11⧸29⧸17 - Another One Bites the Dust?
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1 hour and 54 minutes
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Summary
Matt Lauer has been fired from NBC News for inappropriate sexual behavior. This is the first time in 20 years that an NBC News employee has come forward with a complaint about inappropriate behavior in the workplace, and NBC News said there is reason to believe it's not isolated.
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888-727-BECK. Glenn's just a little under the weather.
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Actually, been losing his voice for the last few days
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So the big news of the morning, if you've not heard it yet,
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the Today Show's Matt Lauer has been fired for inappropriate sexual behavior.
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No suspension. We're not going to look into it.
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They heard about it late Monday night, they said.
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This is a guy whose show that he's hosted for 20 years has been number one for, what, 15 of that, maybe?
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And you just summarily fire him on the accusation.
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In fact, on the statement, it's interesting because they said,
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in 20 years, this is the first accusation that anybody's come to management with.
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They said there's evidence or there's reason to believe it's not isolated.
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We should listen to the first moments here of Today Show.
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What is it, Savannah Guthrie and Hoda Kotb was on there.
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Because this is a sad morning here at Today and at NBC News.
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Just moments ago, NBC News Chairman Andy Lack sent the following note to our organization.
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Dear colleagues, on Monday night, we received a detailed complaint from a colleague
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about inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace by Matt Lauer.
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It represented, after serious review, a clear violation of our company's standards.
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As a result, we have decided to terminate his employment.
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While it is the first complaint about his behavior in the over 20 years he has been at NBC News,
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we were also presented with reason to believe this may not have been an isolated incident.
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Our highest priority is to create a workplace environment where everyone feels safe and protected.
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And to ensure that any actions that run counter to our core values are met with consequences,
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We want everybody to feel safe except the men who work here.
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I mean, there's one of two ways to go with this.
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Either NBC had really hard evidence or they had an admission of his.
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They went to him and he said, yeah, okay, I did that.
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Because, I mean, in one day, it would almost be difficult to put together the questioning process in one day to get someone fired.
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So it's either hard evidence or he admitted, or we've arrived at a very frightening un-American place.
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And it was interesting to hear Savannah Guthrie, who has worked with him for 15 years, try to handle this.
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And I think she did, generally speaking, a good job.
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You know, for the moment, all we can say is that we are heartbroken.
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And I'm heartbroken for the brave colleague who came forward to tell her story and any other women who have their own stories to tell.
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And we are grappling with a dilemma that so many people have faced these past few weeks.
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How do you reconcile your love for someone with the revelation that they have behaved badly?
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But I do know that this reckoning that so many organizations have been going through is important.
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And it must result in workplaces where all women, all people feel safe and respected.
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As painful as it is, this moment in our culture and this change had to happen.
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And I've loved him as a friend and as a colleague.
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And again, just like you were saying, Savannah, it's hard to reconcile what we are hearing with the man who we know who walks in this building every single day.
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We were both woken up with the news kind of pre-dawn.
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And we're trying to process it and trying to make sense of it.
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So as good, good friends who are dear, dear friends, I mean, don't you kind of owe it to that friendship to initially believe him?
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To withhold judgment at least until you've seen hard evidence that he's doing this.
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At least until you know what he's even been accused of, as they say in there, that they don't even know further details other than what's been released in the statement.
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They just know that, you know, he was accused of something and they said it was a detailed accusation.
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And look, maybe he called them and they're not saying that.
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But it's like, if you have a piece of information such as someone's continued behavior over 15 years and you don't see any sign of that, it doesn't mean that it's not true.
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Like, you know, the BTK killer was very active in his church, right?
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He was loved by his community because he was constantly helping.
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How many times have we seen people in the church, for example, who have gone down very dark roads in their personal lives while being very helpful in their communities?
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It's not impossible, but doesn't that do you still owe this person you might not even know the right of believing their accusation against someone, you know, for a decade and a half?
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That is a I don't think that's the right way this is supposed to be handled.
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I'm not saying you say, well, that woman's immediately lying because I have a friend.
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No, but I need to see the details of this because I can't believe he would do something like that.
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Apparently now we're just to they're fired and wow, I'm glad this this reckoning is happening.
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It's hard to question this dirt bag that I was, you know, I was friends with, but hey, you know, she he's been accused.
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Yeah, it's hard to reconcile the guy I knew with the dirt bag.
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Well, they haven't proven that it hasn't been proven to anybody yet.
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You don't even know the details you just admitted.
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I think the innocent until proven guilty theory in this in this country is completely out the window.
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And, you know, that's a system of the of the justice system to the innocent until proven guilty.
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You can you can go ahead and convict somebody in the court of public perception.
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So but maybe they're saying something behind closed doors.
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The New York Post has a report that has come out that is saying the firing of Matt Lauer, in case you're just joining us, was based on a an assault that happened during the Rio Olympics of a staffer.
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But they also say that there will be they do expect and they they certainly hinted to this in the statement.
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And look, they may have enough information to say, OK, we definitely know this is really bad.
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But it's amazing to see how Matt Lauer has handled these other accusations over the years.
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When he talked to Bill O'Reilly, listen to this.
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Listen to it in the light of everything we know now when he was interviewing O'Reilly just a few months ago.
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So did you provide Fox News any evidence, any information that you think could have changed their mind as to what you were guilty or not guilty of?
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My legal team was very aggressive in putting forth our point of view.
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Timing wise, you were fired about 10 months after Roger Ailes was let go by the network over allegations of sexual harassment.
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You were probably the last guy in the world that they wanted to fire because you were the guy that the ratings and the revenues all placed on.
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You carried that network on your shoulders for a lot of years.
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So doesn't it seem safe to assume that the people at Fox News were given a piece of information or given some evidence that simply made it impossible for you to stay on at Fox News?
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There were a lot of other business things in play at that time and still today that 21st Century was involved with.
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But you don't let your number one guy go unless you have information that you think makes him.
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You don't let your number one guy go unless you have information that that's a pretty bold statement for a guy who might have a guilty conscience.
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It makes you think maybe maybe he doesn't believe these things happen.
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You know, like a lot of these organizations will get to a point even when they don't even when they don't believe the accusations, they will do things like this because they feel they are getting pressured into it.
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People do this stuff all the time because it's about public perception.
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It's not necessarily always about some factual thing.
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I mean, you know, we we have a society in which we, you know, if we had if we changed the standard with crimes like this, you know, the Soviet Union.
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The Soviet Union probably got a lot of criminals behind bars like they probably were right on a lot of cases.
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There probably were a lot of times they put people in jail and they were guilty.
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And they just assume they were guilty and they put them in jail.
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A lot of times we built the society the other way for a reason.
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If we're going to err, we're supposed to err on the side of someone who is guilty getting no punishment at all.
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Yeah, that is our strategy here in the United States, like it or not.
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And we have now developed a new function of society in which accusation equals destruction.
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This very well may be a great case of so much information and he was this bad of a guy and he should be fired.
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But it's just amazing to see how fast these things are coming.
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Weinstein had these accusations come out and it was like it was weeks.
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Or are we just on a down, you know, rolling down the hill?
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This slope, it's slip and slides covering the mountain right now.
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It's almost as if we've adopted the Hillary Clinton justice system that these women have a right to be believed.
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So any accusation that they throw out there just must be believed.
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Yeah, we should really get into this because there's a there is a story.
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There's multiple stories now written by women who are saying, hey, guys, this might not be the right road to go down.
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We might be going the right and in publications like The New York Times and The New Yorker.
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Not, you know, some evil conservative organizations that's trying to defend Roy Moore.
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I mean, The New Yorker is not even a it's a left wing organization.
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And The New York Times is obviously a mainstream publication that leans to the left as well.
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But I mean, these are big, big organizations coming out and saying, guys, what are we doing here?
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Well, we got to make sure we're doing the right thing because we all know this.
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We all want women who have actually been sexually assaulted and harassed at war constantly and been pushed down and not been able to get jobs because of we all want that to be destroyed.
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We don't want mad men here in the United States.
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Pat Gray, Stubergeer for Glenn, who's lost his voice today, so hopefully Dave Rest will have him back tomorrow.
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Interesting that some of these left-wing publications are starting to sound the alarm that, hey, maybe we're a little too hasty on some of these sexual harassment charges.
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Yeah, I mean, there's been several we've highlighted over the past couple weeks, but this one comes from the New York Times.
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You know, talking about the reckoning that has happened recently, wouldn't have happened without Gretchen Carlson, and then they go through a bunch of the people who, you know, they say deserve praise and gratitude.
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There's no small chance that by the time you finish this article, another mammoth beast of prey, maybe multiple, will be stalked and felled.
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The huntress's war cry, Believe All Women, has felt like a bracing corrective to historic injustice.
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It has felt like a justifiable response to a system in which the crimes perpetrated against women, so intimate, so humiliating, and so unlike any other, are very difficult to prove.
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But I also can't shake the feeling that this mantra creates terrible new problems in addition to solving old ones.
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In less than two months, we've moved from uncovering accusations of criminal behavior, Harvey Weinstein,
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to criminalizing behavior that we previously regarded as presumptuous and boorish, like Glenn Thrush, the New York Times reporter.
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In a climate in which sexual escapades are transforming so rapidly, many men are asking,
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if I were wrongly accused, who would believe me?
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This is a question I would love to see someone ask a media member who is really aggressive on this.
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Wolf Blitzer, who's the guy that you'd think is the least likely person in America?
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There's no way Wolf Blitzer did anything like this.
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How, let's just say some person who didn't like you from your past,
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or two or three people who were interns and thought they should have been promoted and you didn't promote them,
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If you were completely innocent, just craft for me the response that makes it even plausible for you to hold your job for more than a week.
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And I think the answer, everything turns out to be, well, you're blaming the victims.
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Like, no matter what you say, there's that pushback.
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I know the answer, if I were wrongly accused, who would believe me?
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I know the answer many women would give and are giving is good.
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They'll say, if some innocent men go down in an effort to tear down the patriarchy, so be it.
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Emily Linden, I think you talked about this, Pat, columnist at Team Vogue, summed up this view concisely last week on Twitter.
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I'm actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false accusations of sexual assault.
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If some innocent men's reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is the price I am absolutely willing to pay.
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Ms. Linden was widely criticized, but say this much for her.
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At least she had the guts to publicly articulate a view that so many women are sharing with one another in private.
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Countless innocent women have been robbed of justice, friends of mine insists.
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So why are we agonizing about the possibility of a few good men going down?
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I believe that the believe-all-women vision of feminism unintentionally fetishizes women.
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I believe that this is an amazing perspective and brave for the author to do this.
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I believe that it's condescending to think that women and their claims can't stand up to interrogation and can't handle skepticism.
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I believe that facts serve feminists far better than faith.
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But the Duke Lacrosse moment, the Rolling Stone moment, will come.
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A woman's accusation will turn out to be grossly exaggerated or flatly untrue.
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And if the governing principle of this movement is still an article of faith, many people will lose their religion.
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And the example they give is the Project Veritas thing from yesterday with James O'Keefe.
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Yes, that was a conservative thing to try to get the media and try to catch them.
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The woman went up and told a false story to try to trap someone who they wanted to make into a bad guy.
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It's the same story that could happen to any person in the media, any person who is accused of these things.
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And we have to, as a society, set some sort of lines of due process and skepticism.
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They're not these, you know, we're treating women like children.
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They deserve, equality is one thing, and it's right.
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But equality means the same skepticism that everybody gets.
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The same critical look at their claims that everybody receives.
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But you can't make that determination, I don't think, unless you have video in 12 hours.
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He didn't even show up for this morning's Today Show.
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And he was accused Monday night, the NBC brass got word from some woman that she had been assaulted.
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We don't know the details of the assault in Rio during the Olympics.
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What was that, two years, almost two years ago?
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Again, you know, you can't help but wonder, why didn't you say something then?
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And a lot of women have called into my show on The Blaze and said...
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Is it just something for a private, small group?
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Yeah, and just listen right after immediately following this show.
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But a lot of people are calling that show that you can access whatever you want.
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Women are calling and saying, I understand because I was harassed and I was afraid of losing my job.
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Or I was embarrassed or I was ashamed or I thought I did something wrong.
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But on the other hand, you wonder, well, couldn't you have saved others from this same situation had you spoken out?
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There are other jobs to have maybe that you go to.
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Right, and of course, obviously, a woman should not be forced into another job.
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But it's an impossible decision and should not be one they need to make, right?
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Like, they shouldn't have to make a priority decision as to what is worse.
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And look, if we get to a point here where this settles into a comfortable place where if women are actually harassed, they can come out and say something.
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Like, that would be a fantastic place for this thing to land.
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We just have to make sure we don't go the other way too far.
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And the fact that even the left-wing organizations are coming out and saying, are we going too far?
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The New Yorker has a really interesting piece today talking about multiple accusations.
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We need to find the difference between Harvey Weinstein and, you know, someone else, right?
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And as far as we know, never did anything that was against the consent of the woman.
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And many of the women reported afterwards feeling like, oh, man.
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He's basically lost his career now because of it.
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I was watching Family Guy last night, which was one of the first episodes of this season.
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And he's the one who made jokes about Kevin Spacey in the past and made jokes about...
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Guy seems to know about everybody's sexual harassment situation.
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And he had made a Kevin Spacey joke inside of Family Guy.
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Who was in the first episode of Family Guy this season?
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That rumor I had actually heard in the past that he liked to do this.
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He had referenced it on his own show that he liked to do this in front of women.
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One of the accusations was that one of the women was on a phone call with Louis C.K.
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and believed that he was pleasuring himself while they were on the phone.
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Number two, it's my understanding that telephones are not a visual medium.
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Now we have FaceTime, we've got Skype, but it was not one of those calls.
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So we're at the point now where if a woman believes a guy is doing something while they're
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Well, that's because she has a right to have a phone conversation with Louis C.K.
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and shouldn't be made to feel as though he's pleasuring himself while they're talking.
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Is that a right to a phone call with Louis C.K.?
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Like, it was just that he was powerful was the excuse.
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And his explanation of this, and he was widely praised for it because he kind of came out
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and was like, look, yeah, I did these things and I shouldn't have done them and I realize
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He's like, even though I always asked for consent and I always got in and I never did anything
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like this with them saying no, I know now that I was wrong.
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And it's like, his construct of this was, I was admired.
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I was a powerful comedian and people in the industry admired me.
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Therefore, even me asking to have sexual contact with these women was inappropriate because
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they, I guess, weren't adults enough to say no.
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I know my wife, if Louis C.K. had asked her, hey, do you mind if I pleasure myself in front
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She would absolutely say no and leave because women are capable of doing that.
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Now, if there is a step beyond that where a guy says, no, get back in here or forces
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But if you ask for consent and receive it, that is essentially your responsibility in the
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Like, I mean, there's other moral questions around these sorts of behaviors, but not when
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The New Yorker goes through the story of Ralph Shorty, who was a state senator in Oklahoma,
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and he was caught having sex with a 17-year-old or about to have sex with a 17-year-old prostitute
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And so he is now going to jail for at least, I think it's 10 years.
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And even though this person is above the age of consent, but not for prostitution.
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So he committed what seems to be pretty clearly a crime, but he was facing life in prison because
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of these things, because of pictures he had been sent from other 17-year-olds.
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And I only bring it up because I don't think that's a particularly good example of this,
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but I bring it up just because the New Yorker was also talking about someone on the right.
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So let me give you the example of Glenn Thrush.
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Glenn Thrush, if you don't know who he is, he's the New York Times reporter who is wearing
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You know, he's kind of like one of those reporters you kind of know, right?
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Glenn Thrush, White House reporter for the New York Times, suspended in advance of the
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publication of a story by Vox that described multiple instances in which Thrush made sexual
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At the time, the woman seemed to have shrugged it off.
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So at the time, she wasn't upset, but she is now years later.
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In another, there was a consensual but aborted sexual encounter.
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I guess it started and then they were like, I don't know, let's not do this.
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And then when it stopped being consensual, so did the action?
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I don't know because I think that's your responsibility as a guy, right?
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You have to make sure like these things are like you can't do so.
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We mocked that before, but I mean, I think yes.
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All of the incidents appear to have involved in consumption of alcohol.
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None of the women reported to Thrush, who as a reporter, then a Politico, was-
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The Times announced that it was suspending Thrush because of accusations of inappropriate
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Employers do not normally appoint themselves arbiters of appropriate behavior outside the
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It is hard to imagine a non-sexual example of non-work-related behavior that would get
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a reporter preemptively suspended in the absence of any crime or misdemeanor.
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The only thing I can come up with other than this, and they don't include this, is something
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If you say something that's too conservative on your Twitter account, or you- we saw this
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with Charlottesville in a more stark example where people were getting fired from their
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hot dog making jobs because they went to the Nazi rally.
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You know, there are some examples, but it's pretty rare.
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The fact that you would kiss someone on the ear and they wouldn't make a big deal about
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it until multiple years later, and that results in your termination, is probably completely
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Like, I can- how do you get to this point where you have an actual normal relationship?
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We talked about this with polling, and I don't think you were here for this segment.
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I think it was yesterday, where something like 25% of millennials today say, if a man,
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other than my partner, asks me out for a drink, that is sexual harassment.
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And it's like, how does someone become your partner if they can't ask you out for a drink?
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It wasn't even saying it had anything to do with work.
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It was just someone who is not my partner, asks me out for a drink that is sexual harassment.
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That is a bizarre society that's being designed here, and it's going to have lots of repercussions
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that I don't think that women are going to want.
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We talked to a woman who wrote a column about sexual harassment, and someone who said, hey,
00:31:37.840
look, I don't want any, we don't understand, you don't understand this, men, I don't want
00:31:43.400
you ever complimenting me, or noticing what I wear, or talking to me about that, or asking
00:31:52.780
And her point was like, actually, everybody I've ever dated, I met at work.
00:31:56.520
You know, like that is, I don't want that to happen.
00:31:58.600
Like, I want to be able to talk like a normal human being to other people at work.
00:32:02.840
And the thought seems to be now, we should just eliminate that completely.
00:32:09.380
It's a strange decision for a society to make, and it may have very good motivations, and
00:32:16.200
some very good outcomes, but we have to be careful, because these things, we've seen
00:32:21.240
this with, like, you know, we want to talk about the Patriot Act.
00:32:23.780
Really good, really good idea behind the Patriot Act, stop terrorism.
00:32:32.840
Liberals seem to really understand that, you know, when it comes to things like that
00:32:37.020
that they don't like in the Bush administration.
00:32:39.260
But this is, you know, something here, and this is on both sides of the aisle.
00:32:42.400
It's not a political issue, as you see with these two being left-wing sources.
00:32:45.660
But we've got to get to some sort of balance here.
00:32:52.060
We want them to be punished for their actions if they're horrible, right?
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But you've got to have some sensible way of dealing with these things.
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Getting a good night's sleep is easier said than done, especially if you hear a noise downstairs.
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We actually, I feel like in Texas, the thing I hear most are just strange animals killing each other outside of my house.
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Whenever I have the freaking window open, I feel like nine coyotes attack rabbits in the backyard.
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Hopefully a day of rest will get him back tomorrow.
00:34:46.100
Well, I woke up really early this morning, and I was thrilled to find out that Matt Lauer has been fired because I never liked the guy.
00:35:01.440
I was not shocked at all that it was because of sexual harassment.
00:35:05.540
He has been kind of, I would say, rumored as a ladies' man over the years.
00:35:12.060
And I saw one reporter talking about this of like, well, if anyone you've heard referred to as a ladies' man, because Charlie Rose was referred to this way, that basically means that they're probably a sexual harasser.
00:35:26.120
Luckily, no one's ever accused me of being a ladies' man.
00:35:32.600
Everybody on this network is like, they're like, ugh.
00:35:34.520
Were you not shocked because you heard the rumors of ladies' man, Maya?
00:35:38.680
No, I was not shocked because there's always, there have been rumors about him, you know, over the years about him cheating on his wife.
00:35:46.660
And actually, Kathy Griffin, years and years ago, when I used to be a fan of hers, she did a joke about him, a bit about him and his flandering ways.
00:36:00.280
Years ago, I remember this joke when I was a fan of her, but I called because you guys are saying how, you know, one little thing could be disastrous.
00:36:10.360
But I, and then I told my husband about it, and my husband said the same thing.
00:36:18.400
And I understand what you're saying here, but put it into a position of someone you do like.
00:36:25.700
And now you know, like, for example, you know, we talked about this, we joked about it with Glenn the other day.
00:36:30.940
Someone, half the country despises Glenn, right?
00:36:34.880
So half of the country will say the same thing you just said, which is like, ah, well, I believe it from that guy.
00:36:43.280
And they will immediately pass due process and just let this accusation be true.
00:36:48.020
And just because we don't like Lauer or we don't like Weinstein or we don't like any of these people does not mean we should not apply the same standard to them.
00:36:57.040
And the other thing is, there's a difference between cheating on your wife and what he's accused of.
00:37:07.780
The cheating on his wife thing, you presumably would be consensual.
00:37:11.900
And that's one thing that's immoral in my opinion and not right.
00:37:20.120
But that's a different issue and a different situation than sexual harassment and sexual assault.
00:37:47.940
It's Pat and Stu for Glenn, who's lost his voice.
00:37:50.980
Should be back tomorrow, hopefully after a day of rest.
00:37:55.820
By the way, you can join me for my show immediately following this one on the Blaze Radio and TV network.
00:38:05.580
Now, yesterday I came in and talked to you guys.
00:38:08.160
And I think at the time, so it would have been 1030 yesterday morning.
00:38:24.740
Yesterday, it hit, for the first time, 10,000, which is obviously a big, inexplicably important
00:38:34.940
It's just a bunch of people saying, wow, that's a round number.
00:38:37.740
So, you know, and we're all guilty of that weird thing that we do with round numbers.
00:38:47.760
It's the same as a dollar from, you know, from $8 to $9 is the same gain as, you know,
00:39:01.420
And so, yesterday, approximately, I don't know, 6 o'clock yesterday, it crossed $10,000
00:39:13.900
A lot of people in the audience, they think, oh, God, are they blabbing about Bitcoin again?
00:39:22.200
If you bought a car for $800 in January and are selling it for $10,000, $11,000 today,
00:39:32.820
Now, think if you bought multiple cars at $800.
00:39:35.360
Think of how much money some people are making.
00:39:37.080
You know, thousands and thousands and thousands of millionaires are being created right now.
00:39:45.700
And when you think about where this thing started and how it began,
00:39:49.000
with the first purchase being a pizza that was purchased on the Internet for 10,000 Bitcoins.
00:40:03.260
And so the person who sold his 10,000 or gave up his 10,000 Bitcoins for a stupid, you know, $40 worth of pizza.
00:40:18.120
And it wasn't even the store itself that took the Bitcoins because nobody did at that time.
00:40:24.260
It was some guy in England who was a Bitcoin collector.
00:40:27.360
And he's like, I'll give you $40 for a couple of pizzas for the 10,000 Bitcoins.
00:40:46.380
So the person who got the pizza has got to be kicking himself today if he's still alive.
00:41:00.380
They don't know who the person was who actually started it.
00:41:05.800
I was talking to somebody who works here earlier today.
00:41:08.220
I knew a guy who got very early on the Bitcoin thing and was mining for them.
00:41:14.780
And there's no need to go into what the mining process is here.
00:41:17.780
But he was mining for them, which essentially means you get free Bitcoins if you run your computer.
00:41:22.920
And so he was mining for them very early on, getting them at $0.30, $0.40.
00:41:28.900
Like 2012, 2013, when no one knew what the hell this was.
00:41:32.200
And was able to, for basically nothing, make a huge profit.
00:41:38.180
And you think, now the guy's probably a billionaire, right?
00:41:41.940
He was able to turn that nothing into a brand new Lincoln Navigator.
00:41:50.720
He got, I think, a $70,000 automobile out of this.
00:41:58.100
But if he had kept that, it would probably be worth $50,000, $80,000, $100,000,000.
00:42:06.700
What he got was a $70,000 car, which is a great story.
00:42:11.820
It's one of those things where you got a car for nothing.
00:42:21.980
We told the story of the guy who, a kid who mined for Bitcoins a long time ago or bought
00:42:26.800
some Bitcoins because he thought it was cool, forgot about him, opened up his wallet and
00:42:30.460
realized he had $6,000,000 in his wallet out of nowhere.
00:42:37.000
I mean, these, the people are gaining incredible power and wealth off of this thing.
00:42:46.440
It's not the powerful who have been in on this the whole time.
00:42:49.040
You know, honestly, myself included, you know, and I'm not making anything like this, but
00:42:57.120
I mean, it's a bunch of weirdos like us who, you know, were interested in this and believed
00:43:01.460
in decentralized banking and believed in that inflation was a problem and believed in libertarian
00:43:11.040
And a bunch of weirdos like us are making a lot of money.
00:43:13.780
I wish I was weirder because then I can making $110 million for two pizzas.
00:43:19.040
But it's still, it's an interesting thing to watch.
00:43:24.920
Again, as we give this disclaimer every time we talk about this, if it's zero tomorrow,
00:43:30.740
I mean, I mean, it's who knows what happens with this stuff.
00:43:33.700
Well, like the, I think the CEO of Zappa, wasn't it?
00:43:38.920
And he said, it's irresponsible to go in and buy a whole bunch of Bitcoins.
00:43:44.200
He runs a Bitcoin company when he's saying that.
00:43:46.480
But he said, it's equally irresponsible not to have any.
00:43:49.020
So he said, buy one, because this could go to zero.
00:43:56.480
Or it could go to a million dollars of Bitcoin.
00:44:11.000
There's a guy who did a, on CNBC yesterday, who thinks by the end of next year, it's going
00:44:19.400
It would be a disappointment in comparison to what happened this past year.
00:44:23.500
It's like, oh, it's only gone up four times per year?
00:44:26.400
Who knows what's going to happen, but I thought this was an interesting point.
00:44:30.340
If it does go to 40,000, if it goes to 40,000, cryptocurrencies, right?
00:44:35.780
All of these, you know, Bitcoin and all these other things will be valued at about 1% of
00:44:43.420
So it's not as if, if it goes to 40,000, it's going to be the biggest thing in the world.
00:44:47.480
It's going to be much smaller than many of these other investments that you go to.
00:44:51.500
It's only going to be a small sliver still at that point.
00:44:55.260
And still we're at the point where only a few million people worldwide have any Bitcoin,
00:45:00.720
amount of Bitcoin of note, like, you know, within a few hundred dollars, right?
00:45:05.840
We're very much at the beginning of this and it's a really interesting thing to watch.
00:45:11.640
I kind of expect it to drop off by 25, 30% at some point soon.
00:45:14.800
Is there a point where you sell or are you just in it for the long-term ride?
00:45:20.000
Are you just in it to see if it gets to a million?
00:45:25.240
I'm not a big money player in these things, so it's not particularly, you know, that's
00:45:29.980
not, that's not where I am with it, unfortunately, you know?
00:45:33.780
So, but I think it's one of those things that I, if it drops off a little bit, I'll
00:45:37.800
sell a little bit, but you know, you want to kick, take your profits off the table,
00:45:42.320
you know, but it's still a, you know, I don't know.
00:45:47.500
It's, you don't want to miss out on the, on the upside.
00:45:50.140
Like, I think legitimately we, you know, you could have sold at 5,000 and been really happy.
00:45:55.320
He bought a freaking Lincoln Navigator and he was really happy.
00:46:07.420
So I, it's, it's, it's kind of, it's impossible to know what happens with this.
00:46:12.000
It's been interesting to go on this ride with the audience.
00:46:17.960
Who are, who are saying a lot of people are getting in now and look, I, this will probably
00:46:23.320
You know, I, I'm not trying to tell you that you should dump a bunch of money into it.
00:46:26.520
I think it's, it's an interesting, fun thing to watch, but so many people are like,
00:46:30.340
listen to you guys six months ago, listen to you guys eight months ago, listen to you guys a
00:46:33.980
year ago, put money in one person said they put a thousand dollars in, uh, when we talked
00:46:38.940
about it about a year ago and they paid off a year of law school with it while paying off
00:46:49.120
That's now, of course, when it goes to 40,000 and a million, they're going to be like, why
00:46:57.420
And it, there's been a lot of that, that has happened.
00:47:00.100
You never know when, when a market like this dies and, and it's, but
00:47:06.160
And I think that what's interesting to the audience is, you know, an investment going
00:47:13.260
Like, so, I mean, that's, it's mildly interesting from that point, just because it's, it's
00:47:16.960
fun to see people get a lot of money and become wealthy.
00:47:20.440
But more than that, it is taking the government out of incredibly important transactions in
00:47:32.820
When you wanted to, you want to send money to someone, there is always a quote unquote
00:47:38.920
trusted third party there to navigate that transaction, whether it's the government coming
00:47:44.820
up with a currency and giving it to you so you can mark, well, that's what that means.
00:47:50.520
They could always do something to it, to destroy it.
00:47:52.300
And they have the same thing with, with banks, right?
00:47:55.640
How many times have we said we don't trust the banks?
00:47:57.360
I don't, you know, look at what they're doing with the financial collapse and all these things
00:48:09.180
It's now this program that runs, that has rules and can't be changed.
00:48:16.700
So you don't have to worry about it collapsing yet.
00:48:19.300
That is the, it's not a thing until I invest when you, and then, yeah, you know, then it's
00:48:25.980
It's the day you tell me somebody, uh, a listener a couple of weeks ago, we were talking
00:48:32.740
about how, what bad luck I have with investing and how I, I, you know, we've talked before
00:48:38.440
about when, when Glenn and I were together the first time and we were offered clear, clear
00:48:45.700
In lieu of $10,000 worth of salary, an extra 10,000.
00:48:49.620
Hey, instead of going up to, to, to that level, how about we give you that in clear
00:48:55.100
Well, at the time clear channel was, you know, $5 a share and it wasn't the company at once
00:49:00.200
it, it then became, and we, we didn't foresee that obviously.
00:49:03.700
Cause we said, no, no, I just $10,000 worth of salary.
00:49:08.600
So had we taken the $10,000 worth of stock and ridden out the splits and then going back
00:49:14.960
up to 95 and then splitting again and sold at the right time.
00:49:19.600
We both would have made two and a half million dollars on that.
00:49:23.720
I mean, then this wonderful listener just to make me feel better about myself.
00:49:29.280
And then Pat, what if you had taken that two and a half million and invested in Bitcoin
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Pat Gray and Stupor Gear for Glenn, who lost his voice for some reason.
00:51:35.740
And, you know, sometimes it just, he's got to rest his vocal cords if that's what he's
00:51:43.580
We were talking about the Bitcoin experience, which has been an amazing one because it started
00:51:51.240
It was like seven hundredths of a cent when it first started.
00:51:55.380
And then it went, you know, it's, it's, it was on a slow, gradual climb for a long time.
00:52:08.700
I mean, but we've said this before, like when Donald Trump came down the escalator in 2015
00:52:13.080
to announce his candidacy, it was something like $500 and now it's 11,000.
00:52:20.260
I can't think of another stock that has, has done that.
00:52:23.640
I can't, can you think of another, not certainly not that fast.
00:52:27.040
The crazy thing is, uh, the guy who created Bitcoin, no one knows who it is.
00:52:41.300
And he knows that, that, that mystery sort of adds to the mystique of Bitcoin.
00:52:53.400
But, uh, you know, um, they, when they were creating this and designing how it was going
00:52:58.640
to work, he interact, the guy who created it, interacted with a lot of people, but in an
00:53:04.880
Like he had email relationships and then one day just dropped off the face of the earth
00:53:13.040
But in, in there, because he was doing this experiment, he left himself a little, uh,
00:53:21.200
The way I created this bonus of 1 million Bitcoins, which today are worth $11 billion.
00:53:37.060
Making you one of the richest people in the world.
00:53:40.140
I think yesterday Glenn said, uh, richer than Charles Schwab, right?
00:53:47.300
And if this thing keeps going up, you might be the richest person in the world and we won't
00:53:52.500
If it goes to 40,000 and he's got a million, what is, uh, is it the Amazon guy is Bezos number
00:54:02.820
As well as that, that Mexican, uh, Carlos Slim tele telecommunications guy.
00:54:07.820
So you have those people around 50 to 70 million or billion.
00:54:11.340
Uh, you know, if there's a possibility that this guy becomes the richest person in the
00:54:17.260
The other part we should note is none of those million Bitcoins have ever been moved or touched.
00:54:22.160
They are all sitting there in their, you know, pure original state and have never been touched
00:54:29.300
because you can tell when transactions happen out of that wallet.
00:54:34.100
You just don't know who the people associated with them are.
00:54:41.480
I think, um, when very early on, just for people to kind of understand that it was a currency,
00:54:46.560
they tried to do, they actually made physical coins.
00:54:50.920
I mean, and it's funny because, you know, I was talking to somebody yesterday, like, well,
00:54:53.880
you know, I was like, well, you know, they, they limited this to 21 million Bitcoins.
00:54:57.700
And that's what I think a lot of the audience likes is the idea that the government can't inflate this currency
00:55:02.820
because there are 21 million and there can never be more.
00:55:06.780
Um, and, uh, he's like, well, how is that different from 21 million unicorns?
00:55:14.120
But it's like, think of what you're doing every day.
00:55:16.940
Every day you're using a card or a piece of paper that suppose, just because you can hold a card in your hand.
00:55:26.620
Uh, it's still a digital currency that you're passing along.
00:55:30.440
You know, a dollar just represents this idea that it's worth something.
00:55:34.700
Just like, you know, at one time it was, it was backed by gold.
00:55:43.820
Um, you know, but gold is, has value because our civilization has determined it has value.
00:55:51.840
It's not because like oil has value in the way that you can burn it and it has, it can,
00:55:57.740
But you know, gold largely has value because we've determined it has value.
00:56:03.020
It's the same thing with fiat currency and the dollars that you have in your pocket.
00:56:06.100
It's the same thing with the credit cards that you have, the investments that you have.
00:56:10.320
It's all determined because society has, you know, believes there's value to it.
00:56:16.060
I mean, I, I understand why it's such a weird concept to people.
00:56:19.560
Um, and I, I, I still am a very limited understanding of what we had experts on that.
00:56:24.700
Every time we have one on teaches you something, you're just like, wow, really?
00:56:30.640
And it's the technology behind it is going to be a, an, an amazing internet level change
00:56:39.240
in the way things occur, whether Bitcoin goes up or down, I don't know, but the technology
00:56:44.380
behind that is going to handle huge financial transactions.
00:56:50.620
The way we do banking, the way we do voting, the way we do all of these things, it's the,
00:57:03.780
And I don't know if people actually believe that because in order to really be a major
00:57:09.000
investor in it, you would, I think you would have to believe that.
00:57:12.480
And I think because if you hack in, I mean, that destroys the whole thing.
00:57:16.780
I'm, you know, of course, kept more skeptical of things than the average person.
00:57:31.320
Maybe a little bit, but you know, the technology behind it's pretty, pretty secure.
00:57:37.980
I mean, and the idea that basically it's spread out into a hundred thousand different places,
00:57:43.220
You can hack 10,000 of them and still not do anything to the system.
00:58:12.480
The Pat and Stu band is back together for today, at least.
00:58:17.480
Should recover tomorrow, hopefully, and be back then.
00:58:25.700
The big news, if you've missed it, is that Matt Lauer was fired summarily from NBC overnight.
00:58:35.520
So it's, of course, an allegation of sexual assault from his time when he was doing broadcasting the Rio games in 2016.
00:58:46.100
They're saying they think there's going to be a lot more.
00:58:48.880
One reporter who has broken a lot of these types of stories over the past few months says he, they think he was one of the worst.
00:59:04.680
Says Lauer is among the worst I've heard about, not in terms of the kind of misconduct, but the way he manipulated these women into silence.
00:59:19.340
But that, I mean, if I had to guess somebody that was evil, I wouldn't say Matt Lauer.
00:59:27.440
He wouldn't be the first one that came to mind.
00:59:34.780
You know, he was a known sort of womanizer, but also, you know, abusive to his employees.
00:59:50.120
But Matt Lauer, I mean, I'd heard, you know, you hear the rumors of him maybe being kind of a ladies' man.
00:59:56.120
I'd never even heard, because I know he's married.
01:00:01.360
And so I don't know that I've ever heard the rumors he was a ladies' man.
01:00:06.660
I also don't really care about rumors about Matt Lauer.
01:00:15.980
And for whoever the woman is, you know, it's a personal story.
01:00:19.580
But for us as a show and as a society, it's about looking at these stories and seeing what precedent we're setting.
01:00:26.580
And seeing the breathtaking speed with which somebody's career is completely destroyed.
01:00:34.560
Now, the left cheered this on when it happened to talk show host about their speech.
01:00:40.320
You know, when Don Imus makes a joke and he's fired in the middle of a charity fundraiser for SIDS victims.
01:00:54.480
MSNBC takes him off the air before he can raise millions of dollars for children with SIDS.
01:01:01.460
Or it's SIDS research, I guess, is probably the better way of saying that.
01:01:14.380
They've cheered it on for when Glenn was being threatened with these things.
01:01:17.460
They've cheered it on when Rush was being threatened, Hannity's being threatened with these things.
01:01:21.640
I mean, they all cheered on and how it should be.
01:01:24.440
Now they're seeing some of their own and some of the people on their side who some of them have done really bad things and everybody agrees they should have done.
01:01:32.900
But now they're being burned by the fire they ignited.
01:01:37.040
And some of it is people who have done somewhat questionable things and are being treated as if they are, you know, a genocidal maniac.
01:01:46.160
You know, a dictator and and being like, you know, when the Libyan dictator was dragged through the streets, everyone Gaddafi was everyone was, you know, well, that's a you know, when Saddam Hussein's pulled out of a hole, everyone cheers.
01:02:02.060
And as he gets hanged a few days later, everyone's like, yes, we did it.
01:02:06.140
That's kind of like there's an appetite for it right now.
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There's a thirst to find these people who are doing these things and put them away.
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And look, if they did them, we should all have that thirst.
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I mean, if someone did something like Harvey Weinstein's been accused of and seemingly is kind of half admitted to, although he still hasn't admitted to the worst parts.
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But, I mean, he's probably the most, the most evidence or the most accusations against him.
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You know, somebody like that, you know, we all are really happy that is going away and shouldn't be, you know, part of what we're doing.
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You know, like when you commit crimes, these are crimes.
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But when you're talking about people who are like, ah, well, they had a relationship with someone who was younger than with them that they used to work with.
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Also, Black Lives Matter is organizing something really wonderful.
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You might not have the best opinion of Black Lives Matter, but I think when you hear this, it's going to change your mind.
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Black Lives Matter is organizing Black Christmas.
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Where black people only buy from other black people and ignore white businesses or places that are run by white people.
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So it's like they're trying to divest from white corporations and white capitalism.
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I don't want you to start your right wing kookery and start jumping to racism because they're not capable of racism.
01:03:38.280
I did have a thought, Pat, and I must admit this, that it does seem like, how do they call it, segregation?
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Like if you were to buy only from people in your own race and only deal with people in your own race, that seems like you might be segregating yourselves.
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Yes, but again, it's fine because it's Black Lives Matter doing it.
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So if black people segregate themselves, that's only because they want to.
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If white people start segregating themselves, that's because they're evil and racist and hateful.
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Wouldn't it be better, though, to try to advance a society where you don't care about skin color and you wouldn't, you wouldn't make your decisions based on skin color either way?
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But it was something that Martin Luther King kind of argued for.
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Yeah, when he said that you should pay attention to the color of people's skin, not the content of the character.
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You would think it was the opposite of what he actually said because these people are being applauded for supporting black businesses.
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But if a white person had started this, they'd be a white supremacist, they'd be a racist, they'd be a member of the KKK.
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If I knew a restaurant I went to every day and a bunch of white supremacists were behind it, I wouldn't go.
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I mean, you wouldn't want, I wouldn't want to be part of that if, you know, we've said this before.
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If a bakery really was saying, you know what, I don't want any gays in here.
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As they have, as several have been caught saying doing this about Trump supporters and other groups on the conservative side, Christians, that's happened.
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But any group, if any big, if a bakery, you know, we're like, you know what, we don't want, we don't want to serve gay people here.
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Despite if they had, like, really delicious, like, moist red velvet.
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And that was the last place you could, you could buy Diet Coke.
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I have a right, a constitutional right to aspartame that is protected by the aspartame clause.
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We all, if someone said, if a bakery was like, you know what, we're not serving Jews.
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And they would likely go out of business if they had a stance like that.
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But the idea that you would go and only support someone of your own race is a terrible idea.
01:06:26.960
But one of the Black Lives leaders, and she's also a professor at Cal State University, Malina Abdullah, said,
01:06:34.260
we say white capitalism because it's important that we understand that the economic system and the racial structures are connected.
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We have to not only disrupt the systems of policing that literally kill our people,
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but we have to disrupt the white supremacist, capitalist, patriarchal, heteronormative system that is really the root cause of these police killings.
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Because it's, I think it's important to realize that Black Lives Matter has gone so far beyond the black people who have been killed by police.
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I mean, now it's to the very economic system of the United States of America.
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And now it's about heteronormative standards and it's about patriarchy.
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Like you, we've talked to people who are in Black Lives Matter who don't believe those things, you know?
01:07:29.560
But the leadership does, whatever that leadership is.
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And many of them, as is typical with movements on the left, it always comes back to the same three or four things.
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There's three or four things it always comes back to.
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And all of this, even like you might say, well, it always comes back to something like global warming.
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And it is, well, that global warming thing gets back to, you know, the same thing of government control and taking money from people to do what the government seems to do right.
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That doesn't mean everybody who believes in global warming or is environmentalist is like that.
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And it needs to be called out because you can't act as if just because the initial motivation, right or wrong, was a positive thing.
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We want to protect black people from being shot unfairly.
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Then it blows into some that maybe are justified shootings that we were going to protest.
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And then it turns into Colin Kaepernick, who's kneeling during the anthem with his with his pig socks and his J shirt.
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They try to make you if you oppose what Colin Kaepernick does as a protest.
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And you think it's a dumb protest, even though he would have the right to do it if he could stay on the actual field and keep a job.
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You know, they make it seem like you're against that initial cause.
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Well, we all don't want it's nothing to do even with black people.
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I don't want anyone shot when they're not supposed to be shot.
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And when it does, there needs to be justice behind that.
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But, you know, this is this is kind of where these things go.
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You know, the NFL players are like, well, what are you talking about?
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We have this all we're saying we're standing up for injustice.
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That's nothing to do with protesting the anthem or the country, the military.
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Then kneel at any during any one of the other 23 hours and 59 minutes that the anthem isn't playing.
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And you know who is going to have a problem with that?
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And they keep saying it's not about the anthem and it's not about the country.
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Well, that runs contrary to what Colin Kaepernick, the founder of this movement, said.
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It was about the anthem and it is about the country.
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And but we're supposed to take all of their best intentions, all the best way you can take anything that Black Lives Matter does.
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For example, they want to only buy from black businesses and they want to essentially racially segregate themselves to only do business with their own race.
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And what we're supposed to take from that is, well, you know, they're they're good people and they just want to help other blacks.
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And, you know, look, they've had some they've been they've been oppressed in the past.
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And and, you know, we should support their efforts to only buy buy from people with the same skin color as them.
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No, you should never make a decision based on skin color that comes from racism.
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That comes from what we're talking about with Black Lives Matter.
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And it comes from giving free money at college to a black person over a white person because they're black.
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It should never, ever be part of your decision making process.
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And we, of course, suffer with not only ourselves when it happens to us, but we suffer with the people that are affected by these tragedies.
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Well, the collapse of Bitcoin has already begun.
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It was at 11.3 when we were talking about it 45 minutes ago.
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The Economist, I guess, sent out an app or an alert to everyone that said...
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It was trying to say that Bitcoin has hit 10,000.
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Its rapid appreciation should worry all who hold it.
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That would create a little panic, too, I would think.
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I think the word that Glenn likes to use is paradigm shift as far as the cryptocurrency market.
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You guys always encourage people to buy gold and silver in case of hard times and people in the government.
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Well, two weeks ago, Zimbabwe overthrew Mugabe.
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Well, the thing was that their Bitcoin went to like 15,000.
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But that wasn't U.S. Bitcoin, which means there's more than one Bitcoin market out there in the world.
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And I've done really well just in the last month.
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But one thing you said that everybody needs to understand, what backs Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies?
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So if people say you got rich and you got $100 billion worth of Bitcoin, you go to cash it in for what?
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I mean, you know, there's two ways that goes, right?
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You cash out for, you know, normal currency and you can spend it as you normally do.
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So if that were to collapse, obviously, is kind of what you're talking about.
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But I mean, at that point, you don't need to transfer it to anything.
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If you still have Bitcoin is a spendable currency.
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You know, it doesn't it's not everywhere yet, but it's it is growing quickly.
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Yeah, you can get more than a pizza for it now.
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Another day, another 335 people accused of sexual harassment.
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Obviously, Matt Lauer fired today from the Today Show for sexual assault of some sort.
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Apparently, this stems from an incident in Rio when they were covering the Olympics and is just coming to light now.
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She says it's pretty much common knowledge among reporters that he he does this, that he's just a sexual or a serial sexual harasser.
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And another staffer, another female staffer of his said that, yeah, pretty much everybody's seen him in his underwear.
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A guy always strips down to his underwear, invites women in, walks around the office.
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I don't even want to think about him having, like, underwear.
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I think, you know, I just kind of would rather just think of him.
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You don't want John Conyers in underwear in the same sentence.
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Just think of him fully clothed if you're going to think of him at all.
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I mean, that snowball continues to roll down the hill and gather steam.
01:17:45.240
But also, a sort of mysterious incident that we've, it's been kind of on the back burner for about a month now is the Rand Paul attack.
01:17:53.340
The guy, his next door neighbor, attacked him while he was getting off his riding lawnmower.
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He had earmuffs on to protect his hearing from the noise.
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And the neighbor came racing across his lawn and apparently slammed him into the tractor or the ground hard enough to break six of his ribs.
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Now, here's Rand Paul's description of the attack from yesterday.
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I was working in my yard with my earmuffs on, you know, to protect my hearing from the mower.
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In fact, the weird thing is I haven't talked to him in 10 years.
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And this guy runs and levels him at full speed without him even knowing it's coming.
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He also talked about the motive behind the attack.
01:18:59.960
Well, I didn't before the attack because we'd had no conversation.
01:19:04.920
After my ribs were broken, then he said things to me to try to indicate we was unhappy.
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But I think the, I guess to me, the bottom line is it isn't so important.
01:19:15.800
If someone mugs you, is it really justified for any reason?
01:19:19.980
And so I think the more people belabored, oh, well, was it about yard clipping?
01:19:26.620
Does he, he hates you because you oppose Obamacare?
01:19:30.120
You don't really know what's in someone's mind.
01:19:32.380
And so it may have some relevance, but for the most part, the real question should be, are you allowed to attack someone from behind in their yard when they're out mowing their grass?
01:19:42.840
That isn't the question because everybody knows the answer to it.
01:19:48.220
On the one hand, he says you can't know what's in somebody's mind.
01:20:02.820
I mean, you know, is it potentially that he is going to enter into legal action against this guy and doesn't want to talk about it publicly?
01:20:13.920
Yeah, he does seem like it's a worthwhile lawsuit.
01:20:17.280
The idea that this guy would just come attack you for no reason in the middle of the yard, though, because he keeps he keeps he won't just say it.
01:20:30.540
Yeah, because he said he tried to explain to me why he was unhappy.
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And what could be the reason for not telling other than the lawsuit?
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But then maybe it's something embarrassing to Rand.
01:20:47.180
You can't just no matter what your complaint is, you can't just come and attack somebody in their yard when they're not looking.
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It's not the fundamental question because it's too obvious.
01:20:59.860
Yes, he should like his explanation here, whether it's politics, whether it is, you know, lawn clippings, whether it's something else, isn't all that important as he should probably receive the same penalty either way.
01:21:14.400
That is, of course, not how our legal system is designed because our legal system says if it's about politics and he's attacking a senator about politics, it may be a federal crime, which may be much larger in the penalty.
01:21:28.020
You know, a normal brawl with your neighbor might get you some prison time, depending how severe it is.
01:21:32.800
But when you are attacking a senator over political purposes, that has a totally different scale.
01:21:38.480
And that's why I think it really matters for this guy, because if that was his motivation, it might wind up being a much bigger deal for him.
01:21:49.040
And maybe he's maybe he doesn't want to make it a much bigger deal for him.
01:21:52.500
Maybe it was politically motivated and he just doesn't want to say.
01:21:57.380
We all have a tendency to start filling in the blanks when the blanks aren't filled in for us because you just want to make sense of it.
01:22:05.020
And we've we've had two situations lately that that the blanks haven't been filled in for us.
01:22:12.940
The shooting in Las Vegas and now this Rand Paul thing.
01:22:17.920
I'm glad you brought up the Vegas thing, because what the hell is going on with that?
01:22:34.680
We don't know why you stop shooting or when you've got the hotel version and then you have the security guard version and then you have the police version.
01:22:42.080
There's still nothing about this guy's motivation.
01:22:47.860
Which contributes to a bunch of conspiracy theories.
01:22:51.360
I mean, you know, like you're right that human beings tend to try to fill in the blanks that are blank.
01:22:57.360
That's not necessarily a good instinct, though.
01:23:00.740
So the kooks are filling in the blanks of the Vegas shooting that these are crisis actors and the shooting actually didn't happen.
01:23:09.800
So because we don't have the answer with Rand Paul, was that a crisis actor on Senator Paul's lawnmower?
01:23:26.320
And that's what Senator Paul is trying to cover up.
01:23:33.160
Trying to get out of the house, act like he was working.
01:23:42.380
Since he didn't get it finished, he had to tell his wife something.
01:23:45.600
And he can't say it's about lawn clippings because there were no lawn clippings.
01:24:03.920
Because, I mean, if you can get away with just going outside, turning on the mower, letting
01:24:09.280
it run, and sitting on the other side, they hear the mower inside.
01:24:16.500
And in reality, you're just chilling and watching Netflix on your phone.
01:24:39.000
But it's not hundreds of people being shot and murdered for seemingly no apparent reason.
01:24:44.300
I still think the problem with the security guard is that he's maybe a dreamer.
01:24:55.800
Because he's been here, I think, most all of his life.
01:24:59.420
But I'll bet he's an illegal alien and nobody wants to say it.
01:25:04.340
And that's probably why he wasn't registered as a security guard.
01:25:08.080
And Mandalay Bay doesn't want to say anything about hiring illegals and skipping the process
01:25:14.440
and breaking the law because they had to be registered.
01:25:21.120
Which was a softball interview and she never got to the bottom of anything we wanted to
01:25:27.140
I mean, at some point, you would assume there's going to be an investigation where he's talking
01:25:30.760
to authorities and we'll eventually probably find that out.
01:25:39.740
Worst mass shooting, and I should say in U.S. history, because go look at some communist
01:25:43.400
regimes and see if there's been worse mass shootings than that.
01:25:49.000
Most of the worst mass shootings in history have all been done by governments.
01:25:52.840
We should point out something that the left, when they talk about how the government should
01:25:56.720
be controlling weapons, should maybe learn that lesson.
01:25:59.360
But yeah, I mean, this is a really, really bad one.
01:26:02.520
An incredibly horrific story with immense amounts of video, too.
01:26:08.560
It's, you know, there's one thing to have a mass shooting and we all hear those terrible
01:26:13.520
We all kind of feel like we experienced that one.
01:26:15.660
I mean, you feel like you were standing there in the crowd watching Jason Aldean sing
01:26:20.300
and all of a sudden people are being slaughtered all around you.
01:26:32.780
And it's almost two months now because it happened October 1st, right?
01:26:46.680
I mean, I would encourage you to, if you are feeling the same way about this, to get a
01:26:51.380
baseline, the New York Times put together an amazing piece of video and timeline about
01:26:58.260
when things happen and where things happen with video.
01:27:00.860
Some video I had never seen before of like cab drivers that were pulling up to the Mandalay
01:27:06.360
Bay, not knowing what was going on, just hearing the noises.
01:27:09.020
I mean, and showing you where it was, what happened at exactly what they think is the
01:27:13.840
But as you point out, there are some disagreements in the timeline.
01:27:17.120
But at least gives you a general sense of what was happening, where it was happening.
01:27:19.820
And some of that has been fleshed out, but still motivation, nothing, really giant zilch.
01:27:26.980
I mean, could this person have lived his entire life with no indication that he was going to
01:27:35.840
Like, you know, an Islamic extremist that does something like this, we all know there
01:27:38.960
are millions of Islamic extremists around the world, many of which have answered to pollsters
01:27:46.500
Like, I mean, it's one thing to be dedicated to killing innocent Americans.
01:27:50.320
It's another thing to say, you know what, I'm going to tell the pollster who just called
01:27:53.060
me and you know what, yes, I would like to kill them.
01:27:54.960
That's quite another, it's quite another line across the world.
01:28:00.100
And luckily, the problem isn't as bad here, obviously.
01:28:03.220
But, you know, there are extremists all over the place that want to kill people.
01:28:07.560
And while it's terrible and dying is dying, you at least understand, there's something
01:28:15.740
The one, I think it was Adam Lanza was the guy with the school in Sandy Hook.
01:28:25.300
But one of the most terrible things about that, despite it being one of the worst crimes
01:28:32.680
I mean, these are little children, nothing to do with any of this, with anything.
01:28:38.100
But he seemingly kind of didn't really have a story.
01:28:43.220
You know, he's kind of, he had some mental issues and, you know, he played, you know,
01:28:53.860
And there really wasn't a, not that there's ever a satisfying answer to something like
01:28:57.840
that, but at least when there's an ideology behind it, you understand what occurred.
01:29:01.160
And this one is even, I mean, makes that one look like we have tons of information on it.
01:29:09.060
Just this guy had a bunch of weapons and is long, meticulously planned over a long period
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We've talked a lot about kind of crazy investments over the past few months.
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But there's some that are a little bit more, I don't know, foundational to our society.
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01:31:15.260
Pat Gray, Stupor Gear for Glenn, the Glenn Beck program.
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Also, we're going to talk to Jeffy in a few minutes.
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Maybe we tell him that the show's been moved to New York and it's not here anymore.
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Maybe we just tell him, sorry, we've retired to go sell facial cream.
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Especially with his face looking so soft and smooth lately.
01:32:07.600
Senate Republicans, considering an automatic tax increase.
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If the revenue falls short of projections, when they give the tax cut, they're thinking
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about instituting an automatic tax increase that just kicks in.
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They wouldn't have to go back and debate it or tell the American people about it.
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And if revenue falls below a certain level, we all get a tax increase.
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With Republicans like this, who needs Democrats?
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I don't know how they even look themselves in the mirror every night.
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It's basically their way to try to say, we care about the debt.
01:32:50.220
And look, it's not going to hurt our debt problems.
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I don't want the government to have the same amount of money that they currently have.
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And to say that, yes, their point is, well, what will happen is the economy will grow and
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It's great in theory if you believe the government is currently the correct size.
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The only way that's just, it's their way of saying, we're going to cut taxes for people
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and you'll still get all the great stuff the government does.
01:33:35.100
Well, I don't think the government does a lot of great stuff.
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And in fact, there's this, you probably wouldn't know this, Pat, but there's this document
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that kind of outlined what the government should do.
01:33:47.700
So it's actually a series of documents written by these people that are really old.
01:34:03.980
In fact, if they were alive today, they'd be super old, like hundreds of years old.
01:34:09.380
And you know what happens with a document when it gets old?
01:34:18.340
I mean, you can't trust the things that are in there.
01:34:19.980
I mean, you can't pay attention to a document that was written, what, 240 years ago?
01:34:36.100
It's way better if you don't have to pay attention to any.
01:34:38.200
What if you just do the things you want to do and take as much as you want to do it?
01:34:41.900
That's, I think, the right way a society should run.
01:34:43.760
It would seem to me these people you're describing, the white, old, powdered wig people, they had
01:34:52.820
no conception of what life today would be like.
01:35:05.700
That's why we're just going to ignore pretty much everything they put in the documents.
01:35:10.740
It's funny because that's a problem, and you've made this point a million times, and
01:35:15.600
I love it, which is the Republicans who claim to be conservative say they believe certain
01:35:23.560
things but are unwilling to articulate them to the society.
01:35:36.880
So what we'll do is we'll just guarantee you get the same amount of money.
01:35:40.560
And if it doesn't happen, we'll raise taxes, we promise.
01:35:46.320
You have control of the House, the Senate, and the presidency.
01:35:55.000
And, you know, I don't know what's going to happen with this.
01:35:56.620
Like, there's been a couple different breakdowns of what this tax plan will do to even people
01:36:03.720
In any circumstance, everyone should have more of their own money.
01:36:09.780
Especially when you're talking about an opening negotiating position or a first bill before
01:36:19.400
But, you know, the breakdowns are questionable.
01:36:54.380
We were not really particularly interested in that.
01:37:12.360
Anyways, you stunningly have not been accused of any crime recently, which is maybe we shouldn't
01:37:24.820
I watched the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade this past Thanksgiving, and there's Matt Lauer
01:37:32.960
And I remember sitting there this year, days ago, thinking, wow, Matt Lauer has made it
01:37:46.220
Because my thought was, because I was just thinking about Charlie Rose having been summarily
01:37:54.360
And I thought, well, here's another morning show.
01:38:02.540
I'm just happy that for the first time since my mother passed away, I'm happy that she
01:38:08.480
So I'm happy she didn't have to see this day of reckoning horror.
01:38:15.180
I don't know what he did, but they seem like they have a lot on this guy.
01:38:19.500
Because the way they're acting, first of all, they dropped him.
01:38:21.600
And that's the same thing that happened with Spacey, too, right?
01:38:29.840
We haven't heard a lot since he kind of went away.
01:38:36.680
I think largely because a lot of other people have been accused in the interim.
01:38:44.840
There was no, we need to talk to him about this.
01:38:51.660
Remember that guy who used to be here for 20 years?
01:39:02.440
Because I saw him making his little ha-ha jokes.
01:39:05.440
His funny, funny jokes on the Thanksgiving Day Parade.
01:39:24.140
That's kind of his excuse for everything, I feel like.
01:39:39.340
He's had punishment enough for whatever he's done, you know.
01:39:42.100
What are you going to do that hasn't already been done to him?
01:39:44.700
He had to throw his underwear in the trash can at the White House.
01:39:52.260
And I feel like if you're a janitor at the White House, you're.
01:39:59.740
But it is, I got to think that that's like the number one job you want.
01:40:04.740
Adult underwear in the garbage would be somewhat of a turn off in that job.
01:40:10.900
If you're going to work a job as a janitor, like the top of your profession, right, is probably
01:40:41.800
Have you heard these types of rumors about Matt Lauer before?
01:40:48.100
When I was watching the parade, I thought, wow.
01:40:58.360
Have we hit the point of saturation here where.
01:41:02.620
You think there's still a lot more of this to come?
01:41:06.100
It feels like it's going to take a big news event.
01:41:10.500
Like the next test missile lands in Tokyo for this to be knocked off of the news cycle.
01:41:17.360
And obviously you don't root for anything like that.
01:41:36.380
Some people have said you're a good guy or whatever.
01:41:55.320
Because you had done something they didn't like.
01:42:08.920
Who believed the Washington Post was wronging them.
01:42:52.020
The person who supposedly victimized this woman is terrible because they've done this
01:42:58.200
But then anyone who sides with them and says well he says he didn't do it.
01:43:03.680
They're also a terrible human being because they're accusing that woman of lying in some
01:43:10.440
And Savannah Guthrie showed just how true that is this morning because she talked about
01:43:20.360
Somebody they've you know that's been her partner and now she's conflicted because of
01:43:25.540
the courageous employee fellow co-worker that came forward with this tough information.
01:43:32.320
Well so she's got to give the the victim the the appearance that she believes the victim
01:43:43.100
to even though she's known her dear dear friend for all these years.
01:43:50.280
That's how bad this is because she knows she can't say anything good about any female
01:43:55.180
that comes out and says that you know some of these women we've got to be careful because
01:43:58.920
we've spent I mean Angela Lansbury surprised she's still alive came out the other day and
01:44:03.500
was talking about you know for years women have made themselves look beautiful and so we
01:44:08.180
have to take a little bit of that was a bad comment though.
01:44:13.520
I know but I'm just saying it's an example of then she gets just piled on.
01:44:19.220
But she was saying that because women are beautiful men have an excuse kind of it was
01:44:27.620
You know we've been working really hard to make ourselves desirable to men now they're
01:44:31.340
well yes but just because you're desirable doesn't mean we can act inappropriately to
01:44:36.700
Yeah because there have been women who on record have said they have uh dressed a certain way
01:44:46.160
We have we have heard recently women who have said I chose to have sex with this man for
01:44:54.300
this job for this job yes I got the job and now it's sexual harassment and it's like is
01:45:02.380
that a good arrangement no no is it an appropriate arrangement no is this a sexual harassment no
01:45:08.780
I mean I don't negotiated a price and the price was the movie role and now so and this
01:45:16.340
is the thing because I think you could say fairly right like that you shouldn't have to
01:45:21.380
have sex with someone to get a movie role and you shouldn't no but let's just take the
01:45:25.380
other side of this for a second you know you're the backup quarterback in this situation you're
01:45:29.780
the woman that should have had that role but the other woman slept with Harvey Weinstein
01:45:35.300
to get it so now you didn't get a job because some other woman chose on her own volition by
01:45:41.800
her own word to have sex with Harvey Weinstein to get a job doesn't that other woman kind of
01:45:46.760
have a case here to be pissed off I mean well wait I mean forget the fact that the woman is
01:45:52.580
saying that she is a victim of Harvey Weinstein and obviously he was you know this way all accounts
01:45:57.560
of a predatory because they say that they felt they couldn't say no but you can no way whether
01:46:02.980
you felt that way or not you can say no and so you didn't get that acting like that yeah get
01:46:08.940
another one yeah well yeah but it's it's the Hollywood industry right she'll be blackballed
01:46:13.760
for a bit well then do something else do a different line of work and again that does
01:46:17.920
that I know because you said this off the air as well it's like that doesn't mean it's appropriate
01:46:23.100
it doesn't mean it's right you know it's a it's a it's an it's an impossible situation to be put in
01:46:29.240
and it's it's a price you're having to make a decision based on priorities you that you shouldn't
01:46:33.440
have to make you shouldn't have to decide well do I want this job or do I want to uh have sex
01:46:39.140
Harvey Weinstein or do I want to be harassed that's not a decision that should happen right so that
01:46:44.680
part of it is a real problem and shouldn't exist and it is seemingly with Weinstein and several
01:46:49.560
others it really does exist that complete seems to be completely a different case than Glenn Thrush
01:46:54.900
from the New York Times or even Louis CK uh who is it doesn't seem that way I mean Roy Moore
01:47:01.040
obviously we've talked about there there is a wide array of accusations against Roy Moore but the one
01:47:08.620
that really stands out is the 14 year old if the if the 14 year old thing is true then it's a really
01:47:14.560
big deal and he shouldn't be senator right if what if the accusation is true that it was from I think a
01:47:21.220
22 year old a 22 year old woman that he went to the mall and he asked out several times and she said
01:47:25.220
no and nothing happened that's not it's not a news story at all right it's not even something that you
01:47:30.860
probably might not even remember in your life right from both sides of that equation yeah someone asked
01:47:37.340
Roy Moore certainly can't be the first person who has uh put on the uh watch out for that guy at
01:47:42.380
the mall guy yeah I mean there's guys like that all the time yeah you know well I mean you gotta go
01:47:49.220
I've heard that it's not all just malls with you it's uh all areas but it needs to be said the mall
01:47:56.380
manager said that wasn't even true he was not banned from the mall well he was he was and he was a he was
01:48:02.500
in that area right like he was I think a little bit after these incidents but he was still he would still
01:48:07.000
theoretically be banned right yeah yeah and I don't you know who knows if that's true or not
01:48:11.240
there's a guy that said that's denied it right I mean he's the guy that's denied it down the line
01:48:15.340
I don't know you know yeah if you deny it you better be true be true to yourself but that's right
01:48:23.420
you can't fight it off yeah you can't fight it off no matter how many times you deny it no matter how
01:48:28.900
many times still gonna vilify they're still gonna vilify you're still gonna be guilty of it too
01:48:32.180
whatever portion of whatever portion of the audience previously didn't like you
01:48:36.620
is going to continue to not like you and say anyone who supports you is a terrible person for
01:48:42.240
supporting you it makes it it makes it impossible and we've said this with with claims of racism
01:48:47.700
before right if you call everything racism then the real claim of racism has no power and I think
01:48:56.320
that's true yeah I think it's true with sexual harassment as well there are women who are really
01:49:01.140
um uh you know have been assaulted and have been harassed and taken you know I mean there are
01:49:06.420
accusations in this mess of the past couple months they're accusations of rape right these are really
01:49:12.720
really serious things horrible to throw in in these same conversations people who have I you know
01:49:19.280
give you the the Glenn Thrush thing one more time I don't know if you heard this earlier Jeffy
01:49:23.280
uh he is the uh he's the the the writer the writer for the New York Times the White House
01:49:28.560
are amazing yeah this is this is what they accuse him of not not necessarily what he's admitted to
01:49:33.820
this is what he accuses of one accusation he kissed a woman on the ear at the time the woman shrugged it
01:49:39.400
off accusation one accusation two uh there was a consensual but aborted sexual encounter the other
01:49:46.440
ones that's not even a problem not even right like they started doing it and they decided both
01:49:50.240
decided and then she said no this isn't right and he didn't do anything then weird I mean that's
01:49:55.320
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hello back ray stuber gear uh jeffy's here as well uh in for glenn today who's uh who lost his
01:52:18.180
voice and so hopefully after a day of rest he'll he should be back uh tomorrow we've been talking about
01:52:23.480
uh several things today but uh probably the biggest story of the day is the firing of matt
01:52:28.200
lauer and how quickly that transpired that transpired we're probably going to hear a lot
01:52:32.320
of screwy things uh about matt lauer in the next couple of days does seem that way doesn't it yeah
01:52:38.920
i mean as fast as they got rid of him you've got to believe that some bad things are going to come
01:52:44.000
out yeah yeah he said an interesting thing we played it earlier we don't have time for it again but
01:52:48.480
he he was interviewing bill o'reilly shortly after o'reilly's demise and he told bill o'reilly
01:52:54.480
hey you don't just fire your number one guy without evidence he's laying the you figure he's laying
01:53:01.300
the groundwork wow that's that's ballsy if you knew that this was possible about yourself crap in
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your past wow yeah we'll see if the how how how big it is right i mean over the next few days but the
01:53:14.280
fact that he got fired without any even investigation or suspension is big i know you'll probably talk about
01:53:18.080
this on pat uh grand leash today which is coming up in a little while i'm gonna be talking a little
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radio and television network as well on tv tonight hosting for glenn okay what time does that happen
01:53:26.020
uh 5 p.m eastern okay we'll see you tomorrow then well and glenn will see you tomorrow hopefully
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on his most of this show you know so glenn back