On this week's episode of RWBY Live, the boys talk about Drew Pavlou's latest feud with Liquid Zeus, Rishi Sunak's lack of fluently speaking English, and the future of the world as we know it.
00:14:09.580But, like, there's a reason why they do – they'll simultaneously tell you that your identity doesn't exist, and then they'll claim it as their own.
00:14:16.140It's one of the most absurd forms of gaslighting and manipulation that, you know, I've ever come across.
00:14:29.980White Australia first says I'm more Nigerian than her.
00:14:37.640Yeah, that really – sorry, I didn't even get into – that really pissed off Drew when I was, like, I'm more Australian than you, despite never setting foot on that continent.
00:14:47.300Which, like, obviously – obviously, I'm not Australian, but it really bugged him, you could tell.
00:14:55.660If – like, if you held up my picture or, you know, if you showed me to someone and you showed Drew to someone and you were like, which one is Australian and which one is Turk?
00:15:13.920That's why it bugs him so much, because he knows that no matter what he says, no matter what he does, he will never be perceived as Australian.
00:15:23.940No matter how long he's there, no matter how long – like, it doesn't matter what he does.
00:15:28.260He will never be perceived as Australian.
00:16:14.440So, like, not to pick on Australians, but for whatever reasons, you guys seem to like your eccentric haircuts, your wild undercuts and your mullets and stuff like that.
00:16:26.140So, yeah, like, in that – like, it's particularly, like, I don't know, kind of stereotypically, you know, Aussie-looking.
00:16:32.740So, yeah, it was a weird photo for him to choose.
00:16:35.620But it's probably the first one that came up when he searched the ferryman's toll, because that was the photo they used for my first anti-hate hit piece, which – it still goes so hard.
00:16:48.420Well, the headline on that article was something like, Holocaust denier travels the country organizing far-right militia, which is fucking funny.
00:17:00.620Jane Doe Australia says, the mullet is gross.
00:17:14.540I wish I still had fucking proper hair and I could grow a dirty old mullet.
00:17:19.820But, honestly, with all the talk of Hulk Hogan, you know, being that he passed and, you know, Florida just is now going to have Hulk Hogan Day, I guess it's August 1st, I was like, should I grow a skullet?
00:17:40.280Like, should I just genuinely – should I grow a fucking skullet?
00:19:11.800Uh, Big J Michigan says, Drew is crashing out to get clicks and hopefully generate revenue before he has to serve his month in jail for insulting China.
00:19:35.660Yeah, I don't know that much about that.
00:54:13.500Um, a good example of that too, because I know you talked to him, um, a little while ago.
00:54:19.300And we talked to him pretty recently is Hermes.
00:54:21.660The thing that I found so interesting about Hermes is that he doesn't have any of the traditional lines to this, these kinds of politics that you would, you know, that most people, um, you know, 25 and over have.
00:54:35.060So when we were talking to him, I'm making references and he's like, I don't know who that is.
00:54:47.480He got here because of, um, uh, well instinct, but also just hyperborean edits and like random Instagram clips.
00:54:57.560So like, that's, that's, what's getting these people, it's not like the stuffy old, like, uh, you know, nerd intellectual, um, things it's, it's random edits on, uh, tick tock and Instagram that is now driving the next generation, which is very interesting to me.
00:55:12.760The fact that he like popped up and then basically immediately was like, I'm going to interview Tom Sewell and like me, basically, like it just shows that he immediately gravitated towards like NSN,
00:55:27.060like rule maxed, like, you know, street rally kind of content or something, because that actually is dynamic in this, in this new environment.
00:55:34.440Like if you're scrolling on Instagram and it's like Hitler's speech, um, some like, what have you ever seen this crazy, I mean, I don't have Instagram, but I've scrolled my friend's Instagrams just to see like what comes up.
00:55:47.480Like to have the quality of the brain right now, you'll have like some like psychedelic insanity and just like nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, just like the N word being spammed the whole video.
00:55:57.060And then you go to the next video and it's just like a montage of like Indians getting like hit by trains or something.
00:56:01.940And then you scroll again and it's just, you know, sun rad edits.
00:56:05.360Like that's literally what young normies are seeing now on TikTok and Instagram all the time.
00:56:10.360Like it's completely saturating and the views are insane.
00:56:16.040And it's all happened very, very quickly.
00:56:18.780And that might seem like trivial or superficial on one level.
00:56:22.420But on another level, what it is, is actually like a mass conditioning to receiving our worldview that hasn't actually happened until like now.
00:56:30.820Like it's like our ideas, our position is totally ascendant right now, culturally.
00:56:38.620Like everything is changing very, very quickly.
00:56:44.160And the new wave of people that are going to come through, these new young whites that are coming through, they're coming through because they are recognizing beauty, power, strength, vitality.
00:56:56.360They're not coming through because they're nerds who read a whole bunch of books and heard all these arguments about why ethno-nationalism is reasonable or something.
00:57:08.000They're drawn to basically a kind of message and a culture of empowerment and dynamism.
00:57:16.020You know, the right is sexy and cool now, or at least like the racist right.
00:57:20.540And they want to rebel against a system that if you're growing up today in like a Western city, I mean, you know, your school is full of non-whites.
00:57:32.700You're constantly being talked down to.
00:57:35.580Half the white kids are gay retards, right?
00:57:40.720Your job prospects, your career prospects, your life prospects are clearly much worse than what your parents faced when they were your age.
00:57:48.300Which, you know, how can you look at that and go, well, clearly everything that these faggots believe in is like false, like, you know, is bullshit.
00:58:00.940And so it does seem, it's a really beautiful thing, like I was saying.
00:58:06.560And yeah, the future of the movement is going to be, as I said, leaning into that, which is what I've been trying to do and what we've been trying to do for some time.
00:58:14.920It's not going to be, like, I just, you know, it's even like Nick Fuentes, right?
00:58:21.040Weren't the Groypers supposed to be like trad cath or Catholic, traditionalist, conservatives, you know?
00:58:31.620Like Kanye West, like the ultimate, like, guna, if there ever was one.
00:58:34.680And Andrew Tate, like the pickup artist pimp, you know, I saw some clip of Fuentes the other day where someone, some Catholic sent in something about how to find like a Catholic woman so you can wait until marriage with or something.
00:58:49.320And he was like, bro, it's 2025, like, fuck that.
00:58:52.560I want me a freak, like, this, like, trad bullshit isn't real.
00:58:56.500And I was like, it's interesting that even, like, you know, the Catholic conservative type faction is, like, just completely, like, horny now.
00:59:06.040Like, and, like, they don't, they just, like, rejected the whole puritanical insult thing at this point.
00:59:18.960The future is, as I said, like, particularly with, like, young people coming into the movement, the future is going to be a total upending.
00:59:29.060The future is going to be Nietzschean.
00:59:31.480It's not going to be, you know, a bunch of, like, gay nerds, like, reading, like, I don't know, McIntyre and, like, Roger Scruton or something.
01:00:04.680He does these, like, natty or not videos where he goes to people and he asks them if they're natural or not.
01:00:09.960Well, he went from that to going to them and asking them questions like, if you got kicked out of 109 gyms, is it the gym's fault or your fault?
01:00:17.840Like, that was the transition he made, making, like, Hitler videos and stuff like that.
01:00:22.320This is a guy with 500,000 followers who are not political at all.
01:00:26.300They're, they're following him because he talks about steroids and lifting weights.
01:00:31.460That's, that's what he's talking about now.
01:00:33.380Like, the shift is, and it's kind of, you know, back to what you were saying earlier, which is, you know, the looks maxing, fitness influencers, the, you know, the nutrition influencers.
01:00:46.480Like, these are all because, like, there's, like, you know, the term, like, crunchy fascists.
01:00:50.400Like, these people are everywhere now.
01:00:52.000These, these anti-seed oil, anti, like, even they're dabbling into it.
01:00:56.120Like, it's, it's full spectrum shift going on across these spaces.
01:01:02.840But I got a few more here that I'll just go through before we get too far away from it.
01:01:09.980Draftwark says, I'm a bloke, I'm an ocher, and I really love your knockers.
01:01:32.820Which, frankly, I've already seen it starting to happen.
01:01:36.980I think you talked about this a while back, which is the money will follow after you build a legitimate movement.
01:01:42.460And, but, like, a good example of that recently, and we were talking about him earlier, is some, like, I don't know what this guy's background is, but some guy dropped, like, $35,000 onto Return of the Lands Give, Send, Go.
01:01:54.120Like, that's the kind of, like, that's crazy money relative to what has been pushed into these kind of projects in the past.
01:02:01.560Like, people are willing to drop just $40,000 or whatever on a white-only community.
01:02:07.140Like, that's an interesting development.
01:02:09.400I haven't seen anything like that before, with a few exceptions.
01:02:17.200People dropped, like, a million dollars into Shiloh Hendrix because she said the N-word.
01:02:21.940Like, yeah, I mean, but I don't know if anybody donated, like, that amount of money as a single person, like, whatever it was, $35,000, $40,000.
01:02:31.420I know there was some big donations to Shiloh Hendrix, but I think that very soon there's going to be, and even, there's other examples, too.
01:02:41.460Like, guys are getting sponsorships now.
01:02:43.220And I know we talked with Hermes about this, but Hermes is sponsored by an online casino.
01:02:48.020Now, you can argue, like, I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing or not, but it is interesting that an online casino is willing to throw money at some 20-year-old who's going around asking racist questions on the street.
01:02:59.720Like, that's just, like, an interesting development.
01:03:02.140Also, Gypsy Crusader is sponsored by a different casino, I think.
01:03:06.780Like, and he had a post yesterday where he said he was using that money for somebody's legal fees and he intends to make a donation to return to the land.
01:03:16.720So, there's interesting developments on that front of where money is now flowing in in ways that it wasn't before.
01:03:25.640Yeah, I mean, that's kind of, I guess, relatively small-time shit, though, still.
01:03:29.760But, yeah, like, there's obviously, that's a reality now on, like, X, for example, is, like, racism has just, like, taken over the website.
01:03:44.520And a similar thing is happening on Instagram, even despite, like, the censorship that still exists on both of those platforms.
01:03:51.060It's just like this, it's an idea whose time has come.
01:03:56.420And, yeah, it's something which people should feel white-pilled about, and it should inspire people to get involved in concrete projects to translate that cultural energy into something, like, genuinely political.
01:04:13.760Because that's the hard part, you could say.
01:04:18.460That's what we were discussing before.
01:04:19.920I guess I kind of, like, segued away when your dog came in from talking about nationals.
01:04:25.300But, yeah, like I said, people can get vetted, and if they're in Australia and they want to come next weekend in Melbourne.
01:04:33.040And, yeah, and if the communists want to show up, like, bring it on, motherfuckers, because there's going to be a lot of us there.
01:04:41.080And it's going to be very bad for you, I think, if they try something.
01:07:21.880No one cared about their goofy activism.
01:07:24.160The only, ironically, too, like, the only nigger who showed up was the guy now, the individual now known as Cole Davis.
01:07:34.060And he was, like, walking around with his camera phone.
01:07:39.900Again, the first, I don't know this guy, but I saw this online.
01:07:44.400He was walking around with his camera phone, going up to these, like, Antifa trannies that were protesting against us and going,
01:07:51.340Oh, do you think niggers who commit crime should be deported?
01:07:55.000And then, like, you just, he's a six-foot-six negro, you know, with a Sonnenrad t-shirt or something in their face.
01:08:01.320So, you can just see, like, the fear in their eyes.
01:08:04.200And it's kind of ironic because they were supposedly there in defense of him.
01:08:09.480And, like, anyway, the event was a total farce.
01:08:14.720But, like, no one cared about their event.
01:08:18.220But then one of the boys did a Photoshop where they got their banner and they changed it from saying migrants are welcome, Nazis are not, to niggers are welcome, Nazis are not.
01:08:28.040And we posted that online and pretended like it was real.
01:08:31.800And their original post got, like, almost no views.
01:08:34.060And our post, like, went viral because everyone was like, what?
01:08:36.260Like, the communists in Australia are using the N-word?
01:08:40.300And, yeah, a lot of people believed that it was real somehow, like, which was hilarious.
01:08:45.340And, yeah, and then the police apparently told Cole Davis he had to leave.
01:08:52.180So, the only nigger that was there got banned from the shopping center, ironically.
01:08:57.400So, I mean, that's, like, the farce of the left these days.
01:09:02.060Like, they've become, like, this kind of silly joke and where they, if they show up anywhere, they just look and act in an incredibly retarded and ineffective way.
01:09:12.260Like, they have no political relevance beyond being kind of the laughingstock for us.
01:10:45.020Why are they allowing this to go ahead unimpeded?
01:10:49.700Well, what leftists did after Trump was elected the first time was they started banning not only nationalists but conservatives off YouTube.
01:10:59.280So the riot was forced to create an alternative streaming platform.
01:11:03.860Obviously, Twitch doesn't allow them on either or any of the other mainstream platforms.
01:11:07.500So the riot was forced to create its own one.
01:11:09.400And if Rumble was to go against the principles of free speech, it would lose its audience base.
01:11:18.480And it's the only way for the right to have an independent bit of infrastructure that is now really well established and, like, widely used to compete against the political enemy.
01:11:31.760So the American riot was forced, essentially, to create space for us to speak because the left overstepped the mark in, like, partisan structural battles between those two elements.
01:11:44.920And so that has played into our hands.
01:11:56.220So they do ban – they do ban people if they're too – like, obviously, that was because the Australian government asked for that to happen.
01:12:03.480But Elon Musk needs X because that's his key piece of political leverage.
01:12:09.120Elon Musk, every single aspect of his business empire other than X itself is dependent upon U.S. government contracts and subsidies.
01:12:19.900So he needs political power and influence in order to – basically, he's the richest man in the world, but he's dependent on the U.S. government and a relationship to the U.S. government.
01:12:51.700He's been – he's through Romans in public and, you know, has played – he's said things that are far more radical than anything that Trump has said, for example, on various subjects.
01:13:06.220So he can't go back to the left and kind of make up with them and the kind of – you know, he's kind of fallen out with Trump and that kind of – that MAGA call after, like, trying to buy his way in didn't work out.
01:13:22.480So now he's basically alienated from the two main political camps in the United States.
01:13:27.160He now has to help AstroTurf a third camp.
01:13:31.160He has to start competing for control of the Republican Party with MAGA in the coming years.
01:14:14.720But just thinking about it purely from a strategic and Machiavellian standpoint, in order for him to get personal leverage over American politics,
01:14:22.640kind of needs to give us some space to roam and to function collectively as a movement.
01:14:29.760And similarly, that's the case, I think you could say, with what Teal is doing with Rumble.
01:14:34.260Well, it's not just Teal that's involved with Rumble, but what Rumble is basically as well.
01:14:40.320So there's like this unique opportunity that has now arisen where because of political fighting within the United States, there's been basically an opening up of a degree of freedom of speech, I think you could say.
01:15:01.060Like people say, well, the Jews could just shut it down.
01:15:03.080It's like, okay, but no, they can't just shut it down because otherwise it wouldn't even exist in the first place because, you know, it's more complex than that.
01:15:09.960So I think at this, at this stage too, if, if there was no option of Rumble or Odyssey or somebody would just create a new one, like there's, there's enough demand for it now that somebody somewhere is like, whether it's entropy or going TV, like there's going to be somebody that offers some kind of platform that can be used.
01:15:30.900And the necessity of, of having that is going to facilitate the creation of more of these, uh, platforms.
01:15:40.200There's kick, there's like, there's a ton of them, um, that, that are now an option.
01:15:45.540So, yeah, I don't think, I think, I think there's an acceptance that like, they have to give us some space to operate in or somebody else is just going to give it to us anyways.
01:15:55.360You know, like the only reason you're on Rumble is because you can't be on YouTube.
01:16:01.220You can't be on, uh, Twitch or whatever.
01:16:05.000Not that anyone really uses Twitch at this point, but that's because that's the reason why Twitch, well, a lot of people use Twitch, but the reason why Twitch is left-discoded is because it's extremely highly moderated.
01:16:13.860It's like Reddit, like right-wingers don't use Reddit because the moderation is insane on there.
01:16:18.480So like the left do that to their own spaces and like curate their spaces in the, in such a way.
01:16:26.860Well, for the right, it's the opposite.
01:16:28.620Like if you don't have free speech, like right-wingers are going to go start looking for that free speech alternative.
01:16:42.740If you don't, if you, you're going to be politically correct to an extent, like just go on YouTube.
01:16:47.280This happened to, uh, to, to D live, like D live was one of those options that people fled to after the YouTube purges in, you know, 2018, 2019.
01:16:59.880And it worked for a little while, make, I don't know, maybe a year and a bit.
01:17:04.660And then they cracked down on everybody and they, they're, they completely destroyed their own platform by pushing all of these people who were bringing in revenue to it.
01:17:12.900They all just left and they went to, uh, Odyssey and Entropy and, and other options.
01:17:54.720But yeah, like that's, that's the thing as well.
01:17:56.740Like the Jews don't just have like, it's, you, you're kind of an idiot.
01:18:02.600If you kind of see the world in such a way where you think like the Jews are just like these puppet masters that just control everything and can do whatever they want.
01:18:11.620It's like Jews have a lot of power and influence over the direction of many elements of our society, obviously, but it's still within constraints of like market and political strategic realities.
01:18:25.760And as what we were just describing earlier, as racism and, uh, you know, everything else associated with our views continues to gain ascendancy.
01:18:36.260Obviously it gets to the point where you get a critical mass where it becomes too big to fail.
01:18:41.080Like someone is going to like the market opportunity is too tantalizing for it to be passed up upon and where it becomes so influential over the direction of online discourse that political concessions start needing to be made toward it.
01:18:56.860Like if, if the Trump campaign didn't play into it a little bit, um, during the last election cycle or in 2016 or whatever, he wouldn't have won those two elections.
01:19:07.640And that tendency is only going to continue where, you know, the right is going to be shaped by these ideas.
01:19:14.720Because if you, if you look at like conservative politics, like young people getting involved in conservative politics or right-wing politics at this point, there's two groups.
01:19:24.380One group is like crypto Nazis trying to like pretend that they're not what they really are so that they can get involved in these positions or it's like gays, um, Jews, non-whites, you know, mongrels and so on with, uh, it's, there's no like normal, healthy white, young white kid.
01:19:47.220Who just like believes in, we're a nation of values and, um, you know, liberal democracy and all this like neocon garbage who just like puts on the suit and is like really smart and intelligent and dynamic.
01:20:01.660And like ascends to like a position within like the youth wing of the concert, like that doesn't exist anymore.
01:20:06.820Like that happened in like the nineties, those people will simply no longer exist.
01:20:11.380Any like smart, dynamic, young white dude who gets involved in right-wing politics is on some level, our guy.
01:20:20.160And so how is the, how is basically therefore there's two options.
01:20:24.180One is you have no smart young dudes in the, in the right wing, which means they, all the smart young dudes go and create a nationalist movement outside of, outside of the mainstream right, which then eventually will become, which is kind of what's starting to happen, which will eventually overpower it and destroy it.
01:20:53.920Well, this is another thing too, that we've seen develop, you know, Charlie Kirk, Matt Walsh.
01:20:59.940There's a few examples in particular who have been doing the, they're slowly shifting more and more towards a nationalistic position and people bitch and they go, oh, this is just them trying to, you know, it's just the Jews trying to, you know, tell you what you want to hear.
01:21:20.200And like, I don't know, to an extent that's probably true, but like, don't you realize how that's a good thing for us?
01:21:25.320The fact that they, they understand that their major influencers have to start conceding to some of our positions in order to maintain relevancy.
01:21:32.020Like, don't, don't you realize that this is them basically losing slowly they're, they're losing their influence to us.
01:21:39.100Um, so like people, uh, like, I don't, if Charlie Kirk wants to go out there and say, it's not just the illegals that are the problem, it's third worlders.
01:21:48.080Like, why would I complain about that?
01:21:50.200It's a good thing that he's saying that.
01:21:51.800Um, so yeah, there's this, uh, some, it almost seems like some of our guys just want to keep losing.
01:21:58.540Like, they're just so comfortable with losing right now.
01:22:01.060The concept of winning is uncomfortable and foreign to them.
01:22:06.060And like, they don't want to actually win.
01:22:08.300They just want to be comfortable losing.
01:22:10.300So, um, grumpy Tom says, just wanted to give a shout out to Joel and the rest of the Aussies love the show, but I'm never up in time to watch cheers fellas.
01:22:22.980Sometimes I can listen to you guys at work because I work really early in the morning.
01:22:26.460So it's kind of nice, but yeah, uh, RSA Liberty says ferryman jump on a flight to Oz and come to nationals.
01:22:33.480I wish, um, I mean, that, that was brought up recently.
01:22:37.820I know hammer, um, was, I don't know how he, what, what, do you know what process he went through to like discover that they weren't going to let him in?
01:22:51.900Did, well, like, did he reach out to the, yeah, yeah.
01:22:54.540Well, like, yeah, he got like, uh, cause if you're an American, I presume similarly, if you're Canadian, you can get like a visa waiver if you're coming to visit.
01:23:14.560Maybe American feds flagged it to our, to our government or our government, um, was tipped off that, okay, we should scan for people coming to this event, whatever.
01:23:25.180But however, whatever the case may be, he was identified and then they just sent him an email saying like, nah, your visa has been revoked.
01:23:31.620But I guess it's better that something like that happened to him than like what happened to like, say Mark Collett where, uh, recently where he's like detained in the airport and like met fucked around and then deported where you go through all this bullshit.
01:23:49.020Um, so I guess that's, you could say that, but it was, it's shit, but obviously that in a way that's better, but this is perpetual problem with, um, I think it's getting a lot worse recently of, of nationalist dissidents getting like banned from international travel by other Western countries.
01:24:06.740So I don't know, I think a lot, it's been happening a lot with the Australian government where they're just really getting really ban happy on, uh, political dissidents coming into the country.
01:24:16.880So we, there is active court cases in Australia trying to contest this and so on.
01:24:21.200Would it be interesting to see if they have any success, but like more like a mainstream ones.
01:24:24.820Cause like Candace Owens got banned cause the Jews got upset.
01:24:33.300Um, because technically it should be unconstitutional.
01:24:36.340Like if an Australian political group, uh, invites a foreign guest to come and speak, um, it's, uh, basically a denial of our right to political communication, which is constitutionally enshrined in, in the notion of representative democracy in our constitution.
01:25:24.120Like stories like this have been happening a lot lately where everyone's getting like locked out of each other's countries.
01:25:30.280So it's really annoying, but, uh, I mean, frankly, even like for non-political reasons, it's annoying because I would like to be able to go to the States, like not even necessarily for a political purpose.
01:25:43.260Like just being able to go to the United States is a nice thing to be able to do.
01:25:47.240If you want to get out of Canadian winters for a week and go to Florida or whatever, it's nice.
01:25:52.920Um, I would like to be able to go back to the UK, um, you know, to Scotland.
01:25:58.640Um, but I don't know if I'll be able to do that.
01:26:01.260Uh, just because I liked, I like it there.
01:45:59.340Like, no one values his contributions.
01:46:01.620And then, basically, yeah, he was getting rinsed in the comments.
01:46:06.320He was trying to paint this as, like, I was somehow trying to come in and, like, subvert the event by sending a nigger in a Sonnenrad t-shirt to go talk to him.
01:46:16.080Like, how does that even make any sense?
01:46:18.060Like, what benefit would that accrue to me?
01:46:19.880But all he did was make himself look ridiculous by turning this whole thing into, like, a Nazi hunter event.
01:46:25.900And the whole event, like, Islam was now an afterthought.
01:46:28.920Nothing was done about the Islam problem.
01:46:31.400Now the problem is Zionists versus Nazis or something.
01:46:37.940And the Patriots online largely are siding with the Nazis against the Zionists, which is a beautiful thing.
01:46:43.880So Nazis, sorry, Avi has been copying incredible amounts of hate online.
01:46:47.420And then Cole Davis came out, like, a day after and alleged that Avi Umeni paid him to, or said he was going to pay him, but then didn't pay him to conduct this stunt.
01:47:01.800And there were text messages supplied from, like, some Zionist in, like, Britain that's connected to Avi Umeni in some way, putting him up to it.
01:47:13.660You know, I don't know if that's, like, I don't know if that's real.
01:47:17.120But regardless, Avi Umeni spent, like, three nights defending himself against these allegations and claiming he's a victim of anti-Semitism.
01:47:26.440And he's just getting rinsed in the comments.
01:47:28.120Nick Patterson had to, like, cancel the comments on his social media because he's just getting abused by everyone.
01:47:33.980And what it's showing is this, which is that if you want to build a movement that's going to get anywhere on the right wing in Australia,
01:47:40.720like, you know, outside of the mainstream, trying to be on the front foot on one of these patriotic issues,
01:47:47.100you're not going to get anywhere if you go against the nationalists.
03:07:53.820as it was in their geopolitical interest as like emerging superpowers to basically divide the world between themselves as like liberal democracies and communist states,
03:10:14.820theorists like Carl Schmidt realized that there's actually a fundamental contradiction between nationalism and liberalism in their essential meaning.
03:10:22.820Because liberalism is built around the principle of minority rights.
03:10:27.820The idea that like society is built on a contract between individuals.
03:10:30.820And even if you aren't a member of the majority,
03:10:33.820that you should still maintain certain like political,
03:12:09.820hostile relations with the British Empire and so on.
03:12:11.820And the decision to unify and create the German state and the German Empire was to resist these like liberal powers in the West and to assert an independent like German national existence.
03:17:16.820alliance of liberal liberalism and nationalism,
03:17:17.820which previously existed to fight the old aristocracies and the empires that they presided over various parts of Europe and around the world.
03:24:53.820And so basically what I just saw it as is like this kind of myopic view where Keith is looking to kind of get out of confronting these deeper questions.
03:25:00.820Cause he didn't engage with my essay philosophically.
03:25:02.820He just kind of like kept complaining about these more superficial issues because he doesn't want to come into confrontation with this reality, which is that you kind of have to take a side.
03:25:15.820And if you take the side of the Nazis, well, then you don't get to be invited to certain political events and go on certain podcasts and mix with certain people.
03:25:24.820You're not going to be able to hang out with Gregors Braun or however you say his name, the Polish politician, the fire extinguisher guy.
03:25:33.820And I care about, I believe in blood and honor, not changing my opinion to gain favor with this or that element.
03:25:45.820And I'm sure in his mind, he sincerely thinks he believes this stuff, but it's clearly, again, it's clearly motivated reasoning, I think, because people, this is what most of conservatism is, is motivated reasoning.
03:25:57.820Like people refusing to come to obvious conclusions and to see the big picture because of the implications of seeing the big picture.
03:26:04.820And so they've got this subconscious drive to agree with cucked positions that don't make sense.
03:26:11.820Because if you can believe in that, if that's the world that we live in, then that's a better world for me.
03:26:17.820That's a world that's easier to negotiate.
03:27:03.820Oh yeah, this, this isn't a, uh, I can put, as I watched this unfold, like I'm of the opinion that I agree with Keith to a certain extent that I don't think you need to embrace a national socialist optics or ideology necessarily to have a successful nationalist movement.
03:27:23.820I think there's a very good example of somebody who's already doing that is Thomas Russo and Patriot Front.
03:27:28.820Uh, obviously they're not national socialist.
03:27:45.820The argument of my essay was that the national socialism needs to be rehabilitated.
03:27:48.820That needs to be defended in public discourse by nationalists, even if you don't want to embrace the label.
03:27:54.820Which, which is the part that I agree with.
03:27:56.820And I think there's a very simple argument here as to why it's necessary, which is, let's just be honest.
03:28:01.820There's no, uh, you know, outcome that we could accept as, you know, uh, viable victory conditions, which would not allow for the open and honest discussion around that time period and national socialism as an ideology.
03:28:19.820An easier way of saying this is that if, if we were to win in any capacity, then it would be, it would be socially acceptable to espouse national socialist ideology and to adapt that, um, those optics and that, um, identity, um, within your, your nation.
03:28:36.820So it's kind of this weird thing, like, even if you don't want to adopt it, it's like, well, how are we going, how are we possibly going to win without it?
03:28:47.820And, and as you said, too, it's like, there's no way around this quote.
03:28:50.420I, I referred to it as the Hitler question, um, when it gets brought up, which is if you embrace any kind of legitimate national, um, you know, policy and worldview, um, what will inevitably happen is you will be accused of being a Nazi or, you know, doing what Hitler wanted or anything like that.
03:29:10.080In which case, like you can't deny it, like you, you already brought it up, you mentioned it, which is the left isn't making these accusations because they're baseless.
03:29:18.120Um, a lot of the times they're making a legitimate argument, which is that you're pursuing policies that, um, you know, national socialist Germany would have pursued.
03:30:21.480But what I'm saying is, is like, what exactly are the concrete policies?
03:30:25.040Like, we've got a nitpick over, like, a German-Slavic ethnic dispute.
03:30:29.480Like, that's really, that's not what's definitive of national socialism.
03:30:34.040National socialism isn't about the German-Slavic, you know, ethnic rivalry or Polish-German, like, you know, foreign policy or relations to one another in the 1930s.
03:30:45.480Like, those are just, like, particular situations, but the general principles, the reason why, the reason why it's controversial to be a Nazi or to defend the Nazis is not because of what they did to Poland.
03:30:56.080It's because of what they did, allegedly, to the Jews, right?
03:31:01.040Like, so why are we going on about, like, in Poland, maybe that's relevant, but in Australia or in America or something, no one's crying about the Polish.
03:31:47.380Not very well, so we shouldn't do that.
03:31:50.420You know, when you get Weimar conditions, you need Weimar solutions.
03:31:55.820Like, national socialism is the break glass option when liberalism creates a mess like this.
03:32:00.260And if you tried to create an ideology that could deal with these problems and you call it a different name, people are going to hold it up and analyze, like, national socialism and this other ideology or whatever, this other political program.
03:32:13.720They're going to be like, 90% of this shit is the same.
03:32:23.960The other thing I noticed with Keith as well, which I don't know if this is necessarily a contradiction or not, but I did find it interesting that Keith works as an Irish nationalist very well with British nationalists.
03:32:38.600Mark Collett, Steve Laws, Zoomer historian, like, there's all these figures.
03:32:42.520And it's like, all of these guys openly embrace a very chauvinistic British attitude.
03:32:54.160So, like, how do you then, if your issue with German chauvinism is that it was oppressive towards other groups, then how do you then justify working with these guys who also adopt an attitude which, I mean, your country was, you know, technically a colony of?
03:33:08.600Like, there's this weird kind of, it seems to me that Keith is not actually opposed to the chauvinism of, you know, certain groups of Europeans over others.
03:33:17.200It's that he's opposed to the optics of national socialism because it's radioactive.
03:34:12.940So, no, I don't have a problem with Slavs.
03:34:18.440I have expressed derision towards, like, Cypriots and Sicilians and some of these groups that, you know, that are very, like, blood poisoned.
03:34:26.920But, you know, that's Australian anti-WOG racism.
03:34:31.140But I don't, but I never expressed really negative views of Slavs at all, except maybe jokingly in, like, a group chat or something with banter.
03:34:38.700But, like, that's not the same thing, is it?
03:34:40.460So, I got no problem with Slavic peoples.
03:34:47.340I went and marched with Keith for Polish nationalism.
03:34:51.020But, like, my views on World War II remain the same.
03:34:54.500Like, and there was a lot of other people at that march who were also national socialists and national socialist sympathizers who still marched for Polish nationalism who came from across Europe to support that.
03:35:04.860Because we don't, being a national socialist doesn't mean that you hate Poland.
03:35:10.200But it does mean you hate Jews and Marxists and Masons and, you know, liberalism and all these things.
03:35:16.660And I think Keith hates all those people, too.
03:35:19.820So, it's, like, you know, it's a bit silly, you know.
03:35:21.740It's, I don't know, he's playing an optics game.
03:35:27.440I think deep down, I remember, you know, I remember Keith Woods, you know, posting, like, a picture of young Hitler and being, like, literally me.
03:35:35.700You know, like, he's kind of playing the game.
03:38:18.840We are proud Anglo-Saxons, you know, and so on.
03:38:23.620And, like, we defend National Socialist Germany historically as, like, the force in the modern world which most profoundly stood up for the values which our race needs.
03:38:37.940And that doesn't mean that we hate these people at all.
03:38:41.380So, it's like, there's not – there's often these kinds of – I'm not saying Keith did this.
03:38:45.420He was, like, more fair on this question.
03:38:47.500But a lot of other people in the space, they push that at us, like, in the scene.
03:38:53.680And it's like, you're not really sincerely trying to, like, hear the nuance of what I'm saying or try and understand my motivations.
03:39:01.480You're just trying to, like, score some kind of gotcha points because often they have anti-Anglo sentiments or whatever.
03:39:08.680And it's the same – it's kind of like the reverse.
03:39:13.360Like, you know, Polish people or Irish people can sometimes, when they talk about the British Empire or about the Germans, they can almost start sounding like leftists.
03:39:21.560There's, like, an inferiority complex from many, like, of these European ethnic groups or people of certain areas that kind of comes to the surface.
03:39:30.640And it's, like, when it's anti-Anglo or when it's anti-German kind of seething, that's worse, in my opinion, because it's, like, that's kind of, like – it's, like, mirroring leftism.
03:39:43.640It's kind of, like, the same way that non-whites or, like, Jews or whatever, like, feel towards us.
03:39:48.720It's that same fundamental temperament just, like, within the European race.
03:39:52.440That is always given a pass, and then if you punch back, then you're an anti-white piece of shit who's, like, you know, destroying the movement or something.
03:40:14.300Like, the Anglo-Saxon and the German accomplished more for the European race than the fucking Irishman or the Pole, right?
03:40:25.300So, like, know your fucking place to an extent.
03:40:27.440And that's not going to hit the Irish anti-Polish statement, but it's, like, you know, we're kind of, like, player one and player two, and you guys are, like, player 15 and player, like, 23, right?
03:40:39.500Like, you're not the main players, so it's, like, there's some seed from a lot of these elements that comes out, and, like, that never gets called out.
03:41:19.120I can look at ancient Greek civilization and go, wow, like, at its pinnacle, that was maybe, like, the best group of people ever, like, potentially.
03:43:22.020Like, if there's another European people that do something better than us, why can't you just, like, I'd rather take that in rather than have this kind of, like, mindless parochial.
03:43:33.820So, the same people who would tell you that you, like, you know, something along the lines of, like, why are you building your movement around a German philosophy from 100 years ago?
03:43:46.740Like, what does this have to do with Australia?
03:43:48.760Those same types of people would be the ones who are going make Australia great again.
03:45:08.320And so, when you go, okay, liberalism has fallen into a crisis.
03:45:12.480Like, the Germans are the kind of ground zero of, like, nationalism and liberalism, you know, divorcing each other and fighting each other and, like, the implications of that.
03:47:14.020What I was going to say, though, as well, though, is I think part of the objection to, you know, being associated with the ideology is that, obviously, for a long time, you know, for better or worse,
03:47:25.320the people who have embraced national socialism as an ideology are not great representatives of it in its true form.
03:47:33.060And they've, you know, they've used it as a kind of symbol of antisocial, you know, behavior.
03:47:38.800So, obviously, I'm referring to a certain extent to, like, you know, the typical Hollywood kind of representation of skinheads.
03:47:44.940And even this kind of attitude exists.
03:47:58.220But they aren't the greatest representation.
03:48:01.500There's a desire to not be associated with those kinds of, you know, personalities.
03:48:06.720So, you can understand why that is to a certain extent.
03:48:11.020And, frankly, a lot of these people don't actually embody that rhetoric.
03:48:17.780This is why I say, like, part of the reason why I don't take on that branding is because, frankly, I think a lot of people who claim to be national socialists have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.
03:48:27.560And if you start getting into it with them very briefly, you can tell that they've adopted...
03:48:32.240Yeah, they're probably racist and nationalistic in their thinking.
03:48:36.320And they embrace some of the, you know, worldview of national socialism.
03:48:42.440But their understanding of the ideology is very limited.
03:48:47.000And so, like, I don't want to be that person who's trying to represent an ideology that I don't fully understand.
03:48:51.320And I've gone through a period of trying to read a lot of the deeper philosophy that underpins national socialism over the last year.
03:49:00.720And whether it's, you know, a new nobility of blood and soil or the policy program or, you know, Richard Tater's Hitler's revolution, stuff like that, just to actually understand it.
03:49:10.080And you start realizing that the truly interesting part of national socialism is the rise and how they've created that movement.
03:49:17.800And, like, that is, as you said, inspiring and something that we can look to as guidance of, like, well, how did they actually build this nationalist movement?
03:49:25.360How did they reclaim that kind of folkish spirit?
03:49:56.340But, like, in terms of, like, not wanting to be associated with certain people, I don't want to be associated with conservative faggots.
03:50:01.340And that's what happens when you do this kind of anti-Nazi purge campaign on your own nationalist movement.
03:50:08.080You end up coxervative coding yourself.
03:50:14.820And this is played out many, many times over and over again.
03:50:17.700And then it attracts risk-averse, neurotic people that don't have a radical personality, that are non-creative, that then end up capitulating to the establishment to various degrees.
03:50:31.440And the beautiful thing about embracing national socialism is that you can – and the taboo-breaking way is you completely liberate yourself from being tone-policed by the, you know, leftist morality, the anti-Nazi kind of moral paradigm that we're living in still of 80 years later, which is what is necessary for whites to win.
03:50:57.340And, like, there has to be, like, there has to be a total breakdown.
03:51:00.880It won't just gradually, like, fade away.
03:51:03.500Like, it has to be confronted and actively destroyed through direct, intentional taboo-breaking.
03:51:10.340So I think the taboo-breaking itself has, like, inherent value.
03:51:13.540But then also you're correct, though, that people who don't educate themselves anywhere near enough on national socialism, even people who are sympathetic to it and embrace the label.
03:51:22.240And that's something that I'm working on, like, this – we're working on developing more sophisticated educational materials for – within the organization and for the future party.
03:51:34.160And we're going to then make those probably publicly available to at least a limited extent to help try and fix that problem.
03:51:41.860We need higher quality national socialist accessible intellectual education.
03:51:48.240Like, Marxists are very good at educating their activists and their people in their ideology.
03:51:55.220Like, when you go to university and you study, like, pretty much any politically relevant degree, you go and get a degree in liberalism or a degree in Marxism, basically.
03:52:03.400Like, we don't have that as national socialists.
03:52:06.260We have an unsophisticated political movement in many respects.
03:52:10.560As a result, we have a lot of really intelligent, bright, sensitive young men who, despite that, are just, you know, autodidacts or kind of, you know, exceptional individuals who still drive some of the most interesting, I think, intellectual discourse of any scene.
03:52:28.580But we don't do a very good job of translating that down to, like, the kind of, like, grug, kind of, like, mass audience or whatever for online racism.
03:52:39.460So we need to kind of improve in that respect.
03:55:06.900I think there's just a topic, too, that maybe we can't really get into right this second.
03:55:12.960But there is it's almost like there's a connection there that wasn't between Australia and Canada that should have been fostered that wasn't.
03:55:21.840There's like this this this duality between them, north, south and these similar kind of, you know, histories that in a in a different time period, if the empire had survived, those connections would have been fostered and facilitated and strengthened and whatnot.
03:55:38.800And you can kind of see that like there's from what I've seen, especially the interactions online between our guys and your guys.
03:55:44.960There's just just this natural kind of meshing that occurs where they kind of go on together.
03:55:50.820Well, so I don't know if you've noticed that as well, but I do find that interesting.
03:56:05.040And Canadian politics has a lot of very similar dynamics to Australian politics as well.
03:56:10.420So, yeah, I think we should pay attention to what's going on in each other's countries a lot, not just because of the sentimental or like basic reasons of affinity, but also because there's probably a lot to learn from, from watching each other.
03:56:28.120Same also watching what's going on in Britain.
03:56:30.280But I think Australia and Canada are like almost more similar to each other in some respects than either of us are to the British system.
03:56:35.620So, yeah, we should definitely study what's going on in each other's, particularly for nationalists, study what works, because what works here will probably have some bearing on what works there and vice versa and what doesn't.
03:56:51.500So, and obviously there's a lot we can do to help each other out.
03:56:54.340I mean, in the sense of, you know, whenever there's a issue in Canadian politics that white nationalists are raising, the, you know, the Anglosphere in general is like going to be very supportive of nationalists in Canada and that can help amplify certain messaging and the same for us.
03:57:10.580Like we're all banned from social media, but we have so many friends and supporters around the world that they often amplify things in Australian politics that we're trying to raise and that like mutual benefit of like the global pro-white movement, I think helps everyone, like helps the guys in Britain, helps people in America, et cetera.
03:57:32.780So, yeah, obviously it's, it's good to have like a kind of like global, like a white globalism, if you will.