The Glenn Beck Program - October 31, 2018


10⧸31⧸18 - Best of Program - Guests, Joe Berlinger & Chris McDaniel


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10,256

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881

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On today's show, Glenn Beck is joined by his good friend Don Lemon to discuss birthright citizenship and the Whitey Bulger documentary. Also, Halloween is around the corner and Glenn explains why he thinks we need a ban on white men.

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00:00:00.120 The Blaze Radio Network, on demand.
00:00:08.480 Welcome to the podcast.
00:00:10.440 It's, uh, is it Wednesday yet?
00:00:11.980 It is.
00:00:12.660 Because it's always downhill from here.
00:00:14.300 So, I mean, around here, it's always downhill.
00:00:16.520 But as far as the week, we're almost through.
00:00:19.640 Today's Wednesday, great podcast for you.
00:00:21.640 Yeah, we talk a lot about, we have birthright citizenship talk, which is...
00:00:25.540 Oh, it doesn't get any better.
00:00:26.520 It's interesting because it's been kind of talked about as a political issue,
00:00:29.760 but I think it's opened up, maybe unintentionally, an interesting discussion on the right
00:00:34.500 as to what the Constitution actually calls for.
00:00:37.020 There's people on the right who believe both things,
00:00:39.440 whether it is birthright citizenship is part of the Constitution.
00:00:44.360 Where do you stand on this?
00:00:45.520 I need to know more.
00:00:47.180 I mean, we kind of get into the debate here a little bit.
00:00:49.080 I would say I don't have my mind made up yet.
00:00:51.060 It's not something I've studied a lot in the past.
00:00:52.880 It's an interesting debate, though.
00:00:54.120 I mean, both sides have compelling arguments.
00:00:58.020 The other part of it I think is interesting is that the left is just whatever they need that day.
00:01:02.600 Yeah.
00:01:02.780 Right?
00:01:03.020 Like they used to be, back in the 90s, they were all...
00:01:05.180 Cesar Chavez was beating immigrants up at the border.
00:01:09.280 And he's a hero.
00:01:09.920 He's a hero.
00:01:11.080 Please.
00:01:11.360 It's amazing.
00:01:11.980 Okay, so we're going to talk a little bit about that.
00:01:14.260 We have some Halloween stuff.
00:01:16.280 We also are going to talk about tariffs, the bad stuff that's happening with tariffs.
00:01:21.760 Don't forget, also, we go on tour.
00:01:24.040 Yes.
00:01:25.020 We go on tour.
00:01:25.860 Tomorrow, we're going to be in Richmond.
00:01:27.420 Then we're going to be in Hershey, Pennsylvania on Friday.
00:01:30.380 Going to be a great show.
00:01:32.460 And Saturday in Pittsburgh.
00:01:34.700 Pittsburgh.
00:01:35.300 And then Sunday in Cleveland.
00:01:37.280 Don't miss it.
00:01:37.940 And don't forget, we also talked to the director of a documentary about Whitey Bulger,
00:01:40.780 which is really interesting.
00:01:42.120 He died yesterday in prison after being murdered.
00:01:46.240 The former mobster.
00:01:47.900 Go into that story a little bit, which is really interesting as well.
00:01:50.060 So if you want to get tickets, go to glenbeck.com slash tour.
00:01:52.520 You want to hear the podcast?
00:01:54.120 They're already here.
00:01:54.900 Here it is.
00:02:02.000 You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.
00:02:08.040 It's Wednesday, October 31st.
00:02:10.360 Glenn Beck.
00:02:13.140 It's All Hallows' Eve.
00:02:15.720 It's upon us now.
00:02:17.500 And there is a terror more frightening than anything that has ever been unleashed on our streets.
00:02:24.700 Just lurking.
00:02:27.040 It's around the corner.
00:02:28.640 What if I were to tell you that 31% of the population has been infected with this terror?
00:02:39.920 Over 100 million Americans are out to get you.
00:02:45.420 How will you ever know which one you can trust?
00:02:50.560 Well, I'm here to tell you, you can't trust any of them.
00:02:56.020 100 million, for crying out loud.
00:02:59.180 100 million.
00:03:00.640 They're coming to get you.
00:03:02.440 Now, who will shed light on this?
00:03:05.040 Who is it that will open our fingers because we're too afraid to look at the monster?
00:03:12.640 We're too afraid to look at the monster and identify it.
00:03:19.500 Well, Don Lemon is that man.
00:03:23.280 So, we have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men. 0.59
00:03:33.140 Most of them radicalized to the right.
00:03:35.980 And we have to start doing something about them.
00:03:38.300 There is no travel ban on them.
00:03:40.700 Oh, my gosh.
00:03:41.420 There is no ban on, you know, the Muslim ban.
00:03:43.820 There is no white guy ban.
00:03:45.240 Oh, my gosh.
00:03:45.680 So, what do we do about that?
00:03:46.940 We need a white man ban. 0.85
00:03:48.660 Okay?
00:03:49.240 We need a ban on white men. 0.99
00:03:51.960 I love this.
00:03:52.640 Could we just play this again?
00:03:53.600 We have to stop demonizing and recognize.
00:03:59.780 It's not period.
00:04:02.080 We have to stop demonizing.
00:04:03.460 It's we have to stop demonizing and recognize.
00:04:07.140 Listen to the beginning of this again.
00:04:08.760 So, we have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country,
00:04:15.680 is white men, most of them radical.
00:04:19.460 Most of them on the right, too.
00:04:23.200 I don't know if you've noticed this, but white men are literally everywhere.
00:04:28.880 And there's no travel ban.
00:04:30.840 There's no, I mean, please, if you haven't left the house yet, have you checked your children?
00:04:36.360 Especially if you have a white male in the house. 0.67
00:04:39.460 Have you checked your children?
00:04:41.640 Black people who are friends with white people, can you please call the white wife and make sure she hasn't been knived by her white husband? 0.59
00:04:57.220 They're all radicals.
00:04:58.420 The biggest terror threat is white men. 0.78
00:05:01.020 We should cancel Halloween.
00:05:04.240 I don't know how we can even do this.
00:05:05.800 We're going to have, we're just, are we going to have people just roaming the streets?
00:05:08.940 Have you seen the latest Halloween?
00:05:11.340 Have you seen it?
00:05:12.400 Jason, a white man, just walking the streets, going up and ding dong, trick or treat.
00:05:19.420 He goes in the back door.
00:05:20.820 He's a white man.
00:05:21.520 He just kills people.
00:05:22.700 I know it's really confusing because it's, you know, there's so many white men that are terrorists, the leading terrorist threat, but it's actually Michael Myers in Halloween.
00:05:30.080 Oh, Jason's Friday the 13th.
00:05:31.540 He's another white murderer. 0.86
00:05:32.420 Another white man though, see? 0.68
00:05:34.200 I mean, imagine, imagine if all the white men disguised as middle-aged accountants that have just lived their life and never bothered anybody. 0.52
00:05:44.740 You're just going to let your little kids go up to that house and get candy? 0.99
00:05:48.500 We are screwed, man.
00:05:50.260 Don Lemon, God bless him, has gone nuts.
00:05:59.800 He has.
00:06:01.120 There's a few people that have really, truly lost it, and they're not even listening to themselves anymore.
00:06:10.360 It's amazing.
00:06:12.380 First of all, one of the most contradictory things I've ever heard.
00:06:15.860 Let me quote again.
00:06:16.640 So, we have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men. 0.59
00:06:23.820 Don, you're demonizing white men.
00:06:26.600 He went from zero, stop demonizing, basically don't be racist, to 100.
00:06:32.100 White men are scary. 1.00
00:06:33.260 We need a white man ban. 0.85
00:06:35.860 It's the most demonizing racist thing I've heard.
00:06:39.480 I was going to ask you, what is the definition of racism, Stu?
00:06:46.420 What is the definition?
00:06:48.420 Isn't it?
00:06:49.300 Isn't it saying all people have this trait if they're part of this race?
00:06:56.100 Yeah, discrimination, antagonism, prejudice directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
00:07:05.560 The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race.
00:07:13.480 Okay, so that would be it.
00:07:15.220 White men are the problem. 0.99
00:07:16.980 I've never said that about Islam.
00:07:24.300 All of the people who are Muslim are the problem. 1.00
00:07:27.920 It would be wrong to say that.
00:07:31.220 White men are the problem. 0.99
00:07:33.760 We're also eager to assign blame.
00:07:36.700 How many of us were rapidly refreshing social media, hoping like hell that the faux pipe bomber was someone from the left?
00:07:45.880 Why?
00:07:47.960 Why?
00:07:49.440 Why?
00:07:53.780 Everyone on the left was doing the same thing, except in reverse.
00:07:57.500 We're doing it because we want someone to point to and say, get them.
00:08:02.940 We want somebody to blame.
00:08:04.920 See, it's them.
00:08:06.800 We're not addressing the actual issues here.
00:08:10.920 White men are the problem. 0.99
00:08:14.200 Really?
00:08:14.760 Really?
00:08:15.880 I, you know, I'm so sick and tired of hearing what we did in the 1800s.
00:08:21.300 Do you know the Trail of Tears?
00:08:23.840 Yes, I know the Trail of Tears.
00:08:25.280 It was awful.
00:08:26.500 You know who did it?
00:08:29.280 Democratic President Jackson, a despicable human being.
00:08:36.320 He took our founding principles and turned them upside down.
00:08:40.520 That's not an American thing to do.
00:08:45.980 That's all you talk about.
00:08:47.940 Well, I got it.
00:08:48.860 I got it.
00:08:49.540 How about we talk about the Japanese and Unit 731?
00:08:54.100 Worse, worse, worse than the Nazis. 0.95
00:08:59.200 Now that's saying something.
00:09:01.860 Worse than the Nazis. 0.92
00:09:05.000 They went in and they said the only problem with Mongolia is all these Mongols. 0.99
00:09:10.200 Tried to kill them all.
00:09:12.800 They just stormed into China.
00:09:15.940 Where was the white man there?
00:09:17.620 Speaking of China, how about Mao?
00:09:19.600 50 million dead.
00:09:21.840 Was he led by a white man?
00:09:24.020 North Korea.
00:09:25.940 Concentration camps.
00:09:27.600 Where's the white guy?
00:09:30.560 Rwanda.
00:09:32.160 Rwanda.
00:09:33.960 Where's the white guy there?
00:09:35.600 You see, Don, it is not a race problem.
00:09:42.740 It is a human problem.
00:09:46.000 But nobody really wants to talk about that because nobody's really looking for an answer.
00:09:51.860 Good God almighty.
00:09:53.620 Can we decide if we want to save this or not?
00:09:58.720 Do you want to save it?
00:10:01.040 No one wants to discuss mental health.
00:10:03.140 No one wants to discuss addiction to drugs, loneliness, disconnection from community, the decline of religion.
00:10:11.180 The list goes on and on and on.
00:10:13.360 It's all about yes, but which party did you vote for?
00:10:17.800 It's easy to see why you hear, you know, when you hear people like Don Lemon spew this, and this is, Don, hate.
00:10:25.320 But, spew this hate that CNN actually has the gall to call objective reporting.
00:10:34.560 And to the over 100 million white men out there, you can forget switching a Geico. 0.66
00:10:46.280 You've just saved tons of money by never having to buy a Halloween costume ever again because you're the biggest terror threat in the country.
00:10:54.940 Just show up in your golf pants.
00:10:56.600 Oh, because I know what you want to do with that golf club.
00:11:02.300 You just want to beat people to death.
00:11:04.700 Read a great Washington Post editorial.
00:11:07.720 After a deranged Democrat living in his van nearly assassinated Republican Steve Scalise, firing more than 70 rounds at House Republicans practicing for the congressional baseball game,
00:11:21.220 House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi declared it outrageous that anyone would blame Democratic rhetoric for inspiring the shooter.
00:11:30.700 Quote, how dare they say such a thing, Pelosi thundered.
00:11:34.480 Never mind that the shooter echoed Democratic vitriol against the president, ranting on Facebook that Trump is guilty and should go to prison for treason.
00:11:45.860 And that, quote, Trump has destroyed our democracy.
00:11:50.320 It's time to destroy Trump and company.
00:11:53.780 Now, Democrats are doing exactly what they condemned.
00:11:57.580 Man, it is so easy.
00:11:59.980 Doesn't it feel good, Stu, to get up in the morning and know that I don't have to answer for my positions in the past because I've been consistent?
00:12:09.080 I didn't blame the Democrats for that shooting.
00:12:11.160 I'm not blaming Donald Trump for this.
00:12:13.100 Yeah, feels good.
00:12:14.120 Feels really good.
00:12:16.260 Democrats are doing exactly what they condemn, blaming President Trump's divisive rhetoric for the recent spat of mail bomb attacks and the massacre at Pittsburgh synagogue.
00:12:25.460 The truth is, they ceded the moral high ground years ago.
00:12:30.280 Our dissent into vitriol began long before Trump and Democrats and their allies are as culpable as the president.
00:12:38.700 Notice he even said this.
00:12:40.700 They're as culpable.
00:12:44.060 He didn't say they're responsible.
00:12:46.200 It's their fault.
00:12:48.240 Finally, somebody with reason is saying, yeah, both sides.
00:12:52.420 Recall that in 2000, the NAACP spent millions on ugly ads accusing George W. Bush of moral equivalence with white supremacists who brutally lynched James Byrd in 1998.
00:13:07.360 Quote, my father was beaten, chained, and then dragged three miles to his death, all because he was black, said Byrd's daughter, as the screen flashed grainy images of a chain dragging a body behind a pickup truck.
00:13:19.640 So when Governor George W. Bush refused to support hate crime legislation, it was like my father was killed all over again.
00:13:28.480 Was that the Republicans doing that?
00:13:30.660 Are you demonizing?
00:13:33.080 Could you look up demonizing?
00:13:34.820 I just want to make sure.
00:13:36.020 It's assigning characteristics of the devil.
00:13:44.540 No.
00:13:45.180 Barack Obama set the tone for his 2008 campaign against John McCain when he declared, if they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.
00:13:56.840 John Lewis, Democrat from Georgia, answered that call when he compared McCain to the segregationist Alabama's governor, George Wallace,
00:14:07.960 and declared McCain was replicating the climate of hatred and division.
00:14:13.680 John frickin' McCain.
00:14:17.520 That led to the attacks on civil rights workers.
00:14:20.720 Four years later, a pro-Obama super PAC ran ads showing GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan pushing an old lady in a wheelchair over the side of a cliff,
00:14:30.760 while another ran a false ad blaming Mitt Romney for a woman's death from cancer.
00:14:37.580 Can we just all agree on this?
00:14:40.660 Because I was not a supporter of Mitt Romney.
00:14:44.980 His policies are all screwed up.
00:14:47.700 However, Mitt Romney is a good guy.
00:14:50.160 He's a nice guy.
00:14:52.120 He's not a—he's—how do you demonize Mitt Romney?
00:14:54.940 They did.
00:14:56.600 And when the—when the left was honest for about five minutes after they got beaten by Donald Trump,
00:15:04.540 I heard one of them say,
00:15:06.840 you know what, we kind of brought this on ourselves because we rejected and demonized people like Mitt Romney.
00:15:13.400 Yes, yes, you're exactly right.
00:15:16.380 But during the 2016 campaign, Hillary Clinton compared Republicans to Nazis,
00:15:23.580 saying regard to legal immigrants, they wanted to round them up and put them into boxcars. 0.98
00:15:30.780 So let's see.
00:15:31.960 Let's see.
00:15:33.420 Let's see.
00:15:34.540 Demonizing.
00:15:35.520 We've got to stop with this rhetoric.
00:15:37.840 Putting them into boxcars.
00:15:40.040 You're saying that Donald Trump is going to round people up and put them into camps like Auschwitz?
00:15:47.520 She compared the GOP to terrorists, just what Don Lemon did today.
00:15:51.820 Now extreme views on women.
00:15:53.720 We expect that from—we expect that from some of the terrorist groups.
00:15:57.960 We expect that from people who don't want to live in a modern world.
00:16:01.620 But it's a little hard to take from the Republicans.
00:16:03.880 She listed the Republicans alongside the Iranians as the enemies she was most proud of making. 1.00
00:16:11.540 So press, don't tell me about Donald Trump calling you an enemy.
00:16:18.280 Unless you're also going to point out that maybe the other side should stop as well.
00:16:23.840 Because they both should stop.
00:16:27.300 Oh.
00:16:30.060 I am not doing any good here.
00:16:32.060 I just don't know what—I don't know how to do my job anymore.
00:16:36.140 When Trump took office, Democrats abandoned their role as opposition and declared themselves the resistance.
00:16:42.320 Look up the word resistance.
00:16:44.720 In the Oxford Dictionary, you'll see the definition.
00:16:47.740 The use of force or violence to oppose someone or something.
00:16:53.420 Professor of political science at University of Indiana notes the word resistance.
00:16:59.000 First surfaces in debates about tyrannicide.
00:17:04.040 The violent removal from power of misbehaving kings who usurped authority not properly belonging to them.
00:17:12.660 Scalise would have been forgiven for pointing out that his would-be assassin took Democrats' calls to resistance, literally.
00:17:19.500 More recently, some Democrats were peddling the unfounded accusations that Brett Kavanaugh participated in gang rapes in an effort to destroy the Supreme Court nominee.
00:17:30.740 Clinton defended smash-mouth tactics declaring you can't be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for.
00:17:37.900 Well, I've got to ask you this.
00:17:40.160 What is it we stand for?
00:17:42.460 Hillary, what is it you stand for?
00:17:44.700 And don't use your fancy little political, all your focus group words.
00:17:52.980 What are the Democratic—what does the Democratic Party stand for?
00:17:57.420 And if you use their focus group, well, equality, justice, and fairness, but what does that mean?
00:18:07.900 Redistribution of wealth.
00:18:10.780 Redistribution of power.
00:18:14.380 Forcibly.
00:18:16.600 What does the Republican Party stand for?
00:18:19.360 I don't know.
00:18:20.820 I can tell you what I stand for.
00:18:22.860 I can tell you what I think the vast majority of Americans stand for.
00:18:31.120 All men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, and among these rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
00:18:41.340 That you have a right to freedom of speech.
00:18:43.720 That nobody should be able to shut down the press.
00:18:47.120 That you have a right to assemble with whoever it is you want to assemble with.
00:18:50.580 You have a right to petition your government.
00:18:52.380 You have a right to protect yourself.
00:18:54.580 The government can't come in and just say, oh, yeah, by the way, we're just going to live here.
00:19:00.440 The government can't come in and tap your phones, go through your papers.
00:19:04.800 You can't be forced to testify against yourself.
00:19:08.960 There's no cruel and unusual punishment.
00:19:12.360 There's a lot more.
00:19:13.800 But those rights that we're not naming, they belong to the individual.
00:19:20.080 And there's some other powers, too.
00:19:22.220 Those things belong to the state.
00:19:24.640 That's the Bill of Rights.
00:19:26.540 That's what we have in common.
00:19:28.360 That's what we should stand for.
00:19:30.380 That's what will bring us back together.
00:19:32.840 But no one wants to talk about that.
00:19:36.060 Because that's a solution.
00:19:40.380 That's a solution.
00:19:45.220 You know, when we started this country, we had a group of people in Congress that wanted a solution.
00:19:52.360 We don't have that now.
00:19:56.440 We don't have that.
00:19:57.640 And we are growing further and further apart to where the people aren't even looking for a solution anymore.
00:20:04.520 Well, once you've gotten to that point, you're done.
00:20:07.180 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.
00:20:18.100 Now, Pat, I don't know if you've seen the latest, but the environmentalists who, you know, they care about, you know, they care about the animals.
00:20:29.380 They care about the planet.
00:20:31.380 They care about everything.
00:20:32.320 They believe we should kill our pets now because we have this compulsion to seek out animal companionship.
00:20:42.780 It is one of our primary factors affecting our climate, particularly in the United States, where there are 163 million companion animals, roughly one pet for every two Americans, the highest number of any country in the world.
00:21:02.320 And those 163 million pets have a detrimental impact on the environment from the food they consume to the waste they produce.
00:21:10.660 So the best thing we can do is kill our pets.
00:21:13.900 Euthanize every one of our pets.
00:21:16.500 I don't know about you, but I care about the planet.
00:21:17.960 I'm willing to do all.
00:21:18.800 I'm willing to euthanize all the cats.
00:21:20.000 I'm willing to get rid of all of them.
00:21:21.980 Yes.
00:21:22.240 All of the cats.
00:21:23.160 Get rid of all of them.
00:21:23.700 Just the cats, though?
00:21:24.760 Yeah.
00:21:26.000 Yeah, I think so.
00:21:27.240 You seem to be a bit anti-cat.
00:21:28.720 That's why I'm just asking.
00:21:29.520 Well, did you see also that the cats are responsible for killing over a billion birds a year?
00:21:35.900 Yeah.
00:21:36.340 Yeah, so.
00:21:37.420 Yeah, they're bad for the environment, too.
00:21:38.840 Six billion small animals.
00:21:40.800 Yeah.
00:21:41.220 But a billion birds, specifically.
00:21:43.760 Did you see that?
00:21:44.700 And for the extinction of many bird species.
00:21:46.480 No, there was a news story out that talked about the predator that is in your house.
00:21:52.380 And it is a cat.
00:21:53.840 And they are killing birds and billions of animals.
00:21:59.980 Billions of animals.
00:22:01.840 And we have to euthanize the cats.
00:22:04.960 And I'm willing to go there.
00:22:06.360 I am, too.
00:22:06.860 Because, first of all, I've got a theory about cat owners.
00:22:11.940 And, you know.
00:22:12.860 I do, too.
00:22:13.760 If you have one, you're worth monitoring.
00:22:17.040 Okay, we should monitor you.
00:22:17.920 No, I think you can have one, but your family should notice.
00:22:21.480 Yes.
00:22:22.060 Yes.
00:22:22.400 I don't want to be monitored.
00:22:23.820 For two, you start monitoring.
00:22:25.220 Yes.
00:22:25.860 Two, you should have to register at the school.
00:22:28.700 You should have to register with maybe local law enforcement.
00:22:33.220 We should just know where you are.
00:22:34.780 Yeah, at all times.
00:22:35.740 At all times.
00:22:36.300 At all times.
00:22:37.120 If you have three, you've got to be institutionalized.
00:22:40.880 Oh, really?
00:22:41.460 Yeah, institutionalized.
00:22:42.640 See, I think more than three is when you need to be destroyed at some point.
00:22:50.080 I don't know why spend the money on institutions.
00:22:51.900 Yes, right.
00:22:53.220 Institutionalization.
00:22:53.680 Right.
00:22:53.900 We know you're crazy.
00:22:55.560 Something's going to happen.
00:22:57.360 Everybody's going to go.
00:22:57.960 Well, you're going to wind up dead, and the cats are going to eat you anyway.
00:23:00.840 Yeah, so, I mean, we might as well just, so you avoid all that.
00:23:04.260 Yeah.
00:23:05.000 But I think you're right.
00:23:06.820 Cat people are disturbing.
00:23:08.200 They really are.
00:23:08.960 Disturbing.
00:23:09.280 Can you do all this with executive order?
00:23:11.160 Do you need to get legislation?
00:23:12.620 No, this is perfectly fine from an executive order.
00:23:15.600 Yeah.
00:23:15.820 Yeah.
00:23:16.060 Yeah.
00:23:16.680 So, Trump can just do this today.
00:23:18.420 Sure, he wants to.
00:23:19.300 Sure, he can.
00:23:19.560 He's got the power.
00:23:20.120 Just like he can with the executive order on the border.
00:23:23.460 Ah, Constitution.
00:23:24.780 Yeah, executive order.
00:23:26.860 I mean, this is compelling.
00:23:27.780 Can I ask you, where do you stand on that executive order, Pat?
00:23:31.220 Um, we heard this from Pat yesterday.
00:23:34.040 Yeah, I guess we did.
00:23:34.780 Same place as yesterday.
00:23:35.960 So, we talked about this yesterday after we spoke, and, um, there's a pretty good case
00:23:45.120 made by originalists that say, no, no, no, you, birthright anchor, anchor babies, that's
00:23:54.560 what they meant, and that's right.
00:23:57.080 Yeah, it's interesting that there's two sides of it among people.
00:24:00.620 Among conservatives.
00:24:01.500 Among conservatives, which is why, these are the types of issues I find most interesting.
00:24:05.280 What is the case for?
00:24:06.460 So, let me give you a little piece of it here, and I'll tweet this out, at World of Stew as
00:24:09.960 well, if you want to read the whole thing.
00:24:11.520 You will dismantle it quickly, because I did.
00:24:14.980 But it's interesting that it's coming from a conservative originalist.
00:24:20.400 You felt that you dismantled this quickly?
00:24:22.320 Oh, yeah.
00:24:22.660 Okay.
00:24:24.960 Oh, yeah.
00:24:25.600 You don't feel like you did?
00:24:27.080 Yeah.
00:24:27.240 No, it's interesting.
00:24:28.240 No, I'll give you my case.
00:24:29.040 Okay.
00:24:29.300 So, James Madison said, it is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance.
00:24:36.800 Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage.
00:24:41.600 But in general, place is the most certain criterion.
00:24:45.100 It is what applies in the United States.
00:24:47.960 It will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.
00:24:51.000 This goes on to then, quote, this is Edward Bates, President Lincoln's Attorney General.
00:24:59.420 Wait, wait, wait.
00:24:59.860 Can we separate these two?
00:25:01.140 Because the first one is James Madison.
00:25:03.100 Hard to take it apart, because it's James Madison, right?
00:25:05.980 Yeah.
00:25:06.280 However, James Madison, I think in this particular case, James Madison is looking at something
00:25:14.640 different.
00:25:15.420 He's not-
00:25:15.920 He's looking at whether you came from Great Britain or not.
00:25:17.800 Correct.
00:25:18.220 He's not talking about people who are coming in, trying to drop off to be able to take
00:25:22.100 stuff or bring the whole family in.
00:25:25.200 Were you born in the colonies or were you born in Great Britain?
00:25:27.580 Correct.
00:25:27.860 And they answered that two ways.
00:25:29.920 If you were born here, you don't need naturalization.
00:25:33.260 However, you also have to be born here to be president.
00:25:37.580 And that's what they were worried about.
00:25:38.940 They were worried about these English coming in.
00:25:42.780 Try this out for size.
00:25:44.260 They were worried about the English coming in and just saying, hey, I'm American.
00:25:50.500 I'm living here and I'm American, so I can vote.
00:25:53.400 Because they knew that if all these English people came in, they would change the country. 1.00
00:25:59.940 That's why they didn't want a foreigner as president as well.
00:26:04.960 You had to be born here.
00:26:06.620 So they were trying to protect it at that time from the English coming in and screwing up the 0.98
00:26:13.220 country with a vote, which is what we're dealing with now.
00:26:16.400 I think I agree with that.
00:26:17.820 Although he's saying if you're born here, you are.
00:26:20.920 You do have those rights.
00:26:21.760 Because it was a it was a different time and a different problem.
00:26:26.860 Yep.
00:26:27.320 And I say, like, as much as I love James Madison, I love the founders.
00:26:30.460 It's almost less important what they thought about this particular issue because it was
00:26:35.320 an amendment to the Constitution.
00:26:36.280 Right.
00:26:36.760 We're talking about the 14th Amendment.
00:26:38.400 Yeah, they do.
00:26:39.180 And that's why you have to separate James Madison, because that's not constitutional.
00:26:43.280 He didn't put that in the Constitution.
00:26:45.080 Well, that was put in under Lincoln.
00:26:47.240 And and so now go to that, because that's a different argument as well.
00:26:51.400 Well, so so this is now Edward Bates is President Lincoln's attorney general.
00:26:57.500 So we're in a pretty this is, again, a few years right before they do the 14th Amendment.
00:27:02.060 It incorporates the language and is this is from the article from National Review.
00:27:08.160 Properly understood to have codified Attorney General Bates contemporary understanding.
00:27:11.920 This is what he says.
00:27:13.160 I am quite clear in the opinion that children born in the United States of alien parents who have never been naturalized are native born citizens of the United States.
00:27:22.720 And, of course, do not require the formality of naturalization to entitle them to the rights and privileges of such citizenship.
00:27:29.820 Isn't there more?
00:27:31.320 That is the end of that quote.
00:27:32.860 I thought there was something else, too, about or maybe it was in James Madison that they had come in the proper way or something.
00:27:39.620 I thought I heard that earlier today.
00:27:41.320 But the the the Abraham Lincoln thing is just the same.
00:27:46.580 Remember, still wasn't a constitutional thing because there wasn't a 14th Amendment yet.
00:27:50.900 I know he's writing it.
00:27:52.220 This is this is the beginning of it.
00:27:53.720 So the first one is how do we know who a citizen is?
00:27:57.740 Because it's almost all well, it is at that point, all immigrants, except those who had come over in the Mayflower or had their relatives come over before him. 1.00
00:28:06.400 So it's very small number.
00:28:07.600 It was mainly immigrants.
00:28:09.600 So how do you know who is an American?
00:28:11.880 Well, were you born here?
00:28:13.300 That was it.
00:28:14.140 That was the question of who's an American at that time, because it was mainly, you know, people from England and they were worried about the English coming in.
00:28:24.700 So you're born here.
00:28:26.640 You're a citizen.
00:28:27.540 You can serve.
00:28:28.740 You can vote.
00:28:29.520 Starting to get a pretty serious German influx, too.
00:28:32.260 Yes, serious German.
00:28:33.440 And they were freaked by that.
00:28:34.940 The the second thing is with with Lincoln, he's trying to solve a different problem.
00:28:42.920 He's trying to solve at that point, the Democrat, literally the Democratic Party.
00:28:49.420 This is their first attempt before poll taxes and, you know, moving the polling place and all of the crap that they did.
00:28:58.320 The first thing was, oh, well, you know, you're not OK.
00:29:02.240 You might be you might be a citizen, but your kids, your kids weren't slaves.
00:29:07.960 So your kids aren't citizens.
00:29:09.740 He's they're trying to say, stop it, stop it.
00:29:15.220 We're talking about the slaves.
00:29:17.720 The slaves are free.
00:29:19.800 They're citizens.
00:29:20.840 And so are their children that you have to look at the 13th and 14th Amendment for what it was talking about and what it was trying to do.
00:29:30.160 It was trying to say to the Democrats, stop it.
00:29:35.320 But these are human beings and they are citizens.
00:29:39.980 I'd be fascinated to hear these two sides talk this out because they're both coming from the conservative perspective.
00:29:45.000 It's not like, you know, Chris Cuomo versus somebody you trust.
00:29:49.380 Right.
00:29:49.480 These are both sides of the argument.
00:29:50.740 I think are really they're interesting.
00:29:52.240 I don't because I think you're right.
00:29:53.800 But sometimes that is because that is definitely what they were intending.
00:29:56.720 Right.
00:29:57.020 It was about slavery.
00:29:57.920 However, sometimes you that is also there's there are not unintended, but intended consequences where you would you would absorb a larger group to make sure one group is.
00:30:09.200 There is no way the intent is that if you come here from Mexico, Central or South America and you have a baby and everybody who does that is now a citizen.
00:30:19.560 There's no way that was there are Russian tours now that take you Chinese to take you to Miami.
00:30:26.420 The Russians go to Miami. 0.96
00:30:27.680 You stay here for a few weeks.
00:30:29.680 You have the baby here.
00:30:30.940 You're your your child as American citizenship.
00:30:34.020 Same thing in Hawaii with the Asians. 1.00
00:30:37.140 It's big in Hawaii, but probably also big in California.
00:30:41.140 That's not what they were talking about.
00:30:44.360 This is a different problem.
00:30:46.320 Yeah, the the Constitution, the first 10 in the Bill of Rights, those are universal.
00:30:53.060 Those are gigantic.
00:30:55.180 So when somebody says it's in the Bill of Rights, well, is it in the first 10?
00:31:00.580 Because the first 10 are global.
00:31:03.160 People, pretty much, with an exception of new ideas, pretty much the the the rest of them are a restating of the first one where they had to get very specific and say, no, dummy, women, women are part of all men are created equal.
00:31:21.260 Women can vote. 1.00
00:31:23.100 Same thing with blacks in the 13th and 14th Amendment. 0.98
00:31:28.180 They were specific where the where the amendments are very broad.
00:31:34.160 The first 10 would have made sense for them to think that in Dallas, Texas, United States of America at Parkland Hospital, 75 percent of the babies born there are born to illegals.
00:31:45.780 And now they're all citizens.
00:31:47.000 No, that doesn't make sense to anybody.
00:31:49.260 That doesn't I definitely don't think it's a good idea.
00:31:51.800 It's not a good idea.
00:31:53.360 The Constitution, this is this this is the best phrase.
00:31:57.660 And I just I can't understand how people don't understand this.
00:32:03.080 The Constitution was not meant to be a suicide pact.
00:32:07.900 That's positive, right?
00:32:09.140 But that's also a very dangerous phrase.
00:32:11.320 Like it's I and I feel like that's the same argument people use with the Second Amendment.
00:32:14.900 Oh, well, they would they look I mean at the time they only had these little weapons and it was not we're not look while we're sure they wanted freedom of guns.
00:32:22.500 I mean, these guns are too big and too brutal.
00:32:24.500 And this is not meant to be a suicide.
00:32:26.000 No, when I'm talking about suicide pack, I mean on the principles on the principles.
00:32:30.940 It's not meant to be a suicide pack.
00:32:32.620 If we follow these principles, you won't have a Constitution.
00:32:36.540 You won't have America anymore.
00:32:39.760 You just won't because nobody is nobody doing it for 100 years and we still have America.
00:32:45.300 We're doing it differently now.
00:32:47.340 There was not the have a baby tourism back in 1900.
00:32:51.480 No, I mean, it's certainly being exploited at some levels.
00:32:53.720 Right.
00:32:54.280 I mean, but that does not mean you then you know, like, let's just say we went through.
00:32:58.980 But your argument is an argument to amend the Constitution.
00:33:01.460 Right.
00:33:01.620 Let's just say if their intent was at the beginning, let's just say it was that we wanted it.
00:33:06.360 We want aliens to just come in and have been dropped babies over here and they're going to be anchor babies and they're going to get citizenship. 0.88
00:33:11.340 Let's just say that was their intent.
00:33:12.400 I don't think it was, but let's just say it was if that was true.
00:33:15.780 And back then people weren't exploiting it.
00:33:18.220 And now people are.
00:33:19.300 You'd have to amend the Constitution, not to just say we now think you can't do it.
00:33:23.620 That's the problem.
00:33:24.020 If you want to change guns, don't make some slippery argument.
00:33:27.600 Yeah, just amend it.
00:33:28.840 18th Amendment, 21st Amendment.
00:33:30.880 We said, you know what?
00:33:32.220 We're going to ban all alcohol.
00:33:34.400 We did it.
00:33:35.560 Bad idea.
00:33:36.560 21st Amendment, forget the 18th Amendment. 1.00
00:33:39.720 We need a drink.
00:33:41.900 Right.
00:33:42.480 Yeah.
00:33:42.720 And that's the way you're supposed to do it.
00:33:45.220 Yeah.
00:33:45.580 And they don't want to do it that way because it's hard.
00:33:49.260 It's hard.
00:33:50.120 And they know that it's impossible to make the argument because when you do something that big, you actually have to think about it.
00:33:59.420 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.
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00:34:19.460 Well, a lot of social justice warriors were excited when they heard that Whitey had died yesterday, but different Whitey. 1.00
00:34:25.380 This was the mob guy, Whitey Bulger.
00:34:28.640 He was 89 years old, found unresponsive yesterday at 8.20 in the morning.
00:34:34.900 He had been in custody since Monday.
00:34:37.900 They were transferring him.
00:34:39.140 They moved him from a prison in Florida and had a stop in Oklahoma City before moving to West Virginia.
00:34:45.240 He was attacked by three men in the general population sector of the prison.
00:34:50.160 One of the men used a lock tucked into a sock as a weapon.
00:34:55.100 It's a Dr. Seuss thing.
00:34:56.380 I mean, it's a Halloween, Dr. Seuss.
00:34:58.920 We should write that.
00:34:59.820 Anyway, and then the group attempted to gouge his eyes out.
00:35:03.460 Okay, I mean, you know, why not?
00:35:06.960 I'm John Johnson, but everyone around here likes to call me Nancy.
00:35:13.520 So this guy is a notorious, by the way, the guy who killed him, what a surprise, a mob hitman.
00:35:20.660 At least that's who they think.
00:35:22.520 This guy's notorious, a legend in the mob world.
00:35:26.280 Here's a clip from a documentary about him.
00:35:29.080 Whitey's just staring at me and just grinding his teeth. 1.00
00:35:33.560 He said, I'll kill you.
00:35:34.780 I'll stab you and then I'll kill you.
00:35:36.300 I'm like, holy.
00:35:41.020 Whitey killed my sister. 1.00
00:35:42.980 Took her teeth out.
00:35:43.980 Whitey popped them and killed. 1.00
00:35:45.140 Ball jazz, if you want, it won him in the head and shot him in the head.
00:35:48.320 He murdered people there, he buried people there, and he went to sleep there.
00:35:54.320 There were over 25 years where Bulger ruled the organized crime world.
00:35:59.300 He was never charged with even a misdemeanor.
00:36:03.540 Whitey Bulger faces possible maximum life in prison.
00:36:07.680 This isn't really a typical criminal trial.
00:36:10.380 This is not about getting acquitted.
00:36:12.060 Don't you want to know what really went on?
00:36:14.920 Is the government excited about having Bulger come back?
00:36:17.840 Some people certainly are, but there are others who have many sleepless nights
00:36:22.160 about what James Bulger is going to testify to.
00:36:25.100 I ask the questions.
00:36:26.620 I get the answers for money.
00:36:29.900 This is from a documentary, a great documentary called Whitey,
00:36:33.480 the United States of America versus James J. Bulger.
00:36:37.660 The director is Joe Berlinger, and he's on with us now.
00:36:41.520 Hi, Joe.
00:36:41.980 How are you?
00:36:42.460 Hey, how are you?
00:36:43.460 Good.
00:36:43.860 Good to hear from you.
00:36:44.540 So for people who don't follow Whitey, tell his story. 0.56
00:36:51.500 It's a long and complicated tale, but in a nutshell, he ran South Boston,
00:36:58.920 a neighborhood called Southie.
00:37:00.420 And over a 25-year period, he basically was allowed to kill with impunity.
00:37:06.980 As we later found out, he was, you know, allowed to be an informant for the FBI.
00:37:13.080 The FBI's mandate in the 80s was to bring down the mafia.
00:37:16.440 And to do that, they used Whitey and some of his associates as informants,
00:37:23.640 which in and of itself is okay, but they then turned a blind eye.
00:37:29.540 You know, when you're an informant for the federal government, it's not a license to kill.
00:37:34.140 And he was allowed to basically run roughshod over the streets of South Boston.
00:37:39.580 And he had a strange hold over the neighborhood as well.
00:37:44.580 There was a lot of folklore that he was like kind of a Robin Hood, you know,
00:37:48.300 giving turkeys to family members and doing nice things for the neighborhood and keeping drugs out.
00:37:54.220 But as the trial that is the subject of my documentary reveals, a lot of that was just myth.
00:38:03.000 I mean, he was one of the biggest drug runners in the area.
00:38:05.580 But he was, you know, the big unknown story that's not being talked about is, you know,
00:38:10.460 he's often thought of as an informant, but his informing really didn't produce much.
00:38:18.780 And, in fact, he was really allowed to just, you know, create a lot of victims.
00:38:23.780 So a lot of the victims of Bolger are still very angry with the federal government and the Department of Justice.
00:38:29.400 Who would the victims be?
00:38:30.940 You know, dozens of families who were the victims of Whitey's crimes. 0.98
00:38:38.700 I mean, Whitey would... 1.00
00:38:39.980 Oh, I see what you're saying.
00:38:41.040 But did he put anybody behind bars?
00:38:43.340 Did he have...
00:38:44.420 Did he rat out anybody that...
00:38:47.480 In the end, did the government get anything?
00:38:50.420 That's open to debate.
00:38:52.520 You know, the Boston Globe would tell you that, yes, yes, he was a wonderful informant
00:38:57.120 in that they broke the story, but there's evidence to suggest that it was a greater cover for just protecting Whitey
00:39:05.080 because with the federal authorities trying to crack down on the mob, on the Italian mafia,
00:39:13.960 any hit on the mafia would have to run through Bolger's Winter Hill Gang.
00:39:19.560 And some people feel and claim, and there was strong evidence to suggest, that the informing part was just a cover.
00:39:28.020 And really, they were allowing Whitey to live so that the then head of the strike force in New England 0.97
00:39:35.580 to bring down the Italian mafia, a guy named Jeremiah T. O'Sullivan, was looking for a little quid pro quo,
00:39:42.540 like, hey, Whitey, we'll let you do your thing as long as you make sure the mob doesn't, you know, kill me.
00:39:50.600 Because there were incidents of lawyers and prosecutors getting killed in retaliation for bringing down the mob.
00:40:00.260 So, you know, a lot of those allegations have not been proven,
00:40:03.440 but his real connection to the information that he gave as being actually great and valid information
00:40:12.200 is to me one of the myths of this case.
00:40:16.100 You know, we need much longer time period to really discuss it,
00:40:20.640 but the documentary kind of delves into how much free reign the guy was given.
00:40:25.740 And again, if you're an informant for the government, it doesn't mean you can go out and commit crimes.
00:40:30.700 It means you're working hand-in-hand with the government in exchange for some benefit,
00:40:35.380 like not being prosecuted or a lesser sentence.
00:40:39.160 It doesn't mean, oh, please, go out and rob, kill, steal, and maim people.
00:40:44.640 And there have been several civil suits brought against the Department of Justice
00:40:49.660 that have not gone in the family's direction.
00:40:53.420 And so there's still a lot of bitter feelings amongst the people who were victims of Bulger's crime,
00:40:59.880 some of whom were, you know, criminals themselves, but that doesn't, that doesn't.
00:41:03.500 Yeah, it's still murder.
00:41:04.680 The end doesn't justify the means.
00:41:06.420 Correct.
00:41:06.880 This guy, for a quarter century, was allowed to just kill with impunity.
00:41:12.520 I mean, he was tipped off in advance about wiretaps.
00:41:17.080 He was tipped off in advance about potential raids.
00:41:20.000 So it's really a complicated—and, in fact, some people believe that the 16 years he was on the lam,
00:41:26.340 living in an apartment in Santa Monica with his girlfriend, Catherine Grieg,
00:41:31.220 there are many, including myself, who believe that the government really wasn't looking very hard for him
00:41:37.180 until a new regime came in, and then after 16 years, they decided to bring him to justice.
00:41:42.660 And there was a trial in the summer of 2013.
00:41:46.500 So let's talk a little bit about the first myth that you talked about,
00:41:50.040 that he was known as a, you know, a good guy in the neighborhood.
00:41:53.460 Isn't that—I mean, this is my impression, and maybe I'm wrong on this.
00:41:57.360 Isn't that kind of the thing with, you know, Al Capone tried to do that,
00:42:02.280 and, you know, people like to think that, oh, no, these guys are just, you know,
00:42:07.420 they're whacking just the bad guys.
00:42:09.140 They're actually good family men.
00:42:10.920 You know, there was a day when you would kill a man, and then you'd send his wife flowers.
00:42:16.700 Yeah.
00:42:17.220 Is that—is any of that true?
00:42:20.440 That seems to be the case that, you know, he also did some very good things as well,
00:42:26.040 you know, at times, but for some people.
00:42:29.920 And also, for example, there was a big busing crisis in South Boston.
00:42:34.240 And, you know, there was an attempt to desegregate, and there was a busing order issued.
00:42:42.320 And Whitey actually was very vociferous, you know, in campaigning against it, 0.55
00:42:48.220 and that kind of rallied South Boston residents to him.
00:42:53.100 But not because he was a good guy, but because, I mean, that helped create cover for him and goodwill.
00:43:00.500 Yeah, exactly.
00:43:02.540 And his brother was a famous politician, so there was a lot of confusion there as well, you know, with Bill Bolger,
00:43:10.420 president of the University of Massachusetts and a prominent politician.
00:43:15.540 So there was a lot of messy gray areas there with the Bolger family. 0.99
00:43:18.940 So was he involved—was he just the guy saying, yeah, whack him, or was he involved in the killings?
00:43:25.740 Oh, he took pleasure in being involved in the killings.
00:43:29.720 And, you know, his signature—because back then there was no DNA evidence—
00:43:33.380 his signature was removing teeth of his victims, you know, so that they couldn't be identified.
00:43:41.100 But, no, no, he was a willing and ruthless participant in some very grisly murders.
00:43:46.940 And there was a neighborhood house that they had called the Haunty,
00:43:52.640 where a number of these victims were buried in the dirt basement of the actual house that they used as a meeting place.
00:44:01.060 So there's just a lot of grisly detail with this case.
00:44:06.460 But, I mean, the real—for me, the fascinating thing is after 16 years on the lam,
00:44:13.420 they finally caught him in Santa Monica living quiet—you know, living a quiet life, retiree's life. 0.51
00:44:21.580 You know, he had almost $900,000 in cash and stuck in the walls and a coterie of machine guns and weapons,
00:44:30.300 but living just a quiet life.
00:44:32.300 And when he's finally caught and brought back to Boston for trial, you know, he offered to plead guilty in exchange for—
00:44:41.260 this is another—I've been looking at some of the notices, and these are some of the things that have been left out.
00:44:46.520 You know, he offered to plead guilty if they would take it easy on his girlfriend,
00:44:51.020 his, you know, his living girlfriend, Catherine Greek, who joined him for the 16 years of being on the run.
00:44:57.460 And, you know, he was willing to plead guilty if they would take it easy on her and give her some very light treatment.
00:45:05.420 And the government refused.
00:45:07.920 And you have to ask yourself, why did we go through a multimillion-dollar trial for Whitey Bulger when the—
00:45:17.420 you know, the conclusion was foregone at the start of that trial.
00:45:21.240 Well, nobody thought he would be found not guilty.
00:45:23.700 I mean, the evidence was just overwhelming, and it probably would have saved the state quite a bit of money to not try him.
00:45:33.660 But they didn't take it easy on him.
00:45:37.320 How'd they catch him?
00:45:39.120 How'd they catch him?
00:45:39.780 Uh, there was—you know, they decided to focus on the girlfriend, and they placed some advertisements,
00:45:46.860 uh, and, uh, a woman, you know, noticed, uh, not Whitey, but the girlfriend, and called it in and got a nice reward for that. 0.72
00:45:59.560 So, wait, so they prosecuted the woman who turned him in?
00:46:03.460 Uh, well, no, no, no, no, not the woman who turned him in.
00:46:07.200 Oh, another—okay, another woman, not the girlfriend, another woman.
00:46:10.660 Correct.
00:46:11.040 Turned him in.
00:46:11.380 Okay, okay.
00:46:12.160 Yeah.
00:46:12.560 Now, um, he was killed yesterday.
00:46:14.920 I never—I mean, I—besides Dr. Seuss, I didn't know who would come up with a lock in a sock.
00:46:21.640 Uh, but he apparently was—was killed by a guy they think is—what are they—I should say this.
00:46:28.220 There's a guy in prison who was a mob hitman who they think killed him.
00:46:32.840 They know he was a mob hitman.
00:46:35.040 Um, who would—was everybody against this guy?
00:46:38.680 I mean, was he marked for death as soon as they could kill him?
00:46:42.660 Uh, well, look, I don't—I don't have the details of yesterday, and it's, you know, it's hard to say.
00:46:47.480 But, you know, he is responsible for helping, you know, bring down the Italian mafia.
00:46:52.640 So you would imagine that, uh, there would be people who would be out for his—his death.
00:46:58.940 Uh, and you have to question, you know, the—the security, and, you know, it's still unclear to me.
00:47:06.340 I'm still trying to get some information as to why he was being moved and why the multiple moves and why the lack of security.
00:47:12.960 Uh, you know, some people are speculating that this was a purposeful move.
00:47:16.960 Uh, I—I can't say that, but, um, you know, a guy who's involved in multiple murders over decades and involved in bringing down the mafia, uh, you know, would actually—would, you know, be a target.
00:47:32.000 We're—we're talking to, uh, Joe Berlinger.
00:47:33.740 He is, uh, the director of Whitey, United States of America versus James J. Bulger, who is, uh, you know, Whitey. 0.93
00:47:40.360 Um, and, um, I guess—what was it that attracted you to this story?
00:47:46.340 Why—why did you make the film, and what did you—what attracted you to it, and what did you take away from it?
00:47:51.880 Yeah, I mean, I thought that, uh, you know, Bulger finally being brought to trial, because there's—there's such a myth about the guy.
00:48:01.240 There's such folklore, you know, in our society.
00:48:05.960 Unfortunately, we tend to glamorize and make heroes out of criminals.
00:48:10.400 Uh, Bulger probably is the greatest example of that. 0.87
00:48:13.280 There's so much folklore surrounding him, so much hero worship, um, films that kind of downplay the grisly side of—or the—or the aftermath of what he's responsible for,
00:48:25.720 even if it does show the details of—of how people are killed.
00:48:29.180 You know, we—we celebrate criminals in this society, which is—which is an odd phenomenon.
00:48:34.520 And so the idea that he was being brought back to trial, finally, to face the music, I thought would be a great opportunity to kind of separate fact from fiction and to really understand the crimes.
00:48:47.140 That—that was my going-in assumption, but sitting through that trial and witnessing it and getting to know Bulger, uh, in fact, I was the only journalist allowed to actually interview him,
00:48:59.220 because the, uh, defense attorneys basically trusted me versus some other journalists, in part because of my previous work, films like Paradise Lost.
00:49:08.680 Um, uh, you know, what fascinated me and what my big turn was was just how culpable the government has been in allowing a killer to run roughshod over the streets of Boston
00:49:23.640 and how, you know, his informant, you know, if you're going to allow somebody to evade justice for 25 years, you would hope that the record of—
00:49:34.640 What you got out of him.
00:49:35.780 What he—what you got out of him is so rock-solid and so points to, like, oh, my God, this guy was invaluable.
00:49:43.320 But I—the evidence was just not there for me.
00:49:45.960 You know, he was—he was in—he was in the logbooks as being an informant.
00:49:50.740 But, you know, if you really drill into it, there's very little information he gave that the feds didn't already have.
00:49:57.940 And so then the question is, why was he allowed?
00:50:00.680 I mean, even if he gave the best information on the planet and he's directly responsible for the end of the mafia in New England, as we know it, which was not the case,
00:50:10.460 um, you still have to question the wisdom of the government allowing somebody like that to commit murder.
00:50:18.300 And they knew it.
00:50:19.140 Joe, I—
00:50:21.240 Multiple times.
00:50:22.240 Thank you very much.
00:50:23.340 And if you want to see the video, you can—you can check it out online and watch it out.
00:50:30.440 It's got kind of a good—kind of a weird Halloween kind of movie to check out.
00:50:36.000 Thank you very much, Joe.
00:50:37.300 Thank you.
00:50:37.840 Bye-bye.
00:50:38.000 Bye-bye.
00:50:38.100 Bye-bye.
00:50:43.200 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.
00:50:49.140 Hey, Stu, what's, uh, what's the date today?
00:51:00.460 Um, it's October 31st, Glenn.
00:51:02.300 Which is?
00:51:03.300 Uh, currently Halloween, unless it gets changed.
00:51:05.240 Currently Halloween.
00:51:06.180 Currently.
00:51:06.720 It's always October 31st.
00:51:08.500 It is.
00:51:08.920 And on October 31st, what do we do?
00:51:11.380 Besides get fat with candy. 0.99
00:51:13.000 Well, that's the main thing, but also we play the Telltale Heart because that, uh, it's a—it's a Halloween tradition, uh, and people love it.
00:51:21.040 We always hear about people when they're trick-or-treating, um, at the house, they—when they—when they have people coming to the house to trick-or-treat, they play it on speakers by the house.
00:51:29.000 Oh, that's cool.
00:51:29.560 You're telling of Telltale Heart.
00:51:30.740 Yeah, very cool.
00:51:31.320 Uh, you can get it on iTunes and everything else.
00:51:33.280 Lots of Edgar Allan Poe this year.
00:51:34.780 Just the Telltale Heart.
00:51:36.680 It's Wednesday, October 31st.
00:51:39.460 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.
00:51:44.520 It was a crime of contempt.
00:51:47.540 One young man's logic misguided through the onslaught of insanity.
00:51:52.440 His name remains unspoken, but his crime is unforgettable.
00:51:58.960 This is his story.
00:52:02.260 True.
00:52:03.360 Nervous.
00:52:03.920 Very, very dreadfully nervous, I had been, and am.
00:52:09.020 But why would you say that I'm mad?
00:52:12.000 The disease sharpened my senses, not destroyed, not dulled.
00:52:19.700 Above all, the sense of hearing was acute.
00:52:24.140 I heard all things in heaven and in hell.
00:52:27.220 Oh, I heard many things in hell.
00:52:30.120 Well, then, am I mad?
00:52:34.460 Hearken and observe how healthily, how calmly, I can tell you the whole story.
00:52:42.140 It's impossible to say how the first idea entered my brain, but once conceived, it haunted me day and night.
00:52:50.460 Object, there was none.
00:52:51.940 Passion, there was none.
00:52:53.580 I loved the old man.
00:52:54.820 He had never wronged me.
00:52:55.820 He had never given me insult.
00:52:57.000 For his gold, I had no desire.
00:53:00.220 I think it was his eye.
00:53:02.760 Yes.
00:53:04.360 It was this.
00:53:05.940 He had an eye of a vulture, a pale blue eye with film over it.
00:53:12.160 Whenever it fell upon me, my blood ran cold.
00:53:15.060 Then, so, by degrees, very gradually, I made up my mind to take the life of the old man, and thus rid myself of the eye forever. 0.54
00:53:26.140 Now, this is the point.
00:53:29.940 You fancy me mad.
00:53:31.480 Mad men know nothing.
00:53:33.180 But you should have seen me.
00:53:35.100 You should have seen how wisely I proceeded, with what caution, with what foresight, with what dissimulation I went to work.
00:53:42.080 I was never kinder to the old man than during the whole week before I killed him.
00:53:47.340 And every night, about midnight, I turned the latch of his door and opened it all so gently.
00:53:56.420 And then, when I had made an opening sufficient for my head, I put in a lantern, dark, all closed, closed, so no light shone out.
00:54:05.500 And then, I thrust in my head.
00:54:09.320 Oh, you would have laughed to see how cunningly I thrust it in.
00:54:13.060 I moved it in slowly, very, very slowly, so I may not disturb the old man's sleep.
00:54:20.400 Oh, it took me an hour to place my whole head within the opening, so far that I could see him as he lay upon his bed.
00:54:28.840 Ha! 0.89
00:54:29.520 Would a madman have done something as wise as this?
00:54:32.220 And then, when my head was well within the room, I undid the lantern cautiously, oh, so cautiously, cautiously, for the hinges creaked.
00:54:41.920 I did it just so much that a single thin ray fell upon the vulture eye.
00:54:50.380 And this I did for seven long nights, every night just at midnight.
00:54:56.940 Well, I found the eye always closed, so it was impossible to do the work.
00:55:03.960 I was not the old man who vexed me, but his evil eye.
00:55:09.200 And every morning when the day broke, I went boldly into the chamber and spoke courageously to him,
00:55:14.720 calling him by name in a hearty tone and inquiring how he had passed the night.
00:55:18.720 So, you see, he would have been a very profound old man indeed to suspect that every night, just at twelve,
00:55:26.520 I looked in on him while he slept.
00:55:31.240 Upon the eighth night, I was more than usually cautious in opening the door.
00:55:37.140 A watch's minute hand moves more quickly than did mine.
00:55:40.500 Never before that night had I felt the extent of my own powers, of my sagacity.
00:55:48.380 I could scarcely contain my feelings of triumph.
00:55:51.900 To think that I was there, opening the door little by little,
00:55:56.420 and he not even dream of my secret deeds or thoughts.
00:56:00.480 I fairly chuckled at the idea, and perhaps he heard me,
00:56:03.520 for he moved on the bed suddenly as if starting.
00:56:05.660 Now, you may think that I drew back, but no.
00:56:12.420 His room was black as pitch with thick darkness,
00:56:15.860 for the shutters were closed and fastened through the fear of robbers.
00:56:19.520 And so I knew he could not see the opening of the door,
00:56:21.880 and I kept pushing it on.
00:56:25.140 Steadily.
00:56:26.940 Steadily.
00:56:28.780 I had my head in.
00:56:31.100 I was about to open the lantern when my thumb slipped upon the tin fastening,
00:56:35.500 and the old man sprang up in the bed, crying out,
00:56:37.420 Who's there?
00:56:38.340 I kept quiet.
00:56:39.380 Still, I said nothing.
00:56:42.180 For a whole hour, I did not move a muscle.
00:56:47.860 And in the meantime, I did not hear him lie down.
00:56:51.100 He was still sitting up in bed, listening,
00:56:53.780 just as I had done night after night,
00:56:56.220 hearkening to the death watches in the wall.
00:56:59.000 So, presently, I heard a slight groan,
00:57:04.880 and I knew it was the groan of mortal terror.
00:57:08.740 It was not a groan of pain or of grief.
00:57:11.260 Oh, no.
00:57:11.960 It was the low, stifled sound that arises from the bottom of the soul
00:57:17.000 when overcharged with awe.
00:57:19.720 I knew it would sound well.
00:57:21.200 Many a night, just at midnight, when all the world slept,
00:57:26.520 it had welled up from my own bosom,
00:57:28.760 deepening with a dreadful echo.
00:57:31.020 The terrors that distracted me.
00:57:33.080 Oh, I say I knew it well.
00:57:34.920 I knew what the old man felt and pitied him.
00:57:38.480 Although I chuckled at heart,
00:57:40.300 I knew that he had been laying awake
00:57:42.460 ever since the first slight noise
00:57:44.860 when he turned in the bed.
00:57:46.440 His fears had been ever since growing upon him.
00:57:51.080 He had been trying to fancy them causeless,
00:57:53.380 but could not.
00:57:54.280 He had been saying to himself,
00:57:55.540 It's nothing but the wind in the chimney.
00:57:57.620 It's only a mouse crossing the floor.
00:57:59.780 Or, it's merely a cricket who's made a single chirp.
00:58:04.200 Oh, yes.
00:58:05.140 He had been trying to comfort himself with these suppositions,
00:58:08.660 but he found them all in vain.
00:58:11.100 All in vain.
00:58:12.660 Because death, in approaching him,
00:58:16.940 had stalked with his black shadow before him
00:58:20.240 and enveloped the victim.
00:58:22.760 And it was the mournful influence of the unperceived shadow
00:58:26.860 that caused him to feel,
00:58:29.580 although he never saw nor heard,
00:58:32.740 to feel the presence of my head within the room.
00:58:37.200 When I had waited a very long time,
00:58:42.240 very patiently,
00:58:44.400 without hearing him lie down,
00:58:46.920 I resolved to open a little,
00:58:48.860 a very, very little crevice in the lantern.
00:58:53.480 So I opened it.
00:58:55.280 Oh, you cannot imagine how stealthily,
00:58:57.880 stealthily,
00:58:58.720 until, at length,
00:59:00.720 a single dim ray,
00:59:03.320 like the thread of a spider,
00:59:05.280 shot from the crevice
00:59:06.800 and fell upon the vulture eye.
00:59:10.480 It was open.
00:59:12.600 It was wide, wide open,
00:59:14.840 and I grew furious as I gazed upon it.
00:59:17.500 I saw it with perfect distinctness,
00:59:19.820 a dull blue with a hideous veil
00:59:22.500 over that chilled my very marrow in my bones.
00:59:26.580 But I could see nothing else
00:59:27.740 of the old man's face or person,
00:59:29.280 for I directed the ray
00:59:30.640 as if by instinct
00:59:31.860 precisely upon the damned spot.
00:59:34.640 And have I not told you
00:59:36.340 that what you mistake for madness
00:59:38.300 is but an over-acuteness of the sense?
00:59:42.800 Now, I say,
00:59:44.040 there came to my ears
00:59:45.140 a low, dull, quick sound,
00:59:48.020 such as a watch makes
00:59:49.460 when enveloped in cotton.
00:59:51.420 I knew that sound.
00:59:54.140 I knew that sound well, too.
00:59:56.960 It was the beating
00:59:58.100 of the old man's heart.
00:59:59.580 It increased my fury
01:00:01.240 as the beating of a drum
01:00:02.600 stimulates a soldier into courage.
01:00:04.860 But even yet,
01:00:05.800 I refrained.
01:00:07.460 I kept still.
01:00:09.320 I scarcely breathed.
01:00:11.880 I held the lantern motionless.
01:00:15.140 I tried how steadily
01:00:16.780 I could maintain the ray upon the eye.
01:00:21.020 Meantime,
01:00:22.060 the hellish tattoo of the heart increased.
01:00:24.780 It grew quicker and quicker
01:00:26.340 and louder and louder every instant.
01:00:28.440 The old man's terror
01:00:29.200 must have been extreme.
01:00:30.260 It grew louder.
01:00:31.300 I say louder every moment.
01:00:32.960 Do you mark me well?
01:00:34.020 I told you that I was nervous,
01:00:39.240 and so I am.
01:00:44.200 And now,
01:00:46.420 at the dead hour of night,
01:00:49.460 amid the dreadful silence
01:00:51.280 of that old house,
01:00:53.000 so strange a noise as this
01:00:55.020 excited me to uncontrollable terror,
01:00:57.220 yet,
01:00:58.140 for some minutes longer,
01:00:59.940 I refrained.
01:01:01.560 It stood still,
01:01:02.740 but the beating grew louder
01:01:05.060 and louder.
01:01:06.720 I thought his heart must burst,
01:01:08.600 and then a new anxiety seized me.
01:01:10.900 The sound.
01:01:11.880 The sound would be heard by a neighbor.
01:01:13.960 The old man's hour had come.
01:01:15.740 With a loud yell,
01:01:16.800 I threw open the lantern
01:01:17.820 and leaped into the room.
01:01:19.200 He shrieked once.
01:01:23.080 Only once.
01:01:25.500 In an instant,
01:01:26.500 I dragged him to the floor
01:01:27.360 and pulled the heavy bed over him.
01:01:29.260 Then I smiled gaily
01:01:30.980 to find the deed so far done,
01:01:33.140 but for many minutes,
01:01:34.280 his heart beat on
01:01:35.360 with a muffled sound.
01:01:36.820 This, however,
01:01:37.620 didn't vex me.
01:01:38.940 It would not be heard
01:01:39.760 through the wall.
01:01:43.240 At length,
01:01:44.540 it ceased.
01:01:45.840 The old man
01:01:50.920 was dead.
01:01:54.120 I removed the bed
01:01:55.440 and examined the corpse.
01:01:59.120 Yes,
01:02:00.100 he was stone,
01:02:02.700 stone dead.
01:02:05.440 I placed my hands upon the heart.
01:02:09.340 I felt it for many minutes.
01:02:11.020 There was no pulsation.
01:02:14.800 He was stone dead.
01:02:17.480 His eye
01:02:18.240 would trouble me
01:02:20.500 no more.
01:02:24.420 If you still think me mad,
01:02:27.020 you will think so no longer
01:02:28.320 when I describe
01:02:29.440 the wise precautions
01:02:30.840 I took for the concealment
01:02:32.520 of the body.
01:02:33.980 The night waned.
01:02:34.940 I worked hastily,
01:02:36.180 but in silence.
01:02:37.800 First of all,
01:02:38.620 I dismembered the corpse.
01:02:40.200 I cut off the head
01:02:41.380 and the arms
01:02:42.060 and the legs.
01:02:43.260 Then I took up
01:02:43.960 three planks
01:02:44.760 from the flooring
01:02:45.500 of the chamber
01:02:46.080 and deposited
01:02:47.040 all between the scantlings.
01:02:49.280 Then I replaced
01:02:50.420 the board
01:02:50.900 so cleverly,
01:02:52.160 so cunningly
01:02:53.260 that no human eye,
01:02:55.820 not even his,
01:02:57.260 could have detected
01:02:58.180 anything wrong.
01:02:59.540 There was nothing
01:03:00.140 to wash out,
01:03:00.820 no stain of any kind,
01:03:02.200 no blood spot,
01:03:03.300 whatever.
01:03:04.500 I had been too wary
01:03:06.040 for that.
01:03:06.720 but a tub
01:03:08.480 had caught it all.
01:03:14.020 When I had made
01:03:15.140 an end of these labors,
01:03:17.300 it was four o'clock,
01:03:19.280 still dark as midnight.
01:03:22.260 As the bell sounded
01:03:23.200 the hour,
01:03:24.300 there came a knocking
01:03:25.060 at the street door.
01:03:27.000 I went down to open it
01:03:28.420 with a light heart,
01:03:29.240 for what now
01:03:30.120 do I have to fear?
01:03:31.760 There entered three men
01:03:32.860 who introduced themselves
01:03:34.240 with perfect suavity
01:03:35.640 as officers of the police.
01:03:38.060 A shriek had been heard
01:03:39.260 by a neighbor
01:03:39.840 during the night.
01:03:41.040 Suspicion of foul play
01:03:42.360 had been aroused.
01:03:43.600 Information had been lodged
01:03:44.800 at the police office,
01:03:45.900 and they,
01:03:46.760 the officers,
01:03:47.740 had been deputed
01:03:48.600 to search the premises.
01:03:50.280 I bade the gentlemen welcome.
01:03:51.820 The shriek, I said,
01:03:52.840 was my own in a dream.
01:03:54.420 The old man,
01:03:55.240 I mentioned,
01:03:55.960 was absent in the country.
01:03:57.580 I took my visitors
01:03:59.360 all over the house.
01:04:01.460 I bade them search,
01:04:03.620 search well.
01:04:05.060 I led them at length
01:04:06.520 to his chamber.
01:04:07.400 I showed them his treasures,
01:04:08.980 secure, undisturbed.
01:04:10.820 In the enthusiasm
01:04:11.660 of my confidence,
01:04:12.800 I brought chairs
01:04:13.960 into the room
01:04:14.820 and desired them here
01:04:16.480 to rest from your fatigues,
01:04:19.100 while I myself,
01:04:20.740 in the wild audacity
01:04:21.980 of my perfect triumph,
01:04:23.640 placed my own seat
01:04:25.000 upon the very spot
01:04:26.740 beneath which reposed
01:04:28.300 the corpse of the victim.
01:04:32.220 The officers were satisfied.
01:04:35.460 My manner convinced them.
01:04:37.360 I was simply at ease.
01:04:40.320 They sat while I answered cheerily.
01:04:42.860 They chatted of familiar things.
01:04:45.900 But ere long,
01:04:49.000 I felt myself getting paled
01:04:51.880 and wished them gone.
01:04:54.020 I head ached.
01:04:55.280 I fancied a ringing
01:04:57.020 in my ears,
01:04:58.520 but they sat
01:04:59.740 and still chatted.
01:05:02.040 The ringing
01:05:02.680 became more distinct.
01:05:05.620 I talked more freely
01:05:06.940 to get rid of the feeling,
01:05:07.940 but it continued
01:05:08.740 and gained definitiveness
01:05:10.800 until, at length,
01:05:12.380 I found that the noise
01:05:13.660 was not within my ears.
01:05:16.260 Now,
01:05:16.940 no doubt I grew very pale,
01:05:19.900 but I talked more frequently
01:05:21.100 and with a heightened voice.
01:05:22.940 Yet the sound increased.
01:05:24.000 What could I do?
01:05:24.940 It was a low,
01:05:26.120 dull,
01:05:26.560 quick sound.
01:05:28.320 Much such a sound
01:05:29.820 as a watch makes
01:05:31.140 when enveloped in cotton.
01:05:34.400 I gasped for breath,
01:05:36.460 and yet the officers
01:05:37.360 heard it not.
01:05:38.140 I talked more quickly,
01:05:39.440 more vehemently,
01:05:40.160 but the noise steadily increased.
01:05:42.080 I arose and argued
01:05:43.140 about trifles,
01:05:44.000 a high key
01:05:44.820 with violent gesticulations,
01:05:46.920 but the noise
01:05:47.500 steadily increased.
01:05:48.720 Oh,
01:05:49.020 why would they not be gone?
01:05:50.120 I paced the floor
01:05:51.420 to and fro
01:05:52.300 with heavy strides
01:05:53.320 as if excited to fury
01:05:54.680 by the observations
01:05:55.520 of the men,
01:05:56.240 but the noise
01:05:56.960 steadily increased.
01:05:58.160 Oh,
01:05:58.540 God,
01:05:59.220 what could I do?
01:06:00.220 I phoned,
01:06:00.960 I raved,
01:06:01.620 I swore.
01:06:03.120 I swore the chair
01:06:04.400 in which I had been sitting
01:06:05.380 and grated it
01:06:06.300 across the boards,
01:06:07.320 but the noise arose
01:06:08.440 over all
01:06:09.340 and continually increased.
01:06:11.320 It grew louder
01:06:12.260 and louder
01:06:13.120 and louder,
01:06:14.000 and still,
01:06:14.720 the men chatted
01:06:15.620 pleasantly
01:06:16.180 and smiled.
01:06:17.360 Was it possible
01:06:18.100 they heard not?
01:06:18.880 Almighty God,
01:06:20.100 no,
01:06:20.680 no,
01:06:21.060 they heard.
01:06:21.920 They suspected,
01:06:22.780 they knew.
01:06:23.900 They were making
01:06:24.560 a mockery of my horror.
01:06:26.540 This,
01:06:27.000 I thought,
01:06:27.500 and this,
01:06:27.900 I think,
01:06:28.520 but anything was better
01:06:29.580 than this agony.
01:06:31.120 Anything was more tolerable
01:06:32.520 than this derision.
01:06:33.820 I could bear
01:06:34.420 those hypocritical smiles
01:06:35.820 no longer.
01:06:36.680 I felt that I must scream
01:06:37.840 or die,
01:06:38.540 and now,
01:06:39.080 again,
01:06:39.800 hark,
01:06:40.480 hark,
01:06:41.220 louder and louder
01:06:43.040 and louder.
01:06:44.080 Villains,
01:06:45.640 I shrieked,
01:06:46.840 dissemble no more.
01:06:48.300 I admit the deed.
01:06:50.320 Tear up the planks.
01:06:52.200 Here,
01:06:53.260 here is the beating
01:06:54.940 of his hideous heart.
01:07:06.180 I read that to my daughter's
01:07:08.380 third grade class
01:07:09.880 the first year I did it.
01:07:13.340 The teacher was horrified.
01:07:14.760 Wait,
01:07:15.060 you're reading what?
01:07:16.760 I'm like,
01:07:17.140 my kids love it.
01:07:18.340 No,
01:07:18.700 yeah,
01:07:18.880 the rest of the kids
01:07:19.440 really didn't,
01:07:19.960 but anyway,
01:07:20.900 it's been a tradition
01:07:21.600 on this program,
01:07:22.260 and you can get it
01:07:23.060 on iTunes,
01:07:23.900 and we're going to
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