The Daily Toll with Rob Rundo
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Length
4 hours and 6 minutes
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169.30989
Hate Speech Sentences
342
Summary
We could be a family, Met her in the crowd at a right wing rally, No cats classy, body like an athlete, From the way she acted, I knew she won the fascist. No hits to faggot. No weak faggots.
Transcript
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Joining us on, but they still march in spirit with us
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See over the streets, the white bronze emblem is waving
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Get your best two powers, red fronts and mass reaction
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See over the streets, the white bronze emblem is waving
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From the way she acted, I knew she wasn't a fascist
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From the way she acted, I knew she wasn't a fascist
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From the way she acted, I knew she wasn't a fascist
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So, anything that comes in after this, I'm holding it till the end just so that we're not going off on tangents that we don't need to or whatever.
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white guy who grew up amongst blacks and such like this can you you know maybe bring a little white
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pride can you say white pride during one of your songs or something like this and co-opt him into
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our movement but instead the right at that time period tried the tactic of prohibition which
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prohibition doesn't work you can't just stand outside and say don't do this without offering
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something else right that's why america is a communist uh you know it is what it is today
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it's because the 1960s because the right at the time in the 1960s when the hippie revolution was
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going on when woodstock was going on what did they do they just wag their fingers and thought it was
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nothing they said oh it's a bunch of smelly hippies you know you'll never get a real job you'll never
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do this but those smelly hippies from woodstock that were in the fields grew up they got jobs
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they got careers and they took those ideals that they got from their youth from the music from the
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counterculture they took that with them and now they're the judges that sentenced me to prison
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you know what i mean exactly um music all this stuff is that it's it's extremely important and
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i know you know we talked specifically about rap a lot of guys yeah i i get it but it is i mean you go
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into a gym today you go into a bar today you go basically you could go in whole foods and they're
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playing rap music so it is you know a big mode of um cultural influence the nationalist rap like the
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the songs that you played the saxon and no face nate both those are will to rise artists
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we also played the hardcore will to rise artists and made the song will to rise so again we we try to
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all creative artists out there we reach out to and try to get them on the team but um
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you know you gotta you gotta get it some way so thomas sewell said something similar to criticisms
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directed at saxon regarding their nationals documentary that they put out or their their
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winter nationals documentary that they put out which was our summer um yeah they got a lot of
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criticism for having a rap element to their uh you know music thing that they put on during their
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nationals event and he said like look you know all the people that complain about it they're not coming to
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me with you know they're saying you need a folk artist it's like well are you a folk artist like
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where's the folk artist they're coming to me and they're saying we need a rock guy and it's like
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well you are you the rock where's the rock guy so like don't like if you're not going to provide
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the alternative or you can't point me in the direction of alter an alternative don't complain
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about what we have that's available because otherwise what do you what do you want us to do
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like just not have so anyways uh yeah no uh i dude i've been saying that for you and we've put out
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like multiple things like hey you're like i've had some guy he made like a whole podcast like losing
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his mind basically about the fact that we did some rap songs and um he was like why you know why can't
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you just do like mozart and such like this i just said you know listen we all want to turn back the
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hands of time dog but this is where we're at and we don't have any submissions nobody's sending us any
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classical music the the hardcore bands that had that that sent us something we used and you know
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i'll tell you a story like this is just how i came up with the idea to use something like hip-hop or you
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know to use rap music white national rap or whatever besides from seeing it in eastern europe the polish
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hooligan scene which puts on the polish independence day march which is the biggest nationalist event in
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in in modern history there is no bigger event than the polish independence day march which stems which
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was started by polish hooligans it was started by autonomous nationalists which those guys all i mean
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it was a big hooligan rap element that played a part in that and especially in the early creation but
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the second story i'll just go into i was at casa pound years ago this is back in the days of ram it was
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after we did we went out to germany ukraine a long time ago and we were there and all of a sudden
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there was all these young people showing up at casa found out a hostel at the time in rome
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and there's like chicks there there's young guys there there's all these people right and we're
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staying at the hospital and i i go to the guy at the front door the security guy say you know what's
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what's going on tonight you know like there's like all these people showing up here he goes oh we're
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having a rap concert you know i said i was like a rap concert that's interesting i i was like explain
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this to me and he goes well they could either come here to casa pound and listen to some fascist rap or
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the youth can go down the street and listen to some you know negro talking about doing xanax and uh you
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know drive-bys and all this so we could either give them a place where we have the lyrics that we
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want them to listen to we put a fascist spin on you know we do our own thing or they could go up the
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street and listen to it somewhere else but the majority of the youth today that like the majority
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are in some way have i mean yeah i mean it just is what it is that the youth today so many i mean again
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you go into every bar every restaurant every gym it's being played in the background they're exposed to
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it so it would be better if the you know if it's white nationalists and also i would even argue
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not to go on a rant but even i would even argue that the iliad was told in rhythm
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with musical entrance instruments in the background so rhyming word to a beat in the background i mean
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that's a very old european tradition all those stories the iliad the odyssey beowulf these were all
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spoken tales before they were written down so you know it holds it holds true of a lot of celtic folk
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too i mean it's it has more melody and it's um obviously uh played on traditional instruments but
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if you like go listen to the star of the county down that is he's rapping it it's not singing it's
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speaking very quickly and melodically so um i'll say i'll say one more thing about it too the same
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people who are complaining about you know you may be complaining about the rap and you're not
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complaining about screwdriver right because i played a screwdriver song that was the first one i played
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nobody's complaining about that the you know nationalist types of that time period would have been saying
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the same thing about that and what what was screwdriver doing they were co-opting rock and roll and punk
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rock uh you know in hardcore or what however you want to think about it into something that channeled
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it towards white nationalism or white identitarianism whatever you want to think about it so like this
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is just something that repeats and then you know 30 years later nobody's complaining about screwdrivers so
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it's just like yes no well same thing with with graffiti i remember when when we dropped the first ram
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video this is like 2016. you know there wasn't really many guys in europe people were doing it
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but in the angles scene people weren't utilizing graffiti as a mode of of propaganda or of media
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and when we did it so many people were like yo this is ghetto this is you know can i first can i drop
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and bombs i could drop the n bomb whatever you want man okay all right they're like yo this is nigger
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shit you know doing graffiti and all this now first off the modern street today is already
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filled with trash it's already mcdonald's ads fucking kfc home some homosexual anti-aids propaganda you
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know what i mean the streets are already destroyed it's not like guy it's not like we went tagged on
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the coliseum you know i mean the streets that we did our graffiti on were streets that would it's already
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a wasteland you know what i mean but we had the same thing people were like oh graffiti this is uh
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you know niggerish this is this this is that but today graffiti is now like widely accepted i
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actually don't hear any criticisms anymore of it i would even go as far as to say when we did the
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first ran video with the working out with the training and such like this we had plenty of
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like richard spencer types like oh what does this do for the movement okay you and your friends are
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working out at the park what is this got to do you know why aren't you naming the jew you know you're
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just playing uh some guys and working out what does this have to do you know so there's always
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criticism when things first happen and just like you mentioned before with the rock and roll you could
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go look online and you could find um clansmen that were had signs that said rock and roll is nigger music
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so and now people are like yeah where's the rock and roll but you know what i mean yeah it's just it's
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a it's a mindset thing it's a look and obviously people we gotta conquer everything we just we need
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anything the left does we need a counter to the left makes a i've said this in the past the left
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makes soap will make soap they make a t-shirt we'll make a t-shirt they put on a concert we'll put on a
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concert that's the only way we could win we need to offer whatever they all whatever they're pushing
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we need to offer an alternative because simply saying hey don't go do that this is nanny stuff
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people are tired of the nanny state people are tired of finger wagging and all this you know we
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need an absolute counter to everything that is put out there to whatever it is we need our own
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alternative and that's how you have the parallel community that's how you have a parallel society
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economy all these things whatever they put we need something to offer and say no no fuck that
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here's our version this is anyway this is a very common thing that you see the
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like even with something like obviously we all saw what probably we probably all saw what happened
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with the super bowl and a lot of people are you know rightfully not happy about it but you know what
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alternative are we providing and this is like you know when people try to provide some kind of
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alternative to these things they get you know on because it's not perfect or it's not as good or it's
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not as big or whatever like we're already seeing that develop with the fight knights and american
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muscle it's like frontier like this kind of stuff that is the beginning of that and then people don't
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want to support it so that there's an alternative to you know the commercialized sports so you sports
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ball is a really good one because i agree like i i don't i don't watch sports um or at least not very
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often and uh obviously i see all the same things that everybody sees and you're rightfully critical of
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it and you rightfully don't like it but why are we conceding this inherently right-wing coded form
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of culture to the left why are you why are we allowing the globo homo corporations to have their way
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with you know something that is uh primarily compromised of people who lean towards us if not
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largely agree with us on almost everything but just aren't being exposed to those ideas or aren't
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animated yet and so you know by withdrawing from the sports scene and not injecting your politics
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into it we're losing out and this is another good example of where europe is way better at this than
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north america is you have the nationalist hooligans you have you know these clubs and these organizations
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that are linked to you know various sports franchise or whatever so um like these are things like i don't
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know if it's like the the american kind of or the north american puritanism or there's something going on
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there where they they just i think you know north american puritanism does really play a a role in
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things um it is a real thing trust me i get plenty of emails because like man i started off pretty um
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rambunctious i mean if you go watch the the first rant videos out i mean shows guys sprawling doing
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graffiti it has some electronic music almost like a beat in the back i mean all these things um there is you
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know to a large degree there is like a very i don't know i don't know how to describe it but
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there is yeah this this a bit of a puritan spirit sometimes which europe doesn't have and i think
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that's why they like you look at casa pound you know i mean casa pound just put something out the
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other night they're having a beer pong but they also put on fight tournaments they also do every single
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week they put on some sort of um uh like you know speeches you know um history things like this they
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do blood drives they do food drives i mean they do a lot of things but they also do they also have a
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night hey we're just gonna have fun tonight we're gonna do beer pong guess what i mean people like to
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have fun right i mean that is fascism is fun why not have a night of a little fun whatever but there's
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like definitely in the the north american scene there's sometimes sometimes it's a little like
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i don't know you know that the meme of the guy standing in the corner yeah he's like you know
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sometimes there's this spirit that's too heavy in the scene yeah and you know we we got to overcome
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that you know we had fascism like actual social fascism this is like a really radical ideology i mean if
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you look at the founders you look at the black shirts i mean these were not choir boys these were
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not guys that just wanted to mow their lawn and have a nice grill and uh you know have the shirt all
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tucked up and stuff these were very rough rough and tumble kind of guys these were guys that broke the
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wall didn't care about the law at all these are guys that didn't mind getting into ballroom brawls these
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were guys there's a story of the arditi that when they were fighting against the austrians in the
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alice that there was some town that was not in the objective right they were supposed to go you know
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20 kilometers this way they went out of their way to another town the five borders because this town
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had a bunch of wine there so they could get wine rob the place of wine and then go to the front lines
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all hammered and and you know i mean you got to embrace the the the the revolutionary spirit the radical
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spirit the rule-breaking spirit that's what's going to give the right the power the puritan stuff
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listen we tried that in the 1950s and look where it got us we went out there the right went out to
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elvis concerts and handed kids bibles and said go read the bible instead of going to the elvis concert
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where are we today did that you know it's it's it's a rough thing but fascism white national this is a
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rebellious spirit we need to to bring that because the youth craves that people are tired of the nanny state
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it's tired of the lesbian commissar teacher telling them this we have to be like hey man this is the
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new punk rock fascism is the new punk rock you know you're seeing this play out in reverse right now so
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you know it's it's difficult it's the analogy that you could use is something like you know if your
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daughter is dating a a boy that you don't like you know going too aggressively against it and telling
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her you will not see him you will not just makes her want to do it more because there's a tendency for
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impetuous youth and teenage angst to push them towards what their parents or what the authority
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figures don't want them to so and you're seeing this play out in reverse now that happened in the
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50s 60s 70s 80s whatever you know what maryland manson like pick motley crew pick one you know there
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was these zealous right-wing you know movements against those things and all it did was make them
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cooler and edgier and you know taboo so like that enhanced the mystique around them and now you're
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seeing the reverse where you know active clubs are this taboo thing and that's wrong and whatnot
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and so like it's driving the young youth towards it because it's no it's the reverse um you know
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morality now so um leaning into that stuff is important and not you know not being yeah it's
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like we talked there's a tendency i think particularly north america for people to if something isn't
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completely you know pure and not fields yeah if it's not the wheat field with the chick if it's
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not the chick in the wheat field it's it's it's degenerate but you know life isn't all wheat fields
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unfortunately you know and uh rebellion and all this stuff is is part of it you know and definitely we
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have to embrace it like you said this is what's winning us today i mean i i think people i heard
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um i forgot the guy's name somebody was the other day talking about you know the right say listen
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you know with the epstein file trump's in there you know ice all these things you know our government
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is incompetent and all this shit we all know this right government's fucked controlled all this stuff
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and people are talking about well third parties but the problem is when you try to do a third party we
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look what happened with nsn right or even before nsn look at golden dawn people forget you know golden
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dawn made it to the third biggest party in greece that's how i got involved with nationalism and all
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this stuff was coming across golden dawn videos they're in the epstein files i don't know if you
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you saw this but actually the epstein file you saw this right yeah which is insane it's
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fucking insane but basically epstein was like you got to shut it down you know shut it down and they
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did get shut down they're still in prison to this day i met years ago i met with
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guys from the golden dawn parliament i spoke with them i sat with them they're super just great guys
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and it's it's tragic that some of these guys are still sitting in prison almost what is it like 20
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years now or something like this on time yeah um so they were so sorry let me not get off track um so
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they were saying well the third party option seems to be not working for the right as a mode of us taking
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power then there's the with so okay let's just go through the modes of taking power right
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government's completely fucked incompetent we already know this right starting the third party
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so we'll just try to do this they got shut down although i believe the boys over there will figure
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something out but you know golden dawn another example shut down right so 30 starting a third
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party seems a little tough right now to do in the current climate people say accelerationism just wait for
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it to collapse i believe this is a big cope i believe city that's the same thing as saying vote
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it out you know just sit back just wait for it to to happen you know i don't i don't subscribe to
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accelerationism and i think an option that we miss out all the time in our scene is the cultural
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revolution culture we comes before politics you know the civil rights movement didn't happen without
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woodstock without the jimmy hendrix without all that i think and it's the it's the point it's
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funny because that's so far the right our strongest
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reason we've made the most gains we have today is not because of a politician because there are
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meme warriors out there it's because there are guys on the internet putting the hype videos
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it's because of the podcast it's because of the music it's because it is because of cultural levers
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we've dominated x and things like this not because a politician signed something into bill to make us
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you know it's because our memes just slap harder than the left our we're the only ones with creativity
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you go on substack today the best articles on substack are right leaning things because the left is dry it
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just has no creativity these days and culture i believe is going to be what takes us to the top
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culture is going to be the vehicle that takes white nationalists to the forefront not starting a third
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party not uh fucking you know some gorilla in the backyard and maybe one day i don't know but maybe i
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could be wrong but i believe culture is is what we're the most successful for it's it's what you
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know it's what we're winning right now and i think people overlook the the cultural aspect of it they
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overlook the cultural revolution that's going on right now but this is what's winning us by far you
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know absolutely um yeah so like i mean we that was a good intro kind of built off of uh one little
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tangent there from the comments but uh i guess we could i i fucking rant sometimes that was a great
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you know first segment um that just kind of happened naturally and it was entirely unplanned but
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let's uh rewind a bit here and you know before we get to rob rondo you know cultural icon influencer
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of you know white nationalism white identitarianism uh all these things how did this happen so a lot
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of people in the chat are certainly familiar with your general story or maybe they're very familiar with
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the specifics of it um obviously my audience is primarily canadian but there is you know there are americans
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there are europeans so those people might be more familiar but i i know that a lot of my audience is
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is not super familiar with you so you know they might know in you know passing or you know kind of
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a little bit but why don't you just try to like download it as as much as you can you know in you know
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innocent yeah yeah yeah because i would rather i want to like it's out there like if you guys really
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want to go learn you know the the the whole entire history of what robert go into the war on it go go
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start googling the wars you can read the early days you can watch the streams you can go you know you
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can go see tim murdoch like there's tons of people obviously mark collett did a stream with him recently
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like that's that's there too and you can find out more about that there but i'd rather you know be more
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on on the subject of the things that we were just talking about for this stream because this
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information already exists there but i think we can't do that unless we at least get into a little
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bit of your history right so why don't you try to like download it to the audience uh as best you
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can all right let's download this as short as we can so this this uh well we could take the story
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and say it starts back in the concrete jungle of queens new york where this one time i had a knife and
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i was standing over this ms guy and i was just no i'm kidding you know it could start with with in my
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neighborhood right i grew up in queens new york as a white kid fighting against ms 13 against all
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these uh foreign gangs i got into a little bit of trouble for this i i uh you know won a uh a battle
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a duo you know in the movie gangs in new york yeah when he says we met here on this sacred ground the
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sacred battleground to do battle that's you know i i tried to relive that as a teenager in new york city
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and i ended up going to prison for this for a few years for for that while i was in prison i uh really
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saw the difference between races and things like this obviously as many do late years later i moved
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out to california i started rise above movement so at the time i was already like well aware i i um
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i had dated a i had a greek chick that i was dating for years and her father was a devout communist he had
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written articles he was also a nyu uh college professor of course obviously communist college
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professor he had written articles about golden dawn and he started showing them to me because i was a
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union construction worker at the time i was just out of prison he thought that i was you know i used
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to show up with like the fucking the work boots you know the helmet with the union stickers on it i was
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you know i came out of i just was out of prison and to this fucking bug man nerd he thought i was
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the real deal he was like oh my god you know the working class you know and he he thought i was like
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that me and him were on the same page right he saw you for his doctrine like you were yes oh yeah yeah
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yeah one of the first books when i actually when i was in prison he gave me a book it was called unionism
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and like i looked through it and it was like the fucking hotel union bitches folding sheets i was
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like i'm in this theme fitters union like i this is i do real labor not teachers union not hotel union
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not not you know there's this communist book that he sent me about how we're all you know fight the
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man capitalism all this nonsense i didn't even read i just looked through the photos and i just remember
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seeing a picture of a bunch of like housemaids and i was like that's has nothing to do with what i do
00:46:26.780
you know that's when i think of the union i think new york city east coast old school irish italian
00:46:33.420
you know polacks polish fucking you know construction but anyway you think of men
00:46:39.740
sitting on the steel beam up on the skyscraper overlooking new york that's what you think yes yes yes
00:46:46.060
yes exactly exactly so her father was writing articles against golden dawn um and showed me an
00:46:52.700
article about golden dawn this has got to be like 2014 i saw the photos i said because i was already i
00:46:59.740
met skinheads when i was in prison i met guys like this but i didn't like honestly i didn't i didn't um
00:47:06.540
i i just didn't it wasn't for me you know these guys were all um
00:47:11.500
um you know for a long time our stuff was very fringe and it attracted guys that were fringe and
00:47:20.220
it attracted guys that were really seeking attention and things like this and sometimes in a very negative
00:47:27.260
way you know sometimes it was guys like you know they'd be in satanism one day they'd be in this the
00:47:32.620
next day they'd be in this and the next day they were just looking to just you know whatever was the
00:47:36.780
most edgiest whatever was the most craziest and i felt like a lot of guys i met were like that they
00:47:41.820
weren't really anyway she shows me this golden dawn stuff they they're showing videos of these guys
00:47:49.580
they're normal looking they're they're with their girlfriends they're organized it was something
00:47:53.740
really impressive that i never seen in the american scene at the time it was something that
00:47:58.140
just didn't exist right and um made a big impact i looked further into them i came across groups like
00:48:04.700
casa pound white rex anyway fast forward 2016 trump runs for president the alt-right is started
00:48:14.060
we have an emergence there's finally some sort of youth counterculture going on it's you know um
00:48:22.140
it's heavily online it's heavily memes it's heavily
00:48:27.260
uh podcast things like this which at the time i didn't really as somebody who grew up um i mean
00:48:38.060
not really like we used to just go to the street corner everyone was hanging out on the street i
00:48:43.340
didn't you know i wasn't an internet guy i didn't have video games you know i wasn't like this so this
00:48:47.980
stuff was a little alien to me i joined an early alt-right organization i i i don't know it just
00:48:56.860
wasn't familiar anyway long story short i started rise above movement i wanted to bring a activist i
00:49:02.780
wanted to them to make something cool right because i looked at what the left did with again what we were
00:49:08.780
talking about earlier with woodstock with this you know i can remember being in new york city in a new
00:49:13.500
york city public school right and i remember you know you'd see all the gangs and they would have
00:49:18.540
their colors and they they normally were the the gangs were tribal right um you know they were related
00:49:24.140
to you know if they were el sap doing they'd rock they'll stop doing all this stuff i remember the
00:49:28.620
whites we never had anything we were just you know i don't know this tribal mentality i took from new
00:49:35.500
york city i wanted to do something attractive i wanted to do something to to appeal to the youth so
00:49:40.540
i came out with ram i grew up boxing in queens i brought this you know when i first used to meet
00:49:46.060
up with guys we would just go out to the pub have beers talk about the jews as one does but i would
00:49:53.740
leave these meetings feeling unsatisfied i said that there's you know i didn't feel anything was being
00:50:01.660
accomplished um through this and i didn't think it made us cooler i didn't think it made us
00:50:06.380
you know we all love to show pictures of vikings of roman legionaries of the ss
00:50:13.980
but when i was going and meeting with guys i said is this an ss guy i don't know about that i don't
00:50:21.580
know some of the guys i met i said i don't think this guy would fit in the ss you know
00:50:26.460
now so i said we need to do something about this so i started brand and i incorporated physical fitness
00:50:31.100
into it boxing mma calisthenics you know weightlifting all this stuff at the time there was
00:50:37.420
nothing and i'll make a bold claim right here i don't think as far as i know somebody could correct
00:50:42.940
me if i'm wrong but i don't think you could find a video before the first rise above movement video
00:50:47.740
which came out in 2016 that incorporates all this with graffiti with stickers with the hype music with
00:50:54.860
the hype edits prior to us because i didn't take that inspiration but that was kind of just up in
00:51:01.260
the head you know and we we came out with this idea of trying to you know one of the early statements we
00:51:08.780
used to say was um 10 white guys 10 in shape white guys is a fascist fascist statement in itself you
00:51:16.060
don't need to over explain all the time you don't need to always talk about the jews you don't need to
00:51:20.380
go down a hundred different rabbit holes sometimes you know sometimes you're showing us as we are is
00:51:28.300
is a big statement and um another thing i would say is in the early days when i first wanted to get
00:51:34.460
involved with the movement and i looked at the american scene the angle scene everything was so
00:51:39.180
outward focused everything was about the other everything was about the jews everything was about
00:51:43.660
the fight everything was outwards but there was zero internal focus i almost felt like when i first joined
00:51:49.580
that if i was to ask a guy who was you know a white nationalist and i used to say tell me what being
00:51:54.220
a white nationalist is but don't talk about jews don't talk about don't talk about others tell me
00:51:59.740
what a white nationalist is without talking about others and i think most guys at that time would have
00:52:04.940
nothing to say so i wanted to show that we have something to say i wanted to turn the focus inward on us
00:52:13.900
and show show the world what we're about what we stand for and provide that alternative you know
00:52:21.020
uh is this making sense yeah oh yeah yeah it makes perfect it's funny because this this is similar to
00:52:28.620
like i'm not going to get into our whole history but this is a realization that i came to as well in
00:52:33.420
2022 2023 which is everything that we were talking about everything that we were doing was not
00:52:39.100
pro any it was anti-government it was anti-degeneracy it was it is it was like what are we actually
00:52:47.100
focused on building here internally for ourselves and so that was whenever we changed you know our
00:52:53.500
perspective to what are we going to build for ourselves instead of just trying to fight you know
00:52:58.220
because because there's always going to be a new enemy to fight you know this is the problem that the
00:53:02.620
right has a lot of the time is they can just you know the system could just provide you a topic to
00:53:08.860
focus on that you're opposed to and then whenever the kind of steam runs out on that topic they just
00:53:14.460
give you another one and you're never actually building anything it's like you've seen this play
00:53:18.860
out whether it's immigration or the transgenderism or you know the exactly it's a hydro with a million
00:53:25.340
heads you you you you know you get well versed in i don't know fucking anti-tranny shit you start going
00:53:33.020
on you know and i've seen it play out in bars right i'll see a guy where maybe he's starting to make
00:53:39.180
some headway right he's talking to some you know normie and he's talking about the anti-lgbt thing
00:53:43.500
and the guy's like yeah sure but then the guy starts he starts talking about black crime statistics then
00:53:47.740
he starts talking about jews then he starts talking about this then he talks about communism they
00:53:50.940
start talking about world war ii and next thing you know you're sitting there to a guy trying to
00:53:54.380
explain an entire everything you're anti everything that you're against and you just sound again what
00:54:01.420
are you for you know and i think focusing on what we are for is anti all those things already i'm for
00:54:10.060
pro white i'm for putting my race above everything else i'm above fitness strength i'm above uh i'm about
00:54:16.620
risk taking without you know things like this discipline and that just automatically just says you know
00:54:23.900
fuck trainees fuck that fuck this fuck that you know what i mean basically the things that i say
00:54:28.460
i'm for automatically say i'm anti this so i don't need to go out of my way to sit there and in heart
00:54:35.820
for an hour i'm anti this i'm anti this i'm anti this i say what i'm pro and what i'm pro obviously is
00:54:41.980
anti those things you know it just it's um you know and i think that that's it i think that's why the
00:54:47.900
scene today is is so much better than it was in the past because it was so focused i can remember
00:54:53.820
early days like as a kid i don't know if you remember these but they used to be like
00:54:59.740
these history channel things and they would show like the clan and skinheads and they'd be burning
00:55:05.260
fake baby black dolls and it was just crazy you know it just looked like i know i'll never forget but
00:55:11.820
there was a clip and i think they used it in a um that cartoon show on cartoon network but he goes
00:55:16.460
i and it's this clans guy he's like i hate them because they breathe you know and all this and
00:55:22.300
it just it just you know it's so easy for the left to take the moral high ground and all this but
00:55:28.380
when we start saying hey i'm about mine i'm about my race i'm about this it's it's it just gives us
00:55:34.620
i mean it's it's important when you look at early nationalist propaganda go back to the third
00:55:39.900
right go back to the romanian guard go back to fascist italy go back to all this stuff was inward
00:55:46.940
focusing i think people think that like um yes 90 you know that they just all day long we're just
00:55:52.460
making jewish caricatures and slapping them on walls but if you actually look at the majority of the
00:55:56.540
propaganda what does it show it shows a strong fit healthy man a wife but you know nor a national
00:56:05.820
socialism fascism this is a social ideology not an anti-social ideology and that that was the idea
00:56:13.100
that we had with ram was to make it social again because at the time we had organizations like twp
00:56:18.860
which i thought was very anti-social we had adam waffen had just started at the time that was very
00:56:25.340
anti-social and i said no we want to do something social something that people can show their friends
00:56:30.380
like hey this is what i'm into and it looks cool it looks uh attractive to the youth and it it uh it
00:56:38.220
really took off and i'll say this you know that obviously we we you know to go back into to going
00:56:46.060
into the story mode of how i got started for your audience the canadian audience i started this basically
00:56:52.940
what you would call the first active club rise above movement really was the first ones as far as i
00:56:57.740
know and somebody could correct me maybe maybe somebody in the chat can prove me wrong but it
00:57:01.260
was the first organization to blend the the mixed martial arts the boxing the feet the weight lift thing
00:57:07.740
the hype music all into one i mean i've never seen a hype video like this out of the entire angle sphere
00:57:13.340
anyway because of that we were met with the utmost state repression i mean um you know it gets overlooked
00:57:25.260
at the time there wasn't you know we didn't have so many guys out there podcasts i didn't really do
00:57:29.580
pot we didn't put it out there but the stuff that happened to us is unbelievable to the u.s scene i mean
00:57:36.620
you know house raids um myself i was chased across you know three different continents um i spent months
00:57:45.180
in federal prison without even having charges on i mean crazy stuff crazy stuff jason born you know
00:57:51.260
and why was that was yeah well so for for yourself in particular and you know the reference to being
00:57:57.980
you know chased across three continents and jason born do you want to address because i i think most
00:58:03.980
people kind of know the story of how that happened to you but you know explain um maybe a bit more this uh
00:58:12.540
i don't even damn it i don't even have i was going to show the image i thought i loaded it but i was going to
00:58:16.620
show the image of you you know lording over the guy maybe explain what happened so like was this
00:58:22.300
like this was at a trump rally correct in 2016. yeah yeah so so okay so we started around we started
00:58:29.260
making these hype videos we show up we get actually invited out to to one of the guys i knew he was like
00:58:35.660
a macker guy we get invited out to a trump rally huntington beach we show up there we came there with
00:58:41.980
pamphlets we came there to see if we can meet other young young guys like ourselves you know
00:58:46.300
this that we get there antifa shows up annipha shows up or whatever it's a bunch of boomers and
00:58:52.460
it's actually funny because at the time we showed up we had a banner it said defend america you could
00:58:57.340
go look up if you go google rise above movement you'll see this again at the time this was like
00:59:04.700
no you know we showed up with this this clean cut banner a bunch of young white dudes with like skin
00:59:10.140
fade haircuts and in shape like you just didn't see this at the time we looked very normal like
00:59:16.060
guys were wearing band sneakers and shit like this like it just didn't exist really at the time
00:59:21.340
and when we first showed up even the trump the the magnet crowd that was there thought we were
00:59:25.900
antifa because they weren't used to seeing 15 young white guys organized with a banner unless it was
00:59:34.140
antifa right because the right when you look if you go look at early demonstrations from the right
00:59:41.180
their signs are they don't put any effort they don't paint signs they don't do any of this
00:59:46.140
they don't do anything towards like you know they stand there in the crowd they wave an american flag
00:59:50.540
and then they go home you know but we actually like made this huge banner it said defend america we had
00:59:55.340
the hammer and sickle crossed out we had the syringe needle crossed out we had the antifa flag crossed out on
01:00:02.620
it it was like you know it took time to make and when we showed up yeah they were just at first they
01:00:08.300
thought we were antifa and then we had to like explain to these boomers that like hey we're here
01:00:12.540
for you they allow it antifa goes starts assaulting people as always you know they pepper spray a 60 year
01:00:21.100
old woman i grew up in the streets of queen's dog let me tell you something if you roll up on me with a
01:00:25.420
black ski mask i'm going to assume you want trouble and i he wanted trouble and i gave him trouble he wanted
01:00:32.220
trouble i gave him the trouble he wanted and uh you know the funny thing about that is he actually
01:00:39.580
had i hit another guy before him i rocked this other antifa guy and then that guy came up and
01:00:46.460
hit me with bear mace directly in the face and because we were going to this event right i had
01:00:51.740
just shaved that day because i wanted to go there crispy you know like we would say clean cut not giving a
01:00:57.900
fuck and the mace burned my face never mind my eyes my face from just shaving that day
01:01:04.380
my face is on fire from this guy so really when i'm on top of the guy i'm actually not even beating
01:01:09.500
him that bad i'm actually really just trying to grab the mace out of his hand i may land a couple
01:01:13.660
punches on him but it's not that serious especially uh for someone like myself where i grew up in like
01:01:22.060
in real i've seen real violence at an early age so i thought nothing of that event to me this was just
01:01:28.780
you know it was a little tussle it was a little fight it was no big deal a few hours later i'm on
01:01:36.060
the motherfucking front page of the new york times new york post i kid you not and there's a picture of
01:01:42.060
me on top of him uh i mean this that photo that you just showed i mean was almost international at a
01:01:50.380
moment there was a nickname based elbow man that came out of it um and you have to realize that at
01:01:56.700
the time in america nobody had fought back against the left this is that fight maybe i'm wrong was
01:02:03.100
even before base stick man or base stick man happened that same weekend i forget but we happened at the
01:02:08.620
same time but you have to realize in america at that point antifa was showing up to trump events
01:02:14.460
beating the shit out of mega people all over the country and the crazy thing is not a single person
01:02:21.580
who really fought back i mean i remember watching videos of of i remember this video this trump kid
01:02:30.780
this college kid being chased through a garage and they're like attacking him smashing his car there was
01:02:36.220
this this really fucked up video which was another reason why i wanted to show up to one of these events
01:02:40.780
right i said let somebody do this to me but they had a woman and she was outside trump towers i think
01:02:47.020
san jose california and she was like a mom obviously she had a trump jersey on he had antifa circling her
01:02:53.980
spitting on her throwing eggs on her smacking her and it looked like my mother you know i looked at
01:02:59.260
this woman i said that could have been my mother god forbid i said i got to do something about this you
01:03:04.380
know and that was another reason with ram that's why we put a big emphasis on physical fitness because
01:03:09.100
you know let somebody try that with one of us and when they did try it with one of us
01:03:14.300
they did the first tactic right so the first tactic that the left uses is physical violence
01:03:19.260
through antifa through their their goons hunting in the beach happens we get invited to berkeley
01:03:25.340
california right after this this is the big one i talked about this the other day and i'm going to speed
01:03:30.860
this up now battle at berkeley it was a really big thing if you don't know about it it really was a big
01:03:36.140
thing back in the day today means nothing but back in the day was a big thing berkeley is the birthplace
01:03:41.820
of like leftism in america long story short we show up we smash them out we took over the city was
01:03:47.580
the only time really in american right wing history where we didn't just beat the left but we literally
01:03:54.780
were burning antifa flags in the middle of downtown berkeley with boomers clapping and cheering us on i mean
01:04:01.500
it was one of the very few times that boomers maga boomers jumped over the barricades and followed
01:04:09.340
fascists and white nationalists to go fight antifa i mean it was really something special
01:04:15.420
so we beat them on that physical level with the goonies you know they send their antifa their goonies
01:04:20.220
we beat them there so what's their next move what is the left's next move what they do and this is for
01:04:24.780
all nationalists for everyone to listen this is how they work right they start with their their their
01:04:29.180
goons you know antifa intimidation tactics when that doesn't work they use the media journalists
01:04:35.180
this is the next step the next step that came against us they came out with a um you can look
01:04:41.020
it up again if you youtube rise above movement there's this video that was put out and it's called
01:04:47.740
unmasking white supremacy in california and brother
01:04:53.340
you know you look at it now this video maybe it doesn't seem like a thing but at the time it again
01:04:59.180
you know this was first through the door type you know in this video that they put out against us
01:05:06.700
they put the spooky music they got screaming in the background i mean it was really if you watch
01:05:12.380
the video dog i mean you know dennis white rex right uh you know this guy yeah he's a serious
01:05:19.100
dog this guy grew up in the 90s of moscow russia real serious
01:05:22.380
seeing battle when i showed him that video this is years ago he saw that video and he looked at me he's
01:05:27.500
like oh man you're i don't know if i should hang out with you you're a real serious guy you know
01:05:32.540
and i was like let's you know because they made it they made us so spooky in this video they made us
01:05:37.340
like this this horrific thing you know anyway that video drops and on facebook within i showed up to
01:05:47.340
work that day early i was in the parking lot is my story going cohesive oh yeah yeah okay we're following
01:05:57.020
sorry i bounced around a little all right so i showed up to work early this day battle of berkeley
01:06:03.420
happened huntington beach we were getting a little notoriety you know we put out the ram videos
01:06:09.260
again at the time stuff we were doing was too new the active club the 3.0 this this fitness
01:06:13.900
shit just really didn't it was too early in in the angle scene scene yet right people were still more
01:06:20.780
you know how many times can you say on a live stream that was more important than inward uh
01:06:27.180
community building but anyway i show up early to work my foreman calls me and he goes brother
01:06:33.740
there's a video of you online i think you need to see it before you you come onto the job site i thought
01:06:40.140
he was talking about the ram videos we put out of us you know working out fighting antifa and i was
01:06:44.940
like oh yeah you know we get around online a little bit i i made a joke out of it he goes no it looks
01:06:50.780
really serious he goes by the way everybody in the office has seen it and he sends me a link it's on
01:06:55.660
facebook it's like seven o'clock in the morning the video has 11 million views my fiance calls me
01:07:03.820
the head of my boss calls me and my landlord calls me all one right after the other all of them
01:07:10.140
breaking the agreement all of them said yeah you just we can't we can't do this you know this is
01:07:17.180
great i mean really like and i didn't know about doxing at the time i didn't really we didn't really
01:07:22.140
understand when we were at berkeley we took our masks off a bunch of times i didn't really understand
01:07:27.580
journalists i actually thought it was cool at first i thought it was like cool that they would
01:07:31.180
write an article about us because i remember when pro publica reached out for commentary
01:07:36.060
i thought like oh cool you know there'll be a little article floating out there that i could
01:07:39.580
show my grandkids one day that you know i did something to fight the the fucking global homo
01:07:47.500
brother i didn't understand i just didn't know i didn't realize that was serious i mean when i talk
01:07:53.740
about serious man it felt like the world was watching me at a moment i mean i'm talking about
01:08:00.540
fucking i like i got kicked out of my apartment i lost my union job which first of all you're not
01:08:04.460
supposed to get fired from your job i lost my fiance all in like a 24-hour period and i was sleeping at
01:08:10.140
a hotel that night i mean it was like and um you know you have two options when you get to that point
01:08:18.780
when you lose everything that pilot durden once said says something bad with quotes but he says
01:08:25.820
something like um it's when we lose everything we have the ability to do anything and that's what i
01:08:33.660
said i've said look there was nothing i could do right i grew up in it like in a in an environment
01:08:40.220
back in the day when i was in queens if somebody wronged me i go wrong them back but what can i do to
01:08:45.500
these journalists he's a million miles away behind a laptop clicking destroying my life in real time
01:08:52.460
what can i do so i can either lick my wounds go back to my fiance go back to my job and beg and say
01:08:59.500
listen i'm sorry i apologize for what i did but i know i wasn't wrong because we look legally i'm a
01:09:06.540
lot i have to say i started the fights at berkeley and huntington beach and all these things right
01:09:11.100
by legal standards but all i would say is somebody go watch the battle at berkeley they were throwing
01:09:15.180
fireworks at us go look up the name eric clanton they broke a kid's skull with a bike lock in front
01:09:22.140
of us go look up my name people call me super violent but where are the victims who's been hurt
01:09:27.420
where are the weapons used that's all i would say right so i felt i did nothing wrong at this time
01:09:33.100
and i said and i really believed in this this i call it the 3.0 model the activist model which you see
01:09:39.420
that that hype video you you put in the beginning that long montage you know again 2016 2017 nothing
01:09:46.540
like that exists in the entire angle sphere there was nothing going on but i i thought i i i i had this
01:09:53.180
vision that that should be what exists you know so i i i i said it and i started i just went further
01:09:59.500
into ram we went out we were the first americans to go out and fight at a nationalist combat sports
01:10:06.060
event in germany at company nubal again big shout out to those guys it was also a white rex event it
01:10:11.180
was put on by both of them i was the first to this day i'm still the first and only american to fight
01:10:15.980
in one of those and win we went we fought in ukraine at another underground boxing nationalist event
01:10:22.060
and um seeing these events the one i fought at in germany drew 2 000 people now charlottesville had 2 000
01:10:29.340
people right but 2 000 people showed up multiple people got arrested lives were ruined it was all
01:10:36.940
out now at this event germany 2 000 people showed up but you know what happened 2 000 people showed up
01:10:43.500
had a good time went back and told their friends hey you got to show up next year and you know what
01:10:49.020
they did next year when they held their event they had 3 000 people so i said i looked at what
01:10:54.860
confident movement did at that boxing event i said this is the future here we need to do this
01:11:01.260
sporting events things like this this needs to be brought to the angles here so we were well on our
01:11:06.300
way to putting off the first frontier and this is 2018 this is way before active clubs or any of this
01:11:14.140
stuff even really kicked off and i think that the fbi knew that we were onto something i think that they
01:11:21.260
really feared it um if you watched there's a pbs documentary by frontline called hate watch where
01:11:28.620
they brother that was the second thing it came out with this short video the short 30 second thing
01:11:33.980
it's like unmasking california's white supremacist that was the first video that i lost everything
01:11:37.980
off of when they came out with the second pbs documentary i already lost anything so it didn't
01:11:41.900
really matter to me but when that documentary dropped you had alex rose a senator in new york
01:11:51.020
wanting to prescribe rise above movement as a terrorist organization i mean now that it's like
01:11:57.420
real people were like talking about us not our guys unfortunately but the left was talking about
01:12:04.860
us in a very serious way and we you know me and my co-founder of ram at the time we had met one night
01:12:12.380
at a place and we kind of like talked about it we're like you know dog maybe we should go on a trip to
01:12:18.220
mexico for a while you know just hang out and um he was actually the one to say that and i said at the
01:12:25.180
time look i grew up i spent time in prison i grew up rough and gritty i said brother we haven't done
01:12:30.940
anything we got into a minor fist fight there's not even a victim in our case it was minor fist fights
01:12:35.820
you know the fbi is not going to arrest us over a minor fist fight you know the fbi is these big all
01:12:41.420
important stopping terrorism they're stopping 9 11 brother they're not going to come for us
01:12:48.220
now let me paint the next picture for you getting ready for my second event to go fight
01:12:55.580
at uh company new begin in germany it's a few months have passed
01:13:00.620
i get a nice training session in i'm training boxing very heavily
01:13:04.540
go home i go get my rem sleep i'm aiming towards it right laying in bed
01:13:08.540
i'm dreaming of roman columns wine biddies all these things glory golden reeds and all of a sudden
01:13:17.020
at like three o'clock in the morning my window blows out when i say blows out i don't even get smashed
01:13:23.580
i mean like blows out like some some some device next thing i know flashbangs are going off in my bedroom
01:13:32.940
i have hands grabbing my ankles i'm sleeping in my boxers obviously there's glass all over the bed i'm
01:13:39.820
dragged from my ankles i'm dragged off the bed by my ankles across shards of glass are cutting me on my
01:13:45.900
chest and i'm broad you know in the corner of your room where the wall meets the floor yeah you know
01:13:52.380
this area they stick my face right in that corner and to the back of my skull is an ar you know a
01:13:58.220
fucking automatic rifle that's pressing my skull to the point that my nose is being smashed in between
01:14:03.500
the corner this was the response that we got for starting the first active club at the time
01:14:11.420
and um what would happen from there from that day was just then becomes jason born you know becomes
01:14:19.100
legend after that you know they um that day all they had was a search warrant so they did all this
01:14:24.540
i mean when i talk about destroyed my apartment
01:14:28.220
you know go watch the movies about fbi house raids but i'm talking they broke every single
01:14:33.340
piece of glass that existed in my apartment was smashed every single piece i walk in when they
01:14:40.060
brought me in the kitchen they have me handcuffed guy you know anyway they bring me in the kitchen the
01:14:47.180
guy's ripping open bags of cereal and coffee and shooting it all over my fucking kitchen you know
01:14:51.420
it's chaos you know what i mean and then at the end of that after they parade me around
01:14:57.420
my building complex and my boxers while pieces of glass sticking out of my chest and i'm handcuffed
01:15:04.220
they tell me they say hey you're not under arrest we're just here for a search warrant you know you're
01:15:09.100
free to go i said thank you guys thank you for this you know what what gentlemen and um i gotta be honest
01:15:17.180
there was something about having the ar that the automatic rifle pressed to the back of my skull there was
01:15:23.660
something about that that i really didn't like you know there was something about that i really said
01:15:29.180
i said i said to myself this is this is not cool man that's not nice you know and i said i gotta go on
01:15:35.500
vacation because after such a horrific experience like that a man needs to go get his feet wet in the
01:15:43.340
sands of cuba and that's where i went i went to cuba for a little bit to hide out because there's no extradition
01:15:48.460
i had some contacts in europe that were telling me to come out there but the problem was that i was
01:15:54.380
banned from the eu at the time so how do you how do you i there's so many stories dog i mean before
01:16:01.580
that actually happened i i had a layover flight in the uk they sent me back to it's a whole thing go
01:16:06.460
listen to the white rabbit thing anyway long story short i get arrested el salvador i spent a year in
01:16:11.580
prison judge carney who was a boomer judge but he is a guy who follows the rule of law he lets me out of
01:16:16.940
prison and then i spend the next six years running from interpool fbi in every local country's
01:16:26.380
counter-terrorism so that means the bia out of serbia came and arrested me at one time but it was
01:16:33.260
technical so they couldn't send me back to the us i had macedonia i had the police trying to arrest me
01:16:39.340
but i evaded them bulgaria same thing they tried to do a setup one time where they thought that i was
01:16:45.420
going to be somewhere but i sent somebody else and they grabbed him thank god i wasn't there
01:16:51.260
um until eventually getting caught in romania where i would go then serve two and a half years i would
01:16:56.780
spend a little over four months in romanian prison before doing almost you know two and a half in
01:17:04.860
federal prison in california which california is the most violent prison is the most gang populated prison
01:17:11.900
it is really uh if you go watch the movie shot caller it is actually something like that so and that
01:17:19.980
is as much as i can condense it right so if you want all of the the little details you can go find
01:17:30.220
them through various podcasts like obviously it's a crazy story and you know to the point where you know
01:17:35.260
a lot of people wouldn't believe that that's what happened to you because you got in a street fight
01:17:39.900
where you were defending someone else and you started you know a positive you know men's focus
01:17:46.060
group on fitness and self-improvement and you know those types of things i think a lot more people
01:17:51.660
would believe it now than they would have at the time but oh at the time we didn't you know you're
01:17:56.940
supposed to realize at the time we didn't have the the the levers of communication that we have now
01:18:02.060
we didn't have gofundme's we didn't have this we didn't have that many podcasts you know
01:18:04.940
um so it kind of just happened in the dark and that and i think that was a big reason why they
01:18:09.820
did what they did with us that it was kind of like a trial what they did to us because
01:18:14.220
we were a bunch of working class guys none of us came from wealthy families we were all kind of
01:18:19.980
broken home kind of guys they said we could fuck these guys and no one will give a fuck about them
01:18:25.100
and they did and nobody did give a fuck you know it is what it is you know um it was really a a crazy
01:18:32.620
thing it was i mean you but again anyone that doesn't believe it you could google it you could
01:18:37.180
google it down from you could look at bellingcat articles where they're literally trying to track
01:18:44.380
me down from every country using open source intelligence um tracking me down to the cafes i
01:18:50.140
went to there's articles about me being arrested in el salvador there's articles about my fake passports
01:18:57.180
that allegedly i had on me when they caught me which is crazy how would a guy get fake passports that
01:19:01.820
sounds crazy to me you know but allegedly all these things you know you could read about my
01:19:06.380
time in prison there's actually a podcast that a new york times journalist didn't even talks about
01:19:12.300
i guess he got my disciplinary record while i was in prison i didn't sign up in um pc as some might
01:19:20.460
you know as a journalist probably would i spent my time in general population and i was active during
01:19:25.500
that time in general population i spent time in solitary confinement for getting into fights and such
01:19:30.460
and is a new york it's called popular front and new york times uh journalist ally winston had talked
01:19:37.100
about it and kind of uh laid down a little bit you know anyway anyway all this is in the past now
01:19:51.100
we might have to go back a little bit there just to you know clarify the timeline here so
01:19:59.420
you discussed rise above movement when does that translate into the modern kind of active
01:20:05.260
club branding that most people who would be listening right now are familiar with and will to rise when
01:20:11.740
does this start okay so last book movement starts 2016. it's it's the first guys to come out with
01:20:21.580
this type of you know again the hype of all this stuff i mentioned right again you can't really find
01:20:26.700
anything before that um some years in prison i would say really i get back you know my case was crazy
01:20:37.500
because i had a judge that didn't agree with the fbi at the time which is very rare but he saw it for
01:20:43.340
what it was he's like there's no victims in the case there's no weapons he's like i could see the
01:20:48.220
footage myself like there's literally fireworks being thrown at the guy there's weapons being used
01:20:52.620
and judge carney had said all this there's a great article by the daily wire that goes into carney
01:20:58.700
and what he said about the case so guys could look that up um it really starts when i get back
01:21:06.060
i i finally make it to i'm put on the no-fly list by the way too during this time so i'm put on a no-fly
01:21:11.980
list when i get out of prison i figure out a way how to evade the no-fly list which is
01:21:19.260
story in itself i eventually get to the balkans eastern europe i land in macedonia i sneak into bulgaria
01:21:28.780
and i just start connecting with guys from there i have to spend time in serbia and all this i'm there again
01:21:33.820
watching these nationalist scenes that have been around for a very long time which the angle scene
01:21:37.980
hasn't really seen i see these guys they have gyms they have bars they have restaurants they have
01:21:44.060
at two paulers and i say this is the future you know this is how we need to do in the angles here
01:21:49.660
you know can't just be demonstration standing on a corner shouting you know hawk if you hate niggers like
01:21:56.300
that can't that's not going to lead us anywhere this is theatrics we don't need theatrics because i
01:22:01.980
understood what it is to be in the spotlight to be in the spotlight is not good you can't operate
01:22:08.380
really you can't do all you want to do when feds are right in your house when journalists are geolocating
01:22:15.260
your you know honestly if you're you know operating in the shadows is power there's a lot of power into
01:22:22.140
operating in the shadows i think this gets overlooked because i i get it the social media we all want to
01:22:27.980
get the likes we all want to hey we did this today i love it i do the same thing myself don't get me
01:22:32.860
wrong but at the same time it's a it's a double-edged sword and um well i saw what was going on in europe
01:22:41.340
and i also took a lot of my own inspirations from growing up in queens i was part of like a local
01:22:46.380
graffiti crew which was kind of like a free crew you know this very local styled thing and i started
01:22:53.980
promoting this term active club it um obviously the movie fight club had a big inspiration actually
01:23:00.380
the funny thing about this is i never even thought about the movie fight club right when we started
01:23:04.220
ram fight club had was not at all in the zeitgeist from my mind right and then the young turks made this
01:23:12.060
video where they compared us to fight club and it was funny because in the confidence in the comments
01:23:18.380
they got fucking beat the hell up like all the comments were like you know just trash talking
01:23:23.660
them but it was funny because they were trying to like the left was trying to claim this movie
01:23:28.860
fight club for themselves and they were saying that we were claiming it and at the time i was like
01:23:34.380
like i don't even care about this movie what is this i haven't seen his movie since i was like 10 years
01:23:37.820
old it was like this movie i don't even care like you know so i go watch the movie again myself
01:23:43.740
at this time you know my fiance left me i'm sleeping in a hotel you know fired from a job and i watched
01:23:49.260
the movie and i said you know that part when they say literally me that's what happened i watched it
01:23:54.620
and i said hey literally me and um i thought i liked fight club so much from it but i said we can't just
01:24:04.060
be a fight club right because we used to always get early criticism about us boxing and fighting each
01:24:09.340
other and people were just like oh it's just white guys punching each other in the face in the park
01:24:13.820
like what is this you know so i didn't want that to be the sole focus we didn't really have an activism
01:24:21.660
scene in america guys weren't going around slapping up stickers doing banner drops things like this
01:24:26.300
didn't really exist in the u.s at the time it was very um you know politics street politics in america
01:24:32.940
broke down in 2016 along two lines it was the richard spencer suit and tie you know persuade the
01:24:40.860
people you know bump and bob talk about the ethnostate or it was like twp wearing plastic
01:24:46.620
stell helms and going to a left-wing city and trying to be as um you know just trying to get a rise
01:24:54.220
out of people you know just screaming fucking you know jews rape eat children or you know i mean what they
01:24:59.340
do but you know what i mean you know just shouting this out in public and and uh i i wanted to to
01:25:05.820
bring this idea of activism of stickers of banners of graffiti of training of hype videos so we called
01:25:11.020
it act so i came up with the name active club and i came up with that myself you know 100 me um
01:25:18.460
shortly after i came up with that i made a shirt for will to rise will to rise i had just started
01:25:22.700
believe it or not actually we had you know i don't want to get too much but we i was starting up
01:25:28.700
back in the ram days we had a clothing brand brand called right brand clothing the reason that i
01:25:33.660
focused on clothing is because well the left uses fashion fashion is is is our uniform you put on a
01:25:41.260
t-shirt that's basically signaling signaling who you are today i know people like to you know people
01:25:46.060
sometimes even trash me this oh what are you a t-shirt merchant you sell t-shirts but first of all
01:25:51.100
t-shirt you wait first of all what do you buy what what kite do you buy your clothes from i just want
01:25:55.420
to know t-shirts you know you want to do you just walk around bare you know without a shirt all day
01:26:00.380
long no you buy your shirt from summer so who do you buy your shirt from you buy it from some kite
01:26:04.060
that hates you like nike or you want to buy it from will to rise that's pro white made that funds events
01:26:10.300
that the money goes back into the scene that's you know appealing things like this that was the idea
01:26:15.340
and i had this a long time ago i started a thing called white brand clothing it got shut down
01:26:19.580
obviously when we got arrested by the fbi all this i wanted to restart that because there was nothing
01:26:24.780
there was no street apparel brand in the u.s scene at the time there was nothing that existed like
01:26:31.340
that like something cool everything was like very nimi you know like there were shirts but it was like
01:26:38.220
i don't even know they were i mean i wouldn't wear you know it's like cornball dog i can't wait
01:26:43.900
yeah i understand exactly what you mean by mimi because it's not these aren't designed to be a
01:26:50.060
lifestyle brand that sustains you know through the test of time like you know your traditional brands
01:26:55.660
do it's something that's funny for a moment or you know everybody knows the reference to and then
01:27:02.380
there's no connection between it and other clothing you know or other uh you know um items produced by
01:27:08.780
that same line it's always just this meme that means so you see this a lot with influencers or content
01:27:13.980
creators who are you know they're trying to generate a living to keep doing what they're doing so they tap
01:27:19.420
into that market but it doesn't have the same effect as something that uh you know you can use
01:27:23.500
indefinitely and then on top of that too it's too um it's often too aggressive or too um transparently
01:27:33.020
our stuff and so it becomes difficult to wear and there's tons of guys i know at least four or five that
01:27:38.460
can attest to this they wear something that very clearly displays what their ideology is to a public
01:27:44.140
place that they have whether it's a gym membership a restaurant whatever it is and then they get banned
01:27:49.420
and so like the subtlety you know is necessary to a certain degree to have something that is for us
01:27:55.580
but doesn't you know necessarily isn't a huge megaphone broadcasting what it is well it signals to those
01:28:03.340
who need to know right exactly when you see when you see minifrego on a shirt your average
01:28:09.740
fucking you know what this bug man has no idea but you're you know esoteric fascist who might be
01:28:17.260
walking down the street and see you he's going to say hey wait a second i know this yes they're
01:28:20.860
going to come and say something i've heard many stories of guys wearing wheels right shirts and
01:28:23.980
being out on the street you know nobody's ever no no hostile person has ever came up to them but once
01:28:30.220
or twice they've been out of place and guys are like hey wait i know this you know and starts a
01:28:35.180
conversation i actually believe that in one of the active clubs uh they recruited a guy through that
01:28:40.060
they saw him wearing a will try shirt and were like wait i know this i know will rise and you know next
01:28:45.100
thing you know you got a new guy to the team and that that was the idea you you know look even when
01:28:52.060
like you know back to the first thing we're talking about music in 2016 people were coming out with
01:28:57.660
music but it was except for like xerius which was like bash wave stuff everything was like powered in
01:29:03.420
the music it was like um it was jokes it was common and i get it you know you gotta have a little fun
01:29:09.740
little joke but am i gonna listen to comedy music while i'm working out am i going like no i want
01:29:16.860
serious when i'm getting a lifting you know i want serious stuff when i'm sparring so we need serious
01:29:21.980
music because we're a serious movement we're not just the movement of memes and irony posts of course
01:29:28.620
that's a great tool to use in our arsenal but that's not all we are we're actually a very serious
01:29:34.700
movement we need to take ourselves serious and just you know slapping some corny on your shirt that's
01:29:40.460
first of all the shirt's made in china it's some ai slop design i mean this is this is skin deep you
01:29:46.380
know when we do with will to rise and not to show it or go too much into it but i mean we have a
01:29:51.260
production shop every piece of fabric is made from scratch i mean we buy rolls of fabric we sew up the
01:29:57.740
shirts we screen print all the designs it's all done in house through our guns this isn't some
01:30:05.580
there ain't no third worldism on our ship you know what i mean it's all white made so people talk about
01:30:10.700
parallel economy but then we'll like be like oh well you sell t-shirts you know it's like hey dogs step
01:30:16.780
step in the door what are you selling you know what have you contribute to a parallel economy so it's
01:30:22.140
it's important and again with those proceeds the first ever nationalist sporting event to go on in
01:30:30.460
the anglosphere was put on was frontier how do you think frontier got funded that costs money that
01:30:37.100
costs thousands of dollars to do how do you think that what do you think you don't have no you know
01:30:41.260
at the time when we did frontier there's no fundraiser hey we're gonna put even if we would
01:30:44.620
have put a fundraiser at the time if we would have said hey we're gonna put on a boxing mma event
01:30:49.340
in socal for white nationals people would have been like uh bro i want to hear a live stream where
01:30:55.740
someone mentions jews 130 times i don't care about you know that it just wasn't an attractive thing
01:31:02.140
at the time today now it's a big thing everybody you know it's important to have because people realize
01:31:06.620
this is networking this is what brings us together this is real world shit and it's attractive when
01:31:11.740
journalists try to talk about the first of all when we did frontier for the first week it was radio
01:31:15.980
silence at that point journalists everything i was doing i mean if you google my name dog there's
01:31:21.660
hundreds of articles everything i was doing at the time they were writing articles when we did frontier
01:31:25.820
there was radio silence for a minute because they didn't what are you going to say we put on this cool
01:31:31.820
underground boxing event whether it's we had chicks uh you know holding the signs you know the ring
01:31:37.980
girls we had guys fighting people came from all i mean it's badass how are you going to talk trash about
01:31:43.100
this you can't and that was the the left tool for a long time was either saying that we are basically
01:31:51.420
school shooters or we are the biggest nerds to ever walk the face of the earth but guess what we showed
01:31:57.420
them we said no we're actually pretty cool we do cool fashion and guess what you know so you know anyway
01:32:05.740
so there's there's a few things there that i would add to so yeah the the parody music stuff is funny
01:32:13.420
because it's a it's another example of like it's good it's it's but that's an example of what we what
01:32:18.140
i had mentioned earlier it's a form of culture jamming so when you take a katie perry song and you
01:32:23.100
turn it into some kind of fascist parody or funny you know little thing like what are you doing you're
01:32:28.380
trying to leverage the popularity of pop culture and then injecting you know your message into it
01:32:34.780
so it like that that's the same thing that's occurring with you know rap music or something
01:32:38.860
if you have an artist like that so it's it's necessary and it's good but yeah i agree with you
01:32:43.180
the the funny stuff is is great mocking you know the system you know laughing at it um exposing it as
01:32:50.220
being ridiculous is important but it doesn't build a movement you can't build a movement around comedy
01:32:56.220
or at least not one that's that that can sustain and actually scale to the the degree that you
01:33:01.820
need it to um yeah you you can't build a movement off comedy and you can't build a movement off anti-dem
01:33:10.140
we need to have a movement we need to have something that we offer and that was the big thing that was
01:33:15.740
the whole thing of ram we need to offer something to somebody not just these guys
01:33:21.340
fuck these guys fuck these guys we need to say no no look we have something to offer you
01:33:26.460
you know that's that's human transaction this is how the world runs today you need some type of
01:33:31.900
something people don't want to risk their lives you know i just told you i mean i went through real i
01:33:38.700
joke around about it now but at the time brother this was serious things that happened to me the girl
01:33:43.660
that i lost i was with this i was like 14 years old you know it was serious things i lost at the time
01:33:49.420
yeah but i felt that there was something more this movement had to offer that drew me to it
01:33:56.620
i got something in return out of it right i got something out of it that kept me on the road and
01:34:02.540
we you know that's the importance of having organizations like second sons nsn active club
01:34:07.900
is that when guys join there's something real that they benefit from a guy who goes fights at frontier
01:34:13.980
and hears his name chanted in a crowd this is not a guy who's going to go shoot up a walmart or kill
01:34:18.860
himself or dive into some other toxic despair he's going to be a guy who walks with his chin held high
01:34:27.740
now and he's going to go on to you know you got to remember the early nationalist movements these
01:34:32.060
were made by winners dog and that's what we're creating again we're creating a winning atmosphere
01:34:36.540
you know to be a winner that's what we're about yeah the other element that you touched on too is
01:34:43.020
one that you know i i've experienced a lot of times too so there's this funny little dynamic or paradox
01:34:49.660
that the journalists or the left-wing academics often have whenever they talk about you know movements
01:34:54.620
like this and it's that they want to make you out to seem as scary and menacing as possible like you
01:35:02.940
are a serious threat to the safety of society and um you know just that you you you are a potential
01:35:10.780
violent risk they do this while simultaneously trying to belittle you and degrade you and say
01:35:18.140
these guys are dorks these guys are losers they they're you know they're completely incapable of
01:35:23.420
actually doing anything substantial so there's this like schrodinger's kind of uh you know description
01:35:30.460
of you know nationalist groups that engage in in these kinds of uh events or uh activism where they
01:35:37.580
it doesn't really make either we are a massive threat to society or a bunch of yeah it can't be
01:35:43.500
both right it's one or the other but they they the reason they do this is because they don't want
01:35:49.020
to make you seem cool by like you know pointing out that you're like because there's an element of
01:35:53.980
uh attraction to the idea that you are a serious you know terrifying group that is you know
01:36:00.220
a huge threat to the establishment and the regime so that that messaging is sent towards their audience
01:36:06.540
the people who support them and then the dork messaging is directed at the right-wing audience
01:36:11.420
because they don't so like it they need to play both sides at the same time and i've observed this
01:36:16.220
you know over and over again they'll um you know they'll make it out like uh a good example of this is we
01:36:23.340
had one edit that went out from a banner drop and before that we had guys training and they were
01:36:28.940
basically doing circuit training like kind of like crossfit style stuff right like you know lunge
01:36:33.980
weighted lunges log press these kinds of things right in a little circuit and this was presented both
01:36:40.380
as being you know militia combat training and you know losers who are are just you know doing these
01:36:48.620
stupid little crossfit exercises in the park at the same time so they love to do that and it's obviously
01:36:54.860
it's a like a no it makes it it makes sense yeah it makes him like bro that that as i mentioned
01:37:03.100
before that young turk videos that was like one of the first ones that came out against us so the
01:37:08.620
the pro public and all that was like super serious they didn't try to make us they they made
01:37:12.540
us look like terrorists like no joke again i showed people those early videos and guys like
01:37:17.420
i knew some serious guys and they were like hey dog i don't know if i could be in contact with
01:37:21.580
you but the the young turk one that's exactly what they did they tried to like mock us and they
01:37:28.300
were like joking around they're like what were they saying it was corn it was such cornball
01:37:33.420
shit but they're like oh go ahead timmy do the push-up you know show your tattoo while you're doing
01:37:38.140
the push and they were trying to like make fun of like what we were saying all you know things and
01:37:41.740
all this i mean going on to like call is basically like dorks working out and then the girl has to admit
01:37:47.500
after she goes but they also beat up um antifa counter protesters and the leader had stabbed
01:37:53.100
the guy from ms 13 but they're just clowns don't you know and it was just like and it was so funny
01:37:59.340
because in the comment section because they got ratioed so hard at the time that um everyone just
01:38:04.940
like saw it it was like they didn't they were bouncing back and forth between are we this super
01:38:10.300
dangerous thing we need to worry about or are we just a bunch of dorks doing pull-ups and it it just
01:38:16.460
kind of defeats for anyone who's not a complete bug man or like cat lady this just doesn't compute
01:38:26.460
they just they'll just be like what the are they talking about you know now unfortunately there's
01:38:31.980
many bug men out there and there's many cat women out there so they eat that up yeah like you know yeah
01:38:37.580
again i think another element to it as well is it's like the way you just who did the first publication
01:38:43.340
on you the one was very serious pro publica i'm not i'm not super familiar with it but i'm assuming
01:38:51.100
they came so they didn't exist before like all right listen when they contacted us for an email
01:38:56.220
i remember looking them up and bro they had like 400 people on twitter following them they were a nobody
01:39:03.740
news source nobody's and i wrote them something i said hey you know again i didn't really know anything
01:39:09.740
at the time i said hey you know we are uh creating a counterculture to the toxic left we we promote
01:39:16.540
you know we're pro white you know pro fitness we were straight edge at the time i mean you know we
01:39:21.180
were promoting this healthy lifestyle i didn't talk about others i didn't talk about anything i was like
01:39:25.660
you're just focused on us i said this is what we're about i just wrote a little message i didn't think
01:39:29.820
anything of it you know yeah and um when they came out again this news source which had 400 followers
01:39:38.700
brother it had 11 million views by like seven o'clock in the morning and that and i kid you not
01:39:44.860
how does it how did that happen and i am sure look again not to like my own horn but we were the first
01:39:52.460
ones through the door for a lot of things and i think that the left even before our guys recognized
01:39:58.220
the left recognized that what we were doing was going to be something they said something is going
01:40:02.700
to happen from this this is this we need to stop this right now and i swear to god because how else
01:40:08.940
would they get 11 million views on facebook facebook the algorithms things had to be messed with for
01:40:15.020
that to happen and when they came out with the second one pbs front line was very serious at the time
01:40:21.580
i don't know guys you know pbs front line is the reason that arkham from serbia the go back in
01:40:29.500
history in the 90s the reason that there was an international warrant for arkham which led to his
01:40:34.620
death was because of pbs front line putting out that documentary on arkham saying that he was
01:40:40.060
genociding muslims in bosnian arms pbs front line holds at the time held a very certain prestige for world
01:40:48.140
events and the fact that they did a documentary on ram i mean we're talking that you know they did
01:40:53.340
pbs front line did documentaries on arkin on gaddafi on people like this and they did this documentary
01:40:59.020
around which ends up winning al thompson um ac thompson was the journalist at the time he won
01:41:04.140
journalist of the year award plus a fifty thousand dollar bonus for that and this guy was a nobody this
01:41:09.900
was a guy who you can't even find him today you don't even know what he is but he won fifty thousand
01:41:15.500
dollars for doing this i don't know how many shekels jews shook his hands after this
01:41:20.940
and pro public also became this big thing you could actually look for a while trs back in the day when
01:41:25.500
they used to do some you know anyway they did a thing all the the um founders of pro publica
01:41:33.580
were these new york time hedge fund managers bro they weren't even journalists they weren't meeting
01:41:37.820
these were like hedge fund jews fucking you know but they they i'm telling you if you
01:41:45.420
go watch that frontline video you could see how terrified we did a graffiti piece right
01:41:49.580
and he brings up the fact that we did graffiti and he's like you know this isn't like the right to do
01:41:55.900
stuff like this like this is ooh you know and he even says something crazy that he's speaking to like
01:42:03.260
an ex-fbi agent and the ex-fbi the journalist goes why is somebody like rondo and ram threatening you
01:42:10.300
know it looks like a small group of guys working out and it's so scripted you could tell the
01:42:14.620
fbi agent turns around he goes let's not forget timothy mcveigh ran in a small group too you know
01:42:20.860
it was just like i got your moment and fucking from there yeah my windows were blown in and i was
01:42:26.140
dragged by my ankles across my bedroom right now it's it's so funny because it's that's the opposite
01:42:31.260
of why it's a threat so like they don't care they love oh yeah exactly love those types they love lone
01:42:37.740
wolves they love these these that helps them brother this is the thing people don't realize and just to
01:42:44.300
to make this crystal clear to anybody that thinks that the acceleration that this is the way to go
01:42:50.540
you know who the fbi went after first you know the fbi first went after there was adam waffen
01:42:55.420
which had already killed people right they killed like some guy's family and uh some kid in a park or
01:43:01.900
some and they were training with guns ram never had zero guns no footage of this our videos didn't
01:43:07.660
even have words to them now adam often at the time was making videos shooting ars going death to jews
01:43:14.300
the fbi went after first yes ramp right they went after ram first i was in prison before anyone from
01:43:20.540
adam waffen went for so what does that tell you in the way that they went after us when they when
01:43:25.980
they went after the adam walking guys i saw when they arrested them they rested one of the guys had
01:43:29.100
a fast food thing they came put handcuffs brother when they arrested me when they came to my house at night
01:43:34.940
you know you could feel it that there was a man in that room that if i would have done anything stupid
01:43:44.940
that would have been the ending yeah i could feel it in my chest i remember so i was on the on the bed
01:43:50.300
right and they told me to put my hands up and i'm laying on my stomach you know so you're putting your
01:43:54.460
hands up like this you know like behind you you're all like discombobulated and he said face us face us i
01:44:00.460
tried to like sit up and i was facing like this and i could feel it in my chest now the room is all
01:44:04.940
black i was just flashbang they threw two flashbangs in my bed at the time because i told you i lost my
01:44:10.620
job fiance so my mattress was right on the floor i had no box box spring we're not living that that
01:44:15.420
lifestyle we're living rough you know the mattress is right on the carpet so those flashbangs went all
01:44:20.620
right my face pretty much and uh i had my hands up i could feel it i could feel the the the guy's gun
01:44:29.660
trained on me i could feel the impact like i could feel the bad intention behind it it's surreal it's
01:44:35.500
like you know if you have a dog right and if you would point a rubber band at it he doesn't know
01:44:39.580
what a rubber band is but he feels the intention behind it the dog will flinch and go away i felt
01:44:45.100
that and thank god i complied i'm here yeah i didn't get shot you know because i would put my hands above
01:44:52.220
my head and they drag me off and all this but rough times you know yeah there's there was a couple other
01:45:01.740
things that uh i would have i wanted to jump in there let me just see if i can recall someone
01:45:09.980
it's it's fine it's good you're you're here to do most of the talking right so
01:45:13.980
it's good um i'm just here to help uh you know add some color and maybe uh some guidance but i
01:45:20.700
mean yeah obviously you know we've gone through the same thing i i recall one now so one of the
01:45:25.820
things you mentioned is that it's almost like you know they knew how much of a threat you were before
01:45:30.860
you did or they knew the direction yeah and so we we've experienced a similar thing with us in
01:45:35.900
canada and it goes back to 2020 2021 and and before that with our guys but um you know the the
01:45:43.420
the left-wing organizations that have been tracking what we've been doing for a long time
01:45:48.620
they knew what direction we were going in and you know what this was going to evolve into before we did
01:45:56.940
and that's because i think they're they're much more um it's not that they're tapped into the culture
01:46:02.300
exactly they understand what is and isn't a threat and so there's there's certain things
01:46:07.100
like if you're not criminal if you're not um if you're not establishment if you're speaking about
01:46:14.620
certain topics if you're certainly if you're suggesting that people start organizing in any
01:46:19.900
capacity whatsoever now that you know draws you know alarm bells for them right that sends off alarm
01:46:25.660
bells and so they start trying to dismantle you before you get you know to ultimately where you're going
01:46:30.620
to go and so like we joke sometimes you know there's an organization called anti-hate in canada
01:46:36.300
uh the canadian anti-hate network who you know is the chief um you know left-wing organization that
01:46:43.260
writes about us and you know does the smear pieces and is quoted as an expert in other media articles
01:46:49.420
surrounding us right yeah yeah i'm familiar with these experts out there yeah yeah we may like
01:46:55.260
we like to joke that you know anti-hate knew we were nazis before we did right
01:46:59.180
they they knew that like what direction we were ultimately going to go in before we did and um
01:47:06.860
i think that uh you know that's one of the things that they've been able to utilize to stop people
01:47:11.900
out the reason they call you know they've been calling you a nazi and a racist and all all those
01:47:17.500
kinds of uh you know uh pejoratives before you even were a lot of people were not those things they
01:47:23.180
were never those things and the reason they were calling you those things is because they understood
01:47:27.980
that in order to beat them you would have to become those things and so the whole point of
01:47:32.940
doing that was to make you deny deny deny deny and say i'm not this i'm not that and what they're
01:47:37.740
doing by doing that is luring you into a position where you can never beat them unless you embrace
01:47:42.780
those things but you've been conditioned to reject them so i i have seen this play out with a lot of
01:47:48.780
people and it was you know realizing that myself and you know the other people who who follow us
01:47:54.140
that uh that kind of made me see like they have a better understanding of how this game is played
01:47:58.540
than we do but um we're catching up they they rely entirely on support from the state and having
01:48:06.860
control over you know entertainment and media and you know the the entire um information apparatus of the
01:48:14.220
system so um they're not they're not better at this than us they were just a little ahead and now
01:48:21.020
they're losing you know they're you can see they're really concerned about the direction that
01:48:25.500
the active clubs have gone because they're everywhere now and there's tons of different
01:48:29.500
versions of it and there's um more and more sophisticated versions of it what started as a
01:48:35.100
cultural thing has morphed into organizations that have real uh structure discipline and you know
01:48:42.380
potentially could uh involve themselves in the mechanics of politics um and like a good example
01:48:48.300
of this obviously in america is something like a patriot front which you know the model is similar to
01:48:53.980
what an active club model is the things that they focus on on a day-to-day you know the graffiti
01:48:58.540
the fitness training the martial arts there's all these things but we're starting to see how as that
01:49:04.380
model has become more sophisticated it's drawing the attention of people who you know a few years ago would
01:49:10.220
never have given it the attention that they would now and so like examples of that are things like
01:49:15.420
you know jared taylor is attending you know conferences with patriot front or you know
01:49:19.820
conferences put on by patriot front and they're like you're starting to see these more intellectual
01:49:24.380
types or more traditional political elements you know involving themselves with these groups because
01:49:29.580
they see the power behind it they see that it's capable of mobilizing youth and so now there's this
01:49:34.540
kind of merger of what was a a you know small cultural clubs um into the the wider um you know
01:49:43.100
right-wing political apparatus and they have these groups have influence now within them um so the the
01:49:50.300
validity of the model has been proven like it and that's you know to your credit like there was a vision
01:49:55.740
there and maybe it wasn't uh you know they say that early being early is being the same thing is is the
01:50:01.500
same thing as being wrong have you ever heard that expression it's usually referred to as investing
01:50:05.740
so being early is you know something if you're early on your investment and you buy and it doesn't
01:50:10.300
go up like that's wrong because you should have waited until you know it was close yeah yeah
01:50:15.420
i disagree being being early is you know sometimes the person who's earliest gets punished and that's
01:50:20.780
absolutely the case yeah for you but now you get to see you know how that has rippled out and
01:50:27.900
manifested across not just america but all of north america the entire anglosphere and uh even you
01:50:34.460
know back into europe where you got some of your inspiration right so you know yeah yeah pretty happy
01:50:42.060
with the state of what occurred right with where it's brother it's it's amazing i mean when we we if you
01:50:51.100
go watch the first frontier documentary i make a mention of it at the end and i say you know who would
01:50:55.740
have thought that a handful maybe 15 guys training in a park with a little hype music some nice edits
01:51:03.420
would spiral to what it is today i mean i've seen something not that long ago active club finland
01:51:08.300
doing their independence day march active cook finland had dominated the march came with flags orally
01:51:14.620
organized i mean i would have never thought i would have never thought i mean i took inspiration from
01:51:20.140
the european scene and now when i meet european guys they come they tell me they say well i took so much
01:51:24.300
inspiration from will to rise from media to rise from active club from you know all the things you
01:51:28.780
created white latins all these things i say it's it's it's gone full full circle and it really is
01:51:34.940
amazing and um i guess that was the idea too was was always you know it's it's it's it's amazing to see
01:51:44.220
though that's all i i would say because i i remember many organizations i was in 2016 doing this that this is
01:51:52.620
before every big organization you could think of existed you know at the time again it was twp it was
01:51:58.300
rich expense that was it there was no activist organization at the time and i watched many
01:52:02.220
organizations start off and i remember seeing them you know start to use the fitness to try and and this
01:52:11.260
and just watch them blossom into these massive organizations that have done things way beyond
01:52:17.340
what i would have taken it you know like you mentioned pf i remember seeing the first early
01:52:22.140
pf videos and at the time ram was still going i said oh you know and then tom took it to a whole
01:52:27.180
another level you know because listen i'm a i'm a creative guy i'm an ideas guy you know there's a bad
01:52:33.660
word you know a lot of people don't like ideas guys because they're full of ideas and they don't do
01:52:37.500
things i i tend to to see my ideas through a lot of times right whether it's music documentaries like even
01:52:43.900
media to rise that was something else at the time who else was creating documentaries in the scene you
01:52:48.780
look at the first frontier documentary nobody was doing this now look at the most recent uh the the
01:52:55.660
white australia documentary i mean that shit was phenomenal that's cinema right there you know what i
01:53:00.220
mean so um it's it's just yeah it's amazing to see all these things that's right and i'm not saying
01:53:07.580
that they all came from me you know there was so many guys behind the thing too like
01:53:11.660
um i might talk about i did a lot of things or whatever but there was always a team of guys
01:53:17.340
around me that also were loyal saw the vision too you know i had i had a couple times early artists
01:53:24.540
like for will to rise those designs on will to rise are pretty unique you know it's it's it's artistic you
01:53:30.540
know this is the thing so i would write these shitty little scribbles i'd be like yo it should look
01:53:35.180
like this and i had this artist who was just like i got you fam say no more you know let me cook
01:53:39.100
and he would slap them out and then people if people got will to rise tattoos on them today
01:53:43.660
you know um yeah the idea with the videos i didn't know how to edit those early videos those early
01:53:49.740
videos all those hype videos i was like uh you know i was like listen we need a video it looks like
01:53:54.780
this and i had somebody who edited it and helped me with it so it was a whole team of guys who took
01:53:58.780
part and it just everything just just really blew up and it was it was kind of sad for me though because
01:54:05.100
just as i felt like things were like finally peaking and i was just getting like
01:54:10.220
after all this time let's say in the trenches and things were just fucked up and i was running from
01:54:14.380
country to country and and just a really rough lifestyle i was living while i was on the run in
01:54:21.740
europe you know i post i made sure when i was in europe i would post videos i was at this event in
01:54:26.860
serbia was at an event in germany all these events i always made sure to show that i was like smiling
01:54:32.380
having a good time kicking it because i didn't want the bug man to know they were getting to me
01:54:37.020
but they really were i mean i had a lot of close calls i had really tough nights you know i mean i
01:54:45.180
spent also before all that i spent not to bounce around but i spent months in serbian prison where
01:54:50.940
they didn't know what to do with me they arrested me because a journalist had written that i was a
01:54:54.700
fugitive but technically i wasn't a fugitive so they just kept me for months of isolation in a serbian
01:55:00.860
prison in winter that sucks you know anyway just before i got arrested in romania i was just
01:55:06.860
seeing everything taken off we were organizing the second frontier i think um media to rise had
01:55:15.740
just put out a few documentaries we were finally people were like you mentioned the intellectual
01:55:21.100
crowd was starting to warm up to us we even did one for american renaissance a documentary
01:55:26.300
it didn't really get much attention but again early documentary stuff we weren't that skilled
01:55:32.620
so you know we're trying you know um so we were just starting to get some way and then i got locked
01:55:38.700
up but then while i was in prison i would get articles sent in to me i got so many letters when
01:55:43.340
i was in prison too i think on the mark collect show i said something about like no one will support
01:55:47.820
you when you get locked up what i meant by that was nobody from the establishment will support you when
01:55:52.780
you're in prison and you got locked up with some activism you are on your own to a degree but at
01:56:00.140
the same time i had tons of letters of support i had people put money on my books i had people send
01:56:05.820
me books this does tremendous to lift the spirits so while i was in prison i was getting all these
01:56:11.100
articles that was like active clubs growing in fucking sweden in fucking greece and over here and
01:56:18.300
i'm sitting in prison i'm like what the fuck like this is crazy you know who would have thought you
01:56:22.060
know so this is like it's funny because before i started the stream before you know we even started
01:56:28.460
the intro somebody in the i forget exactly what they had said it was uh blue no north 88 i think
01:56:35.900
he had i forget what he said about you but um i replied to him that you know you're one of the guys that
01:56:42.460
that strangely enough is lesser known than some of the other you know active club or nationalist
01:56:49.100
organization leaders now and this like the kind of the the sad part of it is that it's because the
01:56:55.900
largest period of growth that happened with these kinds of organizations was the exact same period that
01:57:01.660
you spent the most amount of time in jail it's like when they were taking off you were so that's why
01:57:08.460
yeah i was gonna say too before i went to prison everyone was still on x x not on x on telegram
01:57:16.540
yeah you know right before i went to prison i mean we had music we were putting out that was like
01:57:21.420
everyone was it was starting to build that type of activist culture you know with the music we put
01:57:26.380
out the documentaries i was turning out hype videos you know and then i got locked up but then everyone
01:57:31.340
got on i don't know i wasn't there for obviously i was in a cage somewhere but it seemed like people got
01:57:36.700
on text and it was just rapid fire you know things just took off organizations just took off um it
01:57:45.580
just blew up in a way that was just it was amazing and and partly part of the the reason like i don't
01:57:51.900
you know i don't do listen i i paid a pretty heavy price for a lot of stuff you know again i joke around
01:58:00.140
a lot about stuff but i paid a pretty heavy price for a lot of things i mean it was almost a 10-year
01:58:06.620
years of my life 10 years and some of the best years people would consider i spent in and out of
01:58:12.060
prison cells on three different continents i spent it hiding like a rat hiding in hotels hiding
01:58:20.700
i mean i've been driven across borders in the back of a trunk of you know yeah yeah like a rat you
01:58:28.540
know this is terrible who wants to live like this so the first year i got out of prison i almost said i
01:58:33.420
saw the the growth of the active clubs i saw all this and i said well i don't there's not really
01:58:39.820
else for me to do you know what i mean i i it's all been done you know what i set out to do back in
01:58:46.940
the day and ran back on those those beaches of california when we started with those hype videos when
01:58:52.540
i first started realtorized when i first came out with those documentaries it's it's tenfold now and you
01:58:59.180
have competent guys you know early on like i said in the early days you had characters that were in
01:59:06.380
the movement you know guys that i'd meet guys and i was just like god you know i don't know i don't
01:59:12.540
know about this guy but today i look at guys like yourself i look at guys so well i look at guys like
01:59:16.860
russo thomas you know and you had um it's just built it's just something so different you know you
01:59:23.420
just have really competent people in the movement you have really competent guys running things so
01:59:29.900
like i kind of just the first year i was out i just looked back and just all i mean not these guys were
01:59:34.380
around obviously right before i went to prison and all this don't get me wrong they've been around for
01:59:37.660
years pushing and grinding just as hard as i was grinding you know but um i i just look back it's it's
01:59:44.620
awesome to me i mean it's it's it's crazy you know it's awesome and now there's a the whole reason
01:59:50.380
we started ram was to create a counterculture like a cohesive cool attractive counterculture
01:59:56.380
and today we have that right you're in canada i'm here in cal in u.s you got boys in poland
02:00:03.420
or or in sweden but we all kind of got this same style you know we got we do the same things they
02:00:10.140
slap up stickers you slap up stickers i slap up stickers you go training i go training he goes training
02:00:15.820
this now we have something cohesive now we have something when people say what are you
02:00:21.420
you say this is what i am this is what we do now we have something before all it was was
02:00:27.740
you know jerking off to to a ethno state that didn't exist you know
02:00:33.340
so i think there's there's a there's a couple things that we can maybe maybe build on off of
02:00:40.380
what you were just saying and then uh we can we can run for a little bit longer and then maybe we'll
02:00:47.100
take a quick break and get the the chat involved but you mentioned it in a few different ways
02:00:53.180
throughout uh your your various uh responses uh so far in this interview but it's almost like you know
02:00:59.260
you've you found the correct blend so you you know there's the 2.0 style or the you know the richard
02:01:04.220
spencer style that came with the alt right the early alt right of the 2016s um and obviously this
02:01:10.540
is not very attractive to a lot of guys um there's a lot of guys who don't want to even if they are
02:01:17.820
interested in the intellectual side of it or the the literature or you know the the history like that
02:01:23.660
the philosophy all these things right um a lot of our guys don't want to sit through that over and
02:01:28.940
over again and just do endless lectures and speeches and um you know podcasts and blog posts and
02:01:36.300
all of this stuff it's not like they got the message they know so you're they're just listening
02:01:42.140
to the same thing over and over again and i think that's a lot of the time what they get from those
02:01:45.260
types is okay you want to talk some more like i i know like i you're not telling me anything new and
02:01:50.540
if you are it doesn't really do anything you know to change the situation that we're in drastically to
02:01:55.980
begin with so what what is the point of of doing this endlessly and then on the other side of that
02:02:00.780
you had you know you were i forget twp is that what you're referred to yeah yeah yeah try to try
02:02:07.100
work the the 1.0 when i say that people think i just mean skinheads but i mean this um the way i
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really see 1.0 is um outwardly just aggressive anti the other like i would even consider yeah i would
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even consider adam waffen 1.0 because their whole focus was just fucking outward super aggressive in
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your face you know anti-social you know we're evil we're we're we're crazy villains you know like this
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did it you know it's not just because i know skinheads that are actually cool as fuck and uh like i would
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consider them 3.0 because they're just like they're like hey dog if that works let's do it what i mean
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what the 1.0 i think was too much of the outward focus too much of the nothing positive you know
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yeah and this is the the way i describe it with with these types and this still exists today it's
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not you know something like you mentioned the skinheads and that's what people think of when
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they think of this this like hollywood representation of skinheads which there is an element of of
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you know people who are like that but it still exists today it's not something that was locked in
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the 90s or the 80s or something like that and what people are describing whenever they're talking
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about these people is somebody who is the hollywood villain well yeah it goes beyond just the hollywood
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representation though because there's guys who look like the hollywood villain who are not the hollywood
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like they don't present themselves as the hollywood villain at all right what they're talking about when
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they do this is these are guys who their identity is not like that is their identity and it's not
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necessarily the ideology or the philosophy or the actions that would be associated with their so-called
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beliefs they are basing their identity around being extreme edgy you know the fringe and that's that's
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what they really seek from this ideology so it's not it's a costume more than it is a true belief system
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and you still see this today exactly yeah where you run into these guys who have been at it for a long
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to me they could have been 30 years or 15 years 20 years and they're hostile towards people who are
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learning about these things and trying to get involved with it because they don't actually want
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it to become mainstream and they don't actually want it to be something that develops into a real
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movement that can win because that removes the edginess from it and that removes their identity and
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so they're more interested in maintaining i call them nazi hipsters because it's like they're kind of like
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doing it i'm so cool i'm so secretive i'm so you know niche yeah yeah yeah they're not actually
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their concern isn't winning it's about maintaining their their their identity that you know everything
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they do is is based upon so um that's that's where you get that kind of mix and so um what you you
02:04:55.980
discovered is is obviously the in between the thing that can appeal to normal you know working class
02:05:00.940
guys that are you know social and they have large friend groups and they see what's going on but
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they don't want to be associated with you know this um kind of uh undesirable vulgar um you know
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unattractive uh you know street movement type stuff but they also aren't interested in listening to
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you know endless lectures from nick fuentes or richard spencer they want something they can actually do and
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be a part of that helps grow something and that that's what you know this model is and that's why
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it's so threatening because it actually does appeal to regular guys to the average you know man who's
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just looking for something that he can be involved in um so absolutely you know you were talking about
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like how journalists fear it and um they have you ever heard of the cep counter extremist project
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uh i pretend i think they might have written articles about us so i might yeah i think they
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they yeah i think you guys well they wrote a uh a sorry 50 page thing called the 3.0 strategy the 50
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page thing you could find this online you could look it up look up cep counter extremist project i
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forget what's called active club 3.0 model or something but they truly fear that and you know what did
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they write a 50 page you know i mean this model was read out to the um the guy who wrote this
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alexander ritzman gave a lecture to i don't know what you would call it in australia the parliament
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i guess down there yeah read it out to some congress parliament i forget the the the the thing uh handed
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this to the fbi and you guys i mean this this 50 page document it's open out there they have another
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version of it that is the law enforcement enforcement version which i have not been able to get my hands
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on yet but i hope to get on one day but it's basically how to stop the 3.0 thing which they wrote
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up which you know but anyway the thing i was going to say is um you know did they write a 50 page thing on
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you know yeah richard spencer or you know the the 2.0 thing no is there
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are people going in front of you know politicians and saying hey watch out for these edge lords over
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here you know or this podcast they hear you know i mean it's that too sometimes you know but
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this was the the 3.0 model because again and they talk about it in many articles and things is that
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again we have something to offer guys in the real world which is going to keep guys lasting and that's
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the other important factor of this right you could tune into a podcast right on the weekend of course
02:07:45.900
we tune in we listen in i love it we drop a couple slurs it's so fun and then monday rolls around and i
02:07:51.500
put my suit and tie back on and i'm back to me i'm back to regular john you know with the 3.0 thing it's
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a lifestyle when you go to the gym even when you're not with your boys you feel like you're still in the
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lifestyle you're still part of it when you throw on the shirt you know a three a will to rise shirt
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or whatever it is a club you're you're in it the lifestyle the way you it becomes something that
02:08:14.140
that keeps guys a lot longer grabbing somebody's attention for a podcast or grabbing somebody's
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attention because you're on the corner screaming nigger at cars this captures attention for a short
02:08:26.220
period what i wanted to do was to create a lifestyle that captures you that this is you were involved in
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is from the morning you wake up to the morning to when you go to sleep you know and that's what we
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need because i know guys in bigger organizations right and and they would say early on we have this
02:08:44.780
turnaround right you know we get guys that come in young full of energy and fire and then you know
02:08:50.220
a couple months they go meet a girl or whatever and they fizzle out because there was nothing else
02:08:54.940
for them to do right that they you know and that's what's important that's why that what i consider
02:08:59.900
too that another thing that a lot of clubs are doing are starting businesses generating income
02:09:04.860
making money building this it's something more than just the shock and awe tactics to the past right
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because this is going to keep guys in the movement long term when guys stay in the movement long term
02:09:16.300
they can do things long term you know it's it's you know yeah so this is another element that i was
02:09:23.260
going to contrast to you know show why the model works is that when it came to the you know right
02:09:30.620
wing nationalist you know whatever framing you want to use for you know the types of groups that existed
02:09:36.140
prior to the active club model um you would you could typically categorize it into like one or two
02:09:41.980
things so there was the the people who were solely focused on the intellectual side of it the online
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aspect of it and um you know they aren't actually interested in in doing the irl stuff so it's like
02:09:52.940
online communities stuff like that or if they were interested in doing anything irl it was um
02:09:59.180
you know let's put on suit and ties and we'll we'll give you know lectures and and speeches and stuff
02:10:04.540
like that and that's similar to what i was discussing earlier it's it's not sustainable because
02:10:08.460
how many lectures are you going to listen to and also how many conferences can you put on you can't
02:10:13.500
necessarily do that every week especially in this political climate where you know that they'll shut
02:10:19.180
down venues they'll you know they'll attack venues if they know where they are it's difficult to
02:10:23.500
promote them etc so you had them or the type of people who would you know like to meet in pubs you
02:10:30.300
know privately and they're not really necessarily advertising it and they would have weekly meetings
02:10:34.540
and again it's okay so we show up at the pub and we talk about it like where where is this going you
02:10:39.100
can do that a few times or you can get that element into something an organization that's doing other
02:10:45.660
things but eventually you know people are going to get sick of you know showing up to the same thing
02:10:50.620
every week and if they don't get sick of it it's because it's a hobby to them and they just enjoy
02:10:55.980
doing it and they're not again they're not actually looking for solutions they just like talking about
02:10:59.820
the problems so that goes nowhere on the other end of it you got the the street movements who had no
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culture backing it up and so there's you know like a good example this is stuff like the it's not
02:11:10.620
necessarily nationalist and it's uh you know focused but it's referred to generally as the freedom
02:11:16.940
movement in canada which is the the kind of protest movements that popped up you know in the covet era um
02:11:24.060
this became a hobby for people and there was no organization backing it it was just a constant
02:11:30.620
let's show up on saturday you know to this location in the city somewhere and you'll have
02:11:36.220
your sign about immigration and i'll have my sign about digital id and you'll wave your canadian flag
02:11:41.740
and i'll wave my whatever you know gadsden flag and like there's no cohesion there's no whatever so
02:11:47.500
this similar aspect of it is like there's there's no real um progression in it they're just doing the
02:11:54.060
same thing over and over and eventually people fall out of that and you know that that's not a way to build a
02:11:59.900
lasting organized movement the difference with the 3.0 model is is exactly what you just described
02:12:04.860
it's a lifestyle that incorporates elements of activism to it so you're going to focus on your
02:12:10.300
day-to-day stuff together you're going to exercise you're going to train you're going to you know eat
02:12:14.460
right you're going to share information with each other you're going to talk you're going to do all
02:12:17.580
those things and then you're going to pair it with occasional let's go out and do a banner drop
02:12:21.900
let's go out and drop stickers let's go out and do that so so you're getting both of those things
02:12:26.060
involved and then there's progression like you can what are we going to improve on okay well
02:12:31.020
this time we're going to have you know a bigger better banner and more guys for it this time we're
02:12:35.660
going to have 30 guys at training instead of 20. this time we're going to have you know there's a
02:12:39.980
constant you know scaling of the project so that's you know what was lacking in these things at least
02:12:45.980
from how i see it yeah there's one more point to that too that i just want to add to that i think is
02:12:51.820
really important too this is i think actually one of the most important points about the 3.0 model
02:12:57.100
the active club the activists you know it's like all this style there's a austrian painter out there
02:13:04.700
somewhere and he had this quote and he said he who holds the youth holds the future
02:13:12.220
when you see a guy you know he's getting his intellectual debate he's on the suit and tie
02:13:17.100
and he's talking about crime statistics and he has a chart behind him and he's pointing off the graphs
02:13:22.780
how many 16 year olds think watch that and go fuck yeah dog hell yeah bro point out that graph you know
02:13:29.180
but when he sees a bunch of young white guys at the park training doing this he says wait a second he
02:13:36.540
goes i don't even know what these guys are about but that's cool and i want to be part of that i want
02:13:41.580
i'm lacking in my life i'm sitting playing xbox right now i want to be out doing cool stuff i want to
02:13:46.460
take risks i want to be rebellious you know and that was the other big thing when i first got
02:13:51.740
involved in this scene um during all right days i met up with these guys we'd go out to the pub right
02:13:57.500
and all these guys are dressed in suit and ties and even though they're like 20 years old these guys
02:14:00.780
like 20 years old but they would uh suit and tie and we'd go to like we were in like san diego like
02:14:05.740
hip you know guys are in there with girls and fucking you know and these guys were dressed like
02:14:12.460
you know dressing up like we're we're ready to go to amran or whatever
02:14:17.340
and i remember this this is a true thing this also led me to break away from that scene to start ram
02:14:23.420
this is one of the defining moments the story i'm going to tell you is that we were there one of the
02:14:27.660
guys got really drunk and there was our table was by the bathroom and this guy was seeing all these
02:14:33.900
young youngs you know yeah i mean it's only a few you know same ages in practically you know with
02:14:39.660
girls and all this and he was just started running his mouth at all and calling them degenerate right
02:14:43.980
as they go even though he's hammered himself he's hammered himself sitting there in a suit and tie
02:14:48.700
first of all he looked like a used car salesman he didn't even have a cool suit on it looked like a
02:14:52.460
it was like a frumpy used car salesman suit and he's trashing these these these people walking past
02:14:58.140
and they're white couples and young white surfer i mean so cal has a very unique culture down there
02:15:04.060
right it's a very cool hip surfer you know okay sure it's not the you know i don't know you know
02:15:11.260
again maybe the puritan spirit stuff kicking in but he was crashing these these guys going to the
02:15:18.220
bathroom with their couples or whatever and one of them turns around to him and not even gives him
02:15:22.700
a dignified response of like fuck you or you know go you know he turns around to him and he goes hey
02:15:28.220
isn't it past your bedtime old man and the guy was 20 years old and he said isn't it past your bedtime
02:15:34.620
old man and i sat there and i just said we're on the wrong path because here he is he's the same
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fucking age as him but you look like an old man he thinks you're an old man you're sitting there
02:15:46.300
wagging your finger like we talked about earlier i said we got to do something attractive we have to
02:15:51.020
pull in the youth because again he who holds the youth holds the future and i think for so long
02:15:57.100
especially in those early alt-right days i remember going to groups like uh you know going out to the
02:16:01.820
pub and everyone was talking about how to win over the republican party how to win over their parents
02:16:07.580
you know how many times i heard motherfuckers have conversations about how to win their parents over
02:16:12.300
dog who cares if your six-year-old father starts seek hiling in the kitchen dog he's old he's done he has
02:16:19.340
nothing to offer anymore maybe he could give you a few shekels or something like this but he's his time
02:16:24.540
has passed he has his 401k he has his house he is not going to take any real risk he's not going to
02:16:31.500
proverbial storm the bastille as we would say but you know who is going to storm the bastille
02:16:37.420
a 17 year old he is going he is all gun-ho and ready to go and when i went to these meetings all
02:16:44.940
these guys i was talking about culture i talked about music i talked about graffiti i made these i you
02:16:49.260
know again i grew up in queens doing graffiti right i used to make you know if you go to the usps
02:16:54.540
post office you had the hello of my name no the sender or two thing or you know those stickers
02:16:59.980
hello my name is yeah those little thing why i used to write on them i would tag them up but when
02:17:04.460
i first got involved i would write slogans like white unity on those stickers and i'd slap them up
02:17:09.420
and i slapped them up when we were at one of these bars one day with these alt-right guys that i was with
02:17:13.740
and i did it in graffiti font and all this the guy he didn't even know i slapped it so he took a photo of
02:17:18.380
and he saw it in the bathroom he came back to the table he goes look at this like this is cool but
02:17:22.300
you know the graffiti again you know kind of talk about the graffiti and all this
02:17:27.340
basically what the point i'm trying to make is that i felt like 1.0 2.0 again was so 1.0 maybe
02:17:34.380
was just focused again like you know everything it burned all down type stuff but 2.0 was focused like
02:17:40.780
let's convince our boomer parents that actually hit where it was based and all this and i think 3.0 a big
02:17:46.460
attraction that we have is that we have something that could we could offer the youth that's attractive
02:17:52.300
we have something that's cool that looks cool let me tell you something one of the best guys that i've
02:17:58.140
met through this nationalist scene the guy that we would all want in our ranks he looks like a
02:18:03.980
abercrombie and fitch model he has a gorgeous girlfriend he's a total california chad right
02:18:09.020
he felt the same way as we all felt right but he was just like me he didn't couldn't find anything
02:18:16.060
to join in all this he looked at it it was all anti-social and when he came across a ram video
02:18:21.260
and he's seen us wearing uh band sneakers and we're boxing by the ocean and we're traveling to europe and
02:18:27.580
we got videos of girls in it and such he was able to show that to his girlfriend and say this is what i'm
02:18:32.780
about this is what i want to be part of and she couldn't trash talk it because it was cool it was
02:18:38.460
attractive and that guy ended up getting involved in doing things later on in life i know a lot of
02:18:42.140
guys did a lot of guys i know guys now that are in europe that are near the levers of power that started
02:18:50.860
off because they seen these early hype videos just like woodstock for the leftist brought in a bunch of
02:18:57.820
fucking teenagers offered them rock and roll tie-dye t-shirts and fucking marijuana or whatever
02:19:06.300
you know they they start off with this stuff but then they grow up and they take these with them
02:19:10.780
3.0 also offers something to the youth which i think the right never cared about the right never
02:19:17.580
paid attention you know we talked about earlier with elvis right you had people outside of elvis concerts
02:19:23.020
saying fucking go to church instead of listening to elvis but imagine if they would have
02:19:28.060
coerced elvis and said hey listen we're a local church around here would you mind if you know
02:19:32.780
you said a few nice words about the church after you know we'll throw you a couple bones or whatever
02:19:37.420
would you mind if you rock the confederate flag on stage i mean they could have done things like this
02:19:41.580
you know but they didn't and they shut out the youth and i think the 3.0 model we offer the youth
02:19:48.060
something attractive something rebellious something that is anti the nanny state we all live in and i think
02:19:54.220
that's another really strong point of the 3.0 it's rebellious but it's pro-social it's you know edgy but
02:20:02.460
it's constructed it's not like it's not like you know uh in the the your your backyard in the woods
02:20:11.900
wearing a you know replica uniform it's cool when you see the guys get out in like the black jackets
02:20:18.700
with the mask when you see you know nsn or second sons or patriot front marching the street with the
02:20:24.300
masks on it's cool a young man is going to see that and be like hey that's exciting that's adventure
02:20:30.860
because this is the other thing and not to rant but the other strength we have with this activist
02:20:39.100
as i call it the 3.0 culture is that we cater to things that are inherent within whites white men
02:20:47.500
when you talk about crime statistics and things like this this is learned information or a little
02:20:51.820
bit you know it's kind of like you know you have to do this and this when we cater to stuff that's
02:20:55.820
why we don't need to put words in our that's why so many of our videos are hype videos where we don't
02:20:59.420
even need to put words in it right because inherently when you watch it as a young man and you see a
02:21:05.820
bunch of guys marching down the street when you see them doing boxing when you see them putting up
02:21:09.420
stickers when we see them defying the police and standing for the word for theirs you have things
02:21:15.740
like honor risk-taking adventure being bold being a warrior this is deeper than any type of political
02:21:25.340
programming that could be conjured up this is deeper than ideology this is this is what makes the
02:21:32.060
european character and we now we're re-catering to that to people through these hype videos through
02:21:38.700
these activist demonstrations that people don't even need to know what the is being said they
02:21:43.180
just see the hype video and they say that's that's cool i want that there's the old adage of you know
02:21:49.820
it's not what you're selling it's how you sell it it's not what you say it's how you say it it's not
02:21:54.780
what you do it's how you do it you know what i mean like it's yeah there's an element like you know
02:21:59.740
there's there's there's a way to play the game properly and so like great examples of this is
02:22:05.100
why you know again it's a more superficial element but the physical fitness stuff is important because
02:22:10.220
guys how many you know fat or you know little you know twigs and like how how many right-wing
02:22:16.700
leaders have we gone through that are just unattractive like they're they can't sell the
02:22:21.500
ideology and even like even if they have the correct ideology they're not good representations of it it's
02:22:27.020
like they're not you know living what they say they believe in it's like i i tell this to
02:22:33.500
yeah look at the old fascist propaganda posters what did they put on there they put chads on there
02:22:39.100
and we're just doing the same thing dog we're just bringing back the chads to fascism you know
02:22:42.940
we're just throwing it back in there the way i like to say to you know our guys is nationalism
02:22:48.780
isn't like something you believe it's an action it's like every everything about it is something that
02:22:53.420
you're doing and if you're not doing those things then why do you believe in them you say you believe
02:22:58.220
in the health of the nation but you don't believe in the health of yourself and you're part of the
02:23:02.140
nation so like there's all these little things it's things that you do more than what you say and this
02:23:06.940
like you said this is inherent to a lot of guys that's why they don't necessarily need it spelled
02:23:11.180
out in lecture form for them although that can be useful to a certain extent of course don't get me
02:23:15.980
wrong you need the yeah some people think like i shit on that stuff too much i'm i i the reason
02:23:21.820
maybe sometimes too i shit on that stuff so much is because they shit on me for so long you know
02:23:25.420
because for so long they were like you know i was considered um and maybe because my my mannerisms
02:23:31.420
and all this i'm considered you know street whatever you want to call it street ruffian or
02:23:37.340
i don't know the word you would say hooligan i hear sometimes um but i mean what do you think the
02:23:43.340
brown shirts were you think what do you think they were it's funny to me because it's typically
02:23:49.740
so one of the reasons that i i really liked joel davis uh and and sewell and and blair
02:23:55.180
cuttrell are also great at this but they're really good at explaining why the grug you know caveman
02:24:03.180
you know brain take is actually the correct intellectual take and so they can take this
02:24:08.140
like simple thing that you know guys understand inherently and then they can draw it out and be like
02:24:13.020
no this is what's actually happening you know behind like what what you're not getting about
02:24:17.580
this is much more you know there's there's a deeper element to it so the funny thing is it's
02:24:21.980
actually the intellectuals who need this spelled out for them it's not the the average guy just gets
02:24:26.940
it it's it's the the the guys who want to sit around all day and jerk themselves off the ideology
02:24:33.260
and philosophy and stuff they're the ones who need this like presented to them in a more intellectual
02:24:39.420
and academic way and then then they can get it but um there was another uh element of that too that
02:24:45.340
i wanted to jump into which was regarding the youth um yeah we see this all the time with uh you
02:24:51.260
know the right-wing institutions that do still exist or you know have died off recently that was
02:24:56.860
their primary failure you see this in in every aspect of the right wing that's you know any elements
02:25:01.980
of it that still remain you know from the post-war era uh they're all dying or dead so whether that's
02:25:09.180
like i know canada more than say the united states but things like legions right so our legion hall
02:25:14.140
which was like where our veterans you know would congregate and drink those are similar things yeah
02:25:18.700
we're dying institutions because they never you know did anything to try and bring the youth into
02:25:23.660
them you know things like uh the lions clubs elks knights of columbus exactly that's a great one
02:25:30.460
these are things that were primarily right-wing kind of coded and appealed to those kind of
02:25:35.580
community-oriented you know patriotic nationalist type people who wanted to be involved in their
02:25:40.380
community and nothing was done to preserve them or translate them to the youth fuck it's even true
02:25:45.980
of things like the hell's angels like i don't know if you saw the story going around recently they're
02:25:50.140
working with indians and it's like like they're these organizations are like a punjabi-seek motorcycle
02:25:56.540
gang right and it's like these are the reasons why these institutions are dying out because one you
02:26:01.500
you lost what you were really about to begin with and two you didn't bring this to the youth at all
02:26:06.380
and present it to them in a way that they could you know pick it up and carry it into the future so
02:26:11.180
you don't have that the left did a very good job at capturing the youth and appealing to them so
02:26:16.060
it's it's super important for sure it's it's the the most important it's honestly the most important
02:26:22.060
another and what when you're talking about the institutions think about the the millions of
02:26:26.940
dollars that go into the republican party and donations to i don't know you know spread republic
02:26:32.380
you know well the millions of dollars they could have made movies they could have signed singers they
02:26:37.900
could have came out with funded clothing brands fashion icons they could have done all these things
02:26:43.820
but again the right and this is part of a right side left side thinking like the brain stuff you could
02:26:49.340
get deeper into it see i'm left-handed so i had this i had this uh defect yeah so i saw things from a
02:26:56.780
creative standpoint growing up you know but for most right side thinkers we think of things very like
02:27:02.780
again when i first got to alt-right it was like well we need a political party we need to have our
02:27:08.140
platform we need to have our manifesto we need to have our um by what you know and i was just like hey
02:27:15.900
how about we just we just see some cool stuff man let's just have some fun you know with the youth
02:27:21.900
too i point this one out all the time because it's like there's two conservative leaning parties that
02:27:28.540
exist in canada and if you look at any of their conferences or their you know local meetings their
02:27:34.940
canvassing events any of this stuff it's all bald people in gray hair like what what like i don't
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understand how you look at that and don't go we need to change something because we're dying not
02:27:47.100
not like literally we're dying all of the people who support us are on their way out and if we don't
02:27:52.460
change something there's going to be no one left that supports us and they don't do anything so
02:27:56.620
there's there's that element of it too like if you don't if you're not bringing in youth and like
02:27:59.740
this is like again it's one of my primary concerns like how do we start bringing in more and more
02:28:03.260
younger guys because even we it's we have like more uh you know 25 to 45 guys than you know 18
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to 20. well now we got the uh i'm not sure if you've seen the uh youth clubs pop up around they're
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in the chat they're in the chat yeah big shout out to the youth clubs out there man i wanted to jump
02:28:22.540
back to you and just make one point about what we were talking about earlier with the anti-social stuff
02:28:27.420
there's often this like what i described before about these people who it's become their identity
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and now they're actually trying to gatekeep it like they're they're very aggressive towards anybody
02:28:38.540
who's coming into it and one of the things that's important to remember about that is that's not
02:28:44.300
reserved to just you know punk skinheads or um you know like thug type guys like it's not just them
02:28:52.060
you will see this happen as well with what you described with this 20 year old in the suit and tie
02:28:57.820
so like he's trying to present himself as being like this upright you know traditional like i like
02:29:03.180
i you know reject the generacy i'm going to look like i'm you know like i'm out of the 1950s or
02:29:09.340
something like that but they're performing the same thing so that's his identity in the same way that
02:29:14.060
the nazi punk's identity is his identity and that's why you'll you'll see that manifest a lot even with
02:29:18.940
them where they will attack people and you know basically push them away from the ideology by just
02:29:25.100
being a douchebag um and like you know there's examples that we could point to of this but um
02:29:31.100
you know it's the same anti-social behavior just coming from a different character so um it's yeah it's
02:29:36.940
not reserved for you know like the the 1.0 model you saw it in both um again the the the all right days
02:29:45.180
and such when we were doing ram and all this and you know i first started both rise the active clubs
02:29:51.020
and i was more doing podcasts and things like trying to get out there and so i you know i won't go into
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anything but i reached out to a couple different people that clearly knew who we were clearly you know
02:30:04.780
there was some overlap and such and these guys you know didn't want anything to do with it you know
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like they're you know you know stone stone wall and things like this it is what it is because yeah
02:30:17.980
like you said there are a lot of guys that want to keep this a niche you know this is the the growing
02:30:25.100
pains of becoming mainstream we have guys and i even felt it myself when i got out of prison to be
02:30:30.300
honest at first when i first got on x and i seen all these things i seen all these new guys every
02:30:35.420
other guy has a fucking you know podcast and following and shit and i was like damn dog you
02:30:40.300
know yeah like i was in the trenches you know who is this guy to to talk you know and i felt the same
02:30:47.340
way i was like who are these new guys coming in here you know who is this this guy over here you know
02:30:51.980
i felt all at first i was pretty bitter about things actually to be honest when i first got out
02:30:56.460
of prison i was a little bitter looking at a lot of things you know not like the the club scene like
02:31:00.460
the activism shit obviously i was like this is great but like i don't know i just seen all these these
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accounts of just guys giving like hot takes and it's like some fucking i'm like what is this who
02:31:09.500
is this guy what has he done in his personal life i mean yeah he says this and that but who like who
02:31:14.380
is this guy you know what does he do what is what is his resume anyway i'm over it you know i say it's
02:31:22.140
okay you know what he's spreading the message he's doing his thing i i understand it because but the way
02:31:28.620
you frame that is perfect because it's not about being new it's about what are you actually doing like
02:31:33.900
so i used to get that a lot like i would when i had twitter i was able to go on twitter spaces and
02:31:38.620
one of the big things i was pushing for constantly is like what do you what are you actually organizing
02:31:42.620
like what are you are you translating any of the things that you're talking about into like a real
02:31:47.580
world institution or club like what what actually how are we actually going to translate all of this
02:31:53.340
awareness like so many people are aware of what's going on and so few people are actually doing
02:31:58.220
anything so like what how are you going to do that and i would often get these guys who say
02:32:02.220
something along the lines of like i've been in these politics for 20 years or 30 years like
02:32:07.900
who are you to like you know question what i've done and i'm like well i've been in these politics
02:32:12.860
for less than half a decade and i can demonstrate a resume to you of what i've done like i can show you
02:32:19.820
physically what i've done so i don't sacrifice you know things like this you know it's like
02:32:26.220
why why also why does it matter if a guy spent the last 20 years reading books and knowing every
02:32:33.500
argument and doing all these things if he didn't do anything with it so like what like why should i
02:32:38.300
like that's cool like i'm glad that you know you were somebody who was you know trying to push this
02:32:42.620
information out but like how does that help us now that you have been doing this so long it's like
02:32:47.100
it's kind of like you're you're posting your l here man that you knew about this stuff for so long
02:32:51.820
and you did nothing so like what yeah yeah yeah no i i definitely understand yeah yeah but i yeah i
02:33:00.220
100 get like it's got to be rough for guys like yourself there's other ones that you could point to
02:33:06.300
who have been putting in the work for a decade or more like they're mark call it's a good example
02:33:12.220
for two plus decades he's been putting in work you know for for his beliefs and uh he's not the one
02:33:19.020
who gets to benefit from being allowed on twitter now he's not the one you know who gets the mega
02:33:23.740
podcast talking about the things that he was talking about 15 years ago so i could see somebody
02:33:28.300
like him having like a little bit of just a chip on your shoulder that you you went through it all and
02:33:33.740
you know it's the other person the johnny come lately who got all the attention and the credit so
02:33:39.100
you could see that in a few guys and i don't blame them but yeah yeah it's it's like you know like
02:33:44.860
again i it you know i could understand this and such but at least for myself i say well you know
02:33:53.100
you see clubs doing that you know it's it's out there it's it's in the zeitgeist it's in the mainstream
02:33:58.140
now so maybe it's not myself which also too when we first started brand the reason we wore masks and
02:34:05.740
we put on music and we didn't speak was because we were actually kind of rebelling against the face
02:34:11.580
personality we're rebelling against the rich expensive we were like you know we're we're i
02:34:17.100
think uh so well yeah so i'll said something that once like uh you know we wear the mask because we're
02:34:22.140
all part of national you know national soldiers we're all part of it so that was kind of the idea
02:34:26.060
too it's like i wasn't we were kind of rebelling against like the the dispensive thing and and
02:34:32.940
you know the the the important thing is what carried forward never mind the name
02:34:38.300
the style the aesthetic the 3.0 stuff this is what carried forward and this was what was most
02:34:45.180
important so it's funny at the end of the day earlier today i was writing up a you know a little
02:34:53.740
long form piece about you know the masks and who's making the criticisms criticisms of it and why we do
02:35:01.100
it and stuff like that and one of the reasons that i have you know the finish about why we do it is
02:35:06.300
because of unity and uniformity it's like there's something powerful about 40 guys going somewhere
02:35:13.500
with a banner that has a simple message and then one guy speaking about it and basically that you
02:35:19.020
know the psychological implication here is that all of these guys who are standing behind him have
02:35:23.420
conceded their individual you know nuance to the opinion and they're saying this guy can say it and i'm
02:35:29.340
behind him right so it's like you don't need to be an individual in this situation that's part of the
02:35:35.180
problem and to go back to what i was discussing about things like you know the so-called freedom
02:35:38.780
movement and some of these other you know protest kind of things that have existed everybody feels
02:35:43.820
like they're entitled to have a say and so there's four you know five different people with megaphones
02:35:49.340
there's different people trying to jump on the mic to have their particular say and there's no
02:35:53.900
cohesive message behind it it's all it's a whole bunch of individuals who are just trying to get
02:35:58.940
their particular branding of the message out whereas putting on the mask getting behind one face out
02:36:04.780
person or even mask on person who's going to relay that message in one you know coherent cohesive
02:36:11.420
you know uh succinct way that's that's what you need is drop the i need to be a special snowflake
02:36:17.660
individual and get behind these guys who have enough of the message right that i can just sign my
02:36:23.900
tacit agreement over to it so yeah and that's the other great thing too about it all of us in the
02:36:30.300
same kind of shared activist culture too because it gives us you know like you said i remember seeing
02:36:35.100
like bro the the when we were going to the the events in 2016 the maga events and shit i mean there
02:36:43.100
was a million different flags flying you had maga flags you had people flying fucking you know their local
02:36:49.900
puerto rican flags shiny i mean just every different flag you could think of gads and flags
02:36:54.860
fucking state flags anti-communist i mean just a million different things the crusader flag that you
02:37:01.740
know 3.0 and a three percenter flag you know what i mean it was just it was just like this big mosh of
02:37:08.780
people with all different opinions with different things and um when you see the demonstrations put on by
02:37:16.780
organizations today and it's just one it's like listen you know the 98 rule 98 of the stuff
02:37:23.100
everyone is in agreement with the other percent who cares you know see even what you just described
02:37:28.780
there as well is so all these people ostensibly with their different flags are you know kind of
02:37:35.340
saying what they're for you know we talked about earlier they're against things but you know they're
02:37:38.860
saying what they're for you know by flying a specific flag but the problem with it is the reason that
02:37:43.980
they're at these rallies is is for a specific topic and so what they're yeah based basically
02:37:49.340
what they're doing is they're they're anti-something right the the protest is almost certainly because
02:37:54.540
they're anti-something they're against transgenderism they're against you know carbon taxes they're
02:37:59.100
against you know what whatever thing it might be that's being done but everybody is there representing
02:38:04.780
their own you know individual version of of what you know that thing uh um you know why that thing is
02:38:14.220
a problem and what should be done about it and again there's no co there's no leader there's no
02:38:18.860
coherent ideology uniting them there's no actual yeah i mean i used to see i'm telling you you go look
02:38:25.820
at there was a vice documentary they did i think they showed like that over i mean it was just you had
02:38:32.620
characters showing up you had guys showing up in spartan uniforms guys showing up as militiamen guys
02:38:38.300
showing up as i mean i remember going to these events it was like a circus it was and then again
02:38:43.900
at the same time once again back to the youth thing it's like this is what you're going to show you're
02:38:48.620
part of hey i'm part of this fucking ragtag uh you know he's a he thinks he's a spartan soldier this guy
02:38:56.940
here thinks he's a crusader this guy here is a militia swamp man this guy here is a vietnamese
02:39:03.340
i don't know what the he is you know it was just chaos i mean he went through it it's just this
02:39:09.020
just nonsense and then everyone interprets everything different you know you listen to these people
02:39:12.780
you know this to the the chinese guy the vietnamese guy there his idea of maga is like a world apart from
02:39:20.940
the swamp guy's idea of maga you know there's zero cohesion behind you know this is why again so the
02:39:29.660
the what has evolved out of the active club model in terms of demonstrations and the the strategies and
02:39:36.220
approaches towards you know public actions or demonstrations is something that addresses this
02:39:42.380
directly and the way i like to explain this you know or have been trying to explain it to people is
02:39:47.340
that the form of protesting that we've seen out of the right you know particularly in the last decade
02:39:53.420
is basically a a an attempt to imitate the large-scale protests of the left and so for the left this
02:40:02.060
works this kind of we are going to all show up because we don't like this thing and even if we don't
02:40:08.780
all agree each other we're just going to put that aside we're just going to focus on attacking this one
02:40:12.940
thing because they have the hegemony like so it doesn't matter if they're not you know entirely
02:40:17.900
united cohesively whereas also their their hate is focused at one thing which is the white men
02:40:24.140
so it's a little easier for them right you could all show up and it's like the white male for us
02:40:30.380
you know again the vietnamese guy he's over there talking about i don't know god knows what he's talking
02:40:35.820
about someone's there for abortion somebody's there for taxes somebody's there because you know
02:40:42.060
whatever you know what i mean it's a million different reasons absolutely the left is just
02:40:46.380
like hey kill whiting so it's really easy to kind of bring them together the the difference though of
02:40:53.500
what we've seen with you know the the public actions being performed by patriot front or the nsn
02:41:00.220
or you know nordic resistance movement that like any of the european clubs uh you know us up here the
02:41:05.900
approach is very different in that instead of everybody showing up in whatever you want to wear
02:41:10.860
with whatever message you want to put on a sign and any flag that you want to fly and you know you
02:41:15.820
look like a slob and show up late or you know whatever these are very like what's being done by the
02:41:21.180
nationalist groups now is very strict very disciplined very well organized extreme like extremely um extreme
02:41:29.660
foresight in logistics um you know get in get out uh you know present yourselves in a uniform manner
02:41:37.100
one message very simple everybody knows what it's about they these demonstrations look more like
02:41:43.660
something uh you know you would see at a military parade then then they do a protest and that's the
02:41:50.060
point um and i don't know that's that's our strength i mean if you look at fascist nsdp the iron guard
02:41:59.980
franco i i don't think discipline is our strength i don't think the whole idea yeah go ahead sorry i was
02:42:08.300
just saying i i don't think a lot of the right wing has necessarily caught up on this yet because they're
02:42:13.100
still hostile towards it but i guarantee you as these demonstrations evolve in their scale and
02:42:18.940
sophistication and they're not 40 guys there are hundreds of guys or thousands of guys you will
02:42:24.300
see them you know speak about it positively and the way the reason i know this is because when you know
02:42:32.140
the the polish nationalists do their well-organized march you know you don't see you know the
02:42:38.220
talking conservatives say like like what a bunch of dorks when casa pound you know has hundreds of
02:42:45.500
nationalists throwing romans you know in the streets of rome nobody's talking them and saying
02:42:50.380
like you know what is this like what are these guys hoping to achieve they either ignore it or they're
02:42:55.100
like wow this is awesome which is exactly that they they can't see that you know the thing that they're
02:43:02.380
criticizing or they um denigrate is the thing that is going to ultimately lead to what they want and
02:43:09.020
that's disciplined organized structured groups of men that are um united you know in look in purpose
02:43:19.020
in meaning it's 100 guys speaking with one breath moving with one action using one voice you know
02:43:26.140
breathing one breath like that's what they ultimately are really craving and i don't even think they
02:43:30.780
necessarily realize it yet so um you're starting to see that happen but i'll let you you can add in on
02:43:37.180
that if you want and then uh let's take a quick break and then we'll do the super chats we ran a
02:43:41.420
a little bit long here but i think it was good and that seems like the chat's enjoying it so
02:43:45.260
any anything you want no i think we're good for a break i gotta take a leak to be honest yeah
02:43:49.740
all right so i'm going to uh uh play another song here just quick it'll be uh two or three minutes
02:43:58.140
uh rob and i'll take a quick break and then we'll come back we'll do the super chats all right uh
02:44:03.100
uh we're holy struggling with my uh all right thanks we'll be back in a bit guys
02:47:30.560
If you weren't here earlier when I mentioned it
02:47:33.280
They've got a give send go up for Joel Davis now
02:48:22.760
I know we're already dropping people off on the east coast