The Ferryman's Toll

00:00:00.000 Break it down with a ton of lands, got a long man's come around

00:00:15.500 With a bombed out girl skyline southbound on the ground 0.80

00:00:19.640 Something here I don't get, something here I don't see 1.00

00:00:23.860 Gold boy is coming down and his arm to the fucking teeth 1.00

00:00:27.660 It's a long way to Neverland and I'm dying to shoot him down, keep him down for good 1.00

00:00:32.880 Yeah, I might have lived dual lives, here I am 20 years to the day like I knew I would

00:00:48.780 Get in stone on a hot sand, put in a car to car lane

00:00:51.880 Get a bottle to drop down all the images from the street

00:00:56.120 Do yourself a favor, let it smell fear when you run 1.00

00:01:00.100 Turn around and face it all, just beat him to the fucking punch 1.00

00:01:04.320 It's a long way to Neverland and I'm dying to shoot him down, keep him down for good 1.00

00:01:09.340 Yeah, we might have lived dual lives, here I am 20 years to the day like I thought I would 0.98

00:01:17.460 It's a long way to Neverland and I'm dying to shoot him down, keep him down for good 0.96

00:01:25.660 Yeah 0.89

00:01:29.640 Kneel down in the underground where the science fiction starts

00:01:44.720 Gonna have it all my way so we're both done playing parts

00:01:48.580 Got a soul and a strangled hole, poison teardrop in the sea 0.51

00:01:52.560 Greatest sand in an hourglass, came down to him and me 1.00

00:01:56.780 It's a long way to Neverland and I'm dying to shoot him down, keep him down for good 0.98

00:02:01.360 Yeah 0.97

00:02:05.560 Yeah, we might have lived dual lives, here I am 20 years to the day like I knew I would 0.98

00:02:09.300 It's a long way to Neverland and I'm dying to shoot him down, keep him down for good 0.98

00:02:17.340 Keep him down for good 0.99

00:02:19.320 Keep him down for good

00:02:21.280 Keep him down for good

00:02:45.280 We're down with the tunnel ends, got a long lens coming down

00:02:48.280 Got a bummed out girl scout lying southbound on the ground

00:02:52.280 Something here I don't get, something here I don't see

00:02:56.280 Nothing left to see here but the waves out on the beach 1.00

00:03:11.280 Fuck you all 1.00

00:03:14.280 We started the fire, you can tell them it was us 1.00

00:03:27.280 We destroyed your property, we're born to start a fuss

00:03:30.280 Trusting smart and fighting hard, unable to control

00:03:33.280 Laughing in your face, a place, getting a rock around

00:03:36.280 The rumours were true, now what you wanna do 1.00

00:03:39.280 We are a maker, who the fuck are you? 0.99

00:03:43.280 The rumours were true, now what you wanna do 1.00

00:03:45.280 We are a maker, who the fuck are you? 0.99

00:03:49.280 The rumours were true, now what you wanna do 1.00

00:03:59.280 We are a maker, who the fuck are you? 0.99

00:04:01.280 The rumours were true, now what you wanna do 1.00

00:04:03.280 We are a maker, who the fuck are you? 1.00

00:04:04.280 We are a maker, who the fuck are you? 1.00

00:04:05.280 The rumours were true, now what you wanna do 1.00

00:04:07.280 We are a maker, who the fuck are you? 0.99

00:04:08.280 The rumours were true, now what you wanna do 1.00

00:04:11.280 We are a maker, who the fuck are you? 0.99

00:04:13.280 The rumors were true 1.00

00:04:15.820 And what you wanna do

00:04:17.520 We are a maker 1.00

00:04:19.300 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

00:04:20.800 The rumors were true 1.00

00:04:22.240 And what you wanna do

00:04:23.860 We are a maker 1.00

00:04:25.760 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

00:04:43.280 Not for trendy assholes 1.00

00:04:53.180 We're talking lots of shit 1.00

00:04:54.480 Hope we'll see 1.00

00:04:55.420 So we'll take the risk

00:04:56.620 Of getting hit

00:04:57.460 We may not be pretty 0.93

00:04:59.040 And we know we'll go to hell 1.00

00:05:00.600 But you will die first 1.00

00:05:02.160 And we will lift the tower 0.98

00:05:03.760 The rumors were true 1.00

00:05:05.400 And what you wanna do

00:05:07.060 We are a maker 1.00

00:05:08.880 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

00:05:10.400 The rumors were true 1.00

00:05:11.880 And what you wanna do

00:05:13.620 We are a maker 1.00

00:05:15.500 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

00:05:16.960 We are a maker 1.00

00:05:18.680 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

00:05:20.520 We are a maker 1.00

00:05:21.980 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

00:05:23.680 We are a maker 1.00

00:05:25.220 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

00:05:26.880 We are a maker 1.00

00:05:28.600 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

00:05:41.880 I could have been a contender, but my head wasn't cold enough. 1.00

00:05:49.840 As a child, my wild eyes made up of what I was not.

00:05:56.200 Now the chains are rattle, and I don't even care.

00:06:13.160 I'm too young to be sure, and I'm far too old to be scared.

00:06:20.060 I could have been a contender, but my life's all my love, and I can squeeze in my pride.

00:06:34.880 I'm gonna be a contender.

00:06:38.560 I'm gonna be a contender.

00:06:41.140 I'm gonna be a contender.

00:07:11.140 I love the fire in my lungs.

00:07:16.460 By the gun, by the bullet, by the trigger, by the tide.

00:07:21.800 I could have been a contender.

00:07:24.560 By the last drop of love, and I can squeeze in my pride.

00:07:29.760 I'm gonna be a contender.

00:07:32.160 You were right too.

00:07:36.160 Be right about the things your woman ever taught you. 1.00

00:07:41.920 Cause I was there when the upper cut caught you.

00:07:45.740 I was there for the ten count.

00:07:48.580 To tell you the truth. 0.99

00:07:52.580 You're better off being naked with them. 0.99

00:07:57.160 You're better off naked with regret. 0.99

00:08:01.160 You're better off naked with your truth. 0.99

00:08:04.580 I still put my money on you. 0.98

00:08:08.580 I still put my money on you.

00:08:12.580 I still put my money on you.

00:08:17.160 Cause kid, you got hurt. 1.00

00:08:20.580 You're better off naked with your face. 1.00

00:08:22.580 I still put my money on you. 1.00

00:08:23.580 I still put my money on you.

00:08:24.580 I still put my money on you.

00:08:25.580 We'll be right back.

00:08:55.580 We'll be right back.

00:09:25.580 Stuff that I personally am into, so I'm going to enjoy this one.

00:09:29.860 But before we bring him up here, I'll just do some housekeeping.

00:09:34.080 Same format we usually do whenever we have guests on.

00:09:37.340 We're going to run as fluidly as we can with just letting the conversation flow for the first hour and a half or so.

00:09:46.340 We'll see how it goes.

00:09:48.360 And then after that, we'll take a quick break.

00:09:51.580 And then we'll come back and we'll do super chats and whatnot.

00:09:54.700 So either hold off on your super chats until the end or, you know, sit tight and be patient.

00:10:02.140 And I will get to them eventually.

00:10:04.280 We'll do this one right now just because it came in before.

00:10:07.060 Chicklet, gifted five subscriptions.

00:10:08.540 Thanks so much.

00:10:09.540 Really appreciate that, Chicklet.

00:10:11.220 And other than that, I don't think there's any housekeeping notes to do.

00:10:14.460 So without further ado, we'll bring on Norman P.F., a Patriot Front member and the co-founder of Patria Gloria and I believe active in Lone Star Active Club as well, which is another aspect of Patriot Front.

00:10:33.020 Let's bring him on.

00:10:33.600 Did I get that?

00:10:35.220 I got that right, right?

00:10:36.120 It's Lone Star, right?

00:10:37.500 Yeah, it's Lone Star is the active club that's in Network One, Central Texas region.

00:10:43.160 Although I'm not officially part of that club because I currently don't live there.

00:10:46.760 I've trained with all those guys and it's always a good time.

00:10:49.860 Yeah, it looked like when I see the stuff coming out of Texas with Patriot Front, it looks amazing.

00:10:54.180 And obviously, you know, you guys are setting a standard that, I mean, a lot of us are looking at, like, obviously, we watch what you guys have done very closely here.

00:11:02.120 And we try to learn from where you've had success and, you know, where you're making progress and then duplicate that.

00:11:09.760 Same as we do with the Aussies. 1.00

00:11:11.160 You know, there's some guys that are setting the standard and, you know, Patriot Front is certainly up there and setting the standard on how to organize nationalist groups in 2026.

00:11:21.560 So, yeah, like, obviously, anytime I get to talk to someone from Patriot Front, I enjoy it very much.

00:11:27.340 Obviously, I've had a few conversations with the big man, Mr. Russo, who's always a treat to have on.

00:11:36.220 But, you know, I think it's good that, you know, look, I don't even know that a lot of people would necessarily be familiar with you.

00:11:42.960 I'm sure that probably the majority of my audience is not.

00:11:46.480 And that's not, you know, a failure on your part or anything.

00:11:51.200 It's just, you know, we got to get you more exposure.

00:11:55.440 And, you know, it's one of those things, I think I've mentioned this to Thomas once before, is, you know, one of the things that the Aussies had great success with is putting, you know, really solid guys in public-facing positions.

00:12:06.840 And then letting them be themselves and bringing, you know, their own personality to the organization.

00:12:13.920 So, like, I mean, I listened to a bunch of your interview that you did with Tim Murdoch.

00:12:19.820 And I think that's great.

00:12:21.040 I think you guys need some more, like a cast, right?

00:12:23.420 You need a support.

00:12:24.260 You need supporting characters for the lead, right?

00:12:27.340 So, that's kind of what I see.

00:12:31.100 But, yeah, why don't you start with a little rundown of how you got into this stuff and what your role is in Patriot Front and Patriot Gloria?

00:12:41.420 Sure.

00:12:41.880 Sure.

00:12:42.160 Absolutely.

00:12:43.320 Well, it's definitely been a long, winding road for me to arrive fully in nationalism.

00:12:51.800 I've been active in the community for almost 10 years, but I've been a member of Patriot Front for right about five.

00:12:59.820 And that's where things became very professional, very long-lasting and serious with tangible results and a lot of work and stuff like that.

00:13:10.860 I grew up a lot like many white Americans.

00:13:14.440 You know, I had a middle-class family.

00:13:15.980 We ended up kind of falling into the lower class for the most part.

00:13:18.580 But middle-class, well, that was still financially a thing that was more common in America.

00:13:24.440 And parents voted Republican, you know, very loose, you know, that kind of thing.

00:13:30.200 And I, for different reasons, kind of rebelled and went a little crazy when I was an early teenager and experienced the other side of things.

00:13:39.480 I didn't know any better thought. 1.00

00:13:40.700 I knew better, but I was an idiot teenager. 0.99

00:13:42.400 And made a lot of bad decisions for a few years, ran with different crowds, got exposed to anarchy and a lot of other stuff that was just, it was wild. 0.99

00:13:52.260 And learned the hard way, too, growing through that, that there is no answer on the left side of anything that leads to anything we want.

00:14:04.120 And then I ended up in the military for four years.

00:14:08.120 And that was when, because I had known just a little bit about stuff that I knew was true.

00:14:14.160 And in the military is where I really saw a lot of it up close and personal.

00:14:19.640 And that's when I started to make the decision simultaneously to get serious about my faith, which is Odinism.

00:14:26.080 And that lines up with nationalism in many ways.

00:14:29.240 And it coalesced politically and with activism for me.

00:14:33.360 My martial arts were connected into this.

00:14:35.780 And it was, again, I'd say about five years ago, joining PF, that everything really became interwoven.

00:14:44.640 This is an interesting, I did not know that you had dabbled with anarchism.

00:14:52.200 Like this is in your late teens or early 20s, I'm guessing, or what did you say?

00:14:56.320 So I did, when I was about 15, I got very rowdy.

00:15:01.640 And there were different reasons for this, but most of it came down to angst and rebellion, which are common themes for people making mistakes.

00:15:08.800 But I got involved with everything from gangs, hard drugs for years, occultism and Satanism for years.

00:15:16.920 And there was anarchy, never actually like communism.

00:15:20.520 And there wasn't, there wasn't like a, there were anti-white vibes in some of these places, but they weren't that strong in the places I was at.

00:15:29.240 So it didn't initially trigger like survival warnings.

00:15:33.260 I was young and I was already pretty good at fighting.

00:15:36.620 It was popular parties and stuff like that.

00:15:39.020 So the threat didn't click.

00:15:41.340 And I think that happened for a lot of young white men who were probably, maybe they had skills or charisma or whatever it was.

00:15:48.820 And they were popular at parties.

00:15:50.700 They had fun.

00:15:51.800 They didn't feel a lot of threat.

00:15:53.220 They thought, oh, this is rebellious and edgy and I'll do this.

00:15:55.860 You know, and it's, it's, you know, there's girls here and there's drugs. 1.00

00:15:58.700 I'm having fun.

00:15:59.360 Right.

00:16:00.040 But they don't understand what's actually happening.

00:16:02.700 I mean, you're disfiguring your own soul when you do that.

00:16:05.100 But if you don't know that, if you don't have good leadership or guidance, or if you're just too rebellious to listen, it leads down that spiral.

00:16:11.900 And I did that into my early twenties because I joined the military when I was 19 and in the military was the switch where there was a lot more like, okay, well, I don't want to go back to run of the mill.

00:16:27.400 For me, I didn't want to return to something like Protestant faith that wasn't for me. 0.99

00:16:30.780 I didn't want to return to just voting Republican because I'm looking at them lie to us, you know.

00:16:35.100 And I already knew, well, the left is wrong.

00:16:36.960 I was over there briefly and it's absolutely, it's a dead end.

00:16:40.140 You know, it doesn't go anywhere.

00:16:41.380 It doesn't lead to anything for me or my people.

00:16:44.500 And I learned more about heritage through some interactions I had in some really interesting places in the military.

00:16:52.240 We may get into that later where I really started learning about some of this stuff.

00:16:55.480 And it continued to progress.

00:16:57.620 When I got out of the military, I spent a little bit of time in Northern Mexico, which has its own brand of nationalism.

00:17:06.100 It's some people who live in the South are kind of familiar with how South Americans operate with.

00:17:10.540 They have their own racisms and stuff like that.

00:17:12.760 But I became more educated on it there.

00:17:16.700 And I said, okay, well, you know what?

00:17:18.600 I think I need to go home.

00:17:20.020 I need to go back to Appalachia.

00:17:21.260 I need to go back to where my family has been for hundreds of years.

00:17:24.520 And let's, you know, let's go that route.

00:17:26.540 And I came back.

00:17:27.740 And through that, I learned more about Operation Werewolf.

00:17:31.180 That was one of the first ones.

00:17:33.040 And I got more educated on paganism.

00:17:35.240 And it began to line more and more up with, like, focus, for me, nationalism.

00:17:39.060 I had to be active.

00:17:40.040 You had to do something.

00:17:41.500 And I was actually recruited out of – there's a chat.

00:17:45.760 There's a fitness chat that's kind of Operation Werewolf-related called Human Pitbull Protocol.

00:17:50.220 It's a phenomenal chat.

00:17:51.840 Really great for lifting, fitness, lifestyle.

00:17:54.480 It's great.

00:17:55.280 And one of the guys in that chat, Samuel Virginia, messaged me and said, hey, would you like to do something very cool?

00:18:01.720 And I was like, well, yeah, why not?

00:18:03.560 And it was to sit down and meet with some PF guys that were – it was the beginnings of Network 6, which is in the southern regions of the states.

00:18:11.180 And from there, and that's about five years ago, from there, I was – I assimilated into American nationalist culture.

00:18:17.700 And I found life and health and beauty and purpose.

00:18:20.980 And it's been – no matter how many difficulties there's been, it has been a upwards movement.

00:18:26.900 Right.

00:18:27.000 Yeah, so, like, the – I find it very interesting because, like, I have – maybe not to the same extent, but a similar path in that, you know, when I began – like, you know, I was raised Catholic.

00:18:40.060 I began questioning this stuff.

00:18:41.300 I began questioning the existing political system.

00:18:43.540 I ended up going to university for politics and history.

00:18:47.200 And so, I'm learning about different ideologies.

00:18:49.260 I'm realizing that I don't really like any of these ideologies.

00:18:52.740 And I start being drawn towards anarchist philosophy.

00:18:57.060 Not – again, like, kind of like for you, it wasn't, like, communist anarchism.

00:19:01.980 It was, like, actual – like, Kropotkin, Bakunin, like, the actual roots of anarchism and the philosophy of it.

00:19:08.480 And so, you know, this is the stuff that I was drawn to.

00:19:12.220 And it was only whenever I started meeting with these people that I realized I was nothing like them.

00:19:16.760 Like, when I actually got in a circle of other anarchists, I was like, you guys don't actually believe in this at all.

00:19:21.180 Like, you're just a bunch of communists that pretend you're anarchists.

00:19:24.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:25.300 Like, you wear the patch and you, you know, pretend like you don't believe in the state, but you advocate for the state every chance you get.

00:19:32.200 Like, I realized that very early on.

00:19:34.400 And that was whenever I, you know, like, was pushed towards more ANCAP or libertarian thinking.

00:19:40.180 And that, you know, suited me very well for a time.

00:19:42.680 And I think a lot of people can relate to that.

00:19:44.660 There's obviously a huge libertarian to nationalist pipeline. 1.00

00:19:50.280 I have a – one of my more shared quotes that goes around is that you – a libertarian either lives long enough to become a nationalist or they die a faggot. 1.00

00:20:02.200 I was one too, you know. 0.99

00:20:06.400 I sprayed away the gay of libertarianism. 1.00

00:20:11.080 So, you know, a lot of guys go through that path.

00:20:13.880 But it doesn't surprise me because this is very common, actually.

00:20:18.820 And even Joel Davis could attest to this.

00:20:22.700 Like, if you talk to guys and, like, it's – during, I think, the stream I did with Rundo and maybe also with Sewell recently,

00:20:28.660 this subject came up, which is that, you know, if you were to divide the guys who are drawn towards nationalist organizations like Patriot Front or the NSN or Second Sons and stuff like that,

00:20:41.340 I've noticed that they can be broadly lumped into two categories.

00:20:44.440 And one is guys who have been raised in a completely traditional, you know, home.

00:20:52.740 They basically are entirely well-adjusted.

00:20:57.840 They live good, normal lives.

00:20:59.920 You know, they were, you know, kept sheltered from a lot of the more, you know, disgusting elements of society.

00:21:05.200 And because of that, they're able to see these horrible elements of that society.

00:21:10.300 And, like, it's very jarring for them.

00:21:13.400 The other guys, the other category is the ones who, you know, whether by poor choices of their own or, you know,

00:21:20.800 a poor environment that led them to those circumstances, they end up going through some sort of experience where they see the dark underbelly of what this society is.

00:21:31.520 And through that experience, they understand, you know, how terrible it actually can be and why it needs to be fixed.

00:21:38.000 And so you get these two types and they're both, obviously you need both.

00:21:42.720 You need those guys.

00:21:43.920 But I've actually found that it's the second type, the ones that are roughnecks, outlaws, ex-cons, like reformed guys that are actually the most passionate, the most active, the most dedicated.

00:21:56.320 Like, they're the ones who really, you know, because they've seen what it's like.

00:22:00.200 And so they, from my experience, are the ones fighting the hardest against it.

00:22:03.940 It comes with some, you know, characteristics that aren't necessarily always the best, but, you know, they are solid guys.

00:22:13.080 I will be right, my dog has decided he's going to be super annoying right at this moment, so I will be right back.

00:22:18.620 I'm just going to.

00:22:22.200 Love dogs, love dogs.

00:22:24.300 Got a big old German Shepherd myself.

00:22:27.200 The best breed of dog.

00:22:28.200 Or maybe Belgian Malinois.

00:22:32.660 I don't know.

00:22:34.240 One of those two.

00:22:38.560 Yeah, apologies for that.

00:22:39.900 He's a Belgian Malinois Dutch Shepherd mix.

00:22:42.180 And usually he, usually it takes like two and a half or three hours before he gets to that point.

00:22:46.840 And tonight he's decided that he's not interested in.

00:22:50.900 Beautiful breed.

00:22:51.960 Love that whole subspecies of dogs, the shepherds and the Belgian Malinois.

00:22:56.380 Love them.

00:22:57.120 Love them.

00:22:58.200 Well, yeah, they, obviously they're great.

00:23:01.000 Like I love just the, I guess you'd call them the Germanic Shepherds in general.

00:23:05.940 The Dutch Shepherd, Belgian Shepherd, German Shepherd, you know, the Czech working lines. 0.99

00:23:11.060 Yeah, they're great.

00:23:12.900 Like I would, one day when we win, I would love to not do any of this anymore.

00:23:20.240 Huck my phone in a lake and then just go breed German Shepherds and Belgian Shepherds.

00:23:25.720 Yeah.

00:23:27.780 Make some, you know, crazy eugenic version.

00:23:33.260 I love, love some good breeding, some eugenics. 1.00

00:23:36.100 Oh my gosh.

00:23:38.600 But friendly fast says he likes your guests is what it is referring to my dog.

00:23:43.960 Well, if he did that, if he liked, I don't know, I'm sure he would.

00:23:47.440 But if you liked him, he would be up here looking at the screen.

00:23:51.420 Oh, and a huge thank you to friendly fast for kind of recommending that I do this.

00:23:56.720 He's been a really cool guy to have ongoing conversations with now for.

00:24:00.280 Well, actually, maybe, maybe even a year, but I'll be telegram, but just some really cool

00:24:06.360 conversations back and forth with him.

00:24:08.660 Yeah.

00:24:08.900 So friendly fast is obviously one of our public facing guys with the second sons.

00:24:13.040 And, you know, it was, you know, is, you know, active club front neck is still exists kind

00:24:18.760 of, uh, at least, uh, to an extent.

00:24:22.080 And so, yeah, he, uh, obviously was the leader of that before joining up with us.

00:24:27.020 Right.

00:24:27.540 And, um, he's been amazing to have, uh, an absolute asset and a weapon to have on our,

00:24:33.960 our team.

00:24:34.740 And funny enough, I mentioned this briefly.

00:24:38.160 Uh, he's, uh, just this evening had a wonderful hit piece about him and, uh, active club front

00:24:45.460 neck and second sons dropped.

00:24:47.360 Um, so, uh, we're going through that, but, uh, what did in 2018, uh, when he was first doxed

00:24:56.060 by vice news, uh, I think they asked him how he felt about having his identity revealed

00:25:01.740 and you know what, what did you say, Sean, you there, it'd be better if you, cause it's

00:25:06.620 written in French and vice news and I'll butcher it.

00:25:08.920 What did you say to them?

00:25:12.580 He told me this earlier or showed me this earlier and it was great.

00:25:16.960 I'm sure he'll say it there.

00:25:18.760 I was so stoked.

00:25:19.540 I think vice went under, didn't they?

00:25:22.060 Oh yeah.

00:25:22.520 I can't imagine why.

00:25:26.060 But it's like, it's, it's obvious to, so right, like in Canada, the outlet that writes

00:25:32.440 the most about us is basically a version of the SPLC and, um, like they, they only exist

00:25:38.340 because they're funded by the government, right?

00:25:40.220 They are literally funded by the state and that's the only reason why they exist.

00:25:44.000 Oh yeah.

00:25:44.260 He said, uh, when responding to vice's, uh, doxing, he said, uh, keep calm and fash on

00:25:49.880 pretty good response to, uh, the media.

00:25:54.060 So, you know, anyways, uh, to get back on track there.

00:25:58.640 Yeah.

00:25:58.760 There's a lot of guys that, uh, go through a very weird path to, um, you know, nationalism

00:26:05.920 and sometimes they get pushed back, uh, for it, but, um, I don't know, in my experience,

00:26:11.360 they're the most creative and resourceful and, uh, passionate guys that you're going to have 0.89

00:26:18.860 around you, um, so I, I, I almost think that kind of element of going through the, the shit 0.96

00:26:25.680 is what really makes you a dedicated nationalist. 0.96

00:26:29.280 I think that probably is, uh, something that we could observe, uh, historically as well.

00:26:36.220 But on another note, um, you know, as we were just talking about, uh, the aspect of physical,

00:26:44.020 well, the gyms and that's what that whole doxing thing that, uh, we're referring to Sean is about.

00:26:48.900 Um, how do you like, how do you see the merger of physical fitness and nationalism, combat sports?

00:26:58.820 Like you said that these kinds of things all coalesced.

00:27:01.280 Yeah, how would you, how would you explain that to someone and like, what is the relationship

00:27:06.680 between those?

00:27:07.320 Cause it's always an interesting thing.

00:27:08.540 Like I have ways that I explain this to people, you know, and I think that's, um, I have a good

00:27:13.460 way of summarizing it, but how, how would you explain those connections and why there's that

00:27:19.440 symbiotic relationship between those different concepts that you kind of mentioned all synthesizing

00:27:23.840 into one?

00:27:25.160 Yeah.

00:27:25.360 I mean, there's, there's, I think there's a few different ways to word it, but I'm, well,

00:27:30.140 I am a very spiritual person.

00:27:31.800 I think that spiritual and physical is, is again, interwoven.

00:27:34.540 They, they can be separated and sometimes they are, but a lot of the times they're interwoven.

00:27:39.480 So fitness on a surface level is just, you know, it's health, maybe it's appearance and

00:27:43.980 things like this, but at an intrinsic level, it's, you are taking full residency of your own

00:27:49.900 body and ultimately spirit.

00:27:51.800 You are pursuing the respect and stewardship of your genetics, of your bloodline.

00:27:56.780 And this is not just individual.

00:27:59.520 When you are making yourself an asset physically, mentally, spiritually, when you are occupying,

00:28:05.220 um, the full self, which includes fitness, you are contributing to community.

00:28:10.200 You're a more valuable piece of, of the machine that is our people, right?

00:28:14.580 So this is, it's, it's a very basic level of, uh, men need to have an understanding and performance

00:28:21.540 of fitness and courtesy.

00:28:22.920 I think these are two very core level steps that lead to a lot of other things like success

00:28:27.800 in business, raising a family, having a strong, uh, religious or spiritual standing point,

00:28:33.100 being part of a very strong society with standing in that society, having dreams and goals that

00:28:38.060 are attainable.

00:28:38.780 It all moves upwards.

00:28:41.200 And in many cases, outwards, like a growing tree, right?

00:28:44.080 So fitness is a, is it's, it's, it's, it's one of the very first steps for anything ever.

00:28:48.420 Um, fitness is also, you're creating beauty when you sculpt something for higher performance

00:28:56.520 to be more presentable.

00:28:57.780 That is in line with so many of the beliefs that nationalism has that activism pursues.

00:29:04.680 I mean, this is natural order.

00:29:06.800 There are so many themes and, and statements and phrases that have been used by our race

00:29:14.120 through many countries in time periods, since just about as far back as we've ever recorded

00:29:18.920 history.

00:29:20.040 And that's a very grand scale way of putting it.

00:29:22.980 But I do think it connects to you're hoisting a dumbbell.

00:29:27.240 Like you are moving in a direction, right?

00:29:29.960 And I think that that all connects in, in terms of purpose.

00:29:32.860 So there are people out there that are very fit, that may not be anything like us, but

00:29:37.100 there are a lot of people who are very fit, who are a lot like us.

00:29:41.680 Yeah.

00:29:42.120 There's a, what I like to say that, uh, you know, combat sports are kind of inherently

00:29:46.960 fashion coded, right?

00:29:49.000 Sports in general, honestly, like any, like even, like even the most sports ball of commercialized

00:29:54.880 sports ball still has this element of, uh, tribalistic, nationalistic, you know, fascistic

00:30:01.400 coding, you know, woven into it.

00:30:04.020 So, um, it is inherent.

00:30:06.260 Uh, yeah.

00:30:06.920 Like you, you touched on basically all of the things because like, I'm a very, like, I try

00:30:13.780 to like itemize stuff.

00:30:15.140 And especially if I get asked the same things over and over, I ended up just like having

00:30:18.640 a, a copy pasta response to these things.

00:30:21.500 And you just touched on almost all of them, but you know, and I, when people ask me this,

00:30:26.860 like, why do you guys focus on the physical fitness stuff, you know, in your politics?

00:30:30.860 And the first answer is because it's an excellent filter.

00:30:33.840 That's number one, you filter out so many of the maladjusted antisocial types just by

00:30:38.740 saying, go do pushups, go box, you know, go for a run, go lift weights, uh, antisocial

00:30:44.700 types don't want to do that. 0.76

00:30:45.860 They just want somebody to listen to them, talk about their ideas.

00:30:48.800 So the moment you tell them they're not going to be able to just spurg out, they don't want

00:30:53.240 anything to do with you.

00:30:54.440 So that's the first one.

00:30:55.660 The second one is you're a nationalist.

00:30:58.220 You are the nation.

00:30:59.460 If your whole ideology revolves around the health of the nation, but it doesn't include

00:31:03.260 the health of yourself.

00:31:04.020 It's kind of paradoxical, isn't it?

00:31:06.360 Um, the third is that, uh, and like, this is the, the one that I really enjoy because

00:31:13.440 I don't know if you've ever gotten this or you've ever heard similar things.

00:31:16.860 Uh, it's pretty common that I'll be asked, like, what is the point in emphasizing, you

00:31:21.860 know, combat sports and physical fitness?

00:31:23.700 Like what, like organizing around that?

00:31:25.880 Like, how does this advance the politics?

00:31:28.420 And I just respond with what's a better way to organize guys, you know, towards politics?

00:31:33.940 Like, what should we do?

00:31:35.180 Like, if we're not going to do the fitness stuff, then what should we do?

00:31:38.040 And I haven't gotten an answer yet.

00:31:40.200 Nobody's been able to, like, they don't have an alternative.

00:31:42.980 They just don't want to do the physical fitness stuff.

00:31:45.120 And if they, the only suggestion I've ever gotten is, uh, well, you should do like meetings

00:31:50.640 and speeches and lectures and talks and like round tables.

00:31:55.120 And it's like, we do that.

00:31:56.680 We're doing it.

00:31:57.500 We are doing it right now.

00:31:59.100 We are having a conversation and downloading information to way more people, you know, to

00:32:04.280 hundreds of people and, um, you know, thousands of people after the fact.

00:32:08.040 You watch the replay.

00:32:09.540 Yeah.

00:32:10.160 Um, and I couldn't do that by organizing a town hall or something.

00:32:14.140 I would get 30 people.

00:32:15.460 Like, what is the point in doing it that way?

00:32:17.700 And then the last reason, and you touched on this as well, is, you know, the only optic

00:32:21.960 ultimately that really matters is strength or beauty or attractiveness or any of those

00:32:26.600 things.

00:32:26.860 And so there's, there's a lot of good reasons, but that's how I like to break down.

00:32:30.420 I'm always curious what other guys will say whenever they're, uh, you know, posed with

00:32:34.640 that question, but there's a, there is a deeper philosophical component to it as well, especially

00:32:40.020 when it comes to the combat sports stuff.

00:32:42.180 And this is something I didn't learn.

00:32:44.020 I only started martial arts in my mid twenties and I never really understood until I did that.

00:32:50.340 It's not like other sports.

00:32:51.900 Yeah.

00:32:52.300 Well, I'm sure you grew up playing other sports, but you started martial arts training, combat

00:32:56.900 sports when you were pretty young, right?

00:32:58.540 Yeah, I was, I don't even think I was five, you know, I mean, it was early and I did have

00:33:04.180 other sports, you know, there was some soccer, which was pretty cool.

00:33:07.460 I think I briefly tried tennis when I was very young, did not like it, but I'm pro sport.

00:33:13.340 You know, if it's, if we're moving the body and there's attainable goals and there's benefits

00:33:18.620 to this, I love all that.

00:33:19.620 I don't like commercialized industry, you know, of, of the circus, but it, there is

00:33:26.600 a, there is a, a place to glorify and celebrate and even, you know, financialize, um, fitness

00:33:34.040 and things like that.

00:33:34.620 We can look at Rome, whether, you know, there was some back and forth moving pieces throughout

00:33:38.580 their history, but, um, swimming was actually swimming was probably the first sport that I

00:33:44.940 did that really pushed me in terms of physical fitness.

00:33:48.960 And then after that, I transitioned to jujitsu, which became my passion.

00:33:54.360 But I would say it was, it was oddly enough.

00:33:56.240 It was swimming when I was a young teenager that probably anchored fitness, uh, in me.

00:34:01.840 Uh, so another one too, I, I can relate.

00:34:05.780 I used to do, it wasn't until I was in my twenties after I had finished playing football

00:34:10.080 that I couldn't play.

00:34:12.000 I had to take a break from contact sports and I got into swimming and I did long distance

00:34:16.420 swimming.

00:34:16.700 There's a, there's a difference to that.

00:34:18.480 The 3k, 4k, 5k swims in open water is grueling.

00:34:22.880 Um, and it's just, you just got to keep going.

00:34:26.500 There's an element, it's like mental more than anything, right?

00:34:28.660 Like you just, if you don't quit, you keep treading, you keep moving, um, you know, you'll,

00:34:32.940 you'll finish, it'll suck, but you know, that element of it.

00:34:37.280 So yeah, like I, yeah, I've always, uh, enjoyed, uh, like there, there's an element to you,

00:34:43.440 obviously to like, you listed a lot of, aside from soccer, you listed a lot of like individual

00:34:47.440 sports, which is interesting, um, tennis, swimming, um, there was there, was there another

00:34:54.260 one you said?

00:34:55.300 Uh, so I've done, uh, let's see, soccer, tennis, swimming.

00:34:59.360 I actually never played football and a lot of family friends that did.

00:35:02.180 My dad did rugby.

00:35:03.620 I always wanted to do rugby, but by the time I got invited to do it, I was in my twenties.

00:35:07.320 It was military and jujitsu.

00:35:09.500 Um, I had, uh, we've been a chess club.

00:35:12.420 Yeah, that's pretty hardcore.

00:35:13.600 Uh, we did, uh, which chess is cool too, but.

00:35:16.240 Hey, I'm, we have.

00:35:17.440 We're developing a chess club within the organization.

00:35:20.440 So.

00:35:20.620 Okay, good, good, good.

00:35:21.700 We had at one of the post op kind of social gatherings that we had, somebody brought a

00:35:26.200 chess board and I couldn't believe it.

00:35:27.580 Like I sat down to play a game and I think like 10 or 12 of us played a game at some point.

00:35:32.360 So I was kind of surprised that that many of the guys were in the chess.

00:35:35.880 So that's a great, it's a great game.

00:35:38.020 It's the, the like best game, honestly.

00:35:42.200 It's extremely European. 0.82

00:35:43.600 It's extremely European. 0.82

00:35:44.880 That's, that's one of the, I mean, there's a lot of stuff like that.

00:35:47.180 Kind of a separate side subject, but I mean, there are the history of our ancestors had

00:35:51.400 a lot of, um, variety in, in physical, mental and spiritual.

00:35:55.900 And, you know, this was all kind of connected sometimes, but it's so, yeah, even though

00:35:59.160 I laughingly listed chess as a sport, it's still like, yeah.

00:36:04.080 Have you ever seen chess boxing?

00:36:08.020 Yeah.

00:36:09.420 Like I love that call.

00:36:11.220 It's only, I think in Russia that they do this and I don't even know how much they do

00:36:14.780 this anymore.

00:36:15.260 But if you're not familiar, it's one round of boxing, one round of chess, checkmating

00:36:20.980 or finishing your opponent or the boxing division.

00:36:24.260 And so it's like, imagine like you're getting punched in the head and then you have to like,

00:36:30.240 you're, you're playing, I don't know what the time limit, I think it's blitz chess.

00:36:33.440 So it's pretty cool.

00:36:35.420 Yeah.

00:36:35.980 Anyways.

00:36:36.820 Um, I could try that or have it at another gathering, you know, that would be pretty cool

00:36:40.720 to see.

00:36:41.060 That's like that.

00:36:41.860 Um, there's, there's a bunch of weird little ridiculous ones like that, like a car jitsu

00:36:46.240 where they lock you in a car.

00:36:47.340 I think that's great.

00:36:48.540 Yeah.

00:36:48.900 Or phone booth.

00:36:49.840 I've seen that phone booth.

00:36:51.480 Is it phone booth jiu jitsu or fighting?

00:36:53.200 I think I think they're going to fight.

00:36:54.980 Yeah.

00:36:55.840 Yeah.

00:36:56.700 Although some of this stuff is getting rid of like the slap fighting and the new one

00:37:01.440 where it's just like, we're going to football hit in a knit, like we're going to run as

00:37:05.180 hard as we can at each other.

00:37:06.460 And just like, I don't know, basically speed run CTE and paralysis.

00:37:11.280 Yeah.

00:37:11.640 I think I've heard about that, but I didn't even, I didn't, I'm not going to look it up.

00:37:14.860 It's like, okay.

00:37:15.440 It's the same, it's the same company as power slap, I think. 0.97

00:37:18.520 So like, I, yeah, I think it's, that's a little obviously insane, but retarded, but 1.00

00:37:24.040 yeah, it's interesting.

00:37:25.900 So I guess you grew up in Appalachia then.

00:37:29.540 So it's like, I guess football wouldn't be as big there as it would be.

00:37:32.900 No, it's, it's big.

00:37:34.540 Yeah.

00:37:34.880 Well, I mean, in America, football is big.

00:37:37.140 I mean, you got wrestling.

00:37:38.520 Um, we have, we have some hockey, we have, uh, soccer.

00:37:42.600 We got to do that.

00:37:44.700 Like you're going to throw hockey in my face right now.

00:37:47.220 Like after we've got, I know hockey is closer to where you guys are at in the North, but

00:37:52.740 surprisingly, uh, there's a few Southern towns that are, you'll find them scattered around.

00:37:58.480 It'll even be like a small town and like the warm part of the country and they will build

00:38:02.780 an ice rink and they will have hockey.

00:38:04.420 I never, I have terrible balance.

00:38:06.240 I never, I never quite got used to skating or anything like that.

00:38:08.760 I've never really tried that much, but, uh, I'd love to attend a game.

00:38:11.400 Cause I keep hearing it's a lot of fun.

00:38:13.440 Oh, hockey.

00:38:14.080 Like it is a very entertaining sport.

00:38:16.320 Um, especially at, uh, it's honestly, it's probably more entertaining at like the lower,

00:38:22.800 like the semi pro or, um, what would you could like the juniors level?

00:38:27.480 Like the, the, like the eight under whatever it is, under 21s and stuff like that, where

00:38:32.800 it's a little bit more vicious a lot of time.

00:38:37.500 Um, but, uh, yeah, it's like a very obviously, you know, white European sport and still is.

00:38:45.520 So, and it kind of maintains that, that spirit.

00:38:49.020 Um, there was something I was going to mention there, but, oh, regarding the Southern, you

00:38:54.840 know, States and hockey, this is, you know, it's a point to add that.

00:38:58.440 Yeah.

00:38:58.680 Like, uh, you're, you're correct.

00:39:00.080 And also kind of sad.

00:39:01.700 There was recently an incident in Alberta, uh, where three junior hockey players were killed

00:39:07.520 in a traffic collision.

00:39:09.400 And, uh, one of them was from Alabama. 1.00

00:39:11.560 Damn. 0.99

00:39:11.960 Which is obviously it's sad, but like, yeah, you're not, you're correct. 0.99

00:39:14.720 Like there is like, I, when I saw from Alabama, I was like, Alabama hockey player like that.

00:39:19.660 Yeah.

00:39:20.540 Yeah.

00:39:20.840 They'll, they'll occasionally pop up.

00:39:22.240 I mean, they have, um, I'd say football is probably the biggest, most popular here in

00:39:27.680 America, but then the actually golf, golf makes a ton of money.

00:39:31.380 It's kind of a different, totally different vibe, but it makes a ton of money.

00:39:33.980 Uh, classic boxing, MMA, big ones in the sports.

00:39:37.460 Uh, baseball is probably may, I might venture to say the most traditionally American and

00:39:43.520 it's, it's popular.

00:39:44.520 I never really got into playing it.

00:39:46.260 I did a little bit of volleyball and Wally ball, which are, you know, that, that can be

00:39:50.240 cool too.

00:39:50.780 A lot of sports.

00:39:51.620 I would say, see, America is such a weird mixed bag because we have like the most obesity 1.00

00:39:55.920 and the most Roy slot, but then we also have like an insane amount of bodybuilders, sports

00:40:01.440 athletes, and like an economy section that is fueled by addiction to unfortunately just

00:40:08.020 watching some of these, but a lot of guys, they jump into that pipeline and having athletes

00:40:12.020 that are paid that much money.

00:40:13.180 It's, it's kind of a, the system's not what we want, but it is interesting that America

00:40:17.380 is polarized on like the extremes of lethargy or turning someone into an engine of athleticism.

00:40:24.340 I, I don't know if that's, it's that, uh, um, strange at all when you consider the, like,

00:40:34.160 I think that would be rooted in, in capitalism, right?

00:40:37.280 And I mean, capitalism is a bastardized system, but like, that's what in theory, that's what

00:40:41.820 capitalism and a system that supports capitalism should lead to is disparity.

00:40:46.900 And yeah, yeah, actually, or even if you can remove capitalism from the equation and just

00:40:52.760 say, if you have a society that, uh, emphasizes, you know, personal liberty to the extreme,

00:40:59.220 you're going to get that.

00:41:00.660 And like, I don't know if you've ever seen this, I, there's a, uh, parks and recreation,

00:41:04.800 there's this show and there's a line from it.

00:41:07.020 That's, that's hilarious from the, the Ron Swanson libertarian character.

00:41:10.820 He says like, um, you know, I believe is America is a place where if you want to eat hamburgers

00:41:18.460 and milkshakes and die of a heart attack at 43, that's your God given right.

00:41:24.000 And that's beautiful, right?

00:41:25.340 Like if you want to eat yourself, so like, you know what I mean?

00:41:27.960 Like there's that kind of element that you get where that is, that that's correct.

00:41:31.860 That is personal liberty taken to the extreme in the, the hedonistic, uh, definition of liberty.

00:41:40.420 But, uh, I think that's a bastardized version of what liberty or freedom is.

00:41:44.660 I would agree with that.

00:41:46.100 I think they've, they've, people now conflate liberty and freedom with materialism and hedonism,

00:41:51.200 which is, yeah.

00:41:52.160 It's a shame because it, well, it's, it's the degradation of the intelligence of our people.

00:41:55.840 They get atrophied minds.

00:41:57.840 They, the, the education is wrong.

00:41:59.580 The, you get dysgenics, you know, you get all this stuff, but it's, um, liberty as defined

00:42:05.160 an original American sense, like a founding father sense is a very graceful and like, it's,

00:42:11.020 it's a dynamic that is connected to nationalism.

00:42:14.200 You are connected to your duty, to your race and nation.

00:42:19.360 And there is liberty to do these things within a structure, much like classical Rome, where

00:42:24.880 you have the citizenship.

00:42:26.200 And this is a, essentially, I don't know if I'd go so far as to say a caste, but definitely

00:42:30.560 a class of, of citizen there.

00:42:33.620 Yeah.

00:42:34.820 It's, it's the, so I think, uh, you know, freedom is hedonism and liberty is materialism

00:42:42.100 is kind of what it is now.

00:42:43.240 But in reality, freedom is, um, responsibility and liberty is duty.

00:42:49.380 Like, that's what those things actually are intended to be.

00:42:52.260 You have the freedom, which means that you, like you can, but that makes you responsible.

00:42:56.540 If you want to be free, then you have to be responsible for yourself.

00:42:59.600 And if you want liberty, well, then you have to do your duty, you know, um, to enjoy those

00:43:05.240 liberties.

00:43:05.560 So, um, yeah, it's like, like, obviously the American system is modeled on, you know, Roman

00:43:12.620 and Greek traditions.

00:43:13.580 So like, it shouldn't surprise anyone, like, you know, whether it's the hoplite or the

00:43:17.260 Roman citizen soldier, um, like that, it, what was the basis for citizenship.

00:43:22.880 Right.

00:43:23.400 So, um, yeah, it shouldn't surprise anyone.

00:43:28.240 Um, but we, I don't know how we wandered.

00:43:32.380 We wandered from, what were we talking about?

00:43:34.280 Hockey to the citizen state.

00:43:37.860 Oh, well, I mean, we, we went from the, the disparity in America and obviously this is

00:43:43.440 something that it is fascinating because obviously Canada has its fair share of the exact same

00:43:49.280 phenomenon, but it is like, it's been a while since I've been to the States, but you know,

00:43:54.180 when we, we, it is to a different extreme, uh, in, in both the positive and the negative

00:43:59.860 ways, when you go to America, it's like, wow, people are either just absolutely gorgeous

00:44:03.700 or they're, yeah, yeah, I would say so.

00:44:09.420 I've been to 10 countries and, um, I don't think I've been, I haven't been to every state.

00:44:15.880 I've been to about 40, been to about 40 states, about 40 states, about 10 countries.

00:44:19.540 And I would say that, yeah.

00:44:21.760 And some of the, especially some of the like wealthier cities and states, you get that crazy

00:44:28.340 polarity where you're like, man, yeah, it's that disparity.

00:44:32.440 And it's, um, yeah, I mean, I could rant on my distaste of capitalism and I'm sure we

00:44:37.820 both could for quite some time.

00:44:39.420 Um, but it is in a more lighthearted sense, it can be amusing, especially if I'm attaching

00:44:44.040 myself, which I do to the polarity of excellence, but it can be a little bit disheartening.

00:44:49.740 Um, especially if you're not desensitized to, it can be disheartening to look at their other,

00:44:55.080 you know, huge percentage of that, which is absolute waste of life, you know?

00:45:00.380 Yeah, it's something that, you know, this is like in the longer breakdown of the, uh,

00:45:09.980 importance, like the reasons that physical fitness in our organization is important that

00:45:15.100 I explain to people, um, when I talk about the health of the nation, it's, it's not a

00:45:19.300 surprise that when you look around at the individuals that make up the nation and you

00:45:24.520 see a lot of bloated, decaying, corrupt, sick, degenerating people that that's going to result 0.97

00:45:32.240 in a sick, corrupt, bloated, degenerating, decaying society that, that, you know, like 0.98

00:45:39.840 that should be obvious to people. 0.95

00:45:41.720 The, um, you know, the cells make up the whole, right?

00:45:46.420 So, um, that is like, that's why it is so important.

00:45:50.840 And it's not just important for guys who are in active clubs or nationalist organizations

00:45:55.360 to take seriously.

00:45:56.620 Yeah.

00:45:57.360 Um, again, like there's a duty again, you want, like you want to talk about freedom or duty.

00:46:03.400 Um, like it's as a nationalist, even if you're not part, if you subscribe to that ideology,

00:46:08.720 I always tell, you know, my guys, like nationalism is not something you believe it's something

00:46:13.380 you do, it's things that you do, um, that actually, that's like the, uh, definitions

00:46:20.440 of ortho praxis for correct practice, rather than just orthodoxy, which is correct relief.

00:46:24.960 I mean, I, you could argue that they stem from the same, you know, root and we're, we're

00:46:28.900 doing both at the same time, but there has to be deeds.

00:46:32.180 It's deeds.

00:46:32.980 You know, an organization is not just an organization.

00:46:35.120 It's also an organism.

00:46:36.700 Um, everything we have is, I don't, I don't know that I would use the, the statement as above,

00:46:41.300 so below, that's kind of a loaded, weird statement, but.

00:46:43.380 The reflection of these things are on different cosmic scales of, you know, human and above

00:46:50.120 and, and, and large and small, there's all these connections and reflections.

00:46:52.960 And it's like, for people who are passionate about fitness, a lot of this can make sense.

00:46:59.360 It's, it's art art is very important.

00:47:01.640 That's very much attached to the existence of our people in our culture, you know, in our

00:47:05.660 hearts. 0.98

00:47:06.260 But for people who are fucking weaklings, they, they will come up with any weird way to try 0.99

00:47:12.820 to divorce and separate fitness from all these other amazing things. 0.99

00:47:17.560 And it's just like, you know, after a while, again, it's the guys who are used to being

00:47:21.860 physically fit or like, why, why are you listening to these goblins?

00:47:25.020 And I, I don't know how the goblins actually think about things.

00:47:27.720 If they're trying to escape fitness, I can't even fathom it anymore.

00:47:31.120 Or if I ever was able to, I don't know.

00:47:33.880 Well, I, I mean, I think the easy answer to your query there is that their ideology is

00:47:40.200 one of a death cult.

00:47:42.440 Yeah.

00:47:43.440 I mean, every element of what they believe is, you know, oriented towards destruction and

00:47:48.800 death.

00:47:49.160 Um, and it's presented as being, uh, empathy and tolerance and understanding or what it's

00:47:58.880 always presented.

00:47:59.580 Like, you know, it's the old cliche, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

00:48:03.060 Like, yeah, like, yeah, everything they're doing is basically death in disguise.

00:48:09.560 Yeah.

00:48:10.160 And I don't know if all of them even know that in America that started for us probably really

00:48:16.760 significantly in the 1960s and it was, man, the altruism of white people really caught 0.96

00:48:22.680 us in the ass there because it, it, pitching things as compassion and kindness or charity, 0.98

00:48:28.580 which have their own values and places. 0.99

00:48:30.740 Um, and it, it was marketed, you know, like it, like it, like a disease with a flower on

00:48:35.620 top.

00:48:35.900 And it just, now people will realize, you know, into the early 2020s, it, it became pretty

00:48:43.420 widespread that now even fairly, I say normal people, normies.

00:48:46.760 Would be able to recognize the concept of they're saying they care and it's just a freak.

00:48:53.600 You know, now that's, we can say that without having to, you know, worry about people just

00:48:57.700 being endlessly confused, but there were decades where they just average people would just get

00:49:02.920 this weird look and they're like, what, how does that even know?

00:49:05.320 They said they love people.

00:49:06.560 It's about love.

00:49:07.180 And it's like, oh my gosh, that's, that's what generated in some cases, the reactionary

00:49:12.740 parts of the movement that were possibly even overly violent or cruel because it was this

00:49:18.360 emergency immune response to toxic positivity.

00:49:22.900 If you want to call it that way, the over pitching of care, care, care, love, love, love

00:49:27.680 everybody, you know?

00:49:30.040 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:31.540 I think we're starting to finally, like it took long enough, we're starting to, as you

00:49:36.220 kind of alluded to there, understand that this is nonsense and that tolerating and celebrating

00:49:46.100 weakness and poor behavior and giving people excuses for any number of bad habits that they

00:49:53.700 have or, you know, poor behavior that they engage in, like that, that is detrimental to

00:50:00.160 everybody who's not doing it and it doesn't help the people who are doing it.

00:50:04.260 We finally realized, it's funny because I've been talking about this a little bit more recently

00:50:08.880 as in the context of, you know, psychologists and the, you know, number of children who are

00:50:15.640 being diagnosed with oppositional defiance disorder or ADHD or any number of personality

00:50:23.200 disorders and the thing that's interesting about it is, well, there's, there's two major

00:50:27.940 factors at play here is, well, one, they're in a terrible environment and so they don't

00:50:33.780 have disorders.

00:50:34.820 You're putting them in a box environment.

00:50:37.720 So yeah, it's hostile and then they're, they're reacting to it.

00:50:39.760 We're biologically reacting to that.

00:50:41.340 Yeah.

00:50:41.840 Yeah.

00:50:42.340 And then the other element of it as well is, so that's on, you know, the system and the,

00:50:46.880 the educational, uh, you know, professionals and, uh, you know, that whole, uh,

00:50:53.200 industry for lack of a better way of expressing it, but it's also on the parents.

00:50:57.740 And so what, like when these kids have these issues, like, well, what are they eating?

00:51:02.320 How much are they exercising?

00:51:03.660 Yeah.

00:51:03.980 And then they throw medication onto it and it's like anything, but the understanding

00:51:09.580 of what is naturally functional.

00:51:11.040 I went through it.

00:51:11.740 My, my parents threw ADHD meds at me, which led directly to me getting hooked on math, you

00:51:18.160 know, as a teenager, that's, that's what it did. 0.80

00:51:19.900 Um, so I'm very, almost to the point of probably being a little ignorant.

00:51:24.300 I'm very like anti, you know, label these kids with ADHD and give them meds.

00:51:28.340 I do really like medical science.

00:51:30.520 I was at, you know, EMT for a while.

00:51:32.320 I like psychiatry.

00:51:33.560 I like toxicology.

00:51:34.360 So I think there is a time and a place where we do that medicines needed. 0.99

00:51:37.700 Diagnosis is real, but for the most part, they hijack that shit. 0.99

00:51:40.860 And it, like you said, it's an industry. 0.99

00:51:42.480 It is a industry designed to create treatments, not cures.

00:51:46.200 They want money, they want low life expectancy, a cattle, we all know it.

00:51:50.700 We all know that exactly where all this comes from and goes these days.

00:51:53.400 It's much more common knowledge.

00:51:54.540 And I'm really happy to see a lot of people have rightly lost trust in a medical industry.

00:52:02.660 Absolutely.

00:52:03.380 And, you know, to circle back around to combat sports and things like that.

00:52:08.920 The funny thing is, if you drop a lot of these kids, particularly boys into those kinds

00:52:13.400 of environments, all of a sudden they flourish and they temper very well and they are able

00:52:18.980 to settle themselves and control their emotions and all that.

00:52:23.640 Like it's, it's fascinating.

00:52:24.980 This is one of the things, you know, if I'm hopefully, you know, ever blessed to have kids,

00:52:30.780 like combat sports is not going to be an option.

00:52:33.900 Like that's going to be in the same way they're going to learn math and science.

00:52:36.580 They're going to learn a combat sport.

00:52:38.200 Yes.

00:52:38.420 Um, they can do other sports too, if they want to, they're going to do it like they

00:52:42.500 would any other subject one.

00:52:45.760 You want to do jujitsu, do jujitsu.

00:52:47.460 You want to do boxing, do boxing, like wrestling.

00:52:49.560 Fine.

00:52:49.800 You're going to, you don't like one, try another.

00:52:51.620 You're going to do something.

00:52:52.980 And, uh, it's more because of that element of, uh, uh, that is brought to the table by

00:53:01.220 those sports than the actual self-defense or ability to, um, you know, uh, the physical

00:53:09.020 fitness element or anything like that.

00:53:10.500 It's the emotional and mental aspects of it that is really noticeable.

00:53:16.100 And again, like, that's something, if you think this is why I always encourage our guys

00:53:19.600 to do them, um, something because you'll never, you'll never understand that.

00:53:24.780 You can't understand what you're, what you actually get from combat sports until you do

00:53:29.940 it and no other sport is going to translate that to you.

00:53:33.220 Like I've done all kinds of, uh, high contact sports.

00:53:37.020 I played hockey.

00:53:37.920 I played lacrosse.

00:53:38.800 I played football.

00:53:41.220 It's not the same as a combat sport.

00:53:44.160 So like, if you haven't, you should.

00:53:46.720 Yeah.

00:53:46.880 I think the only thing those that combat sports, right.

00:53:49.140 And some combat sports do this as well.

00:53:50.740 They may not have the same team dynamics.

00:53:53.360 So I have a lot of respect for stuff like rugby because that's so much of this is so

00:53:57.340 valuable and it's, it goes to show just what men can be capable of.

00:54:02.180 If they're raised correctly, man, we can do a lot, conquer the world, which is what has

00:54:07.140 happened historically 5,000 years of recorded history and any successful culture has always

00:54:11.520 said, Oh yeah, the men train for war is because that has nuanced and layered value, but combat 0.78

00:54:17.720 sports will, I, I would, I would thank combat sports early on for me getting my ass beat when I,

00:54:24.580 you know, when I was younger, it tempered me early on and probably saved me from some mistakes that

00:54:30.080 could have been far worse.

00:54:31.040 I mean, I, I still make some mistakes that are just, you know, spectacular, but, um, that

00:54:35.540 definitely aided and, uh, manual analog forced humility.

00:54:40.760 Absolutely.

00:54:41.760 Um, and yeah, the, the team element is interesting cause I, I agree.

00:54:46.440 I think, so I have a schizo, I have no evidence to back this up. 1.00

00:54:52.240 I have my own schizo completely, uh, contrived conspiracy theory about American football. 0.90

00:54:58.900 Um, I think that it was proliferated and promoted largely through an intelligence operation in

00:55:05.780 the United States.

00:55:06.860 And the reason I say that is because if you understand, if you've played football and like

00:55:11.940 you're familiar with how these teams operate, uh, especially if you've also experienced anything

00:55:17.840 in the military, you'll understand that the way they operate is very similar.

00:55:22.660 Yeah.

00:55:23.380 You're, you get uniform inspections in football.

00:55:26.080 You have squads, you have, like, there's a hierarchy of coaches that you answer to and

00:55:32.160 you know, the way you address them, like they instill this culture of that, that translates

00:55:36.740 very well to the military.

00:55:38.100 Um, and honestly, I think that's when you understand what is actually going on in a football game,

00:55:45.520 it's a whole bunch of individual guys who are working collectively towards a specific

00:55:51.240 goal at the direction of a commanding officer.

00:55:54.900 The coach is calling the plays or he's coordinating them with his offensive coordinator, defensive

00:56:00.420 coordinator, special teams, coach, et cetera.

00:56:02.480 And then there's all these other coaches that are, you know, advising certain positions and

00:56:07.580 they're executing set plays over and over.

00:56:10.240 And these plays are not, they're not, uh, they're performed on muscle memory and like they're drilled

00:56:17.760 into them in the same way that military drill is drilled into guys.

00:56:21.180 So like, I have that kind of like, I have no evidence of that, but I, I, that's the thing

00:56:26.180 I like about football. 0.92

00:56:27.700 Um, I think it's a dumb sport because I got too many concussions from it. 1.00

00:56:32.740 I think the mechanics of the sport are stupid as fuck. 1.00

00:56:35.860 It would be better to put your kid in kickboxing than football, frankly. 1.00

00:56:39.820 Yeah.

00:56:41.820 Yeah.

00:56:42.000 Yeah.

00:56:42.680 In the military, there's a lot of indoctrination and I believe that indoctrination as a word,

00:56:48.180 you know, and as a process can be positive or negative.

00:56:50.320 I think that propaganda is the same way.

00:56:52.280 Right.

00:56:52.420 Um, I don't think that we, we, we talked in, you know, like freedom and liberty, right?

00:56:57.520 That's duty and responsibility.

00:56:58.960 So the idea of a, of a nation is that you, the goal is not really just to give people

00:57:05.000 whatever they want or, or to give them endless options.

00:57:08.040 It's not really, we're not so different from breeding, uh, dogs the right way.

00:57:13.540 We're just on a much higher level of that.

00:57:15.580 So the idea of indoctrination as a tool to inspire health and cohesion and nationalism,

00:57:22.920 we need this, but if it's used incorrectly, we get this, you know, psyop programming that,

00:57:30.640 that humans are programmable animals.

00:57:32.660 In my opinion, we're just the very highest of the animals.

00:57:34.740 That's that's, I mean, I'm sure that that statement could be picked apart with different

00:57:37.840 meaning, but it's, it's the recognition that one way or another we get, we have bias

00:57:43.060 and the world affects us.

00:57:44.700 You know, we watch TV and I, I've told guys this before, like you say, if there's a bottle

00:57:49.000 of poison in front of you and you know, it's poison and you drink it, you knowing that it's

00:57:53.560 poison does not stop that poison from hurting you.

00:57:55.680 So be careful what you go and put in your mind, because I can sit there and I can know

00:58:00.960 that it's bad.

00:58:01.660 I'll be like, ah, it doesn't affect me.

00:58:02.800 I'm beyond the psyop.

00:58:04.180 Treat everything like a well-tuned machine.

00:58:06.200 You know, if your mind's a castle, sometimes those gates are open for trade and sometimes they

00:58:09.740 are not.

00:58:10.200 Normally I don't do this, but I think that this is maybe an interesting question to bring

00:58:20.180 up, uh, now, uh, sis, wow, 64 says, how do you avoid CTE with boxing?

00:58:26.480 I'll let you, like, I have my opinions on this, but I'll let you answer if you'd like.

00:58:30.420 Yeah.

00:58:30.640 Hit them first and harder and don't get hit. 0.69

00:58:33.480 Good advice.

00:58:34.560 Yeah.

00:58:35.380 Good general advice.

00:58:36.440 I mean, you can, so with boxing, you're actually more likely to get the concussion like that

00:58:42.280 because of the broad surface impact, um, controlled sparring is a big thing.

00:58:49.080 A lot of the pros will talk about over time.

00:58:51.240 Um, understanding that no matter what you do, you're probably going to get some of that

00:58:54.660 stuff and any, any, any man in his life is going to get minor injuries.

00:58:58.420 We just, we just seek to avoid major, uh, but don't operate under the illusion that if

00:59:02.860 you're going to do a combat sport, like you're just never going to get hurt.

00:59:04.840 It's, it's, if you do everything right, you're still going to get something hooked up.

00:59:08.220 Um, but using, you know, headgear can make a difference and things like that.

00:59:12.660 Really?

00:59:13.200 One thing that I think really helps, um, is having a thick neck.

00:59:17.180 If you condition your neck, it will help soak up and shock absorb some of the blows to your

00:59:22.660 head.

00:59:23.740 Um, you know, but it's, it's, I would, I would look more towards the awareness of the reality.

00:59:29.220 It's probably going to happen and you want to plan for health and longevity to some degree,

00:59:33.700 but controlled sparring, maybe some safety equipment, a thick neck, win all your fights

00:59:40.840 instantly.

00:59:42.620 Yeah.

00:59:43.540 Yeah.

00:59:43.980 I think the, the important point there is like, look, if you want to do a combat sport,

00:59:49.400 especially a striking sport, like you can get away, like jujitsu wrestling, there's not

00:59:53.960 going to be, it still happens, but not as likely obviously, cause there's not the same impacts

00:59:59.500 to the head as much anyways, or it's not designed to have impacts to the head like that.

01:00:05.060 Right.

01:00:05.360 Um, but look like, you know, that you could do boxing without getting hit, right?

01:00:10.560 Like you, like guys, you could go, if you want to learn how to do boxing, you can hit

01:00:14.560 pads, you can hit the heavy bag, you can shadow box, you can skip, you could do 90% of the

01:00:20.300 things involved with boxing without engaging in sparring and ever getting hit.

01:00:24.180 Now that's not going to make you a good boxer at all.

01:00:27.940 Yeah.

01:00:28.620 Yeah.

01:00:28.940 There's some, some nuance, but you're right.

01:00:30.600 I mean, if guys are wanting, you can get some benefit out of doing portions of these

01:00:35.620 things without soaking it all up, uh, bare knuckle, interestingly enough, has a lot less

01:00:40.280 concussion than boxing, but how many people are going to, you know, I like it.

01:00:45.100 I think it's cool.

01:00:45.680 It's extremely British.

01:00:46.500 You know, it's, it's, um, it's very, very sporty, but if you're already at that point,

01:00:51.040 I'll be honest, most of the guys that do bare knuckle, they don't care if they catch,

01:00:55.780 you know, like, so it's like, I would hazard a guess that most of the guys who are interested

01:01:00.840 in doing bare knuckle have had their fair share of fights with gloves on and sparring

01:01:04.420 on all of these.

01:01:06.280 Yeah.

01:01:06.680 Like obviously if you want to get good at boxing, you're going to get hit in the head sometimes

01:01:12.380 if you want to be like, cause the only way, no amount of hitting the bag or hitting the

01:01:16.760 pads is actually going to make you proficient at fighting and then like, you can do it for

01:01:21.320 a year and then step into a sparring match and you'll realize very quickly, you have

01:01:24.760 no idea what the hell you're doing. 0.52

01:01:26.900 Um, so yeah, like, I guess if you're doing it for fitness, then yeah, you can go to what's

01:01:33.520 it called like boxer size or whatever.

01:01:35.500 Like, yeah, you can get some pretty good exercise.

01:01:38.900 I mean, and you might get their pro boxers are always going to have their, their isolated

01:01:43.060 training too.

01:01:43.680 I mean, you're going to get muscle memory and you can polish up a lot with that stuff.

01:01:48.080 But, um, yeah, I think, uh, there's a, I come across probably sounded more like a

01:01:54.420 Cro-Magnon who doesn't care about injury. 0.89

01:01:56.100 I mean, I've had a laundry list, but I do tell guys like, you know, our ancestors are like 0.98

01:02:00.100 stabbing shit with spears and we're like, Oh my God, I'm not going to get a headache, 0.98

01:02:03.000 but I don't want to downplay that. 1.00

01:02:05.740 Yes, there is also don't be stupid and soak up so much damage that when you're 40, you 1.00

01:02:10.660 can't read it. 1.00

01:02:11.760 You know, that's there.

01:02:12.940 You there's endless ways to articulate this and not everybody's going to be a pro fighter

01:02:17.080 or anything like that.

01:02:17.880 But I would say for guys that are, if your main goal in life is to avoid CTE, then probably

01:02:24.680 don't box.

01:02:25.460 I don't know what to, you know, do jujitsu guys like much lower chance.

01:02:31.640 You're probably still, there's, there's still the occasional accidental head, but, but it

01:02:34.520 much lower chance there, um, with jujitsu, there's some freak stuff that can happen where

01:02:39.980 if you get choked a lot over time, it can create an aneurysm.

01:02:43.200 But now, now we're talking about like, there are certain things beyond the control of man,

01:02:48.940 you know, like a, uh, talk an asteroid.

01:02:51.780 I don't know. 0.98

01:02:52.140 There's, there's, there's shit that can happen to us that will kill us almost out of nowhere. 0.96

01:02:56.120 So you want to do your due diligence and try to avoid the things that you can, but I would 0.91

01:03:01.600 veer away from, I do not consider myself a control freak.

01:03:04.840 It doesn't bother me to kind of not have control to be honest, but, um, balancing that it looks

01:03:10.780 different for different men who have different jobs and different passions, but that that's

01:03:14.600 a principle I definitely would say is worth contemplating.

01:03:17.060 Yeah.

01:03:18.280 And the last like major injury I had was throwing out my back from lifting a 10 pound bag of

01:03:25.880 garbage guys from the weirdest, the weirdest man.

01:03:30.440 Yeah. 0.99

01:03:30.880 Yeah.

01:03:31.280 I could, I was on the mats three times a week, you know, in, you know, basically contrived,

01:03:37.740 uh, you know, fighting to the death scenarios, right.

01:03:40.980 Try to choke each other to death, break each other's limbs.

01:03:44.000 And then it was lifting a 10 pound bag of garbage that messed up my back.

01:03:47.900 So like, I don't know, like, welcome to life.

01:03:51.220 It happens.

01:03:52.500 Yeah.

01:03:54.540 But yeah, obviously, um, like the whole point of like, yeah, if you're, you don't want to

01:04:01.300 get concussions, uh, do a sport, like even combat sport.

01:04:05.720 Yeah.

01:04:05.920 Jiu Jitsu is kind of like designed to do that a little bit, but then you're going to tell

01:04:10.100 you right now, you're going to mess up your elbows and your knees and like, you'll have

01:04:13.980 different injuries.

01:04:14.860 So like pick your poison, suffer or suffer basically.

01:04:17.500 Right.

01:04:17.640 Yeah.

01:04:17.940 And it is funny.

01:04:18.760 I see a lot of guys that'll like glorify, um, you know, you see this in artwork a lot

01:04:22.980 or like far right meme edits and stuff, uh, nights, uh, chivalry, you know, jousting

01:04:29.220 boy, howdy jousting was, it still is today in the places where you can find it.

01:04:33.480 There are some people that still do, but, um, we like to glorify these things of our people.

01:04:38.660 Take a real good, hard look, you know, at, at what that means.

01:04:43.260 Um, and that the, this was, we have a legacy of our bodies being simultaneously capable of

01:04:51.200 amazing resilience.

01:04:52.180 And also in some ways it feels like they're built of glass, but you've got to embrace life.

01:04:56.980 You got to do your best.

01:04:58.560 And some of us have passions and proclivities for getting really good at this stuff.

01:05:01.960 But I always, you know, it's, it amuses me like how many guys that have probably felt

01:05:07.040 highly inspired by seeing a movie about nights.

01:05:09.980 But then if they don't ever go and do anything remotely like that, or they, they try to avoid

01:05:13.480 all risks.

01:05:14.080 It's like, you're not, you're not accessing who you are.

01:05:17.860 Yeah, exactly.

01:05:19.500 It's, uh, you like this again, it goes back to the combat sports thing, which is like,

01:05:26.140 you just like, you'll get something out of that.

01:05:28.720 You just, you're not going to get that out of playing pickleball guys.

01:05:32.080 You're not going to get it out of volleyball or, you know, rec league, you know, dodgeball

01:05:37.540 or something like that.

01:05:38.500 Like, it's just not going to happen.

01:05:40.140 Or even beer league hockey, like you're not going to get the same thing.

01:05:42.460 But when you're, you roll for whatever, 10 minutes with a guy and you're fighting for

01:05:47.500 like, he's almost got you and you're about to like, you're going out and you know, you

01:05:51.760 just fight and hold on.

01:05:52.940 And then you survive the round and like, it's over and you're like huffing for breath.

01:05:56.560 It's like, you just survived a near death experience.

01:05:59.780 Like I, you got to experience that or being in a fight where, um, you know, you become,

01:06:06.240 it gets to the point where like in sparring, where you're not even conscious of what's going

01:06:09.480 on anymore.

01:06:09.980 You're just in the moment.

01:06:12.940 That's a whole nother subject.

01:06:14.300 That's fascinating is entering this sort of subconscious state.

01:06:17.920 Um, man, there's some fascinating ancient studies on stuff like this.

01:06:21.100 I know Samurai had, had some notes on it.

01:06:23.040 Europeans did too.

01:06:23.980 We, our culture has always had very in depth.

01:06:27.000 We don't have to go look at other cultures is what I'm saying, but I do think some of

01:06:30.940 the samurai studies were fascinating.

01:06:32.660 But this idea of entering into a sacred space, into a subconscious space where you are interacting

01:06:39.580 with reality through these memorized movements.

01:06:41.480 And it's something that, yeah, I would say combat sports is one of the few ways to realistically

01:06:48.320 pursue an experience like that.

01:06:50.420 I think some forms of art, like if an artist is consumed by that and he is a sculptor, you

01:06:55.880 know, and he is locked in that, in that project for hours and days, you know, you know, like

01:07:00.400 that's, yeah, yes, yes.

01:07:03.840 Yeah.

01:07:04.560 Yeah, exactly.

01:07:05.960 And look, if you haven't experienced it, I would, uh, highly recommend it.

01:07:10.000 Also just to follow up there on the question that we were addressing, uh, I, I lost it

01:07:16.040 there, but, uh, Cis Wow said, um, I can't fight at all because I have a brain tumor.

01:07:23.460 Well, I'm very sad. 0.97

01:07:24.900 Like that, like, obviously that really sucks, man.

01:07:27.540 But like, why are you, why are you asking us how to avoid CT?

01:07:31.080 But anyways, um, yeah, I don't know.

01:07:35.260 Just look, I, like, I can't, uh, I can't do jujitsu regularly or MMA or stuff like that

01:07:41.520 because I got banned from the commercial gym.

01:07:44.420 There's really not much else available where I live.

01:07:47.200 I just started lifting weights, man.

01:07:48.920 And that feels like, I mean, I, I was lifting weights before, but I just took the weightlifting

01:07:52.720 more seriously.

01:07:53.440 And, you know, if, if you can't do it, then just, you know, I'm getting, I'm getting older

01:07:58.880 now anyways, like, uh, I feel, I feel a lot.

01:08:03.480 I don't have the same, uh, aches and pains in the morning that I used to when I was doing

01:08:08.160 jujitsu regularly.

01:08:09.100 So silver linings, silver linings.

01:08:12.000 There are a lot of ways to train.

01:08:13.960 Um, I've dealt, I, I, I had, uh, a lot of experience or some experience with, you know,

01:08:22.020 people very close to me going through debilitating conditions and, and, and brain tumors and stuff

01:08:26.500 like that.

01:08:26.900 And it is, um, I'd never want to try to sugarcoat it.

01:08:30.360 It's that kind of stuff that's miserable and it's dark.

01:08:33.060 Let that also inspire all of us that have the blessing to be able to still do things,

01:08:40.100 to do it with a full heart and with a lot of passion to do so.

01:08:44.080 And for those of you that can't, it's not necessarily the end of the world.

01:08:47.820 Like you said, there's, there are other things that you can and can't do sometimes. 0.51

01:08:50.800 Um, uh, one that's kind of a weird, and I, I catch guys give me shit for this sometimes,

01:08:56.160 but, uh, kind of an interesting style of fitness, uh, stuff like Pilates and yoga.

01:09:00.740 Uh, this is stuff that may be available to some people who have very little of anything

01:09:04.460 else.

01:09:04.940 Um, just running outside, just run is, you know, like there's shit you can do, go hiking. 0.89

01:09:12.100 Um, that, and my, my ultimate backup, if I get too busted up to do anything and I've done

01:09:16.960 this when I've been injured or when I get much older, it's going to have to be this way.

01:09:20.340 I love cooking.

01:09:21.560 I love cooking.

01:09:22.600 I love cuisine.

01:09:23.400 And that's like, that is to me, you know, there are things you can do and be passionate

01:09:28.920 about even when you're restricted on just sheer physical endeavor.

01:09:33.580 So I, I, I would hate to see people get lost in misery from not looking at a few other options,

01:09:39.540 but it's, it's one of the challenges we face as mortals.

01:09:41.400 We're going to aid, we're going to get hurt.

01:09:42.840 You know, I think, I think what you were just describing there, I don't know if there would

01:09:47.480 be a European, uh, uh, you know, equivalent to this, but it's kind of like Kung Fu, right? 0.67

01:09:54.720 Like, or like, um, you know, what's the, it's like, um, practicing excellence in all

01:10:00.820 things, right?

01:10:02.040 It's a, it's a state where it's like, it doesn't matter what you're doing.

01:10:05.260 If you're actually, you know, consciously involved in what you're doing and seeking

01:10:10.580 to do it as best as you can, like that's, um, what you want.

01:10:14.520 It doesn't really, is it, if it's cooking, if it's whatever chess, if it's any of these

01:10:17.840 things.

01:10:18.460 And I think sports is a good way to learn how to practice that, which is why you should

01:10:23.640 do them when you're younger.

01:10:24.480 And then, you know, you take that on after, and you, you see this with guys, like the,

01:10:28.420 a lot of the guys who excelled at sports that I know are also the ones who did well in

01:10:33.240 school.

01:10:33.980 Yeah.

01:10:35.480 Dude, the whole, the whole thing, uh, who was I, who was I talking to about this?

01:10:39.720 I think it was Marauder Marauders.

01:10:41.460 It's a, it's, it's a Catholic telegram, uh, guy.

01:10:43.540 He's cool dude. 0.99

01:10:44.320 But there was this discussion of like, where did this idiot myth come from in recent media 1.00

01:10:49.040 that the sports jockey is stupid or something like the most brilliant men know how to sculpt 1.00

01:10:55.620 kinetic, you know, their bodies and apply themselves to mathematics language. 0.99

01:11:01.660 I mean, I mean, that is the smartest men are fit.

01:11:06.000 You can find examples of dudes that are freakishly smart.

01:11:08.660 Maybe they're not the most fit.

01:11:09.480 There's always little exceptions, just little rules, but in general, being fit is intelligent.

01:11:15.980 I, well, I would say that like, of course, um, there are very exceptionally intelligent

01:11:25.000 people who have no element of physicality to them, but there are very few well-rounded,

01:11:31.540 exceptional men that rise to positions of influence that are not embracing multiple things until

01:11:39.020 maybe, you know, modernity, whenever it's, we live in the age of the dork and the HR lady 0.63

01:11:43.860 ruling society.

01:11:44.780 So now there's like an inversion there, but that's very new.

01:11:48.700 And just like, go pick some great figure from history.

01:11:52.420 Um, and even the ones who had, like, there's obviously examples that you could like, uh,

01:11:57.240 someone like a Cecil Rhodes, right.

01:11:59.440 You know, the, the, that Rhodesia is named after suffered from like, I believe it was

01:12:04.240 asthma and a bunch of debilitating illnesses.

01:12:06.500 And it's like, he still had an element of physicality, like that he was known for it

01:12:09.960 of like, if the Cooleys weren't doing their work, he would just go in the mines and do

01:12:14.220 it himself.

01:12:15.700 And so like, like, there's always that element of like toughness and physicality among those

01:12:20.940 men.

01:12:21.300 So yeah, I think you're, you're a hundred percent right.

01:12:23.980 Um, on that, uh, topic.

01:12:27.120 And if you're wondering where that comes from, it comes from the same place of, of, uh, you 1.00

01:12:31.760 know, the stereotype of blondes being dumb or blonde girls being stupid. 1.00

01:12:35.500 Yep. 1.00

01:12:35.940 There's another one.

01:12:37.060 Yep.

01:12:37.300 They're, they're smarter on average.

01:12:39.280 Literally.

01:12:39.940 Literally.

01:12:40.540 Yeah.

01:12:40.820 Yeah.

01:12:42.000 I don't know.

01:12:43.000 Who could have done this?

01:12:44.180 Who could have come up with this?

01:12:46.360 There's a, uh, a small hat and a large nose somewhere around.

01:12:50.200 But, um, yeah, it's a Hollywood stereotypes.

01:12:54.200 Like it, um, I'm trying to think of things like, uh, back to the future, right.

01:13:00.420 The bully Biff Tannen, right. 1.00

01:13:02.480 Is just a, an idiot and the hero is, you know, Marty's dad. 1.00

01:13:07.100 Who's an absolute, he's a dork and a pervert. 1.00

01:13:10.100 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:10.780 Like he's an apps.

01:13:11.400 Like he's, he's a voyeur who's peeping on women and he's the hero.

01:13:15.540 Like, I mean, Biff is obviously not better, but the point is like, they, it, what a weird,

01:13:20.860 it was only, I go back to, I love, um, like what there's a, there's old school movies to

01:13:26.480 like, kind of almost like Conan and, uh, and, and fire and ice and this stuff that's like

01:13:30.740 very retro, very eighties, you know, but it's like overpowering masculinity and guess what?

01:13:35.800 Yeah.

01:13:35.960 He's the good guy.

01:13:36.680 And guess what?

01:13:37.300 The princess is blonde and she's hot and he's going to get her and he's going to get 1.00

01:13:40.820 her by killing the enemy. 0.99

01:13:42.360 Who's the bad guy who guess what is ugly? 0.98

01:13:44.340 You know, like, so it's like, that's it there.

01:13:47.780 So I, I think that the appreciation for that kind of what could be called retro, even though

01:13:52.520 it's eternally true is, uh, people, people feel that vibe a little bit more now that we've 0.51

01:13:57.140 been overloaded with the whole dumb inversion. 0.85

01:14:01.620 You know, I always, these, these twisted inversions, they try to just toss sign about this recently 0.98

01:14:08.780 with the, you know, that like, uh, it was in response to somebody on telegram who was

01:14:14.040 saying, um, you know, instead of embracing the term anti-Semite, you should be calling 0.52

01:14:21.200 them anti-goy.

01:14:22.840 And it's just like, what, like you want to sit here and play word games with each other.

01:14:26.600 Like you want to just, uh, to me, I'm just like, yeah, I don't care.

01:14:29.720 Like, what is fine, what does that mean?

01:14:31.760 Okay, cool.

01:14:32.340 Like, I don't care.

01:14:33.260 Um, and to me, that's like a more like, that's laconic.

01:14:37.040 That's like, just a good way to put it.

01:14:41.600 Yeah.

01:14:42.200 Why, why would I want to sit around and play word games with people who, by the way, are

01:14:46.460 just going to say that, you know, the word that you're using is something that an anti-Semite

01:14:50.780 would say, or something that a Nazi would say or something like, they're just going to turn

01:14:54.180 it right back around and say, only people who are this say that.

01:14:58.380 So you are this thing.

01:14:59.880 But, um, what it comes from, the reason I bring that up as a topic is it's this victim

01:15:05.600 morality, this concept that the victim in the situation is morally correct.

01:15:11.240 That the person who is weaker and oppressed is always the one who's actually, um, you

01:15:17.720 know, entitled to, um, you know, power, the oppressed, the misunderstood, the, uh, yeah.

01:15:24.920 And the bigger, the victim they are that like, so like, this is why you end up with things 0.99

01:15:29.020 where people list off their, you know, mental illnesses, like they're fucking. 1.00

01:15:32.860 Oh my God. 1.00

01:15:35.320 They, they identify with flaws that becomes who they are.

01:15:39.460 It takes, it takes control of them.

01:15:41.120 And then the flaws get worse.

01:15:42.600 I have a deep belief and this is in psychology too.

01:15:45.780 And in, in my opinion, in spirituality, people probably started off in this scope of things,

01:15:51.040 you know, and, and the youth or whatever that probably didn't have real issues and they

01:15:56.580 may, you know, they made shit up and conditions and, and, and stresses and anxiety and stuff. 0.99

01:16:01.540 And it became real because they fed that troll. 0.99

01:16:05.160 They fed that thing inside of them knowingly or unknowingly over and over until it replaced

01:16:10.820 who they could have been.

01:16:11.840 It's like, it's a spiritual cancer and it becomes real.

01:16:14.340 It's it, man, it's so interwoven with you, you do things mentally and they become physical

01:16:22.060 at all.

01:16:22.440 It's, it's the whole, um, like the very ancient axiom of good thoughts, good words, good deeds.

01:16:27.820 It's, it's a, this is, this is a creation process and you can turn that around and screw

01:16:33.060 yourself if you, if you're not careful about it, if you're not aware of these things.

01:16:39.020 Absolutely.

01:16:39.760 So look, we know that placebo effect is real.

01:16:43.440 Yeah.

01:16:43.880 It exists.

01:16:45.060 Like it has an impact.

01:16:46.400 If they give you, if they give a guy a sugar pill and tell him it's Anivar and he takes

01:16:51.500 it for eight weeks, he will gain more muscle mass than the guy.

01:16:55.560 Yeah.

01:16:56.200 That's what's going on there.

01:16:57.820 He believes that he's on something.

01:16:59.580 And so he trains harder.

01:17:01.180 He eats like he's, he's more cognizant of these things.

01:17:04.080 And he's, he is manifesting good, um, positive, uh, you know, thoughts.

01:17:12.980 And that helps with the process.

01:17:14.900 It's like, I see this all the time with our, this drives me nuts with our guys.

01:17:18.700 It's always complaining about how bad things are.

01:17:22.020 And it's like, it's like you guys want to lose.

01:17:24.240 Yeah.

01:17:24.640 That is a weird, I've seen that.

01:17:27.320 I think, and I think I see the pipeline of where this came from too.

01:17:30.420 So I think it started, you know, we can move it back a few decades if we started here.

01:17:34.820 So we start this more modern sense of our knowledge of nationalism, but first things

01:17:41.140 first, we know, okay, the left is bad.

01:17:42.920 Yeah.

01:17:43.120 We know, we know communism, bad, anarchy, bad. 1.00

01:17:45.740 We know that that's not, you know, transsexuals are awful. 0.97

01:17:48.240 That that's not like, that was not hard to reach that conclusion. 1.00

01:17:50.840 And the next we learned, oh yeah, capitalism sucks. 1.00

01:17:54.560 Conservatives are liars. 1.00

01:17:55.960 You know, like this is the other side of the coin. 0.98

01:17:57.740 Now, now we finally know that this fake, right, that this it's, it's, it's the same.

01:18:02.660 It's the other arm of the octopus.

01:18:03.760 You know, we identified, this is a problem.

01:18:06.140 And for a lot of people, they thought, okay, now, now we got it.

01:18:08.620 We figured it out.

01:18:09.280 We know option one and two is wrong.

01:18:11.300 We're the solution.

01:18:12.240 And, and that is, you know, the third way nationalism, but there was this third little

01:18:17.720 problem I think that came up and it was people that had reached the first two conclusions,

01:18:22.660 but then they backed away into isolationism over tribalism.

01:18:28.220 And what I mean by over tribalism is like no cohesion, no real dreams or goals, no nationalism,

01:18:34.740 no organizing.

01:18:35.640 You know, it was like a disconnected, extremely like decentralization at the cost of preventing

01:18:42.760 any kind of, you know, it was defeatism.

01:18:45.040 And they, they, they hyper-focused on what's always bad.

01:18:50.400 It's, it's, they're just determined to ride out the apocalypse and, and that's, that's

01:18:54.760 it, you know, and it was, it was a weird third thing that I think now people are more or less

01:19:00.740 aware of it, but they had to bypass that and realize no matter how bad anything ever

01:19:04.960 gets, and trust me, it gets bad.

01:19:06.180 It's been bad.

01:19:06.780 It may get worse.

01:19:07.420 It may not get worse.

01:19:08.300 It may not get worse.

01:19:09.260 It may get better, but I'm going to work for it to get better.

01:19:12.580 And that starts, you know, in the heart and the mind, you have to, you have to have some

01:19:17.060 level of, of visualization and belief in victory or else, what are you doing?

01:19:23.280 You know, it doesn't matter what game you're playing or how good or bad at it you are.

01:19:29.060 If you don't believe you can win, you can't win.

01:19:32.280 If you've already defeated yourself in your own mind, then you're, you already beat yourself.

01:19:37.560 Like you have to believe you can win or you're not going to.

01:19:40.040 Um, it's like, it's like, can you, like, if you, I know this sounds like such a simple

01:19:46.440 concept, but just like, think about it, any little thing that you're doing, if you're

01:19:50.080 like, I can't do this or I can't win this game, there's no way I can beat this guy.

01:19:53.800 Well, then you can't like, that's not, it's not going to happen.

01:19:56.740 Yeah.

01:19:57.180 And it does.

01:19:57.680 It sounds simple.

01:19:58.380 It sounds like, you know, people be like, oh, that's wishy-washy.

01:20:00.640 Am I like, no, it's, it's literally like it's that way.

01:20:03.200 And then even in instances where you think like that initially and something happens

01:20:10.420 and you start to win, you start to believe you can win.

01:20:14.200 And that's whenever you can win, like these things are related.

01:20:17.380 So this is important.

01:20:19.060 Like when guys do the defeatism stuff, the blackfilling stuff, like I just want to slap 1.00

01:20:23.880 them because you want to, you want to think that something like, look, sometimes I have

01:20:27.960 these thoughts.

01:20:28.540 I don't broadcast them out into the, and I try to like, this is a me problem right

01:20:33.160 here, right now.

01:20:34.140 I'll deal with this and then I'll, I'll get my head on straight.

01:20:37.360 I don't project that onto other guys to, um, you know, bring them down with me for whatever

01:20:43.440 reason I'm feeling that way.

01:20:45.120 Yeah.

01:20:45.600 I mean, there's a common place where guys should and can reach out for support, but that's

01:20:49.780 very different than just defeatism.

01:20:51.780 Uh, I think it was, it may have been something from operation werewolf where it was like, don't

01:20:56.700 bring fear into the village.

01:20:59.140 And it's this concept of, and I, I, I will quote Dune, I will quote Dune so hard, but,

01:21:04.060 uh, cause I love some of the stuff from that science fiction.

01:21:06.540 That's like, you know, fear is the mind killer.

01:21:08.660 Um, thou shalt not disfigure the soul.

01:21:10.740 And this is, this is fiction, you know, but it's inspiring and it's artwork that leads to

01:21:14.920 the understanding of real concepts, which are, if you put poison in yourself, in your heart

01:21:21.320 and your mind, any of this stuff that can hurt you, that can spread to others.

01:21:25.880 And we're, we're humans.

01:21:26.960 That's the way we work.

01:21:27.840 So we have to treat it with the acknowledgement that these are real things or they become

01:21:32.260 real, you know, and that we can, and we can also beat them.

01:21:34.800 And I, yeah, absolutely.

01:21:38.820 I a hundred percent agree.

01:21:39.840 And the last thing that I would say on that is the way I got, like, I was blackfilled at

01:21:47.740 one point, the way I got over it was by realizing like, what else am I going to do?

01:21:52.000 Am I just like, I know these things.

01:21:53.980 I know what's going on.

01:21:55.220 And I know how bad this is probably going to get.

01:21:57.780 And I know where, which direction this is heading.

01:22:00.500 What am I just going to sit here and not do anything about it and just, you know, be

01:22:06.440 bitter about, you know, failing and just watching everything I care about just disintegrate around

01:22:12.280 me.

01:22:12.460 Like, is that what I'm going to do?

01:22:13.840 And so the real, I think way around the black bill, if, even if you have it, and even if 0.50

01:22:20.380 you genuinely believe that there, you cannot win is what else are you going to do, but fight?

01:22:26.020 Yeah.

01:22:26.600 Yeah, exactly.

01:22:28.240 There's nothing longer to do.

01:22:30.020 We'll fight.

01:22:30.960 Yeah.

01:22:31.140 Even if they think it's like, oh, well, this is inevitable.

01:22:32.900 I'm like, well, if it makes no difference, then why wouldn't you still do the cooler

01:22:35.900 thing?

01:22:36.600 Why would you not still do the better thing?

01:22:38.380 So the battle analogy would be something like you're, you're hopelessly outnumbered, you

01:22:45.980 know, out materialed out reason, like there's no way you can win, but you're going to die

01:22:51.740 either way.

01:22:52.320 You can run now and you'll die, you know, a little bit from now, or you can fight now 0.99

01:22:56.600 and you'll die anyway. 0.92

01:22:57.340 It's like, well, you might as well, what's the point of running at that?

01:23:00.340 Like you might as well, it's, it's the difference between being dragged into the arena to, you

01:23:06.660 know, to face your death or, you know, walking proudly, you know, you know, with your held

01:23:11.820 held, your head held high to face your death.

01:23:14.600 There's a huge difference between those two things. 0.99

01:23:17.800 Um, and so like, if you are black, we'll just take the, take the, uh, the pride pill and 1.00

01:23:23.720 just fight anyway. 0.99

01:23:24.880 Yeah.

01:23:25.820 Yeah.

01:23:26.740 Absolutely.

01:23:27.500 But here's a, here's a good example of, uh, this, uh, nationalism with today's con with

01:23:32.480 it with, I would assume he means within today's context is like talking about home

01:23:36.160 maintenance after the house has had a roof leak and a hundred other problems for decades.

01:23:41.040 Yeah. 0.97

01:23:41.400 So you're like, you're a defeats, you're black. 1.00

01:23:43.180 Like, I'm just gonna like, bye. 0.99

01:23:46.600 Yeah.

01:23:46.980 Yeah.

01:23:47.380 I'm going to, I'm going to start fixing the leaks, buddy.

01:23:49.240 You know, like, I guess what?

01:23:50.140 I got some tools.

01:23:51.080 So I don't know.

01:23:52.240 Let's build a new house.

01:23:53.400 I guess we'll just sit in the rain and freeze to death because the house is rotten.

01:23:57.140 Like, what do you like?

01:23:57.660 How is that a solution?

01:23:59.400 Yeah.

01:23:59.640 I don't know.

01:24:00.000 I'll go take these guys lunch money and I'll go get something nice to eat or something.

01:24:03.500 I don't know.

01:24:04.020 I can't.

01:24:04.600 Yeah.

01:24:05.080 I can't relate to it.

01:24:06.100 Again, I think there is such a thing as real, genuine nihilism that can affect even the best

01:24:11.440 men.

01:24:11.780 I do believe that's real and acknowledge it and deal with it and crush it and support

01:24:15.940 from brothers can do that.

01:24:16.920 But if it's like some weird black pilly little spurt that just wants to do that, that's not 1.00

01:24:22.460 part of our communities. 0.56

01:24:23.360 We don't, we don't allow that in Patriot front.

01:24:25.340 We don't have that in Patriot Gloria.

01:24:26.840 I don't keep that in my social circles.

01:24:28.360 Um, the hygiene of everything we are and do.

01:24:32.480 Yeah.

01:24:33.640 No, no, no time for the weakness.

01:24:36.160 It goes back to the first reason that we emphasize physical fitness within second sons.

01:24:41.940 It's an excellent filter.

01:24:44.560 These guys do not want to be around.

01:24:46.680 They don't want, they just want to black pill. 1.00

01:24:49.080 They don't want to do anything productive.

01:24:50.400 And so they're immediately like, they'll, they'll, uh, you know, the trash will take itself

01:24:54.880 out whenever you implement like basic standards.

01:24:57.680 Um, yeah, uh, there was something else that I was, I was going to go a different direction

01:25:08.280 there with that.

01:25:08.880 No, I've, I, I made the mistake of indulging the black pillar, but I thought it was just 1.00

01:25:14.360 relevant.

01:25:16.840 It's thought it was a good time to, uh, like, look, I feel like, look, you gotta, you can't

01:25:26.700 go over the top with it, but occasionally some people need to just be made an example

01:25:30.200 of.

01:25:32.360 Yeah.

01:25:33.280 Yeah.

01:25:33.900 That's how a lot of our people learn.

01:25:35.160 I mean, again, it's, it's a progression of things.

01:25:38.280 And I mean, granted, like, you know, has there been a time in history that's been this, um,

01:25:43.440 this rough?

01:25:44.100 I don't know.

01:25:44.380 I think there probably has been a little bit, but it's no time is identical.

01:25:48.400 So I don't, and again, I don't want that to lead into a conversation with somebody who

01:25:51.820 takes this justification for, I'm just going to, you know, no, it's all different

01:25:55.820 and awful, I don't know.

01:25:57.380 Call me insane, whatever I'm going to be.

01:25:58.940 I'm going to be, I'm going to be hopelessly positive all the time.

01:26:01.100 I'm permanently white-billed, which is the preferred color, sir.

01:26:04.640 You know?

01:26:06.440 The other thing too, like, and I'm sure you've observed similar things is that, isn't it funny

01:26:11.320 that the people who are the most negative are always the ones doing the least?

01:26:15.920 A lot of times.

01:26:16.580 Yeah.

01:26:17.300 They're not doing anything and they're like, maybe just crazy idea.

01:26:23.400 Try doing anything, but try getting involved in something and stepping away from just the

01:26:29.080 constant stream of doom porn that you get through your screen and, um, like socialize with other

01:26:35.440 like-minded people, get involved and you'll immediately feel better about the situation.

01:26:40.140 That'll bring you to life.

01:26:41.020 A lot of guys and they, and some dudes to their, you know, maybe to their credit, it

01:26:46.660 could be guys, it could be younger dudes.

01:26:48.100 It could be anything where they just, they literally don't know, or they're not, they're

01:26:51.960 not capable that they haven't learned yet to pull themselves up.

01:26:55.520 You know, sometimes you got to be taught that some people are more capable than others.

01:26:58.580 It depends.

01:26:59.220 And we want to save our people.

01:27:00.620 So if there's something there to be saved and we can bring them in and, and bring some

01:27:05.160 radiance and transform their, their perspective and they become brighter now, um, we'll do

01:27:11.640 it.

01:27:12.060 Oh yeah, we'll do it.

01:27:12.920 Uh, and then, but there's always a handful that are just hopelessly lost.

01:27:17.140 And that's, that's reality.

01:27:18.900 The issue with this is much like winning.

01:27:21.060 The person has to believe that there is something that's an alternative before they're going to

01:27:25.960 find one.

01:27:26.380 And so if they don't believe that anything is worth doing, like part of the power of

01:27:30.900 nihilism is that there's a truth to it, right?

01:27:33.160 The real sinister, you know, nefarious nature of nihilistic thinking is that there's an element

01:27:39.120 of objective truth to it, which is that does this, does any of this really matter on a long

01:27:44.800 enough timeline, you know, all goes to dust.

01:27:48.420 None of this is remembered.

01:27:49.800 Like there's an element of like, yeah, there's, there's truth to it, but ultimately it's the

01:27:54.340 choice to, nah, you know what?

01:27:56.540 I'm going to do it anyways.

01:27:58.300 That's what makes, that's what helps you.

01:28:00.520 That's the key to overcoming that and realizing that it does matter is making the choice.

01:28:04.480 Well, even if that's true, I don't care.

01:28:05.900 I'm going to do it anyways.

01:28:07.060 Yeah.

01:28:07.400 And then people find joy.

01:28:08.700 Then they find real joy.

01:28:09.980 Even, even if you want to hyper simplify me like, oh, well, that's only tangible to our

01:28:14.460 meaningless mortal lives.

01:28:15.880 It's like, okay, well then you went and did it.

01:28:17.260 We have five senses at a very basic biological level.

01:28:19.740 And I have deep spiritual beliefs that, uh, for me defeat nihilism, but even at very basic

01:28:24.800 levels, it's like, there are logical and simple benefits for these things almost no matter

01:28:31.340 what.

01:28:33.140 Well, yeah.

01:28:34.040 And it's, it, it's something that like, look, a lot of guys struggle with it and then it leads

01:28:43.500 to hedonism materialism.

01:28:44.680 Like, this is the essence of the reason why our enemies are the way they are because their

01:28:49.960 entire ideology is rooted in none of this really matters.

01:28:52.520 It's the core of it is like, look, there's some atheists who are there.

01:28:57.900 They get it.

01:28:58.480 Like they're, they're a weird kind of atheist where they like think that it does matter,

01:29:02.640 even though they don't think anything.

01:29:04.060 Like, I don't know.

01:29:05.100 Yeah.

01:29:05.640 I think they're not like the left wing, you know, like, you know, uh, you know, fedora wearing

01:29:12.880 Reddit posting tip, you read it.

01:29:15.440 If I ever need a source of rage, I briefly scroll Reddit.

01:29:19.800 There are not many places on earth that I can go that will get a hundred thousand percent 0.93

01:29:24.460 of every single subject blatantly fucking wrong. 0.87

01:29:27.300 But Reddit is one and it is, I, I, I'm careful about media. 0.78

01:29:32.140 I use telegram.

01:29:33.120 Um, that is, yeah, I mean, I may, I may occasionally, uh, try to do some networking on TikTok because

01:29:41.040 you would communicate with the audience, you know, find, find the youth, find, find the

01:29:44.800 way to make your propaganda reach your nation.

01:29:46.980 And sometimes that's through modern apps, but I don't do when I got banned off of a lot

01:29:51.880 of stuff years ago.

01:29:54.060 I got banned off of Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Uber, Bumble, uh, you know, like I can't think

01:30:01.220 of almost any random fucking, you know, it was system wide.

01:30:04.620 So I moved almost entirely to telegram years and years and years ago. 0.75

01:30:07.340 And even then I'm picky with it.

01:30:08.840 I won't, I won't have all these channels that are like, um, useless.

01:30:12.580 I mean, a few memes every now and then is really good, but maybe some fight videos, but

01:30:15.660 a lot of it is like uplifting stuff, you know, and it has to do with archeology that

01:30:18.940 I find fascinating, it's, it's networking, it's activism, it's opportunity, it's

01:30:22.380 connection and things like that.

01:30:24.220 So, uh, it's stuff like stuff, like Reddit for me is like, if I go there, I can almost

01:30:27.980 feel the cloying gayness, you know, like even just like through the phone screen. 0.99

01:30:34.100 The only time I do venture over to Reddit is whenever somebody sends me a link to

01:30:38.560 something relevant to us, or sometimes I'll go searching on there after we've done

01:30:43.600 something, because usually that's where the first freak out is.

01:30:46.580 So it's, it's always like the first laugh that you get after you've done any kind of

01:30:51.820 demonstration or whatever.

01:30:52.900 So it's good for that.

01:30:54.700 Um, that's true.

01:30:56.700 Well, yeah, like what you described, uh, in your last, uh, little monologue, there is

01:31:01.320 something that I have kind of discovered recently, which is that, uh, like I, I was, I think I've

01:31:08.080 lost two or three accounts on YouTube.

01:31:09.880 I've lost like, and this is like, I'm, I'm not, you know, uh, rattling the sympathy can

01:31:14.520 here.

01:31:14.740 Like, Oh, feel bad for me.

01:31:15.840 I don't like, it doesn't matter obviously.

01:31:17.560 And a lot of people have lost a lot more, but YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, um, Twitter

01:31:25.700 now, um, Tinder.

01:31:29.420 I got kicked off Tinder during the convoy in 2022.

01:31:33.180 Cause I was being on it.

01:31:37.740 Um, Tik TOK, whatever.

01:31:39.140 Right.

01:31:39.760 Yeah.

01:31:39.980 The only things I have now are telegram and I have a lurker, you know, burner Twitter.

01:31:46.960 Yeah.

01:31:48.020 Losing all that stuff was a blessing in disguise.

01:31:50.760 Yeah.

01:31:51.540 Oh yeah.

01:31:52.000 I, like I lost my large Twitter account in September of 2025 and I've been infinitely

01:31:59.080 more productive since that time.

01:32:01.100 I get way more, I get way more done.

01:32:04.580 And I learned to tune out like the D there's this day to day, week over week media cycle

01:32:10.420 that governs the discussion among nationalists, but it only exists in this eat this digital

01:32:17.060 ether.

01:32:17.620 It's not real.

01:32:18.520 It's like the, it's just this, you know, essence that flows day to day.

01:32:23.460 Sometimes there's important aspects of it, but tangibly the effects it has on what's actually

01:32:30.200 happening in the real world with real organizations, it doesn't do anything.

01:32:34.200 It's like a good example of this would be something like right now, if I go on Twitter, uh, and

01:32:38.720 I start, you know, going through a, a, you know, nationalist algorithm or whatever, I'm

01:32:44.100 going to see endless stuff about Israel, Iran, you know, America, like, like, I'm just

01:32:48.400 going to see a lot of stuff.

01:32:49.800 And it's not to say that it's not important, but it's also like, Hey guys, what, what tangible

01:32:54.140 difference does talking about this stuff actually make?

01:32:57.580 Because people will say like, Oh, well, they're going to send us to war.

01:33:01.180 And it's like, well, how are we going to stop that if we don't organize?

01:33:04.860 Oh, we're going to get a whole bunch of Muslim refugees again. 1.00

01:33:08.080 Well, how are we going to stop that?

01:33:09.440 If we don't organize, they're going to send another 40 bajillion dollars to Israel.

01:33:14.440 How are we going to stop that?

01:33:15.660 If we don't organize, like talk about the problems it's organized so that we can stop

01:33:21.600 the problem happening in the first place.

01:33:23.840 So like, I only really grasp that after I was forced, you know, to not be engaged in

01:33:31.480 that day over day.

01:33:32.520 And now I, like, I really see that I log onto this stuff and I'm able to be like irrelevant

01:33:37.500 doesn't actually change anything like interesting, but not actually something that is going to

01:33:43.520 affect the situation.

01:33:45.040 And it hones your mind to look for the stuff like this is actually important, like to us,

01:33:50.320 like to organizing and like locally.

01:33:52.400 Yeah.

01:33:52.620 Something we can do something about it.

01:33:53.980 Or, I mean, I, and I may monitor geopolitics for a handful of reasons, but there's definitely

01:33:58.940 a difference.

01:33:59.500 I mean, you, you got a team that might be dealing with Intel and that's a separate thing

01:34:03.900 too, but for just the average consumption and repetition of these things, there's very

01:34:09.420 little need to feed into it.

01:34:10.800 And most of your work for most men and part of any organization, a lot of it's local, a

01:34:16.280 lot of it's activism and it's very, you can, you can be doing it, you know, and it does

01:34:19.520 help.

01:34:20.000 So, yeah.

01:34:20.640 Yeah.

01:34:20.780 I think you're exactly right.

01:34:22.920 Yeah.

01:34:23.360 Like, I know that I'm right because I can look back at what I was doing then and realize

01:34:29.100 like I was doing a whole, but it feels like you're productive.

01:34:32.240 That's the real trap of it.

01:34:34.160 It's like, you're, you're gaining attention.

01:34:35.900 Like you're, you're getting your message out there and it's getting attention.

01:34:39.620 Yeah.

01:34:40.420 I always like, I'm sure you've heard this as well.

01:34:43.320 People love to talk about generating awareness or spreading knowledge and information so that

01:34:49.460 more people understand what's going on.

01:34:51.760 And, and I, like, I used to like say this, that we need to wake people up.

01:34:56.280 Right.

01:34:56.540 You hear that kind of sentiment.

01:34:58.000 And now it was like, like, it doesn't matter how many people you wake up.

01:35:01.340 If you don't give them a vehicle that they're not organizing and it really doesn't matter.

01:35:05.520 Yeah.

01:35:05.620 I've seen that a lot.

01:35:06.460 And guys do fall into that trap where it's like an anonymous account on telegram and some 0.99

01:35:09.720 giant chat, just shit posting eternally. 0.95

01:35:12.540 And they're like, no, I'm raising awareness. 0.99

01:35:13.760 It's like buddy, or they'll, they'll put like one sticker up on a light pole.

01:35:17.040 And I'm like, that's the beginning that's better than that, but like, that's, uh, and

01:35:22.620 I, I huge fan of stickering by the way, but you've got to progress, you know, join a serious

01:35:29.120 group and report for duty.

01:35:31.560 And that is how it's done.

01:35:33.140 You know, it's, you've got to, you've got to kind of organ organization.

01:35:37.540 I love that word.

01:35:38.360 I love, I love making nationalism, a real and professional thing that extends beyond just

01:35:45.240 a hobby.

01:35:45.880 It extends beyond just a, um, sort of reactionary phase or anything like that.

01:35:50.560 You know, like it is a life path that extends beyond our own lives.

01:35:53.560 It goes into the lives of your children, grandchildren, the nation on earth that has long histories.

01:35:59.560 I mean, there's, there's so much to accomplish and it's a beautiful thing.

01:36:02.560 It's not, it can be overwhelming to some people if they're going to the black pill thing, but

01:36:05.600 it's like, man, it's, it's the best possible thing you could get involved with.

01:36:10.800 And to my knowledge, almost every white country has at least one solid group.

01:36:16.540 I don't know of almost anywhere.

01:36:17.560 A white man could be anywhere near his own kind that he doesn't have a national, you know,

01:36:24.740 group to support, to get involved with.

01:36:28.260 I mean, like I've heard this before too.

01:36:33.600 It was like, oh, there's nothing in my country.

01:36:35.840 I'll just ask them like, well, where do you live?

01:36:37.560 And they'll say, I don't know.

01:36:39.920 Or the UK or Scotland.

01:36:42.440 I'm like, I can name, like, how come I can name like four or five immediately that exist

01:36:47.740 of different, you know, flavors, varieties or whatever.

01:36:50.040 And you don't know about them.

01:36:51.200 You just, you haven't even looked like you haven't done the basic, you know, research

01:36:54.660 to look for these things, but even if none of those, you know, agree with your, you know,

01:37:01.700 personal sensibilities or whatever, you know, you can just start your own thing, right?

01:37:06.520 Well, I mean, they can, but I think that's another interesting point too.

01:37:09.480 So when I started getting involved with Patriot Pride, I was not super patriotic really.

01:37:16.820 I mean, I knew about American history, but I was a little bit more on the side of,

01:37:22.340 before I totally realized some things, I was pretty tribal.

01:37:25.740 I was, I was very, and I'm German and Scottish.

01:37:27.920 I still have family.

01:37:28.820 I've been to Europe.

01:37:29.640 I still have family over there now and everything.

01:37:31.020 I'm very proud to be American.

01:37:32.520 I'm 100% full red blooded American, but that took time to fully bloom into a deep understanding

01:37:39.580 of exactly my identity.

01:37:41.500 And it was because I joined an organization.

01:37:44.720 I didn't stop and think like, okay, let me pick this thing, this manifesto apart and

01:37:48.120 figure out if I like it or not.

01:37:49.380 I just said, you know what?

01:37:50.280 How about I just shut up and work?

01:37:52.500 And then we move on.

01:37:54.220 And then I feel like, whoa, look at this gold.

01:37:56.980 Now it lifted me up and it, I assimilated in the most positive sense of the word.

01:38:01.900 And it brought me a life.

01:38:02.820 It brought me, you know, social standing and opportunity to serve and make a difference.

01:38:07.220 And that is such an important lesson that I try to tell guys.

01:38:10.760 I'm like, just get involved.

01:38:11.880 We can all find hyper-specific things to agree or disagree over, but man, it's the work that

01:38:16.860 sets you free.

01:38:17.620 You have to, you have to move into it.

01:38:20.200 Oh, I absolutely agree.

01:38:22.580 And you know, what I was getting at there is a lot of these people, when they say like,

01:38:26.360 ah, I'm not really interested in this.

01:38:27.940 Well, they're not interested in actually working, which is why they're not going to start the,

01:38:32.140 like, that's the, they're not going to start.

01:38:34.160 They're not even going to do it.

01:38:35.060 But like a hundred percent, like, um, just get involved with something.

01:38:41.100 And like, we get this all the time, um, you know, the suggestion crowd or whatever, or

01:38:46.480 the, you guys did this, or you did this, this way, or you stopped doing that, you know, that

01:38:55.180 way, then I would get involved and it's like, okay, well, if you want to have counsel or

01:39:00.400 you want your counsel to be taking into consideration for what we're doing in the organization, prove

01:39:06.820 your worth, work your way up it to the point where we aren't going to, you know, you aren't

01:39:12.020 going to solicit your counsel to us.

01:39:13.820 We're going to come to you and ask you for it because it's proven that you're so valuable.

01:39:18.540 Um, and that your, your opinions are worth listening to.

01:39:22.680 Yeah.

01:39:23.280 I don't know.

01:39:23.820 Like, I feel like this is the, uh, I don't know when maybe this, uh, expression came about

01:39:30.380 somebody maybe get me a, a Google, you know, uh, what's it called chronological use graph

01:39:37.140 on the expression.

01:39:38.820 Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

01:39:40.540 I like, I, I wonder where, yeah, yeah.

01:39:46.620 And it's always like the money will be like sitting in some, it'll be like some chat and

01:39:49.720 it'll be like, you know, an account is like, well, if you guys did this, this or that, then

01:39:53.300 I would get involved or you should do this.

01:39:55.060 Cause it's a good idea.

01:39:55.720 And that's like, thank you.

01:39:57.180 Um, anime picture flying Eagle walking Holocaust 5,000.

01:40:01.780 That's, that's wonderful that that's your opinion.

01:40:03.500 And you know, that you're ready to present that opinion to me on an anonymous profile on a

01:40:07.380 random large chat, but it's, it's like, what do you like?

01:40:10.380 It's always the guy, they join the org, they earn it, they become valuable.

01:40:14.800 And oftentimes they find it changes themselves and it changes their concept of ideas, but

01:40:19.840 it's, um, yeah.

01:40:21.340 I mean, for the guys that do want to make a difference, like you're saying, it can be

01:40:24.340 done.

01:40:24.620 If you get involved, you can put your effort into something larger than yourself.

01:40:29.980 And you may find that through that you are made more powerful and your ideas may even

01:40:36.140 become actionable.

01:40:37.020 If you take on duty and work and earn trust, you know, if you have an idea for activism

01:40:42.620 or something, you know, like that, that needs to happen in your local town, but maybe you're

01:40:46.460 alone and you haven't figured it all out yet.

01:40:48.220 Well, when you join a larger group or you get organized anywhere on down the line, that's

01:40:52.780 what happens.

01:40:53.320 I've seen it happen a lot in Patriot front where guys have ideas and the ones that are successful,

01:40:57.680 they join, they put in hard work for a couple of years and they're well invested.

01:41:01.560 The network's growing, you know, and they say, well, here's my hometown and I want to,

01:41:04.780 I want to protest against this gay bar or something. 1.00

01:41:08.460 Right. 0.55

01:41:09.140 And then we put something together that's professional and well thought out and, you know, buttoned

01:41:13.060 up.

01:41:13.340 It's not going to get everybody locked up or whatever it may be.

01:41:15.640 Although we do, you know, we accept certain risks, but that happens.

01:41:19.400 And I can, I can think of a couple off the top of my head that we actually like closed down

01:41:22.640 a bar or like some gay bar, whatever, because of that street action that became

01:41:27.480 possible over time.

01:41:30.500 Yeah, absolutely.

01:41:31.900 And this is, again, I don't know if it's like maybe I'm 36, like, I don't know what it was

01:41:39.000 like in previous generations, but I feel like a lot of people think that their input is relevant

01:41:44.380 in places where it's just not.

01:41:46.780 And like, I don't know, I value self-awareness.

01:41:50.220 I value it in a lot of different contexts as in like being aware of your surroundings and

01:41:55.040 like not standing in the middle of a busy, you know, path or, you know, holding a door

01:42:00.140 for someone or seeing that someone's struggling with something and like, you know, being just

01:42:04.760 conscious of what's going on around you and not absorbed in your own little world.

01:42:07.960 Right.

01:42:08.360 But I also value it in the context of, you know, being self-aware of like where you should

01:42:14.200 and should not, you know, offer your input to things.

01:42:16.680 And so like, I don't know, the example I would use is if a contractor, a plumber, an electrician,

01:42:22.980 you know, a carpenter are standing on a job site having a discussion about the project,

01:42:28.040 like they're they're conversing amongst equals, like all of their opinions are relevant because

01:42:33.580 you know, that they're they have the adequate knowledge to have input in the conversation.

01:42:39.560 Imagine a hairdresser walks into that situation and starts telling them like, oh, this is how

01:42:43.740 it should be done.

01:42:44.740 Right.

01:42:45.600 Like, like, like, you know, wrong bar, like you don't belong here.

01:42:51.900 And so you get this all the time.

01:42:53.800 And it's the other thing that you were getting into there as well with that is every time

01:43:00.660 someone comes to me with a suggestion or an idea, and it's just that, yeah, they'll be

01:43:08.200 like, oh, we should do this or that.

01:43:10.060 We should do a propaganda poster of this.

01:43:12.060 We should do a video edit of that.

01:43:13.520 We should make something about, you know, whatever.

01:43:16.040 Yeah.

01:43:16.820 They never come like those guys never come with the material.

01:43:19.240 And then every time they the opposite is some guy just sends me something.

01:43:24.280 He's like, I made this propaganda poster.

01:43:26.380 You can use it if you want.

01:43:27.660 And I'm like, this is awesome.

01:43:29.320 Yeah.

01:43:29.600 Now it's something.

01:43:30.680 Oh, man, I can hear the media team in my ear right now or PF media team.

01:43:34.340 And Mason will say some of the same stuff like, oh, man, so many great ideas, like join

01:43:37.980 the media team work.

01:43:40.440 Do it.

01:43:40.920 Like, what do you, like, if you come to me with the idea, like, what do you want me to,

01:43:45.340 you want me to put this work on someone else's plate?

01:43:48.000 Like, what do you want me to do?

01:43:51.280 Like, it's so the, obviously the opposite is just like you do the work and then you hope

01:43:57.060 that it gets used or that you demonstrate skills so that in the future, somebody is going

01:44:01.260 to come back to you and be like, oh, like, we should ask this guy if he'll do it.

01:44:04.100 Cause he could, he could do it.

01:44:05.920 Yeah.

01:44:06.120 He has technical skills to do it.

01:44:08.180 So, um, yeah, that just, uh, I mean, this is the, I deal with more and more of this now.

01:44:14.820 And it's, um, I don't know how Thomas does it.

01:44:18.900 He's been doing this for a long time.

01:44:21.000 He's, he's, um, he's a unique and powerful individual, but yeah, I've seen him display

01:44:27.340 levels of patience that boggle my mind.

01:44:31.980 I, I just don't even, I don't even know all the stuff that he deals with.

01:44:35.040 I don't make a fraction of it, you know?

01:44:37.160 Um, and it's like the, the, I, this is also why I, in some regards am very, you know, like

01:44:44.960 there's a balance of desiring a leadership position because a man really wants to, you

01:44:51.220 know, he wants to get, he wants to get honor and glory and he wants to, he wants to lead.

01:44:54.680 That can be a very good impulse, but you don't want guys who just want it.

01:44:57.660 Cause they think it's a cakewalk and you get clout.

01:44:59.480 That's leadership has to, it is so hard to, to fill some of those positions and get it

01:45:08.320 right.

01:45:08.620 It is a weight, you know, it is a, it is a challenge.

01:45:12.080 It is, um, golly, some of the stuff that has to be dealt with is, is it's, it's really

01:45:18.600 far up there on the list.

01:45:20.360 Thomas is the individual, um, you know, among various nationalist leaders that I think has

01:45:28.860 the most number of characteristics that are required to actually go the distance.

01:45:36.500 There's other great guys.

01:45:37.860 And like, you know, I've said this before in terms of like attributes and characteristics,

01:45:42.360 temperament, like all, all of the things that Thomas brings from what I've seen, like he's

01:45:46.760 got a lot of the components to be the guy that can make something real happen.

01:45:52.040 Like if he just stays the course, keeps developing, you know, advances, uh, doesn't mean that like,

01:45:58.480 I I've said this before, not like my, my personal favorite is Sewell because I like, I just,

01:46:04.940 you know, he has the person, like I was a big part of me figuring out what was gone.

01:46:10.220 It was, it was actually Thomas Sewell and, uh, Marcus Foll and the golden one of Sweden.

01:46:14.780 Those were my first two sources of actual nationalist information almost 10 years ago.

01:46:21.260 And it was some of their earlier material that got me started on a lot of this.

01:46:25.840 And then it was operation werewolf.

01:46:27.080 And then it was, it was, um, Patriot front.

01:46:29.240 And some of these are not identical to each other, but you know, a large degree of, of overlap.

01:46:34.700 And it was, yeah, Sewell's way up there just in terms of like inspiration, it's kind of

01:46:41.020 hard to pick favorite nationalists these days because we have some really great ones.

01:46:44.300 But what I mean, when I say that though, is in terms of like, uh, the, the temperament

01:46:51.920 and the, uh, the deportment, right.

01:46:56.660 The way you carry yourself, Russo has, he's got it.

01:47:00.900 Like he, I think, uh, uh, with him the last time I spoke with him about how, unlike most

01:47:06.600 guys, he never code switches.

01:47:08.320 Do you know what I mean?

01:47:09.280 When I write, he never does that.

01:47:11.960 Um, whether he's talking with someone like me or Patrick bet David, he doesn't change.

01:47:16.740 Like it's not about like, it's not like their, um, optics cucking or they're, you know, being

01:47:23.480 sneaky.

01:47:24.260 Like I speak differently when I'm talking to my buddy on a live stream than I do whenever

01:47:29.020 I'm talking to somebody who's interviewing me from different circles.

01:47:31.720 And it's because like, we're, we're having a conversation amongst, you know, buddies.

01:47:35.680 And so like, I'll curse more.

01:47:37.380 I'll, um, be more colorful with language.

01:47:40.300 I'll just, you know, more guy talk.

01:47:42.540 And then if I'm doing an interview, I'm going to be more professional.

01:47:45.700 Thomas never does that.

01:47:46.820 It's always like pretty down the line.

01:47:49.900 And like, that's, that's like one of those characteristics that I'm talking about is

01:47:52.960 like, he just has this constant steady.

01:47:55.340 And like, I, I don't know, again, I think that's just who he is from what I think he

01:47:59.520 built a core of, he, he, he was, he became educated and passionate when he was very young.

01:48:05.520 He's still young.

01:48:06.580 Um, when he became, when he was very young, he, he built an authentic core of American

01:48:10.680 nationalism in himself and embodied it.

01:48:13.940 And he's never stopped because that is who he is.

01:48:16.880 Yeah.

01:48:17.460 It's, I think another thing that makes him very powerful in terms of like future potential

01:48:21.940 for things he wants to accomplish is he learns and improves as he keeps going.

01:48:26.720 He's very capable of doing that.

01:48:28.580 And when you start that young, by the time you get into your, your thirties, I mean, there's

01:48:32.720 a reason that older dudes who've already like been in the military follow Thomas's orders.

01:48:37.460 I followed, I don't care what they, I follow his work.

01:48:39.480 It's because there's something very, um, distinct and genuine.

01:48:43.760 I think, like you said, where you realize, okay, this is consistent.

01:48:46.760 It is one picture that is pure and it is, it is what it says it is.

01:48:53.200 He does what he says he will do.

01:48:55.320 You just mentioned another thing too, that's huge, which is like, you know, many people,

01:49:00.560 uh, most of the chat at this point is probably aware, but Patriot Fund is, what is it?

01:49:04.880 Eight years old now or seven years old?

01:49:07.300 Yeah.

01:49:07.580 A little, little, I mean, well, some of this stuff began kind of, kind of more like 10,

01:49:10.400 but I'd say, yeah, it's about that image.

01:49:12.080 And then I think it probably really picked up and started to shape the way that it's

01:49:17.920 become now, which is very strong.

01:49:21.300 Four years ago, it may depend a little bit on the network, but I'd say about four years

01:49:25.060 ago, shortly after I joined, even I noticed like, wow, this is starting to get extremely

01:49:29.780 professional.

01:49:30.640 I'm like, this is actually like, we can do this.

01:49:33.520 And I, you know, everybody has different opinions on how things will play out.

01:49:36.000 I think eight to 12 more years, we will be in control of the nation is my, is the dream

01:49:41.800 that I'm pursuing maybe longer, maybe shorter.

01:49:44.300 I'm here to work no matter what.

01:49:46.200 But, um, yeah, I would say along that timeline.

01:49:50.440 Yeah.

01:49:50.920 And the interesting, the reason I bring up the timeframe though, is there's a level of

01:49:57.920 discipline there that I often don't think is appreciated about him, which is that if

01:50:02.440 he wanted to, he could have, um, done the podcast thing, he could have been going on show after

01:50:11.300 show and associating with other influencers and whatnot, and trying to, you know, ladder

01:50:16.800 climb and do this kind of thing through social media.

01:50:18.940 And that's not how he's built, you know, Patriot front.

01:50:22.120 He's done it by doing it the consistent, slow way.

01:50:26.700 And so like, that is a level of discipline that I don't think really gets appreciated

01:50:30.140 about him and Patriot front.

01:50:32.560 Um, and like, look, I'm not saying that doing it the other way is necessarily bad.

01:50:35.900 We, we did it that like we're pot.

01:50:37.720 I was a podcaster and an activist before I started a club.

01:50:41.860 Jeremy was a, I mean, he was military and then podcaster and then eventually, you know,

01:50:46.580 president of, of our club.

01:50:47.960 So like, it's not to say that one's bad, but you can see that.

01:50:52.380 I think that that has a huge, you know, influence on having the correct, um, culture within the

01:51:01.740 organization that you see out of Patriot front that you don't see out of as many, you know,

01:51:08.340 influencer, you know, based audience organization type things.

01:51:14.340 So I agree.

01:51:15.620 I agree.

01:51:15.940 You have a slow and the steady, the, the, the knowledge of, um, you're here for a long

01:51:20.320 time, whether it's a good time or not and building trust, real, real trust, you know,

01:51:25.640 and I do agree.

01:51:26.600 I think that there's certainly use for media production and climbing ladders and podcasting.

01:51:31.100 There are benefits and why not do all of it, but I do like his, uh, you could even call

01:51:37.420 it stubborn in a positive sense, um, building authenticity at a very bare bones level.

01:51:43.720 And, uh, he's maintained, I've, I've, I mean, there's so many times I've seen he had opportunities

01:51:49.760 to probably pursue something in a way or, or manage resources of the organization that

01:51:56.220 would have just like lined his pockets.

01:51:57.720 And I'm sure I wouldn't blame him.

01:51:59.040 You know, there, there's times where that's, I want leaders to be wealthy and all this stuff,

01:52:02.160 but he consistently and only chooses to pour everything into that same original, authentic

01:52:10.500 plan.

01:52:11.220 And, and his personality, which is of service to the nation.

01:52:15.340 Um, I think he probably, it reminds me of some of the things I've read about, like George

01:52:19.540 Washington, where he was very adamant against being, you know, considered a King that was

01:52:24.840 trying to get a crown for merit, um, whether or not some people thought he should have taken

01:52:28.980 the crown, which is a whole nother cool concept, but it's that type of persona that I think has

01:52:35.320 made a big, it definitely inspired me to, to try to improve some things in my own behavior

01:52:40.680 and personality over time.

01:52:42.000 And I'm glad that it did.

01:52:44.160 Yeah.

01:52:44.920 Um, and I mean, we've, uh, look, I don't want to, this isn't the glaze Russo show.

01:52:50.840 I think we've, I think we've given him enough.

01:52:53.760 I think I do that enough whenever I talk to him.

01:52:56.040 So, uh, but I like, obviously, you know, like he's, he's somebody that's very well respected

01:53:03.080 internationally because of all of these qualities that we've been talking about.

01:53:05.800 But the one thing that I think was interesting that you mentioned a little bit before was that

01:53:09.660 I often get this thing where, um, like, look, I understand.

01:53:16.160 I don't want this.

01:53:17.840 Um, I don't want to be the guy.

01:53:19.740 I don't, I don't genuinely want to be doing this.

01:53:22.640 Right.

01:53:22.860 I, earlier in the, the, the podcast, I said, you know, I'd like to eventually, I want to

01:53:28.180 win so I can huck my phone in a lake and go breed German shepherds and Belgian shepherds

01:53:32.420 or whatever.

01:53:33.320 Right.

01:53:33.700 I don't want to do this.

01:53:34.920 I don't want to be the, the politician or the bureaucrat.

01:53:38.700 Like, I don't want to do that.

01:53:40.160 Um, and people often say like, well, that's why you should like, that's what it like makes

01:53:44.640 a real leader.

01:53:45.760 I disagree.

01:53:46.800 I think that to be a truly great leader, you actually do have to want it.

01:53:51.100 You do have to want legacy.

01:53:52.620 You do have to have that ambition to like, I want to do something great.

01:53:56.280 Um, now it has to be controlled and tempered and it can't be ego driven.

01:54:01.140 Exactly.

01:54:02.020 I think it's nonsense when people say that, oh, well the, the best leaders are the ones

01:54:06.520 who don't want it.

01:54:07.660 Yeah, I agree.

01:54:08.780 That is an overplay.

01:54:09.520 It's kind of the, the over worship of like stoicism and, and the total ego death.

01:54:13.920 When I think mankind is, we, we have harmony and harmony doesn't even always mean balance,

01:54:18.640 but it means like you, a drive and a passion to do something and the, and the willingness

01:54:23.080 and humility to improve, you know, like, and we talk about like, like glazing, you know,

01:54:28.360 Mr. Rousseau and everything he's made mistakes before, like any other human, I'll tell you

01:54:31.960 right now we're all human, but it's the ability to, to take a really good look at failures

01:54:38.320 and improve things and get back up and keep working.

01:54:42.120 And like you said, to desire within the scope of reality, understanding, okay, I've got a

01:54:47.760 skillset here.

01:54:48.820 If I keep pursuing this, if I believe in this, I can fill this position and I do want to make

01:54:52.580 a difference.

01:54:53.200 And like you said, too, there's always a part of people.

01:54:56.160 I'm sure there's a part of Thomas that wishes he could just have that ranch in Texas and

01:55:00.760 not deal with as much strife as we do today.

01:55:04.700 But this world is about sacrifice.

01:55:07.140 We got to do something.

01:55:08.220 We've got to do something.

01:55:09.940 Well, there was, there was, again, this is one thing that he said on the last podcast and

01:55:13.620 I didn't get into it with him, but I can't remember exactly what he said, but he, it was

01:55:17.940 something along the lines of, I hope the legacy of history will look upon me more favorably

01:55:23.500 than I am, you know, in contemporary media or something like, there's something to that

01:55:28.400 effect.

01:55:28.940 I was like, well, they're like, this is an interesting thing.

01:55:32.020 Uh, because even if maybe that was a subconscious thing and he, or maybe I'm reading into it

01:55:37.300 more, but you can tell he, he is kind of thinking of like, what is my legacy going to be, which

01:55:41.860 is like, I would expect that of somebody who wants, you know, to, to be the guy like, anyways,

01:55:46.640 I think he, he could be is the point.

01:55:48.480 And yeah, people are pushing in the chat.

01:55:50.760 They're pushing back on me about, uh, you know, great leaders, not want to leave like pick

01:55:55.860 one guys, Alexander, great Julius Caesar, Napoleon, any, any of their whole heart.

01:56:01.420 Yeah.

01:56:03.640 Like they were, you can find examples of the other, like Cincinnati's and stuff like that.

01:56:07.580 But yeah, I think when people are driven to like pick something, cause they think it sounds

01:56:11.200 cool or it's like the fad of the time to make statements, same thing.

01:56:13.720 I've talked about stoicism.

01:56:15.060 They, they get over into it.

01:56:16.460 It's about harmony.

01:56:17.240 There are different types of leadership, but there is a drive in the European race and in

01:56:22.820 the legacy we care as Americans, as Canadians, like there is a desire from a lot of our founders

01:56:27.540 to do it, to seize it, to go forward and not just be like, ah, you know, I, I'm not the

01:56:34.780 guy who's going to be leader.

01:56:35.820 And it's all that same pattern.

01:56:37.460 Yeah.

01:56:37.960 And it's just people probably have a misunderstanding on, on maybe what they understand about ego

01:56:43.000 and stuff like that, where there's, there's nuance, but it's not just a, you know.

01:56:47.200 Well, it like the, I think, uh, ego often gets like, obviously there's a reason why it has

01:56:53.500 negative connotations too, but as in order to be in these positions, like you've got

01:56:58.360 to have a bit of an ego, like you, you do, like, I don't understand how you could not

01:57:03.120 like, you've got to want, uh, maybe, you know, it's difficult for people to understand.

01:57:08.480 Like the truth is the moment they're put in any kind of spotlight or the attention, you

01:57:14.420 know, turns to them, they realize very quickly that they don't want it.

01:57:19.300 Yeah.

01:57:19.960 Yeah.

01:57:20.640 Um, but I think another thing that you said that I think is interesting is, so I said, uh,

01:57:26.000 quite recently to one of my friends, uh, basically what I just said about, you know, the great

01:57:30.640 men and like, just, you know, look at the examples and he fired back immediately with

01:57:35.120 Cincinnati's too.

01:57:36.000 So I think that's interesting that you both use that example and, uh, you know, not, not

01:57:40.520 to be a history dork, but, um, the reason why I think that's a funny example is, and

01:57:46.340 nobody really remembers, like they don't, like most people, they know Julius Caesar, they

01:57:51.520 know, they don't know, is appreciated by people who appreciate that quality.

01:58:01.280 Like they're the people who look for those kinds of figures in history.

01:58:04.600 So that's a good point actually.

01:58:06.580 Yeah.

01:58:08.680 It's true.

01:58:09.560 Like, yeah, a great leader, great figure, but there's a reason why most people have no

01:58:14.220 idea who he is.

01:58:15.060 Um, so anyways, uh, maybe, uh, we're about to hit the two hour mark there.

01:58:21.020 So, uh, are you good to take a quick break there?

01:58:24.240 I think that, you know, glazing Thomas and ending on that note is probably a good place

01:58:29.260 to just, uh, take a quick break and then come back and do some, uh, I don't know what

01:58:34.540 I saw in the super chats, but, uh, I'm not sure what we're going to get into there.

01:58:38.660 Okay.

01:58:39.560 We'll do it because they paid for it.

01:58:42.760 All right.

01:58:43.360 I'm down.

01:58:43.840 Yeah.

01:58:44.460 All right.

01:58:44.820 Well, uh, I'll play a couple of songs there and just, uh, put that, uh, that, uh, loop video

01:58:49.960 back, that looped video back on and, uh, we'll be right back guys.

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01:59:38.600 front of southern democrat they ought to get a rich man to vote like that sing it song song of

01:59:45.340 the south sweet potato pie and shut my mouth gone gone with the wind there ain't nobody looking back

01:59:54.200 again

01:59:55.000 somebody told us wall street bell but we were so poor that we couldn't tell cotton was short and the

02:00:17.600 weeds were tall but mr roosevelt they're gonna save us all well mama got sick and daddy got down

02:00:27.700 the county got the farm and they moved to town papa got a job with a tva he bought a washing machine

02:00:34.780 and then a chevrolet sing it song song of the south sweet potato pie and shut my mouth 0.55

02:00:45.680 gone gone with the wind there ain't nobody looking back again

02:00:52.680 singing song song of the south sweet potato pie and shut my mouth

02:01:14.140 gone gone with the wind there ain't nobody looking back again song song of the south

02:01:22.820 gone gone with the wind

02:01:28.680 song song of the south sweet potato pie and shut my mouth

02:01:37.360 song song song of the south sweet potato pie and shut my mouth 0.62

02:01:48.680 going

02:01:49.000 song song of the south sweet potato pie and shut my mouth

02:01:49.640 gone gone with the wind there ain't nobody looking back again

02:01:55.040 song song of the south sweet potato pie and shut my mouth

02:02:00.560 Rolling down the backwoods, Tennessee byways.

02:02:27.240 With one arm on the wheel, holding my lover with the other.

02:02:39.260 A sweet, soft, southern thrill.

02:02:43.980 I worked hard all week, got a little jingle.

02:02:49.240 On a Tennessee Saturday night, no, I couldn't feel better.

02:02:57.240 Cause I'm together with my Dixieland delight.

02:03:05.260 It's been my daughter parked in a hall underneath the mountain moonlight.

02:03:11.540 I hold her up tight, make a little lovin', a little turtle dovin'. 0.99

02:03:19.360 I hold her up tight, make some dicks at night. 0.99

02:03:23.500 It's my life, oh, it's all right. 0.99

02:03:27.620 My Dixieland delight.

02:03:32.620 White-tailed buck deer, munchin' on clover.

02:03:47.280 White-tailed buck deer, munchin' on clover.

02:04:00.440 Red-tailed hawk, sittin' on a limb.

02:04:05.760 Chubby old ground hawk, croakin' bullfrog.

02:04:10.080 Just as free as a feelin' in the wind.

02:04:15.900 A homegrown country girl, gonna give me a whirl. 1.00

02:04:21.540 On a Tennessee Saturday night.

02:04:25.540 I'm lucky as a seven, livin' in heaven.

02:04:31.860 With my Dixieland delight.

02:04:37.340 Spend my dollar parked in a hall underneath the mountain moonlight.

02:04:43.880 I hold her up tight, make a little lovin', a little turtle dovin'.

02:04:52.200 On a Mason-Dixon night.

02:04:55.380 Honey, it's my life, oh, it's all right.

02:05:01.400 My Dixieland delight.

02:05:04.980 My Dixieland delight.

02:05:34.960 Spend my dollar parked in a hall underneath the mountain moonlight.

02:05:43.920 Hold her up tight, make a little lovin', a little turtle dovin' on a Mason-Dixon night.

02:05:50.580 It's my life, oh, it's all right.

02:05:54.420 My Dixieland delight.

02:05:56.540 Oh, it's my life, oh, it's all right.

02:06:05.500 Oh, it's my life, oh, it's all right.

02:06:11.320 Oh, it's my life, oh, it's all right.

02:06:14.460 One arm on the wheel, one of my lover, with the other, a sweet, soft, southern thrill.

02:06:23.380 I've been tired all week, got a little jingle, on a Tennessee Saturday night.

02:06:29.280 I can feel better, I'm together with my Dixieland Glide.

02:06:44.460 It's my life, oh so right, it's my life, oh so right, it's my Dixieland delight.

02:07:04.020 Alright, I forgot how long that second song went on for, but I ain't mad about it.

02:07:08.820 So, Norman's laughing, I don't know, what sort of, I didn't even ask you what your musical

02:07:16.320 preferences are, but.

02:07:18.280 Black metal.

02:07:19.660 Okay.

02:07:20.740 Yeah, like black metal, I do love old country, I love Americana, anything dark Americana, especially

02:07:26.620 live music like that, like with a good square dance or line dance, I love that, love that.

02:07:30.920 I do also love classical and symphonic, like in a very older, like kind of an older European,

02:07:37.740 again, some of the opera as well, but, and I have some other like meditative, atmospheric

02:07:43.380 stuff that I like a lot too, but in, in general, just like a broad statement, different types

02:07:48.280 of black metal have definitely become my usual.

02:07:51.540 The, the Odinist likes black metal, I mean.

02:07:54.380 Surprise.

02:07:55.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:07:56.400 Really breaking the mold here, man.

02:07:58.400 You know, yeah, I'm glad to hear that you can appreciate like the Americana stuff or, you

02:08:06.300 know, other country folk type stuff.

02:08:07.980 This is like a test I have in the same way that people like, if, if my dog doesn't like

02:08:13.040 you or if you don't like dogs, like what, you know, that's kind of like a, I have the

02:08:18.380 same kind of thing with like folk music or traditional, uh, you know, European music.

02:08:23.060 It's if you, if you don't have to love it, but if you really hate it, like you can't just

02:08:28.740 have it on.

02:08:29.680 It's like, there's something disconnected with you from, you know, your folk song.

02:08:35.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:08:38.680 So I enjoy, um, even though obviously I'm not Christian, but I really enjoy some of

02:08:42.780 the old Catholic chat, uh, chants and Gregorian stuff.

02:08:45.860 Absolutely.

02:08:46.360 Yeah.

02:08:46.880 Connected to our culture.

02:08:47.940 I love it.

02:08:48.420 I can't deal with rap of any kind.

02:08:52.420 I understand we got some dudes in the, in the movement who do some of that in a 3.0 sense.

02:08:56.820 And if that works for them, then, you know, go on and do so.

02:08:59.560 It's not my favorite.

02:09:00.420 Um, I don't like any of the brand new country on the radio because literally all is like

02:09:06.540 beer, truck, drink.

02:09:09.020 And I mean, I love to have a few drinks too, but it music art.

02:09:13.300 So music, it needs to convey something of value or at least even instrumentals that, you know,

02:09:19.220 there's beauty.

02:09:20.260 Um, classical music probably is kind of the ultimate, I think.

02:09:23.900 Um, and a live experience is always different than, you know, when I was younger, I did death

02:09:29.120 horn rock and I liked that as well, but, um, black metal is where the, the old jaded

02:09:33.960 nationalist odeness has ended up most of the time.

02:09:36.980 See, I think it's, it's interesting too, cause you're right with, I can't stand modern country.

02:09:41.400 To me, it sounds like the country version of mumble rap.

02:09:46.040 Like, I don't know what's going on with modern country.

02:09:48.040 It just sounds like if you turn on the radio, like it just all, it's all just, it's not like

02:09:52.820 the, like country music can be enjoyable when it's depressing, but it's all depressing

02:09:57.240 in like a way that has nothing to do with it.

02:10:00.760 Yeah. 0.98

02:10:00.920 It's like gay. 1.00

02:10:01.640 It's the gay way. 1.00

02:10:02.480 No, I do like smart country.

02:10:04.040 I'm trying to think of any new artists.

02:10:06.580 Colter wall made an album a few years ago.

02:10:08.720 That was pretty good.

02:10:10.340 Chris night down the river.

02:10:13.220 Um, you've never heard of William Elliot Whitmore.

02:10:16.160 I have, but I don't know if I've actually sat with him.

02:10:20.220 Yeah.

02:10:20.620 Check him out if, if you like that type of stuff.

02:10:23.780 Yeah.

02:10:23.920 There's a, I like some stuff like that.

02:10:25.580 Tyler Childers is a more modern artist that like is more traditional in his sound and whatnot.

02:10:30.620 I really like him, but, um, I think it's interesting that you said it's all trucks and beer and,

02:10:36.180 uh, like it's kind of degenerate.

02:10:37.880 What I find really interesting about that is if you go listen to, um, like older country music,

02:10:43.860 it's a lot of the same, but it's different.

02:10:46.160 So yeah, it's like got sorrow and hardship rather than like loose, meaningless drivel.

02:10:53.200 I'm not, do you find some examples that are acceptance of the rule on either side, but

02:10:56.680 it's a different vibe.

02:10:58.800 I had to think about this for a while to like really wrap my head around it.

02:11:01.940 Cause I, like I said the same thing, you know, I heard modern country or just like, you

02:11:05.460 know, what's being played on the radio.

02:11:06.460 I was like, every song is about beer and like butts and like, like, it's just like, it's

02:11:11.440 almost a degenerate.

02:11:12.580 Right.

02:11:13.620 And that's the difference is when you go listen to the older songs, a lot of the material is

02:11:18.300 the same, but there's a wholesomeness to it.

02:11:20.720 Yeah, there is.

02:11:21.660 There's like a sweetness to it, even if it's a little bit, you know,

02:11:25.420 Yes, there's, there's like, there's real soul to it.

02:11:28.020 There was another guy, he's newer and he makes, I guess I would call it, it's more of, it's

02:11:34.120 closer to radio music, but it almost had like a, God, what's his name?

02:11:37.580 It's Paul something, Paul Couthon or something, I don't know, he's got some popular songs,

02:11:41.600 but it was, it almost sounds like Elvis sort of.

02:11:44.620 So it's kind of a retro, but I don't know that I would put that near a favorites list

02:11:48.320 cause it's still technically the radio country.

02:11:51.820 Um, but, but yeah, big difference and anything that's tied to like our roots.

02:11:55.500 I mean, I grew up in, in the country, went to hoedowns at the big neighbor's farm, you

02:12:00.020 know, and that, and that's like, you got like a live fiddle.

02:12:02.260 And if something, if you don't like that, then there's red flag.

02:12:06.080 That's like, well, it's still on right here.

02:12:08.240 Yeah.

02:12:09.280 Yeah.

02:12:09.640 Like it should, like, you should want to, uh, you know, sing and dance and do all those.

02:12:16.740 Like you should want to do those things around your folk.

02:12:18.720 Like there's a healthy, um, cathartic release.

02:12:23.020 So I feel like you have to be at least like, look, it doesn't have to be your favorite.

02:12:27.120 Listen to it all.

02:12:28.020 Gotta develop a little appreciation for.

02:12:30.580 Yeah.

02:12:30.760 The traditions of your people celebrate.

02:12:32.360 I mean, that's way different than just going to the club and dancing it out.

02:12:36.460 That's a whole different thing that I don't like, you know, maybe when I was younger, I

02:12:39.400 tried some of it, but yeah, the celebration of the traditions of your people should be

02:12:43.140 at the very least, you should respect it.

02:12:45.340 And I would think that most men in their right mind would find a sense of belonging and enjoyment

02:12:50.240 in there.

02:12:50.760 But the other, the other thing you mentioned that is, I also really don't like rap.

02:12:55.720 There's very few rap songs that I will even, you know, like passively enjoy.

02:13:00.360 And usually it's some cheesy song that, you know, is nostalgic for me.

02:13:04.280 Well, I think at least one that I did, but I do play like when it's correct.

02:13:12.360 Like when Rundo's on, I played some of the Wilter Eyes guys.

02:13:15.340 And whenever Tom was on, I played Saxon from Australia for reasons because like they're 0.96

02:13:21.680 doing something like it's an element of culture jamming in the same way that like it's a practice

02:13:27.500 that has to be undergone. 0.97

02:13:28.900 I always get so much shit in the comments after those streams of like, I don't even like it. 0.90

02:13:33.780 I'm doing it because it makes sense to play for these guys. 0.98

02:13:37.120 I have a ton of respect for Rundo.

02:13:39.300 It was really cool getting to meet him.

02:13:40.440 He's one of the most genuinely humble and kind people I've ever met and very, very skilled

02:13:45.760 boxer.

02:13:46.540 But he kind of brings a little bit of that vibe.

02:13:49.100 So around him with that type of charisma and knowing that he will literally produce a

02:13:53.440 tangibly cool result with it, it's more of a, you know, hey, I'm here, let's do this.

02:13:57.500 It's the vibe of what's happening right now.

02:13:59.600 So I like that.

02:14:00.540 But on my own, I couldn't do it.

02:14:05.100 I couldn't do it.

02:14:05.860 I was just on my own at the gym or if it's a group workout and the guys are doing this

02:14:09.920 and at least we're doing jujitsu and I can, you know, choke somebody out about it, then

02:14:12.620 then it's, it's, it's all right.

02:14:14.020 But, but on my own, you know, at the gym, if I'm lifting, it's, it's black metal.

02:14:18.240 And then if I'm doing something at home, that's more meditative or spiritual, it's going to

02:14:22.200 be something heathen or, or maybe neo-folk or classical, you know, stuff like that.

02:14:27.800 Awesome.

02:14:29.300 Yeah.

02:14:29.840 Oh, good little chat there.

02:14:31.440 But yeah, music's important.

02:14:32.560 This is, it's one thing, guys, every movement has songs associated with it.

02:14:36.940 Like, there's a reason why, like, you know, by God, we'll have our home again is so popular.

02:14:41.660 Like, that's like, that's one of them.

02:14:44.060 Love that song.

02:14:45.100 Love that.

02:14:45.400 That was the very first national songs I ever heard.

02:14:47.620 Yeah.

02:14:47.960 Every nationalist does like that song, even if it's not their flavor of, you know, preferred

02:14:52.640 music, they understand the importance of what is being conveyed in that song.

02:14:56.980 So, yeah, like, look, look at, guys, like one of the reasons, like the Irish are one of

02:15:04.140 the best examples of this, just like, you can go look at their folk music history, you

02:15:09.320 know, it goes back into like the late, you know, 19th or sorry, 18th century and the roots

02:15:16.020 of these songs that are still sung today.

02:15:18.300 And that's part of it.

02:15:19.300 That's how you were able to convey over time when there wasn't written language or that

02:15:24.160 wasn't widely available.

02:15:26.120 Extremely important.

02:15:26.960 We've actually got a guy, it's one of our musicians in PF that specializes in Irish style

02:15:32.040 music, especially, he brings that out to events and we get to, you know, celebrate that too.

02:15:38.500 It's how you convey history and, uh, you know, mythology and legend to your people through

02:15:47.320 the generations consistently, easily with a, because it's set to a melody and it rhymes.

02:15:54.460 It's easy to remember the story.

02:15:56.040 Oh, and so not, not having that, there's a reason why, you know, they inundate us with 0.97

02:16:02.800 crap and they pollute us with that stuff.

02:16:04.940 And it's because, yeah, so there's power to these things. 0.99

02:16:10.240 So it is worth talking about sometimes for sure.

02:16:12.320 And that was a fun little chat about that.

02:16:14.580 But, uh, let's do some, uh, of these, uh, comments that we got here.

02:16:18.560 Uh, Zanel said, when the stories stop, the corned beef starts.

02:16:24.380 I, okay.

02:16:25.980 I like corned beef.

02:16:26.900 I don't know.

02:16:28.060 I don't know.

02:16:29.320 Look, I got some of these.

02:16:32.120 All right.

02:16:33.360 If, if CRJ is weird, is he like a routinely weird commenter?

02:16:40.360 Yes.

02:16:40.840 We, I, I, I love him, but, you know, he's getting night of the long knife at some point.

02:16:52.700 Oh, man.

02:16:53.860 Just joking. 1.00

02:16:54.560 CRJ, I love you, you little shithead. 0.99

02:16:57.100 Um, Louis Woffin said, uh, second sons Canada versus Patriot front hockey match would be epic 0.99

02:17:02.980 if it could happen better than the Olympics.

02:17:05.260 I don't know if we got that one.

02:17:06.940 I'm going to go beyond it.

02:17:08.180 I don't know.

02:17:08.560 We got a lot, but we don't got a lot of hockey players in the org.

02:17:11.680 We would be, we'd be in trouble probably.

02:17:15.480 I mean, probably because like, even though we, like, I don't know how many of our guys

02:17:20.380 still play.

02:17:20.880 Like, look, once you're done, uh, you know, minor league hockey and if you play, you know,

02:17:27.440 minor juniors or, oh, like university level, it doesn't really continue.

02:17:34.860 Why am I getting feedback all of a sudden?

02:17:38.560 Did you, did you change any of your settings?

02:17:43.480 No, I mean, I, I had to, uh, log back into the, uh, the app once and during the break,

02:17:48.920 I clicked back on a message and it signed me back in the telegram.

02:17:52.340 So I just couldn't test test.

02:17:55.480 Yeah.

02:17:55.840 Yeah, I'm getting something there.

02:17:59.060 Um, sorry.

02:18:00.220 I'll just try to.

02:18:02.020 It sounds normal in mind.

02:18:03.080 I'm not getting any feedback that I can tell here.

02:18:05.020 I think.

02:18:07.300 Well, I, I know guys, I know you can't maybe hear it, but I, I can't, which is going to

02:18:12.900 mess with me.

02:18:13.700 Does it go away if I mute my mic?

02:18:15.460 Hang on.

02:18:15.820 I might just do this.

02:18:22.380 Test.

02:18:23.580 No, that's weird.

02:18:28.340 Test, test.

02:18:29.620 Yeah.

02:18:30.100 That's so weird that I just start all of a sudden.

02:18:40.760 It's the Jews. 1.00

02:18:42.500 It might be. 0.83

02:18:44.840 They're lost.

02:18:45.720 They're weaving their auditory sorcery.

02:18:48.080 Hang on.

02:18:48.480 Let me do the old turn it off and turn it on again.

02:18:52.760 Test, test.

02:18:54.120 No. 1.00

02:19:00.100 Test, what the fuck? 1.00

02:19:22.200 All right. 1.00

02:19:22.540 Well, I might just.

02:19:24.520 Why am I getting that feed?

02:19:26.860 Did the window open on your end?

02:19:29.340 Can you, do you have like a rumble open on your end?

02:19:33.660 No, no.

02:19:35.500 I mean, I can click on the comment section, but, but then I can X out of it.

02:19:40.920 So I don't, I don't see any notifications on my screen.

02:19:44.500 I can log out and back in.

02:19:47.000 I don't think it's on your end.

02:19:49.300 Okay.

02:19:52.380 Yeah.

02:19:52.780 There's something.

02:19:54.420 Norm speakers are too loud.

02:19:57.860 I mean, it's a phone.

02:19:58.840 I don't know if I can turn it.

02:20:00.620 Yeah.

02:20:00.900 That doesn't make, if it's his phone, it doesn't make sense.

02:20:03.460 Wait, that.

02:20:04.700 Oh no.

02:20:05.260 It didn't stop it.

02:20:06.820 Do you have a microphone attached to your phone?

02:20:09.280 No, just to speak.

02:20:12.260 I can set it to.

02:20:16.540 How's that?

02:20:17.480 Does that make any difference?

02:20:19.420 Everybody's saying to use a headphone.

02:20:20.860 Guys, I don't have a headphone.

02:20:23.940 Check my, somebody's saying check my, it's worked.

02:20:26.120 It stopped all of a sudden.

02:20:27.340 So I don't know what changed there, but anyways, that was weird.

02:20:30.060 I've never experienced that before.

02:20:31.240 Um, I think, I think it's good now.

02:20:36.180 Anyways, I know you guys may not have heard that, but to me, it was like listening to myself

02:20:40.700 a half a second after I said things, as I'm saying them.

02:20:43.580 And that's, uh, people are saying use headphones.

02:20:46.040 Like I don't use headphones because, um, I find it incredibly uncomfortable to wear,

02:20:51.420 but, uh, we're good now.

02:20:52.520 It's a good on your end.

02:20:53.340 You can hear everything.

02:20:54.200 Yeah.

02:20:54.540 So yeah.

02:20:54.760 Good to go.

02:20:55.180 All right.

02:20:56.960 Uh, but back to the hockey match.

02:20:59.080 Um, I don't know.

02:21:00.180 I think a better thing would be like, let's, we'll, we'll do PF versus SSC, uh, fights or

02:21:06.260 something, um, at some point.

02:21:08.540 Um, cause we both do that.

02:21:10.560 So it seems like a fair, uh, or, uh, football maybe. 0.82

02:21:15.360 I mean, we've got Canadian football, you know, our balls are bigger.

02:21:18.660 Our field is longer.

02:21:21.820 I mean, it's all right.

02:21:24.960 It's, it's, it's, when I did play football, I hated Canadian rules.

02:21:28.500 I'm just like, it's just a shittier version of American football.

02:21:31.020 I mean, it's like, it's like a typical Canadian thing.

02:21:33.420 It's like, we'll just make it slightly different so that it's Canadian, even though it's, it's

02:21:37.380 American, but yeah.

02:21:41.760 Um, okay.

02:21:45.120 Uh, friendly fash said apart from my silly quip, my message about doxing was simply that

02:21:50.440 quote, it separates the weak from the strong, the amateurs from the revolutionaries.

02:21:54.360 Uh, the docs reveals who you are in more ways than one.

02:21:57.800 Yeah.

02:21:58.980 A hundred percent.

02:22:00.300 Yeah.

02:22:00.900 And there may be guys that go their whole nationalist career without being doxed.

02:22:04.940 And that's, that's great too, but there is definitely, there's not really a test quite

02:22:09.480 like it.

02:22:09.980 And when I was doxed, I just leaned into it hard.

02:22:14.880 Um, I've been doxed a lot.

02:22:16.240 It's like every six months they release something new, but, um, I would say I probably could and

02:22:20.800 should have done a little bit better on OPSEC at the time.

02:22:23.840 Uh, but I had already become very grounded in my convictions and, and had some idea and

02:22:31.440 cognizance of what to expect. 0.98

02:22:32.880 And as the org grew, as PF grew, like we have resources now not to encourage stupidity, of 0.96

02:22:39.280 course, but, but to really like put people in the right position so that they're not as

02:22:43.840 fragile and that there's, there's a connection of resources in life.

02:22:47.900 Even if, you know, our enemies try to attack us and dox us.

02:22:51.180 And, uh, I do believe doxing is becoming less powerful over time.

02:22:55.820 I think another two years, maybe, and it might not be a major issue, but I've lost a lot of

02:23:01.680 jobs.

02:23:02.200 I've gone through lawsuits for wrongful termination on people that did this.

02:23:06.320 I've had, uh, people come to my homes, you know, and try to cause problems and vandalism.

02:23:11.660 Uh, pretty much had, I think all of it about, I've had federal agents come knock on the

02:23:17.520 door before, you know, like you kind of just learn to deal with all of it.

02:23:20.380 And once you get a little bit of confidence and figure out what's going on, yeah, there's

02:23:25.020 not a lot that can be done to knock you down or, or, or unsettle you.

02:23:28.500 You become very, very grounded in your identity and who you are.

02:23:32.400 And it, it's not so insane anymore, you know?

02:23:38.080 Yeah.

02:23:38.640 I mean, you're, I think you're correct that the docs is obviously becoming less and less

02:23:43.860 effective, um, and more and more people just, even if they don't agree with you, they don't

02:23:49.520 care because many of them just don't want to give in to, like, they don't like the people

02:23:54.640 who are trying to attack you. 1.00

02:23:56.140 So even if they don't agree with you politically, they're just like, fuck you, you faggot 1.00

02:23:59.620 comedy. 1.00

02:23:59.960 Like, I'm not doing what you wanted to do because you told me to do it.

02:24:03.300 Like, so that, that is a component of it as well.

02:24:06.480 People are sick of, you know, the, the cancel culture. 0.99

02:24:09.240 Right.

02:24:10.240 Um, another element of it too, is that people are learning to play the game.

02:24:15.740 So, uh, you know, we went through this at one point with the gyms, uh, that we were renting

02:24:20.700 space in and, uh, like I've gone through this as well, like personally with, uh, cousins

02:24:25.620 and things like that, or people who are around me and like, I have a very simple strategy to

02:24:30.480 deal with this.

02:24:31.080 Now I just tell people like, tell them what they want to hear.

02:24:33.960 Yeah.

02:24:34.560 Like if, if you don't want to deal with this situation, right.

02:24:37.280 Like, I don't get like, you know, John, you know, me, I know what you think.

02:24:41.900 Like, I know you're on my team, go out there and tell CBC what they want to hear and then

02:24:46.100 they'll leave you alone.

02:24:47.540 And then, you know, we'll wait a few months and then we'll be good.

02:24:51.020 And like, we'll start, you know, we'll hook up again and it's fine or whatever.

02:24:54.160 Like, don't ruin your business or don't put yourself through that.

02:24:57.460 Just like, oh, like, oh yeah, I had no idea.

02:24:59.620 I don't condone what they're doing.

02:25:01.100 Uh, it's really not, you know, acceptable.

02:25:04.440 Uh, that's one way to do it.

02:25:07.200 We did, um, we did have one time I got kicked out of the gym and, and there was a lot of

02:25:11.660 strife in that gym.

02:25:12.380 A lot of people didn't want me gone.

02:25:13.580 And it, you know, it's usually that way because nationalists who are good men don't actually

02:25:18.020 deserve to be kicked.

02:25:19.140 But, um, later and kind of as a weird joke and we didn't really continue this, but we 0.98

02:25:24.640 would like, there were some comments that we would leave.

02:25:26.440 They're like, big thanks to the gym.

02:25:28.240 Um, you know, we know that they're secretly on our side cause these people weren't at

02:25:31.420 that.

02:25:31.600 So it was like a 40 chess that we were like, yeah, you know, they just, they, it's, it's

02:25:35.560 been, it's been a real honor to, to go back to that gym and we hadn't been back there.

02:25:39.500 And so then they just get attacked again on reviews and it was just chaos because they

02:25:45.100 bent the knee the first time for real.

02:25:46.640 So we're like, okay, you know, you want to play that game.

02:25:49.200 We'll play some games.

02:25:50.120 But that's the fun element of it is so the, the gym or the owner, whoever tells them what

02:25:56.020 they want to hear.

02:25:56.820 And then a few days later, I get up on a stream.

02:25:59.380 I'm like, you know, they're just telling you what you want to hear, right?

02:26:02.480 They don't agree with you.

02:26:03.820 They don't like you.

02:26:04.780 They don't actually hate us or whatever.

02:26:07.640 They just don't want to have their business ruined.

02:26:09.380 They don't want to be involved in this, this song and dance that you want to put them

02:26:12.760 through.

02:26:13.380 So they're telling you what you want to hear.

02:26:15.160 Yeah.

02:26:15.440 It's actually really funny.

02:26:17.760 It's probably not our first instinct is, is, well, I mean, men of conviction, but it

02:26:21.340 is funny when you figure out how to play the game a little bit, you're like, man, we could

02:26:25.360 just ruin. 0.98

02:26:26.140 And it does, it does fuck with them. 0.96

02:26:27.720 If you get on, I mean, you can see it on like Reddit and stuff. 0.98

02:26:29.460 They start to kind of, and they're eager to demonize anything and everything.

02:26:34.520 So when they start doing that to their own numbers and there's the cohesion breaks down,

02:26:39.500 I think that's going to be interesting to see where exactly that sort of thing goes in the

02:26:42.940 next few years, because the left, I mean, especially here in America fractured, I mean, 0.72

02:26:47.340 feminists fight trannies fight, you know, Somalis who hates other Arabs. 1.00

02:26:53.220 It's like, they can't, there was never a unifying ideology for them. 1.00

02:26:56.760 It was just, it was a smorgasbord of bullshit that was filled with, with, you know, money 0.99

02:27:02.420 from, from cabinets that hate us. 1.00

02:27:04.260 So they kind of can't help, but break down with just a little bit of a nudge in the right

02:27:09.900 direction.

02:27:10.340 So I think you're, you're correct in one sense, but I would disagree that there's not

02:27:16.060 a unifying ideology that governs them.

02:27:18.680 The unifying, unifying ideology that governs them is being anti-white. 0.53

02:27:23.440 Yeah, I would say, I guess so.

02:27:25.320 I think that not even that has fractured some because you have other, my, why I call them

02:27:28.960 my, they could be minorities.

02:27:29.940 They hate each other. 0.63

02:27:30.840 Now, even, even let's say Jewish families up top who have, you know, programmed a lot 1.00

02:27:35.800 of this as their influence and their numbers grew.

02:27:40.400 And then you have rival families and factions, and they may not show it too often, but they'll

02:27:46.500 go after each other too.

02:27:48.140 Uh, and maybe that's me being too white pilled and all this stuff.

02:27:51.240 But I, I do think that they're, while they did have, or do have the remnants of a governing

02:27:57.200 force of anti-white at all costs, it, I don't think it's staying stable for them into the

02:28:03.120 long game.

02:28:03.720 I think that it was a weapon that worked really well and it's starting to show signs of mutation

02:28:09.620 that eats itself.

02:28:11.500 You know, eventually they just, they can't maintain a functioning, cohesive, strong culture

02:28:16.340 of anti-white that is somehow also productive and strong with values that we would normally

02:28:22.100 use to make our own nations that actually work.

02:28:24.660 But, um, yeah, yeah, I think I absolutely, especially in the face of solidarity amongst

02:28:32.480 whites and growing solidarity, the reason why it was effective for so long is because it

02:28:36.660 was easy.

02:28:37.240 Yeah.

02:28:37.780 And whites, and they convinced whites to attack other whites. 0.67

02:28:40.220 I mean, that was, that was like a huge bedrock of like Antifa.

02:28:43.240 Yeah.

02:28:43.680 So like when it's easy to be united around something like, and then like you saw that

02:28:49.420 you see this with the right all the time.

02:28:50.800 One of the reasons there's so much fracturing and infighting is because it's difficult to

02:28:53.920 be on the right, you know, at the moment.

02:28:55.920 And so that creates a situation where everybody is, is trying to, you know, their intentions

02:29:03.260 may be correct, but you know, everybody is failing or everybody is struggling.

02:29:08.840 And so there's this tendency to like attack each other or, or get out of each other.

02:29:12.660 Cause we're not winning like in the same way that if your team is losing, like there's

02:29:17.840 a tendency among guys to be like, to start, you know, you got to get in those corners and

02:29:23.400 attack that puck. 0.85

02:29:24.580 Well, you got to fucking cover me when I, they start, you know, doing these things where 0.99

02:29:29.480 they're, you know, it not cooperating the way they should be, if they want to win. 0.98

02:29:34.300 Um, I've seen it happen before.

02:29:35.780 It seems a little bit inevitable.

02:29:37.360 We work through it and move on, but yeah, that's a very good point.

02:29:42.580 Um, but yeah, the, the other thing about the doxing too is so the one that they, they really

02:29:48.200 like doing with us, uh, over the past year is doxing spaces that we're using, whether,

02:29:53.140 even if it's just public spaces like parks or, uh, particularly gyms, they really don't

02:29:58.160 like us using, uh, gym spaces.

02:29:59.880 And I think this is a, I'd like your opinion on, on this in particular, but I think this

02:30:04.500 is a horrible miscalculation by them on injecting their politics into, um, you know, combat sports

02:30:12.640 spaces.

02:30:13.400 Yeah, it is.

02:30:14.260 And I've seen it go, they will have limited examples of success. 0.99

02:30:18.240 And this is usually hinged on traitorous whites. 0.97

02:30:23.160 And then we found there was a black belt and he, he's like a six foot tall, Chad looking 0.97

02:30:27.540 white dude in like Eastern rural Tennessee in Cleveland.

02:30:31.340 And, um, and he's like one of the leading instructors for Leviathan jujitsu is this whole

02:30:36.720 school, you know, and, and a lot of the guys there probably are just average people who lean

02:30:40.440 a little bit, right.

02:30:41.060 You know, it's Tennessee, it's whatever, but this guy married some woman who's got ties

02:30:44.680 with Antifa and it just spread like a poison.

02:30:46.320 So they'll have little bits and pieces of, they'll find success in that.

02:30:50.560 But then dudes start leaving their gyms too.

02:30:52.180 Cause they're like, wait a minute.

02:30:53.080 They're right.

02:30:54.000 You're saying Nazis are bad.

02:30:55.420 And, but, but then you're Antifa and then like, this is a train wreck.

02:30:59.140 They cannot sustainably put any kind of impact in combat sports.

02:31:03.520 They get maybe a tiny handful of people that are actually skilled who are usually just confused

02:31:10.100 or mistaken.

02:31:10.900 And that sometimes don't even stay in that crowd very long because anyone strong grows to 0.99

02:31:15.300 hate the bullshit that the rampant life does. 0.98

02:31:18.160 And it creates for us almost ownership on it where everybody says, wait a minute. 1.00

02:31:23.220 So if I even like to lift weights, that's fascist.

02:31:26.720 Yes.

02:31:27.460 So what, so wait a minute.

02:31:28.560 So then why, you know, then it just goes from there.

02:31:31.520 I can explain this with what I went through personally, but this also happened with, you

02:31:36.600 know, multiple gyms that we've, you know, we had issues with them revealing the locations

02:31:41.140 of, and then attacking both the businesses and the owner.

02:31:43.740 Yeah.

02:31:44.660 So whenever the owner of the gym that I was removed from, or, you know, banned from, he

02:31:50.140 didn't, he didn't care.

02:31:51.480 It wasn't like, he's like, I don't know, man, I don't pay attention to politics at all.

02:31:54.660 I just know that two of the parents of the kids, you know, who train in the jujitsu class

02:31:59.620 are really concerned with this.

02:32:01.780 It's usually people like that.

02:32:03.300 It's fearful.

02:32:04.200 You know, yeah.

02:32:04.640 I'm just going to like, look, you know, nothing personal, but we're just going to, you know,

02:32:09.520 see ya.

02:32:10.460 Yeah.

02:32:10.720 And like, that's, that's fine.

02:32:11.900 The problem is, is when that happened, like I was, I'm well liked among the guys who trained

02:32:17.720 at that gym.

02:32:18.280 And so many of them reach out and they're like, what the hell's going on?

02:32:21.860 And then they ask you about like, well, what you're into and, you know, what you actually

02:32:25.460 believe in all these things.

02:32:26.380 Like, I agree with those things.

02:32:28.440 Like, so now, now they're talking to me about it and they're like, you're, that makes a lot

02:32:32.100 of sense, man.

02:32:32.860 And so now they're in that gym and they're wondering, you know, when it's going to be

02:32:38.620 them.

02:32:39.280 Yeah.

02:32:39.700 So you're creating this culture of like, where they're afraid, like the whole, maybe this

02:32:44.860 is, it shouldn't be that difficult for most guys to understand if they've been in locker

02:32:48.880 culture or whatever, but you make gay jokes, you make sexist jokes, you make racist, like 1.00

02:32:54.300 guys just, they shoot the shit and they say things that are funny. 0.99

02:32:57.860 They tend to lean towards more right-wing thinking, which should be obvious among like combat sports 0.99

02:33:07.100 enthusiasts.

02:33:07.540 It's a, it's an inherently right-wing, I would even say fascist coded kind of space.

02:33:12.380 And so that's who's in those gyms.

02:33:14.960 And now you're trying to, it's not the gym injecting that culture on top of them.

02:33:20.060 It's this third party that is now trying to push this, uh, astroturf, um, ideology into

02:33:28.960 that space.

02:33:29.680 And these guys are going to reject it.

02:33:31.240 And so what happened whenever, you know, they, they booted me from the gym.

02:33:35.120 Well, I had recruits.

02:33:36.600 That's exactly what, that's exactly what happened to us.

02:33:38.800 And it happens every time.

02:33:39.700 And eventually you open your own gyms and stuff in it, but it, the process never stops.

02:33:44.160 It's, it's actually hilariously a roundabout way of getting really great recruits.

02:33:49.440 Exactly.

02:33:50.080 So it's one of these things where like, I please, by all means, keep doing this because it's

02:33:55.900 a minor inconvenience to us.

02:33:57.620 And it's a horrible, uh, systemic problem that you're going to create for yourselves, which

02:34:03.660 is there like, I don't know if you've noticed this trend, but there's a reason why a lot of

02:34:07.900 the people making, you know, anti-Semitic content now were former fitness influencers.

02:34:13.280 Yeah.

02:34:14.320 Yeah.

02:34:14.540 Like look at Kenny KO, the trend twin.

02:34:16.600 Like there's all these examples of these guys have way bigger followings than anybody

02:34:20.160 in political commentary too.

02:34:22.320 Yeah. 1.00

02:34:22.620 And now they're talking about these things because you started injecting that, that bullshit. 1.00

02:34:28.100 Exactly. 1.00

02:34:28.640 Yep.

02:34:29.160 We got it with, with Jake Shield and I met Sean Strickland and, you know, and they're

02:34:33.580 like, wow, it's, it's a wildfire that I'm really excited to see that grow.

02:34:38.940 Hopefully uncontrollably, you know, consistently.

02:34:42.240 Um, and I, I think we're moving in that direction.

02:34:45.180 And, and then, yeah, the other element of it is great.

02:34:48.140 You got like, we're going to get another, like, this doesn't change anything.

02:34:51.180 They celebrate whenever they get rid of one of our gyms.

02:34:53.440 It's like, we're going to find another space or we're going to build our own space.

02:34:57.360 Uh, all he's doing is make us more resourceful.

02:35:00.100 Think outside.

02:35:01.460 Exactly.

02:35:02.740 You're giving us the struggle that we need to go through to become the people.

02:35:07.900 To accomplish it all.

02:35:09.220 Yep.

02:35:09.700 Yeah.

02:35:09.860 And I really don't think they understand that.

02:35:11.320 I think some of them may be kind of do, but after a while, sorry to realize a lot of

02:35:16.020 these antifa leftist, whatever journalists, like, I think that they are fundamentally unaware

02:35:20.680 and broken on a, on a level that we can't on, you know, relate to at all because it,

02:35:26.500 you would think, you know, you would think, you would think like, why do you guys not

02:35:29.820 see this happening?

02:35:30.460 And they, they're like insects.

02:35:32.540 They can't, they, they, they don't get it.

02:35:34.980 And they probably won't ever.

02:35:38.000 They're, they're permanently atrophied, weird, disfigured souls that just kind of go on 1.00

02:35:44.240 these.

02:35:44.820 Yeah.

02:35:45.020 They are very rarely thinking critically.

02:35:48.520 They're almost always thinking ideologically.

02:35:51.580 Yeah.

02:35:51.740 So their motivations are not, is this actually going to have the impact?

02:35:55.240 It is.

02:35:55.460 It's like this thing bad must destroy thing.

02:35:57.980 Yep.

02:35:58.760 It's, it's, it's robotic.

02:36:00.680 Um, but, uh, there was something else I was going to throw in there.

02:36:06.080 Um, regardless, um, I think it's a horrible miscalculation and it's just making our guys

02:36:12.960 better.

02:36:13.320 Um, yeah, in the long run, it certainly is.

02:36:15.800 There can be some hardship on the road there, but that's the point.

02:36:18.160 Like you said, it's, it's, you go through this to push yourself into a direction where

02:36:21.800 you, then now, you know, you can control this and get it done.

02:36:25.460 Absolutely.

02:36:25.860 Um, friendly fash again says right now I'm looking at two men that made the right choice

02:36:30.760 despite the odds and the danger of folk heroes in the making.

02:36:33.680 Uh, that was, I think he's referring to, um, that clip that went around quite a bit at

02:36:39.240 one point where I was talking about, uh, guys like Russo and the NSN guys as being like,

02:36:44.280 they're the, it kind of just relates to exactly what we were just talking about, which is the

02:36:47.720 makings of folk heroes.

02:36:48.840 Like the, it go through that hero's journey, right?

02:36:52.540 The Joseph Campbell archetypal hero's journey.

02:36:55.220 Like they have to make a choice to put themselves in a situation that they're going to struggle.

02:37:01.120 Like they, they have to choose danger and then they have to overcome it.

02:37:04.620 Yeah.

02:37:05.320 That's historical.

02:37:06.560 Like you said, like folk, I miss Beowulf, that's King Arthur.

02:37:08.980 That's exactly.

02:37:10.060 And in a modern context, they'll try to tell us that we can't, we can't relive the heroism

02:37:14.780 of the past or it can't be related to or whatever.

02:37:17.260 That's, that's false.

02:37:18.020 We, every era has hardships and you tap into that lineage, that vein of heroism.

02:37:25.940 Poetically and just tangibly in daily life when we go through this stuff.

02:37:31.860 Absolutely.

02:37:33.320 Uh, Brian 7316 says great guest, Alex.

02:37:35.720 Thank you for your insight, Norman.

02:37:37.120 Much respect from Canada.

02:37:38.520 Yeah.

02:37:38.680 I've thoroughly enjoyed this.

02:37:39.800 This is like a, it's a very different conversation than we normally do when we're talking politics

02:37:45.140 with guys.

02:37:45.620 Like it's more, I don't know.

02:37:47.620 It's kind of reminding me more of talking with Rundo.

02:37:49.900 It's, it's like a, you have a very cultural aspect or perspective on things as opposed to,

02:37:55.220 to a more like they, obviously you need both.

02:37:57.440 Um, but, um, you know, a lot of guys are more political, analytical, uh, you know, like structured

02:38:05.500 type of like how we implement systems and things like that.

02:38:08.240 But you also need the guys who are like, this is the culture that needs to go with that.

02:38:12.100 Otherwise you've built the system with no meaning.

02:38:15.740 Yeah.

02:38:15.900 It's good to have all of it.

02:38:16.860 We got to have a lot of different moving pieces to, to build something fantastic.

02:38:20.260 No, but nobody does it alone.

02:38:21.300 You know?

02:38:22.060 Yeah.

02:38:22.740 Uh, the bearded Indian says really liking the new format, having guests recently discovered 1.00

02:38:26.660 Rob Rundo.

02:38:27.360 Your collaboration was excellent.

02:38:28.680 His story is incredible and he's great at telling it.

02:38:31.060 You're on the right track.

02:38:32.240 Well, yeah.

02:38:33.680 Part of the reason why I really wanted to get Rob Rundo on is particularly in Canada.

02:38:37.320 A lot of people are not familiar with him.

02:38:38.960 Even if they're, they know what the active club model is, they know what we're building.

02:38:42.620 They don't know his story.

02:38:43.840 And that's largely because he was just kind of gone whenever he, the model really took

02:38:50.300 off, like, and then he, like when Sewell was rising in popularity, when Russo was rising

02:38:57.820 in popularity, when, you know, the other groups were rising in popularity and, you know,

02:39:01.800 there's this, you know, big, uh, surge in numbers Rundo was in behind bars.

02:39:09.180 Yeah.

02:39:09.620 I remember, um, really early on before he had gotten locked up again, during some group

02:39:15.320 chats and stuff and just kind of got to know him and a little bit at a distance, but, uh,

02:39:19.300 he's also, he doesn't take credit for stuff that he, you know, he, he made.

02:39:23.760 Um, so some people may not know a whole lot about him, but it's, uh, I think he's walked

02:39:28.420 an incredibly cool path and for him to go through all of this years of, of, of an incredible

02:39:33.720 life already.

02:39:35.000 And he gets out and he paces himself and he finds his footing.

02:39:38.720 He reintroduces himself to the, uh, you know, this world and, um, he's jumped right back

02:39:44.900 in and he, he helps with all kinds of cool stuff, all kinds of cool stuff.

02:39:49.000 So I think people will see more and more of him over time.

02:39:52.600 Yeah.

02:39:53.080 I've been working with him a little bit on some different things and I, like, I think

02:39:57.280 he's a, he's great.

02:39:58.220 Like he's, there's a vision to him that is very different than what you get from a lot

02:40:05.520 of guys, uh, around like he, he has a different perspective on what needs that.

02:40:11.180 And like things that I think a lot of guys don't pay that we were talking earlier about

02:40:14.840 music.

02:40:15.240 Like he, like he's thinking about that stuff or we're talking about art.

02:40:18.420 Like he's thinking about that stuff.

02:40:19.680 Like, I don't really think about these things that often, uh, in my day to day, even though

02:40:24.920 I, I, like, I understand it, I appreciate it, but like, I'm not focused on like, man, we

02:40:28.400 got to get some great, you know, music and art and, uh, you know, clothing and style and

02:40:35.060 stuff like that.

02:40:35.520 Like that doesn't cross my mind.

02:40:36.860 Um, there you go, there, there it is.

02:40:39.420 It's good to have a, we have different guys full of different passions and it's, it's

02:40:43.220 I love all of it.

02:40:44.380 It's great that we can fill all of those shoes in today's context that our numbers grow and

02:40:49.680 the passions grow and the amount of people jumping into projects grows to where eventually,

02:40:55.060 I mean, that's the beginnings of what a nation will look like.

02:40:58.140 And we have people who are skilled in making automobiles, you know, and they start to run this

02:41:02.320 industry and these companies, there are guys that are very passionate about agriculture.

02:41:05.660 There are guys that are passionate about, um, going and giving speeches or, or, or releasing,

02:41:11.280 you know, and structuring like holidays and benefits for, for different communities.

02:41:15.380 It turns into governance really is what it does.

02:41:17.500 The creation of art and production of, of, of, uh, the culture and the passion it's, it

02:41:22.060 goes to the highest level of shaping the world around us.

02:41:24.980 Uh, I, you're, I, I'm right with you on this one.

02:41:28.980 Like it's really Sewell that explained this concept to me and put it like, I, I, it's a weird

02:41:34.700 thing where, um, I don't think it's the, the grug brain, you know, meathead guys that need

02:41:42.420 things explained to them in a way that they can understand.

02:41:45.700 I actually think it's the reverse.

02:41:47.180 I think it's the, the more cynical, intellectual, academic type guys that need these things

02:41:53.700 explained to them in a way that they can understand.

02:41:56.080 Because if you tell the, the meathead guys, like, Hey, we're all going to get together

02:41:59.980 and we're going to punch on.

02:42:01.580 Yeah.

02:42:01.900 That makes sense.

02:42:03.080 Yeah.

02:42:03.560 Yes.

02:42:04.040 I understand instinctively how this, you know, works and why this is important.

02:42:09.440 And then you say that to a more, you know, academic type guy and they're like, well,

02:42:13.940 what benefit does this actually provide?

02:42:15.940 Like how does this translate into political?

02:42:17.560 And they need it like explained in detail to them.

02:42:21.720 Like I, that's a great point.

02:42:23.680 Actually, I hadn't thought of it that way, but that's exactly what happens whenever I'm

02:42:27.120 thinking of projects we got going on right now.

02:42:29.080 And that's exactly what happens.

02:42:30.880 Yeah.

02:42:31.780 And it's not like there's, there's a truth to it, which is something that I used immigration.

02:42:37.560 So like, you know, there's a truth to it for decades. 0.99

02:42:40.500 The right couldn't explain why I don't want to live next to a bunch of stinky Indians. 1.00

02:42:47.560 Actually the, that is the correct ultimate take. 0.98

02:42:53.100 That's it.

02:42:53.740 Like that's, that is correct. 1.00

02:42:55.240 If you go on TV and you say that, you know, to the public, you sound like a boorish moron. 1.00

02:43:01.920 Yeah. 1.00

02:43:02.520 And they want to, you know, articulate it differently.

02:43:05.160 And H1B.

02:43:06.360 It's not a good song and dance where you can explain all of the metrics and the stats

02:43:11.380 and stuff.

02:43:12.040 And then the result is the song, Don't Live Near Stinky.

02:43:15.880 Yeah.

02:43:16.460 Yeah.

02:43:16.700 And I was talking about this with the, I think it was Tom last week, but this is one thing

02:43:22.820 I think the NSN was really good at in particular.

02:43:25.040 They were able to like Joel, Jacob, Tom, Blair, like all of these guys were able to take the

02:43:31.360 grug take, you know, expand on it, elaborate it, you know, flesh it out and then reduce it

02:43:36.340 back down into the same grug take, but worded slightly differently where an intellectual

02:43:41.460 guy will be like, okay, I get it.

02:43:43.280 Yeah.

02:43:43.480 That's, that's a good point.

02:43:44.480 Yeah.

02:43:44.580 Their, their media production, like their messaging and stanzas and the, and their posts

02:43:48.800 have been speaking about it.

02:43:49.620 A lot of it had that, that edge of like simplicity, maybe a little bit of humor, but also like,

02:43:54.560 no, this is a real, it's a, it's a, it's a political theorem.

02:43:57.180 Like this actually explains in a condensed way, the same thing we all want.

02:44:01.660 Like, yeah.

02:44:02.280 Yeah.

02:44:02.420 Um, it's like, like, it's the obvious things.

02:44:06.980 It's like, you know, the, the layman is just like boys are boys, girls are girls.

02:44:11.840 Yeah.

02:44:12.820 Like, I don't like, what is, what do you mean?

02:44:14.720 Like how much more explanation do you need?

02:44:16.820 Like, do you need me to, no, like this is how you end up with people who have 140 IQ,

02:44:21.220 you know, doing mental gymnastics to convince themselves that a boy can become a girl. 0.99

02:44:25.360 They're not stupid. 0.99

02:44:26.360 They're just, they're completely disconnected from reality and nature, like, and not nature 0.99

02:44:31.860 in the, the, the trees and forest sense, nature in the like natural law sense.

02:44:36.600 Yeah.

02:44:37.460 Yeah, exactly.

02:44:38.800 I agree with that.

02:44:40.260 Um, there was one other thing that I was going to mention there.

02:44:45.140 I have lost it.

02:44:46.620 I believe.

02:44:47.060 Um, oh, the state, well, that's where I was going with that.

02:44:52.760 Initially this state crafting, it was Sewell who explained this to me and like, like, how

02:44:57.500 do you go from 10 guys boxing to, you know, total victory?

02:45:01.320 Yeah.

02:45:02.760 It's going through the process of when you build an organization big, it doesn't matter

02:45:07.880 what the organization is.

02:45:09.180 If you build an organization to a size and scope that it requires a sophistication of

02:45:15.200 like organs within the organization that are all functioning towards a whole, then you

02:45:20.260 can translate those functions to anything you want.

02:45:23.340 So the corporate structure of Coca-Cola could be transferred to Microsoft in theory, like

02:45:29.060 it, it's the same, like you have the ability to build a concept.

02:45:32.000 Yeah.

02:45:32.440 Right.

02:45:32.900 Like you may have to change.

02:45:33.720 Like organic, um, organic structures forming at a very basic level.

02:45:38.560 It's like cellular biology in all natural order, really, really.

02:45:42.800 But it's, it's always cool to see it expressed and then realizing, because for, I think a lot

02:45:48.120 of us in nationalism, there was years where we had all the basic floor level organism stuff,

02:45:56.280 but not a whole lot of groups have gotten large enough to see it naturally do what you're

02:46:01.800 describing where it, it becomes better and bigger because that's what it does.

02:46:05.460 And now that we're finally reaching some of those areas, it's pretty cool.

02:46:10.220 It's pretty cool to see it happen just like that.

02:46:12.380 So this is what we get a lot of time is like, when are you got, like, when are you guys going

02:46:16.600 to have a youth, you know, like scout, like second scouts or something like that?

02:46:20.800 And I'm like, I don't know when I have enough guys that have enough kids that it makes sense

02:46:25.660 to have that.

02:46:26.400 Like, what do you, what do you mean?

02:46:27.800 Like, what do you want us to do?

02:46:30.080 You want us to devote a ton of resources to something that there's no demand for?

02:46:33.940 Like, obviously that would be awesome.

02:46:35.560 Obviously it would be awesome if we had a movie production crew, like some sort of like

02:46:42.160 elaborate, you know, you know, documentary, like obviously these things would be great.

02:46:47.460 We don't have the resources.

02:46:48.060 It happens as you get there.

02:46:49.760 I mean, we, I remember it was three years ago that one of our guys in Alabama, I mean,

02:46:57.280 he actually went to some schooling, like it's like a Hans Zimmer school and like got a composing

02:47:03.260 like station in his house, like, like a lot of equipment, like I'm very expensive because

02:47:09.300 gradually as time went on, we got more people.

02:47:12.240 You have more access to business.

02:47:14.080 You have, you have a need for it.

02:47:15.460 You got to have a need for it.

02:47:16.200 Didn't start off with a need like this and eventually we get to the point where it's

02:47:18.640 like, no, these videos, we, we need a composer.

02:47:21.640 And then we, you start talking to people.

02:47:23.540 You start saying, look, who's done this, this, and that.

02:47:25.200 And then somebody's there because the numbers have risen, you know?

02:47:28.140 And, uh, and now that's produces great audio quality for some of the production, but it's,

02:47:32.480 um, it's cool to see the progression because before that, it, it was always dreamed about

02:47:37.940 and desired and that's good, but you didn't need it in the moment.

02:47:40.420 And then it started to come together and now you have it.

02:47:42.240 And that, that never ends.

02:47:43.260 It just keeps going up and up and up and up until we get farther and farther in there.

02:47:46.940 Like, uh, the easiest way when people are like, what do you guys even do is like, well,

02:47:50.720 it's an organization and an organization can only do what it's technically capable of doing.

02:47:55.060 So what you see us doing, like, that's our, that's what we can do at this point.

02:47:59.580 Like if you want us to do more, we need more guys and more resources.

02:48:03.320 Like, I don't know, like, what are you, but you're seeing what we can do.

02:48:07.100 It's yeah.

02:48:07.580 It's not enough.

02:48:08.620 I'm well aware.

02:48:09.680 I, every day I think about how, what we're doing is not enough and we need to do more,

02:48:14.160 but I can't just, I don't know, unless you want to give me a billion dollars or something,

02:48:18.180 or even the very first, there's going to, I want to, I don't know who the first national

02:48:23.760 billionaire is going to be, but it's going to happen at some point at some point.

02:48:28.760 Well, like, like all, you know, you don't become a billionaire making, you know, silly 0.82

02:48:35.220 investments.

02:48:35.840 And so what it's going to take to get that kind of involvement is somebody to perceive

02:48:40.880 nationalist movements as being the future and being valid.

02:48:44.440 Yeah.

02:48:44.580 And seeing actual value.

02:48:45.640 Yeah.

02:48:45.860 We, I, again, I think we're getting a little bit closer.

02:48:49.120 I got to sit down and talk with Dan Bilzerian, got to meet him in Vegas.

02:48:52.380 And he's not, um, I think he's half Armenian, which is Caucasian, but not European.

02:48:57.680 And he's, he's half American.

02:48:59.420 Um, I got, I got along with him finally had some interesting stories, wild hedonistic

02:49:03.760 background that he changed a lot over the years.

02:49:06.580 And then he took up a very firm antisemitic stance that is not identical to authentic American

02:49:11.820 nationalism, but it was just interesting seeing somebody of that previous lifestyle and wealth

02:49:16.700 structure, extremely wealthy, taking really like lasting, genuine interest in things close

02:49:23.740 to what we are.

02:49:24.480 And that's a, that's a sign that's a symptom of this is reaching a certain degree and it's

02:49:31.100 getting higher and higher, you know?

02:49:32.440 And, and, and we, this is where a lot of this, like historically it started that people who

02:49:37.440 made kingdoms and governments began somewhere and changes occurred by reaching a certain

02:49:42.020 level.

02:49:42.340 And we're watching it happen more happens now faster exponentially than it ever has in history

02:49:46.760 before.

02:49:47.200 So we stand a really good chance of seeing these sweeping, incredible changes in our favor

02:49:53.680 in our lifetimes than a lot of nationalists historically probably ever have.

02:50:00.000 Absolutely.

02:50:01.240 Yeah.

02:50:01.780 It's, it'll, it'll come, but you got like, you got, you got to prove the model.

02:50:08.040 You got to have the prototype.

02:50:09.240 You got to be able to demonstrate results before you're going to see that kind of, and look

02:50:15.060 like there, you can, we can bemoan that and say, well, like, you know, these people should

02:50:21.060 be helping us now.

02:50:21.860 Like, yeah, maybe morally they should, but they're, there's, they're cynical, pragmatic

02:50:25.620 people.

02:50:26.360 You don't become a bad caliber of wealth and power without being a cynical, pragmatic person.

02:50:33.160 So they're not going to bet on you because of feelings and yeah, we're all full of passion

02:50:38.900 for our, for our cause, but you know, make it, make it something lucrative and attractive

02:50:43.640 that makes sense to people in power so that we become people in power that sits the upward

02:50:50.300 trajectory.

02:50:51.600 Absolutely.

02:50:52.880 Uh, Ivy Ryan said, Norman is the closest thing we have to the American Thomas Sewell hail

02:50:58.400 Norman, life, liberty, and victory.

02:51:00.640 Uh, that's high praise.

02:51:02.820 That is very, I think, I think Thomas Rousseau is probably the, the, you know, our leader

02:51:07.420 here, but I appreciate that compliment.

02:51:09.020 Thank you.

02:51:10.720 Uh, siswau64 said, it seems many of our folk are waking up to the race question.

02:51:15.940 What can we do to best steward this?

02:51:19.160 I'll provide them.

02:51:26.580 Um, uh, Canada is actually kind of lucky in a sense, like, even though we're late to the

02:51:32.520 party in terms of nationalist organizations, obviously we've grown very quickly.

02:51:36.400 And that's because of, we had this inbuilt community that extended way before, you know,

02:51:42.060 the club, you know, second sons ever existed.

02:51:44.060 Um, but even in a short period of time, we have both a more, you know, active, uh, aggressive,

02:51:51.880 um, you know, animated model, which is ours.

02:51:58.680 And we have a more traditional political model, which is the dominion society.

02:52:02.840 And so Canada is kind of lucky there.

02:52:04.720 Cause there already is at least two choices of like things you could potentially get involved

02:52:08.920 with that are very different in their approaches.

02:52:11.380 So like, you know, pick, pick your, you know, choose your, uh, own adventure or whatever.

02:52:16.680 Right.

02:52:17.180 Um, we need more, like we need women's leagues. 1.00

02:52:22.580 We need clubs. 1.00

02:52:23.960 We need like, like, uh, business associations that are like, we need these things.

02:52:29.340 Um, so the, the answer to the question, what can we do to best steward this is, uh, well,

02:52:35.620 if you are a capable individual and that, you know, you're going to have to determine

02:52:39.280 with your own self-awareness, if you are a capable individual to actually, uh, do one

02:52:43.840 of these things is if you are particularly interested in something, then start an organization

02:52:48.300 and just actually like, don't like, I see this all the time.

02:52:52.720 People will start like a Twitter account in a telegram page and maybe make a website with

02:52:57.740 some, you know, I am X and X, you know, nationalist group.

02:53:01.740 And we advocate for, you know, A, B, and C, blah, blah.

02:53:05.500 And then they don't actually do the work beyond.

02:53:08.180 They're like, it's all, it's all fetishizing.

02:53:11.060 They've got to put something of value on the table, business management, marketing, open

02:53:15.820 a gym.

02:53:16.280 If you're able to find whatever your passions are, I guarantee you, there's a field of work

02:53:20.380 and tangible results that it, it, this is something real.

02:53:23.240 And the more that we have these things available, and we started to see it here in America as well,

02:53:26.760 because there's, there is millions of whites that as soon as you dangle a viable option 0.54

02:53:33.400 for nationalism in front of their face, that it kind of has the answers and the work is

02:53:37.240 kind of done, which is our job as revolutionaries.

02:53:39.760 And, you know, the first wave of nationalists, it's hard for us, but by the time we get there,

02:53:44.320 there will be tidal waves of people who join.

02:53:47.820 And then it's unstoppable.

02:53:49.320 The first, you know, decade or two of this work, especially comes from dudes who are kind

02:53:55.000 of crazy, you know, kind of like us, they're just like, well, we got, we literally have 0.94

02:53:58.240 to do this and it's going to suck for a while and it's going to be wild and ridiculous. 0.64

02:54:02.140 But once you get to a certain mass, you know, of this stuff, and there are easy, tangible

02:54:07.980 options for people to reach out and grab it and do stuff and just contribute and donate

02:54:11.780 to nationalism that is popular and big.

02:54:15.240 Oh my gosh, it's going to be, it's going to be like, oh, at that point, you really do

02:54:19.400 hit the overnight shift where that, you know, it's, you get this huge infusion of resources

02:54:24.180 and it's revolution, you know, um, exactly when that comes out, nobody predicts exactly,

02:54:29.600 but I mean, we're, we're a lot closer to it now than we were 10 years ago.

02:54:33.040 There is an interesting development that I have observed recently in recruiting.

02:54:37.700 Uh, a few weeks ago, I did three interviews back to back with potential recruits, uh, in

02:54:44.000 my area.

02:54:45.220 And, uh, the reason why this was so interesting and I'll look, if you've got a lot of you guys

02:54:50.200 have already heard this story as a story, but, um, what we discovered is that all, every

02:54:56.880 single one of these guys, you know, when, when they do the intake questions and stuff, we

02:55:01.580 ask them what their political views are.

02:55:03.260 I had libertarian, uh, conservative and center, right.

02:55:09.360 That was how they described their politics.

02:55:11.460 None of these guys were any of those things.

02:55:14.000 Yeah.

02:55:14.340 They were, they were all maybe those things at one point, like a year ago, but they're

02:55:19.660 now radical nationalists who understand the JQ who are aware of the truth surrounding his

02:55:27.680 like world war two revisionism.

02:55:29.380 And it, or at least that it's like the narrative that they were sold is, you know, highly propagandized.

02:55:35.440 Um, you know, they're, uh, completely, they, they're aware that the existing political parties

02:55:41.600 are not actually interested in providing them the solutions.

02:55:44.660 Like they get it, they get all of the essential components.

02:55:47.420 They're there.

02:55:48.500 They were all, like I said, they were all radicalized within the last year.

02:55:51.720 These guys live through COVID.

02:55:53.380 They live through the immigration. 1.00

02:55:54.800 They live through all of this stuff and now something has cracked where they were never

02:55:59.100 politically active.

02:55:59.980 And now they are.

02:56:01.280 Yeah.

02:56:02.120 This happened three, three times in a row in these interviews.

02:56:05.620 And so I mean, like, I was like, that's weird.

02:56:07.580 I'm like, I haven't experienced that before.

02:56:09.220 And I've done probably more interviews than anyone in the organization.

02:56:12.740 And so I immediately went to the other recruits.

02:56:15.200 I was like, are you guys seeing a similar trend?

02:56:17.000 And every single one of them was like, yes, the exact same thing is happening with us.

02:56:21.020 They, they call themselves libertarians and then like, they're not like, they may not

02:56:26.020 have even known the next option.

02:56:27.620 I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm hugely white filled about this.

02:56:30.000 There are people that are good people that they just don't necessarily know.

02:56:36.120 And to us, maybe that seems crazy because of how long we've been awakened and aware, but

02:56:40.140 there is a literal outcome in this world today while we are alive of this working and it being

02:56:49.000 this sweeping, you know, existence of power and security that we, we, we crave.

02:56:54.380 And it, it, it's there, you know, it's there.

02:56:57.060 I mean, like you say, I'm at these gyms, like everywhere you look, it's people who are like,

02:57:00.780 yeah, I agree with everything you're describing.

02:57:02.400 I just like, you know, I, I'm not a Nazi, but like, I agree with everything that you just

02:57:06.740 described.

02:57:07.040 It's like, yeah, well, that's good.

02:57:08.200 And you don't have to shove anything down their throat per se, but just once you take

02:57:11.440 enough power and it's popular, it all follows.

02:57:15.900 It all follows that it's, it reaches a critical mass.

02:57:17.820 It reaches a critical mass.

02:57:18.700 It's the same thing we've reflected in our recruiting too.

02:57:20.460 We see the same thing you just described.

02:57:22.300 Exactly.

02:57:22.820 And so I don't know exactly what that means in terms of what's going to happen over the

02:57:28.140 next year, but I can tell you like, this is new.

02:57:30.700 This, like I, that hasn't happened before.

02:57:33.140 I mean, we've been operating publicly for a year.

02:57:35.760 You know, we've had waves of recruits from, for different reasons.

02:57:39.500 They've never been like this.

02:57:40.700 And the majority of them are this now, the overwhelming majority of them are this now, because the guys

02:57:46.500 who were familiar with us were the first through the door.

02:57:49.200 Like they knew we were doing it and they got on board right away.

02:57:51.660 The guys who have known about this stuff for a long time, they got involved fairly quickly

02:57:56.160 once they were aware of our existence.

02:57:57.840 And then more jumped in again, aware of what was going on, but wanted to at least see, you

02:58:04.160 know, to see what the model was actually like and see us do something first before they like

02:58:07.840 jumped in.

02:58:08.500 And then a lot of it, like there was this period between, you know, in the last six months

02:58:14.260 to the last, you know, six months to the last two months where we were getting a lot of like

02:58:19.040 normie people who were not, like they weren't correct.

02:58:24.760 They were seeing what we were doing and they were making us, so they would see us protest,

02:58:29.400 say CBC, right?

02:58:30.440 The state broadcaster.

02:58:31.760 Right, right.

02:58:32.480 Everybody hates CBC.

02:58:33.820 So they would like apply and they don't actually know anything about it.

02:58:37.480 Yeah, they're not actually up to snuff, but it's still cool to see the pipeline start and

02:58:41.020 it keeps moving.

02:58:42.200 Yeah.

02:58:43.580 But these, this new wave, they do get it.

02:58:47.980 But the other interesting element is that they don't know anything about myself or, you

02:58:53.480 know, Jeremy, who's the president or the other public facing guys.

02:58:56.520 They don't know anything about that stuff.

02:58:58.780 They're just seeing, they're seeing what's happening in society and they're seeing, Hey, these

02:59:03.240 guys are actually responding to it directly and trying to organize guys.

02:59:07.560 And I want to do something.

02:59:08.780 So the club is succeeding in its own right.

02:59:11.440 It's not us promoting it anymore.

02:59:12.880 The club is promoting itself.

02:59:14.360 And these guys are finding it on their own after they've, you know, consumed TikTok edits

02:59:19.220 and Instagram reels and finally figured it out.

02:59:22.620 So there is a mass developing there that is very different to any, you know, one that's

02:59:28.720 exciting.

02:59:29.520 It's exciting.

02:59:30.220 It's a positive development.

02:59:31.680 It shows that people, normal people can get educated.

02:59:35.000 They can change for the better.

02:59:36.600 And that is typically tied to like a mass awakening.

02:59:38.940 It's not just individual.

02:59:39.840 It's a wave.

02:59:40.900 I'm excited to see it.

02:59:41.980 I'm glad to hear about it in Canada.

02:59:43.640 I'm excited to see it in America.

02:59:45.180 I want to see it.

02:59:46.040 You know, I'd love to see everything that happens in Australia for our people.

02:59:49.000 Everywhere that our race is, I want to celebrate that happening more and more.

02:59:53.760 And I would say overall we do.

02:59:55.920 There's maybe only a few places that aren't starting to experience that yet.

02:59:59.000 I know South Africa has its own troubles and whatnot.

03:00:02.220 But as a general rule, I think this pattern, I think it's going to get bigger.

03:00:06.360 Oh, I, I, well, I could tell you the reason that the state broadcaster released the article

03:00:14.280 they did today, which is basically like, like, I'm not going to get into the whole thing.

03:00:18.740 I'll talk about it on my next stream, but guys, they're doing, this is the same playbook

03:00:23.220 they ran in Australia four months ago that eventually led up to them passing the prohibited

03:00:28.300 hate group legislation in January.

03:00:30.460 They're, they're starting the same play.

03:00:32.440 And if you understand why they did that to the Australians, it's because it was working 0.99

03:00:36.460 and it was like, they didn't, they were losing control of the situation.

03:00:41.040 And so they hit like the, the big red button of like, just, you know, shut it down.

03:00:47.200 So like they're angling towards the same stuff here.

03:00:50.720 And, you know, there's only so much we can do about that, but the work goes on until something

03:00:55.860 happens.

03:00:56.260 Yeah.

03:00:56.400 We find ways.

03:00:57.180 And that is, that is true.

03:00:58.240 There are signs where they, they freak out because they're addressing the problems that

03:01:02.860 are actually functioning.

03:01:04.020 And a lot of that in recent history has been this, this sort of 3.0 model that is very authentic

03:01:08.920 and nationalism.

03:01:09.620 It's very, and it has people that are well adjusted in most cases and that are, we're

03:01:14.840 the families and businesses and really cool, really cool clothing and music and all this

03:01:18.780 stuff.

03:01:18.980 It's coming together to where it's, it's appealing to people who have even the remote, simple,

03:01:23.360 if they're anywhere near a good person of our species, they're going to drift this direction.

03:01:29.180 Yeah, absolutely.

03:01:33.100 But so to end on that, you know, cause we were talking about initially organizations and

03:01:38.900 why, you know, if you want to get on board with this awakening, the best thing you could

03:01:42.580 do is get involved with something.

03:01:44.140 You also need more people providing stuff.

03:01:46.740 And so I don't know, there's an interesting element where, you know, when people say like,

03:01:50.520 oh, what am I supposed to do?

03:01:51.580 I'm just an individual.

03:01:53.180 Like there's truth to that.

03:01:54.760 It's like, as an individual, like, honestly, like they can't really do that much.

03:01:58.860 Like they're not wrong.

03:02:00.440 Um, some individuals are exceptional and they can do a lot by themselves or they have

03:02:05.540 the ability to gather other individuals to them and then, you know, affect change.

03:02:09.500 But most people are not that person. 0.98

03:02:11.800 And so they're not like, it's easy to shit on them and be like, ah, like what a terrible 0.97

03:02:16.640 attitude. 0.97

03:02:17.040 Well, it is, but also they're right.

03:02:19.720 Like they don't, there, there's nothing being offered to them.

03:02:22.680 It's not that they're unwilling to do the work.

03:02:24.340 It's like, where do you want them to go?

03:02:26.300 Yeah.

03:02:26.780 What, what are they supposed to join?

03:02:28.400 Give them a work, give them work, give them a direction to go, provide that doorway.

03:02:32.740 A lot of people are going to walk right through it.

03:02:34.680 And it's going to happen in groups and organizations, groups and organizations.

03:02:38.780 It currently is not a failure of knowledge or awareness or willingness to fight or those

03:02:44.720 types of things.

03:02:45.540 It's a failure of leadership where people are not taking on leadership roles and then moving,

03:02:51.560 you know, people in the right direction.

03:02:52.740 And, oh, we're starting to overcome that obviously, but we like, we need more organizations that

03:02:58.060 serve different functions.

03:02:59.680 Um, uh, and obviously like, I don't know if we expand enough, like I'll start doing those

03:03:06.120 organizations internally, like those things that they would do internally within the club.

03:03:10.560 Like I'll just make a department, but yeah, I like that model a lot with, with department.

03:03:16.160 I mean, it, different areas, different needs, different structure, uh, for us in America

03:03:21.620 and in Patriot, that's worked well to open more specialized subgroups and, and, and departments

03:03:28.200 and divisions and, and, and, and delineate things that way, but still have a semi or fully

03:03:33.940 centralized power structure behind it has finally worked really well for us.

03:03:37.520 But I think for different countries, it'll probably look a little bit different, but it's,

03:03:41.120 it's a similar, similar pattern.

03:03:42.520 Absolutely.

03:03:44.440 All right.

03:03:44.860 Uh, Fred Rogers says, I wanted to take my red ensign and skate around a public outdoor

03:03:50.480 skating rink.

03:03:51.840 My daughter asked how flying the red ensign makes any difference.

03:03:55.340 How can I explain her, uh, to her that it does make a difference?

03:03:58.660 So if you're not familiar, I don't know if you're familiar with the red ensign, it's the

03:04:01.280 flag behind me there.

03:04:02.860 So this is Canada's first flag or one of the versions of its original flags, but there's

03:04:08.920 multiple versions that they all have the same kind of concept.

03:04:12.520 Um, and it's what we use because like, I don't know if you've ever seen this, but the coat

03:04:18.940 of arms, that's Canada's coat of arms, which is, I have seen that before.

03:04:21.920 Actually we have, uh, um, there's a couple of guys in PF that have family in Canada and

03:04:26.400 they, yeah.

03:04:27.100 Okay.

03:04:27.360 Okay.

03:04:27.580 Here we go.

03:04:27.880 So, you know, English lion, Scottish lion, uh, you know, French fleur-de-lis and Irish

03:04:32.760 harp of Aaron, right?

03:04:33.720 Yes.

03:04:34.140 Yes.

03:04:35.020 Those are the founding stock that made Canadian ethnicity.

03:04:38.500 Like the, like Canadian is an ethnicity.

03:04:40.540 It is a, a lot of people don't even know this.

03:04:42.620 It is a recognized ethnicity and that's what it's referring to.

03:04:45.760 Yes.

03:04:46.060 Um, so, um, the reason we use this flag is because they kind of handed us a uniquely powerful

03:04:52.480 cultural symbol when they removed it as the flag and hoisted like a corporate logo instead.

03:04:57.520 So we were very similar in America, very, very similar story.

03:05:01.880 Yeah.

03:05:02.240 Yeah.

03:05:02.500 We're kind of blessed that way.

03:05:03.540 Like you guys do a similar thing, right?

03:05:05.020 You use the, the Betsy Ross flag, you use the original 13 colonies. 0.81

03:05:09.740 We have the Chevron, which is our distinct.

03:05:11.760 And then sometimes you'll see the, uh, the bars, the stars and battle flag from, uh, from

03:05:15.780 Southern heritage, which I deeply love it.

03:05:17.680 There's a lot though.

03:05:18.540 The hair, the heraldry of nations is, is, um, powerful and knowing about the founding

03:05:23.760 stock of the, of the Americas of Canada and even to some degree, some of the Southern

03:05:28.400 American stuff is loosely connecting, you know, Spain and Portugal.

03:05:31.540 But, but for us as the, as an Anglo sphere, you know, that is like, we have access to really

03:05:38.760 strong, awesome national heritage.

03:05:42.120 That is right there.

03:05:43.960 You know, it's, it's, it's very usable and true.

03:05:47.800 It's like one of the best example, like Patriot front is obviously Thomas is genius with this

03:05:53.260 stuff.

03:05:53.560 Like he, like he clearly has an eye towards the aesthetic and like, uh, in what, I don't

03:05:57.740 know how much input or help he had from other guys, but from what I understand, he did a

03:06:02.360 lot of the, like the branding for lack of a better term for Patriot front and the, the

03:06:06.880 designs and the aesthetics and, uh, you know, tapping into the fascists was obviously genius.

03:06:12.500 Um, architecture everywhere.

03:06:14.700 Yeah.

03:06:14.900 It's one of the oldest, like people don't even realize it.

03:06:17.580 It's one of the oldest American symbols.

03:06:19.180 It's been there the entire time.

03:06:20.640 Yeah, before, before Italy really last, I mean, it obviously comes from Italian history

03:06:25.660 and Rome, but there are so many connections and European symbology and that now in American

03:06:31.600 and it's beautiful.

03:06:32.940 And we are, we're sitting on a treasure trove of it.

03:06:35.580 And when we really tap into it and become aware, those positive results follow.

03:06:41.660 Absolutely.

03:06:42.180 So, but to answer, uh, Fred's question there about taking his red ensign out on the rink

03:06:47.580 and, uh, you know, getting some footage, but like the, there's two things that I think

03:06:53.540 I would say is the first is that, um, this may be difficult for your, I don't know how

03:06:58.920 old your daughter is, but, uh, this might be difficult for her to understand.

03:07:02.560 But the simple reality is that in order for us to win, and I've explained this to people

03:07:07.720 before the red ensign replacing, like being restored as the, you know, official flag of

03:07:15.020 the country.

03:07:15.620 And, you know, like it's the symbolic date of the beginning of the revolution in Canada

03:07:21.480 is 1965, February 15th, 1965.

03:07:25.640 And the symbolic end date of the counter revolution is going to be when we take that flag down and

03:07:30.640 we put up the flag of the original nation, you know, and the symbol of the counter revolution,

03:07:35.960 which is the red ensign.

03:07:37.880 And so there is a practical physical aspect of like the more people who fly these flags,

03:07:44.620 it's like, we're getting closer to that goal of putting that flag back in the place that

03:07:49.720 it needs to be.

03:07:50.580 So the more people who fly it individually, you're taking, there's a reason why, you know,

03:07:56.200 operation ensign is a promotional kind of thing around the red ensign that I started.

03:08:00.540 And the slogan for it is millions must fly, you know, the playoff millions must die.

03:08:06.840 And it's true. 0.56

03:08:07.880 Like legitimately, if we want to win in this country, millions of people need to fly the

03:08:12.400 red ensign.

03:08:12.920 It's the consensus symbol of a nationalist movement in Canada.

03:08:17.920 The household name and you see it everywhere you go on businesses.

03:08:21.080 Yeah.

03:08:21.660 Yeah.

03:08:21.860 You need people to fly it.

03:08:23.480 So that's one way you could try and explain it to her.

03:08:26.540 The other way is that small symbols of resistance can be extremely powerful.

03:08:31.700 And like,

03:08:32.040 they grow,

03:08:33.000 they grow,

03:08:33.700 they did start somewhere.

03:08:34.840 Everything starts somewhere and just stay consistent with it.

03:08:37.840 Stay consistent and smart with it.

03:08:39.140 I'm trying to think of a good European, I can think of a good modern example of it, but it's, 0.97

03:08:49.240 you know, an Arabic one.

03:08:51.420 A lot of people don't even know, like the, there was a catalyst moment that started the

03:08:56.360 Arab spring.

03:08:57.040 And like, I'm not going to get into whether or not it was a color revolution or whatever.

03:09:00.820 Like, you know, I'm just going to take it for what it was at face value for this example.

03:09:07.600 But what kicked off the Arab spring, which was basically mass demonstrations and, you know,

03:09:13.020 government overthrows in seven different, you know, Middle East and North African countries

03:09:18.700 was actually a fruit cart seller in Tunisia.

03:09:22.140 And he got so fed up with the corruption and having to constantly bribe officials and just

03:09:29.100 the, the injustice that he was faced with on a daily basis that he went outside of the

03:09:35.000 courtroom and he set himself on fire.

03:09:37.140 And like that, like, obviously that's a pretty, you know, like, look, I'm not saying flying

03:09:42.420 the red edge, but the point is that one act set off like a chain reaction that led to

03:09:49.720 mass demonstrations and in some cases, overthrows of governments in seven different countries.

03:09:56.340 Yeah.

03:09:56.500 These small things can have huge impacts.

03:09:59.500 Yeah.

03:09:59.820 You never, you never know exactly which one it will be or how it will take shape, but it's

03:10:03.860 worth doing.

03:10:04.920 One bullet started world war one.

03:10:08.820 Right.

03:10:10.000 Yeah.

03:10:12.300 So, um, you know, like, uh, think about, um,

03:10:18.300 um,

03:10:19.720 how different the world is if, uh, well, I'm not, I'm not going to say that because I'll

03:10:24.880 have the conspiracy theories up and down my throat about it.

03:10:29.620 Um, so yeah, I'll just, uh, leave it at that.

03:10:33.660 Small, small actions are important.

03:10:35.940 Um, whether it's training or doing, posting a meme, like there is an element of critical

03:10:41.260 mass to this.

03:10:41.960 It's just, yeah, being animated.

03:10:44.300 And, and frankly too, sorry, I'm just trying to find where I was with the chats.

03:10:48.580 So I'll just keep talking about this for a second, but we recently did an action in

03:10:54.280 Ottawa.

03:10:54.660 And the reason that it went over so well in the propaganda, wasn't the reason we were

03:11:00.560 there.

03:11:00.880 And it wasn't the actual public action.

03:11:03.480 It was the skating element.

03:11:04.940 We had a few of our guys on the canal flying flags, and it was that image of them flying

03:11:10.540 the flags that went everywhere.

03:11:12.320 It wasn't the us with the banner with like the huge flags and the, the, you know, flags

03:11:17.080 on poles and all in a line that didn't go viral.

03:11:19.840 It was the dudes just skating on the rink with an, uh, on the canal with an ensign.

03:11:24.860 So simple things like that.

03:11:27.780 Like we saw this as well during the convoy, like some guy just ripping, you know, down

03:11:33.480 the side of the road on a skidoo with a flag flying behind him, it would go viral everywhere.

03:11:39.260 There's the importance of just these little things that people find joy in, uh, that I

03:11:44.680 honestly, I'm starting to think they're probably more powerful than political messaging,

03:11:48.280 which they can be, it's that joy and catharsis too.

03:11:51.860 Yeah.

03:11:53.040 Uh, Fanny Schroet there. 1.00

03:11:54.360 I found my spot there.

03:11:55.380 Uh, said, Oh slash.

03:11:56.720 Thanks Fanny.

03:11:57.840 Um, I think we're winding down here. 0.97

03:12:00.320 Uh, Zaniel said tins of corned beef, proceed grenades, hang your head in shame. 0.99

03:12:05.020 Now you meathead. 1.00

03:12:05.900 Okay.

03:12:06.040 Now I know what he's talking about.

03:12:07.640 He's talking about war crimes that Canadians used to commit in world war one.

03:12:10.780 Um, so they would, they would throw your reference.

03:12:14.820 Oh, you mean putting bombs in food to lure somebody into, uh, I think in some cases they

03:12:20.460 might've done that, but the example is more, they would, they created a pat, they basically

03:12:25.200 Pavlovian conditioning where they just started throwing cans of food to the Germans every

03:12:31.240 morning.

03:12:31.980 Yeah.

03:12:32.440 And so, you know, the Germans would come running out to grab the kid.

03:12:36.320 Like they're at this point in the war, they're like, they're really rationing.

03:12:40.100 Yeah.

03:12:40.500 And so, you know, they would throw them for a few days and then they would, you know,

03:12:44.720 on the whatever fifth day, they would throw a couple and the Germans would come out to 0.87

03:12:48.820 grab them.

03:12:49.420 And then they would, then they hucked them.

03:12:51.740 Yeah.

03:12:52.140 It was ambush time.

03:12:52.840 Yeah.

03:12:53.100 Yeah.

03:12:53.220 I've heard about stuff like that on all sides.

03:12:54.900 And then especially world war one, there was so much trench warfare.

03:12:57.440 What an obscure reference for this guy to have on tap.

03:13:00.120 I don't know.

03:13:00.960 It's like, uh, it's kind of like a Canadian thing.

03:13:03.660 Like, like, you know, the Geneva, I forget what it was, but a lot of the, the Geneva

03:13:08.800 conventions, uh, that were added after world war one, directly Canadians.

03:13:15.520 Y'all were out there just figuring out every way to win the war.

03:13:23.580 There are some for Americans too.

03:13:26.380 Like, um, I was going to say the trench gun was one.

03:13:30.180 Yeah.

03:13:30.420 I'm a history of warfare is that I don't want to dismiss the suffering of our European ancestors

03:13:36.000 in war, but I'm not about to get unseated by some Spurgass comment on it. 0.71

03:13:40.300 Yeah.

03:13:41.920 Oh, he's not, uh, trying to like, he's doing his, uh, Canadian thing there.

03:13:47.480 I don't know.

03:13:48.520 I don't know what he's doing, frankly, but no, it's, uh, like, yeah, world war one was awful.

03:13:55.200 And I mean, there's obviously in any situation like that, you find moments of valor and honor

03:14:02.660 and all these things, but at the end of the day, it was pointless bloodshed.

03:14:06.760 Yeah.

03:14:07.140 Well, I wish it hadn't happened, but it did.

03:14:09.460 And we'll learn from it and we'll, um, I'll admire my people's tenacity, even, even in

03:14:14.560 the worst lights, if I can.

03:14:15.940 Uh, sir, Supreme gifted 10 subscriptions.

03:14:20.620 Thanks so much, man.

03:14:21.640 I really appreciate that.

03:14:22.820 And then I think we're almost done here.

03:14:25.220 Um, uh, Zainal said, Zainal back again says we are the maple syrup Geneva, uh, Geneva checklist

03:14:33.400 people.

03:14:34.040 Yeah.

03:14:34.280 I mean, we're, we're a long way from what we were at Vimy Ridge and the Psalm and Passchendaele

03:14:41.080 as a people.

03:14:42.260 So, I mean, look, yeah, I, I'm, I love knowing our history and I love taking pride in it, but

03:14:47.220 there's way too many people who play into these tropes that don't embody them at all.

03:14:53.580 Yeah.

03:14:54.700 Yeah.

03:14:54.900 Um, you'll see, I mean, you'll see this, I'm sure you can think of examples with this

03:14:59.060 in America or you'll see some, like the people we were describing earlier, they're just absolutely,

03:15:04.440 you know, destroying themselves.

03:15:07.140 And then there'll be, you know, talking about, I don't know, you know, how they kicked the 0.99

03:15:13.800 British's ass or something. 1.00

03:15:15.200 Like we, we sent you back to your fucking Island or some shit like that. 1.00

03:15:19.220 And it's like, yeah, yeah, exactly. 0.99

03:15:23.320 And George Washington, I mean, even in that vein of thought, it's like, he did not take

03:15:26.800 pleasure from what, what turned into an Anglo-Saxon civil war.

03:15:31.700 Um, he was very loyal to the crown up until their situation played out, but it was, there

03:15:37.380 was going to be strife and he made decisions that he thought were right.

03:15:39.940 And he, he founded a nation with it and I venerate him very much, but it's not like I,

03:15:43.820 I'm not sitting here supporting any or celebrating any kind of death of, of British whom I love

03:15:49.280 deeply.

03:15:49.600 My family's really, you know, his family lines back that way.

03:15:52.240 There's a, it's fascinating to study history, no matter what though.

03:15:54.760 Yeah, absolutely.

03:15:56.640 Um, yeah, it's the same with, uh, like Canadians do this stuff too.

03:16:04.640 And it's like, um, like I, I find this funny cause can a, a lot, the earliest Anglo stock 0.66

03:16:12.800 in Canada or the majority of the early Anglo stock in what is now lower Ontario, uh, Southern

03:16:18.640 Ontario or was upper Canada, they're Americans. 0.90

03:16:22.120 Yeah.

03:16:22.600 Yeah.

03:16:22.840 I know it was, uh, so I actually had a family branch that were provincials.

03:16:26.080 They were servants of the crown in the revolutionary war and I'm pretty sure all of them died, but

03:16:30.960 I do know that a lot of provincials at the end of that conflict left the colonies and they

03:16:37.040 went North, they went up North into Canada and British Columbia.

03:16:39.700 And that was a huge, and these are people of amazing stock.

03:16:42.300 I mean, there was not like a, I really don't like it when people, you know, look at, at

03:16:46.540 one side of one of the, of these major European wars and they're like, oh, well, these guys

03:16:50.800 stuck in these guys.

03:16:51.380 And I'm like, man, we have had amazing people on both sides of every conflict that our race

03:16:55.920 has been involved in.

03:16:56.800 And there's a lot of history and stories there of quality where they, they traveled and moved

03:17:01.120 somewhere else.

03:17:01.540 It led to different outcomes.

03:17:04.100 And that is very refreshing to hear from someone.

03:17:06.880 Cause I harp on about this all the time, particularly in the Canadian American context.

03:17:11.920 Uh, I think that doesn't PF have a slogan.

03:17:14.360 It's, is it revolution is our tradition.

03:17:16.960 Yeah.

03:17:17.880 Yeah.

03:17:18.520 See, like, I agree.

03:17:19.880 This is like an obvious point.

03:17:21.700 Like that is your tradition.

03:17:22.820 That is your mythos, your founding story.

03:17:27.040 Correct.

03:17:28.020 Um, Canada's founding mythos comes from the same war and it's loyalty to tradition.

03:17:33.820 Yeah.

03:17:34.720 So the, the motto of Ontario, where those, uh, American loyalists moved to after the war

03:17:40.540 is loyal.

03:17:41.640 She began loyal.

03:17:42.700 She remains.

03:17:43.800 It's a beautiful motto.

03:17:44.940 I get, I'm, I'm very, I'm very like, uh, I'm very pro, I'm very pro England.

03:17:50.580 I'm very pro Canada.

03:17:51.400 I'm very, I'm, I'm, I'm pro, uh, British empire, you know, and to some degree pro crown, but

03:17:55.760 I'm American.

03:17:56.800 And I follow the tradition of the forefathers that I have and I celebrate that.

03:18:00.400 And I thought I follow Patriot front.

03:18:01.720 I follow Thomas Rousseau, but that doesn't remove my love for my ancestry on, on different

03:18:06.340 sides of these conflicts.

03:18:07.240 And I, I'm fiercely, fiercely a proponent of defending all of our brethren and all of

03:18:12.980 our cousins on, on any side of this thing. 0.99

03:18:14.940 I won't tolerate somebody making weird comments about like, Oh, French people are pussies or 1.00

03:18:19.920 like, Oh, the, the British suck. 1.00

03:18:21.440 It's like, that does a nonsensical for any of this to have even happened. 0.99

03:18:25.400 If you want to glorify, um, and I, and I do, I love the founding fathers and the, and

03:18:29.580 the American stock, like, but for that to even be justified as a, as a magnificent, strong

03:18:33.700 thing, they had to have very challenging, difficult opponents.

03:18:36.500 And that just so happened to be also where we came from.

03:18:39.440 And it doesn't mean everybody was right or wrong at every point.

03:18:41.900 It's just, this is history and we need to treasure it and respect it.

03:18:46.340 And, and I, I can't, again, I just, I don't tolerate people around me making weird snide

03:18:50.640 comments about any part of the European diaspora.

03:18:52.840 I won't do it because all of it is filled with, with, I mean, with glory.

03:18:56.500 It's, and you'll hear people say things about, Oh, Canadians are too polite.

03:18:59.240 I'm like, Oh, so courtesy is a flaw.

03:19:01.060 Like what, and it's called articulation and self-control.

03:19:03.560 Like what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you

03:19:04.880 Yeah.

03:19:05.340 Yeah.

03:19:05.660 Yeah.

03:19:05.900 They're not as polite as they may have once been.

03:19:07.900 I mean, it's weird because you see the, the hostility between Americans and Canadians

03:19:13.220 going on right now has nothing to the nationalists on both sides have nothing to do with that.

03:19:17.660 No.

03:19:18.020 Yeah.

03:19:18.240 It's not coming from those camps.

03:19:20.300 It's coming from like the, the normie conservatives and liberals.

03:19:24.220 It just wound them up with all and terrorists.

03:19:28.460 That's exactly what it is.

03:19:29.600 Yeah.

03:19:29.780 It's just like, what, what is wrong with you people?

03:19:32.760 Um, but yeah, this is the, the point I like to, you know, drive home with guys is that,

03:19:38.160 you know, uh, revolution against tyranny is, uh, is virtuous, uh, rebellion against just

03:19:45.740 authority is not.

03:19:47.020 And there's a fine line between those things.

03:19:48.880 It was very fine line.

03:19:49.960 And it got, it got messy during the foundation of both these countries.

03:19:54.560 And again, I, I see some good and some bad on both sides, but I'm rather than me trying

03:19:59.240 to pick and choose whatever I, as an individual think is perfect.

03:20:02.580 I'm proud to follow in the ancestry that I have.

03:20:06.040 That's what it's, it's destiny.

03:20:07.140 It's where I was born.

03:20:08.000 It's what I need to do.

03:20:08.780 It's where I'm qualified to work.

03:20:09.960 It's what's going to happen.

03:20:10.960 But that doesn't reduce my deep admiration and respect for what happened on the other

03:20:16.180 side.

03:20:16.560 And that it's valid.

03:20:17.740 And that's the case in all brother wars that there was, there was, uh, incredible things

03:20:24.080 on both sides.

03:20:24.880 And, and honestly, we wish a lot of that stuff hadn't happened at all, but here we are, you

03:20:28.780 know, here we are in history.

03:20:30.020 And this is in the same way that, you know, revolution against tyranny is just and rebellion

03:20:37.040 against just authority is, you know, basically just anarchism and destructive, you know, loyalty,

03:20:43.800 you know, to fatherland tradition, heritage, et cetera.

03:20:47.240 Yeah.

03:20:47.540 That's a virtuous thing.

03:20:48.920 Being loyal to an abuser or an oppressor is not like, that's just, that's, um, that's

03:20:55.740 not a virtue.

03:20:58.920 Somebody who's actively trying to do you hard.

03:21:01.000 But so like, you could see how both of, on both of these sides, you could see what would

03:21:05.120 have played out and they're just, they're trying to make your ancestors made the decision

03:21:09.360 they thought was best.

03:21:10.520 Exactly.

03:21:11.060 They did what they thought they had to.

03:21:12.600 They, they played with the, with the options that they had in front of them and not all of

03:21:15.940 them, you can't see the future, you know, like it's, it's, they made those decisions

03:21:21.840 for the right reasons, even if they were wrong, maybe they were misguided, but they made those

03:21:26.960 decisions because they thought that was what was best and what was honorable or what was

03:21:30.680 necessary.

03:21:31.820 Exactly.

03:21:32.340 And I, I support the ancestors and the forefathers.

03:21:34.700 I mean, we got plenty of enemies in the world.

03:21:36.320 We're never in a shortage of that.

03:21:38.680 And I, I, you'll never catch me bad mouthing my forefather because I've got, again, so many

03:21:45.180 other enemies and it's not my place to show any kind of, of like, uh, this loyalty to my

03:21:52.580 bloodline, to any outsider that they're not going to hear me or, you know, or even amongst

03:21:56.540 our own people, there will be no encouragement of that kind of thing.

03:21:59.520 These people are all part of a heroic legacy that sometimes includes tragedy and hardship,

03:22:05.780 but that's what it is.

03:22:07.740 Absolutely.

03:22:09.380 All right, man.

03:22:10.040 I think we've, we've done all of the super chats.

03:22:13.480 I'll just take a quick scroll just to make sure I didn't miss anything.

03:22:17.340 But, uh, if I didn't, uh, we've been going for a good chunk of time.

03:22:22.120 Like that was, that was great.

03:22:23.720 Honestly, that was a lot of fun.

03:22:25.920 So yeah, good timing.

03:22:29.480 I am about to have to go handle some things this evening before my phone's on.

03:22:34.740 Do not disturb that I'm checking that, that, but, um, yeah, I think we got everything.

03:22:44.420 So any final thoughts there, Norman?

03:22:48.320 And a great, great show.

03:22:49.980 Great progression of points.

03:22:51.240 All of it.

03:22:51.860 Extremely positive.

03:22:52.660 Really cool to talk about cultural stuff and mental stuff and stuff.

03:22:56.620 That's a very foundational level that all of us use in our different countries, you know,

03:23:01.440 all the things that we go through and, um, yeah, really cool final notes on, on a little

03:23:05.300 bit of history of, of Canada and some shared legacy and heritage.

03:23:09.260 And, um, what I will work very hard to ensure stays as a legacy of love and respect and honor

03:23:15.060 across the foundation of, of the Anglo sphere of the Anglo-Saxon nations.

03:23:19.120 Absolutely.

03:23:20.520 Uh, and one just came in, Jack, the Cripper, uh, just says hail Norman.

03:23:25.220 Hey, I know Jack.

03:23:26.320 I have really good conversations with Jack routinely.

03:23:28.700 A lot of times about Odinism.

03:23:30.420 Um, hopefully we can make it out to American muscle too here soon.

03:23:35.980 Uh, it's those events though.

03:23:37.980 Like from what I've seen of those events, the frontier events, they look awesome.

03:23:41.840 Um, you know, like those are some of the things that were an inspiration.

03:23:45.320 I like, I want to do that.

03:23:46.800 Like I want to do that in Canada.

03:23:48.200 That looks awesome.

03:23:49.260 Um, and then we did, we started doing it.

03:23:51.220 So we had our first nationals and we had a, we had an element of that and just keep improving.

03:23:55.820 I'd love to visit Canada one day.

03:23:57.300 If they'll let me in, I've got all kinds of blocks on my passport, but we're, we're going

03:24:00.940 to work on it.

03:24:02.220 I don't get like, uh, look, I get why I government, our government won't let you guys in and not like, 1.00

03:24:08.860 I'm sorry, it doesn't make sense, but like our, our government is the one that is supposed

03:24:14.560 to be the crazy liberal, you know, Tommy weirdos, your government's talking about remigration

03:24:20.360 and posting, you know, ice memes on the white house account. 0.96

03:24:24.580 Yeah.

03:24:25.040 I can't, I can't get in the country.

03:24:26.640 I'm still a domestic extremist.

03:24:28.060 Like what's going on?

03:24:28.820 Like fix that.

03:24:29.840 We're work.

03:24:30.340 We're working on, I think, I think we're slowly getting there in a roundabout way with

03:24:33.940 some of the admin changes here.

03:24:35.240 It's not, we don't control it yet, but maybe some breathing room.

03:24:38.080 We've gotten some guys that can travel a little more.

03:24:40.540 Whatever zoomer is running that, whatever department of Homeland security account, let

03:24:47.160 me in doc.

03:24:50.180 All right.

03:24:51.740 Uh, thanks again, Norman.

03:24:53.380 That was a lot of fun.

03:24:54.760 And, uh, I'd love to have you back on maybe, uh, in a little while, uh, to talk more.

03:24:59.420 Cause I didn't feel like we could have gone on a lot more different topics.

03:25:02.320 So yeah, I appreciate it very much.

03:25:06.380 Thank you.

03:25:07.280 Best of luck with Patriot front.

03:25:09.560 Keep working on it.

03:25:10.540 All right, guys.

03:25:11.120 I'll talk to everybody later.

03:25:12.960 Hey, oh, Columbia.

03:25:15.120 Farewell.

03:25:15.780 Cheers, man.

03:25:16.340 All right, guys.

03:25:20.360 Uh, we'll wrap it up there.

03:25:23.100 Uh, sneer says this has been so refreshing.

03:25:25.500 Yeah, that was a, a different one for sure.

03:25:28.600 And, uh, I re I really personally liked that.

03:25:30.860 So if you guys didn't tough pity, but, uh, I liked it.

03:25:35.540 Um, I'll, uh, wrap up here, uh, boiling frogs says, I don't believe that most Quebecers have

03:25:44.260 feather genes in them.

03:25:45.280 A lot of them do.

03:25:46.940 A lot of them do.

03:25:50.400 But, uh, I don't, man, you're talking about a tiny percentage.

03:25:55.740 Like, I wouldn't worry about it the same way.

03:25:59.940 A lot of Spaniards have a tiny amount of whatever, uh, North African DNA in them.

03:26:04.160 It's like, does that really matter?

03:26:06.320 Um, you know, it is what it is, but Hey, if I'm wrong, if somebody has the stats on that,

03:26:12.100 then it is what it is.

03:26:13.900 Um, all right.

03:26:15.080 Maybe I shouldn't have even answered that.

03:26:16.520 I shouldn't have just left it where it is, but you guys seem to be enjoying the guest

03:26:20.900 streams right now.

03:26:22.480 Tentatively.

03:26:23.020 I've got one for next Tuesday, but it's going to have to happen.

03:26:28.120 I believe at three 30 in the afternoon.

03:26:32.520 And the reason, or sorry, maybe three in the afternoon.

03:26:35.720 And the reason is because we're getting Steve laws on.

03:26:40.340 So unfortunately the timing is a little crappy because obviously the UK is five hours ahead

03:26:46.340 and then our daylight savings changes on Sunday and the UK's doesn't change until the end of

03:26:53.980 March.

03:26:54.380 So we're going to be, uh, you know, six hours time difference, right?

03:26:59.380 Oh, maybe I should check that.

03:27:02.520 Um, I don't know either.

03:27:04.200 It's going to be, if it's six hours difference, then if we start at nine, his time, then we

03:27:10.020 got to start at three our time.

03:27:11.380 So, um, if it's four hours and I'm just, you know, what I'm tired, I'm not doing time

03:27:17.340 math at this point.

03:27:18.680 Um, then it'll be at five or something, uh, but that's the plan.

03:27:24.460 Again, I'll, uh, get that confirmed and, you know, I's dotted and T's crossed, uh, over

03:27:30.580 the next couple of days and put something out.

03:27:32.980 Uh, yeah.

03:27:38.880 Other than that, thanks everybody for the support.

03:27:41.500 Uh, that was a fun one and, uh, yeah, I'm going to keep trying to get guests, but guys

03:27:46.440 who are organizing, um, I'm not the, look, if you've got guys, you want to suggest that

03:27:51.820 they're involved with legitimate, um, you know, IRL organizations, movements, or if they're

03:27:59.080 just, you know, well-known, uh, or, uh, not, not even well-known necessarily, but, um, effective

03:28:06.600 and, um, uh, determined activists or something like that, I will work on it.

03:28:15.860 Okay.

03:28:17.760 Uh, have a good night, everybody.

03:28:19.040 Enjoy the rest of your week.

03:28:19.920 And, uh, I should be back on Saturday.

03:28:23.360 Cheers.

The Daily Toll with Norman PF

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