11⧸7⧸17 - Bitten by the 'Fame bug'
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Summary
26 people were gunned down in a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas on Sunday, November 5th. Suspect identified as Devin Kelley, 26-year-old former Air Force veteran, was a member of the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs and a supporter of anti-Christian causes.
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The Blaze Radio Network, on demand, love, courage, truth, Glenn Beck.
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Well, we're now finding out more about the shooter who will remain nameless on this program.
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We're not going to give him any fame, but he is now being described as vocally anti-Christian.
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A 26-year-old, he murdered 26 people during a worship service on Sunday at the First Baptist Church in a little teeny town called Sutherland Springs here in Texas.
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He graduated from New Braunfels High School in 2009.
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He worked as a logistical readiness airman at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico.
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He then married a woman named Tessa, had an infant stepson.
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In 2012, he assaulted his wife and stepson, fracturing the boy's skull.
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Now, according to the Air Force, the chief prosecutors, Kelly pled to intentionally fracturing the child's skull.
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He was court-martialed for the assault and spent a year in military prison.
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After his prison term, he was discharged from the Air Force for bad conduct.
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In April 2014, he married Danielle Lee Shields.
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While he was there, he was charged again, this time with a misdemeanor, animal cruelty.
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In recent years, he lived with Danielle and their two-year-old son in a barn behind his parents' house
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However, by 2017, he was estranged from Danielle.
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In June, he was hired to work as an unarmed night security guard at a water park.
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Danielle sometimes attended First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs with her parents.
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Yesterday, officials say they were investigating the threatening texts that Kelly had sent to his mother-in-law.
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They haven't released any of the details yet, but it appears that the church shooting was somehow connected
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to a domestic dispute and his hatred for Christians.
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Several people who knew Kelly, the shooter from high school, unfriended him on Facebook.
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They said that he had grown dark, and he had liked several atheist groups on his Facebook page.
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One Facebook friend wrote that he was always talking about how people believe in God, and they were stupid,
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One former friend posted on Facebook Sunday night.
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Over the years, we all saw him change into something that he wasn't.
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In all of the tragedies that I have covered in 40 years of broadcast,
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I don't think I have ever read these words from someone who knew the killer.
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To be completely honest, I'm not really surprised this happened.
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I think you're different, and we look at things differently.
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I want to give you just a recap of what we've experienced here in the last few weeks.
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First, let me tell you that Rand Paul, his injuries are more severe than originally thought.
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Apparently, he has three teeth that were knocked out.
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This story has gone from he had the wind knocked out of him to something really serious.
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And we know that his neighbor is now trying to make this about grass clippings.
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The reason why he is trying to make this about grass clippings
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And it, to me, looks like it was politically motivated.
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Imagine if somebody who was listening to this program
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or listened to Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or any of us.
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And they would be calling for us to be shut down.
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Here's a guy who was a follower of Occupy Democrats.
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And he said that Republicans are the most evil in the world today
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I'm not going where you think I'm going, by the way.
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before he could get away with what he was going to do.
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so we have set up a fund um for this for this town these these amazing people i mean this this
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town has really come together and is yet another example of the good people of texas and and how
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good people are supposed to behave um all the way down from the the guy we have some amazing audio
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from steven crowder who uh talked to the guy who came out of his house and an nra instructor i thought
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the nra they were nothing but terrorists an nra instructor came out and uh and brought his gun
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and he's the guy who um stopped the shooting the guy who got into the truck he didn't even know who
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he was they got into a truck and they they pursued him while they were waiting for the police and
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radioing the police and telling the police where to go it's quite a remarkable town um paul uh buffard
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he is um the pastor of river oaks church which is i think kind of the sister church do i have that
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right paul you're kind of the sister church of this this church well we're we're a neighbor church okay
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pretty much um and it's buford um i'm sorry sorry that's okay we're two miles down the road uh we
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just you know we're the family of god so we we work together uh jointly on a lot of things
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our families are interconnected they people in my church have families that are in that church
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uh some of the people that were in my church on sunday morning came to be with their family members
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that morning instead of going to that church that uh two days ago so yes this is a very close very
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uh small community we're only talking hundreds of people that are here so paul how is the community
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um how's the community dealing with this i mean 10 percent of the population was involved
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well you know well we're we're dealing with it through the strength of the lord in our through
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our faith in in god and and we're dealing with it through the outpouring of love that we're seeing
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from from the rest of our community from the state of texas and even from even from america i i sent a
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picture this morning from a friend in in washington dc of the washington monument with the ring of uh
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flags being flown at half mast uh excuse me ordered by president trump uh for the in honor of the victims
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that are here so we know that america and even the world i'm getting i'm getting messages from all over
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the world uh brazil and different places the united kingdom uh showing support and love and asking
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if there's anything that they can do uh for us so that that's the only thing that can hold you up in
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this time i was asked yesterday by one of the reporters if if it does it doesn't something like
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this shake your feet or shake your uh faith and i'm like no no it strengthens my faith when we see
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when we see everyone in the in the body of christ pull together uh and and love one another and and we
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know in the strength of the lord that our friends uh that that we'll never see again here or in heaven
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with their lord and savior we'll see them again there someday paul how do you um how do you explain to
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to people that say you know if there is a god i mean these people were good people they were all in
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the church praying and um you know if there is a god how could he let that happen well i try to use
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the example uh well first off let let me say that we that we believe that we're and and truly believe
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that we're made in the image of god and and in that we've been given attributes that are of god and
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and i think one of the greatest attributes is is humans being made in the image of god that we've
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been given is choice uh he may he gave us the ability to make and and and the uh means to make
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choices and desires us to to look to him and and make good choices uh god always has choices in front
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of him but he would never make a wrong choice so in saying that we we're here on this earth and we're
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we do things and we live our lives that's what he put us here gave us dominion over this world uh to to
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to subdue it and and overcome it and and then we do things that are against what he wants and we
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want to blame him for it i mean that's i and i hate to use this kind of analogy but but i say
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you know if you step if you step off the curb in front of a uh in front of a truck or something and
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you get hit we can't blame god if someone bad does something we can't blame god we we blame
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we we blame what's going on in that other person's heart uh they're they're turning away from god
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to do evil instead of doing good how about how about how about blaming the gun there's a lot of
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people in america that want to blame the gun well we you know we have so many things now that we're
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going to blame i mean do we blame the rock that's used do we blame a hammer that you or a car
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that's used or uh you know we we have so much blame that we want to in finger point we want to
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find something we want to find something else other than ourselves to point to to to blame for
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these tragedies this is the heart issues this is a spiritual battle that's going on here you know
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and and evil is evil will not prevail evil did not prevail the other day glenn it it it didn't win
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anything yesterday because the love now is overpowering anything that happened uh so no we
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we don't blame the gun we don't blame we don't blame the instrument that is used uh in in in doing
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these uh type of of things we we blame the hearts of man for for looking to themselves and looking to do
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evil rather than looking to do good and looking to god are you um familiar uh with the uh holcomb family
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do you know them yes i i knew them very well uh that's such a tragedy for this uh for this community
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because they were such upstanding people here uh they were so loved i and i was telling someone
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yesterday i said brian holcomb when i never saw anything but a smile and laughter come out of his
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face he is a guy who played the ukulele uh and and at different places and carla his his wife was just
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a joy i mean she's so funny and and outgoing and they were so strong in their faith and and crystal uh
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john holcomb's wife she was such a beautiful woman and and already had some tragedy in her life previously
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before uh before all of this and and her kids were so wonderful um and and and then poor john now is
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left with this devastation and two children uh to take care of so it's just a tragedy and they were
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all such beautiful people john's john is the most quietest just nicest guy do anything in the world
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uh for anybody so if if people don't know um brian was the guest preacher
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um and he was killed his wife was killed their son was killed their pregnant daughter-in-law and the
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baby crystal were killed four of their grandchildren were killed and only three remain of this family
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right right and and crystal was pregnant so uh and and i i heard the other day that they're determining
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and and going to make that another victim the baby that she was carrying how can we help
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well i think the the help that we need right now and and they said we'll really do prayers help
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absolutely they do for us to know that that the the world and the united states and and the body of
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christ is praying for us uh that means that means everything to us i mean i i i don't know where
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we're getting the strength from to to just keep going well i do know but but i mean it's just we just
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keep going i mean i i don't get very much sleep i don't get very good sleep and yet i wake up and i
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and i feel fresh and uh and and ready to go and i go throughout the day i'm i'm five weeks out of back
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surgery i'm not supposed to be doing all of this and yet you know supernaturally my my back may hurt
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just a little bit but i just keep going and going and going so continue with the uh with the prayers
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we have an outpouring of of financial um uh help uh being offered and and we're i mean to the point
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where we have so many other things going on we're trying to establish how all of that can be done so
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that people know that that money will get to the family and the church uh and and we're working on
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that this week is so much concentrated on trying to help the families help the wounded we still have
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so many injured we talk about those that are that that are uh that have died but we still have so many
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that have been injured that are in hospitals so some that that may never walk again uh and with
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multiple gunshot wounds and those families are still up there at those hospitals so it's important
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for us to know that that uh that y'all are still playing for us and in this week we we're having
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to deal with trying to make all the arrangements for the funerals trying to get uh any assistance that
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the families need in the weeks to come that's when we're really going to need people you know
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rather than just move on to something else to come back and say okay okay now that the now that
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things have settled down just a little bit here what what is it that we need from this point uh to
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go forward you know pastor thank you so much we are praying for you god bless and um and uh we'll
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talk to you again thank you so much well thank you thank you glenn and thank you america
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so that was pastor paul buford uh from a church right down the street uh in the community where all of
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this happened um you know there's so many people saying well prayers aren't enough prayers aren't
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enough i assume all those people are putting their money where their mouth is and trying to help
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you know we were just talking to the pastor of the neighboring church here in texas that was
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shot up and we told you about the um the holcomb family i just i just just imagine this
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mom and dad guest preacher both of them dead their son killed their pregnant daughter-in-law
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killed the baby killed four of their grandchildren killed this leaves now joe holcomb he's 86 years old
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he now has to mourn for all of the whole family
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he said quote we know where they are now all of our family members it won't be long before we're
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i don't i don't i fail to understand the people who um want to take down christianity
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anything that gives you anything that gives you that peace anything that gives you
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the ability to not be lost in uh hatred and darkness but anything that says
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you can lose your entire family i don't care if it's a lie i really don't
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and i've had atheist friends who have said to me
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you know glenn that's you know you're smarter than that how could you possibly believe in a
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resurrected well i do i do but you know what it makes me a better man
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it makes me happy it makes me peaceful it gives me hope
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it helps me explain the world that i live in i don't really care
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and if i wake up and i'm in a box and i'm like huh there's nothing here
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i mean you know if i die and i never wake up okay well i won't know the difference
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now i'm not saying this for people of faith i'm saying this for people
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you should a give it a shot b if if you don't want to give it a shot
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from finding something that gives them peace in their life
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if it was a drug that made people react like that in a matter of tragedy to see things in that sort of perspective
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right it's it's amazing that this doesn't come from a drug
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it comes from real faith and and and something that you know seemingly a larger and larger portion of this country wants to stop
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i mean you can't just join in and not really believe and not change your life
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the past 24 hours have been difficult to keep up with
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especially if you're here in america because nobody is paying attention to this
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on monday saudi arabia called a missile attack by an iranian proxy an act of war by iran
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literally just a few hours later the saudis accused lebanon of declaring war on the kingdom for supporting hezbollah
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the saudi gulf affairs minister said lebanon would be quote dealt with as a government declaring war on saudi arabia end quote
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this morning the saudi crown prince who basically is a de facto king accused iran of direct military aggression
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the saudis have used the word war twice in 24 hours and now the most powerful man in the country publicly points the finger at iran
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the arab and the persian cold war has been going on for a very long time but it is
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very rare that it is this public and they never are this direct about it
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well i'm going to try to break this down at five o'clock because there's a lot of pieces
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uh to this but it boils down to this a fundamental transformation of the middle east is underway
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saudi arabia and iran and even turkey are scrambling to see who will fill the power vacuum
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vacuum left behind as isis retreats all three of them want a caliphate iran has clearly been winning
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this they have armed militias dominating the countries of yemen lebanon syria and iraq they are on the verge of
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near complete control this is the caliphate that they have been working towards the saudis are finding
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themselves a little late to the party and they've apparently had enough the direct
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confrontation between the saudis and iran will affect you it will have global consequences
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i mean i hate to even mention this but there are so many people in america that will only pay
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attention to this when their gasoline is five dollars a gallon and that could happen and it could happen
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quickly but that is the least of our worries militaries from all over the world will get involved which will
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increase the chance a mistake may happen between these two rivals president trump is in asia this week
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i am praying that he is directing all of his attention to the middle east the state department
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should be in overdrive working to cool this down because there are no winners in wars in the middle
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east i don't know if anybody has caught that but there are no winners in the wars in the middle east
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no one will win if this war goes forward but the war drums are beating loudly
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it's tuesday november 7th you're listening to the glenn beck program
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we have a guest that i don't know a few years ago i would imagine would had to have hated my guts
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and then mason and may actually still i'm not i'm not really sure um but he is uh big on ted talks
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you you may have seen this uh theo ej wilson he was uh he is known as lucifuri as in the poetry circles
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he has won all kinds of uh poetry slams and he was uh a guy who really kind of became famous uh overnight
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he said i took a cell phone out and i made myself famous uh talking about the things that he cared
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about and uh he said he got up one morning and there were so many notifications on his phone he
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thought he slept through uh you know some world tragedy and no it was that his video had become
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viral and uh and people were listening to what he said so he said i made more and more videos and
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they were more and more divisive but he had experiences at the height of black lives matter
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and um he had a he's a survivor of police brutality himself he lost a childhood friend um that way and
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so he uh he had plenty to say and then he realized wait a minute the internet can be really really good
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but it also can just divide us and so he decided to go in and find the people that really kind of
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wanted him dead uh and wanted to you know uh that just disagreed with everything that he believed in
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and wanted to see can i find the humanity and he did this is an amazing story theo welcome to the
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program how are you thank you very much glenn for having me on and i'm doing great good so tell me
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about your experience theo um in what regards sir well i mean how how you started going down the uh
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going down the road of trying to talk to people who everybody would pretty much say are despicable
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well it was it was by accident max uh most most savingly i was getting trolled myself as you mentioned
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and i i would like trace my trolls and they would have these shell accounts that had nothing behind
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them and i said well two can play that game now around that time i have a friend who uh worked at
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a marketing firm and he started telling me about target marketing algorithms how these target marketing
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algorithms uh would give you more of what you clicked on and that it worked for not only products you buy
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but also for the news that you consume and uh a little bit into this i it just little blips started
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coming through to let me know that i was in my own bubble and that i said all right well if this is
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the case let me see what's on the other side and i literally glenn when i when i tell you i didn't
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think that it was anything when i was doing it i i i created the account i went down the rabbit hole
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and it was just informing me i was engaging with folks at lucid 25 and then i shut the project down
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thinking that it was inconsequential a year before ted talks uh hit me up and asked me to create
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something that had relatively little to do with this originally so i'm as surprised as anybody else
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man so what did you find going down the rabbit hole i found a lot of darkness bro if i could um
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be be honest with you uh i am invested in the unity of humanity and the tragedy of racism is that we are
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all human the tragedy of racism is that we have ascribed far too high of consequences for the
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differences that we have and i also really crunched the numbers on this and found out that
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black people as a whole in this country are just woefully outnumbered and that as much sway as we'd
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like to think that we have there are forces that are literally beyond our control to the level
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uh that i do not know if we can achieve dr king's dream with as many people triggered into racism
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as i saw so it was actually a scarring experience as much as i would like to reach towards unity
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i think that the seeds of divisiveness cannot be uprooted until they really poke their head out
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and there's more coming man unfortunately i think that's what's really interesting about your approach
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though and that you i think a lot of us feel that way that these divides are so wide that we're never
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going to be able to connect with anyone or or even see the humanity on the other side and i thought what
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was interesting is you really tried to investigate you gave it you gave it an actual you know college
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try you actually tried to see things in their points of view that you could connect with or see was
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that were real can you kind of describe what you saw there that kind of connected you a little bit to
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that side yeah man um and i want to be very very clear because i had a human compassion
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for the folks that were on that side didn't mean that i have sympathy and it has to be made clear
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yeah yeah definitely yeah i get it yeah a basic human compassion is a spiritual device that lets you see
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the cause and effect of how someone became who they are and that's what i found but a sympathizer for
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the all right far from it what i well what i discovered is that human beings can be reinforced
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into virtually any hateful position if there's enough for you echoing that was the danger of
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the echo chamber because there's not enough uh data points coming in to give you some other food for
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thought and if you are in the chat group if you are uh frequenting uh frequenting certain websites
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youtube channels and if the internet itself is feeding you more of that and thereby giving you
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people more of a of a like-minded perspective before you know it before you know it you will think that
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this is the way that the world is and what i saw was that hmm had i been born on that side of the racial
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divide i'm not sure if i would escape it and conversely i think that what's interesting is that
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every member of the alt-right had they been born black would be a part of black lives matter
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because of the way that they assimilated the data and that's what i thought was very interesting
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so theo let me um let me talk to you about um something that we may strongly disagree with
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um yes sir uh i did kind of the same thing when there was the shooting here in dallas
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um i got together with the people who were were marching and the reason why is because our
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reporters were there and all of a sudden everybody's race and everything didn't matter everybody was
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hiding and protecting each other just the same and uh the people who uh were viewing the reporters as
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you know stereotypical white people reporting and the stereotypical white reporter going look at the
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black people that are angry in the streets all of a sudden that all disappeared and they started
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talking as humans and so i brought them into the um into the studio and we spent several hours
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together and i found a lot in common uh with the people that were marchers however i found that they
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were not um in line per se with the organizers of black lives matter the the communists that want to you
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know destroy america and have a separate state and and i'm not saying that all of them are like that by any
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stretch of the imagination but the the ones that uh have put the manifestos out are not the same
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as many of the people who follow them uh that have real issues that that nobody's listening to
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yeah i i i i will say that the folks that i know who went to ferguson will say the same thing there are
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the actual folks who began to protest because there was actually a systemic injustice in ferguson
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that the department of justice found that there is actually systemic racism that the police were a
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collections agency policing the population via tickets and that the police violence was a part of
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that and then there is the uh takeover of that narrative that those in ferguson are very upset about
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and um in terms of whether it's it's it's its roots are communism wanting to destroy america from
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within i'm not sure about that narrative well i i would just say i i i just so i'm i'm not defending
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a or or throwing out a a paper tiger here um a and i don't even remember now stew maybe you can help me
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define it but it was a black lives matter uh manifesto that had been put out very early
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when black lives matter first started from what you know self-appointed leadership so i i want to make
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clear that i'm that's what i'm defining as the leadership so i i could be you might know
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something different and i'm willing to explore that well let me just say that from my knowledge
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black lives matter was started just as a hashtag man by uh three um uh queer black women from florida
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and it was just like oh and it actually began around the trayvon case when george zimmerman got
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exonerated and so there's black lives matter the organization and then there's black lives matter
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the hashtag man yeah and i think that a lot of the far far right-wing media has whipped up some kind of
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uh fever dream about black lives matter because when i actually talk to the people in it these ain't
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terrorists they're basically nerds man they're like social justice warrior kids like like like seriously
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no we've no we found the same thing i got a lot of heat from the right when i wrote a an article
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in the new york times saying you know make sure you understand who black lives matter is because
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there's there's this there's this radical side of it that you know hate all cops and you know death to
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the pigs and everything else but that's not who i've met in black lives matter and because there's a lot
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of people that just say there's injustice here and we need to talk about it yeah that's that's that's
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what i'm saying and like for example i i saw like when bill o'reilly was still on they kept replaying
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that marching uh chant pigs in a blanket fry like bacon i remember when they they kept replaying that
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and i said well which is more deadly a slogan or a bullet because as far as you can tell me
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no actual card carry member of black lives matter has laid anybody down they haven't killed anybody yet
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like if you compare the body counts there's no comparison but so the fear you wouldn't you wouldn't
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i mean you know you could say that about uh you know the uh you know people who would protest you
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know who are neo-nazis here in america that say hey you know death to and and they haven't done and
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you know their group hasn't done anything it's still not good to be saying those things or believing
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those things well yeah and those chats right there i can see how that can trigger some folks into
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believing that this is a a hate movement but here's what i think is beneath all of this man
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when you look at the idea i don't know if you studied this something called historical trauma
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it's the mechanism of environmental learning that you don't just learn language from your parents you
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also learn paradigms and that there are wounds on both sides of the racial divide that distort our
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lens on how we perceive the world yes and if you're not aware of that lens let's say that the pain lens
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that black folks have involves victimization we have been victims slavery is not a victim narrative
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it's an actual victim thing that happened right and jim crow is not that either and on the other side of
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the racial divide uh the lens of guilt and emotional distortion that happens in the hearts of white
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folks um because of the historical crimes when something is said and you don't realize that you
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have that filter it can go through that lens and like all light distort and you will lose the true
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shape of the problem if you're not aware that you have that lens and i believe that that emotional
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that emotional trauma that's been passed down from generation to generation is distorting any
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efforts to come together and the difference is is that on the white side i mean you have very very
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powerful people there is no black answer to steve bannett there is no black answer to somebody like rob
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mercer there is nobody who has the power that uh donald trump has so we're dealing with this and
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the fact that we're numerical minorities okay can we can we have the right to be afraid i i need to i
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need to take a break can you stay with us for a minute i definitely can okay i plan to stay with
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and we have to go through each other to get these things.
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and not simply the ideas that we project onto them or react to.
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but the gateways to the very things that we want.
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My journey began with a very popular cell phone video
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because I think we've found some areas of agreement,
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but I'd like to see if we can find a path to each other
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to be able to really have meaningful conversations in the future
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I know you're smart enough to look at the world.
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We're going to start killing each other soon.
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So if you will hang on for another three minutes,
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we'll come back and see if we can find more roads towards each other.
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I think he's the first time we've ever had a slam poet on.
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I'm not even comfortable with you saying that term.
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because I don't really know what a slam poet is,
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this is the glenn beck program talking to theo ej wilson uh he did a ted talk called a black man
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goes undercover in the alt-right it's really interesting and he's with us now theo let me um
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let me say something that i think is risky for me to say um to my own audience um because it's it's kind
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of a heavy idea um and requires some some real um you know a lot of talk around it but i think you'll
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get it quickly um i have a in viewing the the history of america and in viewing where we are now
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i believe that uh abraham lincoln uh and the civil war the blood that was lost especially if you read
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his his um uh you know many of his words uh where he's talking about the if all the treasure
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and needs to be piled up and every drop of blood needs to be paid uh with a life then that's what
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we have to do um and i believe that we started to atone for um the spiritual wounds on both sides
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black and white uh for slavery uh for slavery but then we we never really we never sealed that deal
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uh spiritually we never then had a good conversation about it and forgave each other uh on everything or
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you know ask whites didn't ask for the the forgiveness of slavery as a nation um then we went
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right into reconstruction uh you know jim crow we had you know everything all the way to the civil uh
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civil rights movement um which i don't think we as a nation uh atoned for or or or got together
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with uh martin luther king we started down that road and just like abraham lincoln he was shot and i think
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a lot of people uh at that point went okay it's better we're not like that let's move on but we've
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never had the come together conversation and say okay this is what we did wrong this is where it fell
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apart this is what we did as a nation and and many white people are afraid of that um because
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of people that appear to be either a shakedown artist you know you want something in return uh or uh um
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or or or have a different agenda how do we get to a place to where we can have honest conversations
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real healing um deep spiritual conversations and and and come together without an agenda other than
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we just want to come together and be decent human beings to each other gotcha i think that's a
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profound question glenn uh governor george wallace before he became who he was in the eyes of history
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uh worked as an organizer trying to unite blacks and whites who were poor and had more in common
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with each other than they did with the ruling class similar to bacon's rebellion right wait what
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george wallace did this long time ago early early early early on early early on yes he did okay and
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what happened was and what happened was this the whites did not want to come together with the blacks who
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were open to it because of the fear of commingling and that once you live with each other
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you get to talking to each other and once you get to talking to each other you might find each other
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attractive and on the very end of that um comes you know what comes naturally to human beings yeah
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and and that i think that the fear of genetic annihilation is beneath all of the reasons why at least the white
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side won't talk black folks hang on just a second i think you're right if you're talking about the
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extreme right and the alt-right because that that i mean they're chanting that kind of stuff you know
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jews are going to become us and whatever but i don't think the average white person is where you know
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we're not worried about commingling i mean that's just i just don't think that's happening
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in the in the bulk of the population yeah okay when i mean you know also keep in mind when you know
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this uh this statement was made and what i think that what we've seen is that we have to ask ourselves
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this question it was asked in the mahabarata indian spiritual text and i think that it's profound
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when is peace not peace and arjuna answered when it is tyranny when it is tyranny and that there has
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been a silent tyranny of the white majorities suffered by the minorities of this country that
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they have not had the uh reason to even feel why would you feel it this everybody born is trying to
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make it white black brown arab you name it and so if you're focused on the things that are just
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you know in your daily life why why what what would give you the latitude to even entertain the pains
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of black and brown people and so what we're dealing with is these constant messengers being sent from our
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midst from medra evers to dr king himself and in his latter years even malcolm x and you begin to see that
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there has been this call to come together and that has been consistently answered with death
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and so we are traumatized by that and and what what i'm seeing in the the backlash of these police
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shootings is the reopening of a wound in the black community that will not be silenced by this new
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generation we don't understand this was so scared me the most yeah you know go ahead go ahead yeah this
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this this was the thing that opened my eyes the most and seared my soul the deepest about the alt-right
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when i was undercover how did after a civil rights movement that you mentioned how did after you know
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having michael jordan on everybody's wall and you know cosby before this craziness happened being america's
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dad and you know how did this reemerge when we were in jim crow it was logical to assume that if you
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didn't see your uncles hanging black folks if you didn't see your daddy lynching black folks and you
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wouldn't have that mentality and it baffles me how it came back how did it return after and a black
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president right you know what i mean and you know he was an imperfect man i ain't i ain't here to defend
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everything obama did i have issues with obama but with all of these representations how did it be
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resurged and that to me is probably the most damning thing about what i've seen despite the urges to come
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together okay so um we are gonna we're gonna can we continue a conversation and and and agree to
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just let's just put the cards out on the table and and and i can write a permission slip for every
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question i just know i i just i i i really would like to have this conversation but i don't want it
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to get nasty you know what i mean um i won't i won't i won't get nasty i'm i'm gonna stay here
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and i'm okay just you know because i think we're having i i'm i'm understanding you and and i hope
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you're understanding me and i think we're on the right track here um i think that there were um the the
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i think the average american the average white american um at least my age and below i can't
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speak for those who lived through the 1960s and remember dr king and everything else i grew up in
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seattle and i know that regionally it's very different um you know people who grew up in the
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south or much different than you know those who you know grew up in the pacific northwest um but
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uh the americans that i hang out with and i know that racism exists i've seen it um they don't have
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the same kind of thoughts that um you know america had in the 1960s we many of us were just kind of past it
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and um we felt as though when um the left uh started um under obama we felt as though uh okay
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now you're going to pay and uh and now you're going to pay yeah it felt it felt like um
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it felt like there was and i'm not necessarily saying this with president obama but with uh
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with people that somehow or another um if you were white or if you were um uh conservative
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all of a sudden the tables were flipped and we'll show you what it's like and oh wow and that's the
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way i think some people felt right or wrong i think that's the way some people felt and it was like
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wait i but i i don't i don't have a problem i don't have a problem um and they felt like well yes
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and we're being told this all the time yes you're white so you automatically are racist well no wait i'm
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human so yes i have a propensity uh of racism etc etc but so does everybody else let's talk about
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racism as a human disease not a white disease i felt like we were being pulled back into it's a
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white or a black thing it's not it's a human thing i definitely understand where you're coming from on
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that because um in certain instances if you looked at the optics why wouldn't you feel that way
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but i can tell you from the black community's perspective that scarcely have we ever more
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believed in in america and unity than when the election of barack obama took place i'm going to
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tell you right now that when you talk about who was most ready for post-racial america it was black folks
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we were more than ready we we the urge for revenge the urge for any kind of retribution
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was its lowest when he got elected in our community this is what i'm talking about this is this this is
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this is great and i would say um in the at least in my at least in my friend circle i can't speak for
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america um in my friend circle uh while i was agree i disagree with all of his policies i'm in a
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conservative constitutionalist so i disagreed with all of his policies um uh but i remember going on
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the air saying you know the day of the election this is a great day for america we have buried the
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past we have a chance now to say it's over and i just feel like we failed colossally on both sides
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well let's well let's if i could do a chronology of what got black folks's ire up
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number one it was the way that the tea party treated him when we saw pictures from the tea
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party rallies that had him painted as a monkey when we had him uh when people were making pictures of
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him in blackface um we were taken aback by that okay can i wait wait wait wait before you go on
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i anything that i was involved in i never saw that and i would have called that out and i think
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most of the tea party at least the ones that i was involved in we would have called that out in a
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second it's similar to the point i think you were making earlier uh theo about how people sometimes
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see black lives matter where they'll see the worst actors among a certain group you're chanting you
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know death to the pigs and we're like what right and i it's and you know i think part of what you
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talked about in in your ted talk kind of talk it talks about that in a in a broad sense and that
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like if you if you identify your enemies by their the worst among them um and you identify yourself
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uh only by your that's the lady yeah yeah we're in trouble it's really it's it's tough to ever get
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past anything so what was the second you said and the second thing was the second thing was
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trayvon without question um when when when we said because here here was the hope in a black president
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the hope in a black president was the hope that all black people have had since we were emancipated
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than before that we would have some kind of equal protection under the law yes and that all we want
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is for justice to be done and done institutionally so that we can relax and the way that we saw
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zimmerman behave afterward we knew that this guy was a madman the way that we saw white america rally
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around him and used the worst parts of trayvon to justify the killing as if george bush himself
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wasn't a wayward you you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah we then then it was like it's figured enough
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this if you can imagine like i just want to flip the script really quickly because if like if if you
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were outnumbered seven to one by black people in a nation where you were historically enslaved
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if you had memos issued from the fbi that let's say flip it because the fbi memo said that there
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was no i know mass infiltration of white folks uh who were racist into the police forces so if you
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were outnumbered seven to one had seen that black lives matter was infiltrating police forces all
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across the country would you feel safe and then on top of that see that there was the same uh echoes of
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in it till your version of it right so all that happened we you would be up in arms feel i think
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that i i hate to cut i'm so sorry i'm up against a network break ken would you come on with us uh again
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and continue this conversation we could pick it up from there i would love to continue this conversation
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with you no problem uh we'll schedule time and make it happen okay lea theo thank you so much
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you know i don't even know how that went i really don't know how that went and i would like to continue that
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conversation uh with him but uh it's a it was a challenging conversation um because it's out of your
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comfort zone and uh you know i i believe that at least once a week you have to get out of your comfort
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zone if we're going to solve this we have to be uncomfortable with some of the conversations
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that we're having or we're never going to grow out of this
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love courage truth glenn back finally some sleep
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stephen hadn't had much of it in the last few days he was just about to doze off and his
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daughter frantically ran into his room she said dad dad gunshots
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he got up and calmly walked to his safe and pulled out his rifle
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he counted the shots he heard as he loaded his gun time was slipping away
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his daughter had told him that they were coming from the nearby church he knew
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the people that went to that church and as he was counting those gunshots
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he knew each one of those shots represented somebody that was either hurt or dead
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stephen quickly without even putting his shoes on
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ran out the front and confronted the man with a black tactical gear
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he rushed for cover behind a pickup truck lifted his rifle and pulled the trigger
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he hit him shot didn't kill the attacker far from it
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the gunfire suddenly turned into a high-speed chase
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stephen thought to himself is this even real life
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he was afraid what they were going to find in that church
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they were chasing this maniac down the highway 95 miles an hour weaving in and out of traffic
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the whole time the police were on the phone with steven
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today steven is being hailed and applauded as a hero
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he is the same kind of guy of everybody i think a hero is he says exactly the same thing i'm no i'm not a hero
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i think my god my lord protected me and gave me the skills to do what i needed to do when it needed to be done
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somebody shared a quote with me from some highfalutin greek
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man doesn't rise to the level of his expectations
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he rises to the level of his knowledge and training
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and he was in the right place at the right time
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the group everybody says is the worst in the world
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the biggest mass church shooting in american history
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when you're going to be called to do something great
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you're listening to the glenn beck program welcome to the program uh mr uh pat gray yes
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that's it you got it hello pat how are you uh i'm good you uh well you don't really care you're just
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asking true i'm just making small talk just making small talk and uh i don't care yeah at all thank
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you at all you you you he said it again you just your only your only observation if i may your only
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observation on the ran paul thing is he mowed his own lawn yes i don't i don't care about the ribs
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i don't care about the neighbor i care about the fact that ran paul a u.s editor mowed his own lawn
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yeah i think that's pretty cool or something's wrong there i don't know something's a little bit
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off yeah there you go there now we're getting to the truth because i said i actually liked that i
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thought that was really cool and you said i did too but it doesn't make any sense it just doesn't
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add up why u.s senators don't mow their own lawn it just doesn't happen why not it doesn't happen
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and eye doctors don't mow their own lawn you both so come on now come on why maybe maybe he
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likes to mow his own lawn it's something it's not possible it might be something that he enjoys
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have you have you guys uh attempted to talk to him is he going to talk to anybody about this no he's
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not uh not doing any i guess he's like really in bad shape right now they they said he's in a lot
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of pain yeah they said potential broken jaw has been reported i don't know if that's actually
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broken jaw too that would be a big deal if that's three teeth knocked out oh my gosh so this was
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more than being tackled we were just talking about this pat it's it's gone from he had the wind knocks
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out of him wow to yesterday five ribs now it's five ribs three displaced fractures possibly a broken
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jaw and three teeth knocked out good heavens what happened something something that's really weird
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yeah this is not i mean that's a brutal attack that's an assault that the guy should be that's
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like felony style right didn't they charge him with a misdemeanor fourth degree fourth degree assault
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what do you have to do in kentucky to be first degree people in kentucky are just tough apparently
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like yeah wow there there is a possibility that they were fighting over who really owns the still
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in the backyard well it is kentucky it is kentucky i don't know yeah i mean the hatfields and mccoys
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they were from kentucky were they not i don't know i don't i don't really know either is he pissed
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about the gop tax bill i don't set him off i think that is it i mean he's a hardcore leftist yeah that's
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what i've heard and and you and the the idea that now it's all about grass clippings seems to be this
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guy's attempt to avoid federal crime which because if it's about politics it's a federal crime
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so you can't just assault a senator say it was grass clippings that was that's the rumor it's
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been a long yes a long standing feud about what he does don't beat the hell out of somebody over
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grass clippings i don't believe that now let me ask you this come on how would you think about the
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morals and ethics of planting bamboo on on a property i don't know where you got this story
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i'm not i don't know this story i'm not talking about glenn why why are you being defensive i'm
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talking i don't know where he's getting general moral and ethics question if you have a dispute
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with a with a neighbor and they don't like uh the the way that you're doing things with your let's
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say your dead trees in your backyard okay and uh and they they make a comment to you hey you know
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what we would like to have nature take its course so then maybe you would then plant some bamboo that
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spreads really don't know anybody who did that let nature take its course i don't know anybody who did
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that how would you feel about the morals and ethics of that i don't know anybody petty to me that seems
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yeah what it would be nature taking its course i'm just playing devil's advocate yes i know i can tell
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it's just really letting nature take its course did nature plant the bamboo or uh how did that work
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could have i don't know is it indigenous to connecticut it is in that area now is it
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oh you know that's the bad thing about bamboo once it starts to grow it just doesn't ever stop
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and you expect that in thailand but i don't know if you expect that in ukraine connecticut
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and where'd these panda bears come from what's going on here
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oh wow the other thing i uh i noticed last night on the tv show that you talked a lot about the thoughts
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and prayers mocking yes um i i think this is the fulfillment of one of the things you said that
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they're just going to they're just going to lay themselves bare yes and they're just going to come
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out and say it and that's what they're doing now they're just openly hostile to people of faith
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now and and i found it kind of interesting the you know the number of people and the kind of people
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that are doing this of course there's news people uh but you've also got the working families party
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so communists obviously communists are going to be uh usually atheists uh you've got keith
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olberman who's a socialist chelsea handler who's just despicable uh will wheaton from star trek
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i always hated him i wanted him sucked out of an airlock star trek i wanted him he was obnoxious
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he should have been sucked out instead he transformed into a higher being that certainly
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didn't happen to him in real life what a miserable piece of crap he's turned out to be yeah i mean
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that was love of course for all pieces of crap he apologized did he say sorry he did oh good he did
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okay well that's i mean sort of he apologized he's like i'm not talking about people with real faith
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i'm talking about paul ryan which essentially is apology oh okay which is i mean still pretty weak
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but you know the hollywood mocking i i love uh and some people have noticed that they were
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taking time out of their busy schedule raping each other uh to mock and lecture us uh on god which i
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i appreciate that a great deal it means a lot coming from them doesn't it though uh doesn't it really
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does well i think they have a good point they said no thoughts or prayers you keep your thoughts and
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prayers never i'm not thinking at all right now right well that's a that's a trend that they've been
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pointing out for a long time so no thoughts no prayers no prayers and quite honestly i agree
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with them uh that's why i just did a hashtag i just did a hashtag that's the most important thing
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you can possibly save our hashtag save our children or me neither yeah yeah like the me too thing i
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think the hashtag worked if you were to pray for the victims or think about the victims of sexual
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assault or get involved in some sort of a charity no you don't want to do for the victims you don't
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want to do that you don't want to hashtag it you want to hashtag me too but my hashtag turned out
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to be me neither i i was encouraging the me neither uh hashtag oh really yeah i guess nothing's ever
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yeah no one's ever been interested no no yeah that's right i i joined him on that one really
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it's just pat and i but we're like no nobody's ever really no he's ever tried
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my wife doesn't even try i've never i've you know i've never even misread it i mean it's like no
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they're very clear no not interested i got sort of confused because i was also on the me neither
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bandwagon because then i was hashtag me neither and hashtag me too because i was me too because i
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was in me neither yeah so i me too was in me neither and it got very confusing to the hashtag audience
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uh basically but at least you hashtag that's the important thing and and it's the hashtag that
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counts and someday they because of our efforts they may return our children which are not our
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children that's right right but they're other people's children exactly that have probably been
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slaughtered well as soon as but but they find out when they find out there's a hashtag oh they're
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gonna i'm pretty sure they will yeah they're gonna they're gonna return them boko haram was like look
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we we were gonna take these kids and then we realized you guys were hashtagging us and gave
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them back that was too much no thank you we don't want any of that there's a movie to be made there
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there really is your thoughts and prayers but not that not that no thank you pat pat gray unleashed
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you to find it can i ask you we have nbc on here uh and they're just doing uh you know fireman uh
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you know beefcake uh calendars fireman beefcake calendars yeah so uh they're fire firemen without
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their shirts on their shirts they seem to be in pretty good shape yeah and uh that's me five pounds
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my fat just goes between all of those like lines in their chest the line you don't even know what
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they are they're abs you don't even know whatever they are whatever they are mine aren't defined
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because i have just a line of fat just right it's a very thin one that just gets rid of all definition
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all and also expands into a much larger space that i think is i think i was stung by a bee but i'm not
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sure i'm not sure anyway i was the reason why i wanted to bring this up is in today's world
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imagine doing that on national television with women in lingerie and they're just holding puppies and
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and uh you know and and all the guys would be standing around going
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i'm interested in the puppy oh yeah i tell it's oh you only the only person who can do that of course
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is ellen degeneres who is it yes who is attracted to women but cannot ogle them as much as she wants
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right apparently ogling and making just an object out of men totally fine women no no no no no don't
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even no you can't even notice you can't don't you noticed my dress you know you said you i look nice
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how dare you next i know the next thing you know you're gonna be trying to hold the door open for me
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i mean this is you know why our kids are struggling because nothing makes sense how
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you think your head hurts you at least remember a time when things were consistent nothing in their
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life is consistent how are they how are they expected to navigate this world and to be happy
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in this world when there is no solid navigational compass points
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i want to talk to you about gold um i've talked about gold for a very long time
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uh and i uh that's what i said to one of the guys who you know i call from time to time and uh
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glenn when are you gonna when are you gonna say that everything's okay i said when i see the starfield
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rolling back my way when i start to see the world starting to make sense moving away from global war
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uh printing bogus fiat money uh stopping the spending spree that they're on
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uh and when terrorism you know starts to uh die down when i start to see that stuff okay
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but right now it's not going that direction in fact the world is starting to spin faster now towards
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chaos tonight at uh five o'clock we're gonna spend some time on saudi arabia and iran i know it's not a
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sexy thing maybe i'll get maybe we should get some firemen with their shirts off well you you i mean you
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were just saying you had really good definition underneath the fat maybe you could just just
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do the monologue without your shirt on i don't think i want to do that to the
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sign up at the blaze.com tv see if he does it or see if i don't uh it might be worth more if i don't
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i'm gonna promise you i won't and anyway um uh gold line uh is a place that i have talked to you
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about for a very long time and i buy gold as a as an insurance policy against financial calamity um
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i think and i'm you know i'm sorry but i think that the world is going over a cliff and it's getting
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faster and faster and faster and if you don't see it you probably never will see it but for those of
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you who do and you haven't called gold line just watch the show tonight at five o'clock let me
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did you see that harvey weinstein hired former massad agents to uh go after the victims and try to
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get information from them and figure out who was gonna who was gonna reveal information about him
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really is an incredible story basically he found out that these big stories about him and sexually
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assaulting all these women were going to come out in places like the new york times and others
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and so what he did was hire these high level security firms of former intelligence agents
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that did all sorts of stuff some of the stuff you'd expect maybe uh they were looking for dirt
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on the people uh that were accusing him uh they were he was looking for you know who were they
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with what did they do uh on social media what did what essentially what information could they get to
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use against them and with a dirtbag like harvey weinstein you'd kind of expect that but he went
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way beyond that spent hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars hiring these intelligence
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agents to pose as different people from um agencies like there was there was one woman
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who was a former uh intelligence agent who posed as someone from a like a venture capital firm in the
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uk they created a fake website for the venture capital firm and then this woman went up and
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approached rose mcgowan one of uh harvey weinstein's accusers the one who said she was raped she was raped
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met with her several times and posed as someone who wanted to do something about sexual assault there's too
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much of this stuff going on we need to um you know we need to stop this tell me your story like
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who have you talked to about this trying to get her to violate the terms of the agreement
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and to find out if she had violated it with anybody else right uh then went to uh people other
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journalists and posed as journalists and said look i've got this dirt on harvey weinstein i hear you're
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working on this same story who else have you talked to and tried to get the information that way
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then they use that information to go and target others to try to find uh weak points in their lives
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uh to try to push back against them uh an incredible one actress said i got a call from a journalist it
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turns out that they were working for this black cube this is a that's the massad agents um it scared me
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i hung up uh and ended the call because it was suspicious uh it scared me because i knew what it
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meant to be threatened by harvey i was a in fear of him finding me that's really this guy is so this
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is ronan farrow's reporting again he went back and showed the pictures of this woman to several of
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the people who he suspected uh they had contacted they all knew who she was and identified her from
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different organizations oh that's the woman from the venture capital company oh that's the woman who's
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the journalist like they all they all knew who she was and she was the same person going back and
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getting information from all these people individually i mean this guy spent a fortune
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to keep this story away from you and he succeeded for over a year i mean he actually was able to kill
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this thing for about a year using these uh these different methods eventually obviously it did not
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work out for him good by the way did i mention he's a big hillary clinton supporter i don't know if
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anyone knows that no i think um i think anthony wiener knows that oh okay yeah glenn back