:33:38.540 great case without it but like damn like i mean what else could he have done at this time is eating

02:33:43.900 an apple and some a ham and cheese sandwich right now like he's locked up it's over it's over for

02:33:49.980 right now it's over with so like like it's over with like sorry like the jury but but it was seven

02:33:56.460 bitches and one and what three four niggas where was it my five four niggas seven five yeah yeah so

02:34:02.460 it was like when bitches see megan the stallion cry they're gonna eat that shit up right they're

02:34:06.460 gonna eat that shit up like a lifetime drama but they're eating that shit up and they're gonna

02:34:09.580 influence the niggas yeah and i said it before that meg meg did a good job because her job wasn't to

02:34:14.060 necessarily report the facts her job was support was to report the feelings and what she was able to

02:34:19.020 do was to be able to pull at the heartstrings as a victim as the you know star witness for the

02:34:23.900 prosecution alongside kelly who's supposed to be the other star witness and uh they believed

02:34:28.140 her bro that's what she did was she got on there and uh she cried and she made it a scene and they

02:34:32.780 believed her and uh this is scary how someone's testimony uh that quite frankly isn't a credible

02:34:39.500 witness and that has been proven through fact because she lied on multiple situations that's not

02:34:42.860 my opinion that's a fact she lied multiple times the fact that a witness that isn't credible that was

02:34:47.900 intoxicated on top of that was able to convict someone is is wild yo by the way have you seen

02:34:53.980 the shade room comments they're eating tory up bro she's crazy that's crazy bro like yeah shade room is

02:35:04.780 run by a bunch of uh feminists anyway he's in um he's in the inmate system right now like i'm looking at

02:35:09.980 that right now nobel court 127 2023 i know in the next few hours and definitely next day or two i'm

02:35:17.420 gonna get a lot of people from the industry who won't share these opinions publicly but they're

02:35:21.660 gonna let me know and they're gonna be like yo damn this is that's crazy huh but i'm gonna be honest

02:35:26.780 with you uh if if you know we have these conversations about tory being blackballed um

02:35:33.420 um it's effectively safe to say that tory you know number one he should definitely worry about

02:35:40.380 his freedom and citizenship way before career but as of any time current um his career is it's kind

02:35:47.180 of lights out for it now by the way i wouldn't even be surprised if meg and her team doesn't try to go

02:35:54.540 at dsbs even though i think this would be unsuccessful for them to even have his music up you know they were

02:35:59.740 trying to do the r kelly like hey who are kelly's no it's rappers that's murdering niggas that are

02:36:05.660 still on dsbs like r kelly's shit was insane but like they like come on bro tory lane ain't go that

02:36:11.500 crazy like you know i'm saying it was a bullet frame like he shot the bitch in the head you got

02:36:15.340 to realize he's convicted like again you're kind of contextualizing it whatever what the headline is

02:36:21.900 always going to read from now tory lane's convicted of shooting a popular this is you know people love

02:36:29.500 obviously um um they love rihanna more but this is you know just when you think about a shot a

02:36:37.100 weapon put them broly hands on her bro like let's be real bro well she not nevermind well

02:36:46.140 rihanna did a drink feature rihanna did beat the shadow him too but they're not going to talk about

02:36:50.700 that on the air because it's always you know i'm saying we always put women first as the victims but

02:36:55.420 she beat the hell out of chris brown as well but no one's going to ever report that because

02:36:58.460 that's the unpopular opinion but nobody's ever going to report that tory and megan the via the

02:37:03.340 witness fought yeah yeah they ain't going to talk about that either yeah yeah so like bro like

02:37:09.020 not like that's just like boom right boom imagine the average guy has girls like lying on him say yo

02:37:14.700 he hit me whatever whatever he has no defense bro if tory can't win this case bro we're all doing bro

02:37:19.820 a thousand percent bro yo french it's so fucked up bro that shit is so fucked up bro if you don't have

02:37:25.020 it on camera like video of the bitch like wilding you're automatically at all as a

02:37:30.300 bro which is up hey what can i say bro yeah actually interesting i've seen um yeah ben

02:37:36.540 still mentioned it saying i think tory lane spent more than a million dollars on this case wow um oh

02:37:42.460 yeah 100 more probably more wow 100 i believe it yeah i've seen benzino say hundreds of thousands and

02:37:47.660 i'm like nah this is a million this is a million dollar defense it's a million dollar defense right

02:37:51.900 here you got to remember it's been going on for two years there's been many motions to like you

02:37:56.140 know remand them they have kept them out of jail they they they up the bond this that third um there's

02:38:02.220 been a lot of stuff that's going on i think he spent definitely a million on it um i'm wondering how

02:38:09.420 this is gonna happen when it comes to like you know cash flow for him or an appeal this and third

02:38:16.540 a good amount he's gonna have to be an international artist you know he's gonna have to do the six nine

02:38:20.060 thing and just do abroad and uh and that's it because yeah because i i estimate let's say he

02:38:25.020 doesn't win the appeal and he's got to actually do jail time since he went to trial he's probably

02:38:28.300 gonna have to deal with a higher jail sentence um it's the california penal system so they'll

02:38:33.500 probably give him somewhere between five to 15 years somewhere in that range he'll probably get

02:38:37.420 out on good behavior and then immigration is going to be there waiting for him and then they're

02:38:40.780 going to put him in removal proceedings and they're going to report him yo mark i don't know about

02:38:44.620 that bro i don't think he gonna do fire i think he'll probably get like three years

02:38:47.500 right three two years i'm estimating somebody shoot the bitch you know what i'm saying but

02:38:51.180 you got to remember that that he went to trial anytime you go to trial they're gonna they're

02:38:54.620 going to hit you with the book a little bit more than if you take a plea deal so i estimate somewhere

02:38:59.100 between five to 15 years is what he'll end up getting he might end up serving three years for

02:39:03.260 good behavior and then you know they're going to go ahead and start the deportation i think the um

02:39:09.340 the the sentence for the aggravated assault with the firearm is nine years it was semi-automatic

02:39:15.260 i think that's nine years i think he they'll get he'll get concurrent for the other charges which

02:39:20.220 for sure let's be for sure i think the maximum is 22 or something like that like 22 years altogether

02:39:25.980 max i think i don't think you're doing 22 and 60 of the time in california

02:39:31.740 i so i just got to say man there's a thing in the bible that talks about women is right

02:39:37.020 kingdoms bro and uh dude that that man built a massive music career over a period of time put in the work

02:39:45.420 to be destroyed by a bro that's crazy and asan said that tory lane hasn't been relevant since 2016.

02:39:51.020 i was like bro this this dude ain't that's what i knew asan didn't know about the culture because

02:39:55.740 yeah at that time tory lanes had the number three song in the world with tory lanes i mean with j uh

02:40:01.580 jack harlow and what the baby yeah a little way it was somebody else on it but at that time he had the

02:40:06.300 number three song in the world quarantine radio was busted yeah you can tell and he had quarantine

02:40:11.100 radio so you could tell hasan was just dick riding for the bitches to get like tier three subs from

02:40:15.420 bitches who like oh my god so you're such a just a white knight and shit like that and you

02:40:20.700 i'm looking at the um sentencing guidelines according to uh uh the semi-automatic uh assault

02:40:25.900 with the semi-autic firearm so it's punishable uh for at least up to nine years in prison

02:40:32.460 and um obviously there's some fines and some other shit but uh damn uh if it says nine years

02:40:41.180 yeah nine years obviously apparently he wasn't he wasn't on probation prior and he didn't have like a

02:40:48.780 uh a felony he didn't have a felony record so i gotta imagine maybe they give him like six to seven

02:40:55.180 he'd probably be on three to four i doubt it bro i doubt that i don't know i don't know

02:40:59.660 like i doubt it though for a first felony bro i mean modern is the fed nigger so you know more than

02:41:04.140 me he went to trial he went to trial that's why i think he's gonna he's gonna have to do some time

02:41:08.860 because he went to trial anytime you go to trial bro they're they're gonna

02:41:12.620 but it's like bro it's your first time still it i don't know bro it might be five though you're right

02:41:18.220 you're right yeah you might get out here's the time sir yeah yeah they might you know what i mean

02:41:21.900 and it's california there's parole there's good behavior there's all this

02:41:25.180 and then obviously he's got the deportation waiting so he's gonna get deported for real

02:41:30.220 yeah bro 100 yeah oh yeah he's out of here he's in barbados he's in cancun somewhere where are you

02:41:34.860 from yeah they're gonna yeah they're gonna send him back to canada after this because i don't even

02:41:38.220 know if he had a green card but even if he had one a felony conviction is is that's a wrap he was

02:41:42.060 probably here like a visa like a like a um an entertainer visa yeah but more than likely as soon as

02:41:47.340 he does his time out of california ice is definitely going to be there we're going to pick him up and

02:41:51.660 put him in deportation proceedings damn so that means we'll never be able to come back to united

02:41:55.980 states so that means right because this is what i would do right wow if i get charged like that two

02:42:02.940 years ago i'm doing whatever i can which obviously the first thing would be like i'm i'm getting

02:42:08.300 married right i'm doing something to try to get my citizenship or at least a green card some type of

02:42:14.460 permanent resident card that i'm not facing deportation if i get convicted it wouldn't matter

02:42:20.700 it wouldn't matter i'm telling you right now it doesn't matter because if he had a great let's

02:42:25.260 say he was married to a chick and he was in the process of naturalizing into a u.s u.s citizen and

02:42:30.060 this happened it wouldn't matter his green card will still be he'd lose it wow well i'll tell you

02:42:35.660 this bro he'll still lose it yeah the baby taking all his holes now yeah and the crazy part is he's

02:42:40.780 going to be excluded he won't be sent to united states after this probably okay is it a hundred

02:42:44.780 percent that that ice will go through with deportation proceedings or or you know does it depend bro like

02:42:51.340 90 i would say 98 chance he's going to get deported after this because he has a felony conviction he's

02:42:56.780 he's a superstar the the feds definitely already probably already launched larger detainer at this

02:43:01.180 point on him ice so and the detainer basically is an agreement between the jail and uh ice that they're

02:43:06.940 gonna be there to pick him up when he's released well yo yo mario wait hold on yo yo mario what's

02:43:13.100 the chances that he succeeds in appeal uh i i think he has a strong appeal case in this situation i i

02:43:20.620 genuinely do think that he has a and that's really the only thing that's left is an appeal because he

02:43:25.100 would have to appeal this bad boy and then once he gets that appeal if he can overturn this then that

02:43:29.500 deportation will be null and void wow well hold on so could he go into potentially uh a immigration hold

02:43:36.700 while he's going through an appeal like for example 21 savage i know 21 savage the case that he has

02:43:42.620 hasn't been so the gun case hasn't been even litigated yet um so he has he basically is in

02:43:49.420 this immigration hold type of thing where that's the only reason why he's not deported right yeah

02:43:54.220 um clearly there was a verdict given here but if you file the appeal let's say that the appeal is

02:43:59.260 like approved or whatever the case is clearly he's going to be in jail but could you use that to

02:44:03.820 possibly get a hold where if you complete your sentence they don't immediately ship you out

02:44:08.620 nah because he's are it's already been so since he's been convicted like as soon as he serves a

02:44:12.700 sentence like i guarantee you ice already probably lodged a detainer now wow like they're they're or

02:44:17.900 they're going to be in the process of lodging a detainer uh very soon like once he gets sentenced so

02:44:23.260 yeah like because the difference between 21 savage and uh and tory is that tory got convicted now in a

02:44:28.860 criminal court versus 21 is still waiting for his stuff so immigration kind of has it up in limbo

02:44:33.660 like okay we'll see what happens once that case is adjudicated then we can make our our call on

02:44:37.980 immigration well from what i heard if he if 21 loses that case even on appeal he would have to wait

02:44:47.260 outside of the united states for it he couldn't wait within so he would have to go back to you the uk

02:44:53.580 and wait for the appeal there rather than wait here which is you know that's kind of tough i i i

02:45:00.940 really don't know tory's um immigration because they would yeah because let's let's say they convicted

02:45:05.260 him right let's say 21's case they convict him and they say all right uh probation it doesn't matter

02:45:09.340 it's a felony conviction they would they would go and uh remove him because now they got an official

02:45:14.060 document saying that he's a convicted felon they would take that jnc boom then put him into removal

02:45:19.100 proceedings what'd i get i'm in robin no you're a citizen okay cool thank god wait wait wait so i

02:45:26.220 got a question i got a question yeah i don't know if i know this i'm almost i'm on i'm on hasasha

02:45:30.220 right now i don't know much but i'm gonna ask you about it nigga so you remember the um the one jury

02:45:35.740 who was like oh i know about social media i follow them or something like that and she was like oh but

02:45:40.620 i'm gonna be fair is she still in the jury or was she she was was she like substituted by somebody else

02:45:46.860 apparently she was still in there she was still in it yeah so i mean you have a case for what a

02:45:51.100 appeal right i mean yeah the defense can absolutely uh you know raise an appeal they can raise an appeal

02:45:56.780 and cite a multitude of reasons as to why tory lanes didn't get a fair trial bro and it's bro i ain't

02:46:03.980 gonna lie bro it's so much it's so much evidence for a reasonable doubt bro yeah it's like you have to

02:46:09.660 get an appeal bro it's like you have to just appeal that shit because like that yeah they're gonna they're

02:46:13.340 100 it's like an auto thing like they always almost always file an appeal immediately after uh

02:46:18.140 you know a verdict is right let's be real here can they afford to take a loss with tory they can't who

02:46:23.660 can afford to take a loss like the system itself the agenda if they lose i'm sorry if tory wins his

02:46:28.380 case then he proves all them wrong that would look bad on them true you know la did anything to try to

02:46:35.260 they try to get them on bribery like they try to anything i think it's really honestly well it's gonna go

02:46:39.820 it's gonna go to the supreme it's uh you know the california supreme court and then if it you know

02:46:43.980 if it needs to get elevated even more than it can um so so i don't i don't even think an appeal is

02:46:51.660 gonna come through before he does at least a few years i think it's gonna be oh yeah it's gonna take

02:46:55.420 so he's gonna do some jail time until this appeal is finally filed away and everything yeah he's gonna

02:46:59.580 do some time because it takes a long time man people are gonna just um take this into their just

02:47:08.380 mentality that okay this is what happened and move on you know people on to the next thing

02:47:12.460 they're thinking about why sell to a year from now they're not gonna be like holding on to hope like

02:47:17.180 yo whoa we're waiting for the appeal now it's gonna be like all right yo even if we we disagreed with

02:47:22.220 it like that's just over with you know i mean the same steam and the same you know i mean um like

02:47:27.020 support that people were kind of given hopefully hoping that he was gonna be innocent i don't see them

02:47:32.300 giving a like that again damn i think it's the one done thing that's crazy yeah freedom and it's

02:47:40.380 like you know his ability to make a living um but i i don't think the public will be invested like

02:47:46.860 this again um for anything to do with this particular case especially an appeal yeah appeals

02:47:53.580 are hard to overturn you know i'm sorry you know make do the ultimate gloat thing like you know i mean

02:47:58.060 do the encore like the victory lap i know it's gonna be what about uh vives cartel's uh appeal

02:48:03.500 vives cartel that's jamaica different vives cartel is like completely different though like

02:48:08.380 vives cartel is like bigger than drake in jamaica so like what drake is in the united states

02:48:13.900 he's bigger than that because he's almost like a he's a cultural leader that that almost has power

02:48:19.260 like a government official you get what i mean so like people grow up on him so people care about

02:48:24.220 him way more than they would care about the tory lanes you get what i mean okay

02:48:28.060 all right yo yo yo act yo act you think they're gonna make a custom jumpsuit for tory lanes in

02:48:31.820 there since you like five stop playing with tory i'm just saying bro he guilty bro he in there right

02:48:37.500 now he's in the system i'm looking it up i believe that yo i i think i think tory might

02:48:45.740 have been doing like a documentary or something like that man it's over for that documentary

02:48:49.820 yeah it's it's it's wild i mean all i took away from this was that if there was this amount of

02:49:04.540 conflicting information this amount of conflicting testimony this amount of evidence that showed

02:49:08.620 that there's potentially another shooter uh yeah dude and it wasn't necessarily just tory lanes by

02:49:15.660 himself the fact that he was still convicted with a real defense team and experts testifying on his

02:49:21.020 behalf even a state's test uh uh expert that testified for the dna couldn't conclusively say

02:49:26.940 it was tory lanes i mean yeah bro this is uh this is the l for the criminal justice system in general

02:49:32.460 and uh the only thing i could take away from this is california is a l gun laws in california are

02:49:37.020 an l and don't be drunk around women and don't do stupid shit and you got to be you know you got to be

02:49:41.660 on your p's and q's man because we live in a world where um believe all women and uh yeah it's just

02:49:47.420 wild shit man it's wild it's it's crazy hey i told y'all niggas megan was innocent bro i told y'all

02:49:52.780 niggas bro three three days ago bro get out of here with that man

02:49:59.260 like you know i'm watching all the comments on even shade room like yeah there's a lot of fans and

02:50:03.980 obviously you know like a lot of you know women who probably more than the case they're probably

02:50:08.220 thinking about maybe situations they feel they've been victimized so they're kind of just coming out

02:50:12.140 and yeah they're going out the fields versus the reels um but but like i'm scrolling through i don't

02:50:17.900 really see many people from the industry who are like oh yes finally got him i'm gonna be honest

02:50:22.380 like i'm looking at this one with 13 000 comments i don't see a bunch of like industry folks you know

02:50:26.940 i mean who are like celebrating this um and and if you ask me it's because i really believe the majority

02:50:32.380 of the industry the the tides were turning and they really were believing tory you know what yeah

02:50:37.340 what if you what if you see drake post on the story like yo venga was innocent man i feel so fat

02:50:41.980 sad for her what do you want to do that not sure

02:50:52.620 yeah i'm i'm looking at they have 90 000 comments on this one thing

02:50:55.980 and um for all the verified people it's like it's like the it's like instagram it's like

02:51:03.340 celebrities there's no like rapper rapper there's no there's no one i'm not seeing it

02:51:10.940 no i saw another i mean this is sad bro this is just sad bro like

02:51:15.900 we as men took a l keep it out with your bro yeah criminal justice system took a l

02:51:19.900 yeah hey bro you gotta move you gotta move smarter with these hoes bro you know this is

02:51:23.900 a lesson for all the guys out there bro big lesson just put your phone out bro i'm sorry bro yeah

02:51:28.620 you gotta record all any bullshit that you're on with a woman bro you gotta pull your phone out and

02:51:33.340 record because even in this situation like kelsey and meg were trying to protect each other in the

02:51:38.540 beginning which is why they didn't necessarily admit that they had fought each other which is a very

02:51:42.220 important fact that they didn't disclose to the police in the beginning and act like a good point as

02:51:46.300 well you brought a video showing what happened right after the altercation and kelsey was saying

02:51:51.980 yo meg you good you good girl i'm like bro they were still friends at that point in time so i was

02:51:57.340 like it's two against one bro but you could tell she'd be her ass and was like damn i did not mean to

02:52:02.860 shoot your ass like damn you good but but i i know you got to be um somewhat um but i mean you you're

02:52:11.500 a very like um objective you weren't like on one side or the other so i get that part as well but

02:52:17.420 i try to place as objective i can yeah you know obviously you know i'm a man so like i know how

02:52:23.980 sometimes people once they just see hear about a man and a woman a lot of people are inclined to

02:52:28.620 believe like the just the word men means abuser yeah you know what i mean like they've they've almost

02:52:34.300 vilified having a balls and the dick so it's like as soon as they hear something between a man and a woman

02:52:40.380 they just be like oh this thing is guilty so again you know when i first like you know i

02:52:44.780 reserved judgment at first and then once i saw like a bunch of stuff coming i'm like well maybe

02:52:49.740 the whole story isn't told and i was just down to give him a chance i'm down you know again you could

02:52:54.620 ask tory from even when we first even talked about it you know what he says to act i won't be honest

02:52:58.620 with you he says yo he says i'm i'm actually surprised remember i don't know if i remember me and

02:53:05.100 tory weren't on the same page for a second i people in my stream remembered um because it was

02:53:10.060 some on clubhouse this and third but in reality i just looked at i i looked at him and it wasn't

02:53:16.780 about oh that is tory i was just like i was looking at the facts of what i'm hearing coming out and it

02:53:21.900 looked like it could be more to the story and unfortunately people me not jump into conclusions

02:53:27.740 people thought i was being paid by tory people thought that like yo you want to worry like you

02:53:32.940 know like there's just like they make up all type of stuff right like they make up all type of things

02:53:37.900 just because you're like let me see what's going on then i would report things that that were

02:53:43.580 accurate but it didn't make meg look the best and then people were like no why would you report that

02:53:48.220 i'm like wait are we only in the business of reporting things that make meg look like the

02:53:52.540 absolute victim and i realized that you know tory was in a fixed fight you know i call the shots on my

02:53:58.060 own platform there's no rock nature or nobody else i could just program me and tell me how to do it

02:54:02.780 and you know i'm me i'm my own man and um if you ask me if i would do anything any different going

02:54:08.700 back no like i would have covered it the same way yes towards the end of it after covering like 10 days

02:54:15.580 in court yeah i started making up my mind personally what i think i'm like you know i think listen i still

02:54:21.260 don't know who did it right but i definitely thought it was gonna be the case i thought that's

02:54:24.780 an easy assumption i'm like yo this case is bullshit you know what i mean i'm like this case is

02:54:29.980 bullshit right and um when i see this type of shit i'm like wow this is you know um

02:54:37.100 a little speechless about it but well ak you put in the time you're a great journalist bro you deserve

02:54:41.660 some time for yourself now because you've been covering this day in and day out so ak we need

02:54:46.220 a paid vacation little boom mind myself to dubai let's go bro yeah i uh we out we out bro we in

02:54:53.900 we in dubai bro i think the situation here by the way um go ahead you know i guarantee tori sitting

02:55:03.180 back and thinking if the if this had happened in florida he's free yeah he's super there you go

02:55:11.100 he's super yo chris let's kill the streams on everywhere except for youtube guys come on over

02:55:14.540 to youtube on fresh and fit man sorry if you're watching us on one of the other ones

02:55:19.260 hey boogie posted free my bros but he didn't have anything to do with tori lands bro

02:55:23.580 yeah they just had a song together take shots

02:55:25.820 they were posted free my bros 20 minutes ago oh he said free my bros he put an s on it

02:55:30.460 nigga pre my bros with a black heart oh he probably told me he probably told my young thug

02:55:35.980 it um

02:55:39.180 they talk about tori the goat day star peterson

02:55:44.540 hey boogie with the hoodie

The Debrief With MyronGainesX - January 20, 2023

Tory Lanez Verdict Debate w⧸@HasanAbi Ft.@KingAkademiks

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