12⧸4⧸17 - 'Meaningful Media' ( A.G. Riddle joins Glenn)
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1 hour and 53 minutes
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161.2279
Summary
On today's show, Glenn Beck and Stu discuss the fallout from a mistake made by ABC reporter Brian Ross and how it affected the stock market. Glenn also talks about the latest in the Mueller investigation and whether or not it's a good or bad thing.
Transcript
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So, ABC, you and Brian Ross, I don't know exactly what you were thinking.
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On Friday, Brian Ross, who has been an investigative correspondent for ABC for 20, almost 25 years,
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reported that during the 2016 presidential campaign, Donald Trump directed Michael Flynn to make contact with Russian officials before the election.
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The statement was incorrect. You know, something you don't say unless you have a lot of evidence to back it up.
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Yeah, that's one thing Ross was a little short of was evidence.
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By Friday night, Ross was on ABC World News tonight reading a clarification.
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This time, he said Trump didn't ask Flynn to contact Russia until after he had been elected president.
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The problem with this is, is it affected the stock market on Friday because that was kind of a big deal.
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And it wasn't really a clarification on World News tonight.
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It was more of a let me clarify by completely changing the report.
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On Saturday, ABC News apologized, saying they deeply regret the serious error and suspended Ross for four weeks without pay.
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He knows better than this, except he has a history of these kinds of errors.
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Do you remember the movie theater shooting in 2012 in Aurora, Colorado?
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He's the guy who reported that the shooter, we think, was a Tea Party leader.
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Naturally, President Trump gloated on Twitter about Ross's suspension and the mainstream media can't stand President Trump.
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Despite the fact the president is wrong, mainstream media is not all fake news.
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If you want the president to stop yapping about fake news and how the media is out to get him, then you should probably stop with the sloppy reporting.
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This fake news feud between President Trump and the media.
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In these insane times, when we're being flooded with media content, when it's difficult to know who and what to believe,
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shouldn't we be doing everything in our power, especially if you're one of the nation's major media organizations,
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to try to put aside politics for two minutes and refocus on integrity because character matters and the truth matters.
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In fact, I'm going to go on a limb and say the truth and character matters more than politics.
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Now, that's not going to get you a ratings point and it's not going to sell, you know, make America great again for Christmas cap.
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But maybe we should all try to make character and truth our priority.
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And then maybe we'll be able to make journalism trustworthy again.
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But let's let's stick on the Donald Trump over the weekend.
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Yeah, that one's interesting in that because Ross has made some pretty big mistakes over the years, as you pointed out.
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He's he's yeah, and he's an investigative reporter.
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And I mean, you know, I don't understand, you know, what you have to do to be fired.
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I mean, imagine Sean Hannity made a mistake like that.
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Do you think people would be calling for his not not suspension, but firing?
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Yeah, because the mistake in case you didn't know the exact mistake.
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Basically, he said it was during the campaign, not the transition.
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And I think everybody knows and it's why so far what has come out of the Mueller thing is generally speaking, underwhelming, no matter what side of this you're on, is that, you know, if he if if if Jared Kushner did direct the director of national intelligence to reach out to one of the main world players about a upcoming issue.
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After Donald Trump was elected president and was just waiting to walk into the office, that is not a dramatic tale.
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I mean, you know, there are questions about minor parts of it.
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You know, you the old thing of you don't you can only have one president at a time.
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So you don't necessarily want that to be encouraged constantly.
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And and people there is something to that at some level.
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On the other side of it is that's not what this is about from a sexiness standpoint.
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The only thing that's that's real is if it was Donald Trump trying to get help during the election from the Russians, which still to me seems like a long shot.
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But that's a big that's kind of what been the big.
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And now it's like, no, we just passed him in the hallway.
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I mean, it's really if you look at this and if it was just this isolated thing, you'd be like, OK, well, I'm not I'm not sure if that's that big of a deal.
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However, it's the lies on top of lies on top of lies on top of lies.
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I mean, really, why would Flynn lie about this?
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Because the the two things coming from the White House from the White House are, well, it wasn't a big deal.
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And that's what this investigation is supposed to get done.
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But it's a huge mistake on Brian Ross's part to essentially say this was happening during the campaign and not the transition.
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The transition stuff might be an indication that leads to something else.
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If it happened during the campaign, it would be a massive development.
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But they said essentially they initially said they were a clarification.
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By the way, the entire gigantic story we broke is actually not that all that gigantic.
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Just a quick clarification on these clarification.
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What we don't know at this time is did he get that information from a source?
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Did the source tell him it was during the campaign and then they corrected it?
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You'd think because the way they worded their one of their 19 statements about this was essentially it didn't go through the journalistic rigors that it should have.
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Meaning to me, it wasn't that he said it wrong is that he just didn't check out the source enough to he didn't lock it down time frame wise with the source.
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The source said he was a he was candidate because he wasn't president yet should have been president elect is the is the way they should have referred to that.
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It did bounce back mostly by the end of the day, but still, there was it shows you sold at the end of that 350 point drop.
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And you but but you also look at that and say, that's how big of a story this would have been.
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Then you're like, oh, well, maybe he is going to be president.
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Do you remember the the woman who came out and was talking to the press?
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She was a huge supporter of Donald Trump for a long time.
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Loved him, was on The Apprentice and really admired him and everything else.
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And she said, I don't want to say these things, but I have to tell you the truth.
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This is one of the sexual assault accusations at the time.
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I mean, I she seemed like she really, truly was a big Donald Trump fan for a long time.
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And she's felt and she just seemed honest about being crushed by meeting one of her idols.
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He came out and remember, she just kind of went away.
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And then Donald Trump came out and called her a liar.
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Do you know that tomorrow they are deciding in court whether or not the president can be deposed?
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The White House is saying the president is too busy to be deposed on something like this and he will deal with it after his presidency.
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So they're asking the court to put it off until he's out of the Oval Office.
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Well, if you remember right, this sounds kind of familiar.
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That's exactly what happened when he was being deposed about Monica Lewinsky with Clinton.
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The White House said you can't depose the president.
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He'll deal with this after he leaves the office.
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No, you can depose the president on something like this.
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So if they rule tomorrow that the president does have to be deposed on this, this is going to open up a whole can of worms, because if he goes in and he tells the truth that, yes, I did do this.
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If he says no and there's evidence that exists that, yes, it did happen, then he's perjured himself and we're back with Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton again.
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Yeah, but neither of those situations are going to happen, right?
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I mean, he's absolutely not going to say he did anything.
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He's saying his name, his voice isn't the voice on the Billy Bush tape.
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Like, there's no way he's going to say he did something.
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Remember, this is the argument that we had under Bill Clinton.
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And when he perjured himself, they happen to have the blue dress.
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You think that if she had something like that, we would have known about it a long time ago.
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I think it opens up not just for her, but for others.
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I think this will become like there's eight women who accused.
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And so this woman is leading it, saying, I want my reputation back.
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And she's had death threats and everything else.
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If they open the door for her, it may open the door for all of them.
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If anyone has any evidence, then you're getting your and you are.
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I mean, Donald Trump said as soon as he leaves the Oval Office, he is suing them and he's
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going to take them to court for defamation of his character.
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It's interesting, though, from the media perspective, there's two sides of this, and they're both
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One, the idea how excited the media was when all of this stuff came down with Russia and
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Like if the president did do these things and it gets caught, it's awful for the country.
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And people are so exuberant that they get over the top with their excitement.
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And I think that's why mistakes like the Brian Ross thing happen.
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They're so sure they're so excited to get rid of this guy in any way possible that they
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make sloppy mistakes or I think you could argue mistakes intentionally done to try to hurt
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But on the other side of that, and I think it's important to note.
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Why, if this was just all fake news and these people were all the no-character disasters that
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they're described as and is summarized by the president at times and Breitbart and all these
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other places, why on earth would ABC correct this report?
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No one in the world would ever know that they got that fact wrong.
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If they were completely without character, they could easily say, well, no, it wasn't that
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The source that's coming out now publicly and telling you that I got it wrong.
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They had a million ways out of that story because they gave you no information.
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There was no reason for them to correct that report.
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I think there's meaningful change in the media, but it's not lasting change.
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I think there is meaningful change where they know they're up against their greatest foe.
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They also know they are being watched by the American public and the American public doesn't
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And so they are saying, OK, batten down the hatches, make sure it's right.
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It's kind of a Watergate thing to where the Washington Post was looking at the, you know,
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at Woodward and Bernstein and saying, no, get another source.
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With that being said, the minute Donald Trump is out and their side is in, they will go
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So there's meaningful change, just not lasting change.
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So Feinstein came out with a statement that is pretty, pretty, pretty bold that they're
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Now, listen to what she she said over the weekend.
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The Judiciary Committee has an investigation going as well, and it involves obstruction of
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I see it in the hyper phonetic attitude of the White House, the comments every day, the
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And I see it most importantly in what happened with the firing of Director Comey.
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And it is my belief that that is directly because he did not agree to lift the cloud of the
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I mean, it's like it's hard to impeach someone off of Twitter for their tweets.
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You're going to pitch him out of the White House for his tweets.
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I mean, I don't I just think here's what's going to happen.
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My theory is that this case with the the women is going to be Bill said this on Friday.
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That's going to be their next the next approach.
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If this case is allowed to go through tomorrow, I think it's going to change all of the dynamics.
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And I think you're going to get to the next year or so where the president is just going
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to say at the end of my term, I'm going to I'm not going to run again.
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If I mean, if they find more with with with this investigation, if you know, if it ends
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today where we have it with Flynn, there's nothing's going to come of it.
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If they have more and Flynn is leading them to something and has real evidence, then you're
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But I think this is just going to mount so much that I think he's just going to say, you
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Do you know why this is actually something you should watch?
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It lost it lost a thousand a thousand bucks that fast.
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Telegraph reported right about the time of the big drop in the UK that they are now
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the UK is going to launch a crackdown on the virtual currency Bitcoin amid growing concern.
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What a disappointment now from 800 in January and a lot of people say that Bitcoin is in
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a bubble and you could make the case and a pretty strong case that it's in a bubble.
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One that I haven't been willing to really look at because, you know, this time it's different.
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However, I think I have the evidence that makes me say we are definitely in a bubble.
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Crypto kitties, essentially like a digital version of Pokemon cards, but based on the Ethereum
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blockchain is becoming one of the biggest viral sensations to catch on in the tech world built
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by a Vancouver and San Francisco based design studio, people are spending a crazy amount
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So far, about one point three million dollars has been transacted with multiple kittens
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selling for 50 ethereal coins and the genius kitten being sold for a record of two hundred
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That's one hundred and thirteen thousand dollars.
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I think I think there are only a certain number of virtual kitties that are born.
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And you mean when you say kitty, like you mean cats, like little cats, digital cats, cat.
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OK, so you buy a cat that is a digital block chain cat and then you can interact with the
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It's like a beanie babies to trade and to buy, you know, a better cat that doesn't exist.
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Game was seeded with one hundred founder kitties.
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This there's also a new Gen Zero cat released every 15 minutes, which are listed for the
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average price of the last five sold plus 50 percent.
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But the sale price declines over 24 hours until somebody actually buys the cat.
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Anyone can sell their kittens via an auction where they pick a starting price and an ending
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And the price declines over time and sell someone who buys the cat.
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So, for example, I could put a kitten up for sale for a one day auction at one ethereal.
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Yeah, Ethereum coin starting at starting at one and a ending price of zero.
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And if somebody buys it 12 hours after the auction starts, they pay me point five Ethereum,
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You can also create new kittens by breeding them.
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OK, so blockchain sex, basically, is what's happening.
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So you are taking money that has no real value because it doesn't actually exist.
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You're buying that bogus money and you're trading that bogus money for a bogus cat that doesn't
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And your hope is that you're going to sell that fake cat or breed a better fake cat and
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sell it for more of the fake coins than anybody else.
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Obviously, did you feel the need to explain that to the audience?
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No, I mean, I was just talking, you know, I was just talking down to a couple of the
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It's funny, you brought up Beanie Babies, which people talk about in this bubble way.
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I did an interview with a guy who wrote a book about it.
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I think it's called The Great Beanie Baby Bubble.
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And you think, well, it's kind of a silly topic.
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He's a real big entrepreneur and decided to try to do this, create these little animals
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And really, the reason why the Beanie Baby thing was so big for that time was that he
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decided to call these things, instead of just discontinuing them, he started calling them
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And when he started saying retired, as soon as he said, we're about to retire this stupid
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Beanie Baby, people would rush to stores and bid the price super high.
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And so the whole time, the entire process was people trying to figure out who would next
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Because as soon as they got retired, the price would go up.
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And the people buying the new ones were based basically on the idea that eventually there
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would be a retirement and they'd be able to cash in.
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And the guy who wound up doing it was obsessed with these things, meticulous to the point
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of he would spend hours looking over samples of the eyes.
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And he took it super seriously and designed every one of these things.
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And he wound up making like $2 billion off of this.
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So how many people have parents who collected the Beanie Babies and they have a closet full
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of the Beanie Babies and you knew at the time, Beanie Babies aren't going to, it's not going
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You're not going to get, you're not going to retire on the Beanie Baby money.
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Now is the time where you, where you, where the, where boys are boys and men arrive.
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The men say the hell, my Beanie Baby collection isn't going to be worth something.
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I'm keeping it because everybody's looking at their Beanie Baby collection now going, this
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Once everybody gets rid of it, those who saved those Beanie Babies.
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And you carry that dream to your grave, don't you?
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Yeah, I'm going to lock them all in my coffin with me.
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I mean, it could, cryptocurrency could have parts of that.
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There is more technology involved in it than Beanie Babies.
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Dear God, don't try to, Stu, don't try to talk yourself into the kitties at value.
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No, I'm not talking about, I'm talking about, I'm talking about this technology.
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Oh, the blockchain has, blockchain has, yeah, the blockchain kitties don't have any value.
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But, well, I mean, everything has the value the market assigns to, right?
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You just gotta, you just gotta wait for the right buyer.
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So, I actually started reading a book about the tulip thing.
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And it actually makes more sense, you know, because you think, for instance, tell me this
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The tulip story is, there became this sort of irrational exuberance, is the phrase they
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often use in these terms, where they, people believed that they were going to be, they
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were super valuable, and they started trading them as currency.
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So, why did it, why, what was the spark for it?
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Okay, so I never heard it, and I, okay, so here's the thing.
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This was at the time when people were just starting to keep gardens and starting to have
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lawns and everything else, and the really, really rich people were starting to do that.
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The bulb, I don't know where the tulip bulb came from.
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But the idea that all of a sudden, a thing of beauty, it's looked at as art.
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So, you could put this in your house, or you could put this in front of your house, or
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whatever, and it's a thing of beauty and a thing of art.
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So, it's like the art craze to where a painting that you're like, okay, that doesn't even
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They thought this is a thing of beauty and a thing of art, and there's only one of them.
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And so, they thought, this is going to catch on because all of the rich people are going
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to want these all in their gardens all over the world, which they did.
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It just didn't work out as well as they thought because you can make more of them.
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Oh my gosh, there's inflation in the tulip market?
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But you can see, you could see how people, like Bitcoin, you could see how people could
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We think now, tulips, I mean, they're everywhere.
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And they're making new tulips, and they're kind of, I don't know how you breed tulips,
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People are starting, you know, people are going to have these things called lawns, and
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It was at the beginning of flower boxes and bringing flowers in.
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I mean, you don't really even think of it like that, you know?
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But again, you could kind of, like, I can't make a case for the kitty cats.
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But the same thing with Beanie Babies, and the same thing with every one of these trends,
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you can always say, a Cabbage Patch doll, that's just a doll.
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It's about what level of entertainment and enjoyment it gives the individual.
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There's a lot of stuff that's worth, I mean, I see, you know, purses that my wife buys,
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and I think, that looks like it's worth $12, and it's not.
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Yeah, but tangible is a thing that goes with style.
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But that is something, that's a weird, that's an old-timey observation, right?
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Like, we used to say the same thing, like, that company, they don't even produce anything.
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That's what we used to say when the quote-unquote internet bubble happened,
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and now I'm pretty sure that one wound up being kind of big, that internet thing.
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And you're like, okay, let's get rid of this eyesore.
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Many Lions fans were pointing out that the Silverdome has survived many previous implosions
00:35:20.740
as well, and you can't just bring it down with one of those.
00:35:27.680
Basically, every building in the city is crumbling to the ground, and this one, they actually want
00:35:33.460
They say that Detroit is actually becoming one of the more dynamic cities in the country.
00:35:44.240
I mean, there's certain, you know, you have those, there's certain really wealthy benefactors
00:35:48.380
who have decided, like, I love this city, and I'm staying here.
00:36:04.400
They make incredible watches, and they started and said, we're going to build a great company
00:36:12.540
that builds really great items, and we're going to build them in Detroit, and so they
00:36:18.940
did, and they've taken off, and I mean, really high-quality stuff, really good stuff.
00:36:27.300
Yeah, they're one of the first companies to go into Detroit, and they kind of kicked off
00:36:34.080
There's another, I can't remember which guy he was, a billionaire from some line of
00:36:38.380
business, and decided, you know what, I'm just going to go back, and I'm going to start
00:36:40.520
building these amazing developments, and I just love the city, and I want to keep doing
00:36:44.180
it, and he's just being vilified in the community, because he's tearing down what Detroit has
00:36:52.940
Yeah, apparently, people are like, there's some people, this is what happens every time.
00:36:58.760
Like, that's what they do, and they say this in New York all the time.
00:37:00.880
Someone will build a really nice apartment complex in a downtrodden community, and they'll
00:37:06.640
say, well, now you're pricing out all the residents.
00:37:09.940
And it's like, well, first of all, it's not their responsibility to set price for the entire
00:37:17.260
They're doing something that's improving the community, right?
00:37:23.860
It's just why you just stay home and play video games.
00:37:41.640
While you were sleeping in the early morning hours of Saturday, the Senate passed the final
00:37:48.240
Senate voted 51 to 49, with Senator Bob Corker as the lone Republican voting against it.
00:37:54.460
The big takeaway from the bill is the plan will reduce the corporate tax rate from 35%
00:38:04.460
That is, if that actually goes through and happens, if Trump signs this into law, you're
00:38:10.720
going to see, you'll see a boom to the economy.
00:38:14.100
Now, Trump apparently is already walking away from the 20% after the bill passed.
00:38:20.440
He told reporters, you know, it could be 22 when it all comes out, but it could also
00:38:26.320
The difference between the two percentage points?
00:38:30.080
The passage of the Senate tax bill is a step in the right direction for the most part,
00:38:35.880
but the House and the Senate still have to hash out the differences in their plans, and
00:38:39.200
we have no idea what the final version is going to be right now.
00:38:45.560
I wish he was giving money to, you know, everyday people as well.
00:38:49.940
It's the hasty way Congress is dealing with bills now.
00:38:54.400
It kind of stinks of the Obama-era politics, passing bills in the cover of darkness at 2
00:39:01.220
a.m. on a Saturday, and only after the details of the plan are kind of released in a shady
00:39:08.840
sort of way, you're kind of like, I don't even know what they're voting on.
00:39:12.740
The Republicans are desperately trying to comply with Trump's demand to sign anything of substance
00:39:17.980
by the end of the year. Not a good reason to pass a bill, but I'm hoping the bill will be good for
00:39:23.580
the country. But one thing is for sure, unless we do something about it, Congress will continue
00:39:40.540
It's Monday, December 4th. This is the Glenn Beck Program.
00:39:44.360
So, I read a story in The Guardian. Do you trust The Guardian? Do you think The Guardian
00:40:00.300
Not really. Very few people. No. I mean, it's... Look, I mean, you have a board behind you.
00:40:07.080
As I sit here in the studio, I look behind you to a giant chalkboard.
00:40:10.920
Yeah. And on that chalkboard is a giant timeline of the past two months.
00:40:31.220
I don't know. Some of them you'd predict, right?
00:40:34.620
Eh. Kind of the guy who started this all off this one.
00:40:39.000
never would have seen that coming. I would have put him in the safe category.
00:40:44.480
Yeah. George H.W. Bush, I mean, I would not have seen that coming.
00:42:02.720
There's going to be a huge reckoning there, right?
00:43:03.900
that would basically predict terrible events, right?
00:43:35.320
they could all be a part of this trading floor.
00:47:19.840
it does seem like this is a never ending thing.
00:47:27.720
that this is what they're going to go after Trump on
00:47:32.780
they're going to try to bring back those accusations.
00:47:53.620
there's a lot of things I'm critical about Trump on,
00:48:01.600
he's running for president of the United States.
00:48:03.380
he's being accused of a million different things.
00:48:13.800
There's so much to motivate someone to say something like this.
00:48:22.380
I can't judge this unless I have actual evidence.
00:48:25.560
that's how you're supposed to judge all of these.
00:48:30.340
You're supposed to have evidence on all of them.
00:48:31.920
So I don't know if you saw this from the guardian.
00:48:51.400
the Senate candidate from Alabama escaped to the Australian wilderness.
00:48:58.180
Mark Moore spent the better part of a year in Queensland Outback,
00:49:01.980
where he lived and worked with the Rolf family,
00:49:12.740
an ambitious 37-year-old assistant district attorney to this remote outpost has mostly remained a mystery.
00:49:19.240
The guardian spent a week in central Queensland seeking out those who knew more to find out what was he doing there so far from home.
00:49:26.020
What emerged was a portrait of a man overcoming his own personal demons,
00:49:30.200
but one who never left the impression on those he met as anything but a gentleman.
00:49:39.000
And then you start to they start interviewing people.
00:49:52.100
I don't think he'd ever done any sort of manual labor in his life,
00:49:55.560
but he took to the hard labor like a duck to water.
00:50:00.780
One woman who is 16 years old when Moore lived with the Rolfs came close contact with him,
00:50:09.740
Maybe he was trying to get away from something.
00:50:17.420
There was never anything even remotely like that.
00:50:22.160
That would have been prime time if he was going to do something.
00:50:25.820
Usually you'll have your antenna out for something like that.
00:50:28.880
But I remember him being gregarious, bubbly, loud, you know, a typical American.
00:50:39.460
I never thought of him anything other than a good bloke.
00:50:44.780
certainly there weren't any alarm bells or anything.
00:50:58.720
I remember him as a man with deep religious belief and a gentle man with a beautiful singing voice.
00:51:09.980
Roy is a person who's a little bit set in his beliefs and he doesn't like change.
00:51:18.920
I couldn't say whether the allegations may be correct or not,
00:51:21.780
but I find him very surprising because of his treatment of us and the family and all the women who are with us.
00:51:30.940
People have a second side outside of moral company,
00:51:36.640
So basically the Guardian went to Australia to find dirt.
00:51:41.100
And what they found is a bunch of people who said,
00:51:57.520
I did find it interesting that the Guardian actually published it though.
00:52:03.140
they just wrote a fancy headline to get you to think that there was something there.
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and I'm trying to remember the name of his new one.
00:54:57.980
and I've read all five of his novels in the last 10 days or 12 days,
00:55:03.680
and I'm interested in the topic that he talks about.
00:55:11.280
He's a guy from Silicon Valley who did some startups and now is writing about quantum computing,
00:55:48.300
And he's going to be on with us because I think you should meet him.
00:56:07.040
and it's about time travel and quantum computing and what is in store for us in the future.
00:56:21.340
It's an entertaining way to talk about the nerd culture you're obsessed with.
00:56:27.620
I'm reading all kinds of science and tech books right now,
00:56:32.580
and I'm looking for who's telling this in an interesting way.
00:56:44.400
because at the time they were looking at entertaining ways to tell people what we're really fighting.
00:56:56.580
So I'm looking now for some entertaining ways to talk to people about,
00:57:03.900
what we should be thinking about the things that should be crossing our mind.
00:57:13.620
that he believes the human race will be finished.
00:57:25.600
it's bad time we're put out of our misery to be quite honest.
00:57:39.560
there's something very logical to what he said,
00:57:42.960
especially if you know history or if you're reading stuff like a G riddle,
00:58:07.220
we have some good news about the Nazarene fund tomorrow.
00:58:14.920
He is the CEO of operation underground railroad,
00:58:21.620
an amazing group of people that are going in and,
00:58:24.760
and breaking up the slave trade for sex trafficking all around the world.
00:58:29.760
And doing some amazing things here in the United States,
00:58:32.180
but they can't talk about them here in the United States.
00:58:36.720
But we have partnered with them with the Nazarene fund.
00:58:40.560
So now Tim is the official CEO of the Nazarene fund.
00:58:44.320
And the reason why we partnered with him is because I wanted to,
00:58:50.660
we didn't know what we were doing August two years ago when I said,
00:58:56.500
let's raise a million dollars and let's see if we can get,
00:58:59.420
10 families out or a hundred families out of the middle East.
00:59:10.200
Christians that had been marked for death by ISIS.
00:59:18.740
six or 10,000 to different parts of the middle East.
00:59:26.540
it is truly one of the most remarkable stories.
00:59:36.160
this single audience saved 8,000 marked for death Christians.
00:59:50.680
But then the mission kind of went into another direction.
01:00:02.240
my sister and her daughters have been kidnapped and they're in the slave trade
01:00:10.220
So we started looking into that and we hired some people,
01:00:43.820
They went back for more and they both lost their lives.
01:00:51.620
some people who really know what they're doing.
01:00:58.720
you are in the Nazarene fund have merged together and we are going to take on the
01:01:06.220
but not only the slave trade in the middle East and Northern Africa,
01:01:19.100
And what they're doing is they're kidnapping these children that are
01:01:24.100
Cause remember ISIS and people like them believe that,
01:01:30.900
You're not really a person if you're a Christian.
01:01:33.700
And so they take these kids and these families and they're harvesting them for
01:01:46.480
And we haven't decided whether or not we're going to show it's disturbing.
01:02:02.420
but we have devised some ways to break up the organ harvesting as well and really
01:02:16.380
we have so many people from special forces from all around the world that want to do
01:02:25.200
So our goal for the year is to raise $25 million.
01:02:30.440
That will free a lot of slaves and it will change not only the Middle East,
01:02:40.400
So we really could use your help and your support.
01:02:44.020
I got an amazing handwritten letter in from an eight year old boy.
01:02:57.720
please use this $8 to help the Christians in the Middle East.
01:03:01.260
It warms our heart so much to see the kids participating in this.
01:03:13.480
And we're working on some things to help teach your kids about what's really
01:03:17.640
happening and the evil that is around the world,
01:03:31.400
and we would love to get your kids involved in this because they're going to
01:03:56.480
So by Christmas of next year to be able to raise 25 million,
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if you're a long time listener or viewer of the show,
01:05:04.740
And he said he had all kinds of information that he was going to expose.
01:05:16.620
We didn't know exactly what we found out that it was all revolving around tickle fights.
01:05:23.540
Do you remember the tickle fight guy here is a play,
01:05:48.880
It's how it's perceived by the individual who receives that action.
01:05:55.240
And we set it up so that it could be completely.
01:06:12.480
the only thing I do is slip my wrist and bleed out here on that.
01:06:21.380
You know what you're saying to me is they took it wrong.
01:06:31.420
I should have never allowed myself to be as familiar with my staff as I was.
01:06:37.120
I never translated from my days in the Navy to being a congressman.
01:06:50.640
I'm going to show you a lot more than tickle fights.
01:07:29.580
You've got a little scandal with your children in college.
01:07:32.240
I've got one for all time now because I'm not going to resign.
01:07:39.180
I have come to a place to where I believe at some point the system will destroy me.
01:07:44.040
That's okay because I'm going to do what I can to pass on a better America for tomorrow.
01:08:06.200
So he was trying to make himself look like a hero.
01:08:29.640
And we know he is in trouble for tickle fights.
01:08:48.920
And all of a sudden people in the Democratic Party are starting to rally around him.
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What came out Friday was when they're looking through the records on who paid out.
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Did the parties pay for any sexual harassment lawsuits?
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it looks like the Democrats decided to pay to cover his butt.
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But now we know a deal was made and people who were crying sexual harassment about him were paid off by the Democratic Party.
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Some really good, you haven't read Brett King's Augmented Life in the Smart Lane.
01:11:56.300
In case you have book lovers, you know, on your Christmas list.
01:12:02.380
And I asked Rafe last night if he would do one, two.
01:12:14.660
I mean, literally, if he starts in the morning and, you know, has kind of a normal day, he can finish a novel in a day.
01:12:26.980
So he just reads and reads and reads and reads.
01:12:30.620
And I asked him if he would put together a list for, you know, 13-year-old boys, if you have a 13-year-old boy.
01:12:40.160
We talked last night about reading The Immortal Nicholas.
01:12:43.440
Because we read every night before we go to bed.
01:12:46.680
And so we talked about reading The Immortal Nicholas as a family.
01:12:51.480
And I think what we're going to do is we're going to make that just for subscribers only on TheBlaze.com.
01:12:57.880
It won't be on the TV network or anything else.
01:13:01.000
I've got to figure out the technology to, you know, get it so it's really easy to just upload every night.
01:13:08.460
But we'll read, probably starting this week, The Immortal Nicholas until Christmas.
01:13:13.000
And you're also helping teach him a lesson that eventually every good book just winds up being in video at some point,
01:13:25.600
Someone eventually will read it to you on the internet.
01:13:39.700
Love of Money, or I can't remember what it's called here.
01:13:45.460
But it is the story of the movie that is coming out, All the Money in the World.
01:13:52.620
Oh, it's Disgustingly Rich or something like that.
01:13:56.320
That's the movie that Kevin Spacey was in, and they edited him out of it.
01:14:00.280
And now Christopher Plummer is playing that role.
01:14:12.720
The movie is just really kind of one chapter of this book.
01:14:22.220
Is about two days before it comes out, I don't care if it's true or not, come out and accuse
01:14:28.200
Christopher Plummer of sexual harassment just to see if they try to edit somebody else in.
01:14:33.540
I just see a lesbian, they're like, all right, uh...
01:14:35.540
Just got a guy reading, just got a guy reading a line.
01:14:41.800
It's Painfully Rich is the name of the book by John Pearson, Painfully Rich.
01:14:46.520
If you're into the Getty story, that's a wild ride.
01:15:11.740
Impeachment hopefuls and resistance warriors like Keith Olbermann have been waiting with
01:15:16.100
bated breath for months, salivating over what secrets Mike Flynn might reveal.
01:15:22.120
Actually, we didn't find out anything on Friday, but we found out a little.
01:15:27.560
Highly anticipated ruling against General Flynn was, wait for it, lying to the FBI.
01:15:34.820
The Mueller hammer everybody was waiting for on the surface seemed a little underwhelming
01:15:43.100
The question is, what did General Flynn promise to the FBI to receive such a small slap on the
01:15:50.740
If this investigation stops here and this is all they got, they got nothing.
01:15:59.860
After millions of dollars and thousands of man hours invested, if all we get out of this
01:16:06.260
is a lying general and a tax evading lobbyist, that's a pretty big letdown.
01:16:12.880
Manafort and Flynn could very well, though, be act one of a complicated three act play.
01:16:19.140
That's my guess who or what comes next is anyone's guess.
01:16:24.020
But the hyperbolic media reports, the finger pointing, the impeachment calls, that's not
01:16:37.860
The president defeating his defense after every single allegation really isn't the smartest,
01:16:46.420
I mean, it's it's like your attorneys are from H&R Block.
01:16:54.480
Stop listening to your really crappy attorneys.
01:16:59.540
The investigation better start producing fruit soon.
01:17:03.700
And we all need to look at that fruit and start accepting that fruit, no matter which
01:17:18.720
The entire intelligence community is on agreement on this.
01:17:22.120
Russian intelligence services launched a campaign to publicly sway opinion via social media.
01:17:29.220
They appear to be involved in the Fusion GPS dossier and a meeting at Trump Tower.
01:17:35.120
More Trump administration officials could be involved.
01:17:38.400
But so can the Democrats and the Clinton campaign and a laundry list of other Americans.
01:17:46.340
And if we don't fix this now, imagine what might and probably will happen during the midterms
01:17:55.000
If this was just the opening salvo of a much larger Russian influence operation, we're in
01:18:06.540
Those calling for impeachment every time something comes out, they need to calm down.
01:18:11.460
Those who've already made up their minds that he is guilty or not guilty will ultimately find
01:18:19.540
So to all the investigators, the FBI, the DOJ and all other investigations that are open
01:18:26.880
on this, do your jobs, be thorough, do it quickly.
01:18:49.220
So I did something after I was on holiday and I had downloaded a whole bunch of books.
01:19:00.920
And I've never done this, you know, at the end of the book, sometimes it says, hey, write
01:19:09.740
And I just wrote, I said, hey, I just finished one of your books and I really enjoyed it.
01:19:13.680
And he wrote me back right away and said, hey, thanks so much.
01:19:17.580
I'd like to, you know, send you an autographed copy.
01:19:24.580
I mean, I don't even know now if he really knows who I am.
01:19:28.440
But so I said, I'm already into the second book and it's really great.
01:19:34.320
Well, probably much to his surprise, I've since that I've read all of his books because he
01:19:44.600
is looking at a problem that I am really interested in.
01:19:48.860
And he has some kind of some facts that he builds his fiction.
01:19:53.200
And a lot of it is, I think I would classify it, I guess, as sci-fi in a way.
01:19:56.520
He builds his fiction around some facts that I want to find out more about.
01:20:03.520
So I want to introduce you to A.J. Riddle, A.G. Riddle.
01:20:07.000
He's the author of Pandemic and also The Atlantis Gene.
01:20:12.380
And I think the new one is called, what is it, A.G.?
01:20:22.160
Well, Departure actually came out before Pandemic.
01:20:25.560
So it's a standalone, but it may be the most recent book you've read.
01:20:34.260
So let me first of all, thanks for coming on the program.
01:20:39.880
You really kind of look into a couple of things that interest me.
01:20:48.400
You know, Stephen Hawking has said, he just said it again this weekend, that homo sapiens
01:20:57.980
And people freak out and they think, oh, my gosh, we're going to be all wiped out.
01:21:04.460
He means that homo sapiens, as we know them, as we are now, are going to be so transformed
01:21:11.940
that you won't be able to recognize the current homo sapien next to the new homo sapien of
01:21:26.300
And I mean, I think he's right in that we're, I believe we're in the midst of this radical
01:21:31.340
transformation that we're just now getting our heads around.
01:21:34.000
So in your book, you talk about something called the Great Leap, and I was only familiar
01:21:40.220
with the Great Leap Forward of China, which was a nightmare.
01:21:49.280
I mean, you know, one of the interests and one of the themes of my work is, you know,
01:21:55.080
And so what we now believe is that the current, you know, that our race of humans, the homo
01:22:03.340
And so when we first evolved, you know, we know there were Neanderthals existed on Earth
01:22:12.700
And there were, you know, these humans called denosivans and homo fluorinesis on the island
01:22:20.960
And so we coexisted with them for about roughly 150,000 years.
01:22:27.080
I mean, you know, life went on on Earth as it had for, you know, a very, very long time.
01:22:32.700
And then something happened about 50,000 years ago.
01:22:36.780
And we see it, especially in Europe, this explosion of creativity.
01:22:40.500
We see these cave paintings and sort of this advent of figurative art.
01:22:45.580
And so making, you know, clay sculptures and these other things.
01:22:49.040
And so we also see the advent of complex language.
01:22:53.620
And so these are things that really had not existed on Earth before.
01:22:58.040
I mean, there were species that were, that Homo erectus had made tools and other sort of
01:23:05.000
breakthrough, you know, we had learned to control fire.
01:23:07.600
But we, no human species had ever done anything on this level cognitively.
01:23:13.560
And so we call, you know, geneticists call this the great leap forward.
01:23:20.580
And so the only thing that we know for a fact is that after that, all the other human species
01:23:27.300
And so this, I think this coincides with the extinction of other archaic humans.
01:23:36.180
And so I think there, you know, to me, it feels like we're in another great leap forward.
01:23:40.340
Okay, before we, wait, wait, before we go to the other great leap forward, let me just ask one thing.
01:23:44.100
Because in your books, you kind of, and I don't know what's fact and what's fiction here.
01:23:51.220
You, you allude to the fact that those that, that, you know, the other species were kind of killed by us
01:24:04.080
And, you know, we had to go, we had, we needed 20% more calories for our brains.
01:24:10.420
Um, and, you know, they were bigger, stronger, but we were smarter.
01:24:22.980
I mean, what we do know for a fact is that when our species moved into an area, we see the
01:24:34.580
And so the, the big debate is, was that some sort of, uh, interbreeding with our species
01:24:43.320
You know, Neanderthals had existed in Europe for half a million years.
01:24:48.280
And so a lot of, you know, anthropologists say, Hey, look, you know, we think that obviously
01:24:54.140
the world was getting warmer, uh, at that point.
01:24:57.500
And we think that created this ecological disaster that wiped out the Neanderthals.
01:25:01.840
But to me, that doesn't hold a lot of water because you've got a species that's very long
01:25:07.300
We show up on the scene, you know, the cognitive revolution happens at the same time and these
01:25:14.820
So the reason why I bring this up in it may be where you're going, take us to the next
01:25:22.040
Well, I think, you know, we're, to me, it's sort of like a ripple on the horizon.
01:25:26.300
And, and, you know, in the late nineties, people said, Oh, the internet is going to transform
01:25:32.080
You know, the, the retailers are going to go bust.
01:25:37.680
You know, things went on the way they had for a long time, but now we're seeing this transformation
01:25:45.220
You know, you walk into a restaurant and now there's a touchscreen to take your order instead
01:25:54.160
So we're seeing, you know, this, call it a technological revolution of robotics and artificial
01:26:01.680
You know, robotics are doing a lot of the manual labor that, that we've traditionally done
01:26:06.440
for, you know, since history began and artificial intelligence threatens to, to frankly do a lot
01:26:14.800
So, you know, part of the thing that I explore in my books is, you know, what, what becomes
01:26:20.700
of the human race and what, what does the future look like?
01:26:26.740
So let me ask you this, um, as I have read yours, I'm also reading, you know, I read a
01:26:32.660
lot of Rick Kurzweil and, uh, um, I'm reading Brett King, uh, his book called augmented, which
01:26:38.460
is, um, all about, um, you know, what, what, what do we need to teach our children?
01:26:47.280
And one of the things that he talks about is that we have to be open-minded.
01:26:53.460
Um, we have to learn how to work with robotics and AI, uh, and we have to really be open to
01:27:00.100
accepting the changes that will be coming even to our own bodies and with nanotechnology,
01:27:05.660
So as I'm putting all of these together and then I read your great leap, I think to myself,
01:27:10.320
okay, so what I believe Stephen Hawking is talking about and, and Ray Kurzweil is, is,
01:27:22.460
It's the singularity of bringing man and machine and making them one.
01:27:26.900
If you do this and you have quantum computing and AI, a, a, an upgraded human is going to
01:27:35.980
talk to a non-upgraded human and, and it would be like talking to a dog.
01:27:41.020
I mean, the, the information and the, the modeling that the individual could do, who's
01:27:47.720
upgraded that would be completely lost on a non-upgraded homo sapien.
01:27:57.780
And so that was my first thought was, okay, this is going to put us in a different category.
01:28:03.700
Then I started thinking, well, we're already talking about cars, you know, once, once automated
01:28:09.260
cars are really, uh, you know, uh, everywhere, it's only a matter of time before we don't
01:28:16.100
let humans drive anymore because they're going to, they're going to screw it all up.
01:28:20.060
Well, if you have a non-upgraded human and everybody else is upgraded, I'm not going to
01:28:25.880
let the human really touch anything because it's like having your dog drive a bus.
01:28:33.540
Then I read your book and I think of the great leap.
01:28:37.000
Is it possible that we, that the upgraded humans actually do wipe out the homo sapien because
01:28:47.760
Um, well, certainly, I mean, I think the long arc of human history has been to a certain
01:28:56.120
extent replacement and sort of one dominant species.
01:28:59.980
I mean, one of the things that fascinates me is, is the fact that there are no Neanderthals,
01:29:05.020
but there are, you know, plenty of chimps and gorillas and bonobos.
01:29:09.040
And these are, you know, obviously, uh, whether you believe in evolution or not, you have to
01:29:14.200
agree that genetically, you know, a chimpanzee is 98 point, uh, you know, 99.8% of the same
01:29:26.920
And so it's like, you know, why did they survive and Neanderthals didn't?
01:29:30.240
And I think it's very clear that chimpanzees were not a competitor for, for food with us.
01:29:37.800
And to a certain extent, they weren't a threat.
01:29:40.600
And so, um, the question for me becomes, all right, if we know the future is about a certain
01:29:47.560
amount of merging of human with technology, you look on the street today and everyone
01:29:54.680
Half the people driving are staring at their cell phone.
01:29:57.560
And so it's, uh, whether it's been implanted or not, there is this sort of merging with
01:30:01.680
technology that we know is somewhat inevitable.
01:30:09.060
And I do think there will be this, probably a minority of people that say, you know, I like
01:30:15.480
life the way it is and I'm not, I'm not going to join this sort of future that, that humanity
01:30:22.640
And, and I mean, I, I like to think that there's going to be coexistence and peace, but you know,
01:30:29.880
the long arc of human history hasn't, hasn't really borne that out, but we may be entering
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Riddle, um, author of genome, uh, also the, uh, that's a part of the pandemic series, uh,
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You can start really anywhere and, uh, pick them up and, and enjoy them.
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Um, great storytelling, really, really great storytelling.
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Um, A.G., I'd love to talk to you again sometime.
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Uh, I started with pandemic, then went to genome.
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Uh, I just read departure, which he said was an earlier book, which I thought, I thought
01:31:19.860
Um, but doesn't have kind of some of the, the deeper, uh, uh, stuff in it about the great
01:31:27.500
I mean, if you're, if you're, if you're at all curious about what the future holds and
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where do we come from and what, what is, what, what is going to, what's the next turn?
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It's all sci-fi obviously, but, uh, it's, it's quite good.
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Uh, a G riddle is in 2017, we witnessed, uh, numerous natural disasters, uh, an increasing
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Stu and I are just having an interesting conversation off the air about, you know,
01:33:47.880
Yeah, like even if you figure out exactly what's going to happen in the future and think
01:33:52.160
of some magical way to stop it or make it better, I mean, then you're probably going
01:33:56.780
to be dead in like three days anyway, and no one's even going to know.
01:34:01.640
So, I mean, because I'm really concerned about technology.
01:34:07.280
I'm both thrilled and excited about technology and very concerned because we're not thinking
01:34:14.340
We're all distracted and it's just going to come barreling down on us.
01:34:19.380
Um, our education system is not prepared to teach us what we need to learn.
01:34:27.740
Um, it's, it's, it's teaching us to live in a world of 1940 and what's coming is robotics
01:34:35.580
and artificial intelligence and a completely different way of life.
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Now, how do you prevent, you know, how do you warn about things that are really bad?
01:34:56.660
How do you, how do you decide and prepare yourself before it's just here?
01:35:01.880
Uh, so you're strong enough to not just fall in line with things that are, are maybe moving
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How do you teach your children to be prepared for the world of tomorrow?
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It's a really big week in the, uh, court system, uh, tomorrow, uh, Donald Trump is going to
01:35:40.200
Remember the woman who was on, uh, the apprentice was a huge fan.
01:35:47.640
He called her up and said, Hey, why don't you come to my place at the peninsula?
01:35:52.380
She went, she, she said that she was, you know, abused by him.
01:35:57.740
And it was horrible because she was such a big fan.
01:36:06.260
Um, and she said, I wasn't lying and don't call me a liar.
01:36:09.700
Now the white house tomorrow is going to be in court arguing that the president can't do
01:36:14.440
depositions, um, while he's the president because it will distract him from his other
01:36:21.020
It's not going to fly because it didn't fly with bill Clinton.
01:36:27.680
Cause it's going to open up an entirely new front on the president.
01:36:31.860
Uh, and it will be the, it, I think that if it goes through, I think that will be the
01:36:38.680
story of 2018 for Donald Trump that and, and Russia, but this one will probably be a,
01:36:48.720
The other thing that is happening tomorrow in the court system is we're going to hear
01:36:59.620
Uh, this is the one from, uh, Colorado where, uh, a gay couple came in and they asked, uh,
01:37:10.900
And right away, he said, you know, I'll, I'll bake anything for you.
01:37:13.960
You can have brownies, pies, I'll, I'll sell you whatever you want, but I just can't be
01:37:21.920
And, uh, and I, uh, it's a real personal thing for me and I just feel like it violates
01:37:27.780
And so they took him to court and they sued him.
01:37:30.080
And of course, Colorado decided that if he doesn't, if he doesn't do cakes for gay
01:37:41.640
So he's taken it all the way to the Supreme court.
01:37:45.800
It's unbelievable because, you know, obviously he's claiming, uh, first amendment freedom
01:37:51.000
of speech and religious freedom, both first amendment issues.
01:37:56.500
And so, uh, does that Trump this equality thing?
01:38:01.400
Do you have to participate in somebody's wedding if they ask you to, it seems so bizarre.
01:38:09.560
If you're a gay couple and a guy doesn't want to be a part of your wedding, why would
01:38:18.100
And they're sort of arguing this on the basis of he's an artist.
01:38:35.580
No one could have guessed that from, I know from looking at me.
01:38:37.980
Uh, and he's, uh, his specialty were, were wedding cakes and he was an artist.
01:38:49.080
And because they said, well, it just because you make him a wedding cake, that doesn't mean
01:38:57.500
And then he, he brought in this artistic part of it.
01:39:00.400
And so the, that's what the Supreme court will hear, uh, tomorrow, whether or not he
01:39:04.900
has the right to, to not participate in their wedding.
01:39:08.240
And I I'm guessing the Supreme court is going to decide he has to participate in their wedding.
01:39:13.860
They're saying that this is basically already for, for, for, for, for from the beginning.
01:39:19.200
And then you've got Anthony Kennedy who always decides on behalf of the, of gay rights.
01:39:24.020
Although they, he has decided, uh, on the side of religious freedom a couple of times
01:39:31.900
So he, so it'll be interesting to see which one wins up with him.
01:39:38.120
If the Supreme court says, how far can they take this now?
01:39:41.680
It means from what I understand it, the legal world is saying that you will have to, uh,
01:39:52.320
No, but you cannot say you do not want to participate in that because I thought it was
01:39:56.920
I thought we all had to be gay after this all the time.
01:40:00.380
I thought it was just guys are probably the wrong people to ask.
01:40:04.540
Uh, no, but I mean, if, if you're saying now that this is an art form and it is, and
01:40:10.960
I'm spending my time and I will make you anything, I just cannot make you something because of
01:40:20.100
I can't put my hard earned time and artwork towards your wedding.
01:40:34.640
You, you have no right to your religious freedom as practiced outside of the church.
01:40:46.540
You worship any way you want in your church, worship any way you want.
01:40:49.900
But once you're outside, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can worship in your house.
01:40:58.300
But once you're outside, then that's different.
01:41:04.240
If I can't apply what I believe, I mean, this is the problem with, honestly, this is
01:41:20.020
They're not playing some, you know, oh, we're also, you know, pious.
01:41:24.940
And then at night they're, you know, whipping out their LED screens and watching movies.
01:41:34.480
And so nobody, you know, I don't believe you actually believe that stuff.
01:41:51.420
Well, I mean, it's a, it's a, you'd think for sure you'd believe that the baker actually
01:42:00.800
And he's turning down money to make this stance.
01:42:05.040
And especially when he'll give them, he'll make them anything else.
01:42:08.620
You know, it's not like he's denying them service because they're gay.
01:42:11.860
It's just that he doesn't want to participate in that particular ceremony.
01:42:20.980
And I don't want to live in a world where everybody is exactly the same.
01:42:31.180
And as long as your pushback is not evil, if this guy was like, you get them gays out
01:42:39.860
Well, you're just, you're just a bigoted guy, but if you say you're welcome here anytime
01:42:46.320
I am, I, I, your friend, I, you know, I love you and you can have anything.
01:42:57.080
That's when we all need to say, okay, you know, if I said, Hey, I want you to come and
01:43:03.180
participate in, you know, this particular thing.
01:43:07.080
And for instance, I asked a rabbi to come speak at our church.
01:43:16.000
Why rabbis are not allowed to walk into churches.
01:43:27.060
Oh, it just means that's his religious belief that we as a rabbi are not supposed to go into
01:43:45.880
What I want to live in a world where I could force the rabbi.
01:43:52.140
You won't be able to practice any of your religious stuff unless you come right now and speak at
01:44:05.580
I don't want to live in a world that is forcing him to go and break his religious belief unless
01:44:11.840
he's outside all the time going, you know, these Christians all need to be rounded up.
01:44:21.940
And no matter what it is, Penn Jillette, I don't agree with his belief in religion.
01:44:40.280
If he said, if I said, hey, I wanted you to come to, you know, my wedding.
01:44:45.300
But let's just say he was one of these hardcore atheists is like, I'm not going to church.
01:44:58.160
It's just he doesn't want to go to a church because he doesn't believe in God.
01:45:00.960
Okay, yeah, well, I mean the question a lot of people have asked is would would a Jewish
01:45:11.900
Are we are we getting to that point where you're going to be forced into doing all of
01:45:15.900
But see what they'll say to you what they'll say to you is, oh, come on.
01:45:22.360
Well, no, but you're setting the precedent that it has to happen.
01:45:27.380
Yeah, if it's if it's if it's not because they they're.
01:45:30.960
Their defense is that he that a baker that supported same-sex marriage could refuse to
01:45:44.740
That's not a case of sexual discrimination, though.
01:45:47.300
That's not a case of that's just a political statement case like the Nazi, the Jewish Nazi
01:45:53.940
So Corey Ten Boom, you know, she is she she actually to save Jews.
01:46:00.200
She actually went to what is it Ravensbrook and she and her sister, her sister died in
01:46:07.000
Ravensbrook and she went with the Jews to to the concentration camps.
01:46:16.420
She gets out and she goes on a tour of saying love and forgiveness.
01:46:24.400
We have to love the people that we think we despise that hated us.
01:46:32.060
So she goes into a church in Munich and she said she felt her real first big test.
01:46:37.080
She goes into this church in Munich and she starts to give her speech on love and she
01:46:42.840
looks down and she sees the guy that was in charge of the shower room when her and her
01:46:51.280
He was the he was the main guard and was in charge of all of the mocking and all of the
01:46:59.400
All of the things that the guards were doing in the shower rooms.
01:47:01.960
He was the guy in charge and she was preaching love.
01:47:04.460
And he comes up to her afterwards and he said, I am glad to know that there's forgiveness
01:47:15.040
And he puts his hand out and she said, I couldn't shake his hand.
01:47:21.700
And she said, I immediately closed my eyes and started prayer.
01:47:24.620
Lord, help me here because I have no love for this man.
01:47:31.220
She said she opens her eyes and he's standing there and she's like, I could.
01:47:42.400
Lord, help me here because I can't find the love for him.
01:47:49.640
She said, when I grasped his hand, she said, that is when I just felt the power, God's power
01:48:00.400
She said, but I had to start moving my hand first.
01:48:04.240
I have no idea why I'm telling you this story now, but I know it ties in to what we were
01:48:20.480
So I think the point, I think the point is, is that this is who we're supposed to be.
01:48:29.060
We're supposed to be able to, no matter what, we need each other.
01:48:34.160
We got to love each other, but we don't have to force it down each other's throat.
01:48:54.640
If you don't agree to disagree, then you have to round people up.
01:48:59.620
We got to love each other and recognize that we have to coexist.
01:49:12.520
Okay, well, so we're looking forward to a really great court case tomorrow with a bullet
01:49:24.180
Also, a very upbeat Pat Gray Unleashed is certainly around the corner.
01:49:35.700
Entertaining version of what we just talked about.
01:49:40.020
No Corey Ten Boom 12-minute dissertation on handshaking.
01:49:52.120
If a retail bakery will offer a white, three-tiered cake to one customer, it has no constitutional
01:49:58.480
right to refuse to sell the same cake to the next customer because he happens to be African
01:50:06.200
That's their, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission is making that argument, essentially saying
01:50:12.320
You can't, you can't refuse it to one and not the other.
01:50:14.860
Now, I think the art line is important there because if you are decorating with specific
01:50:22.080
So here's the, here's the point I just remembered.
01:50:25.640
Would Corey Ten Boom, should she be required to make a wedding cake for that man's wedding?
01:50:33.300
Should she be forced to participate in that man's wedding?
01:50:39.520
Should she, as a Christian, reach the hand of fellowship and say, I forgive you?
01:50:45.260
But should she be forced, especially when the Germans were in charge?
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