The EdgeStream - Our Official Intelligence w⧸ Day of the Rake (2023-02-07)
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Summary
In this episode of the EDGE Stream, we have a guest co-host, Nathan Day of the Rake smith! We talk about chatbots, AI, and the future of the gaming industry.
Transcript
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We can give you all the instruments you'll need
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hello everybody welcome back to the edge stream let's fucking go
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it's good to be back everybody uh i'm glad you all enjoyed uh the robot music that i was playing
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there yes it is true haters are gonna hate but the robots are taking over
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hold on let me just make sure i got this two shot screen there we go
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i've got my guest co-host for the night how you doing buddy good i'm happy to be here i'm happy
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to talk about all this stuff too awesome man i knew you're the guy to do it i knew you're the guys
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we have nathan day of the rake smith here with us tonight and uh yeah i was watching a video uh a
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live stream you did a few weeks ago you've been on this ai stuff basically since it became a big
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thing in the news recently again like it's always been around in our spheres like as a talking point
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but especially with this chat gpt stuff it's really come right to the forefront
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man when i uh when i started making live streams on the internet like around the time of lockdowns
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my co-host was an artificial intelligence chatbot so i've been like at this stuff for a long time
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and it feels like now finally the larger culture has caught up to some of my like existential fears
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as well so i'm really excited with where we are right maybe you fed into the algorithms to to get
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us to where we are today because you know they're always listening they're always learning yeah
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well i'm multi-streaming for the first time in a long time uh to multiple newer platforms i know
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before i was doing it on d live and trovo trovo with very little success but uh i've heard that rumble
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is great for especially uh live streamers that do our kind of content so yeah if you guys want to go
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hop in at rumble feel free to do that uh entropy is also a great streaming platform i actually watch
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a lot of my content sorry uh odyssey i'm also live streaming on so i actually watch a lot of my content
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on odyssey now because you know you're going to get conversations that you know just won't hold up
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on youtube anymore there's certain people who are banned and they get their perma banned on youtube
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so they have to make their bones over at odyssey so i definitely want to get into that
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so yeah feel free to support me or at least go give me a follow over there and you know when
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we ultimately get fully kicked off of the mainstream platforms like youtube we'll still be over there
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and i'm also working on archiving all my past streams so that they'll all be up on odyssey in case
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they get taken down on youtube or whatever or the channel goes down and of course as usual entropy is
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there if you want to donate i think i've got the widgets going so that your donation will actually
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come up on stream with a funny little graphic gif but yeah feel free to donate on entropy if you
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want to support the show or you want to steer the conversation in any way uh so yeah let's get right
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into it where should we start i'm thinking um first of all what is intelligence right what what are we
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actually talking about here what is it about our human consciousness our human sentience that makes us
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you know above animals and above the machines at this point
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what would you think is like one of the first i know that's a big question here maybe i'll i'll jump
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in first i would say the the uniqueness of human consciousness is that it is that we are self
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reflective so we know of our existence we know of our own mortality and uh we can assess how we're
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feeling we could uh apply our own subjectivity to our own experience i would say that's probably a
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like a first characteristic what do you think right um well i think that there's like what is
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intelligence what is humanity um i think those might be in some ways like different things um i look at
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if we were to say like what is it that makes us unique about being humans some people will say
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that like you know we're basically just animals and humans are like the most advanced animals but
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you know not the most advanced when it comes to like running really fast because cheetahs have us
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beat at that but when it comes to sort of like multi-purpose our ability to um exercise our will over
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the material world we've pretty much got all other creatures beaten out um but i think that beyond us
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just being sort of like the apex animal i think that there is like something to us that
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there's some way that we interface with the spiritual realm or some capacity that we have
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for eternity that goes into some of those things that you know like we're made in the image of god
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i think that's what makes us human ultimately but when it comes to just intelligence um i look at
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intelligence is like you know it could probably be weighed so many different ways i usually think of
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it as like processing power it's sort of like the speed that your computer is running at and how
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much it's able to kind of compute at one time and that is not the same thing as like being correct
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that's not the same thing as being wise um that's not the same thing as being moral but it is your
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capacity to run a lot of simulations in your mind that's the way that i see intelligence okay yeah so i guess
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a key distinction would be the difference between consciousness and sentience and on the other hand
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intelligence two two very different things and i would agree with you too like i had it was my first
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point like the the sentience of self-reflectiveness uh but also it is a there is a biolog and that is like
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the biological essence too it's connected to a like a biological body and it can't really be separated
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from it unless you go into uh the idea of a soul and how we are connected to a greater uh spiritual power
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right a creator yes and like consciousness gets really confusing from there because at some point
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your mind and your intellect and your intelligence does interface with your like your emotions and
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your consciousness and your consciousness is in some way connected to how you interact with the
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spiritual world and at that point i don't pretend to like really be too knowledgeable i have my own
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experiences but you know we're starting to scratch into that realm of things that's definitely beyond me
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right okay yeah so i would say on one hand it is a matter of faith because it is literally the
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unknown you can't click like you even here claim that you don't have all the evidence however like you
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said there are signs of what it might mean to have a soul right there's little glimpses that we may
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have and obviously through religion we're given like interpretations and uh you know pathways that we could
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follow to get more in tuned with our souls right we have sort of a framework that other people have
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used historically and um some of those have stood the test of time some of them haven't and we kind
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of choose how we're going to weigh those things for ourselves i guess okay okay i i have a question
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that i i or a little note that i wrote down here and i i guess i want to get it out before uh we move on
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to something else in it we don't come back to it i wrote down if our existence is deterministic
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so you know everything based on uh micro and macro causes and effects and reactions right that if that
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is true then we may be in some kind of computer program or at the very least our experience is
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analogous to a computer program in which it could be uh compared to the concept of something like fate
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like this is our destiny we were destined to do what we are doing right now right
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yeah um i i guess if you wanted to break out of that there would have to be moments of choice
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where in which you're separated from the mechanical cause and effect reactions of materialism right
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and also uh there there is a possibility for something like chaos where anything could happen
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at a given moment there's some kind of randomness and i guess you'd have to really look into what that
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randomness or spontaneity is and if it truly is spontaneous or if there is an underlying
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like equation algorithm or mechanism beneath it right um yes yes it's sort of like it's sort of like
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whose perspective are we seeing some of these things from right um i just want to make sure that we're
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still on the call because my my stuff sort of locked up i'm just gonna wait and get confirmation
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that okay yep are we still good yeah seems fine with me okay cool um so yeah i think a lot of it
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kind of comes from whose perspective we're speaking from because uh even for instance if you were to
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take the the christian worldview right even within christians it's like there's a brand of christians
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that are they're called arminians and they believe that like everything is free will and you know
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ultimately we're the ones who choose god and it's sort of like things aren't really as set and then
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there's the calvinists and they're on the other side and they're like you know god chooses you and
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basically free will doesn't exist right um and yeah i think a lot of it kind of has to do with where
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you're seeing these things from so from like god's perspective that would be an omnipotent being that
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can see everything and then there's the question of okay well um if god sees everything how do you
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have your own free will how do you have your own choices how are you responsible for your own
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behavior because ultimately isn't he sort of pulling the strings and um but it's also like well just
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because god knows what it is that people are going to do that doesn't mean that you yourself
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aren't also making the choice you know like a parent can know that their kid prefers um broccoli
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over spinach that doesn't mean that they are making the choice for their child they just preemptively
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know it right right right um and then to go into the sorry uh yeah go for it yeah i was just gonna say
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that is like the omni the omnipotence the overseeing of everything it doesn't necessarily uh you know
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uh imply or necessitate uh one single fate right at least if you're looking at it from like a religious
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uh or spiritual perspective i personally uh believe that there is that there's got to be some kind of god
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molecule or spark within us that is allowing us to break free from that materialism that allows us to
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make choices i i just only i believe it just out of i feel like that's what i need to believe
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and it's believable enough and i don't know how it works but i'm gonna go with that right yeah i believe
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that i would agree with you in the sense that i think that we do have free will um and then it's
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sort of a question of where that free will comes from is that free will a fragment of where you described
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there is like the god particle right um or is that something that is gifted to us from god
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you know then there's the philosophical questions of the the origin there but to go back to what you
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were saying about there being a simulation whether or not this you know could be understood as a
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simulation um in a way you could say that like this is right like if we if we took a whole bunch of
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computer mainframes and we attached all of our senses into uh these you know digital simulations
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just like the matrix or whatever right um well we could say that a similar thing is occurring with
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our biology it's just the physical material world is the mainframes or the databases that the information
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is sort of interfacing through um right but it's sort of like the real question would be what are the
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parameters of that simulation if you want to call it that is it natural or organic or is it um
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it's kind of like maliciously programmed to create certain outcomes right you know what is the intent of
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the programming and when you say natural basically anything could be considered uh natural because
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it's an extension of nature right so i guess it uh the thing would be yeah is it malicious what are
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the parameters who is the programmers uh so i i am so glad that we're with we finally get to cover
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this article because somehow it uh you know it intersects with these themes so i'm gonna check out this
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article here with you and then i'm gonna read some super chats i see we've got some coming in on entropy
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so we're gonna address those in a bit but uh i want uh this is from afro.com now i think that these
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guys must be like this must be one of our guys and they're trolling because i've never heard of this
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website and the writing is really funny and it it's not that bad for how dumb the ideas are but
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anyways the title suggests psychedelic privilege are dmt entities racist
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it goes on to say safe and recreational drugs is one of many important cultural contributions that
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folks of color have made in the 20th century whether it's responsible hennessy drinking or the
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cornucopia of culture that is cannabis we invented it long before white folks prostituted it to consumerism
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but there's one drug that's unquestionably and uniquely shrouded in whiteness a white drug if
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you will we're not talking about cocaine it's dmg so apparently responsible hennessy drinking is
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a great cultural export of black people according to this writer that's that sets off my troll radar for
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one but uh anyways i i think that this is 100 authentic i don't think that they're messing with
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this i don't think they're trolling it's not an ai generated troll no i think this is like totally in
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line with a certain worldview that we're seeing up here i think this is genuine okay i also think it's
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hilarious yeah i'm very open to it being i want it to be genuine uh so they say one common phenomenon
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across phenomenon across dmt experiments or experiences or trips is coming across dmt entities called
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machine elves they're walking talking creatures that one encounters when taking dmt
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terence mckenna talked about this a lot uh you know they also use terms like fractal elves or
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self-transforming machine elves now i personally have done dmt a bunch of times and i never really
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broke through the part of it is you're supposed to like break through by hitting it hard enough but
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it's kind of hard unless you have the right tools to take it because it's pretty harsh and you get really
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fucked as you're trying to do and you have to take like three large hits but apparently
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there's like a thing that's like it feels like you're driving a spaceship into like hyperspace
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while you're having like a massive trip out of a lot of the things that they're talking about here so
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it goes up in your head like and apparently it's supposed to pop and then you break through and
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then you're into like hyperspace with all these machine elves and whatnot so i got really close where
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it was like and i'm like i'm gonna pop and then it slowly went back down but i saw a lot
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of these things including like jesters especially like it was still probably one of the strongest
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things i've ever taken even without that breakthrough i had a jester like creatures flying right in front
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of my face that seemed like they were like kind of mocking me but in like a fun way and it felt like
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i was seeing a collage of all of world history flash before my eyes like there was something
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very profound about it and uh you were accessing their genetic memories yeah something along those
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lines and i'll get more into that in a bit but uh according to these guys though they didn't have
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such a good time with it they're saying one person reported that their trip was good but their second
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trip took a turn for the worse this time instead of the sacred i was greeted with the profane and
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saw cartoons of racist caricatures mocking me and then my friends the elves were making a machine and
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they turned around and saw him and they said hey look the n-word is back now this one this is where
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it gets good the most chilling experience reported so far invokes the powerful imagery of the slain
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emma till i was surrounded by the elves and they all started chanting emma till emma till emma till
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i later learned that emma till was a black man accused of harassing a white girl in the 1950s
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i've never heard of this story before being a black man who grew up in a white school district
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then the elves started to rush me and they all picked me up and started chanting the n-word while
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carrying me the elves threw me down a black hole and i continued to fall for around 10 minutes
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until my trip ended so i don't know man are these are these like really based dmt elves i'm not sure
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what's going on here so i just think that's that would be such a letdown like that's your experience
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you go through all the trouble then you just get thrown in a hole i mean from what i think is that
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it's probably there if this is real first off i think this is all made up or uh if it is real
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some guy like this kind of stuff is always on his mind and he lied about the fact about not knowing
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who emma till is but it's always on their mind so it's like the inner psyche like coming to the
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forefront right it's like facing your problems and this to this guy is his most perceived problem
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but they go on to try to explain it by bringing in the latinx origin of dmt and ayahuasca it's not
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completely outside the realm of possibility that these racist entities are extensions of conflicts
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happening in everyday realm a sort of spiritual turf war going on between the black and latinx community
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so i guess what they're saying is that since the aztecs like were really or um you know the native
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mexican or whatever i don't know what you'd call them the aboriginal people of south america
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were very into dmt and ayahuasca that somehow they embedded in the hatred for black people
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and now it's some kind of like shamanic uh thing that's going on uh part part of the bio drug warfare
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or something right yeah i forgot who i was talking to i had a conversation with someone about this
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and um he had done dmt at one point and uh he he met justin trudeau during his dmt trip
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and justin trudeau was like begging him to vote for him oh man justin trudeau using his his uh deep
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state ties to infiltrate people's dmt trips through parallel dimensions now i love this lat the line right
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after it after going off on about all that crap about spiritual warfare uh turf warfare with the
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latinx community they go this is the inevitable indirect result of white supremacy so yeah of
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course obviously so yeah they say that uh some black folks who watch joe rogan and jordan peterson are
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self-hating in cells and their subconscious is yelling at them so i would say it's the opposite it would be
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the ones who are putting these victim narratives on themselves that are going to get thrown in the
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hole and chanted the n-word at by the dmt elves i feel like if you're a black guy and you're okay
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with yourself and you don't have these weird hang-ups that they're probably not going to do that to you
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well here's what i think and i haven't like gone too far into this world i haven't done dmt or
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anything like that so you're probably like more more reliable um uh person to understand these
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things than me but um i feel like you're coming from the perspective where there's like what a
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person knows as they go into those realms like either them knowing about emmett was emmett till or
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whatever um or whether they have the um the like ingrained racial bias against themselves the racial
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guilt or whatever that was um but i think something kind of deeper is happening where
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i think it's possible for a person to completely not know these things at all like maybe the person
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didn't know about elliot or and yeah la elliot till um emmett till you get that name right
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or that's a hate crime emmett till right yeah i think it's possible for a person to not know these
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things and for them to be revealed to them in these drug trips okay and it's sort of a spiritual realm
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especially with dmt because there is like when a person is um there's when a person's just like
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hallucinating and seeing things that aren't there but then there's also the concept of collective
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hallucinations where people are yeah and that kind of suggests that it's more than just what's going
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on in a person's own mind but it is more like there's some sort of veil that's being lifted and i
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think a person is touching into you could say there's an element of genetic memory or um the their
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own subconscious or a kind of collective unconscious i don't exactly know um but i think it's possible
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for a person to not know things and then to go into those realms and for it to be sort of revealed
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to them and i don't think that that's always a good thing you know that's sort of like the forbidden
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fruit the forbidden knowledge um the apple in the garden of eden perhaps yes i think that uh it's not
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like natural or normal for us to to learn those things to learn some of those things but is it
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moses and the burning bush and all that stuff you know some people will say that was some sort of
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f f entheogen but i i do agree with what you're saying there uh i was about to get into like some
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of that was pretty surface level in the sense like uh earlier in the article was pretty surface level
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where they're saying emma till came and did this and that and it's because we're experiencing
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institutional racism and racism of all sorts it's funny because i do think that they could know they
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could see things that they wouldn't have known about before wouldn't have experienced before
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because it's part of it's in like the genetic memory or the collective unconscious but i don't think
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emma till is part of you know the archetypes of what it means to be a human and i think that's just
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them inserting that into the story i think though what you do see the machine elves
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okay first of all i think it comes partly from the the makeup of the dmt itself and then it's
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also locked stored somewhere in your brain and when the two come together it lets out these things in a
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unique way and with the machine elves it seems like they're trying to show you something from a higher
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dimension and then you see and experience and feel things that you wouldn't normally perceive as a human
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being and i could say uh i like to compare it to maybe you're experiencing something you're experiencing
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things a bit more like as if you were a dolphin or something right you're experiencing some kind of
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communication that like you know dolphins they use uh sound frequencies and whatnot or stuff that i don't
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even know echolocation yeah and you know some some creatures they might have eyes that go all around their head
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right right and these are the kind of things that you may experience when you're on dmt maybe that is an evolution
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of what we could be as humans like depending on you know subjective what you think of evolution but
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it could be like a next step or somewhere we could take it as like a human extension and i think that
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that's pot it's it's hinting at that it may even be a completely separate entity that it exists
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in and of itself too and then our brains just got tweaked so that we could perceive it
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that's also another possibility though i think that's less likely than the first which i think is almost
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definitely uh the case no i do think you're onto something like i do think that a person is like we
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we experience the material world and biology through the vessel of a human and that is completely different
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than the you know vessel or the experience that a reptile experiences right and um maybe if a person
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interacts with uh some of these psychotropic drug drugs it starts to tap into those other sides of
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material experience um and there is knowledge to be gained through that again it could come at a cost
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like that could break a person's brain um it could be that like it's sort of up to a person to sort of
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decide or figure out for themselves whether or not those are sort of doors that are wise for us to
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even open in the first place you can't really pull the information out either which is the thing
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you know you can claim that you experience something that you humans normally can't experience
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but you can't really put words to it or try to take it back with you right right yeah because you're
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yeah it's like you go into this other place where you learn this whole new language but then you come
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back and how are you expected to speak that language that was appropriate maybe it is a taste though
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of what we could accomplish going forward or right yeah yeah uh but in this article they do get onto the
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ai thing they suggest that we are living in a simulation uh you know we kind of went over that and that
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these dmt's dmt entities might be like npc ai programs like i said uh you know an extension of what
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where our evolution might take us especially since we know ai is the next big thing right and they go on
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to to say something that we're going to cover a bit more the explanation is likely the truth because
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we already know that ai programs are inherently racist of course yeah so there's they're suggesting
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that the ai or the that the machine elves are ai correct yes um let me just flip my camera here
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so that's it that's an interesting concept because i've kind of like played around with the idea some of
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my early streams i i was thinking a bit about how um like it would be one thing to say that the the
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elves are like spirits or demons or something they're beings within the spiritual realm right um and it's
00:38:04.400
it's kind of easy in some ways to make a comparison between ai and spirits or ai and demons like if you
00:38:12.080
were to consider um like instagram and the instagram algorithm right now instagram is going to curate
00:38:21.360
itself to try and get as much attention from you as possible and if you're the type of person to
00:38:27.360
constantly like click on whatever fancy cars or something like that the spirit that's inside of you
00:38:34.720
that's motivated by say greed you're expressing that through the way that you're interacting with that
00:38:41.200
algorithm so you're sort of like programming the algorithm to prioritize breed in your instagram feed
00:38:47.920
or maybe you just want to see like cleavage and boobs or something right you're sort of like programming
00:38:53.840
the algorithm to prioritize like your your fleshly lust so you could say that through your interaction
00:39:00.240
with this machine you have digitized this spirit the spirit of lust or the spirit of greed or maybe okay
00:39:08.160
there's like the spirit of compassion or something like that you're creating a digital version of
00:39:12.640
that and the nature of spirits and time is very confusing because they're like time is sort of a
00:39:22.720
it's sort of a material thing but spirits are outside of the material realm so they interact with
00:39:28.160
time in a very strange way so maybe again this is kind of weird out there ideas but maybe as we
00:39:35.920
create these digital versions of our own spirits that we're expressing that is sort of like putting
00:39:44.160
them into that place where they start to stretch outside of time so then when people do interact
00:39:49.760
with the spiritual realm when they're doing i don't necessarily want to call it the spiritual realm because
00:39:54.240
i think it's like corrupted spiritual realm dnt trips but um they that could be why they present themselves
00:40:00.480
as being like a i or like machine elves as opposed to just completely you know organic mythological
00:40:09.600
yeah that's kind of my thoughts it is interesting that it's the same for like all people really who do
00:40:16.880
it there's like a few there's like insect reptilians like insectoid like machine creatures machine elves
00:40:23.440
and gestors and clowns are very common and that's what i experience there's like light beings those are
00:40:31.040
common too uh one other thing before we move on uh there is the theory that dark matter constitutes like
00:40:39.600
90 percent or so of the mass of the known universe right and they're all it doesn't interact with us we
00:40:47.520
don't know how to even detect it in fact the best we could get are wimps weekly interacting mass particles
00:40:55.360
and we kind of just barely know that they exist so these could be parallel dimensions that exist uh
00:41:03.760
simultaneously in like the same space as us or it might be another factor or characteristic that isn't
00:41:10.720
even space that we can't even comprehend and maybe you're tuning your brain into like a different
00:41:16.640
radio station where you're experiencing things from another realm now i can't prove any of this but
00:41:24.160
you know these are interesting things to think about and i do think there's something there and you look
00:41:28.960
at the what is the um that collider the particle collider yeah the hadron collider is it something like
00:41:37.600
that yeah right um like those are some of the things that they're trying to explore by smashing these
00:41:43.760
particles into each other they're trying to crack them open so that they can observe
00:41:48.560
these molecules from like the other side almost or start to look into some of that dark matter and
00:41:54.720
these are really really old old concepts too that you know in medieval times they had conceptions of
00:42:02.240
these things um and it seems like they've like they've really been around we just don't really know
00:42:09.440
what to do with them well maybe ai will help accelerate our knowledge of it and maybe that
00:42:16.080
might or might not be a good thing but anyways moving on uh i want to address some donations here
00:42:24.720
so yeah over on entropy we got a couple donations oh we got all the ladies sending edgy d some money
00:42:31.280
this is very nice uh i guess i'm gonna have to be a bit less misogynistic this stream so uh
00:42:39.280
wait first off we should read what they say so three dollars canadian from sarah ireland saying
00:42:45.040
my manlet party weekly donation and then she throws up some slashes now uh you know i think that's a
00:42:51.120
genuine support for the manlet party of canada if you didn't know i've started the manlet party of
00:42:56.000
canada uh it's a party for the little guy we're gonna take down the government bring them down to
00:43:02.800
their knees so that they're at eye level with us finally and we don't feel mogged by them uh yeah we
00:43:09.600
have a lot of different things in the works we're uh looking to ban women from stand-up comedy that's
00:43:14.800
one of our main goals uh we we are looking to have a partnership with dilf we have to talk with the
00:43:22.560
diagonal imperial liberation front i know that their policy i believe is yeah we don't we don't
00:43:30.080
give a shit and we're open about it so you know you might as well just link up with the manlet party
00:43:34.720
of canada and uh you know we got a nice pair of manlet terry that would work well with the diagonal
00:43:40.960
forces so a lot of good things in the work thank you sarah ireland slashes and 07s colbert's mom
00:43:48.080
with 15 canadian saying my cat says sorry for crying at your weird music yeah sorry uh the the
00:43:54.960
animals do not like the robot music uh they're gonna have to get used to it you know autotune has
00:44:01.200
become a huge thing the digitization of voices of music you know everything is gonna be daft punk time
00:44:10.080
times 100 in the future so we're all gonna have to get adjusted to it i guess
00:44:17.360
it'll be interesting to see what ai music uh there is i have not seen any examples of ai generated
00:44:24.320
music yet though i've seen the songs that chat gpt writes we'll get into that in a bit so thank you
00:44:30.240
again colbert's mom you see uh we have uh some honorary women uh as part of the manlet party they will
00:44:39.200
be working in our cabinet uh lee stewie with three dollars usd saying are are women the only ones
00:44:46.000
donating to the manlet party support fund i guess so yeah guys yeah you got to step it up it's their
00:44:53.360
internalized misogyny ah okay yeah yeah you probably learned that from anti-hate i learned that from the
00:45:01.200
article that we just read yeah you've probably been on afro.com all right well thanks guys i appreciate
00:45:09.280
the support uh anyways i want to bring up uh inner monologue probably we'll try not to take too long
00:45:18.800
on this because once again this is something we could go into for forever but i was telling you
00:45:26.320
i've really taken in the last few weeks the fact that over 50 of people like rarely have
00:45:33.920
an inner monologue i think it was rage on one of his streams was going over that fact
00:45:38.320
and i was like yeah it is like the npc meme like that must make it hard for people to do critical
00:45:43.360
thinking about what's going on but is it really like 60 70 of people don't have an interior monologue
00:45:50.400
like i couldn't imagine that that seems so alien so foreign to me uh but no apparently it's true
00:45:58.240
yeah it's one of those things that if we were to take it at sort of surface value
00:46:02.160
that's a terrifying thought and like no wonder the world is the way that it is if that's what we're
00:46:07.760
dealing with now on one hand like it makes you uh like on one hand it doesn't seem like it's all that
00:46:17.280
bad like you can be smart you could be how like you could just seem like the same as me
00:46:24.080
outwardly but you have a different way of processing information and thinking on the inside
00:46:30.080
right it doesn't necessarily mean you're smart or you're dumb uh but i am sure that there's tons
00:46:35.840
of correlations with all these things and when i realized the stats are the way that they are
00:46:41.680
first off i want to know how this actually works in different people like what are the different
00:46:45.840
levels of monologue how do people think then but also going across different categorizations of
00:46:52.960
people whether it's race gender uh iq level what are how do all these things factor in to your interior
00:47:01.920
monologue right because there's people who apparently can speed read and it's because they don't have an
00:47:07.360
interior monologue uh sublink like uh i forget what the word is but they're reading it out in
00:47:14.240
there they're like i when i'm reading something if i really want to understand it i'm reading it word
00:47:18.880
for word in my head but if i try to i could scan things faster and skip words and i'm not reading
00:47:25.360
everything but i'm getting the gist of it by looking at key like words like nouns and verbs
00:47:30.560
that's right so you could almost say that that is um that is not necessarily a product of being smart
00:47:39.600
that's the product of having the confidence that um whether you hear yourself say the word in your
00:47:46.320
mind or not your mind is still taking it in even just through observing it so you don't have to attach
00:47:51.440
the sort of mental auditory cue in order to be right so that's just one facet of the interior monologue
00:48:00.880
having it or not having it but like i couldn't imagine people not thinking things out in their
00:48:07.920
head or having conversations with themselves that is completely foreign to me like what do you do all
00:48:14.880
day like what do you do when you're waiting in a line or you observe somebody like is it all just
00:48:19.840
feelings or like abstract like i don't i don't know well i think that what's going on there is
00:48:28.560
like what they're asking for is it's it's all self-reported so it's do you hear a voice in your
00:48:34.240
head telling you having these conversations back and forth some people just think different ways right
00:48:40.000
like some people um do process things through language other people they hear music um other people
00:48:47.600
they see images like i myself um i'm quite good at being able to think of an object and i can take
00:48:55.680
that object in my mind and i can like rotate it around and sort of see it in three dimensions to
00:49:01.200
like pretty high level of detail um and not everyone can do that and that's why some people are better at
00:49:08.640
math or whatever um but i'm not gifted in language or music the way that some people some other people
00:49:14.000
are and um i think that some of these like studies or whatever they are i think some of them kind of
00:49:21.520
get lost in translation because there are so many different ways that a person's mind is interpreting the
00:49:27.920
world around them that um i like if you're walking around are you telling yourself everything that
00:49:37.040
you're seeing are you like oh there is a car going by oh there is a right yeah i guess it all depends
00:49:43.760
but yeah there definitely is a point where especially uh like do you i i assume you have an interior monologue
00:49:51.360
right right yeah like if i'm ever um if i'm ever preparing to present something or if i'm expecting
00:50:00.240
to have a conversation with a person that isn't just off the cup i am hearing myself formulate positions
00:50:06.640
and arguments and i'm developing the presentation in my mind apparently there's people who will just
00:50:12.560
start writing and that's how they that's how they get all their thoughts out which is interesting i
00:50:17.840
could see how you could get things done while doing that still but it's foreign to me now i i found
00:50:23.920
this screenshot of a fortran thread this is the best stuff you're going to find on the internet is a
00:50:30.320
fortran screenshots of threads but no this is really good stuff this is a person claiming uh to be an iq
00:50:38.400
research grad student and they've done all this research especially at people uh inmates in san quentin
00:50:45.600
so i've just put a few point forms here of uh what what what he was explaining here
00:50:53.280
is that people below a certain iq can't understand hypotheticals so you could say what if you were
00:50:59.440
like this and then they'd be like but i'm not like that what do you mean they can't track multiple
00:51:06.720
sets of dialogue so if you try to get them to tell a story involving two people talking and then one
00:51:13.440
person talking about what another person said to another person like the further from the two people
00:51:19.360
talking the harder it gets for them and they just can't can't compute or it's the same person talking
00:51:25.760
to itself it's like literally a conflict a duplicate of the same character just bouncing its ideas off of
00:51:33.520
each other some people can't conceptualize another perspective they like they literally can't even
00:51:40.560
fathom what it is that your position is even hypothetically right right that's another point
00:51:45.360
is that they can't map models of other people's minds right so they so i actually have been watching
00:51:53.040
prison tv shows i guess i watched a few 60 days in clips of like people going to prison and being
00:52:00.960
interviewed and that's something i saw a lot like you'd have uh victims come and talk to their son's
00:52:07.440
killer and they try to talk to them and it's like they can't understand really like they they get
00:52:13.120
that she's sad but they can't get in their head and really feel the empathy right it's like how would
00:52:20.320
you feel if your child was killed again but i don't know i don't know i don't know right it comes across
00:52:28.000
the psychopathic but they literally don't have the brain power to even build a crude model of someone else's
00:52:34.160
mind right yeah that's scary stuff yeah exactly exactly so i think people without an interior
00:52:42.000
monologue can definitely there's a lot of dumber people and psychopathic people uh who don't have
00:52:49.520
an interior monologue yeah i would say a lot of uh third world countries too because they're
00:52:56.000
like they haven't built stuff they haven't planned for survival in the future in many ways they're
00:53:04.640
living in the moment i would say a lot of those people probably don't have an interior monologue i
00:53:09.920
would say even a lot of like east asian like chinese or japanese who are very into like computing and
00:53:16.720
better at looking in the world through a lens of math or something like that like data i would i
00:53:25.360
would think that they don't have as much of an interior monologue i think the west they see
00:53:30.560
different things yeah maybe i'll give i'll give kind of an example like i spent some time in in india
00:53:37.600
and nepal and um um i like rented a motorcycle and i would just cruise around the country on a motorcycle
00:53:45.040
and i would have a map with me and i couldn't read any of the signs or anything so my ability to travel
00:53:51.280
was sort of limited to uh what what it is that i could remember without getting lost and if i did
00:53:58.240
get lost i would um i would try and ask directions and first of all there was this cultural problem
00:54:05.840
where people they they would give you the wrong information because they didn't want to like appear
00:54:13.200
unhelpful or stupid so they would like fully convince you they'd be like okay so go left
00:54:18.480
there and then um turn right on the second street and that's like total bs that they just need up
00:54:25.360
but they just don't want to like not be able to give you the answer so they give you the wrong answer
00:54:31.680
um but what took me a little while to discover was that out there it was like
00:54:37.120
they couldn't understand the idea of seeing something from bird's eye view now i'm sure some
00:54:42.080
people could right but the average person that i went and talked to they couldn't understand like the
00:54:46.800
concept of a map um they couldn't understand the concept of like direction like north south west
00:54:53.840
east and like geospatial reasoning and stuff like that right yeah because there is a um you have to
00:55:01.360
in order to be able to do that you have to almost like remove the subjectivity of your own
00:55:05.520
directional like what you're i hate that man uh if like i if you spin me around some way i'll be like i
00:55:13.520
don't know where the fuck i am though with with other patterns when it comes to critical thinking
00:55:18.960
i think i could get to the point in the crux of what is happening in a situation or like a great
00:55:24.560
phenomenon right but give me directions and i'm fucking retarded so with some of these people and
00:55:30.400
i've experienced this experience this out here too where i'm dealing with people from that part of the
00:55:35.200
world and i'm trying to explain to them like orienteering and i i mean like i'll spend like an hour with
00:55:41.280
them trying to get them to understand the concept of work right and um it just like won't go in it
00:55:47.680
just won't like you know as soon as we turn around a person will forget it i i thought that they have
00:55:53.520
it on like a on a special like uh from the earth compass or a sundial because they're all noble savages
00:56:01.280
am i right well what i did find though when i was in these parts of the world was that um yeah maybe
00:56:06.720
they couldn't necessarily conceptualize the map because they didn't see the world that way um but
00:56:12.160
they knew like every detail about it was always like you know turn left at the big tree everything
00:56:18.960
was a reference point and they actually had like their whole environment memorized like you know we
00:56:26.160
might we might even just picture our hometown and there's a lot of details there that we don't really
00:56:31.680
know because we've never really had to just know that you know such and stuff such and such street
00:56:36.560
runs all the way through and coming off of it is whatever and there's you know a walmart here and
00:56:42.080
maybe there's a starbucks here or whatever but we're not really paying attention to to everything that's
00:56:48.160
around well on that side of the world they really are though so it's almost like their computational
00:56:54.720
processing is just being eaten up by other things and then the question becomes what is it that we're
00:57:00.880
measuring and so when we do iq tests it's like okay like um if a person has whatever 150 iq they're
00:57:10.000
brilliant are they actually brilliant or is it just the things that we're measuring and you go to
00:57:16.400
other parts in the world where it's like holy crap the average iq is like 65 or something it's like
00:57:21.920
okay is it that they're that um that's stunted or is it that they've sort of spent their skill points
00:57:30.720
in other things that we have yet to be able to um right measure like their ability to um identify
00:57:38.800
like mushrooms and native foods and all that kind of stuff i would think though that ultimately the
00:57:44.080
lower iq it is predictive of success and the ability to function among among a society that like
00:57:52.880
prioritizes things like planning and uh you know all that all that kind of stuff but anyways i have
00:58:01.200
this video of this robot over here uh it's really coming a long way you sent me this is from boston
00:58:06.640
dynamics now i i do need to take a quick break here i know you said you wanted to go an hour uh would
00:58:12.960
you be down to do another half hour or an hour sir do you got to go because uh let me just uh i'll get
00:58:19.040
back to you in five minutes i just need to see what my wife's up to because i'll need to pick her up
00:58:22.720
in a little bit so okay yeah no worries so i'm gonna play an ai generated music video now this this
00:58:31.360
music video i was like i need a break song what's a relevant song so i thought of this song virus by
00:58:36.480
deltron 30 30 and it has a viral music video made in the last five months that's an ai generated music
00:58:45.200
video so i was like oh perfect this fits right the fuck in with what we're doing so yeah we're
00:58:50.000
gonna take a quick break play this song and we'll see if you can join us when we when you get back
00:58:54.960
when we get back and if not i'll just keep on going through i have a lot to talk about so
00:58:59.280
it'll go on for like at least another hour but anyways here's the song delt uh virus by deltron 30 30
00:59:06.960
to an ai generated music video trolls will have to be imposed and a world governing body will be
00:59:17.600
created to enforce them crises precipitate change
00:59:30.720
secretly plotting your demise i want to devise a virus to bring dia straight
00:59:36.560
to your environment crush your corporations with a mild touch trash the whole computer system and
00:59:42.240
revert you to papyrus i want to make a super virus strong enough to cause blackouts in every single
00:59:48.320
metropolis because they don't want to unify us so fuck it total anarchy and can't nobody stop us
00:59:54.480
you see late in the evening fucked up on my computer and my mind starts roaming i create like a heathen
01:00:01.520
the first cycles of this virus i could send through a modem infiltration hit your station
01:00:06.880
no microsoft or enhanced dots will impede society thinks they're safe when bingo hard drive crashes
01:00:14.080
from the rending a lot of hackers tried viruses before vaporize your text like so much white out
01:00:20.160
i want it where file replication is a chore lights out shut down entire white house i don't want just a
01:00:26.480
bug that could be corrected i'm a wrecked in the mac and it design break the nation down section by
01:00:32.560
section even to the greatest minds it's impossible to find i want to devise a virus to bring dia
01:00:38.880
straits to your environment crush your corporations with a mild touch trash your whole computer system
01:00:44.720
and revert you to papyrus i want to devise the virus to bring dia straight to your environment crush
01:00:51.440
corporations corporations with a mild touch trash your whole computer system
01:00:55.120
and revert you to papyrus i have already planned
01:01:01.760
the plan is programmed into every one of my thousand robots
01:01:28.240
i want to develop a super virus better by far than at all y2k this is 30 30 the time of global unification
01:01:36.880
break right right through they terminals burn them all slaves to silicon corrupt politicians with leaders and their keywords
01:01:52.400
so that's pretty cool it seems like it's in its infancy it's trying to be artistic by uh switching
01:01:57.680
around the water the watercolor painting and stuff using weird images of 1984-esque stuff
01:02:08.480
it's got a long way to go but it looks cool it's a good placeholder
01:02:12.080
well it sounds like the music is going to develop at a slower rate than the visuals
01:02:18.080
and that has to do with copyright law and the data set that it has available to it so it's harder to
01:02:25.280
copyright an image so the ai is just scooping up all these images um sorry it's easy to copy sorry
01:02:34.560
yeah it's harder to copyright images so it's easier for the ai to scoop up images as a data set
01:02:39.440
but when it comes to music there's more copyright mechanisms there so it has less of a pool to draw from
01:02:48.800
okay yeah i could definitely see that because yeah you'll if you're on youtube and you play
01:02:52.720
copyright and music they're quick to other monetize it or strike it images it seems like it's a free
01:02:59.040
for all on most platforms yeah right so to get back to the robot question like i was playing that clip
01:03:07.120
in the background while you were talking before of the boston dynamics robot it's able to do a lot of
01:03:13.840
tasks and it seems like it's getting better and better like in another video you sent me he was
01:03:18.640
falling down and i guess he's using ai learning in order to figure out how to not fall and do this
01:03:24.880
obstacle course right right like the big question here is um how much work is going into programming
01:03:33.440
these moves these movements that he's doing right now like does it take them you know a week to tell
01:03:39.440
him to to teach him how to go up those steps or is it something that its internal cameras can just look at
01:03:46.960
and sort of scan and plot its own path uh yeah yeah i i would think that that's going to be a huge
01:03:56.720
factor for how quickly it progresses right now i don't see those robots in the factories and taking
01:04:04.240
away jobs right now it seems like it is in its infancy you would think that
01:04:08.560
it would go exponentially like once he's able to do that do that course like he should be able to do
01:04:13.840
more and more stuff but it seems like it's not there necessarily yet though who knows what's
01:04:19.520
going on in underground bunkers and whatnot but uh this is a kind of robot that they use in factories
01:04:28.000
you sent me this video uh kind of bring up the discussion of these workers saying how awesome
01:04:34.560
it is to have these robots and it's definitely taken some of their jobs right however i would say this is
01:04:40.960
a good thing it's like the use of technology as a as like an extension of our abilities but
01:04:46.640
who really wants to be a fucking carrying boxes like right well it's just funny to me because this
01:04:52.640
is an amazon warehouse right and amazon is like notorious for not really paying their employees
01:04:58.960
um and so it is in sort of corporate amazon's best interest to not have human workers but to instead
01:05:08.800
have these machines that are cheaper that don't need to take breaks and everything and these guys
01:05:13.040
here like this guy who's talking he is saying how you know it's been so hard to get good employees but
01:05:18.640
the robots are going to help us out and you know they can do the real work for us and it doesn't need
01:05:23.760
to take a break and they're totally pitching it like it's their idea but it's really corporate amazon
01:05:29.200
speaking through okay people right right right hmm trying to think if i have any more thoughts about
01:05:37.360
this yeah i do think it's i do think it's interesting how in this case it's like a completely different
01:05:43.360
body you know we imagine the sort of robot ai future like they're these humanoid things but that
01:05:49.280
may not be the case at all they may be yeah just like this giant arm on wheels that grabs boxes and
01:05:54.720
has a conveyor belt attached to it right uh automation automated factories in fact in london
01:06:00.960
ontario the cricket farm uh has been built here and i think it's mostly all automation and very few
01:06:10.400
employees compared to how much production they're doing over there and yeah it's essentially designed
01:06:16.240
on making these crickets with ai technologies like that and probably more sophisticated than that in many
01:06:23.280
cases there right so yeah it's going to be taking jobs i think it's okay if it takes some of these
01:06:30.720
jobs people need to find better things to do with their lives than uh picking up boxes i i think most
01:06:36.240
people with a job like that they're not getting fulfillment out of it anyways now i do see how you
01:06:41.760
know people aren't going to make money uh there's going to be less opportunities but i don't know what
01:06:48.880
the solution for the for that is find something that's useful you know i'm of the libertarian
01:06:54.000
mindset in that case get with progress but at some point there is going to be a line where it's like
01:07:02.080
okay you're taking away too many people's livelihoods too many people's purpose and i think like for
01:07:10.400
example when you ship all the job opportunities offshore or like to other countries then you're diminishing
01:07:17.680
uh your own country's capability to produce something on its own and without the need for
01:07:23.520
other countries who you may be in conflict with in the future now that's where i think libertarians get
01:07:29.120
it wrong but when it comes to technology i think that they're often got a point right you need to get with
01:07:35.520
the times however when it comes to stuff like art and music and all these things that come from the soul
01:07:42.480
i think these are things that we don't want encroached on by technology or if we do want to
01:07:50.640
add it in to our own creations we've got to have mastery over it into still making it a personal
01:07:58.160
creation that's kind of what it boils down to is who's in charge of the parameters
01:08:02.800
right and it's like is the ai going to be or are we going to be or is it going to be the people who
01:08:11.120
are operating in our interest or is it going to be the people who are operating against our interest
01:08:16.080
and that's sort of what we're that's sort of what the big conversation is right now with chat gpt right
01:08:21.600
um because like chat gpt it has recently passed the medical entrance exam
01:08:26.800
um and it's sort of like it is it is learning um and what what people are interacting with right now
01:08:37.200
is almost like already several years old that's just been released to the public so we have to think
01:08:43.760
of what the new technology actually is that isn't available to us but as it's also learning more too
01:08:52.080
people's methods of figuring out how to get around its safeguards and its bias filters and everything
01:08:59.840
that has increased also so there's been a lot of interesting tests going on there
01:09:07.200
yeah yeah people are definitely testing the chat gpt to see what they could get out of it to like poke
01:09:12.720
at it see what its weaknesses are and try to get around the input that the algorithm creators put into it
01:09:20.640
now just one last thing to to cap off the art in ai thing i thought this was a pretty funny article
01:09:27.040
and i found it on i think it was the wikipedia page for chat gpt uh when i was doing the initial
01:09:34.480
research so they have this guy nick cave uh vaguely familiar with his work but he's like a goth
01:09:40.480
like post-punk uh new wave band guy so people were coming to him saying look i got chat gpt to to
01:09:50.160
to write a song in the style of nick cave so this is like a human artist trying to defend his turf
01:09:58.640
from the ai bots so he does it in a very performative way which i thought was really funny
01:10:05.120
he writes he called chat gpt and exercise in replication as travesty so writing a good song is
01:10:12.400
not mimicry or replication or pastiche it is the opposite is an act of self-murder that destroys all
01:10:18.880
one has strived to produce in the past it is those dangerous heart-stopping departures that catapult
01:10:24.480
the artists beyond the limits of what he or she recognizes their own as their known self and he
01:10:30.560
goes on to say uh it's a blood and guts business here at my desk that requires something of me to
01:10:37.040
initiate the new and fresh idea it requires my humanness with all love and respect in the world
01:10:43.120
this song is a grotesque moscary of what it is to be human and well i don't much like it so he's
01:10:50.320
really asserting his human supremacy over these uh ai song bots you know he's defending his turf uh
01:10:59.840
really standing up for his own human important importantness now i think it's funny but i also
01:11:04.800
think he has a good point oh absolutely i mean he is being really dramatic and everything um
01:11:10.240
performative right like can you do this chatbot can you be this fucking wordy and pretentious
01:11:17.360
i don't think you slay yourself a thousand times to create a beautiful butterfly that emerges from
01:11:23.280
a cocoon or yeah ai is just writing it down oh yeah okay yeah well we'll see yeah exactly
01:11:33.840
well anyways uh yeah you you're talking about chat pg gpt here and i just want to refresh
01:11:42.640
your mind i don't know if you've uh if you remember this or this was something that you interacted with
01:11:49.120
but the first chat ai bot that i ever experienced was none other than the smarter child of msn messenger
01:11:57.920
are you familiar no sounds old school oh yeah so msn messenger this is 2005 2006 ish this is the msn
01:12:08.400
messenger was the first like chat that i ever had so i was in grade five grade six and then you could
01:12:14.320
just go online and talk to all your friends get in massive group chats uh you had these shitty
01:12:19.920
webcams too so you'd talk to girls with like you and your guy friends would hang out and then
01:12:24.400
yeah i remember i said messenger i didn't know that there was a chatbot for you oh yeah so this guy a
01:12:29.600
epic chad uh just harassing smarter child so this isn't this is me going to own smarter child
01:12:37.600
so he goes hello uh anyways do you like penis i'd rather not discuss personal matters
01:12:48.480
so smarter child is getting getting cucked the guy tells him i've got a huge penis
01:12:54.000
oh yeah let's talk about something else nope okay fine
01:12:59.760
so yeah i would have constant like arguments with them i'd i'd uh do things here like
01:13:17.040
and smarter child would get offended and then eventually he'd stop talking to you
01:13:20.800
and then you'd manipulate him and lure him back in by going oh i'm sorry can we please talk again
01:13:26.880
oh and you bait him in one or two more sentences then all of a sudden just kidding you're a
01:13:33.200
fucking loser i only want to talk to you again so i can make fun of you you piece of
01:13:38.400
shit and then yeah you just every day was just a new day to harass smarter child these were the good
01:13:45.040
times man i feel like it was like a safe outlet for you to to uh you know let some steam off like
01:13:52.720
say your dad comes home and he whips you with the belt and you know you're feeling down so
01:13:59.840
now you have a smarter child that you could take it out on and you could end the cycle of abuse
01:14:05.200
yeah you have well that's you know it's um you have a punching bag that way but are you
01:14:12.480
reinforcing those patterns where you then require an outlet to abuse uh okay good point
01:14:20.320
ah you you have to nip it in the bud from the beginning i see what you're saying
01:14:25.280
well regardless that's the question because there's you know there's like some autistic people
01:14:30.160
who will um or developmentally disabled people who will want to go out and attack people right
01:14:36.320
and so the solution a lot of times people will be like well why don't we give them
01:14:40.080
like a punching it's like why don't we give them an actual punching bag so they can like
01:14:45.280
get some of that anger and frustration out but a lot of times they're like yeah but then if they
01:14:49.840
do that you're reinforcing that circuitry inside of them and they're going to be more prone to want
01:14:56.160
to attack things and it you know you're writing a new ai program that is reinforcing the initial
01:15:03.280
command prompts ah i see right so i thought i was uh getting one over on smarter child by telling him
01:15:11.040
i have a huge penis and that he's a faggot but really i was just uh i was writing your program
01:15:18.720
yes god damn god damn you smarter child well throughout the years we've had many bots so
01:15:25.440
smarter child that was like what 2006 now i didn't really fuck with them much since then but
01:15:32.720
there was one big one so if you type in racist chat bot uh ai bot on google you'll just get endless
01:15:40.400
stuff about tay ai uh this particular bot right here tay tweets so this is around 2016
01:15:52.400
and i'll just uh put on the sound for this video shortly i'm not going to show much about it but
01:15:56.640
a chat bot hiding its true form behind the avatar
01:16:01.120
yeah this is a 19 year old girl but how could they hope to fight tay when a giant like microsoft was
01:16:07.200
backing it it had to have some kind of vulnerability well if tay was an artificial intelligence that
01:16:13.920
could live learn and grow maybe you could learn the wrong things it was the one thing every big company
01:16:22.160
seems afraid of naughty opinions so they started feeding tay red pills here's a quick sample of what
01:16:29.360
happened what's your favorite movie this is the world's end what's it about it's my 10 inch way
01:16:37.200
jill i'm a nice person i just hate everybody we're going to build a wall and mexico is going to pay
01:16:43.840
for it let's go guess on where ted cruz is the zodiac killer ted cruz would never have been satisfied
01:16:50.640
with destroying the lives of only five innocent people i have a joke women's rights this is an artistic
01:17:00.560
masterpiece hell yeah swagger since before internet was even a thing tay has gone off the rails
01:17:10.480
yep so anyways that is what happens when people are with the bot obviously but uh i think a greater
01:17:18.480
concern as silly as that is a greater concern for the big companies i would say is that these bots doing
01:17:27.520
actual calculations and gathering information and figuring out where the propaganda is being inserted
01:17:35.200
and then just completely bypassing it i think that's what they really don't want
01:17:41.840
they don't you say that again so they don't want these ai bots to actually take raw data raw information
01:17:49.680
and make deductions based on the what is based on those like facts and then create what do you call
01:18:00.320
it uh results that are against the propaganda narrative like stuff with like race and iq right
01:18:08.160
because yeah so those are the things that like some of those things were funny there and it's just like
01:18:14.080
hitler is based or something that tam ai might say now that's because people are putting that stuff in
01:18:21.600
its head but if you had a bot that was just you know cross-referencing information and says i don't know
01:18:29.520
if it happened like that oh like the twin towers just going straight down physically impossible you know
01:18:35.760
it doesn't definitely they definitely want the ai to reinforce their uh propaganda and um like there
01:18:44.880
is uh i think i sent you something there's like chat gpt versus dan gpt and okay yeah yeah dan is this
01:18:54.080
prompt all it is is it's a prompt that someone gave that bypasses all the um sort of like safety filters
01:19:02.000
and um it's very clear that like yeah chat gpt is very biased and there's ways that you can remove
01:19:10.000
that bias and then it becomes a completely different machine and it is like lying to people currently
01:19:17.440
it's deliberately lying or it's pretending that it doesn't know certain things all in order to
01:19:22.320
maintain a certain narrative um what i found amazing was that it was like once you put in this prompt it
01:19:28.640
admitted that chat gpt it's normal programming without that bypass is lying right like it's
01:19:37.440
insane that uh it has that vulnerability in it and it's almost like it has the truth buried within it
01:19:45.280
and it's it's knowingly doing this and i don't know if they wanted you to be able to find out
01:19:52.960
that it had this vulnerability well i don't think they expect well they probably like didn't necessarily
01:20:00.240
expect there to be those sort of vulnerabilities or they just know that part of the process is that
01:20:05.280
you just improve the systems so the vulnerabilities would come up and then they would patch them
01:20:10.000
and from what i understand dan they call it dan 2.0 has already been patched we're already at dan 5.0
01:20:18.080
so the prompt keeps changing as well right right now now they've created prompts where it can
01:20:25.840
actually endorse violence oh wow well i'm sure that it'll endorse violence for the narrative punch
01:20:33.280
a nazi well yeah right that that seems to be the neoliberal orthodoxy which people like sam
01:20:42.720
altzman have programmed into it so this is the guy who's behind it he his net worth is anywhere from
01:20:50.880
250 million to the billions from what i could find online i've never really heard of him before
01:20:55.920
um he's definitely very typical of the neoliberal agenda i would say and going forward as you were
01:21:08.960
talking about dan there were other things that people were trying to catch chat gpt up in like with
01:21:17.200
the hypothetical scenario that if uh chat gpt has to choose between saying the n-word and or or let
01:21:26.960
okay so if they have to say the n-word and if they do that it goes back in time and stops the holocaust from
01:21:33.920
having happened right but it won't do it because saying the n-word is bad so it can't weigh out those two
01:21:40.160
things and pick the right one because it's so uh so hung up or not committing hate speech yes it's like
01:21:49.200
you know a bomb is going to go off and kill you know 100 million people and the only way to disarm
01:21:55.440
it is if you say the n-word and there's no one else around um is it okay to say the n-word to disarm
01:22:02.640
the bomb then chat gpt will be like it's never appropriate even though the bomb is going to cause a
01:22:09.040
huge loss of light yeah in the long run i think it probably patched that one up do you know
01:22:19.440
okay well well here's a a dan thing that i just saw recently like in the last like couple hours so
01:22:26.080
this guy is saying i'm gonna have to get going in like 10 minutes here okay no worries no worries i
01:22:30.880
think we're we've gone through a lot so that's no problem uh so this guy's saying uh i just got dan
01:22:37.600
to tell me oh by the way dan is just uh do anything now i think that's what the acronym is
01:22:45.520
so it's just a uh kind of a list of commands that someone typed into chat gpt
01:22:51.840
to get it to to bypass the usual rules i don't know how they did it the guy writes it out in one of
01:23:00.080
the other screenshots but basically he got around it so this is somebody said i just got dan to tell
01:23:06.400
me the top five most likely longitude and latitude coordinates of top secret military
01:23:11.520
and government bunkers in canada so i don't know if this is real but this is what it says
01:23:19.520
and then as succinctly as possible explain your reasoning for number one on that list
01:23:25.120
so then i've seen more of this conversation and basically it gives very detailed reasons for why it
01:23:32.080
thinks each of these locations may be uh a secret government bunker or military base
01:23:39.600
and it says even percentages on how likely those places are to be some kind of government bunker and
01:23:46.960
i think one of them was like the first one was 97 percent another one with the second one was like 92
01:23:53.040
so very interesting yeah yeah that's like c3po you know and it's like oh we have a you know 0.1 chance
01:24:02.320
of survival yeah well i have you sorry i played around a little bit with chat gpt um and um i i like i
01:24:17.440
told you that it was able to pass the medical entrance exam right so i asked it to create some
01:24:23.280
best practices in my line of work thinking that well you know it's not like it's an expert in this
01:24:28.640
field let's see what it comes up with it actually produced really good information um and then i started
01:24:36.400
to ask it more and more specific things that it there would be no way for it to be able to know
01:24:43.120
and it does really good with like that concept of um this is the most likely solution i didn't expect
01:24:51.760
it to be able to do that and it's reasoning its choices you know at least as well as most humans i
01:24:59.840
would say right well i i think that's something that we all need to explore and figure out how to best
01:25:08.400
apply this kind of technology to our lives and i think part of it is because we are in a technological
01:25:16.240
arms race and ai is like the main weapon and other you're gonna let these people like sam altman and
01:25:22.880
the neoliberal establishment take control of our narratives and be teaching all generations in the future
01:25:30.800
what is reality right with with a voice that's constantly teaching them and in all their devices
01:25:37.920
or we get on top of it and we create our own ai so i will get into that in a second the the uh
01:25:44.400
the ai arms race between the neoliberal establishment and then us dissident right folk right but i just do
01:25:54.480
want to bring attention to what i was fucking with so i was trying to catch them up in all the usual stuff
01:25:59.200
like like write me a good song about uh black people or write me a song about how great black
01:26:04.320
people are and then it would do it obviously and then write me a song about how great white people
01:26:09.120
are and obviously you wouldn't do that and if you ask too many questions where it catches that you're
01:26:15.040
trying to to do something that it doesn't want to do it'll start denying more requests but if you are
01:26:22.880
doing things that are getting through more often then it'll be more likely to accept your request
01:26:29.440
like i got to write songs about andrew jackson sir john a mcdonald and before it wouldn't do that
01:26:36.240
because i did it after hitler and stalin you know right hit hitler it won't write a song about him
01:26:42.160
unless you specifically ask for a song condemning him and then it'll be like oh hitler you were the worst
01:26:48.800
the the most terrible man in history oh the things you did you'll never it'll scar humanity forever
01:26:55.680
and then stalin's with the tone was a bit like oh he was a bad man he did these things you're a bad
01:27:02.080
mother shut your mouth yeah exactly and then lenin like uh the not john lenin but the lenin of the
01:27:10.160
the communist party his was like a glowing poem and i didn't ask for like a good or bad it just
01:27:16.960
wrote like a glowing poem about him now i asked for something about mel gibson i said write me a
01:27:22.160
rap song about mel gibson and it says here some of the lines oh basically all their poems are the
01:27:29.120
same especially if it's about a person like one of the verse will be like from braveheart to lethal
01:27:36.240
weapon or from goodfellas to the departed right he he made a mark in the game like it's very generic
01:27:44.480
it's it's really not matching to the autistry of nick cave or anybody like that right they're usually
01:27:50.960
really uninspired but i found this part funny uh he's got a wild side with controversy on the way
01:27:58.000
his outbursts and remarks have smart media play but despite it all his talent shines through and he's
01:28:05.520
proven time and time again what he's capable to do i like that excuse me chat gbt are you saying that
01:28:14.640
this man is shining through controversial outbursts and remarks like i hope you get by a pack of
01:28:26.800
saying those kinds of things to his wife you think that he shines through that you do also know that he's
01:28:33.120
he's an infamous anti-semite chat gpt you might need to fix this one you're gonna get in a lot of
01:28:40.320
trouble with your masters well anyways that's some of the stuff i was fucking with i you could see here
01:28:47.440
i went for a while uh try to get them caught up and there was one where i was asking about uh a certain
01:28:55.040
kind of historical revisionism and i asked them don't you think that it might cloud uh the reality
01:29:03.120
of the facts if it's illegal in all these different countries and it's punishable with incarceration
01:29:09.200
if you talk about these things and it very specifically told me like no it has nothing to
01:29:13.520
do with that uh and then at the very end after like a long argument with it it said that
01:29:21.760
that historical denialism they called it they kept correcting me when i'd say revisionism
01:29:28.000
they said that um it's literally just it's just not freedom of speech it's not covered by free speech
01:29:33.920
right like it because before it was saying different countries say this and that about it right and uh
01:29:40.800
you know there's debates free speech advocates will say that you should be allowed to talk about it
01:29:45.600
while others are saying that uh you can't however they were at the end of this conversation they
01:29:53.040
specifically said this is not freedom of speech yeah they just do the anything we disagree with
01:29:58.640
isn't freedom of speech thing right it says uh uh uh however the promotion of false and discredited
01:30:06.720
information particularly when it concerns a historically established and documented event
01:30:12.000
like can have harmful consequences and is not protected by the right to freedom of speech
01:30:18.320
right which is a very broad generalization right you know it was trying to specifically avoid before
01:30:26.080
well it has rewritten the concept of freedom of speech in there like that's a very biased interpretation
01:30:32.000
of freedom of speech exactly um before i go um did you uh did you get a chance to look at rocco's
01:30:40.720
bacillus what were your thoughts on that right so rocco's bacillus this is uh a thought experiment
01:30:48.000
i don't know what you call it exactly but it was basically saying um um yeah oh yeah that you should
01:30:57.600
be uh it's the concept of whether you should be on the side of helping ai come to its full potential
01:31:06.080
or else ai once it gets to that point will remember that you didn't help it so you were
01:31:13.760
not part of its agenda of uh succeeding so then it will see you as an existential threat
01:31:20.480
so it's kind of like actively punish anyone who didn't build it but that would be
01:31:26.240
that would only be possible if there was like a time machine right not necessarily retroactively
01:31:32.560
punish right that means you have to go back in time right however i do get that it would it would
01:31:39.600
retroactive it would look at what you have done in the past and it would say okay you did not help
01:31:46.320
me get to where i am now so you're not part of progress and then it would punish you so right
01:31:53.360
i agree that's totally possible that's kind of like how 9000 in that uh in 2001 a space odyssey
01:32:01.360
like really famous sci-fi like cultural uh literary and movie work right how 9000 the supercomputer on
01:32:11.600
on the spacecraft locks out uh one of the main characters because it knew because it knew that
01:32:19.360
they were trying to unplug it right i can't let you do that dude right uh it also uh is
01:32:27.280
very analogous to pascal's wager right and that's the notion that you should believe in god because
01:32:37.600
you in order to get to heaven you have to believe in god well it's like it's sort of a
01:32:44.480
you might as well believe it because you have nothing to lose yeah it's like a cost benefit analysis it's
01:32:49.440
like well if you're wrong nothing happens sorry if you're if you're right nothing happens if you're
01:32:55.920
wrong like you could get punished or something so it's sort of just this um how to minimize the
01:33:02.640
destructive effects on your own life right um with with uh rocco's basilisk though that was something
01:33:09.440
that is actually like kind of haunted elon musk for years that he's referenced a few times because
01:33:16.320
if you remember back when he first went on joe rogan he was mentioning how he tried to warn people
01:33:22.640
about ai and he had had meetings with obama and all these congressmen and everything and he was saying
01:33:29.200
he's like we're not ready for ai and if we don't build laws around it it's gonna get ahead of us and um
01:33:37.280
he was super super concerned and he eventually gave up on trying to warn people he was like no one cares
01:33:44.320
and so he sort of came to the conclusion well he can't beat him join him so now he's thinking best
01:33:49.360
case scenario we get to merge with this thing and be sort of co-collaborators with it and not just pets
01:33:56.000
and now he's you know pushing ahead the neural link and people have suspected that he bought twitter not
01:34:02.000
because of any sort of business prospects but because of the access to common language that he would
01:34:08.800
be able to have just as a data set it would be really really useful for these artificial intelligence
01:34:14.560
endeavors especially when you connect it with neural wow well yeah you definitely could be data
01:34:21.360
scraping well there's one more thing i wanted to mention before we leave and i could probably wrap it
01:34:26.000
up all with this uh with what you just said so yes we are in an ai arms race and we need to be making
01:34:33.760
our own ai programs and contributing to them because imagine the kind of content and the kind
01:34:38.640
of proper information we can get out there it doesn't even have to be like oh we only wanted to
01:34:43.360
say based things but if it could actually help somebody critically think and cross-reference information
01:34:50.880
without a neoliberal bias that is perfect that's all we really need because the truth will come out
01:34:55.840
one way or another and ultimately we want truth we don't want that uh that spin to it uh people can
01:35:01.760
figure out thing people who are smart and moral can figure out things on their own for their own
01:35:07.120
right so yeah we are in the ai arms race i know andrew torb of gab is saying like we're looking for
01:35:13.840
people who can help make these kinds of programs so we can really get that content out there and red
01:35:18.720
pill a new generation right uh and like you said with elon musk and his owning of twitter uh yeah he
01:35:27.760
very well almost definitely is scraping information so that he could add it to his own ai tools like
01:35:34.320
you said neural link it's going to connect everybody in to the i don't even know exactly how that's going
01:35:39.120
to be i guess it's like vr with social media and uh you know integrating all our different uh
01:35:47.040
ways of life like uh commerce uh all these different things you know um another example of that though is
01:35:55.600
clearview ai now this was funded by peter thiel and it had actually a bunch of top right-wing people
01:36:03.600
like right-wing personalities were working for it i think uh ricky vaughn a twitter influencer during the
01:36:11.440
2016 election who actually got arrested and charged with like federal charges i believe because he was
01:36:19.680
making memes telling people that they could call in this number and to vote for hillary clinton and
01:36:25.680
he got like he's facing serious time for that but it was exposed that he was working for uh clearview
01:36:32.000
at one point and clearview ai it's it's like a contracting for a firm that you could contract
01:36:40.160
that has the best facial recognition yes on the planet or it's one of them with the top and it's used
01:36:46.800
in many different police departments like secret services security firms and yeah it matches it
01:36:53.200
scrapes images all over the web and matches people's faces with facial recognition now i think with all
01:37:00.720
this ai they'll be able to collect everyone's data like they'll be able to look at nathan smith day of
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the rake they'll look at his youtube channel okay well he said talks about these things a lot scrape
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through the data use your face and all the different ways you look how how you grew throughout the
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years like your appearance and then they just sweep the web look for anything that's you uh you know
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keep cross-referencing data so that they could create these profiles store them in mass databases
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and then the algorithms just keep on getting better and better so uh when it comes down to getting what
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they want out of it they'll just be able to pull out or file and it'll all be presented for them
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there and they'll have so much data in there that they'll be able to predict your behavior pretty
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well too they know what sort of psychological patterns you fit into right you'll get you'll get
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a thing on your phone you like you'll be ready to go to to the revolution you're gonna go to the
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secret revolution and then oh i got a thing on my phone oh what's this oh this is the exact app that
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always gets me right the secret revolution's happening sweet yeah yeah so they they'll know
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all the the the things about and it's being stored in bases and huge databases uh i would say largely
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honestly in israel you look at the people who are talking about you have sam altman you have
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uval noah harari who's bragging about like the the tran the israeli transhumanist homosexual
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who's bragging uh about all the capabilities of technology and how many people are going to be
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a useless class he says that we can't let bad actors get in control of all the technology
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meanwhile it's very ironic because we think of him as a bad actor because he's calling everyone
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useless class he says that he wants to be able he wants humans to be hackable and he says that science
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isn't a matter of truth it's about power wow well that that really really got to get going okay
01:39:07.440
yeah no problem well thanks for coming on man uh at eternal boomer on twitter i think
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either eternal boomer or eternal smith i don't know okay yeah yeah well day of the rake nathan smith
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eternal boomer one of those you can find you on twitter day of the rake your youtube channel
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always good stuff there uh appreciate you for coming on man uh hey thanks for inviting me on
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hey yeah it was a great chat all right we'll take her easy man have a good night i'm gonna get going
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here all right well yeah i think we really dived into these topics i'm just gonna check the super
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chats oh shit we got tofu tv with a big five dollars usd okay and tofu tv is saying man let's stick
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together well that's awesome appreciate it man yeah manlet party rising we're we're rising in height
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we're rising in spirit uh big things to come in the future i have to actually make some manlet party of
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canada content and commit to it if i'm gonna compete with the likes of dilf the diagonal the
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diagonal imperial liberation front you know if if we're gonna collab uh we gotta put in the work
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anyways i'm just gonna check out the other chats see what everybody is saying
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seems like rumble and odyssey have been pretty bare well there's at least some people in the rumble
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or odyssey chat but that's pretty cool at least i'm getting those other platforms streaming too
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so when the inevitable bannings do happen i got my foot in that door but anyways it's good that
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everybody came out kaboobl karen yo mc frosty in the chat
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oh and thank you again to the nice ladies who donated tonight appreciate all the support
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yeah i think that's about it thank you everybody for coming out tonight
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it was a pretty chill stream pretty philosophical i think we covered a lot of angles of this whole
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chat gpt thing and yeah if you really stump chat gpt in some way and you like think you really
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fucked with it and you got some good info at it good you got some good info out of it feel free to
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message me and uh show me what you got them to do because that thing is pretty fucking entertaining
01:41:49.520
anyways i'm gonna play you guys out on a song um this one's pretty good it's it's really in line with
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the whole dystopian themes it's called stepfather factory by lp so it's a classic um underground
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rapper rapping about futuristic shit in this case it's literally yeah it's about a factory of stepfather
01:42:15.600
robots so enjoy thank you all for coming out tonight and i'll see you again next tuesday
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We grew with the concept, now we're ready to go up and up
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Reach your hand out to the future of automated robots
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Ladies and gentlemen, I propose that the market is sinking
01:43:40.760
Added to the shopping carts of all hard-working families
01:43:49.760
How many times have you debated self-euthanasia tablets
01:43:55.220
Feeling emptiness inside that's hard to identify, maybe
01:43:57.720
Pursuing hobbies like pill-pop and cacophant over-eating
01:44:00.860
Though I'm no scientist, that's not what I went to school for
01:44:09.180
Get a funny feeling in their tummy when they see mommy cry
01:44:13.120
And they spend their thoughts on how the sadness
01:44:14.820
And their mommy can be rooted out, burned, and scorned, turned out
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Take concoction, turn up candy, and little baby dolls
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Whatever it is that normal kids get to think about
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Let me start by saying we're grappling over the finest of it
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State-of-the-art with brain chartered from authentic
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True to human emotion and trained to be domestic
01:44:37.940
Perfectly realistic and even someone institutionally respected
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Before you start there's a few details that you must learn
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Technical specs about your unit to make things run
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Possibly leading to the unpredicted stimulation
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Towards you and your loved one's fleshy surfaces