The Glenn Beck Program - 12⧸13⧸17 - Conservationism at a crossroad？ (Jonah Goldberg & Luke Harding join Glenn)

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00:00:08.040 Love. Courage. Truth. Glenn Beck.

00:00:13.500 Doug Jones has 22,819 thank you cards to send this Christmas.

00:00:20.600 And Mitch McConnell has the same number of cards to send to say,

00:00:24.880 I'm sorry for putting you in this situation.

00:00:28.100 Jones won Alabama's special Senate election last night,

00:00:31.480 becoming the first Democratic senator from that state in 25 years.

00:00:36.600 This is huge. Donald Trump won Alabama in a landslide.

00:00:41.480 There is no one, virtually no one, that could have lost this election for the Republicans.

00:00:50.040 Doug Jones won because there were 22,000 Alabamians who used their votes to protest with write-in candidates.

00:00:57.240 Saying, I'm not willing to vote for the guy who is for abortion, and I'm not willing to vote for this guy.

00:01:03.600 22,000 people who have sent the message to the Republican Party, I'm done.

00:01:08.660 Now, somebody who wasn't embroiled in scandal, somebody who wasn't for abortion, would have won in a landslide.

00:01:21.740 A better Republican candidate than Roy Moore would have received all of those write-in votes, and a lot more.

00:01:27.140 In his victory speech last night, Doug Jones said,

00:01:30.600 This entire race has been about dignity and respect.

00:01:33.920 Which race were you watching?

00:01:36.240 Because the Alabama Senate race was only about the girls who you believed or didn't believe.

00:01:44.340 Their stories of abuse by Roy Moore 40 years ago.

00:01:47.880 That's what this campaign became about.

00:01:51.000 Roy Moore beat himself.

00:01:53.380 The White House helped him do it.

00:01:57.680 Steve Bannon is completely discredited today.

00:02:03.440 And I think Trump is in trouble.

00:02:05.880 This election was a unique, perfect storm of Moore's questionable past, coupled with the hashtag MeToo cultural momentum,

00:02:15.320 which cast enough doubt about Moore that many voters were conflicted.

00:02:19.140 And they weren't going to do it again.

00:02:23.540 This was a single-issue election in the end.

00:02:27.340 It was the issue of Moore's past.

00:02:30.900 And he didn't have enough or do enough to convince voters of his innocence.

00:02:35.700 In fact, because of his behavior in the last few weeks,

00:02:39.820 the people of Alabama apparently saw what some of us outside of Alabama saw.

00:02:45.340 I don't believe him.

00:02:46.660 Even if none of the Moore allegations had ever surfaced, he was never a good candidate.

00:02:52.100 The Republican Party is now at a crossroads.

00:02:55.140 What are you going to do?

00:02:56.960 Are you going to continue to support the candidates endorsed by Steve Bannon?

00:03:02.500 Or are you going to aim higher?

00:03:04.560 Because what we had was a choice between Mitch McConnell or Steve Bannon.

00:03:14.180 And instead, because Republicans don't want either of those choices, what do we have?

00:03:22.180 We have Doug Jones winning in a state where Republicans should have won when a landslide.

00:03:27.180 Now, I guess we could look at this as a victory and a gift to the Republican Party.

00:03:33.780 A blessing in disguise.

00:03:35.360 The only question is whether the party is smart enough to see it that way.

00:03:39.640 Now, they won't have to deal with the added drama of whether or not to expel Roy Moore from the Senate.

00:03:44.560 This is an opportunity to take stock and reset.

00:03:47.900 To understand what went wrong.

00:03:50.000 And why they should actually be thankful it did go wrong.

00:03:55.000 If they will realize.

00:03:57.580 If they will realize what they've done.

00:04:01.800 Maybe things will change.

00:04:04.620 To realize they don't want to be a party of either Mitch McConnell or Steve Bannon.

00:04:10.900 And to remember, finally, that character and principles do matter.

00:04:20.000 It's Wednesday, December 13th.

00:04:28.380 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:04:34.180 So glad you tuned in today.

00:04:37.480 I don't know how to feel today.

00:04:40.480 I don't know how to feel.

00:04:41.700 Because it wasn't a win.

00:04:44.640 You know.

00:04:44.980 It wasn't.

00:04:45.480 I mean, if you don't like.

00:04:48.500 Certainly not a win.

00:04:49.320 No.

00:04:49.860 If you don't like Roy Moore.

00:04:53.080 You know.

00:04:54.400 Let me just be real honest with you.

00:04:59.580 I am torn in half.

00:05:03.040 Half of me.

00:05:04.320 I'm glad.

00:05:05.120 I am so proud of Alabama.

00:05:10.520 That there were enough people with all of the excuses that could have been made of.

00:05:16.300 Look, it was a different time 40 years ago.

00:05:18.720 And all, quite honestly, legitimate.

00:05:21.880 Gloria Allred.

00:05:23.180 And they faked that.

00:05:24.360 All of these things.

00:05:26.260 You could have legitimately said if you were from Alabama and you lived there the whole time.

00:05:31.240 You could have legitimately said, you know what?

00:05:33.460 I'm not sure.

00:05:34.720 For all of the distrust of the press.

00:05:40.920 And all of the desire to just pound the press into gravel.

00:05:49.160 Just push their face into the gravel.

00:05:51.220 For all of the anger at the GOP.

00:05:58.380 All of those things should have come into play.

00:06:03.720 And I think they did.

00:06:05.160 And yet, the people of Alabama, they said, you know what?

00:06:13.560 I just, I've got a daughter.

00:06:15.940 I can't, how do I, how do I do, how do I do this?

00:06:21.520 I have a daughter.

00:06:24.640 And 22,000 people, that's a lot.

00:06:27.480 22,000 Republicans said, I can't vote for the guy who's an abortion guy.

00:06:32.880 Can't.

00:06:33.320 But I am not going to go down this rabbit hole any further.

00:06:40.820 So I am, I'm really torn because we got a guy now who is for abortion, you know, anytime.

00:06:49.440 As long as that head is in the birth canal, you can kill it.

00:06:53.420 The minute that head is out, it's a baby and he's there to protect.

00:06:56.600 Oh, well, how big of you?

00:06:59.420 That's not good.

00:07:00.380 So I'm really torn today.

00:07:04.240 How do you feel?

00:07:05.940 Well, I mean, I think the clearest headline is that the people of Alabama looked at the situation and they just didn't believe that that one Roy Moore lawyer was sufficiently Jewish.

00:07:18.300 I think they're going to look back at this and maybe discover that they were wrong on that because, I mean, I think it's a serious point.

00:07:26.220 You know, look at this and what's the truth here?

00:07:28.740 You know, there are a lot of things to discuss, but the fundamental thing you should take away from this is Steve Bannon doesn't care about Roy Moore.

00:07:40.840 Steve Bannon doesn't care about the Alabama Senate seat.

00:07:43.900 Steve Bannon doesn't care about the Senate.

00:07:46.240 Steve Bannon doesn't care about Donald Trump.

00:07:48.600 Steve Bannon cares about Steve freaking Bannon, period.

00:07:51.800 And he came out there and against every single instinct, because you can say, I don't want Luther Strange.

00:07:59.240 He's an establishment guy.

00:08:00.540 You didn't need to take him.

00:08:02.460 You had a really good conservative, a guy with a master's in economics, a guy who spent the previous months leading up to this election rescuing people in a mass shooting.

00:08:15.340 You had a candidate and what did they do?

00:08:19.240 They went with this other guy who was a huge problem, who in previous elections was squeaking out wins in Alabama.

00:08:27.600 He won 52 to 48 last time he ran.

00:08:30.980 And so now you bring this guy out there, you roll them out there against Trump, what Trump wanted, against what any, I think, rational conservative wanted.

00:08:41.140 Sean Hannity endorsed Mo Brooks.

00:08:44.700 Every single part of this was about Steve Bannon and his ego and his power.

00:08:50.180 And so he came out and he brought this to you.

00:08:54.680 Remember who brought this to you.

00:08:57.220 Steve Bannon brought this to you.

00:08:59.580 And Breitbart and now they're going to all say, oh, you know, it was the Republican saboteurs were the ones who ruined this for Roy Moore.

00:09:08.180 Well, yeah, but if that's you, that's you, that's Breitbart, that's Steve Bannon.

00:09:12.540 If you want someone who sabotaged this election, it's them.

00:09:15.140 OK, so here's the thing that you really need to know.

00:09:17.080 If you were if you were somebody who was in the Tea Party and you believe in small government and everything else, all the things that we march for this,

00:09:26.800 this this one race explains the the way we are the way we've been lied to.

00:09:35.660 OK, you had Luther Strange.

00:09:39.100 Now, who's Luther Strange in the primary of Luther Strange?

00:09:43.020 Luther Strange is a guy that everybody in the Republican Party wanted.

00:09:47.420 They all wanted him.

00:09:48.940 Donald Trump wanted him.

00:09:50.880 Mitch McConnell wanted him.

00:09:52.380 You want to drain the swamp?

00:09:53.620 You don't send Luther Strange there.

00:09:56.400 You don't send him.

00:09:57.500 But he was voting 100 percent with Donald Trump, right?

00:10:01.840 So Donald Trump didn't want that, you know, swamp to be drained.

00:10:05.600 He liked that.

00:10:06.440 And that's why he endorsed him.

00:10:08.020 So so you're Mitch McConnell.

00:10:10.660 Mitch McConnell wants Luther Strange.

00:10:15.220 Who does he not want?

00:10:18.000 You can take all of your money and you can take all of your power and all of your clout and you can put it behind Luther Strange.

00:10:24.680 Or you can take it and you can put it against someone else.

00:10:28.320 And so what do they do?

00:10:29.300 They take it and take out the guy who is the constitutionalist, who is the small government guy.

00:10:39.160 You take out the real reformer, the reformer that is based on the Constitution.

00:10:46.060 The guy who is straight up a good guy has been performing really, really well.

00:10:51.380 And as Stu pointed out, was saving lives.

00:10:55.060 OK, you couldn't get this is Mr.

00:10:57.760 Smith goes to Washington and you just sent Jimmy Stewart packing.

00:11:01.800 And why?

00:11:04.000 Because the establishment.

00:11:07.740 Wanted the establishment pick.

00:11:09.960 And so Mitch McConnell destroys more Mo Brooks, just destroys him.

00:11:16.840 Donald Trump is right there on the same train because he doesn't like the small government constitutionalist either.

00:11:26.660 So what happens?

00:11:28.300 The people in Alabama go, I don't want that guy because I know what that guy is.

00:11:33.300 That guy is a Mitch McConnell crony.

00:11:36.200 This is the same kind of guy we're trying to get out.

00:11:38.460 We're going to pick him and send another one in.

00:11:40.980 We want the the swamp drained.

00:11:44.660 And so who's left?

00:11:46.880 The guy who rides in on a horse.

00:11:51.520 Now, with everything that Roy Moore had going for him, he also had some pretty heavy baggage.

00:12:01.240 And that's before the Washington Post.

00:12:04.060 So, by default, because of Mitch McConnell and Steve Bannon, you are sitting here in this situation.

00:12:20.800 This should tell you, and I hope that there's somebody in Washington who is hearing this message.

00:12:30.960 The American people want the swamp drained.

00:12:33.940 And they don't trust Mitch McConnell.

00:12:36.900 And thank God, they no longer trust people like Steve Bannon.

00:12:43.640 They no longer will put up with, you know, just the cries of the press.

00:12:51.080 Oh, the press is evil.

00:12:52.560 The press is, you know, fake news, fake news, fake news.

00:12:55.500 You know what?

00:12:56.600 Yeah, there is fake news.

00:12:57.940 But not all of it is fake news.

00:13:00.280 And I'm not writing that into the gates of hell.

00:13:05.000 This was a really good sign of the Republic had a, you know, all of a sudden our EKG machine started to beep, beep.

00:13:16.920 We started seeing some signs of life again.

00:13:19.540 This was a good night for the Republic, if my analysis is correct, that we want change.

00:13:35.620 We do not want the establishment change.

00:13:39.500 We are still more pissed at Mitch McConnell than we've ever been.

00:13:44.460 We want those guys out of there.

00:13:49.540 We are no longer going to put up with the, you know, the distractions.

00:13:55.700 We're not imbeciles.

00:14:00.780 We want somebody just to do the right thing.

00:14:04.480 I think that is a really good sign.

00:14:07.060 I think that's a really good sign.

00:14:09.600 Unfortunately, it has come at a high price of now.

00:14:15.480 What?

00:14:16.880 Having a guy in who is not going to be helpful in the Senate.

00:14:21.140 No.

00:14:21.380 I mean, lessons often do come at a high price.

00:14:23.160 Yes.

00:14:23.460 You know, and I think, you know, this is a mistake made long before, long before Roy Moore was accused of what he was accused of.

00:14:31.840 Yes.

00:14:32.060 I mean, certainly he would have won without those accusations, but that was the risk he ran with running him as a candidate.

00:14:38.220 And, you know, a Democrat winning in Alabama is like Ronald Reagan in the 80s going over and winning the mayorship of Moscow.

00:14:45.420 It's like it makes no sense.

00:14:47.220 It's almost impossible to blow it.

00:14:52.120 And yet, Steve Bannon, Mitch McConnell for trashing Mo Brooks in the primary, both of them, they were capable of doing something that most people thought was unthinkable, blowing the Alabama Senate seat.

00:15:06.880 Donald Trump picked Sessions because he knew it was easy to replace Sessions with a Republican because he had 60 percent approval rating.

00:15:18.000 He won.

00:15:19.080 He walked away with that state.

00:15:20.460 But I'm telling you, I really think the American people, this is a really good thing, are done with the lies.

00:15:30.340 They're done with the covering up for somebody who you're like, you know what, I think he did it.

00:15:37.360 They don't want any more of that.

00:15:39.700 They don't want any more scandal.

00:15:41.280 They don't want any more trouble.

00:15:42.800 They just want people to go in and do their damn job.

00:15:46.860 That's the message that I got from Alabama last night.

00:15:59.080 You mean along with the idea that the lawyer was not sufficiently Jewish because I think.

00:16:03.980 Well, no, no, they, you know, Roy Moore has not conceded yet.

00:16:09.600 He's going to contest this.

00:16:12.080 He's going to meet with his lawyers as soon as Hanukkah is over.

00:16:15.000 So that's right.

00:16:17.000 He can't even they can't even address this right now.

00:16:19.060 He can't address it.

00:16:19.740 His attorney is celebrating Hanukkah.

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00:17:50.520 Glenn Beck.

00:17:57.580 You know, Thomas Jefferson said, trust the people.

00:18:05.220 They'll eventually get it right.

00:18:08.680 Winston Churchill said, I love Americans.

00:18:11.720 They will always do the right thing.

00:18:13.220 But only after they have exhausted every other possibility.

00:18:18.960 Was the right thing done?

00:18:21.160 Is this trust the people?

00:18:23.400 They'll eventually get it and they'll do it?

00:18:26.180 Is that what happened last night?

00:18:28.500 I don't know.

00:18:29.240 Because, I mean, it's not like they selected a good candidate to be a senator.

00:18:32.860 No.

00:18:33.440 They had a limited choice there, obviously.

00:18:36.040 But this is not a good outcome, as you pointed out.

00:18:38.740 No, it's not.

00:18:38.840 It's a very bad outcome.

00:18:40.400 It's an outcome that was completely avoidable.

00:18:42.660 But I think it's a better outcome for the long term, for the conservative movement.

00:18:49.680 I think it's a better outcome.

00:18:51.080 Otherwise, today, we'd be answering questions of, you know, how come conservatives and Christians

00:18:56.000 will just vote for this guy?

00:18:57.380 Yeah, no, it's true.

00:18:58.020 I mean, so it's a good outcome for the long term because this guy, you know, Jones, can

00:19:04.100 be replaced.

00:19:05.020 And if you put a good candidate up against him, he should be able to win.

00:19:08.400 We said this yesterday.

00:19:09.560 We shouldn't overstate the importance of this election.

00:19:12.340 It really is.

00:19:13.680 What's going to happen here is you have one more Democrat with a Republican majority for

00:19:17.900 two years.

00:19:18.700 And then there's going to be another election there.

00:19:20.080 It's not the end of the world.

00:19:22.200 It's not good.

00:19:23.540 But I mean, the people are like, oh, well, now all these babies are going to get aborted.

00:19:27.360 Abortion's already legal.

00:19:28.240 I hate to break this to you.

00:19:29.480 And he's not going to change that.

00:19:31.880 It's not going to change that.

00:19:33.280 Roy Moore was not the key to that vote.

00:19:34.880 Sadly, I wish he was, because if he was, it would have been a lot easier.

00:19:37.540 You know, you would have overlooked almost anything.

00:19:39.240 Yeah.

00:19:39.760 The issue here, though, is there's a there's a struggle here between two really bad choices.

00:19:45.560 And I think you're right.

00:19:46.560 Roy Moore, there's a long term risk with Roy Moore that it could be very negative.

00:19:50.020 For the downside of a couple of years of one out of 100 votes.

00:19:54.420 And, you know, so in 2020, you can run Mo Brooks and have a good senator that, you know,

00:20:00.780 you can you can rectify that choice in just two years.

00:20:03.640 So that's a positive for Alabama.

00:20:05.640 And or you can run somebody else who would be a good choice.

00:20:08.400 So what does this mean for the conservative movement?

00:20:10.940 What does this mean going forward?

00:20:12.660 What does this mean for Donald Trump?

00:20:14.840 Jonah Goldberg joins us next.

00:20:24.320 Glenn Beck.

00:20:25.440 This is the Glenn Beck program.

00:20:35.900 It was an interesting night and bad because we have a Democrat in the Senate.

00:20:47.440 Good, because I think it's it has given the Republicans a chance to redeem themselves,

00:20:53.260 which I think is really important for the conservative movement moving forward.

00:20:57.540 I mean, we were facing a situation.

00:21:02.600 Any Republican should have won Alabama.

00:21:06.100 Any Republican.

00:21:07.240 Mel Carnahan could have won yesterday.

00:21:10.720 Yeah, I know he's dead.

00:21:13.240 And also not a Republican.

00:21:15.200 No, he was.

00:21:16.620 Yeah, he's he's dead.

00:21:19.040 Yes.

00:21:19.640 Anyone dead could have won yesterday against a Democrat in Alabama.

00:21:28.540 But that obviously didn't happen because you have Roy Moore and Kermit Gosnell could have beaten Roy Moore.

00:21:37.960 So we have an interesting situation and possibly a chance to breathe new life into the movement.

00:21:45.060 Jonah Goldberg is here, senior editor, National Review.

00:21:48.680 How are you doing, Jonah?

00:21:50.200 Dr. Beck.

00:21:51.240 Good to be back.

00:21:52.300 Good to speak to you, sir.

00:21:54.620 And thank you for addressing me as a doctor.

00:21:56.920 I appreciate that.

00:21:58.780 You know, you know, in Germany, in German, if you have more than one doctorate, you get called Dr. Doctor.

00:22:04.660 So, you know, if you get it, if you get another doctorate, you know, I'll call you Dr. Dr. Beck.

00:22:10.280 OK, well, I don't think there's a there's a real chance of me getting a second doctorate.

00:22:14.960 But, you know, hey, I'm still young.

00:22:17.340 So, Jonah, how did you feel last night and how do you feel this morning?

00:22:22.480 Well, you know, I was very happy about it all last night.

00:22:27.220 But mostly for base and and and un-mensch-like reasons.

00:22:34.180 I was wallowing like I should have brought out like one of those inflatable kiddie pools.

00:22:41.060 Hello.

00:22:42.480 Did we lose him?

00:22:44.360 Hmm.

00:22:44.960 It does seem like he dropped off.

00:22:46.740 Yeah, we were getting to a good Jonah Goldberg line, too.

00:22:48.880 It was involving a kiddie pool.

00:22:50.080 I guess that's kind of how I felt last night.

00:22:55.060 I was.

00:22:55.780 Yeah, I don't think I.

00:22:56.780 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:22:57.600 I would like to hear his explanation of that, because I mean, because there is that level of there are a lot of people who said they were a lot smarter than everyone else who told you that Roy Moore was the right guy.

00:23:10.480 And he wasn't.

00:23:11.400 I think quite clearly we now know that.

00:23:13.560 That being said, it's a really bad outcome.

00:23:15.980 I mean, there's no there was not a good outcome.

00:23:17.880 I don't think happiness was possible watching that last night.

00:23:21.140 There was a bad candidate running against a bad candidate.

00:23:23.960 And, you know, I don't think there was a positive outcome that makes you happy after.

00:23:28.440 And we lost Jonah.

00:23:29.620 He's back now.

00:23:30.440 You said you were thinking about getting a kiddie pool.

00:23:33.680 Yeah, getting a kiddie pool and filling it up with schadenfreude because I was wallowing in the misfortune of Steve Bannon, who I think is easily the most overrated, you know,

00:23:46.920 political strategist, then golly mastermind in my lifetime.

00:23:52.300 Yeah.

00:23:53.980 Horrible.

00:23:54.700 I mean, literally, literally a monkey throwing darts at lists of names would have a better winning track record than Steve Bannon has had in the last year and a half picking challengers to incumbent Republicans.

00:24:10.160 And yet he still has this bizarre Jedi like hold over a lot of people as somehow brilliant because he can quote Cicero or something.

00:24:20.420 And I don't get it.

00:24:21.820 Yeah, I you think this is this is discredited him enough.

00:24:27.040 Well, let me ask you this.

00:24:28.200 I think what happened, Mitch McConnell wanted Luther Strange.

00:24:32.600 The people of Alabama did not want Mitch McConnell's pick.

00:24:36.020 They didn't want Mitch McConnell.

00:24:38.640 And then Steve Bannon comes in and does, you know, tries to do, you know, the whole just deny it and just keep rolling and people won't care and just keep, you know, bashing fake news.

00:24:50.360 And I think people I think it was a turning point.

00:24:53.680 People were like, you know what?

00:24:54.640 I'll accept some of that, but not all of that.

00:24:58.000 No, I think I think that's right.

00:25:00.080 And it's worth remembering that Bannon didn't have anything to do with orchestrating Roy Moore's win in the primary.

00:25:07.040 He just parachuted in and took credit for it.

00:25:10.540 You know, there's this long held rule of thumb among rainmakers on K Street, you know, these consultants.

00:25:17.240 And the rule is when it rains, dance.

00:25:20.580 Right.

00:25:21.020 That way you can take credit for something that you had nothing to do with.

00:25:25.260 So he wanted of all the things that he wanted credit for was Roy Moore.

00:25:28.540 And we'll give him credit.

00:25:30.120 Good luck with that.

00:25:32.180 But, you know, more broadly, I think the results can be wildly overread.

00:25:38.960 You know, I listened to the head of the DNC this morning, Tom Perez, on a bunch of different networks, and they're talking about how the Doug, you know, the Doug Jones coalition in Alabama is something that can be replicated elsewhere.

00:25:54.080 No, it can't.

00:25:54.960 You know, it just can't.

00:25:56.420 This is a unique situation, and it wasn't that the coalition, I mean, it was impressive African-American turnout, but the most impressive thing and the real decisive thing was just the number of Republicans and conservatives who stayed home or wrote in someone other than either of those guys.

00:26:12.860 And I think I find that encouraging.

00:26:15.900 I think we get and it sucks to lose a Senate seat.

00:26:19.220 You know, I actually want Trump's, you know, I want the tax bill, at least the version of it, I hope that comes out of all this.

00:26:25.540 I want that to pass.

00:26:27.180 And there's a lot of important things that the Senate could do, and it stinks to lose a Senate seat.

00:26:32.580 But the decision to throw away that Senate seat was made six to 12 months ago.

00:26:38.580 And to blame, you know, people now for saying, oh, you know, you know, for people, to blame people who had a moral objection to someone who was credibly accused of preying on teenage girls,

00:26:50.560 for a guy who had a sumless grasp of the Constitution while claiming to be its foremost champion, for a guy who was essentially a bigot and a crackpot,

00:27:02.040 to say that somehow you're not principled or you're not a team player if you have a problem with this guy is ridiculous.

00:27:09.560 You put up a monster and then expect people to fall in line, you're going to get this kind of situation.

00:27:15.540 At the same time, the omens are really bad for the GOP going into 2018.

00:27:22.280 The Virginia results were much more, I would be much more terrified reading those tea leaves than the Alabama tea leaves.

00:27:28.940 But the most important number coming out of Alabama is only 48% of Alabamians approve of Donald Trump.

00:27:40.220 You know, a Republican president in Alabama should be polling at like 65%.

00:27:45.080 And that, I think, is a real omen that we could be seeing a wave coming that could flip the House.

00:27:52.940 And I think the Senate is a bridge too far, but it could, you know, but possibly flip the Senate.

00:27:58.420 So, Jonah, does this give an omen of a couple of things?

00:28:06.120 One, possibly Donald Trump going to be in trouble.

00:28:11.940 You know, the Democrats are going to use all of the women and the accusations against him.

00:28:17.980 And it seems to me that even the Republicans are now saying, you know what, I don't want anything to do with this.

00:28:24.940 At least there's a number of them, enough to really cause problems.

00:28:30.240 Does this make the case against Donald Trump stronger?

00:28:35.000 And, at the same time, does this make the conservatives' case of standing up for women and not being dirtbags, does it make us stronger?

00:28:44.360 I think yes and no.

00:28:48.580 I mean, look, first of all, like people are giving, you know, the Democrats a hard time for so cynically forcing out Al Franken.

00:28:56.940 Who I have to, you know, it would take a heart of stone not to laugh at what's going on with Al Franken.

00:29:04.360 This guy resigned solely so they could tee up the Roy Moore as the Medusa's head of the Republican Party.

00:29:12.740 You know, this horrible, evil creature that the Republicans embrace in their heart.

00:29:16.940 And then the guy doesn't win.

00:29:18.520 And so Al Franken's just sort of left standing out there at the bus stop like, you know, what do I do now?

00:29:23.960 But, you know, look, I mean, the Democrats, I think, threw Franken under the bus purely for, not purely, but almost purely for cynical partisan reasons that they wanted to set up this argument against Trump and Roy Moore.

00:29:40.880 And fine, it's fine to point that out, but it's also worth sort of celebrating that because the political incentives in a healthy country are supposed to force politicians to do the right thing.

00:29:54.400 And, you know, this has always been, you know, a point I've been trying to make to conservatives for 20 years now, which is that the point of the conservative movement has never been to get, you know, people with R's after their name elected.

00:30:07.260 The point of the conservative movement is to change attitudes and values in this country to the point where craven political creatures of both parties see it as being in their own political self-interest to do the more conservative thing.

00:30:22.000 And, or just to do the right thing.

00:30:25.620 And so, yeah, the Democrats were being cynical about all this.

00:30:28.740 I think the Republicans are in an interesting spot.

00:30:33.080 The Me Too stuff, the women's stuff, is a little harder for the Democrats to use because they were really counting on Roy Moore.

00:30:41.680 And so this gives, I think, a little bit of a breather for Republicans to, you know, get their bearings.

00:30:51.140 I also just think that it gives the Republicans a chance.

00:30:53.740 You know, one of the things that is so messed up and dysfunctional in our politics is that Trump, Republican, elected Republicans act as if Trump is an incredibly powerful president.

00:31:05.500 But by almost any historical metric, Trump is a remarkably weak president.

00:31:13.100 The problem is he has great strength over a statistically significant slice of the primary electorate.

00:31:21.540 And that makes these guys terrified.

00:31:23.680 And so you get this sort of weird situation where a lot of Republicans feel that they have to say nice things about Trump, but they can vote any way they want.

00:31:38.200 You know, I mean, this is one of the things that drives me crazy right now is the incentive structure is to have almost no party discipline when it comes to how you vote.

00:31:47.340 But absolute discipline about how you praise the leader and, you know, the fantastic wheat harvests he's going to deliver.

00:31:55.720 But doesn't this change now because Luther Strange didn't get in and Trump was for him and then Trump tried to go in and help Roy Moore pull off a miracle here?

00:32:07.540 I mean, doesn't that change?

00:32:08.580 He doesn't have if he if he could cast a spell, he should have cast it in Alabama.

00:32:14.600 And that's the one place it would have it would have taken.

00:32:19.360 No, I think that's right.

00:32:20.600 I think this points to something that I wish Republicans could think more clearly about.

00:32:24.740 There is no such thing as Trumpism without Trump.

00:32:29.860 Yes.

00:32:30.300 You know, Bannon keeps trying to make fetch happen and it doesn't work.

00:32:34.160 He keeps trying to make it as if there is this Trumpist nationalist movement out there when at best it's a little rump of a movement.

00:32:41.480 And every time he tries to put up these sort of Trumpist candidates to sort of replicate the Trump model, they fail spectacularly.

00:32:50.680 And so and the thing is, is that so there is only Trumpism with Trump, but Trumpism isn't an ideological thing when it comes to Trump.

00:33:00.820 It's a personality thing.

00:33:02.220 It's a it's a cult of personality because you there is no ideological coherence to what what Trump's own version of Trumpism is.

00:33:11.740 He changes on a dime all of the time because for him, it's about ego and narcissism and and and his personal glory.

00:33:18.520 He doesn't care about the details of legislation.

00:33:20.740 And so what would be great is if Republicans, particularly in the House, understood that that their agenda, they should work, worry about what their what is what their agenda is, regardless of Trump.

00:33:36.600 Because Trump will declare anything that they do a victory anyway.

00:33:39.920 Yes.

00:33:40.940 And just sign anything.

00:33:42.460 And just make the best legislation you can, consistent with conservative principles that help you get get reelected.

00:33:49.000 Yes.

00:33:49.320 And stop sweating about Trump's tweets and the rest, because they're they're they're they're, you know, St. Elmo's fire.

00:33:56.280 They go they flare up and they disappear within six minutes in this weird news cycle that we're in.

00:34:01.780 Jonah Goldberg from National Review Online.

00:34:04.520 Thank you so much.

00:34:06.060 Hey, great to be back.

00:34:06.740 Thanks, guys.

00:34:07.100 Of course, we're Jonah on National Review dot com at Jonah NRO on Twitter.

00:34:17.680 And he's got a new podcast out as well.

00:34:19.360 You should check out.

00:34:21.220 He is really smart, really.

00:34:22.680 And he is he is the guy that I credit for putting me on to the progressive movement.

00:34:28.900 His dad fought against progressives for a very long time.

00:34:32.320 And and he wrote liberal fascism.

00:34:35.920 And that was the book that I really started to really dig in and go, wait, wait, wait.

00:34:39.760 I didn't know any of this.

00:34:41.740 You've not.

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00:34:43.520 Yeah, it's a must read.

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00:36:19.800 Vladimir Putin and what he has done and what he hopes to do to America coming up next hour.

00:36:29.480 You do not want to miss it.

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00:37:14.020 A day like today, it's easy to remember that, hey, you know, there's more important things than politics.

00:37:20.220 It's, you know, this is where this is going to flare up and go away.

00:37:23.060 But the holidays are here and that's much more important.

00:37:25.420 Right.

00:37:25.840 Like thing important.

00:37:26.800 Like, like what's Bitcoin up to?

00:37:28.420 Oh, that's a good point.

00:37:29.080 Let me check.

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00:38:42.940 Merriam-Webster has announced their 2017 Word of the Year, and that word is feminism.

00:38:48.040 The dictionary defines feminism as the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes and the organized activity in support of women's rights and interests.

00:39:01.720 But I'm not sure that that is the accurate definition.

00:39:05.600 In fact, Merriam-Webster, I do not think that word means what you think it means.

00:39:11.060 Here's how I would define feminism today in America.

00:39:15.200 Leftist activism that is fueled by perpetuating the victimization of women.

00:39:21.160 The feminist movement has never been concerned with actually achieving equality between the sexes.

00:39:28.580 Now, that's not to say there aren't those who claim to be feminists who do believe that as an individual.

00:39:33.380 But the organizations don't.

00:39:36.960 They are not even concerned with the equality of women.

00:39:40.060 The activists who label themselves feminists don't seem to care about the baby girls who are aborted every year.

00:39:45.900 They only care about their mothers.

00:39:47.300 Well, that could lead you to draw to the conclusion that it's because moms can vote and babies can't.

00:39:55.420 Like it or not, feminism herds women into a voting block that can be manipulated by the left.

00:40:02.140 It treats women as a group to be conquered, not as unique individuals.

00:40:08.080 Feminism has always been a collective movement.

00:40:12.300 I don't believe in collectivism.

00:40:14.140 I believe in the power of the individual.

00:40:15.660 If you're in a collective movement, you have to believe that you are an inherent victim.

00:40:22.020 You're incapable of changing your life and your circumstance without politics and marching outside together with something or someone.

00:40:32.040 Women don't need to be empowered.

00:40:34.980 You don't need to be empowered.

00:40:37.180 You already have all the power you need to determine your future.

00:40:41.880 They certainly don't need a feminist to fight their battles for them.

00:40:48.340 It's Wednesday, December 13th.

00:41:01.740 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:41:03.660 There is a book that I've read that I think is an absolute must read.

00:41:13.760 In fact, I had everybody on my staff.

00:41:15.360 I've kind of assigned it to everyone.

00:41:17.880 And everyone says the same thing.

00:41:20.340 The title turns them off and they think they know what this book is.

00:41:24.140 Well, you don't judge a book by its cover.

00:41:28.360 There is a book called Collusion and it's by Luke Harding.

00:41:31.840 He is the author of the Snowden Files.

00:41:34.560 He is also with the Guardian.

00:41:36.100 And he has written a terrifying look at what is really going on with Russia and the United States.

00:41:45.980 And it is a bipartisan problem.

00:41:50.360 This is something that no one is really paying attention to.

00:41:54.520 And Putin is winning and he's tearing us apart.

00:41:58.740 And when you see who he really is and what they are willing to do,

00:42:04.520 and then you see who's involved with them here in America,

00:42:10.100 it is a terrifying look that we better pay attention to and stop playing partisan politics around.

00:42:16.940 Luke Harding, welcome to the program.

00:42:18.420 How are you, sir?

00:42:19.900 Thank you, Glenn.

00:42:20.620 Great to be with you.

00:42:21.660 So let's start with Putin.

00:42:27.320 You know, it's a known fact this is the largest foreign intelligence influence operation in the history of our country.

00:42:35.960 Nobody's really kind of paying attention to that.

00:42:40.220 That is stunning and shocking and should take everybody's breath away.

00:42:44.580 However, we diminish it for a couple of reasons.

00:42:48.080 We don't want to look at it or we will say, well, he just disliked Hillary Clinton or it's the release of the Panama Papers.

00:42:58.780 He's fighting to correct what he believes was the error of the Cold War.

00:43:04.980 Is he not?

00:43:07.600 Yeah.

00:43:08.320 I mean, I think Putin basically thinks that it is the Cold War still, or if you like, it's kind of Cold War, too.

00:43:15.120 That obviously the Soviet Union collapsed and with it communism in the early 1990s.

00:43:22.560 I mean, Putin famously described this as the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.

00:43:28.540 And he regards the 1990s when America was dominant, was a kind of unrivaled superpower on the world stage and Russia was weak as a period of national humiliation.

00:43:40.000 And really, since he became president in 2000, 17 years ago, he's been seeking to kind of reverse that to make Russia a force on the international stage and equal to the United States.

00:43:56.300 And even though, let's face it, the Russian economy is no match for America's and actually, in many respects, it's falling apart.

00:44:06.180 But this is a project.

00:44:07.460 It's an ultra-nationalist project.

00:44:08.880 And the thing you have to understand about Putin is he's a zero-sum guy.

00:44:13.460 He really thinks that what is bad is America, bad for America, is what's good for Russia.

00:44:18.780 It's as simple as that.

00:44:19.600 He is, you know, it's interesting to me that in 1999, Osama bin Laden said, what I did to Russia, I will do to the United States, or what I did to the Soviet Union, I will do to the United States.

00:44:29.280 He took credit for the collapse of the Soviet Union.

00:44:33.240 And I remember thinking, boy, that's pretty arrogant.

00:44:35.840 And yet, here we are repeating it just in reverse much of what happened, and we are blind to it.

00:44:44.120 You know, the Pope, Margaret Thatcher, and Ronald Reagan, we were instrumental.

00:44:48.800 We were inside the Soviet Union, dismantling them from the inside.

00:44:54.200 At the same time, they were economic, you know, had their economic troubles, and they were mired in Afghanistan.

00:45:01.000 Isn't Putin doing just the exact same thing now?

00:45:04.680 Well, I mean, I think that's right.

00:45:06.380 Although, I think you can exaggerate.

00:45:10.500 I mean, obviously, the U.S. played a big role in the collapse of the Soviet Union.

00:45:14.120 And the success of American leaders were its adversary against communism.

00:45:19.360 But I think, ultimately, it collapsed because of its own internal weakness, because of economic problems, because of the sheer fact that when he went to the shop, there was nothing there.

00:45:28.700 And I think this did for it, plus a kind of yearning for greater kind of freedom.

00:45:33.420 But what Putin has done is he's taken Russia, which I think in the 1990s you can probably best describe as a semi-democracy, and he shifted it in a more authoritarian direction with distinct neo-Soviet moments.

00:45:50.800 And one thing he's revived is this great tradition of Moscow meddling in other people's elections.

00:45:57.580 Now, that happened throughout the Cold War.

00:46:00.200 It wasn't terribly successful.

00:46:02.180 Your listeners probably don't remember, but there was a big attempt by the KGB, the Soviet spy agency, to do down Ronald Reagan and portray him as a warmonger.

00:46:11.360 It wasn't very effective, but now we're kind of back in the 21st century, and those methods are being used again, both in the United States and in my backyard in Europe.

00:46:22.260 So you write about a wave of suspicious, influential Russian deaths that broke out after the details of this influence operation broke out.

00:46:37.440 Can you go through a little bit of this?

00:46:41.680 Well, yes.

00:46:42.800 I mean, obviously there was the famous dossier by Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence officer, which came out in January.

00:46:52.360 And I think what's kind of interesting is that quite a few people on Capitol Hill, a few senior journalists, think tankers, they knew some of the allegations inside the document.

00:47:03.520 And I think it's pretty clear that Russian security services, who, as you say, Russian spy agencies have a huge footprint in America, also got wind of this.

00:47:13.200 And what happened as well, although we can't say it's kind of causally connected, is that a whole series of Russian diplomats dropped dead in New Delhi, in Athens, in Greece.

00:47:24.400 There was a diplomat who fell from the roof from the Soviet mission in New York, Vitaly Churkin, who was Russia's ambassador to the United Nations, also died, although the cops say it was a heart attack, no suspicious play.

00:47:41.120 Another diplomat was shot dead in Moscow.

00:47:42.700 And I think the way we can read this is we don't know if these are sources who spoke to U.S. intelligence.

00:47:52.100 But what we can say is that there was a clear attempt by the Kremlin to weed out people they may have regarded as traitors and to deliver the customary punishment in these circumstances, which is death.

00:48:06.080 I want to get into some of the people that most Americans, you know, they hear people like Michael Flynn, and they don't know really who Michael Flynn is.

00:48:20.640 There's another another character that is that you spell out, and it's truly frightening.

00:48:29.780 Carter Page and how he has been dealing with Moscow and and how they viewed him and the operation that they have to get close and infiltrate our government officials.

00:48:45.660 We're going to take a quick break and come back and go into the the the the the way Russia moves and the way Russia is infiltrating here in the United States and who their pawns are and how they've moved them around a chessboard when we come back.

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00:51:03.240 Glenn Beck.

00:51:10.220 Glenn Beck.

00:51:11.620 We're talking to, uh, Luke Harding.

00:51:14.960 He has written a book called Collusion.

00:51:17.980 And don't judge a book by its cover.

00:51:21.020 Uh, you need to read this book.

00:51:24.040 Um, he is laying out a case on Russia and how Russia has infiltrated, uh, our government

00:51:32.160 at the highest levels.

00:51:33.280 And, uh, and what is, what's, what's really going on.

00:51:37.580 We have to stop making this about Donald Trump and about, uh, Hillary Clinton, in my opinion,

00:51:42.640 and start making this about what's going on.

00:51:46.040 Let the chips fall where they may.

00:51:48.000 We have some bad people who are playing footsie with some really bad people in Russia.

00:51:55.560 Let's start with, uh, Mike Flynn.

00:51:57.980 Luke, can you, most people don't know who he is.

00:52:00.600 They don't know much about him.

00:52:02.120 Um, you know, then they're trying to make it sound like he was guilty of telling a little

00:52:07.720 white lie to the FBI.

00:52:10.460 Who is he?

00:52:12.260 Well, yeah, Glenn, I mean, I think there's more to Mike Flynn than that.

00:52:15.980 He, he's a career military intelligence guy.

00:52:19.080 Um, he, he, uh, was active, uh, very active in Iraq.

00:52:22.860 He kept on being promoted.

00:52:24.400 Um, and he became the head of the defense intelligence agency, a very prestigious post.

00:52:29.820 Uh, he was eventually fired from there.

00:52:32.120 By, by the Obama administration, because a lot of his colleagues, people he worked with

00:52:36.760 thought that he was becoming increasingly, uh, erratic, uh, and I guess you could say

00:52:42.200 detached from reality.

00:52:44.140 And I think what, what's interesting about Michael Flynn is, is that he, um, had a meeting

00:52:49.440 with Donald Trump in 2015, um, and became a kind of informal advisor to his campaign.

00:52:54.500 And really the second that that happened, the sort of the Russians, and in particular,

00:52:59.900 Sergei Kislyak, who was, who was until recently the Russian ambassador to the United States

00:53:04.620 started wooing Michael Flynn.

00:53:07.400 And you probably remember, uh, brought him over to Moscow for a famous dinner, um, in late

00:53:13.240 2015, where he actually sat next to Vladimir Putin, um, and started paying him money.

00:53:20.740 He got an appearance fee.

00:53:21.900 He made speeches on behalf of Russian interests.

00:53:24.520 Um, and I think rather unwisely, he didn't declare this.

00:53:27.800 He should have done to the department of defense.

00:53:29.480 Um, and, and what we can say about this, um, is this is kind of classic Moscow tactics that

00:53:36.580 you, you try and cultivate someone, you influence them, you give them money, see if they accept

00:53:41.840 it, uh, and gradually you try and claim them.

00:53:45.960 Tell me about him calling himself General Misha.

00:53:50.360 Well, I mean, this is a kind of extraordinary footnote in this story.

00:53:53.840 He, he, he met a, uh, a British Russian postgraduate.

00:53:56.960 He was giving a speech when he was still head of the defense intelligence agency in Cambridge

00:54:01.320 in England, university town.

00:54:03.480 Uh, and he, he had a very animated discussion with her about Soviet history, about Stalin.

00:54:11.700 He invited her to be his personal interpreter on a trip to Moscow, which never happened.

00:54:16.580 And they had a kind of correspondence where he signed himself off as General Misha.

00:54:22.300 Now, now Misha is the equivalent of Mike, uh, in Russian.

00:54:27.160 Now, I, of course, I think that was a joke, but I also think that, um, that Flynn's kind

00:54:33.380 of willingness to engage with, with, with, with the Russians and indeed with, with the

00:54:38.100 Turks.

00:54:38.440 He was lobbying on behalf of the Turkish government.

00:54:40.820 We now know made him vulnerable actually, and, and raises questions as to why he became

00:54:47.620 national security advisor.

00:54:48.940 Tell me about his appearance at the GRU and, and what that is and how unprecedented this

00:54:53.600 is.

00:54:54.980 Well, this is another very curious episode.

00:54:57.500 So again, while he was still intelligence chief in 2013, he was invited by Ambassador Kislyak

00:55:03.060 to tour the headquarters of the GRU.

00:55:06.120 Now, everybody's head of the KGB.

00:55:07.840 Um, that's the sort of famous Soviet spy agency, but it has an even more secretive, uh, equivalent

00:55:14.660 in military intelligence called the GRU with a, with a vast purposeful headquarters in Moscow

00:55:21.000 opened in 2006 by Vladimir Putin himself.

00:55:23.840 And, and Flynn was invited inside the building, which was unprecedented to give a talk on leadership.

00:55:31.100 And, and you might think, well, nothing wrong there, Russian American cooperation and so

00:55:35.080 on.

00:55:35.260 But I've, I've talked to defectors, people who, who very bravely have fled, uh, the Soviet

00:55:41.440 union to the West, who were in the GRU who say this was highly unusual.

00:55:45.940 One of them told me when I heard the news, the Michael Flynn, American general had gone

00:55:50.240 around the GRU headquarters.

00:55:51.580 Uh, and he essentially speculated that, that, that, that, that the Russian spy agency was

00:55:58.060 checking Flynn out, wanted to take a close look at him, wanted to talk to him, wanted

00:56:02.120 to evaluate whether he might be useful for them.

00:56:04.880 So what are you, what are you alleging Flynn was doing, uh, with, uh, with the Russians and

00:56:12.360 why was it so dangerous for us?

00:56:16.200 Well, I mean, the thing is, I think Flynn would say, uh, that he did nothing wrong.

00:56:21.060 There was no, uh, treasonous element here that, that he was merely replying quite, quite

00:56:27.100 properly to, to, to, to, to government approved, um, invitations, his trips to Moscow and so

00:56:32.920 on.

00:56:33.060 But I think there's a kind of, there's a question of judgment.

00:56:36.540 I mean, if you take money from, from the Russian state, I mean, first of all, that's

00:56:40.780 not a terribly good thing to do, but secondly, you have to declare it.

00:56:43.280 And he didn't.

00:56:44.400 Uh, and I think that the problem is that you become more and more beholden to Russian interest

00:56:49.160 so that when Sergei Kislyak calls or they have a discussion, which we know they did, uh,

00:56:54.540 in December of last year, and they talk about sanctions, then of course you kind of Flynn

00:57:00.180 almost, he's almost, he kind of almost owes Moscow something.

00:57:03.440 I mean, that, that's certainly the arrangement that Russia would want.

00:57:05.940 And I think that's a kind of, that's a tricky, uh, position for any national security advisor

00:57:10.920 to be in.

00:57:11.360 So Trump has had an unshakable defense with Flynn.

00:57:16.480 Why?

00:57:17.320 Does he know?

00:57:18.580 Does he not know?

00:57:20.220 Is he, does Flynn have something, you know, the FBI, you know, has flipped him.

00:57:25.080 What would he have to spill?

00:57:28.160 Well, I think quite a lot.

00:57:30.260 Um, and wherever you stand on this story, and I know, of course, the president denies it.

00:57:35.380 And a lot of people, um, believe it is all a plot.

00:57:38.020 It's all, it's all fake news.

00:57:40.040 Um, I think there are awkward questions here.

00:57:42.520 Um, in particular, Flynn, we know, was discussing sanctions last year with a Russian ambassador.

00:57:48.140 He said, he said he didn't, but then he admitted that he lied and he did.

00:57:52.040 This is sensitive because it's the number one thing that Putin wants from America.

00:57:55.660 He wants America to lift sanctions.

00:57:58.720 Um, and the question is when Flynn was doing this, what was this a sort of freelance operation

00:58:03.860 or was this sanction from the White House and possibly from, from the president?

00:58:08.020 And what we now know from Bob Miller's indictment is that, is that Trump talks before he, before

00:58:15.200 he met the, the, the Russian guy with, with Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law.

00:58:19.860 Um, and it's, so the question now is whether, whether Kushner in turn had, had sought approval

00:58:25.580 from, from the president's elect.

00:58:27.520 And so I, I think wherever, where you cut it, that the trail, whether you like it or not

00:58:32.480 is moving, uh, closer and closer towards the White House.

00:58:36.080 Okay.

00:58:36.720 Um, back in just a second, Luke Harding, um, author of, uh, a book about Russia and the

00:58:43.220 United States.

00:58:44.500 And you need to read it.

00:58:46.320 It's called Collusion.

00:58:50.500 Glenn Beck.

00:58:51.560 You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

00:58:58.000 You know, so much of life, uh, makes us comfortable, especially in our own views.

00:59:01.500 Uh, algorithms make us very, very comfortable and they show us only the things that we agree

00:59:07.100 with.

00:59:07.780 The only way we grow is if we look at things we don't think we agree with and see if they

00:59:12.580 have any value to them.

00:59:14.920 Um, it's the reason why I picked up the book Collusion by Luke Harding.

00:59:18.360 And there is a lot of value in this book, but I want to make sure that, that you understand.

00:59:24.780 I believe that this is a bipartisan problem in this, in this country.

00:59:29.660 Uh, it's happening with Putin all over the world, not just America.

00:59:33.760 If you look at just a general Flynn, let's remember he was a Democrat.

00:59:38.140 He went to the GRU and spoke there under Obama.

00:59:42.700 Obama fired him.

00:59:44.100 Trump then picked him up.

00:59:45.440 Obama said, don't.

00:59:46.620 And then Trump figured it out and he fired him.

00:59:49.660 So, uh, this is, this, everybody is involved in this.

00:59:54.500 We have to understand how Russia works.

00:59:58.380 I want to talk a little bit, uh, uh, Luke, uh, Luke Harding is, uh, with the Guardian.

01:00:04.140 He's the author of this book, uh, collusion.

01:00:05.820 Um, but he was also, you were the Moscow, uh, the head of the Moscow, uh, uh, division for

01:00:13.000 the, uh, uh, Guardian.

01:00:15.040 Were you not, Luke?

01:00:16.820 That, that, that's right, Glenn.

01:00:18.140 I was there for, for four years between 2007 and, uh, 2011 with my wife, uh, Phoebe and

01:00:24.940 our, our two relatively small kids.

01:00:27.460 And I think actually what, what happened to me, to us is, is instructive just to, to perhaps

01:00:34.220 give your, your listeners an idea of, of, of what, what America is dealing with.

01:00:39.020 Because we, we, we suffered a series of, of break-ins in our apartment by the FSB, that,

01:00:45.460 that's the, the successor spy agency to the KGB.

01:00:49.680 Um, and they did all sorts of kind of very obvious and spooky stuff.

01:00:53.780 For example, they didn't like the articles I was writing for my newspaper.

01:00:57.640 And on one occasion we came back and we discovered the bedroom window next to my small six-year-old

01:01:04.260 son's bed, which we had double locked, had been bust open, and, and there was a 20-meter

01:01:09.700 drop to the courtyard below.

01:01:13.640 Now, now, how are you supposed to interpret that?

01:01:15.560 The, the, the message that they were basically sending was, you know, be careful what you

01:01:18.960 do or your, your kids might meet with a, with an accident.

01:01:23.880 And we, we were surveilled.

01:01:25.940 I was occasionally followed, uh, around, around the icy streets of Moscow by, by spy guys wearing

01:01:33.440 cheap black leather jackets and, and, and so on.

01:01:36.820 And to be clear that the kind of heroes of this, yeah, sorry.

01:01:40.900 Would you just tell the story about, um, you know, the, the, Putin is known for getting

01:01:47.720 rid of his enemies by either setting up or falsifying sexual, uh, you know, videos, uh,

01:01:55.720 and, and, and discrediting you.

01:01:58.380 Tell the story about what happened.

01:02:00.920 That's his MO.

01:02:01.800 What happened with you and your wife?

01:02:03.440 At your house.

01:02:04.500 Yeah.

01:02:05.120 Well, well, that's right.

01:02:06.480 I mean, and the thing is, uh, again, we, we don't know what, what happened with Donald

01:02:10.880 Trump in, in Moscow in 2013, and we can't really kind of call that.

01:02:15.700 But what I can tell you is, is that, that there's a long tradition of, of the KGB and the

01:02:20.680 FSB, uh, violating your private sphere, if you like, and, and surveilling people.

01:02:26.320 And I, I know that because we, we talk to the, the, the British embassy in Moscow, they

01:02:31.300 work very closely with, with, with the Americans, of course.

01:02:33.700 And they, they told me, I was told by, by British diplomats that our, our, our flat was

01:02:39.540 bugged.

01:02:39.900 Our apartment was bugged.

01:02:41.360 Not only that, but our bedroom was bugged.

01:02:44.120 And, and there was video as well.

01:02:45.940 So we have no private space, uh, uh, for almost three and a half years.

01:02:52.980 And, and they, they let us know because on one occasion that they left a, uh, a manual

01:02:57.840 in Russian with, with, with advice on sex and, and relationships.

01:03:02.040 And, and, and the, the, the, the, the message from, from, from, from the KGB was basically

01:03:06.400 we, we, we are watching you guys.

01:03:08.460 Um, so I know it's funny, but it's kind of terrible.

01:03:13.020 It's terrifying.

01:03:14.060 Um, I know that, uh, American businessmen go over and they will send people to the rooms.

01:03:21.340 Uh, and, uh, you know, then they have you on videotape if you happen to take them up on

01:03:26.640 this or whatever, but they also falsify videos.

01:03:29.280 The reason why I bring this up is because that's what's in one of the things, probably

01:03:34.020 the only thing that most people know is that there was this salacious, uh, you know, act

01:03:39.120 going on with, uh, Donald Trump.

01:03:41.340 We don't know if that's true or not, but we do know that that is exactly what Putin does.

01:03:49.220 This, this is coming from the KGB or the FSB because this is what he does, whether it's

01:03:55.280 real or not, they make them up and they show the real things.

01:04:00.160 Yeah.

01:04:00.700 I mean, it's, it's what they, what they do.

01:04:02.800 It's what, what has been done since the Cold War times.

01:04:05.280 I mean, I agree with you on, on, on Donald Trump.

01:04:08.180 Um, we don't know what happened, but, but for sure there will be a, a tape because they

01:04:13.340 would, they would tape the presidential suite of that five star hotel for whoever is staying

01:04:17.900 to see what they can get.

01:04:18.920 But there's a rich, well-documented tradition of the KGB sending attractive young women to

01:04:25.480 try and seduce high profile Westerners.

01:04:30.100 Glenn, they even had a name.

01:04:31.480 They were, the KGB called them swallows and they would send these women swallows.

01:04:35.520 And, and of course, if you, if you, um, succumb to, to, to this, uh, approach that then of

01:04:42.820 course, fairly soon afterwards, the KGB will get in touch.

01:04:46.540 There'll be photos, there'll be blackmail.

01:04:48.420 You do this for us.

01:04:49.300 So we expose you.

01:04:50.720 And, and this is, this is a very basic playbook, but the point is that Putin is using the same

01:04:55.520 playbook that he learned about when he was a junior spy in the 1970s.

01:05:01.020 So tell me about, uh, Christopher Steele because Christopher Steele is the spy of all spies,

01:05:07.900 um, and has a great record when he's with MI6.

01:05:14.140 Um, so tell me a little bit about him quickly and then we'll, we'll move on.

01:05:18.420 Well, he, he, he, he was, he's a British spy.

01:05:21.320 Well, he was a British spy.

01:05:22.320 He spent 22 years working for, for UK intelligence, three years in, in, in, in Moscow where he had

01:05:28.320 a front row seat on history.

01:05:30.100 I mean, he watched the Soviet union collapse.

01:05:33.060 He watched Boris Yeltsin famously stand on that tank outside the white house.

01:05:37.700 Uh, and he saw the kind of birth of the new Russian federation.

01:05:41.240 And I would just say quickly, I mean, people I've spoken to say he's, he's credible.

01:05:47.140 He's not, he's not, he's not got a sort of political dog in this fight.

01:05:51.500 He's just someone who was worried about what he thought was happening to American democracy,

01:05:57.860 how it was being subverted from outside, uh, and therefore gave his material to the FBI.

01:06:03.460 He didn't say, you know, find all this to be true.

01:06:07.040 He said, uh, evaluate it, uh, prove it, disprove it, but, but take it seriously.

01:06:13.240 That was his message.

01:06:14.100 So here's the problem because of fusion GPS and their involvement, Glenn Simpson, fusion

01:06:19.400 GPS, they're working with the DNC and the Clinton campaign against Trump on, you know,

01:06:24.640 finest dirt.

01:06:25.200 And it's coming from Moscow.

01:06:26.460 And at the same time, the same organization is working with the Russians to lobby against

01:06:32.160 the Magnitsky act.

01:06:33.560 Uh, I mean, it's a, it's an odd conflict of interest and it makes things murky.

01:06:40.420 Why should we trust fusion GPS?

01:06:44.680 Well, I mean, I think you don't necessarily have to have to trust, um, fusion GPS, but

01:06:49.720 what I can say about, about Christopher Steele is that he didn't know who the client was,

01:06:54.180 at least not at first.

01:06:55.000 He had no idea.

01:06:56.120 He didn't know it was the DNC.

01:06:57.640 And obviously, uh, previously it was a, uh, Republican, a Marco Rubio supporter, Paul

01:07:02.980 Singer, who, who commissioned fusion GPS.

01:07:05.380 I mean, all, all Steele knew was that he, he, he was given a question and the question

01:07:10.180 was, what is Donald Trump's relationship with Russia in particular with, with business?

01:07:16.420 And we know that, that Mr. Trump has got a long history of business dealings with, with,

01:07:22.160 with the Russians.

01:07:23.060 And so he sent this question out to his sources, uh, and they started reporting back.

01:07:29.000 So, uh, I mean, I understand there's a lot of noise about process, about who paid for

01:07:33.160 the dossier, but I don't think that affected what Chris Steele wrote.

01:07:38.140 Uh, and I don't think it, it, it, it affected his conclusions, which were pretty scary.

01:07:43.620 So is there a smoking gun?

01:07:45.340 Luke, is there, is there something that shows that Donald Trump, uh, you know, traded policy

01:07:52.640 plans or anything like that, uh, for favors or help or money or anything?

01:07:59.480 Do you think there's going to be a smoking gun?

01:08:03.460 I, um, I suspect there will be, um, a smoking gun of, of, of some kind.

01:08:09.520 I think the financial questions about what deals, um, Mr. Trump may or may not have made

01:08:16.880 with, with Russian interests, I think is, is interesting.

01:08:20.020 And I think clearly of interest to, to Robert Mueller, wherever you stand on, on the politics

01:08:24.440 of this, but if I can, I just like to make one broader point, which is just to sort of

01:08:28.820 say that the point about who Moscow backs, it doesn't matter whether it's the left or

01:08:35.500 the right.

01:08:36.020 They've backed both in the past.

01:08:37.500 The Soviet Union used to support the American communist party.

01:08:40.960 It was, was secretly funneling money from, from, from, you know, cells in Manhattan to,

01:08:46.960 to people on the left in America.

01:08:48.520 At the moment, I would say they have been supporting Donald Trump, but they could very

01:08:53.300 easily drop him, uh, in the future and support a Democrat.

01:08:56.760 I mean, it's about what the strategic need is.

01:09:00.000 It's not about loyalty to any political party.

01:09:01.900 And I think what you were saying earlier is right.

01:09:04.460 This is a, this is a, this is a bipartisan problem for America.

01:09:07.180 It's a problem for the Europeans.

01:09:08.680 It's a problem for, for, for the Brits where I sit in London.

01:09:11.960 Um, and we need to wise up to this.

01:09:15.260 Um, otherwise we will lose.

01:09:17.780 Do you think there's a, a, a possibility?

01:09:20.640 I'm, I'm very concerned about the DOJ and the FBI, um, because I don't think they've been

01:09:26.840 behaving properly during the last administration or this administration.

01:09:30.580 Too many people in both parties laugh off, uh, Russia when they're in charge and then

01:09:38.760 cry boogeyman when they're not in charge.

01:09:41.520 Uh, I think Russia is a, is the number one enemy of the United States and our way of life

01:09:48.400 right now.

01:09:48.900 And they are actively, uh, infiltrating and many different levels.

01:09:53.700 Do you have any indication at all that they're in with FBI or DOJ or, or should we worry about

01:10:01.500 that?

01:10:01.740 I mean, they would certainly, they would, they would certainly like to be glad.

01:10:04.220 I mean, for, for sure.

01:10:05.280 I mean, I mean, traditionally, it's certainly in Soviet times, they have had very well-placed

01:10:08.900 sources in, in, in, in, in the FBI, um, that they've managed to recruit people who've

01:10:13.700 subsequently been exposed as traitors and who've served long, uh, uh, prison sentences.

01:10:19.040 But I would just say that, that in a way, what I can explain is how Putin sees it.

01:10:24.760 I mean, Putin does see America as the main enemy as it, as it was 30 or 40 years ago.

01:10:30.360 And under communism, I mean, the, the KGB has a, uh, a term for it in Russian.

01:10:34.920 America is described as the, the Glovny Protivnik, which means the main adversary with a cap M

01:10:40.960 and a cap A.

01:10:41.700 And, and the generation of people now in charge in Russia, that the people around Vladimir

01:10:47.260 Putin, all have a similar kind of KGB intelligence background and that they share a kind of worldview.

01:10:53.620 Um, now Putin is not interested in, in, in mutual solutions.

01:10:56.780 He's not even really interested in, in, in finding ways through international problems

01:11:01.480 with, with Donald Trump.

01:11:02.940 He's interested in, in Russia getting its way, um, in, in the Middle East and Ukraine,

01:11:08.320 wherever else, and also exploiting American weakness.

01:11:10.700 So the, the, the state where, where the U S is in at the moment, where you have two rival

01:11:15.680 camps, not really listening to each other, very cross with each other, a kind of divided

01:11:20.380 nation that suits Putin perfectly.

01:11:22.940 And I think he will do everything he can that that state of affairs continues.

01:11:27.460 Look, do you, uh, do you, do you follow, um, um, uh, the, uh, one of the main, one of the

01:11:36.500 main guys, uh, who I think is the ideological head of the, uh, of the snake, uh, Alexander

01:11:43.100 Dugan?

01:11:43.660 Is he playing any role?

01:11:46.760 Well, I mean, he, he, Alexander Dugan, he, he's a kind of, he's a ultra nationalist Russian

01:11:52.140 philosopher, uh, and theory guy.

01:11:55.440 You might call him who, who I think provides a kind of, uh, what you might call a kind

01:12:01.520 of ideological sort of veneer, uh, or, or sort of, uh, you know, backbone to the kind

01:12:07.840 of Putin, uh, project.

01:12:09.900 I, I personally, I find his views pretty terrifying, um, but, but essentially what, what, what he

01:12:16.100 wants is he wants a great Russia.

01:12:18.340 He, he, he doesn't want the Soviet Union to come back, but I think he, he, he, he wants

01:12:22.560 the world that Putin wants to where, where Russia kind of calls the shots, um, especially

01:12:27.660 in Europe.

01:12:28.840 Bear in mind that, that in the 1980s, half of Eastern Europe was behind the Iron Curtain

01:12:33.500 and was effectively under Moscow's thumb.

01:12:36.100 Um, and, uh, I, I think, I think his views are pretty, pretty scary.

01:12:41.760 30 seconds, uh, left.

01:12:43.720 Are we winning this war, losing this war, or even recognizing it as a war yet?

01:12:50.300 I think, uh, with the greatest respect to, to, to the U S, which is, which is a great,

01:12:54.860 great country.

01:12:55.340 Uh, I think the U S is losing this war, uh, I think it's beginning to recognize the scale

01:13:00.340 of the problem, but I think the answer now is to try and find a kind of bipartisan space

01:13:06.080 where everybody recognizes that what's at stake is the whole American way of life, uh,

01:13:11.140 U S values and the future of U S democracy.

01:13:13.380 And that's bigger than any one person or party, uh, and that people need to, to work together

01:13:18.220 on that.

01:13:18.940 Luke Harding.

01:13:19.440 Thank you so much.

01:13:20.480 I appreciate it.

01:13:21.380 I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

01:13:22.460 And, uh, I really, um, I found your, your book, um, wildly enlightening.

01:13:27.640 Thank you so much.

01:13:29.460 Thanks, man.

01:13:30.020 A pleasure.

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01:15:08.020 Clinton got millions of dollars from the gas problem people, um, or the, uh, uranium one

01:15:13.720 people, uh, during the Obama administration.

01:15:16.240 Flynn, a Democrat, uh, was making money from the Russians.

01:15:20.560 They're taking both sides.

01:15:21.880 Obama mocked Romney for taking Russia seriously.

01:15:24.740 And this is the overarching point I think of the, of the book and where, where we need

01:15:28.460 to be is when it comes to Russia.

01:15:30.860 It, by treating the Russia situation as a heat of the moment, political issue to slam the

01:15:36.480 other side by both sides.

01:15:37.920 We are playing directly into Vladimir Putin's hands.

01:15:40.600 This is what he wants.

01:15:41.620 Yes.

01:15:42.340 I want the DOJ, FBI, Clintons, uh, Trump's.

01:15:46.660 I want them all investigated and let the chips fall where they may.

01:15:50.520 We've got to stop the infiltration.

01:15:54.000 Glenn Beck.

01:16:00.440 Love.

01:16:02.000 Courage.

01:16:03.360 Truth.

01:16:04.800 Glenn Beck.

01:16:05.520 Have you ever wondered what high stakes diplomatic negotiation sounds like?

01:16:11.020 We're going to take you now live, live to the negotiating table between North Korea

01:16:15.460 and the United States.

01:16:17.280 This is what it sounds like.

01:16:22.180 I mean, that's some high level stuff happening right there.

01:16:25.260 Right?

01:16:25.780 I mean, wow.

01:16:27.520 The current situation with North Korea is this.

01:16:29.900 We are now two weeks past the biggest ICBM advancement the North has ever made.

01:16:36.600 Now they have the ability to, you know, wipe out the entire continental U.S.

01:16:42.500 with nuclear missiles.

01:16:44.120 You'd think the State Department would be in overdrive trying to talk to Kim Jong-un.

01:16:48.980 Uh, but, uh, no, that's not, that's not what happened.

01:16:51.840 This is a quote from Rex Tillerson on his plan for engaging the North Koreans in diplomacy.

01:16:57.620 He said, quote, we can talk about the weather if you want.

01:17:02.080 Uh, we can talk about whether it's going to be a square table or a round table.

01:17:06.360 Uh, then we can, uh, begin to lay out a map, a roadmap of, you know, what we might be willing

01:17:11.860 to work toward.

01:17:14.100 In other words, this is what the diplomats between the two countries are currently talking

01:17:20.780 about.

01:17:25.160 Not a damn thing.

01:17:27.620 Tillerson's statement is the diplomatic equivalent to a husband trying to get his wife to stop

01:17:32.700 giving him the silent treatment.

01:17:34.740 Honey, uh, uh, are you awake?

01:17:36.820 I mean, we could talk.

01:17:39.180 I mean, or not talk.

01:17:41.000 I mean, I was, I was wrong.

01:17:44.180 You were right.

01:17:44.900 Can we talk now, please?

01:17:47.160 It seriously sounds like we are now willing to accept negotiations without preconditions.

01:17:51.880 That means we're also probably willing to accept a nuclear armed North Korea because any conversation

01:17:58.180 going forward won't include Kim Jong-un disarming his nukes.

01:18:02.480 Now I am in, I am in hopes that there's some Uber angle or master plan at work here because

01:18:10.100 if this is all we got up our sleeve with North Korea arming and aiming ICBMs at our homeland,

01:18:18.040 diplomatic American crickets are not going to get the job done.

01:18:21.940 And when diplomacy fails, that's when our real nightmares will begin.

01:18:26.820 It's Wednesday, December 13th.

01:18:41.500 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

01:18:43.720 So if you missed the program earlier today in hour number one, we talked a lot about what

01:18:49.980 happened in Alabama and how this is a good thing and a bad thing at the same time.

01:18:57.180 It's a it's a bad thing because you've lost a Senate seat and you've lost it to a guy who

01:19:03.580 is very pro abortion.

01:19:07.420 And, you know, what does that mean?

01:19:10.040 Well, I don't know yet, except it's going to be harder to get things through.

01:19:14.060 You've lost one extra voice.

01:19:16.260 With that being said, the upside is we're not having to deal with you.

01:19:22.100 You know, the Republicans are the Democrats were waiting.

01:19:26.280 They were waiting.

01:19:27.140 This is why they fired Al Franken so they can say we take our trash out.

01:19:33.740 Now, I wonder if Al Franken is actually going to be forced to resign now.

01:19:38.320 Because they needed him out of the Senate if they were going to play the moral card on

01:19:43.720 Roy Moore.

01:19:44.340 But now that Roy Moore is not there, you're going to get rid of Al Franken.

01:19:48.820 Notice he resigned, but he didn't resign.

01:19:51.260 There's no resigning in a few weeks.

01:19:52.860 Yeah.

01:19:53.020 No date has been set for his actual departure.

01:19:56.480 Right.

01:19:57.200 It's going to be in a few weeks.

01:19:58.340 Now, they are going on and naming who might be his replacement.

01:20:02.940 Yeah.

01:20:03.100 But still, he is not actually confirmed this.

01:20:06.040 It'll be an interesting thing if he decides to pull out of it.

01:20:08.760 I mean, I don't know, maybe he's ready for his little plush, you know, job.

01:20:13.680 Oh, he's going to get a golden parachute doesn't even begin to describe it.

01:20:17.120 Right.

01:20:17.740 He'll go to some think tank or some, you know, some big company as a lobbyist, you know,

01:20:22.660 or on a board somewhere and make a lot of money, which is understandable.

01:20:27.180 It's a nice temptation.

01:20:28.340 Can we upgrade?

01:20:30.240 We have so many really smart people on the side of freedom and the Constitution and small

01:20:35.100 government.

01:20:35.440 We have so many good people.

01:20:37.900 We're not picking them.

01:20:40.220 Omarosa just left.

01:20:41.480 She was fired from the White House.

01:20:42.820 It's the third time now, I think, that Donald Trump has fired her.

01:20:47.140 She's been fired, allegedly, for being Omarosa in the White House.

01:20:55.760 Now, do you remember how much America hated Omarosa?

01:21:00.000 They were not fans.

01:21:01.340 She was the villain on that show.

01:21:02.820 She was awful.

01:21:03.900 She was a despicable person.

01:21:05.980 You imagine working for her or with her at the White House.

01:21:10.100 Oh, my gosh.

01:21:10.960 What a nightmare that would be.

01:21:12.160 Yeah.

01:21:12.260 She's telling people that it was her choice.

01:21:14.580 Yeah.

01:21:14.740 It was a one year anniversary.

01:21:16.260 And obviously, with all jobs, when you do them for a year, you usually leave, especially

01:21:20.800 when they're a great job like at the White House.

01:21:22.680 You know, you just got to get out of there quickly.

01:21:25.440 Yeah.

01:21:25.680 Again, that was obviously a loyalty play.

01:21:27.440 It's I don't there's I don't think a lot of people are arguing.

01:21:29.620 She added quite a bit to the White House.

01:21:31.480 I don't think she was.

01:21:32.480 And it doesn't seem like John General Kelly was a fan.

01:21:36.680 Yeah.

01:21:37.120 Yeah.

01:21:37.480 I don't think anybody was a fan of hers.

01:21:39.080 But I bring up.

01:21:41.200 Can we get some good people?

01:21:43.980 Because did you see this is this is an upside of how the election turned out yesterday?

01:21:50.260 Otherwise, we would have had to be dealing with the spokespeople for Roy Moore.

01:21:57.780 This is one of the worst interviews I've ever seen in my life with Jake Tapper yesterday

01:22:06.240 and one of the spokespeople for Roy Moore.

01:22:09.560 Listen, Judge Moore has also said that he doesn't think a Muslim member of Congress should

01:22:15.680 be allowed to be in Congress.

01:22:17.240 Why under what under what because you have to swear on the Bible you when you you when

01:22:24.020 you are before I had to do it.

01:22:26.420 I'm an elected official three terms.

01:22:28.580 I had to swear on a Bible.

01:22:30.420 You have to swear on a Bible to be an elected official in the United States of America.

01:22:35.580 He alleges that a Muslim cannot do that ethically swearing on the Bible.

01:22:40.760 You don't actually have to swear on a Christian Bible.

01:22:43.300 You can swear on anything.

01:22:45.220 Really.

01:22:45.580 I don't know if you knew that.

01:22:46.400 You can swear on a Jewish Bible.

01:22:47.740 Oh, no.

01:22:48.380 I swear on the Bible.

01:22:49.660 I've done it three times.

01:22:50.660 I'm sure you have.

01:22:51.440 I'm sure you've picked a Bible.

01:22:52.880 But the law is not that you have to swear on a Christian Bible.

01:22:55.680 That is not the law.

01:22:58.620 No, boy.

01:22:59.860 You don't know that?

01:23:02.800 All right.

01:23:03.300 Ted Crockett.

01:23:03.860 I don't know.

01:23:04.660 I know that Donald Trump did it when he when we made him president because he's Christian

01:23:09.140 and he picked it.

01:23:09.840 That's what he wanted.

01:23:10.580 That's what we wanted to swear in on.

01:23:11.980 Ted Crockett with the Moore campaign.

01:23:13.220 Good luck tonight.

01:23:13.680 Thank you so much for being here.

01:23:14.720 I mean, holy cow.

01:23:17.420 Some of those awkward moments can be explained technically because there's a delay.

01:23:22.120 And a lot of times you'll see these moments that get like shared virally.

01:23:25.120 This guy looks like a moron.

01:23:26.920 Reality.

01:23:27.420 It was just a delay.

01:23:28.700 No, no.

01:23:29.400 That was not the case here.

01:23:30.520 That was.

01:23:30.820 This one truly was deer in headlights.

01:23:45.460 Maybe I'm wrong, but I kind of feel like what happened in Alabama yesterday is a kind of

01:23:51.640 a turning point in in some way or another.

01:23:54.580 It's a it's a door opening.

01:23:57.760 It has now made it so we as conservatives don't have to say, no, no, well, no, we don't like

01:24:05.540 child molesters.

01:24:07.340 We don't like people dating 15 year old girls.

01:24:10.320 We don't you know, we don't have to say that.

01:24:12.040 We don't have to have that argument now.

01:24:13.440 Thank God.

01:24:14.040 But it is also a turning point on, I think, the fake news thing that that doesn't work

01:24:21.520 every time it works for Donald Trump, but it doesn't work every time.

01:24:25.840 If if you can't explain yourself or if you start to be mealy mouth or weaselly, we're

01:24:31.700 not going to put up with it.

01:24:33.280 And I think that's a really good thing.

01:24:37.500 People are going to start to learn that the world changed.

01:24:40.240 Jimmy Kimmel thinks that, you know, he's going to be, you know, he's he's, you know, set

01:24:47.980 the moon in stars.

01:24:50.040 However, I think this is going to come back to bite Jimmy Kimmel because Jimmy Kimmel has

01:24:55.240 become this crusader.

01:24:57.300 And let's be honest, Jimmy Kimmel doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

01:25:01.780 Embarrassing.

01:25:02.260 It really is when the Washington Post takes on Jimmy Kimmel and says, yeah, I think we

01:25:11.740 need to fact check your monologue.

01:25:14.260 And Jimmy is using his child to push an agenda when the people who are supposedly are on your

01:25:22.660 side, the Washington Post, come out and say, no, none of that is true.

01:25:27.720 That's a problem.

01:25:28.560 Um, let's go through Jimmy Kimmel and his monologue.

01:25:33.320 Here's cut one about one in eight children are covered only by chip.

01:25:37.040 And it's not controversial.

01:25:38.100 It's not a partisan thing.

01:25:39.300 In fact, the last time funding for chip was authorized was in 2015.

01:25:43.500 It passed with a vote of 392 to 337 in the House and 92 to eight in the Senate.

01:25:50.720 Overwhelmingly, Democrats and Republicans supported it until now.

01:25:55.240 As the Washington Post points out, uh, the, it's not true that it's not a bipartisan bill.

01:26:00.780 The fiscal year ends on September 30th, which is when it technically ran out, but states can

01:26:06.740 take money from previous years and use it.

01:26:09.200 So there's no urgent crisis.

01:26:11.800 No state runs out of money at all until the end of this month.

01:26:14.920 So they have several weeks.

01:26:16.220 Most states, it's not even until March.

01:26:18.380 So they have plenty of time to do this.

01:26:20.520 Plus they approved a stopgap spending bill, which was already approved.

01:26:24.860 And it includes a provision to move money around to make sure chip is funded.

01:26:28.800 So chip, which is the children's healthcare program is going to be funded.

01:26:33.140 It has already been done, but someone is in Jimmy Kimmel's ear telling him some dumb liberal

01:26:38.340 blog point.

01:26:39.320 And he's just not engaged enough to know what a stupid point it is.

01:26:43.640 Why?

01:26:43.760 I mean, that's not a good look.

01:26:45.680 Washington Post comes out against you and, and, and says, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

01:26:50.420 no.

01:26:51.180 Here's cut to say Monica.

01:26:52.560 Now chip has become a bargaining chip.

01:26:54.660 It's on the back burner while they work out their new tax plans, which means parents of

01:26:58.600 children with cancer and diabetes and heart problems are about to get letters saying their

01:27:04.240 coverage could be cut off next month.

01:27:06.260 Merry Christmas, right?

01:27:07.520 Yeah.

01:27:07.820 No, not right at all.

01:27:09.140 Actually, uh, according to the post, the Washington Post points out.

01:27:13.820 Uh, it's part of the normal negotiations that happen at the end of the year.

01:27:16.720 In fact, the house of representatives has already passed a chip reauthorization bill.

01:27:20.720 The vote was two 42 to one 74 who voted against it, not Republicans, Democrats, Democrats voted

01:27:29.540 against it.

01:27:30.180 And that doesn't mean that they're not for chip, but they, the Republicans have already, already

01:27:35.680 done this.

01:27:36.980 Uh, in fact, the Senate has also done it.

01:27:39.180 It's just an issue of figuring out the funding for it.

01:27:42.460 The point though, is that this is just normal negotiations.

01:27:45.540 It's going to pass.

01:27:47.540 There's overwhelming bipartisan support for this.

01:27:50.580 There's nobody really fighting against it at all.

01:27:53.060 And, you know, I guess Jimmy didn't, didn't know that.

01:27:55.980 Jimmy Kimmel cut three Washington post correction of his monologue on the children's, uh, insurance

01:28:03.520 program.

01:28:04.140 So this happened because Congress about 72 days ago failed to approve funding for chip

01:28:09.560 since the first time, since it was created two decades ago, this is literally a life and

01:28:14.260 death program for American kids.

01:28:16.020 It's always had bipartisan support, but this year they let the money for it expire while

01:28:20.340 they work on getting tax cuts for their millionaire and billionaire donors.

01:28:24.600 They're working on several things.

01:28:25.860 You can hear the emotion in his voice though.

01:28:27.300 I mean, and this has taken over his show.

01:28:29.460 He he's now just emotional about these issues and it's really hurting, uh, you know, his

01:28:33.440 actual program to kill his show.

01:28:35.180 Um, but, uh, of course, none of that is true.

01:28:38.560 Um, you know, the, the, there's a house GOP proposal, a house GOP proposal to fund chip by

01:28:45.340 eliminating a tax, uh, a Medicare subsidy for retirees of annual incomes above $500,000 as

01:28:51.260 the post points out.

01:28:52.580 Um, so they actually, not only is it going to be funded anyway, and it has nothing to do.

01:28:56.640 They can pass a tax bill and do chip at the same time that they do that all the time.

01:29:00.300 It would be funded by the wealthy.

01:29:01.740 They've refunded.

01:29:02.460 They, the GOP has suggested it be funded by the wealthy.

01:29:05.840 That's how off base he is on this one.

01:29:08.020 Here's the last clip.

01:29:09.120 I don't know about you.

01:29:10.020 I've had enough of this.

01:29:11.100 I don't know what could be more disgusting than putting a tax cut that mostly goes to

01:29:15.500 rich people ahead of the lives of children.

01:29:18.220 Why hasn't chip been funded already?

01:29:19.900 If these were potato chips, they were taking away from us, we would be marching on Washington

01:29:23.840 with pitchforks and spears right now.

01:29:25.660 I will also point out, that's just a terrible joke.

01:29:30.060 That is not in the post, uh, write-up of this, but the fact that the program is called

01:29:35.740 Chip and now he's making a potato chip joke is just an awful, awful joke.

01:29:42.880 That's his business.

01:29:44.020 That's the business he's supposed to know.

01:29:45.700 And he's so emotional and so caught up on whatever liberal blog is direct messaging him on Twitter

01:29:52.100 that he can't, I mean, he can't even do his actual job right.

01:29:56.400 Here's what, here's what happened to Jimmy Kimmel.

01:29:58.720 Jimmy Kimmel spoke out.

01:30:00.440 He spoke with emotion about something.

01:30:02.340 He made a big splash, uh, and he felt, uh, he felt the power of being popular beyond, uh, what he was doing.

01:30:13.420 You can make a difference, Jimmy.

01:30:15.860 You can make a difference.

01:30:17.760 And once entertainers get a taste of, I can make a difference, and, uh, they stop speaking from their heart and start speaking about things they just don't know anything about, it's a kiss of death.

01:30:32.940 He is clearly listening to somebody who is giving him really bad advice.

01:30:41.500 Jimmy, it was great that you spoke from your heart.

01:30:45.860 Go back and do your show, or you're not going to have a show left.

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01:32:40.900 Glenn Beck.

01:32:42.100 Glenn Beck.

01:32:51.780 So, you might as well get out of Bitcoin.

01:32:54.020 How much is it up today?

01:32:55.840 Like, it's nothing.

01:32:57.000 Yeah, no, it's only, it's $16,899 right now, which is a real disappointment.

01:33:02.260 Right?

01:33:02.940 A real disappointment.

01:33:03.760 I mean, it's, uh, basically everything's falling apart.

01:33:06.200 It's the way I would summarize it.

01:33:07.360 Um, it's interesting to see these other, now the whole, these other secondary, yeah,

01:33:13.240 uh, cryptocurrencies that are going through the roof.

01:33:15.880 Um, in April, you could have purchased Litecoin, which we've talked about many times in the show.

01:33:21.160 You could have purchased it for $4.

01:33:23.520 Uh, it's now $316.

01:33:26.200 So, you may notice, you, you, you would have profited there significantly.

01:33:30.880 So, let me show you, uh, let's try to describe this.

01:33:33.540 This is the, these are the biggest bubbles in the history of mankind.

01:33:37.300 Okay?

01:33:38.260 So, all down here in the bottom are the grays, and they're just little, tiny little bumps and stuff.

01:33:42.700 And these are, these are the U.S. stock markets, and the Chinese stock market, and the, uh, Japanese stock market crash, and the Japanese real estate market, and our real estate bubble, and the dot-com bubble.

01:33:53.100 And it fills up maybe 10 to 20% of the bottom of the chart.

01:33:55.980 Okay.

01:33:56.040 These are not huge.

01:33:56.900 They're not spiking to the top.

01:33:58.260 Okay.

01:33:58.300 So, then, when you go to big ones, you have to go to the South Sea, uh, bubble of 1719 to 1722.

01:34:04.380 How many times have we talked about that?

01:34:05.640 Right.

01:34:05.900 And that goes, and that goes up to the 10 mark on the chart.

01:34:08.600 Okay?

01:34:09.320 Then, the next one is the Mississippi bubble of 1716 to 1719.

01:34:13.320 That goes up to about the 17 or 18 mark.

01:34:16.940 So, that's what, 17 or 18 times what it was.

01:34:19.540 That's the bubble.

01:34:20.280 Yeah.

01:34:20.540 Multiples, multiples to starting price.

01:34:22.360 Okay?

01:34:23.000 Then, you, the next biggest bubble is Bitcoin.

01:34:26.480 Now, this is Bitcoin a month ago.

01:34:28.420 Uh, Bitcoin goes up at the, uh, 40 to 45, uh, times.

01:34:33.380 Okay?

01:34:34.020 It's a lot.

01:34:34.740 And it's just a line almost straight up.

01:34:36.600 But the biggest ever is Tulip Mania.

01:34:40.280 And if you look at Tulip Mania, it goes up past the 50% mark.

01:34:44.960 Okay?

01:34:45.060 Not 50%.

01:34:45.740 Not 50 times.

01:34:46.620 50 times the price.

01:34:47.460 50 times.

01:34:47.940 In a very short period of time.

01:34:49.300 Right.

01:34:49.660 Okay.

01:34:49.940 So, that was, that was last month.

01:34:53.920 Mm-hmm.

01:34:54.480 This is this month.

01:34:57.820 Where.

01:34:58.980 Wow.

01:34:59.380 Tulip Mania has been.

01:35:01.420 Left in the dust.

01:35:02.340 Left in the dust.

01:35:03.320 Uh, Bitcoin is now entering the 70 times range.

01:35:09.780 Never before in human history.

01:35:12.600 You are, what you're seeing on Bitcoin has never happened before and probably never will

01:35:20.360 again in your lifetime.

01:35:21.300 You know, and the only thing you can really push back on with that point is to say these

01:35:27.320 secondary Litecoin and Ethereum have had bigger run-ups percentage-wise than Bitcoin has.

01:35:34.500 So, other cryptocurrencies have actually outpaced that.

01:35:37.980 But that's it.

01:35:38.400 And, you know, I know this because, I mean, I've read the book.

01:35:41.860 I've read, you know, Irrational Exuberance.

01:35:45.340 I have, I have read, it's, it's different this time.

01:35:49.120 It's never different.

01:35:50.360 No, it is.

01:35:50.780 Never different.

01:35:51.100 This time it is, actually, Glenn.

01:35:52.060 Uh, this time what's interesting about it is it will never stop.

01:35:54.780 Right.

01:35:55.160 I think the other bubbles, what happens is they pop.

01:35:58.040 Mm-hmm.

01:35:58.240 This bubble just gets bigger and stronger.

01:36:00.720 And it just keeps, you just keep churning the cash.

01:36:03.720 Never will turn around.

01:36:05.040 Wow.

01:36:05.200 That's one of the positives of this, yes.

01:36:06.840 Never gonna end.

01:36:07.820 Okay.

01:36:08.380 Thank you for that.

01:36:09.020 I feel better.

01:36:09.680 Thanks.

01:36:09.940 Okay, great.

01:36:12.620 Glenn, back.

01:36:15.340 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:36:22.680 So we've been waiting all day to hear Pat Gray's take on what happened yesterday

01:36:28.880 and what he was feeling last night because we all sat here yesterday and said,

01:36:34.340 he's gonna win and he's gonna win pretty handily with probably by five points.

01:36:38.920 And we were wrong.

01:36:40.240 And so I just, I want to say, I want to say, we are undefeated.

01:36:46.140 We have not been right in any political.

01:36:49.320 Probably not since 2008.

01:36:51.060 I don't think so.

01:36:52.000 We have.

01:36:52.460 That's not true.

01:36:53.300 That's not true.

01:36:54.520 It's not.

01:36:55.340 It seems like it is.

01:36:56.400 Do not.

01:36:56.740 Because we were wrong on Romney.

01:36:57.860 I was not wrong on Romney.

01:36:58.660 Glenn and I were wrong on Romney.

01:37:00.140 We were wrong on Trump.

01:37:01.500 We were wrong on Roy Moore.

01:37:02.840 Certainly wrong.

01:37:03.500 I mean, I'm, you know, this one was, I guess both of them are the same thing.

01:37:10.480 I just didn't believe Roy Moore could possibly lose that, right?

01:37:16.640 Like, I couldn't believe they'd blow up.

01:37:18.140 I just didn't think that there was a way that enough people felt the way I did.

01:37:23.980 I, I feel, I mean, I feel really horrible about this, but I kind of feel good that I'm like,

01:37:29.520 oh, I'm not alone.

01:37:31.620 It's not just me.

01:37:32.360 I don't know, though.

01:37:32.660 Are you, this is why this one was so complicated in that what happened does not represent me

01:37:38.420 at all.

01:37:39.180 The fact that Doug Jones, this freaking crazy person.

01:37:41.980 No, no, no.

01:37:42.540 That's different.

01:37:43.180 That's different.

01:37:43.960 Who's going to go in there and be a hardcore left-wing activist.

01:37:47.760 I know, I know.

01:37:48.460 At least on many times.

01:37:49.800 It's really bad.

01:37:50.720 Terrible.

01:37:50.840 And I know that's, I know you don't feel that way.

01:37:52.580 It's two years.

01:37:53.160 It's two years.

01:37:54.100 It's just two years.

01:37:54.840 It's just two years.

01:37:55.560 And it's Alabama.

01:37:56.720 If, if Republicans are smart, they can run somebody really qualified and get him out.

01:38:01.480 And now it's going to be harder, but you brought it on yourself.

01:38:04.420 Not, not the people really of Alabama.

01:38:07.000 It is the GOP and what Mitch McConnell did.

01:38:09.820 Mitch McConnell did not want a constitutionalist in there, did not want Mo Brooks.

01:38:18.080 And so ran a campaign, spent all of his money running a campaign.

01:38:22.560 So that got you Luther Strange.

01:38:24.480 Donald Trump wanted Luther Strange, too.

01:38:26.760 He didn't want the constitutionalists.

01:38:28.480 So they got rid of him.

01:38:30.060 And what happens?

01:38:31.200 They just think that the, the, the constant, the, um, uh, the, the guy that Mitch McConnell

01:38:37.300 picks hand picks is going to sit well with people in Alabama who are sick and tired of

01:38:43.960 Mitch McConnell.

01:38:44.580 Um, there is one, uh, uh, kind of amazing Mo Brooks update today.

01:38:48.880 Uh, he made a speech, uh, today, um, announcing he has cancer.

01:38:53.460 Oh man.

01:38:54.180 Um, and, uh, you know, we talk about, uh, mysterious ways, man.

01:38:59.100 The, he says the only reason he found out about it is because he lost the primary.

01:39:03.740 If he had been running in the campaign, he wouldn't have taken time to get the appointment

01:39:07.260 that identified the cancer, which they then caught.

01:39:10.720 So, so they caught it early.

01:39:12.180 They, I guess they caught it early.

01:39:13.060 Why?

01:39:13.640 Because he lost the, because he wouldn't have time.

01:39:16.100 He did, he, he was like, I would have never, I would have never taken, taken this appointment

01:39:20.040 in the middle of the campaign.

01:39:21.020 Oh wow.

01:39:21.380 So once he lost, he took the appointment.

01:39:23.540 I was thinking if it was me, it'd be like, couldn't get worse.

01:39:26.400 Yeah.

01:39:26.800 You could have a rectal exam.

01:39:29.480 All right.

01:39:30.080 All right.

01:39:30.540 Whatever.

01:39:31.980 Uh, so, I mean, uh, hopefully this is going to, you know what kind of cancer it is?

01:39:35.880 Uh, I, it may be colon cancer.

01:39:38.240 I don't have the, uh, I don't have it in front of me.

01:39:40.300 They did say though, uh, uh, uh, or prostate cancer.

01:39:42.740 I believe it was prostate cancer.

01:39:43.760 Yeah.

01:39:43.920 Let's see.

01:39:44.300 You can.

01:39:44.600 I mean, Vince Flynn died of that, but you know, if it's caught early, you can, you can

01:39:49.140 survive.

01:39:49.800 Yeah.

01:39:49.980 So obviously we hope for the best, uh, with that one.

01:39:52.320 We pray for the best with him.

01:39:52.780 Yeah.

01:39:53.720 So how did you feel yesterday?

01:39:56.220 Uh, stupid for one.

01:39:59.000 I, I just felt wrong again.

01:40:01.580 And I, I was a little dismayed because this guy is so pro abortion and so left wing.

01:40:08.120 So you would have voted for it.

01:40:09.780 I may, I don't know.

01:40:11.140 I don't know.

01:40:11.620 I would probably would have gone third party.

01:40:13.420 I would have gotten third party.

01:40:14.600 Only a write-in option.

01:40:15.760 It seemed like, uh, it depends on if I would have believed, you know, and I don't, I don't

01:40:19.740 know.

01:40:19.900 I'm not an Alabama voter, so it didn't matter for me.

01:40:21.960 But if I would have believed Roy Moore in what he was saying that he didn't do any of

01:40:27.500 the things he's accused of, why not vote for him?

01:40:30.140 Yeah.

01:40:30.460 I mean, he believed him and he just made it really hard towards the end.

01:40:33.100 He did.

01:40:33.240 He made it really hard to believe.

01:40:34.220 Well, he did, because his story changed.

01:40:35.660 Yeah.

01:40:35.900 His story changed.

01:40:36.860 And the things he was saying publicly disagreed with other things he had said publicly about

01:40:42.000 the same incident.

01:40:42.700 Yeah.

01:40:42.940 So he just fell apart there at the end.

01:40:44.920 And then there was the other problem of maybe the worst spokesperson in the history of spokespeople.

01:40:51.560 Good.

01:40:51.820 He had a few of them.

01:40:52.720 Golly.

01:40:53.280 I mean, no matter your beliefs, his spokesman, is it Ted Crockett?

01:40:57.400 Is that his name?

01:40:58.420 Gets on Jake Tapper yesterday and says, homo, he's, he's.

01:41:02.740 Here, we've got, we have the audio.

01:41:04.480 Play the audio, please.

01:41:05.440 Does he think that homosexual conduct should be illegal?

01:41:11.220 It's a yes or no question.

01:41:14.460 Probably.

01:41:15.380 He probably thinks homosexual conduct should be illegal.

01:41:17.840 What?

01:41:18.040 And what would the punishment be for a man having sexual relations with another man or a woman

01:41:24.380 having sexual relations with another woman?

01:41:25.980 What should the punishment be?

01:41:29.920 It's just a sin.

01:41:31.300 No matter what you believe, you can't say it probably should be illegal, right?

01:41:37.540 Then he's asked about Muslims.

01:41:38.900 Should there be Muslims in office?

01:41:40.620 No, there shouldn't be for some faulty reason that you have to swear on the Bible, which you

01:41:45.140 don't have to do.

01:41:45.740 You don't have to do.

01:41:47.420 I mean, when he said, does he think it should be illegal?

01:41:50.720 The act of homosexuality should be illegal.

01:41:54.240 The answer is not probably.

01:41:55.980 No, it's not.

01:41:56.740 It's just not probably.

01:41:58.060 No, it isn't.

01:41:58.640 You'd have to ask him.

01:41:59.480 No matter what, it's not probably.

01:42:00.300 If you ask him, I don't know.

01:42:01.560 Yes.

01:42:02.040 You don't say probably.

01:42:02.940 What an awful spokesman.

01:42:04.400 If you do know, and you're absolutely sure.

01:42:08.120 You still say, you have to ask him.

01:42:09.640 Ask him.

01:42:10.480 Ask him.

01:42:11.240 We haven't discussed that.

01:42:12.400 But here's a guy who doesn't know.

01:42:14.780 And he's saying, I don't know, probably.

01:42:16.920 I don't know, probably.

01:42:18.460 I don't know, probably.

01:42:19.620 I think if you would have been asked if Roy Moore believes adulterers should be stoned in

01:42:23.880 the public square, he would have said, of course, Jake, you can't let them sluts live to slut

01:42:31.060 around longer with more people.

01:42:33.860 That would probably not be a good answer either.

01:42:35.600 Should the crusades be reinstated?

01:42:37.680 Jake, that's the first piece of legislation Roy Moore's fixing to work on.

01:42:43.420 Well, that was one of the things.

01:42:44.340 Wow, is he bad.

01:42:45.160 When they talked about how this campaign had gone, so many people in the Republican circles

01:42:50.660 had abandoned the campaign.

01:42:52.300 He had real trouble finding anyone who would do anything for him.

01:42:56.640 And he had no real support from any side.

01:42:59.260 It really shows.

01:43:00.120 And it shows.

01:43:00.920 I mean, because he's not the only one.

01:43:02.320 It shows.

01:43:02.660 I mean, look, his wife is.

01:43:04.360 So good people said no?

01:43:06.480 A lot of them.

01:43:07.160 Okay.

01:43:07.740 That makes me feel better because I'm like, wow, if this is the best the GOP can do in

01:43:12.360 Alabama, boy, that's a problem.

01:43:14.720 I don't want to overstate this here.

01:43:17.120 People who had self-interest realized they might be tainted by the campaign and said

01:43:21.500 no.

01:43:21.720 Okay, all right.

01:43:22.300 I'm not saying they're good people.

01:43:24.280 I don't want to oversell it.

01:43:25.840 Clearly, they're not good people.

01:43:27.240 Exactly.

01:43:28.360 But I mean, he had three of the worst moments by people who were spokesmen for them of any

01:43:36.100 campaign I've ever seen.

01:43:36.900 This one was really bad with Jake Tapper.

01:43:39.060 He had the one previously where the guy went on TV and they asked him about what he was

01:43:44.720 about, hey, did Roy Moore have sex with these or play around with these 14-year-olds?

01:43:48.440 And he said to a guy on CNN, he said, look, I mean, I know with your background, a lot

01:43:54.340 of that happens all the time with your background.

01:43:56.100 The guy who had some heritage from the Middle East, but was from Canada.

01:44:01.580 Oh, my gosh.

01:44:03.060 And they said, wait a minute, he's from Canada.

01:44:05.180 What is that?

01:44:05.400 And then there was the woman who congratulated the pregnant interviewer.

01:44:11.540 Were you going there, too?

01:44:12.580 No, no.

01:44:13.200 Oh, yeah.

01:44:13.760 There was one of his spokespeople congratulated the pregnant interviewer for not having Doug

01:44:21.820 Jones abort her baby.

01:44:23.860 I didn't even see that one.

01:44:25.900 Well, let's not forget the 13-year-old girl that they had interviewed.

01:44:32.740 Interviewing.

01:44:33.900 Bad choice.

01:44:35.160 My favorite came yesterday.

01:44:38.580 Roy Moore's wife.

01:44:40.240 Do we have it, Sarah?

01:44:41.920 Oh, gosh.

01:44:42.580 The word.

01:44:43.120 Thank you.

01:44:44.140 Fake news would tell you that we don't care for Jews.

01:44:47.640 Wait, what?

01:44:48.500 I tell you all this because I've seen it all, so I just want to set the record straight while

01:44:52.480 they're here.

01:44:52.940 One of our attorneys is a Jew.

01:45:05.920 Stop.

01:45:07.160 I love that.

01:45:07.840 One of our attorneys is a Jew.

01:45:09.300 We also shopped at a diamond place run by Jews.

01:45:13.120 Amazingly, we also go to movies, and obviously Hollywood's run by the Jews.

01:45:16.800 One of them Jews is my best friend.

01:45:21.000 His name is Jesus.

01:45:23.660 You might know that, Jew.

01:45:26.680 Again, I mean, it's tough.

01:45:28.820 Wow.

01:45:29.560 You put a lot of people who aren't used to doing this in these situations and things happen

01:45:35.800 that aren't so great, but I mean, I don't think I've ever seen a campaign with that many

01:45:41.140 bizarre media appearances associated with it.

01:45:44.760 True.

01:45:44.960 Even Trump's campaign.

01:45:45.920 Did you see the Trump campaign?

01:45:48.120 Come on.

01:45:49.180 I don't know.

01:45:50.040 I don't know.

01:45:50.420 I don't know if it was that bad.

01:45:51.180 I mean, percentage-wise, it wasn't even close.

01:45:52.300 I mean, Roy Moore wasn't even doing a lot of appearances.

01:45:55.140 Every time he had someone on television, there was a disaster.

01:45:57.520 He was saying that he was really as closely associated with Vladimir Putin.

01:46:01.060 I forgot about that one.

01:46:02.500 Did you hear that one?

01:46:03.080 I don't think I did.

01:46:04.140 Oh, my gosh.

01:46:04.560 He's like, oh, maybe I'm simpatico with Vladimir then.

01:46:08.180 Wait, what?

01:46:09.560 He said, in that interview, he said that we could call the U.S. the source of all evil.

01:46:19.260 Oh, that interview.

01:46:20.260 Yeah, right.

01:46:20.700 Yeah, and it's like, wait a minute.

01:46:21.940 What the hell is going on?

01:46:23.740 And that's when he said, he also said, was there a good time in America?

01:46:27.700 Well, yeah, when families were together, when we had slavery, which was interpreted to mean

01:46:32.260 he was pro-slavery.

01:46:33.340 Right.

01:46:33.640 And it didn't mean that, but that's what everybody made out of it.

01:46:36.640 Yeah, and again, it was poorly stated.

01:46:38.720 His point, and I think, you know, if you look at the full-

01:46:41.140 Just go back to when families were together, that was a great time in America.

01:46:43.880 If you look at the full context-

01:46:44.980 Leave slavery out of it.

01:46:45.740 If you look at the full context of the slavery part of that, he does pretty clearly state

01:46:51.440 the policy was very bad, but there were good things associated with that time culturally.

01:46:55.920 But obviously, slavery was bad.

01:46:57.820 I mean, he was pretty-

01:46:58.640 But again, you can't give the media those things.

01:47:01.400 Because that's more of a, I mean, I don't want to say, it's closer to a normal political

01:47:05.020 mistake than just stopping and staring at the camera for nine straight seconds like

01:47:09.420 some of his spokespeople have done.

01:47:12.060 Here's another Roy Moore classic he was calling America.

01:47:15.940 He said that Russia was the focus of evil in the modern world.

01:47:21.400 You could say that very well about America, couldn't you?

01:47:24.260 Oh, boy.

01:47:24.800 Do you think so?

01:47:25.240 Wow.

01:47:25.360 Okay, that's bad enough.

01:47:26.400 But wait.

01:47:26.820 We promote a lot of bad things, you know?

01:47:30.080 Now-

01:47:30.620 Like-

01:47:31.120 What?

01:47:31.560 Same-sex marriage.

01:47:34.320 That's the very argument that Vladimir Putin makes.

01:47:36.800 Wow.

01:47:37.000 Well, then maybe Putin is right.

01:47:39.780 Maybe he's more akin to me than I know.

01:47:42.860 He's akin to me than I know.

01:47:43.900 Oh, my gosh.

01:47:45.320 You know, that is-

01:47:46.600 Can you-

01:47:46.960 I mean, honestly-

01:47:47.460 By the way, he's still contesting the election.

01:47:49.860 It's going to be a while before the paperwork is filed because his lawyer is out for Hanukkah,

01:47:55.280 so he won't be in for a few days.

01:47:58.540 Which is terrible.

01:47:59.480 Can you imagine if Barack Obama, if Hillary Clinton said,

01:48:04.900 the focus of evil in all of the world is the United States-

01:48:08.200 Oh, the right would have gone-

01:48:09.320 On camera in an interview?

01:48:10.280 Would have gone crazy.

01:48:11.320 Rightfully so.

01:48:11.940 Crazy.

01:48:12.280 That's an insane point of view.

01:48:14.160 An insane point of view.

01:48:15.940 And this, you know, look, so you can sit here and feel bad about this loss, and there's

01:48:20.180 a lot of negatives that will come.

01:48:21.440 I don't think it's overly dramatic of two years of this guy, and he will vote wrong every single

01:48:26.080 time.

01:48:26.980 And Roy Moore would have voted right several times.

01:48:30.660 Not all the time, but sometimes he would have voted the correct way.

01:48:33.760 Long term, I think, you know, you look at this and you say, look, a guy who thinks the focus

01:48:38.500 of evil in the modern world is the United States of America, I don't want that guy representing

01:48:43.340 me.

01:48:43.800 After he's told it was Russia, and then he changes the focus to the United States?

01:48:47.760 Oh, yeah, I'll give you one worse than Russia, us!

01:48:52.320 Can you imagine?

01:48:54.120 Can you imagine if Hillary Clinton said that?

01:48:57.420 If Chuck Schumer said that?

01:48:58.740 If Nancy Pelosi said that?

01:49:00.200 There's only one Democrat that was depressed last night, and that was Al Franken.

01:49:04.880 Yeah?

01:49:05.300 Because Al Franken's like, what the hell did I get my seat up for?

01:49:11.000 Thanks, Pat.

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01:51:42.060 Glenn Beck.

01:51:49.160 Glenn Beck.

01:51:50.300 Last night on television, there was a real controversy.

01:52:01.180 Gloria Allred, not a lot of people covered this because of Arkansas or Alabama, but we covered it.

01:52:10.460 And it was quite a controversy, another sexual harassment charge.

01:52:15.520 Yeah, and this one against Santa Claus, which was really, really rough to watch.

01:52:22.160 Obviously, a lot of us have a high opinion of him.

01:52:24.040 Did you notice that she actually, Gloria Allred, actually looked better last night than usual?

01:52:30.380 You know, some people have said that to me.

01:52:32.680 Right.

01:52:33.360 And I don't know that necessarily I want to further that analysis.

01:52:37.480 Uh-huh.

01:52:37.740 Okay.

01:52:38.080 I will say the elf that was charging Santa.

01:52:41.480 Hysterical.

01:52:42.520 I mean, sad.

01:52:43.620 Sad.

01:52:44.160 First of all, sad.

01:52:44.780 Also, larger than previous elves that I have seen in the media.

01:52:49.880 Much larger.

01:52:50.920 Much larger.

01:52:51.800 Perhaps had eaten several other elves to become.

01:52:55.980 Did he remind you of somebody?

01:52:58.700 You should check it out online at glennbeck.com and also watch the show tonight because I hear, I hear.

01:53:06.360 Gloria Allred is back with more charges tonight.

01:53:11.040 You don't want to miss it.

01:53:11.740 At 5 o'clock, only on theblaze.com slash TV.

01:53:14.780 Glenn Beck.

01:53:15.940 Glenn Beck.

01:53:17.920 We'll be right back.

The Glenn Beck Program - December 13, 2017

12⧸13⧸17 - Conservationism at a crossroad？ (Jonah Goldberg & Luke Harding join Glenn)

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