The Glenn Beck Program - October 24, 2018


10⧸24⧸18 - Best of The Program - Guests, Dr. Debra W. Soh & Rep. Roger Williams


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Glenn Beck is back with an update on the migrant caravan and the latest on the latest in polls. He also talks about gender identity and what it means to be a woman in the 21st century. And he talks to a man who was on the field when a gunman opened fire on a Republican baseball field.

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00:00:08.520 Hello. Welcome to the podcast.
00:00:11.100 We spoke like that on the entire podcast today.
00:00:13.700 It was great. Except we did it with English accents. 1.00
00:00:15.760 Yes.
00:00:16.220 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Podcast. We're really excited to share what we have for you today.
00:00:20.920 We have an update on the caravan, which is getting even worse.
00:00:26.500 Who's funding that thing?
00:00:27.560 Yeah. Who's funding it, and are there other caravans headed our way?
00:00:31.200 Wait until you hear the update.
00:00:32.640 We look into a New York Times story about the definition of gender,
00:00:37.640 which they say is a feeling you have in your head as opposed to something between your legs.
00:00:44.320 And we actually have a person who studies these things for a, you know, these issues for a living,
00:00:50.220 Dr. Deborah So, who's a scientist that actually has her head on straight and can talk about these things in real terms.
00:00:58.300 It was pretty interesting.
00:00:59.160 It's kind of a risky conversation, if you will, but you don't want to miss that.
00:01:04.340 Also, today, with the White House and Obama and the Clintons and CNN finding, you know, suspicious packages,
00:01:15.360 we thought it was appropriate to talk to Roger Williams today.
00:01:19.220 He's a congressman from Texas that was on the ball field when the Republicans were all shot at and someone was trying to kill all of them.
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00:01:38.680 He wanted to put an end to the Republicans.
00:01:41.360 When will this stop?
00:01:42.920 And we have the latest in polls, some of them tightening for Republicans.
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00:03:08.040 Glenn, back.
00:03:09.260 My gosh.
00:03:10.260 Have you noticed that the press is not concerned at all about this caravan?
00:03:16.940 They say this caravan's not going to make it up to the United States.
00:03:20.560 This is just nonsense.
00:03:22.880 And why are they talking about it now?
00:03:25.420 Really?
00:03:25.720 So is the caravan a political message or a weapon?
00:03:30.860 The 7,000-strong migrant caravan now appears to be both.
00:03:36.860 We know that this migrant invasion force was organized in Honduras by the leftist political party
00:03:43.220 looking to embarrass the current right-wing government.
00:03:47.020 We know that.
00:03:48.240 You're not going to hear that on television.
00:03:50.800 You're not going to hear that from the leftist mainstream news.
00:03:54.880 You won't hear it because that hurts their case.
00:03:59.180 They want everybody to look like they're just weak and helpless and children.
00:04:05.520 Making a 2,500-mile march?
00:04:10.900 Wow.
00:04:11.780 That seems pretty strong to me.
00:04:14.580 This entire charade has been one giant political stunt.
00:04:21.920 But the question on my mind is, who's paying for this?
00:04:26.660 Moving 7,000 people is incredibly expensive and difficult.
00:04:31.480 What about the people who can't make it to 2,500 miles?
00:04:36.640 What about the people who might have heat stroke, might have an accident, break their leg, spring their ankle?
00:04:47.820 What happens to them?
00:04:49.360 Is there any medical treatment?
00:04:50.900 You would think that the left would be really, really, really intent on finding who's providing the water?
00:05:01.280 Who's providing the food?
00:05:03.500 How are these people?
00:05:04.580 You're not just going into a town with 7,500 people and everybody going to a restaurant.
00:05:10.320 How are these people eating?
00:05:12.360 Is there no heart on the left?
00:05:18.320 Can somebody tell me?
00:05:20.240 I'm concerned about their health.
00:05:22.240 I'm concerned about their welfare.
00:05:24.280 I'm concerned about their health care.
00:05:26.640 How do you move 7,000 people and not have people starve?
00:05:31.180 How do you move 7,000 people and not have people need water?
00:05:36.740 Basic sanitary conditions.
00:05:40.220 What is happening?
00:05:41.640 How about the children?
00:05:42.760 How about the babies that are in strollers?
00:05:46.040 Are those strollers built for a 2,500-mile march?
00:05:53.000 Shouldn't somebody, shouldn't CNN be down there asking the questions, raising the money for better strollers?
00:06:04.220 These poor children.
00:06:08.280 Now, who could write this check?
00:06:11.640 Who is writing the check for all of this?
00:06:14.280 Well, I asked Governor Abbott about it yesterday in an interview.
00:06:17.580 Who's funding all this?
00:06:19.500 He hinted that the Trump administration was fully aware.
00:06:22.700 Now, my question is, did Mike Pence let the cat out of the bag yesterday from the Oval Office?
00:06:29.500 Mike Pence, our vice president, said, quote,
00:06:32.720 At the president's direction, I spoke to President Hernandez of Honduras.
00:06:38.740 He told me that the caravan that is now making its way through Mexico headed for our southern border is organized by leftist organizations and financed by Venezuela.
00:06:51.440 Now, that puts this caravan into a completely different context, doesn't it?
00:07:06.260 This caravan of poor migrant workers has suddenly become an invasion force financed by a radical revolutionary Marxist in the president of Venezuela.
00:07:24.420 So, it seems to be perhaps more than just a Honduran political message.
00:07:32.220 This is a weaponized attack.
00:07:34.480 But I know CNN doesn't want to cover that.
00:07:39.960 Can you just please find out, do they have enough water?
00:07:44.980 Who's bringing that water in?
00:07:47.380 Can you please have some compassion and just find out who's feeding these people?
00:07:54.500 Who's caring for their medical needs on a 2,500-mile journey?
00:07:59.440 Can you please find that out for the love of humanity?
00:08:06.520 I pointed out on multiple occasions the caravan organizers have ties to both Castro and Maduro in Venezuela and Cuba.
00:08:15.620 This new information from Mike Pence makes sense.
00:08:18.900 If you're Venezuelan President Maduro, you want to attack the United States, but you barely have enough money to buy any toilet paper, how do you do it?
00:08:27.740 Well, you don't use conventional means.
00:08:30.820 You reach out to your allies, your revolutionaries, your Marxist zealots in South America, and you organize and fund thousands of people to flood the U.S. border.
00:08:42.380 It's a pretty inventive way to strike back.
00:08:46.100 Not only is it a form of economic warfare, but it also destabilizes the U.S. political structure.
00:08:52.120 And that's not to mention how many criminal elements might be tagging along.
00:08:57.900 How many Venezuelan or Cuban spies are using this as cover to enter our country?
00:09:04.880 How many terrorists might be riding along with the intention of attacking the U.S. targets?
00:09:10.460 Reports this morning are saying that more than two caravans, two more caravans are currently forming, one in El Salvador and now one in Guatemala.
00:09:22.820 To use a military term, are we being attacked in waves?
00:09:28.360 Was the first caravan of 7,000 just the first wave?
00:09:32.440 How many more will we see?
00:09:34.340 And if this allegation is correct, there is no other way to describe it.
00:09:40.940 The United States is under attack.
00:09:45.340 He's such a conspiracy theorist.
00:09:47.220 Now I say that we're being attacked and these poor little...
00:09:51.300 I know, I know.
00:09:53.420 So, I'm really with you.
00:09:55.200 I only said those things because the Zionist had a gun to my head and I had to say them. 1.00
00:10:02.200 Now I'm free from my Zionist masters. 1.00
00:10:05.720 So, let me just say this to the mainstream media.
00:10:09.200 Please, please find out if they have enough water.
00:10:13.440 And now that water is getting to those 7,000.
00:10:15.980 Please find out if they have enough food.
00:10:19.540 Who's providing that food for them? 0.95
00:10:21.740 Because I want to hold them up on my shoulders.
00:10:24.060 I want to be able to say, look at this generosity.
00:10:27.900 They're scheduling the trucks and paying for the trucks to move the food and the water.
00:10:35.780 And the sanitary conditions, please, please, CNN.
00:10:39.940 Please, just for humanitarian reasons, please find out.
00:10:48.440 Welcome to the program, Stu.
00:10:50.720 Also, we welcome Jason...
00:10:54.220 Now, I don't know which one it is.
00:10:58.460 I'm certainly not going to help you.
00:10:59.940 I'm not going to help you.
00:11:01.800 Jason what?
00:11:02.560 What's his last name?
00:11:03.600 I know his last name, but I don't know.
00:11:05.240 I mean, you know who he is.
00:11:06.120 How many years is he?
00:11:06.540 I never know how to pronounce it now because I can't remember which one's right and which one's wrong.
00:11:10.600 How many years has he worked for you?
00:11:11.620 A long time, huh?
00:11:12.360 I don't recall.
00:11:13.160 Various different roles.
00:11:14.060 I don't recall.
00:11:15.020 Good close friend, I would say.
00:11:17.140 Jason Buttrill is with us now.
00:11:18.740 Wrong one.
00:11:19.140 Jason Buttrill is with us now.
00:11:21.260 Okay, okay.
00:11:22.040 I got it now.
00:11:22.640 All I have to do is concentrate on butt.
00:11:24.700 There you go.
00:11:25.220 There you go.
00:11:25.760 Jason Buttrill is with us.
00:11:26.720 No, wrong one.
00:11:28.480 Jason Buttrill is with us now.
00:11:30.960 It's the same word.
00:11:31.680 It's just different in faucets.
00:11:34.000 That's all it is.
00:11:34.600 You should just, I don't know, maybe pick the right in faucets.
00:11:37.600 All right.
00:11:38.160 All right.
00:11:38.620 Thank you, Stu.
00:11:42.080 That's just not my name.
00:11:44.160 Thank you.
00:11:45.480 And Jason, welcome to the program.
00:11:47.000 Jason has been following this caravan thing for quite a while.
00:11:51.880 And we've been talking about the use of this tactic for, I don't know, years.
00:11:58.800 This is what they're doing to the Israelis. 1.00
00:12:01.560 They have, they are attacking the Israeli borders.
00:12:06.220 And what do they do?
00:12:08.020 The Israelis respond, but the media only covers the response, not the attack.
00:12:14.780 And they never look into who's really funding all of this.
00:12:18.760 It's just, oh, poor Palestinian children want to come over. 1.00
00:12:22.260 No, that's not what it is.
00:12:24.160 That's not what it is.
00:12:25.220 And it appears more and more that that's not what this is either, Jason.
00:12:29.800 Right.
00:12:30.100 And this is something that's, it's kind of amazing when you look at how the media just
00:12:33.980 doesn't cover the things or they don't look in the directions they're supposed to be looking
00:12:37.300 at.
00:12:37.660 And it's amazing to me that our small little media footprint here, we were the only ones
00:12:43.600 to point this out long before anybody else even started catching on.
00:12:47.020 Like you were the first one.
00:12:48.380 I think this was like two and a half weeks ago or something like that.
00:12:50.940 They said, wait a minute, who are these guys that are organizing all this?
00:12:53.960 And when we dug into it, we were like, wow, these are like radical leftists.
00:12:57.320 These are radical leftists with ties to both Maduro and to Raul Castro in Cuba.
00:13:03.340 And the people and the former head of state for Honduras, who was surprise, surprise, Barack
00:13:12.280 Obama said was a coup.
00:13:15.100 Well, no, it was the Supreme Court that said of Honduras that said the president is is acting
00:13:22.460 unconstitutional.
00:13:23.880 He is trying to change the constitution so we can have a military state under his rule.
00:13:31.680 So the Supreme Court said, arrest him and kick him out.
00:13:36.140 Right.
00:13:36.780 That's that's what happened.
00:13:38.380 That's what happened.
00:13:39.540 Now, they're unhappy about that.
00:13:41.780 Now, can you tell me a little bit about Alba?
00:13:43.840 Because most people don't know about Alba.
00:13:45.640 Yeah.
00:13:46.420 So when that that that now deposed leftist Marxist president, when when when he just before
00:13:52.380 he was deposed, he was working on with both Venezuela and Cuba, this massive like I want 0.76
00:13:56.840 to call it like a European Union type alliance within South America.
00:14:02.120 And it was it was called Alba and it was called the I think the acronym was something along the
00:14:06.320 lines of the alliance for the Bolivarian people of our America.
00:14:11.780 America.
00:14:12.440 So it was that was supposed to be the check to U.S. power to rise up in South America.
00:14:17.480 Right.
00:14:17.980 And yeah, our America.
00:14:20.220 And they were going to have their own currency.
00:14:22.580 I don't know about maybe military agreements would have possibly could have followed.
00:14:27.660 I mean, there were big plans for this.
00:14:29.000 I also want to point out that one of the key observers, you know, how like an international
00:14:32.300 international agreements, trade agreements, you have like key outside observers.
00:14:35.140 One of them, their main one was Iran, who is also a ally of Venezuela.
00:14:43.340 Keep that in mind for a little bit later in this discussion when we talk about possible
00:14:46.660 people who are tagging along in some of these caravans.
00:14:49.660 OK, if you have watched and listened to this program and read the things that we have written,
00:14:56.780 you're not surprised.
00:14:57.800 And you are way ahead of the game of what's going on with this caravan.
00:15:03.500 Let's give you some additional information because it's it's.
00:15:08.540 It's very important what Mike Pence said yesterday.
00:15:12.720 Mike Pence came out in the Oval Office and said this is being funded by Venezuela.
00:15:17.460 Now, the mainstream press, they're not going to do anything but ridicule that.
00:15:21.580 But this makes sense.
00:15:24.480 It makes perfect sense.
00:15:25.500 And it does sound crazy when you first hear about it.
00:15:27.820 Like if you're not if you don't know the backstory, you're like Venezuela, you know, like, oh, 1.00
00:15:31.880 here we go again.
00:15:32.680 They can't afford anything.
00:15:34.780 Yeah.
00:15:34.900 There's blaming something on the country so we can get involved or whatever, you know,
00:15:37.700 or yeah.
00:15:38.320 Or how do they even have the money to do this?
00:15:40.620 But it makes perfect sense when you hear when you put it into the context of the relationship
00:15:44.840 that Honduras had with both Venezuela and Cuba.
00:15:48.360 It makes absolutely perfect sense.
00:15:49.900 And in particular, these this group that started this caravan, they are the group that is that
00:15:58.360 backed the ousted Marxist radical president that was ousted in Honduras.
00:16:06.140 Right.
00:16:06.360 And they're they still have a like populist avenue to go to like their goal.
00:16:10.920 Their stated goal is still to restore that president back to power.
00:16:15.360 And he was and they do have kind of a case there and an international case because he
00:16:18.840 was democratically elected.
00:16:20.500 So really, if they can make such a firestorm, such a big media uprising over this, get international
00:16:27.200 support and backing, they could technically eventually may try and get this guy back into
00:16:31.720 power.
00:16:32.100 But that is their goal.
00:16:33.220 And that's where this started.
00:16:35.060 And I think that's where Honduras, this party, these people in Honduras, when they originally
00:16:38.980 organized this.
00:16:40.020 But Venezuela also has other reasoning reasons to be behind this.
00:16:44.860 Now, if you I mean, you think about it just was a few months ago, Venezuelan President
00:16:49.460 Maduro just survived an assassination attempt and he blamed the United States.
00:16:54.880 He blamed the United States for for backing those people.
00:16:57.760 He blames the United States for the economic war.
00:16:59.500 Basically, all the things that are wrong with them.
00:17:01.260 It's not socialism.
00:17:02.340 It's the United States's fault that socialism is not working, not the theory behind it.
00:17:06.740 So he blames us for all these things.
00:17:08.240 So if you are Maduro, you want to strike back.
00:17:11.240 They just tried to kill you.
00:17:12.340 In his words, how do you do it when you can't compete with the United States in a conventional
00:17:17.000 manner?
00:17:17.540 You have to go non-conventional ways.
00:17:19.860 And you have to understand, too, that it was the ousting of the Honduran presidency, the
00:17:26.260 guy this caravan supports.
00:17:28.120 When he was ousted, the first thing the new government did, or one of the first things
00:17:32.840 the new government did, was get out of the ALBA agreement.
00:17:36.380 Which was agreements of, hey, we're going to prop each other up.
00:17:41.360 So as soon as Honduras pulled out away from Venezuela, that hurt them economically.
00:17:48.100 Big time.
00:17:48.720 So he's got a double reason for doing this.
00:17:52.080 This is huge.
00:17:53.380 And this is huge.
00:17:54.520 So you really need to look at it through that lens.
00:17:57.360 They have a gigantic political and future economic reasoning behind all this.
00:18:02.420 There's a very big plan in place to do all this.
00:18:06.360 I mentioned before that Iran and both Syria were big time observers of this economic union.
00:18:13.180 And a lot of people have been focusing on, well, what if ISIS gets into this group or whatever?
00:18:18.180 You mentioned the possibility of Cuban intelligence, Venezuelan intelligence, which I think is probably
00:18:22.960 90% likely that they are a part of this caravan.
00:18:26.420 But also, through Iran, Hezbollah.
00:18:31.040 Hezbollah could be all in this caravan. 0.97
00:18:33.920 I have no information on that and no intelligence behind it.
00:18:36.720 But because of all the actors, because of everyone involved, and because of the people that are supporting this.
00:18:41.540 Cuba, Venezuela, Iran.
00:18:43.380 Right.
00:18:43.760 Got it.
00:18:44.180 You could be, Hezbollah would be my, if I'm in a U.S. intelligence operative, I'm looking for Hezbollah links, 0.93
00:18:49.740 you know, inside this caravan.
00:18:51.420 And I guarantee you, the U.S. intelligence agencies are all over this.
00:18:56.220 I'm sure we've infiltrated this.
00:18:58.080 That's why when the vice president of the United States says that, oh, the Honduran president told me this,
00:19:03.900 he's not reporting on hearsay.
00:19:05.820 Like, that would be hearsay unless they seriously have something behind it.
00:19:09.180 I fully think that he knows.
00:19:10.880 I think I heard your interview with Governor Abbot yesterday.
00:19:13.280 Yeah, he knew.
00:19:14.000 He knew as well.
00:19:14.860 He knew.
00:19:15.160 And, of course, that's something he would not come out and say, oh, Venezuela's behind this.
00:19:18.580 The governor of Texas is not going to say that.
00:19:20.560 But I do think Vice President Pence tipped his hand on that.
00:19:23.900 I fully think that they're behind this.
00:19:25.260 Now, the question now is, how does this escalate?
00:19:27.900 You mentioned waves of attacks.
00:19:29.240 We already know there's a caravan forming in El Salvador.
00:19:31.880 There's a caravan forming in Guatemala.
00:19:33.740 And who are they forming?
00:19:35.040 Who's forming them?
00:19:36.400 We don't know the organizers yet, but those are all, they're all on the same border, all with Honduras.
00:19:41.540 So the same people, that Liberty and Re-Foundation Party, look that up when you're looking these things up and doing your own homework.
00:19:46.660 Look, Liberty and Re-Foundation Party in Honduras.
00:19:49.020 I would not be surprised if we hear more names in El Salvador and Guatemala forming these caravans because the Honduras border was shut down pretty heavily.
00:19:59.320 They cracked down on that border.
00:20:00.280 So they can't send more people from Honduras anymore.
00:20:02.540 So they're probably going, those, their allies in El Salvador and Guatemala are probably just forming them in their border countries.
00:20:08.520 And the press won't look into this.
00:20:12.380 In fact, the press is downplaying this now.
00:20:14.820 And the reason why is because they know this is a nightmare for Democrats in the election.
00:20:20.580 This is an absolute nightmare.
00:20:23.460 The buildup to it.
00:20:25.260 What happens on the border may actually work to their advantage politically because you'll have the big, bad American soldier standing up.
00:20:32.600 But the buildup before the border, they are saying this is a conspiracy.
00:20:38.400 We don't know where they're headed.
00:20:39.780 Yes.
00:20:40.100 Yes, we do.
00:20:41.060 Yes, we do.
00:20:41.580 We know what their intent is to cross our border. 0.76
00:20:45.320 And mass.
00:20:46.520 You need to start demanding and tweeting that press looks into the humanitarian issues of this caravan.
00:20:56.840 Who's providing the water and the medical care? 0.51
00:21:00.080 Because we're all very concerned about this caravan.
00:21:03.900 Who is paying for the food, the water and emergencies?
00:21:11.660 The best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:21:16.520 Stu, I would like you to talk to my wife about Field of Greens and explain to her that I no longer have to eat my vegetables.
00:21:30.160 Well, this is the whole point of Field of Greens in my mind.
00:21:32.020 Thank you.
00:21:32.360 In my mind, too.
00:21:33.120 Not necessarily in their mind.
00:21:34.600 Yes, they're like, so good.
00:21:36.340 You're getting your vegetables and it doesn't hurt to have more.
00:21:38.580 No.
00:21:39.100 Well, no.
00:21:40.180 To be fair to your wife, though, she may be thinking, well, there's a lot of these, like, products that say that they're, like, superfoods.
00:21:44.760 45 seconds.
00:21:45.280 And they're just, like, extracts and they don't really do any, you know, superfoods are kind of an overused term.
00:21:52.180 Brickhouse with Field of Greens, this is actual real food.
00:21:54.660 Like, they've just made it easy for you to eat.
00:21:56.520 You're having all the vegetables.
00:21:57.600 You're getting the nutrients that you need.
00:21:59.120 You're listening to your mommy.
00:22:00.580 Yeah.
00:22:00.840 I'm not going to get scurvy now.
00:22:02.460 Yeah.
00:22:03.000 So I can take it, the Field of Greens.
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00:22:27.480 Okay, so yesterday we had a very perplexing conversation because there was a story that
00:22:36.440 came out in the New York Times, and I think what they're saying is what I've always been
00:22:46.340 saying about transgenderism, and I thought this was politically incorrect, and I don't
00:22:51.700 know what the hell this even means now.
00:22:53.680 Now, has this—I don't—I really honestly do not understand.
00:22:57.960 Stu brought this up.
00:22:59.280 Read the Times article that you brought up.
00:23:01.400 Yeah, the Times article is, Anatomy Does Not Determine Gender, Experts Say. 0.68
00:23:06.020 That's the title.
00:23:06.680 Now, it's kind of themed through discussion of this Trump plan to change the way people
00:23:11.900 register on paperwork.
00:23:13.520 You'd be registering as the sex you were born at, not the sex you believe you are today.
00:23:18.260 Anyway, so that's kind of where it's themed, and of course, every piece of news must go
00:23:23.680 through some sort of Trump filter to see whether you can blame Trump or excuse Trump or—no
00:23:29.260 one can just talk about an issue anymore.
00:23:31.080 But through—at the—halfway through the story, you get this, and I was fascinated by
00:23:35.600 this discussion.
00:23:37.280 How to define identity?
00:23:39.580 Researchers say gender identity comes from the brain, not the body. 0.95
00:23:43.700 Some put it more bluntly.
00:23:45.500 It originates between your ears, not between your legs.
00:23:49.220 And so—
00:23:50.680 Yes.
00:23:51.460 I would say, like, that strikes me as I read it again, almost like a conservative critique
00:23:57.360 of—
00:23:57.700 Right.
00:23:58.640 That's coming between your ears, not your legs.
00:24:01.280 Right, exactly.
00:24:02.160 Right.
00:24:02.320 And this is supposed to be what the researchers are saying.
00:24:04.740 And it struck me as I was reading this that we are discussing two different things.
00:24:10.680 Like, the reason why you would want someone to register as a male or female, let's say,
00:24:15.560 on a government health care form, right, would be something because—not because of the
00:24:19.700 feeling in their brain, right?
00:24:21.560 Because of what they really are.
00:24:22.700 Right.
00:24:22.920 Like, you would have to cover, for example, you know, birth, right?
00:24:27.280 Something that a man can't do. 1.00
00:24:28.960 Wow.
00:24:29.140 Right?
00:24:29.480 And again, that's a whole other part of controversy of Obamacare and other things.
00:24:33.260 But the point being, you know, there's a reason to know these things, in theory, with
00:24:40.700 the government.
00:24:41.120 Not because they're tracking feelings.
00:24:43.640 They're not tracking how you feel in your brain, right?
00:24:46.940 They're talking about specific things that body parts can do.
00:24:53.200 And, you know, that is—you know, there might be a higher risk of breast cancer or a higher
00:24:57.240 risk of another type of cancer.
00:24:58.580 That doesn't change because your mind feels like you're more like a boy than you are a
00:25:04.400 girl.
00:25:04.440 And gender has—they have gotten away from one traditional definition of gender, which
00:25:09.940 is male or female.
00:25:12.240 But the other part of the definition of gender is describing traits that is really kind of,
00:25:21.760 you know, feminine.
00:25:24.180 That is a traditional masculine gender. 0.99
00:25:27.720 Okay?
00:25:28.760 Those traits.
00:25:29.760 The tomboy.
00:25:30.660 The tomboy.
00:25:31.420 That's a masculine gender trait.
00:25:34.080 Okay.
00:25:34.700 Right.
00:25:35.200 But those are traits.
00:25:37.020 Now, you want to talk about traits?
00:25:39.060 Okay.
00:25:40.240 But we're talking—I thought about saying that you are actually a woman.
00:25:47.260 And that's not true.
00:25:49.760 So, Dr. Deborah So is with us.
00:25:52.320 She is a journalist and sex researcher and has her head screwed on right and isn't afraid. 0.99
00:25:58.680 She's Canadian.
00:25:59.480 I don't know what it is with the Canadians having more guts than us, but she's a Canadian
00:26:04.240 researcher and has spoken out about this.
00:26:07.680 And, Deborah, I just want you to set us straight.
00:26:10.260 Where are we wrong here?
00:26:11.820 What are we missing?
00:26:13.500 I'm absolutely appalled by the coverage on this story because there's so much misinformation
00:26:20.320 being spread.
00:26:22.500 And, you know, with regards to that Times piece in particular, anatomy very much does determine
00:26:28.840 gender.
00:26:29.420 I mean, nowadays, gender is seen as sort of this free-floating, nebulous concept that is
00:26:35.560 completely divorced from biology, but it's very much linked to biology and anatomy.
00:26:43.340 For 99% of us, our biological sex is our gender.
00:26:47.500 Of course, that's not the case with everybody, but for the vast majority of us, that is the
00:26:52.180 case.
00:26:52.680 And I don't think there should be anything wrong with saying that.
00:26:55.780 So, wait a minute.
00:26:57.100 So, hang on.
00:26:58.020 But what the Times article was saying is that gender happens, and I am willing to go back 0.81
00:27:05.300 to the, you know, definition, male born this way, female born this way.
00:27:10.980 You want to say gender is male or female specific, but I'm also willing to say, okay, gender is
00:27:17.160 the traits, but it is not biological.
00:27:20.860 I mean, well, they go that far.
00:27:21.980 However, what's happening here is they're taking away sex and tying it to gender, and so why
00:27:34.980 would we have male and female sex if it's all gender? 1.00
00:27:40.320 If it means the same thing, it doesn't talk about traits.
00:27:43.900 The other part is, isn't that gender dysphoria?
00:27:48.780 If it is all happening in your head, then that's dysphoria, is it not? 0.97
00:27:54.900 I see what you're saying.
00:27:58.140 Well, I think nowadays people tend to use the word gender across the board.
00:28:02.720 One, because they don't want to use the word sex.
00:28:04.620 Maybe that makes them uncomfortable.
00:28:05.940 But I think also from an ideological perspective, it makes it easier for people to argue that
00:28:10.800 you can identify as whatever you want, because it's a little bit trickier.
00:28:14.320 I think most people still have the common sense to know that biological sex is immutable.
00:28:19.980 So to argue for, say, something like transgender rights, it becomes helpful for them to say,
00:28:25.100 well, maybe it's not about biology, it's about gender, which is, you know, they say it's a 0.93
00:28:29.980 social construct or whatever, which it isn't.
00:28:32.020 But it makes it a little bit easier to argue that, okay, someone, the way someone feels may
00:28:36.120 not necessarily be linked to their biology.
00:28:39.160 So I'm not sure if that really speaks to the point you're making.
00:28:41.200 So, but can you explain what gender dysphoria is?
00:28:45.860 Right.
00:28:46.420 So it's the feeling that someone feels more in alignment with the opposite sex than their 0.80
00:28:52.680 birth sex.
00:28:53.600 So someone would be born male, but they will feel more as though they fit in the female role.
00:28:58.400 Okay.
00:28:59.120 How has gender dysphoria been embraced?
00:29:02.980 Is gender dysphoria a good thing or a bad thing? 0.81
00:29:08.360 Hmm.
00:29:08.920 I think it's seen as, I don't think it should be seen as good or bad.
00:29:13.620 I think it's a medical condition.
00:29:15.020 And I think people who are suffering should be able to have access to care.
00:29:20.060 And I think adults should be allowed to transition if that's been the best approach for them.
00:29:24.960 But I think nowadays it's kind of glamorized and seen as something that is really almost
00:29:30.860 preferred.
00:29:32.420 I wouldn't say preferred in society, but it's almost like seen as a positive thing, especially
00:29:35.900 among progressive people.
00:29:37.100 So, but, but here's my, here's my point.
00:29:39.920 Isn't, isn't anorexia a form of, of physical dysmorphia that you see your body as fat, even
00:29:52.060 though you're 60 pounds?
00:29:54.200 Isn't that dysphoria? 0.87
00:29:56.340 Right.
00:29:56.720 True.
00:29:57.160 The thing with gender dysphoria is it does have biological correlates.
00:30:00.520 So this is the thing I find very confusing about the whole transgender movement is that, 1.00
00:30:04.740 you know, some people will argue that biology has nothing to do with it.
00:30:07.760 Other people argue that it is strongly biological.
00:30:10.300 I would think that proponents of this movement would want to be in alignment with the science
00:30:15.680 that does show it is biological.
00:30:16.960 Because doesn't that add some sort of validity, I guess, to what they're saying, because it
00:30:22.160 has to do with hormonal exposure in utero.
00:30:25.240 So an example I can give is say girls who are exposed to a higher level of testosterone
00:30:30.160 in utero.
00:30:30.860 So higher levels of exposure to testosterone is associated with more male typical interests
00:30:35.660 and behaviors.
00:30:37.240 So girls who are exposed to higher levels of testosterone, when they are born, they are
00:30:41.460 more male typical in their behavior.
00:30:43.660 They're also more likely to want to have a male gender identity.
00:30:47.600 So it speaks to the biological influence, even though people want to say that gender is
00:30:51.520 completely diverse from that.
00:30:53.960 So I guess one of the things as I was reading the story, Dr. So, is that there is a, it's
00:31:00.980 almost like we're talking about two different things.
00:31:03.100 You know, we were, if what gender is, is a feeling, that is an interesting thing for
00:31:11.280 people like you to, to research on it.
00:31:14.000 Even, even if it's a biological feeling.
00:31:16.100 Yeah, well, yeah, sure.
00:31:18.140 But it's not necessarily of interest on a, on a form, you know, that you're turning into
00:31:24.060 the government, right?
00:31:24.980 I mean, like that, that's a, it's a different, I mean, it may be in certain circumstances,
00:31:28.740 but why the government is asking for this information is not necessarily about someone's
00:31:32.760 feelings.
00:31:33.880 It's about, it's about a, a physical characteristic that they hold.
00:31:38.820 So, I mean, is it just that, is it just basically that gender doesn't mean what it used to mean?
00:31:45.000 Are they using gender to say, this is a feeling and therefore we should almost come up with 0.97
00:31:49.740 a different word for what I, because what I'm describing and what we've talked about this
00:31:52.740 entire time has nothing to do with feelings.
00:31:55.360 It's male or female.
00:31:56.140 It's about, yeah, it's about physical characteristics.
00:31:58.720 What is the word for that?
00:32:00.060 I see what you mean.
00:32:02.680 I think from the perspective of what the administration is trying to do, I think they should be allowed
00:32:07.680 to collect that information and that information and those data without it being such a controversial
00:32:13.220 issue.
00:32:14.780 And, you know, with regards to protecting Title IX and, and women's rights, I don't know why
00:32:21.040 people don't see it from that perspective that this is a positive thing, because shouldn't
00:32:25.060 that be seen as helping women, right?
00:32:28.220 And it kind of does boil down to this larger argument that's going on right now about people
00:32:33.080 who were born female versus the rights of transgender women and are transgender women,
00:32:39.460 women full stop. 1.00
00:32:40.760 And so there is this argument going on.
00:32:42.400 I don't know if either of you have been following this, but with, it's been mostly radical feminists. 0.99
00:32:47.120 I wouldn't consider myself a radical feminist, but, you know, this group of very progressive
00:32:50.780 women who are saying transgender women are not the same as people who were born female.
00:32:55.760 So in this argument, transgender activists have been winning so far. 0.76
00:32:59.400 And we see that in terms of how this narrative has played out with the recent decision.
00:33:03.220 But in terms of what you're saying, I, I, I see what you're saying.
00:33:06.820 And I guess I'm using different words to kind of mean the same thing in that, yes, for people
00:33:11.760 who are male or female, that gender is basically sex.
00:33:16.000 It is at the end of the day, the same thing.
00:33:17.920 But nowadays, gender is being used in a different way to kind of argue for this more progressive
00:33:23.740 idea that you can do whatever you want.
00:33:25.680 And I'm not insane, right?
00:33:26.760 That's changed.
00:33:28.080 Right.
00:33:28.160 That's not, I'm not completely insane.
00:33:31.160 And, and in the belief that gender used to mean, I can't believe you, right?
00:33:35.680 Like this is something that they are taking this word and making it, it mean feelings instead
00:33:41.240 of what it used to mean, which was biological gender, sex and traits.
00:33:45.500 Right.
00:33:46.060 And that's why I think all definitions spread to this larger idea that gender is a spectrum,
00:33:51.040 because if you feel a certain way on one day and you feel differently on another day,
00:33:54.900 that must mean that your gender must be something unrelated to sex, which is immutable.
00:34:03.240 So one more follow-up on this.
00:34:05.440 If, as the New York Times says, identity comes from, the gender identity comes from the brain, 0.53
00:34:10.400 not the body.
00:34:11.320 It originates between your ears and not between your legs.
00:34:14.820 If that is accurate, and that is a defense of the transgendered argument, right? 0.85
00:34:19.000 It's not a, it's not a criticism of it.
00:34:20.480 It's a defense of it.
00:34:21.980 If that it's true, and it's in your brain and not between your legs, why are there physical
00:34:26.660 surgeries associated with being transgendered?
00:34:31.400 Right.
00:34:32.100 I mean, that argument doesn't really make much sense.
00:34:34.280 And I, I don't like that argument because it's not really accurate either, because what's
00:34:38.380 between your legs and what goes on your brain is linked.
00:34:40.780 So you can't really separate the two and treat them like they're completely different phenomena.
00:34:45.720 Um, but there, I mean, there's a lot of, of aspects of this argument that, that don't
00:34:50.860 make sense.
00:34:51.420 I mean, transgender activists will also say that gender is a social construct, but if
00:34:55.520 that's the case, why do you then need hormonal intervention to transition or to feel more
00:35:00.940 in alignment with the, the sex that you identify as?
00:35:04.380 So I guess my biggest gripe from this whole thing is that, you know, sex is about being male
00:35:11.080 or female.
00:35:11.920 Gender is how you feel in relation to your sex.
00:35:13.860 But again, as I said, for the vast majority of us, our biological, logical sex does dictate
00:35:18.940 our gender.
00:35:19.620 So I don't think the three of us are necessarily that, you know, view things that differently
00:35:23.720 than though I'm using different terms to describe it.
00:35:25.900 Let me ask you a really difficult and politically incorrect question.
00:35:29.960 Um, if, if dysmorphia, for instance, is we, we say that it's bad to be anorexic because
00:35:37.980 you're seeing your body in a way that is not reality and it's dangerous.
00:35:42.000 It doesn't, it's not a healthy, uh, outlook.
00:35:46.680 Um, we see the stats of people who have gender dys dysmorphia and the suicide rates are really
00:35:54.240 bad.
00:35:54.760 Having the sex change and everything else is not changing those suicide rates.
00:35:59.980 So why are we taking the, the gender dysmorphia and say, Hey, it's totally fine when it's 1.00
00:36:09.360 not, it's not, the suicide rates are bad.
00:36:13.700 Uh, I would agree that one thing we're talking about is comorbidity.
00:36:17.340 I do think many people who are coming out as transgender nowadays probably have some other
00:36:23.260 psychiatric condition that isn't being diagnosed because clinicians aren't able to do their
00:36:27.560 job properly.
00:36:29.060 So if someone comes into your clinic and says that they are transgender, I don't work with
00:36:33.080 patients anymore, but, um, if someone comes in now and says that they're transgender, a
00:36:37.400 clinician really does have to take that at face value.
00:36:39.400 They're not really allowed to, to ask deeper questions because that's seen as transphobic.
00:36:44.260 So I think nowadays, because it's seen as very trendy to be trans, that could be part of it.
00:36:49.280 And so if someone who has another form of psychopathology, it's manifesting as something
00:36:53.820 that has to do with gender, even if gender has nothing to do with it.
00:36:57.180 Um, but with regards to why transitioning should be seen as something beneficial, I mean, research
00:37:02.340 does show for some people, it can help.
00:37:04.980 I do think if other things have been ruled out that it can be beneficial for somebody.
00:37:10.460 Um, I think ultimately adults should be free to do what they want with their body.
00:37:14.100 So, so do I, don't get me wrong.
00:37:15.660 So do I, but I, I, I think what, uh, uh, I was getting to, and you've just answered is
00:37:20.600 this transphobia, uh, this, this, uh, just hurting everybody into ask no questions is dangerous.
00:37:31.400 It's just dangerous for people.
00:37:33.420 And, and we should look in the end, you're an adult, you get to do what you want to do.
00:37:38.760 And I'm fine with that, but, but just the silencing of thought.
00:37:43.320 And in this case, science medicine is, is terrifying.
00:37:47.960 Yeah, but I mean, going back to the difference between gender dysphoria and say something
00:37:53.560 like anorexia with people who are gender dysphoric, their brains have been partially either masculinized
00:38:00.100 or feminized in the direction of the gender they identify with.
00:38:04.700 Right.
00:38:04.800 But the thing is, these studies that show this in the brain are also conflated with sexual orientation.
00:38:11.180 So if you have a study on trans women, say, so these are people who were born male, but
00:38:15.940 identify as female, they are also attracted for the most part to men.
00:38:20.960 So when you do these brain studies, we're still not clear on if the differences we're seeing
00:38:25.080 are due to them identifying as female or due to them being sexually attracted to men, because
00:38:31.080 there are very strong neural correlates that are associated with sexual orientation.
00:38:35.260 So that's the other thing that people aren't talking about is that this has a lot to do
00:38:38.480 with sexual orientation being gay. 0.62
00:38:41.460 And so the brain correlates that people are talking so much about how transgender being
00:38:45.460 transgender is in the brain. 1.00
00:38:46.780 It's not really accurate because we don't know that for sure yet.
00:38:49.900 Dr. Debra So, thank you so much.
00:38:52.240 I appreciate it.
00:38:53.720 Always enlightening to talk to somebody who is not politically correct.
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00:39:06.260 with everything she says good.
00:39:08.780 Have the conversation.
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00:40:40.520 And, uh, also just sometimes a guest like yesterday was Sean Spicer.
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00:40:48.260 Here's, here's what Sean Spicer said yesterday.
00:40:50.680 Just a little bit of what he said about the, this election.
00:40:54.620 The problem is, is that their base, the vocal minority of their base keeps dragging them
00:40:58.900 so far to the left that they kind of have to keep fumbling past each other to outdo each
00:41:04.580 other to prove who's the most pure.
00:41:06.580 And that's the biggest problem that we have right now for the Democrats is that the, they
00:41:10.740 have been the biggest helpers to the Republican party.
00:41:13.520 Oh, big time.
00:41:14.160 Because by going so far to the left and trying to appease this, this mob, which is what it
00:41:19.020 really is, they've lost the ability to talk about things on the, I know, they, they, for
00:41:27.260 most pragmatic traditional Democrats, they feel like the party is so far left them.
00:41:33.220 I actually think you might have a turnout problem.
00:41:36.340 You're talking about it with the Latino community.
00:41:37.740 Now, I think the Democrats is ironic as this may sound may actually lose the enthusiasm gap
00:41:43.800 by a big margin heading into the, into the midterms, because a lot of these folks are
00:41:47.840 saying, wow, they, they've now exposed to, they really are.
00:41:50.600 This isn't about fighting for workers' rights or environmental causes that we've cared about
00:41:55.000 for so long.
00:41:55.580 This is about impeachment and investigations.
00:41:58.140 I don't know that I bought in on that.
00:41:59.680 If you're a traditional Democrat.
00:42:01.040 And I think that they look at the Republicans who have been focused on a pretty pragmatic
00:42:05.240 agenda of economic growth, low unemployment, deregulate, tearing down the deregulatory
00:42:10.100 state.
00:42:11.000 And they go, you know, I'm not sure I'm a Republican, but I kind of agree with that
00:42:14.560 agenda.
00:42:15.340 So when the dust settles, how many Republican senators are there?
00:42:18.340 55.
00:42:19.360 55.
00:42:20.220 Yep.
00:42:20.480 And you.
00:42:20.780 I think if, if you call me and go, hi, you were wrong.
00:42:23.260 It's 56.
00:42:24.500 You'll be okay with that.
00:42:25.420 I'll be okay with that.
00:42:26.280 But I think that the way it's going now, we've got a 51-49 majority.
00:42:29.680 Again, I actually think Florida is going to go Republican.
00:42:34.100 Nelson, Governor Scott's going to beat incumbent Senator Nelson.
00:42:37.240 I think there's no question that Indiana and North Dakota are in the bag.
00:42:42.200 And then I think.
00:42:42.900 You think Indiana's in the bag?
00:42:43.740 I mean, North Dakota.
00:42:44.580 16 points.
00:42:45.440 Yeah, but.
00:42:45.860 You can't blow that lead.
00:42:47.240 But Indiana, there's another story.
00:42:48.700 I mean, that's.
00:42:48.940 Oh, I think Indiana, it's up for, but it's.
00:42:51.240 Look, I've been in politics a long time.
00:42:53.200 The trend is what matters.
00:42:54.240 If you're fighting back, if you've got the lead and it's coming over you, that's not good.
00:42:58.160 Right now, when you look at Indiana, it's continuing to move in the right direction.
00:43:02.320 Donnelly keeps fading further and further back.
00:43:04.580 You don't pick up that momentum going.
00:43:06.460 You don't reverse the trend in the last 14 days.
00:43:08.940 It just doesn't happen.
00:43:11.280 That's from the News and Why It Matters podcast that you can watch every night at 530,
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00:43:25.180 It's fascinating yesterday.
00:43:26.820 It was actually really funny, too.
00:43:28.560 I really liked him.
00:43:30.000 It was funny.
00:43:34.440 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:43:42.120 Well, here we are today.
00:43:43.320 We have suspicious packages, again, sent to the White House, then to the Clintons, then to Obama, now to CNN.
00:43:52.480 CNN's building has been evacuated.
00:43:55.880 We have gone through this when we lived in New York.
00:44:00.060 It is a scary, scary thing.
00:44:02.580 But we are reaping the seeds that all of us are, I shouldn't say all of us, a lot of people who are in politics are sowing.
00:44:15.680 The streets are becoming more and more dangerous for people who have a political opinion.
00:44:21.800 And this is not good.
00:44:25.080 Can you name the guy who tried to shoot all of the Republicans on the baseball dam?
00:44:30.840 Can you name him?
00:44:31.620 Give me his name.
00:44:32.380 Give me his name.
00:44:34.320 Give me his name.
00:44:35.640 Well, we don't give the names of mass shooters out of the voice.
00:44:37.860 Yeah, because you don't remember it.
00:44:39.280 Most people don't remember it.
00:44:41.620 Because it really happened, and then everybody moved on.
00:44:46.180 But it was a Democratic operative that had worked for Bernie Sanders that had had enough.
00:44:53.160 And now we're hearing this rhetoric of, you know, when they go low, we kick them.
00:44:59.420 Go get them at dinner time.
00:45:01.780 Roger Williams is a representative from Texas.
00:45:05.940 And he was on that baseball diamond when the shooter started to shoot at the Republicans, trying to kill the Republicans for political reasons.
00:45:16.320 He's written a great op-ed about it's wrong to promote violence.
00:45:23.220 Welcome to the program, Congressman Williams.
00:45:26.180 How are you, sir?
00:45:27.680 I'm doing great, Glenn.
00:45:28.560 Thank you for having us.
00:45:30.240 So can you tell me what that day was like now a year away from it?
00:45:37.300 Well, it's like it was yesterday to all of us, of course.
00:45:41.960 But we practice.
00:45:44.000 I'm the coach of the baseball team.
00:45:45.420 We practice every morning, getting ready for a game in June.
00:45:49.560 And I was hitting ground balls to one of my colleagues at third base.
00:45:53.620 And all of a sudden, a boom went off.
00:45:56.360 And, you know, like a lot of people, we thought it was a backfiring of a car, possibly.
00:46:00.540 7.09 in the morning in a very nice area in Alexandria.
00:46:03.980 And all of a sudden, someone yelled, he's got a gun, head for cover.
00:46:07.700 And my instinct told me to go to the dugout.
00:46:10.680 It was a real dugout.
00:46:11.660 So I dove into the dugout at that six foot to get away from this guy.
00:46:15.300 He was firing.
00:46:16.220 I ended up with Jeff Flake and Mo Brooks.
00:46:20.100 And he started firing.
00:46:22.060 He fired 60 rounds before anybody fired back.
00:46:25.500 We were fortunate we had two Capitol Police there that could defend us.
00:46:29.500 But he was firing AK-47 and fired 60 rounds.
00:46:33.440 There was actually no way we were going to live.
00:46:35.360 I mean, he was going to get across the field and assassinate everybody.
00:46:38.460 But a lock kept him from doing that.
00:46:41.380 Nobody knows why the lock was there.
00:46:42.940 But, you know, I got wounded.
00:46:45.160 Of course, we're familiar with Steve Scalise's wounds.
00:46:47.560 My aide got wounded.
00:46:49.580 Another young man got wounded.
00:46:51.260 The Capitol Police got wounded.
00:46:53.680 It lasted 10 minutes.
00:46:55.540 And I've had friends of mine say, when you're in war, a battle lasts about two minutes.
00:46:59.020 So it was a life-changing experience.
00:47:04.300 But the idea that somebody could get up that morning, somebody could go kill people and kill Republicans, is pretty unbelievable that that's where we are right now.
00:47:12.380 And, of course, everybody thought that was an event that was going to turn things around from a civility standpoint.
00:47:19.080 It did for about 12 hours.
00:47:20.860 And that was that.
00:47:21.600 So, anyway, it's a life-changer for all of us.
00:47:24.700 And I'm thankful that God was in charge and he let the perpetrator be the one that lost rather than 25 congressmen.
00:47:33.180 It could have really changed the world.
00:47:34.320 So how are you – how do you react when you see, you know, Eric Holder say, you know, when Republicans go low, we kick them, and they're cheering to that?
00:47:47.720 Well, you know, it's Eric Holder.
00:47:49.400 It's Pelosi.
00:47:50.640 It's Maxine Waters, who I sent she and our financial services committee together.
00:47:55.200 And when they start telling everybody to, like you say, go low, run people out of restaurants.
00:48:00.680 I mean, I've had all that experience to me also.
00:48:03.240 It's just wrong.
00:48:04.080 And the shame of it is they haven't been shot at.
00:48:06.180 They haven't been shot.
00:48:07.200 They haven't been wounded.
00:48:08.900 And I take personal – and all of us do – personal problem with it is they're mouthing and they're creating a really, really problem in our country.
00:48:20.820 Civility is the word that keeps being used, but we have no civility.
00:48:23.900 We're not going to get back to where people can agree to disagree in a civil manner.
00:48:28.440 It's just being stirred up, and a lot of it by the liberal left.
00:48:32.400 There's no question about it.
00:48:33.420 So it bothers us.
00:48:35.000 And, you know, I've had my daughter had a wedding several weeks ago.
00:48:38.180 We had protesters at her wedding. 1.00
00:48:40.100 I've been yelled at at restaurants, just like a lot of my colleagues.
00:48:43.980 It kind of takes the fun out of this, right?
00:48:46.720 But at the same time, we serve for a lot of different reasons.
00:48:50.360 And I hope we can get back to where we can agree to disagree again.
00:48:53.360 So the bombs or the suspicious packages, Clinton's, Obama's, Soros, the White House, now CNN today, Antifa on the streets.
00:49:08.260 I'd have to point out the Proud Boys, you know, answering that by going out and delivering blows once somebody, you know, throws a punch at them.
00:49:23.060 It doesn't seem like we're getting any better.
00:49:25.000 No, we're not getting any better.
00:49:28.620 And, you know, it's not right either that President Obama, President Clinton, President Trump have to have these packages delivered to where they are.
00:49:37.120 I mean, that is wrong also, you know.
00:49:39.880 I don't know what's going to change it.
00:49:41.340 I gave a speech in Washington the day and came out of the office building where I spoke, and people had thrown bricks through our windshield of our car, of our van.
00:49:48.760 And all of it broken and, you know, stole everything that was in it.
00:49:54.480 What do people like you?
00:49:55.360 I mean, you're sitting on a committee with Maxine Waters.
00:49:58.540 You have to have said to her, have you forgotten what happened at the baseball diamond?
00:50:04.120 I mean, have you said these things to her, and how does she respond?
00:50:08.520 No, I have said it to her, and I've said it to a lot of those on the other side, and they don't respond.
00:50:15.880 They just look at you.
00:50:19.500 I mean, and it's a shame.
00:50:20.780 And the fact of the matter is I guess they don't want to remember it, but I will tell you this about the baseball incident.
00:50:28.580 I travel all over the country, and, of course, as you said earlier, the news cycle goes quick, but there's still people remembering, come up to you and say, I'm praying for you, Congressman.
00:50:36.120 I remember I was on that morning when I heard about it.
00:50:38.620 But it was a moment that I don't think is going to leave when it's a moment that shows how low we've gone.
00:50:48.080 But when you mention it to Maxine or you mention it to some of the others, they have no response at all.
00:50:54.740 And it's just moved on.
00:50:56.640 They just moved on.
00:50:57.420 We were just lucky or whatever.
00:50:58.740 And it's a bad, bad environment.
00:51:02.520 It's all generated, I believe, from the dislike of this president, the anger.
00:51:06.780 I mean, rather the president fail than the country succeed.
00:51:09.540 What do you say to people who would say, well, he's engaging in the same kind of rhetoric?
00:51:18.460 Well, I mean, I hear that, too.
00:51:20.200 And I guess I could say there's some things probably I don't agree with.
00:51:23.160 We all need to dial it down.
00:51:24.660 But it's not right.
00:51:29.920 And we just need to – it's just – Glenn, it's hard to say.
00:51:34.060 Everybody in their heart needs to look at what we're going through right now.
00:51:38.400 It's not getting any better.
00:51:39.840 It's not getting more civil.
00:51:41.240 It's who can do more to the other side.
00:51:44.100 And, you know, I guess I would say in my world it started at the baseball field.
00:51:48.520 And I know who started it.
00:51:49.640 And it wasn't a conservative on the Republican side that started it.
00:51:55.280 You know, right before the Civil War, Sumner was beaten with a cane by a congressman in the well of the Senate.
00:52:06.140 And he almost died.
00:52:10.320 Nobody – they didn't even arrest the congressman.
00:52:14.440 Nobody said anything about it.
00:52:16.080 And, in fact, they made little – they took the pieces of wood and made little canes and they wore them around their neck as a badge of honor that, you know, don't mess with our party because we'll beat you to death.
00:52:33.000 I mean, when I read that years ago, I thought, well, we're a long way from Civil War.
00:52:40.320 But I'm not sure we are that far from that kind of barbarism.
00:52:45.640 Well, unfortunately, instead of using canes, we're using guns right now.
00:52:50.840 And, you know, I mean, to go to a restaurant with your family and be yelled at, to get on an airplane, to go back to D.C. or to come home and be yelled at.
00:53:02.060 What's that feel like?
00:53:02.940 No, it just –
00:53:03.680 CNN says that's not a mob.
00:53:05.260 Well, I'll tell you, you can have a mob of hundreds, a mob of millions, a mob of one.
00:53:12.340 And, you know, from a personal standpoint, I mean, I'm a former athlete.
00:53:16.120 I've got a lot of drive in me, a lot of fire.
00:53:18.940 But, you know, I have found myself just giving them my card and saying, I can't deal with your anger, but if I can ever help you, you let me know.
00:53:26.060 But, I mean, it's restaurants, it's airplanes, it's being on the street, it's pretty unbelievable.
00:53:35.540 But it's the way it is, and it's not getting any better.
00:53:37.520 And many of us now have been – have to have security.
00:53:42.680 And, you know, that's just another level of defense from this attitude of, you know, to heck with America, let's go get them.
00:53:53.480 And if we put in much effort into passing or not passing legislation, reducing regulations, as we do with trying to attack each other, I think we'd see a lot more positive things in Congress.
00:54:08.900 We would.
00:54:10.220 Congressman Roger Williams, thank you very much, and thank you for your service.
00:54:17.940 And sorry that that has happened to you and your colleagues, and I hope people on both sides will hear your message and recognize that we can all play a role in this based on how we behave.
00:54:33.000 Thank you so much.
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