10⧸9⧸17 - 'Indigenous Peoples Day'
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One week ago, we began the recovery process from the deadliest mass shooting in American history. The horror is equal only in how bizarre the investigation has been. Conspiracy theories now top off political posturing, making an already incredibly complex case even harder to make sense of.
Transcript
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It was one week ago that we began the recovery process from the deadliest mass shooting in American history.
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Stephen Paddock killed 58 people, injured hundreds more.
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The horror is equal only in how bizarre the investigation has been.
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Conspiracy theories now top off political posturing, making an already incredibly complex case even harder to make any sense of.
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Let's stay away from the politics and let's stay away from the conspiracy theories.
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First, the posturing. Just took a few hours for the calls for gun control to come trumpeting from the left.
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A bump stock is a device that turns a semi-automatic weapon into an automatic weapon without modifying the gun.
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People have been bump firing ever since semi-automatic rifles existed.
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It's a hillbilly machine gun. All it takes is a trigger finger and a belt loop.
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It's a firing technique that was created after automatic weapons ban of 1986.
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Bump stock attachments were born right after the ban.
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Gun attachments that provide a way to circumvent the law should be regulated.
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Whether you agree with it or not, there is a law against owning fully automatic weapons.
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Bump stock attachments should be regulated under the law.
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But the calls for a full-on ban is ridiculous for this reason.
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Tell me the last time a full-on ban of anything did anything.
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How about the ban on guns in places like Washington, D.C.?
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After D.C. banned guns in 1976, homicides rose from 188 to 364 in just in 10 years.
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Now, that's because, well, you can buy those guns and bring them in, according to people like Michael Bloomberg.
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Studies show that the gun ban had zero effect on gun-related homicide.
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But there are people that don't want you to know those facts.
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Second, the failure to find any motive has made this shooting the most bizarre case I can remember.
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And we've been shown zero footage of him carrying anything through the hotel?
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There have been multiple reports of possible accomplices.
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But we've not been shown a photo or video footage of him in the hotel lobby.
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A hotel casino has more cameras than a federal prison.
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The truth is, is this attack should be the most well-documented crime in history.
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But for some reason, we're not seeing the footage.
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Because what's going to happen is more conspiracy theories are going to be coming out.
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This is enabling people from ISIS to Alex Jones to come up with their own claims for what drove Paddock to commit his crime.
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How do we not know every single detail that happened, at least in the casino?
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Despite what we don't know, there is no question that this man was deeply disturbed.
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Since the early 90s, the number of people treated for depression has tripled in America.
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The number of people on antipsychotic medication is greater than that.
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A survey by the National Institute of Mental Health found that an astonishing 46% has at least one kind of mental illness.
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From 2000 to 2010, the suicide rate among Americans, 35 to 64, increased 30%.
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For men in Steven Paddock's age range, that number goes up by 50%.
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Out of every 100,000 men in the 50s and 60s, 30 will kill themselves.
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And we know it because we see evidence of it everywhere.
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It's not the devices that we hold or the guns that we have or don't have.
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We're experiencing a tidal wave of mental illness in this country.
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And we've got to get proactive in dealing with it.
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I got up this morning and I saw a Facebook post from a friend of mine, Delilah, the radio show host.
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She posted on Saturday that her teenage son had committed suicide.
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How's that long-lost friend of yours that you've been thinking about but hasn't called and you haven't called them?
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Because really, everything that ills our society is on us.
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And we're going to be the only ones that can fix it.
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So Harvey Weinstein is out of the Weinstein Company.
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And people on the right don't care about this story, but you should.
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This is the left finally going after their own.
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Harvey Weinstein is probably the biggest predator out there that we have seen next to Bill Cosby, maybe Roger Ailes.
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But Roger Ailes doesn't seem to have the track record that Harvey Weinstein has.
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The stories that are coming out now about Harvey Weinstein.
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And stories coming from people like Ashley Judd.
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It's interesting that Ashley Judd came out against Donald Trump so hard.
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The stories that are coming all involve him in a hotel room, in a restaurant, trapping some woman, asking some woman first for a massage or to watch him bathe or to watch him shower.
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Megan Kelly has on today on her TV show of this woman in Long Island who went to a restaurant and he closed the door behind them and made his advance on this woman.
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And she turned him down and she turned him down and he dropped his pants and took care of business while she stood there.
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He has reached at least eight settlements with women.
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This is going on from the 90s, from 1990, the first settlement.
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But if you look at the settlement and the New York Times is kind of celebrating this, that, you know, Roger Ailes settlement were in the millions.
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Well, yes, possibly because they knew nobody's going to believe you.
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Where everybody, they knew everybody was out for Roger Ailes.
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So, of course, the New York Times would cover that.
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But did the New York Times cover all of the eight settlements?
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And now the New York Times is saying that his were only $150,000.
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The women were abused twice because of his power.
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And for anybody in the Weinstein group to say that they didn't know is absolutely ridiculous.
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Lisa Bloom, who was one of the people who took down Bill O'Reilly, she said,
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quote, Harvey's just an old dinosaur learning new ways.
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Maybe, maybe walking down the hall and saying, which Bill O'Reilly claims he never said,
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hey, hot chocolate, maybe that's an old dinosaur.
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But dropping your pants and masturbating in front of a woman in a restaurant,
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No, it's, uh, it definitely does not seem like old-time thinking, I would say.
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It's also, uh, very, I mean, I know this is a sign from the story,
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I mean, outside of the fact that it's horrifically offensive and obviously a crime,
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but it's also just a very strange, like, you want someone to watch you bathe?
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I don't even like watch and walk in front of a mirror in the bathroom.
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Even his own descriptions of himself, if he was picking up the women,
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I mean, it is a weird story and it's interesting.
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Because, I mean, I think there's going to be the argument, right, that these things,
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uh, you know, Roger Ailes was seemingly getting away with this behavior for a long time
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I mean, this stuff is, you know, because he had power.
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And because nobody was willing to take Roger Ailes on because he was deadly.
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He had a great PR strategy that allowed him to destroy anybody who was in his way.
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And honestly, that wouldn't have happened with Ailes if it wasn't for Megyn Kelly.
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I really believe that Megyn Kelly was the one who had, uh, the chops to be able to finally
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And look at how they're treating Megyn Kelly now.
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I mean, completely separate from her political viewpoints.
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Like, I mean, this is a, no, this is, they always say this goes beyond politics, but
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I mean, Saturday Night Live doesn't even comment on this.
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How do, how do the people at Saturday Night Live live with themselves?
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How do you think that you are not just a shill for somebody if you have all these jokes and
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Their excuse was they didn't connect with the live audience, which is, uh, some people
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who are in the audience, you know, differed with that analysis.
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Um, and, you know, I mean, do you know Harvey Weinstein?
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I mean, I guess probably not every, most people would just know that as maybe, you
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Like, you're not like in, he's, he's a, an inside Hollywood figure at some level, which
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See, this is why I think that they, this is why I think they, they, uh, don't believe
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people who are actually decent, who aren't like this because in their world, almost everybody's
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You talk to anybody from Hollywood and they'll tell you this is, this is the normal story.
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So if you're surrounded in that world and this is your normal story, of course you think
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Now the good news is, is that it is, it is come out now.
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And so perhaps there will be, uh, you know, an equal cutting of the grass and it will actually
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They're saying, I mean, they're one of the, I think there was a woman who was, had the
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incident in, in the Italian restaurant with the potted plant, uh, that she had to endure,
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uh, was, uh, said that basically there was no way to do this.
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Like only very recently has this become a winning battle for these women.
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Like you should be, if a predator like this should be able to be taken down, if these
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Um, and the thing about Weinstein, which is different than some of the other people who
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have been accused is he doesn't seem to be all that he's not, he's not too much into
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No, I seem to be kind of admitting that he was doing these things.
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And I can't believe that they're now saying, well, he's going to go through therapy and
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They're just like, well, you know, he's an old dinosaur and he just needs some help and
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he's going to get some help and then he'll be back.
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Um, gosh, that's an awfully, that's an awfully Christ-like, uh, uh, attitude coming from the
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I mean, just accusations were enough to, to drum you out of everything for all time.
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Just the accusation is enough to drive you out.
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He's allowed to get some therapy and then come on back.
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Um, also we want to talk about how to reduce mass shooting deaths.
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They just continue to allow this to go on and people aren't deterred because there's
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67% of the public say an assault weapons ban would be, would be effective and they would
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This is, this is a, this is somebody not understanding what a semi-automatic weapon is.
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If you would say, I don't want to have semi-automatic guns, then you have to go back to cowboy guns.
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It would be like saying, you don't need a laptop and an iPhone.
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And it's been around since, you know, world war one, uh, semi-automatic guns are not new.
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And if you don't have a semi-automatic gun, then you have to go back to a cowboy gun.
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And if you don't like the cowboy guns, well, you can go back to the Flintlock.
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But those are the three choices, Flintlock, cowboy gun, semi-automatic.
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People don't understand that a semi-automatic gun is a normal gun.
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Anyone who, because I think so many people don't come from that culture.
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You don't, there's a lot of people who never live in a house.
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I never did until my house that I live in now, but had guns.
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I mean, that's just not the culture I came from.
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And I think it is a really high percentage of people who live in, you know, the Northeast
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and other areas where that's, it's just not part of your life.
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So you just think people, when you think of a gun, that's a semi-automatic gun.
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I can't think of a time in American history in the, in my lifetime that it's been harder
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to find a man who will stand up for what is right, even against all odds and stand up
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Even if it hurts him, I've never experienced a time in my life where it is more important
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to zoom out and look at the big principles as opposed to zooming in and seeing the daily
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And that's what we want to, that's what we want to do here in this segment.
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There's a new book called Scalia Speaks, Reflections on Law, Faith, and Life Well-Lived.
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Antonin Scalia, certainly a guy that represents what you're talking about.
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Uh, and the book is by, uh, one of the co-editors is Ed Whelan.
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He's, uh, probably read his stuff online with National Review, uh, and the book just came
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Actually, almost all of them, uh, had never been published anywhere before.
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It's a real treasure trove of Justice Scalia's thoughts, not just on law, but on faith, on
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Uh, I think everyone will find it just a delight.
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So, so Ed, could you find any place, um, as you were looking at his speeches and you were
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looking at his life, could you find any place to where you think he was deeply, uh, conflicted
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in the sense that he didn't want to make a decision or didn't want to do something, but
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because he believed in the Constitution, he did make that tough choice?
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Well, he made quite clear that one example of that, uh, is on the, the, the matter of
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flag burning, that, uh, you know, he, uh, made the decisive vote back in the late 80s,
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holding that laws that specifically target flag burning violate the First Amendment.
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He makes quite clear that, that if, if he had his, his way, you know, hippie flag burners
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A lot, lots of areas of, of criminal procedure, um, are, are, are, are another.
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And then even on the hot button issues on, um, um, that are so contested, it's important
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to recognize that his position was that these are matters left to the democratic processes
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He did not, unlike folks on the left, misread the Constitution to impose his supposed views
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Did he, did he ever, one of the things that is going around right now is this idea that
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our, our rights come from God and not the government.
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And it seems bizarre at how many people believe that somehow or another, that rights don't
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come from God, that they, they do come from, uh, a, a man-made source.
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Did you find anything where he was talking about that?
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It recurs, uh, throughout his speeches, his recognition that our founding principles, uh,
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recognize that our rights come from God and that the Constitution sets up a structure that's
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designed to protect and, and, and fulfill those rights.
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That's at the very heart of his understanding of what America is.
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And I would just add that on this Columbus Day, uh, you know, what better opportunity to
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highlight the first Italian American justice, a justice who celebrated, uh, that one could
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both be, uh, Italian American and be a 100% American.
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It's a beautiful speech that he gave just a month after he got on the court, where he talks
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about, uh, what, what makes an American, uh, and it says, no matter your blood, your place
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of birth, what makes it is embracing the principles of this country.
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And I, and I'm afraid we see too many people abandoning those principles and your example
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of, uh, believing that their rights are whatever government confers are, are just one example.
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I mean, Ed, it's amazing on, on Columbus Day today where they have security around the
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Columbus statue has now become some big controversy, uh, where Scalia in 2005 actually was able to
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become the grand marshal of the Columbus Day parade, which was a really big deal to him,
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He had, uh, marched, uh, in, in the parade when he was in the junior ROTC regiment at,
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And as he said, um, you know, decades later, this is the top of the hill to be grand marshal
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in your hometown for an Italian kid from Queens.
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There could be no greater thrill than to march one last time as grand marshal of the Columbus
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So he took great pride, uh, in, uh, being Italian American.
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But again, he emphasized that you, um, he wasn't a, uh, a partial American.
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He and other Italian Americans were, could be fully American precisely because they embraced
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So as you, as you look at, um, today's landscape, do you see many people like him?
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Um, he is in many respects, one of a kind at the same time, he has a tremendous legacy in
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the, uh, law clerks, law students, lawyers, uh, he has influenced.
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Uh, so I think in the legal realm, uh, we are very much, uh, living, uh, in a, um, legal world
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Many folks define themselves against him, but many others define themselves with him.
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And I think you see in Justice Gorsuch's, uh, selection and confirmation, just one of the
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Uh, I think what you see from the book is, uh, is Justice Scalia, the man in full, the,
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the, the, the man who was a deep man of, a man of deep faith, a man who recognized that
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the ultimate test of life is to live out one's faith properly.
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Uh, there's a beautiful speech, uh, called the Christian as Cretan meant, um, ironically
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But again, one of the key points he makes throughout the book in so many speeches is that his obligation
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uh, as a faithful Catholic is to not misconstrue the Constitution and other laws to, to, to
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That is, his very obligation as a Catholic means that he, that, that, that he, um, shall
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As he put it, the only commandment of, of his faith that, that really, uh, bore on his
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Thou shalt not lie about the meaning of the Constitution or of other laws.
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Uh, Ed, we're talking to Ed Whalen, he's the author of, uh, of Scalia Speaks, Reflections
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The book itself is really, as you kind of pointed out, his whole world, right?
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It's him as an individual, a person, his faith, his life, and, and the legal stuff.
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He, he entered in my, into my thinking over the last week, however, as it relates to the
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And, you know, obviously the response to that is, has been largely, which ways will
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And it's, it feels like, I was interested to see if you had perspective on what Scalia
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believed, not only on, on something like this, where you'd have, um, you know, bump stocks,
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for example, to potentially be banned, but also the automatic weapons ban itself.
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What was his line when it came to where that right to bear arms stopped?
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Well, we, we have his opinion in, in DC versus Heller, and, you know, I think it's, um, far
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fetched for someone on the other side to try to claim some sort of connection between this
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I think it's, uh, uh, you know, more relevant to, to recognize that Justice Scalia, drawing
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on the framers, saw that, uh, you know, virtue in the citizenry was essential to the survival
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And, uh, uh, and when you have, um, you know, just a deep collapse, uh, in, uh, in morals and
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respect for life, um, you know, that's going to lead to some very bad things.
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Now, uh, so I, I, I don't know what his, his, his particular, uh, you know, views might
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have been on issues of gun policy or these bump stocks, whatever they're called.
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But, uh, you know, the, the, the, the ruling in, in, uh, DC versus Heller was running, uh,
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much narrower, um, uh, and, you know, I, I think, again, it's, uh, this fellow who committed
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the massacre apparently violated gun law after gun law.
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So, uh, it's, uh, it would be, uh, non-sequiturs to suggest that the, that the absence of gun laws
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Ed, um, how is Gorsuch going to, how's he fitting these shoes?
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Well, Justice Gorsuch, uh, you know, made quite clear that his, um, that he's dedicated
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He's the first justice who was educated at law school and, uh, uh, in a time when Scalia
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had influenced, um, what law is, what constitutional interpretation is.
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Uh, I am very hopeful that, uh, Justice Scalia will be, excuse me, Justice Scalia will be,
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Justice Gorsuch will be a supremely fit successor to Justice Scalia.
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Uh, he's, uh, certainly done very well so far and his, his record, uh, on the 10th circuit,
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Ed Whelan's book is Scalia Speaks, Reflections of Law, Faith, and a Life Well-Lived.
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Uh, that is, uh, available, uh, everywhere now, uh, and he's also with the National Review
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Make sure that everything that you're reading, everything that you're doing, you're putting
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in really good, basic information and fuel into your mind.
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What you're not hearing lately is the good guy that uses a gun to protect his family from
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What you will hear is the good guy gets arrested.
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The recent story of the USCCA member and Army veteran, uh, Buddy Shepard.
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Three guys with a gun come into his house, put his family safety in jeopardy.
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He grabs his pistol and he confronts these guys.
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When the cops arrive, he was outnumbered three to one.
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He was charged with three counts of aggravated assault with a deadly firearm and tossed in
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The minimum sentence would have been three years in state prison.
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Because Buddy is a USCCA member, the moment they got his call, they jumped into action
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I can't even, like, what would you even say to the police as they arrested you?
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It is Columbus Day and I don't know how I'm going to make it through with all this white
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By the way, everybody on the ship except for Columbus, I believe, was a Spaniard.
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So we should hate Hispanics today for what Hispanics did because Columbus got back onto
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The guys he left who were all Spaniards, they were the real they were the real villains.
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When he left, he left, I think, 34 of them behind and they were with the, quote, very friendly
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And he brought, I think, two he called them interpreters, two Indians back to Spain to introduce
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them and they all got along fine until Columbus came back and discovered that all 34 of the
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We'll we'll tell you after the top of the hour.
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I think we can all come together and celebrate happy Indigenous Peoples Day.
00:33:56.120
So I just wanted to show you if you happen to be listening, I just wanted to show you the
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the difference between guns and what a a semi-automatic is.
00:34:15.480
This is what everybody thinks a pistol looks like.
00:34:27.940
The only reason why it is semi-automatic is because when it fires, it pulls this back,
00:34:37.520
So when you squeeze the trigger, you don't have to squeeze as far.
00:34:43.940
However, this gun, this gun has a what's called a New York trigger on it.
00:34:49.900
So if you're carrying a cowboy gun, you only have six rounds in it.
00:34:54.120
The problem is, is unless you cock the hammer back, you have to pull the trigger and it takes
00:35:00.060
about 12 pounds of pressure to pull that trigger back.
00:35:03.920
That makes you that makes it hard to stay on target because it takes a lot of to pull it back.
00:35:16.080
The New York trigger now, because of New York, actually replaces that.
00:35:25.880
It's the same because you need the same amount of pressure to pull the hammer back.
00:35:33.600
I mean, and it's such an odd thing that so many of these ways they're supposed to control gun violence
00:35:38.560
are by making it more difficult to fire accurately, which is like when you have a gun,
00:35:44.040
if guns are going to be legal and we all, we have a second amendment that says that they
00:35:46.960
are, if they're going to be legal, shouldn't you want to hit the thing you're firing at
00:35:52.180
So I have a, I have a New York, I have a, I have a Glock like this.
00:36:00.540
We were out at the range last week and I said to Tanya, try this one.
00:36:08.820
She pulls this one and her hands start to shake and she couldn't hit the target once.
00:36:18.240
Harder to pull the trigger, which cannot go off accidentally.
00:36:27.640
So something that you're really trying to squeeze and it makes you less accurate or something
00:36:32.300
a little still won't go off, but something you have to pull and it's not as hard, but you're
00:36:39.280
The, the, the, the idea that these gun laws need to be changed is ridiculous, is absolutely
00:36:48.220
And anyone who says you got to get rid of all semi-automatics, I want you to know that's
00:36:57.460
You're going back to the, the Winchester rifle, the bolt action rifle, which, you know, my
00:37:46.980
Those three things surprisingly last week, the New York times delivered on that.
00:37:54.260
They ran a bombshell feature story about Harvey Weinstein's long history of sexually harassing
00:37:59.120
female employees, um, aspiring actresses and just about anybody, including a plant at a
00:38:07.180
You've probably seen his name about on 50% of the movies that you've watched in your
00:38:12.200
He is the movie producer behind best picture, uh, Oscar movies like Shakespeare in love
00:38:19.100
The New York times reported that he paid off at least eight women to keep them from talking
00:38:23.640
about his really super creepy, sleazy ways, uh, that he did business yesterday.
00:38:29.340
Last night, his company board of directors fired him.
00:38:32.580
So kudos to the New York times for running the story.
00:38:38.420
Weinstein moves in the same liberal elite circles as many of the other media honchos in
00:38:43.560
He even hosted a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton in his home last year.
00:38:47.340
She had turned her campaign into a referendum on Donald Trump's treatment of women.
00:38:52.000
It must've been a little uncomfortable, even though she gladly accepted the campaign
00:38:56.660
funds from the guy who was mistreating women for decades.
00:38:59.180
And everyone knew you would think another New York media institution, Saturday night
00:39:05.280
live would have had a field day with this Saturday night since they care so much about
00:39:11.520
Then they hammered Donald Trump last year for that access Hollywood tape.
00:39:15.240
But instead SNL decided to shelve all of the Weinstein jokes that they had prepared.
00:39:21.520
Perhaps maybe it hit a little too close to home for somebody in Saturday night live.
00:39:26.140
It couldn't have been NBC because today Megan Kelly had one of his accusers on her new show.
00:39:32.280
I know he called you the next day at your TV station.
00:39:37.140
That was so crazy because the next day after I fled, basically, he called my station.
00:39:43.320
They said, I have Harvey Weinstein on the line for you.
00:39:46.680
And he said, I just want to let you know, I had a great time last night.
00:39:59.480
I would love to see you again if that's something we could do.
00:40:06.620
I told you yesterday, I have a very serious boyfriend.
00:40:11.980
And I'm pretty sure I just hung up the phone quickly after.
00:40:18.700
Okay, so now here we find ourselves in a place that I hope we can find that sweet spot between a witch hunt and the truth as we move forward.
00:40:29.740
But these things tend to move into the witch hunt quickly.
00:40:35.020
Whatever the case is here, just know one thing.
00:40:38.160
Last night, the Weinstein Company, the board of directors, did not fire him because they found out.
00:41:08.580
Joining us in studio, an author, radio host, commentator, extravaganza.
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It's the author of Martin Luther, the man who discovered God and changed the world, Eric Metaxas.
00:41:20.080
Good friend, I haven't seen you since I think I left New York.
00:41:40.840
And you have made a career out of going in and highlighting these really amazing people that stood at critical times.
00:41:54.340
You did Bonhoeffer, Wilberforce, and now Martin Luther.
00:42:09.440
This book will blow the cobwebs off any dusty recollections you have.
00:42:14.140
I have to say, in all seriousness, as it is with every one of the books I've written, it wasn't my idea.
00:42:25.880
Writing Bonhoeffer was tremendously painful and difficult for me.
00:42:33.880
But God spoke to me and he said, I have my hand on this book.
00:42:39.520
But I really wasn't gung-ho to write another biography, I'll be honest with you.
00:42:43.020
But some friends, I dedicate the book to them, twisted my arm and kept saying, Eric, you wrote the Bonhoeffer book.
00:42:48.040
You're the guy to write the Luther book because it's the 500th anniversary.
00:42:51.560
And I actually thought, well, what 500th anniversary?
00:42:55.700
And they explained to me 1517 is the moment when he nailed the 95 theses to the door of the Wittenberg Castle Church.
00:43:03.720
And that's where they trace the beginning of the Reformation was this moment.
00:43:08.080
Although, you know, talk about blowing the cobwebs off of things.
00:43:11.580
People, we see that moment in retrospect as a heroic moment, right?
00:43:16.540
He's thundering against the corrupt papacy by nailing this thing.
00:43:23.180
He was like tacking something up to a bulletin board.
00:43:26.760
I think we're going to have a we're going to have a little debate, a theological debate.
00:43:32.080
No, if you read that part in the book, you won't even believe what it really was.
00:43:36.180
In fact, not only was he not tacking something up on a bulletin board, he may have given it to the church custodian to tack it up on the bulletin board.
00:43:44.700
Or he may have done it himself and used paste and not a hammer.
00:43:52.700
Basically, I mean, to focus on that, this seminal moment 500 years ago, he was somebody who had discovered some things theologically.
00:44:06.020
This was not a firebrand or a rebel of any stripe whatsoever.
00:44:11.740
This was a man devoted to God and devoted to the church.
00:44:15.620
And he saw that what was going on with indulgences.
00:44:19.340
So people would come to him in the confessional and say, hey, I got to get out of jail free card.
00:44:24.460
And he would look at this piece of paper that they had bought with their money, which they didn't have.
00:44:29.400
And he would say, what kind of corruption, what kind of confusion?
00:44:33.880
They think they can spend money and sin and pay for it.
00:44:40.400
But he didn't say, oh, I'm going to tear the church down.
00:44:42.700
He thought to myself, it is my duty as a theologian, because he was not just a monk and a priest, but a fine theologian, one of the finest.
00:44:51.320
He said, I need to bring this to the attention to the academic establishment, to other theologians, because if we don't begin to deal with this issue of indulgences, it's going to bring us down.
00:44:59.980
And this is one of the most terrible excesses that we've experienced.
00:45:06.140
So in Latin, he prints up 95 statements, which which when you wanted to have an academic disputation, that was kind of the way you did it.
00:45:13.700
And you tacked it up someplace and people say, oh, that's interesting.
00:45:17.260
And you'd gather and have a have an academic debate, maybe in Latin, probably in Latin.
00:45:21.260
And so so he taxed this up, having no clue that in retrospect, it will look like, you know, Neil Armstrong playing the flag on the moon, Columbus playing the flag in the American soil.
00:45:35.060
I mean, it's a moment in history that has grown out of all proportion, because in retrospect, we understand the significance of that moment led to everything that followed.
00:45:46.160
That is bizarre, because it is you do look at that as a moment of courage.
00:45:55.300
Well, I would say that there are, as with anybody of true courage and faith, that there there it's a continuum of courage.
00:46:02.800
In other words, it's not like at one moment he girds his loins and says, I mean, he was a man who what I talk about is that before this moment, when he had become a monk, for example, why did he become a monk?
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He became a monk because he took the idea of salvation and heaven and hell so seriously that he said, I need to devote my whole life to this.
00:46:25.400
His father had sent him to the finest schools, wanted him to become a lawyer.
00:46:28.880
And just as he begins law school, it all kind of gets to him.
00:46:34.000
He's 22 years old and he kind of realizes, I don't know where I'm going to spend eternity.
00:46:41.460
Some lawyers had just died and had shared on their deathbeds that I wish I'd become a monk.
00:46:49.680
I think a lot of people were rattled, but he was a very intense, passionate person, brilliant.
00:46:54.260
So he decides in a moment that that's its own story, that that he's in the middle of a lightning storm and he fears for his life.
00:47:09.820
But it wasn't like he just blurted it out and hadn't been thinking about this.
00:47:14.300
So he becomes a monk and then devotes his life in the monastery to praying harder, to confessing more, to fasting more.
00:47:25.380
I mean, the whole experience was, how do I earn my way to heaven?
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This is what was before Leo because Leo the 10th.
00:47:47.900
I mean, every educated, devoted Catholic is properly ashamed of of this period of the papacy.
00:47:59.000
I mean, since people know that I'm a very pro Catholic, non Catholic.
00:48:03.400
I didn't write this book to bash the Catholic Church.
00:48:05.280
But when you look at this history, you see what is the tendency.
00:48:09.420
And this this all goes back to what we believe about freedom and the nature of man.
00:48:22.140
And the church had become, you know, hugely powerful.
00:48:26.700
So Luther, while he's a monk, he's not thinking about this.
00:48:35.300
But at this point, he's devoted to saving himself in a way.
00:48:41.140
And a lot of people think that's what Christianity is.
00:48:47.220
You know, you don't screw it up and you might get into heaven.
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He's a 12 steps reference harder than anyone who's ever lived.
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If I am doing everything right, he would confess.
00:49:06.300
His father confessor, Staupitz, who's in the book, literally says to him at some point,
00:49:19.220
I prayed so hard that I had a moment of pride for having prayed so hard.
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So long story short, Luther kind of realizes this is not working.
00:49:36.700
And I'm trying to jump to these hoops to please him.
00:49:39.260
And his father confessor, Staupitz, says to him, you don't think that God loves you.
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You think that God hates you, but he loves you.
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So Luther eventually realizes that nobody is studying the scriptures because, as you know,
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the printing press wasn't invented until very recently at that point.
00:50:01.600
He starts digging, digging into the to the scriptures.
00:50:05.260
And I think of it like a guy who has a disease.
00:50:08.800
And he says, I have to find the cure to the disease.
00:50:14.220
I'm just going to be looking into the scriptures because I'm trying to find the key to my problem.
00:50:23.280
All these things coalesce and he realizes, oh, my goodness.
00:50:28.140
It's kind of like somebody tells you that, you know, you're racing up a ladder and it's like the ladder is leaning against the wrong building.
00:50:38.640
He says, what I've been looking for is given to me freely by God as a gift of grace.
00:50:45.720
It's the righteousness of God, which I was scared of, is God gives that to me as a loving gift.
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It's like you want to talk about a mind blower.
00:51:06.640
But then this is kind of like the the the bomb that it it it is the explosion from this creates the future in which we live freedom.
00:51:17.900
Everything that we take for granted in the modern world comes from that.
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He's at Eric Dexas on Twitter and Eric Dexas dot com.
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I am so thrilled to have Eric Metaskus not only on the show, but in studio with us.
00:53:14.500
He wrote a game changing book for me called Bonhoeffer.
00:53:19.860
So and I just last week finished some books and I thought I am only going to start reading
00:53:25.360
stuff that will fill me up with with good, solid, rock solid information.
00:53:36.300
The man who rediscovered God and changed the world.
00:53:38.780
So tell me how tell me how he's relatable today.
00:53:44.540
I mean, I go I take kind of a perverse pride in going into these book projects pretty darn
00:53:51.080
And I have friends, the guys that dedicated the book to Marcus Speaker and my my buddy
00:53:55.100
Greg Thornberry, the president of the King's College in New York City, was explaining to
00:53:58.540
me because he's a theologian why I need to write the book because Luther is significant
00:54:03.420
And the more I went into it, the more I thought, how do we not all know this?
00:54:10.600
And Luther, what he did exactly 500 years ago, opened the door to the future.
00:54:18.500
I titled the epilogue where I kind of explain all this in the book, The Man Who Discovered
00:54:24.320
the Future, because this seminal moment after 15 years of neglect in a way, you could say
00:54:32.320
that that the tradition, the accretions of tradition and so on and so forth had had obscured
00:54:38.520
this central issue, which is called the gospel, the free gift of Jesus, which which makes
00:54:45.980
us all be able to have a direct relationship to God.
00:54:49.600
It doesn't need to be through an institution or whatever.
00:54:51.540
It's exactly what Whitefield was preaching, you know, 200 years later, which created America.
00:54:58.780
Without that, you don't have anything like freedom, the freedom of the individual to stand
00:55:05.200
I mean, it's crazy last week or two weeks ago, we had two people in the media, one meet
00:55:10.660
the press, another one on NBC that said that, you know, your rights don't come from God.
00:55:20.620
Somebody interviewed me recently about what Margaret Feinstein said and what whatever.
00:55:25.460
I mean, we our leaders, we things are so bad that our leaders in the Senate on the Senate
00:55:35.920
It's like trying to write a book and you don't know the alphabet.
00:55:39.600
They don't understand the concept of what freedom is, where it comes from, that it comes from
00:55:44.660
God, that at the heart of freedom is religious liberty is this idea that I can think any dumb
00:55:54.760
God says you have the right to think your own thoughts.
00:56:00.200
But as you know, for 40 or so years, we've not been teaching this in the school so that
00:56:04.620
even our elite journalists and our senators don't understand the building blocks of how
00:56:12.000
we have everything that we have in this issue of having a direct relationship to God, being
00:56:18.840
I mean, when Whitefield preached this throughout the 18th century, up and down the 13 colonies,
00:56:26.940
You mean, if the minister is preaching something that's not right, I have the right to go to
00:56:35.820
Or if the magistrate or the governor or the king is behaving in a way that's not right
00:56:42.900
according to God, I have the right to protest or something?
00:56:51.580
And as we know, freedom comes with a price, right?
00:56:53.980
Freedom is not always good in the sense that you are now free to do the wrong thing, okay?
00:57:00.760
You're free to start the Church of Scientology, not just a good Protestant church.
00:57:08.480
But who, which of us would trade that freedom for the slavery of being under an institution
00:57:14.300
that's going to tell you the meaning of truth and you cannot dissent?
00:57:16.900
I think more and more people are getting to that point to where they're willing to do that.
00:57:21.080
They're willing to trade, but they take their freedoms so for granted.
00:57:27.580
They won't until they lose it, until they lose it.
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The name of the book is Martin Luther, the man who rediscovered God and changed the world,
00:57:36.820
Eric Metaxas, the best-selling author of Bonhoeffer.
00:58:11.380
And I know that you went out and you celebrated Indigenous Peoples Day this weekend.
00:58:17.920
Well, we had a huge weekend in preparation for Indigenous Peoples Day.
00:58:22.940
Well, we went to San Antonio, but on the way, we stopped off at Waco at Chip and Joanna's
00:58:38.920
I mean, she had quite a vision, and there are literally hundreds of people on the premises.
00:59:03.500
And I know it is, but it's an amazing situation they've created there.
00:59:09.180
They have the business and the silos and the bakery, and then on the side, they put out
00:59:14.820
this AstroTurf where the kids can play soccer and football.
00:59:18.260
Well, and more importantly, it's surrounded by food trucks.
00:59:23.400
And so they've created more business for the businesses in the city.
00:59:28.020
And they created this trolley run from downtown to their business that's free.
00:59:33.920
And so, I mean, I don't know how many businesses have spun off theirs, but it's pretty outrageous.
00:59:39.420
The town must be freaked that they've said that this is the last season.
00:59:45.540
Well, can you imagine the factories for facial cream that are going to be popping up?
00:59:49.780
Before we left, we had to buy some of our facial cream.
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I don't know if you know that, but it didn't happen.
00:59:57.880
It was probably an hour and 15 minutes waiting in line, you know, because the line stretches
01:00:02.840
through the store, out the door, around the store, down the block.
01:00:17.420
I mean, if it's an hour and a half to wait to get a stupid cookie.
01:00:21.160
I've been in shorter lines at Disney World, and there was no ride once I got inside, except
01:00:28.980
But it's astounding what they've created there.
01:00:35.660
It reminded me, I told Jackie, this reminds me of what Glenn was thinking for the independence.
01:00:44.540
And it's, you know, what's really amazing is they, they took this, they took a town that
01:01:04.380
And now you hear people all the time say, I remember when we moved down here, people
01:01:14.460
And remember, we talked about it at some point.
01:01:16.520
We talked about it and said, can you imagine if we would move our studios to Waco, what
01:01:27.780
I mean, fixer upper applies to the whole city of Waco.
01:01:32.580
Is there more to do in Waco than just Chip and Joanna?
01:01:47.500
And that's where I went in and they have whoever the Dr. Pepper guy was.
01:01:55.520
But the guy who started the museum was like a huge free market guy.
01:01:58.680
And they have a whole section of the museum called like the Free Market Center at the top
01:02:06.640
And they have a lot of shops and stuff around there that have popped up.
01:02:14.460
I mean, soda and baked goods are the main attraction.
01:02:25.400
What about their life is like in a town that small?
01:02:30.740
I mean, it's 200, maybe 1,000 in the metro area.
01:02:34.680
But that's still a pretty small town to be that huge.
01:02:38.300
With the thousands, maybe hundreds, I would say between 500 and 1,000 people were there
01:02:44.320
If they showed up, I mean, it would be, I don't think they can.
01:02:48.380
I don't think they can go into their own store.
01:02:55.480
You get in line at the bakery and then leak that they show up on the other side of the
01:03:08.800
So today, it is Indigenous Peoples Day, of course, as we all recognize.
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Pat Gray Unleashed is coming up on the Blaze Radio TV networks with David Barton today.
01:03:34.680
If Christopher Columbus was, in fact, a genocidal maniac, let's get out there.
01:03:45.440
There is a great book called The Light and the Glory.
01:03:56.720
And he wrote, this is the history of the founding of America.
01:04:03.060
And the story of Columbus, it is so well written.
01:04:09.700
And the story of Columbus are the first three chapters in it.
01:04:16.420
I mean, there's times where he is really a good guy who's on a quest for, you know, for Christ.
01:04:26.060
And then he keeps getting sucked into the gold madness.
01:04:30.400
And, you know, I know, Pat, you and I both believe that this land was is sacred and it was preserved for this time and for these rights to come forth.
01:04:40.880
And every time somebody is on, you know, gold fever, they never get here or they're destroyed.
01:04:50.060
And it's because he keeps God keeps trying to pull him back on track and he keeps going off.
01:04:56.600
His thing, though, was and I don't know how much it stayed that way, but his thing was he's going to bring back riches for the glory of God.
01:05:05.840
He intended he was going to he was trying to find Solomon's gold.
01:05:15.460
So then Queen Isabella and Ferdinand could then go take those riches and rebuild Solomon's temple.
01:05:24.000
So the gift, the gift for God was go find the gold to bring it back to rebuild the temple and be the and be the, you know, be the reason the temple was was rebuilt.
01:05:40.740
And and these kids who go through college the first day of my 17 year old daughter's college experience.
01:05:50.620
She came home and said, Dad, my teacher taught me that Christopher Columbus is a genocidal rapist murderer who started the Western slave trade.
01:05:59.740
I'm like, oh, at least you made it through a couple hours.
01:06:04.380
But in some ways, in some ways, some of that is true.
01:06:09.360
He he had to respond to the murder of his of his men.
01:06:14.620
His crew was killed and then he got a little pissed.
01:06:25.340
He comes back like a year or so later and they're all dead.
01:06:28.280
And they say through the translators that he had with him, they say, well, they were raping and pillaging.
01:06:36.000
They they wouldn't take no for an answer on the gold.
01:06:38.840
And they just started having their way with any of the women that they wanted.
01:06:56.140
Plus, I mean, these tribes, one of the tribes, one of the tribes he was very close to.
01:07:06.020
They seem to have somewhat of a conflict because he had flesh and they wanted to eat it.
01:07:10.260
And that's where there was a little bit of a dichotomy and a little separation between the tribes.
01:07:14.600
Well, there's sometimes sometimes when they're hungry, you might have a disagreement.
01:07:29.740
There were the population was three hundred thousand.
01:07:31.560
And he reduced it by one hundred thousand in the end.
01:07:34.600
But that's not genocide because there still were.
01:07:36.920
No, it is just I actually heard a guy talking about indigenous peoples day legitimately.
01:07:45.720
I think it was the guy in Los Angeles talking about this.
01:07:49.280
And he said Columbus was responsible for the worst genocide in world history.
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Now, I mean, 60 million people died in communist China.
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I mean, the Nazis, you got Pol Pot, you got Stalin, Stalin.
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You got what kills me, too, is that they make this about a white guy.
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Even if even if you're right about Columbus, it was his Hispanic crew that did it all.
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He comes back and it's all the Spaniards that were killing.
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Are you amazed by what you're seeing, though, on Twitter and all this stuff?
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It is the Q Allen writes, in honor of Columbus Day, take this tweet, put your own name on
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The next tweet, you've got to hand it to Christopher Columbus because he would have definitely
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Happy this dude came over and pointed out what was already here day.
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As a man, I honor Christopher Columbus every day of the year by refusing to ask for directions.
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In 1492, Columbus was a genocidal piece of ass and an a-hole, too.
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The only decent thing in the whole tweet storm is the only thing Christopher Columbus ever
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Here's the question that everybody has to ask themselves.
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I don't know about you guys, but I would have actually nailed it.
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You're in front of the king and queen and they say, you know, 10% of all the riches are
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You go out, you're on a ship, you're full of a ship of sailors who want to kill you,
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I don't know if you know this, but the sailors back then are not like the U.S.
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You've only kept them together because you've promised them the riches when they get to the
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You get to the land, you are friendly with everybody.
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Everybody is filled your head with you're the greatest guy ever.
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Everyone is your yes man because you are now the most powerful person on the planet.
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You really think you're going to have the strength to be the one guy with all the sailors who
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just want the gold, the riches, and the raping.
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You're going to be the one guy all by yourself going, now, wait a minute, guys, hold on just
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Now, I most certainly would have been that guy, but not Glenn, apparently.
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The book he was just talking about is The Light and the Glory.
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In fact, to the point you were just making, one of the titles of the chapters, Damn Your
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By the way, if you open up this book you were talking about with this history in there,
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you see in the acknowledgements, the authors wish to express their gratitude to David Barton
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and wall builders of their capable research assistants of his staff.
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David's going to be joining Pat Gray here in just a moment.
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He's a great author, Yale something or other, professor of something at Yale.
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So a few things that we have not had a chance to talk about.
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One is this event that happened in a bakery up in Seattle last weekend.
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We have to get somebody on from the Liberty Council or someplace to find out, can these Christians sue the gay bakery for kicking them out?
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To own your own, your own store and be able to say, I don't want these people here.
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Your own artistic performance you're allowed to own.
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I noticed, too, you've pretty much, you know, put the kibosh on the truth as usual.
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And Alex Jones uncovered it, and he won't play the audio.
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They have strict orders to keep 24-7 surveillance in midtown Manhattan.
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So instead of using their resources to protect the citizens, the NYPD are forced to guard a hunk of stone from potential vandals because it's Columbus Day.
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If you have a statue of Columbus, Antifa is calling for collectives all over the country to take action against the most vile holiday of the year, Columbus Day, by, quote, decorating neighborhoods.
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I'm sure the poster or banners that you would get at Party City is exactly what Antifa is thinking about.
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Did we not learn anything from Charlottesville?
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Italian and Americans legitimately celebrate Columbus Day.
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Isn't it a little culturally insensitive to ruin this day for them?
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Who is Antifa to destroy a day that is so important to the Italian immigrants who helped build this country?
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I mean, how does an inanimate object, how does a statue affect your life, really?
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It's not your right to lead to violence over a statue.
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Columbus was amazing in many ways, but he also wasn't a saint.
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He cared more in the end about gold than the New World, and he treated the natives of the Caribbean horribly.
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So we can either learn from that, the good and the bad,
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or we can fail and make the same mistakes over and over again.
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On Columbus Day, let's celebrate the fact that our history is transparent.
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For everyone who truly wants to see the whole picture, it's available.
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And that's exactly the way history should remain.
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He had gone to the king and queen of Spain before they rejected him.
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They found him arrogant, as did all of the other kings.
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He went back to the king and queen of Spain and asked them again.
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They were trying to drive the Muslims out of Christian Spain.
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Christopher Columbus went back to a monastery where he had good friends, monks.
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He had taken out holy orders as part of the Order of St. Francis.
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He was trying to be a more peaceful man, like Pope Francis is now, also Order of St. Francis.
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He would go between wanting to serve God and wanting the glories of the earth.
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Finally, the king and queen relented when the head of the monastery that he went to went to the queen and said, look, I know him and I know he's been arrogant, but he is a changed man.
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And the king and queen decided that they had just finished conquering the Moors, that the way to thank God, better than building a church to thank them for that success, better than doing anything else.
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They thought, why not go over and if there are indigenous people that they can bring the light of Christ to, they should go and do that.
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And that would be the thanks to God for their victory over the Moors.
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So he gets his, he gets his three ships, but they're, they're kind of crappy ships.
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And the reason why they're crappy is because all the evil Jews have the ships.
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Because the Jews were being run out of Spain at the time.
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1492, the Inquisition is starting to really heat up and all the Jews are starting to flee.
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So he's going through the harbor and he's one on one of the only large ships, the three of them, only large ships that really aren't carrying Jews to another, another land.
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He's out in the middle of the sea, three quarters of the way across.
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The ships all of a sudden lose all their steam.
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None of the, none of the crew members even want to go below deck.
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They listened to the sound of water and wine cast busting.
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This is when the crew of the other two ships start to go a little wild.
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And they say they're going to kill Columbus because they're all going to die.
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They're going to die out in the middle of the ocean or they're going to, or they're going to fall off the edge of the earth.
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Columbus had been made fun of, you know, oh, here's, here comes, here comes the guy who thinks the earth is round.
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And he was determined to go, but if you read his diary all the way through, it's for the glory of God.
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He had mastered it right when he was told that he could have his ships for the glory of God.
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And he said, okay, well, I need to be the governor of the new land and I need 10% of all the gold and the, and the silver and anything that we find.
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He went back to the monastery and the monastery, the monk looked at him and said, what is wrong with you, dude?
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And in, in his journal, he's talking about God the whole, the whole time.
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And the crew starts to turn on him and he makes a deal.
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And on October 9th, the, the morning of the third day, he sees land, Tara, Tara.
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When you read what he, what he says about the natives, the Indians, he say, he says that they, you know, obviously they don't understand each other's language, but they begin to communicate and they are delightful people.
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They bring them in, they feed them, they welcome them.
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He's immediately the, the other, the Spaniards on board.
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Columbus is starting, starting to be bitten by the fever just a little bit, but he's taken by the natives and thinks they're wonderful.
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He goes down and he gets back on the ship and they finally make it to Cuba.
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And they're, they're on Cuba and he decides to leave the crew, about 38 men there and go back with two of the natives back to the king and queen to show them what they have found.
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On the way back, because he's so focused on the gold, they almost don't make it.
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And he puts a cross on one beam and puts them into a hat and everybody on ship has to draw a beam.
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The one who draws the beam has to go make a pilgrimage to the Holy Land.
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And they're asking God, please, we'll humble ourselves and we'll go make a pilgrimage to the Holy Land if you will calm the seas.
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He pulls out the last bean and it's the one with the cross.
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He, instead of being humbled, he holds it up and says, look at the Lord has chosen me yet again and becomes more arrogant.
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When he comes back, all of the guys that he left behind were dead.
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The natives killed them all because as soon as he left, according to the natives, they began to rape and pillage and have their way with all of their women.
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But I believe this land was not made for people who were looking for gold.
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That's why Jamestown ended in cannibalism, I believe.
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Whenever you came to this shore looking for gold, the Lord turned you away.
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In the end, because of Columbus, about 100,000 of the 300,000 natives died and were killed.
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They were friends for a while, and gold fever took over.
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Do you believe that somebody could try to do something grand for the glory of God?
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I believe that Columbus came over here for the glory of God.
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I also believe that God turns away those on this land who were hungry for gold, and he'll do it again in the future.
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Those who are hungry for riches and don't care about him.
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The second thing is, do you really think you're that much better than Columbus?
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Do you really think that put in his shoes at his time, in his place,
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being the most celebrated, from the most ridiculed man to the most celebrated man,
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where everyone is wanting to throw the gold and the silver at your feet,
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Do you really think you're stronger than he was?
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Do you really think that there aren't people that you know in your life put into that same exact situation at that time?
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And would have been the only guy on the ship saying,
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Coming up today on the Blaze TV and Radio Networks,
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He's going to have David Barton on talking about this
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and really diving into Columbus and the history.
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It's called The Light and the Glory by Peter Marshall and David Manuel.
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I pulled it out of the library yesterday to read up again on Columbus.
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I mean, we have to understand that history has two sides,
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but he also was amazing in other parts of his life.
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