12⧸18⧸17 - Reflection, Peace & Family？ (Dr. Jordan Peterson joins Glenn)
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Summary
All the Democrats want for Christmas is Impeachment, but that's not what they want this Christmas. All they want is an indictment of Trump from the Special Counsel, Robert Mueller, who is investigating whether or not Trump colluded with Russia in the 2016 election.
Transcript
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All the Democrats want for Christmas is impeachment.
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It doesn't really work that way, does it? But that's really all they want for Christmas is impeachment.
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Their best hope for seeing President Trump removed from office is a special counsel into the collusion investigation.
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Now, they're terrified that Trump might fire Mueller while the investigation is still underway.
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Last week, the Department of Justice provided Congress with a large batch of text messages from former members of the special counsel's team.
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Many of the text messages were hostile towards Trump.
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Several Republican congressmen are criticizing the integrity now of the special counsel, adding fuel to Trump's claim that the investigation is nothing more than a witch hunt.
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As if things aren't dicey enough already over the weekend, a lawyer for Trump's transition team suggested Mueller inappropriately gained access to thousands of transition team emails from government servers.
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Legal analysts say Mueller didn't break any rules, but the debate is giving Republican critics more reason to cry foul.
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So now Democrats say the right is trying to shut down the whole investigation.
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Democrats have never been so concerned about the rule of law until now.
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Yesterday, the former attorney general, Eric Holder weighed in.
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Oh, was easy because he is what he knows the law.
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When a former attorney general weighs in, he tweeted that firing Mueller was an absolute red line.
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Holder also spoke on behalf of the vast majority of American people.
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In warning Republicans that any attempt to remove Mueller will not be tolerated.
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Don't you love it the way progressives always speak on behalf of the vast majority of people, even though they usually don't represent the vast majority of people?
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Meanwhile, President Trump told reporters Sunday night he is not going to fire Mueller.
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Democrats just want to get to the truth of the investigation.
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And that's true, as long as the truth leads to the outcome, you know, that they desire, which is Trump's impeachment.
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Democrats want this so desperately to be Watergate, which is saying something because they worship Watergate like it was a sacred holiday.
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Three months after Nixon resigned from office, Democrats gained 53 seats in Congress in the 1974 midterm election.
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Republicans wouldn't gain control of both houses again for 20 years.
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Boy, Republicans and Democrats should learn something from this.
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The 1974 midterm marked the most magical liberal transformation of Congress in history.
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And it's the same reason that the biggest wish on their Christmas list this year is an airtight indictment of Trump from the special counsel.
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Unfortunately for the left, when Christmas comes, you have to behave well to get what you want for Christmas.
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I think perhaps maybe I can speak, not for the vast majority of Americans, I'm sure, but for a lot of Americans.
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I've never felt more like a parent to the country than I do right now.
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Right now, I just want you to do exactly what I told you to do.
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Just get the stuff done that you said you were going to do.
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I need you to get down to the very bottom layer of what the hell is Russia doing in our country.
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Nobody is actually saying that we're in trouble because Russia has infiltrated both sides.
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They released information that caused the Democrats to turn on themselves.
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It caused the Democrats to say, wait a minute, you're this whole thing is dirty.
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You just screwed Bernie Sanders and you knew exactly what you were doing.
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So and Trump, his people played right into their hands.
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Both parties played right into Vladimir Putin's hands.
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We now have an investigation on Trump, which has caused people to lose faith in what?
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The Republicans, the media, Donald Trump, the system.
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And on the other side, you've got the Democrats beating each other up, splitting the party.
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They don't believe in their fellow Americans anymore.
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Gee, if I went back and I looked at what the FBI was saying that Vladimir Putin was trying to do, or if I really wanted to know for sure, go back to the people around Vladimir Putin and see where they set it on record, what they were trying to do.
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And that is to cause the American people to lose trust in the democratic system.
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And so we'll just we'll just sit here and and argue over who's going to get power instead of actually diagnosing the problem and then saying, hey, why don't we cure this disease?
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Yesterday, yesterday, yesterday, yesterday I was driving into going to church and I wanted to put some Christmas music on.
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So I I just went to iTunes and I went to the browse section.
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I looked at the playlist and I went to essential Christmas music and turn it on.
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I didn't find anything about Christmas actually about Christmas, you know, Christmas.
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So I, I, I tried to find a, well, maybe, maybe R and B for the holidays.
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The closest I could get was little drummer girl.
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As I'm looking through all these and letting one of the playlists play, an Andy Williams song comes on.
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It's the most wonderful time of the year with the kids jingle belling.
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I don't even know what jingle belling is, but are your kids jingle belling?
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I think I'm probably the one in life going, you know, let's just try to, you know, be a good cheer.
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With those holiday greetings, maybe holiday, happy holiday, and the gay happy meetings.
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No, we've taken the party thing so far that we feel guilty when we don't go to somebody's cookie party.
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We haven't done something that we were supposed to do.
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I don't know anybody who toast marshmallows at Christmas time.
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I immediately thought of my son trying to get him and my children to actually read or watch a Christmas carol.
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And Christmases long, long ago, the tales of Christmases long, long ago, that is probably the only thing left.
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Where we can talk about what Christmas was like growing up with our grandparents.
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But we do that right on the holiday or right before the holiday.
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We have taken Christmas and we have, there's no war on Christmas.
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And it really isn't even, it's not even about the birth of the child.
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It's what he did at the end of his life that makes all the difference.
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It's amazing to me that we miss the point of Christmas.
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And yet, a few days later, we swear it's going to be a new year.
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If you miss the point of Christmas, how could you possibly change?
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It's the most wonderful time of the year because we did used to be kinder to each other.
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Because it was about our families and it was about what the season meant.
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You know, the first time Santa really came to America was in Harper's Bazaar.
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And it was during, I think it was 1960 or 1862.
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And it was a way to try to bring America back together.
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We didn't celebrate by buying each other a whole bunch of crap.
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In fact, we didn't even take the day off as a holiday.
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We felt it was too sacred of a day to make it garish by taking the day off.
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And then, quietly at home, you reflected on the meaning.
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Do you know why Thanksgiving is always the, what is it, the last, the second, no, the last Thursday before December?
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But FDR, during the Second World War, I'm sorry, before the Second World War, in the 1930s, during the Depression, locked it in to jumpstart the economy.
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Encouraging people, like George Bush did after September 11th, do your patriotic duty and go shopping.
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I want the most wonderful time of the year back again.
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And the only way that happens is if we just remember it in our own personal life.
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And let's just start in our own personal lives.
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Just recognizing that a week from today, we don't celebrate.
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We commemorate what that child that was born grew up to do.
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You don't like, you don't like the Christmas songs.
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And you just went through line by line and dissected it like you were...
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And said that none of that is happening anymore.
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No, I don't think I want scary ghost stories in the middle of Christmas.
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If you jump back and take the long view of the entire history of Christmas, it has never
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The Roman government, when they adapted Christianity, forced...
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But the interesting part is we forced Christ into it, and then it takes 2,000 years for
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them to pry him out of it, so we've come back full circle to a method of totally pagan
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John, I appreciate your point of view, and you're right in some ways.
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This happened right around the Dark Ages, and when the churches split and there was a
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reformation, they wanted to get rid of Santa and everything else, and the churches ended
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up actually having little children deliver presents dressed as Christ, which was weird.
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Um, I'm not talking about the actual, you know, pagan rituals, and you're right.
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What I'm talking about is Americans used to keep Christmas as a holy day and a holy time,
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It's really now about parties and shopping, and quite honestly, it's getting tiring.
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It's supposed to be a time of reflection and peace and family.
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Because it's like, you know, we, we were talking about this this week, and we had a, I've never
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And not just like Christmas parties for kids, but like the, you know, Christmas parties with
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your friends that are adults where like there's drinking and there's, I mean, no, this is not
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you, but saying for other, potentially other fun people or more degenerate people, whatever
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Um, but there, we had, we had so many of them and every one of them has been individually
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Like I've had good times at all of them, but there's so many of them.
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And I feel like you get to that point where you're just scheduling yourself as if it's
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You just, it becomes, Oh geez, what do we have to do tonight?
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But it's just becoming this, this, this list of things you have to do.
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This is one thing we're very guilty of is we have a bunch of Christmas traditions that
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Like some of them are things going back to me and my wife when we were together before
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And then as we've had two kids, each time we've had the holiday come around, we've had
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new traditions with them and all of them are great.
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But, but you wind up every year adding like two more traditions to the point of all you're
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doing is scheduling how the hell are you going to get from one tradition to the next
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I'm just going to say something here and I'm going to, I'm just going to leave it alone.
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But everybody who knows knows that damn elf is going to be the death of me.
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If I could meet the person that brought that into our life.
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The point here is the same thing with like, I love doing Christmas things.
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I also love sports and I love sports with my kids.
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You know, I remember growing, some of my best memories are, you know, playing sports with
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But you can get to a point where all you're doing is you're a human shuttle and you're going
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That's also what the holiday meal has become, because the more people that marry in, you
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And so is by the time you get, you know, your children married, you've got like 40 side
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We're just, we're just, we feel such a load of responsibility that it has to be perfect.
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For it to be like a great party or a great something or other.
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Wait, but I mean, when you go to a party, it's not, the pressure's not on you for the
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It's not that I get invited to parties, but you know, you just, that's Valentine's
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Well, I mean, there's some pressure on Valentine's Day.
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Today's my first date anniversary, which I still celebrate.
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Right before the holiday, which is really stupid.
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I should have waited to date her until January.
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So now I have to come up with a good, like, I don't know, something, dinner, night, present,
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And it's one week before Christmas, which we will take our bank account and bring it down
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to zero to make sure the kids have, I don't know, whatever toy they're supposed to have.
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I'm at that point now where Lisa, the other day, my wife, she says, we're all done with
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Like, I kind of want to be involved in the Christmas shopping.
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And I'm like, they all, she's like, don't get them anything else.
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All I did was pay for all the Christmas presents.
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Now, it's not going to work as well as it does with grandparents.
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Because now as a grandparent, I have this over my children's heads all the time.
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And I have noticed as a grandfather that there are really noisy toys that just don't end.
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And so what you do is you tell, if Lisa's staying at home with the kids, then what you do is you just say, you know, this season we're going to pass it.
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But if you shop for the kids without me next year, I'm going to find the loudest, noisiest toy that the kids will love.
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It doesn't work as well for you because you actually have to live in the home too.
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Because you could deal with a loud toy, you know, every few days or weeks when you pop in.
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We're trying to get a particular present and this present I went to Toys R Us for because
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They've taken a toy name and they've named it after a small potato.
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I guess they're like little like toys that you put on your fingers and then they like
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attach to your fingers and then you could talk to them.
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Like they're little like little creatures, I guess.
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So I went in there and asked for them and the guy looked at me like, like, are you crazy?
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Like, yeah, it was like almost he was insulted that I brought it up.
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The idea that I could just walk into Toys R Us at like 7 p.m. on a particular day and buy
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a fingerling, which, by the way, is available in the next door over because that's a grocery
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But he looked at his strategy was, look, what you can do to get one of these is call every
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So call them previous to the actual opening time.
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Hope to get someone on the phone and then they will tell you if overnight they received
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a shipment and if so, be there at opening because if you're not there within the first
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I'm sure I can pay triple on eBay and get this and get this delivered to my house.
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Kids, you know, when we watched Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer and he was back in Santa's
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If you go back and you look at that footage, that's an old Christmas bulb in his nose and
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And he was laying down asleep in the hay in the barn and it caught fire.
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But here's a, here's a bucket of potatoes for you.
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Before you do any more Christmas shopping, do this.
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We have a guest on that I hope to have on more than once.
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A friend of mine turned me on to him here recently.
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And you might have heard about him through another story.
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Remember the professor or the student teacher at a college up in Canada, it happened a few
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months ago, that was trying to teach, you know, how to think critical thinking.
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Um, and they were talking about, um, gender issues.
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And so she presented the, you know, one side, and then she said, now let me play a video and,
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Well, somebody was offended, uh, that this person on the video was saying, you know, this is pretty
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silly, you know, to, to, to come up with new names and, and everything else.
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And, um, she was called in and, uh, the, uh, college reprimanded her and suspended her and
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said that, uh, playing that video was akin to playing a speech by Adolf Hitler.
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So we looked up the speech and it was Dr. Jordan Peterson, and it wasn't a Hitler speech.
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He is really, really well thought out and, uh, well respected by those people who don't
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believe in political correctness, uh, in Canada.
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Here's, here's just a little taste of, of how he thinks this is the difference.
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Yeah, well, kindness is the excuse that social justice warriors use when they want to exercise
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So, you know, if we're bandying back and forth, uh, our, our differences in values, you know,
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um, I, I would say that the highest possible value is truth and that, uh, one of the concomitants
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is that, is that, is that we need stringent protection for freedom of speech so that we can
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And I think that that's a value that's much higher than, than kindness, for example.
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I mean, there's lots of situations in life where, where kindness in the immediate present
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is not the appropriate way to, to react at all.
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But so, for example, when you discipline children, you often hurt their feelings in the short term
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so that they can learn to behave properly, um, in the medium to long term so that their
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lives go well. And so this automatic assumption that the people on the social justice warrior
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side of the equation are motivated only by kindness when they're also clearly motivated
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by power is something I find completely untenable. And I don't think that Pete's solution to program
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my cell phone so that I can remember what names people need to be called is a reasonable solution
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at all. We're, we're actually supposed to now use electronic devices to bolster our ability
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to speak freely. It's going to be a, an interesting hour, uh, coming up Jordan Peterson. And he's got a
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new book coming out next month called 12 rules for life. The antidote to chaos. I find it fascinating
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that that's what he says we're going through right now. Chaos. And he's right. And, uh, it's what we've
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been talking about on this program for a long time. So how do we get rid of the chaos? He says,
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he's got 12 rules that will help you do it. Uh, we'll talk to him and, and talk to him about
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political correctness and, uh, freedom of speech. And, you know, what does it mean anymore? Freedom
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of speech. Do we have it anymore? He's coming up in a second. Do you see, um, Ted Cruz, uh, go after
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Mark Hamill? Was he going, was it going? No, no, no. Well, Mark Hamill was going after Ted Cruz.
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Yeah. Yeah. Uh, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's pretty remarkable. If you read anything from the
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right, the headline is Ted Cruz crushes Mark Hamill. You go over to Huffington post.
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They say the Mark Hamill crushes Ted Cruz. Yeah. Yeah. Um, that's the internet. Yeah, I know.
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Listen to this. So, uh, to Hamill look, uh, Luke, I know Hollywood can be confusing,
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but, uh, it was Vader who supported government power over everything and said and done on the
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internet. That's why giant corporations, Google, Facebook, next net Netflix supported the FCC power
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of, uh, of net neutrality, reject, reject the dark side, free the net Ted Cruz. Now listen,
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this is, this is the response. Thanks for the smarm spaining it to me, Ted Cruz. I know politics
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can be confusing, but you'd have more credibility if you stayed, if you spelled my name correctly. I
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mean, it's right there in front of you. Maybe you're just distracted from watching porn at the
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office again. Of course. Uh, and, and this, this is because Hamill was the first one, right? That
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went to him, went at him because he posted a picture of some star Wars thing. So I mean, it's just
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Cruz responded rather than insults. Try a civil discussion of facts. Fact one until 2015,
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the FCC had no authority over the internet. The net grew free and unregulated fact to with
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net neutrality. The FCC declared power to regulate everything said and done on the internet. That's
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bad for freedom. Ted Cruz. Luke is not pulling out his, uh, his, uh, his, his little lightsaber
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anymore to go against Ted Cruz. I highly recommend that you don't try to go after Ted Cruz because
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he'll slice you to ribbons. Yeah. He's a little smarter than he's. What was, what did Dershowitz
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say about him? Uh, the smartest student he'd ever had in his entire time teaching. Yeah. You might
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want to stay away from that. You probably don't want to mess with him. If you, well, if you're the
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guy who, who plays Luke Skywalker and if you've had one, then you had a minor, you know, three
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decade absence and then played Luke Skywalker again. I mean, you've had one job. He actually
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has had a lot of voice work and stuff, which everyone points out. But, uh, you know, I
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honestly thought that they, the reason why he, you know, I thought they were going to try
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to hide him quite a bit in these movies. He actually does a pretty good job in this.
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I hear this is the best he's ever been acting wise. Has to be, but I mean, the hurdle is
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low. Glenn Beck. Love, courage, truth. Glenn Beck. Vulnerable. Entitlement. Diversity. Transgender.
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Fetus. Evidence-based. Science-based. These are the seven words that the Trump administration
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reportedly has banned the CDC from using in its 2019 budget proposals. If this is true,
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it's a clear attempt to target progressive causes and an early Christmas present for those who are
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hungry for red meat. After the report on the ban was published by the Washington Post, the CDC's
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director insisted, there are no banned words at the CDC. And we're going to continue to talk about
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all the important health programs for the public, but the damage was already done. Everyone on the
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left is outraged by the supposed ban. Those on the left don't like it when words are banned.
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Wow. I have to say, I understand your feeling. I'm never happy when any words are banned.
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If this was the Trump administration's way of depoliticizing the CDC kind of backfired there,
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just make Republicans look like they hate science and trans people and, you know, all of that garbage.
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here's what I think the CDC, the center for disease control and prevention should stick to controlling
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and preventing disease. That's it. Their budget of $7 billion should go all of it every dime to that
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and nothing else. Another idea for you, just stick to the blueprint. There is no need to ban any more words.
00:39:24.720
It's Monday, December 18th. This is the Glenn Beck program.
00:39:34.860
So a couple of weeks ago, a friend of mine introduced me via YouTube to a guy named Jordan
00:39:42.400
Berndt Peterson. He is a clinical psychologist and cultural critic and professor of psychology at the
00:39:53.100
University of Toronto. He's a man that apparently makes a lot of people angry. At least those who are
00:40:01.540
progressives and diehards on the left. We're pleased to have him on with us now. Professor, how are you, sir?
00:40:14.000
I'm good. I'm a new, I'm a new fan of yours. And quite honestly, one of the most remarkable things
00:40:24.460
I've, I've heard you say, at least on a YouTube clip, you were asked the question about whether
00:40:29.520
you believed in the resurrection. And I thought it was such a thoughtful answer and such a brave answer
00:40:37.800
that I became an immediate, immediate fan. Do you remember your answer?
00:40:44.960
I don't remember that. I don't remember the specific answer that you're referring to. So I'm afraid I can't
00:40:52.460
comment on it further, but I'm glad that you found it useful. I mean, it's a very difficult question,
00:40:58.960
Can you answer it now? I'd like to see where you stand today, if it's the same place.
00:41:03.480
Well, most of what I've been doing, I've done a 15-part lecture series online on the Bible,
00:41:11.260
but I've been approaching it psychologically, which is not to say that it can't be approached
00:41:18.000
religiously or theologically or as literature in many different ways, but I've been approaching
00:41:22.360
it psychologically. And there's a deep psychological idea behind the symbol of the resurrection,
00:41:32.200
which is obviously an extraordinarily powerful idea. It's gripped billions of people for
00:41:37.280
thousands of years. It's an overwhelmingly powerful idea. And the psychological idea is that
00:41:44.080
in order for human beings to be redeemed, in order for our psyches to be renewed, we have to be willing
00:41:51.100
to let that part of us that's unworthy die so that a better part can come to life. And you experience this
00:41:58.740
every time you encounter a serious setback in life. You know, if you're betrayed by someone or if you
00:42:03.340
make a catastrophic error, you have to go and go through your past life with a fine-toothed comb and
00:42:10.200
your assumptions and your axioms, and you have to find out which ones have served you badly and which
00:42:15.500
need to be cast into the fire, so to speak. And that's very, very painful. It's something that's very
00:42:21.320
hard for people to do, because the part of you that's made a mistake is alive, and it doesn't want
00:42:26.060
to be destroyed and revivified. But it's something that you need to continually engage in as you move
00:42:33.600
through life in order to stay on top of the ever-changing environment. It's like, you know, a forest has
00:42:40.220
to be renewed by fire, and the fire strips out the old growth and the deadwood, but it lets new things
00:42:46.200
come to life. And at minimum, from a psychological perspective, the idea of the resurrection
00:42:51.100
portrays that fundamental reality. It's the reality of being willing to let your old self die so that
00:43:00.500
your new self, your new better self, can come into being, which is a particularly useful thing to think
00:43:05.020
about around New Year's, right? Because that's something we dramatize at New Year's, with the death
00:43:09.360
of the old year and the rebirth of the new year. That's associated as well, obviously, with the idea
00:43:16.640
of Christmas and the dawn of something new and redemptive. So I don't know if that was the same
00:43:24.520
answer. It wasn't. That was a good one. It wasn't. I'll let others find your talk on that. But it was a
00:43:33.060
great answer. That was a good answer as well. I really wanted to talk to you because you've led
00:43:42.700
an interesting life, and the path that you have taken after you finished school, you went over to
00:43:50.720
Europe for about a year, and you decided to—you were moved by the fear of the Cold War and World War II,
00:44:00.440
and how could people do these things to each other? A very similar journey in some ways that I have
00:44:08.020
made in the last 10 years, and I am seeing the seeds of really disturbing things happening in our
00:44:16.500
society all around the world. And I'm wondering if you have an answer to understand it or to diffuse
00:44:25.880
what we seem to be building now. Well, I can—see, when I—I wrote a book in 1999 called Maps of
00:44:34.680
Meaning, which took me about 15 years to write. So I wrote it between 1985 and 1999, and during that
00:44:40.580
time, I was obsessed with the issues that you just described. And the issue—the issues for me were,
00:44:46.980
number one, how—and this is in relationship to the Cold War—how is it that the world could be split
00:44:53.840
into two opposing, let's say, ideological camps, or at least two idea-based camps, and that that split
00:45:01.760
manifested itself with such intensity that people on both sides of the divide were willing to put
00:45:09.420
the entire—what would you say?—put being itself at risk. Yes.
00:45:15.680
To arm ourselves so heavily that we could destroy—plausibly destroy everything, and that we might be willing
00:45:21.860
to do that. Why was it that people were so wedded to their beliefs and their opposing beliefs that that
00:45:27.300
seemed—well, that that developed, let's say, even though no one necessarily thought it was a good
00:45:32.100
idea. It obviously developed. And then a secondary question was, how is it that in the service of
00:45:39.220
ideological possession, let's say, people could commit acts of unbelievable brutality, like those that
00:45:45.460
characterized the death camps in Nazi Germany and the Gulag archipelago in the Soviet Union and the
00:45:53.140
absolute mayhem that reigned in Maoist China. I was interested in individual motivation,
00:46:00.340
not the motivation of groups so much, but how and why people could find themselves as individuals in
00:46:06.020
situations where they would be called upon and then commit acts of unimaginable brutality,
00:46:14.500
even when apparently normal in their psychological makeup. So I was trying to delve into those two
00:46:25.380
ideas. The first—in Maps of Meaning—the first thing I wanted to figure out was, in this ideological
00:46:31.780
war between the West and the Soviet Union, let's say, was that merely just a difference of opinion,
00:46:39.060
let's say, as the postmodernists might have it, because postmodernists don't believe any—that there
00:46:45.300
are any belief systems that have any more fundamental utility or reality than any others. And so I was
00:46:51.940
curious, was it just a matter of opinion, with the Soviet Union taking the communitarian stance,
00:46:58.260
let's say, and the West taking the capitalist democratic stance? But there was no right or wrong
00:47:03.380
at the bottom of that. It was just a matter of arbitrary power. So I spent a lot of time
00:47:07.700
investigating the understructure of those belief systems, partly as a consequence of reading people like
00:47:15.060
Nietzsche and Carl Jung and Alexander Solzhenitsyn and a variety of others, some very great people. And what I
00:47:22.740
concluded was that this was not merely a matter of matter of opinion, that there was something about the way we
00:47:28.340
constituted our belief systems in the West, predicated as they are on the Judeo-Christian
00:47:33.940
tradition, and that being in turn predicated on something even deeper, something of even evolutionary
00:47:41.940
significance, I would say. It made it quite evident to me that the idea of the supremacy of the
00:47:50.420
individual that's emerged in the West is by no means merely another opinion. And the reason for that is
00:47:57.540
is twofold, I think, is the first is that the state cannot be the answer to our problems, because
00:48:03.860
the state is static, as indicated by its very name. The state is static, and it's composed of the
00:48:10.100
contributions of the dead in the past. And no matter how great the dead were, they're dead, and they cannot
00:48:17.220
respond in a vital way to the challenges of the present. The individual has to do that. So even though the
00:48:23.060
state and tradition is necessary, which every conservative would note in a moment, it's the
00:48:30.260
individual that has to serve as the eyes and the voice of the state, and revisify it when necessary,
00:48:38.340
It's very much what you're saying is very similar to almost what Thomas Jefferson wrote about, that it is,
00:48:44.660
you know, we can write it down now, but this will change and should change, and every single generation has to
00:48:52.020
find it for themselves and has to defend it and live it for themselves. The dead should not rule beyond the grave.
00:49:00.260
Well, that's it. Well, and you know, you said that every generation has to rediscover it. There's a
00:49:05.620
motif that I've concentrated on quite extensively in Maps of Meaning, but also in my YouTube lectures,
00:49:11.140
which is the archetypal motif of rescuing the father from the belly of the beast. You see that,
00:49:18.420
for example, one of the popular manifestations of that was in the Pinocchio story that Disney did in
00:49:23.380
the 30s, right, where Pinocchio, to stop being a puppet, has to journey down to the darkest place there is.
00:49:30.260
And rescue his father. And that is the responsibility of the living to the past,
00:49:39.060
is that we have to go back, we have to go into chaos, and the chaos, let's say, right now,
00:49:44.420
being our current polarized political state, and find out what was wise and good and productive about
00:49:51.700
the past, and then lend it a new voice and new vision. And that makes the individual,
00:49:57.860
the individual who does that is then an optimal combination of that dynamic living vision and
00:50:03.620
voice that's also symbolized, by the way, by the Christian idea of the word and the traditions of
00:50:10.020
the past. And that's the solution. So you said, well, what's the solution to the to the polarization
00:50:16.740
that is is tearing us apart? Well, the polarization is a polarization of group identity,
00:50:22.260
right? It's the left pushes forward an identitarian perspective, where group identity is the paramount
00:50:31.860
feature of every individual. And then the right does the same thing. Now, they're doing it for
00:50:35.940
different reasons, but they're driven by the same belief that identification with the group is the
00:50:41.620
highest moral virtue. And that's, well, I would say that's wrong. You have to have respect for the
00:50:48.980
group, you have to have respect for your traditions and gratitude for them, rather than pride about them,
00:50:53.300
because you didn't produce them, which is another reason why I think racial pride and even pride in
00:50:58.420
tradition is a very bad idea. Pride is a sin, and it goes before a fall. You should be humble and
00:51:05.940
grateful for what the past has given to you, and you should strive to embody the best of it and to
00:51:11.460
revivify it, and you should act as an individual. And I do believe that the path of the divine
00:51:17.540
individual, let's say, is actually the proper redemptive path. And I believe that that's the
00:51:22.980
central message. Well, I think it's the central message of Judaism, especially with regards to the
00:51:27.620
prophetic tradition. But it's most definitely the central message of Christianity, because Christianity
00:51:34.340
puts forward the notion that the individual partakes of divinity. And one of the things I
00:51:41.300
pointed out in my biblical lectures is that there's an idea in Genesis, which I've studied in depth,
00:51:49.300
that at the beginning of time, God creates order out of chaos with the Word. And so the idea there,
00:51:55.380
the psychological idea there, is that there's something about communicative and productive,
00:52:01.860
honest speech that encounters chaos and the unknown. That's the tohu vabohu that exists
00:52:09.380
before the beginning of the universe. And that truthful and positive words spoken forth brings
00:52:17.940
order out of chaos, brings habitable order out of chaos. That's the creation story in Genesis. And
00:52:23.700
part of that creation story is the idea that human beings are made in the image of God.
00:52:28.660
And what that means is that we have the capacity and the moral obligation to speak truth to the
00:52:36.660
to orient ourselves to the good and speak truth and to bring habitable order out of chaos. And that's
00:52:43.220
if we don't do that, then then then what and chaos? Well, then chaos reigns and things deteriorate into hell.
00:52:51.620
And I think that's where we're headed back in just a minute with Dr. Jordan Peterson.
00:52:57.700
You say that we're headed to chaos. I mean, we are, I mean, we are seeing it grow every single day.
00:53:03.220
And it's because we're stifling speech. Dr. Jordan Peterson, psychology professor,
00:53:09.700
University of Toronto. You can find him on YouTube and watch, watch the Pinocchio, uh, YouTube. It's
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Glenn back. Glenn back. We are thrilled to have Jordan Peterson on. He is a professor at the
00:54:45.060
University of Toronto and a fearless, uh, defender of the truth. Um, you get into a lot of trouble for
00:54:53.460
the things that you say, uh, because you don't agree with political correctness at all. And, um,
00:54:58.580
uh, you know, we're struggling now with a way to tell the truth, um, uh, and not be destroyed by it.
00:55:12.340
Well, the first thing is, is that, you know, from one perspective, I've gotten a lot of trouble, but
00:55:18.260
I would say the net consequence has been overwhelmingly positive in all sorts of ways,
00:55:23.220
both personal and social. But I would also say a lot of it, Glenn,
00:55:27.300
as a matter of having your fears in order, like there's no doubt that telling the truth is a
00:55:32.660
risky enterprise, but it's, it's not even, it's no, it's not even, even in the same category
00:55:40.500
of risky as not telling the truth. Like the thing is, is the consequences of telling the truth might
00:55:47.060
be immediate and, and self-evident and, and the consequences of failing to speak the truth,
00:55:53.620
hiding, say, or lying are deferred and medium to long-term, but they're much more grotesque and
00:56:00.180
terrible. I mean, deceit and, and sins of omission, like failing to say what you really think to be
00:56:06.260
the case, it warps your character and it, and it, it sets you up for a terrible fall in the future.
00:56:11.780
And so, you know, people have been commending me on my bravery over the last year. And I think in some
00:56:16.740
sense, it's misguided because I'm not so much brave, I think, as terrified of the right thing.
00:56:22.660
And the last thing that I want to do, and this is, I think, partly because of what I realized
00:56:27.620
by analyzing what happened in Nazi Germany and in the Soviet Union and so forth, is the last thing
00:56:33.380
I'm willing to do is to sacrifice my voice, let's say. Like I'm way more terrified of that than of
00:56:40.000
anything else. And I, and I, and I, I just think that I don't think of that as a metaphysical
00:56:44.480
statement. I think, although it is, I think of it as a practical statement. If you lose your character
00:56:50.240
because you lose your voice, then well, as, as the Pinocchio movie puts it, you become a brain
00:56:57.200
jackass, a puppet, you stay a puppet and become a brain jackass. And, and that's a really bad idea.
00:57:04.320
You end up sold to the salt mines when that happens. It's not a good thing.
00:57:09.540
Jordan Peterson, he is coming out with a new book in January, and I'd love to have him back,
00:57:15.180
12 Rules for Life, An Antidote to Chaos. We're going to continue our conversation with him in,
00:57:22.800
in just a second. You can find him online and YouTube, just, just Google search Jordan Peterson,
00:57:31.040
Dr. Jordan Peterson. And, uh, I think you will, you will spend the day really hearing the truth,
00:57:59.320
The guy I want you to, uh, get to know, his name is Jordan
00:58:02.900
B. Peterson. Jordan B. Peterson, uh, dot com is his web address. You can just, uh, find him. He is,
00:58:10.840
um, on YouTube. Uh, he's written several books. He's got a new one coming out in January, 12 Rules for
00:58:17.140
Life, An Antidote to Chaos. I actually have an advanced copy. I'm going to be reading it over
00:58:20.900
the holiday. Um, uh, professor, I'm, I'm glad to have you, uh, glad to have you on. Um, and maybe
00:58:27.640
you can help us find some, um, some meaning or, uh, or a direction to go here. Both sides here in
00:58:35.020
America. I'm, I'm sure you're aware of what's happening here in America. It's gotten a little
00:58:39.760
nuts. Um, it's the same in Canada. Is it? Oh yes. It's very bad. Um, we're, we're, we're sitting
00:58:47.500
here now arguing over fake news and, and it's amazing if you are, if you're somebody who just
00:58:53.320
doesn't have a side, your side is the truth. You're looking at both sides saying you're both lying
00:59:00.380
and you're both telling the truth. It just depends on when and where, uh, and most people don't have
00:59:07.980
a way to find the truth or at least they're just, they're, they're willing just to, uh, go with
00:59:16.940
whatever is on their side. And so the truth is, uh, kind of everywhere and yet nowhere in America.
00:59:26.340
How do you find the truth? How do you know what truth is? Well, the first thing I would say is that
00:59:33.220
you have to be very careful if when making a claim that you can find the truth or that you know what
00:59:40.440
the truth is, but, but this question can still be answered. And I would say that the way to start
00:59:46.120
allying yourself with the truth, which is a good idea, by the way, because the truth reflects reality
00:59:52.160
and it's good to have reality on your side since there's a lot of it and not very much of you.
00:59:56.980
The first thing you do is restrict falsehood. And so I would say that if people are interested in
01:00:03.960
telling the truth and abiding by the truth, which is the most practical thing you can do,
01:00:08.440
that the first thing you do is to stop lying. And you can tell when you're lying, you can do that by
01:00:13.980
omission, you know, by failing to say something you believe to be true or by commission, by actually
01:00:18.680
being deceitful. You can tell if you're doing that because it makes you weak. It makes you feel
01:00:24.120
physically weak and ashamed. And everyone knows that. That's the voice of conscience.
01:00:29.520
And we, we, because we're imaginative and because we can distort and manipulate our perceptions and
01:00:35.280
our language, we're very tempted to live out falsehoods and to perceive falsehoods. You start,
01:00:41.160
you have to, you have to start humbly sort of in your own, well, there's this advice I've been
01:00:47.600
giving to people that's become somewhat of an internet meme, which is, I think someone just sent me 50
01:00:52.840
bumper stickers with this on it. I've been telling people to clean their rooms, you know, because
01:00:56.900
one of the things I've noticed with the college type activists is that there are very frequently
01:01:03.320
young people who have no control whatsoever over their own personal life. Everything about them is
01:01:08.900
in disarray. And yet they're possessed by the idea that they can critique the general social structure
01:01:16.040
and that they have the wisdom to put it right. It's like you should attend to your own mistruths to
01:01:22.920
begin with in your own personal life, in your own family, and, and, and get that straight. It's very
01:01:29.460
difficult. That's why it says in the New Testament that you should remove the beam of wood from your
01:01:36.680
eye before you worry about the dust moat in your neighbor's eye. That's a very wise statement. And it's not
01:01:43.060
one that people like to hear because, you know, when we want to come out for the truth, we want to
01:01:47.720
do it in a grand gesture so that everyone notices. But to come out for the truth is something that you
01:01:52.860
do humbly and privately. And even with a certain degree of embarrassment and shame, because you
01:01:58.100
become aware very rapidly of how many petty and terrible ways you're distorting your relationship
01:02:04.740
with reality. And it's embarrassing. But I don't know if people are embarrassed by, I mean,
01:02:09.880
there are people who, you know, you know, you've gotten in trouble with them that will look you
01:02:15.080
straight in the eye and say, there is no biological difference between a man and a woman. Well, that
01:02:20.360
is just, I don't know. I don't know if they'll look me straight in the eye and say that, you know
01:02:24.880
what I mean? And, and, and, and, and I don't, my, my experience has been in situations like that,
01:02:30.980
that words, like words of that form are not put forward with any strength. And one of the things
01:02:36.440
that's happened to me, Glenn, in the last year, that's been extraordinarily interesting, and I'm
01:02:40.820
unbelievably fortunate that it's occurred, is that every time I've been attacked by people who are
01:02:47.100
putting forward the kind of ideology that you've been describing, it has backfired unbelievably
01:02:52.300
spectacularly. And so these, these untruths, let's say, they reveal themselves in people's gestures and
01:03:00.260
attitudes. They make people resentful and vengeful. That's, that's the worst of it. But they also
01:03:05.640
deprive their words of any real strength, which is partly why they have to be put forward
01:03:10.300
with such vehemence and force and, and ideological exactitude, because there's nothing really
01:03:16.420
behind them. And, and, well, that becomes quite evident, well, that becomes quite evident in
01:03:25.420
Um, what does it mean to be a Christian anymore?
01:03:34.360
What it should mean, what it should mean is, and I'm speaking psychologically again here,
01:03:39.020
let's say, I mean, Christ is the archetypal perfect man, whatever that means. It's a concept
01:03:45.640
that's really beyond understanding, because we don't know our full extension, we don't know our
01:03:50.680
full possibility or potentiality. I mean, Christ himself said that people, the people that he left
01:03:56.140
behind could do works greater than his if they were willing to undertake the arduous pathway necessary
01:04:02.640
to make that occur. So there's no underestimating the potential power and grandeur and nobility of
01:04:09.020
the individual. But the problem is that it requires, it requires the adoption of, of infinite
01:04:16.520
responsibility, let's say. You know, one of the things that characterizes Christ, technically
01:04:21.380
speaking, is that he took the sins of the world unto himself. And that can be interpreted
01:04:27.400
psychologically as well. Like when I was reading about Auschwitz, and about the behavior of the
01:04:32.280
camp guards in Auschwitz, I wasn't reading about some evil Nazi who wasn't me doing these things.
01:04:45.580
And that's a terrible thing to apprehend. And to be a Christian, say in any real sense, is to
01:04:55.420
understand first that you bear the moral burden of the 20th century. And that it's up to you to do
01:05:03.120
something about it. And not to change other people, but to put yourself together so that if
01:05:08.940
the political situation warped and twisted around and you were called on to do something
01:05:14.760
reprehensible, that you would have the strength of character to refuse to do it.
01:05:20.560
But to even develop that, you have to understand first that you're the person in the
01:05:24.800
concentration camp who's having the, you know, the person who's just been hauled off the
01:05:31.300
rail cars, crammed in there like cattle, lined up and then sentenced to carry a wet sack of salt
01:05:40.080
that weighs 100 pounds from one side of the compound to another and back. And that you're
01:05:45.500
the person who would enjoy doing that to someone in such a terrible situation. Well, that's what it
01:05:51.540
means, at least in part, to be Christian. It means to, first of all, come to terms with the fact that
01:05:56.720
the terrible corruption and malevolence of human beings is something that characterizes you and that
01:06:03.280
you have an obligation to understand that and to work, to rectify it. Because the consequence of not
01:06:12.080
doing it is dreadful beyond imagining. And so it's very difficult for people to do that. You know, in
01:06:20.240
Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov, there's a little story called The Grand Inquisitor, where Christ comes back to
01:06:26.280
birth in Seville during the time of the Spanish Inquisition. And he's raising the dead and performing
01:06:33.140
miracles and being a generally good guy and causing a lot of trouble. And the Inquisitor has him arrested
01:06:39.420
and thrown into prison and to be executed. And the Inquisitor tells him that the burden that he's placed
01:06:47.060
on human beings is just too great and that the Church has spent centuries trying to modify his
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demand so that normal people could tolerate it. And there's really something to that. The burden, the moral
01:07:00.060
burden that's placed on someone who claims to be a Christian is fundamentally unbearable. But the alternative
01:07:06.440
is worse. So that's where we're at. You need to bear the burden and the responsibility of constraining evil in your
01:07:14.500
own heart and then trying to work to make the world a better place. Or you exist in the hell that you produce for
01:07:20.460
not doing so. I am struck by the fact that courage really is a muscle and misunderstood.
01:07:39.580
You're not going to be able to rise to the occasion in horrific situations like in the past in the 20th
01:07:49.460
century. If you don't rise to the occasion now, if you don't...
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Yes, that's exactly right. Well, which also shows you that what you do right now, day to day, the way
01:08:00.060
you conduct yourself with your husband or wife and at work and with your family, despite the fact that
01:08:06.080
those things are day to day, they're not mundane or trivial. They're vitally important because you put
01:08:12.540
your finger on it precisely. It's that if you can manifest a good character under normal circumstances,
01:08:19.080
then perhaps you'll have developed the sort of character that will enable you to stand up properly
01:08:26.120
in the midst of a catastrophe. And one of the things that I've been telling the people who've
01:08:31.000
been watching my videos, say, who are overwhelmingly young men, by the way, is that they should strive to
01:08:37.640
be the person who's the most reliable, who they should strive to be the most reliable person at
01:08:43.800
their father's funeral. That's a good goal. That's a goal that it's indicative of the development of
01:08:52.000
some tragic, of a proper tragic, tragic sensibility with regards to life and, and the formulation of
01:08:58.360
some real character in the face of that tragedy. Now, and young people now are fed such a diet of
01:09:03.740
pablum, you know, they're told to develop their self-esteem and to be happy and, and to be free and
01:09:08.940
to, to, to follow their impulses wherever they might lead. And it's, it's, it's not nourishing.
01:09:15.240
Young men in particular are dying. I mean, literally, they're dying because of that. They're dying
01:09:19.660
spiritually and they're dying. Well, they're, they're dying in actuality as well, because
01:09:23.900
being, being human requires a noble mode of being. You can't tolerate yourself if you, if you're weak and,
01:09:32.820
and deceitful and arrogant and resentful. You just hate yourself. And that's, and then you do harm to
01:09:39.660
yourself and to others. It's much better to be called forward to do something noble and courageous.
01:09:44.360
And I've been absolutely struck, Glenn, that the thing that's been most surprising in the last year,
01:09:49.420
I would say, is when I'm doing my public talks. And this is especially evident in this biblical
01:09:53.700
series, which has been packed, by the way, it's sold out every day, every time we, we, we've hosted one,
01:09:59.680
which is completely bizarre. But anyways, every time in those public forum, where I talk about
01:10:06.300
responsibility and truth to these audiences, mostly of young men, they're on the edge of their
01:10:11.940
seats, man, you can hear a pin drop. It's every time. It's intense. And I think it's because since
01:10:19.060
the mid 60s, no one's taken young people and young men in particular and shook them and said, look,
01:10:25.040
you know, you're not who you could be, get your act together, just stand up, tell the truth,
01:10:32.200
take your place in the world and, and, and, and fortify our culture instead of being whiny and
01:10:39.480
resentful and weak and nihilistic and cowardly and ideologically possessed, immature.
01:10:45.540
Sure. Dr. Jordan Peterson. Um, I don't even feel comfortable anymore calling you by your first
01:10:53.900
name, Dr. Peterson. I have to tell you, I get an opportunity to talk to a lot of amazing people and
01:11:00.540
I have met, uh, some truly great people. This has been, uh, the last 15 minutes has been, um,
01:11:09.280
one of the more remarkable, uh, times of my life. You are a, uh, you are a man for this time.
01:11:19.640
And, uh, I, I hope to be able to, uh, uh, meet you in person sometime, but we will be watching
01:11:26.600
from afar. I thank you for everything that you're doing. Well, thanks for the invitation,
01:11:32.240
and Merry Christmas to, to you and all your audience. Merry Christmas.
01:11:37.840
Yeah. I have to go back and find what he said about the, uh, resurrection, um, uh, and play it for
01:11:54.320
you because it was just so honest and so raw and so personal. Uh, and, uh, it's, it's amazing
01:12:05.260
because he, he said, I, I'm, I don't know what to think. I don't know what to think. You know,
01:12:11.380
my logic tells me no. Um, but everything in me says yes. And, uh, uh, and obviously a man who,
01:12:21.640
whether he's a Christian or not, boy, seems to exemplify Christianity.
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Jordan Peterson, uh, 12 rules for life is his book. I haven't read it yet, but we're just looking
01:14:03.620
through it in the, uh, uh, in the break. And it's, I mean, it's a lot of the stuff that we've
01:14:08.800
talked about here. I mean, maybe that's why I like him is, uh, I don't know, maybe he's
01:14:13.120
reinforcing my worldview and I don't know, maybe I'm falling into that trap. It's 2017. That's what
01:14:17.580
we all want out of the world. I know. I know. People that reinforce your worldview. But I mean,
01:14:20.760
this list of 12 things is fantastic. I mean, compare yourself to who you were yesterday,
01:14:24.720
not to some, not to who someone else is today. Just that, just that change the world. Oh my
01:14:30.720
gosh. Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world. Fantastic. Uh, pursue what
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is meaningful, not what is expedient. Hard. And then I like this one. Do not bother children while
01:14:40.340
they are skateboarding, but yeah, maybe we shouldn't hover as much as we do. I guess
01:14:45.320
is the point of that. I like maybe just a little bit. Glenn back. Love courage. True. Glenn
01:15:02.340
back. This half hour is going to be eye opening. Let's start here. Do you remember the scene
01:15:08.780
in saving private Ryan where fear, uh, grab that soldier? He was watching his buddy get
01:15:14.880
killed with a knife wielding Nazi, probably the most gut wrenching and fast forwarded scene
01:15:21.040
in, in the movie. I, because I just feel like, uh, would that be me? It's hard to watch being
01:15:28.740
paralyzed by fear and enabling evil are two things that are things that we just can't, we can't
01:15:36.260
wrap our arms around. Politico published an article yesterday alleging the Obama administration
01:15:43.260
was living and playing out that scene over and over and over again for the sake of the
01:15:49.640
Iranian deal. Fear and ambition caused them to look the other way while evil grew at unprecedented
01:15:57.180
levels. Project Cassandra. It was launched by the DEA in 2008. And over the following years,
01:16:04.520
they would be successful in mapping out an intricate web of global Hezbollah financing
01:16:10.740
operations that included drug trafficking from South America, money laundering here in the
01:16:16.880
United States and weapons procurement in both Syria and Iraq. Hezbollah was being run like
01:16:23.300
the Corleone family and the DEA had them dead to rights. Their criminal financing networks
01:16:30.220
were mapped out and their agents were identified. There wasn't a power on earth strong enough to
01:16:38.020
stop Hezbollah from going down after all of this evidence. That's what the DEA thought.
01:16:47.020
Turns out they didn't imagine the power of Obama's ambition. Reconciliation with Iran and a nuclear deal
01:16:55.980
that would catapult his legacy to new unreachable heights was the only thing his administration was
01:17:01.940
interested in. Former members of Project Cassandra alleged that their agents were purposely stonewalled
01:17:08.720
in order to keep Iran happy while Iran and Hezbollah were carving up the Middle East while they were
01:17:16.160
planning terrorist attacks and raking in billions in drug money. The Obama administration was looking the
01:17:22.400
other way with visions of sugarplum nuclear deals dancing in their heads. If this political story is
01:17:31.660
accurate, this is Obama's legacy. His blind ambition, not only enabling Iran and Hezbollah to become a
01:17:41.840
major power in the Middle East, but they did it by corrupting our values and flooding our streets with drugs.
01:17:49.820
Now here's a really interesting part of the story. They used our own businesses to launder the money
01:18:01.980
back to the Middle East. They used our own businesses? Back to that in a second. All of this for a nuclear deal
01:18:13.760
that could have been nothing more than a smokescreen, a distraction that a legacy-crazed U.S. president
01:18:21.260
would easily jump at to quench his unbridled thirst for ambition. And so, like that scene from Saving Private
01:18:28.160
Ryan, we may one day see this moment in our history as the most gut-wrenching and the most fast-forward
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It's Monday, December 18th. This is the Glenn Beck Program.
01:18:52.760
Do you remember the curious case of Amman Aron? Amman Aron. I can't even say it. Amman Aron.
01:19:06.760
You have to sing it. Amman Aron. Amman Aron. Amman Aron. I can't. Yeah, it can only sing it. Okay.
01:19:14.040
This is the congressional aide to Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Not only Debbie Wasserman Schultz, but a whole
01:19:21.160
fleet of high-level Democrats. This story has been buried. And then we saw the Politico story.
01:19:32.600
If there's one thing that we're good at on this program is connecting dots. This dot must be connected.
01:19:44.040
So here's this guy. He comes out of nowhere. He becomes the congressional aide to Debbie Wasserman
01:19:52.440
Schultz and everybody else. I mean, a whole list of very high-level Democrats. He was caught attempting
01:20:00.840
to flee to Pakistan after the U.S. Capitol Police suspected that his family was complicit in a massive
01:20:07.320
security breach. The further you delve into this case, the weirder it gets.
01:20:16.740
It looks like he is guilty of bank fraud, criminal misuse of house computer systems,
01:20:22.320
and a laundry list of shady connections and business dealings.
01:20:25.480
Now, Debbie Wasserman Schultz really didn't answer any of the charges. We haven't heard anything
01:20:39.540
about this story. This guy is hired to be a computer expert, an IT guy. Well, he's not
01:20:46.660
an IT guy. He has no IT experience. But he's an IT guy. So he goes to work for Debbie.
01:20:55.200
She then convinces other Democrats, you should use my IT guy.
01:21:01.500
Her IT guy is making like $150,000 a year. Congressional IT people make about $75,000.
01:21:07.940
Why was he paid twice? He must be really good. Well, he had a great staff. His family came to work.
01:21:15.000
They were making exorbitant salaries. They had no IT experience either. So here are these people
01:21:25.260
running computers and running, you know, all of the servers for several high-level Democrats
01:21:32.480
on Capitol Hill. And they didn't have any experience. And they were getting rich. In fact, so rich
01:21:40.240
that they started buying houses and then they wanted to, you know, do some banking fraud to make
01:21:48.800
even more money. They sold each other houses at the top of the market. So I would buy my brother's
01:21:55.880
house and my brother would buy my house. Then they bought a car dealership.
01:22:03.280
No one could understand why they bought a car dealership. In fact, when this first story first
01:22:13.100
broke, I was at the chalkboard and I said, car dealership, what would you do? What is up with
01:22:18.920
that? This story has not been seen completely put in the back of everyone's mind until the political
01:22:29.780
story came out yesterday that detailed Hezbollah's criminal financing network.
01:22:38.060
Hezbollah was engaged in narcotics trafficking from South America. The Obama administration
01:22:43.780
looked the other way. The drugs were being sold here in the U.S. and the money was being laundered
01:22:50.640
through used car dealerships. Billions of dollars were being moved in this manner to finance Iranian
01:23:00.720
and Hezbollah actions in the Middle East. This puts the one story in an in an interesting new
01:23:10.920
context. Context. Because one of his shady businesses was a used car dealership.
01:23:18.200
His brother managed the dealership's daily operation in addition to running computers
01:23:25.240
for the Democratic representatives. Shady doesn't even give justice to how strange this operation was.
01:23:33.300
Customers at the car dealership were often shown cars borrowed from a dealership next door.
01:23:40.960
A former employee said the business records were so bad that it was, quote, close to impossible
01:23:46.120
to make any sense out of all of the transactions that happened, end quote. Oh, but wait, it gets even
01:23:51.520
stranger. Records show that this family took a hundred thousand dollar loan out for the dealership
01:23:58.600
from Dr. Ali Al-Attar. Now, who is Mr. Attar? He's an Iraqi politician with links to Hezbollah.
01:24:10.600
He was actually seen meeting with a Hezbollah official in Lebanon shortly after Awan's acceptance of the
01:24:19.000
hundred thousand dollars. Dr. Attar was indicted in 2012 for tax fraud and fled to Iraq. Prior to that
01:24:27.080
indictment, he was a co-owner of the dealership with Awan. He had access to bank accounts.
01:24:34.420
Now, wait a minute. Doesn't this sound like exactly what was described in the recent political story
01:24:43.660
yesterday? The Awan family was operating a shady used car dealership and money from a guy with links
01:24:52.020
to Hezbollah was part of it. I wonder if what if what Iran and his family were caught doing
01:25:04.660
criminally misusing their access to house computer systems isn't the real reason why Democrats have
01:25:11.680
appeared to be protecting them. Democrats want this to go away. Why? Why?
01:25:19.660
What's really going on here? Was this one of the cogs in Hezbollah's international financing scheme
01:25:27.940
that Politico has just blown the lid on? Were they part of it? Was Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the
01:25:34.980
Democrats on Capitol Hill knowingly or unknowingly involved in money laundering for Hezbollah?
01:25:45.080
Because if that's not what's happening, this is one hell of a coincidence.
01:25:52.720
The circumstances between what Politico has described, what Hezbollah was doing, and what
01:26:00.320
this family in Capitol Hill were caught up in sound identical.
01:26:04.820
Everyone's been trying to find out why Debbie Wasserman Schultz has protected this family.
01:26:13.360
Did he have information on her? Or was there something bigger?
01:26:18.120
Were Democrats keeping this quiet as part of a larger plan to hide this type of activity
01:26:23.040
in the same way they were stonewalling the DEA in an effort to appease Iran?
01:26:41.460
Because if we weren't in the upside down, I would say we need a hearing.
01:26:47.220
But I don't trust any of the investigators on either side. Do you?
01:26:51.320
Do you really think anybody in Washington is really looking to get to the bottom of anything?
01:26:59.960
Do you think anybody in the media is really wanting to get to the bottom of anything?
01:27:05.100
How is it that an alcoholic former DJ can put these two stories together and say,
01:27:49.800
that maybe Stu will take us through here in a minute.
01:27:55.900
I'm interested in this past thing with Imran Awan.
01:28:00.940
In that, it's so bizarre, the coincidence between those two things,
01:28:06.460
that it would actually, it almost seems more odd if it was not connected.
01:28:11.900
And believe me, I think as you pointed out in there,
01:28:18.940
But it would be very strange, the whole car dealership angle.
01:28:26.420
Somehow or another, he just can't make ends meet.
01:28:46.700
gives him $100,000 to open up his car dealership.
01:28:51.240
He opens up his car dealership and he's selling cars that he has borrowed from the lot next door.
01:29:07.660
But then you when I mean, this is a lot of political has just they have just scratched the surface of this.
01:29:16.080
Because I'm sending, you know, I'm sending the connection to my friends on Capitol Hill today and say, hey, guys, maybe you should notice the Politico story and the Debbie Wasserman Schultz story from a few months ago.
01:29:31.060
That all of you pinheads apparently have forgotten about because they seem to fit together.
01:29:39.780
We're all running around trying to get everything done.
01:29:45.700
It is a party game, something that you can play with a whole family.
01:29:50.100
You can get it for yourself, for your family, for others.
01:29:55.080
If you happen to be going to a dinner where it might get a little tense.
01:30:08.500
You can gather around the table and just play this.
01:30:16.860
You will learn how the other people around the table think.
01:30:23.400
One of those games that make you realize your kids ideas are sometimes more profound than anybody else sitting around the table.
01:30:40.160
Make sure you get the gift that brings everybody together.
01:30:59.140
So, the left doesn't want you to understand that their movement is fake.
01:31:05.680
But I thank God for millennials because I think they get that internally.
01:31:15.640
And embodied in this recent quote by the left's new superstar, Linda Sarsour, you will see, quote,
01:31:24.340
When I wasn't wearing a hijab, I was just some ordinary white girl from New York City.
01:31:29.240
But wearing the hijab made you know that I was a Muslim.
01:31:38.920
The White House designated her as a champion of change.
01:31:44.660
New York City's Mayor Bill de Blasio sought out her endorsement.
01:31:48.080
Bernie Sanders used her as a surrogate during his presidential campaign.
01:31:51.560
And most recently, she has made news as one of the lead organizers of the Women's March.
01:31:57.480
She was also the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit against President Trump's immigration order.
01:32:06.200
She's a Palestinian-American community activist who served as the executive director of the Arab American Association of New York.
01:32:18.500
She's also a board member of the Muslim Democratic Club of New York and a member of the New York City.
01:32:31.280
Now, she claims to be a champion of Muslims, but in 2003, she said this about Saddam Hussein after he was captured by the U.S. troops.
01:32:42.140
I think he's done a lot of things that he shouldn't have done, but I was hurt.
01:32:47.720
Palestinians are under so much oppression, and no other Arab country ever helped them.
01:32:55.760
Well, how many thousands of Muslims did Saddam Hussein kill and torture?
01:32:59.880
I mean, you know, they were his primary target.
01:33:05.280
We're still discovering the genocidal mass graves from the Saddam era.
01:33:15.500
She claims also to be a champion of human rights, but she has boasted that she has family members and a group of friends in the terror group Hamas.
01:33:24.340
In 2004, she said, and this was in the Journal of Columbia Graduate School Journalism.
01:33:36.920
She acknowledged that a friend of hers, as well as her cousin, are both serving long sentences, 99 years and 25 years, in Israeli jails because of their efforts to recruit jihadis to murder Israeli Jews.
01:33:51.100
Moreover, she revealed that her brother-in-law was serving a 12-year sentence in Israel because of his affiliation with Hamas.
01:33:59.720
Later, she was added to the women's rights activist list.
01:34:09.100
Well, she once condemned the prominent anti-Islamist Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who was an amazing woman.
01:34:19.160
She was raised as a Muslim and then subjected to female genital mutilation.
01:34:24.420
She said, quote, I wish I could take her vagina away.
01:34:32.640
She then later defended Saudi Arabia's treatment of women.
01:34:37.140
She said they're way ahead of the United States.
01:34:42.860
In fact, Saudi women, you know, receive 10 weeks of paid maternity leave, and that puts us to shame.
01:34:49.960
Saudi Arabia, a place where women aren't even allowed in public without a male escort, they put us to shame?
01:35:00.860
And we come back to that, because this is where the rubber meets the road for the left.
01:35:19.240
So I just want to make sure that we have this all covered to see if I've missed anything yet.
01:35:22.460
Linda Sarsour, she is, you know, a champion of change, and she is a champion of Muslims, but she liked Saddam Hussein because he cared about the oppression of the Palestinians, even though he was torturing and killing Muslims.
01:35:39.180
A champion of human rights, even though her cousin and a friend of hers are also serving 99 years in Israeli jails because they wanted to, you know, murder the Jews.
01:36:00.500
Unless you're Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and then she would like to, quote, take her vagina away.
01:36:10.620
She's also added Black Lives Matter to her list.
01:36:14.260
She's also a Black Lives Matter person, except she said, quote, the sacrifice of black Muslim slaves that went through this country is nothing compared to the Islamophobia of today.
01:36:26.780
So Islamophobia is worse than the slave trade in America.
01:36:41.300
She has now been accused of enabling sexual assault and body shaming while she was the executive director for the Arab American Association.
01:36:49.820
One of the victims swore out, said she oversaw an environment unsafe and abusive to women.
01:36:57.880
Witnesses have corroborated the story that a female staffer working for Sarsour was sexually assaulted by a man multiple times.
01:37:06.880
And Sarsour dismissed the allegations because the accused was, quote, a good Muslim and always at the mosque, end quote.
01:37:15.060
She said there was no way any man would want to do such a thing to her because she was fat.
01:37:23.920
The accuser claims Sarsour threatened legal and professional damage.
01:37:27.700
If any of this information ever came out, just wait until more people start to talk.
01:37:32.280
She said Sarsour is no champion of woman of women.
01:37:45.440
It's all about what you can use for your own purposes at any given moment, right?
01:37:49.520
I mean, we're seeing this with the Al Franken thing.
01:37:51.580
When Roy Moore was up for election, they were all very tough on Al Franken.
01:37:56.840
Today, they are out saying, maybe we acted hastily.
01:38:02.140
Maybe Al should stay for a while because, you know, I mean, it's really hypocritical for us to throw him out like this.
01:38:16.440
I can guarantee you they promised him, look, you're going to be taken care of.
01:38:20.940
You're going to be a you're going to be, you know, a grandfather of the progressive movement.
01:38:31.660
Now they're like, wait, we could keep him here.
01:38:35.620
I mean, that was what the New York Times thing.
01:38:39.280
I think I read this to you last week, which basically said, this is how Al Franken is serving history.
01:38:47.520
His his alleged misdeeds were just the way he served history.
01:38:55.720
It's like, can you imagine someone on the right getting that treatment for what he was accused of?
01:39:07.140
Oh, do you know that not a word was printed in the Washington Post or the New York Times about that?
01:39:22.440
She also was involved in with the Weinstein situation, but not on the side.
01:39:27.640
You'd think she was kind of defending him and tossing around ideas that maybe they should go after people in the media who are reporting on it and some of the victims and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:39:37.600
So she had already kind of had some criticism against her and it's sort of like I see if I can give you the exact details, but she is the also the known as the if you search for her name on the Internet, it'll tell you she's Gloria Allred's daughter and she's the lawyer that took down Bill O'Reilly.
01:39:56.880
It's like in her like Wikipedia page, like the first sentence, it's like every profile of her talks about how she was going to she took down Bill O'Reilly.
01:40:09.040
So and Bill talked about this on his Friday appearance coming out later today.
01:40:13.820
There's going to be some evidence that, you know, somebody may have paid or was soliciting for funds to pay accusers of Donald Trump to take down Trump during the 2016 election.
01:40:29.700
He's mentioned it on the air with us several times that there was a tape that exists and there's people they have evidence of actual accusers who may have been paid to go after Trump.
01:40:41.140
And honestly, like I heard him say it a bunch of times and, you know, I didn't know if he was ever going to be able to come out with it, you know, and without any evidence.
01:40:52.620
Uh, and I think you're going to have to wait for a court case for him to say more about it.
01:41:05.380
And you're like, OK, well, something's coming out today.
01:41:07.740
Is it going to be, you know, I mean, Bill's not going to just throw out info wars.
01:41:10.940
But I mean, is it some concern if it is it some concern is a Breitbart, some Breitbart investigation, uh, you know, which you could obviously dismiss on partisan grounds.
01:41:20.560
Uh, no, the story breaks in the hill, which is, if anything, a left leaning, uh, certainly a mainstream source of what's going on in Washington.
01:41:31.120
Um, and they, the claim is that Lisa Bloom offered to sell alleged victim stories to TV outlets in return for a commission for herself, arranging a donor to pay off one Trump accuser's mortgage and attempting to secure a six figure payment for another woman who ultimately declined to come forward after being offered as much as $750,000.
01:41:54.800
That's what the clients told the hill women's accounts were chronicled in contemporaneous contractual documents, contractual documents.
01:42:03.360
Remember the whole thing with, uh, James Comey.
01:42:09.660
And remember how, remember how much the left saw that as real evidence, like proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that this guy took notes as he walked out of the room.
01:42:19.060
And I think you can look at that and say, OK, it's, I don't know if I put it on that pedestal, but OK, that's an indication of,
01:42:26.460
These are contemporaneous contractual documents, emails, and text messages reviewed by the hill, including an exchange of texts between one woman and Lisa Bloom that suggested political action committees supporting Hillary Clinton were contacted during the effort.
01:42:45.560
She goes to the Hillary donors and says, hey, give us a bunch of money and I'll produce these accusers.
01:42:51.400
So these accusers get to get their problems financially taken care of while we're taking down Trump.
01:42:57.760
I mean, this is, again, you'd never believe you'd get this sort of evidence about a story like this.
01:43:03.480
And it totally, to me, just, you know, it demeans anything.
01:43:07.160
If you can demean anything Gloria Allred and her daughter have done any further than they should already instantly be discounted because of who they are and what they've done in the past.
01:43:15.380
But this is a, I mean, this has got to cast a shadow on everything that they've produced.
01:43:23.340
Because I know we've heard about a potential tape of this actually occurring, not even just a, you know, a contract or anything like that.
01:43:33.560
I have a, I have a source that is a second source that has verified and I'm just going to leave it at this, at this point.
01:43:47.700
And it's curious that the one who has the goods is not coming forward.
01:44:02.940
And, uh, if you don't soon, I don't think it's going to work out well for you because it's going to come out.
01:44:11.500
And if you don't come out with it soon, I just don't think it's going to work out for you.
01:44:21.200
Um, we are looking at, we're looking at, uh, Lisa Bloom.
01:44:36.680
And she, by the way, of course, is denying that was her intent.
01:44:39.540
Yeah, she said, no, no, no, I was just helping them pay for their house.
01:44:42.800
Well, did you do that for the Clinton accusers?
01:44:59.520
Um, you have this investigation that has to be had.
01:45:02.940
New York Times, Washington Post, they're not even on it.
01:45:10.920
Well, I won't, I'll let him say it sometime to you.
01:45:14.060
Um, you have this, you have the Russia thing on Donald Trump.
01:45:20.340
You know, what were the connections on Donald Trump?
01:45:23.640
Plus, you have Donald Trump looking at the FBI saying, what's going on with you guys?
01:45:29.800
Quite honestly, I think both sides are dirty, both the FBI and people in the Trump administration.
01:45:34.900
But that doesn't even mention the Hillary investigation.
01:45:39.920
Hillary Clinton dirty with, with, uh, with Russia.
01:45:44.520
Uh, she also was playing games with Russia, especially when it comes to, uh, uranium one.
01:45:53.180
And I don't believe that uranium one happened the way the press wants you to think, uh, I would believe that it happened.
01:46:03.260
I don't think Hillary Clinton necessarily said anything.
01:46:07.360
I think uranium one took care of all the people they needed to take care of.
01:46:16.920
I think it's more corrupt than just Hillary Clinton.
01:46:24.060
Plus, you also need to look into Debbie Wasserman Schultz and President Obama for allegedly what Politico just said they were doing, which was turning a blind eye, basically the Iran-Contra affair.
01:46:39.780
But it looks like, at least to me, that it goes all the way to Capitol Hill and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, not just the president who's gone, but to people who are still currently in Congress.
01:46:55.220
Do you really think these people are going to find the answers to any of these questions?
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These are the kinds of things I have said for a long time.
01:47:07.380
You know, you've got to look at what, you know, look what the founders went through before the Declaration of Independence.
01:47:13.220
I mean, it was not, hey, I disagree with your policies.
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And we'll keep everybody in Seattle in our prayers today.
01:50:10.860
And it does not look like he would even be able to.
01:50:13.320
Yeah, I read this morning that he's not going to be able to vote.
01:50:18.640
And, you know, anything can, again, that's a bigger issue than, you know, McCain's health, obviously.
01:50:25.840
Then you've got Cochran, who's also had health problems, though it looks like he'll be able to vote.
01:50:31.320
And, you know, any of these guys, you never know when one of them is going to just flake out and say that they don't want something.
01:50:37.380
Supposedly they said a vote could come as early as tomorrow.
01:50:40.780
The interesting thing about it, though, is that I feel like people are totally treating it as a foregone conclusion.
01:50:46.900
And, you know, if I, again, if I was a betting guy, which I am, but if I could find a place to wager on whether this thing would pass or not,
01:50:58.580
you'd get nice odds to say that it's not going to pass.
01:51:01.720
And Republicans screw these things up so often.
01:51:06.420
But as of right now, I mean, there are some really good things in there.
01:51:08.940
We talked a little bit off the air about some of the education benefits.
01:51:11.800
There's some nice, if you're a school choice person, there's some nice stuff built into it for that.
01:51:31.420
They had a situation where people are, like, saying, well, this is going to cost us trillions of dollars.
01:51:37.460
And then on the other side, they're saying, look, corporations already pay an effective 21% rate.
01:51:43.620
It's like, well, is it going to cost us trillions or is it not a big deal at all?
01:51:46.700
Because if it's not a big change in their rate, you know, I mean.
01:51:53.460
It's just every complaint, throw it against the wall, hope something sticks, you know.
01:51:59.260
So, I mean, it's better for the country if the thing passes.
01:52:02.640
It's just you wish they would have got a little bit more bold.