1⧸31⧸18 - 'One of the Best Ever'? (Jordan Peterson joins Glenn)
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Americans are dreamers too. This was one of the best and most powerful speeches of President Trump s political career. The Democrats sat on their hands and did nothing. They don t care about the country, they care about politics.
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This was one of the best speeches I have heard a president give in a long, long time.
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One of the great lines and great moments from last night's State of the Union speech.
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I believe this is the best and most powerful night of President Trump's political career.
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Last night, he's the president that people have been waiting for.
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It's not every day that a political event can move you to tears.
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We have little Sally Mucketfuck sitting up there and she did this.
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Last night had powerful moment after powerful moment after powerful moment.
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Rather than going to Hellfire and Brimstone, you know, and following the path of Steve Bannon,
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the president breathed humanity into our political issues through three powerful stories.
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A family that had lost two daughters to the MS-13 gang violence.
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They stood while the president was telling their story and you could feel their pain.
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The parents of Otto Warmbier, the guy that was taken in North Korea and brutally, brutally beaten.
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Those parents stood sobbing while the entire building erupted in applause.
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And a North Korean defector stood and triumphantly raised his crutches as the emotion swelled.
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Maybe the most effective thing to happen for Republicans, and it didn't have anything to do with what the president said,
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The Democrats, this was not just a good night for the president.
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Did they not know that the entire country was watching them as they sat and refused to applaud even the entrance of Melania Trump
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and applaud the things that 99% of the country can rally behind?
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Nancy Pelosi, I don't know if she swallowed a tooth or what was going on, but my gosh, she wasn't happy.
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They sat on their hands for things that I just don't understand.
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How do you not stand for bonuses and rising wages for the first time for the middle and lower class?
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They sat and scowled as everyone else stood for In God We Trust, the national anthem, Jerusalem, higher wages.
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The Congressional Black Caucus remained seated when it was announced that the African-American unemployment number is at its lowest in history.
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Many American Democrats care deeply about immigration issues.
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Trump did something that no Republican or no conservative could ever survive.
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He locked himself into the death chamber, strapped himself to a conservative electric chair, and turned on the juice.
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He offered amnesty for 1.8 million illegal aliens.
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He stated in the speech that triples what Obama was offering.
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Nancy Pelosi, I was now afraid it wasn't going to be a sprain.
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At one point, Luis Gutierrez stood up and stormed out of the room.
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I think it's because people were chanting USA, USA, and that offended him.
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I don't know if they had to have special classes for the Democrats, some sort of a hold-me tank because the flag was behind the president the whole time.
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They seem to not really, you know, they need to be coddled a little bit.
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The Democrats aren't happy with Trump's amnesty because they're not the ones delivering it.
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There's many Republicans that do exactly the same thing.
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They're concerned mainly about protecting their political racket.
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If there was ever an opportunity to at least appear to be bipartisan, last night was it.
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Willingly, wittingly or not, the Democrats showed the country who they really are.
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So, Democrats, by all means, keep sitting down.
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I have to tell you, I do not like the State of the Union.
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I cannot remember the last one that I watched all the way through that I wasn't paid to sit there and watch.
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I think the last one we did on television, I think I may have left early.
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And this one had all of the trappings that I hate.
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You know, the long, you know, the long applause lines.
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Mr. Speaker of the President of the United States.
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I am proud to announce the President of the United States.
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I really, really have a hard time with speeches read on a teleprompter by somebody who can't read on a teleprompter.
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With all of that being said, that was one of the best speeches I have seen a President give in a long time.
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He actually connected with much of what he was talking about emotionally, which I don't think I've ever seen before.
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It was one of the best written speeches I have seen in a long time.
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And I say that with a little bit of blindness today from staring directly into the...
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They're getting more than they've ever had from anyone, including McCain and Graham and Jeb Bush and all of those people.
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And I'm going to take on the big pharmaceutical companies and make drugs cheaper in the United States.
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And that's, of course, part of the ridiculousness of the event as a whole.
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But again, you can't imagine that going better for Donald Trump than it did.
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I have to tell you, you know, there were times that this is the first time that I have seen anger, outrage on a mass scale.
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I mean, with Obama, there were a lot of people that were really, you know, you lie.
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Have you ever heard of a congressman walking out of the speech?
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I don't know what happened to the Congressional Black Caucus.
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I mean, their reaction was almost like you were sitting with, you know, the Black Panthers.
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How do you not stand for, I don't care who did it.
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I don't even give the entirety of this economy at this point.
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Donald Trump, do not base your success on the stock market.
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And when it goes bad, if you have spent your whole first year and a half saying, look at
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the stock market, look at the stock market, when it collapses, you're in trouble.
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But anyway, there's a lot of things that he did that have created jobs.
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It's not like, and we're going to build a bridge.
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That's a job for right now until the bridge is done.
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A real job is another, a third party that is actually a business that is building and
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making something of value that will go on for a long time.
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The unemployment rate for African-Americans is now at its lowest point in recorded history.
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I mean, I don't care who, again, like, I think you can, they'll, and they, many of the
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organizations have made these points that, that this recovery started before Trump was
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You can, you can use that if you want, you can make it.
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So it's about your guy more than the other guy, but how do you not clap for the fact that
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No matter who's responsible for it, you want to, you can go on TV.
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And you can make your arguments about how this is actually Obama's doing if you want,
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but how do you not say in the end that the result is a positive?
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And you're sitting on your hands because you don't like the president.
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So, I mean, I think, I think it, they looked like extremists last night.
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Trump, please, Mr. President, please don't tweet for a few days.
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Somebody turn the electricity off in the White House.
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People get so sensitive whenever there's a word of criticism of Donald Trump.
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And I just don't, you know, that's not how I, he doesn't need you to, he doesn't need
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you to, he is, he is, I mean, they used to call Ronald Reagan the Teflon president.
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Um, but it's interesting in that, like one of the criticisms of Trump is that, okay,
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Some of them are really good and some of them conservatives really like, uh, and I think
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There's something about him that America wants to like in that he's a businessman.
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He kind of speaks, you know, a little bit more, uh, in a, in a way that's, that people
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Like there's something about that, that they like, but.
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And, and the fact that they want to like him because, you know, look at what's happened
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There's a lot of good things that have happened and Americans don't want to dislike their president.
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So the issue is if he's like that president last night, doesn't have a 37% approval rating.
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Again, with the same policies, the same person, but he acts like that all the time.
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Uh, he may in a year from now, if things would continue to be, to grow and be good, like
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it is now, he could have a 60%, 70% approval rating again.
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Like, so there's a lot there to be positive about.
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And I made, I made this point before, and I think it's important.
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If he stopped the tweeting, 0% of his base would go away.
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The only thing you'd have is upside of people who don't like that stuff.
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And I, I use tweeting as a more generality of, of, I mean, there's no problem with him
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Like the things that he gets that, that create the controversies, his, all the 38%, they're
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If he stops doing that, they all like him for other, for all these, for a million reasons.
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And he's done a, a, a relatively good job with the economy, with ISIS, for sure.
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Cause every time he does this, and he did it last year too, he had a good speech in the
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And you know, I think if he keeps this vibe going, the, the, the 2018 election, 2020 is
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If he has the discipline to do what he did last night and last night, it huge win for
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75% of people who watched the speech approved of it, including 43% of Democrats.
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It was, there was, look, and I like this, uh, uh, about people.
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I don't want to agree with somebody I listened to or I don't, I don't think that's reasonable.
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There's something wrong if I am agreeing with somebody all the time on everything and they
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You're right or you're wrong, but that's really an interesting take and consistent with you.
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Um, I like the fact that we have a president that could make me feel good and the other
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I don't mean the Marxist side, you know, just the, the, the, the average Democrat feel
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You've been saying stuff for a while and you got us in the ditch.
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That was, it was abusive the way this president treated or the way the last president treated
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Last night, this president did something I've never seen before.
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He, he should have now because he's the amazing Donald Trump that doesn't ever seem to piss
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And he, because he's Donald Trump, you could actually get the conservatives to go along
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They still complain and push back because that, that's the best chance for him to say no.
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Well, today is a day for those of you who keep track.
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I want to say, I never thought this president could do what he did last night.
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The home security company that, uh, when I started with them, I don't know how many years
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And it was this idea, um, uh, that they could change the way security was done.
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Now they are the fastest growing home security company in the nation.
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And I have to tell you, they have just done it again.
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They have, um, released a brand new security system, completely rebuilt and redesigned.
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They have added all kinds of new security features and safeguards, power outages, down
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Somebody comes in and, you know, just beats it with a, with a hammer.
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They've done everything to this to make sure that that message still gets out.
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The intruders aren't going to be notice it until they try to open something that they
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And the best thing is they've done all of this.
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I mean, years of research and you get it for the same great price.
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It's an honest, fair value and 24 seven protection is $15 a month.
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No contract, smarter, smaller, faster, stronger.
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It's like the bionic man that costs seven, uh, seven, it wasn't six, $6 million.
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The system is the best they've ever built and there's no strings or wires attached.
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See the new system and order simply safe Beck.com.
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Do you think last night, do you think last night that there was Steve Bannon sitting
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someplace in an almost empty kind of, you know, sleazy bar?
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With a, with a, with a bottle of whiskey, half drunk.
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Just looking up at the TV going, what the hell is you need me?
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Last night, it was, it was everything that the Steve Bannon speech, uh, you know, wasn't.
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It didn't have any of the creepy, you know, kind of stuff that Steve Bannon was pushing
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And this is what happens when you don't try to go to the alt-right.
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What happens when you just, when you just say, look, these are principles.
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So in the bar of my mind, and believe me, there's always a bar in my mind.
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In the bar room of my mind last night, there were only two customers and they were sitting
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Watching this unbelievable performance of the president last night going, I could have
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And the, he's got a half drunk bottle of whiskey in front of him and he's just replaying every
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The far end of the bar on the other end is another man with a half drunk bottle of Zima
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I, I want to obey rules of engagement are completely reversed.
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And I, I mean, all of these things, I, I thought for sure an executive order was the law.
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If you look at many of, of his great accomplishments were all through executive order.
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And there are air quotes around great accomplishments, by the way.
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But, but let me just say this, Republicans, president, Mr. President, please learn this
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The next president that comes in is just going to reverse your stuff.
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It's got to go through Congress because then you don't change it.
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You know, that's, that's not an edict, but just a lot of the things that he has done
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He's been, uh, his, the best part of his presidency has been his executive policy, which is great
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except for the fact that the next guy can reverse it.
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I mean, and the next Congress can reverse a law too.
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However, uh, much more difficult to accomplish.
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I believe he's also appointed more local, I mean, uh, uh, federal judges, um, and district
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And that's, you know, that's lasting his, uh, many of his appointments.
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I mean, it's funny because we know over the, over the time where he was from a candidate
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to, to president, there's been obviously different aspects that I've had a problem with, uh, of
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But a lot of that was tied to Steve Bannon though.
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I mean, the Bannon elements of this presidency have always been very disturbing to me and he's
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A lot of the guys that we were talking about thinking there were the worst appointments were
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How is Mick Mulvaney dealing with a $1.7 trillion stimulus package?
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And that was so, and that's part of the spending.
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I mean, again, I think you go through the, the first part of this is looking at that speech
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Like, look at it as, as a, as a, as a moment in time, how was it?
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And I don't think you could possibly expect that to go better than it did that.
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I mean, that is, no, it was, it was now it was interesting because you watched it.
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Um, and as someone who just listened to it and didn't see the visuals, Nixon won, Nixon
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No, I, um, but I, uh, I thought it was really well done.
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He seemingly, that Trump, I think is the, is the better.
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You tweeted about this a little bit last night.
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You know, he's not like saying the wild things.
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It's not necessarily as fun, but it is, it's a little bit more boring presidential, but that's
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It was like, um, well, I should say at the very beginning of the speech, when he first
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started in and everything, and he was on teleprompter, you know, kind of doing that.
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He was almost like delivering it at the beginning, like Clint Eastwood with a, with a squinty eye
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Um, but, uh, uh, you know, when he's on teleprompter and the speech is, you know, just a usual
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You want him off the teleprompter because then it's at least entertaining.
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But if you kind of break it, the speech into three types of content, right?
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There's one, uh, Trump essentially taking credit for the good things he's done, right?
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Let me show you, uh, let me give you that color of it, right?
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Here is this person who had this happen to them.
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Here's this person whose child was tragically murdered.
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Here's this person who got a new job and is now a welder.
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All those things, kind of that, the color of the event.
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Here is, here's an illustration of the things I believe are important.
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Uh, and then the third would be new policy proposals.
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What are the things he wants to do in the future?
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Which is the part of this, by the way, that is, uh, required by the constitution, right?
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The state of the union, uh, says from time to time, we'll give updates on things that
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What is the state of we're doing and what, what should we do in the future?
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The first two parts were home runs, him talking about the things that he has done.
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I thought he was great on that and didn't do the typical real over exaggeration of it.
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There were a couple of claims that you could have problems with, but generally speaking,
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They believe it's the 12th, uh, biggest tax cut in history, but it's still, it's still
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You know, like a lot of the stuff was like, you know, people were saying, well, we've had
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great job creation and they have had great job creation and people will point out, well,
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the, you know, the last five years of Obama, um, had higher numbers, which is true technically,
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but each job to add to the economy as you get closer to full employment is more difficult.
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So I think there's a real argument to be made that, you know, he, this is, his economic
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The tax, the, the, the, the, the stock market being high.
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Well, it's risky to, to stake your entire claim on that, which I don't think he did,
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but I mean, that can be problematic longterm, but I mean, it's true.
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So him taking credit for the stuff he's done, I thought worked out really well.
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His illustration, uh, you know, where he's taking people from the crowd and pointing
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Cause there's, they're very pandering and stuff.
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The people, Warmbeer's, uh, family, um, even the guy from North Korea, when he stood up
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with the crutches, uh, and the, uh, the two families that lost their, their daughters
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to MS-13, the pain on their faces was, it was heart-wrenching.
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It was just, it was, it was a masterpiece of emotion.
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It's one of the, those two things are the reason why I believe he had.
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I think it was 97% among Republicans and 43% of Democrats, which is insanely high, especially
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for a guy who is as generally speaking, as divisive as, as Trump is.
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I mean, you know, if you like him, you love him.
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And if you don't like him, you really don't like him.
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So Democrats don't usually cheer anything that he's done.
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Uh, so the connecting with the emotion, giving a positive picture of America, absolute home
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The, the, the policy, uh, prescriptions are important and we can, I think, lose sight
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of the fact, uh, that he made a lot of proposals last night.
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Some of them were good, but I mean, let me give you four quick things from that speech
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Now, remember, this is now literally double what Obama wanted for infrastructure.
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Infrastructure and got, and got, and we complained about like crazy.
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And he said, by the way, we should point out not 1.5 trillion, but at least was his quote,
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at least $1.5 trillion in infrastructure spending.
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As you pointed out, I don't know how Mick Mulvaney gets through it.
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Having to pitch for that proposal because he was one of the biggest voices against that
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I know you went, look, he's, he's not the president.
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And I understand that, but that's gotta be difficult for him because he is a real budget
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So that's one, $1.5 trillion, the family leave, uh, act.
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He again wants to bring free, uh, paid family leave to, uh, he's, he's, there's several proposals
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Um, but it's talking, you're talking about people, you know, maternity leave and, and leave
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They all, they're all feel really good, feel good policies, cost of fortune.
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Uh, the estimates are up to $700 billion, uh, for these programs.
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So this is another, this could be, they've, it depends on what parts of that he enacts,
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but the cost is usually between a hundred billion and $700 billion.
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So we don't know the exact cost of that because he could trim it.
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We're up to $2 trillion, maybe two to two, two to 2.2, uh, give or, give or take.
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Uh, and then, uh, another $500 billion of, uh, ending a sequester, which he made a big
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And that gives you no economic impact whatsoever.
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I'm not factoring in any cost at all to giving citizenship to 2 million illegal immigrants.
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Uh, there's so I'm saying no cost to that at all.
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And we're at well over $2 trillion, maybe as high as 2.7.
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And that is with him giving his low estimate because he said at least $1.5 trillion in
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We've heard estimates at least as high as $1.7 trillion for that.
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So, you know, you have to step back from, I liked the speech.
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It was as good as, as I could possibly ever imagine a Donald Trump speech going.
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It was overwhelmingly well received by the American people.
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Our job as I think conservatives is to say to, uh, Donald Trump, hey, look, you know,
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Spending another $3 trillion is not an ideal path.
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You said the, the three, the three areas of his speech were what?
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Were bragging, which by the way, I think you, that is a hundred percent.
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That is every president takes time to say, this is what we've accomplished in the last
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So that I call it bragging, but that's part one bragging.
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Part two, the color, the emotional, uh, way of, of illustrating these stories.
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We're bringing out people from North Korea, et cetera.
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And then third policy prescriptions, where are we going, going forward?
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So here's what I, I thought it was in three parts too.
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And I wrote them down when you said yours, I wrote my three parts and I thought we were
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going to agree and that we didn't part one, who we are.
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He didn't really brag about all of his, he, he wasn't saying I was making America great.
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He said the American people have been unleashed and they made America great.
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And here are some of the stories that have happened.
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So the first part I think was the color and, uh, and who, just who we are.
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We, you know, we have these principles, who we are.
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I'm combining those and, and making that who we are.
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Look what I'm willing to give you to the Democrats surprise.
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You didn't see this, but he kept looking over to the Democrats and like, what are you not,
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What I'm getting, we're talking prescription drugs here and you're sitting on your hands.
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I said to my, I said to my daughter yesterday, she was sitting there and I said, oh, good
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But there was a definite undertow there that I'm hoping is all posturing.
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unfortunately for them, almost 50% of their base did connect with it.
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We're going to spend a full hour with Jordan Peterson coming up in just a few minutes.
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Jordan Peterson is this amazing professor from Canada.
00:36:50.260
So well-spoken, so clear on what is right and wrong.
00:37:03.500
Um, and he's talking about, uh, the rules for life.
00:37:10.620
He's got a new book out, the 12 rules for life, an antidote to chaos.
00:37:15.780
Maybe I like him so much because we think so much alike.
00:37:19.200
If you don't know who he is, you're going to love him.
00:37:21.520
If you do know who he is, a full hour with him.
00:38:02.120
Don't make a list of Jewish enemies or any other list of, uh, enemies based on, you know,
00:38:11.080
Yesterday, former congressional candidate, uh, Paul Nalen, the guy who lost overwhelmingly
00:38:16.540
to Paul Ryan in the 2016 Wisconsin Republican primary blamed Jews for attacking his America
00:38:24.300
He used Twitter to post a spreadsheet of the names, including, you know, whether the person
00:38:28.660
is a Jew or not really very, uh, no, it's classic.
00:38:32.120
He claims to have received 81 personal attacks on Twitter in the last month.
00:38:41.340
Uh, of those 81 Twitter attackers, he said, he said 74 are Jewish, which can only mean one
00:38:47.780
You know, of course, say with me, uh, vast Jewish conspiracy.
00:38:53.040
To ruin the popularity that Nalen thinks he has.
00:38:57.020
It could also be that, um, Nalen just hates Jews.
00:39:01.740
By the way, his research pretty much sucks as it turns out several people on his list weren't
00:39:08.660
You know, maybe, maybe Mr. Nalen hasn't gotten the calipers out and measured people's heads.
00:39:13.300
So that could be, he also posted charts with photos of people who work at CNN, NBC, New
00:39:18.940
York times, NPR, Fox news, complete with stars of David on their photo to point out the Jews.
00:39:24.000
He said that, uh, Twitter made him delete those photos.
00:39:29.840
He's trying to portray himself as a victim of censorship and oppression.
00:39:41.680
There's always been people like Nalen and there always will be.
00:39:44.820
The difference now is they have this megaphone of social media.
00:39:48.340
So the question is why engage with a guy like this?
00:39:51.140
He's spewing hate people, you know, just can't take it and they want to fight back, but you're
00:39:57.000
never going to win the, are you not going to change his mind pointing out that he sounds,
00:40:02.060
you know, kind of like a 1930s Nazi isn't going to suddenly make Nalen say, well, you know
00:40:18.780
He is grasping for anything to help him keep afloat as he aims for Ryan's house seat again
00:40:24.140
You have to keep an eye on people like this, especially when organizations like Breitbart gave
00:40:36.200
He's a former darling of Steve Bannon and Breitbart.
00:40:39.540
He is part of the whole psycho alt-right white nationalist fringe that guys like Bannon have
00:40:45.480
been trying to bring under the wing of the Republican Party.
00:40:50.200
But the left would love America to think that those crackpots are part of mainstream conservative
00:41:02.800
You can't run fast enough from people like Paul Nalen and the alt-right.
00:41:22.260
About in, I think, maybe 2005, 2006, I started doing my research on the 12th Imam, which is
00:41:31.640
this crazy end-of-times theology of some people who live in the Middle East, specifically Iran.
00:41:45.560
As I did my research on it, the goal to hasten the return of the promised one is to wash the
00:41:56.320
And I said in 2006, and I've been saying it ever since, run from chaos.
00:42:05.700
The world is going to start moving towards chaos.
00:42:08.720
This is what Russia and Alexander Dugan is also pushing, is his chaos theory.
00:42:19.280
For, I don't know how long, people have been saying, you've got to get Jordan Peterson on.
00:42:23.640
He's the greatest guy in the history of the world.
00:42:26.540
And we're like, yeah, yeah, okay, we'll get to him.
00:42:31.760
And we understand why everybody was saying, you've got to have him on.
00:42:35.380
He's just written a new book, The 12 Rules of Life, an antidote to chaos.
00:42:50.140
If I may describe your book this way, tell me if I'm wrong.
00:42:53.500
Um, people right now feel this chaos and they feel they're overwhelmed and they feel like
00:43:00.220
everything they do or have done doesn't make any difference.
00:43:03.120
And so they're starting to unplug and they're starting to throw up their hands and get frustrated
00:43:08.880
You are saying that, no, no, no, forget about the big picture.
00:43:13.500
Do these 12 little pretty simple things and you'll change the world.
00:43:20.420
Yeah, well, that's a good place to start and you won't do any harm either.
00:43:30.340
So, um, first of all, let me just give the, uh, or have you give your credentials?
00:43:34.320
You, um, uh, are a clinical psychologist and a professor of psychology, uh, and you have
00:43:41.780
really been found in kind of a worldwide sensation on, on YouTube.
00:43:48.200
Oh no, that's so far, so far you've got it right.
00:43:51.860
I've been a practicing clinical psychologist for about 20 years.
00:43:54.720
I've spent tens of thousands of hours talking to people about their deepest problems.
00:44:00.400
And I've worked as a business consultant and, uh, and I've helped entrepreneurs.
00:44:06.420
I've helped companies find entrepreneurs to help run them.
00:44:12.700
I want to go through, I want to go through the, uh, book and we have some time with you
00:44:17.120
We can't go through all 12, but I'm, I'm just going to give you, uh, the, the advice
00:44:22.380
and then you tell me exactly what it means and how to apply it.
00:44:25.600
Uh, rule number two, treat yourself like someone you're responsible for helping.
00:44:35.280
You know, everybody's aware of their own flaws and faults and inadequacies and failures to
00:44:44.160
And we're also painfully aware that we do things purposefully wrong from time to time, just out
00:44:53.160
And because of that, we don't feel as positively predisposed towards ourselves as we might.
00:44:59.580
And so we don't take care of ourselves very well.
00:45:03.300
Even we, we kind of have contempt for ourselves because we're fragile and mortal and, and,
00:45:09.720
and, and subject to the tragic conditions of life.
00:45:15.040
I would say that we deserve the best or that we deserve to be taken care of properly.
00:45:20.340
People will often treat their animals better than they treat themselves.
00:45:26.720
You have to detach yourself from yourself a little bit and understand that you deserve to
00:45:32.720
be cared for like at a, at a, at a level of basic decency, just like any other living
00:45:39.380
creature, let's say it, you should want the best for yourself.
00:45:42.560
I've always been fascinated by the human race because we are, we really are self-hating
00:45:51.200
We, um, we build ourself up into these all powerful, but as individuals, we, we also have
00:46:02.500
How do you, so, so it doesn't sound like people have a hard time of it.
00:46:07.040
You know, I mean, we're the only creatures that are self-conscious and we're aware of
00:46:13.840
And so because of that, it's very difficult for us to regard ourselves properly.
00:46:19.240
And, and so chapter two, uh, rule two, treat yourself as if you're someone that you should
00:46:25.720
take care of, um, is, is a description of why it is a deep description of why it is that
00:46:33.500
And then also what you should do in the face of that, I mean, the fact that we're faced with
00:46:39.640
our own mortality constantly and with the human proclivity for evil means that we have a very
00:46:44.880
large burden to bear, but we're also capable of doing that.
00:46:47.900
And you should regard yourself positively as someone who's able to face the tragedy and
00:46:53.940
malevolence of existence and still move forward.
00:46:57.400
And sometimes move forward with great nobility and grace.
00:47:01.120
I mean, people can operate under horrendous conditions and do so well, admirably.
00:47:09.840
And so chapter two, rule two is about asking people to treat themselves with some respect and
00:47:20.500
Do you think that, uh, I just read a study this morning that shows depression rates of, uh,
00:47:26.580
teenagers are up for, I think 48% suicide is up 24% since 2010.
00:47:34.260
And the study showed that it coincided with the use of a, uh, a smartphone, um, uh, you
00:47:44.060
Do you think this is, uh, helping us because we're, we're one of your other rules.
00:47:49.920
Let me see which one it is, uh, here rule four, compare yourself to who you were yesterday
00:47:55.220
Do you think some of this is coming from, we're not good enough because we don't, we
00:48:01.020
don't have the life that we think everybody else has based on their bogus Facebook page?
00:48:07.020
Well, I, I think there's a couple of things going on there.
00:48:10.480
It we're undergoing sequential technological revolutions and it's not easy to keep up.
00:48:16.100
And so I think we don't know what to do with all the magical technological devices that are
00:48:23.340
It's a very, very steep learning curve and social media, all the major social media outlets,
00:48:29.500
Twitter and YouTube and Instagram and so forth.
00:48:32.440
They all have their advantages and their pitfalls.
00:48:34.500
They're quite addictive and they do throw you out into a massive realm and allow you to compare
00:48:40.340
yourself to the, well, to the Facebook version of everyone else.
00:48:46.660
I mean, you don't, and you pointed out rule four, compare yourself to who you were yesterday,
00:48:54.500
That's, that's a good maxim to live by because no one else is really like you in any, any
00:49:02.180
I mean, obviously people have their similarities, but the conditions of your life truly are unique
00:49:06.540
and what the way to, to, you need an ideal to pursue, compare myself to other people to
00:49:14.760
establish that ideal, but you don't really, you have to figure out who you are and then try
00:49:21.740
And one of the things I tried to do in that rule is outline why that's good enough.
00:49:26.720
Like you can make incremental changes over who you are right now.
00:49:31.300
And those incremental changes will compound and transform you across time.
00:49:35.680
It's a really, really powerful way of looking at the world.
00:49:38.380
And it stops you from being bitter and resentful.
00:49:41.380
I mean, part of the problem is, is when you look at someone who you think is doing better
00:49:45.260
than you, I mean, look, perhaps they are, we don't want to be naive about it.
00:49:51.160
You know, if you're admiring a celebrity and you think, well, I'd love to have a life
00:49:56.720
You, you see the celebrity as a very low resolution hero.
00:50:03.160
You have no idea how they're doing across 10 or 11 dimensions of comparison that the dimensions
00:50:10.140
It's better to think about who you are now to take stock of your flaws and your virtues
00:50:23.540
And you don't have to be bitter and, and resentful because you're not who you think someone else
00:50:29.200
So maybe the social media feeds that, you know.
00:50:32.600
I'm a 22 year recovering alcoholic and, um, I discovered something about myself that I,
00:50:42.220
When I first started my journey into figuring out really who I was late in life in my thirties,
00:50:48.180
um, I, uh, uh, I, I stopped and I really didn't, it wasn't a real conscience, a conscious, uh,
00:51:01.020
Um, and then I, I was motivated to continue to look deep inside of me.
00:51:06.240
And I realized at that time, the reason why I think I was afraid, and I don't know if this
00:51:10.800
trans, uh, you know, transfers to other people, but, uh, I was afraid cause I was afraid there
00:51:20.120
That, and that is people's deepest fears that there's, that really there's nothing valuable
00:51:26.880
And I, I truly believe that is deeply, deeply wrong.
00:51:30.880
Like one of the things I've tried to do in 12 rules for life is to take a very stark
00:51:39.200
Like I do believe that our lives are fundamentally tragic.
00:51:43.020
You know, we, we grow old, we get sick, we die.
00:51:48.100
We're, we're finite creatures, you know, and there is real malevolence and evil in the
00:51:53.660
And not only in the hearts of other people, but definitely in our own hearts.
00:51:57.880
And so the conditions of existence are very dire in some sense, tragedy and evil.
00:52:03.500
But I do believe that there are ways of living in the world that enable us to transcend that.
00:52:08.840
And that the old idea that we each have a light inside of us that if turned on will illuminate
00:52:16.900
I think that, that human spirit is more powerful than death and evil.
00:52:21.720
And that if you live a truthful life, and if you live a life that's oriented towards the
00:52:27.100
highest good, that you can withstand the burden of being and you can discover within yourself
00:52:32.400
something that's, well, that's that spark of divinity that unites you with God.
00:52:37.180
Back with more from Jordan Peterson here in just a moment.
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The book is called 12 Rules for Life, An Antidote to Chaos.
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If you don't know who Jordan Peterson is, he is so right in where people live right now.
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He is, he's controversial right now because he's saying the things that we all know are
00:53:16.840
And many of his followers on, on YouTube are young men.
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They're starving to hear what does it mean to be a man?
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We covered the, uh, presidential, uh, speech last hour, and we will continue here in about,
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uh, 34 minutes, uh, with some more analysis on what happened in Washington last night.
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It was, it was absolutely amazing, but we're joined now, uh, by Jordan Peterson.
00:55:37.540
It's called 12 Rules for Life, an Antidote to Chaos.
00:55:41.320
Um, Jordan, I have been, I've been watching you now for a few months and, uh, I saw, you
00:55:46.820
know, something that you just did on the BBC where the presenter was, was after you from
00:55:52.260
There wasn't an honest question I didn't feel, uh, from the get-go.
00:55:56.460
She was trying, it was almost like every question was like, come on, fight with me.
00:56:01.780
What is it that you're saying that is making so many people just angry?
00:56:11.420
Well, I'm calling out the identity politics types on the left and, and in a really, in a
00:56:21.860
But you're doing it, but you're doing it with facts.
00:56:23.980
You're doing it with, with ease and gentleness and kindness.
00:56:30.540
Because, you know, what, if the, the, the radical leftists have to paint everybody who opposes
00:56:36.860
them as some kind of supervillain, because if they don't, if the person who opposes them
00:56:44.920
And that means that reasonable people can critique the radical left.
00:56:51.060
And that makes me more threatening rather than less.
00:56:55.420
And I mean, I believe that the radical leftists have pretty much destroyed the humanities.
00:57:00.160
And that's a terrible thing because they're at the core of the university.
00:57:04.180
And I also believe in, there was an article in the Boston Globe just this last week, making
00:57:08.900
exactly the same case, that the corruption of the humanities is now spreading out into the
00:57:14.940
broader public, into corporations and so forth, often through the back door of human resources.
00:57:20.280
And I'm pointing all this out, the pathological legislation that's been passed in camp, for
00:57:25.120
example, requiring compelled speech that result in the inquisition of a teaching assistant
00:57:33.080
And yeah, and people aren't very happy with me as a consequence, because I'm describing
00:57:42.680
It's really wrong for us to degenerate back into tribalism.
00:57:55.040
We are in several tribes and we're all really doing it.
00:58:12.380
Whether he knows it or not, there is a movement, a global movement that is building underneath
00:58:23.660
A lot of young people are really listening to him and following him.
00:58:28.700
And he is articulating universal principles that haven't been articulated this way in a long
00:58:35.500
In his new book, 12 Rules for Life, he says things like this.
00:58:38.540
Confront the chaos of being, take aim against the sea of troubles, specify your destination
00:58:44.320
and chart your course, admit what you want, tell those around you who you are, narrow
00:58:49.940
and gaze attentively and move forward forthrightly.
00:58:54.640
We were talking about before the break, something that, and this was a kind of reminded me of
00:59:00.600
a recent article about a sort of an alt-right conspiracy gathering in New York City.
00:59:05.240
And a bunch of reporters went to it and they started asking, trying to fish around for
00:59:11.040
And one of them said this, we're not ideological, we're tribal.
00:59:15.580
We don't care about the politics as much as we care about pissing people off and trolling
00:59:20.900
Doctor, before we went to the break, you mentioned the way we are starting to degenerate into tribalism.
00:59:27.040
I think people now are starting to look at tribalism as a positive.
00:59:30.840
Well, people, when they lose their unifying purpose, they degenerate into tribalism.
00:59:37.320
You saw that happening, for example, in Yugoslavia when the wall fell and the Soviet Empire collapsed.
00:59:44.080
People degenerate back into their tribal groups.
00:59:47.080
Now, look, when you move from being a child to being an adult, you have to pass through a
00:59:54.060
period of time where your primary affiliation is to the group.
00:59:57.240
That's what happens when you're a teenager and a young adult.
01:00:02.660
You have to take your place as a member of a group.
01:00:05.780
But that isn't where your development should end.
01:00:08.060
You should then transcend the group and become an individual.
01:00:11.440
And then you're part of the force that establishes and renews the group as well as just being
01:00:18.220
And it's that transcendent identity as an individual that enables different groups to live together
01:00:25.740
on the same territory peacefully because I can come out of my group as a forthright and
01:00:30.560
honest individual and you can come out of your group the same way and we can communicate
01:00:34.920
and negotiate and we can figure out how to cooperate and compete peacefully and to trade
01:00:40.520
and all of that without degenerating into tribal murderousness.
01:00:44.240
Now, what's happening in our culture is that the radical left is attempting to establish
01:00:52.900
You're not just talking about the United States.
01:00:55.860
This is happening all over the world, but particularly in the West.
01:01:01.000
And the radical left narrative is that there's no superordinate narrative.
01:01:07.200
The world is a landscape of competing power interests and those power interests.
01:01:27.380
They're these essential elements that no one can change and that the entire world is just
01:01:33.280
a battleground of power between those competing groups and that some of them oppress the others.
01:01:42.600
The right wing looks at that, the radical right, and says, OK, if the world is nothing
01:01:48.180
but a battleground between power groups, then I'm going to pick my power group, whatever it
01:01:55.520
And so they both end up playing this extraordinarily dangerous group identity game, and there's
01:02:10.460
And I ask you this as a Canadian, because that way you're not getting into politics.
01:02:16.400
As an outsider, we've lost our national identity, and we don't know who we are anymore.
01:02:23.620
As an outsider looking in, what is the identity that all Americans could and should unite
01:02:35.240
It's that America is a place where people judge on their confidence and are able to compete.
01:02:41.280
Doctor, I don't know if you've moved into another room or something, but we're losing you, and
01:02:52.520
Is that I don't know what's wrong with the connections?
01:03:02.560
All right, so go ahead, and I'll tell you if we drop out.
01:03:06.120
Well, okay, so, well, the United States is a beacon to the world, as far as I'm concerned.
01:03:15.620
We're going to have to stop and see if we can get a new connection with you.
01:03:19.760
We're going to call you right back and see if we can get a new connection.
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Jordan Peterson is the author of 12 Rules for Life.
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It's an antidote to chaos, which a clear cell phone connection is also a little chaotic.
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We're talking to Dr. Jordan Peterson from Canada.
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He is a new favorite of mine and really, I mean, just so clear in his thinking.
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He has a huge global following that has been building for a while.
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You know, the average person in the media or, you know, in universities would say, you know, oh, that's what they want to hear.
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What does that mean, Jordan, to when you're talking to these guys?
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Well, they're starving for the idea that their life has purpose, a recognition of the idea that their life has purpose.
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And so I tell them, well, there's things to do out there in the world.
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And that the world is a lesser place if you don't take your place in it.
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You know, I tell them that they're made in the image of God, like the old stories say.
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God, every time I talk about this, it breaks me up.
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That they have something beneficial that they have to bring into the world.
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It's that that stops the world from degenerating into hell.
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And that it truly is important for you to get out of bed in the morning and to face the world honestly.
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Without that, everyone suffers stupidly and miserably.
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Like you can't just hide in the basement and shirk your responsibilities.
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It's just good to stand up and take on the burden of the world.
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And to pick up your damn cross and walk up the hill.
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And that people aren't one dot and one speck among 7 billion.
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And we could do something remarkable together if we aimed high and spoke the truth.
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Some of your prescriptions are pretty tough for this, though.
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And looking at, you know, rule 6 is one that pops out to me.
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Because this is something I've found over and over again that people absolutely despise doing with themselves.
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Which is set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world.
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That is something that people don't want to do.
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Well, I think what you do is what I tried to do in that chapter is that chapter is about kids who shot up the Columbine High School.
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And I try to describe in detail the motivations for doing such things.
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And people who do such things have very powerful motivations for doing them.
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They're very angry about the conditions of existence.
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Well, they're willing to take revenge on the most innocent.
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I mean, that's what the guy who shot up their school in Connecticut did.
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Like, well, how the hell do you get into a situation like that?
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And you get resentful for your part in the tragedy.
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But to retreat and to become resentful and bitter is only to multiply the problem.
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It's an anti-activist injunction, I would say, to some degree.
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Like, for the last 50 years, we've encouraged young people to go out there and stop the people who are doing bad things from doing them.
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And I just think that's a counterproductive way of living in the world.
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It's like you should stop the bad things that you're doing and you should straighten up your life.
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And then you should straighten up your family's life and then your community's life.
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And then everything will be straight and proper.
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Then maybe we won't degenerate back into that brutal tribalism that characterized the 21st century and wipe ourselves out.
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I have found these things myself over the last few years and to be true.
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And people will say, well, you can't surrender and retreat and you can't just let it go by.
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I'm just not playing that game because it gets us nowhere.
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And I can make an impact in my own home and in my own life.
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Like, you know, it's not that easy to set your family in order.
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And if you do that, you'll learn something deep.
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You know, if you can make peace with your brothers and your sisters,
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and if you can make peace with your parents and your past,
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and you can make your own house peaceful and productive,
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then you've learned some deep psychological and practical truth.
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And then when you go out into the world and attempt to do things,
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you're going to be first on a very solid footing because you'll have lots of support
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and you won't be tortured by a never-ending stream of domestic hell and idiocy.
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And you'll be ready to do things in the world that are appropriate and proper.
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It's not like setting your house in order is trivial.
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You admit that there is evil in the world, and it is profound.
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That's one of the most self-evident things about the world.
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And people will hear this because I've heard this from people.
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And you're, you know, it's just a retreat from evil because that's just not going to stop.
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Can you connect the dot to the chaos in our own life and then the evil that is out?
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That's the thing is that the best place to begin the process of constraining evil is in your own heart.
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Like, you know, I've studied totalitarian brutality for 30 years.
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And one of the things that I taught my students, well, since the early 1990s, is that if they were...
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If each of them was placed in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, there's an overwhelming probability that they would be Nazis.
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Like, everybody thinks, no, I'd be Schindler rescuing the Jews.
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You'd be on the side of the majority, just like you are now in all probability.
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And if the temptation was put in front of you to do the terrible things that were offered to the people who did the terrible things the Nazis and the communists did,
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then it's really probable that you would do those.
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And it's also really probable that you're doing such things already on a smaller scale.
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You're not working up to your potential at work.
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There's all sorts of things that you're doing in your life that are small examples of the things that get out of control in tyrannical societies.
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Lots of people are tyrants in their own little domain.
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I'm sure that you have read the book Ordinary Men on how men in Poland, they did with compassion at first, and they turned into monsters.
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It's a slow, gradual thing that you just don't see.
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Oh, that's a great and terrible book, Ordinary Men.
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I have a reading list on my website, and that's one of the books that's on the reading list,
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because that is a great example of how you move to perdition one step at a time,
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and how perfectly ordinary people can be trained, even against their own will in some sense,
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against their own better instincts to become, well, committers of atrocity.
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When I read history, I don't read it as an innocent bystander.
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I read history as a perpetrator, and that's the right way to read history.
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We have a list of books to read as well, and it's quite long, but move this to the top of your list.
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Move this up on your list of things to do or watch.
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He is so well-spoken, so well-thought-out, and a voice of common sense that you just don't hear very often anymore.
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Jordan Peterson, again, the name of the book, 12 Rules for Life.
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All right, we go back to the Capitol and the president's speech last night.
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Last night, the Democrats chose somebody to deliver the Democratic response that really kind of shows how out of touch they really are.
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If you're going after white, wealthy, and privileged, you don't pick a Kennedy to deliver the message.
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Democrats continue to claim that they are the party of diversity and the poor, but last night, the grandson of Robert Kennedy was handpicked, of course, by Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.
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Two white, wealthy, and privileged people desperately clinging to the glory days of the Democratic Party.
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So blinded by their perception of the past that they refused to address the Kennedy family history.
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Which, just I would like to point out, does include a history of deception, infidelity, sexual misconduct, oh, and murder.
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Leaving a woman on the floorboard of a car, you know, to die because you didn't want to get caught having sex with her.
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How do you put a Kennedy on the pedestal during the Me Too movement?
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Does anyone remember he left her to die to cover it all up?
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Mary Jo Kopechny was the former secretary of Joe Kennedy's grandfather.
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Again, the secretary of the guy last night that they picked, the secretary of the grandfather, I'm sorry, Joe, I'm sorry, let's get this right.
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Mary Jo Kopechny was the secretary of the grandfather that they had on last night.
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And it's not like after that, the Kennedy's like went, oh, you know what?
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Ah, if I may quote Nancy Pelosi, you better check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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If Trump's election didn't send a clear message that the American people are done with political dynasties, I don't know what will.
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Nancy, Chuck, there's so much here to learn from.
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Did you notice, like, something wrong with his.
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Maybe it was just the way the lights were on him.
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So, Joe Kennedy last night delivered the address.
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I don't think anybody was watching by that time.
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And here to talk about it, the man we assigned is Jeff Fisher.
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And, you know, hey, this country from textiles to robots is a place that knows how to make great things.
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It's amazing to have someone actually watch the, watch this and not have to actually deal with viewing it myself.
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Because I did not, I did not want to hear any of the content of it.
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I kind of figured it would be like, oh, textiles.
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I'm kind of disappointed because of, you know, because it was, you know, Kennedy.
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I, look, it would be easy to dismiss the past year as chaos, Glenn.
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But something you measure by your net worth, your celebrity, your headlines, your crowd size.
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Because the Democrats have never played any identity politics when it comes to celebrity.
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They didn't have the first celebrity president or anything.
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That's not how they promoted Barack Obama with his giant rallies or anything like that.
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This is only, only Donald Trump, a brand new thing for Republicans.
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So what else did he, what else do you talk about?
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Look, they're turning American life into a zero sum game, Glenn, where in order to win, another must lose.
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Where we can guarantee America's safety if we slash our safety net.
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Is it like Jeffy even watched this or is he just quoting everything?
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He definitely, he definitely, I think he's, I can say this.
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I'm sensing from, as, as we talked to him, I'm getting, he definitely saw the video.
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So, uh, well, look, well, I mean, I, we choose an economy strong enough to boast record stock
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prices and brave enough to admit the top CEOs making 300 times the average worker is not
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And I'd just like to say to all the dreamers, let me be clear in the camera.
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When you say that, will you just like to say to all this, this camera, this camera here.
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He actually went to, so you're saying he, this is amazing.
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He actually went into, broke into the Spanish, uh, to pander even more to the dreamers, which
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again, we already found out in the Trump part of the speech that saying that Americans can
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And now apparently, uh, so offensive, uh, that they had to pan double pander to the, uh,
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the Hispanic audience, uh, by actually breaking into, I, I, I just don't like, I, I do have
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to, I do have to point, I do have to point out that last night, I mean, I, I, I saw a little
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I didn't watch the whole thing, but, uh, it was like, it was like Joe Kennedy had a chapstick
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I think everybody heard the words that he said about proudly marching together.
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Thousands deep in the streets of Vegas, Philadelphia, Nashville.
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I mean, looks that's, you're not supposed to pay attention.
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Well, I didn't, I used to, when people quote Joe Kennedy's words, they tend to have, they
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tend to have a little bit, uh, uh, of a, of a, I don't know if I would call it an accident,
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um, but they seem to have an issue with chapstick when they quote his word.
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Jeffy, did you, did you, did you see any of that?
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I mean, uh, look, politicians, politicians can be cheered for the promises they make.
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I wouldn't normally recommend people view a Jeffy segment, uh, instead of just listening.
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Now, if you think that you, uh, may have missed, uh, some of that, uh, we just gave you
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the, uh, the information, uh, so we've fulfilled our obligation here.
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Uh, but there might've been a little mocking going on visually, uh, visually a little bit
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of mocking and, uh, you look great though, Jeffy, you look great.
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So seriously, the chapstick thing, what happened?
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It just started spreading all over his face until it was like in clumps.
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I mean, at first I thought, is he like drooling?
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That is what, that is what happens when something, because this happened once to Ted Cruz.
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You remember this during one of the debates, he had a little bit of spittle on his lip and
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he was having a great debate at the time and then a little white spittle and that was
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I thought that was the best speech I've ever heard him give.
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We were broadcasting it on Blaze Radio Network and they reminded us that it was, you know,
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And if you're, you know, they're, look, if you're for a job, I mean, the African caucus,
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the African-American caucus gave him no credit.
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The other Democrats of the other caucuses gave him nothing.
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I'm not saying I'm having a difficult time taking you seriously right now, but there's
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a little, there's a small part of me that's having, I don't know.
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It's really funny because I can talk to him like this.
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Yeah, that was, he goes all in on that stuff, man.
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We have about six inches of Vaseline on his face now.
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Oil prices are going up from the amount of Vaseline used in the last few minutes.
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That's when we got, we got to put that on Facebook and Twitter today.
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We also have a bunch of audio we need to get to at some point from the actual speech.
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Now, tonight at five o'clock, we are going to go, go through a few things.
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One, were you, did, am I alone in the way I felt?
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I thought it was the best speech he's ever given.
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I think it's one of the best speeches politically I've heard in a long time.
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I think Barack Obama will feel like he hit him in the face for 45 minutes, but I don't,
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It's so much more effective than, you know, calling Barack Obama a name or saying he was
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It was just, it was just the repudiation of everything he did.
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He got into spending, which is, you know, over $2 trillion of spending, which I am absolutely
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However, uh, what was amazing to me was the Democrats, they were given everything they
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I mean, the only thing he didn't say was, and you know what?
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I mean, it was, and they wouldn't have clapped for that.
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I think to the average person, 46% of Democrats thought this was a really good speech approved
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40, 43, I believe it was, but that's incredibly high for something like this for Trump, especially
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97% of Republicans, but the overall was 75% approval for a speech like that is incredibly
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I mean, even, even the highly praised by the media, Barack Obama speeches didn't have
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So I really liked the speech all the way through.
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Um, I liked the way he handled it and I can, I can praise him not for the policies, but for
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what he was trying to do and reaching out to the left, but they want to know part of
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It was, it was remarkable, but am I the only one?
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Cause I haven't heard anybody else say this today.
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You, you, you brought that up and I know you were going to go over this today at 5 PM,
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really dissecting it because it's kind of like new war and classic war.
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Let's stay with the new war and I'm going to compare cause this is not the same.
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This is not what people my age have lived through.
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If we go to war with North Korea, it'll probably be much more like world war two.
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You know, I mean, I, I was not surprised to see him hit North Korea.
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He, and it was right after the ISIS, uh, section section.
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So it felt like there was a natural flow to it.
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But I mean, you know, if you think about it, I didn't pick it up at the time, but as you
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laid out the case, and I know you're going to do that again at five tonight on the blaze.
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Um, not only did he focus on it, he used a very, I think, precise language.
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Uh, and then he illustrated it emotionally with multiple guests to show you how bad North
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I mean, it's one thing to, to, um, uh, to do the, uh, the guy on the crutches.
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Because that was, that was emotional and it was really powerful.
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And if you're my age, it reminds you of the cold war.
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And he was sending a message to the people who lived through the cold war.
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Uh, and then with the, the family of, you know, the warm beer family, whose son went
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over, was, was arrested on a stupid charge of taking something off of a bulletin board
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They tortured him for a year, dumped his body over here in the United States.
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That one, quite honestly, that's, that's, that is act of war stuff.
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And the way it was presented last night was, look, here's the evil and here's what they
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It was, it was, I'm hoping that it is posturing for North Korea, but it is also historically
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speaking, that feels like laying the foundation of we're going for these guys.
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You felt like it was a case, like an axis of evil type of case, right?
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I, I, this was, this was, uh, this is an evil empire.
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It was, it was Reagan's, uh, evil empire speech, which I support and I support what Donald Trump
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You know, I've always said, I want a president with a twitchy eye, which means I want somebody
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that the, the, the, the, the, the foes don't know this guy could do it.
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And the problem is Donald Trump has like two twitchy eyes and like a, and a twitchy leg.
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So it makes me a little nervous if he's just doing this to scare North Korea, which is the
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And he's, he does that really well, but there is also a chance that we are preparing for
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And I'm going to also lay out the case tonight.
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That is a, that is an entirely different thing than the wars we have seen in the last
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Have you read anywhere about the congressman that walked out on the speech last night?
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I mean, do you remember the hoopla around Joe Wilson when he said, you lie?
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And as it turns out, a couple of years later, it's true.
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But you remember how you don't do, you don't treat the president of the United States this way.
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Did anybody notice that the Democrats sat on their hands for the first lady?
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I mean, it's not like, you know, and you shouldn't do this with anyone.
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But, I mean, Hillary Clinton, you could say, became partisan because she got involved in
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The Democrats last night, at least in my view, blew it, if I may quote the president, bigly.
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Last night, if you were a Democrat and you heard the first part of the speech, and I don't
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mean like a crazy, you know, I, you know, I'm out in the street marching every, I just mean
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a regular person, you know, you're just, you don't vote for the Republicans, but, you know.
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And you heard that Donald Trump last night, who sounded reasoned and reasonable.
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You may not have liked the first 45 minutes, because maybe you're politics.
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But when he started in on the gravy train of, hey, I've got four pillars on, on reform for
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And the first one is DACA and a path to citizenship, not securing the border, path to citizenship.
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I mean, that's, remember, DACA is not path, is not a path to citizenship.
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When, when, when you heard that, when you heard that there was the, the, the lowest
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unemployment rating for the, uh, for African Americans and the camera went on the black
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caucus and they all were sitting on their hands, you, you realized these guys are not
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If I had access to the Oval Office today, I would walk in and say, Mr. President, you
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know exactly who I am and how I feel about you.
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That was one of the best speeches I think a president has given in a long time.
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I'd like to work with you on the teleprompter thing just a little bit.
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And I really want to kiss the feet of the writer of this.
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70% of it is something that I've waited to hear for a long time.
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I want you to hear what he said last night in case you missed it.
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The first pillar of our framework generously offers a path to citizenship for 1.8 million
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illegal immigrants who were brought here by their parents at a young age.
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That covers almost three times more people than the previous administration covered.
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Under our plan, those who meet education and work requirements and show good moral character
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will be able to become full citizens of the United States over a 12-year period.
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That means building a great wall on the southern border.
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And it means hiring more heroes like CJ to keep our communities safe.
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Crucially, our plan closes the terrible loopholes exploited by criminals and terrorists to enter
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our country, and it finally ends the horrible and dangerous practice of catch and release.
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The third pillar ends the visa lottery, a program that randomly hands out green cards
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without any regard for skill, merit, or the safety of American people.
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It's time to begin moving toward a merit-based immigration system.
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One that admits people who are skilled, who want to work, who will contribute to our society,
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The fourth and final pillar protects the nuclear family by ending chain migration.
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So you notice his eyes went right over to the left when he said citizenship.
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If their principle really was trying to get this passed, they should have stood up and cheered
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because no other Republican would have ever suggested that, that has the support of the right.
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Imagine if Ted Cruz would have said that, Marco Rubio.
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So now, today, you have a president who is still being supported.
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You have your little gift in exchange for what we want.
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Nobody's ever suggested this before, and you sat on your hands?
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They sat on their hands for, we need to put America first.
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And they're like, oh, I don't want America first.
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We've worked hard in getting us, you know, 24th in math.
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It's actually your responsibility, right, as a representative to treat.
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I mean, you know, there's a little bit of connotation with that phrase going back historically.
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I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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It's not what I think the majority were thinking.
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But I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt on America first.
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You gave them the path to citizenship, which you've been yelling about for years and years and years.
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They didn't stand as a black caucus did not even clap when he said.
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Principles is a great thing to focus on here because you're right.
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If their principle was to actually help out people who are on DACA, help out dreamers, help out people who want to become citizens.
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What have Republicans been beaten up on and lost their potential politically for?
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You know, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Lindsey Graham, John McCain.
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None of them suggested what Trump suggested last night.
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If Jeb Bush would have won the presidency, A, it would have been even a weirder parallel universe.
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But if he would have won the presidency, let me tell you this, man.
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If he gave that part of that speech at the State of the Union last night, if it was Jeb Bush, oh, my gosh, it would be an.
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I mean, there might be riots in the streets with Republicans.
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And this is why it's so clear they don't care about these immigrants at all.
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If they cared about them, they could take advantage of this.
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Trump is giving a, I think, a legitimate attempt at saying, look, I understand you guys want this done.
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I want a couple of changes to tighten up the immigration system.
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He's saying, I will give you your side of this.
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Think of the power they would have had if they would have gone on.
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If they would have got up last night on just the first one, just the first one, you don't have to stand up for all three pillars, just the first one.
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And then bid on today and say, well, I have a problem with the second, third, and fourth pillar, but we can get that at the negotiating table.
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You then at least have the illusion of fairness and I'm willing to work together.
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Pat, how do you balance the two sides of this speech, which if you define it this way, one presentation, positive vision of America, a lot of legitimate accomplishments, some real success and results, and balance that against some policy prescriptions for the future, including $2 trillion and mass amnesty and citizenship and family leave care and infrastructure?
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And, I mean, do you just take this as a positive moment of the presidency or do you worry about what he's suggesting?
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This has been the problem with this president from the beginning is, you know, he's not a true conservative.
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So during the first year, we were actually pleasantly surprised that most of his policies seemed to be the things he got done were pretty much conservative.
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But now, in year two, he's starting to show you the rest of his agenda, which includes all the things you mentioned.
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And that's what we were afraid of in the beginning.
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And that's why I wasn't a huge Trump supporter from the start.
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But for Democrats not to come along on this, they could have big wins right now.
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And for them to just discount all of that because of their sheer, unadulterated hatred for the man, really bad politically, I think.
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I have a percolating theory here on the best way to get conservative things out of the Trump White House.
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And I don't know that I necessarily have proved this out yet, but I think there's a theory here.
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There's something here, which is part one, Donald Trump suggests something liberal.
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This is how you get conservative stuff out of the White House.
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Part one, Donald Trump announces he wants to do something that's liberal.
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Part two, the Democrats, being the awful human beings that they are in most cases that are in Congress, no matter what he said, even if it's something really liberal that they're supposed to like, they treat him like he's Hitler.
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And so in response from being treated like he was Hitler, he gets so pissed off, he goes the opposite direction and gets something really conservative done.
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I mean, it's not an implied—it's happened, I feel like, with some of these things.
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Where there's been this trial balloon of something liberal.
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And then on the other side, he's like, you know what?
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In fact, we're going 20 steps the other direction.
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I thought it was an important moment when his eyes shifted.
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His eyes shifted over to the left and—or his right, and he looked over at the Democrats, and he looked on the word path to citizenship.
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He—they might have expected, I'll give you DACA.
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And he looked over like, try this one on for size.
01:45:56.180
That was a—I would—I believe that Donald Trump is the kind of guy who—he does not offer candy and flowers very often.
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He offered sugar last night, and they rejected him and, quite honestly, acted wildly inappropriate on the things they should have loved.
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And honestly, Democrats, you are blowing it because you could, A, get these things.
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You could, A, get these things, and, B, you could look like you're working together.
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You are going to go down as a party that is out of step with about 40% of your base.
01:46:47.800
You know, they keep saying, well, you know, Donald Trump only has 37% of support of, you know, the country.
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Well, how much—what is the support with conservatives?
01:47:00.840
So Donald Trump is out of step with about 20% of conservatives.
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43% last night said that was a really good speech of Democrats.
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You are out of step with more of your base than he is out of step with.
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You better wake up because the Democrat in the middle of the country doesn't hate God, doesn't hate the country, you know, is not for all of this, you know, 93 gender crap.
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That's not who they are, and they're not going there.
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And then the Democrats have the nerve to trot out a Kennedy for the rebuttal.
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The secretary of his grandfather was Mary Jo Kopechny.
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So it was weird that we had Chapstick Aquidic last night.
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A couple things, one more important than the other.
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A, the audacity of Melania Trump to wear white in January last night.
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And all of the representatives got onto a train.
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Not all of them, but many of them got onto a train.
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No word on why the garbage truck was there, how that accident happened, but several people
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No official word on injuries yet, though it seems like there's several representatives that
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were on the train that have tweeted they're okay, you know, but there are some injuries.
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It does look like the truck did not make out well in that battle, which tends to happen
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There are some pictures of the truck and there is a lot of garbage all over the place.
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So is there any clue as to why the garbage truck is?
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I mean, is there a possibility that, I mean, there's something other than just a truck
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You know, I mean, it doesn't seem like it was anything, although it's obviously, you
01:51:53.040
know, something you want to look into whenever any of these things happen, but it doesn't
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seem to be anything so far, at least, that would lead you to believe anything other than
01:52:00.980
And they're treating, apparently, the driver of the truck.
01:52:06.280
I mean, you treat them in hope that maybe he's still alive at some level.
01:52:10.840
Well, you're not treating them if they're dead.
01:52:13.080
Yeah, but you are going to do everything you can, right?
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And also, I will say, it's probably a representative's word from 100 yards away, so they're not going
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It's scary, especially with the, you know, last year of GOP.
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I mean, I wouldn't have thought of that, you know, before the shooting last year over the