On this week's episode of the Disagreeable Better podcast, we are joined by reporter Candace Stoltenberg to talk about her reporting on the Charlie Kirk shooting at UVU. We talk about how she got to the scene of the shooting, why she was there, and what she found out about what happened that night.
00:42:26.860I do want to say one more thing, Ryan. We've had a group startup here. They created what they call the Dignity Index. It's basically a social credit score. Within days after the Charlie Kirk shooting, they announced a big merger between the Dignity Index and the Disagree Better community.
00:42:45.560These guys are not wasting any time. They've got events already planned, all lined out. They're not wasting any time to make the most of this crisis for an agenda which is purely Marxist agenda.
00:43:00.020That's another part of this that really is glaring to people who are here local watching it happen, just the opportunism.
00:43:06.980Phil, can I ask you a question about the locals, actually? Obviously, I want to just make sure that the space should try to understand if Phil doesn't want to answer this entirely or in part for the privacy of some locals, that would make total sense.
00:43:22.660I'm curious, Phil, if you have, A, heard any of Candace's reporting about her contact with people on the ground there, locals that live in the community and right around the campus.
00:43:33.520And if you have heard any of it, is that lining up with your experience with the locals or do you have any comment on the people that have actually been living there that know the families or that have the actual context here?
00:43:47.360Yeah. I will say this. I really admire Candace for asking the questions and jumping to conclusions. That's fine.
00:43:55.480When she's talking about, like, the Steele family, that's my family. My mother's maiden name is Steele. It's really, really interesting that that goes into that, and she goes off on some tangents that I think, you know, maybe do a disservice to the dialogue in general, but overall, she's asking a lot of questions that bring up a lot of, you know, answers, I guess, so that the families can come out and they can answer it.
00:44:18.100So, yeah, I mean, I'm standing right now, you know, a mile from UVU as we speak, and it's just a constant thing. And, yeah, some of our reporting is off, but it's not off in its intention, I guess.
00:44:37.600Cool. Thank you, Phil. Phil, I'm going to send you a DM if you'd look for it.
00:44:52.240But thanks for answering that. I appreciate it.
00:44:54.380Yeah. Yeah. No, thank you. You know, when I was standing up there with Charlie, I wanted to say, you know, he was throwing out the hats. I've said before, when Charlie shows up, he brings the party with him. There was no sense of, like, impending doom or anything. It was a party.
00:45:07.440I was standing next to this handicapped gentleman, and he said, do you know Charlie Kirk? And I said, I do. And he said, can you get me a hat? I said, I can.
00:45:16.520And right about that time, Charlie came. I was just going to get one from one of the volunteers. Charlie came around, and I waved to him, and he went to toss the hat, and he saw who I was pointing at, that it was a handicapped person.
00:45:25.860And he walked over with the biggest smile on his face, and he handed him that hat, and it was, like, pure, you know, humanity and compassion and such a genuine person.
00:45:37.560And the biggest tragedy when I was standing there, even just within a few seconds after it happened, I thought, this is 3,000 kids who are going to be severely impacted by what they've just witnessed here, and, you know, very, very traumatic for the locals, and a lot of my friends who had their, you know, young children there and stuff.
00:45:59.260So it is not a small thing, and when we talk about things, you know, in political context and stuff, we come back to, like, this is what we saw.
00:46:09.340You know, I have to remind myself every day. I think Charlie Kirk really – I think that really happened.
00:46:13.620It seems so surreal that it happened here, but then you have to go to the next step, which is somebody did this.
00:46:20.040Somebody planned this. I don't think it was Tyler Robinson. If it was, okay, but let's just get the answers.
00:46:26.920People, like Myron was saying, you know, you leave those big gaps open, and it just gets filled with whatever people can fill that, and it would be so easy to answer those questions, you know, like showing the film of him taking the shot.
00:46:41.800Why don't we have that? Why don't we have the film of him going through the stairway?
00:46:46.740Just a thousand things that could be so easily answered that when they're not, you have to conclude that it's intentional to mislead.
00:46:52.920And I wanted to bring up Melissa. I believe she had sent something to Mays that Mays thought was interesting, so I wanted to give Melissa – did you have something you wanted to add to this conversation or something you needed to add to this story?
00:47:05.920Hey, everybody. I don't have any intel. I just wanted to say happy Friday night and kind of say hello to all the people who are, you know, working through what we've lived through and join in the grief and the frustration.
00:47:22.600And I just want to audibly say, like, we all know they just think we're stupid.
00:47:29.560I just feel like I need to get that off my chest and say that in a public forum of, like, we are not stupid, and you morons who think we're stupid, you can just, you know, insert expletive.
00:47:41.540But I did – I just love everything you said, Phil, in bringing that local touch and just really quickly want to piggyback.
00:47:54.940All right, women are yapping. Okay, so you guys are probably wondering, Myron, what are you looking up right now?
00:47:59.540Also, for those of you that are not familiar, I'm looking up the Frank James case.
00:48:03.740Frank James was a guy that went on a New York subway and killed a bunch of people.
00:48:09.160I don't know how many people he killed, but he shot a bunch of people.
00:48:12.780Give me one sec. I want to pull this case up.
00:48:21.600If you guys remember, back, I think, in Brooklyn.
00:51:42.860All right, I think we might just get into the news.
00:51:44.340We'll listen to this a little bit longer, guys, and then we're going to go ahead and get into the news.
00:51:48.720Well, evidence and trace evidence destroyed.
00:51:51.520In the case of RFK, the LAPD lost or destroyed all the wood panels in the room of the pantry where RFK was killed at the Ambassador Hotel.
00:52:00.800They lost or destroyed the wood wall panels, the ceiling tiles, and the doorframe where bullet holes were in.
00:52:06.900And then in the case of Martin Luther King, there was a possible second shooter that eyewitnesses placed in the bushes nearby.
00:52:13.380And the city, within hours, had destroyed that crime scene by chopping down and ripping out the flowerbeds and all the bushes and all the foliage, destroying that crime scene.
00:52:25.500And then in this case, where Charlie was sitting, within a couple days, I guess, they ripped up all the sod and paved it over.
00:52:33.780So if there had been any trace evidence or something unconventional that, like, we uncover, now it's impossible to investigate.
00:52:49.660I mean, that's another one of those things is, like, why are they doing this?
00:52:52.920And they didn't do it on a random time.
00:52:55.780On a random time, Sunday morning, it was a Sunday morning when they brought in their backhoe and their skid steer, and they started, you know, digging this up.
00:53:04.260It's like a university doesn't have a crew that's working on Sunday morning, especially in Utah.
00:53:11.240And you're saying, well, if the FBI is doing this, where is the sheriff?
00:53:55.580But, like you say, they rip out all that sod to put in all this concrete paving, which makes absolutely no sense other than to create, you know, questions where there didn't have to be questions.
00:54:11.060When I posted about this, Phil, just so you know, there was a lot of comments, and you could kind of see that they started having this excuse that it was already planned to do that prior to the event.
00:54:22.780The plans previously should have changed.
00:54:24.460They should have protected that, right?
00:54:26.140And if it was planned, then, you know, then you would show up Monday morning with your crew and say, you know, Sunday does not make any sense.
00:54:35.020Sunday, you know, 10 o'clock in the morning on a Sunday.
00:54:37.960Again, in Utah, when people are all at church and everything else, it's like, this is not normal.
00:54:47.400You were saying something about, I caught the end of it there.
00:54:49.460Yeah, so RFK was killed in the pantry of the Ambassador Hotel after winning the California primary, and just to catch everybody up, Saron Saron was the alleged shooter, but all his shots, his gun only held eight bullets, and he shot at RFK from the front.
00:55:04.280But the death bullets came from close range behind RFK.
00:55:09.960Number two, audio and eyewitness testimony combined say that there were 10 to 13 shots fired.
00:55:16.260And so any bullet holes that had been in the wall paneling or the ceiling tiles or in the door frames, all that evidence was lost because the LAPD lost or destroyed it.
00:55:27.860So this is just one of these parallels where these conspiratorial assassinations, one of the hallmarks of them is destruction of the crime scene.
00:55:37.880And so when I saw that happen to Charlie's crime scene, it really, like, that was a big red flag to me.
00:55:46.940You know, anyone that thinks Saron Saron killed RFK is 50 IQ.
00:55:51.460It's literally physically impossible when you look at the evidence and where he was with multiple witnesses there, people that had zero incentive to lie on his behalf.
00:55:59.520And the guy doesn't remember any of it.
00:56:01.300And all the kill shots came from literally behind them.
00:56:23.760And he's been trying to get him out of prison, actually, for a while.
00:56:25.900But but yeah, no, I see what you mean, though, Sam.
00:56:28.760I'm like, yeah, this has all the same, you know, problems, the same reek of corruption, like JFK, obviously, with RFK.
00:56:38.280Yeah, these assassinations always have a bunch of problems.
00:56:40.760And this is why I think the FBI needs to, you know, if they truly want to be transparent and there isn't any bullshit going on, you need to come with everything.
00:58:00.940So at 1130, we're going to bring on Tyler's AI model and let some of the panel have a have a few conversations and see what we can't dig up with this AI model.
00:58:42.980And then the Martin Luther King autopsy was performed by the same guy who did the JFK autopsy.
00:58:48.740And he covered up what multiple eyewitnesses or multiple witnesses say that Martin Luther King was actually killed in the hospital by a group of men from the Dixie Mafia.
00:59:01.520So there's a, there is actually, there is a, an autopsy subterfuge there.
00:59:07.760So this is another hallmark of these coverups is via the autopsy.
00:59:12.460And, and, and also I put in that thread, Yitzhak Rabin's assassination, also autopsy subterfuge.
00:59:19.300So again, here with Charlie, we have an issue where there was no autopsy and the medical reports that are coming out, like are inconsistent with what the narrative they're telling us.
00:59:32.080So I just wanted to let people know, this is another parallel of another red flag for possible coverup that matches the coverups of other high profile assassinations, subterfuge with the autopsy.
00:59:44.720Man, the Dixie Mafia, you know, I had a, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:59:50.600With the Dixie Mafia, man, I had studied those guys.
00:59:53.760They didn't get put, they didn't get disrupted and dismantled till like damn near the nineties, the Dixie Mafia.
00:59:58.360Ian, you were saying something, my bad.
01:00:17.300While he's doing that, and you guys can drop me down after, I wanted to make sure I grab Myron and Sam.
01:00:25.120Is there any legal precedent for not signing off on the autopsy or destroying the crime scene in any of those things, especially like with what we see now?
01:00:33.080And also, if they didn't do an autopsy, how'd they find the bullet in his neck?
01:00:36.680So from what we've been told is it was the surgeon who removed the bullet from his neck.
01:00:43.040And that last we heard that came across the police scanners, it was the local police were basically questioning, can we release this body?
01:00:51.680And there was some back and forth between the police officer and the one officer was like, hey, well, let's just make sure we document.
01:00:56.440And we get that in the record that we're basically being ordered from what it sounded like to basically release this body without an autopsy being done.
01:01:03.040And then you have to go a step further.
01:01:05.120And by law, by some type of the FAA laws, for a body to fly, it has to be embalmed.
01:01:11.760And so allegedly they would have, you know, refused to do the autopsy and embalmed it and then put it on a plane.
01:01:16.280Because with the JFK, it was like almost a gunfight in the hospital here when that happened, because I thought it was the coroner in Dallas has to sign off on that body to leave the hospital.
01:01:27.660And like the Secret Service refused and they took it anyways.
01:01:31.380Yeah, they basically stole it and took it to Bethesda where they had the military lined up to examine the body.
01:01:36.720But we went over this earlier just to catch everybody very quickly, about 20 doctors and nurses at Parkland Hospital in Dallas said that there was a prominent wound on the back of JFK's head that looked like an exit wound.
01:01:50.460And several doctors said there was what looked to be an entry wound in his throat.
01:01:54.160But then the autopsy results from Bethesda Naval Hospital later had it completely reversed.
01:01:59.840The big wound in the front of the head, entry in the back.
01:02:02.580And then there's I mean, there's entire books and documentaries about and let me let me answer this here for you real quick, because people here are probably going to say, well, Sam, that's bullshit.
01:02:10.740We've all seen the video. How are they not? Are they retarded?
01:02:13.400Like, of course, it's an exit wound. Guys, the Zapruder film didn't come out till the 70s.
01:02:17.440Like RFK never saw the Zapruder film in a lot of members of JFK's family.
01:02:23.8601975. 1975 is when the public first saw the Zapruder film.
01:02:28.160So remember, guys, this is the 1960s. No one had cameras.
01:02:30.840This is kind of unheard of. So by the way, Zapruder was a Jew.
01:02:33.980It's kind of funny. But anyway, it's like they're always there at their perfect moment to capture it for some odd reason.
01:02:38.140But that's a whole other story. But yeah, dude, like like, you know, because no one because it wasn't captured on film.
01:02:44.560So when JFK got shot, they just kind of went with the narrative because the Secret Service basically stole the body, took them, took them up north.
01:02:50.820You're right. Follow. They basically had to get into a fight with in Texas saying that they were going to take the body.
01:02:56.740And they're like, no, you're not going to take the body. And they're like, no, we are going to take the body.
01:02:59.480They got in a fucking brawl damn near and then ended up taking up the body.
01:03:02.400And then, yeah, Arlen Specter with the whole magic bullet theory.
01:03:04.560They fucked up the autopsy. But the reason why they didn't have pressure on them.
01:03:09.300A lot of people don't know this because the Zapruder film didn't come out for over 10 years later.
01:03:14.020And that's what you mentioned the magic bullet.
01:03:16.940I'm glad that you mentioned the magic bullet, Myron, because I made this point earlier.
01:03:20.220It turns out that JFK was not the only one with the magic bullet, because if you think about it, RFK, there's a magic bullet there because the kill shot comes from behind, not the front.
01:03:28.700And did you know that the kill shot bullets, the ballistics analysis did not match Saron Saron's gun?
01:03:35.040So that's actually kind of a magic bullet there.
01:03:37.520But it gets worse because Martin Luther King, the kill shot bullet, the ballistics didn't match James Earl Ray's gun, another magic bullet.
01:03:45.500And here with Charlie, again, it's the same theme.
01:03:48.540A .30-06 round that's miraculously magically stopped by Charlie's neck.
01:05:04.000And I'll give you another one, Myron, and it's not in my tweet because I just found this out today from Candace.
01:05:09.040But Candace is now alleging that Tyler wasn't even there, right?
01:05:13.340Now, here's another important parallel for people.
01:05:16.080And Myron will know this because he's pretty studied on this with guys who have researched this.
01:05:21.900But there are people that have made a credible case that Lee Harvey Oswald did not fire any shots and was not even present at the time of the assassination.
01:05:35.360And then in the case of Martin Luther King, they have established that James Earl Ray was not actually present at the boarding house when the shot was taken.
01:05:55.560If what Candace is saying turns out to be true, that Tyler wasn't there, obviously that in and of itself will prove a narrative conspiracy.
01:06:04.340But it's another parallel with these other conspiracies where the Patsy at the...
01:06:08.740I'll put James Earl Ray thing there so you guys can look at it so you guys can read.
01:06:18.400Coincidence is going to take for people to be like, hey, something might be wrong.
01:06:23.880Well, that's why I put this list together, Coyote, and compared it to all these other high-profile assassinations so that you can't be gaslit.
01:06:34.000And again, I made all the caveats back then.
01:06:37.360I said, look, I'm not saying there was a conspiracy or that these parallels prove there's a conspiracy.
01:06:42.260But what I am saying is that these parallels, I believe, are sufficient to suspect one and to certainly raise enough of a red flag that we should be open and investigate these things.
01:06:57.360And that you're not crazy for seeing parallels in this assassination and other high-profile assassinations.
01:07:04.220You're not crazy and you're not stupid and you're not low IQ.
01:07:07.980That, like, you know, people are picking up on these matches and there are a lot of matches.
01:07:12.700We're now pushing, like, 15 to 20, over 20 different parallels between Charlie's assassination and these other high-profile assassinations.
01:07:58.220Now, obviously, it's going to be harder for them to get away because it's 2025, not 1963 or not 1968.
01:08:03.160But, yeah, dude, in the JFK assassination, MLK assassination, JFK, RFK, it was all, you know, all of them had some type of problem when it came to one of these variables, whether it's autopsies, bullet trajectories, wound patterns not matching up, ballistics not matching up, all types of problems.
01:08:24.200Right. So, again, just to let everybody know, the full list and comparisons, it's up in the nest.
01:08:31.600It's a four-tweet thread. Go bookmark it. Check it out. Do your own research. Check me out. Check out what I've said.
01:08:38.660But, like, you know, I just want you to know, don't let yourself be gaslit.
01:08:42.080I think it's absolutely reasonable to suspect foul play, and, you know, in terms of a conspiracy.
01:08:47.040And I'll say, and we said this the other night, Ian and I talked about this, but just a couple days ago was the anniversary of the release of the Warren Commission report.
01:08:58.660It was a 900-plus page report that concluded Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, that there was no conspiracy, and no foreign involvement.
01:09:06.900And all three of those were lies. And who was on the Warren Commission?
01:09:10.160You had the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
01:09:11.880You had a former director of the CIA who was being blackmailed by the Mossad, we now know, and a future president of the United States, Gerald Ford.
01:09:19.800And, again, the guy who invented the Warren Commission was a guy, it was a Jew named Eugene Rostow, who was the brother of the architect of the Vietnam War, Walt Rostow.
01:09:31.120And Kennedy wanted to take us out of Vietnam.
01:09:33.580So this connects the JFK assassination with Vietnam, with, you know, the Warren Commission, all this weird stuff.
01:09:40.680So if you think that they won't lie to us, you have basically a president of the United States, a CIA director, and the head of the Supreme Court of the United States, all said, Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, no conspiracy, no foreign involvement, and is a bald-faced lie.
01:10:02.480I was going to say, I thought we didn't come off like this.
01:10:04.060Well, yeah, if my mic works. How's my mic right now?
01:10:06.380We can hear you. It sounds like you're driving, but we can hear you, bro. You're good.
01:10:09.160Yeah, I'm driving. I'm on a big drive.
01:10:11.920I just wanted to point out, so it was like when we were talking about the autopsy, actually, you guys went on to talk about all these other things that are the exact same point, that I just wanted to use the exact words, that those are all indications of an intelligence agency.
01:10:24.780The difference is, like, there are people that get killed by random lone nuts.
01:10:28.940But it's basically when these kinds of things happen, it's either a random lone nut or it's some sort of intelligence agency or organized crime, which is really the same thing in most cases.
01:10:38.760And so all the evidence that these guys just went through, all those parallels, those are the classic hallmarks, because a lone nut doesn't think about the autopsy.
01:10:48.580A lone nut doesn't worry about all these other confounding factors, because a lone nut is usually on a suicide mission or is not, like, is usually just kind of out in an emotional, like, train of thought.
01:10:59.500But an intelligence agency thinks, like, how do we fool an autopsy? How do we, like, throw off the media? How do we, you know, spin the narrative afterwards?
01:11:07.460And so when you see those things, your first thought should be, which intelligence agencies would want to do something like this?
01:11:15.680Very well said, brother. I know we had quite a few hands up here. Mays, did you want to go to Uncommon Sense?
01:11:20.540Yes, and I just have one quick statement to highlight, is when we're talking about these assassinations that took place back in the 60s, right?
01:11:29.500Like, this is 2025 on a college campus, and there's only, like, maybe five videos in rotation that have gone viral.
01:11:36.420Like, where are all the other videos? How come those videos have not been able to either be uploaded, or do they not exist, or did something happen?
01:11:43.280That's another piece that I think is highly suspicious. But yeah, let's send it over to Uncommon Sense.
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01:28:12.080Maren Gaines, have you seen, heard the audio call leak where people are saying Kirk did not go into the autopsy and the doctor signed a death certificate at the hospital?
01:36:49.720So, Eastern District of Virginia, criminal case number, blah, blah, blah, blah, count one, false statements within the jurisdiction, count two, obstruction of a congressional proceeding, James Comey, bam, here's count one.
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01:37:20.260By a federal grand jury in Virginia, Comey is now facing two charges, obstruction of a congressional proceeding and lying to Congress.
01:37:30.980If he is convicted, he will face five years in prison on each count.
01:37:34.560President Trump writing on Truth Social tonight, quote,
01:37:37.360Justice in America, Comey, has been so bad for our country and is now at the beginning of being held responsible for his crimes against our nation.
01:37:47.740As I myself told James Comey right here on this show a long time ago, he has the right to remain silent.
01:40:54.320The election of 2016 was a whole different thing.
01:41:03.060The Democrats believed that Hillary Clinton was going to absolutely walk into that office with no problem.
01:41:09.880Write about that in the United States of Trump.
01:41:12.020If you haven't read that book, that might be a good pickup for beach reading if you, you know, read Confronting the President and saw all the other killing books.
01:41:19.060But anyway, Democrats believed in 2016 that they had it.
01:41:24.100And so there wasn't a lot of subterfuge or all of this.
01:41:27.000Well, when they lost, Barack Obama in particular, the president, was very insulted because he thought that, you know, his two terms would carry over to a third Democratic term.
01:41:38.820And he booted Joe Biden off the ticket in place of Hillary Clinton.
01:41:42.680He thought Clinton would be a more formidable opponent to Trump.
01:41:46.680OK, so after Trump was elected in 16, then all kinds of terrible things started to come out about Russia and Putin trying to interfere or actually interfering with the election to throw it to Trump.
01:43:01.160OK. Charges against John Brennan, the former CIA director.
01:43:13.240OK, under Barack Obama are very powerful.
01:43:17.080I believe Mr. Brennan will be indicted by the federal government.
01:43:22.640OK, here is what the report says about Brennan.
01:43:28.200Quote, the director of the CIA ordered the post-election publication of 15 reports containing previously collected but unpublished intelligence, three of which were substandard, containing information that was unclear, of uncertain origin, potentially biased or implausible.
01:43:49.240And those became foundational sources for the intelligence community assessment judgments that Putin preferred Trump over Clinton.
01:44:00.640The ICA misrepresented the ICA misrepresented those reports as reliable, without mentioning their significant underlying flaws.
01:44:09.600That was under the direction of John Brennan.
01:44:30.100Today's indictment reflects this Department of Justice's commitment to holding those who abuse positions of power accountable for misleading the American people.
01:44:42.160We will follow the facts in this case.
01:44:44.820And, you know, let's take this time right now to remind you of some of the facts in this case.
01:44:50.300On this program, we have spent years uncovering, unpeeling every layer of the onion of the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax and the lie.
01:45:10.080Small ensemble cast, some of which will be joining us tonight, to get to the truth.
01:45:14.400We have been vindicated by the Horowitz Report, the Durham Report, over and over again, newly declassified information.
01:45:20.740But as alleged in this indictment, count one, on September the 30th, 2020, nearly five years ago,
01:45:25.920during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, former FBI Director James Comey denied when asked that he had authorized the release of classified information to the news media
01:45:33.860by allowing a friend and a colleague of his to be cited as an anonymous source.
01:45:38.340Take a look at what Comey said that day.