The Glenn Beck Program - 1⧸30⧸18 - '#GlennWearThePants' (Jonah Goldberg joins Glenn)

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00:00:27.100 A lot happened since we met yesterday. FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, otherwise known as Andy.

00:00:34.100 Wasn't that the kid who owned the cowboy, too, in the Pixar movie, I think?

00:00:41.600 Yeah, he had Andy on his boot. I don't know what Andy has on his boot, but that's a different story.

00:00:47.020 Andy is the guy who was referred to in the text of the insurance policy.

00:00:52.320 Remember that, between Strzok and Page? He's now leaving the Bureau.

00:00:57.100 Now, there's a lot of people who say, this is no big deal. Yeah, it really is. It really is.

00:01:02.680 McCabe's ouster comes the same day his boss, Director Wray, reviewed the classified memo prepared by the House Intelligence Committee, which we'll get to in a little while.

00:01:12.720 Some congressmen are even saying that the memo shows KGB-like behavior on behalf of the FBI.

00:01:20.560 Others say it shows evidence that the controversial Steele dossier was used as the excuse by the FBI to get the FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign.

00:01:30.800 For a refresher here, the Steele dossier was financed by the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

00:01:39.200 Fusion GPS, the firm that commissioned Steele, who was an MI6 agent, formally, and very credible, formally,

00:01:47.780 they commissioned him to compile the dossier, also working for someone else during the same time frame, the Russian government.

00:01:59.840 That's a problem.

00:02:01.020 As if that doesn't look bad enough, CNN reported late last night that Director Wray sent out an all-employee email yesterday evening hinting that McCabe's dismissal

00:02:12.180 may have something to do with the incoming Inspector General's report investigating the handling of the 2016 Hillary Clinton email investigation.

00:02:22.260 And the hits just keep on coming.

00:02:24.600 Was the House Intelligence Committee memo, on top of the incoming Inspector General's report, the final hit that ultimately knocked McCabe out?

00:02:38.100 What is going on at the FBI?

00:02:41.660 We know that McCabe's wife received a campaign donation from Hillary Clinton and her political action committee when she was running for Virginia State Senate back in 2015.

00:02:51.060 Was that a payment that bought anybody's loyalty?

00:02:56.080 We also know that Strzok and Page were close to McCabe, as revealed in their text messages.

00:03:03.360 Now, I don't want to use the word secret society, but these three amigos, McCabe, Strzok, and Page,

00:03:12.200 not spoken of, but not really, definitely not a secret club, maybe a society.

00:03:22.260 I'm not sure, but the three of them are in the mix a lot here.

00:03:27.540 The House Intelligence Committee memo drops sometime this week.

00:03:32.900 Now, we're about to find out what is in that memo.

00:03:37.660 Well, is it partisan hype?

00:03:39.980 It is a Republican-created memo.

00:03:47.660 So the Republicans have been saying to themselves now for a while,

00:03:51.180 we demand we release the memo.

00:03:55.040 Yeah, yeah, we demand that we release the memo.

00:03:58.280 They have complete control.

00:03:59.640 This was put together by the Republicans.

00:04:03.000 They were demanding that they release their own memo.

00:04:07.540 That's not hard to do.

00:04:10.240 It's like, I demand that Glenn Beck wears pants.

00:04:14.040 Well, dude, you're the one that's choosing whether to wear pants or not.

00:04:17.760 Why make a big deal out of it?

00:04:19.800 Wear them.

00:04:21.840 This is much more like a Looney Tunes cartoon the further we get into it.

00:04:27.260 And I have a feeling.

00:04:31.960 That's not all, folks.

00:04:33.360 It's Tuesday, January 30th.

00:04:43.800 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:04:45.460 All right, we wanted to bring in Jason Batrill, who is one of our, he's our chief researcher and one of our writers and been with the program for a long time.

00:04:56.620 He is also former military intelligence and has actually written some of these things, like the Steele dossier.

00:05:07.280 And I thought he could kind of take us through blow by blow exactly what happened yesterday and what it all means.

00:05:15.700 So a lot going on yesterday, actually.

00:05:18.940 So we know that the FISA, like you were just talking about, the FISA memo or whatever they're calling that now, was voted on to be released, which was really stupid because they had, there was never any doubt that it was not going to get approved.

00:05:32.420 I think it was what, nine to four was the vote, something like that.

00:05:34.960 But it was theirs to release in the first place.

00:05:38.900 This isn't like, this is not a secret memo that was generated for the FISA warrant.

00:05:48.100 This was somebody who said, okay, I've seen it.

00:05:52.400 We don't know.

00:05:54.200 I've seen it and here's what I saw in it.

00:05:56.700 And it was a written, imagine, imagine if during the Lewinsky thing.

00:06:03.960 If the Democrats would have said, we demand that you release the memo that we created about Bill Clinton and how Ken Starr is being so bad, would we put stock in that?

00:06:22.060 We might look at it to see if there's anything interesting, but we would not use it as a smoking gun because it would have been created by the Democrats in support of their president.

00:06:35.480 What we really need is the actual FISA information, do we not?

00:06:43.320 We do.

00:06:44.600 You mean exactly what FISA actually showed?

00:06:47.400 Yeah, we need to know exactly what they presented.

00:06:51.080 We want the real documents, not a secondhand document from somebody who may or may not have seen the full range of evidence.

00:07:01.960 What I'm curious about is it did, and this is what some people like Trey Gowdy have hinted at, is that this is going to show that the Steele dossier was used as evidence that they needed to present to the FISA court to basically say, yeah, you can get these warrants in the Trump campaign.

00:07:17.640 I am really curious about that.

00:07:19.920 But not only that, but I want to know the process.

00:07:22.160 And we were talking about this earlier.

00:07:23.200 But like you said, I've written some of these before, mostly in Afghanistan with Al-Qaeda and Taliban, but we get these things all the time.

00:07:30.380 They're like, hey, Jason, go find out, you know, if the Taliban's over in that village or whatever.

00:07:33.580 So we'd reach out to a source that we trust, and that source would be like, oh, yeah, no problem, no problem.

00:07:38.180 Yeah, this guy, he's Taliban. 1.00

00:07:39.800 This guy gives food and money to Al-Qaeda, all these people.

00:07:42.820 Well, we wouldn't just send in SEAL Team 6 to go take them out.

00:07:45.940 We would then.

00:07:47.180 We'd verify.

00:07:47.620 So we would have to send someone like a CIA agent or someone like that to go talk to these guys, you know, face-to-face and say, where'd this information come from?

00:07:56.000 You know, like we need to verify it.

00:07:57.600 Once it's verified, then you take action, like hardcore action.

00:08:01.220 Us would be kinetic, but this would be the FISA.

00:08:03.480 So what we really need to know on the FISA thing is, did the FBI do, even if they say, well, there was no time,

00:08:11.660 did the FBI at the same time say, let's check on the veracity, let's go to the sources that are mentioned in this document.

00:08:23.540 Pivotal.

00:08:23.960 And see if we can verify.

00:08:26.180 So important.

00:08:26.880 You could make the case that, well, we didn't have time to do all of that because the presidency, you know,

00:08:35.120 the presidency could be compromised and we only had a few months, so we had to do them in tandem. 0.95

00:08:38.900 But if they didn't do that, if they didn't go back, because the, you know, especially the golden shower stuff is so ridiculous, is so ridiculous. 0.95

00:08:47.700 And it screams KGB. 0.94

00:08:50.900 I mean, that's the way they do it.

00:08:53.400 And it screams that.

00:08:56.160 We, you know, did the FBI know that the Steele dossier was financed by the DNC and at the same time that Steele was working part time for the Russians?

00:09:08.900 Yeah.

00:09:09.220 That's important.

00:09:11.160 That's very important.

00:09:12.400 And you would think that not only that, but this dossier screams former Soviet Union KGB like style and tactics.

00:09:19.200 Like, this is the stuff they do before they would like, they would try to insert information in other ways. 0.79

00:09:24.700 Like, they would send stupid stuff like Oliver Stone's JFK movie, which is a total, and a lot of people don't know that story, was a total Soviet plant. 0.90

00:09:32.340 All that stuff was like a plant from like a newspaper back in the 50s or whatever. 0.98

00:09:37.040 That was all KGB work. 0.81

00:09:38.880 Oliver Stone picks up and ran with it.

00:09:40.420 But this is the type of stuff they do.

00:09:41.760 They plant disinformation through credible sources like Steele.

00:09:45.700 But the issue is if there is time, like you pointed out, there's time to vet those sources and find out if we need to take other steps.

00:09:52.100 Now, you could be right.

00:09:53.100 They could have said this is we have no time.

00:09:55.680 The election's coming.

00:09:56.580 We have to do something now.

00:09:57.960 Yeah.

00:09:58.060 We don't know everything that is in the Steele dossier.

00:10:01.300 Right.

00:10:01.500 So there could have been things that if this is true, we cannot, this guy cannot be president of the United States.

00:10:09.200 We don't know.

00:10:10.040 And the same could be said if it was on Hillary Clinton.

00:10:13.200 So I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

00:10:19.240 As long as they are at the same time checking, wait a minute, Steele, you're getting money from the Russians now?

00:10:31.620 What are the connections there?

00:10:33.500 Who did you talk to?

00:10:35.120 Who gave us this information?

00:10:37.540 Can we verify that?

00:10:38.760 If they're not doing that at the same time, if they're just turning FISA and looking at Trump based on the Steele dossier and not doing any verification of it,

00:10:48.260 that is really dangerous.

00:10:50.500 So this conversation, I am highly confident, is the same exact conversation that's been going on in the House Intelligence Committee at this time.

00:11:00.040 I bet you that's entirely what they were saying.

00:11:02.080 Republicans are saying we need to get this out there now because they spied on the Trump campaign.

00:11:06.360 And the Democrats are probably saying, look, we're still vetting these sources for crying out loud.

00:11:10.440 We had no time.

00:11:11.680 We're still trying to check to see if this stuff is accurate.

00:11:14.040 If you release this now without redacting, and even if you do redact it, all those sources are going to go underground.

00:11:20.060 We're not going to be able to check them out.

00:11:21.740 That's my guess on the conflict right now, this exact same conversation.

00:11:25.960 And I have to tell you, anybody who is saying that we need to redact it for national security purposes,

00:11:32.160 if it was happening to the other party, both sides would be switched.

00:11:36.380 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:36.940 Both sides would be switched.

00:11:37.700 So there's nobody that's actually – I mean, I just think the American people, they just want the truth.

00:11:43.720 They just want the truth.

00:11:45.560 I think there are those who are still playing partisan politics and will accept any argument from their side.

00:11:55.740 And we should point out, too, that there are serious people in the intelligence world having these conversations.

00:12:01.840 Yes.

00:12:02.040 However, it's not the conversation they're having with us.

00:12:04.940 What they're telling – what we're seeing here is nonstop theater.

00:12:09.240 I mean, again, let's take on our own side just because it's easy to take on the Democrats.

00:12:13.980 I want to see this memo because I want more information on this.

00:12:17.480 I want to see the Democrat version, which also exists and supposedly is going to be coming out eventually.

00:12:22.040 I want to see both of their arguments because this is essentially you're watching law and order.

00:12:25.740 There's a prosecutor.

00:12:27.340 There's a defense.

00:12:28.200 You're seeing both sides of it.

00:12:29.660 I want to see both sides of it so I can try to make a decision.

00:12:31.800 Except – except you're tampering with the jury pool.

00:12:36.320 Yeah, right.

00:12:36.960 I'm not saying that –

00:12:38.120 This is pre-trial negotiation stuff.

00:12:42.100 Yeah.

00:12:42.400 You're actually tampering with the jury pool because you're – if both sides are putting this out, this is not the investigation.

00:12:52.660 This is not the actual trial.

00:12:54.780 This isn't what anyone would use to condemn the FBI, the Democrats, or Donald Trump.

00:13:01.800 This will only be used to condemn those people in the jury, us, in our minds.

00:13:09.120 This is not – I may be the only person alive that thinks that we should not see this memo yet.

00:13:17.780 Yeah, I mean, look, I want to see it because I want to try to make a decision.

00:13:22.100 There are people, and we've talked to some of them in Washington who are big-time Republicans who argue releasing this memo now is a bad idea because of exactly what you're talking about.

00:13:35.300 There's an investigation going on, and it's going to screw the investigation, not about Trump, but about Russia.

00:13:41.060 And so it's too big of a risk, and we should wait.

00:13:43.920 There's no reason for it to come out right now, per se, other than political reasons.

00:13:47.940 But again, going back to the sort of theater of this idea, the Republicans, dozens of them, went on Twitter and started a hashtag, release the memo.

00:13:59.420 They demanded you help them to spread this hashtag so it got trending, so that we'd be able to release the memo.

00:14:04.880 And here at the end of this, what we find out is that it was a Republican memo written by Republicans.

00:14:11.580 It was voted on partisan lines in the committee that Republicans could release it, and now it's going to go to a Republican president who's going to likely say that it was going to be released.

00:14:22.440 When you said release the memo, who were you asking?

00:14:25.100 Who were you demanding release the memo?

00:14:27.060 The exact people who wanted you to start the hashtag.

00:14:30.540 So it's just like it's all theater.

00:14:33.320 They're just trying to get all of us excited about these things, and I want to see the information.

00:14:39.160 I do, but why do we have to deal with this as well?

00:14:42.180 I just think we can sum it up with this, and I'm sorry to change the subject, but this is very important.

00:14:48.700 Will someone please tell Glenn Beck to wear pants?

00:14:52.800 We need a hashtag so he can finally see it.

00:14:57.820 Hashtag Glenn must wear pants.

00:15:00.700 I'd like to push back on this one, but I also agree.

00:15:03.320 There's a lot more going on.

00:15:08.200 Jason, stay with us, because it wasn't just the memo.

00:15:11.060 That was about a third of the news yesterday.

00:15:14.700 Guys, and please spread the hashtag, Glenn wear the pants.

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00:18:22.980 Okay, so let's go through this.

00:18:27.960 The FISA memo we now know is going to be released.

00:18:33.100 It could always be released because it was an internal Republican memo, and we saw a lot of stagecraft here to get this released.

00:18:43.280 We don't know what it says, but it'll go to Donald Trump.

00:18:49.740 He'll approve it, and it will be released.

00:18:54.200 That was only one-third of what happened yesterday.

00:18:56.600 Also, what happened was Director Wray reviewed the memo, and he also is having some problems with a new inspector general that is coming in.

00:19:10.320 You want to give us a little bit of that, Jason?

00:19:12.120 So we know Director Wray – so they – I guess one of the things the Democrats said was they were complaining about, as they should, that they – to release this was to compromise an investigation.

00:19:21.920 So I guess Republicans compromised on that and said, okay, well, let's – we'll let Director Wray read the memo.

00:19:27.600 So they had been holding this back from the FBI for the longest time, but they finally let Director Wray read the memo.

00:19:32.920 So Director Wray read the memo.

00:19:34.260 I think it took him a while.

00:19:35.500 I think they said it was a four-page memo.

00:19:37.920 And not too long after that, Andy McCabe, Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, has announced that he steps down.

00:19:45.720 Now, I think that the timing on this is very, very interesting.

00:19:49.640 I think that this definitely had a part of what happened.

00:19:53.200 Because McCabe is friends with Strzok and Page, the two people that – remember they lost all of their texts?

00:20:02.000 He's friends with them.

00:20:03.780 And he was the Andy in that – in those texts that says, you know, remember we had a meeting in Andy's office and we just can't let this guy win.

00:20:12.940 There's got to be some kind of insurance policy.

00:20:15.620 Right.

00:20:16.620 And we also know that around this time, there was an Inspector General report that was going around.

00:20:24.140 And we'll get into that in just a second.

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00:20:32.820 Glenn Beck.

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00:20:41.660 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:20:43.540 So yesterday was a big day and the investigation on Russia and Trump and Hillary Clinton, a lot happened.

00:20:52.600 One is the memo, the FISA memo, that has been deemed secret.

00:20:57.980 It was written by the Republicans in defense of the Republicans.

00:21:02.520 And then the Republicans had to convince you to convince them to release it.

00:21:07.540 So yesterday they voted to release this memo.

00:21:11.660 It will be interesting to see what is in it, but it will be important to stress what is not in it.

00:21:19.720 This is only one side of it.

00:21:23.520 And, you know, with all the hype on this, I got to believe there's something juicy in it.

00:21:30.460 We brought in Jason Petrill, who is a former military intelligence, used to write these kinds of memos.

00:21:35.620 What do you expect to see in this that is accurate?

00:21:38.880 I expect to see.

00:21:43.000 I expect to see that they did have some information coming from Russia.

00:21:47.800 I definitely expect it.

00:21:49.160 There's credible sources that Steele uses.

00:21:51.540 I don't expect to see names of sources because I don't think Steele will ever give those up.

00:21:56.220 So we're not going to see anything a whole lot new, I don't believe.

00:21:59.740 I think we're going to get a whole lot of what some people are calling pure speculation and rumor and what other people are calling actual hard intelligence.

00:22:07.740 But the Nunez memo itself is not going to have that.

00:22:11.020 The Nunez memo is going to be more about the case against the way the FBI handled both the Clinton email investigation and also the way they got into this with Steele, right?

00:22:22.940 Because this is going to be essentially their side of it.

00:22:25.900 Yeah.

00:22:26.260 Well, wait.

00:22:27.040 The FISA memo from Nunez isn't about the Clinton.

00:22:31.920 That is another memo that is coming out from the Attorney General.

00:22:37.420 I'm sorry, not the Attorney General.

00:22:38.460 The Inspector General.

00:22:40.320 That one is, what were you doing during the Clinton thing?

00:22:44.980 There's some, that one apparently is not good for the FBI.

00:22:50.420 And I'm really interested because that's an Inspector General.

00:22:54.660 That's nonpartisan.

00:22:56.060 And that memo, we know an email went out from Director Wray yesterday.

00:23:00.720 It was a FBI-wide email last night.

00:23:03.400 So all this stuff is happening within the same day, pretty much, within a 24-hour time frame.

00:23:08.180 But last night he sends it out and he examines and addresses why McCabe left.

00:23:13.900 And he strongly hints, according to CNN, strongly hints that it was because of this Inspector General finding about how they handled the 2016 Hillary Clinton email investigation.

00:23:27.080 And so is that real, is that really why he left?

00:23:31.500 And to have CNN as the source on that, that's pretty good.

00:23:35.740 They don't want to report that.

00:23:36.740 And we know that this has been going on for a little while, so I don't think the findings were new.

00:23:42.040 It's just this announcement was new.

00:23:43.340 But that coupled on top of what Director Wray just read in the House Intelligence Committee memo, that might have been the one-two shot that eventually just knocked him out.

00:23:53.940 Right.

00:23:54.060 Because the Inspector General is coming out and saying, look how you handled this.

00:24:00.040 And if the FISA, the Nunez-FISA secret memo has McCabe in there with this secret cabal between the three of them saying, we need some sort of an insurance policy.

00:24:11.240 And there's more to that than what we already know.

00:24:15.120 That would be very bad.

00:24:16.840 Is my instinct wrong to think that we should probably just wait until this stuff comes out before going crazy over this stuff?

00:24:25.100 I mean, I just feel like there's so much nonsense surrounding it and so many political goals, people pushing for their own agendas, that until we actually see this information, we really can't judge it.

00:24:39.040 I feel like we're just kind of caught up in this hype circle.

00:24:41.460 So I disagree with you to some extent.

00:24:44.640 I don't think that we are caught in the hype circle on this.

00:24:49.580 I mean, what we're trying to do is saying, don't get caught in the hype circle.

00:24:53.640 When this memo comes out, remember, it's one side written by the political players in Washington defending their side.

00:25:03.380 Now, there may be, you know what this is?

00:25:06.340 If we jump to conclusions based on a politically written memo from a party and the party bosses,

00:25:19.400 and we act on that, we are no different than if the FISA court was given all of this information about Donald Trump from the DNC and they acted on that without saying, wait a minute, let's see all of the evidence.

00:25:37.460 Where did you get this evidence?

00:25:38.760 How did you arrive at this?

00:25:39.960 This is amazing because we have a politically motivated dossier that kicked off a lot of this.

00:26:08.320 Now we have a politically motivated House Intelligence Committee memo almost in response.

00:26:14.280 I mean, I'm really torn on this because either way, our country loses on this.

00:26:19.760 Either way.

00:26:20.940 And Russia wins. 0.96

00:26:22.140 And Russia wins. 0.96

00:26:22.980 Either the Democrats conspired with Russian help to undermine a presidential candidate or Republicans are conspiring to damage the FBI.

00:26:34.120 I mean, either way.

00:26:34.780 Look at this.

00:26:35.240 I was just looking at the postmortem for the FBI.

00:26:37.600 So this is the FBI and the DOJ.

00:26:40.400 McCabe, as of yesterday, out.

00:26:42.220 Or from the Justice Department, it's been demoted twice.

00:26:44.720 He's basically like a janitor now over there, I think.

00:26:47.160 Strzok and Page both kicked off the Mueller probe.

00:26:51.500 Page left just before the text went public.

00:26:55.240 The FBI general counsel.

00:26:57.120 He served as counsel for McCabe, Baker.

00:26:59.280 He was reassigned.

00:27:00.700 Many people speculate because of this.

00:27:02.720 Rubicki, the chief of staff for both Comey and Ray, left the FBI.

00:27:07.220 This is racking up day by day.

00:27:10.020 This isn't really bad to you.

00:27:11.180 Either way.

00:27:11.780 I mean, there's no winning here.

00:27:12.960 This is, here's the, here's the, there is a long-term win if we hold our heads together.

00:27:19.460 If we, if we are patient and don't do anything based on political stuff, do it on reason and facts, then there is a big win here.

00:27:32.660 You know, in 2008, I said, I'm telling you, if this guy lasts, this guy lasts, the way he's running things, we will find the biggest scandals, bigger than Watergate.

00:27:46.120 We'll find it.

00:27:47.220 It'll be there.

00:27:47.940 I believe we are seeing this.

00:27:52.000 Why is it so remarkable to think that the FBI might be turned into a political organization when that is exactly what the Washington Post exposed with Richard Nixon?

00:28:08.380 He used the Justice Department.

00:28:10.420 Look at the number of people in the Justice Department, all the way to the Attorney General.

00:28:15.060 Would anyone be surprised if we found out our former Attorney General was, was stacking this politically, was, was doing all kinds of things for political reasons?

00:28:29.560 Would anyone have a doubt the guy who did Fast and Furious might have been involved in stacking the FBI so we're not investigating the things we should be?

00:28:42.300 I wouldn't be surprised by that.

00:28:45.800 And quite honestly, neither would the Democrats if I said that about Donald Trump.

00:28:50.960 Would you be surprised if Donald Trump was stacking the DOJ to make sure that they investigate what he wants and not what he doesn't want?

00:28:59.640 That was the problem with the Watergate.

00:29:02.300 And look how many people it took down.

00:29:08.580 As it should have.

00:29:10.640 I say, let the chips fall where they may.

00:29:13.040 I want, I want the FBI and the Justice Department fumigated. 0.89

00:29:17.400 I want it.

00:29:18.060 I want all of the partisans from the left and from the right.

00:29:21.580 I want them out.

00:29:23.520 Justice must be blind.

00:29:26.300 We have created a system where nothing is blind.

00:29:32.280 You're judged on everything.

00:29:35.340 Whether you voted for this person or that person.

00:29:38.900 Justice must be blind.

00:29:41.880 And I think if we hold our heads together and we don't panic and we don't play, all the world is but a stage and we are merely but the players.

00:29:49.840 We are being played.

00:29:52.460 We're being played.

00:29:53.720 And we're being played for votes.

00:29:55.640 Both sides are playing this for votes.

00:29:57.980 And it makes us not see that there is real corruption in our government.

00:30:05.220 And it is tied directly to the parties and to Russia.

00:30:11.200 That's what we have to hold out front and center and let the chips fall where they may.

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00:32:11.140 Back.

00:32:11.980 Mercury.

00:32:12.980 Trust is an important thing.

00:32:15.420 It's something that we do a lot more as human beings than I think most people realize.

00:32:19.040 I mean, you drive down the road and there's a little yellow line between a car coming at you at 50 miles an hour and you're on your side of the road and they're on their side of the road.

00:32:27.900 And we just trust that they'll stay on their side of the road.

00:32:30.300 Their self-interest will do it.

00:32:31.680 Whatever it is.

00:32:33.080 We don't die most of the time when we're driving.

00:32:35.400 And this is a positive thing.

00:32:37.420 It's hard, though, to find people you can trust when it comes to really complicated transactions like real estate.

00:32:43.640 I mean, what do you do?

00:32:44.460 You know, you're talking about your biggest investment in your entire life and you're trusting this to someone because you don't understand what any of those forms mean.

00:32:52.520 I never do.

00:32:53.640 No one does.

00:32:54.560 You don't even have people don't even read them.

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00:33:44.460 Glenn, back.

00:33:47.500 Let me go to Saul, who's listening to us in New York.

00:33:49.840 Hi, Saul.

00:33:50.280 Welcome to the program.

00:33:53.480 Saul, are you there?

00:33:55.760 There?

00:33:56.440 Yes.

00:33:56.940 Go ahead, sir.

00:33:58.620 Okay.

00:33:59.080 Hey, Glenn, I agree with you that it's politically motivated, but it's not politically motivated

00:34:03.140 as much as you think on the Republican side.

00:34:05.700 I mean, what do they gain by making it politically motivated?

00:34:08.880 No one's going to jail.

00:34:10.580 That's obvious.

00:34:11.680 And like you, we need to fumigate these departments. 1.00

00:34:14.720 And guys like Jim Jordan working so hard to try to get this truth exposed.

00:34:19.940 I think that falls into the CNN narrative where this is politically motivated.

00:34:26.180 It's partisan politics, et cetera.

00:34:28.180 Well, hang on just a sec.

00:34:29.280 This is uncovering corruption.

00:34:31.260 Hang on just a sec.

00:34:31.880 I agree with you.

00:34:32.720 It's on corruption.

00:34:33.720 I agree with you.

00:34:34.820 I mean, there's some serious Republicans who...

00:34:38.200 Yeah, we like Jim Jordan.

00:34:39.220 Pardon me.

00:34:39.740 Yeah, we love him.

00:34:40.740 There's some serious Republicans that are involved in this.

00:34:43.480 And there are some serious Republicans that are saying, don't release this because it

00:34:47.280 will hurt the investigation right now.

00:34:49.800 Don't.

00:34:50.220 It's important that it comes out.

00:34:51.660 Yada, yada, yada.

00:34:52.280 Um, the, the, the problem I have, Saul, when you say it's not politically motivated, again,

00:34:58.700 I said earlier, if, if I said to you, you have to call Glenn Beck because he's got, he

00:35:04.060 has got to wear pants and I want you to do a hashtag thing and I want you to tell all

00:35:08.960 your friends, Glenn Beck has to wear pants.

00:35:11.000 Well, Glenn Beck is telling you that this is a Republican memo issued by the Republicans.

00:35:19.820 Uh, and then they, the Republicans who had the right to release it the whole time, they

00:35:25.200 could have just released it.

00:35:26.540 They made a big deal out of it.

00:35:28.880 And, you know, there, I mean, that's what politicians, that's what, that's what political

00:35:33.340 parties are for, but, but recognize when there is a political party involved in this,

00:35:40.200 they, if they would have just released it, that would have been one thing, but they

00:35:44.600 didn't, they made it into a show, uh, and said, we've got to release this.

00:35:48.800 Well, they had the power to release it the whole time, the whole time, right?

00:35:51.820 It's real.

00:35:52.900 These are real issues surrounded by theater.

00:35:55.680 It's the same thing with the Russia investigation.

00:35:57.800 We will look at the left.

00:35:58.740 They are making this big thing about Trump and trying to make this into Trump when there's

00:36:02.960 a real issue about the right, about what Russia is doing with our elections that exists underneath

00:36:09.000 all this theater.

00:36:10.060 Yeah.

00:36:10.260 And all we do is deal with the theater back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.

00:36:13.700 When there's something real here, the same thing I think with the FBI, I think there's

00:36:18.020 a lot of great FBI agents.

00:36:19.340 I think they do a lot of great things.

00:36:20.860 There's a, our intelligence community are not all villains.

00:36:24.280 However, there is an obvious issue with corruption at certain levels of, of these organizations.

00:36:30.380 And we don't know what they are.

00:36:31.600 We don't know what they are yet, but we need to find out what it is.

00:36:34.940 And we need to sort through all of the nonsensical theater to get to it.

00:36:38.740 I think the theater hurts it.

00:36:40.900 It's what parties do, but that is, I think it's detrimental.

00:36:43.420 And I, and I think, so I agree with you, Saul, that, um, you know, there are real issues

00:36:48.260 here.

00:36:48.660 I disagree that, uh, it's, it's not political theater.

00:36:53.520 It is political theater.

00:36:54.900 And we have to be able to separate that from what the memo says, and then separate that

00:37:02.220 from what the actual hard evidence says.

00:37:05.120 We won't know what the hard evidence says.

00:37:07.240 This is one side looking at it.

00:37:09.720 So we have to be, we have to be, um, measured here because the real goal is to actually find

00:37:17.360 out what's happening in the FBI, the justice department, and with Russia.

00:37:23.300 You with me, Saul, or did you leave?

00:37:25.980 No, I'm still here.

00:37:27.040 The question I have then is when you have a year's worth of investigating with this Mueller

00:37:32.340 investigation, and yet on some networks and some pundits talking about the distraction

00:37:39.120 from the Republican side on the Mueller investigation, how much are we distracting?

00:37:43.620 This man has had a year of our tax dollars to spend to do this investigation, but yet

00:37:49.420 we're still hearing a narrative that this is all just a distraction to the Mueller investigation.

00:37:53.720 So that's, your problem is, your problem is, and I agree with you, is with the media and

00:37:59.060 the way the media is, is spinning it.

00:38:02.240 Um, you know, Watergate happened in 1972.

00:38:07.320 It wasn't finished until like 1970, what, six?

00:38:11.280 I mean, it went on for four years.

00:38:15.040 Yeah, Nixon came out in his State of the Union and said one year of Watergate is enough.

00:38:18.400 Right, I mean, this is how long these things take.

00:38:22.780 I just, I just think it is really imperative that we all look and say on both sides, this

00:38:30.560 is political posturing, and in that political posturing, there may be some truths that we

00:38:36.520 need to look at, but this is political posturing, let's look at those truths and let's verify,

00:38:42.920 let's not do what we're accusing the FISA court of doing.

00:38:46.160 Taking an open dossier, one source, and buying into it and saying, we need to spy.

00:38:52.520 No, that's one source.

00:38:55.220 Let's verify what's in there and do it methodically.

00:38:59.360 We have one shot at this, let's do it right.

00:39:03.500 Glenn, back, Mercury.

00:39:16.160 Love, courage, truth.

00:39:25.700 Glenn, back.

00:39:27.320 Wow, was that Republican-backed tax plan evil or what?

00:39:31.160 And if you did get a raise or a bonus or anything, those are just crumbs.

00:39:36.980 At least, those are the lines from the Democrats.

00:39:39.340 That the plan is all about lining the pocket of the companies and rich people, although

00:39:45.080 in California, they're trying to claw all that money back and trying to tax the companies

00:39:50.560 on all of the profits that they now get to keep because of the federal income tax.

00:39:56.700 Trickle-down economics. 0.97

00:39:58.560 It's a myth invented by Republicans to make you just poor and miserable. 0.89

00:40:02.620 Democrats have repeated basically the same line since Andrew Jackson, and I'm not kidding. 0.83

00:40:08.020 And the media has helped them repeat that message over and over and over again, and our

00:40:11.940 so-called educational institutions are just feeding that nonsense to our children day and

00:40:18.980 night.

00:40:20.140 Now, I want to make sure everybody understands.

00:40:22.080 I mean, the tax plan was not some genius, oh my gosh, look at this, a real overhaul.

00:40:28.720 It was a mediocre plan that could have been a lot better, but I will take it and I will

00:40:33.200 celebrate that we have it.

00:40:35.820 But let me point out one part of the tax plan that's really good, that nobody has really

00:40:39.880 talked about, and it's designed to help some of the most economically depressed areas in

00:40:44.280 the country.

00:40:44.920 It's a stealthy part of the tax plan.

00:40:46.780 It's buried on page 130 of the bill, and it allows states to designate certain regions

00:40:52.000 within the state borders as an opportunity zone.

00:40:54.940 Now, these are the areas with high poverty, unemployment, slow business growth, and what

00:41:01.020 this tax plan does, it allows businesses and venture capitalists to invest long-term in

00:41:06.500 these opportunity zones, and by doing it, they can save a ton of money through avoiding capital

00:41:12.320 gains taxes.

00:41:13.780 This is really good.

00:41:14.900 This is how this works.

00:41:16.040 Over the last five years, the U.S. economy has grown and added jobs, but the growth has

00:41:21.900 been mostly in large cities.

00:41:24.220 From 2010 to 2014 prime Obama years, more businesses closed in rural America than opened.

00:41:31.340 You know, Democrats, if you would just hear that, you might start to figure out why Donald

00:41:35.420 Trump won.

00:41:36.560 There's another reason.

00:41:37.740 Now, with this in the new tax plan, investors are going to be able to create opportunity funds

00:41:45.120 for these zones around the country and seed new businesses, expand existing businesses,

00:41:51.020 or develop real estate.

00:41:52.900 If the investors maintain their investment for 10 years, they avoid paying capital gains

00:41:57.960 taxes altogether.

00:42:00.320 That is gigantic.

00:42:03.060 The chairman of President Trump's Council for Economic Advisors said, if this plan works,

00:42:07.800 quoting, we'll look back 10 years from now and say this is one of the most important parts

00:42:11.680 of the tax bill, and nobody really even talked about it.

00:42:17.040 Plenty of ways to be cynical about a provision like this.

00:42:20.580 Maybe it's a corporate scheme to take rural America for a ride while avoiding taxes.

00:42:25.700 Or maybe it really is what it sounds like.

00:42:29.640 The government actually cracking open a window of opportunity for private businesses to do what

00:42:34.680 you know, what they're best at.

00:42:36.880 And the process helps parts of the country that really need the boost.

00:42:43.780 What a concept.

00:42:45.140 A guy whose writing has really affected my life and I have a ton of respect for and I think

00:43:06.900 is a brave and funny individual.

00:43:10.200 Jonah Goldberg joins us now.

00:43:11.760 Hello, Jonah.

00:43:12.340 How are you?

00:43:13.300 Hey, Glenn.

00:43:13.900 It's great to be here.

00:43:14.740 It's good to have you on.

00:43:15.820 So let me start with this.

00:43:17.340 Before we get in the news of the day and everything that's going on, you were outspoken

00:43:21.960 on Donald Trump.

00:43:23.100 Tell me the things that he has done that you say, I can't believe it.

00:43:27.280 This is really good.

00:43:30.020 Oh, gosh, there are a bunch.

00:43:31.320 I mean, obviously the judges, you know, starting with Gorsuch, but also on the lower courts.

00:43:36.140 Um, I like, from what I've seen, about 98% of the deregulation stuff.

00:43:43.200 Um, you know, and some of it is not necessarily his hands on, his personal handiwork.

00:43:48.300 I mean, Ajit Pai and Scott Gottlieb are doing great things at the FCC and the FDA.

00:43:53.120 Um, I love what I, you know, I think a lot of the things he's done we would have gotten

00:43:58.360 from almost any other Republican, but one of the things that I think he deserves extraordinary

00:44:02.200 credit for is, um, moving the capital of Jerusalem, I mean, the capital of Israel to Jerusalem.

00:44:07.940 I'm not sure any other Republican would have done that.

00:44:11.000 I'm not sure any other Republican would have touched Anwar quite yet. 0.83

00:44:14.320 Um, and so, I mean, there's some things that I think he, that he's done are, are great.

00:44:19.980 And, um, it's, it's, it's hard for people to, it's, it's so funny because if you say, well,

00:44:26.780 you know what, I would like to live a little more sustainable life.

00:44:29.520 I don't, you know, I, I think recycling is important.

00:44:32.620 You're immediately a, you know, global warming crackpot to some.

00:44:37.140 Um, and if you, you know, if you, uh, don't believe in that, you know, then all of a sudden,

00:44:44.040 you know, I, I don't believe in man-made global warming, or I don't believe that the solutions

00:44:48.800 that we're, we're saying, uh, that will work will actually work.

00:44:53.980 Well, all of a sudden now you're, you're a crackpot on the other side.

00:44:57.560 And there's no middle, there's no way for people to say, you know what?

00:45:02.200 I really like Donald Trump and I'm, I have to give him real high praise on these things,

00:45:07.620 but I'm really kind of disappointed or disgusted by these things.

00:45:11.600 We can't play that middle ground anymore.

00:45:14.140 It's all or nothing on both sides.

00:45:16.300 No, I, I look, I mean, that's a huge frustration of mine.

00:45:18.780 And I think there are a lot of reasons for it.

00:45:20.720 I really don't like this kind of binary tribal thinking, um, where everyone has a coalition

00:45:25.460 and we all must agree with our members of our coalition and that the other, that our enemy

00:45:29.800 coalition isn't our opponents, it's our enemies.

00:45:32.920 They're, you know, the Democrats are an existential threat and all that.

00:45:37.380 Excuse me.

00:45:37.940 I don't like that kind of thinking.

00:45:39.580 Um, but I think, you know, one of the reasons why we have it so much with, with Donald Trump

00:45:44.640 is that, you know, take, take, you know, the various sex scandal allegations that roll

00:45:51.660 out with Donald Trump, the latest one being this thing with Stormy Daniels, it's not enough.

00:45:57.180 You know, I don't, I have no problem with voters doing a cost benefit analysis and saying,

00:46:02.160 you know, look, on net, he's been better for me and better for the country.

00:46:06.500 He's doing things I like, but I really just can't stand some of that personal stuff or

00:46:09.640 the tweeting or whatever.

00:46:11.100 But you see people like Jerry Falwar Jr. and Tony Perkins from the family research

00:46:15.380 panel, just going way out there to offer, as Perkins called it, a mulligan to Trump and

00:46:22.060 basically minimize or dismiss his personal character stuff.

00:46:25.920 And I think that's really problematic for, um, people who pretend to be, or claim to

00:46:31.420 be, um, leading moral authorities.

00:46:34.820 And, you know, Jerry Falwar Jr. took over the mantle of basically his dad's empire, which

00:46:40.500 tried to push Christian morality as deep into politics as they could get it.

00:46:45.660 And I've defended them for it for years.

00:46:47.460 Um, but I think one of the reasons why you get this binary thing is that because of Donald

00:46:53.640 Trump's vanity and his narcissism and because of the defensiveness that so many of his biggest

00:46:59.040 supporters have, you can't criticize X while supporting Y because all Donald Trump wants

00:47:06.940 to hear from anybody is flattery.

00:47:08.840 And he takes it and he needs flattery and that forces you to either stay silent on things

00:47:14.020 you cannot flatter him on or to actually flatter him about things that he shouldn't be flattered

00:47:18.960 on.

00:47:19.240 And it's a bad psychological component.

00:47:21.580 So Jonah, what are you expecting from the, uh, state of the union tonight that, uh, that

00:47:26.220 actually is meaningful?

00:47:27.600 I mean, I, I hate these things cause it's just, it's, it's nothing but a, you know, a gift

00:47:31.420 list and an introduction of, you know, children without faces.

00:47:34.640 You know, honestly, I think that the, this is, this is monarchist swill and that, um, we

00:47:42.020 would be much better off if the president, like in the old days, just sent a letter to

00:47:47.560 Congress, or if we had them, had the state of the union acted out by mimes and anyone

00:47:54.880 who, whoever did the worst by voice vote was fed to wolves.

00:47:58.940 I mean, I think that would be better, um, but, um, that, you know, so stipulated.

00:48:04.640 Um, I don't know.

00:48:07.020 I look, I, I think his, you know, the last, his first address, the joint session of Congress

00:48:11.440 technically wasn't a state of the union.

00:48:13.120 Everyone's calling this his first day of the union fine, but he did very well on that

00:48:16.460 first one.

00:48:17.700 And, um, it was one of the first examples, cause it was right at the beginning of his

00:48:22.340 presidency of everyone restarting the, you know, the countdown, you know, it's like

00:48:27.440 there's a construction site sign outside the white house that says X number of days since

00:48:32.740 it's an unpresidential, um, action by the president.

00:48:36.040 Right.

00:48:36.520 And that one was like, you know, all this stuff about how Donald Trump became president tonight.

00:48:41.280 Even Van Jones said it was a very forceful and good presentation.

00:48:45.100 And I don't remember what erased it, but it was a matter of days, if not hours that a tweet

00:48:49.040 or some other thing came out that just sort of took all the chips back off the table.

00:48:53.300 So again, I think, you know, I think he'll probably give a good job.

00:48:58.960 He'll, um, try to make this immigration reform thing, which my magazine supports.

00:49:03.680 I haven't made up my mind, um, into a, a bipartisan overture to the Democrats.

00:49:10.480 Um, he'll try to sound magnanimous.

00:49:12.500 He'll certainly brag about, uh, beating ISIS, which I think he should. 0.88

00:49:17.220 He'll brag about the effects of the tax cut and that's all fine and good.

00:49:20.500 I just don't know that it has much lasting power.

00:49:23.060 And I think part of the problem, you know, one of the surprises I had about the Trump

00:49:26.480 administration was that he didn't immediately go cut deals with Chuck Schumer and Nancy

00:49:31.540 Pelosi much earlier on or didn't try to.

00:49:34.980 And I think one of the reasons why is I think he personally would love to do that.

00:49:40.060 Um, I think he personally emotionally likes this idea of cutting deals.

00:49:44.240 And when working with Democrats, he knows those guys better.

00:49:46.620 He grew up around those guys.

00:49:47.540 He used to be one of those guys until fairly recently.

00:49:49.480 But part of the problem was he listened way too much to Steve Bannon at the outset.

00:49:54.660 And he, you know, it's, it's an unfair and old joke, but you know, that inaugural address

00:49:59.940 probably sounded better in the original German.

00:50:02.900 And, um, and it was this sort of, you know, blood of patriots, you know, Trieste belongs

00:50:09.960 to the Italians kind of talk.

00:50:11.700 And that was Bannon doing that.

00:50:14.080 And he fueled all of that.

00:50:15.660 And the problem was, is that Trump spent maybe the first six months of his presidency and continues

00:50:20.200 to this day doing insane things that culturally and politically make working with Trump radioactive

00:50:28.920 for Democrats, particularly the base.

00:50:30.860 And that is a, and that is one of the things that has made it very, very difficult for him

00:50:35.960 to go across the aisle.

00:50:37.280 I don't think that was Bannon's plan.

00:50:39.000 I thought Bannon, I think Bannon actually believed his own BS and thought this was the beginning

00:50:43.300 of this vast nationalist protectionist movement.

00:50:46.080 And it wasn't, but, but Trump has politically painted himself into a corner and makes it

00:50:51.440 very difficult for Democrats to work with him and very difficult for him to work with

00:50:55.600 Democrats.

00:50:56.420 Um, we're with Jonah Goldberg, uh, senior editor of the national review.

00:50:59.560 I, I, I want to ask you, Jonah, if you don't mind, I'm going to take a quick break.

00:51:02.300 And then I want to come back and talk to you a little bit about tariffs.

00:51:05.580 Um, my kids asked me about tariffs and, and why is this bad dad?

00:51:09.060 And, and how does this, how does this work?

00:51:11.060 Um, he has, he has started to move into tariffs, which anybody who is free market really, uh,

00:51:18.140 doesn't, doesn't like, and a $1.7 trillion stimulus package.

00:51:24.260 We'll get into that in a second.

00:51:31.660 We should also get an update from Jonah about his new book coming out in a couple months.

00:51:35.700 Suicide of the West, uh, how the rebirth of tribalism, populism, nationalism, and identity

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00:53:18.320 Glenn Beck.

00:53:20.240 Mercury.

00:53:25.520 Glenn Beck.

00:53:26.460 Jonah Goldberg from the National Review, a deep thinker and, uh, and a guy who just

00:53:35.340 knows what he believes and his principles and, and keeps marching forward.

00:53:40.280 A guy you can trust to have in battle with you.

00:53:43.200 Jonah, um, let's, let's talk a little bit about, you know, the washing machines in America

00:53:47.740 and why this makes a difference that there's now a tariff on it.

00:53:51.200 Yeah, I mean, I, I, I, look, I'm a free trader and I think that, that free trade, um, that,

00:54:00.900 that the protectionism being cast as a populist issue has always been a mistake, right?

00:54:07.120 I mean, the, the idea that, uh, what protectionism does is it puts bureaucrats or business people

00:54:13.860 or politicians between the consumer and the products that they want to buy.

00:54:18.900 It is elites saying, oh no, these will cost you more.

00:54:22.880 You can't get those.

00:54:24.520 You have to buy this instead.

00:54:26.380 That's not populism.

00:54:27.820 That's, you know, that's not democracy.

00:54:29.360 That's, that's elitism. 0.80

00:54:30.700 That's statism.

00:54:31.500 That's whatever you want to call it.

00:54:32.960 It is, you know, Adam Smith recognized this in the Wealth of Nations in 1776,

00:54:37.800 that businessmen are always trying to get an advantage over, um, the public by conspiring

00:54:43.820 to raise prices.

00:54:44.980 And those kinds of conspiracies are almost impossible to stop, but, um, uh, but they can

00:54:51.380 only be effective and really damaging if the government gets involved.

00:54:56.300 And, um, you know, I wrote, as you know, you know, I wrote this book, you know, called

00:54:59.980 liberal fascism, which got into fascist economics.

00:55:02.160 And so much of that is about the government getting in between the producers and the consumers

00:55:09.100 and deciding and picking winners and losers.

00:55:11.920 And that's what protectionism is.

00:55:13.940 And so I get, you know, there are, there are at the margins, good arguments for the government,

00:55:23.780 you know, retaliating against governments that are betraying trade deals, right?

00:55:28.280 I mean, you don't have to be a thousand percent purist.

00:55:30.640 My colleague, Kevin Williamson at national review, just basically says, um, we should

00:55:36.040 have a constitutional amendment that says there shall be no tariffs or, or, or limits on trade

00:55:41.800 of any kind.

00:55:43.160 Um, I'm not sure that I am there.

00:55:45.260 You can make some arguments for national security stuff and all the rest, but as a general principle,

00:55:50.400 protectionism boils down to the government picking winners and losers among a certain set

00:55:56.760 of producers of certain menu or manufacturers of certain goods and saying, we're going to

00:56:02.000 help you out and conspire against the public to set prices higher than what they should

00:56:07.140 be.

00:56:07.400 And I, I think it always, if left to run rampant, always leads to a terrible place.

00:56:12.920 Jonah, isn't it something too, because we, we as conservatives have talked for many years

00:56:16.840 about opposing the redistribution of wealth.

00:56:19.620 And if you follow the line of what a tariff purports to do with these, with the washing

00:56:24.660 machines, for example, we're going to charge an extra 50 or a hundred dollars on every washing

00:56:29.480 machine is going to cost people more money.

00:56:31.060 And that money is somehow going to be filtered through the system and eventually get to create

00:56:35.960 a certain amount of jobs.

00:56:37.540 So you're essentially taking 50 or a hundred dollars from the average person buying a washing

00:56:42.400 machine.

00:56:42.700 And you're funneling that money to some worker in some city who's going to make $50,000 or

00:56:48.180 $60,000 on all those little groupings of $50.

00:56:51.660 I know it's not that pure, but I mean, that is essentially just redistribution of wealth,

00:56:55.340 which is something we're supposed to be opposed to.

00:56:57.340 No, that's exactly right.

00:56:58.160 And it sort of gets at why I, I honestly and truly believe there should be a 0% corporate

00:57:03.320 tax rate because no economist, economists cannot for the life of them come to a consensus on

00:57:09.180 who pays it, you know, when we go on corporate taxes.

00:57:12.900 But one thing they're sure is that the consumer pays most of it, right?

00:57:17.680 I mean, it's not like GE pays the, you know, takes the corporate tax rate of its corporate

00:57:25.680 tax payments out of some special kitty that is just, you know, fat cat price, right?

00:57:31.880 It comes, it comes with the price of the widgets that they sell.

00:57:34.680 And same thing with Coca-Cola or any of these companies.

00:57:39.000 And so the idea that, and the same thing goes with protectionism.

00:57:42.220 There's this idea that somehow the government knows better how to organize a society.

00:57:46.660 Right now, there's this movement afoot for a couple dragging steel makers to basically

00:57:50.480 take over the issue of steel trade, steel imports in this country.

00:57:54.680 And what always gets left out of this is that there are a lot of manufacturers in the United

00:58:00.540 States that need cheap steel to make the other stuff that we want to be manufacturing here.

00:58:06.280 It's really amazing how much we're repeating from the Great Depression on letting these giant

00:58:13.020 companies steer the policy of the United States, which will hurt all of the smaller companies.

00:58:19.700 It's, it's, I mean, it's a direct repeat in many ways from the 1930s.

00:58:25.240 Yeah.

00:58:25.740 I mean, every big, you know, one of my greatest pet peeves is this mythology that big corporations

00:58:31.280 are quote unquote right wing, right?

00:58:33.660 We know that they're not on cultural issues.

00:58:35.840 You know, big Fortune 500 companies were way ahead of the curve on things like gay marriage

00:58:39.700 and all sorts of other things.

00:58:40.780 I'm not criticizing them for it.

00:58:41.860 I'm just saying that they're not these sort of Thomas Nash cartoons, bastions of like reaction

00:58:46.760 or anything.

00:58:47.200 That Marxist stuff is over.

00:58:49.460 And when it comes to like economic conservatism, they're for every regulation that hurts their

00:58:56.880 competitors and helps them.

00:58:58.520 They're for free trade for me, but not for thee or the other way around.

00:59:01.980 They look at their bottom lines as sort of rent seeking entities from the government.

00:59:07.200 So go ahead.

00:59:08.680 I just, I need to stop you.

00:59:10.400 So we're going to break and I want, I want to take you to another place.

00:59:13.820 It was announced today that Amazon is partnering with Warren Buffett and JP Morgan Chase to

00:59:20.580 go into the health care insurance business.

00:59:23.060 But how Warren Buffett described it is astounding.

00:59:28.640 We'll get to that next with Jonah Goldberg.

00:59:31.420 Glenn Beck.

00:59:33.160 Mercury.

00:59:37.100 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:59:38.840 So earlier today, in fact, it did sent some health care stocks tumbling before the opening

00:59:45.220 of the stock market today.

00:59:48.060 Amazon, Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway and JP Morgan Chase announced that they are

00:59:54.740 exploring the option of getting into the health care business, the health insurance business.

01:00:01.780 Warren Buffett said the ballooning costs of health care act as a hungry tapeworm on the

01:00:05.600 American economy.

01:00:07.680 We share the belief that putting our collective resources behind a company's best talent can

01:00:11.060 in time check the rise of health care costs while concurrently enhancing patient satisfaction

01:00:15.580 and outcomes.

01:00:16.420 Here's the strange line in this.

01:00:20.180 The company will be free from profit making incentives and constraints, end quote.

01:00:27.060 Jonah Goldberg from the National Review.

01:00:29.540 What kind of what?

01:00:31.220 How does that work?

01:00:32.500 I don't I don't know how that works.

01:00:36.680 I don't really see it clearly either.

01:00:40.540 I mean, to me, it's and I haven't studied up on it, but I mean, it sounds to me sort of

01:00:46.060 the equivalent of what Google does, where it provides, you know, free dry cleaning and,

01:00:55.000 you know, free cafeterias and free food and all that kind of stuff.

01:00:59.980 And the and it's all heavily subsidized and doesn't make an enormous, it doesn't make

01:01:05.440 a profit of any kind, but it retains talent.

01:01:08.800 And so maybe this is just an effort to create something that, you know, isn't necessarily

01:01:15.240 seen as a profit center, but it is seen as a very useful sort of retention center.

01:01:20.660 The health costs are eating up a lot of big businesses.

01:01:25.160 And, you know, so could it be like reducing costs isn't the same thing as increasing profits,

01:01:29.700 but in a certain kind of accounting way, it kind of is right.

01:01:33.060 Right.

01:01:33.320 So, I mean, but I mean, I'm trying to read it.

01:01:35.460 Would you have to be a member of the bank and do everything with Amazon or I mean, I don't

01:01:41.760 know.

01:01:42.380 I don't quite get it either.

01:01:43.720 I mean, I think what they want, first of all, I think part of them is and Warren Buffett

01:01:48.840 is very good at this stuff.

01:01:49.840 And so is Jeff Bezos.

01:01:51.040 They want, and so is Jamie Dimon.

01:01:52.840 They want to sound as altruistic as possible.

01:01:57.000 Yes.

01:01:57.180 And so, you know, it's sort of like the old cliche about how if someone says it's not

01:02:03.000 about the money, it's about the money.

01:02:05.120 If these guys are saying, I don't trust these guys to say it's not really about the profits.

01:02:09.340 You can't be the two of the three richest people on the planet and not have some concern

01:02:15.480 about profit.

01:02:18.280 Well, you know, you've also left out the nation's largest bank.

01:02:22.480 Yeah, no, they're not too, you know, except for that, Mrs. Lincoln. 0.71

01:02:25.780 Right.

01:02:26.020 Um, yeah, so it's, it's, it's a weird thing, you know, and I'm not saying it's impossible

01:02:31.520 for them to be altruistic.

01:02:32.880 You drive around this country and you look at all the libraries named after Gettys and

01:02:37.060 Mellon, you know, those guys, you could, there's a lot of that possibility, but that

01:02:40.780 doesn't sound like this.

01:02:42.480 This sounds like a very clever PR spin on maybe something that's very smart that will undermine

01:02:48.700 CVS and UnitedHealth and some of these other, you know, tech, you know, medical healthcare

01:02:53.700 giants.

01:02:54.180 And frankly, they all need to be disrupted and undermined because the healthcare sector

01:02:58.180 just doesn't work.

01:02:59.420 Yeah.

01:02:59.680 All right.

01:03:00.080 Let me, let me change the subjects because we have the president's state of the unit address

01:03:03.820 and I, I have a feeling he's going to be, you know, announcing his $1.7 trillion stimulus

01:03:09.500 package.

01:03:10.680 Conservatives freaked out at 787.

01:03:12.680 I mean, I can remember the number, $787, $787 billion.

01:03:17.560 We thought that was outrageous.

01:03:19.380 Now it's somewhere between 1.5 and 1.7 on a stimulus package.

01:03:24.940 That comes the same week that somebody advised the president that we should be building, the

01:03:29.720 government should be building the 5G network.

01:03:32.600 Thank God for Ajit Pai from the FCC and the other, both Republicans and Democrats on the

01:03:38.560 FCC said, no, we don't have any place doing that.

01:03:43.160 Who's advising the president right now on some of these things?

01:03:47.360 And do you see us being able to affect this out of control spending and kind of, you know,

01:03:58.560 adoption of let the state take this business on attitude?

01:04:04.520 Well, you know, this is not gonna make me popular with anybody, but I think one of the

01:04:08.640 things that has been remarkable about the Trump presidency so far is how well under incredibly

01:04:14.380 trying circumstances, the institutions, particularly, you know, the House and the Senate and the

01:04:22.860 establishment generally, including in his own administration, has been able to manage and

01:04:27.640 direct the Trump presidency from some of Trump's worst instincts. And, you know, I think Trump

01:04:33.860 probably wanted to do infrastructure day one. He wanted tariffs day one. You know, he wanted all

01:04:38.160 sorts of things day one that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell said no to. But,

01:04:43.400 or sort of engineered the system to make impossible. And the problem is, is all they were really doing

01:04:51.300 was kicking the can down the road. There are very few things that constitute core ideological beliefs

01:04:58.760 of Donald Trump. One of them is protectionism. Another one is this infrastructure stuff. And he still

01:05:04.940 has this belief, which, you know, Bannon had to, that spending hugely on infrastructure can buy

01:05:10.800 democratic support. Um, I don't think that's necessarily true anymore. I think it would have

01:05:17.300 been true at the beginning of his presidency, but he didn't go that way. Um, in terms of the more

01:05:22.720 dismaying, you know, sort of ideological corruption of the GOP to supporting this stuff, I find it

01:05:29.260 repugnant. You know, I mean, I, the, the, I, if you honestly believe in protectionism and if you

01:05:35.160 honestly believe in massive, you know, Keynesian economic spending, where you just give the

01:05:40.920 economy, this huge sugar rush and of all that kind of stuff, you believe that stuff, you haven't,

01:05:44.900 is there a reason for you to go out there and advocate for it? But there are so many people,

01:05:50.440 I know personally, who don't believe this stuff and who have suddenly changed to endorsing or didn't

01:05:57.840 believe this stuff, but suddenly endorse it because Donald Trump likes it. Now it is possible that some of

01:06:04.560 these politicians in closed rooms have been ensorcelled by Donald Trump's Aristotelian gift

01:06:11.720 for persuasion and rhetoric and explain to them that protectionism is better. But I don't think

01:06:16.920 that's really the case. I think this is purely an example of power corrupting people, people sucking 0.89

01:06:21.780 up to power of bending and, and, and, and jettisoning their principles in order to be in the good

01:06:27.380 graces of, of the ruler. And it's very, very sad. And the GOP, to the extent it's going to be a

01:06:33.900 conservative party, free market party going into the future is going to spend decades cleaning up

01:06:38.580 this mess.

01:06:39.560 Jonah, could I, could I ask you to come back some point and, and just tell me what it was like

01:06:45.800 growing up in your home? I mean, your, your, your dad, you just released one of your dad's

01:06:52.000 writings. Um, uh, your dad, uh, wrote for the wall street journal. So he was, you know, you grew up

01:06:58.720 around a guy who was in, um, and in and around these circles and monitoring them. Uh, you know,

01:07:06.160 since you were, you were little, your, your mother was the one who told Monica Lewinsky, save the dress

01:07:13.120 and, uh, and make a tape to, to not, not, not Monica Lewinsky, but, uh, Linda Tripp. I mean,

01:07:19.920 that's, I can't even imagine. I know my experience of, of, you know, just that one event. I can't

01:07:27.920 imagine that my mother was involved in any way or not. How, how this just affected you?

01:07:35.400 Well, I, I, you forget that when my mom, when I was a little, little kid, my mom was in a scandal

01:07:40.540 with the Nixon administration, um, which we can get into some other time, but yeah, no, I, look, I,

01:07:45.340 I, I had a strange childhood and, um, you know, and I'm not, I'm not your typical pseudo intellectual

01:07:53.400 Demi Jew from the upper West side of Manhattan. And, um, um, and, uh, it's, you know, but I'm very

01:08:00.820 grateful to my parents for, you know, the sort of weird, goofy, strange upbringing that they, um,

01:08:06.240 they gave me, you know, my dad's idea of, my dad was your classic sort of Jewish intellectual.

01:08:12.200 And his idea of a vacation was either going to the other side of the couch to read a different

01:08:18.660 magazine, um, or book or going to Europe and looking at museums or going on long walks with

01:08:25.980 his sons to explain to them why Stalin was really, really bad. And, um, you know, that was sort of my,

01:08:32.660 you know, I got most of my education from my dad. Did you, did you ever kind of roll your eyes?

01:08:37.320 I mean, cause every child goes through a period where you're like, oh geez, and they're going on

01:08:41.040 about this again. Do you ever roll your eyes on that Stalin stuff? Or did you, did you buy it

01:08:45.640 the whole time? Well, I mean, it was, it was a lot of it was sort of like in Karate Kid where Ralph

01:08:52.500 Macchio doesn't know why he's waxing on and waxing off and, and paint the fence up and down, up and down. 0.90

01:08:58.100 And then all of a sudden, sort of my late teens, I kind of discovered, holy crap. I know a lot more

01:09:05.140 about this stuff than everybody else in this room. And to me, it was just my dad talking,

01:09:09.920 you know, and it was, you know, I used to tell people that, you know, uh, one of my earlier

01:09:14.740 memories is of my dad pushing me on a swing, explaining how the Yugoslavian black hand was

01:09:19.480 the first modern territory. And, um, one time I wrote about this in a eulogy I wrote to my dad,

01:09:26.740 where we're walking down the street, going to get bagels on a Sunday morning. I couldn't have

01:09:31.400 been older than seven, maybe, maybe eight. And all of a sudden my dad stopped dead in the middle

01:09:37.340 of the sidewalk, squeezed my hand really hard and said to me, totally straight faced, Jonah,

01:09:42.580 if you were ever pulled over in a South American country, tell the officer, I'm so sorry. Is there

01:09:50.220 any way I can pay the fine right here? If you don't want to go down to the jail? And then we

01:09:57.500 went back to walking. Okay, daddy. He was a, he was a strange, he was a peculiar duck, as he liked to

01:10:05.080 say. And, um, who did you get the, who'd you get your sense of humor from mom or dad? Um, the dry

01:10:11.140 stuff I get from my dad, uh, the, uh, the more gonzo crazy, uh, uh, stuff I get from my mom.

01:10:20.460 So the more dry stuff, you're implying that there is a shot that maybe your dad was joking

01:10:27.180 about the, you know, South American police officers?

01:10:31.660 Unclear. He just thought that kind of stuff was, it amused him to say it, but he almost never broke

01:10:37.440 character. I mean, I'll give you another example. Again, I wrote about it in the eulogy. When I was

01:10:40.800 a teenager, I accident, long story short, I accidentally rubbed some hot sauce in my eye

01:10:44.720 and again, running into the bathroom to wash, wash out my eye. And I'm like tearing up and it stinks,

01:10:49.540 whatever. My dad walks by bathroom doors open. He walks in and he says, what happened? And I'm like

01:10:55.360 blubbering. Ah, I got hot sauce in my eye. Ah, I was eating, you know, cheese and crackers. And I,

01:11:00.400 like, ah, and he just deadpan says, damn it. I wish I had told you not to rub hot sauce in your 0.99

01:11:09.100 eyes. And he walks out of the room.

01:11:13.900 Jonah Goldberg. Uh, you can, uh, you can follow him at, uh, the national review online. Uh, I,

01:11:21.620 I follow his Twitter page.

01:11:23.500 Yeah. At Jonah NRO. I'm very now concerned that I'm doing a terrible job as a parent. I have not

01:11:27.380 told my kids to not put hot sauce in their eyes or what to do when they get arrested

01:11:30.720 in a, uh, South American country. Uh, but I guess I'll have a couple of years to get to that. Uh,

01:11:35.560 a couple of things for, from Jonah. Uh, that the, we have to talk to him about this too,

01:11:39.460 man. We just have so much to talk about his new book. Is Jonah still on the line? Jonah.

01:11:44.280 Yeah. Can you give us a highlight of your new book? When's it come out?

01:11:47.940 Oh, it doesn't come out till, uh, April. And, uh, it's going to be, it's sort of a,

01:11:53.180 for some people I try to explain it as kind of like a prequel to liberal fascism. And, um, it

01:11:59.200 explains where our, our, where the greatness of Western civilization and the greatness of America

01:12:05.140 comes from and how our decline is a choice and how the greatest, greatest threat to America and

01:12:12.260 the West is the pervasive ingratitude to how good we have it and how we got here. And it starts, I mean,

01:12:19.020 the, the table starts about 250,000 years ago and goes through the invention of how, how we got

01:12:24.560 capitalism, how we got democracy all the way up to the present day. So it's a, it's a big book and

01:12:29.720 I'm, I'm, I'm pretty proud of it. So in the name of it is the suicide of the Western, the suicide of

01:12:37.220 the West, which is a somewhat of an homage to a famous conservative intellectual named James Burnham

01:12:42.780 wrote a book by the same name. And I think 1964, I want to say. Um, and, uh, and it covers some of

01:12:52.060 that ground, but gets into a lot of economic theory and I think is pretty readable. And even if you

01:12:58.260 disagree with some of my points, I think there's just a lot of interesting, fun stuff in there.

01:13:02.400 So, John, thanks so much. Appreciate it.

01:13:04.060 Hey, thanks. Thank you guys.

01:13:05.580 Bye-bye.

01:13:06.340 He doesn't sound like he, he's like his dad at all going to the other side of the couch for

01:13:09.920 another book. No, no, not at all. You know, it starts 25,000 years ago and, uh, oh, okay. So

01:13:17.000 it's simple. That's a good thing about, cause I mean, liberal fascism is not a simple topic at all,

01:13:23.160 but it's so readable. So I love Jonah. He's funny. He is, he, he finds a way to distill it. I mean,

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01:15:03.000 became Kleenex. We, everyone called it Kleenex. Tivo was like that. The DVR was just a Tivo for a long

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01:16:16.280 RX.com promo code radio. It's use wax RX.com. Glenn Beck. Just love Jonah Goldberg. Um, we have

01:16:25.780 to have him back. You know, we just looked up his mom was part of, uh, Nixon got in trouble 0.78

01:16:30.800 with Nixon. Yeah. I mean, her testimony at Watergate because of what she was doing, she 0.92

01:16:36.800 was spying on McGovern. Um, she, her testimony was part of it right there at the end that led

01:16:44.120 to his resignation. So she was involved with Linda Tripp and the blue dress and Watergate. 0.85

01:16:52.080 And she worked for the, the, uh, Kennedy administration and the Johnson administration.

01:16:58.100 It's a crazy, holy cow, really interesting. That would, that would be a great conversation

01:17:02.880 with him, uh, to talk about that. Yeah. Just parents. That's an interesting conversation

01:17:07.560 with everybody, isn't it? I think so. To see what, not only what you take away from your

01:17:11.800 parents, but also just the life they lived and how it influenced you. Sometimes it's

01:17:15.620 not, it's not the straight advice like Jonah was talking about. It's just something that

01:17:18.780 they did that you noticed that changed the way you thought about something. I think that's

01:17:22.160 more than almost anything I learned from my dad. It was just watching him, you know? Uh,

01:17:28.820 and, and it's, it's interesting. It would be really interesting to track, to do an interview

01:17:32.820 with people about their mom and dad when they're teenagers, uh, or when they're before they,

01:17:39.080 when they still think mom and dad can fly, then teenagers, when they think they're the worst

01:17:43.580 in their twenties, thirties, and then fifties. Cause my parents, the image of my parents has changed

01:17:51.260 so many times in my mind because I understand them at my age every step of the way.

01:17:58.820 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

01:18:16.520 Love, courage, truth. Glenn Beck.

01:18:23.100 At five months in the womb, babies have 10 fingers and 10 toes. They can yawn,

01:18:27.420 they can stretch and they do, but they also feel pain. Now, despite the scientific fact,

01:18:33.420 the Senate voted against the pain capable unborn child protection act, which would ban late term

01:18:40.480 abortions on babies at 20 weeks. 46 out of 97 senators decided they want to continue the debate

01:18:48.840 rather than pass the bill. Now, it's not a perfect bill. Still allows babies conceived by rape or incest

01:18:57.560 to be aborted. And it draws a hard line at 20 weeks. The question is, so does that mean that a baby

01:19:05.120 that is 19 weeks and six days old, do they not feel pain? And I hate to get here because I, this is just so dicey.

01:19:15.620 A baby conceived of rape, through rape. Does that baby not feel pain? 0.98

01:19:24.580 Even if there is a point where a baby doesn't feel pain, does it mean it's okay to kill a baby?

01:19:35.620 I'm not proposing answers. I'm just saying we have to think about this.

01:19:42.540 Just because it doesn't hurt, is it okay to take that life?

01:19:47.660 No, it's really not.

01:19:50.520 We shouldn't be dismembering and doing the things we do to babies in abortion clinics.

01:19:56.880 Abortion is and always will be hideous and barbaric. No matter what gestation period, you know, it occurs or how that baby came to be, it's just barbaric.

01:20:10.900 As a society, we really need to have a decent conversation with each other.

01:20:17.560 We need to be able to stop just yelling names and, you know, throwing blood on each other one way or the other

01:20:26.480 and just sit down and just talk about children.

01:20:30.920 This bill was a step in the right direction.

01:20:33.200 It shows a glimmer of hope that maybe we're beginning to realize the sheer horror and murder of abortion.

01:20:41.020 I know this.

01:20:43.760 History will judge us.

01:20:45.100 There will be people that will say in a hundred years,

01:20:50.180 you know, if I were alive then, I would have stopped abortion.

01:20:53.140 I can't believe it. 0.60

01:20:54.340 These people were monsters and I'm not a monster like that.

01:20:58.380 Just like we now say,

01:21:00.760 if I were alive during the slave trade, I would have stopped it because those people were monsters and I'm not a monster.

01:21:08.280 However, and yet we refuse to look at the numbers that there are more slaves today than all of the English slave trade combined.

01:21:18.580 All 400 years combined.

01:21:20.260 More slaves today.

01:21:21.540 But we're not doing anything about it.

01:21:22.780 We just have to look at these issues because once you really look at it and once you have to say out loud,

01:21:32.900 yes, that is a baby, then the next thing you have to look at is do we kill it or not?

01:21:38.020 Humanity is going to realize what an atrocity this is and that realization will serve as a gruesome blemish on our history.

01:21:50.800 I pray that we open our eyes sooner rather than later.

01:22:05.560 It's Tuesday, January 30th.

01:22:08.160 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:22:10.400 All right.

01:22:10.940 Speaker Paul Ryan has just held a press conference.

01:22:14.400 He was asked about the Republican memo that Congress voted to release last night.

01:22:18.700 And here's what he said.

01:22:22.640 Point number three.

01:22:24.200 There may have been malfeasance by people at the FBI.

01:22:27.320 And let me just let me finish my points.

01:22:29.660 There may have been malfeasance at the FBI by certain individuals.

01:22:34.040 So it is our job in conducting transparent oversight of the lead of the executive branch to get to the bottom of that.

01:22:41.200 Sunshine is the best disinfected.

01:22:42.700 And so what we want is all of this information to come out so that transparency can reign supreme.

01:22:48.700 And accountability can occur.

01:22:54.060 My only problem with this is I completely agree. 0.98

01:22:57.700 I completely agree with what he said, except that's why we want this to come out.

01:23:02.100 No.

01:23:02.700 If you are doing a murder trial, you don't necessarily bring out half of the facts in the middle. 0.68

01:23:09.680 Because maybe some of your sources, maybe some of the leads dry up because, oh, crap, they're on to us.

01:23:16.640 You don't do that.

01:23:18.240 And that's the biggest problem that I have with this is why are we doing this?

01:23:24.060 I don't want to win.

01:23:26.660 Again, I want this problem solved.

01:23:30.080 I want to know what the truth is.

01:23:32.300 And I want the bad guys.

01:23:33.680 And I don't care who they are.

01:23:34.980 I want them to go to jail.

01:23:36.880 I personally believe, a lot of people don't, I personally believe there's a real problem in the Justice Department.

01:23:42.760 And it doesn't come as a surprise to anybody who didn't wholly trust Eric Holder.

01:23:49.380 Are you telling me that the Justice Department was left in the same condition that he found it in?

01:23:54.360 And what was the condition he found it in?

01:23:56.880 Why do we accept that this kind of corruption was not only done, but done at vast levels in the 1970s under Nixon,

01:24:08.840 but now suddenly we don't really have to look into any of this because it could never happen.

01:24:14.060 Of course, it already has happened.

01:24:16.180 It will happen again over and over again the minute we start to trust everyone and say,

01:24:21.280 ah, you know what, we're not really looking.

01:24:24.400 People go corrupt.

01:24:25.480 That's just the way it is.

01:24:27.680 I don't want the details now because I need them.

01:24:31.260 What good is this going to do?

01:24:33.440 Because here's what's going to happen.

01:24:34.720 Let's say that there's testimony in this document that there was malfeasance,

01:24:43.480 which can you define because nobody ever says, you know, my friend,

01:24:47.300 boy, there was some malfeasance going on there.

01:24:49.020 That's a legal term.

01:24:51.720 Right.

01:24:52.840 So definition of malfeasance,

01:24:55.480 is intentional conduct that is wrongful or unlawful, especially by officials or public employees.

01:25:02.600 So that's a pretty direct charge there.

01:25:06.900 Okay.

01:25:07.280 So, but no, it's not.

01:25:09.180 It's not.

01:25:09.740 He says there's malfeasance, which is wrongful or unlawful.

01:25:15.600 Well, I want to know what the wrongful stuff is, but the wrongful stuff does not lead to an indictment of people going to jail.

01:25:23.940 It might.

01:25:24.300 It could.

01:25:26.300 It could.

01:25:27.300 The unlawful definitely does.

01:25:29.480 Because there's sort of a scale here.

01:25:31.200 There is misfeasance, which is conduct that is lawful but inappropriate.

01:25:37.240 So you're on the right side of the law, but you did something you shouldn't have done.

01:25:39.640 Okay.

01:25:39.940 Then there is nonfeasance, which is failure to act where there was a duty to act.

01:25:46.760 So you didn't step in when you should have.

01:25:49.560 Okay.

01:25:50.220 Then there's malfeasance, which is intentional, which is a pretty big word.

01:25:54.360 Intentional conduct that is wrongful or unlawful.

01:25:56.720 It kind of goes against the general description.

01:26:00.740 When you get down to it, there's, you know, there's, you know, first degree, second degree, third degree.

01:26:05.960 You know, it's not good.

01:26:07.960 I think you're right in that there's still a little wiggle room built into that.

01:26:11.220 Yeah.

01:26:11.520 However, it is, you know, it's a fairly serious charge if he's using the legal definition.

01:26:15.720 Now, he could just be using it as a word and we don't know, but it seems intentional.

01:26:19.960 And he used the word may.

01:26:22.580 May have been malfeasance.

01:26:25.060 Okay.

01:26:26.480 Let's find out if there is.

01:26:28.740 Let's find out if there is.

01:26:29.800 This document being released now, what does it do?

01:26:33.780 I can tell you that there are many conservatives that are very concerned.

01:26:37.880 It actually forces the people that they were working with to get information on the FBI and on Russia and everything else.

01:26:46.200 It will force them back into the dark because they're not going to, I don't want to talk about this.

01:26:50.900 Uh-uh.

01:26:51.820 So by releasing this, it could hurt the investigation.

01:26:55.260 It could also hurt any kind of legal proceedings going forward.

01:27:00.040 That's not good.

01:27:01.480 Yeah.

01:27:02.060 It's not good.

01:27:02.980 And hang on just a sec.

01:27:04.600 For what purpose, Stu?

01:27:06.040 I think it's just so we can have an arguing point.

01:27:09.200 Right.

01:27:09.640 And there's a pushback point.

01:27:11.480 I think that's where it comes from, right?

01:27:12.940 You want to be, you know, people have been beating up the administration on Russia for all this time.

01:27:18.320 And, you know, Republicans have pushed back and said there's been some questionable activity at the FBI and these other organizations.

01:27:24.660 And here's some supporting evidence for it.

01:27:26.660 I think that's the basic.

01:27:27.960 There's no other reason.

01:27:29.280 I mean, we do need to hear it eventually.

01:27:30.740 But there's no reason we need to hear it in the middle of the investigation.

01:27:34.380 Well, I guess if you do, I mean, you know, I'm just trying to think of it now from the Republican point of view.

01:27:38.340 If you're looking at it from purely political.

01:27:40.660 Right.

01:27:40.700 You have 2018 coming up.

01:27:41.920 Yeah, I understand it.

01:27:42.860 And if you don't offer any kind of defense, you know, if you're just quiet, it's not going to help.

01:27:48.140 You have to do that.

01:27:48.720 And this thing's going to go on for another two years.

01:27:50.400 You're probably right.

01:27:51.720 So, you know, that's sort of a big point.

01:27:54.420 And I guess I can understand that.

01:27:56.080 We should also point out, because obviously we, you know, we have a lot of, you know, I wouldn't say we have a lot of friends in Washington or anywhere.

01:28:04.640 I was going to say, I don't know if we have any friends in Washington.

01:28:06.660 But it's important to note, I think, for the audience who might think, okay, oh, those guys are anti-Trump.

01:28:11.220 Of course, they're hearing from conservatives and Republicans.

01:28:13.420 No, no, no.

01:28:13.700 We're hearing from them.

01:28:14.240 This is actually, these people that we've heard from are pro-Trump people.

01:28:17.820 Yeah.

01:28:17.960 They just don't like, they're concerned about this investigation.

01:28:22.740 Because they do believe, as I do, there is something there.

01:28:26.020 Right.

01:28:26.400 There is there there.

01:28:27.940 Now, the press is saying there's not.

01:28:30.140 I believe there is.

01:28:31.660 But we won't know.

01:28:33.120 And anything that hurts that investigation in the long term, we shouldn't be doing.

01:28:39.020 We shouldn't be doing.

01:28:39.840 Because the underlying point here is more important than the political squabble that will play out even to the election.

01:28:47.040 The idea that, you know, we have an act, we have a, the second most powerful or third most powerful country in the world who is, who has conducted what I would say are acts of war against this country.

01:29:00.240 This is not, it's not something you normally get away with.

01:29:03.400 You're influencing and trying to manipulate another country's election.

01:29:07.400 This entire investigation.

01:29:09.140 And if we had this on the Soviet Union when I was growing up, Reagan would have, he might have gone to war over this.

01:29:16.680 Yeah.

01:29:17.040 It's that, it's that big.

01:29:18.520 It would have been, it would have been a very scary period.

01:29:21.080 Add into that.

01:29:21.760 Again, even if you don't care about the Russia part, which is hard for me to understand because this is not, it's not a, it's not an anti-Trump thing.

01:29:27.700 Again, political nonsense has brought that into, is Trump bad or good?

01:29:31.260 Which is not the question I want answered.

01:29:33.260 The question I want answered is, is about what, what Russia did exactly and how do we stop it? 0.70

01:29:37.880 But the same thing applies to the FBI.

01:29:39.720 Again, this comes down to, is the FBI good or bad or is Trump good or bad?

01:29:44.780 And again, that's all sort of a distraction.

01:29:46.360 We all know that the, there are a lot of people in the FBI who are good.

01:29:50.300 There are a lot of people in the intelligence community that are good.

01:29:53.220 But if we have a problem that is a little bit above a couple of bad apples who are acting with their own political sort of ideology and letting that affect their work, it's a huge problem.

01:30:06.080 It's a huge problem.

01:30:06.680 It will affect you eventually.

01:30:08.860 Exactly.

01:30:09.440 It's important.

01:30:10.020 It's, it's, it's, it's so frustrating because for instance, the, the FISA memo, all right, I don't believe in secret courts.

01:30:18.260 I just don't believe that we should have a FISA court.

01:30:21.200 I'm sorry.

01:30:22.240 No secret courts.

01:30:23.320 It's, it's, it's, it's, uh, what extra constitutional.

01:30:26.980 It's outside of the constitution.

01:30:29.300 You don't do it.

01:30:30.680 How, how would you, how would you investigate something?

01:30:34.240 Exactly the way we do all of it.

01:30:35.880 You go to a court, you go to a court and you're quiet about it and you don't have to have the newspaper there.

01:30:42.140 You know, we did, we did it with John Gotti.

01:30:44.500 It wasn't in the paper.

01:30:45.940 Happens all the time.

01:30:46.700 Happens all the time.

01:30:47.560 Criminal law.

01:30:48.140 You go, but you have, what, what FISA was, I need extra latitude.

01:30:53.420 So the standards are lower and it's all secret.

01:30:57.660 I don't believe in the FISA court at all.

01:31:00.260 With that being said, what we're talking about here is, is what evidence did they give the FISA court?

01:31:10.440 If the, and what did they do with it?

01:31:12.420 If the FBI went and took a dossier, which they're used to seeing, and they took it from, uh, from Steele and they look at it and they say, holy cow, look at these charges.

01:31:26.780 That of course happened.

01:31:28.060 Now, did someone at the FBI say, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

01:31:33.820 Where did he get this?

01:31:35.380 Well, he got it from Steele.

01:31:36.960 He's a former MI6.

01:31:38.340 He's very, he's worked with us before.

01:31:40.020 He's very buttoned up.

01:31:41.480 Okay, great.

01:31:42.500 Where did he get this information?

01:31:45.160 Specifically, this one, this one, and this one.

01:31:49.220 Where did he get those?

01:31:51.080 Chase down his sources.

01:31:52.780 Talk to him.

01:31:53.480 Well, I don't know.

01:31:56.540 I mean, uh, director, if, if this is going on, uh, he's going to be the president in four months.

01:32:02.380 Great.

01:32:03.120 I'll talk to FISA and I will tell them that we need to act because we think this is a trusted source.

01:32:11.860 And we now, because of the Patriot Act, have that ability to just go, we think it's a trusted source.

01:32:20.060 We need to make sure that there is no connection to Russia for the next president of the United States or that he's not being set up and going to be blackmailed.

01:32:28.000 We need to protect the president of the United States.

01:32:30.320 One way or another, we have to act on this information, but at the same time, track all this down, find out because we are already doing investigations on Russia.

01:32:41.140 And I have a feeling all of this came from Russia.

01:32:44.200 So this may also be evidence that Russia is, is doing everything they can to destroy our election process. 0.82

01:32:52.540 If they had that conversation, is that wrong?

01:33:00.040 If the Muslim Brotherhood brought George Bush information, which he did, you know, on September 8th and said, Al Qaeda is going to blow up, uh, the, um, uh, the World Trade Center.

01:33:14.980 Would you say, well, we can't use that information because it was all funded by Muslim Brotherhood. 0.96

01:33:22.540 Now, if we went on a jihad ourself on September 9th and we said, we're going to get Al Qaeda, we're going to wiretap them.

01:33:33.500 We're going to, because we know they're going to take down, uh, the World Trade Center.

01:33:40.520 That would be wholly irresponsible.

01:33:43.380 They should do both.

01:33:45.040 They should immediately do everything they can to follow that information, to find out it's right,

01:33:50.140 because it's coming from the Muslim Brotherhood.

01:33:54.580 But there's also pressure.

01:33:56.500 It's September 11th is go date.

01:33:59.060 Also, wiretap.

01:34:00.580 Listen, find out.

01:34:01.700 Is there anything we can do to stop this?

01:34:03.840 Find out if it's true.

01:34:05.840 But on the other hand, proceed as if it is because we have a time pressure.

01:34:10.720 That's totally reasonable.

01:34:11.900 It's reasonable, but dangerous because very dangerous.

01:34:14.960 That's why you shouldn't have the Patriot Act in the first place.

01:34:18.000 Yeah, it's dangerous because it sets, if that precedent is okay, the idea that a sitting president with all that power can utilize it based on essentially opposition research is very concerning.

01:34:30.000 Because, you know, and I love that the Democrats don't see any problem with this, because if you're allowed to do this as president, what do you think Trump's going to do?

01:34:38.380 Right? 0.96

01:34:38.740 Like, I'm saying from a Democrat perspective, if you are, you think Trump is, again, this evil fascist that wants to just, you know, who hates every race and is the worst person in the world. 0.97

01:34:48.460 Well, if you believe that, why on earth would you want this to be a power that the president had? 0.89

01:34:56.640 I mean, because in your mind, surely Donald Trump is going to use these tools the same way or worse than Barack Obama did.

01:35:03.740 So you better find out what these things are and stop that power before it's able to be utilized by your enemies.

01:35:09.420 As I said earlier today, justice must be blind.

01:35:12.520 It might be under the executive branch, but it cannot be a tool of the executive branch, no matter who the executive is.

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01:36:53.720 So news for the Cleveland Indians.

01:37:10.880 I mean, not the team, but the Indians in Cleveland.

01:37:14.840 They're going to be very, very happy because the offensive Cleveland Indian logo is going away.

01:37:19.740 Yeah, Chief Wahoo, no longer going to be on the uniforms of the Cleveland Indians starting in 2019.

01:37:25.400 So it's going to take, they're going to take a year or two.

01:37:27.280 So I haven't really heard about the big Indian protests on this.

01:37:31.120 Yeah, I mean, you know, like it was a cartoon that was going to draw a big smiley face to Indian. 1.00

01:37:35.640 No, I'm aware of it, but I'm not aware of the big Indian or Native American pushback.

01:37:43.240 There's some activists that don't like it.

01:37:44.700 Yeah, there's some activists.

01:37:45.620 But no, I would say there isn't one.

01:37:47.140 I mean, you know what this is?

01:37:48.040 This is, this is, I mean, you want to talk about the arrogance. 1.00

01:37:51.200 Oh, they're just, they're too small and they don't, they're too stupid to even know that they're being mocked. 1.00

01:38:00.020 And we have to take this off because they're just too stupid or, or I don't know what it is, but they won't say anything. 1.00

01:38:06.760 And so we have to protect them. 1.00

01:38:08.360 It's so arrogant.

01:38:10.240 Can I ask a journalist question as well here?

01:38:12.040 Yeah.

01:38:12.240 I know you're not a journalist, but.

01:38:13.280 Yeah, I play one.

01:38:13.940 We should do this on the other side because I'm interested in the way the New York Times wrote this up.

01:38:17.440 I don't think I've ever seen the New York Times use language like this.

01:38:21.780 I'm interested.

01:38:23.260 They're writing like conservatives?

01:38:24.660 I can't imagine.

01:38:27.000 Next.

01:38:28.780 Glenn Beck.

01:38:30.640 Mercury.

01:38:34.600 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:38:37.700 Yeah, real quick on the Cleveland Indians.

01:38:40.680 Here's what the New York Times wrote as they get, as they get rid of their, their mascot on the uniforms.

01:38:47.520 Yeah.

01:38:49.140 Maybe this is minor, but it reads really strangely to me.

01:38:51.880 This is their last paragraph of the New York Times story on the Cleveland Indians abandoning the Chief Wahoo logo next year.

01:38:59.680 I don't know why that makes me laugh.

01:39:01.240 Okay.

01:39:01.840 The Indians team name.

01:39:03.560 Now, we remember this with the Redskins.

01:39:04.940 The Redskins team name, 100% verifiable fact, was named after some, their coach, who was Native American, to honor him.

01:39:12.480 Period.

01:39:13.080 There's no, there's no disagreement about that.

01:39:15.840 People have said later on, oh, well, it turned into a negative phrase, Redskins.

01:39:20.140 But that's not what he is like, you know.

01:39:22.340 Well, George Washington turned into a bad name.

01:39:24.940 Well, yeah, but it's not.

01:39:26.620 Right.

01:39:26.900 Exactly.

01:39:27.340 It wasn't.

01:39:28.300 It's not, it's not, it's not the intent.

01:39:29.760 It's not the point, right.

01:39:31.380 So, here's what they say.

01:39:32.880 The Indians team name itself is supposedly derived from a member of a Native American tribe in Maine who played for a different Cleveland team in the National League from 1897 to 1899.

01:39:45.760 Now, you're the New York Times, and you're writing a story about the Indians logo, and you include this name, this paragraph at the end.

01:39:53.220 The Indians team name itself is supposedly derived?

01:39:56.320 Like, isn't it your job as a journalist to say it either is derived from that, or it isn't, or it's a claim from the team that is unverified, right?

01:40:06.620 Like, it's supposedly adds a little bit of like, supposedly they say, but we don't believe that.

01:40:15.500 We want to make clear that you know that.

01:40:17.940 Supposedly.

01:40:18.540 You said you couldn't believe this from the New York Times?

01:40:22.060 That's what threw me off.

01:40:23.160 I thought maybe the new you saw, I've never seen this from the New York Times, so I've seen that every day.

01:40:27.160 I was thinking like, you know what?

01:40:29.580 Reagan might have been a pretty good guy. 0.90

01:40:31.700 And they came out for tax cuts at the end of the article.

01:40:34.100 You know, that whole tax cut thing, that trickle-down economics, looks like proof is in the pudding here.

01:40:38.700 It's working.

01:40:40.460 Pat, do you, Pat Gray's with us.

01:40:42.040 Do you, what do you think about the name change, the loss of Chief Wahoo?

01:40:46.240 Well, you know, it could, I think, be construed as offensive.

01:40:50.740 Really?

01:40:51.200 It could be.

01:40:51.780 Very cartoonish.

01:40:52.940 I don't know that it is, though.

01:40:54.380 Thank you.

01:40:55.160 I don't know that it is.

01:40:55.900 Is this the big white man stepping up and saying, oh, you know, these Indians who are not protesting, 1.00

01:41:02.180 they're just too stupid to know this is offensive, so I'm going to do it for them. 1.00

01:41:06.120 I mean, it's insulting. 1.00

01:41:07.440 A bunch of white liberals being offended on their behalf.

01:41:09.260 Yes, it's insulting.

01:41:10.760 They're not offended on their own behalf.

01:41:12.440 Right.

01:41:12.840 They've done study after study, and it comes out about 90% of Native Americans aren't offended by that stuff.

01:41:18.520 So what are we doing?

01:41:19.460 What are we worried about?

01:41:20.180 Yeah, you're imposing your white man justice.

01:41:22.820 I mean, it's really, it's incredible.

01:41:25.480 Incredible.

01:41:25.960 It's actually insulting, I think, to minorities.

01:41:28.120 Oh, I think it's very insulting.

01:41:29.780 Very insulting.

01:41:30.440 You excited for the State of the Union?

01:41:32.080 I can't wait.

01:41:33.000 Right.

01:41:33.220 I can't wait.

01:41:34.660 Really?

01:41:35.140 Yeah.

01:41:35.960 I can't wait.

01:41:36.760 You know, Kiefer Sutherland is not showing up.

01:41:40.480 Now, I didn't know he was supposed to, but he's not showing up.

01:41:44.500 Well, he's not showing up because he's the designated survivor.

01:41:46.800 He has to stay away from the State of the Union.

01:41:49.100 Now, this is a TV show. 0.98

01:41:50.080 It's ridiculous. 0.97

01:41:50.980 Well, of course he's not going there, Glenn Moron. 0.98

01:41:53.100 Jeez, Mr. Educated talk show host over here doesn't know that Kiefer Sutherland can't

01:42:00.340 be at the State of the Union.

01:42:01.320 I am so sick of who's invited and who's not and who's showing up.

01:42:07.220 And I just...

01:42:08.700 What you're going to wear.

01:42:10.220 We're going to wear a pink ribbon.

01:42:11.480 We're going to wear blue shoes.

01:42:12.920 I mean, who cares?

01:42:14.540 It's just, who cares about all of that?

01:42:17.220 I want to point out, joining us here is a little Sally Muckafutch who's no more than 1.00

01:42:25.420 three and she has no eyes and no mouth and she doesn't have a nose. 1.00

01:42:31.420 So she can't see, smell, speak, quite honestly breathe until her neighbor, coincidentally, a

01:42:40.680 waiter from California, offered her a straw and just jammed it into her face and it saved 0.99

01:42:45.340 her life.

01:42:45.780 And that's why we wanted little Sally stand up and Bill, whatever his name is, from the

01:42:52.600 TGI Fridays.

01:42:53.680 He's here as well.

01:42:54.860 And then they applaud for five minutes and it's, I'm tired of it. 0.99

01:42:57.900 I just, shut up. 1.00

01:42:59.480 All of you, shut up. 1.00

01:43:00.600 Is Bill from TGI Fridays really going to be there? 0.99

01:43:02.800 Because that sounds great.

01:43:03.900 Yeah, he did.

01:43:04.480 I mean, it was, it wasn't a paper straw.

01:43:06.280 He saved her life.

01:43:06.760 He saved her life.

01:43:07.460 He just jammed that, you know.

01:43:09.680 Just straight into her face, right?

01:43:11.020 Because there was no opening there.

01:43:12.040 Right.

01:43:12.320 He could, he could tell by the look of her skin that she was like, no, no, no. 0.99

01:43:19.920 He did it out of anger.

01:43:21.060 Oh, I mean, this is a story they're not going to tell you.

01:43:23.380 Okay.

01:43:23.740 Because it's the Republicans, but he did it out of anger because he could tell that if

01:43:28.360 she had eyes, she was looking at him like, where's my drink?

01:43:32.000 And he knew my drink.

01:43:33.200 I've already, I've already put it here in front of you, but you don't have eyes.

01:43:37.420 And so he got mad.

01:43:38.540 He took that straw and he just jammed in her face. 1.00

01:43:40.500 Now, they're thinking about not giving him the fine because he, you know, you're fined

01:43:47.260 a thousand dollars, you know, if you give a straw to somebody that didn't request it,

01:43:51.480 but she had no mouth. 0.99

01:43:53.020 And quite honestly, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals said she deserved it.

01:43:58.080 Yeah.

01:43:58.240 Law's a law though.

01:43:59.000 You can't give anybody a straw, even if they have no mouth.

01:44:01.180 Right.

01:44:01.540 And that's the, that's the law.

01:44:02.840 Right.

01:44:03.340 I mean, are we, you know, society of laws are meant to be children without faces.

01:44:07.460 You just don't care.

01:44:08.380 What do you, how are you, what, how are you looking at this state of the union?

01:44:12.100 So I'm, I'm trying to assess, I'm sort of weighing the, the good from the first year

01:44:17.940 of Trump with the concerns that I have.

01:44:20.720 And I'm right now, I think the good outweighs the bad with the things we've talked about a

01:44:26.760 lot of times, like Supreme court justice, Neil Gorsuch got the tax catch, which, which have

01:44:31.500 definitely stimulated the economy, uh, and helped employees.

01:44:35.520 He rolled back the EPA regulations.

01:44:37.760 He got us out of the Paris accord and the TPP treaty gave land back to, uh, states.

01:44:43.700 And I think you could say actually finished off ISIS pretty much.

01:44:48.900 Oh no, you don't say it.

01:44:50.220 He did.

01:44:50.620 He did.

01:44:51.200 He did it.

01:44:51.980 It's a big one.

01:44:52.860 He's generally changed the way the administration deals with the military.

01:44:57.640 And he's, he's, he's added respect back to the military, which is a huge thing to me.

01:45:02.800 And he's elevated, you know, a lot of military people to real levels of prominence and influence

01:45:07.000 in the administration, which, you know, can be risky if you do it too much.

01:45:10.340 But I mean, I think he's done it an appropriate amount.

01:45:12.900 Uh, he, you know, the Jerusalem thing, you've got, uh, opening up drilling on Anwar. 0.93

01:45:17.980 Uh, that'll be big for America's energy and defense independence. 0.95

01:45:22.020 And then you weigh that against the concerns that the push for amnesty, which I'm not excited

01:45:28.480 about the fact that we don't have a wall yet or provisions to build it.

01:45:32.560 Uh, the libel laws he wants to open up and the risk to free speech, uh, the, there's been

01:45:40.700 no repeal of Obamacare yet.

01:45:42.640 The character issues are, are a concern to me, but not apparently to evangelical leaders.

01:45:48.860 So where, what is the state of our union right now?

01:45:53.060 Is it solid?

01:45:53.760 Are we on solid footing or do the concerns outweigh?

01:45:58.400 You, you have to look to, at a couple of things.

01:46:01.280 The, the seven, or sorry, I was going to say the $787 billion stimulus package, which

01:46:07.560 was outrageous last president.

01:46:09.520 Now it's double that.

01:46:10.360 It's double that.

01:46:11.780 Double.

01:46:12.260 Or more.

01:46:12.780 Or more.

01:46:13.280 It might be as high as 1.7.

01:46:14.940 Is that going to be a good thing to the pundits now?

01:46:17.960 Are they going to say, well, yeah, now it's good.

01:46:20.600 It's not good.

01:46:21.880 They're just not calling it a stimulus package.

01:46:23.840 They're, they're saying it's for infrastructure.

01:46:25.740 But that's what it was.

01:46:26.320 It was an infrastructure stimulus package.

01:46:28.060 Yeah.

01:46:28.280 And what happened to that $800 billion?

01:46:30.160 Well, Joe Biden was all over it.

01:46:31.900 Joe Biden was all over it.

01:46:33.000 He made all those signs, if you remember.

01:46:34.420 Yeah, I do remember.

01:46:35.220 Those are nice.

01:46:35.740 Those are really nice signs.

01:46:37.240 So, I mean, you know, we, we, we have that.

01:46:39.780 We also have this really disturbing news that came out and thank God, Jeet Pai stomped this

01:46:44.960 down yesterday quickly.

01:46:46.700 The chairman of the FCC.

01:46:48.520 Nationalizing the 5G network.

01:46:50.080 The 5G network.

01:46:51.100 Jeez.

01:46:51.420 That is, to come out and have the president say, you know what, we, we think we should

01:46:56.820 build the 5G network and the private industry will just, it would just rent the backbone of

01:47:03.020 a 5G network from us is terrifying.

01:47:06.040 Really not good.

01:47:07.480 Really not good.

01:47:08.560 Mm-hmm.

01:47:08.860 Yeah.

01:47:09.000 There's an interesting thing of, I'm concerned a little bit about how, you know, Trump always,

01:47:14.600 we always said Trump would have better policies over a four-year period than any, you know,

01:47:19.240 certainly Hillary Clinton, right?

01:47:20.600 Oh, yeah.

01:47:20.880 I mean, you know, of course, the question is long-term and that's going to be up for debate

01:47:24.140 for the next couple decades, right?

01:47:26.080 Of what happens to the party and what they begin to support.

01:47:28.520 If they turn into that nationalist party, it's, no matter how many good things he does in

01:47:32.300 this term, it's a very negative thing because then there's no conservative representation.

01:47:36.220 Um, but he always had a bunch of policies, even in the campaign that were, he proposed

01:47:42.840 and said that he was going to do and, uh, and that we liked.

01:47:47.380 Yeah.

01:47:47.880 And there was a big bucket of policies that we didn't like.

01:47:50.720 And what it seems like is the first year he, he went to that passive lease, lease resistance

01:47:56.140 has taken and done many of the things you mentioned, Pat, which were good and that we supported.

01:48:00.580 And as we start year two, we're getting infrastructure, we're getting, uh, you know, a

01:48:05.900 DACA, we're getting path to citizenship. 0.74

01:48:08.860 We're getting a lot of proposals here that were the ones that we were, were skeptical

01:48:12.980 of and did not like back in the day.

01:48:14.640 So hopefully this, this isn't a split where we're seeing the policy turned down.

01:48:18.860 I mean, I kind of like Ben Shapiro's construct of this when he was talking about it on the

01:48:22.260 other, on the other day, the other day when he was here, which was an a, I think it was

01:48:25.500 an a minus for executive policy, which almost everything you mentioned there, Pat was an

01:48:31.020 executive policy.

01:48:32.740 None of it was legislative.

01:48:34.520 It can all be reversed.

01:48:35.520 The only thing legislative was the tax plan.

01:48:37.640 And that's, I think he gave him a C minus on, on legislative priorities and then everything

01:48:42.100 else, an F, which is, you know, the stuff that you talked about when it's character,

01:48:46.120 it's, it's the, it's the office it's so, which I, you know, that is, it's an interesting

01:48:50.400 split.

01:48:50.840 And I think generally speaking, how I see it, like I, he's done a lot of good, he's definitely

01:48:55.420 been better on policy than I thought he was going to be definitely.

01:48:58.820 So, and that's, that's a huge thing.

01:49:00.720 I had a friend who supports Trump reach out to me.

01:49:04.700 He's in politics and he said, I understand Glenn, but the, you know, the evangelicals

01:49:11.020 are playing this really smart.

01:49:12.240 They are making all of their support.

01:49:13.800 I think it hurts them in the long run, but they're, they're playing very smart and they're,

01:49:17.820 they're giving him support and, and clearly saying the minute he starts going the other

01:49:24.360 direction, we're done.

01:49:26.020 Um, and he said, so he, he is being held on a short leash, which is good.

01:49:32.880 This is a supporter, by the way.

01:49:34.180 He said, the question is in the last four years is it, will there be a leash on him at

01:49:43.280 all?

01:49:44.060 Will he care about the left or the right or politics?

01:49:48.380 And some could look at that and say, that's really good because now he really doesn't care.

01:49:53.500 He doesn't have to be elected again, but that's where, that's where, you know, presidents

01:49:58.000 usually become a little more bold is in this, in the second term, what happens in the second

01:50:04.780 term?

01:50:05.600 What, what, who's he going to listen to?

01:50:07.380 Who's going to temper him?

01:50:08.740 Who's going to help him find a path?

01:50:11.680 Because he, I don't think he, and I don't mean this in a bad way.

01:50:14.660 I don't think he has thought things like the 5G network through or even the Patriot Act.

01:50:19.460 You know, he was, his, his first in the Patriot Act, his first gut reaction was right. 0.94

01:50:25.160 This FISA, this is what they used against me.

01:50:27.340 This should be gone.

01:50:29.080 Two hours later, somebody sat down and explained it to him and, uh, and he was saying, you know

01:50:34.360 what, this is great.

01:50:35.300 This is American.

01:50:36.020 We need it.

01:50:37.060 So it really depends on who he's listening to, who he wants to, I don't mean this in a

01:50:44.760 bad way, but pay off who's helped him that can advise him and he wants to help them back.

01:50:51.560 That, that's a, that's a, I don't know.

01:50:55.140 That's a question mark.

01:50:56.240 What does that mean for the policies going forward?

01:51:00.020 It's going to be a really interesting year and interesting, uh, state of the union address

01:51:04.420 without Keith, Kiefer Sutherland.

01:51:06.100 So he won't.

01:51:06.840 Right.

01:51:07.300 Yeah.

01:51:07.540 Are we sure he's positive?

01:51:10.880 He's not going to be a designated survivor.

01:51:12.720 How many TV shows?

01:51:14.720 He has to be separate from everybody else because he's the person who becomes president in this

01:51:18.780 situation.

01:51:19.460 If anything really bad happens.

01:51:20.880 Which, well, if Kiefer Sutherland is the American president, I think a lot would really be very

01:51:26.080 bad.

01:51:26.380 Probably be very bad.

01:51:27.300 You going to talk about this on Pat Gray on this today?

01:51:28.960 Yes.

01:51:29.140 Yes.

01:51:29.260 This is the big topic du jour.

01:51:30.940 Moments from now.

01:51:31.660 All right.

01:51:32.140 Very excited to hear it.

01:51:33.560 And you can hear it as well, uh, on the blaze radio and TV network, as well as, uh, on iTunes

01:51:38.000 with the podcast.

01:51:39.260 If you miss it, you know, it was catch up later in the day.

01:51:41.120 I also, uh, sent out a smoke signal.

01:51:43.580 Is that what that was?

01:51:44.580 About three o'clock Eastern.

01:51:45.440 Yeah.

01:51:45.600 Okay.

01:51:45.920 Just sums up the whole show in a smoke signal.

01:51:48.060 If you want to tell them.

01:51:49.340 Probably should make it longer than that.

01:51:50.840 It was just, yeah, it was about seven seconds of smoke.

01:51:52.800 Smoke signals say a lot.

01:51:53.940 They do.

01:51:54.120 In a very little amount of time.

01:51:55.520 Sure.

01:51:55.940 Fair point.

01:51:56.520 He was, he was telling him the chief Wahoo that he's going to be talking about him tonight.

01:52:00.280 Is that you racist?

01:52:02.740 With volatility in the stock market, the wild swings in Bitcoin, the constant turmoil in

01:52:09.080 Washington, DC.

01:52:09.860 I don't know if you, uh, know this, but gold just came off its second best year since 2010.

01:52:15.660 And gold is up almost a hundred dollars since mid-December with lots of room, uh, to run.

01:52:21.100 And I, I will tell you, um, uh, we did an episode.

01:52:25.560 What was it last week?

01:52:26.800 Stu, on, uh, the melt up and, and, and why you need to be concerned about the economy.

01:52:33.660 Um, we're all feeling pretty good right now.

01:52:36.480 We're all feeling like, okay, this is, you know, this is going to be great.

01:52:39.300 Um, the, the problem is there's a lot of repatriation of money coming back.

01:52:44.260 The, the market could overheat easily.

01:52:46.840 I think the stock markets are going to go through the roof.

01:52:48.780 It's called a melt up.

01:52:50.480 It, uh, it, the last time it really happened was.

01:52:54.120 It's, I think it was the pets.com.

01:52:58.940 Um, before that it was 1929.

01:53:01.620 Um, it's when people get over exuberant and they're like, this is great.

01:53:04.980 It's never going to end.

01:53:05.900 And the stock market goes through the roof and everybody jumps in.

01:53:09.280 It's kind of like what was happening with a Bitcoin for a while, except this one would

01:53:13.720 be, uh, devastating to the global economy.

01:53:16.600 So what are they doing?

01:53:17.720 They are starting to raise interest rates to bring some, suck some of that money back

01:53:22.340 into the federal reserve.

01:53:24.520 What does that mean?

01:53:25.540 When interest rates go up and there's, that's because there's too many dollars chasing too

01:53:30.820 few goods, which means inflation.

01:53:33.240 Gold line has gold.

01:53:35.520 That is the hedge against inflation.

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01:53:57.340 But I'm telling you, gold is going to have a good run.

01:54:00.180 Um, you have to do your own homework, please.

01:54:01.960 I'm not an investment person, but, um, gold is going to go up.

01:54:05.900 I believe this year because of inflation and, uh, all these dollars being repatriated and

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01:54:22.260 Glenn Beck.

01:54:24.180 Mercury.

01:54:27.960 Glenn Beck.

01:54:29.120 Uh, I just have to pass this on and I'm going to, I'll post this at glennbeck.com right

01:54:34.680 after the show.

01:54:35.760 Um, the, uh, a couple was driving down the street and, uh, they were in Spain and, and,

01:54:41.280 uh, they, you know, they, the, the, the woman was kind of, you know, real close to, you know, 0.99

01:54:46.920 the, the man who was driving and they thought that was a little weird.

01:54:49.480 What's going on there?

01:54:50.500 So they pulled over and, uh, as they pulled them over, they said, could you step out of the

01:54:54.860 car?

01:54:55.200 And the couple will, uh, no, uh, what are you doing?

01:54:57.380 We'd rather not open the doors.

01:54:58.720 They opened up the doors and oranges fell out.

01:55:03.520 And, um, and then they, the police realized there were hundreds of oranges, hundreds,

01:55:09.180 uh, of oranges.

01:55:10.500 And the couple had, had robbed an orange truck, uh, you know, a shipment of oranges, but they

01:55:18.060 actually said to the officer, you know what?

01:55:20.280 We're just on a long trip and, uh, we've been picking them along the way and it's just added

01:55:24.980 up.

01:55:26.580 Glenn, back.

01:55:27.740 Solid answer.

01:55:28.460 Mercury.

01:55:28.860 Mercury.

01:55:29.000 Mercury.

01:55:29.040 Mercury.

01:55:29.080 Mercury.

01:55:29.500 Mercury.

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The Glenn Beck Program - January 30, 2018

1⧸30⧸18 - '#GlennWearThePants' (Jonah Goldberg joins Glenn)

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