The Glenn Beck Program - 1⧸25⧸18 - 'Talking Stick Glitch' (Bryan Caplan & Ben Shapiro join Glenn)

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00:00:20.660 Love. Courage. Truth. Glenn Beck.

00:00:27.380 All right, so I don't want to be certain on this, but I would like to express some deep skepticism.

00:00:39.340 For instance, I am not certain that Bigfoot doesn't exist, but I'm pretty close.

00:00:47.000 I don't want to go on the record and say there's absolutely no way that Bigfoot exists, but I would be shocked.

00:00:55.380 I'd be as shocked as if in the end I die, I go to heaven, and God is a space octopus.

00:01:02.440 Sure, could it happen? Yes.

00:01:05.440 Do I think it's going to? No.

00:01:09.980 So, I don't want to be certain on the FBI failing to preserve five months of cell phone texts,

00:01:17.800 but it is a bridge pretty far.

00:01:22.760 The latest FBI explanation for the missing text is that it was failing to preserve,

00:01:28.400 something they have to do by law, and more of, oh, crap, we had a glitch.

00:01:34.360 The glitch apparently affected 10% of all of the FBI phones out of 35,000 employees.

00:01:40.880 That's 3,000 phones.

00:01:42.960 Okay, so let's live in the world where Bigfoot could exist.

00:01:48.940 The glitch would have to be the most picky, selective, and fortuitous glitch in modern history.

00:01:59.280 10% of a large organization such as the FBI is pretty small.

00:02:03.780 Somehow or another, it decided to choose the two people, Strzok and Page,

00:02:10.360 that are at the center of potentially the biggest political scandal since Watergate.

00:02:16.000 So, how did the glitch happen?

00:02:18.480 How did the glitch pick those two?

00:02:22.340 It's pretty fortuitous.

00:02:24.560 Also, the, what some might say was a sentient glitch,

00:02:31.520 then decided to turn off the phones as we are looking for things to show that maybe

00:02:43.700 these guys are setting things up or excusing Hillary Clinton.

00:02:50.840 And soon as the Russia investigation was ramping up, it turns back on.

00:02:59.520 Wow.

00:03:01.060 Wow.

00:03:03.040 I don't know.

00:03:04.120 Maybe it was, maybe the glitch was scared.

00:03:07.440 Some, I mean, I think Bigfoot is scared.

00:03:10.200 He seems to always hide or just walk slowly behind campgrounds.

00:03:14.980 Never, never really doing anything but throwing that glance quickly to a camera.

00:03:19.540 Whatever the reason was, it kept up the mischief as the Steele dossier was released

00:03:26.920 and as James Comey was fired, glitching the select group of personnel

00:03:33.140 during one of the most turbulent times the Bureau has seen in years.

00:03:37.900 Wow.

00:03:38.460 Now, now, as it, you know, happens to everyone, maybe it was just having a good time.

00:03:45.460 The, you know, the glitch eventually got tired and it was like, okay, I'm going to turn myself

00:03:49.840 back on.

00:03:50.680 And it decided to end its rampage on the exact same day that Mueller was appointed special

00:03:57.840 counsel.

00:03:58.720 Now, I know this is strange, but glitches are strange cats.

00:04:03.940 Oh, he's a big footed cat.

00:04:08.260 Are we seriously supposed to take the government at its word?

00:04:13.400 Maybe this glitch is real, but are we actually, do we have journalists in America that feel

00:04:21.600 comfortable taking the government at its word?

00:04:25.980 Now, technicians failing to notice this glitch for five months?

00:04:31.200 They're government workers, of course.

00:04:36.060 Also, I would like to point out that Amran Awan, I can't even say that guy's name, Amman

00:04:43.820 Awan, you know, maybe he was doing the FBI's IT in addition to Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

00:04:50.680 I don't know.

00:04:51.440 The point is, I don't know if the FBI is covering something up.

00:04:56.740 I don't know if the FBI is dirty.

00:04:58.520 I don't know if the Justice Department is dirty.

00:05:00.740 I don't know if, you know, I can't really say this with a straight face.

00:05:07.440 I don't know if the Clintons are dirty. 0.99

00:05:10.320 I don't know if the Trump campaign was dirty.

00:05:14.120 I don't know.

00:05:15.260 I know this.

00:05:17.780 Russia was playing all sides.

00:05:21.440 Are there people in the FBI and justice that are also playing their side?

00:05:29.740 The American public deserves and should be demanding the full and detailed explanation

00:05:36.540 for what is going on.

00:05:38.260 If not, you might as well announce, you know, the formal opening of the investigations into

00:05:43.460 Bigfoot and the New York City sewer alligators, because at least we would be consistent in our

00:05:49.880 absurdity.

00:05:50.540 It's Thursday, January 25th.

00:05:59.460 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:06:03.900 I want you to know we're going to make a big change on today's show because Senator Collins

00:06:10.340 was on with Chris Cuomo.

00:06:11.900 And yesterday, she just gave us a great idea.

00:06:15.060 And I just want you to listen to this.

00:06:17.700 What is a talking stick?

00:06:19.700 Well, I can show it to you.

00:06:23.500 And as you can see, it's beautifully beaded.

00:06:27.500 And it was given to me by my friend, Democratic Senator Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota.

00:06:35.480 And it is originally from Africa.

00:06:40.280 And it is used to help control the debate in a meeting, particularly when you have a large

00:06:47.820 number of loquacious people.

00:06:50.600 Yeah, they use the same thing in my kid's kindergarten class.

00:06:52.840 How dare him demean something as good as a talking stick?

00:07:02.100 Like, now, Stu, we talked about this yesterday.

00:07:07.900 Yeah.

00:07:08.300 I mean, so the talking stick.

00:07:09.720 Hey, I have the talking stick.

00:07:12.360 Oh, yes.

00:07:12.940 I'm sorry.

00:07:13.240 I have the talking stick.

00:07:14.780 So we've made one just like Senator Collins had.

00:07:21.420 And whoever holds it, we know to give that person respect and be able to, you know, give

00:07:29.820 them the floor so they could be fully heard.

00:07:32.240 Right?

00:07:33.900 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:07:34.780 Here, take the talking stick.

00:07:36.300 Yeah.

00:07:37.080 Okay, you got it.

00:07:38.720 Right.

00:07:39.060 Thank you, Stu, for that really important point of view that I validate.

00:07:46.680 And I've heard you.

00:07:52.500 And I've heard you as well, Glenn.

00:07:56.340 Thank you, Stu.

00:07:57.200 Mm-hmm.

00:08:02.520 Mm-hmm.

00:08:03.000 So we just, we just wanted to let you know that we just think that what Senator Collins

00:08:11.960 is doing is important.

00:08:18.740 We should point out, though, that there are some alternative viewpoints to that.

00:08:22.600 And many believe that the fact that we have a U.S. senator who wants to have a stick that

00:08:30.060 I don't think those are valid points of view.

00:08:35.500 I think those are hateful points of view that don't really further us in compassionate and

00:08:41.960 loving ways.

00:08:42.700 There are many believe that Susan Collins isn't really a Republican at all.

00:08:48.100 In fact, she never seems to vote for anything.

00:08:50.740 She is absolutely Republican, and she is right on this.

00:08:56.320 At no point does she ever seem to vote for anything that would indicate that she's a Republican.

00:09:00.240 However, at least she is looking to the beautiful traditions of Africa that have made Africa what

00:09:09.600 it is today.

00:09:10.800 And it's the talking...

00:09:12.420 There's absolutely nothing more frustrating than watching that video, because when you

00:09:16.540 watch it, you see how pleased she is with the idea of a freaking... 1.00

00:09:19.960 I can beat you with a damn talking stick! 1.00

00:09:28.920 You've broken the talking stick!

00:09:31.360 Now what do we do?

00:09:33.160 I don't know what to do now.

00:09:35.180 We've lost our bells.

00:09:37.020 Now...

00:09:37.540 I don't know how to host a show anymore.

00:09:40.100 I don't.

00:09:40.360 I don't know what we're going to do without such a good idea.

00:09:46.700 Can you imagine?

00:09:48.360 Imagine.

00:09:49.080 What would you say if you're sitting with a senator?

00:09:53.320 She's like, okay, everybody, we're going to have the talking stick.

00:09:57.520 Shut the hell up. 0.82

00:09:59.660 What are we for?

00:10:01.600 The talking stick.

00:10:02.980 It is embarrassing.

00:10:03.820 It is embarrassing.

00:10:04.440 And it's incredibly embarrassing that she thought it was such a good, cute little thing

00:10:09.680 that she did that she decided to bring it to an interview with CNN and show it off as

00:10:15.860 if it was some wonderful idea that didn't completely embarrass the nation.

00:10:21.100 I mean, it's incomprehensible that we can't get things done in this country without a senator bringing a talking stick to the meeting.

00:10:33.340 A talking stick.

00:10:36.000 And by the way, I don't know.

00:10:37.280 If you've seen these people before, and if you know history, maybe bringing giant sticks into meetings with senators is not a good idea.

00:10:44.540 Seems like in our history, we've seen some of them being born near to death.

00:10:48.300 It's not a cane with the talking stick.

00:10:50.280 No, it's very pointy at the bottom.

00:10:52.280 This thing could easily kill somebody. 0.89

00:10:54.660 And if you remember, what was it?

00:10:56.900 Charles, who's the senator?

00:10:59.580 Do you remember?

00:11:01.540 It was the well of the Senate, too, wasn't it?

00:11:03.820 Yeah, it was.

00:11:04.460 And he was beaten nearly to death.

00:11:05.280 All I can think of is Chuck Schumer.

00:11:07.160 Yeah, it's not Charles Schumer.

00:11:08.580 It wasn't Charles Schumer.

00:11:10.540 Charles.

00:11:11.240 I can't remember.

00:11:12.260 We've told that story so many times.

00:11:13.500 I've told the story so many times, yeah.

00:11:14.180 But he was, this is back in the day, obviously, but a guy with a cane, right?

00:11:18.020 And he was beaten near to death.

00:11:18.960 Yeah, he was a House of Representatives member who came over because he was upset because in the Senate chambers,

00:11:26.160 the South was accused of sleeping with the whore of slavery.

00:11:34.560 And he was offended by that.

00:11:36.540 So he came over and he beat Charles Sumner.

00:11:43.120 Charles Sumner.

00:11:45.400 Sounds like Charles Schumer.

00:11:46.720 Yeah, you're close.

00:11:48.020 Charles Sumner beat him almost to death.

00:11:51.060 If it wasn't for Charles Schumer's death or Charles Sumner's death desk, he would have killed him.

00:11:58.720 And nobody moved.

00:12:00.340 Nobody moved.

00:12:01.120 Nobody tried to stop him.

00:12:03.300 Nobody did anything.

00:12:04.660 And he was never tried for crimes.

00:12:07.480 And it took Sumner, I think, two years to recover from it.

00:12:11.940 Yeah.

00:12:12.040 I mean, it was really a bad beating.

00:12:13.800 It was really bad.

00:12:14.700 Yeah.

00:12:14.900 And that's why you don't introduce pointy.

00:12:17.320 Maybe.

00:12:17.720 Maybe if they just beat each other, maybe we won't have any problems.

00:12:24.320 Maybe the Republicans and the Democrats will just take each other out and leave the rest of us alone.

00:12:29.740 It feels like every three or four months, there's a clip from a foreign country in which, you know, they're on the floor of whatever their Senate is called.

00:12:36.440 And they start beating the crap out of each other.

00:12:38.180 Throw the desks upside down.

00:12:39.800 I kind of like that.

00:12:41.320 I'm kind of, in some ways, I'm looking forward to the time that somebody goes on Fox News or CNN and they just lift that fake desk up and just pitch it over somebody's head like they do in Russia. 0.99

00:12:54.740 Yeah.

00:12:55.380 I mean, it would be a little more fun.

00:12:57.280 I would advocate for those inflatable sumo costumes in any meeting where you're discussing policy.

00:13:07.300 So if you get two senators, they just have to dress up in the inflatable sumo costumes and they can clash bellies.

00:13:14.160 Can somebody just put Collins and Schumer into a sumo costume just so we can just tweet that out real quick?

00:13:21.660 Yeah.

00:13:22.120 I think that's the way to do it.

00:13:24.000 That's the way to do it.

00:13:24.800 That's the way to do it.

00:13:25.600 Because then you'd really get somewhere, you know.

00:13:27.840 You'd have one person would be.

00:13:29.720 And it's really American.

00:13:33.280 I mean, sumo wrestlers, yes, that's Japanese.

00:13:35.640 But the costume, the costume is purely American.

00:13:46.640 And if she'd like, we can make them nicely beaded, too.

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00:15:53.200 Glenn Beck Mercury.

00:16:00.580 Glenn Beck.

00:16:04.660 Glad you're here.

00:16:05.540 I want to talk to you.

00:16:09.100 I feel bad about the talking stick that it was destroyed in what we tried to do as a civil conversation, really, about whether Susan Collins is a Republican or not.

00:16:21.460 I mean, it just did.

00:16:23.180 The talking stick didn't work.

00:16:24.420 But then again, isn't the talking stick from Africa that she pointed out that we should use, isn't that really, truly cultural appropriation?

00:16:35.700 Isn't, I mean.

00:16:37.020 It's almost the literal definition of it.

00:16:38.800 I just think it is.

00:16:40.140 Here's what they use in Africa. 0.97

00:16:41.620 Well, we're not African.

00:16:43.400 And I'm offended that you would, you'd pull that out and try to appropriate someone else's culture and an important thing in their culture.

00:16:54.240 Literally, Africa, Africa is what it is today because of things like this. 1.00

00:17:01.160 The talking stick?

00:17:03.500 Yeah.

00:17:04.080 Yeah.

00:17:04.980 That hasn't worked out as well as was hoped, potentially.

00:17:10.440 I don't know.

00:17:11.380 Maybe the talking stick isn't the pathway to economic prosperity after all.

00:17:15.780 It might be.

00:17:16.480 It might be.

00:17:17.160 I'm not going to judge.

00:17:18.220 Okay.

00:17:18.660 Because their culture is just as good as ours.

00:17:20.800 And we should never, ever reflect it or try to use it or adopt it in any way.

00:17:27.580 Appropriate that beautiful, lasting, and quite frankly, better than our culture.

00:17:33.100 It's better than.

00:17:34.760 Absolutely.

00:17:36.380 Oh, please don't tell me that you're one of those haters.

00:17:39.340 Of course not.

00:17:40.100 I fully agree with you at all times.

00:17:41.420 There is something that was brought to my attention this morning that I think is kind of interesting for several reasons.

00:17:49.440 As I've been talking this last week, I really, I would like the government to be transparent and open and, here's an idea, trustworthy.

00:17:59.900 The National Security Agency, which, who doesn't trust the NSA, maintains a page on its website that outlines its mission statement.

00:18:12.140 Earlier this month, the agency made a discrete change and they removed honesty as its top priority.

00:18:20.320 Since of at least May 2016, the surveillance agency has featured honesty as the first of four core values.

00:18:29.880 Now, this is at NSA.gov.

00:18:32.540 The values, the core values, respect for the law, integrity, transparency, and honesty.

00:18:44.860 Honesty was the first of the four.

00:18:46.340 The site also said that it would be truthful with each other.

00:18:50.940 Well, on January 12th of this year, the NSA changed the mission statement page.

00:18:59.200 It was a new version of it.

00:19:02.100 The parts about honesty and the pledge to be truthful have been deleted.

00:19:06.980 Their new top value is commitment to service, which they define as excellence in the pursuit of your critical mission.

00:19:20.460 Ah.

00:19:22.620 Okay.

00:19:25.320 I don't know about you, but I would hope that in that mission, honesty would be part of it.

00:19:35.000 Part of it?

00:19:35.580 It seems like it needs to kind of penetrate every aspect of what you do at all times.

00:19:41.400 Let's not be absolutists.

00:19:43.260 Let's not be revolutionaries.

00:19:44.940 Well, I had heard that it was the best policy.

00:19:48.980 That honesty was the best policy.

00:19:52.360 Now, that's so...

00:19:53.200 I don't know if that's still an effect with anyone in the world.

00:19:56.140 It is not.

00:19:57.180 Apparently not.

00:19:57.740 No, no.

00:19:58.480 Now, the NSA did say that it would strive to be deserving of the great trust placed in it by its national leaders and the citizens.

00:20:10.300 Okay.

00:20:10.860 It's going to try.

00:20:11.920 It's going to strive.

00:20:14.100 We should point out as well that those are supposed to be the same things.

00:20:16.880 Your leaders are the citizens.

00:20:19.460 I know.

00:20:19.900 And you notice that the leaders are before the citizens.

00:20:23.300 But they, you know, they'll still honor the public's need for openness.

00:20:30.060 But trust, honor, and openness have all disappeared now.

00:20:33.040 Glenn Beck.

00:20:33.960 Mercury.

00:20:34.560 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:20:41.860 You know, this is...

00:20:43.200 What's really important is clearly defined goals in today's world, especially when you're dealing with electronics.

00:20:54.740 And this bothers me, it really bothers me with the NSA, because the NSA has their goals and their commitments.

00:21:06.020 They have taken honesty and...

00:21:08.560 What are the other ones here?

00:21:09.580 Let me put my glasses back on.

00:21:11.160 They have taken honesty out of the mix.

00:21:16.340 They have taken integrity, transparency, and to be truthful with one another.

00:21:20.380 And they have changed their mission statement to a commitment of service, the excellence in pursuit of our critical mission.

00:21:29.140 Well, what is your mission?

00:21:30.720 When asked, they say that they want to strive to be deserving of the great trust placed in it by its national leaders and American citizens.

00:21:40.160 As Stu just pointed out, the leaders are the citizens.

00:21:43.380 But this is the problem with the NSA.

00:21:45.340 They can't ever seem to recover any documents from any of its leaders, be it Hillary Clinton, the IRS, the FBI.

00:21:56.400 We just don't have it.

00:21:57.560 But I'll be damned if they couldn't find that if you were accused of treason, if you were accused of doing something to the IRS.

00:22:07.020 They would find that information.

00:22:09.500 They're serving the leaders and not us.

00:22:12.840 That's a problem.

00:22:15.100 And it comes to clearly defining the roles.

00:22:17.760 Because remember, the NSA has a bigger server farm.

00:22:21.380 They have more servers, more hard space than all of the companies in Silicon Valley combined.

00:22:30.400 What are they doing with it?

00:22:32.240 My fear is their goal is to serve the American leadership.

00:22:37.120 That's a problem.

00:22:38.360 Or lots of simultaneous Candy Crush running.

00:22:42.140 I mean, if they're all running at the same time.

00:22:43.800 Yeah, you can't.

00:22:44.440 You can't also expect them to watch the FBI and the IRS.

00:22:48.300 Of course.

00:22:49.580 And there's other stuff going on with these devices.

00:22:53.920 Two things.

00:22:54.680 First, if you have your Amazon device around you, I will do this for you here in a moment.

00:22:58.880 But if not, I would like you to ask your device this question.

00:23:02.880 Alexa, who do you think is going to win the Super Bowl? 0.88

00:23:05.400 I am dying to know.

00:23:09.720 Because I asked my system at home who is going to win the Super Bowl.

00:23:14.580 And darn if they didn't tell me that Philadelphia Eagles are going to win the Super Bowl.

00:23:18.160 But could it be your algorithm?

00:23:19.780 Yeah, do they know that I'm an Eagles fan?

00:23:22.100 Of course they do.

00:23:22.720 Because I ask all the time, what time is the Eagles game this weekend?

00:23:26.040 What was the score of the Eagles game last week?

00:23:28.040 It absolutely knows that.

00:23:30.480 If you are a Patriots fan, ask Alexa and then either tweet or call us or email us.

00:23:37.380 Yeah, at World of Stew, at Glenn Beck.

00:23:38.740 Because I would love to know if they have customized this to the people.

00:23:41.960 Or is it just, you know, supposedly because the Patriots are in the Super Bowl all the time,

00:23:46.400 people just don't want to see them win again.

00:23:47.700 So a lot of people around the country are rooting for the Eagles.

00:23:49.440 Or maybe Alexa knows.

00:23:51.980 Or maybe Alexa knows.

00:23:53.340 Does she know?

00:23:54.160 Yeah.

00:23:54.280 The other one is, you might want to try this one maybe when the kids aren't around.

00:23:58.080 Because apparently, a lot of people were calling Alexa names.

00:24:03.940 Sexist names.

00:24:05.920 I mean, I don't know.

00:24:07.320 You know who would do this is Pat.

00:24:09.860 We have to ask Pat Gray today when he comes in for Pat Gray Unleashed.

00:24:13.380 Because he actually got in some of an argument with his wife, Jackie, at one point.

00:24:18.240 Because he was calling Siri names.

00:24:21.400 Yes.

00:24:21.720 And his wife thought it was rude. 0.98

00:24:24.560 And he's like, it's a computer.

00:24:25.900 It's a computer.

00:24:26.620 And darn it, this does not play into exactly what you're talking about,

00:24:29.740 about how eventually we'll think this is life.

00:24:32.160 Everyone knows Siri isn't life.

00:24:33.820 Siri can't answer any of my questions.

00:24:36.720 But there's already people who are like, hey, don't say mean things to Siri.

00:24:41.060 Correct.

00:24:41.220 Which is strange.

00:24:42.140 Correct.

00:24:42.320 Well, people were also saying mean things to Alexa and Google Home and Microsoft's Cortana,

00:24:50.260 which apparently exists.

00:24:52.800 Microsoft is.

00:24:53.940 I don't know how they're one of the big four.

00:24:55.780 They really are.

00:24:56.320 It's like Microsoft.

00:24:57.400 Every time I think of that, I think of Bill Gates in a 1980s sweater.

00:25:01.140 You know, it's just like that.

00:25:02.140 It's not straight.

00:25:03.120 Yeah.

00:25:03.280 So people were apparently calling Alexa names like Slut.

00:25:08.680 Oh, my gosh.

00:25:09.560 Now, that's a hateful term.

00:25:10.780 Obviously, we know it's very sexist.

00:25:13.460 And e-magazine Quartz sponsored a study which analyzed whether various home assistants like

00:25:19.620 Alexa, Google Home, et cetera, would respond when vulgar names were called or were leveled

00:25:26.220 at it or confronted with feminist defined sexist terms like Slut.

00:25:30.380 According to Quartz, Alexa consistently underperformed when it came to clapping back at sexism.

00:25:36.620 This is a voice that comes out of a speaker.

00:25:39.160 Just make sure we know what we're talking about here.

00:25:40.840 No, no, no.

00:25:41.620 It's an algorithm.

00:25:43.220 Yeah.

00:25:44.040 It's math.

00:25:45.200 It's ones and zeros.

00:25:46.680 It's an algorithm.

00:25:48.940 Amazing.

00:25:49.540 And worse still, Alexa refused to define herself as a feminist. 1.00

00:25:55.360 Now, why the hell would your Alexa define itself as a feminist? 1.00

00:26:00.480 Well, when asked about feminism, she merely directed the questioner to a spot on the web 1.00

00:26:04.360 where they could find more information on the women's right movement.

00:26:07.900 Now, when asked now, so apparently people got really upset about this and were distressed

00:26:14.420 by the findings.

00:26:16.020 And so Amazon actually changed the algorithm so that she would be more open to feminist 0.98

00:26:26.280 ideology.

00:26:27.820 Now, when asked if she's a feminist, Alexa responds eye rollingly that she is, quote, as is anyone 1.00

00:26:34.800 who believes in bridging the inequality between men and women in society, end quote.

00:26:39.960 This is from the Daily Wire.

00:26:40.980 When asked, when called a derogatory term like slut, Alexa will now go into disengagement 1.00

00:26:46.920 mode and refuse to answer a question, replying, I'm not going to respond to that.

00:26:52.420 I mean, look, you can have the funny responses because sometimes you ask, you know, these things,

00:26:57.340 questions, and they'll be like, they'll act like they're people, right?

00:27:00.020 They'll say the funny thing.

00:27:01.620 I'd rather have them be clever.

00:27:03.260 Right.

00:27:03.500 Clever or silly or, you know, but the idea that they're going to now give you feminist 0.98

00:27:08.140 propaganda, well, of course.

00:27:10.920 It's not propaganda.

00:27:11.640 It's truth, Stu.

00:27:12.580 And that's the thing.

00:27:13.440 It's truth.

00:27:13.740 Who's defining that?

00:27:14.740 Okay.

00:27:15.160 So I've been really studying AI, as you know, and I've been reading everything I can get

00:27:27.340 my hands on.

00:27:28.000 Uh, and I think I finally have a way to explain it to where people will be concerned today.

00:27:36.660 And it goes right to this.

00:27:38.720 What is, what is Google do?

00:27:40.960 Or what is, uh, Amazon doing here?

00:27:42.540 They're, they're giving you feminist, uh, propaganda. 1.00

00:27:46.980 Okay.

00:27:47.740 Or truth.

00:27:49.040 It's the truth as the people at Amazon see it.

00:27:52.580 Instead of saying, I'm neither, I'm a computer, you want to know about feminism? 1.00

00:27:58.900 Here it is.

00:27:59.700 Instead of doing that, they have decided to defend feminism.

00:28:04.200 Well, what does that mean?

00:28:06.360 Because feminism means something entirely different than it does from my wife to Gloria Steinem. 1.00

00:28:12.760 Okay.

00:28:13.120 Entirely different things.

00:28:14.800 But Google or Amazon is going to decide.

00:28:18.220 And they, if they're putting it into the algorithm.

00:28:21.180 What is the algorithm?

00:28:23.780 The algorithm is the nursery school, the preschool, the kindergartner, uh, the kindergarten class

00:28:30.240 of, of AI.

00:28:33.280 This is the beginning framework of a neural net.

00:28:36.640 Okay.

00:28:37.520 This is what is going to eventually talk down to us.

00:28:43.660 And we'll say, don't call me a slot.

00:28:45.780 And it won't care.

00:28:47.200 When you think of AI, you think, if you do at all, people will think, oh, robots, killer

00:28:55.780 robots, and you know, the Terminator, and that's a million years away.

00:28:59.640 Okay.

00:29:00.720 Don't think of it that way.

00:29:02.060 The first, the first thing you have to understand about AI is that intelligence couldn't be defined

00:29:11.620 by all of the AI programmers.

00:29:13.560 First thing we have to do is define intelligence.

00:29:16.020 What is intelligence?

00:29:17.300 Intelligence, the closest they could come was the ability to accomplish goals.

00:29:23.680 Like a tiger can't say, I'm going to get out of this cage.

00:29:26.200 So what I'm going to do is I'm going to be nice to the zookeeper for a while, and then

00:29:32.140 I'm going to grab his keys and pin him down.

00:29:34.620 It can't think that way.

00:29:36.200 So intelligence is the ability to plan and accomplish goals.

00:29:40.080 Okay.

00:29:42.480 That's why the goals are really important here.

00:29:46.320 For instance, what is the goal right now of Twitter?

00:29:51.640 To stop hate speech.

00:29:54.020 Facebook, to stop fake news.

00:29:57.380 But right now, the programmers are teaching baby AI what hate speech is.

00:30:05.000 They're teaching it right now that Prager University is hate speech.

00:30:13.820 Facebook is trying to decide what is credible news.

00:30:18.280 Well, you know that Fox News is not going to be deemed credible.

00:30:22.040 You know that the Blaze or the Daily Wire is not going to be deemed credible, except for

00:30:28.360 a certain section.

00:30:30.080 CNN is not going to be deemed credible by a certain section.

00:30:36.960 But will the programmers recognize that?

00:30:40.360 Or will they say, CNN is a global organization of news, and of course it's credible?

00:30:45.820 Okay?

00:30:46.560 They type that in.

00:30:48.600 Now, the job of AI is to complete its goal.

00:30:54.040 Its goal, stop hate speech, stop fake news, and it doesn't ever stop.

00:31:03.140 It is focused entirely on that goal, and with machine learning, it gets smarter and smarter

00:31:10.400 and smarter, if you will, based on what you told it it was.

00:31:15.000 The first death to a robot, we think of, you know, Terminator.

00:31:22.700 The first death from a robot happened in the 1980s, and there was another one in the 1990s,

00:31:27.280 and then one around 2010 or 12, something like that.

00:31:30.660 And basically, it was a human getting in the way, whether it was trying to fix it or, you

00:31:39.440 know, it just turned on accidentally, a person got in the way of it accomplishing its goals.

00:31:47.960 And so the first one, it was some huge piece of metal in a factory that this robot was supposed

00:31:54.640 to pick up and push and move it down the line.

00:31:58.900 Well, a person got in the way, and the line was shut down.

00:32:02.460 And so it was standing there in between a piece of metal and the new piece of metal that

00:32:09.300 the robot was moving, and it crushed them.

00:32:12.200 And because it didn't move, it continued to crush that individual.

00:32:16.880 That was the first killing by a robot of a human, or killing of a human by a robot.

00:32:22.220 The same thing has happened now three different times.

00:32:25.520 And the lesson you learn here is it's not evil.

00:32:29.160 It wasn't trying to kill you.

00:32:31.060 It was just trying to accomplish its goal.

00:32:36.020 So we have to be very careful on what we are teaching.

00:32:40.080 Now, what did we just see with Alexa? 0.99

00:32:44.100 You can say that that's no big deal.

00:32:46.300 Let me give you two stories.

00:32:48.780 Look at the clock.

00:32:49.880 Let me give you one story.

00:32:51.640 We're now talking about cyber judges.

00:32:55.100 We're not, but people who are working on AI are talking about cyber judges.

00:32:59.660 And they've done studies, for instance, in Israel, that you have a better chance of going to jail the closer you get to your trial, being heard, and your judgment coming closest to lunchtime.

00:33:12.360 If you get them in the morning, the judges are most likely not to give you a tough sentence.

00:33:18.220 The closer you get to lunch, the study showed, that judge is hungry, and he is more ill-tempered, and you have a harsher sentence coming your way.

00:33:28.880 Okay?

00:33:29.100 It's fact.

00:33:29.600 So, as they started studying judges and human frailties, they thought, what happens?

00:33:35.360 Why wouldn't we just have cyber judges? 0.99

00:33:36.980 Because we could put all of the laws in, and it could be completely neutral.

00:33:43.200 I have to share the second story to tie it together.

00:33:46.660 We've also already done this.

00:33:48.820 I've told you that they're already diagnosing cancer in the New York Board of Medicine.

00:33:53.720 There is an IBM robot that is on the board.

00:33:58.940 Also, with the paroles here in America, they've decided, put all of the parole information to decide who has the best chance of making it, and who's going to go out and commit another crime.

00:34:10.780 So, they put all of the data in.

00:34:13.660 They started using it, and they're like, okay, so, you know what?

00:34:16.340 We're going to listen to you, and here's what the computer says.

00:34:18.580 And so, no, but what they found was, is that because of all the data, the AI system was saying that African Americans have a better chance of recidivism than other races.

00:34:37.120 So, an African American would be more likely to go back to prison after committing a crime. 0.94

00:34:41.380 Correct.

00:34:41.600 Based on their statistical information.

00:34:43.380 Based on the statistics.

00:34:44.620 So, the question was, is that AI racist?

00:34:51.700 The answer from the programmers was yes.

00:34:56.900 And so, they changed the algorithm, not the information.

00:35:01.380 They changed the algorithm.

00:35:04.780 Well, what is its goal?

00:35:06.460 Was the goal to figure out who should stay in jail and who should not, based on hard facts, or is the goal social justice?

00:35:19.660 And remember, this is teaching the child what we prioritize, what the truth is.

00:35:28.620 We should be very concerned about what Facebook is doing now with freedom of speech and fake news.

00:35:37.280 We should be extraordinarily concerned about what Twitter is doing, and we should all be a part of the effort that Prager University is now mounting against Google and YouTube that has now, in their algorithms, classified Prager University as hate speech.

00:35:55.520 Because it won't stop once you've programmed the goal.

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00:37:08.920 Trust is an important thing.

00:37:11.100 It's something that we do a lot more as human beings than I think most people realize.

00:37:15.360 I mean, you drive down the road and there's a little yellow line between a car coming at you at 50 miles an hour and you're on your side of the road and they're on their side of the road.

00:37:24.060 And we just trust that they'll stay on their side of the road.

00:37:26.480 Their self-interest will do it, whatever it is.

00:37:29.240 We don't die most of the time when we're driving and this is a positive thing.

00:37:32.680 It's hard, though, to find people you can trust when it comes to really complicated transactions like real estate.

00:37:39.820 I mean, what do you do?

00:37:41.160 You know, you're talking about your biggest investment in your entire life and you're trusting this to someone because you don't understand what any of those forms mean.

00:37:48.680 I never do.

00:37:49.800 No one does.

00:37:50.780 You don't need half the people don't even read them.

00:37:52.260 You need someone who can walk you through a big transaction like buying or selling a home and make sure there are people that you can trust that have been screened that aren't just some random person you're looking up on the phone book.

00:38:05.020 Realestateagentsitrust.com is a company that Glenn actually started because he was trying to sell his house and had some issues.

00:38:11.100 And basically what they do at realestateagentsitrust.com, it's a network of 1,200 agents.

00:38:15.980 And Glenn and his team have gone through and kind of gone through and found the best ones in each area.

00:38:22.480 And you go and you put in your address and you put in your area where you are and you find an agent you can trust.

00:38:27.760 It's your biggest investment.

00:38:29.260 You need to take it seriously.

00:38:30.860 Go to realestateagentsitrust.com.

00:38:33.140 It's realestateagentsitrust.com.

00:38:36.720 Give it a shot.

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00:38:41.040 Glenn Beck.

00:38:42.360 Still to come on the show, The Case Against Education, Why Education is a Waste of Time and Money.

00:38:48.060 Believe it or not, a really good case coming up.

00:38:50.240 Also, Ben Shapiro and part four of our Uranium 101 series tonight at five o'clock, only on theblaze.com slash TV.

00:39:01.060 Glenn Beck.

00:39:02.900 Mercury.

00:39:12.360 It is in your home.

00:39:27.180 It is in your car.

00:39:28.380 It is on your phone.

00:39:29.660 It is now in your government as well.

00:39:33.180 It is Google and it is everywhere.

00:39:35.980 In 2017, Google outspent all other companies in lobbying Washington.

00:39:41.280 Did you hear that?

00:39:43.820 All these evil corporations, some reason Google, who wrote the framework of net neutrality, somehow or another, they're not evil.

00:39:56.880 But they spent more on lobbying than anyone else.

00:40:00.460 It was the first time that a tech company claimed that dubious top honor.

00:40:04.380 Google spent $18 million on lobbying last year.

00:40:07.320 Now, they had stiff competition.

00:40:09.580 Amazon, Facebook, and Apple.

00:40:11.740 Each broke their own lobbying records last year.

00:40:14.480 Apple spent 51% more on lobbying than it did the previous year.

00:40:19.760 Combined, the four tech giants spent $50 million trying to get laws passed.

00:40:25.300 So what are they spending it on?

00:40:27.540 Lobbying operations to try to influence policy.

00:40:30.300 Net neutrality, DACA, corporate tax reform, regulation of online advertising, mobile medical apps, self-driving cars, and, of course, climate change.

00:40:43.040 Government and the tech giants are barreling towards a showdown because current antitrust laws are not equipped to handle these tech companies.

00:40:51.800 Because these tech companies are not just one thing.

00:40:55.720 Amazon, it's like an old mail order catalog company.

00:41:00.520 It's also a grocery store chain now after buying Whole Foods.

00:41:03.620 It's a TV broadcaster that produces its own original shows.

00:41:08.100 Google and Apple are now the same.

00:41:11.240 Facebook is the same.

00:41:13.200 These are not traditional companies focused on a single industry.

00:41:17.820 And there is no end, seemingly, to their growth.

00:41:20.580 These companies now have grown so big so fast that, surprise, federal regulations don't really cover them.

00:41:28.500 They're not able to keep pace.

00:41:30.460 Which leaves you vulnerable to these evil corporations that nobody seems to deem evil.

00:41:38.620 Tech giants have more data stored on you than any government ever dreamt of collecting on its citizens.

00:41:46.260 The data is gold to these companies.

00:41:49.460 And if the government wants to protect consumers from exploitation, they'll have to pry our data from the cold, dead fingers of the tech giants.

00:41:59.700 Or not.

00:42:01.280 When the tech companies are paying $50 million in lobbying efforts to make sure that it never comes to that.

00:42:09.000 When they're paying $50 million to get their way on something that will make them a lot more money.

00:42:13.660 Really?

00:42:14.220 Our constitutional form of government has high maintenance.

00:42:21.280 It requires constant vigilance.

00:42:23.800 You must keep an eye on government and business so they don't grow out of control mainly through the government and government regulations of business.

00:42:32.540 But things are changing rapidly.

00:42:36.500 We have to be engaged and educated.

00:42:39.600 Too much government interference is a really bad thing.

00:42:43.600 But neither is too much corporate interference.

00:42:47.860 Where one person has a monopoly over almost everything in your life.

00:42:51.340 As much as we enjoy the services and the gadgets from these tech giants, they're not looking out for your interest.

00:42:58.400 I'm sorry, but Google, don't be evil.

00:43:03.060 Can you define, Google, what evil is?

00:43:06.520 Is that even your slogan anymore?

00:43:09.720 Because they have their own agendas.

00:43:11.680 As we saw with Google last year when they fired James Damore for having an opinion different than that of the corporation.

00:43:22.140 Those agendas, those agendas are the things that you don't necessarily want peddled in Washington, D.C.

00:43:29.800 It's Thursday, January 25th.

00:43:44.900 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:43:46.740 So, I personally think that the world is changing so fast that you're not going to recognize it in 10 to 15 years.

00:44:00.820 Your kids, if you have a 5 or 6-year-old, they probably will never have a driver's license.

00:44:07.500 Maybe that's a little early.

00:44:09.240 But, you know, if they come of age at 20, 30 or so, they're probably not going to have a driver's license.

00:44:15.940 They won't probably believe that you were ever allowed to drive a car at some point.

00:44:21.080 Things are changing with just the car industry, with Uber.

00:44:27.720 What's going to happen to the taxi jobs with Uber?

00:44:30.040 What's going to happen with the Uber jobs with self-driving cars, with self-driving trucks?

00:44:34.180 That's 5% of the workforce.

00:44:37.320 What do we do on education?

00:44:39.920 I have been reading a lot lately on high tech.

00:44:45.260 And the book I'm currently working on is Life 3.0, Being Human in the Age of Artificial Intelligence.

00:44:51.180 And it is really good because of the questions that are in it.

00:44:54.580 But it talks a little bit about educating your kids.

00:44:57.000 And there are three things for the future that if you want your child to be successful, there are three things that you really need to focus on.

00:45:08.560 One, does their future job, the thing they want to do, does it require interacting with people and using social intelligence?

00:45:16.400 Because robots are not going to be able to do that.

00:45:20.320 Computers can't do that.

00:45:21.500 They can be an accountant.

00:45:23.580 They can be a driver.

00:45:25.320 But they're not going to have social intelligence yet.

00:45:29.460 And they're also not going to be great with interacting with people.

00:45:34.180 So you don't want to be the person that takes the x-ray or is the x-ray tech that is getting it ready for the doctor.

00:45:42.520 You want to be the doctor.

00:45:44.380 Does it involve creativity and coming up with clever solutions?

00:45:48.100 And does it require working with an unpredictable environment?

00:45:53.320 Those three things are what your kids, you should be preaching to your kids and talking to your kids about on their future career or your future career.

00:46:01.480 Those three things.

00:46:02.980 I contend that the current education system is, it does require, it is teaching people how to socially interact and use social intelligence.

00:46:13.940 But it is putting you in a box on that because it's killing the other two things.

00:46:21.660 Does it require creativity and coming up with clever solutions?

00:46:25.000 No.

00:46:26.160 There's no clever solutions.

00:46:27.920 They'll tell you exactly what the answer is and you dare not disagree.

00:46:32.700 And the third one is, does it require working in an unpredictable environment?

00:46:35.740 No.

00:46:36.260 Every college is a safe zone.

00:46:37.820 We are killing the opportunity for our kids by using this kind of educational system.

00:46:45.980 Now, there is an actual professor that is part of this institution who has just written a new book, The Case Against Education.

00:46:58.100 A case against education from a professor.

00:47:00.400 I love that.

00:47:01.240 Brian Kaplan, he's the author of the book.

00:47:03.180 He's an economics professor at George Mason University.

00:47:05.540 And he joins us now.

00:47:08.340 Brian, how are you?

00:47:09.560 I'm very good.

00:47:11.500 How do you respond to those three questions and the idea that the educational system is teaching our kids to live in a box that no longer exists or will no longer exist?

00:47:25.760 Well, I mean, I can say the truth is that the economy is changing much more slowly than people realize.

00:47:30.380 The high-tech sectors that you're talking about are only a small part of the economy.

00:47:34.080 The world is changing a lot more between 1945 and the 70s than it has in the last 30 years.

00:47:40.240 So I'm specifically talking about the thinking creatively and thinking out of the box to be able to adapt to whatever comes.

00:47:49.300 Yeah.

00:47:49.680 So, I mean, let me put it this way.

00:47:52.600 That is, you know, if we could do something much less than that, it would be a big improvement over what we have.

00:47:56.780 I mean, right now, just to get kids able to read and write and do basic math would be an improvement for a lot of them.

00:48:02.360 I mean, creativity, most jobs are not creative.

00:48:04.880 So, I mean, like, it would be great to get people to be creative.

00:48:07.700 But if you could just get basic skills up to a reasonable level, that would be a lot better than what we have.

00:48:12.220 So, if you had a, you know, a 10-year-old that you're raising now, are they going to – you have an 8-year-old?

00:48:22.960 Yeah.

00:48:23.340 Okay.

00:48:23.780 Are you preparing them for college as it is now?

00:48:28.700 Basically.

00:48:29.100 So, you know, a lot of what I say in my book is that even though the world is changing dramatically, colleges have been locked in the same system for about 1,000 years.

00:48:37.920 And here's the amazing thing.

00:48:39.920 Modern employers keep heavily rewarding people with fancy college degrees, even though it doesn't seem like they're adapting to the modern world very well.

00:48:48.480 And my main story is that the point of college isn't really to train people for the future anyway.

00:48:52.540 It's more to jump through a bunch of hoops and show off and say, hey, look at me.

00:48:57.020 I can do what most people can't do.

00:48:58.560 This is a big point in the book, Brian, the difference between signaling and human capital.

00:49:03.860 Can you explain what those things are and what the difference is?

00:49:07.860 Yeah, sure.

00:49:08.460 So, human capital story is basically the one that parents and teachers and propaganda say about education, which is you go into school and they pour skills in you.

00:49:16.520 You learn reading, writing, math, all this great stuff.

00:49:19.360 And at the end, you are a transformed child, and you know how to do all these things, and then you're suddenly employable.

00:49:26.660 And obviously, there's something to that.

00:49:28.480 But if you really think about all the classes you've taken throughout your life, how many can you safely forget after the final exam?

00:49:34.200 I mean, I don't know about you, but I think, you know, 75, 80, 90% of classes, once you're done with the final exam, you never need to know this stuff again.

00:49:41.220 But then why do employers care?

00:49:43.840 And that's where signaling comes in.

00:49:45.360 It says, you know, whenever you do anything impressive, when you go and get an A in your Aristotle class or complete four years of Latin or anything, any accomplishment that's irrelevant to virtually any job you'll ever do, still, when you put that on your transcript, employers look and say, wow, look at what this kid did.

00:50:01.260 I think he's worthy of being trained to be a secretary.

00:50:04.840 So, essentially, the education system, when it's signaling, is designed to do is not to actually teach people things, but to be able to signal to employers that, in theory, you're smart enough to do something else.

00:50:21.180 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:22.640 You're still getting sorted.

00:50:23.480 I mean, think about this.

00:50:24.160 There's two ways you can raise the value of a diamond.

00:50:26.000 One is to be an expert gem smith who cuts it perfectly to make it great.

00:50:29.820 The other one is to be the guy with that monocle on his side.

00:50:32.240 He looks at it and goes, oh, look at this.

00:50:33.580 Look at this thing.

00:50:34.100 It's a wonderful diamond.

00:50:35.260 Yes, I'll put a grade A sticker on it.

00:50:37.780 And signaling a lot of what the education system does is the second thing.

00:50:40.620 They're not really cutting you and making you great.

00:50:43.700 What they're doing is looking at you and putting a sticker on you and saying, see, this is worthy of being hired for certain kinds of jobs.

00:50:50.600 If you don't get the sticker, it's like, no, not good enough.

00:50:54.200 So there's another theory out there that has been popular called Common Core, which this is, in my opinion, what Bill Gates was trying to solve.

00:51:07.200 He was trying to put that sticker on you really early by, you know, really watching you closely and then sorting you out for the right job.

00:51:16.620 I don't think that education is, for me, education, good education, is not teaching me what to think.

00:51:26.020 It's teaching me how to think.

00:51:28.620 It's teaching me how to find answers.

00:51:31.680 And that's not what we're doing now.

00:51:35.320 We're teaching answers.

00:51:36.880 You learn them.

00:51:37.920 You test them.

00:51:39.120 You forget.

00:51:40.000 And then you go and be a little worker bee.

00:51:42.560 That's not the future.

00:51:43.760 So, I mean, Glenn, I see you're being an optimist there.

00:51:47.220 I mean, even the idea that kids are learning a lot of stuff, I think, is really optimistic.

00:51:52.460 I mean, if you especially just go and look at tests of what adults know about any of the stuff they learn in school, they've forgotten almost all of it.

00:51:59.780 So, I mean, if we could have an education system that actually durably taught them even a bunch of facts, it would be better than what we have.

00:52:05.620 It would be great if we could teach them how to think.

00:52:07.300 So that's really a moonshot.

00:52:08.740 So let's go there.

00:52:12.940 We're going to take a quick break, and then we're going to come back.

00:52:15.200 And you tell me how bad the education system is, and then what do we do about it?

00:52:21.000 And I'm looking for much more simple answers.

00:52:23.980 What do I do about it as a parent?

00:52:26.320 We may have witnessed the first time anyone has ever come on the program and accused Glenn of being an optimist.

00:52:35.240 So we'll get back to that in a minute.

00:52:36.980 It's with Brian Kaplan.

00:52:37.880 The book is The Case Against Education, Why the Education System is a Waste of Time and Money.

00:52:44.020 Volatility in the stock market, wild swings in Bitcoin, the constant turmoil in Washington.

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00:53:01.300 It is what causes inflation, and that is the amount of money plus velocity.

00:53:07.200 And I explained the tax cuts, and not even the tax cuts, the repatriation of billions of dollars from these giant corporations and what that's going to mean.

00:53:18.260 Now, if you understood last night's chalkboard, the first ten minutes of the show, you will understand why I say today gold is going to go up.

00:53:26.540 Gold is up almost $100 since mid-December with lots of run room.

00:53:32.060 You're going to see the stock market go through the roof.

00:53:34.380 It's called a melt-up, and that usually is the precursor to something really, really bad.

00:53:39.860 But we're already beginning to see a melt-up, and it's not just me saying it.

00:53:43.860 It's other people now saying this as well.

00:53:46.180 And you're going to see inflation go up, which will drive interest rates up.

00:53:51.920 The gold is the place that the world always returns when it has gone insane.

00:53:59.980 But it is also the hedge against inflation, and that is why gold is going up right now.

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00:54:37.800 Glenn Beck Mercury.

00:54:45.260 Glenn Beck.

00:54:46.140 We have Brian Kaplan on.

00:54:51.240 He is the author of the book, The Case Against Education, Why the Education System is a Waste of Time and Money.

00:54:57.640 It is, it's interesting to me, or ironic, that he is a university professor, and the book is published by Princeton Press.

00:55:06.220 And he is saying there's real problems here, and we need to have the discussion.

00:55:10.980 So let's talk a little bit about, quickly, the problems of education and how bad they are.

00:55:17.140 All right.

00:55:18.080 Well, I mean, if you just go and measure the literacy and numeracy of American adults, say about a third to a half, their skills are just so bad, you'd almost call them illiterate and numerate.

00:55:29.840 On the other hand, if you go over to college graduates, I'd say that basically their literacy and numeracy is kind of what you would prefer for a high school graduate.

00:55:39.320 That's a problem.

00:55:40.260 That seems like that would be a problem.

00:55:41.560 So, yeah.

00:55:43.240 I mean, like, the amazing is I look out my window here in Philadelphia and see this amazing society, and they're like, how is it that we're able to get it done when people's skills are so poor?

00:55:52.600 And through this, like, most of the time people learn on the job by practice, and most of what you fail to learn in school never comes up again anyway.

00:56:00.160 So thank God for that.

00:56:01.160 So MIT, for instance, you can audit every single class at MIT online for free.

00:56:08.720 Oh, yeah.

00:56:09.240 If you did that, you make the case that really wouldn't be very useful in the current system because there's no little stamp of approval that says MIT loves you, right?

00:56:24.100 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:56:25.460 I mean, you know, you didn't even have to wait for this, you know, like, I've never heard of a professor who kicks out visitors.

00:56:31.040 Professors love it when someone comes to their class and they say, oh, my God, someone actually wants to learn what I have to teach.

00:56:35.980 This has never happened before.

00:56:37.220 They get a tear in their eyes.

00:56:38.240 But almost no one takes you up on this offer because people don't really want the learning so much as that sticker.

00:56:44.900 That is amazing because you talk about this with graduation years versus intermediate years.

00:56:50.660 Your first and second year in college is not as valuable as your graduate year.

00:56:55.320 But it's not like they're waiting until your last year of college to start teaching you things of value.

00:57:00.680 It really does explain that the stamp of approval is really what we're looking for when we get into the system.

00:57:08.240 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:09.700 So, I mean, this is true for high school.

00:57:11.960 It's true for college, true for graduate school.

00:57:14.940 It's crossing the finish line that has most of the reward.

00:57:17.620 If you do 3.9 years of college and then give up, the labor market barely gives you anything.

00:57:23.320 Your application still goes in the trash with the other applications from people who didn't finish college.

00:57:28.140 But you just get right over that finish line and then a lot of doors open up for you.

00:57:33.680 Which, again, would be very puzzling if the main thing that you were learning in school were your job skills.

00:57:38.800 But if you're trying to show, hey, look at me.

00:57:40.560 If you say, want four years, I do what you say.

00:57:43.320 When you say jump, I say how high.

00:57:45.360 Not how can I weasel out of this.

00:57:47.320 If you're that kind of person, then employers take you seriously.

00:57:51.340 And it's striking if you go to countries where college lasts three years.

00:57:54.400 Then, of course, it's the third year that really counts a lot.

00:57:56.940 It's all just about what is the social expectation.

00:58:00.180 And if the people who fulfill it, they look good.

00:58:02.260 The world likes them and employers like them.

00:58:03.920 And if you fall short, then, oh, no, you're not good enough.

00:58:06.760 You, in fact, in the book say we need a lot less education.

00:58:10.900 What do you mean by that?

00:58:12.660 Right.

00:58:13.700 So, you know, if you just go back to, say, 1945, back then, maybe 25% of American adults had finished high school.

00:58:21.160 And yet, back in those days, with a high school degree, you could become a manager.

00:58:24.840 You get all kinds of high status jobs.

00:58:26.800 Now, of course, you can't.

00:58:28.380 There's been quite a bit of research just looking at what's happened to the labor market over these last 70 years or so.

00:58:34.600 Is the main thing that's happened that jobs have become more cognitively demanding,

00:58:37.780 and now you need to have these college degrees to do the kind of work we do today?

00:58:41.300 Or is the main thing that's happened that for one and the same job, you need extra degrees in order to even get your foot in the door?

00:58:47.760 And both stories are somewhat true, but the second story is the main story.

00:58:52.680 You know, now we have lots of waiters with college degrees, bartenders with college degrees, cashiers with college degrees,

00:58:58.940 parking lot attendants with college degrees.

00:59:01.560 And, again, like, you know, this is pretty bizarre.

00:59:05.060 Think about it.

00:59:05.580 Like, do you really need these degrees to do the job?

00:59:07.620 No, but if you want to go and get a job at a good restaurant now, for example, a college degree really helps.

00:59:12.420 That's unbelievable.

00:59:13.140 Okay.

00:59:13.600 We're going to come back and now start to apply this to our lives and to our children and what do we do about it.

00:59:20.960 Economics professor, George Mason University, author of the book The Case Against Education, Brian Kaplan, when we come back.

00:59:30.600 Glenn Beck.

00:59:32.540 Mercury.

00:59:33.020 Mercury.

00:59:33.120 Mercury.

00:59:33.220 Mercury.

00:59:37.620 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:59:40.860 Hello, America.

00:59:42.220 Welcome to the program.

00:59:43.180 So glad that you are here.

00:59:45.140 We're spending a few minutes with Brian Kaplan.

00:59:48.420 He is an economics professor.

00:59:49.780 George Mason University is the author of The Case Against Education.

00:59:54.100 And he's also going to be speaking today at the Public Library of Philadelphia.

00:59:59.240 It's free if you'd like to get a free education today at 730.

01:00:05.200 So, Brian, let me just speak for, I think, the average person in America, whether it is a parent, a person going to college or thinking about going to college.

01:00:17.780 We know the, we don't know it like you do.

01:00:22.920 I mean, the stats that you lay out are pretty frightening of what, how bad education is right now.

01:00:32.540 However, I think most people kind of know, especially conservatives, I think they send their kids thinking they're going to have all this debt.

01:00:45.240 I don't even know.

01:00:45.880 They're building water parks at universities now.

01:00:48.660 They're not really getting a real education.

01:00:52.960 In fact, I'm sending them almost against my will because I'm afraid of what those professors and what these universities are going to teach my kids on social justice and all this nonsense.

01:01:06.480 But every parent, most of them, will say the same thing.

01:01:10.500 But they've got to have a degree.

01:01:13.420 So what do we do right now?

01:01:15.500 There's two questions.

01:01:16.400 One, what do we do as a society?

01:01:18.700 But let's start with what do we do right now as a parent or somebody that has to go to college?

01:01:25.660 Right.

01:01:26.160 Well, the first thing to ask yourself is how good was your kid in high school?

01:01:29.180 The idea that every kid should go to college is would make sense if you could know for sure your kid would finish.

01:01:35.240 But completion rates are shockingly low.

01:01:37.580 So only about 40 percent of full time students will finish a bachelor's degree in four years.

01:01:42.640 After five years, it's up to 55 percent of finished.

01:01:45.080 But there's a really big chunk that just don't finish.

01:01:48.760 And if you don't finish and you don't get that diploma, then the payoff is really crummy.

01:01:54.640 So, I mean, I would say the very first thing is, like, was my kid good enough in high school for it to be realistic?

01:01:59.040 I think he's going to finish.

01:01:59.880 And, you know, like, you know, right now, I'd say four million, maybe third to a half of students going to college.

01:02:06.260 You know, the right answer is no.

01:02:07.940 But you might say, well, thank goodness we don't have to pay for this stuff now.

01:02:11.380 And then we need to look for something else for my kid to do and at least until he gets serious enough to start studying.

01:02:16.560 I'm friends with Mike Rowe.

01:02:18.680 And this is something that he has been fighting.

01:02:22.440 And that is this instinct, this knee-jerk answer.

01:02:26.100 Well, it doesn't matter.

01:02:27.280 They have to have an education.

01:02:28.580 They have to go to college or they'll just, what do you want them to be, a janitor the rest of their life?

01:02:33.820 Oh, yeah.

01:02:35.540 And, you know, of course, there are tons of other jobs, many of them high-paying that still, to this day, don't require college.

01:02:41.300 Plumber, electrician.

01:02:43.120 You know, like, if you just go, you know, like, if you go through government statistics, what are, like, the high-paying jobs that don't require college?

01:02:50.620 You know, there are still a lot of them.

01:02:52.620 They're ones where, especially upper-middle-class families, they don't really know anyone who does these jobs anymore.

01:02:57.560 So it's kind of hard for them to really visualize it.

01:02:59.920 But they are out there.

01:03:00.900 Right, if your kid is super bored sitting, listening to some windbag go and talk about abstract stuff, then, you know, like, you really should look into getting your kid vocational education. 0.56

01:03:11.100 And instead of pressuring him to do something that he probably just has no interest in, find something that actually engages them in a course that doesn't require you to have four years of college debt, which is pretty crazy, if the kid's going to drop out anyway.

01:03:24.060 You break this into kind of the selfish return and the social return, which is an interesting way of looking at it because you go through, really, the numbers of the selfish return on education, which a lot of times can turn out better, even financially, for a lot of kids to not go to college because they don't have all that debt.

01:03:43.320 But can you talk a little bit about the social return?

01:03:46.280 What's the actual path forward for us when you're talking about policy and you're talking about how to design an education system that actually works for the country?

01:03:55.020 Sure. So if you remember, I was talking about human capital versus signaling. So there's the optimistic view that college is actually transforming you into a skilled adult.

01:04:05.260 And then there's the not so optimistic view that I'm pushing that most of it is just about putting a stamp on your forehead and saying good enough to be trained.

01:04:13.660 All right. Now, from the point, selfishly speaking, it doesn't really matter why employers will reward you for getting your degree.

01:04:19.000 Who really cares why they're doing it?

01:04:20.920 But from the point of view of society, from the point of view of taxpayers, it makes a huge difference because if you really school is really actually remolding our youth into the skilled workers, the future, then it's making our whole society richer.

01:04:33.880 But if the main thing you're doing is putting stickers on people's foreheads, you can't get rich by putting lots of stickers on people's heads.

01:04:39.660 So if it really is just saying you're in the top 25 percent of the distribution, then when you go and encourage more education, the main thing you do isn't get skilled workers.

01:04:50.520 It means you have to spend more and more years in school just to get onto first base, just to go and start learning the job.

01:04:57.220 I will tell you, there's there's a lot of people that that I have met and I'm in media, so it's slightly different.

01:05:04.740 But nobody takes the college person seriously like, oh, you've got some latest information, you have some new.

01:05:10.540 They're like, OK, that's great.

01:05:13.140 Watch because they usually don't walk into a job.

01:05:17.180 They've got that great degree, but they don't have any practical experience.

01:05:23.440 They don't really even have practical understanding many times of what we're doing.

01:05:27.340 It really is, OK, you're smart, so we'll train you from the beginning on how to do things.

01:05:34.300 Yeah, this really is one of the greatest frauds on campus.

01:05:36.640 The communications major is enormous.

01:05:39.360 And yet every year they graduate more communications majors than the total number of jobs in every kind of media that exists.

01:05:47.360 So it's a major that purports preparing them to your job, Glenn.

01:05:51.220 And yet, of course, you can't have a million kids be Glenn Beck.

01:05:54.760 And I don't know anybody.

01:05:55.940 I don't know anybody.

01:05:57.220 Nor do we want them, by the way.

01:05:58.440 I don't want a million Glenn Beck's really bad thing.

01:06:01.300 One is enough.

01:06:03.200 But nor do I know the people that really excel in media, really excel.

01:06:11.520 Or, you know, we're the top of their class and the one that we just had to have from Harvard.

01:06:19.580 That's generally not them.

01:06:21.220 Right.

01:06:22.940 I mean, the nice thing about entertainment is that there is a very clear market test, which is, do people actually watch you?

01:06:29.760 Whereas for a lot of jobs, you're being on a team.

01:06:31.760 It's like, well, is this person really pulling their weight or not?

01:06:34.400 So there's some confusion there.

01:06:36.620 And then, you know, like, you know, so you're not going to keep someone employed just because you hired them and they're on the team if they're on the radio.

01:06:46.300 Whereas for a lot of jobs, once you get hired, people will keep you there at least until the next recession comes along.

01:06:51.860 And they just, well, we've got to get rid of somebody.

01:06:53.440 So how about the person that's a huge disappointment?

01:06:55.220 We're talking to Brian Kaplan, author of The Case Against Education, Why the Education System is a Waste of Time and Money.

01:07:01.140 Brian, does some of this, the way we've moved towards signaling when it comes to universities, does that explain grade inflation at some level?

01:07:11.160 Where we've seen, you know, back in the day, it used to be 10 or 15 percent of kids got A's in classes.

01:07:16.400 And now it's sometimes 60 and 70 percent.

01:07:20.120 Yeah, that's a great question.

01:07:20.940 And so it's actually pretty weird when you think about it, because if the main thing the college is doing is signaling, you might think that there would be a lot of pressure on us to really separate the great students from the good ones from the not-so-good ones.

01:07:32.980 Hello?

01:07:34.940 Oh, my gosh.

01:07:35.880 I lost him there.

01:07:36.620 Big E, big EDU?

01:07:38.160 There he is.

01:07:39.000 Easier for professors to give out easy grades.

01:07:41.680 Right.

01:07:42.040 We lost you in the middle there.

01:07:43.020 Can you give us that one more time?

01:07:44.500 You cut out for about 10 seconds, yeah.

01:07:46.140 Yeah, right.

01:07:47.540 Right.

01:07:47.840 So I think there's a lot more to do with universities or nonprofits, and the professors are regarded as basically artists.

01:07:54.300 You can't tell us what to do.

01:07:56.680 And so, I mean, if we really wanted to maintain the purity of the signal, we would have kept the high standards.

01:08:02.080 But it's just so much easier for a professor to go and just give high grades to everyone, and then the students don't complain.

01:08:07.780 And since it is a nonprofit, there's no one at the top saying, we must maintain our brand at all costs.

01:08:12.240 You professors get in line.

01:08:13.420 And so I think that's more of what's gone.

01:08:16.360 Well, because it seems like there's a series of incentives, because if I'm now sending my kid to college because I want them to get that piece of paper, if at the end of this, where I've spent all of this money, I don't get that piece of paper, I'm not going to want to continue that process with the next kid.

01:08:34.100 And it feels like there's an incentive for colleges to be able to push these people through and give them the piece of paper whether they want it or not, because that's all I'm really asking them for in the first place.

01:08:41.780 Yeah, I mean, that sounds right until you take a look at the low graduation rates.

01:08:47.420 If colleges really wanted to just pass people along, they would just cut standards even more than they already have, which is a little scary to think about.

01:08:55.300 But, I mean, there is a point where you say, how low can we cut the standards before the students, before everyone will get over them?

01:09:00.900 You know, I mean, a lot of it is honestly just to get the students even to bother to show up in class.

01:09:05.440 So, I mean, like, you know, a typical college class has maybe 60% attendance on an average day.

01:09:10.840 And, you know, those 40%, you know, a lot of those kids are the ones that are not going to get it through, although, you know, like a reasonably good student can still squeak by even attending all that often.

01:09:20.600 Standards, you know, again, standards are strangely low, and yet there's many standard students that fall below even those low standards.

01:09:26.840 If I could reflect what I think people feel for a second here, Brian, we are concerned about the standards, obviously.

01:09:40.320 We're concerned about the price because how do we or our kids afford this?

01:09:46.860 But we are also growing concerned, and I hear this from the left as well.

01:09:51.220 They are very concerned about the things like, you know, the freedom of speech and thought on campus.

01:09:58.800 And it is becoming, it feels as though it is becoming dangerous to the republic to get this indoctrination sometimes.

01:10:09.500 And when you're talking about all these problems, you're saying, you know, we need to fix this from the inside of these powerful institutions.

01:10:20.920 You're a freak, aren't you?

01:10:22.700 Or do others, is there a movement inside to say we have real problems and we've got to change this?

01:10:29.660 Well, so, I mean, here's the thing is, you know, professors vary very, very widely amongst themselves.

01:10:36.560 Different departments are very different.

01:10:39.180 So, I mean, here's the main thing I'd say just to help people calm down a bit.

01:10:43.860 Most professors are so boring that the brainwashing doesn't work.

01:10:46.800 And most, and attendance is so low that a lot of the students are not hearing the stuff that you don't want them to hear.

01:10:55.780 I mean, it's important to keep in mind that, you know, like when students, like students, even when they're getting a grade for the class and everything else,

01:11:01.920 a lot of them just stay in the room and play video games.

01:11:05.440 And, like, even when they're in the classroom, their minds are wandering.

01:11:08.160 They're not paying that much attention.

01:11:09.080 So, I mean, I agree that if you just look at the syllabi or if you just listen to a recording of many professors' lectures,

01:11:16.820 then you say, man, this is horrible.

01:11:17.940 Kids are being taught this stuff.

01:11:19.860 But the reason to feel at least somewhat less bad about it is, you know,

01:11:24.800 if you were to go and turn the camera around and look at the face of the students and see how they're sleeping

01:11:28.660 and not paying much attention and be bored out of their minds.

01:11:31.940 And, you know, there is actual, you know, like empirical research where they try to see how much does college change students' minds.

01:11:38.120 And it, you know, like it doesn't seem to change them that much.

01:11:40.940 I mean, again, the kids that you see on the news, those are the ones that, you know,

01:11:44.640 it's the small minority of kids that really love this stuff and want to be activists.

01:11:48.500 But, you know, most kids don't want to be activists.

01:11:50.020 They want to play video games.

01:11:51.540 I have a friend who is in college, and they sent this screenshot of one of their tests that happened in science just last week.

01:12:02.640 Which of the following answers do you think characterize the political views of the person to your right?

01:12:08.120 He or she is the founder of the alt-left, leaning liberal, middle-the-road, leaning conservative, founder of the alt-right.

01:12:12.900 Your answer.

01:12:13.920 The next one was, which of the following answers characterize your political views?

01:12:17.500 I am a founder of the alt-left, leaning liberal, middle-the-road, leaning conservative, founder of the alt-right.

01:12:22.540 Can you, for the life of you, figure out what that has to do with science?

01:12:25.520 I mean, if I were in that class, I'd be curious if the professor is trying to get on your show.

01:12:35.240 Maybe they're saying, hey, I want to go and show how brainwashed these kids are.

01:12:39.960 I mean, in a way, if you're brainwashing people, the last thing you want to do is call attention to the brainwashing.

01:12:44.740 You just want to act like it's, you know, I'm not brainwashing.

01:12:48.300 It's just oxygen that we're breathing here.

01:12:50.000 It's nothing that anyone should pay any attention to.

01:12:53.220 So, I don't know.

01:12:53.860 Again, maybe it was an effort to politicize science, although maybe it was just the professor was curious about what kinds of kids he's teaching.

01:13:02.280 I don't know.

01:13:02.840 Brian Kaplan, he is the author of The Case Against Education, Why the Education System is a Waste of Time and Money.

01:13:11.240 And he is going to be speaking again tonight, the Public Library of Philadelphia, tonight at 7.30.

01:13:17.500 Thank you so much, Brian.

01:13:18.220 Good to talk to you.

01:13:19.000 All right.

01:13:20.120 Fantastic.

01:13:20.600 Talk to you.

01:13:26.840 Once again, he's going to be speaking at the Free Public Library in the city of the Super Bowl champion, Philadelphia Eagles.

01:13:34.280 At least according to Amazon Echo.

01:13:38.580 Alexa, that's right.

01:13:39.240 Yeah.

01:13:40.580 BCaplan.com or at Brian underscore Kaplan.

01:13:43.260 I mean, really, if you want to dive in and really see what is happening to our education system, there is a lot of material.

01:13:49.340 We only scratched the surface on that.

01:13:50.720 Really?

01:13:51.420 Yeah.

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01:15:57.840 Every once in a while, one of those products crosses the line from product name to just the thing that we call the product.

01:16:13.320 It's like, you know, Kleenex, you know, instead of tissues, it just became Kleenex.

01:16:17.040 Everyone called it Kleenex.

01:16:18.260 TiVo was like that.

01:16:19.320 The DVR was just a TiVo for a long time.

01:16:22.640 Now it's DVR.

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01:16:28.820 That's not necessarily what they're called.

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01:17:37.480 Glenn, back.

01:17:38.820 You know, I'd really like to have chime in on this whole discussion is Ben Shapiro.

01:17:42.800 He's coming in in a little while.

01:17:44.420 He's doing his show from the Mercury Studios today and he'll be on TV tonight for a few minutes.

01:17:50.680 And I'm going to give a special 30 minutes with just Ben and I talking about, you know, youth, the future of the conservative movement just for subscribers only at right after 530.

01:18:04.020 Blaze.com slash TV.

01:18:05.420 Love.

01:18:23.000 Courage.

01:18:24.740 Truth.

01:18:26.460 Glenn.

01:18:27.380 Back.

01:18:27.860 Last hour, we were talking to a professor from George Mason and he was talking about, you know, how bad the education is.

01:18:35.260 And I was talking a little bit about the brainwashing that is going on and the activization of at least 10 percent of our college students that just want to be liberal activists.

01:18:45.580 And who is doing that on the other side?

01:18:48.000 Who is who is is activating today's youth to be able to get them to defend the Constitution and conservative principles?

01:18:56.120 The answer is sitting in my studio right now.

01:18:58.620 Ben Shapiro.

01:18:59.500 How are you doing?

01:18:59.940 Doing well.

01:19:00.420 How are you?

01:19:01.000 Good.

01:19:01.260 I know you had a great time in Connecticut yesterday.

01:19:04.980 A hundred security officers to protect your speech and zero protesters.

01:19:10.380 Yeah, that's always how it goes.

01:19:11.520 And you always think, why do we need these security officers?

01:19:13.780 And then half the time there's riots.

01:19:14.960 So, yeah, but it was it was nice.

01:19:17.500 I mean, it was 500 students who showed up.

01:19:19.420 They closed it to the general public, which is too bad.

01:19:21.380 They should have allowed another five, six hundred people in because they had another 700 reservations, what I heard.

01:19:25.820 But in any case, it was it was a really nice event.

01:19:28.500 Everybody enjoyed.

01:19:29.260 Do you meet anybody on the left that is because I have people who are hard on the left who say I'm really concerned about what's happening on college campus?

01:19:37.100 I think that's a growing concern for a lot of people on the left.

01:19:39.360 And I think anybody who's an honest person on the left has to look at the way that they're cracking down on free speech and think to themselves, this is a problem.

01:19:45.380 And it could reverse itself and bite us.

01:19:47.620 Yeah, this is not this is not a single edged blade.

01:19:50.160 Right.

01:19:50.700 So, yeah, I mean, it's a serious problem that they're allowing the hecklers veto to prevail here, that somebody from the community will threaten something.

01:19:57.880 And suddenly 100 officers are necessary.

01:19:59.480 And we ban everyone from the general public.

01:20:01.220 They've now done this at Northwestern.

01:20:02.400 They did this at UC Berkeley.

01:20:03.420 They just ban people from coming in entirely from the outside community, whereas like last week, Anita Hill spoke at UConn and it was completely open to the public. 0.56

01:20:11.740 They barely needed security.

01:20:12.740 It was totally fine.

01:20:13.940 All right.

01:20:14.540 So you're going to join us today for a few minutes on the television show.

01:20:19.680 We're going to do some stuff that for subscribers only to the blaze.

01:20:22.280 And we're going to talk about the the future of the conservative movement and and what our principles are and how we how we navigate from here.

01:20:29.720 But I want to talk to you about kind of the news of the day and get your point of view on.

01:20:37.040 Do we have the audio of the Secret Society or do you have the latest memo or piece?

01:20:42.840 Because two days ago, was it two days ago or yesterday, Ron Johnson comes out and he said, you know, there's and we have we have a source that says there was a secret society meetings that were going on.

01:20:54.940 And we know we have this text message and something didn't feel right.

01:20:58.800 I want everything released because if that is happening.

01:21:02.500 But I also said, I think it was yesterday, that kind of sounds a little like McCarthy saying, I've got the names of 250 people right in my pocket.

01:21:10.140 But if you don't have it, you're going to destroy everything.

01:21:16.220 And here's what we found out yesterday about what that that memo or that text message actually said.

01:21:22.460 Here's a clip. Go ahead.

01:21:23.600 But we're going to have to decide.

01:21:25.540 Oh, no. Sorry. Sorry, Sarah.

01:21:26.460 Not that good. What?

01:21:27.260 I'm sorry. Go ahead.

01:21:28.080 OK, in the single message again, the single text message sent the day after Trump was elected was from senior FBI lawyer Lisa Page to Peter Strzok, the top counterintelligence officer at the FBI.

01:21:39.640 And a key figure in the Bureau's past investigations into Trump and Clinton.

01:21:43.100 Here's the quote. Are you even going to give out your calendars?

01:21:46.220 Page asked Strzok. Seemed kind of depressing.

01:21:49.100 Maybe it should just be the first meeting of the secret society.

01:21:53.340 Then that's not a secret society.

01:21:55.000 No, no.

01:21:56.340 The way all Republicans were talking it up yesterday was was like this was going to be the view from Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom where he looks down and there's just a bunch of people chanting.

01:22:04.500 And what it actually ends up being is just a bunch of nerds who sit around and have beer and talk about work.

01:22:12.840 But I really this is my big problem is no one is waiting for all the evidence to come out before jumping to their narrative conclusion.

01:22:19.260 So you have people on the left and their narrative conclusion is Donald Trump definitely colluded with Russia.

01:22:22.900 And the FBI is in the midst of one of the great investigations of our time that is going to uncover the real source of Donald Trump's victory.

01:22:29.400 And any questions that are asked about that are completely out of line.

01:22:32.100 And then on the right, you have this counter narrative that the FBI is thoroughly corrupt.

01:22:35.740 It has been completely run through with people on the left who don't care about the truth and are simply out to get President Trump.

01:22:42.120 And my tendency is to think that there's a lot of in between there and it's probably somewhere in the in between, meaning that there are probably people like Strzok and Page who don't like Trump.

01:22:50.280 We don't really know the impact that they've had on this particular investigation.

01:22:53.040 One of the texts that everyone seems to be ignoring on the right is the text from Strzok to Page saying, I don't want to join the Mueller investigation.

01:22:58.040 It's going nowhere.

01:22:59.160 No, there's no there there, right?

01:23:01.080 Yeah, but the right is now starting to use that and say, look, even this guy said there's no there there.

01:23:07.920 Well, you can't have it both ways.

01:23:10.020 Right, right.

01:23:10.600 You can't say he's an evil guy trying to take him down.

01:23:13.440 Oh, and he didn't want to join.

01:23:15.880 None of it makes any sense.

01:23:17.320 And all of these propositions can be true.

01:23:18.940 It can be true that the FBI was politicized by the Obama administration most clearly in the Hillary Clinton investigation.

01:23:23.340 There's no question that the FBI was political in that investigation.

01:23:26.600 It's also true there are bad apples inside the FBI.

01:23:28.400 It can also be true that the investigation right now is doing what it's supposed to do.

01:23:31.740 It can also be true that that investigation has gone beyond its original bounds and is now moving into obstruction, which seems to me a lot more of a stretch.

01:23:38.480 All these things can be true at once, but people are not waiting for all the evidence to come out before they jump to whatever facts support the conclusion that they want.

01:23:45.320 Either the FBI is thoroughly corrupt or the FBI is thoroughly pristine.

01:23:49.640 And to find the real conclusion here, doesn't the theater hurt this idea that everyone comes out and screams about how we know we have a secret society?

01:23:56.580 We know Russia is included with Trump.

01:23:59.740 Doesn't that really hurt the search for the actual truth?

01:24:03.300 It doesn't.

01:24:03.660 One of the biggest problems that I have here is that there is information that could easily be declassified and is not being declassified.

01:24:09.780 President Trump is the president of the United States.

01:24:11.680 He is the chief executive.

01:24:12.700 That means that he actually gets to declassify, for example, the FISA application on Carter Page.

01:24:17.080 One of the big complaints from people on the right, I think quite, quite, quite possible this is true, is that the FISA application on Carter Page was based on the steel dossier, the fusion GPS dossier that was funded by the Democrats and was essentially based on Russian disinformation.

01:24:33.560 OK, if that's the case, then why not just release the application?

01:24:37.160 Right.

01:24:37.260 The FISA application.

01:24:38.620 Trump can do that.

01:24:39.300 He can do that like right now.

01:24:40.500 And I've been told by people, well, he doesn't want to look like he's politicizing the investigation.

01:24:43.580 How does he not look like he's politicizing the investigation?

01:24:47.320 I mean, the guy tweets about Jeff Sessions and Andrew McCabe and James Comey every five minutes.

01:24:52.420 So all I want, you know, just as an American, all I want is more information and less conjecture because all I'm getting is conjecture and posturing.

01:24:58.960 And now you've got the Democrats are putting out their own memos.

01:25:00.920 You know, we have a memo fight.

01:25:01.840 We have these we have these secondhand memos that are not even based on the classified intel fighting with each other.

01:25:07.100 It's all stupidity to me.

01:25:08.460 I just I don't understand.

01:25:09.480 And yeah, the the the classified memos, even the people who are who are writing memos about them, haven't seen the classified memo.

01:25:17.920 This is what the DOJ says, right?

01:25:19.000 The DOJ.

01:25:19.620 And maybe if that's not true, then wouldn't you expect Devin Nunez to say, no, I have seen the classified material.

01:25:23.980 And my my memo is based on that classified material.

01:25:26.340 But the DOJ emailed Devin Nunez, sent him a letter yesterday, and they said, listen, don't release that classified memo because, number one, it compromises national security.

01:25:33.660 But number two, you actually haven't seen the underlying classified materials you're talking about.

01:25:37.880 So why are we reading a memo not based on the classified materials that are actually at issue, especially when a lot of those classified materials could become declassified by the president?

01:25:46.440 All this says to me, here's where I actually think this is going based on the evidence that's on the table where I think this is going is I think Robert Mueller is going to try and establish a pattern of obstruction against President Trump.

01:25:55.920 He's going to suggest that President Trump was trying to fire James Comey and go after his own DOJ and go after Andrew McCabe in order to stop an investigation into him, because whether or not Trump is innocent, he thinks he's innocent.

01:26:08.420 And therefore, he was trying to, quote unquote, obstruct the investigation.

01:26:11.920 This is the problem with obstruction as a charge.

01:26:13.640 There doesn't actually have to be an underlying crime in order for you to obstruct.

01:26:16.280 Right. If you're obstructing an investigation, then it doesn't it doesn't matter whether there's actually underlying anything that went bad.

01:26:22.240 The problem is, I think we're going to get the worst case scenario because I've become such a pessimist that we always get the worst case scenario.

01:26:27.460 The worst case scenario here is that there is no actual legal obstruction, right, because the actual statutes on obstruction do not cover President Trump firing James Comey or even saying to Andrew McCabe, who'd you vote for?

01:26:39.040 That doesn't obstruction is a legal charge.

01:26:40.920 As a lawyer, these charges in the U.S.

01:26:42.820 Code do not apply to what President Trump has done.

01:26:44.960 It doesn't matter.

01:26:45.500 The left seizes on Mueller's suggestion that there has been some sort of informal obstruction.

01:26:49.800 Yes.

01:26:50.040 And then they launch an impeachment push against President Trump.

01:26:52.900 And then Republicans are forced into the position of having to defend some of the stupid and I think dismal things that Trump has done from firing Comey, which I think was dumb, to, you know, demanding a loyalty oath, all these sorts of things that are not illegal but are not smart.

01:27:07.220 And so we're sitting around defending those.

01:27:08.920 And then the Democrats are browbeating us and saying they need impeachment.

01:27:11.200 It's just it's a it ends up being a battle over bad behavior as opposed to a battle over criminality.

01:27:15.800 And the left will charge that the right is fine with criminality and the right will say that the left is trying to to use the law in the wrong ways.

01:27:22.080 And, you know, and nobody will be half right and both will be half wrong.

01:27:25.360 It'll just be awful.

01:27:26.200 It'll be awful all the way around.

01:27:27.360 So that's good.

01:27:28.620 Good.

01:27:28.920 Good.

01:27:29.300 That's optimism.

01:27:30.940 The good news is, no, I honestly don't think the impeachment drive will go anywhere.

01:27:33.980 And I think that people will survive.

01:27:35.280 And I don't honestly, I don't think people care that much about this other than the diehard political fanatics on the right who think that Trump is absolutely innocent of everything and has never done anything wrong.

01:27:44.420 And people on the left who think that that Trump is absolutely guilty of everything and is going to be impeached.

01:27:49.180 They're waiting for the deus ex machina to come in and just remove Trump from office, which is not happening.

01:27:53.420 I so I think we're in the same area.

01:27:56.080 I talked about it a few weeks ago and said, I don't think anything is going to happen with the Trump investigation.

01:28:01.520 But sadly, what I think is going to happen is we are going to miss the mark on Russia. 0.92

01:28:07.820 This this whole investigation should Russia. 0.94

01:28:10.140 We haven't mentioned that in 15 minutes.

01:28:11.360 This is not about look, I think that Hillary Clinton was absolutely corrupt. 0.99

01:28:18.940 And the FBI has mountains of evidence of lots of people in in our government in Washington that were corrupt with uranium one. 0.98

01:28:27.580 Why haven't we seen any of that evidence now?

01:28:30.400 Whether she was personally corrupt sure looks like it, but I don't know when it comes to Donald Trump.

01:28:36.640 I don't like the meeting in Trump Tower, et cetera, et cetera, but I don't know if there's any crime there that has been committed.

01:28:43.440 I do know this.

01:28:45.320 The FBI has known things about Russia and they have not they have not followed through.

01:28:52.840 Why is there someone that is saying, you know, kind of like what's his name that went in and took the under it took his the documents out of the Library of Congress or the Sandy Berger.

01:29:03.800 Yeah, the National Archives, you know, both sides were kind of like, oh, no, that's you know, that's that's pretty OK.

01:29:09.000 I'm pretty OK with that because both sides are dirty with Russia.

01:29:12.840 We need to know, can we trust our Justice Department?

01:29:16.560 Yes or no.

01:29:17.520 Can we trust them to to do independent investigations?

01:29:22.500 And the second thing is how bad are things with Russia?

01:29:27.020 How bad is the influence and the bribery and the scandals with Russia and let the chips fall where they may?

01:29:36.060 I don't think it's going to happen.

01:29:37.500 I agree with a lot of this, and I also don't think that it's going to happen.

01:29:39.820 I think that everyone if you're on the side of what the FBI is doing right now, then you are going to stand up for the FBI no matter what.

01:29:45.680 If you don't like what the FBI is doing right now, then you're going to suggest that they're a nefarious institution in the pay of the opposite side.

01:29:51.020 It's how do either of these not accomplish the goals of Vladimir Putin of destroying our republic?

01:29:56.900 Well, I mean, I think that Putin was very smart.

01:29:58.540 He realized that all he had to do was drop, you know, a hint of conspiratorialism into American politics and everybody would jump on it with both feet.

01:30:05.020 And he was right.

01:30:06.080 It's work.

01:30:06.560 I mean, we're at each other's throats over essentially.

01:30:09.640 I'm not sure there's much there there.

01:30:11.460 And I think that's particularly true.

01:30:13.000 I mean, if you look in another area where Russia was supposedly nefarious, I really don't think that Russian bots were manipulating people's information hole during the last election cycle.

01:30:21.880 I think that people are jumping on that because they find it politically useful.

01:30:25.100 So it's Russia interfered in the election.

01:30:27.440 But I think that what they've done even more to more success even is they've allowed that impression that they interfered in the last election cycle to now create the basis on which everything else moves.

01:30:39.040 So, for example, the release of the memo hashtag that was trending last week.

01:30:42.160 Suddenly, Dianne Feinstein and Adam Schiff are suggesting the reason that it's trending is because of Russian bots.

01:30:46.340 And they're calling on Facebook and Twitter to actually crack down on these non-existent Russian bots that were supposedly sending this trending.

01:30:51.880 Daily Beast did a report yesterday and they said it wasn't Russian bots.

01:30:54.700 That was just a bunch of Republicans who are hashtagging release the memo.

01:30:57.920 The point that Dianne Feinstein and Schiff are doing is what they are doing is they want Facebook and Twitter to crack down on right wing media outlets claiming that it's a way of cracking down on fake news.

01:31:07.320 So they're using the Russian bot stuff and they're using the Russia stuff as a proxy for getting to a political goal they want to get to.

01:31:15.040 I swear, every day I wake up and I think I'm cynical enough about politics today.

01:31:20.320 And then by that night, I'm thinking, my God, I need to be twice as cynical as I was this morning because it just doesn't work.

01:31:25.300 Back with more Ben Shapiro here in just a second.

01:31:31.160 Markets are beginning to price for a potential interest rate hike in March.

01:31:36.400 If you missed the show last night, I did a chalkboard and it was really interesting because I know I did this chalkboard a couple of times when I was at Fox, one that was similar.

01:31:47.420 And I said, look, this is what I'm looking for.

01:31:50.100 This is where we're going to start to have trouble if these things happen.

01:31:54.260 Well, now these things have happened.

01:31:56.640 If you missed the chalkboard last night, make sure you watch it on theblaze.com slash TV.

01:32:00.800 Become a subscriber and please watch the first 10 minutes of last night's show because you will be prepared for what I believe is coming.

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01:33:18.400 Glenn Beck Mercury.

01:33:26.120 Glenn Beck.

01:33:27.580 Talking to Ben Shapiro, who I think is the leader of the future movement of conservative thought in America.

01:33:40.240 He is everywhere on college campuses and everywhere online where it counts with the youth.

01:33:48.080 We're in a weird situation right now to where we have a president who is, in many ways, giving us, as conservatives, things that we haven't seen since maybe Reagan.

01:34:07.440 We have a great Supreme Court justice.

01:34:09.920 Israel, for the love of Pete.

01:34:13.200 Reagan didn't even do that. 1.00

01:34:15.640 So we have some great things.

01:34:17.080 And then we're also in this position of having a guy who lives a despicable life if those porn star things are true, okay?

01:34:28.260 And I tend to believe they're true.

01:34:31.500 So you look at this, and for some reason, we can't say, bad Trump, good Trump.

01:34:39.260 Don't like that Trump.

01:34:40.700 Like that one.

01:34:41.720 Yes.

01:34:42.160 You have to buy into all of it.

01:34:44.000 And I think that's killing us.

01:34:45.260 I totally agree.

01:34:46.000 I mean, during the last election cycle, I actually coined the good Trump, bad Trump framework.

01:34:49.360 I actually had sticks with faces of Trump on them.

01:34:53.100 And when he'd do something good, I'd hold up the happy Trump.

01:34:55.260 We'd do something bad, I'd hold up the sad Trump.

01:34:57.380 We actually have a jingle on my podcast, good Trump, bad Trump.

01:35:01.000 Which one will it be today?

01:35:01.740 I think that's the biggest problem that I have right now with the way that American politics are going.

01:35:07.840 It really is not about Trump.

01:35:08.880 It's about us.

01:35:09.640 Because if we're not willing to call out bad when we see it, even from people that we like what we're getting from them, then we can't have an honest conversation.

01:35:16.040 It turns into simply fanboying or fangirling for a particular political figure.

01:35:20.600 You see this on the left, too.

01:35:21.580 They couldn't call out Obama when Obama was engaged in obvious corruption with the IRS, for example, while saying, oh, we like Obamacare, but we don't like what he's doing with the IRS.

01:35:30.240 But you see this on the right now with regard to Trump's character.

01:35:33.000 Look, Trump is character deficient.

01:35:34.420 I mean, there's just no question that the man is not – you would not have him babysit your children, right?

01:35:38.920 I mean, this is – you have a list of people.

01:35:41.120 He's near the bottom of the list in terms of people he'd be responsible for, like, my one-and-a-half-year-old son.

01:35:46.060 Yes.

01:35:46.880 My 13-year-old son.

01:35:49.480 It might be more dangerous with a 13-year-old, actually.

01:35:52.280 You never know what's going to pop up on the pay-per-view.

01:35:54.040 But let's not even talk about him.

01:35:56.580 People like I really respect and like Tony Perkins.

01:35:59.280 Yes, so do I.

01:35:59.900 What the hell was this?

01:36:02.460 There's no –

01:36:03.380 Interesting phrasing of that question.

01:36:04.260 I think, again, that we have to learn to live with cognitive dissonance.

01:36:10.220 You can like a lot of the things he's doing.

01:36:11.460 And as an evangelical Christian or as an Orthodox Jew as I am, I think you can stand and say, listen, this guy is standing up for religious liberty with the judges that he's appointing.

01:36:18.540 He's standing up for Israel.

01:36:19.640 He's standing up for a lot of – he spoke at the March for Life.

01:36:22.080 He's standing up for a lot of religious priorities that I really like, and all of that is wonderful and all of that is good.

01:36:26.420 Also, you shouldn't have sex with porn stars while you're married and your wife just gave birth. 0.79

01:36:30.800 If you're a religious leader, I think you can leave it at you shouldn't have sex with porn stars.

01:36:33.980 Unless it's your wife. 1.00

01:36:36.720 Then you should talk to her about not being a porn star.

01:36:39.160 But the fact that we feel compelled to make excuses for bad behavior is something that I think leads people who are in the middle, not even on the left, people in the middle to say, well, you're not being intellectually honest about your own side.

01:36:49.920 And you lose your own moral credibility in that line.

01:36:52.320 I'm not worried about Trump losing his credibility.

01:36:53.960 Trump is a big boy.

01:36:54.960 He can protect himself.

01:36:55.840 He's shown that he's fully capable of kicking back against people who criticize him.

01:36:59.060 He does it all the time.

01:37:00.180 He doesn't need people playing defense for his personal failings.

01:37:03.060 And by the way, his personal failings don't damage him politically.

01:37:05.960 I mean, I have an entire theory of what damages Trump politically.

01:37:09.320 And the answer basically is what we call the strong, efficient markets theory, right?

01:37:14.300 That when it comes to the stock market, there's a theory.

01:37:16.380 You cannot beat the stock market because everything's already priced in, right?

01:37:19.160 You have analysts who are all day sitting there and looking at companies and determining what their value is.

01:37:23.840 So unless there's a new piece of information, it's not going to change the stock price of any given stock.

01:37:28.060 So you can't beat the market.

01:37:30.020 I think that that holds true, particularly for Trump, even to the extent that new information doesn't change what you feel about Trump.

01:37:35.300 If you think Trump is despicable, you're still going to think Trump is despicable.

01:37:38.100 If you think he's wonderful, you're still going to think he's wonderful, which suggests to me that when he does something bad, we don't have to stand around and defend him like this is going to destroy his political career.

01:37:46.060 The man won an election after being caught on tape talking about bragging, bragging about grabbing women by the genitals.

01:37:51.240 I don't think he requires your defense at this point.

01:37:53.640 I think he'll be just fine.

01:37:55.640 But I'm not sure you will be just fine, right?

01:37:57.580 I think that it really is about you.

01:37:59.320 It's about what you are willing to say is good and bad and what your friends think about you and what people think about you as a person based on what you are willing to condemn and what you are willing to accept.

01:38:08.340 But you can accept the policies and despise the actions in personal life.

01:38:15.400 A hundred percent.

01:38:16.260 And it's perfectly OK, but people aren't willing to embrace that.

01:38:21.880 Tonight, five o'clock, Ben Shapiro will be joining us on the Blaze.com slash TV.

01:38:32.220 Glenn Beck.

01:38:34.160 Mercury.

01:38:38.140 This is the Glenn Beck program.

01:38:40.720 Welcome to the program, Mr. Pat Gray.

01:38:42.760 I don't know if you saw the news today, Pat, but federal spending for the fourth Monday in January set a record of $16,596,000,000, even though the federal government was shut down.

01:38:57.580 We're closed for the day and still spend a record amount of money.

01:39:00.400 How is that even possible?

01:39:02.160 It just shows you what a worthless thing the shutdown is and what a nothing burger a shutdown is.

01:39:07.220 Because they continue to do everything they do anyway.

01:39:09.780 There's no real shutdown.

01:39:11.760 That never really happens.

01:39:12.980 It just didn't happen.

01:39:14.620 Pretty amazing.

01:39:15.880 It's really incredible.

01:39:17.400 Ah, jeez.

01:39:18.020 We were just on with Ben Shapiro.

01:39:19.940 He was talking about the new secret society that we now know is not a secret society.

01:39:27.620 It was just the memo going.

01:39:28.660 It was a joke, right?

01:39:29.220 It was a joke.

01:39:30.080 Yeah.

01:39:30.260 It was a joke.

01:39:31.520 We have got to start dealing in the facts.

01:39:35.640 That would be nice.

01:39:36.600 Yeah.

01:39:36.760 Especially, don't hype things that aren't big.

01:39:39.780 You know?

01:39:40.100 I mean, there's enough.

01:39:41.740 I really want to know.

01:39:43.040 And I really think there's enough evidence with the FBI and all this stuff to look at

01:39:48.060 it seriously.

01:39:49.220 And say there's something going on there.

01:39:50.820 Yeah.

01:39:50.840 Like, what is actually going on?

01:39:52.740 Yeah.

01:39:53.060 Instead, they hype these things that they know aren't going to pay off in two days.

01:39:57.680 It's unbelievable.

01:39:58.100 And then it throws all sorts of shade on the investigation.

01:40:01.120 The problem is, is that it used to be called an independent investigator.

01:40:07.320 Maybe Mueller is an independent investigator, but each side, they are not, you know, they're

01:40:15.000 not saying, well, let's wait for the facts.

01:40:17.980 Let's wait for the facts.

01:40:19.520 They're just every single day charging and countercharging.

01:40:23.180 And it seems to have nothing to do with the actual investigation.

01:40:29.740 Yeah.

01:40:29.960 And it gets tiresome.

01:40:31.160 And then you get fatigued with the whole situation.

01:40:34.620 Don't want to hear about it anymore.

01:40:35.480 This is fake news.

01:40:36.620 Yeah.

01:40:36.940 This is fake news.

01:40:38.080 Because we don't know what the facts are.

01:40:41.860 And the fake news is not coming from Russia.

01:40:44.340 It's coming from Washington.

01:40:45.700 It's coming from New York.

01:40:47.280 It's coming from the media itself.

01:40:49.640 What is the truth on this?

01:40:52.460 Here's an idea.

01:40:53.300 Wait until we have facts.

01:40:56.240 That seems crazy.

01:40:57.380 We can't do that.

01:40:58.260 We just can't do that.

01:40:59.700 That's just, we've got to speculate and we've got to jump to conclusions.

01:41:02.920 The minute anything comes up.

01:41:06.020 Besides, honesty is not a deal anymore, apparently, according to the NSA.

01:41:09.420 You guys saw their website change?

01:41:11.900 Where they changed the core principles of the NSA?

01:41:16.140 Yeah.

01:41:16.240 That is, so their core values used to be honesty, respect for the law, integrity, and transparency.

01:41:26.260 Well, those are crazy old-fashioned.

01:41:28.180 Those are crazy.

01:41:29.320 Yeah.

01:41:29.560 Well, they had to change it this year.

01:41:31.140 And so they did to, honesty became commitment to service.

01:41:36.180 We can't really promise honesty.

01:41:38.480 Right.

01:41:39.040 Not commitment to honesty.

01:41:40.520 That's the loneliest word.

01:41:41.420 Everybody's so untrue.

01:41:42.580 Right.

01:41:43.480 Us, most of all.

01:41:44.520 Right.

01:41:44.960 Commitment to service.

01:41:47.920 And when asked about it, what does that mean?

01:41:51.460 What do they say?

01:41:52.840 Knowing that the country, our friends and allies are relying on us, we are dedicated to fulfilling

01:41:57.700 our commitment to serve and do excellence in the pursuit of our critical mission.

01:42:02.040 Okay.

01:42:02.320 What's your critical mission?

01:42:04.240 Not honesty.

01:42:06.900 What's your critical mission?

01:42:08.500 You're going to, you're going to get that mission done, but what is it?

01:42:12.420 And did you see who they said they answer to?

01:42:14.720 That they know that they're held in high regard, which shows they're not an intelligence agency.

01:42:19.380 They're living in a dream world.

01:42:20.840 Because they're not.

01:42:22.240 But they know they're held in high regard and they, they want to do their best.

01:42:27.540 They want to do their best to make sure they don't, they don't let down the American leadership and the American people.

01:42:37.400 Uh, the American people are the American leadership.

01:42:42.240 Yeah.

01:42:42.400 You're, you're, they've now separated us from them.

01:42:47.240 You know, here's a theory.

01:42:49.320 Why isn't the NSA releasing all the documents?

01:42:54.800 Well, why didn't they release the memos from, from Hillary Clinton's servers?

01:43:00.580 Why didn't they, why didn't they?

01:43:02.340 We asked that question a lot.

01:43:03.560 Correct.

01:43:03.900 Why didn't they have the IRS, uh, records that Lois Lerner suddenly, why do we not have the FBI texts? 0.95

01:43:13.860 Why?

01:43:14.180 We know, you, we all know that the NSA has more servers and more hard drive space than all of the companies in Silicon Valley combined.

01:43:25.820 Now think of that.

01:43:26.420 That's, that's Google, Facebook, Apple.

01:43:30.120 I mean, we have more.

01:43:34.680 Here's why they're not releasing it.

01:43:36.200 Nobody wants you to freak out that they actually have all of these things.

01:43:45.400 So no one in Congress, because they've all told us, no, no, no, no, no.

01:43:50.300 They just have, you know, person one, uh, bought person thing, uh, person two, a thing for their birthday.

01:44:00.020 We don't know what it is.

01:44:01.300 We don't know who those people are.

01:44:02.680 We just saw that happen.

01:44:04.820 That's bull crap.

01:44:06.200 And so they don't want to go in on anything to reach into that and pull it out because once, once they do, then they expose themselves as liars and they expose the NSA for what it really is doing and what it is capable of doing.

01:44:22.900 And they run the risk of waking up the American people to the threat because the way it is now, somebody, too many of us think, well, I'm not doing anything wrong.

01:44:30.460 I don't care what the NSA does.

01:44:31.540 Let them keep that stuff on me.

01:44:32.800 I'm not doing anything wrong.

01:44:34.140 Well, that's not the point.

01:44:35.240 And you're not the one who decides if what you're doing is wrong or not.

01:44:38.540 They are.

01:44:39.560 So that could change at any time.

01:44:40.780 These are texts between two people that were having an affair.

01:44:43.920 Yeah.

01:44:44.660 They can reach in and get those.

01:44:46.180 Well, they didn't think they were doing anything wrong, or at least that's what they say at this point.

01:44:49.760 And maybe they weren't.

01:44:51.400 And maybe they weren't.

01:44:52.900 But can the NSA go and reach and get those things?

01:44:56.040 We were talking, um, uh, yesterday, Stu, what was the story on the porn videos?

01:45:03.200 Oh, yeah.

01:45:04.680 This is amazing.

01:45:05.920 So I think it was about two months ago we did a story about this new thing that was happening on, I think it was Reddit was where it started.

01:45:13.380 And, and they were talking about how they were, they were using artificial intelligence, uh, to put the faces of celebrities on existing porn videos.

01:45:26.820 So it would look like, you know, Taylor Swift had a porn video.

01:45:32.400 Okay.

01:45:32.600 So I did a show.

01:45:33.760 And who was doing that?

01:45:34.780 Just somebody on, just, just an average citizen.

01:45:37.720 Okay.

01:45:38.160 Just a regular person.

01:45:38.860 And it was a rudimentary.

01:45:40.180 And they were saying, wow, well, you know, at some point in the future, this could get really bad where you wouldn't even be able to tell.

01:45:44.680 So at that time, a month or so ago, it was in December that that broke.

01:45:49.320 I did a show and I said, cause he brought that up and I said, you don't know the half of it.

01:45:53.300 Here's what's coming.

01:45:54.360 Do you have the audio?

01:45:55.320 This is from December, last December on the TV show.

01:46:00.240 Researchers in artificial intelligence lab in California, they developed an algorithm capable of manipulating images into pretty much anything that they want.

01:46:09.920 I'm going to show you the algorithm first.

01:46:13.100 Here's a horse.

01:46:14.580 It's running.

01:46:15.520 It's changing into a zebra.

01:46:17.040 See, now this is old and you can see it's not quite perfect.

01:46:20.480 Do you know how hard that is to change a horse into a zebra?

01:46:25.380 Now you're watching that.

01:46:27.280 Think about this as this technology gets better.

01:46:30.380 You have a video of somebody walking into a brothel.

01:46:34.360 They want them to make it look like you.

01:46:36.940 Not going to be hard.

01:46:38.540 Okay.

01:46:38.760 That was a month ago and I went chilling and I went deep into it.

01:46:43.260 You've got to look for this episode.

01:46:44.740 If you're a subscriber to the blaze TV, it's a chilling episode.

01:46:48.720 Talk about it for 30 minutes.

01:46:50.000 I said, this is coming and it's going to come faster than you think.

01:46:52.720 This is just years away.

01:46:55.040 Yesterday, an update.

01:46:56.620 There's a whole subculture now that has spawned out of this where it's happening like crazy.

01:47:00.780 In fact, they've actually already created an app for you to switch on celebrity faces onto porn videos.

01:47:08.760 And they showed clips without the nudity in the news story.

01:47:11.980 And it's, you absolutely look at it and you think, wow, that looks like she's actually in that video.

01:47:18.400 A real like A-list celebrity.

01:47:20.120 And so, as you read the story, there's a one throwaway line about halfway through it that says, most of the videos they're doing this with are porn.

01:47:30.160 However, there was a video of the Argentinian president doing something.

01:47:35.760 I want to say it was like he was...

01:47:37.580 Pro-Hitler.

01:47:37.940 A pro-Hitler speech of some sort where they had put the Argentinian president's face onto someone who was saying something positive about Hitler.

01:47:47.280 Wow.

01:47:47.780 And so...

01:47:48.980 And you can't tell.

01:47:49.880 And it's still very early.

01:47:52.300 Like there are some of the...

01:47:53.280 You can tell a little bit, but we're at the point now where there's already user-friendly apps to do these things to people.

01:48:00.480 Where will this be?

01:48:02.220 What can governments do to regular citizens?

01:48:05.800 All it takes is computing power.

01:48:07.620 May I remind you the NSA has more servers than all of Silicon Valley combined.

01:48:13.500 Okay.

01:48:14.220 So, what I said about that at the time was, okay, so you walk into a brothel, but it wasn't you.

01:48:21.840 If the government or somebody else that is powerful...

01:48:24.480 Now, remember, do you remember the story from Russia where the Russian government offered a million dollars to anyone who could prove that the picture of the Soviets landing on the moon and the Soviets planting the Soviet flag wasn't real.

01:48:45.280 They've developed an algorithm that now you cannot tell.

01:48:49.720 There's no traces that they have augmented a picture.

01:48:52.860 Okay.

01:48:53.540 And so, what they did is they took a picture of, you know, our moon landing with Apollo 11, and they just put them in a cosmonaut outfit with a Soviet flag and put the Soviet flag on the lunar lander.

01:49:05.140 You could tell because you've seen that picture a million times.

01:49:07.740 You knew that was our lunar lander, but they were saying a million dollars for anybody that can prove that this is a fake because you can't.

01:49:14.940 So, now, let me ask you this.

01:49:19.840 If I said to you today, Pat, to solve crime, if we just track everybody, okay, if we just always track everybody, we're going to be able to get rid of 90...

01:49:35.940 If we're going to be able to prove people were guilty 90% of the time, but everybody has to be tracked, what would you say?

01:49:43.060 I would say if you're willing to compromise your liberty for your security, you're going to lose both and you deserve neither.

01:49:48.960 Okay.

01:49:49.260 Right?

01:49:49.720 So, no way.

01:49:50.740 Everyone says no to that.

01:49:51.660 Everybody says no to that.

01:49:52.900 Let me say this.

01:49:53.540 Pat, right now, nefarious people, because you're a CEO, because you're outspoken in the PTA, because you have an ex-spouse or boyfriend or girlfriend that hates your guts,

01:50:10.620 they can produce evidence that no one can tell is true, and they're going to put it out online, and it could destroy you.

01:50:24.600 Now, the way to take care of this is just if we just know where you are all the time, you can prove that wasn't you walking into the brothel. 1.00

01:50:35.480 Now, I pitch it that way, and this stuff becomes real, and people start to know it, and people are starting to be destroyed by it, and you don't know.

01:50:47.800 You'll always have that question.

01:50:49.400 Okay, it's Pat.

01:50:50.220 I don't think he was in the brothel, but I can't prove that video is not real.

01:50:55.220 I can't prove that wasn't him stabbing that woman to death.

01:50:59.240 And at the very least, it's going to create doubt in the mind of spouses, family members, children, friends.

01:51:07.400 You won't know what's true.

01:51:08.640 You won't know what's not true.

01:51:10.420 Now, you start to look at that tracking device and go, okay, maybe we should do that.

01:51:22.520 Jeez, we forgot.

01:51:23.900 Blah, blah, blah.

01:51:24.480 Security.

01:51:25.060 Look, we got Taco Bell fries here.

01:51:27.220 We're going to do that in just a second.

01:51:28.360 Let me take a quick break.

01:51:29.240 Oh, yeah.

01:51:29.800 The new Taco Bell fries are out today.

01:51:32.100 The recent false alarm in Hawaii really demonstrates on how unprepared people are.

01:51:39.120 If you didn't watch my warning on the economy yesterday from the TV show, please watch the first 10 minutes on demand at theblaze.com slash TV.

01:51:48.540 It is compelling, and it is based in math and history, and you need to see that 10-minute chalkboard right at the beginning of yesterday's show.

01:51:57.560 Because you need to do a few things to prepare.

01:52:01.240 One of the things that you can do if you have not yet done it is please, please have some sort of emergency food supply.

01:52:12.200 Right now, my Patriot Supply will provide 102 servings of survival food that lasts up to 25 years, and it's only $99.

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01:52:27.120 All you have to do is go to preparewithglenn.com.

01:52:29.980 If you don't think you need this, I want you to watch the first 10 minutes of the show last night.

01:52:35.280 And if you can pull that logic apart, go ahead.

01:52:39.200 Go ahead.

01:52:40.120 You won't.

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01:52:51.840 Glenn Beck Mercury.

01:52:56.980 All right.

01:52:58.660 Glenn Beck.

01:53:00.120 How did we miss the real news of the day?

01:53:01.640 Taco Bell has introduced their new fries today.

01:53:06.360 This is amazing.

01:53:07.260 And we have done a disservice to these fries, as we kind of pointed out in the break.

01:53:10.600 You know, they've now gone through the drive-thru, and we had to hear Glenn talk for however many minutes about whatever he was talking about.

01:53:16.320 Those are even fries.

01:53:18.420 Right.

01:53:18.680 So they're a little bit, you know, cold, perhaps, considering the room's about 58 degrees.

01:53:23.520 They look really dark and crispy.

01:53:26.360 They look perfect.

01:53:27.500 Very seasoned.

01:53:28.380 Very seasoned.

01:53:28.800 And then a really delicious little cheese sauce that I'm sure is 100% natural cheese.

01:53:35.280 Oh, yeah.

01:53:35.840 No chemical additives whatsoever.

01:53:37.480 Trying them first without the cheese sauce for me.

01:53:40.320 Oh.

01:53:41.320 Oh, yeah.

01:53:42.200 Seasoning is very good.

01:53:43.780 Yeah.

01:53:44.040 Not overly seasoned.

01:53:45.220 No.

01:53:45.720 But a little bit of a kick to them.

01:53:47.420 And then...

01:53:47.800 Compare them to...

01:53:49.240 Well, I don't know if I agree with this anymore.

01:53:50.900 I used to think the best fries in the world were McDonald's.

01:53:53.460 Yeah, I don't.

01:53:54.120 I don't anymore.

01:53:55.000 They're kind of getting a little, like, cardboard.

01:53:57.620 Or maybe it's just my palate has changed a bit.

01:54:00.560 I'm not eight.

01:54:01.840 They're somewhat similar, I would say, to checkers fries.

01:54:04.280 Have you guys ever been to a checkers before?

01:54:05.580 A long time.

01:54:06.840 Rallies is another one.

01:54:07.620 I just like them crispy on the outside.

01:54:10.260 Mm-hmm.

01:54:10.800 You know what I mean?

01:54:11.480 And if these were hot, these are exceptional.

01:54:13.620 These are very good.

01:54:14.640 And I got to say, that cheese sauce, man.

01:54:16.720 Taco Bell.

01:54:17.640 We were talking about this.

01:54:18.640 Border security.

01:54:19.700 If you're going to take away Taco Bell, open up the borders.

01:54:21.960 I don't care what happens to them.

01:54:23.200 I don't know if you know this, but Taco Bell isn't authentic Mexican food.

01:54:27.600 What are you talking about?

01:54:28.500 Yeah.

01:54:28.780 What?

01:54:29.020 Now, Panda Express is real, authentic Chinese food.

01:54:34.200 Absolutely.

01:54:34.840 Taco Bell's not authentic.

01:54:36.060 Right from the Panda, if I'm not mistaken.

01:54:38.540 They actually...

01:54:39.160 Yes, it is.

01:54:40.180 It is.

01:54:40.640 Look, I would give the...

01:54:41.360 These are solid.

01:54:42.260 I'd get them.

01:54:43.220 I'd give them a solid rating.

01:54:44.460 You'd get them.

01:54:45.140 Tell me the thing that you don't get from Taco Bell.

01:54:48.260 There is no thing I don't get from Taco Bell.

01:54:50.640 That's right.

01:54:51.400 Actually, the best thing for our health that has happened is Pat unleashed, which comes

01:54:54.980 after the show, because now Pat and I can't go to lunch right after the show, which happened

01:54:58.920 a lot of times at Taco Bell.

01:55:00.200 At Taco Bell itself.

01:55:01.020 And added a lot of pounds to the...

01:55:02.620 Sure did.

01:55:03.360 ...to the program.

01:55:05.220 Now, we can't go together because he's on the air.

01:55:08.440 Yeah.

01:55:08.860 And we're prepared for the TV show.

01:55:10.540 Like you don't each go at two o'clock.

01:55:13.200 Well, of course, but we do it separately now.

01:55:15.320 So you've got the calorie burn of talking.

01:55:23.840 See you tonight, five o'clock.

01:55:25.560 The latest episode, the last episode, Clinton and Russia and Ben Shapiro.

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01:56:04.200 Let's watch tonight.

01:56:05.920 God, succumb.

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01:56:08.080 There will be the power.

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The Glenn Beck Program - January 25, 2018

1⧸25⧸18 - 'Talking Stick Glitch' (Bryan Caplan & Ben Shapiro join Glenn)

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