The EdgeStream with Edgy D - Philippe Rushton vs David Suzuki on Race & IQ - Classic Edgy Debates

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00:35:36.800 Here's a little clip.

00:35:37.800 from that documentary.

00:35:38.800 And we will be here.

00:35:40.800 shortly.

00:35:41.800 Thank you.

00:36:10.800 And of course,

00:36:12.800 And of course,

00:36:13.800 and of course,

00:36:14.800 and of course,

00:36:15.800 and of course,

00:36:17.800 saying,

00:36:19.800 you know,

00:36:20.800 and the fact that,

00:36:21.800 you know,

00:36:23.800 you know,

00:36:24.800 you know,

00:36:25.800 you know,

00:36:26.800 you know,

00:36:27.800 you know,

00:36:29.800 you know,

00:36:30.800 you know,

00:36:31.800 you know,

00:36:33.800 you know,

00:36:34.800 you know,

00:36:40.800 you know,

00:36:42.800 that comes with being on that pedestal, being met.

00:36:48.080 Imagine having to answer to this woman

00:36:50.380 after you literally invented or, sorry, discovered DNA.

00:36:57.300 Well, that's just the state of things now.

00:37:00.420 Now, there are a few other chads of history,

00:37:04.140 one being William Shockley.

00:37:06.860 So this guy also won a Nobel Prize.

00:37:09.020 He invented, I think, the transistor, the semiconductor.

00:37:17.340 He won a Nobel Prize in physics for his research on semiconductors

00:37:23.000 and the discovery of the transistor.

00:37:27.780 But after this and starting a huge boom in Silicon Valley,

00:37:31.960 he dedicated most of his life to eugenicist views

00:37:36.940 and views that they obviously call racist.

00:37:40.980 And one of his finer moments is

00:37:43.820 him getting some honorary degrees revoked

00:37:48.340 because he proposed that individuals with IQs below 100

00:37:52.860 could be paid to undergo voluntary sterilization,

00:37:57.400 $1,000 for each of their IQ points under 100.

00:38:02.620 That's pretty fucking funny.

00:38:07.140 I don't know what you guys think.

00:38:09.460 Is that a good idea?

00:38:12.120 Hey, a lot of people don't want to have kids nowadays anyways.

00:38:17.120 Like, and if somebody with an 80 IQ could get $20,000 right at the gate,

00:38:22.300 they weren't going to have any kids anyways.

00:38:24.560 Or if they were going to have kids,

00:38:26.360 it was going to be because they don't know how to pull out

00:38:28.680 or they're just so promiscuous that they can't help but have illegitimate children

00:38:33.220 that they don't even look after.

00:38:35.240 Hell, give them $20,000 and they're out of the gene pool.

00:38:40.100 I don't know how I feel about this necessarily.

00:38:45.060 I could see this easily being abused.

00:38:47.280 You'd have to figure out a way to make sure that people aren't cheating the IQ test.

00:38:51.320 Like, you'd have a lot of people with 70, 60 IQs

00:38:55.120 who just don't want to have children

00:38:58.020 but they want to get a big paycheck, right?

00:39:01.020 That's $30,000, $40,000 right there.

00:39:04.380 I don't know.

00:39:04.860 What do you guys think?

00:39:06.040 One, in the chat, that's a good idea.

00:39:08.540 Two, not a good idea.

00:39:10.460 One, it's a good idea to pay people $1,000

00:39:13.540 for every IQ point under 100

00:39:16.360 in order to get voluntarily sterilized.

00:39:20.540 Or two, that's a bad idea.

00:39:31.760 I don't know.

00:39:32.360 We'll see what you guys say.

00:39:33.380 But that's another one of the chads

00:39:35.720 of evolutionary biology history.

00:39:40.980 There's a huge page about this on Wikipedia.

00:39:44.140 History of the Race and Intelligence Controversy.

00:39:47.160 You could read a lot about it here.

00:39:48.900 Except you're going to get very biased,

00:39:51.820 very skewed information

00:39:57.200 about how disproven and debunked all this stuff is.

00:40:02.880 Because obviously Wikipedia is mainstream

00:40:05.240 and it has to go off of all the mainstream articles

00:40:08.180 and organizations.

00:40:10.680 But I saw this on Twitter yesterday, actually,

00:40:13.420 from iHypocrite shows,

00:40:17.100 Wikipedia expert who suppresses a genetic link

00:40:19.920 between race and intelligence

00:40:21.180 is actually a liberal arts assistant professor.

00:40:25.940 So it says this guy masquerades as an expert

00:40:28.580 in genetics and intelligence on Wikipedia

00:40:30.660 and he removes all research suggesting

00:40:33.360 disparities in intelligence between ethnic groups

00:40:35.700 are genetic.

00:40:36.680 In real life, he is an Antifa activist

00:40:38.420 and a part-time liberal arts assistant professor

00:40:41.900 in, of course, Portland.

00:40:46.020 There you have it.

00:40:47.080 These are the people who are molding

00:40:48.560 what everyone sees on the internet.

00:40:50.880 And then anyone could just go on Wikipedia

00:40:53.240 and say,

00:40:53.960 Oh, look!

00:40:55.420 See?

00:40:55.840 It says that it's debunked over here!

00:40:58.020 And this is the guy

00:40:59.260 where they're getting their information from.

00:41:03.800 Very intellectual.

00:41:05.320 Much science.

00:41:06.160 I think it's about time

00:41:09.840 we got into the debate now.

00:41:11.820 Let's get into the meat of this broadcast.

00:41:18.900 Here we have it.

00:41:19.800 This is surprisingly still on YouTube

00:41:21.840 after 12 years.

00:41:23.600 But it's kind of hard to find.

00:41:25.120 I think it's been shadow banned.

00:41:29.100 But anyways, let's get into it.

00:41:30.720 It's kind of long,

00:41:37.320 but I'm going to put it on 1.25x speed.

00:41:40.520 Should still be pretty easy to follow along with.

00:41:55.120 So, yes.

00:41:56.100 February 8th, 1989.

00:41:58.360 David Suzuki and Philip Rushton

00:42:00.300 in London, Ontario,

00:42:02.140 University of Western Ontario.

00:42:11.000 Psychology professor Philip Rushton

00:42:12.540 unleashed a storm of controversy

00:42:13.980 with his theories on racial differences.

00:42:15.900 In its simplest terms,

00:42:16.780 Rushton asserts that genetics

00:42:17.940 are as important as environment

00:42:19.340 in determining intelligence and personality.

00:42:21.620 He claims that his research

00:42:22.680 proves that whites

00:42:23.400 are genetically superior to blacks

00:42:24.800 and that Orientals

00:42:25.880 are superior to both whites and blacks.

00:42:28.220 TV London is presenting this debate

00:42:29.460 between Rushton

00:42:30.060 and Canadian geneticist David Suzuki

00:42:31.520 because of the intense discussion

00:42:33.400 that the subject has caused nationally.

00:42:35.740 In airing the debate live, however,

00:42:37.020 we do make the disclaimer

00:42:37.980 that the views being offered

00:42:39.200 are those of the participants

00:42:40.320 and not necessarily those of TV London.

00:42:42.680 Now, our reporter Bob Smith

00:42:43.740 is standing by.

00:42:44.520 Bob, what's the situation there now

00:42:45.800 at Alumni Hall?

00:42:46.420 I don't think I need to tell you

00:42:47.740 what the situation is.

00:42:48.480 You can see and hear

00:42:49.180 what the situation is

00:42:49.940 here in front of Alumni Hall tonight.

00:42:51.300 This protest started

00:42:52.560 well over an hour ago.

00:42:53.940 These are...

00:42:54.280 That's what we need to see again.

00:42:56.720 Like, I remember back in 2016

00:42:58.460 when I first really started

00:42:59.700 getting into politics,

00:43:01.980 Milo Yiannopoulos, of all people,

00:43:03.640 not the greatest example

00:43:04.820 of a scholar,

00:43:05.700 but he did have

00:43:07.620 his Dangerous Faggot Tour

00:43:08.980 and although it was more like

00:43:10.600 a slightly political comedy tour

00:43:13.120 that was meant to be offensive,

00:43:15.200 he still did have

00:43:16.860 some good conversations

00:43:17.920 and there was tons of controversies.

00:43:21.000 You never knew

00:43:21.580 when somebody was going to

00:43:22.760 spurg or chimp out in the crowd.

00:43:25.160 It was a fucking epic time

00:43:27.120 for university debates

00:43:29.180 and these kinds of events

00:43:30.400 and you wouldn't know

00:43:31.720 if they were going to get

00:43:32.360 shut down or not.

00:43:33.400 But, for the most part,

00:43:35.560 a lot of these events

00:43:36.500 went through.

00:43:38.000 Now, this does not happen anymore

00:43:40.120 and obviously

00:43:42.580 these controversial questions

00:43:45.940 are just getting

00:43:46.980 completely stamped out

00:43:48.860 and it's an absolute shame.

00:43:51.600 Do you have any concerns

00:43:52.660 about trying to do that job?

00:43:54.280 Hopefully no.

00:43:55.100 People here lined up

00:43:56.020 a long time

00:43:56.560 in order to get a seat.

00:43:58.380 They're all students

00:43:59.380 who are here interested

00:44:00.440 in hearing what Dr. Rushton

00:44:02.180 and Dr. Suzuki have to say.

00:44:03.400 Helena Handbasket says,

00:44:06.020 was Trigglypuff's mom there?

00:44:08.900 That's good.

00:44:11.300 Obviously there's going to be

00:44:12.200 the odd heckle

00:44:12.800 but beyond that

00:44:13.800 I think people are going

00:44:14.440 to be quiet

00:44:14.920 and I'm hoping people

00:44:15.760 are going to be quiet

00:44:16.320 in order for the debate

00:44:17.300 to take place.

00:44:18.300 If we have an event

00:44:18.980 such that people are making

00:44:20.280 so much noise

00:44:20.840 that it cannot continue

00:44:21.720 we're going to have to

00:44:22.360 stop the debate

00:44:22.840 until it quiets down

00:44:23.880 and that's the only choice

00:44:24.580 we have.

00:44:25.320 Do you have any concerns

00:44:25.900 about anybody crashing

00:44:26.780 the event?

00:44:27.400 People who don't have tickets?

00:44:28.300 Perhaps some of the white supremacists

00:44:29.340 you mentioned a moment ago.

00:44:30.100 No, we've got fairly tight security

00:44:31.640 Look how many people

00:44:33.100 are interested

00:44:33.840 in something like this.

00:44:35.200 I believe they said

00:44:35.940 2,000 people in attendance

00:44:37.580 plus like 100 or 200

00:44:39.420 extra seats

00:44:40.240 for journalists and media.

00:44:41.980 People want to see

00:44:42.940 these things

00:44:43.580 but they just won't

00:44:44.440 allow it to happen

00:44:45.280 and the people

00:44:46.340 who are in charge

00:44:47.140 know how much

00:44:48.220 people would gravitate

00:44:49.840 towards these

00:44:50.660 controversial questions

00:44:51.800 that actually explain

00:44:53.060 the things that

00:44:53.980 you know

00:44:54.640 people know

00:44:55.280 in the back of their head

00:44:56.160 they know

00:44:56.960 with their cognitive dissonance

00:44:58.440 that all the explanations

00:44:59.840 that they've been given

00:45:00.820 there's something off

00:45:02.200 about them

00:45:02.600 they don't actually make sense

00:45:03.880 they're not producing

00:45:04.880 any results

00:45:05.620 so they definitely

00:45:07.300 want to stamp this out

00:45:08.440 and make people scared

00:45:10.080 to even talk about it.

00:45:11.620 I'm worried about that

00:45:12.080 the groups that I do know

00:45:13.440 that are demonstrating

00:45:13.980 are boycotting the event

00:45:14.860 they've said that

00:45:15.320 it shouldn't be going on

00:45:16.120 and because of that

00:45:16.600 they're not going to be

00:45:17.120 coming inside

00:45:17.520 they have no interest

00:45:18.120 in coming inside

00:45:18.660 I really don't have

00:45:19.740 much worries about that.

00:45:20.860 At the moment

00:45:21.400 my watch says about

00:45:22.240 8.12, 8.13

00:45:23.020 what's the best guess

00:45:24.320 as to when this event

00:45:24.940 might begin?

00:45:25.560 I think we should be

00:45:26.120 starting in the next

00:45:26.600 3 or 4 minutes

00:45:27.160 It seems like

00:45:29.620 a bunch of people

00:45:30.900 are writing one

00:45:31.720 in the chat

00:45:32.320 saying that

00:45:33.200 that they think

00:45:36.260 it's a good idea

00:45:37.040 the $1,000

00:45:38.140 per every IQ point

00:45:39.820 below 100

00:45:40.740 yeah and it's

00:45:41.860 self-selecting

00:45:42.600 like it's

00:45:43.020 it's voluntary

00:45:43.740 I could see how

00:45:44.900 that could be abused

00:45:45.960 in that

00:45:46.820 you know

00:45:47.500 people who are

00:45:48.220 forced into poverty

00:45:49.260 how

00:45:50.460 you know

00:45:51.240 they may feel like

00:45:52.900 it's their only option

00:45:53.860 and then therefore

00:45:54.700 they sterilize themselves

00:45:56.040 based on their situation

00:45:58.120 but should they be

00:45:59.180 having kids anyways

00:46:00.140 if they can't afford

00:46:01.200 kids to the point

00:46:02.840 where they need

00:46:03.560 that extra

00:46:04.680 $10,000 or $20,000

00:46:06.300 so much

00:46:07.240 no

00:46:08.220 so I'd say

00:46:09.400 one

00:46:09.740 one for sure

00:46:10.780 what will the format

00:46:12.020 be tonight

00:46:12.460 the format will be

00:46:13.740 first of all

00:46:14.240 Dr. Russian will be

00:46:15.680 speaking for 20 minutes

00:46:16.440 and Dr. Suzuki will

00:46:17.520 speak for 20 minutes

00:46:18.160 and then they'll both

00:46:18.800 have a rebuttal period

00:46:19.460 of 10 minutes each

00:46:20.180 and after that

00:46:21.260 after Dr. Suzuki

00:46:22.460 gives his rebuttal

00:46:23.100 then we'll move

00:46:23.480 to question period

00:46:24.140 our members of the audience

00:46:25.100 can ask questions

00:46:25.820 at any of the four

00:46:26.580 floor mics here

00:46:27.340 sorry it's gonna get

00:46:29.740 their talking

00:46:30.360 will get slower

00:46:31.300 once the presentation

00:46:33.260 starts

00:46:33.800 I'm not sure

00:46:35.060 what that applause

00:46:35.460 was for either

00:46:35.920 but it was rather

00:46:36.480 strong

00:46:37.340 alright Al

00:46:38.020 I think that's it

00:46:38.440 from here

00:46:38.880 I don't know if you

00:46:39.700 have any questions

00:46:40.120 you'd like to ask

00:46:40.640 at this point

00:46:41.120 clarify one thing

00:46:43.140 for me Bob

00:46:43.600 the delay there tonight

00:46:44.600 is it simply a case

00:46:45.620 where the crowd

00:46:46.340 is so large

00:46:47.380 it's taken them a while

00:46:48.080 to get in the gates

00:46:49.140 to get in and get their seats

00:46:50.180 maybe you can answer that

00:46:51.580 Michael

00:46:51.780 is the delay

00:46:52.580 because the crowd

00:46:53.300 was so large

00:46:53.940 that it couldn't

00:46:54.760 get itself into the building

00:46:55.600 essentially yes

00:46:56.360 because of the security

00:46:57.220 was so tight

00:46:57.720 we could only let people

00:46:58.500 in at a slow rate

00:46:59.980 we didn't expect it

00:47:00.780 to take this long

00:47:01.380 when we saw the length

00:47:02.120 of the line

00:47:02.440 we even opened the doors

00:47:03.220 10 minutes earlier

00:47:03.800 than we planned originally

00:47:04.640 and the delay is

00:47:05.520 because people weren't inside

00:47:06.220 but it appears

00:47:06.820 that everybody is inside now

00:47:07.780 and I think

00:47:08.040 wow look at the demographics

00:47:09.700 of that crowd there too

00:47:11.040 you'll see throughout

00:47:12.660 the debate

00:47:13.120 that they point the camera

00:47:14.260 a lot at certain types

00:47:16.040 of people

00:47:16.520 to see the reaction

00:47:17.720 gets pretty funny

00:47:19.880 probably get started

00:47:20.380 in a few minutes

00:47:20.980 in terms of security

00:47:22.080 I know that some time

00:47:23.200 was spent trying to develop

00:47:23.980 a security plan here

00:47:24.980 even though there was

00:47:26.420 only a short period

00:47:27.140 of time to do that

00:47:27.700 the things seem to be

00:47:28.580 coming off the way

00:47:29.040 you'd hope they would

00:47:29.620 in terms of the number

00:47:30.420 of security people

00:47:31.020 and their positions

00:47:31.640 in the building

00:47:32.100 so far

00:47:32.680 prior to this evening

00:47:35.220 my understanding is

00:47:36.220 that David Suzuki

00:47:37.020 flew into London

00:47:38.640 just a little over

00:47:39.140 an hour ago

00:47:39.680 he was a last minute

00:47:40.880 thing really

00:47:41.400 he would have preferred

00:47:42.040 not to have been

00:47:42.680 the person doing

00:47:43.280 this debate tonight

00:47:44.000 he supplied the

00:47:45.300 students council

00:47:45.860 with a list of

00:47:46.280 several other names

00:47:46.840 of people he thought

00:47:47.360 might be better people

00:47:48.320 to do the debate

00:47:48.940 more knowledgeable

00:47:49.580 in the field

00:47:50.120 but for one reason

00:47:51.360 or another

00:47:51.540 they couldn't make it

00:47:52.240 and so he felt

00:47:52.700 that somebody had to do this

00:47:53.500 because they're all cowards

00:47:54.620 or they're afraid

00:47:56.400 that if they didn't

00:47:57.240 do well enough

00:47:58.040 well they're still

00:47:58.800 cowards

00:47:59.240 but afraid that

00:48:00.320 if they don't do

00:48:01.180 well enough

00:48:01.780 that they're going

00:48:03.480 to be responsible

00:48:05.300 for allowing these

00:48:06.640 ideas to get out

00:48:07.500 there more

00:48:08.000 which they probably

00:48:10.520 wouldn't do very well

00:48:11.460 because this guy

00:48:12.020 knows what he's

00:48:12.480 talking about

00:48:13.000 or maybe he doesn't

00:48:16.140 they certainly

00:48:17.840 didn't prove him wrong

00:48:18.840 take him on

00:48:19.440 and if it feels

00:48:20.320 something like a

00:48:20.800 prize fight here

00:48:21.340 well maybe it is

00:48:22.100 there are a couple

00:48:22.480 of heavyweights

00:48:22.920 and I think

00:48:23.820 everybody's waiting

00:48:24.540 for this thing

00:48:24.840 to get underway

00:48:25.260 can you get any

00:48:26.020 kind of a feeling

00:48:26.460 there of how many

00:48:26.980 people are actually

00:48:27.500 from the university

00:48:28.160 there are 2,000

00:48:29.360 Professor Rushman

00:48:30.220 is going to suffer

00:48:30.660 a broken nose

00:48:31.200 I think they're promising

00:48:31.940 but I think there's

00:48:32.400 a pretty good indication

00:48:32.940 no chairs will be

00:48:33.600 thrown tonight

00:48:34.000 I don't think

00:48:34.500 Professor Rushman

00:48:35.340 is going to suffer

00:48:35.800 a broken nose

00:48:36.340 but we certainly

00:48:37.240 have an awful lot

00:48:37.800 of media here

00:48:38.300 there are 2,000 seats

00:48:39.900 sold in alumni hall

00:48:41.200 and they put aside

00:48:41.780 another 300

00:48:42.400 for all the various

00:48:44.140 reporters from

00:48:44.820 across this country

00:48:46.140 this is where it's at

00:48:47.960 this is an academic event

00:48:49.920 this is hilarious

00:48:54.200 no

00:48:59.840 wait where's my

00:49:01.640 emergency meeting

00:49:04.440 emergency racism meeting

00:49:05.960 people are talking

00:49:07.240 about issues

00:49:08.440 alert

00:49:09.880 alert

00:49:10.620 let's go back down

00:49:13.200 now to Bob Smith

00:49:14.020 and the participants

00:49:14.760 taking the stage

00:49:15.320 at alumni hall

00:49:15.940 get out the therapy dogs

00:49:17.900 the event is about

00:49:18.780 to begin

00:49:19.100 I'll step aside

00:49:19.760 good evening

00:49:27.860 my name is Chris Gibbs

00:49:28.840 and I'm the

00:49:29.160 international student

00:49:29.740 commissioner

00:49:30.060 on behalf of the

00:49:31.020 international student

00:49:31.540 federation

00:49:31.980 and the university

00:49:32.500 student council

00:49:33.000 I'd like to welcome

00:49:33.580 you to tonight's debate

00:49:34.200 speaking first

00:49:35.440 in support of his

00:49:36.100 paper

00:49:36.360 evolutionary biology

00:49:37.180 and herbal traits

00:49:37.780 is a professor at

00:49:38.420 Western

00:49:38.640 he's first educated

00:49:40.080 at the university

00:49:40.480 of London

00:49:40.760 where he received

00:49:41.400 a bachelor of science

00:49:42.300 in 1970

00:49:42.900 and a phd

00:49:43.740 in 1973

00:49:44.420 he went on

00:49:45.380 to do postdoctoral

00:49:46.060 work at Oxford

00:49:46.680 and has since written

00:49:47.260 five books

00:49:47.820 and over a hundred

00:49:48.820 articles on the

00:49:49.360 evolutionary components

00:49:50.200 of developmental

00:49:51.260 personality

00:49:51.880 and social psychology

00:49:52.720 this year

00:49:53.720 he's a fellow

00:49:54.160 of the John Simon

00:49:54.840 Guggenheim Foundation

00:49:55.600 and is currently

00:49:56.100 writing a sixth book

00:49:56.920 Guggenheim

00:49:57.880 let's go

00:49:58.580 ladies and gentlemen

00:49:59.420 Dr. Philip Rushton

00:50:00.180 I too studied

00:50:01.720 I too studied

00:50:01.740 with Guggenheim

00:50:02.760 back in my days

00:50:04.080 at Western

00:50:04.620 speaking in opposition

00:50:08.480 to the report

00:50:09.080 is a Canadian

00:50:10.680 geneticist

00:50:11.080 who it is said

00:50:11.480 has done more

00:50:11.940 for the public

00:50:12.380 awareness of science

00:50:13.140 in Canada

00:50:13.520 than any other

00:50:14.020 he was educated

00:50:15.160 at the University

00:50:15.580 of Amherst

00:50:16.040 in Chicago

00:50:16.460 where he received

00:50:17.300 a phd in 1961

00:50:18.300 he went on

00:50:19.600 to receive

00:50:19.960 the Ciasse Memorial

00:50:21.440 Fellowship

00:50:21.820 for best young

00:50:22.360 Canadian scientists

00:50:23.000 in 1969

00:50:23.640 he has also received

00:50:25.200 the Royal Bank Award

00:50:25.960 and in 1986

00:50:26.560 the UNESCO

00:50:27.080 Kalinga Prize

00:50:27.660 for science writing

00:50:28.300 yeah Sean McCarney

00:50:29.320 is saying

00:50:29.740 still no idiots

00:50:30.940 protesting

00:50:31.640 well there are

00:50:32.340 idiots protesting

00:50:33.220 but they're not

00:50:34.020 pulling fire alarms

00:50:35.340 and that's a huge

00:50:36.540 bonus

00:50:38.020 just people

00:50:38.860 willing to listen

00:50:39.600 yep

00:50:41.440 times have changed

00:50:43.080 yeah Lee is saying

00:50:48.120 they pulled the

00:50:48.880 fire alarm trick

00:50:49.780 at Laurier

00:50:50.360 when Faith Goldie

00:50:51.220 was there

00:50:51.660 I remember that

00:50:53.300 timekeeping

00:51:03.920 timekeeping

00:51:05.960 now skip to the

00:51:06.940 start of the

00:51:07.420 debate

00:51:07.720 and this seems

00:51:15.500 to me like

00:51:16.200 one of the best

00:51:17.200 ways a debate

00:51:17.920 can be done

00:51:18.560 like you'll give

00:51:19.640 the format in a

00:51:20.420 second but none

00:51:21.260 of this yelling

00:51:21.980 over each other

00:51:22.680 constantly

00:51:23.200 like people

00:51:23.740 get their

00:51:24.120 chance to speak

00:51:24.860 and then they

00:51:25.300 get their

00:51:25.560 chance to rebuttal

00:51:26.400 we need more

00:51:27.280 of that

00:51:27.740 a lot of you

00:51:28.800 have very strong

00:51:29.320 feelings about

00:51:30.540 things that are

00:51:31.100 going to be said

00:51:31.560 tonight

00:51:31.820 I would ask you

00:51:32.620 if you could

00:51:32.960 please remain

00:51:33.400 quiet while the

00:51:34.200 debaters are

00:51:34.680 speaking

00:51:35.060 especially for the

00:51:37.180 sake of the

00:51:37.660 other people in

00:51:38.080 the audience

00:51:38.360 and for the

00:51:38.900 sake of the

00:51:39.140 people up here

00:51:39.640 without any

00:51:40.900 further ado

00:51:41.380 I would like

00:51:42.100 now to call

00:51:42.540 upon Professor

00:51:43.220 Philip Rushton

00:51:43.780 to deliver his

00:51:44.820 opening remarks

00:51:45.320 reminding him that

00:51:45.740 he has 20

00:51:46.060 minutes in which

00:51:46.420 to do so

00:51:46.820 in many ways

00:52:01.720 it would have

00:52:02.520 been much

00:52:03.000 better if

00:52:04.040 mother nature

00:52:04.580 had made

00:52:05.080 people genetically

00:52:06.220 all the same

00:52:07.420 cooperation would

00:52:11.020 be easier

00:52:11.480 and we could

00:52:12.300 design just

00:52:12.960 one type of

00:52:13.480 society that

00:52:14.600 would fit

00:52:15.000 everybody

00:52:15.520 however we

00:52:16.820 are not all

00:52:17.460 the same

00:52:17.900 even children

00:52:19.320 within the same

00:52:19.920 family differ

00:52:20.620 from each other

00:52:21.300 genetically

00:52:21.960 if we examine

00:52:23.840 how wide the

00:52:24.540 differences are

00:52:25.240 even between

00:52:26.640 brothers and

00:52:27.140 sisters who

00:52:28.100 share the same

00:52:28.640 food, watch

00:52:29.580 the same TV, go

00:52:30.980 to the same

00:52:31.380 schools and have

00:52:32.460 the same parents

00:52:33.220 how much more

00:52:34.680 different from

00:52:35.400 each other

00:52:35.800 must we expect

00:52:36.920 the human races

00:52:37.860 to be

00:52:38.280 I did not

00:52:40.160 always believe

00:52:40.700 that this was

00:52:41.460 the case

00:52:41.940 ten years ago

00:52:43.640 I would have

00:52:44.660 said that any

00:52:45.220 differences which

00:52:45.960 existed would

00:52:47.040 almost certainly

00:52:47.620 have been

00:52:48.020 primarily

00:52:48.500 environmental

00:52:49.380 in origin

00:52:50.500 however

00:52:52.320 I have been

00:52:53.560 persuaded

00:52:54.000 by data

00:52:55.240 and findings

00:52:56.720 from numerous

00:52:57.220 sources

00:52:57.600 that the races

00:52:58.860 do differ

00:52:59.640 genetically

00:53:00.500 in the mechanisms

00:53:02.180 underlying their

00:53:03.120 behavior

00:53:03.460 in this talk

00:53:05.200 I would like

00:53:05.860 to share

00:53:06.280 some of this

00:53:07.100 information with

00:53:07.780 you

00:53:07.980 there are three

00:53:10.020 quite separate

00:53:10.720 questions that

00:53:11.740 have to be kept

00:53:12.300 in mind

00:53:12.840 first

00:53:14.020 what exactly

00:53:15.020 are the

00:53:15.880 differences

00:53:16.200 between the

00:53:17.020 races

00:53:17.260 second

00:53:18.700 are the

00:53:19.600 differences

00:53:19.920 due partly

00:53:20.860 to genetic

00:53:21.680 factors

00:53:22.220 third

00:53:23.700 how

00:53:24.640 could genetically

00:53:25.520 based differences

00:53:26.300 between the

00:53:26.840 races

00:53:27.140 have arisen

00:53:28.260 through evolution

00:53:29.280 first then

00:53:31.260 let us

00:53:31.820 overview the

00:53:32.260 findings

00:53:32.680 on racial

00:53:33.920 differences

00:53:34.260 in behavior

00:53:35.000 I have

00:53:36.700 observed

00:53:37.040 that the

00:53:37.680 order

00:53:38.040 in which

00:53:39.100 the races

00:53:39.600 currently

00:53:40.280 score

00:53:40.800 on

00:53:41.260 okay

00:53:42.220 let's hear

00:53:42.840 it

00:53:43.060 let's hear

00:53:43.740 the rankings

00:53:44.480 whites on top

00:53:46.900 whites on top

00:53:47.720 or on measures

00:53:48.540 of educational

00:53:49.180 achievement

00:53:49.700 or on measures

00:53:50.940 of occupational

00:53:51.620 achievement

00:53:52.220 that is

00:53:53.260 orientals

00:53:54.220 higher than

00:53:55.100 caucasians

00:53:55.720 and caucasians

00:53:56.760 higher than

00:53:57.340 blacks

00:53:57.540 is matched

00:53:59.020 by the same

00:53:59.880 rank order

00:54:00.440 on over

00:54:01.460 60

00:54:02.080 other

00:54:02.820 psychological

00:54:03.720 behavioral

00:54:04.700 and physiological

00:54:05.880 measures

00:54:06.480 as well as

00:54:07.700 on estimates

00:54:08.340 of genetic

00:54:09.080 similarity

00:54:09.640 let us begin

00:54:11.560 at the beginning

00:54:12.080 at the moment

00:54:13.020 of conception

00:54:13.560 the average

00:54:15.120 woman produces

00:54:15.800 one egg

00:54:16.980 every 28 days

00:54:18.360 okay now we're

00:54:19.300 talking about

00:54:19.880 twins

00:54:20.280 the average

00:54:22.100 woman produces

00:54:22.820 one egg

00:54:23.980 every 28 days

00:54:25.340 in the middle

00:54:25.840 of the menstrual cycle

00:54:26.740 some women however

00:54:28.820 produce two eggs

00:54:29.980 in a cycle

00:54:30.780 an event which

00:54:32.140 often results

00:54:32.760 in the production

00:54:33.380 of twins

00:54:33.960 the races differ

00:54:35.980 in the rate

00:54:36.980 at which they

00:54:37.560 produce such eggs

00:54:38.760 among orientals

00:54:40.980 the frequency

00:54:41.960 of twins

00:54:42.440 in every

00:54:43.620 1,000 births

00:54:45.040 is less than

00:54:45.680 four

00:54:46.020 among caucasians

00:54:47.840 the rate

00:54:48.660 is eight

00:54:49.300 per thousand

00:54:50.040 and among blacks

00:54:51.560 the figure

00:54:52.240 is more than

00:54:52.840 16

00:54:53.420 per thousand

00:54:54.400 with some

00:54:55.680 african populations

00:54:56.640 having twin

00:54:57.400 frequencies

00:54:57.840 of 57

00:54:59.140 per thousand

00:54:59.980 note that

00:55:02.120 caucasians

00:55:02.780 fall between

00:55:04.300 oriental

00:55:05.120 and black

00:55:05.500 populations

00:55:06.020 and that these

00:55:07.000 figures are to be

00:55:07.600 found from

00:55:08.740 very many

00:55:09.460 different countries

00:55:10.360 the possible

00:55:12.360 significance

00:55:12.840 of the racial

00:55:13.960 differences in

00:55:14.520 egg production

00:55:15.020 i will return

00:55:16.040 to later

00:55:16.560 the speed

00:55:18.580 with which the

00:55:19.000 races mature

00:55:19.700 physically

00:55:20.400 is also a

00:55:21.720 source of

00:55:22.060 differentiation

00:55:22.500 with black

00:55:24.040 children being

00:55:24.600 relatively fast

00:55:25.560 maturers

00:55:26.020 and oriental

00:55:27.320 children

00:55:27.720 slow maturers

00:55:29.040 relative to

00:55:30.140 caucasian

00:55:30.640 children

00:55:30.980 in the united

00:55:32.780 states

00:55:33.260 black babies

00:55:34.100 have a shorter

00:55:34.620 gestation period

00:55:35.520 than white

00:55:35.900 babies

00:55:36.320 by week 39

00:55:37.980 51 percent

00:55:39.640 of black

00:55:40.000 children have

00:55:40.520 been born

00:55:41.040 while the

00:55:41.980 figure for whites

00:55:42.700 is 33 percent

00:55:44.240 similar results

00:55:45.860 have been obtained

00:55:46.480 in europe

00:55:47.340 comparing women

00:55:48.420 of european

00:55:49.040 ancestry

00:55:49.480 with black

00:55:50.900 women from

00:55:51.460 africa

00:55:51.840 motor development

00:55:54.220 over the first

00:55:55.420 three years

00:55:56.000 also differentiates

00:55:57.380 the races

00:55:57.860 on many

00:55:58.840 well standardized

00:55:59.960 tests

00:56:00.700 so blacks have

00:56:03.440 the most rate

00:56:04.420 of twins

00:56:04.960 by far more

00:56:05.980 than asians

00:56:07.220 and they

00:56:08.800 mature a lot

00:56:09.720 quicker

00:56:10.120 however you

00:56:12.440 can see that

00:56:12.960 that could come

00:56:13.520 at disadvantages

00:56:14.480 evolutionarily

00:56:15.520 speaking

00:56:16.000 with measures

00:56:17.180 made from

00:56:17.600 birth to

00:56:18.300 12 months

00:56:18.940 in coordination

00:56:19.940 and headlifting

00:56:21.160 in muscular

00:56:22.360 strength

00:56:22.860 and rolling

00:56:23.560 over

00:56:23.880 and at 15

00:56:25.300 to 20 months

00:56:26.040 in the ability

00:56:26.860 to put on

00:56:27.400 clothing

00:56:27.760 thus oriental

00:56:29.800 children typically

00:56:30.780 don't walk

00:56:31.400 until 13 months

00:56:32.460 compared to 12

00:56:33.580 months for white

00:56:34.140 children

00:56:34.480 and 11 months

00:56:35.840 for black

00:56:36.500 children

00:56:36.840 other life cycle

00:56:38.720 traits

00:56:39.160 including longevity

00:56:40.340 show a similar

00:56:41.840 set of differences

00:56:42.700 between the three

00:56:43.780 populations

00:56:44.360 in personality

00:56:47.220 and temperament

00:56:48.040 the data

00:56:49.060 the data show

00:56:49.460 that across

00:56:50.420 ages

00:56:50.840 across traits

00:56:52.020 and across

00:56:52.900 methods

00:56:53.360 that in terms

00:56:54.940 of uninhibited

00:56:55.720 temperament

00:56:56.300 blacks are more

00:56:57.840 uninhibited

00:56:58.440 than caucasians

00:56:59.480 and caucasians

00:57:00.680 are more uninhibited

00:57:02.160 than orientals

00:57:03.140 with infants

00:57:04.520 and young children

00:57:05.260 observer ratings

00:57:06.500 are the main

00:57:07.280 method employed

00:57:08.000 whereas with adults

00:57:09.760 the use of standardized

00:57:10.680 tests

00:57:11.320 are more frequent

00:57:12.720 for example

00:57:13.840 a study carried

00:57:14.460 out

00:57:14.760 with 825

00:57:16.100 4-6 year olds

00:57:17.540 in quebec

00:57:17.940 preschoolers

00:57:18.640 found that

00:57:19.880 teachers

00:57:20.300 consistently reported

00:57:21.940 better social

00:57:22.480 adjustment

00:57:22.920 and less

00:57:23.940 hostility

00:57:24.520 aggression

00:57:24.960 from orientals

00:57:26.440 than from

00:57:27.200 caucasians

00:57:27.900 and from

00:57:29.540 caucasians

00:57:30.140 than from

00:57:30.700 black children

00:57:31.240 with adults

00:57:34.220 here we go

00:57:34.740 we got our

00:57:35.140 first person

00:57:35.780 getting booted

00:57:36.440 out

00:57:36.760 pretty pathetic

00:57:38.420 heckle

00:57:38.920 he didn't even

00:57:39.380 make any noise

00:57:40.260 well whatever

00:57:41.560 caucasians

00:57:42.100 i'm not gonna

00:57:43.060 stop very often

00:57:44.020 at least for this

00:57:44.800 part because

00:57:45.300 he's just

00:57:45.740 spitting straight

00:57:46.580 facts and i

00:57:47.420 don't want to

00:57:47.800 really interrupt

00:57:48.400 the flow of it

00:57:49.240 but there'll be

00:57:50.220 a lot of places

00:57:50.940 where i could

00:57:51.360 stop a bit

00:57:53.120 more into

00:57:53.600 this whole debate

00:57:54.480 than from

00:57:55.320 black children

00:57:55.860 with adults

00:57:58.840 i have recently

00:58:00.040 averaged the

00:58:00.700 results from

00:58:01.260 25 countries

00:58:02.300 using a well-known

00:58:03.900 personality

00:58:04.560 questionnaire

00:58:05.100 and found

00:58:06.800 that 8 oriental

00:58:07.920 samples

00:58:08.400 with a sample

00:58:09.460 size of over

00:58:10.040 4,000

00:58:10.660 were less

00:58:11.600 sociable

00:58:12.020 and more

00:58:12.680 anxious

00:58:13.060 than 30

00:58:14.020 caucasian

00:58:14.560 samples

00:58:15.100 with a sample

00:58:16.160 size of

00:58:16.600 20,000

00:58:17.240 who were less

00:58:18.260 sociable

00:58:18.680 and more

00:58:19.480 anxious

00:58:19.880 than 4

00:58:20.800 african

00:58:21.260 samples

00:58:21.780 with a sample

00:58:23.000 size of

00:58:23.660 2,000

00:58:24.240 the same

00:58:26.460 racial pattern

00:58:27.180 of whites

00:58:27.920 being between

00:58:28.680 orientals and

00:58:29.380 blacks is also

00:58:30.380 to be found

00:58:30.940 with reproductive

00:58:31.720 or sexual

00:58:32.820 restraint

00:58:33.460 surveys of the

00:58:35.340 world literature

00:58:35.940 show that orientals

00:58:37.420 are the most

00:58:38.020 restrained

00:58:38.680 whether measured

00:58:39.820 by intercourse

00:58:40.720 frequencies

00:58:41.380 premarital

00:58:42.460 marital

00:58:42.980 or extramarital

00:58:43.900 reproductive

00:58:44.960 speed

00:58:45.700 age at first

00:58:46.860 intercourse

00:58:47.380 age at first

00:58:48.200 pregnancy

00:58:48.620 or number

00:58:49.480 of pregnancies

00:58:50.040 per unit

00:58:50.460 of time

00:58:50.880 primary sexual

00:58:52.520 characteristics

00:58:53.240 secondary sexual

00:58:54.740 characteristics

00:58:55.320 or biologic

00:58:56.820 control of

00:58:57.400 behavior

00:58:57.800 concomitant

00:58:59.620 differences are

00:59:00.220 observed in

00:59:01.180 sexual attitudes

00:59:02.000 and in

00:59:03.420 sexually

00:59:03.700 transmitted

00:59:04.180 diseases

00:59:04.780 including

00:59:05.980 AIDS

00:59:06.360 in addition

00:59:08.660 social

00:59:09.540 organization

00:59:10.080 can be

00:59:10.440 studied

00:59:10.780 stable

00:59:12.080 social

00:59:12.420 organization

00:59:12.960 depends on

00:59:13.560 following rules

00:59:14.300 this can be

00:59:15.540 indexed by

00:59:16.080 marital

00:59:16.380 functioning

00:59:16.840 mental

00:59:17.500 durability

00:59:17.940 and law

00:59:19.120 abidingness

00:59:19.700 with respect to

00:59:20.980 crime for example

00:59:21.640 in both the

00:59:22.360 United States

00:59:22.960 and Western

00:59:23.700 Europe

00:59:23.980 race is one

00:59:24.740 of the best

00:59:25.060 predictors

00:59:25.520 and quite

00:59:26.100 possibly in

00:59:26.740 other parts

00:59:27.120 of the world

00:59:27.480 too

00:59:27.780 the Chinese

00:59:28.980 and Japanese

00:59:29.580 whether assessed

00:59:30.480 in their home

00:59:30.880 countries

00:59:31.280 North America

00:59:32.040 or the United

00:59:32.860 Kingdom

00:59:33.180 have a lower

00:59:33.920 incidence of

00:59:34.420 crime

00:59:34.760 than do

00:59:35.420 Europeans

00:59:35.880 African

00:59:37.240 descended people

00:59:37.980 while consisting

00:59:38.940 of less than

00:59:39.620 one eighth of

00:59:40.300 the population

00:59:40.840 of the United

00:59:41.760 States

00:59:42.200 or of London

00:59:43.220 England

00:59:43.560 currently account

00:59:44.620 for over 50%

00:59:45.620 of the crime

00:59:46.280 in both places

00:59:47.400 since about the

00:59:48.800 same proportion

00:59:49.380 of victims

00:59:49.960 say that their

00:59:51.120 assailant was

00:59:51.640 black

00:59:51.960 the arrest

00:59:53.020 statistics

00:59:53.560 cannot be blamed

00:59:54.580 entirely on

00:59:55.580 police prejudice

00:59:56.260 this morning

00:59:57.880 I read estimates

00:59:58.560 in the Globe

00:59:58.960 and Mail

00:59:59.260 so that's an

01:00:00.620 important thing

01:00:01.820 there

01:00:02.120 it does show

01:00:03.740 that the

01:00:04.380 that all the

01:00:06.560 explanations

01:00:07.180 that the

01:00:07.640 mainstream media

01:00:08.520 and academic

01:00:09.920 institutions have

01:00:11.240 you know

01:00:12.200 racism

01:00:13.300 police prejudice

01:00:14.500 all this stuff

01:00:15.740 if they take

01:00:17.180 this race and

01:00:18.080 IQ stuff out

01:00:18.840 of the picture

01:00:19.320 then there's

01:00:20.480 nowhere else to

01:00:21.060 look and they

01:00:21.720 always look there

01:00:22.620 and of course

01:00:23.920 they're going to

01:00:24.300 come up with

01:00:24.780 all these crazy

01:00:25.640 solutions

01:00:26.140 and end up

01:00:27.000 ultimately

01:00:27.740 hating white

01:00:28.420 people

01:00:28.800 that confirm

01:00:30.460 that these

01:00:30.780 figures appear

01:00:31.400 to apply to

01:00:32.220 Canada

01:00:32.500 or at least

01:00:33.020 Toronto

01:00:33.360 blacks currently

01:00:34.780 appear to make

01:00:35.440 up between

01:00:35.960 2 and 5%

01:00:37.440 of Toronto's

01:00:38.340 population

01:00:38.820 and they also

01:00:40.100 appear to be

01:00:40.620 responsible

01:00:41.020 for

01:00:41.640 interesting

01:00:42.560 this is like

01:00:43.340 Canada's version

01:00:44.280 of 1350

01:00:45.640 and 5%

01:00:47.440 of Toronto's

01:00:48.340 population

01:00:48.800 and they also

01:00:50.100 appear to be

01:00:50.600 responsible

01:00:51.020 for between

01:00:51.900 32 and 40%

01:00:53.460 of Toronto

01:00:54.140 crime

01:00:54.540 that's like

01:00:57.040 pretty much

01:00:58.060 the same

01:00:59.080 ratio there

01:01:00.840 as 1350

01:01:01.780 or 1360

01:01:02.760 seems like

01:01:05.400 it's kind

01:01:05.840 of universal

01:01:06.500 we turn again

01:01:08.140 to the issue

01:01:08.600 of intelligence

01:01:09.360 test scores

01:01:10.000 since the time

01:01:11.520 of World War

01:01:12.040 One

01:01:12.340 when widespread

01:01:13.140 testing began

01:01:14.000 blacks have scored

01:01:15.000 about 15 IQ

01:01:15.900 points lower

01:01:16.440 than whites

01:01:16.920 on tests of

01:01:17.760 intelligence

01:01:18.240 and educational

01:01:19.240 achievement

01:01:19.740 whether tested

01:01:20.600 in the United States

01:01:21.360 the United Kingdom

01:01:22.080 Jamaica

01:01:22.520 Nigeria

01:01:23.000 Tanzania

01:01:23.600 or Uganda

01:01:24.520 fewer people

01:01:25.920 are aware

01:01:26.380 however

01:01:26.760 that orientals

01:01:27.880 score about

01:01:28.560 5 points

01:01:29.260 higher

01:01:29.640 than do whites

01:01:30.680 on exactly

01:01:31.520 the same

01:01:31.820 measuring instruments

01:01:32.560 whether tested

01:01:33.380 in Canada

01:01:33.880 the United States

01:01:35.200 Japan

01:01:35.900 Taiwan

01:01:36.740 Hong Kong

01:01:37.480 Malaysia

01:01:37.940 Singapore

01:01:38.400 or other countries

01:01:39.460 it may also

01:01:40.860 come as a surprise

01:01:41.640 to learn

01:01:42.460 that the same

01:01:42.880 order is observed

01:01:43.660 with measures

01:01:44.180 of brain size

01:01:44.900 whether indexed

01:01:46.260 by cranial capacity

01:01:47.240 from inside

01:01:48.360 the skull

01:01:48.960 or brain weight

01:01:50.400 as measured

01:01:51.280 at autopsy

01:01:52.080 craniums

01:01:53.460 let's go

01:01:54.160 I have averaged

01:01:55.580 numerous estimates

01:01:56.460 some quite recent

01:01:57.520 finding for cranial

01:01:58.840 capacity

01:01:59.380 orientals

01:02:00.580 1448 cubic centimeters

01:02:02.260 whites 1408 cubic centimeters

01:02:04.660 and blacks 1334 cubic centimeters

01:02:07.460 for brain weight

01:02:08.820 orientals

01:02:09.700 1351 grams

01:02:11.140 whites 1336 grams

01:02:13.360 and blacks

01:02:14.280 1286 grams

01:02:15.780 it is noteworthy

01:02:17.440 that even the most

01:02:18.060 critical of reviewers

01:02:18.980 such as Stephen Jay Gould

01:02:20.660 from his own estimates

01:02:22.120 I have observed

01:02:23.260 exactly the same

01:02:24.120 rank ordering

01:02:24.660 finding a one

01:02:26.280 cubic inch

01:02:27.120 of difference

01:02:27.820 between each

01:02:29.380 of the three races

01:02:30.260 if you have a look

01:02:31.740 at page 66

01:02:32.580 of his book

01:02:33.400 the mismeasure of man

01:02:34.320 you can calculate

01:02:35.200 the figures

01:02:35.640 for yourself

01:02:36.200 moreover

01:02:38.360 while brain weight

01:02:39.920 begins to decrease

01:02:41.320 around age 25

01:02:42.780 in european samples

01:02:44.660 the decrease

01:02:45.700 may not begin

01:02:46.560 until the mid 30s

01:02:47.920 in japanese samples

01:02:49.640 that very briefly

01:02:51.820 we gotta weigh

01:02:53.440 those brains

01:02:54.200 we gotta figure this out

01:02:55.500 is the evidence

01:02:56.000 on racial differences

01:02:56.780 to summarize

01:02:57.840 on over 60

01:02:59.140 different measures

01:03:00.120 including brain size

01:03:01.300 and intelligence

01:03:01.880 on speed of physical

01:03:03.280 maturation

01:03:03.800 on personality

01:03:04.740 and temperament

01:03:05.380 and on sexuality

01:03:06.480 and social organization

01:03:07.840 caucasians

01:03:09.300 fall consistently

01:03:10.980 between oriental

01:03:12.980 and black populations

01:03:13.920 the second question

01:03:15.960 to be addressed

01:03:16.520 is what are the causes

01:03:17.940 of these differences

01:03:18.920 most people will argue

01:03:20.700 that the racial differences

01:03:21.560 that I have listed

01:03:22.300 are due entirely

01:03:23.420 to environmental factors

01:03:25.120 to the effects

01:03:26.000 of poverty

01:03:26.500 socioeconomic status

01:03:27.900 to biases in the tests

01:03:29.460 and in biases in society

01:03:31.040 I do not deny

01:03:33.120 that these factors

01:03:34.060 are operative

01:03:34.840 indeed I suggest

01:03:36.600 that they may account

01:03:37.680 for as much as

01:03:38.820 50% of the variance

01:03:40.600 what I am arguing

01:03:42.300 however

01:03:42.620 is that the other 50%

01:03:43.840 is due to genetic

01:03:44.840 and evolutionary mechanisms

01:03:46.260 many large scale

01:03:48.640 studies of twins

01:03:49.520 and of adoptees

01:03:50.660 have now been carried out

01:03:51.980 showing the importance

01:03:53.560 of genetic factors

01:03:54.360 on almost all the variables

01:03:55.480 that I have mentioned

01:03:56.160 including temperament

01:03:57.420 strength of the sex drive

01:03:58.760 health

01:03:59.380 longevity

01:04:00.040 as well as crime

01:04:01.340 intelligence

01:04:01.860 and educational achievement

01:04:03.140 but you can ask

01:04:05.160 can these figures

01:04:06.240 calculated mostly

01:04:07.380 on white populations

01:04:08.320 be generalized

01:04:09.220 to other races

01:04:10.240 I believe they can

01:04:11.780 and I am publishing papers

01:04:13.340 to that effect

01:04:13.900 in scientific journals

01:04:15.040 the argument

01:04:16.320 is somewhat technical

01:04:17.100 but in essence

01:04:18.600 it is

01:04:19.720 that the racial group

01:04:20.800 differences which exist

01:04:21.940 are most noticeable

01:04:23.620 on those subtests

01:04:25.680 which are the most

01:04:26.780 genetically influenced

01:04:27.960 for example

01:04:29.580 there is a positive correlation

01:04:30.920 between a subtest's

01:04:32.160 heritability

01:04:32.620 and the degree

01:04:33.920 to which it differentiates

01:04:35.180 the races

01:04:35.880 and that is a

01:04:37.520 differential prediction

01:04:38.460 a positive correlation

01:04:40.080 is expected

01:04:40.700 only if racial group

01:04:42.180 differences

01:04:42.500 are due to the genes

01:04:43.520 if the differences

01:04:44.700 had been due

01:04:45.440 entirely to the environment

01:04:46.600 the correlation

01:04:47.700 should have been

01:04:48.620 a negative one

01:04:49.440 much data

01:04:51.380 from other researchers

01:04:52.080 can also be interpreted

01:04:53.040 in support of my argument

01:04:54.080 for example

01:04:55.240 a 17 year adoption study

01:04:57.500 of black children

01:04:58.560 adopted into white

01:04:59.780 middle class families

01:05:00.680 has shown that

01:05:01.440 the black children's IQ

01:05:02.400 and educational achievement

01:05:04.060 and also their social deviance

01:05:05.920 is better predicted

01:05:07.360 by their genetic background

01:05:08.920 than by their upbringing

01:05:10.300 environment

01:05:11.040 hmm

01:05:12.080 it's those twin studies

01:05:13.680 you could really learn

01:05:15.100 a lot from those

01:05:16.060 however it's very difficult

01:05:17.860 to you know

01:05:18.760 to find these situations

01:05:19.980 in which like

01:05:20.920 black children are getting

01:05:22.100 adopted

01:05:22.520 and know from the beginning

01:05:24.080 that you're going to be

01:05:25.340 doing a study

01:05:26.200 on race and IQ

01:05:27.380 seems like

01:05:28.740 they wouldn't even

01:05:29.400 allow that to happen

01:05:30.380 so how are we supposed

01:05:31.800 to figure these things out

01:05:33.200 but nevertheless

01:05:34.980 they have done

01:05:35.960 this research

01:05:36.900 in the past

01:05:38.000 many times

01:05:39.040 but if they could

01:05:40.720 do it more

01:05:41.200 then they would

01:05:42.080 either be able

01:05:42.580 to prove

01:05:43.120 or disprove

01:05:43.860 more of these theories

01:05:44.960 now the ultimate aim

01:05:48.880 of science

01:05:49.440 is causally

01:05:50.620 to explain

01:05:51.540 the world around us

01:05:53.020 rather than simply

01:05:53.840 to describe it

01:05:54.520 most explanations

01:05:55.820 of the data

01:05:56.280 I have reviewed

01:05:56.880 tend to be highly

01:05:57.960 particularistic

01:05:58.920 that is

01:05:59.900 very specific

01:06:01.040 to a particular domain

01:06:02.520 for example

01:06:03.760 black scores

01:06:04.780 on IQ tests

01:06:05.700 are attributed

01:06:06.380 to bias

01:06:07.000 inherent in the tests

01:06:08.180 black crime

01:06:09.480 is attributed

01:06:10.000 to poverty

01:06:11.120 poor performance

01:06:12.480 in schools

01:06:13.040 is blamed on prejudice

01:06:14.280 by teachers

01:06:15.020 and so on

01:06:16.000 none of those explanations

01:06:17.640 by the way

01:06:18.200 will explain

01:06:18.860 the higher than

01:06:19.780 caucasian performance

01:06:21.000 by orientals

01:06:22.360 orientals for example

01:06:24.360 had lower crime rates

01:06:25.520 than whites

01:06:26.140 even when they were

01:06:27.360 lower than whites

01:06:28.380 in socioeconomic status

01:06:29.760 the crux of my argument

01:06:32.180 and I'd really like

01:06:33.580 to emphasize

01:06:34.060 here that this

01:06:35.360 is the essential point

01:06:36.520 is that whatever theory

01:06:38.440 you come up with

01:06:39.180 to explain the differences

01:06:40.360 that theory really

01:06:42.360 has to explain

01:06:43.140 the totality

01:06:44.240 of the findings

01:06:45.260 it has to explain

01:06:47.100 why there is a pattern

01:06:48.080 one, two, three

01:06:49.560 with caucasians

01:06:50.840 falling consistently

01:06:51.820 between oriental

01:06:53.300 and black populations

01:06:54.160 on variables

01:06:55.120 such as the production

01:06:56.040 of twins

01:06:56.540 and brain size

01:06:58.220 and even variables

01:06:59.480 such as the depth

01:07:00.560 of the voice

01:07:01.240 on which caucasians

01:07:02.500 again fall

01:07:03.160 between the other two races

01:07:04.600 so it's not just

01:07:06.160 IQ and crime

01:07:06.960 or educational performance

01:07:08.180 it's much more deeply

01:07:09.640 embedded in evolution

01:07:11.000 than that

01:07:11.980 one theory

01:07:14.180 which I believe

01:07:14.960 goes quite a long way

01:07:15.860 in making sense

01:07:16.740 of the racial group differences

01:07:17.880 stems out of the literature

01:07:19.500 on animal evolution

01:07:21.180 this is a theory

01:07:23.080 of R and K

01:07:24.800 reproductive strategies

01:07:26.340 essentially

01:07:27.560 an animal

01:07:28.180 can replicate

01:07:28.740 its genes

01:07:29.400 which is what evolution

01:07:30.860 is all about

01:07:31.420 in one of two

01:07:33.000 extreme ways

01:07:34.160 either

01:07:35.740 be an R

01:07:37.140 like oysters

01:07:38.240 and produce hundreds

01:07:39.480 of thousands

01:07:39.940 of offspring

01:07:40.440 but give no parental care

01:07:42.380 and expect almost

01:07:43.760 all of them to die

01:07:44.640 or

01:07:46.020 be K

01:07:46.740 and produce only one infant

01:07:48.880 every four or five

01:07:49.980 or six years

01:07:50.620 but lavish enormous

01:07:52.360 parental care

01:07:53.180 on them

01:07:54.420 these two different

01:07:56.140 strategies among animals

01:07:57.380 go along

01:07:58.400 with a wide range

01:07:59.520 of life history traits

01:08:01.000 the more K

01:08:02.680 an animal group

01:08:03.780 that is

01:08:05.100 the fewer eggs

01:08:05.780 it produces

01:08:06.240 the longer

01:08:07.500 is its period

01:08:08.160 of gestation

01:08:08.820 the higher

01:08:09.640 the birth weight

01:08:10.220 the more delayed

01:08:11.060 the onset

01:08:11.480 of physical maturity

01:08:12.320 the older

01:08:13.260 the age

01:08:13.620 at first reproduction

01:08:14.340 the longer

01:08:15.340 the life

01:08:15.800 the larger

01:08:16.760 the brain

01:08:17.200 and the greater

01:08:18.320 the degree

01:08:18.800 of social organization

01:08:20.220 thus diverse

01:08:22.080 organismic characteristics

01:08:23.360 not otherwise

01:08:24.860 relatable

01:08:25.340 are presumed

01:08:26.760 to co-vary

01:08:27.460 along

01:08:28.500 a single dimension

01:08:29.780 because the races

01:08:32.000 differ

01:08:32.420 on many

01:08:33.120 of the K

01:08:33.560 characteristics

01:08:34.160 it is hypothesized

01:08:36.420 that orientals

01:08:37.380 are more K

01:08:38.460 selected

01:08:38.840 than chalcasoids

01:08:40.020 who in turn

01:08:41.120 are more K

01:08:42.040 selected

01:08:42.400 than Africans

01:08:43.360 recall for example

01:08:45.780 that orientals

01:08:47.020 produce the fewest

01:08:48.180 eggs

01:08:48.500 but have the

01:08:49.380 largest brains

01:08:50.100 while blacks

01:08:51.500 produce the most

01:08:52.700 eggs

01:08:53.080 but have the

01:08:53.920 smallest brains

01:08:54.500 I love how they

01:08:56.360 they always

01:08:57.380 pan the camera

01:08:58.300 onto

01:08:58.720 like the race

01:08:59.800 of the person

01:09:00.300 he's talking about

01:09:01.120 this black guy

01:09:02.460 just like

01:09:02.920 shit

01:09:03.460 I do

01:09:05.100 get a lot

01:09:05.980 of eggs

01:09:06.460 yo

01:09:06.780 I know

01:09:10.280 this is a very

01:09:10.860 interesting theory

01:09:11.740 this is actually

01:09:12.720 what I was saying

01:09:14.220 that Saxon

01:09:15.020 North of Nothing

01:09:15.720 was talking about

01:09:17.100 on his stream

01:09:17.800 the R&K

01:09:18.600 selection theory

01:09:20.120 and it seems

01:09:21.240 like there are

01:09:21.900 some benefits

01:09:22.480 to both

01:09:23.260 the R&K

01:09:24.020 strategies

01:09:24.600 obviously

01:09:25.680 if you lean

01:09:26.260 too far

01:09:26.780 on one

01:09:27.260 like the R

01:09:27.920 strategy

01:09:28.360 your offspring

01:09:30.200 is not

01:09:30.940 going to be

01:09:31.620 well developed

01:09:32.380 or be

01:09:34.400 well adapted

01:09:36.140 to survive

01:09:37.400 like with

01:09:38.800 any longevity

01:09:39.560 but if you're

01:09:41.500 too K

01:09:42.080 and you're

01:09:43.020 too conservative

01:09:43.880 about having

01:09:44.660 children

01:09:45.040 you are going

01:09:46.400 to get bred

01:09:46.800 out of existence

01:09:47.540 by the R

01:09:48.700 so all this

01:09:51.380 R&K

01:09:52.040 you know

01:09:52.380 you got to have

01:09:53.100 like a healthy

01:09:53.900 mix of both

01:09:54.620 it seems

01:09:55.140 but it's

01:09:57.560 it's very

01:09:58.100 interesting

01:09:58.640 to think

01:09:59.100 how

01:09:59.420 like different

01:10:00.260 animals

01:10:00.780 like divulge

01:10:02.620 from each

01:10:02.980 other so

01:10:03.420 much

01:10:03.720 with these

01:10:04.020 two different

01:10:04.440 strategies

01:10:05.020 but why

01:10:08.080 would

01:10:08.840 orientals

01:10:09.800 have ended

01:10:10.460 up the

01:10:11.000 most K

01:10:11.580 at this

01:10:12.860 stage of our

01:10:13.260 knowledge

01:10:13.540 we cannot

01:10:14.260 know for

01:10:14.680 sure

01:10:14.920 one

01:10:16.380 reasonable

01:10:16.780 hypothesis

01:10:17.420 that fits

01:10:18.440 the data

01:10:18.840 however

01:10:19.240 is to be

01:10:20.300 found in

01:10:20.860 recent

01:10:21.280 genetic

01:10:21.760 distance

01:10:22.180 studies

01:10:22.580 based on

01:10:23.460 DNA

01:10:23.860 sequencing

01:10:24.460 these

01:10:26.260 suggest

01:10:26.680 that

01:10:26.900 modern

01:10:27.140 humans

01:10:27.620 evolved

01:10:28.380 in

01:10:28.540 Africa

01:10:28.900 perhaps

01:10:29.800 even

01:10:30.040 as

01:10:30.200 recently

01:10:30.460 as

01:10:30.700 200,000

01:10:31.400 or so

01:10:31.700 years

01:10:31.920 ago

01:10:32.200 and

01:10:33.080 subsequently

01:10:33.560 migrated

01:10:34.200 northwards

01:10:34.800 to other

01:10:35.500 parts of

01:10:35.920 the globe

01:10:36.300 interesting

01:10:37.800 theory alert

01:10:38.620 I think

01:10:39.820 this is

01:10:40.260 called

01:10:40.520 cold

01:10:40.900 winter's

01:10:41.520 theory

01:10:41.940 or at

01:10:42.640 least

01:10:42.780 that's

01:10:43.060 one

01:10:43.220 name

01:10:43.440 for

01:10:43.640 it

01:10:44.060 with

01:10:44.640 an

01:10:44.780 African

01:10:45.260 non-African

01:10:46.380 split

01:10:46.820 occurring

01:10:47.660 about

01:10:47.940 110,000

01:10:48.780 years

01:10:49.000 ago

01:10:49.300 and a

01:10:50.180 Calcasoid

01:10:50.740 Oriental

01:10:51.560 split

01:10:51.880 occurring

01:10:52.320 41,000

01:10:53.500 years ago

01:10:53.960 it

01:10:55.320 seems

01:10:55.560 reasonable

01:10:55.960 to

01:10:56.180 postulate

01:10:56.680 that

01:10:57.300 as

01:10:57.420 populations

01:10:57.860 moved

01:10:58.220 north

01:10:58.600 they

01:10:59.120 encountered

01:10:59.580 more

01:10:59.840 challenging

01:11:00.220 environments

01:11:00.960 including

01:11:02.340 the last

01:11:02.880 ice age

01:11:03.480 which

01:11:04.040 ended

01:11:04.340 only

01:11:04.640 12,000

01:11:05.220 years

01:11:05.460 ago

01:11:05.760 and

01:11:06.660 thus

01:11:06.840 the

01:11:06.980 more

01:11:07.120 stringent

01:11:07.660 were

01:11:08.020 the

01:11:08.140 selection

01:11:08.440 pressures

01:11:08.900 for

01:11:09.440 intelligence

01:11:10.000 forward

01:11:10.980 planning

01:11:11.400 and

01:11:12.320 sexual

01:11:12.740 and

01:11:13.180 personal

01:11:13.560 restraint

01:11:14.200 the

01:11:15.380 Siberian

01:11:15.960 cold

01:11:16.420 experienced

01:11:17.180 by

01:11:17.640 oriental

01:11:18.140 populations

01:11:18.620 was

01:11:19.500 more

01:11:19.740 severe

01:11:20.120 than

01:11:20.960 even

01:11:21.240 that

01:11:21.480 experienced

01:11:21.980 by

01:11:22.220 other

01:11:22.560 pale

01:11:22.940 skinned

01:11:23.500 populations

01:11:24.120 in

01:11:24.860 northern

01:11:25.100 europe

01:11:25.420 there

01:11:28.180 are

01:11:28.260 two

01:11:28.380 final

01:11:28.640 points

01:11:28.880 that

01:11:28.980 i'd

01:11:29.080 like

01:11:29.180 to

01:11:29.280 make

01:11:29.420 before

01:11:29.660 concluding

01:11:30.140 first

01:11:31.460 they'll

01:11:32.180 definitely

01:11:32.500 get back

01:11:33.020 to that

01:11:33.380 and

01:11:33.620 there are

01:11:34.980 anomalies

01:11:35.540 to that

01:11:36.080 so

01:11:37.020 who knows

01:11:37.980 the theory

01:11:38.540 isn't

01:11:38.920 bulletproof

01:11:39.520 but

01:11:39.940 that's

01:11:40.220 that's

01:11:40.240 why

01:11:40.340 you

01:11:40.480 need

01:11:40.640 to

01:11:40.740 debate

01:11:41.060 these

01:11:41.340 things

01:11:41.780 any

01:11:42.420 analysis

01:11:42.800 of

01:11:42.980 the

01:11:43.080 kind

01:11:43.300 presented

01:11:43.640 here

01:11:43.960 it

01:11:44.740 really

01:11:45.040 must

01:11:45.440 be

01:11:45.660 emphasized

01:11:46.020 that

01:11:46.940 there

01:11:47.100 is

01:11:47.220 enormous

01:11:47.720 variability

01:11:48.360 within

01:11:49.200 each

01:11:50.140 of the

01:11:50.340 populations

01:11:50.840 since

01:11:52.280 these

01:11:52.540 distributions

01:11:53.120 clearly

01:11:54.000 overlap

01:11:54.580 it

01:11:55.440 is

01:11:55.580 always

01:11:55.960 problematic

01:11:56.460 to

01:11:57.120 generalize

01:11:57.760 from

01:11:58.260 a

01:11:58.420 group

01:11:58.620 average

01:11:59.060 to

01:11:59.620 any

01:11:59.880 particular

01:12:00.360 individual

01:12:00.960 and

01:12:01.940 that's

01:12:02.140 a

01:12:02.240 great

01:12:02.420 point

01:12:02.780 like

01:12:03.640 when

01:12:04.520 I

01:12:04.680 look

01:12:05.020 at

01:12:05.200 each

01:12:05.420 individual

01:12:05.860 person

01:12:06.340 whether

01:12:06.540 they're

01:12:06.800 black

01:12:07.100 or

01:12:07.280 white

01:12:07.520 I

01:12:07.640 don't

01:12:07.820 assume

01:12:08.220 they're

01:12:08.500 smart

01:12:08.880 or

01:12:09.500 not

01:12:09.840 like

01:12:10.680 but

01:12:11.420 yes

01:12:11.760 it

01:12:12.000 does

01:12:12.440 matter

01:12:12.780 on a

01:12:13.060 societal

01:12:13.480 level

01:12:13.860 when you

01:12:14.180 take

01:12:14.340 these

01:12:14.540 groups

01:12:14.900 and

01:12:15.180 then

01:12:15.340 you're

01:12:15.600 wondering

01:12:15.920 why

01:12:16.240 one

01:12:16.500 is

01:12:16.640 doing

01:12:16.840 better

01:12:17.160 it

01:12:18.040 really

01:12:18.280 does

01:12:18.700 add

01:12:18.980 up

01:12:19.380 and

01:12:21.240 that's

01:12:21.600 the way

01:12:21.820 you

01:12:21.940 gotta

01:12:22.100 look

01:12:22.380 at

01:12:22.560 it

01:12:22.820 second

01:12:26.100 recall

01:12:27.300 my

01:12:27.520 earlier

01:12:27.920 remarks

01:12:28.420 that

01:12:29.080 only

01:12:29.280 50%

01:12:30.040 of

01:12:30.840 the

01:12:30.940 variance

01:12:31.220 is

01:12:31.420 genetic

01:12:31.780 and

01:12:32.700 that

01:12:32.840 50%

01:12:33.460 is

01:12:34.040 due

01:12:34.180 to

01:12:34.300 the

01:12:34.420 environment

01:12:34.960 topdoc

01:12:36.460 is

01:12:36.600 saying

01:12:36.780 out

01:12:37.020 of

01:12:37.140 Africa

01:12:37.580 theory

01:12:38.060 has

01:12:38.420 been

01:12:38.620 found

01:12:38.880 out

01:12:39.140 to

01:12:39.740 not

01:12:39.960 be

01:12:40.140 true

01:12:40.480 yeah

01:12:41.440 I've

01:12:41.620 heard

01:12:41.740 something

01:12:42.040 about

01:12:42.300 that

01:12:42.560 too

01:12:42.860 I

01:12:43.660 haven't

01:12:44.180 looked

01:12:44.380 enough

01:12:44.660 into

01:12:44.880 that

01:12:45.220 but

01:12:46.780 yeah

01:12:48.980 if

01:12:49.180 you

01:12:49.280 have

01:12:49.460 any

01:12:49.740 resources

01:12:50.740 that

01:12:51.140 could

01:12:51.280 lead

01:12:51.440 me

01:12:51.540 to

01:12:51.680 that

01:12:51.940 that

01:12:52.160 be

01:12:52.280 good

01:12:52.560 second

01:12:53.560 recall

01:12:54.760 my

01:12:55.000 earlier

01:12:55.380 remarks

01:12:55.880 that

01:12:56.540 only

01:12:56.740 50%

01:12:57.520 of

01:12:58.300 the

01:12:58.400 variance

01:12:58.700 is

01:12:58.900 genetic

01:12:59.240 and

01:13:00.180 that

01:13:00.320 50%

01:13:00.920 is

01:13:01.500 due

01:13:01.660 to

01:13:01.780 the

01:13:01.880 environment

01:13:02.280 even

01:13:03.660 the

01:13:04.040 genetic

01:13:04.320 effects

01:13:04.840 are

01:13:05.280 necessarily

01:13:05.740 mediated

01:13:06.600 by

01:13:07.300 neuroendocrine

01:13:08.200 and

01:13:08.740 psychosocial

01:13:09.380 mechanisms

01:13:09.940 thus

01:13:10.860 availing

01:13:11.380 much

01:13:12.060 opportunity

01:13:12.560 for

01:13:13.060 intervention

01:13:13.520 and

01:13:14.240 the

01:13:14.340 alleviation

01:13:14.760 of

01:13:14.880 suffering

01:13:15.200 thank

01:13:16.240 you

01:13:16.460 so

01:13:20.520 around

01:13:20.900 50-50

01:13:21.780 genetics

01:13:22.280 genetics

01:13:22.320 and

01:13:22.480 environment

01:13:23.000 though

01:13:23.680 it varies

01:13:24.680 from

01:13:24.900 scientist

01:13:25.300 to

01:13:25.640 scientist

01:13:25.980 of course

01:13:26.880 if you

01:13:27.180 get a

01:13:27.460 liberal

01:13:27.700 scientist

01:13:28.180 they're

01:13:29.040 just

01:13:29.240 going to

01:13:29.520 deny

01:13:29.820 all

01:13:30.140 genetic

01:13:30.540 components

01:13:31.040 when it

01:13:31.720 comes to

01:13:32.100 something like

01:13:32.540 intelligence

01:13:33.100 although you'd be a complete fool

01:13:34.860 to deny

01:13:36.000 genetic

01:13:36.700 components

01:13:37.280 of reality

01:13:38.180 at least

01:13:39.740 from the

01:13:40.140 neck

01:13:40.320 down

01:13:40.740 because

01:13:41.240 why are you

01:13:42.140 even a

01:13:42.480 geneticist

01:13:43.000 at that

01:13:43.400 point

01:13:43.700 but

01:13:44.540 suddenly

01:13:46.280 all these

01:13:47.220 liberal

01:13:47.700 scientists

01:13:48.740 from the

01:13:49.760 neck

01:13:50.000 up

01:13:50.320 it's a

01:13:51.120 completely

01:13:51.560 different

01:13:51.920 thing

01:13:52.320 man

01:13:52.780 I don't

01:13:54.760 know

01:13:55.040 50-50

01:13:55.920 but there's

01:13:56.880 a lot

01:13:57.140 of room

01:13:57.580 for

01:13:57.800 manipulation

01:13:58.480 of the

01:13:59.420 expression

01:13:59.860 of these

01:14:00.280 genes

01:14:00.700 right

01:14:01.040 so there is

01:14:02.140 some hope

01:14:02.520 for people

01:14:03.000 but we got

01:14:03.600 to be

01:14:03.760 looking in

01:14:04.220 the right

01:14:04.480 direction

01:14:04.860 if we want

01:14:05.380 to help

01:14:05.680 society

01:14:06.220 properly

01:14:06.780 so I

01:14:09.120 need to

01:14:09.780 go to the

01:14:10.380 washroom

01:14:10.760 quick

01:14:11.020 I'll be

01:14:11.320 right back

01:14:11.820 I'll just

01:14:12.480 keep this

01:14:12.920 playing

01:14:13.320 from his

01:14:14.400 last

01:14:14.680 statement

01:14:15.040 and I'll

01:14:15.740 get right

01:14:16.120 into

01:14:16.400 David Suzuki

01:14:17.260 here

01:14:17.680 and

01:14:18.480 psychosocial

01:14:19.180 mechanisms

01:14:19.720 thus availing

01:14:21.160 much opportunity

01:14:22.360 for intervention

01:14:23.300 and the

01:14:24.120 alleviation of

01:14:24.660 suffering

01:14:24.980 thank you

01:14:26.260 I'd like

01:14:42.400 to thank

01:14:42.760 Dr. Rushton

01:14:44.160 for his

01:14:44.420 remarks

01:14:44.640 and I'd

01:14:44.940 now like

01:14:45.140 to call

01:14:45.380 upon

01:14:45.700 Dr. Suzuki

01:14:46.740 to give

01:14:47.080 his opening

01:14:48.240 remarks

01:14:48.580 reminding him

01:14:48.960 that he

01:14:49.120 has 20

01:14:49.420 minutes

01:14:49.620 in which

01:14:49.820 to speak

01:14:50.160 I feel

01:14:58.340 very proud

01:14:58.800 of this

01:14:59.040 audience

01:14:59.280 tonight

01:14:59.580 you've shown

01:15:00.040 that we're

01:15:00.300 in Canada

01:15:00.700 and not

01:15:01.060 South Africa

01:15:01.640 with your

01:15:02.020 politeness

01:15:02.720 as a London

01:15:11.420 boy I am

01:15:12.060 always happy

01:15:12.900 to return

01:15:13.360 to my

01:15:13.640 hometown

01:15:14.080 tonight is

01:15:15.160 different

01:15:15.400 I did not

01:15:17.380 want to be

01:15:17.920 here

01:15:18.140 I do not

01:15:19.520 believe that

01:15:20.100 we should

01:15:20.420 dignify this

01:15:21.240 man and

01:15:21.760 his ideas

01:15:22.580 in public

01:15:23.660 debate

01:15:24.000 I am

01:15:26.160 deeply

01:15:26.600 concerned

01:15:27.160 as a

01:15:27.520 broadcaster

01:15:28.040 with the

01:15:28.500 media's

01:15:29.060 frenzy

01:15:29.560 that have

01:15:30.420 provided

01:15:30.800 Rushton

01:15:31.300 a wide

01:15:32.100 audience

01:15:32.400 for ideas

01:15:33.000 that simply

01:15:33.580 do not

01:15:34.060 qualify as

01:15:34.740 science

01:15:35.100 I am

01:15:38.220 outraged

01:15:38.980 I am

01:15:39.300 outraged

01:15:39.800 that students

01:15:40.260 on this

01:15:40.680 campus

01:15:41.000 could not

01:15:41.500 find a

01:15:42.060 single

01:15:42.380 professor

01:15:42.840 at Western

01:15:43.700 who would

01:15:44.560 debate this

01:15:45.080 man

01:15:45.360 here

01:15:45.780 they could

01:15:52.220 find no

01:15:53.000 psychologists

01:15:53.760 no academics

01:15:54.980 who would

01:15:55.720 counter these

01:15:56.340 monstrous

01:15:56.920 claims

01:15:57.360 instead they

01:15:58.760 were told

01:15:59.160 this is an

01:15:59.620 academic matter

01:16:00.280 this is not a

01:16:00.860 public matter

01:16:01.380 or we have to

01:16:02.140 respect academic

01:16:03.020 freedom

01:16:03.400 now it is true

01:16:04.800 one of the most

01:16:05.340 sacred privileges

01:16:06.040 we have in

01:16:06.580 society is

01:16:07.600 academic freedom

01:16:08.320 to explore

01:16:09.500 ideas

01:16:09.940 all right I

01:16:12.640 just got back

01:16:13.400 sorry I have

01:16:14.740 to give David

01:16:15.280 Suzuki a real

01:16:16.180 introduction

01:16:16.660 here

01:16:17.900 introducing

01:16:22.420 David Suzuki

01:16:24.580 sorry I meant

01:16:27.420 to hit this

01:16:27.840 one

01:16:28.060 there we go

01:16:30.540 sorry I had

01:16:31.580 to send him

01:16:32.080 send him in on

01:16:33.220 the right note

01:16:33.860 feel very proud

01:16:34.560 of this audience

01:16:35.020 tonight you've

01:16:35.640 shown that we're

01:16:36.040 in Canada and

01:16:36.640 not South Africa

01:16:37.380 with your

01:16:37.760 politeness

01:16:38.460 yeah I love

01:16:45.680 how he says

01:16:46.140 that great

01:16:46.900 example South

01:16:48.440 Africa okay

01:16:49.340 yeah and

01:16:49.880 what's what's

01:16:51.480 in South Africa

01:16:52.340 what's going on

01:16:53.140 there what are

01:16:54.600 the demographics

01:16:55.240 like and why

01:16:57.160 is it like that

01:16:57.940 as a London

01:17:02.860 boy I'm always

01:17:03.940 happy to return

01:17:04.780 to my hometown

01:17:05.520 tonight is

01:17:06.600 different I

01:17:08.380 I did not

01:17:08.820 want to be

01:17:09.340 here I do

01:17:10.760 not believe

01:17:11.320 that we should

01:17:11.860 dignify this

01:17:12.660 man and his

01:17:13.420 ideas in public

01:17:15.080 debate there we

01:17:16.480 go moral

01:17:17.320 grandstanding

01:17:18.000 concerned as a

01:17:18.940 broadcaster with

01:17:19.740 the media's frenzy

01:17:21.020 that have provided

01:17:22.240 Rushton a wide

01:17:23.520 audience for ideas

01:17:24.420 that simply do not

01:17:25.480 qualify as science

01:17:26.560 or maybe it was

01:17:35.620 just everyone was

01:17:36.960 interested if the

01:17:38.560 media hyped up

01:17:39.580 something that no

01:17:40.260 one cared about no

01:17:41.200 one would no one

01:17:42.820 would show up still

01:17:43.960 that's not how

01:17:44.840 things work

01:17:45.620 I'm outraged I am

01:17:48.800 outraged I am outraged

01:17:49.320 that students on this

01:17:50.200 campus could not find

01:17:51.380 a single professor at

01:17:52.900 Western who would

01:17:54.080 debate this man here

01:17:55.340 and why do you think

01:17:57.380 that is

01:17:57.940 they could find no

01:18:02.520 psychologists no

01:18:03.980 academics who would

01:18:05.240 counter these monstrous

01:18:06.440 claims instead they

01:18:08.300 were told this is an

01:18:09.140 academic matter this is

01:18:10.120 not a public matter or we

01:18:11.380 have to respect academic

01:18:12.520 freedom now it is true

01:18:14.320 one of the most sacred

01:18:15.140 privileges we have in

01:18:16.100 society is academic

01:18:17.480 freedom and let's see

01:18:19.380 how he treats said

01:18:20.620 academic freedom to

01:18:22.040 explore ideas at the

01:18:23.120 very edge of human

01:18:23.960 thought that society or

01:18:26.020 religions or politicians

01:18:27.380 may find threatening or

01:18:28.460 dangerous we must protect

01:18:29.780 the right of scholars to

01:18:31.520 do this but there is a

01:18:33.180 reciprocal

01:18:33.600 responsibility the

01:18:35.440 academic the white guys

01:18:36.820 are like bring back the

01:18:39.700 other guy I know I like

01:18:42.280 looking at just the

01:18:43.580 physiognomy the look of

01:18:45.880 the people back then

01:18:46.920 there's there's a feel

01:18:48.880 about the I saw another

01:18:50.340 clip on Twitter I think

01:18:52.100 Jill Colton shared it and

01:18:53.820 it just showed Toronto in

01:18:56.020 1989 like the opening of

01:18:58.360 the Eden Center and it

01:19:00.080 looked like just like

01:19:00.880 people like this of course

01:19:04.740 Toronto does not look like

01:19:05.960 that anymore and it's very

01:19:09.380 concerning what it may look

01:19:10.700 like and it will what it

01:19:12.220 will look like in 50 years

01:19:13.840 from now completely

01:19:15.740 unrecognizable community

01:19:17.120 must uphold a standard of

01:19:18.680 scholarship and research

01:19:19.600 that justifies this

01:19:20.840 privilege the public or

01:19:22.680 students can't judge the

01:19:24.440 merits of esoteric

01:19:25.540 scientific ideas and we

01:19:26.840 heard about ours and K's and

01:19:27.960 all this stuff tonight yet

01:19:30.260 the public is profoundly

01:19:31.440 affected by the ramifications

01:19:32.880 of these ideas so the

01:19:34.720 academic community has a

01:19:36.180 great role to play to ensure

01:19:37.620 that all ideas but

01:19:39.280 especially those with

01:19:40.700 enormous social

01:19:41.380 ramifications can

01:19:42.660 withstand critical

01:19:43.840 scrutiny Rushtons do not

01:19:46.340 in a fundamental way and

01:19:48.560 we must ask then where are

01:19:50.120 those scholars on this

01:19:51.140 campus to say so where are

01:19:53.320 those hot shot molecular

01:19:54.340 geneticists whose work he's

01:19:55.880 citing who gladly go for

01:19:57.800 grants on biotechnology but

01:19:59.140 don't get up when it comes to

01:20:00.500 an important social issue

01:20:01.620 because they're gonna get

01:20:07.800 owned by him they'll lose

01:20:10.020 their reputation

01:20:10.680 to get up here I'm not a

01:20:11.760 psychologist Rushton's right

01:20:13.140 I'm not a psychologist I

01:20:14.080 don't read that stuff

01:20:14.740 okay enough said I can

01:20:20.380 understand after hearing

01:20:21.200 this why psychology has a

01:20:22.200 bad rep with the rest of

01:20:23.060 science but in refusing to

01:20:26.180 condemn this work on

01:20:27.420 academic grounds and

01:20:29.120 allowing him to continue

01:20:30.280 his work and spread his

01:20:32.160 ideas in providing research

01:20:33.520 funding in allowing his

01:20:35.680 articles to be published

01:20:36.560 scientists and scholars

01:20:37.600 legitimate his work and

01:20:39.220 must be condemned for a

01:20:40.620 serious dereliction of

01:20:41.980 responsibility you see there

01:20:43.500 will always be Rushtons in

01:20:45.300 the world and we must always

01:20:47.180 be prepared to root them out

01:20:48.520 and not hide behind academic

01:20:50.020 freedom

01:20:50.380 so academic freedom means

01:20:54.500 rooting these people out

01:20:55.900 what do you mean by rooting

01:20:57.640 them out

01:20:58.140 I agreed reluctantly very

01:21:02.060 reluctantly this is the last

01:21:03.400 thing I need to debate

01:21:05.420 because no one to my

01:21:07.020 knowledge has confronted the

01:21:08.140 fact that his work has no

01:21:09.360 scientific validity and

01:21:10.760 that's what I want to spend

01:21:11.460 the rest of my time talking

01:21:12.760 about too much of the

01:21:13.580 criticism too much of the

01:21:15.580 criticism has focused on the

01:21:17.240 details of his work it is

01:21:18.780 true that there are many

01:21:20.000 areas of criticism about the

01:21:22.020 selectivity of data the

01:21:23.860 validity whether he has any

01:21:25.500 validity in his reference

01:21:26.700 material the lack of evidence

01:21:28.640 for heritability of what are

01:21:29.980 highly complex physical and

01:21:31.900 behavioral traits the

01:21:33.160 meaninglessness of race as a

01:21:34.860 biological term the confusion

01:21:36.680 of correlation with causation

01:21:38.280 but to all these little

01:21:40.620 slights of hand like you would

01:21:43.480 have no problem if it was if he

01:21:46.000 was just doing it about

01:21:46.860 animals but yes humans are a

01:21:49.180 different type of animals we're

01:21:50.660 different species but once you

01:21:53.300 apply to us suddenly there's all

01:21:55.340 these problems suddenly the

01:21:57.840 standard gets raised so much

01:21:59.720 because it's something that you

01:22:00.920 don't want to talk about

01:22:01.920 deal with these matters implies

01:22:05.700 that there is a proper that that

01:22:07.460 there is a proper uh question

01:22:09.460 that he's a legitimate question

01:22:10.640 to his work and there isn't at

01:22:12.880 the very heart of rushton's

01:22:14.380 analysis is the work that was

01:22:16.280 carried on by one of his mentors

01:22:17.740 arthur jensen the berkeley

01:22:18.840 psychologist it has long been

01:22:21.500 documented and there is no denial

01:22:23.200 on this as he said this evening

01:22:24.440 that the iq scores of black and

01:22:26.820 white populations fall along

01:22:28.120 different curves that has not

01:22:29.560 been denied in any way when

01:22:31.720 plotted on a graph the familiar

01:22:33.040 bell-shaped curve standardized to

01:22:35.540 100 for whites reveals that when

01:22:38.400 blacks are plotted on the same

01:22:39.500 graph they plot about one standard

01:22:41.400 deviation below this is not in

01:22:44.080 contention the question is whether

01:22:45.440 the lower scores of blacks results

01:22:47.880 from the impact of racism or merely

01:22:50.580 reflects genetic difference between

01:22:52.280 the races rushed and wow so there

01:22:55.460 it is he's not denying the facts but

01:22:58.520 he's so hung up on it on the fact

01:23:01.380 that it's not racism that can be a

01:23:04.440 trip it could be attributed to that's

01:23:08.080 basically the crux of his argument

01:23:09.760 impact of racism or merely reflects

01:23:14.680 genetic difference between the races

01:23:16.400 rushed and assumes the latter well we

01:23:19.860 know that iq scores are not fixed by

01:23:21.920 our genes numerous studies show that

01:23:23.960 iq scores of different groups can be

01:23:25.660 changed by the race or sex of an

01:23:27.800 examiner or the enrichment of

01:23:29.020 education adoptive families and so on

01:23:30.480 and he he admits that up to 50% of

01:23:32.340 complex behavioral traits may very

01:23:33.600 well be environmental so no one's

01:23:35.360 quibbling about that whether

01:23:36.220 environment plays a role here note i

01:23:38.700 do not equate a score on an iq test

01:23:41.140 with intelligence you get a number and

01:23:43.060 that's all we're talking about

01:23:44.140 okay yeah it's just a number it's just

01:23:48.960 a number even though it's instrumental

01:23:51.920 in so many in you know testing people

01:23:54.800 and as a whole like i'll just let

01:24:00.600 rushed in explain that and why it does

01:24:03.180 matter later

01:24:03.940 how can we show a genetic component to

01:24:06.920 an iq score if there were two or three

01:24:08.640 genes involved we would very easily be

01:24:10.960 able to see a standard pattern of

01:24:12.400 mendelian inheritance that would very

01:24:13.820 quickly reveal itself but we don't see

01:24:15.560 that there may be dozens of genes that

01:24:17.740 affect the way we think and perform on

01:24:19.500 tests and that means that we can't do

01:24:22.000 an analysis in a traditional way of

01:24:23.980 looking at pedigrees what we have to

01:24:25.980 apply then are our statistical means the

01:24:29.240 way we do this is to match pairs of

01:24:31.920 individuals according to their degree of

01:24:33.660 related relatedness identical twins which

01:24:36.380 have the an identical set of genes

01:24:38.420 raised together raised apart fraternal

01:24:40.020 twins raised together raised apart

01:24:41.120 first cousins and so on now first of

01:24:44.120 all iq identical twins do not score

01:24:47.200 identically okay so both members of a

01:24:49.820 pair don't score identically on on these

01:24:52.020 tests so that in itself tells you that

01:24:53.900 genes alone are not responsible for the

01:24:55.780 score that you get now i'm going to go

01:24:57.240 along with the evidence although you all

01:24:58.980 know of the hoax that was performed by

01:25:00.360 sir cyril burt on identical twin studies

01:25:01.860 which is no we don't for many many

01:25:03.380 years forget that there's no uh i have

01:25:06.240 no doubt that the matching of pairs of

01:25:08.780 individuals by degree of relatedness show

01:25:10.720 that on average identical twins have

01:25:12.640 closer scores than do non-identical twins

01:25:15.900 who have closer scores than do first

01:25:17.740 cousins and so on so there is an

01:25:19.440 indication that there is a factor of of

01:25:21.680 heredity that affects where one falls

01:25:24.520 along a normal distribution curve so we uh

01:25:29.080 we would agree that there is a factor of

01:25:30.980 compatibility then determining where one

01:25:33.080 falls but that position on the curve is

01:25:34.940 strongly influenced as well by the

01:25:36.640 environment but if we look at the bell

01:25:38.100 shaped curve the people up at the one

01:25:39.620 end of the curve will be genetically

01:25:40.740 different in some way from people that

01:25:42.040 fall further down towards the center and

01:25:43.920 down towards the bottom these uh this

01:25:45.980 all accept as a reasonable hypothesis we

01:25:48.500 know then that nature and nurture affects

01:25:50.640 iq scores and that it does so in both

01:25:53.120 populations of blacks and whites so you

01:25:56.080 just went through all of that to re-establish

01:25:58.200 what we already knew a lot of talking to

01:26:02.100 say nothing that hasn't already been

01:26:03.860 established

01:26:04.500 oh i also wanted to say i i was thinking

01:26:12.340 about what i what i just remembered this

01:26:14.580 was before the bell curve i saw somebody

01:26:16.840 say something about the bell curve that

01:26:18.600 was written in 1995 and it's like one of

01:26:20.920 the canonical canonical text text about race

01:26:25.180 jensen iq and it reignited the controversy

01:26:27.660 even more so than uh rushton's work so

01:26:31.080 this is even before that

01:26:32.300 jensen then concludes that since there is a

01:26:37.280 heritable factor affecting iq scores in

01:26:39.400 blacks affecting iq scores in whites the

01:26:42.020 difference in the mean of the two

01:26:43.480 populations must be determined as well

01:26:45.380 genetically and that's where he goes uh

01:26:48.140 departs from the point of uh or the

01:26:50.020 legitimacy of his data you see in order

01:26:52.360 to do that to make that leap and say genes

01:26:54.640 determine distribution along both curves

01:26:56.500 therefore the the mean the average

01:26:58.600 difference between them is also

01:27:00.140 genetically determined he has to have two

01:27:02.180 populations that are completely identical

01:27:04.060 in all respects except race however as

01:27:07.880 much as we try to match the two

01:27:09.320 populations for social position income

01:27:11.240 education and so on no amount of care in

01:27:14.240 scientific planning can eliminate the

01:27:16.540 fact that we live in a society in which

01:27:18.120 racism and rent is rampant and the very

01:27:20.320 fact of being black in north america

01:27:22.140 guarantees a radically different

01:27:23.540 experience and social milieu for any

01:27:25.540 individual however well educated

01:27:27.220 okay that's a good point to stop on for

01:27:31.140 a second so you're saying that you oh

01:27:33.640 yeah that may all be true but if when

01:27:36.520 you're comparing different groups like

01:27:38.320 blacks and whites and where they are

01:27:39.760 their mean iqs their average iqs you

01:27:43.180 can't do that because not all their

01:27:45.440 circumstances are exactly the same not

01:27:48.280 all their environmental stressors are

01:27:50.400 exactly the same however there has been

01:27:53.300 data about this and they don't want you

01:27:56.320 to to cross-reference all this different

01:27:58.360 data that's why for example the fbi does

01:28:01.820 not regularly show statistics that show

01:28:04.780 how many white on black and how many

01:28:06.760 black on white crimes have been committed

01:28:08.640 and then uh you know factor for in all

01:28:11.420 the relevant factor in all the relevant

01:28:13.600 details to show what the real per capita

01:28:16.420 of interracial violences they don't want

01:28:20.000 you to look at these things and just to

01:28:23.380 show you a quick example of that

01:28:25.120 here's an article by like a social

01:28:29.340 justice group saying data shows affluent

01:28:32.080 black kids are more likely to be

01:28:34.200 incarcerated than poor white kids now

01:28:38.200 that's just them you know twisting the

01:28:42.800 data that's out there that's saying that

01:28:44.600 black kids are more likely to be

01:28:46.180 incarcerated than poor whites so

01:28:48.420 if you're willing to say that it's not

01:28:53.520 just because the police are only picking

01:28:55.660 out the black kids then it shows that

01:28:58.640 rich black kids are committing more

01:29:02.260 crimes than poor white so that dispels the

01:29:05.920 socioeconomic status that argument to say

01:29:09.480 that that kind of environment leads to more

01:29:11.600 crime and uh it goes to show that there is

01:29:16.380 differences in races when it comes to

01:29:18.260 that

01:29:18.480 now i would argue that saying

01:29:22.600 that saying it's because police are only

01:29:26.420 targeting blacks well they do victim

01:29:28.740 surveys that show that uh like somebody

01:29:32.140 who's the victim of a violent crime they

01:29:34.400 say who the the race of their perpetrator is

01:29:37.660 and it matches up more or less with the

01:29:41.520 arrest records and the incarceration rates

01:29:43.920 so once again that's been debunked or at

01:29:47.280 least debunked pretty much

01:29:49.640 neither rushden rushden nor jensen is a

01:29:56.880 geneticist

01:29:57.400 after jensen published his work in 1969 the

01:30:01.420 genetic society of america the leading

01:30:03.100 genetics organization in the world

01:30:04.520 overwhelmingly approved a gsa statement that

01:30:07.460 such work as jensen's cannot prove a

01:30:09.760 genetic basis for iq difference in races

01:30:11.800 world-class population geneticists two of

01:30:14.640 the leading population geneticists in the

01:30:16.360 world

01:30:16.660 luca cavalli sforza of stanford and sir

01:30:19.280 walter bodmer of oxford and richard

01:30:21.660 lewanton of harvard have written books on

01:30:23.780 this subject

01:30:24.300 in october 1970 of scientific american

01:30:28.020 bodmer and cavalli sforza published the

01:30:30.280 definitive popular work entitled

01:30:32.100 intelligence and race in direct response to

01:30:34.340 jensen's work

01:30:34.980 their opening sentence is and i quote

01:30:37.800 seems like the boomer is falling asleep in

01:30:40.680 the crowd there

01:30:41.420 you know this ain't your fight boomer you

01:30:44.400 failed us on this

01:30:45.540 uh you allowed this to be rooted from our

01:30:48.980 universities because not enough of you

01:30:50.720 stood up

01:30:51.380 i know some of you were cool like james

01:30:53.900 watson philip rushton but

01:30:55.940 not enough of you stood up so now it's up to

01:30:59.040 zoomers to bring it back or i'm a millennial

01:31:02.420 but i and i identify as a zoomer

01:31:04.980 to what extent might behavioral differences

01:31:08.120 between social classes and between races

01:31:10.180 be genetically determined 11 pages later and

01:31:14.000 that's a long article in scientific american

01:31:15.780 they conclude and again i quote the question

01:31:19.100 of a possible genetic basis for the race

01:31:21.100 iq difference will be almost impossible to

01:31:23.840 answer satisfactorily before the environmental

01:31:26.360 differences between u.s blacks and whites whites have been substantially

01:31:29.860 reduced there is no good case for encouraging the support of studies of

01:31:34.660 this kind on either theoretical or practical grounds end of quote

01:31:38.400 they point out the hazards of suppression of scientific inquiry

01:31:42.100 so there you have it he's using the appeal to authority

01:31:45.880 oh we already have experts who say that this is no good

01:31:50.000 okay like you could still have this discussion you could still

01:31:55.760 let the debate go out in public so that people could see it

01:31:59.780 so that everyone can analyze it not just write back and forth to each other

01:32:04.000 in these academic journals where most people aren't going to read them

01:32:08.060 and of course they're going to have some expert debunking it

01:32:12.300 so and then they'll get rid of any conversation after that

01:32:16.320 because then they could always just go back to oh this expert said that

01:32:19.540 it's the appeal to authority

01:32:21.320 you know why don't we all just listen to fauci

01:32:25.700 and uh take whatever fauci said

01:32:28.180 whatever he whatever he was told to say that month

01:32:31.840 and we'll take that as gospel

01:32:33.240 harking all the way back to galileo

01:32:37.240 but they also remind us that scientists already accept

01:32:40.620 imposed limits for example on experimentation and people

01:32:43.680 we don't say no we have to have academic freedom to treat

01:32:46.200 or use new drugs and test them on people

01:32:47.780 or inject viruses into people without

01:32:49.860 complying with certain requirements

01:32:51.600 how ironic just after i said fauci he says that

01:32:56.220 and you know him having a debate with this guy

01:32:58.980 is akin to human experimentation

01:33:01.360 it's literally mengala

01:33:04.320 this debate is literally dr joseph mengala

01:33:07.440 injecting things into people's eyeballs

01:33:10.160 six million eyeballs

01:33:13.660 or even increasingly on animals

01:33:15.560 we subscribe to certain rules and regulations on that

01:33:18.220 bodmer and cavalli sforza

01:33:20.520 finally conclude and i quote

01:33:22.460 in the present racial climate of the u.s

01:33:25.260 studies on racial differences in iq

01:33:27.240 however well intentioned

01:33:29.060 could easily be misinterpreted as a form of racism

01:33:31.540 and lead to an unnecessary accentuation of racial tensions

01:33:34.880 as if the racial tensions aren't already high enough

01:33:38.700 by saying that it's because of racism

01:33:41.420 that this is all happening

01:33:42.740 but no having this debate is going to cause racial tension

01:33:47.180 you're the ones who are making this racially tense

01:33:50.140 doesn't have to be this way

01:33:52.380 since we believe that for the present at least

01:33:55.320 no good case can be made for such studies

01:33:57.640 on either scientific or practical grounds

01:33:59.740 we do not see any point

01:34:01.540 in encouraging the use of public funds

01:34:03.660 for their support

01:34:04.460 there are many more useful biological problems

01:34:07.220 for the scientists to attack

01:34:08.560 ashley says

01:34:14.060 mr miyagi needs to stick to karate

01:34:16.940 this is a very cautious and conservative statement

01:34:19.440 believe me and i concur with it

01:34:21.020 racial tensions have not been substantially changed

01:34:23.740 over the past two decades

01:34:24.820 yet rushton is claiming

01:34:26.280 what bodmer and cavalli sforza clearly show

01:34:28.640 cannot be proved

01:34:29.760 why then does he persist

01:34:31.900 i don't know if he's a racist

01:34:33.840 or what his motives are

01:34:34.880 i don't know him and i don't care

01:34:36.600 but one can only infer

01:34:39.120 on the basis of what geneticists have written

01:34:41.100 that he is either grossly ignorant

01:34:42.960 or deliberately mischievous

01:34:44.420 either way

01:34:48.460 either way what has to be done

01:34:51.820 is action by scientists and academics

01:34:53.860 his claims must be denounced

01:34:56.140 his methodology discredited

01:34:57.740 his grant revoked

01:34:58.540 and his position terminated at this university

01:35:00.160 this is not science

01:35:01.400 whoa

01:35:02.100 academic freedom right there ladies and gentlemen

01:35:06.260 his position revoked

01:35:08.020 fire that man

01:35:09.940 take away his life's work

01:35:13.260 that's academic freedom for you

01:35:15.960 this study is not just a question of basic research

01:35:20.340 the implications for society are immense

01:35:22.800 i believe that academics must be free to explore ideas

01:35:26.160 that may conflict with existing social values and assumptions

01:35:28.760 but one must do so with a profound sense of responsibility

01:35:31.960 and a constant scrutiny

01:35:33.580 to ensure that minimum academic standards are adhered to

01:35:36.960 adhered to

01:35:37.740 rushton's work fails on all counts

01:35:39.400 and you at the university of washington

01:35:41.260 are besmirched by it

01:35:42.760 it's all your fault dude

01:35:45.540 you're all going to hell

01:35:48.680 you're all going to hell for letting this happen

01:35:50.860 not you though

01:35:52.800 i don't know how like everyone there

01:35:58.300 can just be sickened by this guy

01:36:00.340 i i do feel like people are a bit put off

01:36:04.600 by his calls to censorship

01:36:06.240 and it does win

01:36:08.200 win rushed in some points at the crowd

01:36:10.700 but the fact that they're not booing him out of the building at this point

01:36:14.520 pretty sad

01:36:15.960 i'd like to i'd like to thank dr tzuki for his remarks

01:36:18.320 we now enter the rebuttal portion of the debate

01:36:20.240 speaking first for 10 minutes will be dr rushton

01:36:22.780 well

01:36:26.700 i'd like to say that i'm

01:36:28.860 very disappointed in dr tzuki's

01:36:30.920 i'm very disappointed

01:36:31.920 in dr tzuki's presentation

01:36:34.960 uh dr tzuki says that my ideas on race are

01:36:39.820 too esoteric

01:36:41.400 and he shows however little more than moral outrage

01:36:44.580 he says that people like me should be rooted out

01:36:47.240 and if i heard correctly

01:36:48.860 uh he actually called for me to be fired

01:36:51.080 yep

01:36:51.840 well

01:36:53.840 that is not a scientific argument

01:36:59.220 i don't know but there's very much of substance in what he said that i can respond to

01:37:08.720 he went on about arthur jensen and iq and genetics and completely ignored

01:37:12.460 all the work on two egg twinning

01:37:14.560 and the 60 other variables that i mentioned including the ranking of the three races

01:37:18.700 why is it i have to ask dr tzuki why is it that oriental women

01:37:23.560 double ovulate less often than caucasian women

01:37:26.060 why is it that oriental children take longer to walk than caucasian children

01:37:31.400 why do oriental students score higher than caucasians on iq tests

01:37:37.500 why shouldn't people want to study that if they want to

01:37:40.280 there are a number of ways that members of this audience

01:37:48.280 can test for themselves whether i am right or wrong

01:37:51.280 whether i am a scientist or not

01:37:53.100 first and most easily they can do a literature search in the library

01:37:57.900 all you have to do is go to the reference texts

01:38:01.660 such as index medicus psychological abstracts science citation index and so on

01:38:07.140 most of which by the way are now computerized

01:38:09.280 and plug in the key words such as race and sexuality

01:38:13.320 race and intelligence

01:38:15.380 race and physical maturation

01:38:17.460 and then examine the references that emerge

01:38:19.900 see whether my statements on race

01:38:22.280 are or are not representative of the literature

01:38:25.420 have i been selective

01:38:27.140 judge for yourselves

01:38:28.680 next you can gather data of your own

01:38:32.360 while it certainly may be difficult to gather data using iq tests

01:38:36.260 it is not difficult to collect informal data on social variables

01:38:40.140 for example i have argued that oriental populations are on average less sociable and more cautious than caucasians and blacks with a bit of ingenuity you can probably think up ways to ask questions that measure sociability and cautiousness for sociability ask people how many parties they've been to in the last 14 days let's go now that science right there it literally is

01:39:08.960 maybe a bit of a bit more

01:39:10.180 maybe a bit informal

01:39:10.840 were they large parties

01:39:11.880 how many friends do they have

01:39:14.620 cut to the asians

01:39:16.660 they already know they already know what's good

01:39:19.160 they know they don't go to parties

01:39:21.280 they know they study all the time

01:39:23.260 you know they

01:39:23.880 a party for them

01:39:25.960 were they large parties

01:39:26.460 is a study party

01:39:27.960 how many friends do they have

01:39:29.300 she just shakes her head

01:39:33.120 for cautiousness

01:39:34.480 suzuki knows suzuki knows

01:39:36.880 ask people if they always wear a seat belt

01:39:41.620 don't limit yourself to one question ask many questions what an absolute chad get a

01:39:49.240 representative score if you think that this is absolutely crazy to suggest do the studies do

01:39:55.020 it scientifically learn how to do the methodology and then show that the rank ordering that i

01:39:58.940 predict will occur show that it does not occur that's science that disproves me moral invective

01:40:04.780 that my opponent has shown doesn't add very much to anything

01:40:08.900 indeed even intelligence yeah suzuki remembers that he wasn't invited to parties

01:40:19.060 and right here we could see why

01:40:21.460 indeed even intelligence and brain size can be examined

01:40:28.800 take a tape measure yes let's go around people's heads

01:40:36.980 yes measure that skull let's go oh sorry my sound effect is glitching

01:40:45.800 hold on

01:40:48.820 measure that skull measure that skull

01:40:53.980 excuse me sir we're gonna have to examine your cranium

01:40:58.220 yeah yep yep it's first it's for science

01:41:02.880 let's hear what he has to say put it around people's heads

01:41:10.260 measure the head circumference

01:41:17.260 okay now we have this guy i think that this guy in the crowd that we see here

01:41:32.500 um first of all let's just inspect his physiognomy i wish i could zoom in but uh

01:41:39.820 i don't know he looks like a doppelganger for george soros

01:41:43.500 which uh i don't think it's a coincidence that he's in this crowd causing a bit of a ruckus

01:41:49.680 and we see him over and over again throughout this uh throughout this whole debate

01:41:54.440 so uh interesting character i feel like he might be the handlers

01:41:59.020 for some of these people are there

01:42:01.480 like whatever ngo that he works for

01:42:05.320 works with uh a lot of the people who are against rushton

01:42:08.480 it is a very crude measure indeed

01:42:18.100 but try after you've collected that data relating it to the grades that the students get

01:42:27.400 now i admit you will have to have a large sample

01:42:30.380 and i admit you may even have to take body size into account

01:42:34.260 i have done the study twice myself and i

01:42:38.220 i have found a small positive correlation between

01:42:43.420 head size measured externally from around the head

01:42:47.440 and iq test scores and grades

01:42:50.500 laugh if you want to

01:42:52.500 oh there we go

01:42:55.000 the handler let's call him

01:43:01.820 the handler just piped up

01:43:03.960 grabbed his crotch and asked him to measure it

01:43:07.560 laugh if you want to

01:43:08.680 let's go

01:43:10.080 come measure his dick

01:43:13.460 laugh and uh make as much ridicule as you like

01:43:22.820 but the best way to show me that i'm wrong

01:43:25.220 now this is a debate

01:43:26.300 like am i right

01:43:27.700 people grabbing their dicks in the crowd and yelling out to come measure them

01:43:32.040 you don't see that very often in academia these days

01:43:36.040 is to do the study

01:43:37.420 that old guy has a small head

01:43:39.420 i don't know we gotta measure it

01:43:41.540 although getting a handle on genetics is much more difficult

01:43:46.260 there may even be ways to do this

01:43:48.660 ask people

01:43:50.360 who have achieved well

01:43:52.060 let us say university students or their fathers

01:43:54.820 okay

01:44:00.120 okay come on camera guy

01:44:03.300 real funny camera guy

01:44:07.000 as soon as he says fathers

01:44:09.020 you zoom right in on the only group of like five black people together

01:44:14.540 five black males

01:44:16.600 come on

01:44:17.960 that was uncalled for

01:44:19.600 ugh

01:44:20.800 well you know you love to see it

01:44:23.680 fathers

01:44:25.500 oh shit

01:44:31.360 yo why they pointing the camera at me blood

01:44:35.280 now ask

01:44:36.480 whether that target person's

01:44:38.540 next youngest brother

01:44:40.420 did as well

01:44:41.880 oh wait

01:44:43.540 wait

01:44:45.160 there is a genetic prediction to be made

01:44:47.440 the genetic prediction

01:44:49.120 is that oriental brothers

01:44:50.820 will be more similar

01:44:52.300 in high achievement

01:44:53.720 than say

01:44:55.220 caucasian brothers

01:44:56.340 that is

01:44:57.900 there will be less

01:44:59.020 statistical regression

01:45:00.420 to a low population mean

01:45:02.700 the main point i'm trying to make

01:45:05.940 is that this is a scientifically

01:45:07.920 researchable area

01:45:09.340 that has not been researched for a long time

01:45:11.540 because of political

01:45:12.960 arguments

01:45:14.080 such as the kind that

01:45:15.260 we've heard from dr suzuki

01:45:16.560 and i'm suggesting that it is perfectly scientifically respectable

01:45:19.380 and you all if you want to

01:45:21.460 can do that kind of study yourselves

01:45:23.080 thank you

01:45:23.980 my position was very clear

01:45:32.220 i didn't choose to discuss the the points he raised

01:45:35.120 because i i tried to point out very clearly

01:45:37.240 that bodmer and cavalli sforza

01:45:38.520 indicate that the genetic relationship

01:45:41.660 or the correlation of the genetic basis

01:45:43.840 that allows comparison between races

01:45:45.840 is simply not possible

01:45:47.040 and i did not hear you rebut that in any way

01:45:49.360 and that is the definitive work

01:45:50.880 now rushton demands that his work be addressed as legitimate science

01:45:55.000 if this is representative research in psychology

01:45:57.980 then i think psychologists ought to really tremble about that

01:46:00.580 first of all the concept of race

01:46:02.580 has long been discarded as a meaningful biological category

01:46:06.280 there's more variation genetically within a so-called race

01:46:10.000 than there is between the means of the two groups

01:46:12.760 that's an interesting point because the racial classifications

01:46:18.500 have been somewhat discarded by uh anthropology

01:46:23.500 by big anthro you might say

01:46:25.800 and i have this book here

01:46:27.520 the cultural critique

01:46:28.920 maybe i'll go full screen for a second

01:46:31.220 and it talks about how

01:46:33.600 uh... throughout the nineteen hundreds

01:46:36.860 in chapter two here

01:46:38.360 it's chapter two is

01:46:40.160 the boasian school of anthropology

01:46:43.280 and the decline of darwinism

01:46:45.240 in the social sciences

01:46:46.580 so i'll just read out like the first paragraph of that page

01:46:50.620 kind of show you how uh...

01:46:55.000 you know these darwinian theories

01:46:56.480 at around the time of world war ii especially

01:46:59.360 they went out of fashion

01:47:01.160 and now

01:47:01.860 you know racial classifications

01:47:03.780 which once was science

01:47:05.640 has now fallen to the wayside

01:47:07.360 so the beginning of this chapter says

01:47:10.420 several writers have commented on the radical changes

01:47:13.280 that incurred

01:47:14.440 that occurred in the goals and methods

01:47:16.080 of the social sciences

01:47:17.580 consequent to the entry of jews

01:47:20.220 to those fields

01:47:21.320 they note that the shift away from darwinism

01:47:25.640 as the fundamental paradigm of the social sciences

01:47:28.460 resulted from an ideological shift

01:47:30.840 rather than from the emergence of any new empirical data

01:47:34.340 he also notes that jewish intellectuals

01:47:36.980 have been instrumental in the decline of darwinism

01:47:39.780 and other biological perspectives

01:47:41.720 in american social science

01:47:43.620 since the 1930s

01:47:45.140 the opposition of jewish intellectuals

01:47:47.660 to darwinism

01:47:48.540 has long been noticed

01:47:49.860 and yeah

01:47:51.660 it's a very interesting book

01:47:53.580 it's uh...

01:47:55.060 very uh...

01:47:56.780 cites a lot of different works

01:47:58.260 in order to prove its hypothesis

01:47:59.920 so i just wanted to say that

01:48:02.340 in other words

01:48:04.480 culture of critique

01:48:06.920 by kevin mcdonald

01:48:08.220 you might need to find it on some alternative book site

01:48:11.340 because it's been taken down off of amazon

01:48:13.460 and

01:48:14.160 i believe

01:48:15.140 almost every other mainstream

01:48:17.320 uh... book press these days

01:48:19.560 in other words

01:48:20.720 there are very few genes involved

01:48:22.640 in making us racially distinct

01:48:24.500 under oriental

01:48:26.560 we include not just japanese

01:48:28.260 chinese

01:48:28.980 filipinos

01:48:29.940 indonesians

01:48:30.660 but inuit

01:48:31.200 and amerindians

01:48:32.240 now inuit and amerindians

01:48:34.580 are the most recent derivatives

01:48:35.800 from the chinese or the japanese populations

01:48:37.980 but they kind of mess up rushton's idea

01:48:40.180 of this progressive relationship

01:48:41.420 so how does he

01:48:42.480 so what does he deal

01:48:44.500 how does he deal with that

01:48:45.360 he says

01:48:45.620 how do you deal with that

01:48:47.300 how do you deal with that

01:48:48.400 i want to know

01:48:49.280 what

01:48:49.820 how

01:48:51.100 that might make the theory wrong

01:48:52.860 obviously it is an anomaly

01:48:54.440 so how can you explain

01:48:56.500 why don't you give some data that

01:48:59.020 shows that his

01:49:00.260 theory is wrong as a whole

01:49:02.240 instead of poking holes in it

01:49:03.840 and then doing nothing about it

01:49:05.160 and saying that

01:49:05.740 that disproves everything

01:49:07.000 provide an alternative theory

01:49:09.540 well they're an anomaly

01:49:12.700 boy with that kind of selectivity

01:49:14.760 i could prove anything

01:49:15.820 are whites a homogeneous group

01:49:20.060 i've just come back from brazil

01:49:21.080 and man those are white people down there

01:49:22.960 they are also

01:49:23.880 they're also east indians

01:49:25.000 who are aryans

01:49:25.780 arabs

01:49:26.420 as well as all of the europeans and americans

01:49:28.300 is that some kind of homogeneous group

01:49:30.540 what the hell does white mean

01:49:32.080 you could say the same about

01:49:33.800 so now obfuscate

01:49:35.500 what is already obvious

01:49:36.820 to everyone

01:49:37.880 just intuitively

01:49:39.500 blacks

01:49:41.200 we know that blacks in north america

01:49:44.220 have a lot of white genes in there as well

01:49:46.080 there's been a lot of crossbreeding there

01:49:48.660 what

01:49:48.840 is that why

01:49:50.160 is that maybe partly why

01:49:52.180 the average iq of blacks in america is 85

01:49:54.880 compared to around 70 or so

01:49:57.660 in africa

01:49:58.400 does it mean to say

01:50:01.540 these races mean something

01:50:03.280 and the classes that russian thinks are somehow

01:50:06.800 biologically meaningful

01:50:08.160 litter size

01:50:09.540 why not just say family size

01:50:11.160 is it supposed to mean that we're like animals

01:50:13.280 i mean if we go

01:50:14.240 yes yes

01:50:14.980 yes it does

01:50:15.840 that's exactly what it means

01:50:17.700 study the quebecois in quebec

01:50:21.140 before and after the quiet revolution

01:50:22.900 jean chretien came from a family of over 17

01:50:25.400 that wasn't unusual

01:50:26.920 the enormous impact of religion and environment

01:50:29.380 on litter size

01:50:30.920 i mean how are we supposed to take this seriously

01:50:33.080 uh yeah you definitely should take it seriously

01:50:36.560 that's an excellent question

01:50:38.500 we all know that the quebecois

01:50:40.700 uh the people who came

01:50:42.620 into quebec

01:50:44.180 uh from france

01:50:45.400 new france

01:50:46.440 they had

01:50:48.180 massive fertility

01:50:50.120 in fact canada was largely created on the anglos

01:50:52.880 and especially the french

01:50:54.100 who had

01:50:55.080 massive amounts of children

01:50:57.440 in fact there was actually

01:51:00.020 very little immigration

01:51:01.840 for hundreds of years

01:51:03.580 and it was just them reproducing

01:51:05.580 fucking like rabbits

01:51:07.320 now why did they do that

01:51:10.280 how does that

01:51:11.000 where does that fall in the r

01:51:12.260 in the k spectrum

01:51:13.200 because they definitely created a society

01:51:16.060 that is more adapted

01:51:17.640 to like the k strategy

01:51:19.760 but they used an r strategy

01:51:21.640 of having lots of sex

01:51:24.640 and procreating

01:51:25.540 to do it

01:51:26.700 so why don't we figure out

01:51:29.040 what this combination is

01:51:30.580 instead you just use it

01:51:31.720 to tear down something

01:51:32.740 that you don't like

01:51:33.700 law breaking

01:51:35.680 and family closeness

01:51:36.700 and sexual behavior

01:51:37.680 has he looked at first

01:51:38.620 second and third generation

01:51:39.960 immigrants to north america

01:51:41.140 what is it

01:51:42.160 what is their behavior

01:51:42.900 as they become different people

01:51:44.260 from the original color

01:51:45.140 slice cube says

01:51:46.720 they might surrender

01:51:47.600 but they never pull out

01:51:49.460 very true

01:51:51.520 of the french

01:51:52.260 in which

01:51:52.940 their parents grew up

01:51:54.300 and if there is a genetic basis

01:51:55.900 what do you

01:51:56.280 what do you do about intermarriage

01:51:57.220 what happens with the offspring there

01:51:58.540 is there any kind of dominance

01:51:59.640 do they behave more like orientals

01:52:01.440 than like whites

01:52:02.140 yeah it's uh

01:52:03.780 i forget what it's called

01:52:04.820 um

01:52:05.480 i know uh

01:52:08.060 yeah there are dominant genes

01:52:09.600 yes

01:52:10.020 what happens to white people

01:52:11.260 that go and live in japan or china

01:52:12.600 are they uh

01:52:13.860 as aggressive and loud

01:52:14.960 and crying and criminal

01:52:15.920 as uh

01:52:16.440 as people over here

01:52:17.260 my bet is that uh

01:52:19.120 the behavior of people

01:52:20.100 in intermarriages

01:52:20.900 uh

01:52:21.360 or interracial crosses

01:52:22.440 depends on the forcefulness

01:52:23.780 of either parent

01:52:24.880 which one they resemble

01:52:25.660 and not race

01:52:26.420 the overwhelming impression

01:52:28.220 of just looking at immigrants

01:52:29.460 is the incredible plasticity

01:52:32.040 of human beings

01:52:32.880 indeed it is our adaptability

01:52:34.960 to new situations

01:52:35.820 that is a major survival attribute

01:52:37.580 of our species

01:52:38.560 not a rigid genetically programmed

01:52:40.200 fate and behavior

01:52:41.300 richard lewanton of harvard

01:52:43.200 has pointed out

01:52:44.120 that if you want a genetic basis

01:52:45.740 for complex human behavior

01:52:47.100 by looking at pedigrees

01:52:48.180 the best case that we have

01:52:50.040 for the inheritance

01:52:51.020 from parents to offspring

01:52:52.160 of a human behavior

01:52:53.760 is which party you vote for

01:52:55.240 in elections

01:52:55.720 and your religious affiliation

01:52:57.120 what a retard

01:52:59.580 who you vote for

01:53:01.600 is the

01:53:02.600 the only thing

01:53:04.000 you could deduce

01:53:05.160 from genetic behavior

01:53:06.660 what

01:53:08.260 no

01:53:10.160 like

01:53:11.480 no

01:53:12.500 other than that

01:53:14.560 there isn't a hell of a lot

01:53:15.540 and yet we're extrapolating

01:53:16.820 to all of these

01:53:17.480 airy fairy things

01:53:18.280 like uh

01:53:18.960 human behavior

01:53:19.580 and lawlessness

01:53:20.120 and so on

01:53:20.600 poverty and all

01:53:21.220 poverty and discrimination

01:53:22.500 are not

01:53:22.980 are supposed to somehow

01:53:23.840 be subordinated

01:53:24.660 to this genetic imperative

01:53:26.460 come on let's get serious

01:53:27.640 in view of the

01:53:29.180 enormous variation

01:53:31.100 within races

01:53:31.860 within a race

01:53:33.020 to use

01:53:33.460 within a category

01:53:34.380 called a race

01:53:34.920 to use only three categories

01:53:36.100 white black and oriental

01:53:37.240 and then select very much

01:53:39.120 the data that fit

01:53:39.960 this so-called progression

01:53:41.100 you know

01:53:42.080 it's kind of like saying

01:53:42.920 I saw

01:53:43.300 I was in South America

01:53:44.720 and all South Americans

01:53:45.540 walk in

01:53:46.000 walk in line

01:53:46.720 that is a two that I saw do

01:53:48.040 doesn't mean very much

01:53:49.700 rushton

01:53:53.920 rushton implies

01:53:55.220 that there is a direction

01:53:56.160 or progressive change

01:53:57.280 in evolution

01:53:57.760 from big penises

01:53:59.060 to smaller ones

01:53:59.940 from promiscuity

01:54:01.160 to fidelity

01:54:01.800 from small brains

01:54:03.020 to big brains

01:54:03.640 there's no such thing

01:54:04.880 species

01:54:05.980 the species only

01:54:07.400 imperative in evolution

01:54:08.480 is to pass genes on

01:54:09.540 to another generation

01:54:10.320 by whatever means

01:54:11.480 thus the degeneration

01:54:12.700 of the eyes

01:54:13.480 in a blind cave newt

01:54:14.480 is just as progressive

01:54:15.740 as the increase

01:54:16.420 in brain size

01:54:17.100 of a mammal

01:54:17.560 there's no progression

01:54:18.600 evolution uses

01:54:19.960 whatever happens

01:54:20.640 to be there

01:54:21.240 finally rushton

01:54:22.760 makes a very

01:54:23.460 then how do we

01:54:26.160 progress

01:54:26.860 to where we are

01:54:27.900 now

01:54:28.320 by the way

01:54:30.380 I love all this talk

01:54:31.240 about blind newts

01:54:32.380 and big and small

01:54:33.140 penises

01:54:33.600 now this is

01:54:34.880 fucking science

01:54:35.760 this is a debate

01:54:37.780 one that I'm afraid

01:54:38.920 will be made

01:54:39.400 increasingly

01:54:39.820 by his brothers

01:54:40.900 a molecular biologist

01:54:41.920 and that is

01:54:43.480 he has collected

01:54:44.300 and many argue

01:54:45.160 that he has highly

01:54:45.880 selected his data

01:54:47.000 to conform to an idea

01:54:48.740 he claims to show

01:54:50.120 a collection of traits

01:54:51.020 that correlate

01:54:51.500 with the evolutionary

01:54:52.240 appearance of races

01:54:53.280 but going from

01:54:54.680 correlation

01:54:55.400 to causal relationship

01:54:57.220 is totally unwarranted

01:54:58.680 it's as if you studied

01:55:00.100 people with lung cancer

01:55:01.440 and discovered

01:55:01.920 that 80%

01:55:02.760 of people with lung cancer

01:55:04.460 have stained fingers

01:55:05.440 and teeth

01:55:05.940 and then conclude

01:55:06.960 that stained fingers

01:55:07.800 and teeth

01:55:08.200 cause cancer

01:55:08.960 absolutely retarded

01:55:12.920 oh cause correlation

01:55:14.840 what came first

01:55:16.140 the chicken

01:55:16.660 or the egg

01:55:17.440 ha ha ha

01:55:18.140 like

01:55:18.800 we're

01:55:20.140 I don't know exactly

01:55:21.340 how to explain

01:55:22.040 how stupid that is

01:55:23.080 but it

01:55:23.440 you know

01:55:24.040 cause and effect

01:55:24.940 at a certain point

01:55:25.720 can become one

01:55:26.500 and the same thing

01:55:27.320 and it could be

01:55:28.600 interwoven to everything

01:55:29.820 that he's talking

01:55:30.600 about before

01:55:31.300 in fact

01:55:32.840 it probably

01:55:33.500 discredits his argument

01:55:35.280 more

01:55:35.620 that he's using

01:55:36.400 this cause and correlation

01:55:37.560 thing

01:55:37.880 if you actually look

01:55:38.640 into the facts

01:55:39.280 about it

01:55:39.820 well I could go on

01:55:44.880 the word

01:55:45.180 over these data

01:55:46.640 they simply are not

01:55:47.760 worth dwelling on

01:55:48.500 because they seem

01:55:49.200 to give legitimacy

01:55:50.160 to what he's claiming

01:55:51.200 your response

01:55:52.140 to some of the stuff

01:55:52.820 he was saying

01:55:53.200 is I mean

01:55:53.940 I think is indicative

01:55:55.200 of that we must

01:55:56.240 look at this

01:55:56.740 and simply say

01:55:57.400 this isn't science

01:55:58.360 for god's sake

01:55:59.640 if you're serious

01:56:00.240 about this

01:56:00.780 do all of the

01:56:01.620 proper controls

01:56:02.240 do all of the

01:56:02.800 other analyses

01:56:03.400 about interracial

01:56:04.640 marriage

01:56:04.900 about successive

01:56:05.500 generations growing

01:56:06.320 up in different

01:56:06.760 countries

01:56:07.080 before you even

01:56:08.000 dare to make

01:56:08.520 such outrageous

01:56:09.040 statements

01:56:09.460 thank you

01:56:10.040 yeah do all

01:56:11.900 that science

01:56:12.480 that we won't

01:56:13.080 let you do

01:56:13.620 before you ever

01:56:14.320 speak about it

01:56:15.180 okay

01:56:15.800 thank you

01:56:16.900 and all the

01:56:21.080 seals clap

01:56:21.840 all right

01:56:30.140 it's gonna get

01:56:30.920 into the question

01:56:31.960 and answer period

01:56:32.940 there's about

01:56:33.500 ten questions

01:56:34.220 here and it

01:56:34.840 really starts to

01:56:35.500 get funny

01:56:36.020 gets a bit spicy

01:56:37.440 here

01:56:37.860 I'm gonna take

01:56:38.740 a quick break

01:56:39.440 I'll play some

01:56:40.920 more classical

01:56:41.520 music

01:56:41.940 only gonna be

01:56:42.620 about two or

01:56:43.120 three minutes

01:56:43.580 this guy here

01:56:45.720 is a total unit

01:56:46.700 somebody

01:56:47.540 what did they

01:56:48.580 say he looked

01:56:49.180 like in the chat

01:56:49.900 what does this

01:56:51.120 guy look like

01:56:51.800 he has quite a

01:56:52.940 peculiar look

01:56:54.040 but you know

01:56:54.900 I think he's

01:56:55.360 kind of based

01:56:55.960 you know

01:56:56.320 he's the one

01:56:57.080 trying to hold

01:56:57.580 this down

01:56:58.140 he's like the

01:56:59.160 leader of the

01:56:59.620 debate team

01:57:00.260 or something

01:57:00.700 he wants to

01:57:01.940 get to the

01:57:02.340 bottom of this

01:57:03.060 so much respect

01:57:04.160 to this

01:57:04.980 Chad young

01:57:05.700 white man

01:57:06.300 we will be

01:57:09.420 taking questions

01:57:10.040 sequentially from

01:57:10.880 mics one through

01:57:11.520 four

01:57:11.920 if you please

01:57:13.400 form a line

01:57:13.960 behind a

01:57:14.420 microphone

01:57:14.720 if you're

01:57:15.060 interested in

01:57:15.480 asking a

01:57:15.820 question

01:57:16.060 a young

01:57:16.400 John Candy

01:57:17.120 somebody said

01:57:18.420 a young AJ

01:57:19.140 who's AJ

01:57:19.960 he looks

01:57:21.780 like baby

01:57:22.520 face

01:57:23.040 isn't baby

01:57:24.920 face like a

01:57:25.600 black rapper

01:57:26.440 or singer

01:57:27.100 Rosie O'Donnell

01:57:29.740 I don't know

01:57:31.660 I think the

01:57:33.020 apple falls

01:57:33.700 pretty far

01:57:34.220 from the tree

01:57:34.840 at least

01:57:35.380 personality wise

01:57:36.420 if that's the

01:57:36.980 case

01:57:37.340 Brooker T

01:57:38.520 someone says

01:57:39.560 Rittenhouse's

01:57:42.560 grandfather

01:57:43.100 okay that's

01:57:43.780 pretty good

01:57:44.320 oh baby

01:57:46.680 face was a

01:57:47.260 bank robber

01:57:47.920 okay well

01:57:48.800 anyways I'm

01:57:49.600 gonna put on

01:57:50.460 some music

01:57:51.000 again we're

01:57:51.620 gonna get a

01:57:52.260 classy we're

01:57:54.160 now at

01:57:54.820 part two of

01:57:58.580 Robert Schumann's

01:57:59.640 piano quintet

01:58:01.480 in E flat

01:58:02.080 major

01:58:02.600 op 44

01:58:04.200 so this is

01:58:05.540 operation number

01:58:06.520 44

01:58:07.300 il in moto

01:58:08.760 dun marcia

01:58:09.720 un poco

01:58:10.400 largamente

01:58:11.280 gonna play it

01:58:12.320 for a couple

01:58:12.680 minutes while we

01:58:13.580 take a quick

01:58:14.040 break and we'll

01:58:14.580 be right back

01:58:15.200 no it means

01:58:35.840 operation not

01:58:36.900 opus

01:58:37.480 I'm the

01:58:38.620 intellectual here

01:58:39.620 you don't know

01:58:41.020 what you're talking

01:58:41.540 about anonymous

01:58:42.240 all right we'll

01:58:44.020 be right back

01:58:45.200 we're

01:58:49.720 we're

01:58:51.880 we're

01:58:52.820 we're

01:58:53.680 we're

01:58:53.840 we're

01:58:56.120 we're

01:58:57.880 we're

01:58:58.060 we're

01:59:00.580 we're

01:59:01.000 we're

01:59:03.720 we've

01:59:05.860 we're

01:59:06.180 we're

01:59:07.220 we're

01:59:08.660 we're

01:59:09.240 we don't

01:59:10.160 we're

01:59:11.220 we're

01:59:12.640 we're

01:59:13.340 we're

01:59:13.680 Thank you.

01:59:43.680 Thank you.

02:00:13.680 Thank you.

02:00:43.680 Thank you.

02:01:13.680 Thank you.

02:01:43.680 Thank you.

02:02:14.380 All right, and we're back.

02:02:15.940 Nice little music break there.

02:02:19.340 And now we're going to get to the question and answer period of this debate.

02:02:23.020 It's going to get real spicy from here on in.

02:02:25.260 Let's see what people are saying in the chat.

02:02:27.180 By the way, you guys can feel free to donate on Entropy, Rumble, or even Odyssey.

02:02:32.500 If you want to say anything that you want to say anything that you want me to read out or just any tips are appreciated.

02:02:39.280 I think I missed one from Scarecrow.

02:02:41.500 He said, I could have made out like a bandit.

02:02:43.340 I have no idea what that's referring to, but I have no idea what that's referring to, but thanks for the support there.

02:02:47.780 Somebody asked, who's your favorite black classical artist?

02:03:00.420 Who's your favorite black classical artist?

02:03:02.460 And somebody asked, is there any?

02:03:05.100 He says, ha ha, don't think so.

02:03:08.760 All white and Asian.

02:03:09.800 I'm pretty sure that most classical music artists, at least historically, before like the 1900s, were almost all white.

02:03:19.760 And we all know that the Asians, who's so good at playing piano and especially violin, you know, they're great musicians, but they're just really interested in the classics made by Europeans.

02:03:32.540 And they're really good at performing them and, you know, repeating them.

02:03:36.080 But it was the creative mind of the white man that originally created these pieces and revolutionized them.

02:03:44.760 So, of course, the Asian is going to be really good at, what is it, playing Dragon Force on Guitar Hero on Expert and hitting every single note.

02:03:54.380 You know, he's going to be good at that.

02:03:55.680 But it was our ancestors, the white man, who created these masterpieces in the first place.

02:04:01.700 Not to say that we're superior, though.

02:04:06.860 It's just the way things happen.

02:04:10.020 Oh, man.

02:04:10.780 I'm glad to share it with the rest of the world.

02:04:14.600 You're welcome.

02:04:17.400 I mean, I didn't have anything to do with it, but, you know, I play a little piano from time to time.

02:04:24.860 Anyways, let's get back into it.

02:04:26.460 John Candy Jr. here.

02:04:32.520 Set us up.

02:04:33.320 Dr. Rushton, I'm a student of neither psychology nor of genetics, but I am a student of science.

02:04:45.980 And the first thing I teach in the ninth grade is that when you're conducting an experiment, the most important factor is the control of variables.

02:04:51.780 Now, in your research, the point where you get to make the strongest case for the isolation of genetics, aside from a socioeconomic condition, is the adoption of black children into white families.

02:05:02.740 But nowhere in your paper have I seen any data which shows the effects of adoption on white children and white middle-class families.

02:05:09.900 There are a lot of emotional and sociological problems that exist with adopted children.

02:05:14.440 Where did those factors come into play in your decision?

02:05:16.500 There are hundreds of adoption studies.

02:05:24.160 I'm sorry I only mentioned one.

02:05:26.000 And most of those adoption studies, in fact, have been carried out on white children.

02:05:30.980 Some of the ones that are coming out of Scandinavia literally have thousands of children who are adopted.

02:05:36.080 And the findings are, it doesn't matter whether you look at longevity, for example, which just came out in the New England Journal of Medicine.

02:05:41.240 Obesity, for example, also came out in the New England Journal of Medicine.

02:05:44.420 And what they show on thousands of children is that the best predictor of whether you are obese or not and whether you die early, for example, before the age of 55, is the biological parent that you had who you never saw, or at least after the first six months of your life.

02:06:01.960 And absolutely no prediction occurs from knowledge of the adopting parent.

02:06:06.840 I don't mean to interrupt, but how did white children adopt?

02:06:09.200 Interesting.

02:06:11.200 So your birth parents' propensity for obesity predictates or is the greatest indicator of even the adopted child's future for that.

02:06:26.000 ...opted into white middle-class families, specifically score on IQ tests and other tests of intelligence and temperament.

02:06:31.440 Exactly the same thing as for longevity and for obesity.

02:06:34.120 With IQ test scores and for educational achievement, it is compatible with a high heritability.

02:06:38.480 Biological parents are the best predictors of how children perform, not the parents who bring them up for 17 or 20 years.

02:06:45.180 It's a quite amazing finding, and it's a new finding, because the first few studies that came out of those adoption studies looked at children when they were 7 or 10 or 13 years of age.

02:06:53.860 And when those studies were published, it really looked like the upbringing environment was important.

02:06:58.120 Now the longer-term studies have been done when these children are 17, 20, and 25, and what you find is that around puberty, around 13 or 14 years of age, the genotype takes over.

02:07:07.280 And the adopting parent, the parent who raises the child, no longer has an effect on that child, but the biological parent still continues to exert an effect via the genes.

02:07:18.100 So it's just compatible with a high heritability for IQ.

02:07:21.460 Look, you have to be very, very careful in this kind of discussion.

02:07:24.420 I mean, who the hell would ever argue with what he just said?

02:07:27.020 You know, that's not surprising. He may have been surprised.

02:07:29.180 That's not surprising that genes affect the appearance of various characteristics.

02:07:33.180 But it's one thing to talk about obesity.

02:07:36.320 It's a very different thing to say that you're color-coded somehow to be a criminal when you get older, on average.

02:07:41.460 And damn it all, I've just said over and over, you cannot make that statement because you can't control for the environmental effects of racism.

02:07:48.300 So don't legitimate the discussion by listening to this stuff about the inheritance in adopted families and all that.

02:07:54.080 Let's be careful and focus on what the issue is.

02:07:57.200 Look.

02:08:03.180 Spurging out more about racism again.

02:08:06.380 Sorry, I'm eating some garlic bread right now.

02:08:08.220 I'm extremely hungry.

02:08:09.620 But I don't want you to hear my garlic bread mukbang.

02:08:14.060 So I'm going to stop now.

02:08:16.040 I'm going to focus on this.

02:08:17.280 You simply cannot control for racism is all I'm saying.

02:08:44.360 So that that kind of distinction, what is it of 60% or 80%, you can't do it.

02:08:50.400 And the point is, what difference does it have?

02:08:52.840 Who cares?

02:08:53.840 It's not a legitimate scientific question.

02:08:56.460 You cannot prove one way or the other.

02:08:59.200 So why persist?

02:09:01.000 That's the question.

02:09:02.020 He is going to chop the stand in half.

02:09:04.200 He's getting very exasperated.

02:09:06.920 He's getting very angry.

02:09:08.540 He's chimping out or whatever the Asian version is.

02:09:11.840 I don't know, whatever Asian monkey there is.

02:09:14.660 He's doing a chimp out at that version.

02:09:17.800 And the more that he gets exasperated and angry, the more his mask slips, the more he

02:09:23.960 shows that he's not actually about academic freedom.

02:09:27.100 And he's about shutting down this debate.

02:09:28.800 Now, Dr. Suzuki's last stand is, who cares?

02:09:38.540 Well, he certainly seemed like he cared for the first 45 minutes, I can tell you that.

02:09:45.800 We'll now take a question from microphone number two.

02:09:50.180 Okay.

02:09:52.360 I'm a minister.

02:09:53.920 I am a minister.

02:09:55.160 Okay, this one's good.

02:09:56.280 This, it starts to get real good here.

02:09:59.320 Okay.

02:10:01.640 I'm a minister.

02:10:07.920 He doesn't know how to use the mic.

02:10:09.780 We're off to a good start.

02:10:11.440 I'm a minister of the United Church in Port Stanley.

02:10:14.080 IQ verified.

02:10:15.460 I must really say that.

02:10:20.440 Oh, a little trouble.

02:10:21.900 I must say that Dr. Rushness, I believe he's crazy in all that he has said.

02:10:28.680 And to begin with, I've written a few things.

02:10:31.500 I'm going to comment a little bit and then ask you a question.

02:10:34.640 I should say that I am glad I got a copy of your so-called research and read through before

02:10:41.560 I came here.

02:10:42.280 It is so offensive and unacademic.

02:10:46.240 And I believe Dr. Suzuki has also said the same thing.

02:10:50.180 It is unacademic and full of inaccuracies that I'm sure that my grade five boy.

02:10:55.800 Mr. Voodoo, minister, witch doctor thinks that this is an illegitimate science because he

02:11:02.560 knows better.

02:11:03.460 Okay.

02:11:04.520 Full of inaccuracies that I'm sure that my grade five boy could have done better.

02:11:11.140 I haven't finished.

02:11:16.260 I compare you to Zundel and Kistra.

02:11:19.900 Wait, I know why I'm saying that.

02:11:22.280 The reason I compare you to both these men is that they claimed, both of them claimed to

02:11:28.340 have made researches as you claim to have made and published or taught.

02:11:34.240 What did he say?

02:11:35.140 He said something back there.

02:11:36.340 Sorry, I was, I saw the, uh, the building of a tower in the chat and I got a little,

02:11:41.540 uh, saw a little construction there.

02:11:44.160 I got a little distracted.

02:11:45.880 Kistra, wait, I haven't finished.

02:11:48.240 I compare you to Zundel and Kistra.

02:11:51.860 Wait, I know why I'm saying that.

02:11:54.600 Okay.

02:11:55.100 So James Kistra, he was a teacher in the 1980s in, I believe, a small town in Alberta.

02:12:02.980 And he was the mayor of the town and he was also a principal and school teacher.

02:12:07.340 And he taught kids what would be considered Holocaust denial.

02:12:11.400 And he got charged under hate, hate crimes legislation for teaching that in the classroom.

02:12:16.460 And he tried to defend himself and, uh, not sure the exact situation and what exactly

02:12:22.440 he said, but there is a movie about it.

02:12:24.680 Actually, it's called evil and clear river.

02:12:26.700 Now I, I might do a watch along with that movie because it is very entertaining.

02:12:31.780 It's some excellent Canadian crap and it stars, what's his name?

02:12:36.160 Uh, the based actor or kind of the base boomer Trump supporter actor, Randy, Randy Quaid.

02:12:43.780 It stars Randy Quaid as the based Holocaust denying teacher, Mr. Subac, but it's all based

02:12:49.420 on, uh, Mr. Kistra and also Zundel.

02:12:53.800 You could go look up Ernst Zundel.

02:12:55.580 He's one of the most prolific, uh, historical, uh, Holocaust revisionists that ever lived.

02:13:03.680 So he had a huge, like clown show trial, uh, in the eighties, nineties.

02:13:09.520 And I think he eventually got deported to Germany where he spent many years in jail for his views.

02:13:14.720 So you can imagine what he's calling for when he brings up names like that.

02:13:22.640 The reason I compare you to be both these men is that they claimed, both of them claimed

02:13:28.540 to have made researches as you claim to have made.

02:13:32.820 And they made researches.

02:13:33.720 Or taught the offensive results of their research.

02:13:37.640 If Zundel could be, could be prosecuted.

02:13:40.800 And if Kistra could be barred from teaching such hateful views, why could you not be prosecuted

02:13:48.140 or barred from teaching your derogatory, unfounded, distasteful so-called research?

02:13:54.520 Is this not a clear indication of the two systems that Canada faces now, one for the powerful

02:14:02.840 and one for the not so powerful?

02:14:05.840 Or is it because you are supported and protected by a university president who even encourages

02:14:12.020 you to teach such views?

02:14:13.560 Very ironic, considering what I showed earlier about them completely denouncing and defaming

02:14:20.640 him after his death like a bunch of cowards.

02:14:23.840 You are the one with power here.

02:14:26.160 You are the one who is getting clapped, getting total applause for saying that this guy should

02:14:32.680 be put in jail.

02:14:34.080 He's barely hanging on by a thread here.

02:14:37.120 This professor is just barely keeping his job, even though what he is doing is actual scientific

02:14:42.780 research, unlike this minister here.

02:14:46.820 You talk about the prevalence of divorce, numerous illegitimate children, and high incidence

02:14:53.260 of crime among the black population in the United States and elsewhere, as compared with

02:14:59.340 other races.

02:15:00.600 You continue to say that this is based on the inherent traits of the black race.

02:15:06.620 Do you know what getwisen people does to the people?

02:15:10.900 Do you know that?

02:15:15.420 Well, is it cause or correlation?

02:15:18.760 Could you please get to your question?

02:15:20.120 The microphones are for questions.

02:15:21.700 Thank you very much.

02:15:22.440 Okay.

02:15:22.760 What I'm saying is I wish you could have studied as part of your research the differences in

02:15:35.620 crime rate, divorce, and others, between blacks in the ghettos and those in the middle and

02:15:41.940 upper classes.

02:15:43.300 There sure is a difference there, and you should have taken that into consideration.

02:15:48.040 I am very...

02:15:48.620 And we see that the rich blacks commit more crimes than the poor whites.

02:15:54.020 We have done...

02:15:55.060 Okay.

02:15:55.920 He's not up to speed, clearly.

02:15:57.280 To conclude, I would just say that my son, who is the only black boy, the only non-white

02:16:12.560 in his class, he's 10 years.

02:16:14.800 He asked me just two nights ago, Daddy, does it mean that I am the dumbest person in my class

02:16:20.120 just because of you?

02:16:22.280 And you know what?

02:16:23.540 He is doing better than a lot of people in his class.

02:16:26.720 Now it is going to have a psychological effect on him just because of your inaccuracies and

02:16:32.860 of your craziness.

02:16:34.320 Thank you.

02:16:35.580 Oh, all because of him.

02:16:38.020 Yes.

02:16:39.840 Big doubt.

02:16:40.940 Big doubt right there.

02:16:42.040 You know, every black five-year-old, uh, sorry, grade, every black, like, 10-year-old

02:16:48.160 goes around thinking about and caring about what some stuffy old professor at a university

02:16:54.100 says about race and IQ.

02:16:57.740 As if he didn't shove it...

02:16:59.380 First of all, this never happened.

02:17:01.420 Second of all, if it did, it's because he shoved it in his kid's face and then made him feel

02:17:05.660 that way, and then misrepresented the argument, saying that that means that he's dumb, even

02:17:10.360 though supposedly he's smarter than the other kids in the class.

02:17:13.360 Well, maybe he is.

02:17:14.140 That's not even what Rushton said.

02:17:16.160 So now he's just traumatizing his own child into his victim narrative, and now broadcasting

02:17:21.940 it to...

02:17:22.660 Broadcasting his total ignorance and, dare I say, child abuse to, you know, the entire

02:17:30.000 world.

02:17:32.540 Real high IQ moves here.

02:17:34.860 Oh, and also, go to jail for your views.

02:17:37.620 Why are you gay?

02:17:41.480 Why do you make my son gay?

02:17:54.020 And, yeah, look at the positioning of the handler character behind him.

02:18:00.940 Yeah, he's proud.

02:18:03.020 He's proud of his pet project there.

02:18:15.220 I guess since there was no question asked there, we'll go to microphone number three.

02:18:19.760 Chad, moderator, with the...

02:18:21.360 I'd like to ask everybody, please, that the microphones are there for questions.

02:18:25.320 Please ask questions and questions only, and you can address them to either of the debaters

02:18:29.940 up here.

02:18:30.300 Thank you.

02:18:31.960 I was going to address my question to Professor Rushton.

02:18:35.000 I was going to originally ask a serious question, but I don't think this debate quite warrants

02:18:39.380 it.

02:18:40.220 So since Professor Rushton is so concerned with correlations between groups, I thought he might

02:18:47.000 answer a question that is at the heart of most Western students.

02:18:50.740 Sir, do blondes really have more fun?

02:18:53.100 Oh, sassy, snap, snap.

02:19:01.440 Real cute.

02:19:02.340 I don't know, but you're probably a bigger whore then.

02:19:10.060 You probably got an R strategy.

02:19:15.480 That's what I'm guessing here.

02:19:20.840 So, can you repeat the question?

02:19:24.900 Sir, any of your studies, or perhaps you might like to undertake a study since you like to

02:19:29.960 study things such as size of penis, testes, vulva, vagina, clitoris, and ovaries.

02:19:34.340 Perhaps you'd like to undertake a study.

02:19:35.320 Measure that vulva.

02:19:36.540 Let's go.

02:19:38.200 Get those ovaries.

02:19:38.880 We're going to inspect your ovaries, and we're going to measure them, okay?

02:19:42.320 This is for science, lady.

02:19:45.100 And yes, we will find out if blondes have more fun.

02:19:48.220 Although, I don't know if it's going to be very fun for you.

02:19:50.720 But yes, we're going to measure all the dicks.

02:19:52.880 We're going to count all the ovums.

02:19:54.700 We're turning over all the ovums.

02:19:58.620 We're going to get to the bottom of this, lady.

02:20:00.960 Study things such as size of penis, testes, vulva, vagina, clitoris, and ovaries.

02:20:05.260 Perhaps you would like to undertake a study of do blondes have more fun?

02:20:11.980 I'll put it on my agenda for things to study.

02:20:14.900 Thanks.

02:20:18.780 It's kind of a funny question, though.

02:20:20.640 I guess we'll go to number four now, please.

02:20:25.520 We don't want this to degenerate.

02:20:28.680 Please keep your questions serious if you can.

02:20:29.240 It's getting pretty degenerate, you're right.

02:20:33.140 My question is for Dr. Suzuki.

02:20:36.500 And you were saying that you didn't want to legitimize his stance by being here

02:20:43.380 and by having this publicized to the public.

02:20:47.640 Now, I'm just wondering if you think that everybody believes what they read in the papers,

02:20:53.880 what anybody tells them, or do they make informed decisions on what is around them

02:20:59.760 and do their parents actually affect what they hear, as in children?

02:21:05.360 And in the case of university students, are we not here to view things from both perspectives?

02:21:12.820 Now, whether he is right or wrong, don't you think we should have information from both sides

02:21:19.320 being university students to make informed decisions, rather you stating your opinion up there?

02:21:25.320 There we go.

02:21:30.220 First, like, somewhat based question of the night.

02:21:33.740 And I applaud her.

02:21:35.080 Like, I don't think it was, like, very articulate, but I can imagine she's very nervous.

02:21:39.840 It sounds like she's trembling and just trying to step over the ideological landmine that it is

02:21:45.580 and how she could be ostracized by her peers for, you know, seeming too into the speaker, right?

02:21:51.740 But, no, it was a good question in the end.

02:21:55.620 And it seems like Ashley is saying she has an Asian lady mullet.

02:22:00.840 So, yeah, this woman isn't even a white supremacist, supposedly.

02:22:04.660 She's Asian.

02:22:07.020 Information from both sides, being university students to make informed decisions,

02:22:12.000 rather you stating your opinion up there.

02:22:17.600 She has the nice sassy arm pose.

02:22:21.740 Quiet and dignified.

02:22:22.720 I think the exciting part of university is being exposed to a broad range of ideas, you know,

02:22:27.220 from the kooks on one side to the jerks and crazies on the other.

02:22:32.160 What did he say, gooks?

02:22:32.800 And I probably...

02:22:33.600 Did he just say gooks?

02:22:35.240 What the...

02:22:36.280 ...on one side of university is being exposed to a broad range of ideas.

02:22:39.820 The gooks on...

02:22:41.620 Is he a self-hating Asian?

02:22:44.020 The kooks on one side to the...

02:22:45.980 Oh, no, the kooks.

02:22:46.640 ...the jerks and crazies on the other.

02:22:48.100 And I probably fall on one end and Rushton's on the other.

02:22:51.880 I don't know.

02:22:52.720 Sure.

02:22:53.980 I didn't want to come here.

02:22:55.480 Oh, he said spooks.

02:22:55.620 Okay.

02:22:56.520 I told the students that over and over, but they told me that they didn't feel they could

02:23:02.340 respond to him.

02:23:03.280 They didn't have the clout.

02:23:04.720 They weren't professors.

02:23:05.900 They didn't have PhDs.

02:23:07.920 And that they were being hammered by this, that in the press it was saying this and that,

02:23:12.100 and academics were saying this, but no one would come and discuss.

02:23:17.000 Now, quite frankly, I wish it had all blown over at the AAAS meetings in San Francisco.

02:23:21.040 I had that article that he submitted there for weeks.

02:23:24.780 I didn't want to do anything on it.

02:23:27.420 But it was the students asking and no one being, having whatever it takes to appear,

02:23:34.760 that finally I felt that it couldn't be ignored because it had already become a public event.

02:23:39.320 Now, the problem one always has, whether it's talking to the Rushtons or the Shockleys or

02:23:45.200 the Jensons or whoever.

02:23:46.640 Remember Shockley?

02:23:48.540 Based.

02:23:49.800 Is that one as a media broadcaster always worries, do you legitimize the person by putting him

02:23:54.320 on?

02:23:54.720 Because by virtue of having him on a program, it seems as if this thing is worth paying

02:23:58.700 attention to.

02:23:59.780 And all of the people who are really on the borderline, you know, especially if you have

02:24:03.580 someone who's a Nobel Prize winner or even a professor at a university, you say, well,

02:24:07.600 gee, this professor said this, you know, that.

02:24:09.100 That affects people.

02:24:11.700 And so one wonders about that.

02:24:14.100 I think this is just bad science.

02:24:16.060 There's no reason to have a public debate about it because it's not science.

02:24:19.800 Well, I felt that there wasn't really a debate on the issue because I wanted to hear both

02:24:24.320 sides of the story.

02:24:25.340 Now, I've heard a lot about Dr. Rushtons and I wanted to hear your viewpoint as a genetic

02:24:29.360 specialist.

02:24:30.100 I thought I did that talking about the distribution of IQ scores, which is at the very heart of

02:24:33.780 his argument.

02:24:34.720 And what I said is I urge you again to listen to what I said about Bodmer and Cavalli-Sforza,

02:24:39.860 that you can show heritability of IQ scores, but you can't legitimately compare the difference

02:24:45.800 between them.

02:24:46.640 And that applies from IQ scores to all of these so-called complex behavioral traits.

02:24:50.560 But he already rebutted that.

02:24:52.620 He already said that, like, it would have a specific correlation if that were the case.

02:24:59.300 And now he's not going any further expounding upon that, proving why that's wrong.

02:25:03.880 Instead, he's always reverting back to his appeal to authority with that one study or that

02:25:09.700 one research paper, funded, obviously, by institutions that have invested interest in keeping this

02:25:16.080 racism hoax alive.

02:25:19.360 There you have it.

02:25:20.300 It's as simple as that.

02:25:21.460 Okay, but you have your views and he has his views.

02:25:23.800 Sorry, I say that as a geneticist.

02:25:25.940 Okay, but I came here to get informed information so I could decide.

02:25:30.680 And I think a lot of the university students are intelligent enough to screen out what is

02:25:35.100 crazy and what is not and be able to decide for ourselves.

02:25:37.540 Like, I didn't feel that this was a debate.

02:25:43.260 Now take a question from microphone number one.

02:25:46.020 Okay, first off, I would like to say that I am offended by the basis of this work, Dr.

02:25:51.440 Rushton.

02:25:53.240 Okay, is this guy?

02:25:55.000 Who is this guy?

02:25:56.480 Okay, no.

02:25:58.820 Sorry, I thought it was a different guy.

02:26:00.740 First off, I would like to say that I am offended by the basis of this work, Dr.

02:26:04.320 Rushton.

02:26:04.640 And I know that you requested this evening that we not talk about the ethical issues.

02:26:08.060 But I think as Dr. Suzuki has said, it's impossible to divorce science and ethics.

02:26:11.800 I think that you made a politically bad decision when you made such an announcement in San

02:26:15.100 Francisco.

02:26:15.500 And whether you have any political feelings or motivations, it showed a blatant disregard

02:26:19.280 for those type of people who've been struggling against racism and hatred all their lives

02:26:22.780 because of the environment.

02:26:23.560 This guy is going to get laid later with some nice, blonde, liberal pussy.

02:26:34.780 You know, he's making all the right moves.

02:26:38.600 But is he really going to learn something?

02:26:42.920 Probably not.

02:26:43.680 I'm going to ask you a question that was posed to a class of mine the other day.

02:26:47.320 And it goes to the effect of whether you had any sort of racial bias going into the

02:26:50.220 study and why this sort of study is going on.

02:26:52.520 Now, let's suppose, and for the sake of the audience and my safety getting back to the

02:26:55.440 seat, this is a purely hypothetical question.

02:26:58.000 Let's suppose that your theory is true.

02:27:00.740 What are you recommending?

02:27:01.960 Are you recommending sweeping policy changes?

02:27:04.160 For instance, for education, are you recommending that we now only admit Orientals and some whites

02:27:07.860 who are above average and no blacks?

02:27:09.560 Or maybe the opposite?

02:27:10.760 Or can you tell me what are you recommending for immigration policies, for fighting crime,

02:27:15.340 et cetera?

02:27:21.320 It's a good question.

02:27:22.400 For the last seven or eight years, my research has been into trying to apply evolution to

02:27:27.480 genetic differences between people.

02:27:29.700 About 20% of that research is concerned with race differences.

02:27:32.500 The other 80% is concerned with sex differences and social class differences and just individual

02:27:36.480 differences, all of which are also contentious issues.

02:27:38.680 I have no policy recommendations to make.

02:27:42.580 I do believe that there are all kinds of political and philosophical and ethical and economic

02:27:47.700 and educational implications of accepting the view that there is an enormous amount of genetic

02:27:53.900 and biological diversity, far more genetic and biological diversity in the human population

02:27:59.360 than we've ever considered before, in my opinion.

02:28:02.080 And that does and will have, probably, policy implications.

02:28:06.920 But you have to go and ask economists and educators and ethicists and politicians what

02:28:11.780 to do about it, because I don't have any recommendations.

02:28:14.380 I'm just simply, if I have any recommendation at all, it is to the effect that we really must,

02:28:18.140 it's about time after 120 years since Charles Darwin, it's about time that we human beings

02:28:23.180 accepted that we are another form of animal life on this planet and that there will be a lot

02:28:28.580 of genetic variants within us, which is the first fundamental postulate of Darwinian theory,

02:28:33.480 is that there's genetic variants.

02:28:34.980 The second postulate is that some of that variants is more successful at getting itself

02:28:38.580 replicated than other parts of the variants.

02:28:40.400 That's evolution.

02:28:41.320 So Darwin's theory at that level is quite easy to understand conceptually.

02:28:44.480 And what I'm saying is that when you look at humans, you've just got to come to terms

02:28:47.500 with the view that there is enormous biological diversity.

02:28:51.600 And we just have to accept that.

02:28:53.000 That's the message.

02:28:54.400 I think Dr. Suzuki pointed out one big thing, that there was a larger variance within each

02:28:58.000 race than between the races itself.

02:28:59.740 And I think that's the biggest point that had to take.

02:29:05.220 And that may or may not be true, depending upon which measures you take.

02:29:11.300 And I don't think that's a...

02:29:12.200 I think that should be obvious.

02:29:13.100 I don't think that is a settled matter at all.

02:29:14.780 What it means you should be able to come up with variants is pretty simply.

02:29:17.340 Well, variants depends on what measures you're measuring.

02:29:20.900 I mean, if you're taking regulator genes or whether you're taking nuclear genes or whatever,

02:29:25.820 you get different amounts of variants.

02:29:27.480 If you take IQ test scores or whether you take on one test or IQ test scores on a different

02:29:30.960 test, you get different amounts of variants.

02:29:32.820 That's not...

02:29:34.260 But look, I take the point without any question, and let me reiterate it, that there is enormous

02:29:38.720 variation within each of the three major racial groups.

02:29:42.520 And along with all other subgroups within those major groups.

02:29:45.880 And I don't think you can generalize from one group to another, from one group to an average

02:29:52.340 individual.

02:29:53.440 I would like to say that I am not a racist.

02:29:57.620 I believe that a racist is a person who will treat all members of a group the same, and usually

02:30:03.760 also to try to deprive them of their civil liberties in some way.

02:30:07.720 I am not advocating and do not believe in anything of that nature.

02:30:10.660 So I think I've answered the question.

02:30:16.080 I mean, that's a good definition of racism.

02:30:18.880 And it really rebuts what they're saying.

02:30:21.420 Like, he's just stating facts.

02:30:22.840 And I do think it is kind of sad that he's not allowed to have an opinion on, like, policy

02:30:28.620 or anything that comes out of his research.

02:30:31.360 He's got to be the guy who says, hey, I'm only giving you the data, and that's all I'm

02:30:37.660 allowed to do.

02:30:38.560 As if his high intellect in being able to figure these things out negates him from being able

02:30:45.140 to do all these other things that, like, could prescribe some actual good uses for this data.

02:30:53.700 But, you know, he's hanging on by a thread here, so he doesn't dare step into that realm.

02:30:59.740 And it's kind of sad, because maybe he would have some good opinions on what to do.

02:31:03.260 A question from microphone number two.

02:31:06.040 Professor Rushton, you said that you're not a racist, but quite frankly, I think you are

02:31:09.460 one hiding under academic freedom.

02:31:11.840 The Globe and Mail printed Saturday, February 4th, quoted you, and I read, let's face it,

02:31:17.780 that's what blacks do, ask for special treatment.

02:31:20.820 We've had to change everything in educational system and professional schools to make sure

02:31:24.200 blacks did not fail in large numbers.

02:31:26.500 But if we accept the alternative arguments that blacks aren't as intelligent, then what

02:31:30.840 we have done is lower the standards to allow more in.

02:31:34.220 I mean, quite frankly, I'm very offended by that statement.

02:31:37.300 I mean, in school, most of my friends here and a lot that we know achieve higher than

02:31:43.200 others around us, and I'd like you to answer to what standards have been lowered for us

02:31:48.760 blacks to be here.

02:31:51.180 Are you kidding me?

02:31:52.500 Like, that's the whole crux of affirmative action.

02:31:55.660 Of course, they'll couch it by saying that, oh, it's because you were affected by racism,

02:32:00.840 racism, which may have had a point maybe 50, 70 years ago, still may not have been a good

02:32:07.140 idea to have affirmative action at all whatsoever.

02:32:09.720 But at this point, there's still affirmative action, and it does necessarily mean that they're

02:32:16.220 lowering the standards.

02:32:17.740 What are you talking about?

02:32:18.780 Thank you very much for asking that question.

02:32:23.400 I am very happy.

02:32:24.520 Let me just put that into context, and I'll answer specifically.

02:32:27.080 That is from the Global Mail.

02:32:28.740 It was written by a man called Stephen Strauss, who is a science reporter for the Global Mail.

02:32:32.400 He is a man that I've read and admired, and I think he's a good science reporter.

02:32:35.720 And that was a scurrilous piece of work that he published, because what he did, what he did

02:32:40.700 was to interview me for about an hour and a half or two hours in San Francisco before, in

02:32:44.840 fact, I presented the paper, he interviewed me for about an hour and a half on the telephone

02:32:47.980 here in London, and another 20 minutes subsequently.

02:32:50.500 I gave him as much time as I did, because he was a Global Mail, because I respected him,

02:32:53.840 and so on.

02:32:54.560 And in fact, the first paper he published on me was written about five days before that.

02:32:58.620 And then, for reasons I have no idea, I phoned him at his home, the only person I've ever

02:33:02.300 complained to about it.

02:33:03.320 I phoned him up and complained about that.

02:33:04.460 Because what he did in that article was, in fact, to take sections out of a paper, sections

02:33:09.700 out of a discussion we had in San Francisco, and put it next to a discussion we had on something

02:33:15.740 else an hour later, and then put it next to something that we had about three weeks later,

02:33:19.120 as though I'd strung those three or four pieces together.

02:33:21.640 And so that was just one example of, okay.

02:33:25.520 So there you have it.

02:33:26.680 The architect of a smear.

02:33:28.460 The construction of a smear.

02:33:30.180 They can't even get him on anything he's actually said in order to make the public turn

02:33:34.660 against him.

02:33:35.820 They have to pick and choose three or four different things he said, put them together

02:33:39.900 in order to change the context.

02:33:43.420 They do this to many different academics, and especially the academics, because, you know,

02:33:48.760 they're held in such high prestige.

02:33:50.980 Somebody like David Irving, when he had a libel case against somebody who was calling him

02:33:55.680 a Holocaust denier.

02:33:56.740 Now, he's a famous and now infamous historian.

02:34:01.460 He was regarded, even by the mainstream, as one of the top World War II historians, like

02:34:06.220 among, like, the top three.

02:34:08.100 But then, when he delved into what they call Holocaust denial, then they had all these lawyers

02:34:14.620 comb through all of his work to find any little inaccuracy they could, or to take anything he said,

02:34:21.220 including, like, little poems and ditties that he wrote in his own personal diary to either prove

02:34:26.780 that he's racist or prove that he made a mistake.

02:34:30.080 And they'll just do whatever they can to misconstrue things to create a smear.

02:34:34.280 Now, sometimes it's a lot easier because normal people don't understand a lot of these red-pilled

02:34:40.780 issues, so they might as well be horrified by some of the things that somebody like Jared Taylor

02:34:47.740 or somebody even like David Duke might say.

02:34:51.260 But for these academics, they really try hard to go after them with all sorts of bullshit

02:34:56.720 like this.

02:34:57.420 Now, the context of that particular quotation, which is, let's face it, that's what blacks

02:35:03.040 do, isn't it, is this, that I said, look, if I came to you, if I was a black man and

02:35:08.180 I came to you and I said, look at these statistics, look at breakups of marriages, look at black

02:35:13.480 crime rates, look at black suicide, look at black alcoholism and drug abuse and so on,

02:35:18.680 look at poor educational attainment, look at school dropouts.

02:35:21.180 And black people do do this, and they say, look at this, this is proof of a racist society

02:35:27.600 that we are living in.

02:35:28.780 And indeed, this is good evidence that we've got to do something about it.

02:35:31.820 In fact, the Supreme Court of the United States has more or less used that kind of evidence,

02:35:36.580 what they call adverse effect, I believe it's called, as evidence for either affirmative action

02:35:41.800 programs or alleviation of suffering, head start programs, and a whole range of social

02:35:45.560 programs.

02:35:45.980 So, the point, my point to Strauss was that, of course, that's what blacks do, they use

02:35:51.920 these statistics and interpret them one way, quite reasonably.

02:35:55.800 I'm taking exactly the same statistics, adding in a lot of other variables, but interpreting

02:36:00.620 it to genetic and evolutionary mechanisms, and that is what people are finding completely

02:36:06.540 unacceptable.

02:36:07.640 So, I stand by the argument, I do not remotely stand by the context in which that scurrilous

02:36:14.540 piece of work appeared.

02:36:16.640 Well, primarily, this is the Globe and Mail, and this is in Canada.

02:36:19.040 I would, like, still, you have not answered, like, these are all your words, even though

02:36:22.860 they may have been taken out of context.

02:36:24.220 The fact is that you still said them.

02:36:26.180 And what I'm trying to ask is, in what ways have standards been lowered to, especially

02:36:31.240 in Canada, because we're here right now, so the blacks can get into our schools and

02:36:35.740 professional systems?

02:36:36.880 My stand has been consistently not to comment on policies.

02:36:41.000 You can come up to me and say, what do you think about South Africa?

02:36:45.020 I'll do it for you.

02:36:45.860 It's the lower test scores.

02:36:47.380 You don't need as high test scores to get into university.

02:36:51.040 You could use your black experience as one of the other relevant qualifications for you

02:36:59.200 getting into university.

02:37:01.100 In fact, the story behind why you should be in a university when you're writing your application,

02:37:05.740 it's used by all sorts of different groups, like, for example, Jewish people to get into

02:37:10.360 Harvard.

02:37:11.720 Now, if you're the descendant of a Holocaust survivor, that's an inspiring story for how

02:37:18.160 you're going to do great activism once you finally get into Harvard.

02:37:22.320 And you could take the red pill and look into, like, the amount of graduate students there

02:37:27.840 are at Harvard who are Jewish, and you could see affirmative action even there, even though

02:37:33.720 supposedly their IQ is so high.

02:37:40.780 There are schools and professional systems.

02:37:42.940 My stand has been consistently not to comment on policies.

02:37:47.620 You can come up to me and say, what do you think about South Africa?

02:37:51.180 What do you think about immigration?

02:37:52.460 What do you think about the school system?

02:37:53.660 What do you think should be done about crime?

02:37:55.460 What do you think about person X or person Y or current event Z?

02:37:58.760 And I just say, look, I'm not in the business of making recommendations, policies.

02:38:03.980 I don't endorse.

02:38:05.040 I don't condemn.

02:38:06.120 I'm here simply, believe it or not, to try to explain what I think is a very interesting

02:38:11.160 pattern of data.

02:38:12.640 And that's, I can't comment on...

02:38:14.080 You're saying you don't comment on policies or whatever, but what I've just read are

02:38:16.900 your own words.

02:38:17.540 And, I mean, you know, so if you don't comment on policies, then you shouldn't be making comments

02:38:21.180 such as what you've made.

02:38:22.420 And, you know, secondly...

02:38:23.980 Stay in your lane, professor.

02:38:26.480 Okay.

02:38:26.900 I listened to you in a talk show a couple weeks ago, and considering the paper that you've

02:38:30.960 written, and you're going around saying you're not a racist, you had several opportunities

02:38:34.540 in which you could have set people straight.

02:38:36.520 For instance, a lady call in saying how she agreed with you, and then making reference,

02:38:41.040 oh, well, after all, we wouldn't have dogs and cat, or dogs and cat do not intermit,

02:38:45.860 so why should humans?

02:38:46.680 I mean, you not being a racist could at least, without making a policy statement, could

02:38:49.580 go, well, at least, you know, different kind of dogs do interbreed if you want to go that

02:38:54.600 far.

02:38:55.000 But you said nothing.

02:38:56.140 And for you to go around saying you're not a racist, I think you have to draw the line

02:38:59.680 and clear people up rather than let them go around with racist comments.

02:39:02.500 So now you have to police everyone else's racism and correct everyone else's statement.

02:39:08.340 We'll now go to a question at microphone number three.

02:39:11.280 Yes, I have a statement and then a question for Dr. Suzuki.

02:39:14.160 First of all...

02:39:15.000 Now, I'm not really sure about this guy.

02:39:17.640 As we listen to him, I want you to help me figure out, is this guy based or not?

02:39:24.300 Because it seems like he might be being sarcastic throughout his question.

02:39:29.880 And it seems like a pretty autistic, weird question, but we'll see.

02:39:34.140 One, he's based.

02:39:37.360 Two, he's not.

02:39:38.620 Or in between.

02:39:39.800 And then a question for Dr. Suzuki.

02:39:42.100 First of all, concerning...

02:39:44.280 I read your paper and you're saying that you predict, basically, that the Pacific Rim is

02:39:48.920 going to be the dominant economic force due to genetics.

02:39:52.080 Now, it's obvious that you never heard about the Trilateral Commission, which was set up in

02:39:56.280 the United States, which demanded that the economic power base would be taken from the United States

02:40:00.880 and be spread out to three points in the world.

02:40:03.000 That is the Asian continent on the Pacific Rim, the Central European Economic Community, and

02:40:06.740 the United States.

02:40:07.740 You also forgot about what happened about 130 years ago when Perry visited Japan and the

02:40:12.740 Orient.

02:40:12.920 They were a close society, and when they entered the first scientific displays in England,

02:40:18.140 they had objects made out of paper and wood.

02:40:20.600 And I really would like to see what they would have said about them back then as a race, whether

02:40:23.120 or not they were dominantly intelligent over whites and blacks.

02:40:25.800 And also, let me just say that when you put a race that... when you say that a race is

02:40:29.440 going to be the dominant economic force in the world, that statement was made about 50 years

02:40:32.860 ago about the Jews being the dominant economic force, and we all know what happened to them

02:40:36.260 as a race.

02:40:37.320 Okay, and now I have a question for Dr. Suzuki that has nothing to do with psychology.

02:40:39.980 It has to do with research that is going on right now about...

02:40:42.980 The Jew comment really threw me off, but I think from the first thing he said, that's

02:40:49.560 a one.

02:40:49.980 He's saying that these people, when white people arrived in their lands, that they hadn't invented

02:40:57.480 anything.

02:40:58.460 And he was basically critiquing him about that.

02:41:02.180 Supercomputers are going to be looking at the entire DNA structure of the human being.

02:41:07.040 They figured that in about five years they'll be able to take out the map.

02:41:09.980 Of the DNA structure.

02:41:11.280 Do you think that when this research finally comes through, that geneticists will be able

02:41:14.040 to take a look at the races and finally disprove psychologists with their very weak arguments

02:41:18.560 and with pure science that involves good research in variables and computers?

02:41:24.980 It's very interesting to see that the whole concept of biological determinism, that is that

02:41:29.060 we essentially are an expression of our genetic makeup, which was very heavily discredited after

02:41:33.600 the Nazi so-called experiments in the Holocaust.

02:41:36.600 We went through a period of about 20 years when it was really not popular to say that there's

02:41:41.340 a genetic basis for anything, that basically it was environment that shaped everything.

02:41:44.600 Now, what happened was that with the discovery of DNA, there was a swing back and it made sense to swing back to genes.

02:41:50.600 I mean, we're obviously an expression of both our genetic makeup and the environment.

02:41:55.600 And now, with the molecular biology, there is a strong swing back towards biological determinism.

02:42:02.840 An assumption that because we have such enormous power to take DNA and manipulate it in the

02:42:06.460 test tube, that we somehow have our hands on the levers of life.

02:42:10.060 Indeed, if you read the papers today that molecular geneticists are writing, you see the same intoxication

02:42:15.060 and exuberance about their discoveries today as people were making early in the century when genetics began.

02:42:19.060 They were saying, we really have it now to be able to predict and control cancer and disease

02:42:23.060 and we'll be able to improve human beings and so on.

02:42:25.060 And I think there's a tremendous danger here, not of proving or disproving this kind of stuff,

02:42:31.060 but a belief that since we have a standard map of the human genome, all three billion bits of information in it,

02:42:37.060 that we now have a standard reference against which we can begin to compare things.

02:42:40.060 So sure, we'll look at heart disease, cancer, various diseases.

02:42:43.060 But then very quickly, we'll begin to say, well, what about homosexuals?

02:42:46.060 What about criminals?

02:42:47.060 What about what about people on welfare?

02:42:50.060 What about the race?

02:42:51.060 So once again, he's just reverting back to the ethics arguments.

02:42:54.060 And by the way, I think that guy was based.

02:42:56.060 Homosexuals, what about criminals?

02:43:01.060 What about what about people on welfare?

02:43:04.060 What about the races?

02:43:05.060 And we're going to find differences.

02:43:06.060 I don't have any doubt that we'll find differences in sequences of DNA.

02:43:10.060 The problem is that people will then make that mistake that Rushton has made.

02:43:13.060 Because you can show a correlation, there is a conclusion that there is a causal relationship.

02:43:19.060 And that is, to me, a great hazard.

02:43:22.060 That we will be able to say that blacks differ from whites from orientals in these various statistically in these ways.

02:43:27.060 But so what?

02:43:29.060 It's like saying blacks have black skin and whites have whiter skin and orientals have yellower skin.

02:43:33.060 So what?

02:43:34.060 It doesn't mean anything.

02:43:35.060 You can't jump from that quickly to very complex traits like how many children you have or how shy you are or whether you really like to get laid a lot.

02:43:42.060 I mean, all of these things.

02:43:43.060 I don't know if he agrees with Suzuki or he's just clapping because he likes to get laid a lot.

02:43:55.060 There we go.

02:43:56.060 I'm going to say he's based.

02:44:00.060 Epic Chad.

02:44:01.060 Look at that jawline.

02:44:02.060 He was being sarcastic.

02:44:04.060 But he asked, like, a pretty decent question.

02:44:07.060 Kind of trying to pit, like, molecular biology against Rushton's evolutionary psychology.

02:44:14.060 Which does make an interesting debate, actually.

02:44:18.060 And it does lead into the debate about designer babies.

02:44:21.060 Like, is that a good thing going forward into the future?

02:44:25.060 At what part does eugenics become something that's unethical?

02:44:29.060 Obviously, we live eugenics every day of our life.

02:44:32.060 We live disgenics every day of our life.

02:44:35.060 Why would we want to engage in disgenics?

02:44:38.060 Obviously, we want to move towards eugenicism.

02:44:42.060 But I would assume that we would want to do it ethically, right?

02:44:46.060 And, like, not trample on other people's rights.

02:44:49.060 But in order to come to that conclusion, we have to have the right data and we have to be able to discuss it.

02:44:57.060 But obviously, they just have this racism hoax.

02:45:00.060 They're trying to depopulate Western nations of the European peoples.

02:45:05.060 So, they're not going to let us have these discussions.

02:45:09.060 And they're going to blame everything on white people.

02:45:12.060 Thank you very much.

02:45:16.060 We'll now take a question from microphone number four.

02:45:22.060 Okay, I have a quick statement to make about university grants as far as research funds and stuff like that.

02:45:31.060 It's my understanding that research in Canada is based on quantity as opposed to quantity, quality.

02:45:38.060 And I think that this is a clear indication of that right here.

02:45:44.060 That's funny because the RK selection theory is quantity over quality.

02:45:49.060 And he's basically taking a jab at Rushton's work, calling it an R strategy.

02:45:58.060 Interesting.

02:45:59.060 I think that probably went over this guy's head, though.

02:46:02.060 Research funds are given to people who produce quantity as opposed to quality.

02:46:07.060 And that's very dangerous.

02:46:09.060 I have a question for Mr. Rushton.

02:46:11.060 Can you explain to me why someone like Einstein, with an IQ of 129, can have such an impact on our world?

02:46:22.060 With your IQ test, he scores 129.

02:46:25.060 That's a low score.

02:46:28.060 IQ tests only measure surface intelligence.

02:46:30.060 They don't really get into the depth of intelligence.

02:46:33.060 Could you tell me, please, your definition of what intelligence is and how an IQ test measures that?

02:46:38.060 Is somebody saying Tom Cruise in the chat?

02:46:43.060 You can see Will Smith in the background.

02:46:46.060 There has no idea what's going on.

02:46:48.060 He's just vibing, though.

02:46:49.060 Did you say Einstein with an IQ of 129, by the way?

02:46:58.060 Yes, I believe he did.

02:46:59.060 Okay.

02:47:00.060 Well, 129 is two standard deviations above the mean.

02:47:02.060 That's only 2% of the population.

02:47:03.060 That's not a low IQ by any means at all.

02:47:05.060 Oh, I'm not saying that it's low, but it's certainly not above average.

02:47:08.060 He didn't make Mensa.

02:47:09.060 Well, in any case, what is intelligence and how do IQ tests measure it and so on?

02:47:17.060 Well, you know, I mean, this is a long and involved question.

02:47:20.060 And those of you who are taking Psych 20, I noticed that you'll be taking the intelligence chapter in the introductory psychology textbook in about two weeks.

02:47:27.060 For the layman, please tell me what intelligence is.

02:47:32.060 Most of the current, my own view is that probably intelligence ultimately is something that springs from the efficiency or speed with which the brain can process information.

02:47:44.060 The efficiency and speed in which the brain can process information.

02:47:48.060 And obviously complete tasks and solve complex problems and create societies, create industrialization.

02:47:57.060 There's a reason why Africa with an average IQ of 70 or so has produced the results it has.

02:48:04.060 And then you look in Western nations and European peoples or Asian people and they have different results.

02:48:11.060 Is it cause or correlation? Is it cause or correlation?

02:48:16.060 It doesn't matter. It's all part of the same chain at that point, the same chain of cause and effect.

02:48:22.060 As well as the sheer amount of information that it can store and process.

02:48:26.060 So ultimately, I would put it down to some kind of physiological brain based effect.

02:48:33.060 But of course, we can only measure that as we can only measure anything imperfectly.

02:48:37.060 But I should say that this misconception about how bad IQ tests are really is a misconception.

02:48:44.060 They are far from perfect.

02:48:46.060 But you know, they're pretty good predictors and they're pretty good predictors for black people just as they are for white people.

02:48:52.060 So that black people who score with IQ of 129 like Einstein are going to do very well in university.

02:48:59.060 Thank you very much indeed.

02:49:00.060 Even within the same family, there are studies coming now out of, say, places like Detroit, where you can go into a black family and you will see a fair amount of variability among the children.

02:49:09.060 So that some children may have an IQ as low as, let's say, 70.

02:49:13.060 Another child may have an IQ of 85 and another child may have an IQ of, say, 105.

02:49:18.060 Now, the child with an IQ of 105 does very well in the school system.

02:49:22.060 If a child with an IQ of 85 has some troubles and may even have some brushes with the law.

02:49:27.060 But the child with an IQ of 70 in that same family probably does not do well at school at all and has a lot of trouble with the law.

02:49:34.060 So these things are not unpredictable.

02:49:39.060 We have time for about two more questions.

02:49:41.060 We'll go to a question from microphone number one.

02:49:43.060 Hello, I'm from Canadian University Press and I have a question for Dr. Rushton.

02:49:47.060 So another journalist from the mainstream here.

02:49:51.060 It's a two part question, actually, and it addresses the Pioneer Fund.

02:49:54.060 How did you get involved with the Pioneer Fund?

02:49:57.060 How much fun?

02:49:58.060 Could you repeat that?

02:49:59.060 I didn't hear you.

02:50:00.060 Okay, the Pioneer Fund.

02:50:01.060 How did you get involved with the Pioneer Fund?

02:50:03.060 How much funding did you get and for how long?

02:50:06.060 Well, I'm...

02:50:07.060 So she's trying to find out where the money is and get everyone canceled.

02:50:12.060 You know, great intellectual debate here.

02:50:15.060 A scientific question.

02:50:17.060 Certainly not going to tell you how much money I've received from them, but I can tell you that the Pioneer Fund is again has come under a lot of scurrilous attack.

02:50:24.060 They're racist, according to a lot of people, because they have funded Arthur Jensen.

02:50:29.060 And Arthur Jensen, by definition to a lot of people, is a racist.

02:50:32.060 Therefore, purely circular way, the Pioneer Fund's racist and I must be racist for taking money from them.

02:50:37.060 Works the other way around, too.

02:50:38.060 Now that I'm judged to be a racist, the Pioneer Fund's judged to be a racist.

02:50:42.060 And so it goes.

02:50:43.060 The Pioneer Fund was set up, I believe, originally it was actually set up in 1937.

02:50:48.060 It started funding in 1961.

02:50:49.060 It does not have a political agenda.

02:50:51.060 It's not allowed to have a political agenda.

02:50:52.060 It only funds or primarily funds people in universities.

02:50:55.060 I know a lot of excellent first-rate scientists that I'm extremely happy to be associated with who receive money from them.

02:51:01.060 And if they're not too embarrassed by all of this that's happened, I will continue to accept money from them.

02:51:06.060 How long have you been receiving funding from them?

02:51:08.060 About four or five years.

02:51:09.060 And you won't give the amount?

02:51:10.060 Sorry?

02:51:11.060 You won't give the amount?

02:51:12.060 I won't tell you the amount, no.

02:51:13.060 It's not all that much, I can tell you that.

02:51:16.060 So, in my telegram post, I said one of the things I'd like to talk about about this greater issue is understanding how information like race realism is suppressed through subversion, censorship, and sabotage.

02:51:32.060 So, when I was talking about subversion earlier, I was referring to this Culture of Critique book where all these intellectuals came into the anthropological movement and moved it away from Darwinism and basically introduced the theory of, what was it again?

02:51:52.060 Relativism, cultural relativism, meaning that every different culture, every different group, race, has a blank slate.

02:52:02.060 And it's all just culture and not race.

02:52:04.060 It's not biological, which is obviously untrue and goes against all the facts that were already established beforehand, but it's obviously an ideological subversion.

02:52:16.060 And it was an agenda that came about during and after World War II.

02:52:23.060 So, subversion is one way they get around it.

02:52:26.060 And just having this debate in the first place where they're calling to shut him down and instead switching to academic freedom as the discussion instead of whether what he's saying is true or not.

02:52:38.060 You know, the attention by the media, they tend to focus more on, this is a huge question of academic freedom.

02:52:47.060 We know his views are nutty, we know that they're debunked, but should he be allowed to still teach regardless?

02:52:53.060 And it's like, no, we don't know that.

02:52:55.060 So, you're just subverting reality by changing the goalpost of what people should be focusing on.

02:53:01.060 So, that's another way that they subvert reality.

02:53:04.060 Censorship, obviously.

02:53:06.060 They want to get him fired.

02:53:08.060 They get all his rewards stripped, just like James Watson.

02:53:13.060 Certainly, this stream might get taken down.

02:53:16.060 It very well may get taken down off of YouTube, even though I haven't said that anyone is superior, even though I haven't maligned anybody just because of their qualities.

02:53:25.060 I've said that you shouldn't discriminate against people by taking away their rights just because of the color of their skin, their race, or whatever else.

02:53:34.060 But it still could get taken down.

02:53:36.060 But they just don't want us talking about these things.

02:53:38.060 So, censorship, obviously.

02:53:40.060 And sabotage, because they'll ruin your career, they'll ruin your life, and make it so that you can never work again if you talk about these things.

02:53:48.060 Take a question, please, from number two.

02:53:55.060 Yes, I have a copy here of the Ontario policy on race relations.

02:54:00.060 This is directed to Phil, by the way.

02:54:02.060 And clause three...

02:54:03.060 So, this is probably the worst one.

02:54:06.060 Or at least tied with the African minister.

02:54:10.060 Ontario...

02:54:11.060 Number two.

02:54:13.060 Yes, I have a copy here of the Ontario policy on race relations.

02:54:18.060 And clause...

02:54:19.060 This is directed to Phil, by the way.

02:54:21.060 And clause three says...

02:54:23.060 The government will also continue to attack the overt manifestations of racism, and to this end declares that...

02:54:30.060 A, racism in any form is not tolerated in Ontario, and B, all doctrines and practices of racial superiority are scientifically false, morally reprehensible, and socially destructive, are contrary to the policies of this government, and are unacceptable in Ontario.

02:54:50.060 Now...

02:54:51.060 Don't you know racism is banned?

02:54:55.060 Now, you are being shrouded under the umbrella of academic freedom.

02:55:01.060 Will you explain how academic freedom and this policy of our government coincides?

02:55:08.060 Yeah, Lee.

02:55:09.060 Lee says she really thinks she's doing something here.

02:55:12.060 No.

02:55:13.060 Oh.

02:55:14.060 Let's hear the answer again.

02:55:16.060 The policy of our government coincides.

02:55:18.060 No.

02:55:23.060 The Chad no.

02:55:26.060 No.

02:55:27.060 Speak!

02:55:28.060 Wow.

02:55:31.060 The entitlement, the narcissism, the delusions, all wrapped up there.

02:55:37.060 Speak!

02:55:38.060 No.

02:55:39.060 There's nothing to say to people like you.

02:55:43.060 There's no conversation.

02:55:44.060 You don't want a conversation.

02:55:46.060 We don't have the answers to these people.

02:55:50.060 No.

02:55:51.060 The word racism has two or three thousand different meanings.

02:55:56.060 You should have just said no again.

02:55:57.060 I don't know what the word means to me.

02:55:59.060 I've already defined it that it means the desire to take away somebody's civil liberties or to treat people in a particular category is all the same and so on.

02:56:10.060 He's got a whitesplain what he talked about before already.

02:56:14.060 Again, for this low IQ individual here.

02:56:18.060 I can't tell you one thing in what you said at the very beginning about superiority and inferiority.

02:56:23.060 Well, maybe you should get a copy of the policy.

02:56:25.060 Okay.

02:56:26.060 But I never use, I don't use words like superior and inferior.

02:56:31.060 It's obviously, I really don't.

02:56:36.060 It's obviously true that some of the traits that I'm looking at, like for example, intelligence, people certainly have strong values about and it's superior to have a higher IQ.

02:56:49.060 But there are other traits like, for example, sociability, which some people might argue is better to be more sociable and not to be too introspective.

02:57:00.060 So, from an evolutionary point of view, superiority ultimately, and I'm sure Dr. Suzuki would agree, is only in terms of genetic fitness and in terms of humans, we can't tell who 10,000 or 100,000 years from now, whose genes will and whose genes will not be on the face of this earth.

02:57:25.060 That, from an evolutionary point of view, is, I suppose, something like superiority.

02:57:30.060 This has got nothing to do with racism.

02:57:32.060 My question was, how does this policy coincide with academic freedom?

02:57:36.060 No one cares about your gay policy.

02:57:38.060 I don't see any conflict, so I can't explain.

02:57:39.060 You don't see any conflict?

02:57:40.060 No.

02:57:41.060 Sorry.

02:57:42.060 I think you need a brain implant.

02:57:43.060 Oh.

02:57:44.060 Oh, shit.

02:57:45.060 That was the last question to be asked, and I just wanted to make a little comment here.

02:57:49.060 I feel, having gone through the exercise, I feel a great deal of pain.

02:57:54.060 Sorry.

02:57:55.060 My sound board is screwing up again.

02:57:58.060 No, no, no, no.

02:57:59.060 There we go.

02:58:00.060 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

02:58:04.060 There we go.

02:58:05.060 This, apparently, this is, that was the last question to be asked, and I just wanted to make a little comment here.

02:58:08.060 Yeah, someone measure that woman's head.

02:58:11.060 I feel, having gone through the exercise.

02:58:13.060 Miss, we need to inspect your cranium.

02:58:15.060 Just give us a second here.

02:58:17.060 besides i feel a great deal of pain as an academic myself because to think that in 1989

02:58:24.780 an academic can claim that he's just searching for truth and that the responsibility for what

02:58:30.900 is done with that truth is society's i mean we've heard this for a long time and since physicists

02:58:36.140 saw the result of theoretical physics and nuclear bombs since we've seen chemical and biology so

02:58:42.000 this is like a nuclear bomb yeah yeah sure okay logical warfare scientists have realized many

02:58:48.000 of them that you simply can't deal or act as if you're dealing with research in a vacuum you're

02:58:52.620 getting public funding to do this work and the implications are enormous and the idea that i'm

02:58:57.640 just searching for truth and what you do with that in a society in which racism is rampant i'm not

02:59:02.880 saying he's a racist i don't know but in a society in which racism is rampant to suggest that it's my

02:59:07.900 right as an academic to simply give you the truth is something we ought to think about and i think

02:59:12.180 every academic here i challenge you you see the pain coming out in these questions these are not

02:59:18.040 trivial conclusions he's coming to these are not trivial suggestions they impinge on people's lives

02:59:23.680 and they affect them and their children and i call on academics to stand up

02:59:27.900 and that was it i think that's it

02:59:40.480 again

02:59:47.680 on behalf of this i'm sorry oh i think there's one last spurgo oh there he is again the handler

02:59:59.100 return of the handler sorry let me get the where is it what's the handler theme there we go

03:00:10.820 the handler excuse me sir sir sir what are you doing sir i'm sorry sir on behalf of this sir

03:00:21.560 i'm sorry sir sir sir what are you doing sir please sit down

03:00:28.500 you're dealing with trash like that you need to speak up that's what i think he said

03:00:46.500 you gotta make one last stand on behalf of the university students council

03:00:58.280 so i'd like to thank everybody for coming out tonight

03:01:00.520 there you have it john you did a good job john candy jr you know you don't they really don't make

03:01:13.400 them like this anymore when was the last time you saw a good debate on a university campus about

03:01:20.420 something that controversial they've really been able they've really been successful at phasing

03:01:25.920 phasing these things out and we're going to suffer a lot for it

03:01:30.560 one of the main importances of knowing things like this is like the importance of understanding

03:01:38.080 genetics and environment helps us figure out how society actually functions and then from there we

03:01:44.700 could actually improve conditions based on facts and not just all these subversive

03:01:51.020 sociological ideas such as everything is just white people being racist or colonialist like the echoes of

03:01:59.660 the colonialist past even though they just overlook the fact that all these people who like their ancestors

03:02:07.180 lived in nations that did not even have two-story buildings they don't take that into account when they uh

03:02:15.980 when they just demonize the colonialist history and you got to look into the facts about biology and know that

03:02:24.660 it's not just from the from the neck down that our brain is a meat machine

03:02:29.620 it does factor into what's going on and that doesn't mean that you have to start like genociding

03:02:37.300 whole groups of people no but it does help us better understand what we can do to improve things in

03:02:43.800 the future all these social programs all this welfare it's not helping the black community

03:02:49.740 in fact it's not teaching them what they need to learn themselves and it's creating a dysgenic society

03:02:55.560 where they get to pop uh populate way more than people who are being responsible they get to use

03:03:01.720 their our strategy and then let their children go grow up with like 70 fatherless rates and then they

03:03:08.840 go on and cause havoc to society because as we know when when it comes to environment having a

03:03:15.800 two-parent household that is male and female that is one of the greatest environmental predictors of

03:03:22.600 the success of children yet when we can't come to these conclusions when we can't come to these facts

03:03:29.080 and we blame everything on poverty or even worse racism which just creates anti-white racism

03:03:36.520 then we'll never come to proper conclusions so it is ethical to understand race realism it's not

03:03:43.740 something that we need to hide even if it may be true in fact since it is true we need to know it so

03:03:49.200 we could do something about it so that we could improve our conditions and yes there may be people

03:03:55.760 who try to use it in a bad way who say that since some people are smarter than others that you should

03:04:00.940 genocide them but then we should have these ethical debates and then we should figure out how to counter

03:04:07.520 something like that and yes maybe it will make some people feel uncomfortable and maybe it will empower

03:04:14.060 some people to make decisions like say some white people may not want to have their entire community

03:04:21.380 taken over by like blacks you don't get access to people you don't have that right

03:04:27.840 there's so many different conversations that could be had or maybe they do have that right

03:04:36.380 these are all the ethical conversations that should be had after we get the solid facts down

03:04:42.220 so there's that and i talked about the censorship of it all

03:04:46.000 and uh there is an importance to have to like have a revival of this kind of intelligentsia of

03:04:52.980 this academic excellence now it seems very difficult like very difficult for us to to ever have

03:05:00.320 professors like that in universities again like i said before professor ricardo duchene

03:05:06.360 he is probably one of the last real political dissidents that was doing a lot of great work at a

03:05:13.340 university university university in new brunswick and he got ousted from his position in i believe

03:05:18.160 2019 there are a few good uh professors that are still working i think professor david haskell comes

03:05:25.320 to mind but even he doesn't push the envelope to like the degree where they'd come after him like they

03:05:31.880 come after somebody like rushton or duchene and that kind of uh that kind of academic excellence

03:05:39.940 all these james watsons of the world that really does bring the conversation to a new level and it

03:05:46.700 does necessarily bring the attention that it needs

03:05:49.920 but it's difficult because they're never going to let you get to that point like how do you fix this

03:05:57.700 do you have somebody do their research on a different topic at a university and then you know

03:06:03.820 they build their way up and they gain tenure and then once they get tenure status then they reveal

03:06:09.660 their power levels once they cannot be fired they'll figure out a way to fire that person

03:06:14.180 they'll figure out a way to censor them to to sabotage them but that is definitely a strategy

03:06:20.400 worth trying that is definitely a strategy worth worth pursuing if you could have that much of a

03:06:27.500 high time preference if you could wait it out that long and bide your time and do the proper work

03:06:33.740 because if we don't have anybody like that in the institutions then there's no way to really

03:06:40.960 uh bridge that gap once society deteriorates and people are looking for more people who have

03:06:47.100 answers like this because the truth will eventually come to the surface if we don't have anybody like

03:06:52.080 sleeper cells inside of academia then there'll be no one to make that bridge with when when the

03:06:57.980 public can come to the these logical conclusions right but also we should be building a parallel

03:07:07.380 academic society one where we can foster these kinds of people that could develop their own research

03:07:13.460 and this is just like a parallel structure independent of like the academic institutions

03:07:19.060 and all the universities that are government funded developing that and even what we're doing here

03:07:24.960 i'm no uh like i have a bachelor's degree of arts in uh with a major in film studies and a minor in

03:07:32.480 philosophy which isn't worth nothing it helps me you know come to logical conclusions for sure

03:07:38.120 i've written essays about like the big questions that we face like whether the killing of

03:07:44.460 non-combatants is is permissible and in what situations uh whether abortion is ethical all these

03:07:53.260 different things like but i am no scientist i'm no geneticist i'm not the one who's going to be

03:08:02.320 able to carry out these this research but to foster the people who are able to do it and to know how we

03:08:09.780 could direct funds into people who could actually make these kinds of things happen and get us to

03:08:14.620 the next level and understanding and a next level of legitimacy because then we do have our own

03:08:20.420 experts and they can clearly show the truth to people and then people will catch on more and more

03:08:26.500 as these as these conclusions become more evident because the world is going to get in so much more

03:08:33.180 turmoil like you see what the demographics look like in these videos here like this is 1989 and now

03:08:40.400 it's changed so much and it's going to change even more 30 50 years from now so people are going to

03:08:45.480 be hungry for answers now i'm just reading the chat i'm about to wrap it up here i think we've been

03:09:00.160 going for about three hours now i think is a really entertaining informative stream

03:09:04.840 on entropy we got scarecrow with another donation thank you saying what happens to universities now

03:09:14.060 can they be resurrected or are there other alternatives well perfect i just answered that

03:09:19.120 question and what my opinion on it was yeah we got to create our own parallel universities basically

03:09:25.260 and along with all the other activism going on it's uh it's all very important each person can do

03:09:33.720 their own part and throwing back to uh to professor ricardo duchene he actually has a website euro

03:09:42.680 canadians.ca where they have a lot of like uh user submitted essays where people they kind of

03:09:51.900 brainstorm some of the different things that they can do to create uh more understanding of these

03:09:57.660 controversial issues so going to a website like that and even contributing to it you could even do it

03:10:03.460 anonymously uh eventually we're all going to have to go face out and uh you know face the music and

03:10:09.580 really fight fight for what's right but it's a good place to start there

03:10:13.920 and one thing you can do to start is get out a tape measure

03:10:21.320 walk up to some people outside and go excuse me sure we're gonna have to inspect your cranium

03:10:30.260 and then you measure that shit you write it down because that's science and then we're gonna go

03:10:36.060 around to all the asians all the blacks all the hispanics all the inuit and we're gonna measure

03:10:43.420 their penises and we're gonna count their ovos

03:10:46.600 and we're gonna inspect every crevice of their bodies because that's science and we want to get

03:10:55.560 to the answers here we're throwing it back to the good old days where you could do and say anything

03:11:01.260 but guess what that's the ingenuity it took the ingenuity it took in order to build a society that

03:11:08.960 we all now take for granted hell yeah

03:11:12.720 you're gonna tell me that i can't measure your dick sir

03:11:17.600 fuck you this is science all right thank you all for coming out it's been a real edgy show

03:11:26.520 anonymous in the chat says i'll do cranium thanks yeah okay we'll start with the craniums

03:11:35.700 and then we'll develop a better system for uh all the genital measurements and the counting of ovums

03:11:42.820 and uh you know all all the labia stuff but anyways thank you all for coming out

03:11:50.560 throw out some slashes to all of you it was great having you and i'm gonna play you guys out on some

03:11:57.480 more classical music here's to robert schumann

03:12:01.220 and thanks for the super chat chucky's extremist circus

03:12:25.920 and thank you to diagoyim diagoyim and slashes to you too brother

03:12:39.060 and thank you so much for coming out

03:13:09.060 so

03:13:18.840 Thank you.

03:13:48.840 Thank you.

03:14:18.840 Thank you.

03:14:48.840 Thank you.

03:15:18.840 Thank you.

The EdgeStream with Edgy D - December 06, 2023

Philippe Rushton vs David Suzuki on Race & IQ - Classic Edgy Debates - The EdgeStream (2023-12-05)

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